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On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, michael mccusty wrote:

> wow, i just saw the squarepusher video for "come on my selecta" and must
> say i have a newfound respect for the guy.  i mean, when the first record
> came out i liked it, then i gradually started to hate shit like that.
> experimentalism, solely for its own sake, just isn't my thing anymore i
> guess.  BUT i now realize that a well produced video can help fully realize
> the original dream of a squarepusher tune.  if he put out feature length
> movies and just used his music as a score...wow.

it's weird..
a lot of people i know who are like, "ravers" or partiekids or whatever
don't like squarepusher.. Personally, i love his shit.  I have a couple of
his albums.. i think he's a genius.  Except for his new album, which i
heard is like experimental funk stuff.. and not jungle/hardcore/whatever
(cut up beats with like 64th notes and shit).  But, yeah..

> i still can't just sit and listen to stuff like that tho.

i think everyone should atleast listen to one of his albums.. the way he
combines fast cut up beats and other jungle elements with his funky
electric slap bass and jazz music is amazing.  Anyway, yeah, i like him a
lot, even if you have to be in a certain mood to listen to his shit.
peace&love,
-charles-


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>In a message dated 1/31/99 11:33:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>fmsci@email.msn.com writes:
>
>>  There are three markets I can think of for electronic music, the first
one
>>  (what I like to call the john cage, wendy carlos market)
>>  is now nearly dead...

>i think you forgot a few styles of electronic music...

Did I?

>there is still noise...
>i have a few records of this... that are new... just sounds of people
walking
>around a room,

That would be catagory #1... sounds like alvin lucier/ vares
type stuff.. classic electronics really....

>also, their is style ebm... this is electronic... and people do dance and
buy
>and spin this...


Humm.. give me an example of what this sounds like/ who makes this
(well known people who make this...)...

>and i dare say you can even classify industrial into this...

humm... not the full market, though.. industrial with a heavy
techno slant would be group 2...

>and what about new age and ambient? my dad has lots of this stuff... and i
>must say i find myself listening to some B12 or Jean Michel Jarre everyonce
>and a while...


Ok.. I did omit this, but that is because I'm not one to enclose Tangerine
Dream esk music in any classification of my reality
.. I could place modern attempts at this into group 3, IDM...
but I will amit to not thinking much about these cats
(some could also  fall into group 1)...

>you could even say hip hop was electronic... lots of sampled instruments
going
>there... altho "real" instruments are creeping in more and more... instead
of
>being sampled i mean


Hip hop without vocals would be group 2, otherwise it doesn't count
(different market)..

>don't forget, techno and raves are just a small cog in this world of
>electronic music...


Ok..

>>  The second  (what I like to call electronica to piss people off who
>>  don't know me any better) is HUGE.. but based on a dj market,
>>  something I don't see changing anytime soon (it is becoming MORE
>>  and more popular.. and that means more profitable, and less
>>  experimental.. like the movie industry)...
[*KLIP*]

>actually, i don't see many people spinning "electronica".... i mean...
maybe
>it is just me, but i really can't call Orb, Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, and
>the like dj music... commercially fueled techno is electronica...

You missed my point.
What I ment by electronica was everything from juan atkins early
cybotron stuff to cari lekebusch... hence my comment about
pissing people off.. ;)... basically TEKKNO as we know it...
landstrumm, sasha, paul johnson, carl craig, plastikman, vogel,
beyer, biochip C... ect


>i don't really think the IDM genre is all that revolutionary... to be quite
>honest, i don't see a whole lot of difference it... seems very stale in
>sounds...

My point exactly about the bar being high... the only cutting edge
IDM artist I  know and would call such are :
autechre, gescom, mu-ziq, areovein,
aphex (and all his pseudonyms), two lone swordsmen, speedy j..
I think this is it for who I know..
the other imitate the sounds of the people
I mentioned...

>i mean, yeah, Speedy J did
>some stuff that is inmistakable... and so has Olivier Moreau... but... i
>wouldn't say this style has balls... it stays in the safe little walls of
>its genre that it has created just like the other styles...

maybe now, but to go from ginger (old plus8 for those not in the
know) to public energy #1 took allot of balls. think about it, this
kid doesn't have a day job.. he makes his LIVING off of paychecks
for the work he puts out... paychecks that mainly come when people
buy his shit... he doesn't want a day job... he is quite content
making music his life.. does he risk it all by radically changing styles
, or does he play it safe, because he knows people like what he is
doing and will probably buy allot more... He risked it.. that is what
I ment by balls...

keep in mind (in regard to your statement about safety in the walls
of the genere, like other generes) the genere these people find
safe are ones they created themselves (idm is only a loose umbrella
term).. opposed to people who feel safe in generes created for them
by some other innovator.. it really isn't a genere if it encompasses
one person anyways...

>>  I don't think 140 is the high mark for electronic music...
>>  any gabber heads wanna field this one ;)...
>
>well, how many events do you go to where hardcore is represented? the
fastest
>at a party would be jungle...

Not really.. jungle is normally 200 tops.. (written around 100, double
timed).. but keep in mind that swedish techno normally
slams at about 145-160 (I mean beyer-ish minimal dj trax..)
I hear a hell of allot O that these days... ;)...

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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>hey!


HEY!!!...

>trying to get me to post my list of kiddie porn links to a public list is
>called ENTRAPMENT, pal.  and i won't stand for it.


ok..
Standing is not the position I find you most comfortable in anyways.

>
>also, i believe it's "pedophiles", not "petaphiles".  and i think foot
>fetishists are known as "pediophiles" (a slight one letter difference).

Once again, this shows how much I know about the subject.. a
thousand pardons.. I am but a fool on this tree bud we call life,
I am here to learn... teach onto me.. ;)... Ya, I could try and save
my butt now by pretending to have ment I was looking for
info on people who love those who work at animal rights
organizations like petA... or people with fetishes for certain
types of bread.. but I'll amit to my grand folly...
just don't hold it to much against me... ;)..

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o






From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 01 11:50:15 1999
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Not to perpetuate another flamewar or anything, but why do you seem (and I
say seem so as to not take your message out of context) to assume that
everyone at a midwest party wants to hear house all night.

My 2 cents,

Peace and love,

Mike aka Hex
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<snip>
>don't try to sell the idea of a trainwreck to people who want to listen to
>house all night...
<snip>




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 01 11:50:20 1999
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Couldn't have said it better myself.  Well, maybe if I put a little thought
into it I could have, but who has time when one is spending too much time
rolling on the floor laughing at some of the posts that make their way to
this list.  Alas, it is a public list, so you can say whatever you want
(almost) and get away with it.
Peace!

Mike aka Hex

<snip>
>.. either way, how one "comes off" has little
>to do with how they really are and more to do with what you
>read into them (i.e. what *you* put into them).. hence the beauty of
>being a subjective life form living in a multi-cultural society
>(but what society isn't?)...
>
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On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, michael mccusty wrote:

> wow, i just saw the squarepusher video for "come on my selecta" and must
> say i have a newfound respect for the guy.  i mean, when the first record

Im curious, where did you see the video?  It wasnt on MTV was it?  I saw
it on Warps web site but even at the high RA speed its quality was
lacking.


> came out i liked it, then i gradually started to hate shit like that.
> experimentalism, solely for its own sake, just isn't my thing anymore i
> guess.  BUT i now realize that a well produced video can help fully realize
> the original dream of a squarepusher tune.  if he put out feature length
> movies and just used his music as a score...wow.
> 

I think something that helped the video was that it was directed by Chris
Cunningham (if memory serves) who is a genius in his own right.  He also
did Aphex Twin's Come to Daddy video.  

I cant wait until he finishes the Neuromancer movie...


> i still can't just sit and listen to stuff like that tho.
> 

try hopping around.  Tends to cheer me up and entertain me during the
boring parts of a song.

Adam


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> wow, i just saw the squarepusher video for "come on my selecta" and must
> say i have a newfound respect for the guy.  i mean, when the first record
> came out i liked it, then i gradually started to hate shit like that.
> experimentalism, solely for its own sake, just isn't my thing anymore i
> guess.  BUT i now realize that a well produced video can help fully realize
> the original dream of a squarepusher tune.  if he put out feature length
> movies and just used his music as a score...wow.

"come on my selector" is an excellent tune...    the nicest one off the
Big Loada single...   the guy who produced the video--Chris
Cunningham---is just as crazy as tom jenkinson (at least thats the "feel"
from the interviews i've read ...check out the jockey slut w/ UNKLE on the
cover...it has a pretty in depth interview w/ tom jenkinson, richard
james, and chris cunningham)....

in my opinion...each squarepusher tune...at least a large majority of
them...  are stories that are being told...   his newest album  "Music Is
Rotted One Note" is pretty experimental...   he incorporates more of a
"jazzy" feel to it....  

> i still can't just sit and listen to stuff like that tho.

*ack*...thats what its best for

if you like squarepusher-esque music...check out Clifford Gilberto Rhythm
Combination on Ninja Tune...they have a full length and an EP out... good
shit...     really jazzy...   for more chaotic beats ...pick up the Dummy
Run: Ice Cream Headache CD.....  *grin*

-mikeD
Rural.AmeriKa
217.353.5111

np:Squarepusher:Chaos.A.D. rmx. 

*doh* just realizes why frat crowd responded so well to "come on my
selector" on sat....its on mtv  *ack!*!*!



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In a message dated 1/31/99 10:56:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Husqvarnic@aol.com writes:

<< i don't think so... i feel dj friendly tracks are the biggest obsticle...
 everyone writes shit so even johny q moron can mix it...  tempo changes and
 quirky time signatures would i think improve it... it would definatly cut
down
 the field i feel... to see who can be good dealing with tracks that go all
 over the place...
 
 i mean... how often can you listen to music between 120 and 140 bpms and not
 get bored...
 
 i think it is time someone raised the bar...  >>

Now I disagree with this one a little bit.  If you are taking some straight
tracks but rolling doubles of every track and beat juggling, etc. or pulling 3
or 4 records out of your crate at a time so you are out of the mix less than
you are in the mix then it raises the bar a bit more than trying to mix a
track which changes tempo, that really says nothing, thats just playing a
weird track.  The bar needs to be raised with dj abilities more so than with
tracks....people just need to learn to do more with whats out there.

Peace, dd
http://www.umich.edu/~dshayman (new real audio soon, i promise!)

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Not really the midwest, actually Toronto; but enough of you travel up there
to make this worth mentioning:


    Ritual 7:
    Devotion
    Saturday, February 13 '99

    Valentine's Masquerade

        Eric Downer
        Jason Palma : Movement
        Klave y Kongo (live) :: 7-piece Afro-Cuban Sun Troupe
        Mark Farina : Mushroom Jazz :: extended 3hr+ Valentine's set
        The Groove Institute : Solid Garage, Soul Purpose
        Elad'n :: Drums

    No, you don't HAVE to dress up, but there's...
    Magnificent Prizes for the artistically Devoted
    The fiercest fashion will receive:

                       $100 Queen Diva
                        $75 Wild Style
              $50 Most Marvellous Mask
            (Second Prizes: Champagne)

    Tix: $19 adv. (more @ door), available at:
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    Bewitching Hour: 10pm
    19+; limited capacity

    http://www.techno.ca/ritual
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A>Yep.. I have yet to notice that in the flame war trends, but i could
>see it.. I'm in ohio, so is prugh Q and mike mckrusty
>(sorry, had to write it ;).. we seem to have a displaced mentality,
>the exclusions to your model.. more drop bass than PLUR-drool
>midwest... but if one were to overlook assholes like ourselves,

I disagree... I've seen many nauseatingly plurry posts originate from Mn Wi
areas (and from OH MI).  I've also seen excessively crude/cynical posts
originating from both areas..  I havnt noticed any correlation between
geographics and flamewars IMO.


tad



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Man, this is so unfortunately true.  My best friend is a chic dj and pretty
popular to boot.  However, I can remember many times when after some of her worst
sets she had loads of people coming up to her after her set screeming "You're so
awesome!!" , etc...  Of course, props to her 'cuz that only pissed her off.

Mage

> Girl djs do get booked just because they are girls or because they are hot!!!!
> I think its totally lame!!!!! When I had just been spinning for 2
> months......somehow alot of people found out I was spinning, and I swear.....I
> got offers to play at parties like every weekend.......when I couldn't even
> match a beat, and people had never even heard me spin before.I am not trying
> to say i am the hottest girlie here, but I think its just cause i was a girl.
> Sometimes being a girl sux because people don't judge you on your skills. Like
> what if I was 150 lbs and like 5'2 with no hair........would I get booked???
> hehehe.......
> But then again I think........look at djs like Dieselboy.....gawd damn!!! That
> boy has skills and is um um gooooood lookin!! But then I think of other djs
> who are equally as talented and not so attractive. I don't judge their music
> any differently. Do you boys judge female djs differently if they are not good
> looking?
> Lisa*




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Larry Heard doesn't spin in Memphis.  He recently played a set at a very
small, low-key party, but he played from 10-12 and totally sucked.  His bpm's
couldn't have risen above 110-115 except for maybe a minute or two here and
there, and worst of all he was barely mixing!!!  I mean, literally, track is
ending -- whoa, what's that?  A completely different track just appeared out
of nowhere!!!  And some of this shit wasn't even danceable.  Like trailer
music for some 70s blacksploitation drama.  I'm not totally dissing him as a
dj, cuz I've heard (no pun intended) that he's awesome.  So, maybe he just
didn't have his heart in it.  Oh yeah, but otherwise, no, he doesn't spin
anywhere regularly here in Memphis.

Mage

> Does anyone know where he spins in Memphis? . . . Is he a resident
> anywhere?  I just got back from checking out the southern scene, and
> didn't get to Memphis, but nobody in Georgia, Florida, or Chattanooga, TN
> seemed to know anything.
>
> Kickin'it Deep South Style,
> Andrea




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Actually I always thought that Wisconsinites, Ohioans and Michiganians
were never at odds... Especially since the scene in Michigan was so
plastikman/plus8 based and Dropbass is such a backer of richie hawtin and
crew... I always found that Wisconsonites were more likely to drive to
michigan to go see plastikman then most Ohioians...

Jenni

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 Husqvarnic@aol.com wrote:

> hey... just wondering if any one has noticed this over the years... i always
> remember little stints and flames wars between the residents of this states
> since i got on this list... i find it kinda odd... also, going to parties in
> both these regions on my travels i find it odd too... really different... i
> think it kinda goes back to the origins... and basically i feel it comes down
> to Drop Bass Network vs Detroit... since these have been the two big big
> players in techno in the midwest... and it kinda seems that on the whole...
> you see different attitudes with these folks too... 
> 
> anyone else kinda get a sense of what i am talking about?
> 


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> okay, i know that i'm from washington DC and i probably expect a little too
> much from a scene that is trying to get off it's feet, but this time i must
> give mad azz props to the Omaha, NE crew... last weekend (Jan 23) to be exact,
> these kidz threw a dope azz part-E... in fact, it reminded a little of my
> scene back home... (ah, to be in DC again)... oh well, i'm trying the scene
----
pple in dc still spell stuff with big e??
how funk-e and 92-ish! :P

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> I spent all of today making a crappy Non-HTML page, well im ashamed of it and
----
what the heck is a non-html page?
kinda like open source microsoft products?
or noodle soup without the noodle?
or california cheese burger but hold the lettuce and tomatoes?
or a rave without the music? or mw-ravers that don't talk shit?

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   The Meaning Of Life
   A Goodfellaz Gathering
   Nashville, Tennessee
   March 6th, 1999 A.D.
   25$ at the door, $20 with a pre-party ticket stub
   Marathon Village  1305 Clinton Avenue
   
   Terrance Parker - Intangible Records, Detroit
   Scott Henry - Fever Buzz, Baltimore
   Space Girl - EDM Records, Russia, NYC
   Swamp - '97-'98 DMC Champ - L.A.
   Shortkutt - Invisible Skratch Piklz - San Fran
   DJ Lars - MTV's RealWorld, Berlin, NYC
   Samm-e, Roll-x, Ulysis - 4 turntable tag team, Atlanta
   Trevor Lamont - Soul Society/God's House, KY
   6 Tuntable Exibition - Flagrant, Blue and Ginsu on 6 Tuntables!!!!!!!
   Dorian - C.E.O. Goodfellaz Midwest
   Ashley Powers - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
   Lovebomb - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
   Taeo - St. Louis
   Soundcat - C.A.A., Cincy
   Egon - 91.1 WRVU Nashville
   Blue and Ginsu - Hip Hop Freaky Nikky
   Jadin - Nashville
   Quaid - P.M. Crew, Nashville
   Flagrant - Goodfellaz, Nashville
   Spoon - Lil' Diva, Nashville
   Flex - Sky Baby, NYC
   Matthew (aka DJ Bam Bam) - U.M.A., Goodfellaz, Lil Diva, Nashville
  
   Info-lines: 615-817-6869 and 615-271-9468
  Friday March 5th Pre-Party for The Meaning Of Life
  A Goodfellaz Gathering
  
  Terry Mullen - Catalyst, Chicago
  Cyberjive - Dustraxx, New Orleans House Project
  X-ian - C.B.S., Cincy
  Brad Robinson - San Fran
  Jamin - NYC
  MKII And Dorian - Special ambient jungle tag team
  Roger & Jeremy - Atlanta
  
  Call info-line for pre-party location  
  Attendance to the Pre-Party will give you a discount at the main event!!

  After Party to be thrown by Last Minute Productions 4:19
  
  Vendors aer all welcome but you MUST call the info line and let us know at
least 2      days before the main event
   
   This will be a VERY special event
   There will be 4 MAIN ROOMS at this event
   Attendance to the pre-party will give you a discount at the main event
   
  Directions: Get on I-40 heading to downtown Nashville.
                   Get off at Church/Charlotte.
                   Go East on Charlotte Ave.
                   Then turn left on 11th Avenue
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Please get in touch with me...
Thanks,
Jason Andreas

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Just wanted to let everyone know that there IS tons of electronic music that
is NOT designed for the dancefloor AND it can is mixed/blended. I suggest
MixMaster Morris' The Morning After CD. 

- Chad Sommer

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	dj fishead [SMTP:fishead@mb.sympatico.ca]
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	Subject:	Re: [mw] why beatmatching is evil

	> i think beatmatching is one of the biggest obstacles this music
faces
	> right now.  in my time, i've heard hundreds of DJ sets and gotten
dozens
	> of mixtapes, and almost all of them have been perfectly
beatmatched.  but
	> at the same time, almost all of them have been PERFECTLY BORING.
rarely
	> do i hear a DJ take a chance with a beat, and allow things to
crash
	> artfully as they may (this is different from "trainwrecking," mind
you!).

	I think a major obstacle is the format... the entire culture has its
roots in
	dancing, and the danceability of the music is something that
restricts the
	creative (non-linear) side of things... it's difficult to find any
simple
	solution to this predicament, but I think it's important to learn
that dancing
	isn't the only means of enjoying music... at the same time... what
are the
	other valid means of enjoying something??

	> most DJs, in fact virtually all of them, will tell you without
flinching
	> that beatmatching is the most important skill to have as a DJ in
the
	> current rave scene.

	actually, I'd go with timing for that one... and not just behind the
decks,
	but in general... being in the right place at the right time,
hooking up with
	the right people... there's a lot of success stories out there that
have
	little to do with talent...

	> so if you're a DJ, and you have suspected that your own mixing has
become
	> a slave to beatmatching, then allow yourself to experiment!

	oh fuck YES!!  Seriously... djs should go out and listen to as many
different
	styles as they possibly can... learn what you like and build your
own style
	based on things that have influenced you, or sounds that you've made
and
	liked... precision as a style has been done... let's move on and
fuck shit up.



	--
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> 
> Yes, but electronic musicians are the slaves of the market, not the
> otherway around.. The market is generated by records sold, the
> people who generally buy these records (in america) are DJs..
> For a electronic musician to be successful in THIS market, you
> need to make your stuff palatable for djs to spin.. Not many dj
> wanna look like idiots on the decks, so they stay FAR away from
> things this "intelligent"... Don't you think some musicians out their
> have toyed with these ideas? Time signature changes are not that
> novel of a concept.. The fact is, because of these oddities,
> they don't get signed to labels..
> and if they do, they don't get records sold primarily because the
> market is squarely against this kind of experimentation ...

 If all of this holds to be true, where would you fit DJ Shadow in all of
this? He does alot of experamentation and still has good commercial sales. 
<bdw>


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> rarely do i hear a DJ take a chance with a beat, and allow things to
> crash artfully as they may (this is different from "trainwrecking,"
> mind you!). 

I think the most important thing a DJ can do in a rave type environment is
establish a level of TRUST between the crowd and the dj.  When I go to a
party and hear some dj's entire set mixed without beatmatching a single
track, I will not even feel slightly bad in saying that dj needs some
practice.  BUT, if there's a dj who shows that they do have the skills,
THEN they go out and do some experimenting, I can completely appreciate
that, as the dj has extablished a level of trust, saying "yes, I can do
what you want.  But you really don't want that.  You want **THIS**".  It
sounds better than saying "er... yeah.. that thing you want is hard... how
about this instead?".

Or maybe I'm just trying to make up for my sloppy mixtapes with this
message ;)

peasch, and see the headz @ hulla!
-pete
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Well, its time to get off my duff and post up a review of this CD that hit
me a lil while ago (thanx dan!).

Now for first impressions, this CD grabs me visually.  Simple yet 'artsy'
packaging, saying "skip the package, listen to the CD!"  :)

So I pop 'er in the cd player, and since I haven't heard dan or brian spin
since my first gig (2/97), I was ready for anything.  

Let me just say this.. fuckin wikked!  Techno/trance with just enough
melody.  Driving and dark at times, it also caries along enough of an
occational hihat ride to keep the energy up.  The mixing is pretty damn
tight, and the mixes are on the long side (a plus in my book).  Definitely
a CD I'll keep in my active cd bin for a while!  The only qualm I have
with the cd is an abundant lack of /tracklisting/.. oh well.

In any case, check this CD out if you're interested in well mixed techno
trance... throw this on and groove for an hour in your bedroom or
something ;)  Contact Dan or Brian at info@integratedrecordings.com

wonk,
-pete
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 01 18:26:32 1999
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On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Pete Mannix wrote:

> I think the most important thing a DJ can do in a rave type environment is
> establish a level of TRUST between the crowd and the dj.  When I go to a
> party and hear some dj's entire set mixed without beatmatching a single
> track, I will not even feel slightly bad in saying that dj needs some
> practice.  BUT, if there's a dj who shows that they do have the skills,
> THEN they go out and do some experimenting, I can completely appreciate
> that, as the dj has extablished a level of trust, saying "yes, I can do
> what you want.  But you really don't want that.  You want **THIS**".  It
> sounds better than saying "er... yeah.. that thing you want is hard... how
> about this instead?".
> 
> Or maybe I'm just trying to make up for my sloppy mixtapes with this
> message ;)
> 

i think this is a really good take on this thread.  because the beatmatch
vs. trainwreck arguement is so iffy.  

the term trainwreck i think only applies if one is trying to match beats,
and fails.  but i've heard some dj's offset the beats to produce a great
effect, the spead up and slow down records to vary how much the beats were
offset without disrupting the flow at all.

trust i think is an important part of anything.  and i never really
thought about it, but the dj's who've really taken me somewhere have been
one's who i've been able to trust.  the one's who've been somewhere
already and are prepared to show others the way...and prove that it's
safe.

yeah... wow... :)  wise dj's rock the hardest.

peace,
Chad

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give me some food.


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Hi Everybod-E :) 

I must say I had a lot of fun this last weekend.  Annex was pretty cool for
the most part.  My only complaint was that there were 2 many people in there,
it should have been held at a larger venue...and a lot of people I met didn't
seem too friendly.

I liked the set up, and I liked the laser that projected the DJs names when
they were playing.  That was cool.

The DJs were what made my night...  I got in at like 11 when ACID MAN from
Chicago was playing and I never heard him before but I thought he was really
good!  He plays house, and plays it very good.  Everyone I talked to thought
he was really dope.   If you see this guy on a flyer definitely check him out!
After him at 12, MATT DRUID came on and was the BOMB as usual... a lot of
people were into it and screaming and all.
At 1, T-1000 came one and the place nearly exploded!  T-1000 was really into
his set, and did a lot of tricks, really getting everyone really hyped.  This
guy banged the Detroit techno like a mad man.  Lots of cheering from everyone.
After that SKYWALKER was up, and I was so tired from so much dancing, I had to
leave the dancefloor for a while.  The stuff he was playing though was really
cool, I liked it.

I don't even know who was on after that... My friend who drove me had to leave
so we didn't stick around that much longer after Skywalker :*(
Besides the overcrowding, it was a good party,  I hope it helps build the indy
rave scene up.

Hugz and Kisses,
Lisa

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Just wanted to remind all of you who want to attend Hullabaloo 9
to get presale tickets-- I just talked to some friends of mine
from TO and they all say it's expected to sell out reasonably soon.

You can get ticket info at www.hullabaloo-raves.com.  Just
posting this to make sure that none of you who are going get
shut out of the party-- or perhaps just as bad get stuck in the
"other" line.  (I've heard some very bad stories about big TO
parties and the "other" line.)



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my whole take on this is that not beatmatching does not necessarily mean that
you are an avante guarde turntablist...more often that not it just means that
you screwed up the mix on accident...some djs however do trainwreck on
purpose...why they think that sounds good on what would normally be a well
mixed set i do not know...

now when it comes to something like an industrial noise set or something that
is not considered your everyday average run of the mill rave friendly dj set
then MAYBE trainwrecking is ok...it all depends on the dj and how it sounds
with the rest of the set....

i just dont think that people should just say that trainwrecking is
ok..because it depends from case to case....

just my humble opinion...
lauryN*

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>From personal experience, i've found it relatively easy to get gigs as a 
female dj, but EXTREMELY hard to earn RESPECT as a dj.



It seems that breasts act as "respect repellant". heh. 



It's just one of those things that as a female,  I have to get over and 
deal with. I'm not complaining though, because it just makes any real 
success sweeter. :)



  leigh

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PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY!

Gayle San is one of the BEST funky techno DJs in the world. She was (maybe
still is) a resident DJ at Sven Vath's club, Omen in Germany. She's spun
Tribal Gathering and played all over the world and is totally respected AS A
DJ. 

Now - she is ALSO very pleasant on the eyes AND quite "busty" (to use a
polite adjective that even my grandmother could say). I don't think female
DJs need to work any harder in gaining respect than any other DJs. You have
to prove it on the decks. The breasts might get you on the tables easier
than a guy, but once you're there, the true critics will pay attention to
the tunes. They'll just look at your breasts afterwards when they tell you
how good or bad they thought you were.

- Chad Sommer 

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	From personal experience, i've found it relatively easy to get gigs
as a 
	female dj, but EXTREMELY hard to earn RESPECT as a dj.



	It seems that breasts act as "respect repellant". heh. 



	It's just one of those things that as a female,  I have to get over
and 
	deal with. I'm not complaining though, because it just makes any
real 
	success sweeter. :)



	  leigh

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> presented by the J.V.C.  B.I.A. and Naughty North
>                    an all Jungle Party!! =D    YaY!!!
> 
> 
>                                BASS BALLERS  
> w/ special guest from London- jungle    MC Skibadee
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heh...just got this mail 2 days after the event.
apparently, in keeping with the mpls tradition, the party got shut down.
was skibadee there, even??

also, anyone out there using mail> as a reader?? (shut up, chris) i
have been getting some weird headers the last 30 minutes or so...the
received message id part was in multiples for some reasons. i was
just wondering if it's hyperreal or the new alpha the school upgraded
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On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, MikeD wrote:

> 
> "come on my selector" is an excellent tune...    the nicest one off the
> Big Loada single...   the guy who produced the video--Chris.....

i hafta disagree on this one.. Journey to Reedham (or however it's
spelled) is like, my favorite song of any kind of music.. i think it's the
best song ever.  hehe, yeah.  it's good.
that whole cd is good too.. but that track is just amazing.  ok, you get
the point.. blah blah.


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journey to reedham is one of the most emotional songs i know of, never
fails to make me cry. then again most of tom jenkinson's stuff is highly
charged. he's got my vote (for what i don't know...)

=jes

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, charles tillinghast wrote:
> 
> i hafta disagree on this one.. Journey to Reedham (or however it's
> spelled) is like, my favorite song of any kind of music.. i think it's the
> best song ever.  hehe, yeah.  it's good.
> that whole cd is good too.. but that track is just amazing.  ok, you get
> the point.. blah blah.
> 


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I ment to respond to this lastnight when posted, but was
to damn tired...

>what would you guys advise to a dj who is up and coming in a scene where
you
>have to just do regular old beatmatching to get a gig?

How do ya know you need to do standard beatmatching, is this a
stated thing, or are you assuming because nobody has the balls
(or ovaries) to get freaky on the mix?

SHOUT OUT TO EVERYBODY IN THIS DISCUSSION--->

It seems to me y'all have been missing ed's point about dj kultcha
in amerikkka... It isn't trainwrecking he was talking about, or
even letting the beat double up in time.. he was talking
about BEING EXPERIMENTAL in general... backspin a record
in time with the one being played, cut up double copies half a
measure off from each other .. spin weird time signatures... whatever..

just my $.87 cents..

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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Sorry, Off topic question...

>and hell,
>our bass player was STILL learning to play the bass!!


When does anybody *stop* learning an instrument? isn't it a life
endeavor??

just curious,

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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What the fuck happened to John Kelley!!!! FUNKY DESERT BREAKS!!!  He was the
only reason I was going.  Is this the same party.
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Subject: [mw] Fwd: The Meaning Of Life---- Nashville, March 6


>
>


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FUCK THE PLIGHT OF FEMALE DJS!!!!!

WHAT WE REALLY NEED ARE MORE FEMALE TRACK
PRODUCERS!!!

*cough*.. ok.. I'm better now... I'm sorry, I should have been
in this thread ta begin with.  This is an issue I hold close to
my heart.. but now that it is 10,000,000 messages strong,
I'll just take a moment of your time and soapbox my ideas for
second or two...  One of my most favorite djs (both for skills
and personality) in the midwest is  Lisa smith from indi (or texas..
of whatever).. AKA DJ SHIVA... I grew up with two older sisters
that had me shouting the name of Gloria Steinum (well, familiarity
isn't a prereq for correct spelling ;) before I could masturbate..
but the fact remains that THIS IS A SEXIST CULTURE...
and patriarchal at that (surprise! surprise!!!)... so, make a move
on this underground kultcha before it starts to mimic what it was
created to get away from.. don't sit on your asses and bitch,
DO SOMETHING... BE PROACTIVE..

more ta say.. but I doubt y'all wanna hear my bloated ass whine any
more...

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o






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> 
> journey to reedham is one of the most emotional songs i know of, never
> fails to make me cry. then again most of tom jenkinson's stuff is highly
> charged. he's got my vote (for what i don't know...)
> 
> =jes

word.  i've gotten up on kraked out sundays, and put on that song..
reeeally loud.  it always makes me feel good.. but it also gives me a
weird mix of emotions.. i can't really explain it.  It's a beautiful song.
i think everyone should go out and buy "Big Loada" by squarepusher.. it's
the shit.
-charles-


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NO NO NO...that party with john kelley is this weekend in nashville FEBRUARY
6th...chill....

peeeeSh lauryn*

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i am not missing the point.....
the scene here seems to be very anal when it comes to mixing..virtually no
dj's here do any experimentation, and the ones that do don't get booked..
what would you advise to a person who wants to play out in this kind of scene
but who also wants to experiment?  would you say to go for traditional
mixing, build a rep that way, then get experimental with the mixes?  or would
you say to do experimental mixing (with traditional style here and there)?
then again i don't really think that i could get booked here cuz i don't play
what everyone else is playing and refuse to do so..

[.v/jek.] wrote:

> I ment to respond to this lastnight when posted, but was
> to damn tired...
>
> >what would you guys advise to a dj who is up and coming in a scene where
> you
> >have to just do regular old beatmatching to get a gig?
>
> How do ya know you need to do standard beatmatching, is this a
> stated thing, or are you assuming because nobody has the balls
> (or ovaries) to get freaky on the mix?
>
> SHOUT OUT TO EVERYBODY IN THIS DISCUSSION--->
>
> It seems to me y'all have been missing ed's point about dj kultcha
> in amerikkka... It isn't trainwrecking he was talking about, or
> even letting the beat double up in time.. he was talking
> about BEING EXPERIMENTAL in general... backspin a record
> in time with the one being played, cut up double copies half a
> measure off from each other .. spin weird time signatures... whatever..
>
> just my $.87 cents..
>
> o0o[qiB.]o0o




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In a message dated 2/1/99 2:48:54 PM Central Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

<< WHAT WE REALLY NEED ARE MORE FEMALE TRACK
 PRODUCERS!!!
  >>


Someone told me that with my musical backround I should give that a shot.  (As
well as learn to spin)
What goes into that?

Jen

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In a message dated 2/1/99 2:37:18 PM Central Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

<< When does anybody *stop* learning an instrument? isn't it a life
 endeavor??
  >>

What I was SAYing is that she had just picked it up and started learning when
Keek and I said "we need a girl bass player"

Jen

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way too much money.

:)






Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 2/1/99 2:48:54 PM Central Standard Time,
> fmsci@email.msn.com writes:
> 
> << WHAT WE REALLY NEED ARE MORE FEMALE TRACK
>  PRODUCERS!!!
>   >>
> 
> Someone told me that with my musical backround I should give that a shot.  (As
> well as learn to spin)
> What goes into that?
> 
> Jen

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i talked to someone this week who says the venue is HUGE and it shouldn't
sell out like the other hullas have.



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...keep tingz happy...                       |  ICQ #27890270

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                                           -oscar levant

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                                           -derrick carter
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> the scene here seems to be very anal when it comes to mixing..virtually no
> dj's here do any experimentation, and the ones that do don't get booked..
> what would you advise to a person who wants to play out in this kind of scene
> but who also wants to experiment?  

Just because it is different doesn't mean it is *GOOD*.
Get the skills first, THEN start experimenting.  Don't be experimental
just because it is easier to get off the ground than getting the skills.
Be experimental by conscious choice.

my $1.50
-pete
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In a message dated 2/1/99 6:50:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, godfoot@usa.net
writes:

> Not to perpetuate another flamewar or anything, but why do you seem (and I
>  say seem so as to not take your message out of context) to assume that
>  everyone at a midwest party wants to hear house all night.

well... not saying everyone does... i certainly don't, house music, as with
all music is good in small portions, makes you appreciate it more... we need
more variety... but kids who listen to house music... well.. want mixed music,
even tho most house djs around here are tracky as hell and do nothing more
than bitchslap the fader to the other side... 

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whoa!  someone just forwarded me this...anyone in on it?  craig?  u didn't
let us know??  hehehe ;P ;)

> sat mar 6  .  minneapolis, mn  .  FUNKY CHARMZ
>
>BRISK - HAPPY HARDCORE london/uk
>T1000 - BANGIN TECHNO Detroit
>JUSTIN LONG - HOUSE Chicago
>KID ENTROPY - JUNGLE Chicago
>DJ Jump - JUNGLE Omaha
>THEE-O - LA
>BOOGIE - mpls
>ARJAY KETAMINE
>WONDERBOY
>DJAI SUNRISE
>DJ SKYY
>Dj Spree
>Cloudskipper
>Natas
>'LIL' Ronnie
>VIRGO
>PAC-MAN
>DJ VEGA
>Kasey Kinetic
>
>SOUND: TWO main systems from SLAMHAMMER and BIA. Hear the Headliners
>at great times. Rooms will be divided into TRANCE/JUNGLE and
>HOUSE/TECHNO/HARDCORE.  LIGHTS: Provided by Paul Donahue of DSL and
>personal artist Shaun Siegler for amazing beams of techno glo.
>
>TICKETS: $15 presale (at cynesthesia)
>         $20 at door
>
>* THIS IS A SKATELAND FREE PARTY
>
>INFO LINES:
>SOUL THEOLOGY
>612.822.9640
>PROVIBE PRODUCTIONS
>651.220.9782
>
>www.pressenter.com/~nwill/soultheology



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                                           -derrick carter
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In a message dated 2/1/99 2:16:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
chadsommer@upshotmail.com writes:

> Gayle San is one of the BEST funky techno DJs in the world. She was (maybe
>  still is) a resident DJ at Sven Vath's club, Omen in Germany. She's spun
>  Tribal Gathering and played all over the world and is totally respected AS
A
>  DJ

no one spins at Omen anymore... it is gone... check out the interview with
former Club Omen resident Chris Liebing in issue 12 of activated or on their
web page

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In a message dated 2/1/99 3:48:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

> WHAT WE REALLY NEED ARE MORE FEMALE TRACK
>  PRODUCERS!!!

we don't need more of anything accept good producers... affirmative action has
nothing to do with creativity or good music... 

don't give praise to anyone cause of what they are or who they are... give
praise cause they are good...

this is fucking retarded

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In a message dated 2/1/99 5:55:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

> >there is still noise...
>  >i have a few records of this... that are new... just sounds of people
>  walking
>  >around a room,
>  
>  That would be catagory #1... sounds like alvin lucier/ vares
>  type stuff.. classic electronics really....

but it still exists is what i meant
 
>  >also, their is style ebm... this is electronic... and people do dance and
>  buy
>  >and spin this...
>  
>  
>  Humm.. give me an example of what this sounds like/ who makes this
>  (well known people who make this...)...

front 242, klinik, suicide commando
 
>  >and i dare say you can even classify industrial into this...
>  
>  humm... not the full market, though.. industrial with a heavy
>  techno slant would be group 2...

not all industrial is guitars... most american industrial is metal with a
sampler
   
>  >you could even say hip hop was electronic... lots of sampled instruments
>  going
>  >there... altho "real" instruments are creeping in more and more... instead
>  of
>  >being sampled i mean
>    
>  Hip hop without vocals would be group 2, otherwise it doesn't count
>  (different market)..

why? lots of house music has vocals... look at dajae... even some jungle has
vocals... and electro... well, and then in hardcore you have pissed off
aussies screaming at you... and happy hardcore you have freaks wailing away at
15rpms too fast for their voice
 
>  What I ment by electronica was everything from juan atkins early
>  cybotron stuff to cari lekebusch... hence my comment about
>  pissing people off.. ;)... basically TEKKNO as we know it...
>  landstrumm, sasha, paul johnson, carl craig, plastikman, vogel,
>  beyer, biochip C... ect

well.. i generally call it techno... i use that as my umbrella term
 
>  >i don't really think the IDM genre is all that revolutionary... to be
quite
>  >honest, i don't see a whole lot of difference it... seems very stale in
>  >sounds...
>  
>  My point exactly about the bar being high... the only cutting edge
>  IDM artist I  know and would call such are :
>  autechre, gescom, mu-ziq, areovein,
>  aphex (and all his pseudonyms), two lone swordsmen, speedy j..
>  I think this is it for who I know..
>  the other imitate the sounds of the people
>  I mentioned...

call me a heretic.. but i don't really think those guys are that cutting
edge.. .maybe they used to be... but everyone sounds like them or they sound
like everyone else
 



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>Im curious, where did you see the video?  It wasnt on MTV was it?

yep - on amp.  but i'm guessing that mtv will make it "buzzworthy" just cos
it is such a well done video, and it's on nothing records.



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>Someone told me that with my musical backround I should give that a shot.
(As
>well as learn to spin)
>What goes into that?


Into what? production or djing? Being a musician will definitely
help in both... But you really don't have to be so as a prerequisite
for either..

I'll let shiva or devilgirl field the dj half of this question,
as for trax.. well... it all depends on where you stand..

#1.. do you have a computer, if so.. what?

#2... do you have money ;)... lots of money =)...

#3 (the and the most important) what style of electronic
music would you like ta write??  here is a quick over view of what
a few styles take...

Drum and bass--> old school d and b involves samplers... decent
ones at that... If you don't have a computer to chop beats up on,
this can be a choir... If you like dark techstep stuff, a sampler
would still help, but that 2 beat pattern (with fills) can be
accomplished with any decent digital drum machine.. you won't
be nico or optical in a day, but you can still get your head around
a few trax...

Trance/old school techno/ detroit/ chicago house.. ect...

These styles are a wee bit more open ended in regards to
gear selection.

Samplers would still be neato (and if you wanna do some newschool
techno ala beyer, lekebusch and vogel they are required) but
any drum machine, any synth ect can be used...

(** what it takes to make a track..

their are two types of gear.. one group I like to call LIVE gear,
the other group I call presequanced gear... these are only funny
models I have made for myself.. presequenced gear can be just as
LIVE as live gear..

Let me take a moment to explain what in the hell I am talking
about...

Live gear is old gear... real vintage analogue monsters like
tb303s (acid synth extraordinar, classic on almost anything called
acid). the enigmatic tr909 (HARD drum machine..
classic on almost ALL techno albums).. anything premidi basically.
they run and communicate by controlled voltages, not digital info...

Midi stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface, and is
what most people who write crazy music use.. Well, in reality,
people with money (or allot of experience) use both... but
you need to buy expensive MIDI->to->CV converters.. something
a beginner need not worry much about...

You need to decide which direction you wanna start in, the cheapest
and best for a novice is MIDI (i.e. modern) gear..

The reason I call premidi stuff live is because, when you play..
you play live PA style.. Prototype909/atomic babies style...
If you want the hi hats to stop, you mute them on the mixer or
you turn the hihat volume knob  on the actual drum machine..
you want the synth to tweak, YOU turn the knob.. you want to
add a fill at the end of a 4 bar loop, you push the button that makes
the fill sound .. let me explain the last one a little better..

A 808/909/303 ect type box are pattern sequencers.. very cool
ones because the different patters are assigned to the 16 keys
on the front of the unit... to change a pattern, you just press
a different key... as you can see... if you were not their to
push the button, the track would just loop and loop.. no changes..
this is why old school trax have very limited drum changes...
you can further mutate these patterns by effex and cutting the
volume of certain instruments... make changes by tweaking
parameters instead of notes.. basically, what techno has become..
it exists because of gear limitations... cute eh?

Midi gear can have all this done for you.. you program a full song
and can hit play, smoke a fag and enjoy your music on the other
side of the room... You can also play live with midi gear, but it
all depends on what you have... some don't have internal sequencers...

You can program all your synth tweaks in midi on your computer
and the song will play the tweaks back without the need to
touch a knob (if your midi synth HAS any knobs ;)..

This sounds lame, but some ideas can not be reproduced by human
hands.. it all depends on what you want in your music ... You can also
have a mix of the two styles (have the computer change the notes around as
you tweak a synth and change the drum patterns on one
of three machines, the other two being controlled by the computer..
ect)... Don't let all the computer shit scare ya.. I know people
who don't even know how to defrag theirs, but they write great
trax..

(** To get started... try this...

you need some drums (for a beginner I'd suggest a decent digital
drum box like an R8mk2 by roland or a Yamaha RY30)...
info on these boxes can be found on the net at
http://hyperreal.org/music/machines/manufacturers/

or http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/test.html

Then you need a mixer inorder to get that box and anyother
boxes to get together (I'm sure you already understand this,
but it is being posted publicly ;)... a mackie 1202 non VLZ
(VLZ= the more expensive, newer models) will cost you between
$200 ta $350 USD... maybe less.. I'm not sure... this would
be a decent first mixer..

After this, get a synth... any synth... check the for sale adds on
analogue heaven, digital hell (two mailing lists) or at
http://harmony-central.com/Services/#cla

go to the other links I mentioned and search down info on anything
you find in a decent price range.. if you don't understand something
in the spec write ups about the synth (buzz words like "Moog styled
24dB lowpass filter switchable to bandpass or notch" write me
or post the question in any open forum like mw or AH)...

if you do have computers, you can eventually sequence your music
on these.. OR .. you can download samples off the net and find
a program (like fasttracker) to run these sound inorder to make
trax NOW, without spending a dime...

the format is TOTALLY different than what you will be dealing
with real hardware gear.. but it is a start... if you're into drum and
bass, particularly dark drum and bass, you can easily find a
home for your modfiles on kultbox records in chicago or many
other open minded label houses...

bigger labels might not be so open minded... but who am I ta
discourage ;)...

tata... if you have any other question, I'll be here and happy to
ramble more.. If you really wanna get into this, but didn't
understand something I said, or would like future elaboration,
please ask... I wrote this while watching a bad comedy central movie
(FEDs.. sorry gals ;).. so I have no clue how fucked up this might read in
one sitting...

I, nor anybody else, is any smarter than you.. so if other people
can do it, you can as well....

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>we don't need more of anything accept good producers... affirmative action
has
>nothing to do with creativity or good music...


So women are not creative, hence their absence in the field?
You seem to be stating, with your logic cited above, that the
cards fall where they are ... that men control things, not because
of some kinda conspiratorial agenda (even a subconsciously
rooted agenda) but because they are better and that is how it is?
Some skewered version of Darwinian superhumanism ??

BULLSHIT... look around you mate, we need equal opportunity...
many potentially good track producers don't get into shit
because they feel their
gender has little to do with it... hence my post...

>don't give praise to anyone cause of what they are or who they are... give
>praise cause they are good...


Good point, but lets let them try...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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Some one was asking about pirate radio a week back I think...

heres a forward concerning it.

Adam


---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Subject: [pur] low cost low risk pirate radio?


Interesting and suprising comments coming from the FCC (Freespeech Control
Commission)...  I'm sure some of you have looked into pirate radio at
some point.

-eric

>From edupage:

FCC PLAN FOR LOW-POWER FM STATIONS
The Federal Communications Commission is proposing a plan that would
facilitate the creation of hundreds or thousands of new low-cost FM radio
stations with a broadcast range between 2 to 18 miles in diameter.
Technological advances have reduced the cost of the equipment needed for
such operations to just a few hundred dollars.  The National Association
of Broadcasters opposes the plan, saying it would likely cause
"devastating" interference to existing broadcasters.  An NAB executive
said:  "We love the First Amendment.  But if everyone owns a radio
station, then nobody can hear."  The FCC's response is:  "We cannot deny
opportunities to those who want to use the airwaves to speak to their
communities simply because it might be inconvenient for those who already
have these opportunities."(New York Times 29 Jan 99)

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Edupage, 31 January 1999. Edupage, a summary of news about information
technology, is provided three times a week as a service of EDUCAUSE,
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> >* THIS IS A SKATELAND FREE PARTY


Eeeyyeeesss! Hehe, I hope that's a guarantee! ; )

...even though I'd still go if it isn't...*L*

|_0\/3,
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where do i line up for the bullet?

entro
a glorified madden

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oh gosh.  I have no idea where the hell I got this tape (it appeared in my
car a month or so agao..), but I've been listening to it almost once a day
since it appeared.  What's it called?  Shit.. I have no idea... just a
dated thang ("DiscoD 6/29/98").  Maybe a bootleg, maybe a ghetto dup.. I
dunno.  Anyways..

I've never really been a fan of ghetto house at all.  Really just bored
the shit out of me, and occationally bothered me.  But omigod, this tape
is damn agressive and well constructed.  Almost every track is double
stacked, scratching is tight, beatmatching is more than adequate, and
selection is impeccable.  I mean, how many djs will have hard booty, jump
up, chill jungle, and old school house in one tape, all mixed with flow? 
>From rock the funky beats into work that mutha fuckah into electro... oh
the scratching...... mmMMmmmm... 

So if you appreciate ghetto house, or djs who can tear shit up, bug discod
for a copy of this sucker or other tapes.  His email is djdiscod69@aol.com

muchrespect!

peas,
-pete
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oopsy poo!  sorry, I've just got a bad jones for the BReaks lately.
willebear
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>NO NO NO...that party with john kelley is this weekend in nashville
FEBRUARY
>6th...chill....
>
>peeeeSh lauryn*


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Just wanted to start a survey... between these two lists of what is considered
to be the biggest party cities in America... so email me telling your
opinion... everyone repply an i will post the results later

plur
alex

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> 
> So if you appreciate ghetto house, or djs who can tear shit up, bug discod
> for a copy of this sucker or other tapes.  His email is djdiscod69@aol.com

actually, i think he just announced not too long ago that he had a change
of email address and that his aol account wasn't gonna work anymore.  i
believe the addy he uses now is dshayman@umich.edu.  if i'm pulling this
outta my ass, or if disco is subbed to this list himself and wanted to
answer for himself, sorry d. ;P
**doris**
ooooo, disco!


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> If all of this holds to be true,

But it isn't true.. nothing is. It is just an abstract model,
a metaphore for what we experiance.. This is how humans have
delt with quanitifing experiances for generations.. but
we must always remember how arbitrary these models are..
as alan watts once said: "The menu is not the meal"

Now.. with that stated, let me get back to re examining this quick
model I have made for myself..

 where would you fit DJ Shadow in all of
>this? He does alot of experamentation and still has good commercial sales.
><bdw>


Which market buys his stuff?? I don't hear it at parties,
so it isn't group 2.. if it isn't *PRIMARILY* a dj kultcha thing,
than it is probably group 3... but group 2 also includes hiphop
djs.. so you have to ask yourself HOW experimental his material
is, and in what quantities.. does he produce material that is
completely experimental (odd time signatures, off beat segments..
ect),, or does he tuck the experimentalism behind a lot of
gener vein material (good material still.. but good and bad are not
what we are talking about, eh?).. If he does sell full double packs
of weird ass stuff, and djs buy it and play it.. you've got me...

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o

ps: don't forget, we are talking about MARKETS.. not generes of
music...







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someone tell me how to get the hell off this list.....i am sick as fuk of
going and deleting EVERY damn mail i get cause its all house tape reviews and
upcomin fukin SHIT parties
y the fuk would i wanna read bout a upcoming party???? so that i can go and
hang around 14year old drugged up flamin kandyfuks????
someone either take me off this list with that auto shit or fukin tell me how
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SaMMy

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I wasn't going to email this to the list till I saw the physical flyer, 
but the promoter has told me that everyone is confirmed 100% and a lot 
of people have been asking me about it. So here's the flyer ;-)

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Hey i am wondeirng if any on the lists listens to punk and if so email me you
rfavorties cause i gotto get some new stuff to listen to, personally i like
Bad Religion, Rancid, Nofx, but i am open for suggestions...

PLUR
alex

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<snip>
  would you say to go for traditional
>mixing, build a rep that way, then get experimental with the mixes?  or
would
>you say to do experimental mixing (with traditional style here and there)?
>then again i don't really think that i could get booked here cuz i don't
play
>what everyone else is playing and refuse to do so..
<snip>

How about this idea?  What about doing the traditional beatmatching for a
while at parties and doing the experimental thing on your mixtapes?  If
enough people like the tapes, I'm sure the word will get out about your
experimentation.  If I'm not mistaken, (correct me if I'm wrong) this is how
Richie Hawtin accomplished the same task in the beginning.

Just some thoughts to chew on.

Peace and love,

Mike aka Hex
godfoot@usa.net
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www.angelfire.com/ia/waxmasters  DJ booking site
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>>* * * *
>>Cracking an international market is a goal of most growing corporations.
It
>>shouldn't be that hard, yet even the big multi-nationals run into trouble
>>because of language and cultural differences. For example...
>>
>>Scandinavian vacuum manufacturer Electrolux used the following in an
>American
>>add campaign: "Nothing sucks like an Electrolux."
>>
>>The name Coca-Cola in China was first rendered as Ke-kou-ke-la.
>Unfortunately,
>>the Coke company did not discover until after thousands of signs had been
>>printed that the phrase means "bite the wax tadpole" or "female horse
>stuffed
>>with wax" depending on the dialect. Coke then researched 40,000 Chinese
>>characters and found a close phonetic equivalent, "ko-kou-ko-le," which
can
>be
>>loosely translated as "happiness in the mouth."
>>
>>In Taiwan, the translation of the Pepsi slogan "Come alive with the Pepsi
>>Generation" came out as "Pepsi will bring your ancestors back from the
>dead."
>>
>>Also in Chinese, the Kentucky Fried Chicken slogan "finger-lickin' good"
>came
>>out as "eat your fingers off."
>>
>>The American slogan for Salem cigarettes, "Salem - Feeling Free," got
>>translated in the Japanese market into "When smoking Salem,you feel so
>>refreshed that your mind seems to be free and empty."
>>
>>When General Motors introduced the Chevy Nova in South America, it was
>>apparently unaware that "no va" means "it won't go." After the company
>figured
>>out why it wasn't selling any cars, it renamed the car in its Spanish
>markets
>>to the "Caribe".
>>
>>Ford had a similar problem in Brazil when the Pinto flopped. The company
>found
>>out that Pinto was Brazilian slang for "tiny male genitals". Ford pried
all
>>the nameplates off and substituted Corcel, which means horse.
>>
>>When Parker Pen marketed a ballpoint pen in Mexico, its ads were supposed
>to
>>say "It won't leak in your pocket and embarrass you." However, the company
>>mistakenly thought the spanish word "embarazar" meant embarrass. Instead
>the
>>ads said that "It wont leak in your pocket and make you pregnant."
>>
>>An American t-shirt maker in Miami printed shirts for the spanish market
>which
>>promoted the Pope's visit. Instead of the desired "I Saw the Pope" in
>Spanish,
>>the shirts proclaimed "I Saw the Potato."
>>
>>Chicken-man Frank Perdue's slogan, "It takes a tough man to make a tender
>>chicken," got terribly mangled in another Spanish translation. A photo of
>>Perdue with one of his birds appeared on billboards all over Mexico with a
>>caption that explained "It takes a hard man to make a chicken aroused."
>>
>>Hunt-Wesson introduced its Big John products in French Canada as Gros Jos
>>before finding out that the phrase, in slang, means "big breasts." In this
>>case, however, the name problem did not have a noticeable effect on sales.
>>
>>Colgate introduced a toothpaste in France called Cue, the name of a
>notorious
>>porno mag.
>>
>>In Italy, a campaign for Schweppes Tonic Water translated the name into
>>Schweppes Toilet Water.
>>
>>Japan's second-largest tourist agency was mystified when it entered
>English-
>>speaking markets and began receiving requests for unusual sex tours. The
>>owners of Kinki Nippon Tourist Company were mystified.
>>
>>* * * *
>>
>>During the heat of the space race in the 1960's, the U.S. National
>Aeronautics
>>and Space Administration decided it needed a ball-point pen to write in
the
>>zero gravity confines of its space capsules. After considerable research
>and
>>development, the Astronaut Pen was developed at  a cost of $1 million U.S.
>>dollars. The pen worked and also enjoyed some  modest success as a novelty
>>item back here on earth.
>>
>>The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem--used a pencil.
>>

Peace and love,

Mike aka Hex
godfoot@usa.net
www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/2181  Homepage
www.angelfire.com/ia/waxmasters  DJ booking site
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just thought you might want to check out the gruesome new ad campaign
for the partnership for a drug free america organization:

http://www.execpc.com/~nyx/methad/meth1.html


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Husqvarnic@aol.com wrote:
> fmsci@email.msn.com writes:
> >  >also, their is style ebm... this is electronic... and people do dance and
> >  buy
> >  >and spin this...
> >  
> >  
> >  Humm.. give me an example of what this sounds like/ who makes this
> >  (well known people who make this...)...
> 
> front 242, klinik, suicide commando

Whoa! I was just thinking about Klinik the other day! I was
trying to decide whether I'd ever listen to them again and
whether I should sell my copy of their 5 record box set...

> >  My point exactly about the bar being high... the only cutting edge
> >  IDM artist I  know and would call such are :
> >  autechre, gescom, mu-ziq, areovein,
> >  aphex (and all his pseudonyms), two lone swordsmen, speedy j..
> >  I think this is it for who I know..
> >  the other imitate the sounds of the people
> >  I mentioned...
> 
> call me a heretic.. but i don't really think those guys are that cutting
> edge.. .maybe they used to be... but everyone sounds like them or they sound
> like everyone else

Well, I agree for the most part. Ae/gescom, mu-ziq, etc.
aren't exactly cutting edge, but that doesn't mean there
aren't people out there doing interesting stuff.  I think
there's still good stuff coming out on ifach, I still
like Cristian Vogel, Si Begg, Jamie Lidell, SubHead
(although I haven't bought any subhead stuff recently...)

And as for the original thread about beatmatching.. I think
we need to make a distinction between beatmatching (the
process of aligning the beats of two records) and a smooth
mixing style. You can't do what Claude Young or Jeff Mills
does without beatmatching. As far as I'm concerned, there
isn't a whole lot of interesting stuff that you can do with
dance music without beatmatching. 

However, I totally agree that I'd like to see more people
think about new ways to mix records. I'm not saying that
everyone needs to bang the crossfader and juggle beats. In
fact, that's pretty much the opposite of what I'm saying.
When I hear a new DJ, I'm interested in hearing what he/she
is bringing to the table in terms of new ideas.  New ideas
can come in the form of technical skills, selection,
programming, transitions, tricks, or even in the
juxtaposition of two kinds of music which you never thought
would sound good together.

So anyway, hi from the west coast. Sorry I don't post as
often as I might...

-Sho
--
sho@macromedia.com
sho@spies.com

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thanks ....


Mike Compo wrote:

> <snip>
>   would you say to go for traditional
> >mixing, build a rep that way, then get experimental with the mixes?  or
> would
> >you say to do experimental mixing (with traditional style here and there)?
> >then again i don't really think that i could get booked here cuz i don't
> play
> >what everyone else is playing and refuse to do so..
> <snip>
>
> How about this idea?  What about doing the traditional beatmatching for a
> while at parties and doing the experimental thing on your mixtapes?  If
> enough people like the tapes, I'm sure the word will get out about your
> experimentation.  If I'm not mistaken, (correct me if I'm wrong) this is how
> Richie Hawtin accomplished the same task in the beginning.
>
> Just some thoughts to chew on.
>
> Peace and love,
>
> Mike aka Hex
> godfoot@usa.net
> www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/2181  Homepage
> www.angelfire.com/ia/waxmasters  DJ booking site
> ICQ: 12416740
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>>  That would be catagory #1... sounds like alvin lucier/ vares
>>  type stuff.. classic electronics really....
>
>but it still exists is what i meant


Yes.. I never said it didn't.. I believe I stated it was Nearly dead,
in regards to the overall consumer market... but nothing ever
completely dies...


>front 242, klinik, suicide commando


People spin this shit? Ohh.. you mean club djs, right?
This is band oriented music... not pure electronics ala the three
groups I mentioned.. they go with industrial in the rock market
IMHO (most people who buy this buy rock as well...)
Humm.. seem to me this *IS* industrial.. well, front 242 anywayz..
what is the difference?


>not all industrial is guitars... most american industrial is metal with a
>sampler


still band music.. with this logic, you could bring up Devo and
flock of seagulls...


>>  Hip hop without vocals would be group 2, otherwise it doesn't count
>>  (different market)..
>
>why? lots of house music has vocals... look at dajae...

I try not to, she sucks ;)... seriously though.. Hip hop with vocals
(aka rap) has the primary thrust upon the vocal content, the vocal
presence in house/jungle ect.. is secondary. As my friend who just
read this message stated "In dead Kennedy's trax, the music is
their to complement the vocal messages. in tekkno, it is the other
way around.. it isn't the most prominent aspect"... Certain elements
define a genere... house, even with vocals, is defined as dance
music, and what makes this so is the beat.. the primary aspect..

>call me a heretic.. but i don't really think those guys are that cutting
>edge.. .maybe they used to be... but everyone sounds like them or they
sound
>like everyone else

I could care less what you think of them, I don't love IDM much
myself (too soulful for me).. but the fact remains that they are
pushing an envelope further than most.. Black people sit on the
front of the bus everyday, but does that discredit rosa parks
for taking that first stand?

o0o[qiB.]o0o






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gross!

was that computer-enhanced?  none of the tweakheads i ever knew got _that_
skinny...pretty skinny...but i was also poor as hell when i was on it so i
never had money for food even if i _did_ have an appetite.

anyone know anyone that's _really_ that skinny?



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"\[.v/jek.\]" <fmsci@email.msn.com> wrote:
> Husqvarnic@aol.com wrote:
> >front 242, klinik, suicide commando
> 
> People spin this shit? Ohh.. you mean club djs, right?
> This is band oriented music... not pure electronics ala the three
> groups I mentioned.. they go with industrial in the rock market
> IMHO (most people who buy this buy rock as well...)
> Humm.. seem to me this *IS* industrial.. well, front 242 anywayz..
> what is the difference?

Hi.. Just to clear up any confusion...

1) You're right that Front 242 is more like a traditional
   band, while Klinik is pure electronica.  Don't know
   anything about suicide commando. 

2) Industrial dance music is part of the history of
   techno. Case in point, I remember Alan Oldham (aka DJ
   T1000) once telling me a story of how he and Jeff Mills
   were at a Front 242 concert years and years ago, and how
   Jeff was all excited about it, saying, "I wanna make
   music like that.."  Soon after that, he and Mad Mike
   created Underground Resistance. Go figure.

-Sho
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Wow that was unexpected! =) Thanks!  Well to keep you all posted I am gonna
put out a tape in a few weeks that I am gonna get proffessionally pressed and
try to get in stores and everything....its gonna be called "Smack That Pitch
Up" and its a little bit more on the electro tip but its got ghetto too....and
of course plenty of tricks....so look for it soon....also peep my webpage cuz
I got some real audio on there, and I am gonna put a clip of that tape up
pretty soon, the address is http://www.umich.edu/~dshayman and yes, please
email me at dshayman@umich.edu as opposed to this address.  Peace! -d

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A few people have asked me about this, so to clear things up, I will be 
spinning at both parties. I'll be going on first, with a trancecore set 
in Ames, IA and then driving like a nut back to Mpls to spin at Funky 
charms sometime arround 4am or so. 

I worked this out with both promoters because I wanted to spin at both 
events very badly. :-) I'll probably die of sleep deprivation on sunday, 
but it will be worth it. Both parties should be excelent, the last one 
jeff through was simply awsome IMO, and this one will only be better :-) 
And the party in Minneapolis, with Brisk should be prety amazing too :-)

->Craig/Spree
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umm have u ever tried to beat match old disco rekkids???

NNOthing

itz hell

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Minus presents Latitude

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that party sounds way fun!!     i heard madkid is spinning too.  *YaY!!*

hopefuly a revival of the masses to save us from the recent lull in mpls


look for tha grrl blowing bubbles =)


have a nice day
~nadine

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At 17:52 1-2-99 -0500, you wrote:

>#1.. do you have a computer, if so.. what?
>#2... do you have money ;)... lots of money =)...

Fuck that. I say ghetto! Good tracks can be made using cheap equipment. I
use Cakewalk for DOS, which runs on an XT which I bought for $25, and I use
a Casio FZ-1 sampler. I made 5 records with just that setup and a cheap
second-hand effects unit. That includes Kultbox 002.

And you can make ANY type of music you want using a tracker on your
computer, which is FREE, and will run on anything 386 and over. I will not
have any of this "trackers are no good business" because I spin to much
stuff that was created on 'em.

So... Go out and be ghetto. If you want to start, you can start... Just...
Realize that it takes several months before you'll have something you'll
REALLY like. It ain't easy.

Eye-D 

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  * Ghetto Safari 7

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On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:54:30 +0100 Eye-D <Eye-D@dds.nl> writes:

>>>#1.. do you have a computer, if so.. what?
>>>#2... do you have money ;)... lots of money =)...

>Fuck that. I say ghetto! Good tracks can be made using cheap equipment.

i agree.  its not how much gear you have or how much you spend getting
it.  its about getting the most out of what you have....especially what
little gear you might have.

time and time again, i've heard great tracks from people who have maybe
four or five pieces of beatup secondhand gear.  and it is consistantly
better music that stuff produced by people who have twenty keyboards or
other fancy new shit.

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halfway between detroit and chicago....


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> SHOUT OUT TO EVERYBODY IN THIS DISCUSSION--->
>
> It seems to me y'all have been missing ed's point about dj kultcha
> in amerikkka... It isn't trainwrecking he was talking about, or
> even letting the beat double up in time.. he was talking
> about BEING EXPERIMENTAL in general...

beat matching is one skill in a sea of things that a dj can do... it's up to
the individual dj to decide how they want to play records... but, imho, we
don't need anymore generic sounding djs...
if you want an analogy I'll tie it in with skateboarding... beat matching is
like getting your balance... from their you learn diffent things like carving
(smooth layered mixes)... ollies (cutting), grinding (scratching)... and they
way you do these is what makes up you personal style... some styles are
fluid, some styles are trick laden and choppy...


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>
>>Fuck that. I say ghetto! Good tracks can be made using cheap equipment.
>
>i agree.  its not how much gear you have or how much you spend getting
>it.  its about getting the most out of what you have....especially what
>little gear you might have.

or the gear one might borrow or gain access to...  it'll take more time
without your own gear, but owning expensive gear, or even owning gear at
first, does not have to be a prerequisite for writing tracks!  there are
quite a few little studios out there that have all sorts of gear to play
with.. the experimental sound studio in chicago has sliding rates to keep it
affordable for its users, and i am sure there are others like it in other
places... i use the studio at my school where my time is extremely
limited... but this limitation makes me focus and push my time that much
more.
>
>time and time again, i've heard great tracks from people who have maybe
>four or five pieces of beatup secondhand gear.  and it is consistantly
>better music that stuff produced by people who have twenty keyboards or
>other fancy new shit.
>
there is always lots to be learned by pushing your limitations, and working
under limitations... making the gear you do have (or have access to) make
the sounds that you want...


laura!
saffron@earthlink.net

eat television for dinner.
you said backwards is we



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Kimberly Follett wrote:

> just thought you might want to check out the gruesome new ad campaign
> for the partnership for a drug free america organization:
>
> http://www.execpc.com/~nyx/methad/meth1.html
>
> eeeeeewwwwww.

Reminds me of an afterparty in Southwest Ohio!  :-P



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> > just thought you might want to check out the gruesome new ad campaign
>  > for the partnership for a drug free america organization:
>  >
>  > http://www.execpc.com/~nyx/methad/meth1.html
>  >
>  > eeeeeewwwwww.

i dunno... i thought those chicks were pretty hot... kinda reminded me of
medievil porn stars... well, the ones with leprosy anyway... 

if you ever have the chance to have sex with a leper go for it!!! um... as
long as it is female... you don't wanna have to fish something out later.,..
must be embarassing for a guy with leprosy

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MMMMMM!   That smile by crystal meth makes me wanna go bump some meth right
now.  Pretty effective if ya ask me.
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>> > just thought you might want to check out the gruesome new ad campaign
>>  > for the partnership for a drug free america organization:
>>  >
>>  > http://www.execpc.com/~nyx/methad/meth1.html
>>  >
>>  > eeeeeewwwwww.
>
>i dunno... i thought those chicks were pretty hot... kinda reminded me of
>medievil porn stars... well, the ones with leprosy anyway...
>
>if you ever have the chance to have sex with a leper go for it!!! um... as
>long as it is female... you don't wanna have to fish something out
later.,..
>must be embarassing for a guy with leprosy


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How do you change the name that is displayed when you send an e-mail? I
don't want my entire address to be displayed. I have Outlook Express.
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Where did you learn to sign on to this list???  Common sense would
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FINALLY, now I can go into stores and find a selection of the tight fitting
Wranglers that I love so much instead of these giant pants those 
freaky *ravers* wear ;P   I always knew the Wall Street Journal was 
damn resourceful....   

~Darian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Work like you don't need the money, 
Love like you've never been hurt, 
And dance like no one's watching    :)
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<<         Fashion:
         A Fad Flames Out , and Retailers Get Burned
         By Stacy Kravetz
 
         01/21/99
         The Wall Street Journal
         Page B1
         (Copyright (c) 1999, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)
 
 
 
         Last year, jeans with the superwide legs that drag on the ground --
 some people called them "rave" pants -- were a hip fashion statement. Now,
 for many retailers, they are just a lot of really big pants.
 
 
         Teen trendsetters have moved on. They are wearing non-denim, sleeker
 styles: drawstring pants, carpenter pants, and multipocketed cargo pants.
 The rapid rise and flameout of wide-leg fashion is a reminder that, as hard
 as it is for retailers to jump on a trend early, it's even harder to jump
 off before the look screeches to a halt.
 
 
         Really wide pants "used to be the fad, like flannels, and everyone
 bought them," explains 17-year-old Steven Toyota, of Glenview, Ill. Now, he
 says, they are "pretty much out." He says he still wears his pants big, but
 not as big as he used to. "There's a point where you just can't go."
 
 
         That sentiment left Pacific Sunwear of California Inc. with too many
 of the elephantine jeans, alongside a number of other teen-oriented
 retailers who made big bets on rave pants. Pacific Sunwear, Anaheim, Calif.,
 blamed the sudden drop in interest in rave pants for a 1.6% drop in its
 November sales at stores open at least a year.
 
 
         Tim Harmon, Pacific Sunwear's president and chief merchandising
 officer, declined to say how much wide-leg inventory the company was left
 with, but confirmed the company has had to mark the jeans down to get rid of
 them. For December, the retailer says, sales have rebounded 4.2%, in part
 the result of the next big thing in pants: long surfing shorts, also known
 as "board" shorts. Says James White, an investor relations official for the
 retailer, "1999 is supposed to be the year of surf."
 
 
         Rave pants burned Dallas teen retailer Gadzooks Inc., too. Last
 fall, it was selling JNCO-brand wide-leg pants priced between $48 and $58,
 stocking 300 pairs in each of its 280 stores. But now, the retailer has
 stopped ordering the pants, and just before Christmas slashed the price to
 $29.99, with just 70 to 80 pairs in stock in each store, says Gerald
 Szczepanski, Gadzooks's president.
 
 
         "Denim really is the part that's gotten dried up," Mr. Szczepanski
 says. Of course, it could be worse. Several years ago, Gadzooks had trouble
 selling red-leather, multizippered, Michael Jackson-style jackets at $299
 apiece; it marked them down within weeks to $4.99, Mr. Szczepanski recalls.
 
 
         Sales of the JNCOs brand, pronounced "jinkos," have tracked the rise
 and fall of the wide-leg trend. In 1997, JNCOs' Los Angeles manufacturer,
 Revatex Inc., was experiencing what its founders, Milo and Jacques Revah,
 called "exponential growth." The company opened a JNCO retail store on
 Melrose Avenue and was making plans to open more.
 
 
         On a recent afternoon, the salespeople outnumbered the customers in
 the funky Melrose boutique. There were plenty of wide-leg jeans for sale --
 and also other styles, such as bell-bottoms with embroidery on the legs, and
 narrower pants in denim and twill. An employee at the store says there won't
 be any clearance sales, because the store has a policy of never holding
 sales. JNCO officials didn't return repeated calls seeking comment.
 
 
         Retailers and other designers say JNCOs are victims of their own
 success. Once the wide-leg look went mainstream, teen trendsetters --
 arbiters of hip among their peers and, thus, the most influential fashion
 customers -- abandoned rave pants.
 
 
         When predicting trends, it all comes down to batting average, says
 Marty Samuels, vice president of marketing for Quiksilver Inc., another
 manufacturer of wide-leg pants. It takes getting "eight, nine or ten out of
 ten choices right."
 
 
         In addition to rave pants, Quiksilver, based in Costa Mesa, Calif.,
 also emphasized other sportswear so it wouldn't have too much hanging on one
 style's popularity, Mr. Samuels says. The other styles weren't all winners,
 he acknowledges. "We were believing in a corduroy pant last year and took a
 huge position on it, and then we had bazillions of them to liquidate," Mr.
 Samuels recalls. Halter tops were another miscalculation.
 
 
         In hindsight, rave pants had some problems. The pants -- some as
 wide as 60 inches, wide enough to fit over the head -- just weren't
 practical. Skateboarders credited with starting the trend quickly began to
 look for something narrower. "They weren't utilitarian enough," says Janine
 Lopiano-Misdom, co-founder of New York trend-research firm Sputnik. "You
 can't ride in them."
 
 
         In the teen fashion market, there is a hierarchy of brands; when it
 comes to pants, subtle differences in leg widths dictate what's cool and
 what's not. Certain crowds go for different looks. In rave dance clubs,
 wide-leg pants are still integral fashion components. But for the trendiest
 teens, as soon as the wide-leg look began appearing in major retail chains,
 it was over.
 
 
         Federated Department Stores Inc., which owns Macy's and other
 department stores, says it stopped reordering wide-leg pants before the
 back-to-school season last year. Instead, says John Fowler, Federated's
 men's fashion director, we "bought in faster to the cargo and utility
 trend."
 
 
         Federated's Bloomingdale's stopped carrying ultrawide-leg pants last
 spring. "They were very successful, but they were basically a fad as opposed
 to a style," said Kal Ruttenstein, senior vice president for fashion
 direction.
 
 
         A few specialty retailers that cater to teens took note and stopped
 ordering rave pants in time. "When it hits main stores in the mall, it's
 time for us to move on," Betsy McLachlan, senior vice president of
 merchandising at Pomona, Calif., retailer Hot Topic Inc.
 
 
         Hot Topic bought its rave pants from Kik Wear International Inc.,
 Los Angeles. Last year, rave pants helped Kik Wear double sales to $18.8
 million. This year, the company's production of the pants is less than half
 what it was at its peak last winter. Taking rave pants' place are pinstripes
 and polyester pants with narrower legs.
 
 
         "Consumer tastes are changing," says Alex Berenson, Kik Wear's
 president and owner. "In some cases they have a closet full of wide-leg
 pants, and they don't need another unless it's really special."
 
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        Fashion:
        A Fad Flames Out , and Retailers Get Burned
        By Stacy Kravetz

        01/21/99
        The Wall Street Journal
        Page B1
        (Copyright (c) 1999, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)



        Last year, jeans with the superwide legs that drag on the ground --
some people called them "rave" pants -- were a hip fashion statement. Now,
for many retailers, they are just a lot of really big pants.


        Teen trendsetters have moved on. They are wearing non-denim, sleeker
styles: drawstring pants, carpenter pants, and multipocketed cargo pants.
The rapid rise and flameout of wide-leg fashion is a reminder that, as hard
as it is for retailers to jump on a trend early, it's even harder to jump
off before the look screeches to a halt.


        Really wide pants "used to be the fad, like flannels, and everyone
bought them," explains 17-year-old Steven Toyota, of Glenview, Ill. Now, he
says, they are "pretty much out." He says he still wears his pants big, but
not as big as he used to. "There's a point where you just can't go."


        That sentiment left Pacific Sunwear of California Inc. with too many
of the elephantine jeans, alongside a number of other teen-oriented
retailers who made big bets on rave pants. Pacific Sunwear, Anaheim, Calif.,
blamed the sudden drop in interest in rave pants for a 1.6% drop in its
November sales at stores open at least a year.


        Tim Harmon, Pacific Sunwear's president and chief merchandising
officer, declined to say how much wide-leg inventory the company was left
with, but confirmed the company has had to mark the jeans down to get rid of
them. For December, the retailer says, sales have rebounded 4.2%, in part
the result of the next big thing in pants: long surfing shorts, also known
as "board" shorts. Says James White, an investor relations official for the
retailer, "1999 is supposed to be the year of surf."


        Rave pants burned Dallas teen retailer Gadzooks Inc., too. Last
fall, it was selling JNCO-brand wide-leg pants priced between $48 and $58,
stocking 300 pairs in each of its 280 stores. But now, the retailer has
stopped ordering the pants, and just before Christmas slashed the price to
$29.99, with just 70 to 80 pairs in stock in each store, says Gerald
Szczepanski, Gadzooks's president.


        "Denim really is the part that's gotten dried up," Mr. Szczepanski
says. Of course, it could be worse. Several years ago, Gadzooks had trouble
selling red-leather, multizippered, Michael Jackson-style jackets at $299
apiece; it marked them down within weeks to $4.99, Mr. Szczepanski recalls.


        Sales of the JNCOs brand, pronounced "jinkos," have tracked the rise
and fall of the wide-leg trend. In 1997, JNCOs' Los Angeles manufacturer,
Revatex Inc., was experiencing what its founders, Milo and Jacques Revah,
called "exponential growth." The company opened a JNCO retail store on
Melrose Avenue and was making plans to open more.


        On a recent afternoon, the salespeople outnumbered the customers in
the funky Melrose boutique. There were plenty of wide-leg jeans for sale --
and also other styles, such as bell-bottoms with embroidery on the legs, and
narrower pants in denim and twill. An employee at the store says there won't
be any clearance sales, because the store has a policy of never holding
sales. JNCO officials didn't return repeated calls seeking comment.


        Retailers and other designers say JNCOs are victims of their own
success. Once the wide-leg look went mainstream, teen trendsetters --
arbiters of hip among their peers and, thus, the most influential fashion
customers -- abandoned rave pants.


        When predicting trends, it all comes down to batting average, says
Marty Samuels, vice president of marketing for Quiksilver Inc., another
manufacturer of wide-leg pants. It takes getting "eight, nine or ten out of
ten choices right."


        In addition to rave pants, Quiksilver, based in Costa Mesa, Calif.,
also emphasized other sportswear so it wouldn't have too much hanging on one
style's popularity, Mr. Samuels says. The other styles weren't all winners,
he acknowledges. "We were believing in a corduroy pant last year and took a
huge position on it, and then we had bazillions of them to liquidate," Mr.
Samuels recalls. Halter tops were another miscalculation.


        In hindsight, rave pants had some problems. The pants -- some as
wide as 60 inches, wide enough to fit over the head -- just weren't
practical. Skateboarders credited with starting the trend quickly began to
look for something narrower. "They weren't utilitarian enough," says Janine
Lopiano-Misdom, co-founder of New York trend-research firm Sputnik. "You
can't ride in them."


        In the teen fashion market, there is a hierarchy of brands; when it
comes to pants, subtle differences in leg widths dictate what's cool and
what's not. Certain crowds go for different looks. In rave dance clubs,
wide-leg pants are still integral fashion components. But for the trendiest
teens, as soon as the wide-leg look began appearing in major retail chains,
it was over.


        Federated Department Stores Inc., which owns Macy's and other
department stores, says it stopped reordering wide-leg pants before the
back-to-school season last year. Instead, says John Fowler, Federated's
men's fashion director, we "bought in faster to the cargo and utility
trend."


        Federated's Bloomingdale's stopped carrying ultrawide-leg pants last
spring. "They were very successful, but they were basically a fad as opposed
to a style," said Kal Ruttenstein, senior vice president for fashion
direction.


        A few specialty retailers that cater to teens took note and stopped
ordering rave pants in time. "When it hits main stores in the mall, it's
time for us to move on," Betsy McLachlan, senior vice president of
merchandising at Pomona, Calif., retailer Hot Topic Inc.


        Hot Topic bought its rave pants from Kik Wear International Inc.,
Los Angeles. Last year, rave pants helped Kik Wear double sales to $18.8
million. This year, the company's production of the pants is less than half
what it was at its peak last winter. Taking rave pants' place are pinstripes
and polyester pants with narrower legs.


        "Consumer tastes are changing," says Alex Berenson, Kik Wear's
president and owner. "In some cases they have a closet full of wide-leg
pants, and they don't need another unless it's really special."






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>Well, I agree for the most part. Ae/gescom, mu-ziq, etc.
>aren't exactly cutting edge, but that doesn't mean there
>aren't people out there doing interesting stuff.

Well, who is cutting the edge then? I'm not talking about good
music, but who taking it beyond where it has been before...
I am probably the biggest vogel freak anybody knows, but
he is only cutting the edge of dance tekkno (4/4 stuff...)..
He pushes the boundaries FAR, but not the boundaries of electronic
music as a whole..

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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In a message dated 2/1/99 10:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, sho@spies.com
writes:

> 1) You're right that Front 242 is more like a traditional
>     band, while Klinik is pure electronica.  Don't know
>     anything about suicide commando. 

well... front 242 does have a pretty straight forward beat... like techno,
might be a few people in the group, but except for vocals... they are all
electronic... 
 
>  2) Industrial dance music is part of the history of
>     techno. Case in point, I remember Alan Oldham (aka DJ
>     T1000) once telling me a story of how he and Jeff Mills
>     were at a Front 242 concert years and years ago, and how
>     Jeff was all excited about it, saying, "I wanna make
>     music like that.."  Soon after that, he and Mad Mike
>     created Underground Resistance. Go figure.

well... i know kraftwerk is highly regarded in the techno scene... and of
course electro... but they are also sighted as one forefathers to industrial,
synth pop, they got good play time in discos... they were well regarded in
electronic genres... everything kinda spawned out of the same little hole

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In a message dated 2/2/99 12:31:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, api@snsworld.net
writes:

>  http://www.execpc.com/~nyx/methad/meth1.html
>  >
>  > eeeeeewwwwww.
>  
>  Reminds me of an afterparty in Southwest Ohio!  :-P


see were the trend setters for junkies everywhere!!! 

Gabe

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>umm have u ever tried to beat match old disco rekkids???


No.. but my friend John V in canton ohio does...

o0o[qiB.]o0o






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In a message dated 2/1/99 9:38:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:
 
>  >front 242, klinik, suicide commando  
>  People spin this shit? Ohh.. you mean club djs, right?
>  This is band oriented music... not pure electronics ala the three
>  groups I mentioned.. they go with industrial in the rock market
>  IMHO (most people who buy this buy rock as well...)

so multiple people doing music together makes it a band? aren't live pa's with
more than one member a band then? atomic babies, skylab 2000, unit park, and
dubtribe would be band oriented music then?

as far people who buy rock? that well, is debatable... lot of people who buy
this buy techno and jungle as well... just what a listener also buyes doesn't
take a group out of a catagory of style... i mean... i know some metal heads
that love Rob Gee, does that make him heavy metal? i know some hip hop fans
that like Goldie... does that make him hip hop?
  
>  Humm.. seem to me this *IS* industrial.. well, front 242 anywayz..
>  what is the difference?

i wondered this myself a lot too... cause it seems some bands are labeled as
both... ebm is like synth pop meets electro in a way... with an industrial
twist... another great musical hybrid i suppose

>  >not all industrial is guitars... most american industrial is metal with a
>  >sampler
>  still band music.. with this logic, you could bring up Devo and
>  flock of seagulls...

so we have established that dubtribe, atomic babies, unit park, and skylab
2000 are bands, that play band music... 

>  >>  Hip hop without vocals would be group 2, otherwise it doesn't count
>  >>  (different market)..
>  >
>  >why? lots of house music has vocals... look at dajae...  
>  I try not to, she sucks ;)... seriously though.. Hip hop with vocals
>  (aka rap) has the primary thrust upon the vocal content, the vocal
>  presence in house/jungle ect.. is secondary. 

yeah, but the beat holds it together, were the focus lies does really
matter... so what would be diva house be? that is focused on the fat lady
squealling like a pig on the mic? would it be the heir to whitney houston and
mariah carey?

>  As my friend who just
>  read this message stated "In dead Kennedy's trax, the music is
>  their to complement the vocal messages. in tekkno, it is the other
>  way around.. it isn't the most prominent aspect"... Certain elements
>  define a genere... house, even with vocals, is defined as dance
>  music, and what makes this so is the beat.. the primary aspect..

well, would your friend jump and thrash around to just a guy talking? it may
just be to compliment it, but it wouldn't be punk with out the band, it would
be spoken word... it is a vital element, there or not... it is just as
definative
  
>  >call me a heretic.. but i don't really think those guys are that cutting
>  >edge.. .maybe they used to be... but everyone sounds like them or they
>  >sound like everyone else  
>  I could care less what you think of them, I don't love IDM much
>  myself (too soulful for me).. but the fact remains that they are
>  pushing an envelope further than most.. 

well... so it would appear... but, i don't see much pushing going on... no one
has really tried to break the boundries of their genre... like i said safe
little walls... and it also depends what aspect you credit them for pushing
further... every genre has had some producers jump and do some really amazing
things in their tracks, that, if you didn't follow that genre, you wouldn't
think a big deal... maybe it is the fact that IDM isn't played as much as
house or techno... and maybe doesn't bear any close resemblance to the
others... but... it is still electronica... just cause it doesn't appear to
fit, doesn't mean it won't

>  Black people sit on the
>  front of the bus everyday, but does that discredit rosa parks
>  for taking that first stand?

my friend drives a Volkswagon Beetle, does he praise Adolf Hitler every day
for having the foresight to demand the principles of its design? 

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In a message dated 2/1/99 6:12:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

>  So women are not creative, hence their absence in the field?

you said it not me ;)

>  You seem to be stating, with your logic cited above, that the
>  cards fall where they are ... that men control things, not because
>  of some kinda conspiratorial agenda (even a subconsciously
>  rooted agenda) but because they are better and that is how it is?
>  Some skewered version of Darwinian superhumanism ??

people who want to do something will make the sacrafice to do it, female or
male... but i don't think easing up on some one because of gender is right,
nor do i think that being harder on someone because of gender is right either

it is all about motivation... what sacrifices are you willing to make to do
something? decide you want to do something, and work for it... i have heard my
farm born parents and grandparents belt that line at me and my sister for
years... it sunk in on her years ago, and it paying off for her now... i only
started to realize that statement is right a year ago...

hard work and determination do it... you make your own luck... and any other
cliche you wanna plop in works too
  
>  BULLSHIT... look around you mate, we need equal opportunity...
>  many potentially good track producers don't get into shit
>  because they feel their
>  gender has little to do with it... hence my post...

i never said anything about equal oppertunity... i think record a&r's can
recognize good music when they hear it regardless... and if they are gonna
hold it against you, then you sent it to the wrong label... hell, if they put
it because of that you sent it to the wrong label... cause that costs you
respect as an artist... you shouldn't base your whole chance to put a record
out because of one label... that is just dumb...

i am sorry, but i don't see anyone go, wow, that is a kick ass track, but she
has tits... tits are meant to bounce to music, and not be on the writer of the
music...


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>>#1.. do you have a computer, if so.. what?
>>#2... do you have money ;)... lots of money =)...
>
>Fuck that. I say ghetto! Good tracks can be made using cheap equipment. I
>use Cakewalk for DOS, which runs on an XT which I bought for $25, and I use
>a Casio FZ-1 sampler.

That is still lots of money, factor in cables and a mixer.. and
effex.. and signal processor (ya ya.. they are effex, I know..
but I mean shit like compressors for synths)...

at least $500.. if you're a gear whore... factor in ALLOT more...
If somebody doesn't want to write cut and paste d&b, then the
polyphony on your casio box would be shot in notime
at all....

btw- you DO write good trax.. I ment to comment on this a long
time ago (kultbox #2 !!!!!.. nice)... Also note, I mentioned she
(well, anybody) could use modfiles as well.. I'm not a fascist in
regards to how you write trax...

One item I forgot to mention, contrary to popular belief.. track
production is allot cheaper than being a professional dj...

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o

>And you can make ANY type of music you want using a tracker on your
>computer, which is FREE, and will run on anything 386 and over.

I mentioned that at the bottom of my message.. please read
everything before you slam me...






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>>Fuck that. I say ghetto! Good tracks can be made using cheap equipment.
>
>i agree.  its not how much gear you have or how much you spend getting
>it.  its about getting the most out of what you have....especially what
>little gear you might have.


Umm.. it is about sound, interface and limitations...

To get a full sound pallet, you need more gear... to get the interface
you love, you'll have to shop around (thank god I don't have a thing
for old x0x interfaces ;)... inorder to get over sound limitations,
you need more gear and money...

>time and time again, i've heard great tracks from people who have maybe
>four or five pieces of beatup secondhand gear.  and it is consistantly
>better music that stuff produced by people who have twenty keyboards or
>other fancy new shit.


This is highly subjective... I agree 99% of the time, but a beaten up
second hand 909 still goes for over $700...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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			      DJ Brisk 
                         Next Generation/UK
                   Happy Hardcore's biggest DJ and
                producer, Brisk has released some of
                the biggest HH tunes ever! Don't miss
                  his first ever Midwest appearence.

[taken from the Detonate flyer: 4.10]

one question here:  how can brisk's "first ever Midwest appearance" be on
the 10th of april in chicago when he's spinning at FUNKY CHARMZ (see
michael n craig's post) on 3.6 in minneapolis???

just a little thought for you promoters out there over-hypin' yer
parties...

**P*L*U*R**
(and lots of it!)

Prasad


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okay, i thought everyone might want to see one of the absolute funniest damned
pages i have ever seen... 

www.realhamster.com

i suggest checking out the video in the studio section

hahahaha

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Hey! If anyone's awake right now, DNA & Charlie B are doing a live set on the
radio in Sacramento, and they're broadcasting vis RealAudio.

http://home.pacbell.net/dr_xeno/t-ie.html

Follow the links and have fun!

Chris

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>people who want to do something will make the sacrafice to do it, female or
>male...

So why are not allot more females involved with the scene?
chance? they just don't wanna?

>but i don't think easing up on some one because of gender is right,


I never said that, I just said we need more females taking a
stand on the music they listen to...

>nor do i think that being harder on someone because of gender is >right
either


Can you requote me saying this... please....

>decide you want to do something, and work for it... i have heard my
>farm born parents and grandparents belt that line at me and my sister for
>years... it sunk in on her years ago, and it paying off for her now...

Helen keller said this as well, then retracted the statement after
livening in the world longer (she became a socialist.. find that in a
high school history textbook ;).. The fact is, this is a patriarchal
WHITE society at the *moment*.. Need I say more?
Ok, I will ;)... whether the discrimination is conscious or
subconscious, it exists... and people get psychologically fucked by
a society that feeds them stimuli all their life that tells them
they are not capable... Many people don't realize this reality to NOT
be true.. so people like me, gloria stinum, rosa parks, lenny bruce
(ect) tell them so...


>i am sorry, but i don't see anyone go, wow, that is a kick ass track, but
she
>has tits... tits are meant to bounce to music, and not be on the writer of
the
>music...


I'm not talking about that.. My reality isn't filled with 1,000s of
hard working female track producers being kept under the iron
hand of the man.. but many girls don't think they can do shit like
this.. why? you tell me... the fact remains that more of us (men)
exist than more of them.. once again, you tell me why...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>one question here:  how can brisk's "first ever Midwest appearance" be on
>the 10th of april in chicago when he's spinning at FUNKY CHARMZ (see
>michael n craig's post) on 3.6 in minneapolis???

cos funky charmz didn't get announced til just now



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an excessively wealthy man finds out that he's got an inoperable brain
tumour and is going to die... when conventional doctors are unable to
help him he turns to the black market.  He's told that when the time
comes he'll get a call and a price and that he should keep a surplus of
cash close at hand at all times.
early one sunday morning the call comes...
"a couple got hit by a drunk driver... our salvage team got there first
and we've got two brains for you to choose from... their both in great
shape... the man's brain is $100,000 and the woman's brain is $30,000..
think about what you want, we're on our way to pick you up".
with that they hang up the phone..
as he sits and waits he wonders why the man's brain is more expensive..
and it begins to nag at him... we're past this sort of sexism, aren't
we??
when they come to the door he's nearly in a rage... "people are people!"
he shouts at them "if both brains are in great shape how come a man's
brain is worth more than a woman's??"
the doctor's look at him and say...
"numb skull... the woman's brain is used."

--
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confused about the concept of "artful" trainwrecking?

anxious to hear electronic music and turntable artistry pushed to its
farthest artistic limits?

then write us now to recieve a FREE copy of 

"chrise vs dj dica
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this revolutionary genre-crossing set was recorded in the fall of 1997, but
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the tape _IS_ free and we are serious.  myself and dj dica will continue to
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On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 02:02:22 -0500 (EST) *!!prAsAd!!*
<livnfour@engin.umich.edu> writes:
>
>			      DJ Brisk 
>                         Next Generation/UK
>                   Happy Hardcore's biggest DJ and
>                producer, Brisk has released some of
>                the biggest HH tunes ever! Don't miss
>                  his first ever Midwest appearence.
>
>[taken from the Detonate flyer: 4.10]
>
>one question here:  how can brisk's "first ever Midwest appearance" be 
>on
>the 10th of april in chicago when he's spinning at FUNKY CHARMZ (see
>michael n craig's post) on 3.6 in minneapolis???
>
>just a little thought for you promoters out there over-hypin' yer
>parties...
>
>**P*L*U*R**
>(and lots of it!)
>
>Prasad
>
>

I suspect that the promoters in Chicago either booked him first, or were
unaware that he was playing in Minneapolis.
I can say for sure that the flyers for Detonate were out first.  Also,
the Detonate promoters are trustworthy and wouldn't intentionally make a
false claim.

	Joe
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>so multiple people doing music together makes it a band? aren't live pa's
with
>more than one member a band then? atomic babies, skylab 2000, unit park,
and
>dubtribe would be band oriented music then?


Uhh... *slaps forehead*.. we are talking about music markets,
remember? They are not in a dominant electronic market..

sure, they are electronic to a degree (not 100%) but they are
not in a genere with other groups that place the emphasis on this..
(key word is emphasis)

>as far people who buy rock? that well, is debatable...

my point with that statement was what I mentioned in the
paragraph above...

>>  >not all industrial is guitars... most american industrial is metal with
a
>>  >sampler
>>  still band music.. with this logic, you could bring up Devo and
>>  flock of seagulls...
>
>so we have established that dubtribe, atomic babies, unit park, and skylab
>2000 are bands, that play band music...


yes, but we are arguing semantics... what I ment by band was
rock band mentality, something different from the tekkno band
mentality.. we come back to the emphasis placed on the various
aspects of the music... in tekkno, all bits of the song
are equal.. this equality does not exists in most rock...

The emphasis is not squarely on the electronic in these generes..

>>  >>  Hip hop without vocals would be group 2, otherwise it doesn't count
>>  >>  (different market)..
>>  >
>>  >why? lots of house music has vocals... look at dajae...
>>  I try not to, she sucks ;)... seriously though.. Hip hop with vocals
>>  (aka rap) has the primary thrust upon the vocal content, the vocal
>>  presence in house/jungle ect.. is secondary.
>
>yeah, but the beat holds it together, were the focus lies does really
>matter... so what would be diva house be? that is focused on the fat lady
>squealling like a pig on the mic? would it be the heir to whitney houston
and
>mariah carey?


The emphasis of diva house is still the beats, the vocals are almost
always secondary.. it is generated to be dance music, so the
point is kind unarguable... the dominant factor of the genere...

even with trax that have vocals thought the mix, they do not
have the same emphasis (that word again ;) as vocals in a
fugazi album...


>well, would your friend jump and thrash around to just a guy talking?

Possibly, even been to a jello spoken word concert?

>it may
>just be to compliment it, but it wouldn't be punk with out the band, >it
would
>be spoken word... it is a vital element, there or not... it is just as
>definative


but the key word again is the emphasis, the dominant aspect of
the message...


>well... so it would appear... but, i don't see much pushing going on... no
one
>has really tried to break the boundries of their genre...

it is a very loose genere.. what are these walls you speak of?
what modern idm have you heard? Slab Boom Van Loom?

>but... it is still electronica... just cause it doesn't appear to
>fit, doesn't mean it won't


Man, you are arguing genere classifications, we stated by
discussing markets, remember? they are electronica... but not
in the dominant market (dj culture)..

>>  Black people sit on the
>>  front of the bus everyday, but does that discredit rosa parks
>>  for taking that first stand?
>
>my friend drives a Volkswagon Beetle, does he praise Adolf Hitler every day
>for having the foresight to demand the principles of its design?

He should if he enjoys the machine... eitherway, the
principles of design wouldn't have been created by adolf..
he was way to busy at this time to engage in such activities, and
a wee bit under skilled..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>Hi..

Hey...

>Just to clear up any confusion...
>
>1) You're right that Front 242 is more like a traditional
>   band, while Klinik is pure electronica.  Don't know
>   anything about suicide commando.


Ok.. thanx..

>2) Industrial dance music is part of the history of
>   techno. Case in point, I remember Alan Oldham (aka DJ
>   T1000) once telling me a story of how he and Jeff Mills
>   were at a Front 242 concert
[*KLIP*]

Granted, but let us not confuse influences with direct connections..
front242 could have just as easily been replaced with madonna
or the residents in that example...

the fact remains that ritchie hawtin would be out of a job if
electronic music didn't originate, but many industrial groups
could as easily release an unplugged (or e-guitar filled) album...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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Really interesting comments from the FCC considering that some friends of mine
who put together Free Radio Memphis which ran at 94.7fm (i think that was it)
have been shut down twice now by the FCC.  However, the last time the charge
was theft of power since they were in a school parking garage.  Perhaps the
FCC is starting to realize that it can be difficult to deny someone their
rights when they want to use them publicly?

Mage

P.S.  Btw my name's Erik Jones outta Memphis.  Been on the list for about a
week now, mostly lurking, couple of posts here and there.  If anyone ever
needs to know anything about Memphis or anything else they think I can help
with let me know.

>
>
> Interesting and suprising comments coming from the FCC (Freespeech Control
> Commission)...  I'm sure some of you have looked into pirate radio at
> some point.
>
> -eric
>
> >From edupage:
>
> FCC PLAN FOR LOW-POWER FM STATIONS
> The Federal Communications Commission is proposing a plan that would
> facilitate the creation of hundreds or thousands of new low-cost FM radio
> stations with a broadcast range between 2 to 18 miles in diameter.
> Technological advances have reduced the cost of the equipment needed for
> such operations to just a few hundred dollars.  The National Association
> of Broadcasters opposes the plan, saying it would likely cause
> "devastating" interference to existing broadcasters.  An NAB executive
> said:  "We love the First Amendment.  But if everyone owns a radio
> station, then nobody can hear."  The FCC's response is:  "We cannot deny
> opportunities to those who want to use the airwaves to speak to their
> communities simply because it might be inconvenient for those who already
> have these opportunities."(New York Times 29 Jan 99)
>
> ************************************************************
> Edupage, 31 January 1999. Edupage, a summary of news about information
> technology, is provided three times a week as a service of EDUCAUSE,
> an international nonprofit association dedicated to transforming higher
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I've been watching this thread progress, and while most of any long thread is
just nitpicking, I'll add my 2 pennies...

I've got an old mix of Grandmaster Flash. He couldn't beatmatch to save his
life, but he had the energy and skills to keep the mix interesting and danceable.

I've been spinning ambient/downtempo/experimental music now for about 4 years.
It was a conscious choice by me back then NOT to beatmatch. I spent about a
month once learning to beatmatch and then threw it away. The reason: it had no
purpose for me and the type of music I was playing. I also felt that if I
consciously avoided beatmatching, I would develop different styles and ways of
mixing that would be more interesting, and would lead me down new paths of
experimentation with sound.

Now, with ambient music, a smooth mix is still an essential part of the
musical progression, but there are other ways of creating a smooth mix without
beatmatching. I won't go into techniques, but the point of the post is: If we
are to be a progressive "scene", we need to keep questioning our status quo
and reaching as far out as we can in order to progress. Of course, this is
America's biggest fault. Even in our little "enlightened" scene, we still
follow market trends, whether we realize it or not.

I read a quote once that kind of fits in here. "Don't do art just because you
can. Do it because you HAVE to."

Of course, with dance music, it's a completely different story. But who says
all of our music has to be dance music?   ;)

j-Sun
-- 
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C. Jason Clark/Strange Loop
Music, Event, & Project Info:  http://strangeloop.nu
Next Events:
hometown.heroes.1.0: February 27, 1999, Louisville
An Evening with Dubtribe: March 26, 1999, Louisville
_______________________________________________________

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At 01:43 2-2-99 -0500, you wrote:

>That is still lots of money, factor in cables and a mixer.. and
>effex.. and signal processor (ya ya.. they are effex, I know..
>but I mean shit like compressors for synths)...

You're right, but then again even $2000 is not a whole lot of money when
you're buying music equipment. Compressors are nice, but not necessary. I
have never used them. I always suggest starting out with a cheap sampler
when someone asks me for advice.

>at least $500..

Oh yes, at LEAST that. I was actually already leaning more towards $1000
when I suggested what I suggested. (What did you suggest then? :)

>If somebody doesn't want to write cut and paste d&b, then the polyphony on
>your casio box would be shot in notime at all....

You're right about that, too. I keep having to work my way around that, but
that causes me to be creative with what I have. And the Casio's filters are
NIIIICE. Extremely dirty.

>>And you can make ANY type of music you want using a tracker on your
>>computer, which is FREE, and will run on anything 386 and over.

>I mentioned that at the bottom of my message.. please read
>everything before you slam me...

Don't worry, mister, I wasn't slagging you. I just saw your post as a
chance to air my thoughts on cheap gear and trackers.

Frank

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Friday, March 26, 1999
Louisville, KY

Strange Loop, Project 7, and Untranslatable Concept proudly present

An Evening with Dubtribe and friends...

with DJ sets by:

Moonbeam Jones
--of dubtribe sound system,
--spinning bossanova, 
--ambient, & hip hop

Sunshine Jones
--of dubtribe sound system,
--spinning deep house, 
--disco, & techno

Cosmic Jason
--direct from England
--spinning funky disco 
--& stompin house

followed by
an extended
live
performance
by the one
and only

---------------------
Dubtribe Sound System
---------------------

closing out the night will be a very special
live downtempo set by louisville’s own

.strange.loop. aka jason.clark


Information and Directions:
(502) 569-1757
http://strangeloop.nu
http://imperialdub.com
LIMITED TICKETS AVAILABLE.
PLEASE PURCHASE YOUR TICKETS IN ADVANCE TO ENSURE ENTRY.
Keep in touch with the voicemail for information.
Anyone willing to pass out flyers to spread the word,
please get in touch.

electronic culture is maturing. everything in the underground is undergoing a
major shift. new people, ideas, intentions, and musics are infiltrating a
space which was once a comfortable hiding place from the outside world. it is
our duty to welcome these new people and ideas with open arms, but educate
them about our culture. a "scene" that can at times seem shallow and glitzy
holds a wonderful and beautiful secret. we're combining the technology of the
modern age with the deepest needs of the human race - to gather, to dance, and
to celebrate our existance in the universe. sometimes daily worries and
hassles can blind us to the fact that our very existance is worthy of awe and
wonder. so we gather together, we dance together, and we reach a place of
serenity within ourselves. a place of love, compassion, and understanding
which we can take into our daily lives and share with everyone around us. this
is not religion. this is the human condition.

no one knows this better than dubtribe sound system. they have been a part of
the rave scene for as long as it's been around. with their soulful and
spiritual blend of house grooves, percussionists, and soaring voices, they
have managed to secure their place in the scene as a group who can get the
crowd moving together as one, and understand the message of the dance: WE ARE ONE.

we hope you can make it to this very special night. this will be dubtribe
sound system’s only date in the lower midwest, and this will not be an event
to miss. 

peace and love, strange loop, project 7, and untranslatable concept

-- 
_______________________________________________________
C. Jason Clark/Strange Loop
Music, Event, & Project Info:  http://strangeloop.nu
Next Events:
hometown.heroes.1.0: February 27, 1999, Louisville
An Evening with Dubtribe: March 26, 1999, Louisville
DreamFest '99: Summer 1999  :)
_______________________________________________________

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my opinion on this is more is not necessarily better in terms of keyboards,
sequencing, sampling gear, whatever but if you are going to release records on
a consumer market, they'd better sound good....I mean proper eq'ing,
compression, mastering, etc.  so you have a finished product that works and
that people want to hear....I mean you could have the next stardust or
whatever but if it is tinny and sounds like shit through everyone's speakers,
and doesnt have a full slamming sound, then why bother releasing it?  I mean I
know people who have made records from start to finish on some bullshit
program like fasttracker, and then run them through the proper equipment and
made them sound great and had them properly mastered and they work....and then
I have seen people who may have $5000-$6000 of the best keyboards, samplers,
etc.  who are still mixing through some dj mixer or some beat up piece of crap
and can't get something to sound good for the life of them.....so you have to
decide what you want to do with what you produce....I mean I am not saying
spend all of your money on outboard sound processing gear, but don't skimp in
that area either....or else find someone who has the gear that will help you
mix down your tracks onto a DAT or other consumer format.... and that means
good EQ, compression (sometimes), a mixer with a clean sound and high signal
to noise ratio or a digital mixer, and good monitoring (don't be trying to mix
down a record through some home stereo crap or PA speakers, because they color
the sound and you'll miss ALOT)
peace, d

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I've been resistimg the urge to chime in on this but I must.  Ed Luna
was right, after all, he is the Mr. Rogers of techno.  
I heard this Jason Clark guy(a.k.a. Strange Loop) play at a small club
in Louisville called Sparks on Friday night.  I was one of about five
people in the room.  He didn't beat match once.  He used voice only
records, abstract noize, funky tracks, and everything in between.  He
took me on an excellent mental journey.  It was the most original and
inspiring set I've heard in a long, long time.  He even played "The
Rainbow Connection" by Kermit from the muppet movie.  It was
ingenious!  We don't realize how boring immacuately matched beats can
be until we hear something different.  Mad props to Jason and bless
him for bringing Dubtribe to my hometown.  
Much Love and Massive Hugz,
willebear




---jason clark <jason@strangeloop.nu> wrote:
>
> I've been watching this thread progress, and while most of any long
thread is
> just nitpicking, I'll add my 2 pennies...
> 
> I've got an old mix of Grandmaster Flash. He couldn't beatmatch to
save his
> life, but he had the energy and skills to keep the mix interesting
and danceable.
> 
> I've been spinning ambient/downtempo/experimental music now for
about 4 years.
> It was a conscious choice by me back then NOT to beatmatch. I spent
about a
> month once learning to beatmatch and then threw it away. The reason:
it had no
> purpose for me and the type of music I was playing. I also felt that
if I
> consciously avoided beatmatching, I would develop different styles
and ways of
> mixing that would be more interesting, and would lead me down new
paths of
> experimentation with sound.
> 
> Now, with ambient music, a smooth mix is still an essential part of
the
> musical progression, but there are other ways of creating a smooth
mix without
> beatmatching. I won't go into techniques, but the point of the post
is: If we
> are to be a progressive "scene", we need to keep questioning our
status quo
> and reaching as far out as we can in order to progress. Of course,
this is
> America's biggest fault. Even in our little "enlightened" scene, we
still
> follow market trends, whether we realize it or not.
> 
> I read a quote once that kind of fits in here. "Don't do art just
because you
> can. Do it because you HAVE to."
> 
> Of course, with dance music, it's a completely different story. But
who says
> all of our music has to be dance music?   ;)
> 
> j-Sun
> -- 
> _______________________________________________________
> C. Jason Clark/Strange Loop
> Music, Event, & Project Info:  http://strangeloop.nu
> Next Events:
> hometown.heroes.1.0: February 27, 1999, Louisville
> An Evening with Dubtribe: March 26, 1999, Louisville
> _______________________________________________________
> 



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Wassup?


This is Luke Monteiro again, I was in St Louis this weekend, and I 
liked the city a lot, I wonder who the main promoters are right
now, I have talked to Toby before, but I dont know if he is still 
throwing parties, anyways, I have a promo pack ready, which 
includes my latest mixtape + promo material from 2 DJ's from 
Stockholm, Sweden, and I would like to share this with some 
promoters, especially people from St Louis..interested in pushing 
the local scene, I fly for free anywhere in the USA, and our rates 
are reasonable..I guess :P..Peace..

Luke Monteiro-H o u s t o n, T e x a s-
Progressive Theories-1-281-812-2541 

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now online...  and still under construction.

http://www.rocmuzik.com

What is ROCMUZIK? - only the EDEN for the breakbeat dynasty. An online
'zine and organization dedicated to the betterment and growth of broken
beat dance music and technology. If it's based on da phunky beats, you'll
find it at ROCMUZIK... 'cause you gotz ta git up ta git down and we're
phatter than yer grammie's underpants.


NEXT ROCMUZIK? OUTBOUND event:

	thursday:feb:11th:99

	featuring a VERY special guest dj spot from metamorphic/resdiual
	recording artist...

	- T I T O N T O N   D U V A N T E

	[ bringing back the haiku drum'n'bass style on tha 1'a and 2's]

	along side ROCMUZIK? resdients:

	- K E V Y   K E V   [ the big beat breakcore badboy ]

	- P O P P A   H O P P   [ the karmageddon beat destroyer ]

	admission:
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	admission to ROCMUZIK? is $3 before midnight and $4 after
	( flyer has a misprint on admission price )

	18 and over welcome. doors open at 10pm


	location:
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	ROCMUZIK? resides twice monthly at CHELSIE's
	980 north high street ( at 2nd ave ) in the short north of
	columbus. ohio

	for a map check out: http://www.rocmuzik.com/chelsie'sMAP.html



FUTURE ROCMUZIK? OUTBOUNDS:  feb 25th, two dates in march.

for more updated info call 614.780.8044 and stay tuned to
http://www.rocmuzik.com for event updates, dj profiles,
underground news and 12" reviews from the world of the
broken phunky beats.
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now online...  and still under construction.


http://www.rocmuzik.com


What is <bold>ROCMUZIK?</bold> - only the EDEN for the breakbeat
dynasty. An online 'zine and organization dedicated to the betterment
and growth of broken beat dance music and <bold>techno</bold>logy. If
it's based on da phunky beats, you'll find it at
<bold>ROCMUZIK</bold>... 'cause you gotz ta git up ta git down and
we're phatter than yer grammie's underpants. 



NEXT <bold>ROCMUZIK?</bold> OUTBOUND event:


	thursday:feb:11th:99


	featuring a VERY special guest dj spot from metamorphic/resdiual

	recording artist...


	<bold><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><bigger><bigger>- T I T O N
T O N   D U V A N T E


	</bigger></bigger></fontfamily></bold>[ bringing back the haiku
drum'n'bass style on tha 1'a and 2's]


	along side ROCMUZIK? resdients:


	<bold><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><bigger><bigger>- K E V Y  
K E V</bigger></bigger></fontfamily></bold>   [ the big beat breakcore
badboy ]


	<bold><fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param><bigger><bigger>- P O P P A 
 H O P P</bigger></bigger></fontfamily></bold>   [ the karmageddon beat
destroyer ]


	admission:

	---------	

	admission to <bold>ROCMUZIK?</bold> is $3 before midnight and $4
after

	( flyer has a misprint on admission price )


	18 and over welcome. doors open at 10pm



	location:

	---------

	<bold>ROCMUZIK?</bold> resides twice monthly at CHELSIE's

	980 north high street ( at 2nd ave ) in the short north of

	columbus. ohio


	for a map check out: http://www.rocmuzik.com/chelsie'sMAP.html




FUTURE <bold>ROCMUZIK?</bold> OUTBOUNDS:  feb 25th, two dates in
march.


for more updated info call 614.780.8044 and stay tuned to 

http://www.rocmuzik.com for event updates, dj profiles, 

underground news and 12" reviews from the world of the 

broken phunky beats.

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I just went to the Soul Theology website and looked at the flyer,
which caused a bit of confusion for me...
Is "Teo" the same dj as "Thee-o?" The house/trance/techno dj w/
Biohazard productions?

Just curious, 
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I was just thinking that it would bite a lot to be DJ Rap and to read 
all these comments on the list about how much your DJ'ing sucks and how 
you only get gigs b/c of your looks.  I mean personally I've neither 
heard nor seen Ms. Rap so I can't truly comment on her quality (in 
either sense).  But I was just thinking it would suck bad to be her 
right now.. I'm talking it would suck donkey dork and such.  Wow, I'm 
sure glad I'm not a good looking female DJ who onlygets booked for 
parties because she is good looking and really has very little DJ 
ability.  *phew*

Ethan
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>
>> A really good dj is Dj Rap and she is really hot  same with Dj Heaven 
>
>dunno about heaven... but Rap?
>
>hahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa.
>
>please.
>
>she is hot though.
>jd
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Hmmm.. I still Like Engineers With Out Fear...

That Get Raw Track and Intelligent Woman.

Phil...who doesn't

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I'm just curious how many peepz are currently in a band or compose music
other than electronica???
I currently play in a hardcore/grindcore punk band and would be
interested in speaking with others that have experience in a band
situation about the effect and influence that their band has on other
musical aspects in their life.  Thanx.

Jake

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I got a flyer for " A Touch Of Jazz" w/ Dj Jazzy Jeff.  was in fort wayne, IN
last weekend,, Jann 30th.   did it happen? did ne1 go?

GabE

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"techno has all of those blips and beeps that make me want to dance on my
toes... house makes everyone do that 'walking in place' thing... jungle is
sorta like moving your hands all over your body w/o actually touching
yourself... and happy hardcore is kinda like everyone is in fast forward."
  - BeCcA*

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>Federated's Bloomingdale's stopped carrying ultrawide-leg pants last
>spring. "They were very successful, but they were basically a fad as 
>opposed to a style," said Kal Ruttenstein, senior vice president for 
>fashion direction.

AH FUCK...You mean it was justa fad...and I thought I was in style 
too...Anybody wanna buy some kikwears or some jnco crime scene's...I 
gotta go get some "non-denim, sleeker styles: drawstring pants, 
carpenter pants, and multipocketed cargo pants."...I guess it's a good 
thing that I'm into "rave dance clubs"

one other thing...

>several years ago, Gadzooks had trouble selling red-leather, 
>multizippered, Michael Jackson-style jackets at $299 apiece; it >marked 
them down within weeks to $4.99

where the fuck were those??? I missed them...I want one...

peace
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In a message dated 99-02-02 13:26:18 EST, senorlululalo@juno.com writes:

<< I'm just curious how many peepz are currently in a band or compose music
 other than electronica??? >>

I'm play piano and I'm a vocalist....does that count? I am not in a band
though.

Lisa*

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Too bad phat pants have become the rave uniform. Even hip-hop was able to
move forward. But I guess with any "white" youth culture the clothes won't
progress. In ten years "ravers" will still look the same - I thought this
culture was future forward? No, we must stick with huge pants forever
because without them we will no longer be ravers.

-	Chad Sommer

In no way am I saying that ravers should give up phat pants because of a
news article but it sure would be a shame if in a few years people looked at
ravers and said the same things as they say today about punks/goths and
hippies. "Would they just get over it, already its 1999".  

	-----Original Message-----
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	>Federated's Bloomingdale's stopped carrying ultrawide-leg pants
last
	>spring. "They were very successful, but they were basically a fad
as 
	>opposed to a style," said Kal Ruttenstein, senior vice president
for 
	>fashion direction.

	AH FUCK...You mean it was justa fad...and I thought I was in style 
	too...Anybody wanna buy some kikwears or some jnco crime scene's...I

	gotta go get some "non-denim, sleeker styles: drawstring pants, 
	carpenter pants, and multipocketed cargo pants."...I guess it's a
good 
	thing that I'm into "rave dance clubs"

	one other thing...

	>several years ago, Gadzooks had trouble selling red-leather, 
	>multizippered, Michael Jackson-style jackets at $299 apiece; it
>marked 
	them down within weeks to $4.99

	where the fuck were those??? I missed them...I want one...

	peace
	dylan

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>No, we must stick with huge pants forever because without them we will 
no longer be ravers.

Yeah, kinda like the hippies.  hehe

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welp me and the my girl are starting a prince paul meets the red house
painter's meets the shoegazer movement... meets tim merryweather...

rock rock.

and ya don't stop,

until
you die..............

la la la.

entro

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OK, I'm gonna get pissed off here. You can spend approximately $0 dollars
and still make music. I made my first ever song on my friends ancient mac.
I used the mic that came with his computer, then I beat on a tin can for
the drum samples. Add a little bit of my $80 guitar that I already had,
effects, cut, paste, cut, paste, and you have a big pile of shit. It
sucked, but after 3 years of practice, if I had to go back to the same
setup I could make good complex music. It fucking doesn't have to sound
like overproduced techno shit for poop's sake. You don't fucking need a
compressor. You don't need a synth. I don't even own one. I have a $50
drum machine that I don't even use because it's more fun to beat it live.
Anyways, I've got to go to class, and my last comment is that I think the
majority of musicians are FUCKING PUSSIES when it comes to experimentation
and getting the most out of what they have.

Matt
The Sunshine Ministry



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DEFINETLY!!!!!!!

I began my musical journey at the young age of 5 when I first began
learning to play piano.  I think many would agree with me when I say that
the piano is a great instrument to begin learning "the fundamentals" of
any/all type of music and just music in general.  My underlying
thought/idea is this.  I want my previous music knowledge/experiences to
better facilitate me as a dj, and I'm interested in those who are already
doing so.  Or, perhaps our musical influences just mesh together over a
period of time with no cognitive thought really occuring.  Just a
thought.

Jake


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>
>Any tips?
>
Now..why you wanna go do.that..uh do that..why you wanna go and do 
that....i dont' have any tips for you..but are you sure you wanna be a 
ho..i mean..what would you mother say.. :-O  oh dear..is what she would 
say..hehehehehhehehehhehehe



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 02 19:21:31 1999
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Matter of fact, Eddie Murphy put out a book quite a few years ago. He 
debuted it on Saturday Night Live. Rent a Best of Saturday Night Live 
tape and watch it till you find the infomercial "I Wanna Be A Ho". 
There is an 800 number. Call it. You will then be on the road to Ho 
fame. 

ricA

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>OK,

Is it?

>I'm gonna get pissed off here.

Why? aren't their better things to do with your time?

> You can spend approximately $0 dollars
>and still make music.

wOow.. I am the poster the the original message, and I said that
to begin with. After me, Eye-d said that...

this is under the assumption that these kids have computers
with soundcard....

>I made my first ever song on my friends ancient mac.
>I used the mic that came with his computer, then I beat on a tin can >for
>the drum samples.

You can download samples from the net for free as well....

>if I had to go back to the same
>setup I could make good complex music. It fucking doesn't have to sound
>like overproduced techno shit for poop's sake.

What is overproduced tekkno? You mean the stuff that sounds
professionally mastered and eq'd (i.e. stuff that sounds good)??

>You don't fucking need a
>compressor.

Yes.. You don't need a house, or a job.. you can live in the woods
and pick berries for nourishment as well.. these things are not
needed, but I have enough respect for my music to wanna make it
sound good.. It is like the old debate:

guy1: Hey, sell that tr808 and use your sampler for the drums..

guy2: but the sampler cannot capture the full clarity and body
that my tr808 has...

guy1: Fuck that, you're talking about ghosts in the machine, mate..
No cracked out party kid could tell the difference between the
two out of those idiot speakers we have at parties...

guy2: True, but I could...

I write this music for myself.. so what one needs is quite subjective.

secondly, why is everybody so up-fucking-tight about me giving
a full overview of what somebody could use to write trax?
damn..

>You don't need a synth. I don't even own one.

This is true, that is why I listed a drum machine first on the
list.. but lets not forget that not everybody in the world wants to
write your style of tekkno.. some people will need more synths than
drums.. it is all about fulfilling a vision...

>I have a $50
>drum machine that I don't even use because it's more fun to beat it live.

what? you mean you don't use the internal sequencer?.. or.. ehh.
what are you not using here?

>Anyways, I've got to go to class, and my last comment is that I think the
>majority of musicians are FUCKING PUSSIES when it comes to experimentation
>and getting the most out of what they have.


I agree with ya their...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 02 19:24:17 1999
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umm...
i'm not sure who it was that said she sucked so much (i forget).. but, i
love the tracks she produces, and i love her hard jungle mixes.  I don't
think she sucks. 
-charles-

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Ethan Lucarelli wrote:

> 
> I was just thinking that it would bite a lot to be DJ Rap and to read 
> all these comments on the list about how much your DJ'ing sucks and how 
> you only get gigs b/c of your looks.  I mean personally I've neither 
> heard nor seen Ms. Rap so I can't truly comment on her quality (in 
> either sense).  But I was just thinking it would suck bad to be her 
> right now.. I'm talking it would suck donkey dork and such.  Wow, I'm 
> sure glad I'm not a good looking female DJ who onlygets booked for 
> parties because she is good looking and really has very little DJ 
> ability.  *phew*
> 
> Ethan
> bondseer@hotmail.com
> ICQ:629161
> 
> 
> >
> >> A really good dj is Dj Rap and she is really hot  same with Dj Heaven 
> >
> >dunno about heaven... but Rap?
> >
> >hahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa.
> >
> >please.
> >
> >she is hot though.
> >jd
> >
> 
> 
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There's a GOOD chance that whoever said she sucked probably has never heard
her spin live. 'Cos that's how it is in the Midwest, everyone and everything
sucks don't cha know?

- Chad Sommer

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	umm...
	i'm not sure who it was that said she sucked so much (i forget)..
but, i
	love the tracks she produces, and i love her hard jungle mixes.  I
don't
	think she sucks. 
	-charles-

	On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Ethan Lucarelli wrote:

	> 
	> I was just thinking that it would bite a lot to be DJ Rap and to
read 
	> all these comments on the list about how much your DJ'ing sucks
and how 
	> you only get gigs b/c of your looks.  I mean personally I've
neither 
	> heard nor seen Ms. Rap so I can't truly comment on her quality (in

	> either sense).  But I was just thinking it would suck bad to be
her 
	> right now.. I'm talking it would suck donkey dork and such.  Wow,
I'm 
	> sure glad I'm not a good looking female DJ who onlygets booked for

	> parties because she is good looking and really has very little DJ 
	> ability.  *phew*
	> 
	> Ethan
	> bondseer@hotmail.com
	> ICQ:629161
	> 
	> 
	> >
	> >> A really good dj is Dj Rap and she is really hot  same with Dj
Heaven 
	> >
	> >dunno about heaven... but Rap?
	> >
	> >hahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa.
	> >
	> >please.
	> >
	> >she is hot though.
	> >jd
	> >
	> 
	> 
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>Hi kids,
>
>I've started a new mailing list. It is for the discussion of techno,
making,
>playing, whatever.  Techno here is used in the generic sense and is not
>meant to refer to a specific style.  Techno includes all forms of
>techno/house/trance/dnb/jungle/breaks etc.   It does not include dance(top
>40) or rap.  It is aimed at gearheads and discussion of equipment and
>techniques is encouraged.
>
>On topic includes:
>
>Analogue Synths
>Digital Synths
>Sequencers
>Software
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>Studio Gear
>DJ Gear
>DJ technique
>Emusic styles
>Beat construction
>Humor
>
>
>Off topic includes:
>
>Most live music styles
>Non techno music styles, including emusic, i.e. new age, rap
>Flames in general
>You are being off topic messages
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better
>than house
>
>This list is non-traditional-musician friendly.  If you feel you need to
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>or send an empty email to
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>Peace
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>
>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 02 19:58:00 1999
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Here is the post I sent one of the Rap naysayers.  Never got a response back
either:-)

I would like to add to this, that not only is she great producer/dj she is
an excellent person.  None of the ego crap all to often associated with big
name US talent.
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>HMmmmm,  this is second post I have seen questioning Raps skills.   All I
>have to say is have you ever heard her spin?  Obviously not.  She may not
be
>the best jungle dj in the world, Hype has that wrapped up tight, but she is
>very good.  Good technique and excellent crowd management.  To top it off
>she is an excellent producer.
>
>tim
>
>




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Velvet Jones wrote the book "I Wanna be a Ho".  It's the best guide I've
seen yet.  I've been charging about $500 per blow job.  It's great money and
is the type of occupation that will help build your self-esteem.  Good luck
and Happy Hoin'!
-----Original Message-----
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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 2:09 PM
Subject: [mw] I WANNA BE a ho!


>Any tips?
>


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 02 20:02:54 1999
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heheheh oh gawd
<starts singin>

"imma ho, he's a ho, she's a ho, we's sum hoes...wouldnt you like to be a ho
too?" 

gawd...bootyhouse on the brain....
i must die... 

hey if anyone has any wav files of any bootyhouse...please send them to
me....i only have one so far =P 

thankz yew* 
lauryN*

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Hearing you talk of your friend Jessie interested me.  I am admitedly 
ignorant to DJ'ing techniques, I'm one of the uninformed masses who just 
sorta dances to what sounds good, but I'd like to hear something 
different.  How could I score one of those tapes?

Ethan
bondseer@hotmail.com
ICQ:629161

>
>I fucked up my last message, please disregard that and read
>this instead..
>
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>From: [.v/jek.] <fmsci@email.msn.com>
>To: eluna <eluna@coil.com>; mwraves <mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.org>
>Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 7:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [mw] why beatmatching is evil
>
>
>>>i think beatmatching is one of the biggest obstacles this music faces
>>>right now.  in my time, i've heard hundreds of DJ sets and gotten 
dozens
>>>of mixtapes, and almost all of them have been perfectly beatmatched.  
but
>>>at the same time, almost all of them have been PERFECTLY BORING.
>>>rarely
>>>do i hear a DJ take a chance with a beat, and allow things to crash
>>>artfully as they may (this is different from "trainwrecking," mind 
you!).
>>
>>
>This is one of the many reasons I have all but gotten bored with
>modern dj culture.. Granted, fade mixing of 4/4 techno is a art unto
>itself, but when I look back upon my youth as a member of the
>burgeoning ohio electronic scene, I miss the days of rampant
>experimentalism on turntables.. Everybody from titonton to kimyon
>got freaky on the mix.. Granted, they were not very good and often
>missed the mark back then, it was entertaining to see them make the
>attempt.. With time, they perfected their trix and have become
>somewhat legendary to outsiders (odd, eh?).. This is the very
>same philosophy I put towards my own music, both as a amateur
>dj and professional musician... In fact, I have nearly given up my love 
of
>stockholm based minimal techno in favor of material
>a wee bit more difficult to mix (i.e. more intelligent vogel/ berkovi-
>esk electronics)...
>
>
>If you're interested in current, unknowns experimenting with
>abstract beat structures. you really need to hear a tape from my friend
>Jessie in Athens, he isn't the best beatmatcher around by
>any means (although he can
>do it rather well).. but he takes more gambles than
>I have ever seen ANY dj place into either their tapes or live
>sets .. He will artfully place hawtin into autechre into ventolin
>into drum and bass into stockholm techno and back into gescom/
>speedy j/ autechre based intelligance..
>
>I'm sure he would love to drop you a tape... although he isn't into
>this to become the next josh wink or anything (as far as I know,
>anyways =)...
>
>>>most DJs, in fact virtually all of them, will tell you without 
flinching
>>>that beatmatching is the most important skill to have as a DJ in the
>>>current rave scene.
>
>This is stupidity at its finest. True, beat matching is a  skill to
>have, and the most recognizable of the three skills to any
>lay person.. but programming and knowing when to cut the records
>are much stronger (IMHO) and much more impressive to
>those in the know... (or so I would think)...
>Since you know more people "In the know" than I do, is this true?
>or were you speaking of most beginning djs...
>
>Many djs I know (including myself) see the art of djing separate
>from any love for the music.. I've know many a dj (Podge, Bagel..
>ect) that love to spin.. regardless of what they are working with...
>This used to piss me off, until I understood the mentality... I
>still wouldn't compromise what I loved for the art though...
>
>just a few thoughts..
>
>tata,
>
>o0o[qiB.]o0o
>
>
>
>


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i really don't care in the slightest what the hell she does... it always has
irked me tho... when you talk of production... and someone is whoring out
optical or decoder to write tracks so they sell... i.e. the dj name will sell
the record alone. 

nothing more than ghost writers.

rap as a producer.

austin happens to engineer...

so my question...

engineer = production.

production without an engineer = silence

if you can't engineer your own production...

what does this say on someone raking in $$$ enough to accost a huge amount of
equip. and sit down and learn it.

hmmm.

entro
"yeah goldie is a nice guy... he just needs to get off his ass."

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Donuts is one of those words that isn't.  ya know what I mean.  It's 
like the word is supposed to be DoUGHnuts.. but the mass-consumer mind 
has been so deluged with the image of Dunkin' Donuts that we have 
replaced the correct spelling with the brandname.  It's just like 
referring to tissues as Kleenex, the thing is we don't call them 
Kleenex, we call them kleenex, no capitalization, the proper noun has 
become common.. man that's capitalism at work, when the brand name has 
become synonomous <sp?> with the common product, you know you've been 
brainwashed.  And don't even get me started on "Thru" and Mc"anything"

Ethan
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Why do I even waste time typing this unrelated tripe?


>...so if you are cute... like HH and donuts... e-mail me :-)


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Check out this link http://www.imperialdub.com/mol.html from the ImperialDub
website.  Very cool for those who believe we as a scene have a purpose and
future.

Much Love,
willebear
"Never rely on any drug to do for you what you can't already do for
yourself."
-Anonymous


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My experience with Big U.K. (and European) talent has all been positive.
Like you said, no ego etc. And they have all lived up to the hype. It's like
the big American DJs (for the most part) still crave a "rock star" lifestyle
including the attitude.

UK & European DJs with NO attitude:
Carl Cox
Paul Oakenfold
Dave Ralph
Darren Price (one of the coolest guys on the planet)
Gayle San
Dimitri from Amsterdam 
LTJ Bukem
Daft Punk (both Thomas and Guy Manuel)

American DJs who think they are "rock stars"
I'm not even gonna start...

-	Chad Sommer


	-----Original Message-----
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	Sent:	Tuesday, February 02, 1999 1:59 PM
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	Here is the post I sent one of the Rap naysayers.  Never got a
response back
	either:-)

	I would like to add to this, that not only is she great producer/dj
she is
	an excellent person.  None of the ego crap all to often associated
with big
	name US talent.
	-----Original Message-----
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	To: SiteRep078@aol.com <SiteRep078@aol.com>
	Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 12:40 PM
	Subject: Re: [mw] Biobooster/female djs


	>HMmmmm,  this is second post I have seen questioning Raps skills.
All I
	>have to say is have you ever heard her spin?  Obviously not.  She
may not
	be
	>the best jungle dj in the world, Hype has that wrapped up tight,
but she is
	>very good.  Good technique and excellent crowd management.  To top
it off
	>she is an excellent producer.
	>
	>tim
	>
	>

	

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Come on Chad!!!!

We want the list!!!!!

YOU can do it!!!

Chad Sommer wrote:
> 
> American DJs who think they are "rock stars"
> I'm not even gonna start...
> 
> -       Chad Sommer

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No way

- Chad


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	Come on Chad!!!!

	We want the list!!!!!

	YOU can do it!!!

	Chad Sommer wrote:
	> 
	> American DJs who think they are "rock stars"
	> I'm not even gonna start...
	> 
	> -       Chad Sommer

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Don't know if anyone has posted this to this list yet but i'll go ahead and
do it..

Space Boyy Prod presents: Birth Right - Friday March 5th, Indy

Main Arena

DRC- Twinsoul Prod. (San Fran)
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people with a March 5th b-day get in for free (must have proof)

All guest list request must be arranged & approved PRIOR to Feb 20th

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hope to see all u there :)






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Ouch, that hurts, but since you seem to know what you're talking about 
I'll agree with you.

Ethan (from Illinois)
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(in case nobody got it, which often happens, that was a joke, of sorts)

>In a message dated 1/31/99 11:35:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
venn@inc.net
>writes:
>
>> where does this leave Illinois ppl? too smart to get involved in 
flame wars 
>> or
>>  even with mw-raves at all? 
>
>illinois reminds me of italy in the two world wars... they go with 
whatever
>side is winning, or in this case more popular... too afraid of being 
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> time for the end of the milennium.  pure moods volume 1 is a biting
> postmodern deconstruction of the banal and outdated rave-scene's
> limited view of the art medium that is turntable-based electronic >
music production.
>
> the tape _IS_ free and we are serious.  myself and dj dica will
> continue to regularly play music that appeases the masses and stays
> within the safe boundaries of a regular beat structure.  we just
> wanted to show that while we may play typical sellout dance music,
we > do have a deeper, more experimental side that would like to see
sonic 

Rantish stuff comin' up....

Given that the rave scene was built around music that is/was avante
garde, and decidedly outside of the mainstream, it's interesting to
hear it now regarded as sellout music.  I've always thought it
interesting how the scenes in different parts of the world seem to
have their own private Top 40... tracks which 99% percent of the
populous never hear, and yet are familiar to the point of overplay to
partykids (at least, that's what midwest experience has taught me). 
Today, this music as a whole is still far from being ready from prime
time, even if distillations of it continuously filter into pop music,
especially speed garage, drum-and-bass, house, trip-hop, and breaks. 
And when it does filter through, it seems like it's often influential
and talented producers and artists who jump on it: David Bowie,
Madonna, et al, as well as others who are much less well known, but
still forward-thinking or nonconventional in their music (Love Spirals
Downwards, Mono).  By mainstream pop standards (which aren't very
high), these artists are among the vanguarde of musical innovation. 
But by the time any musical revolution actually does become
mainstream, it is effectively passe in the minds of the originators. 
The TRUE originators.  They've all long-since moved on to more novel
projects, since a real artist is never satisfied with his latest
creation for very long (if ever).  Therefore, it is ENTIRELY possible
for underground music to stagnate just as much as mainstream music,
since obviously not everyone producing underground music is a musical
innovator--far from it.  So if underground music is stagnating, then
it makes perfect sense that mainstream stuff is utter shite.  Very few
artists can simultaneously sound really fresh, be really different,
and be accepted to some degree, and STILL be ahead of their time (Tom
Jekinson is one who has managed to do this somehow).

The problem is that when rave culture developed, it developed around
completely NEW music.  So what seems more likely: that there will be a
slow acceptance and integration of bolder styles into the existing
scene, therefore changing it, or that a completely new scene will
develop around new and different innovations in electronic music?  If
it's the former, then what separates that subculture and its music
from mainstream culture and its music?  The thing is, I don't think
every style of electronic music has become banal: psychedelic trance
can hold its own, while techno is still abstract enough to have lots
of room to grow; there's hope for anything with the word "progressive"
in front of it; and drum-and-bass is also rather open-ended, and just
loosely-defined enough to be a musical revolution.  But musical
revolutions don't happen too often, and I don't see one happening in
the midst of the rave scene anytime soon.  So what will happen then? 
Will it become another counter-culture where nothing is really
happening besides fashion and exclusive attitudes?  The minute people
started having expectations about the music, things changed.  I'd say
that if anything is going to radically change rave culture and/or the
music, it's going to be either amazing new technology (i.e., a repeat
of the analogue synth / spinback turntable revolution), or some mass
change in society, which forces lots of people to start rethinking
things all at once.

NeoPLUR,

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In a message dated 2/2/99 12:26:12 PM Central Standard Time,
senorlululalo@juno.com writes:

<< I'm just curious how many peepz are currently in a band or compose music
 other than electronica??>>

I'm in a punk band.
I write and compsoe and record LOTS of my own personal music.
I LOVE music...  I play lots and lotsa stuff...  I can kinda sing, I'm okay.
Music has impacted my life more than words can ever say, but if you;d like to
discuss this, I'd *LOVE*  too!  :)

Jen

Jen

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anyone caught the show last night??

they had a band with the guy from devo as the conductor,
bob moog playing the theremin and a dj scratching over it all.

that, i must say, is pretty damn fresh for an award show.
and christina applegate is a hottie.

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Fuck yea!  What is the name of your band and what style punk do ya play??
 I'm ALWAYS interested in local punk bands.  If you have a demo I'd love
to hear it.  Personally, I play in a grindcore/hardcore punk band called
Senor Lululalo (I'll send you a demo for free if you like.) and really
enjoy everything about playing, performing, and just being around music. 
What are some of your favorite punk bands around-whats stuck in your tape
deck/cd player right now??  Also, do you spin records?  Have you found
that your band experiences/other musical tastes have a large influence in
what type of electronica you listen to our spin??  Sorry for all the
questions-I get too excited sometimes:)

Music is the life force running through my veins.

Jake


On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:14:21 EST Sixtybus@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 2/2/99 12:26:12 PM Central Standard Time,
>senorlululalo@juno.com writes:
>
><< I'm just curious how many peepz are currently in a band or compose 
>music
> other than electronica??>>
>
>I'm in a punk band.
>I write and compsoe and record LOTS of my own personal music.
>I LOVE music...  I play lots and lotsa stuff...  I can kinda sing, I'm 
>okay.
>Music has impacted my life more than words can ever say, but if you;d 
>like to
>discuss this, I'd *LOVE*  too!  :)
>
>Jen
>
>Jen
>

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In a message dated 1/31/99 7:57:07 PM Central Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

<< Through this method, probably not.. but I used to steal
 passwords (well, rather I'd social engineer them) from aol
 users buy sending them private messages while online ....
 
 All I would do was change my name to something that sounded
 official and then convince them to give me the required info so
 we could do some "security checks on their account".. blah
 blah .. whatever, and most would fall into line.. I got busted doing
 this, lost my account and all.. but it made me feel happy when I hacked back
 in  with some of my new accounts and caused a little
 havok... Ahhhh.. the joys of youth...
  >>
that was prolly back when aol actually cost money...
the best way to do that tho was to make one of those fake accounts that lasted
3 days and fish out enough passwords to keep that going for months
oh wellz
NNOthing

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On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, *!!prAsAd!!* wrote:
> 
> 			      DJ Brisk 
>                          Next Generation/UK
>                    Happy Hardcore's biggest DJ and
>                 producer, Brisk has released some of
>                 the biggest HH tunes ever! Don't miss
>                   his first ever Midwest appearence.
> 
> [taken from the Detonate flyer: 4.10]
> 
> one question here:  how can brisk's "first ever Midwest appearance" be on
> the 10th of april in chicago when he's spinning at FUNKY CHARMZ (see
> michael n craig's post) on 3.6 in minneapolis???
> just a little thought for you promoters out there over-hypin' yer
> parties...

well, Brisk was booked by us (Positive Kids, Untranslatable, Happy
League, etc.) around the time of Bonkers for our next planned event (April
10th 1999). i heard about the MN Brisk booking a month or so after but
then was told it had been cancelled (by a few independant and trustworthy
MN people). apparently it is still happening. we of course wish them the
best of luck (anyone supporting happy hardcore is a friend in our book).
the real flyers aren't out yet (look for them in about a week or so) so
there's still time to change the Brisk bio. my apologies for what appeared
to be us "over-hypin" our next event. we promise never to do it again....

matt

detonate 4.10.99....it should be an ok party....   ;)


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Keoki?

I know Derrick May is somewhere there. Ha! Has that guy produced anything new
in the past 6 Months?!?

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In a message dated 1/31/99 7:57:07 PM Central Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

<< Through this method, probably not.. but I used to steal
 passwords (well, rather I'd social engineer them) from aol
 users buy sending them private messages while online ....
 
 All I would do was change my name to something that sounded
 official and then convince them to give me the required info so
 we could do some "security checks on their account".. blah
 blah .. whatever, and most would fall into line.. I got busted doing
 this, lost my account and all.. but it made me feel happy when I hacked back
 in  with some of my new accounts and caused a little
 havok... Ahhhh.. the joys of youth...
  >>
that was prolly back when aol actually cost money...
the best way to do that tho was to make one of those fake accounts that lasted
3 days and fish out enough passwords to keep that going for months
oh wellz
NNOthing

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Are we talking Austin Reynolds?? If so...he's done alot of good music..not
just jungle-wise.

P

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someone asked about this last week or so.

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I hear a lot of people talk about, "What has Derrick May produced recently"
etc. etc. I believe he is back to doing some production work but I read that
he INTENTIONALLY stopped producing to concentrate on the art of DJing. (This
was quite a few years ago.) Dig out some old issues of Mixmag UK. 

-Chad Sommer



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	Keoki?

	I know Derrick May is somewhere there. Ha! Has that guy produced
anything new
	in the past 6 Months?!?

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Subject: [mw] Spex/Positive mix tape...i know, a little late
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Well I won't go on and on about how good it is, other people have
established that, i would just like to ask eric and/or matt for the track
listing for the tape.  i'd appreciate it
peace,
Jerry


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I'm a rock star too. I'm learning to DJ. I don't beatmatch, I pitchmatch.

On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> Keoki?
> 
> I know Derrick May is somewhere there. Ha! Has that guy produced anything new
> in the past 6 Months?!?
> 



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I think Chad Sommer and Phil Free Art are ROCK STAR DJ'S!


"I'm more excited then a 16 year old girl backstage at an aerosmith concert"

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yeah austin reynold's the happy hardcore cat...

does all of rap's engineering...

now listen to an austin track...

and listen to the melodies and compare it something like... um... RAW?!?

and raw is the shit mind you... but where did that melody come from?

entro

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for those who care:

    hellige@neog.com will no longer work, effective immediately.
    if you wanna contact me, try hellige@imsa.edu or hellige@uiuc.edu.
         

fucking downsizing.........



matt

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> engineer = production.
>
> production without an engineer = silence
>
> if you can't engineer your own production...
>
> hmmm.

Actually, you're wrong.  Engineer != producer.  Engineer = fat guy who makes
the mix sound good.  Producer = the person arranging and orchestrating the
sounds, writing the lyrics, hiring the musicians, arranging studio time,
putting the ideas behind the track, hiring the engineer to make the whole
mess sound good, etc.

If you a/b "commercial" d&b with homebrewed d&b the mix quality is
astounding.  I think part of the reason American produced d&b has made
little global impact is because the mix on most of it sounds like shit
compared to the amount of quality paid for and squeezed into your typically
polished UK release.  Part of that can be attributed to the mastering
process, but the majority rides on the skill of the engineer to bring it all
together.

> what does this say on someone raking in $$$ enough to accost a
> huge amount of
> equip. and sit down and learn it.

It means that they're winning the game.

Look at it this way.  laurynn hill produced Miseducation ... she didn't play
all the instruments, doubtfully wrote a lot of the music, certainly had a
hand in part of the lyrics - but her job isn't musician on the record, her
job is producer and producing the music, designing the system to construct
the music as she sees it.  Everyone else is auxiliary and contributory to
the process.

In a bedroom studio market, yes producer = engineer.  But in a more
sophisticated arena, producer <> engineer.

Jon Gilkison
Inneraktive Nettwerx, inc.
http://inneraktive.e-zone.com





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a few things I forgot to mention about the tape:

1) it also challenges the conventional idea of having a concrete length.
the length of your copy will vary, but will most likely be between 35 and
60 minutes.  many people may think they will be disappointed if they get
the shorter version, but this is art.  it's not about you being happy or
sad about what you get.  you're not paying for it.  just embrace the
experimentality of it and i'm sure your disappointment at getting a shorter
tape will be offset by the knowledge that the tape you listen to is pushing
every possible boundary.

2) we believe in a holistic approach to our experimentation.  and the whole
of the piece includes its packaging.  each tape will come in a handmade
package, and while all of them will be different, they will all challenge
conventional ideas of packaging design.

3) there are certain people out there who we really want to send this tape
to.  those people will recieve tapes even if they don't give us their
address.

tapes are still available! write now as we are considering limiting this
tape to an edition of 50.  Demos of original tracks will hopefully be
available in early march.

thank you,
chris ege
pure moods project

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Hiya  :)
We're a "girly-pop-punk"  (hehehe) band called Pee Wee Junkies.  3 Girls, I'm
the drummer and backing vox.  I've been drumming since I was tiny.  My dad
used to be a drummer and still has his older-than-dirt set still set up, which
is what I use.  I like those better than anything brand spankin new, or
"nicer".  They're a little on the worn side, but they have GREAT sound!
Music has been apart of my life since I was 4 years old.  (I'm 17 now)  I've
been playing piano since then.  I compete, and have earned many, many honors,
and a few *small* scholarships to the college of my choice.  I've competed in
Chicago, and have played in New York.  (my modesty went flying out the window
about 5 minutes ago =D)  In the sixth grade, I picked up the trupmet and in
the 7th grade, the guitar (acoustic, electric and bass)   In the 9th grade I
got a craving for strings, and started learning the violin and cello.  My
sophmore year I took a liking to techno and wanted to learn to "make it".  I
didnt know about turntables and such, and just fucked around with my
keyboards, playing with all the different sounds and beats.  Just now (my
senior year) I've gotten the cash together to purchase some DJ equipment.  I
plan on starting to learn to spin sometime soon, (within the next couple
months, hopefully)
I get such a mad rush out of performing!!  It really makes me happy :)  It
fills me with such power and such love and leaves me in a general state  of
"all is wonderful, what could go wrong??"  For hours on end!  :)  We want to
find some horns and try some ska.  I love ska  :)  We havent really recorded
anythign that anyone other than us are gonna hear :P
I've recorded alot of MY OWN stuff, light vocals, piano and a few things in my
piano instructors studio.  I've written alot of music.
My musical tastes range in everything from Beethoven to Limp Bizkit to Frankie
Bones, ya know?  I'm a real sucker for piano too.  (Tori Amos, Ben Folds
Five... ect)  Latley I've been listening to the Tori Amos CD Little
EarthQuakes non-stop.  I LOVE her.  Garbage, also.  (I have such a crush on
Shirley Manson!!!)  but thats just awful to say.  I love that style and I love
her voice.  Punk Favorites include
*Blink 182
*MxPx
*Operation Ivy
*Rancid
*Ramones
*Mr. T Experience
I love supporting the local scene, too.  I've got lots of friends in local
bands and theres nothing I'd rather do than go out there and give a "fuck
yea!" to them!  :)
Wow, this is a damn long letter...
Tell me about your experiences, please!!  I'd love to hear a sample of your
band!

Not Modest Enough...
Jen

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Kinda late on my part too, but I was also wondering if you could send me a
track listing.
And thanks MAtt and Eric for the great tape! It hasn't left my tape player
since I got it. Props to you Matt for putting that Dj daydream track (Make
your own kind of Music) on your side!!! And I especially love the last track
on your side Eric!! wooooooooowee!!

Lisa*

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as we already have 28 requests for the tape, and we're not exactly rich,
we've decided the tape will definitely be a limited edition of 40.

that means there's 12 tapes left...  write quick!

chris ege,
pure moods incorporated

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Nope, they are not the same. I allready asked the promoter the same 
question ;-)

-Craig/Spree
http://members.xoom.com/djspree

>Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:55:44 -0800 (PST)
>From: Nerm Thirteen <n3rm13@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [mw] Funky Charms question...
>
>I just went to the Soul Theology website and looked at the flyer,
>which caused a bit of confusion for me...
>Is "Teo" the same dj as "Thee-o?" The house/trance/techno dj w/
>Biohazard productions?
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i saw that too!  i was going to say something about it.. but didn't.

chris applegate wasn't doing much for me....   i like the english lady from
frasier WAY more.


did anyone see that documentary called Modulations?   they had an interview
with Moog on there.  it was good.  the whole film was good.    
i'm going to go now =)

have a nice day
~nadine











      where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are sm:)es

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> engineer = production.
>
> production without an engineer = silence
>
> if you can't engineer your own production...
>
> hmmm.

>> Actually, you're wrong.  Engineer != producer.  Engineer = fat guy who
makes
the mix sound good.  Producer = the person arranging and orchestrating the
sounds, writing the lyrics, hiring the musicians, arranging studio time,
putting the ideas behind the track, hiring the engineer to make the whole
mess sound good, etc.  <<

engineer in this case was a general term to refer to AUSTIN as being the guy
who makes the equipment make noise... and DJ RAP as being the person who
basically tells the engineer what to do... makes noise...  its been quite a
creature comfort to use this terminology in both the US and the UK drum and
bass scene... but lets just say this... AUSTIN programmed the track... DJ RAP
said "wouldn't it sound cool if you added a boom chuckah boom chuck."
whatever you want to call it... fine.

>>If you a/b "commercial" d&b with homebrewed d&b the mix quality is
astounding.  I think part of the reason American produced d&b has made
little global impact is because the mix on most of it sounds like shit
compared to the amount of quality paid for and squeezed into your typically
polished UK release.  Part of that can be attributed to the mastering
process, but the majority rides on the skill of the engineer to bring it all
together.<<

funny not to brag... but since i am american... and i take offense... my shit
was MASTERED by the same personage who mastered tortoise as well as much of
the thrill jockey catalog... and i got some nice reviews critically us and uk
bound... who for the money we paid for it... we thought did a good job...
matter of fact... most of the tracks that MAKE a global impact... are dubbed
to plate the week they were done in the uk... with little more than a
compressor for sound enhancement... and without too much of a flying fuck
given by the presser.

hmmm.

> what does this say on someone raking in $$$ enough to accost a
> huge amount of
> equip. and sit down and learn it.

>>It means that they're winning the game.

Look at it this way.  laurynn hill produced Miseducation ... she didn't play
all the instruments, doubtfully wrote a lot of the music, certainly had a
hand in part of the lyrics - but her job isn't musician on the record, her
job is producer and producing the music, designing the system to construct
the music as she sees it.  Everyone else is auxiliary and contributory to
the process.<<

lauryn hill is also being sued boucoup bucks by ark.

who's winning that game?

entro

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You really don't want to be one.

It is a pain in the ass.

It is a lot of work.

Time consuming, money consuming,life and brain consuming.

Once you make one track....your brain will NOT STOP!!!!!!

Take it from me.....don't go there.


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>and christina applegate is a hottie.

always has been and always will be - her and alyssa milano (my 2 childhood
crushes) will always rank over everyone in my fantasy world.  even
newcomers like sarah michelle gellar.  *sigh*

>johnny "dawson's creek didn't win!!" burner

it didn't win anything!?  well then, that award show is a farce.  like all
of them.  dawson's is one of television's best shows.



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dj michael knight                            |  michael@hardcorps.org
american cheese productions, ohio USA        |  michael_614@hotmail.com
...keep tingz happy...                       |  ICQ #27890270

"happy hardcore is the best thing since a whole loaf of bread!!
 forget sliced!!"
                                           -dj phil of free art!!

"there's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line."
                                           -oscar levant

"it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
                                           -derrick carter
****************************************************************************



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forwarded fromt he IDM list.....   its free so why not?

-mikeD


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 07:13:13 -0600
From: cl <clietz@enteract.com>
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Subject: (idm) for chicago area residents

just a reminder that tomorrow at 
lounge axe (at lincoln and fullerton)
a FREE show with 3 djs spinning 
techno, electro (and i was promised
that non 4/4 will be played
for the idm crowd).  starts around
9- 930 and the djs will switch
off on the half hour until 12 or
1.  since its free you have nothing
to lose, and if the turnout is good
it could be made into a regular 
night and maybe internet broadcasts
as well.  if you think that other
lists (mwraves,global techno?) might
be interested, or individuals, please
forward the news.  thanks, and hope
to see you there.  i will be the 
one wearing pants and a shirt.

cl

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In a message dated 2/2/99 7:08:11 PM Central Standard Time,
michael@hardcorps.org writes:

<< always has been and always will be - her and alyssa milano (my 2 childhood
 crushes) will always rank over everyone in my fantasy world.  even
 newcomers like sarah michelle gellar.  *sigh*
  >>

Seriously, you know who I think is a real cutie?  That chick from Felicity.  I
can't  remember her name off hand, but she's very innocent looking and very
cute.
HOWEVER...  Shirley Manson will ALWAYS be number one to me  :)   *giggle*

Jen

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yah the bird from felicity is ok...i dunno tho as far as the whole cute &
innocent thing goes i would lean toward katie holmes :)



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american cheese productions, ohio USA        |  michael_614@hotmail.com
...keep tingz happy...                       |  ICQ #27890270

"happy hardcore is the best thing since a whole loaf of bread!!
 forget sliced!!"
                                           -dj phil of free art!!

"there's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line."
                                           -oscar levant

"it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
                                           -derrick carter
****************************************************************************



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i know im a lot late to, but iz there ne way i can get 1 of those tapes? i
just disovered how cool HH can be and i want more... wait i dont have ne HH
tapes :)~  
mayB thats y i want more!


Gab E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"techno has all
of those blips and beeps that make me want to dance on my
toes... house makes everyone do that 'walking in place' thing... jungle is
sorta like moving your hands all over your body w/o actually touching
yourself... and happy hardcore is kinda like everyone is in fast forward."
  - BeCcA*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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---------------------------------------------

SPECTRA 16 will be 
tommorow night
February 3rd, 1999
7:30pm - 9:30pm

----------------------------------

SPECTRA  is a monthly open forum for new audio works. SPECTRA is a place
and time for composers and critics of all styles to listen, think, and
discuss. It is a time and a place to exchange ideas, impressions,
reactions, expectations, and inspirations.
SPECTRA is open free of charge to anyone willing to bring ideas &
opinions and participate.

SPECTRA is held the first Wednesday of every month at splinter group
Audio Studio
450 North Leavitt (between Damen and Western, south of Grand) from
7:30pm - 9:30pm.

********************



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Some freinds of mine are looking at making the trek from Milwaukee to
Toronto for Hulaballo this weekend.  But I can't find the event listed
anywhere on www.ticketmaster.ca or www.ticketmaster.com.  Could anyone
point out how to get to it?  Tried searching by various
methods...couldn't find anything.  Please help =3D)

rob

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yeah can one you email me... cause i wanna get one of your tapes too...
although i am not the doughnut eating cute girl you were looking for... i
would still want your tape

alex

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In a message dated 2/2/99 7:28:10 PM Central Standard Time,
michael@hardcorps.org writes:

<< i would lean toward katie holmes :)
  >>

Oh ish!  I like Dawson, but she's a little *too* good

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Derrick May has two new tracks coming out this winter/spring on Transmat..

They sound great...

Also For all Derrick's Fans, He is playing a show with Kevin Saunderson (Tag
Team On 4 Turntables) for Solar's One Year Anniversary in Ann Arbor .
Tickets are availble at Ticketmaster and Mojo in Ann Arbor and Groovy Train
in Ferndale..

for more infor 734.913.9738  or 248.975.8773


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Date: 2.10.99





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In a message dated 2/2/99 2:30:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
chadsommer@upshotmail.com writes:

> There's a GOOD chance that whoever said she sucked probably has never heard
>  her spin live. 'Cos that's how it is in the Midwest, everyone and
everything
>  sucks don't cha know?

well, maybe we should get dj rap over here in the midwest, i bet most people
hopes she sucks....

aha

touche

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I believe that pro skater Ed Templeton said that.
Russ

> "Never rely on any drug to do for you what you can't already do for
> yourself."
> -Anonymous
> 


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Ok I've been waiting for somebody to say they have pics from the party,
anybody got em up on the web err sumfin?? thanks if ya do and =P if ya
don't! =)

=)'s
curtis


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In a message dated 2/2/99 3:18:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

> Uhh... *slaps forehead*.. we are talking about music markets,
>  remember? They are not in a dominant electronic market..
>  sure, they are electronic to a degree (not 100%) but they are
>  not in a genere with other groups that place the emphasis on this..
>  (key word is emphasis)

yeah, i would say it is a dominant electronic market... or else it would be
rock... and it is not... 
     
>  yes, but we are arguing semantics... what I ment by band was
>  rock band mentality, something different from the tekkno band
>  mentality.. we come back to the emphasis placed on the various
>  aspects of the music... in tekkno, all bits of the song
>  are equal.. this equality does not exists in most rock...

hmmm... band mentality is band mentality... why do you think prototype 909 is
no more and the remains are unit park? band mentality.... 

>  The emphasis of diva house is still the beats, the vocals are almost
>  always secondary.. it is generated to be dance music, so the
>  point is kind unarguable... the dominant factor of the genere...

i would argue to say hip hop is "dance" music too....people dance to "non-
dance" music... and some people don't dance to "dance" music
  
>  even with trax that have vocals thought the mix, they do not
>  have the same emphasis (that word again ;) as vocals in a
>  fugazi album...

yeah, that is true, but i think we can argue that fugazi isn't hip hop... but
in hip hop often the MC will keeps his lyrics in rhythmic flows, so as to seem
like an instrument... synthizers and musical instruments were made as
extensions of expressing ones self... the first ways were dancing and music...
so it would seem all music is dance music
    
>  Possibly, even been to a jello spoken word concert?

i can't say i have... however, from stories i have heard, he gets a rise out
of the crowd, but i don't see kids stage diving when he screams, "knowledge is
power, we must have the facts, now!"
    
>  it is a very loose genere.. what are these walls you speak of?
>  what modern idm have you heard? Slab Boom Van Loom?

slab bam boom... nope... squarepusher, aphex twin, and a bunch of other CDs JJ
has let me barrow in the past... (my favortie of which is Seti)... if you know
mr JJ you know all he really has is IDM and ambient basically... asside from
his massive collection of tapes ;)
  
>  Man, you are arguing genere classifications, we stated by
>  discussing markets, remember? they are electronica... but not
>  in the dominant market (dj culture)..

i wasn't arguing them for being in dj culture, just that they were
electronic... half of "electronica" isn't for dj culture

>  >my friend drives a Volkswagon Beetle, does he praise Adolf Hitler every
day
>  >for having the foresight to demand the principles of its design?
>  
>  He should if he enjoys the machine... eitherway, the
>  principles of design wouldn't have been created by adolf..
>  he was way to busy at this time to engage in such activities, and
>  a wee bit under skilled..

actually, hitler insisted on the good gas milage, air cooled engine, and the
price... which in reality, is way ahead of it's times are far as cars go...
america was under the bigger and better line... more gas... and all those
overheating cars cause of water cooled engines... but ferdinand porsche put it
together

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In a message dated 2/2/99 2:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

> So why are not allot more females involved with the scene?
>  chance? they just don't wanna?

i dunno, ask one ;)  
  
>  I never said that, I just said we need more females taking a
>  stand on the music they listen to...

should we go out of our way to do so tho? i just think in general we need more
people putting out good music...

>  Helen keller said this as well, then retracted the statement after
>  livening in the world longer (she became a socialist.. find that in a
>  high school history textbook ;).. The fact is, this is a patriarchal
>  WHITE society at the *moment*.. Need I say more?
>  Ok, I will ;)... whether the discrimination is conscious or
>  subconscious, it exists... and people get psychologically fucked by
>  a society that feeds them stimuli all their life that tells them
>  they are not capable... Many people don't realize this reality to NOT
>  be true.. so people like me, gloria stinum, rosa parks, lenny bruce
>  (ect) tell them so...

things don't change until the one oppressed stands up... do you think it makes
them feel better that the rules had to be changed so they had an oppertunity?
or if they were able to create that oppertunity themselves... granted, i think
that worked in the past... and i think it was very needed on some issues...
but i believe we are at a point, were you as an individual must come forward
by yourself, and not with others holding your hands.... i will leave this open
for random interpretation manipulations...
  
>  I'm not talking about that.. My reality isn't filled with 1,000s of
>  hard working female track producers being kept under the iron
>  hand of the man.. but many girls don't think they can do shit like
>  this.. why? you tell me... the fact remains that more of us (men)
>  exist than more of them.. once again, you tell me why...

why don't you ask the girls why they don't? a survey of sorts... i think you
would find out a lot more from them than from me... but at the same time i am
not gonna go out of my way to make it easier for someone... send me tapes, if
it slams, work out a deal and i will press it... that is how i look at it...

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hello,
i forgot who started the little thread, but i'll add that i've been in a 
few local bands around my area, none of which really took off.  I 
usually played guitar.
thing is, that when you get 5 teenage kids in a room with guitars and 
drums and a pack of cigarettes, nothing is bound to happen.  everyone 
goes off in their own direction, and someone ends up leaving to go get 
more cigs. *cough*
that's when i put down the guitar and picked up a juno.  making techno 
has been far more satisfying for me, and i love it.  I haven't been at 
it for a super long time, but i've been in one techno band, and have 
played more gigs around the midwest than i did in 4 crappy bands.
well, i guess my rant is over
jesse
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hello,

I'm working on some comics and was wondering if any of ya 
can tell me of some places I could send them for possible 
publication.  They are personal stories...not like spiderman 
or something.

thanks,

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we bought our hulla 5 tickets at www.ticketmaster.ca, but ticketmaster will
oftentimes take events offsale a few days before the event, maybe that's
what has happened.  rave venues don't always have a "will call" window,
innit.

i would suggest u consult the site: www.hullabaloo-raves.com



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#1    i don't have the equip.


#2    i don't have enough  ($)$$$ for decent equip    
*hint hint* anyone selling leftovers for cheap?


#3    i'd rather make music from scratch then spin someone elses





short and sweet.... straight to the point.  just like me  =)
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    where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are sm:)es

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Did you hear DJ rap doesn't beat match?




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download

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> 
> > There's a GOOD chance that whoever said she sucked probably has never heard
> >  her spin live. 'Cos that's how it is in the Midwest, everyone and
> everything
> >  sucks don't cha know?
> 
> well, maybe we should get dj rap over here in the midwest, i bet most people
> hopes she sucks....

by the way,
ma friend Allison was chatting with her..
she (allison) is organzing a big asss partie..
Rap might get booked.  i dunno for sure though.
i hope so. :P


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At 11:40 PM 2/2/99 EST, Husqvarnic@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 2/2/99 2:30:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>chadsommer@upshotmail.com writes:
>
>> There's a GOOD chance that whoever said she sucked probably has never heard
>>  her spin live. 'Cos that's how it is in the Midwest, everyone and
>everything
>>  sucks don't cha know?
>
>well, maybe we should get dj rap over here in the midwest, i bet most people
>hopes she sucks....
>
>aha

I heard Dj Rap spin at a party in Indy like 3 or 4 years ago...  I thought
she was pretty good... (jungle however is not really my thing).
Probably not worth the reported 3500 she was charging (I dont know if that
was true... but thats what all my friends were saying *shrug*).

Anyone else who was at Contact have an opinion??????


tad


>
>touche
>
>


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Aliensquad of Lexington, Kentucky presents

Abduction

Abduction will be a monthly event which will feature one and sometimes two
talented D.J.'s spinning extended set.  Each event is going to be intimate
events that foster a true connection with the D.J.  The spaces will be
intimate with the D.J. set up on the floor and not miles away.  Aliensquad
wants this to become a getaway.  A place where you can walk in the door and
have the D.J. take you on a journey to another world.  Like it should be.
Aliensquad wants to make this an ongoing positive experience for everyone.

February 12, 1999 - Abduction 001

Halo - Chicago - Teamsters, Subliminal, King Street
Samm-E - Nashville - Teamsters, Pleazure, La Familia
each spinning al least 2 1/2 hours and possibly tagging
plus locals opening

March 12, 1999 - Abduction 002

James Christian - New York/ Cleveland - Eightball/Nervous/Caffeine
extended set until he gets tired.
plus locals opening

The locals will be from the Aliensquad crew.  They will consist of:
Kell
Cosmic
Lil' Cory
Matt Bandy
Mutt
Trevor Lamont

We will rotate the locals as needed to fill up the party.  Each one will not
spin all the parties meaning I am only spinning every forth or fifth party or
so. This will give exposure to the great locals we have.  Come early and check
them out. :)

stay tuned for the lineups of Abduction 003 and 004.  Soon to be released.

-- 
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                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters 
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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Bookings:
     Pleasure Entertainment  (314-995-2631) : my agent
     tlamont@gte.net : my e-mail address
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all I gotta say abouts that is simply pimps up...hos down...and i do 
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>things don't change until the one oppressed stands up... do you think 
it makes

>them feel better that the rules had to be changed so they had an 
oppertunity?

>or if they were able to create that oppertunity themselves... granted, 
i think

>that worked in the past... and i think it was very needed on some 
issues...

>but i believe we are at a point, were you as an individual must come 
forward

>by yourself, and not with others holding your hands.... i will leave 
this open

>for random interpretation manipulations...

>



I Agree 100% with this. 

I worked hard for my skills. No one helped me get them. If i don't 
succeed, it will not be anyone's fault but my own... I've benn sspinning 
for 5 years, 2 of which i have been in a state of semi-retirement. My 
choice. I had different priorities. 



But here is somthing I've learned :If you want something bad enough, 
success, when it comes, is sweeter BECAUSE of the obstacles. If it's 
easy to accomplish, it may not be worth doing.





anyways..



Leigh



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letme know if your still around!


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      not mikee
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On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:18:33 EST Sixtybus@aol.com writes:

>In a message dated 2/2/99 7:28:10 PM Central Standard Time,
>michael@hardcorps.org writes:
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><< i would lean toward katie holmes :)
>  >>
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>Oh ish!  I like Dawson, but she's a little *too* good
>

Check her out in "Disturbing Behavior", she plays a "bad girl" character.
She wears a lot of tight shirts in that movie =) Yum !  Not too bad of a
movie either
(not great, but better than most of the crop of new teen movies, great
concept though).

I've never even seen Dawson's Creek, but seeing her in that movie really
makes me want to.

	Joe
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What's up guys.. just wanted to remind you all of our event coming up on
Friday, February 5th.  We've got a solid line-up which is confirmed, and
sure to deliver a BIG bang for your six dollars.  The venue is located on
Lake Michigan, about 15/20 minutes from downtown.  Oh yeah, it's 100%
bust-free, too.  Cost of admission is only $6, because we're all about the
low-cost with high quality.  So come on down and have a great time!  If the
music is good, we'll all have a good time, right?!  If you attended our
Halloween party/after-party, then you know what I mean.  Peace guys.  Call
312.409.8889 for more information on the day of the event.

Shawn O'donnovan - Dublin, Ireland
                   With his first US appearance,
                   he's sure to treat you all
                   with a suprise!  He plays clubs
                   in Ireland and all over Europe!

Tyree Cooper     - Chicago, IL
                   Master of the old school acid
                   house, brings you the funk, the
                   whole funk, nothin' but the funk!

Overfiend        - Chicago, IL
                   Miss Biobooster & Paul Norman
                   tag-team.  If you have seen
                   these two in action before, you
                   know they're too great to miss!
                   MC Hentai will be performing
                   with them as the 3rd member of
                   Overfiend

Paul Anthony     - NW Indiana
                   Named one of the most talented
                   up & coming DJ's in Chicago,
                   prepare yourself to JACK to these
                   grooves!  He is a Midwest DMC
                   Finalist, 10 year turntablist
                   veteran, and winner of the Get Spun
                   House Competition on 12/5/98.

Daz Jackson      - NW Indiana
                   Did someone say techno?  Daz did.
                   In his first Chicago appearance,
                   he will be sure to impress you.
                   He's a true favorite in his home-
                   town and surrounding areas.  
Urban + 
Kevin Cunningham - Chicago, IL
                   Tag-teaming 4 turntables! 
                   IHR, Moody, UC

Mark Almaria     - Chicago, IL
                   Not everyone understands house 
                   music, but Mark really does.  He
                   is a resident DJ at Dock 5, has
                   releases on International House 
                   Recordings, and is part of the 
                   Abstract Beating System.

Halo             - Chicago, IL
                   Member of the world renown 
                   Teamsters, with a bundle of skills
                   to match.  Moody, IHR

Linus            - Chicago, IL
                   Member of Newtype+ and Phase One,
                   Disco house at its best.. an up and
                   coming Chicago favorite!

Evol             - Chicago, IL
                   Down with Newtype+ and Ecobase, Evol
                   explodes the floor with some super-
                   funky jungle, and a bag of tricks to
                   go with!

For more information give Discolicious a ring ring @  312.409.8889.. Peace

Discolicious Productions, 99 - thanks for your support!

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being a strange human being who seeks out underground, useless media to sample
from... many strange things end up on the desktop of the semiconscious
compound... they bring much mirth and/or terror to our mates... so we decide
to share...

1.  Neil Merryweather - "space rangers."  about all i could describe this
record as is being a cross between david bowie, spinal tap, and roger's and
hammerstein... its horrible... even the picture of the mulleted neil with
leather butterfly wings... tight leather flamed top... quotable "yes he's
known all over the land/gonna get you while he can/ the one and only NEON
MAN!"  Legacy:  Sampled by DJ SHADOW for Latyrx.  "high altitude hide and
seek" first track on the latyrx cd.

2.  The Shaggs - "Philosophy of the World"	'The shags are real, pure,
unaffected by outside influences.  Their music is different, its is theirs
alone... the shaggs love you and love to perform for you.' spouts the cover.
oh my god.  three sisters.  evidence that new hampshire must have had some
type of radioactive spill priorr to the birth of these three lovely ladies.
The most HORRIBLE, yet... soothing music ever made.  Every time I listen... at
least i know one thing... I may be crazy... but these girls are ... ... ...
... ... ... off.  quotable "I wonder most about the things i don't find out.
I wonder about the skies,  I wonder about the birds... there are something I
don't understand there are some things i do but one thing i don't understand
is why you don't feel the same way too but i understand because i don't feel
the same way too." legacy: "thankfully none yet."

Los Yonics "Tres Tristes Tigres" - spanish surf music... ala 77'.  perfect
music to contemplate murdering shady promoters who don't pay you the money
they've owed you for many odd years... or just the soundtrack to an evening of
corona, cumin, and a case of stolen cash...  viva los vegas, aye. aye.
quotable "are you fucking kidding me? - telemundo."  legacy "if peter gun and
lord tariq can sample mariachi for 'uptown baby' i sure as hell can sample
psychedelic surf music.

iggy pop "lust for life" - unlike mr. merryweather, this is produced by bowie.
and really doesn't need any review... i'm just glad to have a working copy of
it again... quotable "you're younger than you look... fall in love with me."
legacy "every time i play a party, and i see kids sloshed in the corner
scraping for needles... now at least i can send one out to the smacked out
massive. =? "

Black Belt Jones - take one kick ass soundtrack.  alot of jive talking.  alot
of leeesque whines... (not to be confused with leean.) a couple of ball
crushing scenes and mr. jones, ordering his girl to throw her panties out the
window of moving car and on to the windshield of their enemies in pursuit.
wow.  rock tha fuck on.  quotables "i don't know if its quoteable... but i'll
site any scene where isaac from the love boat almost gets his teeth knocked in
by a cueball."  legacy lakim shabazz "first in existance," chill rob g... and
shitload of wild pitch 12 inches.

entro 

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> just thought you might want to check out the gruesome > new ad
campaign
> for the partnership for a drug free america > organization:
>
> http://www.execpc.com/~nyx/methad/meth1.html
>
> eeeeeewwwwww.

i don't know about anybody else but meth makes me very very HUNGRY.
well just about anything does (except that picture). i'm hungry all
the time. all i can eat is stuff like applesauce + ice cream + pasta
right now though. i have impacted wisdom teeth that came in part way.
it sucks. they have to get all taken out very soon.

-elias
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Hey, I finally got signed on again, what's goin on!?!?!?

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just out of curiosity are there allot of kids going down this year??
	myself and several others will be in attendance and wondered if
lots of others were too? 
						peace
							john
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I thought the winter music conferance was supposted to be something for
business people in the scene, but everyone I know who talks about it like it's
just a huge weekend party.  Anybody have any comments about that?

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 PixiEg4713@aol.com wrote:

> I thought the winter music conferance was supposted to be something for
> business people in the scene, but everyone I know who talks about it like it's
> just a huge weekend party.  Anybody have any comments about that?

It is a big industry party with some emphasis on dance music. Most people
just pay to fly down there and hang around the bars/hotels/lounges in 
a chance they can chat itup with someone "famous" in the scene.

Not my idea of fun, but hey, who am I to say? =P

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It's the biggest schmooze-fest in the world!

Every Major DJ and Live act from around the globe is there talkin' business
and partying their asses off. Go if you can, even if it's just for the
parties. 

In 1997 I was at one club listening to Pete Tong, then I went to another
club to hear Carl Cox, then I went back to the first club to check Rabbit in
the Moon, then went to another club to hear Josh Wink and King Britt...
That's how it is EVERY night!

And on Monday night of the Conference Danny Tenaglia spins the Twisted party
at GrooveJet - always the highlight of the week!

Best Regards,
Chad Sommer

	-----Original Message-----
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	I thought the winter music conferance was supposted to be something
for
	business people in the scene, but everyone I know who talks about it
like it's
	just a huge weekend party.  Anybody have any comments about that?

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last year's winter music conference was much much fun.

just don't go with any expectations.

reasons to go to the WMC:

good music for the whole week (although somewhat commercial)
80 degree weather (20 back home)
"fuck the conference, I'm going to the beach!"
really cool people from all over the world
a weeklong raving adventure!
Will Smith wrote a song about Miami (you can sing it on the way there!)
$5 parties full of headliners
lots of British drum&bass (last year: Rap, Grooverider, Mickey Finn,
Aphrodite, etc)
free stuff!


reasons not to go to the WMC:

Miami thieves that come into your hotel room while you're asleep
crappy commercial dance music
no deep issues explored. it's all about money.
no hardcore, no happy hardcore, little techno
$300+ conference pass (ouch!)
rock star DJ's
the worst dance music getting the best hype
saving your money for Dubtribe in Louisville 2 weeks later...


:)

love to all...

j-Sun



dj muppetfucker wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 PixiEg4713@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > I thought the winter music conferance was supposted to be something for
> > business people in the scene, but everyone I know who talks about it like it's
> > just a huge weekend party.  Anybody have any comments about that?
> 
> It is a big industry party with some emphasis on dance music. Most people
> just pay to fly down there and hang around the bars/hotels/lounges in
> a chance they can chat itup with someone "famous" in the scene.
> 
> Not my idea of fun, but hey, who am I to say? =P
> 
>         dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
> Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad
> http://hardcorps.org - http://massivemag.com - http://hardcorps.org/thugs
>         Contact: VMB - 512-703-8901 - http://hardcorps.org/muppetfucker

-- 
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Next Events:
hometown.heroes.1.0: February 27, 1999, Louisville
An Evening with Dubtribe: March 26, 1999, Louisville
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	-----Original Message-----
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	Sent:	Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:57 PM
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	On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 PixiEg4713@aol.com <mailto:PixiEg4713@aol.com>
wrote:
		> I thought the winter music conferance was supposted to be
something for
		> business people in the scene, but everyone I know who
talks about it like it's
		> just a huge weekend party.  Anybody have any comments
about that?

	It is a big industry party with some emphasis on dance music. Most
people just pay to fly down there and hang around the bars/hotels/lounges in
a chance they can chat itup with someone "famous" in the scene.
	Not my idea of fun, but hey, who am I to say? =P
			dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org
<mailto:muppetfucker@hardcorps.org>  - aka noahphex
	Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban 


	You have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE
THAT PEOPLE COMPLETELY TALK OUT OF THEIR ASSES ON THIS BOARD. OBVIOUSLY YOU
HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE, OR HAVE TALKED WITH ANYBODY THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN
THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

First of all, the WHOLE conference is about DANCE MUSIC. 
Secondly, even if you have no interest in the business end of dance you
music, YOU WILL HAVE THE FUCKING TIME OF YOUR LIFE if you head down to Miami
while the conference takes place. 

Why? Because ALL of the BEST DJs and Producers from around the globe are
there and the play at parties all week long. Parties that are open TO THE
PUBLIC - Anybody can go to the parties!

- Chad Sommer

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chad Sommer wrote:

> 	You have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE
> THAT PEOPLE COMPLETELY TALK OUT OF THEIR ASSES ON THIS BOARD. OBVIOUSLY YOU
> HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE, OR HAVE TALKED WITH ANYBODY THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN
> THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Okay, you're wrong.

> First of all, the WHOLE conference is about DANCE MUSIC. 

But its not about hardcore, so who gives a fuck what goes on down there.

> Why? Because ALL of the BEST DJs and Producers from around the globe are
> there and the play at parties all week long. Parties that are open TO THE
> PUBLIC - Anybody can go to the parties!

Best schmest. There isnt any hardcore producers or DJs down there so its
a waste of money.


	dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad
http://hardcorps.org - http://massivemag.com - http://hardcorps.org/thugs
	Contact: VMB - 512-703-8901 - http://hardcorps.org/muppetfucker


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	Okay, you're wrong.

	> First of all, the WHOLE conference is about DANCE MUSIC. 

	But its not about hardcore, so who gives a fuck what goes on down
there.

	Best schmest. There isnt any hardcore producers or DJs down there so
its
	a waste of money.

		dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex


	Once again, YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU"RE
TALKING ABOUT. 

	HARDCORE? - I was at an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PARTY at WMC '97 where
Lenny Dee and others were spinning ALL HARDCORE. - EVERY GENRE IS SHOWCASED
from Hardcore to D'n'B to House to trance. EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE IS
THERE!!!!!!!!

	- Chad Sommer
	

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chad Sommer wrote:

> 	Once again, YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU"RE
> TALKING ABOUT. 

I have friends and acquaintances that have been. I wouldnt waste my money.

Why the fuck are you so sensitive about this? Keep yelling, smart guy.
You're coming across as a real champ.


> 	HARDCORE? - I was at an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PARTY at WMC '97 where
> Lenny Dee and others were spinning ALL HARDCORE. - EVERY GENRE IS SHOWCASED
> from Hardcore to D'n'B to House to trance. EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE IS
> THERE!!!!!!!!

Everything? How many happy hardcore producers showed up?

	dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 03 21:15:04 1999
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You say that it doesn't sound like fun, yet you've never been there. Then
you say there's no hardcore, and there is, but you've never been there to
know.

The original post was a question about what goes on there. You have never
been there yet you tell the guy that it doesn't sound like fun - why would
you comment on something that you have no knowledge of ? That's why I'm
soooo pissed. I've been there 3 times and if you love dance music, this is
the greatest vacation. 

I recommend going down to Miami for WMC to anybody that likes dance culture
(all genres are represented because ALL of the DJs and Producers from around
the GLOBE attend).

- Chad 

	-----Original Message-----
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	Sent:	Wednesday, February 03, 1999 4:08 PM
	To:	Chad Sommer
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	Subject:	RE: [mw] winter music conf...

	On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chad Sommer wrote:

	> 	Once again, YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU"RE
	> TALKING ABOUT. 

	I have friends and acquaintances that have been. I wouldnt waste my
money.

	Why the fuck are you so sensitive about this? Keep yelling, smart
guy.
	You're coming across as a real champ.


	> 	HARDCORE? - I was at an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PARTY at WMC '97
where
	> Lenny Dee and others were spinning ALL HARDCORE. - EVERY GENRE IS
SHOWCASED
	> from Hardcore to D'n'B to House to trance. EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE
IS
	> THERE!!!!!!!!

	Everything? How many happy hardcore producers showed up?

		dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
	Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla
Squad
	http://hardcorps.org - http://massivemag.com -
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		Contact: VMB - 512-703-8901 -
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How 'bout all the guys that do the English mix CDs (Hixxey, Sharkey etc
etc.) 

If you want the proof I'll dig out the WMC recaps that were in all the
English magazines.

Give it up - You've never been there so you don't know. 

Yes HH is represented.

-Chad

	-----Original Message-----
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	Sent:	Wednesday, February 03, 1999 4:08 PM
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	Subject:	RE: [mw] winter music conf...

	On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chad Sommer wrote:

	> 	Once again, YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU"RE
	> TALKING ABOUT. 

	I have friends and acquaintances that have been. I wouldnt waste my
money.

	Why the fuck are you so sensitive about this? Keep yelling, smart
guy.
	You're coming across as a real champ.


	> 	HARDCORE? - I was at an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PARTY at WMC '97
where
	> Lenny Dee and others were spinning ALL HARDCORE. - EVERY GENRE IS
SHOWCASED
	> from Hardcore to D'n'B to House to trance. EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE
IS
	> THERE!!!!!!!!

	Everything? How many happy hardcore producers showed up?

		dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
	Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla
Squad
	http://hardcorps.org - http://massivemag.com -
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		Contact: VMB - 512-703-8901 -
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>>	HARDCORE? - I was at an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PARTY at WMC '97 where
Lenny Dee and others were spinning ALL HARDCORE. - EVERY GENRE IS SHOWCASED
from Hardcore to D'n'B to House to trance. EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE IS
THERE!!!!!!!!  <<

um... i think he meant like sy, vinylgroover, slipmatt... etcera...

as in happy hardcore... that music that the kids really like... but the
ubermedia kinda writes off?

ain't no hip hop there anyways. =(

entro
south bronx 75



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There isn't any Hip Hop 'cos there are already plenty of Hip-Hop
conferences. 

-Chad

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	>>	HARDCORE? - I was at an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PARTY at WMC '97
where
	Lenny Dee and others were spinning ALL HARDCORE. - EVERY GENRE IS
SHOWCASED
	from Hardcore to D'n'B to House to trance. EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE
IS
	THERE!!!!!!!!  <<

	um... i think he meant like sy, vinylgroover, slipmatt... etcera...

	as in happy hardcore... that music that the kids really like... but
the
	ubermedia kinda writes off?

	ain't no hip hop there anyways. =(

	entro
	south bronx 75
	

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chad Sommer wrote:

> You say that it doesn't sound like fun, yet you've never been there. Then
> you say there's no hardcore, and there is, but you've never been there to
> know.

Theres no happy hardcore. That means no fun. I wouldnt go. Simple enough
for you?

> The original post was a question about what goes on there. You have never
> been there yet you tell the guy that it doesn't sound like fun - why would

Which is my opinion. You dont like it, thats all well and good. But
getting all up in my face about it is pretty pointless. If the people going
down there are as friendly and smart as you, thats probably another reason
to stay away.  ;)

> I recommend going down to Miami for WMC to anybody that likes dance culture
>(all genres are represented because ALL of the DJs and Producers from around
> the GLOBE attend).

Again not all genres are represented. How many happy hardcore producers
were there? Zero.


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If you were to go to the WMC, you would change your mind.  South Beach is an
entirely different planet!  I personally met the guys from Daft Punk, Roni
Size (I know....who cares), Josh Wink, Robert Armani, any many other cool
cats!  The parties-like the Josh Wink, King Britt, Carl Craig-had about 150
people.  The place was plush, with suede couches, ohms painted in the
ceilings, a CLEAN single bathroom with an aromic candle burning.  It was the
best vibe I've ever felt!  People give out promos like they're going out of
style.  It fuckin' rocks!  I was at a private pool party with like 50 people
where Naturtal Born Chillers, Doc Martin, Moloko and others were playing.
Q-burn was hangin' around and Sasha was scheduled to spin but had to fly to
L.A. to remix Madonna's "Ray of Light" (curse her black heart-I shall never
forgive her).
Basically, anyone you've ever heard of or wanted to see is there.  I went to
a party with Terry Mullan, DJ Dan, Feelgood, Metalheadz, Fatboy slim, Ice
and Storm and others for like five bucks.  I'll be there again this year you
can bet yer ass!
www.wmcon.com
hope you are fortunate enough to make it to the raver's paradise....
willebear
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>On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 PixiEg4713@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I thought the winter music conferance was supposted to be something for
>> business people in the scene, but everyone I know who talks about it like
it's
>> just a huge weekend party.  Anybody have any comments about that?
>
>It is a big industry party with some emphasis on dance music. Most people
>just pay to fly down there and hang around the bars/hotels/lounges in
>a chance they can chat itup with someone "famous" in the scene.
>
>Not my idea of fun, but hey, who am I to say? =P
>
> dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
>Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad
>http://hardcorps.org - http://massivemag.com - http://hardcorps.org/thugs
> Contact: VMB - 512-703-8901 - http://hardcorps.org/muppetfucker
>


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> 	You have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE
> THAT PEOPLE COMPLETELY TALK OUT OF THEIR ASSES ON THIS BOARD. OBVIOUSLY YOU
> HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE, OR HAVE TALKED WITH ANYBODY THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN
> THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Okay, you're wrong. <<

dayum.  if its that personal.

obviously if cats aren't into danny, sasha, digs, or look upon this wmc as
maybe old news compared to what is surfacing as the next now thing... those
cats obviously aren't gonna think wmc is a really good idea.  one man's
pleasure is another man's poison.

personally, my own opinion is this... schmoozing has not been one of my finer
points... neither has partying (used in the version of reckless abandon... and
not in te version of having fun.) now a days that i've adopted a holistic
lifestyle... 

i've never been to the conference (offered to play there twice.) and neither
has muppetfucker i take it... but i'm pretty damned sure both of us... being
around 'dj and promoter' types... because we make some of what those wmc'ers
call 'rave music'... we know and HAVE heard about wmc... and know what its
about. 

for a conference that essentially tells dj's that aren't deemed important by
the ubermedia of techno... sure come on down... pay your own way... spin for
free... and schmooze and maybe you'll get somewhere kissing ass... that ain't
my idea of fun... i'd rather go to jamaica... which i am doing anyways... just
to soak up roots and culture.

for the price of wmc you could easily get a flight and hotel to holland... and
visit eye-d...

but i mean different strokes for different folks...

i guess you can start to see how divided in taste techno is... 

which is a beautiful thing.

entro
"dirty grimy ghetto yout."
speaking of conferences... how about a group trip to jamaica.


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I aint going cuz you're there and you suck.

h0h0h0.

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chad Sommer wrote:

> How 'bout all the guys that do the English mix CDs (Hixxey, Sharkey etc
> etc.) 
> 
> If you want the proof I'll dig out the WMC recaps that were in all the
> English magazines.
> 
> Give it up - You've never been there so you don't know. 
> 
> Yes HH is represented.


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NO, you suck because you tell someone that WMC doesn't sound fun, when in
actuality it's a blast.

Think about it like this:

What if somebody that doesn't "think" they like the type of music that you
spin. What if they went around saying, "DJ Muppetfucker" plays music that I
don't like and I don't think he's any good.

Well have you ever heard DJ Muppetfucker spin?

No.

Then how can you say he sucks.

Well I guess I can't really...

-Chad Sommer

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	I aint going cuz you're there and you suck.

	h0h0h0.

	On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chad Sommer wrote:

	> How 'bout all the guys that do the English mix CDs (Hixxey,
Sharkey etc
	> etc.) 
	> 
	> If you want the proof I'll dig out the WMC recaps that were in all
the
	> English magazines.
	> 
	> Give it up - You've never been there so you don't know. 
	> 
	> Yes HH is represented.


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enough already about the damn wmc! chad and muppetfucker, could you take
this spitting contest private please? it's appreciated.

=jes


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many of you are on the PB-CLE list as well as this 1. so you know about UH-OH,
the party they organized. well y dont WE, being the MW list, do the same?

i know theres plenty of DJ, Producers, Promotors,Lighting and Sound people on
this list. WE can do it. A lot of us know eachother and every1 knows eachother
thru sum1 else.

WE could all pick sum1 to be the head person, donate
money,time,skills,equipment and whut not. i dont know why WE havnt done this
yet, it is a great way to revitalize our scene and bring together people who
have never worked together b4.  there is no shortage of talent on this list.
from well known Dj'z and producers to not so poplar or well known Dj'z. its a
geat way to showcase our talent and show every1 the Mid West iz just farms and
cowz and tractors   :p

this is off the top of  my head and just a suggestion so u can see im not to
organized with it. Just posting it to see how many people would be interested
in helping and making it poossible. Im all for it and will donate my time and
ne thing else needed.

enough with the flame wars and all the bullshit lets werk together and see
whut we can accomplish!

GabE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"techno has all of those blips and beeps that make me want to dance on my
toes... house makes everyone do that 'walking in place' thing... jungle is
sorta like moving your hands all over your body w/o actually touching
yourself... and happy hardcore is kinda like everyone is in fast forward."
  - BeCcA*

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In a message dated 2/3/99 3:48:44 PM CST, GNM3744@aol.com writes:

<< this is off the top of  my head and just a suggestion so u can see im not
to
 organized with it. Just posting it to see how many people would be interested
 in helping and making it poossible. Im all for it and will donate my time and
 ne thing else needed.
  >>

the nw-raves list just held a party like this called de lurk this weekend that
popped off well. we could probaby do something similar and have it go well
also. we should try it.

chris

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How does the conference work with DJs?  Are all these parties and club events
thrown by many individual promoters or just one big one?  Sounds to me like
it's one huge weekend party thrown by one huge promoter.  Do the DJs all play
for free?  Do they charge DJs like Josh Wink, Plastic Man for passes?  Most
real business "conferences" I have been to, they charge everyone who goes
including the vendors.  So is it a music conference like it's names...or more
of a big weekend Rave?

> i'd rather go to jamaica... which i am doing anyways... just
>  to soak up roots and culture.
I'd bet your be doing more then just "soaking" the root... maybe smoking? ;)

-Lisa

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The confereance is just like any "convention". It takes place at a Hotel and
there are all kinds of discussion panels etc. throughout the day. At night
all the record labels, booking agencies and magazines from around the rent
out clubs, hotels, actually any venue that you can through a party. The
parties feature DJs and P.A.s from all around the world and the parties are
open to the public. That means that even if you don't pay (register) to go
to the panels, you can still go to all the parties. All the club venues in
Miami ( I'm pretty sure ) are 18+. I think. You might want to check first. 

It's real fun to go to a beachfront hotel at 6PM and here DJs playing (and
grab some free buffet food). Then go to a club/venue (the club venues aren't
like the midwest, they are actually really cool) and hear somebody like Carl
Cox. Then, finally, wind up at an after-hours with a whole bunch of other
DJs at a beachfront house that was rented on a little island right off of
Miami. 

Like I said before, it is the best rave vacation you can get in America. 

- Chad 

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	How does the conference work with DJs?  Are all these parties and
club events
	thrown by many individual promoters or just one big one?  Sounds to
me like
	it's one huge weekend party thrown by one huge promoter.  Do the DJs
all play
	for free?  Do they charge DJs like Josh Wink, Plastic Man for
passes?  Most
	real business "conferences" I have been to, they charge everyone who
goes
	including the vendors.  So is it a music conference like it's
names...or more
	of a big weekend Rave?

	> i'd rather go to jamaica... which i am doing anyways... just
	>  to soak up roots and culture.
	I'd bet your be doing more then just "soaking" the root... maybe
smoking? ;)

	-Lisa

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hahahah sorry just thought this was funny  :p


>:As you are receiving my note by e-mail, it's wise to remember how
>:easily this wonderful technology can be misused, sometimes unintentionally,
>:with serious consequences.  Consider the case of the Illinois man who left
>:the snow-filled streets of Chicago for a vacation in Florida.
>:His wife was on a business trip and was planning to meet
>:him there the next day. When he reached his hotel, he decided to send his
>:wife a quick e-mail.
>:
>:Unable to find the scrap of paper on which he had written her
>:e-mail address, he did his best to type it in from memory.
>:Unfortunately, he missed one letter and his note was
>:directed instead to an elderly preacher's wife, whose husband had  passed
>:away only the day before.  When the grieving widow checked her e-mail, she
>:took one look at the monitor, let out a piercing scream, and fell to the
>:floor in a dead faint.  At the sound, her family rushed into the room and
>saw
>:this note on the screen:
>:
>:Dearest Wife, Just got checked in.  Everything prepared for
>:your arrival tomorrow.
>:
>:Your Loving Husband
>:PS. Sure is hot down here.
>


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Well put!
"the best rave vacation you can get in America."
-chad sommer
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>The confereance is just like any "convention". It takes place at a Hotel
and
>there are all kinds of discussion panels etc. throughout the day. At night
>all the record labels, booking agencies and magazines from around the rent
>out clubs, hotels, actually any venue that you can through a party. The
>parties feature DJs and P.A.s from all around the world and the parties are
>open to the public. That means that even if you don't pay (register) to go
>to the panels, you can still go to all the parties. All the club venues in
>Miami ( I'm pretty sure ) are 18+. I think. You might want to check first.
>
>It's real fun to go to a beachfront hotel at 6PM and here DJs playing (and
>grab some free buffet food). Then go to a club/venue (the club venues
aren't
>like the midwest, they are actually really cool) and hear somebody like
Carl
>Cox. Then, finally, wind up at an after-hours with a whole bunch of other
>DJs at a beachfront house that was rented on a little island right off of
>Miami.
>
>Like I said before, it is the best rave vacation you can get in America.
>
>- Chad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PixiEg4713@aol.com [SMTP:PixiEg4713@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:50 PM
> To: MW-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: [mw] Winter Music Rave or Conferance?
>
> How does the conference work with DJs?  Are all these parties and
>club events
> thrown by many individual promoters or just one big one?  Sounds to
>me like
> it's one huge weekend party thrown by one huge promoter.  Do the DJs
>all play
> for free?  Do they charge DJs like Josh Wink, Plastic Man for
>passes?  Most
> real business "conferences" I have been to, they charge everyone who
>goes
> including the vendors.  So is it a music conference like it's
>names...or more
> of a big weekend Rave?
>
> > i'd rather go to jamaica... which i am doing anyways... just
> >  to soak up roots and culture.
> I'd bet your be doing more then just "soaking" the root... maybe
>smoking? ;)
>
> -Lisa


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My take on the WMC:

It's geared toward the clubs/ anything marketable.

I personally wouldn't mind going. Maybe get some mixtapes made and pass 'em
around or something. I know some of the music that I like (ie the harder
stuff) will probably not be an emphasis, but what the hell. I saw a pic of
Lenny Dee & (I think) Manu Limalin(sp) taken at the WMC a year or two back. 

Yes it's a shmoozefest. But if it was free...why the hell not.

I know that there was a Plus 8 party there. Of course I'd love to go to a
Napalm, Svek or Next Generation pool party. Is the WMC underground? Who cares.
Busty Miami/club broads drunk out of their minds...it's all good.

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>	HARDCORE? - I was at an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PARTY at WMC '97 where
>Lenny Dee and others were spinning ALL HARDCORE. - EVERY GENRE IS SHOWCASED
>from Hardcore to D'n'B to House to trance. EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE IS
>THERE!!!!!!!!

maybe that's why some people (noah included i would assume) don't like it. 

after all not everyone is all about the hype, the big spending, and the ass
kissing. do you really need everyone and everything to have a good time?  

i suppose I'm wrong though, we should all want MORE AND MORE and come to
expect MORE AND MORE all the time...  after all don't we deserve it?

chris

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Phil,

It is not "geared" towards anything. Especially not "clubs/ anything
marketable". It is really just an "excuse" for everybody in the global dance
community to go to Miami in the winter, and PARTY! During the day a lot of
people pass out records, tapes, business cards at the pool but at night its
just non-stop parties. The vibe in the room when Danny Tenaglia spins on
Monday night at Groovejet is UNREAL. You actually see the love and respect
all these people have for electronic dance music. And it is NOT a bunch of
record label execs standing at the bar. It is people like you and me and
dancing side by side with guys like Josh Wink (for example.). Carl Cox will
be Djing and you'll be dancing with the promotion guy from Sm;le.

Once again I'd like to reinforce that all types of dance music are
highlighted because the parties ARE NOT put together by the people that
organize the conference. Most of the parties are thrown by the record
labels. Lots of the producers and DJs from those labels perform at the
label's party.

Labels and Magazines that have done great parties that I've attended (there
are TONS more):

URB
Twisted
Sm;)e
Nervous 
Ovum
London/FFRR
...tons more.

- Chad

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	My take on the WMC:

	It's geared toward the clubs/ anything marketable.

	I personally wouldn't mind going. Maybe get some mixtapes made and
pass 'em
	around or something. I know some of the music that I like (ie the
harder
	stuff) will probably not be an emphasis, but what the hell. I saw a
pic of
	Lenny Dee & (I think) Manu Limalin(sp) taken at the WMC a year or
two back. 

	Yes it's a shmoozefest. But if it was free...why the hell not.

	I know that there was a Plus 8 party there. Of course I'd love to go
to a
	Napalm, Svek or Next Generation pool party. Is the WMC underground?
Who cares.
	Busty Miami/club broads drunk out of their minds...it's all good.

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 03 22:48:29 1999
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And speaking of the Plus 8 party. In 1997 it was held at a little bar and
Richie Hawtin was the bartender. He was playing plastikman CDs and pouring
shots. I still have my Plus 8 shotglass!

- Chad 

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	My take on the WMC:

	It's geared toward the clubs/ anything marketable.

	I personally wouldn't mind going. Maybe get some mixtapes made and
pass 'em
	around or something. I know some of the music that I like (ie the
harder
	stuff) will probably not be an emphasis, but what the hell. I saw a
pic of
	Lenny Dee & (I think) Manu Limalin(sp) taken at the WMC a year or
two back. 

	Yes it's a shmoozefest. But if it was free...why the hell not.

	I know that there was a Plus 8 party there. Of course I'd love to go
to a
	Napalm, Svek or Next Generation pool party. Is the WMC underground?
Who cares.
	Busty Miami/club broads drunk out of their minds...it's all good.

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 GNM3744@aol.com wrote:

> many of you are on the PB-CLE list as well as this 1. so you know about UH-OH,
> the party they organized. well y dont WE, being the MW list, do the same?

because pb and cle span a somewhat smaller area than the midwest does.
have you thought about a location yet?  since we can't even decide what
states make up the midwest, how are we gonna pick a city that's in the
middle?  and even if we succeeded in doing that, the midwest is so big
that a number of ppl wouldn't be able to make it out there.  
i like the idea, and i'm with you all the way, as long as the party's in
ann arbor  =P
**doris**


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It's not more and more makes better. 

If there are a few DJs that you've never heard play, but always wanted to
but couldn't afford to fly all around the world to check them out, then
chances are you will be able to get a chance to catch all of them on one
vacation - everything is in one place at one time. Kinda like an electronic
dance music smorgasbord. 

-Chad

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	>	HARDCORE? - I was at an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PARTY at WMC '97
where
	>Lenny Dee and others were spinning ALL HARDCORE. - EVERY GENRE IS
SHOWCASED
	>from Hardcore to D'n'B to House to trance. EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE
IS
	>THERE!!!!!!!!

	maybe that's why some people (noah included i would assume) don't
like it. 

	after all not everyone is all about the hype, the big spending, and
the ass
	kissing. do you really need everyone and everything to have a good
time?  

	i suppose I'm wrong though, we should all want MORE AND MORE and
come to
	expect MORE AND MORE all the time...  after all don't we deserve it?

	chris

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Pick Kansas City of St. Louis.  Both are centrally located, have major
airports and interstates.

-----Original Message-----
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To: GNM3744@aol.com <GNM3744@aol.com>
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>On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 GNM3744@aol.com wrote:
>
>> many of you are on the PB-CLE list as well as this 1. so you know about
UH-OH,
>> the party they organized. well y dont WE, being the MW list, do the same?
>
>because pb and cle span a somewhat smaller area than the midwest does.
>have you thought about a location yet?  since we can't even decide what
>states make up the midwest, how are we gonna pick a city that's in the
>middle?  and even if we succeeded in doing that, the midwest is so big
>that a number of ppl wouldn't be able to make it out there.
>i like the idea, and i'm with you all the way, as long as the party's in
>ann arbor  =P
>**doris**
>
>


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well this year i have decided to most likely go to wmc because i found out a
way to go and be a runner for the conference....work in exchange for a badge
(saving the $300 dollars that it would take to get a badge...) 

(plus i receieved a round trip airfare ticket for a birthday present this
year....so why the hell should i not go?)

the only thing i have yet to find a place to sleep but i know a few kids from
miami....

so even better....

plus i am interested in hearing music in a context outside the typical rave
atmosphere....=) thats why I am wanting to go....

fugg the schmoozing and azz kissing....i'm there just to hear the music....you
dont have to azz kiss...its not a requirement....=) 

heheheheh....=D

looking forward to going...looking forward to having a great spring break from
skool in miami kikkin it hellafriedravestyleeeeee.

but not looking to writing the 3 papers i have to write for skool tonight
<giggle> 
peeeeSh
lauryN*

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At 05:24 PM 2/3/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Pick Kansas City of St. Louis.  Both are centrally located, have major
>airports and interstates.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: doris <dpayer@umich.edu>
>To: GNM3744@aol.com <GNM3744@aol.com>
>Cc: MW-raves@hyperreal.org <MW-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 4:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [mw] MWraves List Party
>
>
>>On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 GNM3744@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> many of you are on the PB-CLE list as well as this 1. so you know about
>UH-OH,
>>> the party they organized. well y dont WE, being the MW list, do the same?
>>
>>because pb and cle span a somewhat smaller area than the midwest does.
>>have you thought about a location yet?  since we can't even decide what
>>states make up the midwest, how are we gonna pick a city that's in the
>>middle?  and even if we succeeded in doing that, the midwest is so big
>>that a number of ppl wouldn't be able to make it out there.
>>i like the idea, and i'm with you all the way, as long as the party's in
>>ann arbor  =P
>>**doris**
>>
>>
>
how about indy..cause it's in the middle for most of us..but i don't know
about the people in like kansas and stuff..

JaMeS


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i would almost think that indianapolis would be more centrally
located...however chicago would be more of the logical spot since most of the
people on the list are probably from there or within a 5 hr driving
distance....i cant say that i could go to it if it was in some place like st
louis or ann arbor or anywhere like that..chicago is even pushing it for me
since im in school...most of us cant take off and go on a 5 hr roadtrip during
the winter like this...

why dont we at least wait until school is out for the semester?  


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>Pick Kansas City of St. Louis.  Both are centrally located, have major
>airports and interstates.

I'm down with KC...I can check into venues around here although I'm not 
sure about finding one big enough that won't get busted...lawerence 
might work too, I know of a couple of venue's there...hell I'm throwin a 
party on the 26th of feb at one of them...lets dud my party the 
"official mw-raves party"...I make flyers tonight and I could put that 
on there...
dylan
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How about MN? lets make E*V*E*R*Y*B*O*D*Y inconvienced!

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I'd like to think that we will progress.. i mean you don't really see 
those big ass gas masks that used to be the shit much anymore do you?  
But that was a couple years ago.. eh well, eventually the underground 
rave scene will fizzle out anyways, consumerism exposes all that is 
"hip" and the mainstream will always prevail.. Or at least that's what 
my brother the former Punk RAWKer told me. haha

Ethan
bondseer@hotmail.com
ICQ:629161
>
>Too bad phat pants have become the rave uniform. Even hip-hop was able 
to
>move forward. But I guess with any "white" youth culture the clothes 
won't
>progress. In ten years "ravers" will still look the same - I thought 
this
>culture was future forward? No, we must stick with huge pants forever
>because without them we will no longer be ravers.
>
>-   Chad Sommer
>
>In no way am I saying that ravers should give up phat pants because of 
a
>news article but it sure would be a shame if in a few years people 
looked at
>ravers and said the same things as they say today about punks/goths and
>hippies. "Would they just get over it, already its 1999".  
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:   dylan dorrell [SMTP:ddorrell@hotmail.com]
>    Sent:   Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:33 PM
>    To:     mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>    Subject:        Re: [mw] A Fad Flames Out , and Retailers Get 
Burned
>
>    >Federated's Bloomingdale's stopped carrying ultrawide-leg pants
>last
>    >spring. "They were very successful, but they were basically a fad
>as 
>    >opposed to a style," said Kal Ruttenstein, senior vice president
>for 
>    >fashion direction.
>
>    AH FUCK...You mean it was justa fad...and I thought I was in style 
>    too...Anybody wanna buy some kikwears or some jnco crime 
scene's...I
>
>    gotta go get some "non-denim, sleeker styles: drawstring pants, 
>    carpenter pants, and multipocketed cargo pants."...I guess it's a
>good 
>    thing that I'm into "rave dance clubs"
>
>    one other thing...
>
>    >several years ago, Gadzooks had trouble selling red-leather, 
>    >multizippered, Michael Jackson-style jackets at $299 apiece; it
>>marked 
>    them down within weeks to $4.99
>
>    where the fuck were those??? I missed them...I want one...
>
>    peace
>    dylan
>
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At 04:30 PM 2/3/99 -0600, dj muppetfucker wrote:
>I aint going cuz you're there and you suck.
>
>h0h0h0.
>
Now thats just a fucking intelligent post if I have ever seen one.  


Tad bringing you 5 seconds of sarcasm.


>On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chad Sommer wrote:
>
>> How 'bout all the guys that do the English mix CDs (Hixxey, Sharkey etc
>> etc.) 
>> 
>> If you want the proof I'll dig out the WMC recaps that were in all the
>> English magazines.
>> 
>> Give it up - You've never been there so you don't know. 
>> 
>> Yes HH is represented.
>
>
>	dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
>Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad
>http://hardcorps.org - http://massivemag.com - http://hardcorps.org/thugs
>	Contact: VMB - 512-703-8901 - http://hardcorps.org/muppetfucker
>
>
>


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> 
> 	Once again, YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU"RE
> TALKING ABOUT. 
> 
> 	HARDCORE? - I was at an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH PARTY at WMC '97 where
> Lenny Dee and others were spinning ALL HARDCORE. - EVERY GENRE IS SHOWCASED
> from Hardcore to D'n'B to House to trance. EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE IS
> THERE!!!!!!!!
> 
Lenny Dee's a pussy and so are you. Neener neener.

matt


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is anyone here going to bobbys universe this weekend in nashville?

lauryn*

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i'm sure ya'll have fun... so go if ya want... my comments are limited tho...

1.  hip hop at wmc... as far as i know the only real hip hop conference...
rocksteady weekend... isn't really much of a conference... its like a little
further for hip hop... the rest of those supposed hip hop conferences... are
thrown by industries.. who lost their head when it came to real hip hop... and
the other artists such as mood, hi-tek, rawkus, and the like may be left out
in the cold (q-burn's biting premier... blah blah blah...) if it ain't
formatted as acid jazz... it stays the fuck home.  fascism.  i'm sure rawkus
may be there this year cos of the jungle portion but... and may try to get
their artists slotted somewhere on the hip hop level... but... honestly... if
its all down to FORMAT... and tiny little boxes... it ain't my vibe.

2.  you forget, chad, there are those of us... for whatever reasons... (and i
could go on for hours on this) who might have a musical vision to express at
WMC but us starving artists... don't work a job that allows us to synthesize
with the wmc conference, i.e. press, radio, etcera... some of us work shitty
ass 9-5's while busting our asses and funds to represent our dreams... and
can't get the time off of work to go and work a hellalot more... in
disguise... affixing our lips to the buttocks of the next big thing...
personally, the 800$ that i would spend... which will not be paid by any of my
labels as tour expenses... would be better spent in a more positive
direction... i.e. instead of pitching a demo... starting a label... and owning
my own publishing... its nice to party... yes... and go on vacation... but
maybe i'm just realizing today... i ain't a raver... cos the idea of wmc for
me as a vacation just sucks... i don't fit the FORMAT.

3.  file my ass under "music for introverted recovering drug addicts."  Its
the same reason i never went to prom or spring break.  same reason alot of us
grew up listening to crass... same reason i still like to think of myself as
anti-establishment.
same reason new york hardcore tried to destroy 54.  ain't my bag to see a
bunch of aging gurners running around rolling their asses off for the first
time in a long while...
and for some reason... 

don't ask me why

it kinda depresses me to hear the word's industry and underground
interchanged....

just a little...

entro

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On the note of picking the most "central" location in the name of
convenience for a list party...

Pretty much, the people most willing to take care of all the
party-planning necessities get to pick the city where the party is
held.  That's all that can be said on that note.  The past two
largescale mw-raves net parties that were thrown occurred because the
hosts threw it in (1) their place of business and (2) their house.
This, of course was very convenient simply because those spaces were
guaranteed.  It also meant that people choosing to attend didn't need to
contribute too much in the way of $, other than for communal meals,
water, etc.  The resultant lower cost factor is safer moneywise for the
host and in addition can provide a lower cost incentive for kids to trek
in over a longer distance, as well.

As long as there is a space to play in and tables to play with, I'm
guessing that listpersons would be glad to donate their DJing skills.
Fun is the idea, after all.  ;-}  And what mw-raver wouldn't be willing
to roadtrip for a good party?  The last mw-list party I went to involved
a 9-hour drive and was worth every hour of the trip.  (Ghetto
Kru...rah!)  That was several years ago now, though, so perhaps
attitudes regarding such matters have changed even more than I've
realized.

Always,
Erinaceous
;-}


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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Richard Parsons wrote:

> Pick Kansas City of St. Louis.  Both are centrally located, have major
> airports and interstates.

Im sorry, but KC is not centrally located in the least (well, at least in 
the mw). But then again what is?  I think Indy is the best bet or Chicago
if you people are serious about this.  Either way the people living on the
edges of the ill-defined midwest are fucked (sorry NB and MN and TN).

Then again, Lafayette is *roughly* half way between Chicago and Indy and
right off of I-65... 

And lets see why yes, we are throwing a party on April 16th to be
headlined by essentially all mw-raves djs (by the way I am still in the
process of contacting people but have been just a _tad_ busy recently)...

Ha! I think everyone just wants it to be close to where they live.

who cares,
Adam




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Im all for the idea!!  First things first, we would as a collective have to
try
to come up with a reasonable location for the party.  Using my handy-dandy
Rand McNally trip-maker, I have come up with a possible location, 
and the distances from other cities I know kids are from on this list::
What can I say, im a geek ;P  If anyone else has any possible locals
they would like me to analyze, I would be more than happy :)  Send em
my way :)
 
Oh, and before anyone asks the validity of this data, it was all calculated
at 72 mph, using the quickest route humanly possible, not taking into
consideration construction, stops, ect...ect...ect... so.....  

Champaign/Urbana IL

Ann Arbor, MI          5 hrs   5 min
Minneapolis, MN      7 hrs 24 min
Cleveland, OH          6 hrs 22 min
Milwaukee, WI         3 hrs 20 min
Omaha, NE             7 hrs   5 min
Kansas City, MO     6 hrs  10 min
St Louis, MO           2 hrs  27 min
Indianapolis, IN        1 hrs  48 min
Columbus, OH         4 hrs  20 min
Detroit, MI               5 hrs  34 min
Dayton, OH             3 hrs  29 min
Louisville, KY          3 hrs  35 min
Chicago, IL             1 hrs  57 min
Madison, WI           3 hrs  41 min
Cincinnati, OH        3 hrs  27 min
Iowa City, IA           3 hrs  36 min

Peace!      ~Darian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Work like you don't need the money, 
Love like you've never been hurt, 
And dance like no one's watching :)
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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 GNM3744@aol.com wrote:

> many of you are on the PB-CLE list as well as this 1. so you know about UH-
OH,
> the party they organized. well y dont WE, being the MW list, do the same?

because pb and cle span a somewhat smaller area than the midwest does.
have you thought about a location yet?  since we can't even decide what
states make up the midwest, how are we gonna pick a city that's in the
middle?  and even if we succeeded in doing that, the midwest is so big
that a number of ppl wouldn't be able to make it out there.  
i like the idea, and i'm with you all the way, as long as the party's in
ann arbor  =P
**doris**


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How entertaining this all is:
"You suck"
-"No! You suck!"
"Well you suck worse!"
-"Well my dad could beat up your dad!"
"Oh yeah, well my turntables are slicker than your turntables!"
-"Oh yeah well I've got plush slipmats!!"

ahh, this is fun.  Please, please, continue.. at the end of this all 
we'll crown one of you the ultimate in Big Dick and you can hop around 
singin Queen's "We are the Champions"

Ethan
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>NO, you suck because you tell someone that WMC doesn't sound fun, when 
in
>actuality it's a blast.
>
>Think about it like this:
>
>What if somebody that doesn't "think" they like the type of music that 
you
>spin. What if they went around saying, "DJ Muppetfucker" plays music 
that I
>don't like and I don't think he's any good.
>
>Well have you ever heard DJ Muppetfucker spin?
>
>No.
>
>Then how can you say he sucks.
>
>Well I guess I can't really...
>
>-Chad Sommer
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:   dj muppetfucker [SMTP:noahphex@happy.hardcorps.org]
>    Sent:   Wednesday, February 03, 1999 4:31 PM
>    To:     Chad Sommer
>    Cc:     Midwest Raves R Us
>    Subject:        RE: [mw] winter music conf...
>
>    I aint going cuz you're there and you suck.
>
>    h0h0h0.
>
>    On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chad Sommer wrote:
>
>    > How 'bout all the guys that do the English mix CDs (Hixxey,
>Sharkey etc
>    > etc.) 
>    > 
>    > If you want the proof I'll dig out the WMC recaps that were in 
all
>the
>    > English magazines.
>    > 
>    > Give it up - You've never been there so you don't know. 
>    > 
>    > Yes HH is represented.
>
>
>            dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
>    Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla
>Squad
>    http://hardcorps.org - http://massivemag.com -
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>            Contact: VMB - 512-703-8901 -
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Sounds cool, I'm all for it. But I vote for Chicago or Mnpls. just cuz I 
don't want to drive any further.. just me being selfish I guess.. 

Yeah, but I'm for it, I'll bring the.. me..

Ethan
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PS to Chris> sorry you got two versions of this, the first time Iforgot 
to add the MW-raves@hyperreal.org, so ya know I had to retype it and 
damn my short term memory aint what it used to be so the message ended 
up a little different.. now why am I wasting bandwidth typing this whole 
PS thing.. beats the hell out of me!

>In a message dated 2/3/99 3:48:44 PM CST, GNM3744@aol.com writes:
>
><< this is off the top of  my head and just a suggestion so u can see 
im not
>to
> organized with it. Just posting it to see how many people would be 
interested
> in helping and making it poossible. Im all for it and will donate my 
time and
> ne thing else needed.
>  >>
>
>the nw-raves list just held a party like this called de lurk this 
weekend that
>popped off well. we could probaby do something similar and have it go 
well
>also. we should try it.
>
>chris
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yeah good call,warmer is always better anyways.. and it takes time to 
plan good parties.. well actually there's gotta be something to be said 
for spontanaiety.. ah well whatev

Ethan
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>
>i would almost think that indianapolis would be more centrally
>located...however chicago would be more of the logical spot since most 
of the
>people on the list are probably from there or within a 5 hr driving
>distance....i cant say that i could go to it if it was in some place 
like st
>louis or ann arbor or anywhere like that..chicago is even pushing it 
for me
>since im in school...most of us cant take off and go on a 5 hr roadtrip 
during
>the winter like this...
>
>why dont we at least wait until school is out for the semester?  
>
>


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[where to have the net party...]

> Champaign/Urbana IL

And no one in my house had anything to do with prompting Darian into
suggesting this!  Crazy... =)

While we haven't cleared it with all of my roommates yet, I know at least
four of them are down.  We've had parties @ our house before (I think 300
or 400 kids, but 1-200 comfortably). 

I'll post up to the list tomorrow or so after I convince the rest of my
roommates =)

peas,
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yah Champaign/Urbana IL is a pretty gewd spot..it's close to everyone..i'd
go if it wuz there..

JaMeS


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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:46:25 -0500 (EST) Pete Mannix <peter@pubnix.org>
writes:

>[where to have the net party...]
>
>> Champaign/Urbana IL

Ya know, I didn't even have to look at a map to figure that out.

Not only is it centrally located, but they have a good scene with
reputable promoters
and the city seems to be pretty cool with parties.

I say hook up one of those Armories and go all out.

	Joe
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Champaign/Urbana IL...yeah if it was gonna be a dope party and It was on 
a fairly uneventful weekend I would make the 7 hr trip to get there... 
my $00.02
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 Anything already scheduled coming up here?? I am currently in 
Bloomington, Il.. And wouldnt it be nice if I didnt have to drive so far 
for a party once.. Anyhow.. Anyone in Champaign/urbana need anyhelp 
putting anything together.. Would love to help...
                         (0_0) Love to all...
                                     Dan Sharp

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The SERAVES Mailing list just threw one about 3 weeks ago, and it was fun, but
the one thing that went wrong was everyone decided that they wanted the party
to be private, so everyone was supposed to RSVP because it was decided that if
you didn't RSVP you didn't get in, each person from the list was allowed three
guests and the cost to get into the party was $5, for EVERYONE, even some of
the DJ's (who were playing for free already) had to pay to get in. So about
500 people RSVPed, but only like 150 showed up, so the people who put up the
money for the venue, lighting, etc. were left w/ quite a large debt. So if we
were to throw one, i say why not make some money off it and open it to the
public, that way the DJs can at least get paid for gas money and no one has to
deal w/ debts, i'm sure there are a couple of flier designers on this list
that would be willing to donate their talent in designing a simple inexpensive
flier. The people on the list would not have to pay as much as the general
public and maybe we could even make badges or lamenents to tell who is on the
list and who's not. Ok, imma quit rambling now =P
just my .02
Laine

In a message dated 2/3/99 3:48:36 PM CST, GNM3744@aol.com writes:

<< many of you are on the PB-CLE list as well as this 1. so you know about UH-
OH,
 the party they organized. well y dont WE, being the MW list, do the same?
 
 i know theres plenty of DJ, Producers, Promotors,Lighting and Sound people on
 this list. WE can do it. A lot of us know eachother and every1 knows
eachother
 thru sum1 else.
 
 WE could all pick sum1 to be the head person, donate
 money,time,skills,equipment and whut not. i dont know why WE havnt done this
 yet, it is a great way to revitalize our scene and bring together people who
 have never worked together b4.  there is no shortage of talent on this list.
 from well known Dj'z and producers to not so poplar or well known Dj'z. its a
 geat way to showcase our talent and show every1 the Mid West iz just farms
and
 cowz and tractors   :p
 
 this is off the top of  my head and just a suggestion so u can see im not to
 organized with it. Just posting it to see how many people would be interested
 in helping and making it poossible. Im all for it and will donate my time and
 ne thing else needed.
 
 enough with the flame wars and all the bullshit lets werk together and see
 whut we can accomplish!
 
 GabE >>

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, dylan dorrell wrote:
> Champaign/Urbana IL...yeah if it was gonna be a dope party and It was on
> a fairly uneventful weekend I would make the 7 hr trip to get there...

just out of curiosity, what kind of party is everyone talking about?
some of you seem to want a full scale blowout while others are talking
about smaller gatherings. peter manix probably has the best suggestion--a
mwraves house party. matter had a very cool all mwraves house party a
while back. something of that scope is feasible and a good way to really
meet people. my votes for the house party/sleep over
thing....there's nothing like watching mwraves people try to cook
breakfast....

matt

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In a message dated 2/3/99 6:51:46 PM CST, GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com writes:

<< is anyone here going to bobbys universe this weekend in nashville?
 
 lauryn*
  >>
I AM!!!!!!!!!!, i'm not about to miss the sequal to my first party =)
See everyone there ------ LAine

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i'd say the smaller party would be bettah a lot more fun :) btw anybody
have an idea when this mite be???


JaMes..


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>  i'm not sure who it was that said she sucked so much (i forget).. but, i
>  love the tracks she produces, and i love her hard jungle mixes.  I don't
>  think she sucks. 

that would be me.

but we're all entitled to our own opinions.

jd

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> peter manix probably has the best suggestion--a
> mwraves house party. matter had a very cool all mwraves house party a
> while back. something of that scope is feasible and a good way to really
> meet people. my votes for the house party/sleep over
> thing....

i'm fully with matt on this one!!  i had to make a huge effort to get out
to chicago for that party (matter's) (like, ride w/ ppl i didn't even
know...), but i wasn't gonna miss it for the world, and i'm glad i didn't.
it was shortly after i signed on to mw-raves so it was really cool to meet
some of the ppl whose names i'd been reading.  and i can honestly say that
that party changed my life (in an if i hadn't met this person then i
wouldn't have met that person and wouldn't have done this or that kinda
way...).  so, uh, yeah, i have no idea why i just shared that with y'all,
i guess my point is that seeing another house party like that go off would
really make me happy, and if it does happen, i urge everybody to go, cause
those are the best  =)
and, since i'm getting my car back tomorrow (after 2 years, woooooo-haa!!!)
roadtrip lady will be back in full effect, so you better believe i'll be
there!  with bells on.  and nothing else.  :9  (provided it's no further
than champaign/urbana)


> there's nothing like watching mwraves people try to cook
> breakfast....

or vegan brownies....mmmmmm   =)

ok i hope this happens.....none of that open to the public try to make a
profit bullshit, please?
**doris**


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>just out of curiosity, what kind of party is everyone talking about?
>some of you seem to want a full scale blowout while others are talking
>about smaller gatherings.

I'm up for either, some of the house parties I have been to have been 
better than the big parties I have been to...so I'll go to whatever as 
long as I am free...
dylan
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http://www.internetv.com/rm/ultrasound.ram for live happy hardcore bein
spun by Muppetfucker :)



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>as long as I am free...

I mean free for the weekend NOT without cost...just to clear that up

dylan
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All :)
  If the party goes down in champaign, If anyone needs a place to crash 
or whatever.. I have a townhouse in bloomington, that mass loads of 
people can crash or whatnot... Just offering.. :)
                     Love to all
            (0_0) Dan Sharp


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>> peter manix probably has the best suggestion--a
>> mwraves house party. matter had a very cool all mwraves house party a
>> while back. something of that scope is feasible and a good way to 
really
>> meet people. my votes for the house party/sleep over
>> thing....
>
>i'm fully with matt on this one!!  i had to make a huge effort to get 
out
>to chicago for that party (matter's) (like, ride w/ ppl i didn't even
>know...), but i wasn't gonna miss it for the world, and i'm glad i 
didn't.
>it was shortly after i signed on to mw-raves so it was really cool to 
meet
>some of the ppl whose names i'd been reading.  and i can honestly say 
that
>that party changed my life (in an if i hadn't met this person then i
>wouldn't have met that person and wouldn't have done this or that kinda
>way...).  so, uh, yeah, i have no idea why i just shared that with 
y'all,
>i guess my point is that seeing another house party like that go off 
would
>really make me happy, and if it does happen, i urge everybody to go, 
cause
>those are the best  =)
>and, since i'm getting my car back tomorrow (after 2 years, 
woooooo-haa!!!)
>roadtrip lady will be back in full effect, so you better believe i'll 
be
>there!  with bells on.  and nothing else.  :9  (provided it's no 
further
>than champaign/urbana)
>
>
>> there's nothing like watching mwraves people try to cook
>> breakfast....
>
>or vegan brownies....mmmmmm   =)
>
>ok i hope this happens.....none of that open to the public try to make 
a
>profit bullshit, please?
>**doris**
>


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In a message dated 99-02-03 20:47:13 EST, peter@pubnix.org writes:

<< > Champaign/Urbana IL
 
<< And no one in my house had anything to do with prompting Darian into
<< suggesting this!  Crazy... =)

I *knew* all those late night hours with Dionne Warwick and my psychic
friends would rub off on me someday ;P  

In accordance with what Matt P. was saying, I would have to vote for
a house party as well (noooo pressure Peter and crew ;P) I think it would
be a much better (different) atmosphere.....

Peace :)    ~Darian
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Love like you've never been hurt, 
And throw a houseparty like you don't own the place  (subliminal messages!)
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[where to have the net party...]

> Champaign/Urbana IL

And no one in my house had anything to do with prompting Darian into
suggesting this!  Crazy... =)

While we haven't cleared it with all of my roommates yet, I know at least
four of them are down.  We've had parties @ our house before (I think 300
or 400 kids, but 1-200 comfortably). 

I'll post up to the list tomorrow or so after I convince the rest of my
roommates =)

peas,
-pete
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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 NeXXus8@aol.com wrote:

> In accordance with what Matt P. was saying, I would have to vote for
> a house party as well (noooo pressure Peter and crew ;P) I think it would
> be a much better (different) atmosphere.....


yes, i would vote for a house party.
and i would defnitely vote for Urbana.


eric...all psyched for hardcore at Joe's...






> 
> Peace :)    ~Darian
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Work like you don't need the money, 
> Love like you've never been hurt, 
> And throw a houseparty like you don't own the place  (subliminal messages!)
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> 
> 
> 
> 

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if its in urbana i wouldn't mind making the trek down again... just as long as
the admission is free and nobody is really making a profit... wouldn't mind
doing something like dj'ing at all eiver.  

just let me know what the calender is like

and yes, doris... soon... very soon i will play the radio show.

entro
i finally got a bed, wow... no more sleeping on the floor!
tommorrow is day ten without a cigarette.

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Mr Matt writes:

> just out of curiosity, what kind of party is everyone talking about?
>  some of you seem to want a full scale blowout while others are talking
>  about smaller gatherings. peter manix probably has the best suggestion--a
>  mwraves house party. matter had a very cool all mwraves house party a
>  while back. something of that scope is feasible and a good way to really
>  meet people. my votes for the house party/sleep over
>  thing....there's nothing like watching mwraves people try to cook
>  breakfast....
>  
>  matt
>  

i agree with matt here, small would be the way to go. just so every1 can meet
and great and be cool. then if it werks out we could take it to a full scale
event. and  i would like to see sum of us tryin to cook breakfast! ;)~

Gabe
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"techno has all
of those blips and beeps that make me want to dance on my
toes... house makes everyone do that 'walking in place' thing... jungle is
sorta like moving your hands all over your body w/o actually touching
yourself... and happy hardcore is kinda like everyone is in fast forward."
  - BeCcA*

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edtrout@students.uiuc.edu writes:

> yes, i would vote for a house party.
>  and i would defnitely vote for Urbana.

ok well i think were all pretty much agree on a house party, in urbana i
guess. so who has a house in urbana?    

who wants to be the man(or woman) in charge?

Gabe

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 Hey kiddies........ I need my dancing fix..... I need to see De 
la....and I also need to get a car but in the mean time does anyone in 
the Cincinnati area or is gonna pass through Cincy who is going to 
Tranquility in Dayton have room for one more? I'll help pay for gas and 
will bring all kinds of goodies. If you can help me ....GOD BLESS 
YOU!!!! 
 
  Thanks in advance


  Diana

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 as we dance to a beat that seems out of time
 to the one you feel in the metronome of your mind
 does it offend you that our rhythm looks strange
 or causes your thinking to be rearranged
 could it be that you would understand this beat which we dance
 or clearly had you been given the chance
 so as you struggle to find the feel with your feet
 ask yourself "CAN YOU DANCE TO MY BEAT"


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well chad and mup certainly seem to have a bit of unchecked aggression...

let's focus on the FACTS from someone who goes EVERY YEAR - me.

the winter music conference is in MANY respects very much like someone else
described earlier - a CONVENTION. during the day there are seminars on
everything from how to break into the music business to the benefits of
having a website for your record label... not many people who've attended
these kind of conferences before ( i.e. - the new music seminar in nyc, cmj
in chicago, etc.) attend the panels because they understand that the REAL
action takes place wherever they can schmooze with other people in the
industry that can help them get ahead.

the kewlest thing about the WMC is that the ONLY focus (pretty wide one in
this case) is on the DANCE MUSIC INDUSTRY. everyone who is ANYONE is there,
rubbing elbows with everyone and anyone else in order to reap the benefits
of one-on-one contact with people who are OTHERWISE pretty tough to get in
touch with (i.e. - record producers, label heads, djs, artists, promoters,
a & r peeps, label street promoters, graphic designers, sound & lighting
companies, industry magazine editors, writers, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
).

ALL facets of dance music are usually represented (at LEAST all have the
opportunity to be) - house, speed garage, top 40, high energy, techno,
disco,  hardcore, trance, goa, old school, hip hop, big beat, drum 'n' bass
and YES even happy hardcore... although house music in most respects seems
to remain the DOMINATING focus, last year drum 'n' bass was HUUUUGE!

HIGHLIGHTS FROM LAST YEAR:

	- roni size & reprezent with rabbit in the moon (live)

	- proppelerheads with =FCberzone (live)

	- paul oakenfold @ the mix (a club the OPENS at 4:30am)

	- grooverider, scott henry, fatboy slim & the metalheads @ salvation

	- hanging with my boy sleepy-c and onionz on tha beach and
	  scoping out breasts that ONLY god could have made.

	- going to a strip club with richie hawtin.

	- meeting danny teneglia at the fountainblue poolside

	- doin shots with lenny dee (not a pussy by the way) at groovejet
	  and dancin shitfaced to keoki

	- breakfast at denny's (5:30am) sponsored by stricly rhthym.

	- the ALL jungle party with aphrodite, mickey finn & grooverider
	  (grooverider was EVERYWHERE)

	- finally meeting charles little from wpcm in chicago
	  (i'm a big fan of his graphic design work)

	- nigel richards party at kgb featuring A SLEW of midwest djs.

	- the magic sessions with little louis vega and tony humphries
	  at liquid (madonna's club)

	- the shiz-nit goes ON-AND-on-and-on...


the WMC is NOT for everyone... first of all you GOTZ to have money. and i
DON'T mean fittie cents from the piggy bank.

MIAMI south beach is mutha-fuckin-ex-PEN-sive. i wuz drawin a $100 a day
from the atm just to keep up! but hey!... if ya wanna hang with tha rock
starz, you gotz ta party like one, so  W - H - A - T   T - H - E   F - U -
C - K...

for people like ME who at least PARTIALLY make their LIVING from the dance
music industry (me as a dj of 13 years as well as promoter and graphic
desinger for 8 record labels three magazines and a zillion other promoters
- in case any of youz didn't know who i wuz) it is ESENTIAL for me to
attend the WMC. i make ALL my money for the rest of the year from the
connections i gain there. and for those who just go for the parties - YOU
WILL NOT BE DISSAPPOINTED (unless of course you get down to the land of
paradise only to sit around the beach complaiming that there isn't enough
exposure for the kind of music that YOU like - and eveything else sux :(  -
in which case i think it could EASILY be derived that you are NONE the
smarter, or open-minded...).

i realize that for many fans of the music that is the focus there that
attending the WMC is in some cases a financial impossibility - believe me i
wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth and it was many years of djing
before i could afford to go. but dont misconstrue what goes on there as
lame. it is, by ALL accounts, the COOLEST thing that happens in dance music
ALL YEAR LONG - and that comes as the opinion of the people who MAKE the
trax that you all adore, otherwise, they wouldn't be there - having an
UNBELEIVABLE fucking time.

packin my bags for little havana...and i TRUELY hope some of ya can make it.

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well chad and mup certainly seem to have a bit of unchecked
aggression...


let's focus on the FACTS from someone who goes EVERY YEAR - me.


the winter music conference is in MANY respects very much like someone
else described earlier - a CONVENTION. during the day there are
seminars on everything from how to break into the music business to the
benefits of having a website for your record label... not many people
who've attended these kind of conferences before ( i.e. - the new music
seminar in nyc, cmj in chicago, etc.) attend the panels because they
understand that the REAL action takes place wherever they can schmooze
with other people in the industry that can help them get ahead.


the kewlest thing about the WMC is that the ONLY focus (pretty wide one
in this case) is on the DANCE MUSIC INDUSTRY. everyone who is ANYONE is
there, rubbing elbows with everyone and anyone else in order to reap
the benefits of one-on-one contact with people who are OTHERWISE pretty
tough to get in touch with (i.e. - record producers, label heads, djs,
artists, promoters, a & r peeps, label street promoters, graphic
designers, sound & lighting companies, industry magazine editors,
writers, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ).


ALL facets of dance music are usually represented (at LEAST all have
the opportunity to be) - house, speed garage, top 40, high energy,
techno, disco,  hardcore, trance, goa, old school, hip hop, big beat,
drum 'n' bass and YES even happy hardcore... although house music in
most respects seems to remain the DOMINATING focus, last year drum 'n'
bass was HUUUUGE!


HIGHLIGHTS FROM LAST YEAR:


	- roni size & reprezent with rabbit in the moon (live)


	- proppelerheads with =FCberzone (live)


	- paul oakenfold @ the mix (a club the OPENS at 4:30am)


	- grooverider, scott henry, fatboy slim & the metalheads @ salvation


	- hanging with my boy sleepy-c and onionz on tha beach and

	  scoping out breasts that ONLY god could have made.


	- going to a strip club with richie hawtin.


	- meeting danny teneglia at the fountainblue poolside


	- doin shots with lenny dee (not a pussy by the way) at groovejet

	  and dancin shitfaced to keoki


	- breakfast at denny's (5:30am) sponsored by stricly rhthym.

=09

	- the ALL jungle party with aphrodite, mickey finn & grooverider

	  (grooverider was EVERYWHERE)


	- finally meeting charles little from wpcm in chicago

	  (i'm a big fan of his graphic design work)


	- nigel richards party at kgb featuring A SLEW of midwest djs.


	- the magic sessions with little louis vega and tony humphries

	  at liquid (madonna's club)


	- the shiz-nit goes ON-AND-on-and-on...



the WMC is NOT for everyone... first of all you GOTZ to have money. and
i DON'T mean fittie cents from the piggy bank.=20


MIAMI south beach is mutha-fuckin-ex-PEN-sive. i wuz drawin a $100 a
day from the atm just to keep up! but hey!... if ya wanna hang with tha
rock starz, you gotz ta party like one, so  W - H - A - T   T - H - E =20
=46 - U - C - K...


for people like ME who at least PARTIALLY make their LIVING from the
dance music industry (me as a dj of 13 years as well as promoter and
graphic desinger for 8 record labels three magazines and a zillion
other promoters - in case any of youz didn't know who i wuz) it is
ESENTIAL for me to attend the WMC. i make ALL my money for the rest of
the year from the connections i gain there. and for those who just go
for the parties - YOU WILL NOT BE DISSAPPOINTED (unless of course you
get down to the land of paradise only to sit around the beach
complaiming that there isn't enough exposure for the kind of music that
YOU like - and eveything else sux :(  - in which case i think it could
EASILY be derived that you are NONE the smarter, or open-minded...).


i realize that for many fans of the music that is the focus there that
attending the WMC is in some cases a financial impossibility - believe
me i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth and it was many years
of djing before i could afford to go. but dont misconstrue what goes on
there as lame. it is, by ALL accounts, the COOLEST thing that happens
in dance music ALL YEAR LONG - and that comes as the opinion of the
people who MAKE the trax that you all adore, otherwise, they wouldn't
be there - having an UNBELEIVABLE fucking time.


packin my bags for little havana...and i TRUELY hope some of ya can
make it.


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Okay, I missed Matter's party.. I think it was somehting about being on
the same weekend as my birthday and me having midterms or something like
that... So, I'm going to PROMISE to make it to this one, if at all within
the realm of a possibility....


I really think that Urbana/Champaign is a kickas place.. It's not a super
long drive for most people and for the same reasons others said, it's got
a great scene going on and great peeples...

I also REALLY like the idea of having a house party/sleep over type of
event... It REALLY allows you to get to know your other listmembers
without having to totally yell over a sound system, it keeps cost down for
everyone, because there's not really an admission price, (maybe a donation
for food costs and whatnot, but not a real price)... 

When I think of an mw-raves LIST party, it really is meant for LISTMEMBERS
and maybe a couple of friends, but I REALLY don't want it to be flyered
and open to the general public... By doing that, it causes too much
potential for a huge disaster.... =)

I'm totally up for helping to organize part of it, maybe finding people
 rides and heading up an organization of different
contact people in each area... Like Chicago, Minneapolis, MAdison,
Milwaukee, Cinci-Dayton-Columbus-Lexington-Louisville, Indy etc etc... We
could work together to find rides for different people and stuff... I can
also head up the cooking division... AND... You all can FINALLY eat some
of Becky, the mw-raves "mom"'s midwest famous skettis!!! (and pancakes for
breakfast, just ask jes!) Believe it or not Matt Positive, I CAN COOK! 

I personally, really would prefer the list party to go off after a
majority of schools are out for the semester, it makes it so much easier
on everyone... But an uneventful weekend is usually also okay, if we have
it on a maybe Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday... (find out which days
you can skip classes... ;) or cut out on work early).... Maybe during the
beginning of April, but that might be too early for Pete and those peeps
to plan it well... The third week in May is when a lot of schools are out
for good... 

All just suggestions, but hope that some takes them into some
consideration...


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra


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I can't believe it, but I actually convinced (aka BRIBED) the last of my
roommates to put up with a house full of net-ravers.. so, it looks like
Studio7o9 will be hosting one final house party!  

Now what we need to do is pick a date!  Possibilities:
  weekend of MARCH 13
	-conflicts with WMC (hehehe) and with Connected (boohoo)
  weekend of MARCH 20

Other dates are possible... but I think those are the two most promising..

====General format:  
Since there are no real expenses, the party will, of course, be free. =)
MikeyD and I have this sneaking suspicion that there will be a bunch of
DJs who will want to spin.. so we set the Saturday of the weekend as the
main shindig, and maybe some minor friday activities for all y'all long
distance roadtrippers!  We usually set up our house with the basement as
the main room and the living room as a second room.

====WHAT TO DO NOW?
 1) Step up and VOTE for a date!  
 2) If you have something you'd like to contribute, like wanting to spin,
    perform live, read poetry, show artwork, say so..
    (if you spin/perform, let us know what kind of music you work with)

I'm sorry if I seem like I'm overstepping my bounds here and not being
very concensus-minded, but working as a committee sucks ;)  

yay!  MW net party..... cooOOOoool!

w0nk =)
-pete
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Well, there will be a couple of Midwesterners representing at the WMC
this year. Myself, my little brother from Cleveland, Ohio, and a couple
of other from Kansas City will be going. 

Here's my take on the WMC:

-- If you are a budding producer, or a really good DJ who has yet to
break out nationally, you should go. This is one of the best places/ways
to get your music/name in the hands of ppl who can sign you and/or
ensure that your bookings begin to reflect your talent. If you aren't
good at networking and schmoozing, you should take someoen with you
(manager? friend?) who IS, cause it's all about networking.

-- If you are a promoter who is interested in booking national and
international names, you could benefit from going. You might make a few
handy contacts, and you will come home with some new ideas for
headliners. 

-- If you are just a fan of the music, you would sure enjoy going! I
have to agree with Chad on this one, it is one of the best rave
vacations you could have. In one week you will hear many of the world
class DJs you've always heard about, and many more greats you have been
missing out on. Last year, at my first WMC, after being heavily into the
scene since the early '90's, I had my first exposure to Garage and
Soulful House. It was incredible! And, if I hadn't gone to the WMC, I
might never have heard that music. 

Not to mention hanging out 24-7 with 3 thousand other ppl who take the
same music seriously enough to make their living at it. Talk about fun
conversations in the elevators and meeting neat ppl!! 

As for whether it is too commercial/not underground. You could find the
commercial parties/music there if you wanted it, but DAMN was there some
good music there! Josh Wink's set at the Ovum party, which shall go down
in my memory as one of the all-time favorites was the least commercial
mix of trancey liquid groove I have ever heard. The room was packed.
Everyone dances at these parties. Like Chad said, the vibe is
incredible! I couldn't really look down my nose at music like Garage
which IS fairly commercial in the UK, or DJ's like Roger Sanchez or
Armand Van Helden, when their music was music that would've TORE THE
ROOF OFF any so-called "underground" party. 

Just don't get to attached to your phat pants. They will get you funny
looks and you may not be allowed in some of the parties. :-( Oh well,
deal with it!

So, yes, I'll be going again this year! See ya there, Chad?

-- Robin 
Kansas City



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On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:44:29 PST "dylan dorrell" <ddorrell@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
>>just out of curiosity, what kind of party is everyone talking about?
>>some of you seem to want a full scale blowout while others are 
>talking about smaller gatherings.
>
>I'm up for either, some of the house parties I have been to have been 
>better than the big parties I have been to...so I'll go to whatever as 
>

I am all for the house party except for one thing...I'd really want to
go, but chances are I'd be booked for a light show that night.  If it
were a larger scale party, I'd probably be doing the lights there so I
_have_ to go.  But then again, I could always do the sound for the party,
my sound system would totally rock a house !  So maybe we should start
getting things in order...

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Pete Mannix wrote:

> Now what we need to do is pick a date!  Possibilities:
>   weekend of MARCH 13
>   weekend of MARCH 20
> Other dates are possible... but I think those are the two most promising..

i'd vote for sometime in April (end of april?)...mostly because lots of
people have spring break in march (i'll be in london) and are either back
home (not in the mw), on vacation or whatever. either way though, a date
should be decided upon probably by some sort of vote...

> ====WHAT TO DO NOW?
>  1) Step up and VOTE for a date!  

i'd vote for sometime in April (end of april?)...mostly because lots of
people have spring break in march (i'll be in london) and are either back
home (not in the mw), on vacation or whatever. either way though, a date
should be decided upon probably by some sort of vote...

> 2) the DJs

figuring out time schedules for djs is going to be a big pain for
somebody...good luck :)

all in all, i hope this net meet/party really works. matter's was so much
fun last year....

matt


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yah the end of april would be gewd..cause i know i will be out of town for
spring break..plus gives sum of us a lil bit of recovery after spring break
;)


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i am definitely for champaign urbana....sounds good to me cuz its not that far
from here*.....

hey all you Indiana University kids...we can all ride up there together toO*
=) <roadtrippin it* wooohaaa>

peeeeeSh
lauryN*

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>>Just don't get to attached to your phat pants. They will get you funny
looks and you may not be allowed in some of the parties. :-( Oh well,
deal with it!<<

kind of like when i went to spin an afterhours and was almost not let in
because of my 'phat' pants... 

"fucking skaters."

one nation.  one groove.  whoo hooo.

thats the kind of shit... that i know happens that irks me.

dems the cats i want ta party with.

travel safe robin and chad and edyone else (i mean it seriously cats... no
sarcasm intended) ... and have fun...

us ghetto chillun gonna stay at home.

entro
in holland dey call em bruk!

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> 
> i'd vote for sometime in April (end of april?)....

as long as it's not on April 10th.... I (and prolly a lot of u) will be in
Chicago....
also the last weekend in april could be bad b/c of the number of kids that
are going to be studying for finals that next week.... just a thought...

LoVe AnD oTheR SpArKleY tHoUgHtS,
BeCCa*



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i think it should be in Crystal Lake, IL

VEGAS TITTY BAR, BABY!  and the BLISS MOTEL!

jdica

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Ok, who is feeding the crack to this list? 

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XtCdAwLL@aol.com wrote:
> 
> The SERAVES Mailing list just threw one about 3 weeks ago, and it was fun, but
> the one thing that went wrong was <snip>

Yeah, so that brings up a question. Why re-invent the wheel? Before we
go jumping in and planning a party already, why doesn't someoen
email/talk to the promoters from other lists who threw list parties? 

What method was used to decide who played and when?
What was the rationale behind the cost/locations decided upon, and did
it work?
What were the problems, the good things?

You get the idea. 

-- Robin 




everyone decided that they wanted the party
> to be private, so everyone was supposed to RSVP because it was decided that if
> you didn't RSVP you didn't get in, each person from the list was allowed three
> guests and the cost to get into the party was $5, for EVERYONE, even some of
> the DJ's (who were playing for free already) had to pay to get in. So about
> 500 people RSVPed, but only like 150 showed up, so the people who put up the
> money for the venue, lighting, etc. were left w/ quite a large debt. So if we
> were to throw one, i say why not make some money off it and open it to the
> public, that way the DJs can at least get paid for gas money and no one has to
> deal w/ debts, i'm sure there are a couple of flier designers on this list
> that would be willing to donate their talent in designing a simple inexpensive
> flier. The people on the list would not have to pay as much as the general
> public and maybe we could even make badges or lamenents to tell who is on the
> list and who's not. Ok, imma quit rambling now =P
> just my .02
> Laine
> 
> In a message dated 2/3/99 3:48:36 PM CST, GNM3744@aol.com writes:
> 
> << many of you are on the PB-CLE list as well as this 1. so you know about UH-
> OH,
>  the party they organized. well y dont WE, being the MW list, do the same?
> 
>  i know theres plenty of DJ, Producers, Promotors,Lighting and Sound people on
>  this list. WE can do it. A lot of us know eachother and every1 knows
> eachother
>  thru sum1 else.
> 
>  WE could all pick sum1 to be the head person, donate
>  money,time,skills,equipment and whut not. i dont know why WE havnt done this
>  yet, it is a great way to revitalize our scene and bring together people who
>  have never worked together b4.  there is no shortage of talent on this list.
>  from well known Dj'z and producers to not so poplar or well known Dj'z. its a
>  geat way to showcase our talent and show every1 the Mid West iz just farms
> and
>  cowz and tractors   :p
> 
>  this is off the top of  my head and just a suggestion so u can see im not to
>  organized with it. Just posting it to see how many people would be interested
>  in helping and making it poossible. Im all for it and will donate my time and
>  ne thing else needed.
> 
>  enough with the flame wars and all the bullshit lets werk together and see
>  whut we can accomplish!
> 
>  GabE >>

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In a message dated 2/3/99 8:19:16 PM Central Standard Time,
mplaffey@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

<<  my votes for the house party/sleep over
 thing....there's nothing like watching mwraves people try to cook
 breakfast.... >>

How fun would that be?  seriously?  That would be sooooo cool!

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Matt Positive wrote:
 matter had a very cool all mwraves house party a
> while back. something of that scope is feasible and a good way to really
> meet people. my votes for the house party/sleep over
> thing....there's nothing like watching mwraves people try to cook
> breakfast....

Heheheh, yeah, that could be cool!

I would prolly make the trek to Champaign if that was the location
picked. Runners up woould be St. Louis or Indy. 

If you pick any weekend in March though, I can't make it. :-(

-- Robin

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> just out of curiosity, what kind of party is everyone talking about?
>  some of you seem to want a full scale blowout while others are talking
>  about smaller gatherings. peter manix probably has the best suggestion--a
>  mwraves house party. matter had a very cool all mwraves house party a
>  while back. something of that scope is feasible and a good way to really
>  meet people. my votes for the house party/sleep over
>  thing....there's nothing like watching mwraves people try to cook
>  breakfast....

THIS is the kind of party i'm talking about.  like randy's, and matter's.  a
weekend sleepover thing, where everyone can get to know each other IRL.  fuck
a rave, i've been to a million of those and they usually suck.  why don't we
quit hiding behind our little screens and get a little real life experience,
YO?

werd

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HOW BOUT APRIL 17TH???  that can be the actual party start date and every1 can
jus show up when ever?

Gabe

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In a message dated 2/3/99 11:13:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, jens@idir.net
writes:

> Ok, who is feeding the crack to this list? 


damn block watchers cath me every time.

Back to the crack cave Robin!

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GNM3744@aol.com wrote:
 > HOW BOUT APRIL 17TH???  that can be the actual party start date and every1 can
 > jus show up when ever?
 > 
 > Gabe
 > 

seems good 'cause it is not the 10th and it is not near finals.
that's what I think.

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I hate to sound like a whiner, but . . . If we do decide to go with a
house party, PLEASE make sure we can have some windows open or some
ventilation -- or make it NO smoking. My lungs and allergies have just
about had enough of the huge amounts of second hand smoke that can
accumulate in a house that is packed with 200+ ppl!!

<cough>

-- Robin 
Raver wimpette

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:48:05 -0500 (EST) Pete Mannix <peter@pubnix.org>
writes:

>  weekend of MARCH 20
>

I vote for the above...I don't have any bookings yet and it doesn't
conflict with WMC just in case I decide to go.

I also volunteer my sound system and some minimal lighting as long as I
can get reimbursed for gas money somehow (donations ?)

I also volunteer my DJ services.  Currently I play dark Drum & Bass, ala
Hardware, Virus, No U-Turn, Prototype, Under Fire, Ram, etc.  I feel I'm
getting better since I set up a DJ booth in my basement & started
aggressively buying records again.  I'm no superstar, but I can
beatmatch...oh wait, beatmatching isn't cool anymore, nevermind ;)  Also
I am picking up a small collection of classic Trance records this weekend
to expand my selection.  By March, I should be able to play complete sets
of  Trance or Drum & Bass.  So, if anyone's interested...

Pete...?  Let me know.

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At 08:20 PM 2/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
>GNM3744@aol.com wrote:
> > HOW BOUT APRIL 17TH???  that can be the actual party start date and
every1 can
> > jus show up when ever?
> > 
> > Gabe
> > 
>
>seems good 'cause it is not the 10th and it is not near finals.
>that's what I think.
>
>K
>
yah sounds all gewd for the 17th..muh vibes will still be goin from the
10th too!! :)

JaMeS


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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 spinit@wildmail.com wrote:

> GNM3744@aol.com wrote:
>  > HOW BOUT APRIL 17TH???  that can be the actual party start date and every1 can
>  > jus show up when ever?
> seems good 'cause it is not the 10th and it is not near finals.
> that's what I think.

April 17th sounds perfect....

matt


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In a message dated 99-02-03 22:47:13 EST, wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
writes:

<< could work together to find rides for different people and stuff... I can
 also head up the cooking division... AND... You all can FINALLY eat some
 of Becky, the mw-raves "mom"'s midwest famous skettis!!! (and pancakes for
 breakfast, just ask jes!) Believe it or not Matt Positive, I CAN COOK >>

I can join Becky in the cooking brigade!  I just got a breadmaker and 
I crank out the sourdough and vegetable bread in no time ;)  My bfriend
is also quite talented at cooking for the masses (army brat) and would
love to lend a hand....

Hmmm, something goods a stirring on this list!
~Darian




 


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Okay, I missed Matter's party.. I think it was somehting about being on
the same weekend as my birthday and me having midterms or something like
that... So, I'm going to PROMISE to make it to this one, if at all within
the realm of a possibility....


I really think that Urbana/Champaign is a kickas place.. It's not a super
long drive for most people and for the same reasons others said, it's got
a great scene going on and great peeples...

I also REALLY like the idea of having a house party/sleep over type of
event... It REALLY allows you to get to know your other listmembers
without having to totally yell over a sound system, it keeps cost down for
everyone, because there's not really an admission price, (maybe a donation
for food costs and whatnot, but not a real price)... 

When I think of an mw-raves LIST party, it really is meant for LISTMEMBERS
and maybe a couple of friends, but I REALLY don't want it to be flyered
and open to the general public... By doing that, it causes too much
potential for a huge disaster.... =)

I'm totally up for helping to organize part of it, maybe finding people
 rides and heading up an organization of different
contact people in each area... Like Chicago, Minneapolis, MAdison,
Milwaukee, Cinci-Dayton-Columbus-Lexington-Louisville, Indy etc etc... We
could work together to find rides for different people and stuff... I can
also head up the cooking division... AND... You all can FINALLY eat some
of Becky, the mw-raves "mom"'s midwest famous skettis!!! (and pancakes for
breakfast, just ask jes!) Believe it or not Matt Positive, I CAN COOK! 

I personally, really would prefer the list party to go off after a
majority of schools are out for the semester, it makes it so much easier
on everyone... But an uneventful weekend is usually also okay, if we have
it on a maybe Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday... (find out which days
you can skip classes... ;) or cut out on work early).... Maybe during the
beginning of April, but that might be too early for Pete and those peeps
to plan it well... The third week in May is when a lot of schools are out
for good... 

All just suggestions, but hope that some takes them into some
consideration...


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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In a message dated 2/3/99 10:24:18 PM Central Standard Time,
theworm@evansville.net writes:

<< yah sounds all gewd for the 17th..muh vibes will still be goin from the
 10th too!! :)
  >>

This seriously sounds like a great time.  I would really like to get in on
this.  However, if I went on the 17th, I don't think I could go to Chicago on
the 10th, (which due to monetary situations doesnt look good right now either)
unless I could hitch a ride from someone travelin' down thru MN...  ;)
Jen

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Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >>Just don't get to attached to your phat pants. They will get you funny
> looks and you may not be allowed in some of the parties. :-( Oh well,

> kind of like when i went to spin an afterhours and was almost not let in
> because of my 'phat' pants...
> thats the kind of shit... that i know happens that irks me.
> 

Oh it irked me, too! I wanted to wear those pants just to thumb my nose
at 'em. But then again, I want to see Lil Louie and Tony Humphries this
year, too, hehehe. 

> travel safe robin and chad and edyone else (i mean it seriously cats... no
> sarcasm intended) ... and have fun...
> 
> us ghetto chillun gonna stay at home.

Thanks! Wouldn't say that trip to Holland was anything to shake a stick
at. Had me green with envy!

-- Robin

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I have absolutely no problems w/ this date... but, does anyone else have
any objections??? maybe we need to figure out who would be spinning and
doing the light/sound and see if this date conflicts w/ too many
djs/performers... we need to make sure we'll have some beats...as much as
i like you kids, i dont want to drive 5 hours to meet some people for
breakfast...

So who wants to spin? volunteer equipment? 

and who has objections?

LoVe AnD oTheR SpArKleY tHoUgHtS,
BeCCa*


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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Matt Positive wrote:

> 
> April 17th sounds perfect....
> 
> matt
> 


Dont know if I can afford to squander an entire weekend so precariously
close to finals but....

fuck it.  Ill be there whenever it is (I prefer a summer date personally).

"If we do not live for this, then why do we exist?"

asdkl,
adam


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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Rebecca Anne Bilyk wrote:

> So who wants to spin? volunteer equipment? 
i'd be more than happy to spin some happy hardcore...and there's plenty of
very talented djs on this list that im sure will come and want to throw
down a bit...

matt


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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:20:50 -0800 spinit@wildmail.com writes:
>GNM3744@aol.com wrote:
> > HOW BOUT APRIL 17TH???  that can be the actual party start date and 
>every1 can
> > jus show up when ever?
> > 
> > Gabe
> > 
>
>seems good 'cause it is not the 10th and it is not near finals.
>that's what I think.
>
>K
>
>

No weekends in April will work for me.  I have bookings every week.

Not that it's essential that I'm involved, but I'd really like to be.

Umm, actually, upon looking at the calendar, April 17 is the one weekend
I'm not booked yet.
However, I'd still prefer it in March or May.  Just my .02


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april 17th sounds good to me too...nothing goin on that weekend....(no
scheduled parties that i am aware of on that date so far)

i dont have finals until may 6th....=D 

wooohaaaa

well back to puttin mah nose to the scholarly grindstone.....
2 papers down...2 to go....

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i dunno someone sent me a link forever ago n i just took it... if i hear
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as adam leon meadows said before...

that is the weekend of his party, with almost all mw-raves headliners.

possible conflict of interest?  plus it being fairly close to finals for a lot
of people.

what about june?  that's clear from school for everyone, clear of furthur,
clear of detonate, etc.

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>====General format:  
>Since there are no real expenses, the party will, of course, be free. =)
>MikeyD and I have this sneaking suspicion that there will be a bunch of
>DJs who will want to spin.. so we set the Saturday of the weekend as the
>main shindig, and maybe some minor friday activities for all y'all long
>distance roadtrippers!  We usually set up our house with the basement as
>the main room and the living room as a second room.

I think that would be great!!!!!! =)

we'll be there all the way from Windsor/Canada! =) as long as it's in Windsor or 
Detroit...hehe just kidding...I'm up for any day any month some how I find a way to 
fit everything in =)

hope to see all you kids there, I know it's going to be great! =)

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I like to waste bandwidth........

I don't care!!!!!

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Isn't he taggin' wit Terry Mullen at "Mixed Up"??????

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WAAAAAYYYYY Agree!!!!!!

 peter manix probably has the best 
>suggestion--a
>mwraves house party. matter had a very cool all mwraves house party a
>while back. something of that scope is feasible and a good way to 
>really
>meet people. my votes for the house party/sleep over
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[Pete Mannix <peter@pubnix.org>]
> 
> 
> ====WHAT TO DO NOW?
>  1) Step up and VOTE for a date!  

NOT MARCH 13!!!!! ANYTIME BUT THEN!!!! PLEEEEEEZ!?!?!???!???


>  2) If you have something you'd like to contribute, like wanting to spin,
>     perform live, read poetry, show artwork, say so..
>     (if you spin/perform, let us know what kind of music you work with)

of course i'll play if the chance arises... you know what i play, pete...
but if i don't play, of course, that's all good, too... i'm sure better
than me will be offering their services... :)

also, we all vote that there should be a very small (if any) 
random student population.... you should have a mw-raves list,
and like check at the door:
dude 1: KNOCK KNOCK!
dude 2: name and email address?
dude 1: uhhh...
dude 2: who are you with?
dude 1: uhhh... wtf?
dude 2: SEE YA!
SLAM!

haha!

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[Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>]
> also head up the cooking division... AND... You all can FINALLY eat some
> of Becky, the mw-raves "mom"'s midwest famous skettis!!! (and pancakes for
> breakfast, just ask jes!) Believe it or not Matt Positive, I CAN COOK! 
> 

hey! i can cook too! we should have a mw-raves muthafuckin POTLUCK!

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April seems cool & it's nowhere near finals!
if someone needed help in the kitchen, i'd be willing to help
out with that part too!
woohoo :)

mike


At 10:44 AM 2/3/99 -0600, you wrote:
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>On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:20:50 -0800 spinit@wildmail.com writes:
>>GNM3744@aol.com wrote:
>> > HOW BOUT APRIL 17TH???  that can be the actual party start date and 
>>every1 can
>> > jus show up when ever?
>> > 
>> > Gabe
>> > 
>>
>>seems good 'cause it is not the 10th and it is not near finals.
>>that's what I think.
>>
>>K
>>
>>
>



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Does anyone know how far nashville is from urbana???
~*HuGz*~  Laine

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Is there a Dj down there named Christ Specht?

If so,  can you give me some information about this person?

Thanks,





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In a message dated 2/3/99 10:25:26 PM CST, NeXXus8@aol.com writes:

<< << could work together to find rides for different people and stuff... I
can
  also head up the cooking division... AND... You all can FINALLY eat some
  of Becky, the mw-raves "mom"'s midwest famous skettis!!! (and pancakes for
  breakfast, just ask jes!) Believe it or not Matt Positive, I CAN COOK >>
 
 I can join Becky in the cooking brigade!  I just got a breadmaker and 
 I crank out the sourdough and vegetable bread in no time ;)  My bfriend
 is also quite talented at cooking for the masses (army brat) and would
 love to lend a hand....
 
 Hmmm, something goods a stirring on this list!
 ~Darian
 
 
  >>
If ya need someone who can cook, i can fix the best damn omletes you've ever
had, and a pretty mean eggs benedict too 
~*HuGz*~   Laine

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This sounds good to be.  I could be a total raver whore and go to the party
in Indy on the 3rd with Sy and then up to ChiTown on the 10th for Brisk,
Nitro and the Happy League and the  MW-Ravers List Party on the 17th.....of
course I guess I might fall into a coma.

Hey...who is volunteering the EMS and ventilator equipment?

I'll bring the Code Cart.

=)

I have not seen this list soooo together in SUCH a very VERY long
time.....seriously, look back at past posts it was starting to get to be
full of petty bullshit and clutter.  And I am so amazed and proud that
almost everyone is agreeing on the date and the location....and EVEN the
people that disagree are doing so in a very respectable manner and not this
"Bullshit!! that dates suck my left nut...."  =D

Go MW-Raves I KNEW you had it in you!

Toby


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This would be my only true concern as well.  I say...non-smokers unite!

raver wimpette #2--

Sarah




---Robin Urmanic <bpositive@sprintmail.com> wrote:
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> I hate to sound like a whiner, but . . . If we do decide to go with a
> house party, PLEASE make sure we can have some windows open or some
> ventilation -- or make it NO smoking. My lungs and allergies have just
> about had enough of the huge amounts of second hand smoke that can
> accumulate in a house that is packed with 200+ ppl!!
> 
> <cough>
> 
> -- Robin 
> Raver wimpette
> 
 

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 04 07:16:54 1999
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okey... I actually had highly (*HIGHLY*) considered april 17 for the 
net-party, but I thought kidz would want it sooner.  I was wrong ;)
I have recieved numerous personal emails in addition to posts on the
list suggesting either "NOT in march!" or specifically "Please, april 17".
So, what objections are there to 4/17?

And I agree that it would be nice to be able to reimberse people who 
volunteer their skills and services, so maybe something like a $3 
requested donation at the door or something..

For lights, I know Joe *ROCKS* at doing lights (that's why we always bring
him down for any events we throw in town), and his sound is BEYOND kickin
for our house.  There are also a few kids in town who own smaller
soundsystems which have served more than adequately at this house in the
past. 

As for DJ selection, the two NE-raves parties I remember basically had a
tape listening party.. basically (pretty much) anyone who wanted to spin
sent in a tape, and the net-kids at that lil gathering figured out what
DJs would really complement each other to create a well-rounded event.  I
wasn't involved in this aspect of previous net-parties, so I'm not exactly
sure how it works, but (IMHO) as long as it involves a bunch of net kids
(preferably some promoters) I'll trust that group to decide what should be
done.  Anyone want to plan a tape-listening-party?  Or any other means to
decide?  (leaving it up for discussion on the list can get REALLY ugly) 

Who is invited?  EVERYONE on MW-raves (and, well... I'm want to invite the
UC-raves crew and their guests.  It will NOT be open to general public /
raver population (IE: no physical flyers), though I can't see kids
checking net-ids at the door... 

And if peeps don't want it in UC, thats fine too.  I'm just offering up
me casa for y'all (I'll be at this net party no matter where it is..)

peas 'n carrots,
-pete
-- 
[ FiZ / peter@pubnix.org / http://www.pubnix.org/~peter/fiz.html ]


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What is the URL to hybrid records....???

thanx...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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okay, i am gonna comment on this... even tho i doubt it will happen, and i
sure as hell wouldn't go.... as far as the center of the midwest, it is
chicago... plain and simple... look at any map of the midwest... notice the
highways form a spiderweb? all orginating or passing thru Chicago... all the
extremities of the midwest are equal distance to chicago... 

get an atlas, they fun to read when you get fired from your job and just want
to get away

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If u ppl want good sound, bring it to kansas city. I'll hook u up w/ a
nice cerwin vega system. w/ 1000 watt 'intense' subs. I'll spin too ;-)

- Jens 

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>>>No weekends in April will work for me.  I have bookings every week.

>>>Not that it's essential that I'm involved, but I'd really like to be.



not that i have bookings or anything.... but april just isn't working for me.
Mid May would be Prrrrrrrrfect!  =)
schools out- allong with a nice warm sun.

but - like he said, it's not mandatory or anything that i'm there..    




=)
just another bubble-blowing partykid,     
~n










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In a message dated 99-02-03 23:57:20 EST, SiteRep078@aol.com writes:

<< what about june?  that's clear from school for everyone, clear of furthur,
 clear of detonate, etc. >>

Yeah!! Do it in June cause then i can go=)

Lisa*

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i would definitely like to be involved in one way or another with this...
and i'm glad someone finally had the balls to post the idea to the list.

i was thinking about throwing a small net party awhile ago, but just
didn't have the balls to follow through.  kudos.

at any rate, because of the sudden increase in traffic from this party,
should i see if we can temporarily set up a separate list for the people
organizing the party?  

it looks like pete has things well in hand as far as organizing this goes
and i haven't been to Champaign/Urbana yet...looks like this will be my
virgin experience :)

so, like i said, i'm here and willing to help organize things in any way i
can.  i'd also love to spin, of course...just let me know if i need to
give anyone a tape, and if so, who and where to send it... i'll have to
make one though.  and i'd probably be paying someone else for gas money to
get there, so no need to worry about that :).

i'm really looking forward to this.

love,
Chad

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give me some food.


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In a message dated 2/4/99 2:14:47 AM CST, Bogerty@aol.com writes:

<< what about june >>

how about early june? i can spin then for it if you want me to, right before i
go back to california :)

cloudskipper

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In a message dated 99-02-04 03:21:18 EST, RokkDaBeat@aol.com writes:

<< how about early june? i can spin then for it if you want me to, right
before i
 go back to california :)
 
 cloudskipper >>

YES! Early June, then I can either diva or spin with Chris........right
Chris?;) Also, that is when I will be moving to the midwest, and it would be
nice to get to know some of you=)

Lisa*

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In a message dated 2/4/99 2:35:03 AM CST, Bogerty writes:

<< YES! Early June, then I can either diva or spin with Chris........right
Chris?;) Also, that is when I will be moving to the midwest, and it would be
nice to get to know some of you=) >>

yeah! i would like this very much. :) gonna be cool when we do it in may, and
right before i go back to california. :P 

chris

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In a message dated 99-02-04 03:37:46 EST, RokkDaBeat writes:

<< yeah! i would like this very much. :) gonna be cool when we do it in may,
and right before i go back to california. :P 
  >>

Yaaaaaaaay!! If any of you will be in the southwest May 1st (highly doubtful,
but oh well!) check out my party......"I like it Rough". An all hardcore and
jungle event. Chris (Cloudskipper) will be spinning and I'm gonna diva live!
And hes gonna do a duet with me on a couple songs=) Also, Jon (Dica) will be
playing, buuuuuut its not like any of you want to see him huh?!?!? ;)

Lisa*

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I'm not actually going to read people yell at each other about how good or
bad the WMC is but I will let everyone know who might be interested and who
doesn't know too much about it that if you are a fan of good house music or
jungle, I would highly recommend taking a trip down there for a few days,
it's always a great laugh. I've been going since '92 and it still slams. An
American House Music Paradise for 5 days.

BTW anybody in Toronto who loves house music and may not be aware, three
huge gigs this month at Industry--John Acquaviva/Derrick Carter this
saturday (6th), Mr.C and Ian Pooley on the 13th and David Morales on the
27th. Morales was the best nite of last year at that club for me so it
should be huge again. I am not affiliated with the club in any way, just a fan.

Respect,
Karl


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No one, i dont think any of us can cook
- joe

> Ok, who is feeding the crack to this list? 

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, James Martin wrote:

> http://www.internetv.com/rm/ultrasound.ram for live happy hardcore bein
> spun by Muppetfucker :)

Heheh...thanks for the ad. Sorry if the sound was coming out a little wonky
last night (That is, if anyone tuned in). One of the cartridges was
going out so all the sound was muted on one table. If anyone did tune in
we'd love to hear some feedback at: ultrasound@hardcorps.org.

	dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, jp wrote:

> Is there a Dj down there named Christ Specht?
> If so,  can you give me some information about this person?

Why yes, there is. He lives in Austin but plays out all over the state
rocking many parties with his funky and soulful house stylings. Nice guy,
terrific DJ, and member of one of the *best* promotion crews in the state.
You can hear one of his sets archived up in Real Audio at:

http://www.hardcorps.org/ultrasound (under "past")
or at the Ultrasound archives at:

http://www.internetv.com


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Here are a few things i've been tossing around lately.



The party scene is pretty stale these days. Most parties I've been to 
latley have used the same formula, the same set up, and have the same 
sort of flyer, promotion, etc. some successfull, some not.



Why?



Is it because most promoters are not aware how much environment affects 
the mood or "vibe" of the party? 



Any of you old skoolers remeber Spastik? Do you honestly think that 
Richie's live PA would have the same effect in a banquet hall with 
merely adequate sound and a few expensive, ineffective lights set up on 
a row of trussing by the booth?



Ingenuity does not have to mean expensive. Great things can be done with 
plastic cable ties, a 10 dollar strobe light, mannikin parts, and sheets 
bought at a thrift store. 



Gestalt means the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. most 
parties I've attended have not been EVENTS, but merely a space, sound, 
lights, and djs. 



Let's get creative and do something a little different.



Let's create environments that enhance the music, not detract from it.  



That's my rant for the day. :)



Leigh

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the 17th is BAD because I can't ask for two weekends in a row off of work
and I have to ask off for the 10th...so that means neither tad nor I would
be able to go.

fergus


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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 SiteRep078@aol.com wrote:

> as adam leon meadows said before...
> 
> that is the weekend of his party, with almost all mw-raves headliners.
> 
> possible conflict of interest?  plus it being fairly close to finals for a lot
> of people.
> 
> what about june?  that's clear from school for everyone, clear of furthur,
> clear of detonate, etc.


Yes i vote for early June.  I mean I know everyone wants to have it as
soon as possible but I am sure everyone schedules are going to be over
loaded in April.  Plus, as also mentioned, I want the party we are doing
here in Lafayette to go well which would include many of you mw-ravers
coming out to party/ create/ destroy things.  This event would be sort of
stepping on my toes.  Since we would be trying to do similair things
essentially...

Or what about the last weekend in March?  Everyone's spring break should
be over...

Just dont do it on April 17th!  it will complicate things too much for me.
And I am the only person I really understand.

June,
Adam 


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>> So who wants to spin? 

I'll cover the hardcore...see how many peeps I can drive screaming into
other rooms :p  Is that a train I hear?

heheheheh fergus :)



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Attention Missouri, Kansas and Nebraska Jungalists:

Ugly Bill left Kansas City today regarding a personal family emergency.
He will not be returning, and there is no more information available.

Something as sudden as this can never be pleasant - since Bill was
actually one of the few people I knew who liked living here, it's even
harder to see him have to leave.

We will all miss him dearly.

:~(

_jason

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NEOne know of any partiEz in Nashvegas this weekend?  I'll be in town Fri-Sun,
so any night...also, what clubs are worthy (if any)?  The only club I have
visited in Nash is The Connection...any info is appreciated!

Thanx in advance...

HuGZ and stuff  =)

-V-

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At 01:16 AM 2/4/99 EST, XtCdAwLL@aol.com wrote:

>If ya need someone who can cook, i can fix the best damn omletes you've ever
>had, and a pretty mean eggs benedict too 

if ya need someone to sit on their ass, fart, belch or be just plain ol'
disgusting...i can can do that!  

Gip

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Matt Positive wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Rebecca Anne Bilyk wrote:
> 
> > So who wants to spin? volunteer equipment? 

I am voulnteering my services....maybe DJ storm and I can spin a tag team
goa/psy trance set in the morning....keep the vibe alive.....

keep me informed!
--boo

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doug mcclintock
aka dj boo 
Psychedlic Trance Liberation Front
dwmcclin@indiana.edu
djboo@purerave.com
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There's a party on Saturday with John Kelley(Funky Desert Breaks) 
He's definately worth checking out!
Sorry I don't have the info line with me but it's called "Bobby's
Universe".  Have Fun!




---Aphexx21@aol.com wrote:
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> NEOne know of any partiEz in Nashvegas this weekend?  I'll be in
town Fri-Sun,
> so any night...also, what clubs are worthy (if any)?  The only club
I have
> visited in Nash is The Connection...any info is appreciated!
> 
> Thanx in advance...
> 
> HuGZ and stuff  =)
> 
> -V-
> 

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greetings net.dorks

i would like to "vote" for march 20 as the day to have the shindiggity....
it works as a good day why?

march 13: open..but many people are going to be gone/on vacatiohn
april 16/17: adam meadows is throwing an event in IN.....  this would
reduce people attending both events....   

march 20 is prime party time

hopefully we can work it to have real audio streaming (maybe real video)
outta our crib for this party since the connection is pretty nice here...

this means actual cleaning on our parts  *!*ACK!*!*!    ;P

anyways those jsut my thoughts.....i have loved the previous net.parties
got to meet a lot of interesting people and actually speak with
them....not just run into them at a party...   

-mikeD
c/u massive

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>i would like to "vote" for march 20 as the day to have the shindiggity....
>it works as a good day why?


It doesn't work as a good day because that's the day of mine, Becky's and
Brent's triple birthday party  :p  Hey wait...would everyone be willing to
go to Cincinnati?  We could have a massive birthday party  :p  *mind
reeling*  *conspires with brent and becky*

Hmmmmm...

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shit...don't check yer mail for 18 hrs and look what u miss!!!

Since EVERYone else's opinion's on here, here it goes...

while April 17th is manageable, i REALLY, REALLY, REALLY think it should
be AFTER 
finals!!!!!!

So I'm voting for May or June :P

oh, and my location vote goes to CHICAGO!

bekka.

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K all,

This is just a reminder for all u freaks that are gonna be at Hulla 9 on
Saturday.
The meet at the party is gonna be at 12, that's midnight everybuddy and
it'll be at/around the cafeteria/snack shack thing.

Now don't u kidz get all fucked up and forget bout it or put yerselves
into a state of paralaysis so that u miss it :)

see y'all Saturday,

*drive safe everyone*

bekka :)

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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Fergus wrote:

or... we caravan it to Urbana Champaign and have our birthday party
there... Then we'd get more presents, since in addition to the $3 donation
at the door, they have to bring us a birthday present to get in.... *wink*
I'd really like to get a second 1200 and a mixer for my birthday... *hint
hint*

whatever happens, as long as it's not during finals week, i'll be there...
but i'd prefer march to april, because april 17th is getting kinda close
to finals for me... and may/beginning of june is no good, cause we'll be
in florida, laying on the beach on vacation... ;)


> >i would like to "vote" for march 20 as the day to have the shindiggity....
> >it works as a good day why?
> 
> 
> It doesn't work as a good day because that's the day of mine, Becky's and
> Brent's triple birthday party  :p  Hey wait...would everyone be willing to
> go to Cincinnati?  We could have a massive birthday party  :p  *mind
> reeling*  *conspires with brent and becky*


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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anybody have any info on the party in indy this weekend ????

iySyS
ensYd magazine
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sister djs

http://baroness.bluegrass.net
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SUCK MY FUNK - Feb 6th - Indianoplis , Indiana
 
Feat:
DJ RECTANGLE (Battle wax, Los Angeles)
Sluggo (Dancemania, Pushpac - Chicago)
DJ Skip (Dancemania, Pushpac, Ural 13 - Chicago)
Ben Man (Better Days - Louisville)
Slater Hogan (Muzique Boutique, Rising Sun Records, Univibe - Indy)
Chocolate (House of Babylon - Indy)
New Orleans House Project feat. Kynt (rising Sun Records - N.O.) 
      (aka Cyberjive)
Matt Porter (Univibe - Indy)
Nostalgic (Boogie Squad, Floorgasm - Dayton)

$15 before midnite, $20 after

Info: Muzique Boutique - 317.592.9536
HoB - 317.592.9236
Stellar Awareness - 317.328.6205
CBS - 513.665.6572
Evolution - 502.569.1969
Sin - 317.871.2289

i'll be there...will you?

bom shankar!
--boo

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, B.O.R. Productions wrote:

> anybody have any info on the party in indy this weekend ????
> 
> iySyS
> ensYd magazine
> B.O.R. Productions
> sister djs
> 
> http://baroness.bluegrass.net
> http://ensyd.bluegrass.net
> http://www.djdazy.com/list.html
> 
> "Real heads don't use acronyms to encasulate a feeling, a love, and a
> passion for their music and culture."  -- Kidentropy
> 
> 


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doug mcclintock
aka dj boo 
Psychedlic Trance Liberation Front
dwmcclin@indiana.edu
djboo@purerave.com
http://www.purerave.com/~djboo/
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hey kids  =)

it's thursday, and i need to be annoying one more time before the weekend.
since we're leaving for toronto tomorrow, i need to make sure everything's
in order.  so, lemme know if i got this straight:  meets at 8 at the
golden griddle by the space and midnight at the foodcourt in the space.
yes?  

one question:  how do we get to the golden griddle?  not direction-wise,
i got that part down, but i think we'll be taking a shuttle to the party
(or are we?  jeff?), and since the golden griddle is right by the venue,
it would be dumb to take my car there, netmeet, take the car back to the
hotel, and take the shuttle to the party.  do shuttles go that early?  is
this even making sense?  what do i know....

champaign/urbana kru, are we still on for saturday afternoon?  i haven't
discussed this with my own kru yet, but i'll just throw it out there
anyway:  how does 2 pm on the corner of queen and yonge sound?  (cause you
*know* that's where you're gonna be anyway  =P)  any concerns should
probably be voiced to me privately, i'm just asking publically cause it
goes out to a bunch of people...

k-zoo kru, what's the deal???

i know it's a tad late for this, but i don't think any of us have looked
into overnight arrangements yet......anybody got any suggestions?

umm i believe that's it for now.  if i come up with more questions/things
to freak out about, i'll annoy you some more.  deal.

now figure out a damn date for that party!!!!  =P
**doris**

OH!  i'll have a surprise for todd and everybody that didn't know me
"before"  ;)



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how's this...

since peter and mikey have chosen to throw the party in their house, they
get to choose the date, and the rest of us stop posting 3-4 times every
time someone suggests a date.  after all, we're not gonna find a date that
works with every net-raver's schedule so we really oughta stop trying.

just a thought, and one that would stop us all from getting 25 new and
utterly pointless messages every hour.

chris

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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Bekka wrote:

> oh, and my location vote goes to CHICAGO!

of course it'd be nice to have it here in Urbana, but i'd of course make
the drive to another town, as long is it's not Chicago. not to be a baby
or anything. :)

> 
> bekka.
> 

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  I agree.  Not a lot of people are going to be able to blow off an 
entire weekend right around finals.  What's wrong with mid-May or June 
sometime.  This will give everyone plenty of time to plan and get time 
off from work or whatnot.  I know it seems like a long time away, but it 
will probably be worth it when you think of how many more people will be 
able to attend.

   Kevin


>Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:40:35 -0800
>From: Bekka <mercury@windsor.igs.net>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] MW Raves List Party
>
>shit...don't check yer mail for 18 hrs and look what u miss!!!
>
>Since EVERYone else's opinion's on here, here it goes...
>
>while April 17th is manageable, i REALLY, REALLY, REALLY think it 
should
>be AFTER 
>finals!!!!!!
>
>So I'm voting for May or June :P
>
>oh, and my location vote goes to CHICAGO!
>
>bekka.
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Hey All,

My name is Terrence and I don't tend to post a whole lot.

An mw-raves party is a great idea, and I want to help out. I don't have a
big PA or lights and I'm living on the cusp of mw-raves in Minneapolis.  

I would, however, be glad to give rides. I spin jungle and always welcome
the chance to play some tunes real loud. Making and eating food are two
of my favorite passtimes.

So I can help get things organized Minnesota-wise, and whatever else may
be required.

Later,

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doh!!  i *knew* i was forgetting something!!
we're hitting up some happy hardcore/jungle club thing friday night, if
anybody's gonna be out there that early please feel free to join us!!
i believe the info for that can be found at 416.760.3361.  if i'm
wrong...uh....too bad.

ok really, that's it for now, i promise.
**doris**



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This is somewhat non-rave-related but will be used on my Waxmasters booking
site.
I am trying to find some means of getting Chinese characters for an english
phrase for one of the artists that will be on my website.  If anyone knows
where I could find this info, please let me know.  I have spent quite a bit
of time searching, to no avail.

Peace and love,

Mike aka Hex
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www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/2181  Homepage
www.angelfire.com/ia/waxmasters  DJ booking site
ICQ: 12416740
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We are throwing a party in Columbia, MO (smack in the center of the state)
tentatively set for April 10 or 17.  We could "convert" this into an MW
Rave List party if anyone is interested...zAcH

Zach Rieken
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due to fever, shaking, painful limbs, headaches, cough and sore throat
i might have to miss hullabaloo! *sniff* unless i pull a miracle recovery
out of my butt (or some other oraface) by tomorrow, there's no way i can
make the whole weekend. sad :( so all you who go must boogie for me...

=jes

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, doris wrote:

> champaign/urbana kru, are we still on for saturday afternoon?  i haven't
> discussed this with my own kru yet, but i'll just throw it out there
> anyway:  how does 2 pm on the corner of queen and yonge sound?  (cause you
> *know* that's where you're gonna be anyway  =P)  any concerns should
> probably be voiced to me privately, i'm just asking publically cause it
> goes out to a bunch of people...
> 


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doris wrote:
> 
> meets at 8 at the
> golden griddle by the space and midnight at the foodcourt in the space.
> yes?

YES  


> one question:  how do we get to the golden griddle?  not direction-wise,
> i got that part down, but i think we'll be taking a shuttle to the party
> (or are we?  jeff?), 

NO!!!  Drive to the Golden Griddle then drive to the party.  Remember
the party isn't downtown T.O. or anything.  It's at the International
Centre which is by the airport and has TONNES of free parking :)

Remember, this ain't Detorit...hehe


> 
> champaign/urbana kru, are we still on for saturday afternoon?  i haven't
> discussed this with my own kru yet, but i'll just throw it out there
> anyway:  how does 2 pm on the corner of queen and yonge sound?  

Hey gang...I'll prolly make this 2pm deal anyway...not that Doris told
me bout it...
s'alright I forgive u 

see y'all,

bekka.

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>Ingenuity does not have to mean expensive. Great things can be done 
with 
>plastic cable ties, a 10 dollar strobe light, mannikin parts, and 
sheets 
>bought at a thrift store. 

werd.. when i threw Minimal State in march of 95, i went in with a 
concept of exactly what i wanted to do. Minimal as indicated by the name 
was the theme, and in keeping with this, i had the following: 2 fog 
machines, slides represenitive of the flyer projected on the wall, about 
30 blue light bulbs in clip on lights stratigically placed throughout, 
and a couple strobes. thats it. that was the concept, i followed my 
vision of what i wanted my party to be, and with *tons* of help from my 
friends, it all went off just how i envisioned it. this showed me that 
you dont need a full color flyer, 700 lasers, dataflashes, roboscans, or 
whatever to make a party successful. you also dont need 40,000 dollars. 
i did the event for under 5,000$ all included. amazing what a little 
creativity and a lot of friends can accomplish with next to no money. 
all in all, i threw a 800 person party with a stellar line up and even 
being on such a tight budget, i threw what was at the time one of the 
best partys in columbus. and admission wasnt 35 or even 20 dollars, but 
10. 


>Gestalt means the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. 
 
i like to think that a lot of the events we have done fit snugly into 
that category. i think that is because we have an idea of what a party 
should be, and we stick to this idea unquestionably. yeh, its cool to 
have a big ass light show, and all that, but thats not what we stand 
for. i been around here a while, and i have seen lots of promoters come 
and go, and proceed to lose their asses in the process. im not going to 
claim to know it all, but there are a lot of things that you *dont* need 
to spend money on. sound, as you said leigh, is the one thing that must 
not be comprimised.

 
>Let's get creative and do something a little different.


we're trying, dammit, we're trying........ele_mental lives on..(or 
something)

>That's my rant for the day. :)


and my rant as well.....


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hey, i need yer email addy, i live with t.j. of residual records, and we 
would like you to come down and play here in columbus.... gimmee a shout

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here are my thoughts... if anyone cares to hear from a fuckin loser...

...anyways, i forgot who said it but i think that if peat and mikey are going
to volunteer their house for the par-t, i think they have the say in what date
it is gonna happen'...

...the unfortunate fact is that no date is gonna be good for everyone, there
will always be conflicts...

...another impending mess is gonna be... the whole dj thing... as matt said
earlier that he is willing to spin... i am sure we can tag-team...

...i think that it might be a good idea for someone to volunteer or to
volunteer someone that would be in charge of sceduling d.j.'s ( a non-biased
person, because i dont think that there is gonna be enough time for everyone
to play their records)...

sorry for disturbing all of you...

eric "PATHETICON" spex

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If anyone would like to send out promo tapes to a St. Louis promoter
please reply for an address.

Stan Doublin
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> > > Gabber is a funny fish
> > huh?
> > do you mean 'fish is a funny gabber?'
> > you think I'm funny??

> I think you mean "think funny I'm you"

nah... uhm... watch any scene in Goodfellas where Joe Pesci threatens to go
psycho because somebody says "You're a funny guy..."

that's what I meant.

unfortunately... being a skinny Canadian I don't have the same sort of
intimidating power.

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>

>

>we're trying, dammit, we're trying........ele_mental lives on..(or 

>something)

>



I meant to say that ele_mental always does a great job of throwing 
QUALITY events that take into consideration the environment that the 
music is presented in. Because i was still somewhat asleep when i wrote, 
i neglected to mention you guys.   



If anyone hasn't been to an ele_mental event, go. 



Y'all please excuse my oversight :) 



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In a message dated 2/4/99 11:10:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
fishead@mb.sympatico.ca writes:

<< > > > Gabber is a funny fish
 > > huh?
 > > do you mean 'fish is a funny gabber?'
 > > you think I'm funny??
 
 > I think you mean "think funny I'm you"
 
 nah... uhm... watch any scene in Goodfellas where Joe Pesci threatens to go
 psycho because somebody says "You're a funny guy..."
 
 that's what I meant.
 
 unfortunately... being a skinny Canadian I don't have the same sort of
 intimidating power. >>

Yep ... actually one of my fav scenes on good fellas ... and it is also a
gabber sample ...
Besides the part when homeboy gets stabbed like 20 times in the trunk of the
car ....

alex
N+

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yes... you...
nitro... former owner of the big hair...
from St.Louis.
if you're out there, get in touch.

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April 17 is 2 days after my birthday!!!!!  I'll be there...if it 
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I can cook like a mutha too!!!
Just ask TRUNK!!!!!

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very true indeed (read the original message if you don't know
what in the hell I'm talking about ;)... as my only add note
to what leigh said (and to go full circle back to one of
my first real MW threads) let me just say:

BRING BACK THE AMBIENT ROOMS...

tata,

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> NO!!!  Drive to the Golden Griddle then drive to the party.  Remember
> the party isn't downtown T.O. or anything.  It's at the International
> Centre which is by the airport and has TONNES of free parking :)
> 
> Remember, this ain't Detorit...hehe

what....you mean i can drive to a  party and come out of the party
*not* expecting broken windshields, ripped out stereos, and 2 dead bodies
in the parking lot?  that happens??  they're still gonna have the shady
bums/parking lot guys trying to sell you metro times in return for
watching your car, right?  or at least asking for 10 bucks so they can
take off midway through the night and let your car get parked in.....

> 
> Hey gang...I'll prolly make this 2pm deal anyway...not that Doris told
> me bout it...

that's cause you weren't invited.  =P  just kiddin of course, i came up
with the 2 pm deal as i was writing that email, so nothing has been
decided without you =)  anybody who wants to meet up at 2 on the corner of
queen and yonge is more than welcome to, we'll try to be there, but even
if we're not, you'll be right where you wanna be anyway  =)  (queen and
yonge == toronto rave central  =P)

oh my gosh i'm such a geek, i'm getting excited over a RAVE!!!   =P~
**doris**


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I would just like to reiterate what a few others have said on this list..

I really think it should be up to the CU crew that is offering to let us
use their house for this party to determine the date.  Instead of going
round and round the list about when this *should* throw down, why
dont we let them come to us with a date they can work best?

Just trying to spare us all from weeks upon weeks of emails in regards
to the date.  Regardless of when this is going to happen, I'm going 
to make sure I can be there cause this is something *I* don't want
to miss :)

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djoracle writes:

> i say if money is collected 
>  get it to the sound/light/house people for the use of their equipment 
>  and home...then get the djs some gas money if theres some left-or just 
>  buy a shitload of food for breakfast or something after the event...more 
>  of my 2 cents...oracle

thats the best idea ive heard so far. but then again im only startin to read
all this mail i have :p   god bless your souls.

Gabe

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Matt writes:

> also, we all vote that there should be a very small (if any) 
>  random student population.... you should have a mw-raves list,
>  and like check at the door:
>  dude 1: KNOCK KNOCK!
>  dude 2: name and email address?
>  dude 1: uhhh...
>  dude 2: who are you with?
>  dude 1: uhhh... wtf?
>  dude 2: SEE YA!
>  SLAM!
>  
>  haha!
>  
>  matt

thats y we have lammies. i dont think its just a pc-cle thing ive met a few MW
ravers b4 who have had them. ne1 wanna offer to make them when we finally get
closer to the party?

GAbe

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FYI - to those that are planning this I want to make you aware that a
college here in St. Louis is funding a free party on the 17th of
April.  Also, I think I've heard about a party in Indy.  The Indy
party I'm not sure about.  Just for your information.  = )

Stan Doublin
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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, [.v/jek.] wrote:

> very true indeed (read the original message if you don't know
> what in the hell I'm talking about ;)... as my only add note
> to what leigh said (and to go full circle back to one of
> my first real MW threads) let me just say:
> 
> BRING BACK THE AMBIENT ROOMS...

Since the bulk of the conversation lately has been about a net party that
I can't attend no matter what week its held on...I thought I'd comment on
this one with something I realized the other day.

Since I moved out here to New Mexico, every event I've been to in Santa Fe
has

	had an ambient room
	not had any dj spin for less than 2 hours
	cost less than or equal to $12
	been in the same space, yet looked completely different every time


somebody i met a few weeks ago called this place "a time capsule"


I hope the net party goes well.  Somebody bring some beer

			paul toastman


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if it's pretty clear that the good folks in urbana will
be hosting the party, i am willing to volunteer to make
a sign-up type of page because i have the resource here
at work (coldfusion). people then can just go to the page
and fill out forms (name, hometown, how many pple, etc)

i can take a vote for the date on the form as well, providing 
that there will be several choices of dates...then peter
and mikey can make the final decision according to the most
popular date.

i even got the graphic done already :>

oh yeah, and i get to play on the decks! :P
(will bring my pmc07pro!...whenever it gets here)

johnny "miserabl snatch pikrz" burner
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In a message dated 2/3/99 11:41:06 PM Central Standard Time, hellige@imsa.edu
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<< hey! i can cook too! we should have a mw-raves muthafuckin POTLUCK!
 
anyone like Italian?  I can bake up a pan on lasagna like no bodys business!!
:)

Jen

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mikeyd@pubnix.org writes:

> march 20 is prime party time

Xactly,, Sonic Beats, Terry Mullens, Scott Henry


sorry im stickin with april 17th or later,, later might just be good 


Gabe

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i volenteer to make some baked ziti
i can make it both vegitarian and not
but if i have to drive 6 hours to be able to serve it no one will probably
want it anymore :-(

iySyS



>In a message dated 2/3/99 11:41:06 PM Central Standard Time,
hellige@imsa.edu
>writes:
>
><< hey! i can cook too! we should have a mw-raves muthafuckin POTLUCK!
>
>anyone like Italian?  I can bake up a pan on lasagna like no bodys
business!!
>:)
>
>Jen


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>Ok, who is feeding the crack to this list? 

Ok, why don't you SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the list show some 
togetherness for once. It's beautiful the way this list has come 
together for something like this. I kinda like not reading flame after 
flame after flame after flame. The rest of y'all.......MW_RAVES 
REPREZENT!!!

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At 04:04 PM 2/4/99 EST, Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:

><< hey! i can cook too! we should have a mw-raves muthafuckin POTLUCK!
> 
>anyone like Italian?  I can bake up a pan on lasagna like no bodys business!!

KICK ASS!  and i can buy a bag of chips like nobody's bizness.


Gip

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O.K. O.K. O.K.!!! I'm going to Miami already!!  I was gonna go before all
these opinions were slung all over my mailbox.
How 'bout some practical legistics....

A n y o n e   k n o w  w h o 's   p l a y i n g,  o n   w h a t   n i g h t
s   a t

w h a t  c l u b s ?

Maybe after one sees this they will not be able to refuse the allure of the
most rockin' event in the history of mankind (except of course for the Big
Bang Theory).
much love,
the willebear


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is anyone going to attend this party outside of Omaha this Saturday, February
6th cuz my boi and i are fairly new here and we are trying to meet peeps from
all over the mid-west...if anyone needs a place to crash - let me know... i
have a nice spacious apartment and maybe we could all cook breakfast on Sunday
morning and kick it with the tables... Muah to all - Carla (a lone, lost DC
raver)

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>
>Let's create environments that enhance the music, not detract from it.  
>
>
took the words from my own mind. Although i strive more for an experience
than an environment. I think it is the little things done by a promoter
that makes the party extra special, bright lighting, minimal, etc to
enhance music. Free things to enhance vibe. Toys to enhance sharing and
creativity. All thoughts are welcome on this issue as I am always looking
for new ways to enhance my parties :)
love,
-Jeffz

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who doesnt!!!!!!

> anyone like Italian? 

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In a message dated 99-02-04 15:37:43 EST, you write:

<< thats y we have lammies. i dont think its just a pc-cle thing ive met a few
MW
 ravers b4 who have had them. ne1 wanna offer to make them when we finally get
 closer to the party?
 
 GAbe >>


I would have no problems making them.  All I would need to know is
approximately
how many to make...I can do some scouting as to $$ (if its not too much I
should 
have no problems covering it) and where to get the laminating done at...
Anyone have
any tips you could send my way??  

Peace     ~Darian~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Work like you don't have the money, 
Love like you've never been hurt, 
And dance like no one's watching    :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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OK here's the deal.
you know, about a month or 2 ago I happened to ge a chance to meet 
Jens...actually not long after he got kicked off the list...and he 
happens to be a hell of a nice guy.  OK sur he says ome controversial 
shit now and then but think about it.  E-mail can only tell you so much 
about a person.  you can't ever see or actually hear the person so you 
never know when someone is being sarcastic or what the facial 
expressions of the person saying them is.  All I'm trying to say is that 
until you meet someone fo real, give em a chance.  I mean hey, you might 
actually find out you like someone that really pisses you off on here.  
maybe this partie will help us do that...
oh well
dylan
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i know this sounds 2nd grade... but how about for basic food and stuff....
each car of people brings 1 or 2 items from a certian (junk) food group.

example: 
people from MN bring chips
people from IL bring pop
people from IN bring juice
people from.... <whips out a map>   WI bring cookies
people from IA bring non-chip snack things... like pretzels crackers etc 
people from MI bring breakfast stuff... sweet rolls, pop tarts   whatever


so that we don't need to rely on there being enough food cooked to feed
however many people end up showing up.   i know in my kitchen it would be hard
to try and cook enough food for even 4 dozzen people- let alone a couple
HUNDRED.
i threw a party.... people TRIED to cook.. kitchen ended up a mess.   too many
cooks + many a hungry person waiting for food = disaster
not saying that people shouldn't cook... but it'd be easier to have other food
already ready to eat as well.  =)

just my input =)



have a nice day
~n












    where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are sm:)es

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In a message dated 2/4/99 4:28:19 PM Central Standard Time, MustMeetSP@aol.com
writes:

<< people from MN bring chips>>

I'd still be happy to bring my lasagna. 
I've gotten quite a response!!!!    =D

Jen  "The Italian Stallion" Anderson
No wait... I'm Swedish  :P

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I'm all about making my home made salsa for that party
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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 MustMeetSP@aol.com wrote:

> people from IL bring pop

Isn't that soda? Just kidding, that can actually be our password to make
sure no non-Midwesterners try to get in. You fucking hicks all say pop.

I mainly wanted to state that CU has the most net-ravers per square mile
of any city in the midwest. And that brings up the point that there should
be plenty of extra sleeping space in other houses besides Pete's. I wonder
how many people will show? I heard that eric has volunteered his bed to
anybody that wants it.

matt "i ain't from the midwest" demmon


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willebear wrote:

>O.K. O.K. O.K.!!! I'm going to Miami already!!  I was gonna go before all
>these opinions were slung all over my mailbox.
>How 'bout some practical legistics....
>
>A n y o n e   k n o w  w h o 's   p l a y i n g,  o n   w h a t   n i g h t
>s   a t
>
>w h a t  c l u b s ?
>
>Maybe after one sees this they will not be able to refuse the allure of the
>most rockin' event in the history of mankind (except of course for the Big
>Bang Theory).
>much love,
>the willebear

================================================

no acts have been announced yet - that's the way it ALWAYS is. the labels
all try to out-do each other so they keep the line-ups an "in-the-know"
kind of thing until you get down there... then the flyers are out, and in
your conference bag.

but the "magic sessions" on tuesday at liquid is an EVERY YEAR thing.

so at least THAT one is guaranteed.

see ya there. peace.
the kever.

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>                                          ___
>   kevy kev | kevin grimm             _.-|   |          |\__/,|   (`\
>   kg2 graphix. network23. rockmuzik {   |   |          |o o  |__ _) )
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>   gr@phix for a phunked up planet.    .--'-`-.     _((_ `^--' /_<  \
>                                     .+|______|__.-||__)`-'(((/  (( |
>   contax:
>   voice	614.297.6487
>   fax		614.297.6496
>   email	kg2@coil.com
>   web		www.kg2-graphix.com
>   rock	www.rocmuzik.com
>		kevin@rocmuzik.com
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willebear wrote:


>O.K. O.K. O.K.!!! I'm going to Miami already!!  I was gonna go before
all

>these opinions were slung all over my mailbox.

>How 'bout some practical legistics....

>

>A n y o n e   k n o w  w h o 's   p l a y i n g,  o n   w h a t   n i
g h t

>s   a t

>

>w h a t  c l u b s ?

>

>Maybe after one sees this they will not be able to refuse the allure
of the

>most rockin' event in the history of mankind (except of course for the
Big

>Bang Theory).

>much love,

>the willebear


================================================


no acts have been announced yet - that's the way it ALWAYS is. the
labels all try to out-do each other so they keep the line-ups an
"in-the-know" kind of thing until you get down there... then the flyers
are out, and in your conference bag.


but the "magic sessions" on tuesday at liquid is an EVERY YEAR thing.


so at least THAT one is guaranteed.


see ya there. peace.

the kever.


===============================================================================

>                                          ___

>   kevy kev | kevin grimm             _.-|   |          |\__/,|   (`\

>   kg2 graphix. network23. rockmuzik {   |   |          |o o  |__ _)
)

>                                      "-.|___|        _.( T   )  `  /

>   gr@phix for a phunked up planet.    .--'-`-.     _((_ `^--' /_<< 
\

>                                     .+|______|__.-||__)`-'(((/  (( |

>   contax:

>   voice	614.297.6487

>   fax		614.297.6496

>   email	kg2@coil.com

>   web		www.kg2-graphix.com

>   rock	www.rocmuzik.com

>		kevin@rocmuzik.com

>

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I'm getting a good deal of money back from taxes and finally found the
mixer I want.  Does anyone have any experience with the Vestax PMC-50a?
Yeah, yeah.. it's insanely expensive but it has _everything_
I want.  If I get this thing it should be the last mixer I ever have to buy.

So, anyone ever play with one?  See one in a music shop?  Touch one?

Let me know.

Thanks.





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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 MustMeetSP@aol.com wrote:

> i know this sounds 2nd grade... but how about for basic food and stuff....
> each car of people brings 1 or 2 items from a certian (junk) food group.

i think it's time for the mwraves VEGAN contingent to get together on this
one....in fact, im not sure how many people on here are actually vegan? i
know there's a few...anyway, this might be a good chance to meet up....

vegan power (wish venn was still sub-ed),
matt

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are you guys gonna do an all day thingy, like have tables and shit out at a
park somewhere would be cool and just lounge around and then go to da
"party" i dunno what the weather will be like but, being outdoors would be
nice for something like this since ppl are bringing food and all that..

=)'sc
curtis


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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 MustMeetSP@aol.com wrote:

> i know this sounds 2nd grade... but how about for basic food and stuff....
> each car of people brings 1 or 2 items from a certian (junk) food group.
> 
> example: 
> people from MN bring chips
> people from IL bring pop
> people from IN bring juice
> people from.... <whips out a map>   WI bring cookies
> people from IA bring non-chip snack things... like pretzels crackers etc 
> people from MI bring breakfast stuff... sweet rolls, pop tarts   whatever
> 


And Ill bring the weed! I got mad hook upz yo!

Or maybe brownies with weed in them but I wont tell anyone.  Oh the
hilarity!!!

Except I am not sure how easy it is to actually smoke a brownie...

hmmmmm...

first time for everything,
Adam


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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Adam Leon Meadows wrote:

> And Ill bring the weed! I got mad hook upz yo!
> 
> Or maybe brownies with weed in them but I wont tell anyone.  Oh the
> hilarity!!!
> 
> Except I am not sure how easy it is to actually smoke a brownie...


I guess you weren't at matter's last year

			-pt


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Okay, I'm going take some initiative here.... And try to keep the posting
on the list about this to a minumum...

I'll be at the party, unless it's during finals week, or the week I'm in
Florida... I promise... and as much as Marc is trying to resist, he's
coming too.... =)

I WILL ORGANIZE THE FOODSTUFFS.... I've got mad ideas, I've organized a
number of pancake breakfasts after parties and sketti dinners
beforehand... so.... here's what I want you all to do..

IF you're interested in cooking/bringing ANYTHING as far as food or
beverages goes, please send a PRIVATE email to me, with the subject line,
FOOD... Do not copy the list on this... We need people to bring more than
just food and drinks, so I'm going to organize this by area, kind of like
The other idea, but not totally.... I don't want to know now, WHAT you
want to bring, I just want to know if you want to help out with the
cooking, or just bring something etc... I'll get back to you guys on this
stuff after I've got a list compiled...

okay???

*waits for the barrage of emails to begin*

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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What's up with all this talk about majic brownies?

Does everybody on this list do drugs?!!!??!?!?

How many of you are straight-edge?

And how many actually X up?

matt



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> I'm getting a good deal of money back from taxes and finally found the
> mixer I want.  Does anyone have any experience with the Vestax PMC-50a?
> Yeah, yeah.. it's insanely expensive but it has _everything_
> I want.  If I get this thing it should be the last mixer I ever have to buy.
> 
> So, anyone ever play with one?  See one in a music shop?  Touch one?
----
damn, i should start paying taxes so i'll get some returns :>
(uhh, irs agents should ignore that last sentence, if you're reading)

umm..i used the said mixer very briefly at mikey's party in urbana.
it's designed to be like an installation system...but if you have the
money, i guess it's not bad for home use. it would be a great mixer
for parties cuz it has lots of inputs and easy hookups for live acts.
it's not all that great for scratching and tricks...but it does have
a fader curve adjustment (something i didn't know at the time).
the fader is not photo-coupler, though :>

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yow!  everyone's all hyped up and rearing with ideas... yayayay!

To make things *SIMPLER* and more organized, I've taken someone's
suggestion for a net party mailing list for anyone who wants to be
involved with helping organize this net party.  Pretty much all of the
decisions re: the party will be made on this list (such as how to choose
djs, who brings what, lammies, when, etc etc), and the finalized decisions
will be posted to MW-raves when appropriate. 

So, if you want to be involved in the decision making process, join the
group!  Send an email message to "majordomo@pubnix.org" with the body of
the message stating "s*bscribe netparty" (where * == 'u').  

For sorting purposes, every message on that list will have the string
"[NETPARTY]"  prepended to the subject line.. 

Unless people really like 500000000 messages an hour on MW-raves... ;)

w0nk....
-pete
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hey, quick question...
would it be possible for all the food at the party to be vegetarian (with 
some vegan options for the SUPER-FREAKS, of course)?
cause, yanno, the carnivorous/omnivorous types can tolerate a weekend of
vegetarian food, but not the other way around.
just a thought....
**doris**

dammit why do things stop being rave related when i make a comment?!?! :/



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That Idea sounds like a lot of fun!  It'd be cool to meet all y'all on 
that intimate of a setting. It sounds a lot more realistic than just 
some normal big party that has a tagline added on the flyer that it's 
the "official" mwraves party.    And Champaign/Urbana is nice, the last 
time I went to a party there I showed up about 4 hours early so I took a 
nap at Barnes and Noble.. and I'm willing to do it again.

I'll bring candy, and gardenburgers :)

Ethan
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>On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, dylan dorrell wrote:
>> Champaign/Urbana IL...yeah if it was gonna be a dope party and It was 
on
>> a fairly uneventful weekend I would make the 7 hr trip to get 
there...
>
>just out of curiosity, what kind of party is everyone talking about?
>some of you seem to want a full scale blowout while others are talking
>about smaller gatherings. peter manix probably has the best 
suggestion--a
>mwraves house party. matter had a very cool all mwraves house party a
>while back. something of that scope is feasible and a good way to 
really
>meet people. my votes for the house party/sleep over
>thing....there's nothing like watching mwraves people try to cook
>breakfast....
>
>matt
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In a message dated 2/4/99 6:19:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jchandratat@stthomas.edu writes:

> > I'm getting a good deal of money back from taxes and finally found the
>  > mixer I want.  Does anyone have any experience with the Vestax PMC-50a?
>  > Yeah, yeah.. it's insanely expensive but it has _everything_
>  > I want.  If I get this thing it should be the last mixer I ever have to 
> buy.

check out the vestax page... and go to the bargain area... pmc50a's are only
$1120 there.... and they are doing a sale on the MW-3000's... was $1125, now
only $650!!!!...  that is a nice little mixer... 

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In nashville this Saturday is Bobby's Universe, the infoline is 615-366-0266
here's the line-up: 
John Kelley, J Goodwill, raymond roker, Miles Maeda, DJ Skip, Clay ivey, aaron
ochoa, perry "paris" ellis, bob-a-dob, robert curcio, hypothetical and spytek,
lary breaks, brother j.c. dowrong, slugo, samme, x-ian the x-man, troll and
mogli, r.p.d., blondie etcetera, j-cru, scrilla, k.i.a./d.o.a.
It's at marathon village 
1300 clinton street
i think the directions and price are on the infoline, if not e-mail me and
i'll send em to ya.
~*HuGz*~    Laine

In a message dated 2/4/99 9:54:50 AM CST, willebear2@yahoo.com writes:

<< There's a party on Saturday with John Kelley(Funky Desert Breaks) 
 He's definately worth checking out!
 Sorry I don't have the info line with me but it's called "Bobby's
 Universe".  Have Fun!
 
 
 
 
 ---Aphexx21@aol.com wrote:
 >
 > NEOne know of any partiEz in Nashvegas this weekend?  I'll be in
 town Fri-Sun,
 > so any night...also, what clubs are worthy (if any)?  The only club
 I have
 > visited in Nash is The Connection...any info is appreciated!
 > 
 > Thanx in advance...
 > 
 > HuGZ and stuff  =)
 > 
 > -V-
 > 
  >>

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so craig and i went to the grand opening of mars music in hope
that they will have the vestax pmc07pro. the store didn't open
until 7 pm and there was an insane line outside where we waited
and waited in the drizzling rain (sounds familiar? we thought
we were at a party). anyway, we ditched the minnesota nice and
pushed to get in...headed straight to the "million dollar dj room"
to find that there was no pmc07pro. 

anyway, the point of the post was to inform folks around here to
check this place out. the price is right. vestax pmc05 pro was
going for $500! (unlike $650 at most places)..technics were $450.
the people there were nice and knowledgable...we met 2 dj's from
atlanta (or somewhere) that were working there. i didn't get to 
check out the production gears cuz craig was wanting to leave :P
i did get to play with the mc505, though...craig was amused because
we did a happy hardcore live pa on it. that d-beam thing is fun.

oh yeah, got the vestax turntable mechanics video too. it was 
funny as hell :> y'all should try to see it if you can. i have
to get my hands on their other videos. miserabl snatch pikrz are
awesome! yoga frog on crabbing: "you know, like the time i was
with your mother...crab...itchy, ya know".

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In a message dated 2/4/99 6:23:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, dpayer@umich.edu
writes:

> would it be possible for all the food at the party to be vegetarian (with 
>  some vegan options for the SUPER-FREAKS, of course)?
>  cause, yanno, the carnivorous/omnivorous types can tolerate a weekend of
>  vegetarian food, but not the other way around.

why? what about the people who only eat non vegan food? meat and cheese? why
should they have to suffer thru a weekend for some pansy ass grasseater?

if they are a carnivore, they wouldn't be able to tolerate it... if they were
an omnivore they could...

meat eaters unite!!! feast on those grasseaters!!!

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awwww, what a sweetie you are Doris :) did you take the plunge (into
vegetarianism) or were you merely thinking of me ;) ? If there is gonna be
veg*n food there I will convince Shanti to go down there with me, Doris, and
we will tagteam a set of the most sublime olskool UK hardcore (what we in the
states used to call "breakbeat") JUST FOR YOU =) plurry hugs (typed with high
sarcasm), u-sef

doris wrote:

> hey, quick question...
> would it be possible for all the food at the party to be vegetarian (with
> some vegan options for the SUPER-FREAKS, of course)?
> cause, yanno, the carnivorous/omnivorous types can tolerate a weekend of
> vegetarian food, but not the other way around.
> just a thought....
> **doris**
>
> dammit why do things stop being rave related when i make a comment?!?! :/




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[Matt Positive <mplaffey@midway.uchicago.edu>]
> On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 MustMeetSP@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > i know this sounds 2nd grade... but how about for basic food and stuff....
> > each car of people brings 1 or 2 items from a certian (junk) food group.
> 
> i think it's time for the mwraves VEGAN contingent to get together on this
> one....in fact, im not sure how many people on here are actually vegan? i
> know there's a few...anyway, this might be a good chance to meet up....
> 
> vegan power (wish venn was still sub-ed),

wheee!!! used to be... sold out to my ultimate desire for cheese and eggs.

however... i can cook lots of yummy YUMMY YUMMMMY vegan treats for y'all,
and love to cook for people, so i'd be more than willing to have a vegan
dinner at my place or sumthin...
if it's in urbana, that is... :)

matt

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>why? what about the people who only eat non vegan food? meat and cheese? why
>should they have to suffer thru a weekend for some pansy ass grasseater?
>
>if they are a carnivore, they wouldn't be able to tolerate it... if they were
>an omnivore they could...
>
>meat eaters unite!!! feast on those grasseaters!!!

Heh.. I don't eat meat anymore (worked in a slaughterhouse for a summer
once..)  But if there are any live animals there that people need
butchering, I'll be up to it!  I'm always up for a good animal slaughter!
Then I can make a nice haggis and some good blood sausage.

And just for everyones information.  When you chop the head off a chicken,
they -don't- run around for hours.  They may make it 10 feet or so, but
they usually just flop about.

bah.  I've been at work for too long.  I need to go home.





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In a message dated 2/4/99 5:23:13 PM CST, dpayer@umich.edu writes:

<< hey, quick question...
 would it be possible for all the food at the party to be vegetarian (with 
 some vegan options for the SUPER-FREAKS, of course)?
 cause, yanno, the carnivorous/omnivorous types can tolerate a weekend of
 vegetarian food, but not the other way around.
 just a thought....
 **doris**
 
 dammit why do things stop being rave related when i make a comment?!?! :/
  >>
I do like vegetarian food, but why don't we have vegetarian vegan and meat,
i'm tellin ya, if we don't keep the cow population dow they'll take over the
world, haven't you peopl read animal farm ;)
~*HuGz*~    Laine

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Hey, i'm not a real raver, i'm no tweaker, but i love the music and i
love the idea of list unity in a nice fat house party.

About the date quibs: The main concensus says April 14, and early june.
Why not 2 parties? I think we can all handle it. :)

and another thing: I have a Power Macintosh G3 I can bring in wit Video
outs that i have used to run visuals before. Bring a video projector and
it's all good. if anyone sees this as a viable eye candy funnel, just e-mail.

if there's a reply you want me to see, e-mail me privately. i get the
digest and skim it. 

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well this is sorta a test to see if im subbed to peter's list.

but also I thought i would announce that I will be bringing the following
items to the net party:

beef jerky.
hot dogs.
the cheapest hard liquor i can find.

thanks for your time,

chris

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> you should have a mw-raves list,
>>  and like check at the door:

>thats y we have lammies.

yeah, something like this is really important.  we have learned this 
through throwing our parties, because we only throw house parties.  i 
don't know the locality of your house but mine is college town.  which 
means there is always a keg party down the street the same night as our 
parties, which means all the drunk fucks come down to our house and 
cause problems.  we are going to start using passwords for our parties 
to prevent past situations from reoccuring.  lammies or passwords would 
be a great idea.

if you want any advice or have any questions about converting your home 
into a venue (our last party had over 450 kids show) just ask.  we've 
covered a lot of issues.  ventillation is still a problem though,  you 
either sound proof or ventillate.  we haven't figured out a compromise 
yet.  so if anyone knows, let me in on the secret please!

i would love to make it out to this little fiesta, but if it is on april 
17th i don't think i can make it.  i'm pretty sure that is the date of 
intel life forms next event in lexington. may or mid-june would be 
perfect for me.  

okay i'll quit rambling and try to finish reading all these damn 
messages that just keep coming and coming and coming.  ahhhhhh!  =)

PLoveUR
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yeah... also it brings to mind why don't those who feel inclined bring 
portable grills.. I know okay, maybe most of you don't have little 
barbeqcue grills, but i do, and I can't help but smile at the oimage of 
20 ravers w/ grills cooking up some foodstuffs on the back lawn with a 
party bumpin inside.. but maybe I'm just delisuional.


Ethan
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>i know this sounds 2nd grade... but how about for basic food and 
stuff....
>each car of people brings 1 or 2 items from a certian (junk) food 
group.
>
>example: 
>people from MN bring chips
>people from IL bring pop
>people from IN bring juice
>people from.... <whips out a map>   WI bring cookies
>people from IA bring non-chip snack things... like pretzels crackers 
etc 
>people from MI bring breakfast stuff... sweet rolls, pop tarts   
whatever
>
>
>so that we don't need to rely on there being enough food cooked to feed
>however many people end up showing up.   i know in my kitchen it would 
be hard
>to try and cook enough food for even 4 dozzen people- let alone a 
couple
>HUNDRED.
>i threw a party.... people TRIED to cook.. kitchen ended up a mess.   
too many
>cooks + many a hungry person waiting for food = disaster
>not saying that people shouldn't cook... but it'd be easier to have 
other food
>already ready to eat as well.  =)
>
>just my input =)
>
>
>
>have a nice day
>~n
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I dont know if many of you have had the chance to check the Best
of Techno-98 on Satellite, but I was amazed by how much Swedish 
techno has been developed for the last 2 years...60% of the singles 
there were released on Swedish labels...to me..Joel Mull is 
probably one of the best producers these days..yet..very underrated
Detroit people...this what happens when you rely on the past for 
too long, even good old Tresor had only 2 singles among the best 
of 1998-Holy Ghost-Live in Amsterdam (one of my favorites this 
year), as well as JB3- Ball Park...it seems like techno aint what it 
used to be..I wouldnt mind if Sweden became the new techno 
mecca in the world...I am moving to Stockholm :P

Luke Monteiro


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the moment you've all been waiting for...

THE PLAYAZ CLUB SPRING SCHEDULE

our new timeslot is midnight-2am on thursdays.  we can't express our
overwhelming joy at WSUM management for pushing us back from a respectable
timeslot to the midle of the night.  thanks guys.

anyway tonight (february 4th) will be 

chrise and dica (as usual)

spinning records and stuff.  we should have guests as the semester moves
along but we're gonna warm it up ourselves.

so tune in at
http://wsum.wisc.edu

thanks

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Well I've been ovo-lacto for 2 years... but I still party like a 
VEGAN!!.. 

Yeah give it up for non-omnivores!!

Ethan
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>i think it's time for the mwraves VEGAN contingent to get together on 
this
>one....in fact, im not sure how many people on here are actually vegan? 
i
>know there's a few...anyway, this might be a good chance to meet up....
>
>vegan power (wish venn was still sub-ed),
>matt
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hey i just read this book it's called "ending the war on drugs" by
dirk eldredge, he's this highly conservative republican who is
advocating that all drugs now illegal be legalized. it's also got
quotes by william f. buckley jr. (a more famous conservative) saying
what a good book it is. so it's good news that even conservatives are
acknowledging that the "war on drugs" has failed to do anything good +
is completely fucking over the whole country. for generally everybody
on the list i'm sure reading the books is like preaching to the choir
(well being preached at while in the choir) but maybe we can get other
people to read it. oh and about that "body by meth" ad, where the hell
are the "liver + complexion by alcohol" ad, and the "lungs and teeth +
breath (scratch + sniff) by nicotine" ad? i sense hypocrisy.

also i just saw this cool movie called "the cube". it's on video. it's
this science-fiction-action-suspense-
horror movie about these people that mysteriously end up trapped in
this maze of cubical rooms. some of the rooms have traps in them that
can kill people in a variety of ways. the people have to figure out
how to escape before they die of thirst and starvation, are killed by
the traps, or go crazy + kill each other. it's freaky.

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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, dj photon wrote:

> 
> also i just saw this cool movie called "the cube". it's on video. it's
> this science-fiction-action-suspense-
> horror movie about these people that mysteriously end up trapped in
> this maze of cubical rooms. some of the rooms have traps in them that
> can kill people in a variety of ways. the people have to figure out
> how to escape before they die of thirst and starvation, are killed by
> the traps, or go crazy + kill each other. it's freaky.

sounds intriguing.  I am always on the look out for unusual videos with at
least some sci-fi influence.  

Is the movie readily available or is it one of those things you have to
hunt down to find?  Is it a domestic film?  What section of the video
store did you find it in?

ok,
ADam



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Okay you spambots, anyone with any advice for someone who wants to throw
parties but isn't a yuppie (or whatever we call rich pigs this decade)
email me... 
   I know what I want to do, but I aint got no $10,000 to gamble with...
So if you know what's up, email me...(I don't read the whole list
usually.. you know the spiel... 100 "I'm kooler than you" messages to
every 1 that has information in it.)

<ox=D7x=D7x[=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>
~Jaysun.
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Husqvarnic writes:

> 
>  why? what about the people who only eat non vegan food? meat and cheese?
why
>  should they have to suffer thru a weekend for some pansy ass grasseater?
>  
>  if they are a carnivore, they wouldn't be able to tolerate it... if they 
> were
>  an omnivore they could...
>  
>  meat eaters unite!!! feast on those grasseaters!!!


ok i might not be the brightest glo stix in the bunch but how about
grasseaters bring gras foods and the dinosaurs bring meat?

oh my god that just might werk ;)

Gabe

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> Is the movie readily available or is it one of those > things you
have to
> hunt down to find?  Is it a domestic film?  What > section of the
video
> store did you find it in?

oops sorry. (to clarify things,) it's canadian. it was in the action
section of the strongsville, ohio blockbuster. my brother said he saw
it advertised in the blockbuster flyer, which i think is a
company-wide thing. i had never heard of it before that. so i'm not
sure how widely available it is, but if you can't find it you could
always request that your video rental place order a copy for their
store.

-elias
==
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the party: Bobby's Universe
Location: Nashville....Marathon Village
Thrown by: King Funk
InfoLine: 615 366 0266

djs spinnin:
john kelley
j goodwill
raymond roker
miles maeda
skip
slugo
samme
xian
aaron ochoa
clay ivey
troll & mogli
perry "paris" ellis
rpd
bob a dob
robert curcio
blodie et cetera
j cru
hypothetical & spytek
scrilla
kia/doa
lary breaks
brother jc dowrong-master of ceremonies (this should be interesting)

saturday. feb 6th

go..itll be fun*....=D nashville is craziness...i like it....=D

peeeSh
lauryN*

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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Matt Positive wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 MustMeetSP@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > i know this sounds 2nd grade... but how about for basic food and stuff....
> > each car of people brings 1 or 2 items from a certian (junk) food group.
> 
> i think it's time for the mwraves VEGAN contingent to get together on this
> one....in fact, im not sure how many people on here are actually vegan? i
> know there's a few...anyway, this might be a good chance to meet up....


Matt you are more then a VEGAN, you don't eat anything with
textute....That would make you a Dietary Purist  are there any other
Dietary Purists out there.


"We should have stoped at a grocery store and got some bread and orange
juice, thats all I really needed for this trip"  Matt commenting on his
dietary needs on a 4 day exscursion to NYC last summer.


-danXanthous



> **** DETONATE 4.10.99 **** 1.773.509.6437 <positive kids/happy league>




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Bekka wrote:

> K all,
>
> This is just a reminder for all u freaks that are gonna be at Hulla 9 on
> Saturday.
> The meet at the party is gonna be at 12, that's midnight everybuddy and
> it'll be at/around the cafeteria/snack shack thing.
>
> Now don't u kidz get all fucked up and forget bout it or put yerselves
> into a state of paralaysis so that u miss it :)
>
> see y'all Saturday,
>
> *drive safe everyone*
>
> bekka :)

Is the pre-party meet still on at 8:00 at the Golden Griddle?

>From what I hear it is real easy to find.. just down the street
from where the venue is.  I still have directions in my "old
messages" folder.

See ya there!



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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Luke Monteiro wrote:

>         ..I wouldnt mind if Sweden became the new techno 
> mecca in the world...I am moving to Stockholm :P
> 
   In my opinion it already has. Detroit has not progressed any in years. 
There may be a few artists still around who are producing decent music, 
but not of equal quality, and quantity as the Swedish have. That is 
not to say that Sweden has beat out Detroit from being the "techno city". 
This is just the beginning of a relatively new style of techno, the 
Swedish style. Which (IMHO) happens to be better than Detroit's style. 


Rob. D.

For a complete view of what Swedish Techno is all about, check out: 
 "emil.techno.org"


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> << thats y we have lammies. i dont think its just a pc-cle thing ive met a few
> MW
>  ravers b4 who have had them. ne1 wanna offer to make them when we finally get
>  closer to the party?
>  
>  GAbe >>
>

i'll do the laminates if somebody needs 'em done, i did 'em for another
party before, not too difficult :)

-=mike
 
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In a message dated 2/4/99 4:49:19 PM Central Standard Time,
demmon@students.uiuc.edu writes:

<< Isn't that soda? Just kidding, that can actually be our password to make
 sure no non-Midwesterners try to get in. You fucking hicks all say pop.
  >>

Actually I say soda...  
Been in Minnesota my whole life :)

Jen

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>    In my opinion it already has. Detroit has not progressed any in years. 
> There may be a few artists still around who are producing decent music, 
> but not of equal quality, and quantity as the Swedish have. That is 
> not to say that Sweden has beat out Detroit from being the "techno city". 
> This is just the beginning of a relatively new style of techno, the 
> Swedish style. Which (IMHO) happens to be better than Detroit's style. 

maybe you havent seen the progression in detroit's music because YOU are
stuck in the world of the 4X4 techno....   dont be so close minded to the
people doing things there now:  Carl Craig, Recloose, Plastikman, Kevin
Saunderson, Aux 88, Disco D, UR (<--they makin a comeback), moodyman, theo
parrish

techno doesnt necessarily have to remain in the 4X4 rut it is in....
look at "more songs about food and revolutionary art" by carl craig....
its not a 4X4 album...but it is techno....at least in my eyes...  why
should "techno" be defined as "electronic music that shows characteristics
of the 303 and 909 basskick"    fuck that.     techno is a feeling...

go out there are discover or rediscover your homegrown artists' labels:
Planet E, KMS, Contaminated, UR, direct beat, and much more....   

i do agree that the swedes have it going on...but dont they start to sound
alike after a while...many a beyer record has the same riff/rhythm on
it...but a little change to the sound...    gets boring imho.   alexi
delano has been putting out some funky shit as well as ben sims...   

anyways im off to the bar to rock out to neil diamond.

-mikeD
Distortion.Records
Rural.AmeriKa
217.353.5111

np:More Songs About Food and Revolutionary Art:CarlCraig:PlanetE



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shitty....

Ugly Bill's absence in the NEKSMO scene will be felt...  great guy... for
all of those whoever had the chance to meet him or hear him spin you know
his influence on the local jungle scene...

i wish him luck in all of his life's journies...

-pm-

DJ .com

International House of Boogie... Bald + Small!!!!

On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:23:38 +0000 "Jason Schroeder" <jasons@dlab.com>
writes:
>Attention Missouri, Kansas and Nebraska Jungalists:
>
>Ugly Bill left Kansas City today regarding a personal family 
>emergency.
>He will not be returning, and there is no more information available.
>
>Something as sudden as this can never be pleasant - since Bill was
>actually one of the few people I knew who liked living here, it's even
>harder to see him have to leave.
>
>We will all miss him dearly.
>
>:~(
>
>_jason
>
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>also i just saw this cool movie called "the cube". it's on video. it's
>this science-fiction-

[*KLIP*]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I FUKING LUV YOU!!!!!! I have been
looking for
ANYTHING about this movie ever since I saw a trailer for it on
IFC (independant film channel) last year (or so it seems)..
Damn.. thanx for the tip on tracking it down.. I owe you for this =)..

o0o[qiB.]o0o

btw- next to rent at blockbuster

TV nation episodes
anything else by michle moore (Roger and me)
Man Bites Dog (french)
Pi (cool till the end.. then it sucks)
Tetsuo the Iron man (japanese.. ditto on the fact it sucks at the end)
Burroughs (a documentary on william s.)
humm.. living in oblivion (steve buschemi)
umm.. ehh.. what do you want from me, I'm tired op ;)...

*Happiness (when it comes out.. from the same dork who made
"Welcome to the doll house")

*everything by woody allen (I'm a dork, ok =)...

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o

o0o[qiB.]o0o

action-suspense-
>horror movie about these people that mysteriously end up trapped in
>this maze of cubical rooms. some of the rooms have traps in them that
>can kill people in a variety of ways. the people have to figure out
>how to escape before they die of thirst and starvation, are killed by
>the traps, or go crazy + kill each other. it's freaky.
>
>-elias
>==
>hello my name is simon
>and the things i draw come true
>and the pictures take me take me climbing
>over the garden wall with you
>_________________________________________________________
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>I can cook like a mutha too!!!
>Just ask TRUNK!!!!!
>
>Crystal
>
Yeah she can!!!!
Just look at my belly!!!!!!

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>if they are a carnivore, they wouldn't be able to tolerate it... if 
>they were
>an omnivore they could...
>
>meat eaters unite!!! feast on those grasseaters!!!

FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had a bloody ass RARE hamburger with bacon and cheese and I feel the
E-coli!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE RED MEAT!!!!!!!!!

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  I mean hey, you 
>might 
>actually find out you like someone that really pisses you off on here. 


Yeah....I wanna fuck him!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

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>nitro... former owner of the big hair...
>from St.Louis.
>if you're out there, get in touch.
>
djnitro@juno.com


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>How many of you are straight-edge?
>
>And how many actually X up?

Me!!!!!!!!!!
(raises hand)

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>Ok, why don't you SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the list show some 
>togetherness for once. It's beautiful the way this list has come 
>together for something like this. I kinda like not reading flame after 
>
>flame after flame after flame. The rest of y'all.......MW_RAVES 
>REPREZENT!!!
>

Fuck it....I hate being "part of".  ;P

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decide for yourself


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HUH? damm bro i have never met any body that has flown there to schmooze
as a first priority...  personally id go there for the performances but
hey if your crew is down for droppin duckets to kiss ass well then so be
it. but i brought the subjuct up to see if any of my crew on here was
rollin down....                 peace,
							john
PaRaNorMal.... .  .    .       .           .anaidnI

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, dj muppetfucker wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 PixiEg4713@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > I thought the winter music conferance was supposted to be something for
> > business people in the scene, but everyone I know who talks about it like it's
> > just a huge weekend party.  Anybody have any comments about that?
> 
> It is a big industry party with some emphasis on dance music. Most people
> just pay to fly down there and hang around the bars/hotels/lounges in 
> a chance they can chat itup with someone "famous" in the scene.
> 
> Not my idea of fun, but hey, who am I to say? =P
> 
> 	dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
> Texas Hardcorps - Massive Magazine - Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad
> http://hardcorps.org - http://massivemag.com - http://hardcorps.org/thugs
> 	Contact: VMB - 512-703-8901 - http://hardcorps.org/muppetfucker
> 


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dj photon wrote:

> hey i just read this book it's called "ending the war on drugs" by
> dirk eldredge, he's this highly conservative republican who is
> advocating that all drugs now illegal be legalized. it's also got
> quotes by william f. buckley jr. (a more famous conservative) saying
> what a good book it is. so it's good news that even conservatives are
> acknowledging that the "war on drugs" has failed to do anything good +
> is completely fucking over the whole country. for generally everybody
> on the list i'm sure reading the books is like preaching to the choir
> (well being preached at while in the choir) but maybe we can get other
> people to read it. oh and about that "body by meth" ad, where the hell
> are the "liver + complexion by alcohol" ad, and the "lungs and teeth +
> breath (scratch + sniff) by nicotine" ad? i sense hypocrisy.

I've learned to think outside of the liberal-conservative dichotomy.
It's
quite liberating to look at ideas for what they really are, regardless of

what intellectual "camp" they come from.

Not all "conservatives" are Pat Buchanan/Ralph Reed loonies.



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>maybe you havent seen the progression in detroit's music because YOU are
>stuck in the world of the 4X4 techno....

who said swedish tekkno was 100% 4x4?? I have heard some
great electro/weird shit from them... even drum and bass
(check out tupilaq on audio pollution) at least count, their were
something in the order of 32-35 big stockholm labels...
hybrid and drumcode are just 2...



>dont be so close minded to the


Think about what I just said and then reassess your words...

>people doing things there now:  Carl Craig, Recloose, Plastikman, Kevin
>Saunderson, Aux 88, Disco D, UR (<--they makin a comeback), moodyman, theo
>parrish


well, to your credit, Cari and the big boys are starting to back pedal
into a nu-wave detroit sound.. His unreleased e.p. on his new label
(djupt #1) really disappointed me.. but when it hits the stores,
old school detroit HOUSE djs will eat it up.. not very cutting edge,
but good...

>techno doesnt necessarily have to remain in the 4X4 rut it is in....
>look at "more songs about food and revolutionary art" by carl craig....
>its not a 4X4 album...but it is techno....

see my comment about tupilaq again... it sound like
autechre meets drum and bass...

at least in my eyes...

all luke said was "IN MY HUMBOL OPINION i think sweden
puts out better shit"... btw- LUKE, SUB TA the 313 tekkno list
and repost this message.. I did something similar and started the
funniest flame war I've ever been apart of... my original post
is included at the bottom of this just to piss off people who hate
bvandwidth waste (and to add to the mw conversations)..



why
>should "techno" be defined as "electronic music that shows characteristics
>of the 303 and 909 basskick"    fuck that.     techno is a feeling...


I have almost never heard a 303 in stockholm tekkno...
In addition, are you implying that swdish people don't have the "feeling" ..
isn't this as closed minded as what you accuse luke
of???

>go out there are discover or rediscover your homegrown artists' labels:
>Planet E, KMS, Contaminated, UR, direct beat, and much more....


Music is music.. don't be so nationalistic..

>i do agree that the swedes have it going on...but dont they start to sound
>alike after a while...

Not if you really listen... There are many types of swedish tekkno..
not just the minimal baging stuff... The same could be said about
detroit and sheffield...

I can tell a lekebusch from a mull from a beyer from a savinto...
but all drum and bass sounds the same.. is this because the music
really does sound this way? or is it my unfamiliarity with the
genere? Don't forget some people think all black people
look the same, and to somebody not in the rave scene, all tekkno
sounds the same.. I know people who can't tell jungle and hardcore
apart..


>many a beyer record has the same riff/rhythm on
>it...but a little change to the sound...    gets boring imho.

they do fodder trax, yes.. everybody does.. but they also do compositions of
great quality.. the difference between them and most other styles that these
two approaches to track production
are done within a similar genere.. Chicago originated this...

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o

btw- I lied... keep your eyes open for my "Death of cool post, which
is what I was going to include here, at the bottom...




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Reprinted from the detroit techno mailing list...
--------------------------------------------

Is detroit techno dead?

"That which is dead can enternal lie, and with even strange
aeons, even death may die"
--The mad arab..

When I got into electronic music it was the cool and syncopated
rhythms of F.U.S.E., DBX, Circuit breaker, the magick juan,
Flashing eddie, Jeff Mills.. [ect] that moved my mind and
burned my wallet for fun and enjoyment... Nowadays, I look
around my crate and find only European based records in my
collection (beyer, surgeon, vogel, landstrumm, subhead)...

Taste change, this is a given.. but it seems like the spark has left
detroit and moved onto loftier positions.. This change in musical
direction in my life is a personal one, but I'm still driven to
purchase by the same desires that fueled me in my younger days..
Innovation...

Now, you might be asking yourself "what the hell is this kid all
on about, eh?"... detroit is detroit, and vogel is vogel.. right?
Well, that viewpoint is fair enough, but I wouldn't be on this
soapbox if it wasn't for one little item
nagging in the back of my head.. Long ago, I saw interviews
with detroit techno artist and within these 'views they stated
detroit was about exactly what I feel is lost, innovation...
Where is it? Do you guys agree? If not, where should I look for
something to rival this European invasion of innovation I'm
currently immersed in?

Alan Oldham once said that everything in electronic music is
cyclic in nature, that detroit innovates
and the europeans imitate.. They take their products and
reproduce them with a few slight twists until detroit comes back
with  something new.. and then the cycle begins again...

When is this going to take place?

just a few thoughts from a mad poet...

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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Bekka wrote:

> Adam Ierymenko wrote:
> >
> >
> > Is the pre-party meet still on at 8:00 at the Golden Griddle?
> >
> > >From what I hear it is real easy to find.. just down the street
> > from where the venue is.  I still have directions in my "old
> > messages" folder.
> >
> > See ya there!
>
> YES it is!  Maybe u should post the directions again.
> I'm leavin' in the mornin'...see ya there :)
>
> bekka

Ok.. here's the directions:

Luis "moo" Garcia wrote:
>
>> Approaching Toronto from the South, Take the exit for the 427 North
...
> just follow the signs for the Airport.  Once you're heading North,
take
> the exit for Dixon road and hit a left (west).  You're already on your
way
> to the party.  Pass the entrance to the airport and keep on driving
for a
> few minutes.  You should see a sign for Golden Griddle on the right...

> although you should watch carefully, 'cause the Griddle is actually in
the
> ground floor of some office building, as I recall.  Anyway, the party
is
> just a few minutes further down Dixon.

BTW, friends of mine in Toronto say the venue for this party is HUGE and

should have no problem accomidating everyone.  Basically, if you have
out
of city (let alone out of country) ID's you should get in.

The Canadian/US border is no hassle-- a few tips:

   - If there is any odor of weed coming from your car they will tear
your
       vehicle apart.  I know some people like to clambake on long trips
so just
       warning you.  :-)  (It's generally not a good idea anyway in case
you
       get pulled over.)
   - Don't talk about clubs/parties.. say you're going to visit
friends.  Don't
       use the R word whatever you do.  (R*ve, in case you're wondering)

See ya there!



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> 
> maybe you havent seen the progression in detroit's music because YOU are
> stuck in the world of the 4X4 techno....   dont be so close minded to the
> people doing things there now:  Carl Craig, Recloose, Plastikman, Kevin
> Saunderson, Aux 88, Disco D, UR (<--they makin a comeback), moodyman, theo
> parrish
> 
> techno doesnt necessarily have to remain in the 4X4 rut it is in....
> look at "more songs about food and revolutionary art" by carl craig....
> its not a 4X4 album...but it is techno....at least in my eyes...  why
> should "techno" be defined as "electronic music that shows characteristics
> of the 303 and 909 basskick"    fuck that.     techno is a feeling...
> 


This hints at a really profound point.  One that I think a lot of people
over look (including myself) most of the time. 

Its kinda of hard to bring in to language for me...  But maybe its not the
music thats limited but your DEFINITION that limits it.  Like when people
say techno hasnt progressed any and their definition is something specific
like "techno has a 4/4 kick drum beat and a synth loop that is repeated
and tweaked."  Of course then by your definition, techno "is stagnant"
because there is still music that meets your precise definition being
produced today.  

Yet another flaw of the whole defintion/schema system.  If you follow
the music of certain artists over the course of several years, I think you
will see a distinct progression. Even if it goes beyond your definition of
what techno is.

I am sure the detroit guys could make the code red stuff if they felt it
worked into their vision of music.  Not to knock the Sweden people though.
They have found a very clever and subtle formula and I say lets see what
kind of solutions they can realize.

And then lets move on.

Adam 


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word up!
			j

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> My take on the WMC:
> 
> It's geared toward the clubs/ anything marketable.
> 
> I personally wouldn't mind going. Maybe get some mixtapes made and pass 'em
> around or something. I know some of the music that I like (ie the harder
> stuff) will probably not be an emphasis, but what the hell. I saw a pic of
> Lenny Dee & (I think) Manu Limalin(sp) taken at the WMC a year or two back. 
> 
> Yes it's a shmoozefest. But if it was free...why the hell not.
> 
> I know that there was a Plus 8 party there. Of course I'd love to go to a
> Napalm, Svek or Next Generation pool party. Is the WMC underground? Who cares.
> Busty Miami/club broads drunk out of their minds...it's all good.
> 


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At 09:20 PM 2/4/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>How many of you are straight-edge?
>>
>>And how many actually X up?

X up???
um, i don't think i get x's... unless i do poor on tests...

:)


--o-- Mike --o-- 


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> people from MN bring chips
> people from IL bring pop
> people from IN bring juice
> people from.... <whips out a map>   WI bring cookies
> people from IA bring non-chip snack things... like pretzels crackers etc
> people from MI bring breakfast stuff... sweet rolls, pop tarts   whatever

I'm sorry... but people from Wisconsin should bring beer and/or cheese... cookies
can be part of the pretzels/crackers/etc... and Canadians will bring maple syrup
for the pancakes.

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Ok.. my area (dayton-columbus-cinnci) is finally hip enough to carry
*some* stockholm records in their bins.. mainly from labels like:

Code Red
Hybrid
DrumCode
Svek
Blank ltd
loop~
Planet Rhythm

but I'd like to find a shop (which isn't sonicgroove ;)
that carries a decent selection of lesser known labels like:

Maskros
borft
g-force
allot of loop
zync
allot of primevil
countdown 2000
inside
corb
evil deception
anonyn* (best house label on the planet ;)
trainspotters nightmare
audio pollution
ect....

help?

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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right on!
... i make a concerted effort to eat an animal by-product with every meal!

for example: my typical breakfast... a large bowl of mr. T cereal... whole
milk (more bang for yer buck!)... and some fried sausage balls to round it
off...

meat eaters unite...
... i will bring a seperate grill for the carniverous!

eric "eat em up" spex!

... by the way... who wants to get REALLY drunk... I DO!
...also who wants to have a wwf hour... where we go outside (after we have
drank a bit)...and... basically... beat the shit out of eachother? ( i always
offer this suggestion... and every time i end up gettin the shit beat out of
me... ohh well...



In a message dated 2/4/99 5:18:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, Husqvarnic@aol.com
writes:

> why? what about the people who only eat non vegan food? meat and cheese? why
>  should they have to suffer thru a weekend for some pansy ass grasseater?
>  
>  if they are a carnivore, they wouldn't be able to tolerate it... if they 
> were
>  an omnivore they could...
>  
>  meat eaters unite!!! feast on those grasseaters!!!
>  

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Also, whatever you do, DON"T LOOK NERVOUS.  If you act as if you've done
this a million times and act real friendly, they are way less likely to
hassle you.  Also, if they decide to search you, don't panic.  They have
to do a certain number of random searches, and as long as you don't get
sketched out, they'll just toss through your luggage and move on.  DON'T
BRING DRUGS unless you're prepared to hide them and take the risk of being
in serious international hot water.  Also, if you have facial piercings,
and you feel comfortable slipping them in and out, take them out when you
cross the border or put in ones that are relatively small and discreet.
Also, have the most "normal" looking person at the wheel when you cross
and have your ID at hand.  I know it's stupid, but the border guards rely
on "looks" to choose who they search, so don't look like a raver.

=]
Luis

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Adam Ierymenko wrote:

> The Canadian/US border is no hassle-- a few tips:
> 
>    - If there is any odor of weed coming from your car they will tear
> your
>        vehicle apart.  I know some people like to clambake on long trips
> so just
>        warning you.  :-)  (It's generally not a good idea anyway in case
> you
>        get pulled over.)
>    - Don't talk about clubs/parties.. say you're going to visit
> friends.  Don't
>        use the R word whatever you do.  (R*ve, in case you're wondering)
> 
> See ya there!
> 
> 


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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:41:47 -0500 "\[.v/jek.\]" <fmsci@email.msn.com>
writes:

>all luke said was "IN MY HUMBOL OPINION i think sweden
>puts out better shit"... btw- LUKE, SUB TA the 313 tekkno list
>and repost this message.. I did something similar and started the
>funniest flame war I've ever been apart of... 

speaking as someone who is on the 313 list, please *DON'T* do this.  i've
seen enough moronic flame wars on 313 to last a lifetime.  we don't like
them at all...too many people have unsubbed due to all the stupid shit
being posted there.

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halfway between detroit and chicago....


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I was FINALLY able to catch a "Therapy" session online tonight.  

Being in a very different time zone and usually doing something
productive at this time of night on Thursday, I haven't been able to
check it out before.

How cool that I can sit here and type this email and simultaneously
listen to Mike Geiger spin live, clear across the country!  Technology
rocks!

But anyway, I am ever-impressed with Mike's continuously growing
skills and notoriety.  I remember when he used to spin at house
parties in Ann Arbor... he was decent when he started out, but I was
AMAZED at how quickly he improved and how immediately the promoters in
Detroit started booking him consitently. His skills are STILL growing
and his style expanding to encompass so many different genres of
electronic dance music.

GO MIKE!!!

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I'm organizing all the edibles... period... If you have ANY thoughts AT
ALL about bringing ANYTHING, with you to eat and to share with others,
please don't post it to the list anymore... You have two choices... 

1. Fill up my mailbox with private email regarding bringing food and food
related items to the party... (grills, griddles, cups, plates, silverware,
booze, cheese, MEAT, etc...)

2. post to the netparty list that you're interested in helping out with
the food and I'll grab your name from there and compile a mailing list...

I'm a pretty organized person, and to make this REALLY go off, (at least
if you all wanna get fed or drunk, or drink anything at all,
pop/soda/soda-pop/coke, water, juice etc...) then it'll be much easier on
me and the rest of the people attending the party if you would please
email me privately or send a small message to the netparty list saying you
wanna help with food... (and tell me your location (city/state) too
please... I've got a bazillion ideas already on how to organize
everything, so please trust me... I'm the "official Mw-Raves Mom"... I
wanna take care of my children and make sure their tummies are nice and
full so my babies can have the energy to party all night... =) 

thanks for your time an co-operation....

If you've already emailed me, I've got you down already... =)

-Becky =)

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also:
if you have a place to stay have that phone number handy... customs will
often ask how long you're there and I've actually been phoned at home by
customs agents who were checking a friend's story (wanting to make sure
she did, in fact, have a place to stay)...
check with any friends who are travelling with you about criminal
records and be aware that any with priors or unresolved charges may be
turned away at the border (part of the group I was touring with during
the summer tried to drive up to Toronto for the Autechre show and were
turned away because of this)...
be prepared to answer questions about your work (whether you are
currently employed) and about where you live (whether you have a
permanent residence) because customs will want to be sure you aren't
planning on coming across and looking for work...
finally... Luis point about drugs should be stressed...
bringing drugs across the border is a very bad idea... not only because
of the risk of getting caught, but also because you'll be dealing with
the Canadian criminal code (not the US one) which is different... you
may know your specific rights in the US, but they may be different
across the border.

odds are you won't have any problems at all... but you should always be
prepared for things to get weird.

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>speaking as someone who is on the 313 list, please *DON'T* do this.  i've
>seen enough moronic flame wars on 313 to last a lifetime.

Very true, I was speaking with tounge firmly implated within my
cheek...  sarcasm isn't translated through email all too well...

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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>Man Bites Dog (french)

werd, this movie is wicked.



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matthew robert demmon wrote:

> What's up with all this talk about majic brownies?
>
> Does everybody on this list do drugs?!!!??!?!?
>
> How many of you are straight-edge?
>
> And how many actually X up?

marijuana is not a drug it is a plant...thats like saying if
you eat lettuce you are doing drugs cause you get vitamins
from it and in a far off sense vitamins in their synthetic
form could be considered drugs...the US needs to get over
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isn't techno that stuff like the crystal method and that stuff in the VW
beetle ads? I love that techno stuff. really repetitive though.



laugh.


paul
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yeah...tonight...

Friday February 5th

Solid State and Erotishock drop the motherload...

FADED

Charles Feelgood
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This kinda freaks me out a bit.  I'm an addict in recovery for over two in a
half years.  If you do make magic brownies, please enjoy them but be kind
enough to label them in some way.  I would hate to blow my sobriety on some
overzealous prankster I've never met before.  Thanks for the consideration.
-----Original Message-----
From: matthew robert demmon <demmon@students.uiuc.edu>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 6:17 PM
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>What's up with all this talk about majic brownies?
>
>Does everybody on this list do drugs?!!!??!?!?
>
>How many of you are straight-edge?
>
>And how many actually X up?
>
>matt
>
>


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In a message dated 2/5/99 1:34:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, mikeyd@pubnix.org
writes:

> maybe you havent seen the progression in detroit's music because YOU are
>  stuck in the world of the 4X4 techno....   dont be so close minded to the
>  people doing things there now:  Carl Craig, Recloose, Plastikman, Kevin
>  Saunderson, Aux 88, Disco D, UR (<--they makin a comeback), moodyman, theo
>  parrish

i disagree, detroit hasn't really done much... i think... nothing that appeals
to me anyway... and most of what did appeal to me detroit, has run off, cause
it wasn't respected... or just stays in their bedrooms doing tracks... very
interesting distorted electro... very dark could go with jungle or techno or
hardcore... of even electro... i didn't even catch all these guys names... i
just really dug their stuff... i won't say detroit over all is boring... but i
will say their are still a few pumping out nice stuff, i just wish they would
get more recognized... 
  
>  techno doesnt necessarily have to remain in the 4X4 rut it is in....
>  look at "more songs about food and revolutionary art" by carl craig....
>  its not a 4X4 album...but it is techno....at least in my eyes...  why
>  should "techno" be defined as "electronic music that shows characteristics
>  of the 303 and 909 basskick"    fuck that.     techno is a feeling...

i never heard a 303 basskick.... ;)

>  go out there are discover or rediscover your homegrown artists' labels:
>  Planet E, KMS, Contaminated, UR, direct beat, and much more....   

contaminated.. is that a chicago label?
 
>  i do agree that the swedes have it going on...but dont they start to sound
>  alike after a while...many a beyer record has the same riff/rhythm on
>  it...but a little change to the sound...    gets boring imho.   alexi
>  delano has been putting out some funky shit as well as ben sims...  

sweden has put out some nice stuff, but just like detroit... it is sounding
boring overall right now.... 

on the whole, i would say, they are good techno producers everywhere... and
bad ones everywhere... depends on your tastes as well

besides, if we all liked the same thing, it would incredibly boring would it
not?

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Well the term Mind-altering substance just doesn't roll off the lips 
like 'drug' you can argue semantics in that way, and the definition of 
drug as a chemical used to affect a change doesn't entirely encompass 
mariuana, that's correct, but I think we all knew what she meant.. so 
really ithink the term drug was okay there.
I'm not saying marijuana is evil and unnatural.. just that it's a drug.. 

Ethan
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>marijuana is not a drug it is a plant...thats like saying if
>you eat lettuce you are doing drugs cause you get vitamins
>from it and in a far off sense vitamins in their synthetic
>form could be considered drugs...the US needs to get over
>this shit that marijuana is a drug
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>
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>and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
>your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
>I am chaos.  I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.
>
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I think you should consider the phrase "mind altering" drug.  I haven't been
able to find any good mind altering lettuce lately and it's been really
cramping my style.  Can you hook me up with a quarter bag of lettuce.  What
about psilocybin mushrooms.  Cocain comes from the cocoa PLANT.  LSD comes
from a mold called ergot off of rye bread.
Peote is a cactus PLANT.  And on and on.  Do some research-it's pretty damn
interesting.  A tree is not a drug it is a plant.  Perhaps if you smoked an
entire tree you could get a buzz?!  I'd be willing to try.  Just some
thoughts.

"I met a DJ who lived in seclusion.  Reality and sobriety were her only
delusions."
-Presidents of the USA
"Never let a drug (or lettuce) do for you, what you can't already do for
yourself."
-Some pro skater dude
"Just say no to lettuce!"
-willebear
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>matthew robert demmon wrote:
>
>> What's up with all this talk about majic brownies?
>>
>> Does everybody on this list do drugs?!!!??!?!?
>>
>> How many of you are straight-edge?
>>
>> And how many actually X up?
>
>marijuana is not a drug it is a plant...thats like saying if
>you eat lettuce you are doing drugs cause you get vitamins
>from it and in a far off sense vitamins in their synthetic
>form could be considered drugs...the US needs to get over
>this shit that marijuana is a drug
>----------------------------------------------------
>As long as government exists...PEACE CANNOT
>All government, all law and authority finally rests on force
>& violence,
>on punishment or fear of punishment...
>TEAR IT DOWN & LET THE TRUTH BEGIN!!!   F.T.W.
>
>I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists
>and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
>your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
>I am chaos.  I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.
>
>ICQ# 23795954
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I was just havin' fun at someone elses expense.
I repent.
-that guy with a conscience
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>Well the term Mind-altering substance just doesn't roll off the lips
>like 'drug' you can argue semantics in that way, and the definition of
>drug as a chemical used to affect a change doesn't entirely encompass
>mariuana, that's correct, but I think we all knew what she meant.. so
>really ithink the term drug was okay there.
>I'm not saying marijuana is evil and unnatural.. just that it's a drug..
>
>Ethan
>bondseer@hotmail.com
>ICQ:629161
>
>
>>marijuana is not a drug it is a plant...thats like saying if
>>you eat lettuce you are doing drugs cause you get vitamins
>>from it and in a far off sense vitamins in their synthetic
>>form could be considered drugs...the US needs to get over
>>this shit that marijuana is a drug
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>As long as government exists...PEACE CANNOT
>>All government, all law and authority finally rests on force
>>& violence,
>>on punishment or fear of punishment...
>>TEAR IT DOWN & LET THE TRUTH BEGIN!!!   F.T.W.
>>
>>I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists
>>and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
>>your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
>>I am chaos.  I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.
>>
>>ICQ# 23795954
>>Personal Communication Center:
>>http://wwp.mirabilis.com/23795954
>>AOL Instant Messanger: blitzgrafx
>>
>>bLiTz
>>The FreeBass Collective & Conspiracy unINC.
>>bLiTz GrafX Design Lab
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
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>  
> >  i do agree that the swedes have it going on...but dont they start to sound
> >  alike after a while...many a beyer record has the same riff/rhythm on
> >  it...but a little change to the sound...    gets boring imho.   alexi
> >  delano has been putting out some funky shit as well as ben sims...  


 I dont know..I really like the tribal aspect of Swedish Techno,  like 
some of the new stuff by Joel Mull, High Tech Child, Puente Latino
even some of the stuff on Tronic Records, but to me, techno hasnt 
really been explored to its fullest, producers have been too limited 
to the established 4/4, 909/303 patterns, I really believe that once 
we start exploring the possibility of creating new hybrid styles, 
techno will get better and better, I havent really produced anything 
yet, but I have to admit, stuff like The Doors, Led Zeppelin, not to 
mention Blues and Jazz music have been my strongest influences,
I was born in Brazil and I have always pictured the possibility of 
blending Brazilian rhythms like samba and bossa nova with 
elements of techno music, maybe someday, I will be able to, 
all I can say is, be creative, but dont rely on the past too much

L u k e   M o n t e i r o


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WillEBear wrote:

> I think you should consider the phrase "mind altering" drug.  I haven't been
> able to find any good mind altering lettuce lately and it's been really
> cramping my style.  Can you hook me up with a quarter bag of lettuce.  What
> about psilocybin mushrooms.  Cocain comes from the cocoa PLANT.  LSD comes
> from a mold called ergot off of rye bread.
> Peote is a cactus PLANT.  And on and on.  Do some research-it's pretty damn
> interesting.  A tree is not a drug it is a plant.  Perhaps if you smoked an
> entire tree you could get a buzz?!  I'd be willing to try.  Just some
> thoughts.

how in the fuck are you going to compare cocaine and lsd to marijuana granted
they are semi-organic but treated with checmicals and certain molecular
structures arre isolated...you do some research...mushrooms no they are not a
drug they are a spore..peyote and naturally occuring mescaline are not drugs but
rather a plant and a moleculard structure from a plant...if it is founf
naturally occuring in nature and not tampered with my man it is not a drug in my
opinion....you ever heard of anyone OD-ing on coca leaves, marijuana, mushrooms,
or peyote...show me one case of an overdose with these and i will shut the fuk
up and i do mean documented proof not something you heard in another stall while
taking a shit at the local mall...naturally occuring substances were put on this
earth for man to use and naturally occuring substances have bui;lt in safety
devices so as not to overtake and OD:

the worlds holiest book states, and i've taken the liberty of quoting Genesis
1:29 "Then God said "Behold I have given you every plant yeilding seed that is
on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yeilding seed;
it shall be food for you."

so yes in my opinion marijuana is a type of food and shoould be all that believe
in Christianity, Judism, and Islam, all of which consider this book of the
Bible, Koran, & Torah to be holy,
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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:26:55 EST MustMeetSP@aol.com writes:
>i know this sounds 2nd grade... but how about for basic food and 
>stuff....
>each car of people brings 1 or 2 items from a certian (junk) food 
>group.
>
>example: 

>people from.... <whips out a map>   WI bring cookies

Fuck that.  I say people from Wisconsin bring BEER & VODKA !

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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:56:04 -0600 (CST) Matt Positive
<mplaffey@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:

>
>i think it's time for the mwraves VEGAN contingent to get together on 
>this one....in fact, im not sure how many people on here are actually 
>vegan? i know there's a few...anyway, this might be a good chance to
meet 
>up....
>

I'm not Vegan, but I am Vegetarian (9 years, 2 months, 4 days &
counting).

	Joe
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On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:15:43 -0500 "Paul \(xjerkneckx\)"
<xjerkneckx@ameritech.net> writes:

>and another thing: I have a Power Macintosh G3 I can bring in wit 
>Video outs that i have used to run visuals before. Bring a video
projector 
>and it's all good. if anyone sees this as a viable eye candy funnel,
just 
>e-mail.
>

I have a video projector and a TV to VGA converter (but you probably
don't need that with an A/V Power Mac)
I am planning on bringing it.

	Joe
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 05 07:38:20 1999
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i actually saw the cube... and kept laughing my ass off cos the lead cat, the
police officer looks like 3D.  (three-dimensional cube... ha... ha.)

its actually pretty interesting... cept i saw it the same day as i saw PI the
movie... which pi was severely... demented...

and a little more highbrow sci fi philosofuck for my tastes...

but cube was a good evening... cept

i saw it when i was quitting smoking... so i was depressed to hell
afterwards...

entro
p.s. they have it at blockbuster

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the name of it is "Total Fitness"

DJs include:
Jane Fonda
Dave Stai
Pervious Jackson
Centrific 
1309 w 28th st 
Davey J
 + MORE!!! 

in the 2nd room:
and house band Raw Sugar 


the only one i've actualy heard spin is Jane Fonda.....  he's my friend danny.
he spins happy hardcore.

it's a house party, the place is in Uptown a few blocks from St Sabrinas and
condom kingdom- no cover and the more the merrier...... everyone is VERY
encouraged to bring friends!!!   =)

i'll be there, blowing bubbles of course =)

call (612)  365-2569  for more info, and an exact address.

hope to see you all there =)



have a nice day
~n


PS:  Bring friends bring friends bring friends bring friends!!! =D






    where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are sm:)es

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In a message dated 2/5/99 1:41:14 AM CST, MustMeetSP@aol.com writes:

<< he only one i've actualy heard spin is Jane Fonda.....  he's my friend
danny.
 he spins happy hardcore. >>

wow, another hh dj in mpls? this place is getting clogged with them now :P i'm
here, spree's here, and this jane fonda person is here. but i'm leaving soon
so it don't matter :) more hhc!!!!!

cloudskipper

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i don't:  smoke, eat meat, have sex, drink, do drugs... (not even asprin) 

um.. but i'm addicted to bubbles, does that count?

i seriously am addicted though... but i'm slowly weening myself off of them =)

have a nice day
~n









     where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are smiles



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 05 07:58:53 1999
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Hehe, yeah that damn techno stuff is just too awfully boring!  Soo repitive
and uneventful.  I'll stick with what MTV and VW tells me too! =)

=)'s
curtis "i'm gonna start putting stuff here if it's ok that i copy off you
jason" =)


>isn't techno that stuff like the crystal method and that stuff in the VW
>beetle ads? I love that techno stuff. really repetitive though.



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yo mah homemade guacemole iz tha shit

NNOthing

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first of all i want to say that i think techno inherently contains the
seeds of universality, through its repetition and its ability to express a
musical balance between human creativity and technology.  so anyone who
wants to say that techno from one place is better than techno from another
place, has a provincial and (in my mind) outdated view of how music works
and how musical forms translate from culture to culture and place to
place.

having said that, i have a problem with swedish techno and a lot of
european techno in general, because it has taken most of its structures
from detroit techno and hollowed them out, leaving them empty.  it's a
gross generalization, i know, and i'm aware of the complexity of the issue
(detroit took much of its own inspiration from european forms, for
example), so i'm not trying to be hard-headed here. 

but i think a great deal of european techno (with lots of exceptions) only
has a superficial understanding of what made detroit techno so important
and unique, especially in its heyday from 1987-1992.  what made detroit
techno so special was the way in which it reflected a unique cultural
situation ("the post-industrial condition") and coded it within a musical
form that both reflected its own struggle with that situation, while also
reaching for a universal appeal.  even more important, detroit techno
found an incredibly rich musical area that perfectly balanced the coldness
of technolgy (repetition, synthetic sounds) with the human warmth of funk
(syncopation, creation of a "groove"), and made that fusion both audible
and danceable.

on the other hand the europeans, despite a long history of loving
different kinds of black/funky music, are not as well equipped to decode
the cultural knowledge embedded within detroit's music (its urgency, its
irony, its sadness, its _blackness_).  so many european artists (as in the
case of the swedes) take only those aspect of detroit techno that are
useful to them, and the result is a new mutation.  but to my ears it is a
mutation that is less rich, less powerful, and less important because it
leans too far towards the mechanical side of things, or only artificially
mimics funk.  

then again, i'm not expecting someone from sweden to make music that
sounds like it came from the gritty streets of detroit.  i expect a
swedish artist to make music that reflects their own situation.  but for
me, their situation is less interesting that what goes on in detroit every
day...

even as i type this, they're tearing down a beautiful area of street art
in detroit called the heidelberg project, created by tyree guyton out of
the debris from his own neglected neighborhood.  instead of valuing the
deep irony of making art out of trash, the detroit city government would
prefer to sweep this guy under the rug.  and this is the kind of
atmosphere many detroit artists (musical or otherwise) have grown up in. 

meanwhile, swedish artists can count on the goverment to support them by
subsidizing their projects, making sure they don't starve, and taking care
of them when they get sick (and so on). 

neither situation makes one artist "better" than the other.  but the
circumstances are definitely different.  for some, music making has a
stronger sense of urgency.

++
e d




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mw-raves-private will have lammies.

they'll be better than yours.

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>how in the fuck are you going to compare cocaine and lsd to marijuana
granted
>they are semi-organic but treated with checmicals and certain molecular
>structures arre isolated...

I think he was actually trying to compare coca and LSA in erogot
woodrose and morning glory seeds to the THC contained in dagga...

>you do some research...mushrooms no they are not a
>drug they are a spore..

Yes, but the psilocybe inside of the plant is a drug... not that this
is saying much.. I understand your feeling towards this term.. since
the 1930s the term "drug" has taken on connotations beyond the
textbook definition of the term... in reality, all things are drugs
because almost everything we encounter in life causes neuro-chemical changes
within our bodies (this includes not only THC,
but our boyfriends, girlfriends, the music we like, masturbation..
ect) ... This thread borders on the absurd, because many of these
holier than thou crusaders for a drug free rave scene don't
understand all the variables inherent in drug usage.. Neither side
is ever going to come to heads on this issue because everybody
has this self righteous attitude that their model of reality is
irriquivicably [sp] the best, and holds the guiding light to truth..
bullshit in my opinion... Granted, in a peronal (subjective) light,
these sentiments are very true.. but when a personal model is
expanded beyond the confines of that person.. well.. this is
when the proverbial shit hits the fan..

>peyote and naturally occuring mescaline are not drugs but
>rather a plant and a moleculard structure from a plant...

I see your point (??), but have to disagree on the mescaline side
of things.. Mesc. is a substance, one of many in peyote that add
to the overall  psychedelic experience... it is still a drug in the
textbook since of the word, to argue this is to assert (through
semantic gymnastics) a whole new linguistic construct beyond
what exists in our society today, and this borders on the absurd
as well, because the sole purpose of language is communication..
something that this process wouldn't facilitate to easily...

>if it is founf
>naturally occuring in nature and not tampered with my man it is not a drug
in my
>opinion....you ever heard of anyone OD-ing on coca leaves, marijuana,
mushrooms,
>or peyote...

Yes.. #1) OD does not mean death.. just over the dose somebody
wanted to take.. it is far easier to OD on plants than the pure,
extracted psychoactive chemical.

#2) amantia musgaria (I haven't been doing entheogenics in a while,
so the name is written phonetically) can cause death.. it is a
natural mushroom... (the one in the mario game ;)..
dantura is another plants that ispsychoactive and can cause death.

#3) why would the term "drug" have to imply OD potential in the
first place?

>show me one case of an overdose with these and i will shut the fuk
>up

I have heard of one case of death due to peyote.. back in the early
50s or late 40s.. but it was nothing more than a footnote in a text
I was reading years ago... You are correct, indolic alkaloids
generally can not cause death.. extream psychological trama to
those not trained in using them, yes.. but death.. no...
THC and coca are not indolic, though...

and i do mean documented proof not something you heard in another stall
while
>taking a shit at the local mall...naturally occuring substances were put on
this
>earth for man to use and naturally occuring substances have bui;lt in
safety
>devices so as not to overtake and OD:


Many plants that are even used by ethnic cultures for spiritual
purpose are deadly....

>the worlds holiest book states, and i've taken the liberty of quoting
Genesis
>1:29 "Then God said "Behold I have given you every plant yeilding seed that
is
>on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yeilding
seed;
>it shall be food for you."


Umm.... that book was written down nearly 200 years after
the message "came" from "god"... have you ever played the
telephone game? If so, you can understand how the wording can
be suspect (not to mention the translations it went through)..
Keep in mind that the world (at this time, from the authors points
of view) consisted of a small portion of northern africa and the
middle east...

>so yes in my opinion marijuana is a type of food and shoould be all that
believe
>in Christianity, Judism, and Islam, all of which consider this book of the
>Bible, Koran, & Torah to be holy,


The funniest part off all this shit is that NOBODY has mentioned
the fact marijuana is high in protein and various other "drugs"
our body finds refreshing (no, not the THC.. I mean nutrients)..
particularly the seeds...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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another kickin week on the playaz club... here's what we played.

[theme song]
rappin 4-tay "playaz club" [chrysalis]

[dica's mix]
ray keith "the reckoning" [v]
jack shadow "on the fly" [smoker's inc]
dj krust "warhead" [v]
dark agenda "boogie nights" [vinyl syndicate]
vinyl syndicate "man of steal (dub mix)" [urban takeover]
click n cycle "tribute" [sos.com]
photek "the lightning" [photek]
fresh n vegas "otto's way" [metro]
pish posh/dj seen "da monsta rmx" [rawkus]
usual suspects "killa bees" [renegade hardware]
pish posh/dj seen "onikoroshi" [rawkus]
ram trilogy "mind overload" [ram]
warfare "overt-kill" [machete promo]
elementz of noize "neon (ray keith rmx)" [emotif]
wu-tang clan "c.r.e.a.m" [loud]

[chrise's 97 style mix]
88.3 feat lisa may "wishing on a star (urban shakedown remix)" [sm:)e]
vortex "crystal wind" [hard beats]
jonny l "wish u had something" [xl]
tyrell "resonance" [gyration]
dom & rob "distorted dreams (desired state remix)" [moving shadow]
ed rush "the raven" [metalheadz]
chris-e "unknown" [abyss]
grooverider "kemistry vip" [razor's edge]
neo-tech "terminal" [moving shadow]
nasty habits "shadowboxing rmx" [31]
optical "to shape the future" [metalheadz]
concept 2 "no mistake" [ram]
dj ss "old skool society" [formation]
d' headbanga "shout of the grotto beast" [DonQ]
ray man "demon j" [gyration]
optical "moving 808s" [prototype]


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how are we all going to GET them?
that's kind of a lot of stamps, if we're mailing them out... 

just another curious kid (at heart),
~n

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At 09:20 PM 2/4/99 -0600, Doug E Forrester wrote:
>
>>How many of you are straight-edge?
>>
>>And how many actually X up?
>
>Me!!!!!!!!!!
>(raises hand)
>
I thought Straight edgers were Vegan... ?

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I cross the border everyday and must say that i totally agree with all
this!!  The customs officers, on the U.S. side, have not been too
impressed with my pinkish/redish hair lately let me tell ya :P

K...see y'all tomorra,

:)

bekka


Luis "moo" Garcia wrote:
> 
> Also, whatever you do, DON"T LOOK NERVOUS.  If you act as if you've done
> this a million times and act real friendly, they are way less likely to
> hassle you.  Also, if they decide to search you, don't panic.  They have
> to do a certain number of random searches, and as long as you don't get
> sketched out, they'll just toss through your luggage and move on.  DON'T
> BRING DRUGS unless you're prepared to hide them and take the risk of being
> in serious international hot water.  Also, if you have facial piercings,
> and you feel comfortable slipping them in and out, take them out when you
> cross the border or put in ones that are relatively small and discreet.
> Also, have the most "normal" looking person at the wheel when you cross
> and have your ID at hand.  I know it's stupid, but the border guards rely
> on "looks" to choose who they search, so don't look like a raver.
> 
>

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actually...i think..weed is a food...it's in the vegetable family...i 
beleive leafy..veggies at that.... :P

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   I just wanted to add one thing.  If you are taking anything illegal 
across, then make sure you keep it on you.  They will only strip search 
you if they find something in your car, including something as small as 
a marijuana seed in your ashtray(which got us searched one time.)

  Kevin

>Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:27:18 -0800
>From: Bekka <mercury@windsor.igs.net>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] Tips for crossing the border was: HULLA-MEET
>
>I cross the border everyday and must say that i totally agree with all
>this!!  The customs officers, on the U.S. side, have not been too
>impressed with my pinkish/redish hair lately let me tell ya :P
>
>K...see y'all tomorra,
>
>:)
>
>bekka
>
>
>Luis "moo" Garcia wrote:
>> 
>> Also, whatever you do, DON"T LOOK NERVOUS.  If you act as if you've 
done
>> this a million times and act real friendly, they are way less likely 
to
>> hassle you.  Also, if they decide to search you, don't panic.  They 
have
>> to do a certain number of random searches, and as long as you don't 
get
>> sketched out, they'll just toss through your luggage and move on.  
DON'T
>> BRING DRUGS unless you're prepared to hide them and take the risk of 
being
>> in serious international hot water.  Also, if you have facial 
piercings,
>> and you feel comfortable slipping them in and out, take them out when 
you
>> cross the border or put in ones that are relatively small and 
discreet.
>> Also, have the most "normal" looking person at the wheel when you 
cross
>> and have your ID at hand.  I know it's stupid, but the border guards 
rely
>> on "looks" to choose who they search, so don't look like a raver.
>> 
>>
>



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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Luke Monteiro wrote:

> From:           	Husqvarnic@aol.com
> Date sent:      	Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:51:33 EST
> To:             	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject:        	Re: [mw] Sweden-The new techno mecca
> 
> 
> >  
> > >  i do agree that the swedes have it going on...but dont they start to sound
> > >  alike after a while...many a beyer record has the same riff/rhythm on
> > >  it...but a little change to the sound...    gets boring imho.   alexi
> > >  delano has been putting out some funky shit as well as ben sims...  
> 
> 
>  I dont know..I really like the tribal aspect of Swedish Techno,  like 
> some of the new stuff by Joel Mull, High Tech Child, Puente Latino
> even some of the stuff on Tronic Records, but to me, techno hasnt 
> really been explored to its fullest, producers have been too limited 
> to the established 4/4, 909/303 patterns, I really believe that once 

But look, if techno did not use the 4/4 kick, would it still be techno in
your eyes?  Or would it be labeled electro or jungle or ambient (all of
which owe some of their existence to techno) in your mind?  What does
techno mean to you? A feeling? A pattern? A prototypical sound format?
Dont criticize techno for being something its not, when if it was it
wouldnt be labeled as techno in your mind (that probably didnt make
sense).  I am not saying you necessairly do that but its the feeling you
are communicating to me.

I think if you examined the entire spectrum of _music_ carefully,
you would find that many of the hybrids you are searching for are out
there.  Maybe they dont have a genre name or consist of components so 
different in nature that each culture a sound is borrowed from, rejects
the whole for violating too many rules of their definitions of what is
good music.  Music with no home.

Thats "many" hybrids have been done.  Not all. There is still plenty of
room to explore out there.  Infinite room. 

respectfully,
Adam



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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 MustMeetSP@aol.com wrote:

> i don't:  smoke, eat meat, have sex, drink, do drugs... (not even asprin) 

wow!  Life must be grand.  Thanks for letting eveyone in on your
perverse condition of untenable purity!!  Do you breath?  Thats a risky
behavior you know.  It eventually kills 100% of the people that try it!
Watch out!

Everyone respects people that make it known that they are just so much  
healthier than everyone else.  Right up there with the people who brag how
many rails they can take in a nostril a night.

By the way, whats a drug?  See, I am taking my second semester of organic
chemistry right now and I am curious to what your defintion is, to see if
Im right.  

> 
> um.. but i'm addicted to bubbles, does that count?

I wish you would have said "i'm addicted to blowing bubbles" cause then I
could have made a funny joke about Michael Jackson's pet chimp and
everyone would have liked me more. :(

sarcastically yours,
Steve


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In a message dated 2/5/99 1:56:42 AM Central Standard Time, MustMeetSP@aol.com
writes:

<< um.. but i'm addicted to bubbles, does that count? >>

YUS! young lady you are going straight to hell in a handbasket with a big red
bow attached.....

<just playin>

peeeSh
lauryN* 

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i never actually understood this phrase (vegan power) until i had been
vegan for at least a year. (not to sound self-righteous or anything ;)

anyhoo, as a u/c resident my kitchen is open, which is important if
you've ever seen the kitchen at 709.  i'll be bringing something yummy and
chocolate (and dairy-free). that means no chicken grease for you matt!

=jes
vegans (and non-smokers) taste better!

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Matt Positive wrote:

> i think it's time for the mwraves VEGAN contingent to get together on this
> one....in fact, im not sure how many people on here are actually vegan? i
> know there's a few...anyway, this might be a good chance to meet up....
> 



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Easy killer.  I was merely amused at your comparison of marijuana to
something as inoccous as lettuce.  Most "drugs" derive from a plant was my
only point.  If you were to eliminate all "drugs" that originate from a
plant, that would only leave a few designer/synthetic drugs like MDMA and
methamphetamines.
We've all either heard or personally done (as I have) that one speech for
class on the legalization of Hemp.  You would have to be a true
narrow-minded moron not to see that the benefits of legalizing hemp far
outweigh the negatives.  Hell, I live in Kentucky for fuck's sake.  It's our
number one cash crop.  We have a hemp outlet four blocks from my house.  I'm
with ya here, just givin' you a little flack.  It is only through
disagreement and arguement that we can find truth.  Didn't mean to piss you
off so bad, girl.
Massive Hugz,
willebear
"..and the sign said the words of the prophets are written on the (bathroom
stalls at the mall)."
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To: WillEBear <willebear@mindspring.com>; MW-Raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [mw] weed is not a food


>WillEBear wrote:
>
>> I think you should consider the phrase "mind altering" drug.  I haven't
been
>> able to find any good mind altering lettuce lately and it's been really
>> cramping my style.  Can you hook me up with a quarter bag of lettuce.
What
>> about psilocybin mushrooms.  Cocain comes from the cocoa PLANT.  LSD
comes
>> from a mold called ergot off of rye bread.
>> Peote is a cactus PLANT.  And on and on.  Do some research-it's pretty
damn
>> interesting.  A tree is not a drug it is a plant.  Perhaps if you smoked
an
>> entire tree you could get a buzz?!  I'd be willing to try.  Just some
>> thoughts.
>
>how in the fuck are you going to compare cocaine and lsd to marijuana
granted
>they are semi-organic but treated with checmicals and certain molecular
>structures arre isolated...you do some research...mushrooms no they are not
a
>drug they are a spore..peyote and naturally occuring mescaline are not
drugs but
>rather a plant and a moleculard structure from a plant...if it is founf
>naturally occuring in nature and not tampered with my man it is not a drug
in my
>opinion....you ever heard of anyone OD-ing on coca leaves, marijuana,
mushrooms,
>or peyote...show me one case of an overdose with these and i will shut the
fuk
>up and i do mean documented proof not something you heard in another stall
while
>taking a shit at the local mall...naturally occuring substances were put on
this
>earth for man to use and naturally occuring substances have bui;lt in
safety
>devices so as not to overtake and OD:
>
>the worlds holiest book states, and i've taken the liberty of quoting
Genesis
>1:29 "Then God said "Behold I have given you every plant yeilding seed that
is
>on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yeilding
seed;
>it shall be food for you."
>
>so yes in my opinion marijuana is a type of food and shoould be all that
believe
>in Christianity, Judism, and Islam, all of which consider this book of the
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I dated a vegan for two and a half years....oh what fresh hell that was.
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>
>
>i never actually understood this phrase (vegan power) until i had been
>vegan for at least a year. (not to sound self-righteous or anything ;)
>
>anyhoo, as a u/c resident my kitchen is open, which is important if
>you've ever seen the kitchen at 709.  i'll be bringing something yummy and
>chocolate (and dairy-free). that means no chicken grease for you matt!
>
>=jes
>vegans (and non-smokers) taste better!
>
>On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Matt Positive wrote:
>
>> i think it's time for the mwraves VEGAN contingent to get together on
this
>> one....in fact, im not sure how many people on here are actually vegan? i
>> know there's a few...anyway, this might be a good chance to meet up....
>>
>
>


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Point your RealAudio thing at http://wmhd.rose-hulman.edu and click on the
Live Now! link for tonight's guest DJs (of sorts)

	MATT POSITIVE
   	 If you haven't heard his mixtape (the one w/the Tetris track),
         here's your chance.

   	ETAIN CASE
        Hard trance by way of Dayton.

Show starts at 10:00pm EST-11:45pm or so.  Hope you can tune in!
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hi,
i haven't paid much attention to the list lately, but this party has 
sparked my attention.  where is it going to be held?  I would really 
like to go/see this thing pulled off.
i'll bring plenty of squash, i love squash.

jesse

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I've OD'd on mj before. If you smoke a lot and don't eat much the day
before, you get dizzy and pass out. I was bleeding all over the place. I
still have the scar on my head where I hit the pavement. BTW, this
incident was many years ago, I'm not stoopid like dat any more.

Matt



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Hey, 
	Argue Semantics all you want, the shit still fucks your head and body up.
Using the argument that god put everything on earth for us to use is
complete bullshit, why are there poisonous weeds, plants, etc that the body
has no use for, but will cause death or illness.  Fungus can infect your
lungs, cerain mushrooms make you ill, the list goes on and on.  
	It would be nice if all this bullshit could get sat to wayside.  You like
drugs?  Fine.  Why do you feel you have to try to persuade everyone to
think that it's great.  I don't care if any of you use or not, but I don't
care your reasons, just do it and don't waste my time, and everyone else's
time with your rationalizations.  Thanks.

Cos


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Cosmo <dogmai1@iastate.edu>, Said:


>	It would be nice if all this bullshit could get sat to wayside.

Agreed.  There are more important things to argue about.

>You like
>drugs?  Fine.  Why do you feel you have to try to persuade everyone to
>think that it's great.  I don't care if any of you use or not, but I don't
>care your reasons, just do it and don't waste my time, and everyone else's
>time with your rationalizations.  Thanks.


It tends to go both ways.  I've seen non-users on the list make broad
sweeping statements saying that "all (insert favorite drug) users suck"
I'm of the opinion that if your drug use doesn't interfere with anyone
else, you can smoke crack for all that I care.  Yeah, you should be
carefull, etc.. but don't judge either way.  And besides, I'm sure almost
everyone on the list has tried many of the things popular at parties and
they may or may not continue to use them.  It's their choice, and people
have made these choices due to some personal reasons.

live and let live.





                                          -jp
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>You like
>drugs?  Fine.  Why do you feel you have to try to persuade everyone to
>think that it's great.  I don't care if any of you use or not, but I don't
>care your reasons, just do it and don't waste my time, and everyone else's
>time with your rationalizations.  Thanks.

i think the reason people persuade others that drugs are ok... is attributed
to the misery loves company philosophy... ala drug buddies.

as far as drugs...

fuck em...

roms are my drug.

entro
"you emulate my style like your first name was callus... your uberalice will
try to desecrate my chalice."

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Sounds more like you were just suffering from low blood sugar, rather than
ODing on ganja.  I've had the same thing happen to me, from just not eating
or drinking much on a very hot day, without smoking any MJ.  I also have
scars on my head, from hitting the oven door handle in my kitchen.  The
folks at the emergency room gave me some mighty suspicious looks when I
tried to explain what happened.

________________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: matthew robert demmon [mailto:demmon@students.uiuc.edu]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 12:19 PM
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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> 
> 
> I've OD'd on mj before. If you smoke a lot and don't eat much the day
> before, you get dizzy and pass out. I was bleeding all over 
> the place. I
> still have the scar on my head where I hit the pavement. BTW, this
> incident was many years ago, I'm not stoopid like dat any more.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 05 20:07:51 1999
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why must you ppl argue about the stupidest shit???  TAKE DRUGS OR DONT
TAKE THEM. simple. no need to elaborate. so please, shut the fuck up
about it.

- Jens 

anyone have a good cure for a hangover? =)

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That is so much bull shit.

A lot of "naturally" occurring substances are very toxic, and mind/body
altering.  It would be very easy to die from eating ergot mold.  Many people
have died by eating naturally occurring poisonous mushrooms that looked a
lot like non poisonous mushrooms.  There are plants like belladonna, which
are powerful hallucinogens, but also very toxic.  There are plants which are
just plain poison, like fox glove.  

Naturally occurring substances might be more likely to be toxic than man
made ones.  It is usually in a plant's best interest to be poisonous, so
that it won't be eaten.

________________________________
Chris Wundram
c-wundram@taltrade.com 

...you ever heard of anyone OD-ing on coca leaves, 
> marijuana, mushrooms,
> or peyote...show me one case of an overdose with these and i 
> will shut the fuk
> up and i do mean documented proof not something you heard in 
> another stall while
> taking a shit at the local mall...naturally occuring 
> substances were put on this
> earth for man to use and naturally occuring substances have 
> bui;lt in safety
> devices so as not to overtake and OD:
> 

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heheheh 

my favorite drug?

delirium (being up for forever...sober....that will twist your mind worse than
anything ive ever taken)

ahhhhhhh being a college student makes you well aware of how to get fuddup
just offa lack of sleep....

and due to delirium being such a common thing in my life....a cup of coffee
always helps in the mornings....

heheehehh uppers and downers...im on a one way track straight to hell....

sorry im on this "going to hell kick"...im in a class called "god evil and
evidence" here at school and im in a discussion section with a buncha people
who think IM GOING TO HELL lol...or maybe they think im from hell...i
dunno...have yet to decide...(heheh shit yo the class is at 9am...im not
exactly the most agreeable human being at that time of the day thank you very
much)

peeeeeeeSh
lauryN*

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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, eluna wrote:

> first of all i want to say that i think techno inherently contains the
> seeds of universality, through its repetition and its ability to express a
> musical balance between human creativity and technology.  so anyone who
> wants to say that techno from one place is better than techno from another
> place, has a provincial and (in my mind) outdated view of how music works
> and how musical forms translate from culture to culture and place to
> place.
>

i agree.
 
> having said that, i have a problem with swedish techno and a lot of
> european techno in general, because it has taken most of its structures
> from detroit techno and hollowed them out, leaving them empty. 

i don't agree... sure, i can see the detroit influence in swedish techno,
and i think they work wonderfully together in a set.  but i think if you
compare them separately...it's like commparing apples to oranges.

but i think in both musics, as you listen, the key is the subtleties...
you follow these into where they are and come out with a new respect for
the situation.  

detroit techno tells me about the black experience, something i think we
can all learn a great deal from...and few of us can truly know.  
if we really knew...i think we'd be more inclined to act.

swedish techno/tech house tells me there's no reason we can't live
together, there's no reason why we can iron out any problems we have with
each other and live on inside that cushy synth.  

the harder stuff conveys an urgency...to me anyways.  if i think of it as
frustration, it makes the song too silly.  it's a stronger voice telling
us to give in to change.

beyond that, i don't think either music pretends to be anything other than
what it *is*.  

so, this is what _i_ get out of it... so the question about which area is
the the new techno mecca is really irrelavent to me.  i find enormous
happiness in music from both areas, and i don't think there's any reason
we can't be in more than one spot at the same time.

you probably have some different mileage.

peace,
Chad



-chad m sponholz-
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give me some food.


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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:03:28 -0500 "WillEBear" <willebear@mindspring.com>
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>only point.  If you were to eliminate all "drugs" that originate from 
>a plant, that would only leave a few designer/synthetic drugs like MDMA 

Actually, MDMA can be synthesized from sassafras.

	Joe
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you emulate my style like your first name was callus... your uberalice 
will
>try to desecrate my chalice."
  What is uberalice??? Is that suppose to be uber ALLES as in OVER ALL 
??? Just curious(not trying to knock you)
                              Paranoid about not knowing something
                                    Love to all
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ACtually, MDMA doesnt come from sassafras.. It comes from a leg of the 
chem. design called safrole... Someone just decided to spread a rumor 
that rolls had sassafras in them...
              Hate to rain on parades..
                      Love to all (0_0) Dan Sharp


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>>only point.  If you were to eliminate all "drugs" that originate from 
>>a plant, that would only leave a few designer/synthetic drugs like 
MDMA 
>
>Actually, MDMA can be synthesized from sassafras.
>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 05 21:01:19 1999
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Amy Ricketts <shmicketts@yahoo.com>:

>I was FINALLY able to catch a "Therapy" session online tonight.
>
>How cool that I can sit here and type this email and simultaneously
>listen to Mike Geiger spin live, clear across the country!  Technology
>rocks!
>
>But anyway, I am ever-impressed with Mike's continuously growing
>skills and notoriety.  [...]  His skills are STILL growing
>and his style expanding to encompass so many different genres of
>electronic dance music.

Not to take anything away from Geiger's talent and consistently
solid performances, but Detroit's own Bileebob made a guest
appearance last night that not many people may be aware of.

Bileebob brought his cassette deck down to the club and hooked it
into the mix; providing listeners with a taste of some of his own
unreleased material to add to his night's selection of records. 
Mike opened for an hour, followed by Billebob for another, after
which Geiger closed for the remaining two.

Circumstances prevented Bileebob's name from being included with the
post to the mailing list; he was however credited in the RealAudio
stream.

Glad you enjoyed what you heard.  :)



- Craig

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In a message dated 2/5/99 1:56:40 AM Central Standard Time, MustMeetSP@aol.com
writes:

<< but i'm slowly weening myself off of them =)
  >>

Holy crap Nadine...  Do you have any idea how many times I havent been able to
spot you, and then all of a sudden I see a bunch bubbles float up and over the
crowd, and I say to myself:  "There she is!!!!" 
 Please no weening!
Jen

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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, handle paris wrote:

> ACtually, MDMA doesnt come from sassafras.. It comes from a leg of the 

I guarauntee you that I could use "sassafras" in the synthesis of MDMA if
I was resourceful enough.

And I dont even know what the hell sassafras is.  Just that I have heard
southerners say it before.

bored...
Adam


> chem. design called safrole... Someone just decided to spread a rumor 
> that rolls had sassafras in them...

what an odd rumor to start. 



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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Jens Meulengracht wrote:

> why must you ppl argue about the stupidest shit???  TAKE DRUGS OR DONT
> TAKE THEM. simple. no need to elaborate. so please, shut the fuck up
> about it.
> 
> - Jens 
> 
> anyone have a good cure for a hangover? =)
> 

Smoke a blunt.

Adam


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i'll bring the hammies!

jon/dica

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> >Man Bites Dog (french)
>  
>  werd, this movie is wicked.

i second that.  go see it.

jd

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 Midwest => soda, North => pop, south =>coke

Mage
erjones@memphis.edu

> << Isn't that soda? Just kidding, that can actually be our password to make
>  sure no non-Midwesterners try to get in. You fucking hicks all say pop.
>   >>
>
> Actually I say soda...
> Been in Minnesota my whole life :)
>
> Jen




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>From: "Luke Monteiro" <xtra@hempseed.com>

>I was born in Brazil and I have always pictured the possibility of 
>blending Brazilian rhythms like samba and bossa nova with 
>elements of techno music

Atom Heart and others that have collaborated with him have already done
that.  Check out his work on the Rather Interesting label.  Lisa Carbon has
done some of the wackiest self-described 'post techno swing' I've ever
heard; fun music.

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>Or would it be labeled electro or jungle or ambient (all of
>which owe some of their existence to techno) 

big 'nay' there on that one.  ambience, as a genre and classification term,
has been around far longer than the sound now described as techno.  back in
88-91, techno was a term that described just about all of 'electronic
dance', be it what is now (and even then) called rave (a dead term for
musical style).  Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, Robert Fripp, Steve Roach were
all doing 'ambient' before boom-boom-boom dominated dance floors the world
over and rendered ambient a sub-genre of dance.  chill out existed before
the necessity of chilling out at parties...

i think it's quite the other way around: maybe techno owes it's existence
somewhat to what used to be called 'ambient.'  definitely pushed the
boundaries before I was born ('73), much less heard of techno.

p.s.  I love techno more than anything...I consider myself a high priest of
the Church of Lekebusch at which we chant the mantras established by patron
saints GTO, Lieb, and Beltram.

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In a message dated 2/5/99 8:20:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, jes@pubnix.org
writes:

<< i never actually understood this phrase (vegan power) until i had been
 vegan for at least a year. (not to sound self-righteous or anything ;) >>

damn ... i couldnt live wqithout meat for a year ... thats way too damn crazy
alex
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I'd just like to say:

what happened to appreciating music just because it sounded good!???

if anyone wants to start claiming or verifying somehow that the type of
music that they 'like' is better than some other genre, then they've
immediately lost what music should be all about.

what I learned when I discovered techno was that ANYTHING GOES.  I
personally enjoy listening to half hour blasts of feedback (J. Plotkin, M.
Harris, etc). is that techno, ambient, ambient techno, ill-bient,
whatever???  I neither require nor attempt to keep up with the
hypersplintering genre-fications of every new sound developed in the U.K.
or Europe.  I just enjoy it... and if I don't happen to enjoy it, that
doesn't mean that it sucks.  it just means that I don't like it.  stop
trying to over analyze what deserves more credit than what.  listen to what
you like and keep your mouth shut concerning other people's taste...

so there.
uh huh.

peace.



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If you were to eliminate all "drugs" that originate from a
>plant, that would only leave a few designer/synthetic drugs like MDMA and


wrong, calamus root contains chemicals that are similar in nature
(plus effect)...

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>
>are you guys gonna do an all day thingy, like have tables and shit out 
at a
>park somewhere would be cool and just lounge around and then go to da
>"party" i dunno what the weather will be like but, being outdoors would 
be
>nice for something like this since ppl are bringing food and all that..
>
>=)'sc
>curtis
>


Have a bar-be-que at he park!!!!  Tht kicks ass!!!!  And for you vegans, 
we can rustle you up some grub!!!

Crystal

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I make a kick ass quiche!!!!  And I don't even like eggs!!!

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according to high times , weed can be consume as a salad .. aint salads
food?..yep... .. thats what i thought .... and it also taste good .... try it
and then complain....
alex 
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whos goin to go see miss biobooster in indiana tonight?
just askin .....
reply privately
ale x
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>first of all i want to say that i think techno inherently contains the
>seeds of universality, through its repetition and its ability to express a
>musical balance between human creativity and technology

I think you very eligantly stated your case, and I agree with 90% of
it.. except for..

>having said that, i have a problem with swedish techno and a lot of
>european techno in general, because it has taken most of its structures
>from detroit techno and hollowed them out, leaving them empty.

and

>what made detroit
>techno so special was the way in which it reflected a unique cultural
>situation ("the post-industrial condition") and coded it within a musical
>form that both reflected its own struggle with that situation,

It seems you have a vast knowledge of the history underlining
the birth of detroit techno, but I am curious if this knowledge
extends to the birth of the swedish scene as well?
One could say that detroit techno was just as hollow and empty
if they were ignorant of what you spoke.. To give praise
to one based off of historical significance is only valid if
both histories are understood.. I will be the first to amit I know
next to nothing about what motivates the Swede's.. but this is
not to say nothing exists to provide that...
The race card couldn't work either, because economic hardships
, and class divisions between similar people can be just as
negative as such...


>while also
>reaching for a universal appeal.  even more important, detroit techno
>found an incredibly rich musical area that perfectly balanced the coldness
>of technolgy (repetition, synthetic sounds) with the human warmth of funk
>(syncopation, creation of a "groove"), and made that fusion both audible
>and danceable.


Funny, to me, this is what popular (hard, dark beyer inspired techno)
is all about.. It is just an exaggeration of those two elements
(much more repetitive, hence more sterile and much more syncopated
.. almost to the point of undancability if the repetition wasn't
present.. the Surgeon exemplifies this even more)..

Another thing to remember about history, in general, is the fact those
credited are not always the first to do their particular
thing..  A perfect example of this was Columbus, who was
definitely not the first to encounter this "new word", or
the pilgrims, which were definitely not the model for anything
uniquely amerikkkan aside from their sickeningly moral character
(which made them the prime archetype for the birth of america..
the Plymouth compact was less of an influence on our founding
fathers than the League of five Nations among the Iroquois..
but which makes the textbooks?).
 who is to say tekkno of the 4x4 variety wasn't being done upon similar
lines elsewhere in the world  prior to the formation
of cybotron? He popularized it, but speaking as a virtually unknown
bedroom bovine myself, I have to wonder about this?
The gear existed... many people are quite content making music,
and not attempting to generate a new market .... (thank the
goddess that he did, though)...

>on the other hand the europeans, despite a long history of loving
>different kinds of black/funky music, are not as well equipped to decode
>the cultural knowledge embedded within detroit's music

Nor are you to decode theirs.. interesting catch, eh? Lets also
not forget that the word "European"  doesn't denote any form
of racial identity.. many nonwhite ethnic cultures are represented
in europe...


btw- This is not intended to be a flame ;)...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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Hi all,
  I like vegetables and all, but if animals werent made of meat, then i 
wouldnt eat them..( a bit of humor)
                                       Love to all
                                            Dan Sharp (0_0)


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>In a message dated 2/5/99 8:20:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
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>
><< i never actually understood this phrase (vegan power) until i had 
been
> vegan for at least a year. (not to sound self-righteous or anything ;) 
>>
>
>damn ... i couldnt live wqithout meat for a year ... thats way too damn 
crazy
>alex
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Cosmo wrote:

> Hey,
>         Argue Semantics all you want, the shit still fucks your head and body up.
> Using the argument that god put everything on earth for us to use is
> complete bullshit, why are there poisonous weeds, plants, etc that the body
> has no use for, but will cause death or illness.  Fungus can infect your
> lungs, cerain mushrooms make you ill, the list goes on and on.
>         It would be nice if all this bullshit could get sat to wayside.  You like
> drugs?  Fine.  Why do you feel you have to try to persuade everyone to
> think that it's great.  I don't care if any of you use or not, but I don't
> care your reasons, just do it and don't waste my time, and everyone else's
> time with your rationalizations.  Thanks.

well i could use the same rationalization you are using and say don't waste my with
your bullshit about wasting your time...just push your delete button if you don't
like something...no one asked you to read it...i don't care if you don't care about
my reasons...and speak for yourself not everyone else, evidently if someone replied i
wasn't wasting their time and they weren't wasting someone else's, just yours...where
the fuk do you get off speaking for everyone on the list???????
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Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

> >You like
> >drugs?  Fine.  Why do you feel you have to try to persuade everyone to
> >think that it's great.  I don't care if any of you use or not, but I don't
> >care your reasons, just do it and don't waste my time, and everyone else's
> >time with your rationalizations.  Thanks.
>
> i think the reason people persuade others that drugs are ok... is attributed
> to the misery loves company philosophy... ala drug buddies.
>

that is so much shit...man if someone doesn't wanna smoke my pot with me
fine...MORE FOR ME...do you share candy with someone at a party???  what is that
trying to bring them down into the fukked up world of tooth decay, not is called
sharing...i don't try to persuade, i offer
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For all you out there talking about doing drugs, what your favorite 
drugs are, what's harmful and what's not, etc., etc., etc..... refer 
back to the post called "How Sexy Are Your Drugs" and get a fuckin 
clue!!!

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   Fuck you Doris for trying to push your views on me.  Just because 
you're a stuck up Ann Arbor elitist bEatch doesn't mean I can't eat 
whatever the fuck I want to!  Sorry but I'm just sick of vegetarians and 
all their bullshit.

   Kevin
  

>Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:22:55 -0500 (EST)
>From: doris <dpayer@umich.edu>
>To: ravelings <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: [mw] mw-party...food....
>
>hey, quick question...
>would it be possible for all the food at the party to be vegetarian 
(with 
>some vegan options for the SUPER-FREAKS, of course)?
>cause, yanno, the carnivorous/omnivorous types can tolerate a weekend 
of
>vegetarian food, but not the other way around.
>just a thought....
>**doris**
>
>dammit why do things stop being rave related when i make a comment?!?! 
:/
>
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>evidently if someone replied i
>wasn't wasting their time

You were not wasting my time...

o0o[qiB.]o0o






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-----Original Message-----
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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:37 PM
Subject: [mw] quit bickering about music


>I'd just like to say:
>
>what happened to appreciating music just because it sounded good!???


Shut the fuck up, and butt out ;)... No offense to you mate, if
this is possible at the juncture we are now at, but the point of this
forum is discussion.. we are not fighting with each other, just
exchanging ideas... Through this exchange, we come  to a better
understanding of ourselves,, the models we utilize to construct
reality, and how this fits into the overall big picture (i.e.
we get reminded that our "menu is not the meal").. I've
learned allot about different ways of looking at a situation through
discussion like this, so go play nicely some place else...
The last thing I need to see is some more overly generalized
happy paap from people like yourself... Note: this isn't
geared solely towards yourself, or I would have sent
it privately.. this is aimed at people with this mentality..

Through war comes innovation.. both in a physical and mental
sense.. it provokes it, makes it a necessity.. Peace is much nicer,
granted, but hit delete if you don't wanna view it.. obviously some
of us do..

tata,

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-----------------
Original Text from "Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani"<freebass@uswest.net>

>Cosmo wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>         Argue Semantics all you want, the shit still fucks your head and body 
up.
>> Using the argument that god put everything on earth for us to use is
>> complete bullshit, why are there poisonous weeds, plants, etc that the body
>> has no use for, but will cause death or illness.  Fungus can infect your
>> lungs, cerain mushrooms make you ill, the list goes on and on.
>>         It would be nice if all this bullshit could get sat to wayside.  You like
>> drugs?  Fine.  Why do you feel you have to try to persuade everyone to
>> think that it's great.  I don't care if any of you use or not, but I don't
>> care your reasons, just do it and don't waste my time, and everyone else's
>> time with your rationalizations.  Thanks.
>
>well i could use the same rationalization you are using and say don't waste my 
with
>your bullshit about wasting your time...just push your delete button if you don't
>like something...no one asked you to read it...i don't care if you don't care about
>my reasons...and speak for yourself not everyone else, evidently if someone 
replied i
>wasn't wasting their time and they weren't wasting someone else's, just 
yours...where
>the fuk do you get off speaking for everyone on the list???????
wow someone needs to chill...
by the way he's speaking for me too =)
take care now! byebye then!




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>ACtually, MDMA doesnt come from sassafras.. It comes from a leg of the
>chem. design called safrole... Someone just decided to spread a rumor
>that rolls had sassafras in them...


Because safrole oil can be extracted from the plant and then
used as one of the key active ingredients for MDMA...

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Have you tried Temple records?
<A HREF="http://www.temple-records.com/temple_records/first_page.htm">Temple
Records NYC</A>
I'm not sure they have what you require but they do deal with rather more
ecclectic tastes.

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can't you make tea and rootbeer from sassafrass?  Damn, you can make MDMA
from it!  The Boy Scouts screwed me out of some very useful knowledge.
-ill e clair
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>
>On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:03:28 -0500 "WillEBear" <willebear@mindspring.com>
>writes:
>
>
>>only point.  If you were to eliminate all "drugs" that originate from
>>a plant, that would only leave a few designer/synthetic drugs like MDMA
>
>Actually, MDMA can be synthesized from sassafras.
>
> Joe
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drugs.. drugs.. drugs.. drugs...  ahHhHh.. sickening, isn't it?

My main problem with this bloody discussion is the simple fact that
both sides are equally correct, within a certain context.
To say all drugs are bad is fool hearty, as we know most
over generalizations stem from flawed logic and/or misinformation
... Drugs are not good or bad, they exists in a state beyond these
subjective labels we like to place upon them.. Quantification
isn't negative, but when our models for reality become truth
(objectified instead of the more "realistic" subjective viewpoint)
we fall into this trap of flame warring and [ect]...

Many native cultures have used psychotropic chemicals (i.e. plants)
in rituals for centuries before our culture put the stamp of
immorality upon them.. Why is this? because western society doesn't
have a clue? I would doubt that, it is because they understand that
(for better or worse) the mentalities that pervade this culture do
not understand how to adequately utilize these substances.
Use leads to abuse 90% of the time when the central characters
in the play are americans, or europeans... This percentage is
of my own design, I understand this, but I find it to be
an accurate *model* for what we experience..

But does this mean EVERYBODY is stupid for using them?no..
it does not.. some americans (like myself so far) have used
psychedelics (ect) in a ritualistic context, and integrated these
visions into what we do on a day to day bases.. What has "drug" use
taught me? Nothing more than what I am saying to you now..
The map is not the territory, the menu is not the meal.. reality
is quite subjective.. and is far from being singular.. I've learned
more personal things about myself as well, but these lessons have
served their purpose and I have moved beyond this stage for the
time being.. They are not needed to open the doors of perception,
but can act as an aid (a dangerous one if a person is not trained
correctly, or completely ignorant to what they are going to
experience).

The dangers are great, and I shall not waste your time listing
as many as i can think of.. we are all experienced with the negative
sides.. but should we assume this is the unquestionable outcome
of experimentation? Even somebody ignorant of the teaching of
native cultures, psychology or philosophy could come out of these
experiences with a better understanding of themselves..
But sadly, most westerners don't... So I see your points on this
matter.. most ravers get fucked up by drugs.. but lets not over
generalize this as well.. Most kids I know get fucked up on
K, meth, crack, H, cocaine.. items of this caliber.. These are not
"drugs".. these are K, meth, crack, H, and cocaine.. be specific
before you attack... I know kids who did psychedelics and
lost it... or were confronted with something deeper than they
intended to experience (i.e. bad trip, doodz).. but this has more
to do with a psychological interaction with the chemical than
a defacto by product of a physiological / chemical connection...

The point of all this... Nothing much.. don't limit yourself to
only understanding one side of the fence....

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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excuse me.  i don't seem to be able to recall asking for your opinion.
maybe if i wasn't leaving for toronto in 20 minutes i'd give you the time
of day to respond to that.....oh wait, no i wouldn't.

just because you're an inconsiderate bastard and your mother never taught
you how to respect others doesn't mean i can't voice a simple concern.
are all meat-eaters this simple-minded?  does talking out of one's ass
come with eating meat?

you can eat whatever you want for all i care.
here's a suggestion:
EAT ME!

**doris**

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Kevin Robbins wrote:

> 
>    Fuck you Doris for trying to push your views on me.  Just because 
> you're a stuck up Ann Arbor elitist bEatch doesn't mean I can't eat 
> whatever the fuck I want to!  Sorry but I'm just sick of vegetarians and 
> all their bullshit.
> 
>    Kevin
>   
> 
> >Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:22:55 -0500 (EST)
> >From: doris <dpayer@umich.edu>
> >To: ravelings <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >Subject: [mw] mw-party...food....
> >
> >hey, quick question...
> >would it be possible for all the food at the party to be vegetarian 
> (with 
> >some vegan options for the SUPER-FREAKS, of course)?
> >cause, yanno, the carnivorous/omnivorous types can tolerate a weekend 
> of
> >vegetarian food, but not the other way around.
> >just a thought....
> >**doris**
> >
> >dammit why do things stop being rave related when i make a comment?!?! 
> :/
> >
> >
> 
> 
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>big 'nay' there on that one.  ambience, as a genre and classification term,
>has been around far longer than the sound now described as techno.

Of course, synths specializing in percussive drum tones
haven't existed as long as the non specialized variety of synths...

Everything considered classically electronic prior to 1980
(http://206.214.86.9/pages/chronicle_flame.html ) was ambient
in nature.. drum pattern creation through tape loop manipulation
is a very hard thing to pull off... (referance to the original form
of electronic music)..


>i think it's quite the other way around: maybe techno owes it's existence
>somewhat to what used to be called 'ambient.'  definitely pushed the
>boundaries before I was born ('73), much less heard of techno.


I'd agree with that.. but eno wasn't the originator of anything
(aside from star fucking john cage ;),
the roots can be traced back much further...

>p.s.  I love techno more than anything...I consider myself a high priest of
>the Church of Lekebusch at which we chant the mantras established by patron
>saints GTO, Lieb, and Beltram.

he is doing a live pa in toronto june 19th btw.. (lekebusch I mean)..
Maybe we can meet up their and you can promptly give me a sound
ass kicking due to that  last message I sent ya ;)...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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beautiful, baby, I love it.
For those interested in learning more about vegetarianism, watch the
Simpson's episode where Lisa is haunted by visions of her baby lamb friend
"baaahing"-'please don't eat me Lisa".  Troy Mclure's film (you may
recognize him from other educational films as "ravers-why without their
blessed techno music, their rants and opinions can give you a headache" and
"pedophiles-the wave of the future") entitled "Why if you don't eat meat,
you're a Grade 'A' Moron".  Very funny.
ill c pear
"When I grow up, I wanna graduate from Bovine University!"
-Ralph the stupid kid
-----Original Message-----
From: doris <dpayer@umich.edu>
To: Kevin Robbins <krobbins77@hotmail.com>
Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 6:07 PM
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>excuse me.  i don't seem to be able to recall asking for your opinion.
>maybe if i wasn't leaving for toronto in 20 minutes i'd give you the time
>of day to respond to that.....oh wait, no i wouldn't.
>
>just because you're an inconsiderate bastard and your mother never taught
>you how to respect others doesn't mean i can't voice a simple concern.
>are all meat-eaters this simple-minded?  does talking out of one's ass
>come with eating meat?
>
>you can eat whatever you want for all i care.
>here's a suggestion:
>EAT ME!
>
>**doris**
>
>On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Kevin Robbins wrote:
>
>>
>>    Fuck you Doris for trying to push your views on me.  Just because
>> you're a stuck up Ann Arbor elitist bEatch doesn't mean I can't eat
>> whatever the fuck I want to!  Sorry but I'm just sick of vegetarians and
>> all their bullshit.
>>
>>    Kevin
>>
>>
>> >Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:22:55 -0500 (EST)
>> >From: doris <dpayer@umich.edu>
>> >To: ravelings <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>> >Subject: [mw] mw-party...food....
>> >
>> >hey, quick question...
>> >would it be possible for all the food at the party to be vegetarian
>> (with
>> >some vegan options for the SUPER-FREAKS, of course)?
>> >cause, yanno, the carnivorous/omnivorous types can tolerate a weekend
>> of
>> >vegetarian food, but not the other way around.
>> >just a thought....
>> >**doris**
>> >
>> >dammit why do things stop being rave related when i make a comment?!?!
>> :/
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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Good points, but take a deep breath, I'm fairly sure we were all just 
sorta playing with you, not enacting an inquisition or something.

But yeah, I've never heard that bible point before, that's fairly solid

Ethan
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>
>how in the fuck are you going to compare cocaine and lsd to marijuana 
granted
>they are semi-organic but treated with checmicals and certain molecular
>structures arre isolated...you do some research...mushrooms no they are 
not a
>drug they are a spore..peyote and naturally occuring mescaline are not 
drugs but
>rather a plant and a moleculard structure from a plant...if it is founf
>naturally occuring in nature and not tampered with my man it is not a 
drug in my
>opinion....you ever heard of anyone OD-ing on coca leaves, marijuana, 
mushrooms,
>or peyote...show me one case of an overdose with these and i will shut 
the fuk
>up and i do mean documented proof not something you heard in another 
stall while
>taking a shit at the local mall...naturally occuring substances were 
put on this
>earth for man to use and naturally occuring substances have bui;lt in 
safety
>devices so as not to overtake and OD:
>
>the worlds holiest book states, and i've taken the liberty of quoting 
Genesis
>1:29 "Then God said "Behold I have given you every plant yeilding seed 
that is
>on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit 
yeilding seed;
>it shall be food for you."
>
>so yes in my opinion marijuana is a type of food and shoould be all 
that believe
>in Christianity, Judism, and Islam, all of which consider this book of 
the
>Bible, Koran, & Torah to be holy,
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In a message dated 99-02-05 17:05:24 EST, krobbins77@hotmail.com writes:

<< 
    Fuck you Doris for trying to push your views on me.  Just because 
 you're a stuck up Ann Arbor elitist bEatch doesn't mean I can't eat 
 whatever the fuck I want to!  Sorry but I'm just sick of vegetarians and 
 all their bullshit.
 
    Kevin >>

I seriously hope this is a joke... I think it is a highly unecessary post to 
send to this list.  There are many other ways of letting Doris know that
you don't think the whole party should be vegetarian, many other ways
than calling her a elitist bitch.  Keep that shit off the list alright?  

*Waiting for someone to tell me it was a joke*

       ~Darian~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Work like you don't need the money, 
Love like you've never been hurt, 
And dance like no one's watching  :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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geez guys, must be about midterm time, eh?

	timeless,
		pt


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doris wrote:

> you can eat whatever you want for all i care.
> here's a suggestion:
> EAT ME!

oh shit doris can i get some too baby...hehehe...jus jokin
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>but I'm just sick of vegetarians and all their bullshit.

now wait just a minute!!!!! vegetarians don't eat meat so their shit has no
bull in it right? so all this "bullshit" is all in yer head dood, settle
down kiddo. =)

Yeah well, thank you Kevin for those enlightening words.  I would like to
take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of all of us "meat-eaters" out
there.  We have never had that opinion or sentiment towards "nonmeat-eaters"
and that Kevin was indeed acting alone and that his comments will be brought
up before the ABOME (american board of meat eaters) and we will take into
serious consideration banishing Kevin from our kind, because we know that
unity is the only way that people of eatingdom will ever progress to a new
better life for all.

Kevin if you were actually serious and you were talking like that to Doris
I'll personally beat your ass j/k and if I fail then I'll give Big Mike my
milk money j/k and he'll whoop yer ass j/k =) j/k  hehe oh that's not funny
is it, yeah you're right ok i'm stooping again, oh well its all in good fun
right? =) j/k

Actually I was looking forward to trying some of the vegetarian alternatives
as I have never been exposed to that stuff before.  I've had veggie burgers
but that's about it and I kinda liked em and oh well I am looking forward to
the stuff if I can attend.

Ok everybody have a fun and safe weekend.

=)'s
curtis "i am not to be held responsible for anybody taking me seriously even
if i was" =)


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Does anyone know if crickets are considered a red meat? Or any insect
for that matter. If they are not in fact a red meat, i won't be able to
eat them.

- Jens 

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>   Fuck you Doris for trying to push your views on me.  Just because 
>you're a stuck up Ann Arbor elitist bEatch doesn't mean I can't eat 
>whatever the fuck I want to!  Sorry but I'm just sick of vegetarians 
>and 
>all their bullshit.
>

NO FUCKIN' CALL FER THAT AT ALL!!!!!

KEVIN....CHILL.

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Fuck mind altering.....

Unless induced by too much sex......

"Do what ya want, just don't get any on my or I'll kick yer ass!!!!"

My quote.

Drug's are stupid...why do they call it DOPE?

"If I wanna get fucked up, I just go and run into a fuckin' brick
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SAME EFFECT"

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ya man bites dog is pretty fuckin kool
NNOthing

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i reccomend cabin boy.  also canadian bacon.

any other good movies that begin with C?

chris

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Trunk writes:

> >   Fuck you Doris for trying to push your views on me.  Just because 
>  >you're a stuck up Ann Arbor elitist bEatch doesn't mean I can't eat 
>  >whatever the fuck I want to!  Sorry but I'm just sick of vegetarians 
>  >and 
>  >all their bullshit.
>  >
>  
>  NO FUCKIN' CALL FER THAT AT ALL!!!!!
>  
>  KEVIN....CHILL.
>  

none whut so ever

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In a message dated 2/5/99 1:57:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
freebass@uswest.net writes:

<< Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:
 
 > >You like
 > >drugs?  Fine.  Why do you feel you have to try to persuade everyone to
 > >think that it's great.  I don't care if any of you use or not, but I don't
 > >care your reasons, just do it and don't waste my time, and everyone else's
 > >time with your rationalizations.  Thanks.
 
keep in mind i only said this quote:

 > i think the reason people persuade others that drugs are ok... is
attributed
 > to the misery loves company philosophy... ala drug buddies.
 >
 
 that is so much shit...man if someone doesn't wanna smoke my pot with me
 fine...MORE FOR ME...do you share candy with someone at a party???  what is
that
 trying to bring them down into the fukked up world of tooth decay, not is
called
 sharing...i don't try to persuade, i offer >>

you share a beer with someone... they could have a liver disorder.  you share
a smoke... cancer... you share weed... any number of things... man i remember
i let someone hit some the white widow i bought... and then for the three
hours i was babysitting them while they snapped their fingers in the air with
a hand over their mouth...

its all karma... you wanna do it to yourself cool... i don't care... 

i had some cats in my local blockbuster the other day ask where i could get
acid... and i know damn well where along with every other drug on the freaking
rack... and yeah, they are asking... i play dumb, though... i don't like the
karmic possibilities...
ask yourself the question... do you want your kids smoking pot someday... and
maybe being that cat who couldn't handle it due to a genetic luck of the
draw...

i've heard all the pro marijuanna speeches for close to 10 years... and really
all marijuanna got me and my friends to was a confused fucking place... i was
intelligent before i did drugs... 

its like when we used to fuck with the hexes in bard's tale III to get
superhuman characters with weird attributes... at the end of the day... the
fucking character had a strength of 24... but had an intelligence of 2... and
thats ok when you got a party of people deficient and efficient working
together... but when you on your own... walking thru the dungeon we call
life... facts exist.

trying to enter this philosophical eden of mind expansion at the end of the
day... don't put food on your fucking plate, nurture your family... or help ya
survive.

complicates cells... destroys cells... mutates cells.

if we've had over 2000 years for drugs to save and change the world
and it ain't changed by now.

it ain't gwan change.

entro

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KUDOS   :)                     Love to all... Dan Sharp (0_o)


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>In a message dated 2/5/99 1:57:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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>
><< Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > >You like
> > >drugs?  Fine.  Why do you feel you have to try to persuade everyone 
to
> > >think that it's great.  I don't care if any of you use or not, but 
I don't
> > >care your reasons, just do it and don't waste my time, and everyone 
else's
> > >time with your rationalizations.  Thanks.
> 
>keep in mind i only said this quote:
>
> > i think the reason people persuade others that drugs are ok... is
>attributed
> > to the misery loves company philosophy... ala drug buddies.
> >
> 
> that is so much shit...man if someone doesn't wanna smoke my pot with 
me
> fine...MORE FOR ME...do you share candy with someone at a party???  
what is
>that
> trying to bring them down into the fukked up world of tooth decay, not 
is
>called
> sharing...i don't try to persuade, i offer >>
>
>you share a beer with someone... they could have a liver disorder.  you 
share
>a smoke... cancer... you share weed... any number of things... man i 
remember
>i let someone hit some the white widow i bought... and then for the 
three
>hours i was babysitting them while they snapped their fingers in the 
air with
>a hand over their mouth...
>
>its all karma... you wanna do it to yourself cool... i don't care... 
>
>i had some cats in my local blockbuster the other day ask where i could 
get
>acid... and i know damn well where along with every other drug on the 
freaking
>rack... and yeah, they are asking... i play dumb, though... i don't 
like the
>karmic possibilities...
>ask yourself the question... do you want your kids smoking pot 
someday... and
>maybe being that cat who couldn't handle it due to a genetic luck of 
the
>draw...
>
>i've heard all the pro marijuanna speeches for close to 10 years... and 
really
>all marijuanna got me and my friends to was a confused fucking place... 
i was
>intelligent before i did drugs... 
>
>its like when we used to fuck with the hexes in bard's tale III to get
>superhuman characters with weird attributes... at the end of the day... 
the
>fucking character had a strength of 24... but had an intelligence of 
2... and
>thats ok when you got a party of people deficient and efficient working
>together... but when you on your own... walking thru the dungeon we 
call
>life... facts exist.
>
>trying to enter this philosophical eden of mind expansion at the end of 
the
>day... don't put food on your fucking plate, nurture your family... or 
help ya
>survive.
>
>complicates cells... destroys cells... mutates cells.
>
>if we've had over 2000 years for drugs to save and change the world
>and it ain't changed by now.
>
>it ain't gwan change.
>
>entro


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> ACtually, MDMA doesnt come from sassafras.. It comes from a leg of >
the chem. design called safrole... Someone just decided to spread a
> rumor that rolls had sassafras in them...

Actually, that's not entirely true, either... MDMA is a semi-synthetic
compound which is derived from isosafrole, not safrole.  Isosafrole
must be isolated from safrole.  Sassafras oil -> safrole -> isosafrole
= the non-synthetic precursor of MDMA.  As far as I know, this is the
only "natural" element of MDMA.  There are completely natural
substances which have empatheogenic properties very similar to that of
MDMA, though, such as the Kenyan blue lotus (Nymphaea Caerulea).
For info on the blue lotus, check out
http://www.erowid.org/herbs/bluelotus/bluelotus.shtml

l8ter m8,

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>i reccomend cabin boy.  also canadian bacon.
>
>any other good movies that begin with C?


Lets not forget Clockwork Orange =)..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>Fuck mind altering.....


Ok, who is he? (cheezie drum roll, please)

>Unless induced by too much sex......


Oh.. ya.. please baby baby baby please baby please!!! Still a drug though.
endorphines are opioids ...


>"Do what ya want, just don't get any on my or I'll kick yer ass!!!!"


not if I hit you intravenously ;)..

>My quote.
>
>Drug's are stupid...why do they call it DOPE?


Blacks are stupid... why do they call then NIGGERS?


>"If I wanna get fucked up, I just go and run into a fuckin' brick
>wall....
>SAME EFFECT"


Humm.. this kids had some real problems.. if you think this is what
psychotropic substances are like, then you need to read some more
books (if not try them.. come on, everybody's doing it ;)...


>Andrew Dice Clay


Wow.. .. that is a role model for ya...





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Oh yeah...it's 2nite (2/5)

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I'm not one to promote house but this hould be phat....

Halo and Terry Mullen
DJ Funk
Justin long
Others....
Chicago

630-415-3158

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crege@students.wisc.edu writes:

> i reccomend cabin boy.  also canadian bacon.
>  
>  any other good movies that begin with C?
>  
>  chris

1 flew over the Coo Coo'z nest

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well... interestingly enough... a friend of mine and i were speaking of
canadian bacon today...

...very entertaining movie...
... heres a few others...
1. flesh gordon
2. my pipes need cleaning
3. i'm gonna get you sucka!


... i am off... loathing i am not spinning the hullabaloo pre-party w/ matt
+...

...werk is more important... right... no!
eric"PATHETICON"spex

... feel to use me as the official mw-raves punching bag!... really...



FUCK IT ALL! hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahaha

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>not if I hit you intravenously ;)..

You've never met me...have you?

>Blacks are stupid... why do they call then NIGGERS?

Easy now....I know alot stupider WIGGERS!!!!!

>Humm.. this kids had some real problems.. if you think this is what
>psychotropic substances are like, then you need to read some more
>books (if not try them.. come on, everybody's doing it ;)...

I've been clean and sober fer 11yrs!!!!!
That is AFTER forgeting my name 3 times.....I've done some drugs.
I'm just saying it fucks ya up real good if ya keep it up abusively....
I have NO problem with "social drug use" (can someone explain that
to me....I'm an addict)

>>Andrew Dice Clay
>
>
>Wow.. .. that is a role model for ya...

He makes me laugh......I follow anything that makes me laugh....
and so should everybody......IMHO.


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Doug E Forrester wrote:

> My quote.
>
> Drug's are stupid...why do they call it DOPE?
>
> "If I wanna get fucked up, I just go and run into a fuckin' brick
> wall....
> SAME EFFECT"

the term was first coined as a slang name for heroin because the central
nervous system that is most affected by it are dopamine receptor sites...the
most addictive drugs also affect the dopamine sites such as cocaine,
methamphetamine (but not methylenedioxymethamphetamine or MDMA, which
affects serotonin receptor sites)...you can bet that if it has a high rate
of addiction the substance more than likely, lets say 95% of the time, it
affects the dopamine system...however drugs such as marijuana and lsd or
other hallucinogenics for example affect different receptor sites...in fact
marijuana (THC to be exact) bonds with receptor sites that no other
neurotransmitters affect or even any other molecular compounds, hence since
no other structures naturally or synthetic bond with these sites we can then
conclude theoretically that the human body was somehow set up to receive THC
and was meant to receive it also.  So don't go calling all drugs "dope" it
is a gross misuse of the word
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This is semi-rave related, I suppose.  
Check out the movie The DayTrippers.  It has nothing to do about parties,
raving, dancing nor even music, but they take a day trip, and seeing as how
many of you all travel far distances to get to a good party...
yeah...
bored...
But see the movie, okay?  It's excellent.  I love Parker Posey

Jen

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> i reccomend cabin boy.  also canadian bacon.
> any other good movies that begin with C?

Combat Shock
Cannibal Holocaust
Cannibal Ferox
City Of Lost Children


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=~(  


Forwarded by Jens Meulengracht <jens@idir.net>
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I got this from the SF raves list and just thought I should share the info
with everyone:



dj Doc Martin is in intensive care in an LA hospital.

his condition is fluctuating between serious to critical. his
prognosis is unknown. 

the initial info appears to show that he's unable to breathe and his
having liver/kidney failure.

the FAITH Family offers him our most sincere blessings and thoughts.
we are there to support him, his children and wife. 

as some of you may know, the club FAITH Valentine's Party this
upcoming thursday was a special event with him as our special host/dj.
Our party will still be happening, however the purpose and spirit of
the event is evolving. it is undecided as to who will be spinning in
his place; however, it will be a celebration of love, support and
faith. we will be preparing a large card for all to sign and give
wishes and thoughts.

he is a family member that is in a time of need. his FAITH Family is
walking every difficult step alongside him. we are supporting him and
sending our love.

sincerely,
all members of the FAITH Family



==
have a little
  **FAITH**
Mike Galetto
club FAITH
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Production

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Seems that situations like this can make us all realize that we're all
in the same boat, even with our little bickerings here and there. That,
as ravers, we're all really part of eachother, and we'd probly do
anything to help the next person out in a time of need.

- Jens



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OK folks... tommorrow night is the night.... here's your final info for
All About the Love

the party starts at 8PM cost is a mere 10 dollas...

here is the partial line-up that i am aware of....

11- Dank
omaha, U.F.O.
12- Scream
chicago, State of Mind
1- .com
omaha, International House of Boogie
2- Nitro
st. louis, Dialeighted
3- Dan Deliverance
delaware, Integrated Recordings
4- Pt. Size
kansas city, Ultra Omega
5- Starscream 
sioux city, Soundproof Coalition

i will be spinning my first (and maybe only) all-booty set tommorrow
nite.  during my set...  you will be priviledged to one of the legendary
c-ray-z stage productions.  his shows are NEVER to be missed.  i will not
reveal what the show will be now, but i will let you know that there is a
very good reason i am spinning an all-booty set.

ok.... the directions....

the venue is Cow Patty's in Council Bluffs IA
take I-80 east or west the Hiway 6/ Westfair exit
take a left off the exit
follow road to bottom of the hill
take a right at the stop light
follow signs to Cow Pattys... approximately 1 mile ahead on your left
 
see you all there...

-pm-

DJ .com

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oh... juss to let you know... as always if ANYONE is looking for a crash
space.. lemme know... we have MORE than enuff room for all....

peace and love...

-pm-

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"Carate Cid" is a good movie.

So is "Cannibilistic Vegetarian Bitches of Uncertain Origin."

That, by the way, is also a good description of me.  I plan on coming to
the net party and forcing everyone to eat the same way I do, so get
ready to dine on eachother's flesh and vegetables.  No flesh of animals,
though!!!  Cannibilism isn't as barbaric and third world as most people
assume it is...e-mail me for more info on how by making this post I am
automatically assimilating you into the already large population of
canibalistic vegetarians!!! You can't even resist it...isn't this fun?
=D

chris ege wrote:

> i reccomend cabin boy.  also canadian bacon.
>
> any other good movies that begin with C?
>
>

Always,
Erinaceous
;-}


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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 21:29:48 EST Sixtybus@aol.com writes:

>This is semi-rave related, I suppose.  
>Check out the movie The DayTrippers.  It has nothing to do about 
>parties, raving, dancing nor even music, but they take a day trip, and
seeing 
>as how many of you all travel far distances to get to a good party...
>yeah... bored...
>But see the movie, okay?  It's excellent.  I love Parker Posey
>
>Jen
>

I didn't care much for it.


I recommend the following:

Sci-fi / drama:

Until the End of the World
Gattacca
Blade Runner (director's cut)
Strange Days

Comedy:

The Kentucky Fried Movie
One Crazy Summer
Better Off Dead
Monty Python & The Holy Grail

Horror:

Hellraiser 
Hellraiser II
Evil Dead 2

Action:

The Professional
The Replacement Killers
any Chow Yun-Fat or Jackie Chan 

Weird:

U-Turn
Altered States
THX 1138
Crippled Masters

Anime:

The usuals such as Ghost in the Shell & Akria
Iria: Zeiram The Animation
Macross Plus
any of the "Overfiend" movies
Armitage III
If you like "cute" anime, Tenchi Myuo, Project A-Ko & Ranma 1/2

	Joe
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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, eSk8tOn wrote:

> >Or would it be labeled electro or jungle or ambient (all of
> >which owe some of their existence to techno) 
> 
> big 'nay' there on that one.  ambience, as a genre and classification term,
> has been around far longer than the sound now described as techno.  back in
> 88-91, techno was a term that described just about all of 'electronic
> dance', be it what is now (and even then) called rave (a dead term for
> musical style).  Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, Robert Fripp, Steve Roach were
> all doing 'ambient' before boom-boom-boom dominated dance floors the world
> over and rendered ambient a sub-genre of dance.  chill out existed before
> the necessity of chilling out at parties...
> 

Agreed I know that the accepted music of ambient came before the accepted
definition of techno.  Thats why I was particulairly careful in my
wording.  Notice I did not say they owe their "creation" or "origin" to
techno, merely "some of their existence."

What the hell does that mean?  Am I playing the wonderful semantics game
with you?  No, I am merely saying that if wasnt for the relative 
commercial success of 4/4 dance music, the genres of ambient and jungle
would be much different then they are now (hence their current state of
existence is substantially dependent on techno and its influence).  Hell
listen to the old ambient of Cage and Eno and of todays popular producers.
There is a noticable difference _on the whole_.      

God I am trying not to rely on genre names to define a sound but I am too
tired to think about this in depth tonight.  I have probably even 
contridicted myself in the course of my arguments.  Such is the path.

hope we're at least a bit closer to understanding each other now...
Adam


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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 dgroove@juno.com wrote:

> 
> 
> I recommend the following:
> 
> Sci-fi / drama:
> 
> Until the End of the World
> Gattacca
> Blade Runner (director's cut)
> Strange Days

Ok Im like the biggest sci-fi nut.  I have seen most every good domestic,
readily available film in the genre.  Its not as extensive as you might
think. ( I didnt like Strange Days much BTW)

If you are looking for a mind fucker, check out some of the Russian stuff
in the foreign film section of your movie store.  "Solaris" is quite a
strange one.  I warn you now that you will not understand it unless
watched multiple times.  Its interesting to see how a foreign culture
tackles subjects like sci-fi and what not....  This movie also has the
most unexpected scene EVER in the history of movies.  I would ruin it for
you but then you wouldnt watch all 3:30 hours of weirdness.  Theres
another one by the same director but the name eludes me...

Speaking of weirdness in the movies:

DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND LOST HIGHWAY???  CARE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME???

sleep time..adfdam





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sorry we must have left up some old powerhouse info somewhere on the net. we
had to cancel the event back in december due to "planet lovetron" so
instead...we hope to see everyone out for that tonight. we've been getting
slaughtered with email about it so we must apologize for any misleading info
that was left on the net. 

our next event however is saturday may 8th, meow mix 2. 

2 pre flyers are circulating for it now and the cute little diecuts are on
their way. the dj lineup will not be announced till march so all these flyers
you'll see popping up for it are just little reminders to mark your calendars
and start planning our trips! here's the flyer art circulating around now if
you're interested. http://www.angelfire.com/il/dj3d/meowmix.html

davey jones and his marching band
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  Doris is an elitist bEatch.   Straight up!!!

     Kevin

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>  Blacks are stupid... why do they call then NIGGERS?

are you being sarcastic... or just really ignorant?






wondering if offence should be taken,
~n

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   Do you seriously find my words enlightening?  What was it "bull" or 
"shit" that you found incredibly insightful?

   QDogg



>Reply-To: "Curtis Tiffany" <curti@umr.edu>
>From: "Curtis Tiffany" <curti@umr.edu>
>To: "doris" <dpayer@umich.edu>
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>Subject: Re: [mw] mw-party...food....
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:58:09 -0600
>
>>but I'm just sick of vegetarians and all their bullshit.
>
>now wait just a minute!!!!! vegetarians don't eat meat so their shit 
has no
>bull in it right? so all this "bullshit" is all in yer head dood, 
settle
>down kiddo. =)
>
>Yeah well, thank you Kevin for those enlightening words.  I would like 
to
>take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of all of us "meat-eaters" 
out
>there.  We have never had that opinion or sentiment towards 
"nonmeat-eaters"
>and that Kevin was indeed acting alone and that his comments will be 
brought
>up before the ABOME (american board of meat eaters) and we will take 
into
>serious consideration banishing Kevin from our kind, because we know 
that
>unity is the only way that people of eatingdom will ever progress to a 
new
>better life for all.
>
>Kevin if you were actually serious and you were talking like that to 
Doris
>I'll personally beat your ass j/k and if I fail then I'll give Big Mike 
my
>milk money j/k and he'll whoop yer ass j/k =) j/k  hehe oh that's not 
funny
>is it, yeah you're right ok i'm stooping again, oh well its all in good 
fun
>right? =) j/k
>
>Actually I was looking forward to trying some of the vegetarian 
alternatives
>as I have never been exposed to that stuff before.  I've had veggie 
burgers
>but that's about it and I kinda liked em and oh well I am looking 
forward to
>the stuff if I can attend.
>
>Ok everybody have a fun and safe weekend.
>
>=)'s
>curtis "i am not to be held responsible for anybody taking me seriously 
even
>if i was" =)
>
>



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In a message dated 2/5/99 3:40:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, eluna@coil.com
writes:

> first of all i want to say that i think techno inherently contains the
>  seeds of universality, through its repetition and its ability to express a
>  musical balance between human creativity and technology.  so anyone who
>  wants to say that techno from one place is better than techno from another
>  place, has a provincial and (in my mind) outdated view of how music works
>  and how musical forms translate from culture to culture and place to
>  place.

but as you later state, you like detroit techno more than swedish?
  
>  having said that, i have a problem with swedish techno and a lot of
>  european techno in general, because it has taken most of its structures
>  from detroit techno and hollowed them out, leaving them empty.  it's a
>  gross generalization, i know, and i'm aware of the complexity of the issue
>  (detroit took much of its own inspiration from european forms, for
>  example), so i'm not trying to be hard-headed here. 

i wouldn't say hollow, i would say different... overall, detroit is more
funky, swedish is more pumping... both make you move, you just move different
  
>  but i think a great deal of european techno (with lots of exceptions) only
>  has a superficial understanding of what made detroit techno so important
>  and unique, especially in its heyday from 1987-1992.  what made detroit
>  techno so special was the way in which it reflected a unique cultural
>  situation ("the post-industrial condition") and coded it within a musical
>  form that both reflected its own struggle with that situation, while also
>  reaching for a universal appeal.  even more important, detroit techno
>  found an incredibly rich musical area that perfectly balanced the coldness
>  of technolgy (repetition, synthetic sounds) with the human warmth of funk
>  (syncopation, creation of a "groove"), and made that fusion both audible
>  and danceable.

yup, detroit has a unique cultural situation... i don't think i have been
anywhere that doesn't... but the detroit of now is not the detroit
yesteryear... and if you get down to it, you can hear it... but... both areas
produce music that filled a need... if you didn't know, Sweden (and the other
scandinavian countries) lead the world in suicides... mainly being from lack
of sunlight and long winter monthes... i have a few friends in Sweden, and i
used to reside in Norway, so i can relate to it... can you image what it is
like going thru several monthes where you get no sunlight? or at most just a
reddening of the sky like a twilight? Scandinavians suffer from CWDS...
chronic winter depression syndrome, and with almost everything they do, you
can see how they combat this, their style of interior design, architechture,
and music...

>  on the other hand the europeans, despite a long history of loving
>  different kinds of black/funky music, are not as well equipped to decode
>  the cultural knowledge embedded within detroit's music (its urgency, its
>  irony, its sadness, its _blackness_).  so many european artists (as in the
>  case of the swedes) take only those aspect of detroit techno that are
>  useful to them, and the result is a new mutation.  but to my ears it is a
>  mutation that is less rich, less powerful, and less important because it
>  leans too far towards the mechanical side of things, or only artificially
>  mimics funk.  

didn't you say earlier that detroit took its inspirations from european works?
(scroll up, you did) maybe it was detroit who mutated it, and watered it down?
also, does music have to be funky? no... or maybe, the sense of funk is
different, does it really need a cheesie bass line to instill this? not
really... i will say this, it seems the swedes kinda picced up on an area that
detroit never really explored, and that would be the area of percussion...
good percussion in a track can instill emotions in you as can any synth
line... for example, i have a claude young tape, where he lays down a few
tracks in a row, that are very percussive... and add a lot to the feel of the
music... honestly, it sounds like detroit imitation of Sweden...  but as for
the funk well... depends on what you consider funky... whether it is detroit's
porn soundtracks with a 4/4 or the tribal fury of a swedish stomper

  
>  then again, i'm not expecting someone from sweden to make music that
>  sounds like it came from the gritty streets of detroit.  i expect a
>  swedish artist to make music that reflects their own situation.  but for
>  me, their situation is less interesting that what goes on in detroit every
>  day...

well, this is your opinion here, can't say i agree or disagree... but maybe,
you are romanticizing detroit? ... reminds me of art critics trying to explain
what the painting is trying to say... they didn't paint it? how would they
know? 
 
>  even as i type this, they're tearing down a beautiful area of street art
>  in detroit called the heidelberg project, created by tyree guyton out of
>  the debris from his own neglected neighborhood.  instead of valuing the
>  deep irony of making art out of trash, the detroit city government would
>  prefer to sweep this guy under the rug.  and this is the kind of
>  atmosphere many detroit artists (musical or otherwise) have grown up in. 

yeah, meanwhile the europeans cherish the work of their artist.... so, i guess
it goes both ways...  if our government never cared about these people who did
the art, and the techno, why would they now?
  
>  meanwhile, swedish artists can count on the goverment to support them by
>  subsidizing their projects, making sure they don't starve, and taking care
>  of them when they get sick (and so on). 

but is that a bad thing? wouldn'tit feel nice to know your country gave a shit
about you? or you like the fact that some people are unlucky and are homeless
and die and stuff that nature?... if that is the case, that is very sick ed,
you care more about the art than the artist

>  neither situation makes one artist "better" than the other.  but the
>  circumstances are definitely different.  for some, music making has a
>  stronger sense of urgency.

if you can afford to buy gear to make music on or with, i would say you don't
have any urgency really, i mean... you can afford the gear...

i am waiting for someone to do a George Orwell (or at least i think it was
him)... you know... go live in the slum of detroit for a year or two, just so
they can feel the "urgency" like he did with Down and Out in Paris and
London... cept he lived in both cities for a year each as a homeless man...
instead of a struggling techno producer trying to be funky



reward creativity and invention, not formulas

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At 03:10 PM 2/5/99 -0500, Chris Wundram wrote:
>That is so much bull shit.
>
>A lot of "naturally" occurring substances are very toxic, and mind/body
>altering.  It would be very easy to die from eating ergot mold.  Many people
>have died by eating naturally occurring poisonous mushrooms that looked a
>lot like non poisonous mushrooms.  There are plants like belladonna, which
>are powerful hallucinogens, but also very toxic.  There are plants which are
>just plain poison, like fox glove.  
>

Yet a wonderful little heart medicine called digitalis is made from it.
Which just goes to show that discounting various things as poisonous and
"bad" for you with out thinking about it is very stupid...  Anything can be
deadly in the wrong amounts, and I'm willing to guess that EVERYTHING has a
proper use of some sort.

>Naturally occurring substances might be more likely to be toxic than man
>made ones.  It is usually in a plant's best interest to be poisonous, so
>that it won't be eaten.
>
Many fungus's are poisonous to bacteria which make them wonderful
antibiotics, yet many people (sick ones at that) eat them.

One person's poison is anothers life saver.


my 2 cents,

tad


>________________________________
>Chris Wundram
>c-wundram@taltrade.com 
>
>...you ever heard of anyone OD-ing on coca leaves, 
>> marijuana, mushrooms,
>> or peyote...show me one case of an overdose with these and i 
>> will shut the fuk
>> up and i do mean documented proof not something you heard in 
>> another stall while
>> taking a shit at the local mall...naturally occuring 
>> substances were put on this
>> earth for man to use and naturally occuring substances have 
>> bui;lt in safety
>> devices so as not to overtake and OD:
>> 
>
>


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On Sat, 6 Feb 1999 02:22:39 -0500 (EST) Adam Leon Meadows
<meadowsa@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:
>
>
>On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 dgroove@juno.com wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> I recommend the following:
>> 
>> Sci-fi / drama:
>> 
>> Until the End of the World
>> Gattacca
>> Blade Runner (director's cut)
>> Strange Days
>
>Ok Im like the biggest sci-fi nut.  I have seen most every good 
>domestic, readily available film in the genre.  Its not as extensive as
you 
>might think. ( I didnt like Strange Days much BTW)
>

It was a little bit too "Hollywood", however the concept was great.

	Joe
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From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
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On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Kevin Robbins wrote:

This is your mw-raves MOM speaking....

I'm in charge of the food at the mw-raves list party, and if you two don't
stop acting like spoiled little brats (especially YOU kevin), then once
you get to the party, I'm putting BOTH OF YOU in a corner to stand there
and BE HUNGRY and GO WITHOUT ANY DINNER OR BREAKFAST OR SNACKS for the
entire night... Now behave and act like grownups!

> 
>   Doris is an elitist bEatch.   Straight up!!!

Here's the thing. you two can stop fighting now, and Kevin, you can stop
starting shit, since neither of you have volunteered to even HELP ME WITH
THE FOOD! I don't have an email from EITHER OF YOU in my box, and since
I'm oraginizing the food stuffs for this event, I know what I'm talking
about... Why don't you two stop fighting and do something about it, like
email me asking me what MY PLANS ARE AS FAR AS THE FOOD GOES, and get a
REAL answer...

But since neither of you ahve bothered to do that, I'll tell you...

I've got definite plans to accomodate EVERYONES diets, as much as I can.
That means, that there will be enough food for vegemites, vegans,
meatheads and for those who don't care what they eat, as long as it's
food, okay??? And I'll make sure it's seperated too!

now, if you two want to do something, constructive, like EMAIL me, becuase
you're willing to bring something, then that would be fine too...

and everyone else, if you want to bring or contribute ANYTHING at all to
the food part of the mw-raves list party, email me privately... (that
means from napkins, to grills, to griddles to actual food)

thanks...

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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agreed that thx... was a freaking dope ass movie... 

added:

SOLARIS - russian film... i keep recc. no one sees it... 3 hour answer to 2001
LOGAN'S RUN - where is sanctuary?
DAWN OF THE DEAD - george a romero masterpiece.  hands down and off.
MASTER KILLER - shaw brother's and gordon liu enter the 36th chamber.
TREES LOUNGE - alcohol... and alot of it.
TWELVE MONKEYS/LA JETEE - english and frech equiv. of a quantum theory.
FRIGHTENERS - of dead alive fame.
APOCALYPSE NOW - just fucking amazing.
NIGHTBREED - as cheesy as a barker film can get... still gets me misty.

entro


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>>
If you are looking for a mind fucker, check out some of the Russian stuff
in the foreign film section of your movie store.  "Solaris" is quite a
strange one.  I warn you now that you will not understand it unless
watched multiple times.  Its interesting to see how a foreign culture
tackles subjects like sci-fi and what not....  This movie also has the
most unexpected scene EVER in the history of movies.  I would ruin it for
you but then you wouldnt watch all 3:30 hours of weirdness.  Theres
another one by the same director but the name eludes me...
<<

Stalker i think it was called... and that one was very depressing.

Solaris was prolly one of the single most beautiful pieces of work i've
seen... starts out with a menacing vibe to it... ends with a heartfelt one...

i believe the liquid nitrogen scene (if thats what it was) was prolly one of
the most stirring scenes i've seen in awhile, seen!

entro

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fishead writes:

> > i reccomend cabin boy.  also canadian bacon.
>  > any other good movies that begin with C?
>  
>  Combat Shock
>  Cannibal Holocaust
>  Cannibal Ferox
>  City Of Lost Children

children of the corn

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 dgroove writes:

> I recommend the following:
>  
>  Sci-fi / drama:
>  
>  Until the End of the World
>  Gattacca
>  Blade Runner (director's cut)
>  Strange Days

i thought Gattacca was a really good movie. almost frightening<sp?> in the way
that it could actually happen like that 1 day. and it also supports my theroy
that computers will be the death of this world!!!!!


Gaet off the puter, it will rott your brain
GabE

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Isn't Cannibal Holocaust a snuff film? I'm curious 'cause I just saw
it and some of my friends said that it was. I know the animal parts
were real, but I'm not sure about the rest...

n3rm13


---dj fishead <fishead@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote:
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> > i reccomend cabin boy.  also canadian bacon.
> > any other good movies that begin with C?
> 
> Combat Shock
> Cannibal Holocaust


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 06 17:51:52 1999
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Kidentropy@aol.com writes:

> APOCALYPSE NOW - just fucking amazing


str8 up that movie iz fucking amazing. i watched it a few times and then made
the mistake of watching it,after not seeeing it for a long time,,, tripping. i
dont recommend this it tends to perplex the mind. it was a really weird
experience.  now i read alotta books and sum times find myself in the book.
actually on the street witnessing whut im reading, never has it happened witha
movie till i watched this tripping. it really wasnt a good experience. Saving
Private Ryann iz another good movie to watch really loud



just my two fiddy


Gabe

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In a message dated 2/5/99 1:41:07 AM Central Standard Time, MustMeetSP@aol.com
writes:

<< it's a house party, the place is in Uptown a few blocks from St Sabrinas
and
 condom kingdom- no cover and the more the merrier...... everyone is VERY
 encouraged to bring friends!!!   =)
 
  >>

Anyone else gonna head out there?   :)

Jen

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maybe

> Anyone else gonna head out there?   :)
>  
>  Jen
>  

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how many kids in mw are going to this tonite?

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On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Kevin Robbins wrote:

This is your mw-raves MOM speaking....

I'm in charge of the food at the mw-raves list party, and if you two don't
stop acting like spoiled little brats (especially YOU kevin), then once
you get to the party, I'm putting BOTH OF YOU in a corner to stand there
and BE HUNGRY and GO WITHOUT ANY DINNER OR BREAKFAST OR SNACKS for the
entire night... Now behave and act like grownups!

> 
>   Doris is an elitist bEatch.   Straight up!!!

Here's the thing. you two can stop fighting now, and Kevin, you can stop
starting shit, since neither of you have volunteered to even HELP ME WITH
THE FOOD! I don't have an email from EITHER OF YOU in my box, and since
I'm oraginizing the food stuffs for this event, I know what I'm talking
about... Why don't you two stop fighting and do something about it, like
email me asking me what MY PLANS ARE AS FAR AS THE FOOD GOES, and get a
REAL answer...

But since neither of you ahve bothered to do that, I'll tell you...

I've got definite plans to accomodate EVERYONES diets, as much as I can.
That means, that there will be enough food for vegemites, vegans,
meatheads and for those who don't care what they eat, as long as it's
food, okay??? And I'll make sure it's seperated too!

now, if you two want to do something, constructive, like EMAIL me, becuase
you're willing to bring something, then that would be fine too...

and everyone else, if you want to bring or contribute ANYTHING at all to
the food part of the mw-raves list party, email me privately... (that
means from napkins, to grills, to griddles to actual food)

thanks...

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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Has a date been set yet for the party (like 100%).  Any one on the other
list want to give a brief update?

Adam


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my fav Top Ten no necessarily in that order

1)  Up In Smoke
2)  Apocolypse Now
3)  Menace II Society
4)  A Clockwork Orange
5)  Pink Floyd Live at Pompeii (kind of a documentary)
6)  Suburbia (the 80's punk flik, not the the one that came out a couple years
ago)
7)  Another State of Mind
8)  Gridlocked
9)  Romper Stomper
10)  Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas

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peace, shannon.

-liz


-----Original Message-----
From: Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani <freebass@uswest.net>
To: Doug E Forrester <trunk666@juno.com>; Noel Short <leon0023@aol.com>
Cc: MW-Raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 8:06 PM
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>
>
>Doug E Forrester wrote:
>
>> My quote.
>>
>> Drug's are stupid...why do they call it DOPE?
>>
>> "If I wanna get fucked up, I just go and run into a fuckin' brick
>> wall....
>> SAME EFFECT"
>
>the term was first coined as a slang name for heroin because the central
>nervous system that is most affected by it are dopamine receptor
sites...the
>most addictive drugs also affect the dopamine sites such as cocaine,
>methamphetamine (but not methylenedioxymethamphetamine or MDMA, which
>affects serotonin receptor sites)...you can bet that if it has a high rate
>of addiction the substance more than likely, lets say 95% of the time, it
>affects the dopamine system...however drugs such as marijuana and lsd or
>other hallucinogenics for example affect different receptor sites...in fact
>marijuana (THC to be exact) bonds with receptor sites that no other
>neurotransmitters affect or even any other molecular compounds, hence since
>no other structures naturally or synthetic bond with these sites we can
then
>conclude theoretically that the human body was somehow set up to receive
THC
>and was meant to receive it also.  So don't go calling all drugs "dope" it
>is a gross misuse of the word
>----------------------------------------------------
>As long as government exists...PEACE CANNOT
>All government, all law and authority finally rests on force & violence,
>on punishment or fear of punishment...
>TEAR IT DOWN & LET THE TRUTH BEGIN!!!   F.T.W.
>
>I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists
>and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
>your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
>I am chaos.  I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.
>
>ICQ# 23795954
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>
>


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>>  Blacks are stupid... why do they call then NIGGERS?
>
>are you being sarcastic... or just really ignorant?


<flame>

Hey dipshit, go back and REread what trunk wrote. What I
was stating  it is called an analogy.. It was intended to point out the
flawed logic in the  quote he posted.. Reprinting one without the other is
nearly a crime against contextual reasoning...
Don't get so overly reactionary, you'll have a heart
attack before you're 17...

Read some of my other posts before you start sending me
such unhumorours one liners under the consensus of social morality.
Ever heard of swiftian satire?
</flame>

I'm sorry, I honestly didn't mean to make the little baby
jesus cry.. can you ever forgive me? I can perfectly understand your
questioning, but if your going to eat up bandwidth, you should
make it a little more interesting than a one liner... My humble
apologizes for the line written above (which one, though?)
... Secondly, to actually get around to answering your question,
I am very satirical, but also extremely ignorant.. aren't you as well?
No one person understands the sum total of what this universe
has to offer, so in that light (and to paraphrase Socrates) I know
nothing.. But, for some reason, I doubt you ment it like this..
so I am extremely curious as to what relation you were referring..
ignorant relative to what? I'm serious about this question...


tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o


>wondering if offence should be taken,
>~n

Keep wondering ;)...




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is He on this list or does anybody on here know him?
if so mail me!
~*love ya all*~
Joe 

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Has a location been set for this? I've been tooned out of this
(power puff girl style) due to the amazingly large numbers of people
on this list who live in the western midbests (I live on the
eastern tip myself).. I'll gladly help plan this shit (or, at least
attend) if it is relatively close to ohio... Secondly, due to this fact,
why not have two regional ones? Or maybe this has already been stated, like
I said, I'm living in oblivion down here...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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The following leads me to believe you have never met Doris, Kevin. She
is one of the nicest, friendliest people I have ever met on this list.
She has put up anonymous strangers, written countless reviews and
recommendations to this list about events and mixes from a sophisticated
music-lover's standpoint, and continues to be the best source of
information for goings on 313-wise and occasionally, Toronto. I hope you
dont live in the 313 for your sake...

Kevin Robbins wrote:

>   Doris is an elitist bEatch.   Straight up!!!
>

and

>  Fuck you Doris for trying to push your views on me.  Just because
> you're a stuck up Ann Arbor elitist bEatch doesn't mean I can't eat
> whatever the fuck I want to!  Sorry but I'm just sick of vegetarians
> and
> all their bullshit.

Woah, buddy, sounds like you have some baggage... re-read Doris' email,
it is a simple request that there be some vegetarian friendly food...
what were you smoking? Venn


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>DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND LOST HIGHWAY???  CARE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME???


Yes... in a word: Pretension.

in a few:

Overly pretentious crap...

I think he just got comfortable enough with his status as a
film maker to voyage into crap for the sake of crap.. kind of
throwing this disposable medium back into the faces of the consumer.

Just wait for him to explain it, don't trust anybody else...
like with most things abstract, anybody with any semblance of
intelligence could construct a passable story line. I could
piss random colors onto a canvas and 37 different intellectuals
could each come up with 37 different deep meanings as to what
the truth behind my intentions were... but that doesn't mean much
(it neither validates or invalidates what people say... just remember
that *truth* is hardly ever found).  It allows the audience
to become more focal .. abstraction creates interaction,
interactiveness that wouldn't normally be there.. so I give it props in
this vein, but not in much else...


in a similar note, somebody told me long ago that the meaning behind
erasure head was on the net somewhere (written by lynch)..
anybody know a URL?


o0o[qiB.]o0o








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Yeah...there needs to be somfin official so I can stop hittin' "Del".

Has a date been set yet for the party (like 100%).  Any one on the 
other list want to give a brief update?

Adam



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Nice show.

Dock 5 is a pretty cool place.

3rd time I went to see Terry Mullen....and he showed!!!!!!!!

Well worth it.

I think I'm gonna like Chicago.

That was a nice vibe fer a big city.

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Future Kill

Worst lighting, script,acting, sound......

If you can sit through the hole thing, which no one I know who
I have ever shown it to (yeah, I had ta buy it)has, you will get my
praise....which is enough to retire on.  ;P


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That's nice, sweety.

Now go smoke a joint.


 So don't go calling all drugs 
>"dope" it
>is a gross misuse of the word
>bLiTz
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>I am very satirical, but also extremely ignorant.. aren't you as 
>well?
>No one person understands the sum total of what this universe
>has to offer, so in that light (and to paraphrase Socrates) I know
>nothing.. 

This is too deep.
I never meant to think.
I wanna nap...my brain hurts.  ;P

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"planet lovetron" 

Is this in Chicago?

Anybody got info?


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THINGS TO COME (1936) from H.G. Wells (based on his book and made under
his supervision)... black and white of course, primitive special
effects, and slow-moving as it is more of a vehicle for his critique of
the social order of his day and ideas for the future. However, some VERY
RELEVANT MATERIAL  TO PPL INTO NETWORKING. The "good guys" in the film
are even in an organization called "WORLD COMMUNICATIONS" and they go
around the globe in their airships trying to organize the war-shattered
ppl of the future into a utopian society. Some great audio samples,
which I use in a couple of bleep/Detroit techno mixes, from the enemies
of the World Communications ppl.

FANTASTIC PLANET (1973) is a French animated film about a planet where
these smaller creatures are abused by a larger dominant species...
shroomy visual style and deep messages about how pervasive prejudice can
be.

SILENT RUNNING (1971)  the remaining forests from earth are put onto
deep space platforms... when the government doesnt feel like paying for
their upkeep anymore, the platforms are to be destroyed, but of course,
the hero and heroine have other plans. Would go well with some nice
Progression Sessions in the background.

DARK STAR (1974)- kind of a more realistic 2001... instead of a nice
clean space ship you get one filled with litter, and a dumb,
malfunctioning computer (Windoze 2112?), plus more comedy.

for some other good foreign ones check out Vynalez Zkazy, Die Spinnen,
Uchu kara No Messeji, Seme Dell'Uomo, Ruusujen Aika, and Forbrydelsens
Element. Happy watching :) Venn


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why don't we start the whole "e-up-the-ass" debate again? That was much
more interesting.

Paul
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lets not forget george lucas's first film THX-1138..


tata,

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net meet..??

I'll be around... I'll look around for some of ya...

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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Umm.. my computer is crap (ibm pc, win 95 ), and I'm about to get a new
one..
but before that, I've been having and issue with it over the
last few days...

first it told me the FAT of the c drive was corrupted, and wouldn't
start.. then (after letting it sit for a day or so) it worked fine..

that was months ago, since then it has been running really slow and
(in the last few days) it would lock up by flashing the screen and
the running a horizontal line of garbage across the center of my
monitor...  reboot time...
well, recently, it works fine (still slow) but now my mouse pointer
has a small line underneath it ... that follows it.. odd... any ideas?
cpu bad? new hard drive  needed? I wouldn't care, 'cept i sequence
my music on this peice of shit...

tata,

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> 
> in a similar note, somebody told me long ago that the meaning behind
> erasure head was on the net somewhere (written by lynch)..
> anybody know a URL?
>  
> o0o[qiB.]o0o
> 

hmmm dont know where the lynch-written "answer" to eraserhead is but
youve got me interested in searching... in the meantime here is a take
on the movie by some guy named ray... i had a link to it from my
homepage... pretty interesting analysis...

http://users.aol.com/raywolf1/eraserhead/index.html


lilas
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>> Future Kill

Worst lighting, script,acting, sound......

If you can sit through the hole thing, which no one I know who
I have ever shown it to (yeah, I had ta buy it)has, you will get my
praise....which is enough to retire on.  ;P


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UNDER THE LIQUID SKY ... a close second.

entro

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Argh.

Who in the Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota area rents sound and lighting
equipment?  (Lots of stuff required)

I know I should know this one, but you know.  I've been working on my taxes
for the last 3 hours.

thanks.





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ooops.... i can't believe i made this mistake.....    sorry sid....

Starscream is from Des Moines... not Sioux City.. my bad....

-pm-

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On Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:26:21 -0600 jp <jp@art.uwstout.edu> writes:
>Argh.
>
>Who in the Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota area rents sound and 
>lighting
>equipment?  (Lots of stuff required)
>
>I know I should know this one, but you know.  I've been working on my 
>taxes
>for the last 3 hours.
>
>thanks.
>
>

Right here !

"Light Fantastik"

2 Argon lasers (1 watt & 1/10 watt)
8 Roboscans
4 Emulators
Oil Projector 
Video Projector

I can get more if necessary...let me know what you need.

I also have a small P.A., but I don't like renting it out (part of it is
for sale though).

More info - www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik

Or call me: 414-405-3972

	Joe
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well, i will throw my opinion in here as well.... 

my favs would be:
	clockwork orange (did you know the soundtrack for this is on cd now?)
	1984 (new one)
	excalibur (love that sound track)
	man bites dog (anyone notice that part of the film is cut out in some
versions?)
	in the mouth of madness 

those are my favs... but there are endless amounts of good movies out there...
if you have cable... check out the independant film channel... not everyone
has it, but if you have the bravo channel, then you have ifc on fridays...

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Anyone ever see the movie Ripe?
It's about a couple of 14 year old girls who ran away from home after their
parents were killed.  They ended up on an army base.. working, drinking,
masterbating and having sex.  
THAT is the worst movie ever

Jen

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>It's about a couple of 14 year old girls 
 They ended up on an army base.. working, 
>drinking,
>masterbating and having sex.  
>

That's actually sounds pretty fuckin' good!!!!!!!!!

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>>lets not forget george lucas's first film THX-1138..


tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o<<

some actually already suggested that... but a beautiful film nonetheless...

but i was reading that eraserhead site (which i still have not seen that movie
to this date)

and saw a suggestion for best film "Tetsuo : Iron Man" which me and the gf
just saw recently... which pretty much was the worst piece of shite i have
seen in my life... so that i think is on my list for worst headache ever made.

although i must admit the guy getting raped by the girl with the metal tubing
on her crotch was at least...

interesting

entro

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does anyone know how much the party is?

On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Doug E Forrester wrote:

> 
> "planet lovetron" 
> 
> Is this in Chicago?
> 
> Anybody got info?
> 
> 
> TRUNKout 
> ILL BASS PRODUCTIONS
> (The "Chicago branch" of MO BASS...the jungle in KC)
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Ok.. so here's the "official" word on this lil shindig..

1) WHEN and WHERE
	This was the toughest part... while we'd like to accomidate
	everyone's schedule, it just can't be done.  So, MikeyD, Rebecca,
	and myself (along with the rest of our roommates) are having a
	net-party at our house in URBANA/CHAMPAIGN on Saturday, MARCH 20.
	There will be a lil warm-up/decorating posse on friday night, but
	the main thang is saturday night.
2) WHO
	All MW net kids and their guests are invited, and I'd also like to 
	invite the UC-raves posse, since they're net kids too.  It isn't
	really open to the general public (IE: townies, etc), but I don't
	think we're going to be fascists at the door.... ;)
3) WHAT
	Well, I think we should have a name for this party =)  There have
	been several suggestions on the planning list, but I think we
        should have a VOTE.  We're going to have a system where you can
        jump on the web, add suggestions for party names and vote with
	your web browser.  When this is system is ready, we'll letcha know
4) SOUNDS AND NOISES
	Since no one on the planning mailing list has stepped up to
	organize things, here's the best way I know how to work it:
	We will be having a small tape-listening party down here in U/C
	on SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 28 (where exactly to be determined..).  ANYONE
	is welcome to come down and help decide who will spin and when.
	Even if only the promoters and net-kids in town came, I'm sure
	that we would decide on a fair and balanced time schedule.  But if
	you'd like to come down for the afternoon/evening and chill out
	and listen to tapes, shoot me an email and I'll hit you up with
	directions once the tape party location is chosen.  The goal for 
	the lineup will be to have a good variety of sounds represented,
	and the talents of MW'ers exposed to new ears.  While this may
	sound a little formal for a house party, with organized dj time
	slots and all, I strongly  disagree, 'cuz I know how annoying it
	is when people need to 'jockey' for their slot (and it isn't as if
	kids won't be able to trade..)
4.1) DO YOU WANT TO SPIN/PERFORM?
	If you want a timeslot to spin, perform live, or be creative in
	your own special way, we're going to need a tape to schedule you
	into a slot that would add a good flow to the event.  Even if you
	don't have a tape that you've "released" before, just throw a 
	little something down on a cassette or CD and send it our way.
	If you have spun at a Rural Amerika, Gro, or Paradox event in the
	past, or know for certain that one of the U/C kidz has a copy of
	a tape, you don't really need to send us one :)  Just let us know
	you want a timeslot and what you'd like to do with it (in case you
	mix-n-match genres of music).  You have to get us your tapes by
	FEBRURARY 28th, 'cuz otherwise we won't be able to fit you in.
	POSTAL ADDRESS FOR TAPES:
			NET-RAVERS
			709 W. High St.
			Urbana, IL. 61801
5) FOOD STUFF..
	 If you want to contribute with any sort of foodstuffs, 
	 (either food or grills or whatever), please arrange that with
	 Becky (wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu)

That's about it for the current status of things.  If you have any
questions, just bounce me an email., or if you have comments/issues, feel
free to post 'em to the list

whee!
-pete
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In a message dated 2/6/99 2:45:25 PM CST, RaVeR1420@aol.com writes:

<< is He on this list or does anybody on here know him?
 if so mail me! >>

Yeah, actually we just spun a back to back set tonight at that house party
uptown in Mpls.

Cloudskipper

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At 04:32 AM 2/7/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 2/6/99 2:45:25 PM CST, RaVeR1420@aol.com writes:
>
><< is He on this list or does anybody on here know him?
> if so mail me! >>

i know him too... were you looking to get in touch with him or just
generally inquiring to see if anyone knows him?  he is on the list too, or
he used to be...



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In a message dated 2/7/99 4:32:42 AM CST, crege@students.wisc.edu writes:

<< i know him too... were you looking to get in touch with him or just
 generally inquiring to see if anyone knows him?  he is on the list too, or
 he used to be... >>

he's still on the list, he just get everything in digest form. i'm sure he'll
see this stuff and he'll contact you.

cloudskipper

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> SOLARIS - russian film... i keep recc. no one sees it... 3 hour answer to 2001

Stalker as well.... just checked on imdb and (as I suspected) it's by the same
director (Tarkovsky)... haven't seen Solaris, but if it's in the same league as
this one then I'll third that recommendation.

> DAWN OF THE DEAD - george a romero masterpiece.  hands down and off.

Day Of The Dead as well... single best severed head effects I've ever seen... just
amazing... Day isn't as action packed as the earlier films, but it still carries
the same kind of political overtones (this time dealing with the insanity of
Reagan-era military stockpiling)...

> FRIGHTENERS - of dead alive fame.

all of Jackson's stuff is recommended... although some people just don't find Meet
The Feebles all that amusing... Frighteners, however, seems to have universal
appeal... and it helped me shed the embarrassment of being from the same country
as Micheal J. "this man has no Elvis in him" Fox...

> APOCALYPSE NOW - just fucking amazing.

this is one of a very small number of films that shouldn't be seen outside of a
theatre... although, with the decline of midnight movies the chances of catching
it running on the big screen are pretty limited...  it must, however be seen in
letterbox... don't even joke about watching this in pan & scan.

> NIGHTBREED - as cheesy as a barker film can get... still gets me misty.

Rawhead Rex and Transmutations (the latter of which is pretty similar to the
Nightbreed story) are pretty damn cheesey...  btw: has anyone seen Barker's
Salome??  I think that's probably his earliest work... Doug 'Pinhead' Bradley is
in it... Redemption video handles the title..

other good things...
DUNE... universally chastised as being Lynch's worst film.. I think it kicks hella
ass... The spice is life, bady... and check the cast... Brad Dourif, Jack Nance,
Max Von Sydow, Sean Young.. and if you're a trek-freak Patrick Stewart plays a
pretty big part.
THE ADDICTION... Abel Ferrera's metaphoric vampire flick... same guy who did Bad
Lieutenant and the 'classic' Driller Killer... finally a vampire film that asks
you to think for a few moments.
BLOOD FOR DRACULA... Paul Morrissey had some money left over after making Flesh
For Frankenstein (anybody seen it in 3-D by the way?) and did this as a quickie...
Udo Kier plays the decrepit count... wonderful, really...and you don't have to
think at all...
finally... anything by Dario Argento... 'cause...shit... he's the man... and on a
midwest related note, Trauma was filmed in Minneapolis... Opera, Suspiria,
Profondo Rosso and Tenebrae are the true path... Inferno slacks a little towards
the end, but there's some crazy surreal stuff that makes it well worth the crap
bits.

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> > > i reccomend cabin boy.  also canadian bacon.
> >  > any other good movies that begin with C?
> >  Combat Shock
> >  Cannibal Holocaust
> >  Cannibal Ferox
> >  City Of Lost Children
> children of the corn

you can quit hitting the pipe now... you're high enough.

just can't recommend that film... had it recommended by some
'friends'... they don't get birthday presents from me anymore.

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http://www.hampsterdance.com

go, look, worshop
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Very catchy little hampster tune.  I may naver be able to stop singing it.
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>http://www.hampsterdance.com
>
>go, look, worshop
>--
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Hello, this is Christopher Renz of eucalyptus productions out here
in little ol Madison, Wisconsin.

In the past ive done runs of usually about 3 dozen shirts
and by the time I get them out to my friends, they are gone.

I know a lot of you in the past have asked me "where can I get one
of those, you bastard? " well, you can get em now.

The way its gonna go is this, you can go to Nice Musique here in Madison
at 702 east Johnson and pre-order yours.

Ill take orders till Saturday, the 20th of this month. 

So, if you want a shirt, you'll have to go to Nice Musique sometime
between now and then, thrown down your $$ and all of your current 
information (address, phone #, e-mail addy) so when they are done
Ill call you, send you something in the mail, or e-mail and let you know
you can go down to the store and pick yours up.

I havent calculated the exact price but as soon as I figure out
what the printing will cost per shirt I can add up that with the
cost of the design work and will post it here to the list, put it on
the voice mail, and I should have it written down at Nice Musique.


The design will be like the older ones, it will not be promoting
eucalyptus, it'll just have the "Midwest bass" written across it
somewhere under the design.

Christopher Renz
eucalyptus productions
608.258.0098



be on the lookout for our next Midwest event

"thumper "

April 3rd baby!!!!

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A rave related URL!?!?  Banish the thought!!!

http://www.protman.com

Check out the music on this site, if you can find it.  Its quite simply
some incredible stuff.  Two unknown Chicago producers (one of them went to
Purdue last year; he was quite an odd and angry one) making stuff better
than or at least on par with the best stuff coming out of Warp today.

Sounds like heavily Aphex Twin and Autechre influenced stuff but
definitely NOT copies.  Much of it improvements or different takes on the
feel of that sound...

All you track producers should give a listen...

Adam


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not like the subject line doesn't say it all, lemme just say this was one
KICK ASS party!!!!

where to start.  well, we arrived for the net.meet at the griddle, so it
was really good to see a ton of familiar faces, some old ones, and meet
some new ppl :)  i think the waitress lady wuz gerring *really* annoyed, n
wuz expecting to ring up a $300 food bill... *doh*  she shoulda seen
everyone in phat pants and realized better?!!?!?!?!?!?!?

heh.

the international center (or centre for all the canadians, eh?) wuz pretty
easy to find.  to my dismay, it wasn't the air traffic control building at
the toronto airport :/  (that would make a TIGHT ASS party!!!)  the
line--which from what i've been told has been the *major* concern at past
hulla's--moved very quickly, which wuz really kool!!!!  granted when we
got in line we were way the fuck at the back, around the center and in an
adjacent parking lot, and it was cold, but we were in after 40 minutes or
so.  security was really nice, and they actually did an ok job of
searching me.  better they search me than the fuckers at the border... :o

i got 2 werds for ya... BOUNCING CASTLES!!!!!  i got 2 more werds for
ya....SORE ARSE!!!!!  hittin yer tushy on the floor when you get toppled
in one of those ain't pleasant lemme tell ya... :P~~~

the venue seemed a bit crowded early on into the party.  after 3 or so,
and everyone's drugs kicked in and ppl were sitting down, the space seemed
to open up :P  it was set up really really well, 2 rooms, a full
cafeteria, a snack stand, and really nice bathrooms :)

lights:  the strobes were set up in a... well too symmetric manner for me,
at least in the second room from what i can remember.  was it just me or
were there weak as fuck lasers in the main room?  sound:  great simply
put!

one thing i was wondering... later in the night i had an easier time
finding rolls than a fucking blow pop.  WTF wuz up wif that???????
though i got mad candy early on... fuckin candy ravers :P~~~~~~
where's the PLUR????? :P~~~  j/k

as far as music went, i wuz really happy to get to see flipside, slipmatt,
OS/2, Madam Zu, spock jenkins (ooooh, spock + os/2 = some of the best
trance you'll hear!!!), and slam...  the track selection was really good,
and OH, exlixir gets mad props for the way he closed the night out!!! :)
:)

it wuz really cool to see everyone again, grant, adam, umm... doris,
wanky, tighe?? :P~~~  and of course i'm really glad i met THE Bekka, and
m00!  everyone was great, really friendly, and the vibe was unbelieveable.
by far and way this was one of the best parties i've been too.

anywho, that about sums up the party in a few werds or less.  there would
have been one thing that would have *totally* made this party the shite,
but unfortunately, plur fests aren't quite her thing...

peace, and happy hullabal00000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prasad


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i just wanted to take a quick second to Xtend my thanx to dj spree for
educating me on the occurences and the vibe at hulla back at bonkers :)
thanks craig!!!  i had a blast!!!!

oh yeah... tons of plur is hard as fuck to wash off :/

peace,
Prasad


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dj fishead wrote:

> > FRIGHTENERS - of dead alive fame.
>
> all of Jackson's stuff is recommended... although some people just don't find Meet
> The Feebles all that amusing... Frighteners, however, seems to have universal
> appeal... and it helped me shed the embarrassment of being from the same country
> as Micheal J. "this man has no Elvis in him" Fox...

oh my god fish you RULE!.....i didn't thnk anyone in this scene anywhere was a Mojo
Nixon fan....woooo hooo...he rules!
kind of off subject but the best song he ever wrote was "she's vibrator
dependent".....hahahhahah
i love that song...well and the elvis song kicks ass too



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	This was taken from Ravedata News and posted on alt.rave, so if you're
questioning the credibility, don't ask me!~*

	"On Friday, February 5, 1999 at 11:20pmPST, it was reported on the SFRaves
list that Doc Martin was in a Los Angelos area hospital waivering between
critical and serious condition.  It has since been confirmed that he is
experiencing liver/pancreas problems as well as trouble breathing.
	We should take this time to send good thoughts and prayers to an important
and talented individual who is so appreciated by our community."

*---sendin' some madd crazEE healthy vibes to da man---*
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April  3rd  1999  Indianapolis, Indiana

Full Spectrum Chicago
Blink Productions Chicago
Yellow No. 13 

present                       SAMSARA

Dj Sy
UK/Quosh - If you were at Bonkers you seen this man tear down the
house with his cut scratching skills and blew Chicago up with the
anthems of Happy Hardcore. Prepare yourself to be blown away again
this time he rocks Indy with a special set of Techno from 91-98!

Thee-O
Los Angeles - Making his first Midwest apperance!  Thee-O will keep
you moving with his hard trance and bring you up with the sunrise
with his morning trance.    

Roy Davis Jr.
Chicago/Nite Life Collective - Chicago House legend invades Indy
with high energy funk straight from Jack's House!

Angel Alanis
Chicago/Full Spectrum/Contaminated - One word to describe Angel,
DOPE! He has worldwide respect with his mixing and producing skills.
He will be the man of the hour so don't miss this midwest
performance!

Mark Almaria
Chicago/A.B.S/IHR - Indianapolis prepare yourself for Chicago House
at it's finest, this man knows how to move a crowd.

Delta 9
Chicago/Industrial Strength - Fuckin Hardcore baby,  nuff said!

Luis Aguilera aka Galaga
Chicago/Full Spectrum - Luis started off Bonkers with a bang! He's been 
behind the tables for over 12 years, he is a man with many styles. His 
rush trance will keep you moving all night!

Kevin Cunningham
Chicago/Blink - This ghetto bad boy is now in Chicago, watch him
tear down the house with a 4 table set! 

-- 4 turntable set -- 2hr
Set   Starting with Ghetto House then a journey into Jungle

Dj Urban
Chicago/Dance Mania/Pushpac - Uh oh work it work it! This Southside
Chicago Dj is all about ghetto and is ready to make you move your
ass. Don't miss this rare 4 table performance!

Factor-E
Atlanta - Factor-E is a breakbeat assassin!  Coming back from
Toronto, his funky cosmic breaks will keep you moving to the crack
of dawn!

Terrence Parker
Detroit/intangible records - You know him for his Detroit Techno,
Terrence will be doing a special house set for Samsara, not one to
be missed!

Indio
New Orleans/Vise Records - Indio brings you the funky tech-house of
New Orleans,  making his first Midwest performance, come see what
the hype's about!

Derek Plaslaiko
Detroit -  Throwin down Hard bangin Detroit Techno!

Punisher
Detroit -  She will make your ass move with her Detroit Techno.

Mike Huckaby 
Detroit -  Mike is known for his Techno... On April 3rd,  he will be
doing a special House set!  

Madchiller
Fort Wayne -  Junglist with lots of flava,  he just released his new
cd "Version 1.0". From Darkstep to Jump up to Techstep, he will keep
you moving.

Lion 
New York -  Coming direct with his jump up jungle, making his first 
midwest apperance! This selecta will bring you the best of best in the 
jump up!

Slater 
Indy -  Hometown Resident

Max
Indy -  Max is the one thats been keeping the scene alive in Indy.  
Trudat!


Crescent City Light & Sound  New Orleans
TWICE more sound then we had at Bonkers
Magic Lantern Traveling Lightshow  

Admission: 
$20  with a can food or a out of state ID
$25  without a can food
please try to bring a can food if you are coming out of state,
all can food proceeds go to local shelters

Main INFO lines:
Full Spectrum Chicago   773.509.6343
Yellow No. 13           317.971.6937
Blink Chicago           312.409.8684

Support Lines:
Kindred Groove  (MO)     314.351.4051
Satellite       (GA)     404.880.9746
Mushgroove      (IL)     773.509.6869
Boogie Tribe    (IL)     773.509.5050
Drop Bass       (WI)     414.777.3998
Ambassador Snap (MI)     313.438.2541
Freebass Society(LA)     504.840.4112
Lime            (OH)     216.556.4998 
Placebo    (TO. Canada)  416.202.8871

Full Spectrum Chicago Online   Http://fly.to/Fullspectrum



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hey,

this is a seminar, lecture thing about...using computers to 
make music; if you didn't get that from the title.  It's 
free but you are supposed to rsvp to 612.596.3230 or 
etorkelson@easterisland.com.  it's on February 11 at 6pm at 
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Lion 
New York -  Coming direct with his jump up jungle, making his first 
midwest apperance! This selecta will bring you the best of best in the 
jump up!

hmm can't be his first midwest apperance..he wuz at Family Affair 4 :)



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Hey party kidds I just wanted every one to know . There is going to be a pre
party for Tranquillity..
Feb 12 1999
is going to blow the roof off with 
DJs
Mike Donovan
Jedeye
Guru
DJ Quantum
More T.B.A
I will be sending out direction over the web.
Or email M24Jay Subject Planet Red
Info line is (937)443-7773
Plur
also please pass this out to every one you know . I would really like to get
the werd 
out on it.

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At 05:43 PM 2/7/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Lion 
>New York -  Coming direct with his jump up jungle, making his first 
>midwest apperance! This selecta will bring you the best of best in the 
>jump up!
>
>hmm can't be his first midwest apperance..he wuz at Family Affair 4 :)

he also played at fire in chicago last winter...  it's been my experience
that promoters just put things like that on the flyer when they feel like
it, whether or not it's true.

chris

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an addendum to the Derrick May conversation

			pt


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:30:59 -0400
From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks <cognition@globalserve.net>
To: .....Cognition Audioworks <cognition@canada.com>
Subject: (G-TECH) Transmat: new comp + albums

Derrick May's Detroit-based Transmat imprint
has plans to release a compilation soon, plus
some albums later in 1999.  Get the exclusive
details in the News section on:
http://www.globalserve.net/~cognition
(apologies for not posting this sooner)
Thanks. Andrew :)





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On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Pete Mannix wrote:

> 3) WHAT
> 	Well, I think we should have a name for this party =)  There have

how about

   LETS ALL GET IN ONE ROOM AND PRETEND WE'RE NOT BITCHING AT EACH OTHER


		making his first midwest post,

				paul toastman


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From:	Eye-D@zeelandnet.nl (Eye-D)
To:	maisel@mindspring.com

Has to be one of the funniest things I've ever read. I pulled it from The
Onion. <http://www.theonion.com/>

---

Roof on Fire Claims Lives of 43 Party People

NEW YORK--Tragedy struck at a popular Manhattan nightclub Saturday,
when the roof, the roof, the roof of The Tunnel caught fire,
collapsing and killing 43 party people.

According to fire-department officials, the death toll was exacerbated
by the clubgoers' unwillingness to evacuate the burning building.

"I tried shouting to the people on the dance floor that the roof was
on fire and that they should exit the premises immediately, but they
seemed unfazed by the danger," firefighter Michael Pitti said. "I just
kept shouting, 'The roof! The roof! The roof is on fire!' and so
forth, but they just went right on dancing, insisting that they didn't
need any of our water and that we should let the motherfucker burn."

The party people's refusal to exit the flame-engulfed nightclub is
widely believed to have been the result of DJ Phreek Malik's
unstoppable mix of the hottest house, funk, hip-hop, disco, jungle and
techno beats.

"DJ Phreek Malik was spinning in a manner so hot, these party people
were willing to give up their lives for a few extra minutes on the
dance floor," New York City fire commissioner Thomas Von Essen said.
"Even as a 50-foot-high wall of flames surged toward them, they
continued to dance, throwing their hands in the air and waving them as
if they just didn't care."

As flames continued to fill the nightclub, firefighters frantically
urged the revelers to keep low to the ground to avoid smoke
inhalation, but the warnings were universally ignored.

"I was screaming at the top of my lungs, 'Get down! Get down, party
people!'" said Garry Hodges of Ladder Company 42, "but the more I
shouted out, the harder they danced."

Though an FDNY investigation is still pending, the deadly blaze is
believed to have begun at 11:40 p.m., when a roof-mounted ventilation
system short-circuited, igniting the motherfucker. The fire is New
York's deadliest since 1978, when 117 party people burned, baby,
burned to death in a South Bronx disco inferno.

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In a message dated 2/7/99 1:35:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, locutus@crystal-
night.com writes:

> http://www.hampsterdance.com
>  
>  go, look, worshop

if you really like hamsters, check out www.realhamsters.com

altho, it might just be www.realhamster.com

one of those two.. .i can't remember if it has the S


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Speaking of good movies, since the thread is still going...

If anyone in the Milwaukee area is interested in buying a DVD player, 
I have a _brand new, in the box_ RCA DVD player, model RC5210P
for sale.  My roommate won it in a contest, and we already have one.

It's a basic model, but still tons better than a VCR.  New it goes for
$300, but my roommate will sell it for $250.

Please reply PRIVATELY to this address.

Thank you.

	Joe
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On February 13, 1999 Floorgasm Productions brings to us Tranquillity. 
This event will be held in Dayton Ohio.

Headlining-

Da La Soul
[Native Tongue / Tommy Boy] NYC
Performing live at 2 am all the way from upstate NY... Here to putthe
Potholes in your lawn.  The one, the only.  Plug 1, Plug 2, and Plug
3...

Soul Slinger
[Liquid Sky / Jungle Sky] NYC
Producer, DJ, Musical Genius, and Co-Founder of Liquid Sky.  Carlos
does it all, and he's coming to blow the roof off with his deep drum
and bass.

Pish Posh aka DJ Wally
[Liquid Sky / Rawcus / Geffen] NYC
A 10 year veteran to the Underground Movement, HIS own label "Samz
Jointz," a full album "Genetic Flaw," released on Liquid Sky's Label. 
This busy DJ / Producer is still finding the time to come over and
play Phat-ass funky drum and bass.

Space Girl
[EDM Records] Moscow-NYC
>From Moscow to NYC, the Zen Festival to The Roxy. Space Girl performs
a live Techno / Trance set that takes listeners on a musical journey
that  you won't want to miss.

Friction & Spice
[Cosmic Records] Orlando
Back again to celebrate the release of their Full-Length CD
"Explorations." Be prepared for nothing but the best breaks & beats
Florida has to offer.

2 DJs / 4 Turntables / 1 set

Cyberjive		Trevor Lamont
New Orleans House	Teamster's
Project Dust Traxx	God's House Inc.
New Orleans		Lexington

X-ian			  R.P.D.
C.B.S. / Yellow Hypnotic  Yellow Hypnotic / King Funk
Cincinnati		  Cincinnati-Nashville
 
Roll-X [Familia/Satellite] Atlanta
Stan Doublin [Kindred Groove / FUNK Ent.] St. Louis
Eric D [412 Collective] Pittsburgh
Professor Keenbeen [Global Friendship Ent.] Indiana
Nostalgic [Boogie Squad / Floorgasm] Dayton
Jedeye & Guru [Bounce Theory] Dayton
Kid K-1 Indianapolis

Doors open at 10 pm
Main Info line (765) 339-3143
Floorgasm Productions Inc.

$20 before 1 am  $25 after

Family Support:
Dayton-Bounce Theory (937) 496-4624
Cincinnati-C.B.S. (513) 665-6572
Columbus-Tri-Qud (614) 470-2105
Cleveland-Teknova (216) 556-2305
Nashville-King Funk (615) 366-0266
St. Louis-Kindred Groove (314) 351-4051
Detroit-Ambassadors Snap (313) 438-2541
Indianapolis-S.I.N. (317) 895-4546





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does anyone know about or have any info on Nowhere Festival?


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We will be in Cleveland this weekend, and want to know what we should
check out as far as record and clothing stores. And of course location,
phone numbers, etc.
thanks
bari
DiscoLoop productions


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Doug E Forrester wrote:

> Future Kill
>
> Worst lighting, script,acting, sound......
>
> If you can sit through the hole thing, which no one I know who
> I have ever shown it to (yeah, I had ta buy it)has, you will get my
> praise....which is enough to retire on.  ;P

Try a movie called Invader.  1990 I think.  Worst writing I have ever
seen.  The only film in which the term "peckerhead" has been used in
serious action sequences.  A definite must see, preferably while really
stoned.



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so is anyone planning on making the trek to New Orleans this weekend for Mardi
Gras and ZOOLU 5?

I can hardly contain myself...
getting shitty and nakedness...and a great lineup to boot

:::grabs flyer:::

Rabbit in the Moon
Richie Hawtin
John Aquaviva
Paul van Dyk
Sneak
Q-Bert
Adam Freeland
Odi, Danny, Dieselboy, Phantom 45
and shit, that's just the first night

want these beads?...

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check out the blame game - new mtv gameshow weeknights @ 10pm central. 

seven of dj 3d's tunes are dropping here and there on it. one of the seven
"entity revised" will be dropped for 2 minutes, every episode.

also 3d's doing a&r for chicago's new CANVAS label for all the jungle
producers out there. if you don't know how to get in touch with him...

www.angelfire.com/il/dj3d/frameset.html

forte recordings 

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does anyone know anything about a Korg Poly-61 Analog Synthesizer?
is it worth a fuck?
any and all opinions are needed
thanks


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Yes'm brandon, dennis, and myself will be in attendance!! =) just found out
tonight, so yeah i'm stoked and all that shit and i'm pretty 'cited too.  I
can't wait to see Paul Van Dyk that's like a dream come true =)  ok well
time to sleep and all that oh BOY!!!  nite everybody

=)'s
curtis

anybody wanna have a mwmeet?

>so is anyone planning on making the trek to New Orleans this weekend for
Mardi
>Gras and ZOOLU 5?
>



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i think i actually might be making the trek from chi-town down there....my
bro showed me the flyer and said he's drivin' so why not???

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I think i'll be goin ;-)  teehee!

- Jens 



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> FANTASTIC PLANET (1973) is a French animated film about a planet where
> these smaller creatures are abused by a larger dominant species...
> shroomy visual style and deep messages about how pervasive prejudice can
> be.

Yeah, this movie is dope.  The first time I saw it I was tripping.
Krazy!!!

Also, my additions:

Jacob's Ladder => my all time favorite.  whatever you think, you don't
understand         everything about this movie unless you've seen it
tripping.  There are almost too many meanings and plots.
Videodrome =>  Early 80s classic with James Woods and Deborah Harry
(Blondie).  Excellen mindfuck material.
Liquid Sky =>  Can't believe I haven't seen anyone mention this.  It has got
to be one of the all time most generally fucked up movies.
In the Mouth of Madness =>  Sort of a horror/comedy spoof on King/Lovecraft.
Excellent movie.  Watch it in the dark.


>




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Yeah, i ended up watching that last night, and i remeber turning to nathan and
asking him why there was GOOD hard house playing in the back ground and why
the host was attempting to dance to it........ scary
~*HuGz*~   Laine

In a message dated 2/8/99 2:05:38 AM CST, Forteinfo@aol.com writes:

<< check out the blame game - new mtv gameshow weeknights @ 10pm central. 
 
 seven of dj 3d's tunes are dropping here and there on it. one of the seven
 "entity revised" will be dropped for 2 minutes, every episode.
 
 also 3d's doing a&r for chicago's new CANVAS label for all the jungle
 producers out there. if you don't know how to get in touch with him...
 
 www.angelfire.com/il/dj3d/frameset.html
 
 forte recordings 
 
  >>

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Hehe i heard from MCM that two of my tracks are gonna be used....
so that means i have to watch this idiotic show until they play them =P
lol....
electro on MTV during normal programming hours? is it possible?!?!?! lol
-d

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 ~*HuGz*~   Laine
  >>

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Well, after getting back Sunday night at about 8:30 after driving
straight home
from the party (ack!) it took me until now to get enough together to
write a
proper review.

Hullabaloo 9 was without a doubt the best large-scale rave (it wasn't a
party.. it was a rave) I've ever been to.  Imagine a party of a couple
thousand
with a vibe like a party of a couple hundred... everyone was happy,
everyone
was friendly, and everyone was there to have a great time.

Not only that, very few people were sitting down.  The entire party was
moving until literally the last second before the end.  (and a couple
kids
continued to dance even though there was no music and they were
dismantling the sound :-)

This party really makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with the
midwest
these days.  At your typical MW party (at least here in Ohio) about half
the
crowd will be sitting on the floor fucked up on drugs.  About 1/4 of the
crowd
who is standing will just be standing around, and maybe 1/4 of the crowd
might
be dancing or having some other kind of fun.  Now, I'm not saying that
sitting
on the floor fucked up on drugs can't be fun.. but you can do that at
home!
Why pay $20-$30 bucks to get into a party to do that??

But the ratio of dancers/partiers to sitters isn't really what I'm
talking about.
What I'm talking about is what some call the "vibe."  At Hullbaloo 9 I
received so many hello's and hugs and smiles I couldn't even count them.

People were friendly.  There was absolutely no attitude whatsoever at
this
party.  This is what makes me wonder what is wrong with the midwest
these days.  It's not the drugs-- there were a lot of drugs (mostly E)
at
Hullabaloo... and probably about the same percentage of kids were on
drugs here as at your typical party.  It's not drugs... it's attitude.

I mean... my god.. they started partying in the LINE outside of the
party!
There were some kids banging out a hardcore beat on a sign with whistles

and all these kids were dancing in the f*cking line!  I have
*never* seen
anything like this in the midwest.

People would call this a candyraver party (there were certainly a lot of

those) but let me tell you.. I prefer candyravers to people with
attitudes.
Hell, even the candyravers in the midwest are getting attitudes.

Anyway, the music was fantastic as well as the vibe, and was a bit more
diverse than some people expected (it wasn't *all* happyhardcore).
The main room had jungle and happyhardcore going all night, with a
little
oldskool at the end.  The second room had some of the most incredible
trance I have ever heard, along with hard acid house and hardcore.  The
choice of music was excellent and fit in with the vibe fine, and at any
given moment there was something for everyone.  Someone who hates
happycore could easily have had fun at this party in the second room.
(Which also had just as good of sound as the first and had almost as big

of a dance floor.)

It was great meeting all you midwest kids.. I forget most of your names
but I remember what all of you look like (I am horrible with names).  I
know I met prasad, doris, m00, and bekka!  The net-meet went great..
I think kids with large pants will no longer be welcome in the Golden
Griddle.  :-)

So, to all who would call this a st00pid lame plurfest... well.. you
just have
no idea what you're talking about.  Maybe you should try going to a lame

plurfest sometime.



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**FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE**

LESSON #1:  =B3Seek and you will find, grasshopper.=B2

North American based KUNG FU KNOWLEDGE DJ TOUR is scheduled to launch at
the Winter Music Conference (March 13-17) in Miami, then targets over 25
cities in the East, Midwest, and West coast regions of the United States,
with extensions to key cities throughout Canada.  DJs representing the mos=
t
respected US and UK artist-run labels will perform while fully-licensed
visuals mix and blend to create a fusion of martial art images and eye
provoking graphics.

Two primary forces, TAI SENG (largest distributor of Hong Kong action film=
s
in the United States) and KNOWLEDGE, Bristol,UK=B9s premiere drum-n-bass
magazine bring their collective experience, to collaborate with US sponsor=
s
such as SOAP SHOES (skate gear).  Enabling US and UK labels to send their
DJs on this high-profile mission.  The task, to unite the talent of DJ
mixmasters with martial art masters.  Each event is carefully crafted to
bring a western translation of our love affair with eastern mysticism.
Expect to witness in-store appearances of high profile martial art film
stars at select local fashion, music and record outlets.  Seeking students
should be conscious of intercepting fists, meeting rhythms of fury, and
lightning turntable moves.  For the discriminating expert, fluid
DRUM-N-BREAKS, mastery over motion, and electronic undertones, will be
skillfully interwoven throughout the KUNG FU KNOWLEDGE DJ TOUR.

Subtle yet deadly KUNG FU KNOWLEDGE DJ TOUR triads, partnerships and allie=
s
have been preparing themselves, while underground forces continue to
mobilize the streets.  The final blow will be felt at large-venue parties
and clubs.  TV, radio and internet broadcasts are poised to move.  Live an=
d
archived webcasts from www.houseofblues.com will provide over 1.5 million
visitors access to several tour events.  Timing is an essential part of th=
e
revelations planned and www.KUNGFU-KNOWLEDGE.COM will be accessible to the
world soon enough.  Until then, don=B9t demand too many answers to your
questions, the way will unfold itself through time...

Booking Info:

Contagious Musiq
Mihai Crisan
p) 212.223.8601
f)  212.223.8602
e-mail  mihai@contagiousmusiq.com


Contact/Publicity Inquiries:
Dynasty Productions
p) 404.817.9308
f)  404.815.0885
e-mail dynasty@dynastyvibe.com


(we are organizing in-stores, and college radio stops for the DJs and
Martial artists, if interested hit dynasty back)


The Artist/Labels participating on this tour has increased.
Please remember, that this is a worldly guest DJ 'plug-in' tour, check wit=
h
CONTAGIOUS MUSIQ for artists available in your area, here goes:


ADD-ONS:
Ed Rush--Virus
Optical--Virus
Randall--AWOL / Mac 2
Introducing UK's leading female:  MC CHIKABOO


PREVIOUSLY RELEASED INFO:
Tech Itch and Decoder --Tech Itch/Moving Shadow
1.8.7 and Soul Slinger -- Liquid Sky
DJ Dazee -- Ruffneck Ting
Johnny L--XL
Craze -- Bomb Records
Bailey -- Metalheadz
Swift -- Charge
Ezra--SDP, LA

Any questions?? Hit us back we'll be happy to answer them--but be patient
grasshopper...


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check out our site for detailed updates of link listings.


Bye for now, and thanks for the support!

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                                         Leave all the bullshit aside it's
time to party like 1999!
                                                        N-Joy, Sequence and
VBNTS present:
                                                           Flip Mode
                                                        Saturady March 6th in
the Windy City
    
                                                    DJ Dan (FunkYTekno Tribe/
San Francisco)
                                                     Farley"Jackmaster" Funk
(The Godfater)
                                                          Miles Meade (Smart
Bar/San Diego)
                                                                   Huggy
(Back2Basics/U.K)
                                                                          Trax
x (Teamsters)
                                                            Jevon Jackson (For
Soul Only/Mad Bar)

                                                   The Technical Itch records
tour

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                                                                          Deco
der (Platinum /U.K)
                                                                         Diese
lboy (Platinum/Phillly)
                                                                          MC
Dub2 (Platinum/Philly)
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antom 45 (SubBase)
                                                                              
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(Semiconscious Liberation Army)
                                                                              
Casper (89.3)
                                                                              
DJ Ry-n (89.3)
                                                                              
MC Blackeye
                                                          Call day of the
event for directions to the venue
                                                               630-415-3158:
847-622-3844: 773-604-1644

                                                             Pre-sale
Tickets:$15 (get'em while they're hot at) 
                                                                Hip House 6560
W. Fullerton (773) 237-2188
                                                                 Untitled 2705
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                                                                    Level 4195
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Constructive Criticism/Bitch Mode: ON


I am really, really tired of the multicolored spaztic ravey lights that
seem to appear at every MO/KS/NE party. I mean, lighting is essential -
but really. The DARKER, the better. I'm not saying fuck ALL the lights -
but please...

When promoting, remember - you are trying to establish a MOOD. When
using strobes - DON'T point them at the crowd. Use them tactfully. If
you must use fog machines, don't point them at the crowd. Use them
tactfully.

In general - if you want people to dance, if you want people to
coagulate into a MASS, give them a MATURE visual mood to groove into.


Constructive Criticism/Bitch Mode: OFF

_jason

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OK - first off, i would like to say that i have been extremely impressed with
1 (one) party that was held in Omaha since July 4, 1998... that party was PLUR
- as for this party... here goes my story...

to start off with, i got the directions written down off the computer (I won't
mention this person's name)... however, this person's directions absolutely
SUCKED... please, please learn to give better directions... this comes from a
GROUP of ravers that have traveled to many, many different states and cities
to go to many, many different events... also, communication helps... we got to
the party after looking for it forever and found out that there was actually a
map point that we were supposed to go to first so that we could buy wristbands
for the event... what kind of crap is that??? i even had a friend that made it
to the map point and there was no one there so she had to drive around for 1
hour looking for the party....

second off, i guess that i should have guessed what the party was gonna be
like after reading off the name of the venue... Cow Patty's (what kind of crap
is that???) ... come on now, you guys are from the mid-west ... but, we need
to do some kind of justice to our scene and have a party someplace besides a
place called Cow Patty's... now, the music... YUCK - it sucked needless to say
up until 3:00 when the party went off the hook - thanks to Dan Deliverance
bringing the east coast flava... everyone could tell that the East Coast has
some of the best DJs in the United States... in fact, between the east coast
and the west coast, there aren't many other DJs that can even compare (even in
their wildest dreams)... anyways... thanks to all the DJs that spun after Dan
Deliverance... you made the party come to life and kept my friends moving for
the rest of the night... unlike the DJs that made us wanna cry before that... 

Next... what the f**ck was all that crappy booty house music about and the
booty house dance contest.. it made me feel like i was in second grade again
when the teachers allow their students to bring in boom boxes and dance in the
class room for the end of the year school party - come on, get a clue... we
don't need girls showing their asses for $30.00... i have guy friends that
could have showed their asses and won that money, but they were not allowed
to...

The lighting... that sucked too... what the hell was this... hell, i don't
even want the mention how awful that was... i'm gonna start to have a bad
trip... and i'll save the rest of you the details too...

anyways... i do want to send mad props out to the KC crew for kicking it with
all of us at my after hours party (Edwin, Kevin, Roman, Ryan, and Bea)... once
again, Bea, i'm sorry that this was your first rave... we'll all make it up to
you!!!  and to the Lawrence KS crew (Tom, Finley, Lacey, Anthony, Elizabeth,
Jessica, etc... can't remember all your names) and to Jason (Cali raver now
living in norfolk, Ne) and to sarah (from Sioux City, IA)... we had much love
and good vibes at my after hours party yesterday... i can't wait to do it
again...  and, Special Note to Edwin... see, i told you that we would take
care of you!!!

Well, i hope that i never have to see another nite like that again... the
feeling i got from looking at the flyer told me not to go to this party, but
i'm glad i did cuz i got to see peeps i wasn't able to see in a long time...

oh, and please get a clue... spinning CDs does not really involve too much
talent and i think that Josh Wink song was out in oh, let's see 1994... 

Oh well, peace and love to all the kids that were at that party and i hope
that you all have a Happy Valentine's Day... MUAH

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via the breaks list/it's about time:

>>>This is a message sent out Tuesday from the radio promotions manager
>@ Stud!o K7 Recorings in NYC>>>
>
>LTJ is comming to town and he is bringing some friends. Yes LTJ Bukem
>along side Blame, Intense, MC Conrad + DRS
>
>And Now ...check the dates and cities...
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>02/03 Los Angeles        
>03/03 Austin                 
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>05/03 Gainsville             
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>10/03 Montreal             
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>28/03 Chicago
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>D'n'B in full effect . !K7 flex and Good Looking are proud to bring
>you the tour to launch the release of Progression Session vol .3
>Spread the Word...


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>I am really, really tired of the multicolored spaztic ravey lights that
>seem to appear at every MO/KS/NE party. I mean, lighting is essential -
>but really. The DARKER, the better. I'm not saying fuck ALL the lights 
-
>but please...

i agree. too many of the parties around here are just too damn bright.. 
darker could be better, people..
actually my idea of perfect lighting is to fog the room up so much, that 
you are kind of in a sea of fog, and can't see 2 feet in front of you.. 
add to that 2 intellibeams/roboscans and a laser..
that's it..
but you'd probably spend enough money on fog stuff to make up for the 
savings on the 10 roboscans you didn't use...


Dj Storm
Hard Trance/ Psychedelic Trance
Psychedelic Trance Liberation Front  Agent# 604
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i totally disagree, i want my eyes to be in just as a bad a shape as my ears
and my legs when i leave a party, halogen strobes or whatever the hell they
are do a nice job of that.  soo very nice on the drive home too with all
those little colorey blobs floating around in my head and stuff (no drugs
promise).  and fog machines are soo nice to be in front of, i always get
kicked off of em cuz i like to wrap my lips around the exhaust and inhale as
much of that stuff as i can, yummy it is!
=)'s
curtis

>When promoting, remember - you are trying to establish a MOOD. When
>using strobes - DON'T point them at the crowd. Use them tactfully. If
>you must use fog machines, don't point them at the crowd. Use them
>tactfully.



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When is the Midwest...

HAPPY HARDCORE SUCKS!! 

I've learned from my mistakes. FUCK happy.

Only real 8-bit digital hardcore and noisecore are the true accepted
hardcore.. Happiness is wack..it's all about anger and aggression....HATE if
you will. House & techno are the only true forms of real midwest accepted rave
music. Jungle is dead (fuck jump up and ragga and that hippity hoppy crap!!)
and experimentalistic drum & bass is IN.. Dark tech-step is my bag, baby.

Look...you can keep your la di da happy hardcore smack. I'm for real
intelligent mind expanding music...not this bullshit happy crap. GO TO PROM!!
IT's THE SAME FUCKIN' THING!! Raves are about the future...and there is no
happiness in OUR future. it's dark and we must learn to accept that are fate
is damnation. 

I used to like that happy shit...but fuck that. I see from my stand point that
hardcore died a long time ago. I know I used to spin that shit..but fuck it. I
see the darkness and there is no light at the end. 

Okay... I'l lay off the smack now... 

Phil




I'm going through with drawal... I need new rekkids.

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In regards to this AAL review:

> up until 3:00 when the party went off the hook - thanks to Dan Deliverance
> bringing the east coast flava... everyone could tell that the East Coast has
> some of the best DJs in the United States... in fact, between the east coast

Location doesn't make someone a good DJ. Experience, intelligence and
taste do. Dan is a good DJ because of those qualities - not because he's
FROM somewhere "cool".

And if you ask me, Nitro and Dan are totally and completely in the same
class of DJ. To give Dan props and then trash the rest of the evening is
to put down one of the midwest's best. Nitro's set was just as
incredible, along with PUMP's four new tracks that they had ready on
acetate.

But, I guess since he isn't from the east coast, or the west coast,
where all the cool people are, he doesn't deserve credit.

Whatever.

I'm now doing reviews based on a point scale. Much like the UK show
"Whose line is it anyways?" my points are entirely esoteric.

All About the Love:
-------------------
Dancers: +1 (at least we saw some skin for a minute, but really if you
can't do anything more than the "i'm rolling" dance...)
Headliner Performance: +9 Nitro, +9 Dan
Sound: +2 (i'm sorry guys, it sounded way to harsh all night)
Lights: -10 (see atmosphere)
Atmosphere: 0 (I couldn't see half the time)
Location: +2 (at least there was clean bathrooms and it didn't get
busted)
Vibe: +4 (even the drugs didn't help)
Bonus points: Danny getting hardcore during Dan's set +4

Total Score: 13/70
How much this party should have cost: $3 (rounded up from $2.70)

(1/70 = .20 cents - $15 being the most expensive party this area will
tolerate)


_jason "constructive criticism mode always on" 12


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> When is the Midwest...
>  
>  HAPPY HARDCORE SUCKS!! 

Is there anywhere in the USA where the majority loves Happy Hardcore?  Just
wondering.
Luv,
Lisa

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my room!

> Is there anywhere in the USA where the majority loves Happy Hardcore?

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 08 17:57:27 1999
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>When is the Midwest...
>
>HAPPY HARDCORE SUCKS!!
>
>I've learned from my mistakes. FUCK happy.

ha. ha.  phil, you're so smart.

obviously the only way to get people to accept the music you play is to
cleverly insult other music because it doesn't work in the same way as
yours.

that works so much better than realizing that not everyone is going to like
your happy music.  you do realise that it's kinda cheezy, right?

maybe you should go take a long nap.

i don't know why i bother responding to your posts anyway.  you just
respond by ignoring every word everyone says to you and then go on not
tolerating anything dark while expecting complete acceptance of your happy
music.


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 08 18:09:18 1999
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Does anyone have the "Jacks House" speech from Larry Heard (Mr Fingers) on
wav or mpeg file? Or do you know where I can download it off the net?
I beleive it comes from the track "Can You Feel It" but has been seen on
compilations as "Jacks House".

Its the "In the beginning...jack had a groove...etc"...sample.


	dj muppetfucker - muppetfucker@hardcorps.org - aka noahphex
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	Contact: VMB - 512-703-8901 - http://hardcorps.org/muppetfucker


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After living for over 5 months in this vinyl-forsaken land...I just
received most of my records in the mail this morning.

and there was much rejoicing :)

	that is all,
			paul toastman




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At 12:19 PM 2/8/99 EST, you wrote:
>When is the Midwest...
>
>HAPPY HARDCORE SUCKS!! 
>
hm... this is intelligent,  i agree with you.  Fuck anyone else who has an
opinion that differs from yours.  Esspecially when it's all about a topic
that is completely opinion.  Keep posting, i love to hear you whine...


mike


p.s. HH is cool in my humble opinion



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In a message dated 2/8/99, 11:57:22 AM, crege@students.wisc.edu writes:
<<i don't know why i bother responding to your posts anyway.  you just
respond by ignoring every word everyone says to you and then go on not
tolerating anything dark while expecting complete acceptance of your happy
music.>>


You know... I just don't like happy shit anymore. It's not my happy music. I'm
sick and tired of support such crap music. It's not worth it... Maybe I just
hate everything and call it a day.

Shit... I hate mondays.

And I'm still fiending for new rekkids
 
Phil
Raver-hater 


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http://newgrounds.com/assassin/index.html

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At 10:37 8-2-99 -0500, DJDiscoD69@aol.com wrote:

>Hehe i heard from MCM that two of my tracks are gonna be used....
>so that means i have to watch this idiotic show until they play them =P
>lol....
>electro on MTV during normal programming hours? is it possible?!?!?! lol

Hey kids... Airplay on MTV means royalties. Probably serious royalties,
too. Make sure your ASCAPs are in place, and keep track of what's going on.

"It's all about the Benjamins."

Eye-D

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Up next...
  * Ghetto Safari 7

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It's monday and I'm at work. I just had a real decent weekend.

I suggest that raver-types take a good month off and just spend some quality
time w/ quality friends. 


Being serious and not saying anything tooo stoopid,
Phil



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...well, not really fear and loathing, that was a better title than 
"review of boby's universe"



sound: good

lights: good



space: Call me crazy, but I STILL have a soft spot in my heart for 
dirty, nasty, old warehouse buildings without plumbing. I loved it. 
Nothin new there, but it had that old skool feel. In fact, when someone 
in the second room dropped Jaydee's "Plastic Dreams" it totally felt 
like a time warp to 1992-93. 



DJs: I can only comment on 3 sets since most of the evening was spent 
catching up with all the old friends i kept running into. :)



anyways.. 



Raymond Roker: I saw him in Philly a year or so ago. He delivered a nice 
set then. It's good to se that he is consistant. His mixing was tight. 
Good set. 



J. Goodwill: He absolutely made my night! He did an EXCELLENT job. His 
set started with some unreleased house tracks from his label (off his 
DAT) From there, he progressed into *gasp* TECHNO. People were screamin 
and had their hands in the air. 



John Kelly: I was very pleasantly surprised by his set. He played what 
i'd call "borderline tracks": not techno, not house, not trance, but 
influenced by those styles. Example: Thomas Krome "the real Jazz" 
dahlback remix, Marc Lloyd's recent Primate release. SooooooOOoooo much 
better than that Moonshine garbage on his mix cd.



Sets I missed, but wanted to see: Perry Ellis, Miles Maeda, Troll & 
Mogli, Xian 





Surprise of the Evening: Miles Maeda's transformation into a Rockstar 
Look-a-like. Fortunately, he doesn't act like one. He's still one of the 
nicest people you can talk to. :)





good friends, good music, and a good time.

what more can you ask for? 



leigh

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 08 19:12:32 1999
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i dunno if i agree with you at all.. i mean, i personally think dj rap is
kinda skanky looking, but i'venever scene her in person.. anyway, she does
have a lotta ability, i've heard her tapes and stuff, and she's skilled,
but i wouldn't book her for her looks

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On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Ethan Lucarelli wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> I was just thinking that it would bite a lot to be DJ Rap and to read 
> all these comments on the list about how much your DJ'ing sucks and how 
> you only get gigs b/c of your looks.  I mean personally I've neither 
> heard nor seen Ms. Rap so I can't truly comment on her quality (in 
> either sense).  But I was just thinking it would suck bad to be her 
> right now.. I'm talking it would suck donkey dork and such.  Wow, I'm 
> sure glad I'm not a good looking female DJ who onlygets booked for 
> parties because she is good looking and really has very little DJ 
> ability.  *phew*
> 
> Ethan
> bondseer@hotmail.com
> ICQ:629161
> 
> 
> >
> >> A really good dj is Dj Rap and she is really hot  same with Dj Heaven 
> >
> >dunno about heaven... but Rap?
> >
> >hahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa.
> >
> >please.
> >
> >she is hot though.
> >jd
> >
> 
> 
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okie...

lemme see....

we got to nashville around 10 o'clock pm...stayed bored for the first couple
of hours..the crowd really didnt get there til a little bit later that night
for some reason....

we had pulled in the parking lot and there were very few cars there

the vibe...hmmMmMM...it was odd for the first couple of hours....couldnt find
a definite room i wanted to be in....

then....it just got better...'

the house that night was amazing....i couldnt believe i actually could dance
that much and be that tired at the same time...lol...

best set of the night: miles maeda...hands down...=D grOoOooOOooVy house....

worth mentioning:
Raymond Roker...for once surprised me..was better than i remember 
Perry Ellis...played some tekno...werDdDdD
Aaron Ochoa....played some niCe house
John Kelley....gooD set...missed half of it though
RPD....nice morning set....had some problems with a record skipping though due
to equipment problems but overall had a nice set

there was jungle in two rooms at once a couple of times and that was a lil bit
of an overkill

people kept playing old tracks that are a WEE bit overplayed (come on...please
dont play "the music sounds better with you" anymore for a couple of years at
least...shiaaaat....it was good back in AUGUST...gawd)

the vibe overall was kinda strange....

BEST PART OF THE NIGHT OVERALL....
THE GREAT BROTHER JCDOWRONG...the master of ceremonies for the night (read:
dressed up in furry pimp gear preachin...was too funny)....he was
preachin....the best line of it all that he said? "seein you all here smilin
tonight makes me happier than eatin flinstones vitamins on a sunny sunny
summer day"....(you would have to see it to believe...it was insane)

was it worth $30? i dunno....i doubt it...but seeing Brother DoWrong... that
made it a lil better....lol....

peeeeeeSh
lauryN*

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   The Meaning Of Life
   A Goodfellaz Gathering
   Nashville, Tennessee
   March 6th, 1999 A.D.
   25$ at the door, $20 with a pre-party ticket stub
   Marathon Village  1305 Clinton Avenue
   
   Terrance Parker - Intangible Records, Detroit
   Scott Henry - Fever Buzz, Baltimore
   Space Girl - EDM Records, Russia, NYC
   Swamp - '97-'98 DMC Champ - L.A.
   Shortkutt - Invisible Skratch Piklz - San Fran
   DJ Lars - MTV's RealWorld, Berlin, NYC
   Samm-e, Roll-x, Ulysis - 4 turntable tag team, Atlanta
   Trevor Lamont - Soul Society/God's House, KY
   6 Tuntable Exibition - Flagrant, Blue and Ginsu on 6 Tuntables!!!!!!!
   Dorian - C.E.O. Goodfellaz Midwest
   Ashley Powers - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
   Lovebomb - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
   Taeo - St. Louis
   Soundcat - C.A.A., Cincy
   Egon - 91.1 WRVU Nashville
   Blue and Ginsu - Hip Hop Freaky Nikky
   Jadin - Nashville
   Quaid - P.M. Crew, Nashville
   Flagrant - Goodfellaz, Nashville
   Spoon - Lil' Diva, Nashville
   Flex - Sky Baby, NYC
   Matthew (aka DJ Bam Bam) - U.M.A., Goodfellaz, Lil Diva, Nashville
  
   Info-lines: 615-817-6869 and 615-271-9468
  Friday March 5th Pre-Party for The Meaning Of Life
  A Goodfellaz Gathering
  
  Terry Mullen - Catalyst, Chicago
  Cyberjive - Dustraxx, New Orleans House Project
  X-ian - C.B.S., Cincy
  Brad Robinson - San Fran
  Jamin - NYC
  MKII And Dorian - Special ambient jungle tag team
  Roger & Jeremy - Atlanta
  
  Call info-line for pre-party location  
  Attendance to the Pre-Party will give you a discount at the main event!!

  After Party to be thrown by Last Minute Productions 4:19
  
  Vendors aer all welcome but you MUST call the info line and let us know at
least 2      days before the main event
   
   This will be a VERY special event
   There will be 4 MAIN ROOMS at this event
   Attendance to the pre-party will give you a discount at the main event
   
  Directions: Get on I-40 heading to downtown Nashville.
                   Get off at Church/Charlotte.
                   Go East on Charlotte Ave.
                   Then turn left on 11th Avenue
                   Clinton Avenue is on your left
   
   
   
  

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Ok, we didn't get to the party till 1 b/c SOMEONE wouldn't stop playing zelda
on my nintendo 64 (nathan). So after practically draging nathan off the
nintendo we finally got to the party at about 1, it was a nashville party so i
knew almost everyone there, so the first hour we didn't even go in because we
were all running around findin everyone, we got in and walked around for a
while, danced some, went back out side, drove to a gas station to go to the
bathroom cuz non of us could bring our selves to use those nasty porta potty
things (ickey, specially w/ no lights). Got back to the party and out of no
where it started to rain hard (for about 5 minutes). Finally got into the
party and went into the second room where hip-hop was being play (dun member
the dj), nathan refused to leave so i went into the main room where R.P.D. was
tearing in up w/ a VERY nice morning set, i kinda got lost in that till the
end of the party, and when the music went off i looked around and (tops) 25
kids were left in the entire party, now come on, just once i would like to see
nashville kids stay untill the END of a party, but oh well, whatcha gonna do.
We then left to go to the after party, and for those of you who don't know, NO
ONE THROWS AN AFTER PARTY LIKE LAST MINUTE PRODUCTIONS, there was free food,
and deoderent, facial cleanser and all sorts of good stuff in the bathrooms. I
wish we coulda stayed longer, but SOMEONE got cranky and wanted to go home ;).
So we went home and crashed out. All in all it was a good party and the after
party was BOMB (juss wish i coulda stayed longer =P). And after hearing what
lauryn said bout J.C. Dowrong i wish i coulda caght that too. See everyone at
THE MEANING OF LIFE on march 6 =).
~*HuGz*~   Laine

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Los Angeles is the capital of the happy hardcore/partycore lovers...
you mention people like Fished out here and the go "who? what does he play?"
then you tell them and they go "oh that is bad vibe music man.  it's all about
Eric L and Dj Paul, they are the best and the vibiest"
ack i hate LA!
you should hear how much shit gets talked on other types of hardcore out
here....especially if you mention Mark N.  People have literally gotten into
fights over the whole debate of gabber vs party/happy hardcore.

PixiEg4713@aol.com wrote:

> > When is the Midwest...
> >
> >  HAPPY HARDCORE SUCKS!!
>
> Is there anywhere in the USA where the majority loves Happy Hardcore?  Just
> wondering.
> Luv,
> Lisa




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At 03:18 AM 2/8/99 -0600, Curtis Tiffany wrote:
>Yes'm brandon, dennis, and myself will be in attendance!! =) just found out
>tonight, so yeah i'm stoked and all that shit and i'm pretty 'cited too.  I
>can't wait to see Paul Van Dyk that's like a dream come true =)  ok well
>time to sleep and all that oh BOY!!!  nite everybody
>
>=)'s
>curtis
>
oh my gawsh, Paul van Dyk, if i saw him & going to see Chris Liberator this
summer than all i would need to make my life complete is seeing Tsyuoshi
Szuki (sp). Wow, can't believe that he is coming to the states, anyone know
if he is touring or just coming for this party? Also when is the date for this?
love & light,
-Jeffz

  -( Subconscious Collective )-
             515-239-4685
-=Next Event:Hope, March 6th=-

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Brilliance!!  I like the Higher State of Consciousness clip in the kill
Leonardo DiCaprio.  Killing the Backstreet Boys restored happiness and
tranquility to my life.
-----Original Message-----
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>http://newgrounds.com/assassin/index.html
>
>--
>--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
>dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
>    http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
>      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm
>
>


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Planet Red
With Djs: 
Mike Donovan
Dj Quantum
Jedeye
Guru
DJ Buddy Lee

More DJ's TBA

Doors open at 10 and you can dance till you drop.
$10.00 before 12:00 and15.00 after 12:00 
Get in cheeper with can food or if you live out of the tri-state.
TWO ROOMS of SOUND
With great lights and sound to RAISE the ROOF
It is in a large heated venue.

Directions:
>From the EAST (Columbus)
Take west to exit 59. Get back on the highway on the same exit and follow the
road that leads to the right off of the on ramp. The party is on the right.

>From the WEST (Dayton and Indy)
70 east get off exit 59. Get back on 70 west turn right on exit ramp party is
on right hand side..

info line (937)443-7773

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saturday feb 13 1999

ZOOLU 5

special guest mc
FRED "RERUN" BERRY.............. star of the critically aclaimed  show "WHAT'S
HAPPENING" and star of the well written but grossly misunderstood  show"WHAT'S
HAPPENING NOW"

rabbit in the moon
paul van dyk
richie hawtin
john acquaviva
sneak
q-bert
adam feeland
jerry bonham
odi
danny the wildchild
dieselboy
phantom45
demonixx
stryfe
dave jinx
evil eddie
kise & prophet 136
cease
zach
oktane
mike shu

tickets $35 through ticketmaster
doors open 8 pm
pre-party starts @ 5 pm @ rewind record store(519 wilkison row)
free dave jinx/evil eddie cd's to the first 500 people

sunday feb 14, 1999

ZOOLUV

danny tenaglia(4 hour set)
marry pappas
tony estrada
j. andrew

tickets $20 available through ticketmaster
doors open 10 pm
partial proceeds to the noaids task force

monday feb 15, 1999

ZOOLU ALL-STARS
(all dj's will be spinning a very special set in drag with one arm tied behind
there back)

dj dan
terry mullan
nigel richards
charles feelgood
monk
micro
faust
craze
shortee
cyberjive
starbaby
the swat team
earl

tickets $25 through ticketmaster
doors open 10 pm

STATE PALACE THEATER
1108 CANAL STREET
DOWNTOWN NEW ORLEANS

INFO: 504.840.4112

these work now
<A HREF="http://www.flyfm.net">www.flyfm.net</A>
<A HREF="http://www.freebass.net">www.freebass.net</A>


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In a message dated 2/8/99 11:26:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, Eye-
D@zeelandnet.nl writes:

<< 
 Hey kids... Airplay on MTV means royalties. Probably serious royalties,
 too. Make sure your ASCAPs are in place, and keep track of what's going on.
 
 "It's all about the Benjamins."
 
 Eye-D >>

Actually, frank... from what i understand of the deal... and whether or not
i'm supposed to talk of mtv's business deals... I am not employed by either
company... and here's what i gotta say.

MTV pays NO and i repeat NO royalties for songs they use on their shows or
commercials... i repeat... MTV pays NO royalties...

why?

i guess they think that being lucky enough to appear on their behemoth of a
marketing machine.. is payment enough... as far as advertising...

personally... i'd rather buy ad space in massive.

entro
never saw minor threat on mtv.

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First off, I'd have to agree with Jason.  Just because someone is from
the coast, doesn't make them a good dj.  I happen to love many mw
djs......

About the party, in two words:  it sucked.  I got there way late
because of bad directions I received from e-mail, the info line, and
mean convenience store workers.  I finally got desperate and called
911.  At least they had their shit together....

Using Jason's scale, I'd agree with the 0 for Atmosphere.  I'd rate
the vibe about the same.  It reminded me of a junior high social, only
with XXX booty action.  If I wanted to see female nudity, I'd save my
$15 and go to a strip club.  They'd probably have better sound there
as well.

The cool kidds I met at Carla's after the party was what saved my
weekend from disaster.  A special thanks to Jason, Bea, Edwin, Kevin,
Finley, Lacy, Roman, Sean, and maddluvin' to Carla for going all out
with the chicken parmigiana.  I can't wait to see you all again!
 
Peace, Love, and all the rest--
sarah

P.S.  Happy V-Day!      






 

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For me, I think the problem is less with the *amount* of lights but the
haphazard way that they're used.  As you said, you're trying to establish
a M00D, and that means the lights should have some design that furthers
that mood.  Ifyou want fucked up and dark detroit, maybe all you need is a
strobe or a single intellibeam.  If you want a happy candy rave, maybe you
need a bunch of bright gels and some pyrotechnics.  Whatever. =]

Luis

On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Jason Schroeder wrote:

> Constructive Criticism/Bitch Mode: ON
> 
> 
> I am really, really tired of the multicolored spaztic ravey lights that
> seem to appear at every MO/KS/NE party. I mean, lighting is essential -
> but really. The DARKER, the better. I'm not saying fuck ALL the lights -
> but please...
> 
> When promoting, remember - you are trying to establish a MOOD. When
> using strobes - DON'T point them at the crowd. Use them tactfully. If
> you must use fog machines, don't point them at the crowd. Use them
> tactfully.
> 
> In general - if you want people to dance, if you want people to
> coagulate into a MASS, give them a MATURE visual mood to groove into.
> 
> 
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In a message dated 2/8/99, 3:54:21 PM, djnickel@earthlink.net writes:
<<Los Angeles is the capital of the happy hardcore/partycore lovers...
you mention people like Fished out here and the go "who? what does he play?"
then you tell them and they go "oh that is bad vibe music man.  it's all about
Eric L and Dj Paul, they are the best and the vibiest"
ack i hate LA!
you should hear how much shit gets talked on other types of hardcore out
here....especially if you mention Mark N.  People have literally gotten into
fights over the whole debate of gabber vs party/happy hardcore.
>>
 Which is a sad thing because here in the Midwest there's very few occations
when there's hardcore....period. 

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it is now becoming like that here...
the last decent hardcore event here was 13...i heard some dope fucking music that
night, but Dr. Freecloud's and Chemistry (the people who put it on) lost thier
fucking asses cuz of Ron's supposed reputation for being "mr. Hate" who can't dj
for shit....
i think Arizona is the place for hardcore right now....
apparantly Ron gets booked there at least once a month, and they love bringing in
out of town hardcore talent (mostly stateside from what i understand) and they
don't care what kind of hardcore they play.  From all reports, Phoenix, AZ and
Arizona in general is very much like how and what made LA a great scene years
ago.  To all the hardcore dj's try and get in touch with Ron and find out if he
can hook you up with promoter info for  Arizona.

PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/8/99, 3:54:21 PM, djnickel@earthlink.net writes:
> <<Los Angeles is the capital of the happy hardcore/partycore lovers...
> you mention people like Fished out here and the go "who? what does he play?"
> then you tell them and they go "oh that is bad vibe music man.  it's all about
> Eric L and Dj Paul, they are the best and the vibiest"
> ack i hate LA!
> you should hear how much shit gets talked on other types of hardcore out
> here....especially if you mention Mark N.  People have literally gotten into
> fights over the whole debate of gabber vs party/happy hardcore.
> >>
>  Which is a sad thing because here in the Midwest there's very few occations
> when there's hardcore....period.




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You know, amusingly enough, some of the HH sets at Hulla dipped into dark
gabbery stuff, which went over surprisingly well with the crowd.  Of
course, Anabolic Frolic's set was unmitigated cheeze and sugar, but DJ
Spark's set was all over the map, DJ Slam threw down what sounded like
gabber without the "fuck you" vocals.  Kinda of a schizo contrast to throw
into a set, but everybody seemed to like it. 

my 0.02
Luis


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Everything right about the Rave scene all in one night. I've posted enough
reviews of past Hullabaloo's on MW....all I can say is that if you've
never gone to a Hullabloo before, do so...guaranteed best vibe ever. 

happy hardcore, ragga jungle, trancecore, hardcore, old skool, multiple
bouncy castles, thousands of smiling and dancing ravers, stickers, weird
costumes, free whistles, fuzzy outfits, stuffed animals and lots more
happy hardcore...

Hullabaloo is part of the reason I'm still proud to be a raver.

ad infinitum respect to chris for another wicked night in TO,
 
matt   

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am i the only one getting multiple copies of posts tonite?



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Yeah I think I caught part of that on cable a couple weeks back..  it 
wasn't even bad in an amusing way like Dead Alive or something.. it was 
just really terrible.. one of those movies that made you ashamed to be 
human.. I watched it all the way thru of course.

Ethan
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>Anyone ever see the movie Ripe?
>It's about a couple of 14 year old girls who ran away from home after 
their
>parents were killed.  They ended up on an army base.. working, 
drinking,
>masterbating and having sex.  
>THAT is the worst movie ever
>
>Jen


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Werd.

[BY THE WAY, this is being x-posted to a few lists I'm on, so if you want
to reply, please do it privately to me or only to the list you're
subscribed to. thanks!]

	Well, I'm surprisingly coherent today considering how hard I
partied last saturday in Toronto (and no, I'm not referring to mass
amounts of drugs).
	
	Drove up to Toronto on Friday and hung out with old friends.  We
hit a little "techno" night at some bar.  The bar was called Kajmere and
the event was called "milk".  I can't say I was too impressed.  I got the
feeling this was where boring people went to feel cutting-edge.  Not to
say that *I* am (far from, in fact), but I got this whole "We're trying
really hard to get over electric circus. =]
	
	Saturday was spent shopping and trawling around Queen st and the
like.  I dropped by MW net meet at the Golden Griddle to say yo, then
ran back to pick up my friends for the party. My friend Hannah got off
work late, so we sped down to the location as soon as possible afterwards.
We got there at 10:30 ish and got into the party soon after.  The music
was amazing.  Adam already said he would take care of doing the effusive
"It was soooo VIBEY" posting, so I'll just assume you all already know and
leave it at that. =]  DJ Spark was really impressive, as was DJ Slam and
the boy who was on before him (I don't know why I forgot his name, he was
really great, too).  I caught SOS's set as well as some of Anabolic's.  I
also caught Slip n' Slide's jungle set, which blew me away.  Not only was
the track selection tight, but his scratching skillz are AMAZING! Woo!
Wikked, eh?  Ah...here we are, I just grabbed the flyer: Freaky Flow,
Euphonic and Smithy were all great, too.  The constant HH got a little
tedious, tho.  I prefer when they intersperse HH with Jungle.  There
didn't seem to be all that many prime-time jungle sets.  MC Charlie B was
a great addition to the usual crew of MCs.  Good times...  
	The space was fantastic.  Props again to Chris for picking a space
that could handle our numbers and still keep things reasonably
comfortable.  Those who went to 6,7, or 8 will know that this one was
vastly better in space.  The bouncy castles (finally!), pyrotechnics,
video projection and other stuff was a nice touch, too.  As usual, the
whole Toronto HH crew was out in force.  It's funny, I saw alot of kids I
know who usually go to Toronto parties in rather non-descript or label-ho
outfits dressed in complete fun-fur candyness for this party.  Hullabaloos
seem to be the occasion when everybody feels okay getting all candied out
and acting like a complete dork.  Myself, I was just wearing some phatty
pants and an "Oldskool" t-shirt.  Oh, and purple hair. =]  Gawd, I danced
so hard, I don't know if my body will ever forgive me!
	All in all, I have to say this has to be one of the best Hullas as
far as DJs and organization and such are concerned.  Thanks to Chris for
putting this together.

SHOUTS: The whole MW raves krew.  I won't try naming you all here, but you
know who you are. Bekka, for putting the net-meet together.  Crystal, from
Ohio. Matt Positive (what nice 'muffs you have. =]), great tape!  I
listened to it all the way home. Vergel. Brenda (where were you?  I
couldn't find you!). SOS and Marty McFly (git down!). The kid with the
cookie monster doll from Chicago whose name I will *never*
remember...you're the bomb!

BEST QUOTE OF THE EVENING: "Wait...where am I?" Prsad.

MOST DUBIOUS QUOTE OF THE EVENING: "People with the tracks, show me where
you're at" MC Charlie B.

BEST SHIRT: Plain t-shirt with velcro patches and velcro letters spelling
"Why am I so fucked on E?"

BEST TRACK: DJ Spark, B-Boys Intergalactic superimposed over gabber.  WTF?

WEIRDEST STAIN ON MY PANTS THE MORNING AFTER: Mustard?!

BEST OUTFIT(S): 3 matching pairs of cow-print funfur pants. =]

COOLEST TOY: Rainbow ostrich puppet with moveable wings. Damn!

BEST 'HO: Yo'mama! (I had to.)


well, I gotta run, but that's all my hazy memory can recall right now.

Luis


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This is a non member submission A friend of mine, I included the her into
the CC header to facilitate easy replies if need be.

I have not adulterated, nor molested this message in any way ;)...

o0o[qiB.]o0o
------------------------------------------------------------------

long ago, I said:

>>> WHAT WE REALLY NEED ARE MORE FEMALE TRACK
>>  PRODUCERS!!!

then husq. said:

>we don't need more of anything accept good producers... affirmative
action has
>nothing to do with creativity or good music...
>
>don't give praise to anyone cause of what they are or who they are...
give
>praise cause they are good...
>
>this is fucking retarded

actually, this is NOT fucking retarded; it's a valid point.  it's not
affirmative action, it's just an effort to represent the other fucking
half of the rave scene.

if 50% of the audience is female, why are only a small percentage of its
performers female?  this is a valid question and i think the problem is
that there is STILL prejudice against women within the scene.  it may
not be overt, but it's there.  there's nothing wrong with encouraging
women to participate in a scene that they are a part of.  they are there
and they want to participate, but they are discouraged by the "big boy's
club" attitudes that run rampant.  fuck a bunch of attitude.  it's about
music, and women have been making beautiful music for years.  it's about
time that our music and our expression is acknowledged and praised as
much as anyone else's.

so there...

         shiva
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Luis \"moo\" Garcia wrote:

> You know, amusingly enough, some of the HH sets at Hulla dipped into dark
> gabbery stuff, which went over surprisingly well with the crowd.  Of
> course, Anabolic Frolic's set was unmitigated cheeze and sugar, but DJ
> Spark's set was all over the map, DJ Slam threw down what sounded like
> gabber without the "fuck you" vocals.  Kinda of a schizo contrast to throw
> into a set, but everybody seemed to like it.
>
> my 0.02
> Luis

I've always wanted to see a party with happy->dark->happy->dark->...
back to back.

Like happycore->dark jungle/techstep (panacea!)->uplifting house->
dark techno->happy trance->deathcore->etc..

Call it "bipolar".  :-)



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hrm...i guess the grass is always greener, eh.  i've never been to an
Arizona party.  but, Phoenix's rep at the moment is far from "vibe-fest"
I greatly enjoyed being back on the east coast this summer, where people
told me how awesome the scene in Chicago must be.  i mean Chicago gets to
hear Bad Boy Bill, Derrick Carter, and DJ Sneak like every other week or
something right?

anyways, there's no hardcore here in New Mexico(although i believe there
was an all hardcore party a few months ago.  musta been a fluke).  maybe
Phoenix gets lots of hardcore dj's. i dunno.  i just wish people would
appreciate all the cool stuff they have sitting right there in front of
them

	paul "its a 7 hour drive to a record store" toastman

On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, jared b griffith wrote:

> it is now becoming like that here...
> the last decent hardcore event here was 13...i heard some dope fucking music that
> night, but Dr. Freecloud's and Chemistry (the people who put it on) lost thier
> fucking asses cuz of Ron's supposed reputation for being "mr. Hate" who can't dj
> for shit....
> i think Arizona is the place for hardcore right now....
> apparantly Ron gets booked there at least once a month, and they love bringing in
> out of town hardcore talent (mostly stateside from what i understand) and they
> don't care what kind of hardcore they play.  From all reports, Phoenix, AZ and
> Arizona in general is very much like how and what made LA a great scene years
> ago.  To all the hardcore dj's try and get in touch with Ron and find out if he
> can hook you up with promoter info for  Arizona.
> 
> PHILFART@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 2/8/99, 3:54:21 PM, djnickel@earthlink.net writes:
> > <<Los Angeles is the capital of the happy hardcore/partycore lovers...
> > you mention people like Fished out here and the go "who? what does he play?"
> > then you tell them and they go "oh that is bad vibe music man.  it's all about
> > Eric L and Dj Paul, they are the best and the vibiest"
> > ack i hate LA!
> > you should hear how much shit gets talked on other types of hardcore out
> > here....especially if you mention Mark N.  People have literally gotten into
> > fights over the whole debate of gabber vs party/happy hardcore.
> > >>
> >  Which is a sad thing because here in the Midwest there's very few occations
> > when there's hardcore....period.
> 
> 
> 



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i thought thee-o played at an outdoor party in minneapolis last summer
they said it was his first midwest now again

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NothingARN@aol.com wrote:

> i thought thee-o played at an outdoor party in minneapolis last summer
> they said it was his first midwest now again

his first midwest apprearance thats complete bullshit....me and eric
warner when we were partners in Network 10 had him spin at Elysium on
7/20/96 and i had him at my party Ezam on 3/22/97....both of which were
held in the southeastern wisconsin area

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>but i wouldn't book her for her looks

Yeah....but I'd still fuck her!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!


OK....I'm done.

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 The first time I saw it I was tripping.
>Krazy!!!\

      everything about this movie unless you've seen it
>tripping.  

Please kids, don't take acid.

Just look what it did to me.   ;P

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 If
>you must use fog machines, don't point them at the crowd. Use them
>tactfully.

Continue bitch mode:

I fucking hate fog machines!!!!!
If this ain't rave related I don't know what is.
Ya know...IMHO... I know that those machines enhance the lighting
effects.....
but usually there is enough cigarette smoke up in a rave to make do.

Please, for the love of whatever you believe in, let tha kids dance in as
little
smoke (be it cig or fog) as possible!!!!!!

It's hard enough for us old fuckers ta out dance all ya young E
swallowin', acid takin',
speed trippin' experimental tikes as it is!!!!!!!!!

Again....IMHO.

Reprazentin' da old school.......

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Ok.. I really don't wanna do this, but since either none of
you attended this, or feel the same way I do.. let me give a
quick overview:

mainroom lineup:

from the flyer...

Blake Baxter
DJ Slip
Roy Davis Jr
Fanon Flowers
Amos
Frantik
Lemon Lyman

this party also had 3 other rooms, a secondary main area
(setup right behind the main stage) for up and coming djs in the
ohio area , a hiphop/d&b room with
a breaker section dividing the small space in two and an
ele-mental hosted ambient room (if this term is appropriate)...

I mainly stayed in the main area most of the night..
(more on the music later)..

space:

generally: it was held in a strip mall on north high st.

specifically: The location was held in a paintball arena.. as of
2:00pm (day of the event) this space was covered with
*LITERALLY* 2 feet of dirt!!!! The promoters did an pretty good
job of sweeping most of it into gigantic piles on the sidelines of
the party, but it was still filthy... I personally liked it, the aesthetic
was different than most events, and the dirt made it easy to
dance (I could slide around without moving my feet ;)... you couldn't
sit down without getting nasty, and the walls were covered with
fresh paint splatches, which ended up fucking my coat up severally ;)... You
were "allowed to tag", but allot of kids had their gear taken
from them at the door.. although I did see quite a few doing
shit once inside (since I'm not a tagger, I have no clue
what was actually up with this).  I could get more specific, but
,like I said, I don't wanna be writing a review right about now ;)..

music:

ok... Jason lyman did a nice set of laid back house.. somebody
needs to kill stardust, because I heard that "music sounds better
with you" track WAY to much this weekend (the remixes are ok,
but hell.. the promoters had that song on repeat for a good hour
before they started up the main area!!_)... either way, I didn't
catch much of this.. I was busy looking for friends and getting
shit taken care of.. Jason is the shit, though,, so I'm sure it went
over well..

Next up was Frantik (aka Larry kleinke/ jenny Haus of AH, MW
net fame).. Nice set, very creative... His arsenal was minimally
composed of a novation drumstation (basically a 909/808 in a
rack mount case), a rack effex unit, a 303/202 combo and
sequenced with an MMT8... good changes, he kept the crowd
pumped.. I'm only sorry he didn't get the chance to hear it
through anything aside from the dinky monitor they gave him
in the middle of his first song.. (larry, it sounded really *really*
good in front of the main stacks ;)...

Next up was fannon flowers, who is one remarkable level
headed individual... He rocked some nice trax but had some
severe problems towards the start of his set (sounded like
technical ones that lead to trainwrecks ect)...

after this, I got lost in a sea of friends I had not seen in
months, so I stopped paying much attention to who/what/where
shit was going on..

slip was good, but didn't watch as much of him as I should have.
Roy davis was double booked, so he didn't play at the the main
party.. D.wynn was supposed to take his place, but I never
did check to see if this was true or not...

A speaker stack fell over in the mainroom near the end of the party
.. nobody was hurt, but I didn't see it or ask to much about the
situation... to quote a friend "twas quite a vibe killer"...

The first after hours didn't happen, roy davis was supposed to play
at this... I slept over at a friends pad, played records and
relaxed past the point for the second after hours (at night, $5)..
Not sure if this happened either...

great party for me, shout outs need to go to handle Paris (sorry we
didn't get to chat longer, my situation at the time was rough ;), his crazy
friend who's name I can't
recall (this kid adds much visual vibe with that fish head hat
of hers ;), Larry
and anybody else that help contribute to the overall feeling of
what was going on... the sound system for all the rooms were
pretty clear.. nice setup.. it just didn't fall together 100%...

time to write trax.. later, y'all...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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ARTIST                    TITLE                       LABEL

Envoy                     Emotional                   Soma

Altitude                  Polarized                   Blue

Sven Vath(Ian Pooley mix) Face it                     Virgin ltd.

The Modernist (J. Burger) Opportunity Knox            Harvest/EMI

Robert Hood               Stereotype                  M-Plant

Boo Williams              Mortal Trance               Residual

Koln                      Kompakt 1                   NTA

Him + Her                 Anti-Static ep (nice title) Spelunk

Arty Gruber (Paul Mac)    Cobalt Nightmare Mixes      Bush

Surgeon                   Basictonalvocabulary        Tresor

Mike Dearborn             Moments                     Djax

Psykofuk                  ?                           Matrix2

John Tejada               The Blue Dawn               7th City

DJ Rush vs. Paul Langley  Analog Showbiz              Predicaments

Chris Jackson             Key Suspect                 Sonic Groove

Purpose Maker (duh)       Vanishing Plot             Purpose Maker

TD5                       Flat 5                      Truck Musik

Underworld (given away)   Kittens                     JBO

Underground Resistance    Infiltrator                 UR


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> 11- Dank
>  omaha, U.F.O.

so i gather he's been freed, then?

hmn.
jd

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 a message dated 2/8/99 8:08:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, MI2dOpecOw writes:

<< Children of the bass
 presents. . . . 
 the 2nd installment of utter dopeness
 
  * Boogie NightS *
 march 27th. 10pm
 Riverboat hallelujah
 3615 tulane
 new orleans LA
 504*837*7930
 
 Main room
 HOSTED BY FERROL
 
 Roy DaVIS JR . . . ON 3 DECKS . . .  CHICAGO IL 
 BML * UNDAGROUND MUZIK THERAPY * x SIGHT * COLDFRONT
 HIS 1ST EVER APPEARANCE IN NEW ORLEANS, ROY DAVIS JR IS GUARANTEED TO BLOW
YOUR MIND WITH HIS PHENOMENOUL 3 TURNTABLE SET. FINISHING OFF HIS TOUR FOR HIS
NEWLY RELEASED DJ MIX CD <WHICH ARE IN STORES NOW> ROY WILL BE BRINGIN HIS
CHICAGO STYLE HOUSE TO THE BIG EASY. 
 
 RICHARD "HUMPTY" VISSION  *la, cali* aQUA bOOGIE
 COFOUNDER OF AQUA BOOGIE RECORDS AND THE 1996 DJ OF THE YEAR, HE IS KNOWN FOR
HIS HARD, THUMPING HOUSE AND HIS COLLABORATION WITH DJ BAD BOY BILL ON THE
HOUSE CONNECTION 1 AND 2 CD'S <IN STORES NOW> IF U MISSED HUMPTY AT FREAKFEST
HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO SEE HIM AGAIN SPINNIN A SPECIAL FUNKY HOUSE SET!!
 
 PISH POSH AKA DJ WALLY   NEW YORK CITY *
 THE RAWKUS * JUNGLE SKY * lIQUID sKY * GEFFEN
 STRAIGHT OUTTA THE KONKRETE JUNGLE....... PISH POSH, ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR
AMERICAN JUNGLE DJ/PRODUCERS IN THE SCENE WILL BE HITTING THE DECKS WITH HIS
HIP HOP JUNGLE MADNESS. PISH POSH IS A CURRENT ARTIST ON JUNGLE SKY AND
RAWKUS, PRODUCING MANY POPULAR TRACKS AS WELL AS A NEW CD "UP JUMPS THE
BOOGIE" HE HAS ALREADY DONE REMIXES FOR THE LIKES OF SOULSLINGER, MOS DEF, FUN
LOVIN CRIMINALS AND THE BEATNUTS. AND NOW HE IS READY FOR HIS 1ST TRIP TO THE
BIG EASY....ARE U RUFF ENUFF???
 
 O'SHEEN  nyc * SNEAKTIP, GROOVALICIOUS, NERVOUS, STRICTLY RYTHM, X SIGHT,
BML, FILTERED RECORDS
 THIS NEW ENGLAND NATIVE TRAVELS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BRINGIN HIS HARD AND
GROOVY HOUSE TO THE DANCEFLOORS. NEVER A DISAPPOINTMENT, OSHEEN IS ONE OF THE
BEST HOUSE DJ'S THAT THE EAST COAST HAS TO OFFER. THIS TIME ON 3 TURNTABLES,
OSHEEN MAKES HIS ONE YEAR REUNION WITH THE NEW ORLEANS MASSIF!! 
 
 KNUGGS AND MC TYGREENO   BATON ROUGE * HOUSTON TX
 PROTOCULTURE, STARKIDS
 ONE OF LOUISIANA'S BEST KEPT JUNGLE SECRETS, KNUGGS IS WINNING THE RESPECT OF
JUNGLISTS ALL OVER WITH HIS DARK AND JUMPY SOUND. A MEMBER OF PROTOCULTURE, A
JUNGLE CREW FROM HOUSTON, KNUGGS HAS SPUN WITH MANY OF THE TOP NAME JUNGLE
DJ'S IN MANY CITIES ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST. ALSO A STARKIDS DJ, KNUGGS WAS A
RESIDENT AT 52, THE MOST HYPE AND SUCCESSFUL WEEKLY IN SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA....
 
 2ND ROOM OF GOODIES. . . 
 
 SPLENDID   BATON ROUGE * WWW.FLYFM.NET 
 JUMPUP . DARK AND AGRESSIVE TECHSTEP AND RAGGA
 
 BLAKE DEE   NEW ORLEANS * cHILDREN OF THE BASS
 UPBEAT JAZZ AND DISCO HOUSE
 
 JARELL   NEW ORLEANS * CHILDREN OF THE BASS 
 JAZZY HOUSE
 
 MYSTIC 101  NEW ORLEANS * c.O.T.B. * LOW PROFILAZ * WWW.FLYFM.NET
 JUMPUP
 
 NLX 5  BATON ROUGE * CHILDREN OF THE BASS
 RAGGASTEP JUNGLE . RUDE BOY STYLE
 
 MYSHTTON1 / MC WILLIS / MC SIKZPAK BATON ROUGE
 DUBSNAKE            <<<MC BATTLE>>>
 JUMPITY JUMPITY ISH....
 
 EAR RINGIN, EYE POPPING, DISCO THUMPING, PIMP SLAPPING, AOUND AND LIGHTING BY
CRESCENT CITY LIGHT AND SOUND
 ** 100 PERCENT DRAMA FREE EVENT .. AGAIN!! .. **
 DAMAGE TO YOUR WALLET...
 20 CLAMS B4 11PM
 23 CLAMS AFTER
 
 c.o.t.b INFOLINE  504*837*7930
 THATS FIVE OH FOUR
 ATE  THREE   SEVEN
 SEVEN  NINE   THREE   OH
 HTTP://WWW.CHILDRENOFTHEBASS.DIGITALJAMS.COM
 
  >>


-----------------
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Subj:	MARCH 27th ~^v^* BOOGIE NIGHTS *v^v~   New Orleans
Date:	2/8/99 8:08:34 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:	MI2dOpecOw
To:	Raverdoll, Houzer420, Zoo foo u, Rave05725
To:	LiLxXtAcEe, JohnD1232, GeoDude23, Epidemyk
To:	Tngring, Blazer17x, HOwSEjuNkE, KrAzyKaZmO
To:	Alyssa303, TrancyBoy, Seven Nut, Veinglory
To:	SubRosa420, ZimmyJM, 1eight7@bellsouth.net
To:	Nesta one, X sense X, DjTrippie1, DJSplendid

Children of the bass
presents. . . . 
the 2nd installment of utter dopeness

 * Boogie NightS *
march 27th. 10pm
Riverboat hallelujah
3615 tulane
new orleans LA
504*837*7930

Main room
HOSTED BY FERROL

Roy DaVIS JR . . . ON 3 DECKS . . .  CHICAGO IL 
BML * UNDAGROUND MUZIK THERAPY * x SIGHT * COLDFRONT
HIS 1ST EVER APPEARANCE IN NEW ORLEANS, ROY DAVIS JR IS GUARANTEED TO BLOW
YOUR MIND WITH HIS PHENOMENOUL 3 TURNTABLE SET. FINISHING OFF HIS TOUR FOR HIS
NEWLY RELEASED DJ MIX CD <WHICH ARE IN STORES NOW> ROY WILL BE BRINGIN HIS
CHICAGO STYLE HOUSE TO THE BIG EASY. 

RICHARD "HUMPTY" VISSION  *la, cali* aQUA bOOGIE
COFOUNDER OF AQUA BOOGIE RECORDS AND THE 1996 DJ OF THE YEAR, HE IS KNOWN FOR
HIS HARD, THUMPING HOUSE AND HIS COLLABORATION WITH DJ BAD BOY BILL ON THE
HOUSE CONNECTION 1 AND 2 CD'S <IN STORES NOW> IF U MISSED HUMPTY AT FREAKFEST
HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO SEE HIM AGAIN SPINNIN A SPECIAL FUNKY HOUSE SET!!

PISH POSH AKA DJ WALLY   NEW YORK CITY *
THE RAWKUS * JUNGLE SKY * lIQUID sKY * GEFFEN
STRAIGHT OUTTA THE KONKRETE JUNGLE....... PISH POSH, ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR
AMERICAN JUNGLE DJ/PRODUCERS IN THE SCENE WILL BE HITTING THE DECKS WITH HIS
HIP HOP JUNGLE MADNESS. PISH POSH IS A CURRENT ARTIST ON JUNGLE SKY AND
RAWKUS, PRODUCING MANY POPULAR TRACKS AS WELL AS A NEW CD "UP JUMPS THE
BOOGIE" HE HAS ALREADY DONE REMIXES FOR THE LIKES OF SOULSLINGER, MOS DEF, FUN
LOVIN CRIMINALS AND THE BEATNUTS. AND NOW HE IS READY FOR HIS 1ST TRIP TO THE
BIG EASY....ARE U RUFF ENUFF???

O'SHEEN  nyc * SNEAKTIP, GROOVALICIOUS, NERVOUS, STRICTLY RYTHM, X SIGHT, BML,
FILTERED RECORDS
THIS NEW ENGLAND NATIVE TRAVELS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BRINGIN HIS HARD AND
GROOVY HOUSE TO THE DANCEFLOORS. NEVER A DISAPPOINTMENT, OSHEEN IS ONE OF THE
BEST HOUSE DJ'S THAT THE EAST COAST HAS TO OFFER. THIS TIME ON 3 TURNTABLES,
OSHEEN MAKES HIS ONE YEAR REUNION WITH THE NEW ORLEANS MASSIF!! 

KNUGGS AND MC TYGREENO   BATON ROUGE * HOUSTON TX
PROTOCULTURE, STARKIDS
ONE OF LOUISIANA'S BEST KEPT JUNGLE SECRETS, KNUGGS IS WINNING THE RESPECT OF
JUNGLISTS ALL OVER WITH HIS DARK AND JUMPY SOUND. A MEMBER OF PROTOCULTURE, A
JUNGLE CREW FROM HOUSTON, KNUGGS HAS SPUN WITH MANY OF THE TOP NAME JUNGLE
DJ'S IN MANY CITIES ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST. ALSO A STARKIDS DJ, KNUGGS WAS A
RESIDENT AT 52, THE MOST HYPE AND SUCCESSFUL WEEKLY IN SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA....

2ND ROOM OF GOODIES. . . 

SPLENDID   BATON ROUGE * WWW.FLYFM.NET 
JUMPUP . DARK AND AGRESSIVE TECHSTEP AND RAGGA

BLAKE DEE   NEW ORLEANS * cHILDREN OF THE BASS
UPBEAT JAZZ AND DISCO HOUSE

JARELL   NEW ORLEANS * CHILDREN OF THE BASS 
JAZZY HOUSE

MYSTIC 101  NEW ORLEANS * c.O.T.B. * LOW PROFILAZ * WWW.FLYFM.NET
JUMPUP

NLX 5  BATON ROUGE * CHILDREN OF THE BASS
RAGGASTEP JUNGLE . RUDE BOY STYLE

MYSHTTON1 / MC WILLIS / MC SIKZPAK BATON ROUGE
DUBSNAKE            <<<MC BATTLE>>>
JUMPITY JUMPITY ISH....

EAR RINGIN, EYE POPPING, DISCO THUMPING, PIMP SLAPPING, AOUND AND LIGHTING BY
CRESCENT CITY LIGHT AND SOUND
** 100 PERCENT DRAMA FREE EVENT .. AGAIN!! .. **
DAMAGE TO YOUR WALLET...
20 CLAMS B4 11PM
23 CLAMS AFTER

c.o.t.b INFOLINE  504*837*7930
THATS FIVE OH FOUR
ATE  THREE   SEVEN
SEVEN  NINE   THREE   OH
HTTP://WWW.CHILDRENOFTHEBASS.DIGITALJAMS.COM


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"i'm a vegetarian, but i eat fish!"

hah.
jd

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*First off, I heard 13 was absolutly wicked!!!!! Not too many people were
there and the ones who went were there cause they loved the music. I wish I
could have gone. :P

*Also, I live in Az, and we don't have a big hardcore scene. But one thing we
good have is GOOD quality talent. And I mean good. These djs are so dedicated
and have an incredible love for the music. Some of our local hardcore and
happycore djs are Nimh,Wishbone,HugEBear, Bittermonk,Deadnoise(who just got
signed with Industrial Strenght....much props!),Ben, and Spitfire. And then
theres me, but i don't play at parties yet. There are a good amount of kids
here who like happycore, and hardcore, but the hardcore scene still doesn't
get the respect and exposure it deserves.
Yeah, Ron is playing here this weekned and then sometime in March I belive.
>From what the flyer says he is playing old skool techno. =)*There aren't too
many promoters out here who will book hardcore djs. Ther are absolutly none in
Tucson, maybe a couple in phx. I am doing an all hardcore/jungle party May
1st, but I'm not a promoter. Just someone who is trying to give ther HC/jungle
scene what it deserves=)

peace ouuuuuut!!~
Lisa*




In a message dated 99-02-08 18:09:50 EST, djnickel@earthlink.net writes:

<< the last decent hardcore event here was 13...i heard some dope fucking
music that
 night, but Dr. Freecloud's and Chemistry (the people who put it on) lost
thier
 fucking asses cuz of Ron's supposed reputation for being "mr. Hate" who can't
dj
 for shit....
 i think Arizona is the place for hardcore right now....
 apparantly Ron gets booked there at least once a month, and they love
bringing in
 out of town hardcore talent (mostly stateside from what i understand) and
they
 don't care what kind of hardcore they play.  From all reports, Phoenix, AZ
and
 Arizona in general is very much like how and what made LA a great scene years
 ago.  To all the hardcore dj's try and get in touch with Ron and find out if
he
 can hook you up with promoter info for  Arizona. >>

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how about alien terminator for worst
thank god i was stoned off my ass otherwise i might remember it

NNOthing

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 The night(with a party i have no idea what its name was): Above a bar 
that i believe was named EOS.. The space looked out over lake michigan 
and had a pleasant vibe going on. I got there kinda late-ish(around 2:00 
or so) and missed most of everything outside of shawn o'donnovan(who 
played some phat records and kinda shocked the crowd by playing a more 
ambient/trance set). It was almost funny, cause it was like the crowd 
couldnt decide on whether to appreciate it or dislike it... But i gave 
it mad props.. After that EVOL came on and finished the night with a 
low-energy rock them out the doors set. MET too many really great 
people(simon,traci,sonya,abbie,taz,lawrence,dave, amongst many many 
others.. Dan(discolicious) threw a really pleasant party, and hope to 
see more of the such in the future...
    Hope everyone enjoyed the pixie sticks and blow-pops...
                             Love to all... 
                                Dan Sharp(0_o)

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>Subject: [mw] $$ SIX-DOLLARS $$ - this friday in chicago!
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>What's up guys.. just wanted to remind you all of our event coming up 
on
>Friday, February 5th.  We've got a solid line-up which is confirmed, 
and
>sure to deliver a BIG bang for your six dollars.  The venue is located 
on
>Lake Michigan, about 15/20 minutes from downtown.  Oh yeah, it's 100%
>bust-free, too.  Cost of admission is only $6, because we're all about 
the
>low-cost with high quality.  So come on down and have a great time!  If 
the
>music is good, we'll all have a good time, right?!  If you attended our
>Halloween party/after-party, then you know what I mean.  Peace guys.  
Call
>312.409.8889 for more information on the day of the event.
>
>Shawn O'donnovan - Dublin, Ireland
>                   With his first US appearance,
>                   he's sure to treat you all
>                   with a suprise!  He plays clubs
>                   in Ireland and all over Europe!
>
>Tyree Cooper     - Chicago, IL
>                   Master of the old school acid
>                   house, brings you the funk, the
>                   whole funk, nothin' but the funk!
>
>Overfiend        - Chicago, IL
>                   Miss Biobooster & Paul Norman
>                   tag-team.  If you have seen
>                   these two in action before, you
>                   know they're too great to miss!
>                   MC Hentai will be performing
>                   with them as the 3rd member of
>                   Overfiend
>
>Paul Anthony     - NW Indiana
>                   Named one of the most talented
>                   up & coming DJ's in Chicago,
>                   prepare yourself to JACK to these
>                   grooves!  He is a Midwest DMC
>                   Finalist, 10 year turntablist
>                   veteran, and winner of the Get Spun
>                   House Competition on 12/5/98.
>
>Daz Jackson      - NW Indiana
>                   Did someone say techno?  Daz did.
>                   In his first Chicago appearance,
>                   he will be sure to impress you.
>                   He's a true favorite in his home-
>                   town and surrounding areas.  
>Urban + 
>Kevin Cunningham - Chicago, IL
>                   Tag-teaming 4 turntables! 
>                   IHR, Moody, UC
>
>Mark Almaria     - Chicago, IL
>                   Not everyone understands house 
>                   music, but Mark really does.  He
>                   is a resident DJ at Dock 5, has
>                   releases on International House 
>                   Recordings, and is part of the 
>                   Abstract Beating System.
>
>Halo             - Chicago, IL
>                   Member of the world renown 
>                   Teamsters, with a bundle of skills
>                   to match.  Moody, IHR
>
>Linus            - Chicago, IL
>                   Member of Newtype+ and Phase One,
>                   Disco house at its best.. an up and
>                   coming Chicago favorite!
>
>Evol             - Chicago, IL
>                   Down with Newtype+ and Ecobase, Evol
>                   explodes the floor with some super-
>                   funky jungle, and a bag of tricks to
>                   go with!
>
>For more information give Discolicious a ring ring @  312.409.8889.. 
Peace
>
>Discolicious Productions, 99 - thanks for your support!
>


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 Ok... Here we go.. o0o[qiB.]o0o pretty much told it how it was.. 
Except.. My take on DJ slip.. I was sadly disappointed by his set.... 
Past that.. He pretty much summed it all up correctly.. Other notes.. 
Towards the start of the night, I was getting ill from the overbearing 
smell of spray paint fumes that had not been vented from there.. But, 
someone(thank god) turned on the air and that problem was delt with. Met 
tons of really great people(TRAVIS!!!).. Wish we had time to talk more.. 
Also Blake BAxter was awesome...Really kept the crowd moving.. The 
security was friendly and moved people in fast, Overall.. The party had 
a nice vibe going.. And outside a few minor flaws in the evening(davis 
not being there,etc,etc) it was a great night...
                                 Love to ALL
                                   Dan Sharp (0_o)
                handle paris=daniel sharp.... :)
              


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>Ok.. I really don't wanna do this, but since either none of
>you attended this, or feel the same way I do.. let me give a
>quick overview:
>
>mainroom lineup:
>
>from the flyer...
>
>Blake Baxter
>DJ Slip
>Roy Davis Jr
>Fanon Flowers
>Amos
>Frantik
>Lemon Lyman
>
>this party also had 3 other rooms, a secondary main area
>(setup right behind the main stage) for up and coming djs in the
>ohio area , a hiphop/d&b room with
>a breaker section dividing the small space in two and an
>ele-mental hosted ambient room (if this term is appropriate)...
>
>I mainly stayed in the main area most of the night..
>(more on the music later)..
>
>space:
>
>generally: it was held in a strip mall on north high st.
>
>specifically: The location was held in a paintball arena.. as of
>2:00pm (day of the event) this space was covered with
>*LITERALLY* 2 feet of dirt!!!! The promoters did an pretty good
>job of sweeping most of it into gigantic piles on the sidelines of
>the party, but it was still filthy... I personally liked it, the 
aesthetic
>was different than most events, and the dirt made it easy to
>dance (I could slide around without moving my feet ;)... you couldn't
>sit down without getting nasty, and the walls were covered with
>fresh paint splatches, which ended up fucking my coat up severally 
;)... You
>were "allowed to tag", but allot of kids had their gear taken
>from them at the door.. although I did see quite a few doing
>shit once inside (since I'm not a tagger, I have no clue
>what was actually up with this).  I could get more specific, but
>,like I said, I don't wanna be writing a review right about now ;)..
>
>music:
>
>ok... Jason lyman did a nice set of laid back house.. somebody
>needs to kill stardust, because I heard that "music sounds better
>with you" track WAY to much this weekend (the remixes are ok,
>but hell.. the promoters had that song on repeat for a good hour
>before they started up the main area!!_)... either way, I didn't
>catch much of this.. I was busy looking for friends and getting
>shit taken care of.. Jason is the shit, though,, so I'm sure it went
>over well..
>
>Next up was Frantik (aka Larry kleinke/ jenny Haus of AH, MW
>net fame).. Nice set, very creative... His arsenal was minimally
>composed of a novation drumstation (basically a 909/808 in a
>rack mount case), a rack effex unit, a 303/202 combo and
>sequenced with an MMT8... good changes, he kept the crowd
>pumped.. I'm only sorry he didn't get the chance to hear it
>through anything aside from the dinky monitor they gave him
>in the middle of his first song.. (larry, it sounded really *really*
>good in front of the main stacks ;)...
>
>Next up was fannon flowers, who is one remarkable level
>headed individual... He rocked some nice trax but had some
>severe problems towards the start of his set (sounded like
>technical ones that lead to trainwrecks ect)...
>
>after this, I got lost in a sea of friends I had not seen in
>months, so I stopped paying much attention to who/what/where
>shit was going on..
>
>slip was good, but didn't watch as much of him as I should have.
>Roy davis was double booked, so he didn't play at the the main
>party.. D.wynn was supposed to take his place, but I never
>did check to see if this was true or not...
>
>A speaker stack fell over in the mainroom near the end of the party
>.. nobody was hurt, but I didn't see it or ask to much about the
>situation... to quote a friend "twas quite a vibe killer"...
>
>The first after hours didn't happen, roy davis was supposed to play
>at this... I slept over at a friends pad, played records and
>relaxed past the point for the second after hours (at night, $5)..
>Not sure if this happened either...
>
>great party for me, shout outs need to go to handle Paris (sorry we
>didn't get to chat longer, my situation at the time was rough ;), his 
crazy
>friend who's name I can't
>recall (this kid adds much visual vibe with that fish head hat
>of hers ;), Larry
>and anybody else that help contribute to the overall feeling of
>what was going on... the sound system for all the rooms were
>pretty clear.. nice setup.. it just didn't fall together 100%...
>
>time to write trax.. later, y'all...
>
>o0o[qiB.]o0o
>
>
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THINNER...the movie based on the stephen king book.....IT SUX
horrible acting......just horrible

its cheeeeeeeeeeSe...and a lot of it 

lol
peeSh
lauryN*

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well at least Ron plays AZ more than he does here....
and 13 rocked ass...i loved the music...
but since i know Ron, i felt shitty cuz of the lack of people....

Bogerty@aol.com wrote:

> *First off, I heard 13 was absolutly wicked!!!!! Not too many people were
> there and the ones who went were there cause they loved the music. I wish I
> could have gone. :P
>
> *Also, I live in Az, and we don't have a big hardcore scene. But one thing we
> good have is GOOD quality talent. And I mean good. These djs are so dedicated
> and have an incredible love for the music. Some of our local hardcore and
> happycore djs are Nimh,Wishbone,HugEBear, Bittermonk,Deadnoise(who just got
> signed with Industrial Strenght....much props!),Ben, and Spitfire. And then
> theres me, but i don't play at parties yet. There are a good amount of kids
> here who like happycore, and hardcore, but the hardcore scene still doesn't
> get the respect and exposure it deserves.
> Yeah, Ron is playing here this weekned and then sometime in March I belive.
> >From what the flyer says he is playing old skool techno. =)*There aren't too
> many promoters out here who will book hardcore djs. Ther are absolutly none in
> Tucson, maybe a couple in phx. I am doing an all hardcore/jungle party May
> 1st, but I'm not a promoter. Just someone who is trying to give ther HC/jungle
> scene what it deserves=)
>
> peace ouuuuuut!!~
> Lisa*
>
> In a message dated 99-02-08 18:09:50 EST, djnickel@earthlink.net writes:
>
> << the last decent hardcore event here was 13...i heard some dope fucking
> music that
>  night, but Dr. Freecloud's and Chemistry (the people who put it on) lost
> thier
>  fucking asses cuz of Ron's supposed reputation for being "mr. Hate" who can't
> dj
>  for shit....
>  i think Arizona is the place for hardcore right now....
>  apparantly Ron gets booked there at least once a month, and they love
> bringing in
>  out of town hardcore talent (mostly stateside from what i understand) and
> they
>  don't care what kind of hardcore they play.  From all reports, Phoenix, AZ
> and
>  Arizona in general is very much like how and what made LA a great scene years
>  ago.  To all the hardcore dj's try and get in touch with Ron and find out if
> he
>  can hook you up with promoter info for  Arizona. >>




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At 11:58 AM -0500 02/08/1999, Ravingrle@aol.com wrote:
> Next... what the f**ck was all that crappy booty house music about and the
> booty house dance contest.. it made me feel like i was in second grade again
> when the teachers allow their students to bring in boom boxes and dance in the
> class room for the end of the year school party - come on, get a clue... we

Now don't be too hard on dotcomm (supplier of the booty).. if anything was going 
to match the mood of that party it might as well have been booty house. Now 
Im not a fan of booty house but I thought he did a good job.. definitely a large
part of the crowd did too.
Funny you made an analogy to a 2nd grade dance though.. I mentioned that to 
Dan on the way back, except I credited the party with a high school
dance status. 

Nitro kicked ass as usual. Always entertaining :-)  

And Dan made me break a sweat.. which I don't do at parties very much
anymore.  yay!  

> 
> The lighting... that sucked too... what the hell was this... hell, i don't

With a small budget party. minimal lighting can be just fine IF you take into 
consideration what you are doing with it.  (what was it... something like 2 
spinning rose doohickies, a small laser, 
and a 4or5 track lighting on the djs)
  for example:
a small K.C. party in  G coffee called Quench (thrown by the now defunct
SkyLabResearch) made use of the back utility 
room as  a 2nd room. They stuck one laser in there with a very dim
light over the dj booth... and that was highly effective. Made your
imagination work more than anything else. 
Jason and Bill always do a good job too when they do their simple
"jungalize" a dj booth and room for a parties here in K.C.
note: sucks that Bill had to leave recently :-(
As for this party:
It was way too bright in there.. and only because the vents from the
few lights they had were allowing unfiltered light to hit  the ultra pure 
white wall behind them which, of course, reflected it and put an ambient
glow all over the place. Solution:
a. don't use em 
b. don't allow ambient lighting.
In the past at our small-ass Manhattan, KS. parties we would wrap
a room in black plastic that you can buy at Walmart for like 7 bucks.  With
that shit you get instant shitty venue enhancement by making the place
look pitch black and kinda like a construction site or something.  Sure
it smells nasty, and you get hot way faster (enter the friend the fan),
but its worth the transformation (IMHO) on a near-hopeless cafeteria-
like venue. 

At 2:06 PM -0800 02/08/1999, Sarah Swan wrote:

> Using Jason's scale, I'd agree with the 0 for Atmosphere.  I'd rate
> the vibe about the same.  It reminded me of a junior high social, only
> with XXX booty action.  If I wanted to see female nudity, I'd save my
> $15 and go to a strip club.  They'd probably have better sound there
> as well.
hehheh
The sound guy had his hands on the board all night.. twisting knobs
and  fiddling... (uh let's counteract what the dj is trying to do) 
 With the nice mixing deck and tall rackmount of e.q.'s, etc. you'd
think it could have had better sound. Somebody back there was
doing something wrong. 
Adam Mertz 
dj n.9

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Subject: [mw] Saturday, February 13th--St. Louis
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:03:32 -0600
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Saturday, February 13th
Superstars of Love brings you:
Love Life

Superstars of Love 5 year anniversary

Once upon a time, in an infamous five bedroom apartment in the Central West
End of St. Louis
Mid-America, a hallucinatng prophet, a dj from Spain, a porno star, a
paranoid schizophrenic, a
teen hearthrob and a family of freaky dreamers with stars in their eyes
embarked upon an eternal
love odyssey endeavour. The vibrations were soon felt across the land. A
magic spell was cast
upon the hearts and minds of all who journeyed from near and far; for thosed
that dared to enter
this world. Tens of thousands of the beutifully bewildered have been and
will continue to be
mesmerizied by the glittery glow of our gala-globular sensation. The
children of the cosmos who've
traveled with us through multiple dimensions of space and time and survived
to see the light will
never be the same. Lives have been changed, rearranged, lost, found, and
concieved. This event is
dedicated to all who have believed in our campaign for infinite love
unlimited. Feel the future.
Lovelife: It's 1999 baby! Join us on our stellar exodus...

Dj's AND LIVE ACTS

FELIX THE HOUSECAT
CLASHBACK recordings- Chicago
This legendary producer of such classics as Fantasy Girl and In the Dark We
Live (I can see the
light) has spun around the world & is set to spin a special set for us.

TOMMIE SUNSHINE
Datacult, Xylophone jones- Atlanta
Heir to the throne of the King of Pop this cult of personality is
unstoppable and the set he has
planned for this special occasion will shock and delight you into
unimaginable emotions.

NITRO + EDUNFLUX = PUMP
Better Days Recording Artist- Kansas City
Celebrate the release of the Disco-Bumper EP Rovking it Live Nonstop
Nitrolium Yum &
Edenflux flexin for real!

JIVE TURKEY
Voted Best New Band in St. Louis Riverfront Times, This Live Funk Phenomenon
will interwine
forces of good and evil to rock blocks, drop cops, and stop clocks in yo'
mofo' groove galaxy!
Aw Yeah!

BODALEG with Chocolate Troy
This hot dj is St. Louis' own rising star creating a sensation with his high
energy house musik and
soulful live vocalist Troy.

RON S
Witness a LIVE PA by Love Generator 94 Alumni dj

ALL TIME HIGH
Dr. Lovestar and Mr. Paradise perform the greatest love songs of the century

PHIL DECKER
Bionic boy taps the Pulse of St. Louis

KEN DUSSOLD
Deep Grooves-My Other Self-Whatever
The Original Omniversal SOL S.I. guy

MARK CHURCHHILL
Savour the taste of his house flavor you raver

DAN DYSPHONIX
Trip Sequence's Techno Rocker steps up to the plate to swing it hard

BOOMER
Deep Grooves electronics repairman educates St. Louis like only a true Old
Schooler can

Jumpstart
B-line Communications VIP Junglist makes his move in the game of 1999

TAEO
Bionic crews heartthrob hunk

DINO
U & ME settin u free with his smooth house grooves

PRIMO
Detroit Stylin funk uncut this kid will rock it

TOKI
Virus Records Dank DJ drops some serious shit

KURT B
Bionic Crews DJ extraordinair Circus 93

KON-E
Check out this shady character cut it up

KOOKIE
Representin da notorius FADED crew thru & true

JACT
An original SOL pillow
down from day One to watch

Beginning @ 9pm and continuing all night long
3 ROOMS OF LOVE........CUPID APPEARING LIVE!
ARGON LASERS & VALENTINE VISUALS
SOUND AND LIGHTING BY STATE OF THE ART

ADMISSION ONLY $15 IN ADVANCE AT:
DEEP GROOVES IN THE U CITY LOOP 726.0300

CONTACT INFO:
SOL: 314.994.1114 or www.superstarsoflove.com
Familiar faces: 314.905.7946
Kindred groove: 314.351.4051


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 09 04:08:29 1999
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OOPS!!!!!!!!!!! And Intensity also represents happycore in Az too....sorry
Gregg!!! (if you are on the list, which I think you are).

Lisa*

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I will be in St. Louis on Saturday.

See ya there?

With a buttload of my KC family.

YAY!!!!!!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 09 04:44:06 1999
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One last addition, Pump up the Volume..

classic... just got done rewatching it on the sundance channel...
got me into pirate radio long ago.. beautiful.. If (by some weird
chance) you have yet to see this movie (hasn't everybody?) check
it out.. cheesy, ya... but a real good sentiment..

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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ok boyz and girls, i werk at a paintball store/arena. and gawd knows most of
my clothes are covered in paint! the easiest way to get paint out of your
clothes iz to of course use stainstick or ne other stain remover. but for the
spots that dont come clean use GOJO,, its a hand cleaner used alot by
mechanics and other dirty hands workers. and whut paintball stores were UH-OH
and Cake held in? ive tryed to talk my friend(the owner of the store) to let
the place be used for a party but due to all the sand and paint everywhere its
not possible now, but in a few months it will all be cleaned out and it iz a
very good place for a party. any promoters interested in the space lemme know
i can get it for dirt cheap!  o yea its in batavia ohio,, close to cincy

being shot in the D*ck hurts
GabE



fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

> specifically: The location was held in a paintball arena.. as of
>  2:00pm (day of the event) this space was covered with
>  *LITERALLY* 2 feet of dirt!!!! The promoters did an pretty good
>  job of sweeping most of it into gigantic piles on the sidelines of
>  the party, but it was still filthy... I personally liked it, the aesthetic
>  was different than most events, and the dirt made it easy to
>  dance (I could slide around without moving my feet ;)... you couldn't
>  sit down without getting nasty, and the walls were covered with
>  fresh paint splatches, which ended up fucking my coat up severally ;)...
You
>  were "allowed to tag", but allot of kids had their gear taken
>  from them at the door.. although I did see quite a few doing
>  shit once inside (since I'm not a tagger, I have no clue
>  what was actually up with this).  I could get more specific, but
>  ,like I said, I don't wanna be writing a review right about now ;)..
>  

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If anyone is selling or knows of someone selling a 909 get back.




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 09 05:03:27 1999
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Wondering if anyone is going to StL for the mardi gras there...and the party.
With all this grandiose talk about the NO party that I won't be able to make
it to.. I was just wondering who (new) I was going to be able to meet..(grin)

Suzi.

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::hypervenelating::  Paul Van Dyk is going to be there?????    
::whimpering::   it's just not fair... why- why do i have to live so far
away????  =(
::bashes head against keyboard::




i heard a while ago that he was only doing one date in the states, and that it
was in NYC sometime last december.
is he performing anywhere else???? ::fingers crossed:::

have a nice day
~n







     where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are sm:)es

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 09 05:39:54 1999
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From: "TOBY M BROSNAHAN" <TMB4@prodigy.net>
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Subject: [mw] Feb 13th--St. Loius--LOVE LIFE--Net Meet
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Hey kids.

YES there will be a net meet this sat....and I think SOL will draw in a ton
of kids, so the meet could be really huge.  I am calling to find out the
venue, the line up and where we should meet.  If all else fails we will do
the water booth thingy and then move from there to a quieter area to chill,
talk, and meet face to face.

If yaz got a camera bring one and we can become famous when Mikee puts us on
the STL-Raves page!

=)


ohhh.....rumor has it this party will be HUGE....so I would go out and get
pre-sale tickets SOONER than later as the price at the door maybe more
or...yikes..they may sell out.  Yeah, there is talk of this around
town....though we will see....not to panic anyone but I want everyone to get
in, have a good time, and save some cash.  It's the girl
scout...er....brownie.....um......boy scout...yeah thats it...the boy scout
on me...er...in me....no.....shit...never mind.....  ;)

Details to come,

Toby

"Yeah....I'm one of those Kindred Groovers....."  but this is NOT one of our
parties...just support'n the scene.

KG HomePage
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don't rule out Rebirth-338.  It comes with two 303's an 808 and a 909.  It's
really easy but it ain't quite like the real thang.  Just a thought.
-----Original Message-----
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>If anyone is selling or knows of someone selling a 909 get back.
>
>
>


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At 12:13 AM 2/9/99 -0500, MustMeetSP@aol.com wrote:

>
>i heard a while ago that he was only doing one date in the states, and that it
>was in NYC sometime last december.
>is he performing anywhere else???? ::fingers crossed:::
>
here is a website with his tour places:
http://www.mfs-berlin.de/paulnews.html

unfortunately he is not coming anywhere remortely close :(
Although miami is looking better and better for spring break with starts
the weekend he will be there, hmm :)
-Jeffz

  -( Subconscious Collective )-
             515-239-4685
-=Next Event:Hope, March 6th=-

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maybe somone out there might come..

---------- Forwarded message ----------
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CIRCLE          OOOOOOO
  OF          O         O 
 LOVE       O   *** ***   O
           O   *********   O 
           O    *******    O
           O     *****     O     
           O      ***      O
            O      *      O
              O         O
                OOOOOOO 
 
CIRCLE OF LOVE
FEB. 12, 1999
CHAMPAIGN/URBANA, IL. 

REN...LIVE PA...CHICAGO
Q DADDY...HOUSE...??????
TETRIC...TECHNO...CHAMPAIGN/URBANA
*DJ IMPACT...HOUSE/TECHNO/BREAKS...RANTOUL
DJ STERLING...LIVE PA...COLUMBUS, OH
DK KOOL AID...HIP HOP...CHAMPAIGN
FIZ...HARDTECH...URBANA
MR. PRESSURE...HARDTECH...COLUMBUS, OH
DJ WIGGLY...JUNGLE/BREAKS...URBANA

*****JUST ADDED TO THE LIST***** 
DJ MIKEY D...DOWNTEMPO/TECHNO/DRUM&BASS...URBANA
MISERY...??????...CHAMPAIGN

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**I EXPECT TO SEE YOU ALL THERE

well kids I'm back with a little news for you
the party will be free at least before 1pm
there will be two setups, upstairs will be downtempo and downstairs will be
hard bangin ass shit including yours truly dj impact with the electro house
and breaks to but the bang on that ass
bring your friends and lets make this thing happen 
sorry i cant tell you the address but it is near campus (real close) so
don't warry about walking a long way hell i'll tell ya it is at 804 W.
Springfield in Urbana but you are the first to know so keep it on the down
low till thursday or friday ok



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Going on Saturday nite, Feb. 13, 1999 in Peoria, IL
for only $3

One

the Nuclear Family brings You 10 djs from 5 cities

Djs:

Tom Smith:Detroit
R. Shryeburt:Detroit
Dank:Bloomington, IL
Web:Bloomington, IL
MikeyD:Urbana, IL
Ryan Miller:Urbana, IL
Joey G:Peoria, IL
Mezmer:Peoria, IL
MoonBoy:Chicago, IL
Equinox:Chicago, IL

plus a Live PA by Distortech

Info.Line: 1.888.665.8714

3 bucks at the door..  10 pm to ??




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i have been reading so much "rave" related bullshit on this list...

...and a lot of us end up gettin in fights over it...

...so heres what i say (are ya ready for this?): how bout we try to define
what the opposite of "rave" is, and try to talk about that for a little...
then we will all be able to read all of that "rave" related bussiness with a
clean slate...

so whatcha' say... who thinks they know the answer?


i am really looking foreward to hearing some peoples ideas!
laters>>>
yo yo "patheticon" slip-disc

***********DETONATE...april 10, 1999...brisk,frankie bones,r.a.w.,
mat+&ericspx******

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In a message dated 2/8/99 6:59:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:
  
>  if 50% of the audience is female, why are only a small percentage of its
>  performers female?  this is a valid question and i think the problem is
>  that there is STILL prejudice against women within the scene. 

it is prejudice in the scene if a girl won't go and buy vinyl on her own or
buy tables of her own? make the effort and shit happens... doesn't matter if
you are a male or a female... 

>  it may
>  not be overt, but it's there.  there's nothing wrong with encouraging
>  women to participate in a scene that they are a part of.  

nothing wrong with encouraging anyone... is wrong when you say we can't book
you cause we need a chick dj, or we can't book you can you are a chick... 

>  they are there
>  and they want to participate, but they are discouraged by the "big boy's
>  club" attitudes that run rampant.  fuck a bunch of attitude.  

i agree... with the attitude... but i don't see the discouragment... promoters
are gonna book who draws and/or who is good... so, if you fit, i don't see the
prob... however, if you don't draw and/or you suck... if there is a reason you
don't get gigs... i would say the draw factor... build a following.... being a
solid dj doesn't cut it anymore, you have to be great and amazing and be very
skillful, especially if you are an unknown

>  it's about
>  music, and women have been making beautiful music for years.  it's about
>  time that our music and our expression is acknowledged and praised as
>  much as anyone else's.

would you rather have your music praised cause it is good? or cause it is by a
female? 

rave scene has become music business.... now we can all experience the side of
rock and hip hop that has existed for years... lots of good talent coming up,
both male and female... but the ones that stand out get recognized... or sadly
enough, the ones who have connections... but, if you don't like the game,
don't play it... start your own label, throw your own parties... stop relying
on others... i usually find shit goes better when that happens

i am gonna say this to piss people off... this is something my mom has sad
often... should women get equal rights if they can't be drafted?  my mom
thought they should be drafted... they can stop a bullet as well as any man

sometimes, i think idealism gets in the way of reality, but sometimes ideas
give us a blueprint for reality... but if you aren't gonna bust your ass for
yourself, why should anyone else....

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At 02:00 AM 2/9/99 -0500, you wrote:

>...so heres what i say (are ya ready for this?): how bout we try to define
>what the opposite of "rave" is, and try to talk about that for a little...
>then we will all be able to read all of that "rave" related bussiness with a
>clean slate...
>
>so whatcha' say... who thinks they know the answer?
>
I have always thought that the opposite of a rave (as a noun) was a club.
Some may say you can have a rave at a club. But something about a dirty
warehouse, an old barn, some forested area just brings out something you
cannot find in the meat market that is a club. I am sure there are
exceptions, there always are, namely places like the The Buzz from what i
have heard, but for the most part raves are for places that want to do
other things than they would do at a club. 
Now as to the spirit of raving, IMHO, i see that the opposite of that is
negativity since to me raving has always been about positivity of self and
spirit.
Just my thoughts,
-Jeffz

  -( Subconscious Collective )-
             515-239-4685
-=Next Event:Hope, March 6th=-

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 09 09:39:01 1999
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[all reples to nucleus@ele-mental.org please]

This is to let everyone know that Anthony "Shake" Shakir has agreed to
play his first live set in almost two years at SNOWED*IN, ele mental's
annual snow party. Brian Gillespie, Paris and Billeebob will also be
there- we couldn't have a snow*party without them. 

Full event info is below. Thanks for your attention.

-Tony Ramos
ele mental chief technical officer

**

from ele_mental comes 

--s n o w e d * i n--

saturday 20 february 99 
columbus ohio

more snow * for those who know

* in tentative order of appearance *

  electroacoustic beats by
* t o d d  s i n e s * ele_founder * 21/22 * residual

  dark drum-n-bass by
* d i v i n e * ele_justus * dayton

  LIVE TECHNO PERFORMANCE by
* anthony "s h a k e" shakir * frictional * 7th city * detroit

  techno & drum-n-bass mayhem from the original snow*crew
* p a r i s * vs jock cousteau * throw * detroit
  & b i l l e e b o b * familiar * throw * detroit

  hard techno destruction by
* s h i v a * goddess complex * indianapolis

  smooth tech-house closedown by
* t h o m a s  j a m e s * residual founder * columbus


* freeze*zone 
  hosted by detroit's funkmaster BRIAN GILLESPIE (twilight 76)
  with ele_mentals monochrome, aramos, amos, angular, watersnout, 
  .placebo., m/c/jones, delcina, deaf school drop-out, and pantshead
* downtempo sounds by lunar and divine
* plus lawrence black & the elusive MCs

* sound installation by daniel meyr gold
  playroom and visuals by aramos & da cru
  event completed by you & a friend

* 10 PM - 7 AM
  $8.00 donation before 12 midnight, $12.00 after 12
  hosted by FIREXIT, 1221 mckinley ave, columbus
  for detailed directions call the table of ele_ments 
  614.470.0929 or consult www.ele-mental.org

**

-- 

Tony Ramos \..... aramos@hyperreal.org ..  tony@studiomotiv.com 855
Chambers Rd. #15 \....... ele mental collective:  www.ele-mental.org
Columbus, OH 43212 /..... Media Watch:  www.hyperreal.org/raves/media/
(614) 297-6352 /... interface . media production . image synthesis

++
e d

www.ele-mental.org



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In a message dated 99-02-08 19:40:09 EST, NothingARN@AOL.Com writes:

<< 
 i thought thee-o played at an outdoor party in minneapolis last summer
 they said it was his first midwest now again >>

Thee-o never showed at Origin last summer......he missed his flight
(or something to that effect) and never made it to the party.

~ Darian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Work like you don't need the money, 
Love like you've never been hurt, 
And dance like no one's watching     :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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>> Saturday 13th 1999 Groovejet, Miami, USA<<

This kinda gets back to an earlier thread. That date in Miami just
happens to coincide with the Winter Music Conference. Paul VD won't be
the only "great" you can see if you go down then. But you'll have a
helluva time deciding _who_ to see that SAturday night! ;-)

-- Robin 

Jeff wrote:
> unfortunately he is not coming anywhere remortely close :(
> Although miami is looking better and better for spring break with starts
> the weekend he will be there, hmm :)

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Looks like a really good show! Why do all these college radio shows each
require some different software to hear it over the Internet?? What ever
happened to Real Audio? 

Just curious,

-- Robin 

Jeff Samuel wrote:
> 
>               N O N S T A T I C   R A D I O
> 
>                Thursdays from 12:30-3pm EST
> 
>              Hosted and Mixed live by Jeff Samuel
> 
> NETCAST: http://www.wcsb.org  ***point Winamp or Audioactive
>                                  to live broadcast link***
> 
> LISTEN LOCALLY:  WCSB 89.3 FM  Cleveland, OH USA

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and.....not that anyone cares.....but its my birthday party to !!!!!
i expect gifts to be numerous and expensive :-)





>On February 13, 1999 Floorgasm Productions brings to us Tranquillity. 
>This event will be held in Dayton Ohio.
>
>Headlining-
>
>Da La Soul
>[Native Tongue / Tommy Boy] NYC
>Performing live at 2 am all the way from upstate NY... Here to putthe
>Potholes in your lawn.  The one, the only.  Plug 1, Plug 2, and Plug
>3...
>
>Soul Slinger
>[Liquid Sky / Jungle Sky] NYC
>Producer, DJ, Musical Genius, and Co-Founder of Liquid Sky.  Carlos
>does it all, and he's coming to blow the roof off with his deep drum
>and bass.
>
>Pish Posh aka DJ Wally
>[Liquid Sky / Rawcus / Geffen] NYC
>A 10 year veteran to the Underground Movement, HIS own label "Samz
>Jointz," a full album "Genetic Flaw," released on Liquid Sky's Label. 
>This busy DJ / Producer is still finding the time to come over and
>play Phat-ass funky drum and bass.
>
>Space Girl
>[EDM Records] Moscow-NYC
>>From Moscow to NYC, the Zen Festival to The Roxy. Space Girl performs
>a live Techno / Trance set that takes listeners on a musical journey
>that  you won't want to miss.
>
>Friction & Spice
>[Cosmic Records] Orlando
>Back again to celebrate the release of their Full-Length CD
>"Explorations." Be prepared for nothing but the best breaks & beats
>Florida has to offer.
>
>2 DJs / 4 Turntables / 1 set
>
>Cyberjive Trevor Lamont
>New Orleans House Teamster's
>Project Dust Traxx God's House Inc.
>New Orleans Lexington
>
>X-ian   R.P.D.
>C.B.S. / Yellow Hypnotic  Yellow Hypnotic / King Funk
>Cincinnati   Cincinnati-Nashville
> 
>Roll-X [Familia/Satellite] Atlanta
>Stan Doublin [Kindred Groove / FUNK Ent.] St. Louis
>Eric D [412 Collective] Pittsburgh
>Professor Keenbeen [Global Friendship Ent.] Indiana
>Nostalgic [Boogie Squad / Floorgasm] Dayton
>Jedeye & Guru [Bounce Theory] Dayton
>Kid K-1 Indianapolis
>
>Doors open at 10 pm
>Main Info line (765) 339-3143
>Floorgasm Productions Inc.
>
>$20 before 1 am  $25 after
>
>Family Support:
>Dayton-Bounce Theory (937) 496-4624
>Cincinnati-C.B.S. (513) 665-6572
>Columbus-Tri-Qud (614) 470-2105
>Cleveland-Teknova (216) 556-2305
>Nashville-King Funk (615) 366-0266
>St. Louis-Kindred Groove (314) 351-4051
>Detroit-Ambassadors Snap (313) 438-2541
>Indianapolis-S.I.N. (317) 895-4546
>
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
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anybody gonna be headin to this thang from the southern part of the midwest
sayt cincy or indy or louisville ????

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twilight
has gotta be the worst movie i have ever seen in my life

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>Future Kill
>
>Worst lighting, script,acting, sound......
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>praise....which is enough to retire on.  ;P
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On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu> 
wrote:
> This is your mw-raves MOM speaking....
> 
> I'm in charge of the food at the mw-raves list party, and if you two don't
> stop acting like spoiled little brats (especially YOU kevin), then once
> you get to the party, I'm putting BOTH OF YOU in a corner to stand there
> and BE HUNGRY and GO WITHOUT ANY DINNER OR BREAKFAST OR SNACKS for the
> entire night... Now behave and act like grownups!

Becky I think you should take a break and not take yourself so 
seriously.  I mean really.  Do you really think we all need a mailing 
list mom?  We're all adults here and I think can manage on our own.  And 
if not, then so be it.  We'll cope.
 
> Here's the thing. you two can stop fighting now, and Kevin, you can stop
> starting shit, since neither of you have volunteered to even HELP ME WITH
> THE FOOD! I don't have an email from EITHER OF YOU in my box, and since
> I'm oraginizing the food stuffs for this event, I know what I'm talking
> about... Why don't you two stop fighting and do something about it, like
> email me asking me what MY PLANS ARE AS FAR AS THE FOOD GOES, and get a
> REAL answer...

I hope the mailing list for this party is becoming more constructive than 
this.  If they want to bring food I would think that would be ok with the 
people throwing the party.  I don't mean to speak for them but it is a 
house party and these things tend to be pretty losely organized, dontcha 
think?

 

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On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Steven J. White wrote:

well, Steven, I first of all, wish you had expressed your felings to me in
a private manner...

second of all, I'm not taking myself seriously at all... the whole point
of my post was a. to get them to stop fighting over something so dumb...
have you seen another post from them since?? no, mission 1 accomplished...
the second point of my post was to get people to volunteer to help out,
instead of fighting unecessarily about it.... guess what? mission 2
solved... and it was done with a tongue-in-cheek manner... It was a joke,
but at the same time, it got the point across.... 

> Becky I think you should take a break and not take yourself so 
> seriously.  I mean really.  Do you really think we all need a mailing 
> list mom?  We're all adults here and I think can manage on our own.  And 
> if not, then so be it.  We'll cope.

more constructive than this??? well, if this mailing list was MORE
constructive than this, then I wouldn't have bothered to step in and
actually say something and pull out the "mom joke" stuff... I personally
don't find it at all constructive to have people fighting over what kind
of food is going to be at a party, and people getting called names and
being called elitist because they choose to or not to eat meat... That's
a lot more destructive than anything.... The kind of post I was responding
to, doesn't do anything to further the unity and "family" feeling that the
mw-raves net party SHOULD be about in the first place... Nor does you
posting a response to me like you did in public.

If you don't want to be "mothered" Steven, then maybe you shouldn't post
something like you did in public, telling ME how I should and shouldn't
behave or what I post is or isn't constructive. That's like the pot
calling the kettle black....

> I hope the mailing list for this party is becoming more constructive than 
> this.  If they want to bring food I would think that would be ok with the 
> people throwing the party.  I don't mean to speak for them but it is a 
> house party and these things tend to be pretty losely organized, dontcha 
> think?


Maybe the people throwing the net party asked for volunteers, and I
happened to volunteer to organize the foodstuff, so that way people don't
bring a ton of food but forget the stuff to cook it with, or in, not to
mention forgetting to bring plates, cups and silverware... I also don't
want everyone to be stuck with too much of one thing, and nothing for
people who don't eat meat, or who aren't vegetarians to eat. I wanted
everyone to be happy and satisfied, and the best way to see to it, was to
organize it myself... If Pete and Mikey had a problem with me or the way I
happen to do thing, I'm sure that they would have said something to me
personally... 

As far as loosely organized, maybe that's the way you see things, but that
doesn't necessairly mean that everyone sees things the same way you do... 
Do you want it to be so loosely organized, so much so that you drag a
crate of records to Urbana/Champaign and then not get the chance to
spin??? Probably not... Well I don't want people to have to drive 3, 4, 8
hours to get there and not have anything that fits their diet as far as
food goes... Organization IS important in these matters, when you're
dealing with 1-200+ people...

I'm sorry you feel the way you do about me or the way I happen to do
things... and again, I wish you would have taken this private... But since
you didn't, I think it's important for everyone to see how I feel as
well...


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra


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Hey whats up all you wonderful peeps!!!

I have this card that I got at a party, and I love what it says...it's
sooo fucking cool!!!

Observe all of these things in yourself.

Love for the sake of loving.
Give for the sake of giving.
Allow people to be right.
Give them space to be where they are.
Let them be exactly as they are.
DO NOT criticize children, adults, 
or any other living thing, that includes yourself.
Remember, life is not a game.
It is just Life.
There are no winners and losers.
DO NOT call yourself either.
Simply BE who you are.
YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL!!!

It's soooo true....You all are really beautiful, simply cuz your human
beings.
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At 12:01 PM 2/9/99 EST, Ravingrle@aol.com wrote:

>It's soooo true....You all are really beautiful, simply cuz your human
>beings.

well not all of us are beautiful. take dica or chrise for instance. heck,
we're not even sure if they're human.

Gip

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i think the midwest scene is dying....its crushing itself with the weight of
its own expectations....

just my 2 cents*...=P

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On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Becky Wangenheim wrote:

> well, Steven, I first of all, wish you had expressed your felings to me in
> a private manner...

Why?  This is a public party, as far as the mw-raves sub'ers are 
concerned, so why not bring it up on the list?  I don't consider what I 
sent to the list a flame.  If I was flaming you the tone of the message 
would have been damned harsh, something akin to a Earache vs. j0sh 
message volley.   ;-)
 
> second of all, I'm not taking myself seriously at all... the whole point
> of my post was a. to get them to stop fighting over something so dumb...
> have you seen another post from them since?? no, mission 1 accomplished...
> the second point of my post was to get people to volunteer to help out,
> instead of fighting unecessarily about it.... guess what? mission 2
> solved... and it was done with a tongue-in-cheek manner... It was a joke,
> but at the same time, it got the point across.... 

Your comments didn't seem tounge-in-cheek at all.  In fact, they seemed 
very much to be chiding the people bitching at each other for bitching at 
each other and not doing what you told them to do, *not* asking them to 
do something.  And when it comes to e-mail lists you can never get 
someone to stop fighting unless they really want to.

[...]
> If you don't want to be "mothered" Steven, then maybe you shouldn't post
> something like you did in public, telling ME how I should and shouldn't
> behave or what I post is or isn't constructive. That's like the pot
> calling the kettle black....

I don't think I was mothering you, Becky.  I was simply asking why you 
thought it was necessary to act like the list's mother when I don't 
believe we need one.  But please don't start a poll to ask if everyone 
thinks we do indeed need one.
 
> Maybe the people throwing the net party asked for volunteers, and I
> happened to volunteer to organize the foodstuff, so that way people don't
> bring a ton of food but forget the stuff to cook it with, or in, not to
> mention forgetting to bring plates, cups and silverware... I also don't
> want everyone to be stuck with too much of one thing, and nothing for
> people who don't eat meat, or who aren't vegetarians to eat. I wanted
> everyone to be happy and satisfied, and the best way to see to it, was to
> organize it myself... If Pete and Mikey had a problem with me or the way I
> happen to do thing, I'm sure that they would have said something to me
> personally... 

I can't speak for Pete or Mikey.  But it wasn't your organizing things I 
was taking issue with but your tone of having to provide because no one 
else would or could.  And if the bitching bothered you then simply delete 
the messages based on their subject header.
<hypocrite>
But I suppose I could have done the same with your message.
</hypocrite>
 
> As far as loosely organized, maybe that's the way you see things, but that
> doesn't necessairly mean that everyone sees things the same way you do... 

Agreed.  But that doesn't preclude me from telling you and the list that 
I wish you would lighten up a bit about trying to be eveyone's mom.  Why 
set yourself up for disappointment (which seems to historically be the 
case)?

> Do you want it to be so loosely organized, so much so that you drag a
> crate of records to Urbana/Champaign and then not get the chance to
> spin??? Probably not... Well I don't want people to have to drive 3, 4, 8
> hours to get there and not have anything that fits their diet as far as
> food goes... Organization IS important in these matters, when you're
> dealing with 1-200+ people...

I've taken records to parties with the promise of being able to play and 
been refused for various reasons enough times in my life that it's no big 
deal.  When it's a house party one has to keep expecations pretty low.  
Which I guess was one of the reasons I responded to what you said in the 
way that I did.
 
> I'm sorry you feel the way you do about me or the way I happen to do
> things... and again, I wish you would have taken this private... But since
> you didn't, I think it's important for everyone to see how I feel as
> well...

And I'm glad you responded to the list.  It seems like people are 
generally afraid of arguments on this list.  As long as things don't turn 
into name-calling then it's perfectly fine to argue a point.  Kind of 
like we're doing right now.

As for how I feel about you, the main reason I brought this up is that 
being heavy-handed and talking to people like they are children never 
does anyone any good, even if the people in question are actually acting 
like children, or maybe I should say acting childish.  It isn't that I 
think you organizing the food for the party is a bad idea or that you're 
a bad person for organizing the food for the party but that wagging your 
v-finger at someone on a mailing list and treating them like children 
isn't necessary.



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ok whoz starting the net meet list?

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A flame-battle between two geriatrics like me. (hi steven & becky)

never thought i'd see it happen. us old farts are usually pretty docile.

:)

arguments can be fun!!

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> well not all of us are beautiful. take dica or chrise for instance. heck,
>  we're not even sure if they're human.

i'll show YOU human!  bend over, beeeeeeeyotch!

jd

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At 12:20 PM 2/9/99 -0500, GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com wrote:
>i think the midwest scene is dying....its crushing itself with the weight of
>its own expectations....
>
perhaps it is dying as we know it now, but is that necessarily a bad thing?
I see lately that parties are getting more vibey, more candyraverish, more
trancey :) To me that is wicked. I noticed when I lived out in SF that
every 4 or so months the scene would "die" and get reborn again into
something much the same yet totally renewed and different. In the sanctity
of my own mind I called this the "Phoenix Effect" and I see that it happens
out here as well but on a much slower scale, perhaps because out in SF you
had 10+ cities feeding into one scene whereas out here you have literaly
hundreds of cities feeding into 30 or 40 "scenes". It takes longer for the
whole effect to happen, but this is just the sociologist in looking at the
greater picture...
love & light,
-Jeffz

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   My posts to Doris were nothing more than a joke that got a little out 
of hand.  Doris and I are are friends, and I'm sorry if this was done in 
bad taste.  Regardless, I think we should drop it.  Becky wasn't out of 
line, she was simply trying to stop a futile flame war before it 
started.

    Kevin

>Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:39:10 -0500 (EST)
>From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
>To: "Steven J. White" <steve@barkingcat.org>
>cc: raving lunatics <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: [mw] mw-party...food....
>
>On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Steven J. White wrote:
>
>well, Steven, I first of all, wish you had expressed your felings to me 
in
>a private manner...
>
>second of all, I'm not taking myself seriously at all... the whole 
point
>of my post was a. to get them to stop fighting over something so 
dumb...
>have you seen another post from them since?? no, mission 1 
accomplished...
>the second point of my post was to get people to volunteer to help out,
>instead of fighting unecessarily about it.... guess what? mission 2
>solved... and it was done with a tongue-in-cheek manner... It was a 
joke,
>but at the same time, it got the point across.... 
>
>> Becky I think you should take a break and not take yourself so 
>> seriously.  I mean really.  Do you really think we all need a mailing 
>> list mom?  We're all adults here and I think can manage on our own.  
And 
>> if not, then so be it.  We'll cope.
>
>more constructive than this??? well, if this mailing list was MORE
>constructive than this, then I wouldn't have bothered to step in and
>actually say something and pull out the "mom joke" stuff... I 
personally
>don't find it at all constructive to have people fighting over what 
kind
>of food is going to be at a party, and people getting called names and
>being called elitist because they choose to or not to eat meat... 
That's
>a lot more destructive than anything.... The kind of post I was 
responding
>to, doesn't do anything to further the unity and "family" feeling that 
the
>mw-raves net party SHOULD be about in the first place... Nor does you
>posting a response to me like you did in public.
>
>If you don't want to be "mothered" Steven, then maybe you shouldn't 
post
>something like you did in public, telling ME how I should and shouldn't
>behave or what I post is or isn't constructive. That's like the pot
>calling the kettle black....
>
>> I hope the mailing list for this party is becoming more constructive 
than 
>> this.  If they want to bring food I would think that would be ok with 
the 
>> people throwing the party.  I don't mean to speak for them but it is 
a 
>> house party and these things tend to be pretty losely organized, 
dontcha 
>> think?
>
>
>Maybe the people throwing the net party asked for volunteers, and I
>happened to volunteer to organize the foodstuff, so that way people 
don't
>bring a ton of food but forget the stuff to cook it with, or in, not to
>mention forgetting to bring plates, cups and silverware... I also don't
>want everyone to be stuck with too much of one thing, and nothing for
>people who don't eat meat, or who aren't vegetarians to eat. I wanted
>everyone to be happy and satisfied, and the best way to see to it, was 
to
>organize it myself... If Pete and Mikey had a problem with me or the 
way I
>happen to do thing, I'm sure that they would have said something to me
>personally... 
>
>As far as loosely organized, maybe that's the way you see things, but 
that
>doesn't necessairly mean that everyone sees things the same way you 
do... 
>Do you want it to be so loosely organized, so much so that you drag a
>crate of records to Urbana/Champaign and then not get the chance to
>spin??? Probably not... Well I don't want people to have to drive 3, 4, 
8
>hours to get there and not have anything that fits their diet as far as
>food goes... Organization IS important in these matters, when you're
>dealing with 1-200+ people...
>
>I'm sorry you feel the way you do about me or the way I happen to do
>things... and again, I wish you would have taken this private... But 
since
>you didn't, I think it's important for everyone to see how I feel as
>well...
>
>
>-Becky =)
>
>wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
>http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra
>
>



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Jeff wrote:

> At 12:20 PM 2/9/99 -0500, GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com wrote:
> >i think the midwest scene is dying....its crushing itself with the weight of
> >its own expectations....
> >
> perhaps it is dying as we know it now, but is that necessarily a bad thing?
> I see lately that parties are getting more vibey, more candyraverish, more
> trancey :) To me that is wicked. I noticed when I lived out in SF that
> every 4 or so months the scene would "die" and get reborn again into
> something much the same yet totally renewed and different. In the sanctity
> of my own mind I called this the "Phoenix Effect" and I see that it happens
> out here as well but on a much slower scale, perhaps because out in SF you
> had 10+ cities feeding into one scene whereas out here you have literaly
> hundreds of cities feeding into 30 or 40 "scenes". It takes longer for the
> whole effect to happen, but this is just the sociologist in looking at the
> greater picture...
> love & light,

Exactly-- I've noticed (even though I haven't been in this scene for
all *that* long) that it seems to be cyclic.  It'll go through a "peak" and
then it'll hit a sort of stagnant point and then it'll go up towards another
peak again.

This is fairly normal for human endeavors: people work really hard and
make something happen, then they enjoy it, then they get lazy and it
decays, so then they notice that they're getting lazy and they start
working harder again.. and so on.  (My grades are like that :-)

BTW, from what I've seen it is my opinion that "rave" culture isn't
going anywhere anytime soon, and will probably become (at least in
some form) a permanent fixture of modern society.  It's extremely
diverse, flexible, dynamic, and taps into some deep human desires
that have been mostly unfulfilled in our society up until now.  Perhaps
technological civilization has found it's tribal rhythm.  :-)



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> i heard a while ago that he was only doing one date in the states, and that it
> was in NYC sometime last december.
> is he performing anywhere else???? ::fingers crossed:::
> 

dosen't PvD have a once a month residency at a club in new york now???

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> I have always thought that the opposite of a rave (as a noun) was a club.
> Some may say you can have a rave at a club. But something about a dirty
> warehouse, an old barn, some forested area just brings out something you
> cannot find in the meat market that is a club. I am sure there are
> exceptions, there always are, namely places like the The Buzz from what i
> have heard, but for the most part raves are for places that want to do
> other things than they would do at a club.
> Now as to the spirit of raving, IMHO, i see that the opposite of that is
> negativity since to me raving has always been about positivity of self and
> spirit.
> Just my thoughts,
> -Jeffz

I agree.  I've been to a lot of parties that were held in clubs, but the club
atmosphere pervades.  You know, you travel hours to a city where you don't really
know a lot of people, you get there and all of the local cliques have already
staked out their usual corners and don't look a bit open to a stranger (a word
that shouldn't exist in a rave) coming over.  Parties in clubs lack that feeling
of complete equality of stature that I've always loved about good parties.

Mage


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It's every other month at Twilo.

- Chad Sommer

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	> i heard a while ago that he was only doing one date in the states,
and that it
	> was in NYC sometime last december.
	> is he performing anywhere else???? ::fingers crossed:::
	> 

	dosen't PvD have a once a month residency at a club in new york
now???

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On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Kevin Robbins wrote:

> 
> 
>    My posts to Doris were nothing more than a joke that got a little out 
> of hand.  Doris and I are are friends, and I'm sorry if this was done in 
> bad taste.

well, now that i look like an ass (once again) i'd just like to mention
that i was just as surprised about the content of the original message as
everybody else.  not that that's of any importance, and i'd really like to
end this whole thing right here, so ok, that's it, enough.

> Regardless, I think we should drop it.  Becky wasn't out of 
> line, she was simply trying to stop a futile flame war before it 
> started.
> 

i agree that we should drop the original battle, but i also think the
discussion that's emerging from it (between becky and others) is really
important, especially since it's about a point i meant to bring up (i have
a big long letter to becky in my 'postponed msgs' folder that i didn't
have the balls to send [i have a lot of those...], and no it's not about
food).  i prefer to keep what i have to say to becky private, but i would
like to see what other people have to say about this, if anybody even
cares to take it any further.  but nobody probably does, so i'll just stop
talking now.....


**doris**


traumatic tendonitis
just what i need the day before derrick may comes to town to play
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> 
> well, now that i look like an ass (once again) i'd just like to mention
> that i was just as surprised about the content of the original message as
> everybody else.


ok after this we can drop it.

just pretend that in my previous message there's an apology to everybody
inserted right after that sentence  =)


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> At 12:20 PM 2/9/99 -0500, GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com wrote:
> >i think the midwest scene is dying....its crushing itself with the weight of
> >its own expectations....
> >
> perhaps it is dying as we know it now, but is that necessarily a bad thing?
> I see lately that parties are getting more vibey, more candyraverish, more
> trancey :) To me that is wicked. I noticed when I lived out in SF that
> every 4 or so months the scene would "die" and get reborn again into
> something much the same yet totally renewed and different. In the sanctity
> of my own mind I called this the "Phoenix Effect" and I see that it happens
> out here as well but on a much slower scale, perhaps because out in SF you
> had 10+ cities feeding into one scene whereas out here you have literaly
> hundreds of cities feeding into 30 or 40 "scenes". It takes longer for the
> whole effect to happen, but this is just the sociologist in looking at the
> greater picture...
> love & light,
> -Jeffz

This is oh so true.  When people scream, "The scene is dying!!", this to me is
really people's innate fear of change.  They are afraid of the fact that the
scene is changing (constantly), and are afraid that the result might be something
that isn't what they want.  This really bugs me because they could actively do
something to make sure that it evolves into something good with all of the good
values of old recast into the light of the present and ready to keep changing
with the future.  I've been going to parties for about 4 years now, and since day
one I've heard these complaints.  However, the facts remain that the parties
continue to happen, the music continues to inspire, and people continue to have
fun (mostly, but mostly's always been the case).  I hate when I hear people say
they quit raving, or are going to quit, because they are unsatisfied with the
current "state of the scene".  Well, shit, by quitting they're not doing a damn
thing to help it!!!  I think that if they stuck around and did everything they
could show good vibes to the nujacks (this is very important) and idiots that
they'd feel even better about it when it was happening the right way because it
would be more of a personal satisfaction knowing that the reason we have (and
hopefully will have) a good thing going on is partly because of them.

Mage


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	::

	::


	network 23 and  spice rack present

	<bold>ROCMUZIK? </bold>:BIG BEAT:NU SCHOOL BREAKS:DRUM'N'BASS

	(ie - *body*rock music)


	thursday:feb:11th:99 . columbus, ohio


	featuring a VERY special 

	guest dj spot from 

	metamorphic/resdiual

	recording artist...


	<bold>[ TITONTON DUVANTE ] </bold>| metamorphic/resdiual recordings 

	bringing back the haiku drum'n'bass style on tha 1's and 2's.


	<bold>[ KEVY KEV ] </bold>| the big beat breakcore badboy

	droppin tha BIG, phat beats for your BIG, phat ass.


	<bold>[ POPPA HOPP ] </bold>| the karmageddon beat destroyer

	just back from the europa music conference in paris.


	::


$3 before midnight and $4 after

( flyer has a misprint on admission price )

18 and over welcome. doors open at 10pm



<bold>ROCMUZIK?</bold> will take place at CHELSIE's

980 north high street ( at 2nd ave ) in the short north of

columbus. ohio (9 blocks south of ohio state)


for a map check out: http://www.rocmuzik.com/chelsie'sMAP.html


	::


	MORE INFO: 614.780.8044


	FUTURE <bold>ROCMUZIK?</bold> OUTBOUNDS: feb 25th, feat. /
<bold>VERGE</bold> (drum'n'bass).


	<bold>*please* </bold>check out http://www.rocmuzik.com 

	for event updates, dj profiles, underground news 

	and 12" reviews from the realm of the broken phunky beats.


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:::::::::::::::::::

ANGULAR PRODUCTIONS presents the next in an
ongoing weekly for the subculture

--SYMBIOSIS--

tuesday 9 february 99
columbus ohio @ the smiling rhino 1726 north high st.

... this week featuring ...

     :: m i k e   f i l l y
	( cleveland - peacefrog:ferox:sublime:resdiual)

	respected internationally for his work on the purveyors
	of fine funk project with dan curtain as well as his work
	some some of cleveland's most prominenet clubs, mike will
	be returning to columbus for the first time in almost a
	year to deliver a special 2 hour set of house and techno.


     :: j e f f   p o n s
	( columbus - pcp productions:rocmuzik? )

	always a crowd pleaser, jeff will have tthe dance floor
	shakin as he drops his own brand of jackin funky filterd house.


  10 PM - 2 AM
  $4.00 @ the door
  @ the smiling rhino 1726 north high st.
  smiling rhino is located between newport music hall
  and insomnia coffee shop on osu campus

:::::::::::::::::::

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> At 12:20 PM 2/9/99 -0500, GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com wrote:
> >i think the midwest scene is dying....its crushing itself with the weight
of
> >its own expectations....

when i said this i meant it as an overall view of what happened with the BIG
OVERALL MIDWEST SCENE....you dont see as many kids that travel and go to the
bigger events anymore....its more localized.....because everyone was expecting
too much out of things...that and the kids now just arent as hardcore and
couldnt fathom going over 100 miles for a party....and the old kids that used
to just dont have the time anymore...

i dont really like it like that but thats how it goes...throw a party? not on
my budget or time schedule....=P i just go.....i dance...i dont bitch
constantly about how the party sucks although nine times out of ten it
does...ive learned not to expect jack shit out of the scene anymore....i just
miss things...thassall....

i remember going to parties and seeing kids from all over the place go....its
not like that as much anymore....every now and then you have a bigger event
that pulls kids from everywhere...but its hard to do that with party prices
going up (cuz of the prices to book djs have went up no thankz to paul morris
that nerd)...and with so many people throwing events the same night in
different cities...you just dont see any unity among promoters, kids, anything
anymore on a widescale in the midwest....

=P

just my two cents on this one
lauryN*


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whew! just got the bug out of my server this morning and
i am proud to announce that those that are planning on
attending the net.party can now register on-line. it is
still kind of beta-ish, but i think it will do. 

http://csclub.stthomas.edu/~johnc/netparty.html

it looks best on ie 4 or better, so do try to use that.
netscape 4 is ok. but anything older than 4.0 will look
like crap :> (style sheet, baby!) it should still work, though.

i will try to work on the name voting stuff when i have time.

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looks nic john....    only problem is that im the only one in the
database..  =(    

maybe you shoudl add a comments section too ???   =)     leave evil notes
for teh almight web.master  =) 

-mikeyD


> 
> whew! just got the bug out of my server this morning and
> i am proud to announce that those that are planning on
> attending the net.party can now register on-line. it is
> still kind of beta-ish, but i think it will do. 
> 
> http://csclub.stthomas.edu/~johnc/netparty.html
> 
> it looks best on ie 4 or better, so do try to use that.
> netscape 4 is ok. but anything older than 4.0 will look
> like crap :> (style sheet, baby!) it should still work, though.
> 
> i will try to work on the name voting stuff when i have time.
> 
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yer not the only one oh MikeyD...me and Tad are there too  :)

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In a message dated 2/9/99 6:56:59 PM GMT Standard Time,
z941820@oats.farm.niu.edu writes:

<< dosen't PvD have a once a month residency at a club in new york now??? >>

Twilo every other month.  Feb, April, June...

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me toooo

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>yer not the only one oh MikeyD...me and Tad are there too  :)


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Lauryn writes:

> and with so many people throwing events the same night in
>  different cities...you just dont see any unity among promoters, kids, 
> anything
>  anymore on a widescale in the midwest....
>  

tru dat tru dat tru do dat dat dat

every seems to be out to top eachothers events and no1 wants to werk together 


<insert two fiddy here>

Gabe

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At 03:48 PM 2/9/99 -0500, you wrote:
>looks nic john....    only problem is that im the only one in the
>database..  =(    
>
>maybe you shoudl add a comments section too ???   =)     leave evil notes
>for teh almight web.master  =) 
>
looks real nice, wish i could learn how to do them web thingies :) A
suggestion though not sure if this is possible, be nice to have people
grouped by state, for ride sharing, etc.
love & light,
-Jeffz

  -( Subconscious Collective )-
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aw or even better the classic indy trick of throwin parties on the same
night in the same city !

iySyS



>Lauryn writes:
>
>> and with so many people throwing events the same night in
>>  different cities...you just dont see any unity among promoters, kids,
>> anything
>>  anymore on a widescale in the midwest....
>>
>
>tru dat tru dat tru do dat dat dat
>
>every seems to be out to top eachothers events and no1 wants to werk
together
>
>
><insert two fiddy here>
>
>Gabe


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> >maybe you shoudl add a comments section too ???   =)     leave evil notes
> >for teh almight web.master  =) 
----
hah! 
i am already subscribed to mw-raves, i don't need anymore crappy mails.

> suggestion though not sure if this is possible, be nice to have people
> grouped by state, for ride sharing, etc.
----
just fixed it :>
it was supposed to do that in the first place, but i missed one bit of codes.

for those just wanting to check the list of people, go to

140.209.83.98/job/net_report.cfm

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Hey look at that Gip who knows wut the hell he is...

JaMeS


>well not all of us are beautiful. take dica or chrise for instance. heck,
>we're not even sure if they're human.
>
>Gip
>
>


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Hey party kidds Please pass this info to every one.
We decided on it to late so we only had 500 flyers passed out so now we are
counting on word of mouth.
Thanks Jay from Dayton...


Planet Red
Friday Feb. 12th
Doors open at 10pm  dance till you drop
Two rooms of sound
Great lights and sounds to raise the roof
Large heated venue.
$10.00 before midnight    $15.00 after
discount for out-of-state travelers or w/canned food for the needy

With DJ's:
Mike Donovan
DJ Quantum
Jedeye
Guru
DJ Buddy Lee
More DJ's TBA

Peace/Love/Unity/Respect
Directions:
>From the East (Columbus) Take I 70 west to exit #59 in Springfield. Get back
on highway on the same exit and follow the road that leads to the right off
the on ramp. The party is on the right at the Armory.

>From the West (Dayton & Indy)
Take I 70 east toward Columbus to exit #59 in Springfield. Get back on the
highway on the same exit and follow the road that leads to the right off the
on ramp.
The party is on the right at the Armory.

info line (937) 443-7773

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dammit.

I lost your e-mail address.

mail me or call me. 

andrew


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unfortunately... due to LARGE amounts of mis-information I must make this
reply public... there are sooo many "facts" wrong in your review that I
am forced to correct them in a public forum....

let me start by saying that I am in NO WAY affiliated with Raw Power
productions... I was merely hired as a DJ for "All About the Love"...

now on to your post...
>OK - first off, i would like to say that i have been extremely 
>impressed with 1 (one) party that was held in Omaha since July 4,
1998... that party 
>was PLUR as for this party... here goes my story...

there have been 5 parties since July 4th... they were "Return of the
Candy Raver", "Stepback", "Preview", "Blast" and "PLUR '99".  There are
e-fliers and paper fliers to document all of these.  As well.... there
have been 2 parties (Conception and The Big Bang) thrown by Omaha
promoters in St. Joseph, MO.  That is 7 parties in as many months. Please
keep informed if you wish to criticize Omaha in public forum.

>
>to start off with, i got the directions written down off the computer 
>(I won't mention this person's name)... however, this person's
directions 
>absolutely SUCKED... please, please learn to give better directions...
this comes 
>from a GROUP of ravers that have traveled to many, many different states
and 
>cities to go to many, many different events... also, communication
helps... 
>we got to the party after looking for it forever and found out that
there was 
>actually a map point that we were supposed to go to first so that we
could buy 
>wristbands for the event... what kind of crap is that??? i even had a
friend that 
>made it to the map point and there was no one there so she had to drive
around 
>for 1 hour looking for the party....

wow... seeing as how only ONE person posted directions this has to be a
tricky one to figure out.  I offered directions on the list at the last
minute as a service to out-of-state ravers who were wishing to attend.; 
The promoters did not ask me.  i did it because I knew they were not
subscribed to the list.  I posted the directions by memory late friday
night before I was informed of the map point.  I was at the door when you
arrived and may I point out that you had NO PROBLEM paying for entrance
at the door as did nobody else that skipped the map point.  As you are a
raver that has traveled to many different states, may I ask why it is you
did not call the info line on the day of the event?????  You were in town
and had the paper flier.  

>second off, i guess that i should have guessed what the party was 
>gonna be like after reading off the name of the venue... Cow Patty's
(what kind 
>of crap is that???) ... come on now, you guys are from the mid-west ...
but, 
>we need to do some kind of justice to our scene and have a party
someplace 
>besides a place called Cow Patty's...

yer complaining about the name of the venue??????  this is a first for
me.  Why not comment on the isolation of the venue and the lack of a
bust?  I don't think the name of a venue is a legitiamte critique.

 > now, the music... YUCK - it sucked  needless to say
>up until 3:00 when the party went off the hook - thanks to Dan 
>Deliverance bringing the east coast flava... everyone could tell that
the East 
>Coast has some of the best DJs in the United States... in fact, between
the east 
>coast and the west coast, there aren't many other DJs that can even
compare 
>(even in their wildest dreams)... anyways... thanks to all the DJs that
spun 
>after Dan Deliverance... you made the party come to life and kept my
friends 
>moving for the rest of the night... unlike the DJs that made us wanna
cry before 
>that... 

the fact that you said this on a MIDWEST mailing list makes me wonder
about your geographical prejudice.  Your lack of recoginiton for ANY
midwest DJ leads me to believe that your entire basis for critiquing a DJ
is his home state.  Let me point out to you that PLUR '99 feartured ALL
midwest DJs.  And ummm.... Dan Deliverance spins techno a style of music
the midwest knows nothing about... oh except for the fact that we
ORIGNATED it.

>
>Next... what the f**ck was all that crappy booty house music about and 
>the booty house dance contest.. it made me feel like i was in second
grade 
>again when the teachers allow their students to bring in boom boxes and 
>dance in the class room for the end of the year school party - come on,
get a 
>clue... we don't need girls showing their asses for $30.00... i have guy
friends 
>that could have showed their asses and won that money, but they were not

>allowed to...

I got sooo many positive responses to my set that I wonder if you even
went to the right party.  When the booty contest started, Nitro tapped me
on the shoulder and said, "Man, it took a pack of girls to get them to
stop moving."  That is the single BEST review I have ever recieved.

>oh, and please get a clue... spinning CDs does not really involve too 
>much talent and i think that Josh Wink song was out in oh, let's see 
>1994...

first off... two CD tracks were played while you were there... both were
dropped by DJ scream and they were his original tracks.  Second.... your
comment about not requiring any talent proves you have no clue of what it
takes to DJ.  Matching a beat on a CD and matching a beat on vinyl
requires the same skills.  And third.... since when does the age of a
song make a difference.  People were screaming when Scream dropped that
track.
 
Anyways... this is one the MOST wreckless and WORTHLESS reviews of a
party I have ever seen on this list.  If you wanna be critical that is
fine.  But please have legitimate complaints based on FACTS.  

peace and love...

-pm-

DJ .com

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having digested the last few days of posts, thought i'd take a moment to
offer an introduction.  allo, i'm xenon.  my rave experience is essentially
deciphering a 4/4 beat somewhere in the vast expanse of nature and vibing
to it.  by myself.  i come from a really independent modus operandi, rave
culture is really the first thing having more than two people involved that
i have ever wanted to be apart of.  i may not currently have a valid
opinion on the state of the mw scene but i've got a maniacal quantum stew
on the burner.  if anyone in the cleveland area wants to adopt me (at least
appropriately introduce me to the scene) i'd be chronically grateful.
also, some of y'all might be amused by a recent review i did..

ridululous texts courtesy of=20
   } xenon.txt {:

	Whilst dissecting a global blend of drum&bass visionaries, I blanked out.
Subsequently, my consciousness has been rerouted through what appears to be
the Cleveland Clinic. =20
	An unfinished symphony of traditional Indian strings, flutes, veena,
rabab, and sarangi is being pumped into me through IV.  I feel woozy, as if
coming out of chemotherapy or coma induced by overdose on herbal ecstasy.
	Assorted monitors bearing the Anokha logo flicker in patterns of jungle
consistency, and the reverb is a stereophonic smattering of tablas and
tinny drum rolls.  Loops of digitized information and a host of vocalists
whir like the Massive Attack crew circa Protection on a spiritual journey
in Bengal.  The "Mombasstic" ceremony frees me from my karmacoma with an
injection of mutantrumpet.
	My doctor's name is Talvin Singh; he says I am going to be OK.  He has
funky hair spiked with Cookie Monster blue and patches on his smock that
say Bjork and Sun Ra amongst others, signifying the luminaries with which
he has previously performed aural surgery.
	As the ward seems coordinated by his wizardry, I distinctly sense his
interfacial link with the Anglo-Indian zeitgeist.  The concept of musical
fusion becomes nebulous because, like jazz-jungle sampling prodigy Amon
Tobin, the mix is seamless.
	The bloke from Cornershop checks me out and sends me, "down the hallway
and to the left; take a right towards building H."  The hospital bracelet
on my wrist says "Talvin Singh: OK - 86%."
	In the corridor a pregnant woman in a wheelchair glows through open
lacerations, acting as an open metaphor for the Mother Gaea.  As the double
bass solo surrounding her gives way to a radiant string quartet, her eyes
flash: left - Ursula, right - Rucker.
	Two fellows wearing hoodies embossed with the silver/green 4 Hero logo
resume transporting the poet.  They whisper in Brit-toned label-speak about
upcoming Reinforced drum&bass releases.
	They are interpreting one of Two Pages.  In their presence, the Clinic
soundloop is brandished with a harp and backdrop of MOR breakbeats.  Note
to self: due to cliched r&b indulgences yet delectably lush strings,
consider slipping this score in with the Yoga Zone comps you are giving Mom
for the holidays.
	"Spirits are in transit," says one producer to the other as he flips the
page.  I pass the trio and take a pipecleaner turn into the skywalk.  The
organic acoustics of the cedar-lined, flora-decorated hallway have given
way to a complex convergence of reflective cement and contemplative glass.
	An omniscient rush comes through me and I take a quick techstep over to
the window.  The synergism (a la Captain Planet) of astrology, cosmology,
theology, and technology resonates in wake of 4 Hero.  I glance at my
wristband and, in my momentary transcendence, the words have morphed into
"4 Hero: Two Pages - 82%."
	The feeling subsides as a robotically-enhanced man walks past talking of
the Drake Equation: "=85by mathematical law there should be ten thousand
civilizations, at our level of technology or above, in this galaxy alone." =
=20
	From the corner of my eye I see coming from the other direction a German
appearing to be the incarnation of Conan's sidekick Andy genetically
spliced with a rhinoceros - post-nazi hellfire in his eyes, spiked labret
protruding from his lip.  His stature resembles the trashcans he
mercilessly beats for his percussion-driven compositions. =20
	'CYBERSPACE HAS BEEN MACED,' flicks on my mental screen.  This "Menhater,"
whose self-described "hate-core-terror-step" music is at least as serious
as the Y2K bug, takes two thunderous steps and, with 300 kilos of force,
tackles me through the glass. =20
	I am "Airborne" and cannot help but feel that "Death is Near."
Infinitesimal shards of glass digitize at 9.8 gigabytes/sec2 as we plunge
three stories. =20
	He coordinates the prismatic debris to permute at varying degrees of
gravity and time, creating the effect of pointedly orchestrated beats.
Gothic-Electro steam exudes from every orifice of his face.
	We crash through the windshield of an under-passing pickup truck, creating
the most Twisted Designz.  The "Quantum Loop" around my wrist displays
"Panacea: Twisted Designz - 92%."  My hard drive is permanently reformatted.


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Plus resident DJs:
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April, 1999:

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just to correct my own mistake real quick...  i now see what you were
saying is there has only be 1 party that you were impressed with... I'll
take that one back... the rest stands.....

*still shaking his head over the eat coast/west coast comment*

-pm-

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>>but i wouldn't book her for her looks
>
>Yeah....but I'd still fuck her!!!!!!!!!
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>OK....I'm done.
>
>TRUNKout 
>ILL BASS PRODUCTIONS
>(The "Chicago branch" of MO BASS...the jungle in KC)
>


SHUT UP, Doug, you would not!!!!!!!

Crystal

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I think DJ Dot Com has a point.
And I totally think most party reviews on here are Biased.  Like people only
talk there friends up, and put down everybody else.  It's kinda sad some peeps
are shady like that :*(  And if you got something real to complain about you
should make it constructive criticism... not just "DJ so and so sucked."  :-P
that's stupid.
Still LUV U all,
xoxo
-Lisa

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Okay, after some serious thought and reconsideration, I've giving up the
organizing the food. I'm getting too much resistance about me organizing
it, so if someone else wants to organize that part of the party, email me
and I'll mail you my list of volunteers...  It's not worth all the shit
I'm getting from people about it... Not to mention the fact that I'm not
gonna be there until
late on Saturday night anyhow. I'm sorry Pete and Mikey, to leave this
part of the party up in the air like this... 

I've been doing some thinking about other stuff too, but I want to take
some time to think about what and how exactly I want to say what I have to
say before I do it...


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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In a message dated 2/9/99 12:17:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
roman511@netusa1.net writes:

> >It's soooo true....You all are really beautiful, simply cuz your human
>  >beings.

and the hippies return after seeing "the 60's" on nbc... 

go fuck the elephant man, or the dogboy twins... and tell them they are
beautiful...

words are meaningless

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<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>Okay, as many of you already know, I am organizing the net meet 
for Tranquillity in Dayton (2/13).. From what I understand, the party 
is being held at the flea market off of I-75 where Bass Reaction, 
Channel Jive, and countless other parties have been held.. The 
doors open at 10:00 PM...

	To be added to the list, e-mail <bold>elemental77@juno.com</bold>. Do 
not send requests to this address as they may be inadvertently 
deleted. 

	Any suggestions on meeting times and locations would also be 
greatly appreciated.   


	So far, the list I have so far looks like this:

	

Gabe (GNM3744@aol.com)

Amanda (<bold><color><param>C000,C000,C000</param><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>methylamine@yahoo.com</bold><color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>)

<bold><color><param>C000,C000,C000</param><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>azurensis@hotmail.com


</bold><color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>	Like I said above, if anybody has previous knowledge of the 
venue and would like to suggest times and places, let me know.. 
Thanks in advance...

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Hi i'm a 16/m from Minnesota, and well NONE of my friends are into techno 'er
raves...but i WANNA GO TO A RAVE SO BAD!  And all the kids at my school are
HICKS! no one likes "technoie" kinda music, everyone just listens to either
rap or country, it sucks, but yeah i wanna go so baddddddd

my life sucks

-Depressed lil one

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i heard a rumor that Family Werks is getting JVC involved with this party!!!
is htat true?? does that mean itll suk?
Love ya all
- Joe

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> THINNER...the movie based on the stephen king book.....IT SUX
> horrible acting......just horrible
> 
> its cheeeeeeeeeeSe...and a lot of it 


great book, though.  

Russ




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On Thursday, February 11, 1999 Clubhead Records brings you

LIFT at Club DV8, featuring:

IAN POOLEY, Frankfurt Germany

for more information, please call the YumYum line: 513-648-9647

Club DV8 is located at 1120 Walnut St., in Downtown Cincinnati



-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 SiteRep078@aol.com wrote:

> > well not all of us are beautiful. take dica or chrise for instance. heck,
> >  we're not even sure if they're human.

wait a minute! i look like chris!
fucker!

> 
> i'll show YOU human!  bend over, beeeeeeeyotch!
> 
> jd
> 

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-Walt Whitman


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On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, eric wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 SiteRep078@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > > well not all of us are beautiful. take dica or chrise for instance. heck,
> > >  we're not even sure if they're human.
> 
> wait a minute! i look like chris!
> fucker!
> 
You look like a light bulb! bend over!

> > 
> > i'll show YOU human!  bend over, beeeeeeeyotch!
> > 
> > jd
> > 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
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> Ah from a little child,
> Thou knowest soul how to me all sounds became music
> 
> -Walt Whitman
> 



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>And I totally think most party reviews on here are Biased. 
>-Lisa

I will say it again...then add it to my sig.

"All opinions are based on personal experience, which is completely in
the eye
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>so whatcha' say... who thinks they know the answer?
>

Um....going to tha movies?

How about sleep, or reading a book.

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i think the midwest scene is dying....its crushing itself with the 
weight of
its own expectations....

just my 2 cents*...=P

The scene won't die, but people will.
IF THEY DON'T SHAPE THE FUCK UP AND BE GREATFUL 
FOR WHAT THEY GOT!!!!!!!

I'll fuckin' kill ya myself!!!!!

PLUR

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 Do you really think we all need a mailing 
list mom?  We're all adults here and I think can manage on our own.  


I completely disagree!!!!!
With all the whining and bitching and moaning!!!!!!

We definitely need a mother (yes, I said WE).

I'll be yer daddy.

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>>It's soooo true....You all are really beautiful, simply cuz your 
>human
>>beings.

Fuckin' hippies!!!!

Go eat a steak.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!


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>A flame-battle between two geriatrics like me. (hi steven & becky)
>
>never thought i'd see it happen. us old farts are usually pretty 
>docile.
>
>:)
>
>arguments can be fun!!
>
>j-Sun

You wanna fight mother fucker!!!!!

I'm old!!!!!!

I call you out.....I'll see you in St. Louis in pay-per-view!!!!!!!!

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>I'm old!!!!!!


yeah you are

>
>I call you out.....I'll see you in St. Louis in pay-per-view!!!!!!!!


ooh oooh oooh that one I wanna see.....I got money on trunk

dylan 
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I think ppl in the midwest just need to chill out and quit worrying
about trivial things. i.e fashion/music tastes. If we could all just
CHILL DA FUCK OUT i think that would do a lot for the scene. Besides,
what have we got to prove? Nothing. Just dance and smile. That's the key
to a succesful scene.

- Jens 

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ok...after a weekend of heavy rave action, i've finally gotten around to
writing a review :P

this is only the 2nd hulla i've made it to (also went to the one with sy &
unknown last april), and it leaves me with the same thoughts as
before...that most of the midwest will never know a real rave if it lands
on their head.  hullabaloo is what it's all about.  thousands of crazy
ravers, all dressed up (funfur stock prolly lept 15 points last week :P),
whistles blowing, arms flailing, screaming, face painting, just going
totally nuts.  even spark showering pyrotechnics!!  *this* is what a rave
should be.  probably what a lot of us pictured it being before we ever went
to one.  hullabaloo may be the last remaining bastion of true ravedom this
side of the atlantic.

after riding up there friday nite (big up the cinti kidz for hookin my
broke ass up w/a ride), and finally seeing electric circus (hehe!) and some
spanish cartoons, we set out to bop around downtown tizoh for the day.
there was a maple leafs game right next door to our hotel so it was pretty
busy down there.  checked out some of the shops on yonge st...it kills me
to see all the porn shops dropped right in with the other stores and
stuff...hehehe.  ah i won't bore u lot with the details - to make  a long
story short, i hooked up with some ottawa friends and made it to the party
around 11:15.

the international centre was a BEAUTIFUL space for a rave - about
2034732987 times more beautiful than any space that a promoter still
harbouring illusions of a "rave underground" would use.  as soon as we
walked in (very little problems with the wait) we heard happy hardcore in
the main room.  sounds of the euphonic and smithy i believe.  AND UNTIL 8AM
IT WAS ALMOST ALL HAPPYCORE!!!!!  hahaha.  why i even bother still going to
parties around here is beyond me.  every set was wicked (even anabolic
frolic's, for pete's sake!?) - dj slam dropped about an hour of happycore
anthems, slipmatt absolutely tore the place DOWN with one of the top sets
i've ever heard.  freaky flow and the triple mic homicide attack of
trigger, flipside and charlie b rinsed it out like nobody's bizness.  spock
changed things up a bit with a dash of rotterdam here and there.  i can't
even get in depth about everyone's set because the music was just beyond
words all nite.  just like the last time i was up there - the ravers were
so loud u could hardly hear the music at points!  whistles EVERYwhere.  and
when slam dropped devotion original, i swear i could hear everyone singing
along.  good god.  why am i even trying to explain this?  if you were there
- you know how incredible of a night it was.  if you weren't - go to the
next hullabaloo.  april 17 innit.

i just can't say enough good things about this event without sounding like
a gushing moron.  smiles everywhere.  this is how it was always meant to
be, if you ask me.  all the kids that take themselves so seriously need to
hang up their gangsta dreams and pretension manuals for a nite and get with
the total raved out silliness.  it could do them some good.  despite any
shortcomings chris may have as a dj and/or person, he is throwing the best
damn parties in north america.

i would also like to say that u.s. customs can SUCK A DICK.  on the way
back, they detained us for over an hour.  insisting that we had drugs, when
we did not.  tore the car apart, were total fucks to us, and even gave a
couple of us scrotum-cupping patdowns.  the only reason we got to leave was
cos some dude got shot on the ambassador bridge.  heh.  btw who knows what
"scoop" is?  cos we sure as fuck didn't - yet they insisted we should.  hm.

see everyone april 17...tho i'm going back to TO on 2.27 for sy & demo :9~~~~



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 forget sliced!!"
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Happy b-day to me..As of 2-9-99, i turn 26.. Im old now...And happy...
           Everyone email me and say something nice...!!!
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GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com wrote:

> > At 12:20 PM 2/9/99 -0500, GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com wrote:
> > >i think the midwest scene is dying....its crushing itself with the weight
> of
> > >its own expectations....
>
> when i said this i meant it as an overall view of what happened with the BIG
> OVERALL MIDWEST SCENE....you dont see as many kids that travel and go to the
> bigger events anymore....its more localized.....because everyone was expecting
> too much out of things...that and the kids now just arent as hardcore and
> couldnt fathom going over 100 miles for a party....and the old kids that used
> to just dont have the time anymore...
>

I recently went over 500 miles for a party.

I live in Cincinnati and I've been to Chicago, Detroit, and Toronto
3 times.

Is that hardcore enough for ya??? :-)

Of course, I only bother going long distances if I don't think I'm
gonna be disappointed.



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whos fightin?
uhh im confused
- Joe
In a message dated 2/9/99 9:15:24 PM Central Standard Time,
ddorrell@hotmail.com writes:

> ooh oooh oooh that one I wanna see.....I got money on trunk

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>           Everyone email me and say something nice...!!!

Fuck you ya old fart!!!!!!!

When you turn the big 3-0, come talk to me.

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I've driven from north of kc to denver...666 miles...almost
dylan
strung out productions
*the love party*
feb 26 1999
lawrence kansas


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    Ouch....
                   Love to all...
                     'cept TRUNK.. who gets a piece of coal
                         (0_o)  Dan Sharp
>>           Everyone email me and say something nice...!!!
>
>Fuck you ya old fart!!!!!!!
>
>When you turn the big 3-0, come talk to me.
>
>TRUNKout
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grrrrr....ok....yo..im talkin bout the newer kids...not people who have been
around for a gazillion years....i talk to kids who are in their first year of
partyin and they couldnt imagine going that far....

shit yo.. as long as we are talkin bout goin far for a party....i been to
freakin LA for a party..didnt drive but i flew out to san fran and took a bus
to bakersfield to meet up with friends so i could go to this party...lol....

been in a car all the way from memphis to louisville to dc just to go to a
party....(eheheheh that was fun...didnt drive myself...just was along for the
ride for the latter part of the trip...was fun)

went from memphis to lexington to cincinnati to philly for a party before
too....=P (same on that one..didnt drive myself for the last leg of the trip)

the things i do to hear music never cease to amaze me....lol...but ahhhhhh the
memories*

peeeSh
lauryN*

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Michael Knight wrote:

> i would also like to say that u.s. customs can SUCK A DICK.  on the way
> back, they detained us for over an hour.  insisting that we had drugs, when
> we did not.

Michael, next time use the Jedi Mind Trick on them:

"These are not the ravers you want"

haHA!

But seriously, those mugs dont play, so I never try to play with their feeble
minds. Actually, maybe they are not so feeble, just so stoned that they are
insanely paranoid. I have been through US customs in Detroit over a dozen times
and never had too much trouble, despite coming home from some real benders,
something I chalk up partly to having the right warddrobe: loafers, semi-casual
slacks, preppy sweater, and some horn-rimmed glasses. A preppy dad outfit. An
outfit that asks, "scrabble anyone? pictionary?".

You definitely dont want to take drugs back through US Customs..."but officer,
these are AMERICAN drugs" wont work and no matter what the quantity, you might be
facing International Drug Trafficking charges...personally, I would rather be
facing murder charges.  My 2 pennies... happy trails chipmunk ravers, venn


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Happy B-Day 

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...an internet company called exit23b is giving away free shares,
yahoo did the same thing when they set up

go to the site:  http://www.exit23b.com/  for
your application to be processed then enter the email address of
the person who referred you, my address is gprompt@engin.umich.edu.
Good Luck, it looks like a no-risk deal!

peace
gary g

p.s. sorry for non-rave content, just delete this if you don't care ;)



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GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com wrote:

> grrrrr....ok....yo..im talkin bout the newer kids...not people who have been
> around for a gazillion years....i talk to kids who are in their first year of
> partyin and they couldnt imagine going that far....

Heheh... I'm in my first year of partyin' and I've put over 10,000
miles on my car in 3 months.

Sorry, just continuing to contradict.  :-)



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> along.  good god.  why am i even trying to explain this?  if you were
> there - you know how incredible of a night it was.  if you weren't -
go 

Man, you said a mouthful... I think a lot of the mw kids who went to
this are foregoing the reviews because they don't want to sound cheesy
and gushy with all the blubbering about absolutely fucking ASTOUNDING
it was, but even moreso because it's futile to try to impress on
someone else the magnitude of what was felt at this party.

> knows what "scoop" is?  cos we sure as fuck didn't - yet they
insisted 

"Scoop" is GHB.  The act of consuming GHB is sometimes called
"scooping."

> see everyone april 17...tho i'm going back to TO on 2.27 for sy &
> demo :9~~~~

Hmm, got room for one more? ;)


PRLU,

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old ass Dan writes:

> Happy b-day to me..As of 2-9-99, i turn 26.. Im old now...And happy...
>             Everyone email me and say something nice...!!!
>                            Love to all
>                              Dan Sharp
>              "The boy in blue, who always has candy"
>                   (0_o)
>  

gawd damn man i didnt know you were 26,well 25! i think you told me but i
fergot.

i feel like a kid again :p
Gabe

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While we're on this movie kick, I thought I add my two cents.  I just saw A
movie tonight called Office Killers with Carol Kane, Molly Ringwald, and
Jeane Trippleton(that hot psychiatrist from Basic Instinct who gets her
panties ripped off by Micheal Douglass!).
It is odd and for me- the odder the better.
Check it out kidz!
willebear@mindspring.com



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hey i'm the dude that's depressed cuz i have no one to go to the rave
with..and SOMEONE SEND ME A EMAIL but i accidently erased it, whoever u are,
please email me again thanks!


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Check out this movie called " head of the class ".. It just doesnt get 
any stranger.. Movie about some telepathic guy with a huge head and all 
these other mutant types... Gonna need years of therapy after seeing 
this one...
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one of the kids i went to hullaballoo with wrote this, i thought it was
pretty  =)

i don't think i wanna comment on the party, but 2 things that kept on
running through my mind (and i mean over and over and *over*) were "this
isn't a party.  it's a RAVE!" and "this is what raves were meant to be
like."  that pretty much sums it up for me.

those were my own thoughts.  here's what he had to say:

---------- Forwarded message ----------

<flashback>

ohmygod...
...the hardcore...the trance...the house...the pants...
...the smiles...the tears...the hugs...the cheers...
...the looks...the moves...the hearts...the grooves...
...the suckers...the soothers...the lovers...the smoochers...
...the lights...the sound...the beats...all around...

</flashback>



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>Is that hardcore enough for ya??? :-)
>
>Of course, I only bother going long distances if I don't think I'm
>gonna be disappointed.

i think lauryn was referring more to the way things "used to be"..."back in
the day", it was not uncommon to drive 3+ hours 2 nites in a row to
different locations each weekend.  in fact, it was almost a foregone
conclusion that you would be.  there were just never enough parties on the
same nite - so everyone would go to the city where the party was.
nowadays, there's always at least one party in chicago and two or three
somewhere else in the region, every weekend.  so who's gonna travel?  ppl
just aren't accustomed to it anymore...and those of us that were, have
"grown up" a bit too much to be fucked to still travel much.

i honestly must say i miss the days where you'd see the same kids from 10
different cities every weekend, in a different town than the last.  but
there's no way in hell i'd have the money/time/energy to keep up with it
now.



****************************************************************************
dj michael knight                            |  michael@hardcorps.org
american cheese productions, ohio USA        |  michael_614@hotmail.com
...keep tingz happy...                       |  ICQ #27890270

"happy hardcore is the best thing since a whole loaf of bread!!
 forget sliced!!"
                                           -dj phil of free art!!

"there's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line."
                                           -oscar levant

"it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
                                           -derrick carter
****************************************************************************



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>i honestly must say i miss the days where you'd see the same kids from 10
>different cities every weekend, in a different town than the last.  but
>there's no way in hell i'd have the money/time/energy to keep up with it
>now.
>
I remember when you could spend one weekend in Indy, the next in Columbus
and the next in Chicago and the next in louisville or detroit and every
weekend you'd see the same people dancing next to you... (particularly if
you had 'special spot' like in front of the speaker).  Now I always feel
like I'm surrounded by Highschoolers..  (not that I mind this as long as
they are dancing).

tad




>
>
>****************************************************************************
>dj michael knight                            |  michael@hardcorps.org
>american cheese productions, ohio USA        |  michael_614@hotmail.com
>..keep tingz happy...                       |  ICQ #27890270
>
>"happy hardcore is the best thing since a whole loaf of bread!!
> forget sliced!!"
>                                           -dj phil of free art!!
>
>"there's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line."
>                                           -oscar levant
>
>"it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
>                                           -derrick carter
>****************************************************************************
>
>
>
>


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so a brawl it is!!!
trunk's gonna get whooped by one of dem Kentucky boys!!
ass-kickin' valentine's day!!

forget the plur, we want violence!

we are the superstars of HATE!!!


;)



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michael mccusty wrote:

> >Is that hardcore enough for ya??? :-)
> >
> >Of course, I only bother going long distances if I don't think I'm
> >gonna be disappointed.
>
> i think lauryn was referring more to the way things "used to be"..."back in
> the day", it was not uncommon to drive 3+ hours 2 nites in a row to
> different locations each weekend.  in fact, it was almost a foregone
> conclusion that you would be.  there were just never enough parties on the
> same nite - so everyone would go to the city where the party was.
> nowadays, there's always at least one party in chicago and two or three
> somewhere else in the region, every weekend.  so who's gonna travel?  ppl
> just aren't accustomed to it anymore...and those of us that were, have
> "grown up" a bit too much to be fucked to still travel much.
>
> i honestly must say i miss the days where you'd see the same kids from 10
> different cities every weekend, in a different town than the last.  but
> there's no way in hell i'd have the money/time/energy to keep up with it
> now.

Yeah, I've tried going to parties out of town once every weekend for a
long period of time.  It really eats at your car/bank account/energy
level.  I absolutely had to take a break after a little while (although it
was fun).  The culture has gotten bigger and so you don't have to
travel as much to get your "fix."

BTW, I've often tried to figure out just what is so addictive about the
rave experience (not the drugs, the music/atmosphere/vibe).  One
interesting hypothesis came to me when I read that most of the music
played at raves has a beat that partially mimics the sound of the human
heart as heard from inside the whom.

This brings to mind an interesting question: is music a drug?  Are we
a bunch of beat junkiez?

Well, music does change brainwave patterns and mental states, and it
is capable of inducing intense experiences.  Anyone who has ever
danced all night in a trance (without drugs) can attest to the fact that
this experience even had a psychedelic quality.  The attunement of
your brain to the rhythm coupled with the endorphine high from
exercising continuously produces an altered state of consciosusness.

It's interesting that the way ravers talk about music sounds like the
way druggies talk about drugs... "I need some jungle/trance/house/etc."
All this music is similar yet different, just as all drugs are similar yet
different.  I've noticed that while if you go to too many raves you get
"burnt out," if you go a long time without going to one at all it feels like
something is missing.

Just rambling purposelessly.  :-)



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Tad wrote:

> >i honestly must say i miss the days where you'd see the same kids from 10
> >different cities every weekend, in a different town than the last.  but
> >there's no way in hell i'd have the money/time/energy to keep up with it
> >now.
> >
> I remember when you could spend one weekend in Indy, the next in Columbus
> and the next in Chicago and the next in louisville or detroit and every
> weekend you'd see the same people dancing next to you... (particularly if
> you had 'special spot' like in front of the speaker).  Now I always feel
> like I'm surrounded by Highschoolers..  (not that I mind this as long as
> they are dancing).

Well, every once in a while there seems to be a big event that draws
everyone.  I saw soooo many friends of mine from the midwest at
Hullabaloo 9 (all the way in Toronto!).  Other parties with similar draw
potential have been Bonkers!, Family Affair 4, etc.

BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct, I wonder what the big
outdoor raver festival that *everyone* attends this year will be?



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     Ummm, Further?  Just a guess though.
     
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> 
> BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct, I wonder what the big
> outdoor raver festival that *everyone* attends this year will be?
> 

errr...furthur?


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I've heard rumor that Brian still plans to go ahead with FA5 this year. We'll see.

Furthur will rock. As usual. Fuck yeah!


The big surprise, though:

DreamFest + Interstellar Outback = Interstellar DreamFest

late summer '99


:)

time to get excited.


doris wrote:
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> >
> > BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct, I wonder what the big
> > outdoor raver festival that *everyone* attends this year will be?
> >
> 
> errr...furthur?

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>BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct, I wonder what the big
>outdoor raver festival that *everyone* attends this year will be?

says who?  there was a promoter meeting in columbus awhile back to start
planning on FA5, wasn't there?



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At 11:24 AM 2/10/99 -0500, jason clark wrote:

>The big surprise, though:
>
>DreamFest + Interstellar Outback = Interstellar DreamFest
>
>late summer '99

is it gonna happen, jason? please please please say it is. for those of you
who missed Dreamfest last year...sorry for your luck. jason did a hell of a
job with dreamfest and for me it was the best outdoor fest of the summer!
if i had to pick only one outdoor fest to go to this year it would be the
Dreamfest one. 

you all must go to Interstellar Dreamfest this year. the gods will be happy
with you if you do. 

Gip
ps...jason do i get a free t-shirt now?   ;-)

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There is going to be Rave'em and Bail-E 3 July 23,24,& 25th in Central
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---jason clark <jason@strangeloop.nu> wrote:
>
> I've heard rumor that Brian still plans to go ahead with FA5 this
year. We'll see.
> 
> Furthur will rock. As usual. Fuck yeah!
> 
> 
> The big surprise, though:
> 
> DreamFest + Interstellar Outback = Interstellar DreamFest
> 
> late summer '99
> 
> 
> :)
> 
> time to get excited.
> 
> 
> doris wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct, I wonder what the big
> > > outdoor raver festival that *everyone* attends this year will be?
> > >
> > 
> > errr...furthur?
> 
> -- 
> _______________________________________________________
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> Next Events:
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> An Evening with Dubtribe: March 26, 1999, Louisville
> _______________________________________________________
> 

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Just formally dropping a word to let you know I'm back on the list!!!!!!!
xoxo!

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>Tad wrote:
>
>> >i honestly must say i miss the days where you'd see the same kids 
>from 10
>> >different cities every weekend, in a different town than the last.  
>but
>> >there's no way in hell i'd have the money/time/energy to keep up 
>with it
>> >now.
>> >
>> I remember when you could spend one weekend in Indy, the next in 
>Columbus
>> and the next in Chicago and the next in louisville or detroit and 
>every
>> weekend you'd see the same people dancing next to you... 
>(particularly if
>> you had 'special spot' like in front of the speaker).  Now I always 
>feel
>> like I'm surrounded by Highschoolers..  (not that I mind this as 
>long as
>> they are dancing).
>

I feel you, brother!!  I know just what your saying and I'll always miss
those days and I'll always love my kidz....  BTW -- there's a reason you
feel like you're surrounded by highschoolers......(it's 'cuz you ARE!!!!
scary, huh??)

miles of smiles,
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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, jason clark wrote:

> I've heard rumor that Brian still plans to go ahead with FA5 this year. We'll see.
> 
> Furthur will rock. As usual. Fuck yeah!
> 
> 
> The big surprise, though:
> 
> DreamFest + Interstellar Outback = Interstellar DreamFest
> 

Thats what I am saying!

Outdoor events I plan to fest at:

Furthur (I mean, its a required course for all mw-ravers right?)
Ravem and Bailey 3 (why not?  I have a friend or two playing there)
Interstellar Dreamfest (beautiful name.  Mose potential of the lot?)

why do i use so many '?'?

who cares?
Adam?



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Interstellar Dreamfest!!!!  Yes, yes, give me more!  Dreamfest was the most
awe inspiring event I have ever attended.  If you missed it, I couldn't
begin to describe the wonder of the Harvest Full Moon Gathering known as
Dreamfest.  For those curious as to what you missed, check out the reviews
at www.strangeloop.nu Then Judge for yerself.  There is a huge surprise in
store for Interstellar Dreamfest....I'm not telling....you'll have to
torture me to get it out of me...(insert sadistic laugh).  You will never be
the same after you've done the Dreamfest.  See everyone there!

:Live well, Laugh often, and Love much,
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>At 11:24 AM 2/10/99 -0500, jason clark wrote:
>
>>The big surprise, though:
>>
>>DreamFest + Interstellar Outback = Interstellar DreamFest
>>
>>late summer '99
>
>is it gonna happen, jason? please please please say it is. for those of you
>who missed Dreamfest last year...sorry for your luck. jason did a hell of a
>job with dreamfest and for me it was the best outdoor fest of the summer!
>if i had to pick only one outdoor fest to go to this year it would be the
>Dreamfest one.
>
>you all must go to Interstellar Dreamfest this year. the gods will be happy
>with you if you do.
>
>Gip
>ps...jason do i get a free t-shirt now?   ;-)


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michael mccusty wrote:

> >BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct, I wonder what the big
> >outdoor raver festival that *everyone* attends this year will be?
>
> says who?  there was a promoter meeting in columbus awhile back to start
> planning on FA5, wasn't there?

Hrm... I could have sworn that after all the bullshit at FA4 that I heard
there was not gonna be another one.  I hope they have better security
at the next one to prevent all the bullshit from occuring again.



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In a message dated 2/10/99 1:10:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
willebear@mindspring.com writes:

> Jeane Trippleton(that hot psychiatrist from Basic Instinct who gets her
>  panties ripped off by Micheal Douglass!

is it just me, or has he done that in a lot of movies? he did it to demi moore
in disclosure too... 

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Stan Doublin wrote:

> There is going to be Rave'em and Bail-E 3 July 23,24,& 25th in Central
> Wisconsin.  There is over 160 djs from all over the world.  Info line
> Tribal Brothers @(608) 827.0501


not to bash on the party or anything (especially since a few of my friends
are playing and i'm planning on going) but what's the difference between
that and all the diy systems at furthur?  tribal bro's put the names on
the flyer.  anything else?  no.  so i don't really see why they're hyping
their event by  the sheer number of dj's in attendance.

but then again what do i know...
**doris**


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> BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct, I wonder what the big
> outdoor raver festival that *everyone* attends this year will be?

family affair is gone? thank fucking god... 

well... i put my money on further, like i always do... er try to anyway...
however, some other outdoors events to check out this year will be dreamfest
and interstellar outback (it might go off this year from what i have heard, it
almost went off last year but they did that free party in detroit with system
instead)

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In a message dated 2/10/99 11:19:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jason@strangeloop.nu writes:

> The big surprise, though:
>  
>  DreamFest + Interstellar Outback = Interstellar DreamFest
>  
>  late summer '99

hmmm... well... that kinda sucks... both are good events... why combine them?
... you are depriving us of one more good party of the year... you bastards!

however... none of you will see me til further, i am the hermit! and after
further... it will be maybe.. um... well either nye, or the next further!

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for each Pleazure event we choose 7-15 addresses to send FREE passes  from our
mailing list of Pleazure members.  The selection was to take place on Feb 15,
however our crew will be in NOLA for ZOOLU, so we will select the names and
addresses on Thurs Feb 18, so if you do not already have a Pleazure card:
******or of you have a Pleazure card and you have moved, please update us with
your new address...
please e mail (to:  pleazure@mindspring.com) and PLEASE include your snail
mail addy (thats either a house, apt or PO Box) and you will be added to our
mailing list as well as receiving a FREE 1999 Pleazure card which is good for
reduced admission, VIP entry lines, free giveaways or entry into events for
FREE (each promotion will outline benefits of card).

****NOTE:  the 1999 cards are currently being printed as we wanted to
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will be a 2 week delay between e mailing your address and receiving the card.
(and they are BAD ASS BTW  :)

BENEFITS on upcoming events:
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If for some reason you do NOT get your Pleazure card in the mail before this
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"Connected" with Richie Hawtin, show your Pleazure card and recieve free
giveaways and VIP entry line (everyone likes a shorter wait  :)

Pleazure info 770-492-0912
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last labor day weekend i went to dreamfest and i must say it was the party
of the summer for me (beat out furthur by far)...  the people whose land
it was on are SO NICE!  plus the central illinois townfolk who came out of
the woodwork for this were amazing...in fact i saw a couple of them in st
louis when i trekked down there in nov... 
the land where dreamfest was held was simply amazing...beautiful beautiful
beautiful spot...enough space for everyone...enough resources for
everyon....swimming...great friendly security...    

ill DEFINATELY be there this year ....   you all shoudl not miss this...

-mikeD
Rural.AmeriKa
217.353.5111

ps.  much props go out again to jason clark for setting it up and making
it go off....please bring the dance.therapy session back...that beyond
made my weekend.



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> Hi i'm a 16/m from Minnesota, and well NONE of my friends are into techno 'er
> raves...but i WANNA GO TO A RAVE SO BAD!  And all the kids at my school are
> HICKS! no one likes "technoie" kinda music, everyone just listens to either
> rap or country, it sucks, but yeah i wanna go so baddddddd
> 
> my life sucks
> 
> -Depressed lil one
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is this for real? :>
where are you at, kid?

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, doris wrote:

> > There is going to be Rave'em and Bail-E 3 July 23,24,& 25th in Central
> > Wisconsin.  There is over 160 djs from all over the world.  Info line
> > Tribal Brothers @(608) 827.0501
> 
> 
> not to bash on the party or anything (especially since a few of my friends
> are playing and i'm planning on going) but what's the difference between
> that and all the diy systems at furthur?  tribal bro's put the names on
> the flyer.  anything else?  no.  so i don't really see why they're hyping
> their event by  the sheer number of dj's in attendance.

i dunno either. there are alot of similarities. It seems like they
are going to have many stages AS WELL AS diy systems...but it should be
worth it anyways...besides, the PTLF will be there....that alone is reason
for going....  

<evil grin>
muahahahahahahahaaa!!

bom shankar!
--boo


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Psychedlic Trance Liberation Front
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     Many conservatives in Congress, however, oppose such change.
"U.S. techno-industrial is hardcore, and it must stay hardcore," said Sen.
Orrin Hatch (R-UT). "Would Al Jourgensen wear a T-shirt depicting smiley
aliens telepathing 'Love' to their baggy-pantsed children? Techno should
be about hate, not love. Techno is about wearing black and screaming, not
standing in one place and swaying peacefully. I say, bring back the days
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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Douglas Mcclintock wrote:

> are going to have many stages AS WELL AS diy systems...but it should be
> worth it anyways...besides, the PTLF will be there....that alone is reason
> for going....  

You all are also invited to come down to the Texas version of these shindigs
as its always madness and fun!

http://www.txfest.com/PICS.html

(its still under heavy construction)

TXFEST will consist of (6) Tents this year. #1 will host all uptempo live 
p.a.'s, #2 will host Texas Dj's, #3 will host Texas Dj's, #4 will host all 
other DOWNTEMPO live p.a.s and DJ's, #5 will have theater seating and host 
a Texan Film and multi media festival and tent #6 will be exclusive to 
vendors. 

The past two years have been a blast and I beleiev this year a lot of 
DIY sound systems will be out for it, including one from our crew.


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>so a brawl it is!!!
>trunk's gonna get whooped by one of dem Kentucky boys!!
>ass-kickin' valentine's day!!

trunk better watch himself...  jason's whooped dica's ass on several occasions.

of course dica is a little wimp and trunk is one tough-looking bald headed
muthafucka...



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>>
>> BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct, I wonder what the big
>> outdoor raver festival that *everyone* attends this year will be?
>>
>
>errr...furthur?

NO WAY! RAVE 'EM AND BAIL-E 3 IS GONNA BE HUGE DOOD!  LOOK HOW MANY DJS
THEY HAVE ON THE FLYER!  WITH THAT MANY DJS IT GOTS TA BE GOOD!



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---doris <dpayer@umich.edu> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Stan Doublin wrote:
> 
> > There is going to be Rave'em and Bail-E 3 July 23,24,& 25th in
Central
> > Wisconsin.  There is over 160 djs from all over the world.  Info
line
> > Tribal Brothers @(608) 827.0501
> 
> 
> not to bash on the party or anything (especially since a few of my
friends
> are playing and i'm planning on going) but what's the difference
between
> that and all the diy systems at furthur?  tribal bro's put the names
on
> the flyer.  anything else?  no.  so i don't really see why they're
hyping
> their event by  the sheer number of dj's in attendance.
> 
> but then again what do i know...

I'm not affiliated with Tribal Brothers, I was just bringing it up
because someone was asking about different camping parties this year. 
I went to the second R & B s two years ago and it was better that my
experience at Further last year.  I'm not saying it was better to
everyone but in my opinion R & B 2 was better.  Sorry for any
misunderstandings.

Stan
www.KindredGroove.com 
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>so a brawl it is!!!
>trunk's gonna get whooped by one of dem Kentucky boys!! 
>ass-kickin' valentine's day!!
     
trunk better watch himself...  jason's whooped dica's ass on several occasions.
     
of course dica is a little wimp and trunk is one tough-looking bald headed 
muthafucka...
     
     
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has anyone seen the move "Harrison Bergeron"?  It is really interesting, kinda
deep, really.  It is a utopian-oriented movie, with the story opening up after
a second american revolution wherein a third of the population was destroyed.
The rest of the american citizens were forced to be "average" - students could
earn no better than a "C" (but it was acceptable to do worse), and everyone
had to wear these electro probes that maintained brainwave patterns with
varying frequencies.  
All athletes were handicapped (not physically) via weights, strings, or some
other form of restriction, as were entertainers (how do you guys think they
would handicap djs? =)  Everyone was forced to be happy with these head bands;
if something tragic happened, everyone's bands were varied and increased to
make them forget it...bizarre.  America was reconstructed to look like the
1950s, because, according to "studies" that's when everyone was the
happiest...
There was a group of elites who controlled EVERYTHING...blah, blah, blah.  It
was a low budget (perhaps even independent) film, but REALLY well done.
Highly recommended...food for thought...now give ME some food!  and i'm out...

HuGZ,
Absolut "i'm talking and i can't shut up" Relevance (like vodka without the
hangover)

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>BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct,

what makes you think that ;)....

o0o[qiB.]o0o

i've seen preflyers...




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The movie's based off of the short story by Kurt Vonnegut.. He is 
the FUCKING MAN!!  If you liked that movie, check out some of his 
books.. the only one I can recall right now is a collection of short 
stories called "Welcome to the Monkey House"... I highly 
recommend it.. Really deep, thought-provoking stuff.. :)



> has anyone seen the move "Harrison Bergeron"?  It is really interesting, kinda
> deep, really.  It is a utopian-oriented movie, with the story opening up after
> a second american revolution wherein a third of the population was destroyed.
> The rest of the american citizens were forced to be "average" - students could
> earn no better than a "C" (but it was acceptable to do worse), and everyone
> had to wear these electro probes that maintained brainwave patterns with
> varying frequencies.  
> All athletes were handicapped (not physically) via weights, strings, or some
> other form of restriction, as were entertainers (how do you guys think they
> would handicap djs? =)  Everyone was forced to be happy with these head bands;
> if something tragic happened, everyone's bands were varied and increased to
> make them forget it...bizarre.  America was reconstructed to look like the
> 1950s, because, according to "studies" that's when everyone was the
> happiest...
> There was a group of elites who controlled EVERYTHING...blah, blah, blah.  It
> was a low budget (perhaps even independent) film, but REALLY well done.
> Highly recommended...food for thought...now give ME some food!  and i'm out...
> 
> HuGZ,
> Absolut "i'm talking and i can't shut up" Relevance (like vodka without the
> hangover)
> 


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Yeah, I've heard the same rumors... in fact, I had someone tell me 
they saw a pre-flyer back in early January... only thing was they 
said CBS was takin' over the production responsibilities?? Can 
anyone back this up or was this just another vicious rumor? 

> 
> >BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct,
> 
> what makes you think that ;)....
> 
> o0o[qiB.]o0o
> 
> i've seen preflyers...
> 

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Michael Latzy wrote:

> The movie's based off of the short story by Kurt Vonnegut.. He is
> the FUCKING MAN!!  If you liked that movie, check out some of his
> books.. the only one I can recall right now is a collection of short
> stories called "Welcome to the Monkey House"... I highly
> recommend it.. Really deep, thought-provoking stuff.. :)

Cat's Cradle
Slaughterhouse 5
God Bless You Mr. Rosewater
Galapagos
Breakfast Of Champions
Player Piano



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Subject: (313) MODULATIONS in Columbus, 12-13 feb 99


>For those who haven't seen it...
>
>MODULATIONS is a somewhat cohesive 'techno-documentary.' It covers
>the seminal heros of electronica, from Kraftwerk, to Derrick May,
>to Fat Boy Slim.. [err, I think.] Anyway, the film is from renowned
>filmmaker Iara Lee [Synthetic Pleasures] who also runs Caipirinha
>productions, home of Si Begg, Kerosene, Taylor Deupree, etc.
>
>It's worth it, just for a brief visual + aural history lesson.
>The Friday night showing starts around 7:30-8pm at the
>Wexner Center for the Arts film/video theatre, located at 15th &
>High, on the Ohio State University campus in Columbus, Ohio.
>Phone: +1.614.292.0330
>
>Most of ele_mental will be there. Check out:
>
>http://www.modulations.com/
>
>Coming soon: snowed*in: an ele_mental event...
>
>http://www.ele-mental.org
>
>
>
>+odd




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>Michael Latzy wrote:
>
>> The movie's based off of the short story by Kurt Vonnegut.. He is
>> the FUCKING MAN!!  If you liked that movie, check out some of his
>> books.. the only one I can recall right now is a collection of short
>> stories called "Welcome to the Monkey House"... I highly
>> recommend it.. Really deep, thought-provoking stuff.. :)
>
>Cat's Cradle
>Slaughterhouse 5
>God Bless You Mr. Rosewater
>Galapagos
>Breakfast Of Champions
>Player Piano


Then there is his newest book  Timequake.  I didn't think it was all that
impressive.  Too bad as well... It's probably the last book he will ever
write.  He's a pretty old guy and hasn't been doing so well.  The book has
an interesting plot, but I just don't think it was done well..

just my opinion...





                                               -jp
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		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >



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    Alright, I'm getting excited as hell for this party!  Even if it is in 
that fucking flea market/billiards hall.. 

	So<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param> here is the updated netmeet list as of 2/10 for Tranquillity in  
   Dayton (2/13).. Directions will be forthcoming as soon as I can 
remember what exit it was off of I-75.. Someone wanna help me 
out? Anyhow, the doors open at 10:00 PM...     

	To be added to the list, e-mail <bold>elemental77@juno.com</bold>. Do     
 not send requests to this address as they may be inadvertently      
deleted.      

	Any suggestions on meeting times and locations would also be 
 greatly appreciated.        


	So far, the list looks like this:     


Mike (an0maly@wizardworkshop.com)	     

Gabe (GNM3744@aol.com)     

Amanda (methalymine@yahoo.com)     

azurensis@hotmail.com    

Di (stuk_n_the_midl@hotmail.com)<bold><color><param>C000,C000,C000</param><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>azurensis@hotmail.com     

</bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>Joe (djxotica@impop.bellatlantic.net)<color><param>C000,C000,C000</param><smaller> <bigger>   

<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>lauryN* (GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com)<FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>    

Chuck (charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu)  

     ^---bringin crews from Toledo and Bryan, OH too

iySyS (borproductions@bluegrass.net)


<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>	 As always, keep those suggestions a'comin concerning 
locations and meeting times.. So far the only suggestion I have had 
is to meet at the  girls' bathroom in the MAIN ROOM at 1:00.. 
Should we also  have  a meet at 10:30 or 11:00??  Di said she will 
bring a sign for the net  meet also.. hope everyone can make it.. :) 

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>All athletes were handicapped (not physically) via weights, strings, or some
>other form of restriction, as were entertainers (how do you guys think they
>would handicap djs? =)  Everyone was forced to be happy with these head
bands;
>if something tragic happened, everyone's bands were varied and increased to
>make them forget it...bizarre.  America was reconstructed to look like the
>1950s, because, according to "studies" that's when everyone was the
>happiest...

i read a short story almost identical at a young age, like fourth grade.
this much was the background, and it revolved around a man and his wife
(who was allowed to be nearly unhindered).  the man had a deafening,
mind-scrambling buzzer implanted into his brain that would go off every
thirty seconds.  everytime it did he lost any kind of concentration.  it
was really fucked up and had kind of a profound affect on my concept of
future.

to give this a lil' rave content, i think that the whole concept of rave
seems like a communism (or almost communion) of some sort at times.  it's
certainly more of a socialistic system than capitalist.  obviously being
redundant here, it seems it should be that way.  it's how it works best,
yet there is not a loss of individuality by any means.  a heightening of it
yet you get everyone on an equal plane or vibe where they can relate and
interact seemlessly and..

{xenon}

without being political, mind you.


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an0maly@wizardworkshop.com writes:

> Yeah, I've heard the same rumors... in fact, I had someone tell me 
>  they saw a pre-flyer back in early January... only thing was they 
>  said CBS was takin' over the production responsibilities?? Can 
>  anyone back this up or was this just another vicious rumor? 

i have seen pre flyers for a CBS July 4th outdoor weekend event, its in
comjunction with some1 else but i ferget who

two fiddy and a nickel
Gabe

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what was the name of that particular short story (the movie was based on)?

{xe}


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The Dark Backward
The Begotten
Rubin And Ed
Forbidden Zone
El Topo
Brain Dead

--
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
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I heard a rumor about a Chicago company thinking about doing an Inner
Stellar Outback party this summer.
Has anyone heard the same?
Anyone?  Anyone?

Stan



---Michael Latzy <an0maly@wizardworkshop.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I've heard the same rumors... in fact, I had someone tell me 
> they saw a pre-flyer back in early January... only thing was they 
> said CBS was takin' over the production responsibilities?? Can 
> anyone back this up or was this just another vicious rumor? 
> 
> > 
> > >BTW, with Family Affair being now defunct,
> > 
> > what makes you think that ;)....
> > 
> > o0o[qiB.]o0o
> > 
> > i've seen preflyers...
> > 
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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Stan Doublin wrote:

> I heard a rumor about a Chicago company thinking about doing an Inner
> Stellar Outback party this summer.
> Has anyone heard the same?
> Anyone?  Anyone?
> 
> Stan

	The originally company that did Interstellar Outback is now known
as Untranslatble.Concepts  Which does have a mjore office in chicago. (run
by me) Althought we will be heavily involoved with the project, it will
primarily be collabration between strageloop (who brought you dreamfest)
and J squared(the owner of untranslatble.concept and the maker of the
first two IO events )

-danXanthous



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On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Becky Wangenheim wrote:

> Okay, after some serious thought and reconsideration, I've giving up the
> organizing the food. I'm getting too much resistance about me organizing
> it, so if someone else wants to organize that part of the party, email me
> and I'll mail you my list of volunteers...  It's not worth all the shit
> I'm getting from people about it... Not to mention the fact that I'm not
> gonna be there until
> late on Saturday night anyhow. I'm sorry Pete and Mikey, to leave this
> part of the party up in the air like this... 

I don't think anyone was down on you for organizing the food.  I simply 
thought that your tone was very condecending and very much seemed like 
you were the person doing the food regardless of what others had to say.  
My issue was/is really with your attitude more than anything else.



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>I remember when you could spend one weekend in Indy, the next in Columbus
>and the next in Chicago and the next in louisville or detroit and every
>weekend you'd see the same people dancing next to you... (particularly if
>you had 'special spot' like in front of the speaker).

I hang out with allot of new school and old school kids alike,
and from what I have seen, this hasn't really changed much...
Now  we are older and not in the loop of "the travelers".. but
this doesn't mean it isn't going on....

>, and
>Now I always feel
>like I'm surrounded by Highschoolers..

How old are you tad? 23-24~.. how long have you been attending
parties? 6-7 years? 24 - 7 = 17.. this couldn't be right, could it?
That would mean you were in .. *gasp* highschool when you
started going ta parties ;)... Hell, I know I was.. actually,
my first party was when I was in JUNIOR high.. I am one of
the youngest OldSchool kids I know just because of this fact...

well.. gotta jet.. paaj will be back on Saturday BTW..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>I will be in St. Louis on Saturday.
>
>See ya there?
>
>With a buttload of my KC family.
>
>YAY!!!!!!


Does this mean we are going to St. Louis?!?!!?  Huh, huh, huh!?!?!?!!

Crystal

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 10 21:14:36 1999
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> 
> It's interesting that the way ravers talk about music sounds like the
> way druggies talk about drugs... "I need some jungle/trance/house/etc."
> All this music is similar yet different, just as all drugs are similar yet
> different.  I've noticed that while if you go to too many raves you get
> "burnt out," if you go a long time without going to one at all it feels like
> something is missing.
> 
that's totally true.. i hadn't gone to a partie in the short of period of
like, 3 weeks, and i got all depressed (and it wasn't the seritonin thing,
i don't take many drugs).. and doris refered to it as "withdrawal"
jokingly.. but it was true :P


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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Steven J. White wrote:

> I don't think anyone was down on you for organizing the food.  I simply
> thought that your tone was very condecending and very much seemed like
> you were the person doing the food regardless of what others had to say.
> My issue was/is really with your attitude more than anything else.


Well, yes they were... They were down on me because of the way I "took
control" and didn't ask everyone's permission to organize that particular
part of the party. I just "jumped in" and "commanded control", and
therefore my attitude was seen as negative and bad, and people had
problems with it...

The reasons I "jumped in" without making a suggestion to the list , or
asking everyone's permission was because a. I volunteered to Pete in
PRIVATE EMAIL to do so, and he said, okay fine, and b. I know from past
experience that noone really wants the position anyhow... So, since there
isn't a whole lot of time before the party I thought I'd take the bull by
the horns and jump in and begin...

 Funny thing is, that until yesterday nobody else on the list had anything
(or said anything) to say regarding the matter of me "jumping right in"
and organizing things...  I asked more than one time for volunteers to
help me out, and even compiled a list... But after the flack I've received
the past two days from people regarding the manner in which I did things,
it REALLY makes me NOT want to put the effort into doing it anymore, and
the people who have the problem with my attitude, organization skills and
whatnot can, to be simply put: do it their fucking selves. If you don't
like the way or the manner in which I was doing something and continue to 
say things regarding the matter, then I basically am left with no choice,
but to give up the responsibility and let someone else deal with it. then,
they have nothing to complain about or criticize anymore (especialy not
my attitude or the way I decide to do things).

I still have yet to hear anyone else volunteer for the job, and I still
have a list of volunteers waiting to get organized... so, please email me
privately if you wish to organize the food stuff part of the party... 

and by continuing to tell me in a public forum how you regard or see my
attitude, seems to me to come across as quite condescending as
well...because, who are you to judge my attitude? is yours such a positive
and great attitude that is makes you an expert enough, that you can tell
me when i need or do not need to take an attitude check? 
 
if you have a problem with me or my attitude, you can tell me in private
email from now on. thank you


-Becky

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra


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i'm glad i'm not you.  

[This letter sent by toy]
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On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 Mono1982@aol.com wrote:

> Hi i'm a 16/m from Minnesota, and well NONE of my friends are into techno 'er
> raves...but i WANNA GO TO A RAVE SO BAD!  And all the kids at my school are
> HICKS! no one likes "technoie" kinda music, everyone just listens to either
> rap or country, it sucks, but yeah i wanna go so baddddddd
> 
> my life sucks
> 
> -Depressed lil one
> 


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CBS, taking over FA5?  Hmm, that should be interesting.....

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the event planned by cincinnati's CBS productions on fourth of july
weekend has NOTHING TO DO WITH FAMILY AFFAIR.

the FAMILY AFFAIR concept is still the property of brian wheeler (insomuch
as anyone can "own" FA).  many people would like to see brian suffer for
what happened last year, but believe you me, he has suffered enough.  many
mistakes were made, certainly, but most of the problems were out of
brian's control, and he made nothing on the event.

but i don't want to speak for him.  suffice to say that there are
ruminations that FA5 may happen.  but if it does, it will be a different
kind of event - though it still will continue to try to bring all the
tribes of electronic music together. 

++
e d


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Just go by yourself and meet some people.  Seriously, thats how I met alot of
my "raver" friends.   None of my best friends or people I go to school with
get into raves either.  There's always someone to meet.  I always leave the
party with at least one or two new friends...
If you drive, just go...  Love is this weekend in Mpls, and I think theres
going to be a net meet if ya wanna meet some kids off the computer.
1 AM by the guys bathroom...  (Right?)

Jen



<<  Hi i'm a 16/m from Minnesota, and well NONE of my friends are into techno
'er
 > raves...but i WANNA GO TO A RAVE SO BAD!  And all the kids at my school are
 > HICKS! no one likes "technoie" kinda music, everyone just listens to either
 > rap or country, it sucks, but yeah i wanna go so baddddddd
 > 
 > my life sucks
 > 
 > -Depressed lil one >>
 

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> Well, yes they were... They were down on me because of the way I "took
> control" and didn't ask everyone's permission to organize that particular
> part of the party. I just "jumped in" and "commanded control", and
> therefore my attitude was seen as negative and bad, and people had
> problems with it...

the way i see this is....  
People bitch about everything...in fact...for every "correct" thing you
do...there is always 4 people standing behind saying "that's wrong....why
did you do that?   or I can do that better."    screw that..... the way i
have discovered...if you dont do it yourself...NO ONE is going to do it.

at least someone has the initiative and thoughtfulness to VOLUNTEER
herself for this "position" (the way i saw it was basically a free for
all..but since someone volunteered to take control of the food/meal
situation..hells yeah...less chaos here...no giving direx to 100 people to
go to the local food mart.)

but wait theres more

>  Funny thing is, that until yesterday nobody else on the list had anything
> (or said anything) to say regarding the matter of me "jumping right in"
*snip*
> say things regarding the matter, then I basically am left with no choice,
> but to give up the responsibility and let someone else deal with it. then,
> they have nothing to complain about or criticize anymore (especialy not
> my attitude or the way I decide to do things).

now here is where i have a problem with your thinking becky....im not
saying this because it would essentially take a load off of my/our
shoulders here...but in general..    why quit?    there are always people
that bitch about this and that and the other thing....  LEARN TO IGNORE
THEM...   all the nasty/evil/down comments people direct at myself (for
our parties, the record store, life)  i ignore..why?   to cause less worry
in my life...these individuals DO NOT (or have not) offered creative
suggestions on how to solve the "problem" they bitch about...  once they
do...be more than willling to take in their suggestions...improvement and
change are good.

as for the rest of the mw-raves-crew/posse....dont bitch for the sake of
bitching...it just makes things worse...   if you had/have a problem with
how becky (or anyone was/is/or is going to run anything.....offer helpful
suggestions please...meanies need not apply 

-mikey
c/u.massive

btw. i dont speak for my roommates either...they may or may not feel the
same as i do.


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>to give this a lil' rave content, i think that the whole concept of rave
>seems like a communism (or almost communion) of some sort at times.  it's
>certainly more of a socialistic system than capitalist.  

I'd have to disagree vehemently.  Ever get pissed 'cause you had to pay $30
at the door to get into a party that made you wonder exactly what the
promoters had spent the money on?  Ever see some kid get jumped in a party?
It was probably because he had money that someone thought they could take
from him easily or he owed some dealer that money.  Ever wonder why you can
pay 4 dollars for a bottle of water at a party when it would cost you 79
cents at a 7-11?

If you think ravers = communists than lets meet up at a party.  You can
give me all your drugs, money, candy, glowtoys, stickers, water, vicks,
etc.  Until then, I'm gonna keep on believing that communism is a pipe
dream and human selfishness is cold hard reality.

The act of coming together for a similar purpose, a similar vibration, is
the act of raving.  In that sense, I'd say we are communing.
Unfortunately, structure and organization breeds greed and selfishness
(i.e. capitalism).  There will always be people who see partying as an easy
mark or a way to make money.  Whether they're promoters, sound/lights
crews, vendors, dealers, gangsters or whatever. Maybe a long time ago in a
galaxy far, far away, people partied and threw parties without the thought
of making or spending a dime.  However, the days of breaking into abandoned
warehouses with two decks, a mixer, and a ghetto sound system are long
since past (at least for the most part).  I'm probably going to get flack
for this, but I'd say the vast majority of parties today wouldn't even
occur if the thought of making some money wasn't in somebody's mind. 

Sorry for coming down on you like this, but hey, it's mw-raves.  People
might get pissed if I didn't.  On that note, I'd like to end with something
on the constructive side...  Anyone into throwing outlaw parties?  I'm not
talking about the kind where the promoter gets an even fatter paycheck by
not paying for the venue.  I'm talking about a totally free party.  Anyone
interested?  nah, forget it.  It could never happen.  And besides, it'd
just fill this list with even more pointless email arguing over where and
when, and exactly what sort of food we'd have to serve.

Griggles
<Jesus Raves>


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Thank you Dan.  Set these kids straight.
Will Russell
Louisville, KY

(I watched Tron with you over at Jason's house)
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>
>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Stan Doublin wrote:
>
>> I heard a rumor about a Chicago company thinking about doing an Inner
>> Stellar Outback party this summer.
>> Has anyone heard the same?
>> Anyone?  Anyone?
>>
>> Stan
>
> The originally company that did Interstellar Outback is now known
>as Untranslatble.Concepts  Which does have a mjore office in chicago. (run
>by me) Althought we will be heavily involoved with the project, it will
>primarily be collabration between strageloop (who brought you dreamfest)
>and J squared(the owner of untranslatble.concept and the maker of the
>first two IO events )
>
>-danXanthous
>
>


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What went down last year???  I didn't go or hear about it.
Anyone???
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>the event planned by cincinnati's CBS productions on fourth of july
>weekend has NOTHING TO DO WITH FAMILY AFFAIR.
>
>the FAMILY AFFAIR concept is still the property of brian wheeler (insomuch
>as anyone can "own" FA).  many people would like to see brian suffer for
>what happened last year, but believe you me, he has suffered enough.  many
>mistakes were made, certainly, but most of the problems were out of
>brian's control, and he made nothing on the event.
>
>but i don't want to speak for him.  suffice to say that there are
>ruminations that FA5 may happen.  but if it does, it will be a different
>kind of event - though it still will continue to try to bring all the
>tribes of electronic music together. 
>
>++
>e d
>


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Anyone familiar with the song "Heart of Gold"?
Anyone know where on the computer I can download it?  Or any mixes online that
it's in?
I've had it stuck in my head since Saturday night and want to hear it
reallllllly badly.

Thanks!
Jen

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY....!

BUT YER STILL A PUP...

ERIKA =)

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At 16:39 2/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Anyone familiar with the song "Heart of Gold"?
>Anyone know where on the computer I can download it?  Or any mixes online
that
>it's in?
>I've had it stuck in my head since Saturday night and want to hear it
>reallllllly badly.

Heart of Gold is one of the all time best double H anthems...
Talking with DJ Brisk and other peeps, rippin' double tracks into like
MP3's is really looked down on since the labels putting out happy hardcore:
Essential Platinum, Quosh, NextGeneration, etc. don't have the funds
to take the losses.... so ripping double H tracks is no good... 
anyways.... i'll point you to DJ Frisky's website though... he's got some
mixes up and the anthem one has Heart of Gold in it... =)
listen to Love&Devotion to... you'll dig it. =)
Also a buncha other good choons and mixes... he's from T-town.

Sorry about the tangent. =-/

http://djfrisky.purerave.com

cheers

         .tj.
.triggerhippie. 
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>
>the FAMILY AFFAIR concept is still the property of brian wheeler (insomuch
>as anyone can "own" FA).  many people would like to see brian suffer for
>what happened last year, but believe you me, he has suffered enough.  many
>mistakes were made, certainly, but most of the problems were out of
>brian's control, and he made nothing on the event.
>

I don't believe he made nothing.  That event most likely showed a net profit
of around $150K.  Where that money went I don't know.




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Subject: [mw] interpret the dreams of elias, free of charge! also some partially rave related content
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now is your chance to exercise your knowledge of archetypes + the
subconscious as you can interpret the dreams of elias, free of charge!

first dream: i was drafted into the navy but it wasn't the u.s. navy,
it was a private navy. i was stationed on this submarine of off the
alaskan coast. i had a navigational control room made of bulletproof
glass. all the girls were stationed on this sub, and the guys were on
some other ship. the part of the mission that happened in my dream was
putting markers on the ocean floor to guide submarines.

another dream: i had been kidnapped + was stuck in this house but it
was a giant room with a tiger running around it + it was eating other
kidnapped people. i was hiding then i ran into the bedroom of the
kidnapper to find some hunting knives, but all his knives were wimpy
paring knives. so i climbed out of the window + escaped.

last dream: i was at my dad's house + there was a tyrannosaurus rex
upstairs running around. me + these other people were hiding in the
living room. i saw it coming down the stairs. it had bright yellow
skin. then i ran outside because i thought it had seen me.

so what do the dreams mean?

here's my sort-of-rave-related content:

i found these shirts that say:
SUPERIOR ROLL FORMING COMPANY
on them. =] they are at the brunswick (ohio) goodwill. i would have
bought all of them + gave them away if they were cheaper but they cost
$3 each. i bought one for myself. they are navy blue work shirts.
maybe i'll juat buy them + sell them at-cost at a party. i looked up
the superior roll forming company in the phone book + it's in valley
city ohio, 330 area code. i'm not sure where that is but i'm going to
call them + ask if they have company t-shirts for sale. we can say we
work at the ecstacy factory then. =]

recommended reading: The Age of Spiritual Machines: When Computers
Exceed Human Intelligence, by Ray Kurzweil. it explains, among other
things, how to combine a DNA computer + a quantum computer, which are
the most powerful theoretical computers (a quantum computer could
instantly crack any code being used now + create other uncrackable
codes). it also explains how people can achieve immortality by copying
their neural circuits in electronic circuits + downloading their
consciousness onto these computers in the future. all of this is
supposed to happen within the next century. the author is the same guy
who predicted (among other accurate things apparently) that the soviet
union would be the 1st country to send stuff into space + the u.s.
would have to send people to the moon to compete. so i think he
probably knows what he's talking about.

-elias
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I'm all about going to ST louis this weekend....what all KC kids are 
goin? I can drive but if possible I'd rather ride w/ somebody...
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In a message dated 2/10/99 3:38:35 PM Central Standard Time, eluna@coil.com
writes:

> many
>  mistakes were made, certainly, but most of the problems were out of
>  brian's control, and he made nothing on the event.

I didn't attend the last F.A.  what was bad about it?

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>it's weird..
>a lot of people i know who are like, "ravers" or partiekids or whatever
>don't like squarepusher.. Personally, i love his shit.  I have a couple of
>his albums.. i think he's a genius.  Except for his new album, which i
>heard is like experimental funk stuff.. and not jungle/hardcore/whatever
>(cut up beats with like 64th notes and shit).  But, yeah..
>
>> i still can't just sit and listen to stuff like that tho.
>
>i think everyone should atleast listen to one of his albums.. the way he
>combines fast cut up beats and other jungle elements with his funky
>electric slap bass and jazz music is amazing.  Anyway, yeah, i like him a
>lot, even if you have to be in a certain mood to listen to his shit.
>peace&love,
>-charles-

it's weird. It's called "Music is rotted One note" or something. At least 
that's what the guy on WNUR told me when I called him and asked about it 
when I heard him playing it. It's got stuff on there with charlie parker 
and other jazz musicians.  I always liked his stuff. It's like aphex twin 
meets jazz.  All his bass is done in real time too, not sampled.  
Personally I love the IDM stuff like Aphex Twin, Mike Paradinas and Tom 
Jenkinson, heck anybody on the Rephlex label actually.  I think that's 
where a lot of techno is heading slowly.

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Griggles wrote:

> I'm probably going to get flack
> for this, but I'd say the vast majority of parties today wouldn't even
> occur if the thought of making some money wasn't in somebody's mind. 

i can't help but think that this is not only due to greedy promoters tho.
maybe this idea has become so central to the party scene that kids don't
take anything *but* seriously anymore.  a small get-together named rest
stop comes to mind.  a "party" thrown this summer, during the day, in a
park, absolutely free.  why did the people throw it?  for the hell of it!
in order to spin some records and dance on the lawn and hang out with some
people.  no $$$ involved (on the party-goer's side at least)  isn't that
what a "party" was originally intended to be? in any case, nobody took the
event seriously, presumably because it was free (and during the day) and
as a result nobody showed (except for a handful of rawkin netravers and a
group of kids that smoked some weed in the corner and left again without
talking to anybody).  i couldn't for the life of me understand why the
turnout was so low.  kids are forever bitching about the inflated prices
of parties, but when a free one comes along they skip it cause they think
it's gonna be bunk or lame or "not the real thing" or whatever.


> Anyone into throwing outlaw parties?  I'm not
> talking about the kind where the promoter gets an even fatter paycheck by
> not paying for the venue.  I'm talking about a totally free party.  Anyone
> interested?  nah, forget it.  It could never happen. 

you and me greg, on the diag.  it's on.  we're throwing this party and ann
arbor is gonna be shakin, courtesy of us.
"but officer!  it's a protest!"
"what are you prosesting?"
"silence"


errr....
ok
**doris**


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a funny story about Kurt Vonnegut...

Apparently on the first day of fifth or sixth grade
the teacher went around the classroom and asked everyone
what they did over their summer vacations, and when she
got to Kurt he won a bet from his friend by saying 
"I made model airplanes and beat off". 

great author, btw
Russ


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welll... all i can say is FURTHUR!!!!!!!!

hehehe.......  if yer on the list you have NO CHOICE but to attend
Furthur... yer gonna have to put up with a month's worth of posts about
it anyways... hehehe

for everyone to look forward to this year.... Camp Ghetto!!!!   more info
to come...


btw... does anyone have ANY clue what dates Furthur '99 is planned for
yet?????

-pm-

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, DJ dotcom wrote:

> btw... does anyone have ANY clue what dates Furthur '99 is planned for
> yet?????

may 28-31, memorial day weekend this year

try www.execpc.com/~dropbass

s'funny how the list is either talking about the drop bass party that
happened 3 months ago or the one that's happening in three months.

	considering driving to Denver to catch Richie this weekend,

				toastman


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PixiEg4713@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/10/99 3:38:35 PM Central Standard Time, eluna@coil.com
> writes:
>
> > many
> >  mistakes were made, certainly, but most of the problems were out of
> >  brian's control, and he made nothing on the event.
>
> I didn't attend the last F.A.  what was bad about it?

Well, I've received various reports on how many people died, were raped,
overdosed, were stolen from, etc.  I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but
it wasn't exactly very organized.

Basically, the drug use was way outta control, with people walking around
the party selling all kinds of substances like hot-dog vendors.  There were
also a lot of really shady people there causing all sorts of trouble.

I had a great time, but that's just because I got to see all my friends.  :-)
I actually didn't really find out about most of what happened until after the
party.



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And for those of you that enjoy the toronto scene and wanna make
the hike (I am!!) Destiny's WEMF is the weekend before Rave'um
this summer on Christian Island in Georgian bay :)  Last year was
phenomenal...

Check it out!      ~Darian~
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Love like you've never been hurt, 
And dance like no one's watching   :)
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In a message dated 99-02-10 13:22:02 EST, Husqvarnic@aol.com writes:

<< > The big surprise, though:
 >  
 >  DreamFest + Interstellar Outback = Interstellar DreamFest
 >  
 >  late summer '9 >>

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Funny you should bring this up, but I've been studying Jung lately and
I came across this website:

http://www.webcom.com/dreamwvr/

If you submit your dream, their "dream experts" will respond with
their Jungian dream analysis.  I wouldn't call it the most academic of
sites, but fun none the less...

happy dreaming
lil sarah



 

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hey folks....

juss a quick note to let you know that once again tonight KYND presents
our wednesday nite net show for your listening pleasure...

from 11PM-2AM CST set your real players to...

pnm://raveradio.raver.org/ihob.ra

tonite's line-up:

.com - International House of Boogie
Kaoss - Omaha Junglistic Society
Lee - International House of Boogie

and from Sarasota FL... special guest... e.n. green!

check it out... and look for us on IRC to chat with us during the show...
we can be found of efnet in both #rave and #jungle

peace and love...

-pm-

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NeXXus8@aol.com wrote:

> And for those of you that enjoy the toronto scene and wanna make
> the hike (I am!!) Destiny's WEMF is the weekend before Rave'um
> this summer on Christian Island in Georgian bay :)  Last year was
> phenomenal...

Wow.. isn't that the one on an Indian reservation with no cops allowed?

Toronto is without a doubt my favorite place to party, so I'll
definitely be
hitting that one.  :-)

Too bad it's sooo far.



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just wanted to drop a note to everyone bigging craig up for a real slick
tape.  :)  every tune on here is pure class, and the mixing is seamless.
when matt and eric's tape hit i remember everyone loving it to death - and
i think u lot should all check out "hard candy" cos it will do yer head in
as well.

*raves out*



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...> turnout was so low.  kids are forever bitching about the inflated prices
> of parties, but when a free one comes along they skip it cause they think
> it's gonna be bunk or lame or "not the real thing" or whatever.

this is true.. but it's also because (this is my reason for being unsure
of free parties) i'm scared.. like, detroit is a fuckin' hard ass city,
and whoever says it isn't is in denial.. like, all the shit i've heard
(and some i've experienced) about free parties is just like, not good.
when a few reeally bad incidents happen at free parties, then everyone
gets a bad impression in general.
know what i mean?


oh yeah, doris, and whoever else around here, i think i MIGHT maybe be
having a small lil' partie in june.. in ann arbor, maybe.  if i can get
enuff money and kiss enuff ass.. and also if i can find a good place to
put it on.  hmmm.  it's all about this dream i've had forever.. i'm sure
everyone has had that dream also.. of just throwing a phat partie with
tons of kids there, and lotsa your favorite djs.. *sigh* if i do have it,
i'm sure i won't make jack shit on it, but i'm willing to put everything i
got on it.. hmm.  who knows.  if anyone around a2 wants to help with the
partie (djs, money, lights, SPACE, help set up, ANYTHING at all...)
pleeease let me know.  ok, thanks for listening..

peace&love, charles :)


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Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:
 ..  Love is this weekend in Mpls, and I think theres
 > going to be a net meet if ya wanna meet some kids off the computer.
 > 1 AM by the guys bathroom...  (Right?)
 > 
 > Jen
 > 

yep! that's right!

Kelli

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Hey kids...

Uh,  like  year or so a go, someone posted a URL for a website
called The Chicago Raves Homepage...
the URL is/was <http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1533/raves.htm>

It no longer exists... i hadn't checked it in a while and i just went
to check it and it didn't really like that idea. =)

So i was wondering if the owner is still on here or if anyone knows 
what happened.

cheers.

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With all this talk about free parties, I'm happy to announce that we're
back with:

                      POSITIVE THURSDAYS 16
                            02.18.99
                            chicago
                    100% free (w/ canned food)
                             9-2am
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Mark Almaria
ABS/Hip House
disco house super star

Miss Bio Booster
New Type +
super dark drum & bass

Matt Positive vs. Eric Spex
WHPK/Happy League
a happy hardcore showdown!!

D'Chopsticks
Grasshopper Nation
ragga and jump up jungle

Nick Skulic
His Bedroom
2 turntables and a MPC

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Positive Thursdays is back and as usual, we only want people who are
interested in good music and having a good time. No crackheads or glass
fiends allowed....any negativity and the positive stormtroopers will show
you the door :)

Please respect the space and *please* bring a canned food for St.
Sylvestor's parish......

ring up the info lines next week for directions:

Happy League/Positive Kids: 1.773.509.6437
happyleague1@yahoo.com
Untranslatable: 1.312.329.6126
also check us out at: http//pubnix.org/~happy

events happening soon:

Positive Thursdays 17: 03.04.99 free w/ canned food

Positive Thursdays 18: 04.08.99 free w/ canned food, $5 w/out
(the special edition DETONATE pre-party with R.A.W and APX1 from LA)

DETONATE!!:  04.10.99  The next Happy Hardcore blowout!!! (DJ BRISK)  
<positive kids, untranslatable, happy league and WHPK 88.5 fm>





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i should be there, ravin' it up.

whoooooo.  find me.  i'll be the white trash profanity spoutin' skinny white 
boy with no teeth!

jon/dica

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Why?

throw your own party.   :)   i always do, hell not like i ever have the
money/time/lack of responsibility that would allow me to go to a real party...

not like the only friends i do have that listen to electronic listen to
crystal method and the candy-raver top 40 shit or booty...

Hell, not like Fox2 shut down the detroit rave scene by kicking the
detroit police in the asses...

not like i ever got into dancing anyway...  ;.(   

ok, i'm just like you... only i don't even have the chance to get out.
escape while you can. Get while the gettin's good.

and PS - rap is kinda close to what some might call "party music"

Paul
....[xjerkneckx]....


PPS - any metro detroiters wanna cart some dumb punk to parties?



you wrote:

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:47:02 EST
From: Mono1982@aol.com
Subject: [mw] I wanna go to a rave so bad!!!

Hi i'm a 16/m from Minnesota, and well NONE of my friends are into
techno 'er
raves...but i WANNA GO TO A RAVE SO BAD!  And all the kids at my school are
HICKS! no one likes "technoie" kinda music, everyone just listens to either
rap or country, it sucks, but yeah i wanna go so baddddddd

my life sucks

- -Depressed lil one

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In a message dated 2/10/99 6:39:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mplaffey@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

<< canned  >>
 HAHAHAHAHA 
Then it means its not free! You have to buy the canned food spome where.
Unless you go to your Neibors house and tell them your collecting canned food
for the poor.


~ TOm ~
D. J  Ikon

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YES! the first raver porn site on the internet!

http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn

and if you are interestes in becoming a raver porn star
email me at killshotprod@xoommail.com

also
dont forget this sunday

DJ SPLENDID
sound underground recordings / killshot productions
feb 14
10 pm
amys cafe
414 w gilman
21 + no cover



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> << canned  >>
>  HAHAHAHAHA 
> Then it means its not free! You have to buy the canned food spome where.
> Unless you go to your Neibors house and tell them your collecting canned food
> for the poor.


In techincal terms you are right. But we are not so much asking you to do
something for us as offering you the privlage of helping other human
beings in need.

Hungry people need food way more then ravers need free parties.


DanXanthous 

Untranslatable.Concepts



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So, are there going to be Sixth Sense Pics on this site someday.

ryan

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 seizure@mindless.com wrote:

> YES! the first raver porn site on the internet!
> 
> http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn
> 
> and if you are interestes in becoming a raver porn star
> email me at killshotprod@xoommail.com
> 
> also
> dont forget this sunday
> 
> DJ SPLENDID
> sound underground recordings / killshot productions
> feb 14
> 10 pm
> amys cafe
> 414 w gilman
> 21 + no cover
> 
> 
> 
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> Then it means its not free! You have to buy the canned food spome where.

you sure your parents don't have one or two in the cupboard?
jd

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At 10:47 PM 2/10/99 -0500, seizure@mindless.com wrote:
>YES! the first raver porn site on the internet!
>
>http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn

what? you give this site out and i need a login? adult check???? pfffuh. i
think anyone giving a porn site on this list and DOESN'T give a login with
it should be tarred and feathered. 

Gip


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uMmMMm....cbs and king funk are doing a party during the 4th of july weekend
this year....

and of course we all know about further* (wooohaaaa)

and a sequel to interstellar outback is rumored.....(that would be helladope)

plus ravem and bail-e looks pretty decent this year.....

so.....theres lotsa outdoor stuffz to do*...
peeeeSh
lauryN*

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> what? you give this site out and i need a login? adult check???? pfffuh. i
> think anyone giving a porn site on this list and DOESN'T give a login with
> it should be tarred and feathered. 

wellllll
its my site
soooooooo
im not giving away free id's at my expense
i can not afford to spend thousads of dollars so everyone can have an id 

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> what? you give this site out and i need a login? adult check???? pfffuh. i
>  think anyone giving a porn site on this list and DOESN'T give a login with
>  it should be tarred and feathered. 

i got adult check, baby!

but you can't have my password!  bahahaha.

eagerly awaiting the raver porn when i get home,
jd

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grrrrrrrrr you have to have adult id check or whatever that is...and that
costs money that i (a broke azz college student) dont have....=P

find me a free raver porn site and ill be happier....lmfao*

well actually raver porn would prolly scare me....uMmMMmmMm i would be blinded
by the glare from their skin...aCk!*....lol....
okie i just asked for a good flame broiling there...(hey im pale as can be
too....so i really have NO room to talk..but then again i dont try the
pornstar thing either...lol...im not about to get sued for blinding some poor
horny dood)

hahahahah
wooohooo

peeeeeSh
lauryN*

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>wellllll
>its my site
>soooooooo
>im not giving away free id's at my expense
>i can not afford to spend thousads of dollars so everyone can have an 
id 
 so why don't you just give us all your ID then it only costs you what 
you'd pay anyway
dylan
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or why don't you all just go to one of the 100's of free password sites on
the net and get your very own stolen adult check id and shut up! =) hehe

>>wellllll
>>its my site
>>soooooooo
>>im not giving away free id's at my expense
>>i can not afford to spend thousads of dollars so everyone can have an
>id
> so why don't you just give us all your ID then it only costs you what
>you'd pay anyway
>dylan
>strung out productions



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>At 10:47 PM 2/10/99 -0500, seizure@mindless.com wrote:
>>YES! the first raver porn site on the internet!
>>
>>http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn
>
>what? you give this site out and i need a login? adult check???? pfffuh. i
>think anyone giving a porn site on this list and DOESN'T give a login with
>it should be tarred and feathered.

if you DON'T already have a bootleg adult check id # (and what
self-respecting net.porn enthusiast doesn't?) you can try pointing your
browser directly to bypass it:

http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn/rp1-xxx.jpg

where xxx is any number from 001 through 024 for the 24 different jpeg images.

honestly, it's not too exciting.  dj littledick (and i mean _little_) gets
it on with a pale, out of shape raver bird in some hippie's bedroom.  they
set up tables in the back and they both leave their shades on.  *yawn*



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Junglist = Rebel


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>we are the superstars of HATE!!!

Yeppers.

It ain't about the love......

It's a about grudge fuckin'.

Girls, I'm sorry. But I know some of ya can relate.


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>of course dica is a little wimp and trunk is one tough-looking bald 
>headed
>muthafucka...
>
Stop it!
I'm blushing!
(in the most "fem" voice I can do)

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 Dreamfest was the 
>most
>awe inspiring event I have ever attended.

It changed my life.

For my stubborn ass...that means the world.

Jason Clark is by far the best promoter this vet knows.

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In a message dated 2/10/99 8:01:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, api@snsworld.net
writes:

> Well, I've received various reports on how many people died, were raped,
>  overdosed, were stolen from, etc.  I'm not sure about the exact numbers,
but
>  it wasn't exactly very organized.
>  
>  Basically, the drug use was way outta control, with people walking around
>  the party selling all kinds of substances like hot-dog vendors.  There were
>  also a lot of really shady people there causing all sorts of trouble.
>  I actually didn't really find out about most of what happened until after 
>  the party.

i would have to say that is cause of the large number of east coast kids that
came to family affair... i have no idea if it occured or not, but every east
coast party i have been is like that... a few scuffles, rumors flying about
people dying or being raped.... a few ODs... i will have to say, that i have
only been to one party on the east coast where some one did die... and it was
confirmed by the owners of the venue, newspapers, and the promoters... 

i don't think i have been to any east coast party where i didn't see a fight
or some shoving... however i have seen the same in detroit, chicago, and other
midwest cities... as for the people dying and being raped, i would say those
are almost always rumors... and those are essential for east coast parties,
for some reason it makes the party better or something... ahaha.....

scary drug fact. sales of a perticular drug, version, type, will rise if
someone dies off of it... especially with herion... this comes from the words
of a 2 time convicted chemist, now serving life in prison... weird eh? 

haha... whoa, look, that chick is getting raped!! lets go dance with
glowsticks around her... dood, man, that guy is not moving, ask his friend who
he bought his shit from, he is a pussy, can't handle his drugs, yo... i got
mad flow to get some rolls...


hahahahhaa... scary

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:04:15 EST SiteRep078@aol.com writes:
>> what? you give this site out and i need a login? adult check???? 

I have an ADULT CHECK ID!!!!!!!!

I am a sick fuck.

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In a message dated 2/10/99 11:04:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com writes:

> uMmMMm....cbs and king funk are doing a party during the 4th of july weekend
>  this year....

um, i also heard a rumor about a party on july 4th in chicago... as much as i
hate chicago... oooh... i might go...

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In a message dated 2/10/99 11:20:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, curti@umr.edu
writes:

> >>wellllll
>  >>its my site
>  >>soooooooo
>  >>im not giving away free id's at my expense
>  >>i can not afford to spend thousads of dollars so everyone can have an
>  >id
>  > so why don't you just give us all your ID then it only costs you what
>  >you'd pay anyway


hmmm, as everyone has found ways to bypass the adult check, i bet this dude is
pissed.. cause it sounds like this is *his* site... meaning he owns... and
runs it... he is out some cash now...

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-----Original Message-----
From: Husqvarnic@aol.com <Husqvarnic@aol.com>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:53 PM
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>In a message dated 2/10/99 11:20:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, curti@umr.edu
>writes:
>
>> >>wellllll
>>  >>its my site
>>  >>soooooooo
>>  >>im not giving away free id's at my expense
>>  >>i can not afford to spend thousads of dollars so everyone can have an
>>  >id
>>  > so why don't you just give us all your ID then it only costs you what
>>  >you'd pay anyway
>
>
>hmmm, as everyone has found ways to bypass the adult check, i bet this dude
is
>pissed.. cause it sounds like this is *his* site... meaning he owns... and
>runs it... he is out some cash now...


hahahahahahaahaha

*rolling on floor with laughter*  shit....that is hardly porn.....

 and what NO money shot?  Come on now....not that Dj chicken dick would have
had a payload....but....

she looked really excited.....I give it an A for enthusiasm.....not.

Yeah I bet he's pissed....sorry man.....not like those two would have caused
anyone to pay ANYTHING in the first place.  At LEAST get good looking people
to be in porn...no one wants joe teeny peeny and tracy tiny titty staring in
a fuck fest....


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[Adam Ierymenko <api@snsworld.net>] wrote:

> This brings to mind an interesting question: is music a drug?  Are we
> a bunch of beat junkiez?
> 
> Well, music does change brainwave patterns and mental states, and it
> is capable of inducing intense experiences.  Anyone who has ever
> danced all night in a trance (without drugs) can attest to the fact
> that this experience even had a psychedelic quality.  The attunement

Potentially anything can be addictive if it triggers a
chemical/hormonal  repsonse in the brain that is abnormal.  Certain
brain states are "addictive" in a manner of speaking, since the brain
gets used to operating under certain "conditions" after repeatedly
functioning for long periods of time under those conditions.  Although
in this case it's important to remember that your mind is often tired
while dancing the night away, and prolonged sleeplessness can produce
hallucinations and other stuff by itself, it's entirely possible for
the brain to get so used to operating in a certain neural environment
(e.g., high endorphin levels, high dopamine levels, etc.), that it has
trouble functioning normally when not in these states.  For example,
people playing video games at high levels of concentration experience
massive dopamine release (about twice as much as normal); this is
basically equivalent to the way dopamine is affected by amphetamine,
except that amphetamine use for a few days or more can damage
dopamine-rich cells.  This is assumed to be one of the reasons that so
many kids nowadays are diagnosed with ADD.  Ritalin (methylphenidate)
boosts dopamine levels just like amphetamine does; therefore, the
conjecture is that it works (in some cases) because people who are
addicted to high dopamine levels have serious trouble concentrating
without it.  

You can induce "altered states" in virtually infinite ways, from
watching TV, to using your computer, to shooting heroin.  Think about
it: when you're staring at your monitor, your eyes/brain are being
exposed to a certain frequency: 70hz? 85hz? 120hz?  When the brain is
exposed to certain frequencies, it responds by syncronizing with that
frequency (NOT ALL frequencies, of course).  But is it so hard to
believe that if your eyes are exposed to a certain frequency for hours
a day, you'll become addicted to it?

Actually, you can have a lot of fun with some brain frequencies, too,
and it's really easy to do.  You know that weird state in between
sleep and consciousness you experience just before falling asleep,
just before waking up, and (sometimes) during meditation?  Ever get
some really crazy ideas during one of those times?  That's Theta mode,
kids, and you can induce it anytime just by exposing your eyes or ears
to frequencies in the theta range under certain conditions.  How about
Delta, which you enter during REM sleep?  You can invoke that, too.
That's part of the science behind those $700 chairs that are supposed
to give you the equivalent of 3 hours of sleep after resting in it for
15 minutes.

I've put myself in Theta trances several times, and it does get sorta
addicting, but maybe that's just psychological.  You experience time
distortion, your mind races to tons of crazy subjects, and sometimes
you begin to vividly recall "forgotten" childhood memories.  Also
(listen up, rollers!), Theta waves trigger betaendorphin release, and
increase seratonin levels by around 27%!!!  It is a completely natural
and safe mood elevator.  I've also put myself into deep sleeps using
Delta waves, which can result in fantastic vivid dreams, since it
makes you enter dream sleep so much more quickly.  Other frequencies
can be used to wake 
you up, make you more receptive to information (super-learning), and
other fun/useful stuff.

have fun,

Todd

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hahahahhahahahaha....
no shit....


TOBY M BROSNAHAN wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Husqvarnic@aol.com <Husqvarnic@aol.com>
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [mw] RAVER PORN!
>
> >In a message dated 2/10/99 11:20:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, curti@umr.edu
> >writes:
> >
> >> >>wellllll
> >>  >>its my site
> >>  >>soooooooo
> >>  >>im not giving away free id's at my expense
> >>  >>i can not afford to spend thousads of dollars so everyone can have an
> >>  >id
> >>  > so why don't you just give us all your ID then it only costs you what
> >>  >you'd pay anyway
> >
> >
> >hmmm, as everyone has found ways to bypass the adult check, i bet this dude
> is
> >pissed.. cause it sounds like this is *his* site... meaning he owns... and
> >runs it... he is out some cash now...
>
> hahahahahahaahaha
>
> *rolling on floor with laughter*  shit....that is hardly porn.....
>
>  and what NO money shot?  Come on now....not that Dj chicken dick would have
> had a payload....but....
>
> she looked really excited.....I give it an A for enthusiasm.....not.
>
> Yeah I bet he's pissed....sorry man.....not like those two would have caused
> anyone to pay ANYTHING in the first place.  At LEAST get good looking people
> to be in porn...no one wants joe teeny peeny and tracy tiny titty staring in
> a fuck fest....




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what, I"D FUCK THAT GIRL ON A DROP OF A DIME!!!!!!!!!


<----will screw ANY girl

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In a message dated 2/10/99 3:48:50 PM CST, Sixtybus@aol.com writes:

<< I've had it stuck in my head since Saturday night and want to hear it
 reallllllly badly. >>

Haha sorry about that Jen.. I decided to play it last minute :)

Chris

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Anyone know why windows media player can't play: 
pnm://raveradio.raver.org/ihob.ra   ?

I'd like to listen, Aaron....really, I'm trying....

--lil sarah




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>honestly, it's not too exciting.  dj littledick (and i mean _little_) gets
>it on with a pale, out of shape raver bird in some hippie's bedroom.  they
>set up tables in the back and they both leave their shades on.  *yawn*


You can say that again.. I don't mean to knock the creative output
of a list member, but get some better camera angels boy-yo..
(and while you're at it, get that girlie some knee pads, she looks like
she would bruise easily.. check'em out in rp-022.. poor kid).. Hell,
you see more of that kid's tiny wang than anything on her... Give us
a money shot at least!!!  SoOoo, who are these
dorks? anybody know? ..

Cute storyline (now I know why everybody wants to be a DJ),
but I could use some more substance (and so could she by the looks
of it ;)...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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shop for records at the mall. 
i got sade "promise",
the mormon tabernacle choir singing patriotic songs of the world,
men at work "business as usual",
and what seems like the prize is "heart play -unfinished dialogue-" 
it's a dialogue between yoko and john...very cool.  very cool.

peace,
Chad

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With all this talk of kickass films on the list lately, here's a list
of the Top 21 Raver Film Rentals of 1999!  Enjoy


Huggie Goes Bananas - While on tour in Brazil, popular west-coast
trance DJ Huggie eats some bad clams followed by a hefty dose of
mescaline.  Zany!  (PG-13)

Honey, I Shrunk the Positive Kids - When Matt's dad's matter-reducing
machine goes haywire, the Positive Kids and Happy League find
themselves only 1/4-inch tall!  Watch as Dica narrowly escapes being
impaled on an Ortofon Super OM needle. (PG)

Honey, I Blew Up the Packard - When a deranged promoter begins
detonating Detroit venues, it's up to a plucky young group of candy
ravers to deliver vigilante justice... Detroit style! (i.e., kicking
ass and taking wallets).  (R)

Ginos in the Mist - The true story of a brave raver's journey into
Toronto's club scene, risking life and limb for a better understanding
of fashion-ho clubbers.  Not for the faint-hearted.  (R)

Not Without My Glowsticks - While on vacation in the middle east, a
boy's glowsticks are unjustly confiscated while at a party entitled
"It's All About the Oppression," just before his scheduled return to
the US.  Set in Iran when glowstick opposition was at an all-time
high.  Starring some kid you've never heard of, and Mary Stuart
Masterson as his mom.  (PG)

Discovering My Lesbian La-La - Docu-drama adaptation of the 10-week
best-seller!  A schizophrenic girl projects her suppressed
homosexuality, seeing it in her talking Teletubbies doll.  (PG-13)

Swede Family Lekibush - It's fun for the whole family when Cari
Lekibush, Adam Beyer, and all those adorable heroes of Swedish techno
are shipwrecked with a bunch of Kooky Scientist records on an island
in the South Pacific, and are forced to construct tables and a sound
system using cypress tree bark, a boar skeleton, and some coconuts. 
Starring Sir Lawrence Oliviet as Cari Lekibush.  (G)

Driving Miss Djax - When a retired DJ moves to Amsterdam to find work
as a chaffeur, who should he pick up as his first client but an aged
Djax (Kathy Bates), who insists in her senility that there are "Piggly
Wigglies" in Holland.  Co-starring Morgan Freeman as Kenny Ken.  (PG-13)

Fluffy Bunny's Big Candy Adventure in Foo-Foo Land 2 - Fluffy Bunny is
back in the sequel to last year's box office smash, and it's sure to
delight candy ravers and 2-year-olds alike.  Watch as Fluffy Bunny and
the rest of the PLURry Pals seek the mystery of "E Island."  WARNING:
some scenes may induce seizure.  (G)

Toking with the Enemy - While getting seriously fucked-up on some
primo cheeba with her housemates, 22-year-old Jennifer (Michele
Weinberger) realizes that the guy who just passed her the bong is none
other than her sketched-out ex-boyfriend Larry (Christian Slater), who
dumped her and has totally avoided her ever since, still owing her $40
and a bunch of New Order CDs.  (PG-13)

Dial "E" for Ecstasy - A bored partykid dials a 1-900 number after
playing 17 hours of Tomb Raider 3 and listening to too much DJ
Assault.  When he turns up dead as a doornail in a transgendered
prostitute's apartment, it's up to one hard-ass New York cop to be
drawn into a web of intrigue and get sexed-up by all the suspects. 
(NC-17)

Ritchie 'n' Me - The touching tale of a homeless boy's adoption by
Ritchie Hawtin, when the prince of techno realizes he needs an heir
and pupil to his legacy.  Yule Brenner stars as Ritchie Hawtin, with
Jonathan Ke Quan as "Timmy."  (G)

Superstar DJ Keoki's Day Off - After a rousing evening of heroin,
weed, and crystal, Keoki decides there's no way in hell he's gonna
show for his gig that night!  Watch the wacky madcap antics ensue as
Keoki fools everyone from his agent to his clients, and finally vomits
all over himself and $3,000 worth of equipment before passing out. 
Laugh riot!  Superstar DJ Keoki and numerous stand-ins star.  (NC-17)

When Ravers Attack, vol. VII - The long-awaited 7th installment in
this enormously lucrative series.  This volume brings you shocking
footage of the BTS beating down innocent kids, teenagers going berzerk
on glass, and a must-see scene involving a group of gabber DJ's eating
the corpse of a road-slain armadillo!  (NR)

The Blowpop Kid - An eccentric marketing genius from Charms visits
Goa, India in an attempt to increase Blowpop market penetration in the
local trance scene.  Musing over the complete lack of interest in his
tasty, gum-filled candy, he discovers a local guru who produces his
own line of psychedelic lollipops, called "Psuckers."  Charms seeks a
joint-venture in marketing the product worldwide, and changes the rave
scene forever.  Gene Wilder, Fisher Stevens.  (PG)

Raid 2: "This Time It's Personal" - When a violent LA police raid on a
peaceful warehouse party claims the life of Adam X, Frankie Bones vows
revenge on the LAPD, forming a renegade squad of techno DJ/producers
known as the "X-Team."  Sylvester Stallone as Frankie Bones.  (R)

A Raver Runs Through It - Critically-acclaimed story of two Nebraska
sisters of opposite personalities--one a gabber nut, the other a house
head--who share one common love: fly-fishing.  Based on the novel of
the same name.  (PG)

N.U.K. - The candy raver son of an eccentric genetic engineer is the
accidental victim of a drive-by shooting, severaly damaging his arms
and legs.  His father builds him a set of new bionic limbs and a
cybernetic voice box to correct his cracking voice, giving him a new
life dedicated to fighting crime and wack promoters.  Filled with
annoying but adorable cyborg fight-scene puns: "Now that's what I call
a breakbeat!"  Jonathon Taylor Thomas as RoboRaver.  (R)

As Candy As We Wanna Be - Four bisexual speed addicts decide to shoot
porno films to raise money to support their habit of meth and parties.  
Starring "Shirley G." and Matt "Glowstick" McMannon.
(X)

A Flyer For Miss Julie - An elderly woman's life is transformed when
she's given a flyer for a full-moon party in the Arizona desert,
eventually leading to her rise as the best producer in the western
hemisphere.  (PG)

Dateline NBC Too Hot for TV - The provocative exposé that shocked a
nation!  Exclusive behind-the-scenes footage proving that popular
network television "news magazines" are sexy drug-infested drugfests,
loaded with sex and drugs and people having sex while on drugs!
(NR)


PLUR,

Todd  =)

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Oops, ignore that last one... it was incomplete.

With all this talk of good and bad films on the list lately, here's a
list of the Top 21 Raver Film Rentals of 1999!  Enjoy



Huggie Goes Bananas - While on tour in Brazil, popular west-coast
trance DJ Huggie eats some bad clams followed by a hefty dose of
mescaline.  Zany!  (PG-13)

Honey, I Shrunk the Positive Kids - When Matt's dad's matter-reducing
machine goes haywire, the Positive Kids and Happy League find
themselves only 1/4-inch tall!  Watch as Dica narrowly escapes being
impaled on an Ortofon Super OM needle. (PG)

Honey, I Blew Up the Packard - When a deranged promoter begins
detonating Detroit venues, it's up to a plucky young group of candy
ravers to deliver vigilante justice... Detroit style! (i.e., kicking
ass and taking wallets).  (R)

Ginos in the Mist - The true story of a brave raver's journey into
Toronto's club scene, risking life and limb for a better understanding
of fashion-ho clubbers.  Not for the faint-hearted.  (R)

Not Without My Glowsticks - While on vacation in the middle east, a
boy's glowsticks are unjustly confiscated while at a party entitled
"It's All About the Oppression," just before his scheduled return to
the US.  Set in Iran when glowstick opposition was at an all-time
high.  Starring some kid you've never heard of, and Mary Stuart
Masterson as his mom.  (PG)

Discovering My Lesbian La-La - Docu-drama adaptation of the 10-week
best-seller!  A schizophrenic girl projects her suppressed
homosexuality, seeing it in her talking Teletubbies doll.  (PG-13)

Swede Family Lekibush - It's fun for the whole family when Cari
Lekibush, Adam Beyer, and all those adorable heroes of Swedish techno
are shipwrecked with a bunch of Kooky Scientist records on an island
in the South Pacific, and are forced to construct tables and a sound
system using cypress tree bark, a boar skeleton, and some coconuts. 
Starring Sir Lawrence Oliviet as Cari Lekibush.  (G)

Driving Miss Djax - When a retired DJ moves to Amsterdam to find work
as a chaffeur, who should he pick up as his first client but an aged
Djax (Kathy Bates), who insists in her senility that there are "Piggly
Wigglies" in Holland.  Co-starring Morgan Freeman as Kenny Ken.  (PG-13)

Fluffy Bunny's Big Candy Adventure in Foo-Foo Land 2 - Fluffy Bunny is
back in the sequel to last year's box office smash, and it's sure to
delight candy ravers and 2-year-olds alike.  Watch as Fluffy Bunny and
the rest of the PLURry Pals seek the mystery of "E Island."  WARNING:
some scenes may induce seizure.  (G)

Toking with the Enemy - While getting seriously fucked-up on some
primo cheeba with her housemates, 22-year-old Jennifer (Michele
Weinberger) realizes that the guy who just passed her the bong is none
other than her sketched-out ex-boyfriend Larry (Christian Slater), who
dumped her and has totally avoided her ever since, still owing her $40
and a bunch of New Order CDs.  (PG-13)

Dial "E" for Ecstasy - A bored partykid dials a 1-900 number after
playing 17 hours of Tomb Raider 3 and listening to too much DJ
Assault.  When he turns up dead as a doornail in a transgendered
prostitute's apartment, it's up to one hard-ass New York cop to be
drawn into a web of intrigue and get sexed-up by all the suspects. 
(NC-17)

Ritchie 'n' Me - The touching tale of a homeless boy's adoption by
Ritchie Hawtin, when the prince of techno realizes he needs an heir
and pupil to his legacy.  Yule Brenner stars as Ritchie Hawtin, with
Jonathan Ke Quan as "Timmy."  (G)

Superstar DJ Keoki's Day Off - After a rousing evening of heroin,
weed, and crystal, Keoki decides there's no way in hell he's gonna
show for his gig that night!  Watch the wacky madcap antics ensue as
Keoki fools everyone from his agent to his clients, and finally vomits
all over himself and $3,000 worth of equipment before passing out. 
Laugh riot!  Superstar DJ Keoki and numerous stand-ins star.  (NC-17)

When Ravers Attack, vol. VII - The long-awaited 7th installment in
this enormously lucrative series.  This volume brings you shocking
footage of the BTS beating down innocent kids, teenagers going berzerk
on glass, and a must-see scene involving a group of gabber DJ's eating
the corpse of a road-slain armadillo!  (NR)

The Blowpop Kid - An eccentric marketing genius from Charms visits
Goa, India in an attempt to increase Blowpop market penetration in the
local trance scene.  Musing over the complete lack of interest in his
tasty, gum-filled candy, he discovers a local guru who produces his
own line of psychedelic lollipops, called "Psuckers."  Charms seeks a
joint-venture in marketing the product worldwide, and changes the rave
scene forever.  Gene Wilder, Fisher Stevens.  (PG)

Raid 2: "This Time It's Personal" - When a violent LA police raid on a
peaceful warehouse party claims the life of Adam X, Frankie Bones vows
revenge on the LAPD, forming a renegade squad of techno DJ/producers
known as the "X-Team."  Sylvester Stallone as Frankie Bones.  (R)

A Raver Runs Through It - Critically-acclaimed story of two Nebraska
sisters of opposite personalities--one a gabber nut, the other a house
head--who share one common love: fly-fishing.  Based on the novel of
the same name.  (PG)

N.U.K. - The candy raver son of an eccentric genetic engineer is the
accidental victim of a drive-by shooting, severaly damaging his arms
and legs.  His father builds him a set of new bionic limbs and a
cybernetic voice box to correct his cracking voice, giving him a new
life dedicated to fighting crime and wack promoters.  Filled with
annoying but adorable cyborg fight-scene puns: "Now that's what I call
a breakbeat!"  Jonathon Taylor Thomas as RoboRaver.  (R)

As Candy As We Wanna Be - Four bisexual speed addicts decide to shoot
porno films to raise money to support their habit of meth and parties.  
Starring Shirley G. and Matt "Glowstick" McMannon.
(X)

A Flyer For Miss Julie - An elderly woman's life is transformed when
she's given a flyer for a full-moon party in the Arizona desert,
eventually leading to her rise as the best producer in the western
hemisphere.  (PG)

Dateline NBC Too Hot for TV - The provocative exposé that shocked a
nation!  Exclusive behind-the-scenes footage proving that popular
network television "news magazines" are sexy drug-infested drugfests,
loaded with sex and drugs and people having sex while on drugs!
(NR)


PLUR,

Todd  =)

_________________________________________

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obviously nobody finds it goddamned sick and offensive.

so i ain't gwan say much else than...

idiotic, repulsive and makes me feel proud to be a member of this culture for
fucking sure, sick fucking rotting one at that.

entro
"the answer is jihad."

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May I be the first to say that that is by far the FUNNIEST damn thing 
I believe I have ever read.. MAD PROPS to Todd for giving me the 
hardest laugh in quite a while... whew.. that's some good shit! 

  
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>a funny story about Kurt Vonnegut...

>Apparently on the first day of fifth or sixth grade
>the teacher went around the classroom and asked everyone
>what they did over their summer vacations, and when she
>got to Kurt he won a bet from his friend by saying
>"I made model airplanes and beat off".  

hahahahahaha!!!!!!!  for some reason, this doesn't surprise
me at all.  vonnegut's always had the most unique and profound
ways of describing what he sees as "the truth", and he pretty
much cuts thru all the bullshit in the process... which is good
because reading too much crizzap makes me feel defunct...

Defunct.

And so on...

:)

i agree.  he's an incredible author.  breakfast of champions/
goodbye blue monday has to be one of the best written books
i've ever read :)

-p


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Todd Moody wrote:

>That's part of the science behind those $700 chairs that are supposed
>to give you the equivalent of 3 hours of sleep after resting in it for
>15 minutes.

fuck yeah!!!!  hook my bitch ass up wif one a these!!  :D

funny you mention sleep patterns like that.  my old roomate's lab partner
copied a technique michaelangelo supposedly used, where he take a 15
minute nap every 4 hours in the day, and never sleep a full 8 hours.
that's right, he just keeps on truckin... sucks coz after 4 or 5 hours he
gets *really* tired and needs to sleep, but i guess it can be good since
a year ago the guy took 33 credits of 400 level and up EECS courses
here... (in one semester, yes). :o

>(listen up, rollers!), Theta waves trigger betaendorphin release, and
>increase seratonin levels by around 27%!!!  It is a completely natural
>and safe mood elevator.  I've also put myself into deep sleeps using
>Delta waves, which can result in fantastic vivid dreams, since it
>makes you enter dream sleep so much more quickly.  Other frequencies
>can be used to wake
>you up, make you more receptive to information (super-learning), and
>other fun/useful stuff. 

from the way you describe it todd, it looks like this is something a lot
of ppl would *wanna* be addicted too... i sure as fuck would.  hook my
arse up!!!!! :D

*blows his hulla whistle*

peace,
prasad



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At 13:24 10-2-99 -0600, dj fishead wrote:

>Brain Dead

Brain Dead is too good!!! The worst movie in existence *HAS* to be one
called "Miami Blues". It's the worst movie you're ever seen. It hurts to
watch it.

Billy Pilgrim

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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, [.v/jek.] wrote:

> she would bruise easily.. check'em out in rp-022.. poor kid).. Hell,
> you see more of that kid's tiny wang than anything on her... Give us
> a money shot at least!!!  SoOoo, who are these

	Alright, this has had me wondering for a while.  As a gay man, I
don't get the sexual appeal of a money shot for a heterosexual man.
What's the turn on?  Doesn't that put more attention on the man than the
woman?  I understand why a gay boy or a hetero girl might find it
appealing and sexual, but wouldn't you much rather just see the girl
getting some action?  Could some heterosexual male spokesperson come
forward on this issue?  The homos on this list would like to know. =]

Luis

P.S.  While this stuff might be the first site dedicated to raver porn on
the net, I don't think it's the first occurrence of raver porn.  I vaguely
recall some gay site boasting pics of *gay raver couples* or something
like that.  They probably just dressed two boys up in big pants and wallet
chains and shades and told them to act like they were fucked up on drugs.
=P


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Bravo!  Bravo!  That was pure brilliance!  I haven't laughed that hard in
weeks.  I believe my computer moniter actually began to look at me as if I
may be insane during my bouts of Laughter.  Keep 'em comin'!
"Honey, I shrunk the Positive Kids" was a four star for sure.
willebear@mindspring.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Moody <tmmoody@rocketmail.com>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Cc: poohmeister@hotmail.com <poohmeister@hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 1:28 AM
Subject: [mw] Top Raver Films of 1999


>With all this talk of kickass films on the list lately, here's a list
>of the Top 21 Raver Film Rentals of 1999!  Enjoy
>
>
>Huggie Goes Bananas - While on tour in Brazil, popular west-coast
>trance DJ Huggie eats some bad clams followed by a hefty dose of
>mescaline.  Zany!  (PG-13)
>
>Honey, I Shrunk the Positive Kids - When Matt's dad's matter-reducing
>machine goes haywire, the Positive Kids and Happy League find
>themselves only 1/4-inch tall!  Watch as Dica narrowly escapes being
>impaled on an Ortofon Super OM needle. (PG)
>
>Honey, I Blew Up the Packard - When a deranged promoter begins
>detonating Detroit venues, it's up to a plucky young group of candy
>ravers to deliver vigilante justice... Detroit style! (i.e., kicking
>ass and taking wallets).  (R)
>
>Ginos in the Mist - The true story of a brave raver's journey into
>Toronto's club scene, risking life and limb for a better understanding
>of fashion-ho clubbers.  Not for the faint-hearted.  (R)
>
>Not Without My Glowsticks - While on vacation in the middle east, a
>boy's glowsticks are unjustly confiscated while at a party entitled
>"It's All About the Oppression," just before his scheduled return to
>the US.  Set in Iran when glowstick opposition was at an all-time
>high.  Starring some kid you've never heard of, and Mary Stuart
>Masterson as his mom.  (PG)
>
>Discovering My Lesbian La-La - Docu-drama adaptation of the 10-week
>best-seller!  A schizophrenic girl projects her suppressed
>homosexuality, seeing it in her talking Teletubbies doll.  (PG-13)
>
>Swede Family Lekibush - It's fun for the whole family when Cari
>Lekibush, Adam Beyer, and all those adorable heroes of Swedish techno
>are shipwrecked with a bunch of Kooky Scientist records on an island
>in the South Pacific, and are forced to construct tables and a sound
>system using cypress tree bark, a boar skeleton, and some coconuts.
>Starring Sir Lawrence Oliviet as Cari Lekibush.  (G)
>
>Driving Miss Djax - When a retired DJ moves to Amsterdam to find work
>as a chaffeur, who should he pick up as his first client but an aged
>Djax (Kathy Bates), who insists in her senility that there are "Piggly
>Wigglies" in Holland.  Co-starring Morgan Freeman as Kenny Ken.  (PG-13)
>
>Fluffy Bunny's Big Candy Adventure in Foo-Foo Land 2 - Fluffy Bunny is
>back in the sequel to last year's box office smash, and it's sure to
>delight candy ravers and 2-year-olds alike.  Watch as Fluffy Bunny and
>the rest of the PLURry Pals seek the mystery of "E Island."  WARNING:
>some scenes may induce seizure.  (G)
>
>Toking with the Enemy - While getting seriously fucked-up on some
>primo cheeba with her housemates, 22-year-old Jennifer (Michele
>Weinberger) realizes that the guy who just passed her the bong is none
>other than her sketched-out ex-boyfriend Larry (Christian Slater), who
>dumped her and has totally avoided her ever since, still owing her $40
>and a bunch of New Order CDs.  (PG-13)
>
>Dial "E" for Ecstasy - A bored partykid dials a 1-900 number after
>playing 17 hours of Tomb Raider 3 and listening to too much DJ
>Assault.  When he turns up dead as a doornail in a transgendered
>prostitute's apartment, it's up to one hard-ass New York cop to be
>drawn into a web of intrigue and get sexed-up by all the suspects.
>(NC-17)
>
>Ritchie 'n' Me - The touching tale of a homeless boy's adoption by
>Ritchie Hawtin, when the prince of techno realizes he needs an heir
>and pupil to his legacy.  Yule Brenner stars as Ritchie Hawtin, with
>Jonathan Ke Quan as "Timmy."  (G)
>
>Superstar DJ Keoki's Day Off - After a rousing evening of heroin,
>weed, and crystal, Keoki decides there's no way in hell he's gonna
>show for his gig that night!  Watch the wacky madcap antics ensue as
>Keoki fools everyone from his agent to his clients, and finally vomits
>all over himself and $3,000 worth of equipment before passing out.
>Laugh riot!  Superstar DJ Keoki and numerous stand-ins star.  (NC-17)
>
>When Ravers Attack, vol. VII - The long-awaited 7th installment in
>this enormously lucrative series.  This volume brings you shocking
>footage of the BTS beating down innocent kids, teenagers going berzerk
>on glass, and a must-see scene involving a group of gabber DJ's eating
>the corpse of a road-slain armadillo!  (NR)
>
>The Blowpop Kid - An eccentric marketing genius from Charms visits
>Goa, India in an attempt to increase Blowpop market penetration in the
>local trance scene.  Musing over the complete lack of interest in his
>tasty, gum-filled candy, he discovers a local guru who produces his
>own line of psychedelic lollipops, called "Psuckers."  Charms seeks a
>joint-venture in marketing the product worldwide, and changes the rave
>scene forever.  Gene Wilder, Fisher Stevens.  (PG)
>
>Raid 2: "This Time It's Personal" - When a violent LA police raid on a
>peaceful warehouse party claims the life of Adam X, Frankie Bones vows
>revenge on the LAPD, forming a renegade squad of techno DJ/producers
>known as the "X-Team."  Sylvester Stallone as Frankie Bones.  (R)
>
>A Raver Runs Through It - Critically-acclaimed story of two Nebraska
>sisters of opposite personalities--one a gabber nut, the other a house
>head--who share one common love: fly-fishing.  Based on the novel of
>the same name.  (PG)
>
>N.U.K. - The candy raver son of an eccentric genetic engineer is the
>accidental victim of a drive-by shooting, severaly damaging his arms
>and legs.  His father builds him a set of new bionic limbs and a
>cybernetic voice box to correct his cracking voice, giving him a new
>life dedicated to fighting crime and wack promoters.  Filled with
>annoying but adorable cyborg fight-scene puns: "Now that's what I call
>a breakbeat!"  Jonathon Taylor Thomas as RoboRaver.  (R)
>
>As Candy As We Wanna Be - Four bisexual speed addicts decide to shoot
>porno films to raise money to support their habit of meth and parties.
>Starring "Shirley G." and Matt "Glowstick" McMannon.
>(X)
>
>A Flyer For Miss Julie - An elderly woman's life is transformed when
>she's given a flyer for a full-moon party in the Arizona desert,
>eventually leading to her rise as the best producer in the western
>hemisphere.  (PG)
>
>Dateline NBC Too Hot for TV - The provocative exposé that shocked a
>nation!  Exclusive behind-the-scenes footage proving that popular
>network television "news magazines" are sexy drug-infested drugfests,
>loaded with sex and drugs and people having sex while on drugs!
>(NR)
>
>
>PLUR,
>
>Todd  =)
>
>_________________________________________
>
>"I'm basically pro-humanity and anti-bad things."
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>


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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, [.v/jek.] wrote:

>> she would bruise easily.. check'em out in rp-022.. poor kid).. Hell,
>> you see more of that kid's tiny wang than anything on her... Give
>>us a money shot at least!!!  SoOoo, who are these

then "moO" said:

> Alright, this has had me wondering for a while.  As a gay man, I
>don't get the sexual appeal of a money shot for a heterosexual man.
>What's the turn on?

Who said anything about a turn on? I just said wanted them to keep
the symmetry of what was going on.. Didn't you notice
(if you actually visited the site) that the "storyline" followed the
typical cliché midcore porn formula? To complete this, a money
shot would be required... But no, I don't get turned on by most
porn, let alone a "money shot" (well, I like live action porn..
but that is another matter ;).. I guess I could give him
"props" for not going their, paving a new and nobler path for
porn.. but.. nahh, I won't...

>Doesn't that put more attention on the man than the
>woman?

Sorta, it stems from the  subjugation of the female partner, IMHO,
which (I guess) turns men on.. To dominate... the thrust of what is
being viewed is male, but the focal aspect is still the woman...

>I understand why a gay boy or a hetero girl might find it
>appealing and sexual, but wouldn't you much rather just see the girl
>getting some action?

she is... domination is the key, the sick and perverse key to many
fantasies.. It is minimal, yes.. but the symbolic meaning is powerful
(and sick)..

>Could some heterosexual male spokesperson come
>forward on this issue?  The homos on this list would like to know. =]


Ok.. I guess that would be me ... (kinda, some people I know might
argue this point ;).. I stand before you as a psychoanalyst though,
not as a man....


o0o[qiB.]o0o

Uberfemme, wanna give us your perspective?




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> 
> *blows his hulla whistle*
> 

fuckin candyravers


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>> *blows his hulla whistle*
>> 
>
>fuckin candyravers


fuckin one liners!


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ok thanks to the person who posted how to view the pics on my site without an adultcheck id the pictures have been removed untill i can get an new adult verification system

also, i would like to invite everyone to send me a pic of themselves naked so i can see how you guys are all supermodels and not average ravers

i will pay you generously to pose for my site since all you have giant cocks and big tits
and besides who wants to see anything but big tits right?
no one in the world has small breasts
especially ravers right?

oh yeah and what about being tastefull?
guess thats out of the question
if anyone poses for my site i will make sure to come all over your face because thats what people like

ok thank you for such a positive response for trying to do something creative and interesting about our scene



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ok, i pose...but you have to send me the $ first....hehehehhe
and, i do the load blower shot...
i have big titties and a big dick, and they are both pierced...
how's that for a money shot!
heheheh

seizure@mindless.com wrote:

> ok thanks to the person who posted how to view the pics on my site without an adultcheck id the pictures have been removed untill i can get an new adult verification system
>
> also, i would like to invite everyone to send me a pic of themselves naked so i can see how you guys are all supermodels and not average ravers
>
> i will pay you generously to pose for my site since all you have giant cocks and big tits
> and besides who wants to see anything but big tits right?
> no one in the world has small breasts
> especially ravers right?
>
> oh yeah and what about being tastefull?
> guess thats out of the question
> if anyone poses for my site i will make sure to come all over your face because thats what people like
>
> ok thank you for such a positive response for trying to do something creative and interesting about our scene
>
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> Junglist = Rebel

Ha!

Two words: TWO STEP.

'nuff said.

peace,
-pete (who's spinning jungle/gabber on 3/27 in urbana..)
-- 
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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Todd Moody wrote:

> 
> Honey, I Shrunk the Positive Kids - When Matt's dad's matter-reducing
> machine goes haywire, the Positive Kids and Happy League find
> themselves only 1/4-inch tall! 

wait, is this a documentary?  cause i believe this already happened to
eric spex.

bahaha

 



> Superstar DJ Keoki's Day Off - After a rousing evening of heroin,
> weed, and crystal, Keoki decides there's no way in hell he's gonna
> show for his gig that night!  Watch the wacky madcap antics ensue as
> Keoki fools everyone from his agent to his clients, and finally vomits
> all over himself and $3,000 worth of equipment before passing out. 
> Laugh riot!  Superstar DJ Keoki and numerous stand-ins star.  (NC-17)

*lolololololol*


i luv it!

think it's time to go to bed?
hmm
**doris**



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> i will pay you generously to pose for my site since all you have giant
> cocks and big tits and besides who wants to see anything but big tits
> right? no one in the world has small breasts  especially ravers right?

werd!  Now we have an official activity for the net party!  fuck music...
lets have an ORGY!!!

-pete [its a good thing no one out there that takes me seriously]
-- 
[ FiZ / peter@pubnix.org / http://www.pubnix.org/~peter/fiz.html ]


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In a message dated 2/10/99 11:44:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
seizure@mindless.com writes:

<< oh yeah and what about being tastefull?
 guess thats out of the question
 if anyone poses for my site i will make sure to come all over your face
because thats what people like
 
 ok thank you for such a positive response for trying to do something creative
and interesting about our scene
  >>

you got some real goddamned nerve posing your fucking misogynistic drug
addled, pedaphilia as creative fucking art.  why not use you goddamn
turntables for something fucking positive instead of some positively
egotistical fuck oriented BULLSHIT...

seriously you piss the fuck out of me...

you call GIVING A FUCKING PILL TO A GODDAMNED GIRL AND THEN IMPLYING THAT
SHE'LL FUCK YOU TASTEFUL!!!!

fuck you and your bullshit.

entro

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have to agree with entropy...
and can i throw in, is that chick even over age?

Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/10/99 11:44:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> seizure@mindless.com writes:
>
> << oh yeah and what about being tastefull?
>  guess thats out of the question
>  if anyone poses for my site i will make sure to come all over your face
> because thats what people like
>
>  ok thank you for such a positive response for trying to do something creative
> and interesting about our scene
>   >>
>
> you got some real goddamned nerve posing your fucking misogynistic drug
> addled, pedaphilia as creative fucking art.  why not use you goddamn
> turntables for something fucking positive instead of some positively
> egotistical fuck oriented BULLSHIT...
>
> seriously you piss the fuck out of me...
>
> you call GIVING A FUCKING PILL TO A GODDAMNED GIRL AND THEN IMPLYING THAT
> SHE'LL FUCK YOU TASTEFUL!!!!
>
> fuck you and your bullshit.
>
> entro




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the pill was a joke
maybe you didnt get it but that is what alot of people think about e

and it is not pedaphilia
i have all the signed legal documents from both of them
and it is illegal to copyright illigal porn so it is impossible to call it pedaphilia

so chill the fuck out



> 
> you got some real goddamned nerve posing your fucking misogynistic drug
> addled, pedaphilia as creative fucking art.  why not use you goddamn
> turntables for something fucking positive instead of some positively
> egotistical fuck oriented BULLSHIT...
> 
> seriously you piss the fuck out of me...
> 
> you call GIVING A FUCKING PILL TO A GODDAMNED GIRL AND THEN IMPLYING THAT
> SHE'LL FUCK YOU TASTEFUL!!!!
> 
> fuck you and your bullshit.
> 
> entro
> 


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from what i understand (which could be wrong, if so point me in the right direction so i
can get the info for myself) about copyriting, is that if you say it is copyrited, then
it is...especially if it is so called "art".

seizure@mindless.com wrote:

> the pill was a joke
> maybe you didnt get it but that is what alot of people think about e
>
> and it is not pedaphilia
> i have all the signed legal documents from both of them
> and it is illegal to copyright illigal porn so it is impossible to call it pedaphilia
>
> so chill the fuck out
>
> >
> > you got some real goddamned nerve posing your fucking misogynistic drug
> > addled, pedaphilia as creative fucking art.  why not use you goddamn
> > turntables for something fucking positive instead of some positively
> > egotistical fuck oriented BULLSHIT...
> >
> > seriously you piss the fuck out of me...
> >
> > you call GIVING A FUCKING PILL TO A GODDAMNED GIRL AND THEN IMPLYING THAT
> > SHE'LL FUCK YOU TASTEFUL!!!!
> >
> > fuck you and your bullshit.
> >
> > entro
> >
>
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funny funny funny...

fuck you...
...bitch...

...what can i call you publically?
hmmmm...

nevermind
eric



In a message dated 2/10/99 11:50:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, dpayer@umich.edu
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> > 
>  > Honey, I Shrunk the Positive Kids - When Matt's dad's matter-reducing
>  > machine goes haywire, the Positive Kids and Happy League find
>  > themselves only 1/4-inch tall! 
>  
>  wait, is this a documentary?  cause i believe this already happened to
>  eric spex.
>  
>  baha

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, eluna wrote:

> ...i don't want to speak for him.  

I SAY AGAIN: I WILL NOT SPEAK FOR BRIAN WHEELER

but as for him "making bank" on FA4, then why did he work at UPS (united
parcel service!) for several months after the party?  lugging 50-pound
boxes around for 8-hour shifts doesn't sound like the kind of career move
i would make if i had just made thousands of dollars.

if anyone is interested, brian _has_ written a public explanation of his
side of the story.  it was published in a low-key 'zine called PLUS (i
believe), compiled by yabette.  check www.listenuprecords.com if you want
to get ahold of her, perhaps she could forward that story to the mw and
pb-cle lists. 

++
e d 



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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Sarah Swan wrote:

> Anyone know why windows media player can't play: 
> pnm://raveradio.raver.org/ihob.ra   ?
> 
> I'd like to listen, Aaron....really, I'm trying....

Can the Windoze Media Player deal with Real Audio files?  Maybe this is 
the problem.


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> Anyone into throwing outlaw parties?  I'm not
> talking about the kind where the promoter gets an even fatter paycheck
by
> not paying for the venue.  I'm talking about a totally free party. 
Anyone
> interested?  nah, forget it.  It could never happen. 

If anyone throws one and would like a little disco-funk, get me there and
I'll play for free. That would be the rush from hell! Dancing to every
song like it might be your last.... cause it might be... :)

-/\/itro-

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( from ravedata news http://www.ravedata.com )

Doc Martin is Recovering
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is
 still in Intensive Care, he has begun to recover from pancreitis (infection
of the
 pancreas), or something very similar, and is expected to be fine over time.

 It is believed that he and his family do not want to spend a lot of time
 answering questions about what's going on (since they've obviously have a lot
 to deal with). Let us await his full recovery and return to what he does best
 (let's just be ready to give him a warm "welcome-back!" when that time
 approaches)...

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This is fuckin' hilarious!!!

Todd Moody wrote:

With all this talk of good and bad films on the list lately, here's a list
of the Top 21 Raver Film Rentals of 1999!  Enjoy

> Huggie Goes Bananas - While on tour in Brazil, popular west-coast
> trance DJ Huggie eats some bad clams followed by a hefty dose of
> mescaline.  Zany!  (PG-13)
>
> Honey, I Shrunk the Positive Kids - When Matt's dad's matter-reducing
> machine goes haywire, the Positive Kids and Happy League find
> themselves only 1/4-inch tall!  Watch as Dica narrowly escapes being
> impaled on an Ortofon Super OM needle. (PG)
>
> Honey, I Blew Up the Packard - When a deranged promoter begins
> detonating Detroit venues, it's up to a plucky young group of candy
> ravers to deliver vigilante justice... Detroit style! (i.e., kicking
> ass and taking wallets).  (R)
>
> Ginos in the Mist - The true story of a brave raver's journey into
> Toronto's club scene, risking life and limb for a better understanding
> of fashion-ho clubbers.  Not for the faint-hearted.  (R)
>
> Not Without My Glowsticks - While on vacation in the middle east, a
> boy's glowsticks are unjustly confiscated while at a party entitled
> "It's All About the Oppression," just before his scheduled return to
> the US.  Set in Iran when glowstick opposition was at an all-time
> high.  Starring some kid you've never heard of, and Mary Stuart
> Masterson as his mom.  (PG)
>
> Discovering My Lesbian La-La - Docu-drama adaptation of the 10-week
> best-seller!  A schizophrenic girl projects her suppressed
> homosexuality, seeing it in her talking Teletubbies doll.  (PG-13)
>
> Swede Family Lekibush - It's fun for the whole family when Cari
> Lekibush, Adam Beyer, and all those adorable heroes of Swedish techno
> are shipwrecked with a bunch of Kooky Scientist records on an island
> in the South Pacific, and are forced to construct tables and a sound
> system using cypress tree bark, a boar skeleton, and some coconuts.
> Starring Sir Lawrence Oliviet as Cari Lekibush.  (G)
>
> Driving Miss Djax - When a retired DJ moves to Amsterdam to find work
> as a chaffeur, who should he pick up as his first client but an aged
> Djax (Kathy Bates), who insists in her senility that there are "Piggly
> Wigglies" in Holland.  Co-starring Morgan Freeman as Kenny Ken.  (PG-13)
>
> Fluffy Bunny's Big Candy Adventure in Foo-Foo Land 2 - Fluffy Bunny is
> back in the sequel to last year's box office smash, and it's sure to
> delight candy ravers and 2-year-olds alike.  Watch as Fluffy Bunny and
> the rest of the PLURry Pals seek the mystery of "E Island."  WARNING:
> some scenes may induce seizure.  (G)
>
> Toking with the Enemy - While getting seriously fucked-up on some
> primo cheeba with her housemates, 22-year-old Jennifer (Michele
> Weinberger) realizes that the guy who just passed her the bong is none
> other than her sketched-out ex-boyfriend Larry (Christian Slater), who
> dumped her and has totally avoided her ever since, still owing her $40
> and a bunch of New Order CDs.  (PG-13)
>
> Dial "E" for Ecstasy - A bored partykid dials a 1-900 number after
> playing 17 hours of Tomb Raider 3 and listening to too much DJ
> Assault.  When he turns up dead as a doornail in a transgendered
> prostitute's apartment, it's up to one hard-ass New York cop to be
> drawn into a web of intrigue and get sexed-up by all the suspects.
> (NC-17)
>
> Ritchie 'n' Me - The touching tale of a homeless boy's adoption by
> Ritchie Hawtin, when the prince of techno realizes he needs an heir
> and pupil to his legacy.  Yule Brenner stars as Ritchie Hawtin, with
> Jonathan Ke Quan as "Timmy."  (G)
>
> Superstar DJ Keoki's Day Off - After a rousing evening of heroin,
> weed, and crystal, Keoki decides there's no way in hell he's gonna
> show for his gig that night!  Watch the wacky madcap antics ensue as
> Keoki fools everyone from his agent to his clients, and finally vomits
> all over himself and $3,000 worth of equipment before passing out.
> Laugh riot!  Superstar DJ Keoki and numerous stand-ins star.  (NC-17)
>
> When Ravers Attack, vol. VII - The long-awaited 7th installment in
> this enormously lucrative series.  This volume brings you shocking
> footage of the BTS beating down innocent kids, teenagers going berzerk
> on glass, and a must-see scene involving a group of gabber DJ's eating
> the corpse of a road-slain armadillo!  (NR)
>
> The Blowpop Kid - An eccentric marketing genius from Charms visits
> Goa, India in an attempt to increase Blowpop market penetration in the
> local trance scene.  Musing over the complete lack of interest in his
> tasty, gum-filled candy, he discovers a local guru who produces his
> own line of psychedelic lollipops, called "Psuckers."  Charms seeks a
> joint-venture in marketing the product worldwide, and changes the rave
> scene forever.  Gene Wilder, Fisher Stevens.  (PG)
>
> Raid 2: "This Time It's Personal" - When a violent LA police raid on a
> peaceful warehouse party claims the life of Adam X, Frankie Bones vows
> revenge on the LAPD, forming a renegade squad of techno DJ/producers
> known as the "X-Team."  Sylvester Stallone as Frankie Bones.  (R)
>
> A Raver Runs Through It - Critically-acclaimed story of two Nebraska
> sisters of opposite personalities--one a gabber nut, the other a house
> head--who share one common love: fly-fishing.  Based on the novel of
> the same name.  (PG)
>
> N.U.K. - The candy raver son of an eccentric genetic engineer is the
> accidental victim of a drive-by shooting, severaly damaging his arms
> and legs.  His father builds him a set of new bionic limbs and a
> cybernetic voice box to correct his cracking voice, giving him a new
> life dedicated to fighting crime and wack promoters.  Filled with
> annoying but adorable cyborg fight-scene puns: "Now that's what I call
> a breakbeat!"  Jonathon Taylor Thomas as RoboRaver.  (R)
>
> As Candy As We Wanna Be - Four bisexual speed addicts decide to shoot
> porno films to raise money to support their habit of meth and parties.
> Starring Shirley G. and Matt "Glowstick" McMannon.
> (X)
>
> A Flyer For Miss Julie - An elderly woman's life is transformed when
> she's given a flyer for a full-moon party in the Arizona desert,
> eventually leading to her rise as the best producer in the western
> hemisphere.  (PG)
>
> Dateline NBC Too Hot for TV - The provocative exposé that shocked a
> nation!  Exclusive behind-the-scenes footage proving that popular
> network television "news magazines" are sexy drug-infested drugfests,
> loaded with sex and drugs and people having sex while on drugs!
> (NR)
>
> PLUR,
>
> Todd  =)
>
> _________________________________________
>
> "I'm basically pro-humanity and anti-bad things."
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
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>How old are you tad? 23-24~.. how long have you been attending
>parties? 6-7 years? 24 - 7 = 17.. this couldn't be right, could it?
24 years old, 5 years,   = 19  first year of college *shrug*  all and just
about all the ravers I hung out with were college students or.. High school
graduates with one exception.


>That would mean you were in .. *gasp* highschool when you
>started going ta parties ;)... Hell, I know I was.. actually,
>my first party was when I was in JUNIOR high.. I am one of
>the youngest OldSchool kids I know just because of this fact...
>

STill I knew several Highschoolers that 'raved' back then... BUT they
seemed to be in the minority not the majority and pretty much all of them
were there for the music, could dance (some of the best dancers actually,
Anyone else know 'Little Steph' from columbus? an amazing dancer).  

Now it seems 'Raving' is the 'in' thing in highschool... some little 16
year came into where I work the other day and tried to sell me E, and all
the kids I work with are talking about tranquility, I heard only one
mention of a DJ: pish posh (who the person incidentally thought was a punk
band similiar to Braniac, a local punk band) the rest is about  what drugs
they are going to take.


>well.. gotta jet.. paaj will be back on Saturday BTW..
>
is he visiting or...? moving back?

tad

>
>
>
>
>


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powdered toastman wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, DJ dotcom wrote:
> 
> > btw... does anyone have ANY clue what dates Furthur '99 is planned for
> > yet?????
> 
> may 28-31, memorial day weekend this year

I thought I remeber Kurt/Dropbass posting something awhile ago about
Further dates and saying they were definitely NOT having it on Memorial
DAy weekend this year. Or maybe that was this past year? Does anyone
else remember seeing this??? At my age, I coulda dreamed it I guess,
hehehe. 

-- Robin


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We have been having a disagreement on pb-cle as to how this is pronounced.
Some say:

Au-tek-ra

Some say:

Au-tek-er

opinions?
thanks
pixie
(ps...i say Au-tek-ra...if you think I'm wrong, feel free to flame me, i
love it )


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> We have been having a disagreement on pb-cle as to how this is pronounced.
> Some say:
> 
> Au-tek-ra
> 
> Some say:
> 
> Au-tek-er

 i believe the correct pronouncement is:

Au-tay-cher

or at least all the industial peeps i know say that...

bom shankar!
--boo


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     Many conservatives in Congress, however, oppose such change.
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aliens telepathing 'Love' to their baggy-pantsed children? Techno should
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standing in one place and swaying peacefully. I say, bring back the days
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the have it posted on thier website as being on memorial day weekend this
year



>powdered toastman wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, DJ dotcom wrote:
>>
>> > btw... does anyone have ANY clue what dates Furthur '99 is planned for
>> > yet?????
>>
>> may 28-31, memorial day weekend this year
>
>I thought I remeber Kurt/Dropbass posting something awhile ago about
>Further dates and saying they were definitely NOT having it on Memorial
>DAy weekend this year. Or maybe that was this past year? Does anyone
>else remember seeing this??? At my age, I coulda dreamed it I guess,
>hehehe.
>
>-- Robin
>


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You know I was thinking the other day, "You know what I think the internet
needs?  Ill tell you what the internet needs. Another porn site cause
dog-gone-it-to-all-heck-and-back, I cant seem to find pictures, movies,
stories, or various other forms of media of people having sex anywhere on 
this Internet.  And what good is all this information if you cant jerk
off to it?  Its good for squat."

So we do need raver porn.  (This was the one reason I wished "IM BOUT IT"
would actually happen....)

In fact, one night I even wrote the outline for an entire raver porn film
(not as difficult as you might think).  But I have yet to start the
filming process because alas, I only know one person with Down Syndrome
(the script calls for tweleve) and I dont know anyone who owns a llama.

oh well.  My creative genius will continue to go unfulfilled.

bye, 
swodaem


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>In a message dated 2/10/99 6:39:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>mplaffey@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
><< canned  >>
> HAHAHAHAHA
>Then it means its not free! You have to buy the canned food spome where.
>Unless you go to your Neibors house and tell them your collecting canned
food
>for the poor.
>


naw just bring some of those gov' ment canned goods, or ever better some
gov' ment cheese !!!!!

iySyS
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Werd!   Harrison Bergeron kicked so much ass.  I saw it with a few friends
the 1st time, and have been reccommending it ever since.  of course after
watching a few times, the cynic in me started pointing out flaws in the
movie, but nevertheless the film is one of the better ones out there for
you wonderers...

ciao,
     Mike


>Highly recommended...food for thought...now give ME some food!  and i'm
out...
>
>HuGZ,
>Absolut "i'm talking and i can't shut up" Relevance (like vodka without the
>hangover)
>
>


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>filming process because alas, I only know one person with Down Syndrome
>(the script calls for tweleve) and I dont know anyone who owns a llama.
>


actually matt and coleen who run univibe
coleens parents own a llama farm
but sorry i dunno anyone with downs

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Ok I admit...that's me in that picture....

...and that little 12 yr old girl is my cousin. So I am from Russia,
we consider those things quite normal...I believe I am allowed to have
a little fun and get paid for it right?

:)

Speaking of having fun...you are all invited to witness me and Gip and
James Martin get it on at Birthright while I spin the hardest polka
available. Pictures will be taken for our OWN raver porn site. 100%
raver....nothing fake....we'll even have blowpops and glowsticks and
wutnot

Hopefully not 2 many people reply to this cuz I am jes bored and
sitting here at work and have nothing better to do but be stupid.

My 0.0000002 rubles
DJ TsarPenis




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>Stop it!
>I'm blushing!
>(in the most "fem" voice I can do)
>

and believe me thats  pretty damn fem voice !!!!

iySyS
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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, B.O.R. Productions wrote:

> 
> >filming process because alas, I only know one person with Down Syndrome
> >(the script calls for tweleve) and I dont know anyone who owns a llama.
> >
> 
> 
> actually matt and coleen who run univibe
> coleens parents own a llama farm
> but sorry i dunno anyone with downs

well....

Do any of the llamas have downs then?

Adam


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>On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, B.O.R. Productions wrote:
>
>>
>> >filming process because alas, I only know one person with Down Syndrome
>> >(the script calls for tweleve) and I dont know anyone who owns a llama.
>> >
>>
>>
>> actually matt and coleen who run univibe
>> coleens parents own a llama farm
>> but sorry i dunno anyone with downs
>
>well....
>
>Do any of the llamas have downs then?
>
maybe,....you might wanna check into that, im sure one or 2 of them probably
do
did you ever concider adding in a satan worshipping demon with glowing
yellow eyes ? cause if so im pretty sure i can find you one of those


iySyS
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passion for their music and culture."  -- Kidentropy


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Ok, i just found out that GENE FARRIS is going to be in chicago this saturday
at For The Love Of The Music....... because i found out at the last minute it
is highly unlikely that i will be able to make it. For those of you who don't
know I LOVE GENE FARRIS, he is my number one favorite dj in the world, so my
question is does anyone know where he will be playing after he does the
chicago party??? 
~*HuGz*~  Laine

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Yo, I dunno what is with all the PLAYA HATING on this list, but 
raverporn guy, thanks for the free pics... I blew my sticky wad with the 
help of one of em... and I DOUBT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!

ppl like V/Jak off are surely impotent losers who cant appreciate a 
decent effort... I thought the chick was cute, and I'd pay money to see 
someone do her in the ass. Any chance of this, maybe a private showing?

Hell, I'd even do her in the ass if it came down to it.

so thanks again seizure, or whatever i should call you... I have seen 
raverporn on the net and on video but never on this wackass list... show 
us more! Jace

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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Pixie wrote:

> We have been having a disagreement on pb-cle as to how this is pronounced.
> Some say:
> 
> Au-tek-ra
> 

I have recently learned to pronounce it this way (Au-tek-ra).  I used to
say arch-tech-sure which is a complete butchering of the word I know (and
a little too similair to the people that design buildings.)

Once I asked Terre Thaemelitz about how to pronounce that silly thing and
it turned out to be his real name (pronounced Terry Tame-litz if I
remember right)!  I was only minorly embarassed cause it is a silly
spelling.

Adam



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Ah-Tek-Er

at least thats how i pronounce it.....

anyone out there have the Gescom minidisc?     ill trade some nifty stuff
for a good copy of it...(in CD format)...   

also has anyone out there picked up Peel Sessions which just came out on
Warp/Nothing???    how is it?   (is it lush or more abrasive?   emotional
and heartfelt or abstraKt.fractured.beats? (not saying that abstraKt
fractured.beats arent heartfelt...))

-mikeD




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> ok thanks to the person who posted how to view the pics on my site
>without an adultcheck id the pictures have been removed untill i can get
>an new adult verification system

*snicker*   you shoudla thought of that before posting it to a mailing
list....especially when the subject matter is this..

> oh yeah and what about being tastefull?
> guess thats out of the question

ask yourself that question...  even though "ravers" were depicted in your
web.site...it has nothing to do with this mailer...  

> if anyone poses for my site i will make sure to come all over your
>face because thats what people like

if the pics were better done..(are you the photographer who took these?)
then it would have been more delightful...   if you post a porn site
up...make sure its GOOD porn...not substandard.    WE WANT THE MONEY
SHOT!!!!!!   ;P~~

> ok thank you for such a positive response for trying to do something
>creative and interesting about our scene

creative and interesting???   a little bit...   i was thinking moe on the
lines of "how do i make money off these people?"   

dont get me wrong...im all for porn...tasteful or not...  but its just not
appropriate on this list...is it?

-mikeD



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At 09:24 11-2-99 -0500, Pixie wrote:

>Some say:
>Au-tek-ra
>
>Some say:
>Au-tek-er
>
>opinions?

And in come the Dutch with G's harder than the hardest G's in Compton...

They're all wrong. It's pronounced as "ow-tehgruh", with the "g" prounced
as the "ch" in Loch Ness and the "ow" like you hurt your nuts. I have
studied English phonetics, so I can put up a graphic of the exact phonetic
transcription online if you want. For all you trainspotters out there: the
phonetic symbol for that g would be an X.

Eye-D 

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anyone download these? i missed seeing them...wanna know what all the hype
is...

bom shankar!
--boo


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     Many conservatives in Congress, however, oppose such change.
"U.S. techno-industrial is hardcore, and it must stay hardcore," said Sen.
Orrin Hatch (R-UT). "Would Al Jourgensen wear a T-shirt depicting smiley
aliens telepathing 'Love' to their baggy-pantsed children? Techno should
be about hate, not love. Techno is about wearing black and screaming, not
standing in one place and swaying peacefully. I say, bring back the days
of Skinny Puppy." 

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anyone know where i can get one of those t-shirts with the gerber baby's
face on it that says gabber under it ???
anybody have any idea what im talkin about ???

iySyS
ensYd magazine
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sister djs

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passion for their music and culture."  -- Kidentropy


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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, MikeD wrote:

> Ah-Tek-Er
> 
> at least thats how i pronounce it.....

ditto
 
> anyone out there have the Gescom minidisc?     ill trade some nifty stuff
> for a good copy of it...(in CD format)...   

No, but I have it on vinyl (I believe).  Do you track titles?  I could 
burn a CD copy of it for you.
 
> also has anyone out there picked up Peel Sessions which just came out on
> Warp/Nothing???    how is it?   (is it lush or more abrasive?   emotional
> and heartfelt or abstraKt.fractured.beats? (not saying that abstraKt
> fractured.beats arent heartfelt...))

I pre-ordered this and haven't yet received it.  I'll have to look into 
that, thanks for reminding me.



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for the last time, i can get them for you. just remind me when we are at
home to get the info for them
pix



>anyone know where i can get one of those t-shirts with the gerber baby's
>face on it that says gabber under it ???
>anybody have any idea what im talkin about ???
>
>iySyS
>ensYd magazine
>B.O.R. Productions
>sister djs
>
>http://baroness.bluegrass.net
>http://ensyd.bluegrass.net
>http://www.djdazy.com/list.html
>
>"Real heads don't use acronyms to encapsulate a feeling, a love, and a
>passion for their music and culture."  -- Kidentropy
>


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MikeD wrote:
> 
> Ah-Tek-Er
> 

jesus christ... i never thought i'd see this thread on mw-raves. it's been on
the ambient and idm lists countless times in the past 5 years. i guess the
good music is finally moving into the midwest.  ;)



> 
> also has anyone out there picked up Peel Sessions which just came out on
> Warp/Nothing???    how is it?   (is it lush or more abrasive?   emotional
> and heartfelt or abstraKt.fractured.beats? (not saying that abstraKt
> fractured.beats arent heartfelt...))


i listened to some of it in a store here in town, and although i don't keep up
with Autechre's track names, it sounded almost exactly like tracks from
Tri-Reptae. I'll buy anything Autechre, but not if I already have it.

just got skam 003 for $1.99.   :)

jason
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> > anyone out there have the Gescom minidisc?     ill trade some nifty stuff
> > for a good copy of it...(in CD format)...   
> No, but I have it on vinyl (I believe).  Do you track titles?  I could 
> burn a CD copy of it for you.

steven..you are thinking of a different one..  the Gescom Minidisc was the
first ever Minidisc ONLY release  =)   its about 70+ tracks and you are
"supposed to" put them on random shufflein the minidisc player  =)   

> > also has anyone out there picked up Peel Sessions which just came out on
> > Warp/Nothing???    how is it?   (is it lush or more abrasive?   emotional
> > and heartfelt or abstraKt.fractured.beats? (not saying that abstraKt
> > fractured.beats arent heartfelt...))
> I pre-ordered this and haven't yet received it.  I'll have to look into 
> that, thanks for reminding me.

the nothing release came out last week....   its a cd only release..the
import version came out on Warp like 2-3 weeks ago...its both vinyl and
cd...   ill prolly end up just getting the cd....cheaper (domestically
distroed)..

-mikeD



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the correct pronunciation of "autechre" is:

"led-zep-plin"



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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Robin Urmanic wrote:

> > may 28-31, memorial day weekend this year
> 
> I thought I remeber Kurt/Dropbass posting something awhile ago about
> Further dates and saying they were definitely NOT having it on Memorial
> DAy weekend this year. Or maybe that was this past year? Does anyone
> else remember seeing this??? At my age, I coulda dreamed it I guess,
> hehehe. 

if i remember correctly, that was Chad Sommer that posted it.  i was
relaying website info. i don't even live in the midwest anymore, so i
could be wrong.  but wasn't Furthur the last weekend in May last year?
The last weekend in May this year is Memorial Day Weekend...

			paul toastman


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I can make you one girl if you can get me the image of the Gerber Baby.
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>anyone know where i can get one of those t-shirts with the gerber baby's
>face on it that says gabber under it ???
>anybody have any idea what im talkin about ???
>
>iySyS
>ensYd magazine
>B.O.R. Productions
>sister djs
>
>http://baroness.bluegrass.net
>http://ensyd.bluegrass.net
>http://www.djdazy.com/list.html
>
>"Real heads don't use acronyms to encapsulate a feeling, a love, and a
>passion for their music and culture."  -- Kidentropy
>


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does anybody have any info on any parties in the midwest on the 19th or 20th
besides chicago? email me privately
thanks

jackiE

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Curtis Tiffany wrote:

>>> *blows his hulla whistle*
>>>
>>
>>fuckin candyravers


>fuckin one liners!      

fuck yeah!!!!!


[my contribution to net.spam] :P~~~

Prasad


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Players and player-haters,

For those interested... I updated once more. :) I put up three new real
audio files since the last time I bothered you about my site.

Please feel free to hit me with your comments, be they positive or
negative. I've never had an e-mail that said, "Your site sucks my ass," so
maybe I'll get lukcy this time.

The real audio files for my upcoming release on Ghetto Safari (#6) entitled
"Down from the Waist up" are also still there.

http://www.kultbox.com/eye-d

Vrede,

Eye-D 

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We went to thank everyone who came out last night to make our one year
anniversary.  This past year was made possible because of all of you...

Also we are sorry for anyone would could not get in.  It was out of our
control and the bar was at capacity at 11:30.

I will make it up to everyone who get not get in.

Thanks again,

Jon Layne










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Had more fun last night than I've had at a party or related event in a
long time. 
This was a perfect example of how u don't have to be in a warehouse in
the most cracked out part of Detroit to be a part of something real...in
fact this was just the opposite.

Shout outs to all u friendly kidz I chatted it up with...oh and doris
grrl, i hope your injury subsides soon.

bekka.



Jon Layne wrote:
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> We went to thank everyone who came out last night to make our one year
> anniversary.  This past year was made possible because of all of you...
>

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In a message dated 2/11/99 12:11:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
seizure@mindless.com writes:

<< the pill was a joke
 maybe you didnt get it but that is what alot of people think about e
 
 and it is not pedaphilia
 i have all the signed legal documents from both of them
 and it is illegal to copyright illigal porn so it is impossible to call it
pedaphilia
 
 so chill the fuck out >>

naw you chill the fuck out.

1.  your initial post was spam.  spam directed at a fucking mailing list...
On top of the shit i get in the way of spam initially... i have to open up my
mailbox and see the advertisement for your crap... spamming a mailing list to
drum up people to check out your 'porn' isn't in the bylaws... 

2.  the 'joke' about e.  I don't find it funny... especially when you promote
the fucking shit out of it... then send it out to thousands... ravers and
nonravers... who get this tiny idea put in their head... "if i can get her to
roll..."  if it was a chick snorting a line of coke... would it be any
different... and isn't that illegal in and of itself... the pill didn't look
too fake... whats the difference between child porn and drug porn?  did you
get them to sign a statement on that?

entro


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> ok thanks to the person who posted how to view the pics on my site
> without an adultcheck id the pictures have been removed untill i can get
> an new adult verification system
----
haha. if you know a thing or two about webserver and put the pics
in a secured directory, this wouldn't happen. .htaccess, baby!

still, i wouldn't mind seeing the pics :>

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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:26:41 -0500 (EST) MikeD <mikeyd@pubnix.org>
writes:
>
>steven..you are thinking of a different one..  the Gescom Minidisc was 
>the first ever Minidisc ONLY release  =)   its about 70+ tracks and you 
>are "supposed to" put them on random shufflein the minidisc player  =)  

>
>-mikeD
>
>
>

If any one has this, or Mike, if you get a copy...I'd like one too. 
Preferably on MiniDisc, since I have one.

Believe it or not, you might even try Best Buy.  They actually sell
prerecorded Mini Discs.  Autechre is on a major label after all, so who
knows...They may have it.  Best Buy has a pretty decent techno selection.

	Joe
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Prove me wrong.

Rave = Disco


Matt
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Hey im hung like a horse, ill make some raver porn.  The only problem is i
need some bitches!!!


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February 19, 1999
ICU Promotions and Club 616 bring you:

Kimball Collins (you know 'im...) No telling what he'll play...
DJ Max Gram ( Atom/Solid, Canada) Progressive and Hard Trance
Graflin (Velocity/Ox, Memphis) Progressive House and Trance
Stephen (WEVL, Memphis) Progressive Trance
DJ Tsunami (OneLove, Memphis)  Hard Funky House

This is part of The Official International Club Union Tour
    featuring the CD release of Kimball Collins's ICU Records - Session One

$12 at the door
10pm +
This is at a club space, so you must be 18 , or older, to enter

Club 616
600 Marshall
Memphis
(901) 526-6552
www.club616.com


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Amanda, (my evil twin) writes:

>maybe,....you might wanna check into that, im sure one or 2 of them 
>probably
>do
>did you ever concider adding in a satan worshipping demon with 
>glowing
>yellow eyes ? cause if so im pretty sure i can find you one of those

Actually, I believe colleen and matt from univibe can hook it up if you
need a satan worshipping demon llama with glowing
yellow eyes --> see, they breed 'em to match many an eclectic
taste......BTW, i hear they only charge $1.00 to ride one.......

X's and O's,
jessica/jesc



















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>Superstar DJ Keoki's Day Off - After a rousing evening of heroin,
>weed, and crystal, Keoki decides there's no way in hell he's gonna
>show for his gig that night!  Watch the wacky madcap antics ensue as
>Keoki fools everyone from his agent to his clients, and finally vomits
>all over himself and $3,000 worth of equipment before passing out. 
>Laugh riot!  Superstar DJ Keoki and numerous stand-ins star.  (NC-17)
>

*lol* props to Todd, that is HILARIOUS (however, you forgot to mention
the part where he smokes crack
with a misguided 15-year-old and seduces her with his best pickup line: 
"No, I don't have AIDS, that's 
just a filthy rumor!!")

kisses,
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#1) I call it "AHhh-Teck-rA", cause I can and it pisses people off ;). seems
more phonetically correct as well (au=ahh, tec= teck, re= re
not er... why most like to invert the last two letters is beyond me...)

#2) check out a new group called Air-"e"o"-vein (I'm spelling it
phonetically again ;)... they sound just like autchre.. pretty chill
(I'm pretty sure they are not) ..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>Are you going to be there????  I'd really like to go...


yep.. I think, but REGARDLESS OF ALL THAT-->

Lets have a modulations net meet.. I'm sure their are some columbus
mw kids on this list, right? Lets try and go to an early showing
on saterday, possibly meet some kids, and chill till the party...

sound good? only catch is that I am spinning at a local house party
tonight (preparty ta tranquility.. official I think, but very .. DL)..
but.. umm.. If i wake from that early, I'll drop you a line...

btw- wanna go? it is $2.00 for nobody but kids like me... I'm not
getting paid by any of it, so feel free to argue about the price..

  o0o[qiB.]o0o






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To: "soulbeatz@juno.com *+*Jessica/jesc*+*" <soulbeatz@juno.com>
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>> Superstar DJ Keoki's Day Off - After a rousing evening of heroin,
>> weed, and crystal, Keoki decides there's no way in hell he's gonna
>> show for his gig that night!  Watch the wacky madcap antics ensue
>> as Keoki fools everyone from his agent to his clients, and finally
>> vomits all over himself and $3,000 worth of equipment before
>> passing out.  Laugh riot!  Superstar DJ Keoki and numerous >>
stand-ins star.  (NC-17)

> *lol* props to Todd, that is HILARIOUS (however, you forgot to
> mention the part where he smokes crack with a misguided 15-year-old
> and seduces her with his best pickup line:  "No, I don't have AIDS,
> that's  just a filthy rumor!!")

Well, see I'm pretty sure Keoki is gay, so writing in the young girl
would make it a work of fiction. ;)

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wassup chillies.

jus' a quick note to announce that if any of you columbus peeps would like
to be on the guest list for rocmuzik? tonite @ chelsies, to email me
directly at:

	info@rocmuzik.com

and i'll plop you on there. i'll be checkin the emails around 6pm est
tonite so try and git yer requests in before that.

peace. see ya there...
kevy kev.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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	network 23 and  spice rack present
	ROCMUZIK? :BIG BEAT:NU SCHOOL BREAKS:DRUM'N'BASS
	(ie - *body*rock music)

	thursday:feb:11th:99 . columbus, ohio

	featuring a VERY special
	guest dj spot from
	metamorphic/resdiual
	recording artist...

	[ TITONTON DUVANTE ] | metamorphic/resdiual recordings
	bringing back the haiku drum'n'bass style on tha 1's and 2's.

	[ KEVY KEV ] | the big beat breakcore badboy
	droppin tha BIG, phat beats for your BIG, phat ass.

	[ POPPA HOPP ] | the karmageddon beat destroyer
	just back from the europa music conference in paris.

	::

$3 before midnight and $4 after
( flyer has a misprint on admission price )
18 and over welcome. doors open at 10pm


ROCMUZIK? will take place at CHELSIE's
980 north high street ( at 2nd ave ) in the short north of
columbus. ohio (9 blocks south of ohio state)

for a map check out: http://www.rocmuzik.com/chelsie'sMAP.html

	::

	MORE INFO: 614.780.8044

	FUTURE ROCMUZIK? OUTBOUNDS: feb 25th, feat. / VERGE (drum'n'bass).

	*please* check out http://www.rocmuzik.com
	for event updates, dj profiles, underground news
	and 12" reviews from the realm of the broken phunky beats.

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wassup chillies.


jus' a quick note to announce that if any of you columbus peeps would
like to be on the guest list for rocmuzik? tonite @ chelsies, to email
me directly at:


	info@rocmuzik.com


and i'll plop you on there. i'll be checkin the emails around 6pm est
tonite so try and git yer requests in before that.


peace. see ya there...

kevy kev.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

	::

	::


	network 23 and  spice rack present

	<bold>ROCMUZIK? </bold>:BIG BEAT:NU SCHOOL BREAKS:DRUM'N'BASS

	(ie - *body*rock music)


	thursday:feb:11th:99 . columbus, ohio


	featuring a VERY special 

	guest dj spot from 

	metamorphic/resdiual

	recording artist...


	<bold>[ TITONTON DUVANTE ] </bold>| metamorphic/resdiual recordings 

	bringing back the haiku drum'n'bass style on tha 1's and 2's.


	<bold>[ KEVY KEV ] </bold>| the big beat breakcore badboy

	droppin tha BIG, phat beats for your BIG, phat ass.


	<bold>[ POPPA HOPP ] </bold>| the karmageddon beat destroyer

	just back from the europa music conference in paris.


	::


$3 before midnight and $4 after

( flyer has a misprint on admission price )

18 and over welcome. doors open at 10pm



<bold>ROCMUZIK?</bold> will take place at CHELSIE's

980 north high street ( at 2nd ave ) in the short north of

columbus. ohio (9 blocks south of ohio state)


for a map check out: http://www.rocmuzik.com/chelsie'sMAP.html


	::


	MORE INFO: 614.780.8044


	FUTURE <bold>ROCMUZIK?</bold> OUTBOUNDS: feb 25th, feat. /
<bold>VERGE</bold> (drum'n'bass).


	<bold>*please* </bold>check out http://www.rocmuzik.com 

	for event updates, dj profiles, underground news 

	and 12" reviews from the realm of the broken phunky beats.


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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, MikeD wrote:

> steven..you are thinking of a different one..  the Gescom Minidisc was the
> first ever Minidisc ONLY release  =)   its about 70+ tracks and you are
> "supposed to" put them on random shufflein the minidisc player  =)   

Wow...   that's impressive.  If more of this is to happen it's more 
reason for me to dig up a used portable MiniDisc recorder.  You wouldn't 
happen to know anyone wanting to sell one would you?
 
> the nothing release came out last week....   its a cd only release..the
> import version came out on Warp like 2-3 weeks ago...its both vinyl and
> cd...   ill prolly end up just getting the cd....cheaper (domestically
> distroed)..

Bah, so much for the pre-release list I'm on.



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everybody go to www.bandit.org, and get all the passwords you want,
you can even make a request to bandit for adultcheck id's

happy surfing


On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 seizure@mindless.com wrote:

> 
> > what? you give this site out and i need a login? adult check???? pfffuh. i
> > think anyone giving a porn site on this list and DOESN'T give a login with
> > it should be tarred and feathered. 
> 
> wellllll
> its my site
> soooooooo
> im not giving away free id's at my expense
> i can not afford to spend thousads of dollars so everyone can have an id 
> 
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> > i can not afford to spend thousads of dollars so everyone can have an id 

THOUSANDS of Dollars???  What did you spend all the money on???  It couldn't
of been for Microscopic Mike and Titless Tina!  :)~*
muah*
-Lisa

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 seizure@mindless.com wrote:

> YES! the first raver porn site on the internet!

hm...we've had a uc-raves porn site for a month or two...


> 
> http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn
> 
> and if you are interestes in becoming a raver porn star
> email me at killshotprod@xoommail.com
> 
> also
> dont forget this sunday
> 
> DJ SPLENDID
> sound underground recordings / killshot productions
> feb 14
> 10 pm
> amys cafe
> 414 w gilman
> 21 + no cover
> 
> 
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>I blew my sticky wad with the
>help of one of em...

The sad bit is, this is probably the only way you could blow one...
I doubt any self respecting girl would let you stick that dirty
and (quite possibly) infected thing near her...

enjoy your hand, mate.. I'll stick with the real thing...
If even that, cause sex isn't what makes my world go round.. when
you grow up, and get past the age of 18, your hormones will die
down and you will understand that #1) woman are people, like
yourself.. not bitches put on this earth just for money shots to the
face.. and #2) the only long lasting things that can come from sex
are babies and diseases (same thing, really).. and I don't want either..
Orgasms are momentary, and get old...

(word to the wise: the fun you feel when you orgasm is due to
endorphins rushing through your body. if you like that so much,
why don't cha give heroin a shot.. it will make you feel good,
and I couldn't think of a nicer person to receive such a wonderful
gift of addiction than yourself, mate =)..

>and I DOUBT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!


ehhh.. I'm not even going to think about that one...

>ppl like V/Jak off are surely impotent losers who cant appreciate a >decent
effort...

I can appreciate a decent effort if one was made (and concent
was gathered by both parties).. that was straight
fucking lame, kiddo.. every self respecting sexual deviant on this
list voiced this opinion yesterday.. The decor, the angles of the
shots.. all very pathetic IMHO.. what kinda porn do you watch?
Obviously ones with pasty, out of shape girls getting
the ol prod from pudgy, scrawny boys...

just what I wanted to see, a dark and dingy room filled with
frustrated little raver boys (and girls I probably wouldn't
want to touch) rubbing their various unmentionable mounds of love
together, undulating and jerking in fained animalistic ecstasy
(opposed to our pharmaceutical kind ;).. And then upon their
collective orgasmic screams of climax they'll dismount and spend
many an hour rubbing their cold sores ripe with the soothing
ointment of the gods... tis almost rather Burrough-zian (to be lame
and quote myself ;)....

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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:: qib wrote::

>SoOoo, who are these dorks? anybody know? ..

i heard it wuz dica and his mom ;-P
now, how about sum wilhelm k porn?  anyone up fer a little game of find a
fold and fuck it?  can we plan that as one of the events at the mw party?
  please.  we could play fer ham flavored jellybeans ;-)~

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     Ah shit, here we go...
     
     rEalm


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:: qib wrote::
     
>SoOoo, who are these dorks? anybody know? ..
     
i heard it wuz dica and his mom ;-P
now, how about sum wilhelm k porn?  anyone up fer a little game of find a 
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  please.  we could play fer ham flavored jellybeans ;-)~
     
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>  What did you spend all the money on???  It couldn't
> of been for Microscopic Mike and Titless Tina!  :)~*
> muah*
> -Lisa
> 

actually they are not the only people i photographed
i planned to put new ones up every week or so
i pay the models $200 an hour
so yes that is where i put the money and 
and i really cant belive that the size of someones tits are all that important
personally like small tits
but if you want to offer yours for the site 
like i said i pay well

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> the author is the same guy who predicted (among other > accurate
things apparently) that the soviet union > would be the 1st country to
send stuff into space + 
> the u.s. would have to send people to the moon to 
> compete.

oops sorry that's the OTHER book i'm reading about immortality
(seriously). it's immortality in the physical sense though. the author
of the computer book predicted:

computer chess champion in 98 (it ended up being in 97)
the world wide web
computerized warfare
continuous speech recognition software
language translating telephones

i guess i shouldn't be trying to quote a book while i don't have it
with me while i am reding another book on a similar topic at the same
time.

-elias
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How do you know ol' Wilhem isn't behind this whole thing????
I've heard him say about the girls..."Old enough to pee...Old enough for
me."
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>i heard it wuz dica and his mom ;-P
>now, how about sum wilhelm k porn?  anyone up fer a little game of find a
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>  please.  we could play fer ham flavored jellybeans ;-)~
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nuf of the b.s.

has anyone ever heard, seen, or caught a fleeting glimpse of this album...
MOOD "DOOM" triple threat out of cleveland, oh... produced by hi-tek of mos
def, kwali talib fame...

just picked up the wax from music blvd. and quite impressed... no strike
that... hiiighly impressed...

any appearances?

entro

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i'm sure this has been covered on idm but there's a whole lot of
autechre-clone music floating around out there.

arovane, as mentioned...really cool laid back stuff on din, check the
first release, which i think is better than the 2nd.

funkstorung/chris deluca - scattered breaks and nice melodies.  the chris
deluca on chocolate industries is excellent, and i was really into the
bjork remix funkstorung did.

musik aus strom - german label with interesting packaging.  check the
aemic/aleph 12"...beautiful old-aphex twin-type melodies and crunchy
beats.  basically every release i've heard on the label borrows from
autechre.

as far as the peel sessions...the autechre one was ok, not particularly
melodic, but not as abrasive as some of their stuff.

the boards of canada peel session has 'happy cycling' which was the extra
track on the domestic release of their album... one of their better
tracks imho.

-dave



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 11 23:02:36 1999
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> #2) check out a new group called Air-"e"o"-vein (I'm spelling it
> phonetically again ;)... they sound just like autchre.. pretty chill
> (I'm pretty sure they are not) ..

arovane is pretty nice...as dave siska mentioned the #1 release is better
than #2 (on Din)...but i dont think they sound just like autechre...maybe
some of autechre's rmx shit...but as for original stuff *shrug*
autechre seems to have more of a "feeling"   that chest
gripping...something emotional is about to happen feeling...

if you enjoy the laid back "techno" that these german folk have been
pumping out...check out "Studio 1 Variations" by Brinkmann....same concept
as Richie's Concepts...but Mike Ink (aka Gas..and many other names) did
the original series...   excellent ladi back "techno"  

-mikeD

wow...never thought this much "idm" would be spoken of on mw-raves...

np:Dummy.Run:Ice.Cream.Headache



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mood is a hip hop group from cincinnati, not cleveland...tho i know some of
u chicagoans consider ohio one place, not several separate cities ;) :P
but yeah, that LP "doom" is right wicked.

>any appearances?

u mean, guest mc's?  holmskillit i think was on the last 12" i heard of
theirs...



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#1)
       Claude Young / Pattern Buffer 03
        (hard minimal techno with strong funky rhythms doeffler styled
sequences and neat futuristic filtering technique.)
         Djax                   12               $8.99
---------------------

Ok.. what the hell is this description supposed to mean? what is
a "doeffler" stsyled sequence? anybody know?? I like claude,
but I'm sketchy on djax cause I'm not all about the acid (any
more ;) .. anybody heard this?

#2)
       Klute / Blood Rich
        (x-perimental drum n bass and avante garde breakbeats)
         Certificate 18         10               $8.99
-----------------------------

This sounds like the shit.. #1 thing I'm about to order... how is
this label? I really need somebody to school me in who is cutting the
edge producing nearly unspinnable hard / experimental
drum and bass.. anybody wanna throw me some names of producers
or labels? I like it HARD .. and techie.. not melodic and sweat...


#3)
       V/A / Post Modern Broadcast
        (new comp from somewhere in the midwest. one disc of hard
challenging drum n bass trax & the other a mixture of hard electro techno
and acid styles...)
         Sinthetic              2x12             $15.99
--------------------------------

who are these kids? anybody know them....
got a email address for this label?

#4)
       V/A / Global 02
        (very hard pounding techno rhythms with super aggressive punchy
beats and very alien strange synths backing it up)
         Global                 12               $8.99

------------------------------------------------------[out]




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 12 00:34:09 1999
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>actually they are not the only people i photographed
>i planned to put new ones up every week or so
>i pay the models $200 an hour
>so yes that is where i put the money and
>and i really cant belive that the size of someones tits are all that important
>personally like small tits
>but if you want to offer yours for the site
>like i said i pay well


I really can't believe I'm seeing this on Mw-Raves.  I don't have anything
against porn, but I just find it a bit odd that this is being advertised
here.  And now the discussion has moved to the merits of adult check, why
paying for adult check is or isn't worthwhile, and why paying
seizure@mindless.com is or isn't worthwhile, etc..

If I got on a pyramid scheme kick and re-worded the sales pitch using
'raver' slang, would it be acceptable to spam the list with it?  C'mon, I'd
be helping you all out by helping you all make money, right?  The same goes
here, yeah, the porn has entertainment value, and perhaps some, er, sort of
erotic value, but I still really find it odd.  Seizue, how much do you make
doing this?  Is it lucrative?

Nothing against the parties involved, just somewhat baffled.





                                               -jp
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                                               <randomly stimulating>
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i don't remember seeing anyone mention this partie, so i thought i would..
oh yeah, and does anyone know what the deal with people saying it might be
18+? that's wack.. i hope it aint true.  i guess they would've mentioned
it on the flyer, and the 'nfo line.. grrr.

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Punisher(live)
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Presales tickets at
Changes, Threads, Mojo and Record Time..

i'll be there, maybe.. if it isn't 18+.  grr.
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so, a lil' while ago, some one on the list mentioned a goofy white
rapper.. named Eminem.. and i turned on the tv at 4 am and his video was
on.. and i realized my friend had played me some of his shit before (slim
shady EP and like, some other indi release).. and now, he's on mtv
multiple times a day.. but i still like him.  oh yeah, and he's from
d-town.  Ohhyeah, and my friend is getting him for a party this summer..
woo.  annyway, yeah.

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Bob asked me to put this up for everyone... Hope to see some people come
out on Thursday nights for some of these people!

LIFT Schedule  brought to you by Clubhead Records

February 11th    Ian Pooley - Frankfurt, Germany  Force Inc. recs. 
		Uplifting and the list goes on. This is the man behind all the
 		hot remixes. Don't miss his second installment of funkiness!

		PLUS X-ian

February 18th	Jee Johnson - London, England
		Ministry of Sound, Back to Basics, Tribal Gathering

February 25th 	Donald Glaude - Portland, Oregon 
		Funky Tekno Tribe
		The hottest ticket around! Don't miss Donald Glaude's
		first midwest appearance! 

March 4th 	Grooverider - London, England  
		Prototype records
		One of the Godfathers of Drum&Bass, he's a producer and DJ  
		whose passion remains with the decks! Grooverider is definitely 
  		someone who's groove you don't want to miss!

March 18th 	LTJ Bukem - London, England
		Progression Sessions Tour, featuring LTJ Bukem, MC Conrad, 
		Blame and MC DRS. This might blow you away with the most 
		incredible drum&bass straight from the birthplace of it
		all- The Umotherf**k!

May 1st 	8 year Anniversary - 
		Stillfresh, Clubhead & Lift
		Featuring: Derrick Carter, Huggy, Boo Williams, James Christian 
		Sleepy C, Trevor Lamont, plus many more headliners TBA. This 
		will be a full scale event, not held at Lift.


Lift is held every Thursday at Club DV8, located at
1120 Walnut St. In downtown, Cincinnati.
For more information, call the YUM YUM line @
513-648-9647


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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Here's an e-flyer for this event that Bob asked me to put up for ya'll...
******

At LIFT, On Thursday, March 18th Clubhead Records is proud to bring you:

The Progression Sessions Tour


Featuring:

LTJ Bukem - DJ, producer and head of Good Looking Records. He is the man
behind the name on everyone's lips! He is cited by many as a means of
inspiration. He is known as a purveyor of Drum and Bass.

MC Conrad - MC Conrad has been working with Bukem continuously throughout
the past 8 years. They have grown together musically through the changing
face of music which they produce and have been instrumental in affecting
its movement from the "hard and ravy" sounds belonging to the turn of the
decade- to a more meaningful, smooth and atmospheric vibe.

BLAME - One-half of Blame and Justice. He is a veteran DJ and sought after
producer


MC DRS




The party will be held at Club DV8 located at
1120 Walnut St. In downtown Cincinnati.
For more info, call the Yum-Yum line
513-648-9467


-Becky =)

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>       Claude Young / Pattern Buffer 03
>        (hard minimal techno with strong funky rhythms doeffler styled
>sequences and neat futuristic filtering technique.)
>         Djax                   12               $8.99
>
>Ok.. what the hell is this description supposed to mean? what is
>a "doeffler" stsyled sequence? anybody know?? I like claude,
>but I'm sketchy on djax cause I'm not all about the acid (any
>more ;) .. anybody heard this?

Do they mean Doepfer?  They made or (still?) make analogue synths..





                                               -jp
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                                               <randomly stimulating>
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the big eminem tune last summer was:

"my name is marshall mathers, i am an alcholic" etc



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In a message dated 99-02-10 20:40:39 EST, api@snsworld.net writes:

<< > And for those of you that enjoy the toronto scene and wanna make
 > the hike (I am!!) Destiny's WEMF is the weekend before Rave'um
 > this summer on Christian Island in Georgian bay :)  Last year was
 > phenomenal...
 
 Wow.. isn't that the one on an Indian reservation with no cops allowed?
 
 Toronto is without a doubt my favorite place to party, so I'll
 definitely be
 hitting that one.  :-)
 
 Too bad it's sooo far. >>

Eeeeeh, too far is a state of mind ;)  Yes, the island is a beautiful native
american reservation.  The water is this beautiful shade of blue-green, the 
forests are dense and the beaches are white....it was gorgeous up there.

As for the no cops thing, there were plenty of cops on the island actually.
When we got off the ferry at the docks there were several cop cars there, 
but..now that I think about it....I never saw them on the other side of the 
island where all the camps/stages were...hmmmmm.  But, the security
for Destiny was pretty hard core.  Saw more than enough kids get their
goods taken away from them.  At any rate, I highly recommend making
the trek!  

Peace         ~Darian~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Work like you don't need the money, 
Love like you've never been hurt, 
And dance like no one's watching   :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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I hope you dint write this yerself...if ya did, ya got way to much time
on your hands (Styx)

That shit is funny, nonetheless.

One of the best thought out thangs i've seen on here in a while.

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>fuck you and your bullshit.
>
>entro

Is having a bad day?

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>ok thank you for such a positive response for trying to do something 
>creative and interesting about our scene

Foot in mouth?

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no one wants joe teeny peeny and tracy tiny titty 
>staring in
>a fuck fest....

I liked her erect nipples.

You've heard of "tit men"?

I'm a nipple man.

Otherwise...yeah, it sucked.

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>Date:         Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:44:43 -0000
>Reply-To: William.Tooke@GUNTER.AF.MIL
>From: William.Tooke@GUNTER.AF.MIL
>Subject:      NRR-Children's Books
>To: SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU
>
>This is very non-rave related but I though you guys might get a few
laughs
>from it.
>Have a great day!!!!
>
>
>Tooke
>*******************************************************************
>Children's Books You'll Never See:
>**********************************
>
>You Were an Accident
>
>Strangers Have the Best Candy
>
>The Little Sissy Who Snitched
>
>Some Kittens Can Fly!
>
>Where Would You Like to Be Buried?
>
>Kathy Was So Bad Her Mom Stopped Loving Her
>
>The ADD Association's Book of Wild Ani... Hey! Let's Go Ride Our Bikes!
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>All Dogs Go To Hell
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>The Kids' Guide to Hitchhiking
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>You Are Different and That's Bad
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>Pop! Goes the Hamster... and Other Great Microwave Games
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>Testing Homemade Parachutes Using Only Your Household Pets
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>The Hardy Boys, the Barbie Twins, and the Vice Squad
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>Babar Meets the Taxidermist
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>Curious George and the High-Voltage Fence
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>The Boy Who Died from Eating All His Vegetables
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>Start a Real-Estate Empire with the Change from Your Mom's Purse
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>The Pop-up Book of Human Anatomy
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>Things Rich Kids Have, But You Never Will
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>The Care Bears Maul Some Campers and Are Shot Dead
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>How to Become the Dominant Military Power in Your Elementary School
>
>Controlling the Playground: Respect through Fear
>
>When Mommy and Daddy Don't Know the Answer, They Say God Did It.
>
>What Is That Dog Doing To That Other Dog? (It looks like he's trying to
jump
>
>over her, but he can't quite make it - Kwie)
>
>Why Can't Mr. Fork and Ms. Electrical Outlet Be Friends?
>
>Bi-Curious George
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>Daddy Drinks Because You Cry


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Hi all,

Dennis from skylab2000 here. No news about us today. I have a bit of a co=
ld
today but I guess that's not real news.. :)

We're off to the UK on wednesday for 2 weeks, so I'll miss the panic befo=
re
Winter Music.  Since I'll be gone, how about some WMC event info?

If you are doing a party, please send me info on it. If you heard about a=

party, please send me info on it.

We'd love to meet some of you, who we've never met, and re-meet those we
have..

Anyone that wants to hook up for a drink or whatever, please mail me ASAP=
.

We'll have some skylab2000 promo stuff with us so hit me up if you see me=

by the pool.

Lastly, we are putting together our summer schedule and we have some open=

dates. Email me if you are a promotor and would like us to play your part=
y.

peace

   |_e_/~  Dennis Barton <db@skylab2000.com>
     )     skylab2000
   ~\/\    Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
      /    http://skylab2000.com

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In a message dated 2/11/99 5:20:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, trunk666@juno.com
writes:

<< >fuck you and your bullshit.
 >
 >entro
 
 Is having a bad day?
 
 TRUNKout
 "All opinions are based on personal experience, which is completely in
 the eye
 of the beholder, and are therefore irrelevant"
  >>

actually it was 64 today...

so it was a good day.

entro

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thursday, february 11th
midnight - 2am

THE PLAYAZ CLUB
(valentine's day edition)
(we're not doing anything special though)

featuring

CHRISE 
and
DICA

available thru realaudio at
http://wsum.wisc.edu

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In a message dated 2/11/99 6:02:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikeyd@pubnix.org
writes:

<< mw-raves@hyperreal.org >>

what is 'idm'?

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i've only heard the mtv song, but i wasn't impressed at all.
and they had a short interview with him where he was talking about all the
black people he grew up around and all the black people he knows, and it
reminded me all too much of Snow and Vanilla Ice.


On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, charles tillinghast wrote:

> so, a lil' while ago, some one on the list mentioned a goofy white
> rapper.. named Eminem.. and i turned on the tv at 4 am and his video was
> on.. and i realized my friend had played me some of his shit before (slim
> shady EP and like, some other indi release).. and now, he's on mtv
> multiple times a day.. but i still like him.  oh yeah, and he's from
> d-town.  Ohhyeah, and my friend is getting him for a party this summer..
> woo.  annyway, yeah.
> 
>  _________________________________________________
> |-charles tillinghast  				  |
> | aim/aol-goku27   web-http://consoul.fierce.org  |
> |						  |
> |_____________________________p.__l.__u.__r.______| 
> 

---------------------------------------------------

Ah from a little child,
Thou knowest soul how to me all sounds became music

-Walt Whitman


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>>Ok.. what the hell is this description supposed to mean? what is
>>a "doeffler" stsyled sequence? anybody know?? I like claude,
>>but I'm sketchy on djax cause I'm not all about the acid (any
>>more ;) .. anybody heard this?
>
>Do they mean Doepfer?  They made or (still?) make analogue synths..


modular analogue + some nice controllers as well.. but "doeffler"
doesn't even sound like doepfer... and all a doepfer sequence
sounds like is an analogue, 16 step sequence... (ala maq 16/3
or shaltwerk)..

humm.. ohh well... that was probably it ;)..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>what is 'idm'?

Intelligent Dance Music... recently reclassified as "Electronica"...

aphex twinn, autechre, mu-ziq... ect...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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From: jong@e-zone.com (Jon Gilkison)
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It never ceases to amaze me the number of clueless idiots involved in
whatever may still exist of a scene, or the apathy by which idiocy is
greeted and regarded.

Some lonely individual, obviously of low intelligence and wit, creates a
website that peddles and exploits and capitalises on something we should all
be gaurding.  It's certainly a violation of the spirit and privacy that
these events provide for us to do our own little thing without worry of
external influence and pressure.  But now some kid, with horrible aesthetic
sense and obviously no talent in terms of visual presentation, is trying to
turn a buck by invading this privacy we've created and cultured for nearly
10 years.

I don't get it.

I don't get why whomever admins this list is letting it through.  This
raverporn site ain't about respect, it ain't about contributing, it's all
about mocking and money.  And if actual ravers are posing for this shit, how
much lower can this scene go?

the sinister mister earache
http://inneraktive.e-zone.com


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:21:56 -0500 (EST)
From: charles tillinghast <charles@m-net.arbornet.org>
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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, michael mccusty wrote:

> the big eminem tune last summer was:
> 
> "my name is marshall mathers, i am an alcholic" etc

i think that's "i just don't give a fuck" off the slim shady indi
release..


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> 
> 
> i've only heard the mtv song, but i wasn't impressed at all.
> and they had a short interview with him where he was talking about all the
> black people he grew up around and all the black people he knows, and it
> reminded me all too much of Snow and Vanilla Ice.
> 
well, whenever he gets interviewed, they ask about the race shit.. and
like, then they only highlite that part.  It's not even really an issue
with him, but it is with like, all the dumb media people.  I hafta admit
tho, his old old album "infinite" is the real shit.. hiphop.  the sell-out
eminem kinda pisses me off a lil.

> 
> On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, charles tillinghast wrote:
> 
> > so, a lil' while ago, some one on the list mentioned a goofy white
> > rapper.. named Eminem.. and i turned on the tv at 4 am and his video was
> > on.. and i realized my friend had played me some of his shit before (slim
> > shady EP and like, some other indi release).. and now, he's on mtv
> > multiple times a day.. but i still like him.  oh yeah, and he's from
> > d-town.  Ohhyeah, and my friend is getting him for a party this summer..
> > woo.  annyway, yeah.
> > 
> >  _________________________________________________
> > |-charles tillinghast  				  |
> > | aim/aol-goku27   web-http://consoul.fierce.org  |
> > |						  |
> > |_____________________________p.__l.__u.__r.______| 
> > 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Ah from a little child,
> Thou knowest soul how to me all sounds became music
> 
> -Walt Whitman
> 


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 12 03:08:03 1999
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From: "TOBY M BROSNAHAN" <TMB4@prodigy.net>
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  "mo-raves" <mo-raves@hyperreal.org>, <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Subject: [mw] St. Louis---LOVE LIFE---Net Meet Update
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:09:09 -0600
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Hey kids,

Well the net meet is set for midnight at the smart bar.  There is only one
of these bars out there...so when you get there before you mark off yer home
base or shake dat ass....find this spot and set your alarm.  Dave from SOL
said that midnight would be a good time as the headliners will not have been
or going on at this time.  Apparently this venue is vast and multi-level so
scope out all possible attractions......and from what Dave said, there will
be some CrAzY shit going on this night....did anyone expect anything less
from SOL?  =)  Eye candy for all to see.  Whoo Hoo!

So we will all meet at midnight by the smart bar....stay there for like 15
min to catch all the stragglers and then move to a more quieter place if
needed to talk, chill, meet face to face and just spread some loving to the
people you have meet or are going to meet via the list(s).   Come on...reach
out and TOUCH someone.  =p

Look for me before/after....yellow pooh back pack with flashing red
light....

And SaucE from STL-raves?  You had BETTER find me and give me a valentine or
else!

Peace and mucho love baby!

Toby
St. Louis

T-minus 2 days till I hit FULL LOVE MODE....be afraid, be very afraid!


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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, charles tillinghast wrote:

> well, whenever he gets interviewed, they ask about the race shit.. and
> like, then they only highlite that part.  It's not even really an issue
> with him, but it is with like, all the dumb media people.  I hafta admit


i dont know...i think it'd be just as easy to say "listen to the record"
and leave it at that. you know? 


> tho, his old old album "infinite" is the real shit.. hiphop.  the sell-out
> eminem kinda pisses me off a lil.
> 
> > 
> > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, charles tillinghast wrote:
> > 
> > > so, a lil' while ago, some one on the list mentioned a goofy white
> > > rapper.. named Eminem.. and i turned on the tv at 4 am and his video was
> > > on.. and i realized my friend had played me some of his shit before (slim
> > > shady EP and like, some other indi release).. and now, he's on mtv
> > > multiple times a day.. but i still like him.  oh yeah, and he's from
> > > d-town.  Ohhyeah, and my friend is getting him for a party this summer..
> > > woo.  annyway, yeah.
> > > 
> > >  _________________________________________________
> > > |-charles tillinghast  				  |
> > > | aim/aol-goku27   web-http://consoul.fierce.org  |
> > > |						  |
> > > |_____________________________p.__l.__u.__r.______| 
> > > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Ah from a little child,
> > Thou knowest soul how to me all sounds became music
> > 
> > -Walt Whitman
> > 
> 

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Ah from a little child,
Thou knowest soul how to me all sounds became music

-Walt Whitman


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with all this eminem talk, my question (that i was gonna ask anyway) seems
quite fitting.  
a friend of mine would like to get his hands on the cd "infinite" and the
ep "slim shady" (also on cd), but claims that they're in circulation only
in the detroit area.  do any of you detroit area kids know where i could
find them?  (derek?  rekkid time?)
i'd really appreciate your help  =)
**doris**



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    	 Sorry everyone for being a bit late with the update today... 
Today was just too nice of a day to spend one moment indoors.. :)

	So<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param> here is the updated netmeet list as of 2/11 for Tranquillity in   
 Dayton (2/13).. I am going to make a seperate post for the 
directions to the party, and just so everyone knows, the doors open 
at 10:00 PM...       

	To be added to the list, e-mail <bold>elemental77@juno.com</bold>. Do not send  
requests to this address as they may be inadvertently deleted.        
	Any suggestions on meeting times and locations would also be    
greatly appreciated.          


	So far, the list looks like this:       


Mike (an0maly@wizardworkshop.com)	       

Gabe (GNM3744@aol.com)       

Amanda (methalymine@yahoo.com)       

azurensis@hotmail.com      

Di (stuk_n_the_midl@hotmail.com)<bold><color><param>C000,C000,C000</param><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>azurensis@hotmail.com       

</bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>Joe (djxotica@impop.bellatlantic.net)<color><param>C000,C000,C000</param><smaller> <bigger>     

<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>lauryN* (GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com)<FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>      

Chuck (charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu)    

     ^---bringin crews from Toledo and Bryan, OH too  

iySyS (borproductions@bluegrass.net)  

Steve (BaMbOo513@aol.com)

Crystal (cstites@hotmail.com)  

Jes (jes@pubnix.org) and Peter and crew from Urbana

Neil (neil@lightstream.net)


<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>	  Since I only received two different suggestions on the locations 
and times, I went ahead and decided for us all... The first netmeet 
will be at 11:00 for those early birds :) and the second meet (for 
the fashionably late like Crystal :) ) will be at 2:30.. Location for 
both will be in the <bold>MAIN ROOM </bold>at the wall by the girls bathroom on 
the <bold>RIGHT SIDE</bold> as you are looking at the bathroom.. Di said she will 
be bringing a sign for the net meet so please keep your eyes open.. 
Also, Crystal pointed out that I am relatively easy to spot since I 
AM 6'6".. (oh yeah) with dark red hair and I will be wearing a green 
Adidas jacket... if you see me, give me a "hello!!"  

	Also, any more suggestions are still welcome or if you think the 
times should be changed, just let me know through that address listed 
above... Hope to see everyone there!  :)

<nofill>
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BAHAHHAHAHHA!!

OH SHIT...THAT WAS HELLA FUNNNNYYY!!

=)

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danny played at a party down in houston last month with the purrin lion 
crew, was supposed to battle (wanna battle me) sean vishnu but never did 
cause of illness..
who do you think would come out smiling at the end?
i gotta put it on the hometown favorite danny

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"WillEBear" <willebear@mindspring.com> wrote:

>How do you know ol' Wilhem isn't behind this whole thing????
>I've heard him say about the girls..."Old enough to pee...Old enough for
>me." 


isn't the actual quote, "old enuf to add... old enuf to multiply."

(fyi, the legal age in michigan is 16) :P

heh.

-p   'standing on yer neck'


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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Jon Gilkison wrote:
> I don't get why whomever admins this list is letting it through.  This
> raverporn site ain't about respect, it ain't about contributing, it's all
> about mocking and money.  And if actual ravers are posing for this shit, how
> much lower can this scene go?

well, now that an estimated 80ish% of the last 117 messages have to do
with this raver porn site... i'd like to politely ask that this thread
stop.

as for why i'm "letting it through"...umm i don't really know how not to. 
furthermore, i'm not going to censor this list...that's just ridiculous.

this in no way reflects my position on porn or those who may find pleasure
in it...i just didn't remember ever subscribing to a porn discussion.

peace,
Chad

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-chad@hyperreal.org-
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-v/m:(414)299.9256-

give me some food.


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I have been on this list for a couple years now, and not only does this
thread happen to be one of the worst this list has ever seen, but this
post is just disgusting and offensive to me. Can all you bored ppl with
nothing better to do than perpetuate this thread please take it
private?? 

My $.02,

-- Robin 

J AC wrote:
> 
> Yo, I dunno what is with all the PLAYA HATING on this list, but
> raverporn guy, thanks for the free pics... I blew my sticky wad with the
> help of one of em... and I DOUBT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!
> 
> ppl like V/Jak off are surely impotent losers who cant appreciate a
> decent effort... I thought the chick was cute, and I'd pay money to see
> someone do her in the ass. Any chance of this, maybe a private showing?
> 
> Hell, I'd even do her in the ass if it came down to it.
> 
> so thanks again seizure, or whatever i should call you... I have seen
> raverporn on the net and on video but never on this wackass list... show
> us more! Jace
> 
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NeXXus8@aol.com writes:

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  Work like you don't need the money, 
>  Love like you've never been hurt, 
>  And dance like no one's watching   :)
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

saw it on a sign for a coffee shop on the Miami campus today 

werd...

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Rica,
   You seem a tad bit critical...All things including Drugs have good 
and bad sides.. But why all the anger?? If you are drug-free, more power 
to you.. Thats your perspective.. But if someone does roll,trip, smoke 
pot.. That doesnt make that person horrible... 

           I have love for all people... Users or non-users
                                        (0_0) Dan Sharp
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>For all you out there talking about doing drugs, what your favorite 
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In a message dated 2/10/99 10:33:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ICONKILLER@aol.com writes:

> << canned  >>
>   HAHAHAHAHA 
>  Then it means its not free! You have to buy the canned food spome where.
>  Unless you go to your Neibors house and tell them your collecting canned 
> food
>  for the poor.

thats whut your really doing       =:p


Gabe
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"techno has all
of those blips and beeps that make me want to dance on my
toes... house makes everyone do that 'walking in place' thing... jungle is
sorta like moving your hands all over your body w/o actually touching
yourself... and happy hardcore is kinda like everyone is in fast forward."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Eminem is tight ... i saw him quite a few times play in LA at "project blowed"
.... Hes got his own style ... fuck it ...

ALEX

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  Fuck you ya Bitch ass ho!!!!!!!

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Wondering who lives within Missouri...please reply and let me know.. trying to
see if i could pull something off from here in Columbia..(grin)!

Thanks
Suzi

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Lincoln001@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Wondering who lives within Missouri...please reply and let me know.. trying to
> see if i could pull something off from here in Columbia..(grin)!
> 
> Thanks
> Suzi

Plenty of party kids in Missouri, as well as net peeps! Columbia has
pulled off some rawkin parties. Go for it. 

-- Robin 
Kansas City

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Where does the term SPAM come from for junk e-mail?  Does it stand for
something.  It sure is fun to say.  "Spam! Spam! Spam!!!"
I find it amusing that society accepts this word as the term for junk
e-mail.  Just wondering and bored of reading posts about Raver
Porn....UUUCCKKKK!
Spamingly Yours,
willebear

"You seem cool for a naked chick in a booth, let's be pals some day.  In
other words, put some clothes on and call me."
-Presidents of the USA
(It sounds really funny when sang in a sweet voice)


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 12 06:43:49 1999
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 Mono19820@ writes:   
> what, I"D FUCK THAT GIRL ON A DROP OF A DIME!!!!!!!!!
>  
>  
>  <----will screw ANY girl
>  

y doesnt his name surprise me?

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Hey Robin, I see yer up and posting.  Thought I'd tell you my triumphant
news.  I'll now be able to stay at the conference the entire time!!!
Life is good!
Will Russell
Louisville, KY


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eluna writes:

> if anyone is interested, brian _has_ written a public explanation of his
>  side of the story.  it was published in a low-key 'zine called PLUS (i
>  believe), compiled by yabette.  check www.listenuprecords.com if you want
>  to get ahold of her, perhaps she could forward that story to the mw and
>  pb-cle lists. 
>  
>  ++
>  e d 
>  
>  
some1 plz do that, i wanna know whut really went on.

noZ me

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I went there and couldn't find it.  Yabette's section was a dead end.  I
wanna know too!
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>eluna writes:
>
>> if anyone is interested, brian _has_ written a public explanation of his
>>  side of the story.  it was published in a low-key 'zine called PLUS (i
>>  believe), compiled by yabette.  check www.listenuprecords.com if you
want
>>  to get ahold of her, perhaps she could forward that story to the mw and
>>  pb-cle lists.
>>
>>  ++
>>  e d
>>
>>
>some1 plz do that, i wanna know whut really went on.
>
>noZ me


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One last thought on this thread to close things up:  Would there have been
as much objection if the photos had been of better aesthetic quality?
This is completely rhetorical in intention, so don't make another thread
of this. =]  Luis

On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, .chad m sponholz. wrote:

> well, now that an estimated 80ish% of the last 117 messages have to do
> with this raver porn site... i'd like to politely ask that this thread
> stop.
> 


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matthew robert demmon wrote:

> Prove me wrong.
>
> Rave = Disco

Rave = ocsiD

Actually, it is a direct descendant of disco.. just as disco is a
direct descendant of earlier dance cultures.  But it has fundamental
differences.

I tend to look at something in the 20th century I would call the
"communal dance movement."  It probably began in the 20s
with swing clubs and the like.



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michael mccusty wrote:

> mood is a hip hop group from cincinnati, not cleveland...tho i know some of
> u chicagoans consider ohio one place, not several separate cities ;) :P
> but yeah, that LP "doom" is right wicked.
>

No shit.. Ever been to Clifton in Cincinnati?  (the area around U.C.)??

The entire place is practically plastered with "MooD" stickers.



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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Adam Ierymenko wrote:

> I tend to look at something in the 20th century I would call the
> "communal dance movement."  It probably began in the 20s
> with swing clubs and the like.


	True, but what about remotely earlier times?  Roman orgies, etc.
As well, there's tons of communal dancing involved in ancient religious
festival celebrations, especially in eastern traditions. Mind you, from
the perspective of the more recent, western european situation, the 20th
century certainly was the dawn of the concept of "public" and communal
dancing.  

Luis


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Todd Moody wrote:

> Ginos in the Mist - The true story of a brave raver's journey into
> Toronto's club scene, risking life and limb for a better understanding
> of fashion-ho clubbers.  Not for the faint-hearted.  (R)
>

OhmiGod.. that was one of the funniest things I've read on this list
in a looong time!!!! ROTFLOL!#$!#%!#

Anyone who's ever been to a club Toronto understands that one.

Imagine (not for the faint hearted):

A muscle-bound club kid in a wife beater that dances like a
frat boy on glass.



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ok
for all those that care 
the site is back up
and for those that dont 
its the last you will here about this
even though there was a negative response posted on the list i also got an equally positive response privately
and if anyone wats to respond to this message please do privately becasue i dont want to have peoples e-mail boxes filling up over something that many could care less about
also as it had been suggested i got a few more better shots up
and the money shot will be done soon :)
more girls will be on the site also in the coming weeks
(both big tits and small) 
also ANYONE who tries to put an alternative method to get into the site i will tell you now
doing that is a form of DISTRIBUTING RESTRICTED MATERIAL TO THE PUBLIC this means that not only are you possibly exposing this material to minors but also distributing copyrighted material all images are the property of killshot productions and can not be copied or distributed with out consent you can view all this info in the embeded digital watermark on each image

for all of you that i offended i apologise
and will not post any messages relating to porn in the future and for all of you that support the idea
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with what looks like 4 fairly large parties(ritual with farina, lube
with hardware, syrous with pullen, roy davis and zinc, and fukhouse with
ian pooley and mr.c) this weekend in toronto i was curious if anyone was
going up and had room in their cars for an extra person? i live in
windsor so if you're coming from the midwest you will be coming thru
here...would be willing to pay for gas..thanks..

::mikey.

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Like you care, right? to bad.. read it anyways (maybe somebody
will.. I know I don't).. "Innovator".. haha...

o0o[qiB.]o0o

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To: detroit techno <313@hyperreal.org>
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>Someone asked this long ago.  I've since forgotten and I think nobody
>answered.  The question had to do with the track listing on
>Innovator.  The track listing on the cover of the Transmat (US
>domestic) release is WRONG!  I decided since I was in such a Detroit
>listening mood, to go through it and figure it out.  So here are my
>findings.
>
>Derrick May - Innovator (Transmat US)
>
>CD1
>
> 1) "rest"                         1:08
> 2) strings of the strings of life 8:22
> 3) another kaos beyond kaos       0:50
> 4) freestyle                      4:30
> 5) beyond kaos                    1:31
> 6) the dance                      7:13
> 7) a little spaced out            0:57
> 8) daymares                       0:33
> 9) it is what it is               6:27
>10) ? (chords from it is...)       0:09
>11) ? (another synth chord)        0:09
>12) beyond the dance (cult mix)    6:59
>13) original feel sureal           0:54
>14) ? (beyond a synth chord)       0:19
>    r-theme                        6:21
>
>CD2
>
> 1) to be or not to be             5:48
> 2) icon (montage mix)             5:49
> 3) phantom                        1:46
> 4) kaotic harmony                 6:33
> 5) more phantom                   1:11
> 6) salsa life                     5:27
> 7) nude photo                     5:39
> 8) the beginning (pt. 1)          5:25
> 9) the beginning (pt. 2)          3:30
>10) another relic from the relics  1:01
>11) drama                          4:29
>12) "strings" - the original mix   6:04
>13) wiggin - juan atkins mix       6:14
>
>The naming of The Beginning as separate parts is due to the fact that
>there is a CD track change in the middle of the song. The song has no
>audible break in it however.  The three unnamed tracks have question
>marks which are simply synth sounds.
>
>I also happen to have the R&S 5x12" LP box set of Innovator.  So I
>thought I'd do the proper trainspotter thing here and list
>differences.
>
>One thing before I begin.  Unlike the US Transmat release all the
>track names and ordering is correct on the R$S LP comp.  The only
>mistake is track C2, which is listed as Daymares, It Is What It Is.
>This is simply It Is What It Is and has no Daymares with it.
>
>Firstly there are several tracks on both comps which are the same but
>named differently.  I'll list these first.
>
>US CD track#   name on R&S box set
>------------   -------------------
>CD1 track 5    B2) A Rest / Beyond Kaos
>CD1 track 13   D2) Feel Surreal Ends The Feel Surreal
>CD2 track 5    G2) Phantom Lurks
>CD2 track 10   I1) A Relic Long Ago
>CD2 track 12   J1) Strings Of Life
>
>Tracks on the R&S LP comp, which aren't on the US Transmat CD:
>
>C2) Some More Spaced Out
>E1) Emanon Begins
>E2) Sinister
>E3) The End
>I3) Emanon Ends
>I4) Winter On The Blvd
>J2) Dreams Of Dreamers
>
>Tracks on the US Transmat CD, which aren't on the R&S LP comp:
>
>CD1 track 1) "rest"
>CD1 track 8) daymares
>
>That's about all the info I have.  I could get really sick and find
>out which original releases the tracks on both comps come from.  I
>don't really have the time though.  I guess my trainspotting has run
>out for the day.  I don't have the R&S CD nor the Sony Japan release,
>so if anyone has them and finds differences, I'd like to know.
>
>-rbc3




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In a message dated 2/12/99 2:15:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
luigarci@indiana.edu writes:

> 	True, but what about remotely earlier times?  Roman orgies, etc.
>  As well, there's tons of communal dancing involved in ancient religious
>  festival celebrations, especially in eastern traditions. Mind you, from
>  the perspective of the more recent, western european situation, the 20th
>  century certainly was the dawn of the concept of "public" and communal
>  dancing.  

roman orgies? hmmm... if you say raves descended from roman orgies, than raver
porn is on topic

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>
>>what is 'idm'?
>
>Intelligent Dance Music... recently reclassified as "Electronica"...
>
>aphex twinn, autechre, mu-ziq... ect...
>
>o0o[qiB.]o0o


yeah basically anybody on Warp or Rephlex

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Hey, someone help me find out who this boy is, so I can BEAT THE LIVING
FUCK OUT OF HIM.

- Jens.

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>ok thank you for such a positive response for trying to do something 
>creative and interesting about our scene

what the hell is creative about getting naked? Haven't we all been doing 
that at least once a day since we were born?

wanna do something creative? paint a picture, write a poem, make some 
music. Don't fuck and take pictures. If you do at least call it what it 
is. Smut... plain and simple... don't pass it off as art. (although if 
you do, you might be able to get funding from the government, ala 
maplethorpe)

-scott

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At 02:34 AM 2/12/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Hey, someone help me find out who this boy is, so I can BEAT THE LIVING
>FUCK OUT OF HIM.
	
i know who he is, and I'm not telling you.

you're still in my killfile btw.

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Time to take that show off the air...

L.M.

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ok, another interesting night.  we ordered pizza and didn't play much of
the "upfront" stuff becuase neither of us can afford it.  so we mixed it up
and played some older stuff.  also we played an "EXCLUSIVE DUBPLATE" by
ricochet. bo. bo.

playlist:

rappin 4-tay - playaz club - chrysalis
autechre - inhake 2 - peel sessions - nothing

chrise's "i went nuts and it didnt sound so great" set:
ed rush and optical - mystery machine - wormhole - virus
nico/makai - omen - no u-turn black
dillinja - acid trak - pain
bill laswell - oscillations (nico remix) - quantum
dj zinc -damn - true playaz
shimon & andy c - quest - ram
roni size/reprazent - heroes (roni size live mix) - talking loud
dj teebee - coming of shadows - audio coture
dubtronix - tekken (deep dub mix) - namco/jvc
dj harmony - let me in - moving shadow
tango - understanding - the revolutionary generation - moving shadow
amon tobin - creatures (hidden agenda remix) - ninja tune
photek - the water margin - photek
matrix - mute - prototype years - protoype
amon tobin - toys - permutation - ninja tune
amon tobin - like regular chickens - permutation - ninja tune

dica's "hey, i'm dumb!" set:
ray keith - singtime - dread
pure - anything test - subbase
ed rush - guncheck remix - no u-turn
dj zinc - on fire tonight rmx - ganja
remarc - in da hood remix - subbase
prisioners of technology - battle master - fresh kutt
dead dred - down with the sound - moving shadow
unknown - dragon fist - 5hq?
shimon & andy c - live line - sound in motion - ram 
chemical agents - scud - frontline
usual suspects - killa bees - renegade hardware
genotype - spiritual objects - renegade hardware/rawkus
trace/nico - copies - no u-turn
source direct - mind weaver - exorcise the demons - science
g white - zero - advance test
warfare - anti-all - machete test

ricochet - down for the cause - unreleased, exclusive track of the night
autechre - milk dx - peel sessions - nothing

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>Speaking of having fun...you are all invited to witness me and Gip and
>James Martin get it on at Birthright while I spin the hardest polka
>available. Pictures will be taken for our OWN raver porn site. 100%
>raver....nothing fake....we'll even have blowpops and glowsticks and
>wutnot


blowpops and glowstix where? I thought people who put those little tiny 
glowstix in their mouths were nuts... but this... this oughta make some 
proctologist happy.

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To all of you kinky voyeurs out their, I'm sorry to disappoint
you, but this flame war is being taken private..
Put your KY away, and  reshelve those Kleenex..
Nothing to see here.. nothing at all..

jacO.. expect my reply whenever I get around to it...

tata,

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>> I tend to look at something in the 20th century I would call the
>> "communal dance movement."  It probably began in the 20s
>> with swing clubs and the like.
>
>
>	True, but what about remotely earlier times?  Roman orgies, etc.
>As well, there's tons of communal dancing involved in ancient religious
>festival celebrations, especially in eastern traditions. Mind you, from
>the perspective of the more recent, western european situation, the 20th
>century certainly was the dawn of the concept of "public" and communal
>dancing.  
>
>Luis
>

i think it all started as a 'movement' when music that was recorded was 
first able to be played over loudspeakers.  Pretty much as soon as a guy 
with a record player could replace the band.  Maybe that's why DJs in 
underground scenes have clung to tables as their medium.  doubt it 
though. Interesting to think of at least. I'd like to see DJs try to 
beatmatch on a reel2reel machine.....

-scott

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i've driven iowa city to cleveland

NNOthing

just last summer

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>To all of you kinky voyeurs out their, I'm sorry to disappoint
>you, but this flame war is being taken private..
>Put your KY away, and  reshelve those Kleenex..
>Nothing to see here.. nothing at all..
>
>jacO.. expect my reply whenever I get around to it...

if you wanted it to be private, dumbass, you wouldnt have posted this to 
the list
>tata,
>
>o0o[qiB.]o0o
>
>
>
>


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*!!prAsAd!!* wrote:

> "WillEBear" <willebear@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >How do you know ol' Wilhem isn't behind this whole thing????
> >I've heard him say about the girls..."Old enough to pee...Old enough for
> >me."
>
> isn't the actual quote, "old enuf to add... old enuf to multiply."
>
> (fyi, the legal age in michigan is 16) :P

nah nah nah its "old enough to sit at the table, then she's old enough to
pass the meat!!!"

no actually i think its "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed"


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WillEBear wrote:

> Hey Robin, I see yer up and posting.  Thought I'd tell you my triumphant
> news.  I'll now be able to stay at the conference the entire time!!!
> Life is good!
> Will Russell
> Louisville, KY

 now why in the fuk if you had this persons e-mail address, and evidently
you did cause you saw a post from Robin, would you post this to the entire
list...the reason i am posting this to the list is to show an example of how
some shit should be mailed privately and NOT sent to the list and this is a
blatant one...cmon Willebear think before you send

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for those coming to Abduction in Lexington tonight.  Directions and other info
will be posted this morning from work address twilson@lexmark.
-- 
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Hmmm...I think, but dont quote me, that they both are pulled out of
circulation.... Call the shop (Recordtime) at 810-775-1550 and ask somebody.
Theres a guy there by the name of Harry who would know for deffinant. Id ask
him...

good luck!!

derek.


doris wrote:

> with all this eminem talk, my question (that i was gonna ask anyway) seems
> quite fitting.
> a friend of mine would like to get his hands on the cd "infinite" and the
> ep "slim shady" (also on cd), but claims that they're in circulation only
> in the detroit area.  do any of you detroit area kids know where i could
> find them?  (derek?  rekkid time?)
> i'd really appreciate your help  =)
> **doris**


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Well now that I got your attention ... since this seems to be the only
way to attract people's attention to e-mail to the list anymore...

What's everybody's plans as far as going to Birthright in Indy on the
5th? I am going to be there with a bunch of crazy fucks who will
probably embarass the living hell out of me but hey its all in good
fun. 
Just wondering...maybe a net meet would be cool...but um....maybe it's
too early to plan for that.

Also I would like to propose something. I am sure many of us in the
list are involved in purchasing and listening to vinyl (for dj'ing and
wutnot); therefore maybe a top 10 list of the month and a brief
description of your fave tracks would be cool so that other people can
actually know wut to look for? I dunno...obviously we will have like
10000 people writing about techno and house and jungle probably just
me and 3-4 more about trance and breaks but i dunno..

any ideas?
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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, WillEBear wrote:

> I went there and couldn't find it.  Yabette's section was a dead end.  I
> wanna know too!


last night, i was in indy, and swung by univibe to buy up some stuff. we
were all talking about summer happenings, and Matt (of collen and matt)
informed me that FA5 is going on on the 4 of July weekend. He doesn't know
who exactly is throwing it this summer, but he had spoken with DJ Skip
from chicago, and he was apperently throwing in some cash.... so i guess
it's on....


bom shankar!
--boo


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     Many conservatives in Congress, however, oppose such change.
"U.S. techno-industrial is hardcore, and it must stay hardcore," said Sen.
Orrin Hatch (R-UT). "Would Al Jourgensen wear a T-shirt depicting smiley
aliens telepathing 'Love' to their baggy-pantsed children? Techno should
be about hate, not love. Techno is about wearing black and screaming, not
standing in one place and swaying peacefully. I say, bring back the days
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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, [.v/jek.] wrote:

> Ok.. what the hell is this description supposed to mean? what is
> a "doeffler" stsyled sequence? anybody know?? I like claude,
> but I'm sketchy on djax cause I'm not all about the acid (any
> more ;) .. anybody heard this?

Doeffler is a piece of obscure British analogue gear which I believe is 
an analogue sequencer coupled with some analogue synthesis.  A quickey 
AltaVista search will turn up their web site.  If you can't find it let 
me know as I may have it bookmarked.


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Uhmm last weekend There was a fairly large event in Kansas(about 400
ppl) and everything went off well, plus a first. The media handled the
event in a very positive manner. We did not expect them but they showed
up and shocked us all.... Wow, maybe there is hope, ill fill you all in
later (been pullin all nighters out at work since the event)

later 

AC  

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>>>Ok.. what the hell is this description supposed to mean? what is

>>>a "doeffler" stsyled sequence? anybody know?? I like claude,

>>>but I'm sketchy on djax cause I'm not all about the acid (any

>>>more ;) .. anybody heard this?

>>

>>Do they mean Doepfer?  They made or (still?) make analogue synths..

>

>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that "doeffler effects" is when 
sounds seem to come from different directions.



Y'know, from the left, the right, etc..



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i emailed her and im waitin to hear back from her, ill post her responce
when i get it

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>eluna writes:
>
>> if anyone is interested, brian _has_ written a public explanation of his
>>  side of the story.  it was published in a low-key 'zine called PLUS (i
>>  believe), compiled by yabette.  check www.listenuprecords.com if you
want
>>  to get ahold of her, perhaps she could forward that story to the mw and
>>  pb-cle lists.
>>
>>  ++
>>  e d
>>
>>
>some1 plz do that, i wanna know whut really went on.
>
>noZ me


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.o
The Higher State label-collective, based in London, does not seem to be
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and 99 Degrees.  Apparently there are some people who are keeping the soul
in house music...
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LAST SHOWs playlist (also in the archive):

Trackname / Artist / Label

1600-1800
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   3.James Hardaway - Back East - Law & Auder=20
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   8.Plug - Drum n'Bass for Papa - Blue Planet=20
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  11.Tak-Sin - Sapphire Dust - Law & Ayder=20
  12.Scribe mix - 45 minute segment=20
  13.Hardkiss feat. Kool Keith - Abandon Ship (Sharks and Mermaids) -
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  14.Intel Inside - Hey Baby - ???=20
  15.Plug - Feelings - Blue Planet=20
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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

> actually it was 64 today...
> 
> so it was a good day.

Today was a good day. Entro didnt have to use his AK!

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For all those who were wondering what went on last year, here is what I
know, based on what I heard from the lighting company, some of the DJs,
and from someoen who was closely helping the promoters both before the
party and during it. I looked around my folders for the explanation from
Brian Wheeler himself and it seems I don't have it, but I will tell you
what I know. 

First of all, for those who wanted to know what was it that went wrong .
. . here are snipets from my review of the party. I will include the
good with the bad, because it wasn't all bad. At the bottom I have
included all the information I had about what happened behind the
scenes.

> Good: 
> The music -- phenomenal, even some of the regional acts proved worthy of
> national and international exposure. 
> The ppl -- 6-7,000 -- that's a new record for the Midwest! Ppl came from
> all over the country, from Florida to California, New Jersey to Canada. 
> The facility -- a beautiful outdoor concert venue with manmade sloping
> amphitheater and huge stage at bottom. 
> The sound -- amazing quality and loudness
> The other stages -- several featured really good music -- heard some of
> the best sets of the weekend there. 
> The weather -- perfect! It rained just a little Saturday morning, but it
> was a good break and gave us all time to sleep a little before Sat nite's
> festivities. 
> Old farts -- The "Geriatric" stage was the hit of the weekend. The 25+
> crowd combined with the "Sista" DJs to have one of the most jumping
> renegade stages. I only met one geriatric I didn't know. He was at least
> 40 yo! Really nice
> 
> The Bad and the ugly:
> -- Lack of organization on the part of the promoter caused the music to be
> very haphazard with ambient and hip hop being played on the main stage
> until 1:30-2am on Sat. nite! Despite that the vibe really came to life
> when the more energetic music came on. 
> -- Noise complaints -- the fabulous sound system ended up being wasted due
> to having to turn it down so low during parts of the night. Also, in order
> to keep the sound down, the promoters made all the other stages shut down
> at night, thereby ensuring that ther would not be enough stages for all
> the DJ s to play on. 
> -- Only about half the advertised acts got to play. The ones that played
> were phenomenal. They really pulled it out cause they knew ppl were
> looking for a good time. But most of the international acts never got to
> play. I am not sure how many never received their plane tix and how many
> actually showed up, just never got to play (that's a real  crying
> shame!!). 
> -- The promoter claims that somewhere between $40-100,000 was stolen from
> the till. It sounds like even though the gate was run by family member of
> the promoters, they were all lining their pockets, and then when the
> armbands were matched against the amount of money, it did not match up. 
> -- Some staff ppl did not get paid, or got paid only part of what were
> promised. The sound guy got shorted as did the lights guy and some DJs. 
> -- It sounds like that was the last Family Affair for ever. Even if the
> promoter has the guts to try again next year, no one will support him
> after the level of disorganization and amount of ppl he shorted
> financially. 
> 
> The average party goer really enjoyed it, but those of us who knew the
> behind the scenes stuff knew that it was only a shell of the previous
> parties. :-(
> 

Brian Wheeler left the grounds before the party was over, leaving his
helpers to deal with all the disorganization, and pissed off DJ's who
hadn't gotten paid. DJs were so pissed that one of the DJs actually
grabbed a piece of equipment left on stage by one of the live P.A.s and
held it hostage for hispayment. (I later heard that weeks later, he
relented and sent the equipment back to its owner.)

Brian Wheeler later posted in his explanation that (excuse my personal
bias in paraphrasing) he had freaked out from the stress (of losing so
much money presumably), and he apologized saying his intentions were
good. He also explained how much of the disorganization was a direct
result of the party having to be moved about 4-5 hours from the
originally scheduled location. I had to admit, it would be a nightmare
to figure out how to get hundreds of DJs picked up at an airport that
was now hours away from the party. Picking up 200 DJs would be an
unbeleiveable nightmare anyway!!!

<shrug> I really think only Brian and his two other main partners know
what REALLY happened. Personally, I can't beleive ppl in Ohio will
support Brian if he throws another one by himself. However, I have heard
that he is getting together with several other promoters who will
supposedly ensure that alot of the past disorganization doesn't happen. 

Finally, as to the supposed rape and OD's, someoen from behind the
scenes told me there were several OD's but all made it to the hospital
and no one died. There was no rape reported as far as he knew. Though
it's sad to think that an outdoor rave could easily see such a thing
happen. Be careful, ladies!

Ed, does this match with what you saw/heard?

Hope this clears up alot . . .

-- Robin

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> Plenty of party kids in Missouri, as well as net peeps! Columbia has
> pulled off some rawkin parties. Go for it.

Out of all the parties I've been to in Kansas City, Omaha, Lawrence and
around this area - Columbia throws some of the best parties!!! Watch for
their spring solstice gathering which is almost tradition in that area.

Who would have figured?

_jason


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I'll certainly be there, Monsieur Tsario.  I would suggest meeting infront
of wherever they sell water at midnight or 1am.  

Luis

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> Well now that I got your attention ... since this seems to be the only
> way to attract people's attention to e-mail to the list anymore...
> 
> What's everybody's plans as far as going to Birthright in Indy on the
> 5th? I am going to be there with a bunch of crazy fucks who will
> probably embarass the living hell out of me but hey its all in good
> fun. 
> Just wondering...maybe a net meet would be cool...but um....maybe it's
> too early to plan for that.
> 
> Also I would like to propose something. I am sure many of us in the
> list are involved in purchasing and listening to vinyl (for dj'ing and
> wutnot); therefore maybe a top 10 list of the month and a brief
> description of your fave tracks would be cool so that other people can
> actually know wut to look for? I dunno...obviously we will have like
> 10000 people writing about techno and house and jungle probably just
> me and 3-4 more about trance and breaks but i dunno..
> 
> any ideas?
> Tsarrio
> 
> 
> 
> 
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ill be there too
but i wanna know who these crazy fucks youll be with are ?

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-----Original Message-----
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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 8:03 AM
Subject: [mw] PORN DIRTY SEX ANAL FUCKING


>Well now that I got your attention ... since this seems to be the only
>way to attract people's attention to e-mail to the list anymore...
>
>What's everybody's plans as far as going to Birthright in Indy on the
>5th? I am going to be there with a bunch of crazy fucks who will
>probably embarass the living hell out of me but hey its all in good
>fun.
>Just wondering...maybe a net meet would be cool...but um....maybe it's
>too early to plan for that.
>
>Also I would like to propose something. I am sure many of us in the
>list are involved in purchasing and listening to vinyl (for dj'ing and
>wutnot); therefore maybe a top 10 list of the month and a brief
>description of your fave tracks would be cool so that other people can
>actually know wut to look for? I dunno...obviously we will have like
>10000 people writing about techno and house and jungle probably just
>me and 3-4 more about trance and breaks but i dunno..
>
>any ideas?
>Tsarrio
>
>
>
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> > What's everybody's plans as far as going to Birthright in Indy on the
> > 5th? I am going to be there with a bunch of crazy fucks who will
> > probably embarass the living hell out of me but hey its all in good
> > fun. 
> > Just wondering...maybe a net meet would be cool...but um....maybe it's
> > too early to plan for that.

i think i will be there too...dunno yet, but it looks good....
 
> > Also I would like to propose something. I am sure many of us in the
> > list are involved in purchasing and listening to vinyl (for dj'ing and
> > wutnot); therefore maybe a top 10 list of the month and a brief
> > description of your fave tracks would be cool so that other people can
> > actually know wut to look for? I dunno...obviously we will have like
> > 10000 people writing about techno and house and jungle probably just
> > me and 3-4 more about trance and breaks but i dunno..

yeah, that would be cool...unfortunately, i'd be outshined and buried
under the jungle n' house, but hey...it'd be cool anyways

bom shankar!
--boo


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     Many conservatives in Congress, however, oppose such change.
"U.S. techno-industrial is hardcore, and it must stay hardcore," said Sen.
Orrin Hatch (R-UT). "Would Al Jourgensen wear a T-shirt depicting smiley
aliens telepathing 'Love' to their baggy-pantsed children? Techno should
be about hate, not love. Techno is about wearing black and screaming, not
standing in one place and swaying peacefully. I say, bring back the days
of Skinny Puppy." 

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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, AC wrote:

> Uhmm last weekend There was a fairly large event in Kansas(about 400
> ppl) and everything went off well, plus a first. The media handled the
> event in a very positive manner. We did not expect them but they showed
> up and shocked us all.... Wow, maybe there is hope, ill fill you all in
> later (been pullin all nighters out at work since the event)

when the report comes out, can we get details????


bom shankar!
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     Many conservatives in Congress, however, oppose such change.
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aliens telepathing 'Love' to their baggy-pantsed children? Techno should
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standing in one place and swaying peacefully. I say, bring back the days
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can it be 75 degrees on thursday and you wake up to an inch of snow on
friday morning !!!!!

iySyS
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No that is not possible.


>can it be 75 degrees on thursday and you wake up to an inch of snow on
>friday morning !!!!!
>
>iySyS



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ah, but thats where you are worng, because it is possible, or it wouldn't
have happened here today =)
pixie



>No that is not possible.
>
>
>>can it be 75 degrees on thursday and you wake up to an inch of snow on
>>friday morning !!!!!
>>
>>iySyS
>
>


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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Leigh Simmons wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that "doeffler effects" is when 
> sounds seem to come from different directions.
> 
> Y'know, from the left, the right, etc..

No, that would be Doppler effects.



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-----Original Message-----
From: Pixie <pixie@bluegrass.net>
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Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 9:40 AM
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>ah, but thats where you are worng, because it is possible, or it wouldn't
>have happened here today =)
>pixie
>
>
>
>>No that is not possible.
>>
>>
>>>can it be 75 degrees on thursday and you wake up to an inch of snow on
>>>friday morning !!!!!
>>>
>>>iySyS
>>
>>
>


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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Mike D wrote:

> danny played at a party down in houston last month with the purrin lion 
> crew, was supposed to battle (wanna battle me) sean vishnu but never did 
> cause of illness..
> who do you think would come out smiling at the end?
> i gotta put it on the hometown favorite danny

I've never seen Danny myself but i'll say that Vish has a lot of skills
packed up. It'd be tight to watch i'm sure. Then again, with jungle DJs
its sorta silly to "battle". Its more of a show off contest on scratching
most of the time. If you wanna see some crazy skills, Audio 3 down in
Houston does some mad beat juggling with old ragga crossfading behind the
back and using his mouth and shit. Really tight stuff.

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     It's not much different here in Chicago either.  70 degrees at 5:00 PM 
     yesterday, then I wake up and it's 25 degrees with flurries!  WTF?
     
     rEalm


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---Jason Schroeder <jasons@dlab.com> wrote:
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> > Plenty of party kids in Missouri, as well as net peeps! Columbia has
> > pulled off some rawkin parties. Go for it.
> 
>Columbia throws some of the best parties!!! 

I've heard that someone may be a party there on the 10th or 17th of
April.

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"B.O.R. Productions" <borproductions@bluegrass.net> said:

>can it be 75 degrees on thursday and you wake up to an inch of snow on
>friday morning !!!!!

Heh.. lets see.. at around 3am  thursday morning  I called the local time
and temp. number out of curiosity.  It was 53.  ( I'm in wisconsin )  At
around 8am, thursday morning, there was a pretty burly thunderstorm.
Complete with rain, hail, lightning, and thunder.  Around 11 am, it was
colder and sleeting.  Around 1 or so, it was about 15 degrees, with a full
on blowing snow blizzard.   It finally stoped snowing this morning.

I love wisconsin.





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dj muppetfucker <noahphex@happy.hardcorps.org> said:

>I've never seen Danny myself but i'll say that Vish has a lot of skills
>packed up. It'd be tight to watch i'm sure. Then again, with jungle DJs
>its sorta silly to "battle".

I've seen Danny play a couple of times.  Pretty damn impressive!  But, I've
never heard Lord Vishnu, so I can't really comment.





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In a message dated 99-02-12 01:10:33 EST, GNM3744@aol.com writes:

<< > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 >  Work like you don't need the money, 
 >  Love like you've never been hurt, 
 >  And dance like no one's watching   :)
 >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
 saw it on a sign for a coffee shop on the Miami campus today 
 
 werd... >>

YAY!   That's what I like to hear :)       Now everyone live it!!!

Peace  ~Darian~
(no sig required ;P)

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we ARE thworing a party here in Columbia on either the 10th or 17th of
April...  this is the yearly installment of the solstice party...  i'll
post details as soon as they are available...zAcH

Zach Rieken
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Stan Doublin wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---Jason Schroeder <jasons@dlab.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Plenty of party kids in Missouri, as well as net peeps! Columbia has
> > > pulled off some rawkin parties. Go for it.
> > 
> >Columbia throws some of the best parties!!! 
> 
> I've heard that someone may be a party there on the 10th or 17th of
> April.
> 
> Stan
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just FYI...I want you all to know I am spending my 21st b-day with you 
all.  Yeah my birthday is valentines day so starting at 12am (when we 
meet for the net meet) I AM 21...yeah I know its not as old as some of 
you fuckers...*coughtrunkcough*...so make my 21st a good one and show me 
extra love...hell you can bring me cards and presents too...I wouldn't 
complain at ALL...anyway I'll be the kid in a pink shirt with pink hair 
(it's valentines day...I know I should wear black)and really phat 
pants...see you there.
plur
dylan
strung out productions
*the love party*
Feb 26 1999
(785)242-5200 ext. 8215

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(785)242-5200 ext. 8256
(785)242-5200 ext. 8256
(785)242-5200 ext. 8256
(785)242-5200 ext. 8256
(785)242-5200 ext. 8256
thats the info line for the love party...if you call the other extention 
you get my room...
dylan
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you know what i like about this party? it has absolutely positively
nuthin' to do with valentine's day. see y'all there!

=jes
will probably be sporting the rainbow pants ;)

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Michael Latzy wrote:

> 
> 	So far, the list looks like this:       
> 
> 
> Mike (an0maly@wizardworkshop.com)	       
> 
> Gabe (GNM3744@aol.com)       
> 
> Amanda (methalymine@yahoo.com)       
> 
> azurensis@hotmail.com      
> 
> Di (stuk_n_the_midl@hotmail.com)<bold><color><param>C000,C000,C000</param><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>azurensis@hotmail.com       
> 
> </bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>Joe (djxotica@impop.bellatlantic.net)<color><param>C000,C000,C000</param><smaller> <bigger>     
> 
> <color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>lauryN* (GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com)<FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>      
> 
> Chuck (charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu)    
> 
>      ^---bringin crews from Toledo and Bryan, OH too  
> 
> iySyS (borproductions@bluegrass.net)  
> 
> Steve (BaMbOo513@aol.com)
> 
> Crystal (cstites@hotmail.com)  
> 
> Jes (jes@pubnix.org) and Peter and crew from Urbana
> 
> Neil (neil@lightstream.net)
> 
> 
> <color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>	  Since I only received two different suggestions on the locations 
> and times, I went ahead and decided for us all... The first netmeet 
> will be at 11:00 for those early birds :) and the second meet (for 
> the fashionably late like Crystal :) ) will be at 2:30.. Location for 
> both will be in the <bold>MAIN ROOM </bold>at the wall by the girls bathroom on 
> the <bold>RIGHT SIDE</bold> as you are looking at the bathroom.. Di said she will 
> be bringing a sign for the net meet so please keep your eyes open.. 
> Also, Crystal pointed out that I am relatively easy to spot since I 
> AM 6'6".. (oh yeah) with dark red hair and I will be wearing a green 
> Adidas jacket... if you see me, give me a "hello!!"  
> 
> 	Also, any more suggestions are still welcome or if you think the 
> times should be changed, just let me know through that address listed 
> above... Hope to see everyone there!  :)
> 
> <nofill>
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nah nah nah....
it's "get 'em before thier hair does"
or "if there's grass on the field, play ball!"

Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani wrote:

> *!!prAsAd!!* wrote:
>
> > "WillEBear" <willebear@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > >How do you know ol' Wilhem isn't behind this whole thing????
> > >I've heard him say about the girls..."Old enough to pee...Old enough for
> > >me."
> >
> > isn't the actual quote, "old enuf to add... old enuf to multiply."
> >
> > (fyi, the legal age in michigan is 16) :P
>
> nah nah nah its "old enough to sit at the table, then she's old enough to
> pass the meat!!!"
>
> no actually i think its "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed"
>
> --
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> All government, all law and authority finally rests on force & violence,
> on punishment or fear of punishment...
> TEAR IT DOWN & LET THE TRUTH BEGIN!!!   F.T.W.
>
> I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists
> and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
> your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
> I am chaos.  I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.
>
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>can it be 75 degrees on thursday and you wake up to an inch of snow on
>friday morning !!!!!

not just kentucky... same thing happened in chicago too... bizarre...

-scott

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AC wrote:

> Uhmm last weekend There was a fairly large event in Kansas(about 400
> ppl) and everything went off well, plus a first. The media handled the
> event in a very positive manner. We did not expect them but they showed
> up and shocked us all.... Wow, maybe there is hope, ill fill you all in
> later (been pullin all nighters out at work since the event)

This would be wonderful if we could get the media to start doing this.
The
reason is that media exposure is self-fulfilling.  If raves are portrayed
as
places to just take and sell drugs, then those kinds of people will see
these
news broadcasts and think "wow, I should go to a rave."  On the other
hand, if things are portrayed in a positive light, it will attract more
positive
people.

BTW, I wonder if any of the production companies that have had news
people at their events doing hack pieces (e.g. "crave the rave") have
ever thought about suing?  I absolutely *love* seeing the media get sued
for doing hack journalism.



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In a message dated 2/12/99 1:22:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sjackson@megsinet.net writes:

<< underground scenes have clung to tables as their medium.  doubt it 
 though. Interesting to think of at least. I'd like to see DJs try to 
 beatmatch on a reel2reel machine.....
 
 -scott
  >>

martin atkins has at least got the scratching down on a reel 2 reel...

entro

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ummmm yea it is, i flipped this mornin wheni saw it to... and im in cincy!  




curtis writes:

> No that is not possible.
>  
>  
>  >can it be 75 degrees on thursday and you wake up to an inch of snow on
>  >friday morning !!!!!
>  >
>  >iySyS

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dj dexta from australia looks just like me!
....now if i only have his juggling skills.

that's it for my review. 

i mean, it is pretty much the same as the
other videos - bad production and crazy b
got the second price.

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Heya Kids,
I'll be at Love tomorrow...  I'm the girl with the really short, BRIGHT pink
hair.  Gray Cargo Pants and a Blue T-shirt...
I'll have my lunchbox with me, I'm handing out Valentines and Candy and other
various kinds of crap.  
No, not crap, fun stuff!
Net meet at 1 by the guys bathroom, correct?  I'm there!  Can't wait to see
you all  :)

Jen

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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Jon Gilkison wrote:

> It never ceases to amaze me the number of clueless idiots involved in
> whatever may still exist of a scene, or the apathy by which idiocy is
> greeted and regarded.

There are clueless idits everywhere regardelss of scene, non-scene or 
not.  And I think there has always been apathy.  I mean, does EVERY 
individual, even in the rave scene, contribute something beyond attending 
parties?  So how do you judge the apathy rating of these people?  And why 
judge them anyway?
 
> I don't get why whomever admins this list is letting it through.  This
> raverporn site ain't about respect, it ain't about contributing, it's all
> about mocking and money.  And if actual ravers are posing for this shit, how
> much lower can this scene go?

Society has changed a great deal since both you and I started considering 
ourselves part of the rave scene.  And I know part of your personal 
history, Jon; I know enough about you to know that you've always 
contributed a lot to whichever scene you considered yourself part of.  
But I think both you and I have to look at what role(s) exactly we play 
in this whole thing.  Why are we stil on this mailing list?  Do we think 
the rave scene contributes anything to society as a whole?  Even if it 
doesn't, does that really matter?  Are they merely parties or is it some 
sort of worldwide creative energy engine?



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it happened in ohio too :P



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what about danny v. zakaos?



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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, michael mccusty wrote:

> what about danny v. zakaos?

The zzakaos would win. Easy.


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ahahahahahah......we dont have any snow*.....wooohooooo (and im in indiana
too*...lol..its still damn cold here tho)

we are startin to get flurries again tho so i should keep mah mouth shut
before i jinx bloomington with a foot of snow*

that would suck
peeeeeSh
lauryN*

SEE YA ALL AT TRANQUILITY

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>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that "doeffler effects" is when
>sounds seem to come from different directions.
>


Isn't that "doppler" though?... humm... thanx for the idea though
(I'm going to check on that).. Eitherway, I just discovered that
planet x has real audio of this e.p. ... sounds better than most djax
shit I hear.. might just pick it up..

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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Anybody know of a track producer from new york named
phenotype? sounds familiar...

just curious..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>I've seen Danny play a couple of times.  Pretty damn impressive!  But, I've
>never heard Lord Vishnu, so I can't really comment.

i've heard both of them play, and if they were to "battle" I think danny
would win.  that's based only on scratching skills though.  vishnu has him
beat on track selection any day.

let me just add that battling isn't something jungle djs usually do, unless
they're from LA and think they're some sort of badass.

chris

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note to willebear, prasad, blitz, and all others making silly little one
line 'jokes' on this topic.  stop.  you never know who you might be
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Version 2 (the short one)..

everything probably would have gone off well for Ol brian.. All
of these problems stemmed from one event-->

IT RAINED .. IT RAINED FUCKING BALLS.. well, ok.. it didn't
really rain fornicating testicles, but it did pour hard a few days
prior to the party.. This forced brian and the rest of the ol spunky
gang to relocate.. This, in turn, forced them to abide by some new
laws and rules.. (only the main stage could be on at night, hence
the logistics problem of getting all those acts to play, extra money..
ect).. On top of all that, so many fucking kids snuck into the party
that .. well.. according to the article brian wrote, over half of them
(literally) must have snuck in.. Oddly enough, he never mentioned
(to my memory) that any money was stolen.. just that kids snuck in
and "imagine trying to tell a 1,000,000 angery djs that you have no money
with a packed party like that"...

ohh well... I had a fucking blast... outdoor parties like that are the
shit.. regardless of how it all turned out for UPS, we (me and my
*family*) made the best of it...

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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In a message dated 2/12/99 3:30:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, jens@idir.net
writes:

> Hey, someone help me find out who this boy is, so I can BEAT THE LIVING
>  FUCK OUT OF HIM.

okay... this has gotten retarded... seriously... two people who didn't measure
up to your porn standards posed for pics, big deal, more power to them i say,
they got the guts to do it... and as far as the guy posting the pics, good for
him... you all don't have to like it, but it is no worse than other stuff
"ravers" do... if you want to talk legality, it is more legal to post pictures
of people having sex than people doing drugs... perhaps the problems is people
not being able to tolerate this...

i also like how everyone bashed these kids for their physical appearance...
haha... you all should post naked pics of yourself for all to see and see what
people think of you...


being immoral as always

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To: "B.O.R. Productions" <borproductions@bluegrass.net>, <GNM3744@aol.com>,
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Subject: Re: [mw] FAMILY AFFAIR 5
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Btw- I heard from some dipshit who works for CBS that
family 5 will be sponsored by PEPSI!!!! .. I hope that was
a load of shit, she seemed really dim and wondered why
I had such a adverse reaction to this news... scary eh?
any CBS kids wanna validate this claim?

also, in Brians article, he said he would be doing a family party..

I'm not sure, but I don't think CBS is doing this in conjunction with
UPS.. and (if all works out great) we might be seeing a war of outdoor
parties this year !!!!... You'd know what I ment if you saw
what the fuck those CBS kids wrote on the back of their preFA5
flyers...

As a final note, anybody wanna do a timeline for these outdoor
events? or at least tell me if I'm missing any:

Furthur
Destiny
FA (???)
Interstellar Dreamfest

anything else




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From: "Michael Latzy" <an0maly@wizardworkshop.com>
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<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>  Okay peeps, here comes another update upside ya head!  If anybody 
is heading out to the pre-party tonight, it is located at the Armory 
at the Clark County Fairgrounds.. cost is $10.. for a full lineup and 
other info, e-mail M24Jay@aol.com or GNM3744@aol.com.. I will be 
there kickin' it full force so if you see me (6'6", red hair) come up 
and be friendly.. :)

 	If you need to be added to this netmeet list, please send a request 
to <bold>elemental77@juno.com </bold>(my other account).. don't send anything to 
this address as I may delete requests inadvertently.. 

	As for Tranquillity, the doors open at 10:00 pm Saturday night and 
the party is located at the flea market/billiards hall where Channel 
Jive, Bass Reaction, and countless other parties were...<bold> </bold>  

	

	Here's the list as of 4:00 pm 2/12:   


Mike (an0maly@wizardworkshop.com)

Gabe (GNM3744@aol.com)

Amanda (methalymine@yahoo.com)

azurensis@hotmail.com

Di (stuk_n_the_midl@hotmail.com)

Joe (djxotica@impop.bellatlantic.net)

lauryN* (GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com)

Chuck (charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu)

  ^------- bringing crews from Toledo and Bryan, OH too

iySyS (borproductions@bluegrass.net)  <<--it's her birthday party!  :)

Steve (BaMbOo513@aol.com)
Crystal (cstites@hotmail.com)

Jes (jes@pubnix.org) and Peter and crew from Urbana

Neil (neil@lightstream.net)

Gabby (sadconfusion@gurlmail.com)

Jenn (faerieprincess@hotmail.com)</color> <FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>

<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>	 

	 Since I only received two different suggestions on the locations  
and times, I went ahead and decided for us all... The first netmeet  
will be at 11:00 for those early birds :) and the second meet (for  
the fashionably late like Crystal :) ) will be at 2:30.. Location for 
 both will be in the <bold>MAIN ROOM </bold>at the wall by the girls bathroom on  
the <bold>RIGHT SIDE</bold> as you are looking at the bathroom.. Di said she will  
be bringing a sign for the net meet so please keep your eyes open..   
Also, like I said above, I AM 6'6" with dark red hair so I stick out 
like a sore thumb :)  I will be the beacon for all net ravers!! :P 
Flock to me oh children.. 

	Also, any more suggestions are still welcome or if you think the  
times should be changed, just let me know through that address listed 
 above... Hope to see everyone there!  :) 

<nofill>
**************************************************************
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#1) nope, I can't find it.. all that comes up is the
" Gentechnik und Lebensmittel" ...

#2) nice to see you back on this list.. I thought you had forsaken
us ;)...

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, chris ege wrote:

> i've heard both of them play, and if they were to "battle" I think danny
> would win.  that's based only on scratching skills though.  vishnu has him
> beat on track selection any day.

i agree. i vooote for danny.


> let me just add that battling isn't something jungle djs usually do, unless
> they're from LA and think they're some sort of badass.

Chris!!! what are you talking about!!! you haven't been drinking your
jungle juice, have you?!?


> 
> chris
> 

---------------------------------------------------

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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Scott Jackson wrote:

and don't forget Ohio. Yesterday we broke a record high from 1932 of 70
degrees... Yesterday it was 74... Today, when I left for school it was 31
degrees and I measured the snow on my car before I wiped it off... 1.5
inches of the nice wet snow... I live in cincinnati, btw...

> >can it be 75 degrees on thursday and you wake up to an inch of snow on
> >friday morning !!!!!
> 
> not just kentucky... same thing happened in chicago too... bizarre...

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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Homeskillet is the shit... When i lived in Cincinnati he used to 
freestyle like a mutha....with DJ Osirus on the tables.  I forget the 
name of the club, tho....ummm, By the UC dorms?

Crystal

>
>mood is a hip hop group from cincinnati, not cleveland...tho i know 
some of
>u chicagoans consider ohio one place, not several separate cities ;) :P
>but yeah, that LP "doom" is right wicked.
>
>>any appearances?
>
>u mean, guest mc's?  holmskillit i think was on the last 12" i heard of
>theirs...
>
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yes of course i'll be there but u already knew dat since i'll probably be
takin yer trance playin ass up there..umm and muh sidekick in crime Gip
will be there also :)

JaMeS


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Planet Red

Tranquillities Pre Party
Feb 12 1999
Doors open at 10:00
Info line : (937) 443-7773
Dj,s
DJ Quantum    Residency at club u4ia , Spinning Deep House + Disco House

Mike Donovan     Bounce Theory-Dayton

Guru    of Dayton

Jedeye    Bounce Therory-Dayton

More T.B.A

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you know, i'm all for netmeets, but you're not really gonna post this
every day now, are you?  haven't we been through this once already?  what
is it with you ohio kids?!?!?  =P




> 	
> 
> 	Here's the list as of 4:00 pm 2/12:   
> 
> 
> Mike (an0maly@wizardworkshop.com)
> 
> Gabe (GNM3744@aol.com)
> 
> Amanda (methalymine@yahoo.com)
> 
> azurensis@hotmail.com
> 
> Di (stuk_n_the_midl@hotmail.com)
> 
> Joe (djxotica@impop.bellatlantic.net)
> 
> lauryN* (GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com)
> 
> Chuck (charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu)
> 
>   ^------- bringing crews from Toledo and Bryan, OH too
> 
> iySyS (borproductions@bluegrass.net)  <<--it's her birthday party!  :)
> 
> Steve (BaMbOo513@aol.com)
> Crystal (cstites@hotmail.com)
> 
> Jes (jes@pubnix.org) and Peter and crew from Urbana
> 
> Neil (neil@lightstream.net)
> 
> Gabby (sadconfusion@gurlmail.com)
> 
> Jenn (faerieprincess@hotmail.com)</color> <FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>
> 
> <color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>	 


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>> anyone out there have the Gescom minidisc?     ill trade some nifty stuff
>> for a good copy of it...(in CD format)...
>
>No, but I have it on vinyl (I believe).  Do you track titles?  I could
>burn a CD copy of it for you.


uhh.. No offense, but that would just be plain stoOpid.. The point
of the MD format is crucial to how the music was intended to be
heard (on shuffle, which works allot faster on MD than CD)..
the tracks, when removed from this context, amount to nothing
but textures..

just my $2343.927

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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, [.v/jek.] wrote:

> uhh.. No offense, but that would just be plain stoOpid.. The point
> of the MD format is crucial to how the music was intended to be
> heard (on shuffle, which works allot faster on MD than CD)..
> the tracks, when removed from this context, amount to nothing
> but textures..

Ah, good point.  So do you know of a cheap and/or used portable MD 
player/recorder?
 
> just my $2343.927

Those are some damned expensive net access charges.


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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, [.v/jek.] wrote:

> #1) nope, I can't find it.. all that comes up is the
> " Gentechnik und Lebensmittel" ...

:P
 
> #2) nice to see you back on this list.. I thought you had forsaken
> us ;)...

Who says I ever really left?   ;-)


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So theres 1 gay person on here? hmmmm that seems a little low for this 
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>So theres 1 gay person on here? hmmmm that seems a little low for this
>list


For the sake of discussion (and to equal things out) I'll be gay
this week.. just as long as you don't ask me to put my new found
sexuality to the test...

tata,

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.yeah I know its not as old as some of 
you fuckers...*coughtrunkcough*...so make my 21st a good one and show 
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Just fer that...I'm gonna lick...I'm mean kick yours AND Jason's
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>Look for me before/after....yellow pooh back pack with flashing red
>light....
>
Fuckin' candy raver!!!  ;p

Yeah...I'll be there...look for the SF cap.

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Hey all,

  Remember a Chicago party last fall with Rabbit in the Moon and a 
progressive house DJ who blew everyone away named Billy Nasty?  I need 
booking information for this guy and I don't even know what city he's 
from. Help!


Shane
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From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Jon Gilkison wrote:

thought you had gone jong... =) nice to see you're still around...

> Some lonely individual, obviously of low intelligence and wit, creates a
> website that peddles and exploits and capitalises on something we should all
> be gaurding.  It's certainly a violation of the spirit and privacy that
> these events provide for us to do our own little thing without worry of
> external influence and pressure.  But now some kid, with horrible aesthetic
> sense and obviously no talent in terms of visual presentation, is trying to
> turn a buck by invading this privacy we've created and cultured for nearly
> 10 years.
> 

To be honest with you, I felt more offended by the violation (aka the
act), to which you eloquently explain above, than the fact that it's porn
(aka the content)... I've felt that over the years, the administrators
have done and tried to do a decent enough job at controlling some of these
oustide sources and influences, so that we aren't violated by shit like
this idiot posted, and the wonderful "make money quick spams".. basically,
this guy is using us to make a quick buck, and in my mind it compares to,
and is worse than the promoters who we all complain endlessly about that
scam us, and the promoters who have only been and join the scene for it's
money making capabilities. because with the promoters, we at least have
the choice as to whether or not we subject ourselves to their scams, and
money making schemes... in the case of this persons' post, and desire to
make a quick buck off of the 500+ people subscribed to the list, and the
administrator's inaction with controlling the outside srouce and
influence, I don't really have a choice as to whether or not I'm subjected
to his schemes. (except by hitting D, but usually I tend to read one mail
from each thread before making decisions about what I can delete. how was
I to know that this person was indeed serious, and not just trying to get
my attention for something else?)

> I don't get it.

me neither...

> 
> I don't get why whomever admins this list is letting it through.  This
> raverporn site ain't about respect, it ain't about contributing, it's all
> about mocking and money.  And if actual ravers are posing for this shit, how
> much lower can this scene go?
> 

I agree wholeheartedly with jong.  I'm sorry chad, but your reply
regarding the fact that you don't want to "censor" this list, seems to be
quite a weak excuse to me. You make sure that we don't get every "Make $1
million dollars a minute" spam that is posted to the list, or that we
don't get the "support this sick person, send a dollar and forward this
email to everyone you know" posts... Why is this one seen as any different
in your eyes?? All this person wants is to make money from us, by having
us go look at some porn site. For all we know, these people in the
pictures aren't even "ravers", but they're just dressed up to look like
what most people think the "typical" raver is supposed to look like... 

For years, I've fought with and tried to explain to people that our
"scene" really isn't one big orgy or all about sex,(but instead about the
music, and dancing and the "family feeling atmosphere at parties), and
then when you let someone so blantantly post something that is so anti-
what I thought and felt our scene and this list was ever about, it really
disappoints me... I thought it was mainly about music (where is that
REALLY represented in those raverporn pics, besides in the tables), and
then about the people coming together (especially the people on this list)
and being much like a second family... (I didn't see any of that
represented in the pics)...

It's not that I have a problem with porn, or internet porn... Because I
love a good porno once in a while.. The problem I have is that it was
posted to the list, and the when people complain about it, the
administration didn't make an apology, or take efforts to insure it
doesn't happen again, but instead made excuses, and talked about not
"censoring"... If you don't want to "censor" us Chad, then let all the
spam through, rave related or not... Hell, I'd love to know how to make a
million dollars a day....

sorry to come down so hard and sound like a bitch, but i really think that
this is a subject that should be "discussed" in an intelligent manner. I
think that it's time that the people on the list are able to have a say,
in an intelligent manner, about what they want and do not want posted to
the list... and that the administrators should really listen with open
ears and minds...

-Becky 

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> you know, i'm all for netmeets, but you're not really gonna post this
> every day now, are you?  haven't we been through this once already?  what
> is it with you ohio kids?!?!?  =P
 
You know what Doris? Why don't you relax and quit being so quick to 
point out that no one but you has the right to post to this list.. I 
think the bandwidth can handle ONE FUCKING POST a day made by me 
about a netmeet.. For Christ's sake, why don't you bitch to the 
people making short, one-line responses about raver porn or how to 
pronounce a fucking word.. they're the ones cluttering up my fucking 
mailbox..  goddamn.. 
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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, PLURkids Productions wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
>   Remember a Chicago party last fall with Rabbit in the Moon and a 
> progressive house DJ who blew everyone away named Billy Nasty?  I need 
> booking information for this guy and I don't even know what city he's 
> from. Help!
> 

progressive house?  i thought BN spins techno.  anyways, PURE, Thrill
Ride, I wasn't there, he's from the UK, and i don't have a #.

			pt


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     He's from the UK and he spins dark techno so I don't know if you're 
thinking of the right person.  He spun at Motor several months ago, so 
if you ask Linda G she'd probably give you all the info. ya need.  
Please bring him to Detroit if you can!  My favorite mixtape is by him, 
and I've never forgiven myself for missing him at Motor.

   Kevin

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>Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:59:28 PST
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>Hey all,
>
>  Remember a Chicago party last fall with Rabbit in the Moon and a 
>progressive house DJ who blew everyone away named Billy Nasty?  I need 
>booking information for this guy and I don't even know what city he's 
>from. Help!
>
>
>Shane
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PT wrote:

>
>progressive house?  i thought BN spins techno.  anyways, PURE, Thrill
>Ride, I wasn't there, he's from the UK, and i don't have a #.
>

  He might normally spin techno, but you should RUN NOT WALK to your 
nearest rekkid store and buy Zoom: Progressive House, a sm:)e relaese 
mixed by Billy Nasty. It is REALLY good.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 12 23:53:35 1999
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Oh, girl, you KNOW there's tons of sexual deviants on this list! <4 snaps
in a Z for-ma-tion!>

Seriously, tho.  There's a bunch on this list, I'm sure [Luis raises his
hand], and  tons more in the scene.  They just seem to blend in
more...since all ravers are essentially freaks at heart anyway. =]

Luis

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Midwest Boyy wrote:

> So theres 1 gay person on here? hmmmm that seems a little low for this 
> list
> - Midwest_boyy@hotmail.com
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In a message dated 2/12/99 2:44:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

<< >So theres 1 gay person on here? hmmmm that seems a little low for this
 >list
  >>
shit ... what else do u want ?... no gay here ...
ack ... nasty
alex

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I am in Olathe, KS...30 min. south of KC.

crystal

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Damn.  all it did here in KC was a strong wind and sleet.
It was pretty funkin cold tho....

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Sorry for the short notice.

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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Becky Wangenheim wrote:


> To be honest with you, I felt more offended by the violation (aka the
> act), to which you eloquently explain above, than the fact that it's porn
> (aka the content)... I've felt that over the years, the administrators
[bla bla bla about scams and more bla bla bla'ing.]

...
> money making capabilities. because with the promoters, we at least have
> the choice as to whether or not we subject ourselves to their scams, and
> money making schemes... in the case of this persons' post, and desire to
> make a quick buck off of the 500+ people subscribed to the list, and the
> administrator's inaction with controlling the outside srouce and
> influence, I don't really have a choice as to whether or not I'm subjected
> to his schemes. (except by hitting D, but usually I tend to read one mail
> from each thread before making decisions about what I can delete. how was
> I to know that this person was indeed serious, and not just trying to get
> my attention for something else?)
> 
> > I don't get it.

> me neither...

obviously.

you see, i dont' know how to keep these posts off the list...and if i
did, the only way i could think of is to scan posts for certain words like
"porn" or " masturbate" or any number of other "offensive" words.

if i do this, the majority of the other posts will not make it to the
list.

there's people who want to make a quick buck off you. deal with it.
really.  this is our society, and instead of complaining, i suggest
action.

which i hope you took by not visiting the site.  if so, be proud of
yourself.  or at least satisfied that you didn't contribute to that
person's scheme.

> I agree wholeheartedly with jong.  I'm sorry chad, but your reply
> regarding the fact that you don't want to "censor" this list, seems to be
> quite a weak excuse to me. You make sure that we don't get every "Make $1
> million dollars a minute" spam that is posted to the list, or that we
> don't get the "support this sick person, send a dollar and forward this
> email to everyone you know" posts...

do i really?  this is news to me.  i haven't seen one "get rich quick
scheme" come through my admin folder or anything of the sort.  in my
"training" jeff must have skipped over this section.

the only posts i get that are advertisements are from people who aren't
s*bscribed anyways.  the only reason you don't get these posts is because
i dont' pass them on to you.


 Why is this one seen as any different
> in your eyes?? All this person wants is to make money from us, by having
> us go look at some porn site. For all we know, these people in the
> pictures aren't even "ravers", but they're just dressed up to look like
> what most people think the "typical" raver is supposed to look like... 

my god...you did go to the site, didn't you? i feel scammed you can only
blame yourself. 

> For years, I've fought with and tried to explain to people that our
> "scene" really isn't one big orgy or all about sex,(but instead about the
> music, and dancing and the "family feeling atmosphere at parties), and
> then when you let someone so blantantly post something that is so anti-
> what I thought and felt our scene and this list was ever about, it really
> disappoints me... I thought it was mainly about music (where is that
> REALLY represented in those raverporn pics, besides in the tables), and
> then about the people coming together (especially the people on this list)
> and being much like a second family... (I didn't see any of that
> represented in the pics)...
> 

i see now, you simply have the wrong impresion of what an admin does...
do you know what i fucking do, becky?  the extent of my job so far has
been reading e-mail(nothing new), and approving s*bscriptions and
uns*bscriptions from people who weren't able to go through the process
correctly.  that's all it is..so far.  i don't have this godly authority
to know what people are going to say before they say it, and if you think
i do,then i know why you posted what you did to the mw-private list about
not getting the "job" (no, i am not subbed to that list).

i volounteered to do this just like you did...no one made me.

beyone that...who says "Rave{tm} is just about music?  what if i define it
as being just about sex and drugs (which i do not)?

rave, to me, is about not having to deal with bullshit drama... about
getting past that and seeing things as the really are.  you aren't doing
that right now, but am i dissapointed? 

i don't get dissappointed.

> It's not that I have a problem with porn, or internet porn... Because I
> love a good porno once in a while.. The problem I have is that it was
> posted to the list, and the when people complain about it, the
> administration didn't make an apology, or take efforts to insure it
> doesn't happen again, but instead made excuses, and talked about not
> "censoring"... If you don't want to "censor" us Chad, then let all the
> spam through, rave related or not... Hell, I'd love to know how to make a
> million dollars a day....

i will not apologize...and whether this happens again depends on the
people who are subscribed to the list.  

you see, this has been a fairly isolated incident. if we were constantly
being bombarded by this spam, i could see your point.  but the fact is,
our list is NOT. 

as for making a million dollars a day...pick up a basketball and learn to
use it.

> 
> sorry to come down so hard and sound like a bitch, but i really think that
> this is a subject that should be "discussed" in an intelligent manner. I
> think that it's time that the people on the list are able to have a say,
> in an intelligent manner, about what they want and do not want posted to
> the list... and that the administrators should really listen with open
> ears and minds...

i think we all know what we want posted to the list.  rave-related
material.  i'm sorry, but "raver porn" is rave related.  regardless of
what you define as rave, there's people on that site who look like
"ravers" whether they were just dressed up or whatever...doesn't matter.
someone looked at that site and thought "rave"...sad? sure.  worth
censorship? no.

the thread became un-rave-related when people felt the need to post on the
quality of the porn itself and ignored what it actually had to do with
"rave"

shit, someone could post a url about a big juicy raver pig.  it's rave
related.

again...i will not censor this list.  you are big boys and girls...carry
on as such.

but thanks, mom, for your constructive criticism.

peace,
Chad

-chad m sponholz-
-chad@hyperreal.org-
-http://www.hyperreal.org/~chad-
-v/m:(414)299.9256-

give me some food.


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Just say No to censoring -- at least rave-related stuff!

I don't care if I ever hear about porno sites, raver or not. And, I am
the first one to say that, for me, the rave scene is not about sex or
the exploitation of one sex by the other. In fact, I have always loved
the lack of gender differences in the scene. 

But, after that, oddly enough for those of you who know me, I have to
disagree wholeheartedly with Becky and say I do not beleive this list
should be censored of rave-related spam, if anyone can even agree what
that is. (posts from MTV Amp, party promoters, record labels). 

My personal view of this list is that it is a forum for discussing
anything that is of interest within the culture of the rave scene, even
if that includes porno for people who get more turned on if the
participants wear phat pants. 

If we start censoring posts based on Becky's, Jong's or even the vocal
list members opinions, we are assuing that EVERYONE shares that view of
what the rave scene is "about." But, we can't make that assumption,
especially about the rave scene, with it's tolerance of the "interesting
and unusual," whether that be piercings or sexual fetishes. 

I would be in favor of a policy that the list admin should feel free to
delete spam posted by anyone who is seen to make a habit of subbing just
to post their advertising, then promptly unsubbing, even if it is
rave-related. Maybe that is not realistic for an admin to do, I don't
know. Just a thought. 

Also, I think it is perfectly within the list admin's right, if not
duty, to privately request that discussions on any subject be terminated
or taken private if things get silly and out of hand on subjects that
are obviously NOT of interest to the majority of list members. That way,
those who ARE interested get a chance to talk to others with the same
interest, but then they can take it private if they want. 

Am I naive to think those kind of policies could work???

Hope we can all discuss this calmly, :-)

Peace,

-- Robin

Becky Wangenheim wrote:
> For years, I've fought with and tried to explain to people that our
> "scene" really isn't one big orgy or all about sex,(but instead about the
> music, and dancing and the "family feeling atmosphere at parties), and
> then when you let someone so blantantly post something that is so anti-
> what I thought and felt our scene and this list was ever about, it really
> disappoints me... I thought it was mainly about music (where is that
> REALLY represented in those raverporn pics, besides in the tables), and
> then about the people coming together (especially the people on this list)
> and being much like a second family... (I didn't see any of that
> represented in the pics)...
>

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Has anybody heard Wagon christ? i was watching MTV's video Clices (SHAME ON
ME!!!!!) and i saw this video, uh the music was good too! anybody knows more,
please email me!
SEE YOU ALL AT LOVE '99!
- Joe

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He's on Astralwerks.  That;s all I know.  On their website they hype the
fuck out him.  Go to www.astralwerks.com for more info.
-----Original Message-----
From: RaVeR1420@aol.com <RaVeR1420@aol.com>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 9:20 PM
Subject: [mw] Wagon Christ -Nrr?-


>Has anybody heard Wagon christ? i was watching MTV's video Clices (SHAME ON
>ME!!!!!) and i saw this video, uh the music was good too! anybody knows
more,
>please email me!
>SEE YOU ALL AT LOVE '99!
>- Joe


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luke vibert - plug - wagon christ... pretty much the same entity (WC with
caspar pound) - wish i would have known this earlier... i happened upon
mixmaster morris's site today (site for sore ears) and ended up on a realaudio
extravaganza of luke's new record on kiss fm...

you might want to check out plug's drum and bass for papa... luke vibert's big
soup... which first come to mind...

btw... does anyone have the rising high comp that had the wagon christ mix of
ruby's "parafin"  if anyone could mp3 that or something... i lost both copies
i had in the move...

entro

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Anyone else going to this tommorow night in CHI-TOWN???
   I will be there in all my glory...
                                     NetMEET???
           Love to all
                (o_o)
    dan Sharp

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   My friend just let me know the lineup for Dose -- Connected on March 
13th in Toronto.  I don't have all the info. but I have to post who's 
spinning cuz it's one of the best fuckin lineups I've ever seen.  Check 
this out -               info. line - (416)760-3275

      Roni Size
      Jumpin Jack Frost
      Dj Die
      Dj Sneak
      Dj Dan
      Carl Cox

      and ARMAND VAN HELDEN

       along with a few others that I can't remember.  I'm probably way 
over excited about this but I've wanted to see Armand Van Helden for 
years and he never spins within 500 miles of Detroit.  I hope to see a 
shitload of mw ravers there.  If anyone in the Detroit-Ann Arbor area 
needs a ride let me know. 


   Kevin


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Connected is hosted in 6 cities this year:
Toronto (Lifeforce/Dose), Cleveland (Phryl), Atlanta (Pleazure), Vancouver,
Los Angeles and Halifax

You guys have already seen the Atlanta lineups as I tend to spam on occasion
(Richie Hawtin, John Aquaviva, Aphrodite, Halo, Scott Richmond, etc), but
thought you guys would also be interested in the Cleveland lineup as if I
wasn't hosting Atlanta, I would definately be there  :)
Cleveland: Mickey Finn, Kenny Ken, Ed Rush, MC Fearless, Surgeon, James
Ruskin, Christian Smith, Vaporspace

look out for the super cool Connected magazines which will host flyers from
all locations... and of course if ya can't make it to an event, you can log on
and watch all events from your home PC.


In a message dated 2/13/99 3:15:06 AM GMT Standard Time,
krobbins77@hotmail.com writes:

<<   My friend just let me know the lineup for Dose -- Connected on March 
 13th in Toronto.  I don't have all the info. but I have to post who's 
 spinning cuz it's one of the best fuckin lineups I've ever seen.  Check 
 this out -               info. line - (416)760-3275
 
       Roni Size
       Jumpin Jack Frost
       Dj Die
       Dj Sneak
       Dj Dan
       Carl Cox
 
       and ARMAND VAN HELDEN
  >>

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hmm, I'm impressed... a fair, balanced attitude on mw-raves *smiles* Venn

.chad m sponholz. wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Becky Wangenheim wrote:
>
> > To be honest with you, I felt more offended by the violation (aka the
> > act), to which you eloquently explain above, than the fact that it's porn
> > (aka the content)... I've felt that over the years, the administrators
> [bla bla bla about scams and more bla bla bla'ing.]
>
> ...
> > money making capabilities. because with the promoters, we at least have
> > the choice as to whether or not we subject ourselves to their scams, and
> > money making schemes... in the case of this persons' post, and desire to
> > make a quick buck off of the 500+ people subscribed to the list, and the
> > administrator's inaction with controlling the outside srouce and
> > influence, I don't really have a choice as to whether or not I'm subjected
> > to his schemes. (except by hitting D, but usually I tend to read one mail
> > from each thread before making decisions about what I can delete. how was
> > I to know that this person was indeed serious, and not just trying to get
> > my attention for something else?)
> >
> > > I don't get it.
>
> > me neither...
>
> obviously.
>
> you see, i dont' know how to keep these posts off the list...and if i
> did, the only way i could think of is to scan posts for certain words like
> "porn" or " masturbate" or any number of other "offensive" words.
>
> if i do this, the majority of the other posts will not make it to the
> list.


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 Well heres the story I had a ride but then I have been trying to cal 
him all week but either thephone is busy or noone is there. Time is 
running out!!!!! So anyone in the cincinnati area going who has room for 
one more in there car PLEASE  give me a ride!!!
 I'll pay for gas and I have a bag ul of goodies ready!!!! Please help 
me.


    Diana
            513-489-0320

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 as we dance to a beat that seems out of time
 to the one you feel in the metronome of your mind
 does it offend you that our rhythm looks strange
 or causes your thinking to be rearranged
 could it be that you would understand this beat which we dance
 or clearly had you been given the chance
 so as you struggle to find the feel with your feet
 ask yourself "CAN YOU DANCE TO MY BEAT"


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Okay, i will be with trunk this weekend.
I will be wearing a green t-shirt that says "Boys Lie",
and camo pants.  Make sure you say hello to me, and make
my friend feel welcome, cause she doesn't know how the
scene is out here!!!  We gotta show her the love!!!

Crystal

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Armand Van Helden isn't all that. I was way pumped to see him at last
year's Winter Music Conference, but honestly, I saw him 3 (!) times
there in Miami, and his sets made me tired. A little speed garage is
good mixed in with other stuff, but all his records sounded the same.
<shrug> Maybe he was having an off week, or "playing to the other DJs"
in attendance. I've heard some of the DJs do that at the WMC, as if that
excuses a tired set???

But the rest of the lineup sounds dope! Hope some of you get to go!
Hell, wish i was going! :-)

PS HI, Kevin!

-- Robin 

Kevin Robbins wrote:
> 
>    My friend just let me know the lineup for Dose -- Connected on March
> 13th in Toronto.  I don't have all the info. but I have to post who's
> spinning cuz it's one of the best fuckin lineups I've ever seen.  Check
> this out -               info. line - (416)760-3275
> 
>       Roni Size
>       Jumpin Jack Frost
>       Dj Die
>       Dj Sneak
>       Dj Dan
>       Carl Cox
> 
>       and ARMAND VAN HELDEN
> 
>        along with a few others that I can't remember.  I'm probably way
> over excited about this but I've wanted to see Armand Van Helden for
> years and he never spins within 500 miles of Detroit.  I hope to see a
> shitload of mw ravers there.  If anyone in the Detroit-Ann Arbor area
> needs a ride let me know.

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 13 05:14:04 1999
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umm,
if you want, i could PROBABLY hook them up on tape.. but not on cd.. they
are like, both outta print and whatever.

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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, doris wrote:

> with all this eminem talk, my question (that i was gonna ask anyway) seems
> quite fitting.  
> a friend of mine would like to get his hands on the cd "infinite" and the
> ep "slim shady" (also on cd), but claims that they're in circulation only
> in the detroit area.  do any of you detroit area kids know where i could
> find them?  (derek?  rekkid time?)
> i'd really appreciate your help  =)
> **doris**
> 
> 


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>> Chuck (charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu)
>>
>>   ^------- bringing crews from Toledo and Bryan, OH too

what!?!

there are "crews" in bryan?!?!?!?

good god, this rave thing has gone too far.

i grew up in bryan and to think that more than one or two people there go
raving is nearly unfathomable.



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Just wanted to let you know that I have officially moved all my email and
that kind of junk to this account.  Please update your address books.

~~Koog~~Tracy~~
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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:35:24 -0800 (PST) ".chad m sponholz."
<chad@hyperreal.org> writes:

>
>shit, someone could post a url about a big juicy raver pig.  it's rave
>related.
>
>again...i will not censor this list.  you are big boys and 
>girls...carry on as such.
>

I would have to add, that several people actually went to the site.  Some
enjoyed it, some didn't.
But the fact alone that they visited the site shows that there is
interest among list members, 
which in my opinion validates it's presence here.

	Joe
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From: Steven White <steve@barkingcat.org>
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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Becky Wangenheim wrote:

> To be honest with you, I felt more offended by the violation (aka the
> act), to which you eloquently explain above, than the fact that it's porn
> (aka the content)... I've felt that over the years, the administrators
> have done and tried to do a decent enough job at controlling some of these
> oustide sources and influences, so that we aren't violated by shit like
> this idiot posted, and the wonderful "make money quick spams".. 

Why do you think it's the case that Chad has control over the content on 
the list?  He doesn't have to OK each and every post to the list.  That 
would be physically impossible.  Well, if he wanted to be able to have a 
life that is.

> basically,
> this guy is using us to make a quick buck, and in my mind it compares to,
> and is worse than the promoters who we all complain endlessly about that
> scam us, and the promoters who have only been and join the scene for it's
> money making capabilities.

He's only going to make a quick buck if you choose to give it to him.  No 
one coerced you to visit the site.  And a few people on this list seemed 
to enjoy it.  That's fine with me but I won't be looking at it.

[...]
> influence, I don't really have a choice as to whether or not I'm subjected
> to his schemes. (except by hitting D, but usually I tend to read one mail
> from each thread before making decisions about what I can delete. how was
> I to know that this person was indeed serious, and not just trying to get
> my attention for something else?)

But that's your choice Becky.  Didn't the subject header of the original 
message say 'raver porn'?  If it did then you bought into it already and 
have nothing to complain about.
 
> I agree wholeheartedly with jong.  I'm sorry chad, but your reply
> regarding the fact that you don't want to "censor" this list, seems to be
> quite a weak excuse to me. You make sure that we don't get every "Make $1
> million dollars a minute" spam that is posted to the list, or that we
> don't get the "support this sick person, send a dollar and forward this
> email to everyone you know" posts... 

No, he doesn't.  It might be possible to apply filters to majordomo for 
specific content in the subject headers of messages but it's my 
understanding this is not enabled at the present time.  But it doesn't 
need to be since the only way to post to the list is to s*b to it first.

> Why is this one seen as any different
> in your eyes?? All this person wants is to make money from us, by having
> us go look at some porn site. For all we know, these people in the
> pictures aren't even "ravers", but they're just dressed up to look like
> what most people think the "typical" raver is supposed to look like... 

Uh oh, it does seem like you looked at the site.  But now you're 
complaining about it.  If the subject header read 'raver porn' and you 
looked at the site then you deserve everything you get, IMHO.
 
> For years, I've fought with and tried to explain to people that our
> "scene" really isn't one big orgy or all about sex,(but instead about the
> music, and dancing and the "family feeling atmosphere at parties), and
> then when you let someone so blantantly post something that is so anti-
> what I thought and felt our scene and this list was ever about, it really
> disappoints me... 

I don't think this has very much to do with sex, actually.  I'm a bit 
surprised really because I've always found ravers to be a bit asexual.  But 
what do I know.

The person in question s*b'ed to the list like everyone else so he could 
post.  Chad doesn't have to OK every s*b request, if he did he woudn't 
have a life.

[...]
> sorry to come down so hard and sound like a bitch, but i really think that
> this is a subject that should be "discussed" in an intelligent manner. I
> think that it's time that the people on the list are able to have a say,
> in an intelligent manner, about what they want and do not want posted to
> the list... and that the administrators should really listen with open
> ears and minds...

This is starting to sound like you're simply pissed off that you weren't 
picked for the admin gig.  But from your reaction to this post and the 
whole food thing it's pretty clear why this was the case.  LIst admins 
aren't supposed to act like parents, they are supposed to be as objective 
as possible, if the intent of said mailing list agrees with this tenent.  
And in our case, it does.


Steven White				/"\
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 13 16:11:50 1999
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I dunno Vish might have a chance.... ever heard him play hip-hop?? The
couple hip-hop sets I have heard him play were wikked ;)

Plus he is one of my favorite dj's from Texas
;)

Jenni

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> >I've seen Danny play a couple of times.  Pretty damn impressive!
>  But, I've
> >never heard Lord Vishnu, so I can't really comment.
>
> i've heard both of them play, and if they were to "battle" I think danny
> would win.  that's based only on scratching skills though.  vishnu has him
> beat on track selection any day.
>
> let me just add that battling isn't something jungle djs usually
> do, unless
> they're from LA and think they're some sort of badass.
>
> chris
>


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From: "Mike Compo" <godfoot@usa.net>
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Greetings!

Anyone have any opinions on any of the following UK record labels?

Filterless Records
Tinrib
Eve Records UK
COSHH
Alien Trax

Thanks for any input anyone can offer.

Peace and love,

Mike aka Hex
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On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:52:54 -0400 michael mccusty writes:
>
>>> Chuck (charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu)
>>>
>>>   ^------- bringing crews from Toledo and Bryan, OH too
>
>what!?!
>
>there are "crews" in bryan?!?!?!?
>
>good god, this rave thing has gone too far.
>
>i grew up in bryan and to think that more than one or two people there 
>go
>raving is nearly unfathomable.

creepy, huh??  I'd always meet -someone- from Bryan at a party in Toledo
when I was living there ('specially at the in the mix ones)






















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Who's playing in St Louis Tonight??  Sorry I wasn't paying attention before
but I didn't decide to go til tonight.  When is the Net Meet?  It'll be my
first...
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willebear@mindspring.com



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i was reading a bio on big jus from company flow... (rawkus, you haven't
heard?  you should.)

seems he was a garage house producer (breaks as well) in st louis of all
places?

any one got any info to confirm this?  or track listings... i would like to
check it.

entro
http://www.boombox.net/
co flow at rocksteady weekend

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(Sorry to clog all the mail boxes!!!)

Kelli-
I lost your E mail address! If ya still need a ride tonight, hit me back  :)
If not, see you tonight.

Jen

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At 11:05 AM 2/13/99 -0600, Mike Compo wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>Anyone have any opinions on any of the following UK record labels?
>
>Filterless Records
>Tinrib
>Eve Records UK
>COSHH
>Alien Trax
>
Eve is a totally wicked label, put out some incredible tracks, have one of
their records (they are like Noom in that they usually just number their
records, but unlike Noom they don't name the groups/people on it) that has
some totally wicked samples from dune in it and is totally wicked cyberish
trance. My roomie has tons of Eve stuff and i haven't heard a bad track
from them yet..As for the others I haven't really heard of them :(
-Jeffz

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<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param> 	Alright y'all, tonight's the night!  It's gonna be off da hook.. 
Doors open at 10:00 pm, cost is $20 before 1am... please try to get 
there early for the first netmeet.. :) 

 	 The party is located at the flea market/billiards hall where 
Channel  Jive, Bass Reaction, and countless other parties were...<bold> </bold>   

	 Here's the final netmeet list for tonight:    


Mike (an0maly@wizardworkshop.com) 

Gabe (GNM3744@aol.com) 

Amanda (methalymine@yahoo.com) 

azurensis@hotmail.com 

Di (stuk_n_the_midl@hotmail.com) 

Joe (djxotica@impop.bellatlantic.net) 

lauryN* (GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com) 

Chuck (charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu) 

  ^------- bringing crews from Toledo and Bryan, OH too 

iySyS (borproductions@bluegrass.net)  <<--it's her birthday party!  :) 
Steve (BaMbOo513@aol.com)
Crystal (cstites@hotmail.com) 

Jes (jes@pubnix.org) and Peter and crew from Urbana 

Neil (neil@lightstream.net) 

Gabby (sadconfusion@gurlmail.com) 

Jenn (faerieprincess@hotmail.com)<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>  <FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>

<FontFamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Matt (ratfink@wizardworkshop.com)

Liz (Veggie418@aol.com)<FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>

<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>	  

	 Even if you're not on the list and you wanna show up for the meets, 
please do so, we would love to see you.. just let us know who you 
are.. The first netmeet will be at <bold>11:00 </bold>for us early birds and the 
second meet (for the fashionably late like Crystal :) ) will be at 
<bold>2:30</bold>.. Location for both will be in the <bold>MAIN ROOM </bold>at the wall by the 
girls bathroom on the <bold>RIGHT SIDE</bold> as you are looking at the bathroom.. 
If Di is able to find a ride, she said she will be bringing a sign 
for the net meet so please keep your eyes open..  If she isn't able 
to make it  :(  then look for me because I AM 6'6" with dark red hair 
so I stick out like a sore thumb :)  I will be wearing a dark green 
Adidas jacket with a blue and white logo on the back and a pair of 
kikwears.. Come say hello so I know who showed up and who didn't 
..Hope to see everyone there and please drive safe!  :)  

<nofill>
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ok i dont know if my ride is comin through or not
but for the people who for sure are goin the netmeet is gonna be at the Mens
bathroom @ 1am, rite everybody?? Ok welli hope you all have a great time and
maybe ill see ya there
~*Love ya*~
- Joe

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Tay, I'mma be at love tonight in Minnepolis w/ a bunch o' friends, so if 
you wanna say hola I'll be the kid in all black w/ leopard spotted hair. 
My name's Bry'n btw. Hehe. : )

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       Slow Dance
   Have you ever watched kids
   on a merry-go-round
   Or listened to the rain
   slapping on the ground?

   Ever followed a butterfly's erratic flight
   Or gazed at the sun into the fading night?
   You better slow down
   Don't dance so fast
   Time is short
   The music won't last

   Do you run through each day
   on the fly
   When you ask "How are you?"
   do you hear the reply?

   When the day is done,
   do you lie in your bed
   With the next hundred chores
   running through your head?

   You'd better slow down
   Don't dance so fast
   Time is short
   The music won't last

   Ever told your child,
   We'll do it tomorrow
   And in your haste,
   not see his sorrow?

   Ever lost touch,
   Let a good friendship die
   'Cause you never had time
   to call and say "Hi"?

   You'd better slow down
   Don't dance so fast
   Time is short
   The music won't last

   When you run so fast to get somewhere
   You miss half the fun of getting there.
   When you worry and hurry through your day,
   It is like an unopened gift....
   Thrown away...

   Life is not a race.
   Do take it slower
   Hear the music
   Before the song is over.



leoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleo
leo                                                      leo
leo                ali braswell                          leo
leo     love is the message, music is the answer         leo
leo                                                      leo
leoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleoleo


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The MW-Raves Weekly Event Calendar:
http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/mw/calendar/

2 countries, 14 states, 57 events; 18 new and 6 updates
...check out what everyone keeps yelling at me about

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 Dont worry I found a ride!!!! Lets give give a great big yea for 
Adam!!!




    Di

>From: "Michael Latzy" <an0maly@wizardworkshop.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org
>Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:49:04 -0500
>Subject: {pb-cle} FINAL Tranquillity Netmeet Update
>
><color><param>0100,0100,0100</param> 	Alright y'all, tonight's the 
night!  It's gonna be off da hook.. 
>Doors open at 10:00 pm, cost is $20 before 1am... please try to get 
>there early for the first netmeet.. :) 
>
> 	 The party is located at the flea market/billiards hall where 
>Channel  Jive, Bass Reaction, and countless other parties were...<bold> 
</bold>   
>
>	 Here's the final netmeet list for tonight:    
>
>
>Mike (an0maly@wizardworkshop.com) 
>
>Gabe (GNM3744@aol.com) 
>
>Amanda (methalymine@yahoo.com) 
>
>azurensis@hotmail.com 
>
>Di (stuk_n_the_midl@hotmail.com) 
>
>Joe (djxotica@impop.bellatlantic.net) 
>
>lauryN* (GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com) 
>
>Chuck (charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu) 
>
>  ^------- bringing crews from Toledo and Bryan, OH too 
>
>iySyS (borproductions@bluegrass.net)  <<--it's her birthday party!  :) 
>Steve (BaMbOo513@aol.com)
>Crystal (cstites@hotmail.com) 
>
>Jes (jes@pubnix.org) and Peter and crew from Urbana 
>
>Neil (neil@lightstream.net) 
>
>Gabby (sadconfusion@gurlmail.com) 
>
>Jenn (faerieprincess@hotmail.com)<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>  
<FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>
>
><FontFamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Matt 
(ratfink@wizardworkshop.com)
>
>Liz (Veggie418@aol.com)<FontFamily><param>Times New 
Roman</param><bigger>
>
><color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>ARIAL</param><smaller>	  
>
>	 Even if you're not on the list and you wanna show up for the meets, 
>please do so, we would love to see you.. just let us know who you 
>are.. The first netmeet will be at <bold>11:00 </bold>for us early 
birds and the 
>second meet (for the fashionably late like Crystal :) ) will be at 
><bold>2:30</bold>.. Location for both will be in the <bold>MAIN ROOM 
</bold>at the wall by the 
>girls bathroom on the <bold>RIGHT SIDE</bold> as you are looking at the 
bathroom.. 
>If Di is able to find a ride, she said she will be bringing a sign 
>for the net meet so please keep your eyes open..  If she isn't able 
>to make it  :(
  then look for me because I AM 6'6" with dark red hair 
>so I stick out like a sore thumb :)  I will be wearing a dark green 
>Adidas jacket with a blue and white logo on the back and a pair of 
>kikwears.. Come say hello so I know who showed up and who didn't 
>..Hope to see everyone there and please drive safe!  :)  
>
><nofill>
>**************************************************************
>"If God dropped acid, would he see people?"  -- Steven Wright
>
>an0maly a.k.a. Mike Latzy
>email: an0maly@wizardworkshop.com
>ICQ#: 6978433
>AOL IM Nickname: an0maly99
>IRC EFnet Nickname: an0maly
>**************************************************************
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Hey...has anyone made it through on the Love 99 infoline yet?
Directions etc would be cool
Huy

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hey kids!

I'll see ya at the net meet.  boy's room at 1.  If for some 
reason ya want to look me up before that I'll be a girl with 
purplish ( I hope it turns out purple! ) short hair, khaki 
pants, some plain raggy old t-shirt, lots of glitter, and 
two pink glow sticks.   oh, while I was buying those glow 
sticks at cynesthesia I overheard the party was going to be 
in the same space as last year, and that boogie has this 
"pimpin" red jacket with a velvet collar.

see ya
much love,
  Kelli

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I'm sorta behind in messages so someone may have said this already, but 
you left out TimeQuake, his latest.  As well as at least one really good 
interview book.

Ethan
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icq:629161


>Cat's Cradle
>Slaughterhouse 5
>God Bless You Mr. Rosewater
>Galapagos
>Breakfast Of Champions
>Player Piano
>
>
>
>--
>--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
>dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
>    http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
>      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm
>
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I'll be there, but I was up soo late last night sewing (shut up) and I 
worked all day so I don't think my energy levels will be very up.. 

But I'm still excited.

Ethan
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>Anyone else going to this tommorow night in CHI-TOWN???
>   I will be there in all my glory...
>                                     NetMEET???
>           Love to all
>                (o_o)
>    dan Sharp
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>>Eve Records UK

>>
>Eve is a totally wicked label, put out some incredible tracks, have one of
>their records (they are like Noom in that they usually just number their
>records, but unlike Noom they don't name the groups/people on it) that has
>some totally wicked samples from dune in it and is totally wicked cyberish
>trance. My roomie has tons of Eve stuff and i haven't heard a bad track
>from them yet..As for the others I haven't really heard of them :(

Eve Records is Pablo Gargano, who has been releasing quality trance for
years.  I not only have a ton of Eve (get the triple pack Girotondo)
releases, but stuff from him on Rabbit City and Metropolitan.  


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a few months ago he was touring, as wagon christ.
he stopped at the metro in chicago. i forget who was with him.
i went alone b/c no one wanted to go but met up with some people there.
getting to the point now, his set was one of the better i've seen.
he started with some low-end stuff, moved into hiphop and ended with dnb.
about 2 or 2 and a half hours of just a straight good variety of music.
he obviously had a real nice sampling mixer (it could have been the house
mixer, a friend from la said he did nothing like i am about to describe at
his show there) he sampled little tricks and worked them into both straight
tracks and blends with ease.
towards the end of the night, about 50 people were left in the whole metro.
he came down on the floor and talked with us about the set.
the whole night was just great.

oh yeah, i wrote a review of it that night, if anyone is desperate for
more, get back to me.

Evan.
ElectroMedia, Ltd.

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Its been busy all day long, I don't know why... but its really buggin me...

Jen

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if you do, tell her I'd still like a ride to Love.  I don't 
know if she has gotten my e-mails.

thanks much!

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Tonite @ 9pm cst...

The Olaris Network Chart Show
Counting down the top tracks on the Olaris Network from #15 to #1 over
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-----Original Message-----
From: TOBY M BROSNAHAN <TMB4@prodigy.net>
To: STL Raves Email <stl-raves@egroups.com>; mo-raves
<mo-raves@hyperreal.org>; mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 9:09 PM
Subject: St. Louis---LOVE LIFE---Net Meet Update


>Hey kids,
>
>Well the net meet is set for midnight at the smart bar.  There is only one
>of these bars out there...so when you get there before you mark off yer
home
>base or shake dat ass....find this spot and set your alarm.  Dave from SOL
>said that midnight would be a good time as the headliners will not have
been
>or going on at this time.  Apparently this venue is vast and multi-level so
>scope out all possible attractions......and from what Dave said, there will
>be some CrAzY shit going on this night....did anyone expect anything less
>from SOL?  =)  Eye candy for all to see.  Whoo Hoo!
>
>So we will all meet at midnight by the smart bar....stay there for like 15
>min to catch all the stragglers and then move to a more quieter place if
>needed to talk, chill, meet face to face and just spread some loving to the
>people you have meet or are going to meet via the list(s).   Come
on...reach
>out and TOUCH someone.  =p
>
>Look for me before/after....yellow pooh back pack with flashing red
>light....
>
>And SaucE from STL-raves?  You had BETTER find me and give me a valentine
or
>else!
>
>Peace and mucho love baby!
>
>Toby
>St. Louis
>
>T-minus 2 days till I hit FULL LOVE MODE....be afraid, be very afraid!
>
>
>"Yeah....I'm one of those Kindred Groovers....."
>
>KG HomePage
>www.KindredGroove.com
>
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At 2:47 PM -0600 02/13/1999, Jeff wrote:
> At 11:05 AM 2/13/99 -0600, Mike Compo wrote:
>>Greetings!
>>
>>Anyone have any opinions on any of the following UK record labels?
>>
>>Filterless Records
>>Tinrib
>>Eve Records UK
>>COSHH
>>Alien Trax
>>

I've only heard two tracks off of Tinrib.. something Dj Stryfe from New Orleans
had played for me. I would describe it as a (very)hard house variety of trance.
I don't know much else about it.  Everything everyone said about Eve records
is right on the money... excellent releases everytime. Pablo dj'd at Further.. kicked
me in the ass! loved it.
COSHH was a label created by those acid techno fellows in London. It's straight
acid techno... and if you like the chris liberator variety of trance you'll like this. 
I love the COSHH sleeve... it has several yellow driving hazard signs one of which
is an IRRITANT warning with a picture of a london police officer :-)   I think COSHH
is best known (so far) for its batrave track by The Well-Paid Scientists a.k.a
D.A.V.E. the Drummer.  Its an acid techno version of the batman theme song
from the 60s... you know the nah nah nahnahnah nahnah BATMAN!  with the
303 mimicing those vocals..   yeah it sounds like a stupid idea  but the track
is pure genius. Anybody who can take that dorky shit and turn it into a hard
as hell novelty track for acid techno is a god (IMHO).   Oh and D.A.V.E. the
Drummer gets my vote for who could be Pounding Grooves (sounds like him)
Do we have a definite answer on that question (who is Pounding Grooves) yet
or what?
 


Adam Mertz 
dj n.9

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In a message dated 99-02-12 15:54:59 EST, fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

<< As a final note, anybody wanna do a timeline for these outdoor
 events? or at least tell me if I'm missing any:
 
 Furthur
 Destiny
 FA (???)
 Interstellar Dreamfest
 
 anything else >>

While we are on the outdoorsy tip....I take it there is NOT going to be
another
ORIGIN this summer?  I sat and talked with the owners of the property at
the foodstand for awhile and they seemed to be completely into the whole
deal and I *thought* I heard from someone...somewhere that they wanted 
to do it again this year... Not sure if I would go though, unless I could park
my tent somewhere besides next to that big ol dirt clod on the 'road' 
between the two tents ;P  I dont think my poor tent has recovered from 
that one....

Anyways, im rambling.....       ~Darian~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Work like you don't need the money, 
Love like you've never been hurt, 
And dance like no one's watching    :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Its 8:25am and just got home.  I think the party was pretty cool in all
aspects.  I must give props out to the space it was nice and big enough to
hold all the kids. The net meet worked and it was huge but it could have
been better....

I did feel the love tonight.....more later.


Toby


"Yeah....I'm one of those Kindred Groovers....."

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Normally I'm someone who has a good time even if everyone says the party is 
shitty.  I can make my own vibe.

But this time around, a big FUCK YOU goes out to Floorgasm.

Doors open at 10 eh? 
I was there at 10:15. at 10:45 I went to the front of the line and asked 
the guy at the door said they'd be opening in 15 minutes. At 12:15 I asked 
again and he said De La Soul had just completed sound check and they'd be 
opening in 5 minutes. At this point I've been standing outside in the 
freezing air for 2 hours. We decided we'd come back at 1:00 when the price 
went up to $25 and if they wouldn't let us in for $20 we'd leave. Well, 
come 1:15 we drive by the place and the line was longer than when we'd 
left. It just wasn't worth it at that point. So I wasted half a tank of 
gas and got sick because of floorgasm.

l'm sorry, the promoters may start bitching about how nothing went right 
for them, as they always do, but this was pure fucking shade. 

When its that cold out you can let the kids in even if you're not done 
setting up. Its fucking cruel and unusual not too. 

Floorgasm lost a lot of potential supporters with this event.
-Dan


At 12:05 PM 2/14/99 -0500, HoUsEGiRL5@aol.com wrote: 
>I may have enjoyed the party if I had gotten inside. What was it like?


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LONG AND INCOHERREANT


personally i had a great time,get to the bingo hall and _no1_ iz there, no guy
handing out directions nothning. got the directz and made it to springfeild
after going the wrong way everytime and losing the 6 other cars we came with.
we even lost some lousville kidz somewhere and i know they got lost they didnt
have directz,info line nuthin :(  .ended up parking 3blocks away..right in
front of house #69 tho =)   we walk to the rec center and there is a massive
line stretched around both sides of this place. so we bullshit for a lil bit
and after ahalf hour i decided enough iz enough not all these headz are gettin
in and make the way to the front door, it was all 1 graceful movement when
every1 decided to say fuck a line were now a mobb.... ne way it takes prolly 2
hours to get in, im the first of my crew to get thru the doors and a fter
awhile i start seeing the rest of my kidz. Xcept for 1!!! my friend amber who
has only been to Navigate iz outside still. well they shut the doors and quit
letting people in at this point i saw kidz climbing in windows and all type of
shit to get in. finally were all in after bullshit,crying and bitch ass
cops...   once inside you ask...? total chaos, you couldnt move in the hall
way goin to the main room or to the bathroomz, i got into the main room 1 time
and it was packed nowhere to move or dance or do nething.. i spent most of the
night in the 2nd room, small and actually wasnt all that crowdd during times
and soooo many friendly kidz in there... well 4:35 rollz around and dont you
know here comes more bullshit......"every1 has 5 minutes to exit the
building!!" fuckin bullshit! fuck floorgasm fuck de la soul fuck freezing fuck
being lost fuck spending 20 damn dollars to sit in lind for 2 hours str8 up
pressed againt 4 people, not being able to move, fuck no smoking, fuck that
whole fucking thing such bullshit and then we try to get to after hours
rite.... hahahahaha   take 35 west to Xenia.. well babe 35 west goes to
eaton...35 east go'z to Xenia.. again lost... after 30mins of trying to find
the place and turning around and more bullshit and 2 different BP'z that
wouldnt let a poor lil raver boy piss in there store at 6am.. we found the xit
for the after hours and str8 up turned around and went home!! THEY WERE
CHARGIN 3$ AT THE AFTERHOURS!!!!!!!!  and they kicked us out just as De La was
gettin ready to go on or just goin on.......

Happy fuckin V day


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well that was one of the worst experiences i've had.

i showed up at the original venue at 10:30 and it was dead empty, turns
out they had to change venues at the last second. I arrived at the place
at 11:15 and there was a massive line with lotsa police around.  We figure
it wouldn't be too bad though, but then at 11:45 we hadn't moved at
all...then the people in the back just sort of rushed towards the front.
There were like 1000 people just standing out in the freezing lawn of this
place for over an hour. finally at 12:30 or so they started letting in 5
people at a time. this happened once every ten minutes, in between that
they were telling us to stop pushing..but being close was the only way we
could stay warm.  i was finally getting towards the door when all the
sudden at 1:15 they closed it and told us to go into another entrance,
which put us in the back of the line again. FUCK. after about 30 minutes
in that line they shut that door too and police came up and told everyone
to leave. then some kids started breaking the windows and shit just to get
in and get warm. i saw their crew (who had earlier shouted "you just give
me a reason to fight you") and a couple kids punching each other in the
bushes. de la soul isn't about that! wish they would have just taken our
money and let us in.

i drove by at about 4am again (on the way home from a friends) and things
were still going (doors still shut)...made me pretty bitter

at least 500 kids (that's $1000 floorgasm missed) were left to
drive home at 2am missing de la soul (who went on earlier than the flier
said...). at least i didn't have to drive 5 hours like a lot of the people
i was talkin to..also some kids were telling the authorities stuff like 
"my ride got in but now i can't, where can i go that's warm" and they
just shrugged.  i don't think it was very safe to drive without being able
to feel my feet either (got frostbyte?)

this party had the poorest organization i've ever seen. i'm never going to
support floorgasm again, that's all i can say.
-m.
http://slippy.underworld.net/


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the bullshit factor of this party is somewhere up there with ladybug 2.
that's what i was reminded of. i won't rehash the bitching that's been
done (don't wanna get too riled up) but i have a few more comments.

the vm said the space was changed from a huge warehouse to this senior
center in domesticville because of "fire codes." i' sorry, but if you're
gonna take on the responsibility of throwing a huge event, see to it that
your shit gets taken care of before the day of the event. no excuse,
people.

second: the abuse of the poeple who had been waiting in line for five
hours. the promotors were downright insulting us, tellin people in line
who wanted to pay to see de la, who had already paid to see de la, to go
fuck off, that it was our fault if they had to shut down the event. fuckin
grow up and assume the responsibility for your mistakes, don't blame the
kids that just wanna have a good time. 

and keep us informed, don't lie and make things worse. and please don't
close the doors for good without telling anyone until the cops start
arresting people. angela and i snuck round the back and slipped a twenty
to some crackhead working the door, and i'm glad my money didn't go to the
irresponsible shady ass promoters, floorgasm. i guess that's the risk you
take when partying someplace five hours away; as far as ohio goes, i think
i'll stick to ele_mental.

so soul slinger was one for too long. couldn't mix for shit. then de la
had all these sound problems....they were on for an hour, and i honestly
believe the only reason they were allowed to play is cos there woulda been
a riot if they didn't. there already was the beginnings of one outside.
inside wasn't much better. 

i could go on but i won't. i managed to enjoy myself a little, even tho we
waited in the cold longer than we were inside, and drove five hours each
each way to do it.

so i ask all promoters this in light of last night: if you're planning on
doing a big event, one you know will draw lots of people form all over,
make sure you have ther resources, the responsibility and the organization
to handle such a project. fiascos like last night are what give raving a
bad reputation. 

=jes


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Eppie wrote:

> Normally I'm someone who has a good time even if everyone says the party is
> shitty.  I can make my own vibe.
>
> But this time around, a big FUCK YOU goes out to Floorgasm.
>

I wouldn't really blame them because they got kicked out of their
original venue due to fire marshall bullshit.  Someone please explain
to me this reasoning: the fire marshall kicks them out of a bigger
venue and actually helps them find a new *smaller* venue which
is way more of a fire hazard!  I guess an I.Q. test isn't required for
a job with the fire department or the police.

Judging by the quality of the sound and lights (wow.. those were
some of the best lasers I have ever seen), this would have been a
potentially dope party had they not lost their venue (which, BTW,
was apparently *not* going to be the flea market but instead a
rather large virgin venue.)

It's really hard to throw a party around here, so cut them a little
slack.

Besides, the *worst* thing about this party was also not their
fault.  This party had one of the worst crowds I have ever seen...
bad even for Southwest Ohio.  Those obnoxious shady white
trash tweekers with no teeth from Dayton and Columbus were
out in full force at this party.  Sketchiest crowd I have seen in
a long time.  I thought there were going to be fights several times
at this party... there almost were in the line and in that damn
hallway when some tweeked out wacko starts yelling that he's
gonna set off the fire alarm.

The only good thing about this party for me was that I saw some
old friends I haven't seen in a long time.



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>at least 500 kids (that's $1000 floorgasm missed)

actually...at $20 a head that's $10,000 - and from the sound of things,
this prolly woulda completely covered the party's budget.

glad i stayed home and watched HOUSE IV (did u even know there was a house
III, let alone house IV?) on TNT.  :P



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My brother has a friend who likes rap and hip-hop music, but who is not
some psuedo-gangsta, who he wants to give a tape of electronic music to.
He wants me to make it and I agreed.  He wants me to put "only the best"
on the tape.  His friend made a similair rap tape for him.

The problem is, I cant remember what its like to be first exposed to the
music.  You know, what sounds and songs sounded good when you first heard
the music?  And I dont know if i even should put that kind of stuff on
there... (I simply refuse to put any 2 unlimited songs on there even
though, once upon a time, they did entertain)

I had planned on putting some of my favorite tracks on there; some dancy,
some not, some catchy, some complex, some light, some dark.  Thereby
giving him a complete view of what elecrtonic music is.  Techno, idm,
jungle, ambient, house, and hardcore would all make at least a cameo
appearance, in its form that I find the most pleasing.

But is this a good idea?  Should I instead focus on what he is likely to
appreciate:  lots of jungle (easiest digested by the hip-hop crowd it
seems), popular tunes, and easily understood structures.

I will convert him to the electronic side of the force.  its what I like
to do.

please advise.
adam



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talk about biting off more than you can chew!  while this tape is certainly
well-intentioned, i think most single-genre dj's find it hard to accurately
represent the last 6-8 weeks of releases in their own particular subgenre
on a single tape - let alone capture the entire world of electronic music
in 90 minutes or less!

why don't u just let him borrow some mixtapes, or tape him some...blanks
aren't that expensive - tape him 5 or 6 different mixtapes (don't u work at
untranslatable anyhoo?), from different genres, that you like.  see what he
thinks...if he comes back and says "hey man, *this* i REALLY like!" and
holds up whichever one of the tapes...turn him on to some producers/labels
or just other dj's that he might be interested in.  this would prolly be a
better approach than would the "garbage burger" idea :)



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american cheese productions, ohio USA        |  michael_614@hotmail.com
...keep tingz happy...                       |  ICQ #27890270

"happy hardcore is the best thing since a whole loaf of bread!!
 forget sliced!!"
                                           -dj phil of free art!!

"there's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line."
                                           -oscar levant

"it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
                                           -derrick carter
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On Sun, 14 Feb 1999, michael mccusty wrote:

> why don't u just let him borrow some mixtapes, or tape him some...blanks
> aren't that expensive - tape him 5 or 6 different mixtapes (don't u work at
> untranslatable anyhoo?), from different genres, that you like.  see what he
> thinks...if he comes back and says "hey man, *this* i REALLY like!" and
> holds up whichever one of the tapes...turn him on to some producers/labels
> or just other dj's that he might be interested in.  this would prolly be a
> better approach than would the "garbage burger" idea :)

Although a good solution in theory, it simply wont work out in practice.
I do not know the kid personally.  He lives 200 miles away.  I have to
finish the tape by this next weekend when my brother comes to visit me.
And a single tape is what is requested of me. 

So yes I would like to expose him to lots and lots of a large variety of
music and see what his interest is really in.  But in this case I am going
to have to go for quality over quantity.  By choosing a very good song of
each genre, I think he can get a general idea of what sounds he likes most
and my brother can guide him from there.  So is that the suggestion then?
Try to go for a variety of music instead of focusing on popular jungle and
house tunes?


adam


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Speaking of Autechre, has anyone heard of the Peel Sessions? It's a 3 track
cd that I got in advance last week. Any info would be greatly
appreciated.....
<bdw>



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In a message dated 2/14/99 3:59:53 PM Central Standard Time,
bwatson@purdue.edu writes:

<< Speaking of Autechre, has anyone heard of the Peel Sessions? It's a 3 track
 cd that I got in advance last week. Any info would be greatly
 appreciated..... >>


isnt that an old orb CD?

track two starts with a rocket taking off, and track three sounds like a water
drop right?

i only member cuz twas my first musical exLpieSrieDnce.

Christopher Renz

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  Some one handed me a pre flier last nite for RUN DMC in Cleveland on 
April 17 and actaully asked me if I was going.....all I could do was 
laugh.....it was all I could do to keep from punchin him in the face. I 
will never again go a big ass aprtie like this ever again. I should have 
learned my lesson the last time..... I guess not...but I guarentee this 
will never happen to me again.
I talked to a friend of mine whose with Floorgasam.. I pretty much told 
him to hang it up or change their name.....cause no one in there right 
mind will ever come to one of their events ever again.  all he could do 
is shrug and say I know.


 Di


>Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:17:10 -0500 (EST)
>From: jes <jes@pubnix.org>
>To: midwest bullshit <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: [mw] a misnomer: tranquility
>
>
>the bullshit factor of this party is somewhere up there with ladybug 2.
>that's what i was reminded of. i won't rehash the bitching that's been
>done (don't wanna get too riled up) but i have a few more comments.
>
>the vm said the space was changed from a huge warehouse to this senior
>center in domesticville because of "fire codes." i' sorry, but if 
you're
>gonna take on the responsibility of throwing a huge event, see to it 
that
>your shit gets taken care of before the day of the event. no excuse,
>people.
>
>second: the abuse of the poeple who had been waiting in line for five
>hours. the promotors were downright insulting us, tellin people in line
>who wanted to pay to see de la, who had already paid to see de la, to 
go
>fuck off, that it was our fault if they had to shut down the event. 
fuckin
>grow up and assume the responsibility for your mistakes, don't blame 
the
>kids that just wanna have a good time. 
>
>and keep us informed, don't lie and make things worse. and please don't
>close the doors for good without telling anyone until the cops start
>arresting people. angela and i snuck round the back and slipped a 
twenty
>to some crackhead working the door, and i'm glad my money didn't go to 
the
>irresponsible shady ass promoters, floorgasm. i guess that's the risk 
you
>take when partying someplace five hours away; as far as ohio goes, i 
think
>i'll stick to ele_mental.
>
>so soul slinger was one for too long. couldn't mix for shit. then de la
>had all these sound problems....they were on for an hour, and i 
honestly
>believe the only reason they were allowed to play is cos there woulda 
been
>a riot if they didn't. there already was the beginnings of one outside.
>inside wasn't much better. 
>
>i could go on but i won't. i managed to enjoy myself a little, even tho 
we
>waited in the cold longer than we were inside, and drove five hours 
each
>each way to do it.
>
>so i ask all promoters this in light of last night: if you're planning 
on
>doing a big event, one you know will draw lots of people form all over,
>make sure you have ther resources, the responsibility and the 
organization
>to handle such a project. fiascos like last night are what give raving 
a
>bad reputation. 
>
>=jes
>
>


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At 05:05 PM 2/14/99 EST, tHe pRiNcEsS dI wrote:
>  Some one handed me a pre flier last nite for RUN DMC in Cleveland on 
>


Ok.. what is the Deal with Hip-hop/Rap acts at parties ('raves')??????  
I refuse to go to parties whose headliners are Rap/Hip-hop  sure I'm all
for new and different things at parties however Hip-hop <> experimentalism
IMO.  If you want to see De La soul or whoever go see them on tour at a
concert or whatever. 

tad


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> So is that the suggestion then?
>Try to go for a variety of music instead of focusing on popular jungle and
>house tunes?

that's got my vote, then...tho i'm sure it will pain u.  hit him with a few
different style jungle tunes tho, since he's already into hip hop.  maybe a
couple house/SG tunes, some hardcore...i'd just avoid goa/psy trance and
faggy club house like the plague - cos i doubt he'll buy into it.

but what do i know :P



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THEY WERE
>CHARGIN 3$ AT THE AFTERHOURS!!!!!!!!

I know the kids who were doing the afterhours... they had very
little to do with floorgasm (they live in dayton). And yes, they are
shady as FUCK...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Feb 14 23:15:02 1999
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 i guess that's the risk you
>take when partying someplace five hours away; as far as ohio goes, i think
>i'll stick to ele_mental.


Floorgasm is from INDIANA, not ohio...

>so soul slinger was one for too long. couldn't mix for shit.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed this ;)...

o0o[qiB.]o0o



>i




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>I wouldn't really blame them because they got kicked out of their
>original venue due to fire marshall bullshit.  Someone please explain
>to me this reasoning: the fire marshall kicks them out of a bigger
>venue and actually helps them find a new *smaller* venue which
>is way more of a fire hazard!

It had more exits, though.. the origional space had 3.. which the
fire marshel told them ment a maximum occupancy of fifty..
yes, 50...


>It's really hard to throw a party around here, so cut them a little
>slack.


I would've, but the attitude they showed to the kids makes me
hesitant..
(read my review)..

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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Just completely unbelievable...

Ok, mistakes were made.  Logistical details left unattended.  But, still
the whole thing was fucked from any of our perspectives.  The promoters
could have been a little more forthcoming with information about what
was going on.  And, maybe they could have been nice instead of
confrontational.  Basically this was my and a lot of other people's
experience: After waiting TWO hours in the COLD, packed together with a
mob of people slowly getting more and more impatient and hostile (and,
did I mention, cold), getting to the point where we were sure that we
were imminently going to be admitted, being screamed at by the the guy
working the door, the entrance closes right in front of our faces (what
the fu..?), we are told to get in back of the new line, get in the BACK
of the new line (still in the cold with the now hostiler mob), wait a
half hour more, the doors in the new line are closed, and we have just
traveled here, waited in the cold with no information for 2.5 hours,
been yelled at by the promoters, and then turned away.  I just couldn't
believe it.  Still can't.  I mean....  Aw, forget it.

This fiasco left me just disillusioned.  I wish I had something positive
at all to say about this.  I don't.

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this was a pretty much great partie..
best detroit partie i've been to in a while..
you can read my long annoying review in the "events" section of my
website.. http://consoul.fierce.org/d-tek
check it.. thanks.  :P

-charles-


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>well that was one of the worst experiences i've had.
>


ditto on that...

>i showed up at the original venue at 10:30 and it was dead empty, turns
>out they had to change venues at the last second. I arrived at the place
>at 11:15 and there was a massive line with lotsa police around.  We figure
>it wouldn't be too bad though, but then at 11:45 we hadn't moved at
>all...then the people in the back just sort of rushed towards the front.
>There were like 1000 people just standing out in the freezing lawn of this
>place for over an hour. finally at 12:30 or so they started letting in 5
>people at a time.

Sorta, we arrived at around 11:00, and happen to have friends in
the front of the line.. we stood their for about an hour (I was 3
people from being in the fucking door), hearing what was going on..

"De la is sound checking, doors will be open in 5-10 mins".. ya, right..

we waited... and waited... it wasn't as cold as nuevo, but my toes
were hurting pretty fierce... I still had respect for this at this point,
though... the main guy at the door (fat and bald kid named matt or mike..)
had a decent humor, and sympathized with all of us...
He kept telling them to let kids in or they would fucking riot, but
nobody inside was listening... (actually, he let a large group of
kids in before he was allowed to.. I heard him getting into a
argument with roger, the main kid behind this, over his actions)..

Roger came out a few times and shouted at the kids to "shut the
fuck up"... he twitched around and told the door kid (and most of us in
front) that he would take us, beat us down if we didn't shut up..
Granted, all the chanting was only going to get the party shut down
(remember those residential houses infront of the venue ?).. but I
could have cared less, I didn't have ta pay for my ticket ;)...

Skipping ahead, they eventually told kids they had filled up (sold
out) .. I knew people from chicago who got turned away..
Inside it was a mad house, it took LITERALLY 15 mins to walk from
one room to the other (2 room party).. the small room was the best
(of course), but I wasn't in the mood for all the clubby shit they
were playing.. Getting back to the hallway situation, I saw
the promoters pushing and YELLING at kids who stopped to chat
with friends they had lost (which would have been very easy ta do)
.. then turn around (right after yelling about keeping it moving)
and start selling water in the center of the same fucking congested
mess!!! They kicked the boys out of the girls bathrooms (THAT
pissed me off... fuckers).. and .. well.. we left at around 3:16..
(we got in around 12:30) .. nobody I knew was having fun.. just
looking for shit and people they lost ...

anybody wanna give us the promoters standpoint? somebodies gotta
know roger on this list... How was the event after 3:00am?

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0

this happened once every ten minutes, in between that
>they were telling us to stop pushing..but being close was the only way we
>could stay warm.  i was finally getting towards the door when all the
>sudden at 1:15 they closed it and told us to go into another entrance,
>which put us in the back of the line again. FUCK. after about 30 minutes
>in that line they shut that door too and police came up and told everyone
>to leave. then some kids started breaking the windows and shit just to get
>in and get warm. i saw their crew (who had earlier shouted "you just give
>me a reason to fight you") and a couple kids punching each other in the
>bushes. de la soul isn't about that! wish they would have just taken our
>money and let us in.
>
>i drove by at about 4am again (on the way home from a friends) and things
>were still going (doors still shut)...made me pretty bitter
>
>at least 500 kids (that's $1000 floorgasm missed) were left to
>drive home at 2am missing de la soul (who went on earlier than the flier
>said...). at least i didn't have to drive 5 hours like a lot of the people
>i was talkin to..also some kids were telling the authorities stuff like
>"my ride got in but now i can't, where can i go that's warm" and they
>just shrugged.  i don't think it was very safe to drive without being able
>to feel my feet either (got frostbyte?)
>
>this party had the poorest organization i've ever seen. i'm never going to
>support floorgasm again, that's all i can say.
>-m.
>http://slippy.underworld.net/
>




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I need a new, decent mixer rather quickly.
I found a brand new Numark DM2002X for a damn good price.
If anyone ownes one, I'd appreciate some opinions.

Thanks in advance,

Evan B.
ElectroMedia, Ltd.

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Funny you bring this up, I have recently sweared off converting
new people, due to the fact I have evolved to much into the dark
and weird side of electronics.. Their was a time I liked people
to hear what I thought was cool, but now I listen to stuff that
would have made me cringe 6 years ago.. I have no clue what
"normal" people think of the noise I call music.. or how
assessable the shit is to them... Hell, I barely remember when I
actually thought techno was repetitive... a sentiment allot of
nonlisteners seem to share..

I think your decision to mix the tape up is damn good, I'd almost
suggest burning the kid a cd (so he could identify what he
really liked) aside from the fact cds are easier to skip around
in (i.e. he might not be forced to listen to the whole of a track)..

After he has listened to it, ask the kid which trax he liked the best,
hook him up with another tape with more of that style, get him
some party info, and you've made a convert... The party experience
will open him up ta more trax and styles... just you wait ;)..

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>Ok.. what is the Deal with Hip-hop/Rap acts at parties ('raves')??????
>I refuse to go to parties whose headliners are Rap/Hip-hop  sure I'm all
>for new and different things at parties however Hip-hop <> experimentalism
>IMO.  If you want to see De La soul or whoever go see them on tour at a
>concert or whatever.

you "refuse to go"?!?  sheesh.  the hip hop and rave scenes have been
rather closely intertwined for quite awhile...it's not really anything new.
it *is* electronic dance music, and it relies heavily on dj's and mc's,
much like "proper" rave music.  it is a culture with urban roots and strong
ties to dancing...sound familiar?

how could hip hop _not_ be appropriate at raves?  it seems natch to me :)



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 02:03:50 1999
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>isnt that an old orb CD?

peel sessions is a show on BBC radio 1...  john peel has people come in and
play on his show.  lots of punk bands or whatever have done it and now
ravey type people are doing it.  orb probably has a cd but there's a brand
new autechre one out now.  we played a couple of tracks from the cd on our
show last week.

it made me decide i should find more autechre...

chris

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>Ok.. what is the Deal with Hip-hop/Rap acts at parties ('raves')??????  
>I refuse to go to parties whose headliners are Rap/Hip-hop  sure I'm all
>for new and different things at parties however Hip-hop <> experimentalism
>IMO.  If you want to see De La soul or whoever go see them on tour at a
>concert or whatever. 

obviously house music does equal experimentalism, much more than hip hop.

when was the last time you heard anything experimental at a rave?

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In a message dated 2/14/99 8:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
michael@hardcorps.org writes:

> how could hip hop _not_ be appropriate at raves?  it seems natch to me :)

same as any style of music, it draws another crowd or people, just like jungle
and techno get different crowds... do you see much techno at hip hop parties?

personally, i think most of it is pretty boring... cept for a few... same
opinion i have on other styles... i think most is pretty boring...  as for
MCs... well... i can't stand them... if i want to hear an mc, i will go, well,
to a hip hop show... as for djs, then why can't radio djs show up and throw
down a set of top 40 easy listening? i mean, they are djs after all... or what
about high school dance djs? 

personally, i have never seen a good party with hip hop... and i have never
seen good hip hop at a party.... 

just my opinion...

now here is the part where you tell me my opinion is wrong and that i am
"wack" and etc etc etc...  then i laugh and say, um, no, you can't change my
taste on it... then you start up old dead threads then a jazz musican from san
antonio flys to your house and shows you his testicles and you stare in
amazement cause the sun, like a testicle hangs low in the february sky and you
can never remember why carbonated beverages are never as smooth, thick, and
creamy as pepto bismo... and in closing.... my toothbrush came back to me
cause it loves me, i wanna dip my balls in it

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So we showed up at like 10:30 and waited in line for about 15 minutes or 
so.  It was at the Halsted Indoor Mall which I remembered from Winter 
Wonderland.  Luckily the line moved much quicker this time as opposed to 
the bullshit at WW.  When our bag was searched they dumped out all our 
water and took the bottles which is to be expected but still sorta 
pisses me off.  I was drawn towards the Hardcore room and stayed there 
most of the time.  The other room had cool visuals, I'm not sure who did 
them, I'm pretty sure OVT, regardless they were pretty damned cool.  For 
all the hype on the flyer and VM about decor it really wasn't all that 
great, but definite effort was made. It was the typical Chicago 
security, familiar faces there and a really  nice lady workign the 
food/water counter.  Unfortunately I didn't get to enjoy the party very 
long because at about 12:00 one of my friends started freaking out and 
we had to take care of her until like 12:40 or whenever the party got 
shut down.  We didn't even make an attempt to go to a second location if 
one existed on account of my troubled friend, but I did hear some people 
talking about it.  All in all I think it could have been pretty good, it 
was nice to hear some really good (my opinion) music and having a decent 
venue after the last two parties I've been to having been held at the 
Black Hole.  The sound was clear and decent and the crowd was friendly 
if a bit subdued, but I think that would have picked up later in the  
night.  Ultimately it's a shame it shut down when it did, there were 
some good things happening.. Did anyone make it to the 2nd location.. 
was there a 2nd location??

Ethan
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In a message dated 2/14/99 4:29:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, api@snsworld.net
writes:

> Judging by the quality of the sound and lights (wow.. those were
>  some of the best lasers I have ever seen), this would have been a
>  potentially dope party had they not lost their venue (which, BTW,
>  was apparently *not* going to be the flea market but instead a
>  rather large virgin venue.)
>  
>  It's really hard to throw a party around here, so cut them a little
>  slack.

on that note yea. if they woulda had the room for every1 hell yeah this woulda
been a dope party. i know it wasnt exactly there fault but there was poor
managing thru out. i think the vibe was totallt ruined bcuz of all the
bullshit,, every was pissed and shoving but all in all i had an ok time, the
peoples i did talk to and dance with were all really happy and nice and in
good spirts.... i could go in forever about this party but i wont rite now

fuckin bullshit

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In a message dated 2/14/99 4:31:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
michael@hardcorps.org writes:

> >at least 500 kids (that's $1000 floorgasm missed)
>  
>  actually...at $20 a head that's $10,000 - and from the sound of things,
>  this prolly woulda completely covered the party's budget.
>  
>  glad i stayed home and watched HOUSE IV (did u even know there was a house
>  III, let alone house IV?) on TNT.  :P


no way fuck dat shit.. it woulda covered there expenses but i guess you didnt
see all the kidz crammed in that lil ass space.. it took me a half hour to get
into the main room which wasnt more than 20 foot away. 

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adam writes:

i say take him to a party, i dont think i would of started listening to this
muzik if i was just handedit, you have to experience it in all its bueaty and
wonder.

plur n' shit
gabe

> My brother has a friend who likes rap and hip-hop music, but who is not
>  some psuedo-gangsta, who he wants to give a tape of electronic music to.
>  He wants me to make it and I agreed.  He wants me to put "only the best"
>  on the tape.  His friend made a similair rap tape for him.
>  
>  The problem is, I cant remember what its like to be first exposed to the
>  music.  You know, what sounds and songs sounded good when you first heard
>  the music?  And I dont know if i even should put that kind of stuff on
>  there... (I simply refuse to put any 2 unlimited songs on there even
>  though, once upon a time, they did entertain)
>  
>  I had planned on putting some of my favorite tracks on there; some dancy,
>  some not, some catchy, some complex, some light, some dark.  Thereby
>  giving him a complete view of what elecrtonic music is.  Techno, idm,
>  jungle, ambient, house, and hardcore would all make at least a cameo
>  appearance, in its form that I find the most pleasing.
>  
>  But is this a good idea?  Should I instead focus on what he is likely to
>  appreciate:  lots of jungle (easiest digested by the hip-hop crowd it
>  seems), popular tunes, and easily understood structures.
>  
>  I will convert him to the electronic side of the force.  its what I like
>  to do.
>  
>  please advise.
>  adam

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Fantastic Party!
I really enjoyed myself.  I'm not a huge house head, but I really liked it.
The good vibes were thru the roof and everyone was really sweet.  I met 3
people off the list, that was super cool. =)
I had my tin lunchbox with me.  I stuck 2 glowsticks in there, and when ever I
opened it,  the tin glowed and there was always someone around who was like
"WOW!  Do that again!!"  hehe  =)
I absolutley loved the lighting, When I wasn't dancing, I was standing there
just gawking at it, Especially in the second room.  Did anyone notice that?
Shit, that was cool as hell!!  
Good Stuff-
*Meeting kids off the list.  I like being able to put faces to names.  
*The second room.  Hellllllllllloooooo JVC.  I love jungle..  That was too
rad.  The lighting, those cool things floating around the walls and stuff were
just awesome.
*Seeing friends I havent seen since NYE
*I was handing out bracelets.  The kids really really really seemed to like
them  :)  
*Nadines Pants
*Kelli's hair
*There weren't as many tweakers (that I noticed) as compared to NYE
*I really liked that space.  
*The cute costumes
* That guy with the furry blue and yellow jacket and his tiny little friend
handing out candy and cookies to the freezing cold crowd outside.

Bad Stuff-
 Lemme think...
*This girl I know from school, Missy.. I saw her screaming and being taken out
by the cops.  She was on sooo many drugs.  It was really weird for me to see
that.
*The wait outside was just unbelieveable. 2 hours??  That was COLD!  My friend
Juliette had her big furry coat-thing and was like "Everybody innn!!!"  =)
*When they did let people in, everyone hoarded and I got mashed against a
wall.  Ouch. 

Well, thats about it out of me.  I got absolutley nothing accomplished today.
I got home around 8 am, took a shower and then slept until about 4.  My best
girls came over around 5:30, we had our weekly Dawson-fest (during which I
fell asleep).  Left 3 hours later, and now, at 9:45 I sit here writing to you.
I should stop that now cause this is terribly long.
Happy Valentines day to all.

Love
Jen

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hey folks.....

This is your friendly neighborhood DJ .com "borrowing" DJ Lee's e-mail to
just remind you all of tonite's broadcast....

Set those real players to  pnm://raveradio.raver.org/ihob.ra for KYND's world
famous net show "Cracked Out Sunday"

On the show tonite will be myself, Pharoah and the
recently-burnt-by-the-Vancouver-scene Kaoss (more on that to follow).

Show runs from 11PM-2AM.  Tonite's musical selections range from hard house
to ghetto to trance to hardcore to jungle.  Please be patient with our
server.  We know of ALL the problems people are experiencing.  We will
hopefully have a dedicated server by the end of the month to make everything
run a whole lot smoother.  As always, look for us on IRC on the efnet in
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Thanx for the support...

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This was a good party.

The lighting could have been better.

The sound upstairs could have been better.

The highs in tha main could have been lower.

But the vibe.....I miss Missouri!
It was so good ta seen such a large influx of peeps from all over!!!!
I don't wanna say any names (cuz I forget) but thanks to all who
let me know they loved and missed me.

Last...who gives a fuck who played...it made me dance...and all is good.

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I had fun, just cause I got to hang out with Doug!!!  I luv you man!!!!

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  Oh and D.A.V.E. the
>Drummer gets my vote for who could be Pounding Grooves (sounds like him)
>Do we have a definite answer on that question (who is Pounding Grooves) yet
>or what?

According to Scott Richmond up at Satellite Records in NYC, it's Adam 
Beyer.

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Does anybody have any info on the rumored $3 party in Indy this weekend?
I'm trying to make plans....=]

Luis



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damn, that's really too bad that the party in ohio turned out to be such a
flop :/  a lot of my friends went and were really excited about it :/ 
kinda makes me feel bad about the great night i had, but i'll
tell you about it anyway, just cause i'm bored.
lemme tell you, lansing is the shit!!  well, not the city itself, it's
just your average state capital/college town, but these ppl know how to
party!!  =)   loved the venue, even tho i felt like i was clubbing all
night rather than at a party, but i don't mind clubs.  the people seemed
really cool (except for that one chick that kept on waving her
glowsticks in my face), didn't see any sketchy charaters at all.  music
was great (although the lineup could have been a bit more varied, it was
house and techno all night long), i danced more than at the last few
detroit parties combined, with a sprained ankle no less (which didn't
turn out to be such a bright idea, but it's ok, i had fun at the time)
security seemed to be a bit of a pain in the ass (they confiscated a bunch
of vick's inhalers, ????) but i guess that went with the clubby
atmosphere.  oh, another thing:  balloons!!!!  =D  sound was kinda
pathetic, it reminded me of the sound system in my car, blown out speakers
and all.  they couldn't turn it up very loud either, and it was really
strange being able to hear the people around you talk, but i was too busy
having a good time to pay attention to any of that  =P 
well, this isn't a very thorough review, but that was never my intention
really, i just wanted to give props to lansing and its inhabitants for
providing us with a reasonable alternative to detroit.  hope to see this
kinda thing more often.  all my love to the k-zoo kru and everybody else
that decided to say "fuck detroit" and go party with us.
my foot hurts :/
**doris**



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In a message dated 99-02-14 23:40:11 EST, csquared@zianet.com writes:

<<  Oh and D.A.V.E. the
 >Drummer gets my vote for who could be Pounding Grooves (sounds like him)
 >Do we have a definite answer on that question (who is Pounding Grooves) yet
 >or what?
 
 According to Scott Richmond up at Satellite Records in NYC, it's Adam 
 Beyer.
  >>
ya i saw somewhere that the later ones (4-6) were maybe dave the drummer, but
i saw a couple different sights claiming that 3 was prolly adam beyer, but i'm
not sure... i can't really see beyer making something like 5 or 6, the first 4
maybe especially 4 in my opinion if he decided to go in a slightly different
direction... i dunno i'd like to know who made em but oh wellz i buy all the
pg i see neway...
NNOthing

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> Anyone have any opinions on any of the following UK record labels?
>
>
> Tinrib

Lots of really good NRG trance (some might just call it hardtrance)

> Eve Records UK

Eve is my absolute favorite label.  The styles released on it are
everything trance -- acid, hard, progressive, techy, techno, funky,
etc... all but 2 of the releases (EVE 26 & 28) have been written by the
same guy (Pablo Gargano).  Grab anything on this label you can get your
hands on.

> COSHH

Everything I have heard on this label has been really hard and
abrasive.  If you've every heard Mary Jane from Memphis spin one of her
harder sets then you'd have a good ideal on it. (The basslines all seem
to sound like motorcycle engines in need of a tuneup now that I think of
it).

Mage


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---ERJONES <ERJONES@memphis.edu> wrote:
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> > Anyone have any opinions on any of the following UK record labels?
> >

> > Eve Records UK
> 

VERY VERY good label which was founded by Pablo Gargano. He also
produces and co-produces a lot of tracks on label. About a yr ago or
so Eve started another label called Telica which i personally like
better. Its stompy and hard and melodic all at the same time and VERY
VERY noisy. The man to look out for on Telica is Dave Craig.
I wanted to think if there's any more labels of this sort in UK or
Germany but there is none. These 2 labels are very unique and some
time down the road the records on those labels will be priceless so
get em while you can :)
I think i have most releases on Eve and Telica so e-mail me if your
interested in hearing something about a particular track or record I
will email you back.

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I have a new mixtape coming out soon, but if you want to get a preview
I already RA'ed the sets and put them up on my website. New tape will be
"Sugar Coated". Check the mixes and let me know whatcha think. =)

http://www.hardcorps.org/muppetfucker/real.html

http://www.hardcorps.org/muppetfucker/sugar1.ram
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>Floorgasm is from INDIANA, not ohio...
>
actully half of floorgasm is in ohio and half is in indiana

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Love Life:
-------------------
Dancers: +8 (from 1am - 3am it was pure madness)
Headliner Performance: +10 PUMP, +10 Felix da Housecat, +5 Tommy
Sunshine (I saw lots of people leave the dancefloor)
Sound: +5 (the treble was pushed too high on both systems!ack!)
Lights: +5 (the lights were uninspired, but the video was good)
Atmosphere: +6 (ghetto and perverted but UNBELIEVABLY friendly)
Location: +6 (huge, almost too big - but multilevel = more adventure!)
Vibe: +6
Bonus points: People fucking in the bathrooms -6
              Semi-friendly Police/Security officers +2
              The Ambulance had to come -10
              Nitro and Bob finally giving PUMP the "ttssst" +10

              

Total Score: 57/70
How much this party should have cost: $24.51

(1/70 = $0.43 - $30 is the most anyone will really tolerate for a party
in st. louis)

note: this is a scale of relativity and has nothing to do with the
actual cost of parties. The "how much someone will tolerate for a party"
factor is YOUR choice. THAT is where YOU, the consumer, have control!

Muchos Props to the Superstars of Love for only charging $18!!!!

_jason


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From: "Devil Girl" <dj_devilgirl_@hotmail.com>
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This was the first Huntsville, Alabama party I actually was able to 
attend. Here's the rundown:



We arrived at the space at approxiamately 11pm. Decent space, decent 
lights. The sound was really clean, but coulda used a bit more bass. 



The music: Definatley not my favorite flavors. The house was too much on 
the commercial/progressive tip. The trance was... well, trance. The 
jungle - not my bag either. But really, that's just a matter of my 
personal aesthetic, not an indictment against the quality of the tracks. 



That said, all of the djs i heard did an *excellent* job. The mixing was 
superb. 



My only gripe (besides the lack of bangin techno , heh :) was the 
lackluster performance of the tag team. From my vantage point, they did 
NOTHING that one average dj couln't do by his/her self. There was 
nothing dynamic about that duo. Anybody remember Billeebob and Paris 
from Detroit? THAT's a tag team. 



All in all, a good time was had by all. :)



Congrats to World Conspiracy on a really solid event. Keep up the good 
work.



                         Devil Girl

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 17:03:19 1999
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From: "Tammy G." <tamarama303@yahoo.com>
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I was really looking forward to this party and got even more excited
when I realized that every person I know in KC + their friends were
comming down.  We had a little pre-gathering at my place and some of
the KG crew came over to help make the 'KC massive' feel welcome :). 

I think the Superstars of Love did a great job.  Great space - plenty
of room and plenty of bathrooms, we got inside quickly, they had some
nice decorations here and there, nice laser/visuals/lights in the main
room, good sound, the "cupid" performance artist in the back corner
was a nice touch, etc.

It being a valentines party did wonders for the vibe!  Lots of people
brought stuff to share.  Thanks Laura for the blue butterfly bracelet,
and everyone else for the valentine's n' stuff.  I ran out of the
stickers I brought pretty early in the evening.  

I'm one of those people that spends most of the party talking to
people rather than dancing.  That being my nature, I usually wait
until I'm hearing something that I can't help but dance to, to really
get goin' on the dancefloor.  The only time I was really compelled to
do this was during PUMP's pa (Nitro+Edenflux).  I thought maybe it was
just me, but reading some of the other reviews on the STL-list makes
me think that I wasn't the only one who felt the music was a bit "off"
that night for some reason.

I never really bothered to find out who was on for most of the
evening.  It hurt my ears that close to the speakers (must be gettin'
old :P).  I've said it before and I'll say it again...I wish more
promoters would post their lineups - and post them in more than one
place, so people can easily find out who's spinning.  

My compliments to the Superstars!  I'm really looking forward to
hearing Terry Mullan next month!

Tammy
Kindred Groove

www.kindredgroove.com
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 17:20:58 1999
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in light of the recent raver movies post, I thought some of you might enjoy
this =)

the often imitated, never duplicated pixie


>
>In honor of the International Toy Fair currently in New York, I've come up
>with two prototype models for talking dolls.  These are the kinds of dolls
>that say something when you pull their string.  To date, "Braden-Co" has 2
>dolls in the works: "Raver Ron" and "Promoter Pauline".
>
>Here's what "Raver Ron" with his cute, little phat pants, bright green
>polyester shirt, head visor with flashing, colored lights and tiny,
>matching glow sticks has to say when his string is pulled:
>
>"It's all good"
>"$2.50 for bottled water?"
>"Right on!"
>"Where's the afterparty?"
>"I'm down with that!"
>"This party's too shady"
>"It's all about the love"
>"Want some candy?"
>
>"Promoter Pauline", on the other hand, looks like a club kid holdover from
>the early 90's.  When her string is pulled, she says one of the following:
>
>"100% virgin space!"
>"ROAR"
>"He was double booked, I swear!"
>"Did you call the info line?"
>"Back in the day ..."
>"Music?  They only come for the drugs!"
>"They didn't guest list me, so why should I guest list them?"
>
>If sales are strong enough, other dolls on the drawing board include:
>
>"Phat Phil"
>"Thad the Thug"
>"E-laine"
>"Vinny the Venue Owner"
>"SmartBar Sally"
>and, of course, "Crystal"
>
>Cheers,
>
>Braden
>


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I think your assesment of what St. Louis will tolerate for a party is
too high.  David Alter, one of the SOL, told me a few months ago that
they would "never charge more than $20 for a party again" because he's
realized that's not what the scene here wants.  

I think the last time there was a $30 party here was NYE '98 - over 14
months ago.  The trend recently has been the $10 or less parties
thrown by us (Kindred Groove), Familar Faces, and Bionic.  There's a
new promoter Shawn (forget his prod. co name) that's throwing a nice
$10 party next month.

You could probably get away with charging $25 - IF the lineup was
right.  Even then, your scale works out well, the party was worth
$21.66 but they only charged $18.00.

Tammy
Kindred Groove, St. Louis

---Jason Schroeder <jasons@dlab.com> wrote:
> Total Score: 57/70
> How much this party should have cost: $24.51
> 
> (1/70 = $0.43 - $30 is the most anyone will really tolerate for a
party
> in st. louis)
> 
> note: this is a scale of relativity and has nothing to do with the
> actual cost of parties. The "how much someone will tolerate for a
party"
> factor is YOUR choice. THAT is where YOU, the consumer, have control!

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...you can count one gay-ver here!...

Zach Rieken
University of Missouri-Columbia
c670109@showme.missouri.edu

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Midwest Boyy wrote:

> So theres 1 gay person on here? hmmmm that seems a little low for this 
> list
> - Midwest_boyy@hotmail.com
> 
> 
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I am looking for phone/fax numbers and e-mail addresses (if available) for
the following labels:

Cajual Records (Chicago)
ESP SUN (NYC?)
TWISTED AMERICA
AQUA BOOGIE Recordings (California?)
FUNKIN' FLORIDA'
KNIGHT LIFE RECORDINGS

Also, if anyone has catalogues of releses for the aforementioned labels, I
would also be very appreciative.

Thanks in advance - please reply PRIVATELY!


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 18:48:27 1999
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if someone had mailed me over the weekend (i doubt it, but...),
your mail was probably bounced back because my account was full
(due to certain .exe files sitting in my mail), so mail me again.

having only 37 new mails was indeed refreshing.
...did i miss anything juicy? :>
 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 19:13:39 1999
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for all of those whoz spirts werwe ruined this weekend, please give dayton one
mre chance on Feb 27th. ILLUMINATORS brings you

Soulphuzin  with:
esp woddy mcbride
terry mullen
paul birken aka boboflux aka land of the lost
sleepy c vs kevin cunningham
kevy kev
doughboy
matt freeman
nauti groove
divine
cadenz
trepp
arash
mike donovan
ali obvious

cost iz 20$ pre sale locations will be released closer to event date on main
and supporting info lines.

main info
937-586-9230

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last week's city pages had an article on lost in translation
and they even mentioned our own substance p! they should do
an article on brett. they can call it..."PAIN reliever"

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 19:27:19 1999
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i've got a quiz over fucking chaucer in 15 minutes. i take classes in
which i read long-winded english male writers and fulfill silly attendance
requirements which may prevent me from doing fun things like going to the
WMC the week before my spring break. 

bah.

i had a whole lot of fun at lovelife this weekend, in spite of the fact
that tommie 'no one knows i'm a lesbian' sunshine spun electro breaks AND
led zeppelin. i hate electro breaks. i must have been having fun, because
i danced a lot [between talking shit on the music i was dancing to] to
those fucking cheesy tracks. 

that said, tommie has the best outfits i've ever seen a dj wear. 

PUMP rocked. hard. if you get a chance to see them, they've got, well,
more.

there were points throughout the night that revealed the weakness of the
sound system ... the upper mids and highs were distorted by any and all
vocals, and by the shear complexity of certain tracks, especially coming
from PUMP and Felix. my ears were ringing the next day, which is a sign of
a harsh sound system. 

but i complain too much. i had a blast. seriously. there were even a fair
number of randoms there, which always makes things fun. and some
curly-haired open-blue-silk-shirted mid-twenties narc asking me if i knew
where he could get any 'ecstacy' at 4:30am. i told him i was andrew and
that he was a crackhead.

much love to tammy and john.

andrew


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out this week on the louipimps label is a new full-length CD of nonstop
original trance, house, and techno tracks from Radianation. This release is
titled "don't wake up from my dream..." - subtitled "live pa" ... Order it
online at http://www.louipimps.com or pick it up at an event in the
upcomming weeks. This release will sell for around $8.00 ...

- Radianation


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>I am looking for phone/fax numbers and e-mail addresses (if available) for
>the following labels:
>
>Cajual Records (Chicago)

i thought someone told be cajual/relief went outta bizness?



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 19:54:37 1999
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Ok wut can i say...his new tapes just rawks..from the minute u start
listenin to it u do not wanna stop smilin and dancin...Great track
section...and the sample of Degeneration X on the second side is the
greatest :) can't wait till the actual tape comes out..everyone needs to
check it out on the page tho...

JaMeS


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At 02:57 PM 2/15/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>I am looking for phone/fax numbers and e-mail addresses (if available) for
>>the following labels:
>>
>>Cajual Records (Chicago)
>
>i thought someone told be cajual/relief went outta bizness?
>

it did :)


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>>If sales are strong enough, other dolls on the drawing board include:
>>
>>"Phat Phil"
>>"Thad the Thug"
>>"E-laine"
>>"Vinny the Venue Owner"
>>"SmartBar Sally"
>>and, of course, "Crystal"
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Braden
>>
>


Thers is going to be a doll named after me?!?!?!  YAY!!!

Crystal
>


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I wonder if any of you here are gang bangers..or how do the rave 
community see gangs?! I have heard about local NYC gangs
that preyed on ravers specifically..would anybody give me more 
info about gangs and raves?!!?I think gangs are great, but I wouldnt 
join one because I have a future ahead of me..any thoughts?!?!

L.M

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Gangs are great???@!!!!   Whut the.....
Yeah, guns, violence, narrow-mindedness, and drugs are GRRRRRREAT!!!  R U
serious???
Hoping not
willebear
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I wonder if any of you here are gang bangers..or how do the rave
community see gangs?! I have heard about local NYC gangs
that preyed on ravers specifically..would anybody give me more
info about gangs and raves?!!?I think gangs are great, but I wouldnt
join one because I have a future ahead of me..any thoughts?!?!

L.M


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 21:18:27 1999
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In a message dated 2/15/99 2:53:42 PM Central Standard Time, 
> ?I think gangs are great, but I wouldnt 
>  join one because I have a future ahead of me..any thoughts?!?!
>  

What kind of sicko are you?  You think gangs are great?!?  If you're not
joking, then you're one screwed up little kid.  As for gangs in Chicago...
there were a couple clicks who were shady drug dealers, but they hang out
mostly in Indiana.  I havn't seen them around in a long time though.  I know
about NY and the gangs who prey on raves, but thank god Chicago keeps it candy
enough to scare them away.
Later peeps
Lisa
:)~*


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> I know
> about NY and the gangs who prey on raves, but thank god Chicago keeps it candy
> enough to scare them away.

aren't little candyravers exactly the kids of people they prey on?


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Feb 15 21:25:39 1999
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i was thinking of posting to see if anyone here has played with it yet too.
you can find them for under $200, depending on where you shop.

anyone who has had a chance to actualy use it, please write back.

this is a short review that was in URB Mag a few months ago on the Numark
DM2002X:

Though undeniably one of the top names in the world of disc jockey equipment,
recent years have seen Numark slip from the forefront of DJ mixers.  Other
manufacturers have stepped up with farious new devices and technology, while
Numark seemed to gradually fade out from the wax-spinning mental mix.  Just
when it seemed like the dopest Numark around was the DJ who hangs out with Cut
Chemist, vinylmonkeys are treated to the DM2002X Pro Master Mic- a completely
new desgin loaded with tricknology features at a competitive price.  (it has
been seen advertised as low as $169).
The scratch-DJ turntablist-friendly features such as the crossfader reverse
switch (aka Hamster style) and buttery smooth, replaceable faders, as seen on
the popular though expensive Vestax 05 and 06 Pros, are also on the much
cheaper DM2002X.  Other details include individual kill switches and gain
controls for bass, middle and treble on each channel, very useful for creative
spinners who likes to play around in a mix, pulling back on the bass or
quieting down the hi-hats.  There's also five line inputs, three for phono,
and transform buttons for the main 2 channels.

-end of review






have a nice day, 
~n








     where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are sm:)es

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How do we see gangs?  I suppose I really can't speak for everyone, but I
figure my voice is a start...:  I look at them like most self-respecting
future minded students, like they are just a sociological exit for some
people... in a less candy coated manner, it is a destructive way to put an end
to individualism and respect for society.  Although I have been associated
with some gang members in my past, I never retained that much respect for
them... I don't want that kind of mentality coming into a 'scene' that brings
me love and support from stangers (grin).. that would be defeting the
purpose...ugh!  Hope I didn't ramble too much...as for the gangs preying upon
ravers... it is really sick when bands of people choose to pick on another
group when it is obviously out of jealousy.... get real, gangs suck.

Suzi

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On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 Lincoln001@aol.com wrote:

I don't think that it's jealousy so much as territoriality.  Ravers come 
into their neighborhoods, occupy warehouses (well, not as often as they 
used to) and other night-time-related city spots.  I guess from their 
perspective I'd be pissed off too.  Especially since so often when a 
party happens someplace *so* many people are utterly clueless as to the 
social situation they're immersing themselves in for six+ hours.  If 
you're hanging out in an area that looks like a war-zone it probably is 
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How do we see gangs?  I suppose I really can't speak for everyone, but I
figure my voice is a start...:  I look at them like most self-respecting
future minded students, like they are just a sociological exit for some
people... in a less candy coated manner, it is a destructive way to put an end
to individualism and respect for society.  Although I have been associated
with some gang members in my past, I never retained that much respect for
them... I don't want that kind of mentality coming into a 'scene' that brings
me love and support from stangers (grin).. that would be defeting the
purpose...ugh!  Hope I didn't ramble too much...as for the gangs preying upon
ravers... it is really sick when bands of people choose to pick on another
group when it is obviously out of jealousy.... get real, gangs suck.

Suzi

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> >  I know
>  > about NY and the gangs who prey on raves, but thank god Chicago keeps it 
> >  candy
>  > enough to scare them away.
>  
>  aren't little candyravers exactly the kids of people they prey on?

Yeah, but the gangs prey on Anybody in NY... stealing record crates, lighting,
whatever.  But in NY more people make fun of Candy kids then Chicago does.  I
think the fact that gangbangers stick out more at a party in Chicago is part
of the reason the don't go to raves as much.  Maybe they feel outnumbered or
something.  Also, there's no hoochie mommas :-)  Hopefully it will stay that
way.  I also knew a guy from San Francisco that had a couple gang banger guys
come up to him at a party.  He thought they were looking for trouble, but they
just told him how cool they thought the rave was because everyone was so
friendly. :)  They wern't used to it I guess.  Raves changing society?
Opening people's minds to be more accepting and kind?  A movement for love?
NAH.... ;)  that's a raver pipe dream right???? right???  yeah right...
**Kisses**
Lisa

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Chicago's PURE Pleasure Experience presents...

"The Force"

Saturday May 22, 1999

312.409.PURE

Full Scale, Themed Event to take place in the Chicago Area!

DJs and Live P.A.s to be announced soon

Red & Silver teaser fliers out now.



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during my delete key rush  [400+ messages -- eek!]  i seem to have 
missed the announcement of the exact date of the net party.  if someone 
could enlighten me, id be grateful.

thanks!


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 Steven White <steve@barkingcat.org> wrote:

>If you're hanging out in an area that looks like a war-zone it probably is
>one.  And act accordingly not bringing attention to yourself.

Yeah,  I've got two different sets of clothing depending on the "war-zone
or not war-zone"  location of the party.  My "war-zone" attire consists of
standard military issue BDU's in the urban/night camo scheme. I wear
standard issue combat boots, to protect against broken glass, spike traps,
etc.  I wear a military issue balistic vest, made from carbon fiber and
kevlar to protect  against the random pot shots you may be exposed to  in
such a situation.   My helmet is also made from similar materials.   For a
sidearm, I use a Glock 18 in the 9mm caliber.  The Glock 18 is a special
issue weapon, only available to police, millitary, and
HARDCORE-motherfuckin_RAVERS.  It features a special 30 round magazine and
is capable of fully automatic modes of firing.  This weapon features an
"aimpoint" style sight with a large reticle that doesn't  project a red dot
like the more popular style of laser sights.  For this weapon, I carry 5
extra magazines of ammunition on my combat webbing.  My primary weapon is
the German made H & K  Mp5 submachine gun.  This is also in the 9mm
caliber.  A very compact weapon, it is ideally suited for urban warfare.
This weapon features a laser sight that projects a dot that is only visible
to those wearing special night vision goggles that I have attached to my
helmet. I can also switch the laser to 'entertainment mode'  In this mode,
the laser becomes capable of displaying the full visible spectrum and can
be programed like a standard entertainment laser found at raves.   This
system also features a remote camera system that allows me to see through
my right eye wherever the weapon is pointed.  This way, I can aim
accurately around corners without exposing myself to the line of enemy
fire.  For this system, I carry 30 extra magazines of 50 rounds each.  Both
of my weapons fitted with a sound suppression system that relies on a
silencer and special sub-sonic ammunition that doesn't break the sound
barrier.  I also carry 5 smoke grenades, 5 stun grenades, and 5 glitter
grenades.  In my backpack, I carry the standard issue Vicks vapor rub
container, sparklers, candy, water, sunglasses, etc.  I also have a
military issue "Drug, Administer, Unit".  This device can administer 50
hits of acid per second, 30 pills of E per second, 2.5 grams of glass per
second, 20 caps of GHB per second, 1.5 grams of K per second, and 10 caps
of psychedelic mushrooms per second.  This is also switchable on the fly
for multi-drug consumption.

	As you can see, raving in a war-zone is completely safe, as long as
you have the right equipment.  Anyone can acquire this equipment at
Cynthesasia in Minneapolis since they have recently expanded their store to
cater to the expanding group of 'adventure-ravers' that are becoming more
predominant due to the decline of the 'candy-raver' population, due to
excess predation by gangs, etc.  Don't become prey!  Visit Cynthestasia now!





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.    >
                                               <randomly stimulating>
		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >



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Hey everyone...

just wanted to let you know that I've posted the final flyer and information
for the dubtribe event up on my website at:

http://www.strangeloop.nu

and don't forget hometown.heroes.1.0 on Feb. 27. only $6!


-----

short.review...

LoveLife was great!!! A true return to form for the Superstars of Love. I only
wish that I didn't have to be selling tapes all night, so I could've danced
some. very friendly crowd, and I got to meet _tons_ of people!! PUMP!'s live
set was wonderful!

----

NRR: Anyone wishing to partake in a 3 week yoga retreat to the beautiful
island of Bali this summer, please get in touch!


j-Sun
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hometown.heroes.1.0: February 27, 1999, Louisville
An Evening with Dubtribe: March 26, 1999, Louisville
Interstellar DreamFest: Summer 1999
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 I know them too!!! Hell yea they are!!!



>From: "\[.v/jek.\]" <fmsci@email.msn.com>
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>
>THEY WERE
>>CHARGIN 3$ AT THE AFTERHOURS!!!!!!!!
>
>I know the kids who were doing the afterhours... they had very
>little to do with floorgasm (they live in dayton). And yes, they are
>shady as FUCK...
>
>o0o[qiB.]o0o
>
>
>
>


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So my cousin emails me today to tell me the 'boys' in my hometown
liked what I said in the Feb. issue of Playboy.  :)

Hmmm, so, last November my boy Jeremy showed me an article that
gave 'instructions' on how to be a raver...what clothes to wear, what 
drugs to take...blah..blah..blah...well, it pissed me off so I emailed
them with a sarcastic little ditty that I guess they published in the Dear 
Playboy section of the Feb issue.  Can anyone back me up here or
did my cousin get the wrong Darian ;P  At any rate, if anyone could
forward it (if its there) itd like to see it :)

Peace~       Darian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Work like you don't need the money, 
Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching   :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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> what the hell is creative about getting naked? Haven't we all been doing 
>  that at least once a day since we were born?

where have YOU ever seen raver porn before?

that's where the creative aspect is.  he's doing something that hasn't been
done before, as far as i know.

and i totally support it!  more naked ravers!

whooooooo!  adultcheck represent!
jd

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> let me just add that battling isn't something jungle djs usually do, unless
>  they're from LA and think they're some sort of badass.

you wanna battle?  you must be CRAZY!

i think danny would win too... but then again, i haven't been exposed to as
much of the vish as i would like.  danny has the scratching down, the beat
juggling is pretty good, he throws a lot of hip hop into the mix.  really, it
would all depend on if they were restricted to strictly jungle or not.  either
way, i guess i think danny would still win.  have i been redundant enough yet?

jd

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<rant>

i wasnt going to post on this party because id hate to make this chain =
any longer but im infuriated and have a few things to say=20

first off, how you can possibly find in yourselves the capacity to blame =
floorgasm for this is beyond me
they had  nice yet incredibly dirty and very large space which they lost =
to the fire marshal at 7:00 pm so in all honesty i think you should ll =
be impressed that the party even happened, its a pain in the fuckin ass =
to find a space for a party let alone  space on 3 hours notice
as far as de la sol and their sound check well maybe if the limo driver =
had gotten them to the space on time then you guys wouldnt have been out =
in the cold so fucken long

i have been pissed at raver s a whole on many an occasion in my time in =
the scene but never as much as i am now, you walk round preaching your =
PLUR bullshit then you act like this :=20

at around midnight i went outside to see how large the crowd waiting =
outside was upon which time i got to see the crowd rush the door =
chanting let us in let us in, now i understand why you wanted inside and =
i feel ya on that part but in the process you guys managed to cause harm =
to others

think bout your PLUR bullshit and then think about my friend harv who =
you guys in the process of your little tirade broke her hands in two =
places, you acted like a bunch of redneck jack asses at a rolling stones =
concert

i understand your opinions of floorgasm trying to just make money, but =
they did do it for the kids, otherwise we wouldnt have been sneaking =
kids in the back door all fuckin night even after the cops told us theyd =
shut it down if we let anyone in=20

</rant>

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a friend of mine was telling me yesterday about a trip she took to new
york to visit some friends, and
how different the party scene is there. especially in new york, but in
jersey to a large extent too, the bts crew (or JB's, "junior baggers" in
jersey) 
controls pretty much
everything, from throwing a lot of the parties (i get the impression that
they're pretty much involved in every party/club) to--especially--selling
the drugs. they started out going to clubs just to rob people but then
they found out about the drugs and starting banking on that.
 she said that to
wander away from the protection of your crew in a club
is basically asking to get robbed, and if you're not part of bts and you
sell drugs on "their turf" you'll probably get beat and robbed, that's if
you're
lucky. they're not exactly what i think of when i think of a gang, like
they don't do drive-bys or kill
anyone, but they're very territorial and if you wrong them, pay back is a
bitch. they even have signs they flash each other with their hands.

i guess a bunch of bts kids, including the head guy, sold themselves out
pretty hardcore  and let details magazine do an article on them, if anyone
is interested. i read it a long time ago when it first came out, but i
can't remember the exact month of the article. it was about 6 months
ago.

hopefully they won't come to chicago --or anyplace else in the midwest,
but chi-town seems like the most likely place they'd end up. if they do,
party kids here are pretty much sitting ducks for them. if you're going to
rob somebody, what better place than a big dark warehouse with about 1000
suburban white kids fucked up out of their heads, half of them probably
carrying mad drugs and cash? (hope i didn't give anyone any ideas...)

on a side note about the net party, this is a shout out to all the TECHNO
DJ's on this list to bring your records to this party!! since i live with
peter and miked, and i somehow allowed them to bribe me into inviting all
you crazy people into our house, ;) at least i want to hear as much
techno
as possible! hard techno, minimal techno, techhouse, slow techno, fast
techno, old school, new school, as long as it's techno and you think it
sounds nice, please bring it! i think another good idea is, (i don't
ever read mail from this list, so i don't know if this has been addressed 
already)
if 
people have drums, you should bring them too.
 
one more thing, my kitty, aphex, will be turning 7 months old
in march and he really likes presents like cat nip to sniff and cheeba for
his
mama to smoke ;), so don't
forget about him when planning your trip. don't call him a she when you're
here either, because he's a boy! that last one goes for my entire fuzzy 
family
of cats, dogs, bunnies, and roommates...sorry to blow the surprise, but 
this party is actually being held in a mini petting zoo! there will be an
additional charge if you want to pet peter.

later kids, steer clear of the big bad bts monster...

xoxox ooooooh yeah,
rebecca.

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pretty cool.

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Subject: Thanks to the Lansing/Detroit kids

My fellow party goers,

 My name is Jeremy, and I just wanted to drop a huge thanks to my
people, wherever they are from, who make going to Detroit and Lansing
parties such a great experience.  I am in a wheelchair and some of you
may know who I am.  At the parties I go to, it is you that make it so
worthwhile.  Saturday I went to the valentine's party here in Lansing
and my many friends came through in a big way once again.  When I needed
help getting my wheelchair into and out of my friend's truck and also
getting up and down the steps at the after party, you were more than
willing to do all you could.  While at the parties, you tell me how good
it is to see me and how it makes you happy that I'm there having fun
just like everyone else, this is why I keep going.  The people I see and
the new ones I meet never cease to amaze me.  You make me feel at home
and a part of that great community that is the party.  So thanks to
everyone and I'll see you at the next one.  PLUR

Jeremy



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In a message dated 2/15/99 2:47:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu writes:

> Then, I called there info line and they said to those who still had there
>  bracelets, they would make it up to us.  BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!

really? more info plzzz  o yea did ne1 else notice they spelled tranqulity
qrong on the braclets?

looks for braclet
Gabe

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grrr, please, keep in mind that i didn't write this...it didn't make it to
the list because it was an html message and iremember  someone wanted the
other side of the story (or something).

i wasn't there.

Chad

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the ssubject now is SEX!Thats a wide subject what do you people think of it ?




~Tom ~

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did anyone go to Tranquility?

how was it?

jd

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>I had fun, just cause I got to hang out with Doug!!!  I luv you 
>man!!!!

Quit it!!!!
I'm blushing again!

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>the ssubject now is SEX!Thats a wide subject what do you people think 
>of it ?

See last post........

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PORNOPORNOPORNOPORNOPORNOPORNOPORNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like PORNO!!!!!

I love PORNO!!!!!

PORNO is my friend!!!!

And now...back to our regularly scheduled complaining.

>and i totally support it!  more naked ravers!
>
>whooooooo!  adultcheck represent!
>jd
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>first off, how you can possibly find in yourselves the capacity to blame =
>floorgasm for this is beyond me

umm, excuse me?  bottom line:  floorgasm failed to meet their
responsibilities as a production company.  therefore, the blame for this
fiasco rests squarely on their shoulders alone.

>they had  nice yet incredibly dirty and very large space which they lost =
>to the fire marshal at 7:00 pm

all permits, etc should have been in place weeks before the date of the
party.  if you wait until the 11th hour, you get what you deserve.
lamentably, it doesn't stop there.  because everyone who actually showed up
to support your stinkin ass gets what you deserve, too.

>so in all honesty i think you should ll =
>be impressed that the party even happened, its a pain in the fuckin ass =
>to find a space for a party let alone  space on 3 hours notice

impressed?  *lol*  if it is too much of a pain in the ass for someone to
find a space, that person should not be throwing raves.  we, as consumers,
don't wanna hear bitching and moaning from the promoter.  have your space
and at _least_ one backup sorted out *well* in advance.  i'm talking,
before your flyers even go to press.  or don't produce parties!  it's that
simple - if you are going about this shit half-assed, you shouldn't be
going about it at all.

anyone who wonders why the midwest rave scene is such a crock of shit,
check out who is throwing the bulk of the parties!  stupid raver kids who
think that if they can drop out of high school, steal from their parents,
and sling bunk crystal...then organizing an event involving tens or
hundreds of thousands of dollars must be a breeze!  if you look at any
healthy rave scene worldwide (toronto, london, etc) you will see
RESPONSIBLE BUSINESSPEOPLE are doing the events.  look at production teams
like hullabaloo, syrous, dose, slammin vinyl, helter skelter, dreamscape,
and united dance - just to name a few.  this is how it should be done.
recognize.



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 forget sliced!!"
                                           -dj phil of free art!!

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                                           -oscar levant

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                                           -derrick carter
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 01:46:55 1999
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>> I wonder if any of you here are gang bangers..or how do the rave 
community see gangs?! I have heard about local NYC gangs
that preyed on ravers specifically..would anybody give me more 
info about gangs and raves?!!?I think gangs are great, but I wouldnt 
join one because I have a future ahead of me..any thoughts?!?!  <<

obviously another attempt to start another long and unending thread... =p  

there is a real difference tho between what most of the general populace deems
as the ghetto raver...  couple of clues

1.  ex-gang member turned raver -  you aren't going to notice them... except
if you know what to look for... cuz honestly every one of these i know doesn't
really want to remember the bullshit they had to do to survive in their
neighborhood.  

2.  stupid whigged out white kids from the suburbs cocking hat to the left in
order to make nasal passages more accessable to k and meth:  characterized by
end their phrases with the word yo... (FOOTNOTE:  Since today the 15th is my
25th birthday... and i've been in the 'hip hop' scene for 15 years now... i've
never heard anyone in their right fucking mind use the phrase yo at the END of
a phrase... neither do i hear it from any self respecting human being
nowadays.)  ever notice that K might be a mutagen creating a race of web
footed ninja turtles trying to get out of the sewer of their own mundane
existance... one fractured in half by popular culture and playstation.  I've
always said... take a zombie with an open head and fill it with shit... bam...
can we say trash... oscar the grouch ravers...

3.  the "i'ma junglist, i don't need baggy pants" raver.  get me some cargo
and some echo... and whoo hah... i heard optical's new dubplate on real
fucking audio... and even though you and i are the same age... i'm older than
i have to be.

etcera. etcera. etcera.

we're all ghetto.

entro.

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darian wrote:
>So my cousin emails me today to tell me the 'boys' in my hometown
>liked what I said in the Feb. issue of Playboy.  :)
>
>Hmmm, so, last November my boy Jeremy showed me an article that
>gave 'instructions' on how to be a raver...what clothes to wear, what 
>drugs to take...blah..blah..blah...well, it pissed me off so I emailed
>them with a sarcastic little ditty that I guess they published in the Dear 
>Playboy section of the Feb issue.  Can anyone back me up here or
>did my cousin get the wrong Darian ;P  At any rate, if anyone could
>forward it (if its there) itd like to see it :)

i'll field this question 'cause i work at playboy in the archives so i hafta
find stuff in old issues all the time...

and yes, you're in the feb. dear playboy section (p.11).  here it is as it
appears in the magazine:

"No Rants, Just Raves

As a raver, I'd like to thank you for including instructions on how to be
one in After Hours ("Land Ravers," November).  Now that you've armed me with
drug-related lingo and fashion advice, I'll have things besides great music
to discuss at my next rave.

Darian Nagle
Iowa City, Iowa"

but raves must really be getting trendy if they're showing up in playboy...
the march centerfold is even posed with turntables... maybe she's a dj. ha!!

always sarcastic,
laura!
saffron@earthlink.net

eat television for dinner.
you said backwards is we

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ok, this came over happyusa, so i know some of you have already seen it.
but it made me LOL way too many times to not forward it.  sounds very
carlin-esque to me.  enjoy :)


>TEN THINGS THAT PISS ME OFF
>> > > >
>1.  People that point to their wrist while asking for the
>time. I know where my watch is buddy, where the fuck is yours?  Do I
>point at my crotch when I ask where the bathroom is?
>> > > >
>2.  The Pillsbury dough boy is way too happy considering he has no dick.
>> > > >
>3.  People who are willing to get off their ass to search the entire
>room for the TV remote because they refuse to walk to the TV and change
>the channel manually.
>> > > >
>4.  When people say "Oh you just want to have your cake and eat it,
>too."Fuck off. What good is a goddamn cake you can't eat? What, should
>I eat? Someone else's cake instead?
>> > > >
>5.  When people say, while watching a movie "Did you see that?" No
>dicknose, I paid $7.50 to come to the theater and stare at the
>fricken ceiling up. What did you come here for?
>> > > >
>6.  When people say "It's always in the last place you look."  Of course
>it is.  Why the fuck would you keep looking after you've found it? Do
>people do this?  Who and where are they?
>> > > >
>7.  The radio ads "Hi, I"m Jeff Healey from the Jeff Healey Band. Don't
>drink and drive. I don't."  Well, I hope you don't drive sober either,
>Mr. Healey. You're blind for God's sake!
>> > > >
>8. People who ask "Can I ask you a question?"  Didn't really give me a
>choice, did ya there buddy?
>> > > >
>9. When something is "new and improved," which is it? If it's new then
>there has never been anything before it.  It it's an improvement, then
>there must have been something before it.
>> > > >
>10. When a cop pulls you over and then asks if you know how fast you
>were going?  You should know asshole, you fucking pulled me over!
>
>
>
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...keep tingz happy...                       |  ICQ #27890270

"happy hardcore is the best thing since a whole loaf of bread!!
 forget sliced!!"
                                           -dj phil of free art!!

"there's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line."
                                           -oscar levant

"it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
                                           -derrick carter
****************************************************************************



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In a message dated 2/14/99 1:11:46 PM Central Standard Time, GNM3744@aol.com
writes:

<<  take 35 west to Xenia.. well babe 35 west goes to
 eaton...35 east go'z to Xenia.. again lost... after 30mins of trying to find
 the place and turning around and more bullshit and 2 different BP'z that
 wouldnt let a poor lil raver boy piss in there store at 6am.. we found the
xit
 for the after hours and str8 up turned around and went home!! THEY WERE
 CHARGIN 3$ AT THE AFTERHOURS!!!! >>

my gerl ellie was the one throwing the afterhours and she didnt have ANYTHING
to do with the party...she was worried about making her money back on the
afterhours since she had to spend her own money renting the place out and
paying the djs and all....
she accidentally gave the wrong directions (saying that it was to the west
instead of the east....she later changed the voicemail on it....) (i was there
when she was doing the voicemail....=P)

floorgasm*...okie...my thoughts....considering the fact that they had to book
a location at the last minute they did okie....better than not having a space
at all....
de la soul...granted they didnt get to go on for long....but they were
aiight...

the cops suckt azz tho....they had on full riot gear and were going to raid
the place if need be...they were tellin us that if we didnt get the people out
the doors asap that they would enter in and physically remove
people....despite telling people that, a lot of kids just didnt take the
fukkin hint....im sorry but i was trying to help chase people out the fukkin
door myself and idiots just wouldnt listen....too deep in their damn k holes
to give a shit....

you got to understand that roger was going to get into some shit if all those
motherfukkerz didnt get out....as would a lot of other people who thought it
was a joke...there were cops all over the place and they didnt find any humor
in a buncha drugged out kids roaming aimlessly around a subdivision...,,

yes the place was overcrowded and people were bitchin bout not gettin
in...well...they couldnt let any more in due to firecodes...they were letting
people in and out for cigarette smoking at least....

some idiot was lettin kids in for 5$ a head at one of the side doors...another
guy was charging 30$ at one door....geeezus....security was being shady...but
trust me this was unbeknownst to the promoter...i think he was RATHER upset
about both incidences....

there were just an abundance of problems...space girl got there...but the
sound people failed to bring all the equipment she needed to have for her
PA....which everyone was scrambling around looking for at the last minute
too....

de la soul required a 4 hr sound check and wouldnt go on without one...but
they didnt bother to tell anyone until 9pm...they finally went on later....

but yo...the afterhours rawkt...was much fun...roll-x kikt much ass...as did
RPD....perry ellis threw down an excellent set as well....got to meet a buncha
kids....had fun..drank champagne...acted a fool.....it was great....had more
fun there than i did at the actual party...

i guess i was expecting too much from tranquility anyway....i was expecting it
to go off in a major way...but the afterparty which i expected nothing out
of....i had a GREAT time at.....so what if i had to pay $3 to get in? i ended
up donatin a lil bit more to it so the girlie would make her money back
yo....fukkit....

sorry i just see things differently than ya all....shit happens ya know...

peeeSh
lauryN*

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hi!  i was just wondering are there any other gay gang bangers out there?!?

i know i must not be the only one!!!

****PLUR****



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>In a message dated 2/14/99 1:11:46 PM Central Standard Time, 
GNM3744@aol.com
>writes:
>
><<  take 35 west to Xenia.. well babe 35 west goes to
> eaton...35 east go'z to Xenia.. again lost... after 30mins of trying 
to find
> the place and turning around and more bullshit and 2 different BP'z 
that
> wouldnt let a poor lil raver boy piss in there store at 6am.. we found 
the
>xit
> for the after hours and str8 up turned around and went home!! THEY 
WERE
> CHARGIN 3$ AT THE AFTERHOURS!!!! >>
>
>my gerl ellie was the one throwing the afterhours and she didnt have 
ANYTHING
>to do with the party...she was worried about making her money back on 
the
>afterhours since she had to spend her own money renting the place out 
and
>paying the djs and all....
>she accidentally gave the wrong directions (saying that it was to the 
west
>instead of the east....she later changed the voicemail on it....) (i 
was there
>when she was doing the voicemail....=P)
>
>floorgasm*...okie...my thoughts....considering the fact that they had 
to book
>a location at the last minute they did okie....better than not having a 
space
>at all....
>de la soul...granted they didnt get to go on for long....but they were
>aiight...
>
>the cops suckt azz tho....they had on full riot gear and were going to 
raid
>the place if need be...they were tellin us that if we didnt get the 
people out
>the doors asap that they would enter in and physically remove
>people....despite telling people that, a lot of kids just didnt take 
the
>fukkin hint....im sorry but i was trying to help chase people out the 
fukkin
>door myself and idiots just wouldnt listen....too deep in their damn k 
holes
>to give a shit....
>
>you got to understand that roger was going to get into some shit if all 
those
>motherfukkerz didnt get out....as would a lot of other people who 
thought it
>was a joke...there were cops all over the place and they didnt find any 
humor
>in a buncha drugged out kids roaming aimlessly around a 
subdivision...,,
>
>yes the place was overcrowded and people were bitchin bout not gettin
>in...well...they couldnt let any more in due to firecodes...they were 
letting
>people in and out for cigarette smoking at least....
>
>some idiot was lettin kids in for 5$ a head at one of the side 
doors...another
>guy was charging 30$ at one door....geeezus....security was being 
shady...but
>trust me this was unbeknownst to the promoter...i think he was RATHER 
upset
>about both incidences....
>
>there were just an abundance of problems...space girl got there...but 
the
>sound people failed to bring all the equipment she needed to have for 
her
>PA....which everyone was scrambling around looking for at the last 
minute
>too....
>
>de la soul required a 4 hr sound check and wouldnt go on without 
one...but
>they didnt bother to tell anyone until 9pm...they finally went on 
later....
>
>but yo...the afterhours rawkt...was much fun...roll-x kikt much 
ass...as did
>RPD....perry ellis threw down an excellent set as well....got to meet a 
buncha
>kids....had fun..drank champagne...acted a fool.....it was great....had 
more
>fun there than i did at the actual party...
>
>i guess i was expecting too much from tranquility anyway....i was 
expecting it
>to go off in a major way...but the afterparty which i expected nothing 
out
>of....i had a GREAT time at.....so what if i had to pay $3 to get in? i 
ended
>up donatin a lil bit more to it so the girlie would make her money back
>yo....fukkit....
>
>sorry i just see things differently than ya all....shit happens ya 
know...
>
>peeeSh
>lauryN*
>

I'm wondering if there are any KidZ out there that are going to Snowed 
In in Columbus next weekend?  If there is, give me a yell.  And another 
thing, I'm kind of new to the scene, and don't know any good djs or know 
many kidZ, so would there be anyone out there that would be willing to 
like introduce me to some new djs, introduce themselves, and possibly 
hand with me at some up coming raves?  I would greatly appreciate it if 
someone out there would be brave enough to do this.

Show some luv to a new kid,
$cribble

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In a message dated 2/14/99 2:18:10 PM Central Standard Time,
hardhead@underworld.net writes:

<< in between that
 they were telling us to stop pushing.. >>

oh yeah...have some respect for your security peeps too...due to a buncha
people trying to bumrush the door, my friend harv's hand was broken in 2
places....

peeeSh
lauryN*

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michael mccusty wrote:

> hi!  i was just wondering are there any other gay gang bangers out there?!?
>
> i know i must not be the only one!!!
>
> ****PLUR****

PLUR - Peace, Love, Unity, Respect

I see you showing a lot of what you are advertising

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In a message dated 2/15/99 10:23:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com writes:

> << in between that
>   they were telling us to stop pushing.. >>
>  
>  oh yeah...have some respect for your security peeps too...due to a buncha
>  people trying to bumrush the door, my friend harv's hand was broken in 2
>  places....
>  
>  peeeSh
>  lauryN*


noooo shit that was fuckin nuttz i was there when that happened, ive never
seen sum shit like that.. and if ne1 knows Matt, i guess thats his name,, the
bald guy werkin the door... smoke a big ass blunt with him, that poor guy had
to be sooo stressed out. and yea at first i was all fuck floorgasm and shit
but it isnt all their fault. yea its fucked up they had to shut the doors but
honestly they couldnt have fit many more kidz in that place it was fuckin
packed!!!! sorry to all those who didnt get in but look at it like this... at
least you didnt pay 20$ at 1 or 2am to be kicked out at 5am


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 04:21:32 1999
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 what if you never got a bracelet? They ran out by the tim,e I got in.

   Di


>From: GNM3744@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:54:20 EST
>To: charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org
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>Subject: {pb-cle} Tranquility Braclets
>
>In a message dated 2/15/99 2:47:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>charles@bgnet.bgsu.edu writes:
>
>> Then, I called there info line and they said to those who still had 
there
>>  bracelets, they would make it up to us.  BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!
>
>really? more info plzzz  o yea did ne1 else notice they spelled 
tranqulity
>qrong on the braclets?
>
>looks for braclet
>Gabe


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 05:02:53 1999
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hey kids...just a note to anyone i might have confused  i have nothing to
do with the net party, i just happen to live in the house where it's being
held. i don't even know what day the party is on??
any opinions i express are purely my own and  do not necessarily represent
the views of the people throwing this party. ;)  any questions or comments
can be sent to peter@pubnix.org.

peter tells me there's a different rebecca in charge of food (not me, i'm
the last person you want in charge of your food!) and you can email her
at wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu


xoxox ooooooh yeah,
rebecca.
*TEKNOHEAD*  slave.2.the.rhythm.

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eyes, as well as feel it in your feet, you cannot help but dance to the
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Aliensquad would like to thank everyone that came out to Abduction 00:01 in
Lexington this past Friday.  Thanks for making the first installment a
success.  Look for more Abuctions to come in the future.  There will be free
bottled water and candy at all of our events along with other giveaways to
look forward to. These events will continue to be low cost.  00:01 featured
Halo ( chicago ) and Samm-E ( nashville ) for $8.00.  00:02 ( March 12, 1999 )
will feature James Christian ( New York ).  

We would also like to thank Roll-X ( Atlanta ) for coming out and treating us
to a tag team set with Halo and Samm-E.  It was great  :) Thanks for looking
out.  
-- 
 Peace and Love
 
                                                  trevor lamont
                                    Teamsters and Aliensquad
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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hey kids,ravers,countrymen
i owe you all an apology......
something happened to me the other
night that well made me realize how
much of a jaded asshole i can be

..setting...
party friday night
a small young girl about fifteen
approached me and asked me if i was eeing
i replied yes i am and she went on to tell me she was also
and then she made some remarks about how cool it all was
and that it was her first time

my immediate reaction was "get away you are so young wtf??"

now later on i began to realize that well......i was that young one at one
time as well.......
who the fuck am i......
without new blood the what we love stagnates and dies
it is our responsibility to (guide?) and help the new kids enjoy 
not judge and ridicule because we have
lost touch with the kis in all of us.......

i personally obviously have some soul searching to do.......
perhaps i will return......
untill then 
i leave you all in peace

matthew

peace through music motivated mind expansion

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well I dont usually do guys, but I'd let you do me for a happy hardcore 
tape :)

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In a message dated 99-02-15 21:45:28 EST, saffron@earthlink.net writes:

<< "No Rants, Just Raves
 
 As a raver, I'd like to thank you for including instructions on how to be
 one in After Hours ("Land Ravers," November).  Now that you've armed me with
 drug-related lingo and fashion advice, I'll have things besides great music
 to discuss at my next rave. >>

hmmmm, "No Rants, Just Raves" as the title?  Im wondering if they missed
my sarcasm in the letter..? 

thanx for the post!  bah-ha-haa, what a freaking day.

Peace!    ~Darian~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Love like you've never been hurt,
And dance like no one's watching   :)
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How about straight monogomist(sp)?


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it's been compared to the new Numark (DM 2002X) more than once.... but said to
be of higher quality.  i was just wondering how much it is.
thanks




have a nice day
~n








   where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are smi:)s

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Dude, do they exist? Dang! I thought it was an urban legend...

Luis

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> How about straight monogomist(sp)?
> 



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At 01:16 AM 2/16/99 EST, you wrote:
>it's been compared to the new Numark (DM 2002X) more than once.... but
said to
>be of higher quality.  i was just wondering how much it is.
>thanks

the vestax is somewhere around $800, placing it WAY higher in price than
the numark.  I haven't used the numark or the 07 pro but the 05 pro (the
older ver of the 07) is/was about the coolest mixer you could get.  I think
it's pretty sure that you're getting a lot more quality for your money with
the vestax.  But then again almost nobody has $800 to drop on a mixer
(johnny "i have money" burner i am looking at you) so go with the numark
and spend the extra $600 on a whole lot of records.

the gemini executioner is a great mixer too, at a very affordable price.  I
just thought I'd toss that in there.

now someone just needs to make a $100 turntable that performs like a 1200...

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I'm outta here.

Of the 50-100 messages in my box each day, I only have the time and
energy to read one or two from mw-raves.  It's time for me to go.

This latest chapter of my on again-off again subscription has been
most interesting.  I think I managed to inadvertantly start more flame
wars than ever before...SORRY!

Thanks to everyone for keeping me informed when I was planing my trip
to the midwest.  I had a GREAT time, despite the drama that consumed
my friends while I was there.  (Now I remember why I left...)  The
midwest "scene" is still the BEST!  Take my west-coast word for it...

Remember to look me up if you are ever in Southern California.  I love
entertaining Midwesterners... (they ask me if I have any POP to drink!
Yipee!)

Mad props: Dica, Shane, Matter, Derek, Doris Woo, Doris non-woo, Ed
Luna, Radianation and the other sweetie who sent me a tape...

Keep my address and stay in touch!

Life is a bit hectic for me right now, but maybe someday when I have a
bit less on my plate I'll sneak you another chapter of "Raver Fiction".

BIG smooooooooooooooootches,
Amy Rene Ricketts












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In a message dated 2/15/99 3:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, xtra@hempseed.com
writes:

> I wonder if any of you here are gang bangers..or how do the rave 
>  community see gangs?! I have heard about local NYC gangs
>  that preyed on ravers specifically..would anybody give me more 
>  info about gangs and raves?!!?I think gangs are great, but I wouldnt 
>  join one because I have a future ahead of me..any thoughts?!?!

i dunno, maybe we need some gangs at parties... so they can kill
undesirables... or maybe i should just pack a glok and a ski mask to every
party i attend and cap some kids... usually, that would be more entertaining
than the music at the party... a few dead kids would spice it up... shoot a
bad dj or two... who knows, it would be a fun twist... 

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 07:56:05 1999
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is anyone seeing outkast in milwaukee this friday?

i'll be there.
i'm bald.

peace,
Chad

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On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:26:51 -0600 (CST) andrew arnold
<arnold@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> writes:

>bah.
>i had a whole lot of fun at lovelife this weekend, in spite of the 
>fact
>that tommie 'no one knows i'm a lesbian' sunshine spun electro breaks 
> ...
> i hate electro breaks. 

You hate "electro breaks"??  What the hell is wrong with U ?!?

kisses,
jessica / "direct beat makes me drool" jesc
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Even though I had a good time at this party, I have to agree with Tammy.
$18 was too high for what you were getting and, I think, too high for ST
Louis. That large venue was by no means packed. I think SOL expected
more ppl. What with the band playing until after midnite, and most DJ's
being local and only really 2 out-of-town headliners (Nitro still
considers himself from ST. Louis), this was nowhere close to what you
can get in Chicago (if you "shop" carefully) for $25. 

I, who usually dance all night, only danced about 2 hours. The party got
shut down early (though I was already thinking of leaving.) Also, it
sounds like SOL only had 200 tix at Deep GRooves for the pre-sale price
of $15. 

St. Louis USED to be able to support some $30 parties, but I think since
the scene kinda fell off there for a while, promoters should consider it
a "building" scene instead of one "mature" enough to support the higher
party prices. Then again, I think ppl felt the lineup was overpriced.
Maybe with the right lineup, the price would not have been as much of a
factor?? Tommy Sunshine, while he always gets my props, is a rather
eclectic DJ, and FElix the Housecat is not well known or apreciated in
STL. 

I hear SOL spent alot of money to get that venue. FRom that stand point,
the price was more worth it. That floor in the main room had to be the
best I have danced on in a long time. It had some spring to it so your
feet and knees did not get as tired, and with a little baby powder, it
was plenty slippery!  

What made the party for me (besides the set by my roomie Nitro and
Pump!) was the great vibe and getting to hang out with all my KC and STL
friends. 

Thanks to Tammy and John for hosting the "sleep over" at their beautiful
home again!

-- Robin 
Kansas City

Tammy G. wrote:
> 
> I think your assesment of what St. Louis will tolerate for a party is
> too high.  David Alter, one of the SOL, told me a few months ago that
> they would "never charge more than $20 for a party again" because he's
> realized that's not what the scene here wants.
> Tammy
> Kindred Groove, St. Louis
> 
> ---Jason Schroeder <jasons@dlab.com> wrote:
> > Total Score: 57/70
> > How much this party should have cost: $24.51
> >
> > (1/70 = $0.43 - $30 is the most anyone will really tolerate for a
> party
> > in st. louis)
> >

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On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 MustMeetSP@aol.com wrote:

> i was thinking of posting to see if anyone here has played with it yet too.
> you can find them for under $200, depending on where you shop.

I have one. Its no Vestax PMC-05 Pro but for under $200 its probably the 
best mixer you can get at the price IMHO. The fader is super loose, the
output is pretty damn good, it has clean EQs on each channel, has both a 
booth and main out, hampster switches (if yur a badazz who likes that shit)
and a buncha exta line inputs for running your various gear through.... I 
havent had any problems with mine at all and i've had it nearly 2 years now 
I guess. I give it a thumbs up if you dont wanna shell out for a high end 
Vestax.

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In a message dated 2/16/99 9:02:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
I'll be honest with you.  Coming from a combination turntablist and mixing
background, I can tell you this: for scratching and shit, yes, the fader is
loose, but its virtually worthless because the cut in time is so poor.  I
mean, the sound doesnt fully cut in until the fader is almost all the way in
the center of the mixer.  This is the worst possible type of fader for
scratching, even if it is fast.  A hampster switch is pointless on a mixer of
this type because the tricks that would warrant a hampster style (crabbing,
flaring) can't be done on this mixer because the cut in takes too long.  I
personally have a 06 pro, and the reason it is so good is not only that the
fader is fast, but that you can adjust the cut in time with the curve
adjustment to be virtually instantaneous.  IMHO if you want a better scratch
mixer (granted with less other features) for around$200, get a Vestax 06T (i
know its ugly but its fast) or a vestax 03a, because they both have decent
faders with decent cut-in times.  Also, if you are in the market for a high
end mixer, peep that new Rane, the 54 or whatever it is...I just spun on that
last week and even though I dont like the placement of some of the controls,
the fader is debatably better than the 05/06/07 pro.  
Peace, dd
http://www.umich.edu/~dshayman

noahphex@happy.hardcorps.org writes:

<< I have one. Its no Vestax PMC-05 Pro but for under $200 its probably the 
 best mixer you can get at the price IMHO. The fader is super loose, the
 output is pretty damn good, it has clean EQs on each channel, has both a 
 booth and main out, hampster switches (if yur a badazz who likes that shit)
 and a buncha exta line inputs for running your various gear through.... I 
 havent had any problems with mine at all and i've had it nearly 2 years now 
 I guess. I give it a thumbs up if you dont wanna shell out for a high end 
 Vestax. >>

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From: "Nikollaus Zorich" <winterking70@hotmail.com>
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>hey kids...just a note to anyone i might have confused  i have nothing 
to
>do with the net party, i just happen to live in the house where it's 
being
>held. i don't even know what day the party is on??
>any opinions i express are purely my own and  do not necessarily 
represent
>the views of the people throwing this party. ;)  any questions or 
comments
>can be sent to peter@pubnix.org.
>
>peter tells me there's a different rebecca in charge of food (not me, 
i'm
>the last person you want in charge of your food!) and you can email her
>at wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
>
>
>xoxox ooooooh yeah,
>rebecca.
>*TEKNOHEAD*  slave.2.the.rhythm.

*HugZ* to everyone out there.  I would still like to know if there is 
anyone out there that is going to Snowed In on the weekend of February 
20?  If there is, let me know who you are.  Also, what's this that I'm 
hearing about somekind of net partee?

*HugZ*
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From: "Nikollaus Zorich" <winterking70@hotmail.com>
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>Aliensquad would like to thank everyone that came out to Abduction 
00:01 in
>Lexington this past Friday.  Thanks for making the first installment a
>success.  Look for more Abuctions to come in the future.  There will be 
free
>bottled water and candy at all of our events along with other giveaways 
to
>look forward to. These events will continue to be low cost.  00:01 
featured
>Halo ( chicago ) and Samm-E ( nashville ) for $8.00.  00:02 ( March 12, 
1999 )
>will feature James Christian ( New York ).  
>
>We would also like to thank Roll-X ( Atlanta ) for coming out and 
treating us
>to a tag team set with Halo and Samm-E.  It was great  :) Thanks for 
looking
>out.  
>-- 
> Peace and Love
> 
>                                                  trevor lamont
>                                    Teamsters and Aliensquad
>                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
>******************************************************************
>Bookings:
>     Pleasure Entertainment  (314-995-2631) : my agent
>     tlamont@gte.net : my e-mail address
>     twilson@lexmark.com : my work address
>     houseman606@hotmail.com : my other e-mail address :)
>     http://home1.gte.net/trevorl/index.htm
>     1-888-379-6168 : my pager
>******************************************************************
>                      House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!

Where is this rave that you're speaking of that is taking place on 3-12?

*HugZ*
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>hey kids,ravers,countrymen
>i owe you all an apology......
>something happened to me the other
>night that well made me realize how
>much of a jaded asshole i can be
>
>..setting...
>party friday night
>a small young girl about fifteen
>approached me and asked me if i was eeing
>i replied yes i am and she went on to tell me she was also
>and then she made some remarks about how cool it all was
>and that it was her first time
>
>my immediate reaction was "get away you are so young wtf??"
>
>now later on i began to realize that well......i was that young one at 
one
>time as well.......
>who the fuck am i......
>without new blood the what we love stagnates and dies
>it is our responsibility to (guide?) and help the new kids enjoy 
>not judge and ridicule because we have
>lost touch with the kis in all of us.......
>
>i personally obviously have some soul searching to do.......
>perhaps i will return......
>untill then 
>i leave you all in peace
>
>matthew
>
>peace through music motivated mind expansion

Hey everyone out there, I'm a new kid to the scene, I'm going to Snowed 
In this weekend (2-20) and I'm having trouble finding someone to hang 
with me being a newbie and all.  I am 17 years old, and need someone to 
hang with, so if you are going to Snowed In, know someone that is going 
to Snowed In, or are planning to go to Snowed In, and are willing to 
hang with a new kid, let me know, I would greatly appreciate it.

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>In a message dated 99-02-15 21:45:28 EST, saffron@earthlink.net writes:
>
><< "No Rants, Just Raves
> 
> As a raver, I'd like to thank you for including instructions on how to 
be
> one in After Hours ("Land Ravers," November).  Now that you've armed 
me with
> drug-related lingo and fashion advice, I'll have things besides great 
music
> to discuss at my next rave. >>
>
>hmmmm, "No Rants, Just Raves" as the title?  Im wondering if they 
missed
>my sarcasm in the letter..? 
>
>thanx for the post!  bah-ha-haa, what a freaking day.
>
>Peace!    ~Darian~
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Work like you don't need the money, 
>Love like you've never been hurt,
>And dance like no one's watching   :)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I love your ending quote.

*HugZ*
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>it's been compared to the new Numark (DM 2002X) more than once.... but 
said to
>be of higher quality.  i was just wondering how much it is.
>thanks
>
>
>
>
>have a nice day
>~n
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Dude, do they exist? Dang! I thought it was an urban legend...

Luis

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> How about straight monogomist(sp)?
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Dude, do they exist? Dang! I thought it was an urban legend...

Luis

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> How about straight monogomist(sp)?
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Hey, I'm a newbie kid, and I was wanting to know if there was anyone out 
there that is going to Snowed In this weekend that would be willing to 
let me hang with them?  As a newbie to the rave scene, I don't know many 
kidZ, but am willing to meet anyone that will just give me a chance.  If 
you would like to go to Snowed In, and need information on the partee, 
mail me and I'll be more than happy to send you the nfo.  All the party 
kidZ out there, keep it real and be strong.

*HugZ*
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$kribble-

no one is gonna wanna hang out with your stinkin' ass at snowed in if you
keep sending 98273498237 messages a day to the list about it.  jesus
christ.

i know u are a newbie and prolly have nothing but harmless intentions, but
i assure you your *first* 10 requests for a friend made it through to the
list - give ppl a chance to respond, for pete's sake.

*HuGz*!



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hello im phillip charles prentice a student at mths, I saw the info on 
the mac music seminar on the 11th of february but i didnt see the email 
until it was too late i need some info on using macintosh computers for 
music editing,sampling,sequencing,all that nice shareware that i've been 
hearing about i am in a low budget school so i would appreciate any info 
on  mac drum machine shareware,or payware musical programs and 
applications thank you for your time (ibm clone programs are cool too)


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by 
the dozen! -Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592)


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if all goes well we'll have some fun little surprises for everyone.
nothing spectacular, but if you're down with the homey vibe then you'll
definitely be down with this party.  

++
e d

www.ele-mental.org


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Need help with a couple of contacts:

1) The booking agency that handles Doc Martin (The LA house DJ)

and

2) A phone number and a name for someone at Moonshine (Moonshine UK, if
such exists) who handles radio promotion.


-peter

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well, well, well.... i wasn't suprised to see 481 messages in my box,
most of which nailed Floorgasm and anything to do with Tranquility in
Dayton this past weekend.  Yes, the party all-in-all had a lot of
negative things happen, we could stress on them forever. I, on the other
hand, believe even though the all of that BULLSHIT happened, it is
impairative to see the positive energy with a few good things that
happened...
-I lost my bag, halfway through the party... I thought it was stole...
until I told Matt BAndy about it at the afterhours... he brought it to
me and said it was in the VIP room during that whole cop shut-down.
-I had the opportunity to drive the sound truck for the second room, and
I was happy to say that the second room ROCKED! It was such a difference
in atmosphere in the two rooms. I was happy to say that our sound was
running from 10:45 until shutdown, where we moved to the afterhours, set
up and ran until 3:00.
-Since the space was changed from the original one, I was happy to warm
the crowd up from 11:00 - 12:00... this was cool because I got the ol'
"hey, didn't you spin earlier---" thing from everyone...It's an easy way
to start a goog conversation.
-De La Soul ended up drinking our Heineken's and someone said they saw
them drinking 'em on stage... oh, well. I never made it to the main
room.
-The afterhours was awesome... I liked the sets of Matt Bandy, Benji,
and Roll-x (thanks again Elli and Misse for letting me play:)I hope you
enjoyed!
-I met mad kidz who were totally cool... this was at the after party. It
seems I have more fun there than at the real "RAVE"...
-I think that it's important to reflect on SOME good things, even if the
party was a total disaster.

Thanks for listening... 

Nate (the kid with the horns and the "Doris" from Walmart nametag on)

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i too am i die hard good looking rec. fan... could someone clarify these
dates for me  its a little confusing after december of november...
thanks

On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, evan b wrote:

> via the breaks list/it's about time:
> 
> >>>This is a message sent out Tuesday from the radio promotions manager
> >@ Stud!o K7 Recorings in NYC>>>
> >
> >LTJ is comming to town and he is bringing some friends. Yes LTJ Bukem
> >along side Blame, Intense, MC Conrad + DRS
> >
> >And Now ...check the dates and cities...
> >
> >02/03 Los Angeles        
> >03/03 Austin                 
> >04/03 New Orleans
> >05/03 Gainsville             
> >06/03 Atlanta                
> >07/03 Greensboro NC
> >10/03 Montreal             
> >11/03 Baltimore             
> >13/03 Miami
> >14/03 Miami                 
> >17/03 Philadelphia          
> >18/03 Cincinatti
> >19/03 Cleveland            
> >20/03 San Bernadino      
> >21/03 Denver
> >22/03 San Francisco        
> >24/03 Vancouver            
> >26/03 Detroit
> >27/03 Toronto                
> >28/03 Chicago
> >
> >D'n'B in full effect . !K7 flex and Good Looking are proud to bring
> >you the tour to launch the release of Progression Session vol .3
> >Spread the Word...
> 


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 My review:
    The venue: On 115th and halsted..can we say Ghetto!!!, anyhow, for 
those at winterwonderland..same venue..The party started off Shitty with 
mad abusive Security(including throwing a girl up against a wall) 
amongst many other horrid acts.. OVT in the second room threw an 
impressive visual show. Mark in the main room also worked an incredible 
light show.
   SonikBoom opened it all up with a hearty HARDCORE set that got people 
moving. Outside of checking out OVT, I didnt spend much time in the 
second room. At 12:30, the party was shutdown..20.00 for less than  
 2 hours.. Anyhow.. Party moved to DOCK 5, Where the STAR Of the SHOW.. 
The MAN of the HOUR. ESP WOODY MCBRIDE, rocked the crowd. His set was 
nothing less than perfect, and the crowd responded... If anyone hasnt 
experienced a set of his.. Its a MUST... ANyhow...
    I wasnt impressed or moved at all with supa star dmitri's set, and 
would rather have seen extended sets of farris and mcbride.
   This is a short random thought review, I havent had much sleep in the 
past 72 hours, and thought I would give a few thoughts now.
   Another short tidbit... Paul anthony spun a set above EOS(or 
something) in Kline indiana on monday night, and is a must see at LOTD2 
and The E files coming up...
                                              Love to All,
                                                   Dan Sharp
           

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I'm thinking that's March 2 - 28 (silly European dates :))

BTW, I'm Tanya. I just joined this list. I live in Mpls and have been partying
around the MW off and on for almost 3 years. I like all types of electronic
music but I am passionate about happy hardcore! :) I'm hoping to become more
involved in the Mpls scene and helping it grow and evolve in the near future.

Hugz,
Tanya :)

johnathan mark hanson wrote:
> 
> i too am i die hard good looking rec. fan... could someone clarify these
> dates for me  its a little confusing after december of november...
> thanks
> 
> On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, evan b wrote:
> 
> > via the breaks list/it's about time:
> >
> > >>>This is a message sent out Tuesday from the radio promotions manager
> > >@ Stud!o K7 Recorings in NYC>>>
> > >
> > >LTJ is comming to town and he is bringing some friends. Yes LTJ Bukem
> > >along side Blame, Intense, MC Conrad + DRS
> > >
> > >And Now ...check the dates and cities...
> > >
> > >02/03 Los Angeles
> > >03/03 Austin
> > >04/03 New Orleans
> > >05/03 Gainsville
> > >06/03 Atlanta
> > >07/03 Greensboro NC
> > >10/03 Montreal
> > >11/03 Baltimore
> > >13/03 Miami
> > >14/03 Miami
> > >17/03 Philadelphia
> > >18/03 Cincinatti
> > >19/03 Cleveland
> > >20/03 San Bernadino
> > >21/03 Denver
> > >22/03 San Francisco
> > >24/03 Vancouver
> > >26/03 Detroit
> > >27/03 Toronto
> > >28/03 Chicago
> > >
> > >D'n'B in full effect . !K7 flex and Good Looking are proud to bring
> > >you the tour to launch the release of Progression Session vol .3
> > >Spread the Word...
> >

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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Tanya Swanson wrote:

> BTW, I'm Tanya. I just joined this list. I live in Mpls and have been partying
> around the MW off and on for almost 3 years. I like all types of electronic
> music but I am passionate about happy hardcore! :) I'm hoping to become more
> involved in the Mpls scene and helping it grow and evolve in the near future.

hi tanya, welcome to mw-raves. for those not in the know, tanya is a
mainstay of mtn-raves, that vibey-plurfest-west-of-the-divide list.

mw-raves gets more traffic, more spam, more open discussion, and, most
importantly, more assholes! 

midwest raves - no, we can't just get along

so, enjoy, tanya, your 'D' key will never be the same again :)

			paul toastman


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WHAT=A0=A0 WE=A0=A0 LOVE=A0=A0 ABOUT=A0=A0 RAVES 

~Glowing teeth under flourescent lights. 

~People who dance with glowsticks. 

~Being in your mom's car and hearing the -BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM- when the pl=
ace
is still 5 minutes away. 

~The smell of baby powder. 

~People who pass water around especially when I really need it. 

~Dancing around backpack piles. 

~Using whistles to hype up the crowd. 

~"Facing off" with someone on the dance floor and getting a smile. 

~Dancing in front of a massive speaker stack, and watching your shirt flut=
ter
with every beat. 

~Walking out of a dusty warehouse at 8:00 am, feeling the sun on your face=
,
and looking up at a clear blue sky. 

~When people come over to you and go "Dude, what are you on?? You gotta be=
 the
happiest guy in here." 

~Trancing watching people dance when the whole crowd moves like a wave. 

~Getting about a million goose bumps the moment before a song absolutely
explodes with energy. 

~That cold rush when you put Vap-o-rub on your face. 

~People who bring in backpacks full of "rave goodies" (Blowpops, bottled w=
ater
that is actually cold, pixy sticks, glitter, etc.). 

~Looking around the floor when you're dancing and knowing that everyone of
those people is having as much fun as you. 

~Reaching for the lasers, seeing if you can hold one, just to make sure yo=
u
aren't tripping. 

~How I sit in skool and dream about the weekend and how Chill the summer i=
s
gonna be. 

~How lasers bounce off reflective sunglasses up on yo head. 

~When they go to about 9 in the morning so I don't have to sit and wait fo=
r my
mom to pick me up. 

~When people that you have never seen treat you like their best friend. 

~Smart drinks. 

~Talking to a newcomer, then seeing him almost every weekend after that. 

~Getting "sprinkled" with water and getting a chill cause it was unexpecte=
d. 

~Dancing to some hardcore, trying to keep up with the music even though it=
 is
impossible. Giving it all your energy. 

~Going out of my way to tell the DJs that they are really good. 

~Feeling like you could run a few miles the last 10 minutes of a rave, the=
n
falling asleep on the way home. 

~Having breakfast the morning after with friends, and the waitress going "=
you
kids didn't sleep well last nite did ya?" if she only knew...... 

~The "I am deaf for life" feeling as you are walking out. 

~Singing disco songs on the way to and from the party. 

~Preaching my opinions on techno and stuff for no reason, then realising t=
hat
no one can hear me cause it is to loud and they weren't just ignoring me! 

~Walking out of that dark place and into the sunshine in the morning, bein=
g
glad your sunglasses were waiting for this moment up on yo head all night.=
 

~Knowing what that person who just bumped into you is about to say. You sa=
ying
it before they do. 

~Hysterically laughing for no reason. 

~Leaving your backpack somewhere for 2 hours, then coming back to see that=
 it
wasn't moved or even opened. 

~Watching people talk to walls and speakers and stuff. 

~Going into deep thought about how the place has more sweaty people then g=
ym
class and why it smells so much better than a locker room. 

~Singing cheesy songs in line and before you know it there are about a hun=
dred
or so kids singing along. 

~Having burping contests with your friends while on line. 

~When the asthma kids pass around those prescription inhalers. 

~When you can yell out "my friend is puking anyone have any candy??" and 5
hands will shoot up in the air above the crowd with pixi stix and suckers.=
.. 

~Going to Chene park after the party (a park in detroit) and seeing 50 or =
so
other raver kids already there, and more show up.. just to hang out for
awhile.. 

~Walking through a hallway and meeting about 20 new people that you hang w=
ith
at every party after that.. 

~Socializing in the nitrous line. 

~Using flyers when there's no toilet paper just because you dont care. 

~Seeing one of your friends, not on any drugs, just start crying in the mi=
ddle
of the dancefloor because the party is SO GOOD and he doesn't know what to
do.. 

~A smile from across the room has a different meaning.. 

~Knowing that if you are in any trouble, any amount of those kids that you
don't know will come and help you.. 

~Going to the packard plant for a party and later comparing black boogers =
and
rave gunk rings in the bathroom at Dennys in the morning.. 

~Walking in and seeing everyone you know and you feel so cool because all =
the
kids are your friends..

~You can ask someone for a drink of their water and they wont look at you =
like
a crazy stranger.. they smile and pass it over.. 

~When you're puking in the bathroom and some girl come in there, shuts you=
 in
with her, and pees while talking to you because you're sitting on the floo=
r
about to puke again.. 

~Just the feeling of "if they only knew.. while they were all asleep.." 

~Standing in the shower the next morning being able to close your eyes and=
 be
back at the party, as black grime, and rave smell washes down the drain. 

~Trying to explain to your parents what that damn party smell actually
consists of....and why you like it so much.. 

~Knowing that you aren't having a siezure and it's just those damn strobe
lights. 

~Being able to hear the bass thumping in your brain long after you've left=
 the
party. 

~Leaving with half eaten ring pops on your finger and half empty candy
necklaces around your neck. 

~Being so excited to see the people that you haven't seen in so long...eve=
n
though to this day you still don't know their name. 

~Feeling that while you're in the partee, that you're in a completely
different world than is outside (it's a dream world).

~Walking up to a complete stranger just to tell them "I think you're cute"=
 and
not have them give you a strange look, like you were trying to pick them u=
p or
something..nah, I was just being nice.

~Eating at Perkins with your brain making the sickest music ever after a
party.

~Throwing a party and realizing how many friends you've made because of th=
is
music.

~Seeing the same kids at three different parties in three different states=
.

~That moment when someone you've seen a million times smiles at you and co=
mes
over and starts talking to you for the first time.

~Free parties.

~Strangers who come up to you and tell you that they love the way you danc=
e.

~Random hugs.

~Going to another city for a party and meeting people who ask you if you n=
eed
a place to crash afterwords.

~The person who took you to your first party.

~Knowin' that any raver boy will pretend to be your boifriend when big sca=
ry
icky guys, who don't belong at parties in their stoned washed jeans & meta=
lica
t-shirts try to pick you up.

~Learning some strangers entire life story before the nite is over.

~Answering someone elses' whistle call from across the room and you can't =
see
who the other person is.

~Catching the distinct smell of weed and looking around hoping to mooch a =
hit,
but no one appears to be smoking in the vicinity...

~Going out at midnite thinking that everyone elses' nite is ending, and yo=
urs
hasn't even begun yet.

~Getting all excited when you look at your watch and realise you have a go=
od 5
hours left, till you have to go to the afterhours that is.

~Going up to someone on the floor all hunched over, with their head in the=
re
hands, to ask them if they are ok....And they say they are having the best
time of their life.

~That inevitable decision, you can get just one more pill, but you won't h=
ave
gas money or food money for the next 3 days.

~You have no money, and someone splits a pill with you, just because you w=
ould
of done the same.

~The feeling that no one is rolling, but when you take a pill, suddenly
everybody is rolling.

~Going home and emptying your pockets and finding lollipop wrappers, and m=
ore
wrappers, and more wrappers.

~Having someone run up to you all excited yelling "oh my gawd, i haven't s=
een
you in so long" ....and you have absolutely no clue who they are..... (pla=
y
along, at least they're happy)

~When the DJ drops the tightest song, and making eye contact with someone =
else
who loves the song just as much.

~When someone gives you the best plastic bead bracelet because they though=
t
you were cute, or you just needed it.

~Discussing the deep sentimental value of each piece of plastic jewelery o=
n
your body.

~That same beat that keeps replaying in your head 3 hours after you've lef=
t.

~Knowing the stories about how everyone got those weird nicknames, like Si=
nk,
Fern, Cherry, and Lollee.


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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, soulbeatz@juno.com *+*Jessica/jesc*+* wrote:

> >bah.
> >i had a whole lot of fun at lovelife this weekend, in spite of the 
> >fact
> >that tommie 'no one knows i'm a lesbian' sunshine spun electro breaks 
> > ...
> > i hate electro breaks. 
> 
> You hate "electro breaks"??  What the hell is wrong with U ?!?

alot, jessica. =) 

i could explain why i don't like them, but i doesn't really matter.
suffice to say that they just don't do a whole lot for me. 

kinda like really repetitive goa trance.

peace,
andrew




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it seems, that with all the forwards, someone forgot something very
important on that list:

the expiration date.  which i would place somewhere in late 1995, at the
latest.

read that list, and ask yourself how much of it still applies.

embarassing as it may be, it still made me smile - thanks for the memories :)



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 22:50:06 1999
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Expiration Date?  I don't think so.  Maybe YOU have lost it, or your
scene has lost it, but the magic is still out there....

7+ years of ravin' and I'm feeling it, again,

Tammy
Kindred Groove, St. Louis

---michael mccusty <michael@hardcorps.org> wrote:
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> it seems, that with all the forwards, someone forgot something very
> important on that list:
> 
> the expiration date.  which i would place somewhere in late 1995, at
the
> latest.
> 
> read that list, and ask yourself how much of it still applies.
> 
> embarassing as it may be, it still made me smile - thanks for the
memories :)

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At 02:50 PM 2/16/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Expiration Date?  I don't think so.  Maybe YOU have lost it, or your
>scene has lost it, but the magic is still out there....
>
>7+ years of ravin' and I'm feeling it, again,
>
>Tammy
>Kindred Groove, St. Louis
>
I am totally with Tammy here :) Except I feel it everytime I go out, it has
never stopped for 7+ years also. You make your own magic and maybe it is
just a bubble around me, but it always seems to be there and is always in
my world, and i am happy to be in my world :) 
love & light,
-Jeff

  -( Subconscious Collective )-
             515-239-4685
-=Next Event:Hope, March 6th=-

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I have to agree with Tammy. It really all comes from within. If you want
magic and you are with a group of like minded people - you'll get magic. My
friends and I have been clubbing and then raving for over 10 years now and I
have to tell ya - last September Paul Oakenfold played in Chicago and we all
lost it like it was the first time (and most of us were sober). 

Best Regards
Chad Sommer 

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Tammy G. [SMTP:tamarama303@yahoo.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 4:50 PM
	To:	michael mccusty; mw-raves@hyperreal.org
	Subject:	Re: [mw] Fwd: [oneUNITED] WhAt WE <.3 bOuT RaVes!!

	Expiration Date?  I don't think so.  Maybe YOU have lost it, or your
	scene has lost it, but the magic is still out there....

	7+ years of ravin' and I'm feeling it, again,

	Tammy
	Kindred Groove, St. Louis

	---michael mccusty <michael@hardcorps.org> wrote:
	>
	> it seems, that with all the forwards, someone forgot something
very
	> important on that list:
	> 
	> the expiration date.  which i would place somewhere in late 1995,
at
	the
	> latest.
	> 
	> read that list, and ask yourself how much of it still applies.
	> 
	> embarassing as it may be, it still made me smile - thanks for the
	memories :)

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>Expiration Date?  I don't think so.  Maybe YOU have lost it, or your
>scene has lost it, but the magic is still out there....

not in my experience it's not.  not in the midwest at least.

welcome to the midwest!  where there's always plenty of SHADE!  :D



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american cheese productions, ohio USA        |  michael_614@hotmail.com
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 forget sliced!!"
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>
>   SonikBoom opened it all up with a hearty HARDCORE set that got people 
>  moving.

Actually that was Richie Wel, not Sonic Boom who was spinning in the main
room.  I don't know why Richie Wel played since he wasn't on the flyer, but it
was cool.  I think Sonic Boom was supposed to play later.  Wish the party
wouldn't have gotten moved.  :*(  Dock 5 sucked.  
Go here for pics: http://delusions.simplenet.com/past/lov/index.html
tah tah,
Lisa

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Pix yay
*huggies*
fanks
*love ya always* joe

In a message dated 2/16/99 5:02:45 PM Central Standard Time, PixiEg4713
writes:

> http://delusions.simplenet.com/past/lov/index.html

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Aw hell yeah!

When DJ Sy came to Chicago in November and dropped Eyeopener... I just about
cried. To see a CHICAGO party rock to the double H...it was nice to say the
least. It's small moments when the crowd is all tuned in..where the vibe is
just right...that keep me going to these dang blasted rave events. I'm kinda
glad that it doesn't happen every weekend. I don't expect it that much..so
when it hits, it hits hard!

It doesn't matter what's being played...just as long as you're happy, and the
people around you are happy....that's when IT happens.

Phlips Trak

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>>I had fun, just cause I got to hang out with Doug!!!  I luv you 
>>man!!!!
>
>Quit it!!!!
>I'm blushing again!
>
>TRUNKout


But I love it when you blush!!!!

Crystal

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 16 23:24:32 1999
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Yes your little thing off of Studio was very cute, but just because it 
clogged up the DC DOESNT mean that it has to clog the MW list, send it 
to the Boston list or something
=)
- Steven Van Brocklin

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Hey, DJ TRU and Pat Nice of THC in KC, have made a kick ass tag team 
house tape.  Let me know if you want it, I'll see what I can do.  They 
still need to make the tape covers, when that happens, i'll send out 
some.  Please, private e-mails so I will be sure to read them, rather 
than the over used DELETE key!!!!  Thanks!!

Crystal

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Chill the fuck out, Mike, he just wants to meet new people!!!  I still 
luv you tho....

Crystal

>$kribble-
>
>no one is gonna wanna hang out with your stinkin' ass at snowed in if 
you
>keep sending 98273498237 messages a day to the list about it.  jesus
>christ.
>
>i know u are a newbie and prolly have nothing but harmless intentions, 
but
>i assure you your *first* 10 requests for a friend made it through to 
the
>list - give ppl a chance to respond, for pete's sake.
>
>*HuGz*!
>
>
>
>****************************************************************************
>dj michael knight                            |  michael@hardcorps.org
>american cheese productions, ohio USA        |  michael_614@hotmail.com
>...keep tingz happy...                       |  ICQ #27890270
>
>"happy hardcore is the best thing since a whole loaf of bread!!
> forget sliced!!"
>                                           -dj phil of free art!!
>
>"there's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
line."
>                                           -oscar levant
>
>"it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
>                                           -derrick carter
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>
>
>>>I had fun, just cause I got to hang out with Doug!!!  I luv you 
>>>man!!!!
>>
>>Quit it!!!!
>>I'm blushing again!
>>
>>TRUNKout
>
>
>But I love it when you blush!!!!
>
>Crystal

ME TOO ME TOO....I love it when you blush too....lick my flashing 
nipple.
dylan

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 00:02 ( March 12, 
>1999 )
>>will feature James Christian ( New York ).  
>>
feeling!!!
>
>Where is this rave that you're speaking of that is taking place on 
3-12?
>
>*HugZ*
>$cribble
>

it is in lexington, ky



PLoveUR
-crystal
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okay, i've sat and read everyone's posts about this party.  or i should 
say everyone's bitching, except for a few who finally stood up for 
people at the end there.  i know a lot of shit sucked.  but a lot of it 
was beyond the promoters control.  the original venue was a warehouse 
with a 5000 person capacity.  they had a contract with the owner that 
stated that everything was up to the fire marshalls standards.  so 
everything should have been taken care of from their point.  well, two 
hours before the party started while they were setting up sound the fire 
marshall came and told them they couldn't have it there.  you can't 
argue with the fire marshall, and that was supposed to have been taken 
care of with the owner as stated in the contract.  so what do you do?  
cancel or use your back-up?  they chose back-up.  de la sol were the 
one's who kept everyone outside.  they wouldn't let anyone in the main 
room while they sound checked.  and the space of the other room and hall 
was not very big.  they did let people inside until that space was 
filled, and then shut doors again until the main room did open.  and 
then they packed the venue so full you could not move.  there was no way 
in hell they were going to fit anymore kids inside.  no matter how cold 
they were, or how far they traveled, or how bad they wanted to see de la 
sol.  it sucked so bad inside i went home.  and the kids who broke 
windows, rushed the door and broke harv's arm, paid security to let them 
inside, etc.  were just as shady and fucked up as they said the 
promoters were.  i'm not totally agreeing with everything that went on 
with this party, there are some things i didn't agree with but the 
majority of things that went wrong with this party were beyond the 
promoters control.  it is VERY hard to throw a party, so many things to 
deal with.  and the bad attitudes from the kids DEFINATELY did not help.  
it is easy to lose your cool when everything is fucking up, and you are 
trying to fix it all, keep everything happening, everyone happy,  the 
stress is received in incredible doses!
and if anyone cares or believes this tid bit of info here goes.  they 
plan on sueing the owners of the original venue for not having the fire 
marshall standards met like the contract stated.  they are sueing for 
the amount they would have made for 5000 persons attending.  the money 
they get, if they win, will be used to throw a party as a type of 
apology.  this info came from one of the promoters to a friend.

about the after hours ellie and missy are no way connected with 
floorgasm prod.  they charged $3 to pay for the space and stuff.  and 
the afterhours was a hell of a fun time!  roll-x, ben kenobi, and 
matthew bandy all kicked ass.  


PLoveUR
-crystal
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the people who love it, from the dj's who love it. 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 01:15:06 1999
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does anyone make real smart drinks anymore?

any vendors who sell cool stuff?

send me your spiel.

peace,
chad

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Yeah, me, too! Except for the puking parts!

7+ years and still loving it, too!

-- Robin 

Tammy G. wrote:
> 
> Expiration Date?  I don't think so.  Maybe YOU have lost it, or your
> scene has lost it, but the magic is still out there....
> 
> 7+ years of ravin' and I'm feeling it, again,
> 
> Tammy
> Kindred Groove, St. Louis
> 
> ---michael mccusty <michael@hardcorps.org> wrote:
> >
> > it seems, that with all the forwards, someone forgot something very
> > important on that list:
> >
> > the expiration date.  which i would place somewhere in late 1995, at
> the
> > latest.
> >
> > read that list, and ask yourself how much of it still applies.
> >
> > embarassing as it may be, it still made me smile - thanks for the
> memories :)

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the secret to free music is: interlibrary loan. well it's very cheap
if you're taping whatever music you get. so far i have found + am in
the process of ordering CDs by: db, jeff mills, ltj bukem,
squarepusher, doc scott, dave angel, dara, and jeno, 
and these others i don't know who they are by: psychotrance 2, 3, & 5;
techno in the mix, happy hardcore in the mix, techno bass (direct
beat), and torque (no u turn). just sharing useful info.

incidentally, i had another dream/nightmare last night where i had
been kidnapped. this is getting weird. the general theme of the dream
interpretation was that there was a pattern of me being taken places
against my will. hopefully they are not prophetic. also somebody said
the dream about the submarine was very heterosexual + the submarine
was a phallic symbol. i don't know about the heterosexual part (hmm)
but my submarine had an unusual (not phallic) shape. it was like half
ship + had these separate pods or something. welll maybe the dreams
mean my mind is warped (by drugs, and by other stuff), but i like it
that way.

-elias
==
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Midwest Boyy wrote:
> 
> Yes your little thing off of Studio was very cute, but just because it
> clogged up the DC DOESNT mean that it has to clog the MW list, send it
> to the Boston list or something
> =)

I for one am GLAD it was posted to the list. Now let's not start talking
about all the mail clogging our boxes a couple days ago about raver
porn!

-- Robin

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applicants should probably be from wisconsin.

also, whoever sent me d-on's phone #...

i lost it, and i need it again.  can ya help a honky
out?

peace,
Chad

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hello world - sorry to waste bandwidth




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hey as everyone should know by now, im new to the rave scene and am 
looking for kidz to hang with at the next partee:Snowed In.  I basically 
live in columbus, for all of the people that have sent me emails asking 
where i was from. but if you would be interested in hanging out at 
Snowed In or are looking for someone to talk to, you can IM me with AOL, 
my sn is ScribKid. pleaz show a newbie some luv.

*HugZ*
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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Nikollaus Zorich wrote:

> pleaz show a newbie some luv.

anybody care to make a lewd response, before i jump on it(so to speak)?

				toastman


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Anyone who has the G2 real audio thing might want to check out the
groovetech preset under "alternative."

And to think I thought all the presets sucked.

Video is an interesting touch.  helps if you have an ethernet connection
or faster I suppose...

Good minimal and ambient being played now.

oh yeah,
Adam



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>It doesn't matter what's being played...just as long as you're happy, 
>and the
>people around you are happy....that's when IT happens.

All it takes is peeps like Phil for me to keep my mouth shut, smile, and
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> 
> TRUNKout
> "All opinions are based on personal experience, which is completely in
> the eye
> of the beholder, and are therefore irrelevant"

is this an opinion?  should I therefore disregard it?  if I disregarded
this advice, what reason would I have to think your statement irrelevant?

If your statement is not irrelevant, then I should believe it.  if I
believe it, am I believing an opinion?  (the circle would then continue,
forever validating/invalidating itself)

The only way out of the conundrum, that I can find out the moment, is to
believe that this is not an opinion but an ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Good job trunk.  You found one.

god save the queen,
Adam  


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Ok boys and girls....  this is gonna run long, but it's gonna be a bit more
than just a review......

Got there at about 10, 10:30?  techno was being spun in the main room, and the
crowd was just beginning to gather.  *COUGH* THE COP WAS VERY NICE *COUGH*
despite what some people may be saying....   People need to realize that yes
it is illegal to have drugs and you don't insult the cops intellagence about
that fact by being blatently obvious about it and thinking it's all good just
because "it's a rave"....
anyways, the live band came on, and they were totally out of there element.  I
don't feel bad saying this, because I've seen this band play before.  Several
times actually, and they are really good, but there's a place and time for
everything.  I hope some people enjoyed him.  There was some decent house and
jungle in the side room for all the heads out there....  again, no need to
bitch people!!!!  SOL would not have done that if there wasn't that side room.
I think it's cool that they do that wierd stuff sometimes, and I'll bet some
people actually liked it.  Props to all my Clayton girls that danced their
asses off to Jive Turkey's shit.  I personally, could be found in the side
room! =P

Next Nitro and EdenFlux came on....  best set all night!  very lovely...  I
choose to hand out my PLUR flyers at this point =)  Met Anjie from columbia in
the process...  THANKS SOOOO MUCH FOR THE PLUR PIN!!!!!!!  I wore it to school
today! =)  Finished dancing out nitro'sset, very nice nitro!  much props!

Felix was ok.  I expected better, but nothing I should really be bitching
about- he still had me dancing!  

Tommie Sunshine was just not my cup of tea.  Maybe it's just an atlanta
thing....  maybe it's an older thing...  maybe it's a rock and roll roots
thing...  But i couldn't stand it.  Everytime I looked though, lots of people
were digging it, so again I made my way to the second room.  I have to ask for
all of your help in identifing that DJ!!!  He was playing some crazy nice shit
that had me D-A-N-C-I-N-G!!!!!!   He was wearing a red jersey-type shirt, and
was up during tommie's set.  I was totttaaalllly into it.

After that I headed down to hear Bodeleg and Chocalate Troy....   Very nice.
I've been giving Bodeleg's tape quite a few listens recently, and I always
enjoy seeing Troy sing.  Bodeleg did a great job at keepin us dancin and
making sure our muscles cramped up good.. =)   I had problems hearing Troy's
voice though.  I don't know if the sound just wasn't that good, or the mic was
low or what- but the voice was real soft.  An amazing voice though!!!  sounded
good, just quite.

Then Dino was up, and decided to help us work out those cramps Bodeleg gave us
by moving us with some soulful early morning house.  Unfortunatly, we were to
learn that we were getting shut down due to some kids that felt the urge to
party too hard...  =(   Well Dino- thanks for the nice but short set- I know
my legs appreciated it!  
Now- this is what I hate to see: kids doing stupid stuff with Drugs.  This
scene is growing REALLY fast.  The knowledge can not spread as fast as we are
growing.  I'm never one to down drugs because I think in some places they are
capable of doing beutiful things- but never when being taken without the
required knowledge!!!  I know I'm not the only one to have ever read up on
drugs before trying them.  I also asked a lot of questions...   is it not cool
to ask questions anymore?  does it really look that cool to be an all-knowing
fiend?  do the people with knowledge really look that elite that you couldn't
ask them?  I want to know what happened to the brains in this scene!  Why are
people doing this to themselves?  please!  ask me a question if you don't
know!  If i don't know, Maybe I can help point you in the right direction-
anybody with the knowledge can do this.   So I'm telling you- all of you- if
you don't know, please ask; and if you know, please share!

and to wrap it all up- net meet was really cool!  one second i thought it
died, and all of a sudden we took a massive STL-RAVES photo!!!!!  whoa!!!!!
any news on when that goes onto disk?  You know that goes right up front!
Nice meeting Harry? from mo-raves too!!!  The after party sounded fun, but
unfortunatly things popped up, and we made our ways home.  

Yes it got shut down early, yes the talent was not cream-your-jeans material,
yes it was a tad expensive- But this party kicked ass!  Venue was so nice-
JTRichter was funny- sound was great- lights were great- two rooms- and it was
valentines day!  I had a blast and so did just about everyone else I know!!!  

=)'s
mikee
===================================
stl-raves
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/stlraves/

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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 Spdracr447@aol.com wrote:

> party friday night
> a small young girl about fifteen
> approached me and asked me if i was eeing
> i replied yes i am and she went on to tell me she was also
> and then she made some remarks about how cool it all was
> and that it was her first time
> 
> my immediate reaction was "get away you are so young wtf??"


you should've made out with her!





> 
> now later on i began to realize that well......i was that young one at one
> time as well.......
> who the fuck am i......
> without new blood the what we love stagnates and dies
> it is our responsibility to (guide?) and help the new kids enjoy 
> not judge and ridicule because we have
> lost touch with the kis in all of us.......
> 
> i personally obviously have some soul searching to do.......
> perhaps i will return......
> untill then 
> i leave you all in peace
> 
> matthew
> 
> peace through music motivated mind expansion
> 

---------------------------------------------------

Ah from a little child,
Thou knowest soul how to me all sounds became music

-Walt Whitman


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This SHOUT OUT goes to one named Ravingrle@aol.com, a.k.a. Carla from Virg=
inia
Beach VA. This Letter is in regards to the one she wrote about the lil par=
ty
in Omaha called " ALL ABOUT THE LOVE" . But first let me introduce myself.=
  My
name is Mark Bourgault ( notice I do not hide behind an Identity ) and
recently moved here from Las Vegas, out of my own free will. I wanted to l=
eave
Las Vegas ( I had got caught up in too much drama, some of which was my ow=
n
fault ). I had met Ravingrle in a chat room on AOL.  She was this girl who
moved to Omaha, not because it was her favorite locale, but because of the
love of a boyfriend, who was going to school there. To sum it up our
conversations were basically me wanting to leave Vegas, and her complainin=
g
about how her boyfriend "neglected" / "unappreciated " her. So after a few
weeks, 2 bouts of phone sex, and a paycheck, I was on my way to Omaha to: =
1)
get out of Vegas and restart my life. 2) check out this girl who was offer=
ing
me a place to stay. =09
=09   Upon arriving in Omaha, I learned a few things. #1 I learned to have=
 a lot
of respect for the man who was her boyfriend, because in my mind, you coul=
d
not pay me enough to live with a woman who nagged as much as Carla did.
Especially in public. The only reason why I saw him stay with her was beca=
use
he really did love her. And I had to respect that. (Not to say Carla is no=
t a
good person, she is, I mean hell she gave me a place to stay and a roof ov=
er
my head , until I found a job ) #2 I went to a party that night I arrived,=
 and
had one of the most enjoyable evenings ever. It was called PLUR. And yes t=
he
place, lighting, DJ's, sound could have been better ( hell it always can, =
no
matter where you go ) But the thing I liked about most was that the kids w=
ho
were there, were friendly as hell, and the ones that were really down, KNE=
W
how to dance. It was very refreshing and very reassuring for me to know th=
at I
could go out to corn bred, USA and still find a rave scene, that was as
cultured and diverse as a lot of other cities. I also like the pride that =
the
city had as well, in itself. (Note - the friends that you have now from K.=
C.
Carla, you would have never met, if I didn't approach them first. In your =
DC
is higher than thou approach to life, you were ostracizing yourself from t=
he
rest of the crowd. ) 
=09     First let me say this Carla, where I come from no self-respecting =
raver
would have been in a sorority. But then again I started raving in Las Vega=
s
and the West Coast (what do we know about raving when compared to your
almighty DC / Virginia beach scene that you talk non stop about.)  Yes you=
 may
have Scott Henry and other highly talented DJ's. Yes you may have a thrivi=
ng
well put together , lovable scene. And yes maybe just maybe DC may have th=
e
biggest phattest scene on the East Coast. But I have one word for that:
TORONTO.  In the end there is always a city bigger and better. Albeit cold=
er
LOL. Look I see no problem with having pride in one's own city or region, =
Hell
I'm proud I'm from Cape Cod / Boston, even happy I lived in Vegas for a fe=
w
years ( it taught me to appreciate luxury ). But what I don't agree with i=
s
when one flaunts their city at the expense of others or in some one else's
city. 
          The saying "When in Rome=85" doesn't end with act like an Egypti=
an. It
ends with act like a Roman. This does not mean sell out to your beliefs or
your homeland's morals. But it does mean LEARN to respect the people and t=
he
city that you are a guest in. And I repeat you are a guest in Omaha. You w=
ere
not born here, you have no long-standing family here, therefore the city w=
ould
not lose anything to kick you out. Your best interest is to learn first HO=
W to
get along with these people, who have THEIR own way of doing things,
Regardless whether it seems right or wrong. And then maybe then they may h=
ave
time to appreciate what you can offer. But that is their own prerogative. =
They
have a right to be proud / arrogant about their city, they are living in i=
t.
If you love DC that much, then grab your courage and go back to DC. Otherw=
ise
Suck it up and Drive On.
         And if you want to make a pride thing with DC well it may have mo=
re
murders, and Boston may not have a great rave scene, but we do have Pro Te=
ams,
Lets compare DC to Boston, hmm ok you guys have the capitol. But want to
compare the number of sports championships between the two? How about it
doesn't take much of a manhood to pull a trigger but the ONLY UNDEFEATED
HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION was from Brockton, MA, his name was Rocky Marciano. A=
nd
Virginia - Mass well hell we KNOW who won the Civil War. I say we have mor=
e
juice. And lets not even compare DC to New York. 
=09   Enough about it. I live in Omaha now, for better or for worst and I =
don't
seem any gain that can be achieved by bragging non stop about the east coa=
st,
except to piss people off with my arrogance. And yes you are arrogant Carl=
a,
like it or not the vast majorities of people from the East Coast are,
including myself, that's why it is a stereotype. Be proud of it, but at le=
ast
keep it to yourself also. 
=09    Now about the party called " All About The Love" let me offer my ow=
n
critique. I had a Blast !!!!! from the time I walked in, until I left, hel=
l
even my non breaking, lousy dancing style was in a circle. I had Fun I met=
 a
lot of nice people, listened to good music and had a great time. And the S=
taff
/ Security were very friendly.  Funny Carla, you always talk about dancing=
 ,
but YET I HAVE NEVER nor have others seen you dance.  I personally think y=
ou
just stand there and watch. Maybe you would have a better future as a DJ=
=85=85..
Your boy on the other hand has some skills and should step in the circle f=
rom
time to time, maybe he can school us on a few moves.  What makes a rave is=
 not
the DJ's , not the music, not the sound, lights, location, IT'S THE RAVERS=
 /
Dancers themselves, who feel the music, who live it everyday, and who danc=
e
their arses off all night long non stop. They are the ones who create the =
vibe
and friendly atmosphere there. Or just about wherever you go. And yes mayb=
e
for a little bit of time there may have been a lull in the action. But thi=
s
City is young, has a lot of positive energy, especially from the diehard k=
ids
who love the scene, especially in a city where people have never heard hou=
se
before. The Vibe is there, and it was present at All About The Love.
         I have a few suggestions dear Carla , Instead of just criticizing=
 it
why not try and help it. Positive suggestions do help. You have a lot of
knowledge and positive energy, use it to help the scene here, or don't com=
ment
on it at all. You have only been here since last June, what have you done =
for
the city of Omaha, except bitch about it? WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE THE SCENE H=
ERE?
I know I cant, therefore I just sit back and appreciate what there is, and
make the most of it.  And be thankful that this scene at least, is moving =
in
the right direction. Cause that's all that really matters.  I will always =
be a
Boston kid, but I live in Omaha now, for all its strange ways, I LIKE this
place, And everytime you condemn this place Carla , I'm gonna be snapping
back, telling you to go home, go back to your precious DC / Virginia Beach=
 and
your lifestyle. I would rather know that you are happy-go lucky lovable pe=
rson
there, then be a miserable nag here.    

( Note -  Not that Carla is a bad person, quite the opposite, she is a ver=
y
friendly person in many instances, especially at playing hostess to out of
towners. Also very intelligent, she is currently finishing her Master's de=
gree
in Criminal Justice. You go Girl !!! But the endless badgering of Omaha, h=
as
irked me to no end.    P.S. Calling  Sarah's house the day before your
birthday to make up with her was pretty funny =85
Anyway   Hope you had a happy one. Hmmm  25 huh  getting older I see=85.. =
) 
 
Also Note  To DJ Number 9 or who ever you are : You're a Fool to think you=
 can
Flame someone's party Online and then call that person up to see if you ca=
n
spin at their next event=85..  Common Sense Please. This town is too small=
 for
info not to go around.  Anyway I'm the Guy with the yellow and black AXO
gloves if you want to respond face to face. Otherwise :P 

The same goes for the rest of you kids who bitch and whine about the Omaha
scene, personally you guys don't know how good you have it or how worse it
could actually be. Be thankful it's moving in the right direction. Either =
help
it along or stand by the wayside with yer mouth shut. The only way one can
improve their scene is by first looking in the mirror and improving
themsleves.  ( HMM I SHOULD PRACTICE THAT TOO, BUT THEN AGAIN I NEVER SAID=
 I
WAS A NICE GUY )

AHHH let the FLAME WAR begin=85  I need the Excitement, anyway I am gratef=
ul
that there is a scene here in Omaha. It keeps my sanity. My thanks to thos=
e
kids who put the effort into the scene here. WoooHoooo!!!  Party This Week=
end,
cant wait to shake that booty!!!!!!
Signed,
 Mark Alan Bourgault - Not a DJ, Not a Promoter, Not even a Famous Old Sch=
ool
Raver, Just one dancer among many.
Or in the words of DJ Speedy -  "Shut up and Dance"
             


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Subject: My Review of "Its ALL About the Love in Omaha "
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This SHOUT OUT goes to one named Ravingrle@aol.com, a.k.a. Carla from Virg=
inia
Beach VA. This Letter is in regards to the one she wrote about the lil par=
ty
in Omaha called " ALL ABOUT THE LOVE" . But first let me introduce myself.=
  My
name is Mark Bourgault ( notice I do not hide behind an Identity ) and
recently moved here from Las Vegas, out of my own free will. I wanted to l=
eave
Las Vegas ( I had got caught up in too much drama, some of which was my ow=
n
fault ). I had met Ravingrle in a chat room on AOL.  She was this girl who
moved to Omaha, not because it was her favorite locale, but because of the
love of a boyfriend, who was going to school there. To sum it up our
conversations were basically me wanting to leave Vegas, and her complainin=
g
about how her boyfriend "neglected" / "unappreciated " her. So after a few
weeks, 2 bouts of phone sex, and a paycheck, I was on my way to Omaha to: =
1)
get out of Vegas and restart my life. 2) check out this girl who was offer=
ing
me a place to stay. =09
=09   Upon arriving in Omaha, I learned a few things. #1 I learned to have=
 a lot
of respect for the man who was her boyfriend, because in my mind, you coul=
d
not pay me enough to live with a woman who nagged as much as Carla did.
Especially in public. The only reason why I saw him stay with her was beca=
use
he really did love her. And I had to respect that. (Not to say Carla is no=
t a
good person, she is, I mean hell she gave me a place to stay and a roof ov=
er
my head , until I found a job ) #2 I went to a party that night I arrived,=
 and
had one of the most enjoyable evenings ever. It was called PLUR. And yes t=
he
place, lighting, DJ's, sound could have been better ( hell it always can, =
no
matter where you go ) But the thing I liked about most was that the kids w=
ho
were there, were friendly as hell, and the ones that were really down, KNE=
W
how to dance. It was very refreshing and very reassuring for me to know th=
at I
could go out to corn bred, USA and still find a rave scene, that was as
cultured and diverse as a lot of other cities. I also like the pride that =
the
city had as well, in itself. (Note - the friends that you have now from K.=
C.
Carla, you would have never met, if I didn't approach them first. In your =
DC
is higher than thou approach to life, you were ostracizing yourself from t=
he
rest of the crowd. ) 
=09     First let me say this Carla, where I come from no self-respecting =
raver
would have been in a sorority. But then again I started raving in Las Vega=
s
and the West Coast (what do we know about raving when compared to your
almighty DC / Virginia beach scene that you talk non stop about.)  Yes you=
 may
have Scott Henry and other highly talented DJ's. Yes you may have a thrivi=
ng
well put together , lovable scene. And yes maybe just maybe DC may have th=
e
biggest phattest scene on the East Coast. But I have one word for that:
TORONTO.  In the end there is always a city bigger and better. Albeit cold=
er
LOL. Look I see no problem with having pride in one's own city or region, =
Hell
I'm proud I'm from Cape Cod / Boston, even happy I lived in Vegas for a fe=
w
years ( it taught me to appreciate luxury ). But what I don't agree with i=
s
when one flaunts their city at the expense of others or in some one else's
city. 
          The saying "When in Rome=85" doesn't end with act like an Egypti=
an. It
ends with act like a Roman. This does not mean sell out to your beliefs or
your homeland's morals. But it does mean LEARN to respect the people and t=
he
city that you are a guest in. And I repeat you are a guest in Omaha. You w=
ere
not born here, you have no long-standing family here, therefore the city w=
ould
not lose anything to kick you out. Your best interest is to learn first HO=
W to
get along with these people, who have THEIR own way of doing things,
Regardless whether it seems right or wrong. And then maybe then they may h=
ave
time to appreciate what you can offer. But that is their own prerogative. =
They
have a right to be proud / arrogant about their city, they are living in i=
t.
If you love DC that much, then grab your courage and go back to DC. Otherw=
ise
Suck it up and Drive On.
         And if you want to make a pride thing with DC well it may have mo=
re
murders, and Boston may not have a great rave scene, but we do have Pro Te=
ams,
Lets compare DC to Boston, hmm ok you guys have the capitol. But want to
compare the number of sports championships between the two? How about it
doesn't take much of a manhood to pull a trigger but the ONLY UNDEFEATED
HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION was from Brockton, MA, his name was Rocky Marciano. A=
nd
Virginia - Mass well hell we KNOW who won the Civil War. I say we have mor=
e
juice. And lets not even compare DC to New York. 
=09   Enough about it. I live in Omaha now, for better or for worst and I =
don't
seem any gain that can be achieved by bragging non stop about the east coa=
st,
except to piss people off with my arrogance. And yes you are arrogant Carl=
a,
like it or not the vast majorities of people from the East Coast are,
including myself, that's why it is a stereotype. Be proud of it, but at le=
ast
keep it to yourself also. 
=09    Now about the party called " All About The Love" let me offer my ow=
n
critique. I had a Blast !!!!! from the time I walked in, until I left, hel=
l
even my non breaking, lousy dancing style was in a circle. I had Fun I met=
 a
lot of nice people, listened to good music and had a great time. And the S=
taff
/ Security were very friendly.  Funny Carla, you always talk about dancing=
 ,
but YET I HAVE NEVER nor have others seen you dance.  I personally think y=
ou
just stand there and watch. Maybe you would have a better future as a DJ=
=85=85..
Your boy on the other hand has some skills and should step in the circle f=
rom
time to time, maybe he can school us on a few moves.  What makes a rave is=
 not
the DJ's , not the music, not the sound, lights, location, IT'S THE RAVERS=
 /
Dancers themselves, who feel the music, who live it everyday, and who danc=
e
their arses off all night long non stop. They are the ones who create the =
vibe
and friendly atmosphere there. Or just about wherever you go. And yes mayb=
e
for a little bit of time there may have been a lull in the action. But thi=
s
City is young, has a lot of positive energy, especially from the diehard k=
ids
who love the scene, especially in a city where people have never heard hou=
se
before. The Vibe is there, and it was present at All About The Love.
         I have a few suggestions dear Carla , Instead of just criticizing=
 it
why not try and help it. Positive suggestions do help. You have a lot of
knowledge and positive energy, use it to help the scene here, or don't com=
ment
on it at all. You have only been here since last June, what have you done =
for
the city of Omaha, except bitch about it? WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE THE SCENE H=
ERE?
I know I cant, therefore I just sit back and appreciate what there is, and
make the most of it.  And be thankful that this scene at least, is moving =
in
the right direction. Cause that's all that really matters.  I will always =
be a
Boston kid, but I live in Omaha now, for all its strange ways, I LIKE this
place, And everytime you condemn this place Carla , I'm gonna be snapping
back, telling you to go home, go back to your precious DC / Virginia Beach=
 and
your lifestyle. I would rather know that you are happy-go lucky lovable pe=
rson
there, then be a miserable nag here.    

( Note -  Not that Carla is a bad person, quite the opposite, she is a ver=
y
friendly person in many instances, especially at playing hostess to out of
towners. Also very intelligent, she is currently finishing her Master's de=
gree
in Criminal Justice. You go Girl !!! But the endless badgering of Omaha, h=
as
irked me to no end.    P.S. Calling  Sarah's house the day before your
birthday to make up with her was pretty funny =85
Anyway   Hope you had a happy one. Hmmm  25 huh  getting older I see=85.. =
) 
 
Also Note  To DJ Number 9 or who ever you are : You're a Fool to think you=
 can
Flame someone's party Online and then call that person up to see if you ca=
n
spin at their next event=85..  Common Sense Please. This town is too small=
 for
info not to go around.  Anyway I'm the Guy with the yellow and black AXO
gloves if you want to respond face to face. Otherwise :P 

The same goes for the rest of you kids who bitch and whine about the Omaha
scene, personally you guys don't know how good you have it or how worse it
could actually be. Be thankful it's moving in the right direction. Either =
help
it along or stand by the wayside with yer mouth shut. The only way one can
improve their scene is by first looking in the mirror and improving
themsleves.  ( HMM I SHOULD PRACTICE THAT TOO, BUT THEN AGAIN I NEVER SAID=
 I
WAS A NICE GUY )

AHHH let the FLAME WAR begin=85  I need the Excitement, anyway I am gratef=
ul
that there is a scene here in Omaha. It keeps my sanity. My thanks to thos=
e
kids who put the effort into the scene here. WoooHoooo!!!  Party This Week=
end,
cant wait to shake that booty!!!!!!
Signed,
 Mark Alan Bourgault - Not a DJ, Not a Promoter, Not even a Famous Old Sch=
ool
Raver, Just one dancer among many.
Or in the words of DJ Speedy -  "Shut up and Dance"
             


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Mark, 

I seriously disagree with you taking your comments about CArla public by
posting them on the list. That ain't cool! I am guessing you just meant
to help other readers put her comments in perspective. 

But, damn, guy! The rest of your comments are beautiful! I love your
attitude, not just about Omaha, but about anywhere. Alot of ppl could
learn a few things by reading that part of your post closely. 

Hope I get to dance by you some time! 

-- Robin 
Kansas City
used to live in Nebraska


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> This SHOUT OUT goes to one named Ravingrle@aol.com, a.k.a. Carla from Virginia
> Beach VA. This Letter is in regards to the one she wrote about the lil party
> in Omaha called " ALL ABOUT THE LOVE"

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Damn...I just made my OWN day...those are two of mah favorite things!!  
Anyhoo...to all the peeps in or around the Lexington (KY) area, we have a new
music store.  It is quaint, but on point, if you follow.  It is called Sami's
Music, and it is at 315 N. Limestone - near the campus McD's...but faces
Jersey Street.  Anyhoo, he has LP's, CD's and tapes - mad hip-hop
(underground, too), and a general techno section (titled electronica) (NO
classical, jazz, and not much pop...NOT dissing those forms of music, but if
that's whatcha want, look elsewhere), and plenty of mixtapes - Terry Mullan,
DieselBoy, DJ Odi, and the list goes on).  If he doesn't have what you want, I
am pretty sure he can get it...sorry for the plug, but i was impressed with
the joint today...the end.

~HuGZ~

Vic

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>>Expiration Date?  I don't think so.  Maybe YOU have lost it, or your
>>scene has lost it, but the magic is still out there....
>
>not in my experience it's not.  not in the midwest at least.
>
>welcome to the midwest!  where there's always plenty of SHADE!  :D
>

well maybe I shoudln't talk because I've only been raving since 3/98 
(holy shit it's coming up on a year then isn't it.. ooh boy don't I feel 
freaking special!) so I don't know what it was like 'back in the day.' 
And frankly I don't give a damn..  I mean I'm sorry to sound like a 
self-righteous punk, but I don't really wanna hear about how much better 
the vibe was, and how much less commercial it was, and how much better 
the E was and everything else. It's like.. I'm here now and I still 
think it's pretty damned 'vibey' and so what if it's commercial if we 
still have fun, we just have to demand a good product, and as far as the 
E goes, well it's still good.  Of all the different genres or scenes 
that I've experienced (again I'm young so I'm not like the voice of 
experience here) I've always liked some of the people, with the 
'rave'-'scene' I've loved a lot of them.  I mean yeah there's some shady 
dealers, and some thuggish guys who wanna show off, but really I've met 
a lot of good friendly kids who just wanna have a good time and not 
worry about what's waiting outside the party.  Basically what I'm saying 
is that I think there's still magic, I'm sorry if you don't.  According 
to you I joined the scene after the magic had died, well I guess that 
makes me easy to please because I still love it, I still get excited as 
hell when thinking about the next party, I still love to bring my 
friends to their first party just to see them gradually let go during 
the night and be out there dancing my sorry ass into the ground by 
morning.  If you don't still see this, i guess I'll say it again.. I'm 
sorry, but don't tell me the magic's gone bro.  If you mean that, and if 
it really matters to you, then do something about it, bring it back, but 
don't just bitch, where's the magic in that?

uhm.. yeah, sorry for that obnoxious ramble

Ethan
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kinda cute, gotta jet and mail some tapes, though..

http://www.imperialdub.com/DUBschematic.html

tata..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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"Tammy G." wrote:

> Expiration Date?  I don't think so.  Maybe YOU have lost it, or your
> scene has lost it, but the magic is still out there....
>
> 7+ years of ravin' and I'm feeling it, again,
>
> Tammy
> Kindred Groove, St. Louis

<Warning: excessive bitching content...>

He's from Ohio (as am I).  Ohio right now... to be quite honest.. fucking

sucks.  Well... anywhere south of Columbus.  There is almost no scene,
and what scene there is is shady and totally vibeless.  I'm not really
directing this at the *promoters* around here.. we have some good
promoters who really try to make things happen.  The problem with the
SW Ohio scene is the kids.  There are plenty of exceptions, but
exceptions
aside on average SW Ohio kids are some of the snobbiest, most drugged
out, least friendly party kids I've ever seen.

You may have read my post describing "shady white trash" at
Tranquility...
Well.. shady white trash tweekers are not the only problem.  I know this
doesn't sound very "plur" but here's a few observations and experiences:

At least half (that's being generous) of the kids at SW Ohio parties
would
not be having fun if they were not fucked up on drugs.  I don't think
that
using drugs is wrong or evil, but I don't have much respect for people
who simply can't have any fun without them.  I also don't have much
respect for people who completely fry their brains.

If they aren't your friend, nobody smiles at you at SW Ohio parties.  If
you
smile at someone on the dance floor, they just look away.  Like I said,
SW Ohio kids are some of the least friendly party kids I have ever seen.
Waaaaay too much of an attitude.

White trash... okay I know that's a stereotype but anyone who's ever
partied in Dayton, Springfield, Cincinnati, or anyplace in Ohio south of
Columbus (and even in Columbus sometimes) knows exactly what I'm
talking about.  Shady wannabe gangsters pushing drugs, defacing the
venue, and generally acting like obnoxious idiots.  (I call them
"TWiTs"...
Tweakers Without Teeth)

Kids around here do not support their scene.  They always constantly
bitch about there being no parties around here, yet they won't support
anyone who isn't already accepted.  New production companies around
here are usually greeted negatively.

Sorry for the bitching, but Ohio is just making me sick lately.
Tranquility
just made this worse... and I'm not talking about the problems the
promoters had.  I'm talking about the crowd.  Yuck...  I'm a pretty
tolerant
person, but to see this much bullshit and this many fucking annoying
sketchy people really pushes the limits of my tolerance.  It takes a lot
in terms of bad crowd quality for me to actually be this bothered by it.

The worst thing is that it is self-perpetuating.  When the quality of the

crowd gets this low, people who do have brains stop coming while
brainless white trash, seeing a place to congregate with their own
kind, being attending in increasing numbers.  This also leads to a
negative image for our culture in the media and in society, which in
turn attracts more and more of the wrong kinds of people.

I think the solution is for promoters around here to come down hard
against the shadiness and drugs, since the primary reason why most
shady rave trash attends is drugs (either to use or sell).  If promoters
were to come out with strict anti-drug policies and enforce them
against the obvious offenders, the effect would be to keep what drug
use is there appropriate and low key while driving away the people
who are *just* there for drugs.

I think there comes a time when you have to moderate "plur" a bit
and admit that there are certain people that we do *not* want to
include in our culture.  There are certain kinds of people who should
be excluded.. who should be made to feel unwelcome.

Some of this was the result of last weekend being crammed into
a small room full of such people.  I am seriously considering doing
what several of my friends have done: drawing a circle with a
radius of about Columbus/Louisville and deciding not to party
anywhere within that circle except under special circumstances.



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Hmmmm...
How to respond without flaming....

Firstly, I guess, I'd like to thank Carla for being a wonderful
hostess that provides a comfortable, clean place for my rave family
and me to stay.  I appreciate it greatly.  :)  

Secondly, I'd just like to reinforce my belief that all individuals
are unique and beautiful, and although we may not understand or agree
with someone else, their opinions are valid and worthy of respect--if
for no other reason than because we are all human.  Information
obtained in private is best kept private.  Words can hurt, and no one
deserves a public trashing of their character (whether true or
untrue).  Telling someone to "go home" only perpetuates feelings of
alienation, and that's not what the love is all about.

Thirdly, I agree that Omaha is a growing scene with much potential if
the attitudes are kept positive, however....I would hate to see only
positive reviews posted on this list.  There were many things at Its
All About the Love that weren't all that great, and only honest
reviews will help promoters see what the local kids want and expect in
the future.  

There are many Omaha kidds--and those of us close by--willing to pitch
in to help the scene.  But it takes us all, working together in love,
as a team, to make it work.

Stressing the U for Unity--
lil sarah




 

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Hey kid, have you seen this movie("SLAM")? I just saw a trailer for
it right before the "CUBE" .. It apparently won some nice
awards at sundance last year (I believe).. seem to be right up
your alley in regards to poetic lyricism, and looks to have great
directing/cinematography on top of all that... check it out if you
can find it (I know I will do the same ;)...

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o

whelp.. I'm off ta finally see Something about Mary... hope I'm
not wasting precious hours of my life with shit... we'll see




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Um ya, it's called "SLAM."  I haven't seen it but i heard bout it cuz
there was a screening in Detroit about a month ago.  I didn't get to go
but it sounds really intersting. Anyone have any reviews?  

bekka.

[.v/jek.] wrote:
> 
> Hey kid, have you seen this movie("SLAM")? I just saw a trailer for
> it right before the "CUBE" .. It apparently won some nice
> awards at sundance last year (I believe).. seem to be right up
> your alley in regards to poetic lyricism, and looks to have great
> directing/cinematography on top of all that...

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also there was something i forgot about and left out of my review but was
really really nice and unusual about his party... especially for someone used
to partying in chicago...
the water in the building was not only on but cold also  with drinking
fountains and free water with ice upstairs... wow compared to the $3 or $4
i've had to spend in the past for a tiny bottle this was just beautiful....
oh wellz 

plur
NNOthing

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I know that some of you saw this post a few weeks ago, but now its been
confirmed and I wanted to give a larger group of people the chance to respond.

This Thursday I am interviewing Dillion + Dickins of 99 North
(www.higherstate.co.uk) and wanted to "open the forum" to any of you who
might have questions for this pair of producers.

- AND -

This Friday I am interviewing Jimi Tenor and am taking "audience questions"
in advance.  Those of you who have already replied to this message before,
I have saved your replies and am using them to construct the notes for my
interview.



ALSO: 

It looks like I may have the chance to interview Cari Lekebusch.  What
questions would you ask Sweden's "Mr. Techno" if you could?


Thanks in advance for your help/support.
~> Textures 95.3 - Sweden - textures@techno.org - <~
~> ===== http:/remus.oru.se/racam/textures ===== <~
~> -----------------ICQ: 3157482------------------<~
~> "There's a strong relationship between music and  <~
~>  art.  It's not so much music or an art exactly,      <~
~>  it's lifestyle."                                 -Jeff Mills    <~

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A
>He's from Ohio (as am I).  Ohio right now... to be quite honest.. fucking
>
>sucks.  Well... anywhere south of Columbus.  There is almost no scene,
>and what scene there is is shady and totally vibeless.  I'm not really
>directing this at the *promoters* around here.. we have some good
>promoters who really try to make things happen.  The problem with the
>SW Ohio scene is the kids.  There are plenty of exceptions, but
>exceptions
>aside on average SW Ohio kids are some of the snobbiest, most drugged
>out, least friendly party kids I've ever seen.
>

It wasnt always this way...  and I remember awhile back hearing people
complain in Wisconsin about it being that way (there)... (They dont seem to
anymore.. so maybe there is hope for SW Ohio) Hopefully things will cycle
back around? Nuevo seemed like such a nice party but everything I have been
to since or heard about is so disappointing. Hopefully Solphuzion will be
different.


tad


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Well, I hate to blow your theory, but I have partied in Columbus,
Dayton, AND Cinci several times within the last year, and it was my
experience that the Ohio party kids have some of the best vibes in the
scene! Maybe because I am driving in from out of town, my mind is open
and I always meet tons of nice kids at parties there. So, put your bad
vibes away next time you are at a Southern Ohio party and meet some of
the nice ppl that party there!

I agree that excessive drug is undesirable, and in my opinion that is
happening pretty much everywhere. Just this year, "K" has invaded even
Kansas City, for example. I don't think promoters do enough to keep
excessive drug use down. The best thing they can do is to post security
guards anywhere that drug deals would be likely to go down, such as in
restorooms and parking lots. 

-- Robin 

Adam Ierymenko wrote:
> He's from Ohio (as am I).  Ohio right now... to be quite honest.. fucking
> 
> sucks.  Well... anywhere south of Columbus.  There is almost no scene,
> and what scene there is is shady and totally vibeless.  I'm not really
> directing this at the *promoters* around here.. we have some good
> promoters who really try to make things happen.  The problem with the
> SW Ohio scene is the kids.  There are plenty of exceptions, but
> exceptions
> aside on average SW Ohio kids are some of the snobbiest, most drugged
> out, least friendly party kids I've ever seen.
>

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 14:16:13 1999
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A flow of good drugs is often what makes or breaks a party. Like it or
not.

Just the facts...

- Jens


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> and to wrap it all up- net meet was really cool!  one second i thought it
> died, and all of a sudden we took a massive STL-RAVES photo!!!!!  whoa!!!!!
> any news on when that goes onto disk?  You know that goes right up 


FYI

I'll be posting the pics I took of that party in a few days, along with
the netmeet group photo.

Cheers,
_jason

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> A flow of good drugs is often what makes or breaks a party. Like it or
> not.
> 
> Just the facts...
> 
> - Jens
> 

Not true, I dont use drugs, I have been to all parties sober, but 
thats because I go to parties for the music, had the best times of 
my life sober, if you need drugs to have a good time, you better 
check yourself, cuz there is definitely something wrong with you..
Just my humble opinion...



Luke Monteiro

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>It wasnt always this way...  and I remember awhile back hearing people
>complain in Wisconsin about it being that way (there)... (They dont seem to
>anymore.. so maybe there is hope for SW Ohio) 

that's because wisconsin now has one party every 2 months, approximately.
Most of us have forgotten what raves are during the empty space between
parties, which explains the lack of complaints.

chris

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> A flow of good drugs is often what makes or breaks a party. Like it or
> not.
>
> Just the facts...
>
> - Jens

  I'm gonna have to agree with this.  I've been to way too many parties
that either made or broke because of the availability of good drugs
(mostly E).  And, to tell you the truth, I don't see why so many ravers
have such an anti-drug attitude.  Read any "history" of the party scene
written by party kids, medio, or whoever and one of the first things
mentioned after the music is the widespread of (communal) drug use.  Part
of what makes a party what it is is the group psychedelic experience.
It's nothing new, hence the many references to the party scene as an urban
tribe.  Do you think that those 3rd world cultures that we are finally
being taught to respect have some guy sitting off to the side of the fire
while everyone else is painted in freaked out colors getting down to
awesome rhythmic beats saying, I don't think you should smoke that shit.
Accept it, drug use is an integral part of our scene.  One of the reasons
I was so in love with it when I first found it was this very
ani-mainstream view.  I'm not saying that you, or anyone, should do
drugs.  Just that you should accept others decisions on this matter as
being their autonomous right and not condemn them for it.

Mage


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This is Luke Monteiro speaking, I have been involved in a new 
project based in Stockholm, Sweden, and right now, we have
been sharing promo packages with promoters all over the USA
and Europe, for those interested in receiving a promo package
including project info, mixtapes and booking info, please reply
privately to xtra@hempseed.com,  due to the limited amount of
promo material, we are not interested in sharing this with 
individuals, if interested, reply with promoter name, location, list 
of events you have done, as well as possible events for the future
including date/location, for those who have already received the 
promo package, thanks for the interest!! PROMOTERS ONLY!!


Truly yours,


L.M

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For those interested in analogue samples and stuff.

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erjones wrote:

> > A flow of good drugs is often what makes or breaks a party. Like it or
> > not.
> >
> > Just the facts...
> >
> > - Jens
>
>   I'm gonna have to agree with this.  I've been to way too many parties
> that either made or broke because of the availability of good drugs
> (mostly E).  And, to tell you the truth, I don't see why so many ravers
> have such an anti-drug attitude.  Read any "history" of the party scene
> written by party kids, medio, or whoever and one of the first things
> mentioned after the music is the widespread of (communal) drug use.  Part
> of what makes a party what it is is the group psychedelic experience.
> It's nothing new, hence the many references to the party scene as an urban
> tribe.  Do you think that those 3rd world cultures that we are finally
> being taught to respect have some guy sitting off to the side of the fire
> while everyone else is painted in freaked out colors getting down to
> awesome rhythmic beats saying, I don't think you should smoke that shit.
> Accept it, drug use is an integral part of our scene.  One of the reasons
> I was so in love with it when I first found it was this very
> ani-mainstream view.  I'm not saying that you, or anyone, should do
> drugs.  Just that you should accept others decisions on this matter as
> being their autonomous right and not condemn them for it.
>
> Mage

Drugs are not the problem.  The problem is people who are *just*
there for drugs, and the shadiness that that attracts.  If drugs were
legal or semi-legal there would be no problem associated with
their use, but since they are illegal they attract the wrong kinds of
people.

I'm not against drugs, I'm against shady people attracted by
drugs, and that's why I'd like to see the scene become a bit more
anti-drug (at least as "outer doctrine")... for purely utilitarian
reasons.



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Robin Urmanic wrote:

> Well, I hate to blow your theory, but I have partied in Columbus,
> Dayton, AND Cinci several times within the last year, and it was my
> experience that the Ohio party kids have some of the best vibes in the
> scene! Maybe because I am driving in from out of town, my mind is open
> and I always meet tons of nice kids at parties there. So, put your bad
> vibes away next time you are at a Southern Ohio party and meet some of
> the nice ppl that party there!
>

There are plenty of exceptions... as I said my letter could have been
a bit skewed to the negative by my last experience.

Good parties I've been to in SW Ohio (incomplete list and
in no particular order): Bass Reaction, Channel Jive (a bit
of a shady crowd, but not bad... about average), and Sensual.
I didn't go to Nuevo but I heard it was pretty good.  (I was in
Toronto getting stuck in a blizzard that weekend).

BTW... here's another observation I've made: in SW Ohio,
parties with higher door prices tend to have less shady
crowds and better vibes.  I don't know if the high prices maybe
keep some of the "white trash" types away or what.  I'm not
suggesting that promoters should charge more to promote a
good vibe.. I'm just making a neutral observation.

> I agree that excessive drug is undesirable, and in my opinion that is
> happening pretty much everywhere. Just this year, "K" has invaded even
> Kansas City, for example. I don't think promoters do enough to keep
> excessive drug use down. The best thing they can do is to post security
> guards anywhere that drug deals would be likely to go down, such as in
> restorooms and parking lots.

I can't stand K at parties.  It's not a party drug.  It makes you apathetic
and disengaged.  I don't understand why people want to do that stuff
at a party.  K has really invaded the scene around here, and in my opinion
is one of it's biggest problems right now.  It's cheap, easy to get, and for
some people seems to be very psychologically addictive.



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<rant>

i wasnt going to post on this party because id hate to make this chain any
longer but im infuriated and have a few things to say

first off, how you can possibly find in yourselves the capacity to blame
floorgasm for this is beyond me
they had  nice yet incredibly dirty and very large space which they lost to
the fire marshal at 7:00 pm so in all honesty i think you should ll be
impressed that the party even happened, its a pain in the fuckin ass to find
a space for a party let alone  space on 3 hours notice
as far as de la sol and their sound check well maybe if the limo driver had
gotten them to the space on time then you guys wouldnt have been out in the
cold so fucken long

i have been pissed at raver s a whole on many an occasion in my time in the
scene but never as much as i am now, you walk round preaching your PLUR
bullshit then you act like this :

at around midnight i went outside to see how large the crowd waiting outside
was upon which time i got to see the crowd rush the door chanting let us in
let us in, now i understand why you wanted inside and i feel ya on that part
but in the process you guys managed to cause harm to others

think bout your PLUR bullshit and then think about my friend harv who you
guys in the process of your little tirade broke her hands in two places, you
acted like a bunch of redneck jack asses at a rolling stones concert

i understand your opinions of floorgasm trying to just make money, but they
did do it for the kids, otherwise we wouldnt have been sneaking kids in the
back door all fuckin night even after the cops told us theyd shut it down if
we let anyone in

</rant>

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Responsible Drug Use should be an excepted part of this culture (just as
sobriety if you so chose). Irresponsible drug use should be frowned upon -
it's really a lack of respect for yourself if you push drugs to a "danger"
level.

But as long as everybody "respects" other peoples' choices, things will be
fine. If the rave scene would drop all the "rules" and get back to the "live
& let live" mentality things would be a lot more fun. 

Respect others' choices and they will respect yours. Just make sure you're
losing control when you go out, be it sober or high.
 
- Chad Sommer

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	erjones [SMTP:erjones@memphis.edu]
	Sent:	Wednesday, February 17, 1999 8:33 AM
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	> A flow of good drugs is often what makes or breaks a party. Like
it or
	> not.
	>
	> Just the facts...
	>
	> - Jens

	  I'm gonna have to agree with this.  I've been to way too many
parties
	that either made or broke because of the availability of good drugs
	(mostly E).  And, to tell you the truth, I don't see why so many
ravers
	have such an anti-drug attitude.  Read any "history" of the party
scene
	written by party kids, medio, or whoever and one of the first things
	mentioned after the music is the widespread of (communal) drug use.
Part
	of what makes a party what it is is the group psychedelic
experience.
	It's nothing new, hence the many references to the party scene as an
urban
	tribe.  Do you think that those 3rd world cultures that we are
finally
	being taught to respect have some guy sitting off to the side of the
fire
	while everyone else is painted in freaked out colors getting down to
	awesome rhythmic beats saying, I don't think you should smoke that
shit.
	Accept it, drug use is an integral part of our scene.  One of the
reasons
	I was so in love with it when I first found it was this very
	ani-mainstream view.  I'm not saying that you, or anyone, should do
	drugs.  Just that you should accept others decisions on this matter
as
	being their autonomous right and not condemn them for it.

	Mage

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Adam Ierymenko <api@snsworld.net>  said:

>Drugs are not the problem.  The problem is people who are *just*
>there for drugs, and the shadiness that that attracts.  If drugs were
>legal or semi-legal there would be no problem associated with
>their use, but since they are illegal they attract the wrong kinds of
>people.
	I agree, that part of the problem is the people who are attracted
to parties solely for the drugs, but I also believe that a bigger part of
the problem is people who are irresponsible about their drug use.  For
example,  there was a party that I was involved with that was located at a
local lounge-style bar.  We had rented the space for the evening so some
local dj's could spin, people could dance,  etc.  Anyway, this girl that I
know ended up at my house completely out of her head.  We had no idea what
the hell she had consumed to put her in this state.  She was only concious
part of the time, vomiting, not making any sense, and generally scaring the
shit out of us.  We found out later that she had just gotten dumped by her
boyfriend and had decided to eat mushrooms late in the afternoon.  (around
3-4 pm.)  Before the party (around 8-9pm) she did some Ketamine, and at the
party she apparently consumed a cocktail of MDMA, Methamphetamine, and
copious amounts of alchohol.  Around 3am she was completely out of her
head, but still convinced that she could drive.  We restrained her and
generally took care of her for the next couple of hours making sure she
didn't die or endanger herself or others  by driving.  She spent the
following week or so listening to people tell her what a jackass she was
and how lucky she was to be alive.

	A few months ago the same girl was at the bar with my roomate.  She
apparently did some Ketamine and started drinking.  She then started to
panic when she lost her vision ( k-hole! ) and lost feeling in the lower
half of her body.  My roomate got her outside in time to vomit
uncontrolably. She just couln't understand why this was happening to her.
Again, she got to listen to people tell her what an irresponsible ass she
was.  My point, people need to educate themselves about drugs before they
start blindly consuming anything that is presented to them.

>I'm not against drugs, I'm against shady people attracted by
>drugs, and that's why I'd like to see the scene become a bit more
>anti-drug (at least as "outer doctrine")... for purely utilitarian
>reasons.
	I'm not against  drugs either. I'm against stupidity,
irresponsibility, and a general lack of respect.   Respect for our scene,
respect for others, and respect for ourselves.  People need to learn that a
party is not a place to go score some trips.  People need to learn to be
discreet because others may not want to see them doing rails of glass on
the floor of some party.  People need to respect themselves and their
bodies enough to learn the facts before doing any sort of drug.  People
also need to be responsible enough to deal with the consequences of drug
use.

argh.. enough of my ranting.





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.    >
                                               <randomly stimulating>
		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >



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Who says lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place?

I've got a confirmed interview with Terrence Parker (K7 / Chisel /
Intangible Records).... I'm posting this to the lists to solicit for
questions.  Anyone have any ideas or input or things they'd like me to ask
Mr. Parker about?


-peter 

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 16:36:27 1999
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just wanted to waste more bandwith by saying that my best friends girlfriend
delivered there babby last night!!!!!!!.. this wouldnt be such a big deal if
the babby hadnt had a 95% chance of being still born.  ne way life is
bootyfull and god werks in mysterious wayz. 

pray,
Gabe

more info to follow as i retyrn to the hospital :)

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not that anyone cares and sorry to waste the bandwith with self promotion
but......

wanted to tell everyone todays my birthday !!!!! yay !!!!!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 16:46:41 1999
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Okay. It seems to me that there's some sort of event every weekend here in
Chicago. Fridays & Saturdays (and I don't want to count club events).

I'm just curious as to how many events happen per month in other areas of the
mid-west. Chicago is a wierd place and I think that the kids here get so many
events thrown at them, they become numb (dumb). 

p

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we here at rotate in windsor are proud to present channel 7 of our
remote control series.

channel 7.
friday. febuary 26th. 1999.
windsor. ontario.

terrence parker and friends..
-techno? tech-house? house? hip? disco?! does it matter?! cause we all
know when mr tp is behind the one and twos it gets no better! once
again, rotate is proud to present detroit's hottest and most provacative
progressive dance music mixer, dj extraordinare mr terrence parker. :)

an interesting side note on this event is that on this evening, tp will
be recording his set live for the release of his first mix cd of 1999
entitled "TP Live in '99 vol.#1"

this event is 19+ and limited capacity. cover will be 5$.

location. windsor press club.

for more info/directions check rot8.com later this week or call
519.254.2299/519.254.6229.

peace.

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     I agree.  it seems that people don't treat parties like the special 
     things they are anymore, simply beacaus there are just too many of 
     them.  I too am from Chicago, so I see your point.  How often is it 
     that there isn't a party every weekend in this city?  Sometimes 
     there's two of three on the same night!  That's why I only go to the 
     ones that look really good (Live on the Decks II baby!).  You no 
     longer need to look forward to a party happening because there's 
     always one happening!  I mean, how many promoters are there in 
     Chicago?  Nothing against the Teamsters, but you can see them every 
     weekend at one party or another.  Why would I want to pay $20 to see 
     DJ's that I just saw the weekend before?  and the weekend before that? 
      They're all very good, but variety is what I like about the rave 
     scene to begin with.  Again, I don't mean to single out the teamsters, 
     they're just the first ones that pop into my head at the moment.  I 
     think it's why people always seem to support the parties with 
     international acts.  They're DJ's we don't get to (forced to) see all 
     the time.  Just my two cents of course.
     
     rEalm


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Okay. It seems to me that there's some sort of event every weekend here in 
Chicago. Fridays & Saturdays (and I don't want to count club events).
     
I'm just curious as to how many events happen per month in other areas of the 
mid-west. Chicago is a wierd place and I think that the kids here get so many 
events thrown at them, they become numb (dumb). 
     
p
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 17 17:40:44 1999
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Yo if you are not doing anything tomorrow night (or even if you are) you can
come peep me and TP at some place called the Coyote Bar, I dont know what the
hell it is but here's how you get there:
1-75 to exit 34 (Sibley rd.)
go east to Allen rd.  
its on the corner of Sibley and Allen.
its 18+
the info line is (313) 210-4452
i dont know what the hell this place is like but go because the music will be
good (and otherwise I may get lonely =P)
peace, dd

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oh in detroit	 ehhehehe	 or close to that 	iguess

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A small event.  

It will be much fun.

We will have a projecting microscope.

I am electronic.

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Alpha
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Sponsored by Purdue Beat Society
February 26th, 1999
West Lafayette, IN (1 hour north of Indy off of I65)

Featuring Djs:

Unit-E (techno)
Beol (house)
Melville Jenkins (jungle)
EPROM (techno/electro)
Brian Stuart (techno)
Black Sausage (house)

Ambient Space by Ronald Bailey

University Church (320 North Street)
8pm-2am
4 dollars 
http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~puraves/
or
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questions?
email Adam, (meadowsa@ecn.purdue.edu), for answers
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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:15:04 -0800 (PST) ".chad m sponholz."
<chad@hyperreal.org> writes:

>does anyone make real smart drinks anymore?
>
>any vendors who sell cool stuff?
>
>send me your spiel.
>

Most venues these days don't  allow outside food & drink vendors.  
I think that's why you hardly see Smart Bars anymore.

My advice would be to go to GNC & Sam's Club & buy everything you need
to run your own Smart Bar / Candy booth.  Then get a trustworthy friend
to
run it.  This way you have a back-up source of income if the party were
to
have a low attendance.  The extra money from the Smart Bar could be the
difference between breaking even and losing money.

	Joe
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"B.O.R. Productions" wrote:

> not that anyone cares and sorry to waste the bandwith with self promotion
> but......
>
> wanted to tell everyone todays my birthday !!!!! yay !!!!!
>
> iySyS
> ensYd magazine
> B.O.R. Productions
> sister djs
>
> http://baroness.bluegrass.net
> http://ensyd.bluegrass.net
> http://www.djdazy.com/list.html
>
> "Real heads don't use acronyms to encapsulate a feeling, a love, and a
> passion for their music and culture."  -- Kidentropy

It's mine too!!! Happy birthday!



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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:20:28 -0600 "Luke Monteiro" <xtra@hempseed.com>
writes:

>Date sent:      	Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:21:00 -0600
>From:           	Jens Meulengracht <jens@idir.net>
>To:             	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject:        	[mw] drugs
>
>> A flow of good drugs is often what makes or breaks a party. Like it 
>or
>> not.
>> 
>> Just the facts...
>> 
>> - Jens
>> 
>
>Not true, I dont use drugs, I have been to all parties sober, but 
>thats because I go to parties for the music, had the best times of 
>my life sober, if you need drugs to have a good time, you better 
>check yourself, cuz there is definitely something wrong with you..
>Just my humble opinion...
>
>

Your'e both right & your'e both wrong.

I've been to parties where the primary drugs in circulation were E &
Acid, and those parties usually have a good vibe.

However, when Crystal, K or Coke are in widespread use, then the parties
are usually horrible.

Although I'm not against drugs, I do feel that widespread drug use at
parties is generally a bad thing.
Mostly due to the following:

	1) Drug dealers are ultimately shady.  Shady people don't belong
at raves.
	
	2) Drugs are illegal (even if they shouldn't be).  As long as
drugs are illegal, and they play 
	    a large part in raves, we will never get respect from the
authorities.

My advice concerning raves & drugs:

	1) If you are taking drugs just to stay awake - take caffeine or
other over
	    the counter supplements instead (herbal preferred).

	2) Do not buy or sell drugs at parties.  If you must have them,
get them before you come.

	3) If you are a tweeker or addict, stay home until you get your
shit together.

	4) Know your limits and don't be a fool.

	5) Be discrete in all circumstances.



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> >
>
> Most venues these days don't  allow outside food & drink vendors.
> I think that's why you hardly see Smart Bars anymore.
>
> My advice would be to go to GNC & Sam's Club & buy everything you need
> to run your own Smart Bar / Candy booth.  Then get a trustworthy friend
> to
> run it.  This way you have a back-up source of income if the party were
> to
> have a low attendance.  The extra money from the Smart Bar could be the
> difference between breaking even and losing money.
>
>         Joe

Selling your own water will make an even bigger difference than smart drinks
and candy.  Any promoter whose ever done it can attest to this.

Mage


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this is good... I've got a good segue to ask a question...

you read alot about flashbacks or afteraffects from the popular media...
whether or not that is a scare tactic is beyond me...

what i do notice and have been trying to research... yet can figure out what
the fuck to call it... is the noticeable effects that happen after using any
hard psychedelic for a long time...  (try searching for flashback or trail.
i've learned as much as i can about grapenuts and a jaguar chasing me halfway
across the screen.)

i.e. 
trail and tracers - visual distortion - is this retinal damage from the pupils
susecptible to the sun?  or something far more sinister... negative
afterimages on your pupils after a mere three seconds of staring at
something...  occasional semi-blackouts...

any one have any relevant info that might help a brother out on a quest of
understanding?

thanks

entro

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>Um ya, it's called "SLAM."  I haven't seen it but i heard bout it cuz   
>there was a screening in Detroit about a month ago.  I didn't get to go 
>but it sounds really intersting. Anyone have any reviews?               


not really rave related.. but this was an excellent movie.  i caught it in
the theator with my roomate (we caught a late night showing so the theator
was basically empty and it felt like our living room had just expanded..)
it delt well with a lot of issues (views on drugs, inner-city life,
violence, alternatives to violence, gangs, etc) but it didn't seek to
resolve the issues, just to deal with them. there were parts of the movie
that were beautiful and inspiring--the "slam" scene in the prison was
incredible. there were parts of it that were obviously on low budget, but
those parts were small.

for another review of it check..
http://infoplease.com/ipea/A0767256.html


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Oh, Dave... This aint Detroit.... Tis the white trash mecca that I am
from, otherwise known as "Downriver". YOU, my friend, are in for a
treat!!!  Who's putting this on anyways??? I saw the flyer, and cant
figure out why the hell someone would want to do this there!!!

derek.

DJDiscoD69@aol.com wrote:

> oh in detroit    ehhehehe        or close to that       iguess


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> >I'm not against drugs, I'm against shady people attracted by
> >drugs, and that's why I'd like to see the scene become a bit more
> >anti-drug (at least as "outer doctrine")... for purely utilitarian
> >reasons.
>         I'm not against  drugs either. I'm against stupidity,
> irresponsibility, and a general lack of respect.   Respect for our scene,
> respect for others, and respect for ourselves.  People need to learn that a
> party is not a place to go score some trips.  People need to learn to be
> discreet because others may not want to see them doing rails of glass on
> the floor of some party.  People need to respect themselves and their
> bodies enough to learn the facts before doing any sort of drug.  People
> also need to be responsible enough to deal with the consequences of drug
> use.
>

If there are people who need to learn, then that means that there are other
people who need to teach.  FACT:  all truths are not self-evident.  Most people
with views about drugs in which responsibility plays a major role got there by
learning the hard way.  So, the next time you see some kid way too fucked up at
a party, hope he learns, don't hope he disappears.

Mage


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PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> Okay. It seems to me that there's some sort of event every weekend here in
> Chicago. Fridays & Saturdays (and I don't want to count club events).
>
> I'm just curious as to how many events happen per month in other areas of the
> mid-west. Chicago is a wierd place and I think that the kids here get so many
> events thrown at them, they become numb (dumb).
>
> p

Memphis -- 3-4 parties/month (avg.)

Mage



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has anybody else noticed their pants are shrinking? mine are, =/
they're getting shorter. maybe it's because i didn't wash them before
i sewed them. they were the perfect length before. i've got
greenish-grey pants with black cuffs because i had to add extra
fabric. back in high school or whenever my pants were tighter (a long
time ago), i guess i didn't notice them shrinking because they were
already a little long + the cuffs were small enough to stay up around
my ankles. or maybe they shrunk beforehand from acid washing. does
anybody have acid washed phat pants? i've never seen them + don't know
if i'd actually want a pair but it would definitely be a fashion
experiment. i'm planning other fashion experiments right now.

pre-rave history fact:

the STROBE LIGHT was invented by dr. harold edgerton in 1931, because
he wanted to be able to view high speed machinery in motion better.

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     I always wash my poants in HOT water a couple of times before I cut 
     them.  It totally eliminates the shrinkage issue.  Sucks though when 
     you're dying to wear that new pair of Kikwears you just bought...
     
     rEalm
     (just make them into shorts, summer is around the corner.)


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     has anybody else noticed their pants are shrinking? mine are, =/ 
     they're getting shorter. maybe it's because i didn't wash them before 
     i sewed them. they were the perfect length before. 
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good stuff entro...

> you read alot about flashbacks or afteraffects from the popular media...
> whether or not that is a scare tactic is beyond me...

dunno...i have had some weird stuff happen to me
 
> i.e. 
> trail and tracers - visual distortion - is this retinal damage from the pupils
> susecptible to the sun?  or something far more sinister... negative
> afterimages on your pupils after a mere three seconds of staring at
> something...  occasional semi-blackouts...
> 
> any one have any relevant info that might help a brother out on a quest of
> understanding?

no, except my own personal revelations. 

certain thing seem to cause some of the visual effects of acid to return
for me. for example, the table design at the local China Buffet. For some
reason it kicks in what my fiancee and i call "the xmas wrapping paper
effect." (when everything gets more colorful and you see tiny geometric
designs, like the designs on that shiny foil xmas paper) this same effect
i have only experienced while on hard psychedelics.

as of late, i have been seeing things when i get very tired as well. and
these things go beyond the normal eye tricks that happen when you are
tired. animals morph into view, people appear out of nowhere, etc. this
has been most common while driving at night...

and sometime last week, i suddenly saw things SPECIFICALLY like i was on a
trip. i was at work, and then BOOM!!! i was tripping. it lasted about a
minute or so, but just enough to make me wonder...

with all the discussions about the dreams (sorry i can't remember who it
was), it makes me wonder what effect psychedelics have on your dreams...

bom shankar!
--boo


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Okay, my bad.....I talked to Pat and Jimmy, and they said to leave their 
booking number, if you want a tape, call it, k?

THC
1-800-938-0897

or for those who love to pay the phone bill, call...

816-688-4354

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  I'm not gonna waste this lists bandwidth or time with petty drama that Mark
wants to bring to this scene... but  I j ust wanna clear the air with some
truth instead of lies like some people.
If you don't care for drama, delete this now.... but ife truth instead of lies
like some people.
If you don't care for drama, delete this no you wanna hear a funny story read
on.


    to start off....  I let Mark come and start a new life at my expense at my
pad... Las vegas spit him out cuz he brought drama to their scene, now he's
here doing it again... for someone who doesn't like drama, he sure embraces
it.  So I bring him into my home, and he walks all over me and my home without
respect to either.... everyone I talked to said they woulda kicked his ass out
on the street, but I let him stay.... and he could still come back if he was
sincere about it.... the fact is, I love everybody for who they are, not for
what they do.... hint hint Mark.
  Another thing, I didn't have fone sex with you, you had it with me you sick
lil perv....  And if it has any bearing with you in real life, ewww, i'd not
like to think about you and your gimp fetishes.
I have talked with numerous kids in LV, and they LOVE to inform me about you,
the stuff you cared not to inform us or anyone on the list about... but I'll
keep it private, cuz I'm oh so nice.
(you all can email me privately tho if ya REALLY wanna know ;p   )
    Anyways, you can try and start drama with me involved, but its not gonna
work.... I have my friends (oh those kc friends that you think we wouldn't
have met with without you, well... sean met their other friends at that party
and we would've met them later in the night eventually.)   and they all know
the truth... hell, some of them even helped me find some dirt on you from LV..
(ahh how sweeeet!).   SO you and your high and mighty I love my new Omaha
scene self can go and shove it, cuz your as fake as they come.   But we still
love you and will take you back in at any time.   I wanted to tell sarah, but
she's so up your ass right now, I'll let her find out for herself... We still
love her too, she's just as welcome at my house as anyone else.   And
hopefully when this all over with, we'll be back to normal.     
   About the party.... we respect the local talent here.... sorry that alot of
them didn't spin that party like we had hoped.....  I'm sorry, but ANY  self
respecting party kid knows music, and what was spun at the begining of the
night was not "rave" music, but commercial junk food shoved down our throats
with as much tlent as a mix cd.   I guess that was to appease all those
awesome beer ravers that outnumbered all the real ravers by as much as 5:1.
I have to definately give it up to the true artists of the night who salvaged
that party artiscally who were buried at those late night time slots....
convenient enuff that 80% of the non-knowing party heads left... guess they
were out of beer.     
     I didn't see you raising any roofs late at night.... oh and I can't dance
cuz ... duh... doctors orders... I got in a car accident if your selective
memory doesn't serve you right.... and I'm not supposed to be out of bed, much
less out partying.   
    Probably the only people who knew what was up were the ones still there
when Dan Deliverance, Pt Size and the jungle (which was so conviently buried
at an early morning timeslot cuz the beer crowd wouldn't appreciate it)  was
slapped on and brought the already high vibe thru the roof..  Yeah near the
end of the night while the jungle was on there was like 15 people on the floor
dancin, but they had more spirit than 300 beer wannabes anyday.
THAT's what partying is about.... not how well some girl can take off her
pants and booty dance cuz that's oh sooooo chique anyways.

	And yer comment on the dc scene and how toronto is better... nahhh... i don't
even need to stick up for this 1.... Urb did it .. Rated #1 scene in north
America.... And yes, we know people who been to totonto, even sean has, and
yes, if you dig happyhardcore, then canada is ths place for you.  But How many
canadians do I see in dc, alot more than dc kids in canda i can assure of
that.

	 Oh, and the comment about why not do sumpin or shut up, well,.... we have...
Our crew has already finished all neccesary preparations for the 1st TRU
massive of unseen proportions in omaha metro history.     none of this petty
shit.   we're taking it to the next level with national, INTERNATIONAL (wow in
Omaha!?? never) , live p.a.'s, and local flavah to boot.... You know we ain't
talkin shit bout this, you were still with us when we first brought the idea
up.... Like it or not Omaha, its comin, and ohhh, its comin sooon.... with or
without your support....  Cuz this clique scene is bout to see what an
uninhibited, not for the mass appeal, str8 out massive production in
conjunction with a couple other non local crews can do.   Oh, and pass the
word, no beer at this lil swaray.  All we have left to do is get the flyers dc
mailed over and soon enuff you'll all have 1 hanging on your wall.   So come
1, come all, or don't come at all... We already know who's gonna make up the
major contigent of party goers, and trust me, we ain't countin on the local
kids to fill up  our  joint,  this is 1 that people will drive forever to get
to.... and actually wanna stay.   ANd as for some of you local omaha dj's,
some of you have already been aproached  and have agreed.... so don't say
we're doin this to spite the scene, oh no, this is goin to be the revolution
for the scene.  the next step no 1    even cared to do.       
And it will be here....


s				o				o			n

so save your petty whining for some1 that cares.  I don't see what whining to
the list like a lil baby gets you... no 1 cares, not even me.... I live my
life the way I want to, and I still have friends that care for me....  what do
you have left in LV? Debts? Grudges? Enemies?  Well, you can always say you
have a friend right here in Omaha with us, but you even turned your back away
from that.  Not much to say after that.  You guys are welcome to stop by for
our weekly house party.

     so screw the so called flame war, it never began, it ends here... at
least on the list.   If ya wanna do it, do it like a man to my face.... I
don't need a bunch of faceless names on a list to back me up, i got true to
life blood and friends.    
Stop the hate, 
peace, love and grease.
carla 
a proud member of
Beat On It! SoundSystems DC


now its up to you.... are you true?

drama or vibe.

We'll see what you're really about soon enuff.

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At 10:34 17-2-99 -0500, Adam Ierymenko wrote:

>Drugs are not the problem.  The problem is people who are *just*
>there for drugs, and the shadiness that that attracts.  If drugs were
>legal or semi-legal there would be no problem associated with
>their use, but since they are illegal they attract the wrong kinds of
>people.

Out here with the semi-legality you mention we still have a nice shade of
shadiness.

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Those effects were always there, you just notice them more now because you
have a new context to place them in.

The only thing staring at the sun will give you are blind spots, which you
can't see anyway.

________________________________
Chris Wundram
c-wundram@taltrade.com 

> i.e. 
> trail and tracers - visual distortion - is this retinal 
> damage from the pupils
> susecptible to the sun?  or something far more sinister... negative
> afterimages on your pupils after a mere three seconds of staring at
> something...  occasional semi-blackouts...
> 
> any one have any relevant info that might help a brother out 
> on a quest of
> understanding?
> 
> thanks
> 
> entro
> 

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hehe this guy freddy....well its like this.......I'm getting paid, its with
terrence...sooo uhhh uhhh i dont know hehe just go so im not too scared, ok?
=)
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<< Oh, Dave... This aint Detroit.... Tis the white trash mecca that I am
 from, otherwise known as "Downriver". YOU, my friend, are in for a
 treat!!!  Who's putting this on anyways??? I saw the flyer, and cant
 figure out why the hell someone would want to do this there!!!
 
 derek. >>

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I moved away from Cincinnati a little less than a year ago, and I moved 
to KC.  The kids out here are awesom, compared to Cincy.  All they ever 
want is money, or to borrow your car, or have you drive to a party, 
which they say they'll pay you $100 after they sell 10 jars of pills at 
a party 5 hours away, when you didn't want to go in the first place.  
Then don't pay you, refuse to leave until they want to, even though they 
didn't drive, and sleep the whole way home, with me, falling asleep at 
the wheel.  All in all, I don't like much of the Cincy kids I knew.  
Although there are many exceptions.  My friends who through FIX It in 
Nov. two years ago, they were on top of things.  The whole part of that 
party was to try and fix the Cincy scene.  The hard part about Cicncy is 
that the venues are soooo hard to find.  As it is in any city.  Don't 
get my wrong, i liked Cincy, but I was going down with the city, so I 
had to move.

What I love about KC is that the people here are soo nice, although we 
have our sketchy characters.  The people seem to be more goal oriented, 
and know what they want to do.  We also have the ever present drama.  I 
am happy I moved to KC, because we may have a small scene, but we don't 
have the problems that large promoters have.  I love the Omaha and 
Lawerence kids too.  

that is all i have to say, thx!!

Crystal

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i live in columbus, oh and there's probably stuff going on every weekend 
there's only parties like maybe 2-3 times a month, but a club called redzone, and another one called mecca are always having like djs and all that
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erjones <erjones@memphis.edu> said:

>Most people
>with views about drugs in which responsibility plays a major role got there by
>learning the hard way.  So, the next time you see some kid way too fucked
>up at
>a party, hope he learns, don't hope he disappears.

amen.  an even better path would be to try to help and teach.  we can all
be like timothy leary and alexander shulgin.







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I am on this same quest after ingesting quarts of LSD.  Check out
www.imperialdub.com and go to the Ministry of Love link and I believe the
article is called BE Here Now.  It explains a lot about LSD and why it does
the things it does.  I have had flashbacks and they are not scare tactics.
Good luck on your quest and lemme know what you find out.
willebear@mindspring.com

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Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 1:30 PM
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>this is good... I've got a good segue to ask a question...
>
>you read alot about flashbacks or afteraffects from the popular media...
>whether or not that is a scare tactic is beyond me...
>
>what i do notice and have been trying to research... yet can figure out
what
>the fuck to call it... is the noticeable effects that happen after using
any
>hard psychedelic for a long time...  (try searching for flashback or trail.
>i've learned as much as i can about grapenuts and a jaguar chasing me
halfway
>across the screen.)
>
>i.e.
>trail and tracers - visual distortion - is this retinal damage from the
pupils
>susecptible to the sun?  or something far more sinister... negative
>afterimages on your pupils after a mere three seconds of staring at
>something...  occasional semi-blackouts...
>
>any one have any relevant info that might help a brother out on a quest of
>understanding?
>
>thanks
>
>entro


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o.k..so who would date me....i'm bored..so i've decided to put this 
question to the test......if you would drop me a line..if you wouldn't 
drop me a line.......just wanna see the results..get some laughs out of 
the whole thing..actually i haven't slept in like 3 dayz..so i'm a 
little slappy....that's why i'm playing this little 
game.....come..on...i wanna see..who would date me...i wanna see..who 
wouldn't date..me...it should be fun folks..be honest.....

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The subject line sez it all....


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>o.k..so who would date me....i'm bored..so i've decided to put this 
>question to the test......if you would drop me a line..if you wouldn't 
>drop me a line.......just wanna see the results..get some laughs out of 
>the whole thing..actually i haven't slept in like 3 dayz..so i'm a 
>little slappy....that's why i'm playing this little 
>game.....come..on...i wanna see..who would date me...i wanna see..who 
>wouldn't date..me...it should be fun folks..be honest.....
>
>******************************************************
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>*  the cry of 10,000 babies..muzik was the lamb      *
>*   that made a lion outta me"---Esthero             *
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>Well, I hate to blow your theory, but I have partied in Columbus,
>Dayton, AND Cinci several times within the last year, and it was my
>experience that the Ohio party kids have some of the best vibes in the
>scene! 

yeah, a precious few of us... and we know who we are.
fer the most part the kids here are mean, selfish, habitual drug users,
and are just down right unlikable.  i'm speaking from experience.  i know
these kids. they might be nice to you when yer there to witness their
behavior, but behind yer back, it's a totally different story.  
what crystal said pretty much fit ther bill as far as dayton kids go too.
 hell, most ravers i know are like that.  yeah, fuck the rave scene...
i'm goin line dancin.

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how can you say that one drug is okay while the other is bad?  all drugs are
illegal.  all drugs put you in an altered state......i dont understand where
you are coming from.  personally, i'd rather talk to someone tweeking rather
than someone rolling or tripping.  at least a somewhat intelligent
conversation can be held.



liz

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>
>Your'e both right & your'e both wrong.
>
>I've been to parties where the primary drugs in circulation were E &
>Acid, and those parties usually have a good vibe.
>
>However, when Crystal, K or Coke are in widespread use, then the parties
>are usually horrible.
>
>Although I'm not against drugs, I do feel that widespread drug use at
>parties is generally a bad thing.
>Mostly due to the following:
>
> 1) Drug dealers are ultimately shady.  Shady people don't belong
>at raves.
>
> 2) Drugs are illegal (even if they shouldn't be).  As long as
>drugs are illegal, and they play
>     a large part in raves, we will never get respect from the
>authorities.
>
>My advice concerning raves & drugs:
>
> 1) If you are taking drugs just to stay awake - take caffeine or
>other over
>     the counter supplements instead (herbal preferred).
>
> 2) Do not buy or sell drugs at parties.  If you must have them,
>get them before you come.
>
> 3) If you are a tweeker or addict, stay home until you get your
>shit together.
>
> 4) Know your limits and don't be a fool.
>
> 5) Be discrete in all circumstances.
>
>
>
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hahaha....  i can't wait... mwraves dating service.. 1-800-hot-sexx.





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>
>
>
>o.k..so who would date me....i'm bored..so i've decided to put this
>question to the test......if you would drop me a line..if you wouldn't
>drop me a line.......just wanna see the results..get some laughs out of
>the whole thing..actually i haven't slept in like 3 dayz..so i'm a
>little slappy....that's why i'm playing this little
>game.....come..on...i wanna see..who would date me...i wanna see..who
>wouldn't date..me...it should be fun folks..be honest.....
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there's an article in today's (17 feb 99) cleveland plain dealer
called "rave review for the rave scene."
it is a very positive article, although fairly naive. i think it was
written by a kid (though since its in the "news for teens" section) so
you can't really expect an advanced level of journalism. it appears to
be the first-hand account of somebody's first party. it provides some
effective testimony against stereotypes about drug use, and other
things, and it quotes people talking about "the vibe". =] but there is
very little information about the music, and what information is there
looks completely unresearched, as in, the author probably asked
whoever was standing next to her, "what kind of music is this?" then
wrote her immediate impression of it as a definition. i don't have
time to type it out right now, and i couldn't find it on the web. if
somebody can find it can you post it please? otherwise, i'll type it
out tomorrow. i'm also going to e-mail the plain dealer (i'm a little
surprised, since its usually more on the conservative side) and thank
them for publishing the article and i'll also make a couple of
suggestions for topics of future articles, i.e. the music, and hint at
more appropriate and in-
depth research.

-elias
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hello im phillip charles prentice a student at mths, I saw the info on 
the mac music seminar on the 11th of february but i didnt see the email 
until it was too late i need some info on using macintosh computers for 
music editing,sampling,sequencing,all that nice shareware that i've been 
hearing about i am in a low budget school so i would appreciate any info 
on  mac drum machine shareware,or payware musical programs and 
applications thank you for your time (ibm clone programs are cool too)
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hey i had to interview a small buisness for school so i sent some 
questions to several minne promoters and here is one of the responses 
from nicolas at soul theology i liked reading it so here it is for you


>To: "Phillip Prentice" <angylduzt@hotmail.com>
>From: nwill@pressenter.com (nicolas)
>Subject: Re: enterpeneur questions
>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:20:10 -0600
>
>sorry the answers are short
>
>
>>>what is the name of your buiseness
>>>Soul Theology Productions
>>>
>when did you start
>>>6-13-98
>>>
>what was your intention in starting this buisness
>>>To establish a better music scene in minnesota. The dance culture of
>Minneapolis and other cities near us has diminished over the last 
coupled
>years, and we're trying to bring peeps back together that music and 
friends
>can create 
>a culture.
>>>
>how did you get started
>>>music music music and love
>>>
>what obsticles have you run into 
>>>being young (18-18-18) we have run into obstacles such as finding 
venues for
>our events. In the beginning it was hard to get people to understand 
what we
>were really doing. After our event "Sabbath Night" on 11-14-98 we 
stepped up
>a rung and people began to notice that we were really there.
>>>what has inspired you and kept you going?
>The countless thank you's and smiles we see on our kid's faces. We're
>establishing a new vibe in the area, and kids are starting to get out 
more
>and recognize the new kind of things that are out there.
>>>
>>>
>when did you start seeing turnover($) for your efforts
>>>Profit is NOT what we're about. We're all about bringing peeps 
together
>and recognizing music and friends.
>>>what has helped you 
>Countless friends and relatives who are willing to give us the lifts we 
need
>at times. Be it investments or connections.
>>>
>how would you describe your buisness now
>>>young and growing. There is a definite future for us here in the Twin 
Cities.
>>>
>>>
>>>what has changed since you began your buisness
>organization and experience
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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in "future shock" by alvin toffler, there is an interesting
architectural idea described + it sounds like this space would be
ideal for a party (or an amusement park, house, museum, various other
uses), but i don't know if it still exists or where it is. this is
from the book:
-------------------------------------------------------
  The English theatrical producer Joan Littlewood...
wanted a theater in which versatality might be maximized, in which she
might present anything from an ordinary play to a political rally,
from a performance of dance to a wrestling match--preferably all at
the same time. She wanted, as the critic Reyner Banham has put it, a
"zone of total probability." The result was a fantastic plan for the
"Fun Palace," otherwise known as the "First Giant Space Mobile in the
World." The plan calls not for a multi-purpose building, but for what
is, in effect, a larger than life-sized Erector Set, a collection of
modular parts that can be hung together in an almost infinite variety
of ways. More or less "permanent" vertical towers house various
services--
such as toilets and electrnic control units--and are topped by gantry
cranes that lift the modules into position and assemble them to form
any temporary configuration desired. After an evening's entertainment,
the cranes come out, disassemble the auditoria, exhibition halls and
restaurants, and store them away. 
  Here is the way Reyner Banham describes it: "...the Fun Palace is a
piece of ten-year-expendable urban equipment...Day by day this giant
neo-Futurist machine will stir and reshuffle its movable parts--walls
and floors, ramps and walks, steerable escalators, seating and
roofing, stages and movie screens, lighting and sound
systems--sometimes with only a small part walled in, but with the
public poking about the exposed walks and stairs, pressing buttons to
make things happen themselves.
-------------------------------------------------------
trippy huh? =]

-elias



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haha, I love how every post on this list begins with "sorry to waste bandw=
idth
but.."

anyway.. a few posts back, in an unrelated item, I talked about throwing t=
his
dream partie.. and a lot of stuff has come together since then.  I just
thought I=92d explain what the deal is at the moment.  Please read this.. =
it=92d
make a kid happy.

me and a friend or two are organizing an event to be held in Detroit on Au=
gust
21st.  We have a few confirmed DJs (Disco D, Whistle Boi, Chris Roby..) an=
d we
are working on getting Angel Alanis and Dieselboy.  Oh yeah, and if anyone=
 has
any info on Dieselboy (any #'s, addresses.. where he's residing at the mom=
ent,
how much he charges.. etc.) that'd be great if you could let me know.

This is our (our name is Consoul Productions) first party, and despite the
fact that I=92ve been researching this NON-STOP for a long time, I=92m sur=
e
there's still TONS of stuff that I don't know, that would be useful.  So,
basically, I=92m asking all the people on this list to give me there input=
.
I want to know what you like about parties.. what you don't like.  What th=
e
major thing that attracts you to them.. any reasons why you DON'T go to
certain parties.. also, if you want to contribute information specific to =
this
party (i.e. any DJ contact info... any spaces you know of [we think we
probably have a space, but we are open to EVERYTHING right now], travel
company info.. etc. etc.)

anyway, thanks for reading this.  I'm trying to take every step of this fr=
om a
partiekid point of view.. to insure the best experience for the real kids =
out
there.  I'm sure there's something on that oddly formed list I just made t=
hat
you can contribute.  Stop, think about it.. it'd be a great help.
thanks a lot.


- charles tillinghast -


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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, SYCJIX wrote:

> how can you say that one drug is okay while the other is bad?  all drugs are
> illegal. 

so illegal=bad and legal=good?  What a delightfully simple heuristic to
operate on!  

> all drugs put you in an altered state......i dont understand where

Is it conversely true that all substances that put you in an altered state
are by definition a drug.  What reference state are you using as the
"unaltered state?"  Sleep (what stage)?  Awake?  Dead?  A month of
drinking only water and eating oat bran?

Is oxygen the most powerful "drug" known to man?  It certainly does
transform a harmless piece of "randomly" connected cells into a powerful
device, does it not?

> you are coming from.  personally, i'd rather talk to someone tweeking rather
> than someone rolling or tripping.  at least a somewhat intelligent

Great for you.

People, how many drug conversations do we have to suffer through before we
understand that things are NOT as simple as drugs=bad, no drugs=bad?  I
know that makes dealing with them so much easier but if you want to sound
like you know what you are talking about, you are going to have to develop
a more sophisticated attitude through research, personal experiences, and
your own comfort level with risk/bliss/loss of control/personal self
control.  Then you can feel safe in making a personal decision.  You still
cannot speak for someone that you are not and have no understanding of.

no more on this subject,
adam


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what the fuck is shit like this doing on the list???????

just wonderin
NNOthing

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  You have some anger issues that you need to deal with... :)
>
>what the fuck is shit like this doing on the list???????
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Hiya

Luke said...

<snip>

> I dont use drugs, I have been to all parties
>sober, but  thats because I go to parties for the music, had >the
best times of my life sober, if you need drugs to have a >good time,
you better check yourself, cuz there is definitely >something wrong
with you..
>Just my humble opinion...

>Luke Monteiro

Yeah, I have to agree.
I'd much rather spend my money on vinyl than on chemicals. (Buyin'
records is truly addictive.)

Out of interest, a number of people have asked me what I'm on when out
dancing/DJing, cos I look like I'm enjoying myself so much - goes to
show you can have a good time without the "assistance".

Oh - better introduce myself, since I'm new to the list.
Yes, I'm a DJ.  I play long stormin' eclectic sets, ie a mix of
everything from UK trance to schmoozin' house to pounding techno to
dark drum 'n bass.  Whatever feels good and fits and turns the crowd on.

I've organised about 25-30 raves in sizes small to XXXL over the past
three years.

Fave DJs/labels include ...oh, lots... Jeff Mills (saw him live last
year), Adam Beyer, DJ Sneak, David Harrow (Technossomy), Doc Scott,
Optical, Platipus (Simon Berry is a genius), Eve, Carl Cox, Sasha,
Paul van Dyk, Primate, V... and many more.

I'm actually not from the MW, I'm from a little country called New
Zealand (where?) with a  vibrant and educated scene.  I'm hoping to
relocate to somewhere in the USA in the next year or so.

happy daze

helix  :-)



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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Douglas Mcclintock wrote:

> with all the discussions about the dreams (sorry i can't remember who it
> was), it makes me wonder what effect psychedelics have on your dreams...

after only using acid a few times...i've noticed _some_ change in dream
patterns.  pre-psychedelic experience, i've had more lucid and vivid
dreams with little to no revelation or obvious symbolism.

post psychedelic experience i've had less frequent lucid dreams.
also, dream recall seems to be affected (possibly because i've slacked on
trying to recall them) however, i've had some very wierd dreams dealing
with foreign concept and emotion (with no earthly symbolism to go by)
really strange, but tells me that human emotion is not the end all-be-all
of what feelings one can potentially experience.

how exciting!

peace,
Chad


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oh please.  look who's trying to sound intelligent.  how dare you try and
tell me that i do not know what im talking about.  you dont know me.

i think you are funny.  you are trying to make me look like a fool by going
way too far into what i said and twisting it into something that you know i
did not intend.  you know what i meant by the post.

as far as the whole drugs good/bad thing..where did i ever state that?  you
don't know my opinion on the whole drug issue.  how dare you say that i
cannot have an opinion on this because i dont have the knowledge.  how would
you know?

with most respect..
liz

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From: adm eows <meadowsa@ecn.purdue.edu>
To: SYCJIX <sycjix@uti.com>
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>
>
>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, SYCJIX wrote:
>
>> how can you say that one drug is okay while the other is bad?  all drugs
are
>> illegal.
>
>so illegal=bad and legal=good?  What a delightfully simple heuristic to
>operate on!
>
>> all drugs put you in an altered state......i dont understand where
>
>Is it conversely true that all substances that put you in an altered state
>are by definition a drug.  What reference state are you using as the
>"unaltered state?"  Sleep (what stage)?  Awake?  Dead?  A month of
>drinking only water and eating oat bran?
>
>Is oxygen the most powerful "drug" known to man?  It certainly does
>transform a harmless piece of "randomly" connected cells into a powerful
>device, does it not?
>
>> you are coming from.  personally, i'd rather talk to someone tweeking
rather
>> than someone rolling or tripping.  at least a somewhat intelligent
>
>Great for you.
>
>People, how many drug conversations do we have to suffer through before we
>understand that things are NOT as simple as drugs=bad, no drugs=bad?  I
>know that makes dealing with them so much easier but if you want to sound
>like you know what you are talking about, you are going to have to develop
>a more sophisticated attitude through research, personal experiences, and
>your own comfort level with risk/bliss/loss of control/personal self
>control.  Then you can feel safe in making a personal decision.  You still
>cannot speak for someone that you are not and have no understanding of.
>
>no more on this subject,
>adam
>


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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, SYCJIX wrote:

> how can you say that one drug is okay while the other is bad?  all drugs are
> illegal.  all drugs put you in an altered state......i dont understand where
> you are coming from.  personally, i'd rather talk to someone tweeking rather
> than someone rolling or tripping.  at least a somewhat intelligent
> conversation can be held.

yeehaw...

i suppuse that thar depends on what ya call intelligence thar lil' lady.

personally i feel conversations are over-rated.  few people learn to
experience what the other is feeling. feelings being a far more efficient
form of communication.

conversly, few people try to convey what they are really really feeling.
which makes it pretty damn hard for those who would like to know someone
as who we really are.

life is general hospital, starring tommy hill.


>                          Nothing exists outside the moment

unless i make my everything exist outside the moment...you're right.
or unless something chooses to BE the moment.

peace,
chad


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In a message dated 2/17/99 10:50:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dj_photon@yahoo.com writes:

<< has anybody else noticed their pants are shrinking? mine are, =/
 they're getting shorter. maybe it's because i didn't wash them before
 i sewed them. they were the perfect length before. >>

Actually i just sent a pair of q ambients from 94 to frederick's of hollywood
for their new raver porn line... vickie's secret thought they were 'too
risque' showing a little too much 'skin'... so they took my grinds for a sexy
slit number...

still looking for a venue for my modified thieves.

entro

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, SYCJIX wrote:

> way too far into what i said and twisting it into something 

isn't that always the way?  origami rocks.

my words are like paper...make them represent something.

personally i think when he went in, he came out the other end and landed
in truth.

peace,
Chad


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At 04:02 PM 2/17/99 -0600, you wrote:
>how can you say that one drug is okay while the other is bad?  all drugs are
>illegal.  all drugs put you in an altered state......i dont understand where
>you are coming from.  personally, i'd rather talk to someone tweeking rather
>than someone rolling or tripping.  at least a somewhat intelligent
>conversation can be held.

aspirin is legal. tobacco is legal.  do you plan to draw no distinctions in
this case because they are both legal?  "good" and "bad" is a pretty
subjective decision.  Still, you can't just say "all drugs are equally bad
because they are all illegal" because that just isn't true.  Ever been to
walgreens?  There are thousands of different little white boxes filled with
pills.  All of those are drugs, and all of them are legal.  And here comes
the craziest part - they all do different things!  Some of them do nothing
more than make your shit soft, while others give you cancer and make you
smell bad. What's the difference with illegal drugs?  Clearly marijuana is
less harmful to your body than crystal meth.  Now, which drug you prefer is
all up to you.  But there's a lot more to it than "all drugs are illegal,
all drugs put you in an altered state."  And I think you're just pretending
there isn't because you don't agree with someone's drug preferences.

damn, and i promised myself i wouldn't get involved in this one.

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At 06:13 PM 2/17/99 -0600, you wrote:
>oh please.  look who's trying to sound intelligent.  how dare you try and
>tell me that i do not know what im talking about.  you dont know me.
>
>i think you are funny.  you are trying to make me look like a fool by going
>way too far into what i said and twisting it into something that you know i
>did not intend.  you know what i meant by the post.
>
>as far as the whole drugs good/bad thing..where did i ever state that?  you
>don't know my opinion on the whole drug issue.  how dare you say that i
>cannot have an opinion on this because i dont have the knowledge.  how would
>you know?

oh, i see.  someone's new to the list.

i retract my last message,  the one where I assumed people tried to think
and act coherently on the mw-raves list. 

sorry.

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New  record reviews are now up for anyone interested..
Just go to the URL below..

Brisk! 
Next Generation Records Ltd. 1999 
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Educating themselves about the effects of drugs won't help ppl like
this. They are running away from something. Until they realize that
drugs are not the answer, they will continue to abuse drugs, and
endanger our scene, imho. 

The best thing we can do is try to avoid creating an environment that
makes their excessive drug use easy, as well as letting them know our
feelings about what they are doing. Do not laugh and act like you think
they are cool. Tell them they are slurring, not making any sense,
whatever. Otherwise, you enable them to feel "accepted". 

Oh, and I do not agree that raves are about drugs now, whatever they may
have been about when they started. If you love the music, you realize
you don't need the drugs to enjoy it, and the drugs are causing most of
the difficulty in having thees events. 

I agree with Adam, tho, drugs by themselves are not the problem, but the
ppl who are there just for the drugs. 

-- Robin 

jp wrote:
<snip story about girl who continues to over-consume drugs despite
repeated bad experiences>
> Again, she got to listen to people tell her what an irresponsible ass she
> was.  My point, people need to educate themselves about drugs before they
> start blindly consuming anything that is presented to them.

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>
>> A flow of good drugs is often what makes or breaks a party. Like it 
or
>> not.
>> 
>> Just the facts...
>> 
>> - Jens
>> 
>
>Not true, I dont use drugs, I have been to all parties sober, but 
>thats because I go to parties for the music, had the best times of 
>my life sober, if you need drugs to have a good time, you better 
>check yourself, cuz there is definitely something wrong with you..
>Just my humble opinion...
>
>
>

I don't think Jens point was that every raver must use drugs to make a 
good party.  Rather I think the implication was that drugs are enough of 
a part of the scene and enough people use them that they really are very 
important to a good vibe.  Let's say there's a party where every single 
kid is clean, now realistically this wouldn't happen but let's say.  
Every kid there is clean, this doesn't mean that they are always clean 
mind you, but that for some reason at this party they decided to go 
clean and they have a good time.  There would be a great vibe at this 
party.  But if you take those same kids and make drugs available to 
those among them who would want them, I do think the vibe would 
increase.  If you truly belive in the concept of 'vibe' as I do, that is 
as something that is intangible.  Just a feeling that permeates the 
party, kids dancing, everyone smiling, music going, just a good feeling, 
you have to admit that the second party, with the kids who want to be 
there and have the choice to do the drugs would be better. ( I think 
that last sentence may have like changed tense or subject halfway 
through, chances are I'm the only one to care, so why did I even write 
this parenthetical? oh well.)

I hope that point made sense, I think I talked around myself.  Basically 
I guess I'm saying that the drugs are imperative for all people, but 
that enough  people like them and would still come to a party without 
them that they do help the vibe.  You may still stay at the party if you 
are a regular E user who can't score and you may still have some fun, 
but you aren't helping the vibe as much as if you were to get your roll 
and just go all out.

Ethan
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>>i think you are funny.  you are trying to make me look like a fool by going
>>way too far into what i said and twisting it into something that you know i
>>did not intend.  you know what i meant by the post.

this should be in the FAQ if it isn't already:

"homer, mr. burns can't see you winking"

if you didn't type it out, we didn't hear you say it.  email lacks all the
nonverbal clues of actual human conversation; there is no tone of voice, no
facial expression, no arm movement.  Think about what you intend to say and
read what you're about to post; do your thoughts clearly communicate what
you want to say?  Try to articulate your thoughts carefully, or else people
are going to take what you said the wrong way.  We could save ourselves a
lot of fights if people thought about what they were writing before they
wrote it.



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Yeah there are parties every weekend, but it's not like you are forced 
to go to them.  I think it actually lets us be a little more 
discriminant.  We have the option of saying, "fuck the Black Hole I've 
been there for the last 2 weekends and I just want a change of pace." or 
"fuck tonight, I just don't have the energy, there'll be a party next 
weekend."  However the bad side is what you already mentioned, it takes 
away a bit of the specialness.  I mean it's hard to summon up a killer 
vibe every weekend, so instead we settle for decent.  

But hey the way I look at it every party from now before Detonate is 
just a warmup. :)
But what do I know?

Ethan
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>
>     I agree.  it seems that people don't treat parties like the 
special 
>     things they are anymore, simply beacaus there are just too many of 
>     them.  I too am from Chicago, so I see your point.  How often is 
it 
>     that there isn't a party every weekend in this city?  Sometimes 
>     there's two of three on the same night!  That's why I only go to 
the 
>     ones that look really good (Live on the Decks II baby!).  You no 
>     longer need to look forward to a party happening because there's 
>     always one happening!  I mean, how many promoters are there in 
>     Chicago?  Nothing against the Teamsters, but you can see them 
every 
>     weekend at one party or another.  Why would I want to pay $20 to 
see 
>     DJ's that I just saw the weekend before?  and the weekend before 
that? 
>      They're all very good, but variety is what I like about the rave 
>     scene to begin with.  Again, I don't mean to single out the 
teamsters, 
>     they're just the first ones that pop into my head at the moment.  
I 
>     think it's why people always seem to support the parties with 
>     international acts.  They're DJ's we don't get to (forced to) see 
all 
>     the time.  Just my two cents of course.
>     
>     rEalm
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
>Subject: [mw] Raves per month
>Author:  PHILFART@aol.com at Internet
>Date:    2/17/99 11:45 AM
>
>
>Okay. It seems to me that there's some sort of event every weekend here 
in 
>Chicago. Fridays & Saturdays (and I don't want to count club events).
>     
>I'm just curious as to how many events happen per month in other areas 
of the 
>mid-west. Chicago is a wierd place and I think that the kids here get 
so many 
>events thrown at them, they become numb (dumb). 
>     
>p


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this friday...

solidstate and erotishock invite you to another session of late-night
lovin...

FADED

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always a pleasure...



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In a message dated 2/17/99 9:16:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, jens@idir.net
writes:

> A flow of good drugs is often what makes or breaks a party. Like it or
>  not.

depends who you are... i don't really care... let them all overdose or get
arrested... less idiots that i have to deal with... natural selection is
great... kill off the idiots who kill themselves...


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In a message dated 2/17/99 1:11:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, dgroove@juno.com
writes:

>  Most venues these days don't  allow outside food & drink vendors. 

this is true
 
>  I think that's why you hardly see Smart Bars anymore.  
>  My advice would be to go to GNC & Sam's Club & buy everything you need
>  to run your own Smart Bar / Candy booth.  Then get a trustworthy friend
>  to run it.  This way you have a back-up source of income if the party were
>  to  have a low attendance.  The extra money from the Smart Bar could be the
>  difference between breaking even and losing money.

another reason you don't see smart bars much anymore, most smart bar vendors
aren't insured... yup, we applied for a vending liscence when we went to New
Orleans... back when i was a booth jockey for Untranslatable... we weren't
allowed to sell any consumables... unless we had insurance... a lot of venues
have found that you are still liable if someone ODs on drugs at your venue,
regardless if the promoters had no security and were selling it themselves,
the venue owner owns teh venue, therefore is liable... is a bitch for them

hell, even selling mixtapes, i have had cops ask me if i had a vendors
lisence... ask raves get bigger and bigger... it has to become more and more
legit to survive... contracts, insurance, lisences, and other measures... some
events go as far as to have a lawyer stay at the door all evening to prevent
an event from getting busted...

like it or not, you gotta play by the rules or pay the consequences... you can
bitch and whine all you want... but that doesn't change shit... welcome to
reality

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> It wasnt always this way...  and I remember awhile back hearing people
>  complain in Wisconsin about it being that way (there)... (They dont seem to
>  anymore.. 

well, that's because we don't have parties here anymore.

jd

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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, dj photon wrote:

> has anybody else noticed their pants are shrinking? mine are, =/


My pants are shrinking too but by personal choice.  My phat pant
collection has dwindled down to a mere 2 (and they wont even pass as phat
pants by most ravers standards).  The rest are rather "normal" looking.

Any one care to analyze my motivations in this trend?  I could do it
myself but it gets a wee too personal sometimes.  (I still have far too
many subconcious judgements about certain motivations to be fair to
myself...)

oh well.

I look forward to the future where clothes are abandoned for a greensih- 
blue body paint....

ok,
adam


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><rant>

Every body better wish this rantin' bitch a HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!

Happy Birthday, ggggrrrrllllll!!!!!!!!

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The answer is.....666!!!!!!!

>Good job trunk.  You found one.
>
>god save the queen,
>Adam  
>
>

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FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!!!!

I'm done.

>	3) If you are a tweeker or addict, stay home until you get 
>your shit together.

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Why would I want to pay $20 to see DJ's that I just saw the weekend
before?  and the weekend before that? 

All I gotta say is ROAD TRIP!!!!!!!

I am the road warrior.  Venture out, peeps.   

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If all these parties are for is just the drugs......I ain't goin' no mo.

Don't get yer hopes up.

>I'm not against drugs, I'm against shady people attracted by
>drugs, and that's why I'd like to see the scene become a bit more
>anti-drug (at least as "outer doctrine")... for purely utilitarian
>reasons.
>
>
>

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>Not true, I dont use drugs, I have been to all parties sober, but 
>thats because I go to parties for the music, had the best times of 
>my life sober, if you need drugs to have a good time, you better 
>check yourself, cuz there is definitely something wrong with you..
>Just my humble opinion...

Why the fuck is it that most peeps gotta get fucked up to be happy????

The same reason I gotta practice martial arts or workout or write music
or
WHATEVER THE FUCK!!!!!!!

The reason = I like it.

But when what I do fer fun effects others around me negatively........
that's when I gotta check myself.

Then again....it's all opinions......


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i haven't seen this movie, although i have heard amazing things about 
it.  i can recommend checking out the sound track.  lot's o' yummy 
spoken word and killer KRS one track. 
 
**sara
>Hey kid, have you seen this movie("SLAM")? I just saw a trailer for
>it right before the "CUBE" .. It apparently won some nice
>awards at sundance last year (I believe).. seem to be right up
>your alley in regards to poetic lyricism, and looks to have great
>directing/cinematography on top of all that... check it out if you
>can find it (I know I will do the same ;)...
>
>tata,
>
>o0o[qiB.]o0o
>
>whelp.. I'm off ta finally see Something about Mary... hope I'm
>not wasting precious hours of my life with shit... we'll see
>
>
>
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For those interested in how our own government's premiere intelligence
agency has experimented with different drugs for various reasons, there is
an extremely enlightening article found at the following URL:
http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/acid_dreams/acid.dreams

As of this past weekend, I will now be partying COMPLETELY drug free (not
related to this article) with the possible exception of some cheeba.  If you
want to know why, you will have to wait 'til you see me in person.

Peace and love,

Mike aka Hex
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In a message dated 2/17/99 1:04:56 PM Central Standard Time,
dwmcclin@indiana.edu writes:

<< it makes me wonder what effect psychedelics have on your dreams... >>

i know this is probably gonna sound odd, but i alwayz had really bad dreams
after doing a lot of k...and they were so realistic that whenever i woke up i
would have to really worry sometimes that the situation i just dreamt about
wasnt real....

peeeeeSh
lauryn*

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Okay, maybe I'm stupid, but how do you get signed onto ICQ?  Help, 
please!?!?!  I wanna be a computer nerd!!!!

Crystal

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hey folks.....   .com here again...

Just anutha note to remind all of you to set those real players to
pnm://raveradio.raver.org/ihob.ra to catch tonite's broadcast of the WORLD
FAMOUS internet radio show- 40 Ozs of Wednesday...

Your hosts for tonite's show are myself (.com) and founder of the Omaha
Junglistic Society, Kaoss.  Special guest this week is local funky breaks
guru, Daniel-san.  Check it out from 11PM-2AM as we serve you a heaping mess
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addy again...  pnm://raveradio.raver.org/ihob.ra

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Well I must say this party definitely the best I have ever been to in my
life.  If I ever go to a party and am amazed by the lighting, decorations,
visuals that this party had it would probably kill me from sensory overload,
cuz this place was just totally decked out..  Ceiling was about 100 feet
maybe more high, there were appr 50 maybe more "intelligent" lights used
VERY well and a few totally incredibly awesome lasers that just blew my mind
for the evenings I was in attendance.  It was sooo awesome to have this
laser like 4 feet above your head make a wavelike effect like you were
underwater, just totally messing with my head and stuff and as usual no
drugs for me...Visuals definitely 100%

Paul Van Dyk by far the highlight for me..  The 2 hours I was dancing away
on top of the speakers flew by sooo quickly I didn't know what to do..  He
played all the tracks I was hoping for at the point I thought he never
would.  Made me his bitch jerking me up and down and teasing me like I have
never been teased before..  This Man is god to me now, he just totally made
me experience feelings inside of me that I have never felt.. I don't know if
it was myself being so hyped or not, but either way he just totally ripped
me to shit.  I've never been soo happy, thrilled during a dj's set.  The
most awesome thing, as he put on what was his last record some cafe del mar
remix or sumfin me and this guy down in front just looked at each other and
our eyes were just totally gushing tears, fucking laughing and everything
went silent as we just ran into each other embracing each other like the end
of the world was coming.  That was the most emotional I have ever felt in my
life, that hug, that guy whoever he was will remain a part of my life
forever.   It was really nice to see Paul come down during the middle of his
set and get pics taken with the kids down in front, too bad I didn't have a
camera and was too late finding anybody that had film left... Oh well...

John Aquaviva in the 2nd room was really nice.  I enjoyed dancing with the
kids from down there they were really fun to play around with and got to
meet some really nice people and really good dancers from there.  He also
worked the crowd like a pro lil rest here and there lotsa slammin tracks was
really really nice.  I'll definitely be going to see him again if I have the
opportunity..

Terry Mullan was really good for my first time, yeah I know, but.... There
was some guy shoving things up his nose and bringing them out of his mouth
and being all sick during his set tho, that kinda pissed me off cuz the
crowd was all crazy and stuff until everybody stopped to look at that freak
acting all stoopid.  Oh well as soon as he left everybody recovered..

DJ Dan was really good, the last set I heard before we drove back to good
ole Missouri.. Got to get down with a few of the junior miss playmates that
were there hehe =)  Nah I almost got beat up by one of them for stepping on
her foot once, like that was a sin on a dancefloor or something, but oh
well...

Rabbit in the Moon was good, not as awesome as I was expecting, but still
good..

Others I was impressed with Qbert, Craze, Nigel Richards, and the time I
spent in the jungah room was nice too, kinda small tho..

I've heard people say that Monk is awesome and others say he isn't all that,
I'd have to agree with the latter based on his performance.  I was thinking
he was gonna rock like crazy..  Just didn't seem to flow tho.. I liked the
ghetto near the beginning and the jungle near the end, but in between was
just boring for me.. Rabbit jumped down into the crowd to get things pumped
up and that was neat, but...

Only people there with attitudes were the playmates and they sure showed it.
There was a fight and I got to help beat down the 4 meanies who were picking
on this one lil kid  =)  I also heard that the scene down there is getting
mad shit from GHB the place they throw parties at I was told averages at
least one death per week from GHB overdoses =/  They were even passing out
NO GHB stickers..  They call it liquid ecstasy and so kids think it is
something they oughtta try..  So I dunno I remember reading on here that GHB
is totally harmless, but I guess not...  Some guy suffered a compound
fracture and covered some girl in blood after falling down a flight of
stairs i was told as well.  That's about all there was to the negative side
of things tho =)

I'll definitely be considering going down there next year for Zoolu 6 if it
happens..

Ok that's all from me for now..  nite
 =)'s
Curtis


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well, not to start YET ANOTHER drug war, but......
ok. so i tend to merely SKIM the pages of all the magazines at my place of
work...so i'm looking at the newest Mademoiselle (i know, i know) and i see
this interesting article (this is a direct quote from the magazine):
"THE AGONY OF ECSTASY
	The popularity of raves is waning, and none too soon. According to new
research from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Ecstasy, the illegal
drug that often fueled the all night parties, can cause brain damage. Users
say ecsatsy makes them feel more communicative and affectionate, and it's
no wonder: It causes serotonin, the "feel good" neurotransmitter, to flood
the brain. Unfortunately, the drug then binds to nerve fibers in the brain
that contain serotonin, and , in effect, wears them out. If you use ecstasy
heavily (the subjects had used it from 70 to 400 times), your brain may
gradually stop secreting serotonin on its own. The result is a definite
downer: "You may lose the ability to experience normal mood upswings," says
Mark Molliver, M.D., a neuroscientist at Johns Hopkins. Early research
suggests that the damage could be permanent-and might lead to serious
depression or other psychological disorders. "

soo, heres my question. being a non-drug user, i am wondering will this new
make you think twice, or perhaps stop doing E?
just a spark....
val :)


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Well at least now I know I can do it a few times and be safe =)

>soo, heres my question. being a non-drug user, i am wondering will this new
>make you think twice, or perhaps stop doing E?
>just a spark....
>val :)
>


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Yaaahooo! i can get fucked up 70 more times..mmmmmm but i just cannot feel
happy about 70 more tabs of e!  Something must be wrong i dont feel happy
aaaaaaaahhhh the voices in my head... anne em anne em theres a fire in the
house aaaaahhhhhh paint chips are soo good to eat, i like the blue chips
myself heeee he hlakfhahdf he ehaheh hahhahhahhahahh 


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Paul Van Dyk by far the highlight for me..Made me his bitch jerking me up
and down and teasing me like I have
never been teased before.. 


That wasn't paul that was me bangin you on the speaker you dont remember
that..damn baby....


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yeah...guess where i'm not.  damn foot.  no running or jumping for a week.
guess that rules out dancing too.  ugh.
but it's ok, at least i'll be in shape for next week.  which is
kind of the point of this message, it's just a little reminder to check
out solar next wednesday  (2/24).  music will be provided by our very own 

*KID ENTROPAY,
 along with 
*3D 
 and 
*dj shortstop
 
and what's this i hear about cameron spinning??



net-meet anybody?
bahaha  =P~
**doris**


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http://members.xoom.com/curse/VisualPhenomenologyoftheLSDFlashback.htm

this is an in depth report of a recent study of lsd..  too much for me to
read on one sitting, but the terms for what can happen to you are pretty
vivid decriptions of (oddly enough) reality.


{xenon.exe}


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-*valerie*- valenzo-* wrote:
> Early research
> suggests that the damage could be permanent-and might lead to serious
> depression or other psychological disorders. "
> 
> soo, heres my question. being a non-drug user, i am wondering will this new
> make you think twice, or perhaps stop doing E?

You would think so, wouldn't you? But, actually, there is nothing new
about what this research is saying, and there is enough contradictory
research that alot of ppl feel fairly safe in doing it. I wish more ppl
would take some of these risks seriously. But, alot of ppl don;t really
consider the long-term consequences of using drugs. 

The fact is with E, no one really knows. But, what little research has
been done, links permanent damage with regular use or high dosages.
Think about what it might be like to lose the abilty to feel naturally
"high" before you pop that next pill. 

-- Robin 
*not a straight-edger*

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http://www.core77.com/mackay/

in conjunction with the whole drug tangent and especially for those who
want to explore alternate states of consciousness beyond/without the use of
actual substances.  also quite a nice site aesthetically.  i think that in
lieu of our 'lil drug discussion we could talk about the way to put yrself
in an alternate mindset for optimal raving.

{xenon.exe}




'the only people who want to live have mental disorders'


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heh

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>Okay, maybe I'm stupid, but how do you get signed onto ICQ?  Help, 
>please!?!?!  I wanna be a computer nerd!!!!

Uh......     http://www.icq.com 

Uh.........

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i'm from minneapolis.. and it seems to me that the frequency of parties around
here has a lot to do with the weather.  as it gets colder, there seem to be
fewer parties to go to.  

durring the summer there seem to be quite a few, something almost every
weekend. since winter has come, we had a new years party... then nothing from
dec. 31st till Valentines day. (with the exception of that JVC jungle party in
late Jan.)  

our next one is in March  (Funky Charmz, you should all come)  =)    and i
don't know when our next one after that will be.
i'm sure things will pick up again once summer rolls around =)


and that's all i have to say about that

have a nice day
~n







     where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are sm:)es



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This Thursday VBNTS present LUSH
@ Smart Bar 3730 N. Clark st.
form Paris:
Cassius & Wall of Sound DJ's Jacques Lu Cont and Touche 
wit resident Justin Long
 21/over $10 10:00 to 4:00

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i have been on this list for over a year.  i pick and choose the subjects
that i feel are worth posting about.


-liz
-----Original Message-----
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>
>oh, i see.  someone's new to the list.
>
>i retract my last message,  the one where I assumed people tried to think
>and act coherently on the mw-raves list.
>
>sorry.
>


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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:47:55 -0800 (PST) "rA\\/A-G" <chad@hyperreal.org>
writes:

>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Douglas Mcclintock wrote:

>after only using acid a few times...i've noticed _some_ change in 
>dream patterns.  pre-psychedelic experience, i've had more lucid and
vivid
>dreams with little to no revelation or obvious symbolism.
>
>post psychedelic experience i've had less frequent lucid dreams.
>also, dream recall seems to be affected 

I've had the exact opposite happen...

Pre-acid = "normal" dreams

Post-acid = lucid dreams, sometimes very lucid

In fact a couple of times I've dreamed I was tripping and it was _very_
real.


Oh, and here's my take on flashbacks...

Flashbacks happen even if you've never tripped.  They just aren't _acid_
flashbacks.

Deja vu, post traumatic stress syndrome, flashbacks...it's all the
same...

Acid flashbacks are a intense memory recall from a heavily imprinted
memory, ie: tripping
or at least that seems to be a logical explanation to me.

	Joe
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hmm...i understand where you are coming from...and i ask...is the experience
you are talking about related to rolling?  if it is, i have this argument.
i used to think that rolling was the most wonderful thing ever..but then i
realized that it wasn't real.  it was a drug-induced wonderful thing.  the
person that i was when i was rolling wasn't the real me.  ..i know many of
you will argue this... and i would've too a couple months ago..  but now the
thought of rolling or little rolling ravers just disgust me..and that is
just my opinion so let it be.

oh yea...and i do enjoy intelligent conversations.  im attracted to  people
by what they have to say...because that is a reflection of what they have on
the inside.  if a person is as sweet and nice when he/she is sober as when
he/she is rolling, then i know ive found a pretty rockin person.

i do agree with you when you say that people don't try to convey what they
are really feeling.  i believe that is just human nature.  people are afraid
to get hurt so they hold their feelings in.   im sure you've done it before.
no one ever shares everything that goes on in their minds with anyone.

liz

                                   ((((((((((((sycjix))))))))))))

                         Nothing exists outside the moment


icq <6845867>


>i suppuse that thar depends on what ya call intelligence thar lil' lady.
>
>personally i feel conversations are over-rated.  few people learn to
>experience what the other is feeling. feelings being a far more efficient
>form of communication.
>
>conversly, few people try to convey what they are really really feeling.
>which makes it pretty damn hard for those who would like to know someone
>as who we really are.
>
>life is general hospital, starring tommy hill.
>
>
>>                          Nothing exists outside the moment
>
>unless i make my everything exist outside the moment...you're right.
>or unless something chooses to BE the moment.
>
>peace,
>chad
>


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i did think about what i wrote and read it over twice.  im not new to the
whole email thing.  i was simply questing your reasoning behind the
whole..keep the tweek out of the scene, but keep the rolls and acid idea.

liz

                                   ((((((((((((sycjix))))))))))))

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icq <6845867>
-----Original Message-----
From: chris ege <crege@students.wisc.edu>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 6:51 PM
Subject: [mw] "you know what I meant"


>>>i think you are funny.  you are trying to make me look like a fool by
going
>>>way too far into what i said and twisting it into something that you know
i
>>>did not intend.  you know what i meant by the post.
>
>this should be in the FAQ if it isn't already:
>
>"homer, mr. burns can't see you winking"
>
>if you didn't type it out, we didn't hear you say it.  email lacks all the
>nonverbal clues of actual human conversation; there is no tone of voice, no
>facial expression, no arm movement.  Think about what you intend to say and
>read what you're about to post; do your thoughts clearly communicate what
>you want to say?  Try to articulate your thoughts carefully, or else people
>are going to take what you said the wrong way.  We could save ourselves a
>lot of fights if people thought about what they were writing before they
>wrote it.
>
>


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so being new to this list makes you unable to think and act coherently?

thanx for letting me know oh elite one.
i guess i still have a few more years before i can post again.  damn...and i
had to post on such a stupid subject.  why couldn't i have posted about the
raverporn.  damn damn damn.

liz

                                   ((((((((((((sycjix))))))))))))

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icq <6845867>

>>oh, i see.  someone's new to the list.
>>
>>i retract my last message,  the one where I assumed people tried to think
>>and act coherently on the mw-raves list.
>>
>>sorry.
>>
>


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In a message dated 2/17/99 10:08:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
trunk666@juno.com writes:

<< >Okay, maybe I'm stupid, but how do you get signed onto ICQ?  Help, 
 >please!?!?!  I wanna be a computer nerd!!!!
 
 Uh......     http://www.icq.com 
 
 Uh......... >>
Mirabillis.com 

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><< >Okay, maybe I'm stupid, but how do you get signed onto ICQ?  Help,
> >please!?!?!  I wanna be a computer nerd!!!!


	If you are using a Macintosh, be sure to get version 1.6.9.  It
really helped my system run smoothly.  It was a blessing.  I became a
better person because of it.  I took my vows yesterday and entered the
priesthood because of version 1.6.9.

	avoid it.  it sucks.  get version 1.6.7.  It doesn't have some of
the functionality of 1.6.9 but what the hell.  I kind of value the data on
my hard drive.  Also be prepared for late nights.  For example, it's 2:30am
and I'm doing homework with ICQ running because I know some friends of mine
across the state are going to be home from the bar soon.  ICQ while drunk
is fun.

	I don't think ICQ will make you a computer nerd.  Masturbating to
alt.binaries.erotic.beast images on Usenet while greasilly munching cheese
doodles will.  I know.  I have seen the light.  I've got the full-on geek
tan going.  Ahh, the gentle warmth of a CRT.





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.    >
                                               <randomly stimulating>
		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >



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http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn

what happend to people dressing up to go to parties?
why does everyone look the same now?

well now you dont have to!
(yes this is an ad)

i am now featuring clothing by Phil's Phad's on my site
fun, crazy, and sexy for both men and women partiers

the online catalog is not up yet but you can find a store near you that carries the clothing

http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn


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>http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn
>
>what happend to people dressing up to go to parties?
>why does everyone look the same now?
>
>well now you dont have to!
>(yes this is an ad)
>
>i am now featuring clothing by Phil's Phad's on my site
>fun, crazy, and sexy for both men and women partiers
>
>the online catalog is not up yet but you can find a store near you that 
>carries the clothing
>
>http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn

you just don't get it do you? why advertise on a mailing list?

crap... this'll prolly start a whole huge thread again...

.scott

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Okay its been over three years now an the kansas rave page is still up
and running. it wasn't updated for the longest time but things have been
fixed and settled down. why am i telling this list all of this well i
want to reach ppl in an out of the scene to let them know its up,
running, updated, etc.  I will be chaoticly updating it between
bookings, work, etc. which means daily or bi daily it will be updated
and the news an info will be as current as you can get. 

I have also taken pictures of several events as far back as the early
nineties. I will be getting those up along with video, and flyers.
please keep in mind that the page is in a transitional state right now
once things settle down it won't be as frustrating to go through. so if
anyone is interested in contributing to this (which does represent our
scene) or if promoters would be willing to drop off party info then:

www.idir.net/~orion

thanks for letting me waste your bandwidth... 


AC  
"I'd rather be square dancing!"

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FRom the B-board on DubTRibe's web site. Message from Dub TRibe's
Sunshine Jones:

> doc is awake!
> 
>      he's feeling better... i spoke to hom on the phone today and he 
>      sounds exhausted, but alive and on the road to recovery!!!!
> 
>      what a blessing!
> 
>      if you want to send cards or flowers to him, please do.
> 
>      they go to:
> 
>      cedar sini hospital
>      patient: doc martin
>      8700 beverly blvd
>      la, CA
>      90048
> 
>      i'll be down there next weekend and hope to spend a little time 
>      with him in preson, i'll update this site again after i see my 
>      brother to let you know more!
> 
>      great news!
> 
>      sunshine

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Hey There, I didn't get any responses last time, so I will try one more time

Please email me back (ANAGRAM@net66.com) if you can help me out

<	I was hoping you could tell me if there will be anything going on in
Bloomington this Saturday the < 20th?  House parties or anything.  I'll be
in town visiting my friend and I want to check out the night < life.
< If you can help me out, email me directions.  Thanx,	
< 	JHartman -
 >	The Sunshine Ministry, Champaign, IL


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In a message dated 2/17/99 9:05:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, dep3@po.cwru.edu
writes:

<< http://members.xoom.com/curse/VisualPhenomenologyoftheLSDFlashback.htm >>

if that wasn't what i was looking i dunno what was =)

thank you very much 

entro

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In a message dated 2/17/99 8:55:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, dpayer@umich.edu
writes:

<< KID ENTROPAY >>

yes thats right everybody i changed my name to reflect the pigheaded status of
my new intentions...

=)

doris, doris, doris =)

hugz.

entro
i guess it coulda been kid entropee... or kid wetropy.

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I would like to let everyone know that at Midnight last nite, Trevor Lamont
and his girlfriend brought into this world a 8 lb 7 oz baby girl named
Jade.  Mother and baby are healthy and doing fine. Congratulations Trev!!!




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Hello all, this is Nate the Natural advising you about the "Strange
Daze" happening in Indianapolis.  This event will be held April 10th and
is only $8 with a canned good.  As usual, we are using a virgin space
and have a dynamic line-up. Your musical guides through the evening will
be....

Jeffree Dee (Milwaukee, Wi)
D-on (Madison, Wi)
Shiva (hades)
Tim Krochalk (Indy, IN)
Matt Bandy (Lex. KY)
Nauti Groove (cinci, OH)
Nate the Natural (Indy, IN)
Incognito (bloomington, IN)

The admission is seriously ONLY $8 w/ a canned good... you all are
invited. You can call 317.375.7744 for more details... You should come
check out the Strange Daze here in Indiana.

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see y'all there tonight!

=jes


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sheeesh!!!
in my own defense let me just say that I KNOW HOW TO SPELL KID ENTROPY
JUST FINE, THANK YOU!!!!
it was actually a leftover from an old joke, involving the ghetto-ass
"haaaaay baaayby" sigh, carried over to kid entropaaaaaay.  but i guess
none of this matters, since i already feel like an ass now.
thanks.
you're great.
=P~
i kinda like kid wetropy tho......
seeya kids weds
**doris**




On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/17/99 8:55:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, dpayer@umich.edu
> writes:
> 
> << KID ENTROPAY >>
> 
> yes thats right everybody i changed my name to reflect the pigheaded status of
> my new intentions...
> 
> =)
> 
> doris, doris, doris =)
> 
> hugz.
> 
> entro
> i guess it coulda been kid entropee... or kid wetropy.
> 


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Won't stop me, because only a fucking psycho! uses E every weekend. 400
times = 2 pills twice a weekend for 2 years = $10000 in the midwest. Ha ha
ha. I think once a year should keep me safe, and who wants to feel that
good all the time? I might start actaully being nice to people.

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, -*valerie*- valenzo-* wrote:

> drug that often fueled the all night parties, can cause brain damage. Users

> heavily (the subjects had used it from 70 to 400 times), your brain may


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At 10:39 18-2-99 -0500, Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

>i guess it coulda been kid entropee... or kid wetropy.

Be glad people aren't picking up on what that club-owner here did. He
double-billed Tim as Kid & Tropy. He thought he was getting two DJs.

Just an anecdote...

Eye & D

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|  T H E   O U T S I D E   A G E N C Y  |
\------< http://www.kultbox.com/eye-d >-/

Up next...
  * Ghetto Safari 6 - Down from the Waist Up

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-----------------
Original Text from "Scott Jackson"<sjackson@megsinet.net>

>>http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn
>>
>>what happend to people dressing up to go to parties?
>>why does everyone look the same now?
>>
>>well now you dont have to!
>>(yes this is an ad)
>>
>>i am now featuring clothing by Phil's Phad's on my site
>>fun, crazy, and sexy for both men and women partiers
>>
>>the online catalog is not up yet but you can find a store near you that 
>>carries the clothing
>>
>>http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn

your pathetic



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LIVE RADIO

On the morning show at WBAM FM in Chicago, IL they play a game for
prizes, usually vacations and such, called "Mate Match."  The DJ's ring
someone at work and ask if they are married or in a serious
relationship. If yes, then this person is asked 3 very personal
questions that vary from couple to couple and asked for their
significant others name and work phone number.  If the significant other
answers correctly then they are winners This particular day (12-9-98) it
got interesting:

DJ:  HEY!  This is Edgar on WBAM.  Do you know "Mate Match"?

Contestant:  (laughing) Yes I do.

DJ:  What is your name?  First only please.

Contestant:  Brian

DJ: Are you married or what Brian?

Brian: Yes.

DJ:  "Yes"?  Does this mean your are married,or what, Brian?

Brian:  (laughing nervously) Yes I am married.

DJ: Thank you Brian.  OK, now, what is your wife's name? First only
please, Brian.

Brian: Sara.

DJ: Is Sara at work Brian?

Brian: She is gonna kill me.

DJ: Stay with me here Brian!  Is she at work?

Brian:  (laughing) Yes she is.

DJ: All right then, first question: When was the last time you had sex?

Brian: She is gonna kill me.

DJ:  BRIAN!  Stay with me here man.

Brian: About 8 O'clock this morning.

DJ: Atta boy.
 
Brian:  (laughing sheepishly) Well*.
 
DJ: Number 2: How long did it last?
 
Brian: About 10 minutes.
 
DJ: Wow!  You really want that trip huh?  No one would ever have said
that if it there weren't a trip at stake.
 
Brian: Yeah, it would be really nice.
 
DJ: OK.  Final question: Where was it that you had sex at 8 this
 morning?
 
Brian:  (laughing hard) I ummmmm*.
 
DJ: This sounds good Brian*where was it?
 
Brian: Not that it was all that great just that her mom is staying with
us for a couple of weeks and she was taking a shower at the time.

DJ:  Ooooooh, sneaky boy!
 
Brian: On the kitchen table.
 
DJ:  "Not that great"?  That is more adventurous than the last hundred
times I have done it.  Anyway, (to audience) I will put Brian on hold,
get his wife's work number and call her up.  You listen to this.
 
 (Advertisements)
 
DJ:  (to audience) Let's call Sara shall we?
 
 (touch tones*ringing*)
 
Clerk: Kinko's.
 
DJ: Hey, is Sara around there somewhere?
 
Clerk: This is she.
 
DJ: Sara, this is Edgar with WBAM.  I have been speaking with
 Brian for a couple of hours now*
 
Sara:  (laughing) A couple of hours?
 
DJ: Well, a while anyway.  He is also on the line with us. Brian knows
not to give away any answers or you lose soooooooo do you know the rules
of "Mate Match"?
 
Sara:  No
 
DJ: Good.
 
Brian:   (laughing)
 
Sara:  (laughing) Brian, what the hell are you up to?
 
Brian: (laughing)  Just answer his questions honestly OK?
 
Sara: Oh, Brian*
 
DJ: Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Sara I will now ask you 3 questions and if you
answer exactly what Brian has said then the 2 of you are off to Orlando,
Florida at our expense.  This does include tickets to Disney World, Sea
World and tickets to see the Orlando Magic play.  Get it Sara?  SARA!GET
IT Orlando Magic,they are on strike, Sara*helloooooo*anyone home?!?!
 
Sara:  (laughing hard) YES, yes.
 
Brian:  (laughing)
 
DJ: All right, when did you have sex last Sara?
 
Sara: Oh God, Brian*..this morning before Brian went to work.
 
DJ: What time?
 
Sara: About 8 I think.
 
 (sound effect) DING  DING  DING
 
DJ: Very good.  Next question: How long did it last?
 
Sara:  12*15 minutes maybe.
 
DJ:  hhmmmmm
 
 Background voice in studio: That's close enough.  I am sure she is
 trying not to harm his manhood.
 
DJ:  Well, we will give you that one.  Last question: Where did you do
it?
 
Sara: OH MY GOD, BRIAN!  You did not tell them did you?!?!
 
Brian: Just tell him honey.
 
DJ: What is bothering you so much Sara?
 
Sara: Well *It's just* just that my mom is vacationing with us and*
 
DJ: SHE SAW?!?!
 
Sara:  BRIAN?!?!
 
Brian: NO, no I didn't*.
 
DJ: Ease up there sister.  Just messin' with your head.Your answer?
 
Sara: Dear Lord*..I cannot believe you told them this.
 
Brian: Come on honey it's for a trip to Florida.
 
DJ: Let's go Sara we ain't got all day.  Where did you do it?
 
Sara: In the ass.
 
 (long pause)
 
DJ: We will be right back.
 
 (advertisements)
 
DJ: I am sorry for that ladies and gentlemen.  This is live radio and
these things do happen.  Anyway, Brian and Sara are off to lovely
Orlando,Florida***.

-- 
Matt Massive - Massive Posse USA
massive@mixcom.com    matt@massivemag.com
http://www.massivemag.com   POBox 11373 - Milwaukee WI 53210

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>-----------------
>Original Text from "Scott Jackson"<sjackson@megsinet.net>
>
>>>http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn
>>>
>>>what happend to people dressing up to go to parties?
>>>why does everyone look the same now?
>>>
>>>well now you dont have to!
>>>(yes this is an ad)
>>>
>>>i am now featuring clothing by Phil's Phad's on my site
>>>fun, crazy, and sexy for both men and women partiers
>>>
>>>the online catalog is not up yet but you can find a store near you that 
>>>carries the clothing
>>>
>>>http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn
>
>your pathetic


that would be all well and good except for one thing

it's you're, not your

backatcha
pixie


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In a message dated 2/18/99 2:08:53 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dgroove@juno.com writes:

<< Deja vu, post traumatic stress syndrome, flashbacks...it's all the
 same... >>


deja vu.....ahhhh.....i dont even really wanna tell you how many times ive
experienced that...and usually it was K induced as well...<dont ask...> but
the deia vu was ten times of a stronger feeling then as well...K gave me
wickedly real-like dreams...but they were dreadful and horrifying almost....

acid just was something that made everyone look familiar to me...but then
again even when im not on it anymore and havent done it in about a year, the
faces all do still look alike...you'd be surprised...i keep forgetting im up
north at times and will see someone at a party that looks like a friend of
mine from far away and i have to keep reminding myself that its not them...

peeeSh
lauryN*

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At 01:41 AM 2/18/99 -0600, you wrote:
>i did think about what i wrote and read it over twice.  im not new to the
>whole email thing.  i was simply questing your reasoning behind the
>whole..keep the tweek out of the scene, but keep the rolls and acid idea.

yes but are you new to the whole posting to a 500+ person mailing list thing?

you might've questioned someone else's reasoning becuase I don't recall
ever saying anything about keeping or getting rid of any drugs.

and if you were questioning that idea, why didn't you just question the
idea instead of trying to philosophise about how "all drugs put you into an
altered state and therefore are all the same?"



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Everyone should pay close attention to this.
*HugZ*
$cribble


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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:31:50 EST
To: JediJap@aol.com, AMPEXX499@aol.com, M24Jay@aol.com, 
URCURE1980@aol.com,
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Subject: Hey listen up... this is important

Hey look at the bottom, it is about a virus warning for the internet, 
just be
safe!
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-*valerie*- valenzo-* wrote:

>
> soo, heres my question. being a non-drug user, i am wondering will this new
> make you think twice, or perhaps stop doing E?
> just a spark....
> val :)

It would be nice if we could find some other substance than MDMA and it's
relatives with the same key properties-- i.e. empathogenic, psychedelic, and
stimulant.  Attempts have been made to find some kind of herbal "cocktail,"
but as far as I know none have been all that successful.



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Is anyone out there going to Snowed In this weedend?  It is in Columbus.  
If you are wanting to go and need information on it just ask me.  

PLUR
*HugZ*
$cribble

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are you a narc looking for some action, or just a moron?
just curious cuz of all the generic scribblez(&the hotmail acct)

*hugz*
oh yeah,
PLUR too

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Nikollaus Zorich wrote:

> Is anyone out there going to Snowed In this weedend?  It is in Columbus.  
> If you are wanting to go and need information on it just ask me.  
> 
> PLUR
> *HugZ*
> $cribble
> 
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In a message dated 2/17/99 10:46:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, api@snsworld.net
writes:

> Good parties I've been to in SW Ohio (incomplete list and
>  in no particular order): Bass Reaction, Channel Jive (a bit
>  of a shady crowd, but not bad... about average), and Sensual.
>  I didn't go to Nuevo but I heard it was pretty good.  (I was in
>  Toronto getting stuck in a blizzard that weekend).
>  
>  BTW... here's another observation I've made: in SW Ohio,
>  parties with higher door prices tend to have less shady
>  crowds and better vibes.  I don't know if the high prices maybe
>  keep some of the "white trash" types away or what.  I'm not
>  suggesting that promoters should charge more to promote a
>  good vibe.. I'm just making a neutral observation.


Sensual was a 30$ party and there were large amounts of college kidz and other
non specific "white trash"

just my interpritation of the situation
Gabe

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I think promoters should start working towards bringing parties back to $15 at
most every Saturday night.  I understand why some huge raves need to charge
$20 or $25 or $30, but every weekend!?!?  Less and less people are going to
raves every weekend like they used to, and I think the increased price is the
reason.  Like concerts are usually way more then $30, but you don't go to
concerts every weekend do you?  Raves are more like concerts then parties
lately and kids are getting more picky.  The typical Raver isn't some rich
suburban kid as a lot of you seem to think.  I can deal with a $25 once in a
while, but not so often!  Promoters are overdoing it, trying to make the big
bucks.. but it's hurting the scene.
my 3 cents,
Lisa

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Nadine wrote:

"The next party in Minneapolis is Funky Charmz on March 6th, and I don't know
when the next one is after that."

It's on March 30th, and I can't remember what it's called, but it costs an arm
and a leg.  ($30) I was planning on going, but Funky Charmz definetly sounds
ALOT better-- and it costs HALF what the other ones does.  I just need my
Happy Hardcore fix. That, and I think I'll be on Spring Break (if everything
pans out)

Jen!

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>Early research
>suggests that the damage could be permanent-and might lead to serious
>depression or other psychological disorders. "
>
>soo, heres my question. being a non-drug user, i am wondering will this new
>make you think twice, or perhaps stop doing E?

all research aside - i can name about a dozen ppl i know (including myself)
who hardly do e at all nowadays (maybe once a month or so)...yet will
probably be emotional basket cases dependant on pricey serotonin reuptake
(sp?) inhibitors for the rest of their lives.

after a certain point, why stop doing e?  for a lot of us, the damage is
already done.  may as well have fun while we're raving, innit.



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> "The next party in Minneapolis is Funky Charmz on March 6th, and I don't know
> when the next one is after that."
> 
> It's on March 30th, and I can't remember what it's called, but it costs an arm
> and a leg.  ($30) I was planning on going, but Funky Charmz definetly sounds
> ALOT better-- and it costs HALF what the other ones does.  I just need my
> Happy Hardcore fix. That, and I think I'll be on Spring Break (if everything
> pans out)
----
perhaps you are thinking of soundburnt on march 20th?
the megarave (well, as mega as mpls gets) featuring superstar dj's 
such as grooverider, derrick carter, lenny dee and dj spree?
the event on the same date as the net.party? 
speaking of net.party why haven't i heard anything about it lately?
(...there are 44 people registered on the web)

johnny "clueless" burner
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>i used to think that rolling was the most wonderful thing ever..but then i
>realized that it wasn't real.  it was a drug-induced wonderful thing.  the
>person that i was when i was rolling wasn't the real me.

many people would argue that the opposite is actually true.  that is, that
mdma lowers inhibitions and allows your true self to come through, akin to
when we were children and had not yet "learned" our inhibitions.  this may
or may not be a good thing, depending on your personal tenets.  we learn
our inhibitions for a reason...but *i* honestly think that society at large
may do well to have a few less.



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im back home from a night at the hospital...yuk i hate hospitals.. ne way my
God So n iz doing very well. he was not expected to live at all. well he iz
alive, born at 5:42 am wedneday feb. 17th. 5lbz 3oz. his name iz Jacob Andrew
Kern. a bootyfull babby boy. as i said he has shocked every1 by how well he is
doing. 1. he was not expected to live. he did :)   2. the doctors didnt think
he would be able to breast feed, they didnt think he would have the mental
capacity to. hiz brains iznt all there. he is breast and bottle ffeding very
well. over all he iz doing extremly good so far.   
 
Jacob iz a biblical figure born on ash wednesday. same as him :)


hospitals suck
The God Father Gabe

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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, john chandratat wrote:

> speaking of net.party why haven't i heard anything about it lately?
> (...there are 44 people registered on the web)

Is there a web site up for general info on the party?  Is there anyway we
can see the registration to see who else is going to show up?

What djs are playing?

there,
Adam


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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:26:42 -0500 Adam Ierymenko <api@snsworld.net>
writes:

>
>It would be nice if we could find some other substance than MDMA and 
>it's relatives with the same key properties-- i.e. empathogenic, 
>psychedelic, and stimulant.  Attempts have been made to find some kind
of herbal 
>"cocktail," but as far as I know none have been all that successful.
>

Well, except for the stimulant part, GHB is pretty close.

HOWEVER, PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT TAKE GHB AT PARTIES (or in public,
generally)

It is very easy to overdose on GHB which will make you PASS OUT for what
could be hours.

Take it AT HOME, with TRUSTWORTHY friends.

Girls, be extra careful, you are extra-sensitive to overdose.

Lets not turn this into a 2 week anti/pro GHB thread.  If you like it,
great, if not that's great too.


For ACCURATE GHB info, backed up with references from specific scientific
studies go to:

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/synthetics/ghb/ghbfaq.html


For anti-GHB propaganda, with no listing of factual references go to:
 
http://www.drugfreeamerica.org/ghb.html

	Joe
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Gabe!!:)
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>im back home from a night at the hospital...yuk i hate hospitals.. ne 
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>God So n iz doing very well. he was not expected to live at all. well 
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>alive, born at 5:42 am wedneday feb. 17th. 5lbz 3oz. his name iz Jacob 
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>Kern. a bootyfull babby boy. as i said he has shocked every1 by how 
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>doing. 1. he was not expected to live. he did :)   2. the doctors didnt 
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>he would be able to breast feed, they didnt think he would have the 
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>capacity to. hiz brains iznt all there. he is breast and bottle ffeding 
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>well. over all he iz doing extremly good so far.   
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 18 20:02:18 1999
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In a message dated 2/18/99 1:27:26 PM Central Standard Time,
jchandratat@stthomas.edu writes:

<< perhaps you are thinking of soundburnt on march 20th?
 the megarave (well, as mega as mpls gets) featuring superstar dj's 
 such as grooverider, derrick carter, lenny dee and dj spree?
 the event on the same date as the net.party? 
 speaking of net.party why haven't i heard anything about it lately?
 (...there are 44 people registered on the web) >>

March 20th..  thats right, Sorry about that one.
I'm also curious about the net party... whats happening with that one?

Jen

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So...do any of you hackers out there know how to get past a block on
my schools computer that won't let me on ICQ?  

smiles :D
lil sarah






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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 18 20:10:41 1999
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BRING BACK THE $10 PARTIES!

The growing trend in St. Louis has been $10 parties.  These aren't
shitty parties either.  After Bam came to St. Louis last year, the
kids won't stand for anymore parties over $20.  Check out the parties
coming up in St. Louis at: www.angelfire.com/mo/stlraves  just go to
the calendar section.
For you that haven't been to St. Louis in awhile...  It is definitely
on the up and up.

Stan Doublin
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>
> I think promoters should start working towards bringing parties back
to $15 at
> most every Saturday night.  I understand why some huge raves need to
charge
> $20 or $25 or $30, but every weekend!?!?  Less and less people are
going to
> raves every weekend like they used to, and I think the increased
price is the
> reason.  Like concerts are usually way more then $30, but you don't
go to
> concerts every weekend do you?  Raves are more like concerts then
parties
> lately and kids are getting more picky.  The typical Raver isn't
some rich
> suburban kid as a lot of you seem to think.  I can deal with a $25
once in a
> while, but not so often!  Promoters are overdoing it, trying to make
the big
> bucks.. but it's hurting the scene.
> my 3 cents,
> Lisa
> 
 
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Sarah :),
   Odds are, you have a firewall that is blocking IP traffic.... Kinda 
hard to beat...Not impossible.. just hard...
                                    I will try some things out and let 
you know..
             (o_0)   luv
                          Dan Sharp


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>So...do any of you hackers out there know how to get past a block on
>my schools computer that won't let me on ICQ?  
>
>smiles :D
>lil sarah
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surprisingly enough, there will be a $10 party in detroit this weekend,
going up against the huge rave featuring old dirty bastard as the
headliner.  anybody care to gimme any info on that?  i only saw the flyer
for a minute and don't remember the lineup or who's putting it on or
anything, i just remember thinking how cool it was that there was a
decently priced party happening in detroit.  but then again, it's in
detroit, so who knows........i'm getting my hopes up one more time
nonetheless.

<cough cough>
**doris**



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> going up against the huge rave featuring old dirty 
> bastard as the
> headliner.  

Isn't he still in jail?
________________________________
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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Chris Wundram wrote:

> > going up against the huge rave featuring old dirty 
> > bastard as the
> > headliner.  
> 
> Isn't he still in jail?


*lol*

copied directly from the flyer:

of the wu-tang clan
OLD DIRTY BASTARD  -- elektra records - brooklyn, ny
will he show?  isn't he in jail?  didn't he change his name to big baby
jesus?  so many questions, i can't answer them all at once.  but i'll tell
you this, btm productions is bringing you another 1st time exclusive act
to the detroit underground.  straight from the brooklyn zoo to
detroit...yes old dirty will be in detroit and we promise you won't want
to miss this show.



so THERE!!!
hahaha  =P
**doris**


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I swear i've seen those two at a party, i swear it.
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what did i miss that ol dirty is headlining a rave in detroit?

my friend saw the whole wu-tang clan play at a rave in nyc, unannounced...i
forget what it was called, but it was a bday party for frankie bones.

when i saw wu, odb wasn't in the house :(

btw, anyone interested - march 16 in columbus the HARD KNOCK LIFE tour is
playing at the schottenstein center.  tix go on sale either tommorrow or
sat (www.ticketmaster.com) and the show features redman, method man, jay-z,
dmx and special guest dj clue?



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anybody know how to view these pics for free?  give me a password or
something...
Thanks!!!
=)~*
Lisa

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How about Hometown Heros in Louisville, KY on Feb 27th??>  It's only six
bucks with like five live acts/pa's and 4 or so damn good DJ's.  Now that's
promoting!  Atta boy J-Sun!
willebear@mindspring.com

-----Original Message-----
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>BRING BACK THE $10 PARTIES!
>
>The growing trend in St. Louis has been $10 parties.  These aren't
>shitty parties either.  After Bam came to St. Louis last year, the
>kids won't stand for anymore parties over $20.  Check out the parties
>coming up in St. Louis at: www.angelfire.com/mo/stlraves  just go to
>the calendar section.
>For you that haven't been to St. Louis in awhile...  It is definitely
>on the up and up.
>
>Stan Doublin
>www.kindredgroove.com
>
>
>---PixiEg4713@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I think promoters should start working towards bringing parties back
>to $15 at
>> most every Saturday night.  I understand why some huge raves need to
>charge
>> $20 or $25 or $30, but every weekend!?!?  Less and less people are
>going to
>> raves every weekend like they used to, and I think the increased
>price is the
>> reason.  Like concerts are usually way more then $30, but you don't
>go to
>> concerts every weekend do you?  Raves are more like concerts then
>parties
>> lately and kids are getting more picky.  The typical Raver isn't
>some rich
>> suburban kid as a lot of you seem to think.  I can deal with a $25
>once in a
>> while, but not so often!  Promoters are overdoing it, trying to make
>the big
>> bucks.. but it's hurting the scene.
>> my 3 cents,
>> Lisa
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________
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In a message dated 2/18/99 2:30:27 PM Central Standard Time, dpayer@umich.edu
writes:

<< of the wu-tang clan
 OLD DIRTY BASTARD  -- elektra records - brooklyn, ny
 will he show?  isn't he in jail?  didn't he change his name to big baby
 jesus?  >>

He did, but he got shot or something because of it, I think.. hehehe, I
remember watching Conan O'Brien and he made a joke about the name change.  I
almost died laughing...
Big Baby Jesus... *lol*
bwa ha ha ha ha ha

Jen

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Ol' dirty big baby goofball licks rod... Don't wanna flame, I just think
he's fuckin' stoopid!
-----Original Message-----
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>
>On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Chris Wundram wrote:
>
>> > going up against the huge rave featuring old dirty
>> > bastard as the
>> > headliner.
>>
>> Isn't he still in jail?
>
>
>*lol*
>
>copied directly from the flyer:
>
>of the wu-tang clan
>OLD DIRTY BASTARD  -- elektra records - brooklyn, ny
>will he show?  isn't he in jail?  didn't he change his name to big baby
>jesus?  so many questions, i can't answer them all at once.  but i'll tell
>you this, btm productions is bringing you another 1st time exclusive act
>to the detroit underground.  straight from the brooklyn zoo to
>detroit...yes old dirty will be in detroit and we promise you won't want
>to miss this show.
>
>
>
>so THERE!!!
>hahaha  =P
>**doris**
>


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You're not missing anything except an upset stomach...
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>anybody know how to view these pics for free?  give me a password or
>something...
>Thanks!!!
>=)~*
>Lisa


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I remember he changed his name to Osiris when Wu Tang Forever came out,
claiming he was only ODB when he was drinking.

________________________________
Chris Wundram
c-wundram@taltrade.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sixtybus@aol.com [mailto:Sixtybus@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 3:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [mw] Bring back $10 raves! (St. Louis)
> 
> 
> In a message dated 2/18/99 2:30:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
> dpayer@umich.edu
> writes:
> 
> << of the wu-tang clan
>  OLD DIRTY BASTARD  -- elektra records - brooklyn, ny
>  will he show?  isn't he in jail?  didn't he change his name 
> to big baby
>  jesus?  >>
> 
> He did, but he got shot or something because of it, I think.. 
> hehehe, I
> remember watching Conan O'Brien and he made a joke about the 
> name change.  I
> almost died laughing...
> Big Baby Jesus... *lol*
> bwa ha ha ha ha ha
> 
> Jen
> 

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Please bring back 10 dollar parties to chi-town...or at most 20...this 
25 dollar shit..ain't hittin' it..i mean..i realize..that the cost is 
determined by the line up and the set up...but...it's breakin' a kidz 
pockets you know....i have no other "issues" with parties..here in 
chi-town...i've had a good time at everyone.....but i do like outta 
state parties...a helluva lot....now i gotta come to my birth city to 
throw down one weekend..in Detroit.....heard so much about it....anyone 
in detroit..i can kick it with........

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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:

Umm Jen, I dunno about a party being on a Tuesday night... The only reason
I point this out, is becaus March 30th is my 23rd birthday, and I get to
have zero fun that night because it's during the schoolweek, (on a Tuesday
night) but since ya'll don't know the party name anyhow, i'll let it go..
;)

It's prolly on either March 20th (same night as the Mw-raves NET PARTY) or
in the beginning of April...

> Nadine wrote:
> 
> "The next party in Minneapolis is Funky Charmz on March 6th, and I don't know
> when the next one is after that."
> 
> It's on March 30th, and I can't remember what it's called, but it costs an arm
> and a leg.  ($30) I was planning on going, but Funky Charmz definetly sounds


-Becky =)

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Oh ya?! Well, how 'bout Zoop Production's "Topspin" in Rapid City, SD (a.k.a.
VIBEsville, USA) on Friday February 26th? For the bargain price of $4 and a
canned food donation you can shake it with  locals Tilzs, Brian e, Willie and
Kine and raise the roof with DJ Spree and Cloudskipper! Happy hardcore at the
VFW??? Doesn't get any better than this!

See you all there! And don't forget to stop at the world famous Corn Palace on
your way out there!!! You won't be disappointed. Hee hee... 

http://smoke.sdsmt.edu/zoop/events/topspin

Hugz,
Tanya :)

WillEBear wrote:
> 
> How about Hometown Heros in Louisville, KY on Feb 27th??>  It's only six
> bucks with like five live acts/pa's and 4 or so damn good DJ's.  Now that's
> promoting!  Atta boy J-Sun!
> willebear@mindspring.com

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is anyone going to this party... if so, is anyone up for afterhours again?  e-
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	Lustgodess@aol.com, SenecaOH@aol.com, HOYARAVER@aol.com, VvSLUvV@aol.com,
	Moonglaze@aol.com, Happytr405@aol.com, JROCC781@aol.com,
	cpwilton@pionet.net, SassieDiva@aol.com, Xerxes1912@aol.com,
	Raindiva98@aol.com, PENRTWEETY@aol.com, PhoneKid24@aol.com,
	Seeshella@aol.com, MsTia@aol.com, Pfmgcdrgn1@aol.com, IM4U2dew@aol.com,
	nancyfredrickson@yahoo.com, Djnineiron@aol.com, Mstrlvr420@aol.com,
	ILLaVatted@aol.com, LoVehUgZ@aol.com, LeadingOne@aol.com,
	Ravahjedi@aol.com, PHISCH5@aol.com, DJSMUVE@aol.com, DJDINO314@aol.com,
	Fluxxx@aol.com, Yesca330@aol.com, JOJO7373@aol.com, Molson4you@aol.com,
	DJPOLO187@aol.com, CCSOUNDS@aol.com, RAVE2GO@aol.com, KaossOJS1@aol.com,
	Insane1717@aol.com, Phatkatt3@aol.com, OUTlllKAST@aol.com,
	Snuggwithu@aol.com, NLover@aol.com, Luniz98@aol.com, Symbaca@aol.com,
	Gruvngirle@aol.com
Subject: Party Info for Feb 20......
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:21:54 EST
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February 20, 1999
Raw Power Productions brings you
BAttleZone

Junglists to be seen

DJ Jon Gotti featurong Mc Resist-jungle mafia/st. louis
Trigga  Happy Cyko-state of mind records/omaha junglistic society
Kaoss-nextlevel records/omaha junglistic society
Fusion-spc/des moines
Moonrakker-brothas n sistas/iowa city
Jump & Lunatik-death squad/omaha

There will also be a side room of House and Techno with these Dj's to be seen

Lee-omaha 
Demonshaker-lincoln
.Com-ihob/omaha
Natron 88-ihob/lincoln
Rek-spc/des moines
Dank-omaha

This event will start at 10 pm and go til 5 am 
for a lucky $7 
No drugs, alcohol, or weapns allowed

So grab your toys and good vibes and come join 
us at the BattleZone in Omaha

For more info call 
Raw Power Line 402-633-0115
or for latest info 
rawpowerprod@hotmail.com
for any questions about the event..

Help keep the scene alive.....

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> > going up against the huge rave featuring old dirty 
>  > bastard as the
>  > headliner.  
>  
>  Isn't he still in jail?
apparently not.. 

from the info line.. and i quote:
"aint no jail shit wit dirty"

to get more great/disgusting comments from big baby jesus himself (yes, he's
on the infoline) 
call it yosef' : 313.778.2641

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Yo.

I've been on this list for less than 24 hours and I like the activity 
going on here.  I don't know why I haven't looked for a rave list 
sooner.

I spent $18 @ "Lovelife" here in St. Louis last saturday (the $15 
presales sold out), and it was really cool and I totally enjoyed myself, 
but I must say that I feel more comfortable in the more..."intimate" 
settings of smaller raves I've been to.  There's this one relatively 
small place where I always have a good time...recently Pulse and Good 
Stuff have been there.
	Good Stuff was incredible...and from what I personally know Kindred 
Groove is great about what they do no matter where it is.  At Lovelife I 
enjoyed having a lot of space to spin about with my glowsticks and 
matching glowing pacifier (to keep me from grinding my teeth to 
porcelain dust), but there's really something to be said about a 
comforting, familiar setting.  Another thing I loved about Good Stuff is 
that everyone went outside on/around the steps to smoke...there were a 
ton of people out there and it was fun a very chill atmosphere.  It 
seems like I knew more people there and it was just as good a time for 
like $7.
	I have a completely unrelated question:  Does anyone else's pupils get 
as large as their entire eyes?  On Saturday, let's just say that when I 
was looking at myself in the mirror in the bathroom, people were like, 
"Holy shit, hey come here you gotta check this guy's eyes out".  It was 
disconcerting to say the least, and the brightly lit soda machines were 
to say the least blinding.  A laser flashed in my eye and I thought I 
was blind for five minutes.  Admittedly, I indulged myself wayyyyyyy too 
much, but still...
        The following is an email my roommate got from somebody who was 
at the rave on saturday.  I think it's some pretty funny shit.  We were 
wondering why the second rink wasn't open and why it shut down early.  
This is what he said:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

what's up, thanks's for the review, the craziest thing happened. the 
second rink we were going to use as a chill out area with some lights.  
but this crazy big black man took way to much acid and took all his 
cloths off and was playing with himself. instead of having him arrested 
naked we put him in the volley ball area and hired some guards to 
babysit him all night. unfortunately from the other rink you could see 
the volleyball area totally clear. I  did not want everyone to have to 
see that. and finally after he got his cloths back on another kid fliped 
out worse than him and started taking his cloths off to and we had to 
get some more baby siters. these are the things the general people at 
the parties never realize what the promoters have to deal with. we 
closed 45 minutes early. we did have 4 people overdose and had to leave 
in ambulance's. i think by that point in time the owner had enogh of the 
crazy ass drug shit.

ps: these are party's about bringing peace,love,unity and respect 
together. i don't think there's a d plur. the drug shit has to stop it 
will ruin or scene. 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I hope no one is upset that I find this amusing, but I mean seriously 
people, instead of teaching prevention in public schools, they should 
start teaching people how to *handle* drugs if they decide to partake.  
I wish everyone's body had a governor on that would tell the brain "Ok, 
jackass, that's enough for one night" so the aforementioned amusing or 
life-threatening events wouldn't occur
        Anyway, I have to give props out to all the promoters out there, 
if that is what you do, for saving my fragile mind from indecent 
exposure.
Looking forward to chill things from this list,



           Julian

"No more drugs for this man."



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phil's phads can lay claim to the following:

1) a horrid design aesthetic which would get him laughed out of even the
gawdiest fabric store.

2) a bevvy of sickeningly ugly models who need to hit the gym and the
tanning salon.

3) a remiss webmaster who does not know how to place the images into a
properly secured directory.


have a nice day! :)



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 forget sliced!!"
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                                           -oscar levant

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ive been on this damn list for quite awhile.

im done with this subject.  no matter what i say, you'll find some way to be
an ass about it.

ta ta
liz

no harm intended, chris.
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>At 01:41 AM 2/18/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>i did think about what i wrote and read it over twice.  im not new to the
>>whole email thing.  i was simply questing your reasoning behind the
>>whole..keep the tweek out of the scene, but keep the rolls and acid idea.
>
>yes but are you new to the whole posting to a 500+ person mailing list
thing?
>
>you might've questioned someone else's reasoning becuase I don't recall
>ever saying anything about keeping or getting rid of any drugs.
>
>and if you were questioning that idea, why didn't you just question the
>idea instead of trying to philosophise about how "all drugs put you into an
>altered state and therefore are all the same?"
>
>


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but how do you know that that is in fact the real you?  if it takes a drug
to make you feel a certain way, then is that real?

curious as to what you think...
-liz

i'd really like to talk to you about this...so let's try and keep it off the
list.

-----Original Message-----
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Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 1:32 PM
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>
>>i used to think that rolling was the most wonderful thing ever..but then i
>>realized that it wasn't real.  it was a drug-induced wonderful thing.  the
>>person that i was when i was rolling wasn't the real me.
>
>many people would argue that the opposite is actually true.  that is, that
>mdma lowers inhibitions and allows your true self to come through, akin to
>when we were children and had not yet "learned" our inhibitions.  this may
>or may not be a good thing, depending on your personal tenets.  we learn
>our inhibitions for a reason...but *i* honestly think that society at large
>may do well to have a few less.
>
>
>
>***************************************************************************
*
>dj michael knight                            |  michael@hardcorps.org
>american cheese productions, ohio USA        |  michael_614@hotmail.com
>...keep tingz happy...                       |  ICQ #27890270
>
>"happy hardcore is the best thing since a whole loaf of bread!!
> forget sliced!!"
>                                           -dj phil of free art!!
>
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>                                           -oscar levant
>
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>                                           -derrick carter
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>
>


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 18 23:28:28 1999
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Does anybody watch Daria on MTV?? if so pwease email me!!
*huggies*
- Joe

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apperentlly chicago has a gang known as '84'.  they just deal drugs and
stuff, but, it's still a gang, and i dont support that at all.  other than
that, i see gang members at raves, from opposing gangs, and it's like they
don't bring politics into the party scene.  i kinda like that =]
-toy

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oh, he was obviouslly just kidding, get a sense of humor and get your
headout of your ass.  people take people on this list entirelly to
seriouslly.

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On Mon, 15 Feb 1999, Ben Mason wrote:

> michael mccusty wrote:
> 
> > hi!  i was just wondering are there any other gay gang bangers out there?!?
> >
> > i know i must not be the only one!!!
> >
> > ****PLUR****
> 
> PLUR - Peace, Love, Unity, Respect
> 
> I see you showing a lot of what you are advertising
> 
> --
> Ben
> IRC:  SUidRoot
> WWW:  http://www.crystal-night.com/~locutus
> ICQ:  11818040
> Home: locutus@crystal-night.com
> Work: ben@defrag.com
> 
> 
> 


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once again, i'm glad i'm not you.

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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Nikollaus Zorich wrote:

> Hey, I'm a newbie kid, and I was wanting to know if there was anyone out 
> there that is going to Snowed In this weekend that would be willing to 
> let me hang with them?  As a newbie to the rave scene, I don't know many 
> kidZ, but am willing to meet anyone that will just give me a chance.  If 
> you would like to go to Snowed In, and need information on the partee, 
> mail me and I'll be more than happy to send you the nfo.  All the party 
> kidZ out there, keep it real and be strong.
> 
> *HugZ*
> $cribble
> 
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>other than
>that, i see gang members at raves, from opposing gangs, and it's like they
>don't bring politics into the party scene.

they probably saw that the rave scene's politics box is already brimming
over and spilling out onto the floor and figured we were no longer
accepting donations :P



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 forget sliced!!"
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A "free" party with a canned food....thats less than like 2 bux....
so come on out, bring some energy, some smiles, and leave
the evil blue meanies at home.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 POSITIVE THURSDAYS 16
                            02.18.99
                            chicago
                    100% free (w/ canned food)
                             9-2am
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Mark Almaria
ABS/Hip House
disco house super star

Miss Bio Booster
New Type +
super dark drum & bass

Matt Positive vs. Eric Spex
WHPK/Happy League
a happy hardcore showdown!!

D'Chopsticks
Grasshopper Nation
ragga and jump up jungle

Nick Skulic
His Bedroom
2 turntables and a MPC

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Positive Thursdays is back and as usual, we only want people who are
interested in good music and having a good time. No crackheads or glass
fiends allowed....any negativity and the positive stormtroopers will show
you the door :)

Please respect the space and *please* bring a canned food for St.
Sylvestor's parish......

ring up the info lines next week for directions:

Happy League/Positive Kids: 1.773.509.6437
happyleague1@yahoo.com
Untranslatable: 1.312.329.6126
also check us out at: http//pubnix.org/~happy
================================================




         .tj.
.triggerhippie. 
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> If anyone didn't see this plain dealer article in 
> wednesday's paper, it can be read at 
> http://www.cleveland.com/teen/next/021799rave.phtml.  > This article
was written from a fellow seanster.  
> It's about time we got some good representation.  

thanks for finding that. i searched all over that stupid site for it.
who/where is "seanster"? also in the article there is this word "boi"
that is supposed to mean boy but it makes no sense. i'll type out here
the part of the article not on the webpage. i cannot be held
responsible for the inaccuracies in the definitions, like us being
called self-proclaimed hippies + compared to deadheads (what the fuck?
i feel insulted :6 and am NOT a hippie or anything like a deadhead),
or the use of the word "electronica." *winces*
-------------------------------------------------------
  Rave--A vibrant, electronic music subculture, revolving around
secret, underground dance parties outdoors or in abandoned warehouses.
("Rave is not a noun," Scott Henry, a celebrity dance disc jockey from
Washington, D.C., told the Washington Post. "It's a way of life. It's
an open mind, a willingness to accept people for who they are, whoever
they are.")

  Raver--Self proclaimed hippie generation of the post-
computer age. Eddie Bang, employee of a New York City techno music
store, told the New York Times, "They're tribally devoted to the
scene. In many respects they are like Deadheads, another movement of
mostly white, middle-class youths drawn to gaudy neo-hippy clothing
and trance-inducing."

  Techno--The catchall phrase for the futuristic dance music often
played at raves. Also called electronica. It contains samplers,
keyboards, and drum machines, sequenced together through computers.
Subgenres: minimal techno, jungle, drum 'n' bass, trance, trip-
hop. However, the artists are often anonymous, so DJs are elevated to
the role of star, spinning electronica music, often until dawn. (Music
simulates the drug trip, often taking on a trance-induced quality,
allowing listeners to forget about their surroundings.)

  Ecstacy--A designer drug also called MDMA, "E" or "X" and thought to
induce empathy, hence the ravers' utopian friendliness and heightened
sense of color and touch. The drug, suspected of causing brain damage,
may do lasting harm by causing key nerve cells in the brain to grow
back abnormally, according to results of a Johns Hopkins animal study.

  P. L. U. R.--The rave motto of "Peace, Love, Unity, Respect."

  Raver "toys"--Rings, bracelets, necklaces, stickers, and candy
pacifiers (used to keep ecstacy users from grinding their teeth and
now is just a fashion statement for some). Harks back to India where
women are adorned as goddesses for celebrations.
-------------------------------------------------------
-elias

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whole point of this sentence is.
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as a help let me recamend burst for your sound.. not only can they come up
with a rig to suit any space.. they run their shit like pro's! thats why
they have done sound atthe universe parties in uk .. they did the detroit
tent and were requested by several of its performers...   they have a
website. it may be burst .com...    anyway i used there gear for a free
party i threw in bloomington in a while back..  spacelingsandbaseheads
live pa and dubtribe spinning..  and supprinsingly there gear sounded
awesome for both despite the insanity of the engineer forthe night totally
bugging out... (dean isnt their regular  engineer..it was a special deal
since they completely donated there shit for the night....)

top notch gear through and through....     let me know if i can be of
further assistance....
						peace,

john

PaRaNoRmAl.... .  .   .     .       .            .anaidnI


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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:29:34 -0600, in response to michael mccusty, 
"SYCJIX" <sycjix@uti.com> writes:
>but how do you know that that is in fact the real you?  if it takes a 
>drug
>to make you feel a certain way, then is that real?
>

You are both right and you both touched on a very interesting subject -->
 as far as drug use is concerned, when you use a drug, technically you
alter your brain chemistry from what it would be naturally, hence,
chemically, YOU ARE NOT YOU.  However, certain drugs have a positive
impact on one's psychology:  through drug experiences, ppl can become
closer to their "true selves", have less psychological restraints as far
as inhibitions, and frankly alot can be learned about oneself and ones
environment through drug experiences.  (this is why LSD has been used by
psychiatrists to treat the mentally ill - in that state, you can't hide
from yourself, as it dissolves your boundaries)

In my personal experience with E, it seems like the drug gets you in
touch with some feelings, however I think it also amplifies them to a
degree (example: ever have someone confess their [romantic] feelings to
you  when you're both rolling, only to have them not feel -quite- the
same when they're sober??  actually, i think they mention this in 'E is
for Ecstacy')   Not that it isn't wonderful and probably the ultimate
feel good drug..  But anyways...

Whether your motivation with your drug use is to learn or to just be a
crackhead, I think it's safe to say you have to be smart about drug use:
there's healthy and unhealthy drug use, as weird as that may sound.  I
can attest from personal experience --> I currently am not on drugs, but
I'm not drug free either.  There was about a year and a half of my life
where I was an extreme crackhead, and at the time I was unhealthy and
irresponsible about my drug use.  At that point in my life -- I lost my
creative spark, my intellect, my ambitions, my personality and nearly
lost my life, and THAT WASN'T ME, chemicallly.  I'm a writer and I didn't
write anything for a year straight.  After I stopped bombarding my system
with chemicals, I slowly became myself chemically again, and now I'm my
old self again.....  Despite the things I went through, and almost
loosing myself, I wouldn't trade in the knowledge I gained about myself
and the world around me through drug experience for anything.  Actually,
me & my mom just got into this mad heated debate about who I'd be today
if I had never taken drugs, and my reply was "I would be a total mess." 
Okay, I'm starting to ramble, (which is the last thing this insane list
needs--more pointless mail)  But in closing, I'd like to just say as far
as drugs are concerned, if you feel your brain chemistry is probably
glowing green like toxic waste and you feel yourself lose your soul to
the small amount of powder left in the bottom of that cracksack, you
might want to think about this quote from mainstream psychology: "A
person on drugs is not a person."

X's and O's, 
jessica/jesc
-drug enlightenment practitioner-

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represent the genre you feel  :)  :)  :) 
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In a message dated 2/18/99 7:11:44 PM Central Standard Time,
soulbeatz@juno.com writes:

> when you use a drug, technically you
>  alter your brain chemistry from what it would be naturally, hence,
>  chemically, YOU ARE NOT YOU.

So when I take some aspirin and change my brain chemistry, I am not ME?  Or
when I drink too much cafeenee "I AM NOT ME".???  I think everyone needs to
realize not all drugs are the same, and shouldn't be treated as such.  

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In a message dated 2/18/99 4:34:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
loki319@hotmail.com writes:

> Please bring back 10 dollar parties to chi-town...or at most 20...this 
>  25 dollar shit..ain't hittin' it..i mean..i realize..that the cost is 
>  determined by the line up and the set up...but...it's breakin' a kidz 
>  pockets you know....

breaking kids pockets? how? everytime i am in chicago, people are always
fucked up to hi hell on e or meth, so how is it breaking their pockets if they
got enough left for drugs? lay off drugs, and your pocket book isn't as
damaged... 

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PixiEg4713@aol.com wrote:

>So when I take some aspirin and change my brain chemistry, I am not ME?  Or
>when I drink too much cafeenee "I AM NOT ME".???  I think everyone needs to
>realize not all drugs are the same, and shouldn't be treated as such.

	From a literal standpoint, no you are not you.  If you take a
baseline measurement of yourself while in a completely natural state ( er..
right)  and compare it to the one after injesting one of the aformentioned
drugs, it will be different.  If it makes you a different person or not is
another story.  Also, what  constitutes "me"?  Is it the sum total of your
body?  Is it your brain?  Is it some cloudy perception of a "soul" or
"life-energy"?  There are many different perceptions of "me", I percieve my
"me" differently than you do.  If I walk around in a state of constant
depression or always have the  felling that " something's just not right"
and the consumption of a substance makes you feel 'normal', then who's to
say that's not really "you"?  Hell, the people marketing Prozac and Paxil,
and the rest of the aniti-depressants have been doing that for years.

more fuel for the fire...






                                               -jp
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                                               <randomly stimulating>
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Eucalyptus Productions' & Drop Bass Network's
Thumper
A Midwest Event

April 03, 1999
Madison, Wisconsin


dawning/birth - relationships/sharing - reality/actuality


All tribes of the Midwest massive are invited to come and represent.  Grab
your whistles and glowsticks, pack your backpacks, fill your cars with
friends, and join the caravans of roadtrippers heading our way.  And don't
forget those smiles and positive vibes.  It's time to make the journey to
Madison for some fresh talent, fresh ideas, and a fresh party vibe.  Let's
blow this one up! Midwest style...


learning/discovery - experience/awareness - destruction/creation


*the Kooky Scientist*
Live electronic demonstration
Boston
Telepathic, Plus 8
Bringing all the girls and boys beakers full of Easter joy, hippity hoppity
ecstasy is on its way.  Behold the finest in pure minimal techno that only a
genuine scientist could execute, taking you through a time warp in a musical
space time continuum.

*Geezer live*
United Kingdom
Stay Up Forever, Smitten, Tortured, Routemaster, Boscaland, Bionic Orange
For over five years Guy "Geezer" McAffer has been instrumental in the
development of the *avin' it acid techno and trance* sound unique to the
London underground.  He's coming to rock the custard in this egg-stra special
first ever U.S. appearance!

*Kode IV live*
San Francisco
Ceiba Records, Superstition, SPV, KK Records
The spirit of the trance dance experience is to set off a chain reaction in
consciousness.  Kode IV has been devoted to and spreading the trance message
for over ten years with his funky psycheclectic goa trance sound.  Hippity
hoppity bliss is on the way with this first ever Midwest appearance.

*DJ Pierre*
Chicago/New Jersey
DJ-P Records, Strictly Rhythm, Trax
We're talking about a straight-up house music legend who is recognized around
the world as The Don.  DJ Pierre is a pioneer producer who, as part of the
group Phuture, brought to life one of the greatest styles of music ever -"ACID
House".  Never one to rest on his laurels, DJ Pierre has kept pumping out the
classic tracks since those early days.

*DJ Funk*
Chicago
DanceMania
Watchin' all the ladies flail, droppin' bombs on the bunny trail.  Smack-ity
Daddy-ity ghetto's on the way.  Yo, get ready to get bitch slapped with a
midnight booty call!  What this music turns a crowd into should be
illegal...and it probably is!

*Flux*
San Francisco 
B.A.S.S. Kru, Compound Records
An innovator pure and simple. Founder of the legendary San Francisco B.A.S.S.
Kru who was among the first to introduce drum 'n bass to the Bay Area.  Get
set to drop some B.A.S.S.

*with MC Kid Entropy*
Chicago
Tellin' it like it is, like the DNA testing; got Saturday night locked tight,
like Kelly Preston. Matters of suggestion, addressed in rom; to my afterlife,
at a.o.hell dot com.


*Nick Nice*
Madison
Nice Musique, Fromage Power 105.9
It just wouldn't be a real Midwest Event without this Midwest legend.  Nick
kicks off Thumper with a special extended set of hare-raising house excursions
to get the vibe going and start the night out right.

*Jesse Collins*
Madison
A Midwestern up-and-comer who in just over the past year has proven to be one
of the most talented dj's Madison has ever seen or heard. Expect the
unexpected from one of his jungle sets.

Man Has Entered The Forrest!
!tserroF ehT deredtnE saH naM


rebirth/regroup - strength/continue - wisdom/understanding


*Where's this happening?:  legal 20,000 square foot Madison area warehouse  

*Can you feel what I hear?  the Badger Wall of Bass just got better

*presenting the Electric Light Orchestra:  Badger & Headlights Easter eye candy

*What's that, up in the sky?:  Light Fantastik multiple argon laser
retinazation stimulation

*Theatrical Decor:  conceptual thematic manifestation permeating fore to hind

*Washing down the candy: Novel-Logik gaian juice bar

*Event production: Drop Bass Network Support Squad, Eucalyptus Midwest Bass,
and Mirnaame

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will be scattered all across the venue.  Come early to get the goodEEs.


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DJ Pierre sux.


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tonight, thursday february 18th from midnight to 2am, WSUM- madison student
radio presents another edition of the playaz club.

featuring

CHRISE and DICA on 3 tables (yes, our first attempt at the 3rd table)

plus special guest

DJ DRAKE

so tune in and hear the "phat tuneage"

realaudio at
http://wsum.wisc.edu

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 lay off drugs, and your pocket book isn't as
>damaged... 
>
honestly, i'm not into the drugs....i used to be...and i woke up one 
day...and realized all that shit wasn't for me..but i'm not talking 
about the drugs....i'm talkin' about the prices of parties....alot of 
kidz here have spoken about how hi it is to go to a party now..and 
they're are not talking about the drugs....i wouldn't generalize the 
population of the chicago ravers..by just a couple of visits...for the 
most part people who have been in the chicago scene for awhile don't go 
to parties for the drugs...it's the younger generation that does....and 
i can't speak for them...i can only speak for myself when i 
say..parties...are way up there these days...and that is a factor in me 
actually attending....(not to mention the price of water at parties 
these days...shit...) this email is not to bite back at you...but i just 
think the drug issue...isn't really at play here...it's the actual cost 
of entering the party....:)


ciao



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here is the playlist from the live mix of today's show (2/18)


ARTIST                      TITLE                     LABEL

Ratio                       Welcome to Central        Central

Access 58                   My Land                   Pacific

CDC Crew                    SW33 various artists      Synewave

Midi Slut                   Trace Elements 4          21/22 Corp.

Counterattack               Unspecified Enemies       Counterattack

Christian Vogel             Syncopate to Generate     Sativae

Cari Lekebusch              Nar Dimman Sanker Sig     Proper

Heiko Laux                  Soul Dancer               Kurbel

Christian Smith             Tronic Phunc              Primevil

Fanon Flowers               Collective Conciousness   Sonic Mind

Damon Wild vs. Function     SW28                      Synewave ltd.

Surgeon                     East Light                Dynamic Tension

Percy X                     Day 3                     Soma

Cosmic Spore                Germ                      Seismic

Jay Denham                  People's Revolution       Black Nation

2CB                         Wurd (2CB #6)             2CB

246                         Go Up                     Reel Musiq

Skyways (Stephen Brown)     ED1 (SCA #2)              Scandinavia



Thanks to all who called in and emailed during the broadcast/netcast

until next week...

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[awake]
[dream]
[hypnosis]
[sensory deprivation]
[naturally altered (sickness, adrenaline, depression..)]
[altered by chemical substance]

all distinct and interrelated yet from the same palette.  all biochemical
interactions.  spend too much time in one state and it affects you
physically, hence psychologically.  in a way that is profoundly different
from the outcome had there been an alternate set of variables.  whether
that is good or bad for you is entirely based on how that effect relates to
your perception of 'self.'  because as we all know, meaning is arbitrary
and merely a result of contrast.

which means we're all kind of saying the same thing on this thread?  make
yr opinions known, keep yr mind open, keep yr 'objective' preaching and
wack drugs to yrself (preferably in the confines of yr own closet and not
all over everyone's bandwidth), and have as good a time as possible (as
defined on yr own terms, of course).  as silly as it may sound.

{xenon}


'is my voice here speaking disembodied as a fragment of somebody else's
memory made external is that my representation? is the air molecules that
my breath is vibrating is that my representation? so it's like a physics of
presence.  but, with rhythm.'  - dj spooky


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i would disregard whatever Chris Wundram says on account of the fact that
he is insane.

----------
> From: Chris Wundram <c-wundram@taltrade.com>
> To: Midwest Raves Mailing List (E-mail) <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Subject: RE: [mw] Bring back $10 raves! (St. Louis)
> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 2:23 PM
> 
> > going up against the huge rave featuring old dirty 
> > bastard as the
> > headliner.  
> 
> Isn't he still in jail?
> ________________________________
> Chris Wundram
> c-wundram@taltrade.com 
> 

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I've been told a little bit about some house party happening this weekend.
but all I got was the address.. anyone got any info on this?  info lines?
know whos spinning?

thanks!
Jen!

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i thought he changed his name to "big baby jesus"?  haha.  what a hoot.


>> going up against the huge rave featuring old dirty 
>> bastard as the
>> headliner.  
>
>Isn't he still in jail?
>________________________________
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Wondering where the pics of the net-meet in stl are posted.. or if they are
posted at all..(grin)....


Suzi....

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I think he changed it to Big Fuckin' Moron
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>i thought he changed his name to "big baby jesus"?  haha.  what a hoot.
>
>
>>> going up against the huge rave featuring old dirty 
>>> bastard as the
>>> headliner.  
>>
>>Isn't he still in jail?
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>>c-wundram@taltrade.com 
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(a little late for the thread, but..)

the opposite of rave:

two university cops just gave the police knock on my door in order to talk
to my intoxicated, olfactorily-assaulting (not to mention utterly
non-communicative, tv(by which i mean sally, impeachment trial, nick at
nite, friends, real world)-addicted, and generally pointless) roommate.
seems he stumbled out of a car and up the steps a little shloggy-like.  a
kid on the fourth floor died last weekend when he went to a few too many
parties and cracked his skull in the bathroom (all due sympathies, but
death does weird things to people; it's a strange moment to drift
downstairs to see the majority of yr dormmates watching a news broadcast
and look out the window to a blinding white light because the news team is
transmitting live), so they're understandably a little sensitive
campus-wide, specifically here.  my roomy couldn't remember off hand his
social or, apparently, even his birthdate.  he was required to go to the
emergency room right away.  

[little note to anyone who hasn't dealt with the law much or at all: when
he said 'not that much' and the cop said 'how much is not that much?' and
he said '6.. just 6 beers' - too many!  if drinking, never admit more than
like 1.  (if on something that can't be tested, like lsd (i'm not sure
about e) don't admit anything, or better yet challenge them to give you a
fucking test right fucking now.)  similar thing happened to me a couple
years back.  (not to be like 'oh dude man i was so fucked up yo!!!' but for
my point of advice) i was beer-bonging straight voddy and got taken in on a
subsequent incident.. i told them maybe six shots of voddy and my dad was
like 'six.. i don't mean to tell you to lie, but you shouldn't have been so
honest' and i was like 'you think i was being honest?' but really i could
have just as easily said one and it could have made my judge happier with
the police report.  moral of the story: my roommate is dumb.]

all i have to say to him,
 (in the tone of some wifebeaterdad saying,
  'i'll give you something to cry about!')
"i'll show you no fun!"


irreverently amused
but certainly not raving

{xenon}



'the only time i can be serious is when i'm on acid'
- me, earlier today, to the friend who dared them 
          to fucking test him right fucking now


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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Brad Owen wrote:

> this friday...
> 
> solidstate and erotishock invite you to another session of late-night
> lovin...
> 
ooooh love ta love ta love ya.

> FADED

i'm hoping to finally be at one of these again after 3 months.
if jew see me (and jew probably will), say hi. i'm bald.

i'll probably get there late since i shall bare witness to outkast in
milwaukee beefoe hand.

love ta love ya baby... not outkast, i know.  but i really do love ta love
ta love ya.  jump back, wanna kiss muhhself.  good GOD! HEEYYYYYY!!

ya betta retrospect,
Chad

"too hot in tha hot tub...burn me black."

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give me some food.


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Well folks there may be a after party this weekend.  I will not be able to
attend to either seeing him spin at Velvet or the after party as I will be
in Des Moines seeing the musical RENT.....totally awesome musical!  Anyway
there maybe an after hours with Dan....it all depends on when his flight
home is.  He has a gig on Sunday night and wants to get some sleep...I don't
blame him...but if the plane outta here is late enough he will be at the
after-hours.

For info and directions call the Sat night.

Call Boogie Knights Info Line here in STL at 314-567-2041.  It will hook u
up.

Peace and Love,

Toby

PS

Robin?  Aaron?  Tammy?  Someone had better shake it one time for me!  =)


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http://www.angelfire.com/il/meowmix/2.html 
<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/il/meowmix/2.html">meowmix</A>

it's a little updated.

FF 

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another smashing night...  thanks to dj drake for playing on our show and
doug for letting us use his table

here's what was played:

dj drake:
bad company - the bridge -bad company
solo & ross - roll the dice -blueprint
j. majik - transmission - metalheadz
IC1 - the basic - 5HQ
roni size/reprazent - watching windows (dj die rmx) - talkin loud
dj abstract - music&life - rawkus
john b - ole - formation 
perfect combination - friction - partisan
photek - rings around saturn - science
dj krust - true stories - talkin loud

chrise & dica:
(might not be totally accurate since we got a little crazy with the 3rd table)
sublogics - logic- audio blueprint
ma4 - bull terrier - formation
source direct -mind weaver - science
john b - travelogue remix - formation
dj teebee - back to my roots - audio coture
flatlinerz - satanic verses (acapella)- def jam
matrix - medicine remix - virus
brubaker - jilted - gyration
decorum - contrax - liftin spirits
jonny l - moving thru air (optical rmx) - XL
usual suspects - killa bees - renegade hardware
dillinja - thugs - test
pish posh feat. dj seven - onikiroshi - rawkus
brubaker - seven - gyration
delinquent habits - think you're bad (acapella) - PMP
ed rush, optical & fierce - alien girl - prototype (2 copies)
stormshadow - omerta - vinyl syndicate
sniper feat. mc gq - dubplate pressure remix - vinyl syndicate
ed rush & optical - slip thru - virus
ryme tyme - fracture - saigon
ram trilogy - mind overload - ram
vortex feat. john b - crystal wind - hard beats
dan doormouse - skelechairs - deadly systems
dom & optical - quadrant six (fierce rmx) - audio coture


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So,

	Imagine your roomate coming home with a bottle of your favorite
liquor (or beer, drug, etc..)  .  You then go to a house party  ( a
birthday party for a mutual  friend ), and  your roomate leaves you with
the bottle.  You then procede to consume a majority of the bottles contents
in the  course of the  evening.  You then come home intoxicated enough to
wake said roomate up to explain your state of being.  " I love you,
man/bro/sister!" syndrome)  Unfortunately, said roomate is in bed with
another person.  I forgot to mention, aformentioned roomate is involved
with another person, albeit in a rather strange relationship, but still in
a relationship.  Do you;


	a:  Ignore transgretion, even though you  are down with roomates
significant other ?
	b:  Wait for a specific period of time before bringing up the
transgretion?
	c:  Burst into  roomates room, other parties  be damned, and demand
a fucking explanation
	     from your roomate for being so stupid?
	d:  any other possible outcome of your choice.  You tell me.


thanks.  this has been going on for a while and I really feel the need to
do something about it.





                                               -jp
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Hey to the kid who was asking on here who was going to this party?  The
newbie?

Well disregard all the other assholes on here who flamed you because you
asked more that....*ekk*....ONCE....if anyone was going. Oh the horror!
Gosh, you are such a freak for being excited and happy for finding out about
raves....whatever. Yeah lets bring him down cuz god forbid some new life be
breathed into the scene... Sure they flame you for a repeated request for
friendship but they just forgot to bitch about the other 32,  1 liner 10
message flame wars we have all the time.

Anyway, I hope you go...I hope there is a net meet.....and I hope you make
some good friends.  Go alone if you have too...you will make friends.  Don't
let the jaded bitter fucks on here drag you down....not EVERYONE on here has
an attitude...well at least a few of us are left.

Peace and Good Luck!

Toby


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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Sharp <kode_@hotmail.com>
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> Net-meet anyone???
>           Dan Sharp (o_0)
>>
>
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>> If anyone didn't see this plain dealer article in
>> wednesday's paper, it can be read at
>> http://www.cleveland.com/teen/next/021799rave.phtml.  > This article
>was written from a fellow seanster.
>> It's about time we got some good representation.
>
>thanks for finding that. i searched all over that stupid site for it.
>who/where is "seanster"?

i believe he meant scenester


>  Raver "toys"--Rings, bracelets, necklaces, stickers, and candy
>pacifiers (used to keep ecstacy users from grinding their teeth and
>now is just a fashion statement for some). **Harks back to India where
>women are adorned as goddesses for celebrations.**

hrmm, i missed that part somewhere in my raver handbook. although i did
explain my big pants to my mom once as my modern-day version of the long
full skirts women used to wear in the days before femininity went to sleep
(yes i'm bitter because i was never expected to wear a hoopskirt)


pixie


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i watch it...why?
P.

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 RaVeR1420@aol.com wrote:

> Does anybody watch Daria on MTV?? if so pwease email me!!
> *huggies*
> - Joe
>


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i watched it the other morning...it was the sing-song episode.....it was 
quite amusing plus i like janine garofollo (sp)

loki319P


>i watch it...why?
>P.
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>On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 RaVeR1420@aol.com wrote:
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>> Does anybody watch Daria on MTV?? if so pwease email me!!
>> *huggies*
>> - Joe
>>
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got this off the DC raves mailing list... for those of you who don't like it,
just press <DELETE> and e-mail me privately - i don't care... this list also
needed something sweet and nice to go around - anyways - much love, carla

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Just something to lighten the mood and make people think a little in the
midst of all this bickering and fighting.  Sorry if some people feel this
is a worthless post.

Lots of Luv
Tiff :-)~ 


     1. In kindergarten your idea of a good friend was the person who
let you have the red crayon when all that was left was the ugly black
one.           2. In first grade your idea of a good
friend was the person who went to the bathroom with you and held your
hand as you walked through the scary halls.           3.
In second grade your idea of a good friend was the person who helped you
stand up to the class bully.           4. In third grade
your idea of a good friend was the person who shared their lunch with
you when you forgot yours on the bus.           5. In
fourth grade your idea of a good friend was the person who was willing
to switch square dancing partners in gym so you wouldn't have to be
stuck do-si-do-ing with Nasty Nicky or Smelly Susan.        
  6. In fifth grade your idea of a friend was the person who saved a
seat on the back of the bus for you.           7. In sixth
grade your idea of a friend was the person who went up to Nick or Susan,
your new crush, and asked them to dance with you, so that if they said
no you wouldn't have to be embarrassed.           8. In
seventh grade your idea of a friend was the person who let you copy the
social studies homework from the night before that you had.
         9. In eighth grade your idea of a good friend was
the person who helped you pack up your stuffed animals and old baseball
cards so that your room would be a "high schooler's" room, but didn't
laugh at you when you  finished and broke out into tears. 
         10. In ninth grade your idea of a good friend was
the person who went to that "cool" party thrown by a senior so you
wouldn't wind up being the only freshman there.          
11. In tenth grade your idea of a good friend was the person who changed
their schedule so you would have someone to sit with at lunch.
         12. In eleventh grade your idea of a good friend
was the person who gave you rides in their new car, convinced your
parents that you  shouldn't be grounded, consoled you when you broke up
with Nick or Susan, and found  you a date to the prom. 
         13. In twelfth grade your idea of a good friend
was the person who helped you pick out a college, assured you that you
would get into that college, helped you deal with your parents who were
having a hard time adjusting to the idea of letting you go...
         14. At graduation your idea of a good friend was
the person who was crying on the inside but managed the biggest smile
one could give as they congratulated you.           15.
The summer after twelfth grade your idea of a good friend was  the
person who helped you clean up the bottles from that party, helped you
sneakout of the house when you just couldn't deal with your parents,
assured  you that now that you and Nick or you and Susan were back
together, you could  make it through anything, helped you pack up for
college and just silently  hugged you as you looked through blurry eyes
at 18 years of memories you were  leaving behind, and finally on those
last days of childhood, went out of their way to give you reassurance
that you would make it in college as well as you had these past 18
years, and most importantly sent you off to  college knowing you were
loved. 
         16. Now, your idea of a good friend is still the
person who gives you the better of the two choices, hold your hand when
you're scared, helps you fight off those who try to take advantage of
you, thinks of you at times  when you are not there, reminds you of what
you have forgotten, helps you put the  past behind you but understands
when you need to hold on to it a little longer, stays with you so that
you have confidence, goes out of their way to make time for you, helps
you clear up your mistakes, helps you deal with  pressure from others,
smiles for you when they are sad, helps you become a better person, and
most importantly loves you!           Pass on to those
friends of the past, and those of the future...and those  you have met
along the way... 
         Thank you for being a friend. No matter where we
go or who we become, never forget who helped us get there.
         There's never a wrong time to pick up a phone or
send a message telling  your friends how much you miss them or how much
you love them. 
         You know who you are, pass it on to someone who
you want to remind. So  send this to all your friends and maybe those
who aren't but just watch and  see who sends it back. 
         If you love someone, tell them. Remember always
to say what you mean.  Never be afraid to express yourself. Take this
opportunity to tell someone what they mean to you. Seize the day and
have no regrets. Most  importantly, stay close to your friends and
family, for they have helped make you the  person that you are today and
are what it's all about anyway. Pass this along to your friends. Let it
make a difference in your day and theirs.  The difference between
expressing love and having regrets is that the regrets may stay around
forever.           If you've received this it is because
someone cares for you and it means  there is probably at least someone
for whom you care.

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i agree with loki. maybe you should find some other way to vent your
hostilities. just because someone can't afford to pay $25 every weekend does
not mean they are doing drugs every weekend. I have rent, car insurance and
other car-related expenses, heat, water, electric, food, etc etc, and I
really can't afford to lay down that much money each weekend (in addition to
extra gas and food money for the weekend) who the hell has money to do drugs
after this ? (besides the crackheads, and that wasn't the answer i was
looking for)

sorry, but i'm actually trying to save money and get ahead in life, rather
than live paycheck to paycheck, and i really don't think it's necessary to
support promoters who feel the need to make a huge production out of every
event they plan. unfortunately, this is making it nearly impossible for me
to have the level of involvment that I once had. For a party with 5
headliners or more, a $20-$30 tag is expected. This is not the case however,
since its mostly parties with 2 or 3 headliners and several local or
regional djs. Sorry, but thats not worth 25 bones to me. Maybe some think
that this is not the right attitude, but I just can't justify spending this
amount of money for something that just a couple years ago would have cost
10, maybe 15 dollars. Look at ele_mental parties: a good line-up of
dedicated talent in a hassle-free environment where you could mingle with
the rest of the audio-philes and have a very enjoyable evening for less than
$10. I don't really see anyone else trying to do what ed did for the scene.
maybe i'm wrong, but thats my opinion. its frustrating when 3 years ago i
could support myself and still party every weekend (and yes, at that period
in my life, do lots of drugs) and still have plenty of money left over, but
hey, back then, paying $15 to see several headliners wasn't uncommon at all,
and the friday nite house party was still in effect,  and promoters still
had respect for other promoters in the region, and worked with them to keep
multiple parties in the area to a minimum, and all that old-skool rant bs as
usual. What I don't understand is why promoters have to keep bringing the
same damn djs every weekend. The dj's that were headliners 4 years ago when
I started are the same headliners now, and after 4 years, why would I want
to pay $25 to see the same dj i've seen once a month for the past 4 years.

blah. every time i see this thread, it really irritates me to see the
close-minded "I'm a true raver and you're not cause you do drugs" mentality.
And thats really what you're saying, isn't it? You just automatically
assumed that just because someone doesn't see the necessity in pricey
parties, they must be on drugs. Why don't you lay off and re-evaluate your
attitude towards the scene and the people in it? I understand that there are
many, many people who fit the picture you are making, but why waste your
time (and mine) with ignorant one-line jabs at people who really don't
matter, and who give a rats ass what you think about what they do. why not
stop and think about what you are doing (ie wasting bandwidth with negative
comments when we really don't need any more of them, thank you very much)
and construct an intelligent, constructive answer to the question.

pixie




> lay off drugs, and your pocket book isn't as
>>damaged...
>>
>honestly, i'm not into the drugs....i used to be...and i woke up one
>day...and realized all that shit wasn't for me..but i'm not talking
>about the drugs....i'm talkin' about the prices of parties....alot of
>kidz here have spoken about how hi it is to go to a party now..and
>they're are not talking about the drugs....i wouldn't generalize the
>population of the chicago ravers..by just a couple of visits...for the
>most part people who have been in the chicago scene for awhile don't go
>to parties for the drugs...it's the younger generation that does....and
>i can't speak for them...i can only speak for myself when i
>say..parties...are way up there these days...and that is a factor in me
>actually attending....(not to mention the price of water at parties
>these days...shit...) this email is not to bite back at you...but i just
>think the drug issue...isn't really at play here...it's the actual cost
>of entering the party....:)
>
>
>ciao
>
>
>
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>*   that made a lion outta me"---Esthero             *
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>Anyway, I hope you go...I hope there is a net meet.....and I hope you make
>some good friends.  Go alone if you have too...you will make friends.

i went to my first party alone. not only that, but i had absolutely no
previous knowledge of raves before hand. trust toby and me, you will make
friends and meet people. not everyone is like some of the bitter old farts
on here =)

*hugZ*
pixie


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>not everyone is like some of the bitter old farts
>on here =)
>

hey i resemble that remark :-/

iySyS



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wht is up with this party i heard about? is it goin down??

bom shankar!
--boo


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michael mccusty wrote:

> >i used to think that rolling was the most wonderful thing ever..but then i
> >realized that it wasn't real.  it was a drug-induced wonderful thing.  the
> >person that i was when i was rolling wasn't the real me.
>
> many people would argue that the opposite is actually true.  that is, that
> mdma lowers inhibitions and allows your true self to come through, akin to
> when we were children and had not yet "learned" our inhibitions.  this may
> or may not be a good thing, depending on your personal tenets.  we learn
> our inhibitions for a reason...but *i* honestly think that society at large
> may do well to have a few less.

Well, I would tend to agree there.  MDMA seems to turn off many of the
evolved human neuroses that we are familiar with and make us simply
say/do whatever comes to mind.  This can be good in that we as humans
spend entirely too much time acting and "putting on a front."  This can
also be bad in that these, albeit excessive, neurotic blocks that we have
have evolved for a reason: to protect us from getting into situations in
which we are hurt by other people or accidentally hurt other people
ourselves.  So, turning them off like a switch all the sudden can be a bit
dangerous.  Some people who are extremely repressed seem to "wig
out" on E-- they simply can't handle it when all their repressed desires
and feelings come to the surface all at once and they act like a total
idiot, offend people, and generally embarrass themselves.  For instance,
one of the listmembers (forget who!) told me a story at Hullabaloo 9
when I was in the chill room about some kid who took E for the first
time, met some girl at the party who was also rollin, and then proceeded
to walk all over the party asking anyone if they had a condom.  We
would simply laugh at this, but think about how stupid and embarrassed
this kid must have felt after the drug wore off...

Of course, E is a bit more complex than that.  It doesn't just drop
inhibitions.  I've seen similar things happen with Alcohol, which does
mostly just drop inhibitions.  E is "psychedelic."  Allow me to give my
quick definition of the term:

Psychedelic: A substance which fundamentally alters some aspect
of human cognition in a functional manner (i.e. not just inebriating).
For example, LSD alters the comprehension of ideological principles
in interesting ways.  (anyone who's ever done LSD knows what I'm
talking about)

E seems to have one particular psychedelic effect that, when meshed
with the lowering of inhibitions, can be quite beautiful (but also a bit
dangerous as well).  E is "empathogenic."  It facilitates human bonding.
This is why, while E does lower inhibitions, you almost *never* see any
kind of violence while under the influence.  You just love everyone too
much.  :-)  I've called E a "social psychedelic."

On a rather comical side-note, when the government was involved with
it's massive search for truth drugs (MKULTRA and ARTICHOKE and
the like) it experimented with MDA and MDMA.  These substances do
drop inhibitions and do seem to be truth drugs, but only in an emotional
sense.  This coupled with the empathogenic effect makes them kinda
useless to the military.  They found that a prisoner dosed with MDA or
MDMA would, rather than revealing secrets, simply talk about their
emotions and would sometimes express love and understanding for the
captors (but still would not reveal any military secrets since they also
expressed endless love for their home country).

Some rather comical scenes come to mind...

"Who is your commanding officer!?!"
"I am so sorry that we must be enemies and I can't wait until we are
all together with Allah and all of this can be forgotten!!"



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jp wrote:

>So,
>
>	Imagine your roomate coming home with a bottle of your favorite
>liquor (or beer, drug, etc..)  .  You then go to a house party  ( a
>birthday party for a mutual  friend ), and  your roomate leaves you with
>the bottle.  You then procede to consume a majority of the bottles contents
>in the  course of the  evening.  You then come home intoxicated enough to
>wake said roomate up to explain your state of being.  " I love you,
>man/bro/sister!" syndrome)  Unfortunately, said roomate is in bed with
>another person.  I forgot to mention, aformentioned roomate is involved
>with another person, albeit in a rather strange relationship, but still in
>a relationship.

==========================

so WHAT's the BIG DEAL??? that you come home to find your roomate in bed
with someone?!? ohhhhhhhhhhhhh - he's CHEATING right?

ONE rule brutha...

	BOYS AGAINST GIRLS (period)

if your rommie is same-sex, you say NOTHING...   ...EVER. unless it's
something along the lines of "hope you had tha jimmie strapped on
double-tight!" or even "damn g, can gets somma dat next time?" (kidding...
no really... ok maybe not).

our lives are defined not only by our own actions but by the allegiences we
form along the way. if you're friends with your roomates girl then you're
faced with a tough decision...   ...BUT, not one you should loose sleep
over.

remember - this is THEY'RE problem, not yours. if you maintain that postion
and keep yer mouth shut, you MAY piss off the girl in the short term, but
you'll be freinds with BOTH in the long term (she will eventually be faced
with the reality that it was a lose-lose situation for YOU, and after all,
it wasn't YOU who was sleepin' around).

besides you *could* bust him out anonymously/unknowingly but ACCIDENTALLY
inviting *your* friend the *girlfriend* over at the right/wrong time
(assuming there are FUTURE instances). then it could be kewl to watch the
fur fly - in additon to your newly-formed-all-over-fuzzy-feeling for doing
the right thing (supposedly).

what is this... LOVELINE?

L8r.
kevy kev.

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jp wrote:


>So,

>

>	Imagine your roomate coming home with a bottle of your favorite

>liquor (or beer, drug, etc..)  .  You then go to a house party  ( a

>birthday party for a mutual  friend ), and  your roomate leaves you
with

>the bottle.  You then procede to consume a majority of the bottles
contents

>in the  course of the  evening.  You then come home intoxicated enough
to

>wake said roomate up to explain your state of being.  " I love you,

>man/bro/sister!" syndrome)  Unfortunately, said roomate is in bed
with

>another person.  I forgot to mention, aformentioned roomate is
involved

>with another person, albeit in a rather strange relationship, but
still in

>a relationship.


==========================


so WHAT's the BIG DEAL??? that you come home to find your roomate in
bed with someone?!? ohhhhhhhhhhhhh - he's CHEATING right?


ONE rule brutha...


	BOYS AGAINST GIRLS (period)


if your rommie is same-sex, you say NOTHING...   ...EVER. unless it's
something along the lines of "hope you had tha jimmie strapped on
double-tight!" or even "damn g, can gets somma dat next time?"
(kidding... no really... ok maybe not).


our lives are defined not only by our own actions but by the
allegiences we form along the way. if you're friends with your roomates
girl then you're faced with a tough decision...   ...BUT, not one you
should loose sleep over.


remember - this is THEY'RE problem, not yours. if you maintain that
postion and keep yer mouth shut, you MAY piss off the girl in the short
term, but you'll be freinds with BOTH in the long term (she will
eventually be faced with the reality that it was a lose-lose situation
for YOU, and after all, it wasn't YOU who was sleepin' around).


besides you *could* bust him out anonymously/unknowingly but
ACCIDENTALLY inviting *your* friend the *girlfriend* over at the
right/wrong time (assuming there are FUTURE instances). then it could
be kewl to watch the fur fly - in additon to your
newly-formed-all-over-fuzzy-feeling for doing the right thing
(supposedly).


what is this... LOVELINE?


L8r.

kevy kev.


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so blah blah blah, positive thuursdaze was a whole lotta fun n stuff,
as usual, until some dumb fuk had to go tag the basement. sorry, but this
pisses me off. pt has been going on for two tears now, has cultured a good
sense of community, not to mention it's *free* and something to do on a
thursday night. and then it could be potentially ruined by some arrogant
shithead's necessity to write on the walls. don't get me wrong, i'm all
for beautiful pieces and stuff, but tagging a place that has consistantly
welcomed in a bunch of freakish looking kids and possibly getting the
whole night shut down for good is downright disrespectful. hopefully the u
of c will see that this was an isolated incident, not all kids are like
this (the person that did it, btw, was 25, and ran away). there are so
few venues left in chi, need we go ruining what's left? sorry if this is
rambling, but i was pretty upset by this display of ignorance.

=jes


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you should sleep with your roomate and then tell said roomate's
(in?)significant other

that should clear things up quickly


On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, jp wrote:

> So,
> 
> 	Imagine your roomate coming home with a bottle of your favorite
> liquor (or beer, drug, etc..)  .  You then go to a house party  ( a
> birthday party for a mutual  friend ), and  your roomate leaves you with
> the bottle.  You then procede to consume a majority of the bottles contents
> in the  course of the  evening.  You then come home intoxicated enough to
> wake said roomate up to explain your state of being.  " I love you,
> man/bro/sister!" syndrome)  Unfortunately, said roomate is in bed with
> another person.  I forgot to mention, aformentioned roomate is involved
> with another person, albeit in a rather strange relationship, but still in
> a relationship.  Do you;
> 
> 
> 	a:  Ignore transgretion, even though you  are down with roomates
> significant other ?
> 	b:  Wait for a specific period of time before bringing up the
> transgretion?
> 	c:  Burst into  roomates room, other parties  be damned, and demand
> a fucking explanation
> 	     from your roomate for being so stupid?
> 	d:  any other possible outcome of your choice.  You tell me.
> 
> 
> thanks.  this has been going on for a while and I really feel the need to
> do something about it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                                -jp
>                                                <incessantly lulling.    >
>                                                <randomly stimulating>
> 		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >
> 
> 


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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, jes wrote:

> as usual, until some dumb fuk had to go tag the basement. sorry, but this
<snip>
> of c will see that this was an isolated incident, not all kids are like
> this (the person that did it, btw, was 25, and ran away). there are so

sounds like the same guy i convinced to do lines of sugar down there about
a year and a half ago.

either that or he was professor spawn.

the u of c attracts retards

				pt




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It's time for me to say goodbye for now.  I'm finishing up my MBA this
semester - taking 2 classes, plus working full time, plus being a
mommy, plus helping lead Kindred Groove - something's got to give.  If
I'm going waste "company time", it'd be better if I wasted it doing
homework or party planning, rather than reading all this mail.

I'm really going to miss this list.  A lot of people bitch about it
(including me) but I don't think I would have ever gotten into
promoting if it weren't for this list.  It's helped me in many ways...  
- I've learned a lot about what people like and don't like about
parties, so it gave me a good sense of what people want-ideals very
similar to my own anyway :)
- I've met other promoters on this list who I pestered relentlessly
when we were first getting started and I still ask for advice from to
this day.
- Hearing the stories of other newbie promoters gave me encouragement.
- This list is a great resource for finding talented DJs.  Every party
we've thrown has had at least one DJ that I met through this list.
- It's also a good resource for other party essentials: lights, sound,
visuals, etc.
- All the positive feedback we've gotten with the reviews really helps
to make promoting worthwhile.  It's our only "reward" really since we
don't pocket any profits.
- In addition, I've made many new friends from this list, and many
have become part of the KG crew.

There will still be two members of Kindred Groove on this list.  Stan
Doublin subscribed a few weeks ago.  He and I co-lead KG together.  He
can be reached at standoublin@juno.com.  He's a great guy and also an
awesome DJ getting lots of play these days so you promoters out there
should ask him for a tape :)!   And of course, we can't forget Toby -
net meet organizer extraordinare!  He'll make sure you all stay
informed.  
Hey, if you haven't checked out our website yet, it's at
www.kindredgroove.com.  The crew page has a photo of me with Richie
Hawtin at Further last year plus lots of other stuff.  Sign our guest
book and we'll keep you up to date on our party plans. 

So folks, live PLUR, keep it positive, extinguish those flame wars,
and post wisely.  Of course, I can still be reached at
tamarama303@yahoo.com.  I might be back this summer...I'll probably
change jobs so we'll have to see what happens.  

XOXOXO!

Tammy
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My bigest problem with E are the morons who actually start dating someone they
rolled with at some parties.  I don't know of ONE relationship that started
that way to last more then a few months.  Once the drugs wear off, the realize
the don't like eachother as much as they thought.  Especially when you catch
your partner Eing with another girl or something like that... People should
know better.  Girls (and boys)... watch yourself.
-Lisa

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Well, I don't have a name yet...and I don't have a date...

But planning has begun for the next Dynamic Groove Event.

May, June or July.  Stay tuned.

Also, this fall - Sensory Overload 2 (or something like that).

	Joe

PS: It will be as inexpensive as possible, but regardless, it will be
worth more than what you pay.
Even though I am still recovering from our $6000+ loss from Sensory
Overload =(
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This very long, and it gets a little incoherent towards the end, but I
think you'll get the point.


On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:39:37 -0500 "Pixie" <pixie@bluegrass.net> writes:

>to have the level of involvment that I once had. For a party with 5
>headliners or more, a $20-$30 tag is expected. This is not the case 
>however, since its mostly parties with 2 or 3 headliners and several
local or
>regional djs. Sorry, but thats not worth 25 bones to me. Maybe some 
>think that this is not the right attitude, but I just can't justify
spending 
>this amount of money for something that just a couple years ago would
have 
>cost 10, maybe 15 dollars. hey, back then, paying $15 to see several
headliners
>wasn't uncommon at all,

Speaking from a promoter's standpoint,  I think the 2 biggest reasons
party prices have increased is
the cost of venues and djs.  Sound & lighting have gone up too, but
there's not too much you can 
do to control that since the price of gear has gone up, and it's
essential for sound & lighting companies
to own quality, reliable gear.

1) Venues

It's extremely hard to find a venue for under $1000.  In fact, most cost
between $2-4000
(legal venues that is).  A lot of venues take advantage of the fact that
it's hard to find
a space for a "rave" and charge even more.  For example, I have been told
that both
Cavalini's (spelling ?) & Route 66 in Chicago will charge in excess of
$5000 because
they know the only people who use those spaces are desperate.  The Metro
Centre
in Rockford, which I used for Sensory Overload charges 20% of the door,
which
specifically why we charged $25 for the event.  It ended up costing us
over $4000 
just for the venue.  I felt it was worth it considering how good of a
space it was.
Magic City Roller Rink in Waukegan cost's $10,000, as well as the indoor
sports
center that "Into The Darkness" was at on Halloween (so I've been told).

Finding a new & inexpensive venue is very difficult.  Using an old venue
is 
still expensive because they know how much money they could make, they
know it will probably get trashed.  They know that there will probably be
a
drug casualty, putting their license & insurance coverage at risk.  Most
of 
all, they are not a part of our scene - it's not like they will cut you a
"deal"
'cause you want to throw a $10 or $15 party.

2) DJs

DJs are a little more flexible.  However, most big name DJs use booking
agents
which virtually eliminates your chances of negotiating prices.

Now first, let's get past the issue of small name DJs being better than
big
name djs...Sure, I'll agree that a small name dj can be as talented or
more
talented than a big name dj.  However, people always want to be exposed 
to new talent.  Everyone has made it clear that they don't want to see
the 
same DJs every weekend (except for a favorite local or two).  Now, sure,
you could hire small name, out of town DJs.  But would people come out to
see them ?  Be it right or wrong, and regardless of what people tell you,
they usually don't.  Look at it this way, a big name DJ from out of town
or
overseas has built a reputation, either from record releases, mixtapes or
word of mouth.  There is a "buzz"... People want to hear them.  A smaller
dj may be just as good, but who want's to take a chance on hearing
someone
that they know nothing about & who may or may not be as good ? 
Especially
now, since our scene has gone beyond it's localities and become a
regional scene.
A few years ago, each city was supported almost entirely by people in
it's local area.
But now, more people seem to travel.  Parties truly are a "Midwest
Event".  With
this as a factor, you frequently have to compete with other parties
around
the region.  It's very rare to have 1 party within a 300 mile radius. 
Which
brings us to...competition.  When competition is involved, you have to do

something to make your event stand out.  You have to have a new venue,
a bigger sound system, more lights & talented Dj with name recognition.
It's not necessarily right, but that's the way it is.   You can try to
avoid
competition, but the fact remains, that no matter how hard you try,
someone
somewhere is still going to throw an event on the same night.  You can't
talk to _every_ promoter in advance.  You have to prepare for the
unexpected.

Now we come to the money issue.  Big name Djs are expensive !  If 
they have a record out, expect to pay $1000.  If they are from
overseas, expect to pay $1500 +.  There are always exceptions, 
but generally speaking, you can't find a DJ which has a good draw
who will play for under $500.  Now, I understand why they would 
charge that much.  Promoters are making money off of them, why 
shouldn't they make money too ?  But damn - doctors and teachers
don't make $1000 an hour !!!  It's really the djs with booking agents 
who fuck things up.  Most DJs are flexible, you can work out a deal.
But when an agent gets involved, it's strictly business...$1000, first
class airfare, room at a 4 star hotel, 2 meals & a case of beer !

But, people want to hear these DJs, I want to hear these DJs, and 
if you don't hire them, the other guy throwing the party the same night
as your's will, and people will go there instead.  It's a viscous circle.

I myself prefer a mix.  1 or 2 "superstar" djs, 3-4 big name regional djs
& the rest local or otherwise unexposed talent.  This way you have
something
for everyone, big names to draw in outsiders, regional big names to
enhance
the lineup, and small names to offer new, unexposed talent.

But it's still expensive.

The #1 biggest problem in the scene in my opinion is not big, expensive,
QUALITY parties...

The problem is big, expensive, SHITTY parties !!!

For example, who minds paying $20-30 for parties such as Sixth Sense,
Bonkers, Hullaballoo, Sensory Overload, etc ?  In this case, you get 
what you pay for.

It's the shitty promoters who hire all their friends, plus a couple of
played
out "superstar" djs that have played the area once every other month
for 4 years.  Use Route 66 or Dolton Expo center, bring in some shitty 
sound system that probably rents out for more than it costs to buy, and 
gets 4 beat to hell Trackspots and some American DJ lights & still
charges $20-25 !!!

That's the problem. 

If you go to a bad party, it's only fair to give the promoter a 2nd
chance.
But if they throw a string of bad, sketchy parties, why are you still
going ?
Don't go - tell your friends not to go.

It's not the money that's an issue, it's the promoters.
Support the good promoters and let the bad parties die.

	Joe
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>
>So when I take some aspirin and change my brain chemistry, I am not ME?  Or
>when I drink too much cafeenee "I AM NOT ME".???  I think everyone needs to
>realize not all drugs are the same, and shouldn't be treated as such.
>

oh grow up..we're not talking about aspirin or tylenol or whatever other
crap you're gonna throw out...we're talking about drugs that are part of the
rave scene.

bitches bitches bitches
-liz


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At long last I have stumbled upon a friggin' line up for the WMC.  It's not
too exciting but it's a party none the less...
WINTER MUSIC CONFERENCE
http://www.astralwerks.com/tours.html
On Saturday, March 13th Astralwerks will be throwing an all night party at
The Cameo Theatre as part of the 1999 Winter Music Conference in Miami, FL.
The show will start at 9pm and will go all night.
DJ sets by:
Fatboy Slim
Daft Punk
Cassius
Todd Terry
Gearwhore
Wide
Live performances from:
Spacetime Continuum
Q-Burns Abstract Message

In addition, there will be a Respect Is Burning party at Groove Jet in
Miami on Wednesday March 17th during  WMC 99.
The line up is:
Dimitri From Paris
DJ Cam
DJ Gilb-R
Romanthony
Jef K.
French Neil Aline
Sven Love
Adam Scott
Matthias Heilbronn
Greg Gauthier
plus a live set by Nicole

Not to mention Dubtribe is playing Live on the beach for free on the 16th
of March!!
Peaces Kidz,
willebear@mindspring.com



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not to steal your thunder...but this same tired-ass research has been printed
and reprinted hundereds of times..i'ts not new.  And whether it is true is
another story altogether...

rambling once again...

sheer relevance

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The World of Drum n' Bass
Grooveconnection/Most Wanted Entertainment/ support by Pleazure / Atlanta
Monday March 15, 1999

GROOVERIDER
FABIO
MICKEY FINN
APHRODITE
JUNGLE BROTHERS *LIVE*
JUMPING JACK FROST
SS
RAP
KENNY KEN
with many more North American talent TBA

Club Salvation
South Beach/Miami
Monday March 15
any questions?  email:  mwe@idirect.com

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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 Raavena@aol.com wrote:

> The World of Drum n' Bass
> Grooveconnection/Most Wanted Entertainment/ support by Pleazure / Atlanta
> Monday March 15, 1999
> 
> GROOVERIDER
> FABIO
> MICKEY FINN
> APHRODITE
> JUNGLE BROTHERS *LIVE*
> JUMPING JACK FROST
> SS
> RAP
dude, Mickey Finn is fucking hot

i hear he looks like Mel Gibson.



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 19 19:27:16 1999
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My boyfriend and I were both rolling when we met... we started going out a
week latter, and next friday we'll be goin out for 8 months..... now you know
of one.
Laine

In a message dated 99-02-19 13:33:04 EST, PixiEg4713@aol.com writes:

<< My bigest problem with E are the morons who actually start dating someone
they
 rolled with at some parties.  I don't know of ONE relationship that started
 that way to last more then a few months.  Once the drugs wear off, the
realize
 the don't like eachother as much as they thought.  Especially when you catch
 your partner Eing with another girl or something like that... People should
 know better.  Girls (and boys)... watch yourself.
 -Lisa
 
  >>

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For those who missed my point... You can't say that all drugs are the same,
and it's over simplifying to do so.  Don't group those who do weed and acid
into the same category as tweek and heroin, or those who do E, or those who
pick alcohol as there rave drug of choice.  it's not the same thing...  I
think we've beat this topic to death now... only some people got defensive...
I wonder why? (druggies?) ;)
Luv,
Lisa

> >
>  >So when I take some aspirin and change my brain chemistry, I am not ME?
Or
>  >when I drink too much cafeenee "I AM NOT ME".???  I think everyone needs
to
>  >realize not all drugs are the same, and shouldn't be treated as such.
>  >
>  
>  oh grow up..we're not talking about aspirin or tylenol or whatever other
>  crap you're gonna throw out...we're talking about drugs that are part of
the
>  rave scene.
>  
>  bitches bitches bitches
>  -liz


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WELL.....this is the pre-e-flyer

Flip! and Ultra-Omega present:
in the Kansas City area

Friday, April 2nd, 1999.

PI (3.14eeeeee)

James Christian. New York / Cleveland.
Halo. Chicago.
Dan Deliverance. Delaware.
Mark Almaria. Chicago.
Stan Doublin. St. Louis.
Hardtimes. Memphis.

Pat Nice. KC.
n.9. Lawrence.
DJ True. KC.
Zach Church. Lincoln.
DJ Lee. Omaha.
THC. Omaha.
DJ Kidd. KC.

100% Confirmed, legal virgin venue. I'm not kidding.
Two video screens by 12 Electronic Arts.
Fully Digital JBL Sound. 
Multi-beam, multi-color, multi-watt argon. 
This event will be $13 w/ canned food item for the homeless. I recommend
arriving early, this is a limited-capacity venue. 

I don't have the info lines with me, and I'm late for class.

more info tba.

andrew




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	I don't know if any of you guys out there would be interested, but I have
2 Techniques 1200's I'm passing legacy on to someone else...  They're in
good condition(all manuals inc.), I purchased them new from Pro Light &
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In a message dated 2/19/99 1:25:37 PM Central Standard Time, XtCdAwLL writes:

> My boyfriend and I were both rolling when we met... we started going out a 
> week latter, and next friday we'll be goin out for 8 months..... now you
know 
> of one.
>  Laine


=)  I never said it was impossible to make it last.  I've just seen so many
that were mistakes. (like the one I had ;)  And I got other friends who were
hurt.  
HAPPY FRIDAY! =)
Lisa

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> 1) Venues
> 
> It's extremely hard to find a venue for under $1000.  In fact, most cost
> between $2-4000
> (legal venues that is).  A lot of venues take advantage of the fact that
> it's hard to find
> a space for a "rave" and charge even more.  For example, I have been told
> that both
> Cavalini's (spelling ?) & Route 66 in Chicago will charge in excess of
> $5000 because
> they know the only people who use those spaces are desperate.  The Metro
> Centre
> in Rockford, which I used for Sensory Overload charges 20% of the door,
> which
> specifically why we charged $25 for the event.  It ended up costing us
> over $4000 
> just for the venue.  I felt it was worth it considering how good of a
> space it was.
> Magic City Roller Rink in Waukegan cost's $10,000, as well as the indoor
> sports
> center that "Into The Darkness" was at on Halloween (so I've been told).

Which is exactly why it is kind of nice to live in a place with a new
scene. From promoting out here in Rapid City, SD, the venue's are
extreamly cheap. 

One venue that we used a couple of times is a old community center in a
small town about 20 miles out of town. It's in the forest and there is
really no one around cuz nobody lives in that town. That runs us -- get
this, $30 -yup no typo there.

Other venues
4H building on the fairgrounds. Kick ass  venue, 2 rooms, 15000 sq feet.
That ran us $250
We rented out an entire campground in the forest for a night (in the off
season) for $300. 
Usually venues out here cost about 200-300.

This allows us to throw parties at $4-$5. We really couldn't throw parties
for anymore because no one would show up (it's nice to keep it cheap
anyhow). People out here don't really have much money anyways. I think SD
ranks dead last on the average anual income.

ryan


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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:54:00 -0700 (MST) "<-=Ryan Hagelstrom=->"
<rlh8678@silver.sdsmt.edu> writes:

>
>Which is exactly why it is kind of nice to live in a place with a new
>scene. From promoting out here in Rapid City, SD, the venue's are
>extreamly cheap. 
>

Yes...that is great !  It used to be like that here too.

For my first party, the space cost $400.

(Total budget of $6000, including Prototype 909, Terry Mullan,
Mike Dearborn, Dave Hollands, Dan Efex + Intelligent lighting & color
flyers !!!
$12 admission !  Those were the days...)

Consider yourself fortunate, and do your best to preserve your status.

Eventually, when your scene blows up, or you start getting the wrong type
of crowd,
or when other less professional promoters start throwing wack parties and
treating
the space owners / venues like shit...the prices will go up. 

Unfortunately that seams to be the [de]evolution of every scene =(

	Joe
_________________________________________________________________
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entro sez:
>this is good... I've got a good segue to ask a question...
>
>you read alot about flashbacks or afteraffects from the popular media...
>whether or not that is a scare tactic is beyond me...
>
>what i do notice and have been trying to research... yet can figure out what
>the fuck to call it... is the noticeable effects that happen after using any
>hard psychedelic for a long time...  (try searching for flashback or trail.
>i've learned as much as i can about grapenuts and a jaguar chasing me halfway
>across the screen.)
>
>i.e. 
>trail and tracers - visual distortion - is this retinal damage from the 
>pupils
>susecptible to the sun?  or something far more sinister... negative
>afterimages on your pupils after a mere three seconds of staring at
>something...  occasional semi-blackouts...
>
>any one have any relevant info that might help a brother out on a quest of
>understanding?
>
>thanks
>
>entro


try doing a search on "visual purple" or "rhodopsin", this is what i 
found:

"The retina makes up the innermost layer of the wall of the eyeball. It 
is only as strong as a wet piece of tissue paper. Light-sensitive cells 
in the retina absorb light rays and change them into electrical signals 
which are passed to the brain and interpreted as visual images. There are 
two types of these light-sensitive cells -- rods and cones. The retina 
has about 120 million rods and about 6 million cones. Bits of pigment or 
colored material fill the rods and cones and absorb even the minutest 
particles of light that strike the retina. The pigment in the rods is 
called rhodopsin or visual purple, and enables the eye to discern shades 
of gray and see in dim light. There are three types of pigment in the 
cones that enable the eye to see colors and to see sharp images in bright 
light. Cyanolabe absorbs blue light. Chlorabe absorbs green light. 
Erythrolabe absorbs red light."

I only know a little bit about it from my crappy college anatomy class so 
I'm no expert.

due to persistance of vision, these pigments are what cause trails... and 
the after images on your retina.  It's because the pigment absorbs the 
light and retains it for a bit... er... best explanation for this would 
be: it's like the glow in the dark toys.  You need to charge them, and 
however bright the light was that you charged it with will vary how 
bright the toy is and how long it will glow for.

now as to why pepole notice this more after using a lot of hard 
psychadelic drugs is unexplained... and there's no clinical evidence 
proving either flashbacks or persistent tracers... i know many people who 
claim to have had flashbacks (a lot of which i think are full of it and 
just trying to be cool, like i think they're cool because they've damaged 
their brain or something)  It could be that people who've done 
hallucinogens have more ability to notice certain things because they've 
experienced it before. i.e. "jeeze i never noticed how cool carpet was to 
stare at before"

I've personally never had a flashback and I know how much acid i did in 
high school so if anyone should be having them, well... as for tracers, I 
do see those, but I always did.  I just think I notice them more now 
because I remember how cool they looked when I was tripping.

-scott

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oh yeah the good ol days when house didnt suck and you could pay terry
mullan what was it $500 and he'd drive himself from chicago and spin for 3
hours
or better yet the terry martin days LOL

iySyS

>
>For my first party, the space cost $400.
>
>(Total budget of $6000, including Prototype 909, Terry Mullan,
>Mike Dearborn, Dave Hollands, Dan Efex + Intelligent lighting & color
>flyers !!!
>$12 admission !  Those were the days...)
>
>Consider yourself fortunate, and do your best to preserve your status.
>
>Eventually, when your scene blows up, or you start getting the wrong type
>of crowd,
>or when other less professional promoters start throwing wack parties and
>treating
>the space owners / venues like shit...the prices will go up.
>
>Unfortunately that seams to be the [de]evolution of every scene =(
>
> Joe
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This subject floated through mtn raves, just adding a bit of info:

The place: Kansas City
The time: oh god, like what now already, 1996?

During a party held at a very well known venue, the joint was staked out
by a man whose job it was to count the attendance. He was in the parking
lot, all night. When the police finally raided the party, they used
their attendence count to extort all the money from the promoter who
threw the event.

Apparently it was the IRS.

It DOES happen. However, I do believe that this venue was so over-used
and obvious that it was just ASKING for a sting of this proportion. Not
to mention that the Kansas City police and vice officers are actually
very bored, very malicious individuals.

_jason

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Every action
has an equal
and opposite
reaction. 
Fuck.



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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Scott Jackson wrote:

> entro sez:
> >this is good... I've got a good segue to ask a question...
> >
> >you read alot about flashbacks or afteraffects from the popular media...
> >whether or not that is a scare tactic is beyond me...
> >
> >what i do notice and have been trying to research... yet can figure out what
> >the fuck to call it... is the noticeable effects that happen after using any
> >hard psychedelic for a long time...  (try searching for flashback or trail.
> >i've learned as much as i can about grapenuts and a jaguar chasing me halfway
> >across the screen.)
> >
> >i.e. 
> >trail and tracers - visual distortion - is this retinal damage from the 
> >pupils
> >susecptible to the sun?  or something far more sinister... negative
> >afterimages on your pupils after a mere three seconds of staring at
> >something...  occasional semi-blackouts...
> >
> >any one have any relevant info that might help a brother out on a quest of
> >understanding?
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >entro
> 
> 
> try doing a search on "visual purple" or "rhodopsin", this is what i 
> found:
> 
> "The retina makes up the innermost layer of the wall of the eyeball. It 
> is only as strong as a wet piece of tissue paper. Light-sensitive cells 
> in the retina absorb light rays and change them into electrical signals 
> which are passed to the brain and interpreted as visual images. There are 
> two types of these light-sensitive cells -- rods and cones. The retina 
> has about 120 million rods and about 6 million cones. Bits of pigment or 
> colored material fill the rods and cones and absorb even the minutest 
> particles of light that strike the retina. The pigment in the rods is 
> called rhodopsin or visual purple, and enables the eye to discern shades 
> of gray and see in dim light. There are three types of pigment in the 
> cones that enable the eye to see colors and to see sharp images in bright 
> light. Cyanolabe absorbs blue light. Chlorabe absorbs green light. 
> Erythrolabe absorbs red light."
> 
> I only know a little bit about it from my crappy college anatomy class so 
> I'm no expert.
> 
> due to persistance of vision, these pigments are what cause trails... and 
> the after images on your retina.  It's because the pigment absorbs the 
> light and retains it for a bit... er... best explanation for this would 
> be: it's like the glow in the dark toys.  You need to charge them, and 
> however bright the light was that you charged it with will vary how 
> bright the toy is and how long it will glow for.
> 
> now as to why pepole notice this more after using a lot of hard 
> psychadelic drugs is unexplained... and there's no clinical evidence 
> proving either flashbacks or persistent tracers... i know many people who 
> claim to have had flashbacks (a lot of which i think are full of it and 


I wonder if the LSD alters something in the brain chemistry that affects
the "interpretation" of the visual stimuli or something physical with the
eye (you mentioned the rhodopsin and the retina as playing the primary
role in light/color detection).  Probably no hard core med students on
here to answer that.  And even if there were

And I wouldnt say there isnt clinical evidence for tracers and flashbacks.
Just the other day someone posted the URL to a site of around 15
scientific journal articles pertaining to the subject.  They did report
finding siginificant visual disturbances in the LSD group when compared to
the control, non-LSd user, group. 

I have lots of friends who have done acid and permanent tracers is the one
thing they all seem to universally report.  One of my high school friends,
a very intelligent fellow who found the whole drug thing a bit more
enticing than I, once told me, "I never thought taking LSD would fuck me
up but it did. Its like I see a constant halo around images.  Ill stare at
flower and only the center of it will come into focus, the rest is a
colorful blur."

Not quite the same thing as tracers but it makes you wonder:  Why all the
seemingly permanent visual "damage" (relative to ones visual acuity before
psychedelic use) but none of the other senses?  Do the others go
unnoticed, unreported, or simply do not exist?  

I dont have the answer,
Adam




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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, andrew arnold wrote:

> Every action
> has an equal
> and opposite
> reaction. 
> Fuck.
> 
Fuck you.


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Positive thinking cause positive actions which cause positive
reactions.  = )

Stan
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> Every action
> has an equal
> and opposite
> reaction. 
> Fuck.
> 
> 
> 

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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, adm eows wrote:

> 
> 
> On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, andrew arnold wrote:
> 
> > Every action
> > has an equal
> > and opposite
> > reaction. 
> > Fuck.
> > 
> Fuck you.

PLUR, man



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>And I wouldnt say there isnt clinical evidence for tracers and
flashbacks.
>Just the other day someone posted the URL to a site of around 15
>scientific journal articles pertaining to the subject.  They did report
>finding siginificant visual disturbances in the LSD group when compared
to
>the control, non-LSd user, group.

i missed this message...if anyone still has this URL, please send it to
me. thanks. :)
spark@pubnix.org

xoxox ooooooh yeah,
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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Stan Doublin wrote:

> Positive thinking cause positive actions which cause positive
> reactions.  = )

j'ever want to punch somebody in the face 'cause they were just too damn
happy


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newtonian mechanics is like so 17th century.

lez be quannum.


At 02:49 PM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Every action
>has an equal
>and opposite
>reaction. 
>Fuck.
>
>
>
>


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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoaaaaaaa little nelly......
Is DJ Dan playing at a main party this weekend???  Send me the lineup
please.  If it's in St Louis, I'm there Dude!
Muchas Gracias Senor Gordita,
willebear@mindspring.com

-----Original Message-----
From: TOBY M BROSNAHAN <TMB4@prodigy.net>
To: STL Raves Email <stl-raves@egroups.com>; mo-raves
<mo-raves@hyperreal.org>; mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Cc: kgroove <kgroove@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 1:37 AM
Subject: [mw] DJ Dan AfterHours--St. Louis


>Well folks there may be a after party this weekend.  I will not be able to
>attend to either seeing him spin at Velvet or the after party as I will be
>in Des Moines seeing the musical RENT.....totally awesome musical!  Anyway
>there maybe an after hours with Dan....it all depends on when his flight
>home is.  He has a gig on Sunday night and wants to get some sleep...I
don't
>blame him...but if the plane outta here is late enough he will be at the
>after-hours.
>
>For info and directions call the Sat night.
>
>Call Boogie Knights Info Line here in STL at 314-567-2041.  It will hook u
>up.
>
>Peace and Love,
>
>Toby
>
>PS
>
>Robin?  Aaron?  Tammy?  Someone had better shake it one time for me!  =)
>
>
>"Yeah....I'm one of those Kindred Groovers....."
>
>KG HomePage
>www.KindredGroove.com
>
>*******************************************************************
>ICQ # 27041199
>Got ICQ?
>http://www.icq.com/
>
>St Louis Rave Page
>http://www.angelfire.com/mo/stlraves/index.html
>
>*******************************************************************
>


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 19 22:03:12 1999
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<< At 02:49 PM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote:
 >Every action
 >has an equal
 >and opposite
 >reaction. 
 >Fuck.>>


why do you say "fuck?"...is it because you finally came to the conclusion that
what you do has an effect that right back on you? is it because you dread
being responsible for your actions? im not quite certain on what you are
stating here as far as the whole FUCK part.....

laterz
lauryN*

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I can't really speak for this exact instance, but the IRS is a federal
department and it is unlikely that they are concerned with rave promoters
(unless of course they are making millions of $$$, which is unlikely).
However, if a spot is being used over and over, the city that it resides in
may send their local Department of Revenue. This might sound like it's being
nit-picky ( I apologize) but unless you are throwing parties in multiple
states and making ungodly amounts of money, a federal agency is probably not
going to be interested. They leave this stuff to the local city's department
of revenue.

- Chad Sommer 

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Jason Schroeder [SMTP:jasons@dlab.com]
	Sent:	Friday, February 19, 1999 8:44 AM
	To:	mw-raves@hyperreal.org; mtn-raves@hyperreal.org
	Subject:	[mw] the IRS and raves

	This subject floated through mtn raves, just adding a bit of info:

	The place: Kansas City
	The time: oh god, like what now already, 1996?

	During a party held at a very well known venue, the joint was staked
out
	by a man whose job it was to count the attendance. He was in the
parking
	lot, all night. When the police finally raided the party, they used
	their attendence count to extort all the money from the promoter who
	threw the event.

	Apparently it was the IRS.

	It DOES happen. However, I do believe that this venue was so
over-used
	and obvious that it was just ASKING for a sting of this proportion.
Not
	to mention that the Kansas City police and vice officers are
actually
	very bored, very malicious individuals.

	_jason

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He's spinning at a club here in town - Velvet on Washington near 12th.
 It's 21+, not sure of the cover - less than $10 I'd guess, no tennis
shoes, no hats.

Tam

---WillEBear <willebear@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoaaaaaaa little nelly......
> Is DJ Dan playing at a main party this weekend???  Send me the lineup
> please.  If it's in St Louis, I'm there Dude!
> Muchas Gracias Senor Gordita,
> willebear@mindspring.com
 

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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, STOMP! wrote:
> 
> i missed this message...if anyone still has this URL, please send it to
> me. thanks. :)
> spark@pubnix.org
> 
> xoxox ooooooh yeah,
> rebecca.

the URL posted was
http://members.xoom.com/curse/VisualPhenomenologyoftheLSDFlashback.htm

but for a full listing of the articles cataloged here go to

http://members.xoom.com/curse/

Adam


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No Tennis
Shoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
F  U  C  K   T  H  A  T!
-----Original Message-----
From: WillEBear <willebear@mindspring.com>
To: TOBY M BROSNAHAN <TMB4@prodigy.net>; STL Raves Email
<stl-raves@egroups.com>; mo-raves <mo-raves@hyperreal.org>;
mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Cc: kgroove <kgroove@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [mw] DJ Dan AfterHours--St. Louis


>Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoaaaaaaa little nelly......
>Is DJ Dan playing at a main party this weekend???  Send me the lineup
>please.  If it's in St Louis, I'm there Dude!
>Muchas Gracias Senor Gordita,
>willebear@mindspring.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: TOBY M BROSNAHAN <TMB4@prodigy.net>
>To: STL Raves Email <stl-raves@egroups.com>; mo-raves
><mo-raves@hyperreal.org>; mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Cc: kgroove <kgroove@egroups.com>
>Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 1:37 AM
>Subject: [mw] DJ Dan AfterHours--St. Louis
>
>
>>Well folks there may be a after party this weekend.  I will not be able to
>>attend to either seeing him spin at Velvet or the after party as I will be
>>in Des Moines seeing the musical RENT.....totally awesome musical!  Anyway
>>there maybe an after hours with Dan....it all depends on when his flight
>>home is.  He has a gig on Sunday night and wants to get some sleep...I
>don't
>>blame him...but if the plane outta here is late enough he will be at the
>>after-hours.
>>
>>For info and directions call the Sat night.
>>
>>Call Boogie Knights Info Line here in STL at 314-567-2041.  It will hook u
>>up.
>>
>>Peace and Love,
>>
>>Toby
>>
>>PS
>>
>>Robin?  Aaron?  Tammy?  Someone had better shake it one time for me!  =)
>>
>>
>>"Yeah....I'm one of those Kindred Groovers....."
>>
>>KG HomePage
>>www.KindredGroove.com
>>
>>*******************************************************************
>>ICQ # 27041199
>>Got ICQ?
>>http://www.icq.com/
>>
>>St Louis Rave Page
>>http://www.angelfire.com/mo/stlraves/index.html
>>
>>*******************************************************************
>>
>


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the powdered toastman wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, adm eows wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, andrew arnold wrote:
>>
>> > Every action
>> > has an equal
>> > and opposite
>> > reaction.
>> > Fuck.
>> >
>> Fuck you.
>
>PLUR, man

===========================================

yo p.t....

ya know, i was gonna post a rebutt about how PLUR = outdated concept, but
if we have THAT fucking thread on this list again i think i might fucking
take an UZI to the local united dairy farmers or 7-11 store and OPEN FIRE
in the FUCKING candy aisle!!!!!!!!!

please don't stir the bowl...  ...i don't think anybody flushed yet.

yewwww stinky pewp.
kevy kev.

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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, kevy kev wrote:

> >> > Every action
> >> > has an equal
> >> > and opposite
> >> > reaction.
> >> > Fuck.
> >> >
> >> Fuck you.
> >
> >PLUR, man
> 
> ===========================================
> 
> yo p.t....
> 
> ya know, i was gonna post a rebutt about how PLUR = outdated concept, but

that may be so, but, you know, i'm not too sure that the word fuck carries
much weight anymore. i think it's more of a conjunction.

> if we have THAT fucking thread on this list again i think i might fucking
> take an UZI to the local united dairy farmers or 7-11 store and OPEN FIRE
> in the FUCKING candy aisle!!!!!!!!!

see what i mean?

> please don't stir the bowl...  ...i don't think anybody flushed yet.

*evil grin* yeah, the same shit's been floating around in there for the 5
years i've been on this list

but as long as we don't shit where we eat, it will be ok.

		amuse yourself,
				paul


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>hey i resemble that remark :-/
>
>iySyS

Ok...sure...pick on tha old guy!!!
>
>
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>so WHAT's the BIG DEAL??? that you come home to find your roomate in 
>bed
>with someone?!? ohhhhhhhhhhhhh - he's CHEATING right?
>
>ONE rule brutha...
>
>	BOYS AGAINST GIRLS (period)

I know I'm gonna get flack, but......

To the girl ya say: "Now yer my ex girl, 'cuz I'm straight wit da next
girl"
To the guy ya say: "Don't put a hoe b-4 the homies".

I just love it when I get in a "ghetto" mood.......

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Why do peeps read so far inta shit????

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

Who gives a fuck?
Thanks Andrew...see on Easter.....

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:59:42 EST GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com writes:
><< At 02:49 PM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote:
> >Every action
> >has an equal
> >and opposite
> >reaction. 
> >Fuck.>>
>
>
>why do you say "fuck?"...is it because you finally came to the 
>conclusion that
>what you do has an effect that right back on you? is it because you 
>dread
>being responsible for your actions? im not quite certain on what you 
>are
>stating here as far as the whole FUCK part.....
>
>laterz
>lauryN*
>

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people will find anything to bitch about.  especially ravers.

-liz
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>Why do peeps read so far inta shit????
>
>FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
>
>Who gives a fuck?
>Thanks Andrew...see on Easter.....
>
>On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:59:42 EST GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com writes:
>><< At 02:49 PM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote:
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>> >has an equal
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>> >reaction. 
>> >Fuck.>>
>>
>>
>>why do you say "fuck?"...is it because you finally came to the 
>>conclusion that
>>what you do has an effect that right back on you? is it because you 
>>dread
>>being responsible for your actions? im not quite certain on what you 
>>are
>>stating here as far as the whole FUCK part.....
>>
>>laterz
>>lauryN*
>>
>
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...just for fuck's sake!

"fuck" is a great word.

anyone interested in learning to curse more effectively should pick up the
book "english as a second fucking language" by sterling johnson.  here's an
excerpt:

[footnotes are placed in brackets]

A NIGHT AT THE OPERA

JOHN: "Mary, would you like to attend the opera this evening?"
MARY: "Fucking-A. [1]  Should I wear my black dress?"
JOHN: "Why the fuck [2] not?"
MARY: "Fucked [3] if I know.  Oh, fuck! [4] I just remembered.  It got
fucked up [5] in the wash."
JOHN: "Well, fuck [6] the opera.  Let's just stay home and fuck. [7]"
MARY: "Good fucking [8] idea."

footnotes:
[1] Fucking-A:  This is a strong affirmation.
[2] the fuck:  This is an intensifier.
[3] Fucked:  This is short for "I'll be fucked if I know," which has
nothing to do with actual fucking.  It is the equivalent of "I'll be damned
if I know," which has nothing to do with damnation.  In other words: "I
don't know."
[4] Oh, fuck!:  This is an interjection.  The "oh" isn't neccessary;
"Fuck!" by itself is a complete interjection.
[5] fucked up:  This means damaged.
[6] fuck:  Here, "fuck" is used in the negative sense, similar to, "The
Hell with the opera."
[7] fuck:  Here, "fuck" is used in its primary sense.
[8] fucking: A novice might think the intended meaning is: "This is a good
idea about fucking."  In fact, fucking in the sexual sense isn't intended;
the word is merely an intensifier.  And a fucking good one at that.



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anyone have any information on throwing a more legal party.....i.e. permits,
company backings, security, insurance....??
<tasha>

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obviously intended for the list, and not me...

>From: GloRavaGrl@aol.com
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>
>does anybody know about getting insurance or security or permits when throwing
>a party?
>



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while we're on the subject......

some of you might remember this from way back when, but i still think it's
cute.
oh my, i'm such a pottymouth....
(i didn't write this, btw, it was sent to this list a looooong time ago)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
 Perhaps one of the most interesting and colorful words in the English
 language today is the word "fuck". It is the one magical word which,
 just by its sound, can describe pain, pleasure, love, and hate.

 In language, "fuck" falls into many grammatical categories. It can be
 used as a verb, both transitive (John fucked Mary) and intransitive
 (Mary was fucked by John). It can be an action verb (John really gives
 a fuck), a passive verb (Mary really doesn't give a fuck), an adverb
 (Mary is fucking interested in John), or as a noun (Mary is a terrific
 fuck). It can also be used as an adjective (Mary is fucking beautiful)
 or an interjection (Fuck! I'm late for my date with Mary).

 It can even be used as a conjunction (Mary is easy, fuck she's also
 stupid).

 As you can see, there are very few words with the overall versatility
 of the word "fuck".

Aside from its sexual connotations, this incredible word can be used
to describe many situations:

1. Greetings           "How the fuck are ya?"
2. Fraud               "I got fucked by the car dealer."
3. Resignation         "Oh, fuck it!"
4. Trouble             "I guess I'm fucked now."
5. Aggression          "FUCK YOU!"
6. Disgust             "Fuck me."
7. Confusion           "What the fuck.......?"
8. Difficulty          "I don't understand this fucking business!"
9. Despair             "Fucked again..."
10. Pleasure           "I fucking couldn't be happier."
11. Displeasure        "What the fuck is going on here?"
12. Lost               "Where the fuck are we."
13. Disbelief          "UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!"
14. Retaliation        "Up your fucking ass!"
15. Denial             "I didn't fucking do it."
16. Perplexity         "I know fuck all about it."
17. Apathy             "Who really gives a fuck, anyhow?
18. Greetings          "How the fuck are ya?"
19. Suspicion          "Who the fuck are you?"
20. Panic              "Let's get the fuck out of here."
21. Directions         "Fuck off."
22. Disbelief          "How the fuck did you do that?"

It can be used in an anatomical description
- "He's a fucking asshole."

It can be used to tell time
- "It's five fucking thirty."

It can be used in business
- "How did I wind up with this fucking job?"

It can be maternal
- "Motherfucker."

It can be political
- "Fuck Clinton!"

 It has also been used by many notable people throughout history:

 "What the fuck was that?"
 - Mayor of Hiroshima

 "Where did all these fucking Indians come from?"
 - General Custer

 "Where the fuck is all this water coming from?"
 - Captain of the Titanic

 "That's not a real fucking gun."
 - John Lennon

 "Who's gonna fucking find out?"
 - Richard Nixon

"Heads are going to fucking roll."
- Anne Boleyn

"Any fucking idiot could understand that."
- Albert Einstein

"It does so fucking look like her!"
- Picasso

"How the fuck did you work that out?"
- Pythagoras

"You want what on the fucking ceiling?"
- Michaelangelo

"Fuck a duck."
- Walt Disney

"I don't suppose its gonna fucking rain?"
- Joan of Arc

"Scattered fucking showers my ass."
- Noah



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Live in realaudio tonite @ 9pm cst  /  10pm est

streaming progressive house and trance set live from the olaris studios
in cincinnati, ohio. joel light on the olaris network.

http://olaris.radiodistortion.com  ==  don't forget your realplayer

enjoy...
-ben . elroy


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 Hi all,
    I am looking to put up a WEB site, and want info and/or suggestions 
on domain hosting, web design, etc. Anyone willing to help me as well???
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for fuck's sake...  

i have to fucking agree... without the word fuck... gangster rap might sound
like the following:

"One of my homies golly gee got ill... threw a mother smucker out the window
sill... landed on his tush when he gave him a push... now that stupid
smucker's jiggy jam is mush." - eazy e "a collection of lost children's
stories."

jerry springer would be out of a job.

and it would be impossible to fuck someone gently with a chainsaw.

(we are) 
pro-fucking
entro
-use 10-10-808 for all your info line calls on weekends after 10 and save 15%
on your next hit of e.-

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From: "Luke Monteiro" <xtra@hempseed.com>
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Subject: [mw] Raver Porn II- The Revenge
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hi friends, I have come across this rave porno website on the net...I 
wonder who that girl is, is she a raver or just a fake raver?! Who is 
that DJ? he doesnt even look like a DJ, anyways, I found it very 
funny and creative, I wonder how many of you girls have been 
offered money to do something like that, and how many of you 
would be willing to do something like that for money?!?! I am 
thinking about starting my own rave porn website, any partners!??!
Well..the site is at http://teen.sexhound.net/raverporn/2172.html

Dinky Winky- *The Non-Gay Teletubbie that carries a red purse*

MR.DJ

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 20 05:54:30 1999
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In a message dated 2/19/99 10:44:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pixie@bluegrass.net writes:

> i agree with loki. maybe you should find some other way to vent your
>  hostilities. just because someone can't afford to pay $25 every weekend
does
>  not mean they are doing drugs every weekend. I have rent, car insurance and
>  other car-related expenses, heat, water, electric, food, etc etc, and I
>  really can't afford to lay down that much money each weekend (in addition
to
>  extra gas and food money for the weekend) who the hell has money to do
drugs
>  after this ? (besides the crackheads, and that wasn't the answer i was
>  looking for)

then don't go out every weekend... it is called budgeting... you pay just as
much for concerts... or more... and you get less time for you cash, maybe 3
hours for a ticket... as opposed to up to 8-12 hours or more.... really,
sometimes you just have to budget and do with out...  as long as people go to
$25 parties, they are still gonna have them... at least it isn't $30+ like it
is on the east coast and some places in the south... or Europe... i saw
"small" events over there that cost $60 american dollars... and that was in
1995 back when everyone was less expensive... now think of the cost...  in a
way this is almost like the pavaratzi (sp) everyone hates them for stalking
and taking pictures of their favorite celebrities, yet you still buy the
magazines and watch the gossip about them... so until you don't care, they
will still be around... just like $25 parties... as long as you go to them...
they will have them... sorry to say... but it is really that simple

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 20 06:08:51 1999
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In a message dated 2/19/99 4:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
standoublin@yahoo.com writes:

> Positive thinking cause positive actions which cause positive
>  reactions.  = )

yeah, and ever positive has a negative, hence keeping a balance... 

the more negativity, means more positivity... or maybe... it will just over
come it,  and there will be no positivity, and we can see malicious gangs of 5
year olds fighting over barney and telebubbies while all the adults are off
fighting for the freedom of kosovo....


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 20 06:19:14 1999
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In a message dated 2/19/99 11:09:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
xtra@hempseed.com writes:

> I wonder how many of you girls have been 
>  offered money to do something like that, and how many of you 
>  would be willing to do something like that for money?!?

actually, two of my friends were asked to do some porno work whil eat further
last year, one was a guy, the other a girl... they both declined... both
thought it was hilarious... 

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 20 06:57:08 1999
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It's actually in Muncie!  I found this flyer at the Univibe Sale:

NEW REALM PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS:

DJ Chemical		DJ Shiva
speed garage, wichita	techno, indy

Matthew Bandy		MAX
Hs/Tch, lex'n		Trance, indy

Mike Dissette		DJ K-9
breaks, indy		HH, indy

Radination		Translucent
Live techno, louisvl.	jazzy hs. ft.wayne

Simple Simon
booty house, muncie

Doors Open 8pm.  $3 w/ Hershey's Hug, $4 w/ smile.
A Benefit for the Make a Wish Foundatino of Indiana

Info: (317)227-7576



		  Luis-Manuel Garcia / Thumpie / Moo
	     Indiana University, Bloomington <Hoosier Hell>
	        <luigarci@indiana.edu>, ICQ# : 4257872
		     Canadian Cartel Conspiracy

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			      ^^      ^^


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ummm.... becuase Juno is just THAT COOL... i didn't get any of my e-mail
sent since 2/17.  Somebody wanna foreward me all of the list postings??? 
j/k  t;)

ne-wayz... if you had e-mailed me specifically over the last few days....
please re-mail me... thanx...

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Does anyone know anything about a party in Kalamazoo this weekend or in the
next couple weeks? Someone said something to me, but I didn't see anything
on the calendar.

Thanks,
Zac
cogswell@pilot.msu.edu



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A>>So when I take some aspirin and change my brain chemistry, I am not ME?  Or
>>when I drink too much cafeenee "I AM NOT ME".???  I think everyone needs to
>>realize not all drugs are the same, and shouldn't be treated as such.
>
>	From a literal standpoint, no you are not you.  If you take a
>baseline measurement of yourself while in a completely natural state ( er..
>right)  and compare it to the one after injesting one of the aformentioned
>drugs, it will be different.  

The same could be said for reading a book, or watching a tv show or any
experience  as soon as you experience ANYTHING you are not exactly the same
any sort of stimulii induces changes in your brain.  So do you cease to be
you from the moment you are born (and perpetually cease to be someone else
becomming billions of different people)? Sure people change, their opinions
change, maybe a lot or maybe very little by an experience but they are
still the same person IMO.  Taking drugs is an experience (be it good or
bad) and before after and during you are still you.... 

enuff rambling,

tad


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i found this little article in a new jersey magazine called "huge."  Enjoy
your drug use  and remember keep both hands to the ground outside the boat to
prevent spillage.

entro

>>Illest Hole
There we were, me and Chris, driving along at 4:00am, all cracked out from 2
hits of E apiece dropped earlier that night at a club that turned out to be
wack, on our way TO a party that was like 45 minutes away and about to end. 

Suddenly Chris's voice of reason kicked in. 

"We're not doing this, yo. This is ridiculous."             

He pulled off the highway and headed for somewhere that was a surprise.
Shortly we found ourselves pulling off a back road and onto a horse-and-
carriage dirt path that went deeper and deeper into the woods. 

Once we were waaaay in there, in total darkness, Chris parked, cracked open a
glow stick, and produced a 40 jar. He pounded out some fat rails and told me
that we were gonna kill them all right then and there. I took a deep
breath.... this was way more K than I was used to doing at once. So we killed
the K and Chris made me get in the driver's seat so that I could be in charge
of getting us OUT of the woods if anything were to happen from that point on.
Yeah, okay.... I already didn't think I could even SEE. A hole began to
descend upon me like I was being sucked into a vortex. 

Suddenly I became absolutely convinced that we were moving. I turned to Chris
in a panic, as soon as I figured out where he was, and busted out with, 

"Are we moving?!?" 

"Nah, yo, we're parked. The car is off.." 

I began a frantic search for the keys. Yes, see, there they were, right in the
ignition.... the car must be running, but just very quietly. We must have
slipped out of park and started rolling.... didn't Chris feel that too?! 

All of a sudden, Chris felt it too. He grabbed the keys out of the ignition
and held them in his lap waaay over there in the passenger seat. Now we would
be fine. We couldn't be moving now. 

"I'm sorry. I'm SOR-RY..." I heard myself saying, "but... aaaAAAHhhHH!!!" 

How the hell did we wind up in this busy intersection?! Wow it had gotten
bright. Oh my God I can't see the traffic light.... is it green or red? Am I
blocking traffic? Should I be going right now? What the hell, ARE WE MOVING???

I flung open the car door into the darkness of the woods. Oh hey yeah, we are
parked in the woods in the middle of the night. Something weird must have been
going on a second ago then. Oh yes, I am in a K-hole. I pulled my face closer
and closer to the ground below us.... 

"What are you DOING, yo?" 

And oh yeah, Chris is here with me. 

"I'm trying to see if the ground looks like it's moving. I'm SORRY, I know we
keep going through this, but I swear that it is." 

Chris started to get nervous too. But he was holding the keys.... we simply
could not be moving. But we could have slipped out of park. 

"Here, I'll put on the emergency brake," Chris offered as he pulled it on
tight as hell. "It's OK, now we're safe, yo." 

Even so, Chris also opened his door and began to inspect the ground. Then he
got over it and started talking to me normally again.... well, as normally as
could be expected. I apologized for listening while leaning halfway out my
door with one hand on the ground. Chris was fine with it for about 2 minutes
and then re-opened his door and continued talking with one hand also on the
ground. There we were.... 2 kids parked deep in the woods, in total darkness,
on a trail not intended for cars, with the keys out of the ignition and the
emergency brake on, having a conversation each leaning out of a car door with
one hand on the ground to reassure ourselves that the car wasn't moving. And
we knew it was ridiculous, and we had to laugh, but it was still something
that we had to do. <<

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Does anybody know who Dave Aude is that is playing with DJ Dan in St.
Louis tonight? What kind of music does he spin? 

Any info appreciated!

Just curious, thinking of going . . .

-- Robin

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If you don't know, you should.

Big-up home-town hero Deelishus (mke) for a slammin set on Velocity.

Checkit: http://www.pseudo.com/links/archiveplay.asp?archid=4595&archtype=vid

Trace plays before. Deelishus' set starts at 1:08:40 (or so)

Evan B.
ElectroMedia, Ltd.



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If any of you are on this list... I need a reaffirmation that i'm good to go
to mc for kevin and chico tonight...

please mail me a confirmation.

entro

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>From mw-raves-owner-bondseer Fri Feb 19 22:19:02 1999
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>In a message dated 2/19/99 11:09:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>xtra@hempseed.com writes:
>
>> I wonder how many of you girls have been 
>>  offered money to do something like that, and how many of you 
>>  would be willing to do something like that for money?!?
>
>actually, two of my friends were asked to do some porno work whil eat 
further
>last year, one was a guy, the other a girl... they both declined... 
both
>thought it was hilarious... 


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From: Andrea Rose Kalish <akalish@csd.uwm.edu>
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I went to last year's.  My crew and I had a great time, but we did notice
a bunch of bad things:  Some of us who helped promotionally for the party
were told we'd be guest listed, but weren't.  
Shady!
After driving 8 hours, are
we going to turn around and go home? . . . No, we're going to pay.  So we
did, and were treated to a party where very few of the djs actually showed
up, and Sunday afternoon and morning resulted in the "main stage" being
reduced to random folks' sound systems.  it was good beat, no doubt, but
not the names we had travelled 8 hours to see all at once.  The drug
situation _was_ rediculous-as said, akin to hot dog vendors.  The only
thing great about it (in my insignificant opinion) was the way the
Chicago family vibed when we came out to play. 

My 3 cents!
>Andrea

oh, and props to those who read not just next weeks flyers, but Vonnegut.


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I need the info line number for the party in luiville
peace Jay

please return luiville

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Check out a book titled "The F Word"

A good coffetable book, just not the right size.
>Andrea


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For those that asked for the correct URL . . . I pulled it up on my
computer again on the same address as I had posted:
http://www.duversity.org/archives/rave.html
If you try again and for some reason it doesn't work, e-mail me privately
and I'l fax/mail you a copy.
Cheers,
Andrea


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>DJ K-9
>HH, indy

who is this?

is this the kid i heard about that's been stocking HH at univibe?



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ok, so 3 weeks after having my tables shipped out and a week after getting
my records...one of my cartridges just went bye-bye. a moment of silence
for a dearly departed stylus...

so, this provides the perfect opportunity to ask a few questions. In
September, I moved to New Mexico, a place that is not a hotbed of audio
supply stores.  does anyone have any recommendations of some good stores
with competitive prices that I could order a new cartidge from?

tangent that i've been meaning to bring up for a while:  I have Ortofon
Concorde E's(the blue ones).  completely unrelated to loosing a chunk of
the diamond recently, occasionally i'll lose the left or right channel on
one of the cartridges.  this has happened on both cartridges on both tonearms.
 has anyone experienced this phenomena with Ortofons?  My guess is a poor
connection fit between the tonearm and the cartridge, but any insight 
would be helpful.

			paul toastman


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not sure if this was posted yet, but I'll be playing at INSPIRATION in
Muncie, IN tonight. My new CD just arrived today so we will be selling those
at the event for a discounted price since I'm playing as well. I think this
is a benefit party and everybody should try to make it out there. Info line
is 317-227-7576. Hope to see you all there.

- Radianation


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(502)569-1757 is the info line for Hometown Heroes on Feb 27th and Dubtribe
on the 26th of March.  Hometown Heroes is only six bucks.  The party tonight
"Astro-Glide" is 12 bucks for a bunch of locals????!!  I dunno why but
anyway if you're really jonesin for a party the line is (502) 363-4099 or
(502) 394-8497.

-----Original Message-----
From: M24Jay@aol.com <M24Jay@aol.com>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 3:36 PM
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>I need the info line number for the party in luiville
>peace Jay
>
>please return luiville


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 20 22:55:45 1999
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From: Pete Mannix <peter@pubnix.org>
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G'day y'all...

just a little note to let people know where things stand.  The party will
definitely be at the high st. den in Champaign/Urbana IL on March 20.
Please let us know if you're coming and how many guests you will have with
you so that we can plan accordingly.  You should let us know by signing in
on John's web site:  http://csclub.stthomas.edu/~johnc/netparty.html.

IF YOU WANT TO SPIN OR PERFORM, send us a tape or cd!  We will be making
the lineup on 2/28, so be sure to get us something before then.  If you've
performed for Rural Amerika, Paradox, or Gro in the past, or know for
sure that one of the UC kids has a tape of you, then just drop us a line
saying you want to spin.

WHERE TO SEND TAPES:
         net ravers
         709 W. High St.
         Urbana, IL. 61801

whee!  All is going smoothly, and I've got the feeling this is going to be
a fun lil get together!  More info as the time approaches

peas,
-pete
-- 
[ FiZ / peter@pubnix.org / http://www.pubnix.org/~peter/fiz.html ]



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On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:00:19 -0500 "Z. Cogswell" <cogswell@pilot.msu.edu>
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>Does anyone know anything about a party in Kalamazoo this weekend or 
>in the next couple weeks? Someone said something to me, but I didn't see

>anything on the calendar.


there isn't anything going on here as far as i know.  we (black nation)
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there might be some small house house parties going on, but other than
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Hey, can somebody out there PLEASE post full info for Destiny up in
Toronto this year!?!?
'twould be greatly appreciated.


Thanks in advance!

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do y'all have any clue how cool makers mark is?
i feel no pain, no depression, and i don't even miss prasad.  

xoxo
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ps:  prasad, if you read this, i wuz just kidding about the last remark
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"All Out"
Saturday March 6, 1999
brought to you by Nation
sound by Steve Dash (Twilo)

******* 4 areas of sound:

HARD HOUSE & TECHNO:
* Green Velvet LIVE * World premiere Constant Caos (Relief/Music Man/Chicago)
* Paul Walker * (Eastern Block/UK)
* Kenny Glasgow * (Method 11:11/MWE/Toronto)
* Peter & Tyrone * (83 West/Toronto)
* Lotus * (Blue/Speed/Toronto)

DRUM N BASS:
* Grooverider * (Sony/Prototype/UK)
* Fabio * (Creative Source/Swerve/UK)
* Sniper * (Vinyl Syndicate/Syrous/Toronto)
* Mystical Influence * (Vinyl Syndicate/Syrous/Toronto)
* Slip n' Slide * (Vinyl Syndicate/Urban Takeover/Toronto)
* Marcus * (Visionary/ The Prophecy)

BIG BEATS:
* Deejay Punk-Roc * (Sony/NYC)
* Barry Ashworth of Dub Pistols * (UK)
* John E. * (Pure/Toronto)
* Ludikris * (Toronto)

THE DRINK: ACID JAZZ & DEEP HOUSE:
* Jason Palmar * (TO)
* DJ Griffin * (TO)

All ages welcome with ID
Presale $25 CDN (thats only $16.50 USD)
Tickets available through Ticketmaster
More @ the door
Location:  The Guvernment Warehouse Complex
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
5000+ capacity

Info: 416-760-3131
email:  mwe@idirect.com

Offical afterhours @ The Comfort Zone
480 Spadina Ave (@ College)
with DJ's:
Cajmere, Andy Roberts, Quest and many more

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well, i'm glad i risked life and limb to drive to madison in my roomates
little death-mobile for faded.

still an amazing happening.  i was getting quite jiggy.

peace,
Chad



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Sat March 27, 1999
Continuum & Love present:
**Unconditional Love**

rated the #1 DJ in the world:
**Paul Oakenfold (Perfecto/UK)
**Dave Ralph (Perfecto/Cream/UK)

and the Progression Sessions Tour featuring the Good Looking Crew:
LTJ Bukem
MC Conrad
Blame
Intense
MC DRS

along with:
Justin Robertson (Lionrock/Bugged Out/UK)
Kenny Glasgow (Method 11:11/MWE/Toronto)
Adam Marshall
Dr. Trance
+ many more

Location:  TBA  Toronto, Ontario, Canada
all ages welcome
$25 CDN advance (thats a measley $16.50 US) ; more at the door
info:  416-760-3388
www.continuumproductions.com

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we "ravers" are quite spoiled. 

even shitty sound systems at ghetto-ass chicago parties are better than
what was at the outkast concert.

all i know is that when they implored the crowd to "oo sat wumma, quabe
nut scrub!!" the only response i could muster up was "WOOOOOO!!!!!!"

at the same time...i realize that there's a whole other world of
experience out there that has nothing to do with raving or work, or
chillin with my friends.  it's called "what everyone else does"...i saw a
thousand different faces, a thousand different styles of dress, a thousand
unique people.  i sort of forgot that there's people my age who do stuff
completely different than i do, who live such a completely different
lifestyle, who have such a completely different frame of reference, it was
a bit wierd to be immersed in.  i felt vulnerable for dancing, for letting
my guard down and loving these beautiful people.  but i felt strong for
the same reasons...such is the way.

it's really a shame they felt the need to try to be so hardcore.
it's a shame when people deny themselves a smile in favor of carrying
unecessary tension.  if i could buy the world a coke...or something...
life could be such a groovy scene.

peace,
Chad

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Prugh Q <twkr@juno.com> wrote:

>do y'all have any clue how cool makers mark is?
>i feel no pain, no depression, and i don't even miss prasad.

Oooooo..... someone is stepping on some toes here.  ; )  Look in the
archives, and you will see more than a few drunken remarks and rants about
the virtues of Makers Mark from myself.  The question being, how do you
drink your Bourbon?  With water?  On ice?  God forbid you drink it mixed
with something like Coke to hide the taste.

God speed on your drunken journey.

If you want a Bourbon to kick your ass, try Knob Creek.  It's the shizit!
If you want the sensation of drinking molten metal with a nice Bourbon
taste, try Bookers.  It's around 126 proof or so...





                                               -jp
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I just moved to Lawrence, Kansas about a month ago from San Francisco.  I dont

have any idea where I would find out about parties around here.  I would
really

appreciate any help and information anyone could give me(I'm starting to get
tired of 

sitting home on the weekends!).
                     I look forward to meeting some of you soon,
                                                                              
Sara
                               

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Is green velvet finally out of trouble?  I heard he's been in some pretty
hot water with Chicago promoters.  Just heard a little bit and wunderin' if
there's any truth to it.

"Land where the unwanted, feel wanted....
Land where the misfits, fit...
Land where the unhappy, are so happy...
Land, foreign, to you and me....
Land of the free.....
LAND OF THE LOST...
AND IN THIS LAND,
WE DANCE!!!!"
-Green Velvet

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Subject: [mw] "All Out" 3/6/99: Green Velvet/Punk Roc/Grooverider/Fabio


>"All Out"
>Saturday March 6, 1999
>brought to you by Nation
>sound by Steve Dash (Twilo)
>
>******* 4 areas of sound:
>
>HARD HOUSE & TECHNO:
>* Green Velvet LIVE * World premiere Constant Caos (Relief/Music
Man/Chicago)
>* Paul Walker * (Eastern Block/UK)
>* Kenny Glasgow * (Method 11:11/MWE/Toronto)
>* Peter & Tyrone * (83 West/Toronto)
>* Lotus * (Blue/Speed/Toronto)
>
>DRUM N BASS:
>* Grooverider * (Sony/Prototype/UK)
>* Fabio * (Creative Source/Swerve/UK)
>* Sniper * (Vinyl Syndicate/Syrous/Toronto)
>* Mystical Influence * (Vinyl Syndicate/Syrous/Toronto)
>* Slip n' Slide * (Vinyl Syndicate/Urban Takeover/Toronto)
>* Marcus * (Visionary/ The Prophecy)
>
>BIG BEATS:
>* Deejay Punk-Roc * (Sony/NYC)
>* Barry Ashworth of Dub Pistols * (UK)
>* John E. * (Pure/Toronto)
>* Ludikris * (Toronto)
>
>THE DRINK: ACID JAZZ & DEEP HOUSE:
>* Jason Palmar * (TO)
>* DJ Griffin * (TO)
>
>All ages welcome with ID
>Presale $25 CDN (thats only $16.50 USD)
>Tickets available through Ticketmaster
>More @ the door
>Location:  The Guvernment Warehouse Complex
>Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>5000+ capacity
>
>Info: 416-760-3131
>email:  mwe@idirect.com
>
>Offical afterhours @ The Comfort Zone
>480 Spadina Ave (@ College)
>with DJ's:
>Cajmere, Andy Roberts, Quest and many more


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>kid entropy has reserved some virtual crack rock for you!
>
MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!

Beat me to it.......I was gonna do that this moanin'

Oh well....entro wins......

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Hey I dated Bill Samuels' (the creator and owner of Makers) daughter in
grade school.  A true whiskey drinker never settles for less than the ass
kickin' chicken-Wild Turkey 101.
-----Original Message-----
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>Prugh Q <twkr@juno.com> wrote:
>
>>do y'all have any clue how cool makers mark is?
>>i feel no pain, no depression, and i don't even miss prasad.
>
>Oooooo..... someone is stepping on some toes here.  ; )  Look in the
>archives, and you will see more than a few drunken remarks and rants about
>the virtues of Makers Mark from myself.  The question being, how do you
>drink your Bourbon?  With water?  On ice?  God forbid you drink it mixed
>with something like Coke to hide the taste.
>
>God speed on your drunken journey.
>
>If you want a Bourbon to kick your ass, try Knob Creek.  It's the shizit!
>If you want the sensation of drinking molten metal with a nice Bourbon
>taste, try Bookers.  It's around 126 proof or so...
>
>
>
>
>
>                                               -jp
>                                               <incessantly lulling.    >
>                                               <randomly stimulating>
>                <ICQ: 2147740 >
>
>


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Hey now, welcome to the Midwest.  To help ease your homesickness, San Fran's
own Dubtribe Sound System will be directly down the Ohio river in
Louisville, Kentucky on March 26th.  For more info, go to www.strangeloop.nu
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>
>I just moved to Lawrence, Kansas about a month ago from San Francisco.  I
dont
>
>have any idea where I would find out about parties around here.  I would
>really
>
>appreciate any help and information anyone could give me(I'm starting to
get
>tired of
>
>sitting home on the weekends!).
>                     I look forward to meeting some of you soon,
>
>Sara
>


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www.nkaos.com/destiny/

unless it's changed, that's the best place to gather info.

On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 warprat@juno.com wrote:

> Hey, can somebody out there PLEASE post full info for Destiny up in
> Toronto this year!?!?
> 'twould be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Dave
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I've been to Lawrence a couple times and didn't find too much in the way of
'techno clubs' or parties, but there is a kickass club called the
Bottleneck.  A couple friends & I have drove up to Lawrence serveral to go
there...  But it's a pretty cool city, so I'm sure there should be a more
techno orientated club somewhere around there....

Have fun!
     Mike


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dont
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>have any idea where I would find out about parties around here.  I would
>really
>
>appreciate any help and information anyone could give me(I'm starting to get
>tired of 



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powdered toastman wrote:

> so, this provides the perfect opportunity to ask a few questions. In
> September, I moved to New Mexico, a place that is not a hotbed of audio
> supply stores.  does anyone have any recommendations of some good stores
> with competitive prices that I could order a new cartidge from?
>

I haven't shopped here for awhile, so I don't know hwo competitive their prices
are now, but check out Upstairs Records @ www.djgear.com

> tangent that i've been meaning to bring up for a while:  I have Ortofon
> Concorde E's(the blue ones).  completely unrelated to loosing a chunk of
> the diamond recently, occasionally i'll lose the left or right channel on
> one of the cartridges.  this has happened on both cartridges on both tonearms.
>  has anyone experienced this phenomena with Ortofons?  My guess is a poor
> connection fit between the tonearm and the cartridge, but any insight
> would be helpful.

Yea, I've seen that happen frequently with Ortofons (and Trackmasters)...just
clean the contacts on the back of the stylus head, and you can do the same for the
tonearm if that alone doesn't work.

-John



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Just in case anyone is interested, for your post-Mardi Gras blues....



The Freebass Society presents:

saturday march 6th

carl cox(uk)
ltj bukem(uk)
grandmaster flash(nyc)
steve "silk" hurley(chicago)
mc conrad(uk)
blame(uk)
mc drs(uk)
intense(uk)
dj disco d(detroit)
dan deliverance(kc/delaware)

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>Tickets available through Ticketmaster


Eww... that's scary.

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Am I the only one bothered by this?  

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On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Ethan Lucarelli wrote:

> Am I the only one bothered by this?  


No you are definitely not the only one!

I too, am much disturbed that tomorrow is monday.


fuk school,
Adam


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Is there any dance type thang goin' on tanight?
Got some peeps in from KC that er lookin fer somfin in da
Jungle/techno/hardhouse arena (please no house)

Lemme know,please......wit some addy and #'s.....

Thanks in advance (that's my "officeness" comin' through)

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Ya know, I had forgot how cool this cat is (even know he's cocky).
I just got his "twisted designz" CD (I know,'bout time,shut up)
I there are any cats out there who are inta the darkside of experimental
jungle.......
pick that shit up....you will not be dissapointed......

Made me kill my neighbors cat..........

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Since mid-november i've been living in an awful place known as 'downer's
grove.'  those familiar with the local in illinois its near oakbrook,
naperville, hinsdale and the environs... its a pretty fucking horrible place.

i've got two more months officially til i move from this hellhole to roger's
park or logan square (leaning towards roger's park right now.)  So about all
my ass does is 1. goes to work 2. hang out with the gf  3. sits and mopes with
new shipments from Fondle em records, audio coutour and the like 4. hang at
the blockbuster and rent horrible movies 5. and play alot more out of town
bookings than in town. (which i noticed something... when you don't play in
town... people who used to be your friends are more opt to think you have
become a egomaniac superstar who hangs out with some  nonexistant superstar
elite... rather than some cat who happens to now live 45 minutes away from
where he used to live.

anyways... 

if ANYONE lives in this area... i'm calling out to ya... I'm bored as fuck...
and i would at least like to spin, skate, cause property damage and/or drink
lots of guiness...

email us.

yours in rock cocaine,
entro

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On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, WillEBear wrote:

> Hey I dated Bill Samuels' (the creator and owner of Makers) daughter in
> grade school.  A true whiskey drinker never settles for less than the ass
> kickin' chicken-Wild Turkey 101.

first you gobble, then you wobble...

if you like to throw your money into the toilet, try Crown Royale, some
serious bourbon.


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the monthly club night for disco disciples continues...

Wednesday February 24, 1999

PHONO

Glenn Underground
Synergy

Thai Joe's 2239 North Prospect Avenue Milwaukee, WI
Doors at Nine PM Arrive Early Twenty-One and Over



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 Children of tha bass
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this is something i saw that i felt important enough to forward to the list, i
would
take this kind of shit VERY serious





WARNING - DO NOT USE "GEOCITIES" FOR YOUR EMAIL - THIS IS NOT A JOKE

For nearly a year, I have had my primary email account at one of the 
country's biggest free email providers, GEOCITIES.

I am a professional computer programmer, so I use a lot of high-end 
analysis tools and custom software packages on my workstation.  One day 
recently while using my geocities account, I happened to be running one 
of these programs.  The utility program I was running was what is known 
as a "sniffer," which is used to detect and analyze background activity 
on your PC.  (Background activity is the behind-the-scenes processing 
that goes on in your PC but you can't see on the screen - things like 
math calculations and network protocol translation.)

I happened to glance at the "sniffer" screen while downloading my email 
from Geocities.  Much to my amazement,  I saw that copies of all my 
email, in addition to being sent to me, were being redirected to a 
Geocities administrator account!  That means that some executive at 
Geocities,  for reasons unknown,  was receiving and possibly reading all 
of my private email!  

I immediately complained to Geocities.  The response I got was shocking 
- they basically admitted what they were doing and told me to get lost!  
Their response included the following statements: "...we have a valid 
interest in making sure there's nothing objectionable being transmited 
through our email.  We are legally allowed and in fact, ethically 
required, to scan for things like racist comments, bomb-building 
information, conversations about drug use,  etc.,  so that we may take 
appropriate action and forward information on to the appropriate 
authorities if we deem fit."  They also pointed out that the right to 
privacy applies only to government,  not to email sent through private 
companies!!!  They also notified me that buried in the small print when 
you sign up for a Geocities account is a clause giving them your consent 
to scan your mail.  Pretty sneaky, in my opinion,  but I suppose not 
illegal.  It sends a chill down my spine,though, to think that they've 
been reading through all my personal and business email for all this 
time.

That alone is enough to make me reconsider having my email account 
there.  But that's not all. When I escalated this complaint and posted 
information about their policies on my web site,  I soon found that they 
had retailiated by cancelleing my email account and locking me out of 
their server!  Because I'm a small business owner and do 90% of my 
business via my email account,  this had a severe impact on my income.  
I suddenly lost all my ability to receive email through my geocities 
account,  which is the email address that all my clients use.  To this 
day,  my business has still not recovered.

I have argued,  sent email after email, and yes, begged and pleaded with 
geocities, to reinstate my account.  But now they refuse to respond - 
sort of.  The only response I've gotten is a letter from their attorney,  
not about my email account,  but threatening to sue me if I don't "cease 
and desist" from telling people the truth about their service.  I 
haven't done anything wrong, and I refuse to be silenced - I will 
continue to spread the word about what these people are doing and how 
they run their business.

Please pass this information on to a friend or associate,  so that they 
will know not to use geocities if they have any desire for personal 
privacy.  Maybe one day when enough of us "little guys" have made a 
stand,  the corporate big-brother will listen.

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downer's grove? isnt' there a 'massage parlor' around there? i think it was
called King's Health Spa, pretty relaxting...  hehehe  hm.... wait you have
a gf, nevermind.


havin fun,
       Mike


>anyways... 
>
>if ANYONE lives in this area... i'm calling out to ya... I'm bored as fuck...
>and i would at least like to spin, skate, cause property damage and/or drink
>lots of guiness...
>
>email us.
>
>yours in rock cocaine,
>entro
>
>


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>
>WARNING - DO NOT USE "GEOCITIES" FOR YOUR EMAIL - THIS IS NOT A JOKE
>
um... what program was able to detect that?

      curious,
           Mike




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At 08:42 PM 2/21/99 EST, you wrote:
>this is something i saw that i felt important enough to forward to the
list, i
>would
>take this kind of shit VERY serious

>WARNING - DO NOT USE "GEOCITIES" FOR YOUR EMAIL - THIS IS NOT A JOKE

I don't mean to attack you cris, I know you're just forwarding something
along that sounds pretty believable.

it also looks a lot like a hoax and I wouldn't believe it unless the person
who originally wrote the message left their name and email address so that
people with questions could ask...  Other things that look phony about this
forward are the unnamed "sniffer" program that tells you what's going on in
your computer.  First of all why not give the name of the product?  And
second of all, if i'm not mistaken, geocities mail is run through the web.
If that's the case, which I'm sure it is, all the mail-sending commands
would take place on the server and not on your home computer.  Even if this
"sniffer" program did exist, it wouldn't be able to tell what geocities
mail was doing with your message because all of that happens off of your
computer.  Finally, why not include an actual copy of the message that the
geocities admin sent in response?  probably because none of this ever
happened?

I'm sure a quick check of alt.folklore.urban will come up with something
more concrete.  if so i'll post it.

chris, showing his pathetic computer nerdishness

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>>
>>WARNING - DO NOT USE "GEOCITIES" FOR YOUR EMAIL - THIS IS NOT A JOKE
>>
>um... what program was able to detect that?

Well, what he described sounded like a packet sniffer.  Unfortunately, to
work in the manner that he described  would require a computer running the
packet sniffer software on the same subnet as the Geocities mail server. He
is claiming that when you check your mail at Geocities the mail server
sends not only a copy of the message to your client ( Eudora, Netscape,
whatever...) but to some other computer as well.

Geocities wouldn't have to do this.  All of the mail could be inspected
internally, possibly on the same computer, either when it's recieved from
other people sending mail to you, or when you send mail through Geocities.
Not when you actually check your mail.  This would be indetecteble since
your computer would only recieve mail that was being sent DIRECTLY to it,
and wouldn't be able to see the other messages being routed to the 'big
brother' machine, UNLESS you were on the same subnet as I said before.

Encryption software may be a good idea. There are many ways to monitor
network traffic, and if you're going to send sensitive information, you
should protect yourself.








                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.    >
                                               <randomly stimulating>
		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >



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> would take place on the server and not on your home computer.  Even if this
> "sniffer" program did exist, it wouldn't be able to tell what geocities
> mail was doing with your message because all of that happens off of your
> computer.  

Actually, a sniffer could tell what is going on at geocities. If geocities
has an RMON probe running and did not set the password correctly (which is
very common) then a remote compter could see what is going on in the
Geocities subnet. The other way to get into Geocities site with a sniffer
is to hack a geocities computer and install a sniffer. I doubt this guy
did either one.

I tested Triticom's LANdecoder and LANdecoder32, which are sniffers, for
a summer.

For more information on the product, www.triticom.com

ryan 


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Ok. here is the skinny on all of this.. I Have a "SNIFFER" called NAI... 
for curiosity sakes, I have been monitoring all traffic out and in of 
the ports off of geocities main router(cisco 7500... Its interesting, 
but Past the regular b.s. packets and encrypts. there is nothing notable 
really.... Now, If i were to check the mail ports, that would be a 
different story.. Basically, All mail servers have a somewhat 
responsibilty to track email.. This is, in no sense an infrigement on 
your rights..(read the rules of geocities)..And i have major doubts that 
anything you've ever posted is being monitor by any special agency
.
                      Just the facts..
                  Oh, and by the way.
                 My email is kode_@hotmail.com
                     and my name is Dan Sharp
          any questions.. Direct them to me
            Love to all..
                       (o_0)  Dan Sharp
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>At 08:42 PM 2/21/99 EST, you wrote:
>>this is something i saw that i felt important enough to forward to the
>list, i
>>would
>>take this kind of shit VERY serious
>
>>WARNING - DO NOT USE "GEOCITIES" FOR YOUR EMAIL - THIS IS NOT A JOKE
>
>I don't mean to attack you cris, I know you're just forwarding 
something
>along that sounds pretty believable.
>
>it also looks a lot like a hoax and I wouldn't believe it unless the 
person
>who originally wrote the message left their name and email address so 
that
>people with questions could ask...  Other things that look phony about 
this
>forward are the unnamed "sniffer" program that tells you what's going 
on in
>your computer.  First of all why not give the name of the product?  And
>second of all, if i'm not mistaken, geocities mail is run through the 
web.
>If that's the case, which I'm sure it is, all the mail-sending commands
>would take place on the server and not on your home computer.  Even if 
this
>"sniffer" program did exist, it wouldn't be able to tell what geocities
>mail was doing with your message because all of that happens off of 
your
>computer.  Finally, why not include an actual copy of the message that 
the
>geocities admin sent in response?  probably because none of this ever
>happened?
>
>I'm sure a quick check of alt.folklore.urban will come up with 
something
>more concrete.  if so i'll post it.
>
>chris, showing his pathetic computer nerdishness
>


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chris ege <crege@students.wisc.edu> said:

>Other things that look phony about this
>forward are the unnamed "sniffer" program that tells you what's going on in
>your computer.  First of all why not give the name of the product?

sorry for the double post.

AG  Group, Inc. makes a product called EtherPeek for the Mac.  I've used it
occasionally at work to monitor network problems and it includes various
'diagnostic filters' that allow you to set it up to watch for _very_
specific types of internet traffic.  I used one comuter running EtherPeek
to monitor my normal workstation as it checked my mail. I was able to read
everthing that was transmitted.  You can even set it up to watch for
specific  keywords.  It can also be set up to monitor web traffic with the
same result.

I think this guy has some other agenda in mind.





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.    >
                                               <randomly stimulating>
		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >



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 SARA!!!!!!! :)
   Welcome to the midwest, We are smiling happy creatures here..
  I am somewhat far away from you(bloomington,il) but if you ever head 
in the direction of chicago or indi, EMAIL me, you can stay here, And i 
will show you and any friends around!!!
      Welcome again... and hope you enjoy!!!
              Love to you (0_o)
                         Dan Sharp

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>I just moved to Lawrence, Kansas about a month ago from San Francisco.  
I dont
>
>have any idea where I would find out about parties around here.  I 
would
>really
>
>appreciate any help and information anyone could give me(I'm starting 
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>tired of 
>
>sitting home on the weekends!).
>                     I look forward to meeting some of you soon,
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Good god,  LOL  hey man, try and be a little more subtle next time ....

-  Jens

Dan Sharp wrote:

>  SARA!!!!!!! :)
>    Welcome to the midwest, We are smiling happy creatures here..
>   I am somewhat far away from you(bloomington,il) but if you ever head
> in the direction of chicago or indi, EMAIL me, you can stay here, And i
> will show you and any friends around!!!
>       Welcome again... and hope you enjoy!!!
>               Love to you (0_o)
>                          Dan Sharp
>
>
>
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Hey now! My best friends live in Downer's Grove...hehe its not all that
bad,,,,well not too bad!


Mad plurs to yas
lata
JaX

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On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Dan Sharp wrote:

> different story.. Basically, All mail servers have a somewhat 
> responsibilty to track email.. This is, in no sense an infrigement on 
> your rights..(read the rules of geocities)..

Not quite.  Since '93, I've run a freenet with user populations from
50-800, and I've had run-ins with lawyers and FBI agents (just so you know
I'm not talking out my ass..). A *corporate* email account provides for NO
implicit privacy (your boss can go through your email on a whim, for no
reason at all), BUT a public email host does NOT have that right, unless
explicitly granted.  This has been held up in court, as a user of a public
email account (the case I have in mind was just a generic ISP) has the
expectation of privacy and thus cannot have their email checked except via
court order.  Most ISPs have a clause in their Acceptable Use Policy
specifying that the sysadmin has the right to examine any materials on the
system for security purposes, and Geocities has such a clause that
includes checking *web pages* for porn, child abuse, or other illicit
stuff, but I could not find any legaleese allowing checking *private*
email.

> And i have major doubts that anything you've ever posted is being
> monitor by any special agency

Don't be so sure.  I, personally, have had the feds call me regarding the
actions of some users on pubnix.org.  Thankfully, I delete all logs and
even with a subpoena, they couldn't get shit from me.

Just some views from a sysadmin.  Things may have changed in the last few
years, and since pubnix.org hasn't been actively getting new members since
'97, I could be out of date, but this is at least how the legal
responsibilities of ISPs were 93-97.

peas,
-pete
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No...what bothers me is the fact thet Rockerfella(sp?) Skank is on 2 movie
trailers and that Praise Me is on another one. 

Okay, how believable is Usher (R&B singer guy) playing a DJ in the movie She's
All That? Okay, it's slighty believeable. But how believeable is it that he
drops a Fatboy Slim track while the people listening have a special
choereographed dance? Oh I forgot to mention that this was all done at a prom.
Oh yeah, we all had a special choereographed dance...

P

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you really seem to have a problem with making assumptions about what people
do. let's see:



>then don't go out every weekend...

I don't. Most of my weekends are spent relaxing from not having to work,
besides, you haven't been paying attention. I have to many bills to feasibly
afford to go out. and i pay my bills.


>you pay just as much for concerts... or more... and you get less time for
you >cash, maybe 3 hours for a ticket... as opposed to up to 8-12 hours or
>more....

I don't go to concerts either. no wait, i take that back. I went to sarah
maclaclan <sp> last april because a friend had tix and had to go to a
funeral, and i went to jethro tull in october because the radio station i
was working for had promo tix and i sweet-talked the promotions director
into giving me a pair for my sister's birthday. that, btw, was an incredible
show


>really, sometimes you just have to budget and do with out...

oh, believe me buddy, i know. you don't have to tell me a damn thing about
doing without.


>as long as people go to $25 parties, they are still gonna have them...

well thats one factor. another one: as long as promoters continue to think
that they *have* to throw parties a certain way to be considered successful
by the public, then there will continue to be high-cost parties. success is
in the eyes of the beholder, but thats another rant for another day...


>at least it isn't $30+ like it
>is on the east coast and some places in the south... or Europe... i saw
>"small" events over there that cost $60 american dollars... and that was in
>1995 back when everyone was less expensive...

when i live over there i'll give a rats ass, but that really doesn't affect
me now.


>now think of the cost...  in a way this is almost like the pavaratzi (sp)
>everyone hates them for stalking and taking pictures of their favorite
>celebrities, yet you still buy the magazines and watch the gossip about
>them...

once again, no i don't. boy you really think you know me, don't you?


>so until you don't care, they
>will still be around...

ah, but see, i do care. thats why i try to discuss intelligently about ways
to deal with it. djgroove responded to me in a way that pointed out some
very valid issues that a promoter has to deal with in order to bring off a
quality event these days. i disagree with a few of the points that he made,
but he helped me see that there are promoters out there who are trying to
think of ways to help alleviate this problem, and also helped to justify the
rising costs of parties in a non-confrontational manner. you however, seem
to have this thing about making assumptions of what people do so you can
tell them where to get off.


>just like $25 parties... as long as you go to them...
>they will have them... sorry to say... but it is really that simple

sure its that simple. so do you propose the completely irrational idea of
every raver staying home if the party is more than $10 so we can "teach
those promoters a lesson?" and what about the parties that are worth the
price? seems to me that someone really missed the point here. i don't mind
that there are $25 parties let say, oh, once a month, or maybe even twice.
but the issue we were trying to get at was the issue of every weekend having
to pay this much if you choose to go out every weekend. this is the only
option now. no one is making any kind of an effort to offset the big events
with some smaller, more intimate events at lower costs. (actually, i don't
want to say that, because i know that there are some promoters out there who
are doing just that. you know who you are)

you are turning this into an issue about why some party kids can't or won't
pay $25 every single weekend to go to parties. that was not the issue. the
issue we were trying to discuss is why promoters don't seem to be throwing
less expensive events. unless you have something to say *ABOUT THAT
PARTICULAR ISSUE* then step off. i don't need a personal accountant. i'm
doing quite well on my own, thank you.

sincerely yours
pixie


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At the end of the day.  Fatboy Slim is represented in every movie trailer
these days. 

There's a group of people who cut out dilbert comics, sit in small boxes,
utilize the bennigan's 15 minute lunch rule, make over 20 grand a year, and go
out on friday after work to an expensive bar or cigar club and need an anthem,
that can blare out our workstations.

this is the voice... of... teeeechno.

There's a group of us that love a party, that want to look good for that cute
boy or girl in our sociology class, that borrow daddy's car to drive to school
and blare that stock stereo system as loud as possible, that heard about these
things that happen on the weekend where they play loud music but would rather
be safe and drink themselves into oblivion in a land of statutory rape to the
'perfect' beat on the radio.

this is the voice... of... teeeechno.

There's a group of us who dropped out of college, who spend alot of money on
hair care products only if they are not tested on animals, who steal our
makeup from the store instead of buying it but are sure to buy a vogue
magazine before they leave the dominick's, who like getting high, and for some
reason always end up hearing some strange ass shit whenever they are over at
their friend's house, and its been conditioning into their heads through a
mild hypnotic addiction.

this is the voice... of... teeechno

- notes from a recent major label meeting on marketing demographics.

the music/entertainment entity is a money making machine who's job is to
pinpoint trends after they prove to be a goldmine and them rape them for all
they are worth to yield a paycheck for this financial quarter. 

film, public appearance, or tv for an artist are all carefully plotted by the
person who is 'selling' said artist.

you got a good agent, who 'schmoozes' the right crowds... your music may be in
the next winter season movie rush of films that are little more than three's
company reruns... or at least that predictable.

enjoy the royalties.

entro

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---Aaron M Bennett <tlbk35@juno.com> wrote:

>> Does anyone know anything about a party in Kalamazoo this weekend or 
>> in the next couple weeks? Someone said something to me, but I
didn't >> see anything on the calendar.
> 
> 
> there isn't anything going on here as far as i know.  we (black
> nation) aren't doing anything party wise until late spring/early
> summer.  

There was, in fact, a Kalamazoo event this past Saturday (2/20/99),
called "Love Connection," and it drew around 400 people.  I apologize
for not including it in the event calendar, but I've had e-mail
difficulties recently, and it was my understanding that someone was
already going to announce it on mw-raves.  I promise we'll be better
in the future about making timely announcements for Kalamazoo events,
and that we'll try to be up on what's happening in Lansing, too.

This was a great party with a great vibe, and things went off very
well... so thank you to all who attended!

PLUR,

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Kidentropy@aol.com said:

>the music/entertainment entity is a money making machine who's job is to
>pinpoint trends after they prove to be a goldmine and them rape them for all
>they are worth to yield a paycheck for this financial quarter.


Amen.  If you want a good, at times fucking hillarious (and somewhat
depressing) book to read, look for Commodify Your Dissent.  It's a series
of essays that have appeared in a magazine out of Chicago called "The
Baffler".  Their job is to tear popular culture apart, and they do a
_GREAT_ job of it.  Above the title it says "The Buisness Of Culture In The
New Gilded Age".  Many of the essays in the book deal with the marketing of
'popular' culture and the subsequent rape of anything that was even
remotely 'hip' or worthwhile.

The article by Steve Albini ( of Big Black fame ) is hillarious, due to the
fact that  he tears the music industry a new asshole.

The book is definately worth your time.





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.    >
                                               <randomly stimulating>
		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >



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Entro sed:

> the music/entertainment entity is a money making machine who's job is to
> pinpoint trends after they prove to be a goldmine and them rape them for
> all they are worth to yield a paycheck for this financial quarter. 

i was always of the opinion that the two are in bed together and the sex
is consentual.  unless you believe that all artists are the equivalent of
minors...

				toastman

ps. bought "Rave 'till Dawn" for $7 used at the CD store across the street
on saturday.  it was nice to hear 2 Unlimited again


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Anything for the almighty $$.  But the question becomes (one I've
personally asked myself) what would you do in this situation??  Do you
turn down big moola (something most of us WORK hard for) to stay
underground, or sign the line and get big $ doing what you love instead
of working your 48 hr a week shift at ShittyWorkplace INC.  Some of us
need only to think shortly and the answer is
clear..................................others, well, they're writing
soundtracks for every major motion picture that is coming out in the next
three months.  Peace.

Jake
Fuck Capitali$m

On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:33:09 EST Kidentropy@aol.com writes:
>At the end of the day.  Fatboy Slim is represented in every movie 
>trailer
>these days. 
>
>There's a group of people who cut out dilbert comics, sit in small 
>boxes,
>utilize the bennigan's 15 minute lunch rule, make over 20 grand a 
>year, and go
>out on friday after work to an expensive bar or cigar club and need an 
>anthem,
>that can blare out our workstations.
>
>this is the voice... of... teeeechno.
>
>There's a group of us that love a party, that want to look good for 
>that cute
>boy or girl in our sociology class, that borrow daddy's car to drive 
>to school
>and blare that stock stereo system as loud as possible, that heard 
>about these
>things that happen on the weekend where they play loud music but would 
>rather
>be safe and drink themselves into oblivion in a land of statutory rape 
>to the
>'perfect' beat on the radio.
>
>this is the voice... of... teeeechno.
>
>There's a group of us who dropped out of college, who spend alot of 
>money on
>hair care products only if they are not tested on animals, who steal 
>our
>makeup from the store instead of buying it but are sure to buy a 
>vogue
>magazine before they leave the dominick's, who like getting high, and 
>for some
>reason always end up hearing some strange ass shit whenever they are 
>over at
>their friend's house, and its been conditioning into their heads 
>through a
>mild hypnotic addiction.
>
>this is the voice... of... teeechno
>
>- notes from a recent major label meeting on marketing demographics.
>
>the music/entertainment entity is a money making machine who's job is 
>to
>pinpoint trends after they prove to be a goldmine and them rape them 
>for all
>they are worth to yield a paycheck for this financial quarter. 
>
>film, public appearance, or tv for an artist are all carefully plotted 
>by the
>person who is 'selling' said artist.
>
>you got a good agent, who 'schmoozes' the right crowds... your music 
>may be in
>the next winter season movie rush of films that are little more than 
>three's
>company reruns... or at least that predictable.
>
>enjoy the royalties.
>
>entro
>

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In a message dated 2/22/99 11:19:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
senorlululalo@juno.com writes:

<< clear..................................others, well, they're writing
 soundtracks for every major motion picture that is coming out in the next
 three months.  Peace. >>

and in a year where will they be or maybe fifteen years from now...

on a vh1 "where are they now?" special being ridiculed, prolly either trying
to do a revival tour or making hats that don't sell...

royalties don't always pay your bills.

whereas jeff mills will still be prolonging his orgasm into a marketable
superstar
and prolonging his paycheck doing what he loves to do.

entro

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The difference here is that the song was NOT written for the movie. The
songs were already released and somebody working on the movie went, "I think
that one Fatboy Slim tune would work well in this scene." The motion picture
company then approaches the label and artist and say, "We'd like to pay you
$$$ to use your song in our movie."

There's a big difference between writing something with commercial interests
and being paid for art that you already had created. 

And remember, Fatboy Slim's Album first came out in England. It was then
liscensed by an American independent label for US release. So it is safe to
say that this Album was not created with the intent of being a hit in
America. 

I was watching South Park last night and Cartman was called a "Sell-out"
when asked what that was he was told, "A sell-out is somebody who makes
money in the entertainment industry." 

It's so true. If you do something 100% for artistic reasons but it sells
anyway - SOMEBODY will call you a sell-out (out of jealousy).

-Chad Sommer

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Jake Long [SMTP:senorlululalo@juno.com]
	Sent:	Monday, February 22, 1999 1:19 PM
	To:	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
	Subject:	Re: [mw] The Fine Art of Selling Out - fatboy slim

	Anything for the almighty $$.  But the question becomes (one I've
	personally asked myself) what would you do in this situation??  Do
you
	turn down big moola (something most of us WORK hard for) to stay
	underground, or sign the line and get big $ doing what you love
instead
	of working your 48 hr a week shift at ShittyWorkplace INC.  Some of
us
	need only to think shortly and the answer is
	clear..................................others, well, they're writing
	soundtracks for every major motion picture that is coming out in the
next
	three months.  Peace.

	Jake
	Fuck Capitali$m

	On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:33:09 EST Kidentropy@aol.com writes:
	>At the end of the day.  Fatboy Slim is represented in every movie 
	>trailer
	>these days. 
	>
	>There's a group of people who cut out dilbert comics, sit in small 
	>boxes,
	>utilize the bennigan's 15 minute lunch rule, make over 20 grand a 
	>year, and go
	>out on friday after work to an expensive bar or cigar club and need
an 
	>anthem,
	>that can blare out our workstations.
	>
	>this is the voice... of... teeeechno.
	>
	>There's a group of us that love a party, that want to look good for

	>that cute
	>boy or girl in our sociology class, that borrow daddy's car to
drive 
	>to school
	>and blare that stock stereo system as loud as possible, that heard 
	>about these
	>things that happen on the weekend where they play loud music but
would 
	>rather
	>be safe and drink themselves into oblivion in a land of statutory
rape 
	>to the
	>'perfect' beat on the radio.
	>
	>this is the voice... of... teeeechno.
	>
	>There's a group of us who dropped out of college, who spend alot of

	>money on
	>hair care products only if they are not tested on animals, who
steal 
	>our
	>makeup from the store instead of buying it but are sure to buy a 
	>vogue
	>magazine before they leave the dominick's, who like getting high,
and 
	>for some
	>reason always end up hearing some strange ass shit whenever they
are 
	>over at
	>their friend's house, and its been conditioning into their heads 
	>through a
	>mild hypnotic addiction.
	>
	>this is the voice... of... teeechno
	>
	>- notes from a recent major label meeting on marketing
demographics.
	>
	>the music/entertainment entity is a money making machine who's job
is 
	>to
	>pinpoint trends after they prove to be a goldmine and them rape
them 
	>for all
	>they are worth to yield a paycheck for this financial quarter. 
	>
	>film, public appearance, or tv for an artist are all carefully
plotted 
	>by the
	>person who is 'selling' said artist.
	>
	>you got a good agent, who 'schmoozes' the right crowds... your
music 
	>may be in
	>the next winter season movie rush of films that are little more
than 
	>three's
	>company reruns... or at least that predictable.
	>
	>enjoy the royalties.
	>
	>entro
	>

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jake wrote:

>Anything for the almighty $$.  But the question becomes (one I've
>personally asked myself) what would you do in this situation??  Do you
>turn down big moola (something most of us WORK hard for) to stay
>underground, or sign the line and get big $ doing what you love instead
>of working your 48 hr a week shift at ShittyWorkplace INC.  Some of us
>need only to think shortly and the answer is
>clear..................................



	::::::::::::::::::::::

	not sure WHAT your answer is to this. did you TAKE the CASH?

	::::::::::::::::::::::


>others, well, they're writing
>soundtracks for every major motion picture that is coming out in the next
>three months.  Peace.
>
>Jake
>Fuck Capitali$m
>



	::::::::::::::::::::::

	so you're saying that just because the INCREDIBLE music that
	norman cook has created is suddenly the flavor of the month
	for third party licensing, he SHOULD NOT take the money? what
	are you fuckin nuts??!! do you KNOW how much money we're
	PROBABLY talking about HERE? the ONLY artist i've EVER heard
	of to turn DOWN a third party licensing deal to promote
	*WHATEVER* product/movie/sport was R.E.M. - who reportedly
	turned down multi-millions when microsoft wanted to use "end
	of the world as we know it" to kick off windows '95 - and THAT
	is only because they are so FUCKING rich ANYWAY that they
	probably didn't need the CASH. so it's WRONG for fatboy to
	take the cash? do YOU even think he has the power to say NO?

	first of all - most likely original copyrights on those
	recordings are owned by SKINT records in brighton...
	...whose JOB it is to get those recordings into the public
	realm and make norman cook M-O-N-E-Y. all i can say to them
	is "great fucking job" (not ONE of those songs used were
	written specifically FOR a soundtrack by the way.)

	::::::::::::::::::::::



then entro wrote:

>and in a year where will they be or maybe fifteen years from now...
>
>on a vh1 "where are they now?" special being ridiculed, prolly either trying
>to do a revival tour or making hats that don't sell...



	::::::::::::::::::::::

	do you know how MUCH money culture club made? i'll take it.

	::::::::::::::::::::::


>
>royalties don't always pay your bills.
>
>whereas jeff mills will still be prolonging his orgasm into a marketable
>superstar
>and prolonging his paycheck doing what he loves to do.
>
>entro



	::::::::::::::::::::::

	what's this ">royalties don't always pay your bills" crap?
	royalties = money...   ...money = bills paid.

	and NOW you're saying that IF OFFERED that jeff mills WOULDN'T
	take tens of thousands OR EVEN millions for a third party
	licensing deal to let someone use one of his trax for an ad,
	or a movie soundtrack? get real.

	being in the "underground" is an outdated concept. if you can
	what you love and STILL get paid to do it, then you'd be fuckin
	nuts (or already rich) NOT to...

	does the fact that fatboy slim's trax are ALL OVER the media/
	tv/ads/movie soundtracks detract from the UNDENIABLE fact that
	the music itself is PURE genius? i think not. it remains some
	of the best music i've EVER heard.

	if you DONT think so - it is your perogative to disagree.
	(even though you'd be horribly WRONG) everyone IS entitled
	to their own opinion. which reminds me of something my dad used
	to say: "opinions are like assholes - everyone's got one."

	...apologies for that LAST comment but my argument remains
	unchanged...

	if ANY of us could make the money - we would

	L8r. kevy kev.

	::::::::::::::::::::::





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On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com wrote:

> << At 02:49 PM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote:
>  >Every action
>  >has an equal
>  >and opposite
>  >reaction. 
>  >Fuck.>>
> 
> why do you say "fuck?"...is it because you finally came to the conclusion that
> what you do has an effect that right back on you? is it because you dread
> being responsible for your actions? im not quite certain on what you are
> stating here as far as the whole FUCK part.....

oh, don't be trying to think about it, because i certainly didn't. i just
found some really old and mostly cheesy shit that i wrote while i was like
17. 

pray that i do not post more. B=}


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> 	take the cash? do YOU even think he has the power to say NO?
> 

remember when pepsi used that 'right now' aerosmith song, well from what i
understand, aerosmith said no and pepsi said they were gonna use it anyway
and that by the time it was all settled in court, the add campaign would
be over and they would prob. have made their money and all.  it isn't
always a choice made by the artist...

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Two bands/people who never took $ for songs, or thier voices or even a little
riff of thier songs...through third peson liscensing or otherwise....
Jane's Addiction
Dead Kennedy's
The only things they made money off of was touring and record sales.
hmmmm
i wouldn't "sell out".  shit man, and me and my fam are on AFDC.
i am fucking irish, so, you all know how stubborn we can be.
I have too much pride and honor to go and let something I created for a selected
few get raped by corporate america and it's sheeplike public.
That is me, and some people would look at the check and go "hmmm, ok, where do i
sign?"
To me selling a track out that i made, or even paintings or whatever thing a
person does that falls under "art" or "music",  would be like selling my daughter
to a child molestor.  I mean shit, where would it stop, you know what i mean?
If  a person was going to give up that easy because the $ was right, wouldn't
there be a price for everything?
think about these things...
Would you let someone cut off your dick for the right amount of cash?
Would you let someone put thier dick in your ass for the right price?
Would you sell your loved one for the right price?
For that matter anything you really and truly cared about, does it have a price?
If it does, does that thing in particular really mean that much to you?



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Yes, I'm fuckin nuts.  This is actually a question of personal morals in
a sense.  I personally would feel better about myself if I wasn't part of
modern pop culture.  I wouldn't want to hear my tracks in the latest
Microsoft commercial.  The amount of money should really make no
difference.	

"being in the "underground" is an outdated concept" - not in my world.

Jake

	Kevy Kev wrote:
	so you're saying that just because the INCREDIBLE music that
	norman cook has created is suddenly the flavor of the month
	for third party licensing, he SHOULD NOT take the money? what
	are you fuckin nuts??!! do you KNOW how much money we're
	PROBABLY talking about HERE? 

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exactly how i feel....

Jake Long wrote:

> Yes, I'm fuckin nuts.  This is actually a question of personal morals in
> a sense.  I personally would feel better about myself if I wasn't part of
> modern pop culture.  I wouldn't want to hear my tracks in the latest
> Microsoft commercial.  The amount of money should really make no
> difference.
>
> "being in the "underground" is an outdated concept" - not in my world.
>
> Jake
>
>         Kevy Kev wrote:
>         so you're saying that just because the INCREDIBLE music that
>         norman cook has created is suddenly the flavor of the month
>         for third party licensing, he SHOULD NOT take the money? what
>         are you fuckin nuts??!! do you KNOW how much money we're
>         PROBABLY talking about HERE?
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	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	j... first of all, take yer ritlin and RELAX...
	count to ten, alright let's look at what we gots here...


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>Two bands/people who never took $ for songs, or thier voices or even a little
>riff of thier songs...through third peson liscensing or otherwise....
>Jane's Addiction
>Dead Kennedy's
>The only things they made money off of was touring and record sales.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	wrong.
	jane's songs are riddled through the powell & peralta
	skateboard demo tapes as well as commercials (and soundtrack
	compilations) for espn's x-games AND in ads for burton
	snowboards...

	as for the d.k's... i'm a LONGtime fan, but i doubt anyone
	has ever offered a third party deal to these cats.
	THEY'D take it if anyone did.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>hmmmm
>i wouldn't "sell out".  shit man, and me and my fam are on AFDC.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	AFDC?


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>i am fucking irish, so, you all know how stubborn we can be.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	yer talkin to anutha one.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

>I have too much pride and honor to go and let something I created for a
>selected
>few get raped by corporate america and it's sheeplike public.



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	understood - but does music that is created and then SOLD to
	the public fall into the realm of something that is created
	for a selected FEW? i think not.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>That is me, and some people would look at the check and go "hmmm, ok,
>where do i sign?" To me selling a track out that i made, or even paintings
>or >whatever thing a person does that falls under "art" or "music",  would
>be like >selling my daughter to a child molestor.



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	*YIKES!* - not QUITE the same i dont think.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>I mean shit, where would it stop, you
>know what i mean? If  a person was going to give up that easy because the
>$ was >right, wouldn't there be a price for everything?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	there usually is.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::



>think about these things...
>Would you let someone cut off your dick for the right amount of cash?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	probably not.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::




>Would you let someone put thier dick in your ass for the right price?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	definetly not.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::




>Would you sell your loved one for the right price?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	depends on if she's acting up or not. kidding... no really.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::




>For that matter anything you really and truly cared about, does it have
>a price? If it does, does that thing in particular really mean
>that much to you?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	of course not. but what we're talking about here is a PRODUCT
	that was manufactured and marketed for PUBLIC comsumption.

	if we were refering to something that ANYONE (creative professional
	or NOT) held near and dear to them, a different set of rules
	would apply.

	i understand where you're coming from but MUSIC that ANYONE puts
	out for sale to the general public does NOT fall into the category
	of something that he/she is trying to keep to and for themselves.

	i guess my MAIN point here is that - he made the music to make
	money, to make a LIVING at CREATING... i do the same thing. aside
	from djing for 13 years i've run my own freelance graphic design
	firm for 8. it's what i LOVE to do. it's how i PAY my BILLS. if
	i happen upon someway of exploiting my talents to increase my
	income, short of losing control of HOW i like to do my work,
	i'll take it.

	that's it...
	rock on norman. i'll be writing out checks for my gas bill.

	L8r.
	kevy kev.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::







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	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	j... first of all, take yer ritlin and RELAX...
	count to ten, alright let's look at what we gots here...


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>Two bands/people who never took $ for songs, or thier voices or even a little
>riff of thier songs...through third peson liscensing or otherwise....
>Jane's Addiction
>Dead Kennedy's
>The only things they made money off of was touring and record sales.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	wrong.
	jane's songs are riddled through the powell & peralta
	skateboard demo tapes as well as commercials (and soundtrack
	compilations) for espn's x-games AND in ads for burton
	snowboards...

	as for the d.k's... i'm a LONGtime fan, but i doubt anyone
	has ever offered a third party deal to these cats.
	THEY'D take it if anyone did.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>hmmmm
>i wouldn't "sell out".  shit man, and me and my fam are on AFDC.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	AFDC?


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>i am fucking irish, so, you all know how stubborn we can be.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	yer talkin to anutha one.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

>I have too much pride and honor to go and let something I created for a
>selected
>few get raped by corporate america and it's sheeplike public.



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	understood - but does music that is created and then SOLD to
	the public fall into the realm of something that is created
	for a selected FEW? i think not.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>That is me, and some people would look at the check and go "hmmm, ok,
>where do i sign?" To me selling a track out that i made, or even paintings
>or >whatever thing a person does that falls under "art" or "music",  would
>be like >selling my daughter to a child molestor.



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	*YIKES!* - not QUITE the same i dont think.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


>I mean shit, where would it stop, you
>know what i mean? If  a person was going to give up that easy because the
>$ was >right, wouldn't there be a price for everything?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	there usually is.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::



>think about these things...
>Would you let someone cut off your dick for the right amount of cash?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	probably not.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::




>Would you let someone put thier dick in your ass for the right price?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	definetly not.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::




>Would you sell your loved one for the right price?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	depends on if she's acting up or not. kidding... no really.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::




>For that matter anything you really and truly cared about, does it have
>a price? If it does, does that thing in particular really mean
>that much to you?



	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


	of course not. but what we're talking about here is a PRODUCT
	that was manufactured and marketed for PUBLIC comsumption.

	if we were refering to something that ANYONE (creative professional
	or NOT) held near and dear to them, a different set of rules
	would apply.

	i understand where you're coming from but MUSIC that ANYONE puts
	out for sale to the general public does NOT fall into the category
	of something that he/she is trying to keep to and for themselves.

	i guess my MAIN point here is that - he made the music to make
	money, to make a LIVING at CREATING... i do the same thing. aside
	from djing for 13 years i've run my own freelance graphic design
	firm for 8. it's what i LOVE to do. it's how i PAY my BILLS. if
	i happen upon someway of exploiting my talents to increase my
	income, short of losing control of HOW i like to do my work,
	i'll take it.

	that's it...
	rock on norman. i'll be writing out checks for my gas bill.

	L8r.
	kevy kev.


	::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::







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i wrote earlier...


	::::::::::::::::::::::


	R.E.M. - turned down multi-millions when microsoft wanted
	to use "end of the world as we know it" to kick off
	windows '95 - and THAT is only because they are so FUCKING
	rich ANYWAY.


	::::::::::::::::::::::


sidenote: i just remembered R.E.M's "end of the world as we know it" WAS
third party licensed for the "tommy boy" soundtrack starring the LATE chris
farley and david spade. seems even michael stipe's integrity can be bought
if the USAGE is right (i seriously DOUBT that they PAID millions).

L8r.
kevy kev.

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REM will also appear in an upcoming episode of Party of Five.

-Chad

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	i wrote earlier...


		::::::::::::::::::::::


		R.E.M. - turned down multi-millions when microsoft wanted
		to use "end of the world as we know it" to kick off
		windows '95 - and THAT is only because they are so FUCKING
		rich ANYWAY.


		::::::::::::::::::::::


	sidenote: i just remembered R.E.M's "end of the world as we know it"
WAS
	third party licensed for the "tommy boy" soundtrack starring the
LATE chris
	farley and david spade. seems even michael stipe's integrity can be
bought
	if the USAGE is right (i seriously DOUBT that they PAID millions).

	L8r.
	kevy kev.

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i lost the original messages... forgive me on that... but my asshole is about
to release an opinion.  and as usual it is to disagree.

pffffft.

<< royalities don't pay bills crap?!?!>>

royalties - if ya get 'em better get em fast. -  someone referred the Steve
Albini article... good thing to check.  but... - i can cite the legal deals...
i have friends involved in major court cases... i've heard the horror
stories... i still myself have yet to see fucking royalties on stuff that i
own 100% of my own publishing on which sold more than enough copies (half of a
josh wink cd's sales)  its roulette.  One of the strategies most artists have
is this:  Get as much cash upfront as possible... because damn sure you ain't
gwan see any of it later on.  hell who knows if the almighty norman cook even
owns the publishing... or if skint gets 75% of these movie royalties... and
how much needs to be paid back for the HUGE ad campaign norman cook had in his
favor to sell records.  I got another scenario which prolly isn't a happy
one... look at cirrus?   how much advertising do we see?  how many records are
actually selling?  how many remixes... how many third parties paid.  you think
that comes for free?  and oh.  VIDEOS?  who pays for that one.  and does
norman cook receive royalties from MTV... no... mtv is absolved.

everything that is used to promote said record... beyond the artist's
controlled is paid for by the artist... through royalties... even if there is
a dinner for mr. norman cook somewhere to discuss the deal made... I'll
GUARANTEE you there is a receipt somewhere tracing back to a reimbursement
against norman cook's royalties.

The phone call to Mancow's show was prolly itemized.

you want to make money...

start a label 
or join the machine.

cinderella stories do not exist... 

those making the cash and holding the power are invisible for a reason.

and about Culture Club:

honestly ... do see boy george as a musical genius at the end of the day?  and
as i remember... he went bankrupt at a time.

entro(23)

i tumble for ya.  I tumble.

for you.

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>>  wrong.
	jane's songs are riddled through the powell & peralta
	skateboard demo tapes as well as commercials (and soundtrack
	compilations) for espn's x-games AND in ads for burton
	snowboards... <<

such as in the case of mtv... most of these companies grab free usage of this
material.  After all, how much money do you have to cash out to pay a lawyer
to have them to cease and desist... espn ALSO does not pay royalties on any
songs clipped together on x-games.  and burton and powell prolly worked out
equipment deals with the band... i.e. free shit.

rule no. 1 - it takes money to get money.  
rule no. 2 - you better have a good fucking lawyer.
rule no. 3 - lawyers cost money.

and lawyers and soulful music really go together.

i guess they do.

entro


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i like money.

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Let's just keep it simple. There is enough of a market in the world
interested in good/quality music. Even if there is no big ad campaign etc.
etc. good music and good artists will be discovered. {But as soon as they
are discovered (as in Fatboy Slims case) everybody in the MW will start
calling them a sell-out (sour grapes is what I think).} 

I seem to recall "Everybody needs a 303" on quite a few compilations about
3-4 years ago. Fatboy Slim garnered a following which lead to a larger
following and then a very successful record - but because it's a success it
must have been conceived in a boardroom, right? I don't think so. There are
a lot of people out there that make music with full artistic integrity and
make a nice living because there are people willing to buy their creations. 

- Chad Sommer

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	>>  wrong.
		jane's songs are riddled through the powell & peralta
		skateboard demo tapes as well as commercials (and soundtrack
		compilations) for espn's x-games AND in ads for burton
		snowboards... <<

	such as in the case of mtv... most of these companies grab free
usage of this
	material.  After all, how much money do you have to cash out to pay
a lawyer
	to have them to cease and desist... espn ALSO does not pay royalties
on any
	songs clipped together on x-games.  and burton and powell prolly
worked out
	equipment deals with the band... i.e. free shit.

	rule no. 1 - it takes money to get money.  
	rule no. 2 - you better have a good fucking lawyer.
	rule no. 3 - lawyers cost money.

	and lawyers and soulful music really go together.

	i guess they do.

	entro

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In a message dated 2/22/99, 4:21:17 PM, chadsommer@upshotmail.com writes:
<<REM will also appear in an upcoming episode of Party of Five.>>

As would Morning shock jock Mancow Mueller. He plays a bar tender.

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Madlove, Sandman, Audio Depot, and Luma have teamed up to support the
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>i wouldn't "sell out".  shit man, and me and my fam are on AFDC.
>i am fucking irish, so, you all know how stubborn we can be.
>I have too much pride and honor to go and let something I created for a
selected
>few get raped by corporate america and it's sheeplike public.
>That is me, and some people would look at the check and go "hmmm, ok, where
do i
>sign?"


I would be asking  WHERE could I sign as well, if they wanted
to purchase what I created, without any request for me to
compromise my art.. where is the virtue in being poor...???

Who gives a fuck who and where they hear the music.. as long as
it stays true to itself (i.e. doesn't bastardize itself for the greater
good of a larger market)..

>To me selling a track out that i made, or even paintings or whatever thing
a
>person does that falls under "art" or "music",  would be like selling my
daughter
>to a child molestor.

People don't sell tracks out.. they sell themselves out.. is this a bad
thing? No.. not at all, as along as some truth to their original goals
are kept (i.e. they sell crap to Pepsi for ads, but keep the real tracks
for themselves)... Who is to say that fatboy slim doesn't write shit
that would make richard james cry, but only releases his fodder
because he wants money (this could be extremely truth if he held
this perception towards selling out that you seem to have).. he
might not feel any need to share what he considers good with you,
because he consider the rest of us to be apart of the "sheep like"
public you mentioned earlier..  I'm not saying I believe any of this..
but I don't know the guy, so I can't say... Getting back to my
original point about tracks not selling out (see top of paragraph)
unless the composition has lyrics that specifically state that
corporate amerikkka is evil and that they would not be apart
of commercialization, how could you consider the work "sold
out"? In the textbook definition, it gets sold out to the corporation,
but how does it loose any integrate? Even if the track had
those lyrical safe guards against corporate ownership I cited
earlier, wouldn't the joke be on the product that the song
accompanied? I'd laugh and pat that artist on the back for getting
a song like that attached to a commercial consumer item..
Same goes for any music I currently respect (mainly because I
consider 98% of what I listen to unmarketable and weird..
ala lekebusch, autechre, aphex, vogel, landstrumm..) as long
as the specific track in question isn't a sanitized version what they
typically produce...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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If i ever get off my ass and get some gear, and made some tracks, i would look at
each track as a child of mine.  That's me, it's wierd but, well shit, maybe i did
too many drugs.

>         as for the d.k's... i'm a LONGtime fan, but i doubt anyone
>         has ever offered a third party deal to these cats.
>         THEY'D take it if anyone did.
>

actually they got offered by Nike or someone like that recently for them to use
Holiday in Cambodia.East Bay Ray is pissed off cuz Jello told Nike or whoever it
was to go fuck themselves. hahahahaah
So East Bay Ray is trying to sue Jello  for the rights to all of DK's songs, so he
can sell them to the highest bidder.  There was interviews with both of them a
couple of months ago in some free music magazine around here (LA).

I was unaware of the Jane's stuff, but I don't watch a whole lot of t.v aside from
the kids in the hall.

>         AFDC?

welfare...well actually we just get food stamps.

>         understood - but does music that is created and then SOLD to
>         the public fall into the realm of something that is created
>         for a selected FEW? i think not.
>

i think there is a target audience.  but in all reality do the majority of artists
in this scene (say like Frankie Bones or 3 D) put an ad in like Rolling Stone for
thier latest record?  That is how i see it, though your point is valid as well.
Once the majority of artists in this scene start advertising events, records,
services, what have you in more mainstream publications, then i would say for sure
that it is more for mass public consumption, and I would no longer say anyone is a
"sell out".

>         of course not. but what we're talking about here is a PRODUCT
>         that was manufactured and marketed for PUBLIC comsumption.
>
>
>
>         i understand where you're coming from but MUSIC that ANYONE puts
>         out for sale to the general public does NOT fall into the category
>         of something that he/she is trying to keep to and for themselves.

point taken

>         i guess my MAIN point here is that - he made the music to make
>         money, to make a LIVING at CREATING... i do the same thing. aside
>         from djing for 13 years i've run my own freelance graphic design
>         firm for 8. it's what i LOVE to do. it's how i PAY my BILLS. if
>         i happen upon someway of exploiting my talents to increase my
>         income, short of losing control of HOW i like to do my work,
>         i'll take it.

yeah i can see that too...I left a lot of places in my line of work cuz they were
not allowing me to do my job as safely as i could.

>         that's it...
>         rock on norman. i'll be writing out checks for my gas bill.
>
>         L8r.
>         kevy kev.
>
>         ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::




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kevy kev wrote:

>         first of all - most likely original copyrights on those
>         recordings are owned by SKINT records in brighton...
>         ...whose JOB it is to get those recordings into the public
>         realm and make norman cook M-O-N-E-Y. all i can say to them
>         is "great fucking job" (not ONE of those songs used were
>         written specifically FOR a soundtrack by the way.)

And that's success...the investors put capital into a product to gain increased
returns from the consumer base. What happened to an artist making music for
people to enjoy listening to? Or is aural stimulation just a by-product of the
industry; a "fringe benefit"?

>         do you know how MUCH money culture club made? i'll take it.
>

And would you rather have the money that culture produced or would you rather be
a part of the culture? (Choose only one...)


>         and NOW you're saying that IF OFFERED that jeff mills WOULDN'T
>         take tens of thousands OR EVEN millions for a third party
>         licensing deal to let someone use one of his trax for an ad,
>         or a movie soundtrack? get real.

If a woman is attractive, and she will only have sex with someone she loves,
would you tell her to get real, too? She could stand to get rich by selling her
services to those with money, but instead she values things like love and respect
more than money, and that is what separates her from a whore.

>         being in the "underground" is an outdated concept. if you can
>         what you love and STILL get paid to do it, then you'd be fuckin
>         nuts (or already rich) NOT to...

Underground may be an outdated term, but the concept will always exist. Music
advances because people experiment with the conventions of sound, and the process
isn't always that pleasant to listen to. It takes time along with the efforts of
different people to forge a new sound into something more universal, and that
can't happen without an underground because those experiments aren't marketable.
Not everyone measures success in dollar signs.

>         does the fact that fatboy slim's trax are ALL OVER the media/
>         tv/ads/movie soundtracks detract from the UNDENIABLE fact that
>         the music itself is PURE genius? i think not. it remains some
>         of the best music i've EVER heard.

It detracts from a song when someone else assigns it's context for you and uses
it as a marketing tool instead of as a song, in the same way that a car is
cheapened as a method of transportation if it's used as a weapon to mow people
down.    If you're making money doing what you love, it does cheapen the activity
because it's no longer purely about the love of that activity. I find fault in a
culture that will pay millions of dollars for someone who can write a catchy tune
and then only give peanuts to the teachers that help shape the minds of those who
will shape our futures.

-John


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My response to this quote is as follows:

haha, you watched "She's all that"!

:)
Ethan
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>No...what bothers me is the fact thet Rockerfella(sp?) Skank is on 2 
movie
>trailers and that Praise Me is on another one. 
>
>Okay, how believable is Usher (R&B singer guy) playing a DJ in the 
movie She's
>All That? Okay, it's slighty believeable. But how believeable is it 
that he
>drops a Fatboy Slim track while the people listening have a special
>choereographed dance? Oh I forgot to mention that this was all done at 
a prom.
>Oh yeah, we all had a special choereographed dance...
>
>P


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score:

kevy kev            jared b
---------------------------------
1                             0


the winner gets 5 million dollars.  unless of course it's jared...he
wouldn't accept it.



-liz
-----Original Message-----
From: kevy kev <kg2@coil.com>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 4:07 PM
Subject: [mw] i guess jared b will NEVER "sell out"...


>
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> j... first of all, take yer ritlin and RELAX...
> count to ten, alright let's look at what we gots here...
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>>Two bands/people who never took $ for songs, or thier voices or even a
little
>>riff of thier songs...through third peson liscensing or otherwise....
>>Jane's Addiction
>>Dead Kennedy's
>>The only things they made money off of was touring and record sales.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> wrong.
> jane's songs are riddled through the powell & peralta
> skateboard demo tapes as well as commercials (and soundtrack
> compilations) for espn's x-games AND in ads for burton
> snowboards...
>
> as for the d.k's... i'm a LONGtime fan, but i doubt anyone
> has ever offered a third party deal to these cats.
> THEY'D take it if anyone did.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>>hmmmm
>>i wouldn't "sell out".  shit man, and me and my fam are on AFDC.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> AFDC?
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>>i am fucking irish, so, you all know how stubborn we can be.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> yer talkin to anutha one.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>>I have too much pride and honor to go and let something I created for a
>>selected
>>few get raped by corporate america and it's sheeplike public.
>
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> understood - but does music that is created and then SOLD to
> the public fall into the realm of something that is created
> for a selected FEW? i think not.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>>That is me, and some people would look at the check and go "hmmm, ok,
>>where do i sign?" To me selling a track out that i made, or even paintings
>>or >whatever thing a person does that falls under "art" or "music",  would
>>be like >selling my daughter to a child molestor.
>
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> *YIKES!* - not QUITE the same i dont think.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>>I mean shit, where would it stop, you
>>know what i mean? If  a person was going to give up that easy because the
>>$ was >right, wouldn't there be a price for everything?
>
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> there usually is.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>
>>think about these things...
>>Would you let someone cut off your dick for the right amount of cash?
>
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> probably not.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>
>
>>Would you let someone put thier dick in your ass for the right price?
>
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> definetly not.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>
>
>>Would you sell your loved one for the right price?
>
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> depends on if she's acting up or not. kidding... no really.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>
>
>>For that matter anything you really and truly cared about, does it have
>>a price? If it does, does that thing in particular really mean
>>that much to you?
>
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> of course not. but what we're talking about here is a PRODUCT
> that was manufactured and marketed for PUBLIC comsumption.
>
> if we were refering to something that ANYONE (creative professional
> or NOT) held near and dear to them, a different set of rules
> would apply.
>
> i understand where you're coming from but MUSIC that ANYONE puts
> out for sale to the general public does NOT fall into the category
> of something that he/she is trying to keep to and for themselves.
>
> i guess my MAIN point here is that - he made the music to make
> money, to make a LIVING at CREATING... i do the same thing. aside
> from djing for 13 years i've run my own freelance graphic design
> firm for 8. it's what i LOVE to do. it's how i PAY my BILLS. if
> i happen upon someway of exploiting my talents to increase my
> income, short of losing control of HOW i like to do my work,
> i'll take it.
>
> that's it...
> rock on norman. i'll be writing out checks for my gas bill.
>
> L8r.
> kevy kev.
>
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>
>
>
>


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 The Meaning Of Life
    A Goodfellaz Gathering
    Nashville, Tennessee
    March 6th, 1999 A.D.
    25$ at the door, $20 with a pre-party ticket stub
    Marathon Village  1305 Clinton Avenue
    
    Terrance Parker - Intangible Records, Detroit
    Scott Henry - Fever Buzz, Baltimore
    Space Girl - EDM Records, Russia, NYC
    Swamp - '97-'98 DMC Champ - L.A.
    Shortkutt - Invisible Skratch Piklz - San Fran
    DJ Lars - MTV's RealWorld, Berlin, NYC
    Samm-e, Roll-x, Ulysis - 4 turntable tag team, Atlanta
    Trevor Lamont - Soul Society/God's House, KY
    6 Tuntable Exibition - Flagrant, Blue and Ginsu on 6 Tuntables!!!!!!!
    Dorian - C.E.O. Goodfellaz Midwest
    Ashley Powers - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
    Lovebomb - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
    Taeo - St. Louis
    Soundcat - C.A.A., Cincy
    Egon - 91.1 WRVU Nashville
    Blue and Ginsu - Hip Hop Freaky Nikky
    Jadin - Nashville
    Quaid - P.M. Crew, Nashville
    Flagrant - Goodfellaz, Nashville
    Spoon - Lil' Diva, Nashville
    Flex - Sky Baby, NYC
    Matthew (aka DJ Bam Bam) - U.M.A., Goodfellaz, Lil Diva, Nashville
   
    Info-lines: 615-817-6869 and 615-271-9468
   Friday March 5th Pre-Party for The Meaning Of Life
   A Goodfellaz Gathering
   
   Terry Mullen - Catalyst, Chicago
   Cyberjive - Dustraxx, New Orleans House Project
   X-ian - C.B.S., Cincy
   Brad Robinson - San Fran
   Jamin - NYC
   MKII And Dorian - Special ambient jungle tag team
   Roger - Atlanta
Jeremy - Atlanta
   
   Call info-line for pre-party location  
   Attendance to the Pre-Party will give you a discount at the main event!!
 
   After Party to be thrown by Last Minute Productions 4:19
   
   Vendors aer all welcome but you MUST call the info line and let us know at
least 2      days before the main event
    
    This will be a VERY special event
    There will be 4 MAIN ROOMS at this event
    Attendance to the pre-party will give you a discount at the main event
    
   Directions: Get on I-40 heading to downtown Nashville.
                    Get off at Church/Charlotte.
                    Go East on Charlotte Ave.
                    Then turn left on 11th Avenue
                    Clinton Avenue is on your left
    
    
    
   
 
 >>

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well said .....

John Hastie wrote:

> kevy kev wrote:
>
> >         first of all - most likely original copyrights on those
> >         recordings are owned by SKINT records in brighton...
> >         ...whose JOB it is to get those recordings into the public
> >         realm and make norman cook M-O-N-E-Y. all i can say to them
> >         is "great fucking job" (not ONE of those songs used were
> >         written specifically FOR a soundtrack by the way.)
>
> And that's success...the investors put capital into a product to gain increased
> returns from the consumer base. What happened to an artist making music for
> people to enjoy listening to? Or is aural stimulation just a by-product of the
> industry; a "fringe benefit"?
>
> >         do you know how MUCH money culture club made? i'll take it.
> >
>
> And would you rather have the money that culture produced or would you rather be
> a part of the culture? (Choose only one...)
>
> >         and NOW you're saying that IF OFFERED that jeff mills WOULDN'T
> >         take tens of thousands OR EVEN millions for a third party
> >         licensing deal to let someone use one of his trax for an ad,
> >         or a movie soundtrack? get real.
>
> If a woman is attractive, and she will only have sex with someone she loves,
> would you tell her to get real, too? She could stand to get rich by selling her
> services to those with money, but instead she values things like love and respect
> more than money, and that is what separates her from a whore.
>
> >         being in the "underground" is an outdated concept. if you can
> >         what you love and STILL get paid to do it, then you'd be fuckin
> >         nuts (or already rich) NOT to...
>
> Underground may be an outdated term, but the concept will always exist. Music
> advances because people experiment with the conventions of sound, and the process
> isn't always that pleasant to listen to. It takes time along with the efforts of
> different people to forge a new sound into something more universal, and that
> can't happen without an underground because those experiments aren't marketable.
> Not everyone measures success in dollar signs.
>
> >         does the fact that fatboy slim's trax are ALL OVER the media/
> >         tv/ads/movie soundtracks detract from the UNDENIABLE fact that
> >         the music itself is PURE genius? i think not. it remains some
> >         of the best music i've EVER heard.
>
> It detracts from a song when someone else assigns it's context for you and uses
> it as a marketing tool instead of as a song, in the same way that a car is
> cheapened as a method of transportation if it's used as a weapon to mow people
> down.    If you're making money doing what you love, it does cheapen the activity
> because it's no longer purely about the love of that activity. I find fault in a
> culture that will pay millions of dollars for someone who can write a catchy tune
> and then only give peanuts to the teachers that help shape the minds of those who
> will shape our futures.
>
> -John




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In a message dated 2/22/99, 5:30:48 PM, bondseer@hotmail.com writes:
<<My response to this quote is as follows:

haha, you watched "She's all that"!
>>
 Hey now... It wasn't my choice. I have a girlfriend and she wanted to see the
movie.

Say...anybody out there ever see a MAX HARDCORE video?

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This is totally unrelated to the majority of the post (which was rad as 
hell, like many of entro's posts) but this reminds me somehow of a 
couple years back (like 2 or3 i guess) when KMFDM was in every movie of 
the year, especially Juke Joint Jezebel.  I mean I dig KMFDM, at least 
one disc is always in my car just incase I feel the need, but you know 
it was amusing seeing soundtracks and your local Sam Goody superstore 
and realizing that 3 out of 4 releases from that year had KMFDM on them.  
I guess there've been songs like that all the time, I suppose I only 
notice them when i think the songs are relatively decent.

Ethan
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>
>At the end of the day.  Fatboy Slim is represented in every movie 
trailer
>these days. 
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 The Meaning Of Life
    A Goodfellaz Gathering
    Nashville, Tennessee
    March 6th, 1999 A.D.
    25$ at the door, $20 with a pre-party ticket stub
    Marathon Village  1305 Clinton Avenue
    
    Terrance Parker - Intangible Records, Detroit
    Scott Henry - Fever Buzz, Baltimore
    Space Girl - EDM Records, Russia, NYC
    Swamp - '97-'98 DMC Champ - L.A.
    Shortkutt - Invisible Skratch Piklz - San Fran
    DJ Lars - MTV's RealWorld, Berlin, NYC
    Samm-e, Roll-x, Ulysis - 4 turntable tag team, Atlanta
    Trevor Lamont - Soul Society/God's House, KY
    6 Tuntable Exibition - Flagrant, Blue and Ginsu on 6 Tuntables!!!!!!!
    Dorian - C.E.O. Goodfellaz Midwest
    Ashley Powers - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
    Lovebomb - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
Flex - Sky Baby, NYC
    Taeo - St. Louis
    Soundcat - C.A.A., Cincy
    Egon - 91.1 WRVU Nashville
    Blue and Ginsu - Hip Hop Freaky Nikky
    Jadin - Nashville
    Quaid - P.M. Crew, Nashville
    Flagrant - Goodfellaz, Nashville
    Spoon - Lil' Diva, Nashville
        Matthew (aka DJ Bam Bam) - U.M.A., Goodfellaz, Lil Diva, Nashville
   
    Info-lines: 615-817-6869 and 615-271-9468
   Friday March 5th Pre-Party for The Meaning Of Life
   A Goodfellaz Gathering
   
   Terry Mullen - Catalyst, Chicago
   Cyberjive - Dustraxx, New Orleans House Project
   X-ian - C.B.S., Cincy
   Brad Robinson - San Fran
   Jamin - NYC
   MKII And Dorian - Special ambient jungle tag team
   Roger - Atlanta
 Jeremy - Atlanta
   
   Call info-line for pre-party location  
   Attendance to the Pre-Party will give you a discount at the main event!!
 
   After Party to be thrown by Last Minute Productions 4:19
   
   Vendors aer all welcome but you MUST call the info line and let us know at
least 2      days before the main event
    
    This will be a VERY special event
    There will be 4 MAIN ROOMS at this event
    Attendance to the pre-party will give you a discount at the main event
    
   Directions: Get on I-40 heading to downtown Nashville.
                    Get off at Church/Charlotte.
                    Go East on Charlotte Ave.
                    Then turn left on 11th Avenue
                    Clinton Avenue is on your left
    
    
    
   
 
 

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I first mentioned that Fatboyslim had tracks in three movies. It was just
annoying to see that Rockerfella Skank track in two movies. I have no problems
with artist making a toon and having it used in a commercial or a movie or
being played on the radio. So big whoop. Orb's Little Fluffy Clouds was used
in a Volkswagon ad, Ministry's Everyday is Halloween is used in a beer
commercial and so on. A good song is a good song... can we just let the artist
do thier thing... YEEESH!!

Next subject: Could promoters stop throwing events for a month just so ravers
will start to appreciate events again?

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"end of the world" also was played in the opening scene of ID4, not that 
that's relevant,but it seemed to be nice knowledge.

Ethan <=--wishes he had a macro to write this stuff out at the end.
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>
>REM will also appear in an upcoming episode of Party of Five.
>
>-Chad
>
>	-----Original Message-----
>	From:	kevy kev [SMTP:kg2@coil.com]
>	Sent:	Monday, February 22, 1999 10:20 AM
>	To:	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>	Subject:	[mw] "sell-out" side note...
>
>
>
>	i wrote earlier...
>
>
>		::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>		R.E.M. - turned down multi-millions when microsoft wanted
>		to use "end of the world as we know it" to kick off
>		windows '95 - and THAT is only because they are so FUCKING
>		rich ANYWAY.
>
>
>		::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>	sidenote: i just remembered R.E.M's "end of the world as we know it"
>WAS
>	third party licensed for the "tommy boy" soundtrack starring the
>LATE chris
>	farley and david spade. seems even michael stipe's integrity can be
>bought
>	if the USAGE is right (i seriously DOUBT that they PAID millions).
>
>	L8r.
>	kevy kev.


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flip! & ultra-omega present:

on Friday, April 2, 1999:

[pi]

with DJs:

James Christian: New York / Cleveland. Caffeine, Nervous, Eightball
Records, Strictly Rhythm. One of the originators of the hard house sound,
this legendary DJ and producer is making a rare midwest appearance. Don't
miss it.

Halo: Chicago. Sm:)e, Moody, Subliminal, Teamsters. It's been over a year
since his last area performance, and he's so damn good we couldn't wait
any longer to bring him back.

Hardtimes: Memphis. Solid State. Jungle is good for you, and we have this
up-and-coming Memphis DJ to prove it.

Mark Almaria: Chicago. IHR, ABS. One of Chicago's top DJs, he laid down an
impressive set at PLUR '99 and we're bringing him back for more.

Dan Deliverance: Delaware / Kansas City. Integrated Records. Originally
from the East Coast, his move to the area has given us a truly stellar
techno DJ.

Stan Doublin: St. Louis. Kindred Groove, FUNK Enterprises. A rising
midwest star, we are happy to bring Stan here for his first Kansas City
appearance.

DJ Lee : Omaha.
n.9 : Lawrence.
DJ True : Kansas City.
Pat Nice : Kansas City.
THC : Omaha.
DJ Kidd : Kansas City.
Zach Church : Lincoln.
Johnny Chavez : Kansas City.

---

This will be a full-scale event featuring:

Video by Jason12, fully intelligent lighting, and a multi-color,
multi-beam, multi-watt argon laser that will absolutely blow your mind.

Clear, full and loud digital JBL sound by Digital Sound Systems. (Remember
Migration?)

A comfortable, beautiful and never-before-used venue.

Tape booth and smart bar by Untranslatable Concepts of Chicago.

Come early, the music begins at 9pm and this is a limited-capacity venue.

Admission is $13 with a canned food donation for the homeless. As always,
respect yourself and others - this is an alcohol-free, drug-free and
peaceful event so we can come together and enjoy the music. 

REMEMBER! THIS IS ON A FRIDAY!

Main info lines: 
816.545.4402
785.691.1171

Support lines:
St. Louis: Kindred Groove: 314.351.4051
Iowa: Subconscious Collective: 515.239.4683
Lincoln/Omaha: Phul Phunk: 402.467.9142
Chicago: Untranslatable: 312.329.6126

Directions will be posted Thursday, April 1 on mw-raves and will be
available on the info lines Friday.

peace!
andrew
flip! / syceda rhythm


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all you people must be rich not to want money for what you do. 

you can always make 'art'. if it pays the bills, so much the better.

andy warhol is my hero.


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This may be true in some regards, and I don't pretend to be any Fatboy 
Slim scholar, but I'm sure having an MTV buzz clip and being picked up 
by the major network 'alternative' stations helped his record sales just 
a bit.  yes the Underground following might have sold enough records to 
be able to afford to make another one soon after, but it wouldn't have 
given him the success to be doing guest shots on Mancow and various MTV 
shows, or given him the ability to crowd venues like he does now.

Ethan
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>I seem to recall "Everybody needs a 303" on quite a few compilations 
about
>3-4 years ago. Fatboy Slim garnered a following which lead to a larger
>following and then a very successful record - but because it's a 
success it
>must have been conceived in a boardroom, right? I don't think so. There 
are
>a lot of people out there that make music with full artistic integrity 
and
>make a nice living because there are people willing to buy their 
creations. 
>
>- Chad Sommer
>
>	-----Original Message-----
>	From:	Kidentropy@aol.com [SMTP:Kidentropy@aol.com]
>	Sent:	Monday, February 22, 1999 4:30 PM
>	To:	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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>
>	>>  wrong.
>		jane's songs are riddled through the powell & peralta
>		skateboard demo tapes as well as commercials (and soundtrack
>		compilations) for espn's x-games AND in ads for burton
>		snowboards... <<
>
>	such as in the case of mtv... most of these companies grab free
>usage of this
>	material.  After all, how much money do you have to cash out to pay
>a lawyer
>	to have them to cease and desist... espn ALSO does not pay royalties
>on any
>	songs clipped together on x-games.  and burton and powell prolly
>worked out
>	equipment deals with the band... i.e. free shit.
>
>	rule no. 1 - it takes money to get money.  
>	rule no. 2 - you better have a good fucking lawyer.
>	rule no. 3 - lawyers cost money.
>
>	and lawyers and soulful music really go together.
>
>	i guess they do.
>
>	entro


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Hah! this thread comes full circle.. back to Mancow!

that amuses me

Ethan
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>In a message dated 2/22/99, 4:21:17 PM, chadsommer@upshotmail.com 
writes:
><<REM will also appear in an upcoming episode of Party of Five.>>
>
>As would Morning shock jock Mancow Mueller. He plays a bar tender.
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> Even if there is no big ad campaign etc. etc. good music and good artists will
> be discovered. {But as soon as they are discovered (as in Fatboy Slims case)
> everybody in the MW will start calling them a sell-out (sour grapes is what I
> think).}

Fatboy Slim has been around a lot longer than most people know... (see below)

> I seem to recall "Everybody needs a 303" on quite a few compilations about
> 3-4 years ago. Fatboy Slim garnered a following which lead to a larger
> following and then a very successful record - but because it's a success it
> must have been conceived in a boardroom, right? I don't think so. There are
> a lot of people out there that make music with full artistic integrity and
> make a nice living because there are people willing to buy their creations.

and he probably made good coin off Pizzaman and Mighty Dub Kats (a couple of his
other projects)... not to mention that he may still be getting cash from stuff
cut during his Housemartins and Beats International days...  I kinda think his
music is annoying, but I saw an interview with him a while ago that made me
think he's probably a decent guy under it all...
he basically came out and said that he doesn't make underground music... he said
he'd like to make underground music, but he's never able to resist the
temptation to throw in a hook to make it pop.
Now if he'd been quoted in interviews saying "I'm underground and I'm gonna stay
underground forever" and then went on to do what he's done then he'd have sold
out... but I've never seen any evidence that he has (Prodigy on the other
hand... haha.. see interview in Massive #9 for the punchline to that joke).

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Hey my name is Chris, better known as Stumpy.  I just moved back from tx
to ky and subscribed to the list.  So i thought i would just e-mail n
say wuzzup.
Peaz,
Stumpy


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ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
- uh Joe
In a message dated 2/22/99 6:33:14 PM Central Standard Time,
csf6994@tamug.tamu.edu writes:

> Hey my name is Chris, better known as Stumpy.

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> 
>  honestly ... do see boy george as a musical genius at the end of the day?  
> and
>  as i remember... he went bankrupt at a time.

in a somewhat unlrealted note..
i remember reading DJ magazine a while ago.. when they do the top 100 djs
thing..
it was actually really interesting.. it provided a history on the dj, their
style.. etc.  and boy george was on their someplace.  I think he spins deep
house, i'm not sure.. but he's supposed to be pretty good.  he's doing well, i
guess.. and norman cook was on there also.  I'll try and dig up the issue from
ma room to see what #s they were.  Carl Cox was #1, of course..

-charles-

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I've seen Boy George spin a number of times and he is actually not that
stellar.  He is basically a product of the Ministry of Sound (the
superclub with unbelieveable marketing in London).  He's okay --
definitely more style than substance....zAcH

Zach Rieken
University of Missouri-Columbia
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 23 01:17:27 1999
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what what what?    Ministry's "everyday is halloween" in a beer
comercial???!?!?!/!/1
oh my goth....
that's it!
I'm burning my glow in the dark rosary, giving my older sister her lace dress
back, going to go out and by some shoes that don't look like pilgrim shoes, and
use my fishnet tights to go fishing with.
Shit, then i have to burn my Ipso Facto catalog, cuz they carry Ministry
stickers.....
Fuck.....
man....
despair....
oh, my, suicide attempt wounds are opening up again.....>:-(=    <~~~sad vampire.
gloom...
it's shopping time again...
looks like i better go get some sun...
ack...

>  Ministry's Everyday is Halloween is used in a beer
> commercial and so on. A good song is a good song... can we just let the artist
> do thier thing... YEEESH!!
>
> Next subject: Could promoters stop throwing events for a month just so ravers
> will start to appreciate events again?




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The Ravedata Team wrote:

> Hi!
>
> You recently posted the event review (below) on the mailing list.  I was
> wondering if it would be ok if we included it on Ravedata
> [http://www.ravedata.com/ ]
> We have recently added the code taht enables us to add event reviews and
> party pictures and are looking forward to adding many in the near future.
> Please let me know if this is ok.  Thanks so much!

Uhh.. it wasn't exactly recently, but sure.  :)



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I'd sell my mom for a dollar.

But I'd never sell my music.

And you'd never buy it.

matt


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this is my sort-of-review of snowed*in. it's kind of fragmented. i
drove there directly from work + got there at about 1:15. there wasn't
any place to change my clothes when i left + i was in a hurry + didn't
want to miss anything. so for a short time i was probably the best
dressed (and most unusually dressed) person there (in a suit + oxford
shoes). but there wasn't anyplace to change my clothes in the party,
so i just changed them in that blue hallway. the space looked really
cool with all these little rooms + hallways + decorations. i ended up
missing the begginning of practically everybody's set, but i saw
titonton tagteaming with somebody else, they were doing lots of cool
tricks. brian gillespie was spinning some crazy funky electro, heckle
+ jeckle (paris + billebob) were spinning about everything under the
sun (minimal techno + house, chicago house, techstep, etc.) they had a
few problems with mixing but it still sounded good. i talked to paris
+ he said they were having an off night. i told him i had been looking
for tapes by them for 3 years + never found any + he said he'd send me
one! =] titonton was spinning some weird downtempo stuff like trip-hop
in the other room at that time, very uncharacteristic of him i
thought, but appropriate for the chill room area that the music
filtered over to. somebody i talked to said that room was like a
harem. it kind of was with all the people making out, doing coke,
lying all over each other, + giving them backrubs. pretty weird. all
it needed was servants with palm fans, and some belly dancers. *haha*
then i went in the main room to hear shiva + somebody was smoking some
kind kind buds in there, you couldn't get away from this intense
smoke. so i started feeling sick (maybe i've developed an allergy to
marijuana, or completely lost what little tolerance i had). then i sat
down + kept feeling worse + finally i went in the other room + laid
down on this table. i tried to get up later + couldn't move. somebody
helped me up + i couldn't walk i kept falling down. i don't remember
too much of what happened after that except i couldn't focus my eyes +
had to think just to blink them or swallow + i was freezing cold +
people were carrying me + asking me lots of questions. then i must
have passed out on this couch + i woke up after the party was over
feeling more sober but still shitty with a massive headache. i think
my water was laced. maybe with ghb. i've never done it before so i
don't know what it's supposed to feel like except it makes you drunk.
i know i didn't knowingly take any drugs the whole night; nobody gave
me anything + i was broke anyway. when i could walk straight forward +
backwards i figured it was time to try to go to work. i was an hour
late but that wasn't too important. then when i got up today, i
thought i'd be better but now i feel like i've got a cold + the flu at
the same time. i drove down to bent crayon records since i wanted to
drop off these exordium flyers + got lost because of the bridge out on
detroit + the detour, then when i found it, it was closed. then i
ended up downtown + was trying to get home + missed the onramp + got
stuck in traffic on a one way dead end street. this is really a bad day.
-elias
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(i recommend seeing it while candy-flipping, =] if you're into that
sort of thing. if not, then see it sober.)
from the cleveland plain dealer:

'Fantasia 2000' to invade Imax theaters in January

  "Fantasia 2000," the crown jewel of Disney animation will have an
exclusive four-month run in Imax theater around the world from Jan.
1-April 30, 2000. The release of the animated film in at least 100
Imax theaters, with their eight-story screens, will follow a
five-city, live orchestra backed tour of the film in December. That
tour will hit Los Angeles, New York, Paris, London, and Tokyo.
  The 90-minute film will be the first theatrical, full-length feature
to be reformatted into Imax's film format. "Fantasia 2000" will use
three segments from Disney's original 1940 production "Fantasia," a
groundbreaking film that married music and animated images. The new
version will include six new segments, which Disney animators have
worked on for the past 12 years.
  Disney will launch "Fantasia 2000" on Dec. 17 with a world premiere
in New York's Carnegie Hall. James Levine will conduct the 120-piece
London Philharmonic Orchestra that will play the soundtrack live in
sync with the film's animated imagery.




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were getting snow
WAX YOUR BOARDS

im heading to the slopes

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E X O R D I U M

Saturday April 10th 1999  Columbus Ohio
*pre-flyer 2

ROBERT HOOD  Detroit      
M-plant, Axis Records

BOO WILLIAMS  Chicago
Strictly Jazz Unit, Guidance

DAN CURTIN  Cleveland
Metamorphic, Peacefrog

MORGAN GEIST  New Jersey
Environ, Fragmented

THOMAS JAMES  Columbus
Residual, World Record

DANNY THE WILDCHILD  Chicago
Canvas, Forte' Records

TITONTON DUVANTE'  Columbus
Residual, Metamorphic

TREVOR LAMONT  Lexington
Teamsters, Soul Society

STEFAN MANCEAU  France
*BB

Haiku and (614) 470-3574
Down Deep (614) 470-4916



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jared b griffith <djnickel@earthlink.net> said:

>what what what?    Ministry's "everyday is halloween" in a beer
>comercial???!?!?!/!/1
>oh my goth....

But the funny thing is that the early Ministry stuff  (ie, With Sympathy)
was complete reactionary sell-out garbage that was produced in response to,
and to compete with the 'new wave' invasion by the europeans.  Al
Jourgenson freely admits it!

Then he escaped.

The Crash and Burn remix on the Twitch CD is amazing, I still love that
track.  The Land of Rape and Honey is classic.  So is my copy of With
Sympathy on vinyl.  heh.





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.    >
                                               <randomly stimulating>
		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >



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>Would you let someone cut off your dick for the right amount of cash?
>Would you let someone put thier dick in your ass for the right price?
>Would you sell your loved one for the right price?

Yes to all.....I love money!!!!!
Cash rules everything around me "CREAM"! Grab tha money......

Thouthan dolla bill yall!!!!
 
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

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>	if ANY of us could make the money - we would
>
>	L8r. kevy kev.

Very good point......but hey......CALM DOWN ON THA ANGER!!!!!!

Yer gonna end up puttin' someone's eye out!!!!

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	Some has WAY too much time on there hands
                to put little dots and paragraphs that are spaced like 
                this!!!!  (wait, I just did it!!!!) 


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In a message dated 2/22/99 5:50:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jp@art.uwstout.edu writes:

<< jared b griffith <djnickel@earthlink.net> said:
 
 >what what what?    Ministry's "everyday is halloween" in a beer
 >comercial???!?!?!/!/1
 >oh my goth.... >>

don't forget massive attack.

entro


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I caught a Real Audio set of Boy George in Tokyo a couple years ago...it
wasn't bad at all for being house :p  Plus the crowd was going NUTS.

fergus :)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My mind is going...	
     I can feel it...
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Who gives a fuck! shut up!

- Jens.


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Have you eve5r just want to hit someone for no reason? Or just want to get
down and dirty right there and then ?

Just some one my thinking 

~ Tom ~

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hello all

There is a new mixtape out from myself (aka dj Skywarp)
entitled Sector 7G.

It's mainly dark jungle with a lot of warpy basslines,
some atmospheric stuff, & more Ed Rush & Optical than you
can shake a stick at.

If you want a copy, you can mail me a check for three
dollars sice I can't afford to give them out for
free (hit me back for my address if you're interested).

Or if you're in the Milwaukee area you can pick one up at
Massive Record Source at 2844 N. Oakland.

I will, however, send you a free copy if you can
tell me where my alias & the title of my tape come
from (hint: they're both from animated series).

Russ

-----------------------------------
track listing is as follows:
 

side A

1.Ed Rush/ Optical- Wormhole
2.Sniper feat. MC GQ- Dubplate Pressure rmx.
3.Ed Rush/ Optical- Splinter
4.Titan- The Others
5.Trace- Sphere
6.Ed Rush/ Optical/ Fierce- Cutslo
7.Sappo/ Tripwire- Fusion
8.Fortran- Search
9.Sniper feat. MC GQ- Roulette
10.Sandman- Purity
11.Optical- Moving 808's


side B

1.Panacea- Reality
2.Cybotron feat. Dillinja- Revelations
3.SOS.com- promo ?
4.Rayman vs. Tyrell- Tyrell Valta Roa rmx.
5.John B.- Travelogue rmx.
6.Stakka/ K.Tee- Titanium
7.Ed Rush/ Optical- Mystery Machine
8.Trace- Sonar
9.Evil 6- Spook
10.Elite Sounds- Pulse
11.Heinrich at Hart- Attackship on Fire


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In a message dated 2/22/99 7:43:31 PM Central Standard Time, hypo303@juno.com
writes:

<< were getting snow
 WAX YOUR BOARDS

yeah, maybe if mine hadn't been stolen...  :P   *sob*
 
 im heading to the slopes >>

No need for bragging!  j/k.  Lucky guy.  I hate rentals...


Still Bitter About Her Missing Child-
Jen!

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I have a few mix CDs with Boy George mixing (all from Ministry of Sound).
He's not bad, the mixing's quite good and the track selection is fair.
Although, I tend to get bored if I'm not in the right mood for it. I'm
usually really into house, but for some reason, his sets just don't do it
for me.

-ben

> I caught a Real Audio set of Boy George in Tokyo a couple years ago...it
> wasn't bad at all for being house :p  Plus the crowd was going NUTS.

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http://olaris.radiodistortion.com

short stories and poetry
http://www.musicalweb.com



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>Who gives a fuck! shut up!


probably the people who are actually lending productive viewpoints
to this thread.. just a shot in the dark though, I might be wrong..

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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Just to let everyone know (even though I'm not an everyday "post-er") that
I'll be unsubscribing and re-subscribing at a new address.  In the
meantime, in case anybody needs to get ahold of me, my new address is:
akalish@hotmail.com
It might take a little while to kick in.
Sugar,
Andrea


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In a message dated 2/22/99 8:39:44 PM Central Standard Time,
ICONKILLER@aol.com writes:

<< Have you eve5r just want to hit someone for no reason? Or just want to get
 down and dirty right there and then ?
 
 Just some one my thinking 
 
 ~ Tom ~
  >>


Well, sometimes I run into these idiots who cannot even form
complete sentences, or lack any ability to have creative thought.
I help people like that get online all day long and sometimes id LOVE
to hit them, not that IM thinking of anyone in particular or anything.

Its just something I was thinking, er thinging is it>?


CR

jerk


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Q:  You know what I love?

A:  When you hand a flier to someone at a party and they smile and say,
"Thank You!!!"

Fuck all those people who tell me they've already got 10 of them when
I'm the first one handing them out.

Mage


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From: "Tracy J Koogler" <KOOG@prodigy.net>
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Hey kids,

Wow, it's been a long time since I've posted.

First of all, a question...I was digging thru some old tapes last night,
it's insane what you come across!  Anyways, I found my Terry Mullen New
Skool Fusion II tape and was wondering if anyone knew when this was actually
made?

Secondly, my new job allows me to listen to music constantly (woohoo!)..so
I've been digging thru all my tapes...and although I do have quite a few I
don't have some that I would like to.  What I'm looking for is basically
anything that is gabber, hh, dark or jump up dnb, and trance.  I am more
than willing copy some of my tapes for anyone interested or send money for
postage and the cost of the tape.  Anyone up for that?  I guess you should
reply privately.

Koog
TJ Koogler
koog@prodigy.net
ICQ # 31095731




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> Q:  You know what I love?
>  
>  A:  When you hand a flier to someone at a party and they smile and say,
>  "Thank You!!!"
>  
>  Fuck all those people who tell me they've already got 10 of them when
>  I'm the first one handing them out.

word.  i know exactly what you mean.. i try and be really nice to flyer
people, because i know how boring and obnoxious it gets at times.
Also, on a somewhat related note, i noticed that if you walk around a partie
with a big smile on your face (not like, drugged out smile, but like, you
know.. a normal smile) a lot more people will talk to you and what not..
that's what i've experienced.  haha. ok.

-charles-

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Feb 23 04:03:35 1999
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In a message dated 2/19/99 7:26:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, trunk666@juno.com
writes:

> I know I'm gonna get flack, but......
>  
>  To the girl ya say: "Now yer my ex girl, 'cuz I'm straight wit da next
>  girl"
>  To the guy ya say: "Don't put a hoe b-4 the homies".
>  
>  I just love it when I get in a "ghetto" mood.......


better sais as "Bro'z B4 Hoe'z"

just sounds cooler 
gabrielizm

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In a message dated 2/19/99 8:56:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
michael@hardcorps.org writes:

> "fuck" is a great word.
>  
>  anyone interested in learning to curse more effectively should pick up the
>  book "english as a second fucking language" by sterling johnson.  here's an
>  excerpt:


it actually stands for   Fornication. Under. Carnal. Knowledge.
dont ask me how i know but i do 


GabrieL

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> 	as for the d.k's... i'm a LONGtime fan, but i doubt anyone
>  	has ever offered a third party deal to these cats.
>  	THEY'D take it if anyone did.

i dunno about that.

ya think jello would take a deal if Miller Genuine Draft offered him a large
sum of money?  how about a small sum of money?  say $50?

i guess my point is.. it depends on the product.  i don't think DKs would sell
themselves like that, unless they were for the cause.

but hey, i've been wrong before!
jon/dica

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these quotes from norman himself were in urb a few months back.  i submit
them because it would seem that he is purposefully making his music a
certain way so that he can live a specific way.  and with the whole money
thing, it'd be horribly wrong if..


'fatboy slim is the one with the most ludicrous excess.  he's the one who
drinks the most and takes the most drugs, and if he has an idea, he always
goes too far with it.  if he's doing a build, it always has to be eight
bars longer than you really expected it or wanted it.  absolutely no
subtlety or depth whatsoever.'

'i'm playing around the world, doing the thing that i love, getting paid
for it, getting laid and getting to do it the way i want it.  it's perfect.
 i am living a dream and it would be horribly wrong of me if i didn't enjoy
it.'


keeping independent of the indie-corporate issue,

{xenon}


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tonight @ midnight syntax presents synthesis

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> Fornication. Under. Carnal. Knowledge.

actually, it originally stood for "Fornication Under Command of the King."  it
was a note posted on doors when the black plague was going around, for healthy
folks to reproduce so humanity didn't die off.

van halen did not make the acronym up.   :P

so fuck you!  :)
jd

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On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 SiteRep078@aol.com wrote:

> > Fornication. Under. Carnal. Knowledge.
> 
> actually, it originally stood for "Fornication Under Command of the King."  it
> was a note posted on doors when the black plague was going around, for healthy
> folks to reproduce so humanity didn't die off.

its GOOD to be the king


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how was the party?  
was it good?  did you meet any fun net-ravers?   or just... random ravers out
of the blue?
get any braclets?  =)


have a nice day
~n






 where there are ~0o0o0bubbles0o0o0~ there are sm:)es

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There's a ton o' loot to be made in a product that has "commercial
appeal", and we are a world of consumers and greedy large corporate
entities that want our $$$.

having said that, does anyone know what the deal is with mtv's amp &
astralwerks??  I was at this (stupid) girl's apartment once and i asked
what cd was playing.  To my dismay it was Amp 2 or something and to my
-horror- it had the astralwerks logo on it.  I mean, I guess it's my
fault for not keeping up-to-date with these things, but a few years ago
(96?) I was up on astralwerks, mostly 'cuz of Will Web.  

Now, I recently go to the astalwerks website 2 see what was up with that
cd, and they don't mention anything really about Will Web or Stacie
Pullen or anyone like that -- the site seems to promote the mainstream
and to be dedicated to Fatboy Slim and Chemical Bro.s (who didn't used to
be so "big", if you recall) and has this mad link to Amp, and all I can
think is that they've got this evil union to get these 'artists'  to be
embraced by the masses in an effort to market this ....teeeeechno.....
commercially and make maaaad loot in the process.

A long time ago we had a debate on mw-raves about mtv/Amp, and though
some may argue that it's "nice" of mtv to want to showcase a little bit
of our scene and the music but from what I've heard the geeks on there
can't even beatmatch and after checking out the Amp website it only
confirmed the suspicions I originally had:  they think that "techno" is
gonna be the next big thing, they want it to be the next big thing so
they're trying to market it, and they want to capitalize off of it and
don't care if they blow a [semi-] underground scene into the mainstream
in the process.  Do they have visions of it being huge here like it is in
europe??  Sponsored by huge and money-hungry corporations like Walt
Disney or some shit??  Parties have already changed -alot-.  Do you think
eventually it will get to the point where the scene will divide and there
will be the "mainstream" one and then the "underground"?  Where
"sell-outs" like Fatboy Slim and people that fail to beatmatch
(unbeknownst to those untrained ears) play at the mainstream parties and
we, in the "underground" get to jam to the stuff that "didn't catch on"
?!?  Of course I'm kinda exaggerating here, but still.. 
                             ........ it's like a scary, scary story
.........

x's and o's, 
jessica / jes c
-concerned music lover-
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On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:01:44 -0600 Tad <sluckboy@primenet.com> writes:

>The same could be said for reading a book, or watching a tv show or 
>any
>experience  as soon as you experience ANYTHING you are not exactly the 
>same
>any sort of stimulii induces changes in your brain.  So do you cease 
>to be
>you from the moment you are born (and perpetually cease to be someone 
>else
>becomming billions of different people)? Sure people change, their 
>opinions
>change, maybe a lot or maybe very little by an experience but they 
>are
>still the same person IMO.  Taking drugs is an experience (be it good 
>or
>bad) and before after and during you are still you.... 
>
>enuff rambling,
>
>tad
>

i kinda see what yer saying but i think you're missing the point entirely
--> there's the process of learning, and then there's altering your brain
chemistry with foreign chemicals that over time can do more harm that
good.  We're not talking about necessarily even temporary chemical
changes in the brain (like a decreased serotonin level) that balance
themselves out relatively quickly in the big scheme of things (when you
"come down"), this is more about chemical changes you will have to live
with for quite awhile that effect who you are on a bio-chemical level and
thus can effect who you are mentally. 

 After my post, I recieved a few private emails with people telling me
they had been through just what I had been through -- almost "loosing
themselves" to drug use when they went through a very unhealthy phase of
their life and after they straightened up, detoxed, and did alot of
soul-searching became like their old selves again, so to speak, and the
ol' brain chemistry pretty much recovered.  I am not drug free, but I'm
not currently doing any drugs either (but if i wanted to throw down, i
would) -- just wanted to let ya know this email isn't from some maniacal
straight edge freak or something.  

Anyway, a lovely example of what certain drugs can do to you in the realm
of more harm than good is crystal meth amphetamine (my old fave).  What
does your body do in terms of metabolizing the drug??  Your body over
time considers crystal meth a nutrient and metabolizes it as a protein,
and your body uses it TO BUILD CELL WALLS.  When you quit using it, for
years you may crave it the same way your body might crave a food that
contains a certain nutrient you are in need of (i.e. mmm, chocolate
sounds good, i need magnesium).  Anyway, I'm not all about
disinformation, I know the latter is true from *personal experience*, and
I could track down the textbook source of that info if you wish.  

Also, this is probably more common -- coke over-uses and eventually
basically burns out the receptors that recieve "pleasure" messages from
neurotransmitters.  People who did a huge amount of coke in their day
usually are 1) not themselves at all in the fact that they generally
either lie alot or have some other similar effect due to BRAIN DAMAGE, 2)
are tweakers due to BRAIN DAMAGE, or 3) suffer from chemical depression
(very common) because their brains no longer even sustain the ability to
create the normal "feel good" chemicals that keep us feeling the norm day
to day, and as of yet this condition is irreversible.  Someone that used
to be a nice, balanced, and fun-loving friend of mine turned into the
aforementioned brain-damaged and tweaky ex-cokehead after about 5 years
of habitual use.   A decent source on coke (dealing with what i just
mentioned) is www.healthanswers.com/database/ami/converted/000947.html

An excellent example of a drug having negative effects on a person and
causing them to "not be themselves" is crack.  Have you ever talked to a
crackhead??  Not a "cracked out" ravekid, but a true crackhead.  Alot of
these people once had creativity and/or intelligence, and alot of
crackheads had a good head on their shoulders and a bright future to look
forward to, but on the drug they are absolute shells of human beings. 
They act VERY "tweaky" (usually an effect of out-of-wack brain chemistry)
and when taken off the drug, they eventually "become themselves again",
as their brain chemistry straightens itself out.  This ain't the 60's
anymore -- these ain't the days where ppl think that coke isn't addictive
and there isn't a chemical aftermath to deal with after doing "hard
drugs" for months or years.  If you think reading an inspiring book
compares to heroin addiction or something of the like, I don't even know
what to tell you.  Taking a damn advil for a headache isn't even the same
as inhaling a rail of crank, but at least that's somewhat in the same
ballpark.  

I think people should try to recognize what drug experiences -enlighten-
them and more or less aid them in learning alot about themselves and the
world around them, and in turn be aware of what drugs will become more
detrimental to their physiology than beneficial in the long run.  There
IS a such thing as *too much of a good thing*.  Everyone needs to throw
down and party sometimes, and I'm a big advocate of drug use simply
because I think it is only human to seek out altered states of
consciousness.  But people take drugs for alot of different reasons,
sometimes [even admittedly!] to kill themselves. 

Here's a quote, weened from hyperreal's own drug archives:
   "It's really a shame that the Establishment doesn't apply itself on
teaching people how to use drugs intelligently and creatively, since,
clearly, such paths to competence and maturity exhist.  If I had known 10
years ago what I have learned throught much reading and thinking, I would
have saved myself a lot of money, and more importantly, a lot of grief
and self-destructive behavior, which I have, fortunately survived." 
--Anon. 

Have Fun and Be Safe,
kisses,
jessica/jesc
-sick of this thread-
-but I had 2 reply-
:o)~

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On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:23:39 -0600 "Tracy J Koogler" <KOOG@prodigy.net>
writes:
> Anyways, I found my Terry Mullen New
>Skool Fusion II tape and was wondering if anyone knew when this was 
>actually made?

mmm -- New Skool Fusion II is from 1995.  
Does anyone out there have a copy of New Skool Fusion I ??
If so, we gotta work something out, 'cuz I don't have my copy anymore & I
want it !! ... :-9

X's and O's,
jessica/ jes c
-mixtape fiend-

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The next Dynamic Groove event is tentatively scheduled for June.

The location this time is to be Madison, WI.

My question for everyone on the list, especially other promoters...

Does anyone know of any other events scheduled for Saturdays in June ?

Particularly in Chicago, Milwaukee or Madison, but any information would
be helpful.


Thank you.

	Joe
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oh but then the ravers wouild have to bitch about how there are no parties for
a WHOLE MONTH!!

it's a vicious circle baby...

=)

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> Do they have visions of it being huge here like it is in
> europe??  Sponsored by huge and money-hungry corporations like Walt
> Disney or some shit??  Parties have already changed -alot-.  Do you think
> eventually it will get to the point where the scene will divide and there
> will be the "mainstream" one and then the "underground"?  Where
> "sell-outs" like Fatboy Slim and people that fail to beatmatch
> (unbeknownst to those untrained ears) play at the mainstream parties and
> we, in the "underground" get to jam to the stuff that "didn't catch on"
> ?!?  Of course I'm kinda exaggerating here, but still..

did you used to live in Los Angeles?  You just described exactly what is
going on out here, right now!   Hahahahahhaahha....funny but true.I remember
a couple of days ago someone posted something about Ticketmaster selling
tickets for some party out there.  I kinda laughed cuz that shit has been
going on over here for quite some time now.  hehehhehe

>
>
> x's and o's,
> jessica / jes c
> -concerned music lover-
> <3
>
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On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, soulbeatz@juno.com *+*Jessica/jesc*+* wrote:

> in the process.  Do they have visions of it being huge here like it is in
> europe??  Sponsored by huge and money-hungry corporations like Walt
> Disney or some shit??  Parties have already changed -alot-.  Do you think
> eventually it will get to the point where the scene will divide and there
> will be the "mainstream" one and then the "underground"?  Where

too late.  Chemical Bros, Prodigy, Moby, the Orb and etc... are selling 
out. tickets, that is. all over the country in big large venues for big
large money hungry corporations like Goodyear.  There's events held on
Navy Pier and there's events held in a castle in the middle of the
mountains of Colorado.  but the division is never so clear.  yes, there's
an inbetween.  and there probably always will be.  until the whole thing
collapses in on itself and rave really does become post-apocalyptic. at
that point, if there's anything left to speak of, there won't be
mainstream or underground, just unity

its good to have you back on the list, jessica :)

			paul toastman


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hey if u guys know n e 1 that wants a 158 burton twin with burton
freestyle bindings i will get rid of it real cheap
Stumpy

Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 2/22/99 7:43:31 PM Central Standard Time, hypo303@juno.com
> writes:
> 
> << were getting snow
>  WAX YOUR BOARDS
> 
> yeah, maybe if mine hadn't been stolen...  :P   *sob*
> 
>  im heading to the slopes >>
> 
> No need for bragging!  j/k.  Lucky guy.  I hate rentals...
> 
> Still Bitter About Her Missing Child-
> Jen!

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Vexation

A Hardcore/Jungle Event

February 23
9:00 P.M.

DJ's

DJ Green
Resident Junglist, Madison

Anonymous
#1 in customer service, Windsor

Unibomber
Ugly, Loser, Distort Records, West Allis

Located at the Inferno, 1718 Commercial Ave., Madison.  608-245-0303
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$4.00 cover
Drink specials





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Can the quality of a work of art (say, for example, a piece of music) be
determined by the type of people who enjoy it?  Can it be determined by how
much money the artist makes from the work? Does someone cease to be an
artist if they think about money during the process of creating a work?
Once a work is created, can its quality change without the work itself
being altered in any way? Can any one person's emotional response to a work
of art be considered more valid than any other person's? Can you truly know
the artist's intentions without actually being the artist?  

If you think the answer to any of these questions is yes, please explain why.

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>If you think the answer to any of these questions is yes, please >explain
why.

short answer, because it is all subjective.. I could play the
perception twisting game (where I become a devils advocate on
crack and try and view my reality as a negative image of what it
normally would be)... but it isn't worth it...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:30:19 -0500 chris fisher <csf6994@tamug.tamu.edu>
writes:

>hey if u guys know n e 1 that wants a 158 burton twin with burton
>freestyle bindings i will get rid of it real cheap
>Stumpy
>

Hey, if any one knows someone who would like to _sell_ a Burton Asym Air
or Sims Ace
(or a similar board) let me know.  It must be in great shape, soft or
hard bindings.

I know these boards are old, but that's what I want (it's been several
years since I've
gone snowboarding).

I want something that is not for freestyle, but not for racing either,
but it has
to be fast, carve like a dream, and still be versatile enough for "all
purpose" use.
(but particularly fast and good for carving).

	Joe
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Every Tuesday in Milwaukee,
Dynamic Groove Presents:

=================
V   E   R   T   I   G   O
=================

THIS TUESDAY...

Feb 23rd
K   E   N  T      C   H   R   I   S   T   O   P   H   E   R
	Nice Musique - Madison - House

================================================

COMING SOON...

March 2nd
C   H   A   D      S   O   M   M   E   R
	Karma & Mint Resident - Chicago - Trance/House

March 9th
K   I   D      E   N   T   R   O   P   Y
	Semiconcious - Chicago - Drum & Bass

================================================

EVERY WEEK...

Resident DJs:
R   A   M   Y   L   S   O   N   (House)
D   J      H   E   L   I   X   (Techno & Breaks)
X   E   N   O   N   (Drum & Bass)

Lightshow by:
L   I   G   H   T      F   A   N   T   A   S   T   I   K
                                  
Located at The Globe
2028 E. North Ave
Milwaukee, WI

Ages 21+   
9pm to 2am
$3 Cover

FREE BEER Until 11pm !
$2 Imports & .50 Kamikazes after 11pm.

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik/events.html
dgroove@juno.com
ICQ# 20984041

================================================
DYNAMIC GROOVE'S NEXT FULL SCALE EVENT...

JUNE 12th, 1999 - MADISON, WI

If you know of any conflicts with this date, please notify
us as soon as possible - dgroove@juno.com
================================================

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I think it's kinda like the punk scene back in the day....first no one wanted
it around. For instance the Sex Pistols played in unknown bars and pretty much
every time they played the police showed up to stop the them. Now you see punk
everywhere. They talk about CBGB's being the beginning; the only place that
punk rockers were aloud to see their bands. Like ravers only used to only be
able to go to warehouses and such but now they are able to by tickets at
ticketmaster...I mean everything can't be like how it started out because the
crowd gets bigger and the world has to accept it even if they don't want to.
I mean I don't like it as much anyone else but thats the way socitey makes
it......everyone is at fault to blame

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enjoy the words from an interesting guy..

o0o[qiB.]o0o

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>First off, let me apologise for the non-specific nature of this post :)
>I guess I just like to provoke aimless discussion, given half a
>chance...  well, either that or I'm overly bored...
>
>I remember reading an article in some magazine last year in which
>Derrick May acknowledged that there was still a lot of untapped
>potential in techno, and that things had nearly gone to a "next stage"
>with some bizarre-sounding project; May, Atkins and Saunderson had been
>on the verge of forming a "techno supergroup" with Trevor Horn as
>producer (weird i know) called "Telex" or something like that. According
>to May in this interview, the general plot would have been to elevate
>techno to an ultra-high profile, and for this "Telex" project to be like
>(in May's words i think) the "black Pet Shop Boys".
>
>This gave me a funny Sliders-esque view of some absurd parallel universe
>where techno's identity would have been drastically different, and more
>than likely for the worse too.
>But then I thought about it again, and a number of things came to mind.
>The influence that the first wave (and the second wave, to quite a large
>extent) of Detroit had was phenomenal. Without Strings of Life etc,
>there would not have been the explosion of different dance musics such
>as hardcore or jungle, nor the "idm" thing that Warp tried to claim as
>their own innovation, nor Orbital, the Orb, the Chemical Brothers or the
>Prodigy (the current wave of plagiaristic pretenders).
>I used to feel that Techno was long overdue a vindication - a payback,
>for all that mainstream culture has borrowed off it and given nothing in
>return.
>
>But I now think that Techno is *still at an embryonic stage*, and that
>it is due to evolve into a much more long-lived, and a much deeper,
>thing than it is even at the moment. One jungle kid I know believes that
>jungle will fade and that techno, in about 10 years, will come to
>prominence in a big way because "we'll be in the future - the world will
>be techno". I don't know about his reasoning, but I kind of agree.
>
>So now when people say "if all that trainspotty detroit stuff was so
>good, then how come it isn't in the charts and Orbital are?", or "the
>music you like is obscure and underground, and therefore is
>meaningless", I can just sit back and smugly say "our music is still
>embryonic. and it already kicks arse!".
>But then I guess a few people have known that all along :)
>
>we're far nearer the beginning of techno's chapter than we think! I
>don't doubt there are some people on this list who have the "thus far,
>and no farther" attitude, and want progress (or thoughts of progress) to
>cease. but i hope that mindset doesn't dominate techno, because that
>would screw things up quite badly.
>I wonder what milestones we have to look forward to in techno's
>development?
>
>The Engager
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Anybody go to this? Seems like free beer and good party
environments generally don't go hand in hand...

I'd still love to check this out, to bad I live about 400 miles away..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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i saw a plastik man video on mtv's the amp last nite.  man, does his new
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>
> Does anyone out there have a copy of New Skool Fusion I ??
> If so, we gotta work something out, 'cuz I don't have my copy anymore & I
> want it !! ... :-9
>

Ill trade a copy of NSF 1 for a copy of "Live @ Momentum". Or "Eric
Haupt-Live @ InterstellarOutback 2".   ANYBODY that can hook me up with
EITHER of these is truly a god amongst gods!!!

thanks.
derek.



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this really sucks yo , after 3 days in the sunny sun of california im back in
this god damn chicago shithole .... 
fuckin suxs , from shorts to big ass jackets ...
oh well i ll stop my bitching ...
alex
DLK Productions
KEEP MUSIC EVIL

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damnit it is cold and its snowing in louisville!!!
Stumps


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In a message dated 2/22/99, 11:53:45 PM, XxAeOn99xX writes:
<<oh but then the ravers wouild have to bitch about how there are no parties
for a WHOLE MONTH!!>>

Yeah... but once the parties to start again, then maybe...just maybe, the kids
will have more fun because they haven't been to a party for a while. I think
this would be good for Chicago...one month it's agreed by all the promoters
that there would be no events. It would be agreed for the benefit of the
Chicago rave scene that nobody did anything. If any promoter was to throw
anything within that month...it would be a sign of greed.

I dunno... I just sneezed and there's snot all over the place...

P

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anybody goin to be at this ??????
and btw the 6th is 11 days away
this weekend is the 27th next is the 6th

iySyS

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Subject: [mw] ONLY FIVE DAYS AWAY!!!! -- The Meaning Of Life


> The Meaning Of Life
>    A Goodfellaz Gathering
>    Nashville, Tennessee
>    March 6th, 1999 A.D.
>    25$ at the door, $20 with a pre-party ticket stub
>    Marathon Village  1305 Clinton Avenue
>
>    Terrance Parker - Intangible Records, Detroit
>    Scott Henry - Fever Buzz, Baltimore
>    Space Girl - EDM Records, Russia, NYC
>    Swamp - '97-'98 DMC Champ - L.A.
>    Shortkutt - Invisible Skratch Piklz - San Fran
>    DJ Lars - MTV's RealWorld, Berlin, NYC
>    Samm-e, Roll-x, Ulysis - 4 turntable tag team, Atlanta
>    Trevor Lamont - Soul Society/God's House, KY
>    6 Tuntable Exibition - Flagrant, Blue and Ginsu on 6 Tuntables!!!!!!!
>    Dorian - C.E.O. Goodfellaz Midwest
>    Ashley Powers - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
>    Lovebomb - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
>Flex - Sky Baby, NYC
>    Taeo - St. Louis
>    Soundcat - C.A.A., Cincy
>    Egon - 91.1 WRVU Nashville
>    Blue and Ginsu - Hip Hop Freaky Nikky
>    Jadin - Nashville
>    Quaid - P.M. Crew, Nashville
>    Flagrant - Goodfellaz, Nashville
>    Spoon - Lil' Diva, Nashville
>        Matthew (aka DJ Bam Bam) - U.M.A., Goodfellaz, Lil Diva, Nashville
>
>    Info-lines: 615-817-6869 and 615-271-9468
>   Friday March 5th Pre-Party for The Meaning Of Life
>   A Goodfellaz Gathering
>
>   Terry Mullen - Catalyst, Chicago
>   Cyberjive - Dustraxx, New Orleans House Project
>   X-ian - C.B.S., Cincy
>   Brad Robinson - San Fran
>   Jamin - NYC
>   MKII And Dorian - Special ambient jungle tag team
>   Roger - Atlanta
> Jeremy - Atlanta
>
>   Call info-line for pre-party location
>   Attendance to the Pre-Party will give you a discount at the main event!!
>
>   After Party to be thrown by Last Minute Productions 4:19
>
>   Vendors aer all welcome but you MUST call the info line and let us know
at
>least 2      days before the main event
>
>    This will be a VERY special event
>    There will be 4 MAIN ROOMS at this event
>    Attendance to the pre-party will give you a discount at the main event
>
>   Directions: Get on I-40 heading to downtown Nashville.
>                    Get off at Church/Charlotte.
>                    Go East on Charlotte Ave.
>                    Then turn left on 11th Avenue
>                    Clinton Avenue is on your left
>
>
>
>
>
>


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> Video by Jason12, fully intelligent lighting, and a multi-color...

Just wanted to add a note. Performing with the visual crew this event,
we have the Reverend Dwight Frizzell. the Reverend is known for his
diverse taste and talent in music (with bands like BCR), but he also
happens to be a twisted psychedelic hammerhead.

Dwight's experience and knowlege of the video world is going to make
this one of the most intense visual experiences you will see!

We're looking forward to it! >:D

_jason


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I think that's a GREAT idea! I live in Mpls and I hadn't been to a party since
6th Sense in Milwaukee until last Thursday when I attended an intimate 3-hour
gathering at a private college (Gustavus Adolphus) in a tiny town in southern
MN. There were only about 30 people and 2 DJs (DJ Spree and John Dove) but
these kids had a BLAST!! They were coming up to me left and right with MAD
praises for the DJs (not that I have ANYTHING to do with their talent). They
wanted to know about other parties and were willing to drive countless hours
to get to another event of this nature. Due to the incredible vibe and the
awesome music I found myself having a total blast!! If you want to really
appreciate a party you'll pace yourself (whether the events are literally
"taken away" for a month or if you simply choose not to participate). And,
remember, no matter the size or caliber of the party only YOU can make it fun!!!!

Hugz,
Tanya :)


PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> Yeah... but once the parties to start again, then maybe...just maybe, the kids
> will have more fun because they haven't been to a party for a while. I think
> this would be good for Chicago...one month it's agreed by all the promoters
> that there would be no events. It would be agreed for the benefit of the
> Chicago rave scene that nobody did anything. If any promoter was to throw
> anything within that month...it would be a sign of greed.
> 
> I dunno... I just sneezed and there's snot all over the place...
> 
> P

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>> Fornication. Under. Carnal. Knowledge.
>
>actually, it originally stood for "Fornication Under Command of the King."
it
>was a note posted on doors when the black plague was going around, for
healthy
>folks to reproduce so humanity didn't die off.
>
>van halen did not make the acronym up.

...well, i guess that would make sense if gabe had said "For Unlawful Carnal
Knowledge"
=P =)
pix



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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, chris ege wrote:

> 
> Can the quality of a work of art (say, for example, a piece of music) be
> determined by the type of people who enjoy it?  Can it be determined by how
> much money the artist makes from the work? Does someone cease to be an
> artist if they think about money during the process of creating a work?
> Once a work is created, can its quality change without the work itself
> being altered in any way? Can any one person's emotional response to a work
> of art be considered more valid than any other person's? Can you truly know
> the artist's intentions without actually being the artist?  
> 
> If you think the answer to any of these questions is yes, please explain why.

As someone already said the appreciation of art is entirely subjective.  
What I think is amazingly beautiful you might think is an utter piece of 
crap.  As for the artist's impetus for creation who cares?  If she wants 
to create something she creates something.  If it sells, wonderful!  

IMHO, if a piece of art is created simply to make money there is a 
certain lack of emotional value on the part of the artist.  But the 
artist could always lie to me and say something like, "Oh, Steven...  it 
took all I had to finish this.  My heart and soul!"  But only the artist 
knows for sure.


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..i have a question....what if you met someone...you know from the 
mailing list...(not saying that I did because i haven't) but just say a 
person did...and you hung out and hit it off..and talked...for like ever 
about....stuff..they have the same thing in common as you...(goes to 
parties....and shit...) and you hang out..but somehow there is an 
attraction..but niether one of you...pursues....but....you seem to think 
about this person..as being cool..and you want to get to know them 
better..but your afraid..to let them know how you feel...in fear of 
scaring them away.....i mean..you don't want to freak them out..and  you 
don't want to lose them...well..i think..that's kinda happened to 
me....i don't want to scare them away....i don't to freak them out..but 
at the same time...i dont' want to smother them...i just want to know if 
what i feel for them..they somehow..can feel for me....i don't 
know..when i'm not at a party...i'm a really sensitive guy....and 
well.....i get lonely to.....just...need some advice...that's all....if 
i can't go out with this person..i at least..want them..in some part of 
my life as a friend..i'm probably totally overreacting...and...i'll 
probably just scare them away..*sigh*







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hey 1 of my tx kids needs this guys info, can n e 1 help???
Thanx
Stumps

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I sent the info to chris if anyone else needs it email me....

Oh and Chris it is spelled C-I-N-C-I-N-N-A-T-I

;)

Jenni

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-txraves@lists.io.com [mailto:owner-txraves@lists.io.com]On
> Behalf Of Chris Specht
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:25 AM
> To: Texas Raves
> Subject: TXRAVES: Cincinatti Bomb Squad ???
>
>
>
> Does anyone on this list know how to contact (snail/email/phone) Christian
> "X-ian" of the Cincinnati Bomb Squad?  I had a mailing address, but my
> package was sent back with a note about an incorrect address.
>
> Chris Specht
> 626 Soul
> Austin, Texas
> (512)495-9716
> (512)473-8383
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prolly like 100 bucks 75 if u smile real big.  I just paid 175 from a buddy and
never even used it, i like to ski too much
Stumps

Pixie wrote:

> as in, how cheap?
> btw, welcome back to louisville, i guess =) i personally am trying to leave
> pixie
>
> >hey if u guys know n e 1 that wants a 158 burton twin with burton
> >freestyle bindings i will get rid of it real cheap
> >Stumpy
> >
> >Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> In a message dated 2/22/99 7:43:31 PM Central Standard Time,
> hypo303@juno.com
> >> writes:
> >>
> >> << were getting snow
> >>  WAX YOUR BOARDS
> >>
> >> yeah, maybe if mine hadn't been stolen...  :P   *sob*
> >>
> >>  im heading to the slopes >>
> >>
> >> No need for bragging!  j/k.  Lucky guy.  I hate rentals...
> >>
> >> Still Bitter About Her Missing Child-
> >> Jen!


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for all of u asking i am in lou.  In the southend with the folks right
now, but i am lookin for an apt in the bardstown rd area.  If u all want
to see my pic it is on my website.
http://members.aye.net/~stumpyky              but it looks real bad on
ie or aol because i built it on netscape composer


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Just tell her/him they are tha best.  They always like to hear that 1.  And
take em out to din din or somethin.  It doesn't have to be anything but a
few friends goin out, see how it goes and go from there.  The lil girlie i
am dating right now, i met on the net.    :)     And she is tha best
Stumps

Christophe Asgard wrote:

> ..i have a question....what if you met someone...you know from the
> mailing list...(not saying that I did because i haven't) but just say a
> person did...and you hung out and hit it off..and talked...for like ever
> about....stuff..they have the same thing in common as you...(goes to
> parties....and shit...) and you hang out..but somehow there is an
> attraction..but niether one of you...pursues....but....you seem to think
> about this person..as being cool..and you want to get to know them
> better..but your afraid..to let them know how you feel...in fear of
> scaring them away.....i mean..you don't want to freak them out..and  you
> don't want to lose them...well..i think..that's kinda happened to
> me....i don't want to scare them away....i don't to freak them out..but
> at the same time...i dont' want to smother them...i just want to know if
> what i feel for them..they somehow..can feel for me....i don't
> know..when i'm not at a party...i'm a really sensitive guy....and
> well.....i get lonely to.....just...need some advice...that's all....if
> i can't go out with this person..i at least..want them..in some part of
> my life as a friend..i'm probably totally overreacting...and...i'll
> probably just scare them away..*sigh*
>
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also use flowers, from my experiences and all, girlies love flowers, i
wouldn't overdo it, but find the right time (b-day, holliday, rave party,
monday, whatever) but try it w/ a flower

> Just tell her/him they are tha best.  They always like to hear that 1.  And
> take em out to din din or somethin.  It doesn't have to be anything but a
> few friends goin out, see how it goes and go from there.  The lil girlie i
> am dating right now, i met on the net.    :)     And she is tha best
> Stumps
> 


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thanx..for all the advice....cool...i'm suddenly getting up the nerve to 
do..what i i want to do...find out...i mean...i really want to let them 
know..how i feel about them..i mean....we had a good time..and i 
really..really really like this person..but i'm afraid...i'm gonna freak 
them out or something..scare them away...i mean...i don't want 
that....but..how can you be so attracted to someone on the first "hang 
out" you know...well i am..and it's totally mental attraction...and i 
just want to be apart of their life..and i hope they feel the same..but 
..if they don't...i could be setting myself up..for an extreme let down 
in which..case...i'm gonna be crushed...i mean..i think..we were playing 
hard to get from each other...that night..i'm not sure...i want to tell 
them how i feel...but words are useless..especially in sentences...how 
can they express how i feel...and yes email is the only way...i can tell 
them this..but the bad thing is..waiting for a response...and what if 
it's not what i want to hear..and i lose them..period...meaning...they 
won't even want to hang out with me any more...i don't want it to end 
like..that....i mean...i'm a pretty sensitive guy..and i was actually in 
tears this morning..before coming to work..because i'm so torn on what 
to do...it sux...i'm torn on whether to tell them...or to 
continue...burying myself deeper and deeper in the friends.....but if 
friends is all we'll ever be...i wouldn't mind...shit..i wish 
i...damn..starting to cry..i'm such a weak fuck..sometimes... :(

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In a message dated 2/22/99 10:54:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pixie@bluegrass.net writes:

> you really seem to have a problem with making assumptions about what people
>  do. let's see:

well, when you know what they do... you don't really :)

>  I don't. Most of my weekends are spent relaxing from not having to work,
>  besides, you haven't been paying attention. I have to many bills to
feasibly
>  afford to go out. and i pay my bills.
 
same here... for a while i went to parties and made money there by selling
mix-tapes and t-shirts, or doing sound for a brief period... so for a while
parties sustained me financially... i guess i am lucky, but now that i do
neither, i don't go out... and if i do, it is usually to parties where i am on
the guestlist... cause i can't afford to go, and if friends don't go with me,
i can't afford gas to get there... as of now, bills and gas take up all my
money... i live off peanut butter sandwiches and ramen noodles... mmmm... and
if i have money, i treat myself to some taco bell

>  I don't go to concerts either. no wait, i take that back. I went to sarah
>  maclaclan <sp> last april because a friend had tix and had to go to a
>  funeral, and i went to jethro tull in october because the radio station i
>  was working for had promo tix and i sweet-talked the promotions director
>  into giving me a pair for my sister's birthday. that, btw, was an
incredible
>  show
 
glad you liked it 

>  oh, believe me buddy, i know. you don't have to tell me a damn thing about
>  doing without.
  
okay... i will try to refrain then

>  well thats one factor. another one: as long as promoters continue to think
>  that they *have* to throw parties a certain way to be considered successful
>  by the public, then there will continue to be high-cost parties. success is
>  in the eyes of the beholder, but thats another rant for another day...
 
well, in a way, they do have to throw them a certain way to prevent losing
their ass... or to get kids to come... also, some promoters make a living off
of it, so they need to make money, or they are in a hurting... true, sucess is
in the eye of the beholder, but who wants to throw out say $10,000 of their
hard earned cash, never to get any back... i did a few parties, yes, i lost
money, but when i look back i feel that they were both sucessful, lots of
people had a good time, got to hear good music in this town of louisville for
a change...i got to hang with friends of mine...

>  when i live over there i'll give a rats ass, but that really doesn't affect
>  me now.

it affects you more than you think... most big american djs can play here or
there... europe can pay more, so domestic promoters have to pay more to get
them, therefore the cost of the party starts to rise... good sounds bumps up
the price... flights, hotels... flyers... lights... lazers visuals... etc
etc... if you are lucky you can get deals on people, and many smaller djs will
cut you deals, as will many djs if you deal direct... but some tell you to
talk to their agent only... would you pay $1500 for gene ferris? i wouldn't...
also, the US is really just a few years behind europe scene wise... it is more
like different events, thrown in the exact same venue... clubs and
festivals... this is what is to expect, how ever... there is a less
commericially lucrative market in europe... squatter parties... 
  
>  once again, no i don't. boy you really think you know me, don't you?

you might be suprised amy... haha... oops
 
>  ah, but see, i do care. thats why i try to discuss intelligently about ways
>  to deal with it. djgroove responded to me in a way that pointed out some
>  very valid issues that a promoter has to deal with in order to bring off a
>  quality event these days. i disagree with a few of the points that he made,
>  but he helped me see that there are promoters out there who are trying to
>  think of ways to help alleviate this problem, and also helped to justify
the
>  rising costs of parties in a non-confrontational manner. you however, seem
>  to have this thing about making assumptions of what people do so you can
>  tell them where to get off.

wow, i am unpopular.... my opinions are based on my experiences... i really
don't care if people agree with me or not... as for ways to get prices down...
picking up tours is a good way, also so is getting rid of guestlists... and a
prude sense of money when dealing with space owners... just be sure you have
an uncle or friend or relative that is lawyer, and would help you back up your
legal beef... also, relatives or friends as travel agents can help to, for all
you budding promoters, talk to some agencies or companies who buy left over
plane tickets in bulk, they usually sell cheaper than what the airline willl
cause they get a deal... especially handy when dealing with international
travel... another way is long term investments... buy ing your own small
sounds system helps, when you are using it, rent it out to others...

  
>  sure its that simple. so do you propose the completely irrational idea of
>  every raver staying home if the party is more than $10 so we can "teach
>  those promoters a lesson?" and what about the parties that are worth the
>  price? seems to me that someone really missed the point here. i don't mind
>  that there are $25 parties let say, oh, once a month, or maybe even twice.
>  but the issue we were trying to get at was the issue of every weekend
having
>  to pay this much if you choose to go out every weekend. this is the only
>  option now. no one is making any kind of an effort to offset the big events
>  with some smaller, more intimate events at lower costs. (actually, i don't
>  want to say that, because i know that there are some promoters out there
who
>  are doing just that. you know who you are)
  
well, worth is all determined by the viewer... most people go to what they
feel is worth it... whether it be a large party, or a small party.... i mean,
a party with djs i like, i wouldn't mind paying for... but if it is a $25
party with paul johnson, terry mullan, frankie bones, dieselboy, danny the
wildchild, feelgood, phantom 45, icey, rabbit in the moon, atomic babies, adam
x, aphrodite, and odi.... well i think there would prolly be tons of people
who rush to see it, however, i wouldn't go to that party for $10, i don't feel
like listening to such crap, not my thing... but, you might disagree, is all a
matter of personal taste on worth

>  you are turning this into an issue about why some party kids can't or won't
>  pay $25 every single weekend to go to parties. that was not the issue. the
>  issue we were trying to discuss is why promoters don't seem to be throwing
>  less expensive events. unless you have something to say *ABOUT THAT
>  PARTICULAR ISSUE* then step off. i don't need a personal accountant. i'm
>  doing quite well on my own, thank you.

can't or won't pay does affect why there are $25 every weekend, cause people
will pay it... if you want to know why more promoters don't throw less
expensive events, well, i can think of a few reasons, a) not enough money
generated b) can't afford to c) no one comes d) competition from near-by
cities or even in your own city e) the line up you want to do can't break even
at a reason price even if it is locals, venue cost, sound cost, etc...  it is
hard to do $10-$12 events and continue to do them... my friend an i discovered
we couldn't do an event under $3000... and even if we did them for $12, we
weren't gonna break even... cause we didn't have enough people come to our
events... cause we brought in people we wanted to see, not the people at these
$25 events... i feel the biggest reasons people don't do the $10 events is
there is no money or fame in it, most kids that started throwing parties now
to get recognition and money... me and my friends threw our first party cause
we thought it would be a funny to see a party named that... and in all my
days, i never saw but one party with a dumber name than moo cow corn... and
that was eep op ork ah... but i think these parties don't get the support they
should, people have submitted to the idea if the party isn't $25 that
something is wrong, or it won't be "phat" or they would rather save their
money till the next $25 party came around so they could get more bang for
their buck

maybe in the end it is all hype that matters you know? 

a small party, with a flier that really hypes up the performers and the fact
of the price usually can do okay... and serve as maybe an education tool....
good promotion can really help a party, and if you are willing to bust your
ass, you can even get out of a $10 with no finacial risk...  i would say
positive kids in chiacgo are a perfect example of this... positive thursday,
and a few small cheaper parties... built them a reputation up... and they do
big parties now, kids love them... but they still do the thursday events...
parties are subjective issues... as is the price...pay what you feel something
is worth... and maybe, if someone isn't doing something in that area like
that, get on the ball and do it yourself... idle bitching accomplishes
nothing... action counts... do it yourself...


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the cretative process can not be cheapened and forced or the end creation will
sound look or taste forced.  do you think that when Mozart was composing his
mind was on money or Dali thinking about putting a fat wad in his pocket while
painting his masterpieces....?  do you think Van Gogh was thinking about all
his money (wink of sarcasm?) while cutting off his ear and painting some
sunflowers.  no...no no no Their minds were all about recreating what was
beauty to themselves and that is true true pure geneious.  
  While in the creative process your left brain is in overdrive and not
thinking analytically which is the side of your brain that says i need $5 to
get some dinner i need to work for a pay check.  Your instincts and creative
drive are saying keep going i've never heard anything this beautiful before
and i don't ever want to stop doing this.  that is where genius is born.  and
if it supports you...well, word up but don't create for money.  Create for the
love or you are a whore.


-hAN*k_.

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so would you like to meet up at mike and shannons again sometime so we can
continue this?
you had me there for a sec, i'm thinking "where the hell have i met this
guy...he knows my name, dammit!!"



>well, when you know what they do... you don't really :)


so are you saying that you know what i do? what my problem was (and now that
i've gotten a more involved e-mail from you, i'll elaborate) is that you
responded to the firl who originally posted that if ravers were to stop
doing so many drugs, they could afford the parties. i had a problem with
that, simply because that was not the issue at hand. she didn't want to talk
about druggie ravers, she wanted to talk about the rising costs in parties.

>same here... for a while i went to parties and made money there by selling
>mix-tapes and t-shirts, or doing sound for a brief period... so for a while
>parties sustained me financially... i guess i am lucky, but now that i do
>neither, i don't go out... and if i do, it is usually to parties where i am
on
>the guestlist... cause i can't afford to go, and if friends don't go with
me,
>i can't afford gas to get there... as of now, bills and gas take up all my
>money... i live off peanut butter sandwiches and ramen noodles... mmmm...
>and if i have money, i treat myself to some taco bell


believe me i'm right there with you. we're trying to move into a new place,
and with bills and such, its just not possible to go as much as i used to.
besides, with the current state of things, you have to be picky about what
you go to, so that you know that you got your money's worth from the
promoter

>well, in a way, they do have to throw them a certain way to prevent losing
>their ass... or to get kids to come... also, some promoters make a living
off
>of it, so they need to make money, or they are in a hurting... true, sucess
is
>in the eye of the beholder, but who wants to throw out say $10,000 of their
>hard earned cash, never to get any back... i did a few parties, yes, i lost
>money, but when i look back i feel that they were both sucessful, lots of
>people had a good time, got to hear good music in this town of louisville
for
>a change...i got to hang with friends of mine...


i couldn't agree more. and i also understand that with the growing
popularity of raves, the notoriety grows too, and space owners are now
either uncooperative, or they charge out the ass for spaces in order to
cover their own risks. what i'm talking about are promoters who feel that
there is one specific formula to a successful party. i would consider a
party's level of success by how well the dj's spun, how much the kids
enjoyed it, and whether or not security issues were dealt with properly. in
that order. some people feel that in order to have a successful party, you
have to have 8 big name headliners: 2 house, 2 jungle,  etc etc....massive
lighting and sound...you know what i'm trying to say. promoters who step
outside of the norm and try to bring a variety to their parties vs those who
stick with the same formula every time.

>it affects you more than you think... most big american djs can play here
or
>there... europe can pay more, so domestic promoters have to pay more to get
>them, therefore the cost of the party starts to rise... good sounds bumps
up
>the price... flights, hotels... flyers... lights... lazers visuals... etc
>etc... if you are lucky you can get deals on people, and many smaller djs
will
>cut you deals, as will many djs if you deal direct... but some tell you to
>talk to their agent only... would you pay $1500 for gene ferris? i
wouldn't...
>also, the US is really just a few years behind europe scene wise... it is
more
>like different events, thrown in the exact same venue... clubs and
>festivals... this is what is to expect, how ever... there is a less
>commericially lucrative market in europe... squatter parties...


point made and taken.


>>  once again, no i don't. boy you really think you know me, don't you?
>
>you might be suprised amy... haha... oops


ok, as i said, this here freaked me out. so apparently you do know of me. my
point, however, is that you said that we expect the papparazi to leave
celebrities alone, but we buy the magazines. i don't. amanda does (she buys
N Sync stuff) but i don't. i'm not really into mainstream pop culture
(unless thats what raving is considered now) and there aren't many
"celebrities" that i even pay any attention to,  much less buy magazines
about. but i think i'm nitpicking the point here, too.

>wow, i am unpopular....

no not unpopular, its just that most of the responses you made before now
were short and rather "in your face" granted, mine were too, but you had me
all riled up. now that i have this e-mail with a bit more lengthy
discussions about what you think, it makes a lot more sense. the past few
had more of a tone of "well you do too many drugs thats why you can't afford
the parties" and that upset me because, granted, that is the case a lot of
times, but how do you say something like that to someone on a list who you
don;t know personally (maybe you do know her personally, in which case, i
was way off base all along) but it just irritated me to see someone ask a
valid question, and there be made a crackhead raver reference in response

>my opinions are based on my experiences... i really
>don't care if people agree with me or not... as for ways to get prices
down...
>picking up tours is a good way, also so is getting rid of guestlists... and
a
>prude sense of money when dealing with space owners... just be sure you
have
>an uncle or friend or relative that is lawyer, and would help you back up
your
>legal beef... also, relatives or friends as travel agents can help to, for
all
>you budding promoters, talk to some agencies or companies who buy left over
>plane tickets in bulk, they usually sell cheaper than what the airline
willl
>cause they get a deal... especially handy when dealing with international
>travel... another way is long term investments... buy ing your own small
>sounds system helps, when you are using it, rent it out to others...
>
>

>
>well, worth is all determined by the viewer... most people go to what they
>feel is worth it... whether it be a large party, or a small party.... i
mean,
>a party with djs i like, i wouldn't mind paying for... but if it is a $25
>party with paul johnson, terry mullan, frankie bones, dieselboy, danny the
>wildchild, feelgood, phantom 45, icey, rabbit in the moon, atomic babies,
adam
>x, aphrodite, and odi.... well i think there would prolly be tons of people
>who rush to see it, however, i wouldn't go to that party for $10, i don't
feel
>like listening to such crap, not my thing... but, you might disagree, is
all a
>matter of personal taste on worth


point well made and taken.


>can't or won't pay does affect why there are $25 every weekend, cause
>people will pay it... if you want to know why more promoters don't throw
less
>expensive events, well, i can think of a few reasons, a) not enough money
>generated b) can't afford to c) no one comes d) competition from near-by
>cities or even in your own city e) the line up you want to do can't break
even
>at a reason price even if it is locals, venue cost, sound cost, etc...  it
is
>hard to do $10-$12 events and continue to do them... my friend an i
>discovered we couldn't do an event under $3000... and even if we did them
>for $12, we weren't gonna break even... cause we didn't have enough >people
come to our events... cause we brought in people we wanted to
>see, not the people at these $25 events... i feel the biggest reasons
people >don't do the $10 events is there is no money or fame in it, most
kids that >started throwing parties now to get recognition and money... me
and my >friends threw our first party cause we thought it would be a funny
to see a >party named that... and in all my days, i never saw but one party
with a >dumber name than >moo cow corn... and that was eep op ork ah... but
i think >these parties don't get the support theyshould, people have
submitted to the >idea if the party isn't $25 that something is wrong, or it
won't be "phat" or they >would rather save their money till the next $25
party came around so they >could get more bang fortheir buck

so why didn't you say all that in the first place...instead of saying that
if people did less drugs, they could afford more parties. this is very true,
but everything you just wrote was a much more informative response to the
question at hand.

>
>maybe in the end it is all hype that matters you know?
>
>a small party, with a flier that really hypes up the performers and the
fact
>of the price usually can do okay... and serve as maybe an education
tool....
>good promotion can really help a party, and if you are willing to bust your
>ass, you can even get out of a $10 with no finacial risk...  i would say
>positive kids in chiacgo are a perfect example of this... positive
thursday,
>and a few small cheaper parties... built them a reputation up... and they
do
>big parties now, kids love them... but they still do the thursday events...
>parties are subjective issues... as is the price...pay what you feel
something
>is worth... and maybe, if someone isn't doing something in that area like
>that, get on the ball and do it yourself... idle bitching accomplishes
>nothing... action counts... do it yourself...
>

been workin on it ya know. or were you not paying attention the last time i
saw you at mike's? (j/k that was meant to be lighthearted, not a jab) most
of our discussion has been centering around what ideas we have to get our
own thing started because, as i always say, if you want it done right, do it
yourself.

thanks for the response, i'm not all pissed off at you now. i know you
probably don't care, but i thought it'd be nice to know.
see you soon, i'm sure =)
@my


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The beer commercial with the Ministry track was filmed in Chicago at the
original Medusa's circa 1988.

- Chad

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	In a message dated 2/22/99 5:50:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
	jp@art.uwstout.edu writes:

	<< jared b griffith <djnickel@earthlink.net> said:
	 
	 >what what what?    Ministry's "everyday is halloween" in a beer
	 >comercial???!?!?!/!/1
	 >oh my goth.... >>

	don't forget massive attack.

	entro

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In a message dated 2/23/99, 12:28:13 PM, chadsommer@upshotmail.com writes:
<<The beer commercial with the Ministry track was filmed in Chicago at the
original Medusa's circa 1988.

- Chad>>
 
I thought it was at the Metro. 

P

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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 Renis@aol.com wrote:

> the cretative process can not be cheapened and forced or the end creation will
> sound look or taste forced.  do you think that when Mozart was composing his
> mind was on money 

Hmmm.  Good question.  All I know of Mozart the person is from "Amadeous"
(spell?).  He did write many of his pieces for money but apparently not
enough.  I mean it was his job and I am sure an opera or two got cut short
based on time constraints.  

But he did manage to maintain his creative integrity throughout.  Or at
least he did so from our much removed perspective.  Perhaps he was
considered a sell out in his day?  Perhaps such a term had no meaning?  It
seems only recently has "unpopular" become equated with "too high brow for
you I guess."

Mozart wrote very popular music.  I think many of his operas were
specifically for common folk.

Adam


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The one with the waitress carrying the Chinese Checker Board w/Beer down the
staircase was at Medusas.

- Chad (Just thought some of you guys might be interested.)

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	In a message dated 2/23/99, 12:28:13 PM, chadsommer@upshotmail.com
writes:
	<<The beer commercial with the Ministry track was filmed in Chicago
at the
	original Medusa's circa 1988.

	- Chad>>
	 
	I thought it was at the Metro. 

	P

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what is wrong with someone making money doing what they love?????If i could i would.

Just wonderin
Stumps


adm eows wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 Renis@aol.com wrote:
>
> > the cretative process can not be cheapened and forced or the end creation will
> > sound look or taste forced.  do you think that when Mozart was composing his
> > mind was on money
>
> Hmmm.  Good question.  All I know of Mozart the person is from "Amadeous"
> (spell?).  He did write many of his pieces for money but apparently not
> enough.  I mean it was his job and I am sure an opera or two got cut short
> based on time constraints.
>
> But he did manage to maintain his creative integrity throughout.  Or at
> least he did so from our much removed perspective.  Perhaps he was
> considered a sell out in his day?  Perhaps such a term had no meaning?  It
> seems only recently has "unpopular" become equated with "too high brow for
> you I guess."
>
> Mozart wrote very popular music.  I think many of his operas were
> specifically for common folk.
>
> Adam


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Not that this anything to with selling out or all that...but I remember NYE's
when they would have "industrial" bands at Metro, the Aragon and some othere
place and you could go to all three because they had shuttle buses going from
one venue to another. I remember Revolting Cocks, Ministry & Frontline
Assembly being a part of this all.

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There is nothing wrong with publicity. It's not about how big a company is
or how successful they are. It DOES matter on how they conduct business, how
they advertise, what their motive is, and what their goals are.

I hope someday that my label is as successful as any other major label. It's
just a simple goal in business. I personally feel that art is priceless and
I would love to give all of our music away for free, but unfortunately food
costs money and so does all this equipment we use to produce the music.
Please don't think that because people make money doing what they love that
they are always selling out. I am not speaking for MTV or Astralwerks, but I
am speaking for myself and I am sure there are plenty of other people out
there who will agree with me.

Business is what America is built upon, if you want to live in the
"underground" your entire life, please move to a third world country and
save us the trouble of supporting you when you are on welfare for not
understanding the idea of Capitalism.

Trust me, I loved the "scene" when it was underground many years ago, but
things change... You can't change it back, so make the best of it.

- Radianation


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Anyone post this one yet???

ricA



> Fatboy Slim to marry Zoe Ball!!!

Zoe Ball announced her engagement to Fatboy Slim live on air  
infront of hundreds and thousands of listeners this Monday  
during her Radio One show, 'Zoe Ball's Breakfast Show'. Her  
exact words were - "I've got a little something to tell you.  
I was moaning at my boyfriend [Fatboy Slim] all day that he  
hadn't got me a Valentine present. I went to sleep, he woke  
me up and... I'm getting married. I feel sick and my stomach's  
turning over. I feel like I'm going to cry. I'm going to be  
Mrs Cook." This mass media announcement makes a fitting  
conclusion to a romance that has been courted by the media
spotlight since day one. The ex-kiddie's TV presenter has  
officially been dating the big beat super star, Fatboy Slim, for  
just under a month, although the couple actually met last summer  
in Ibiza at one of the islands notoriously debauched clubs.  
Allegedly Miss Ball was busy attempting to wrap herself around  
a dancer's pole at the time!!!! Their whirlwind romance has  
since attracted national media coverage, a point which no doubt  
helped FatBoy Slim's last single 'Praise You' to reach number  
one a few weeks ago. According to Zoe, however, it's not Fatboy  
Slim's music that attracted her to him  - she reckons "he makes  
crap music, but he's an animal in bed."!! Maybe 'Fatboy Slim  
[really] is fucking in heaven...'!!!!!!!!  

For an interview with Fatboy Slim check out the VIP elec.tronica
archive -


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Well how bout this, eh? Do you call this selling out?

ricA


> Fatboy Slim takes on Armand Van Helden!

In an unprecedented move, Fatboy Slim (aka 'The Brighton Bomber')  
and Armand Van Helden (aka 'The Boston Mangler') have set a date  
for a mock title fight. The two high-profile dance music dons are  
set to slug it out in a boxing ring at London's Brixton Academy  
for the title of dance heavy weight champion. The title will be  
awarded to the winner of the soundclash, as both DJ/producers  
battle it out on two decks in the old school hip-hop style. Like  
a real title fight the event will be broadcast simultaneously
on satellite and pay-per-view to thousands of fans. Tongue in  
cheek it may be, but it's still ridiculously commercial !!  Next  
it'll be rare white labels on sella-vision!!!!!!



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what is wrong with someone making money doing what they love?????If i could i
would.

Just wonderin
Stumps

nothing but if you make art or music for the explicit reason of making money
it is gonna suck and i think that is a bad reason to create art or music.  i
said 'if you can make $$ doing something you love......word.'  do it. your
cool but just keep your motives pure.  if you just want money your barking up
the wrong tree

hAN*k_

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I think its really cool that in Milwaukee, before 11PM the beer is
underground, but after that its a sell-out.




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ahhhhhhh now how long have i been waitin fer this one to finally come out
<lookz over at dica>....

well i must say its well worth the wait.....

things fall apart is a work of hiphop art....black thoughts voice just flows
like buttah....the background rhythms are all smooth as well....my fav tracks
on this one include "The Next Movement", "You Got Me" which is a gorgeous song
featuring Erykah Badu, and "Dynamite"..however i like the WHOLE DAMN THING,
which is not really a surprise to me considering the fact that i was the same
way about illadelph halflife.....oh and in the insert, they dont give ya all
the lyrics but they do give a lil bit of insight on the background and story
behind the songs*....

? also does his thing on a few tracks, adding some sound effects (scratching,
beat juggling..etc) by only using his voice*...wooohaaa...you will be really
surprised to find out its not a real dj doing all those effects...=)

i definitely recommend this album if you like hiphop*.....=)

"everybody....touch this illa5th dynamite*"

lauryN*

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From: "Christophe Asgard" <loki319@hotmail.com>

>..i have a question....what if you met someone...you know from the
>mailing list...(not saying that I did because i haven't) but just say a
>person did...

[snip]

yes yes yes.  haven't we all been here b4?  (don't deny it... every single
one of you who read this post has) :P~~~  heh.  kinda sounds like a part
of that *SO AWESOME MOVIE YOU ALL HAVE TO SEE*  "CAN'T HARDLY WAIT"...
(with the party of 5 twat on it) sounds mostly the part we hit "mute" thru
:P~~~~

allrighty, i'm teasin.  suggestion iz this:  chances are the girl likes
you back.  z0d here is the same way as yerself chris, so just work up the
courage to type a few words explaining how you feel to her, close yer eyes
really tight and hit the send key.  make it as simple as it sounds :)

then go thru the feeling of checking yer e-mail every 5 minutes,
processing the thought "did she write me yet??"... and if things go right,
you get a response within a day.... anything longer and expect something a
month later saying "i had no idea", and retain the friendship.

simpler, more fun, and alternative method:  get really drunk with her and
let the likker do the chatting later on... see what happens :P (words from
a lush) :P

just remember:  chances are a girl gets flattered if you tell her you like
her... not that i'm a girl and i would know... but hell if a girl tells me
she liked me, i get flattered--much less if she sez she wants to bear my
children, coz that's flattery!!!  not that that's happened or anything to
me before...coz ya know... it hasn't, so.. i wouldn't know...

*that look*

allright.  i'll shut my mouth b4 i fall asleep and wake up nut-free.

grrrr...


~*~*~*~P-L-U-R~*~*~*~

*poof*
Prasad
"closing his eyes tight"


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I don't think I'd really care what reason the people were making music
for...If it was good, I liked it, why should it matter why the person is
making the stuff?  I think that people criticize the people who get into the
music industry only for the fame and money and have no talent and don't make
good music but still succeed and although it is dumb, IMO, for people to do
that it is stupid kids like some of used to be that make it possible.  If
somebody has a gift, knows it, and wants to share it with the rest of us
fine by me if they want to charge for it

If the motive behind the reason the music was made is the reason you are
buying it or listening to it that seems silly to me...Yes music can have a
soul and that adds to the song, just like music can have lyrics which can
add to the song, but if somebody can make something that makes me feel
something no matter if they did while making it, that's good with me as
well.  I don't listen to music because somebody else found a special feeling
inside of the music, it is because I did.  I guess its just that you will
more often than not  find songs that are good by people who aren't in it for
the money.  It seems to me though that people just want something to bitch
about and they lump all this stuff together when they are seperate
arguments.  Music for money OR Bad Music for shit loads of money.  I dunno
i'm dumb.

=)'s
curtis

>what is wrong with someone making money doing what they love?????If i could
i
>would.
>
>Just wonderin
>Stumps
>
>nothing but if you make art or music for the explicit reason of making
money
>it is gonna suck and i think that is a bad reason to create art or music.
i
>said 'if you can make $$ doing something you love......word.'  do it. your
>cool but just keep your motives pure.  if you just want money your barking
up
>the wrong tree
>
>hAN*k_
>


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Pixie wrote:
> 
> >> Fornication. Under. Carnal. Knowledge.
> >
> >actually, it originally stood for "Fornication Under Command of the King."
> it
> >was a note posted on doors when the black plague was going around, for
> healthy
> >folks to reproduce so humanity didn't die off.
> >
> >van halen did not make the acronym up.
> 
> ...well, i guess that would make sense if gabe had said "For Unlawful Carnal
> Knowledge"

Uh, I dunno where all these acroynms are coming from but, being a
linguist amongst other things, I can tell you that they are highly
dubious.  "Fuck" is cited a lot in academic literature as an example of
sexism in the English language because it has it's origins in a German
word that is related to violent penetration of an object.  I don't know
the German word off-hand but you could relate it to the use of the word
"nail" as a verb to mean "to have sex with".  If you think about the
original meaning of the word you see the violence and degradation behind
it (so the party line goes on this sort of semantic analysis).  The
original German word sounds something like "fuck" and means something
like "nail".  Now I heard a rumor about Geocities in a lawsuit with a
Frankfurter...

Mara.
-- 
***I get my kicks above the waistline, Sunshine.***

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Everyone should check this site http://www.stampvote.msn.com/usps/usps.asp

Cast your vote for the Hip Hop Culture stamp to represent Arts & Entertainment
of the '80s!!! 

Here's what the Postal Service has to say about it...

Hugz,
Tanya :)

__________________________________



Hip Hop Culture

* By the 1980s, hip-hop had become a dynamic culture shaped by black style,
nationalism, and street smarts. It began in the early 1970s as youthful party
"jams" in the South Bronx. DJs spun record turntables while an MC (master of
ceremonies) "kicked" (rapped) rhymes to the beat.

* DJs unified hip-hop culture. DJs like Kool Herc coined the term "B-boys"
(Break-boys). Grandmaster Flash popularized "scratching" (scratching a record
with the needle of a record player). Afrika Bambaataa started the Zulu Nation.
He believed that competing in art, dance, and music would keep violent gangs
from fighting each other in the streets. DJs took the funkiest part of a
record (the "break") and added it to their own songs.

* Disc jockeying, break dancing, graffiti, and rap music were all elements of
hip-hop culture.
 
* In the early 1980s, rap music went mainstream. Rap's rhythmic style
developed from African-American oral traditions, verbal dueling, and even
girls' game-songs.

* The 1979 hit "Rapper's Delight" and groups like Run-D.M.C. brought hip-hop
to interracial audiences. Different kinds of rap music also developed. Some
rap contained aggressive lyrics, some was political, and some was party-oriented.

* Hip-hop culture influenced dress and language -- it's "def" (cool) to be
"chillin'" (hanging out) with your "crew" (friends). Popular gear included
hooded sweatshirts, baggy pants, brand-name sneakers, backward baseball caps,
and signature haircuts.

* By the decade's end, hip-hop had affected the international scene. 

Encarta® Concise Encyclopedia. © 1993-1998 Microsoft Corporation. All rights
reserved.

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This kid is *weird*... check the links out if you are bored..
try and read this message if you haven't got shit ta do for
a long while... How this showed up in my box, I have no idea..
I'm not subbed to any lists with the Antiorp crew anymore..
but if you linguists out their have yet to cross their paths, enjoy..
(yes, this is a collective of industial musicians that write like this)..


o0o[qiB.]o0o

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>>From: one38@one38.org
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>>subscribe one38@one38.org
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>
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>append
>
>
>>> > From :Christopher Murtagh <chris@music.mcgill.ca>
>>> >and now you can add one38 to that list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >Your friendly digital murderer,
>
>
>Christopher Murtagh <chris@music.mcgill.ca>
>
>
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>>>
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>>>found
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>>
>>???
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>
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i think you should slip her some roofies and have sex with her.





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>	wrong.
>	jane's songs are riddled through the powell & peralta
>	skateboard demo tapes as well as commercials (and soundtrack
>	compilations) for espn's x-games AND in ads for burton
>	snowboards...
>
>	as for the d.k's... i'm a LONGtime fan, but i doubt anyone
>	has ever offered a third party deal to these cats.
>	THEY'D take it if anyone did.
>

ok #1 there is no way in the world that jello or the dk s would ever cut 
a deal like that the thought sickens me and as far as taking the money 
goes i dont believe in holding a grudge against pop culture if you make 
some music and it gets mass exposure cool great but the thing is that 
with big buisness they will screw your asshole 3 sizes up if they can 
get any money out of it which means that your dealin with s.o.b.s that 
will could get your song playing for all sorts of organizations/products 
that not only do you not stand for but are very much against thus the 
arguement against big biz

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where did the refrence 4:20 come from?

If any of you crazy kids knows where it began, I'm a bit curious...  
   
Jen

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How dare you make such an accusation of my hero and mentor.
(I hope it really didn't suck-stranger things have happened though)
What album was it off of-"Consumed"??
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>i saw a plastik man video on mtv's the amp last nite.  man, does his new
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just wondering what exactly the big deal is about this lineup.  Someone tell
me what I'm missing..
Spacegirl...........yawn....give me a spice girl instead
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>anybody goin to be at this ??????
>and btw the 6th is 11 days away
>this weekend is the 27th next is the 6th
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>> The Meaning Of Life
>>    A Goodfellaz Gathering
>>    Nashville, Tennessee
>>    March 6th, 1999 A.D.
>>    25$ at the door, $20 with a pre-party ticket stub
>>    Marathon Village  1305 Clinton Avenue
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>>    Terrance Parker - Intangible Records, Detroit
>>    Scott Henry - Fever Buzz, Baltimore
>>    Space Girl - EDM Records, Russia, NYC
>>    Swamp - '97-'98 DMC Champ - L.A.
>>    Shortkutt - Invisible Skratch Piklz - San Fran
>>    DJ Lars - MTV's RealWorld, Berlin, NYC
>>    Samm-e, Roll-x, Ulysis - 4 turntable tag team, Atlanta
>>    Trevor Lamont - Soul Society/God's House, KY
>>    6 Tuntable Exibition - Flagrant, Blue and Ginsu on 6 Tuntables!!!!!!!
>>    Dorian - C.E.O. Goodfellaz Midwest
>>    Ashley Powers - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
>>    Lovebomb - Wondertwins, Goodfellaz Midwest
>>Flex - Sky Baby, NYC
>>    Taeo - St. Louis
>>    Soundcat - C.A.A., Cincy
>>    Egon - 91.1 WRVU Nashville
>>    Blue and Ginsu - Hip Hop Freaky Nikky
>>    Jadin - Nashville
>>    Quaid - P.M. Crew, Nashville
>>    Flagrant - Goodfellaz, Nashville
>>    Spoon - Lil' Diva, Nashville
>>        Matthew (aka DJ Bam Bam) - U.M.A., Goodfellaz, Lil Diva, Nashville
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>>    Info-lines: 615-817-6869 and 615-271-9468
>>   Friday March 5th Pre-Party for The Meaning Of Life
>>   A Goodfellaz Gathering
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>>   Terry Mullen - Catalyst, Chicago
>>   Cyberjive - Dustraxx, New Orleans House Project
>>   X-ian - C.B.S., Cincy
>>   Brad Robinson - San Fran
>>   Jamin - NYC
>>   MKII And Dorian - Special ambient jungle tag team
>>   Roger - Atlanta
>> Jeremy - Atlanta
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>>   Call info-line for pre-party location
>>   Attendance to the Pre-Party will give you a discount at the main
event!!
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>>   After Party to be thrown by Last Minute Productions 4:19
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>>   Vendors aer all welcome but you MUST call the info line and let us know
>at
>>least 2      days before the main event
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>>    This will be a VERY special event
>>    There will be 4 MAIN ROOMS at this event
>>    Attendance to the pre-party will give you a discount at the main event
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>>   Directions: Get on I-40 heading to downtown Nashville.
>>                    Get off at Church/Charlotte.
>>                    Go East on Charlotte Ave.
>>                    Then turn left on 11th Avenue
>>                    Clinton Avenue is on your left
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Drink up Kidz...
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when scream pounced onto the scene... the horror film was revamped... take
three of the same (Age 16+) generational sitcoms... grab their stars... throw
them in a movie with a homicidal maniac... add some witty yet pointless
dialogue... and go.

now i will admit... scream was an enjoyable albeit pointless waste of two
hours of my time... at the end of the movie... about the only thing i was
enlightened to was how much special k had rooted itself into pop culture.  it
was an affirmation of things i already knew... done slickly and packaged
neatly... a retrospective off a part of a generation's life.  we salivate on
cue to reference points in our own nostalgia.  (snorks!  bwahaha  pengo!
bwhahaha)

these things sell.  kind of like fatboy slim.  music which clearly is a
retrospective.  Take the drum stylings of early producers such as mantronix,
marley marl, and prince paul... follow the 'big ass breakdown' predictability
chart of early club hits that pioneered such structure and have now been
played to death... add a cute, kitchy quirkiness and wah la... 90's pop.
salivate to formerly unacceptable forms of music in their proper context.

someone here mentioned norman cook's words of "i'm living my dreams, getting
paid and getting laid."  

dreams are the stuff music are made of.  And how many times over can you say
the same thing... "She's my cherry pie."  "I'm hooked on a feeling."  "Check
it out now, the funk soul brother."  "I can't fight this feeling anymore."
"We've been a long long way together."  "Pour some liquor on the ground for
the homies who ain't here."
the backdrop... capitalist society... making money... getting high... getting
laid... whoo hoo good time.

Then i think of underground resistance.  Hard motherfucking landscapes gutted
by cold logic... every time i lean my head into that fucking matrix... i come
out skewed slanted... able to change... to break from my animalism into
something more... a change, a message, a foothold in the evolution of man...
art.

and while norman cook's anglo-saxon rape (hate to say it... but what is it?)
of a culture gets him money... and he runs around scheduling pay per view
events with armand van helden...

soldiers in detroit still fight to be heard above the din of corporate
sabotage.

>> Tyree Guyton is fighting for the right to to stay and develop the land he
has maintained for over 12 years and move forward with our long-standing plans
for community development, programs for children and neighborhood
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It isn't time related. As the story goes, it *was* the police code
(in san fran) for marijuana smoking in progress..

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4:20 was the time the Deadheads did their shit back in the day so it would hit
'em just in time for the 6:00 show. 

At least that's what I've heard.

Hugz,
Tanya :)

Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:
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> where did the refrence 4:20 come from?
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> If any of you crazy kids knows where it began, I'm a bit curious...
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> Jen

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>i think you should slip her some roofies and have sex with her.


Ya.. YA!!! and then take her into a park, beat her up and leave her
for dead!!! Can't have rape without murder, can we ;) ... don't
forget to take her wallet while you are at it...

If you brag loud enough about this, you might get an honorary
membership into the BTS...

just my $.23

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Other theories (taken from http://www.420.com FAQ) is:


1. What does "420" mean?
            
Basically it means "time to smoke pot" or "pot smoking," as 4:20 is usually
done at 4:20 PM or AM.
            
But there's more to it than that. In fact, there are several different
versions of the origin of "420."

"420" was allegedly a police code for "marijuana smoking in progress" in
certain California counties. (Another variation of the myth, from the book
Storming Heaven-LSD and the American Dream and written by Jay Stevens, says
that the first dose of LSD was taken by Albert Hofmann at 4:20 PM.) At any
rate, some smokers began to use "420" to refer to their own "marijuana smoking
in progress." It wasn't long before 4:20 became "tea-time" for many people who
began to enjoy using "let's 420" instead of "let's smoke some pot."

After awhile, April 20 (4/20) began to take on some significance and became
known as "The Stoner New Year." Even more bizarre, some people began to
develop a "420 fetish." They formed "420 Clubs" instead of Bong Teams, smoking
only at 4:20 AM and PM, waiting all day before they lit up a joint (or bong or
whatever), and would wake up at 4:20 AM to indulge.

There has even been a 4:20 backlash. People have formed "8:40 Clubs," where
they smoke twice as much as people do at 4:20. They have smoked out at 2:10,
to get an early jump. They smoke every hour on the hour at twenty minutes
past, since it's always 4:20 somewhere. Meanwhile entire industries have grown
up around the "420" banner. There is a 420 Records, a "420 Productions," and
of course, a www.420.com Web site.

Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:
> 
> where did the refrence 4:20 come from?
> 
> If any of you crazy kids knows where it began, I'm a bit curious...
> 
> Jen

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The Love Party
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4-20 is the cops code for a marijuana possession.  Like a 10-4 is a good-bye.
10-4,
Lisa



> where did the refrence 4:20 come from?
>  
>  If any of you crazy kids knows where it began, I'm a bit curious...  
>     
>  Jen

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yeah... the linup isn't too exciting really.

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sorry to post such blatantly not rave-related schtuff, but i know that i
can get dependable answers from all of you intelligent, competent
computer-heads (does that make up for the bandwith wasted?).....
ok. now for the question...
since i've had a computer, ive been all about being pc literate. windows,
all that good (or bad) stuff...and im planning on getting a new computer
(also on that platform). BUT, i just read somewhere that the school I am
planning on attending next fall (UW-Madison) is mostly or all
Mac......soo..longstory short(ha!) how much will this affect me as a
windows user in a mac world?
thankyouverymuch,
valerie
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4/20 is my birthday.

send me some motherfuckin' presents.

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just happened to be reading an article with bryan gee of v classics.  this
statement stuck out, seems like the good&simple ethic:

'we can keep it as underground as possible and make the commercial come to
the underground.'

{xenon}


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>ya think jello would take a deal if Miller Genuine Draft offered him a large
>sum of money?  how about a small sum of money?  say $50?
>
>i guess my point is.. it depends on the product.  i don't think DKs would
sell
>themselves like that, unless they were for the cause.
>
>but hey, i've been wrong before!
>jon/dica

I think im gonna agree with you there...although punk rock itself has a
certain unrealistic sense about it that sometimes makes you wanna say
"PUHLEEEESE.....thats so full of shit, they'd take the money.." i.e.Green
Day, theres something about not only Jello Biafra but the real punk rock
that isnt (ready for this one?) "mainstream" (for lack of a better
word)that holds a kind of sacredness that no one wants to touch...

wow that was a part of me I kind of forgot about...the punk rock faith? in
me? again?..hmmmm.....
I guess all im saying is there are some places commercialism and greed and
THE MAN (love it!) dont go. These are the places held sacred....the stuff
that would really break your heart if it was bastardized. 
val
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I've heard most of those theories, mainly the police code one.  I've done
extensive personal research on the origin of this phrase.  Including being
arrested 8 times in five different states.  Every cop i've asked has no clue
what 4:20 means.  This leads me to believe that the claim of it being a
police code is false.  One even told me that there WAS a code for marijuana
use in progress and it was like 372 or something.
I've travelled with the Rainbow family and you bet your ass I asked them.
While I was a a little "raved-up" (=way strung out on LSD & MDMA) for the
Rainbows, in the short time I stayed I asked two pot afficianados named Bear
and Jasper what the origin was.  I was given two answers...One said that 420
was the area code for Orange County California where, as you probably know,
massive (I mean MASSIVE!) amounts of marijuana come from.  The other told me
that it was the amount of chemicalos in Cannibus Sativa (420).
I tend to believe that it was a spin-off of the international tea-time.  If
anyone has read "The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglass Adams, you
know that in that book a super-computer is constructed to figure out the
question to the answer of life....which not so coincidentially is 42 (0).
The number has haunted and daunted me for three years now and shows up in my
daily life many times a day in a plethora of forms.  I would like to know
the truth just as much as you my friend.
My 4.20 cents worth...
willebear@mindspring.com
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>Other theories (taken from http://www.420.com FAQ) is:
>
>
>1. What does "420" mean?
>
>Basically it means "time to smoke pot" or "pot smoking," as 4:20 is usually
>done at 4:20 PM or AM.
>
>But there's more to it than that. In fact, there are several different
>versions of the origin of "420."
>
>"420" was allegedly a police code for "marijuana smoking in progress" in
>certain California counties. (Another variation of the myth, from the book
>Storming Heaven-LSD and the American Dream and written by Jay Stevens, says
>that the first dose of LSD was taken by Albert Hofmann at 4:20 PM.) At any
>rate, some smokers began to use "420" to refer to their own "marijuana
smoking
>in progress." It wasn't long before 4:20 became "tea-time" for many people
who
>began to enjoy using "let's 420" instead of "let's smoke some pot."
>
>After awhile, April 20 (4/20) began to take on some significance and became
>known as "The Stoner New Year." Even more bizarre, some people began to
>develop a "420 fetish." They formed "420 Clubs" instead of Bong Teams,
smoking
>only at 4:20 AM and PM, waiting all day before they lit up a joint (or bong
or
>whatever), and would wake up at 4:20 AM to indulge.
>
>There has even been a 4:20 backlash. People have formed "8:40 Clubs," where
>they smoke twice as much as people do at 4:20. They have smoked out at
2:10,
>to get an early jump. They smoke every hour on the hour at twenty minutes
>past, since it's always 4:20 somewhere. Meanwhile entire industries have
grown
>up around the "420" banner. There is a 420 Records, a "420 Productions,"
and
>of course, a www.420.com Web site.
>
>Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> where did the refrence 4:20 come from?
>>
>> If any of you crazy kids knows where it began, I'm a bit curious...
>>
>> Jen


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Could this be the largest waste of bandwidth EVER????

Was this supposed to go PUBLIC?????

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:07:40 -0500 "Pixie" <pixie@bluegrass.net> writes:
>so would you like to meet up at mike and shannons again sometime so we 
>can
>continue this?
>you had me there for a sec, i'm thinking "where the hell have i met 
>this
>guy...he knows my name, dammit!!"
>
>
>
>>well, when you know what they do... you don't really :)
>
>
>so are you saying that you know what i do? what my problem was (and 
>now that
>i've gotten a more involved e-mail from you, i'll elaborate) is that 
>you
>responded to the firl who originally posted that if ravers were to 
>stop
>doing so many drugs, they could afford the parties. i had a problem 
>with
>that, simply because that was not the issue at hand. she didn't want 
>to talk
>about druggie ravers, she wanted to talk about the rising costs in 
>parties.
>
>>same here... for a while i went to parties and made money there by 
>selling
>>mix-tapes and t-shirts, or doing sound for a brief period... so for a 
>while
>>parties sustained me financially... i guess i am lucky, but now that 
>i do
>>neither, i don't go out... and if i do, it is usually to parties 
>where i am
>on
>>the guestlist... cause i can't afford to go, and if friends don't go 
>with
>me,
>>i can't afford gas to get there... as of now, bills and gas take up 
>all my
>>money... i live off peanut butter sandwiches and ramen noodles... 
>mmmm...
>>and if i have money, i treat myself to some taco bell
>
>
>believe me i'm right there with you. we're trying to move into a new 
>place,
>and with bills and such, its just not possible to go as much as i used 
>to.
>besides, with the current state of things, you have to be picky about 
>what
>you go to, so that you know that you got your money's worth from the
>promoter
>
>>well, in a way, they do have to throw them a certain way to prevent 
>losing
>>their ass... or to get kids to come... also, some promoters make a 
>living
>off
>>of it, so they need to make money, or they are in a hurting... true, 
>sucess
>is
>>in the eye of the beholder, but who wants to throw out say $10,000 of 
>their
>>hard earned cash, never to get any back... i did a few parties, yes, 
>i lost
>>money, but when i look back i feel that they were both sucessful, 
>lots of
>>people had a good time, got to hear good music in this town of 
>louisville
>for
>>a change...i got to hang with friends of mine...
>
>
>i couldn't agree more. and i also understand that with the growing
>popularity of raves, the notoriety grows too, and space owners are 
>now
>either uncooperative, or they charge out the ass for spaces in order 
>to
>cover their own risks. what i'm talking about are promoters who feel 
>that
>there is one specific formula to a successful party. i would consider 
>a
>party's level of success by how well the dj's spun, how much the kids
>enjoyed it, and whether or not security issues were dealt with 
>properly. in
>that order. some people feel that in order to have a successful party, 
>you
>have to have 8 big name headliners: 2 house, 2 jungle,  etc 
>etc....massive
>lighting and sound...you know what i'm trying to say. promoters who 
>step
>outside of the norm and try to bring a variety to their parties vs 
>those who
>stick with the same formula every time.
>
>>it affects you more than you think... most big american djs can play 
>here
>or
>>there... europe can pay more, so domestic promoters have to pay more 
>to get
>>them, therefore the cost of the party starts to rise... good sounds 
>bumps
>up
>>the price... flights, hotels... flyers... lights... lazers visuals... 
>etc
>>etc... if you are lucky you can get deals on people, and many smaller 
>djs
>will
>>cut you deals, as will many djs if you deal direct... but some tell 
>you to
>>talk to their agent only... would you pay $1500 for gene ferris? i
>wouldn't...
>>also, the US is really just a few years behind europe scene wise... 
>it is
>more
>>like different events, thrown in the exact same venue... clubs and
>>festivals... this is what is to expect, how ever... there is a less
>>commericially lucrative market in europe... squatter parties...
>
>
>point made and taken.
>
>
>>>  once again, no i don't. boy you really think you know me, don't 
>you?
>>
>>you might be suprised amy... haha... oops
>
>
>ok, as i said, this here freaked me out. so apparently you do know of 
>me. my
>point, however, is that you said that we expect the papparazi to 
>leave
>celebrities alone, but we buy the magazines. i don't. amanda does (she 
>buys
>N Sync stuff) but i don't. i'm not really into mainstream pop culture
>(unless thats what raving is considered now) and there aren't many
>"celebrities" that i even pay any attention to,  much less buy 
>magazines
>about. but i think i'm nitpicking the point here, too.
>
>>wow, i am unpopular....
>
>no not unpopular, its just that most of the responses you made before 
>now
>were short and rather "in your face" granted, mine were too, but you 
>had me
>all riled up. now that i have this e-mail with a bit more lengthy
>discussions about what you think, it makes a lot more sense. the past 
>few
>had more of a tone of "well you do too many drugs thats why you can't 
>afford
>the parties" and that upset me because, granted, that is the case a 
>lot of
>times, but how do you say something like that to someone on a list who 
>you
>don;t know personally (maybe you do know her personally, in which 
>case, i
>was way off base all along) but it just irritated me to see someone 
>ask a
>valid question, and there be made a crackhead raver reference in 
>response
>
>>my opinions are based on my experiences... i really
>>don't care if people agree with me or not... as for ways to get 
>prices
>down...
>>picking up tours is a good way, also so is getting rid of 
>guestlists... and
>a
>>prude sense of money when dealing with space owners... just be sure 
>you
>have
>>an uncle or friend or relative that is lawyer, and would help you 
>back up
>your
>>legal beef... also, relatives or friends as travel agents can help 
>to, for
>all
>>you budding promoters, talk to some agencies or companies who buy 
>left over
>>plane tickets in bulk, they usually sell cheaper than what the 
>airline
>willl
>>cause they get a deal... especially handy when dealing with 
>international
>>travel... another way is long term investments... buy ing your own 
>small
>>sounds system helps, when you are using it, rent it out to others...
>>
>>
>
>>
>>well, worth is all determined by the viewer... most people go to what 
>they
>>feel is worth it... whether it be a large party, or a small party.... 
>i
>mean,
>>a party with djs i like, i wouldn't mind paying for... but if it is a 
>$25
>>party with paul johnson, terry mullan, frankie bones, dieselboy, 
>danny the
>>wildchild, feelgood, phantom 45, icey, rabbit in the moon, atomic 
>babies,
>adam
>>x, aphrodite, and odi.... well i think there would prolly be tons of 
>people
>>who rush to see it, however, i wouldn't go to that party for $10, i 
>don't
>feel
>>like listening to such crap, not my thing... but, you might disagree, 
>is
>all a
>>matter of personal taste on worth
>
>
>point well made and taken.
>
>
>>can't or won't pay does affect why there are $25 every weekend, 
>cause
>>people will pay it... if you want to know why more promoters don't 
>throw
>less
>>expensive events, well, i can think of a few reasons, a) not enough 
>money
>>generated b) can't afford to c) no one comes d) competition from 
>near-by
>>cities or even in your own city e) the line up you want to do can't 
>break
>even
>>at a reason price even if it is locals, venue cost, sound cost, 
>etc...  it
>is
>>hard to do $10-$12 events and continue to do them... my friend an i
>>discovered we couldn't do an event under $3000... and even if we did 
>them
>>for $12, we weren't gonna break even... cause we didn't have enough 
>>people
>come to our events... cause we brought in people we wanted to
>>see, not the people at these $25 events... i feel the biggest 
>reasons
>people >don't do the $10 events is there is no money or fame in it, 
>most
>kids that >started throwing parties now to get recognition and 
>money... me
>and my >friends threw our first party cause we thought it would be a 
>funny
>to see a >party named that... and in all my days, i never saw but one 
>party
>with a >dumber name than >moo cow corn... and that was eep op ork 
>ah... but
>i think >these parties don't get the support theyshould, people have
>submitted to the >idea if the party isn't $25 that something is wrong, 
>or it
>won't be "phat" or they >would rather save their money till the next 
>$25
>party came around so they >could get more bang fortheir buck
>
>so why didn't you say all that in the first place...instead of saying 
>that
>if people did less drugs, they could afford more parties. this is very 
>true,
>but everything you just wrote was a much more informative response to 
>the
>question at hand.
>
>>
>>maybe in the end it is all hype that matters you know?
>>
>>a small party, with a flier that really hypes up the performers and 
>the
>fact
>>of the price usually can do okay... and serve as maybe an education
>tool....
>>good promotion can really help a party, and if you are willing to 
>bust your
>>ass, you can even get out of a $10 with no finacial risk...  i would 
>say
>>positive kids in chiacgo are a perfect example of this... positive
>thursday,
>>and a few small cheaper parties... built them a reputation up... and 
>they
>do
>>big parties now, kids love them... but they still do the thursday 
>events...
>>parties are subjective issues... as is the price...pay what you feel
>something
>>is worth... and maybe, if someone isn't doing something in that area 
>like
>>that, get on the ball and do it yourself... idle bitching 
>accomplishes
>>nothing... action counts... do it yourself...
>>
>
>been workin on it ya know. or were you not paying attention the last 
>time i
>saw you at mike's? (j/k that was meant to be lighthearted, not a jab) 
>most
>of our discussion has been centering around what ideas we have to get 
>our
>own thing started because, as i always say, if you want it done right, 
>do it
>yourself.
>
>thanks for the response, i'm not all pissed off at you now. i know 
>you
>probably don't care, but i thought it'd be nice to know.
>see you soon, i'm sure =)
>@my
>
>

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Move then bbbeeeeoootttcchhhh!!!!!

I know how ya feel.....but I like cold.
Sun is too happy.

>this really sucks yo , after 3 days in the sunny sun of california im 
>back in
>this god damn chicago shithole .... 
>fuckin suxs , from shorts to big ass jackets ...
>oh well i ll stop my bitching ...
>alex
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I really hope yer kiddin'.

If not...come cry on daddy's shoulder.

Somebody help this kid.

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this was posted on Pb-Cle and peepz have said the promoters are into
overcrowding and other types of ill shit. its a phat line up. take it for whut
itz worth

GabrieL


**************************************
Local 13 Invites You To Blow That Whistle One More Time!!!
Whistle 2** May 29th
215-552-8135(Philadelphia PA)
www.Local13.com
**************************************
Room 1(Superdome)
Green Velvet-Live
Josh Wink
Jon The Dentist
Bad Boy Bill
*Old Skool Tag Team*
DJ Dan vs Simply Jeff
Nigel Richards
Pat Egan
Mark Bee
**************************************
Room 2(Pleasuredome)
Armand Van Helden
John Aquaviva
DJ Sneak
DJ Icey
Scott Henry
Chalres Feelgood
Pete Moss
Robbie Tronco
**************************************
Room 3(D&BDome)
DJ SS
Sniper w/ MC Rekka
Dieselboy w/ MC Dub2
Danny The Wildchild
Phantom 45
Freaky Flow & J Smooth w/ MC Flipside
**************************************
Room 4(Old Skool Dome)
Frankie Bones
Felix Da House Cat
Osheen
T-1000
Atomic Babies
Adam X
Mark Verbos
**************************************
Room 5(Thunderdome)
Lenny Dee
Rob Gee
Narotic
Manu Malin
Delta 9
Seige
DJ Venom -Special Happy Hardcore Set
**************************************

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maybe i've missed something from deleting so many messages, but isn't 
the meaning of life march 6th?  that's like 11 days away.  or it better 
be, cause if not i'm in trouble! 

PLoveUR
-crystal
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i kinda like when i get lotz of mail   :)
Doug E Forrester wrote:
> 
> When you have more than 100 messages in one day from mw-raves....
> 
> TRUNKout   ( http://welcome.to/mobass.com)
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> ahhhhhhh now how long have i been waitin fer this one to finally come out
>  <lookz over at dica>....

yer lookin at the right feller!  although i didn't pick it up today..
hopefully this week i'll be grabbin it (and the lauryn hill album!)

>  well i must say its well worth the wait.....

glad to hear it!  the two or three songs i've heard from it thus far have been
AWESOME.

>  ? also does his thing on a few tracks, adding some sound effects
(scratching,
>  beat juggling..etc) by only using his voice*...wooohaaa...you will be
really
>  surprised to find out its not a real dj doing all those effects...=)

yeah, that shit is SICK on illadelph.  something that definitely MUST be
heard.

>  i definitely recommend this album if you like hiphop*.....=)

i figure, the roots can do no wrong!

(but of course, they're sellouts, cuz they're on a major label.)

jd

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damn now that is 1 phat lineup, wish i had the $$$ for a road trip to
philly

GNM3744@aol.com wrote:
> 
> this was posted on Pb-Cle and peepz have said the promoters are into
> overcrowding and other types of ill shit. its a phat line up. take it for whut
> itz worth
> 
> GabrieL
> 
> **************************************
> Local 13 Invites You To Blow That Whistle One More Time!!!
> Whistle 2** May 29th
> 215-552-8135(Philadelphia PA)
> www.Local13.com
> **************************************
> Room 1(Superdome)
> Green Velvet-Live
> Josh Wink
> Jon The Dentist
> Bad Boy Bill
> *Old Skool Tag Team*
> DJ Dan vs Simply Jeff
> Nigel Richards
> Pat Egan
> Mark Bee
> **************************************
> Room 2(Pleasuredome)
> Armand Van Helden
> John Aquaviva
> DJ Sneak
> DJ Icey
> Scott Henry
> Chalres Feelgood
> Pete Moss
> Robbie Tronco
> **************************************
> Room 3(D&BDome)
> DJ SS
> Sniper w/ MC Rekka
> Dieselboy w/ MC Dub2
> Danny The Wildchild
> Phantom 45
> Freaky Flow & J Smooth w/ MC Flipside
> **************************************
> Room 4(Old Skool Dome)
> Frankie Bones
> Felix Da House Cat
> Osheen
> T-1000
> Atomic Babies
> Adam X
> Mark Verbos
> **************************************
> Room 5(Thunderdome)
> Lenny Dee
> Rob Gee
> Narotic
> Manu Malin
> Delta 9
> Seige
> DJ Venom -Special Happy Hardcore Set
> **************************************

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Heya all...

I'm planning on personalizing the lammies for the net party with whatever 
each of you want to be...i.e. email addy, name, nick-name... so, I would
like to propose two things:

1)  If you HAVE already registered on the web-site for the party, could you
     drop me an email to let me know what name you would prefer?
     Please drop a line to Darian.Nagle@mci.com with "NET NAME"
     as the subject.

2)  If you HAVENT already registered at:
     << http://csclub.stthomas.edu/~johnc/netparty.html >>
     Please do so asap and make sure you type in the 'handle' field what 
     name you would like on your lammie and it shall be done.

Any questions?  Send em my way =)

Shanks!     ~Darian~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Work like you don't need the money, 
Love like you've never been hurt, 
And dance like no one's watching    :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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suposedly 4:20 is 

the police code for marijuana use in some states (like 311 is the police 
code for indecent exposure in some state) 

the time at which some high school or college got out

just a damn good time to smoke weed

workin hard on smokin myself smart back from smokin myself retarded
-pcp

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What is the deal on this party.  Any details yet??? I signed up, but I
didn't really know what it was all about n e info would be great
Stumps

NeXXus8@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Heya all...
> 
> I'm planning on personalizing the lammies for the net party with whatever
> each of you want to be...i.e. email addy, name, nick-name... so, I would
> like to propose two things:
> 
> 1)  If you HAVE already registered on the web-site for the party, could you
>      drop me an email to let me know what name you would prefer?
>      Please drop a line to Darian.Nagle@mci.com with "NET NAME"
>      as the subject.
> 
> 2)  If you HAVENT already registered at:
>      << http://csclub.stthomas.edu/~johnc/netparty.html >>
>      Please do so asap and make sure you type in the 'handle' field what
>      name you would like on your lammie and it shall be done.
> 
> Any questions?  Send em my way =)
> 
> Shanks!     ~Darian~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Work like you don't need the money,
> Love like you've never been hurt,
> And dance like no one's watching    :)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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BASS 99
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 04:38:09 1999
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I feel that there is/was the whole punk rock ethic in this scene when I first
started in it.
When I got involved in this scene punk rock was suffering it's first wave of
Nirvana bullshit sell out stuff.  I got really pissed off when the Red Hot
Chilipeppers sold the fuck out, Blood Sugar Sex Magic is by far the worst album
they ever fucking made.  That was it, it was over....bam i turned 18 and this
whole fucking rave bug bit me on the ass.....
the music stirred the same things in me that punk and ska did, some crazy deep
down emotions that i remembered from the punk scene. then i watched that scene
turn to shit from this saturation of 15 year old little jock fuckers that all of
a sudden were grunge/punk.
it stirred these feeling that i am sure that the old school punkers (circa
70's-80's) felt when they were involved in thier scene.
my biggest problem/fear is that this scene is/will crumble under all these Fat
Boy Slim types.
I never expected to see what i saw happen to the punk scene out here, it was
fucking depressing.
I don't really want to feel that way again...though i know that this scene always
goes through phases, i don't know if it can survive the media machine that is
MTV.
I guess you know it is going to be over if you hear a Woody McBride track on your
local big time top 40 radio station.  It will definitely be over once you hear a
hardcore track on your local big time radio station.
Does anyone else feel kinda scared about Omar Santana and all his hook ups in
mainstream music?
And for the record....Jello is still god...
Jello for president in 2000....
why not Minnesotta's got Jessy the Body....


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oh yeah, didya notice in the text about the first track, they mention
Jungle/Drum-n-bass, house and "electric" music?
like, it was about how african music is made, but like, slowly it's thrown
away by it's people.. like, i can't remember exactly.  buy the album 'n read
the thing..
they said something like "..and at raves, you see 0 blacks"...


-charles-

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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Phillip Prentice wrote:

> suposedly 4:20 is 
> 
> the police code for marijuana use in some states (like 311 is the police 
> code for indecent exposure in some state) 

haha
that's where the band claims they got their name.
others, however, claim that it's proof that the band members are part of
the kkk.  k is the 11th letter in the alphabet.  3k.  hmmm.....
believe what you will
i for one burned my copy of 311 "music" and will deny that it's one of my
all-time favorites till the end.
**doris** "my address was 420 Greene last year"  non-woo


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Ok I thought I heard somewhere somebody said something like 420 was the
secret police code for marijuana use..  Also I think I read somewhere that
4:20 was a special time when everybody used to smoke marijuana for a variety
of reasons.  Maybe it was in a dream, maybe it wasn't I don't know but for
some reason these two explanations of 420 seem to keep reappearing in my
head over and over and over and over and over again..  Wait a minute!!! I
got it, it's the mw-raves list, it just keeps happening on here!!! Oh geez I
thought I was going crazy or something, whew thank heavens I just realized
that I just read the same 2 definitions for what 420 was, like 20 times a
piece!  I can now sleep, g'nite.

=)'s
curtis


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There are rumors starting that Hardfloor will not be at Live on the Decks
II
in Chicago this coming weekend...

Anybody no anything?

thanks,
*HUGS* and *KISSES*
ANIMAL

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'Sup!  A question for all the DJs out there - 
my crappy headphones finally broke, and i'm looking to get a really nice
new pair.  I've heard the Stanton DJ PRO 1000 are the best...but can
anyone offer me suggestions about this or any other model that I should
get?

Thanks!

peace
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The greatest of all faults is to be conscious of none. 
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> damn now that is 1 phat lineup, wish i had the $$$ for a road trip to
> philly

Most kids out here aren't familiar with the east coast promotional scene,
so I won't start yelling too loud, but I have just one thing to say to
anyone planning on attending a Local 13 party... STAY THE FUCK HOME.  The
worst chi-town promoter you can think of *might* be in the same league as
local.13.  Trust an ex-east coast kid.. there are better parties to go to
than a bunk local.13 "rave".

</RANT>
-pete
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> It will definitely be over once you hear a hardcore track on your local
> big time radio station.

FUCK NO!  I can't WAIT until I can hear hardcore on the radio.. the
hardcore/gabber scene down here in urbana is nonexistent, and there's only
so many times I can listen to the 50 rekkidz I have before getting bored.
If I could tune into some station and listen to some wikked chewns
whenever I wanted??  <DROOOOOOoOOOOoooOOOL>

..and I thought I wasn't going to reply to yet another "sell out" thread..

-pete
-- 
[ FiZ / peter@pubnix.org / http://www.pubnix.org/~peter/fiz.html ]


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At 00:01 24-2-99 -0500, you wrote:

>'Sup!  A question for all the DJs out there - 
>my crappy headphones finally broke, and i'm looking to get a really nice
>new pair.  I've heard the Stanton DJ PRO 1000 are the best...but can
>anyone offer me suggestions about this or any other model that I should
>get?

Most of the DJs here work with Pioneer SE-450s. They are loud as fuck, and
bend nicely.

Eye-D

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|  T H E   O U T S I D E   A G E N C Y  |
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Up next...
  * Ghetto Safari 6 - Down from the Waist Up

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> THIS EVENT WELL BE TAKEN PLACE HERE IN GOOD OLD CHICAGO THE DATE OF THE
> EVENT IS APRIL 2.THE EVENT WILL BE A SAFE AND LOVEABLY PLACE FOR ALL OF
> YOU A LACE TO FEEL THE LOVE FEEL THE VIBE

> FOR MORE INFO ON THIS OR ANY OTHER EVENT HAPPING IN OR OUT OF CHICAGO
> CHECK OUT THE MUSIK WERKS WEB SITE AT  MUSIK WERKS  OR CALLL THE INFO
> LINES AT 773-213-1630 312-409-9414 OR EMAIL ME BACK YOU HAVE THE ADDRESS
> THIS EVENT WELL BE 10 DOLLORS BEFORE MIDNIGHT OH ONE MORE THING FOR ALL


oh my god.
i'm sorry that this is so completely nrr, but DIDNT THEY TEACH YOU THAT IF
YOU WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO YOUR EVENT YOU SHOULD MASTER THE ENGLISH
LANGUAGE AND PUNCTUATION RULES BEFORE YOU BROADCAST YOUR ADVERTISEMENT IN 
ORDER TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY?
unless of course you're a smelly immigrant, like me.
but GODDAMMIT STOP YELLING AT ME!
posthappy doris = procrastinating doris != studying for midterms


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welp i've gotten a few questions about the heidelberg project so i decided to
hit ya'll up with some deets:

1.  the website = http://www.heidelberg.org  
"We of the Heidelberg Project 
endeavor to promote 
a greater awareness and appreciation 
for the visionaries that evoke change 
and mold the existence and 
progression of all mankind. 
Through education we strive 
to empower artists everywhere 
to take a stand against the 
pragmatic retardation of 
growth and change. 
Jenenne Whitfield, Executive Director"

2.  about organizing a party to benefit it... like i said... my donation from
solar is one that i can do quite easily... and one that fits into my
schedule... unfortunately i also work 40 hours a week... (returning to chicago
thurs. morn directly to work at 8:30 am) and really don't have the energy,
sanity or facilities to organize an event at this time...  but i encourage
anyone to check out the site and either send out some donations... or make it
a point to research this for your next party...

3. my point is this:  i am making 100 dollars to play on a weekday.  other
dj's make 500 during the week to 800-900 on the weekends... i think they could
spare the money if i can.

or can they.

entro
 

 

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In a message dated 2/23/99 6:52:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fmsci@email.msn.com writes:

> Ya.. YA!!! and then take her into a park, beat her up and leave her
>  for dead!!! Can't have rape without murder, can we ;) ... don't
>  forget to take her wallet while you are at it...

rapist who murder are more liked by the media than plain ole rapist... i guess
being a rapist just isn't politically correct, but rape murder is okay...

personally, i think we need a new serial killer to strike mass fear into the
populus... much like Son of Sam did to New York...  not a bad idea either... 

course, we could have quite a bit of fun with multiple wars are in a pretty
close area... and that could be something for all us bored midwest folks to
do.... what with the assassination of an iyatola in iraq, the greeks supplying
kurdish terrorist in turkey, and the failed talks in kosovo... think about
it... marshal law is posible!

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Since everyone else is posting March 6th parties, thought I would post mine
as well :) Also just let anyone know if for any reason you don't have
enough money to afford to go, let me know and we can work something out , I
do not ever want people to not go to one of my parties because they cannot
afford to go :) Anyways come prepared to have fun and hear some great music.
love,
-Jeff

On March 6th, 1999 in Ames, Iowa, Subconscious Collective brings you:

				H  O  P  E

featuring in the Main Room, a special line-up of all trance music:

	Dj Dread - V.R./UPTown Underground Records - Stamford,Connecticut
		Trance/Acid Trance
	Dj Spree - Kickin Beats - Minneapolis, MN
		Trancecore
	Roy G. Biv - B.E.E.R. Squad - Fargo, ND
		Hard Acid Trance
	Dj Storm - Milwaukee, WI
		Psychadelic Trance
	Jack The Lad - Subconscious Collective/KURE Radio - Ames, IA
		Progressive House/Acid Trance

and coming in the Second Room:

	MoonRakker - Brothers n' Sistas - Iowa City, IA
		Rollin' Jump Up & Ragga
	Dj Lee - NextLevel Records/International House of Boogie - Omaha, NE
		Techno
	Dj Rek - State of Mind Records - Des Moines, IA
		Speed Garage/House
	JR - Soundproof Coalition - Des Moines, IA
		House/Techno
	Reaktor - Subconscious Collective - Ames, IA
		Gabber/Hardcore
	Cosmo - Subsconsious Collective/KURE Radio - Ames, IA
		House
	TeGek - Subconscious Collective - Ames, IA
		Drum & Bass
	Bay 51 - Subconscious Collectiven - Ames, IA
		Breaks/BreakTrance

Party starts at 10 and will go on till at least 6 the next day.
Admission:$10 w/can of food donation, $12 without
Directions & Info:515-239-4685
Come prepared to have fun all nite, whistles & glow sticks appreciated :-)
Any other questions , email me at jzelnio@iastate.edu.

  -( Subconscious Collective )-
             515-239-4685
-=Next Event:Hope, March 6th=-

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try to build a hardcore scene there.....
or move...
the radio would kill it...
you would see like umm shit some fucked up tour with like ummm i don't know
going from football stadium to football stadium across this country...
good thing that the Big O Tire sponsored tour with Aphex flopped a couple
years ago
whew!

Pete Mannix wrote:

> > It will definitely be over once you hear a hardcore track on your local
> > big time radio station.
>
> FUCK NO!  I can't WAIT until I can hear hardcore on the radio.. the
> hardcore/gabber scene down here in urbana is nonexistent, and there's only
> so many times I can listen to the 50 rekkidz I have before getting bored.
> If I could tune into some station and listen to some wikked chewns
> whenever I wanted??  <DROOOOOOoOOOOoooOOOL>
>
> ..and I thought I wasn't going to reply to yet another "sell out" thread..
>
> -pete
> --
> [ FiZ / peter@pubnix.org / http://www.pubnix.org/~peter/fiz.html ]




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> 	Dj Dread - V.R./UPTown Underground Records - Stamford,Connecticut
> 	Dj Spree - Kickin Beats - Minneapolis, MN
> 	MoonRakker - Brothers n' Sistas - Iowa City, IA
> 	Dj Lee - NextLevel Records/International House of Boogie - Omaha, NE
> 	Reaktor - Subconscious Collective - Ames, IA

Hmm... I wonder where I will be on march 6th?  Fuckin Iowa baby!!!

> Directions & Info:515-239-4685

peas,
-pete
[have I posted enough today?]


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actually, 420 was the width of a hippies rectum in millimeters after getting
ass fucked by jerry garcia...

or was it the length of his penis when he was really stoned?

knowing of the hippies policy of free love, and all that i learned from
watching the 60's on nbc, i would have to agree with the first one, i mean,
hippies all like to give a bit of free love in the bum eh?

why do you think so many say, "um, i was on so many drugs, i really don't
remember the 60's,".... it is true, i am telling you... it was on the 60's on
nbc... and you know network tv doesn't lie and it instills us with good
wholesome morals... 

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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

> welp i've gotten a few questions about the heidelberg project so i decided to
> hit ya'll up with some deets:

> 
> 2.  about organizing a party to benefit it...

> .  but i encourage
> anyone to check out the site and either send out some donations... or make it
> a point to research this for your next party...


nice idea, but i remember reading an article about the heidelberg project
being closed down and all the art being taken down, so there might be
nothing left to benefit.  last thing i heard, people were protesting the
closing of the street, so it might not have gone down after all, but i
wouldn't get my hopes up.
i'll try to dig up the article, but not now, maybe during my next study
break/interruption.
**doris**


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what is everyone's take on white power?

okay, what about black power?

okay, what about white pride?

okay, what about black pride?

just curious

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>nice idea, but i remember reading an article about the heidelberg project
>being closed down and all the art being taken down,

sorta.. the visual art on the street is down, all destroyed by the
city as of 2-3 weeks ago (I'm on the 313 list, they were quite unhappy about
it), but keep in mind that the visual aspect was only
a small portion of what the project was about.. Yes, it represented
the project, but didn't define it..


>so there might be
>nothing left to benefit.

I find the intangibles to be the best things in life to attempt
benefiting...


if you are curious, I have a few emails from the city explaining
why this was done.. but to make a long story short, the people
in the community didn't want it..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 05:44:03 1999
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From: Pete Mannix <peter@pubnix.org>
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> try to build a hardcore scene there.....

You obviously don't know me ;)  
I've thrown all-hardcore parties, I've brought hardcore acts in town for
other events, I've spun hardcore at parties (I spun hardcore/gabber this
past sunday at a club in town), and I've nagged TONS of kids to start
buying & spinning gabber.  I've tried all I can.

> or move...

not an option at the moment.  I'm here for school.

> the radio would kill it...

As I said before, FUCK NO!  From '93-'97 I had various radio shows,
broadcasting everything from goa to gabber to hardstep to minimal tekn0.
>From march '95 until aug '97, my boys ran the Syndicate, broadcasting
underground beats from WJUL in Lowell, Massachusetts every wednesday from
midnight 'till dawn.  By the time we decided to stop doing the show, we
had 300 kids showing up at the studios each week to party, djs coming
unannounced all the time from all over new england just to drop some
chewns.  The problem isn't with the medium (radio, tv, etc), it is with
who controls it.  Step up and take control so you can do things right.  I
don't have the time to run a radio show in town now, but if someone had a
hardcore/gabber show, I'd glue my dial to that station.

peasch,
-pete
-- 
[ FiZ / peter@pubnix.org / http://www.pubnix.org/~peter/fiz.html ]


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 05:45:09 1999
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been there, done that, ain't going there again....finds "ignore thread"
filter....ahhhhh

Husqvarnic@aol.com wrote:

> what is everyone's take on white power?
>
> okay, what about black power?
>
> okay, what about white pride?
>
> okay, what about black pride?
>
> just curious




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 05:49:02 1999
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oh, sorry about the confusion...didn't know all that stuff....
i am mainly referring to like a big top 40 radio station something like KIIS
FM or whatever big time radio station is in your local area.

Pete Mannix wrote:

> > try to build a hardcore scene there.....
>
> You obviously don't know me ;)
> I've thrown all-hardcore parties, I've brought hardcore acts in town for
> other events, I've spun hardcore at parties (I spun hardcore/gabber this
> past sunday at a club in town), and I've nagged TONS of kids to start
> buying & spinning gabber.  I've tried all I can.
>
> > or move...
>
> not an option at the moment.  I'm here for school.
>
> > the radio would kill it...
>
> As I said before, FUCK NO!  From '93-'97 I had various radio shows,
> broadcasting everything from goa to gabber to hardstep to minimal tekn0.
> >From march '95 until aug '97, my boys ran the Syndicate, broadcasting
> underground beats from WJUL in Lowell, Massachusetts every wednesday from
> midnight 'till dawn.  By the time we decided to stop doing the show, we
> had 300 kids showing up at the studios each week to party, djs coming
> unannounced all the time from all over new england just to drop some
> chewns.  The problem isn't with the medium (radio, tv, etc), it is with
> who controls it.  Step up and take control so you can do things right.  I
> don't have the time to run a radio show in town now, but if someone had a
> hardcore/gabber show, I'd glue my dial to that station.
>
> peasch,
> -pete
> --
> [ FiZ / peter@pubnix.org / http://www.pubnix.org/~peter/fiz.html ]




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 05:59:30 1999
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ARE YOU?






BE A LOT COOLER IF YOU WERE

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 06:00:08 1999
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>what is everyone's take on white power?


good..

>okay, what about black power?


good

>okay, what about white pride?


bad

>okay, what about black pride?


bad
---------------------------[eveve]-----------

seriously though.. we are dealing with similar term with radically
different concepts underlining the definitions of what they are..

white power= racism (not literally, but by the conventions
of our social understanding of the term)

black power= empowerment in the sense one would assume white
power to literally mean.. to understand oneself and respect
onself, inspite of what society was (is) telling them (us)..

white pride = white power

black pride =  black power

once again, not literally,but conceptually (in this day and age)..

why the discrepancy between the literal definitions and
conventional conceptions in regards to the white viewpoint?
Probably because they see themselves in a similar light as
the blacks (question: which group used the term first?)...
they see  their threat being the minorities, much as the
threat for the minorities is the majority, but their main solution
involves much more violent methods, and segregational tactics..
concepts that rarely come into the mainstream dogmas of minority
power groups (they might embrace one, but not the other).. why?
who knows.. probably because that is how the
coin fell.. one group comes from above, the other below..

o0o[qiB.]o0o




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 06:02:55 1999
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Sorry about the cross post..

can somebody zip me up a copy of the recycle help file, or
direct me to a location on the net where I can find out information
on how ta utilize this program to its fullest...
The computer I just purchased (used) has a copy of it already
loaded.. but no instructions on how to operate it..

thanx,

o0o[qiB.]o0o




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 06:24:49 1999
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Friday, Feb.26th, 1999, Spin In Productions invites you to

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Featuring DJ's

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anyone who need directions to this, e-mail me, and I will send them.

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Please unsub me from this list. thanks!!

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<not list related, but she needs some help>

A good friend of mine who is going to school in dallas left it up to me,
her computer nerd buddy, to find people to answer the following questions
for a paper or some ish.

Here goes:

1) Describe a time in your life when you have felt very guilty.
2) What was the situation?
3) Do you think you guilt was justified?
4) Describe in as much detail, as you think necessary, how you felt.
5) How did people and the world appear to you?
6) What consequences did your feelings of guilt have?
7) Do you think that you were justified in feeling guilty now?

Anyone who replies can rest asured that their identity will be concealed.
If she actually does use his/her experiences in the research paper, the
names will be altered to protect the innocent... dragnet style.

You can email your replies to hkriege@udallas.edu

She thanks you in advance.

Guiness is my best friend,

Evan B.
ElectroMedia, Ltd.


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if anyone is a dj and is interested in doing samples and scratching for a band
out of the chicagoland area please email combo33cv@aol.com

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 06:33:42 1999
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my best friend's little sister went to the party here in Louisville on
feb.20,(Astro-Glide?), and never came home.  her name is Fiona Sievwright
and I think it was her first party....she's about 5'6", 125... long brown
hair (of Scottish descent).. pretty, brown eyes... and I think 16 or 17.
there is a possibility that she is in cinci or some neighboring city... if
anyone has any info on her, please write back!!!

serena@bluegrass.net


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hey re: the heidelberg project..i happend to possess..well i have them
presently slides on the project...pics from number of years...of
photos....and i also have numerous info on it...i teach the issue in one
of my philosophy classes...and know tyree somewhat..anyway i would be very
interested in helpin organize such a party...

might even have a possible space...

so..anyone interested..contact me privately

P.


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In a message dated 99-02-23 17:42:58 EST, you write:

<< just wondering what exactly the big deal is about this lineup.  Someone
tell
 me what I'm missing..
 Spacegirl...........yawn....give me a spice girl instead >>

if you don't like the line up then don't come, personally I can't WAIT to see
terrence parker and scott henry, but hey, i guess it's just a metter of
personal preference =)
~*HuGz*~    Laine

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Sorry, i think sleep deprivation got the best of my when i was typin this up,
sorry for any confusion =)
~*HuGz*~    Laine


In a message dated 99-02-23 21:37:53 EST, cstites@hotmail.com writes:

<< maybe i've missed something from deleting so many messages, but isn't 
 the meaning of life march 6th?  that's like 11 days away.  or it better 
 be, cause if not i'm in trouble! 
 
 PLoveUR
 -crystal
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well i would disagree...the people in POWER didnt want it...the mayor and
the city council..i would say the art & academic community was very much
in support of tyree guyton's work...and has along history of supporting
it...i fact from what i heard it was the most visited site in detroit
behind the DIA...as far as tourism goes...

P.

p.s. yes most recent things i have heard that a large part of it is
gone...basically everthing that was on public or city property...as far as
tyree or other ppl's property...things are still there...

On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, [.v/jek.] wrote:

> >nice idea, but i remember reading an article about the heidelberg project
> >being closed down and all the art being taken down,
>
> sorta.. the visual art on the street is down, all destroyed by the
> city as of 2-3 weeks ago (I'm on the 313 list, they were quite unhappy about
> it), but keep in mind that the visual aspect was only
> a small portion of what the project was about.. Yes, it represented
> the project, but didn't define it..
>
>
> >so there might be
> >nothing left to benefit.
>
> I find the intangibles to be the best things in life to attempt
> benefiting...
>
>
> if you are curious, I have a few emails from the city explaining
> why this was done.. but to make a long story short, the people
> in the community didn't want it..
>
> o0o[qiB.]o0o
>
>
>
>


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At 12:01 AM 2/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>'Sup!  A question for all the DJs out there - 
>my crappy headphones finally broke, and i'm looking to get a really nice
>new pair.  I've heard the Stanton DJ PRO 1000 are the best...but can
>anyone offer me suggestions about this or any other model that I should
>get?

gary,

I swear by sony's MDR-V6's.  They'll cost you a pretty penny (mine were
$109) but they'll outlive your grandchildren.  There may by other
headphones that sound better but not by very much, and I'd assume that most
djs aren't worried about audiophile quality when they're trying to
beatmatch.  The bass is incredibly clear and loud without losing any of the
mids or highs.  The earpieces fold or rotate in like 5 different places so
no matter how you have them placed on your head they'll stay firmly in
place.  The cord is nice and tough and it's got coils instead of just a
long straight cord that always gets tied in knots.  Sony also makes the
MDR-V600 which is the same speakers but in a bigger plastic housing.  They
cost about $10 less but I have trouble with them falling off my head.  At
any rate I can't say enough good things about the V6's.  The perfect
headphone.

chris

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flowers always cause major shit to fall apart within the next day or 2 in my
experience...
peace
NNOthing

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here's the article i said i'd dig up....even though it's not needed
anymore, since other ppl have been clearing things up.  but it's ok, some
of you might still be interested in reading it.

ok i'm done posting for the day, really now.

---------- Forwarded message ----------

---------- Forwarded message ----------

City begins tearing down Heidelberg Project 

                                                     The Associated Press
                                                        2/4/99 4:46 PM

                         By DAVID GOODMAN 

                         Associated Press Writer 

                         DETROIT (AP) -- The city on Thursday began
tearing down polka-dotted piles of old shoes, discarded toys and car parts
-- a junk artist's symbols of a decaying city -- after bids to save the
Heidelberg Project failed. 

                         Wayne County Circuit Judge Amy Hathaway lifted a
temporary restraining order that had prevented the city from tearing down
parts of the project that are on city-owned land. 

                         "They didn't even give us an hour before going
over there," the project's executive director, Jenenne Whitfield, said.
The city began by removing stuff from trees on city-owned property on
Heidelberg Street. 

                         The Detroit City Council in August voted to
dismantle the project after neighbors complained it was causing a health
hazard and drawing more traffic than the street was intended to
accommodate. 

                         Visitors from 75 countries have come to the
13-year-old Heidelberg Project, where 200,000 signatures fill guest books.
The installation of so-called junk art consists of houses and green lawns
adorned with stuff that most people might lose in the depths of their
basements. 

                         "City Council calls this an eyesore. All around
here are abandoned structures," Heidelberg creator  Tyree Guyton said. "My
next project is the whole city. I'm going to polka dot the city." 

                         Anthony Neely, spokesman to Detroit Mayor Dennis
Archer, said once the court lifted the temporary restraining order
Thursday afternoon, crews began removing materials from city-owned
property at the site. 

                         "It's been a controversial project from the
beginning, but in the past year or so, residents protested the fact that
the project remained and that it was preventing further residential
development in the neighborhood," Neely said. 

                         As heavy equipment pulled up chunks of lumber and
other debris from one house, Guyton dashed  back and forth, directing
salvage operations. When a supporter asked what he could do, Guyton said,
"We're going to try to rescue some of the paintings off that house. Grab
some of them." 

                         The man ran next door to help pull down some
paintings that had been nailed to the side of a house. 

                         The project stretches across houses and vacant
lots on both sides of a block of Heidelberg Street  and includes both
abandoned buildings and occupied homes, including that of Guyton's mother. 

                         The demolition order covers city-owned land but
not the private homes, so the Heidelberg Project is expected to remain at
least partly intact. 

                         Ric Geyer, former head of Heidelberg Project
board, was helping with salvage operations and held a hammer as he began
talking to a reporter. While he talked, Guyton came up and took it from
him.

                         "This is sacred ground," Geyer said. "There is
something very special about this place. It is sacrilege to tear it down." 

                         The project was founded in 1986. Guyton's works
can been seen across the world. The Detroit  Institute of Art owns some
pieces and a traveling exhibit of the Detroit-born artist is overseas. A
Minnesota house is adorned with shoes Guyton collected and is part of the
Minnesota Museum of American Art's "outsider art" exhibit. 

                         "It's unfortunate that it had to come to this,"
Neely said. He blamed Guyton for missing deadlines the City Council gave
him to dismantle the project. 

                         Police cars blocked off streets and alleys around
the demolition site as Heidelberg supporters  scrambled to salvage parts
of the display. 

                         "The project is not going to die," said Melody
Guyton, the artist's younger sister, as she stood on  her mother's porch,
her elbow leaning on a painted sculpture her brother made from a
television set and a chair. 

                         "It ain't over till the fat lady sings," she
said. "You don't hear any singing, do you?" 



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This is the explanation my friend Mosher (and several other people)
received for the destruction of the Heidelberg project.  Pretty
fuckin weak.

at the bottom is the original message, if anybody cares..

o0o[qiB.]o0o

-----Original Message-----
From: G.Hill Mailbox <G-Hill@ci.detroit.mi.us>
To: b_mosher@siebe-ene.com <b_mosher@siebe-ene.com>
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: The Heidelberg Project


I support the residents and instutions in the area, that have requested that
the public street, sidewalks and city property be cleared.

Gil Hill, President
Detroit City Council

>>> Brooks Mosher <b_mosher@siebe-ene.com> 02/05 12:46 PM >>>
Dear Sirs,

What exactly is to be accomplished by tearing down the Heidelberg
project?  Turning the street back into a run-down crime-infested filthy
ghetto like the rest of Detroit?  What's going to be left?
I think there are much bigger issues to be dealt with in terms of taking
care of the city.  Tearing down the Heidelberg street is not one of
them.  Why are you wasting time and money?

I've known and heard of many people, not only in America, but overseas
who either know about it or have traveled to Detroit to see it.  I
personally haven't had a chance to see it, and I never will, thanks to
you.
I have friends that live in Detroit and I loved what the city had to
offer (many things of which you probably don't even know about), but
these sort of things make me despise the city at the same time.

If you destroy all the art, the creative outlets of people, and their
work in trying to make Detroit half-way liveable, you'll end up with
more of a slum (which is what most people think of Detroit anyway).

Very Upset,

Brooks Mosher
Boston, MA










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On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Evan B. wrote:

> <not list related, but she needs some help>
> 
> A good friend of mine who is going to school in dallas left it up to me,
> her computer nerd buddy, to find people to answer the following questions
> for a paper or some ish.

well, i bit, and since i don't feel embarrassed or ashamed by what i'm
going to write (it's not too juicy anyways) i figured i'd just cc: it to
all yall.

> Here goes:

diddo.

> 1) Describe a time in your life when you have felt very guilty.
  2) What was the situation?

the time that sticks out the most is april of my senior year of high
school ('95 for any that care).  i had been scamming money from my j.c.
penny job for a few months, doing forged returns, returning stolen
merchandise from different departments for cash...basically doing things
that couldn't really be traced to me unless they caught me on film doing
it.

so, since i knew i was doing these things, i happened to notice a
different sales person used my initials on a no-sale reciept when opening
the register.  i figured in order to take attention off anything they
might be suspicious of me for, i'd tell security about her.

anyways, long story short...the one time i swore to myself would be the
last time i take money dishonestly, i got caught.  minutes after i did a
fake return, a manager told me to go home early, on my way out, security
got me and took me in the back room to play their mind-games.

but they got me on film and i decided it wasn't worth it to deny what i
did (mostly...i left out parts that my friends helped with)
so, i admitted to about 1500 bucks worth of stolen cash and merchendise
over a period of about three months.  paid the money back with my college
savings and got probation till i was 18 (october 96)

> 3) Do you think you guilt was justified?

yes...guilt exists for a reason eh?  

> 4) Describe in as much detail, as you think necessary, how you felt.

well, i think i wouldn't have felt as bad if i hadn't talked to my dying
grandfather only days before and have his last words to me be "i worry
about you." because when he said that, i instantly thought of the way i
had been living my life.  really the only reason i was still taking money
from work was because i was irrisponsible with money...and i was paying
for a trip to toronto with the orchestra, mostly with the stolen money.

so, the first person to find out about me being arrested was my
grandmother who was taking care of my two little sisters while my mom was
in florida with my dying grandfather.  well, that in itself was bad
enough, to see how worried and upset my grandmother was that her grandson
was going to be a convict.  anyways, my grandfather died either that night
or the next day, and my mom was told about what happened at her father's
funeral.

needless to say, i didn't go to toronto.  but someone was able to go in my
place who otherwise wouldn't have been able to.  i was happy about that,
she really deserved to go but simply couldn't afford to.

> 5) How did people and the world appear to you?

after? well, after the incident, i sort of had  a clearer vision of who i
wanted to be.  and how the world and people fit into that plan.  doing
what i consider to be right after-the-fact was a tremendous healing
experience.  and to see a hardened judge in juvenile court look at you
with a tinge of respect when he finds out you are representing yourself
doesn't hurt either.

honesty, has continued to be my best policy.

as for people, after the incident i knew i wouldn't be swayed by other
people's idea of success, i found out firsthand that money isn't
everything, i pretty much found that i already have everything in myself
and the friends and family that i surround myself with, in the things i
do, and in doing things i enjoy... i'm finding out more and more everyday
just what that "everything" consists of.

> 6) What consequences did your feelings of guilt have?

well, initially, i think they led a bit to feelings of sadness that i
didnt' live up to expectation...not only of other people's hopes for me,
but my own expectations and standards.  this gradually changed as my
patterns changed to revolve more around right thought, which, as
you know leads to right action (and many times,a disirable re:action)


from those feelings of guilt, was born my life as it is today, me as i am
now, and everything in the universe the way it will be.  my plan is now
set in stone, as it depends really on nothing my formless plan now
includes everything and everyone to do and or be anything.  should i die
tomorrow, i die complete, because i know that i've given myself the
ability (and entrusted you with the response:abiltiy) to create another
"me" somewhere...indeed some probably already exist at different points of
awareness, so it doesn't really matter whether or not they came "before"
or "after" because "i" chose and will continue to choose to be and become
timeless.

if you take my experience as genesis...i've helped create you who are
reading this email.  we all have this power and exercise it each day.
should you reply, you will have helped create me who is reading a reply..
if you do not, who will have helped create me who is wondering (if only
for a brief few moments) where that reply is.

in any case, my guilt as helped me directly, and in the experiences it
helped to produce, to become keenly aware of how my action (or inaction)
affects people, the world, and ultimately comes back to affect myself 

> 7) Do you think that you were justified in feeling guilty now?

if you are reading this, yes.  if you aren't, still yes, because my plan
accounts for that.

or has my guilt made me crazy? ;)

> Anyone who replies can rest asured that their identity will be concealed.
> If she actually does use his/her experiences in the research paper, the
> names will be altered to protect the innocent... dragnet style.
> 
> You can email your replies to hkriege@udallas.edu 
> She thanks you in advance.

and i thank you all in return...for helping create me as i am now.

yeehaw.

off to dream of alarm-clock backpacks with no snooze button...it's their
nature to be annoyingly high-pitched and loud.  makes me wonder why i
bought one in the first place.  perhaps it had sentimental value?

all i know is that the gas station attendant was nice enough to let me in
before he was really open, and also nice to let me browse his muffler
shelf for snacks...even though i had no money.

backpacks buzz and that's the way it was.


peace,
Chad


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here is a collection of the 3-4 most interesting posts collected
from my personal 313 archive from around the time of the
destruction...

enjoy.. (for those not in the know-> www.heidelberg.org )

o0o[qiB.]o0o

-----Original Message-----
From: phred@teleport.com <phred@teleport.com>
To: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 6:29 AM
Subject: (313) The Heidelberg Project is Destroyed


>"by a government that had no pride"
>
>http://www.freepress.com/fun/arts/qty5.htm
>
>
>Thank you, Tyree Guyton, for showing us yet again what makes Detroit
>so unique.  Too bad the politicians and pundits just did .. not .. get ..
it.
>
>out
>
>phred


-----Original Message-----
From: joe <maho0097@tc.umn.edu>
To: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: (313) The Heidelberg Project is Destroyed


>you had to know it would happen soon.  It was inevitable seeing as how this
>doesn't fit in with the "world class city" bullshit coming from city hall
>and all the mike illitch types.
>
>Too bad any city that could be considered a world class city(New York,
>London, Tokyo, even fucking chicago) has its own character and culture that
>separate it from other big cities without their own soul.  Unfortunately
>Detroit's soul, represented so beautifully in the Heidleberg Project,
>doesn't fit in with the vision of the Greater Downtown Partnership-a front
>for General Motors and a few other businesses- because it is a
>manifestation of the urban decay that they created.
>
>So even though the heidleberg project is a world class work of art which
>has drawn visitors from all over the globe and like techno-emodies
>detroit's crucial role in post-modern culture, its better to just tear it
>down because what it represents makes people uncomfortable.  You wanna talk
>about  detroit?  Sure then lets talk about the blight of racism and the
>lies of capitalism and their effect on a beautiful city.  It would make me
>feel more at home than a bunch of sterile ass makeovers like a stadium and
>some restaurants.  If I wanted to live in Cleaveland I'd move to fucking
>cleaveland (No offense to cleavelanders on the list That's just been the
>model for the city's "Downtown renovation"-besides, I live in Minneapolis
>now-did you say stale? It's like living in a mall-quaint though)
>
>Of course now that I think about it I guess Stadiums and casinos will bring
>jobs to the city-real jobs like peanut salesmen and bellhops that black
>people were meant to have in the first place.  Oh and don't forget the
>crooked construction rackets that have ties to council members(Sharon
>McPhail) that will bring more revenue to "the people" than any
>international travel to the ghetto.
>
>I'm through venting now, I was in a good mood when I started writing this.
>Peace
>joe


-----Original Message-----
From: DJT1000@aol.com <DJT1000@aol.com>
To: phred@teleport.com <phred@teleport.com>; 313@hyperreal.org
<313@hyperreal.org>
Cc: G-Hill@ci.detroit.mi.us <G-Hill@ci.detroit.mi.us>;
Mayor@ci.detroit.mi.us <Mayor@ci.detroit.mi.us>
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: (313) The Heidelberg Project is Destroyed


>Hmmm, let's see, during the recent snowstorm, Detroit didn't have enough
plows
>to clear all our streets. Half the city's streetlights don't work on any
given
>night. The roads are riddled with potholes. I've gotten chuckles from
people
>whom I've played for that their smaller cities (Milwaukee, Indianapolis)
had
>way more snowplows than we did, AND plowed their residential streets. I've
>been driving around the city this week (more than usual, for work) and it's
>mile after mile of boarded up and abandoned buildings, yet it's a priority
to
>destroy an international destination for many tourists and art lovers.
>
>But then Detroit's never really been big on art and creativity. Detroiters
>don't understand the abstract. They don't. That's why so many great people
>come from here, but never stay.
>
>I always said that if it wasn't for us (techno producers) and Tyree, nobody
>would come to this city at all (unless you were a car guy, in which case
you'd
>go straight from Metro Airport out to Auburn Hills or someplace; they even
>have a small airport out there so executives don't even have to drive thru
>Detroit). Now we'll see if I'm right.
>
>Alan

some kid-->


>  And here's the part will I will get probably flamed,but people keep
>saying the city says this and the city says that, and we have even seen
>a responce from a city council member.But no one has yet to actually
>bring a quote to the floor from an actual Heidelberg block dweller as
to
>thier feelings-so for all we know, what he says may be...true.I'm just
>trying to be diplomatic here.I am NOT saying I agree, but I am trying
to
>be fair to the arguement.
>
>  any form of passion for anything,if pure,is great.but I think before
>ppl start booking plane tickets and saying their life "fucking sucks"
or
>we get into a brawl of below/under 8mile we should be well
informed.Once
>we come across as well informed and with all sides of the story by
first
>hand then, IMO,will our arguements only have validity.It's one thing to
>get mad and use words, its another thing to be calm and collected,
>informed and use words.
>
>  this is just my opinion on it all.don't yell at me,you will only be
>ignored and I will give you a detention and you will have to stay after
>school...wait...? that's my other life:).if you speak to me and want to
>open my mind to other sides....feel free.
>
>I'm not subbing for the HS gym teacher EVER again.
>Diana
>
>

responce to this letter-->

...tyree has neighbors who support him...to the point of having him do
their houses as well...as for the supposed concern about danger to
children (or whatever crap someone from the city gave as a reason) you
have crack houses and prositution next to one of the most prominent
schools in the area (cass technical high school)...but that is
considered safe???...not to mention that in all the times i've been by
the h-project, i've never seen crowds of kids running around the lots
anyways...there are businesses that know they profit from the visiting
folks...the problem with the h-project is the symbolism, and the detroit
city government is on extremely shaky ground when it comes to symbolic
and spiritual issues, issues of conscience...


last minute addition:

(clipped from the Wahington Post on Heidelberg destruction )
                  Friday, February 5, 1999; Page C05

Some neighbors on the city's east side, where
                  prostitution and crime are common, support the project
                  because it has become an internationally known tourist
                  attraction.

                  But city officials have come to regard Guyton's work as
                  an eyesore and safety hazard. They say some residents
                  believe it is impeding development.


                  For his part, Guyton spent the afternoon working with
                  supporters to remove many of the art objects before city
                  workers could get to them.

                  Asked by reporters what he intended to do, Guyton, a
                  paintbrush in hand, angrily replied, "I am polka-dotting
                  the city."






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> > 7) Do you think that you were justified in feeling guilty now?
> 
> if you are reading this, yes.  if you aren't, still yes, because my plan
> accounts for that.
> 
> or has my guilt made me crazy? ;)

or did i misunderstand this question?  i do not experience feelings of
guilt anymore...if that's what that question meant.

also, did you mean guilt, or remorse?  i think i was replying as if the
questions were asking about remorse...

you see, i WAS guilty. and the feelings of remorse for that were short
lived because of the lessons they taught me.  now i have no regrets.

otay, just thought i'd clarify a little bit.

peace,
Chad


-chad m sponholz-
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-http://www.hyperreal.org/~chad-
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give me some food.


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Hmm... it's 2:40am and I have class at 9:00 tomorrow but I think I'm
in the mood to rant...  :-)

Anyway, all the recent discussions on here about selling out and the
scene going too "mainstream" and blah blah blah has brought
something interesting to mind.

If financial/commercial involvement in the scene is what's ruining it
then why have some of the big "mega-raves" that I've been to (any
Hullabaloo party comes to mind) been some of the craziest, best
parties of my life?  (Then again, I've been to some pretty good
underground ones as well.)  I don't think money is what's ruining the
scene.  If money were ruining the scene then one would see a near
perfect negative correlation between size/cost of a party and it's
quality and "vibe."  You don't, so that rules out that hypothesis.

I don't think money is ruining the scene, nor are drugs.  I think that
what is ruining the scene is an influx of mainstream *values*.  A
rave is supposed to be more than a party-- it's supposed to be a
"temporary autonomous zone" (to use the overused terminology)
where the values of mainstream society are temporarily suspended,
allowing people to behave in ways different from how they would
in normal society.

There is one mainstream value in particular which I think is reponsible
for killing what we like to call the "vibe."  It's called "coolness."

Coolness: being emotionally reserved; filtering all statements,
gestures,
and actions to conform to the rules of society and surroundings; not
drawing attention to oneself, or only drawing attention to oneself in
ways deemed acceptible to others; putting on a front

Opposite of coolness: acting (truly) spontaneously; expressing true
emotions; saying what you are really thinking or feeling; being
yourself;
tolerating the behavior of others... e.g. "Geeking out," "raving," etc.

In short, a rave is supposed to be a place where certain mainstream
values are suspended.  The process by which values are suspended
is a process of mutual agreement.  Humans are conditioned to
avoid offending their fellow humans (this allows them to live
together without killing each other).  Therefore, to allow people
to suspend values, there must be a mutual agreement among those
in attendance to ignore the judgments associated with a such a value.
This is the meaning of "PLUR."  Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect.
This allowed the value of "coolness" to be suspended, since when
someone did something "uncool" like dancing like a maniac, hugging
complete strangers, dressing like a wierdo, etc. it was ok cause...
well... PLUR.

However, as our culture grew, this brought an influx of more and
more newbies who brought with them mainstream values.  Being
uneducated about the scene, they didn't learn that the secret of
a good rave was leaving these mainstream values at the door.
They brought them inside, and began "enforcing" them as all
humans do against others.  "Look at that dorky looking candy
raver dancing all by himself."  "Eww... look at those little E-heads
cuddling on the floor."  This made people uneasy, tense, and
inhibited... what we call a "dead" vibe.

The result: it's just like mainstream society.  The herd effect.
Either nobody dances or everybody dances, and if everybody
stops dancing, everybody stops dancing.  Nobody wants to be
the uncool person dancing with everyone else watching.

Folks, it has nothing to do with money.  It has nothing to do
with "commercial promoters."  It has nothing to do with
selling out.  It has to do with value systems, plain and simple.

I have found myself falling into the same trap.  It's not just
newbies bringing mainstream values into the scene-- it's
us too when we stop making an effort to suspend those
mainstream values at the door.

Advice: stop being cool and start having fun
More advice: If you feel like dancing, dance.  If you feel
like doing E and sitting on the floor with your girlfriend,
do it.  If you feel like hugging some total stranger, do it.
THEY might be watching... THEY might even be talking
about you... but you can't hear them because the music
is too loud, so who cares.  THEY don't know what they're
missing.  (I have often thought that this is the purpose
of loud music... to drown out all that "unneccessary"
communication.)

If this message sounded a bit confused, it's because I'm
very tired.

Later.

P.S. I've often thought that "Unity" in PLUR should be replaced
with "Diversity," since Unity is often mistaken for Conformity.
But PLDR doesn't make as good of an acronym..  :P



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was poking around the net and came across this blurp on the
AMG -> " In addition to his steady DJ activities, Vogel also releases his
own and others' material through
two personal labels -- Mosquito and Quinine -- "

ok.. I know about mosquito, but what the hell is Quinine?
anybody heard any releases off of this? is it defunkt (pun
intended ;) ?

I'd be very interest in any info you can muster..

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Bored? Read this-->

-----------interviewed on May 20th, 1994 when Mr Mills came to our town to
play, but you will see most of his thoughts are far from being dated
today...
     (interviewed and transcribed by Benedikt Laube)

BL:: What is a good techno record?

     JM:: On a good record you should hear that the producer is reaching for
something - and you can always hear if he is not. I don't even
     call those techno. The problem is not the music itself - it is the
person who calls it techno. I assume that these people like what they do
     and are happy with it - so it is OK for them. If you want to listen to
it - buy the record and go home, but I won't play it.

     My thinking is a bit different - the whole art form of techno is in the
same vein as technology - reaching for something new. Everytime
     you make a record. It is not even about the cosmetics of a track, like
BPMs or sounds. It can be a sound you hear everyday, like the
     909. It's about what the producer does with it. That's why I did the
"Cycle 30" (Axis 008). It was not exactly a dance record, more like a
     message to the young producers, to let them know there is still a lot
of things you can do making records. You do not have to buy
     analog equipment. "Cycle 30" is all digital. Not a single analog sound
on it. Why pay up to 2000 Marks for a 303, when you can do
     without it. You can go back to 86 and buy a 303 record, play it on 45
and you have exactly the same stuff that comes out today.

     I did the loops to explain that a track has no beginning and no end. It
also changes your thinking as a DJ. The record is not building up
     - you have to build it into your mix. It takes more skills to play it.
It can be you who has a brilliant idea. When people start to produce
     records because they know a certain crowd will like it, it defeats the
purpose. It is no longer an art form.

     If I put a sample everybody knows in a track and play it, and the
people instantly start to scream and like it, I won't release it. The trick
     is out the bag. The record is played out after the first time.

     There are tracks I made and this happened when I played them - they
were never released. That is why I have so many acetates. Most
     of them I will not release. I missed something on each of them. A good
track does not play out. The more you play it, the more you get
     into it. That is the basis of all the Axis stuff. A record must be
ahead of the situation. I also won't say 'Hopefully I will never make a
hit'.
     Maybe in 2 years somebody will go back and listen to Axis 08 and 09 and
say...'Damn, this is the shit.'

     It is just not my thing to produce a sure hit record. Too many people
are doing it at the moment.

     And I see what people are not doing, what is missing. When I am back
home, I fill in the gap. Take the Axis stuff. It is not House, not
     really techno, not experimental, it is in-between stuff, grey-area
material. Shit people can dance to.

     Before we do a track, we go through our crates and look for the stuff
we cannot buy but we would like to play. Like Axis 09. I said
     'Damn, I wish I had a track that was fast and dark'- So I did one.

     A lot of thought goes into the tracks. If you put the whole aspect of
making money away, and therefore insert the idea that each track
     has to make a statement, has to mean something, that the track has to
sound like the title reads - then you quickly lose the interest in
     making money out of it.

     Maybe some kid listens to what we do and goes on from that. I cannot
imagine what Techno will sound like in 5 years, and this is good.
     It really bothers me when people stop reaching.

     As long as people keep reaching, everything will be fine.
-------------------------------[End.dnE]---------------

full interview can be viewed at
http://ele-mental.coil.com/ele_ment/con.versations/reaching.jeff.mills.html

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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::qiBbish disclaimer-> Sorry chad for being so damn prolific with
my posts tonight.. I think I'll be back to my usual one message per
week status in the morning ;) ::

Anybody heard this band, or know the members?
they are from Minneapolis... played at Buddha fest 98 (whatever the
hell that was ;) and they seem to be a tekkno/punk/industrial cross
over group.. I might do some remix work for them, so I just wanted
to hear from people that might know these kids better than I..
they seem cool..

check their pics/music at http://www.beatmixer.com/apod/

tata,

o0o[qiB.]o0o





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thanx...uh..i think :/


>
>>i think you should slip her some roofies and have sex with her.
>
>
>Ya.. YA!!! and then take her into a park, beat her up and leave her
>for dead!!! Can't have rape without murder, can we ;) ... don't
>forget to take her wallet while you are at it...
>
>If you brag loud enough about this, you might get an honorary
>membership into the BTS...
>
>just my $.23
>
>o0o[qiB.]o0o
>
>
>
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>
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WHAT IF?

What if I would have...
called him? 
took the job?
been there for her?
had the baby?
took the other path?
not gone there?
ate healthy?
not took that?
moved away?
been a better person?
finished school?
lent a helping hand?
What if life were simple?
LIFE
luv,
hEiDi

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     Try the Sony MDR 7506's.  I see 'em used all the time and I love 'em.  
     They'll run you around $100.
     
     rEalm


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'Sup!  A question for all the DJs out there - 
my crappy headphones finally broke, and i'm looking to get a really nice 
new pair.  I've heard the Stanton DJ PRO 1000 are the best...but can 
anyone offer me suggestions about this or any other model that I should 
get?
     
Thanks!
     
peace
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o.k..so i did..it...i sent the email out this mornin' actually two 
emails cause i didn't have the guts to put it in the first one....i 
sorta chickened out.....but...i did it.....and now all i can do is 
wait....the wait..so the best thing i can do...is to keep extremely 
busy..and not even think about...for all those who said to slip them a 
roofie..and rape them...that was fucked up....i kinda 
chuckled..but...seriously..folks...that's sic and twisted..heheh (doris 
:) ) but anywayz...i did..it...and i hope...it works out for the 
best..because i'm gonna be crushed..just because...my friends....lately 
have not really been around.....and i've gotten to the place where i 
want to meet other people to hangout with...not as 
substitutes..but....just meeting more people who i have things in common 
with..well..i seem to have found them...but..i don't want to fuck 
anything up...it's such a risk putting your heart on the 
line.....but.....what you want might make you cry..and what you need 
might pass you by..if you don't catch it...and i feel..that....this is 
who i need...and if i don't let them know...they could pass me by....and 
then what...or...if they are not interested...then....oh..well..i'll be 
sad...but..life goes on..and the loki-man will once again remain 
single..for the next millennium...

i'm audi 5 thoui...kidz..and thanx for listening to an unknown kid :P



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I hate to be one of those mw-ravers who jumps down someone's throat every
time they make some little error or email faux-pas, but this was just too
good to pass up...


At 11:41 PM 2/23/99 EST, Husqvarnic@aol.com wrote:
>actually, 420 was the width of a hippies rectum in millimeters after getting
>ass fucked by jerry garcia...
>
>or was it the length of his penis when he was really stoned?
>


did you realize that 420 millimeters = .420 meters?  as in almost half a
meter?  like a foot and a half?

More random shit to come... I've gotta go turn my 'Swedish Made Penis
Enlarger Pump' into a bong..

one love,

Griggles


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i use the sony v600 or whatever.  big, comfy, loud.  I like these better than
the 7506 or whatever its called because a) i think they are more comforatable
b) no exposed wires by the earpieces

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adam, im not sure if yer aware of this, but its peops like you who aid in the creation of that "bad vibe" that you seem to hate. some of the coolest partiers ive met live here in columbus, and daytons parties are fucking dope. next time you want to insult something, stop and look around. maybe you can do something to help . . .

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Dank nugs.

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, dj fishead wrote:

> 4/20 is my birthday.
> 
> send me some motherfuckin' presents.
> 
> --
> --------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
> dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
>     http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
>       http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm
> 
> 


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I think GG Allin will never sell out, if he was still alive...

Senseless posting by Phil

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Corporate sponsors tend to ignore those with shit on their face-something
GG was WAY too familiar with:)

Jake

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>I think GG Allin will never sell out, if he was still alive...
>
>Senseless posting by Phil
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Line ups like this are usually fake. But then again they have a legit web
site with this flyer posted.  But still this line up is probably the
'best' ever constructed here in the US (in terms of the amount of money
required to book all these people). 

How much for tickets you think?  35 40 50?

I guess 40,
Adam




On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 GNM3744@aol.com wrote:

> this was posted on Pb-Cle and peepz have said the promoters are into
> overcrowding and other types of ill shit. its a phat line up. take it for whut
> itz worth
> 
> GabrieL
> 
> 
> **************************************
> Local 13 Invites You To Blow That Whistle One More Time!!!
> Whistle 2** May 29th
> 215-552-8135(Philadelphia PA)
> www.Local13.com
> **************************************
> Room 1(Superdome)
> Green Velvet-Live
> Josh Wink
> Jon The Dentist
> Bad Boy Bill
> *Old Skool Tag Team*
> DJ Dan vs Simply Jeff
> Nigel Richards
> Pat Egan
> Mark Bee
> **************************************
> Room 2(Pleasuredome)
> Armand Van Helden
> John Aquaviva
> DJ Sneak
> DJ Icey
> Scott Henry
> Chalres Feelgood
> Pete Moss
> Robbie Tronco
> **************************************
> Room 3(D&BDome)
> DJ SS
> Sniper w/ MC Rekka
> Dieselboy w/ MC Dub2
> Danny The Wildchild
> Phantom 45
> Freaky Flow & J Smooth w/ MC Flipside
> **************************************
> Room 4(Old Skool Dome)
> Frankie Bones
> Felix Da House Cat
> Osheen
> T-1000
> Atomic Babies
> Adam X
> Mark Verbos
> **************************************
> Room 5(Thunderdome)
> Lenny Dee
> Rob Gee
> Narotic
> Manu Malin
> Delta 9
> Seige
> DJ Venom -Special Happy Hardcore Set
> **************************************
> 


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	and while norman cook's anglo-saxon rape (hate to say it... but what
is it?)
	of a culture gets him money... and he runs around scheduling pay per
view
	events with armand van helden...
	

	Kid, 

	You don't know enough about Norman Cook to make a statement that
bold. You are acting just as predictable and reactionary as the people that
cheer on cue at "Scream". All you have to go on is a quote by Norman Cook
(that for all you know may be taken out of context) and the fact that he's
got a hit tune - BINGO! SELL OUT! RAPIST OF CULTURE! That's all the evidence
anyone needs, right? 

	If you don't like his music, that's fine - but you have to be
careful about making such condemning statements with very little hard
evidence to back it up. I can make just as a convincing argument that Norman
Cook is the premiere post-modernist music composer of our time with the same
evidence.

	- Chad

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i thought it originally meant to poke or prod like with a stick
oh wellz
NNOthing

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In a message dated 2/24/99 9:23:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gdamiani@umich.edu writes:

> did you realize that 420 millimeters = .420 meters?  as in almost half a
>  meter?  like a foot and a half?

everyone said he was gifted... i guess the rumor is true... or maybe it was
micrometers instead of millmeters... either way, the metric system proves
useful in the western world

>  More random shit to come... I've gotta go turn my 'Swedish Made Penis
>  Enlarger Pump' into a bong..

wash it really good first... 

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I honestly think the whole thing about black power and white power..is a 
bunch of bullshit....i think being proud of who you are is good....but 
in my belief..the whole black power/white power thing is about...putting 
down other races because you feel that your specific group has absolute 
power over the others.....the movement during the (70's) for black power 
was more  politcal I guess (i'm not really sure) i think it was more a 
thing about black is beautiful...to be proud of being black...and not 
let  (at this time) whites...tell you other wise...being a person of 
multi-ethnic background...i see the bull shit that goes around....i 
honestly and truely believe that we are all equal..and that we are all 
brothers and sisters..whether we ever meet or not.....it should be 
called one power...one united power of all people of the world....... :P

just my take on this topic...

>what is everyone's take on white power?
>
>okay, what about black power?
>
>okay, what about white pride?
>
>okay, what about black pride?
>
>just curious
>


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 17:26:36 1999
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this weekend, saturday, february 27

louisville, ky

strange loop & project 7 present

-----
hometown.heroes.1.0
a new vision for the louisville electronic music scene
-----

2 rooms of sound
$6.00 at the door

----

live acts:

--VHS OR BETA
Bridging the gap between electronic and modern rock (think Sonic Youth meets
Kraftwerk), VHS or Beta will command your attention and respect.

--STRANGE LOOP
A totally unique take on electronic music. Downtempo, laidback and beautiful,
yet haunting. Brain music for twisted brains.

--RADIANATION - RECORD RELEASE!!
The owner of Louipimps Records will pump out sweet house and trance grooves
for the crowd. Copies of his newest release will be on sale at the event for $5!

--TOKYO3
A longtime veteran of the Louisville music scene takes the dancefloor by storm.


dj's
--THE BENMAN
You know him, you love him. Ben Jones, owner of Better Days Records, knows how
to get the crowd on their feet and shakin' that ass! Respect to the Benman.

--AMALGAMM
Amalgamm is a master of the turntables. Whether he plays hard, minimal techno
or dark drum&bass, your ears will joy to the sounds.

--IMPERIAL SOUND SYSTEM
Ragga jungle. A sound that is spiritual, soulful, and deep. Imperial Sound
System merges the reggae with the drum&bass to rock the dancefloor.

--DJ BOOTH
Speed Garage and Old School House. High energy, beautiful builds, and phat grooves.

--RICHARD CAMPBELL
Disturbing. Weird. Psychotic. Expect the Unexpected.

--AND MORE!!

Doors open at 10:00. Come early.

Directions:
The event will be held at Sparks nightclub. They have agreed to lock up the
liquor and let us do an all-ages event for the night. The club is located at
104 W. Main St., downtown right between 1st & 2nd Streets. If you need
additional information, please call the voice mail.

(502) 569-1757



-- 
_______________________________________________________
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Music, Event, & Project Info:  http://strangeloop.nu
Next Events:
hometown.heroes.1.0: February 27, 1999, Louisville
An Evening with Dubtribe: March 26, 1999, Louisville
_______________________________________________________

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On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, adm eows wrote:

> 
> Line ups like this are usually fake. But then again they have a legit web
> site with this flyer posted.  But still this line up is probably the
> 'best' ever constructed here in the US (in terms of the amount of money
> required to book all these people). 
> 
> How much for tickets you think?  35 40 50?

as pete put it, maybe you're not familiar with the east coast scene.  i'm
willing to bet most of those artists will be there.  I believe almost
all of the artists showed up for that Local 13 thing that was up in the
Poconos last year.  can't remember the name of that one, but i'm sure all
the police in the town it was held in do.  as do the friends and family of
the person that died at it.

its not hard to book all those people when you know you are going to have
10,000 heads at your event.

i doubt Local 13 would lie about bringing out artists, they'll make out
just fine anyways




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Just in case you haven't heard... he's the info.  I'm going to be there so if
anybodies interested in meeting little 'ol me, just let me know.
Tanks,
-Lisa

MAIN ROOM:
Hardfloor
DJ Dimitri
Frankie Bones
Mike Dearborn
Nigel Richards
Marcus Watkins
Paul Anthony

JUNGLE ROOM:
Dieselboy
Danny the Wild Child
DJ Ryn
Fonze De La Mota

HARD ROOM:
Submerge 101
Matt Druid
Richie Wel
DJ Shaft

info # 773-509-5050

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i dunno if any of you guys still use the ensoniq EPS...but I have one I am
trying to sell...it is the original EPS, max memory, 8-channel output
expander...8-track sequencer...oh well....if anyone is interested, reply
privately.  oh, i have a four track i might sell, and a drum machine,
too...ok, i'm done...

HuGZ~
Vic

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On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, powdered toastman wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, adm eows wrote:
> 
> as pete put it, maybe you're not familiar with the east coast scene.  i'm
> willing to bet most of those artists will be there.  I believe almost
> all of the artists showed up for that Local 13 thing that was up in the
> Poconos last year.  can't remember the name of that one, but i'm sure all
> the police in the town it was held in do.  as do the friends and family of
> the person that died at it.


Yeah I remember the event you are talking about.  And I do have limited
knowledge of the east coast.  But even the Bassrush events pale to this
line up.  The past Zoolu line ups dont even compare.  This is the single
most impressive 'rave' line up Ive seen for a one day event.  But it does
seem legit after all.  Does anyone know of anything bigger for a single
day event?


> 
> its not hard to book all those people when you know you are going to have
> 10,000 heads at your event.

Well its hard in the sense you have to find the capital somewhere.  God
this event is going to cost at least $70,000!!  But you are right they
should have no trouble recouping this sum but man where do you have 70,000
dollars sitting around?  At only 20 dollars a head they stand to make some
crazy money with this line up.  

> 
> i doubt Local 13 would lie about bringing out artists, they'll make out
> just fine anyway

They certainly have motivation to bring in all the acts (think of the
money they stand to make next time!).

Adam


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Tonight!

DJ 3D
Kid Entropy
DJ Shortstop

Solar@208 S. First St. Ann Arbor, MI. Doors @ 9:30 P.M., 18+ w/ ID.
$8 at the door.
734.913.9738 solar.... 248.975.8773 intuit. 
 www.intuit-solar.com   www.99music.com


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maybe it comes from "its time for a 20" as in a 20 sack or 5.5-6 grams 
of said substance so "its time for smokin a 20" or "time 4 20"

oh and now im workin on smokin myself retarded again things get to 
complicated when i smoke myself genius ignorance is bliss:) 
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hey, do any of you out there know if 4:20 is a police code used in some
states???  gee, maybe that's where the term came from.  i wonder...


plurred outta them fuzzy phat pants,
-z0d


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You haven't seen the Rave'Em&Bailey III lineup have you?  It's at
http://www.tribalbrothers.com  and is fuckin' unbelievable.

Mage.

adm eows wrote:

> Line ups like this are usually fake. But then again they have a legit web
> site with this flyer posted.  But still this line up is probably the
> 'best' ever constructed here in the US (in terms of the amount of money
> required to book all these people).
>
> How much for tickets you think?  35 40 50?
>
> I guess 40,
> Adam
>
> On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 GNM3744@aol.com wrote:
>
> > this was posted on Pb-Cle and peepz have said the promoters are into
> > overcrowding and other types of ill shit. its a phat line up. take it for whut
> > itz worth
> >
> > GabrieL
> >
> >
> > **************************************
> > Local 13 Invites You To Blow That Whistle One More Time!!!
> > Whistle 2** May 29th
> > 215-552-8135(Philadelphia PA)
> > www.Local13.com
> > **************************************
> > Room 1(Superdome)
> > Green Velvet-Live
> > Josh Wink
> > Jon The Dentist
> > Bad Boy Bill
> > *Old Skool Tag Team*
> > DJ Dan vs Simply Jeff
> > Nigel Richards
> > Pat Egan
> > Mark Bee
> > **************************************
> > Room 2(Pleasuredome)
> > Armand Van Helden
> > John Aquaviva
> > DJ Sneak
> > DJ Icey
> > Scott Henry
> > Chalres Feelgood
> > Pete Moss
> > Robbie Tronco
> > **************************************
> > Room 3(D&BDome)
> > DJ SS
> > Sniper w/ MC Rekka
> > Dieselboy w/ MC Dub2
> > Danny The Wildchild
> > Phantom 45
> > Freaky Flow & J Smooth w/ MC Flipside
> > **************************************
> > Room 4(Old Skool Dome)
> > Frankie Bones
> > Felix Da House Cat
> > Osheen
> > T-1000
> > Atomic Babies
> > Adam X
> > Mark Verbos
> > **************************************
> > Room 5(Thunderdome)
> > Lenny Dee
> > Rob Gee
> > Narotic
> > Manu Malin
> > Delta 9
> > Seige
> > DJ Venom -Special Happy Hardcore Set
> > **************************************
> >




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I was told by a few different people years ago when the term 1st starting
making into circulation out here that it is (was?) the LAPD's police code
used for pot.  Can't say if it's true or not.

Mage


*!!prAsAd!!* wrote:

> hey, do any of you out there know if 4:20 is a police code used in some
> states???  gee, maybe that's where the term came from.  i wonder...
>
> plurred outta them fuzzy phat pants,
> -z0d




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Somebody into trance if ya wanna listen to freakcity #12 on raveworld.net
and tell me what song it is that is in the background of the Kimball Collins
interview, it starts at about the 4:30 mark...cuz i like it lots =)




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have u guys seen the preflyer, it is crazy, i cant wait me n the friends
are trying to rent a winnebego.   Part-e   YAY!!!!!
Stumps

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um if your near toledo and are bored, were havin a 
housepartie saturday.  It should be cozy and stuff.  He may 
or may not charge at the door. 2bux if he does.

Entertainment provided by:

  Whistleboi
funhouse/detroit

 Dj Sonshine
galactic records

   Dj Tobi
Local radio legond

2 live pas provided by:

     ZOINKS
oHIGHo recordings

Children of the Corn
  soiree/GCC

If your interested, email m

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i agree, flowers are good if u are already with the person, but it is
kinda commin on a lil strong at first.  Too much like an obsession
Stumps

NothingARN@aol.com wrote:
> 
> flowers always cause major shit to fall apart within the next day or 2 in my
> experience...
> peace
> NNOthing

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On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, adm eows wrote:

> Yeah I remember the event you are talking about.  And I do have limited
> knowledge of the east coast.  But even the Bassrush events pale to this
> line up.  The past Zoolu line ups dont even compare.  This is the single
> most impressive 'rave' line up Ive seen for a one day event.  But it does
> seem legit after all.  Does anyone know of anything bigger for a single
> day event?

I dunno.  About 80% of the DJs on that flyer, the east coast is
privileged enough to get to hear every single weekend.  As for the rest, I
agree, very impressive.  Whistle (1) was pretty large.  Check out some of
the Park Rave New Year and Fantasia stuff, too.

> Well its hard in the sense you have to find the capital somewhere.  God
> this event is going to cost at least $70,000!!  But you are right they
> should have no trouble recouping this sum but man where do you have 70,000
> dollars sitting around?  At only 20 dollars a head they stand to make some
> crazy money with this line up.  

yeah, it'll probably be quite a bill.  i would imagine there's some money
lying around from the last 3 parties like this one they threw, and the
past 20 $15 weeklies they've done.  plus, the DJ's may be expensive but
look...most of them are from the east coast or the midwest.  I guess
they'll be flying in Jon the Dentist and SS from the UK(although I think
Jon the Dentist is in NYC more that the UK these days), but other than
that travel costs shouldn't be too expensive. I would imagine there'll be
some mad-stupid-off-the-hook paper being thrown around,

yo


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hey everyone showed up to family affair, just sux we cant have another
1  because some greedy ass producer decided to take off with all the
money.  fOR THE MOST PART OUTDOORS PRODUCE WHO THEY SAY THEY WILL.  oops
sorry bout the caps, i will be there sportin the rented winnebago
Stumps


powdered toastman wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, adm eows wrote:
> 
> > Yeah I remember the event you are talking about.  And I do have limited
> > knowledge of the east coast.  But even the Bassrush events pale to this
> > line up.  The past Zoolu line ups dont even compare.  This is the single
> > most impressive 'rave' line up Ive seen for a one day event.  But it does
> > seem legit after all.  Does anyone know of anything bigger for a single
> > day event?
> 
> I dunno.  About 80% of the DJs on that flyer, the east coast is
> privileged enough to get to hear every single weekend.  As for the rest, I
> agree, very impressive.  Whistle (1) was pretty large.  Check out some of
> the Park Rave New Year and Fantasia stuff, too.
> 
> > Well its hard in the sense you have to find the capital somewhere.  God
> > this event is going to cost at least $70,000!!  But you are right they
> > should have no trouble recouping this sum but man where do you have 70,000
> > dollars sitting around?  At only 20 dollars a head they stand to make some
> > crazy money with this line up.
> 
> yeah, it'll probably be quite a bill.  i would imagine there's some money
> lying around from the last 3 parties like this one they threw, and the
> past 20 $15 weeklies they've done.  plus, the DJ's may be expensive but
> look...most of them are from the east coast or the midwest.  I guess
> they'll be flying in Jon the Dentist and SS from the UK(although I think
> Jon the Dentist is in NYC more that the UK these days), but other than
> that travel costs shouldn't be too expensive. I would imagine there'll be
> some mad-stupid-off-the-hook paper being thrown around,
> 
> yo

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do u have kimballs session 1 cd??? it is kinda old, but it is super
dope, i was listening to it when i read your e-mail.  And check out his
sis' stuff too she is tha best

Curtis Tiffany wrote:
> 
> Somebody into trance if ya wanna listen to freakcity #12 on raveworld.net
> and tell me what song it is that is in the background of the Kimball Collins
> interview, it starts at about the 4:30 mark...cuz i like it lots =)

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My kid brother, Jordan, is playing in the hiphop tent.
He's not to be missed.
And yes, he's the same 'little kid' whose turntablism set with Top Speed
made alot of noise at furthur98.
www.execpc.com/'network10/jrock2.jpg (i think) is an image of him from that
set.
Speaking of which, if anyone has any more photos, scanned or otherwise, of
him wrekin it, get back to me.

Evan B.
ElectroMedia, Ltd.

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Sorry for the massive crosspost here. I'm trying to compile a list of all
the places in the US that carry DJ mixtapes, record stores, vendors,
clothing stores, ect. So if you have any info you'd like to contribute,
please email me privately!! Name of the place, phone numbers, addresses,
email addies, web url's. anything!

twist-1@hardcorps.org

Thanks!

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well, since everybody else has been dumping their personal problems on
mw-raves i figured i'd do the same.
i just realized that my spring break starts 2 days from now, and i *still*
have no definite plans.  i have 2 things kinda lined up, but, although
both involve visiting ppl that i'd *love* to see, both also involve
obscene amounts of driving and money i don't have.  SO, my question to all
of you is, WHERE CAN I GO????  somewhere reasonably close to detroit would
be ideal.  anything worth checking out?  and, since there are 2 weekends
in my spring break, are there any good parties in surrounding states?  (i
haven't been paying attention to e-flyers, i forgot that i was gonna
have the time to get my rave on next week).  see, it's rave related now
=)  but anyway, this is kinda dumb and i realize none of you give a shit
where i spend my spring break, but hit me with some suggestions, i'm
looking for more options.  soon.
-being one of those ppl she finds annoying-
**doris**


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Hello, a friend of mine asked me to post this up here.  I hope some of you
find this info useful.
Thanks,
Lisa


fri, 0226, iowa city ... 'hard hitters' 
dietrich schoenemann [nyc], frankie vega [chicago]
tom robinson [cedar rapids/chicago], itchy & scratchy [ia city], dj kap
[fairfield]
    venue: gabe's oasis, 330 e. washington, iowa city, ia
    doors: 9-2 a.m., all-ages w/ photo i.d.
    for more info, click here
    infoline: brothas n sistas ... 800.805.7597

sun, 0307, iowa city ... 'rotation'
jon dica [madison: wsum]
dj freshtone [iowa city: ic house]
scott krulick [quad cities: ghouse]
kevin bassett [cedar rapids: hoodlums]
lil daddy love [iowa city: brothas n sistas]
    venue: gabe's oasis, 330 e. washington, iowa city, ia
    doors: 9-2 a.m., all-ages w/ photo i.d.
    infoline: brothas n sistas ... 800.805.7597

fri, 0312, iowa city ia ... 'bang it!'
dj deeon [chicago: dance mania, freak mode, le petit prince]
dj urban [chicago: dance mania, u.c.]
dj alert [ia city: sonic mind rec., hoodlums]
chris soppe [quad cities: family prod., alien underground, nodal]
    infoline: brothas n sistas ... 800.805.7597

    sun, 0321, iowa city ... 'rotation'
james ruskin [uk: prelude records]
jethro [cedar rapids: on the floor productions]
justone [cedar rapids: on the floor productions]
mishuggah [iowa city/cedar rapids: on the floor prod., institute to blow your
mind]
dj burn [cedar rapids: on the floor productions]
    venue: gabe's oasis, 330 e. washington, iowa city, ia
    doors: 9-2 a.m., all-ages w/ photo i.d.
    infoline: brothas n sistas ... 800.805.7597

sun, 0404, iowa city ... 'rotation'
matt druid [chicago: bliss industries, mushgroove]
dj milton [ia city/chicago: dance mania, freak mode, underground construction]
itchy & scratchy [iowa city: brothas n sistas]
patrik mcswiggen [cedar rapids: hoodlums]
    venue: gabe's oasis, 330 e. washington, iowa city, ia
    doors: 9-2 a.m., all-ages w/ photo i.d.
    infoline: brothas n sistas ... 800.805.7597

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I'm gonna have to go with Ian McKaye from Fugazi!
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>I think GG Allin will never sell out, if he was still alive...
>
>Senseless posting by Phil


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Miami
Beach...................Winter...........................Musik..............
..  ...........Conference@!!
All you ravey dreams fulfilled.
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>well, since everybody else has been dumping their personal problems on
>mw-raves i figured i'd do the same.
>i just realized that my spring break starts 2 days from now, and i *still*
>have no definite plans.  i have 2 things kinda lined up, but, although
>both involve visiting ppl that i'd *love* to see, both also involve
>obscene amounts of driving and money i don't have.  SO, my question to all
>of you is, WHERE CAN I GO????  somewhere reasonably close to detroit would
>be ideal.  anything worth checking out?  and, since there are 2 weekends
>in my spring break, are there any good parties in surrounding states?  (i
>haven't been paying attention to e-flyers, i forgot that i was gonna
>have the time to get my rave on next week).  see, it's rave related now
>=)  but anyway, this is kinda dumb and i realize none of you give a shit
>where i spend my spring break, but hit me with some suggestions, i'm
>looking for more options.  soon.
>-being one of those ppl she finds annoying-
>**doris**
>


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From: "Christophe Asgard" <loki319@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mw] **NRR** Protection

> o.k..so i did..it...i sent the email out this mornin' actually two
> emails cause i didn't have the guts to put it in the first one....i
> sorta chickened out.....but...i did it.....and now all i can do is
> wait....the wait..so the best thing i can do...is to keep extremely
> busy..and not even think about...

thatta way!!!!  yer on the right track :P~~

btw, didn't you say she's on this list?  won't she know yer posting all
this up on a public forum (assuming she's one of the ppl who actually READ
the mw posts they get) :P~~~

that's what i call a PDA now... [awwww]

*belch*

*poof*
-z0d


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Hurmm...from my experience, being a femme, i know that flowers never
hurt..just be sure to send the right ones..so you don't send any mixed
signals...

red roses of course mean love, white roses mean purity, Yellow roses mean
friendship...just like yellow tulips..ya know...the list goes on...

but you can never fail with flowers...it's kind of like diamonds and
engagement rings, they go together, right?

grrls and flowers..(grin)

suzi

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i don't believe for one second that terry, halo or mark will be at that
party. i can personally vouch for two of them.

andrew

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 Panked@aol.com wrote:

>  
> 


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some friends and i are driving down to chicago this weekend from mnpls. 
for Live on the Dex.  my question is concerning Boogie Tribe.  they were 
the main promoters for the halloween party in chicago which i also went 
to and at that event the sound sucked - in both rooms.  so my question 
is: does boogie tribe have a reputation for this sort of thing or do 
they generally do a good job?  i think the flyer says that Log2 is the 
name of the sound crew.  if anybody has any info on either of these 
groups please help me out. 
 
thanks-
nic 





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>From mw-raves-owner-k_os22=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 18 
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>FRom the B-board on DubTRibe's web site. Message from Dub TRibe's
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>
>> doc is awake!
>> 
>>      he's feeling better... i spoke to hom on the phone today and he 
>>      sounds exhausted, but alive and on the road to recovery!!!!
>> 
>>      what a blessing!
>> 
>>      if you want to send cards or flowers to him, please do.
>> 
>>      they go to:
>> 
>>      cedar sini hospital
>>      patient: doc martin
>>      8700 beverly blvd
>>      la, CA
>>      90048
>> 
>>      i'll be down there next weekend and hope to spend a little time 
>>      with him in preson, i'll update this site again after i see my 
>>      brother to let you know more!
>> 
>>      great news!
>> 
>>      sunshine
>
what's going on with Doc Martin, what's he recovering from?


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> what's going on with Doc Martin, what's he recovering from?

from Aids I heard.  Caught a savage case of it from Keoki and his 12 year old
lover I guess.

yes I'm joking ;)
I don't like Doc Martin by the way.
-Lisa

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-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron David Sherding <csherdin@engin.umich.edu>
To: Jon Layne <jonlayne@intuit-solar.com>
Cc: MW-raves@hyperreal.org <MW-raves@hyperreal.org>; intuitinfo@egroups.com
<intuitinfo@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 4:11 PM
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>Don't forget dj Shogun spinning early .
>
>
>On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Jon Layne wrote:
>
>> Tonight!
>>
>> DJ 3D
>> Kid Entropy
>> DJ Shortstop
>>
>> Solar@208 S. First St. Ann Arbor, MI. Doors @ 9:30 P.M., 18+ w/ ID.
>> $8 at the door.
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In a message dated 2/24/99 1:12:42 PM Central Standard Time,
csf6994@tamug.tamu.edu writes:

<< have u guys seen the preflyer, it is crazy, i cant wait me n the friends
 are trying to rent a winnebego.   Part-e   YAY!!!!! >>

oh my gosh, I am so excited for this one!  Madison is only like a 4 hour drive
too...  I hope its not too terribly expensive...  A friend of mine has 2 old
VW busses, but I don't trust them anymore.  Wisconsin just doesnt like them
:)

Jen

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Pancreas probs of some sort. He's been in the hospital for awhile.

Hugz,
Tanya :)

> 
> > what's going on with Doc Martin, what's he recovering from?

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At 12:30 PM 2/24/99 -0600, you wrote:
>You haven't seen the Rave'Em&Bailey III lineup have you?  It's at
>http://www.tribalbrothers.com  and is fuckin' unbelievable.
>

I hope you're kidding.

rave em and bail-e has maybe 4 or 5 headliners plus every person in
wisconsin who owns a record or even just knows what a record is.  I don't
see how that could impress anyone.

I'm not saying your $50 won't buy you a good time there, but unbelievable
is hardly the word I'd use.

chris

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	I hope you're kidding.

	rave em and bail-e has maybe 4 or 5 headliners plus every person in
	wisconsin who owns a record or even just knows what a record is.  I
don't
	see how that could impress anyone.

	I'm not saying your $50 won't buy you a good time there, but
unbelievable
	is hardly the word I'd use.

	Chris




	From the flier I saw, that line-up looks pretty phat. Just my
opinion.

	- Chad

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Hey all u ann arbor and k-zoo kidz who were at hulla...i just got my
pics develped...i hope to post them somewhere so stay tuned...hehe

hugz & candy,
(in the spirit of things)

bekka.



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  I also think the line-up looks real good, but instead of making this a 
huge issue.. People who like the line-up go.. People who dont.. Dont 
go.. Past that.. We all know what opinions are like...
                                        Love to all,
                                              (0_o) Dan Sharp


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>	I hope you're kidding.
>
>	rave em and bail-e has maybe 4 or 5 headliners plus every person in
>	wisconsin who owns a record or even just knows what a record is.  I
>don't
>	see how that could impress anyone.
>
>	I'm not saying your $50 won't buy you a good time there, but
>unbelievable
>	is hardly the word I'd use.
>
>	Chris
>
>
>
>
>	From the flier I saw, that line-up looks pretty phat. Just my
>opinion.
>
>	- Chad


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 22:50:54 1999
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Only 4 or 5 headliners??? I think you need to check it again... There are so
many great DJs on they flyer.  2 many for me to list.  I was at part 2, and if
this one is even half as good as the last one everyone is in for a fantastic
time.
my little 2 cents,
Lisa

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>Only 4 or 5 headliners??? I think you need to check it again... There 
are so
>many great DJs on they flyer.  2 many for me to list.  I was at part 

I would pick R+B3 over this whistle 2 party any day, 'cause they got way 
more trance dj's at R+B3...plus, they're letting me bring in the 
psychedelic trance liberation front sound system (insert demonic 
laughter here)

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At 04:28 PM 2/24/99 -0600, chris ege wrote:
>At 12:30 PM 2/24/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>You haven't seen the Rave'Em&Bailey III lineup have you?  It's at
>>http://www.tribalbrothers.com  and is fuckin' unbelievable.
>>
>
>I hope you're kidding.
>
>rave em and bail-e has maybe 4 or 5 headliners plus every person in
>wisconsin who owns a record or even just knows what a record is.  I don't
>see how that could impress anyone.
>
>I'm not saying your $50 won't buy you a good time there, but unbelievable
>is hardly the word I'd use.
I would pay $50 or more to see Chris Liberator by himself if he was the
only dj there, not to mention christopher lawrence too! And all the other
great trance djs!!! I am going to be sooo dead that week, Destiny the
weekend before then Rave em and bail em the weekend after, chris liberator
2 weekends in a row!!!!  3 months away! ok, getting a lil to excited
there...Anyways it is going to be an excellent month for trancers and I
cannot wait :)
-Jeff

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OKay I just joined MW-RAVES today to find out what's going on w/ Live On The
Decks. I have been on the pb-cle-raves list for about 2 years now....and well
there isn't that much of a discussion goin on for this party. 

First of all Im just trying to get an idea of who is going, is this going to
be a good party, are the promoters cool? Im from Columbus and this is my first
trip to Chicago. Im staying Feb 26-Mar 1. So Im just trying to get a feel for
the city I guess. 

Anything going on Friday night? Clubs, ect?

Peace, Amy

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I agree with that.  I was at the second one and it was a blast.  I
drove all the way from St. Louis, 8 hrs, and it was worth the drive. 
My favorite was the big blow up bouncing cage thing that they had. 
There were way to many people having way to much fun inside of that
thing.  I heard that the main flier for R & B 3 is suppose to be out
in April, FYI.

Stan Doublin




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> Only 4 or 5 headliners??? I think you need to check it again...
There are so
> many great DJs on they flyer.  2 many for me to list.  I was at part
2, and if
> this one is even half as good as the last one everyone is in for a
fantastic
> time.
> my little 2 cents,
> Lisa
> 

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 if no one has replied yet, and sorry i lost the original post for this 
so now the whole list gets it...he...he... but all i know that i have 
handy is their info line. which is 513.665.6572 and a voice mail number 
513.395.8576.  if no one knows christians number and neither of these 
numbers help, write me back and i can make a few calls and get it for 
you.

PLoveUR
-crystal
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 23:39:56 1999
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N e 1 know a good place to rent a winnebego, cuz i will have 1 for the
party, even if i have to take drastic measures   <eg>
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In a message dated 99-02-24 16:12:16 EST, k_os22@hotmail.com writes:

<<  i think the flyer says that Log2 is the 
 name of the sound crew.  >>


well it said the same thing on the flyer for haloween to, but no dice...

they are good guys tho, the sound company they rented from that time was new
and that was what they considered to be 8 blocks of their best sound, it was
just a problem with what people considered to be a lot of sound, with the
amount of slack they took for that one, im sure it wont happen again.

cr

PS.
be on the lookout for THUMPER flyers this weekend.

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In a message dated 2/23/99 8:29:05 PM Central Standard Time,
willebear@mindspring.com writes:

<< .One said that 420
 was the area code for Orange County California where, as you probably know,
 massive (I mean MASSIVE!) amounts of marijuana come from.  >>

actually there iz no 420 area code.... therez 418, 419, and 423 but no 420
and tha place with all the bud in cali is humbolt county na orange

peace
NNOthing

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 25 00:37:32 1999
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I was sending out this message to you all and seeing if anyone from the
U.S. (Midwest more specifically) is planning on going this year to the
Loveparade.  It's supposed to be 10-7-99 and if you know what it is, then
you also know it's in BERLIN!  Yeah baby...  Anyway I was going to try and
save up the cash for the trip over this summer and go in October.  But...
if there's enough peoplez going from around the Midwest then perhaps buying
plane tickets at group rates could save ALOT of money.   If you don't know
anything about the Parade, it's basically a Huge rave on the streets of
Berlin, Germany for the past couple years.  Last year of 1 million people
attended...

The website is:
http://www.loveparade.de

wanna see a kickass video clip?  Try Episode 10 of Freakcity:
http://www.raveworld.net/freakcity/freakcity.html


anyway, hope there's interest....

Ciao,
      Mike



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On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 FuNkyBiZz@aol.com wrote:

> First of all Im just trying to get an idea of who is going, is this going to
> be a good party, are the promoters cool? Im from Columbus and this is my first
> trip to Chicago. Im staying Feb 26-Mar 1. So Im just trying to get a feel for
> the city I guess. 

I am going to be there.  I hope they improve over their Halloween fuck up.
Lots of your typical and more popular "rave" djs.  Should be very big. I
hvanet seen Hardfloor yet.  I know, i know....



> 
> Anything going on Friday night? Clubs, ect?

*shameless plug*
If you want to stop off in Lafayette on the way up theres going to be a
cool party going on here this Friday. (Its right off of I-65, one hour
past Indy).

Dont expect a "rave."  Expect loud electronic music, an ambient room,
and lots of people dancing in the basement of a church...

who cares,
Adam


> 
> Peace, Amy
> 


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 25 00:54:07 1999
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is it really necessary to send a message to both me and the list?  I am
subscribed to the list so i think it could be assumed that I'll see the
message WITHOUT ccing it to me.  So if its a private message to me, don't
cc it to the list.  and if you're planning to post to the list, don't cc it
to me.

especially if its about how much you like bad overpriced camput parties
thrown by even worse promoters.

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just forwarding this from my crew.... =)

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There's been so many stupid rumors going around I have to laugh. The 
parties gonna get shut down, Hardfloor's not coming, what's next? I 
think it's people with nothing better to talk about. It's like a soap 
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confirmed and ready to go.

Thanks,
Mike-BT

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Feb 25 01:19:40 1999
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yea, god arent people just soo dumb sometimes?

sheesh.

Christopher Renz
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At 06:35 PM 2/24/99 -0600, --o-- Mike --o-- wrote:
>I was sending out this message to you all and seeing if anyone from the
>U.S. (Midwest more specifically) is planning on going this year to the
>Loveparade.  It's supposed to be 10-7-99 and if you know what it is, then
>you also know it's in BERLIN!  Yeah baby...  Anyway I was going to try and
>save up the cash for the trip over this summer and go in October.  But...
>if there's enough peoplez going from around the Midwest then perhaps buying
>plane tickets at group rates could save ALOT of money.   If you don't know
>anything about the Parade, it's basically a Huge rave on the streets of
>Berlin, Germany for the past couple years.  Last year of 1 million people
>attended...
>
my roomie is prolly going this year again, and fyi 10-7-99 means july 10th,
1999. Europeans put the day first :)
-Jeff

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PixiEg4713@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > what's going on with Doc Martin, what's he recovering from?
> 
> from Aids I heard.  Caught a savage case of it from Keoki and his 12 year old
> lover I guess.
> 
> yes I'm joking ;)
> I don't like Doc Martin by the way.

What a nasty thing to say!!! 

Btw, the reports I read did not say what he was sick with, just that he
was sick enough to be in the hospital. 

PS, Take it easy with the "Reply to All" key!

-- Robin

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Doc martin had a pancreas Problem, which I can relate to since i am 
Diabetic.. But anyhow!!! its good to hear that he is ok.. And My My My, 
what morbid things people have to say about other people. Whether you 
like them or not..Didnt yer mother ever tell you that if you dont have 
anything nice to say, dont say anything??
                                 Pondering Humanity
                                    (o_0) Dan Sharp


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>> > what's going on with Doc Martin, what's he recovering from?
>> 
>> from Aids I heard.  Caught a savage case of it from Keoki and his 12 
year old
>> lover I guess.
>> 
>> yes I'm joking ;)
>> I don't like Doc Martin by the way.
>
>What a nasty thing to say!!! 
>
>Btw, the reports I read did not say what he was sick with, just that he
>was sick enough to be in the hospital. 
>
>PS, Take it easy with the "Reply to All" key!
>
>-- Robin


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>my roomie is prolly going this year again, and fyi 10-7-99 means july 10th,
>1999. Europeans put the day first :)
>-Jeff
>
um... Doh!  He's right, the party's in July. hm... that's cool I don't have
to miss school now in october for the love parade. now, just have to aquire
the cash. anyway, i'm in mid-missouri, i looked up prices the other day and
it seemed $1000 might cover the trip expenses, any comments on that?

Wanting to travel,
      MiKe




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what a fooking tragedy.....

Mad love given to all of the musicians who work their asses off everyday
and make countless sacrifices to supply the world around them with truly
inspired music.  

fuck industry...

peace and love...

-pm-

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well if its in july...i am already gonna be there in europe yay yay yay!!!

P.

On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, --o-- Mike --o-- wrote:

> >my roomie is prolly going this year again, and fyi 10-7-99 means july 10th,
> >1999. Europeans put the day first :)
> >-Jeff
> >
> um... Doh!  He's right, the party's in July. hm... that's cool I don't have
> to miss school now in october for the love parade. now, just have to aquire
> the cash. anyway, i'm in mid-missouri, i looked up prices the other day and
> it seemed $1000 might cover the trip expenses, any comments on that?
>
> Wanting to travel,
>       MiKe
>
>
>
>


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I still have the burton twin 158 for sale!!!!   75 buckaroos.
Sorry for the unrelated post,
Stumps


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	Hey does anybody have a good current number to get a hold of them?

My only number seems to be to a voicemail I have the feeling that they
barley check aNYmore.

thanks in advance.

-danXanthous





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On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:25:41 -0500 "WillEBear" <willebear@mindspring.com>
writes:
>Miami
>Beach...................Winter...........................Musik..........
....
>..  ...........Conference@!!
>All you ravey dreams fulfilled.

ohh just the thought of it *drooool* -- but that takes both loads o' cash
and prolly 17 hrs of driving if yer coming from d-town, like dear Doris,
and she wasn't wanting to drive forever and spend mad loot........btw, i
heard it would cost about $300, but that includes passes into all the
parties and hotel room.  Anyone know what the deal is??  I had somewhat
looked into it with a friend of mine from atlanta, but I know for a fact
I'm not gonna make it this year -- ..maybe next time....... :P

hey doris!  ever visit indiana?? :D

X's and O's,
jessica/jes c

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Well, if anyone cares (I don't), here are the dance-related category
winners at the Grammy's tonite:

Dance production of the year: Madonna - Ray of Light
Remixer of the year: David Morales

*sigh*

-ben

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depends on the definition of sell-out.......
for him there are two ways, monetarily and the str8-edge sell-out (which
means doing drugs)
monetarily, fuck no he will never sell-out..
but from a st8-edge perspective (by doing drugs)...he has sold out...
yay for Ian......

WillEBear wrote:

> I'm gonna have to go with Ian McKaye from Fugazi!
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> >I think GG Allin will never sell out, if he was still alive...
> >
> >Senseless posting by Phil




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I'm going, i don't have the money right now but i plan on savin up enough to
go, i thought it was in august though..... oh well, i still plan on going, and
i would love to be a part of a group trip type thing, cuz i need ta save money
any way possible when i go.
~*HuGz*~   Laine

In a message dated 2/24/99 6:37:51 PM CST, damewood@umr.edu writes:

<< I was sending out this message to you all and seeing if anyone from the
 U.S. (Midwest more specifically) is planning on going this year to the
 Loveparade.  It's supposed to be 10-7-99 and if you know what it is, then
 you also know it's in BERLIN!  Yeah baby...  Anyway I was going to try and
 save up the cash for the trip over this summer and go in October.  But...
 if there's enough peoplez going from around the Midwest then perhaps buying
 plane tickets at group rates could save ALOT of money.   If you don't know
 anything about the Parade, it's basically a Huge rave on the streets of
 Berlin, Germany for the past couple years.  Last year of 1 million people
 attended...
 
 The website is:
 http://www.loveparade.de
  >>

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anyone know who all won, i had ta work so i missed it
~*HuGz*~    Laine

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Hi all!

I think European parades are very cool indeed. Last year I was in Berlin's
"Love Parade" and some weeks later in Paris' "Techno Parade". If you guys
can make them both, go for them!

Just two words, on the other hand....

For those who like to criticize "mainstream" culture, one can perfectly say
that these parades are pretty "well behaved". I was reading "Lib=E9ration"
(French progressist newspaper) and it was overtly criticizing the Techno
Parade for being too mainstream (sic!), yeah... And the Technopol,
organizers of the French parade, on their turn, were criticizing Berlin
organizers for being too commercial!  ;-)

I totally agree with Lib=E9ration, and with Technopol as well: these parades
tend to be conformist and "mainstreamized" - but I must agree: this is a
smart strategy for being accepted, and I second them.

Anyway, moreover, I would not compare a parade with a rave. They are quite
different things: a parade is a rare happening indeed, but with very
different goals and attitudes than those of a rave party. Personally, I
feel the rave as being much funnier and funkier!

So, besides participating in the parades, I'd suggest you guys to try
Bor=E9alis mega-rave in France, as well as the Northern-Rheinian rave scene
(Frankfurt, Dusseldorf...).

A Mega-Shout,
Tony

"Ich bin ein Berliner." (John F. Kennedy)


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what the hell is a grammy?
is it 1000 milligrammies?

if you win a thousand grammies, do you get a kilogrammy?

Or, perhaps a Grammy is me Mammie's Mammie...ya know the wife of me
Grampy.

or maybe it's an adjective, similar to smurfy, but the little people who
constantly use it aren't as cute...nor are they blue.

have a Grammy day,
Chad

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give me some food.


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can i relate to you all my love parade tragedy?
last year- I was in germany for a GAPP exchange.  This was my third trip to
germany- and my seond time with this teacher.  He knew I had the skills to get
around safely in germany by myself, and i took full advantage of that fact.  
Love parade was coming up.  After lookign at my itenerary, i realized I would
be leaving the day after love parade.  SUCK!!!!!!
What if i came straight to the airport after love parade... hmm?  well I
checked in at the Reiseburo and picked up every bahn schedule for anytrain
that had anything to do with wurzburg, berlin or frankfurt a.M.   
Knowing I had to be at the airport for international flights two hours ahead,
i realized the closest train was three hours late.  Even if i tried to shaft
security i would've been an hour late for my flight.  schiesse!!!!!!!
so- i sat at home that day and watched as millions of europe's youth stormed
the capitol of germany for a day.  Well over a million...  Three different
channels broadcasted live for over 17 hours.  My host family wondered how the
hell i could watch that all day....  
Can you understand how much that sucks?!?!?  three friggin hours!!!!  the LOVE
PARADE!!!!  i can;t believe it.  I was seriously considering missing my
flight....  i don't think you guys understand.....

=)s'
mikee
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-----Original Message-----
From: WillEBear <willebear@mindspring.com>
To: soulbeatz@juno.com <soulbeatz@juno.com>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 1:03 AM
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>I've got the recipe for the discount rave vacation of a lifetime.
>1.  Fly Southwest-the plane ticket is gonna be your most expensive part.
>This late in the game it'll probably be @round $250 if your lucky.
>
>2.  Stay at a youth hostile.  Youth hostile's in Miami costs about $12 to
>$14 dollars a night and are right in the middle of the action.  Don't
expect
>a T.V. in your room, but if your watching any T.V. during the WMC you
should
>be impaled by a large pole.  A web addy for youth hostile's is
>www.backpackers.ca/Listings/USA/newpage34.htm
>Plus, there's NO TIME for sleep down there.  Be prepared to be awake for at
>least 5 days straight!
>
>3.  DON'T BUY A PASS!!!  They are way too expensive and give you the
>illusion that you are hot shit because you walk around with a tag with your
>hip DJ name and your handsome mug on it.  Not worth it.  You can access all
>the hot parties without the badge and the cover for like Carl Craig, Josh
>Wink, Doc Martin, King Britt is like $5 bucks!! (True story)
>That brings us to about $90 bucks for room and parties.  The plane ticket
is
>the kicker.  I drove last year from Louisville, KY (17 hours straight!!)
>and i was cracked out from the moment I got there.  I don't recommend
>driving.  Plus PARKING SUCKS on South Beach!!  I had to feed a meter like
$4
>bucks every three hours for like 5 days!!!$$$$!!  Everything is in walking
>distance.
>c'mon, ya know ya wanna go
>Live well, Laugh often, and Love much,
>Will Russell
>Louisville, KY
>willebear@mindspring.com
>"You can do it!!"
>-that guy from the Waterboy
>-----Original Message-----
>From: soulbeatz@juno.com *+*Jessica/jesc*+* <soulbeatz@juno.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 11:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [mw] kinda silly....definately nrr...or wait, not really
>
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>>On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:25:41 -0500 "WillEBear" <willebear@mindspring.com>
>>writes:
>>>Miami
>>>Beach...................Winter...........................Musik..........
>>....
>>>..  ...........Conference@!!
>>>All you ravey dreams fulfilled.
>>
>>ohh just the thought of it *drooool* -- but that takes both loads o' cash
>>and prolly 17 hrs of driving if yer coming from d-town, like dear Doris,
>>and she wasn't wanting to drive forever and spend mad loot........btw, i
>>heard it would cost about $300, but that includes passes into all the
>>parties and hotel room.  Anyone know what the deal is??  I had somewhat
>>looked into it with a friend of mine from atlanta, but I know for a fact
>>I'm not gonna make it this year -- ..maybe next time....... :P
>>
>>hey doris!  ever visit indiana?? :D
>>
>>X's and O's,
>>jessica/jes c
>>
>>*+*Soulbeatz*+* ~ IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC ~~ feel it your soul and
>>represent the beatz u feel :)  :)  :)
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>>(((((((((((Soulbeatz Productions))))))))))))))
>>
>>_next stop_
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>So, besides participating in the parades, I'd suggest you guys to try
>Borialis mega-rave in France, as well as the Northern-Rheinian rave scene
>(Frankfurt, Dusseldorf...).

I'd suggest hate parade only i heard it was nothing more than a vehicle for
alec empire to yell a lot about his simple minded atari teenage riot politics.

Go to the clubs, that's what europe's all about. 

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here's something to try, and this only works if you live around either
detroit or minneapolis.  (so doris you should be reading this)

go to www.nwa.com which is the northwest airlines page.  search the site
for "cybersavers" and you'll come up with a form which you fill out.  Then
tuesday nights/wednesday mornings right at midnight you'll get an email
with some sick prices.  I'm talkin nothing more than $200 and usually under
$100 roundtrip.  The thing is, there's usually only 4 or 5 destinations you
can choose from, and its kinda random chance whether or not it's somewhere
worth going.

the tickets go really fast, so you pretty much have to be ready to buy them
right when the mailer comes out.  You buy the tickets on wednesday and fly
on friday, so you're not gonna have a whole lot of time to plan out your
vacation.  Most trips are either for a weekend or a whole week.

I saw minneapolis to singapore for $199 roundtrip...  And
minneapolis-seattle-tokyo for around $400. usually it's not international
things though.

it's a cool thing if you want to take a spur of the moment trip that you
won't know where you're going until 2 days before you leave. 

i think other airlines have the same deal too...

chris

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You have no idea how thrilled i am about scott hardkiss AND scott henry
being in indy on march 13th!!  Does anyone know what they're gonna be
spinning?? 

 Is scott hardkiss's set gonna be anything like his legendary set at Even
Further '96? (hypnotic breaks, it was wonderous) and is he 100%
confirmed? last time scott hardkiss was on an indy flyer, he never showed
up and the promoters said something about a hurricane delaying his
flight, (which was shit 'cuz there was no hurricanes happening at the
time - grrr) 

... And does anyone know what time scott henry's going on??  He's
probably the greatest early morning dj (characterized by some progressive
house, breakbeatz laden with piano..mmm...)  :-9  - but if they put him
on earlier in the nite he'll most likely spin a bit of progressive house
& "favorites" (ya know, the more popular tracks)...

email me privately, or tell it to the world -- just lemme know!!!

miles of smiles, 
jessica/jesc
:D

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> I'd suggest hate parade only i heard it was nothing more than a vehicle for
> alec empire to yell a lot about his simple minded atari teenage riot politics.

actually.. they're calling it Fuck Parade now... and there's a webpage up at
http://www.bembelterror.com/fuckparade/


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>Anyway, moreover, I would not compare a parade with a rave. They are quite
>different things: a parade is a rare happening indeed, but with very
>different goals and attitudes than those of a rave party. Personally, I
>feel the rave as being much funnier and funkier!
>
semantics...  watch the video clip and tell me that there's not a vibe.
but, thanks for the correction.

Corrected,
       Mike



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funky charmz is in MINNEapolis, not INDIANapolis...

sorry jes :(

the party _is_ worth going to tho!  dj brisk!  plus mr. spree and the
cloudskipper...good stuff!

once i talked to someone on the phone that insisted there was a city called
"minneanapolis".  doh...



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*whew*

sometimes when you do something for a reason, it gets turned around...

the meaning gets lost in a process and any desired effect it may have had
gets filtered through individuals who have their own agenda...people who
don't really believe in what you are doing.

so far, this hasn't been the case with a party we are throwing called
"Everest" between Madison and Milwaukee.

while things are still in fairly embryonic stages, we secured our space
today...Bit by bit,things are falling into place, and i wanted to start
getting word to like minded individuals who might like to come.

You see, the idea behind the party started out as a very personal concept
i had to deal with.  i was struggling with ideas of distance and
separation. And the way i felt i could effectively get over that was to
create an environment where it was self-evident that these things were but
an illusion, created by someone or something or someone's or somethings to
allow a self to be a self (this didn't really become part of my experience
till later, but read on).

you see, since i met jaimmie, i felt i had found someone who i could
continue to grow with...who supported me and loved me without condition
and who i loved also without condition and wanted for her only what was
the best for her. but she was going to spain for the summer to be a nanny.
she felt drawn and asking her to stay her was out of the question.

the distance along with the amount of time, were things that i was
uncomfortable with...and i was unsure why. it seemed to me that if i could
get other people to see and experience these things as what causes the
illusion of separateness, surely i could get myself to see and experience
the same thing.

this is how the party got started. 

As i thought about it more, i started to see things from different angles.
i wondered why i feared distance, and why i still allow myself to
experience passage of time, to look forward to something or wish to go
back to a period of time...instead of living completely "in the moment"

i wondered if jaimmie was "the one", and i thought about the many turns
our paths could take should she meet some hotty spaniard, or should i meet
some hotty californian while we were apart.  i took a look at how deep
our love ran, and it seemed to me we would be together no matter what.
flashes of insight showed this to me, along with attention to
feelings...attention to emotion, and attention to my own best interest.

and then it happened, after a ghetto-ass party in chicago in the back of
my friend Nick's car, as jaimmie and i were both tripping quite hard...
we experienced ourselves creating our universe together.  we were one
entity with many facets, and without words, we decided we would remain
that way...forever.  we decided this was our marriage, we knew that
neither time nor distance held us apart...we knew that time and distance
were created for us, and by us, to make re-unions that much sweeter (among
other reasons).  see, i think the human experience depends on time...i'm
sure it's not a new idea (and it's really based on experience rather than 
anything i was told in my semester of introductory physics), but time
allows any number of things to happen. time allows accelleration, and
therefore the many different sensations that deal with touch.  time allows
boredom, and unfulfillment...but also the chance to eventually be
fulfilled. 

we saw how we lived life in parallel to each other...till we were finally
drawn together, and we remembered ourselves at different points of
awareness making the same agreement...simply to be together.  it was
exillerating to know that a plan can be so detailed...and you can carry it
out with so little effort that you are actually (for a time) unaware of
its existence. but it does require effort nonetheless...this comes in the
form of decisions.

it was so comforting to know the degree to which one can control their
destiny if they walk the earth with open eyes.  it was also a comfort to
know that a glass of spilt milk can be the catalyst that ultimately leads
you to realizing your dreams (literally, and figuratively).

some of this has to do with Everest, and some of it has to do with
Jaimmie, Nick, and I...and i guess there's really not much difference. 
because so far we are putting as much of ourselves into this party as we
can.  The urgency is there, and we strongly believe there's nothing wrong
with a world full of dreamers, as long as we try to dream lucidly.

Call 414.299.9256 to keep updated on what's going on...we'll let you know
the full line-up when the line-up is full.  the cost will not exceed
fifteen dollars and any proceeds go to a charity or charities to be
determined by everyone involved.  a percentage (i believe %20) goes
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if you feel you can contribute...you can.  our question is how.  the
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with them.  those whose smile extends to people they've never met.  people
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achieve its purpose...we'll give you the tools.

stay tuned.

On behalf of Jaimmie and Nick...
All of our love.
 
Chad 


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After I wrote a little thing on altered states of consciousness a
couple weeks ago, several people expressed interest in how to induce
altered states by exposing themselves to different brainwave
frequency.  By request, I began writing a guide on how to do this, and
then realized what a daunting task it was to write all about the
various effects of different brainwave frequencies, not to mention all
the details of what must be done in order to get the best effects (or
any effects at all).  It's actually really easy to do, and easy to
learn, there's just a lot of information to impart.  Instead of
rewriting the book, I've decided to just point people in the general
direction, and if you have any questions, hopefully I can answer them.

Besides meditation, the cheapest, easiest, and most controllable way
to do this is by using computer software capable of generating brain
wave frequencies.  You could get tapes, goggles, ambient machines,
special chairs, or other products, but they're much more limited, and
usually aren't worth the money.  On the software tip, the only two
that I know of are Flasher and CoolEdit 96: one uses visual impulses,
the other audio.  Flasher v1.51 is a shareware DOS program, and is
available in the Hyperreal archives at:
www.hyperreal.org/intersection/tools/msdos/graphics/eye_candy/

It flashes colored patterns at a predefined frequency, and basically,
you stare at the flashing image for a while, and then shut your eyes. 
Although it technically worked for me, I don't recommend it.  The only
real advantage I see in this method is the use of colors and patterns,
which have subliminal effects in themselves--a lot more than most
people realize; manufacturers of all sorts of products, from laundry
detergent to tablecloths, take this into consideration.

The next way is much more enjoyable, effective, and highly
recommended: generating a brainwave frequency and encoding it into a
sound wave. You can't hear a brainwave frequency by itself, so in
order for it to be effective you need a "carrier" sound.  Certain
kinds of sound work much better than others: natural and repetitive
sounds, like waterfalls and rivers, work best, and raw noise works
really well, too (especially pink or brown); but you could still
encode brainwaves into any song.  In fact, many trance tracks actually
*are* encoded with Theta waves.  So why don't you slip into a trance
every time you listen to them?  Because in order for sound-carried
brainwaves to work, they have to be heard via stereo headphones (the
headphones don't even have to be very good, either).  It would be
extremely difficult to engineer a listening scenario that did not
require headphones.

Cool Edit includes a feature specifically for generating brainwave
frequencies, and documents its use and application very well in its
online help, even if it doesn't cover everything.  Other than in Cool
Edit's Help, you can also find the manual in Acrobat format at:
ftp://ftp.syntrillium.com/pub/cool_edit/coolman.pdf
or in a zipped Word document at:
ftp://ftp.syntrillium.com/pub/cool_edit/coolman.zip

The section on Brainwave Synchronization starts on page 64 of the
Acrobat (PDF) file.

There was a discussion on the MDMA mailing list a ways back about the
way Theta waves boost seratonin levels (among other things), and a
bloke actually posted a step-by-step guide to creating a pre-roll
program (i.e., long brainwave session involving different frequencies)
using Cool Edit 96.  I really don't know see how the benefits of the
program correlate to rolling, other than the Theta parts for an easy
seratonin boost, but it's an interesting program nonetheless.  For
those who want a how-to besides Cool Edit's manual, the bulk of the
post follows.  Don't be intimidated by it... they don't have to be
anywhere near as complex as this one.  Creating a brainwave session
can either take seconds or hours, depending on how many frequency
changes you make.  I HIGHLY recommend experimenting with brainwaves. 
The following program is probably better for people somewhat
experienced in sound editors, but anybody can make a looped brainwave
file: just follow the instructions in the Cool Edit manual, and offer
up any questions.  I'm more than willing to help people who want to
play with brainwaves, and it's always interesting to compare
notes/experiences.

---------------------------------------------------------

From: "Carl Pedersen" <c@pedersen.powernet-int.co.uk>
To: <mdmalist@ephemia.annex.net>
Subject: A new Brainwave program, for you.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:17:47 +0100

Hey there, well, I finally got my shit together, last night and today
and created a new BW file.  I've yet to try it, and did two different
varients, one with panning, and one without.

But first some info on panning, for those of you interested.
With the bw synchroniser, you have to dial in a freq, as follows.

Freq in Hz              Description
30.00 ~ 23.00           High Beta
22.99 ~ 16.00           Beta
15.99 ~ 14.40           Low Beta
14.39 ~ 13.50           Beta/Alpha
13.49 ~ 12.40           High Alpha
12.39 ~ 09.90           Alpha
09.89 ~ 08.20           Low Alpha
08.19 ~ 07.70           Alpha/Theta
07.69 ~ 07.10           High Theta
07.09 ~ 04.90           Theta
04.89 ~ 04.30           Low Theta
04.29 ~ 03.90           Theta/Delta
03.89 ~ 03.00           High Delta
02.99 ~ 01.50           Delta
01.49 ~ 00.50           Low Delta
00.49 ~ 00.01           Panning

Generally I've used panning waves over the entire session after
fininshing it, and tend to use frequencies of between 0.1 and 0.2 Hz

Ok ok so that bit out of the way, here are the details (step by
stepish) on how to create a 60min, E trip prep, program. I created it
flat and you'll need ideally about 1Gb spare disc space, though it
would be possible with 700Mb, but will take longer, or you can use the
playlist and cue sheet combination, and probably get it down to about
100Mb

Note, when clicking the wave always select BOTH channels, there is NO
single channel manipulation required/desired, with this file.

1       create the carrier, (feel free to use a different carrier, eg.
pink) choose file new, 44.1KHz, stereo, 16Bit.  Generate/Noise, Brown
Spatial 900microsec., intensity 4, duration 20 sec. wait until
finished, 

1a      then zoom in to the max setting, position view at beginning, and
click between first and second sample of wave, a yellow line should
appear, click edit/zero cross adjust, (line will move, maybe off
screen), click full view button, the yellow line should be just
visable, now hold down the shift key, and click the grey frame just to
the left of the wave window, (a small blue   section should become
highlighted (both channels), now hit the delete key.

1b      You now need to repeat step 1a but at the other end of the wave.
Steps 1a and 1b will result in a wave file of just under 20 sec, but
with clean zero cross leadin/outs, and will mean no clicks or pops,
and no post filtering should be needed.

2       Save the 20 sec clip as "brown 4 spatial 900.wav", as this is
our basic  building block, from which we'll copy paste from. After
saving, double click the wave and edit/copy.

3       Click file new instance, (always the same 44.1,16bit, stereo)
ctrl+v to paste our 20 sec clip into the new instance, then click the
grey frame just to the right of the wave window, (wave should
unhighlight), then ctrl + v again, to paste in another. repeat 4 more
times until you have a 2min wave, then save it as scratchpad 2min.

Important:
So as to have clean transitions, I now work with as many as 6 seperate
instances, at once, 1 basic instance, is the one we'll now build up on,
and eventually save as the final finished file, (i'd recommend saving
after every 3 or 4 paste ins), 2 others are our 20 sec and 2 min
clips, and 2 to 3 others are temp scratchpads, we'll paste to, until
the clips are the right lengh, then bw them, cut them and past to the
main file.

4       file/new instance, (again always 44.1, 16. stereo), save it as
B4BW.wav.  Copy the 2 min clip and paste it to B4BW, double click it,
then transform/special/brainwave synchroniser. Always have Smooth wave
ticked.  Set the low AND high settings to 12Hz, intensity 30. leave
centering on ) and the graph flat, click ok, and wait for the
generator to finish.

4a      OPTIONAL: click say ten sec into the wave, then hold shift and
click the LEFT grey frame, the beginning of the wave should be
highlighted, now click transform/amplitude/amplify, double click FADE
IN PRESET and then OK, this will funnily enough fade in the file, for
a more gentle start.
        
5       Now double click the wave to highligh the whole thing, and click
vue/cue list.  Then ADD, then type a LABEL and description. Click the
grey fram to the RIGHT of the wave window, to select after the cue
point.  Save NOW

Note:   Now the rest of the file is made in the same manner, preparing
clips to the correct length, in scratchpad instances, pasting them in,
and BW-ing them, THEN WHILE they are still selected ADD CUES, this is
really important, as the file will take a while and it is SSSOOOO easy
to loose track, remember you're screwing with your brain here so
mistakes are probably not a good thing.

Ok so here is the full cue list from start to finish, I strongly
recommend printing this, and you can tick it off as you go, I actually
lost track a few times last night and had to revert to last saved, so
be warned, I always map out on paper first, many steps are repetitive,
and you forget, just where you are.

oh just one more thing, the graph, the characters in this column refer
to the gradient of the graph, eg ( \ = graph at top on left, sloping
down along the time line to bottom right), another ( - = flat horizontal
line), and another ( / = opposite to first eg, ie start bottom left
going up and along to top right), and finally ( ^ = a big SPIKE (way
cool), you put both ends of the graph at the bottom, click the middle
of the line and a control point will appear, drag it up to the top,
like a big rollercoaster, go'n up, go'n doooowwwn)

We can also use the graph to make the intensity go up or down but keep
the frequency the same!!!!!, this is a very classy thing to do, as the
final result is very subtle, and gentle, and we do this a few times in
this file, so be careful what you do with the graph, and always note
the freq scale on the right of it, while checking your intensity
settings.


Label   Desc            Low     Int     Graph   High    Int     Length

12Hz    Intro           12      30      -       12      30      2min
12-10   Down 1          10      35      \       12      30      40sec
10      Rest 1          10      35      -       10      35      2min
10-8    Down 2          8       40      \       10      35      40sec
8       Rest 2          8       40      -       8       40      2min
8-6     Down 3          6       45      \       8       40      40sec
6       Rest 3 long     6       45      -       6       45      4min
6-4     Down 4          4       50      \       6       45      40sec
4       Rest 4 long     4       50      -       4       50      4min
4-8-4   Spike 1         4       50      ^       8       45      40sec
4       Spike divider 1 4       55      \       4       50      2min
4-8-4   Spike 2         4       55      ^       8       45      40sec
4       Spike divider 2 4       55      -       4       55      2min
4-8-4   Spike 3         4       55      ^       8       45      40sec
4       Spike divider 3 4       55      -       4       55      2min
4-8-4   Spike 4         4       55      ^       8       45      40sec
4       Spike divider 4 4       55      -       4       55      2min
4-3     Down 5          3       55      \       4       55      40sec
3       Deep/intense    3       60      \       3       55      6min
3-4     Up 1            3       60      /       4       55      40sec
4       Up rest 1       4       55      -       4       55      3min
4-6     Up 2            4       55      /       6       50      40sec
6       Up rest 2       6       50      /       6       45      3min
6-7     Up 3            6       45      /       7       45      40sec
7       Up rest 3       7       45      -       7       45      3min
7-8     Up 4            7       45      /       8       40      40sec
8       Up rest 4       8       40      -       8       40      3min
8-9     Up 5            8       40      /       9       35      40sec
9       Up rest 5       9       35      -       9       35      3min
9-10    Up 6            9       35      /       10      35      40sec
10      Up rest 6       10      35      -       10      35      3min
10-12   Up 7            10      35      /       12      30      80sec
12      Up rest 7 finale        12      30      -       12      30  3min

As you can see this program starts mid Alpha, drops to low alpha,
dwells a bit here, drops straight to theta, then deep theta/delta,
then has a succession of 40sec spikes upto alpha/theta, and back down to
theta/delta, before dropping deeper into highdelta/delta from which it
starts back up to theta/delta, then to theta, high theta, alpha/theta,
low alpha, alpha and finally returning to alpha. 
Most of the time is in the alpha/theta range, I'd liked to spend more
time in the alpha range, but believe the theta will be required to
relax you, and all the transitions are very gentle, so hopefully, one
can remain "tranced", throughout.  If anyone tries this, (and I hope
someone does, as this took f'n ages to write), please let us know how
you get on, as will I.

Have a great weekend everyone.
ciao
Carl

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Todd

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---Todd Moody  wrote:
> Cool Edit includes a feature specifically for generating brainwave
> frequencies, 

A friend of mine has Cool Edit, and apparently it does work quite
well......we shall see......I'm testing it out next week.  Thanks for
the informative posting!

Theta-lover,
lil sarah

 

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....must comment...i am so happy..there were two things on the grammy's that
made my night happy after werk...

#1  Andrea Bocelli and Celine Dion have a beautiful duo..(sigh)
and then right after that..
#2  B.B. King and Eric Clapton did a duo....(grin)

i am complete...i have to get someone to mix up some adrea bocelli for
me..(grin)
...it has been said that he has the voice G-d would have ...if he were to
speak to mortal man...

sorry...not rave related, but it made this grrlie happy..

suzi

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hey whoever was askin about the song in the background of the kimball
collins tune, it is Obelix (Terra Firma Remix).  and there is a real
cool version of it on that kimball collins session 1 cd i was talkin
bout its #3
Stumps

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>yah..the flyer is most definately..freaky..i have like 4 of em..and 
yeah..i'm plannig on goning..i hear it's in toronto..is that true.. :)
>
>have u guys seen the preflyer, it is crazy, i cant wait me n the 
friends
>are trying to rent a winnebego.   Part-e   YAY!!!!!
>Stumps


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------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phantasy
February 26, 99

Marcus Watkins & Niko (tag-team)
Mike Groove
Thumper
Hugo & Nebula
Daryl Cura
AcidMan
Brandon S.
Kid Klone
Josh Phillips
Biobooster
Dj Richie
Subzero
Agent 25
MC Mirage

INFO NUMBER
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Support the undaground. Original sessions.





sup guys

pretty good lineup.  everyone don't forget to include the area where these
pawtees are cuz we live all over the place.
thank yas
lata

Jax

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On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, dj fishead wrote:

> actually.. they're calling it Fuck Parade now... and there's a webpage up at
> http://www.bembelterror.com/fuckparade/

Wow now *thats* a lineup! I think the Fuck Parade looks like the place to be!


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Well here is a web site where you can order some. 

Good all-purpose hearing info site:
http://www.hearnet.com/text/mainframe.html

Protect your Hearing -- the Scoop on Earplugs:
http://www.hearnet.com/text/protection.html

I was checking out some info on earplugs on the internet and came across
all this
info. Kind of surprising! I would guess that means a person can suffer
hearing damage at most parties after only a half-hour to an hour of
unprotected hearing. 

Hope some of you find this useful. It really disturbs me to see so many
ppl damaging their hearing at every party when it is totally
unnnecessary! Cheap, good sound quality earplugs DO exist. The earplugs
that I use are a good compromise between sound quality and sound
muffling. They are called ER-20 ready-fit plugs and you can buy them on
this web site. It says they reduce sound levels by 12 dB, but a
commercial package for one pair I saw said 20 dB. If you've only tried
the foam ones, or never tried any, give these a try. You can probably
find them in your local supermarket or drug store if you're lucky. 

I LOVE my ER-20 earplugs (a gift from a true friend in Ames, IA). They
don't muffle the sound too bad. I don't feel liike I'm yelling in my own
ears. I don't have trouble carrying on a conversation, and the music
still sounds GREAT!! I wear them at nearly every party. They came
connected by a cord which helps me not lose them. 

Here are some excerpts off the site:

>>Intensity of sound is perceived by a listener as loudness. Intensity or
volume is measured in decibels(dB). 0 (zero) dB is the softest sound
that
can be heard. Normal conversation is around 40 to 60 dB. A rock concert
can
average between 110 and 120 dB. Sound becomes painful at 125 dB. The
sound
from a jet plane is approximately 140 dB.
At rock shows, the dB level can be as great as 140 dB in front of the
speakers, but less than 120 dB at the back.
The maximum exposure time for unprotected ears per day is 8 hours at 90
dB
according to The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA)
guidelines. For every 5 dB increase in volume, the maximum exposure time
is
cut in half. 
*       95 dB - 4 hours 
*       100 dB - 2 hours (most parties? -- RU)
*       110 dB - 30 minutes (right in front of speakers? -- RU)
*       120 dB- 7.5 minutes 
Many hearing professionals believe that these permissible levels are
still
too high for hearing safety.
Other sources of noise: bars, dance clubs, <snip> stereo headsets. 
Is Your Hearing at Risk?
Warning signs:
After exposure to loud music or noise you may experience one or more of
the
following: 
*       Ringing or buzzing in the ears 
*       Slight muffling of sounds 
*       Difficulty in understanding speech. You can hear all the words,
but you can't understand them. 
*       Difficulty in hearing conversation in groups of people when
there is background noise, or in rooms with poor acoustics. 
If you experience any of these early warnings, don't wait to seek help.
Have your hearing checked by an audiologist, or have your ears examined
by an ear specialist. Protect your hearing by wearing ear plugs or
turning down the volume. Take breaks. Give your ears a chance to
recover. <<

>>Custom fit earplugs, worn by many musicians, are made from an impression of
the ear canal taken by an audiologist or other hearing health
professional.
The impression is sent to a lab where the final earmold is made. Custom
earplugs are comfortable, easy to insert correctly, and filter sound
better
than disposable plugs. The ER-15 and ER-25 models are popular with
musicians
because of a special filter that lets the listener hear music at a safe
level without sacrificing quality. Instead of cutting out the high
frequencies, musician's plugs attenuate all the frequencies evenly in
relation to your hearing. 
<snip> Cotton and tissue are useless. They only
reduce sound by less than 7 dB.<<

>>Here's an easy, safe and effective way for musicians and fans to check to
make sure loud concerts aren't hurting your ears. Before the show, set
the
volume of your car radio to a level where you can barely hear the words.
A
talk show works best, as sometimes it is hard to understand lyrics in
music.
After the concert, turn on the radio to the same setting. Can you still
hear
and understand the words? If not, you're experiencing a form of short
term
hearing loss called temporary threshold shift. When this happens too
many
times, the damage can become permanent.>>

>From the FAQ:
+How do I know if I need hearing protection?
If you have to raise your voice to be heard by someone less than three
feet
away you should be wearing a protective device.
+If I wear hearing protection devices while I'm playing, won't it be
hard to
hear myself or the other instruments?
No, actually with distracting noise removed or minimized you will hear
more
clearly.<<

Another interesting article by a doctor debunking common misconceptions
about sound/hearing:

http://www.hearnet.com/text/tinnitus.html

An excerpt:
>>Most sound engineers (about 99%) don't use sound level meters to measure
intensity. Instead they judge the sound level "by ear",an inexact
procedure
even if we assumed they had no hearing loss. Research in Halifax night
spots
showed in 1986 that a risk of hearing loss for patrons was present in
64% of
all tested locales during 1 hour of exposure and in 95% during 4 or more
hours of exposure (a typical evening at a night club lasts 4 hours). 
Many sound engineers have significant hearing losses (themselves). Sound
adjusted to their liking may be far from well- balanced sound. This
could
further increase the danger of exposure to harmful sound levels. 
Most of the patrons attend night clubs for the social interaction. They
are
not interested in music performed so loudly that they are unable to
carry on
a conversation (True for me anyway! -- RU). In many environments which
were
tested during our "Sound Survey", normal conversation was impossible.
People
were shouting in each others ears, further increasing the danger of
receiving a significant hearing loss. <<

Does anyone on the list have any experience with sound companies that DO
use sound level meters when preparing a speaker system for a party??

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The MW-Raves Weekly Event Calendar:
http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/mw/calendar/

2 countries, 14 states, 62 events; 22 new & 6 updates
...feeding your muthafuckin brain with too much info

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Hey when everyone says dont fall for candy ravers they are bad news. 
Believe em.   I didnt listen and oops.
Just a lil advise for all tha kids
Stumps

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Date sent:      	Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:29:38 -0500
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> Hey when everyone says dont fall for candy ravers they are bad news. 
> Believe em.   I didnt listen and oops.
> Just a lil advise for all tha kids
> Stumps

Candy ravers are the ultimate plague...

L.M

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any sound system in that venue they had for halloween sucks... has to do with
the acoustics of the building, but no parties can be there anymore.. i mean,
really, have you ever heard good sound in a gym? eeeeechoooooooo ... i don't
think Log Squared is that good of sound, but they are about a billion times
better than Diversified... which ranks as prolly the second worst system i
have EVER heard

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Are you sure it's in October? I think it's in July (a friend went a couple
years ago and I remember it was in the summer). Double check the date - if
it was on a European press release 10-7-99 would actually be 7-10-99 to us
Americans. 

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	--o-- Mike --o-- [SMTP:damewood@umr.edu]
	Sent:	Wednesday, February 24, 1999 6:36 PM
	To:	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
	Subject:	[mw] LOVE PARADE 99'

	I was sending out this message to you all and seeing if anyone from
the
	U.S. (Midwest more specifically) is planning on going this year to
the
	Loveparade.  It's supposed to be 10-7-99 and if you know what it is,
then
	you also know it's in BERLIN!  Yeah baby...  Anyway I was going to
try and
	save up the cash for the trip over this summer and go in October.
But...
	if there's enough peoplez going from around the Midwest then perhaps
buying
	plane tickets at group rates could save ALOT of money.   If you
don't know
	anything about the Parade, it's basically a Huge rave on the streets
of
	Berlin, Germany for the past couple years.  Last year of 1 million
people
	attended...

	The website is:
	http://www.loveparade.de

	wanna see a kickass video clip?  Try Episode 10 of Freakcity:
	http://www.raveworld.net/freakcity/freakcity.html


	anyway, hope there's interest....

	Ciao,
	      Mike
	

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I don't know where you had such a bad experience with Diversified, 'cos
their systems used to be great.

- Chad

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	any sound system in that venue they had for halloween sucks... has
to do with
	the acoustics of the building, but no parties can be there anymore..
i mean,
	really, have you ever heard good sound in a gym? eeeeechoooooooo ...
i don't
	think Log Squared is that good of sound, but they are about a
billion times
	better than Diversified... which ranks as prolly the second worst
system i
	have EVER heard

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Hey whoever it was asking about the freakcity kimball collins thing, I
told u wrong the song was Phase-Part2-Face the Phase.  But it is on that
session 1 cd too
Sorry, 
Stumps

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sorry just testin to see if i was unsubbed

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huh ???? :)
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On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, --o-- Mike --o-- wrote:

First of all, Jeff's right.. Loveparade is ALWAYS at the beginning of
July... =) Loveparade weekend, btw, is the top "rave" related
event/weekend I've ever had... I know it's huge and whatnot, but it was
something that I recommend highly to anyone... If you have the
opportunity, GO!


> um... Doh!  He's right, the party's in July. hm... that's cool I don't have
> to miss school now in october for the love parade. now, just have to aquire
> the cash. anyway, i'm in mid-missouri, i looked up prices the other day and
> it seemed $1000 might cover the trip expenses, any comments on that?


If you're interested in learning any German before you go, let me know...
=) Ich kann Deutsch gut sprechen... ;) Like if you want phrases to
basically get around, and order and stuff... Because no matter what
everyone says, a LOT of people and places in Berlin don't know English...
I can also hook you up wth some kickass places to eat that are relatively
cheap... ;)

As far as expenses go, how long were you planning on staying in Berlin?
were you planning on flying directly there or taking a train or going
anywhere else in Germany/Europe while you were there???

My husband and I went to Germany over Xmas, so I have a pretty good idea
as to how much things cost these days as far as hotels, Jugendherberge
(youth hostels), food and train/plane tickets go... But before I can give
you a good estimate, I wanted to hear what you were wanting or planning to
do while you were there, and how much time you were gonna spend there, and
how many parties you wanted to go to and stuff... =)

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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Anyone know the track "Meet Her at the Love Parade" by Da Hool?
It's a phat track and I was wonderin' if anyone knows if it was named after
the event or vice versa.
-----Original Message-----
From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
To: Mw-Ravers <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [mw] LOVE PARADE 99'


>On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, --o-- Mike --o-- wrote:
>
>First of all, Jeff's right.. Loveparade is ALWAYS at the beginning of
>July... =) Loveparade weekend, btw, is the top "rave" related
>event/weekend I've ever had... I know it's huge and whatnot, but it was
>something that I recommend highly to anyone... If you have the
>opportunity, GO!
>
>
>> um... Doh!  He's right, the party's in July. hm... that's cool I don't
have
>> to miss school now in october for the love parade. now, just have to
aquire
>> the cash. anyway, i'm in mid-missouri, i looked up prices the other day
and
>> it seemed $1000 might cover the trip expenses, any comments on that?
>
>
>If you're interested in learning any German before you go, let me know...
>=) Ich kann Deutsch gut sprechen... ;) Like if you want phrases to
>basically get around, and order and stuff... Because no matter what
>everyone says, a LOT of people and places in Berlin don't know English...
>I can also hook you up wth some kickass places to eat that are relatively
>cheap... ;)
>
>As far as expenses go, how long were you planning on staying in Berlin?
>were you planning on flying directly there or taking a train or going
>anywhere else in Germany/Europe while you were there???
>
>My husband and I went to Germany over Xmas, so I have a pretty good idea
>as to how much things cost these days as far as hotels, Jugendherberge
>(youth hostels), food and train/plane tickets go... But before I can give
>you a good estimate, I wanted to hear what you were wanting or planning to
>do while you were there, and how much time you were gonna spend there, and
>how many parties you wanted to go to and stuff... =)
>
>-Becky =)
>
>wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
>http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra
>
>


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Named after the event.

- Chad

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	WillEBear [SMTP:willebear@mindspring.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, February 25, 1999 11:32 AM
	To:	Becky Wangenheim; Mw-Ravers
	Subject:	Re: [mw] LOVE PARADE 99'

	Anyone know the track "Meet Her at the Love Parade" by Da Hool?
	It's a phat track and I was wonderin' if anyone knows if it was
named after
	the event or vice versa.
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
	To: Mw-Ravers <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
	Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 12:18 PM
	Subject: Re: [mw] LOVE PARADE 99'


	>On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, --o-- Mike --o-- wrote:
	>
	>First of all, Jeff's right.. Loveparade is ALWAYS at the beginning
of
	>July... =) Loveparade weekend, btw, is the top "rave" related
	>event/weekend I've ever had... I know it's huge and whatnot, but it
was
	>something that I recommend highly to anyone... If you have the
	>opportunity, GO!
	>
	>
	>> um... Doh!  He's right, the party's in July. hm... that's cool I
don't
	have
	>> to miss school now in october for the love parade. now, just have
to
	aquire
	>> the cash. anyway, i'm in mid-missouri, i looked up prices the
other day
	and
	>> it seemed $1000 might cover the trip expenses, any comments on
that?
	>
	>
	>If you're interested in learning any German before you go, let me
know...
	>=) Ich kann Deutsch gut sprechen... ;) Like if you want phrases to
	>basically get around, and order and stuff... Because no matter what
	>everyone says, a LOT of people and places in Berlin don't know
English...
	>I can also hook you up wth some kickass places to eat that are
relatively
	>cheap... ;)
	>
	>As far as expenses go, how long were you planning on staying in
Berlin?
	>were you planning on flying directly there or taking a train or
going
	>anywhere else in Germany/Europe while you were there???
	>
	>My husband and I went to Germany over Xmas, so I have a pretty good
idea
	>as to how much things cost these days as far as hotels,
Jugendherberge
	>(youth hostels), food and train/plane tickets go... But before I
can give
	>you a good estimate, I wanted to hear what you were wanting or
planning to
	>do while you were there, and how much time you were gonna spend
there, and
	>how many parties you wanted to go to and stuff... =)
	>
	>-Becky =)
	>
	>wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
	>http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra
	>
	>

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On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, dj muppetfucker wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, dj fishead wrote:
> 
> > actually.. they're calling it Fuck Parade now... and there's a webpage up at
> > http://www.bembelterror.com/fuckparade/
> 
> Wow now *thats* a lineup! I think the Fuck Parade looks like the place to be!
> 
> 

I agree!  But what happy hardcore is going to be there?  I wouldnt have
thought they would have allowed "happy" vibed music at the fuck parade...
They'd just let the "love parade" cover that aspect of music.


Adam


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On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, adm eows wrote:

> I agree!  But what happy hardcore is going to be there?  I wouldnt have
> thought they would have allowed "happy" vibed music at the fuck parade...
> They'd just let the "love parade" cover that aspect of music.

Looks like Vibes will be at the afterparty, which I could live without. I'd
still get a nice heavy dose of gabber though. =)

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> Anyone know the track "Meet Her at the Love Parade" by Da Hool?
> It's a phat track and I was wonderin' if anyone knows if it was named after
> the event or vice versa.
----
well, a simple deduction from the fact that the song is a couple of years
old and the parade has been around for, what, almost 10 years now would
suggest that your guess is correct.

i still want to find a nalin & kane mix, though.

and how about the song by da fool? meet him at the blue oyster bar? :>

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On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, dj muppetfucker wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, adm eows wrote:
> 
> > I agree!  But what happy hardcore is going to be there?  I wouldnt have
> > thought they would have allowed "happy" vibed music at the fuck parade...
> > They'd just let the "love parade" cover that aspect of music.
> 
> Looks like Vibes will be at the afterparty, which I could live without. I'd
> still get a nice heavy dose of gabber though. =)

True enough.  I was just suprised that you were interested in the party
since I thought from your email war with Chad Sommer over the WMC that
HH was a required presence for you to want to attend a party... 

I was actually suprised to see Vibes name at the after party!  Maybe
theyll make him play all his "evil" old breakbeat reocords.  ;)

Still, what was dark back then (was Acen's "Dark side of the Moon"
supposed to be evil sounding?) sounds rather tame today...

i will study now
Adam


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> 
> Still, what was dark back then (was Acen's "Dark side of the Moon"
> supposed to be evil sounding?) sounds rather tame today...

Or was that "Trip to the Moon"?

either way it kicked ass


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On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:49:51 -0800 (PST) Todd Moody
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>
>Besides meditation, the cheapest, easiest, and most controllable way
>to do this is by using computer software capable of generating brain
>wave frequencies.  You could get tapes, goggles, ambient machines,
>special chairs, or other products, but they're much more limited, and
>usually aren't worth the money.  On the software tip, the only two
>that I know of are Flasher and CoolEdit 96:

I used to have a "Brain Machine" (the flashing LED glasses), and I
thought
it was definitely worth the money !  However, mine got stolen =(

My question to you is do you know where I can buy a new set ?

I know the FDA was concerned about their use a few years back
(due to the possibility of triggering seizures in epileptics, and certain
manufacturers specific health claims), and ever since then they
have not been widely advertised.  Are they illegal now ?

I'm sure there is someplace who sells them, or if they are illegal,
there has to be a kit available, or plans for a kit (not just a simple
LED flasher kit, but something programmable).

Any information on this ?

Thanks,
	Joe

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The Nalin & Kane mixes are definitely the best mixes. I think they were
released on Manifesto. 

- Chad

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	> Anyone know the track "Meet Her at the Love Parade" by Da Hool?
	> It's a phat track and I was wonderin' if anyone knows if it was
named after
	> the event or vice versa.
	----
	well, a simple deduction from the fact that the song is a couple of
years
	old and the parade has been around for, what, almost 10 years now
would
	suggest that your guess is correct.

	i still want to find a nalin & kane mix, though.

	and how about the song by da fool? meet him at the blue oyster bar?
:>

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> Still, what was dark back then (was Acen's "Dark side of the Moon"
> supposed to be evil sounding?) sounds rather tame today...

early PCP stuff dates back to 90/91.. Stuff like Mover's Frontal Sickness and
Mescalinium United's We Have Arrived was around, for sure... (both were re-issued
on Industrial Strength 001.. We Have Arrived was later remixed by Aphex Twin and
shows up on his Classics set)...

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> On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, adm eows wrote:
>
> > I agree!  But what happy hardcore is going to be there?  I wouldnt have
> > thought they would have allowed "happy" vibed music at the fuck parade...
> > They'd just let the "love parade" cover that aspect of music.
>
> Looks like Vibes will be at the afterparty, which I could live without. I'd
> still get a nice heavy dose of gabber though. =)

hate to dash hopes, but the line-up posted on there is for last year's Fuck
Parade...
Things are still in the planning stages for the '99 edition, but this should
give you an idea of the scope of the event.


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hey..kidz..

i just wanna say thanx for all the information that was given to me for 
writing my field study on rave culture a few months..back...i just got 
it back..and I got an A on it....(94%)..I included flyers, a mixtape of 
various genres and all of your feedback...all information....was written 
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You know...all this talk about Love Parade...how about HATE PARADE? Are those
still happening?

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No.  What are you talking about?  I dont recall reading any messages about
a hate or fuck parade in the last 15 minutes...

hmmmm,
Adam


On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> You know...all this talk about Love Parade...how about HATE PARADE? Are those
> still happening?
> 


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> anything about the Parade, it's basically a Huge rave on the streets of
> Berlin, Germany for the past couple years.  Last year of 1 million people
> attended...
----
it goes back way further than a couple of years!
and it's a parade - with soundsystem floats going down a street
(ending up at the brandenburg gate, i think? probably signifying
the unity of the berlins? i dunno..)

> http://www.loveparade.de
----
sprechen sie deutsche? then this site might make some sense.

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>Or was that "Trip to the Moon"?

yes.

>either way it kicked ass

yes.


btw as far as what was dark by then...how about dj hype's "welcome to
violence"?  it was still pretty ravey sounding but had some sort of dark
overtones to it.  i dunno i wasn't buying records back then.  well, i
lie...i was buying misfits records back then :P


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Sister?  Don't tell me Sandra Collins is his sister...

Mage
chris fisher wrote:

> do u have kimballs session 1 cd??? it is kinda old, but it is super
> dope, i was listening to it when i read your e-mail.  And check out his
> sis' stuff too she is tha best




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Have you looked at the techno/trance tent?

Mage

chris ege wrote:

> At 12:30 PM 2/24/99 -0600, you wrote:
> >You haven't seen the Rave'Em&Bailey III lineup have you?  It's at
> >http://www.tribalbrothers.com  and is fuckin' unbelievable.
> >
>
> I hope you're kidding.
>
> rave em and bail-e has maybe 4 or 5 headliners plus every person in
> wisconsin who owns a record or even just knows what a record is.  I don't
> see how that could impress anyone.
>
> I'm not saying your $50 won't buy you a good time there, but unbelievable
> is hardly the word I'd use.
>
> chris




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.. can anyone help this guy out ? ..

thanks,art :)


-----Original Message-----
Can anyone help me? I am looking for a song. I don't know the name of DJ or
song title. I heard this song in Detroit about 6 mo. ago at a house party.
The
song is about Frank Sinatra. It is a real sexy like house song. It about
Sinatra being a jigalow and everyone thinking he is a saint. Part of the
song
goes like " Sinatra he's dead, suck my clit - lick my ass - Sinatra!" It is
a
dirty little number that I luv and want to find. Please help! E-mail me back
if you know of it!

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Actually, yes, he was prevented from coming due to a hurricane hitting the
city he was supposed to be leaving from (on the east coast somewhere).  A
friend of mine threw that party and I was with him at the airport as he was
freaking out trying to figure out why his dj's plane never arrived.  Believe
me, nobody was more upset than the guy throwing the party.

Mage

soulbeatz@juno.com *+*Jessica/jesc*+* wrote:

>  Is scott hardkiss's set gonna be anything like his legendary set at Even
> Further '96? (hypnotic breaks, it was wonderous) and is he 100%
> confirmed? last time scott hardkiss was on an indy flyer, he never showed
> up and the promoters said something about a hurricane delaying his
> flight, (which was shit 'cuz there was no hurricanes happening at the
> time - grrr)
>




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hmm i came across this on winfiles.com its a 30 dollar shareware. ive never used it.  But its name is "brainwave generator" 
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~noromaas/bwgen/ 

hope this helps

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Just found this article from a link from the hate parade thingy and since I
am sure it is old , but i hadn't seen it , i know some trancers here would
be interested in it, heres the url:
http://www.techno.de/mixmag/interviews/trance.html
really cool as it talks about doing stuff for free, i can't imagine going
to see the liberator crew every weekend for free, the whole concept blows
me away. And in squats no less, sure would have loved to have some acid
trance gods sleeping next to me rather than some punker heroin addicts :)
love & light,
-Jeff

  -( Subconscious Collective )-
             515-239-4685
-=Next Event:Hope, March 6th=-

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 actually, i'd like to say that i think Lauryn Hill's grammy for best album of
the year is one of the most deserved awards i think anyone has received in the
realm of commercially marketed music.

the girl has soul.
  look at Adam Beyer - he's in his early 20's, and Marco Carola, and Terry Lee
Brown Jr.
all these cats are youngin's and they have some of the most soul i've ever
heard.
lauryn is 23 !  i'm not gonna dis lauryn because she has video's on MTv
i actually give her props for marketing her music commercially while keeping
it TRU.
    not everyone gets the oppurtunity to experience tru soul. you can readily
find it in house, techno, etc.      but good luck finding it on MTv anymore.

props to lauryn hill
nuff said

peash

-adam

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The only thing I liked about the Grammys was Wynton Marsalis and Clark
Terry ON THE SAME STAGE!!!! Both being legends in their generation.
*shivers*

Wynton Marsalis is my idol (I'm a trumpet player).

On a side note........I had lunch with Wynton and his band when his
Majesty of Blues Tour came to the Macomb Center for the Performing Arts.
T'was a hightlight in my life. *smiles*

I love jazz!!!

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ummm so i live in a cave or something.
but what does lauren hill sing?

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>ummm so i live in a cave or something.
>but what does lauren hill sing?
>
      (That thing)(that thing) (that thiiiiiiiing)
              get it??  oh nevermind
                                          (o_0) Dan Sharp :)

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ya i got some nice jazzstep records.  Sour puts out a lotta good jazzy jungle. I love it:)

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go here:

http://www.newgrounds.com/tubby/lala.html

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KIMBALL COLLINS IS A GUY?!?!?!

=P

_derik

www.flak.net/ultra.html

ERJONES wrote:

> Sister?  Don't tell me Sandra Collins is his sister...
>
> Mage
> chris fisher wrote:
>
> > do u have kimballs session 1 cd??? it is kinda old, but it is super
> > dope, i was listening to it when i read your e-mail.  And check out his
> > sis' stuff too she is tha best


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Yes, and bald as an eagle too!
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>KIMBALL COLLINS IS A GUY?!?!?!
>
>=P
>
>_derik
>
>www.flak.net/ultra.html
>
>ERJONES wrote:
>
>> Sister?  Don't tell me Sandra Collins is his sister...
>>
>> Mage
>> chris fisher wrote:
>>
>> > do u have kimballs session 1 cd??? it is kinda old, but it is super
>> > dope, i was listening to it when i read your e-mail.  And check out his
>> > sis' stuff too she is tha best
>


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Robin Urmanic <bpositive@sprintmail.com>

wrote: [mw] Ever wish you had some earplugs? Info on
sound and hearing

Good stuff Robin.  Useful info.  I wear earplugs to every event, and
only take them out when I'm DJing.  Even so, I think I've had some
hearing loss.

At a lot of gigs I find I hear _better_ - cuts out piercing high freqs
but you can still feel the bass.

Ritchie Hawtin is deaf in one ear (when he played here he asked for
the monitor speaker to be moved to the other side for this reason.) 
LTJ Bukem is reported to be almost completely deaf (which is why he
has a reputation for peakin' out systems and blowing them up - he
rides them that hard 'cos he can't hear.)

Lets be careful out there.

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I know it's old..but I find it interesting..

Taken from: http://www.partisan.net/hateparade/1997/index.html

Hateparade

Start: 12 July 1997, 15:00,
Bunker, Reinhardtstraße/Albrechtstraße
Berlin-Mitte, Germany

The Berlin P.D. issued a confirmation of registration (Anmeldebestätigung)
for our demo on 16 june. So apart from the BUND environmentalists it is the
only official counter demonstration against the Love Parade.


The themes for the demonstration are

" Against the Love Parade 
" Against the Commercialization of Techno 
" Against the Closing of the Bunker 
" Against the Sell-Out of the Berlin Scheunenviertel 
" Against Nazis 

The route is: Reinhardtstraße, Friedrichstraße, Oranienburger Straße,
Monbijouplatz, Kleine Präsidenten Straße, Hackescher Markt, Neue Promenade,
Spandauer Brücke, Rosenthaler Straße, Neue Schönhäuser Straße, Münzstraße,
Memhardstraße, Alexanderplatz, Karl-Liebknecht-Straße, Neptunbrunnen (in front
of the Rotes Rathaus underneath the TV-tower).

The final party will take place at the Neptunbrunnen right in the center of
East Berlin until 22:00. The former announced location at the Schlossplatz is
occupied by another organization. Afterwards you may join us at the Bunker
Party Love Bomb at the TU Mensa, Hardenbergstr. 34, or at our own Free Party
in a secret location in the Prenzlauer Berg district. BTW: The other event in
the Max-Schmeling-Halle featuring Lenny Dee, LizanEliaz and Manu le Malin
has been canceled last week, so dont bother going there.

Our original intention was to bring gabbers together, but Im even happier we
succeeded in integrating the local scene. Be tolerant, there will be about 10
trucks on the Hateparade with various styles of x-treme music. Apart from
gabber, hardcore and drumnbass there will be a truck by DJs from the
squatted LSD-Kiez, two punk-bands and even some drummers. Panacea and Problem
Child (both on Chrome Records) joined our ranks as well as EC8OR/E-de Cologne
(DHR) and many gabber artists like Christoph Fringeli (Praxis Rec.), Gabba
Nation, and a few others who still have to confirm (hint, hint). Careful
estimations expect about 2,000-3,000 participants...

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Media coverage had been excellent: Everybody seemed to hate the Love Parade,
especially their press secretary Peter Lützenkirchen must be a real pain in
the ass. It seemed like the Loveparade would end in chaos while the Hateparade
was peaceful, strange enough... There were interviews with 10 radio stations
(including Kiss FM and Fritz, stations presenting the official Love Parade 
even they agree Low Spirit sucks!), 12 TV stations, and our demo was featured
several times in every paper you can imagine in Berlin, several news agencies
and magazines like Stern. On 10 july was another three hour radio interview on
Fritz where Trauma XP met Dr. Motte  real fun! Here is our press release, the
taz/dpa-arcticle, another report in the taz Berlin, the Berliner Kurier, the
Berliner Morgenpost, the B.Z. and our final press release after the parade
(only a few examples, all in German only, sorry).

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Please dont confuse it: Some punks plan to hold the Chaos Tage in Berlin at
the same weekend (instead of Hannover in August), and some flyers call it
Hate Parade, too (but in two words), since they want to take cover among the
ravers. Even skinheads called for attacks on pill-eaters and neo-hippies.
Though we sympathize with the political left we cannot accept violence against
people or things as an option. The argument Techno is apolitical in itself
cause it is instrumental is utter bullshit, sorry. How about pirate radios
playing drumnbass most of the time, the Spiral Tribes, illegal parties
everywhere, or demonstrations like the Street Party against the prohibition of
drugs in Amsterdam, the Lärm 97 in Frankfurt against the early closing
times, or our very own? The Love Parade is mainstream, so it is non-political,
trying to please the masses like any mainstream music. But come to a decent
gabber party, there you will find lots of texts to scream along. So dont
generalize any music that comes out of a computer and goes like wroom,
wroom, try to accept people got different tastes in music and be tolerant.
Dont hurt innocents.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

So far the following artists have shown interest and are most likely to come 
mostly hardcore, gabber or drumnbass, but other styles as well:

Gabba Nation (Berlin), Trauma XP (Bembelterror Frankfurt), Panacea & Problem
Child (Chrome Rec./Force Inc.), EC8OR/E-de Cologne (DHR), Christoph Fringeli &
friends (Praxis Rec.; London), Outcast Clan, Pressure Head, UK Skullfuck
(Surgeon 16 Rec., UK), Mind Terrorists (beschädigt, Hamburg), Kielce Terror
Squad (Kielce, Poland), Kyojin Mayhem/Nikkei Index (Helsinki, Finland), DJ
Roman & Chill (Dynamic Distribution, Vienna), Lonely Freak (Psycho War,
Schwerin), Xybo (N.Y. Hardcore Network, New York), Yoshiki Ohmura (Synthetic
Fruit Laboratories, USA), Thoralf & friends (LSD-Crew, Berlin), Marcel,
Christine & Mehmed (E&C Technology, Bielefeld), Ratsalad (Punkrock; Berlin),
K73 (Sonnenhouse, Berlin), Berliner Ensemble (Brecht lectures; Berlin), and
more...

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please notice the Bunker Pre- and After Parties at the TU Mensa,
Hardenbergstraße 34, Berlin-Zoo, featuring Gabba Nation (Cut-X, Sascha, Claas,
Robsen; Berlin), Laurent Hô (épitèth rec.; Paris), XOL DOG 400 (Ultracore;
Berlin), Lord Nord (Terrordrome; Hamburg), Ad Absurdum (Hartplastik Rec.),
Lonely Freak (Psycho War; Schwerin), and Trauma XP (Bembelterror Frankfurt).
Admission is 15 DM on friday, 35 DM on saturday, or 40 DM for both days.

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Pardon the interruption... but does anyone have Chris's current
email address or other contact information?  Please respond
privately.

Thanks!

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ha ha, I think I know this one! He he! My roommate has this track. It's
either by DJ Hell, or someone else on International DJ Gigolos. I like the
line, "I am Frank Sinatra, suck my cock, lick my ass".

matt
The Sunshine Ministry

On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Arthur Schryburt wrote:

> .. can anyone help this guy out ? ..
> 
> thanks,art :)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Can anyone help me? I am looking for a song. I don't know the name of DJ or
> song title. I heard this song in Detroit about 6 mo. ago at a house party.
> The
> song is about Frank Sinatra. It is a real sexy like house song. It about
> Sinatra being a jigalow and everyone thinking he is a saint. Part of the
> song
> goes like " Sinatra he's dead, suck my clit - lick my ass - Sinatra!" It is
> a
> dirty little number that I luv and want to find. Please help! E-mail me back
> if you know of it!
> 
> MelliArt@aol.com
> ------------
> 


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     No, that's Ritchie Hawtin.
     
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Yes, and bald as an eagle too!


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At 01:29 PM 2/25/99 EST, you wrote:
>You know...all this talk about Love Parade...how about HATE PARADE? Are those
>still happening?

someone should pay more attention...  there's only been about 10 posts
about it.

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enjoy...
                                           o0o[qiB.]o0o
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Trace!!!


><< Hello Everybody -
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sorry its in chicago

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On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, chris ege wrote:

> At 01:29 PM 2/25/99 EST, you wrote:
> >You know...all this talk about Love Parade...how about HATE PARADE? Are those
> >still happening?
> 
> someone should pay more attention...  there's only been about 10 posts
> about it.

No, that's Richie Hawtin.


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it's happening again...

thursday february 25th (the last day to pay an art department course fee at
the UW)
from midnight to 2am
WSUM, madison student radio presents

THE PLAYAZ CLUB

this week featuring an extended set by dj DICA who will be attempting to
make a master copy for a new mixtape.

tune in for the upfrontest of the upfront (including the warhead remix, oh
boy) with a realaudio-enabled browser at

http://wsum.wisc.edu

thanks.

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 DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PICS FROM NUEVO or can anyone send me the flyer to 
that event.. Or both actually?? !!!! :)
               Thanks!!!!
                              Love to all
                                    (0_o) Dan Sharp


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I haven't been paying attention to this thread, so I'm sure someone 
already said this, but I always heard that 420 was the police code for 
pot smokers or something.

Ethan <=-- will minor in Urban Legend
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for those of you wondering.....here's what's comin up in march.
i guess we have theme nights now.  interesting.

march 3
-booty bounce-
*gary chandler
*disco d

march 10
-www.in-sight.com night-
*a guy called gerald
*8en
*ronin
*the sound odyssey (live p.a.)

$8 in advance, 10 at the door


march 17
-lucky charms...a magically delicious event-
*twonz
*eclipse
*dj surreal

march 24
-aqua boogie-
*richard "humpty" vission
*matt kristian

$10 in adance, 12 at the door


march 31
-urb magazine comin from tha d rekkid release pahty-
*dan bell  (wooooo!!)   last dj gig (???)
*agora 1 (live p.a.)


all of the above feature craig gonzalez starring as resident dj.

these events will be broadcast live on 88.3 fm in ann arbor and on the web
at www.wcbn.org/solar, so all you heads who don't want to walk through the
snow or who live far away but think solar is cool (err...) or who like
jammin in front of a radio or a computer monitor better than to a live dj
with nice loud sound and actual contact w/ other ppl can follow along that
way.

more info:
734.913.9738  solar
248.975.8773  intuit
www.99music.com
www.intuit-solar.com

the flyer this month looks like a big friggin easter egg.  is that on
purpose?
=P
go to solar.  it's good for you.
**doris**


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here's the playlist for today's past mix (2/25)


ARTIST                     TITLE                       LABEL

Prism                      Fallen Angel                Sublime

Robert Hood                Hoodlum                     Drama

Starpeace                  Soulspective comp.          Offshoot

Bluespirit                 #2                          Bluespirit

BC                         Phylyps Trak 2              Basic Channel

Fishcake/Thor              The Sound of Thule comp.    Thule

Dubtribe                   Sunshine's Theme            Organico
 
Convection                 unknown                     Matrix1

Heiko Laux                 unknown                     Kanzleramt

DJ Skull (Claude Young mix)The Graveyard Orchestra     Djax-up-beats

Justin Berkovi             EPGB                        Predicaments

Johannes Heil              Reality to MIDI             Kanzleramt

DJ Umek                    Glutamate                   Communique

Regis/Female               Hard Education comp.        Downwards

Advent                     Ghost in the Shell sdtrk.   Sony

Neil Landstrumm(Denham mix)Praline Horse               Tresor

Surgeon                    East Light                  Dynamic Tensin

Marko Laine                Shuffled                    Djax-up-beats

John Tejada                unknown                     Residual

Rei Harakami               November                    Sublime


thanks to all who listened, called, and emailed...

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presenting the best in techno...
 
         
              N O N S T A T I C   R A D I O

               Thursdays from 12:30-3pm EST

             Hosted and Mixed live by Jeff Samuel

NETCAST: http://www.wcsb.org  ***point Winamp or Audioactive
                                 to live broadcast link***

LISTEN LOCALLY:  WCSB 89.3 FM  Cleveland, OH USA

LIVE MIX: starts between 1-1:30pm EST (from 12:30 until the mix i 
usually play downbeat and experimental)

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Anyone going to hometown heroes sat in lou??? Nothin like a good 6 dolla
part-E
Stumps


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I usually get a bit too close to the speakers and after my last party almost
2 weeks ago my ears just quit ringing last night...Be careful kids, I know I
will be from now on and if you see me acting dumb again kick me in the ass
cuz that was kinda scary thinking that my ears were gonna be ringing like
that forever... aww poor me huh? =)  ya think ya can't get close enough to
the music now, wait til ya can't hear it at all..

thanks robin
=)'s
curtis

>Well here is a web site where you can order some.
>
>Good all-purpose hearing info site:
>http://www.hearnet.com/text/mainframe.html
>
>Protect your Hearing -- the Scoop on Earplugs:
>http://www.hearnet.com/text/protection.html
>
>I was checking out some info on earplugs on the internet and came across
>all this
>info. Kind of surprising! I would guess that means a person can suffer
>hearing damage at most parties after only a half-hour to an hour of
>unprotected hearing.
>
>Hope some of you find this useful. It really disturbs me to see so many
>ppl damaging their hearing at every party when it is totally



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i got a pic of me n my xgirl at nuevo but its really silly.
That party was really nice:) mad props to cbs

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i MIGHT be headin up to chi this weekend...tryin to decide between there,
louisville, dayton....

so if you would pretty please repost the lineup for live on the decks 2 i
would really appreciate it.....

thanx*
lauryN*

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 "Curtis Tiffany" <curti@umr.edu> said:

>I usually get a bit too close to the speakers and after my last party almost
>2 weeks ago my ears just quit ringing last night...Be careful kids, I know I
>will be from now on and if you see me acting dumb again kick me in the ass
>cuz that was kinda scary thinking that my ears were gonna be ringing like
>that forever... aww poor me huh? =)  ya think ya can't get close enough to
>the music now, wait til ya can't hear it at all..


I always wear mine at parties.  I've found that it actually helps in that I
can hear the music much more clearly since seems to cut it down to a level
where it's less overwhelming to your ears.  Plus, I can actually hear
people when they are talking to me.






                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.    >
                                               <randomly stimulating>
		               <ICQ: 2147740	 >



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On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com wrote:

> so if you would pretty please repost the lineup for live on the decks 2 i
> would really appreciate it.....


---------- Forwarded message ----------

MAIN ROOM:
Hardfloor
DJ Dimitri
Frankie Bones
Mike Dearborn
Nigel Richards
Marcus Watkins
Paul Anthony

JUNGLE ROOM:
Dieselboy
Danny the Wild Child
DJ Ryn
Fonze De La Mota

HARD ROOM:
Submerge 101
Matt Druid
Richie Wel
DJ Shaft

info # 773-509-5050


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DOH!!
i totally forgot about this!  and now that i remember, i have no info.
i'm sure one of you happy people can tell me the info on the sy and demo
live p.a. in toronto this weekend.  please?  i'd really appreciate it.

happy hardcore is for girls and weenies.
**doris**



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Himadri, head of the Canadian electronic label Switch Records and 
prolific producer will be touring Japan in July and August of 1999 in 
support of his new album which will soon be released. The material on 
the album will span 10 years in the making. 

Ever since the formation of Switch in 1992, it and Himadri's music have 
been identified the more alternative sounds of electronic music. 
Further info on Switch can be found at the website at 
www.switchrecords.com along with Himadri's extensive discography at 
www.switchrecords.com/discography/discog.htm and a bio on Himadri at 
www.switchrecords.com/discography/himfo.htm

So far Himadri will be appearing at various times in Osaka, Tokyo, 
Kyoto, Fukuoka and Shizuoka. Any producers or promoters who want to book 
dates, help arrange more dates or whatever can email me back privately 
at phaang@hotmail.com 

thank you

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Hi, my name is Jnnx....
     I live in Dayton and I am looking for club kids, DJ's, and 
promoters in the Dayton area...
     I have recently started and in the process of opening "The 1200 
Club", a DJ friendly record store specializing in vinyl in Downtown 
Dayton of 5th Street in the Oregon Dist.
     I am always looking for mixtapes to promote local talent....I am 
also looking for promoters to help on events in the Dayton-Cin-Columbus 
Area...
    I am also starting a 1200 club music 'zine and I am looking for 
writers, graphic artists, or any submitions, (i like the number three!)
     If you think you have what it takes, you or just want to chat about 
the state of music today, write me at:  jnnx@hotmail.com

PS:  As for my take on the whole Fatboy Slim thang, I think he always 
was a commerical artist, and always will be a commerical artist...(even 
I think his new album is tons better then his last one!)

Any thoughts??

Jay Newhouse
33 Grandon Rd.
Dayton, OH 45419
(937)298.0508
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Some one just emailed me saying this party's presales were going for 45 a
piece...

This is bull shit right?

Anyone know how much they cost?

ADam



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WINNER!!!!!!!

Longest fucking post ever!!!!!!!

God damn!!!!!

I, on the other hand,enjoy wasting your time.

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I SURE FUCKIN' LIKE GRAPES!!!!!!!

Man I forgot how good they were!!!!!
Buy some now!!!!!

What the fuck....why not post it? I like 'em.

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>Candy ravers are the ultimate plague...
>
>L.M
>
Fuck yeah!!!!!!
Crush them bastards like bugs!!!!!

Crush, Kill, Destroy!!!!!!!!!  It's all about taking peeps out!!!!!!

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> >Candy ravers are the ultimate plague...
> >
> >L.M
> >
> Fuck yeah!!!!!!
> Crush them bastards like bugs!!!!!
> 
> Crush, Kill, Destroy!!!!!!!!!  It's all about taking peeps out!!!!!!


Yes...crush..kill..destroy...yes..


PLUR!


L.M

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M E O W



On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:15:23 -0600 Doug E Forrester <trunk666@juno.com>
writes:
>I SURE FUCKIN' LIKE GRAPES!!!!!!!
>
>Man I forgot how good they were!!!!!
>Buy some now!!!!!
>
>What the fuck....why not post it? I like 'em.
>
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>the eye
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me too! I like grapes a lot!

especially those blue kind, concord I think.

The skins are GOOOOOOOD.

Matt

On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Doug E Forrester wrote:

> I SURE FUCKIN' LIKE GRAPES!!!!!!!
> 
> Man I forgot how good they were!!!!!
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> 
> What the fuck....why not post it? I like 'em.
> 
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me and ursala decided to sit down and watch some quality t.v. tonight... and
something strange is going on... we need your help.

TV #1 - downstairs... is hooked directly into optel cable... through the
wall... we have it on channel 6 which is fox tv... the simpsons are on...
unfortunately... we would like to be in the bedroom... so onto the next TV

TV #2 - the studio... is hooked directly into optel cable... through the
wall... we have it on channel 6 which is fox tv... the simpsons are on...
BUT... and i noticed it the day before... the Simpsons is broadcasting
completely in SPANISH.  the only difference i see is my vcr is hooked into the
one upstairs...  

how is this?

como esta?

entro

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> especially those blue kind, concord I think.

ya know, from 11/1/89 --> 8/12/97, I lived in concord.  there's a big
welches building in concord center.. right off main street... with a lil
grape vine up on bedford st. with all these "historically significant"
markings on it. 

Concord.  Harmony.  Nice place to start a revolution, if you ask me.

-just a slacker avoiding homework by filling your mailbox
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hmm not relatd but ive been asked quite a bit lately about this one so a
generally answer to eveyone and then some.

604 is heard around a lot on the trance scene esp. GOA why?

GOA = 604 

just think of it as the 3l3t3 d00dz shite. you can find the true stroy
on the 604 mailing list faq, quite interesting. 

just mo' waste of bandwidth and random trivia. 

later 

AC 
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Aliensquad presents

Abduction 00:02
Friday March 12, 1999

featuring:

JAMES CHRISTIAN - NY/Cleveland ( he moved )
Eightball, Strictly Rhythm, Nervous

spinning an extended set

also featuring: 
MELLOMAN - Cincinnati

Aliensquad D.J.'s:
Lil' Cory
Tig
Cosmic
Kell
Mutt
Trevor Lamont
Matt Bandy
all Aliensqad D.J.'s will not spin, who spins depends upon the flow of the party.

As usual this wil be an intimate event with the D.J. on the floor.  This will
help foster a true connection with the D.J.

We will have free bottled water and candy like all our events.  We look
forward to having everyone out to enjoy the reamerging Lexington scene.

future Abductions:

00:03 April 23, 1999 - Dieselboy - 611 Records, Technical Itch -Philly
00:04 May 21, 1999 - Nigel Richards - 611 Records - Philly
 Peace and Love
 
                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters 
												   Aliensquad
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
******************************************************************
Bookings:
     Pleasure Entertainment  (314-995-2631) : my agent
     tlamont@gte.net : my e-mail address
     twilson@lexmark.com : my work address
     houseman606@hotmail.com : my other e-mail address :)
     http://home1.gte.net/trevorl/index.htm
     1-888-379-6168 : my pager
******************************************************************
                      House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 05:18:11 1999
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Hurmm..ya know what's really good?  frozen grapes..just put a bunch in the
freezer  and eat 'em like sherberts later..(yum!)

suzi

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 05:22:02 1999
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In a message dated 2/25/99 11:18:19 PM Central Standard Time,
Lincoln001@aol.com writes:

> Hurmm..ya know what's really good?  frozen grapes..just put a bunch in the
>  freezer  and eat 'em like sherberts later..(yum!)
>  
>  suzi

no way... my brother likes them like that but I think frozen grapes are icky
=P
luv ya all,
Lisa

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 05:43:01 1999
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I just wanted to remind everyone of Topspin, which is tomorrow night at
the VFW, 420 Main St. Rapid City, SD. 

We have DJ's

Spree - MPLS - Happy Hardcore
Cloudskipper - LA - Happy Hardcore
+ Locals
Tilzs, Brian E, Wille, Kine.

It's $5, or $4 with a can of food.
It'll run from 8pm-2am, but there will be an afterparty. 


Also, I would like to anounce our next event.


Zoop Productions proudly presents:
 _, _ _  _, _,_ ___    _, __,   ___ _,_ __,   _,  _ _,_ _ _, _  _,
 |\ | | / _ |_|  |    / \ |_     |  |_| |_    |   | | / | |\ | / _
 | \| | \ / | |  |    \ / |      |  | | |     | , | |/  | | \| \ /
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  / __\ __ _ ___ ___| |__   ___  __ _  __| |____
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/ \/  \ (_| \__ \__ \ | | |  __/ (_| | (_| |/ / 
\_____/\__,_|___/___/_| |_|\___|\__,_|\__,_/___|
                                                
On Friday, March 19th, come prepared for a night of music and mayhem. Be
forewarned and come prepared, for only your dancing shoes will protect
you from the Bassheadz.

        Dis=co! - Denver, CO - Head Banging Techno

        Leif - Colorado Springs, CO - Epic/Progressive Trance

        Plus Locals:

        Tilzs - Techno/Acid
        Brian E - Progressive/Goa Trance 
        Willie - House
        Kine - Various

Where: VFW, 420 Main Rapid City
Cost: $4 with canned food, $5 without
When: 8 pm to 2 am

This is an 18+ event, a bar is available for those 21+
Please leave the alcohol, bad vibes, and drugs at home.
Zoop Infoline - 605.355.0136
http://smoke.sdsmt.edu/zoop/



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In a message dated 2/25/99 7:03:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
meadowsa@ecn.purdue.edu writes:

<< 
 Some one just emailed me saying this party's presales were going for 45 a
 piece...
 
 This is bull shit right?
 
 Anyone know how much they cost?
 
 ADam
 
  >>

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In a message dated 2/25/99 7:03:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
meadowsa@ecn.purdue.edu writes:

<< 
 Some one just emailed me saying this party's presales were going for 45 a
 piece...
 
 This is bull shit right?
 
 Anyone know how much they cost?
 
 ADam
 
  >>
i got one and they were $20

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 06:41:41 1999
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think of it as a blessing in disguise tim.  now you have an exscuse to
learn another language ;-)

[This letter sent by toy]
   [t0y@foxvalley.net]
     [www.singe.net]

On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

> me and ursala decided to sit down and watch some quality t.v. tonight... and
> something strange is going on... we need your help.
> 
> TV #1 - downstairs... is hooked directly into optel cable... through the
> wall... we have it on channel 6 which is fox tv... the simpsons are on...
> unfortunately... we would like to be in the bedroom... so onto the next TV
> 
> TV #2 - the studio... is hooked directly into optel cable... through the
> wall... we have it on channel 6 which is fox tv... the simpsons are on...
> BUT... and i noticed it the day before... the Simpsons is broadcasting
> completely in SPANISH.  the only difference i see is my vcr is hooked into the
> one upstairs...  
> 
> how is this?
> 
> como esta?
> 
> entro
> 


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From: doris <dpayer@umich.edu>

>DOH!!
>i totally forgot about this!  and now that i remember, i have no info.
>i'm sure one of you happy people can tell me the info on the sy and demo
>live p.a. in toronto this weekend.  please?  i'd really appreciate it.


hard sound productions presents:
saturday february 27, 1999
24hr infoline 416.410.8153
toronto, canada

PROCEED WITH CAUTION

Arena One: Jungle/Hardcore
Ellis Dee (UK) Collusion
Sy (UK) Quosh
Undercover Agent (UK)
Demo (UK)

Mystical Influence
Frisky & D-Minus
Euphonic & Smithy
Anabolic Frolic
Capital J
Ruffneck
Lush

Arena Two: House, Breaks, Techno, and Trance
Demo (UK)
Flex (NY)
S4 (Can)

Algorithm
Marty McFly
Nokturani
JP & Simone

With MC's:  Trigger, Bandit, JD, L Natural, E-By-Gum, Miss Melody

As an added bonus Sy & Demo will be performing a live PA of the following
hit tracks in Arena 1: Evotion, Sensation and, Tears Run Cold.

Tickets:  $20 advance, $25 door, and Ticketmaster.


there ya go!

-zod


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anyone notice an unusually large number of posts lately where someone
quotes a previous message and then doesn't add anything?

why do people do that?  it's not like they're quoting anything so important
that it needs to be seen twice.

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I do believe there was some discussion on this list about this
movie....Cube....
If I am correct in believing that there was such a discussion, THANK YOU
VERY FUCKING MUCH!   That movie kicks some major ass, if anyone hasn't
seen it, go rent it now!......
(damn movie was so good it actually made me type using capitals in the
right places.....wow)
heheheh
Thanks.


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we here at rotate in windsor are proud to present channel 7 of our
remote control series.

channel 7.
friday. febuary 26th. 1999.
windsor. ontario.

terrence parker and friends..
-techno? tech-house? house? hip-hop? disco?! does it matter?! cause we
all
know when mr tp is behind the one and twos it gets no better! once
again, rotate is proud to present detroit's hottest and most provacative
progressive dance music mixer, dj extraordinare mr terrence parker. :)

**an interesting side note on this event is that on this evening, tp
will
be recording his set live for the release of his first mix cd of 1999
entitled "TP Live in '99 vol.#1"**

*also. anyone who attends this event will recieve a coupon good to pick
up the 
forthmentioned cd for only $8CDN at rotate in windsor*

this event is 19+ and limited capacity. cover will be 5$.

location. windsor press club. 83 riverside drive west.

for more info/full directions check rot8.com or call
519.254.2299/519.254.6229.

peace.

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"KIMBALL COLLINS IS A GUY?!?!?!"

this is the best quote in mw-raves history.




thank you for your time...


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> How might one get on the 604 mailing list ?

www.goa.net

i think i cant remember right off i think if it doesnt work lemme know. 
pretty cracked out over here. 

AC
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Thats really Yummy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<3 <3
Joe
Happy Valentines everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!


>> Hurmm..ya know what's really good?  frozen grapes..just put a bunch 
>in the
>>  freezer  and eat 'em like sherberts later..(yum!)
>>  
>>  suzi
>


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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:51:44 -0600 chris ege <crege@students.wisc.edu>
writes:
>
>anyone notice an unusually large number of posts lately where someone
>quotes a previous message and then doesn't add anything?
>
>why do people do that?  it's not like they're quoting anything so 
>important
>that it needs to be seen twice.
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I too am partially deaf. I find that I have to leam in closer to people 
to hear what they are saying. Sometimes I have to look directly at them 
to understand. If people talk to me from behind, i may not understand or 
hear. Kinda sucks.



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Devil Girl wrote:
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> I too am partially deaf. I find that I have to leam in closer to people
> to hear what they are saying. Sometimes I have to look directly at them
> to understand. If people talk to me from behind, i may not understand or
> hear. Kinda sucks.

Bummer! Time to start wearing earplugs. 

-- Robin

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Hi :)



I am interested in reviewing some hard techno/
techno-house mixtapes from Midwest DJ's, if interested, 
give me a reply and I will give you my mailing address
I will be more than glad to review your mixtape individually 
and provide you with some honest feedback, my little US
Tour is coming to a town near you..starting in Los Angeles, CA 
on April 10-Massive Love, and going on till about July/August


Thanks in advance,




Mr Luke Monteiro


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TEXTURES airs on Radio Campus- 95.3Mhz - Fridays, 4 to 6 PM.
=AB=A4=BB=A5=AB=A4=BB=A7=AB=A4=BB=A5=AB=A4=BB=A7=AB=A4=BB=A5=AB=A4=BB=A7=AB=
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* !!! TODAY'S SHOW IS BROADCASTING LIVE ON THE NET !!! *
Point your web-browsers to the below adress and CLICK on the link "show"


http://www.textures.org/

=AB=A4=BB=A5=AB=A4=BB     (1600-1800 CET / 10 AM-12 PM EST)     =AB=A4=BB=A5=
=AB=A4=BB

Quick-flash news-update:

*=3D NEW DOMAIN NAME =3D*

Textures can now be found at www.textures.org on the net.  Please update
your bookmarks accordingly!

*=3D House Music from London =3D*
Today's show will be featuring a 35 minute interview with Pat Dickins (of
Dillion + Dickins) and a GIVEAWAY [FIVE copies of the "Metal Can
Collection" double CD] courtsey of Higher State in the UK.
(www.higherstate.co.uk).

FOR INFORMATON ON HOW TO ENTER THE CONTEST... go to the website and click
on the "show" link.  You've got two weeks (until March 12th) to get your
e-mails in

* =3D 12" of the Week =3D *
A new feature of our weekly shows will be the 12" of the week, sponsored by
Back To Plastic, Sweden's only serious mail-order source for new vinyl.
(www.backtoplastic.com)

This weeks record is a Thomas Krome release.

* =3D Better Sound =3D *
>From now on the archives will sound much better.  The old ones were
sounding pretty bad so I decided to take them down, however last week's
show is online and this week's show will also be online in "acceptable"
quality.  Technology is wonderful.

=AB=A4=BB=A5=AB=A4=BB
LAST SHOWs playlist (in the archive):
February 19, 1999
Trackname / Artist / Label

1600-1800
   1.YMC - Track 1 (unknown) - Deck Deli=20
   2.Sunkiss - Reach - Plastic City=20
   3.Jimi Tenor - Year of the Apocalypse - WARP=20
   4.Blackout - Gotta Have Hope - 99 North=20
   5.F.U.S.E. - F.U. - +8 /Hype=20
   6.Brian Eno - Alternative 3 - Polydor=20
   7.Jimi Tenor - Love + Work - WARP=20
   8.Darren Price - Long Haul - NovaMute=20
   9.Escape From Brooklyn (Frankie Bones) - Ecstacy Recall - Hype=20
  10.DJ Hell - Jack the House - V2=20
  11.Terrence Parker - Its Too Late - Intangible=20
  12.DJ Slym Fas - Memories (TP's Lifted Dub) - Intangible=20
  13.Solidst8 - The Trinity - Scarlet Mix - pt II=20
  14.Dean + Magnus - Tokin Kind' - Inkfish=20
=AB=A4=BB=A5=AB=A4=BB

-	peter
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technical sorta-rave-related question for ya'll...

i am going to be doing a radio show on march 9th, and the station does a
real-time real-audio broadcast. is there any way that i can do a capture
of the session from my computer? i'd like to have the real-audio posted on
my site...

thanks in advance...

bom shankar!
--boo


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Psychedlic Trance Liberation Front
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djboo@purerave.com
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     Many conservatives in Congress, however, oppose such change.
"U.S. techno-industrial is hardcore, and it must stay hardcore," said Sen.
Orrin Hatch (R-UT). "Would Al Jourgensen wear a T-shirt depicting smiley
aliens telepathing 'Love' to their baggy-pantsed children? Techno should
be about hate, not love. Techno is about wearing black and screaming, not
standing in one place and swaying peacefully. I say, bring back the days
of Skinny Puppy." 

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we here at rotate in windsor are proud to present channel 7 of our
remote control series.

channel 7.
friday. febuary 26th. 1999.
windsor. ontario.

terrence parker and friends..
-techno? tech-house? house? hip-hop? disco?! does it matter?! cause we
all
know when mr tp is behind the one and twos it gets no better! once
again, 
rotate is proud to present detroit's hottest and most provacative
progressive dance music mixer, dj extraordinare mr terrence parker. :)

**an interesting side note on this event is that on this evening, tp
will be recording his set live for the release of his first mix cd of
1999
entitled "TP Live in '99 vol.#1"**

*also. anyone who attends this event will recieve a coupon good to pick
up the forthmentioned cd for only $8CDN at rotate in windsor*

this event is 19+ and limited capacity. cover will be 5$.

location. windsor press club. 83 riverside drive west.

for more info/full directions check rot8.com or call
519.254.2299/519.254.6229.

peace.

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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, chris ege wrote:

> 
> anyone notice an unusually large number of posts lately where someone
> quotes a previous message and then doesn't add anything?
> 
> why do people do that?  it's not like they're quoting anything so important
> that it needs to be seen twice.
> 
> 

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youre welcome matt.

derik

ps.  hope you all know i was joking.

Matt Massive wrote:

> "KIMBALL COLLINS IS A GUY?!?!?!"
>
> this is the best quote in mw-raves history.
>
> thank you for your time...
>
> --
> Matt Massive - Massive Posse USA
> massive@mixcom.com    matt@massivemag.com
> http://www.massivemag.com   POBox 11373 - Milwaukee WI 53210


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Hey now, I'm sorry to hear about your recent shrinkage (Honey, I shrunk the
Positive Kids).  Anywhoya, that will just make you all the more mighty!
I have a question about the translation of a few lyrics on the Matt +/Eric
"the funky homosapien" Spex tape.  It fuckin' rocks and has caused me
several speeding tickets.
"Hardcore vibe that's _____    _______, whoa yeah"????

-before the infamous Tetris track
"Bass (?????board is kicking????!!)  ________????
Help me
Once you go Happy, you'll never go bacK!
willebear@mindspring.com



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 16:44:24 1999
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>technical sorta-rave-related question for ya'll...
>
>i am going to be doing a radio show on march 9th, and the station does 
a
>real-time real-audio broadcast. is there any way that i can do a 
capture
>of the session from my computer? i'd like to have the real-audio posted 
on
>my site...
>
>thanks in advance...

this should work...
run a 1/8" jack cable from an output on whatever the radio thing has 
into your computer, and go to http://www.real.com  and get a program 
called "real producer g2" which allows you to record real audio..
or do what i did, which is tape the set on a cassette tape, and hook 
your walkman with the 1/8" cable into the computer (after the set is 
over) and record that way...

Dj Storm
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In a message dated 2/24/99 8:32:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
chadsommer@upshotmail.com writes:

<< Kid 
 
 	You don't know enough about Norman Cook to make a statement that
 bold. You are acting just as predictable and reactionary as the people that
 cheer on cue at "Scream". All you have to go on is a quote by Norman Cook
 (that for all you know may be taken out of context) and the fact that he's
 got a hit tune - BINGO! SELL OUT! RAPIST OF CULTURE! That's all the evidence
 anyone needs, right?   <<

you must underestimate my ability to reason or something... all i have to go
on is one quote???   No thats not all the evidence... considering I could get
more from a press junket... but the music itself is evidence quite enough...
the way it is allowed to be presented... the actual fact of the matter that
the producers who made it POSSIBLE for norman cook to be able to do what he
does... make CONSIDERABLY less money doing the purist version.  Not to mention
the artists before these producers, the original articles that were set upon
two turntables and juggled by the likes of Bambata, Flash, Jazzy J, and the
like... 

Moodyman said something interesting once... which i didn't know if i agreed
with on the total edge of it... but he did have a point.  he said in a matter
of words he was sick of white people sampling the same ass loops and other
soul loops and making them 'tired' or essentially defunking them.  I don't
exactly agree with the color issue... but I gotta agree... you have to have
alot of history with a culture and pay it alot of respect... in order to be
able to state the soul of it... and yes, a white person will NEVER completely
be able to state the same thing... obviously... since a good amount of the
body of music had dealt with struggles and successes over problems that were
UNIQUE.  

Now, Norman Cook i highly doubt took the time and energy to research, dig,
explore and really get to know the root of where his music comes from.  and
yes, i have never seen it spoken in an article; that sentiment (and you can't
avoid it... as someone said... when brit press fills up jockey slut and the
like with the b.s.)
So in essence... its an imperfect reflection of something that has already
existed... an encapsulated curio... a soundbite... a tip from the head of
bobbit's... er... yeah.  

so if a purer sense of that music exists... why the hell go for the diluted
article.

cos its safe.
cos its kitchy.
cos its signed, sealed and approved by the guy at the head of the record
company.

make us money boy.

we can't market some militant black men... but a white guy in a cowboy hat...

hey that'll sell some rekkids.

>> 	If you don't like his music, that's fine - but you have to be
 careful about making such condemning statements with very little hard
 evidence to back it up. I can make just as a convincing argument that Norman
 Cook is the premiere post-modernist music composer of our time with the same
 evidence. >>

I'm careful... I'm also outspoken.  

i cite the whole entire catalogues of the black soul-funk movement of the 70's
as my evidence.

where'd ya get them drums.

yours truly,
TIM OLSON
p.s. whoever forwarded the original message to umpteen lists.  Thank you, I'm
not sure why ya did... but its kinda humbling.

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Sounds to me like:

"hardcore vibes, got to run tings, whoooa yea!"

Which makes sense, mostly. =)

On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, WillEBear wrote:

> Hey now, I'm sorry to hear about your recent shrinkage (Honey, I shrunk the
> Positive Kids).  Anywhoya, that will just make you all the more mighty!
> I have a question about the translation of a few lyrics on the Matt +/Eric
> "the funky homosapien" Spex tape.  It fuckin' rocks and has caused me
> several speeding tickets.
> "Hardcore vibe that's _____    _______, whoa yeah"????
> 
> -before the infamous Tetris track
> "Bass (?????board is kicking????!!)  ________????
> Help me
> Once you go Happy, you'll never go bacK!
> willebear@mindspring.com
> 
> 


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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, WillEBear wrote:

> -before the infamous Tetris track
> "Bass (?????board is kicking????!!)  ________????

Not sure, but its probably:

"That...beats...that beat's kicking it..."

If its the song i'm thinking of...

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Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

> Now, Norman Cook i highly doubt took the time and energy to research, dig,
> explore and really get to know the root of where his music comes from.  and
> yes, i have never seen it spoken in an article; that sentiment (and you can't
> avoid it... as someone said... when brit press fills up jockey slut and the
> like with the b.s.)
> So in essence... its an imperfect reflection of something that has already
> existed... an encapsulated curio... a soundbite... a tip from the head of
> bobbit's... er... yeah.

Word!.........He is english, so in his head why should he research and respect it,
they know everything about the cultures that they have raped and pillaged
from.Fuck him and his country.
In my opinion this guy is just a rapist of music in the purist sense.  Look where
he came from, cheesy 80's pop that some how the U.S. was in love with.  He jumped
on whatever bandwagon that he could to make some cash, plain and simple, this is
proven throughout his musical history, changing what he makes to fit the pattern
of whatever is making the $ at the time.
You know, I would respect the guy if he had stayed with one particular style and
evolved into a different style, or had actually broke new ground and been an
innovator. (examples of this IMO would include Bjork <to an extent>, Love and
Rockets <who suck IMO, but they have evolved over time, not cuz of popularity of
the music, cuz of a respect and desire to put thier own twist on it>, and well
fuck I don't know....).

> so if a purer sense of that music exists... why the hell go for the diluted
> article.
>
> cos its safe.
> cos its kitchy.
> cos its signed, sealed and approved by the guy at the head of the record
> company.
>
> make us money boy.
>
> we can't market some militant black men... but a white guy in a cowboy hat...
>
> hey that'll sell some rekkids.

The above statement by Entropy is why I fucking hate the record companies.Paris is
the perfect example of an artist that a record company can't market....that guy's
fucking tracks make old school P.E. and Proffessor Griff look like Republicans.
Plus the man has got some skills.  And his bass lines were fucking rolling....I
swear there has been a couple of jungle albums that have sampled one or two of his
basslines.

Props to Entropy, once again some well stated shit.



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In a message dated 2/26/99 10:10:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
djnickel@earthlink.net writes:

<< Word!.........He is english, so in his head why should he research and
respect it,
 they know everything about the cultures that they have raped and pillaged
 from.Fuck him and his country. >>

haha =) yeah from the country who brought you teabagging =)  not all the
english mind you are that fucked... if you take a real hard look at what goes
on in the d and b scene down there as far as culturally... (why it is truly
urban music, etcera...) you see a similar backdrop that created the elements
of hip hop culture.  but in general... the d and b scene (at least the
hardcore one) and the big beat scene are two different animals.

>> Paris is
the perfect example of an artist that a record company can't market....that
guy's
fucking tracks make old school P.E. and Proffessor Griff look like
Republicans.
Plus the man has got some skills.  And his bass lines were fucking
rolling....I
swear there has been a couple of jungle albums that have sampled one or two of
his
basslines.  <<

actually there is a break known simply as the 'paris' break in jungle... used
quite a bit... but the guy who produced the first Paris album... I've always
wondered... was that mad mike??  or someone from that crew?  i was sitting and
wondering about it one day... i know he had some name similar... but then i'm
thinking back to exactly how the music was created... (i.e. lacking any real
sample hooks... more synth generated...) i dunno tho, i think paris was either
from detroit or ohio.

entro
the devil made me do it.

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I was aware of the demolition of the houses in early february... but again
check the site... legal action is being taken... and thats where alot of the
donations will be going to.

http://www.heidelberg.com

entro

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Now I am pissed!.....I just went to look at the Paris tape I thought I had, then I
realised that I dubbed it from my brother, then I think I either lost it or fuck,
I don't know.  I am pissed now, I wanted to hear that tape right now! Fuck!
Anyhow, I think he was from Cleveland, I could be horribly mistaken (which in fact
i probably am.....)
Well, now I am on a mission to find that tape/album.
I love militant rap, what the fuck happened to it?  It used to be pretty abundant,
a lot of people had a message, and now, it's all kinda gone back to how the
majority of rap was in the 80's..."i got this and that, and i got this ho.....blah
blah blah...."
Killa Army is kinda cool, but I don't know.....
Fuck!
Yeah there are some exeptions to my general rule of English people being
bastards....just like any other rule....but the majority of white english guys are
bastards!   heheheheh.<~~trying to start shit cuz I am Irish....hehehheheh

"can't be fucked around...
cuz i ain't from compton"
or something like that.....
Fuck!



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hrmmm
<gets out white-out>
<replaces .com with .org>
there, that looks better =)

http://www.heidelberg.org

nitpicker extroidanaire
pixie


>I was aware of the demolition of the houses in early february... but again
>check the site... legal action is being taken... and thats where alot of
the
>donations will be going to.
>
>http://www.heidelberg.com
>
>entro


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In a message dated 2/26/99 10:35:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
djnickel@earthlink.net writes:

<< I love militant rap, what the fuck happened to it?  It used to be pretty
abundant,
 a lot of people had a message, and now, it's all kinda gone back to how the
 majority of rap was in the 80's..."i got this and that, and i got this
ho.....blah
 blah blah...."
 Killa Army is kinda cool, but I don't know.....
 Fuck! >>

try the following>

Company Flow 
The Arsonists
Scienz of Life
MF Doom
Juggerknots (Breezly Bruin is hands down going to take the year 2000 and
beyond.)

most of which can be found on Bobbito's label fondle em'
and co flow's debut on rawkus

entro

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that shoulda sed DEVOTION not evotion.  i can't type when i'm cracked out
:/

heh

*poof*

-ZoD


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>As an added bonus Sy & Demo will be performing a live PA of the following
>hit tracks in Arena 1: Evotion, Sensation and, Tears Run Cold.

ok...first of all, i know this is just a typo, but just so _everyone_ can
know, the greatest tune in the history of recorded music is sy & demo's
"devotion", not "evotion"...hehe.  and the word on the street about this
party is that the live PA is dependant upon the promoters getting the right
gear for sy & demo...at least sy is taking no gear w/him.  and the bird
that sings for them is *definitely* not gonna be there.  *shrug*  i would
still like to go, but i'm not.  so you lot will have to let me know how it
goes...


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 19:42:28 1999
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Just a little FYI  if anyone's  interested John Acquaviva is going to
be making a special little appearance at Crobar (sorry if you're not
remotely close to Chicago).  It's on a saturday....March 12th I
believe.   They listed him as Techno and Acid House or something so
who knows what he'll be spinning.  The ad was in this week's reader on
the front page with the club listings.  Enjoy!


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>"Hardcore vibe that's _____    _______, whoa yeah"????

i think it's "hardcore vibes, that-a run tings, whoa yeah".  at least
that's what i always say.  :P  that is muzarka "hardcore vibes", which is
on slammin vinyl's compilation "absolute hardcore 2"...but i believe the
version eric drops is different, quite possibly available only as a
12"...on world of obsession i think?

>-before the infamous Tetris track
>"Bass (?????board is kicking????!!)  ________????

this is the same sample that was used in the 1995 ian pooley acid house
anthem, "celtic cross".  it is even timestretched at the end like it was in
that tune.  so, it's quite possible that the "what's that guy saying"
debate was resolved 3-4 years ago.  anyway, i always thought it said "bass
the boy is bangin".

>Once you go Happy, you'll never go bacK!

believe.  :)


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>march 3
>-booty bounce-
>*gary chandler

i must say...

if there was a grammy for ASS-SHAKINEST DJ, it would have to go to this man.

does friday nite live @ legends still go on?  maybe i need to go up to
detroit sometime soon...


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 20:12:24 1999
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>anyone notice an unusually large number of posts lately where someone
>quotes a previous message and then doesn't add anything?
>
>why do people do that?  it's not like they're quoting anything so important
>that it needs to be seen twice.

innit.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 20:12:58 1999
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DIRECTIONS

from KC
DIRECTIONS

from KC

1-70 west to the east lawrence exit...take a right at the light..go 
about 1 mile to highways 24 & 40 east...take a right...go about 1/4 mile 
the t.p.'s are on the right hand side of the road...
or...
take highway 10 east to lawrence...take a right on massachusetts 
street...follow it all the way through town...go across the bridge and 
keep going until you hit highways 24 & 40 east...take a right...go about 
1/4 mile the t.p.'s are on the right hand side of the road...

from Topeka 

I-70 east to the east lawrence exit...take a right at the light..go 
about 1 mile to highways 24 & 40 east...take a right...go about 1/4 mile 
the t.p.'s are on the right hand side of the road...

from wichita

take the turnpike to the east lawrence exit...take a right at the 
light..go about 1 mile to highways 24 & 40 east...take a right...go 
about 1/4 mile the t.p.'s are on the right hand side of the road...

from Highway 59 going north...
follow 59 to 6th street take a right on mass street...follow it all the 
way through town...go across the bridge and keep going until you hit 
highways 24 & 40 east...take a right...go about 1/4 mile the t.p.'s are 
on the right hand side of the road...

from 59 going south 
just before town you will see highways 24 & 40 east...take a left...go 
about 1/4 mile the t.p.'s are on the right hand side of the road...

peace
dylan
strung out productions
the love party
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y'know... as much as I really don't like the music, I can't bring myself
to hate Norman Cook, 'cause from all reports he's a pretty cool/funny
guy...

I remember an interview with Norman Cook where they asked him how he
felt about the fact that he was basically pillaging black culture by
raiding old records for beats and samples...

his response?

"I'll say the same thing I said 10 years ago when a radio announcer
asked me how I felt about the success of our cover version of Caravan Of
Love... I asked him if he'd ever played the original on his show.  He
said no.  I told him that at least they were getting royalties now."

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>Anyhow, I think he was from Cleveland, I could be horribly mistaken
*snip*
>Killa Army is kinda cool, but I don't know.....

yeah and killarmy (along with about half of wu-tang) is from fucken
STEUBENVILLE!!! hahahahahahaha.  RePrAzEnT !!~!

OHIO PLAYAZ!!!

:P

>I love militant rap, what the fuck happened to it?  It used to be pretty
>abundant,
>a lot of people had a message, and now, it's all kinda gone back to how the
>majority of rap was in the 80's..."i got this and that, and i got this
>ho.....blah
>blah blah...."

who wants a message?  it's more fun to just be a player.


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>Company Flow

man, i keep forgetting to look for this.  for like 2 weeks rap city was
caning "end to end burner" but i never picked up the LP...obviously entro
likes it, anyone else have any thoughts?


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Feb 26 20:39:10 1999
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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, michael mccusty wrote:

> that's what i always say.  :P  that is muzarka "hardcore vibes", which is
> on slammin vinyl's compilation "absolute hardcore 2"...but i believe the
> version eric drops is different, quite possibly available only as a
> 12"...on world of obsession i think?

Yea on World of Obsession with a Sy and Unknown mix and a Vinylgroover mix.
The one with the funky cool jungle breakdown is the work of Sy & Unknown. The
bouncier one is Vinylgroover...

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>From mw-raves-owner-k_os22=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Wed Feb 24 
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>I was sending out this message to you all and seeing if anyone from the
>U.S. (Midwest more specifically) is planning on going this year to the
>Loveparade.  It's supposed to be 10-7-99 and if you know what it is, 
then
>you also know it's in BERLIN!  Yeah baby...  Anyway I was going to try 
and
>save up the cash for the trip over this summer and go in October.  
But...
>if there's enough peoplez going from around the Midwest then perhaps 
buying
>plane tickets at group rates could save ALOT of money.   If you don't 
know
>anything about the Parade, it's basically a Huge rave on the streets of
>Berlin, Germany for the past couple years.  Last year of 1 million 
people
>attended...
>
>The website is:
>http://www.loveparade.de
>
>wanna see a kickass video clip?  Try Episode 10 of Freakcity:
>http://www.raveworld.net/freakcity/freakcity.html
>
>
>anyway, hope there's interest....
>
>Ciao,
>      Mike
>
>
>
i might be going. some friends and i have been tossing around the idea 
and it's just a matter of figuring out if we can really afford it and 
stuff.  we would probably go for the parade and then spend a month or so 
just kickin' around europe.  wow, sounds like fun

toot-
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where in the midwest is germany? i've never heard of it but tht parade
thingy sounds cool. can anyone give me a ride in their bus?

heather

this thread is degrading into garbage. let's stop it now, please.
		--phillip w johnston


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What?

On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, chris ege wrote:

> 
> anyone notice an unusually large number of posts lately where someone
> quotes a previous message and then doesn't add anything?
> 
> why do people do that?  it's not like they're quoting anything so important
> that it needs to be seen twice.
> 

Matt

mayber you cang et on teh list yourself with all these crazy commands!


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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, heather wrote:

> where in the midwest is germany? i've never heard of it but tht parade
> thingy sounds cool. can anyone give me a ride in their bus?

Wisconsin.

no.



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 Whats the event in chicago tonight?? can anyone forward me the mail.. 
There is something going on somwhere..hmmm.. I think marcus watkins and 
niko were tonight as well as tommorow.. Thanks to anyone that can 
help!!!
                                     (0_0) Love to all
                                                Dan Sharp

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>where in the midwest is germany?

you can get there via the el.


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I saw the weather map and there is no rain in the entire U.S., except for a
strip of storms from North to South directly over the Midwest for tomorrow.
Just found that extremely uninteresting and thought I'd make some new
enemies by posting irrelevant schmopp.


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thank you gringos...

it was sap on my vcr.

los simpsons... ondelay... cheeba cheeba

thanks

entro

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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, chris ege wrote:

> 
> anyone notice an unusually large number of posts lately where someone
> quotes a previous message and then doesn't add anything?


anyone notice Chris being crabby on the list lately?
lighten up, dood!

PLUR!


> 
> why do people do that?  it's not like they're quoting anything so important
> that it needs to be seen twice.
> 

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Thou knowest soul how to me all sounds became music

-Walt Whitman


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> schmopp.

what a great word!

is that german?

"there is sauerkraut in my leiderhosen."

"i would like a schnauzer with my weinerschnitzel."


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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, heather wrote:

> where in the midwest is germany? i've never heard of it but tht parade
> thingy sounds cool. can anyone give me a ride in their bus?


i dont know...but i heard they make this other type of house there with
all these blips and bleeps and weird noises. weird!


> 
> heather
> 
> this thread is degrading into garbage. let's stop it now, please.
> 		--phillip w johnston
> 

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michael knight writes:

>Company Flow

man, i keep forgetting to look for this.  for like 2 weeks rap city was
caning "end to end burner" but i never picked up the LP...obviously entro
likes it, anyone else have any thoughts?  <<

there's a video for n to n burners?!?!  i'm eternally jealous.  

actually the n to n burners was a one-off with rawkus... unfortunately Big Jus
is no longer involved in the project... (partly because of his wife's
pregnancy i would guess) that was the guy i was asking about tho previously...
since i guess Jus used to live in st. louis and made Garage House... no one
replied on that one...  El Producto and Mr. Len are going to be coming out
with a solo album (as well as a tour... which we might just have to bring you)
this fall...  they're doing some like 30 minute live p.a. and then el p grabs
the mic at the end of it for another 30 minutes...

but on that album... "funcrusher plus" you'll get to sample breezly bruin of
the juggerknots, j-treds, bms and a whole slew of underground lyricists you
just can't find in your freaking coconuts...  prolly as vital if not more than
Public Enemy's "It takes a nation..." naw more.

also check breezly bruin along with de la on the new single from the soon to
be blowing my motherfucking mind album from PRINCE PAUL...

entro
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Well SCHMOPP comes frome the root word SCHMOOTY which is a polish version of
the word BOOTY.  Translated into German means....
of course....LOVE PARADE.  The only German exposure I've ever had is at
Paramount's King's Island when you turn left and go into "German Land".  Of
course, I have seen the Price is Right where the mountain climber climbs the
Price Mountain and yoedles on the way up.  Or is that swiss?  I dunno and
frankly don't give a fuck about all that schmopp!  (used in context for
educational purposes)
I appreciate your support in enjoying my word and may you happily bounce
around this earth with thunderous beats and beautiful Divas.
Much love
willebear@mindspring.com

My inner Butt-head says
"Huh, Huh...you just said leiderhosen."
-----Original Message-----
From: michael mccusty <michael@happy.hardcorps.org>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [mw] NRR-midwest plague


>> schmopp.
>
>what a great word!
>
>is that german?
>
>"there is sauerkraut in my leiderhosen."
>
>"i would like a schnauzer with my weinerschnitzel."
>
>
>*********************STATESIDE HAPPYCORE MASSIVE**********************
>dj michael knight                            |  michael@hardcorps.org
>american cheese productions, ohio USA        |  ICQ #27890270
>KickinBeats, USA                             |  www.kickinbeats.com
>**********************************************************************
>
>


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>there's a video for n to n burners?!?!  i'm eternally jealous.

yeah it all takes place in the subway.

>but on that album... "funcrusher plus" you'll get to sample breezly bruin of
>the juggerknots, j-treds, bms and a whole slew of underground lyricists you
>just can't find in your freaking coconuts...  prolly as vital if not more than
>Public Enemy's "It takes a nation..." naw more.

TALL statement that!!!  are you sure?!?  like that satement is so tall it
blocks out the sun.

>also check breezly bruin along with de la on the new single from the soon to
>be blowing my motherfucking mind album from PRINCE PAUL...

that prince paul hip hop opera one?  where everlast plays "o'malley
bitchkowski"?


*********************STATESIDE HAPPYCORE MASSIVE**********************
dj michael knight                            |  michael@hardcorps.org
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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:19:36 EST Kidentropy@aol.com writes:

>
>Now, Norman Cook i highly doubt took the time and energy to research, 
>dig, explore and really get to know the root of where his music comes
from. 
> and

>i cite the whole entire catalogues of the black soul-funk movement of 
>the 70's as my evidence.
>

Tim,

You might actually be off base a little on this one.

I'm not defending the music industry, however, as far as Norman Cook
himself
I think he knows a bit more about the history of black music than you
think he does.

Back in the 80's, he was the bass player & background vocalist for a band
called The Housmartins.  The Housemartins were generally known for their
hooky pop music, and had some similarities to the Smiths.

However, on several occasions they covered (and quite well I might add)
classic soul songs such as "People Get Ready" by Curtis Mayfield &
"I'll By Your Shelter (Just Like A Shelter)" by Lloyd Charmers.

So his experience with black music goes well beyond sampling drum loops
and bass lines.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he creates his own
bass
lines, considering he is an excellent bass player.

So, there you have it.  My $.02

	Joe

PS: Old Fatboy Slim = good dance music.  New Fatboy Slim = decent pop
music.
I'll take the Housmartins over either.
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.....We're expecting...

Scroll Down...









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...THE RESIDENTS live
2 shows, April 13 & 14, House of Blues, tix on sale Saturday.

did you hear me?

let me repeat myself...
...THE RESIDENTS live
2 shows, April 13 & 14, House of Blues, tix on sale Saturday.
I'm going to attend both shows because I know it is going to be the 
best.

Get on those tickets, this is FOUNDATION.  This is as important as 
Kraftwerk
was to anyone that shares the appreciation of the music that I do, and 
the
recorded music we all love as we know it.

jt





=exit=
   -adam-
       Endpoint Records


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 eric <edtrout@students.uiuc.edu> said:

>anyone notice Chris being crabby on the list lately?
>lighten up, dood!


hahahahahha!

Chris has entered the 'neXt _phase_'  of mw-raverdom.  It's all about your
<pnenergy>, man.  It's all about (evil)oution, man.  Yeah yeah yeah....
(this statement sang with 'Archies' style musical jingle.

And Germany lives in the states... In WISCONSIN.

Ich habe einen riesig Eisenpenis, baby!!!





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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:05:31 -0800 jared b griffith
<djnickel@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>

> He jumped on whatever bandwagon that he could to make some cash, plain
and 
>simple, this is proven throughout his musical history, changing what he
makes to fit 
>the pattern of whatever is making the $ at the time.

>From my understanding, he always wanted to feature more dance elements
in the Housemartins music but the rest of the band wouldn't stand for it.

I personally don't like the new stuff, but honestly unless you know him
personally
you don't know what his motives are.  

	Joe - [playing devils advocate]
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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Adam Tyr wrote:

> ...THE RESIDENTS live
> 2 shows, April 13 & 14, House of Blues, tix on sale Saturday.
<snip> 
> Get on those tickets, this is FOUNDATION.  This is as important as 
> Kraftwerk
> was to anyone that shares the appreciation of the music that I do, and 
> the
> recorded music we all love as we know it.

aarrrgggghhhh!!  can we say "jealous"?  they don't happen to be coming to
New Mexico anytime soon?  *sniff*  

Is this a tour? Maybe if I drive 7 hours to Denver or Phoenix, maybe I
could catch them?  please tell me yes and mean it.

I want everyone on this list to go out and acquire a copy of Duck Stab
today.

			paul toastman


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NO NO NO!

i do believe you are ALL wrong....it is on the  northern tip of the Michigan
peninsula.

and u can only get there by hydrofoil.

=)

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> Hey when everyone says dont fall for candy ravers they are bad news. 
>  Believe em.   I didnt listen and oops.
>  Just a lil advise for all tha kids
>  Stumps

ok, real quick...
first of all, what do you people consider candy ravers exactly?
..and also..
why are they so damn bad?
i'm still in confusion about this...
-charles-

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At 13:17 26-2-99 -0500, you wrote:

>actually there is a break known simply as the 'paris' break in jungle... used
>quite a bit... but the guy who produced the first Paris album... I've always
>wondered... was that mad mike??

I've always wondered... Isn't that break the break known as "The Mule",
with some stuff and effects added?

Eye-D

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Up next...
  * Ghetto Safari 6 - Down from the Waist Up

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> man, i keep forgetting to look for this.  for like 2 weeks rap city was
>  caning "end to end burner" but i never picked up the LP...obviously entro
>  likes it, anyone else have any thoughts?

Company Flow is the shit.  I got "...End To End Burners...Krazy Kings Too"
12", which i love, because it's got the end to end burners instrumental, which
is the craziest instrumental track.. it's got all kindsa weird wa-guitar
samples and the old-skoolest funkiest beat.. yeah.  I also have the Funcrusher
Plus LP (on cd :P) which is extremely phat.  Oh yeah, i also just picked up
Armand Van Helden's new record, which has a B side featuring Company Flow's
DJ.. it's called "rock da spot".  I don't exactly like the track that much,
but the scratching sounds really phat. (oh yeah, the a-side, "you don't know
me" is my favorite armand track.. disco--yay)
annyway, this is dragging on.. but basically, i love company flow, and i love
armand van heldan.  haha.

-charles-

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>  there's a video for n to n burners?!?!  i'm eternally jealous.  
>  

oh yeah, sorry for the double post, but the video is also really tight.. most
of it's them riding the subway, with phat streams of graff flying around the
walls and shit.. like, imagine any wyldstyle piece animated.  It's crazy.  and
also, it has lotsa tight shots of Mr. Len scratchin' it up.. 

-charles-

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ummmm....

uh huh.....

*looks through stack of fliers*

don't seem to be coming to my town anytime soon.... DAMMIT!!!!!!

-pm-

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>I am interested in reviewing some hard techno/
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> ummmm....
> 
> uh huh.....
> 
> *looks through stack of fliers*
> 
> don't seem to be coming to my town anytime soon.... DAMMIT!!!!!!
> 


Cuz your town probably sucks shit..where do you live..Centerville, 
Kansas?


L u k e  "Internationally" M o n t e i r o

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N e 1 know of n e thing goin on in louisville tonight?  I am soooo bored
Stumps

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In a message dated 2/26/99 2:11:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, dgroove@juno.com
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<< However, on several occasions they covered (and quite well I might add)
 classic soul songs such as "People Get Ready" by Curtis Mayfield &
 "I'll By Your Shelter (Just Like A Shelter)" by Lloyd Charmers.
 
 So his experience with black music goes well beyond sampling drum loops
 and bass lines.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he creates his own
 bass
 lines, considering he is an excellent bass player. >>

albeit the title of the above message meant I'm done with this.

ok he knows about soul music.

how does this go beyond anything?

when you take a music... cover it, sample it, make a drum loop out of it, put
it in your oven and bake it for whatever its worth... and don't give back to
the culture you stole it from... it doesn't matter what the fuck you do with
it.   

Greg fucking Dully has a hella lot more soul in his middle finger... and
actually makes a statement towards the community which he respects... (check
the cover of afghan whigs "congregation")  In their music, at least the topic
of race came up... and at least the concept of culture was acknowledged.  He's
covered some of the same choons...

once you are exposed to a culture... you want to go deeper and explore... cuz
you come up with an obvious question... why?  you earn a respect for it...
more than just... "wow, i got this guy his royalties... heh heh..."  is money
the end and be all... the finality.  

name me one instance where norman cook gave back to the community he
'borrowed' from... or tried to get down to the actual crux of the soul... then
fine i'll shut the fuck up... which i honestly wish i could already... 

yet honestly,  it pisses me off.

that alot of us... black or white... who actually give a little more about the
four pillars... the structure... the 120's... the math... the fucking
essence...  who might actually do some good for the benefit of humanity with
that cash, that ad space, that time, that bullshit... are left out of the
loop... not even able to speak a good deal of sense... not even able to use
that outlet of a million or so fucking listeners to make a difference...  even
if its a goddamn sentence in a liner note.
even if it falls upon deaf ears.

having that kind of power to sell records and not make a difference is
motherfucking criminal.

thats why i use a term like rape.

and if i'm too serious about this shit... thats my god given right.

and thats my .02 cents i got from "terminal beats."

entro
"Talkin' loud but ain't saying nothin'."



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 from time to time i just want to remind people - during all of the
discussion, badgering, arguing (the essence of mailing lists) to REMEMBER ONE
THING...

Opinions are like assholes

everyone has one

and everyone thinks EVERYONE else's STINKS

                                                                              
just remember that the next 
      											time you "know" you are right.

;-)
-adam

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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:37:31 EST Kidentropy@aol.com writes:


>name me one instance where norman cook gave back to the community he
>'borrowed' from... or tried to get down to the actual crux of the 
>soul... then fine i'll shut the fuck up... which i honestly wish i could
already...

I don't know _that_ much history on him, but I wouldn't rule it out.


>
>... not even able to use that outlet of a million or so fucking
listeners to make a 
>difference...  even if its a goddamn sentence in a liner note.  even if
it falls upon deaf ears.
>having that kind of power to sell records and not make a difference is
motherfucking criminal.
>

Well, you asked for it.  A few sentences from a liner note...

"A CHRISTMAS MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSEMARTINS:
For too long the ruling class have enjoyed an extended New Years Eve
Party,
whilst we can only watch, faces pressed up against the glass."

THE HOUSEMARTING SAY:
Don't try crashing a party full of bankers: Burn the house down!

TAKE JESUS - TAKE MARX - TAKE HOPE"

Now those quotes don't necessarily apply specifically to black community,
but they
do apply to the working class & the poor.  In fact, a lot of the
Housmartins' lyrics 
address humanity, politics & the class struggle in England.  Norman Cook
may not
have written the words, but he was a part of the band, and a part of the
message.

Like I said once before... We don't know him personally.  We don't know
his intentions or motives.
Unfortunately in this society, you need money to survive.  He's making
music which I assume he likes,
and that music is sustaining him.  Isn't that every musician's dream ?

Nobody said you have to like his music (I don't even care for the new
stuff too much).

	Joe
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In a message dated 2/26/99 9:42:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dgroove@juno.com writes:

<< "A CHRISTMAS MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSEMARTINS:
 For too long the ruling class have enjoyed an extended New Years Eve
 Party,
 whilst we can only watch, faces pressed up against the glass."
 
 THE HOUSEMARTING SAY:
 Don't try crashing a party full of bankers: Burn the house down!
 
 TAKE JESUS - TAKE MARX - TAKE HOPE" >>

i dont quite understand where they are coming from in these liner
notes....this kind of stuff further promotes social class battles...it doesnt
solve a damn thing...there is nothing great about promoting stupidity and more
trouble....rioting only causes more problems for the working class...

let the damn rich be rich....if you wanna be rich, be creative, innovative,
persistant, and work hard....its not gonna happen if all you do is playa hate
all your life...do something to advance your own status unstead of pulling
other individuals to your level....

blahblahblah
lauryN*

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><< "A CHRISTMAS MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSEMARTINS:
> For too long the ruling class have enjoyed an extended New Years Eve
> Party, whilst we can only watch, faces pressed up against the glass."
> 
> THE HOUSEMARTING SAY:
> Don't try crashing a party full of bankers: Burn the house down!
> 
> TAKE JESUS - TAKE MARX - TAKE HOPE" >>


On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:49:18 EST GiMmEJuNgL@aol.com writes:

>
>i dont quite understand where they are coming from in these liner
>notes....this kind of stuff further promotes social class battles...it 
>doesnt solve a damn thing...there is nothing great about promoting
stupidity 
>and more trouble....rioting only causes more problems for the working
class...
>
>let the damn rich be rich....if you wanna be rich, be creative, 
>innovative, persistant, and work hard....its not gonna happen if all you
do is 
>playa hate all your life...do something to advance your own status
unstead of 
>pulling other individuals to your level....
>
>blahblahblah
>lauryN*
>

I never said I agreed with it (never said I didn't either).  I'm just
saying there's probably
more to Norman Cook (aka Fatboy Slim for those who haven't been following
along)
than meets the eye, and that he has addressed social & economic political
issues in his music.

As for those quotes & politics.  The "ruling class" in england referred
to in the quote are 
born into royalty, they didn't "earn it". And "bankers" are rich because
of _other_ people's
money, not their own.
	
	Joe
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Wir haben auch eine grosse deutsche Vergagenheit hier in Cincinnati... =)

Wir haben auch das groesste Oktoberfest ausserhalb Muenchens... =)

*does the chicken dance*

I'm on some serious Nyquil, weil ich mich beschissen fuehle...

I can't even think in one language...

If you want a translation, talk to me on Sunday. Maybe I'll be alive
then...

Nyquil schmeckt schrecklich!


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra


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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 dgroove@juno.com wrote:

>He's making music which I assume he likes,
>and that music is sustaining him.  Isn't that every musician's dream ?

no, it's not.  


-chad m sponholz-
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give me some food.


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In a message dated 2/26/99 7:02:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, Ravingrle writes:

<< can someone please explain to me what "black music" is ??? i don't think
that i have ever heard of any music having color...  ((In other words, what
the hell - music has color now???))  SARCASM abounds... >>

i'm assuming it was meant for the list.

ask mad mike about black music.

entro
really sick to death of EVERYTHING... shutting the fuck up... and letting my
music speak for itself for now on.
au revoir.



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well actually we do know something of his motives....
someone else posted quotes from interviews and i have read a couple of
interviews where he clearly stated he was doing this for the cash.....
not for the soul, not to show respect, but for the almighty $ (or pound as
would be appropriate for him).
As far as the Housemartins songs, weren't those the general lyrics coming out
of England?
Those type of lyrics always sells be it here or in England, and English bands
have a tendency to dwell in those lyrics.....
take any pop band over the course of say 25-30 years from britain and thier
lyrics have pretty much remained the same as what the Housemartins were
writing (at thier core).
we are talking anyone from Pink Floyd to James.....
some of the most asinign (excuse the spelling) lyrics about being poor came
from Pulp...
"i wish i could be like the common people"...well if he didn't like being
rich and famous, why don't he give it up?  cuz the bastard is in it for the $

We currently have shitheads like Oasis taking the place of people like the
Housemartins, cashing in on the sorrow and angst of teenagers.
For fucks sake, we can even lump the Beatles into the same category with some
of thier lyrics speaking out against the system.
And it goes on and on, the Americans and various people buying into thier
idol's supposedly giving a shit.
Thus one of the reasons i love techno, no lyrics....no one trying to connect
with me through speech, i am connecting with some person who is miles away,
who is communicating with the most ancient form of communication, music.
that is the beauty of techno.
not this plastic bullshit candy coated shite that Norman Cook is putting out.


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saturday feb 27th.
Coffman Union, U of M.

"1000s of LPs, Tapes, Posters, Videos, CDs..
admission $2    info: call (612)  8 7 1 -1 9 5 7

(pleanty of parking under coffman)"


this sounds cool, i've never gond to a 'record convention' though.... parking
around the u of m can be a major PAIN though.  i think the coffman union
parking ramp is about $5 though......   it's the building right next to the
wiesman art museum... the big silver building on the river just off of the
washington st. bridge.


have a nice day, happy record hunting
~n







      where there are ~0o0o0Bubbles0o0o0~ there are sm:)es

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sorry about the short notice.....


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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:39:03 -0800 jared b griffith
<djnickel@earthlink.net> writes:

>someone else posted quotes from interviews and i have read a couple of
>interviews where he clearly stated he was doing this for the cash.....

He's never made any money off of me.  Even The Housemartins CDs I have I
bought used.

>Thus one of the reasons i love techno, no lyrics....no one trying to 
>connect with me through speech, i am connecting with some person who is
miles 
>away, who is communicating with the most ancient form of communication, 
>music. that is the beauty of techno.

I can agree with you there.  I frequently cite that fact when debating
over rock vs. techno.


>not this plastic bullshit candy coated shite that Norman Cook is 
>putting out.

I never said it was anything but pop music.

Not to start another discussion, but every person I've ever known who had
been
introduced to our scene via "pop techno" such as Fatboy Slim, Moby, Lords
of Acid,
etc, has over time developed a taste and respect for true-to-their-roots
underground
electronic music.  It's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as there are
people to 
educate these people that it goes deeper than that.

Also, would a goth fan call New Order sell outs because they don't sound
like Joy Division anymore ?
Did they sell out ?  Did Drop Bass sell out because they sometimes
feature House music at parties ?
Did Terry Mullan sell out because he plays house music rather than
Hardcore (yes, its true, he used to
play Hardcore).  Did Terry Mullan sell out when he stopped playing
Hip-Hop to start playing Rave music ?
(Yes, it's true, he used to be a Hip-Hop DJ before that).

Are you a sell out because you drive a Ford & your dad brought you up to
be a Chevy man ?

Whatever.  I'm done.

	Joe
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>Cuz your town probably sucks shit..where do you live..Centerville, 
>Kansas?
>
>
>L u k e  "Internationally" M o n t e i r o
>

yeah... we're usually too busy booking non-international supastars like
yourself....

when i think of international supastar DJs... i know "the DJ" is always
at the top of my list.

It's truly unfortunate the rest of the MW hasn't recognized your skills
yet.  A top level performersuch as  yourself jetsetting around the globe,
it blows me away that i have yet to see your name on a flier.  We have
really gotta get our collective head out of our ass and jump on the "the
DJ" bandwagon.

And juss so I understand correctly... yer trying to get people to send
you free mixtapes under the guise that you are doing them the valuable
service of reviewing their tape for free???????   Yer a helluva guy!!!!

peace and love...

-pm-

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I was curious if anybody could suggest any labels
(big-small-medium, I don't care) that are interested in
tekki-experimental-minimal electro and down tempo
(126 BPM ish) blip stuff... kinda in a Concept One/ Minus kinds
vein.. (unfortunately, minus is the only one I know of... I don't
find the stuff in stores around here much)...

Just curious...

o0o[qiB.]o0o

btw- rude, send me your address again and I'll get a tape to ya
in my next batch..







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shiat......uMmMmMm here I'LL be honest and just ASK pretty please will someone
send me Hard Techno Mixtapes for my LISTENING PLEASURE.??????

heehee...=)

or basically any kinda music..im not picky....im open to all different
kinds*....and if you want any evaluation ill give it to ya*...no
problems.....=)

but anywayzzzzzzzz
peeeeeeSh
lauryN*....THANKZ YOU IF YOU WANNA SEND ME ONE I WILL LUV YEW FOREVER AND
EVER*....(or more likely i will be highly gratefuL)....

Lauren Goller
Indiana University
01 30 McNutt DeJoya 
Bloomington, IN 47406 

=)

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<"hardcore vibes, that-a run tings, whoa yeah">
yeah i deffinitely think itz that

<his is the same sample that was used in the 1995 ian pooley acid house
anthem, "celtic cross".  it is even timestretched at the end like it was in
that tune.  so, it's quite possible that the "what's that guy saying"
debate was resolved 3-4 years ago.  anyway, i always thought it said "bass
the boy is bangin".>

damn i didn't know the original was ian pooley... i heard it a bunch tho
i always thought it was something like "bass board is bangin" or bass boy is
bangin

peace
NNOthing

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> >Cuz your town probably sucks shit..where do you live..Centerville,
> >Kansas?

Uhm.. I have no idea what this is about, and could care less, but yes.
What this means is a lot of open party space and other cool
oppertunities for events. For instance in spring/early summer we are
getting an event together in which we will be throwing an outdoor party
in the middle of a buncle of crop circles. 

True Kansas sucks ass big time, no one will argue with that but there
are some oppertunities here. You just have to make them yourself. 

later

AC

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How was this? 
My John Deere broke down on me and I was unable to hitch up the horses
in time, so I missed it. 

There should be some poics up of this later on today or definatly
tomorrow on the KS rave page (thanks brian).

later


AC

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hey, can i please have someone e-mail me privately with a password so that i
can look at the raver porn web page... I would greatly appreciate it... Thank
you

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Hey,

A while back someone posted the EBN website.
I need the url again.

Thanks in avdance,

(Pickin boogers & doin the Mudd Foot)

Evan B.
ElectroMedia, Ltd.

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Ok People , if u think u got what it takes send me some shit for future
bookings ...(no mix tapes please)
We need some new talent up in this motherfuckin town . . .anything other than
house ...
Breakore,gabber,techstep,experimental .. anything .. neither send me some
trackz or a promo demo tape .... for more info just e-mail back.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Alex aka DJSuer the Damn Gabberizer
DLK Productions (818)
------------------------------------------------------------
Remmeber :NO DAMN MIX TAPES ONLY AND ONLY LIVE PA's

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Sorry for the short notice;
Please be sure to call the info line
to reserve tickets if interested.

02.27.99
Return

Fresh back from Tuscon, Az,
We Welcome
Chris B.-
Smooth House

Dj Pull- HI-Q
Slow Derek- Thought
On 4 turn tables
Techno and Breaks

John Gregory
Breaks

D.Ra
Techno

Lil Ronnie-Mile High Club
Techno

Centrific-Intellephunk, Mile High Club
Techno 

$7.00
Limited to 100 Tickets due to space
Call 612.837.6129 For Directions and Reservations
Brought to you by Intellephunk

Thank you to everyone who has been out to our Friday night at the 
foxfire.  We appriciate all your support.

Thanks
Rachel
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 27 20:36:23 1999
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well, this is what i got from altavista translator:

We have also a large German Vergagenheit here in Cincinnati... =)
We have also the largest Octoberfest outside of Munich... =)

I'm on some serious Nyquil, because I beschissen myself feel...

Nyquil tastes terrible! (<--i think thats the only one that translated
perfectly)

können Sie mir helfen, rote Kuh meiner Großmutter zu finden?
*hugZ*
get better becky!!
pixie



>Wir haben auch eine grosse deutsche Vergagenheit hier in Cincinnati... =)
>
>Wir haben auch das groesste Oktoberfest ausserhalb Muenchens... =)
>
>*does the chicken dance*
>
>I'm on some serious Nyquil, weil ich mich beschissen fuehle...
>
>I can't even think in one language...
>
>If you want a translation, talk to me on Sunday. Maybe I'll be alive
>then...
>
>Nyquil schmeckt schrecklich!
>
>
>-Becky =)
>
>wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
>http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra
>


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Himadri, head of the Canadian electronic label Switch Records and 
prolific producer will be touring Japan in July and August of 1999 in 
support of his new album which will soon be released. The material on 
the album will span 10 years in the making. 

Ever since the formation of Switch in 1992, it and Himadri's music have 
been identified the more alternative sounds of electronic music. 
Further info on Switch can be found at the website at 
www.switchrecords.com along with Himadri's extensive discography at 
www.switchrecords.com/discography/discog.htm and a bio on Himadri at 
www.switchrecords.com/discography/himfo.htm

So far Himadri will be appearing at various times in Osaka, Tokyo, 
Kyoto, Fukuoka and Shizuoka. Any producers or promoters who want to book 
dates, help arrange more dates or whatever can email me back privately 
at phaang@hotmail.com 

thank you

blair


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For all of you that are going to Solefusion tonite, I'll b there.  I 
will b wearing a pair of phat pants with a orange and red dragon on the 
back right pants leg, a brown "Wonka Bar" t-shirt, and i will have my 
back pack.  Dont b affraid to come up and say hi and give me a hug.

hope to c u all there 2nite
*HugZ*

$cribble

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Feb 27 20:47:40 1999
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4 all of u djs out there, as of right now a few of my kidz and i r 
planning a partee for september 16, if u are interested in spinning, 
pleaz contact me to discuss it.

*HugZ*
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in an un-related note:

i translated leiderhosen from german to english on altavista, and i got

unfortunately trousers

*lol*
pixie


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At 07:47 AM 2/27/99 -0600, AC wrote:

>Uhm.. I have no idea what this is about, and could care less, but yes.
>What this means is a lot of open party space and other cool
>oppertunities for events. For instance in spring/early summer we are
>getting an event together in which we will be throwing an outdoor party
>in the middle of a buncle of crop circles. 
>
>True Kansas sucks ass big time, no one will argue with that but there
>are some oppertunities here. You just have to make them yourself. 
>
Hell yeah, kansas/iowa/nebraska all got spaces with mainly
non-jaded/ignorant owners of them, I for one am a barn man :) Just found 3
new barns to throw parties in hehe. Screw all that warehouse stuff, give me
some hay!
-Jeffz
-CornRaver-

  -( Subconscious Collective )-
             515-239-4685
-=Next Event:Hope, March 6th=-

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 Hello all,
   If all goes right and security allows me to bring my backpack full of 
candy in tonight, I will have loads and loads of pixie sticks and blow 
pops to hand out to all my brothers and sisters...Dance hard..Be safe, 
and look for me!!!
        Khaki Pants, Blue sweater vest thingy with a short sleeved 
buttonup underneath. Funny little light stick thingys(not actually light 
sticks, but ultracool) and all sorts of other toys.
     I will see you all there..!!!!
                         (o_0) Love to ALL!!!!! :)
                                   DAN SHARP

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PeZ
2-27-99 - I.C.U.P/dubtech

Buddy
Wilhelm K
John B-I-D
Ruffus Clark
Kurt
Lemon LYmon
Elysium
Jeff Woodward
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248.988.0883

also, does anyone know anything about some partie tonight called "masters of
detroit"? i know terrance parker is spinning..	 

-charles-

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I set up a shoutcast server streaming Mp3's from our website. Just go to
www.louipimps.com and click on the button that says "RADIO" from the main
menu. If you have WINAMP installed, this will let you listen to our realtime
broadcast of MP3's by using the shoutcast server. Since I just set this up
Friday afternoon, I am testing it by playing my new CD release over and over
(hehehe). Next week I hope to have a decent amount of programming (the Cue
list etc) set up so that it is a more enjoyable and random experience when
you listen to our station. Questions and Comments are welcome.

This is a free service!! =) You can access it directly by typing
serena.bluegrass.net:8000 into your winamp location loader...

- Radianation


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two questions:

#1) where are you located.. I wouldn't mind playing your events,
but I'm not driving halfway across the US inorder to do it...

#2) do you want the tapes in a live format, or anything from us
involving our gear... ?? Basically, if that last sentence was
confusing, would you prefer people to send live sets recorded
on tape over (WAY over) just trax they produce...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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LOL~!!!!!!!!!!
- Joe

On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:46:42 -0500 "Pixie" <pixie@bluegrass.net> writes:
>in an un-related note:
>
>i translated leiderhosen from german to english on altavista, and i 
>got
>
>unfortunately trousers
>
>*lol*
>pixie
>
>

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hm, where exactly is solefusion gonna be? i keep calling the info line
(937.586.9230) and its just giving me an operator (but yesterday when i
called they said directions would be given on that line today)...so can
someone e-mail me whazzup?
peace
-m


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Date sent:      	Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:47:13 -0600
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> > >Cuz your town probably sucks shit..where do you live..Centerville,
> > >Kansas?
> 
> Uhm.. I have no idea what this is about, and could care less, but yes.
> What this means is a lot of open party space and other cool
> oppertunities for events. For instance in spring/early summer we are
> getting an event together in which we will be throwing an outdoor party
> in the middle of a buncle of crop circles. 
> 
> True Kansas sucks ass big time, no one will argue with that but there
> are some oppertunities here. You just have to make them yourself. 
> 
> later
> 
> AC

 I didnt mean to diss Kansas..actually..Lawrence is a hella college 
town...and they have decent parties..when I think of middle America
I think of Kansas and Nebraska ..didnt mean to diss no Kansas 
folks either..BTW..the Kansas raves homepage is pretty damn 
cool.....


Luke Monteiro


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Dom any of you promoter types throught the Mid-West have any info on how
to get ahold of Chris Duckenfeild from Swag or how to get a hold of
Basement Jaxx???

Any info or leads would be greatly appriciated!

thanks..

derek.



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I can't wait!!  All the sound checks sounded incredible and I just finished
blowing up @round 300 balloons!  I'm a little light-headed but the balloon
drop will make it worth while.  For any net ravers on the list coming to or
in LOUISVILLE tonight, I'll be the one with a shirt that says HOMETOWN
HOMEBOY on the front and LOuisVillE's got the element on the back.  I'm tall
and goofy...come say hi!!
Peace kiddos
willebear@mindspring.com



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Just a reminder about the Strange Daze happening here in Indianapolis..
With the talents of 

Jeffree Dee (Milw.WI)
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Incognito (bloomington, IN)

this event is only $8 .... YES, that's right, only eight dollars with a
canned good, $12 w/out. This virgin venue will keep you guessing at how
STRANGE it can possibly get!! Call 317.375.7744 for more details....

This is a FUNKenterprise event in cooperation with Potluck.

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On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Pixie wrote:


that's because leider means unfortunate, and someone made an unfortunate
spelling error... It's REALLY spelled, LEDERhosen, where Leder means
leather. ;)

> in an un-related note:
> 
> i translated leiderhosen from german to english on altavista, and i got
> 
> unfortunately trousers
> 
> *lol*
> pixie
> 
> 

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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Hey kids,

Well, I had something interesting happen to me tonight, so I thought I would
share.  I'm chillin in my room, doin some drawing, listening to some tunes
when this tune that I have heard a million times before comes on and
suddenly I'm so choked up and all I could do was cry.  Although similar
things have happened to me in the past, it's really been a long time since
music touched me ~that~ deeply.  I mean, there are tunes that make you jump
up and scream and tunes that make you shake your ass and tunes that give you
goosebumps all over your body, but you know there's something insanely
pulling at your heart and soul when it brings you to tears.

What is it about music that can touch us so deeply?  Is it the notes, the
melodies, the harmonies, the beat, the speed....???  Probably a combination
of these things...  A friend of mine told me that at work someone overheard
some of his music and said it was just noise (something that will set any
raver off!) to which he replied, it may just be noises, but it's the way the
noises are woven together that makes it music.  Isn't all music just a
combination of 'noises'??

So yeah, there's my rambling for the weekend.

Peace and love...

Koog



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it comes as no surprise that me and my friend nick had a very good
conversation about everything and this on the way home from live on the
decks (we didn't bother to wait in line for the party).

as i saw the Milwaukee sign on the freeway, i started to think again about
the human experience...and the symbols we create for ourselves to tell us
where we are.  how dependent we are on our landmarks.  why can't we walk
around and always be familiar?  

do we always need directions to our destination?  and why is it we feel at
home in a particular location?  

why did we choose to experience ourselves this way, at this place, at this
time.

we all know the answers.  

we discussed how we relate our experiences to each other, through
language... and it was funny how i used new years eve as a place in
relating an experience to nick.

then we got on the subject of music, i wondered why during the times i was
more "open", music seemed so familiar.  we talked about what music is,
physically and related that back to language.  

i really believe music is transferred experience, and what you "get" is
really dependent upon how open you are and what you consider music.
you see, i heard my sisters singing along to "who's that girl" a few
months ago, and there was no question as to why i almost started crying.

to me, music is simply a higher form of communication, where one person
has a feeling, puts it into their music and it makes another person feel
also in some way.

i think this is why really good music affects really open people so
strongly...when a musician has so much experience and feeling to put into
a piece, so much to convey, it really is a tool one can use to "learn".
and perhaps this is why (what i consider) good hip hop is so powerful. 
and this is why (what i consider) good techno has such profound effects.
and rock from the 60's and 70's seems so deep to me.

because the people who create it have one frame of reference that they are
opening a window to for you.  and once that window is open, you can look
through it whenever you like.  think of that song again.

that is why i think there are certain dj's who are able to affect me so
strongly,  these people who've seen and felt things i haven't yet seen and
felt...through music.  certainly they must know this on some level,
otherwise they wouldn't play the music they do.  if they didn't realize
the importance of its message, they wouldn't put it together in the way
they do...for me to understand.

we tried to define music, but whatever we thought of, we could think of
another person who defined music differently.  nick said "well, if music
isn't one thing, then it must be everything"  i agree.

but even if it is one thing, it seems to be a reflection of
everything...just like everything else is.  you are a reflection of your
favorite music and vice verse, so i feel justified in sayig that you are
all music...individual voices in the grand orchestra of life.

as we are also all the conductors of this orchestra, and co-writers of the
great piece (peace?), my hope is for everyone to put as much of their
entire experience in everything they do.  to be creative..to channel the
energies that are always there and make them matter. 

...or make them music.  

love,
Chad




-chad m sponholz-
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give me some food.


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The EVENTS page has been updated and the photos from Home Town Heroes 1.0
are already posted! This party was absolutely kickass and even if you didn't
attend I suggest you take a look at the pics to see how much fun this was!
go to www.louipimps.com and hit up the EVENTS page, then click on HomeTown
Heroes 1.0 ...

ENJOY! =)



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Just thought i would post n let everyone know hometown heroes was a
blast.  502 iz in tha house
Stumps

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yeah i live in philly i got it the day, it came out... its pretty fat... if
you like that kind of stuff... there was a big article about them in the
philly weekly.. they turned to a nwew label who promtoed them much better..
this would be their last chance if they dont got platium ccause they are in
debt... their prev albyums were good but sold 300k a peicenot nearly enough

peace
alex

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Luke Monteiro wrote:

> Date sent:              Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:47:13 -0600
> From:                   AC <orion@idir.net>
> To:                     DJ dotcom <phlurgg@juno.com>
> Copies to:              xtra@hempseed.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject:                Re: [mw] Hard Techno Mixtapes
>
> > > >Cuz your town probably sucks shit..where do you live..Centerville,
> > > >Kansas?
> >
> > Uhm.. I have no idea what this is about, and could care less, but yes.
> > What this means is a lot of open party space and other cool
> > oppertunities for events. For instance in spring/early summer we are
> > getting an event together in which we will be throwing an outdoor party
> > in the middle of a buncle of crop circles.
> >
> > True Kansas sucks ass big time, no one will argue with that but there
> > are some oppertunities here. You just have to make them yourself.
> >
> > later
> >
> > AC
>
>  I didnt mean to diss Kansas..actually..Lawrence is a hella college
> town...and they have decent parties..when I think of middle America
> I think of Kansas and Nebraska ..didnt mean to diss no Kansas
> folks either..BTW..the Kansas raves homepage is pretty damn
> cool.....
>
> Luke Monteiro

  umm...so are you dissin' those of us in Nebraska????

peace,
Aaron


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I believe that music is so dear to us because our first conscience
experience is hearing our mother's heartbeat in the womb.  Why do you think
we're such beat junkies?
-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy J Koogler <KOOG@prodigy.net>
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>Hey kids,
>
>Well, I had something interesting happen to me tonight, so I thought I
would
>share.  I'm chillin in my room, doin some drawing, listening to some tunes
>when this tune that I have heard a million times before comes on and
>suddenly I'm so choked up and all I could do was cry.  Although similar
>things have happened to me in the past, it's really been a long time since
>music touched me ~that~ deeply.  I mean, there are tunes that make you jump
>up and scream and tunes that make you shake your ass and tunes that give
you
>goosebumps all over your body, but you know there's something insanely
>pulling at your heart and soul when it brings you to tears.
>
>What is it about music that can touch us so deeply?  Is it the notes, the
>melodies, the harmonies, the beat, the speed....???  Probably a combination
>of these things...  A friend of mine told me that at work someone overheard
>some of his music and said it was just noise (something that will set any
>raver off!) to which he replied, it may just be noises, but it's the way
the
>noises are woven together that makes it music.  Isn't all music just a
>combination of 'noises'??
>
>So yeah, there's my rambling for the weekend.
>
>Peace and love...
>
>Koog
>
>


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>Why do you think we're such beat junkies?

in that case, why isn't everyone?

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I'll keep it brief.

This party fuckin rocked.  It's hard to believe it was in Chicago.

Good: Sound, lights, music (Hardfloor !!!), venue.

Bad: Heat, Crowded, security.

Overall: 9 outta 10.

	Joe
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This is great !


> > >> An 80's Love Story
> > >> 
> > >> I was working part time in a five and dime.  My boss was Mr.
> > >> Magee. He was six foot four and full of muscles and walked
> > >> like an Egyptian, but I was happy to be stuck with him.  One
> > >> manic Monday, while I was busy working for the weekend, I
> > >> overheard him make a careless whisper.
> > >> 
> > >> He told two of my co-workers, Jack and Diane, that I gave
> > >> love a bad name. Well, I got so emotional, baby.  I told him
> > >> to say say say what he wants, but don't play games with my
> > >> affection.  He told me it was hard for him to say he's sorry
> > >> and not to worry, to be happy.  Then he blamed it on the
> > >> rain.  He was so out of touch.  It just took my breath
> > >> away.  I couldn't fight this feeling any longer.  I asked
> > >> him "What's love got to do with it?"  He told me to get
> > >> outta his store and his dreams and into my car.
> > >> 
> > >> So I figured I might as well jump.  I cut footloose, went
> > >> home and called my girl, Jenny.  (You already know the
> > >> number)  She was on the other line with Amanda.  They were
> > >> talking about Mickey and how he was so fine.  That blew my
> > >> mind! Was she really going out with him? I told her that I
> > >> had just called to say I love her.  She told me she had been
> > >> saving all her love for me, but now she was looking for a
> > >> new love - asta la vista, baby.  I thought "I can't go for
> > >> that - no can do! Bring me a higher love!"  I called up some
> > >> of my old west end girls, hoping that one of them would want
> > >> to get physical all night long (all night).  First I called
> > >> Billie Jean - she told me to beat it.  I called Rosanna -
> > >> her sister Christian blessed the rains down in Africa and
> > >> then hung up on me.  Come on, Eileen! ... no answer.  Nobody
> > >> told me there'd be days like these!  I was feeling like the
> > >> owner of a lonely heart.
> > >> 
> > >> Then, out of the blue, my best friend's girlfriend (she used
> > >> to be mine) Roxanne calls.  Yes, the real Roxanne.  She told
> > >> me she still hadn't found what she's looking for and that
> > >> she wanted to take on me.  I said "I thought you were
> > >> Jessie's girl."  She said "Don't you want me? You don't have
> > >> to put on the red light - I'm on my own." What a feeling! I
> > >> had the eye of the tiger.  Who was I f-f-f-foolin?  Roxanne
> > >> drove me crazy like no one else. She's a beauty! She blinded
> > >> me with science, and weird science at that. There was always
> > >> something there to remind me of her and I just knew that I'd
> > >> have the time of my life.
> > >> 
> > >> I wasn't about to la-di-da-di. I jumped in my little red
> > >> Corvette and rocked down to Electric Avenue. I got my mind
> > >> set on her.  When I got to her house (in the middle of her
> > >> street) I ran.  I rapped on her front door and to this
> > >> rapper's delight, i heard a voice say "Who can it be now?" 
> > >> "Here I am, the one that you love", I replied.  I let my
> > >> love open the door and was immediately lost in her eyes.  I
> > >> felt like a virgin touched for the very first time. She
> > >> loosened her blouse and said "Rock me Amadeus!"  Well, I
> > >> felt it was my prerogative to bust a move.  I told her "I'll
> > >> tumble for ya!" as I pinned her on the stairs, hungry like
> > >> the wolf.
> > >> 
> > >> Just then I felt an invisible touch on my shoulder.  "Turn
> > >> around bright eyes!"  said a familiar voice.  As I did,
> > >> Jessie hit me with a sledgehammer of an uppercut that spun
> > >> me right round like a record. He was hangin' tough and
> > >> continued to roll with it, knocking the wind from beneath my
> > >> wings - broken wings by this time.  He rocked me tonight,
> > >> for old time's sake, beating me from head to toe, until my
> > >> true colors were black and blue and blood was spilling from
> > >> my mouth like red, red wine. "You don't owe me money for
> > >> nothing!" he snarled.  At this point I was livin' on a
> > >> prayer.  I crawled back to my little red Corvette and drove
> > >> home thinking about how my tainted love had cut like a knife
> > >> - how it seems that every rose, truly, has its thorn.  No
> > >> longer do I want to know what love is.  Love stinks.
> > >> -------------




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Yes, my friends....Strangeloop did it again...another phat gathering.  Did I
mention it was only six bucks??!!  I had the honor of helping decorate and
Chad Rigsby and myself blew up 300 balloons (I'll get to that later).  I
decorated with my lifesize Chewbacca, Yoda, Leia, Han, and other shrine
elements like Buddha, candles and incense (nag chamba, of course!).  When I
arrived, Jason's mom was working the door and she was totally dolled up and
raved out.  It was beautiful!  In one room Donovan, an old school scenester
who's been @round the block, was tagging with Jason(Strangeloop)  with some
hard-hitting ambient strangeness (If ya know what I mean).  It was
majestic!~A+kidz.  I walked into the other room and caught James (Project 7)
doing some hard ass techno.  I was under the impression that I was in Berlin
for about 30 minutes.  It got my feet stompin'.  Then Gavin (DJ Booth) took
the wheels and got the roof blazin'!  Droppin' all kinds of classics like
Loose Caboose, Here for the Love, Get House, and some kick-ass tracks that
ripped the crowd into one chanting massive~"Snakes and Fireflies!!".  When
he dropped "Music Soundz Better with YOU" the crowd about wet
themselves...it was triumphant!  Then, it was refreshment time.  I've got
one word for you---NACHOS!!NACHOS!!NACHOS!! (okay, maybe three, but
DAAAMMMNNN they were good and only a buck fiddy!)  The water was only a
dollar!!  Who ever heard of such a thing!  I was outraged, I felt like I was
back in 1994 or something.  The bartenders were super-cool and quite
entertaining with their zany antics and megaphone tricks.  They had it all:
from cigarettes to disposble camera's for five bucks!~! Yeah!  Mad props on
the concessions.  Then, well, what can I say....
Radianation is my hero.  I made t-shirts that said "LOuisVillE's got the
element" which is a quote from the first track of his new CD which by the
way, is a must have.  For pics and info go2 www.louipimps.com (it's a phat
fuckin' website-you can even see my pic under the Hometown Hroes pic/I'm the
hometoen homeboy) He totally rocked the floor with his live set and got me
groovin' and blowin' bubbles.  Then VHS or Beta played.  WHHOOOOAAAAHH
doooooood!  I dunno what to say.  They are a live act with electronica fused
with abstract noize.  They use this voice converter thing that makes the
lead singer sound more electronic than a robot.  It was fuckin' bad!!!  They
wore uniform toxic waste fallout suits and wore glasses with glowing red
lights for eyeballs...very,very trippy.  This is a group to look out for.
Go on guys and take over this planet.  (BTW, these guys are really super
nice!)YAY!   Tokyo3 took over in the other room with some very well
structured and executed Rebirth based stuff...very nice.
AND THEN>>>>>>THE BENMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
if there ever was a Hometown Hero in Louisville, it is witout a doubt the
Benman!  He was extra live tonight.  I had made him a shirt that said
"BENMAN FOR MAYOR" on it and his set was beautiful.  I've never seen him
pump his fists like that.  He even brought a Diva from Ft. Lauderdale to
help him sing
Shake dat ass-c'mon!!!!  Then Jason threw on some Happy Hardcore records
(Once you go happy, you'll never go back!) and the 300 balloons that I told
you about, cascaded onto the sweaty screaming massive.  RIGHTEOUS!!      My
coffee began to wear off by this time and I had to bid farewell (yes,
people, coffee at a rave, someone finally figured this out!).  It was
beautiful and Jason wrote a pamphlet that he handed out called Let Your
Spirit Shine and it is right on.  You can probably find it at
www.srtangeloop.nu
Dubtribe is next then Shakti the summer Solstice party and then.....>>>
Interstellar Dreamfest!!!!!!  AW MY GAWD!!!   Keep it up, our beloved Jason,
and know that we know how beautiful you are!
Live well, Laugh often, and Love much,
Will Russell
Louisville, KY
Hometown Homeboy
willebear@mindspring.com


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the party was tha dopest, but did n e 1 elses shoes get as foul as mine
did   ;)
peaz 
Stumps

willebear wrote:
> 
> Yes, my friends....Strangeloop did it again...another phat gathering.  Did I
> mention it was only six bucks??!!  I had the honor of helping decorate and
> Chad Rigsby and myself blew up 300 balloons (I'll get to that later).  I
> decorated with my lifesize Chewbacca, Yoda, Leia, Han, and other shrine
> elements like Buddha, candles and incense (nag chamba, of course!).  When I
> arrived, Jason's mom was working the door and she was totally dolled up and
> raved out.  It was beautiful!  In one room Donovan, an old school scenester
> who's been @round the block, was tagging with Jason(Strangeloop)  with some
> hard-hitting ambient strangeness (If ya know what I mean).  It was
> majestic!~A+kidz.  I walked into the other room and caught James (Project 7)
> doing some hard ass techno.  I was under the impression that I was in Berlin
> for about 30 minutes.  It got my feet stompin'.  Then Gavin (DJ Booth) took
> the wheels and got the roof blazin'!  Droppin' all kinds of classics like
> Loose Caboose, Here for the Love, Get House, and some kick-ass tracks that
> ripped the crowd into one chanting massive~"Snakes and Fireflies!!".  When
> he dropped "Music Soundz Better with YOU" the crowd about wet
> themselves...it was triumphant!  Then, it was refreshment time.  I've got
> one word for you---NACHOS!!NACHOS!!NACHOS!! (okay, maybe three, but
> DAAAMMMNNN they were good and only a buck fiddy!)  The water was only a
> dollar!!  Who ever heard of such a thing!  I was outraged, I felt like I was
> back in 1994 or something.  The bartenders were super-cool and quite
> entertaining with their zany antics and megaphone tricks.  They had it all:
> from cigarettes to disposble camera's for five bucks!~! Yeah!  Mad props on
> the concessions.  Then, well, what can I say....
> Radianation is my hero.  I made t-shirts that said "LOuisVillE's got the
> element" which is a quote from the first track of his new CD which by the
> way, is a must have.  For pics and info go2 www.louipimps.com (it's a phat
> fuckin' website-you can even see my pic under the Hometown Hroes pic/I'm the
> hometoen homeboy) He totally rocked the floor with his live set and got me
> groovin' and blowin' bubbles.  Then VHS or Beta played.  WHHOOOOAAAAHH
> doooooood!  I dunno what to say.  They are a live act with electronica fused
> with abstract noize.  They use this voice converter thing that makes the
> lead singer sound more electronic than a robot.  It was fuckin' bad!!!  They
> wore uniform toxic waste fallout suits and wore glasses with glowing red
> lights for eyeballs...very,very trippy.  This is a group to look out for.
> Go on guys and take over this planet.  (BTW, these guys are really super
> nice!)YAY!   Tokyo3 took over in the other room with some very well
> structured and executed Rebirth based stuff...very nice.
> AND THEN>>>>>>THE BENMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> if there ever was a Hometown Hero in Louisville, it is witout a doubt the
> Benman!  He was extra live tonight.  I had made him a shirt that said
> "BENMAN FOR MAYOR" on it and his set was beautiful.  I've never seen him
> pump his fists like that.  He even brought a Diva from Ft. Lauderdale to
> help him sing
> Shake dat ass-c'mon!!!!  Then Jason threw on some Happy Hardcore records
> (Once you go happy, you'll never go back!) and the 300 balloons that I told
> you about, cascaded onto the sweaty screaming massive.  RIGHTEOUS!!      My
> coffee began to wear off by this time and I had to bid farewell (yes,
> people, coffee at a rave, someone finally figured this out!).  It was
> beautiful and Jason wrote a pamphlet that he handed out called Let Your
> Spirit Shine and it is right on.  You can probably find it at
> www.srtangeloop.nu
> Dubtribe is next then Shakti the summer Solstice party and then.....>>>
> Interstellar Dreamfest!!!!!!  AW MY GAWD!!!   Keep it up, our beloved Jason,
> and know that we know how beautiful you are!
> Live well, Laugh often, and Love much,
> Will Russell
> Louisville, KY
> Hometown Homeboy
> willebear@mindspring.com

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my personal experience:

at the door they took my vicks inhaler, my water, and my flashlight, saying i
could pick my flashlight up at the end cuz they needed it. 
security was really tight, they had security on this balcony watching
everything we did, i did not realize this until close to the end.  there were
mass undercover.
the lineup was phat, Terry Mullan tore the roof off, i got a record they were
handing out.... hmmm... i don't have anything to play it on.  when sleep C and
kevin cunningham came on, they were passing out tapes, the guy starting
throwing them and one hit me in the face, so of course i grabbed it off the
ground... ouch what i go through!
the venue was okay... only one room, but big enough for the kidz occupying it.
it was not too crowded.
the vibe was decent, everyone was having a great time.  
NO AFTERHOURS?????  that sucked, we were still ready to partee!
overall the partee was good... alot better than tranquility ;)...
Floorgasm has put out a letter apologizing for what happened, they are having
an Apology partee in June... so be on the lookout, cuz it is goin to go off
the hook.

luv
hEiDi

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>   umm...so are you dissin' those of us in Nebraska????
> 
> peace,
> Aaron


In fact...I am working on a gig in Omaha for the end of May...I 
would love to go there..as a matter of fact..


L.M

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this was by far the worst party i have ever attended in my life
the most fun i had was waiting in line for 3 hours to get in once i got in i realized the space was not as big as i expected and not nearly bing enough for all the people who attended i got in just in time to hear frankie bones the sound was ok and the lights were kewl and the video projections were awesome but it was so hot in there and i went to go buy water and as i was waiting in line a big sequrity guy came bye and told me to get out of the way and since i could not move because there were so many people he picked me up and through me on the ground, kicked me in the ribs and started punching people so he could get the last of the water
so then i payed 2 bucks for a can of brisk
my freind took off his shirt because it was so hot and he was told if he didnt put it back on he would be kicked out. i saw people kicked out for kissing 
i saw one guy grab a girls tits and then punch her in the face and run off
it was too hot to dance and condensation kept dripping on me
i was dehydrated and there was not more of anything to drink
so i picked up a epty water bottle to fill up in th bathroom and i was told by security that im was not allowed to do that
i told him people are going to die in here and he punched me and picked me up by my shirt and said then leave!
so i did
right as hardfloor was finishing
as i left someone said thanks for coming and support us in future
i almost spit in his face
fuk boogie tribe
i will never go to one of their parties again


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I didn't make it to the party because I have a marketing paper to write up here in Madison but my friends went and gave it a mixed review.


I think that the promoters should find a better way to raise money instead of charging party-goers $1 to refill their water bottle from the bathroom sink.  I am (unfortunately) used to paying $2 for a bottle at a party, but having to pay to refill it from the ghetto-bathroom water is ridiculous.  And also having someone charge .50 for hand soap is the funniest thing that I ever heard.


Otherwise I heard the party was a good time.


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On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Prugh Q wrote:

> >Why do you think we're such beat junkies?
> 
> in that case, why isn't everyone?

good point here.  

But also consider how most all musics have at least some form of an
underlying rhythm or beat.  Its found in the vast majority of the worlds
music.

why?  There is no obvious reason it should be there.   And I dont really
buy into the whole "heart beat in the womb thing" either.  I doubt you
could even here your mothers heart beat from the womb... 

On a related note...

I think music appreciation co-evolved with language comprehension; both
deal with the sense of hearing and are largely unique to our species....
(I have other, logical, evidence to support this view point but its still
largely speculative).

I doubt Ive been the first with these thoughts,
Adam

Any another thoughts on why the human race evolved a sense of music
appreciation would be welcome.




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On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 18:03:12 -0500 (EST) seizure@mindless.com writes:

>it was too hot to dance and condensation kept dripping on me
>i was dehydrated and there was not more of anything to drink
>so i picked up a epty water bottle to fill up in th bathroom and i was 
>told by security that im was not allowed to do that
>i told him people are going to die in here and he punched me and 
>picked me up by my shirt and said then leave!
>so i did right as hardfloor was finishing
>as i left someone said thanks for coming and support us in future
>i almost spit in his face fuk boogie tribe
>i will never go to one of their parties again
>

That really sucks that you were treated that way.  I didn't see
the security get that vicious with anyone.  I did see them yell at
& throw a lot of people out.  Most of the time for drugs or
smoking in the building. 

As for Boogie Tribe's connection to the security -
except for the police at the door, it is my understanding
that all of the security was provided by the venue.

The strange thing is that the venue, although a warehouse,
is a _church_ !  So I see why they would get upset about
a couple kissing (although not enough to throw them out),
but I totally don't understand them getting violent.

The water situation was also very bad.  Something 
definitely should have been done about that.

Anyhow...I can understand why you had a bad time. =(

	Joe
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bwAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

yeah Luke.... head on up here... woohoo!!!!!

or are you gonna be too busy spinning overseas during May?????

peace and love....

-pm-

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On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:37:13 -0600 "Luke Monteiro" <xtra@hempseed.com>
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>
>>   umm...so are you dissin' those of us in Nebraska????
>> 
>> peace,
>> Aaron
>
>
>In fact...I am working on a gig in Omaha for the end of May...I 
>would love to go there..as a matter of fact..
>
>
>L.M
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If any louisville kids are going to nashville this weekend and wanna
carpool pleaz e-mail me.  I can drive or give gas money.
Stumps

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In a message dated 2/28/99 2:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, KOOG@prodigy.net
writes:

> Well, I had something interesting happen to me tonight, so I thought I would
>  share.  I'm chillin in my room, doin some drawing, listening to some tunes
>  when this tune that I have heard a million times before comes on and
>  suddenly I'm so choked up and all I could do was cry.  Although similar
>  things have happened to me in the past, it's really been a long time since
>  music touched me ~that~ deeply.  I mean, there are tunes that make you jump
>  up and scream and tunes that make you shake your ass and tunes that give
you
>  goosebumps all over your body, but you know there's something insanely
>  pulling at your heart and soul when it brings you to tears.
>  
>  What is it about music that can touch us so deeply?  Is it the notes, the
>  melodies, the harmonies, the beat, the speed....???  Probably a combination
>  of these things...  A friend of mine told me that at work someone overheard
>  some of his music and said it was just noise (something that will set any
>  raver off!) to which he replied, it may just be noises, but it's the way
the
>  noises are woven together that makes it music.  Isn't all music just a
>  combination of 'noises'??


no, just the love of muzik, our muzik

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well i am damn sure reaffirmed in my belief that chicago is OuT tO gEt Me*

hahahah

this hands down was the worst party and road trip experience of my entire life

i was tired for the entire party...no big deal...i chose not to do anything
and thats my own thing....

the security were assholes...a friend of mine got kicked out for using a vicks
inhaler...which contributed in mad chaos because all of us got split up and
didnt ever find each other again...the girl who got kicked out is still
missing in action (and i have mad clothes in her car still)...

mad cars got towed from the area...the people were trying to charge $5
everywhere to park...and if you parked in a lot, you were most likely gonna
get blocked in til the end of the party....

the lines sucked...3hrs to get in...about an hour to go to the bathroom (only
to be watched by a security guard...=P)..then bout an hour to get water (if
you were lucky and happened to get a bottle)...the dumbass security at the
front door dumped out my purse but failed to even search my
pockets....gawd...dumb idiots...

most of the kids there at the party didnt have any sense of the word
respect...spatial respect didnt mean anything to them at all....a lot of kids
must have been REALLY gone because i had two different people approaching me
asking me to either sell them another pill or another bag of glass....like i
had either one of them in the first place to sell...people shoved each other
out of the way like even if there was space to move around you...

i did meet a few really chill chicago kids tho...and somehow a few of them
proved my theory wrong that all chicago kids cant dance werth a crap...(hehehe
they were older obviously enough...got outta town*...like smart lil childrenz
do)...met a few milwaukee peeps too that were kewl

i got to see dan and adam* from this list......chilled with them fer a lil
bit....

musicwise...
frankie bones blew
nigel was ok
hardfloor...didnt get to pay much attention to him cuz i was about to fall out
from exhaustion and being overheated...
mike dearborn..he was good...danced a lot to his set even tho i was tired and
hot...
danny the wildchild-blah..enough said...
the jungle all suckt royally...=P cheesed out...even heard a jungle remix of
"music sounds better with you"..which shows yet another way to torture
lauryn...hahah

the afterhours was okay...i liked the venue...dietrich & frankie vega tagteam
was aiight...danced a lot to them and halo and mark almaria....had fun..met a
lotta cool kids here too...dont see how i kept my energy up...i guess it was
because i had to do something with myself besides freak out about not having a
ride home yet and not having all my stuff....

then when we finally left the place, we (a total of 12 kids from indy and the
surrounding areas) had to get one car out of tow (dont ask..im not even sure
why it was necessary we all went to the impound for that...)...rode around
with these stupid kids who really pissed me off royally cuz they talked mad
shit about people i knew...i was mad ill by the end of the car ride...

i got back to my car...drove back here to bloomington...and here i am...still
without all of my stuff...the girl is still missing in action...=P

fukk boogie tribe for not planning for that big of a crowd when they knew they
had that insane of a lineup...and for not doing anything about the water
situation for a long time...for allowing senseless fights over water take
place...for letting security act like that...they probably made mad cash off
of it and dont care cuz they probably are gonna just do it again and have the
same kinda party and have the same lines and problems...and still
bank...stupid kids will never learn...however i did...fukk them...

i doubt i go back to shit-Cago for a while...i would love to go to detonate
and all and show my kids some support but i cant handle that crowd
anymore...disrespectful 15 yr old bastards who dont know jack (for example i
had to explain to more than one person that Dmitri from Amsterdam was NOT THE
DJ FROM DEEELITE...and the worst part was most of them were
disappointed...grrrrr)...if i can go up there ever again itll be for an
underground...fukk this massive bullshizzzzzzzzz....

mad love to all of you katz who kno what respect is and have it....im goin to
sleep*...
lauryN*








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In a message dated 2/28/99 4:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, twkr@juno.com
writes:

> >Why do you think we're such beat junkies?
>  
>  in that case, why isn't everyone?
>  
>  pq
>  

everyone is, they just dont get the chance to experience our muzik. which
brings me to a question. ever since i started listening to house, techno, etc
etc.......   every thing else seems so boring to me. its all simple muzik.
does ne1 else see this? especially iz rap, i used to be all no limit and all
them others but now its so stupid... dunno mayB its just me


GabrieL

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odd. we never had that kind of a problem recently in INDIANAPOLIS.
so ....... chi-town..... next time you ream indy for its lack of QUANTITY,
think about QUALITY.

 something i've witnessed in chicago about 2% of the times i've gone up to the
windy shadey shitty, ooops i mean city


            

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This party had lots of potential, but sucked because of poor planning
and a horrible venue.  It was located in a church that did not have
NEARLY enough space for the amount of people that showed up.  My
friends and I got there around 8:30 or 9, and there were lines
extending quite far both ways past the doors.  We finally got in
around 10:30.

Things started out okay, the sound, lights, and music overall was
pretty good.  But by midnight or so, moving anywhere was difficult.
The main room was incredibly hot and packed, the bathrooms were far
too small - the men's room had capacity for two people and they were
CHARGING people a dollar to fill up water bottles in the bathroom.
How stupid...

By 2 am condensation was raining from the ceiling and every room
seemed packed.  They ran out of any sort of beverages and a huge mass
of people were waiting for the snack shop to get more supplies.  This
could've been a serious health hazard, considering the heat and the
lack of ANY water, plus another review said they stopped letting
people fill up water bottles.

I left just as Hardfloor came on.  The music was good, but it was just
too hot and there wasn't enough room to dance.  The vibe was pretty
poor, too, though I did meet some cool people who were handing out
candy and stuff.

BoogieTribe should've easily been able to get a better venue with the
amount of cash they were charging.  I heard that they sold 4000
presale tickets at $20 each - how reliable that info is, I don't know.
But there must've been at least 2000 or 3000 kids there, the way that
place was packed.  If you're going to book big names that draw the
crowds, then get a venue to support the people!  Not a shitty church
with 2 bathrooms, and a snack shop that runs out of water.

I think I'll wait for Thumper in April before going to another rave,
Drop Bass/Eucalyptus can at least be trusted to supply good music with
a decent space, unlike basically any Chicago promoters.

- Rob

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adm eows wrote:
>But also consider how most all musics have at least some form of an
>underlying rhythm or beat.  Its found in the vast majority of the worlds
>music.

IT BEGAN IN AFRICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>
>
>On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Prugh Q wrote:
>
>> >Why do you think we're such beat junkies?
>> 
>> in that case, why isn't everyone?
>
>good point here.  
>
>But also consider how most all musics have at least some form of an
>underlying rhythm or beat.  Its found in the vast majority of the worlds
>music.
>
>why?  There is no obvious reason it should be there.   And I dont really
>buy into the whole "heart beat in the womb thing" either.  I doubt you
>could even here your mothers heart beat from the womb... 
>
>On a related note...
>
>I think music appreciation co-evolved with language comprehension; both
>deal with the sense of hearing and are largely unique to our species....
>(I have other, logical, evidence to support this view point but its still
>largely speculative).
>
>I doubt Ive been the first with these thoughts,
>Adam
>
>Any another thoughts on why the human race evolved a sense of music
>appreciation would be welcome.
>
>
>


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thanx to everyone for coming out...you made my first party a success 
thanx to you, there will be mores and better strung out production 
parties...looks like we had more fun than the LOTD II people... if you 
have comments please let me know so I can keep them in mind support 
local djs they keep your scene alive and fresh.

SPECIAL THANX TO THE MO BASS CREW FOR THEIR SOUND AND TALENT!!!!!!

thanx again
dylan
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>Has anyone seen the preview for "Go" yet?
>It's this lame swingers-type movie that, for what I gathered from the
>preview, is somewhat about raves. Oh god. If I understood it correctly,
>these 2
>guys are going to some rave, (I don't think they had ever been), and they
>wanted
>to buy some E. The plot thickens. The deal goes bad, and that's all I could
>figure out. They had a few shots of the "rave"; in the preview. I've
>never been to one like that. Professional argon lasers, well dressed
>twenty-somethings doing E, and errr, interesting dancing. Looked like a nice
>club to me. Hollywood does it once again.

yeah...friday nite i went and saw 200 cigarettes (which btw is a must-see,
in this reporter's opinion :P) and i saw the preview for this.  i think it
looks wicked.  katie holmes and jay mohr are both in it, and the director
is the same guy that directed swingers.  it looks like the rave/club scene
is only the backdrop for what appears to be a pretty interesting story
involving bunk drug sales, murder and grand theft auto.  i'll prolly go see
it.

in other katie holmes news, some philanthropic individual has ripped
(apparently from dvd) the sex scene which was cut from "disturbing
behaviour" and placed it online.  these things don't always stick around
long, so check it out now at:

http://209.5.30.46/~lwang/ktholmes/katie_holmes_-_disturbing_behaviour_(dele
ted_sex_scene)_-pfl.mpg

personally, i don't think it's much to write home about.  plus i can't view
it smoothly due to RAM issues :P  but if you are into katie holmes, it's
worth checking out...if you have the time to d/l it.


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I went to the "party" at sonic grooves in nearby berkley, MI.

Turns out they have a free event every saturday night at 7PM. They also
have 10% off of everything in the store on saturdays if you have the flyer.

       :)       that is pretty cool.

Sat. Norm Talley of Chisel records was spinning. My girlfriend and I
were the only people not affiliated with chisel, the store, or friend of
the owner there. Norm was spinning house. it was pretty good, I guess.
He had some good cuts. I'm a programmer, a rebirth goon. I'm no house DJ
expert. I didn't wanna jump up and shake my ass, but it's pretty hard to
make a decidedly uncoordinated person like me to do that.

In addition, the store is pretty small.

Is this A Bad Thing? No! it's even kinda cool and bedroomish to have a
small place with people just chilling with a DJ spinning. Better than
spending the night whining about not having the money to go out and party.


Did I mention it was free?


for those interested in the place (as I hate it when people tell about
something cool and leave no trace), the address is 4148 W. Twelve Mile
rd., Berkley, MI 48072  phone:(248) 586-0010.  Basically the place is on
the northeast corner of 12 mile and greenfield, and has no sign except
for the one in the window. Don't expect more than a hole in the wall.
Parking in rear.

Next weekend (mar. 6th?) Waxmaster D Smooth is spinning (and I quote the
flyer) "Detroit's hot mix of deep house". I bought his mixtape, and he's
OK. It'll be something better than my normal saturday to hear him spin.


Did I mention it is free?


anyway, it's cool that we geeky suburban kids don't have to hike to
detroit and shell out $20 on a boring saturday.

anyway, that's my unprompted plug for the week.  peace kids.




paul


.......    [  xjerkneckx  ]    ........

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> it looks like the rave/club scene
>  is only the backdrop for what appears to be a pretty interesting story
>  involving bunk drug sales, murder and grand theft auto. 

is this about detroit?

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 >In a message dated 2/28/99 2:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
KOOG@prodigy.net
>writes:
>>  when this tune that I have heard a million times before comes on and
>>  suddenly I'm so choked up and all I could do was cry. 

hmm..same thing happened to me when i went to see the Cure..(now, this is
not a statement im making so everyone can write to me to tell me the Cure
sucks, cause they really dont.) i absolutely LOVE THE CURE beyond any
emotion known to me...another phenomenon of the effect of music on our
species....anyway, they did Same Deep Water as You and I swear to god,
tears came to my eyes and I was so incredibly overcome with ...SOMETHING! i
cant even explain what it was. but it was wonderful....
love (im feelin love here),
val
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*valerie~lynn~valenzo*
valgrl17@megsinet.net
...and so it goes.....
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wanna touch my numbers?? ::wink, wink::


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ok. after all the horror stories ive heard about this party im
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad i didn't go...........anyways, i was just
wondering where exactly the party was?
ok. bye.
val
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*valerie~lynn~valenzo*
valgrl17@megsinet.net
...and so it goes.....
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wanna touch my numbers?? ::wink, wink::


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On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:38:46 -0600, you wrote:

>ok. after all the horror stories ive heard about this party im
>SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad i didn't go...........anyways, i was just
>wondering where exactly the party was?
>ok. bye.
>val

Chicago Victory Church at 3333 W. Grand.  Not sure what "area" of
Chicago this is considered, but granted it wasn't a nice area.

rob

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does anybody know the info on this (DATE!!!, info lines,times.etc.....) cuz i
got really bad info on this party...
ANy help is aprreciated
Fanks
- jOe

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On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Robert Sanheim wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:38:46 -0600, you wrote:
> >wondering where exactly the party was?
> 
> Chicago Victory Church at 3333 W. Grand.  Not sure what "area" of
> Chicago this is considered, but granted it wasn't a nice area.

That sounds like the space that Ripe used many a time back in '94 for 
'Fuse' and a few other events, as well as the backup space for 'Big Sexy 
Bass (er' Bust)'. Can anyone who was actually there confirm? The warehouse
I remember was quite large and could accomodate about 2000 (packed)  
people on each floor of the two story warehouse. Granted the bathrooms 
sucked but they always brought in a boatload of port-o-jons (even those 
got pretty nasty after a while).

Just wonderin'
sk

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-----Original Message-----
From: GNM3744@aol.com <GNM3744@aol.com>
To: twkr@juno.com <twkr@juno.com>; mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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Date: Sunday, February 28, 1999 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [mw] what it's all about????Muzik Q'z


>In a message dated 2/28/99 4:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, twkr@juno.com
>writes:
>
>> >Why do you think we're such beat junkies?
>>
>>  in that case, why isn't everyone?
>>
>>  pq
>>
>
>everyone is, they just dont get the chance to experience our muzik. which
>brings me to a question. ever since i started listening to house, techno,
etc
>etc.......   every thing else seems so boring to me. its all simple muzik.
>does ne1 else see this? especially iz rap, i used to be all no limit and
all
>them others but now its so stupid... dunno mayB its just me
>
>
>GabrieL
Yes, I have noticed that almost all other music is boring and simple.  I
have a music collection of over 500 tapes, CD's, and LP's, so my musical
taste is (or was) pretty varied.  Mind you that no more than fifty or so of
those are electronic music.  I have developed an intolerance for simple
music.  Kinda sucks actually.  I guess it's kinda like the first time a
person shoots heroin or smokes crack...they keep chasing the first buzz and
never find it....I can see the sky but can't get through the glass
ceiling....kinda thing.  Once you've heard the best, who needs the rest?
In regards to techno...once you go Happy, you'll never go back!
Peace,
willebear@mindspring.com
http://members.tripod.com/willebear/grid2shirtsogood.html



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On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:19:03 -0600 (CST), you wrote:

>That sounds like the space that Ripe used many a time back in '94 for=20
>'Fuse' and a few other events, as well as the backup space for 'Big Sexy=
=20
>Bass (er' Bust)'. Can anyone who was actually there confirm? The =
warehouse
>I remember was quite large and could accomodate about 2000 (packed) =20
>people on each floor of the two story warehouse. Granted the bathrooms=20
>sucked but they always brought in a boatload of port-o-jons (even those=20
>got pretty nasty after a while).
>
>Just wonderin'
>sk

Actually Boogie Tribe had a note posted on the door about how this
space had been used in 93 and had stopped being used because of too
many problems.  It also asked everyone to respect the place so it
could be used again...haha right.  Only one floor was being used for
LOTD2, though...I don't know why they didn't open up the 2nd floor.=20

Rob

