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anyone into a possible net meet at consumed..may 9th...hawtin party?


email back to me or to the list


peace

P.


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that girl productions (314-995-9518)
may 16, st louis, mo 


the majest tour.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
steve stoll - live
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

-djs:
-joey beltram
-mike dearborn
-skull
-echo

-stl house nation:
-phil decker
-mark buxton
-dino 
-luan


$17

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The reason I am doing presales for our May 30 , 1EARTH event in Memphis,TN. is
so we do not have to be holding alot of cash at the door. The other reasons I
decided to do a presale also was so it would make it quicker getting in , and
it gave us a chance to gauge our turnout...........By the way if anyone needs
tickets (printed by ticketmaster) for our event you can purchase them at
MILLENIUM RECORDS in Memphis 901-722-9698  or you can mail or them by cashers
check or money order through me @
David Lawson     203 Marjorie Cove    West Memphis,AR. 72301
tickets are $10.00 in advance or $15.00 @ the door
For info call 901-640-3777 or get a flyer or the latest issue of suishi
magazine

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On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, ~Koog~~Killer of Sheep...and Men~ wrote:

> Not that probably any of you were planning on going, but just so you know,
> Tribal Gathering, in the south of England has been cancelled this year due
> to licencing disagreements.  Just thought it was interesting.  It was one
> of the larger 'rave festivals' in the world...

Untrue...it was postponed till August. Its better known as "Universe 98"
You can find out more info at its website at:

http://www.universe.co.uk

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yes it is +8 doing the show....i received my mail from them the other
day.....  nice minimal flyer..small print as per +8 style.....   i still
dont fully understand what went on with m-nus & +8   *shrug*   maybe
matthew is listening????   

as for it being 25 dollars.......*shrug*   i honestly dont think it costs
that much to throw a party....unless they are doing something
REALLY_interesting...and from what i have seen/read they are not....   as
for the backup lineup...its definately more than adequate..if not
spectacular....   

btw  when you said "if your some little guy doing a show sure it may cost
a bit, but no where near what it costs for a VERY established company like
Plus8 to do a show."      ???????      if anything the opposite is
true......an established crew has more "hookups" ...and long term deals
with crews (flyers, sound, lighting, etc)...and usually the crews give a
better deal if you have been working with them for a long time....

anyways those are my pennies

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa


On Fri, 1 May 1998 nicholas@student.lansing.cc.mi.us wrote:

> Maybe, maybe nawt,
> 
> Doing this kind of stuff is not cheap, I know, I used to do shows. Maybe
> if your some little guy doing a show sure it may cost a bit, but no
> where near what it costs for a VERY established company like Plus8 to do
> a show. Every one knows who they are, and any one that has what Rich
> wants can try to jimmy around with him to as much cash as they can.
> Parties arn't cheap to throw, and you take a huge risk throwing them.
> That risk needs to have a reasonable return. Besides when has Rich ever
> set up a chincy show...uhm never.... :)
> 
> Of course all of what I wrote above is complete pooh, if it's not Rich
> and his Crew doing the show.
> 
> my 2cents,
> Brent Nicholas
> > 
> > but isn't $25 caving in?  does it REALLY cost that much for that lineup?
> > look at kiss the sky, look at stairway to headphones... where you could get
> > a ticket for less than $20 and have an awesome backup lineup as well.. and
> > i do NOT diss the backup lineup.. but think...
> > 
> > if it's a plus 8 party, they DON'T have to pay their djs as much (if at
> > all) as other promoters would.
> > 
> > so it SHOULD NOT be $25, is my point.
> > 
> > ::::::::::: jon/dica ::::::::::: jabraun@students.wisc.edu ::::::::::::::::
> > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> 


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Kids want "big names" these days, and those names are now charging 2-10
times as much as they used, because they are so in demand, plus  a lot of
kids are no longer satisfied with cheap sound and lighting...

the other big reason is greed, pure and simple.  next time you go to a
party that seems way over priced, multiplly the ticket price by the number
of people, and in a lot of cases, the promoters could have knocked off $5
each and still broken even, not to mention the parking money and water
money and candy money, etc. (and the substance money, some promoters
actually deal at their own parties if you can believe it).  As long as
poeple support promoters who rip them off, that's what they'll get.

Becky

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, OD wrote:

> Whats the word with Detroit? why are prices so high these days?
> I don't just mean in Detroit, what happened to the days of $7 at the door?
> 
> 
> OD
> 
> 


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Actually, you lose $5 per ticket(if that's how much less it is), and the
reality is that unless there is a surprise competing big party that night,
almost all of the people would have shown up anyway.  So basically its a
money loss to promoters (I know). 

2 reasons to do it though:
1.  It's a damn nice thing to do, that if people are willing to put forth
a bit of effort they can save some dough.
2.  All the cash isn't in one place, promoters HAVE gotten robbed
at parties before, and losing $10,000 or so would be devastating to
anyone, even the biggies I'd assume.

Becky

On Fri, 1 May 1998, Adam Leon Meadows wrote:

> 
> midwest,
> 
> All this talk about ticket prices.  Why do promoters offer presale tickets
> at cheaper prices than the door?  I can only guess it some how increases
> their revenues by ensuring people show up.  Or perhaps its a defense
> mechanism to complainers of high prices.  "Well you should have bought
> them three monthes in advance! Sorry!"
> 
> Any real reasons and not half assed theories (like mine above) would be
> the most appreciated.
> 
> Adam Meadows
> 
> 
> 
> 


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     Ahh man, kinder eggs were/are the bomb!  Some of those toys where way 
     cool.  No way where they 5 cents...  maybe 25 cents, but some of them 
     were just plain cool.  Plus good chocolate.
     
     My favs where the 5 cent little aligators, some of them skating, 
     whatnot...  but then again I like little kitsch toys.  And of course I 
     never tried to eat one, so I'm not to worried about choking hazards 
     for myself.


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Kinder eggs were a dissappointment for me, I had some while in France and 
they are this chocolate egg with a 5 cent plastic toy in the middle. 
(Choaking hazard) which is probably why they're only in 3rd world 
countries and not the us. :)
-Pat
     
/|/
o o
 >
 ~
     
     

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     So can you actually get kinder eggs in the states?  I have only gotten 
     them from france... 


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But that's the beauty of the Kinder Eggs!  Useless little toys that you 
can do silly things with, and possibly choke on!   My friends and I have 
developed an entire religion involving the monkey, egyptian, arab, king, 
and rocket toys.  They're great to take to parties to trip people out. 
It's all about sillyness, and perpetual childhood.
     
Luis
     
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Patrick Massey wrote:
     
> Kinder eggs were a dissappointment for me, I had some while in France and 
> they are this chocolate egg with a 5 cent plastic toy in the middle.
> (Choaking hazard) which is probably why they're only in 3rd world 
> countries and not the us. :)
> -Pat
> 
> /|/
> o o
>  >
>  ~
> 
> 
     

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     When I threw parties in NC we offered presale for following reasons:
     
     Get people in the door faster
     Allow out of state peps to know they have tixs -- it sucks to drive 8  
       hours and not get in...  which happened at our first party so we     
       learned :)
     Possibility to help with up-front costs, but it never really worked 
     that way.
     Also presale tixs work as a kind of advertisment


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midwest,
     
All this talk about ticket prices.  Why do promoters offer presale tickets 
at cheaper prices than the door?  I can only guess it some how increases 
their revenues by ensuring people show up.  Or perhaps its a defense 
mechanism to complainers of high prices.  "Well you should have bought them 
three monthes in advance! Sorry!"
     
Any real reasons and not half assed theories (like mine above) would be 
the most appreciated.
     
Adam Meadows
     
     
     

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Yeah, Look at MixMag live, completely done on a hard disk recorder. That is
REAl djing for ya!.....sheesh



>
>>--------------------------------------------
>>>it's a plus8 party.  i'm sure it will be worth 25 dollars if not more.
check
>>>out mix mag live,=20



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At 12:32 PM 5/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Yeah, Look at MixMag live, completely done on a hard disk recorder. That is
>REAl djing for ya!.....sheesh

if he wasn't just as technically perfect when i saw him live, once for 5
plus hours...i would agree with you...but i do believe that the digital
editing done after the fact on that was minimal...  i also wouldn't put it
past him to put together a live set like that (if he didn't when he mixed
the cd.)

now keoki on the other hand.....

if you haven't seen richie live, you should and you'd find out that he
actually IS a pretty good dj.  believe the hype.

peace, 
Chad

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There is a free house party tonight (Friday May 1st) in Champaign if any 
of you just happen to be driving through. Here's the lineup:

10  Anagram       (wierdtechno)

11  FiZ           (hardtechno)

12  Mark?         (bootyhouse)

1   Ryan Miller   (hardtechno)

2   VJ            (drumnbass)

3   Tetsuji Miwa  (hardtechno)

4   Dave J        (house)

If any of you trust my opinion, I can personally vouch that all DJs are 
excellent, except for Mark, whom I've never seen, and Anagram, 'cause 
it's his first time out of the bedroom. FiZ will hopefully have new 
tracks which should be coming today, like new Subhead and Christian 
Vogel, etc.

Sound and Lighting:

The sound will be the 808 Cali system. If you've heard it, you know it's 
loud and clean. It was used in the chill room at Zoikz. Hopefully the 
house will be dark, because that's the best way to have a party.

Directions:

If you're on 57, get off on 74 east. If your on 74, just stay on it until 
you see the Lincoln Avenue exit. This exit is in Urbana, near the east 
side of the Champaign-Urbana metropolis. Take Lincoln south. You'll pass 
some lights, and then you will see University Ave, which is a pretty big 
street. Take the first left after University, which is Clark. The address 
is 809, and it will be the 4th house on the right. Just park on the 
street somewhere. It may be difficult to find a spot.

Matt
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i agree totally here, except the caving in part....i think 25 is the cut
off.  
kiss the sky was 15, stairway was 20...but these people who replied that
were from detroit said that 25 was pretty much a normal price, and in their
mind a pretty fair price.  who knows, maybe the cost of living is higher
there?

it's like the beaten wife who divorces her husband then finds another man
who beats her as well, because she doesn't know any other way. maybe it's
not that serious, but if these people who replied think it's fair, isn't
plus8 & sons justified in charging that much?  i know i'd go, but if it was
more than 25 i wouldn't.  

i think its kind of odd though that a  4 day event costs the same as this
one...and richie's on both lineups.  i'll stick it out till then.

-Chad

>i've seen richie twice now, i know he's worth it.
>
>but isn't $25 caving in?  does it REALLY cost that much for that lineup?
>look at kiss the sky, look at stairway to headphones... where you could get
>a ticket for less than $20 and have an awesome backup lineup as well.. and
>i do NOT diss the backup lineup.. but think...
>
>if it's a plus 8 party, they DON'T have to pay their djs as much (if at
>all) as other promoters would.
>
>so it SHOULD NOT be $25, is my point.
>
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if you haven't seen richie live, you should and you'd find out that he
>>actually IS a pretty good dj.  believe the hype.
>>
>
>
>
>I have seen ritchie live twice, and I agree that he is a good dj. When he
played at spastik in the early morning I felt like I was at some club with
a dj who did not even know how to match beats, but when i saw him here he
was great and he payed for four hours because none of the other dj's showed
up. But I know first hand (well, technically second hand) that he did the
whole mixmage thing on a hard disk  because when he did that I was real
down with his crew and going to detroit a lot, and that was the big thing
that everyone was riding him about....
>
>no matter though....I agree that he is a good dj, but I just think he is
overrated....I would spend $25 to see q-bert or derrick carter or even King
Britt before i would spend that much on ritchie=20



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Once again....Updated for your pleasure....


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Roni Size, NoahPhex, BeatSeed, are just some of the phat additions...have
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> >no matter though....I agree that he is a good dj, but I just think he is
> overrated....
> 
> hey matter..!!!..
> 
> now they are comparing ritchie to you....=0)
> 
> j.love
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At 05:00 PM 4/30/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> $25?!?!?!?!?  presale?!??!?!
>> does this seem a bit ridiculous to anyone else?  sheeeit.
>For Detroit?  Not really... seems average.

well fuck detroit then....  a very similar party (kiss the sky - richie for
5 hrs with 909, etc) was $15 in wisconsin.

another party with richie playing for a long time is furthur.  your $25
gets you FOUR DAYS of music.

think about it.  save your money and see richie at furthur.

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On Fri, 1 May 1998, Chad Sponholz wrote:

> it's like the beaten wife who divorces her husband then finds another man
> who beats her as well, because she doesn't know any other way. maybe it's
> not that serious, but if these people who replied think it's fair, isn't
> plus8 & sons justified in charging that much?  i know i'd go, but if it was
> more than 25 i wouldn't.  

Following this analogy, the husband would be justified in beating his wife
because the wife takes the abuse?  

I think not.

Promoters should not be justified in overcharging just because people are
stupid enough to pay the outlandish price.  We need to set good examples
and educate others.  Don't go to these over priced parties!  

-Peggy

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>i agree totally here, except the caving in part....i think 25 is the cut
off.  
>kiss the sky was 15, stairway was 20...but these people who replied that
>were from detroit said that 25 was pretty much a normal price, and in their
>mind a pretty fair price.  who knows, maybe the cost of living is higher
>there?

remember when the cutoff was $10 or $12?

i'm still going to maintain.  that's bullshit.  that party should NOT be
$25.  mixmag live is good.  i have it.  that doesn't change the problem
with this price.  hooray if you think you can defend the price.  my
sympathies.

you're not being part of the solution.

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:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::: "make some noise if you can even see us!" -- the mc rumble @ zoiks :::

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DAMN... I have yet to hear his Blunted Boy Wonder LP (or the e.p. with the
Cari Lekebusch/Aux88 remixes), but I'd love to catch this show... What are
the
other dates/ locations for this tour? Can anybody give me the lo-down on how
his new works sound (in comparison to his others, which always had good
patterns that never really evolved into anything).

Thanx,

                    o0o[qiB.]o0o


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Subject: the majesty tour.


>that girl productions (314-995-9518)
>may 16, st louis, mo
>
>
>the majest tour.
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>steve stoll - live
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>-djs:
>-joey beltram
>-mike dearborn
>-skull
>-echo
>
>-stl house nation:
>-phil decker
>-mark buxton
>-dino
>-luan
>
>
>$17




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>Following this analogy, the husband would be justified in beating his wife
>because the wife takes the abuse?  
>
>I think not.

my bad.... that was a terrible analogy on my part.  and after thinking
about it some more, the 25 dollar price does give non-detroit kids the
shaft.  the detroit kids just don't know they're getting the shaft. and so
they really aren't getting the shaft because they don't think they're
getting the shaft.

sort of like anal sex...some people dig it, some don't? but then again i'm
sure it doesn't give the detroit kids sexual pleasure...but i think you get
what i'm saying.  ohh and in this analogy plus8 would be doing the
ass-ramming...make no mistake about that.

so, to those kids who go, i'm saying you can see shit for cheaper...there's
a free tip to ya.  bitch at the promoters and don't go to their parties if
they are over $20 because they'll lower the price if enough peeps don't
show. and if you just happen to have that extra 5 bucks and you end up not
knowing what to do with it, you can always just send it my way if it makes
you feel more comfortable.

i guess i was kind of comparing the kids to the wife...and plus8 was just
there.. and ughh... 
my bad :)

sorry all,
Chad

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> so, to those kids who go, i'm saying you can see shit for
> cheaper...there's
> a free tip to ya.  
> 
yeah...just look in the toilet after you get done moving your bowels....=0)

j "tryin' to be a funny guy" love


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After looking at the flyers i was handed in PA last weekend, I've come to
the conclusion that we are spoiled with party prices.  The average saturday
night party costs in the range of $25-$40.  That's average.  And the
line-ups are about equivilent to the ones we see out here in terms of
talent.  Generally the parties out there have one or two out of state
headliners, and then the rest are local favorites(think the equivilent to
Danny the Wildchild, Traxx, Robert Armani, etc.)....I think that we in the
MW get the most for our money out of anywhere in the US.  True, smaller
cheaper parties can be thrown, but the big ones with the
out-of-state/nation talent are as good and cheaper than anywhere else.

=exit=
-adam-



At 01:09 PM 5/1/98 -0500, dica! wrote:
>>i agree totally here, except the caving in part....i think 25 is the cut
>off.  
>>kiss the sky was 15, stairway was 20...but these people who replied that
>>were from detroit said that 25 was pretty much a normal price, and in their
>>mind a pretty fair price.  who knows, maybe the cost of living is higher
>>there?
>
>remember when the cutoff was $10 or $12?
>
>i'm still going to maintain.  that's bullshit.  that party should NOT be
>$25.  mixmag live is good.  i have it.  that doesn't change the problem
>with this price.  hooray if you think you can defend the price.  my
>sympathies.
>
>you're not being part of the solution.
>
>::::::::::: jon/dica ::::::::::: jabraun@students.wisc.edu ::::::::::::::::
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>:rinsin' out every thurs. nite, 12-3am central time at http://www.msr.org :
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>:::: "make some noise if you can even see us!" -- the mc rumble @ zoiks :::
>
>

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Here is the final schedule for the Dynamic Groove Sound System @ Even
Furthur '98.

There is one slot open on Friday afternoon.  It seems most people won't
be there that early on Friday to fill it.  As of now, I am leaving it
open to allow for flexibility in the schedule.  All other slots are
filled.  If  we are allowed to operate the system after 11 pm, then we
will be accepting reservations at the site on a first come, first serve
basis, giving preference to DJs who haven't played elsewhere and/or are
known to have skills (IE: if you suck, don't bother, sorry).

ATTENTION: Everyone who has reserved a time slot - please review the
listings below and let me know immediately if there is a problem with
your time slot.  THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO CHANGE YOUR TIME SLOT. 
There is little flexibility left in the schedule.  I will try to
accommodate you if at all possible, but there may not be much I can do. 
If your slot can't be changed to fit your needs, without messing up
someone else's plans, then I suggest that you contact the DJ who has your
preferred slot and try to arrange a trade.  Be sure to notify me if you
switch time slots with someone.  If all else fails, I'm sure that some
slots will open up due to cancellations or "no-shows".  If you can't play
your scheduled slot, you will be given preference to fill any slots which
open up.

Ok here it is - let me know NOW if there are any problems - the _real_
final schedule will be posted tonight...

Friday
---
12 pm - Jay-C (Drum & Bass)
1 pm - Bob S. (Techno)
2 pm - open
3 pm - R-yn (Drum & Bass)
4 pm - Funky Diabetic (Electro/Acid House)
5 pm - Jace (House)
6 pm - Steven J (Trance & Techno)
7 pm - Steven Kaye (Trance & House)
8 pm - Johnsin (Drum & Bass)
9 pm - Mindrive (Techno/Trance/House)
10 pm - Dan Efex (Trance)

Saturday
---
12 pm - J-Sun (Ambient / Experimental)
1 pm - MikeyD (D&B/Experimental)
2 pm - Dica (Drum & Bass)
3 pm - Low Fidelity Index (Live Techno/Acid/D&B/Experimental)
4 pm - Invisible (Techno)
5 pm - Fiz (Techno)
6 pm - Ken & Karl Meier (Techno)
7 pm - Fishead (Gabber/Hardcore)
8 pm - Eye-D (Gabber/Hardcore)
9 pm - Tsar (Trance)
10 pm - Robb G. (Funky Breaks)

Sunday
---
12 pm - Kent Christopher (House)
1 pm - Dan X (House)
2 pm - Mindflux (Trance)
3 pm - David Siska (Techno)
4 pm - Art Vandelay (Speed Garage)
5 pm - Pretty Boy Netti (Drum & Bass)
6 pm - Deepstar (Drum & Bass)
7 pm - Mark Lancaster (D&B/Hardcore/Experimental)
8 pm - Casey Rice (Drum & Bass)
9 pm - Kid Entropy (Drum & Bass)
10 pm - Casper (Drum & Bass)

Thanks,
	Joe
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Subject: Re: 25 ducks..well i never.
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>remember when the cutoff was $10 or $12?

yes, and i remember when milk was a nickel.  it would take so much bitching
to get prices back down to those levels... it's not worth it to me. in
fact, i prefer it this way...hows that? i like having to pay at least 15
bucks for a party..it makes me watch my money and not rely on the scene for
my entertainment...makes me work harder for my money, makes me develop
other interests (or keep my other interests) because i can't go to every
party now.  makes me pay more attention and spend more time with my good
friends and family who aren't in anyway associated with raves.  alot of the
same people who are preaching p.l.u.r. don't experience that outside of the
rave scene wether it be with their family or in the way they deal with
people outside of their little clique.

I on the other hand....

>you're not being part of the solution.

i'm i a bad person for it?? am i part of the problem then? i'm not
supporting this party, i'm not defending it, i'm just sayin.
there, that ends the whole arguement...i'm just sayin.

i suppose the real reason i'd go for $25 bucks (if i was in detroit and all
other things being the way they are) is because i've never seen theorem
live... that would do it for me.

are you being part of the solution? if so, how can i be more like you? ohh
wait then i wouldn't be an individual, so i wouldn't be part of the
solution again.
in many posts you seem to have the "problems" all figured out, and you
point the finger in every which direction other than your own.  if you even
care that i'm not part of your solution to all that's wrong with the scene,
then you must be relying on other people to change it to your way of
liking.  and what exactly would satisfy you?  i submit that you don't even
know for sure...
or maybe it's that i just drop off the face of the earth, but that won't
happen.  and you pointing fingers surely doesn't accomplish anything.

i'm content with the way things are...i go to parties when they look good
and don't go when they look shitty.  i don't worry about the tweakers and
other miscellaneous people that you seem not to be able to stand because
they don't concern me.  
i suppose i shouldn't be going on like this, but your implication that i'm
a problem offended me. i've always done my part...i've always been me.  and
i'm not pointing any fingers, i think the scene is PLURFECT!

love,
Chad

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One more thing...

I apologize to anyone who wanted a spot on the system who was unable to
get one.  There were a couple of people who I may have talked to outside
of MW-Raves who expressed an interested in playing, who didn't get added
to the schedule because I didn't have a "hard copy" of their request. 
There were a few people who didn't find out about it until the last
minute who also missed out.  

If you are not on the schedule and you would like to play, please stop by
the system some time during the event.  You may be able to get a spot if
someone doesn't show up, you may be able to share a slot with someone
(tag team), or I may be able to make some other sort of arrangement.  I
will do what I can to accommodate you.

Thanks,
	Joe
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help?
is anybody from chicago (other than toastman who won't get a hold of
me!!!!!!!!! hello!!! :P) going to madison for the day rave?  and have room
in their car for one more person?  cuz my train only goes from detroit to
chicago, and even tho i *could* take a bus from there to madison, my
spoiled ass doesn't really feel like spending 10+ hrs on public
transportation.  so, any takers?

**doris**





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>But I know first hand (well, technically second hand) that he did the
>whole mixmage thing on a hard disk  because when he did that I was real
>down with his crew and going to detroit a lot, and that was the big thing
>that everyone was riding him about....


I think this is a moot point aways, mainly due to the fact that this cd was
primarily
shit (good trax, but the mixing was abysmal in places).

I would classify myself in league with the majority of the other ritchie
fanatics
around here, but I would never travel more than 1 hour to see him spin EVER
again.
The last time I was motivated to move a great distance by his name alone was
for the Jacks Back party in Detroit, and even though his programming and
beat
matching were on par with excellence, it one of the worst experiences in my
life..

Always take into account that (due to his enigmatic pseudonym and recent
seclusion
from the Midwest) people that love him will travel VERY VERY far and wide to
experience anything with his name attached to it... and there are ALOT of
them.
Does anybody remember the Milwaukee FUK tour fiasco (thankfully I skipped
that,
twas still recovering from Heartland in Indianapolis;).. Jacks Back seemed
about as
bad... the fucking club in which they threw the party was packed at lest 300
over
capacity (if not ALOT more)... I could barely make it into the mainroom do
to
extreme number of people that came out for this...

Anywayz, his set was bomb... although I will amit that, if you like tricks,
it could
be kind of boring at times, thankfully I can give respect either way
(my ex-girlfriend, who also spun back then and tricked it
with the best of them, whined incessantly that he blew 'cause he never did a
backspin or cut a record... I loved it for exactly the same reason ;)...

Whelp... Enough of my ritchie bitching, when all is said and done, he
strikes me
as a rather chill kid... I've only spoken with him a few times but he seemed
rather
receptive to our chat..

Oh and, btw- is he playing LIVE at furthur??? if so, I AM THERE....

later,

o0o[qiB.]o0o


>
>no matter though....I agree that he is a good dj, but I just think he is
overrated....I would spend $25 to see q-bert or derrick carter or even King
Britt before i would spend that much on ritchie



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hey!  I want a kinder egg!!  I had totally never heard of them before,
but they sound fun!! :P

kisses, 
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     Wonder if I can say this without getting in trouble :) ? :(
     
     -=-=-=-
     Cover yourself in chocolate, you'd make a lovely kinder egg.
     
     Chocolate treat with a suprise in the center.  This kinder egg would 
     definately be worth more then 5 cents :)
     
     Maybe we should all go as kinder eggs to Further????
     -=-=-=-
     
     -Giles
     
     
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     hey!  I want a kinder egg!!  I had totally never heard of them before, 
     but they sound fun!! :P
     
     kisses, 
     jessica/jes c.
     
     *+*have a beautiful day!!!*+*

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Ok, I just got off the phone with Kurt from DBN.  The secondary sound
systems have to be shut off at 10:30 (technically 11, but there's a 1/2
hour buffer).  So that means that everyone's sets will be pushed back 1/2
hour.  The sound system will be turned on at 11:30am and will shut off at
10:30pm.  The final schedule posting will take this into account and will
be posted tonight.  Look for flyers this weekend and leading up to the
event.

Thanks,
	Joe
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>remember when the cutoff was $10 or $12?


Then why don't you go and do a good party for that much? Why wait
to be spoon fed a radical audio visual experience when you could be
out there  "keepin it real", instead of just bitching about all of this..
I would do the same myself, but I'd rather take the cheaper, more
sensible route of just not going to these parties and
playing with my gear down in a friends basement..

Price isn't the problem, it is the quality for the price that should be
questioned...
I'd pay $300 for a party, if the duration/ line-up warranted it... ohh
well...

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    - -----------
whelp.. chatting with you has been fun, but I guess I need to get
back ta smearing this peanut butter all over my body ("Here sparky... here
boy..").

later,

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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>Then why don't you go and do a good party for that much? Why wait
>to be spoon fed a radical audio visual experience when you could be
>out there  "keepin it real", instead of just bitching about all of this..
>I would do the same myself, but I'd rather take the cheaper, more
>sensible route of just not going to these parties and
>playing with my gear down in a friends basement..
>
Sorry, I gotta jump in now. Why is it cheaper and more sensible to play 
with gear in your friend's basement? Sure it's fun, but I've been playing 
with gear for a few years now, and it really doesn't go anywhere. I don't 
know what the point of music for you is, but I can better express my 
views of the world through music than words. As can be seen by my 
not-so-great verbal communication skills. Anyways, I believe that unless 
someone else is listening to your music and getting something from it, 
you might as well spend all your time watching TV, because you haven't 
done anything that matters. As for cheaper, if you have a 
house/apartment, whatever, you can throw a fucking party for FREE. 
Tables, mixer, your home stereo, can all be borrowed. Local DJs are 
willing to spin for nothing. You might even be able to get a live pa. You 
can get any kind of wierd performers. Bring in a band. Etc. Etc. Etc. 
There are hundreds of acts who are desperate to express themselves in 
some forum, and there are thousands of people who want to hear them. You 
just need to setup that forum, and get the word out. Who cares if only 25 
people show up, just as long as that one person comes up to you and says, 
"I had a good time. Who's this performer over here? Can I get a tape? How 
do I get involved?" And you can't make that kind of difference by hiding 
in your basement. This is not a personal attack, I just want to make 
people think about how they can DIThemselves.

>Price isn't the problem, it is the quality for the price that should be
>questioned...
>I'd pay $300 for a party, if the duration/ line-up warranted it... ohh
>well...
>
I can't think of any party that is worth that much. Of course, if there 
was only 1 party a year, I might pay $300 to go to. But as it stands, 
there's just too much great, unrecognized music out there to go spending 
fat wads of cash on long road trips to see big names.

Matt

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>Kinder eggs were a dissappointment for me, I had some while in France and
>they are this chocolate egg with a 5 cent plastic toy in the middle.
>(Choaking hazard) which is probably why they're only in 3rd world
>countries and not the us. :)

haha, france is SOOOOO third world, yo.

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>Murray described the rave, officially billed as an
>"International Music Conference," as wild, with throngs of
>teen-agers slamming into each other as a live band pelted out
>alternative music. She and her crew treated four overdose
>patients.

sounds like they were there at the music.

i mean, isn't a rave all about metallica and moshing?

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> At 05:00 PM 4/30/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >> $25?!?!?!?!?  presale?!??!?!
> >> does this seem a bit ridiculous to anyone else?  sheeeit.
> >For Detroit?  Not really... seems average.
>
> well fuck detroit then....  a very similar party (kiss the sky - richie for
> 5 hrs with 909, etc) was $15 in wisconsin.
>
> another party with richie playing for a long time is furthur.  your $25
> gets you FOUR DAYS of music.
>
> think about it.  save your money and see richie at furthur.


i've kept my mouth shut up to this point. not wanting to say anything but
ahwell. can't do it anymore. anyway. i understand that it's an expensive party
but have you guys have thought that it might be worth it? for as long as richie
has been throwin' parties he has never,imo been in it for the money.  don't get
me wrong. i'm sure he makes money off of his events but he's never been greedy
nor charged obscene amounts of money for a party that wasn't worth it, money
wise that is. now you all are sayin' that he has spun for parties where it was
cheaper. true. but does that mean that "event" will live up to this "event"?
this is richie's own event. i'm sure he doesn't have to pay himself much. :)
but there are many other costs to a party besides dj's. what also must be
thought about is the size of the party...as tosh mentioned in a previous
post(nawt sure if it made it to mw-raves or was it just to 313 or maybe just
events listing) but this is an "event".  "it will be the milestone by which our
future parties will be measured, an extreme sensory experience.  I cannot
stress enough, that if techno and technology excite you, then attend." --tosh.
don't know if this is too much info i am dispersing but ahwell. i have been
told that this party is the most expensive party that plus8 has ever done.
those who know plus8 and their events know that they are off the hook.
personally, i'd throw 25 bucks down for this party just to see what the hype is
all about..mind you that's not why i'm goin'...i duno. i guess i'm just the
outcast here in the land of ppl who believe that plus8 is in it strictly to
make BIG bucks on this party. i duno...i just have a l'il more faith than that
in them...i believe that this event will be more than just about music. but
rather an "experience". a "trip". a multi-media "event". i duno...i already
know that i'm goin' to get flamed left and right about this post but ahwell. i
had to say it. :) those we wish to reply, reply privately plz. unless you feel
that you have something to say that the whole list needs to hear....

more than willing to fork over whatever for this event...and anticipating this
event with bells on...

mikey...


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        I couldn't agree more, for my birthday 
this year, me and my roommate played for like 4 
people in a garage, and it was one of the funnest 
nights of my life.  I don't believe that you have 
to be creating music for other people in order for 
it to be worthwhile.  I make music for myself 
first, and if other people like it, great!  Shouts 
out to all the basement programmers ( and DJ's) 
out there!


        E




>
Sorry, I gotta jump in now. Why is it cheaper and more sensible to play 
with gear in your friend's basement? Sure it's fun, but I've been playing 
with gear for a few years now, and it really doesn't go anywhere. I don't 
know what the point of music for you is, but I can better express my 
views of the world through music than words. As can be seen by my 
not-so-great verbal communication skills. Anyways, I believe that unless 
someone else is listening to your music and getting something from it, 
you might as well spend all your time watching TV, because you haven't 
done anything that matters. As for cheaper, if you have a 
house/apartment, whatever, you can throw a fucking party for FREE. 
Tables, mixer, your home stereo, can all be borrowed. Local DJs are 
willing to spin for nothing. You might even be able to get a live pa. You 
can get any kind of wierd performers. Bring in a band. Etc. Etc. Etc. 
There are hundreds of acts who are desperate to express themselves in 
some forum, and there are thousands of people who want to hear them. You 
just need to setup that forum, and get the word out. Who cares if only 25 
people show up, just as long as that one person comes up to you and says, 
"I had a good time. Who's this performer over here? Can I get a tape? How 
do I get involved?" And you can't make that kind of difference by hiding 
in your basement. This is not a personal attack, I just want to make 
people think about how they can DIThemselves.
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Hi,
I had one of my newer school friends ask me.... what do they mean with
RESPECT??? My friend understood the idea of Peace, Love, Unity... but he
didn't get the RESPECT part. I can totally understand how a new schooler today
would not understand that. You see, when the word PLUR first started up in the
Rave scene, there were LOTS of different types of people in the scene. and a
larger age range. including tons of openly homosexual people, and people who
dressed crazy. Like a lot of people used to wear funky wigs, wear tripped out
costumes, funky collars, spiked wristbands, nerdy looking shirts, and a lot of
people were into glitter. And there were also people who proudly wore tight
pants and normal shirts without feeling out of place. Respect means respect
for people's individuality and freedom of opinion and expression. Having an
open mind. Something lacking today. That was back in the day when "RAVERS"
didn't have an image. Back then, being a "raver" had nothing to do with baggy
pants, wallet chains, polo, Tommy hilfinger, nautica, addidas, or Untitled and
Level. You wore whatever you wanted to wear. We were all full "ravers" back
then. But being a "raver" was based on what you were on the inside, not on
your looks. What really mattered was how you treated people. It came from the
heart.
- try to keep the Respect and the meaning alive. (at parties and everyday)

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Does anyone know how much Kraftwerk tickets cost for the Riviera show in
Chicago?  


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Naveen Gumpeni/Fingaz
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Music is our salvation, a common love we all share.
The rhythm unites our hearts and souls as one.
Together, we create a positive vibe for each other,
a gift greater than words could express...
	It is not just a passing feeling.
	More than just a party,
	It's being real...it's being human.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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i tend to look over the p and u and r...not because i don't believe in them, but because if you experience love and share that experience with others (i'm talking the realest, truest sense of the word)peace, unity and respect would follow.


i'm not saying everyone else should forget about, i'm just sayin'.  it's like saying love, love, love, and love.

peace unity and respect are born initially from love and if you take it one step further and become love in every sense of the word, there's no way these things cannot follow.


i gotta go...i'm about to "experience love" hehe and it's getting hard to concentrate.


love,

Chad




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"Dude! a huge rat just checked out your leg!" - Greg

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okie d-troit kidz, here's the solar lineup for may.
cost this month is $25.  just kiddin :P

may 6--studio !K7 night
*mike servito  (house)
*ariel  (house)
*nichi  (funky house)

(sheesh, ya think that's enuff house for one nite?)


may 13
*rotator  (jungle)
*bmg  (techno house)
*godfather  (bootay)

may 20--astralwerks
*punisher  (jungle & techno)
*eclipse  (techno house)
*t.c.wu  (house)

may 27
*recoil  (techno)
*ground zero  (jungle on 3 tables)
*extra special guest

of course, add *disco d to all of those cuz he's our superstar resident dj

rest is as usual, 18+, 734.913.9738, bla bla bla.....

i won't be around for any of those but i hope y'all have fun anyway, party
it up for me kidz!  *sniff*  grr, missin rotator...that one's gonna kill
me!!
ok i'll shut up now, have fun without me
**doris**



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On Fri, 1 May 1998, Chad Sponholz wrote:

> 
> i gotta go...i'm about to "experience love" hehe and it's getting hard
> to concentrate. 

	Thanks for sharing, dear.  My night was made.


Luis =]


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Hey, I need to get ahold of MikeyD....anyone have his new phone number?
Mail me privately please...or Mikey...call me!

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From: Saru Otoko <SaruTaro@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: monkey attack directions

                yes m' Saturday May 2nd...this Saturday

We got a happen' line up of....

*Acid Pimp...Big Dog from Detroit...lays down kick ass acid
Chesire records

*Mint..guy who plays on WRFL a lot...experimental and house..
I told him to lean more on house side..he's been here for a while and has skillz

*Matt Bandy..Detroit techno style and house..good clean DJ

*Madatr & Wiseman tag...darkstep and techstep tag team
gonna be some mean jungle/drum and bass

*Paradox..best Hip Hop Dj of lexington..goin' first

*Monkey Boy..Layn' down booty spankn' house (combo of booty house and hard
house)
keep ya hoes in check

*Abraxas..this guy has like 12 of his own records..been around the
world..slams Hard Miami House

Starts at 10:00pm... $6 before 12:00am $8 after
$1 off if ya bring a stuffed animal monkey...(yes you get to keep yer monkey)
Plez be early so we can get the party off to a good start
Silly people last time showed up a 10:00 on the mark and expected a freakn'
party in a can....It will be slamn' but damn...tell people to wait and hang
out there for a mere 30 min.

I can assure you this since Monkey Madness went well...and this one will be
bigger :)

info line 606-cow-shit

directions from north

get to junction of 64 or 75 were they meet turn on exit 115..take a right on
route 4 New cirlce road exit before bridge.  Take 2nd Versails road exit
towards town.. 3rd light should be Village drive...take a left there...KFC
and Long John Silver's are on the corner. Pucket & Associates' sign should
be vissible were thus the party is going to be thrown at...next to a bar and
a Mexican grocery.

1414 Village Dr.


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directions to the day rave will be up at the dbn web site tomorrow morning:

http://www.execpc.com/~dropbass



-nyx

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I just wanted to remind you all in the vicinity of Omaha  that FREE DANK
is taking place tomorrow!!!!


For directions call 522-3604






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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:24:48 -0500
From: Eric Stiens <estiens@macalester.edu>
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Well...one of my friends just forwarded me this..It's the text of a
flyer that two of his friends have been passing out at Chi-Town
raves...they've passed out about 700 so far and will continue to do
so...funny, something I've been talking about doing for a while but
never quite got around to...makes me wonder...how many other things
haven't I got around to doing lately..anyway, enjoy!! If you want to
send them any comments/criticisms/questions/flames pleeze email me and
I'll forward them on...otherwise, give them a call...yes, those are home
phone numbers....

PeaceLovePowerMagick
Eric

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Eric Stiens    (estiens@macalester.edu)
http://www.macalester.edu/~estiens/index.html

"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution"
    -Emma Goldman-

-------------------
-------------------

Feel like something is missing?  If this is the case than something
probably
is. It's all about feeling in the first place.  The scene is the vibe.
The
vibe is love.  Love is sharing.  What's the first thing you learned in
kindergaten: share.  It's as simple as sharing your water and as
complicated
as the unconditional sharing of your entire being.  Give yourself to
another.  Every little bit counts.  We need to stop looking inward to
ourselves and start looking outward to others.  Are we going to sucumb
to
the greed, laziness, and apathy of the society we are trying to escape
in
the first place?  There is an easy way to avoid this.  Share.  Share
yourselves.  Look people in the eye when you dance, hug people you don't

even know, huddle at the end of parties, give someone props for being a
good
dancer, etc...  Now stop bitchin', get off your asses and don't just
dance,
dance with each other.  And don't just dance with each other either,
dance
with everything...

  LongHaul Productions
  Kyle Irwin - 773.525.8669 (not an info line)
  Tom D'Angelo - 773.687.1640 (also not an info line)



       PEOPLE AND THINGS

The music lays down colors
A small set of footprints
A cold pair of hands
Gliding away...
Endless legs beneath a white gown
And now I dance
Begin to drown...
A glowing red hiding beneath a yellow hat
Her face
Green and dripping
A crying black mess of emotions
A skinny yuppy with a black pony tail barks at me
He's selling garbage
He turns away when I do not respond
Painted barbie dolls trip over their "big" shoes
Phat pants, uneven and torn, dirty from basement floors
Wife beaters and leather jackets
A gentle light blue gay boy and a gentler homophobic b-boy
Fat-Cellulite-Blondes
A long chrome cylinder
Preteen girls jewelry
Relaxed, laying back and wearing glasses now
A young man takes a puff of his cigarette and assures me
everything is going to be fine
There they are...
All shiny and holding hands
Emotionless
-A dumb intoxicating stare-
Held between me and some young girl
Infinitely acting the part of someone much older
Floating through a littered stairwell
Last weekend lying all over the floor
Someone bitching into my ear about how parties "used" to be
I drop my pen
Everyone bitches...
None of it changes when you dance with your head down.

  -more poems- Tommy D. - 773.687.1640 (home phone, not an info line)
   LongHaul Productions



    SHE

She's starting to get the shakes.
Getting sick.
She needs someone to hold her.
Frail, weak and crying
We all laugh as the game continues.
She droops her head to sigh, begins to cry
Fingertips glide slowly off ivory white keys
Head drifting back...
She can't turn around in time to see who is touching her.
She doesn't want anymore of their drugs
They begin to dance around her in a circle
Electric horses
"I can't go to sleep tonight" she says to herself
She says lots of things when she gets like this
She fades
Grows very cold
She fills her body with pills
And it is only at this point that she begins to enjoy the music
Rhythmic flowing of drum beats across a well lit sky
Orange and purple
Fading in and out to watch her dance
Fast
Faster
Olive skin
Arms floating
Teasing
She spins in and out, around...
Her hands desperately grasping at a blowing wind, a hidden lover,
something invisible...
Desperately she contorts her muscles
Kicking forward
Searching once again
Flowing through her...
...Something invisible
She looks for something she cannot see...
...She can't stop her head from spinning
No one will look at her
She's trying, but no one will look
-Soft gentle cries for help, the kind no one listen to.

   -more poems- Tommy D. - 773.687.1640 (home phone)
    LongHaul Productions



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Hey Eric,
  Tom D and this other friend of mine, Kyle, wrote and distributed about 700
of these flyers with poems on them at a party here in Chicago a couple weeks
ago. They are going to continue doing this to try to get there message/vibe
out and spread. So, aside from just sharing these with you for your
enjoyment, I was hoping you could forward the lower chunk of this letter to
those various netrave things you associate yourself with. Thanks. Talk to
you later.

forward from here down please
--------------------------------------------

Feel like something is missing?  If this is the case than something probably
is. It's all about feeling in the first place.  The scene is the vibe.  The
vibe is love.  Love is sharing.  What's the first thing you learned in
kindergaten: share.  It's as simple as sharing your water and as complicated
as the unconditional sharing of your entire being.  Give yourself to
another.  Every little bit counts.  We need to stop looking inward to
ourselves and start looking outward to others.  Are we going to sucumb to
the greed, laziness, and apathy of the society we are trying to escape in
the first place?  There is an easy way to avoid this.  Share.  Share
yourselves.  Look people in the eye when you dance, hug people you don't
even know, huddle at the end of parties, give someone props for being a good
dancer, etc...  Now stop bitchin', get off your asses and don't just dance,
dance with each other.  And don't just dance with each other either, dance
with everything...

  LongHaul Productions
  Kyle Irwin - 773.525.8669 (not an info line)
  Tom D'Angelo - 773.687.1640 (also not an info line)



       PEOPLE AND THINGS

The music lays down colors
A small set of footprints
A cold pair of hands
Gliding away...
Endless legs beneath a white gown
And now I dance
Begin to drown...
A glowing red hiding beneath a yellow hat
Her face
Green and dripping
A crying black mess of emotions
A skinny yuppy with a black pony tail barks at me
He's selling garbage
He turns away when I do not respond
Painted barbie dolls trip over their "big" shoes
Phat pants, uneven and torn, dirty from basement floors
Wife beaters and leather jackets
A gentle light blue gay boy and a gentler homophobic b-boy
Fat-Cellulite-Blondes
A long chrome cylinder
Preteen girls jewelry
Relaxed, laying back and wearing glasses now
A young man takes a puff of his cigarette and assures me
everything is going to be fine
There they are...
All shiny and holding hands
Emotionless
-A dumb intoxicating stare-
Held between me and some young girl
Infinitely acting the part of someone much older
Floating through a littered stairwell
Last weekend lying all over the floor
Someone bitching into my ear about how parties "used" to be
I drop my pen
Everyone bitches...
None of it changes when you dance with your head down.

  -more poems- Tommy D. - 773.687.1640 (home phone, not an info line)
   LongHaul Productions 



    SHE

She's starting to get the shakes.
Getting sick.
She needs someone to hold her.
Frail, weak and crying
We all laugh as the game continues.
She droops her head to sigh, begins to cry
Fingertips glide slowly off ivory white keys
Head drifting back...
She can't turn around in time to see who is touching her.
She doesn't want anymore of their drugs
They begin to dance around her in a circle
Electric horses
"I can't go to sleep tonight" she says to herself
She says lots of things when she gets like this
She fades
Grows very cold
She fills her body with pills
And it is only at this point that she begins to enjoy the music
Rhythmic flowing of drum beats across a well lit sky
Orange and purple
Fading in and out to watch her dance
Fast
Faster
Olive skin
Arms floating
Teasing
She spins in and out, around...
Her hands desperately grasping at a blowing wind, a hidden lover,
something invisible...
Desperately she contorts her muscles
Kicking forward
Searching once again
Flowing through her...
...Something invisible
She looks for something she cannot see...
...She can't stop her head from spinning
No one will look at her
She's trying, but no one will look
-Soft gentle cries for help, the kind no one listen to.

   -more poems- Tommy D. - 773.687.1640 (home phone)
    LongHaul Productions


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>Ok here it is - let me know NOW if there are any problems - the _real_
>final schedule will be posted tonight...
>
>Friday
>---
>12 pm - Jay-C (Drum & Bass)
>1 pm - Bob S. (Techno)
>2 pm - open
>3 pm - R-yn (Drum & Bass)
>4 pm - Funky Diabetic (Electro/Acid House)
>5 pm - Jace (House)
>6 pm - Steven J (Trance & Techno)
>7 pm - Steven Kaye (Trance & House)
>8 pm - Johnsin (Drum & Bass)
>9 pm - Mindrive (Techno/Trance/House)
>10 pm - Dan Efex (Trance)  <---------------nuh uh...teKno :p

-d

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oh, what were we talking about anyways...?

~>What lies ahead: ( april & ahead )       
may 2nd		*milwaukee, WI
may 9th		  baltimore, MD
may 15th		*fort Wayne, IN
may 16th		*central WI area
may 22nd		*denver, co  (moved from 4/24)
may 29th-june 1st	 even furthur furthur furthur   *yeah baby*
june 6th		*chicago, il
june 13th		 *los angeles, ca
july 4th		*omaha, NE
july 11th		  los angeles, ca   (:w/ dave clarke + derrik may --yEAh!--:)
july 18th or 25th	  nj/nyc
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Well, the rumors are floating around...  

no "bands" at mifflin street - but does that include DBN?
i've also heard other rumors of even nastier not-happening situations... 

at any rate we won't know until the thing actually happens.

but here's the deal - if the cops decide to crack down or whatever, we
(myself and dica) are probably going to host a little low-key get together
and spin records kinda deal at our house.  The important words in that last
sentence are LOW KEY.  we don't want a billion drunken fools at our house.
drunken fools are all good (i'll probably be a drunken fool myself) but a
lot of them is bad.

but let me get to the point:
if the cops (or whoever) crack down, call us.  (608) 286 - 8998 - we'll let
you know if we're going to have this thing.

this would also serve as a get-together before rite of spring for all those
planning to go to that.

anyone in madison with a sound system that consists of more than one 12"
home speaker wanna help out?

chris

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Doris wrote:

>cost this month is $25.  just kiddin :P
>

  (Laugh out loud)



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From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
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On 1 May 1998 ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:

Kinderueberraschung kommt aus Deutschland. Kinder ist das Wort fuer
"child" auf Deutsch...

Okay, for anyone who DOESN'T speak German, Kinder eggs come from Germany,
NOT France. The word Kinder means child in German. I can get them in bulk
during the winter whenever I want, because I have a wonderful
mother-in-law. =)

Kinder eggs are only sold from somehting like September through May in
Europe. I don't think they're availble for sale in the US.



>      So can you actually get kinder eggs in the states?  I have only gotten 
>      them from france... 
> 
> 
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Re: kinder eggs
> Author:  mw-raves-owner-ALAN.D.HUDSON=monsanto.com@hyperreal.org at INTERNET
> Date:    04/30/1998 11:22 PM
> 
> 
>      
> But that's the beauty of the Kinder Eggs!  Useless little toys that you 
> can do silly things with, and possibly choke on!   My friends and I have 
> developed an entire religion involving the monkey, egyptian, arab, king, 
> and rocket toys.  They're great to take to parties to trip people out. 
> It's all about sillyness, and perpetual childhood.
>      
> Luis
>      
> On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Patrick Massey wrote:
>      
> > Kinder eggs were a dissappointment for me, I had some while in France and 
> > they are this chocolate egg with a 5 cent plastic toy in the middle.
> > (Choaking hazard) which is probably why they're only in 3rd world 
> > countries and not the us. :)
> > -Pat
> > 
> > /|/
> > o o
> >  >
> >  ~
> > 
> > 
>      
> 

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

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> DAMN... I have yet to hear his Blunted Boy Wonder LP (or the e.p. with the
> Cari Lekebusch/Aux88 remixes), but I'd love to catch this show... What are
> the
> other dates/ locations for this?

I have the new Novamute Komplilation 2xCD and it features two SS/BBW
tracks, one of them ("Metropolis") from his new LP.  One's sorta'
buildy-tweaky, the other noisy-pounding (great descriptions, eh :) but
neither seem to do much or go anywhere, at least to my ears.

Another stop on the Majesty Records Tour is an event titled
"Forward" in Toronto on 5.30.09.  It features the Ram Records Tour
(Randall, Andy C, MC GQ, Shimon & Freedom), Fierce and Diesleboy in
addition to the Majesty freaks (Joey Beltram, Steve Stoll live, Mike
Dearborn, DJ Skull) and locals.

Of course you'll be at Furthur that weekend so it doesn't really
matter, but you can check www.phryl.com for details.  ;)



- Craig

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I am going to the "Free Dank" party tomorrow but am driving in from Des
Moines. I am hoping to find someone that is also going that would be willing
to meet as I don't know the Omaha area. You can e-mail a personal response
to godfoot@usa.net
I hope to hear from someone, I haven't been to a "good" rave in quite a
while.

Peace out!

Mike aka Flipper

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 02 05:52:05 1998
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hey kids, I just spoke to some friends from Columbus that made the trek
to this party and they gave me a different perspective on what was going
on..

#1) Water ran out for only 15 mins.. they didn't have problems buying
the shit all night long

#2) The crappy, popping speakers were in the jungle room only

#3) it was fun as hell and clean... they have been going to parties for at
lest 8
years and they said it really brought them back to the good ol days...

whelp.. I just got off work and don't wanna type anymore, so this is it...

enjoy,


            o0o[qiB.]o0o




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 02 06:07:49 1998
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On Fri, 1 May 1998, Sexy16942 wrote:


> I had one of my newer school friends ask me.... what do they mean with
> RESPECT??? My friend understood the idea of Peace, Love, Unity... but he
> - try to keep the Respect and the meaning alive. (at parties and everyday)


"IF YOU ONLY KNEW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE..."
-some crazy dude


We each go to raves for our own reasons...

Meadows, Adam


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 02 06:27:43 1998
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I say put som cotton in yer ears and fuck dem speakers! Hooo ha!

Ph

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 02 09:38:23 1998
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This is the final, official lineup for the...

D Y N A M IC     G R O O V E     S O U N D     S Y S T E M
              @ Even Furthur '98, May 29th - June 1st

Official Furthur Info / DBN: 414.256.1733
-----
Dynamic Groove: 414.777.DYNAMIC
E-Mail: dgroove@juno.com
www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik/furthur.html

Friday:
---
12:30 pm  Jay-C (Drum & Bass)
1:30 pm  Bob S. (Techno)
2:30 pm  R-yn (Drum & Bass)
3:30 pm  Funky Diabetic (Electro/Acid House)
4:30 pm  Jace (House)
5:30 pm  Steven J (Trance & Techno)
6:30 pm  Steven Kaye (Trance & House)
7:30 pm  Johnsin (Drum & Bass)
8:30 pm  Mindrive (Techno/House/Trance)
9:30 pm  Dan Efex (Techno & Trance)

Saturday:
---
11:30 am  J-Sun (Ambient/Experimental)
12:30 pm  MikeyD (D&B/Experimental)
1:30 pm  Dica (Drum & Bass)
2:30 pm  Pressboard (Live-Hard Acid Noise)
3:30 pm  DJ Invisible (Techno)
4:30 pm  Fiz (Techno)
5:30 pm  Ken & Karl Meier (Techno)
6:30 pm  Fishead (Gabber/Hardcore)
7:30 pm  Eye-D (Gabber/Hardcore)
8:30 pm  Tsar (Trance)
9:30 pm  Robb G. (Funky Breaks)

Sunday:
---
11:30 am  Kent Christopher (House)
12:30 pm  Dan X (House)
1:30 pm  Mindflux (Drum & Bass)
2:30 pm  David Siska (Techno)
3:30 pm  Art Vandelay (Speed Garage)
4:30 pm  Pretty Boy Netti (Drum & Bass)
5:30 pm  Deepstar (Drum & Bass)
6:30 pm  Mark Lancaster (D&B/Hardcore/Experimental)
7:30 pm  Casey Rice (Drum & Bass)
8:30 pm  Kid Entropy (Drum & Bass)
9:30 pm  Casper (Drum & Bass)  


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 02 13:04:00 1998
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i thought some of you would get a fucking kick outta this   *snicker*
for entertainment purposes only...so dont get your panties in a bunch.

-mikeyD

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> >Techno Pranksters turn up the volume.  The time is upon us.  For the
> >fifth consecutive year the magical joyride is taking place.  Together
> we
> >gather on the bus, making our beautiful music, returning to the
> source
> >in an electric land on the other side.  Experience the bliss of our
> >precious moments celebrating the flowering of summer and our culture.
> >
>
> barf.
>
> (give me a break)

(please read in 'surf dude' accent...)
hey wells dood... i mean come on man, are you like... on the bus...
or off the bus man? cos its sounding to me like youre totally...
off the bus maaaan......


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 02 15:40:30 1998
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I just went to TicketMaster, and they said the concert's on June 10 @ 8pm.
Tickets are $27.50 sans the screw-you service charge.

June 10...can someone verify this?

Amene
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 02 16:40:13 1998
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Something I thought was really interesting going on in England today,
Creamfields. I didn't realize this was today, but it looks amazing! 

http://www.cream.co.uk/creamfields/creamfield.htm

Their site has all the info, but it's sponsored by MTV, Bud Ice, Muzik,
etc. Interesting sponsors. They have TONS of really great acts
performing. It just kind of blew me away and I thought I'd let everyone
know.

-ben / DJ Elroy

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat May 02 17:52:40 1998
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Alright everybody....tonight once again LeveL 9.0 Productions is bringin
you a live feed from our Toronto studios. 

Tune in at 9 PM EST to lissen to the best in breakz and stompy shit
brought to you LIVE by DJ NoKtUrNaL. In order to access the broadcast,
please go to http://level9.simplenet.com and follow the links to the Real
Audio page where it will tell you all the instructions.


If ya have any questions about LeveL 9.0 DJ's or any other info, plz email
me or nokturnal@georgian.net

Misha


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Hey all! I have an Akai MPC2000 for sale. Specs include 16 RAM, SCSI Syquest
EZ-135 Drive. Asking $1100 for this beauty.Paid $1600 Great for live gigs,
or studio production. Studio use only. Brand new. Will trade for EMU ESI
4000. E-mail me with an offer or trade. I have original packaging and
manual. This is a great machine. =D Peace out!

                                                        vinny








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In a message dated 98-05-02 14:59:18 EDT, you write:

<< << Something I thought was really interesting going on in England today,
  Creamfields. I didn't realize this was today, but it looks amazing! 
  
  http://www.cream.co.uk/creamfields/creamfield.htm
  
  Their site has all the info, but it's sponsored by MTV, Bud Ice, Muzik,
  etc. Interesting sponsors. They have TONS of really great acts
  performing. It just kind of blew me away and I thought I'd let everyone
  know. >>
 
 Seeing a Party like this, or lets just go all out and say rave, just makes me
so envious, and jealous.... I have to live in the US Fuckin of A and not
overseas.  Man why the hell can't we throw a party like 
<A HREF="http://www.cream.co.uk/creamfields/creamfield.htm">CREAMFIELDS</A>
for like how much they are charging, and with as much destined success as that
will have.  It is only 37.50 British Pounds which may seem a lot but hell it
has 9 areas of continuous music, last for nearly 24 hours, and also has
detailed directions, etc.
 
 Not to totally diss the US, but boieees and girls we need to go back to our
roots, and show people we know how to rave, and show people what the true
essence of RAVE really is, we have dilluted ourselves to a week nation, and
week rave scene to oriented, and obsessed by money, and saying he or she is a
sellout whatever... FUck Political Correctness for a minute, and lets throw a
HUGE fuckin party the like of which no one in the states has ever seen.  I am
talking bout bigger then Zoolu, Zen, April Foolz 2 , the Interstellar Outback
series, Technosauras series, the Family Affair series, or even my buddies
parties called Usuaya.
 
 Unite the Scene for the comon good of it, and lets blow up, and show what the
US is capable of... this is not just talk!!!!!
 
 For anyone seriously interested in helping out with this call me at
(606)224-9551, email me at DJ Thrilla@AOL.COM, DJTHRILLA@JUNO.COM, Or reply to
me from here, and lets get started on utting together what the people who make
the rave scene wanna see, and fuck anyone who thinks I am going commercial...
fuck all that!
 
 We need more of what used to ad should still make up the seen it is called
PLUR... Peace Love Understanding and Respect!!! Do we really fully act on what
we quote so much?  Let us unite, old skoolers, new skoolers alike, and those
who don't evenknow yet, lets educate the populous of what Rave is and get back
our scene to the glory t was at one time, what seems oh so long ago.
 
 I Am serious although not really to the point in this mail, so PLEASE for
anyone who wants to help please contact me, my name is Jared Seymour, and I
know there are many of u like myself out there sick of seeing the scene
crumble, and fall down because of multiple reasons, so lets quit talking, and
help me and others to reverse the bad trend and brinback the Love, and whole
meaning of PLUR!!!
 
 Thanks for listening to me!
 One love
 PLUR
 Jared >>

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You can, however, get them in Canada no problem.  At least in Toronto.

On Fri, 1 May 1998, Becky Wangenheim wrote:

> Kinder eggs are only sold from somehting like September through May in
> Europe. I don't think they're availble for sale in the US.
> 
> 

Luis


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My sentiments exactly.  Nothing like hugging a bassbin.
Luis

On Sat, 2 May 1998, PHILFART wrote:

> I say put som cotton in yer ears and fuck dem speakers! Hooo ha!
> 
> Ph
> 


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so has anyone else seen this chocolate factory tour hit your city?


hey st louis, i hope the choco factory party tonight will be much better
than the one other party that i have been to since i moved here from dc a
month ago.  that one was one of the worst raves that i had ever been to in
the past 5 yrs!  it was like some high school dance in a skating rink.  this
"rave" that was headlined by danny the wildchild and it pretty much taught
me how NOT to throw a party.  there were more people there with all access
badges around their necks than there were without.  i think even a couple of
them had all of their past ski lift tix on their jax.  ill give props to the
smoke machine (when it was on), and the d/b was pleasantly surprising until
an mc chanted "are all da bitches in da house?!".  it was a good thing that
there wasnt anye going around for me to have a spoiled roll.

it is good to see that those promoters are not throwing tonights party.  i
have a feeling that that was just a bad first impression.  i mean, we are
really blessed to be graced by joeski and onionz.  every single time that i
have seen them, they have never let me down.  i can only imagine how much
more they have evolved since i saw them new years.  also check out sameer:
definitely a crowd pleaser.  we are in for a ride tonight.  i am happy to
see a scene here that only charges $15 at the door for lip smackin'-("you
can damn near feel the polyester on your ass")-house. now thats mf cool.  so
shouts out to whoever "That Girl" is.....'support is the only way this scene
will survive'.  see ya there, sl.  go blues.  plur, etc.

(maybe it should be SPLUR instead.  S is for safety dance.  dont die from
kidney failure and wind up in the ny times like that poor kid did in the
Poconos.)

peace, aaron









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Hay peeps....we are bringin your more live musik tonight

Following NoKtUrNaL at 11 PM EST, DJ Tsar  (me) will spin the hardest
fucken trance for your mind and body....

tune in to level9.simplenet.com

Misha


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Ravers kill me. I just bought a ticket for Kraftwerk for $40.05
Canadian. They will play for about 2 hours. More than likely that's all
there will be for entertainment. I am not happy about giving up $40 for
a fun 2 hours in my life but I don't have much of a choice as they're
not going to be playing in my basement for $5 anytime in the near
future. At the end of the day it costs money to do things and alot of
people make their living from providing entertainment. One would hope
that if they were not providing a commodity worth the price they are
charging then they would go out of business. Can anybody who subscribes
to this list ever quote a situation where PlastikProducts had an event
that did not live up to its admission fee? I have been a part of nearly
every one since the beginning of time and I have never felt that nothing
but the best effort in all aspects was provided by the organizers. 

It's your right to whinge and moan about how much less your
entertainment dollar stretches in 1998. But think about this: In the
year 2003 when you're 5 years older looking back on the most fun years
of your life, would you rather be thinking "wow remember that party that
richie threw in the summer of '98 that totally blew our minds, that one
was f'in crazy, it's not like that anymore..." or "oh I never went to
that party, back then I refused to pay more than $15 or $20 for a party,
another $5 was totally the end of the world for me, I had to stick up
for what I believed!"

It's only ANOTHER $5 or $10 MORE THAN YOU USUALLY PAY!? Is it worth
compromising a potentially amazing night in your life for? I don't think
so!

Think about it!!!

Love, Jetstream (semi-retired)

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On Sat, 2 May 1998 14:35:07 -0500 (EST) Luis-Manuel Garcia
<luigarci@indiana.edu> writes:
>You can, however, get them in Canada no problem.  At least in Toronto.
>
>On Fri, 1 May 1998, Becky Wangenheim wrote:
>
>> Kinder eggs are only sold from somehting like September through May 
>in
>> Europe. I don't think they're availble for sale in the US.
>> 
>> 
>
>Luis

you guys know why you can't get them in the US... because the US FDA
won't approve them...  shouldn't that be a clue that this may not be a
safe and yummy treat?

-pm-

DJ .com

this DJ... he gets down... mixing rekkids while they go round...



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DJ dotcom wrote:

> you guys know why you can't get them in the US... because the US FDA
> won't approve them...  shouldn't that be a clue that this may not be a
> safe and yummy treat?

maybe.. maybe not... after all... Canadian Mountain Dew uses a different
formula than US Dew (the true Dew, imho)... and that's because of
government regulations about caffeine content in non-cola beverages...

there's probably just concerns about the fact that the toys aren't
pre-assembled and contains small pieces that a child could, conceivably
choke on...  however... unless you're going to be sticking that smurfs
puzzle in your mouth or you plan on using that plastic airplane as a
soother then you shouldn't have a problem with it...

unless they've made the very rash and sudden decision to completely
outlaw chocolate...

-- 
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Yep.  Hooray for choking hazards.  The FDA assumes that you wouldn't be
smart enough to supervise a toddler in that situation.  Ah well.  If a
french, german, or canadian toddler chokes on the contents of a kinder
egg, the parents would blame themselves for not being there to prevent it,
and that would be that.  In the US, they'd sue.  For
$1,000,000,000,000.00 and a written apology.

=]Lu!s

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, DJ dotcom wrote:

> 
> you guys know why you can't get them in the US... because the US FDA
> won't approve them...  shouldn't that be a clue that this may not be a
> safe and yummy treat?
> 
> -pm-
> 
> DJ .com
> 
> this DJ... he gets down... mixing rekkids while they go round...
> 
> 
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First off, they probably haven't been approved because they contain 
*SMALL* plastic parts inside candy for kids (choking hazard) and 
secondly, do you believe in *everything* your government tells you to?

Just a thought...

>On Sat, 2 May 1998 14:35:07 -0500 (EST) Luis-Manuel Garcia
><luigarci@indiana.edu> writes:
>>You can, however, get them in Canada no problem.  At least in Toronto.
>you guys know why you can't get them in the US... because the US FDA
>won't approve them...  shouldn't that be a clue that this may not be a
>safe and yummy treat?
>
>-pm-
>
>DJ .com



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> 
> you guys know why you can't get them in the US... because the US FDA
> won't approve them...  shouldn't that be a clue that this may not be a
> safe and yummy treat?
> 
Well, the FDA also doesn't approve of marijuana or othere substances 
which I consider a safe and yummy treat to enjoy occasionally. The FDA 
does approve of Olean, a substance which is not digestible by the human 
body and often gives the runs. Of course, there is no obvious human  
benefit to recreational drugs or chocolate eggs with toys in them. Olean 
has such a wonderful purpose as to allow fat Americans to feed their 
fucking faces and not have to learn self-control to lose weight. 

Matt

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Marijuana LIE #3

--Marijuana is a "gateway" drug -- it leads to hard drugs.

     This is one of the more persistent myths.  A real world
example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can be
found in Holland.  The Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the
1970s.  Since then, hard drug use -- heroin and cocaine -- have
DECLINED substantially.  If marijuana really were a gateway drug,
one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not
down.  This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been
observed in the United States.  Studies done in the early 1970s
showed a negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of
alcohol.  A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in
states that had decriminalized marijuana versus those that had not,
found that where marijuana was more available -- the states that
had decriminalized -- hard drug abuse as measured by emergency 
room
episodes decreased.  In short, what science and actual experience
tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more
dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.


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dj gilmer presents
Musique Du Jour @ Bon Appetit in Dinkytown - FREE 18+ EVENT
419 14th AVE SE, Minneapolis 612.362.9605

May 3rd - Sunday - ***--> 8pm - 12:30am <--***
DJ Werk - chenobyl farms productions
DJ Brendan
DJ Isaac
DJ Spree - happy hardcore :) :) :)
DJ Gilmer

Please get there early. I have no idea what everyone is spinning 
(besides me) so if you want to find out, I suggest you stop by :) I 
mean, it's free, what's there to lose? :)

-Craig/xotis/spree


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Ok..all in all, great party.  Here's my view on this lil' shindig.

Lights:  Great.  Badger Audio dude did a great job.  I loved the way the 
laser was printing out the dj's names and stuff and the dancing guys.  I 
don't know much about lights, but who needs drugs when they were this 
good.  Really Far OUT man!

Sound:  Great as well.  I was a little disappointed when the sound got 
turned down though.  You could only hear a little echo off the back wall 
earlier on in the party, but when people started showin' up that prob 
was cured.  

Dj's:  casper- good d&b and jungle.  I didn't really groove out to him 
tho.  It just wasn't kickin' me out.  The mixing was decent but the 
tracks weren't too appealing to me..but that's my opinion..no flames 
please.
Dan EFEX--great job my man!  When I got to the party the 2nd time around 
he was in the middle of his set pushin' out some phat dance beats.  I 
jumped out for this set. 

WOOOOOOOODIE MCBRIIIIIIIDE!!!!!!!!!

This set was my favorite of course.  The whole reason I went to the 
party.  Started out with some hard acid beats and later on worked it to 
old school trax.  I got off at this set.  With the lights, sound and 
woodie, man I just sat back and enjoyed the show.

Next up was Electric Indigo i think.  I liked this girl a lot.  I was a 
little too tired to dance, but hey I tried.  Some really good shit was 
played.  I rekognized a few tracks, but yet I was pretty tired..so  I 
can't give a speaker huggin' review.

R notorious J--Glad I took some vivarin and ginseng pills before this 
guy went on.  Some phat ass jungle beats.  Now i'm no jungle fan really, 
but I danced my jolly ass off to this guy.  Everybody went wild 
here..big props to those 6 or 7 guys and girls who got up on the 
speakers and danced.

i didn't see Miles Maeda at all..We decided to go to the bitchen kitchen 
and then head home.

Well, thanks to Part Mal. and netwerk10 for throwin' a great party.  
This has been the best one in a while.  Nice to have met some new faces 
and all and thanks to zach for lettin' me take a friend home and get 
back in hassle free!!   I'm saving my wristband and waiting for $5 off 
their next party.

Fraggle Rockin' all night long!

Jesse


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     Most if not all of the "incredible" nights that I remember have been 
     the smaller parties.  Most of the lame ass, still remember to this day 
     how bad it was parties have been $20 or over.
     
     No thanks.  I draw the line at $20, prefer not to pay $15 and I've 
     never thrown a party that cost more then $14.
     
     Give me 200-1000 people with good DJ's(hint locals are just MAJOR 
     talent that haven't been discovered yet) with smiling peps and I'll be 
     much happier then 10000 people, mad DJ's flown from all-over the 
     planet with a price like $25 dollars. These folks then have a $250,000 
     budget.  Somebody is making way too much money, either the promoters, 
     space owner, DJ's, tax-man who cares...  
     
     -Giles


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It's your right to whinge and moan about how much less your 
entertainment dollar stretches in 1998. But think about this: In the 
year 2003 when you're 5 years older looking back on the most fun years 
of your life, would you rather be thinking "wow remember that party that 
richie threw in the summer of '98 that totally blew our minds, that one 
was f'in crazy, it's not like that anymore..." or "oh I never went to 
that party, back then I refused to pay more than $15 or $20 for a party, 
another $5 was totally the end of the world for me, I had to stick up 
for what I believed!"
     
It's only ANOTHER $5 or $10 MORE THAN YOU USUALLY PAY!? Is it worth 
compromising a potentially amazing night in your life for? I don't think 
so!
     
Think about it!!!
     
Love, Jetstream (semi-retired)

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after all that talk on this list about that party. did anyone end up
goin'? review? what happened? who showed? who didn't? i called the info
line sometime 'round 5 or so and i guess the party was busted? and after
party at alvin's? hrm...anyone care to shed some light as to what
happened...

mikey..


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I was at a party last night in the south burbs and I didn't even get the name
of it or the company who threw it.  T-1000 was spinning, so was Jevon Jackson.
Does anyone know the name of this little affair?

Brett

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could anyone hook me up with info for these guys.  #, what they can provide,
$, any additional comments.

Thanks

Darrin

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It was pretty cool (for me anyway).  Jevon Jackson was great, I was really
into it.  T-1000 came on at 1 and since I've never seen him before it was a
real treat.  The lights in the first building were decent, but the smoke was
pretty weak.  Sound was good.  The second room was weird because of the
mirrors and it was kind of too light.  The sound was ok but could have been
louder in the 2nd room.  I noticed a smaller drug presence than most chi town
parties, but of course they were still there with the familiar passing calls
of "liquid, glass".  But all in all I had a really nice time.  Did anyone else
go?


Brett  

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   Just wanted to send this out to you all that had doubts and set the record
straight about if someone died.My east coast buds are still talking about
this, because its really affecting their lives, future of rave etc.
I just really do NOT want this happening anywhere in the midwest..in MY
SCENE..i hope no one else will allow it either..because , yes drug overdoses
happen everday, but Jason , ( who died) was on the floor for FIVE hours before
anyone noticed him..negligence is involved...

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MucH luV to the family and friends. . . .
This is so sAd.... it just shouldn't happen. . .

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'Raver' dies of overdose


By CHRISTINE MAGNOTTA
Pocono Record Writers
cmagnotta@poconorecord.com

EAST STROUDSBURG — A 20-year old Virginia man who came to the Poconos
for an all-night dance party died of a drug overdose Monday at Pocono
Medical Center.

An official at Mount Airy Lodge, the resort that hosted the event, said
Monday it is unlikely similar dance parties, called "raves," would be
held.

Jason Robert Williamson of Virginia Beach died of "multi-system failure"
at 1:36 p.m. after being unconscious for more than 15 hours at the
medical center, Monroe County Coroner Dave Thomas said.

A second drug overdose victim from California is in critical condition
at the hospital.

"I think the death of any person any time is tragic," said Alfred Heim,
managing director at Mount Airy Lodge. "I'd like to separate that from
the event. I'm a father and can sympathize with the family of the child.
Our sympathies go to the family."

The 14-hour party, which drew about 8,500 teen-agers and young adults
from several states, "was of a magnitude where I doubt the owner would
allow such a large event to take place again at the hotel." The rave
lasted from 6 p.m. Saturday to 8 a.m. Sunday.

"I can't see us doing it again," said Heim, who emphasized that he was
not responsible for booking the event. "We're still recovering from the
weekend."

PMVB chief lashes out

In a rare display of anger at a resort, Robert Uguccioni, executive
director of the Pocono Mountains Vacation Bureau, said no more raves
should be held in the region.

"We would strongly, strongly encourage Mount Airy never to book this
kind of a group. Ever. No matter what the rationale, no matter what the
numbers. We are not supportive of this kind of an enterprise in our
area," Uguccioni said. "The Pocono Mountains Vacation Bureau is not
supportive of Mount Airy or other resorts holding similar events in the
Poconos. Period. Period. Period."

Heim said he would meet with other resort officials today to assess the
aftermath of the rave.

"My predecessor booked it," he said. "I don't think he was fully aware
how it would evolve."

Mount Airy hosted a similar event in September, though that attracted
about 2,500 youths. There were several arrests but no deaths at that
rave.

Police are unsure if Williamson came here alone or if he had planned on
joining others to stay at Mount Airy or its sister resort, Strickland's
Mountain Inn.

Thomas said Williamson's kidneys failed and the victim had to be put on
a dialysis machine at the hospital.

Toxicology reports will reveal what drugs Williamson ingested, inhaled,
or injected, Thoma said.

Family `heartbroken'

Williamson's uncle and grandmother described the victim to one of the
ambulance crew members as a straight A college student.

"They were heartbroken," Leah Murray, an emergency medical technician
with the Tannersville-based volunteer Central Pocono Ambulance team,
said of the family. She drove the ambulance that brought Williamson to
the hospital and then called the family.

The parents drove up from Virginia, she said.

Murray described the rave, officially billed as an "International Music
Conference," as wild, with throngs of teen-agers slamming into each
other as a live band pelted out alternative music. She and her crew
treated four overdose patients.

"They made a really big nice mess," she said, adding that the
temperature in the Sports Palace "was about 100 degrees."

Drug arrests

As Williamson lay dying in Pocono Medical Center, state police from
Swiftwater were charging three young adults with possession with the
intent to deliver after they found more than 100 hits of LSD in a black
pouch that was left at the Ramada Inn at Delaware Water Gap. The drugs
were hidden in chewing gum wrappers.

Darlla Lindaw, 20, of Pasadena, Md., Pascal B. Halabi, 18, of Falls
Church Va., and James E. Martin, 18, of Stonewood, W. Va., had about
$1,000 worth of a horse tranquilizer known as "Special K," LSD, Ecstasy
and methamphetamine. Police expect to release the details of all of the
confiscated drugs Tuesday.

Some of the pills were in a bag tucked into Lindlaw's bra.

In all, there were 22 drug arrests, police said.

The partiers each paid $25 to attend the event. That money went to the
event organizer, Local 13, of Philadelphia, Heim said. The organization
is a business and is not affiliated with a union, he said.

"We leased the hall to them," he said. He refused to say how much Mount
Airy received for leasing the space to Local 13.

Heim referred inquiries to a Philadelphia man affiliated with Local 13.
Repeated calls to his home Monday were met with busy signals. There is
no phone listing for Local 13.

Extra coverage

State police scheduled an additional 40 troopers to patrol the area
during the rave.

"From our point of view it ran smoothly," said Sergeant Donald Fernbach,
supervisor of the crime section of the Swiftwater barracks.

As many as 2,000 teen-agers who attended the concert went to the
Promised Land State Park in Pike County afterwards to party but were
chased away by police early Sunday morning. Needles and syringes were
found at the park.

Police believed some of the teens attending the concert were also
responsible for vandalizing the Martz bus terminal in Mount Pocono.
Initials were scratched into the windows and graffiti was spray-painted
on the building.

Some of the thousands of young adults had gone to the resort not for the
drugs, but for what they called a unique musical experience they
couldn't get in their hometowns.

But in the long run, Fernbach said, the music may not be what Pocono
residents remember of the International Music Conference.

"I'm sure the event will be overshadowed by the fact that someone died
while attending the concert," he said.







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i too went to this party.
we got there around 12 and i swear the crowd was WEAK  took kids a
while to get there.  i agree the first building was cool ..nice floors and
lights.  the second one was way too bright. i like the intimacy of teh
darkness, which was just not happening.  i also like the speakers
outside, even though i didn't dance out there.  i can't wait for outside
parties.   i kept thinking it was getting shut down every 10 minutes,
which, of course it did.  which makes me wonder: exactly what is
involved in getting parties shut down?  is it that hard to find a 100% legal
venue that we can party at until the end?  i don't know about you guys,
but i find nothing more frustrating than when the party really starts to get
good and everyone's into it and then BAM police show up or whatever
lights go on music goes off and all these kids that i want to spend the
next few hours with partying all have to go away.  why can't the party
last longer?
rachel

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for documentary purposes, i'm going to give my own brief assesment of our
event thrown on friday for mayday.

first of all, it was intended to be an exploration of the political side
of this music we're all into--electronic dance music.  it may not seem
political at first, but there's a lot of political undertones subsumed
within that repetitive beat and wordless sounds.  it's empowering to
experience music on such a visceral level, in a space temporarily taken
over for expression of this kind.  and the fact that it was on mayday (an
internationally-celebrated holiday begun, then forgotten in the US, which
celebrates worker's rights) made it all the more appropriate. 

the space was a basement which has been used numerous times before, at
grant & gay in downtown columbus.  it hadn't been used since october '97
(for the 9th ele_ment, FLUORINE) so it still retains a certain freshness,
but for old-schoolers it has a lot of memories (including an appearance by
claude young back in early '96).  anyway, this small, grungy basement
became our field of play.

we oriented the DJ setup in a new way, on the opposite side of where it is
usually set up.  jericho provided four 15" JBLs for the evening.  the
event began chaotically, as many ele_mental events do.  in fact, it was
hard to tell the event had even started at all.  but around 10.45 PM, it
did begin, with the abstract noise of a new artist who calls his concept
THE ALL MONSTER CHORUS (originally, AXESS was slated to play but was
unable to make it due to a change in work schedule).  ALL MONSTER was a
member of AXESS but has now branched out in his own direction, creating
improvised, beatless noise environments with a very low-tech setup.  a
very immersive, disturbing experience. 

after the noise subsided, colin bossen, myself, and dara bosiljevic took
turns reading some politically-oriented texts over low electronic drones
and beats.  we were supposed to have read at the beginning but things
didn't work out as planned.  we knew it was a risk to read later, when
kids would start showing up expecting a "rave" but we felt it was worth
pissing a few ravers off to stick to our guns and get a few ideas out.
colin read some old labor poems and texts, i read a piece about the power
of tape recordings by william s burroughs, and an excerpt from my upcoming
article "think (about it)", while dara read some of her own writings on
female roles as well as a sweet little poem about dancing, by maya
angelou.  we had so many problems up to that point that i took the
opportunity to give the patient audience some more rave-oriented music for
about 15 minutes while the next artist set up. 

DANIEL MEYR GOLD followed with a very austere (and brief) live performance
of his minimalistic techno.  barely consisting of one droning, building
song, dan's minimalism perplexed and defied audience expectations.  but
that was the point.  dan explores a kind of minimalism that is intended to
leave a great deal of room for audience imagination and interaction; you
are supposed to move towards _it_, not it towards you. 

by 1 AM, BAMBULE COMMANDO took over and shook the audience even further. 
gordon sharp's destructive and sensual beat-smashings make for difficult
listening for ravers used to hearing identifiable beats and safe genres. 
but the commando's sonic assault is intended just for that purpose: to
challenge and reveal.  crossing the most charged aspects of punk, the most
underground and politically-motivated of sonic experiences, and crashing
them together into cryptic and epileptic hybridizations of things we
thought we recognized (techno, electro, drum'n'bass, hardcore), the
commando's music defies them all. 

as bambule tapered off, there were no DJs in the house...so i was forced
to spin again (call it a holding pattern).  for about 20 minutes, i played
tracks from columbus artists such as todd sines, titonton, and charles
noel while i desperately hoped the next DJ showed up.  although it was fun
while it lasted, i knew people hadn't come to see me!  but ECLIPSE showed
up just in time.  his 1-hour set of detroit-style techno was, as usual,
intense and foreboding.  and watching this guy spin is also an intense
experience as he takes over those decks in a way that very few people even
try to do.  very conscious of the machinery in front of him, greg makes
every piece of it work with him: the crossfader, eq's, volumes, and of
course the vinyl itself.

DEVIL GIRL must have also been impressed because as she took over after
greg at about 3.30, she proceeded to one-up mr. eclipse and tear the roof
off.  i have seen leigh play before, and she does play very intense,
frantic music, but her DJ style was always sedate and subdued.  not this
time!  in fact, her set, incredibly hard and relentles as it was, became
the highlight of the evening.  the crowd, which by this time had finally
grown to over 150 people, took to her like i haven't seen them take to a
DJ in a long time.  they reacted to her music in a very intimate and
attentive way, noting every move she made and responding with cheers and
gratitude.  leigh couldn't have been more delighted, and we hope she's
able to make the long trek from alabama sometime soon.  watch for her. 

SENSE then took to the decks and played a solid, frill-filled set of deep,
hard house.  jonathan's been playing for quite a while but this was his
first appearance at one of our events, so i'm sure he felt like he had to
give us his best.  his efforts were well-appreciated both by me and the
crowd, who usually go house-hungry at our parties (yeah yeah, i know i
know).

SHELLVERFLY had switched with jonathan, so her set was in fact the last.
in her first appearance at a columbus party, shell proved that she could
step up to the tables and make a statement.  her set of spaced-out,
groove-oriented jungle was a new direction for the party, which had thus
far been mostly hard-headed.  as shell wrapped up, she ended with
some old funk which put a smile on the faces that remained.

even though shell was supposed to be the last DJ, a handful of people were
still dancing, so i decided to jump on yet again.  i don't usually play at
my own events, so playing three short sets was unheard of!  but i won't
deny that i enjoyed it despite the stress and frustration.  and this end
set was my favorite, because closing down a party is what i do best as a
DJ.  i'm not a 2 AM party DJ, i like to create a more shimmering,
immersive atmosphere that cools the body down.  so that's what i did.

and that's how it ended.

or did it?

perhaps THE POLITICS OF SOUND was only an opening volley in a long, hard
battle ahead.

perhaps you will take part as well...


"music is a herald. . ."  --jacques attali

"THE DRUM IS ALWAYS BETTER -" --mad mike

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". . .throngs of teen-agers slamming into each other as a live band pelted
out alternative music. . ." 

- this is what they know about us.

- this is how they explain what we do.  

- this is how they explain who we are.

- did someone have to die over this bullshit?

- is anyone really that surprised?
 
WE let this happen.

WE supported this kind of overblown, candied-out, drug-infested RAVE.

WE should know better.

stay low

stay strong

support the ones you know

support the ones who have something to say

"this is some deadly serious shit!"  --mad mike, underground resistance

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e d


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 04 02:18:28 1998
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I beg to differ, all music, especially techno would sound like crap if
there were not treble or midrange...
sides some of us like stuff like punk and grunge...

just flashing my shit...

At 02:58 AM 5/1/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-05-01 00:19:41 EDT, luigarci@indiana.edu writes:
>
><< 
> 
> Yep.  However, the bass isn't nearly as bad as the treble for you.  The
> ideal speaker fucker music is heavy bass with nothing above 100Hz. =] >>
>
>treble is evil!!!!
>


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just your point of view, I think minimal and trance kinda bite nut...

flashing my shit again...

At 01:01 PM 5/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 you wrote:
>>anyone selling any good house mixtapes?
>
>no because house is dumb!  there is no such thing as 'good house' !
>  ;-)~
>
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>~but i am not so selfish
>~~because once you enter my house
>~~~it then becomes our house!
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know what bud... DAY RAVE IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, the cops issued a formal
warning saying that they will shut down any live music+ticket the people
who are performing!!
DAMN PIGS!!!

dhfhdfhdrrODashhsfhfssg

At 02:51 PM 5/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>help?
>is anybody from chicago (other than toastman who won't get a hold of
>me!!!!!!!!! hello!!! :P) going to madison for the day rave?  and have room
>in their car for one more person?  cuz my train only goes from detroit to
>chicago, and even tho i *could* take a bus from there to madison, my
>spoiled ass doesn't really feel like spending 10+ hrs on public
>transportation.  so, any takers?
>
>**doris**
>
>
>
>
>


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RIGHT ON!!!!!! coldn't ave said it better myself, I completly agree...
ravers these days are becoming as much of cruel dead-minded people as the
system the initially defied!
KEEP IT ALIVE!!!!!



At 05:01 PM 5/1/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I had one of my newer school friends ask me.... what do they mean with
>RESPECT??? My friend understood the idea of Peace, Love, Unity... but he
>didn't get the RESPECT part. I can totally understand how a new schooler
today
>would not understand that. You see, when the word PLUR first started up in
the
>Rave scene, there were LOTS of different types of people in the scene. and a
>larger age range. including tons of openly homosexual people, and people who
>dressed crazy. Like a lot of people used to wear funky wigs, wear tripped out
>costumes, funky collars, spiked wristbands, nerdy looking shirts, and a
lot of
>people were into glitter. And there were also people who proudly wore tight
>pants and normal shirts without feeling out of place. Respect means respect
>for people's individuality and freedom of opinion and expression. Having an
>open mind. Something lacking today. That was back in the day when "RAVERS"
>didn't have an image. Back then, being a "raver" had nothing to do with baggy
>pants, wallet chains, polo, Tommy hilfinger, nautica, addidas, or Untitled
and
>Level. You wore whatever you wanted to wear. We were all full "ravers" back
>then. But being a "raver" was based on what you were on the inside, not on
>your looks. What really mattered was how you treated people. It came from the
>heart.
>- try to keep the Respect and the meaning alive. (at parties and everyday)
>


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well, i'm most likely gonna skip the next analogue party!!

got there around midnight.  the space was pretty good, nice hardwood
floors, but a bit too slippery.  also, they didn't have any fans so it got
really hot.  AK1200 ripped some jungle shit up.  i really enjoyed his set.
Afrika Bambaata showed and was really good too.  Simply Jeff threw down
some phat breakbeats, and then during Derick Carter's set around 4am the
party got busted by cops.  

No Jazzy Jeff, or Pierre, despite all this "100% confirmed lineup" talk.  

So make your own guesses as to why the cops would bust a party that was at
a legal venue, with secured parking...bad luck?  or Analogue Systems
trying to cover for Jazzy Jeff not showing?
I have no clue, but in my opinion, Analogue as well as System are just too
sketchy nowadays.  I'm saving my money for parties with spirit and vibe,
not just some phat lineup, that doesn't even end up happening

--my 2 cents




On Sun, 3 May 1998, e-nid wrote:

> after all that talk on this list about that party. did anyone end up
> goin'? review? what happened? who showed? who didn't? i called the info
> line sometime 'round 5 or so and i guess the party was busted? and after
> party at alvin's? hrm...anyone care to shed some light as to what
> happened...
> 
> mikey..
> 
> 


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wow... big party.  dieselboy and mystical didn't show but the replacements
were casper (who we all knew about ahead of time) and R NOTORIOUS J -
wow...  a replacement that's way better than the original.  anyway, it was
a long long drive from madison to manitowoc - i've made it before and didnt
remember it being so far.  but damn, it was a long way.  

woody played fairly well... even a few old rave tracks!  nice.
electric indigo was good too, i wasnt listening to closely though.
r notorious j tore shit up...  played like 6 tracks off my tape (so if you
liked his set, email me and i'll hook up a tape - shameless self promotion)
and some crazy crazy dubplates... virus 2, etc...  this summer is gonna be
big for jungle releases.
miles maeda was cool...  i was beat though and we left soon after he started.

the laser was the shit.  the sound was huge.  the coolest part though was
astro-logix' drink booth... they went all out with those decorations!  

you just cant beat a surprise guest when its a rated uk jungle dj.

on a side note, the day rave did happen, despite "OD"'s after the fact
claims that it wouldn't.  it was cold and rainy but still fun.  that fucker
efex came to our house and took a shit when we weren't home though. bastard!

chris

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> 
> No Jazzy Jeff, or Pierre, despite all this "100% confirmed lineup" talk.  

aaaahahahaha!!!!!  i hate to gloat but I TOLD YOU SO!!  i luv it!
sorry for being so immature, i just love being right!
:P~


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A new club just opened up in St. Louis...KAOS...
1521 Washington Ave  314.231.4400

It is PERFECT.  It is the best thing that has happened to this city since
Fallout.  If anyone remembers Fallout, then you know how badly this city
needed a place like this.  I went on opening night (saturday), and it was
one of the best nights I've had going out in this city for a couple years
now.

It is located on Washington, but you enter through an alley in the back.  If
you've been to Cabool, this club is where Cabool used to be located.  It is
one block west of Tangerine.  And yes, it is a "gay" club, just like Fallout
was...but it's not what you'd expect if you've been to any of the other gay
clubs in the area...I think they mix with straights pretty well.

The sound system was great.  The bass felt nice.  The whole range of
frequencies was decent.  It was loud enough to move the entire dancefloor,
but not all distorted, so you could still talk to the person in front of you
without spitting in their face.  The place is primarily a dance club, with a
few extra rooms (including an outdoor room) to cool off in, and chat.

The lighting setup was pretty good too.  No stupid lights.  All intelligent
lighting, a few strobes (only used when needed), and extra mood lighting
scattered throughout the club.  The dancefloor is usually dark, with an
occasional light flashing by you.  I hate overly lit dancefloors, for me, it
was perfect.

The music was good club music (no, they don't play any fucking Madonna or
Aqua).  If you were lucky enough to visit Atlantis during it's short stay,
then you would recognize a few of the tunes.  Just typical club house...But
it was damn good, if not perfect.  The Dj (I don't know who he was, nor do I
care) didn't miss a beat.  Once again, I strongly recommend going to this
place and shaking your booty for a few hours.

Dress in whatever you feel good dancing in.  There is no specified
dress-code, but you also might not want to show up looking like a
clown-raver.  I saw several people who could be classified as
"club-kids"...But no Jnco wearing mall ravers were to be seen.

Here's the schedule that I picked up:

THURSDAY:
    Deep house - Kevin Brock
    "Vogue Cabaret" - Femal Impersonation w/ Ms. Vogue
    9pm-3am (show @ 10:30 till 12:30)
    $5 cover

FRIDAY
    Dance music - Billy Coons
    9pm-3am
    $3 cover 10pm to close...show up early to avoid cover

SATURDAY
    Dance music - Danny Morris
    9pm-3am
    $5 cover 10pm to close...show up early to avoid cover

UPCOMING SPECIAL EVENTS
    BABAA (Blacks Assisting Blacks Against Aids)
    May 7 9pm-3am
    "Divas Together Again" w/ Ms. Vogue @ 10:30
    Deep House ala Kevin Brock 12:30-close
    $5 cover goes directly to BABAA

    DECADANCE (benefiting St Louis Effort for Aids)
    May 8  9pm-3am
    Dance Music ala Billy Coons
    $5 cover goes directly to St. Louis Effort for Aids


SOOOOoooOOOOoooo...

If anyone from out of town wants to come to st louis for a fun night out,
this is the spot to go.  No, I don't work there, and I'm not affiliated with
anyone who does.  I just thought this place was the shit, and I think
everyone should check it out.

I don't know what the age restrictions are.  I imagine that they are 21+,
but this was an invite only grand opening thing, so they weren't carding.
If you are under without a good fake, I suggest that you call them and ask
them their age requirements before heading out.

KAOS
1521 Washington Ave
314.231.4400


---Cylert


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>So make your own guesses as to why the cops would bust a party that was at
>a legal venue, with secured parking...bad luck?  or Analogue Systems
>trying to cover for Jazzy Jeff not showing?


Well, while I was waiting outside some of the Analogue guys were bitching
about how it's illegal to park on Dexter, that the cops had been by four
times already (by 11:30) and would probably shut the party down because of
those cars.  When I left at 3:00 (it was just too damn hot) I saw about 10
cars parked on the road... maybe that's why the party got busted?

What I did see:
AK1200 ripped it up... really good jungle
Afrika Bambata didn't really impress me too much
whoever went after these two in both rooms were really good, I don't know
who they were though.

The decorations were pretty good, sound got muddy a couple times but was
mostly ok, and the lights were good.  It was just way too hot, some fans
would have been really nice. maybe open a window?

Oh yeah, I got a chance to say bye to my friend Matt before he leaves for
Colorado, so I guess I'm happy.

	-Sean

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okay, I'm pretty positive I'm the only person on this list that attended
this party, so I thought I'd review it!! :P

"Manipulation" was one of those toledo parties that are thrown at the
record/clothing store there ("In The Mixx") ..and it was actually pretty
kewl. :)  i like toledo because you get to hear some really really good
music for a small town price, and that is a happy thing ('specially
now-a-days, geesh!)  ..N-E-wayz..  the upstairs served as a chill out
area, and the actual party was kickin in the basement of the place.  

Highlights of the evening included:
*Will Webb kicked ass!  He spun like a 2 hour set, and I watched him spin
4 a little while (I was on tha dancefloor, mostly), and the boy has got
some skillz!!  ..It was inspiring!  Also, electro makes me drool, so hell
yeah I was liking his set.  Will Webb is a real gem - I wish he got
booked more often elsewhere in the midwest. :)
*Semantic (a toledo local) fucked some shit up - if you get off on
d-troit techno -..which I rather enjoy..- ..and btw, if you ever by any
stretch of the imagination find yourself in toledo, talk to him!  He's
the greatest guy! :D
*there were some really really good breakdancers there
*I met a bunch of wonderful people
-and, ok, this is kinda' bad, but not really-
*I ate a pill and I rolled -HARD-.  I hadn't rolled since march '97
(because I quit for whatevah reason) and it just kicked my ass.  I had so
much fun!!! :) :) :)  ..lots of hugs and friendly chatter from the toledo
kiddies.  The only drawback from taking that pill is when it hit, it was
one of those rolls where you had to sit and, I guess -Roll Really Hard-
for awhile (ya' know what I mean??) and my legs felt like jello and I
couldn't dance (at all).  Luckily, it didn't hit me 'til the very end of
Will's set! :P  I think it was part mdma, part mda (with, I'm sure, some
other stuff in it, but no speed or heroin) 'cuz it was really really
intense for a about 3-4 hours, and then it was just good ol' mdma, and I
felt it forever, (like 24 hours later I was still hitting the vicks and
having a blast with mr. happy massager!! woo-hoo!).  One werd:  Wow. :)

So I said all that to say......
I had a ton of fun in toledo, ohio, of all places. *smiles*

X's and O's,
jessica/jes c. :)
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 I saw several people who could be classified as
>"club-kids"...But no Jnco wearing mall ravers were to be seen.

funny you mention that.....i was just out in california about two weeks ago
and went to a party in the L.A. area (audiotistic).  Jnco was the
predominant brand name at that party of over 5000 people.  i probably
wouldn't have noticed if there weren't so many poeple walking around
handing out Jnco stickers.  It seems that out there, you aren't popular
unless you are a raver and it was rare to find a person who didn't have
that kind of attitude.  i can't count how many times i was run into *hard*,
but i can count on one hand how many people actually said "sorry".  

some other differences:
-hella tighter security.  security made one of the guys in front of me in
line take off his shoes, and then checked the soles and took out the
insoles to make sure he didn't have anything. they threw out cigarrettes,
lighters, gum, inhalers...everything except money and i.d.'s and jewelry
pretty much.  my friend had to crotch his zippo just so they wouldn't throw
it away.  plenty of people still got stuff in, though.

-out there they buy these strings of plastic beads for like 6.00 a
piece..not hemp necklaces, just plain old beads that anyone could string
themselves.  they buy as many as they can.

-the music... there was a definite diference in the music...i just can't
explain exacly what it was. really straight forward. i guess, for the most
part, seems sort of mindless.  i mean there was some stuff i got into, but
the taste in music seems to lean towards semi-popular stuff....nothing new
or groundbreaking.  put it this way, i heard "it takes two" played three
times by three different dj's. and the (local) djs' technical skill didn't
impress me all that much, even though i was trying to be impressed.

-every other person (literally) was wearing those masks with  vicks in em.
i was scared, i thought there were a bunch of evil doctors trying to get
me...if that ever happens around here, i'm moving.

-believe it or not...more peircings.

-brighter colors in what people wear.  more plastic clothes and shiny-wear.  

-less people dance the same way, and there are more breakdancers. higher
percentage of the people were dancing.

-more graffiti

-more big ass flyers

that's about all i can think of for now, i want to stress that i'm not
saying that this is the way the scene is there.  this was only one party,
and i'm not going to try to make generalizations, but the friend i was with
who lives there said that that party was pretty normal, so that's what i'm
going by.    i won't review the entire party because it's probably not
midwest related...but i will say that q-bert was there aswell as bassbin
twins and frankie bones. i think the fact that it was a different scene is
really what made it fun for me, i was just people watching and trying to
figure out if i was disturbed more by the differences or the similarities
between there and home.  

i like it here.

that jnco thing just brought all this to mind, so i thought i'd share with
yall :)

peace, 
Chad

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to whomever caught woody mcbride's entire set...

anyone know the first track he played???  that was like the next funkiest
thing to Parliament...and i NEED to know what it was.
i was hoping he'd kinda stick to that flavor for a little bit longer into
the set, so i was a bit dissapointed.  not that he was bad...just felt like
groovin' for a bit longer.

i can't even explain the track or even remember exacly how it goes, all i
know is that it was really really really funky. so i guess if noone was
there or remembers, i'm s.o.l.

 thanks in advance for your cooperation,
Chad

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this is slightly of subject, but does anyone know WHO system is?? i.e. who are the promoters?

jus' wonderin....

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*May 16th 1998*   Sub pHunC  *Pittsburgh PA*

VAPOURSPACE
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INFO-LINES:
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$15 Before 11
$18 After
Doors Open At 9:00



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On Fri, 1 May 1998, Robin Urmanic wrote:

> Rebecca Jane Meyer wrote:
> > Actually, often the promoters sell the water, unless it is in a bar-type space where the owners insist, or there is an actual vendor > selling
> > smart-drinks AND water.....  at least in Detroit, more than half the
> > parties I would guess the promoter is selling the water.  
> 
> Unfortunately, the reality elsewhere seems to be that many space owners
> DO insist that they be allowed to sell all the water, at of course,
> exorbitant prices. Space owners can be greedy bastards!! 
> 
> Also, most of the time when theie is nasty security it is because they
> are affiliated with the space, too. Promoters seem to feel they _must_
> put up with this crap, especially in Chicago. I wonder if any have tried
> creative pricing strategies that would appease the space owners, but
> would allow the promoter to provide drinks at reasonable prices (such as
> paying more to rent the space, in return for being allowed to handle the
> conscessions/rent own security. 
> 
> -- Robin 
> Kansas City
> High-R Frequencies magazine


In chicago its just a matter of aproach.  Most people come to a space
owner seeming desperate...and for that reason the space owner controls the
game.  If you go to the owner, as a bussiness man, giving him an
opertunity you stand a much better chance of getting a reasonable, deal
where you truley control the space.

Sometimes you run into people who are just idiots with power
complexs....just don't use there spaces, get off your ass and find a new
one.

-dan



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On Mon, 4 May 1998, Kristo K wrote:

> well, i'm most likely gonna skip the next analogue party!!
> 
> got there around midnight.  the space was pretty good, nice hardwood
> floors, but a bit too slippery.  also, they didn't have any fans so it got
> really hot.  AK1200 ripped some jungle shit up.  i really enjoyed his set.
> Afrika Bambaata showed and was really good too.  Simply Jeff threw down
> some phat breakbeats, and then during Derick Carter's set around 4am the
> party got busted by cops.  
> 
> No Jazzy Jeff, or Pierre, despite all this "100% confirmed lineup" talk.  
> 
> So make your own guesses as to why the cops would bust a party that was at
> a legal venue, with secured parking...bad luck?  or Analogue Systems
> trying to cover for Jazzy Jeff not showing?
> I have no clue, but in my opinion, Analogue as well as System are just too
> sketchy nowadays.  I'm saving my money for parties with spirit and vibe,
> not just some phat lineup, that doesn't even end up happening
> 
> --my 2 cents


I doubt it was a cover up...being the promoters did get arressted...the
question is why?....I know it had something with him not turning the cash
over to the cops  (sounds like chi-town)....but maybe he wasn't permitted
to take money....thats a big no no.

-dan



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Howdy Howdy Howdy! :D

http://www.dlab.com/jasons/recon/Rite_of_Spring/rite_of_spring.html

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 04 21:12:32 1998
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Are any of the promoters for Origin in july out there?  When I  was @ Dexagon
someone told me if there was anyone *anybody* wanted to see on the line-up to
get in touch with them.......  Sooo, if someone could drop my a line.... :)

Shanks!
Darian
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Anyone going to Tilt this weekend in Columbus? Anyone up for a net meet?
-Amy

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Ok, this is just for the Detroit people, I really really need your help. 
For our party AquaVelvet, on May 16th, with Nigel Richards, Dieselboy,
Huggie, Traxx, Trevor Lamont, etc. , we have a really nice 1000 person
space.  From people we know and messages left on the infoline and e-mails,
it seems like we're going to get a LOT more people than that showing up.
Whatever space we use, we won't overcrowd the place (cause it's no fun if
you can't even move), but honestly, what kind of turnout in your
estimations can we expect?  PLEASE reply, we have another option of a much
bigger space, but it costs a lot more and isn't as "virgin" as the space
we have now.  If you've been going to parties in Detroit for a while and
can make good estimates, please e-mail me back privately ASAP, so I can
decide whether to get this bigger space or not!  Thanks!
Becky
Full Circle



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this message was forwarded to the breaks list a few days or so ago. 
thought it might do better on one of the many raves lists, so here it is.
 thought some of you might enjoy or whatever...

*hugs.n.nugs*

jawsh!

np: mother.nature - a.thunder.storm

>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:35:27 PDT
>From: Jesse Fawcett <dj_damaja@hotmail.com>
>To: idio-audio@syntac.net, ne-raves@world.std.com, 
>nik_trip@hotmail.com,
>    rave-tech@acs.brockport.edu, wnysor-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu,
>    jcfawcet@learn.senecac.on.ca
>Subject: Motto and Slogan of our scene
>
>I was going to send this in reply to a post recently, but I can't 
>remember which message, or even which list. So I'm sending it to all 
>of 
>them (and I think it's appropriate for all anyway, but sorry anyway 
>for 
>the crosspost).
>
>A message recently (on NE-RAVES I think) mentioned that PLUR is kinda 
>the Motto of our scene, and I think that pretty much stands to reason. 
>
>It's something that most of us, being in the scene, live by, either 
>consciously or sub-consciously, even those who don't care to admit it, 
>
>or even outwardly deny it. It's something which has served as a basis 
>for our scene, and is a common uniting factor, along with the 
>universal 
>language of music.
>
>But what about our slogan? Something which expresses both our method 
>and 
>our destination?
>
>People on various lists have said this recently, but never put it into 
>a 
>concrete form. Personally, my vote goes for this simple phrase (you 
>all 
>know it):
>
>FORWARD EVER, BACKWARD NEVER
>
>I know, I'm sure, it's copyrighted by someone somewhere, but isn't 
>this 
>really an embodiment of the true spirit of raving? If I got general 
>agreement on this, I'd personally look into it, and I have confidence 
>that if someone does hold a copyright on it, they would be willing 
>(given certain release) to relinquish it to the general language of 
>the 
>rave/post-rave/whatever-rave subculture.
>
>FORWARD EVER, BACKWARD NEVER
>
>It seems like 99% of the problems people gripe about, the solution 
>comes 
>down to this idea. It seems like it's always about people looking 
>backward, instead of forward, longing for the past, the good old days, 
>
>instead of striving toward a better and brighter future.
>
>So what do you think? (Yes, I know I'm gonna catch some flames, but I 
>know in your hearts you guys are really the true-est, plurriest ravers 
>
>around, so I don't really take your flames seriously anyway...I know 
>you 
>just love to flame :).
>
>Da 1 Like Damaja
>Demonseed & Nick-E Productions
>http://dneproductions.hypermart.net
>
>By the way, this is also a reminder that tomorrow is MayDay. So 
>remember: RAVERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! (and workers too)
>
>PLUR Keep it real (and no, you'll never catch me "just saying that". I 
>
>believe.)
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i know it's still early in the week but ahwell. only time these things
ever werk anyway is when there are plans for one early. so. who's all
goin'? and who's up for a net.meet?

mikey...


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I like a lot of the JNCO stlyes.  Baggy and comfortable, but I can still see
which shoes I put on that morning.  I got my first pair, khakis, at the Merry
Go Round at Woodfield Mall for $100 almost 3 years ago and have been wearing
'em since.  On my 2nd pair of khakis, and just bought some nice shorts from
'em too.  I have 2 pairs of jeans too.  We just started carrying their shoes
at my store (Journeys) and one style is pretty cool actually.  Seem to be of
good quality too.  
That is if you care...

Darrin

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On Mon, 4 May 1998 Dan wrote:

>I doubt it was a cover up...being the promoters did get 
>arressted...the question is why?....I know it had something with him 
>not turning the cash over to the cops  (sounds like chi-town)....but 
>maybe he wasn't permitted to take money....thats a big no no.
>

  Gabe got arrested? I was there, and I didn't hear or see anything 
about that...how do you know? Also, the cops were outside from the 
start, were well aware of the party, and have not busted prior parties 
at that space. Last time they simply towed illegally parked vehicles (at 
the Syst3m V party). I also think it's peculiar that the party went fine 
until approximately the time that DJ Jazzy Jeff was supposed to show 
(can you say c-o-n-v-e-n-i-e-n-t?)

  My other two cents: I gotta say that AK1200 was da shit! Totally dope 
- tore up the dance floor. This guy really knows crowd control - easy 
buildup, then bust out some serious breaks, then a brief interlude so 
you can catch your breath, and do it again. It had to have been the best 
set of the night, and I told him so after. I know I'm not the only one 
who thought so - by the end of his set, the other room had practically 
emptied out (no small feat considering how many people were there). He's 
a really personable guy, too - not stuck-up at all. 
I didn't care for Africa Bambaata's set at all - too much old shit... 
Derrick Carter was really impressive until the cops busted in...
Already made clear what I think about the Jazzy Jeff situation...
The others were forgettable, but not bad.

   Altogether, NOT worth the $25 presale, much less what ppl paid at the 
door. Sorry, Analogue, but you won't see me again! A killer lineup that 
don't come together and a so-so vibe are not enough to lure me back.

PLUR,
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((_(  ((_  ((  (|  ((_) ((  ((     jungle from the cat."








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Hey man, I was too ripped at the time to be held acountable for my false
claims (I thought it was still last friday)  anyways... later and sorry....

OD


At 11:19 PM 5/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>wow... big party.  dieselboy and mystical didn't show but the replacements
>were casper (who we all knew about ahead of time) and R NOTORIOUS J -
>wow...  a replacement that's way better than the original.  anyway, it was
>a long long drive from madison to manitowoc - i've made it before and didnt
>remember it being so far.  but damn, it was a long way.  
>
>woody played fairly well... even a few old rave tracks!  nice.
>electric indigo was good too, i wasnt listening to closely though.
>r notorious j tore shit up...  played like 6 tracks off my tape (so if you
>liked his set, email me and i'll hook up a tape - shameless self promotion)
>and some crazy crazy dubplates... virus 2, etc...  this summer is gonna be
>big for jungle releases.
>miles maeda was cool...  i was beat though and we left soon after he started.
>
>the laser was the shit.  the sound was huge.  the coolest part though was
>astro-logix' drink booth... they went all out with those decorations!  
>
>you just cant beat a surprise guest when its a rated uk jungle dj.
>
>on a side note, the day rave did happen, despite "OD"'s after the fact
>claims that it wouldn't.  it was cold and rainy but still fun.  that fucker
>efex came to our house and took a shit when we weren't home though. bastard!
>
>chris
>


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whats your problem, I was told by about 50 people including the news that
it wasnt gonna go over... now all of you who bitched at me check this out,
wheres your PLUR now, eh? (sickening sarcasm)
I have no faith in ravers to live up to PLUR principles, way to go, you
guys truly made a point to me...  not even worth talking about...

blaugh... od 

At 10:34 PM 5/3/98 EDT, you wrote:
>aww sorry FUCKER YOU ARE WRONG! bad attitude
>fucking quit posting stupid fucking dickfuck shit man i'm getting pissy
>


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On Mon, 4 May 1998, jawsh decker wrote:

> this message was forwarded to the breaks list a few days or so ago. 
> thought it might do better on one of the many raves lists, so here it is.
>  thought some of you might enjoy or whatever...
> 
> *hugs.n.nugs*
> 
> jawsh!

The more I think about it, the more I'm getting convinced that we really
*must* evolve. Subcultures inevitably get chewed up and spit out by
mainstream society, it's a matter of avoiding this by evolving and moving
on. We better be changing all the time or we'll get swallowed just like
everyone else. 

this doesn't mean overwhelming change, i mean, we're not in the position
of mainstream society where we have to sieze on brief flames of life at
the edges in order to survive. we are(?) still deviant. but we need to
keep it that way. 

just thoughts.

peace, hugs,
andrew

> >But what about our slogan? Something which expresses both our method 
> >and 
> >our destination?
> >
> >People on various lists have said this recently, but never put it into 
> >a 
> >concrete form. Personally, my vote goes for this simple phrase (you 
> >all 
> >know it):
> >
> >FORWARD EVER, BACKWARD NEVER


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---Tigher---Analogue Systems---

2 Rooms - Nice Decorations - 1600-1800 people (estimate)

Water ran out at 2:00 - after that they were filling empty bottles with 
melted ice and selling it - 

Hot. Really Hot. People were passing out from the heat and lack of 
water. Ambulances were going away from the space after it broke up - 
after 4:00. There were cops were taking kids that were way cracked out. 

Vibe was weak and wack. Lots of drugs but not very many people smiling. 
It was so hot that I know I didn't dance half as much as normal. No fans 
or ventilation. 

$$$$$ be prepared to pay a lot at their next party. Because at this one 
the presale were $25, 30 at the door and $35 as it got later. 

The headliner didn't show, DJ Jazzy Jeff, the rumor he had canceled  had 
been around for weeks was TRUE. The party was shutdown just before 4:00, 
at this time all the DJ's that showed had played. 

$30*1600people= $48,000 
That's a lot of cash for a party that ends at 4:00, had no vibe, lack of 
water, no headliner, & people passing out from heat.

I hope that people learn there lessen from this.
As long as Detroit kids support promoters like this with their $$$$ then 
that's what kind of parties we will have.




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this was my first detriot party....i was...um...kinda dissapointed.
AK-1200 rocked, but everything else was kind of boring. no vibe that i saw
either. i spent all night passing out Remember the Magic and Furthur '98
flyers and talking to kids. the general consensus was that the party was
pretty lame. also, a whole bunch of kids got their cars broken
into...actually, the whole thing kind of reminded me of a usual chicago
party.....no vibe, running out of water, too hot, busted at 4am....and
i heard the door price was friggin' 30 dollars....what the hell's that?  

so i guess DETRIOT! is not quite the shit (eh?),
matt

p.s.
and i didn't even here techno there....that was the weirdest...


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On Mon, 4 May 1998, Detroit Junglist wrote:

>   Gabe got arrested? I was there, and I didn't hear or see anything 
> about that...how do you know? Also, the cops were outside from the 
> start, were well aware of the party, and have not busted prior parties 
> at that space. Last time they simply towed illegally parked vehicles (at 
> the Syst3m V party). I also think it's peculiar that the party went fine 
> until approximately the time that DJ Jazzy Jeff was supposed to show 
> (can you say c-o-n-v-e-n-i-e-n-t?)
> 


I heard it from JJ...he wouldn't be saying it if he wasn't 100%
certain...i don't know who told him...but knowing that we do bussiness
with Gabe...i am assuming it came from the source.....but i dunno


-dan




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	sound:  log squared, ive never quiet been able to hear them use this
                system to its full capasity, so I still have never had the
chance
                to be impressed yet, althought there was a lot of it, and
thats 
                usually a good thing... :)

    space:  1. it was big
                2. it was empty
                3. it was clean
                4. there were bathrooms
			  5. it was a little too close to some hotels and/or residences
			
   music: casper was good, it was early tho

              dan efex rocked the house, I miss those grinding 303's sometimes
		     and dan reminds me why usually, this was one of those times.

		    woody mcbride was pretty damn good, hes not the most technically skilled
dj,
              but he does slam down some hard beats, played some old stuff
along with his
		     usual noise/acid, so that was fun......

		     electric indigo, she was cool, but music that hard needs to be loud to
dance, 
			at least for me, so it was good but i didnt really pay attention too
much...

			notorious FUCKING ROCKED!!!!!!!  NUFF SAID

			miles was fun in the morning, they turned it up a little for his set so I
danced
			till they made them shut it down, miles knows what we like.. :)


oh yea, and the one thing cooler than a laser, is two of them.......

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On Mon, 4 May 1998, matt positive wrote:
> so i guess DETRIOT! is not quite the shit (eh?),
> matt

Well, that is kind of like saying chicago is not quite the shit....of
course its not, in general.  biggger city more room for wack people to get
away with shit. but i have also been to some amazing parties in
chicago...I think it is safer to say analouge system is not the shit.

althought the party does reflect the kids of that city to a certain
extent....

oh well...I would always rather be partying in ohio, kentucky, or
wisconsin,,(minus apperlton)

-dan


> 
> p.s.
> and i didn't even here techno there....that was the weirdest...
> 


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>I like a lot of the JNCO stlyes.  Baggy and comfortable, but I can 
>still see
>which shoes I put on that morning.

hrmmm...
havemnt seen the new styles yet, i take it?
the 'five-o's?
the 'kangaroo's?
a friend of mine works at this store that sells jnco.
he is -always- bring home new jncos and new mecca stuff.
guess he gets a phatty discount or some shit.
anyhow,
the new jncos are bigger than 90% of other pants ive seen.
really.

*shrug*

for what.the.hell.ever. thats worth...  :P

jawsh!

np: radio.disney

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i must've spent too much time getting sunburned today because i'm
obviously not thinking straight.... so i'll just post what i'm thinking
today. 

temp title outta be 'raves, evolution and us drug policy'. yeah. that'd
work nice.

anyways... i think that it is fairly obvious that government doesn't have
my best interests at heart. well, the great thing that government tends to
do is to preserve the _status_quo_. which is all well and good if you're
part of the status quo and you serve to make money from it's continuance.
[money. or power. or both if you like in a post-industrial consumerist
nation-state. (nice equation here m=p)]

the problem with this is that the status quo neccessarily must come to an
end because other interests seek to subvert it and replace it [read, raves
are definitely subversive.] because they are actually _better_ and more
adaptable than the status quo. 

not only are raves inherantly subversive [yeah!] but so are drugs.
however, the drug scene has [with the exception of the acid network in the
country] been converted with few exceptions to a consumerist network
itself. i will go so far as to say that some drugs are far more subversive
than others, mdma being the most subversive of all. regretably, drug
prohibition as a function [which it is] of conservative reactionary
status-quo mentality converts the sale of mdma into a big capitalistic
operation instead of the truly subversive operation that it should be.

anyway, mdma purity [a HUGE problem and a definite difference between now
and say 5 years ago] cannot be assured as long as the u.s. government
maintains its draconian drug policies. manufacture is just *too* difficult
for it to be produced by most people [unlike speed] and because there is
so little of it and so much demand NOW for it that drug dealers, being for
the most part the capitalists that they are [shame on them/you!] cut it
repeatedly with increasingly horrible things. i think that as the rave
scene continues to grow and more kids are exposed to e, the worse the
purity will become until eventually we reach a point of diminishing
returns after numerous deaths and scares in the scene prevent people from
buying it. 

so anyway, unless there are some very brave people out there willing to
produce huge amounts of the stuff and distribute it in the fashion that
acid is distributed, we're going to have some very serious problems in a
year or two. 

of course, the point of this is not to encourage people to break the law
[because that's just bad] but rather to do the things neccessary to
support causes which seek to do away with the ridiculous american drug
policies. 

just some thoughts. flame away.

peace, hugs,
andrew


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and you think i'm full of shit for claiming that mdma is subversive, you
can go read _this_ [or, if you're interested and up for a very good and
very articulate analysis. which, i hope you are. rather than thinking i'm
full of shit. because then you'd be wrong.]

http://www.cia.com.au/peril/youth/jesse1.pdf

which is part of the whole damn thing that got me thinking along these
lines earlier today.

=P

peace, hugs,
andrew


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At 05:50 PM 5/4/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I like a lot of the JNCO stlyes.  Baggy and comfortable, but I can still see
>which shoes I put on that morning.  I got my first pair, khakis, at the Merry
>Go Round at Woodfield Mall for $100 almost 3 years ago and have been wearing
>'em since. 

for 100 bugz, i'd kinda hope ya still sportin 'em! rillyz, thas alotta doh
to be spendin on khakis. but what kinda money-blowin fool am i to preach
about ca$h well spent.....
 
>We just started carrying their shoes
 >at my store (Journeys) and one style is pretty cool actually.  Seem to be of
>good quality too.  

never seen the shoes.....but id venture to agree that they probelly are
pritty.quality.types.
i sure do wuv my jnco!

btw: did you work at journeys in Bloo?


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> The more I think about it, the more I'm getting convinced that we 
> really *must* evolve. Subcultures inevitably get chewed up and spit 
> out by mainstream society, it's a matter of avoiding this by evolving 
> and moving on. We better be changing all the time or we'll get 
> swallowed just like everyone else. 

move under cover of darkness... mainstream culture wears a big hat,
always do your best to pull it down... cover the eyes...  the
underground exists outside of pop culture... eventually things filter
back, but it takes a while and even then, it's probably diluted...

avoid the strangle-hold grasp of pop culture... once it gets its grubby
hands upon us we will change... support the promoters that take risks
with their line-ups... the mad fuckers who don't rely on the same
headliners to draw you in to each and every party... support the
underground and avoid the cash grabs... 

I'm not saying avoid large parties... this isn't about size... as the
saying goes:  it's not the worm, it's the wiggle...

> this doesn't mean overwhelming change, i mean, we're not in the 
> position of mainstream society where we have to sieze on brief flames 
> of life at the edges in order to survive. we are(?) still deviant. but 
> we need to keep it that way. 

exactly... it's not so much about change as it is about preserving the
original intentions... to provide an environment that doesn't normally
exist... a forum for music that has no place in conservative club
culture... a venue that avoids the fashion show of clubs... a place for
people to be free.. to dance.. to talk... to feel comfortable...

as certain forms of music become accepted we should move on... leaving
it to the clubs.. it has a home now, we no longer have to provide on for
it... it shouldn't be seen as some sort of an elitist "we're too
underground for *that*" attitude, so much as it should be seen as that
music that has matured in our nurturing den is now accepted... like a
child grown up and leaving home... always welcome to come home if the
world proves to fickle...

slogans?? do we really need one??
"enjoy chaos"
"embrace change"
"fuck it up"
 
or... in the immortal words of Tit Wrench...
"rave on, fuckface"

c'mon... lets be punks and pranksters... there are times to contemplate
the intellectual future of the scene, but there are also times when it
is necessary to drift away and revel in the moment, in the chaos of the
now...

-- 
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Can somebody give me the rundown about this kid? I was just going through
my record bin and found some trax "connected" to him, but when I search for
info
on the net all I get are german sites ... Does anybody have any real audio
of anything
he has done recently? just curious.....




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I took the liberty of forwarding Ben's complimentary post to DJ Billy
Coons, one of the DJs at Kaos. He was thrilled to hear ppl are diggin
it, but you can read his own words below. 

I'll have to come up and check it out as soon as possible, even tho I am
usually more of a rave girl, after hearing all the beautiful cluba nd
garage hits at the Winter Music Conference in Miami I realize there is
dancing life outside of raves. 

-- Robin
High-R Frequencies magazine

<snip>
> thanks a lot for forwarding that information cause I've been dying to get
> some feedback. And the DJ's on Satuday night were myself and Danny Morris (If
> you could forward that to Cylert or the list that would be great). Most of the
> feedback I've been getting is from the rival gay dance club, and of course,
> according to them, the place sucks. <snip> 
> The opening night was fantastic!!! It was shoulder to shoulder in that place
> and people had to wait like 25 minutes to even get a cocktail. That is, BEFORE
> we ran out of liquor (vodka and gin). hehe. 
> 
> But musically, Danny and I really pushed it to the limit and the crowd really
> enjoyed things that I thought they would turn their backs to. Things like
> Mousse T "Horny", Voices of Life "The Word is Love (Say the Word)", The Don
> "The Horn Song", Robbie Tronco "Freight Train", Rosie Gaines "I Surrender", Da
> Hool "Meet Her at The Love Parade", Modern Romance "Can You Move" and the
> Pianoheadz "Distortion". Basically, it was straight up house all night long
> and the kids were screamin. And the vibe, just like Cylert said, was
> incredible....
> 
> I hope it stays that way. Only the next few weeks will tell the truth.
> 
> Thanks for the info!!!!
> 
> Take care!!
> 
> Billy

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>Check it...
>DJ's Frisky and D-Minus back to back for 60 minutes of happy hardcore
>mayhem!  E-mail me if interested...
>
>DJ's Frisky and D-Minus
>The Power of the 4/4
>
>Track Listing
>Side A
>Like a Prayer - The Sound Assassins
>Life We Share - JHAL
>Fairytales & Angels - Vinylgroover
>Here With Me - DJ FX
>Just Be Good To Me - Melody & Vinyl Junkie
>It Doesn't Have To Be Like That - Anonymous
>Steamtrain (Vinylgroover & DNA remix) - Hopscotch
>I Wanna Rock - Robbie Long and Devastate
>
>Side B
>I Wanna Rock (cont'd)
>Voice of Tomorrow - Vinylgroover
>Feels Like Magic - Vinylgroover
>Thoughts of You (remix) - DJ Stompy
>Love Is - Fade and Bananaman
>All I Need (Is Love) - Elevate
>Heaven - Fade and FX
>
>
>
>


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>I have a new 90 minute tape available.  It covers the spectrum of
>trancecore, happy hardcore and jungle.  E-mail me if you are 
interested!  
>
>DJ Frisky - Sweet Harmony
>
>Side A
>Death By Bongos - Chris Brown
>Liquidizing - Anonymous
>Another Dimension - M-Zone and Fade
>The Project - Metrotech
>Love To Be (remix) - Vinylgroover
>Blue - DHSS
>Acid Groove - DJ Skinner
>Always on My Mind - DJ Hardcore
>Tranquility (Vinylgroover & DNA remix) - Dougal and DNA
>Get on Up - DJ Breeze
>Carousel - DJ Demo
>Hard Harmony - Anonymous
>Natural High - Anonymous
>
>Side B
>Natural High (cont'd)
>Well Wicked - Vinylgroover
>Complete Loving - The Sound Assassins
>Jump Around (Demo remix) - The Slippery Project
>Jungle Brother (Urban Takeover remix) - Jungle Brothers
>Warhead - DJ Krust
>5, 4, 3, 2, 1 - The Penguin
>Rap Records volume 1
>Zion II
>Champion Natty - Tribe of Issachar
>Congo Natty 13
>
>cheers
>chris
>
>
>
>


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>or... in the immortal words of Tit Wrench...
>"rave on, fuckface"

aaahhh...
a sentence/slogan/set.of.words that i fear far too many ppl involved with
this rave thang now a daze are not familiar with.  kind of sad, actually.
*shrug*

>c'mon... lets be punks and pranksters... there are times to 
>contemplate
>the intellectual future of the scene, but there are also times when it
>is necessary to drift away and revel in the moment, in the chaos of 
>the
>now...

this is where myself, and i believe many of the ppl whove been doing this
for a while, currently are.  yeah, sure, there certainly is an aspect (or
two) of the rave scene that are intellectual, political, etcetera.  but,
what happened to just getting crazy?  really?  everyones got to have a
-reason- to do this party thing we call rave.  is there -really- a
reason?  i mean, is there really a political, intellectual, or other such
type of reason to make putting together and partaking of raves worth
while?  i dont think so.  not entirely.  i dont think (as i once used to)
that this whole phenomenon is about accomplishing some great task in the
big picture.  thats always a posibility (and definitely a good thing
if/when it happens), but i dont think its a primary reason for our
existence.

we needa get past all the bullshit that we try and allign ourselves
under.  drug legalization and other such political crap.  yeah, we do
-need- to be involved.  even as a whole, we do -need- to be involved. 
but do we need such garbage to continue on with what it is we do?  isnt
this a big party?  to get together.  to meet ppl.  to hear some seriously
amazing musik (that is hard tohear elswhere).  to learn more of
ourselves.  to learn more of others.  it doesnt -have- to be such a task
to get together, kick it, and do these things.

but, as we will all prolly agree, all that "cause" sort of mentality cant
be forgotten either.  for reals.

so, i think more so than trying to just get down, get crazy, and have a
good time.  and more so than saving the world, uniting the races,
classes, and creeds.

we need to find that happy medium between juvenile party time, and
political/intellectual maturity.

sheeiit...

i dunno what the hell this -really- has to do with anything.  or even
what my original point was.

hrmmm....

*scratching.head*

well, what.the.fuk.evs...

a couple pennies, or some such shit.  :P

jawsh!

np: radio.disney

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youre right



On Mon, 4 May 1998 19:07:17 -0500 (CDT) andrew arnold
<arnold@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> writes:
>i must've spent too much time getting sunburned today because i'm
>obviously not thinking straight.... so i'll just post what i'm 
>thinking
>today. 
>
>temp title outta be 'raves, evolution and us drug policy'. yeah. 
>that'd
>work nice.
>
>anyways... i think that it is fairly obvious that government doesn't 
>have
>my best interests at heart. well, the great thing that government 
>tends to
>do is to preserve the _status_quo_. which is all well and good if 
>you're
>part of the status quo and you serve to make money from it's 
>continuance.
>[money. or power. or both if you like in a post-industrial consumerist
>nation-state. (nice equation here m=p)]
>
>the problem with this is that the status quo neccessarily must come to 
>an
>end because other interests seek to subvert it and replace it [read, 
>raves
>are definitely subversive.] because they are actually _better_ and 
>more
>adaptable than the status quo. 
>
>not only are raves inherantly subversive [yeah!] but so are drugs.
>however, the drug scene has [with the exception of the acid network in 
>the
>country] been converted with few exceptions to a consumerist network
>itself. i will go so far as to say that some drugs are far more 
>subversive
>than others, mdma being the most subversive of all. regretably, drug
>prohibition as a function [which it is] of conservative reactionary
>status-quo mentality converts the sale of mdma into a big capitalistic
>operation instead of the truly subversive operation that it should be.
>
>anyway, mdma purity [a HUGE problem and a definite difference between 
>now
>and say 5 years ago] cannot be assured as long as the u.s. government
>maintains its draconian drug policies. manufacture is just *too* 
>difficult
>for it to be produced by most people [unlike speed] and because there 
>is
>so little of it and so much demand NOW for it that drug dealers, being 
>for
>the most part the capitalists that they are [shame on them/you!] cut 
>it
>repeatedly with increasingly horrible things. i think that as the rave
>scene continues to grow and more kids are exposed to e, the worse the
>purity will become until eventually we reach a point of diminishing
>returns after numerous deaths and scares in the scene prevent people 
>from
>buying it. 
>
>so anyway, unless there are some very brave people out there willing 
>to
>produce huge amounts of the stuff and distribute it in the fashion 
>that
>acid is distributed, we're going to have some very serious problems in 
>a
>year or two. 
>
>of course, the point of this is not to encourage people to break the 
>law
>[because that's just bad] but rather to do the things neccessary to
>support causes which seek to do away with the ridiculous american drug
>policies. 
>
>just some thoughts. flame away.
>
>peace, hugs,
>andrew
>
>

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 05 01:33:45 1998
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From: miss elaine eos <eos@barkingcat.org>
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On Mon, 4 May 1998, jawsh decker wrote:
> 
> we need to find that happy medium between juvenile party time, and
> political/intellectual maturity.

And I think, in time this will happen. I partied my ass off for a couple 
of years. And now I go to school, and party just as hard, just not as much.
But I am going to school to learn to run a radio station, so I can dj and 
work with electronics and be the media. When I graduated from high school 
5 years ago, I had no clue where I was going.  Mostly I was going raving =]

Hopefully, if those who are politicly active continue to inform other 
ravers, more people will get involved.  Remember, a lot of us are hippies 
kids, and hopefully when we have kids, our kids will be even cooler. 
Here in Milwaukee there is a puppet troupe who makes giant puppets for 
political marches and protests.  The group is run buy sue and her son 
eric, my roomate. 

Anyway, ever since earth day, I have been concentrating on conservation. 
I built a compost heap.  It is so cool to put all this stuff in there, 
mix it every week, and then have compost in a month or so.

Riding my bike to school, I have begun to hate cars. The air is nasty.
so ride a bike,
recycle,
ask your friends to recycle,
plant a tree...
cause things HAVE to change, and we are the ones who have to do it.

=)
elaine 
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:40:20 -0500
From: "Zechariah J. Ehnert" <echeola@execpc.com>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
Subject: post this please

Subject-Rite of Spring

I'd like to thank every one who made the Rite of Spring a reality.
First and foremost I'd like to thank everyone who came out to the party
and chipped in there $20 for this event.
Thanks to RADIANT CREATIONS For the inense beyond decorations,
decorations.  The ELECTRORGANIC HABITAT played a huge part in setting
the mood, and of cource their smart drinks, fruit smoothies, and swank
are the best   Contact- mjdesbar@students.wisc.edu     LOOK OUT FOR THE
FURTHER EXPERIMENT!?!?!!??!?!?!
Thanks to LOG SQUARED for the wall of sound, damn I feel bad that we
could't
turn it all the way up cause of noise complaints, the cops did come by
four times.
Also Thank them for the for the intense laser that proped up the logos
names of the
dj's magical symbols and just plain crazyness.  Contact-219-235-7071
Thanks to Badger for providing the best light show we've ever had,  I
realy dig the programming.  Good lights go a long way to providing the
proper enviroment for us to play in.
Thanks to THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF TASTY FOOD for the film loops and
monkey suits.  The wackyness that they provided was beyond compair.
Contact  benholt@hotmail.com
Thanks to
Electric Indigo
Woody McBride
Casper
R. Notorious J.
Effex
Miles Meada
for throwing done killer sets, the night would not have been the same
without them.

Finally I would like to appoligize for the mix up on the two DJ's not
showing up, the mix up had nothing to do with them or me it was an agent

on one and the U.S. government on the other.  Thank you for
understanding and going with the positive vibe and keeping the
negativity that could have erupted under control.  PLEASE SAVE YOUR
WRIST BAND FOR THE NEXT EVENT FOR $5 OFF THE TICKET PRICE!!!!

Remember the electric tribe is what WE are it is not a promotional
group, or anything like that.  It is those who hear the song of the
earth and realize that it's becomming electric.

z
particular malfuntion





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In a message dated 5/4/98 7:23:03 PM, you wrote:

>>I like a lot of the JNCO stlyes.  Baggy and comfortable, but I can still see
>>which shoes I put on that morning.  I got my first pair, khakis, at the
Merry
>>Go Round at Woodfield Mall for $100 almost 3 years ago and have been wearing
>>'em since. 
>
>for 100 bugz, i'd kinda hope ya still sportin 'em! rillyz, thas alotta doh
>to be spendin on khakis. but what kinda money-blowin fool am i to preach
>about ca$h well spent.....

$10....oops!

Darrin

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(Zak tried to post this to mw-raves, but since i haven't seen it, he had
me post it up.  direct any mail to: echeola@execpc.com)

I'd like to thank every one who made the Rite of Spring a reality.
First and foremost I'd like to thank everyone who came out to the party
and chipped in there $20 for this event.
Thanks to RADIANT CREATIONS For the intense beyond decorations,
decorations.  The ELECTRORGANIC HABITAT played a huge part in setting
the mood, and of course their smart drinks, fruit smoothies, and swank
are the best   Contact- mjdesbar@students.wisc.edu     LOOK OUT FOR THE
FURTHER EXPERIMENT!?!?!!??!?!?!
Thanks to LOG SQUARED for the wall of sound, damn I feel bad that we
couldn't turn it all the way up cause of noise complaints, the cops did
come by
four times. Also thank them for the for the intense laser that propped
up the logos
names of the dj's magical symbols and just plain craziness.
Contact-219-235-7071
Thanks to Badger for providing the best light show we've ever had,  I
really dig the programming.  Good lights go a long way to providing the
proper environment for us to play in.  Contact 414-358-1473
Thanks to THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF TASTY FOOD for the film loops and
monkey suits.  The wackiness that they provided was beyond compare.
Contact  benholt@hotmail.com
Thanks to
Electric Indigo
Woody McBride
Casper
R. Notorious J.
Efex
Miles Meada
for throwing done killer sets, the night would not have been the same
without them.

Finally I would like to apologize for the mix up on the two DJ's not
showing up, the mix up had nothing to do with them or me it was an agent

on one and the U.S. government on the other.  Thank you for
understanding and going with the positive vibe and keeping the
negativity that could have erupted under control.  PLEASE SAVE YOUR
WRIST BAND FOR THE NEXT EVENT FOR $5 OFF THE TICKET PRICE!!!!

Remember the electric tribe is what WE are it is not a promotional
group, or anything like that.  It is those who hear the song of the
earth and realize that it's becoming electric.

z
particular malfuntion

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Actually, we know very well we're getting the shaft.  Unfortunately, the 3
biggest production companies who throw parties often are all connected.
Monopoly.  High Prices.  Hopefully kids will learn that their patronage is
their power.


On Fri, 1 May 1998, Chad Sponholz wrote:

> >Following this analogy, the husband would be justified in beating his wife
> >because the wife takes the abuse?  
> >
> >I think not.
> 
> my bad.... that was a terrible analogy on my part.  and after thinking
> about it some more, the 25 dollar price does give non-detroit kids the
> shaft.  the detroit kids just don't know they're getting the shaft. and so
> they really aren't getting the shaft because they don't think they're
> getting the shaft.
> 
> sort of like anal sex...some people dig it, some don't? but then again i'm
> sure it doesn't give the detroit kids sexual pleasure...but i think you get
> what i'm saying.  ohh and in this analogy plus8 would be doing the
> ass-ramming...make no mistake about that.
> 
> so, to those kids who go, i'm saying you can see shit for cheaper...there's
> a free tip to ya.  bitch at the promoters and don't go to their parties if
> they are over $20 because they'll lower the price if enough peeps don't
> show. and if you just happen to have that extra 5 bucks and you end up not
> knowing what to do with it, you can always just send it my way if it makes
> you feel more comfortable.
> 
> i guess i was kind of comparing the kids to the wife...and plus8 was just
> there.. and ughh... 
> my bad :)
> 
> sorry all,
> Chad
> 


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System is Dean.  Analogue System is Gabe, who used to work with Dean.
Subculture is Matt Clarke and Zander, who also used to work with Dean.

On Mon, 4 May 1998, samuel watkins wrote:

> this is slightly of subject, but does anyone know WHO system is?? i.e. who are the promoters?
> 
> jus' wonderin....
> 
> -samuel
> 
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A net meet at 2 AM by the plastik orange fence has been suggested for our
net meet..apparently there will be a fence stationed in one of the
rooms...

all netters are welcome

P.

P.S. if u dont already know consumed is the hawtin party May 9th :)


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>It's only ANOTHER $5 or $10 MORE THAN YOU USUALLY PAY!? Is it worth
>compromising a potentially amazing night in your life for? I don't 
think
>so!


To tell you the truth, I've heard dj's that have blown my mind, for oh.. 
10 bucks, for about 7 hours of fun..
In the future, it'll be.. "hey, it's only 20 bucks more!" If you let 
people raise the prices and support it, they'll think 'hey people will 
pay for this, let's raise it..' I dunno, I see what you're saying 
though, but if I was to pay 40 bucks, I'd better be floating in the 
clouds or somethin

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Nice selection...

I really gotta get my ass to get more choons...

Phil

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>parties.   i kept thinking it was getting shut down every 10 minutes,
>which, of course it did

when did it get busted? my friend was tired and we ended up leaving 
around 4..


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In a message dated 98-05-05 00:08:19 EDT, netmare053@hotmail.com writes:

<< 
 The party was called Kingdom, thrown my Njoy.. (that's all I know of, so 
 if anyone else was part, I apologize) I love that space! every party 
 I've been to there was great. The speakers set up outside blew my mind, 
 especially when I was already dancin out there under the tree.. best 
 party I've been to in awhile
  >>

Damn bro, it was ok but not great.  Were we at the same party?

Brett

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ok, yet again, I'm on the lookout for some peeps to drop a beat.  'cept
this time, I've got my focus on hardcore, gabber, noisecore, breakcore,
speedcore, and all those other -cores of which I have a vague idea about..

I'm actively seeking tapes, as, well, I love the shit and I will
definitely be including music on that side of the spectrum at upcoming
events.  So, if you either spin or make this kind of music, or know
someone who does, lemmie know, either by posting up or by private email.

sex, drugs, 'n gabbah haus,
-pete
[FiZ, rural ameriKa]


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ok heres the price problem:

people want to see people they have heard of, simple
as that. yea yea, its all about the music and it doesnt matter about
the name, blah blah blah, the truth is in order to get enough people to 
break even and pay for the clean space, and decent sound, and
decent lighting, you have to have SOMEONE that people want to see.

and the problem with that is that those people charge roughly one
arm and one leg, which is kind-of a lot.... hehe

and serously, i dont think people realize that even people who only
cost $1000 last year, now they are up around $1500... as long as
these "big names" keep upping their prices, were getting further and further
away from being able to keep our prices even affordable.....



most promoters i know will admit to doing it this way

1. get the music from the people you love
2. get a couple people whom are really well known, and you actually
like also, i try to make sure i only get the ones who have made me shake my
ass
in a serious way at some point in my "one with speaker" career :)

this way, everyone comes out to see those names, which hopefully
kick ass, but are a lot of the time a dissapointment.  and usually end
up rocking out to the people they would have never left the cave to see
in the first place.....

just think of all the partys youve been to where you went to see
the infamous________, and left saying, "... well the headliner was kinda dumb
but all the locals fucking kicked ass...."

of course there are all kinds of exceptions that im sure someone could (and
prob will)
list, but im sure you know what i mean...

so in short, before you start to think your local promoter is 
some money-hungry hoe that needs to be stopped, remember
who we are paying and why... :)


chris
eucalyptus 
np: scientifik @ dexagon


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> The party was called Kingdom, thrown my Njoy.. (that's all I know of, 
so 
> if anyone else was part, I apologize) I love that space! every party 
> I've been to there was great. The speakers set up outside blew my 
mind, 
> especially when I was already dancin out there under the tree.. best 
> party I've been to in awhile
>  >>
>
>Damn bro, it was ok but not great.  Were we at the same party?
>
>Brett
>

Well, the space has memories basically.. and trust me, that party was by 
FAR the best I've been to in months. I give a lot of credit for the 
speakers outside, altho didn't last too long. Lately I really don't 
build up my expectations, because usually it just gets ya down, I had 
fun. :) Lots of cool kids 

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>hrmmm...
>havemnt seen the new styles yet, i take it?
>the 'five-o's?
>the 'kangaroo's?

yeah, (here i go on a stupid fashion tangent) -

JNCO has lost all resemblance of style in order to sell to the moron crowd.
 i mean c'mon, who really wants to have a pair of pants with pockets that
start at the knee and go down?  and then they have a big stupid patch that
covers the entire back leg.  christ.  that might've struck me as cool if it
was a handmade one of a kind pair of pants, but when 1 in 3 high school
"rebels" is wearing them as they try to bum smokes and spare change off me
on state street, it loses its appeal quickly.  

and pants with legs over, say, 45" bottom openings, just automatically look
stupid.  Especially when the kids wearing them don't have the common sense
to cut them off, so there's like 8 inches of denim dragging on the ground
getting all dirty.

sorry to bitch, but phat pants are getting too "phat."

chris

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I don't remember if this party got posted. It's going to be really good.
This has to be the phatest lineup in the Ne, KS, MO, IA area for a
couple years! 
The lineup (the descriptions of musical styles are mine): 

DRC (San Fran) -- Trancey Techno
T-1000 (Detroit) -- Minimal, hard, trancey techno
Sleepy C (Cleveland) -- What are you going to play Sleepy?? This man can
def. throw down the phat house!
Nitro (St. Louis) -- disco house
Madkid (Mpls) -- jungle

And some of the local crew: 
Space Cowboy
Weatherhead
K-Lavon

The promoters are providing some of those little touches like free candy
(300 pounds of it, yo!) that make a party really fun. Afterwards, ppl
are encouraged to bring sleeping gear and can stay there. 

$10 presale/$13 day of show. 

Medicine Wheel Tribe: (402) 435-2316

If you are going, plan to get to Lincoln early. Dave Price a writer for
High-R Frequencies is organizing a scene "conference" to be held from
6-8 pm (the party starts at 9). it will be at Hangar 18 on "O" Street in
Lincoln and will be a chance for the many out of towners coming in for
the party to meet each other, talk about scene issues and maybe make
some positive steps. Info will be included on the party's info line. 

See you on the dancefloor!
-- Robin 
Kansas City
High-R Frequencies magazine

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Speaking of clothing brands...what happened to Piss Poor?

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On 5/5/98, blarfunkular (PHILFART) amazingly wrote the following tezzagipshunt:


>Speaking of clothing brands...what happened to Piss Poor?


The Piss Poor kids probably graduated college and went on to better things.
(or more lucrative ones...)  ;)   I havn't seen their stuff in years.



                                   jp
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                                   <randomly stimulating>



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Well... I t would be really cool if everybody started wearing long denim
dresses that look like one huge pant leg!! Hya hya hya! 

No seriously... if you're comfy in what you wear...wear it. 

Remember: David J Prince felt comfy dancing nekkid on a speaker at the very
first Furthur.

Phil

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In a message dated 98-05-05 01:23:14 EDT, crege@students.wisc.edu writes:

<< 
 sorry to bitch, but phat pants are getting too "phat."
 
 chris >>


Yeah no fuckin shit.  You "phat pants" wearing muthafuckas must spend half
your lives scrubbing all dogshit, acid rain, mud, and the general filth of
having constant contact with the ground, just to enjoy that gosh darn special
pleasure of having some ill-fitting ass trousers that are waaaaaaaay too
fucking long.  Think about it. 

B j

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skinny wrote:

> A net meet at 2 AM by the plastik orange fence has been suggested for our
> net meet..apparently there will be a fence stationed in one of the
> rooms...
>
> all netters are welcome
>
> P.
>
> P.S. if u dont already know consumed is the hawtin party May 9th :)

while the topic of richie's party consumed is up. i might as well reveal some
rumours i heard very recently. i'm not totally sure on how true everything is
but it's all comin' from a very reputable source so...here goes. firstly. the
space of richie's party is goin' to be in some really really nice old temple.
super high ceilings. wonderful accoustics. s'posedly this temple contains
many l'il rooms besides the main rooms. and each of these l'il rooms will
contain interactive gear and other l'il toys.. hrm...also. i have heard that
the sound system in the main room will be a specially designed 3d sound
system such that richie himself as he is spinnin' will be able to control how
you hear things...hrm. not totally sure as to what that'll mean but to me
sounds very much like a larger scale version of what carl craig did at the
cranbrook art museum last summer. if it is. omigawd!!!! that will be the
shit. basically each stack would be playin' something different so that the
sound would be unique to each person depending on where they were standing.
mind you i'm not totally sure if that's what it is... :) i seriously urge
anyone in the area not to miss this "event". it will definitely be worth your
time. money. and effort to make it there...

hope to see you all there.
mikey...


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> Well... I t would be really cool if everybody started wearing long denim
> dresses that look like one huge pant leg!! Hya hya hya! 
> 
> No seriously... if you're comfy in what you wear...wear it. 
> 
> Remember: David J Prince felt comfy dancing nekkid on a speaker at the very
> first Furthur.
> 

so that was his name....





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> so i guess DETRIOT! is not quite the shit (eh?),

hrm. no one ever sed it was. :) but anyone. personally i believe that only
afew detroit promotors are sketchy. there are many excellent promotors who
always throw together quality events...plus8. poorboy. lost city. these
kiddies always throw together great events. not many people complain about
their events...and after all the rumours goin' down about analogue, you gotta
believe that there had to be some reason as to why almost all detroit kids say

shit about them. i duno. personally i support the promoters whom i believe in.

other nights i'd rather sit at home with some friends...i'd say give detroit
another chance. but that's up to you. personally i think consumed's goin' to
be the best party of the year. i don't know tho...i'm not takin' the chance of

missin' it...that's for sure...

mikey...




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coming to Wichita, Kansas -- Saturday May 9, 1998
down to earth productions, in association with skin deep productions,
presents Global Rhythms...

deus/diabolus
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indoor / outdoor venue

presales $8, $10 day of
available at yesterday discs, wichita

skin deep productions -- 316.292.1973
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I thought you kids could use some good vibes!!  We just had a party out here
in southern california that went off like a bottle rocket!!  No security, no
e-tards (except one but we watched out for him), nothing but good friends,
positive NRG, and great music til 8am.

love
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Frey <cfrey@ucla.edu>
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Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 4:57 PM
Subject: Socal-raves kicks ass


>I just wanted to say that E3 was one of the best parties i've been to in a
>long time.  I've only been on the list a few months but I have to admit
>that scrubbers are some of the nicest people I've ever met.  I'm glad that
>I can finally put faces to the hundreds of e-mails I get every day.  I was
>able to meet so many people.
>Thanks to everyone that made this party possible.  It was really fun being
>able to help out before hand and see the party grow to what it eventually
>was.  And thank's to all of the LOCS.  It was cool meeting all of you.  I
>took so many pictures but they'll never live up to the memories that I
>have.  I loved the party so much that I even took a picture of the bouncing
>dirt. :)  It makes me proud to say that I'm part of a list that can put
>together such a positive and fun night.
>
>
>wishing he was a LOC but livin' in the 310
>
>Chris
>




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At 01:40 AM 5/5/98 EDT, you wrote:

>Well... I t would be really cool if everybody started wearing long denim

>dresses that look like one huge pant leg!! Hya hya hya! 


seen it.

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At 01:45 AM 5/5/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-05-05 01:23:14 EDT, crege@students.wisc.edu writes:
>
><< 
> sorry to bitch, but phat pants are getting too "phat."
> 
> chris >>
>
>
>Yeah no fuckin shit.  You "phat pants" wearing muthafuckas must spend half
>your lives scrubbing all dogshit, acid rain, mud, and the general filth of
>having constant contact with the ground, just to enjoy that gosh darn special
>pleasure of having some ill-fitting ass trousers that are waaaaaaaay too
>fucking long.  Think about it. 
>
>B j
>


good good...i can get two of these in one post.  

PANTS TOO LONG?????  right.  ok and drum and bass is getting too bassy and
techno is getting too techy.  what the fuck? what's wrong with extremes?
spandex or funkin' 90 foot wide Galapagos island tortoise shell pants
(immitation, of  course)...who really gives a fuck?  are platform shoes
"too tall"?
do we listen to our music "too loud"?  have you seen hair that is "too
yellow"? or "too green"?

when it comes to clothes or fashion, i  think PEOPLE SHOULD NOT GIVE A SHIT.

you don't hear us phat pant wearin muther fuckers keep constantly bitching
that the frat pant wearin' motherfuckers are ruining the scene...because
they aren't.  so what if people want their pants to drag in shit?  so what
if they are only wearing them to try to look cool?  isn't that the point of
clothes in general. if you believe they aren't succeeding in that goal,
fine.  but just remember that plenty of other people can think the same
about you and be ready to accept that.

now i'm not defending any specific brand...i'm defending people's right to
wear whatever the fuck they want...  someone could run around naked with a
two foot spike through his dick while sucking on a garden hose that's stuck
in his ass hole, and i wouldn't give a fuck as long as it didn't slap me in
the face.

>and pants with legs over, say, 45" bottom openings, just automatically look
>stupid.  Especially when the kids wearing them don't have the common sense
>to cut them off, so there's like 8 inches of denim dragging on the ground
>getting all dirty.

you say this like it's you who has to wash these pants.
 if a little extra material draped from our waist bugs you that much, i
think you have serious problems.  i didn't say you have to like it, just
deal with it because there's really no need to judge a person based upon
what they wear no matter who it is.  

ohh yeah...i thought about it, and i like my pants...yeah i like them a lot.

Chad

flame me...i'm begging you. 


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I've been going to parties for a little over 5 1/2 years now.
Within that timeframe, of over the hundreds of events that I've gone
to all across the midwest and southern Ontario, only a few really
stick out as being something special.  I'd say out of the top six or
seven I can think of, four were +8/Plastikprodukt events and two
others involved Richie Hawtin playing at them.

Now this obviously reflects my bias towards the type of events these
are and the type of music being played at them.  But nights like
Spastik or Jak-O-Lantern... when I try to recall into words what
they meant to me, I fail.  Just thinking about them again now, even
years later, still causes the hair on the back of my neck to rise.
They were something beyond just music and people.  If you were
there, you know.  If you weren't, I can't explain.

They pretty much defined what parties, and even music, means to me.

I have _never_ been anything but satisfied with any +8 event, and in
most every case have been pushed quite beyond that.  Richie has his
detractors, of course, but I feel even they would say that he is
quite uncompromising in the type of experiences he and his crew
attempt to deliver.  Sometimes it doesn't always work as well as
planned (Jak6), but more often than not what is produced is amazing...
and sometimes, close to magic.

It's like a situation where if you had the power to be _anywhere_
else doing _anything_ else, given the choice, you'd be _right there_
doing what you were doing _right then_.  It's an amazing feeling of
empowerment, of completeness, that no amount of money can buy. 

As John Acquaviva and JJ Haws said in an announcement they made at
IO2, "You have to trust the DJ".  And as has been said on this
mailing list time and time again, to go with and support those
people you trust.  

So why are all these people talking shit?  People will lay down $25
for a typical Chicago party where a headliner (or three) won't show,
held in a bad space with crappy sound, poor lights, so-so music and
no vibe... that gets shut down at 3:30am... and people continue to
support these clowns?  I don't get it.

Well, I trust +8/M-nus.  They have _never_ let me down.  And if they
feel a $25 presale is warranted, then I will continue to support
them and attend this event, with just that much higher of an
expectation of something special.  And if Tosh from +8/M-nus has
proclaimed that Consumed will be "the milestone by which our future
events will be measured", I read that as not so much hype, as a 
promise.

Both Richie and Dale (Theorem) both have new albums coming out, of
which they'll both be playing material from (Theroem even being a
live PA).  There's going to be some completely new sound setup.  This is
live PA!).  There's going to be some competely new sound system 
approach.  Online interactivity.  Who knows what else.  Besides,
this is their first full-scale party since... what,
Sickness/Recovery?  To be honest, I think they feel they've been out
of things for a while and have a little something to prove...

I think it'll be something special.  Trust me.



- Craig

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>System is Dean.  


-well that says it all...i mean well maybe people change, but i doubt it. dean has thrown some dope parties in the past, but what i'm reading about tight2 pretty much sums up my last experiences with mr. major before i moved to san francisco....

oh well


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Okey Dokee - thanks to some help, I fix'd a few things on the Rite of
Spring review.

Dan Efex, your picture is now linked. :D

And the MC, Cloud, has been credited. Props to the other MC's who had it
in them to grab the microphone!

--

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Cheers,
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     So glad to see a new convert.  Went to GABBERJUNGLEWAR and got exposed 
     to gabber for the first time in a club.  What can I say--wow.
     
     Don't know of any specific tapes, but Delta 9 rocked.
     
     Look forward to seeing another champaign event, with gabber/hardcore
     it would be even more crazy!
     
     -Giles


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ok, yet again, I'm on the lookout for some peeps to drop a beat.  'cept 
this time, I've got my focus on hardcore, gabber, noisecore, breakcore, 
speedcore, and all those other -cores of which I have a vague idea about..
     
I'm actively seeking tapes, as, well, I love the shit and I will 
definitely be including music on that side of the spectrum at upcoming 
events.  So, if you either spin or make this kind of music, or know 
someone who does, lemmie know, either by posting up or by private email.
     
sex, drugs, 'n gabbah haus,
-pete
[FiZ, rural ameriKa]
     

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apologies if this gets through but I dont think it will



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I don't think this has come across the list yet.  Give it a peak.


- Steven

------ Forwarded message ------
    From: FringeWare News Network <email@fringeware.com>
 Subject: NET - g u e r i l l a s . o f . h a r m o n y
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Sent from: Cinnamon Twist <donut@hooked.net>

 FREE on the WEB:

                        G U E R I L L A S
                               O F
                          H A R M O N Y

                                *

                      C O M M U N I Q U E S
                             F R O M
                              T H E
                            D A N C E
                      U N D E R G R O U N D


A compilation of the best statements to come out of the
house-rave-mutant-youth-psychedelic-trance-dance phenomenon.  Essays,
poems, articles, and manifestos gathered from zines, party handouts,
dead internet sites and other hard to find sources.

None of the usual babble about djs, vinyl, promoters, party, fashion.

Just the straight visionary/philosophical dope:

Where do we come from? What are we doing? Where can we take this?

If there were such a thing as a theory of raving, this is where you'd be
most likely to find it.

Contents:

prelude: to the gathering * opening notes * incense and glowsticks * join
the future! * full moon vibe * house music & planetary healing *
azteknowledgey * children of the evolution * this is the dawning * house
music: the best techno-shamanic cultural virus so far * party politics or
the politics of partying * on scenes and movements * house music =
horizontal communication = healthy planet * the imaginal rave * popular
morganix * going outdoors * rave, ritual and the rebirth of celebration *
mutant love psalm * cybertribe rising  * let your body be free * the
goodvibe begins within * djing as a discipline * generation ecstasy *
r/evolution * roots of trance dance, part i & ii * consciousness & creative
trance * life after rave * closing notes

The map point?

www.hooked.net/~donut/prelude.html

Compiled and edited by Cinnamon Twist.

cinnamon twist
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 05 15:01:03 1998
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Will you guys please stop the fashion talk???

Who cares what people wear.

But speaking of getting silly,  I might add that I was kinda shocked when I
saw a ONE SUPER FAT PANT LEG set of JEANS at a clothing store out here in
Chicago.  Yes that's right, jeans that had only one super fat leg.  It looked
kinda like a long jean skirt.  KRAZY.
Stop the madness.

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  If they charged 5 bux a person for every party there would most likely be
too many people there.  They may use the higher prices as a sort of crowd
control to keep the amount of people to a manageable number.  I don't know
cuz I've never travelled around to see what it's like in bigger cities, but
just a thought.
Peace
Curtis


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nah, the dogshit and all that really attracks chix. You'd be surprised how
many of the female species have come up to me and said is that dog shit on
your jeans? *wink*wink* Ya know how it goes from there..  

>Yeah no fuckin shit.  You "phat pants" wearing muthafuckas must spend half
>your lives scrubbing all dogshit, acid rain, mud, and the general filth of
>having constant contact with the ground, just to enjoy that gosh darn special
>pleasure of having some ill-fitting ass trousers that are waaaaaaaay too
>fucking long.  Think about it. 



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I remember when people bitched because Arash and Kouroush upped the price
on Fantastic Voyage from $15 to $20. That was a party I'd probably pay $25
to go to again... But lately, the prices aren't worth it. I'm sorry, but I
don't feel justified that I'm getting my money's worth if I pay $25 to go
to a party with a few (like 3 or so) "well known" headliners and the rest
local dj's. That's probably why I don't go to parties very often anymore.
Because the high price for a few headliners (be them dj gods or not) and
locals just isn't worth the money to me. If I'm gonna shell out $25, I
want ALL kickass headliners! =) If anyone can remember the line-up of
talent for Fantastic Voyage and the fact that we paid only $20 for it,to
me, now it looks like a good deal. I bet that a LOT of promoters would
want to charge $35-40 for the same line-up we saw for $20.  (many of us
for $15 because that's all we had) There are some reasonable party things
going on, like Even Furthur and possibly another IO type party where they
only charge $25-35 for an ENTIRE WEEKEND with INCREDIBLE amounts of talent
(both known and unknown). These are the events that everyone should
support! You get great talent, and an entire weekend of it. why would I
really want to pay $25+ for one night when I can just wait and get an
entire weekend that's gonna be much more kickass for the same amount of
money???

Maybe it's just that I don't feel the need to have to go out and party
every weekend like I used to. That was when raving controlled me. Now I
control raving. (at least in my life)


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*



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Dang i LUV that radiodistortion test feed!  Listenin to it now *smile*.

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On Tue, 5 May 1998 Mike.Clark@officeware.com wrote:

> 
> Dang i LUV that radiodistortion test feed!  Listenin to it now *smile*.

That is a mixtape which Acid Boy Todd P. did years ago.  It's being 
played on our CD player in repeat mode.  I'm glad you're enjoying it.  
But I think by he end of the week I'll be disabling the Test Broadcast 
thingy, since we know our system works.

Thanks for listening!

- Steven



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 05 16:11:46 1998
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Plus 8 / Consumed

Could someone re-post the information for this party ?  It's been way too
long since I've been to Detroit...

	Joe

PS: To anyone bitching about the price, you are clueless.  It won't just
be a party - it'll be an EXPERIENCE.  We're not talking about Chicago
here...

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Hey, I'll be traveling to Chicago saturday for Damon WIld, Ralphie Dee and
Mike Huckaby for $15.00 pre-sale.  I found the flyer online if anyone wants to
check it out.
http://www.nodal.com/bli_break_front.htm
If anyone is up for a online MEET saturday let me know.
XO

P.S.  I pasted the info below....


Break On Through
Saturday May 9th, 1998
Bliss Industries: (312)409-9089

COME JOIN:

DAMON WILD - Owner Synewave Records - NY.  Damon has been around the world and
has worked with artists such as the Advent, DJ Hell, Joey Beltram and MANY
more.  Come give your respect.

RALPHIE DEE - Industrial Strength Records, Mentality Records.  Straight out of
Brooklyn, NY.  Ralphie has played Mayday, and other crowds in excess of
30,000.  Don't miss his incredible hard techno set.

MIKE HUCKABY - Harmony Park, Record Time DETROIT. Mike has toured Europe,
Japan and more. His skills at the tables and with house music is not to be
missed.

DJ SLUGO - From the south side of Chicago comes this Ghetto House Slammer.
With releases on Dance Mania and Underground Construction, his time has come. 
FUNK better watch out cause Slugo's gonna hurt somebody.

DJ 3D - Chicago's very own Jungle DarkStepper.  3D has releases on Ghetto
Safari, Kultbox, and is currently celebrating a new CD release with Forte
Recording.   

TRAKHEAD STEVE - A Chicago House favorite, from mellow grooves to deep house.
Steve has released tracks through Relief Records, and watch for his new
release coming out soon on Episode Music.

MATT DRUID - Hi Powered Techno & Trance.  From Spiritual and Uplifting to
Hard, Dark and Acidic, DJ Druid will put you under his spell.   Watch for his
new tape release coming out soon.  Bliss Industries, Mushgroove Chicago.

DJ Shaft  -  XXX-Treem Terror from one of Chicago's Hardest Hardcore DJs.  His
set will get you moving on the dance floor harder and faster.  Bliss
Industries Chicago.

Sound By: Diversified Audio Group
Lighting by: Mark Martin.  
Bringing in Cyber Lights, Techno Beams and more.

"Break on Through" will also feature multiple vendors, 
smart drinks, and a tattoo & piercing booth.

$15 pre-sale tickets available at:
Rite of Passage
Tattoo & Piercing
3448 S. Damon
773-254-9231
 
Untitled
2701 N. Clark
773-254-9231

Revolutions
524 N. Water
414-347-1141
(Milwaukee)

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Ok - I got the info.  Please don't send it to me anymore.

Thanks,
	Joe
________________________________________________________________
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dgroove@juno.com - www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik
414-777-DYNAMIC
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     Chicago is an experience, just not always a good one.  Though I've 
     never been to a bad party in Chicago.  I tend to follow the philosophy 
     that you'll only have as much fun as you want to.  Kinda like you only 
     get in return from something what you put into it.  Make sense?
     
     
     Peace,
     E


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Plus 8 / Consumed
     
Could someone re-post the information for this party ?  It's been way too 
long since I've been to Detroit...
     
        Joe
     
PS: To anyone bitching about the price, you are clueless.  It won't just 
be a party - it'll be an EXPERIENCE.  We're not talking about Chicago 
here...
     
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On Tue, 5 May 1998 11:27:44 -0500
Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com writes:

>
>Chicago is an experience, just not always a good one.  Though 
>I've never been to a bad party in Chicago.  I tend to follow the 
>philosophy that you'll only have as much fun as you want to.  Kinda like
you 
>only get in return from something what you put into it.  Make sense?
> 

Don't tell me about Chicago.  I used to live there.  I went to my first
parties there, and, if I broke it down, I've probably been to more
parties there than anywhere else.  Sure, there have been good parties
there in the past, and I'm sure there will be good parties in the future,
but I think it's fair to say that there are more disappointing parties
these days in Chicago than there is elsewhere in the Midwest.  If you say
you've never been to a bad party in Chicago, then you have been very
lucky & selective about what you attend.  I understand the concept of
"Garbage in, garbage out", but having fun at a party doesn't make it a
"good" party.  I've had fun in jail, does that make jail "good" ?
Fortunately there is still hope for Chicago...For now, I recommend
"Remember the Magic" 5/22/98 - 773-509-6437...check it out. 
________________________________________________________________
Joe Carroll - Dynamic Sound & Lighting - Dynamic Groove Productions
dgroove@juno.com - www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik
414-777-DYNAMIC
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In a message dated 5/5/98 11:34:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu writes:

> I remember when people bitched because Arash and Kouroush upped the price
>  on Fantastic Voyage from $15 to $20. That was a party I'd probably pay $25
>  to go to again... But lately, the prices aren't worth it. I'm sorry, but I
>  don't feel justified that I'm getting my money's worth if I pay $25 to go
>  to a party with a few (like 3 or so) "well known" headliners and the rest
>  local dj's. That's probably why I don't go to parties very often anymore.
>  Because the high price for a few headliners (be them dj gods or not) and
>  locals just isn't worth the money to me. If I'm gonna shell out $25, I
>  want ALL kickass headliners! =) If anyone can remember the line-up of
>  talent for Fantastic Voyage and the fact that we paid only $20 for it,to
>  me, now it looks like a good deal. I bet that a LOT of promoters would
>  want to charge $35-40 for the same line-up we saw for $20.  

hmmm, interesting comment there, that promoters WANT to charge that much... i
find that the determining factor is NEED to charge... face it, losing cash on
every party blows ass, i would be so happy just to break even, have a clean
break everytime.... i mean for our last two parties we needed way more people
to break even then our line ups would have brought in, cause face it, as much
as everyone bitches about the big party, seems to be the only one people
support, and as much as everyone bitches about wanting new talent, they still
wanna see teh same names,  when most of these guys know people wanna see them,
and they charge $1000+ face it, that adds up... then sound.. and
travel...hotels... flyers, even if you can do everything cheap you are still
looking at a lot of people to break even... example, we needed 500+ people to
break even at our first party... we got under 200... good learning experience,
taught me that what people say they want, doesn't mean they will support it...
so basically you have to do a fusion of : new talents, unknowns, regional,
locals, headliners big names, that is a balance you need to have so it makes
everyone happy... i prefer the small parties, but there is something to be
said about bigger parties... i dunno... i just know i have more fun at smaller
events

paul



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Whaddup people..

Tonite LeveL 9.0 is bringin you the best in hard and progressive trance
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Ok I'm gettin sick of everyone bitchin about prices and shit...If you don't
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You're right. These are some beautiful tunes.

onelove
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        Sorry, I had no intention of criticizing your views, I was just stating 
my own.  I've lived in Chicago my whole life as well, and about 90% of the 
parties I've been to have been there.  When I said that I had never been to a 
bad party in Chicago, I should have said that I have never been to a bad 
anywhere.  You're right, I am selective about the parties I go to.  Yet I still 
go at least every other weekend if not more.  Basically, if I get a bad vibe 
about a party, I don't go.  This happened this past weekend with Kingdom.  My 
girlfriend and I drove to within a mile or two of the venue, and turned aroud.  
Neither of us felt comfortable enough to justify spending $20.  Instead I had a 
fun night spinning at a friends house.  
        Personnally, I do think that having fun at a party makes it a good 
party.  Sure I've had to listen through some horrible DJ's, met sketchy people, 
and been to parties that got rolled (about 40% of them do actually).  But as 
long as I got to dance one good set, or met one cool person, it makes up for the
bad things I occasionally see.  Isn't having fun the whole point of a party?  
Sure I wish that every party was a life altering ordeal that makes me a better 
person, and some of them have been (Teenage Wasteland, Twisted 2, Love 
Generator, Live on the Decks).  But generally, I go to a party merely to dance, 
listen to music, and have FUN!  If I stop having fun, I'll stop going to 
parties.  Simple as that.  If I had half as many complaints about the scene that
some people on this list seem to have, I wouldn't want to be apart of it.  But 
as it stands, I love parties, regardless of where they are, or what other people
think about them.  We all have our own ideas about what makes a party great, 
that's why promoters bring in different styles of music, new venues, different 
flyers and other things to try and cover as many interests as possible.(There 
are some exceptions to this, but then, aren't there always?)
        If I offended anyone, I'm sorry, I just wanted to express my views to 
everyone on the list.  If any peeps out there have any comments or critisisms, 
please email me or the whole list if it's pertinent.  I really enjoy discussing 
this type of thing with others.  If you want to flame me, please show respect 
(p.l.u.R.) for others, and do it privately.


        E

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Don't tell me about Chicago.  I used to live there.  I went to my first 
parties there, and, if I broke it down, I've probably been to more parties 
there than anywhere else.  Sure, there have been good parties there in the 
past, and I'm sure there will be good parties in the future, but I think 
it's fair to say that there are more disappointing parties these days in 
Chicago than there is elsewhere in the Midwest.  If you say you've never 
been to a bad party in Chicago, then you have been very lucky & selective 
about what you attend.  I understand the concept of "Garbage in, garbage 
out", but having fun at a party doesn't make it a "good" party.  I've had 
fun in jail, does that make jail "good" ? Fortunately there is still hope 
for Chicago...For now, I recommend "Remember the Magic" 5/22/98 - 
773-509-6437...check it out. 
________________________________________________________________
Joe Carroll - Dynamic Sound & Lighting - Dynamic Groove Productions 
dgroove@juno.com - www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik 
414-777-DYNAMIC
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You're right. These are some beautiful tunes.

onelove
Noble

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Clark, Mike wrote:

> Dang i LUV that radiodistortion test feed!  Listenin to it now *smile*.
>
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On Tue, 5 May 1998, Becky Wangenheim wrote:

> want ALL kickass headliners! =) If anyone can remember the line-up of
> talent for Fantastic Voyage and the fact that we paid only $20 for it,to
> me, now it looks like a good deal.

Hey what was the full line up for that party?  That was my first out of
town party and going there my friend Brandon and I had absolutely no idea
who was supposed to be there.  since this party has some sentimental
value, I have tried to find out after the fact.  Heres what I got:  777,
Laurent Garniet, Dave Angel, Heckle+Jeckle, Sleepy C, DBX (?).

> Even Furthur and possibly another IO type party where they
> only charge $25-35 for an ENTIRE WEEKEND with INCREDIBLE amounts of talent
> (both known and unknown). These are the events that everyone should
> support! You get great talent, and an entire weekend of it. why would I
> really want to pay $25+ for one night when I can just wait and get an
> entire weekend that's gonna be much more kickass for the same amount of
> money???

One other way to consider this problem is from the promoters point of
view.  Yes, further and Teenage wasteland are well worth my 25
or more dollars.  That is obvious to me.  However, drop bass is making a
KILLING from these parties.  How many people were at Teenage Wasteland?
6000?  Each paying 25 dollars or so (not to mention the 7 dollars parking
we unexpectedly had to pay).  The math says: Net revenue = $150,000.  The
line up and everything else put together probably didnt cost two-thirds
that.  Am I complaining?  Hell no! That party was awesome. I am just
saying that we could have paid 18 dollars and drop bass would still have
come out ahead. Is drop bass wrong for this?  Right and wrong dont exist
silly.


Adam Meadows

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this sucks, i got knee surgery again on friday + it feels a lot more 
serious than i thought it would. they made a new ligament from a piece of 
my tendon and put a brace on my whole leg. it hurts a lot despite the
massive painkillers. i can walk on my crutches but only for a few minutes
at a time. i am supposed to kind of be able to walk by next friday, then i
can work and finally spin again (yay) and might be able to go to a party
if by some miracle i get a weekend off (family affair might be the only
thing i get to go to all summer, again). oh well :/ at least i'll have
more money...

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On 5 May 1998 ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:

>      So glad to see a new convert.  Went to GABBERJUNGLEWAR and got exposed 
>      to gabber for the first time in a club.  What can I say--wow.

I so much wish I could have gone to that party.  Hardcore and jungle?!?!
And thats it??!?!?! HELL FUCKING YEAH!! 

I am just waiting for some one to _really_ combine jungle and hardcore.
That will be fucking rough!  And I know its been tried a little but it
doesnt have any real support yet and what attempts I have heard are
lacking.

Since all (all as in most that is) sub-genres of jungle end in step and
all subgenres of gabber end in core, this new music will henceforth be
known as: step-core. You heard it here first. Well...probably not.

Adam Meadows


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Anyone know if Q*Ambient jeans are still being made?  I used to have 3 pair,
but one started getting holes in it.  Now I've only got 2 pair left.  I
haven't seen them in local stores for about a year now.  They are definitely
my favorite jeans...Not too big, not too small...Just right.

If any has any Q info, please let me know...

---Cylert


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>But as long as I got to dance one good set, or met one cool person, it
makes up 
>for the bad things I occasionally see.  Isn't having fun the whole point
of a party?

meeting one person, or dancing for an hour... is that worth $25 when it can
be done for free?

something to think about.

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>PANTS TOO LONG?????  right.  ok and drum and bass is getting too bassy and
>techno is getting too techy.  what the fuck? what's wrong with extremes?
>spandex or funkin' 90 foot wide Galapagos island tortoise shell pants
>(immitation, of  course)...who really gives a fuck?  are platform shoes
>"too tall"?

there's a breaking point at where one becomes ridiculous, trying TOO hard
to fit in.  fuck that.

>do we listen to our music "too loud"?  have you seen hair that is "too
>yellow"? or "too green"?

yes, yes, and yes.

>you don't hear us phat pant wearin muther fuckers keep constantly bitching
>that the frat pant wearin' motherfuckers are ruining the scene...

heard it.  many times.

> if a little extra material draped from our waist bugs you that much, i
>think you have serious problems.  i didn't say you have to like it, just
>deal with it because there's really no need to judge a person based upon
>what they wear no matter who it is.  

it's a good way to generalize the fucking idiot ravers who don't know what
djs on and don't know what drugs they're buying.

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At 04:15 PM 5/5/98 -0500, dica! wrote:
>>But as long as I got to dance one good set, or met one cool person, it
>makes up 
>>for the bad things I occasionally see.  Isn't having fun the whole point
>of a party?
>
>meeting one person... is that worth $25 when it can be done for free?
>
>something to think about.

well i thought about it and if that one person i met was dica...then i'd say 
"DANG! it was well worth it!"


Gip


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	drum.n.bass
	
	at

	the laughing cup

	may.10
	may.17
	may.24
	may.31

	9.30pm - 11pm
	after the x.files

	with djs

	CATALYST
	DRAGONFLY

	the laughing cup
	1819 nicollet ave. s.
	minneapolis, mn.

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	sat.may.nine.
	nine.eight

	northfield.mn

	S U G A R
	T W I S T

	djs

	OVERDOSE
	AARON BLISS
	LIL AARON
	DVS1
	TRIP EFX

	plus

	A SURPRISE JUNGLIST

	@

	the center of the universe
	503 1/2 division st (upstairs)
	northfield mn

	507.645.1663

	9pm - 2.30am
	
	$5.00

	info

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	route_one

	presents

	C H E R R Y

	05.16.98
	
	minneapolis

	djs

	DJ.LIQUID
	journees
	san.francisco

	CAT.IN.THE.HAT
	perpetual.groove:route_one
	minneapolis

	AARON.BLISS
	perpetual.groove:route_one
	minneapolis

	CRISP.E
	minneapolis

	WONDERBOY
	minneapolis

	a limited number of tickets will be sold.
	tickets will be on sale for $15.00 each.
	no drugs, alcohol, weapons, or markers.

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	saturday:may09:1998
	chicagos.positive.entity.presents

	P E R P L E X E D

	live.performances.by

	MARK.VERBOS
	deepfried:planet.rhythm:subsounds
	milwaukee/chicago

	DREW.YOUNG
	stay.up.forever:dbn:uk44
	chicago/milwaukee

	vinyl.techniques

	DELTA9
	industrial.strength:dbn
	hardcore.chicago

	BENNY.BLANCO + DJ.PHIX
	strength:contaminated
	chicago.jungletown

	special.compact.disc.spinning.session
	MADDGROOVE
	incredibeets
	chicago

	LADY.D
	for.soul.only
	chicago

	$15.00 admission
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	venue.located.within.chicago.city.limits

	info

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In a message dated 98-05-05 17:16:01 EDT, jabraun@students.wisc.edu writes:

<< > if a little extra material draped from our waist bugs you that much, i
 >think you have serious problems.  i didn't say you have to like it, just
 >deal with it because there's really no need to judge a person based upon
 >what they wear no matter who it is.   >>

It doesn't bother me in the least bit.  I just get a kick out of the fact that
in order to wear those "phat pants" you are willing to scrub the hell out of
the fabric you've been stepping on all day.



Hope that cleared it up.

Brett

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errr...ummmm....my car is about to die...it hasn't run for seven days
straight for a long, long time.  so, since i'm afraid to drive it i was
wondering if anybody is swinging through bloomington (tree city, indiana)
on their way up to this jam? I know it's a long shot and a lot for me to
ask...picking up some stranger and hauling him 300 miles to some party,
but i assure you i'd be on my best behaviour, not take up too much room,
be more than willing to help with gas, and promise not to mess up your car
with chocolaty hand-prints on the windows or interior.  

i'm really not that bad, but if you want to duct tape my mouth shut and
throw me in the trunk until we get to the site, i'd be up for it....i'm
just really, really desparate to go!  

thanks,

bob




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On Tue, 5 May 1998, dica! wrote:

> >But as long as I got to dance one good set, or met one cool person, it
> makes up 
> >for the bad things I occasionally see.  Isn't having fun the whole point
> of a party?
> 
> meeting one person, or dancing for an hour... is that worth $25 when it can
> be done for free?
> 
> something to think about.
> 

Money is stupid.  

-danXanthous

and yes I do think a candy bar is worth a lousy buck!:)





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um, no one's pointed this out, but DRC is booked for both these parties
on the same night...

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I had a fabulous time on this night.  It was at a space I love, I've
been to a few other parties there, and both of them were some of my
favorite times, a small portion of them, anyhow.  There was two rooms,
and ...the huge courtyard in between :)  The music was ok at first,
but it was fuckin awesome a little more into the night.  It was thrown
by n'joy - and for various reasons, I must say, this was a really kewl
party!  Alot of real kewl kids came out, and had ourselves a good
time.  Unfortunatly, I never saw the flyer for this party, so...I
wasn't educated on who was spinning, which curiously left a void - no
one for me to anticipate their set?? Ah well..what I did hear was damn
good.  When I saw speakers set up outside, I was like HELL YEAH!! 




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I was wondering if someone in Rave land could hook me up with some 
jnco's at a good price.  Somewhere around 20 bucks.  $25 is way too 
expensive, and if any candy raver tried to sell me that shit, i'd flame 
them off the list and bitch about it for 2 weeks.
I need my pants to be really phat, about 100 inches at the leg, and 
short enough that I can walk without tromping around in dog shit.

Fuck it, i'm comfy in my wrangler nut huggers,
i'll save my money for smacked up E or somethin'

peace
quit bitchin'
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--- dica! wrote
>there's a breaking point at where one becomes ridiculous, trying TOO 
>hard to fit in.  fuck that

Hmm, I wear bigger pants, and even my "hick" friends give me less shit than
I expect you people would.

>> if a little extra material draped from our waist bugs you that much, i
>>think you have serious problems.  i didn't say you have to like it, just
>>deal with it because there's really no need to judge a person based 
>>upon what they wear no matter who it is.  
>it's a good way to generalize the fucking idiot ravers who don't know 
>what djs on and don't know what drugs they're buying.

Any type of generalization is ok in my book as long as you don't apply it
to an individual.  You can say for the most part people like that are .....
 but to just see somebody wearing big pants and to call them idiot ravers
seems stoopid to me.  

When I started going to parties big pants were something I hadn't really
ever seen before.  I bought a couple pairs, cuz I thought they looked cool,
I'm sure there was a little thought in my head that it was to fit in, but
mainly just cuz they look good on me I think.

About not knowing what DJ's on, I usually have a pretty good idea of what
is going on and who who is, but there have been a couple times when I've
started dancing to one DJ and not even noticed when the next guy comes on.
 I seem to hear your opinion of parties and not paying big bux to see big
name DJ's with an attitude of as long as the music is good who cares who it
is.  That's the way I feel, but if you are going to say that makes me a
stoopid raver, because the DJ's name isn't on the top of my priority list
then oh well.

Bu bye,

Curtis



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 If I were to throw a party this is how I'd do the price thing, prolly
wouldn't work very well, but who knows.  Like charge what I thought would
get me to make a little money, give everybody a unique ticket err sumthing
when they come in and after say 5am everybody that leaves gets their % of
the profit back in exchange for their ticket as they walk out the door.
That'd keep people at the party a little longer, since it seems that people
like to clear out at like 3 or 4 and it'd keep people from bitching about
the money.  I'd make a minimal profit prolly, but if everybody stuck around
til the end, then I'd imagine it was a good party, making me happy, and
they'd get what they paid for.  If you think this is dumb, oh well, just a
thought.
Peace
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>Well... I t would be really cool if everybody started wearing long 
>denim
>dresses that look like one huge pant leg!! Hya hya hya! 

you dunno how right on you truly are.

i seen that shit (one legged dresses that look -sorta- like a big ass
pair of pants) at the local raver outfitter.  strange...

jawsh!

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>JNCO has lost all resemblance of style in order to sell to the moron 
>crowd.

i dunno bout dat.
quality is gettin better.
designs are varrying more.
that aligns more -with- fashion than away from it.

> i mean c'mon, who really wants to have a pair of pants with pockets 
>that
>start at the knee and go down?

me.

>and then they have a big stupid patch 
>that
>covers the entire back leg.  christ.  that might've struck me as cool 
>if it
>was a handmade one of a kind pair of pants, but when 1 in 3 high 
>school
>"rebels" is wearing them as they try to bum smokes and spare change 
>off me
>on state street, it loses its appeal quickly.  

mebbe loses its appeal.
but the pants are still what they are.
were forgetting that the pants are not inherently evil.
its the losers who wear them.
and not all who wear them are losers.

we seem to be heading off on this snobbish raver tangent, in a way.  only
kool raver kids can wear phat pants.  what is that bullshit?  theres no
law...  get off your high fukkin horses, kids.  if someone has the 60 to
80 bucks for some kicks, they can wear em.  simple as that...

>and pants with legs over, say, 45" bottom openings, just automatically 
>look
>stupid.

to you.

>Especially when the kids wearing them don't have the common 
>sense
>to cut them off, so there's like 8 inches of denim dragging on the 
>ground
>getting all dirty.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
i dont really like leather and spikes and holes.
but when is was into punk, i did.
its all a matter of opinion.
and what kinda eyes youre looking at things thru.
really...

>sorry to bitch, but phat pants are getting too "phat."

again,
a matter of opinion...

*shrug*

same with me, too...

jawsh!

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both sides of this 'debate' are a matter of opinion.  and on top of that,
are relative.  its moot...  you cant argue right or wrong over these
sorts of things...  you can only argue...

jawsh!


>>PANTS TOO LONG?????  right.  ok and drum and bass is getting too 
>bassy and
>>techno is getting too techy.  what the fuck? what's wrong with 
>extremes?
>>spandex or funkin' 90 foot wide Galapagos island tortoise shell pants
>>(immitation, of  course)...who really gives a fuck?  are platform 
>shoes
>>"too tall"?
>
>there's a breaking point at where one becomes ridiculous, trying TOO 
>hard
>to fit in.  fuck that.
>
>>do we listen to our music "too loud"?  have you seen hair that is 
>"too
>>yellow"? or "too green"?
>
>yes, yes, and yes.
>
>>you don't hear us phat pant wearin muther fuckers keep constantly 
>bitching
>>that the frat pant wearin' motherfuckers are ruining the scene...
>
>heard it.  many times.
>
>> if a little extra material draped from our waist bugs you that much, 
>i
>>think you have serious problems.  i didn't say you have to like it, 
>just
>>deal with it because there's really no need to judge a person based 
>upon
>>what they wear no matter who it is.  
>
>it's a good way to generalize the fucking idiot ravers who don't know 
>what
>djs on and don't know what drugs they're buying.
>
>::::::::::: jon/dica ::::::::::: jabraun@students.wisc.edu 
>::::::::::::::::
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>:rinsin' out every thurs. nite, 12-3am central time at 
>http://www.msr.org :
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>zoiks :::
>

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yes!  another person who realizes that no matter how much anyone tries to say
anything to the contrary, we are all involved with some kind of fashion.
especially our own.  if we didn't adhere to some fashion principle, we would
be wearing megamass-produced coveralls made from tyvek lined with neoprene
and advanced wicking polyester ( in the material's most efficient color ).

anyone who says they hate big jeans because they hate fashion is only proving
themselves to be a hippocrate (sp?).  it's fashion when you wear what you
want.  that's just a cold hard fact that can be proved by anyone who has a
head for semantics and dictionary analysis.

anyways

chris


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   OK, ENOUGH ABOUT THE CLOTHES ALREADY!!!! 

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Anyone know of some good mixing programs? ( cakewalk ect..)

Love, Amy

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Hi, I'd just like to make one clarification. I happen to screenprint
t-shirts for both Gabe from Analogue Systems and for Dean from Syst3m. I
see constantly that people blur the lines between these organizations
and just wanted to clarify that they are two separate things.

1) They ain't the same group under different names. They did collaborate
for New Years, but I don't think that would happen again.

2) Syst3m will be not doing any parties until the end of summer.

And yes, Gabe and his mother both were arrested after the Tight 2 party,
apparently the police kept asking for the rest of the money. They got
out at around noon the next day. It doesn't sound very convenient to get
your party busted when your mum goes down too.

Anyway, I just wanted to throw some more facts into it.


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datamyte forwarded:

>
> Subject:       anyone we know?
>
> I have a hard time believing anyone is this stupid but perhaps there
> are
> a few totally clueless people out there.
>
>  This is a true story from the WordPerfect helpline. Needless to say
>  the helpdesk employee was fired; however, he/she is currently suing
>
> the WordPerfect organization for "Termination without Cause".
>  Actual dialog of a former WordPerfect Customer Support employee:
>  "Ridge Hall computer assistant; may I help you?"
>  "Yes, well, I'm having trouble with WordPerfect."
>  "What sort of trouble?"
> "Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went
>   away.",
> "Went away?"
> "They disappeared."
> "Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?"
>  "Nothing."
>  "Nothing?"
>  "It's blank; it won't accept anything when I type."
>  "Are you still in WordPerfect, or did you get out?"
>  "How do I tell?"
>  "Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?"
>  "What's a sea-prompt?"
>  "Never mind. Can you move the cursor around on the screen?"
> "There isn't any cursor: I told you, it won't accept anything I
>   type."
>  "Does your monitor have a power indicator?"
>  "What's a monitor?"
>  "It's the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV. Does it
>  have a little light that tells you when it's on?"
>  "I don't know."
>  "Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the
> power
>  cord goes into it. Can you see that?"
>  "Yes, I think so."
>  "Great. Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it's plugged
> into the wall."
>  ".......Yes, it is."
>  "When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were
> two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?"
>  "No."
>  "Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the
>  other cable."
>  ".......Okay, here it is."
> "Follow it for me, and tell me if it's plugged securely into the
> back of  your computer."
>  "I can't reach."
> "Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?"
>  "No."
>  "Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?"
>  "Oh, it's not because I don't have the right angle - it's because
> it's dark."
>  "Dark?"
>  "Yes - the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming
>
> in from the window."
>  "Well, turn on the office light then."
>  "I can't."
>  "No? Why not?"
>  "Because there's a power outage."
>  "A power... A power outage? Aha, Okay, we've got it licked now. Do
> you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer
>
> came in?"
>  "Well, yes, I keep them in the closet."
>  "Good. Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like
>
> it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it
>  from."
>  "Really? Is it that bad?"
>  "Yes, I'm afraid it is."
>  "Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?"
>  "Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer."
>
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I think you'll get a kick out of this!  Kristy

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I know some people like this


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Oh my gosh,,, you guys do have to read this.....

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Subject:       anyone we know?

I have a hard time believing anyone is this stupid but perhaps there 
are
a few totally clueless people out there.

 This is a true story from the WordPerfect helpline. Needless to say
 the helpdesk employee was fired; however, he/she is currently suing 

the WordPerfect organization for "Termination without Cause".
 Actual dialog of a former WordPerfect Customer Support employee:
 "Ridge Hall computer assistant; may I help you?"
 "Yes, well, I'm having trouble with WordPerfect."
 "What sort of trouble?"
"Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went 
  away.",
"Went away?"
"They disappeared."
"Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?"
 "Nothing."
 "Nothing?"
 "It's blank; it won't accept anything when I type."
 "Are you still in WordPerfect, or did you get out?"
 "How do I tell?"
 "Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?"
 "What's a sea-prompt?"
 "Never mind. Can you move the cursor around on the screen?"
"There isn't any cursor: I told you, it won't accept anything I 
  type."
 "Does your monitor have a power indicator?"
 "What's a monitor?"
 "It's the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV. Does it
 have a little light that tells you when it's on?"
 "I don't know."
 "Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the 
power
 cord goes into it. Can you see that?"
 "Yes, I think so."
 "Great. Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it's plugged 
into the wall."
 ".......Yes, it is."
 "When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were 
two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?"
 "No."
 "Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the
 other cable."
 ".......Okay, here it is."
"Follow it for me, and tell me if it's plugged securely into the 
back of  your computer."
 "I can't reach."
"Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?"
 "No."
 "Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?"
 "Oh, it's not because I don't have the right angle - it's because 
it's dark."
 "Dark?"
 "Yes - the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming 

in from the window."
 "Well, turn on the office light then."
 "I can't."
 "No? Why not?"
 "Because there's a power outage."
 "A power... A power outage? Aha, Okay, we've got it licked now. Do 
you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer 

came in?"
 "Well, yes, I keep them in the closet."
 "Good. Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like 

it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it
 from."
 "Really? Is it that bad?"
 "Yes, I'm afraid it is."
 "Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?"
 "Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer."






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I know I sound like a hypocrite, take my word all is well now...
I am also not a raver, I dance but am definitely not a raver... well
whatever, you are correct from your perspective, but I stopped talking
smack a while ago when I realized people where taking it seriously

sorry to you all

OD


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Damn, damn, damn, you guys are driving me crazy, I had to wade through knee
deep mail about fat pants to find somthing interesting, please kill this
string afore it kills us, who cares what other people wear, wory about
yourselfs... 

od

P.S. sorry to flip out but it took me like 20 minutes to get my mail only
so that I could through 75% of it away... 


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cheers ro craig/archon comments re: plus8 events....i have always had a
good time...its especially nice to go to a party and not be drowning in
club like attitude....plus8 parties are like the ol days...:)

P.


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I'd do the same thing...  that was one dumb call.

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In a message dated 98-05-05 17:59:05 EDT, chemical@cxo.com writes:

<< um, no one's pointed this out, but DRC is booked for both these parties
 on the same night... >>

Sure it's the same DRC?  There's the 'trance dominatrix' from San Fran and 
another DRC from the southern region so I hear...but....I could be wrong :)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Zoki Stancevic <Zorica.Stancevic-1@tc.umn.edu>
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|> Well... I t would be really cool if everybody started wearing long denim
|> dresses that look like one huge pant leg!! Hya hya hya!

I saw a guy one night in Dayton, just out on the street, who had taken a
pair of JNCs and stitched them into a skirt. It was definitely neat looking.

-andrew byrd-
byrdam@email.uc.edu
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>>there's a breaking point at where one becomes ridiculous, trying TOO hard
>to fit in.  fuck that.

the thing is...what people have been preaching for years, is that there
isn't anyone (when it comes to "raving") that doesn't fit in...
everyone is an individual.  everyone is a beautiful, unique, glorious being
and we are told to see past the materialistic bullshit.
i live by this, inside parties and out.  i love everyone for who they are
and what they add to my human experience.
i'm not saying others "should", i'm just saying that at least for me, it
allows me to be more laid back and not worry so damn much about something
so trivial as the size of another's pants.  

so you don't think everyone is beautiful, ok.  but even you know there are
exceptions to every rule, so why do you state your opinions as the end-all
be-all of what raving should or should not be?  i don't like your vision...
it seems to be pretty boring.
  
what you are saying is that because my pants are bigger than average (i
want to stress that word average) i do drugs and don't know shit about
what's going on, even though you didn't say it to me directly, you still
implied it by making that generalization.

i don't drink, smoke, do drugs (except pot VERY occasionally) i know who's
on or who's playing, basically, i don't fit your generalization...so,
obviously, there must be something you've missed when you've decided that
generally all people who wear these pants are this way.  you might as well
say that everyone who goes to parties is this way.

trying TOO hard to fit in...i don't think so.  i like not being accepted by
you, or others like you.  i never thought wearing big pants would bring me
such pleasure.. .i can now feel like a rebel just by slipping a pair of
grinds on.

think i need to beat off.

>>do we listen to our music "too loud"?  have you seen hair that is "too
>>yellow"? or "too green"?
>
>yes, yes, and yes.

perhaps i would be more receptive to your opinion if it was stated as such.

>>you don't hear us phat pant wearin muther fuckers keep constantly bitching
>>that the frat pant wearin' motherfuckers are ruining the scene...
>
>heard it.  many times.

did you? or are you just saying that to try to have a point?  in my time on
this list (which i'll give you is not that long) i've never seen anyone say
that frat pants are the root of all evil.  i've never heard it in person
either.

>it's a good way to generalize the fucking idiot ravers who don't know what
>djs on and don't know what drugs they're buying.

these "fucking idiot ravers" , as you so ellequently put it,  aren't just
going to know these things by osmosis.  instead of making hasty
generalizations and giving salty looks when these people ask me who is on,
I smile tell them and be happy that someone cares.  

i'd like to take the time here to paste something that a friend not
affiliated with this list wrote...seems everyone wants in on the action.  i
dont' think it's necessarily the fashion we are talking about though...it's
more about how we deal with what people wear.

>just got done reading that JNCO shit.... how funneeeee!  my first
>impression was exactly what you wrote--the "not like you have to wash 'em"
>comment.  i KNOW my pants get dirty when i wear 'em... in fact i just wore
>my 54' bottom ones yesterday and even my socks got dirty.  but i love those
>pants, and damn anyone who can't handle it!!! <and that shit about the 2
>foot spike-in-the-dick naked guy was so silly i almost snotted out of my
>little red nose!>

>i never thought i'd see a day when ravers would pick on other ravers for
>such petty shit... i have bigger fish to fry.  i'd rather worry about how
>healthy i am (or you are) than bitch about how fucking big someone's pants
>are.  i mean, people <including ravers> are going HUNGRY!  fuck that petty
>bullshit.  all that tells me is that people like that have too much time on
>their hands.  i mean, who do they think they are, the raver aristocracy?!?!
 ><blow nose again>


to all the people who want the fashion thread to stop....i got four words
for you M. D. M. A.
just bear with it. mmmk?  

Peace,
Chad

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><< um, no one's pointed this out, but DRC is booked for both these 
>parties
> on the same night... >>
>
>Sure it's the same DRC?  There's the 'trance dominatrix' from San Fran 
>and 
>another DRC from the southern region so I hear...but....I could be 
>wrong :)

well, yeah.  theres DRC from the west coast.  theres a D:RC from, um,
well somewhere.  and i bet theres other DRCs out there, too...

but, lets not forget, its not -entirely- unheard of for a dj (a good one)
to play two (or more) shows in a night.  its been done many times
before...

jawsh!

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I believe they still sell here in Dayton... I vaguely remember a few mates
of
mine rambling about that not to long ago... Ohh well...

later,

o0o[qiB.]o0o

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Page <page@simon.wustl.edu>
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>Anyone know if Q*Ambient jeans are still being made?  I used to have 3
pair,
>but one started getting holes in it.  Now I've only got 2 pair left.  I
>haven't seen them in local stores for about a year now.  They are
definitely
>my favorite jeans...Not too big, not too small...Just right.
>
>If any has any Q info, please let me know...
>
>---Cylert
>




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PHUNGUS presents:
another installment of all night drum and bass MAYhem.

AMAZON 06
May 22.1998
International Ballroom. Atlanta, GA.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Featured turntable talent:

DOC SCOTT & MC JUSTIYC
[Metalheadz I 31 Records, UK]

DJ LEE
[Timeless I Metalheadz, UK]

Metalheadz main man,DJ/ producer extraordinaire. Doc Scott is widely
respected as a man of many talents. He's responsible for pioneering tracks
such as "Here Come The Drumz" and "Shadowboxing" (under his guise 'Nasty
Habits') and continues to be on the forefront of drum and bass today.
For this first Atlanta date, he's pairing up with MC Justiyc and fellow
Metalheadz camp member DJ Lee to recreate the vibe of the famous Blue Note
Sunday sessions.

Stellar supporting cast>>

DANIEL
[Hypersonic, Greensboro]

MK2
[M.A.D.Base, Nashville]

BOBBLE
[20 Hz Cartel, Rewind Records, Atlanta]

BIRDMAN
[Satellite Records, Xylophone Jones, Rydim Ryderz, Atlanta]

duda
[Playtheavy Kru, 20 Hz Cartel, Phungus, Athens]

D:RC
[Phungus, Playtheavy Kru, Athens]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$15 before midnight I $20 after
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Doors open @ 10pm.

Directions>>
International Ballroom Atlanta
Take I-85, I-75, to I-285, to Buford Highway
(exit 25) turn north, I'Ball is 1.5 miles on the left @
corner of New Peachtree and Buford Highway.

Info line>>
706.546.9447

Promoters I VIP's etc>>.Guest list requests must be submitted by May 16th.
There will be no exceptions.


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> Anyone know of some good mixing programs? ( cakewalk ect..)
----
speaking of programs (not sequnecer!), has anyone here used
the new rebirth with mods?? looks really neat...just wondering
if it is as good as it looks.

john.dove
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> the thing is...what people have been preaching for years, is that there
> isn't anyone (when it comes to "raving") that doesn't fit in...
> everyone is an individual.  everyone is a beautiful, unique, glorious being
----
going to parties these days and i see anything but individuality.
pple dress the same...talk the same..dance the same. be idealistic all
you want, but the fact remains. it is not unity, it is monotony.
when i went to my first party almost 5 years ago (9 more days!), i was
blown away by what i saw...it was more like an alternative hangout..
you got your goths, skaters (me at the time), clubbers, dealers,
players, etc. together in an empty warehouse -- that was unity.
you can be as cool as clark gable (nuskoolers: "who?!?!") and say
"frankly, m'dear, i dont give a damn", but it is disheartening for me to 
see the scene i once knew like it is today. but hey, i only go to these
things for the music and dj's (and girls!) these days :>

> >i never thought i'd see a day when ravers would pick on other ravers for
> >such petty shit... i have bigger fish to fry.  i'd rather worry about how
----
therein lies the problem of the argument - what is a raver? 
while theres probably no one correct answer, i think the hip-hop idealogy
would fit here too -- keep it real, pay your dues, no fakes, etc.
(please dont try to answer the hypothetical question...it would only
cause a looong thread no one cares to read about).
i mean, one can go down to a suburbia mall and buy a 'phat' outfit, pick
up some cd's at sam goody's and proclaim his/herself a raver.
am i too pessimistic? probably..but..
i am hungry, got papers to write, books to read, sir-mix-a-lot to listen
to (flavor of the moment - booty rap), so i am, as they say, out.

baby got back,
john.dove
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i had to get this out, and i hope that at least one person can see my 
point of view.

i have only been going to parties for about 2 years now, actually, not 
even that long...my old skool friends tell me how much the scene has 
changed, yet i only see what i see now. i hear that there was a time 
that PLUR really existed, and that the "preppy" kids (and i do use that 
term losely) didn't feel out of place because they weren't wearing "phat 
pants." a friend of mine came with me to a party last year, and she 
ended up leaving because she felt out of place walking around in her 
cK's.  it seemed like everyone she walked by did a double take, or just 
stared at her, like she was invading some sort of secret clubhouse 
meeting.  the whole reason that she was there was to experience a 
different walk of life, which was one of the reasons i went to my first 
party.  what she believed she saw was a stuck up group of people who 
didn't want any outsiders.  i have to say that i do not totally disagree 
with her, but i am not making any generalizations about the scene, 
either...its the fact that there are always those few ppl that can ruin 
a good thing for everyone. 

i can count more than one time where i have been at a party, and it 
seemed like i was back in high school or something.  i am not by any 
means saying that everyone has to like everyone, get to know everyone, 
talk to everyone...blah blah blah...but there are those ppl that seem so 
judgemental of everyone else.  my motto in life is "to each their own" 
not to be taken in a bad way, but rather to accept ppl for who they are, 
and not what they look like.  it's like the old saying we have all heard 
since we were young..."don't judge a book by it's cover"       

sure, there are probably those that go to parties to "be cool", or 
non-party kids who wear phat pants because they feel like being rebels.  
as mentioned by other ppl...*who cares???*  my 15 year old sister wears 
'em because she likes them...she would go to parties except for the fact 
that my parents are strict.  i don't call her a poser for it, i admire 
her take-no-bullshit 'attitude. she does what she wants, when she wants, 
and doesn't care what anyone else thinks.

to those of you who want to call me a poser...fuck you. i am not going 
through all of my reasons for going to parties, because it would be 
boring, and i don't feel like defending them.

thanks to those who took the time to read my drivel...

peace.
r.










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I noticed this also but didn't really think about it too much.
DJs do this a lot in California (where DRC is from) and it is usually never a problem unless the sets they are spinning are too close together and they cannot get to the second party in time to start.
If the slots are close together - shame on DRC - or the promoter that tried to hook him second. If the sets are far enough apart to allow him to get from the first party to the second in time, then there is no problem, unless someone gets upset because they didn't get to hang out with him.
This is just my view, so if you want to flame, go ahead. I know where the delete button is.

Peace out!

Mike

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> on the same night...
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At 10:59 PM 5/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>5.30.98
>the muvement presents 
>
>                      MUSIC IS MUSIC
>                           featuring

what city is this?  and why are they bothering to go against the almighty
FURTHUR?

too bad... biz markie would be cool as hell.

chris

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Okay..here's the new look for ravers...


FLESH COLORED BODY SUITS!!! A pair of dress socks w/ the garter belt and a
cumberbund. Oh yeah! No more bagginess!! Just everybody walking around w/
dress sock, a cumberbond and no genetailia! Hya hya!

Phil

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I guess my new look isn't so original anymore... *sigh*

*starts taking off cumberbund*

craig/xotis/spree

>
>Okay..here's the new look for ravers...
>
>
>FLESH COLORED BODY SUITS!!! A pair of dress socks w/ the garter belt 
and a
>cumberbund. Oh yeah! No more bagginess!! Just everybody walking around 
w/
>dress sock, a cumberbond and no genetailia! Hya hya!
>
>Phil
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>speaking of programs (not sequnecer!), has anyone here used
>the new rebirth with mods?? looks really neat...just wondering
>if it is as good as it looks.


the only thing different between a rebirth mod and the original besides the
graphics is the 808 drum noises. the 303 part, and the rest still sounds the
same, but on the mods there are different drums and even loops, depending on
the mod. lots and lots of fun. rebirth 2 will be out in june, and its going
to have both a 808 AND 909 drum section! can't wait :)


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On Tue, 5 May 1998, Art Vandelay wrote:

> ----
> going to parties these days and i see anything but individuality.
> pple dress the same...talk the same..dance the same. be idealistic all
> you want, but the fact remains. it is not unity, it is monotony.
> when i went to my first party almost 5 years ago (9 more days!), i was
> blown away by what i saw...it was more like an alternative hangout..
> you got your goths, skaters (me at the time), clubbers, dealers,
> players, etc. together in an empty warehouse -- that was unity.
> you can be as cool as clark gable (nuskoolers: "who?!?!") and say
> "frankly, m'dear, i dont give a damn", but it is disheartening for me to 
> see the scene i once knew like it is today. but hey, i only go to these
> things for the music and dj's (and girls!) these days :>

you bring up an interesting point I think.  These same people (goths,
skaters, clubbers, etc.) if they really enjoyed the event called rave, are
probably still around today, like you, but are now simply ravers.  They
fit the mold of their group at the time (the dress, the look, the act).
Why is it suprising they now fit the look of the raver? 

I know this topic has been debated thoroughly in the past and will be
debated again the future.  Of course there is no answer really since
there is really no question.  People will continue to act like people.  We
feel the need to conform and consolidate.  It is natural response created
through millions of years of evolution.  We even give it its own letter in
PLUR it is so important to us.

I dont think that the great feeling of unity would be so strong if not for
the conformity. It says I am among friends and I am strong and safe. Not
quite as strong as sexual desire or hunger but definitely a plus in battle
to pass on ones genes. Good luck!

I love evolutionary sociology,
Adam Meadows



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Fuck it... everybody go nekkid )except for me. I won't be that cool)

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yes the rebirth mods sound even better than they look some though are
pretty limited on what they can do. try getting ahold of ReNovator it
allows you to make your own custom mods. 

AC



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On Wed, 6 May 1998, PHILFART wrote:

> Fuck it... everybody go nekkid )except for me. I won't be that cool)
> 

But then doesn't that make you cool again?

Oh, gosh darn, I just dont know what to think anymore.


Adam Meadows


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come off the JNCO gab.  mutual respect for your brother and sister.
remember plur?  if you dont get it, then you were just born too late (and
maybe even in the wrong place) and missed out on the REAL rave culture that
SEEMS to be digressing/fading by silly jibberish like this.  its the spirit
and the music and the dancing, NOT the drugs and the fashion and the promos.
why cant we all just get along?

happy trails, aaron


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hi everyone
first off good luck on finals and such to anyone taking them .  i am luckily
through with them tomorrow....
anyway ok so i was talking to my friend today who's been in the
scene for about 5 years now and he was complaining about how there
is little to no plur anymore and how all the kids are a bunch of druggies,
in particular glassheads, but that's a whole other discussion.  he said he
was about to give up on parties altogether. i told him he can't because
when people who know what plur is about give up on the scene, it's
done for.  in short, what i'm trying to say is that okay we all know things
aren't how they used to be, but that doesn't mean we can say fuck it. 
it's up to us to make a change.  sure there's cracked out kids huddled in
corners with no perception of their surroundings other than they are at a
rave and that's "cool".  but there are those kids at the parties who know
they are at a rave to participate in something greater than themselves, to
share in the vibe created when we gather together.  sure things may
suck really bad at times, but don't lose hope.  when we give up, all is lost
and there is no point in anything anymore.  it seems to me that the people
on this list obviously don't want plur to die.  so what if we all make a
conscious attempt at our next party to create instances of plur?  there's
enough people on this list that i'm sure it would make a difference.
just my thoughts....
rachel

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I don't seem to be getting mail from the list anymore, and I never
un-subbed. Anyone else having troubles? I called my server and they said
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> you bring up an interesting point I think.  These same people (goths,
> skaters, clubbers, etc.) if they really enjoyed the event called rave, are
> probably still around today, like you, but are now simply ravers.  They
> fit the mold of their group at the time (the dress, the look, the act).
> Why is it suprising they now fit the look of the raver? 

sorry, but I gots to take issue with you here
to begin with, I've been going to parties for almost 4 years, punk/ska
shows for about 7, & love all types of music from industrial to
classical (excluding country and R&B), so I'm not sure which of your
labels apply to me.  the whole concept of raving for me has always
correlated with the idea that there is no "look of the raver"; i.e.
raves were a way to celebrate individuality as opposed to conforming
to any type of group mentality. 

> I know this topic has been debated thoroughly in the past and will be
> debated again the future.  Of course there is no answer really since
> there is really no question.  People will continue to act like people.  We
> feel the need to conform and consolidate.  It is natural response created
> through millions of years of evolution.  We even give it its own letter in
> PLUR it is so important to us.

my belief is that the drive towards conformity is more societal than 
evolutionary in nature.  granted, the need for human companionship is
instinctual, but the practice of compromising one's self in order to
gain acceptance is 100% socially driven

> I dont think that the great feeling of unity would be so strong if not for
> the conformity. It says I am among friends and I am strong and safe. Not
> quite as strong as sexual desire or hunger but definitely a plus in battle
> to pass on ones genes. Good luck!

I couldn't disagree with you more on this one.  to me, conformity is
the moral equivalent of raping one's soul.  if you don't feel secure 
about yourself, conforming to someone else's standards will only make
things worse.  if you don't have your individuality, whether it be in
thought, action, or something as trivial as the clothing one wears,
you don't have shit to stand on.  it sickens the shit out of me that
the multitudes of thoughtless clones comprising this nation's youth 
have infested the rave scene, something I once held sacred to me.
as crappy as the Chicago rave/punk scenes have become, you will
always see me coming back due to my unconditional love for the music.

flame at will, slackers
Russ

"Most people are other people.  Their thoughts are someone else's
opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
-Oscar Wilde


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On Wed, 6 May 1998, Russell E Schneider wrote:

> 
> labels apply to me.  the whole concept of raving for me has always
> correlated with the idea that there is no "look of the raver"; i.e.
> raves were a way to celebrate individuality as opposed to conforming
> to any type of group mentality. 

Nice thoughts. But i have always found "Rave culture" to be  another form
of
american sub-culture. created by youth who are so "american" (no ethnic
idenity left), that they neeed a sergate culture to relate to. (i know I
feel that way) 

and just like any ethnic culture, our culture comes with its rules, myths,
problems, prejudices, beauties, and rituals.  in being a culture it asks
for a certain level of conformity.  All sub-cultures of this nature claim
"come as you are" aceptance, but I don't find that to be the case.
Sub-cultures of this nature always claim to be "all about the music" as
well.(example...punk)....  althought the music is usually the main
componet, in reality it is just part of a larger social structure.

If I had to point out one truley unique thing about our sub-culture it
would be our exceptance, and even extended use of the capatalist(sp?) 
system....

> 
> 
> my belief is that the drive towards conformity is more societal than 
> evolutionary in nature.  granted, the need for human companionship is
> instinctual, but the practice of compromising one's self in order to
> gain acceptance is 100% socially driven

I do not think wanting to identify with others on superfical(sp?
again....my
spelling is horrid)  levels is compromising of one self.  Only when you do
things you don't belive in, or postion against are you compromising. 

> 
> I couldn't disagree with you more on this one.  to me, conformity is
> the moral equivalent of raping one's soul.  if you don't feel secure 
> about yourself, conforming to someone else's standards will only make
> things worse.  if you don't have your individuality, whether it be in
> thought, action, or something as trivial as the clothing one wears,
> you don't have shit to stand on.  it sickens the shit out of me that
> the multitudes of thoughtless clones comprising this nation's youth 
> have infested the rave scene, something I once held sacred to me.
> as crappy as the Chicago rave/punk scenes have become, you will
> always see me coming back due to my unconditional love for the music.

I think you are taking the idea of conformity a little to seriously.  Why
do you wear cloths?  Why do you speak english?  Why do you walk up-righ?
All fundatmental things, but you do them cause that is what your taught.
education is a very high level of conformity. and to try and live outside
of conformity is futile.  I think it is just important to realize when you
are conforming and when for specific reasons you chose not to.  



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The best DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) available is called PRO-TOOLS for
Macintosh (there isn't a version for PC).  I think they are up to 4.x now.
It blows everything else out of the water.  There is no competition.

I just took a course at my school on it, so if you have any more questions,
I could probably answer them.

Cakewalk is generally meant to be a midi sequencer, although it has some
digitized audio capabilities.  The bad thing about cakewalk is that is
wasn't designed to be used with one specific soundcards, but rather be
compatible with any card that can do midi...This isn't good for digital
audio.

Your computer puts out all kinds of electronic interference.  If you use a
soundcard within your computer to sample/record audio, then you are
subjecting it to all kinds of extra garbage that will fuck up your sound.
With Pro-Tools, all the recording is done from a satellite unit, located
outside of the computer, thus avoiding all the electronic interference
problems...

Also another thing to worry about with your sound card is whether or not it
is FULL DUPLEX.  That means that it can record and playback at the same
time.  Many sound cards can only do one thing at a time...That's no good if
you need it to record like a multitrack machine.

Anything else, just ask.

---Cylert


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if any promoters are intrestead in booking the teamster tour it runs from
middle
june to the end of august , with djs halo, justin long , traxx , sammie  and
trevor lamont.
you dont have to book all 5 just at least 3 .if any promoters are intrested
please
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                                           pleasure ent

ps. dates are limited                              goodies  at parties where
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I see your point of view Sarah... I'm kind of out of the Midwest loop I
guess..  I've been in LA too long, but plur is still alive and growing
within our underground (what's left).  I go to parties in khakis, polo
shirts, and Marvin the magical pen-whistle (you'll see).   Anyway, I'm
coming home this week end, so y'all will see me at St Louis parties because
I can't afford to travel this summer, and I'll be J Crewed and PLURy as
hell, sooooooo...... like it or not, get ready to cope, cause that's the way
I am, and I'm not leaving a party just because you don't like the way I'm
dressed...
lotalove
josh
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>i had to get this out, and i hope that at least one person can see my
>point of view.
>
>i have only been going to parties for about 2 years now, actually, not
>even that long...my old skool friends tell me how much the scene has
>changed, yet i only see what i see now. i hear that there was a time
>that PLUR really existed, and that the "preppy" kids (and i do use that
>term losely) didn't feel out of place because they weren't wearing "phat
>pants." a friend of mine came with me to a party last year, and she
>ended up leaving because she felt out of place walking around in her
>cK's.  it seemed like everyone she walked by did a double take, or just
>stared at her, like she was invading some sort of secret clubhouse
>meeting.  the whole reason that she was there was to experience a
>different walk of life, which was one of the reasons i went to my first
>party.  what she believed she saw was a stuck up group of people who
>didn't want any outsiders.  i have to say that i do not totally disagree
>with her, but i am not making any generalizations about the scene,
>either...its the fact that there are always those few ppl that can ruin
>a good thing for everyone.
>
>i can count more than one time where i have been at a party, and it
>seemed like i was back in high school or something.  i am not by any
>means saying that everyone has to like everyone, get to know everyone,
>talk to everyone...blah blah blah...but there are those ppl that seem so
>judgemental of everyone else.  my motto in life is "to each their own"
>not to be taken in a bad way, but rather to accept ppl for who they are,
>and not what they look like.  it's like the old saying we have all heard
>since we were young..."don't judge a book by it's cover"
>
>sure, there are probably those that go to parties to "be cool", or
>non-party kids who wear phat pants because they feel like being rebels.
>as mentioned by other ppl...*who cares???*  my 15 year old sister wears
>'em because she likes them...she would go to parties except for the fact
>that my parents are strict.  i don't call her a poser for it, i admire
>her take-no-bullshit 'attitude. she does what she wants, when she wants,
>and doesn't care what anyone else thinks.
>
>to those of you who want to call me a poser...fuck you. i am not going
>through all of my reasons for going to parties, because it would be
>boring, and i don't feel like defending them.
>
>thanks to those who took the time to read my drivel...
>
>peace.
>r.
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that girl productions (314-995-9518)
may 16, st louis, mo 


the majest tour.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
steve stoll - live
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

-djs:
-joey beltram
-mike dearborn
-skull

-stl house nation:
-echo
-phil decker
-mark buxton
-dino 
-luan


$17


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does anyone know terry mullen's new school fusion 2 inside and out?  I must
know the name of the 2nd to last (3rd to last if you include the daft punk
song) track on there. durring the "old school acid" segment.  the track is
after a stickman record, and before some weird bleepy song.  It's quite
minimal, just a 909 and a 303 tweeked way the fuck out.  it's pretty old song,
and it's totaly awesome.  My friend said it's a plus8 track by speedy j, but
i've listen to all of the plus eight tracks on there sigh and  that song is
not on there.  but then i looked around probe and saw a track written by
jochem paap called three-o-three.  i think this is the song i'm looking for,
but i need confermation.  if anyone knows please respond.  i am about to order
this track, and i'm afraid it is going to be one of speedy j's lamest hits.

m.f.

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At 02:35 AM 5/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Contain.  Consume.  Convulse.  Ekko.  Converge.
>Locomotion.  In side.  Consumed.  Passage.  Cor ten
>These track titles explain the music from the new PLASTIKMAN album,
>Consumed, from the mind of Richie Hawtin...... 

bla bla bla....

yeah that's all great and all, but the real question is...

CAN ANYONE PICK ME UP AND TAKE ME THERE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  live in
milwaukee...have no money but would buy you a further ticket next wednesday
and give you some extra ducks for gas...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?

Chad 

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hey kiddies!
anyone know if there's a website for info on step.into.a.world happenen   
in cincy on may 16?

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I think that it is a great idea, if only there are enough people to 
actually change the ways back to the good old days.  Maybe this can 
actually do something!

ChRiStOpHeR Kidd   : )- 

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Ok Paul Johnson and 3d are booked for both parties..what party are they
goin to be spinnin at?


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     Aren't these the same DJ's that always play the Chicago scene?  I 
     think I must have seen each one of these guys like 50 times.
     
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if any promoters are intrestead in booking the teamster tour it runs from 
middle
june to the end of august , with djs halo, justin long , traxx , sammie  and 
trevor lamont.
you dont have to book all 5 just at least 3 .if any promoters are intrested 
please
contact ann betts of pleasure ent (314).498.2631 or email back at 
Bhalo1313@aol.com thank you 
     
     
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ps. dates are limited                              goodies  at parties where 
tour are booked
                                                            like t-shirts,
tapes,banners, etc etc 
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remember when the college jock & preppie crowd attended parties, and there
wasn't a big clash between "cultures" ??

i was just remembering the star children's (thanx hollie & christopher!!)
parties on thursdays two summers ago here in madtown... and i recall one
time when these two middle-aged biker rockers came in... a lady with a big
leather jacket with fringe, and a guy wearing a ripped up aerosmith shirt
and tight ripped jeans... and they just started dancin' and havin' a great
time.

just kinda random (i need sleep),

::::::::::: jon/dica ::::::::::: jabraun@students.wisc.edu ::::::::::::::::
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there's been a lot of talk lately about conformity and phat pants and bla
bla bla bla.....

i don't think conformity is the word that should be used when talking about
people wearing phat pants.  sure many people wear them, sure a lot of
people dress the same.  but it is by choice.  there are (for the most part)
no rules about how "ravers" should dress.

now i know there are the select few that ridicule people who don't fit the
"raver" mold... but i don't think there's enough of those people to really
make other people feel as if they "have to" wear phat pants in order to be
accepted.  and if that is the case...then i agree that is bad (bad meaning
not in their best interest).  conformity is conformity when one goes
against their own beliefs to adhere to certain standards set by the
majority.  and i would argue that people who wear big pants really do like it.

now on the other hand... wouldn't people be conforming to your ideals if
they all of a sudden stopped wearing their normal get up, if only to get
you to stop whining about it?  how much better is that?  so what these
people are saying is not "quit conforming" but "conform to me instead".  i
say they all should conform their lips to my left ass-cheek.

someone said that trying too hard to be accepted is bullshit...that's just
a cop out.  so what they are saying is that if people try too hard to be
accepted (if indeed that's what they are doing), they won't be and will
need to try even harder by changing once again.  i used to think like this
in grade school ,but i realized shortly thereafter that it doesn't matter.


one definitely CAN experience individuality even when they wear the same
clothes as everyone else.  sure they may LOOK like everyone else, but when
you talk to them you learn and sometimes understand what this person is about.
haven't you ever looked through the crowd and saw that one girl or guy that
dresses, dances, smells, what-have-you  just like everyone else, but there
was just "something about them" that stuck out??  that's their soul
screaming out at you.  that is their individuality.  that is why i believe
that clothes really don't matter.  everyone could wear the exact same
shoes, pants, underwear, shirt, and hairstyle if they wanted.  i don't
think being different for different's sake is what it's about.
we know who's not being themselves when we deal with them, and we don't
need to look at their clothes to tell us that.

judging a person by their outer appearance really holds us back from a lot
of experiences.  granted if a potential mate doesn't turn you on sexually,
there's really nothing you can do about that, but as far as clothes,
piercings, etc. go.

granted, i've laughed at the 6 people in metropolis practicing their "raver
moves", but i left it at that.  i didn't let it affect my judgement of
their personality.  i didn't say "these are some sorry ass wannabes"
because i would be willing to bet all my fucking records wrapped up nicely
in my scrotum skin that i would get along with all of them.

i think another thing that contributes to all this shit is labeling in
general.  sure people tend to feel more comfortable when the are associated
with a group.  when i was in Switzerland i was "proud to be an American"
(funny how i now wish i lived in Switzerland) some of us are proud to be
"ravers" etc.
but what would happen if we threw all the labels away?  i'll leave that
open, because i don't even know...i do think things might be better.
and really, what is with the animosity different groups have towards one
another?  what are skaters really trying to accomplish when they wear
shirts that say "ravers suck".  what does a shirt that says "tweakers suck"
really mean?  i saw a sticker that said "mean people's farts really stink"
i liked that one.  i think it's basically from fear that one group is
having "more success" than another.  remember the "new kids suck" t-shirts?
 same thing...teenage white males were pissed off that their girlfriends
wanted to fuck those kids, so they invented rumors about sperm-in-stomach,
homosexuality, and they bought/made the t-shirts.

i'm sure that if i hadn't got into techno and started going to raves, i
wouldn't dress the way i do.  shit, i might even be in jail.  but at the
same time, i believe phat pants and all, i have my own style.  there's no
one like me on this planet.  and no amount of denim can take that away from
me.

to quote a very wise man "you always make each and every day such a special
day for me.  you know how?  by just your being you."

wear phat pants...or don't, i don't care.  wear some spandex with a dukes
of hazard tank top, it's all good.  buy a barrel and wear that.  rip your
leg off and wear it as a headband, whatever floats your boat, man.  
no one should be expected to change for you, and you shouldn't ever change
for anyone... unless it's in your best interest to do so.  if someone's
holding a gun to your head saying "eat this meat" and you are a vegetarian
but you don't want to die, there's nothing wrong with taking a bite.
not that anyone is holding a gun to people's heads saying wear these pants,
or die.  but i think alot of people may think that it adds to the
experience of raving somehow.  i personally like the way they look and
feel. someone else may have other reasons for wearing what they do.  why do
dogs lick their balls? because they are conforming? gimme a break.

basically i just keep saying the same thing over and over and over again.
do what makes YOU happy.  wear the exact same thing as all your friends if
you want, i'll still notice YOU.  

i believe that the people who ridicule others for looking the same are the
same people who ridicule that one person who "sticks out", what part of
"it's all good" doesn't make sense?  or maybe i should say "it's all it"
because i caught myself using good in a factual statement without the words
"to me"

sorry this post isn't as organized as i'd like it to be, but i just got off
work and was itching to write something all night, this is how it came out.

peace, respect, and unity....which are all born out of unconditional love
and acceptance of all that is. including phat pants and frat pants.

Chad

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another random thought.

i like to confront fucked up idiot child ravers at parties, and question
their motives.  i also like to think that it might spark something in them
(besides the meth) that makes them think about what they're doing and what
they're a part of.

but then i think that i'm probably wrong, they don't give two shits.

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>well i thought about it and if that one person i met was dica...then i'd say 
>"DANG! it was well worth it!"

that's how much you'll be payin for a piece of this hot ass, beeyotch!  :P

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>Any type of generalization is ok in my book as long as you don't apply it
>to an individual.  You can say for the most part people like that are .....
> but to just see somebody wearing big pants and to call them idiot ravers
>seems stoopid to me.  

let me clarify... there are big pants, and there are BIG HUGE ENORMOUS $75
for 69" per leg with super zoom racing stripe multi-colored
ankle-and-stash-your-crack-here pockets logo covered stupid pants.  a la
gypsies & thieves, the new jncos, the new kikwears, etc.

>When I started going to parties big pants were something I hadn't really
>ever seen before.  I bought a couple pairs, cuz I thought they looked cool,
>I'm sure there was a little thought in my head that it was to fit in, but
>mainly just cuz they look good on me I think.

i have a pair of Q's and a pair of Kikwears (and some butt-huggin Grinds!
:P).  they don't engulf my whole foot, leg, and anything within a two mile
radius.

>About not knowing what DJ's on, I usually have a pretty good idea of what
>is going on and who who is, but there have been a couple times when I've
>started dancing to one DJ and not even noticed when the next guy comes on.
> I seem to hear your opinion of parties and not paying big bux to see big
>name DJ's with an attitude of as long as the music is good who cares who it
>is.  That's the way I feel, but if you are going to say that makes me a
>stoopid raver, because the DJ's name isn't on the top of my priority list
>then oh well.

listen, i wasn't singling you out.  just trying to make my opinion clear.
there ARE kids who go to a party having no idea what dj is on, who's even
playing, and are just there to escape their evil allowance-giving parents
from hell and their oh-so-horrible life by coming and using whatever escape
mechanisms they can at raves.  and i think we all know which ones are used
most frequently.

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     Sure, I think it is.  I probably wouldn't be able to meet peeps like 
     you guys anywhere but at a party.  Plus, sure dancing is free, but I 
     like it loud, and where are you going to hear it as loud as at a 
     party.  Plus I get to hear music that I wouldn't be able to hear 
     elsewhere.  Sure I could buy records, and I do.  But I could spend $50 
     on records and only get a few songs that are truly awesome.  This has 
     happened many times.  It's much easier to pay my $20 bucks and let 
     others worry about this kinda stuff, namely the DJ's.  It's what we're 
     paying for (in addition to venue, etc., etc.)
     
     
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>But as long as I got to dance one good set, or met one cool person, it 
makes up 
>for the bad things I occasionally see.  Isn't having fun the whole point 
of a party?
     
meeting one person, or dancing for an hour... is that worth $25 when it can 
be done for free?
     
something to think about.
     
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apparently dr. sponholz does not realize that this is a mailing list, and
that all my comments are not directed at him specifically.

>i'm not saying others "should", i'm just saying that at least for me, it
>allows me to be more laid back and not worry so damn much about something
>so trivial as the size of another's pants.  

if you didn't worry, you shouldn't have even replied.  so it must bother
you a bit that someone dislikes a certain aspect of what some consider to
be "raver fashion".  materialism, hah!

>so you don't think everyone is beautiful, ok.  but even you know there are
>exceptions to every rule, so why do you state your opinions as the end-all
>be-all of what raving should or should not be?  i don't like your vision...
>it seems to be pretty boring.

the key word here is OPINION.  i don't think anyone here would say that i
have the "end all be all" knowledge about the rave scene.  if i did and
everyone agreed, things would be changing, wouldn't they?

>what you are saying is that because my pants are bigger than average (i
>want to stress that word average) i do drugs and don't know shit about
>what's going on, even though you didn't say it to me directly, you still
>implied it by making that generalization.

right, and that's why i stressed the word generalization.  because i'm not
judging individuals.  there's exceptions to EVERY rule.

>i don't drink, smoke, do drugs (except pot VERY occasionally) i know who's
>on or who's playing, basically, i don't fit your generalization...so,
>obviously, there must be something you've missed when you've decided that
>generally all people who wear these pants are this way.  you might as well
>say that everyone who goes to parties is this way.

key word:  GENERALLY.

>trying TOO hard to fit in...i don't think so.  i like not being accepted by
>you, or others like you.  i never thought wearing big pants would bring me
>such pleasure.. .i can now feel like a rebel just by slipping a pair of
>grinds on.

others like me?  so now you're generalizing?  hmm..

>>>do we listen to our music "too loud"?  have you seen hair that is "too
>>>yellow"? or "too green"?
>>
>>yes, yes, and yes.
>
>perhaps i would be more receptive to your opinion if it was stated as such.

thought it was understood.  my deepest apologies.

>>>you don't hear us phat pant wearin muther fuckers keep constantly bitching
>>>that the frat pant wearin' motherfuckers are ruining the scene...
>>
>>heard it.  many times.
>did you? or are you just saying that to try to have a point?  in my time on
>this list (which i'll give you is not that long) i've never seen anyone say
>that frat pants are the root of all evil.  i've never heard it in person
>either.

from this list, and in person, i have heard it many times in the past.  and
you shouldn't twist your own words.  the "root of all evil" and "ruining
the scene" are two completely different things.  but my point is, i've
heard this statement made.

>these "fucking idiot ravers" , as you so ellequently put it,  aren't just
>going to know these things by osmosis.  instead of making hasty
>generalizations and giving salty looks when these people ask me who is on,
>I smile tell them and be happy that someone cares.  

see, people DON'T ask who's on.  most people don't even CARE.  isn't it
all, or at least MOSTLY, about the music?  or didn't it start that way?

and then there's the other side of the coin:

"oh, i'm going to this chicago party!  i LOVE danny the wildchild!"
"haven't you ever heard of (insert other dj name on flyer here) ?"
"no!  i'm just going to see danny!"

nothing against danny, either.. he's a wicked dj.  just an example.

>>i never thought i'd see a day when ravers would pick on other ravers for
>>such petty shit... i have bigger fish to fry.  i'd rather worry about how
>>healthy i am (or you are) than bitch about how fucking big someone's pants
>>are.  i mean, people <including ravers> are going HUNGRY!  fuck that petty
>>bullshit.  all that tells me is that people like that have too much time on
>>their hands.  i mean, who do they think they are, the raver aristocracy?!?!
> ><blow nose again>

that's what mw-raves is about.  issues.  and some issues are petty to some
people.

but again, it's a perspective thing.  advice given previously by others
(jawsh).

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> |> Well... I t would be really cool if everybody started wearing long
> denim  dresses that look like one huge pant leg!! 
> 
> I saw a guy one night in Dayton, just out on the street, who had taken
> a pair of JNCs and stitched them into a skirt. It was definitely neat
> looking.
> 
Seems to me that phat pants are slowly evolving into Akido style pants.
I honestly have no complaints.  I find the larger, the more comfy!  (as
long as they fit the waist area fine...I don't need them falling off my
bum!) hehe

pleasant dreams,
angel O:)

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so here it is.  catch a whiff of saturday.  so who's going?  I'm trying to
convince myself to go and not to go at the same time

		toastman


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spatial effects, also new to the arena.  Room 2 will feature the Detroit
debut live show from Theorem, in addition to DJ's Matthew Hawtin and
Clark Warner.  This area exemplifies the atmospheric and experimental
side of electronic music, with a balcony filled with online chat
terminals overlooking the entire room, taking in and relaying the event
worldwide, real time.  


Throughout the complex, there will be a multitude of individual
environment rooms.  One room will contain relative silence, with a
projection of all the technological background of everything going on;
the packets going to the net, the webserver hits, the real audio server
hits, the LAN traffic, all paying quiet homage to the amount of data
generated by this event.  Two of these special rooms showcase the
installation efforts of Hawtin.  The first of these, SIMON, will be a
randomly-planned audio visual installation. Another room, CONTAIN, will
display the inner-workings of the "void" which focuses on the potential
space within the album by projection and SGI Technologies utilizing
directional sensory response.  Other technologies will be used to alter
participants' sense of direction and location.  All of these areas are
meant to attract and distract listeners as they move between different
zones of disturbance and uniqueness.


The production emphasis behind Consumed confronts the accepted standards
of DJ events head on with an aggressive attitude.  For those unable to
attend, the event will be consumed online via RealVideo, RealAudio, and
IRC, through http://m-nus.com/ in addition to San Francisco's
BetaLounge, http://www.betalounge.com/


CONSUMED is located at the Lafayette Grande, 1 Lafayette, Pontiac, MI. 
Participants must be 18 years or older with valid identification.  This
event is held in a secure, legal venue.  Ample parking is available. 
Valet parking is also available.


PLEASE NOTE:  Ticket prices will NOT increase at the door, for more
information and maps and directions, go to http://plastikman.com/

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>apparently dr. sponholz does not realize that this is a mailing list, and

>that all my comments are not directed at him specifically.


no no  no...i'm not a doctor yet. and i know they aren't directed at me specifically, but they are directed at me. i don't see where anything to the contrary was apparent.


>if you didn't worry, you shouldn't have even replied.  so it must bother

>you a bit that someone dislikes a certain aspect of what some consider to

>be "raver fashion".  materialism, hah!


did you not see where i said that i wasn't defending a specific brand or style?  it doesn't bother me in the least that someone (or somethree...or four, etc.) think my pants look stupid.  my mom thinks my pants look stupid, that wasn't my point.  my whole entire message revolves around wearing what you want.  and i never said what i consider to be "raver fashion".  if i even used that term ,it was in reference to what other people consider it to be.  my appologies if i didn't make that clear.

 

i don't think anyone here would say that i

>have the "end all be all" knowledge about the rave scene.  if i did and

>everyone agreed, things would be changing, wouldn't they?


knowledge alone doesn't change a thing. 

maybe you need to publish a book called " dica's does and don'ts for the raving you" that might bring some around.


>right, and that's why i stressed the word generalization.  because i'm not

>judging individuals.  there's exceptions to EVERY rule.


but you see, you are judging individuals.  by calling drug users "idiots"  and i forget whatever else you said about them you are judging them.  i'll leave it at that.  you can judge if you want, but i don't like it when people do.


>>trying TOO hard to fit in...i don't think so.  i like not being accepted by

>>you, or others like you.  i never thought wearing big pants would bring me

>>such pleasure.. .i can now feel like a rebel just by slipping a pair of

>>grinds on.

>

>others like me?  so now you're generalizing?  hmm..


no no, i'm categorizing. grouping.  by others like you i mean others that act like you. others who say things you do. others who treat people the way you do.  now the knowledge that the size of my pants bugs some people has given me even more reason to wear them.  which you can say is silly all you want, but the fact that it DOES bug some people is what i think is even sillier.


>thought it was understood.  my deepest apologies.


i understood that it was your opinion, you just didn't make it seem like you understood that.


>see, people DON'T ask who's on.  most people don't even CARE.  isn't it

>all, or at least MOSTLY, about the music?  or didn't it start that way?


maybe they don't ask because they know. how do you know they don't care if they didn't tell you?  or did you ask them if they knew and they said "no, and i don't care."


>"oh, i'm going to this chicago party!  i LOVE danny the wildchild!"

>"haven't you ever heard of (insert other dj name on flyer here) ?"

>"no!  i'm just going to see danny!"


what's wrong with not having heard of a dj?  i hadn't heard of electric indigo till last weekend...someone asked me if she had been on yet and i was like "no he hasn't"  dude smiled and said "it's a girl" 


so it happens to everyone... big deal, i know NOW and i'm fucking glad because she rocks she was the only dj that night that made me forget that i was tired.  new kids aren't going to know everything right away, and saying things like you have been saying makes people feel ashamed that they don't know, so they don't ask, then they don't know some more....still don't ask, stop caring, still don't know, don't care, etc. etc.


i've gone to parties just to see one dj.  so what?  maybe (insert dj name here) sucks in someone else's opinion.  and if they didn't know who (insert dj name here) is, then they probably did after the party was over.


>that's what mw-raves is about.  issues.  and some issues are petty to some

>people.


so....ummm...peoples wearing of phat pants bugs you THAT much?  then i think i'll stop arguing witcha...might get all fanatical on me and shit :) nahh seriously, don't you think that compared to MUCH of what else is going on the world, and in the scene, that the size of someones pants is rather petty?


>but again, it's a perspective thing.  advice given previously by others


what i've been saying from the get-go.


peace,

Chad



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     I see a logistics problem with this.  We never counted our money till 
     later in the weekend.  Much safer to take it out in batches and not be 
     seen counting lots of money.  Also, I've had space-owners want to 
     charge more if they see lots of dough...  sucks but it can happen.


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 If I were to throw a party this is how I'd do the price thing, prolly
wouldn't work very well, but who knows.  Like charge what I thought would 
get me to make a little money, give everybody a unique ticket err sumthing 
when they come in and after say 5am everybody that leaves gets their % of 
the profit back in exchange for their ticket as they walk out the door. 
That'd keep people at the party a little longer, since it seems that people 
like to clear out at like 3 or 4 and it'd keep people from bitching about 
the money.  I'd make a minimal profit prolly, but if everybody stuck around 
til the end, then I'd imagine it was a good party, making me happy, and 
they'd get what they paid for.  If you think this is dumb, oh well, just a 
thought.
Peace
Curtis
     

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> CONSUMED is located at the Lafayette Grande, 1 Lafayette, Pontiac, MI. 
> Participants must be 18 years or older with valid identification.  This
> event is held in a secure, legal venue.  Ample parking is available. 
> Valet parking is also available.

18 and over!!  Ahhh!  I missed this on the flyer.  I guess I'll have
to plan to watch the netcast.  That makes me so not happy.  Just a few
more months and it won't matter.

later,

jeff


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At 19:31 5/5/98 EDT, FuNkyBiZz wrote:
>Anyone know of some good mixing programs? ( cakewalk ect..)


If you're talking about MiDi sequencers, Cakewalk and Cubase are two of the
best. If you're looking for multitrack audio mixing, check out Cool Edit Pro.

[dc]


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Is this event by the Movement or the Muvement?? Just curious because in
the southeast there is a production company the Movement, and I was
unsure if they were branching out.....

Peace,
Christy


On Tue, 5 May 1998, Prugh Q wrote:

> 5.30.98
> the muvement presents 
> 
>                       MUSIC IS MUSIC
>                            featuring
> 
> BIZ MARKIE :: def squad/cold chillin' :: baltimore
> T-1000 :: generator records :: detroit
> TRAXX :: soul foundation :: chicago
> WALLY :: liquid/jungle sky :: nyc
> TITONTON :: phono/7th city/ 21/22 /metamorphic :: columbus
> KOMMANDOZ :: hip hop jazz fusion :: dayton
> KIMION :: the muvement/937 records :: dayton
> LOCUTUS :: detroit
> DIVINE :: the muvement/937 records :: dayton
> BRIAN BORN :: detroit
> 
> with master of ceremonies :: 
>        DIFFERENT STROKES STAR ???
> 
> MAIN INFO :: 937.496.4796
> 
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>In a message dated 98-05-05 17:59:05 EDT, chemical@cxo.com writes:
>
><< um, no one's pointed this out, but DRC is booked for both these parties
> on the same night... >>
>
>Sure it's the same DRC?  There's the 'trance dominatrix' from San Fran and
>another DRC from the southern region so I hear...but....I could be wrong :)
>

This is true.  There is DRC from San Fran and there is a DRC who is male
and I believe he is a junglist.  He is based in Athens, Georgia (near
Atlanta) and is part of the Phungus Crew who is one of Atlanta's main
promoters.

 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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Bookings:
     Pleasure Entertainment  (314-995-2631) : my booking agent
     trevorl@gte.net : my e-mail address
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>At 10:59 PM 5/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>5.30.98
>>the muvement presents
>>
>>                      MUSIC IS MUSIC
>>                           featuring
>
>what city is this?  and why are they bothering to go against the almighty
>FURTHUR?
>
>too bad... biz markie would be cool as hell.
>
>chris

This is in Dayton, Ohio where Muvement is based.  It is a good ways away
from Furthur so they should do fine.  They have a good rep out here and
they usually don't fail to break even.


 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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     Pleasure Entertainment  (314-995-2631) : my booking agent
     trevorl@gte.net : my e-mail address
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     1-800-619-9296 : my pager
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                      House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 06 16:31:05 1998
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greetings mw-ravers

i am in search of someone.....some of you may know her
she is in the wisconsin area aroudn madison

name: mandy willingham (sp?)
last known existance: beloit college

if anyoen can help me locate this person it woudl be much appreciated.

thanks

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
217.353.5111



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according to the flyers, hyperreal, and everyone outside of email 've
talked to, it's DRC from San Francisco playing BOTH parties. so can i
stop having 500 people tell me there's more than one DRC?  believe it or
not, i actually do know what i'm talkng about most of the time :P~

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Greetings once again!

Oops!  I had a typo. I apologize for calling DRC "he" when I meant "she".  I have seen DRC a few times at parties in Cali and I like what "she" spins.

Peace!



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In a message dated 5/6/98 1:45:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chemical@cxo.com
writes:

> according to the flyers, hyperreal, and everyone outside of email 've
>  talked to, it's DRC from San Francisco playing BOTH parties. so can i
>  stop having 500 people tell me there's more than one DRC?  believe it or
>  not, i actually do know what i'm talkng about most of the time :P~

actually, there are 2 DRC's... one is with the Phungus crew in Atlanta i
believe, except he spells it D:RC with a colon... he is really good designer
as well for all you people looking for some new interesting flyer designs
instead of the same old 3D rendered garbage

paul

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        I just have a few question for those who have been to Further 
     before, this will be my first time and I just needed some advice.  
     What is a good time to get there on Friday?  
     I read that you can't bring firewood, does this mean that we won't be 
     able to cook out?  
     Would it be a better idea to bring food that doesn't require cooking? 
     Is there going to be a net meet? I hope so, i would like to be able to 
     meet some of you peeps, plus it would be a perfect place for the phat 
     pants versus skinny pants brawl that seems to be brewing.
     Are there any tips people want to give concerning what to bring and 
     what not to bring?  I've been camping hundreds of times, so that 
     aspect I'm comfortable with, but what about other things?  What is a 
     good amount of money to bring with?  Kinda vague, I know.
     
     This is the first time my friends and I have been to an event like this 
     and we are really excited.  I just don't want to get there and be like 
     "I wish I would have known about this, or I wish I would have brought 
     this, etc., etc."
     
     Thanx for any advice you all can give me.
     
     Peace, 
     E

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On Wed, 6 May 1998, Chad Sponholz wrote:

> At 02:35 AM 5/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Contain.  Consume.  Convulse.  Ekko.  Converge.
> >Locomotion.  In side.  Consumed.  Passage.  Cor ten
> >These track titles explain the music from the new PLASTIKMAN album,
> >Consumed, from the mind of Richie Hawtin...... 
> 
> bla bla bla....
> 
> yeah that's all great and all, but the real question is...
> 
> CAN ANYONE PICK ME UP AND TAKE ME THERE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  live in
> milwaukee...have no money but would buy you a further ticket next wednesday
> and give you some extra ducks for gas...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?
> 
> Chad 
> 
Here's another poor soal with no transport....anyone driving thru
Minneapolis on the way to Consumbed???  I have some xtra cash and lots of
candy!!  
PLUR-Laurel


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you know, i think there should be this massive game of capture the flag, with
everyone there running around the woods at night.  i loved capture the flag when
i was a kid, and i'm sure it would generate many new friends and a new sense of
comraderie among everyone involved.  i know if i went to a big outdoor festival
like that i would want to play some big huge games.  i doubt there would be a
clear division between winner and loser, cuz we'd all just be having tons of
fun!

just imagine...  4000 kids rollin and trippin in the dark woods having a blast
getting lost listening to the beautiful music flowing through the trees...

sounds cool to me!


peace
chris


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Hey fellow hominids,

I'm hoping maybe someone could help me out.   I'm looking for this track
(on vinyl), Bomb the Bass's "Bug Powder Dust."  It's an ambient-dubbish
style song.  If anyone has any information on where/who I could find
this track, I would greatly appreciate your help.

Thank you all so much!

pleasant dreams,
angel O:)

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     That sounds awesome!


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you know, i think there should be this massive game of capture the flag, with 
everyone there running around the woods at night.  i loved capture the flag when
i was a kid, and i'm sure it would generate many new friends and a new sense of 
comraderie among everyone involved.  i know if i went to a big outdoor festival 
like that i would want to play some big huge games.  i doubt there would be a 
clear division between winner and loser, cuz we'd all just be having tons of 
fun!
     
just imagine...  4000 kids rollin and trippin in the dark woods having a blast 
getting lost listening to the beautiful music flowing through the trees...
     
sounds cool to me!
     
     
peace
chris
     
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well last year someone posted a full list of stuff to bring..but thats
long gone by now...

but besides the usual camping stuff bring
WARM CLOTHES   why?


cuz it will inevitably RAIN and SNOW   and be cold as HELL!!!!     expect
temperatures in the lower 20s and mud up to your armpits.

btw...i honestly dont think capture the flag is a good idear...supposedly
(according to nyx's post) there is a river than runs nearby..... *splash*
woops...lost raver.kidddie     and the music is supposed to be in a
warehouse sorta venue...so we cant hear the music!!!

dont believe the hype

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
217.353.5111



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does anyone know if this is still going on...i got the 
flier quite a while ago, and haven't heard much about
it since...

just wondering...cause i don't want to get all dissapointed
if i end up not getting to see DRC, Drivetrain and Chocolate
this weekend  after looking forward to it for so long.

anybooty else going?

juma 


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Someone on this list wrote:
> 
> the other big reason is greed, pure and simple.  next time you go to a
> party that seems way over priced, multiplly the ticket price by the
> number of people, and in a lot of cases, the promoters could have
> knocked off $5 each and still broken even
> 

What I am about to say does not apply to all promoters, since it is a
fact that many promoters *do* charge too much for shit, but in other
cases, there *do exist* promoters who put on a good event, and to do
that it costs money.

In our case (+8 and PlastikProdukt), we have made money only ONCE (that
is ONE time) on a party, which was Sickness/Recovery, which was still
under $20.  All the other parties for the past 6+ years we LOST money
EVERY time.  Because +8 is a record label, it could afford to do this as
promotional expenses, so it didn't hurt too bad.  BUT not every promoter
is a record label with the ability to lose money for promotional
expenses.

So lets talk about money.  If someone puts up $30,000+ to throw a party,
FOR YOU, you are saying that in order for *YOU* to pay $5 less, the
person who is *RISKING* $30,000 (6000 times more than $5) should *ONLY
EXPECT* to break even, this is what you're saying right?  I'm sure
anyone on this list would probably agree (however grudgingly) that
perhaps the someone who *risks* their money should get *something* for
it, so my question is "how much"?  What is a reasonable return on a
major investment like that?  5% is $1500, so after two months of
preparation and $30,000 investment you gain $1500, the sound and light
companies make more than that.  How about %10, we have just DOUBLED our
return WOO-HOO $3000!!!!!  Filthy rich now, stinking rich, this is the
BIG TIME!!!!!!  Three thousand WHOLE DOLLARS!!!!!!  C'mon, what is an
acceptable rate of return on a VERY risky venture?

I apologise if you don't want to think of "raves" in terms of capital,
investment, risk, rates, returns, etc., but this is a REALITY, and if
you don't like it then move somewhere where the government will throw
all your "raves" for you as part of their social services programs.

I think the professionals who read this, really wish that some of you
idealists would take a dose of reality, instead of acid, and realise
that a major event costs LOTS of money, and it is EXTREMELY unfair of
you to expect them to break even AT BEST.

Tosh - Online Content @ Plus 8 Records

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     The capture the flag idea remindes me of that scene in Nowhere.  Kick 
     the can and x.  Lovely idea.
     
     
     E

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MikeyD wrote:

> btw...i honestly dont think capture the flag is a good idear...supposedly
> (according to nyx's post) there is a river than runs nearby..... *splash*
> woops...lost raver.kidddie     and the music is supposed to be in a
> warehouse sorta venue...so we cant hear the music!!!

aw man, that takes all the fun out of bein in the woods!  there's gonna be
kids fallin in the river anyways, so why not give a good reason to?

oh well

peace
chris


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        I'm glad you wrote in with this, personally, I don't think parties 
     are that overpriced.  But this definately puts things into perspective 
     from a promoter's point of view( and one with a good rep. for throwing 
     awesome parties).  I think it is unfair to expect promoters to plan on 
     breaking even.  THEY are the one fronting all the money, going through 
     the hassle of booking DJ's, picking them up from the airport, etc.  
     Plus I've heard of some actually getting arrested.  Granted sometimes 
     small parties just aren't worth $20, simply decide what parties you 
     think will be worth it and then cross your fingers and carry PLUR in 
     your pocket when you go.
     
     
        E


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Someone on this list wrote:
> 
> the other big reason is greed, pure and simple.  next time you go to a 
> party that seems way over priced, multiplly the ticket price by the
> number of people, and in a lot of cases, the promoters could have 
> knocked off $5 each and still broken even
> 
     
What I am about to say does not apply to all promoters, since it is a 
fact that many promoters *do* charge too much for shit, but in other 
cases, there *do exist* promoters who put on a good event, and to do 
that it costs money.
     
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I was just procrastinating and putzing around hyperreal.  First of all,
the old mw-raves homepage that Steven posted about
(http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/mw/new/) is neat, brought back some
memories.  

Second, I think everyone on this list should go to the mw-raves archives
and read all the posts from mw-raves' first month of existence, November
1992.  

	now what have we learned?
			
			   toastman



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On Wed, 6 May 1998 Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com 
wrote:

[...]
>      Would it be a better idea to bring food that doesn't require cooking? 
>      Is there going to be a net meet? I hope so, i would like to be able to 

I think some people mentioned that they want to have one but I haven't 
heard of anything specifically.  Why not do this: Melissa and I will be 
camping in our Alien Tent of Love so why not use it as a landmark?  It's 
a 16' great-circle dome tent that's white so simply use it as a landmark 
the same way people did last year.  We'll be coming in mid-afternoon on 
Friday so keep your eyes peeled.

[...]
>      Are there any tips people want to give concerning what to bring and 
>      what not to bring?  I've been camping hundreds of times, so that 
>      aspect I'm comfortable with, but what about other things?  What is a 
>      good amount of money to bring with?  Kinda vague, I know.

Bring your own food as whatever is available is not free.  As for cooking 
over a fire, is this going to be possible?  Warm food is always nice 
since, as we all know, if it's Furthur, there's rain.  Also, bring extra 
clothes so if it does rain you can stay dry at least part of the time.  
No sense getting sick while you're trying to have a good time.  And don't 
forget the essentials: toilet paper, note paper and pen to write down 
peoples' phone numbers and such, something to read, dry food, more toilet 
paper.
      
>      This is the first time my friends and I have been to an event like this 
>      and we are really excited.  I just don't want to get there and be like 
>      "I wish I would have known about this, or I wish I would have brought 
>      this, etc., etc."

As is the case for camping in general it isn't a good idea to count on 
the benevolence of others.  Be prepared so if it's readily available you 
can simply share with others.

See ya there,

- Steven



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
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http://barkingcat.org		|	- William of Occam (c1285-1349)


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I really dig wide leg pants, and baggy tops. I see it getting trendy around
town among the youth, but who cares. Wear whatever
ya like. Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) seems to go thru that stage.
Remember vinyl parachute pants,(like the breakers used to wear) well if you
really wanna be unique, wear some of those around.  I really don't see too
many
people around my age(25) or older dressing the way I do, until I go to a
party, so its kinda a way of saying to my peers
fuck you-i'd rather not wear a shirt and a tie and have a Lexus and work in
the Loop. When I walk(no car for me) down
the street to work, in my Q-ambients, baggy shirt, backpack, and walkman;
oblivious to the rat race on the expressway
of selfishness and mass commercialism, people must see me and think
juvenile(i like it!). yeah, i'm an adult, but I don't wanna
be like you, i may be post-adolescent but there's no way i'm trading in my
youthful innocense, wonder, humility- for stocks
on wall street. You may have sold you souls in the 80's but all the money in
the world(or even the new VW Beetle) can't
get them back.

onelove.
noble

"and remember as you travel on lifes highway, to take time to stop and smell
the roses..."


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>does anyone know terry mullen's new school fusion 2 inside and out?  I
must
>know the name of the 2nd to last (3rd to last if you include the daft
punk
>song) track on there. durring the "old school acid" segment.  the track
is
>after a stickman record, and before some weird bleepy song.  It's quite
>minimal, just a 909 and a 303 tweeked way the fuck out.  it's pretty old
song,
>and it's totaly awesome.  My friend said it's a plus8 track by speedy j,
but
>i've listen to all of the plus eight tracks on there sigh and  that song
is
>not on there.  but then i looked around probe and saw a track written by
>jochem paap called three-o-three.  i think this is the song i'm looking
for,
>but i need confermation.  if anyone knows please respond.  i am about to
order
>this track, and i'm afraid it is going to be one of speedy j's lamest
hits.
>
>m.f

that is the track you are looking for....

	public energy - three 'o three [probe05]

it is by jochem... and it's his most rock-em-sock-em acid assault ever...
=]
order it if you can... it's rather old by now (1992)... hope +8 still has
some.
i should get another copy too....

<mark_lancaster>

n.p.  r.hawtin  - mixmag live! vol. 1


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Bring a charcoal grill, and plenty of charcoal, or a camp stove.  You
WILL want warm food, and cooking anything more ambitious than weenie on
stick over a fire is usually a disaster.  

> ----------
> From: 	Steven J. White[SMTP:steve@barkingcat.org]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, May 06, 1998 3:08 PM
> To: 	raving lunatics
> Subject: 	Re: Further questions.....
> 
> On Wed, 6 May 1998
> Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com 
> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >      Are there any tips people want to give concerning what to bring
> and 
> >      what not to bring?  I've been camping hundreds of times, so
> that 
> >      aspect I'm comfortable with, but what about other things?  What
> is a 
> >      good amount of money to bring with?  Kinda vague, I know.
> 
> Bring your own food as whatever is available is not free.  As for
> cooking 
> over a fire, is this going to be possible?  Warm food is always nice 
> since, as we all know, if it's Furthur, there's rain.  Also, bring
> extra 
> clothes so if it does rain you can stay dry at least part of the time.
> 
> No sense getting sick while you're trying to have a good time.  And
> don't 
> forget the essentials: toilet paper, note paper and pen to write down 
> peoples' phone numbers and such, something to read, dry food, more
> toilet 
> paper.
>       
> 

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> [...]
> >      Are there any tips people want to give concerning what to bring and
> >      what not to bring?  I've been camping hundreds of times, so that
> >      aspect I'm comfortable with, but what about other things?  What is a
> >      good amount of money to bring with?  Kinda vague, I know.
>

here's a tip from someone who used to be a professional outdoor retail specialist
(read: camping store salesman):

first:  if you think it's going to rain, bring some raingear.  a poncho, although
gaudy, does wonders.  like a tent you wear, and often available in transparent and
bright freakin orange.

when bringing your own food, pack it in ziplock bags so you don't have a lot of
trash to haul out.  i've never been to a big campout raveathon, but i do know that
4000 kids will generate a lot of waste if they don't think.  coolers are a must
when car-camping.

don't drink the water from the river!  bring a couple gallons of your own or pay
the price of cryptospordia, giardia, or some other horrible bowel-shaking
organism.

if you plan on cooking your own food and don't want to risk a no-fire rule, go out
and get a $20 coleman stove.  cook all you want, and you never have to look for
dry wood!  plus it makes things look a lot better around your campsite.

if you're going to be outside a lot, do yourself a favor and get some GOOD socks.
THE most important item when trying to stay warm, right after the hat.  if you can
afford it, spend $8-15 on a couple good pairs of socks.  stay away from cotton,
cuz cotton kills.  i wear merino wool socks religiously, and haven't had cold feet
in the last 2 years.  they'll stay warm when wet and be cushy for dancing!  plus
they last for ever, unless you lose them.

first aid kits are always handy, unless there's an ambulance or paramedic nearby.
you never know when you're gonna split your head open on a rock from too much
something!

ok enough of the safety and camping lesson.  i'm not going, but i hope everyone
has a wonderful time!

peace
chris


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> people must see me and think juvenile(i like it!). yeah, i'm an adult,
> but I don't wanna be like you, i may be post-adolescent but there's no
> way i'm trading in my youthful innocense, wonder, humility- 
> 
Right on.  I've been there so many times recently.  I went to the
Tempest in St. Louis a few weeks back and the dumbass...I mean, Bouncer,
thought I had a fake ID!!!  The bastard even took it from me until I
protested to the degree of "run it through a police computer and we'll
see who's faking."  For the record, I am 23 (1/2). ;)  Also, I was asked
what high school I went to a few times, too.  hhehe...cool...  Keeping
the mind young and fresh makes the rest of your self follow the lead.
:)  

PLUR & Fountains of youth...
angel O:)  "I don't wanna grow up, I'm a Toys R Us kid..."

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On Wed, 6 May 1998 Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:

>         I just have a few question for those who have been to Further 
>      before, this will be my first time and I just needed some advice.  
>      What is a good time to get there on Friday?  

Before dark.

>      I read that you can't bring firewood, does this mean that we won't be 
>      able to cook out?  

I suppose you could collect wood from the area and cook on a fire. also, 
bringin a camping grill tripod and using charcoal is a good alternative.  
I think the idea is that Drop Bass doesn't want people hauling in tons of 
wood for night fires. They want to focus on community fires.

>      Would it be a better idea to bring food that doesn't require cooking? 

Yes! PB&J, granola (gorp), fruit..
And don't forget that canned food or potatos wrapped in foil (make 
sure to puncture the potato, and rub skins in butter for soft skins) 
can be put at the base of anyones fire to cook easily. Viva Dinty Moore.

>      Is there going to be a net meet? 
Heh, we could schedule one, as if that would help. My suggestion is that 
you come by the 104.5 BOB FM truck and I'll try to hook people up.
Did someone say they were organizing a mwraves camp??

>      Are there any tips people want to give concerning what to bring and 
>      what not to bring?  I've been camping hundreds of times, so that 
>      aspect I'm comfortable with, but what about other things?  What is a 
>      good amount of money to bring with?  Kinda vague, I know.

Well, I don't know what you plan to spend money on. But whatever you do, 
don't leave valuables in your tent, money, records, expensive clothes..
If you bring food for the weekend, you don't need to spend money on that. 
There are always vendors with mixtapes and all that.

* Indispensible items
-lots of extra socks and shoes
-sunblock
-a shovel (if only I'd dug that trench, cries the raver when they see 
their tent in a mudpuddle) 
-Big ass tent stakes that will grab mud and a hammer to drive them
-trash bags
-water or since there is water on site, containers to hold water in, but 
if you don't like funny tasting water, as most country water is, 
bring gallons of your own.

-toilet paper 
-a battery powered radio (104.5 FM, nudge, nudge) 
-a spare tire (I had a flat upon leaving last year)
-FLASHLIGHTS many of them, they always disappear. Glowsticks are also 
very handy.
-rain poncho
-rope for a clothesline (provided it stops raining so things can be hung out)
-a hat to cover that gawd awful hair you will have by Sunday.

this is all I can think of right now...

>      This is the first time my friends and I have been to an event like this 
>      and we are really excited.  I just don't want to get there and be like 
>      "I wish I would have known about this, or I wish I would have brought 
>      this, etc., etc."

Since you already know how to camp, you'll do just fine. 
I think it is funny that there has been all this talk about fashion 
lately. At furthur, it is a trip watching the fashion ravers get all 
dirty! No more white tennies! 
Furthur is an experience that breaks down walls of superficiality like 
fashion and status. We are all out there together to survive together, 
and rock out to the best of our abilities.

I am sooooooo excited!!!!!!!!!!
23 days and counting
elaine
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Excuse the crosspost, but just in case anyone is interested:

Rainbow Blast

90 minutes of happy hardcore fun!!

DJ D.Cypol (PA) - Side A
DJ Noahphex (TX) - Side B

Color jcard, yellow chrome tapes, and more smiles packed into 90 minutes
than ever before!

Cost: $5

I'll also be putting some out locally here in Texas, but record stores always
end up charging more than this. Best and cheapest way to get a copy is to
ask me in person or send a check or money order or cash or coins to:

Noah Lee
1907 Larchmont Dr.
Austin, TX  78704

Track listing is as follows:

Side A - D.Cypol
----------------
Insanity
Samplemania (97 rmx)
Your Love Hits Me(rmx)
Now is the Time
Welcome to the Future
Here to Invade
Wet Like Rain
See the Stars
U R Everything (rmx)

Side B - Noahphex
-----------
I Beleive (Stompy Rmx)
Devotion (Rmx)
Smooth and Irresistable
People Hold On
I'll Never Let You Go
Must Be Love
Eye Opener
Day by Day
I've Got a Feeling
My Guardian Angel



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At 02:14 PM 5/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>you know, i think there should be this massive game of capture the flag, with
>everyone there running around the woods at night.  i loved capture the
flag when
>i was a kid, and i'm sure it would generate many new friends and a new
sense of
>comraderie among everyone involved.  i know if i went to a big outdoor
festival
>like that i would want to play some big huge games.  i doubt there would be a
>clear division between winner and loser, cuz we'd all just be having tons of
>fun!

ooh! yeah! or maybe mw-raves kick-the-can!  (damn i wish i remember how
that game was played)

:P
chris


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<by the way, this is posted to two lists, so delete the list that you
don't belong to before replying to this...>

Okay, I just got Tori Amos' new album, from the choirgirl hotel, and I was
just wondering....

	After hearing track 4, Raspberry Swirl....what will the "club"
remixes sound like?  The song already has a strong beat and some pretty
neat sound texture.  I can see it going both ways: the producers doing the
remixing can make a kickass hardtrance or techno remix of it, or they can
slap some cheezy kick to it and just sample three words from the song over
and over.  Just wondering what the other Tori freaks out here have to
say...

Luis




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dica! wrote:

> another random thought.
>
> i like to confront fucked up idiot child ravers at parties, and question
> their motives.  i also like to think that it might spark something in them
> (besides the meth) that makes them think about what they're doing and what
> they're a part of.

i think everyone needs a wake up call. the reason kids get so fucked up at
parties
is prolly cause they think everyone else around them is. like my last(and only)
probation
officer used to say- do your drugs, don't let your drugs do you.

may the third eye be with you.
noble

np=Minitstry of Sound: LTJ Bukem LIVE! c/o
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/4336/music.html



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>So lets talk about money.  If someone puts up $30,000+ to throw a party,
>FOR YOU, you are saying that in order for *YOU* to pay $5 less, the
>person who is *RISKING* $30,000 (6000 times more than $5) should *ONLY
>EXPECT* to break even, this is what you're saying right?  I'm sure
>anyone on this list would probably agree (however grudgingly) that
>perhaps the someone who *risks* their money should get *something* for
>it, so my question is "how much"?  What is a reasonable return on a
>major investment like that?  5% is $1500, so after two months of
>preparation and $30,000 investment you gain $1500, the sound and light
>companies make more than that.  How about %10, we have just DOUBLED our
>return WOO-HOO $3000!!!!!  Filthy rich now, stinking rich, this is the
>BIG TIME!!!!!!  Three thousand WHOLE DOLLARS!!!!!!  C'mon, what is an
>acceptable rate of return on a VERY risky venture?
>

NO! I want it all! i don't care if you lose money, what's wrong with that
if you claim to love the music?????  

while your at it, supply my vibe for me, hand out free e, and all the
records i can take!


my apologies for the last couple of lines, i DOES seem to be what alot of
us are saying, and i completely agree with tosh that if you risk money, you
should stand to make a profit.  that's why it's so important you support
ONLY the promoters that give you quality evens (and three of them that i
can think of are record labels) plus 8, communique, and drop bass....i'm
sure there's more, but that isn't my point.

with the bitching about consumed's price, i think after the description of
the event, people can see where their money is going.

don't you wish everone cared enough to try to do something new?

but then....we could get into dj greed in stuff, which i'm not going to
touch because i don't understand the concept.
i mean how much would richie hawtin get paid for ohhh say a 5 hour
set...hypothetically.  what about other dj's?
and really, is what we do worth that much?  how many actually make a living
*just* by dj' ing?
i'm going to leave it at this, because it's a rather touchy subject for me,
and i don't need another one of those.  
i'll be interested to see if someone discusses it.

Peace,
Chad

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>there ARE kids who go to a party having no idea what dj is on, who's 
>even
>playing, and are just there to escape their evil allowance-giving 
>parents
>from hell and their oh-so-horrible life by coming and using whatever 
>escape
>mechanisms they can at raves.

like it or not (most obviously, you dont like it), this is a part of
raves.  a part that has always been there and will always be there in the
future.  its part of this whole thing.  yeahyeah...  musik, musik... 
blah blah blah...  but part of raves is escaping life.  plain and simple.

jawsh!

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>apparently dr. sponholz does not realize that this is a mailing list, 
>and
>that all my comments are not directed at him specifically.

get off it, dica...

>the key word here is OPINION.  i don't think anyone here would say 
>that i
>have the "end all be all" knowledge about the rave scene.  if i did 
>and
>everyone agreed, things would be changing, wouldn't they?

really, now...
you can climb off your horse any day now...

>see, people DON'T ask who's on.  most people don't even CARE.  isn't 
>it
>all, or at least MOSTLY, about the music?  or didn't it start that 
>way?

mebbe.
but theres -more- to raves than musik.
did we all forget this?
geez...

>that's what mw-raves is about.  issues.  and some issues are petty to 
>some
>people.

and some ppl are petty to issues...

where are our heads, yalls?
in our snobbish raver asses?

jawsh!

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did we -ever- stop to think for one moment that just because we
personally may think or believe theres a certain way/mentality/whatever
of ravers (to use a really shitty term), that its possible not -every-
one thinks the same?

isnt that part of the beauty of this thing ccalled 'rave'?  being able to
think for ones self and still unite under great musik?

*shrug*

i think mebbe some ppl needa climb down from their oh so high and oh so
holier than thou pedastals and realize theres many different ways to be a
part of the rave  movement.  and that your way, my way, or anyones way is
not the only and correct way...

jawsh!

>i like to confront fucked up idiot child ravers at parties, and 
>question
>their motives.  i also like to think that it might spark something in 
>them
>(besides the meth) that makes them think about what they're doing and 
>what
>they're a part of.
>
>but then i think that i'm probably wrong, they don't give two shits.

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ok my fellow peeps in the mid-west....just an update that the tapes i said i
would send you guys, are coming along slowly - but - surely...i still have
28 tapes to send out...so, i am trying my hardest to get them out as fast as
possible...i hope you guys like it...=0)...i'll post the track listing of it
online tomorrow....peace...love...unity....respect....

j.love
*303*collective
http://members.tripod.com/~three_oh_three
sign the guest book!!!!

"man, you gotta bang that shit!!!!...make them kids bust through
walls!!!..."
--razor f.m. may 4th, 1998 

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forwarded to me from a fellow dj...maybe it will start a new
conversation.....

DJ Etiquette 101
	There's a reason why many DJ booths are elevated:  so that DJs can
avoid
constant aggravation from request-makers.  Generally, a club will hire a DJ
for his or her proven ability to engage a crowd's mood, and spin
accordingly.
That's not to say that requests are always unwelcome, but if you annoy the
maestro, you're less likely to hear your favorite tune.  Here are a few
helpful hints from a DJ's point of view.

1. First of all, never attempt to get a DJ's attention when their headphones
are on!  They are obviously either cueing or mixing a record, and both
require
concentration.

2. Never, whine, "Play something i can dance to."  Only an idiot would
assume
that a DJ would know what a total stranger would enjoy boogieing to.

3. Don't ask a DJ for a pen.

4. Don't ask a DJ for a tape (unless you are a promoter or fellow DJ).

5. Don't request a song that's totally different from all the other
selections
in the DJ's repertoire. (For example: "Space Oddity" is a great song,
but......it doesn't exactly fit between "Masters at Work" and "Josh Wink.")

6. Never make a retarded request (i.e. Skinny Puppy, Aqua, MC Hammer etc.)
and
then, after the DJ says, "I don't have it" ask, "Well, what do you have?"
Do
you really expect us to list every piece of music we've brought?

7. Do not pick up records without asking: they don't belong to you.  Do DJs
pick up your drinks and drink them?  (Well, actually, I seem to remember
doing
this a time or two toward the end of the night, but do two wrongs make a
right?)

8. DJs are normally flattered when asked, "What is this you're spinning?"
----unless, of course, you follow their reply with, "I really hate it."

9. Some DJs are open to suggestions.  Some aren't.  So always preface your
suggestions with "Do you take requests?" 

10. Sizable tips and/or sexual favors are always welcome.

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     Having lost my share of money on parties I guess I qualify as a real 
     person who can respond.
     
     If you are running a business then yes you need to be concerned about 
     making a profit.
     
     Since I throw/threw parties for the fun of it, basically cause my 
     house was too small to invite a good 200+ friends to party I/we 
     decided throw larger parties.  The plan???  Break even.
     
     That said...  its hard as hell to figure out how much to charge to 
     just break even.  Our first party we needed 600 people to break even 
     and 1400 people showed.  WOW!  Nice profit.
     
     Next party we brought in DJ's that weren't well known but were 
     talented as hell(T1000 for starters)...  ohmmm only 3-400 showed and 
     we lost almost all we gained from the first party...
     
     BUT, it just gets harder as it gets larger.  With numbers like 
     5000-20000.. its just a complete bet.  And I doubt many folks are 
     willing to risk $30000+ on a party like this to just break even.
     
     SO... I guess I see it both ways.  I just prefer to do it just for 
     fun.  No qualms with those who want to make a living off it...  its 
     just not my thing.
     
     -Giles
     
     


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
     
I apologise if you don't want to think of "raves" in terms of capital, 
investment, risk, rates, returns, etc., but this is a REALITY, and if 
you don't like it then move somewhere where the government will throw 
all your "raves" for you as part of their social services programs.
     
I think the professionals who read this, really wish that some of you 
idealists would take a dose of reality, instead of acid, and realise 
that a major event costs LOTS of money, and it is EXTREMELY unfair of 
you to expect them to break even AT BEST.
     
Tosh - Online Content @ Plus 8 Records

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> Bring a charcoal grill, and plenty of charcoal, or a camp stove.  You
> WILL want warm food, and cooking anything more ambitious than weenie on
> stick over a fire is usually a disaster.  

i can survive pretty easily without cooked food, but maybe i'm just weird.
anyway i have cooked frozen burritos on sticks before. they taste good. 
you kind of have to watch them to be sure they don't tear and fall off.
also i cooked spaghettios by putting the (open!) can next to the fire. and
somebody gave me some apple instant oatmeal cooked on a fire once, that
was strange (especially when candyflipping), but good even without milk.
anyway you can cook lots of stuff on fires if you use a little 
imagination. remember to bring dish soap and wash any pans in the sinks,
not rivers, unless maybe you have special camping soap (?).

np: nothing, i just ran out of tapes =(

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he eee hee....

o0o[qiB.]o0o


-----Original Message-----
From: KULTBOX <KULTBOX@aol.com>
To: ILLST8UND@aol.com <ILLST8UND@aol.com>; Rubbergrrl@aol.com
<Rubbergrrl@aol.com>; analogue@hyperreal.org <analogue@hyperreal.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 6:13 PM
Subject: Fwd: (GABBER) Crystal Method Rates


>Ok boys and Girls.....here is some food fer thought....get your Nord Leads
and
>MPC-3000's out....can this be true?
>
>rob
>kultbox chicago
>
>
>In a message dated 98-05-06 17:20:18 EDT, hhawkins@accesspr.com writes:
>
><< Subj: (GABBER) Crystal Method Rates
> Date: 98-05-06 17:20:18 EDT
> From: hhawkins@accesspr.com (h hawkins)
> Sender: gabber-owner@hyperreal.org
> To: gabber@hyperreal.org (gabbers)
>
> Good God! Just tried to book Crystal Method for this corporate thing I'm
> throwing. They are planning to play a party at the convention, and will go
to
> whoever meets their requirements first- $25,000 plus 5 round-trip, 1st
class
> air, 5 single hotel rooms, and full sound and light setup to their
> specifications. Holy fucking shit! Talk about cashing in on the whole
> electronica thing... Oh, to be a star...
> o+   smrfitt (the chick who'll pay YOU to let her play at your party...)
>  >>
>
>


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midwest,

Is anyone here on any other music related lists not related to electronic
music or raves?  (Specifically I am thinking of a punk related list but
any comparable mailing lists would be fine). 

The reason I ask is that I am curious what sort of things they debate on
their lists.  I think we all know what gets discussed here (and most
likely on lists in other regions) but I wonder if this compares to other
types people on other lists.  Do they debate fashion and selling out as
well?

My hypothesis is that they do; after they finish making fun of ravers for
having fat fucking pants, that is.

Any experiences?
Adam Meadows


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ohh man.... i could go on and on and on about that (and maybe one day i will).


this just oozes the dj-stuck-uppedness that i really hate.  not that i'd do any of these things anyways...but "never ask a dj for a pen" ???????? ok.


besides most dj's are on a stage nowadays completely separated from the crowd (which i strongly dissagree with)

so i doubt many of them have this problem...unless this is talking about club dj's ?


whatever.


Chad

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i've just been informed our radio station now broadcasts live on the net, so
now people have the opportunity to check out STRICTLY JUNGLE CHICAGO, which
is friday nights from 11-12 CST at:

http://www.wnur.org/live.ram

the strictly jungle show is the #1 weekly drum & bass radio show in the
country, and has been running since january 1995, making it the
longest-running d&b show as well.  check it out and see what all the hype is
about.

peace

mike/snuggles

PS:  don't forget about chicagoland's newest d&b radio show, dubshack jungle
radio at 92.7 FM between 12-2 (right after the strictly jungle show 89.3
FM)... drum & bass finally hits chicago's commercial airwaves, and you know
it'll be done proper as dubshack is running it.

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 06 23:02:17 1998
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I saw this on DCRAVES...some girl got it from a random person at April Fools,
kind of a nice change to get this , rather than a pocket full-o-flyers...check
it ..


"'This existence of ours is as transient as autumn clouds.
        To watch the birth and death of beings is like
        looking at the movements of a dance.
        A life time is like a flash of lighning in the sky.'
        Tonight is a time to reflect on this impermanent miracle
        We are given at this moment of now surrounded by
        movement and rhythm. It serves as a mirror through
        which we watch the world's tale being told. Intensity
        and human emotion interlock with magic and mystery.
        Life _is_ short, feel this power deep in your core
        and realize it's place in us all, it's place in nature's
        eternal, spinning gift of life.
                Look deeply, Love strongly, dance hard..."

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 06 23:04:27 1998
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Joseph Mazzotta wrote:

>
>
> 10. Sizable tips and/or sexual favors are always welcome.

  Fuck yeah!!!!!!!!!!

peace
Aaron


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i think that all of this is referring to when the dj is playing...

> ----------
> From: 	Chad Sponholz[SMTP:cspon@csd.uwm.edu]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, May 06, 1998 4:58 PM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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> 
> ohh man.... i could go on and on and on about that (and maybe one day i
> will). 
> 
> this just oozes the dj-stuck-uppedness that i really hate.  not that i'd
> do any of these things anyways...but "never ask a dj for a pen" ????????
> ok. 
> 
> besides most dj's are on a stage nowadays completely separated from the
> crowd (which i strongly dissagree with) 
> so i doubt many of them have this problem...unless this is talking about
> club dj's ? 
> 
> whatever. 
> 
> Chad 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> Chad M. Sponholz  
> cspon@csd.uwm.edu 
> http://www.uwm.edu/~cspon 
> 
> "Dude! a huge rat just checked out your leg!" - Greg 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 06 23:19:45 1998
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>         I just have a few question for those who have been to Further
>      before, this will be my first time and I just needed some advice.

hrm. just outta curiosity. does anyone know if richie's actually been booked and
confirmed for for this event? from what i've been told. this comin' from a good
source...richie is not confirmed. and personally i don't want to go all the way
to wisconsin if he is not. if anyone from dbn can set the record straight that'd
be great. i mean i wouldn't want peeps to miss richie this weekend because they
*think* they can see richie at even further.

mikey from windsor.


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> 
> hrm. just outta curiosity. does anyone know if richie's actually been booked and
> confirmed for for this event? from what i've been told. this comin' from a good
> source...richie is not confirmed. and personally i don't want to go all the way
> to wisconsin if he is not. if anyone from dbn can set the record straight that'd
> be great. i mean i wouldn't want peeps to miss richie this weekend because they
> *think* they can see richie at even further.


*LAFF*     read the promoter name:   DROP BASS NETWORK         enough
said.     dont spread rumors like this.

btw....on 1/31  didnt mr. hawtin spin/perform for the SAME PROMOTION crew?  

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
217.353.5111



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 06 23:35:56 1998
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does anyone know the name of the 2nd to last track (or third to last if you
include "da funk") on terry mullen's new school fusion 2?  It's after a
stickman record, and before some bleepy funky song.. . I think it's three-o-
three by jochem paap, but i need some one to confirm this for me.  the song is
just a 909 and a 303 tweeked way the fuck out.  if anyone knows the name,
please respond!  i'll be your best friend.  

m.f.

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>hrm. just outta curiosity. does anyone know if richie's actually been
booked and
>confirmed for for this event? from what i've been told. this comin' from a
good
>source...richie is not confirmed. and personally i don't want to go all
the way
>to wisconsin if he is not. if anyone from dbn can set the record straight
that'd
>be great. i mean i wouldn't want peeps to miss richie this weekend because
they
>*think* they can see richie at even further.

I have the printed flyer right here in front of me, and it does indeed say
richie hawtin.

drop bass doesn't fuck around. 

he's booked.

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 06 23:46:09 1998
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>hrm. just outta curiosity. does anyone know if richie's actually been
booked and
>confirmed for for this event? from what i've been told. this comin' from a
good
>source...richie is not confirmed. and personally i don't want to go all
the way
>to wisconsin if he is not. if anyone from dbn can set the record straight
that'd
>be great. i mean i wouldn't want peeps to miss richie this weekend because
they
>*think* they can see richie at even further.

richie certainly is not the only act that will be at further this year, and
i would encourage anyone to come out just to see the other acts regardless
of whether or not richie will be there.  although i am looking forward to
seeing him (i always do).

Chad

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> >hrm. just outta curiosity. does anyone know if richie's actually been
> booked and
> >confirmed for for this event? from what i've been told. this comin' from a
> good
> >source...richie is not confirmed. and personally i don't want to go all
> the way
> >to wisconsin if he is not. if anyone from dbn can set the record straight
> that'd
> >be great. i mean i wouldn't want peeps to miss richie this weekend because
> they
> >*think* they can see richie at even further.
>
> richie certainly is not the only act that will be at further this year, and
> i would encourage anyone to come out just to see the other acts regardless
> of whether or not richie will be there.  although i am looking forward to
> seeing him (i always do).

trust me. i do know that. and that is why i'm probably goin'. heiko laux. steve
hurley and i mean the reason why i'm goin'.....kevin yost!!! omigawd. i am so
excited. anyway. i'm just tryin' to get a response outta dbn. i know dbn's
history. blah blah. i don't need peeps to tell me. i just want a reply from
them tellin me that richie has been confirmed. that's all. i want the truth! :)

mikey from windsor.



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Believe it or not, I have the very message Steven White was talking about
(I hope, or I'll feel really dumb).  This is courtesy of KC for in
preparation of Even Furthur.

Cheers!
Amene
******************************************************
   Satan currently resides in Martinsville, Indiana 
   where he is currently tormenting racists. 

RHIT Computer Science                 Massive Magazine
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:10:36 -0500
From: kctopitz@itis.com
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
Subject: lil' furthur preparation

it's one week away. here are some suggestions for little furthur,
assuming it's actually gonna happen.

for water, 1 gallon should go the weekend.

for food, simple is the key. bagels, fruit, nice crisp vegetables,
bread, peanut butter, crackers or other munchies, etc. anything that
requires cooking or work in general will probably be too much of a pain
to wanna deal with once you're there. as for quantity, you're better off
with too much than too little. also, marshmellows to roast around the
campfire, only half these tend to get eaten up before the fire is ever
made.

warm dry clothes, changes of warm dry clothes, and something to cover up
in and stay dry in. expect your shoes to get very muddy. boots are
handy. remember extra socks.

a tent. don't go expecting to find someone else's tent to crash in.

a tarp to put your tent on. it's not fun to sleep in a tent that has
water soaking through the floor.

sleeping bag, warm blankets, more warm blankets.

flashlights. maybe even 1 mini to have with you at all times, and one
larger powerful one to get around at night and throw in your backpack.
if you have one of those halogen bike lights (with the oval-shaped end)
that slips off yer bike, bring it. they're bright, they're small, and
they have an interesting effect if you're walking down a dark path while
shrooming.

a camera.

a towel, soap, toothbrush and toothpaste, contact stuff, shaving shit,
vitamins, deoderant, etc.

if you have to leave by a certain time to get back for work, school,
whatever, maybe bring an alarm clock. you probably don't wanna rely on
anyone to wake you up at a certain time, even if they say they know
they'll be awake.

extra keys for your car. you'll probably want to lock some of your stuff
in there, and it's nice to have extra keys to give to the people you
came with so they don't have to find you when they need something.

if you have extra space, bring extra food and water. buy a big bag of
oranges or some more bagels. there will likely be people there who won't
be as prepared as you, and they'll be *very* thankful if you hand them a
piece of fruit on monday morning.

if you still have extra space, bring some dry firewood. bring newspaper
for kindling.

at the party...

parking: careful where you park. roads turn to mud. keep that in mind
and use common sense.

if it's cold, wet and muddy, it's furthur. if you are freezing, you can
take haven in either your tent, which is often still rather cold. often
the better option is to go to the main tent. large amounts of people
produce a lot of heat, and the main tent is where you should be anyway.

mentally, start getting your mind in gear for the coming weekend. more
later.

-kc



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Um, where did the rumour that Richie Hawtin was going to be at Further
come from?  At least, I THINK it was a rumour going around.  I'd need to
see it in writing before I believe it.

Anyway, whose going?

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Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:
> 
>      Aren't these the same DJ's that always play the Chicago scene?  I
>      think I must have seen each one of these guys like 50 times.
> 
>      E
> 

They aren't some of the most popular DJs in Chicago for no reason! 

That's prolly one reason why they are doing a tour, to give other ppl a
chance to hear them. 

-- Robin 
Kansas City

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ok, i -think- i read something that steven.j.white wrote about his alien
head tent or some such shit being the beacon for all net.ravers to look
for and conglomorate and such...  is this true?

has it then been established that thisll be the place to hook up and meet
ppl and shits?  cuz, theres more n more ppl im meeting thru this list
that id like to meet up with at furthur.  but furthur is so big and crazy
that itll be pretty damn difficult to make set times and such for
meetings.

if it hasnt yet been agreed upon and established, i think we should make
an attempt at setting it up firmly and stuff...

any votes?

jawsh!

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>hrm. just outta curiosity. does anyone know if richie's actually been 
>booked and
>confirmed for for this event? from what i've been told. this comin' 
>from a good
>source...richie is not confirmed.

well, i most certainly am not from dbn.  and i find it kinda hard to
believe that someone is actually questioning this, considering it is dbn
and furthur.  but i would say, you could nearly bet your life that richie
will be there.

and whats this about not going to furthur if richie isnt there?  what? 
damn...  youre bound to have a -dope- time at furthur no matter who is
there.  the fact that richie will be just makes it all that much better.

but, if youve -really- got questions, i suggest e.mailing the dbn guys
personally.  dropbass@execpc.com

*hugs.nugs.n.breakbeats*

jawsh!

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> the rumor came from him being listed on the hundreds of flyers
> going around here in the midwest

And how can you be sure that he'll be there?  What if HE doesn't know
about it, like I am guessing...

Does anybody have a REAL flyer with his name on it?

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Ok, how's this sound:

MW-RAVES NET CITY:
Steven J's ALIEN tent will be the TOWN HALL for MW-RAVES NET CITY, place 
your tent somewhere near his (is this ok steven?)

NET MEET CENTRAL:
Tune in your radio to 104.5 BOB-FM, the location of the DIY System for 
BOB-FM will be given out at random, frequent intervals, over the air, 
all weekend long. If you want to MEET OTHER NET RAVERS, stop by the 
BOB-FM system, and there will be a lot of us mulling arround, convulsing 
from computer withdrawl... we will also be able to direct you to Steven 
J's location if you're having trouble finding it.

let me know what you think...

Craig/xotis/SPREE

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On Wed, 6 May 1998, Runs with scissors wrote:

> And how can you be sure that he'll be there?  What if HE doesn't know
> about it, like I am guessing...
> 
> Does anybody have a REAL flyer with his name on it?

yea...i passed out about 750 of them in detroit last weekend...and RH's
name was on all of them....and besides, Drop Bass brought HIM in for Kiss
the Sky...

besides, Drop Bass is in league with Satan...

matt

look-out for....

*Remember the Magic* 5.22.98 (Acid Pimp, 3D, Maddgroove, Dave Siska...)

Positive Thursdays 16 5.28.98 (the MW-Raves special edition!!)

WHPK/WNUR sound tent at FURTHUR 5.29-31 (techno, happy hardcore, jungle)       

*BONKERS* 8.15.98 (Happy Hardcore!!!!!!!!!)


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>i'm just tryin' to get a response outta dbn. i know 
>dbn's
>history. blah blah. i don't need peeps to tell me. i just want a reply 
>from
>them tellin me that richie has been confirmed. that's all. i want the 
>truth! :)

well, then fukkin e.mail them!
youll be wasting your time tho.
cuz theyll just tell you hes booked.
but, if you must insist, e.mail them...

jawsh!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 07 01:09:26 1998
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It's that time again, for your weekly dose of drum and bass via radio 
distortion.
take you real audio player and point to 
http://radiodistortion.com
and activate the test feed..

8-9 Me, miscellaneous with the drum and the bass.
9-10 StevenJ with the Detroit and New York kind of techno

off to the decks

elaine

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In a message dated 5/6/98 8:10:43 PM Central Daylight Time, gage@hyperreal.org
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<< 
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 > 
 > are we going to be camping next to our
 > cars, or are we not going to have instant access to them, 
 > it would change the way you prepare completely....
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 > oh yea, and if anyone has a towtruck, bring that with also
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To send a message to the list please send it to mw-raves@hyperreal.org

(you sent it to mw-raves-owner@, that's me!)


:) jeff


On Wed, 6 May 1998, Eucalptus wrote:

> 	
> 
> are we going to be camping next to our
> cars, or are we not going to have instant access to them, 
> it would change the way you prepare completely....
> 
> oh yea, and if anyone has a towtruck, bring that with also
> it would probably end up coming in handy... :)
> 
> and maybe a napkin, one or two should do the trick.....
> 

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Jeff Gage                                            gage@hyperreal.org

              Are you an anomaly or perhaps an algorithm?

http://www.hyperreal.org/~gage        for://ward.the.new/rev/olut.ion!


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>And how can you be sure that he'll be there?  What if HE doesn't know
>about it, like I am guessing...

what the -fuk- are you talking about???

>Does anybody have a REAL flyer with his name on it?

i got about 1000 of em in my room mates room and scattered round the
house.

check the website, too...

http://www.execpc.com/~dropbass/

fukkin ay...
rumors...

*shaking.head*

jawsh!

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  I remember somebody posting some information about the Chicago Hemp
Fest awhile back,
and they had included the date May 9 and 10. Does anyone have any more
information on this
event? URL? whatever?

thanks.
onelove.
noble



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Enough crap... look, the scene would be a lot better if petty monkey raver
would just SHUT UP AND DANCE!!! ok, maybe that made no sense but you caught
the last part... Look, if we all just forgot about every one we "don't
like" because of what they wear, the thing with raves in the begining was a
buncha people who just got together and danced to the groove...
	Now I know its kinda weird to acept but if people got back to that initial
vibe oh god could we party... bottom line is---who cares what you like and
don't like just dance, thats what you came for right?! Check one last
thing, in the begining, when raves first started there where no "ravers"
there where just some break dancers, druggies, hippies, nerds with
synthesizers(now we just call 'em DJs) and a buncha people drawn to the
groove n vibe... there is no such thing as a raver, thats why I said I'm
not one... Dig it guys, please think about what I said for at least three
minutes before you answer...

>od>>>just a guy who likes dancing....


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                   UNIT, JLP & Amnesia Records Present


                            R E L E A S E D
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                   A Tape Release Party For DJ Dan X


                           Friday, May 15th
                              8PM - 2AM
                    17 & up... 21 w/ ID to consume
                    Downtown Milwaukee,  Wisconsin
                       2401 West Wisconsin Ave.
                   [Same spot as DBN New Years Eve]
                      Info & Direx 414.256.1715

                               Only 8$


                           Performances by

                              DJ Dan X
            [Solid State Records, JLP & man of the hour.]

               DJ Steven Kaye    vs.    Paul Matthew
            [UNIT, WMSE 91.7FM]      [Amnesia Records]
       Milwaukee's Techno Radio Prophet takes on his nemesis.

                Deepstar         vs.     DJ Deelishus
               [JLP, GEM]             [The Untouchables]
                       Tag-Team Jungle Warfare

                              DJ 6FM
                       Old School Milwaukee



               20,000 Watts of Bass by Turbo Sound

                 Visual Stimulation by Laser Bob

                        Don't be late...
     The first 50 peeps paid recieve a complimentary mixtape.


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MAN I HEARD THAT DROP BASS IS A BUNK-ASS PROMOTER FULL OF SHIT DUDE AND
THEY'RE SO FULL OF SHIT THAT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS SELL YOU A TICKET FOR
$50 BECAUSE THEY'RE BUNK RIGHT AND BUNK-ASS PROMOTERS JACK UP THEIR TICKET
PRICES RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE FOR LIKE 20 HOURS TO GET TO A
BUNK DIRTY MUDDY FIELD AND THERE'LL BE SOME GUY WITH A BOOMBOX PLAYING ROCK
YOU LIKE A HURRICAINE BY THE SCORPIONS DUDE.  I MEAN IT MAN I HEARD IT FROM
THIS GUY WHO KNOWS THIS OTHER GUY WHO TALKED TO KURT ONCE (YA KNOW JETHROX
DUDE) AND HE TOLD THIS GUY THAT FURTHUR IS ALL ABOUT FUCKING PEOPLE OVER
AND SHIT.  SO WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY DUDE IS THAT NOBODY ON THAT FLYER IS
ACTUALLY CONFIRMED.  I HEARD IT FROM A REALLY RELIABLE SOURCE MAN.

MAN I NEED SOME TWEAK.



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 07 02:35:27 1998
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hey ya'll!
i'm lookin' forward to this TIGHT-ASS party!
i'll be representin' to see what midwest parties are
all about! all the HYPE i've been hearing...werd!
i'm kickin' from DC...yupyup! east coast! :P
later...

*hugz*
aspen

ps
mmm...booty! :)

>vibeonauts present:
>                 
>            **********************************************
>            **** W I N D Y  C I T Y  A L L  S T A R S ****
>            **********************************************
>            *MAY 16*******************************CHICAGO*
>            **********************************************
>                             *with dj's*
>
>*BOO WILLIAMS*                                      *ROBERT ARMANI*
>*GLENN UNDERGROUND*                                    *MARK GRANT*
>*PAUL JOHNSON*                                           *GANT MAN*
>*SLUGGO*                                            *JEVON JACKSON*
>*DJ FUNK*                                             *MIKE STEELE*
>*TRAXX*                                                *PROJEKT:PM*
>*JUSTIN LONG*                                             *BRIAN G*
>*HALO*                                                     *FLOPPY*
>*JOHN B.I.D.*                                         *MIKE GROOVE*
>*MYSTIC BILL*                                       *MATT MICHAELS*
>*SCOTT "SMOKIN" SILZ*                                   *HUGO MOYA*
>*DJ SEVEN*                                              *THREE JAY*
>*RESPOND*                                             *DOCTOR GROO*
>*DANNY THA WILDCHILD*                                  *PHANTOM 45*
>*DJ 3-D*                                                 *SNUGGLES*
>*R-YN*                                                       *PHIX*
>
>                             info lines
>                 773.604.1644          312.409.0618
>                 773.509.5159          773.509.2977
>

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 07 02:51:59 1998
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hey, I take offense to your badmouthing of the brilliant song "Rock you like a
hurricane" by the greatest band ever, the Scorpions!!!!!
Don't make me rock you like a hurricane, gimme some of that tweak, I got 2
lightbulbs for you and me, 
love,
that one guy with that stuff on his head

In a message dated 98-05-06 22:33:52 EDT, you write:

> MAN I HEARD THAT DROP BASS IS A BUNK-ASS PROMOTER FULL OF SHIT DUDE AND
>  THEY'RE SO FULL OF SHIT THAT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS SELL YOU A TICKET FOR
>  $50 BECAUSE THEY'RE BUNK RIGHT AND BUNK-ASS PROMOTERS JACK UP THEIR TICKET
>  PRICES RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE FOR LIKE 20 HOURS TO GET TO A
>  BUNK DIRTY MUDDY FIELD AND THERE'LL BE SOME GUY WITH A BOOMBOX PLAYING ROCK
>  YOU LIKE A HURRICAINE BY THE SCORPIONS DUDE.  I MEAN IT MAN I HEARD IT FROM
>  THIS GUY WHO KNOWS THIS OTHER GUY WHO TALKED TO KURT ONCE (YA KNOW JETHROX
>  DUDE) AND HE TOLD THIS GUY THAT FURTHUR IS ALL ABOUT FUCKING PEOPLE OVER
>  AND SHIT.  SO WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY DUDE IS THAT NOBODY ON THAT FLYER IS
>  ACTUALLY CONFIRMED.  I HEARD IT FROM A REALLY RELIABLE SOURCE MAN.
>  
>  MAN I NEED SOME TWEAK.

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I just had to add to this string -- being a promoter/ravah that has lost
a fair share of cash purely for the joy of contributing to the scene via
parties ...  The most I ever lost on an event was about $400, (which
isn't that bad, really), ..and I felt it was well worth the loss to put
on the event - the vibe was beautiful, the party looked and sounded
great, and lots of people had a great time. :)  The most I ever made on a
party was about $50, (and I was ecstatic).  Throwing a party is a
financial gamble, and of course I always hope to break even, and if I
don't, oh well.

I think of throwing parties as sorta' a labor of love.  All the toil and
effort is worth contributing to the scene and watching the event go off.

I've noticed lately that there's three different kinds of people that
throw parties: people that throw parties for status or whatevah, people
that do it as part of a legitamite buisness (for promotion reasons,
ect.), and people that do it out of love.  ..As for me, i have only the
purest of motives.  

One way or another, it's people, great or small, that keep the scene
going.

I recall attending a lovely party in ohio back in '94 (Wisdom? is that
what it was called?) with Moby, Derrick Carter, Terry Mullen, ect., it
was dope as hell and it only cost $3.  I understand why people bitch
about the prices now-a-days, but parties cost alot more to put now than
they used to - (ya' know, "safe, legal venues" have taken the place of
illegal warehouses and ect.)  I thought I'd also add that there are DJs
that share my vision with the labor of love and contribution thing, but
-seriously- (as far as headliners go) if you were getting paid a grand or
more to spin for an hour of your time, I could see how one might become a
bit "greedy" when it came to gigs..  (btw, as I heard it, jeff mills
won't spin in the US because there isn't enuff $$$ in parties here, ..but
then again, if you were getting paid $10,000 to fukk shit up..)

Oh well, I've rambled long enuff!!

in love and vision.. :) :) :)
jessica/jes c. 
.. listenin to dara and luvin it .. 

((([]-[])))hypnotic  (soon to be doing flyers!!)
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you dirty dogs... I distinctly heard several people calling drug users
dirty, stupid, morons, and all other kinds of meanie-like stuff... 
fact is I am not dirty, stupid or anything you spandex ridden dingleberrys
called me.... the insults are just in good fun, I am joking, but you guys
on the other hand are not. I was serious about my feelings though. every
day I have to hear people trash on people who do drugs and it really hurts
(I am not joking now) please, just cause someone does drugs does not mean
they cease being whatever they where before... you guys are real jerks.. I
suggest you rethink your cruel opinions or at leas keep em to yourselves.
If you where on the bus with a kindly looking old black grandma you wouldnt
yell "DAMN NIGGERS"...

respect eh?

od


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i just want a reply from
>them tellin me that richie has been confirmed. that's all. i want the
truth! :)
>
>mikey from windsor.
>


Umm... if your from Windsor (Ontario I presume?), then why don't you pop on
down
to the "Building" on walker St. and ask the man himself. He isn't a god,
he's just
flesh and blood like us.. you can talk to him without averting your vision
or
the fear of transmutating into a pillar of salt... and by chance he cocks a
attitude,
bring his head down to ground level... remind him that egotism is a most
terminal
disease.

Just a thought..


        o0o[qiB.]o0o




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According to Pontiac bylaws, those under 18 years of age are NOT allowed
to be out after 12am, or something of the sort, it is not actually us
who are checking age, but the space, which is a legal space, and certain
legal issues MUST be observed.

Tosh

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OD wrote:
> I distinctly heard several people calling drug users
>dirty, stupid, morons, and all other kinds of meanie-like stuff...
snip
>If you where on the bus with a kindly looking old black grandma you wouldnt
>yell "DAMN NIGGERS"...

in my opinion, equating people making fun/criticizing drug users is not the
same as using a racial slur.
why is that?  drug use is a concious choice by the user and they CAN change
this aspect of themselves.
a person who is being subjected to a racial slur because of something like
SKIN COLOR is NOT THE SAME because it is something they CANNOT CHANGE.

plese refrain from making these gross and atrocious comparisons in the future.

--LYNN--





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Re:  Richie at Further, he hasn't mentioned it to me, but that means
nothing.  I will be in Pontiac on site tomorrow for the installation of
the ISDN lines, and will hopefully be able to set the record straight
regarding Rich at Further tomorrow night.

Tosh

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In a message dated 5/5/98 2:58:38 PM, you wrote:

>I am just waiting for some one to _really_ combine jungle and hardcore.
>That will be fucking rough!  And I know its been tried a little but it
>doesnt have any real support yet and what attempts I have heard are
>lacking.

>Since all (all as in most that is) sub-genres of jungle end in step and
>all subgenres of gabber end in core, this new music will henceforth be
>known as: step-core. You heard it here first. Well...probably not.


u should check out the dutch 'BEATS op je FIETS CREW' release on chicago's
kultbox label (who threw the gabberjunglewar)....more jungle than hardcore,
but a nice shot at...ummmm....'step-core' 

:s:

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>in my opinion, equating people making fun/criticizing drug users is not the
>same as using a racial slur.
>why is that?  drug use is a concious choice by the user and they CAN change
>this aspect of themselves.
>a person who is being subjected to a racial slur because of something like
>SKIN COLOR is NOT THE SAME because it is something they CANNOT CHANGE.


This is precisely why making fun of drug users is WORSE than racial
comments.

Think about it this way, skin color is something a human is born with, it
doesn't
necessarily say anything about their ideological standpoints. On the other
hand,
drug usage (along with religious choices/ political choices/ fashion
choices)
make a definitive statement about THAT PERSONS SPECIFIC PARADIGM OF
REALITY, which (to say the lest) is a twinge more personal...

So, to reiterate, making fun of a specific, chosen aspect of a individual
persona is more of a direct attack upon themselves than skin color...

later on..

        o0o[qiB.]o0o


>plese refrain from making these gross and atrocious comparisons in the
future.


I like this sentance, can I keep it?





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	please before everyone and their mom goes to town on this one, id
like to be the first one to say " dont waste your fucking time" please, do you
have any idea how hard it is to look at each of the topics when i check my
mail
and keep hitting the damn delete key, im afraid that if we all start
responding
to this one, my finger is gonna fall off..... 


id also like to add that people who consume illegal narcotics are not the same
as a minority, in any way shape of form, and if you dont agree, bite me!

".......ah go break off a glowstick in your ass!"  - me :)

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chris ege wrote:
> 
> MAN I HEARD THAT DROP BASS IS A BUNK-ASS PROMOTER FULL OF SHIT DUDE AND
> THEY'RE SO FULL OF SHIT THAT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS SELL YOU A TICKET FOR
> $50 BECAUSE THEY'RE BUNK RIGHT AND BUNK-ASS PROMOTERS JACK UP THEIR TICKET
> PRICES RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE FOR LIKE 20 HOURS TO GET TO A
> BUNK DIRTY MUDDY FIELD AND THERE'LL BE SOME GUY WITH A BOOMBOX PLAYING ROCK
> YOU LIKE A HURRICAINE BY THE SCORPIONS DUDE.  I MEAN IT MAN I HEARD IT FROM
> THIS GUY WHO KNOWS THIS OTHER GUY WHO TALKED TO KURT ONCE (YA KNOW JETHROX
> DUDE) AND HE TOLD THIS GUY THAT FURTHUR IS ALL ABOUT FUCKING PEOPLE OVER
> AND SHIT.  SO WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY DUDE IS THAT NOBODY ON THAT FLYER IS
> ACTUALLY CONFIRMED.  I HEARD IT FROM A REALLY RELIABLE SOURCE MAN.

WEEEEERD!!! YEAH, MY FRIEND ROLLED THIS GIRLIE, WHO USEDTA KICKIT WIF
THIS GUY WHO KNOWS FRANKIE BONES, AND HE SAID THAT BECAUSE HE'S TIGHT
WIF THE WEST COAST, THERE'S NO WAY THAT RICHIE'S GONNA BE THERE!!!
DOOOOOD!! WHASSUP WIF THAT, MAN?!!?! WHATEVER HAPPENED TO PHLUR MAN??!!
JUS BECAUSE I NEED A WHEELBARROW TO HAUL THE BOTTOMS OF MY PANTS WIF ME
DOESN'T MEAN THAT PLASTICQUAVIVA IS BOOKED FOR FARTHER!!!!!! THERE'S NO
WAY _I'M_ GONNA PAY 25$$ JUS FOR SUM MUDDY FIELD WHERE A BUNCHA
MILWAUKEE CRACKHEADS ARE WAITING TO BEAT ME UP ARE WAITING!!! AND I BET
THAT NICKY FINGERS WON'T EVEN SHOW UP ANYWAYS!!! WEEEEEEERDDDD!!!

> MAN I NEED SOME TWEAK.

WHAT!!! WHERE?! DOOD!!_YOU KNOW_I'LL HOOK YOU UP! WHASSUP!!!!!!!

--DDDDDDDAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

ggggggggggggg gggggggggg ggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

This one has nice mentasm teeth grinding 
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45 minus-ed.

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You're right, I am selective about the parties I go to.  Yet I still 
>go at least every other weekend if not more.  Basically, if I get a bad 
vibe 
>about a party, I don't go.  This happened this past weekend with 
Kingdom.  My 
>girlfriend and I drove to within a mile or two of the venue, and turned 
aroud.  
>Neither of us felt comfortable enough to justify spending $20.  

Actually, it was 15 bucks at the door.. :P


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werd to Doormouse and Substance P.

Raygun2001 wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 5/5/98 2:58:38 PM, you wrote:
> 
> >I am just waiting for some one to _really_ combine jungle and hardcore.
> >That will be fucking rough!  And I know its been tried a little but it
> >doesnt have any real support yet and what attempts I have heard are
> >lacking.
> 
> >Since all (all as in most that is) sub-genres of jungle end in step and
> >all subgenres of gabber end in core, this new music will henceforth be
> >known as: step-core. You heard it here first. Well...probably not.
> 
> u should check out the dutch 'BEATS op je FIETS CREW' release on chicago's
> kultbox label (who threw the gabberjunglewar)....more jungle than hardcore,
> but a nice shot at...ummmm....'step-core'
> 
> :s:

-- 
ggggggggggggg gggggggggg ggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

This one has nice mentasm teeth grinding 
hoovers, sounds best on 33 thou, slow, or 
45 minus-ed.

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further sounds really cool, ya know hey!
So dig it bitch, i want to go, but it might be sorta a hassle and shit, 
w/ money, no tent, no ride, get off work and stuff
i'll have plenty o' cash to spend..maybe someone can help me out?
i was gonna go, but my friend doesn't like ruffin' it.
hmm..

makin' no real sense
Jesse

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Hey! I work in the Loop area!!! I don't wear baggy pant..I take the Metra to
wor!! There's a point in life where you gotta be responsible and do what you
gotta do to get by. I have to wear a tie (but not a suit)... and let me tell
you.. you can say alot and express yourself with a tie. I don't think it's
what you wear...it's how you wear it. I've been to a party in a suit and tie
and I know one DJ who ended up going to a party in a Tux (it was after his
prom)...

Phil

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Hey all, 

Thought you might be interested in this information. This event is being
planned by Dave Price who writes for High-R Frequencies, and who has
been a positive force in the Omaha, and now regional scene, for quite a
while. I think this will be worth making the effort to go out a little
early this Saturday night! Dave chose this date because a large
out-of-town crowd from all over the region is expected, so hope you can
make it. 

> HEARTLAND RAVE CONFERENCE
> Inviting regional promoters, DJs, record labels, press, and those who want to help make the scene stronger. It's time to discuss our fast-growing scene and plan out what the future will bring. Issues to be addressed will include: 
> · Bringing better acts to the area and sending our best acts to other regions
> · Preventing conflicts in party dates
> · Organizing a multi-city info line system
> · Improving promotion effectiveness
> · Dealing with a suspicious media
> · Getting DJs to more parties and recording
> · Preserving dedicated rave publications (such as High-R Frequencies)
> 
> A comprehensive rave survey will be presented with the goal of putting the scene into focus and better serving the audience.
> 
> Join us at 6pm on May 9, 1998.
> Location: 
> Club Hangar 18 
> 1118 "O" St. 
> Lincoln, Nebraska
> (402) 435-1818
> 
> Note: The club is opening early to accommodate our group and soda and drinks will be available for those who want them. 
> 
> The meeting will break up around 8pm, after which we'll be heading to the Cygnus Loop party (featuring T-1000, DRC, Sleepy C, Nitro, Madkid, and more). 

In case anyone needs the Cygnus Loop info-line: (402) 435-2316

If this conference goes off, Dave and/or High-R Frequencies will be
organizing similar meetings at other big parties in the Midwest this
summer. Anyone who would like ideas on how to host one of these
conferences in your neck of the woods, can email me and I'll put you in
touch with Dave. 

Hope to see some of you there! 

-- Robin 
Kansas City
High-R Frequencies magazine

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I dunno.. is it really worth it? I'm gonna get slack... but this isn't a rave.
It's a club on the run!! 

Don't mind me, I'm just a bitter raver-type who should realize that Vibonauts
only supports house & drum & bass....

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the first party i ever did was on the same night as graduation, 
so a bunch of my friends who were just graduating from high school
came to the aprty and danced in their cap and gowns, not that is
raver spirit!!!!

or just kinda dumb, either way i thought it was cool!

chris

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I saw the posts about DRC being on the flyers for two parties. Was the
second party in Indy? I called one of the promoters and he said all
systems are go with DRC and she is definitely playing in Lincoln. The
Indy party is actually Friday night and the Indy promoter had to contact
the Lincoln guys to find out where to fly DRC for Saturday. So, unless
there's some other party out there, I think we can forget about that
question. I would like to think that DRC is not the kind of DJ who
double books. 

Also, this party is sounding phatter by the minute. There will be an ice
cream truck (I think they said on the dance floor??). They will giving
away about 300 pounds of candy. 40,000 watts of sound! And, best of all,
there is outdoor camping, showers and places to throw down a sleeping
bag in the building, so out-of-towners, or anyone else are encouraged to
bring sleeping gear and chill after the party. 

Believe it or not, I am not affiliated with the party, hehehe. Just
pumped to go to what looks to be a good one, and sure would like to se a
good turn out to make it all that much phatter!

Any of you net peeps who make it in, come up and say "Hi!" I'll be
running around with my Ninja Turtles backpack topped by a red flashing
lite, as usual. 

See you on the dancefloor! 

-- Robin 
Kansas City
High-R Frequencies magazine

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so it's forkin wendsday night, whateva....

   oh, yeah. went to the Day Rave as well. brought me kid, she had fun
splashin in da mud puddles an whatnot, although i'm sure the highlight
of the day as far as "Day Rave" was concerned for her was tormenting
them chiwauwa dawgs @ the dica/ege crib afterwards! thanks agin ta y'all
fer havin us over. Day Rave was aiigght; weather sucked, but of course
that somehow made it all the more fun to kickit wif people that i rarely
get to see. t'was quite funny to watch the coppers all pile into the
backyard as doormouse started! Inga (my daughter) was over talkin wif
the nervous cops. she ran back over by us and asked "what kind of music
is this?". we told her "HARDCORE!", and she ran back over to the
poo-poos and said, "it's HARDCORE music!!" that moment alone made Day
Rave '98 sumpin i'll always remember. thanks ta DBN, da
MassiveMuthagrabbaz, and dica & Chris Ege (that tape rocks!) as well as
everyone else who made that day for me (da Toastman of course! not to
mention Julia, Dyna, & Katie!).
....onto the Rite of Spring!
     got there a bit late, last 30 min of Woody's set, which forkin
rocked! last time i heard Woody was at the VibeAlive 6th anni party in
Chicago last year, an it'was damn good to hear da ESP again. then that
Electric Indigo steppedup and beat my shit_DOWN_!! superfresh! i gimped
throughout her entire set, which crippled me for the rest of the night
(bad knees get agonizing after a hour er so), but was well worth the
pain! kicked back and chilled to R Notorious J's set and forkin LOVED
it! wished i coulda been physically capable of dancing, but settled for
mentally riding beats instead...and i'm not usually one fer jungle in
general, but that motherfucker threw down some_SHIT_!! got off plenty
well jus listening and watching the crowd werkit...sexcellent! Miles
Maeda forced me to attempt a second wind, but the old knees jus couldn't
take it. hadta settle fer jus trainspotting his shit and marveling at
the ultrasmoothPOWERhouse that that man laid out fer us. fuckin Miles is
the_SHIT_!! and such a nice person as well; some of my friends who came
with (thier first_real_party) went upta him and thanked him after the
pooopers shut the shit down an he was all huggin an PLURY an shit, t'was
truly a beautiful thing. these kids were absolutely stunned that a DJ
could possibly be_that_good, AND that cool. 
      MAAAADD goofy-gumby-silly props out to ALL the DJ's of the
evening, ALL the kids that were there (the vibe forkin ROCKED!), and
most of all to Particular Malfuntion Zech & Network 10 for giving us
such a partay! i love you all! *sniff*, thank you for restoring my faith
in this whole damn raver thing.

nightie-night,
--aRNO
 
ggggggggggggg gggggggggg ggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

This one has nice mentasm teeth grinding 
hoovers, sounds best on 33 thou, slow, or 
45 minus-ed.

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just wanted to mention that heiko laux, who's also booked for furthur,
promises to be very interesting...  he's a very talented producer and from
what i've heard, a solid dj as well.  check out some of his music if you
get a chance...  it ranges from hard banging minimal techno (on the u-turn
label) to funky techno (on kanzleramt and i220) to tranced out soothing
stuff (on yoshitoshi and i220).

johannes heil and anthony rother i'm not as familiar with...though
johannes heil is much more on the banging side of techno than heiko laux.
anyway all of you technoheads check em out!

-dave


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jawsh decker wrote:
> 

> >Does anybody have a REAL flyer with his name on it?
> 
> i got about 1000 of em in my room mates room and scattered round the
> house.

what!  you have 1000 in your house. you better no tbe hording them.  those
things cost $.07 each.  times 1000 thats $70 worth of flyers you have.  you
better be passing them out.

oh, and i'm not even going to bother with the "is rich booked" question.  like
he couldn't drive here and kick my ass if i did something so stupid...

kurt

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>6. Never make a retarded request (i.e. Skinny Puppy, Aqua, MC Hammer >etc.)

now... this might come across as a little un-PLUR.. but fuck it..

how dare you mention Skinny Puppy in the same breath as that other
tripe.. I've got half a mind to track you down and stick a 6-pack of
evil up yer damn ass...

don't dis the founding fathers.

-- 
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>>6. Never make a retarded request (i.e. Skinny Puppy, Aqua, MC Hammer >etc.)
>
>now... this might come across as a little un-PLUR.. but fuck it..
>
>how dare you mention Skinny Puppy in the same breath as that other
>tripe.. I've got half a mind to track you down and stick a 6-pack of
>evil up yer damn ass...
>
>don't dis the founding fathers.

funny, i was thinking the same thing about mc hammer.

motherfukkaz!

::::::::::: jon/dica ::::::::::: jabraun@students.wisc.edu ::::::::::::::::
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:rinsin' out every thurs. nite, 12-3am central time at http://www.msr.org :
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:::: "make some noise if you can even see us!" -- the mc rumble @ zoiks :::

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dj fishead wrote:
> 
> >6. Never make a retarded request (i.e. Skinny Puppy, Aqua, MC Hammer >etc.)
> 
> now... this might come across as a little un-PLUR.. but fuck it..
> 
> how dare you mention Skinny Puppy in the same breath as that other
> tripe.. I've got half a mind to track you down and stick a 6-pack of
> evil up yer damn ass...
> 
> don't dis the founding fathers.

now, i've never really been into the whole Skinny Puppy bit, but if yer
down fer da whole forced evil-six-packs-up-der-arse type thang, i'll be
more than happy to help ya out there Fish ol buddy.

six-packs-of-evil for all those who don't like the OG Misfits as well!

poopdicks,
--aRNO
 
========= =================== =============================

  A3) Chunky acid sounds & squeeky wind noises & mad out of control 
  drumkit bashing sounds like loads of robots jumping around on flowers.

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>> >I am just waiting for some one to _really_ combine jungle and hardcore.
>> >That will be fucking rough!  And I know its been tried a little but it
>> >doesnt have any real support yet and what attempts I have heard are
>> >lacking.
>> >Since all (all as in most that is) sub-genres of jungle end in step and
>> >all subgenres of gabber end in core, this new music will henceforth be
>> >known as: step-core. You heard it here first. Well...probably not.

hmm i missed the orginal post, but hardcore and jungle have been seriously
combined by any number of people.  Panacea, Problem Child, Alec Empire,
Shizuo, etc... there's whole labels devoted to the sound.  Position Chrome
comest to mind.  So does Digital Hardcore.  If you think it's lacking,
that's your opinion.  But regardless of that opinion, the genre is alive
and well, and has been thoroughly explored for a few years now.  Breakcore
is the usual term, some people say "riot beats" or whatever.  Some of it is
more jungly, some is more hardcore-y.  But it all kicks ass.  

Chances are pretty rare that you'll see the stuff at a party in the
midwest, unless it's a drop bass party.  And furthur doesn't have much
hardcore this year (at least not on the main systems).  But yeah, like arno
said, substance p does a little breakcore and doormouse will probably rock
the shit full-on.

chris

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Hey Kiddies, just a real quick question. Are the any Purdue University Kids on
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Hey Kiddies, just a real quick question. Are the any Purdue University Kids on
this list, I have a friend that goes to purdue but I forgot her E mail
address. I remember the first part but I can't remember what goes ofter the @,
anyways, if you can help me out E mail me personally.
Thanx *plur*
DAvid

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>how dare you mention Skinny Puppy in the same breath as that other
>tripe.. I've got half a mind to track you down and stick a 6-pack of
>evil up yer damn ass...

yeah, and since when is MC Hammer a stupid request?  

PLEASE!	HAMMER!	DON'T HURT 'EM!

TOO LEGIT!	TOO LEGIT TO QUIT! (HEEEEY HEY!)

chris

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>six-packs-of-evil for all those who don't like the OG Misfits as well!

and sixpacks of evil for those who DO like the Mentors... 'cause...
well... they don't need 'em... they just like like the feeling of all
that satan sliding deep into their lower intestine... mmm... mmm...
good.

-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
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    http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm

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(chris ege) wrote:
> and doormouse will probably rock
> the shit full-on.

PROBABLY!!!??? what the fuck?!

you're being silly now Chris. ;]

--a

...errrrr. scuse me. upon "Further" consideration i see your point;
although Dan Doormouse produces some of the most brutal breakcore
around, there's no guarantee that that's what he's gonna play on any
givin night. he brokeit down as hard as it can possibly be brokedown @
Zen Lunatics, Kiss The Sky, and of course, the MIAD Student Union, but
sometimes he jus like to play Johnny Cash er Motley Crue. 
i stand corrected.

bye-bye.
  
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On Thu, 7 May 1998, (chris ege) wrote:

> hmm i missed the orginal post, but hardcore and jungle have been seriously
> combined by any number of people. 

for a couple months when I started listening to this shit, I couldn't tell
the difference between jungle and hardcore..  I thought they were both
called hardcore, but then as of late, I've listened again and, well.. some
of those trax are jungle all right ;)

..just wanted to share..
peas
-pete
[i.miss.ragga]


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dj fishead wrote:
> 
> >six-packs-of-evil for all those who don't like the OG Misfits as well!
> 
> and sixpacks of evil for those who DO like the Mentors... 'cause...
> well... they don't need 'em... they just like like the feeling of all
> that satan sliding deep into their lower intestine... mmm... mmm...
> good.

SEXACTLY!! i happen to be enjoying the snooth sounds of the Mentors "Up
The Dose/You Axed For It" CD as we speak. ahhhhhh.... "White Trash
Woman", what a forkin song!! i'll always mourn the day when the
illustrious El Duce drunkenly wandererd in front of a train and was
killed....what day was that again?
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>so it's forkin wendsday night, whateva....
>
>   oh, yeah. went to the Day Rave as well. brought me kid, she had fun
>splashin in da mud puddles an whatnot, although i'm sure the highlight
>of the day as far as "Day Rave" was concerned for her was tormenting
>them chiwauwa dawgs @ the dica/ege crib afterwards! thanks agin ta y'all
>fer havin us over. Day Rave was aiigght; weather sucked, but of course
>that somehow made it all the more fun to kickit wif people that i rarely
>get to see. t'was quite funny to watch the coppers all pile into the
>backyard as doormouse started! Inga (my daughter) was over talkin wif
>the nervous cops. she ran back over by us and asked "what kind of music
>is this?". we told her "HARDCORE!", and she ran back over to the
>poo-poos and said, "it's HARDCORE music!!" that moment alone made Day
>Rave '98 sumpin i'll always remember. 

look fer dj inga autumn's debut "confuse tha' police" in stores next month.

-treat it like a window, not a door.
-bill



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Huh, you guys are weird.

Darrin









*Not that that is wrong, just an observation, and if y'all start to get nit-
picky about who I am to judge "weirdness," then I am NOBODY.  This is just a
flame retardant for my post!

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On 5/6/98, blarfunkular (datamyte) amazingly wrote the following tezzagipshunt:


>I really dig wide leg pants, and baggy tops. I see it getting trendy around
>town among the youth, but who cares. Wear whatever ya like. Everything
>(and I >mean EVERYTHING) seems to go thru that stage. Remember vinyl
>parachute pants,>(like the breakers used to wear) well if you really wanna
>be unique, wear some >of those around.  I really don't see too many people
>around my age(25) or older >dressing the way I do, until I go to a party,
>so its kinda a way of saying to >my peers fuck you-i'd rather not wear a
>shirt and a tie and have a Lexus and >work in the Loop.

I too, dig the wide pant thing.. but I'm not about to pay the insane prices
people are paying today.  Shit $50 is too damn much, and I hear people
around here saying the got a deal on a pair of pants for $100.

Fashion is one thing, Fashion can be created, marketed, advertised, bought,
and sold.  Style is another thing.  (Usually)  YOU create your own style.
At least, you damn well should.

If you want a good book along these lines, get "The Conquest of Cool".  I
forgot the author, but it's fairly recent and talks about marketing schemes
and corprate co-optings of subcultural movements and fashions, etc.  Pretty
damn good.

By the way, the nice thing about me being 26 and dressing the way I do is
my job.  I work at the univeristy I attend and am the head Apple computer
tech... It's great having these straight-peg faculty members kiss my ass
when they need help, when two hours earlier they were giving me the shitty
looks in the halls.



                                   jp
                                   <incessantly lulling >
                                   <randomly stimulating>



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On 5/7/98, blarfunkular (dj fishead) amazingly wrote the following
tezzagipshunt:

(in reference to Skinny Puppy)

>don't dis the founding fathers.

Amen.



                                   jp
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Adam Leon Meadows wrote:

> you bring up an interesting point I think.  These same people (goths,
> skaters, clubbers, etc.) if they really enjoyed the event called rave, are
> probably still around today, like you, but are now simply ravers.  They
> fit the mold of their group at the time (the dress, the look, the act).
> Why is it suprising they now fit the look of the raver?

I think I'll jump out of my customary silence on this list and comment
here...  I happen to *be* one of those different,  gothy sorts of people that
keeps on going to raves, and I haven't conformed to the "raver look" or
whatever.  so ha!  proved you wrong!   :)   and yes, I do feel out of place.
Most of the parties I've been to were around 95 or 96, but I went to one again
just recently....  wow, what a difference!   It was like a uniform....
Besides my two friends and myself, I counted a total of 3 girls in skirts and
two preppy girls in jeans and t-shirts...   All the others were in phat pants
and tank tops...   There was slightly more variation in the guys, but not
much.  I felt like everyone around us was staring at us all night long,
thinking evil exclusive thoughts..  'course, I could just be too paranoid from
spending so much time on the ultra-superficial goth scene.   heheh...
Anyway, other than the staring it seemed like PLUR is pretty much alive and
well, cuz I think that absolutely everyone that bumped into me while dancing
apologized....   such a nice change....  :)   anyway, just thought I'd give
y'all my outsider's opinion, such as it is.

emily


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proceed to rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

on and on and on.

>MAN I HEARD THAT DROP BASS IS A BUNK-ASS PROMOTER FULL OF SHIT DUDE AND
>THEY'RE SO FULL OF SHIT THAT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS SELL YOU A TICKET FOR
>$50 BECAUSE THEY'RE BUNK RIGHT AND BUNK-ASS PROMOTERS JACK UP THEIR TICKET
>PRICES RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE FOR LIKE 20 HOURS TO GET TO A
>BUNK DIRTY MUDDY FIELD AND THERE'LL BE SOME GUY WITH A BOOMBOX PLAYING ROCK
>YOU LIKE A HURRICAINE BY THE SCORPIONS DUDE.  I MEAN IT MAN I HEARD IT FROM
>THIS GUY WHO KNOWS THIS OTHER GUY WHO TALKED TO KURT ONCE (YA KNOW JETHROX
>DUDE) AND HE TOLD THIS GUY THAT FURTHUR IS ALL ABOUT FUCKING PEOPLE OVER
>AND SHIT.  SO WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY DUDE IS THAT NOBODY ON THAT FLYER IS
>ACTUALLY CONFIRMED.  I HEARD IT FROM A REALLY RELIABLE SOURCE MAN.
>
>MAN I NEED SOME TWEAK.
>
>
>
>

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talk to the all mighty hawtonian ruler??????  what if the words are not
worthy?  ye shall be struck down by the mystical synth rack of might.

if you plan to talk to the all mighty, here's a few suggestions.

1. prepare a speach...make sure to mention the fact that you admire his
work (often)

2.bring some raw meat...gods like offerings i hear.

3. don't ask him for a pen.

good luck in your endeavors and i hope you don't get damned.

Chad


OHHH and i forgot! if you are going to walk into the great building shrine
of windsor,  be sure to protect your mortal skin with one of the plus 8
family logos of endurance....definitive, probe, or better yet , the circle
about the 8. you'll be glad you did.


>Umm... if your from Windsor (Ontario I presume?), then why don't you pop on
>down
>to the "Building" on walker St. and ask the man himself. He isn't a god,
>he's just
>flesh and blood like us.. you can talk to him without averting your vision
>or
>the fear of transmutating into a pillar of salt... and by chance he cocks a
>attitude,
>bring his head down to ground level... remind him that egotism is a most
>terminal
>disease.
>
>Just a thought..
>
>
>        o0o[qiB.]o0o
>
>
>
>
>

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     Brap on baby!
     
     
     E


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On 5/7/98, blarfunkular (dj fishead) amazingly wrote the following 
tezzagipshunt:
     
(in reference to Skinny Puppy)
     
>don't dis the founding fathers.
     
Amen.
     
     
     
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     Skinny Puppy?  cEVIN cEY is the man.  Has anyone out there heard the 
     new Download (III) album?  I played it for all of my "raver" friends 
     and they were blown away.  I know, I know, it's not quite rave music, 
     but much of it is very danceable, and it's very trippy.  If you like 
     it, check out Plateau's "Music For Grass Bars"  This is cool shit too.
     Give it a chance, I gaurantee you'll be surprised.  This isn't just 
     mindless noise. ( Not that anything is wrong with just mindless noise)
     
     
     E
     
     
     Please flame me, pretty please.  I can't wait to be flamed, I can feel 
     the heat now, mmmm... 

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> ok, i -think- i read something that steven.j.white wrote about his
> alien
> head tent or some such shit being the beacon for all net.ravers to
> look
> for and conglomorate and such...  is this true?
> 
> if it hasnt yet been agreed upon and established, i think we should
> make an attempt at setting it up firmly and stuff...
> 
> any votes?
> 
You got my vote.  My fiancee (crazy j) and I plan to be there Saturday
with our camping gear, too.  I think that dome tent would make a great
landmark; now all we need is a time (or two) to meet there.  

This will be my first Further, and my first time to see Richie.  

"The suspense is terrible; I hope it will last."
Angel O:)




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ok...since you all are taking this to a personal level with me....as i said
once before....THIS WAS E-MAILED TO ME FROM SOMEONE ELSE!!!.....i didn't
write this, never thought about writing this, and probably wouldn't have
written some of the stuff that is in there....so leave me the fuck out of
it...i said when i posted it that i thoguth it might start a new
conversation, but i never thought you people were gonna be flaming me like i
wrote it....whatever...

joey "j.love"

> ----------
> From: 	dj fishead[SMTP:fishead@mb.sympatico.ca]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, May 06, 1998 11:36 PM
> To: 	Joseph Mazzotta
> Cc: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	Re: DJ Etiquette 101
> 
> >6. Never make a retarded request (i.e. Skinny Puppy, Aqua, MC Hammer
> >etc.)
> 
> now... this might come across as a little un-PLUR.. but fuck it..
> 
> how dare you mention Skinny Puppy in the same breath as that other
> tripe.. I've got half a mind to track you down and stick a 6-pack of
> evil up yer damn ass...
> 
> don't dis the founding fathers.
> 
> -- 
> --------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
> dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
>     http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
>       http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm
> 

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just got this from the mw-raves calendar.  read on.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
                                                                       |
                         fri may 15  .  detroit, mi  .  DEEPHOUSE WAVE |

...Is Back Because Parties Are Worth Going To!

Prototype 909 Has Regrouped And Is Now
UNIT PARK NYC

D. WYNN  Does It His Way , While

INFINITYONE  Dishes Out The Dica

313 438-1668

-----------------------------------------------------------------------+

now who is this Infinity 1, and why the heck is he dishing me out?

:P

--jon/dica
soon to be dished at a theatre near you.



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On Wed, 6 May 1998, . xotis . wrote:

> MW-RAVES NET CITY:
> Steven J's ALIEN tent will be the TOWN HALL for MW-RAVES NET CITY, place 
> your tent somewhere near his (is this ok steven?)

That's what we made the thing for!  ;-)

If you were at Little Furthur then you know what it looks like.  It is 
*large* and white and at night when we have a little light inside it's a 
bit eerie looking.  Perfect.
 
> let me know what you think...

Well, I think that people watch too much television and we need to stop 
paying so much attention to what politicians say and simply laugh at them 
at public gatherings and that giving $60 tickets to people for j-walking 
when just down the street much worse crimes against society are occurring 
is evil and...

Umm, is that what you had in mind when you asked that?



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
http://barkingcat.org		|	- William of Occam (c1285-1349)


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> Just wondering what the other Tori freaks out here have to
> say...
> 
> Luis
> 

Although I've only heard *spark*, I'm sure that, considering Tori's history
of doing techno remixes, it will be sampled in clubs all over the world. 
If you're interested, another good Tori-techno-remix album is the
Professional Widow single...a collaboration between Tori and Armand van
Helden.

*take to the sky*
blanke

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I was thinking of bringing a heap of name tags & some markers so as we
could ID each other, too.  Should we put them by one of the dj booths,
or by the alien mothership tent?  :>B)

Any suggestions? Questions?  Answers?  

pleasant dreams,
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     Good idea, might as well keep it by the alien tent as this is where 
     everyone seems to be meeting anyway.  It would be nice to have the 
     tags cause that way if someones busy during the meet, they can still 
     hook up with others later.
        Damn, all this talk about Further has got me too excited.  Going to 
     see Richie this weekend and all I can think about is May 29th.  Gotta 
     wait, gotta wait, ohhh but I can't!
     
     
     E


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I was thinking of bringing a heap of name tags & some markers so as we 
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Any suggestions? Questions?  Answers?  
     
pleasant dreams,
angel O:)
     
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On Wed, 6 May 1998 23:08:10 quib wrote:
>you can talk to him without averting your vision or the fear of
>transmutating into a pillar of salt... 

FUCK... HAWTIN'S GAY?!?!!?

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well this school year is coming to a close, only one more final
left (cross your fingers for me). but with the school year ending also my
link to mw must come to an end (i wont have computer access anymore). I
will be at this addy until may 8th... so if any of you need my home phone
number to get in touch with me this summer, reply by then.....

i hope to see you all this summer out and about. I know I'll be at 'into
the groove' in Cleveland... 'tilt' in columbus....'aquavelvet' in
detroit... and 'family affair' in canton...... 
everyone party safe and i'll be back on the list this fall.

LoVe AnD oTheR SpArKleY tHoUgHtS,
BeCCa*


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Hi, I'm looking for a good deal on one or more video/lcd projectors.
Can anyone help me out?

Thanks,

Mark Joseph
Brainfarm Visuals
brainfarm@innocent.com

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Release date: 5-07-98

IndepenDance has been postponed one full year to July 2-5, 1999, same
place. To help the public understand what has happened so far, I will
elaborate on points not made public previous to this date (thanks in
part to the failure to revise the mw-raves calendar, although the latest
mixmag has the most notable change in a later ad):

a) parade permits are guaranteed by the First Amendment, but they are
still subject to "public safety" concerns, apparently to the tune of 150
officers at double pay; this made the parade unfeasibly expensive given
the other factors;

b) key sponsors delayed in final decisions on extent of involvement, and
numerous booth rentors failed to pay in the contracted period;

c) the event was being scaled back - we are dedicated 100% to making
sure that this event is bar none the best dance event in U.S. history
AND an unprecedented value for the dollar, and any scaling back acts to
defeat that goal;

d) not enough independent record labels - we had eight confirmed and a
goal of no less than eighty (we don't want majors to market their goods
without the contrast of low-profile, high quality microbusinesses) - and
not enough panelists for the seminars;

e) we were understaffed and overworked (we now have two more
full-timers);

f) we're working on a simulcast parade with some Berliners you may have
heard of;

f) we didn't want to leave our own event to see Jeff Mills in Kalamazoo.

I hope that clears things up. Oh, yeah, you'll see it in our upcoming
ads, but if anyone on the list already purchased a ticket, your refund
will be supplemented with $20 credit towards a dance music event presale
ticket of your choice through New Year's Eve. Please mail us the ticket
along with full contact information as soon as possible:

IndepenDance
5825 Vine St 2nd Floor
Cincinnati, OH    45216

    Pax Domine,

    Paul Sullivan, C.O.O. IndepenDance Productions, Inc.
    phone:   513.242.4343
    fax:        513.242.5054
    e-mail:    calicohq@iac.net




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actually there is a D:RC here in Atlanta.. That is originally from the
netherlands, but he lives here now, and had that name over there.

Peaceout,
Christy

On Wed, 6
May 1998 chemical@cxo.com wrote:

> according to the flyers, hyperreal, and everyone outside of email 've
> talked to, it's DRC from San Francisco playing BOTH parties. so can i
> stop having 500 people tell me there's more than one DRC?  believe it or
> not, i actually do know what i'm talkng about most of the time :P~
> 
> MOON PRISM POWER!
> -Erica
> -=-=Sent via CONNECTions BBS.  Contact Info below=-=-
> telnet://bbs.cxo.com (208.132.79.2)
> http://www.cxo.com/
> Wichita, KS (316) 682-7346
> Voice: (316) 682-5838 
> 


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gee, darn, independance is postponed.

never could have guessed that.

NOW what am i going to do on the fourth of july weekend?  dammit.

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On Thu, 7 May 1998, (chris ege) wrote:

> hmm i missed the orginal post, but hardcore and jungle have been seriously
> combined by any number of people.  Panacea, Problem Child, Alec Empire,
> Shizuo, etc... there's whole labels devoted to the sound.  Position Chrome
> comest to mind.  So does Digital Hardcore.  If you think it's lacking,
> that's your opinion.  But regardless of that opinion, the genre is alive
> and well, and has been thoroughly explored for a few years now.  Breakcore
> is the usual term, some people say "riot beats" or whatever.  Some of it is
> more jungly, some is more hardcore-y.  But it all kicks ass.  

Well I am glad you mentioned the above artists since they are my current
favorites and I have a lot of their music.  Their music fucking pounds but
it is not truly the mix I was speaking of in my original post.  Sure
Panacea and Problem Child's music is dark but I consider it to be
essentially dark jungle, not hardcore.  I dont want this discussion to
turn in to a genre discussion about what _really_ is jungle or hardcore. I
just think that what Panacea and Alec Empire are doing is coming close but
not what I think would work best.  I want the extremely fast kick drum AND
the fucking deep as hell bass line combined with whatever cymbal madness
the artist wants to include.  Alec doesn't have enough bass (mad
percussions and structures though) and I havent heard a fast kick drum in
a Panacea song yet.

It still kicks ass though!!

> 
> Chances are pretty rare that you'll see the stuff at a party in the
> midwest, unless it's a drop bass party.  And furthur doesn't have much
> hardcore this year (at least not on the main systems).  But yeah, like arno
> said, substance p does a little breakcore and doormouse will probably rock
> the shit full-on.
> 
Drop Bass introduced me to both Panacea and Empire indirectly by simply
putting them on their fliers. I have never seen them live but the drop
bass and I seem to have similair tastes in this area so whats good enough
for them...

 The three times I have seen doormouse spin it has not been
breakcore (I like the term stepcore but oh well), it has been hardcore.
Two of his sets did include jungle traks but not the simultaneous
synthesis of the two I am still waiting for.

Adam Meadows


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     Hmmm... I think I hear a Family Affair calling.  This makes my choice 
     for July 4 plans sooo much easier.
     
     E


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gee, darn, independance is postponed.
     
never could have guessed that.
     
NOW what am i going to do on the fourth of july weekend?  dammit.
     
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     Due to having the worst week in my life, I have to get another
server, so if anyone needs to reach me, you can do so at
mo_skees@hotmail.com.  I'll be back on the list eventually.

Peace,
 Aaron


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Paul Sullivan, C.O.O. IndepenDance(tm) Productions:

> IndepenDance has been postponed one full year to July 2-5, 1999, same
> place. To help the public understand what has happened so far, I will
> elaborate on points not made public previous to this date (thanks in
> part to the failure to revise the mw-raves calendar, although the latest
> mixmag has the most notable change in a later ad):

While it is true that you sent me updated information for your
event, it was mailed to me as HTML.  I replied and told you that I
would include your new text with the next issue of the calendar as
soon as you sent it to me as plain text.  You never did.

> [excuses deleted]

As if anyone really expected this to fly, anyway.




- Craig

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On Wed, 6 May 1998, matt positive wrote:

> yea...i passed out about 750 of them in detroit last weekend...and RH's
> name was on all of them....and besides, Drop Bass brought HIM in for Kiss
> the Sky...
> 
> besides, Drop Bass is in league with Satan...

which is *ALL* I need to know. :)

seeya all in wisconsin. 

peace, hugs,
andrew
[working on a very nice deal with satan, thank you very much!]


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HI!

I've been on this list for some time-I don't respond much and lately
haven't been paying much attention to any of it at all...

My question though is if anyone if from NYC or nearby at all..Hopefully
*crossing my fingers* I will be moving out there next month to be a nanny
for a year--all so I can get out that way to live--but I was wondering if
anyone would be in the summer willing to meet up..I know no one out there
and will basically be starting a new sort of "life" for myself--I am from
IN now--so it would be neat to meet up with anyone when I get out
there.... If anyone is willing to respond just drop me a line on here..I
would really love to check out some parties there and see what they are
all about and different or not from here...

Blah blah---I'm babbling--so anyways...just drop me a line if you are
interested in showing someone the roots out there..

hee hee

hugs
*ArasarA*


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forwarded to me from one of my friends...i thought it had some good
points...AND NO, I DIDN"T WRITE IT....just a little message so i don't get
flamed like last time...

joey (j.love)
*303*collective
http://members.tripod.com/~three_oh_three

> I found this on the web today-thought some of you may be interested-maybe
> not-
> 
> 
> -kevin
> (303) collective
> ---------------------------------------
> 
>                         How much do you love raving?
> 
>                              A handbook for responsible raving.
> 
> The Goodvibe Starts from Within.
> 
> Stop complaining about everyone else. What about yourself? Are you
> treating
> others the way you want to
> be treated? That is the only route toward the positivity that will unite
> us
> all. Don't be afraid! Fear is the
> source of all our conflicts and aggressions. The next time someone gives
> you a hard look, understand
> that they are still captive to their fears like you once were. Don't
> resort
> to a negative response because
> that will only create more negativity. Smile! Let the goodwill within you
> flow! Maybe your strength and
> love will give them the courage to open themselves, and they will follow
> the new direction. It is all up to
> you... -tito
> 
> This booklet is not intended to be definitive in its' approach... it is a
> starting point for communication
> about very important issues that directly affect each of us.
> 
> Our hope is that it will encourage you to step away from the music with
> some friends for a moment so
> that you can discuss the importance of individual efforts in responsible
> raving.
> 
> 
>                             Yeah? So what's the problem?
> 
> It is becoming more and more difficult to continue our cultural phenomenon
> known as the "Rave
> Movement." The reason that raving is more difficult is because raves and
> even smaller parties are being
> shut down by the police and other authorities at an alarming rate. Apart
> from DJs, sound and lights, in
> order to throw a successful event you need secure locations,
> permits/permission and insurance. With any
> of these ingredients missing there is a strong chance that the event will
> not get off the ground.
> 
> In order to get these ingredients we must go to people outside of the rave
> community... the public.
> 
> It is the public that formulates opinions about us as ravers. Most times
> it
> is public opinion that keeps a
> landowner from granting us on his property... that keeps an insurance
> company from providing a
> necessary policy... that keeps civil agencies from issuing a permit that
> makes an event legal and
> "unbustable."
> 
> The police are not shutting us down because of a giant conspiracy against
> ravers, raving and living life to
> its' fullest...
> 
> They are shutting us down because of our own...
> 
>      selfishness 
>      carelessness 
>      ignorance 
> 
> If we rid ourselves of these anchors, our public image will greatly
> improve
> and our fragile movement will
> surely flourish.
> 
> 
>                             How? What can you do? A lot!
> 
>                         YOU can make or break our movement!
> 
> It is incredibly easy to combat selfishness, carelessness and ignorance
> and
> still have the time of your
> life... maybe even have a better time than you've ever experienced.
> Imagine
> having the best time you've
> ever had at a rave... now couple that with the feeling of satisfaction and
> accomplishment that you would
> get from helping build up and progress our scene... knowing that you did
> your part.
> 
> 
>                    *SELFISHNESS IS OVERCOME BY RESPECT*
> 
> Each rave event is not yours alone... it is a communal experience made for
> everyone. It is the
> togetherness of everyone that makes raves fun and fulfilling. To
> completely
> kill a group experience it
> only takes a few individuals who don't understand the concept of
> community.
> Here are some examples of
> selfish acts. Each is followed by a way to overcome the selfishness.
> 
> 
> -RESPECTING THE PUBLICS'' OPINION OF RAVERS-
> 
> Visibility of drugs and alcohol-Drugs are taboo to most of the public that
> forms an opinion about us... the
> same public that gives us permission to gather and rave. If you feel that
> you need to have your mood
> elevated, please be discrete. Don't let anyone see the presence of drugs.
> Don't give them a reason to
> accuse us. Nitrous balloons are the biggest problem in this area. Balloons
> can easily be seen from a
> great distance and the hiss of the valves makes it very easy to find the
> tanks. PLEASE DON'T BRING
> BALLOONS OR NITROUS TANKS INTO RAVES! Similarly marijuana can easily be
> smelled. It is
> more difficult to findbut don't make it obvious.
> 
> 
> Being rude or obnoxious to non-ravers-
> 
> Rude and obnoxious behavior does nothing but upset people, sometimes to
> the
> point of having them call
> the police. Please be polite to any "outsider" that you encounter while on
> the way to or away from a rave.
> Be polite to everyone for that matter!
> 
> 
> Noise-
> 
> Noise is a very big problem in most residential areas and is often the
> reason for shut-downs. Please be
> as quiet as possible going to site. Playing car radios loud, horn honking,
> screeching tires and yelling can
> be louder than the sound system enclosed in the venue. Loitering around in
> the parking area is illegal
> and only draws unwanted attention to the party. As you're walking to the
> door remember that you are
> only moments away from being able to make as much noise as you want!!
> 
> 
> Fireworks-
> 
> Although cool to see, fireworks are a reason for instant shut- downs. We
> all know about the danger of
> fires. Enough said. Additionally, the loud explosions can be misconstrued
> as gun-shots which will get the
> police to the location faster than anything.
> 
> 
> Guns and Violence-
> 
> Neither of these belong at a rave. It is our non-violent nature that sets
> us apart from the rock and rap
> scenes. Hopefully, a positive rave experience will change the life of a
> violent natured person.
> 
> 
>                -RESPECTING EVENT FACILITIES AND THE DESERT-
> 
> 
> Parking-
> 
> Park only where it is permitted and, once again, don't hang out in the
> parking lot or on the streets. Don't
> throw trash and flyers on the ground. Keep as low a profile as possible.
> 
> 
> Tagging-
> 
> We lose locations because of tagging more than anything else. Tagging
> simply tells the landlord that we
> don't have any respect for him or his property even though it is the
> landlord that has been so kind to
> share his property with us. Tagging makes insurance rates climb. If you
> see
> someone tagging, explain to
> them that they are keeping you from being able to rave in L.A. Ask them if
> they want to continue to
> rave... then ask them to please stop. Make sure everyone in the area hears
> you so that they also become
> involved in making the tagger stop.
> 
> 
> Trash-
> 
> Many times the property owner is shocked by the trash left in the
> facility,
> especially bathrooms. It only
> takes a few seconds to find a trash can... a very worthwhile investment of
> your time. Trash and especially
> flyers should NEVER be dropped outdoors. The wind can blow them away and
> where they will never be
> found... except perhaps by a park ranger or other authority figure. It is
> very difficult to say "that trash
> was already there when we got here" when the trash is a bunch of rave
> flyers. Gum, candy and cig butts
> can be just as incriminating.
> 
> 
>                           -RESECT FOR OTHER RAVERS-
> 
> 
> Aggression/Violence-
> 
> Part of the attraction of a rave is that it can be a place to escape the
> craziness of the rest of the world.
> Leave your personal problems at the door... don't bring them into the
> celebration. Alcohol often brings
> about aggressive behavior as well.
> 
> The rave scene prides itself on its' peaceful nature so there is
> absolutely
> no tolerance for violence or
> aggression. This even includes any frustration that you may have with
> security, entry lines, etc.
> 
> A peaceful but enthusiastic attitude can quickly spread to others creating
> a pocket of "vibe" that
> everyone will want to be a part of. Acceptance of others, even those
> different from you, catches on
> quickly and creates a bond among all of us. When outsiders look in at our
> scene and see this bond, they
> cannot discredit it... they can only see something positive... perhaps it
> will be something that they will
> discuss with others. This is the easieast way that we can create a more
> positive public image!
> 
> 
> Blatant Selfishness-
> 
> This not only kills "the vibe" but it breaks us apart, making it difficult
> to band together to help our
> movement as a whole. A prime example of this is blatant nitrous usage.
> People sucking on balloons must
> know that they are jeopardizing EVERYONE'S right to rave and yet they
> continue to do it. T heir
> short-term high becomes more important than the future of raving itself.
> This kind of selfishness will
> certainly kill our future. PLEASE DON'T BRING NITROUS TO RAVES... leave it
> at home where it
> won't be a selfish act that discredits all of us.
> 
>         *CARELESSNESS IS OVERCOME THROUGH ACCOUNTABILITY*
> 
> Carelessness, which sometimes is accidental, can easily be overcome
> through
> a system of accountability.
> It only takes two friends to commit to be accountable to each other in
> reminding the other if they are
> being careless. The more people you have in your accountability group
> (also
> called "true friends"), the
> less likely you are to do something careless. Create an acountability
> group
> with the friends you rave with
> the most. Ask someone to be accountable for you RIGHT NOW!!!!
> 
> All you have to do is give a simple reminder.... speak up and say, "I
> don't
> think it's such a good idea for
> you to do that." Here are some places where carelessness becomes a problem
> for each of us in the rave
> movement:
> 
> Forgetting about any of the above selfishness issues- Go ahead... re-read
> them!
> 
> 
> Driving safely-
> 
> There is nothing wrong with being too messed up or too tired to drive
> home... unless of course you try to
> drive anyway. Ask a more sober friend from your accountability group to
> drive or wait until someone is
> able to drive. Coffee and other stimulants won''t do the trick.. Take your
> time so you and your friends
> can rave again another day!
> 
> 
> Dealing with the wrong people-
> 
> Who are the wrong people? Unscrupulous drug dealers are just as
> problematic
> as undercover drug
> enforcement agents. If you think getting something "bunk" is a problem....
> think about how bad it would
> be if you bought something poisonous or lethal! This is becoming a bigger
> and bigger problem as drug
> manufacturers are finding cheaper ways to make money. Most of them aren't
> chemists and don't bother
> testing their new batch... you may become a "test subject" for an unknown
> substance. The media and law
> enforcement agencies are infiltrating our masses to collect information to
> use against us at a later time.
> You can never know who is who... so be careful. Know who you're dealing
> with.
> 
> 
> Loitering outside of the venue-
> 
> This only draws attention to the event and makes police curious enough to
> "investigate." Loitering also
> makes it more difficult to patrol a parking area to look for people
> breaking into cars or doing other
> selfish activities that hurt individual ravers and hurt the scene overall.
> When you're walking through a
> parking lot and you see people standing around ask them to please go
> inside... but explain to them why it
> is important for them to help in this regard.
> 
> 
> Acting safely/Acting responsibly-
> 
> This is a broad area that has too many specific "infractions." Every once
> in a while just ask yourself (and
> the people you''re accountable for) these questions...
> 
> What am I doing?
> 
>      Am I directly/indirectly harming myself or other ravers? 
>      Am I keeping someone else from having a great time? 
>      Am I helping build a positive public image about the rave scene? 
> 
> 
>         *IGNORANCE IS OVERCOME THROUGH COMMUNICATION AND
>                                     EDUCATION*
> 
> Ignorance is the easiest problem to overcome but it also depends on
> individual efforts.. All we need to
> do is educate ourselves. But two things must happen before we can educate
> each other.
> 
> First, we must be willing to be educated... we must recognized that we are
> being stupid and want to
> change.And secondly, we must communicate with each other.
> 
> Since we have no organized arena for ravers to come together and
> communicate we are held in the dark.
> We must find a centralized forum where together we can learn from our past
> mistakes and innovate our
> future. Until we find that forum, it is up to you to discuss these
> problems
> and re-shape our future.
> 
> The existence of rave culture depends entirely on you to simply talk with
> one another... to share all of
> these important issues with others... with people you meet for the first
> time.
> 
> 
> Know what you're talking about-
> 
> Rumors and misinformation are splitting us apart. Know the facts about the
> realreasons for "busts"... or
> the dangers of certain substances. Don't let yourself be used as a tool
> for
> a promoters personal gain... or
> mouthpiece for fabricated drug hysteria.
> 
> 
> Know what you're taking-
> 
> We've already discussed unscrupulous drug dealers. Don't combine lots of
> different drugs! There are
> combinations of substances that can quickly become lethal. In fact, more
> drug related casualties are due
> to lethal combinations of drugs and alcohol than overdosing!
> 
> 
> Let the DJ do the mixing!
> 
> 
> Know your limit-
> 
> Your accountability group can help you with this. Be careful trying to
> "bump" your dosage. Always let
> someone know exactly how much of what your taking BEFORE you take it.
> 
> 
> Know the law-
> 
> Get to know the specific legalities of possessing controlled substances.
> Know the consequences if you're
> busted and ask yourself if it is worth the risk.
> 
> 
> Know how to handle yourself with the police-
> 
> Be cooperative but also know your rights regarding search and seizure laws
> (especially in searching a
> vehicle). Avoid dragging down the rave scene with you. Don't even mention
> raves if you have a run in
> with officers. Be afraid of the seriousness of the consequences but don't
> let yourself be intimidated to
> the point that you incriminate yourself.
> 
> 
> -Know what to do in case of an emergency-
> 
> This is a very important area if we wish to police ourselves at raves.
> 
> 
> In case of an overdose or other drug related medical trauma follow these
> steps before calling an
> ambulance.
> 
>    1.Move the victim to a safe, private and discrete area away from the
> noise and everyone else. 
>    2.Find out EVERYTHING that they took... including dosage, combinations
> and alcohol. 
>    3.Find the victims friends. 
>    4.Don't panic. Some drug related trauma can be relieved simply through
> sleeping it off. 
>    5.Find someone trustworthy and knowledgeable about those substances and
> get their advice. (Like
>      Medi-Rave!) 
>    6.Do NOT administer CPR, induce vomiting, or other first aid
> proceedures
> unless fully capable and
>      qualified. 
>    7.In the desert or in a hot venue, dehydration could be the problem, so
> try drinking some water. 
>    8.If necessary ask security to call for help or ambulance. 
> 
> 
> Know your promoters-
> 
> It's time that ravers determine how much an event is worth. If you think
> you're getting ripped off or if a
> promoter is constantly being busted... STOP SUPPORTING THOSE EVENTS!!! Try
> to remember that
> promoter's other events. Think about what the promoter promised for those
> raves...
> 
> Bust-free? (which might not really possible anymore) Carnival
> rides/visuals/multiple areas? Free
> water/gifts/etc.? Big name Djs/bands?
> 
> So what do you and your accountability group do if you're not getting your
> money's worth? All of you
> should:
> 
>      find and tell the promoter that you're not satisfied 
>      leave a message(s) on the voice mail 
>      don't go to that promoter''s events again 
>      write letters to local music magazines 
>      post to the internet rave related mail groups 
>      throw your own event... large or small!!! 
> 
> Remember that many promoters throw raves for a living and that they must
> make money. We're not
> asking promoters to lose money! We're thankful that they go through all
> the
> hassle to even HAVE an
> event to go to. However, we ARE asking promoters to re-invest into the
> scene.... after all... if the scene
> doesn't survive, the promoters don't survive either.
> 
> Support promoters that are helping our movement flourish... that are
> innovating with creative ideas...that
> deliver what they promise... that re-invest in the scene... that respect
> ravers, DJs, venues, officers,
> public opinion and Mother Earth!
> 
> The best way to combat ignorance is to get and stay informed. All that is
> required of this is
> communication! Call unbiased info lines to get the "scoop" on upcoming
> events. Read the local
> magazines that report on rave culture.
> 
> Perhaps the BEST way to get informed is... if you know someone with an
> internet connection... get
> online! 
> 
> The information and feedback offered by online communication can really
> benefit you as an individual
> raver and will help the rave movement flourish overall. Here's what you
> can
> get from being informed
> through the net:
> 
>      A calendar of upcoming raves, clubs, after-hours and rave-related
> radio/TV shows 
>      Help determine which promoters and events are worthwhile 
>      Find out about events that you may have missed 
>      Read other ravers'' opinions of events, DJs, music, and mix tapes 
>      Find out more about DJs or bands you like 
>      Voice your frustrations about specific rave related issues 
>      Get advanced info on location, line-up, changes, and mergers 
>      Get info on specific drug-related warnings or scams 
>      Learn more about rave/DJ culture 
>      Find out about unpromoted events and micro-raves 
>      MOST IMPORTANTLY... Find new raver friends that share similar tastes
> and views with you. 
> 
> 
> 
> Recreational drug use is an evolving issue of individual freedom. This
> manual does not promote the use
> of illegal drugs or encourage illegal activity. The practical references
> listed here are in no way to be
> construed as favoring the use of controlled substances or illegal activity
> but, is solely intended to
> promote greater awareness of the issues of safety and responsibilty in
> raving.
> 
>     RESPECT + ACCOUNTABILITY + COMMUNICATION & EDUCATION = RAVE ELATION
>                                       FOREVER !
> 

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Tonight, Thursday May 7, 1998 PURE presents Beatseed at the Funky Buddha
Lounge. DJs Danny The Wildchild,Heather, and special guest 3D will rip
up the system along with Urb Magazine's Science MC Question Mark on the
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#include PHILFART wrote:  {

> Hey! I work in the Loop area!!! I don't wear baggy pant..I take the Metra to
> wor!!   }

main( ){
It's not where you work or what you wear. Do you drive a Lexus? no you take
the train(public transportation), me too.  Is money the most important thing in
your
life? prolly not. You DJ? don't you, and i hear your a good one. If you were all

consumed with materialsm like the other %75(of western society), i don't see why

you wouldn't spend all your energies working instead.

return 0;
}

void choice1(int decision[][MAX])
{
I have to wear a tie everyday to class too, (my favorite one is my Sesame Street
tie)
but when i get out of school i change my wardrobe
cause i'm not at school.  hopefully i can get a programming job in a year with
no dress code.
 so i can wear *baggy shirts[][] and *droopy ties[][] if i like.
if you like wearin a tie, or womens clothes or whatever. dO iT!
Do you wear ties, chillin' at home? A party's a special occassion, nothing wrong
with wearing
a suit, if it looks good on you. But there's no dress code there. That's where
choice comes in.
but, even if you like wearing ties to work, its not a choice.
}


void num1(char *agenda char *peaceout)  {
my point was i guess, just be yourself
onelove
that's all i can be
noble

heyu ; 0


> There's a point in life where you gotta be responsible and do what you
> gotta do to get by. I have to wear a tie (but not a suit)... and let me tell
> you.. you can say alot and express yourself with a tie. I don't think it's
> what you wear...it's how you wear it. I've been to a party in a suit and tie
> and I know one DJ who ended up going to a party in a Tux (it was after his
> prom)...
>
> Phil

}


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At 12:36 AM 5/7/98 -0500, dj fishead wrote:

>how dare you mention Skinny Puppy in the same breath as that other
>tripe.. I've got half a mind to track you down and stick a 6-pack of
>evil up yer damn ass...
>
>don't dis the founding fathers.

I got your back with a case of rolling satans in hand...
How many history lessons must be sent to this list?  
Ed?  perhaps it's time for another.

=exit=
-adam-

np. Delta 9 - "Rage"

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junglists, take note!

the three day techno camping outdoor festival 'origin' going on an hour
from minneapolis july 24, 25, and 26 has a couple of additions in the
lineup to take notice of...

- MAMPI SWIFT
- R. NOTORIOUS J.
- and a yet unamed u.k. mc "you all know and love"
  (me thinks its prolly g.q.)

so, uh, thats some pretty dope shit, if youre into drum.n.bass.  and
theres still some more headliners to be announced.  should prove to be
pretty fresh, hope yalls can make it out for this one...

jawsh!

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And six packs of evil for those who don't enjoy sodomizing small household
pets!!!! such as kitty kats, hampsters and all other sorts of analy
delightfull furry friends! HURAH for the ducktaped head o hampster
colection HURAH!

od, sodomizer of chikens...

At 01:13 AM 5/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>six-packs-of-evil for all those who don't like the OG Misfits as well!
>
>and sixpacks of evil for those who DO like the Mentors... 'cause...
>well... they don't need 'em... they just like like the feeling of all
>that satan sliding deep into their lower intestine... mmm... mmm...
>good.
>
>-- 
>--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
>dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
>    http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
>      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm
>


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Yuck....
I can't believe these over played WACK hype DJs got a tour going.
A couple of them (Traxx & Halo) may have a little skill, but most of the
tamsters I've ever talked to are egotistical assholes all stuck on themselves.
they get booked over and over again by the same couple chicago promoters cause
of how they suck cock.  And the're skills are overall no better then most
bedroom DJs I've heard.

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Because the amount of mail coming into the list has been so high the past
week, I'm gonna unsub while Marc and I are in Florida!!! woo woo woo woo

Be back Sunday May 17th! =)

Have a good week, and good luck to everyone else who still has finals!


-Becky =)

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to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

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> How many history lessons must be sent to this list?  

I dunno... I don't expect everyone to listen to their work and feel the
same awe as I did when I first heard it (and oddly enough still does.
The more music I listen to the BETTER a lot of Puppy's material
sounds)...
If people sit down and listen to the rhythms they use it's pretty damn
impressive... same with old Portion Control records... damn.. there's so
much good, old music that a lot of people disregard simply because it's
not 'techno' or 'ravey'... 
I think a lot of kids would be surprised by how many techno producers
were heavily influenced by Skinny Puppy... I mean... in Canada it seems
like just about everybody who's into anything electronic cut their teeth
listening to Nettwerk's roster of bands (Severed Heads, Front242, Chris
And Cosey, SPK)...


-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
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Heya mw-crew... been doing the real-audio/video thang, check out a bitta
westcoast techno & hardcore flava...

jeff :)

----------------------------------------------
now...with real video...

http://www.technostate.com (times are PST)

tonight!!!
8-9 : audiotactix (swadeshi, warrior)
9-10: quantum23 (Static)
10-11: Re-Ach (Static, A.R.M.)
11-12: Djinn (S.P.A.Z)

upcoming live pa's (mondays 6pm-10pm NOTE TIME CHANGE)
OPTIC
MADSCIENTIST
Nommo Ogo
FREAKY CHAKRA
RE:

upcoming dj's
aneurysm, gabbergirl, L.E.S, DJINN, safetyscissors, sutekh, edit,
skyy-lite, John Carrol, Gabber Dave, james d, Ethan, happy kid Marty, 


watch our studio page for current schedule...live party broadcasts on
weekends...special events...one offs...

dont forget to sign our guestbook!

Thanks

el warrior crew magnifico


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>werd to Doormouse and Substance P.

and the one like the fishead, too!

jawsh!

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i should sue for false advertising-
if i cared

Paul Sullivan wrote:

> Release date: 5-07-98
>
> IndepenDance has been postponed one full year to July 2-5, 1999, same
> place. To help the public understand what has happened so far, I will
> elaborate on points not made public previous to this date (thanks in
> part to the failure to revise the mw-raves calendar, although the latest
> mixmag has the most notable change in a later ad):
>
> a) parade permits are guaranteed by the First Amendment, but they are
> still subject to "public safety" concerns, apparently to the tune of 150
> officers at double pay; this made the parade unfeasibly expensive given
> the other factors;
>
> b) key sponsors delayed in final decisions on extent of involvement, and
> numerous booth rentors failed to pay in the contracted period;
>
> c) the event was being scaled back - we are dedicated 100% to making
> sure that this event is bar none the best dance event in U.S. history
> AND an unprecedented value for the dollar, and any scaling back acts to
> defeat that goal;
>
> d) not enough independent record labels - we had eight confirmed and a
> goal of no less than eighty (we don't want majors to market their goods
> without the contrast of low-profile, high quality microbusinesses) - and
> not enough panelists for the seminars;
>
> e) we were understaffed and overworked (we now have two more
> full-timers);
>
> f) we're working on a simulcast parade with some Berliners you may have
> heard of;
>
> f) we didn't want to leave our own event to see Jeff Mills in Kalamazoo.
>
> I hope that clears things up. Oh, yeah, you'll see it in our upcoming
> ads, but if anyone on the list already purchased a ticket, your refund
> will be supplemented with $20 credit towards a dance music event presale
> ticket of your choice through New Year's Eve. Please mail us the ticket
> along with full contact information as soon as possible:
> *******WE WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THE WHOLE WORLD HAS BEEN ASSIMILATED*******
> IndepenDance
> 5825 Vine St 2nd Floor
> Cincinnati, OH    45216
>
>     Pax Domine,
>
>     Paul Sullivan, C.O.O. IndepenDance Productions, Inc.
>     phone:   513.242.4343
>     fax:        513.242.5054
>     e-mail:    calicohq@iac.net

  what a bunch of HORSESHIT!>>>>>

I hope that clears things up. Oh, yeah, you'll see it in our upcoming
ads, but if anyone on the list already purchased a ticket, your refund
will be supplemented with $20 credit towards a dance music event presale
ticket of your choice through New Year's Eve. Please mail us the ticket
along with full contact information as soon as possible.

is this what raves are turning into?

onelove.
noble


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From: ZXTZXTZXT <ZXTZXTZXT@aol.com>
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Hey,
why is it that Doormouse isn't liked by Industrial Strength?
anybody know why they had a fallout?

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Just a reminder that PURE kicks off its weekly Friday night club
"Deluxe" tomorrow May 8th. Derrick Carter, Juan Atkins and Tim Baker
will rock the house (and techno). 

          Deluxe
          3730 N. Clark Chicago (Metro)
          312.409.PURE Info
          773.549.0203 Directions
          18+ 21 to consume (ID's a must for all)
          11:PM - 4:AM
          $12 / $10 with PURE Plus card


   And don't forget, the legendary Jungle Brothers at Deluxe next week!

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>I was thinking of bringing a heap of name tags & some markers so as we
>could ID each other, too.  Should we put them by one of the dj booths,
>or by the alien mothership tent?  :>B)
>
>Any suggestions? Questions?  Answers?

hook it up!!
ill donate my artistic talents and some of my time to making nametags all
personalized style and such, if  theres an interest?

jawsh!

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>what!  you have 1000 in your house. you better no tbe hording them.  
>those
>things cost $.07 each.  times 1000 thats $70 worth of flyers you have. 
> you
>better be passing them out.

well, actually, theyre all gone now.  at various shops and rekkid stores.
 theres like -mebbe- 50 left in the house, so...  yeah, theyre being
handed out..  :)

>oh, and i'm not even going to bother with the "is rich booked" 
>question.  like
>he couldn't drive here and kick my ass if i did something so stupid...

true dat!

jawsh!

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On Thu, 7 May 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> > ok, i -think- i read something that steven.j.white wrote about his
> > alien
> > head tent or some such shit being the beacon for all net.ravers to
> > look
> > for and conglomorate and such...  is this true?
> > 
> > if it hasnt yet been agreed upon and established, i think we should
> > make an attempt at setting it up firmly and stuff...
> > 
> > any votes?
> > 
> You got my vote.  My fiancee (crazy j) and I plan to be there Saturday
> with our camping gear, too.  I think that dome tent would make a great
> landmark; now all we need is a time (or two) to meet there.  

For lack of anything yet given forth as ideas, this sounds grand to me.  
Melissa and I will be arriving at some point mid-afternoon on Friday.  
The tent goes up lickety-split so by the time most everyone arrives it'll 
be up and gleaming like the beacon that it is.  But if you want it to 
glow all night you'll have to supply the electricity/batteries.



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
http://barkingcat.org		|	- William of Occam (c1285-1349)


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     Where in the world do you goto school that requires its students to 
     wear a tie?  I have never heard of such a thing.
     
     Think of it this way.  Ties cut flow to the brain... programmers need 
     to think...  therefore wearing ties is bad.


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Date:    05/07/1998 3:52 PM

     
void choice1(int decision[][MAX])
(
I have to wear a tie everyday to class too, (my favorite one is my Sesame Street
tie)
but when i get out of school i change my wardrobe
cause i'm not at school.  hopefully i can get a programming job in a year with 
no dress code.
 so i can wear *baggy shirts[][] and *droopy ties[][] if i like.
if you like wearin a tie, or womens clothes or whatever. dO iT!
Do you wear ties, chillin' at home? A party's a special occassion, nothing wrong
with wearing
a suit, if it looks good on you. But there's no dress code there. That's where 
choice comes in.
but, even if you like wearing ties to work, its not a choice. 
)
     

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In a message dated 5/7/98 5:33:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ZXTZXTZXT@aol.com
writes:

> Yuck....
>  I can't believe these over played WACK hype DJs got a tour going.
>  A couple of them (Traxx & Halo) may have a little skill, but most of the
>  tamsters I've ever talked to are egotistical assholes all stuck on 
> themselves.
>  they get booked over and over again by the same couple chicago promoters 
> cause
>  of how they suck cock.  And the're skills are overall no better then most
>  bedroom DJs I've heard.

i dunno... Trevor is good, prolly one of teh nicest people i have met... halo
is okay, nice guy as well.. not saying anything else about the rest tho...
nothing at all

paul

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actually yes, I'll agree with you there.
Halo and trevor are cool.




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god damn do people talk shit on this list.  
If you're going to do it, at least do it right!

On Thu, 7 May 1998, ZXTZXTZXT wrote:

> Yuck....
> I can't believe these over played WACK hype DJs got a tour going.
> A couple of them (Traxx & Halo) may have a little skill, but most of the 
> tamsters I've ever talked to are egotistical assholes all stuck on themselves.

blah, blah, blah, broad generalizations... stereotypes. If you haven't
talked to all of them, then you shouldn't imply that they are all
assholes.  If you feel that you simply must generalize or stereoptype, be
completly ridiculous about it and make sure that it has absolutely
nothing to do with your arguement. For example: Junglists have bad taste
in music cuz you know those junglists...they all smell like rotten potatoes. 

> they get booked over and over again by the same couple chicago promoters cause
> of how they suck cock.  

this is a rumor unless you have first hand experience or some other
evidence... So if you personally think that Halo or Justin Long gave you
good head, then by all means your point might be valid. But it still
doesn't prove that they ever gave oral pleasure to any chicago
promoters.. i want to see pictures. 

which brings me to point 2 - When making accusations, have evidence to
support them... or at least be creative in your accusation. Example: 
Trevor Lamont owns an anal rat breeding farm where he specially trains
rats to do tricks up chi-town promoters bums and in return the promoters
feel obliged to always book Trevor and the rest of the Teamsters. 


(all examples given were strictly fictional and resemblence to truth is
purely coincidental.) 

-Peggy

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Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:

>      Hmmm... I think I hear a Family Affair calling.  This makes my choice
>      for July 4 plans sooo much easier.
>
>      E
>

i think that everyone should go to sector 616 -AND- FA.  that way, nobody has to
miss either and everyone is happy!

peace
chris


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In a message dated 5/7/98 7:03:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mhroma@rhf.bradley.edu writes:

> which brings me to point 2 - When making accusations, have evidence to
>  support them... or at least be creative in your accusation. Example: 
>  Trevor Lamont owns an anal rat breeding farm where he specially trains
>  rats to do tricks up chi-town promoters bums and in return the promoters
>  feel obliged to always book Trevor and the rest of the Teamsters. 

actually, that is not a lie... everyone in kentucky has the rat farms, we
export most of them to club owners in new york... it is something on the
downlow, so if you just keep it quiet... big money market here in kentucky

paul

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Anyone ever heard Sammie from Chattanooga,TN, he's on the teamster lineup
and he's probably one of the best unknown DJ's I've heard.

onelove.
noble


> i dunno... Trevor is good, prolly one of teh nicest people i have met... halo
> is okay, nice guy as well.. not saying anything else about the rest tho...
> nothing at all
>
> paul




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i'm worried.

for people who have gone to Even Furthur in the past, how do you decide
whether to buy a tent or not to sleep in? It's not like a minor
investment, y'know...

if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?

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On Thu, 7 May 1998, Amene wrote:

> i'm worried.
> 
> for people who have gone to Even Furthur in the past, how do you decide
> whether to buy a tent or not to sleep in? It's not like a minor
> investment, y'know...
> 
> if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?

okay. this is *not* for the weak of heart, but you can save yourself from
buying a new tent by using plastic tarps, twine and a mosquito net. and if
you can find me or someone else who knows how to do this, it is not too
horribly difficult. [if you like, i'll even send you basic directions on
how to do it]

if you're buying a tent, well, just make sure it has something rainproof
to put on top. and think cheap. 

peace, hugs, mosquitos are FAR worse than rain.
andrew



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On Thu, 7 May 1998, ZXTZXTZXT wrote:

> Yuck....
> I can't believe these over played WACK hype DJs got a tour going.
> A couple of them (Traxx & Halo) may have a little skill, but most of the
> tamsters I've ever talked to are egotistical assholes all stuck on themselves.
> they get booked over and over again by the same couple chicago promoters cause
> of how they suck cock.  And the're skills are overall no better then most
> bedroom DJs I've heard.
> 

who the fuck are you to be saying shit like this? this is ridiculous.

christ.



andrew


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Amene wrote:

> i'm worried.
>
> for people who have gone to Even Furthur in the past, how do you decide
> whether to buy a tent or not to sleep in? It's not like a minor
> investment, y'know...

i havent' been to furthur, but i do know that if you aren't comfortable
sleeping in a car, you should get a tent.  try it some night.

>

> if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?

i think i'm qualified to give some advice on this one ( worked at Eastern
Mountain Sports for a year)

when looking for a car-camping tent (read:  aren't backpacking in), look
for something that is roomy for the amount of people you are taking ( lie
people down side to side to see if you have enough room to move around),
has bathtub floors (the floors don't have seams at the bottom, they kind of
come up around 7 or 10 inches on the sides before connecting with the side
material) for weatherproofness, has taped floor seams (you can tell by a
clear glossy tape [duh] on the seam(s) of the floor), taped seams on the
fly (the tarp-like raincover), and plenty of mesh ventilation to keep
things cool.

you can go to a good outdoor retailer like EMS or REI and find a good,
private-label tent that fits 3 people comfortably for around $200-250.
honestly, anything less won't be worth it.  you'll pay a little less money
for a lot less tent, and chances are you'll have a shitty time dealing with
stuff like wet floors and gear.  plus it probably won't last too awful
long.  any good tent will have a lifetime (your lifetime, not the tent)
guarantee, so you'll never have to buy another tent again!

hope this helps,
chris


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i would just like to say i think life is a learining experience
noone is perfect
if you think that people dont have a clue then you should try to help
them out
not by yelling or screaming or criticizing -  just by being nice and by
showing people what you want them to know because there are a lot of kids
around and they are the future of the scene  - so if you want stuff to be
good and happy and wonderful just remember that it starts with you
not with the person youre criticizing for wearing oversized pants
also i think that people should treat people like how they want
themselves to be treated
remember that if this scene is going to survive and be a part of the
future like how we want it to be then we must continue to let it grow and
flourish with the love that it needs
it takes all of us together to make this scene what we want it to be
each of us is important and does make a difference

i also think the worst thing is to alienate people - dont shut anyone out

i thought one of the first reasons i ever went to raves was to meet
people and make friends
without that what else do we have
thanks for listening
dustin

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Hey, kids! 

Just wanted to let you know DRC will for sure be playing in Lincoln,
Nebraska this weekend. She personally emailed me today after seeing the
questions ppl were having. She is playing in Indy Friday night and
Lincoln SAturday. Hell, yeah! That *lady* is the bomb! 

See ya' on the dancefloor!

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umm... just out of curiosity, what space was it?

[mistress jeanette <netmare053@hotmail.com>]
> 
> > The party was called Kingdom, thrown my Njoy.. (that's all I know of, 
> so 
> > if anyone else was part, I apologize) I love that space! every party 
> > I've been to there was great. The speakers set up outside blew my 
> mind, 
> > especially when I was already dancin out there under the tree.. best 
> > party I've been to in awhile
> >  >>
> >
> >Damn bro, it was ok but not great.  Were we at the same party?
> >
> >Brett
> >
> 
> Well, the space has memories basically.. and trust me, that party was by 
> FAR the best I've been to in months. I give a lot of credit for the 
> speakers outside, altho didn't last too long. Lately I really don't 
> build up my expectations, because usually it just gets ya down, I had 
> fun. :) Lots of cool kids 
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is there a place (mpls area would be nice) that we can rent a
decent tent for the weekend?? i am not at all outdoorsy, so 
buying one seems silly.
better yet, i was thinking about renting uhaul type of thing
and put like a couch or futon in the back and have a little
headquarter type of thing going on...maybe even a small soundsystem.
that should run me about $200-300, so i need someone to share the
burden...craig/xotis?? chrise?? anyone? :>
then i can hang some net thing in the backdoor so the bugs wouldnt
get in and leave the backdoor open and we can sleep there! no worry
about getting wet there...which sounds appealing to the city-type
pple like me :> hey..even better yet, is there a place we can rent
an RV?? that would be the best!! talk about raving in style..

john
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-----Original Message-----
From: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org
[mailto:mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org]On Behalf Of Dustin A Sledgianowski
Subject: our scene our love our family


...noone is perfect
if you think that people dont have a clue then you should try to help
them out
not by yelling or screaming or criticizing -  just by being nice and by
showing people what you want them to know because there are a lot of kids
around... 


This is the message that we are SUPPOSED to be sharing, not flaming
people for stupid shit!
Here is probably the most important line from what Dustin said:


...they are the future of the scene  -


Remember who we will pass the torch to when we finally do stop
partying on a regular basis.  Do you want the rave scene to die?
As long as we keep on with bickering over petty differences, do 
you really think that the kids will respond in a different fashion.
Teach by example! If you want PLUR to stay in the scene, we can't just
kick it to the side of the road and expect the future of our scene to
flourish.  We must continue to practice PLUR in the hopes that those
who come after us will see that the message we are trying to spread
is one of love and kindness, not petty arguing over subjects that
make no difference to the future of our scene.

 
 so if you want stuff to be
good and happy and wonderful just remember that it starts with you
not with the person youre criticizing for wearing oversized pants
also i think that people should treat people like how they want
themselves to be treated


Another good point!


i also think the worst thing is to alienate people - dont shut anyone out

i thought one of the first reasons i ever went to raves was to meet
people and make friends
without that what else do we have
thanks for listening
dustin


I know that there are going to be a few "rotten apples" who will send
the flames flying my way for this post, but I can handle it.  Just remember
the old saying from way back in elementary school:
"sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."
Just think about it.

Peace!

Mike

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Don't make the investment if you're not a camper and can't afford it. 
There will be lots of people there with tents.  I, for one, am
bringing a 8 man tent for only 4 or 5 people.  You're welcome to crash
with us :-)!  And there will be tons of vibe like that.  I'm sure you
can find someone to crash with.  You're only gonna want to sleep for
like 4 hours anyway.  What I would recommend to bring that I haven't
seen mentioned, is lawn chairs and/or blanket (w/tarp) to sit on.  

Tammy



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> i'm worried.
> 
> for people who have gone to Even Furthur in the past, how do you
decide
> whether to buy a tent or not to sleep in? It's not like a minor
> investment, y'know...
> 
> if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?
> 
> Amene
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I rented a tent from my university's athletics (or something) department
for like $30 for Furthur '96... leaked like a sonofabitch, tho. Your
mileage may vary. It's an option to look into, at least.

jeff


On Thu, 7 May 1998, Art Vandelay wrote:

> 
> is there a place (mpls area would be nice) that we can rent a
> decent tent for the weekend?? i am not at all outdoorsy, so 
> buying one seems silly.
> better yet, i was thinking about renting uhaul type of thing
> and put like a couch or futon in the back and have a little
> headquarter type of thing going on...maybe even a small soundsystem.
> that should run me about $200-300, so i need someone to share the
> burden...craig/xotis?? chrise?? anyone? :>
> then i can hang some net thing in the backdoor so the bugs wouldnt
> get in and leave the backdoor open and we can sleep there! no worry
> about getting wet there...which sounds appealing to the city-type
> pple like me :> hey..even better yet, is there a place we can rent
> an RV?? that would be the best!! talk about raving in style..
> 
> john
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Well, I think that it is very obvious that you really do not have a clue 
about technical skills, when in actuallity these guys ( halo, samme,
traxx, justin long and trevor lamont) have incredible talent. As far as
personalties I only personally know Halo and Samme, in which they have
been some of the best dj's to work with, besides that in this industry
most(and i stress most, not all) technically talented dj's have huge
egos. And I am a female promoter and have never once heard of any sort
of "sucking cock" to get bookings from these guys. Educate yourself
before you bash others. 

Peace,
Christy

On Thu, 7 May 1998, ZXTZXTZXT wrote:

> Yuck....
> I can't believe these over played WACK hype DJs got a tour going.
> A couple of them (Traxx & Halo) may have a little skill, but most of the
> tamsters I've ever talked to are egotistical assholes all stuck on themselves.
> they get booked over and over again by the same couple chicago promoters cause
> of how they suck cock.  And the're skills are overall no better then most
> bedroom DJs I've heard.
> 


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In a message dated 98-05-07 20:08:46 EDT, you write:

<< you can go to a good outdoor retailer like EMS or REI and find a good,
 >private-label tent that fits 3 people comfortably for around $200-250.
 >honestly, anything less won't be worth it.  you'll pay a little less money
 >or a lot less tent, and chances are you'll have a shitty time dealing with
 >stuff like wet floors and gear.  plus it probably won't last too awful
 >long.  any good tent will have a lifetime (your lifetime, not the tent)
> guarantee, so you'll never have to buy another tent again! >>

Oh contrare....I recognize that you are an expert in the field of 'tentistry',
but I 
bought a kickass 8 person two-room tent at Wal-Mart for 120 bones to take with
me two years ago to Destiny in Toronto, and I have used it for every outdoor
party since, in all kinds of weather completely dry and problem free....  

Ya just keed to give the cheap ones a little more lovin~

Peace`
Darian
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hey, i am about to go visit chicago for the first time tomorrow (fri) and am
wondering if anyone can recommend a good record store that carries a nice
size collection of techno/house/progressive house/trance/ambient.  a store
that also has some cool threads and wax possibly.  you can email me
personally if ya like.  thanks, aaron


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alright, you all know the deal:

thursday nights midnight to 3am central time.
WSUM -madison student radio
http://www.msr.org

this is our last show of the semester.  
CHRISE VS DICA tagteam set.
and possibly WANLESS playing house.

chiggidy check it y'all, it'll be your last chance until, umm... when jon
gets his summer show. but that'll be at a different timeslot, most likely.

chris

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Cock sucking???
Anal Rat breeding???

WOW!!!  GIVE ME THE BOOKING NUMBER!!! =)
hahahaha.

All we need to make it complete is monkey dung juggling.

Seriously, I've met Justin and Traxx through a friend of mine here in st
louis (to avoid any more name dropping than absolutely necessary).  They
were both very nice guys.  Justin was a bit more down to earth, but Traxx
was one of the funniest mother-fuckers in the world.  I can't say that I
know them personally, but they seemed like very friendly people when I met
them.  As for skills, Justin mixed on a radio show I did with Devilgirl, and
tore it up.  That guy has got skills.  I learned quite a bit from watching
him spin.  I've also seen Traxx tear the roof off of a few parties.  It
takes more than a good blowjob to get yourself a residency in Germany.

I do think that they are a little overbooked in the rave scene, and they've
probably had to deal with tons of fucked up kids and shitty promoters.  If
they give someone attitude at a party, then that someone probably was out of
line...And face it, how would you like a bunch of fucked up kids wasting
your time when all you want to do is get paid so you can go home and
sleep...Then to find out that the promoter skipped out on the party???
You'd be mad as fuck...Staying cool and talking to strangers who liked your
set has got to be tough.

Deejays like many of the teamsters make a living off of mixing
records...It's business.  And I'm sure it's a tough business considering how
many clueless people are throwing parties.  There's something to be said for
spinning for the fun of it (me), but then there is also a lot of respect
that someone deserves who can make a living off of it...

>From what I've seen, Trevor is a damn good dj too.  He's educated me on this
list a few times when I was house-bashing.  He didn't get all bent out of
shape about it, like a lot of people did.

---Cylert


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from my personal experience....years of different
camping raves.....

it's a good thing to secure a position in someone's tent 
before leaving (if you can). usually you won't sleep that
much, but it's nice to know that during those few earlier morning hours and
those
earlier evening hours (before the party picks up again) you have a place
too rest.

i didn't have a tent at little further, and the car wasn't that bad.

this year i am buying a tent. from personal experience.....the bigger
the better!  get one with a living room, front porch thing and a sleeping
room. ($200-$300).
ok...that not reallly necesary, but that's what i'm getting. :)

ok..xoxooxo
good luck!!!!
animal

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> From: Amene <wood@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
> To: Shitloads o' Mail <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Subject: Tent-Buying Advice, Anyone?
> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 6:44 PM
> 
> i'm worried.
> 
> for people who have gone to Even Furthur in the past, how do you decide
> whether to buy a tent or not to sleep in? It's not like a minor
> investment, y'know...
> 
> if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?
> 
> Amene
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In a message dated 5/7/98 5:15:41 PM, you wrote:

>> Yuck....
>>  I can't believe these over played WACK hype DJs got a tour going.
>>  A couple of them (Traxx & Halo) may have a little skill, but most of the
>>  tamsters I've ever talked to are egotistical assholes all stuck on 
>> themselves.
>>  they get booked over and over again by the same couple chicago promoters 
>> cause
>>  of how they suck cock.  And the're skills are overall no better then most
>>  bedroom DJs I've heard.

Like someone esle said, Trevor is nice ass hell, and so is Brian (Halo).
Justin can be if he wants to.  Mel (traxx) is Mel.  And I don't know the other
guy.  And as for skills,  why are they geting booked instead of your "bedroom
DJs?"

Darrin

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you can rent a really nice tent from RPI also, for about $30

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In a message dated 5/7/98 8:30:08 PM, you wrote:

>:> hey..even better yet, is there a place we can rent
>an RV?? that would be the best!! talk about raving in style..

I had the privelege of hanging out with Kikoman at Further 96 in the RV he
owned (so he told me) and even got to spin.  they had a lil system running off
the generator.  on the way there they had stole a sign from a construction
site that read "BUMP" and displayed it right outside, it was quite
appropriate.  If you could rent an RV it would be the shit!

Darrin

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Is there anything going on in Madison saturday night?  I really need to 
get out of this fucking place...
I'd love to hear of what's going on up there.

Thanks in advance, you mad-peeps
SM:)EEN

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"If this don't make your booty move, your booty must be dead."

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On Fri, 8 May 1998, Dfunkster wrote:
> appropriate.  If you could rent an RV it would be the shit!

Hey thats cheating!!

roughing tent style,
Adam Meadows


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In a message dated 5/7/1998 6:15:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Husqvarnic@aol.com writes:

> > Yuck....
>  >  I can't believe these over played WACK hype DJs got a tour going.
>  >  A couple of them (Traxx & Halo) may have a little skill, but most of the
>  >  tamsters I've ever talked to are egotistical assholes all stuck on 
>  > themselves.
>  >  they get booked over and over again by the same couple chicago promoters
>  > cause
>  >  of how they suck cock.  And the're skills are overall no better then
most
>  >  bedroom DJs I've heard.
>  
>  i dunno... Trevor is good, prolly one of teh nicest people i have met... 
> halo
>  is okay, nice guy as well.. not saying anything else about the rest tho...
>  nothing at all
>  
Damn straight I must agree Trevor is great, and so were all the other guys to
me whenever I have seen them, or met them throughou the years.  SO i got no
beef with any, and Trevor is a hometown favorite of Lexington, and one of my
favs too!

Peace
Jared

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>What I am about to say does not apply to all promoters, since it is a
>fact that many promoters *do* charge too much for shit, but in other
>cases, there *do exist* promoters who put on a good event, and to do
>that it costs money.
>
>In our case (+8 and PlastikProdukt), we have made money only ONCE (that
>is ONE time) on a party, which was Sickness/Recovery, which was still
>under $20.  All the other parties for the past 6+ years we LOST money
>EVERY time.  Because +8 is a record label, it could afford to do this as
>promotional expenses, so it didn't hurt too bad.  BUT not every promoter
>is a record label with the ability to lose money for promotional
>expenses.
>
>So lets talk about money.  If someone puts up $30,000+ to throw a party,
>FOR YOU, you are saying that in order for *YOU* to pay $5 less, the
>person who is *RISKING* $30,000 (6000 times more than $5) should *ONLY
>EXPECT* to break even, this is what you're saying right?  I'm sure
>anyone on this list would probably agree (however grudgingly) that
>perhaps the someone who *risks* their money should get *something* for
>it, so my question is "how much"?  What is a reasonable return on a
>major investment like that?  5% is $1500, so after two months of
>preparation and $30,000 investment you gain $1500, the sound and light
>companies make more than that.  How about %10, we have just DOUBLED our
>return WOO-HOO $3000!!!!!  Filthy rich now, stinking rich, this is the
>BIG TIME!!!!!!  Three thousand WHOLE DOLLARS!!!!!!  C'mon, what is an
>acceptable rate of return on a VERY risky venture?
>
>I apologise if you don't want to think of "raves" in terms of capital,
>investment, risk, rates, returns, etc., but this is a REALITY, and if
>you don't like it then move somewhere where the government will throw
>all your "raves" for you as part of their social services programs.
>
>I think the professionals who read this, really wish that some of you
>idealists would take a dose of reality, instead of acid, and realise
>that a major event costs LOTS of money, and it is EXTREMELY unfair of
>you to expect them to break even AT BEST.
>
>Tosh - Online Content @ Plus 8 Records



This man just hit the nail right on the head!!!!!! ,I hope some of the
people out there really read this.

Doug Holmes
Pitch Control Productions
614-470-0706



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    Kurt, I gotta disagree with you here. Richie, although a god, is
incarnated in the form of a skinny geeky guy, whereas you are taller and
have cut some deals with Satan which would give you combat advantages.
So you could put him on your flyer without fear of him beating you up.
So don't try to fool us. Come up with a better defense or no one will
show up..

j2


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forwarded from the breaks list.

>From: DUBSHACK <DUBSHACK@aol.com>
>
>for all the junglists in the chicago area:
>
>MAY 21, 1998
>DUBSHACK presents the second annual
>BROCKOUT! 101  The History of Jungle/ Drum&Bass Music
>join chicago's most respected drum & bass djs as we count back the years.
>1993:  DJ Snuggles  12:30-?
>1994:  DJ JJ Jellybean 11:30-12:30 in a very RARE live performance
>1995:  DJ Phantom 45  10:30-11:30
>1996:  DJ 3D 9:30-10:30
>1997/8:  DJ Chamberweed  8:30-9:30
>MC's:  Blackeye and Kid Entropy on the night
>Liar's Club  1665 w fullerton in chicago 773-665-1110
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>dubshack line: 847-604-1983
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>
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>July 16th "Return of the Ragga"  featuring DJ Jeffee/ JJ Jellybean
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>if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?

why buy a tent, when you can pitch your own?

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>>i'm worried.
>>
>>for people who have gone to Even Furthur in the past, how do you decide
>>whether to buy a tent or not to sleep in? It's not like a minor
>>investment, y'know...
>>
>>if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?

DOOOOOOOD WHO NEEDS A TENT MAN, JUST TWEAK YOUR SHIT UP ALL WEEKEND MAN...
SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK YO. ONLY SUCKERS SLEEP AT FURTHUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



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		...and for those of you who aren't keen on the older
		sound of skinny puppy and the origins of that tremendously
		influential group, i recommend checking out download
		or dvoa. the latest download is definitly worthy of 
		a listen since its the most dancey release to date from
		download...offering more complex structures than
		those at chain reaction/maurizio.  

-jen




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		...and for those of you who aren't keen on the older
		sound of skinny puppy and the origins of that tremendously
		influential group, i recommend checking out download
		or dvoa. the latest download is definitly worthy of 
		a listen since its the most dancey release to date from
		download...offering more complex structures than
		those at chain reaction/maurizio.  

-jen




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At 03:03 AM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>    Kurt, I gotta disagree with you here. Richie, although a god, is
>incarnated in the form of a skinny geeky guy, whereas you are taller and
>have cut some deals with Satan which would give you combat advantages.
>So you could put him on your flyer without fear of him beating you up.
>So don't try to fool us. Come up with a better defense or no one will
>show up..
>
>j2
>

i don't think so...i have about the same build as richie except i'm a
little shorter and just a little thinner...and i can kick the hell out of
anyone, so kurt better watch out!!  and if kurt's got a deal with the devil
goin, it doesn't do a shit bit o' good because richie's glasses give him
lazer ray's commin out his eyes.  don't you know that good always prevails?

not to mention that i hear richie's got a twelfth level wizard by the name
of Zimand looking out for him so i'd be careful cuz he might cast a meteor
swarm up in this bitch.

also, i think superman could beat batman in a fight even if batman had his
utility belt on. and my mom can beat up anyone's dad cuz she's popeye.
shiver me timbers!


Chad

p.s.  if richie does come down to try and kick kurts ass, they could tape
it and show that in place of having rich spin...that would be just as good,
don't you think?  or better yet, have a live feed and betting booths.


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     Some people really worry me.


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Date:    5/7/98 4:40 PM


And six packs of evil for those who don't enjoy sodomizing small household 
pets!!!! such as kitty kats, hampsters and all other sorts of analy 
delightfull furry friends! HURAH for the ducktaped head o hampster 
colection HURAH!
     
od, sodomizer of chikens...
     
At 01:13 AM 5/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>six-packs-of-evil for all those who don't like the OG Misfits as well! 
>
>and sixpacks of evil for those who DO like the Mentors... 'cause... 
>well... they don't need 'em... they just like like the feeling of all 
>that satan sliding deep into their lower intestine... mmm... mmm... 
>good.
>
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You people are sooooo wierd sometimes... I LIKE IT! :)

But I'm curious, could this latest sting of wierdness (richie vs. kurt 
and 6 packs of anal evil) due to the fact that a LOT of us are having 
finals and midterms right now? A little stress goes a long way :)

See ya'll at consumed tomorow night :)

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:35:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Rose <trose@uclink2.Berkeley.EDU>
To: war-room@cloudfactory.org
Subject: [war-room] 5.9.98 tonights technostate schedule


hey all you warriors...can you send this out to lists that you are on...
i've already hit sfraves and fnf
thanks!


now...with real video...

http://www.technostate.com (times are PST)

tonight!!!
8-9 : audiotactix (swadeshi, warrior)
9-10: quantum23 (Static)
10-11: Re-Ach (Static, A.R.M.)
11-12: Djinn (S.P.A.Z)

upcoming live pa's (mondays 6pm-10pm NOTE TIME CHANGE)
OPTIC
MADSCIENTIST
Nommo Ogo
FREAKY CHAKRA
RE:

upcoming dj's
aneurysm, gabbergirl, L.E.S, DJINN, safetyscissors, sutekh, 12-gage,
skyy-lite, John Carrol, Gabber Dave, james d, Ethan, happy kid Marty, 


watch our studio page for current schedule...live party broadcasts on
weekends...special events...one offs...

dont forget to sign our guestbook!

-Tony




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     Definitely get a tent, it will be a good investment.  Go to Kmart, 
     they have Coleman tents there for pretty cheap.  I've been camping my 
     whole life, and would definitely recommend them.  I believe I paid $80 
     for mine.  Generally try to get the best tent you can afford ( you'll 
     be glad you did if it rains), and try to go with a dome tent.  I 
     wouldn't get anything bigger than a 3 of 4 person, tends to be a 
     hassle to set up.  Also keep in mind that you should get a ground 
     tarp.  It will keep your tent dryer, cleaner (rolling up a muddy tent 
     sucks), and they only cost a couple of bucks.  One more thing, if it 
     rains, make sure that nothing in the tent is touching the sides of the 
     tent, as this is how most tents will leak.
     
     
     E
     
     P.S.- Try Walmart, Sears, or Target if you don't have a Kmart near 
     you.  Sporting goods stores sell tents too, but usually they are way 
     overpriced for what you get.  If you have $500 to spend try finding a 
     North Face store, talk about crazy tent prices!


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i'm worried.
     
for people who have gone to Even Furthur in the past, how do you decide 
whether to buy a tent or not to sleep in? It's not like a minor 
investment, y'know...
     
if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?
     
Amene
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     I think it's only cheating if you get those little Japanese lanterns.
     
     E


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On Fri, 8 May 1998, Dfunkster wrote:
> appropriate.  If you could rent an RV it would be the shit!
     
Hey thats cheating!!
     
roughing tent style,
Adam Meadows
     
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On Thu, 7 May 1998, SM:)EEN wrote:

> Is there anything going on in Madison saturday night?  I really need to 
> get out of this fucking place...
> I'd love to hear of what's going on up there.

Since the calendar gets so many announcements of events it's always a 
good place to start.

http://hyperreal.org/raves/mw/mwravescalendar




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     This guy scares me.


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>>i'm worried.
>>
>>for people who have gone to Even Furthur in the past, how do you decide 
>>whether to buy a tent or not to sleep in? It's not like a minor 
>>investment, y'know...
>>
>>if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?
     
DOOOOOOOD WHO NEEDS A TENT MAN, JUST TWEAK YOUR SHIT UP ALL WEEKEND MAN... 
SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK YO. ONLY SUCKERS SLEEP AT FURTHUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
     
     
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I was thinking.....

Kurt could easily beat the living hell out of ritchie hawtin.  hell my
mother could do it easily.  Anywho,  i was wondering if you kids would
pay money to see such a spectacle? maybe?  what if they battled in a
mud pit in spandex?  sound better??  How bout this, how bout the
winner has to face Huggie -n- wilhelm K in a no holds barred death
match for the title of biggest tits on a man ???  How could anyone
resist such a battle of galactic proportions???  how bout if i threw
in delta 9 -n- a dunk tank? all for the low low price of $5.  ok ill
stop now....

on a different note...(shameless promotion)

Saturday June 27th in Madison Wisconsin...
Joint Effort Productions brings you..
Ruling Methods

w/djs:

Omegaman...Plus 8, definitive

Sleepy C...Definitive, AVA, Psychoactive, cleveland

Andy Lightning...MCA, Tommy Boy, Death row, 1997 "Outcast" tour Dj,
detroit

Kimberly Nyx...Drop Bass Terror Unit, milwaukee

Nee High...Joint Effort Madison

Anonymous..M.A.S.H, madison

Yang...Mad Planet Prod, appleton

info:.....258.0007 ( right now its a recording of me coughing...it'll
be changed by this afternoon!!!)

Peace kiddies,
---alan




==



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um....i was just in Karma Record store and saw they had Furthur T-shirts on 
sale. from 1996.


Gip


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On Thu, 7 May 1998, dica! wrote:

> >MAY 21, 1998
> >BROCKOUT! 101  The History of Jungle/ Drum&Bass Music

**DAMNIT**
Why the hell does this happen during the few weeks I'm in boston!?!?  I
mean, for this, I'd even pick up a fake to get in!

> >free admission with your BRITISH rave horn or your Orange Club ID card.

so, who wants to borrow my horn for free admis?  :)

-pete
[i.miss.raga]


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In a message dated 98-05-07 21:30:06 EDT, you write:

> better yet, i was thinking about renting uhaul type of thing
>  and put like a couch or futon in the back and have a little
>  headquarter type of thing going on...maybe even a small soundsystem.

yeah, i was mulling over the same sort of idea, 'cept...  wouldn't that be
really hot and stuffy in there??  

i guess if yer only sleeping in there at night then it wouldn't be too bad,
but they don't seem to have the best circulation... nor would they be all that
safe.  

but somebody tell me i'm being a sillyass w/ these second thoughts, 'cuz i'd
much prefer this to a tent...

cheers
Blue

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   So... it's 2am by the plastik orange fence (if there is one)?
See y'all tomorrow!
   _   __  ____          o  ____  "You can take the cat from
 __)) ))_   ))  __  __   _   ))    the jungle, but never the
((_(  ((_  ((  (|  ((_) ((  ((     jungle from the cat."








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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:35:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Rose <trose@uclink2.Berkeley.EDU>
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hey all you warriors...can you send this out to lists that you are on...
i've already hit sfraves and fnf
thanks!


now...with real video...

http://www.technostate.com (times are PST)

tonight!!!
8-9 : audiotactix (swadeshi, warrior)
9-10: quantum23 (Static)
10-11: Re-Ach (Static, A.R.M.)
11-12: Djinn (S.P.A.Z)

upcoming live pa's (mondays 6pm-10pm NOTE TIME CHANGE)
OPTIC
MADSCIENTIST
Nommo Ogo
FREAKY CHAKRA
RE:

upcoming dj's
aneurysm, gabbergirl, L.E.S, DJINN, safetyscissors, sutekh, 12-gage,
skyy-lite, John Carrol, Gabber Dave, james d, Ethan, happy kid Marty, 


watch our studio page for current schedule...live party broadcasts on
weekends...special events...one offs...

dont forget to sign our guestbook!

-Tony




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On Fri, 8 May 1998, Detroit Junglist wrote:

>    So... it's 2am by the plastik orange fence (if there is one)?
> See y'all tomorrow!

awes yeah, you know i'll be there!
....and if there isn't a plastik fence....?

=jes


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On Thu, 7 May 1998, dica! wrote:

>From: DUBSHACK <DUBSHACK@aol.com>
>
>for all the junglists in the chicago area:
 
> >MAY 21, 1998
> >DUBSHACK presents the second annual
> >BROCKOUT! 101  The History of Jungle/ Drum&Bass Music
> >join chicago's most respected drum & bass djs as we count back the years.
> >1993:  DJ Snuggles  12:30-?
> >1994:  DJ JJ Jellybean 11:30-12:30 in a very RARE live performance
> >1995:  DJ Phantom 45  10:30-11:30
> >1996:  DJ 3D 9:30-10:30
> >1997/8:  DJ Chamberweed  8:30-9:30
> >MC's:  Blackeye and Kid Entropy on the night
> >Liar's Club  1665 w fullerton in chicago 773-665-1110
> >21+, 8:30 start, $5.00 doors.  Maximum Vibe Runnin'

this year's Brockout 101 is gonna rock hard! i was a bit late for last
year's but i caught the end of the JJ jellybean's set and Snuggle's entire
92-93 UK hardcore set...absolutely one of the best times i had that whole
year...Snuggle's dropped tune after tune...i was almost in tears. and when
he played Acen's 'Close Your Eyes' (remix 2) i think i died.....anyone
that is able to get in to this event and doesn't go is an idiot....

maximun vibe for sure,
matt 


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Gotta disagree, I can't vouch for all of them but most of them have
serious skills, have been around the scene and paid their dues, AND and
really nice guys on top of it - case in point, we had to move our date,
and Trevor Lamont kindly agreed with no extra charge, and then showed up
as a "special guest" the original night at that Rave the Planet party and
rocked it.  They get booked alot in Chicago because they (at least the
ones I've heard) are good and charge reasonable prices, not to mention all
the times they've thrown down at small parties for free, I'm sure.  That's
why people keep booking them!
Becky

On Thu, 7 May 1998, ZXTZXTZXT wrote:

> Yuck....
> I can't believe these over played WACK hype DJs got a tour going.
> A couple of them (Traxx & Halo) may have a little skill, but most of the
> tamsters I've ever talked to are egotistical assholes all stuck on themselves.
> they get booked over and over again by the same couple chicago promoters cause
> of how they suck cock.  And the're skills are overall no better then most
> bedroom DJs I've heard.
> 


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Right, sue because you don't like someone's opinion... you are a real
pillar of the scene.

On Thu, 7 May 1998, datamyte wrote:

> i should sue for false advertising-
> if i cared
> 
> Paul Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > Release date: 5-07-98
> >
> > IndepenDance has been postponed one full year to July 2-5, 1999, same
> > place. To help the public understand what has happened so far, I will
> > elaborate on points not made public previous to this date (thanks in
> > part to the failure to revise the mw-raves calendar, although the latest
> > mixmag has the most notable change in a later ad):
> >
> > a) parade permits are guaranteed by the First Amendment, but they are
> > still subject to "public safety" concerns, apparently to the tune of 150
> > officers at double pay; this made the parade unfeasibly expensive given
> > the other factors;
> >
> > b) key sponsors delayed in final decisions on extent of involvement, and
> > numerous booth rentors failed to pay in the contracted period;
> >
> > c) the event was being scaled back - we are dedicated 100% to making
> > sure that this event is bar none the best dance event in U.S. history
> > AND an unprecedented value for the dollar, and any scaling back acts to
> > defeat that goal;
> >
> > d) not enough independent record labels - we had eight confirmed and a
> > goal of no less than eighty (we don't want majors to market their goods
> > without the contrast of low-profile, high quality microbusinesses) - and
> > not enough panelists for the seminars;
> >
> > e) we were understaffed and overworked (we now have two more
> > full-timers);
> >
> > f) we're working on a simulcast parade with some Berliners you may have
> > heard of;
> >
> > f) we didn't want to leave our own event to see Jeff Mills in Kalamazoo.
> >
> > I hope that clears things up. Oh, yeah, you'll see it in our upcoming
> > ads, but if anyone on the list already purchased a ticket, your refund
> > will be supplemented with $20 credit towards a dance music event presale
> > ticket of your choice through New Year's Eve. Please mail us the ticket
> > along with full contact information as soon as possible:
> > *******WE WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THE WHOLE WORLD HAS BEEN ASSIMILATED*******
> > IndepenDance
> > 5825 Vine St 2nd Floor
> > Cincinnati, OH    45216
> >
> >     Pax Domine,
> >
> >     Paul Sullivan, C.O.O. IndepenDance Productions, Inc.
> >     phone:   513.242.4343
> >     fax:        513.242.5054
> >     e-mail:    calicohq@iac.net
> 
>   what a bunch of HORSESHIT!>>>>>
> 
> I hope that clears things up. Oh, yeah, you'll see it in our upcoming
> ads, but if anyone on the list already purchased a ticket, your refund
> will be supplemented with $20 credit towards a dance music event presale
> ticket of your choice through New Year's Eve. Please mail us the ticket
> along with full contact information as soon as possible.
> 
> is this what raves are turning into?
> 
> onelove.
> noble
> 


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Who would win in a fight on Jerry Springer between

Kurt and Richie

Delta9 and Missy Elliot

Keoki and Kermit the Frog

Dica! and my grandma

p.s.  Does anyone know if the richie hawtin experience will be doing a 
live p.a. with some tunes off the new album or something?

Jesse

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>Attending a wedding for the first time, a little girl whispered to her
> mother, "Why is the bride dressed in white?"
> "Because white is the color of happiness, and today is the happiest day
> of her life," her mother tried to explain, keeping it simple.
>
>The child  thought about this for a moment, then said,
>
>"So why's the groom wearing  black!!!???"


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I'll be there too... I'll be wearing some clothes, and soem shoes... and 
I have hair... look for me, I'll be easy to spot...

-craig/xotis/spree-

>
>On Fri, 8 May 1998, Detroit Junglist wrote:
>
>>    So... it's 2am by the plastik orange fence (if there is one)?
>> See y'all tomorrow!
>
>awes yeah, you know i'll be there!
>....and if there isn't a plastik fence....?
>
>=jes
>
>


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From: Chad Sponholz <cspon@csd.uwm.edu>
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At 12:23 PM 5/8/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Who would win in a fight on Jerry Springer between
>
i would win any fight on jerry springer. you ever see them?  all they do is
buck em in the face once before security stops em..
i on the other hand would jump out the chair and go balistic on everyone in
the place before i even thought about charging the person i had a problem
with...that way no one could stop me while i'm handling my bidness.

>Kurt and Richie

me.
>

>Delta9 and Missy Elliot
>
me.

>Keoki and Kermit the Frog
>
me.

>Dica! and my grandma
>
my great grandma.  it taught her chad-kwon-fu...she can scrap with da best
of em..look for the  upcomming match with Mike Tyson
(shameless self promotion)

i know you said it was a match between just those two people.  but me and
my family really have a problem with jumping into fights.  we are banned
from stadiums, arenas, boxing matches...but WWF seems to like us for some
reason.

>p.s.  Does anyone know if the richie hawtin experience will be doing a 
>live p.a. with some tunes off the new album or something?

won't the new album be out by then? isn't it comming out within a couple
weeks?  not that i'd mind him doing a pa, but i will probably have the
album then and it wouldn't be as "special" as if he played the stuff before
it was even out.
it'd still rock assthough.

Chad

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Kermit would kick both Keoki & Jerry's arse!  yah!

hehehe....is it time to go home yet?  :)

I love Friday afternoons at work!!!  :P

wired & tired,
angel O:)
> ----------
> From: 	Jesse Settle[SMTP:skreds@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 	 May 08, 1998 2:23PM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	A fight!
> 
> Who would win in a fight on Jerry Springer between
> 
> Keoki and Kermit the Frog
> 
> 

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 08 20:40:37 1998
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On the tent thread~

I used to have a huge-ass army tent that I camped out in when I was a kid.
You
could probably sleep 20-30 people in it!  I never remember it leaking when it
rained or anything....Can you still get these @ army supply stores?  Does
anyone have a clue how much it would cost??  It could be a big living room in
the net-ravers
village!!  

Whooo-hoo!

Peace`
Darian (DNag)

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mmm, yeah, looks like I'll be there too.  I'll be wearing 69 inch phat
pants, making fun of crackheads while anally-ingesting meth-filled
hamsters, and charging $35 to let people hear me talk about religion.

oh yeah, and in any fight involving the Gorgeous Ladies Of Wrestling, 
we all win


	not even stressed,
			toastman


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>Kurt and Richie

kurt.

>Delta9 and Missy Elliot

definitely delta 9, unless missy brings some of her homiez down.

>Keoki and Kermit the Frog

i'd have to say kermit on this one, because keoki will probably be too
coked up to fight very effectively.

>Dica! and my grandma

definitely your grandma.  she's got huge cajones, let me tell you.  "i'm a
lover, not a fighter."  :P

::::::::::: jon/dica ::::::::::: jabraun@students.wisc.edu ::::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:rinsin' out every thurs. nite, 12-3am central time at http://www.msr.org :
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::: "make some noise if you can even see us!" -- the mc rumble @ zoiks :::

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On Fri, 8 May 1998, . xotis . wrote:

> I'll be there too... I'll be wearing some clothes, and soem shoes... and 
> I have hair... look for me, I'll be easy to spot...

Eww... i hope that your planning on wearing some socks too.  It sounds
like your outfit is crazy enough as it is, but if ya *really* want to
stick out try wearing some white socks under those shoes.

-Peggy



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Looking for a ride
Have tent, will travel

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defiantly... check out the army surplus stores... there's all kinds of neat
stuff there....   also, the socal list just had a "camping" party.... email
them to get ideas too... they're so full of NRG and happiness, they'd be
thrilled to help.  the address is socal-raves@ucsd.edu    have fun!

lotalove
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and what he did was - He started up this club called the Klu Klux Klan.
They'd all dress up in their robes and their bed sheets, and act like a
bunch of ghost or spooks or something. They'd even put bedsheets on their
horses and ride around. In anyway, that was how I got my name - Forrest
Gump... My momma said the Forrest part is to remind me that people sometimes
do things that, well, just don't make no sense."
                            - Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump

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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 3:40 PM
Subject: Here's an idea......


>On the tent thread~
>
>I used to have a huge-ass army tent that I camped out in when I was a kid.
>You
>could probably sleep 20-30 people in it!  I never remember it leaking when
it
>rained or anything....Can you still get these @ army supply stores?  Does
>anyone have a clue how much it would cost??  It could be a big living room
in
>the net-ravers
>village!!
>
>Whooo-hoo!
>
>Peace`
>Darian (DNag)




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I cried that night. Snugs dropped Edge records #1. 'nuff said. That and Mystic
Bill brockin' out was that sight!

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all i have to say about this teamsters stuff is that i thought organized
konfusion was one of the best parties i've been to.  they kept me dancing
the entire time i was there.  and for $8
PLUR
rachel

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In a message dated 5/8/98 8:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rnewton@wpo.it.luc.edu writes:

> all i have to say about this teamsters stuff is that i thought organized
>  konfusion was one of the best parties i've been to.  they kept me dancing
>  the entire time i was there.  and for $8

wasn't it $7.99? or did they make it $8? THOSE GREEDY BASTARDS!!!!

paul

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Hello all!

Olaris Network will be broadcasting live from Cincinnati on Friday
(tonight) May 8 from 9-11 EDT on Radio Distortion. "Olaris Live" and
"Power Set" are the scheduled shows. 

You can listen via RealAudio from http://www.radiodistortion.com --
click on "DJ Elroy."

Enjoy...

Ben / DJ Elroy

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so why is it these hippie festivals can be called chicago hemp fest and
greater columbus cannabis campout (there's flyers for it all over the
sculpture studio) and there are no worries of it being busted, while if
somebody threw something called ecstacy party or acid rave it would
probably be shut down in 2 seconds? (although the first party i went to
was "e" in akron and wasn't busted...but that was in 95 and it was WAY on
the downlow, i.e. flyers, etc.) nothing meant against the festivals but
are they paying off the cops or what?

np: anabolic frolic--happy 2 b hardcore 2

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> for people who have gone to Even Furthur in the past, how do you decide
> whether to buy a tent or not to sleep in? It's not like a minor
> investment, y'know...
> 
> if buying a tent is the way to go, what should one look for in a tent?

i haven't been to further but i've done my share of camping (not usually
well equipped!). i got a $20 tent last year at kmart or something. it was
the cheapest kind they had, 2 person pup tent, it works although i haven't
really slept in it. it will need to be supplemented with 2 tarps, above
and below, to make it waterproof, after that i don't think it will have
any problems. so if you're not super-serious about the camping thing and
don't have lots of money you might want one like this, but be sure to get
2 good tarps or one really big tarp to wrap around. soggy tents really
suck.

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they need to bring miss piggy on jerry springer to beat up all the trailer
trash.

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----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca Jane Meyer <meyerr@umich.edu>
To: datamyte <duchess@mc.net>
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|Right, sue because you don't like someone's opinion... you are a real
|pillar of the scene.
|


What the hell are you talking about? Is this sarcasm, and if so, what for?
Someone posted cancellation information about the RAVE PARADE(TM), and now
you are mocking them? Do you mean that the cancellation information was
someone's /opinion/? Honestly people do the oddest things.
Apologies if this was some kind of joke and I misinterpreted...

Anyways, things like Rave Parades are what makes me embarrased to live in
Cincinnati. Well, that and outlawing erotic literature and banning art
exhibits. It's no wonder everyone else in the country laughs this town...
What are these kids thinking? What does electronic dance music and freaky
drugged up kids have to do with unbridled patriotism and love of amerikka,
or is there supposed to be some kind of irony to this? Frankly the concept
makes me a little queasy.
Did they just sit down one day and say "Hey, after the weiner roast and
jell-o at grandma's house, all the ravers can come down and see all the MTV
amp artists in one place, then go to a big convention where Roland can sell
them Groove Approved bottle rockets and everyone can chat with those
pioneers in techno music publication like Geffen and Sony and Virgin! It'll
be a celebration of what this beautiful country and Raver Spirit is all
about! What a great idea!" I have this frightening suspicion that they
did...

-andrew byrd-
byrdam@email.uc.edu
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/byrdam/index.html

---

furthering the expansion of dissonance and conscious avoidance of tonality.



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Rebecca Jane Meyer wrote:

> Right, sue because you don't like someone's opinion... you are a real
> pillar of the scene.
>

I guess I should have made it clearer that I was being fecicious. I do not care
to
sue or not to sue, that is the point. I guess if I was a Corporation I would have
an agenda
that would be clear, but since I am individual, my agenda will be non-agenda.

Does anyone see the relationship between a corporate event like this( yes
IndenpenDance TM's
agenda is pretty clear) and some other corporate agenda. Will we start buying
stock in promotion
companies? Will we all have "rave" credit cards and bonus club points?

I wouldn't sue because that would bring me to their level. If you bought tickets
and don't want
a $20 credit, what do you do?   That's why I.M.H.O buying pre-sale tickets-
unless you are
100% sure everythings legit, and  and you've investigated the cause you're going
to invest your
hard earned bucks in - is kind of a gamble. (FURTHER- there's no question about
it)

I'm really not sure what Paul's intentions are, I've never met him. But, it seems
pretty clear
to me that the intentions of IndepenDance productions are to cash in on the
marketing of the
scene. This is my opinion, and yours may differ completely.

i am, i be..
i'm only me

onelove.
noble


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Hello,

                 I am Fragrant Records(LA) & Global Energy Muzik(LA)
recording artist Gyrate, and I'm searching for promoters to book my live
PA through the year of 1998 and beyond.

INFO: 
        The style of music I produce is progressive with tranced
overtones, melodic with acidic undertones, and extremely inspirational.
The majority of my music is designed not just to dance to, but to lift
the spirit and touch the soul. My style of music is quite diverse and
moves through many categories of music. If asked to define Gyrate in
only a few words I would describe Gyrate as progressive melodic trance/
acidic breakbeat.
     
         I've been creating dance music for about 4 years and playing
the piano for about 10. I have music out on Global Energy Muzik(LA) 
and have recently signed with Fragrant Records(LA). My debut release on
Fragrant will be out in May. 
                                              
I've mainly played for raves and night clubs in the southwestern region,
and Orlando Florida. I would love to travel my act nationally, and
eventually internationally. I live in Albquerque New Mexico. My
preformance time is 1 hour and 15 minutes in length, and the set
consists of 6-7 songs which BPM range is between 132 to 140. (more info.
available on request)   


        
        To those out there who are interested please contact me.

Gabe  (505)255-5254    
Albquerque New Mexico                                                   
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                      Thank you for your time,
-- 
Gabe aka Gyrate                                   
                                                  
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Global Energy Muzik

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Rebecca Jane Meyer wrote:
> 
> Gotta disagree, I can't vouch for all of them but most of them have
> serious skills, have been around the scene and paid their dues, AND and
> really nice guys on top of it 

werd Rebecca. i've never been dissapointed wif any Teamster's set, and
when Paul Johnson dissed us last year, Justin Long steppedup and
filleddabill nicely, extending his set by an hour&1/2; and didn't tax us
any harder. needless to say, da fuckin floor was movin till da end. from
my experiences, der Teamsters are nuffin but straightup kids wif da
ruffneck skills ta git buckwild, not to mention very nice people, so i
feel sorry for that kid who felt it neccessary ta dis im in an attempt
to compensate fer his own impotence. i hear they got pills fer that shit
nowdays, so lightenup bitch.

i admit that they're overbooked around here, but that's jus cause
THEY'RE GOOD. hence the tour thang.

bye-bye,
--aRNO
 
========= =================== =============================

  A3) Chunky acid sounds & squeeky wind noises & mad out of control 
  drumkit bashing sounds like loads of robots jumping around on flowers.

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Especially ones where it's encouraged to bring their own tables and spin
in the campground..  I learned this one after FA last year where I got
maybe 2 hours of sleep over the three days...

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E A R P L U G S
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Although it was nice to hear some of the talent out in the campgrounds, I
just couldn't sleep with it going on constantly.  I'm picky like that
sometimes.

Although, I must say, it's the best time I've ever had... from what I
heard from other people, they were using our tent as a landmark, too... I
bought outdoor blacklight strings and hung them up around our tent.

Anyone put any thought to having different camping sections, like a
resturant?  Spinning, and non-spinning?  ;)

-d


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On Sat, 9 May 1998, Derrick K Karteczka wrote:

> 
> Anyone put any thought to having different camping sections, like a
> resturant?  Spinning, and non-spinning?  ;)

Well, I have got the idea that this is how furthur is going to be set up. 
Apparently there is a campground with electricity that will be the theme 
camp and sound system area. I'm sure people will camp with their systems, 
but I bet the other camping areas don't  have electric hook ups and that 
will be general camping. 

but who knows. last year I was tortured by the spiral tribe system. they 
were playing really rockin house one afternoon, and I needed sleep but I 
kept getting up to dance...

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you people just don't know what up with the Chicago teamsters.
TRAXX is an ASSHOLE.  He's constantly picking fights with other DJs and with
EVERY Chicago Promoter.  I see now why he has so many teeth missing.

Justin Long goes off beet quite often, and his ego is HUGE!!! He's a dork.

Halo is straight.

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...an electric blow dryer if you are using any electronic gear.

Brain Farm

...and some advice to tweakers and skiers...

While examining sections of heart from a group of cardiac arrest victims
I noticed some peculiar changes...a few weeks later I saw the same
changes in the heart of a young San Francisco housewife who had
collapsed and died while using cocaine.  She had no known medical
problems;  however, she and her husband had been "experimenting" with
cocaine for about a year.  When I examined her heart, I noticed that
it was enlarged, and its walls thickened.  I also noticed an unusual
gritty feeling when I cut into the heart.  I processed several
portions of the heart for examination under the microscope.  I
was astonished to see how badly scarred the heart was.

Steven B. Karch, M.D.


Take care of yourself because no one else is going to.

Advice from a veteran.




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Time heterogenous social structures got you down?
Corporations in your brain?
Ecstacy worn off?

Broke?

electricculture chicago's gallery performance and exhibition.

invitation extended to everyone clever.

300 W superior, May 9th, 7pm. [Chicago, Illinois]

observe as eCult's tribe represents in electronic ultimedia improv.
arctor, nano, mDma, soma, egan, spot, et al

holographic cultural interfacing by the corporate underground.

history rewritten.

www.electricculture.com/deltaT/
main site
www.electricculture.com/deltaT/press.htm
press release

luv *.*

events@electricculture.com

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> so why is it these hippie festivals can be called chicago hemp fest and
> greater columbus cannabis campout (there's flyers for it all over the
> sculpture studio) and there are no worries of it being busted, while if
> somebody threw something called ecstacy party or acid rave it would
> probably be shut down in 2 seconds? (although the first party i went to
> was "e" in akron and wasn't busted...but that was in 95 and it was WAY on
> the downlow, i.e. flyers, etc.) nothing meant against the festivals but
> are they paying off the cops or what?

well ...maybe because marijuana is not as harmful as mdma and lsd ????
marijuana is a natural occuring "weed" which has been used by many
cultures throughout earth's history...(for religious, industrial, and
recreational purposes) i am still confused as to why
AmeriKa keeps chopping down trees when a more viable source of pulp is the
hemp plant.  *shrug*   who says politicians are right though?

The Chicago HempFest is being held at Grant Park today....they will be
marching a few blocks through downtown in this peaceful gathering.....the
chicago park district is doing everyhting possible to restrict the use of
Grant Park but have been turned down by the afederal judge for an
injunction against the coordinators of the HempFest....therefore police
presence will be high similar to last year when they arrested
approximately 60 people on possession charges.  

i read in the chicago tribune on friday that the coordinators DO NOT WANT
pot smokers to smoke pot there....it is not a "hey lets get high rally"
it is a political demonstration in hopes of increasing public awareness of
medicinal marijuana and industrial hemp....both of which could (and
should) be "big industry" in the united states

anyways....why should a party called an acid rave or e party get
busted...well it shouldnt...but it does because both are VERY unnatural to
the earth and are man made.

nuff rambling

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa



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<quote> I'm really not sure what Paul's intentions are, I've never met
him. But, it seems pretty clear to me that the intentions of
IndepenDance productions are to cash in on the marketing of the scene.
This is my opinion, and yours may differ completely.<end>

Not to drag out a subject that really pointless to argue amongst
ourselves about........but
everyone is getting all bent out of shape based on the >assumptions<
that they've made regarding the intentions of Calico and IndepenDance.
Who among you that have bitched about this have made an effort to talk
to and maybe get to know these guys a little? Maybe they're not really
into "raves". Maybe they just happen to like the music that gets played
at raves. Maybe this has nothing to do dancing, and everything to do
with music that just happens to be labeled dance. Those of us with a
passion for music could probably give a shit less if the "rave scene"
dried up and blew away, because we know that there will always be the
music somewhere, and to us that's what its all about. I personally think
IndepenDance would have been worth checking out if for no other reason
than that soooooo many companies that I buy products from, be they major
corporations or tiny record companies with two guys running them, would
be gathered together in one place, showcasing the talent and products
that they have to offer. Plus, they might all have great deals going on!
I would believe about .001% of this list if everyone swore that they
never bought products from huge corporation. I do, and I can't figure
out why everyone feels that I should be ashamed to say that. Anyone?
Yeah, yeah, don't get me wrong, I love to support the little guy, but
when Tori Amos' new album came out on Atlantic or whatever label, I
bought it. Why? For the music. And all those little guys who produce
music in they're bedrooms..... they use gear from Roland[TM], Sony[TM],
Casio[TM], etc. To record in a studio.....huge masses of corporate
technology, and to press records....watch out! How about the food you
eat, the clothes you wear, the computers you're reading this on??? Your
lives revolve around money. The music industry revolves around money.
No, that doesn't mean that the intentions behind the music made are to
make money, but I don't believe any of you could honestly say that you
wouldn't like to make a living off of the things that you love to do.
For me, that's music. At the moment I've not done anything but lost huge
amounts of money as a result of my passion for making music, but I hope
that will change someday, is that wrong of me? 
I don't think so. How 'bout you artists out there who design flyers? Are
you an evil corporate scumbag trying to cash in on the scene? <whiny
voice> "You shouldn't charge me to design and print a flyer, you should
do it for the love of our scene!" .....whatever.

So please explain what's wrong with a showcase of all these companies
that have a hand in the production of dance music. You've all given them
money before, you'll give them money again, most likely before the day's
out. So all of you who preach using the rave scene to open up and let
your true self out..... why are you so embarrased and scared of doing
just that when it comes to money that you'd attack someone based on
nothing but assumptions to hide the truth about yourself?

Craig

-- 
"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him."-Voltaire

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."-Georg Hegel

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On Sat, 9 May 1998 11:12:49 -0400 (EDT) MikeyD <mikeyd@pubnix.org>
writes:

>well ...maybe because marijuana is not as harmful as mdma and lsd ????
>marijuana is a natural occuring "weed" which has been used by many
>cultures throughout earth's history...

I'll agree that it is definitely less harmful, but Acid & E are not as
harmful as everyone makes them out to be.  Sure, there's that "freak out"
factor with acid, but people with unstable minds shouldn't be using any
drugs.  On the toxicity level though, acid is pretty harmless.  As for E,
it has existed for around 80 years and has been in widespread use for
over 30 years.  As long as you are using pure E, the harmful effects are
nearly non-existent, and they have yet to prove that the changes it may
cause in your brain chemistry actually affect the way you live and
function.  Statistically, E is safer than attending a soccer game (in
other words, you stand a greater chance of dying at a soccer game than
from taking E).  Also, E is the most commonly experimented with drug by
youths in Europe - more so than pot.  So my theory on it is, that with
over 30 years of widespread use, if it really fucked you up all that
badly, we would know it by now.  However, remember, we are talking about
_pure_ E, which is becoming harder and harder to find around here (by the
way all you tweekers - don't mix E and meth, that WILL fry your brian -
or better yet, don't use meth at all).

>anyways....why should a party called an acid rave or e party get
>busted...well it shouldnt...but it does because both are VERY 
>unnatural to the earth and are man made.
>

That's only half true.  Both E and Acid are based in natural substances. 
LSA (the base of LSD) can be derived from ergot fungus, Morning Glory
seeds as well as Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds and I assume several other
natural sources.   Manufacture of Ecstasy can be started from sassafras. 
However, both are chemically modified making them semi-synthetic, but not
completely "unnatural". 

BTW, before this turns into a huge thread, check the facts.  My opinions
and facts were mostly derived from the books "E for Ecstasy" by Nicholas
Saunders & "LSD: My Problem Child" By Albert Hoffman.  Both are widely
available online as well as the usual FAQs.  Start at www.hyperreal.org. 
If you can't find it there, you'll find the right links.

	Joe

PS: To get back on the subject...naming an event after something illegal
is stupid.

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Hello,

                 I am Fragrant Records(LA) & Global Energy Muzik(LA)
recording artist Gyrate, and I'm searching for promoters to book my live
PA through the year of 1998 and beyond.

INFO: 
        The style of music I produce is progressive with tranced
overtones, melodic with acidic undertones, and extremely inspirational.
The majority of my music is designed not just to dance to, but to lift
the spirit and touch the soul. My style of music is quite diverse and
moves through many categories of music. If asked to define Gyrate in
only a few words I would describe Gyrate as progressive melodic trance/
acidic breakbeat.
     
         I've been creating dance music for about 4 years and playing
the piano for about 10. I have music out on Global Energy Muzik(LA) 
and have recently signed with Fragrant Records(LA). My debut release on
Fragrant will be out in May. 
                                              
I've mainly played for raves and night clubs in the southwestern region,
and Orlando Florida. I would love to travel my act nationally, and
eventually internationally. I live in Albquerque New Mexico. My
preformance time is 1 hour and 15 minutes in length, and the set
consists of 6-7 songs which BPM range is between 132 to 140. (more info.
available on request)   


        
        To those out there who are interested please contact me.

Gabe  (505)255-5254    
Albquerque New Mexico                                                   
E-MAIL: gyrate@cris.com
                                                       
                      Thank you for your time,
-- 
Gabe aka Gyrate                                   
                                                  
Fragrant Records &                                
Global Energy Muzik

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Hey, there's a detour on the M59, I will post new directions on
http://www.plastikman.com/

People have been asking if ticket prices are increasing at the door, NO,
ticket prices will be $25 at the door.

Richie is confirmed completely and totally for Further, thanks to people
who wanted to confirm any rumours they heard, DBN is above any sort of
Richie trickery.  Richie will be posting shortly to personally confirm.

Thanks, ISDN is go, the void is go, simon is go, voice is go, stairs are
go, sound will make your bowels loosen, everything is go, see all lucky
people here tonight.

Tosh - Computer nerd @ MINUS INC.

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Well, this was a dead thread but I had a few questions for the person from
plus 8 who responded to this thread.  They decided not to answer my email
so I'm forwarding it to the list. 

>Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:15:38 -0700
>To: tosh@c4.ca
>From: Tad <sluckboy@pop.primenet.com>
>Subject: Re: *YOU* are greedy
>In-Reply-To: <3550B17B.96983E42@c4.ca>
>
>>is ONE time) on a party, which was Sickness/Recovery, which was still
>>under $20.  
>
I've been to a few +8 parties (or plastikproducts whatever)  Sickness and
Recovery being one and I recall paying at least $20 for this party.  I also
recall going to Jak O Lantern and being told b4 going that the party would
be only 10 dollars yet  once again I shelled out 20 bucks.
Are your door people scamming you and the ravers?????

I've enjoyed every party +8 party I have attended and never felt 'cheated'
but now I have to wonder if there isnt some sorta miscommunication in
between people working the door and those actually throwing the party?


tad


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> > >
> > 
> > Well, the space has memories basically.. and trust me, that party was by 
> > FAR the best I've been to in months. I give a lot of credit for the 
> > speakers outside, altho didn't last too long. Lately I really don't 
> > build up my expectations, because usually it just gets ya down, I had 
> > fun. :) Lots of cool kidz> > 


Agreed! This little Floridian was sorely missing some groovin' under the
starz. All I could do was look up at the sky above my head and down at the
grass under my feet and think: further... further... Further!

love, hugs, peace and pudding

--K.


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RIGHT ON, Mikey!!!

onelove.
noble

MikeyD wrote:

> > so why is it these hippie festivals can be called chicago hemp fest and
> > greater columbus cannabis campout (there's flyers for it all over the
> > sculpture studio) and there are no worries of it being busted, while if
> > somebody threw something called ecstacy party or acid rave it would
> > probably be shut down in 2 seconds? (although the first party i went to
> > was "e" in akron and wasn't busted...but that was in 95 and it was WAY on
> > the downlow, i.e. flyers, etc.) nothing meant against the festivals but
> > are they paying off the cops or what?
>
> well ...maybe because marijuana is not as harmful as mdma and lsd ????
> marijuana is a natural occuring "weed" which has been used by many
> cultures throughout earth's history...(for religious, industrial, and
> recreational purposes) i am still confused as to why
> AmeriKa keeps chopping down trees when a more viable source of pulp is the
> hemp plant.  *shrug*   who says politicians are right though?
>
> The Chicago HempFest is being held at Grant Park today....they will be
> marching a few blocks through downtown in this peaceful gathering.....the
> chicago park district is doing everyhting possible to restrict the use of
> Grant Park but have been turned down by the afederal judge for an
> injunction against the coordinators of the HempFest....therefore police
> presence will be high similar to last year when they arrested
> approximately 60 people on possession charges.
>
> i read in the chicago tribune on friday that the coordinators DO NOT WANT
> pot smokers to smoke pot there....it is not a "hey lets get high rally"
> it is a political demonstration in hopes of increasing public awareness of
> medicinal marijuana and industrial hemp....both of which could (and
> should) be "big industry" in the united states
>
> anyways....why should a party called an acid rave or e party get
> busted...well it shouldnt...but it does because both are VERY unnatural to
> the earth and are man made.
>
> nuff rambling
>
> -mikeyD
> Rural.AmeriKa




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In a message dated 98-05-09 02:54:11 EDT, you write:

<<  - - - - - - -
 E A R P L U G S
  - - - - - - -
 
 Although it was nice to hear some of the talent out in the campgrounds, I
 just couldn't sleep with it going on constantly.  I'm picky like that
 sometimes. >>

Earplugs NEVAAAAAR!!! :P  My absolute favorite thing about outside parties the
fact that you are surrounded by beautiful music non-freakin-stop for days!!.
Nothing better than to lay down after you've been dancing you ass off for h-o-
u-r-s, and really listen and feel the music pull you to sleep........*sigh*
how many more weeks until 
Further??

Peace`
Darian "not pluggin dese ears" Nagle
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      Your brutal goal was to make me a slave beneeath the ruse of 
      being served by you. Pardon me, friend, and for once hear me
      through: I am outraged with anger and I rave.  
                                          -Louise Labe (1524-1566) 

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In a message dated 98-05-09 03:45:14 EDT, eos@barkingcat.org writes:

<< but who knows. last year I was tortured by the spiral tribe system. they 
 were playing really rockin house one afternoon, and I needed sleep but I 
 kept getting up to dance.. >>

Hee Hee!  That's what I'm talkin about!  LUV IT~~~

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>As long as you are using pure E, the harmful effects are nearly non-existent

this is a key point here.  i say, GOOD LUCK.


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: "make some noise if you can even see us!" -- mc rumble at a foggy Zoiks :

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DJ Tsar - Random Reality

some mighty tasty progressive trance. I haven't noticed a real big
interest in trance on this list (maybe cuz I'm deleting 1/2 of the
messages without reading them,) but if you like hard trance or want to
expand your musical horizons (or are simply a music whore like me) then
get this tape! smooth mixing. beautiful (j-card) cover art. very versatile
listening experience- if you keep the volume low it kicks ass for
studying or if you play it loud it'll surely get you dancing.   

 -Peggy

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> But I'm curious, could this latest sting of wierdness (richie vs. kurt 
> and 6 packs of anal evil) due to the fact that a LOT of us are having 
> finals and midterms right now? A little stress goes a long way :)

I can't answer any questions about the Kurt Vs. Richie duel to the
death... but seeing as how I pretty much started the "six packs of evil"
thing... I *can* (and someone in the audience says "oh god... he
probably *will*, too... fuck...") pipe up and say that my part in that
thread has nothing to do with school... seeing as it's been three years
since I wrote my last exam.

I failed it..

maybe this is just my way of expressing my frustration at being
uneducated.  lashing out with the fury of someone who has damned
themselves to a blue collar lifestyle while still trying to maintain a
bead upon superstardom...

it was Henry Rollins who said something to the effect of "I realized I
was never gonna be successful unless I went out and kicked ass"... 
and if you've seen any of the old R.Kern movies he was in (when he was
skinny, had more hair and less tattoos) you'll probably come to the same
conclusion I did... brute force sometimes gets you through the tight
spots where finesse just isn't working.


-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
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In a message dated 98-05-08 21:44:27 EDT, you write:

> so why is it these hippie festivals can be called chicago hemp fest and
>  greater columbus cannabis campout (there's flyers for it all over the
>  sculpture studio) and there are no worries of it being busted,

well, i've never been/am not going to either, but i've been to the Hash Bash
in Ann Arbor, MI and the great majority of the actual smoking goes on before
you arrive to the festival.  everything else is just a celebration of the
music and culture surrounding the drug, and of course we have a right to do
this.  if the coppers see anything, then they'll do something (but,
surprisingly not much... just hand out fines) but they can't shut the whole
event down.

as for why there aren't Acid or Ecstasy fests... well... my take is that they
don't as rich a culture and movement behind them as cannibus does.  i think
most of the mainstream is still pretty unaware of what ecstasy really is, just
as they are clueless as to what a rave really stands for. 

i'm sure there're other good reasons too...

cheers
Blue

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In a message dated 98-05-09 04:59:07 EDT, you write:

> you people just don't know what up with the Chicago teamsters.
>  TRAXX is an ASSHOLE.  

and you are a troll... 



cheers
Blue

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if this is only the 2nd annual Chicago Hemp Fest... what the hell did my
friends drag me to a few years back.  One year it was something on capitol
hill(?) and the year after it was held in the soldiers field parking lot.
This must've just been something similar with a different name...weed fest
maybe or maybe it was just contact high.  Does anyone know what I'm
talking about?



-Peggy

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I'm in need of a MIDI sequencer package for a Mac LCIII.  This will be 
the computer I'll be using for sequencing until I can build a Win95 
computer so I'm merely looking for something to get me going and such.  
So if anyone has an older version of CU-Base or Cakewalk that you'd be 
willing to part with for cheap, or know of someone who has something like 
this, I'd be very inerested in talking to you.

This LCIII has 16Mb. of RAM and is running MacOS 7.5.  If necessary I 
could upgrade to 7.6 or 8.0 if this system could run it.

Thanks,

- Steven


Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
http://barkingcat.org		|	- William of Occam (c1285-1349)


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 10 00:13:15 1998
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In a message dated 5/9/98 4:41:50 PM Central Daylight Time, Blueslim9@aol.com
writes:

<< > you people just don't know what up with the Chicago teamsters. >>


Oh, so I guess you do know then...



Brett

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 10 00:23:22 1998
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WOOOOOOOO HA!!!! i am blushing hehehe 

No actually it wasnt me mixing it was my ummmm.......neighbor :) jk :)

Ya well anyways i DO hope my tape is as much fun as you say it is cuz u
know compliments make u cocky but they also make u wanna work harder to
get more compliments ;) at least it does fer me

Anyways no more sales pitch...those of u who wanted to get my tape had yer
chance ;P

Misha


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 10 01:01:30 1998
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>Thanks, ISDN is go, the void is go, simon is go, voice is go, stairs are
>go, sound will make your bowels loosen, everything is go, see all lucky
>people here tonight.
>

yeah all the LUCKY people :(((  if only chad had four wheels and a car to
put them on...if only chad lived closer to michigan...if only chad had a
liscense...
if only chad would stop referring to himself in the third person.

I guess i'm not one of the lucky ones :(

have fun all... you better

Chad

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got the tent out, dusted it off, and put it together. gonna be sleeping in
it til furthur. gettin psyched. WooWoo! <----see

see y'all there.

Gip


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it's 1:30 am.  just started listening.

and i can say, richie sounds good.

and THIS is $25 cheaper!

gotta love netcasting.  :)


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 10 06:45:48 1998
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hell yeah richie is tearin shit up...your right it's a lot cheaper than
payin $25  ;)

James


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i kept getting error msg's when i tried listening to the netcast...so i
only got to hear the last hour....
how dare he be so phat.
how dare he.

Chad

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you know...i'm not gay or even bi, but the stuff richie plays really gives
me no choice but to do him.
i'm sure it's the same way for everyone else...you all want to do him, you
know you do.

they should make a bridge across lake michigan so it's shorter to drive to
detroit from milwaukee, i mean really, they can build a tunnel under the
english channel. so what the fuck?
i should have walked.  

ohh god...it's this song.  aww man...the one he played last at kiss the
sky...ohh god ohh god ohh god.

who knows what this is?  the one he played after about 5 minutes of
straight cheering?

chad

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for those of u that were somewhat disturbed cos there was no orange
plastik fence at the party..in order to meet at...u can voice ur
disappointment to the plus8 crew..whoever was in charge of the decor..

i know....it kinda pissed me off...especially since i was expected to meet
someone from iowa at the party

not happy
P.


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I went to a rave!  It was rad!  It had a flyer!
WOO! WOO!  It was really glossy!  There was a pre-flyer too!
A DJ spun!  He was rad!  His set was housey then advanced
into progressive trance!  WEE!  WEE! :) ;) ;>  I had a smart
drink that provided me with all the proper nutrients!  E is
less bad for you then huffing ether!  I hate KEOKI!  Promoters
are sooooooooo greedy!  Glowsticks are neon!  The net meet was
rad!  Thanks for the hugs and blowpops Craig! {: (; {^: xoxoxo!!!

Does anyone know where I can get a set of 1200s?

PLUR,

Art Finkelstein
Brain Farm

p.s.  does anyone know where I can rent a $40 tent like they sell at
K-Mart?


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>who knows what this is?  the one he played after about 5 minutes of
>straight cheering?

plastikman's "spastik"


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At 11:20 AM 5/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I went to a rave!  It was rad!  It had a flyer!
>WOO! WOO!  It was really glossy!  There was a pre-flyer too!
>A DJ spun!  He was rad!  His set was housey then advanced
>into progressive trance!  WEE!  WEE! :) ;) ;>  I had a smart
>drink that provided me with all the proper nutrients!  E is
>less bad for you then huffing ether!  I hate KEOKI!  Promoters
>are sooooooooo greedy!  Glowsticks are neon!  The net meet was
>rad!  Thanks for the hugs and blowpops Craig! {: (; {^: xoxoxo!!!
>

sounds great!!

>Does anyone know where I can get a set of 1200s?
>

at a store!

>PLUR,
>
>Art Finkelstein
>Brain Farm
>
>p.s.  does anyone know where I can rent a $40 tent like they sell at
>K-Mart?
>

from me for $30 bucks a night.


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At 10:42 AM 5/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>who knows what this is?  the one he played after about 5 minutes of
>>straight cheering?
>
>plastikman's "spastik"

so does anyone really know what song it is?  the last song he played at
kiss the sky and the song he played at around 6 am at consumed?  everyone
was cheering without music for about 5 straight minutes.  

sounds nothing like spastik. a very melodic piece just makes you feel good
all over, kind of gets you caught up in the moment...perhaps that's why he
plays it last and let the music stop for awhile before he played it both
times?

hope someone knows it, because i want it.  i would listen to it.  alot.

Chad

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he played spastik?  I don't remember that.  Consumed was good. I feel
greasy.  3D sound system was neat, but I don't think Mr. Hawtin ever
really got the hang of it, just used it for tricks now and then. Did you
know that he was even controlling the main lights for the room while he
was spinning? There was a good 15-30 min where all, and i mean all, the
lights in the room were off and they filled the room with smoke: Yikes!

I think my friend brian described his set pretty well on the ride back: he
started off with bangin' techno, broke it down to its component parts,
then built it back up to minimal, broke that down to its component parts,
and built it back up to house.

props to all the people providing energy, all the people who didn't step
on my backpack, and everyone I met

  somewhere between tired and just plain stinky,

			toastman	



On Sun, 10 May 1998, dica! wrote:

> >who knows what this is?  the one he played after about 5 minutes of
> >straight cheering?
> 
> plastikman's "spastik"
> 
> 
> ::::::::::::: jon/dica ::::::::::: jabraun@students.wisc.edu ::::::::::::::
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> : "make some noise if you can even see us!" -- mc rumble at a foggy Zoiks :


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Its morning now.  I turned on the netcast intending to listen for a few
minutes
to see how richie sounded.  I ended up listening for almost 4 hours!!
It was
so beautiful.  It had to constantly convince myself not to jump in the
car and
drive there and beg them to let me in.  I wish it didn't take so long
for them
to run the sound through the soundboard.  I had to listen to the crowd
more
than anything for the first hour or so.  It sounded like when you're
outside of
a warehouse, waiting to get in, but with a crowd that screamed every so
often.
It made it all the more worthwhile when they fixed their sound though.
I want
to here reviews of the actual party now!  If you went, please post.
Also,
which plastikman or hawtin cd is the best that is still available.  I
really
want to get at least one.  I think Consumed (the album) is going to
rock.  Just
a feeling :)

jeff

dica! wrote:

> it's 1:30 am.  just started listening.
>
> and i can say, richie sounds good.
>
> and THIS is $25 cheaper!
>
> gotta love netcasting.  :)
>
> ::::::::::::: jon/dica ::::::::::: jabraun@students.wisc.edu
::::::::::::::
>
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

> : "make some noise if you can even see us!" -- mc rumble at a foggy
Zoiks :






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Anyone else seeing this phenomena?  At about 2 am, sombody with a
really loud voice goes "parties over, you got to go home!!"  and there
are no cops...anywhere...in sight??!  This really is pissing me off,
because I see no actual reason for the party being shut down in this
case.  I walk out onto the street and see that there are no cop cars
anywhere in sight.  And then the only thing left for me to acknoledge
is that it's being shut down because the "promoters" are doing the
shuting down.  They decide to send us home, basically.  In fact, this
happened just last night at perplexed, thrown by positive entity (i'm
not sure if they were in conjuction with others, as I didn't have a
flyer) And lemme tell you, with no cops in sight to bitch at anybody,
those lights and speakers were coming down pretty quick. This is by
far not the first time it's happned, either.  


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yes i have seen this. most of the time it is due to the promoters having
permits that expire at certian times. 

AC



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Whateva....

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He's okay...if you're into that sorta thang.

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On Sun, 10 May 1998 roman511@netusa1.net wrote:

> got the tent out, dusted it off, and put it together. gonna be sleeping in
> it til furthur. gettin psyched. WooWoo! <----see

I suppose we'll be able to find you by the stench of your well-lived in
tent? :P

peace, hugs,
andrew

[DRC *ROCKS* my world. =) ]


> see y'all there.
> 
> Gip
> 
> 


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i arrived in Lincoln with DJ Lee, Dave Price and the wonderful Raina
around 7:00 where we proceeded directly to Hanger 18 for the first
meeting of the "midwest rave network" or whatever you wanna call it. 
Well, since we're all ravers the meeting got started a wee bit late, but
it was all good.  Several promoters, DJs and ravers were there from
Omaha, K.C., Lincoln, Des Moines and St. Louis.  (notables include Robin,
Dave, Nitro, N.9, Pharaoh and promoters from prolly half a dozen or so
crews).  Despite our attempts to turn this into a Jerry Springer episode,
Nitro helped keep the peace and we did get some good discussion in.  The
general concensus was that us in this neck of the midwest (which Dave is
pushing to call the Heartland) needed a way for us to keep in
communication with each other.  N.9 offered his web expertise in creating
a page and message forum for us.  The main complaint seemed to be that
there was no communication amongst any of us promoters.  This has a lot
of potential I think.  But if anything good came of it, and yes there was
some good things, it is that promoters from different cities got to talk
face to face and directly adress all the second-hand shit talking that
was going on.  I came away last nite with at least a dozen promoters
names and numbers.  We all wanna make the scene phat, and it's pretty
much agreed that the only way we're gonna do it is if we promote and work
with each other and keep the communication lines open.  We'll see what
happens...  

NE-wayz... on to the party...

Venue:
Wow... this place was nuts... in the middle of nowhere... plenty of
parking... easy to get in and out of... appeared to be some sort of large
exhibition hall located outside of Crete NE.  Gave the party that great
warehouse feel.... and clean cement floor..  big plus in my book.  t;) 
Also... the infamous Ice Cream truck was there... right inside the
building.. crazy...  rang the bell every so often.. cool.   I didn't see
the 300 pounds of candy i had heard about, but that may have just been
due to late arrival.  There was a chill room set up, but i never made it
back there.   Oh... clean bathrooms too.. also cool.

Sound:
The sound was nice, but lacking on the power side.  There was too much
space between the main stacks which left for some dead air in front of
the stage.  The story going around was that around 11:00 there was a
noise complaint and they had to turn it  down, but regardless, I don't
believe the sound to be the 40,000 watts they advertised.  Otherwise,
crystal clear.

Lights:
4 cyberlights hung from the rafters helped to flood the floor.  High...
outta the eyes... and programmed very nicely.  4 other lights (2 at each
end of the stage, 2 in the top 2 back corners of the dance floor) were
aimed to meet at a focal point in the middle of the room.  Not a huge
light show, but VERY well done.   Complimented the vibe perfectly.  This
was billed as a larger party, but the promoters managed to keep an
underground feel to it.

DJs:
OK.... I am still in recovery from this... When i arrived DRC was behind
the decks and stayed there till just b4 2.   GOOD GOD!!!!   This girl is
the shit!!!!   Had me sweatin in no time!  Dancin' my ass off.  Her
programing is flawless.  She knows every second of her music.  Crowd was
vibin' hard.  Hands in the air... ppl screaming... asses movin'... 
reminded me why i fell in love with the scene.  I am not a big fan of DJs
who mix genres, because most of tham can not do it well, but DRC's flow
from house to acid house to hard trance to jungle was flawless.  I bow
down to this girl... fuck that woman... fuck that goddess.

Madkid...  eh.... he was alright i spose but I really believe if yer
gonna put jungle on at 2 AM the DJ just needs to be the shit.  His mixing
was fine, but his music was nuthin special and he didn't have a really
huge bag of tricks.  The crowd did call for a couple of rewinds which he
gave up.  I dunno... i thought the party lost some of it's vibes, but it
may have been a result of everyone trying to recover from DRC.

T-1000... he played mad phat Detroit Techno... duh!   Music was hard... 
lights were going nuts at this point... crowd is in ecstasy.  it just
reeks of rave.  Technically, I have seen better, but this guy really knew
how to get a party moving.  Oh... and as a bonus point...  he hit on
Raina... what a stud... t;)

i had to leave after this, so I didn't get to see Sleepy C or Nitro... 
overall... phat party.  I'm excited to see what these guys do next.
  
-pm-

DJ .com

this DJ... he gets down... mixing rekkids while they go round...

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More likely, the space owners showed up, didn't like the look of it, and
kicked everyone out.  Seems like "positive" entity is on a roll with
their 2am shutdowns.  Anyone remember Higher '98?  I'm glad I decided on
doughnuts and nintendo 64 this Saturday, rather than some busted party.

	-Chris Wundram 

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> From: 	Lisa Soupchik[SMTP:sidreus@yahoo.com]
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> 
> Anyone else seeing this phenomena?  At about 2 am, sombody with a
> really loud voice goes "parties over, you got to go home!!"  and there
> are no cops...anywhere...in sight??!  This really is pissing me off,
> because I see no actual reason for the party being shut down in this
> case.  I walk out onto the street and see that there are no cop cars
> anywhere in sight.  And then the only thing left for me to acknoledge
> is that it's being shut down because the "promoters" are doing the
> shuting down.  They decide to send us home, basically.  In fact, this
> happened just last night at perplexed, thrown by positive entity (i'm
> not sure if they were in conjuction with others, as I didn't have a
> flyer) And lemme tell you, with no cops in sight to bitch at anybody,
> those lights and speakers were coming down pretty quick. This is by
> far not the first time it's happned, either.  
> 
> 
>                                      -Sidreus   
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        This was my first road trip to go to a party, and boy was it worth 
     it.  Overall, the night was awesome, but there were some bummer 
     moments.  Like getting there at 11:15 and Plus 8 not latting people in 
     until 12:45.  Plus, there was no danceable music until like 2.  Enough 
     bitching though, here's the lowdown for those who weren't there.
     
     
     The space-  Awesome, three levels of creativity.  The first floor was 
     the main floor where Richie was all night.  It was so dark and smoky 
     in there that you couldn't see more than like two feet in front of 
     you.  There were minimal lights, but it was very effective at making 
     you feel like you were totally unattached to anything.  It got 
     extremely hot in here very fast.  The second floor was too tripped 
     out.  It is so hard to explain what was set up here, maybe some one 
     else can do it better than me.  Lights would flash randomly to little 
     blips and bleeps.  they were set up all over the room, it was like 
     sound without music.  There were other rooms set up on this floor as 
     well, all of them equally as weird.  Over all this floor was nothing 
     but people doing drugs and passing out.  Very crazy stuff.  The top 
     floor was were I was most of the night ( more on this in a minute).  
     It was like a three tiered baquet hall.  Stage on one end, balcony on 
     the other with computers for people to play with.  There were more 
     lights up here and this is where Theorem and Richie's brother played.  
     It was cooler here than anywhere else, and there were plenty of places 
     to sit.
     
     The sound-  Incredible!!!!!  The 3d sound system downstairs was 
     awesome.  A block of speakers in each corner with the sound shifting 
     and moving throughout the room, all of it controlled by Ritchie.  It 
     sounded fucvking incredible and was the coolest thing I've seen at a 
     party in a long time.  The sound upstairs was equally as good, though 
     more of your standard fare setup.
     
     The music-  I have read about people saying how Ritchie is God and 
     other equally insane stuff.  After Saturday, I never want to dance to 
     another DJ again, he is God!  Unbelieveable all night!  Words can't 
     describe, as I sit here trying to express how cool it was, I'm shaking 
     and have goose bumps all over.  Shudder!!!
     
     The people-  Was this a normal crowd for a Detroit party?  I know it 
     was 18 and over, but the crowd seemed alot more different from the 
     typical Chicago scene.  Maybe it was because they were serving 
     alcohol, but it seemed that a lot of people were really rude.  I got 
     bumped into repeatedly, and not once did someone say sorry or excuse 
     me.  I couldn't believe it.  I did meet some cool people, But couldn't 
     find that damn orange fence, so didn't get to meet anyone from the 
     list.  Oh well, I'll just have to wait for Further.  The biggest 
     problem was lack of room in the room were Ritchie was.  There was no 
     room to dance until like 4:30.  Every time I would get enough room 
     going to dance, someone with a beer would come and stand right where I 
     was dancing!  Eventually I got too frustrated and went upstairs to 
     listen to Theorem (which was really cool fro most of the set).  I 
     wasn't too upset about Richie(Further approaching and all).
     
     Over all it was a blast, definitely worth the drive.  Plus 8 went all 
     out with this party, the decorations were awesome.  It was incredible 
     fresh, and extremely inspirational.
     
     
     
     E
     
     
     P.S.- Did it get busted? There were a lot of cops there when we left 
     at around 5.
     
     
     
     

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On Mon, 11 May 1998,  Eric_Magrini_ wrote:
>     
>     
>     P.S.- Did it get busted? There were a lot of cops there when we 
>left at around 5.
>     

    Nope. They were just there to check things out and especially to 
make sure no alcohol was being served after hours. I actually got into a 
brief conversation with one while refilling my water bottle, and was 
surprised to discover that he wasn't an asshole. I didn't leave until 
6:30, and it was still going strong, whith the main room packed and 
upstairs at least half full.
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On Mon, 11 May 1998 Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:

>      P.S.- Did it get busted? There were a lot of cops there when we left 
>      at around 5.


heh.  nope.  cops did a few walkthroughs; it was a legal venue and all.
not sure what time it shut down, prolly a little after 6?

on a side note, I didn't see any other floors besides the one Richie was
spinning on.  didn't really want to, either: too much effort.

the crowd was definitely _not_ all phat paknts-wearing candy ravers.
Scorn me if you will, but i kind of liked the fact that the crowd looked,
felt, and acted diverse.  only thing missing was a pack of drag queens...

				
				toastman


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        I'm all for diversity, but not when it involves drunken jock types 
     stepping on my feet when I'm trying to dance.  Too bad you didn't see 
     the other rooms, they were pretty neat.  I still believe that alcohol 
     shouldn't be at parties, I like drinking and all, but it draws the 
     wrong type of people.  Flame at will.
     
     E


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On Mon, 11 May 1998 Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:
     
>      P.S.- Did it get busted? There were a lot of cops there when we left 
>      at around 5.
     
     
heh.  nope.  cops did a few walkthroughs; it was a legal venue and all. 
not sure what time it shut down, prolly a little after 6?
     
on a side note, I didn't see any other floors besides the one Richie was 
spinning on.  didn't really want to, either: too much effort.
     
the crowd was definitely _not_ all phat paknts-wearing candy ravers. 
Scorn me if you will, but i kind of liked the fact that the crowd looked, 
felt, and acted diverse.  only thing missing was a pack of drag queens...
     
     
                                toastman
     
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On Mon, 11 May 1998 Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:

>         I'm all for diversity, but not when it involves drunken jock types 
>      stepping on my feet when I'm trying to dance.  Too bad you didn't see 
>      the other rooms, they were pretty neat.  I still believe that alcohol 
>      shouldn't be at parties, I like drinking and all, but it draws the 
>      wrong type of people.  Flame at will.

Funny, they seemed more like the "art gallery type" than the "drunken jock
type" to me, if I were to stereotype them.  Nonetheless, I seriously doubt
anyone went to a $25 Richie Hawtin party in a Masonic Temple in Pontiac,
Michigan because they had beer.  It seemed almost all the people there
were there for the music.  Not all of them were there to dance, but
listen yes.


				toastman


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On Sun, 10 May 1998, PHILFART wrote:

> He's okay...if you're into that sorta thang.
> 
hmmmm....i would say that tekno is normally *not* my sort of thing.....but
last night i was able to shed my junglistic tendancies and engage in, as
tetsuji miwa put it, some _serious boogie down_.

daaaaayum!

lemme start by saying 25 bonez for this event was nuthin to sniff at. ppl
pay 30-40 for a rock koncert that lasts mebbe two hours. richie kikked
arse for sumthin like six, and lets not forget the beautiful installations
that were the rest of the building. you could tell much time and energy
and thought were put into making this a conceptual, consuming event. if
you missed the top two floors....wow. nuthin like i've ever seen.

i had a dream the morning before the party about it, dreamed of the three
different arenas, not exactly as they were, but kinda. also in it i
dreamed i fell asleep right as richie got on and woke as he was ending.
prophecy? lets just say from the moment he got on i was entranced.
riveted. hypnotized. consumed. could not stop moving, even when i wanted
to. cept when the obnoxious security in white space suits came through
with their vybe.smashing flashlights. alas, if thats my only complaint, so
be it. yes it was crowded. so what? be creative with your space. i dont
blame so many ppl for wanting to come out for this one, glad i could be
there. i thought it was really neat that richie waited to start playing
till everyone was in, was  on the phone and everything. bought a ticket
from richies mom! all in all, a very well done event.

as for the orange fence....ach, shit happens. i could see where orange
would've crushed the aesthetics they had goin in that room anyhoo. saw a
few net peepz: doris and xotis (in line, not inside), kurt and dbn crew,
paul--i missed ya! oh well. had the corner, had the groove. im happy. :)

uh huh.

=jes

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On Sat, 9 May 1998, Peggy Hroma wrote:

> if this is only the 2nd annual Chicago Hemp Fest... what the hell did my
> friends drag me to a few years back.  One year it was something on capitol
> hill(?) and the year after it was held in the soldiers field parking lot.
> This must've just been something similar with a different name...weed fest
> maybe or maybe it was just contact high.  Does anyone know what I'm
> talking about?

yes. you weren't just high, it was called weed.fest, back in tha day. it
was at cricket hill, right by grant park, organized by the same peeps that
did love.fest and free.fest and all those cute l'il summertime shindigz i
remember so fondly *sigh* i actually paid five bux to go to the first
hempfest a couple years ago, thinking it would be like weed.fest, even tho
you had to pay and it was at soldier field. wrong! i will not make that
mistake again. politics, schmolitics. i know consummerism when i smell it,
and it don't smell dank. weed.fest was a civil disobedience, a peaceful
(somewhat) gathering, a day to celebrate. hemp.fest may speak of
legalization, and is good in that it gets the issue out into public eye,
but i disagree with how they're going about it. but that's liberal agenda
for you.

=jes


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Hey, I saw a convo about spastik..is that the plastikman song with the 
really long and fast snare roll and the volume levels are increased and 
decreased, or is it something else.

I heard a song by hyperactive that sounded very, very close to the 303 
line in one of Richie's songs, does anyone know what i'm talking about?

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	I don't think the problem is so much that Alcohol attracts the
wrong people, beer is available everywhere.  The only place where
Alcohol can attract anyone is on a college campus, where kids go to frat
parties cause they can get beer without being carded.  I'll bet LSD and
E have attracted a lot more of the wrong sort of people than beer ever
has.

	But when a party is thrown at a bar/club, the bar/club regulars
will often show up, and they could be considered the "wrong" sort of
people.  Plus alcohol tends to turn the "right" sort of people, into too
tipsy to dance, hit on everything that moves, pissing a lot sort of
people.

	-Chris Wundram

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>         I'm all for diversity, but not when it involves drunken jock
> types 
>      stepping on my feet when I'm trying to dance.  Too bad you didn't
> see 
>      the other rooms, they were pretty neat.  I still believe that
> alcohol 
>      shouldn't be at parties, I like drinking and all, but it draws
> the 
>      wrong type of people.  Flame at will.
>      
>      E
> 
> 

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In a message dated 98-05-11 08:50:53 EDT, c-wundram@taltrade.com writes:

<<  Anyone remember Higher '98?   >>


Yeah I sure do, what a disappointment!  Cool space, decent sound, and all of a
sudden the pigs rush in.  Anyone else go to this?

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I like beer.  I like to drink in mild quanities at parties.
advertising that beer 
 will be available at a party is like advertising that glass will be
available.....hmmmm.....thats in idea.  lets no longer tell kids who is
spinning...but on the flier we should just list the arsenal oif drugs
available...I know I have suggested this to several of you out there
before.

I think its a great idea.


-danXanthous


Remember the Magic may 22nd.




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        This is the point that I was trying to make.  I didn't mean to 
     imply that people only came to drink.  It seems to me that  when 
     alcohol is involved, a different sort of vibe is created than with 
     other substances.  People on other things seem to want to dance more, 
     or stay out of the way towards the sides.  Again this is only a 
     generalization and my opinion.  I would rather see a bunch of 
     tweakers, than drunks.  Or better yet, I would rather see neither.
     
     
     E


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        I don't think the problem is so much that Alcohol attracts the
wrong people, beer is available everywhere.  The only place where 
Alcohol can attract anyone is on a college campus, where kids go to frat 
parties cause they can get beer without being carded.  I'll bet LSD and 
E have attracted a lot more of the wrong sort of people than beer ever 
has.
     
        But when a party is thrown at a bar/club, the bar/club regulars
will often show up, and they could be considered the "wrong" sort of 
people.  Plus alcohol tends to turn the "right" sort of people, into too 
tipsy to dance, hit on everything that moves, pissing a lot sort of 
people.
     
        -Chris Wundram
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 18:23:40 1998
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> 
> for those of u that were somewhat disturbed cos there was no orange
> plastik fence at the party..in order to meet at...u can voice ur
> disappointment to the plus8 crew..whoever was in charge of the decor..
> 

It doesn't matter about the reasons, all that matters is there wasn't
orange fencing, and for that, our apologies.

Tosh

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arrrgh!

after two weeks of planning, circumstances beyond my control caused me
to stay home and not go to detroit as i had planned.  i really wish i
had, cuz everyone i have talked to said it was the bomb.  so, anyone i
had told previously that i would be there i apologize.  my new haircut
looks good, though!

peace
chris



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        Ooops, I forgot to mention in my review that I was the one passing 
     out little bouncy balls for people to play with at Consumed.  Did 
     anyone on the list get one?  I hope no one stepped on a stray one, my 
     friends and I didn't think of this risk until they had been passed 
     out.
     
     
     E                   

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I didn't make it,
but did they have any hardcore DJs?

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On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, DJ dotcom wrote:

> i arrived in Lincoln with DJ Lee, Dave Price and the wonderful Raina
> around 7:00 where we proceeded directly to Hanger 18 for the first
> meeting of the "midwest rave network" or whatever you wanna call it. 
> Well, since we're all ravers the meeting got started a wee bit late, but
> it was all good.  Several promoters, DJs and ravers were there from
> Omaha, K.C., Lincoln, Des Moines and St. Louis.  (notables include Robin,
> Dave, Nitro, N.9, Pharaoh and promoters from prolly half a dozen or so
> crews).  Despite our attempts to turn this into a Jerry Springer episode,
> Nitro helped keep the peace and we did get some good discussion in.  The
> general concensus was that us in this neck of the midwest (which Dave is
> pushing to call the Heartland) needed a way for us to keep in

if it *ever* gets called the heartland, i'm a gonna smack somebody. i'm
not kidding. heartland is the dumbest fucking word in the world and sounds
like something out of a bob seger song to boot.

didya notice all the people that left when people started getting really
stupid? i'm all for dealing with problems in the open, but... 

and there was the completely looney chick there. i mean completely off her
rocker. numerology, huh? what? i don't see people that obviously insane
very much. jesus f. christ.

not a bad deal altogether. because now i know what all of you
omaha/lincoln people look like. haha! 

my thoughts on the party. . . 

good venue. i would like to go back to it sometime, and see the other room
or even other buildings used. i think they broke close to even, so...
really a bomb lineup for $13 at the door. *i* would have easily paid $15,
and if that could potentially save someone's promoting ass, i think they
should do it. $12 presale, $15 at the door. especially in our area where
there are no guarentees of how many people might show. 

lighting was really good, maybe a bit *too* bvright at times, but all in
all, great job. sound was crystal, but a bit on the soft side i thought.

diverse crowd. many types of people, not all of them ravers. good to see,
i thought.

DRC rocked. really. i almost wore out during her set. crazy ass screaming
crowd had her smiling and laughing and blowing us away. teasing and
teasing and boom and well you get the idea. such a kickass set. woowoo!

i missed most of madkid's set. this was part one of andrew's naps. crazy i
know, but for whatever reason i got really tired and my eyes got heavy so
i just kinda sat against a wall and rested my eyes until some security guy
tapped my shoulder and asked if i was okay. which was cool i thought, even
if he did mess up the really cool dream i was having. =)

t1000 completely messed up my head and basically left me dazed. completely
sick. sometime during his set my legs got really tired and i had to go sit
and occasionally talk to people. 

at this point, i napped again and missed sleepyC. this time, i found a
couch-type-thingy and laid down on it. 

or at least until nitro woke me up. dammit. :p  ooooooooooooohhhhhhh god
how can anyone NOT dance when this guy is spinning i don't know.
completely used up everything i had left dancing to his set, went back
outside, laid down in the PLUSH rental minivan [robin the soccer mom] and
slept HARD for 4 hours. ;) 

thanks to everyone i met, danced with, or rode up with. had a great time.
i only wish i hand't been so damn tired the whole time. strange. must
remember to not get so fuked the nite before partying. oh yeah, i should
probably actualyl EAT sometime that day as well. i guess i just gave it to
myself up the ass on this one. 

peace, hugs,
andrew


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 20:03:38 1998
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ok, this is probably gonna get pretty long, but deal.

1) being as i couldn't make it to lincoln sat. (h everyone who went,
kiss my arse ;) ), i went to a "rave" here in wichita (ha! i wasn't
involved, so therefor it sucked) that mike e. euphoria threw.  now,
apparently i didn't do a good enough job of spreading the word that this
man (f you can call him that) is inherently evil, because he somehow
suckered this guy from North Dakota into helping him.  So apparently
htis guy lost anywhere between 1000-4500 bucks, but mike lied his ass
off the whole time, and totally fucked this guy over.  on the plus side,
Reed from Boulder did an *amazing* live pa, and i mean *PHENOMINAL*!
hard hard hard tweeked out trance, i could NOT believe i was in wichita
hearing this, and it was live, not on my stereo.  plus i met about 12
kids from colorado and north dakota who absolutely rocked! it was sooper
dope, and i love you all!! (ps: support down to earth in n.d. they
deserve it. DO NOT SUPPORT MIKE E EUPHORIA, SKN DEEP PRODUCTIONS, OR THE
DEEP SOUND SYSTEM!!!! I MEAN IT! i don't give a flying fuck if this gets
back to mike, being as every single dj here in wichita, all 20+ of us,
refuse, absolutely refuse to work or be associated or even stand next to
him on the street now)

2) if this can somehow get to DRC, it would be most appreciated.  i dont
care if it's word of mouth, printed out, whatever.  mike euphoria was
trying to tell me he'll find out this week if he's gonna be DRC's new
manager.  if he indeed has even the slightest chance at doing this, i
would STRONGLY recommend against it.  he's gonna fuck it all up, end up
stealing money, and just being hated by more people.  this guy is
seriously not good for our scene, the wichita cops now think all raves
involve kegs & fights.

there was a fight in the parking lot.   A FIGHT.  and i mean A BRAWL!
it was insane, dudes with iron 2 foot long pipes and shit.  so much for
plur. all 15 of us there who knew what PLUR even meant were all damn
near tears.  so mike has not only managed to have people literally all
over the country hate him, he also single-handedly completely ruined the
chance for wichita to ever have even one successful party. the cops i
talked to said if they even heard the word rave in any event in wichita,
it would be shut down before it even started.

normally im not so bitter, but for it to have gone this far, i feel
deserve to be able to warn people about mike.

MOON PRISM POWER!
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     It seems that you knew about this character before the party.  Why in 
     the world did you go and support him?  We vote with our money/support. 
      
     
     -Giles


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deserve it. DO NOT SUPPORT MIKE E EUPHORIA, SKN DEEP PRODUCTIONS, OR THE 
DEEP SOUND SYSTEM!!!! I MEAN IT! i don't give a flying fuck if this gets 
back to mike, being as every single dj here in wichita, all 20+ of us, 
refuse, absolutely refuse to work or be associated or even stand next to 
him on the street now)
     

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>if it *ever* gets called the heartland, i'm a gonna smack somebody. i'm
>not kidding. heartland is the dumbest fucking word in the world and sounds
>like something out of a bob seger song to boot.

Well... at least its better than "the bible belt". I'm sure we can come up with
some derivative of heartland with an additional rave connotation.

>and there was the completely looney chick there. i mean completely off her
>rocker. numerology, huh? what? i don't see people that obviously insane
>very much. jesus f. christ.

Its all about virtual reality maaaan... hmm I really hope that girl was on
some mind altering chemical which caused her to be so flakey. Anyway
I thought the meeting went well once Nitro helped reorganize the group.


>DRC rocked. really. i almost wore out during her set. crazy ass screaming
>crowd had her smiling and laughing and blowing us away. teasing and
>teasing and boom and well you get the idea. such a kickass set. woowoo!

Yup.. the area needs more trance talent to show off their stuff. I hope to
see DJ Hardware, Kim Nyx, Dan Efex (which should be in Omaha sometime
soon I think), and a live act from Drew Young sometime in NE, KS, or MO
soon.

>or at least until nitro woke me up. dammit. :p  ooooooooooooohhhhhhh god
>how can anyone NOT dance when this guy is spinning i don't know.
>completely used up everything i had left dancing to his set, went back
>outside, laid down in the PLUSH rental minivan [robin the soccer mom] and
>slept HARD for 4 hours. ;)

Kathy and I found our car and ended up taking a 2 hour nap unintentionally.
ARGH! When we woke up we figured we had better be "responsible" and drive
back then so we wouldn't risk death on the highway (as we were both worn
out) Totally missed T-1000 and Nitro's set.... damn!  Kinda felt like the
feeling
one would get if you were to sleep through and miss a finals test in college.





Adam Mertz

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>communication with each other.  N.9 offered his web expertise in creating
>a page and message forum for us.  The main complaint seemed to be that
>there was no communication amongst any of us promoters.  This has a lot
>of potential I think.  But if anything good came of it, and yes there was
>some good things, it is that promoters from different cities got to talk
>face to face and directly adress all the second-hand shit talking that
>was going on.  I came away last nite with at least a dozen promoters
>names and numbers.  We all wanna make the scene phat, and it's pretty
>much agreed that the only way we're gonna do it is if we promote and work
>with each other and keep the communication lines open.  We'll see what
>happens...

I hope to have a working demo of a website for registering "heartland"
djs and promoters sometime before August (At the latest). If anyone
has any suggestions, ideas, input, whatever then please email me.



Adam Mertz

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 11 20:43:38 1998
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it's been two years since i've made
the pilgrimage to the land of techno
and giant tires.  it's monday afternoon,
and i'm still in shock from such a 
badass party.  full-on experience.

richie never disappoints, so i knew we
were in for some serious plastikaction.  
the space (masonic temple) was 
incredible... i'm sure you've heard all
about it... i couldn't leave richie's chamber
anyway... as i was fully attached to the 
lovely quad o' kickin bass in the upper
left.   beyond words.   i don't even need
to describe richie's set to ya..........

cause he  FUKKING_ROKKED.

highlight of the night had to be mr. kurt
eckes hisself.... how many times can 
you say you got to get down with kurt??
that's right.... dancing and all that jazz.

now that's a party.

<mark_lancaster>
midwest prairie nomad

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    "that was one serious boogie-down"
		- tetsuji miwa



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Here is the semi-confirmed lineup for our sound system, trust:furthur...
Please e-mail me if you want a slot or if you want any additional info on
your billing. I am planning on 40 slots, of which 20 are filled, already. =)

_________________________________


Ambient, Kid (Dave)
Diabetic, Funky [Appleton]
dicA [Madison]
Efex, Dan [Chicago]
E, Chris [Madison]
E23 [Boulder]
element [immersiveArts, Boulder]
Fiz [Urbana]
Hion [Chicago]
invisible, DJ
J, Steven [Barking Cat, Milwaukee]
Jawsh!
Josh  (303)
matter [Boulder]
Miller, Ryan [Urbana]
Neil, Eric [Chicago]
Nommo, DJ [Denver]
Orpheus (matter live) [Boulder]
Spree, DJ
tilzs (Ryan)

_________________________________

Peace out,
 m

Some places where you may find me...
	vrave (hyperreal.org:7283)
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Traxx although is only ONE member of the teamsters, and if I'm not
mistaken ONE out of SEVEN. I could be wrong though... So maybe you
should address your problem with this tour directly to Traxx instead of
the entire "Teamsters" crew.

Peace,
Christy


On Sat, 9 May 1998, ZXTZXTZXT wrote:

> you people just don't know what up with the Chicago teamsters.
> TRAXX is an ASSHOLE.  He's constantly picking fights with other DJs and with
> EVERY Chicago Promoter.  I see now why he has so many teeth missing.
> 
> Justin Long goes off beet quite often, and his ego is HUGE!!! He's a dork.
> 
> Halo is straight.
> 


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PHUNGUS presents:
another installment of all night drum and bass MAYhem.

AMAZON 06
May 22.1998
International Ballroom. Atlanta, GA.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Featured turntable talent:

DOC SCOTT & MC JUSTIYC
[Metalheadz I 31 Records, UK]

DJ LEE
[Timeless I Metalheadz, UK]

Metalheadz main man,DJ/ producer extraordinaire. Doc Scott is widely
respected as a man of many talents. He's responsible for pioneering tracks
such as "Here Come The Drumz" and "Shadowboxing" (under his guise 'Nasty
Habits') and continues to be on the forefront of drum and bass today.
For this first Atlanta date, he's pairing up with MC Justiyc and fellow
Metalheadz camp member DJ Lee to recreate the vibe of the famous Blue Note
Sunday sessions.

Stellar supporting cast>>

DANIEL
[Hypersonic, Greensboro]

MK2
[M.A.D.Base, Nashville]

BOBBLE
[20 Hz Cartel, Rewind Records, Atlanta]

BIRDMAN
[Satellite Records, Xylophone Jones, Rydim Ryderz, Atlanta]

duda
[Playtheavy Kru, 20 Hz Cartel, Phungus, Athens]

D:RC
[Phungus, Playtheavy Kru, Athens]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$15 before midnight I $20 after
All ages I bring your ID
Doors open @ 10pm.

Directions>>
International Ballroom Atlanta
Take I-85, I-75, to I-285, to Buford Highway
(exit 25) turn north, I'Ball is 1.5 miles on the left @
corner of New Peachtree and Buford Highway.

Info line>>
706.546.9447

Promoters I VIP's etc>>.Guest list requests must be submitted by May 16th.
There will be no exceptions.


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Full Circle presents:
Aquavelvet
Detroit
5.16.98

with:
Nigel Richards
Dieselboy
Huggie
Traxx
Trevor Lamont
Acetate
Wax Taxin' Dre and Disco D
Recoil
Chris Rockwell
Mike Brickner
Dru
007

(all djs 100% confirmed, none flying Northwest except Trevor Lamont, who
hopefully will still make it)

2 room event, capacity 1000 people (get there early to ensure entrance, we
will probably reach capacity early)

10 pm - 6 am

313.438.2719

Cheap water, free candy, ice and snacks

Lights by Abstrakt, sound by Burst

Paid secured parking lot available, as well as free street parking

Presale tickets $15 at GroovyTrain in Berkely (now through Friday May
15th) and Dubplate Pressure at 229 E. Liberty in Ann Arbor (only open
Friday May 15th 3pm - midnight) and In the Mixx - Toledo (tommorow night
through Friday May 15th).  

Afterhours (6 am- noon at least) : Eros at 20 Chatham street in Windsor,
they'll be charging few bucks, we'll provide the djs:  Eclipse 6-7 or so
doing techno, 8en doing jungle, Traxx said he'd be doing another lighter
house set, plus several more djs from the party and whatever Detroit djs
show up.  It will be very chill (Eros is an afterhours club that is
basically a big cement dance floor surounded by soft chairs and couches,
for those that haven't been there, it is perfect for an afterparty).  Of
course, be careful crossing the border - don't bring anything illegal to
the party either, including weapons, markers, alcohol, or drugs.  You can
bring in sealed water bottles though.

Also if you are driving from someplace like Chicago, cleveland or Toronto,
show you're i.d. and get in for $15 at the door.

that's it, see you there!


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i didn't make it to detroit this weekend for consumed, but have been hearing
an awful lot about the party and about the installations set up in other
areas of the building.  i haven't heard or seen anything like that at
parties in the u.s. but there were some crazy, incredible installations at a
club i went to sometimes when i briefly lived in italy a couple of years
ago...

it was a techno club on the outskirts of florence in a big house in the
woods, no advertising or anything so it didn't draw the usual crowds of
scary tourists etc. that clubs in the city did.  anyway, the party went on
every weekend, starting about 2 am saturday night, lasting well into
morning....  there was an outdoor patio area for dancing that was lit up
with some colored lights, but was mostly dark and surrounded by trees.  and
inside there was a main area on the first floor, but the upstairs rooms was
where it started getting crazy... there was one painted all red with tv
monitors in each corner, all showing nothing but static.  and another was
blue with oil lights projected on the ceiling and cushions everywhere.. 
mostly people danced outside and on the first floor and the other rooms wer
full of people chilling out and smoking hash, but you could hear the music
everywhere, and even driving up to the house (on the back of a moped) in the
woods you could see it and feel it coming, with all these colored lights
from the windows.

it's exciting to hear that that sort of thing was happening @ consumed.  i
know i'd love to see more of it. ;)

laura

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>> you people just don't know what up with the Chicago teamsters.
>> TRAXX is an ASSHOLE.  He's constantly picking fights with other DJs and with
>> EVERY Chicago Promoter.  I see now why he has so many teeth missing.
>>
>> Justin Long goes off beet quite often, and his ego is HUGE!!! He's a dork.
>>
>> Halo is straight.


>Traxx although is only ONE member of the teamsters, and if I'm not
>mistaken ONE out of SEVEN. I could be wrong though... So maybe you
>should address your problem with this tour directly to Traxx instead of
>the entire "Teamsters" crew.
>
>Peace,
>Christy
>
>
>On Sat, 9 May 1998, ZXTZXTZXT wrote:
>

I agree with this and I was just getting ready to post the same type of thing.

There are seven members of the group......................
Traxx, Justin Long, Halo, B:pm, Samm-E, J. Goodwill, and myself.

The majority have reps as some the nicest and most approachable D.J.'s out
there.  There is no need to slander all because you have a problem with
certain ones.  You should really direct you angers at the ones your angry
at.  It's more constuctive.

PS - Some of us rarely play Chicago so you can't say we are always there.
Goodwill and Samm-E has played there once this year and I have played there
twice this year.  The others play there alot more because they live there,
they are Chicago local D.J.'s.

This is the last time I will post publically on this matter.  Any other
post will be private.  Sorry for this waste of bandwith.  :)


 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters
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greetings mw.raves,

i just wanna take a moment and let you all know about the new
zine/internet.experience im putting together, with the help of a couple
(or few, i should say) fine ppl around the midwest, country, and world.

its called [art.is.dead], or [aid] for short.  in its entirety its a
pretty crazy deep brainstorm ive had for quite sometime, that has come to
various levels of fruition through other various zines, parties, and
such.  this, however, is the first all out version of what ive been
trying to get at for quite some time.  ive been attempting this, on
different levels, longer than ive been raving, actually.  however, you
will undoubtedly notice when you recieve a copy or visit the website that
its taken a decidedly rave/electronic.musik angle to it since ive been
doing this rave thing for about 3.5 years now...

anyhow, [aid] goes a little something like this.  it is, in its purest
and most effective form, something to be experienced via the internet. 
that is, through netscape or some such web browser and e.mail.  the birth
of this was done on the internet, and ive made the various contacts and
connections to get where i am now with [aid] strictly via the internet. 
ive done -very- little to tell ppl of [aid] outside of the computer
(e.mail, e.mail lists, chat rooms, and such), let alone to acquire stuff
for it.  it is, however, still in the last stages of its infancy.  but,
none the less, is up on the internet for you all to see.

there will also, be a printed form of [aid] to accompany the internet
version, and is intended ideally as the medium for those without internet
access to experience [aid] with, and nothing more.

[art.is.dead] is split into three separate categories of specialty.  and
they are as follows:

[sight]>>visual.arts>that.which.you.see

its pretty simple really.  if its an artistic endeavor that one must
-see- to experience, this is where you would find it in the [art.is.dead]
experience.  it can range from graffiti to computer generated art to
scuplture to fashion design to pottery to photography to painting and
anywhrere in between.

[sound]>>musik>that.which.you.hear

again, its pretty simple.  in a nutshell - musik.  nothing more, nothing
less.  however, as we all should be well aware of, musik itself is a
pretty broad subject.  so, [sound] will be dealing with reccord reviews,
artist interviews, gear talk, scene reports, party reviews, production
talk, and so on.

[said!]>>the.written.word>that.which.you.speak

yes, once again, it is pretty simple.  the written word.  poetry.  short
stories.  editorials.  letters.  all that sort of thing.  in the end, i
believe that this will probably be the area with the most meat to it,
which i think only makes sense.  words take up a lot more space than a
photogtraph of a phat piece of graffiti does.

[art.is.dead] to myself, and to those involved on any serious level, is
however, much deeper and meaningful than any simple words can explain. 
and as it would be, something that will be different for each person. 
its more than simple words or musik or pictures.  its how you feel or the
manner in which you react to those words, pictures, and musik that really
counts.  if one or two ppl out there -simply- react (let alone react in a
manner intended), then were getting somewhere with [art.is.dead].

[art.is.dead] is currently looking for subissions of [sight], [sound],
and [said!] as well as donations of time and talent in such areas as
graphic design, printing, scanning, and so on.  heres an example list of
what were looking for in the [sight], [sound], and [said!] departments:

- record reviews (all styles)
- scene reports
- gear talk
- production talk
- party reviews
- poetry
- short stories
- essays/editorials (subject/s is pretty much open)
- original artwork
- photographs of original graffiti or anonymouss graffiti
- photography (both artistic and otherwise)

if youre interested in submitting any sort of work for [art.is.dead] or
would just like some more information on this, please e.mail
[art.is.dead] at <art.is.dead@juno.com> with any questions.

like i said before, the [aid] website is already up and running.  and
this is, basically, the first time its been 'advertised', so check it
out.  daily.  there is currently about 10-15 additional .html files being
created as we speak nearing their uploading to the [art.is.dead]
experience, and this will probably always be.  so...

http://members.tripod.com/~art_is_dead/

and look for the printed version of the first issue of [art.is.dead] to
be tenatively released at 'even.furthur.98'.

thanks + respect

jawsh! [art.is.dead]

"what lies behind us and what lies before
us are tiny matters compared to what lies
within us"
                    - ralph waldo emerson

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Somebody _PLEASE_ bring happy hardcore to Detroit!  I have been
listening to it more and more often on real audio, and want to hear it
at a rave!!!  That is not something I thought I would EVER ask for a
year ago.  Weird, how tastes change.


Just had to get that out after hearing a sweet remix of 99 Red Balloons,

-jeff

P.S.  Has there aver been a party in Michigan with HH?


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On Mon, 11 May 1998, Jeff wrote:

> Somebody _PLEASE_ bring happy hardcore to Detroit!  I have been
> listening to it more and more often on real audio, and want to hear it
> at a rave!!!  That is not something I thought I would EVER ask for a
> year ago.  Weird, how tastes change.

heh heh...world domination is close at hand. if happy hardcore succeeds in
detroit.........

one day,
matt

----------------------------------------------------
look-out for....

*Remember the Magic* 5.22.98 (Acid Pimp, 3D, Maddgroove, Dave Siska...)
+Positive Thursdays 16+ 5.28.98 (the MW-Raves special edition!!)
WHPK/WNUR sound tent at FURTHUR 5.29-31 (techno, happy hardcore, jungle)       
*Bonkers* 8.15.98 (full scale happy hardcore and techno event)
halloween in kentucky......
*Blizzard 2* late december.....

positive kids productions/happy league: 1.773.509.6437


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In a message dated 98-05-11 21:16:06 EDT, you write:

> heh heh...world domination is close at hand. if happy hardcore succeeds in
>  detroit.........

no kidding... there was a jungle party there just last fall, and that in
itself seemed revolutionary...  Detroit Junglists??  HAH!!

yep, the city of Detroit has little else to offer but some of the most amazing
underground musik out there, which explains a typical aversion to outside
sounds at parties (i'm making a big generalization, of course).  before i
moved to Chicago, House to me was little more than bad Reel to Reel tracks and
i only knew of Jungle from these exotic British compilation discs (wait a
minute... you can DANCE to this stuff??)  of course, this was a while ago, and
i'm sure scene's been more diversified since.


cheers
Blue

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I was in detroit 2 weekends ago, and last weekend... I shoulda brought 
my records ;-) Seriously though, I'd spin happy hardcore in detroit in a 
second if asked :)

-craig/xotis/spree-

>Somebody _PLEASE_ bring happy hardcore to Detroit!

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Fuck happy hardcore.

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On Mon, 11 May 1998, Bro Keeps wrote:

> Fuck happy hardcore.

right on!!! you the man bro with that incredible intelligence and wit....

matt

p.s.
let's _try_ not to make a thread out of this though. 


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In a message dated 98-05-11 23:09:28 EDT, mplaffey@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

<< right on!!! you the man bro with that incredible intelligence and wit....
 
 matt >>

I didn't know my wit and intelligence was going to be evaluated.  Come on,
give a brother a fair shake!

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>>      Are there any tips people want to give concerning what to bring

::

one word shall say it all:

                            G  O  R  T  E  X

hiking boots, jackets, pants, tents, etc. basically whatever your budget
can swing. boots are for sure the big one, though. and you can get a decent
pair of gortex ones for $100-150.

oh yes, i can honestly say i don't miss having wet feet at furthur and
having to dry my dumb sneakers in the fire. it makes them shrink anyway.

virgins, prepare yourselves...

::

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>I didn't know my wit and intelligence was going to be evaluated.  Come 
on,
>give a brother a fair shake!

Dude, I'm gonna say this once, and *ONLY* once... if you don't have 
anything intelligent to say, then please do us all the favor and don't 
post to the list.

-craig/xotis/spree-

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In a message dated 98-05-11 23:24:15 EDT, xotis@hotmail.com writes:

<< Dude, I'm gonna say this once, and *ONLY* once... if you don't have 
 anything intelligent to say, then please do us all the favor and don't 
 post to the list.
 
 -craig/xotis/spree- >>

Thanks for your intelligent comments.

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>Just had to get that out after hearing a sweet remix of 99 Red Balloons,

Sweet.... what a PERFECT song to make into happy hardcore.... where can I
find this....  I think this is my new favorite song, and I haven't even
heard it yet....

love
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff <jwisman@scs.k12.mi.us>
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>Somebody _PLEASE_ bring happy hardcore to Detroit!  I have been
>listening to it more and more often on real audio, and want to hear it
>at a rave!!!  That is not something I thought I would EVER ask for a
>year ago.  Weird, how tastes change.
>
>
>Just had to get that out after hearing a sweet remix of 99 Red Balloons,
>
>-jeff
>
>P.S.  Has there aver been a party in Michigan with HH?
>




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anybody that wants their sites to be easly noticed from a distance should
consider hoisting a makeshift flag pole. alot of the weirdos at burning man
have come up with crests and flag designs that represent their crews and
regions so as to sort out the mess that occurs when thousands of such
weirdos get together to gather.

don't touch the jolly roger, though. it's a dbn trademark. and god knows
YOU humans don't want the fury of satan pointed in your direction.

maybe if we sacrifice some dames ole scratch will come on up and host a
piss-baptism theme camp. just a thought.

::

///

np: SPEEDY J : "Public Energy No.1"

nd: NEW GLARUS : "Edel-Pils"

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>od, sodomizer of chikens...

::

to the chicken people:

     T H Y   C H I C K E N   W I L L   D I E   O N C E   A G A I N !

     B            E           W           A           R           E



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Okay kids...  I have no idea if I'm hallucinating or this list really is
THIS strange. But this is a fuckload better than anyione saying stupid
one-line comments about other people's musical tastes. 

andrew

On Mon, 11 May 1998, Jason111 wrote:

> >od, sodomizer of chikens...
> 
> ::
> 
> to the chicken people:
> 
>      T H Y   C H I C K E N   W I L L   D I E   O N C E   A G A I N !
> 
>      B            E           W           A           R           E
> 
> 
> 


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Okay, 

We chicken lovers are preparing...
Though we don't have a chicken as of yet, but we are building our arsenal. 

Perhaps a duel of some sort would be appropriate? 

bobfm
104.5

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>     Words can't
>     describe, as I sit here trying to express how cool it was, I'm shaking
>     and have goose bumps all over.  Shudder!!!
--
ha! i thought you said words couldn't express it. they just did!

i did alot of mental house cleaning on saturday night with the help of a
bald canadian guy and then i went home and spent sunday with my beloved
creator...mom. i feel REALLY good.

to answer your question: yes. it was a typical detroit crowd. you always
have the fashionable idiots (the people who show up because it's the cool
place to be). they are the ones who don't stick around for the duration and
who don't seem to get it (maybe i'm being self-righteous but this is how i
feel). i like it when they leave. that is one more lesson i've learned from
plus 8 parties: good things take time. a party has a life span of 6-8 hours
and it grows and changes in that time. people come and go, the music
morphs, etc. if you have the patience to stick around, you are richly
rewarded with the experience of a lifetime.

>     P.S.- Did it get busted?
--
no.

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I'm sure this gent would be most appreciateive if somebody could send him
the info... please make sure you send it to the right address!

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I would like to ask you if you have or know someone who I can ask for the
contact of DJ Green Velvet ( Cajmere ).

Alexandre


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>Perhaps a duel of some sort would be appropriate?
--
like ninjas in the night shall our loyal clan strike out at thee.

like a weak dog in the desert sun shall thy icon of chicken perish.
consumed by fire, the giver and taker of life.

like fiesty rabbits shall our horde celebrate. hedonism...in large quantities.

like...wow, man. thou art no match for creatures whose very nerves have
been tempered in the eternal fires of hell itself.

praise thy maker. accept thy destroyer.

carpe
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Yeah... Fuck happy hardcore..long live the Electro Miami Bass Sounds of Luke
Skyywalker, Richie Hawtin, Aux 88 & Derrick May!!

I'm on crack...and so is yo mammy!!

Hya hya...

Philk

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I didn't go.


Ha made ya look!!

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>which plastikman or hawtin cd is the best that is still available.  I
>really
>want to get at least one.  I think Consumed (the album) is going to
>rock.  Just
>a feeling :)


Go to plus8.com

there, you can listen to every track on all of his (previous) albums.. that
is, if you have
Real Audio...


IMHO, though, I'd bet my money on Sheet One... that, or Recycled Plastik...
(the other 3 are pretty good as well)...

later on...

(and no, I'm not counting the mixmag shite as the third...)

o0o[qiB.]oo0o




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On Mon, 11 May 1998, Jason111 wrote:

> nd: NEW GLARUS : "Edel-Pils"

I think their Uff-Da Bock is a better brew.



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On Mon, 11 May 1998, Jason111 wrote:

> to the chicken people:
> 
>      T H Y   C H I C K E N   W I L L   D I E   O N C E   A G A I N !
> 
>      B            E           W           A           R           E

So I guess now we should instead call the event Burning Chicken.  I can 
just picture a big, neon covered chicken as the hub of a giant wheel of 
chicken feed turning with all those worthy dancing around it in all its 
splendor, gazing to the heavens and wishing for...

What was it the chicken people want, again?



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On Tue, 12 May 1998, Jason111 wrote:

> 111 x 6

you forgot:   111 x 6 / 3.14159236625
              ----------------------- x c  =  ?
                       e^2

And the person with the correct answer wins today's prize!



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The freak from Ontario did it again.

Consumed was held in a Masonic lodge in Pontiac, MI.  3 floors, 5+
rooms, cloth, plastic, fog and a whole bunch of music.  Scheduled
time was from midnight to 6am, music went from something like 1:45
to 6:30 or so.  2,000(?) people.

Here's the skinny:

First floor consisted of a hallway and wet (alcohol) bar, which then
led into the main room.  The room was large and dark, and had four
speaker stacks in the corners.  Rich was up on a stage in the front.
Copious amounts of fog and not that many lights added up to a very
happy Archon.  Soon after he started playing the room filled to
capacity and became very hot and _very_ crowded.  Lots of pretty
people standing around and wanting to be near where the action was,
but after a while they eventually left... 

Second floor had a series of connected rooms.  The first was called
"Simon", and like the electronic musical game with lights and
sounds, this was something similar.  A black room with
beachball-sized globes that were suspended at different heights in
the room at different locations.  Each globe was a different color
and would light with a corresponding tone.  "Bloop... bleep...
blonk."  

Disconcerting.  But cool.

Walking to the back of the room you passed through a neon-lined
doorway into a short hallway.  On your right was a small chamber
with a single speaker in it, your entry blocked by a curtain of
fine black netting.  Over the speaker was a continious distorted
sample off of Sheet One, "You're all crazy" it repeated -- over and
over.

Entering a room to your left, a bare room with white walls where a
live projection from a webserver status screen showed web hits and
who was connecting and disconnecting.  Fog was occasionally being
pumped in here, too.

Back out the doorway, past the speaker announcing your insanity, you
entered the "Void".  This was another black room with the far wall
being covered by a large rear-projection color screen.  A sheet of
black plastic was hung in front of this with a large vertical
rectangle cut out of it so that when you stood back, what you saw
was the same animated blue-black swirling globs of color that were
on www.plastikman.com.  It looked just like the image from the site,
in similar perspective.  There were speakers in this room, echoing
the same sound coming from the main room where Richie was playing.

Very cool.  _Very_.

Walking up the stairs, you noticed that the interior of the staircase
spiral was draped with camo netting and had a speaker pointing up
that bathed the stairways in sound as well.  This seemed like a 3rd
canned sound source, maybe a CD or a looped tape.  There was another
speaker by the wet bar on the 3rd floor hooked to the same sound
source.  There was a foyer on this floor that was draped in white
cloth.  You could go to another smart bar, into a smaller room with
speakers, or into a larger chamber.

The smaller room had speakers set on stands and these speakers were
connected to (I heard 5?) microphones that were hidden in hallways
and other chambers of the event.  You could hear conversations and
other ambient noise going on elsewhere.  From what I understand this
audio was also being broadcast over the net, in addition to a 2nd
sound source provided by a mic in the main room on the 1st floor and
a video feed (but I don't know where the camera was; I'm assuming in
the main room).

The larger chamber was big and tiered.  Parts of the walls and
stage were draped in white cloth, taking on the appearance of a
church.  A rack of intellibeams were trussed high above the stage,
being the only intelligent lighting in this room, but not really
necessary for light as the ambient lighting was pretty bright.
Sound consisted of several small speakers mounted high on the walls.

High up on the rear balcony was a row of text-based PCs that booted
up right into a telnet prompt... you could go anywhere you wanted
(provided you knew how to get there).  While they seemed constantly
manned, it would have been nice if it would have dropped you right
into vrave/IRC or given you a simple menu or something for those who
didn't know what the hell was going on.  While there wasn't any
orange fencing, which was possibly understandable due to all the
effort involved with hanging plastic and cloth (in some areas
covering the walls and ceiling) to achieve some sort of asthetic
continuity, I would think that anyone who was a netperson would have
found the terminals and realized that was the place to hook up with
other netgeeks.  So IMO, no loss.

Behind the tables on the stage Matt Hawtin and Clark Warner played,
and Theroem pulled off an _excellent_ sounding live PA.  While
people were certainly dancing in here, the room seemed more for pure
listening and enjoyment... both of the music but especially the
other people.  So many times you go to parties and while you are
listening to really great music, you're in a socially hostile
environment where things are too loud/dark/otherwise obnoxious for
you to actually share this experience with other people in anything
more than an associative way.  Sort of a non-passive ambient room.

Again, _very_ nice.

Back to the main room... and Richie.  The sound was, as I said, set
up in four stacks.  He had some type of control over this where he
could pan the sound from stack to stack.  I don't know if he had
seperate control over frequencies (as in, pan the mid/high but keep
the bass steady) or not; I didn't notice it if he did.  This again
was the Toronto "Beast" aka "Jak" system aka Shakedown S&L from
Toronto.  Detroit's Burst crew was there running things, so I assume
they teched.  Things sounded good aside from the mids distorting and
things generally not being loud enough (Jak O Lantern spoiled me).

Things started up late, musically.  For whatever reason, Rich didn't
go on until almost 2.  I was in the Void at the time and the first
track he played sounded distinctively plastik but nothing I had
heard before, so we rushed down into the main room.  Well... with
that crowd, you couldn't really rush anywhere.  When we got to the
main room it was already packed and he was playing some straight-up
tracky stuff.  Stayed for a while and then checked out the other
rooms and music going on there (which had also started).  Came back
around 3 and didn't leave; didn't move from the front-left speaker,
until it was over.

I don't know what it was.  It uhh... wasn't what I anticipated.
Far more experimental and broken-down than I was expecting.  Music
that didn't make you dance as much as it dared you to.  Or what I'm
saying is, music that forced you to think about and come up with
your own reasons for staying there and dancing, rather than just
some easily-digestible pounding that just worked out your body.
Skitted around minimal sounds and compositions, occasionally working
up into some more dance-friendly tracks that would cause the crowd
to scream and go nuts for a while, then he'd back it off into
weirdness again.  A few botched mixes, but they were corrected
within a second and then were dead-on.

He even tried to scratch.

The effects processor was being used to good effect.  He'd pull a
tone or a tweak off the 909 and just play with that for a while,
without even a record playing.  Slow the tone down into a gurgling
pulse and hand-spinup a record to match the beat and then kick in
something else.  He did much of the same thing at Kiss the Sky in
Madison, but here things seemed much smoother and polished.  More of
that incredible insanity that I first heard at "Live" in Toronto,
where he was mixing sounds rather than beats in some parts; using
the processor to tweak a sound like you'd normally use a pitch
slider.

The pan effect was interesting and at sometimes seemed like "just
something extra" and at other times it was clear that for certain
tracks he had this setup in mind.  The last track he played for the
night, as at Kiss the Sky, was a white label of his titled "Last
Track" (not "Lasttrak" off of Musik).  The effects and panning on
this combined to create something truely wonderful -- it really was
a sound _environment_, that with the heat, lights, physicality of
the bass and the dimensional quality of the panning combined to
equal a thing very much greater than the sum of its parts.  

I just stood there, motionless, with my eyes closed.  You not only
could hear, but feel the sound wash over you and literally move
around the room.  At times it was like a tease; most of Richie's
good sets are, but this new dimensionality just adds another aspect
to it.

No Spastik.  He did play doubled-up copies of Sickness, and even a
Nitzer Ebb track (thanks Karl).  Personally, I would have liked to
hear a harder selection... I danced for hours but nothing that
really worked up a good sweat.  But at Consumed, like pretty much
every time I've seen him play, was a captive environment and the
faithful go in with the understanding that we will submit to His
will and He will take us on a journey of His choosing.

Not always what you expect, not always what you want, but usually
something special. 

His spinning style is changing.  In the past it seemed like it was
his goal to get everyone caught up in what was being played... sort
of string them along, and then delighted in breaking them.  He would
ride you until you gave up will.  Dare you to keep going until you
couldn't.  Then when he saw that people had been beaten, then he'd
start messing with your heads.  Fuk.

Now it seems more mellow.  Like maybe he has less to prove.  Less
demanding, less punishing.  But still, very very involving in a
different way.  More intricate.  Following the "less is more"
strategm, when there's less for you to grab onto, it forces you
further into the music to get something out of it.  The more you
take away the deeper you have to go.  The more you subtract...
the more that is challenged?

Anyway.

A big, big production that aside from the late start and slightly
overbearing security, went off very well.  It certainly must have
taken them more than a couple of days to set everything up.  This
was a _production_.  If anything could be called an _event_, this
was something that fit that bill.  All for $25.

It's interesting how people bitched about the price beforehand, but
then will go to parties that cost the same amount that consist of
hardly anything in comparison.  An expo center or bingo hall that a
handful of people get into at 6pm, load in some sound, lights and
vendors, and then at midnight all this hyped up crap you read on the
flyer is supposed to magically happen.

They charge $25, too.  Aside from booking the production components
and providing a staff to work it, what have they really given you?
Is this really that incredibly magical happyfluffybunny land that I
read about everywhere?  Definitive?  Or derivative?

Things have become so "rave by numbers", so bland, so boring that
it's sickening.  There's SO MUCH potential out there.  You have this
completely captive environment for 6+ hours with a couple thousand
young, impressionable people on mind-altering chemicals... if the
only thing you can come up with is to copy the same formula of
waving a PLUR flag and playing some loud music, then why are you
bothering?  DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

So... was I consumed?  For a while, yes.  It showed me that there
still are people who have a clue as to what's going on and to what
can be done and have the balls to make it happen.  I hope, I really
do hope, that a lot of the "new school" that I gripe about on this
list were at this event and see that there's a difference between
a rave and what things have become lately in the midwest, namely,
overpriced techno sock-hops.

Rave is dead.  Long live rave.  See you at Furthur.



- Craig

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>     T H Y   C H I C K E N   W I L L   D I E   O N C E   A G A I N !


this is like saying "the south will rise again!"


won't happen.  dream on.


Chad

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     Why not just take a mono out from the board?  This should remove the 
     panning effects.  Having two subs justs seems overkill.


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Giles asked
     
>     Uhmmm, why do you need a sub for each channel?  Bass is 
>     omni-directional and as such doesn't have stereo affects in it.  
>     
>     Willing to learn, but from I understand you don't need a subwoofer per 
>     channel.
     
Because both channels have bass on them, and if the sound image is panned 
from one speaker to the other, for example, the bass will pan with it.
     
Think of the two channels as two seperate sound sources, which both need the 
full range of speakers.
     
Snake - you need a low pass filter, so that only frequencies <100 Hz go to 
the sub units, any higher than that and the bass will be directional. 
     
Derek
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On 12 May 1998 ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:

>      Why not just take a mono out from the board?  This should remove the 
>      panning effects.  Having two subs justs seems overkill.

ARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!

1.  You should (in general) for dance music have TWICE the number of subs
that you have low/mid/highs.  Hell, most Rock tours travel with that
config.

2.  Mono out from the board is indeed fine.  Taking it from an Aux. send
is the 'best' way of sending it, unless you have a hankering for live
mixing that ISN'T the DJ kind.

> >     Uhmmm, why do you need a sub for each channel?  Bass is 
> >     omni-directional and as such doesn't have stereo affects in it.  

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

Bass IS directional, no matter WHAT people say. It is a wave, and as such
has a point source of emminence.  For the most part you do not HEAR the
directionality of it, but you can still FEEL the directionality of it.  

And a sub for each channel is really a matter of personal preference.  No,
it is not needed, but if the whole point of your array is to do stereo
effects, than you fucking better have it.  That's why there is a THX-2
format coming out, and why Dolby AC-3 is (for now) better than THX or
SDDS.

> >     Willing to learn, but from I understand you don't need a subwoofer per 
> >     channel.

No arrrrrrrrrrrghhhhh!

Let's work on our gramar and terminology here.  If you DON'T have a sub
on each channel, then you will (the way you phrased it) have ONE sub on
either the left or right stack, but not both.  Having two channels getting
a mono feed and having two channels get a stereo feed and having one
channel get a mono feed are all different beasts.

> Because both channels have bass on them, and if the sound image is panned 
> from one speaker to the other, for example, the bass will pan with it.

And?  So what?  What if the bass doesn't pan in the music, but you simply
pan the entire range from one stack to another?

> Think of the two channels as two seperate sound sources, which both need the 
> full range of speakers.

Mmmmmmmm, sorta...........  Without the sound BELOW 20hz and ABOVE 16,000,
it discolors the rest of what we hear by the LACK of the harmonic waves.
It's like having a car without floormats.  It's fine, but there's just
something missing, and it in reality makes no difference as to the
operation of the car.  The two channels can each receive a mono (left)
mix, and they will still be two seperate sound sources.  Why don't you try
middle-side? :)

> Snake - you need a low pass filter, so that only frequencies <100 Hz go to 
> the sub units, any higher than that and the bass will be directional. 

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He really wants a crossover.  Filters are for fun things like EQ'ing and
feedback/drum kits and what not.  Yes, there is a low-pass filter in
crossovers (sorta), but it isn't the same thing.  That's why there are
terms like Linkwitz-Riley and what not.  EQ KILLS frequencies, crossovers
SHARE frequencies adn distribute them accordingly.  Plus there's stuff
like bi-amplification, delays (for teh finicky) and all sorts of other
things.  Anything above 80HZ is NOT considered subs, and most stuff above
240Hz wouldn't be called bass, so if the frequencies are higher than that,
they will ALWAYS be directional, because the bass isn't going to change
frequency, if it DOES, then it has a different term.

Sorry to jump in like this, but I just had to clarify a few things.

Yell and argue with me if you want.......

sef

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Happy Hardcore is the BOMB!
Evil Hardcore is the BOMB!
Trance is the BOMB!
Acid is the BOMB!
Jungle is the BOMB!

I think we should put all these bombs together to make one HUGE MEGA-BOMB, and
blow house music out of the scene.  I think it's a worthy cause.  

P.S.  Mimimal techno is a firecracker.

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> I think we should put all these bombs together to make one HUGE MEGA-BOMB,
> and
> blow house music out of the scene.  I think it's a worthy cause.  
> 
	thats because you don't understand house music....and, as i quoted
one of my favorite tracks before, i shall do it again..."not everyone can
understand house music....it's a spritual thing...a body thing...a soul
thing.."

	j.love
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>	thats because you don't understand house music....and, as i quoted
>one of my favorite tracks before, i shall do it again..."not everyone can
>understand house music....it's a spritual thing...a body thing...a soul
>thing.."

oh give me a fuckin break.  House isn't any more spiritual than any of the
previously stated forms of music.  There's not magical element to house
that makes it different and better than other techno music.  I fully
understand house music but I don't especially dig it either.  So what?



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Hey peeps,

I have a couple of questions about Further:

1)  Will we be able to build fires if we supply our own wood

2)  Is there going to be much open space (like an area close to the size of
a soccer field), b/c my fiancee & I want to bring our stunt kites if there
is.  (well, we're bringing them anyhow, but it's nice to know in advance)

Thanks y'all!

hugs & smiles,
angel O:)

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On Tue, 12 May 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> Hey peeps,
> 
> I have a couple of questions about Further:
> 
> 1)  Will we be able to build fires if we supply our own wood
> 
> 2)  Is there going to be much open space (like an area close to the size of
> a soccer field), b/c my fiancee & I want to bring our stunt kites if there
> is.  (well, we're bringing them anyhow, but it's nice to know in advance)

just remember, if you buzz a bunch of tripping kids, they freak out :)

peace, 
andrew
[i know]


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>just remember, if you buzz a bunch of tripping kids, they freak out :)



LOL....that sounds like fun.....Top Gun with kites....tee-hee



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>>Ooops, I forgot to mention in my review that
>>I was the one passing out little bouncy balls
>>for people to play with at Consumed.  Did 
>>anyone on the list get one?  I hope no one
>>stepped on a stray one, my friends and I didn't
>>think of this risk until they had been passed out.

THAT WAS YOU???    8]

i think you gave me _two_ of them!!   lost one in the
shuffle and still gots one now.... thanks so much.
i believe you gave them to me in the 'white' chamber
thang.   yeah.   wow.   crazy.

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Today (Tuesday) from 3:30 - 5:30p EDT on the Olaris network Elroy and DJ
Skye will be doing a live broadcast. If you miss it, you can always
check the archive. :-)

http://www.radiodistortion.com
Click "DJ Elroy/Olaris"

Enjoy....

-Ben / DJ Elroy

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	Steven J asked:

> I can  just picture a big, neon covered chicken as the hub of a giant
> wheel of  chicken feed turning with all those worthy dancing around it in
> all its splendor, gazing to the heavens and wishing for...
> 
> What was it the chicken people want, again?
> 
To find out why the chicken crossed the road?  Or, which came first, the
chicken or the egg.....no, wait, that was already answered a bit back.  ;)

hugs & smiles,
angel O:)

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	Steven J asked:

> I can  just picture a big, neon covered chicken as the hub of a giant
> wheel of  chicken feed turning with all those worthy dancing around it in
> all its splendor, gazing to the heavens and wishing for...
> 
> What was it the chicken people want, again?
> 
To find out why the chicken crossed the road?  Or, which came first, the
chicken or the egg.....no, wait, that was already answered a bit back.  ;)

hugs & smiles,
angel O:)

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     Hey man, that's not funny!  Attacks from above are scary!
     
     
     E


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Date:    5/12/98 1:28 PM


On Tue, 12 May 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:
     
> Hey peeps,
> 
> I have a couple of questions about Further: 
> 
> 1)  Will we be able to build fires if we supply our own wood 
> 
> 2)  Is there going to be much open space (like an area close to the size of 
> a soccer field), b/c my fiancee & I want to bring our stunt kites if there 
> is.  (well, we're bringing them anyhow, but it's nice to know in advance)
     
just remember, if you buzz a bunch of tripping kids, they freak out :)
     
peace, 
andrew
[i know]
     
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 12 19:45:26 1998
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Yo!  I'm new here.. and i won't be here long.  i'll be moving up to NY in a
lil while, maybe this week.  I'll have a total of 2 friends there but its
cool.  so Look for a teeny tiny part asian girl at all thee parties. 

^vbreakitdownv^
ANGiE*

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I'll be leaving the list in a few days so that I can go home this summer 
and not have to check my email every 5 minutes. I had a great time this 
year seeing what y'all had to say. I've just got a few last thoughts 
before I head out.

1. I'll be living in Grand Rapids, MI this summer. Trying to pull off at 
least one big fucking house party. I don't that many people there, but if 
anybody wants to perform or donate tables/sound/a house, let me know.

2. I just finished up my second tape. One side has produced tracks 
ranging from hard techno to hardcore to hard hip hop. The other side is 
my noise/ambient PA. It looks like I'm going to have some leftover 
copies, and I thought I would try and make my money back by ripping 
random strangers off. So if you like that kind of crap, get a hold of me, 
and say "Hey, I want a tape". I'm just asking a suggested donation of 
like $2-4 or whatever you want to give me in exchange. Tapes would be 
cool. I refuse to go through the hassle of mailing these, so you just 
have to meet up with me at a party. I'll be at Even Furthur and Sector 
616 this summer. Just ask any of the Champaign kids who I am.

3. Watch out. For Champaign-Urbana. Next year.

I will be checking this account sporadically over the summer.

Love,
   Matt

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trolling is all good too but on the west coast it
is called Candy Flipping  :)

Flipper

"hmm, I think I need to sit down for a few minutes...
no, wait! There's that song I been waitin' for, I gotta
go dance now, see ya!"

-----Original Message-----
From: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org
[mailto:mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org]On Behalf Of paul senet
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 1:22 PM
To: mw
Subject: HH, Detroit, Spirituality, and the music I like that you don't



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please send all responses publicly

			toastman


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    anyone remember that sir-mix-a-lot song about gortex?

it was pretty cool huh?  


they should get him to throw down some rymes at further, 
yea, ".... put em on the glass... "   word, mix-alot is the shit.. :)

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At 01:22 PM 5/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll
>troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll
>troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll
>troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll
>troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll
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>please send all responses publicly
>
>			toastman
>
>

snergen...yes, dirigglet norf.  I snug da hoopy doogen flare.

no no no.  to do dee do for threpnik snoog.

acheke.

peace,
Chad

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i remember a few rap songs about gore-tex (notice the e on the end--
william gore, founder of WL Gore and Associates and pioneer of expanded
polytetrafluoroethylene), but none by sir-mix-a-lot.  just sound bites
really, but oh well.  it's a passing fad among ganstas in coastal urban
areas, so i can't remember...

peace
chris

Eucalptus wrote:

>     anyone remember that sir-mix-a-lot song about gortex?
>
> it was pretty cool huh?
>
> they should get him to throw down some rymes at further,
> yea, ".... put em on the glass... "   word, mix-alot is the shit.. :)




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Sorry for anyone who got this on the 313, and since I haven't seen it here
yet, figure'd I'd pass it along.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Packard Plant set for summer demolition--Detroit

An announcement was made by Mayor Dennis Archer of Detroit yesterday that
the original Packard Plant, constructed in the 1920s and left abandoned
decades ago, has been marked for total demolition to accomodate the
'Detroit
Renaissance' and make new land opportunities available for builders...

If you wish to make a bid to apply toward the demolition, bids are due May
20th.  If you wish to make a final tag or do the chalk-dance one last time
you'd better do it soon.

The building is expected to fall in July....

The Packard Plant is a Detroit Techno Landmark, and for years was the
location
of some of the most reknown underground parties..
Who's gonna throw the last?

...Somebody forward this to 313....

- -STL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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                               No?  Well, then...
                                Guess it works..
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    HULLABALOO! 

 presents the

One-Year Birthday FUNTOPIA!!

  June 27, 1998 - Toronto, Canada

   416 - 760 - 3279


'Return with us to the oldschool vibe' that's what we said on our
first flyer back in june  of 97. Little did we know history would be 
made that evening and we would strike such a cord with the raving 
community. Before long our parties became legendary for bringing back 
that crazy rave atmosphere that so many of us longed for. Every party 
has gotten crazier with everyone in the building wearing a smile and 
spreading PLUR to the max. This will be a very special birthday 
party, and we hope everyone that has attended our parties in the past 
will come out to celebrate something that all of us have helped to 
make possible. Bringing you the finest in happy hardcore, jungle, 
oldskool, trance, techno, hardhouse and breaks. We've assembled a 
very special birthday lineup, choosing all the djs and m.c.'s who've 
helped make hullabaloo! what it is.

DJ HIXXY, London, England (h1)

MC MAGIKA, London, England (h3)

MADAM ZU, Cornwall, England (h3)

FLEX, Rochester, USA (h2, h4) 

ANABOLIC FROLIC, Toronto, Canada (h1-5)

MARCUS, Toronto, Canada (h1-3) 

RUFFNECK, Toronto, Canada (h3-5) 

BRANO, Toronto, Canada (h2-5) 

THC, Toronto, Canada (h2-5)

SOS, Toronto, Canada (h1,h3)

SUB-LIGHT, Toronto, Canada (h1-5)

EUPHONIC, Toronto, Canada (h1-5)

SMITHY, Toronto, Canada(h1-3,5)

MARTY MCFLY, Toronto, Canada (h1-5)

MENTAL FLOSS, Toronto, Canada (h1-2)

JT, Toronto, Canada (h2-5)

FRISKY, Toronto, Canada (h1-5)

ESSEX, Toronto, Canada (h3,4)

GRIMACE, Niagra Falls, Canada (h1,3,4)

DOMINIK VS BRAD D., Toronto, Canada (h2 vs h1,3,5)

MC E-BY-GUM, Toronto, Canada (h1-5)

MC TRIGGER, Toronto, Canada (h1-5)

MC JD, Toronto, Canada (h5)


ATTRACTIONS:

FREE whistles, Free HORNS (this will be our loudest and 
craziest party)! Free fruit, free candy, free cd, tape, record and 
t-shirt giveaways, free face painting, free bouncy castle and other 
crazy fun! free hugs & smiles! The usual top hullabaloo production 
standards -the best lights and sound. A 'new-years-eve' style 
birthday countdown at 3am so we can truly celebrate what hullabaloo 
means to us. and we can never forget YOU, the ravers who come out and 
absolutely tear the building apart with your vibe, smiles, cheers and 
love. 

Meeting Point & Shuttle Buses at Nathan Philips Square (Bay & 
Front St) Location annouced the day of on infoline.

HULLABALOO! INFOLINE (416) 760-3279
http://web.idirect.com/~chris/hullabaloo.html

Vendors and Bus organizers call the infoline for arrangements.

Tickets
Birthday Special! in Honour of the 500 punters at our first 
party, we're offering the first 500 tickets at $15!  $20 after that. 
and more at the door if available. Capacity is limited to 2000. 
Hullabaloo parties have a habit of selling out so get your tix as 
soon as you can because you do not want to miss this very special 
night. TICKETS GO ON SALE JUNE 5th!!!!!!!!

Tickets Available in Toronto from

Speed 423 Queen St W 416-596-7609
Numb 250 Queen St 416-599-5424
Eastern Bloc 224 Adelaide St. W 416-593-4355
Play De Record 357a Yonge St 416 586 0380
Traxx 427 Yonge St 416 977-TRAX
Fresh Records 1278 St. Clair Ave West 416-65FRESH 
Hustler Snowboards 111 Kerr St (905) 844-1868
Hidden Jungle (formerly Hemptastic) 2580 Shepard Ave Mississauga (905)
306-7273 (NSC)
Hidden Jungle 3327 Lakeshore Rd W. Etobicoke 416 259 3429 (NSC)
Hidden Jungle 135 Kerr St. Oakville (NSC) 
Ragtag Fairview Mall (416) 499-8366 
The Pit 423 Queen St W 
Beat Boutique 44 Dunlop St E. Barrie (705) 737-0221

All Ticketmaster locations throughout Canada and Northern USA. Also
can be ordered mailorder from any location at (416-870-8000) 
or www.ticketmaster.ca

American residents : remember! you save approx. 35% off the ticket
price due to Canadian - US exchange rates!

Right of Admission Refusal (ROAR) in full effect.
No drugs, thugs, markers, attitude or frowns.
If you feel you can't contribute to the crazy Hullabaloo spirit, then
stay away!! Happy ravers only!!

DON'T JUST HEAR ABOUT HOW GOOD IT WAS - EXPERIENCE IT FOR YOURSELF

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for those that arent aware (and there seems to be many of you out there),
it spelled like this:

furthur

and not like this:

fruther

replace the 'e' with a 'u' and youre on track...

jawsh!

np: j.love - 'hootinanny'

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>House isn't any more spiritual than any of 
>the
>previously stated forms of music.  There's not magical element to 
>house
>that makes it different and better than other techno music.

now, ill prolly get reamed left n right fer this, but i just gotta...

i think there -is- something about house musik that makes it a little
sumthin sumthin that no other musik is.  i cant explain it.  and i sure
am -not- -any- sort of house head.  actually, i despise house musik for
the most part.  good mixing, and -supreme- track selectiomn are the only
things that stray me from my anti-house stand.  but, there is nothing
like house musik at 5 am to make tired ass raver kids dance.  hardcore
(of any form) will not do that.  tekno mebbe will.  jungle sure wont. 
house musik, however will.  tell me thats not magic...

jawsh!

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On Tue, 12 May 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> > I can  just picture a big, neon covered chicken as the hub of a giant
> > wheel of  chicken feed turning with all those worthy dancing around it in
> > all its splendor, gazing to the heavens and wishing for...
> > 
> > What was it the chicken people want, again?
> > 
> To find out why the chicken crossed the road?  Or, which came first, the
> chicken or the egg.....no, wait, that was already answered a bit back.  ;)

Chicken and egg are sitting up in a bed, chicken is puffing away at a
cigarette, egg is looking angry and frustrated. Egg turns to chicken and
says...

"well, I guess we answered that one."

=)

[I know, it was posted a bit back. just a reminder.]

peace, hugs, big open smiles
andrew


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>    HULLABALOO! 
>
> presents the
>
>One-Year Birthday FUNTOPIA!!
>
>  June 27, 1998 - Toronto, Canada

ok, i see the hulla-plans beeing formulated already.  ;)  so i thought id
try and get in on the action.  anyone i know from this area (minneapolis)
or traveling through this area (minneapolis, duh!) that would like to
stop by my crib and pick me up and take me along and skool me on the hh
tip would be greatly appreciated.  if ya aint ready to make such plans
yet, save this e.mail and hit me up when that time rolls around.

thanks...

jawsh!

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[if yer lookin for pro or anti house, delete this message, cuz there ain't
 none in it]

> but, there is nothing like house musik at 5 am to make tired ass raver
> kids dance.  hardcore (of any form) will not do that. 

oh gosh.  I was dead tired, completely out of enErgy, and ready to crash
at the last hullabaloo when 5am swung around.  so, I was going to go off,
chill w/ some friends downstairs, see what that whole scene was like, but
then, THEN, brad d dropped fukin hardcore beats.  There ain't NUTHIN like
some wikked hardcore to make me move in the morning (wikked hardcore
includes raga, of course) 

but, well, I dont see many promoters with the guts to put the 'core on in
the morning, for fear of scaring the crusty tweakers & candy ravers
(either that, or maybe the fact that most people hate hardcore ;p). but I
/know/, from personal experience, that hardcore can make at least a small
crew of kids FLIP in the morning, providing them with just that extra
pizzazz that they need to make it through the next day, week, and maybe
even month. And I will, within the next 6 months, throw an event with the
'core on LAST in the morning (maybe even june.13th...).  I promise.  (hah
mikey... deal with that! ;p)

whee!
-peat
lover.of.the.beat




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Ok.  I just found out that I can't go to Furthur!!  Needless to say, I'm not
happy.  I'm now focusing my road trip ambitions on Hullabaloo.  If happy
hardcore won't come to Detroit, I will go to it.  My friend, Jonah, is in the
same situation.  Neither of us will have a vehicle during this time, so I
thought I'd get in on the hullabaloo planning early and hopefully find a ride
for us.  We would bring gas money, candy, smiles, and someone to talk to.
I'm just looking for anyone going through the Ann Arbor area with room for
two.  I am really hoping this will work out, after no Furthur, so _please_
get in touch if you don't mind carpooling.

Thanks and smiles,

jeff

P.S.  About the happy hardcore thread I started, I wasn't in any way dissing
other music.  I got a couple nasty replies (HH sucks, blah blah blah)  I
still prefer Detroit techno and Jungle, but HH is getting more and more
playing time.  Can't wait to hear it on a real system!!!




>  HULLABALOO!
>
>  presents the
>
> One-Year Birthday FUNTOPIA!!>

   June 27, 1998 - Toronto, Canada



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>
>>    HULLABALOO! 
>>
>> presents the
>>
>>One-Year Birthday FUNTOPIA!!
>>
>>  June 27, 1998 - Toronto, Canada
>


   I'll just throw one more log onto the fire here:

  Although it has not been posted to mw-raves yet, scheduled for the 
same night as this event (June 27th) is Spacewalk II in Detroit. For 
those of you who attended Spacewalk last year, I think you know why this 
represents a small dilemma... 





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Can you post the info. for this on the list?  It would take an awful lot to
tempt me away from Hullabaloo!!

Detroit Junglist wrote:

> >
> >>    HULLABALOO!
> >>
> >> presents the
> >>
> >>One-Year Birthday FUNTOPIA!!
> >>
> >>  June 27, 1998 - Toronto, Canada
> >
>
>    I'll just throw one more log onto the fire here:
>
>   Although it has not been posted to mw-raves yet, scheduled for the
> same night as this event (June 27th) is Spacewalk II in Detroit. For
> those of you who attended Spacewalk last year, I think you know why this
> represents a small dilemma...
>
>    _   ___  ____          o  ____ "You can take the cat from
>  __))  ))_   ))  __  __   _   ))   the jungle, but never the
> ((_(  ((_   ((  (|  ((_) ((  ((    jungle from the cat."
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>     anyone remember that sir-mix-a-lot song about gortex?
> 
> it was pretty cool huh?  
> 
> 
> they should get him to throw down some rymes at further, 
> yea, ".... put em on the glass... "   word, mix-alot is the shit.. :)
----
hell yeah :> sir mix-a-lot kicks a-lot-of-ass *grins*
but my favorite has to go to baby got back...
(especially the in living color's skit of the video..)
yeah...he was all about booty, goretex and nice cars back then..
i havent heard his new album (return of the bumpasaurus or something?)
yet...is it any good?? good ala mack daddy, that is?

yeah..check the sig.
john.dove
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So I am graduating, probably.

Needless to say I will be losing my brockport account at some point in the
future.  As soon as I find a job, I will get back to you all, and go nuts
with my Rave-Tech list.  

As a side note, if anyone knows of any clubs, music halls, or theatre's
anywhere that need a full time lighting or sound technician up to
Technical Director, give a holler.

Peace, and don't give in to commercialism.  Werde for President!


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"Couples like Karen and Israel make me glad that I'm gay."

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House music...



Detroit...leave house music alone and let Chicagoans make real music.....

hahahahahaha!!

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
5.16.98 - Iowa City IA - NEVER BEFORE

10pm-4am Gunnerz, 123 e washington st (heart of downtown) 

$3 

local DJs:  E Dubble, Moonrakker, Buttafingas, Richie Heller, XXL/Juggla,
Earl E, ALERT, Miche & Uplift
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gunnerz, a bar in downtown Iowa City, will be hosting an all-ages, no-alcohol
club nights beginning this coming saturday night the 16th of May.  
If we can get a good turnout, it may become an ongoing event.

Since this is downtown Iowa City, if you want to have a drink, you can walk
to any of a dozen nearby bars, quench your thirst and come back in.

Note that the no-alcohol policy will be strictly enforced, as Gunnerz
has allowed their liquor license to lapse, and it, like other downtown
clubs, are frequently visited by our local constabulary.

In addition to a stage/seats/dancefloor area downstairs, there is an
upstairs lounge with couches and a pool table for chilling.



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On Tue, 12 May 1998, Chris Samojlenko wrote:

>     HULLABALOO! 
> 
>  presents the
> 
> One-Year Birthday FUNTOPIA!!
> 
>   June 27, 1998 - Toronto, Canada
> 
>    416 - 760 - 3279

oh god. i suppose i'll just *have* to go somehow, won't I?

but what will happen if i go hear happy hardcore live? i already have
begun to like it...i think i can foresee my mind slipping away.

oh well. 

=)

peace, hugs,
andrew

[5.16: Rise, KC]
[5.22: Remember the Magic, Chicago]
[5.29--: FURTHER!]
[6.xx: broke ;) ]



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>>
> thats because you don't understand house music....and, as i quoted
>one of my favorite tracks before, i shall do it again..."not everyone can
>understand house music....it's a spritual thing...a body thing...a soul
>thing.."


nahhh, mostly house is just a boring thing.  good for weenies who can't hack
better music.  :-)




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Was the question mr. craig axed me at end of the nite. Unfortunately, I
was unable to answer at the time, but the answer was unequivocally YES!

Very nice description of the party by Craig, let's give another view of
the proceedings from someone else. Me.

Got there originally @ 9pm. Czeched out the space to see how things were
proceeding. Was totally gobstruck as I walked into each room to see what
was going on. Even in the daylight I could see how awesome this was
going to be. The workers (and there were alot of them, thanks to all of
you for making such a night!) had been there for 3 days, all day, all
nite, getting things ready. I felt bad that I couldn't stay to help, but
I had business to take care of so I left. Came back at 12:30. Lineup
forever. Nobody at the door that I knew (and I know everybody). Good
move by PP to ensure no bullshit at the door. Eventually got sorted and
made it in. Well-known Dj OmegaMan (boomer) was taking tickets! I loved
that. This was a party in which everyone chipped in. Friends, DJ's,
family were contributing to make things happen. Got in to check out how
the rooms were finished and saw people MIA for years. Slammin. Teased
Craig for handing out Jimi Hendrix (or were they grateful dead?) concert
flyers. Told JJ to cut his hair. Saw everybody. Everybody was in a good
mood. They all knew that this was the real shit. If you were leaving the
house in 1998, this was the night. Everyone knew. After awhile wondered
why Rich wasn't playing yet. Realized he was waiting for everybody to
finally enter the building. I don't think this bothered anyone as there
was loads to do besides (so many friends, different rooms to explore,
etc.) In fact I thought it was very cool that nobody would miss the
beginning. Finally he came on, and everybody was rocking. I went back to
the front door to check on everything, and got roped into taking Boomers
spot watching the door. More DJ's In Bouncer Shock! Took care of
business for a couple of hours to do my part in creating the vibe.
Finally realized I had driven 5 hours to get here and needed to rock.
Found my mates and began to Really listen to Rich. Thought what he was
playing was more "dub" than "techno". Totally enjoyed it though. Not
sure of how much of it was his new LP but fucking rocking anyway.
Listened to this for awhile, then went and hassled him. (We had
discussed him playing Nitzer Ebb a few weeks ago, after we all enjoyed
it so much at the Lodge last year. He agreed that he probably would.) So
I went and asked him if I had missed Nitzer Ebb yet. He said no. I went
back down on the floor, and the next record he played was "Join In The
Chant". I went fucking mental and so did almost everybody else. This was
particularily special to me. (side story:When Rich first started Djing
in Windsor in 1988, he played at an all-ages club called Hoppas. JITC
was one of the big records then. He used to play alot of NE at the
Shelter the year after that, and when he used to play "too much" house &
techno music, I used to bother him to play some "real music". After
listening to him tell me to fuck off countless times, I finally got into
house music that year (1989). I've been into nothing else since. And
here I am at Consumed asking for "an alternative song". I love irony.)

After that I was totally into it and wouldn't have left the floor for a
million bucks. Rocked that front left speaker like nobody's business.
When it looked like it was over, I was gutted. I usually know when the
party should end and always freely announce this, I was totally not
ready for him to finish, even though I know it wasn't his choice
(anxious security, etc.). What a top night.


I've slagged off Richard's djing often over the last couple of years (I
thought he hit his pinnacle at "Spastik") and i'm not really into techno
very much at all, but I must say how/what he played at this party was
untouchable. Most of the time it didn't seem like music, just sound. He
was thoroughly the man this evening. I was completely and truly
impressed. Now after re-evaluating the situation I am not sure anymore
that he has reached his peak. Words don't describe this evening. (in
spite of how long-winded I am).

Huge and mega-respect to all those who were a part of this evening,
especially the people who helped to throw the party. Far too much work
for my estimation! If you are a fan of dance music and rave culture,
believe me when I tell you, do not miss whatever his crew decide to come
with next in the Detroit area. I've been to parties/clubs/raves round
the world and this was as good as anything I've been a part of. First
class in every way, shape, and form.

And thanks to Craig for putting to me that question in my title. Summed
it up to the max! As did my response (silence).


Thanks for listening.
Jetstream (semi-retired)

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     So like man, if u is the replacement for e.  What's it like?


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for those that arent aware (and there seems to be many of you out there), 
it spelled like this:
     
furthur
     
and not like this:
     
fruther
     
replace the 'e' with a 'u' and youre on track...
     
jawsh!
     
np: j.love - 'hootinanny'
     
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sorry that i didnt send this out to you djs earlier but i just got word
myself for the deadline is postmarked entries May 15.

on a flyer from buzz, dc:

"Fever's 1998 Battle of the DJ's will begin in July.  Mixed tape entries are
to be sent to:  BUZZ, PO BOX 394, Greenbelt, MD 20768.  Entries must be
post-marked by May 15th and must be presented on a 60 or 90 minute, high
bias or chrome cassette tape.  Musical styles which will be accepted are
techno, house, trance, funky breaks, and d/b.  All tapes must be sent to the
above address.  No self/hand delivered tapes will be accepted.  Please
include your real name, your dj name and a telephone number.  All tapes will
be critiqued by a panel of judges.  From these tapes, 24 djs will be chosen
to compete in two preliminary rounds at Buzz in July.  These 24 djs will be
notified by phone by june 10th.  only these 24 djs will be notified.  Of
these 24, 4 will go onto the finals in August.  The winnere will receive a
future Back room set at Buzz and a new dj mixer.  Bedroom djs, this is your
chance!"

q's and comments>>>>  202-828-1984   talk2buzz@buzzdc.com


good luck.  peace and prosperity, aaron


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someone from the omaha jungleistic society...or anyone who can get in touch
with PHAROAH or T.H.C...e-mail me privately....

j.love
*303*collective
http://members.tripod.com/~three_oh_three

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On Tue, 12 May 1998, ZXTZXTZXT wrote:

> Happy Hardcore is the BOMB!
> Evil Hardcore is the BOMB!
> Trance is the BOMB!
> Acid is the BOMB!
> Jungle is the BOMB!
> 
> I think we should put all these bombs together to make one HUGE MEGA-BOMB, and
> blow house music out of the scene.  I think it's a worthy cause.  
> 
> P.S.  Mimimal techno is a firecracker.
> 


THere is good House out there!!!

 last year I moved to Chicago with this
incredible dislike of House. When a House DJ came on at the S. Fl parties
I used to go to, it was like: time to fill up your water bottle and take a
rest till the next Jungle/Breakbeat/Hard Techno DJ came on. It seemed so
heavy and monotonous compared to the complexity and speed of what we were
used to listening to. But I assure you there is good shit out there!!!
The whole experience of House is so uplifting. So communal. It's as though
each genre of music is it's own entity, capable of affecting you in a way
that's completely different and unique from the rest. I'm not quite to the
point of mass-house buying yet... But I am learning to appreciate it.

peace+pudding
--Kyle


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NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

this can't be! oh the irony! a friend from high school is getting married
_that night_ and i have to go, my last trip home before i take off for
down under. 

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkkk!!!

the last two hullabaloos were the most incredible experiences, some of the
best events i've ever attended. unbeatable vybe. family. aaaaarrrggghhh!

*shaking her fist at the sky*

=jes

ps theres even a bounce house......
*sniffle*

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Chris Samojlenko wrote:

>     HULLABALOO! 
> 
>  presents the
> 
> One-Year Birthday FUNTOPIA!!
> 
>   June 27, 1998 - Toronto, Canada
> 
>    416 - 760 - 3279
> 


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This hasn't been posted, so...
[from memory]

RISE
5.16.98


SIMON [SF]
CARLOS [SF] 
JOHN HOWARD [SF] 
DJ NITRO [KC]
RAY VELESQUEZ [KC]


info line: 816.292.2817



This is as best as I can remember. :)

peace, hugs, go to this!
andrew
[FURHTER!!!!!]


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>    I'll just throw one more log onto the fire here:
> 
>   Although it has not been posted to mw-raves yet, scheduled for the 
> same night as this event (June 27th) is Spacewalk II in Detroit. For 
> those of you who attended Spacewalk last year, I think you know why this 
> represents a small dilemma... 
> 

my dearest shane.....
as much fun as i had at spacewalk last yr, and as much as i love the dope
robotics kru, i don't think anything can compare to a hullaballoo!!  i
don't think it's a dilemma at all, if you wanna experience something
completely new go to toronto, if you wanna relive a party, stay
home.  if you wanna take my advice tho, give jason and frankie your
sincerest apologies and pack that car for your weekend roadtrip.
just my opinion.....
**doris**


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Please be advised that as of today DJ T-1000 is no longer represented by The
Moshi Company. Any upcoming events in my calendar that are booked thru them
will not be honored by me.

For any booking inquiries, contact me directly  at 313-417-4471 or e-mail at
the above address.

Apologies for any inconvienience that this may have caused.

Alan Oldham
Pure Sonik Records Detroit/Tresor Berlin

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I just talked to Frankie yesterday, and from what i remember him saying
he's not doing spacewalk.  him and jason disagreed on some things, so they
might not throw parties together anymore.  but Frankie will be throwing a
party on august 1st i believe.

also, shane - frankie bones will NOT be at spacewalk 2.  so i'm gonna
consider Hullabaloo party ;)

peace
Gary

p.s. Doris, can you email me the info for Hullabaloo, i mighta missed the
previous posts

On Wed, 13 May 1998, doris wrote:

> >    I'll just throw one more log onto the fire here:
> > 
> >   Although it has not been posted to mw-raves yet, scheduled for the 
> > same night as this event (June 27th) is Spacewalk II in Detroit. For 
> > those of you who attended Spacewalk last year, I think you know why this 
> > represents a small dilemma... 
> > 
> 
> my dearest shane.....
> as much fun as i had at spacewalk last yr, and as much as i love the dope
> robotics kru, i don't think anything can compare to a hullaballoo!!  i
> don't think it's a dilemma at all, if you wanna experience something
> completely new go to toronto, if you wanna relive a party, stay
> home.  if you wanna take my advice tho, give jason and frankie your
> sincerest apologies and pack that car for your weekend roadtrip.
> just my opinion.....
> **doris**
> 
> 


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On Wed, 13 May 1998, Gary G. wrote:
>I just talked to Frankie yesterday, and from what i remember him 
> saying he's not doing spacewalk.  him and jason disagreed on some 
>things, so they might not throw parties together anymore.  but >Frankie 
will be throwing a party on august 1st i believe.
>
>also, shane - frankie bones will NOT be at spacewalk 2.  so i'm gonna
>consider Hullabaloo party ;)
>

   Yep - I talked to Frank just before Consumed, and he said that their 
parting of ways involved Jason trying to book the biggest names 
(becoming a trend here in Detroit) instead of fucusing on the small 
details that make a party magnificent, like the chill-out room at 
Spacewalk - never seen anything like it since, unless you count 
Consumed, and we had the entire building there. 
  I gotta admit, Doris put it all in perspective - do I want to go 
forward or look back? I choose forward! Unless something revolutionary 
occurs before then, it's lookin like Hullabaloo for me.

  Peace   
         - Shane

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On Wed, 13 May 1998, Detroit Junglist wrote:

>   I gotta admit, Doris put it all in perspective - do I want to go 
> forward or look back? I choose forward! Unless something revolutionary 
> occurs before then, it's lookin like Hullabaloo for me.

happy hardcore.  the music of the future?
sure, if your name is Merlin. [c'mon all arthurian massif in the place!]

Anyway, I'll most likely be at hullabaloo representin the chambana
massif.. only one thing might draw me away (word.of.which will be
forthcoming when I confirm)

peas, 
-pete
[FiZ, rural ameriKa]


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I would definately suggest going to this party because
I've seen Carlos several times before whem I lived
in San Diego and he never failed to disappoint.  His
sets will have you muvin and gruvin the whole time
he's behind the decks.  I have heard nothing but good
things about John Howard also although I have never
seen him myself.  It's worth your time to check them out!
BTW, how much are the tickets?

Flipper


>This hasn't been posted, so...
>[from memory]

>RISE
>5.16.98


>SIMON [SF]
>CARLOS [SF] 
>JOHN HOWARD [SF] 
>DJ NITRO [KC]
>RAY VELESQUEZ [KC]


>info line: 816.292.2817





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     Hey Pete, ya planning on doing a posse thing again?  If so, I'd love 
     to join up.  Doubt I'd make the drive myself but with other peps to 
     join in it could be fun.
     
     Any chance to be persauded by more HH is a good thing.


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On Wed, 13 May 1998, Detroit Junglist wrote:
     
>   I gotta admit, Doris put it all in perspective - do I want to go 
> forward or look back? I choose forward! Unless something revolutionary 
> occurs before then, it's lookin like Hullabaloo for me.
     
happy hardcore.  the music of the future?
sure, if your name is Merlin. [c'mon all arthurian massif in the place!]
     
Anyway, I'll most likely be at hullabaloo representin the chambana 
massif.. only one thing might draw me away (word.of.which will be 
forthcoming when I confirm)
     
peas, 
-pete
[FiZ, rural ameriKa]
     

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     I would also second and third Carlos.  The man rocks!  Salsa House.  A 
     DJ with so much energy is flows to everyone.
     
     Now I assume KC is Kansis City...  guessing thats a bit too far a 
     drive from Chicago. Anyone know how far?  Or is someone going from 
     Chicago that might let me ride along?  


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I would definately suggest going to this party because 
I've seen Carlos several times before whem I lived
in San Diego and he never failed to disappoint.  His 
sets will have you muvin and gruvin the whole time 
he's behind the decks.  I have heard nothing but good 
things about John Howard also although I have never
seen him myself.  It's worth your time to check them out! 
BTW, how much are the tickets?
     
Flipper
     
     
>This hasn't been posted, so...
>[from memory]
     
>RISE
>5.16.98
     
     
>SIMON [SF]
>CARLOS [SF] 
>JOHN HOWARD [SF] 
>DJ NITRO [KC]
>RAY VELESQUEZ [KC]
     
     
>info line: 816.292.2817
     
     
     
     

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On Wed, 13 May 1998 14:43:53 -0500 "User" <godfoot@usa.net> writes:

>I would definately suggest going to this party because
>I've seen Carlos several times before whem I lived
>in San Diego and he never failed to disappoint. 

Carefully read what you just wrote and think about it.

"...never failed to disappoint." ???

I think you meant the opposite...but maybe not, read on...

I've heard him live a while back and though it was good, but more
recently I heard a tape and although the mixing and track selection was
good, his scratching (or should I say attempt at scratching) was awful. 
It completely ruined the tape.  He would just pull the beat back and
forth across the needle with no technique or style -- "wigga, wigga,
wigga, woo..." (<-- lame attempt to put the sound of a scratch into
words).  He would do it over and over during almost every song.  That
tape is definitely a disappointment.  Hopefully, if I ever see him live
again he'll have figured out how and when to scratch, or realize he
shouldn't scratch at all.

	Joe
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On 13 May 1998 ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:

>      Now I assume KC is Kansis City...  guessing thats a bit too far a 
>      drive from Chicago. Anyone know how far?  Or is someone going from 
>      Chicago that might let me ride along?  


'bout 8 hours.  lemmee tell ya, its a fun drive.  3 words: Iowa, Iowa,
Iowa    sorry, but i'm not going, if i take another road trip anytime soon
my wallet and my ass will be naught.  If you do end up going, check out
Zowie's.  Its kinda like Untitled, but in a completely different state!!
that makes it at least 10 X cooler.

			toastman


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Hey kids,


Anyone Know about even Further location?  guess its better i dont know
eh?  i dunno!  Any Parties coming up in the Madison Milewaukee,
chicago, minneapolis area cumming up soon????

--alan

Awww shit another promo plug!......

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High, **LIVE** Davros, Dj Yang....

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Anyone up for a net meet?  By the pool tables at 1:00 a.m.?




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wow, i never thought in a million years id see jetstream on mw-raves.
once again all the detroit people on this list are like, who?

respect to ya karl. i just figured out the other day that 'bananas for
hair' is *actually* a retail establishment...

semi-retired, that cant be! as i understand it, you have an obligation
to DEF 069!!! some kind of deal having to do with DEF 001?! ;)



karl kowalski wrote:

[snip]

Thanks for listening.
Jetstream (semi-retired)

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On Wed, 13 May 1998 13:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Alan <jointeffort420@yahoo.com>
writes:
>

>Anyone Know about even Further location?

I can't tell you specifically where it is, but I can say that Madison
will be closest to the site, with Chicago and Milwaukee being slightly
further.  All 3 cities are less then 2 hours from the site.

	Joe
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ok ok ok. 
I spun at Break on Through last Saturday and put my heart and soul into the
party.
I have questions for you.
I thought the lineup was phat.  all the DJs showed and played and were paid.
(Damon Wild, Ralphie Dee, Mike Huckaby, Slugo, 3D, Shaft, Trakhead and me)
an awesomely huge light show provided by mark martin.
Loud clean sound by diversified audio.
The setup was kinda cool.  A huge "BLISS Industries" Banner.  A spiny lightup
thing by the DJ, a huge wizard that hung suspended from the ceiling (weird).
Party ran from 10pm all the way till 6am.
the only problem... where was everyone?
There was only like 400 people MAX.
I know Detroit was rocking that night, but come on... it still doesn't make
sense.
There was another party that night in Chicago (Perplexed with Delta 9) and
they did even worse. I KNOW for a fact that both parties were promoted like
mad.  
The last few weeks in Chicago has had really low turnouts.  Promoters are
losing their asses right and left.  Any ideas why the low turnout?
If you were at Break on Through, what did you think about it?  Or why didn't
you go?
I'd like suggestions please.  I want to figure everything out so I can help
make things better.
thanks much,
DJ Matt Druid
http://members.aol.com/druid303

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On Wed, 13 May 1998, Druid303 wrote:

> Any ideas why the low turnout?
> Or why didn't you go?

One word:
	 FINALS.

in our scene, we need to understand that while not all ravers are k0llege
kids, a /large/ portion of them are.  And even though we party all the
time, if there is one weekend in which we will buckle down and do our
school thang, it will be the weekend before finals.

maybe I'm just a dork, but that's my take on it.

peas
-pete
[FiZ, rural ameriKa]
(back to studying for my abstract data structures exam..)


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ok dood, ive been watching you bag on detroit every possible opportunity
thats even mildly been presented to you for at LEAST the last year on
this list (what was up with wanting to see juan atkins and jeff mills in
a ditch anyway?), and to me at this point its like SHUT UP ALREADY. we
know you have some sort of stigmata between you and the motor city, you
make that part as clear as parties in chicago get busted. really, id say
its time for some new one-liner material, but anything beyond innane
babble and inside jokes isnt really 'cute' is it?

real music? opposed to what? all the fake music ive been listening to up
until now? i dont remember the last time i saw your star-studded
presence in detroit, therefore i dont understand how you can really draw
conclusions on what we are and are not capable to produce in detroit.
alton miller, theo parrish, kenny dixon jr., rick whilhite, terrence
parker, carl craig, rick wade, meredith ledger, jetstream, hatatomic,
mike huckaby, giovanni acquaviva...  too bad you werent more involved
with the detroit underground then you could understand things like
heaven after hours (r.i.p., serious respect to ken collier, peace.)
menag-a-tois saturdays, the hot box parties, but then again, if you
actually are/were around then you wouldnt be making such obscene
comments in the first place.

heheh, didnt cajual just go out of business? heheh...

i know its a free public forum, so its like if all youre gonna do is bag
on detroit, im gonna exercise my freedom to tell you to SHUT UP with the
unsubstantiated claims.



PHILFART wrote:

[snip]

House music...



Detroit...leave house music alone and let Chicagoans make real
music.....

hahahahahaha!!

[/snip]

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On 5/13/98, blarfunkular (dgroove@juno.com) amazingly wrote the following
tezzagipshunt:



>I can't tell you specifically where it is, but I can say that Madison
>will be closest to the site, with Chicago and Milwaukee being slightly
>further.  All 3 cities are less then 2 hours from the site.

Yeah, I guess us peeps around the MPLS/St Paul area don't count any more.  ;)





                                   jp
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On 5/13/98, blarfunkular (Peter Mannix) amazingly wrote the following
tezzagipshunt:



>One word:
>	 FINALS.

Or even worse, critiques.  (just the art fag in me I guess.. )


>And even though we party all the
>time, if there is one weekend in which we will buckle down and do our
>school thang, it will be the weekend before finals.

Isn't procrastination great?

>maybe I'm just a dork, but that's my take on it.

If you're studing abstract data structures, yep.. you're a dork.  ;)

>(back to studying for my abstract data structures exam..)

back to finishing up my typography and graphic design projects..


ps,

	GOOD LUCK ON FINALS EVERYONE.  (if you're not in school, enjoy the
weather or something...)




                                   jp
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pure and metro present:
  Deluxe: Urban Jungle
Friday May 15th 1998 

  with a live performance by:
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  BROTHERS (NYC) 

  dj sets by:
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  plus very special guest emcee, from Los Angels by
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  11pm - 04am
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>Yeah, I guess us peeps around the MPLS/St Paul area don't count any 
>more.  ;)

havent for  a while, by the looks of things passed...  ;)

jawsh!

np: d'headbanga - 'we.will.all.knock.you.down'

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ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:
> 
>      I would also second and third Carlos.  The man rocks!  Salsa House.  A
>      DJ with so much energy is flows to everyone.
> 
>      Now I assume KC is Kansis City...  guessing thats a bit too far a
>      drive from Chicago. Anyone know how far?  Or is someone going from
>      Chicago that might let me ride along?
> 

KC does stand for Kansas City and it is an 8- 8 1/2 hour drive to KC
from Chicago (going via St. Louis). I know there are some Chicago ppl
planning on coming down for this, but I don't know who they are. Maybe
Paul (from the list is going??) 

This IS a phat lineup, worthy of Chicago, but not a style of house I
have ever seen in a lineup there. The promoter is on the up-and-up, the
venue is legal and the DJs are friends of his, so they'll show. Check it
out if you can!

-- Robin
High-R Frequencies magazine
Kansas City

>

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In a message dated 98-05-13 18:29:05 EDT, you write:

>  And even though we party all the
>  time, if there is one weekend in which we will buckle down and do our
>  school thang, it will be the weekend before finals.
>  
>  maybe I'm just a dork, but that's my take on it.

wise thinking if that's the case.  

the finals for my first quarter at DePaul were during the same weekend as
Sonic Groove last November... i partied hard, stayed out 'til 2pm on Sunday,
took some bad pills... put off papers and studying so i could recover the next
days... and was slammed by the most stressful, crazy week of my young life.
bad idea...

don't go ravin' 'til all yer work is done...

NAH!!!


cheers
Blue

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On Wed, 13 May 1998, Robin Urmanic wrote:

> ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:
> > 
> >      I would also second and third Carlos.  The man rocks!  Salsa House.  A
> >      DJ with so much energy is flows to everyone.
> > 
> >      Now I assume KC is Kansis City...  guessing thats a bit too far a
> >      drive from Chicago. Anyone know how far?  Or is someone going from
> >      Chicago that might let me ride along?
> 
> KC does stand for Kansas City and it is an 8- 8 1/2 hour drive to KC
> from Chicago (going via St. Louis). I know there are some Chicago ppl

7 if you do it right and go through Iowa at 85 the whole damn way. 

Nyah. :P

peace, hugs,
andrew




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>I can't tell you specifically where it is, but I can say that Madison
>will be closest to the site, with Chicago and Milwaukee being slightly
>further.
--
don't you mean furth_u_r?

=P

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In a message dated 98-05-13 18:43:08 EDT, you write:

> 
>    11pm - 04am
>    18 + over
>    $12 gen admission
>    $10 pure plus members

2 q's... 1.) can someone tell me again about how to get a Pure Plus
membership??  it sounded lame at first, but now i realize i'd rather spend
that extra $2 on water or something.  2.) is there anything posted about the
Deluxe events for next month??

btw, though last Friday night obviously lacked the vibe of a real party,
Derrick Carter's gorgeous set was worth the tix in itself, and Atkins was
magic as always.  i'm totally digging just going out and locking into the
music itself and nothing else.  i'll definitely be at the JungleBros. night
and the Majesty Records tour, if that's still happening.  

cheers
Blue

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Kay, look, I really wanna go to Furthur but I have no idea about where,
when or even a clear idea of what I should bring... 

hkaeKP[pegankjl;llj;sjOdysseas Ladopouloshkhjfhjfjlflj


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     I found Dimension 5 and Shakta on CD-Now, but they want $40 bucks.  
     Anyone know of a cheaper place to get them?  


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
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Author:  raverg-owner-ALAN.D.HUDSON=monsanto.com@hyperreal.org at INTERNET
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On Wed, 13 May 1998 tsnake@rhombus.net wrote:
     
> > With all this talk of Goa trance - which I love - I seemed to have missed 
> > whether ya'll are talking about DJ rekkids or CDs.
> 
> Unless there's been a serious change in the goa scene, it's still mostly 
> DAT...BUT
     
DAT's to goaheads are kinda like dub plates to junglists.. :)
     
> > Any recommendations for good Goa CDs for us non-DJs?  I'll take general 
> > recommendations, but I also like the hard/dark/spooky Goa.
> 
> Well, in the goa layman's eyes, the Concepts in Dance series was pretty 
> damn good. I just love Man With No Name.
     
Goa Spirit 2; Dance, Trance and Magic Plants; TIP Singles 3; Funk 
(Symbiosis); all rock!  If you like the hard/dark stuff I'd check out 
Dimension 5 and UX especially.. also Shakta: Silicon Trip.
     
hope that helps!
     
pez,
brother gabe,
church of goa
boston chapter :)
     

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mw-raves-owner-godfoot=usa.net@hyperreal.org wrote:
>      I would also second and third Carlos.  The man rocks!  Salsa House.  A 
>      DJ with so much energy is flows to everyone.
>      
>      Now I assume KC is Kansis City...  guessing thats a bit too far a 
>      drive from Chicago. Anyone know how far?  Or is someone going from 
>      Chicago that might let me ride along?  
> 
> 

Salsa house? that's a new one on me.  In my opinion, Carlos can't really be pigeonholed into one particular genre because every time
I heard him spin in Cali, (6-7 times) he was spinning different styles.  Sometimes he even mixed and matched which is not normally
recommended unless you have propa skillz.  Well I'm here to tell ya,
he got dem skillz.  And then some.  I don't think I sat down more than a total of 10-15 minutes, and that figure includes ALL his sets.  He had me dancing when I thought I was too tired to dance any more.
Anyway, if anybody on the list is close enough, I must recommend that ayou go.  I only hope that he doesn't have any serious competition that night elsewhere.  The way I see it, it would have to be a hella huge lineup to draw me away.

Peace!

Flipper     



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>Kay, look, I really wanna go to Furthur but I have no idea about where,
>when or even a clear idea of what I should bring...
--
if you've ever camped before, use your best judgement. here are a few other
things to keep in mind:

just make sure ALL your shit is weatherproof. that means waterproof AND
windproof.

i know it's hard, but try to keep the place clean. if you have garbage in
your hand, instead of just dropping it, maybe look for a garbage recepticle
(the tents of enemies work just fine).  staying late on monday to help with
cleanup is a wonderful gesture. but then again, you've paid your $25 so no
one really expects you to do either of those two things. it just has a nice
feeling to it.

like i said before, G O R E T E X   B O O T S. they and a good rain poncho
are two of the most valuble items for furthur and any camping trip.

LAWNCHAIRS ARE A MUST. alot of the time it's gonna feel like a big tailgate
party, so be ready to kick back. if you bring more than one, don't expect
them all to go home with you. along with chairs, it's nice to have a bit of
shelter to chill under in case of rain (it _will_ rain). tarps are cool but
if you don't have them built up well, they like to blow away. even better
are those rain canopy party tent/room things that they sell at farm and
fleet.

basically just go to a surplus store or an outdoors supply store and spend
some duckets.

in a cooler, dry ice lasts longer than ice ice. it's a good thing to bring
two coolers; one for perishables, and one for ice storage. fill it with ice
ice and throw in a couple of chunks of dry ice to keep the whole shebang
cold. make sure there is an airtight seal.

if you don't already have one, a camping coffee pot/percolator is a great
addition. you'd be really surprised how groggy people perk up in the
morning as soon as they smell fresh coffee. mmmmm.

if you have a mountain bike, bringing it might be a good idea. do bring a
lock though.

hey now, one thing i almost forgot: TOILET PAPER! we all know how bathrooms
and portolets tend to run out early on. i'm not talking about a damn case
from sam's club or anything. unless you poop alot, one roll of the t.p.
should suffice.

i think by next year we could all have laptops and could organize a
computer-geek camp where we could set up a network with cables running all
over the dang festival. on second thought, no. but, since this year there
are alot of ideas being borrowed from burning man, why not have somebody
bring a copier and a case of paper and publish a daily newspaper. massive
kids care to bite this hook?

that is all my feeble mind can conjure up right now. work it.
--
j111

np: CONCEPT 1 "96:CD"

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Okay okay...my bad. I was inna a pissy mood and I opened my mouth and stuck my
foot innit. I might at well say that at least the talent in Detroit pretty
much stays there and doesn't move to..the UK or California. Respect to that.
As far as Detroit & House music...well..I still like listening to old Kevin
Saunderson stuff. That  and Strings of Life & Nude Photo still rock to this
day. 

I apologize to Detroit...for real.

Phil

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blah blah blah hullabaloo blah blah blah vibe blah blah blah


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dica! wrote:
> 
> blah blah blah hullabaloo blah blah blah vibe blah blah blah

wuzzat you say Kenny??

> blah blah blah hullabaloo blah blah blah vibe blah blah blah

no!! Doormouse isn't happy hardcore...

> blah blah blah hullabaloo blah blah blah vibe blah blah blah

but you'll only go if he's playing??

> blah blah blah hullabaloo blah blah blah vibe blah blah blah

well... yeah... I'd have to say I agree with you there...

> blah blah blah hullabaloo blah blah blah vibe blah blah blah

I won't be going to Hullabaloo either...

-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
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we're already up to the 12th ele_ment.  it's been a long road, with a lot
more ele_ments to go!  again, this series is intended to bring the live
performance of electronic music to the center of the electronic music
experience. 

this time out the event will be a bit more on the dance music side,
beginning at 11 PM with a performance by ele_veteran DAC CROWELL, debuting
a new setup of completely new techno material, similar in style to his
offering for the "trace elemtns 3" ep recently released by the 21/22 corp. 
at around 12 midnight, kevin ginger will take over as VALENCE, performing
all-new noise-oriented deep techno.  following kevin will be STEWART BROWN
making his ele_mental event debut performing a variety of
techno-influenced music.  akron's HESOHI, also making his ele_ment debut,
brings the performance end of the event to a close with his trademark deep
house sound.

then, around 3 AM, MORGAN GEIST takes over on the DJ tip, playing a fun
set of quirky, funky techno, house, and disco to keep the party rolling. 
LAWRENCE BLACK makes his mark with hip-hop influenced drum'n'bass rhythms,
and DELCINA makes her DJ debut with a set of hard house to end the event. 

the location is easy to find.  it's at THE RICE PADDY compound, at the SE
corner of 11th ave and grant st, inside the fenced-in lot.  those of you
who attended DARKSIDE 4 in 1996 or .ION. in 97 may remember this space. 
but we're not using that part of that warehouse this time, since THE RICE
PADDY motorcycle shop is now in full swing.  instead, we are using the
space immediately across from the paddy.

for parking, please be aware that on-site parking will only be for
performers and helpers.  everyone else will have to park on the grassy lot
immediately north of the rice paddy compound, or simply find the open lots
just beyond the railroad bridge E of the intersection of grant/11th ave. 
then simply walk back towards campus and enter into the fenced in lot,
follow the music from there. 

to get there from OSU campus, simply take 11th ave past n 4th st, and the
next light will be grant.  the compound is on the right.  from i-71 simply
get off at the 11th ave exit and drive W towards campus, park on the lots
just before the railroad bridge.  walk under the bridge and go L at the
corner of grant/11th ave, enter the fenced-in lot and follow the music. 

music from 11 PM - 6 AM, and get there before midnight because it's only
$6.00 before midnight, or $9.00 after.


the e-flyer:


ELE_MENT: MAGNESIUM                     an ele_mental presentation
SYMBOL: (Mg)
ATOMIC NUMBER: 12
ATOMIC WEIGHT: 24.093

friday 15 may 1998 - columbus ohio

an evening of live electronic performances, featuring:

 atmospheric techno by
   DAC CROWELL (aerodyne works / 21.22 - champaign, IL)

        minimal techno by kevin ginger as
          VALENCE (ele_mental / 21.22 - columbus)

              experimental techno by
                STEWART BROWN (k)nob - columbus)

                  live deep house by
                     HESOHI (luv thang - akron)

DJ sets:

   deep house / synth disco
       MORGAN GEIST (environ / clear / metamorphic - NJ)

         junglistic rhythms        
           LAWRENCE BLACK (columbus)

             hard house
                DELCINA (sweet v / ele_mental - columbus)

music from 11 PM - 6 AM
admission only $6.00 before 12 midnight, $9.00 after
located at 1454 n. grant st, corner of 11th ave and grant, just E of OSU
campus

for more detailed directions & info consult
the table of ele_ments: 614 470 0929
http://ele-mental.coil.com/what.will.be/

++
e d

ele-mental.coil.com/












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FRIDAY MAY 15TH, 1998

ELECTRIC KOOL-AID

featuring the first appearence of

DJ KANE
(RENEGADE HARDWARE, CONGO AND NATTY, TROUBLE ON VINYL, JOKER)
ALONGSIDE
THE MC BRACE
(JVC CREW MINN.)

ALONG WITH CHICAGO'S JUNGLE SUPPORT SQUAD

DJ 3D
(FORTE, GHETTO SAFARI, KULT BOX, HYPNOTIC)

SNUGGLES
(FORTE, 89.3, KULT BOX, DGC)

DJ KID ENTROPY
(COSMIC BREAKS, HYPNOTIC, FORTE)

DJ R-YN
(MOTAHROLLAHZ, FORTE)

DJ FLOW
(KONKRETE JUNGLE, FORTE, HYPNOTIC)

AND THE RETURN OF CHICAGO'S ORIGINATOR

THE R.P. SMACK
(RIPE)

ALONGSIDE MC'S BRACE AND SUBZERO

BRINGING IN THE HOUSE

DJ TRAXX
MARK ALMARIA
JOHN BREAK IT DOWN

INFOLINE:  312-409-3422

ALSO ON THE RADIO 92.7 12 - 2 MAY 15TH.... BROCKOUT RADIO PRESENTS
A SPECIAL NIGHT... FEATURING THE DJ KANE AND THE DJ KID ENTROPY LIVE IN THE
STUDIO FOR TWO SPECIAL WHITE LABEL SETS PREVIEWING SUCH NEW TRACKS AS... DOPE
DRAGON'S "COMBUSTION E.P.", SHY-FX'S "BAMBATA"  FAC'S PROMO ON TROUBLE ON
VINYL, AS WELL AS DANNY BREAK'S VERSUS DILLINJAH'S AMON TOBIN REMIXES.  

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADVERTISE ON 92.7 DUBSHACK RADIO PLEASE RING UP
847-604-1983.

respect

ENTROPIZ

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<< FRIDAY MAY 15TH, 1998
 
 ELECTRIC KOOL-AID
  >>

wow -- there are flyers circulating my high school for this in cow towne,
IL....  i see humour in this...
-marisa.

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At 02:25 AM 5/14/98 -0500, dica! wrote:
>blah blah blah hullabaloo blah blah blah vibe blah blah blah

why did i almost piss myself laughing at this? why?  it's thruday 
morning...tanksh dica.


Gip


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I was just wondering how many people were planning on going.
I know that I for one am going with a caravan of three+ cars and am very 
excited. I can't wait to dance my tail off. I am going to be giving away 
BlowPops in a jack-o-lantern so if you see me grab a bunch and pass 
among friends. Hope to see all my Detroit friends.

sara

>Full Circle presents:
>Aquavelvet
>Detroit
>5.16.98
>
>Nigel Richards
>Dieselboy
>Huggie
>Traxx
>Trevor Lamont
>Acetate
>Wax Taxin' Dre and Disco D
>Recoil
>Chris Rockwell
>Mike Brickner
>Dru
>007
>
>(all djs 100% confirmed, none flying Northwest except Trevor Lamont, 
who
>hopefully will still make it)
>
>2 room event, capacity 1000 people (get there early to ensure entrance, 
we
>will probably reach capacity early)
>
>10 pm - 6 am
>
>313.438.2719
>
>Cheap water, free candy, ice and snacks
>
>Lights by Abstrakt, sound by Burst
>
>Paid secured parking lot available, as well as free street parking
>
>Presale tickets $15 at GroovyTrain in Berkely (now through Friday May
>15th) and Dubplate Pressure at 229 E. Liberty in Ann Arbor (only open
>Friday May 15th 3pm - midnight) and In the Mixx - Toledo (tommorow 
night
>through Friday May 15th).  
>
>Afterhours (6 am- noon at least) : Eros at 20 Chatham street in 
Windsor,
>they'll be charging few bucks, we'll provide the djs:  Eclipse 6-7 or 
so
>doing techno, 8en doing jungle, Traxx said he'd be doing another 
lighter
>house set, plus several more djs from the party and whatever Detroit 
djs
>show up.  It will be very chill (Eros is an afterhours club that is
>basically a big cement dance floor surounded by soft chairs and 
couches,
>for those that haven't been there, it is perfect for an afterparty).  
Of
>course, be careful crossing the border - don't bring anything illegal 
to
>the party either, including weapons, markers, alcohol, or drugs.  You 
can
>bring in sealed water bottles though.
>
>Also if you are driving from someplace like Chicago, cleveland or 
Toronto,
>show you're i.d. and get in for $15 at the door.
>
>that's it, see you there!
>
>Flyer @ http://www.designmafia.com/portfolio/aquav.html


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     Why does this event end at 4am?  Is that when the Metro closes?
     
     I like the idea of this party, but it definately ends on the early 
     side.  Anyone have any good/bads info about this party/space/promoter?
     
     Send it too me private email so as not to start too many flame wars :(
     
     -Giles


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pure and metro present:
  Deluxe: Urban Jungle
Friday May 15th 1998 
     
  with a live performance by:
    THE JUNGLE
  BROTHERS (NYC) 
     
  dj sets by:
    DJ WALLY (NYC)
    PHANTOM 45 &
  DANNY THE WILDCHILD (4 turntable set) 
     
  plus very special guest emcee, from Los Angels by 
  way of the U.K.:
    M.C. ? (emcee question mark)
     
  11pm - 04am
  18 + over
  $12 gen admission
  $10 pure plus members
     
metro 3730 N. Clark Chicago
312.409.PURE info
773.549.0203 directions

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     Look at the Drop Bass Network home page, sorry I don't have the 
     address.  Or you could always ask Satan for help.
     
     
     E


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Kay, look, I really wanna go to Furthur but I have no idea about where, 
when or even a clear idea of what I should bring... 
     
hkaeKP[pegankjl;llj;sjOdysseas Ladopouloshkhjfhjfjlflj
     
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house party ...

hey, i'm having a house party this saturday (may 14th) .. tables, local
djs, good time to be had by all, etc., etc., so if you are in the grand
rapids area (or not?) and want some directions, email me before 5PM (est.)
tommorow .. 

see ya!

art

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On Wed, 13 May 1998, OD wrote:

> Kay, look, I really wanna go to Furthur but I have no idea about where,
> when or even a clear idea of what I should bring... 

Why do people get so freaked about this?  Plan to spend the whole weekend 
at the event and continue to call 414.256.1733 for updates and such.  If 
you check http://http://hyperreal.org/raves/mw/mwravescalendar and find 
the Furthur info there are a bunch of other v-mail lines and record 
stores selling advanced tickets.

Good luck!

- Steven



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
http://barkingcat.org		|	- William of Occam (c1285-1349)


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At 11:00 AM 5/14/98 -0400, Arthur Schryburt wrote:

>hey, i'm having a house party this saturday (may 14th) 

which year cuz by my estimation, saturday may 14th won't occur until the 
next century.  ;-)


Gip


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> which year cuz by my estimation, saturday may 14th won't occur until the 
> next century.  ;-)
> 

opps .. make that the 16th

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Attention U.S. Raving Massive!

As a service to all the heads out there that cannot receive our signal 
through the radio, BPM in NYC (every THURSDAY night, 10:30 pm till 1 
am)can now be received through REAL AUDIO from our website at: 

             -----=> http://www.wnyu.org/bpm <=-----

No matter how stuck out in the middle you might be, BPM can stream to 
your ears without delay. Peep it out!

Below you will find the ad for this weeks show: from the Sonic Groove 
Crew - HEATHER HEART AND READE TRUTH

Bigup! 
Gregory Neu 
BPM - WNYU - NYC 89.1 FM

Please do not reply to this e-mail to this e-mail address. It will not 
be read! Instead, please respond with any comments/suggestions to 
gan3@columbia.edu. Thanks!

---------------------------------------------------------


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                 Be sure to catch Sonic Groove's techno veterans


                 HEATHER HEART & READE TRUTH


              -----------------------------------


Yo celebrate our 2 year anniversary, BPM and TWILO will team up on 
Friday June 19th to bring the "true sound of the underground" - on a 
dancefloor - with special guest dj's and the whole BPM posse. Be there!! 
You can be put on our guest list by replying to this mail. 


I am excited about this event, since we'll finally get to meet many of 
our listeners-this party will be yours!  Do not forget about our new 
monthly show with the V recordings crew straight outta London - May 
28th: Bryan Geeeeee and Jumpin Jack Frost!


Thanks for the mad support to: Satellite Records NY; www.cductive.com;
www.streetsound.com; Flyer Magazine; Greg N.; Alison (Chappy); Andy D.; 
Roy; Tatiana; all the record labels; agents; dj's; promoters and 
LISTENERS worldwide!

Peace, neil aline

______________________________________________________
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that girl productions (314-995-9518)
may 16, st louis, mo 

the majest tour.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
|steve stoll -  live|
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

-djs:
. .:joey beltram:. .        .
. .:mike dearborn:. .     .  
. .:skull:. .  .     .         
. .:echo:. .  .     .            

-stl house nation:
phil decker
mark buxton
dino
luan


$17
(please come) : )

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ADDITION to previous post!!! This just in:

New BPM Resident DJ Tai-Sun (NYC) will be warming up your ears for the 
show with some funky house, hard trance, or whatever he feels like 
dropping at 10pm EST. (a half hour before the show starts) The show will 
start at 10:30, when Neil Aline hits the decks to drop some of his 
latest soulful, jazzy tracks on you. To listen to the show, simply load 
up the url found below (www.wnyu.org/bpm)

I apologize for the re-post, but Tai-Sun is not to be missed!

-Neu

****************************************************************

Attention U.S. Raving Massive!

As a service to all the heads out there that cannot receive our signal 
through the radio, BPM in NYC (every THURSDAY night, 10:30 pm till 1 
am)can now be received through REAL AUDIO from our website at: 

             -----=> http://www.wnyu.org/bpm <=-----

No matter how stuck out in the middle you might be, BPM can stream to 
your ears without delay. Peep it out! Below you will find the ad for 
this weeks show: from the Sonic Groove Crew - 

            ***** HEATHER HEART AND READE TRUTH *****

Bigup! 
Gregory Neu BPM - WNYU - NYC 89.1 FM

Please do not reply to this e-mail to this e-mail address. It will not 
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---------------------------------------------------------

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                 HEATHER HEART & READE TRUTH

              -----------------------------------

To celebrate our 2 year anniversary, BPM and TWILO will team up on 
Friday June 19th to bring the "true sound of the underground" - on a 
dancefloor - with special guest dj's and the whole BPM posse. Be there!! 
You can be put on our guest list by replying to this mail. 

I am excited about this event, since we'll finally get to meet many of 
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Thanks for the mad support to: Satellite Records NY; www.cductive.com;
www.streetsound.com; Flyer Magazine; Greg N.; Alison (Chappy); Andy D.; 
Roy; Tatiana; all the record labels; agents; dj's; promoters and 
LISTENERS worldwide!

Peace, neil aline

______________________________________________________
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serious respect to you phil for being human. that rules. 

the relationship is back on - detroit still loves chicago! were havin a
party, philfreeart is opening and tronik house is headlining at the
packard plant for $5!!!

wouldnt that be fun ;)


np: kms019  todays people - set your body free

PHILFART wrote:
> 
> Okay okay...my bad. I was inna a pissy mood and I opened my mouth and stuck my
> foot innit. I might at well say that at least the talent in Detroit pretty
> much stays there and doesn't move to..the UK or California. Respect to that.
> As far as Detroit & House music...well..I still like listening to old Kevin
> Saunderson stuff. That  and Strings of Life & Nude Photo still rock to this
> day.
> 
> I apologize to Detroit...for real.

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We are at it again! :D

http://www.dlab.com/jasons/spacebass.html

_jason

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datamyte wrote:

> Rebecca Jane Meyer wrote:
>
> > Right, sue because you don't like someone's opinion... you are a real
> > pillar of the scene.
> >
>
> I guess I should have made it clearer that I was being fecicious. I do not care
> to
> sue or not to sue, that is the point. I guess if I was a Corporation I would have
> an agenda
> that would be clear, but since I am individual, my agenda will be non-agenda.

I got that you were being facetious. Your agenda will be non-agenda? If you say
so...What precisely is your agenda, if you would be so kind as to enlighten me?

> Does anyone see the relationship between a corporate event like this( yes
> IndenpenDance TM's
> agenda is pretty clear) and some other corporate agenda. Will we start buying
> stock in promotion
> companies? Will we all have "rave" credit cards and bonus club points?

Yes and Yes, to your questions. You seem to be very angry at anyone making money.Who
exactly do like? By the way, here's an excerpt that explains, in anger you may
be able to associate with, what IndepenDance™'s agenda REALLY is, no matter what
conspiracy theories you have about stockholders wanting to ruin your life...

[excerpt]
---Dustin A Sledgianowski <hyperaver@juno.com> wrote:
>
> hi i sent in a tape to dave
> i was wondering if he got it
> my name is dustin
> my tape says the sapphrite on it
> if you know please email me back
> thank you
> dustin

Yup. We got the tape.
   Unfortunately, we pushed the event back a year because, quite frankly, too many
of the labels were backed with corporate money, as independent labels (such as
Calico "the remix people", a label I own and operate in my spare time) are highly
suspicious of corporate involvement, whereas corporations are suspicious of a lack
of corporate involvement. Only the corporate wigs can really fund the best event in
U.S. history; only the independents can make it something that still belongs to us,
and is at a price we can all afford. FUCK a $250 ticket like winter music
conference, the price alone stops all the real A&Rs that go from finding 90% of the
real talent, and so the talent works at Burger King and someone with the money to go
to WMC gets five figure royalty checks. This shit is for the people, and unless I
can give our country a nationwide event by the people, for the people, and of the
people, just like our fucking country is SUPPOSED to be, our nation's Independence
Day is worth raggedy goddamn fuck. BURN A FLAG AND GET READY FOR NEXT YEAR.

 Sorry, had to get that off my chest. Your tape will still be considered fully, if
you want you can resubmit this winter. Have a happy summer.

 E Pluribus Unum,

 Paul Sullivan, C.O.O. IndepenDance Prod., Inc.
[end excerpt]

>
>
> I wouldn't sue because that would bring me to their level. If you bought tickets
> and don't want
> a $20 credit, what do you do?   That's why I.M.H.O buying pre-sale tickets-
> unless you are
> 100% sure everythings legit, and  and you've investigated the cause you're going
> to invest your
> hard earned bucks in - is kind of a gamble. (FURTHER- there's no question about
> it)

What's wrong with getting your money back and a free presale ticket to another
party? Most of the time,when someone sells too many presale tickets, they don't
offer to pay people back, much less pay their way
in to a party of the person's choice. Further was damn cold and busted the first
year, two international acts
didn't show the second year, and last year (#4) it wasn't even "huge". I loved it
the first two years, but
that's because I enjoy enduring hardship for something I enjoy, and that takes
spiritual fortitude, which is
talked about more than it is acted upon. Not everyone loves to camp in cold, wet
rural Wisconsin or hot, dusty,
northeastern Ohio - some people like A/C, easy access to dining, lodging, and - ahem
- showers.

> I'm really not sure what Paul's intentions are, I've never met him. But, it seems
> pretty clear
> to me that the intentions of IndepenDance productions are to cash in on the
> marketing of the
> scene. This is my opinion, and yours may differ completely.

I have dumped $25k into this damn event, got paid jack shit, had to push it back a
year, and you have the goddamnnerve to "opine" that a company I own 40% of, that we
are in some way trying to "cash in" on the fact that we've
been pouring our sweat, money, and souls into this scene, most of us for five to ten
years and now we feel that all
the independent artists like ourselves deserve a forum in front of MTV, Big Fucking
Corporation Anonymous and
your own parents, on radio, the internet, and sattelite television to show that
we're a genre of music that has been
sitting in the shadows for way too long, working way too hard for not enough, and
we're AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN
what the biggest labels in the world can find. I know a dozen motherfuckers as good
as Daft Punk who can prove it,
on stage or in a studio, right here and now, and I think you do, too. Quite yer
bitchin' and step to center stage, please.
That's my opinion, and yours may differ completely.
If you want to meet me, or talk to me, call me, I left my phone number.

> i am, i be..
> i'm only me
>
> onelove.
> noble

    E Pluribus Unum,

    Paul Sullivan, C.O.O. IndepenDance Productions, Inc.
    phone:   513.242.4343
    fax:        513.242.5054
    e-mail:    calicohq@iac.net    or    idpi@one.net

P.S. This was only public because your post was, I prefer to have such discussions
in private.


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It isn't always strobes at parties/clubs that give people seizures, but
they are a primary cause.  And when it comes to lighting, it isn't JUST
strobes.  Trackspots can do it with their shutters, and so can Ibeams,
Cybers, 1220's, 218's, HPE's, ANYTHING with a rapid shutter.

Lighting jocks, keep an eye on the crowd for people that may be reacted
adversely (as compared to the 'normal' problems)

Also, some people are allergic to oil-based foggers and hazers, be
respectful of that as well. LeMaitre makes VERY good water-based hazers
for a decent cost.

EVERYONE, try and remember ear-plugs too, ja?  I don't want you all losing
your hearing....

seth

Here are the articles:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

MY 14 YR. OLD DAUGHTER WAS ATTENDING A DANCE PARTY AND A
STROPE LIGHT CAME ON. SHE PASSED OUT AND FELL DOWN (NO
CONVULSIONS) AND DIDN'T REMEMBER HER FRIENDS TALKING TO HER
FOR THE NEXT 15 MIN. THE DOC RAN AN EEG AND SAID SHE SHOWED
EPILEPTIC TENDENCIES WHEN THE EEG STROBE EFFECT CAME ON. HE
HAS RECOMMENDED DEPAKOTE. I WONDER IF IT MIGHT BE WISER TO
WAIT AND SEE IF SHE EVER SHOWS ANOTHER SIGN OF EPILEPSY.
SHE DOES AVOID STROBE LIGHTS NOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK? 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I WOULD WONDER WHY SHE WAS PUT ON RIGHT AWAY, I WOULD HAVE 
HAVE THOUGHT THAT DILANTIN WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST DRUG.
I WOULD ALSO GET A SECOND OP.
GOOD LUCK JIM 

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I have to agree with the others. I would wait it out and see what happens.
Hopefully it was just the strobe lights. I don't understand though why
Depakote would be a first med choice for the doctor. In my opinion, it
should be a last.
Good luck, Kelly 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hi,
My son at age of 7 had his first seizure 2 days after a car accident but
not supposedly from car accident. I don't think a seizure trigger like a
strobe light and my son's
are the same by any rate we chose not to put our son on medication. Our
neuro informed us that he had a 50% change of having a seizure, so we
opted not to
medicate. Then 18 month later after sleep deprivation he had a seizure at
school. We again opted not to medicate for we thought that drug side
effects were a lot to
deal with when it had been 18 months between seizures. Then 2 days later
another, we then medicated and he has been on tegretol ever since 1 year
now. He seems
to a different child sometimes mood wise and if medicine is not keep in
his system evenly, meaning doses spaced apart at very regular 12 hour
intervals he is more
moody,tired, dizzie etc. I feel we will be on medication for sometime
since he is diganosed with right temporal lobe. But I am still glad we
tired to go unmedicated in
the beginning it gave us the assurance that yes medication was going to be
necessary, just as I am sure in the future we will given the opportunity
to wean off
medication, since his seizures are completely controlled. If this proves
to be sucessful we will glad we let him try medication free, if it proves
to unsuccessful, we will
be glad we tried to attain a life medicine free. Epilepsy is trail and
error and I strongly encourage you to roll with it and teach your daughter
to roll with it. At first I
was only confident with a baby monitor on our son when I wasn't with him.
Recently I let him swim at a rec center with a friend and lifegaurds
present while I was
engaged in another activity. It takes time and a lot of pysch stuff. Stay
intune to your daughter at her very tender age, be her friend more than
you would in a
traditional mother daughter relationship and you will see blessings in
your relationship. We have educated a lot of his friends and the adults in
his life about epilepsy,
your daughter may need your help to do this. Offer your help but let her
call the shots, but don't forget to give her the opportunity often. We
used a video about
epilepsy rented from the library to share with others when my son wanted
to. He even formed a club, a group of people he felt he could depend on
when I wasn't
there, just in case. He is not yet a teen but I know that we would not be
as close if it weren't for having this horrible thing to deal with. I wish
you much success and
back to the orginal point you may want to ask your doctor the percentage
of chance of another seizure involved in your daughters particular
epilepsy.
Wishing you well,
Pam

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If your daughter has had no other symptoms I would wait
to put her on drugs. Once you start a drug program you
will be committed to it for a good while. Does she have
any eye twitching or flutters, seems to day dream a lot, etc?
Be an informed parent. My son even had a seizure while
driving on vacation. The shadows from the sun as we
were traveling affected him, now wears good sunglasses.
Be an observant informed parent! You might also want
to talk to teachers to see if they have noticed anything.
Good Luck,
Mary 

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does anyone know of a net meet happenin @ step into a world (may 16 in   
cincy)?  never met any of ya netravers. . .wanna see if yer a pretty as   
ya read  :)

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did anyone go to this?
if so how was woody& juan atkins?

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> It isn't always strobes at parties/clubs that give people seizures, but
> they are a primary cause.  And when it comes to lighting, it isn't JUST
> strobes.  
> 
I've had a first had experience w/ massive lighting messing with me.  At
TerrorNova (St. Louis, Halloween), being competely sober, the lights during
Dearborn's set sent me off kilter.  I was very disillusioned to my location
and where I was going, not to mention I felt like I was about to float off
the floor.  I almost fell over b/c of it.  Kind of a cool feeling though.  

It is pretty crazy how lights/colors can really screw w/ the mind.  wheee!

hugs & smiles,
angel O:)

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A rather positive step in the war against some drugs occured on May 9th, 
1998 in Chilton, WI...according to my local newspaper.
It says right here that an 11 year old boy called the police and said 
that his parents had drugs in the house.  It turns out that under a 
matress in the parents room where a baggie or pot, a baggie containing 
4.5 grams of cocaine, and 812 bucks.
The fathers vehicle contained 3 bricks of marijuana wrapped in duct 
tape, adding up to a total of more than 1.5 kilos(4 1/2 pounds for those 
who don't know).  And other scattered paraphenalia and probably some 
roaches left around the house.

Now lets hear it for the D.A.R.E program.  Makes me wonder if the kid 
will continue a drug and alcohol free life, or will he take after his 
parents in high school?

Food for thought

Jesse

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i'm sure he will continue to be a faithful watchdog of the government, whose
innocence is now forever tainted by the brainwashing of america's children.
anyone remember the Hitler Youth?

peace
chris

Jesse Settle wrote:

> A rather positive step in the war against some drugs occured on May 9th,
> 1998 in Chilton, WI...according to my local newspaper.
> It says right here that an 11 year old boy called the police and said
> that his parents had drugs in the house.  It turns out that under a
> matress in the parents room where a baggie or pot, a baggie containing
> 4.5 grams of cocaine, and 812 bucks.
> The fathers vehicle contained 3 bricks of marijuana wrapped in duct
> tape, adding up to a total of more than 1.5 kilos(4 1/2 pounds for those
> who don't know).  And other scattered paraphenalia and probably some
> roaches left around the house.
>
> Now lets hear it for the D.A.R.E program.  Makes me wonder if the kid
> will continue a drug and alcohol free life, or will he take after his
> parents in high school?
>
> Food for thought
>
> Jesse




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well there sonny, what about drugs... are they gonna pat me down cus I was
thinking about bringing about a ounce o erb and a quarter-sheet...

dodoodododododododo

>plus anything youd bring to go to a party



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On Thu, 14 May 1998, Chris Jensen wrote:

> i'm sure he will continue to be a faithful watchdog of the government, whose
> innocence is now forever tainted by the brainwashing of america's children.
> anyone remember the Hitler Youth?

I wouldn't be so sure about that...after he spends the next few years 
without a father or mother? Or in foster care...and then one day he 
smokes dope and is like "this is what kept me from having a happy family?
I didn't know they were gonna take daddy away..."



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> > i'm sure he will continue to be a faithful watchdog of the government, whose
> > innocence is now forever tainted by the brainwashing of america's children.
> > anyone remember the Hitler Youth?
>
> I wouldn't be so sure about that...after he spends the next few years
> without a father or mother? Or in foster care...and then one day he
> smokes dope and is like "this is what kept me from having a happy family?
> I didn't know they were gonna take daddy away..."

i'm not so sure he will.  remember, the DARE program is still in it's infancy, and
it's getting worse.  they are starting at younger ages, and actually telling kids
to rat on their parents.  that never happened when i was in school, but i hear it
from kids today.  we'll see in the next few years if the media and "educational"
campaign the war against some drugs is waging will work.  they can always take it
to the next level, perhaps putting kids whose families are arrested into carefully
screened homes?  or training camps?  anyone who thinks the government can't get
away with that sort of thing is terribly wrong.

peace + happier thoughts

chris


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sorry about posting that 11 year old kid thing...i just thought it was 
interesting!
I never felt the flame of the MW-Raves list before, but now I have..
you people can be such monsters!!!:)

NFAF
no flamin' at furthur

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the MW-RAVES special addition.......

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*Blizzard 2* late december.....



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I'll try to be there.  I'm gonna be gone to Canada all day tomorrow, so I
can't pick up any pre-sale tickets.  If I can get my shit together early
Saturday, I'll go.  I'm just not sure when I can get done with work and/or
get out of the house.  If I go, I'll be wearing a white, long sleeve, nylon
Adidas shirt with glow in the dark stripes down the sleeves.  Hope to be
there!

-jeff

sara osborn wrote:

> I was just wondering how many people were planning on going.
> I know that I for one am going with a caravan of three+ cars and am very
> excited. I can't wait to dance my tail off. I am going to be giving away
> BlowPops in a jack-o-lantern so if you see me grab a bunch and pass
> among friends. Hope to see all my Detroit friends.




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> Now lets hear it for the D.A.R.E program. 

Yes, let's hear it for DARE.  A program that employs authoritarian
figures like police officers and grade school teachers in order to
brainwash the most impressionable.  Obey authority.  Don't ask
questions.  Report all suspicious activity.

At some point these kids grow up and usually come to the realization
that the shit that's been shoveled down their throats all these
years is just that... a questionable political agenda that quite
clearly diverges from anything resembling "education".  When they
understand this, they quite rationally begin to have doubts about 
everything else ever demonstrated to them under the guise of this
same "education".

Look around at the decline of any sense of social morality or
personal responsibility, and some of the reasons why don't seem so
unanswerable any more.  Hey, our planet's fourth largest nation is
on the bring of civil war and complete political destruction,
one has just willingly flipped its nose at the US and pretty much
everyone else by testing its new nuclear arsenal (with its enemy
scheduled to do the same by the end of the week)... but OH MY GOD
THE LAST EPISODE OF SEINFELD IS ON TONIGHT!

We have some seriously fucked up priorites.

At seemingly every turn, the government comes up with new ways to
monitor, invade, question, measure, limit, sequester and imprison
us.  All, of course, in the name of our continued safety and general
good will.  

But who's will is really being served?



- Craig

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On Thu, 14 May 1998, matt positive wrote:

>                        +POSITIVE THURSDAYS 16+ 
>                              5.28.98

> 18 and over with a picture id that resembles the holder of the id....
> (underage MW-RAVES members interested in attending, contact me privately)

Remember, here at the U of C, things work only in theory.

				toastman


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sorry for the wasted bandwidth.

=exit=
-adam-

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On Thu, 14 May 1998, Craig Stodolenak wrote:

> > Now lets hear it for the D.A.R.E program. 
> 
> Yes, let's hear it for DARE.  A program that employs authoritarian
> figures like police officers and grade school teachers in order to
> brainwash the most impressionable.  Obey authority.  Don't ask
> questions.  Report all suspicious activity.

No shit. Remind me to tell you about the 13-year-old Wichita kid who dies
huffing gasoline because _drugs_were_illegal_. Not only does DARE
encourage horrific nazi/big brother style 'turn in your parents, friends,
relatives' tactics, but it continues to proceed along the lines that it
did _before_ the US Justice Department released a report finding DARE to
be 'completely ineffective'. Those who have dared question DARE have found
themselves bullied around by a PRIVATE multi-billion-dollar corporation
whose programs of propaganda and outright lies have become entrenched in
5-10% of the nation's schools. 

Fuck DARE. And fuck any society that sees fit to support it without
thought or question.

Anyway, just venting. =)

peace, hugs, FURTHER!
andrew 

[and amen to craig's entire post.]



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At 04:41 PM 5/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>does anyone know of a net meet happenin @ step into a world (may 16 in   
>cincy)?  never met any of ya netravers. . .wanna see if yer a pretty as   
>ya read  :)
>
><>------<>~>(-:-)<~<>------<>
>mike.clark@officeware.com

Hmm I haven't heard about one but I'm down with a net meet :)


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FYI: I caught Innercity at the Rivera Theater back in 1990. Kevin Saunderson
wasn't there...but Paris Grey was! 

Phil

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From: Chad M Sponholz <cspon@csd.uwm.edu>
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i  never had the chance to participate in the dare program, and i learned
what drugs can do and how they can ruin a life (not by my own experience)

i think dare is just an excuse to spend more taxpayer's money.  don't get
me wrong, kids need to learn about this stuff... but it starts in the
home.

that kid who turned his parents in, i think he was just looking out for
them.  he saw that stuff and i'm sure was concerned and wanted them to get
away from that stuff and didn't know exactly how to react.  

i think i might have even done the same thing if i were put in that
situation.  but now, i don't think narcing accomplishes anything really.  
kids who get caught with drugs think they are a victim of the system (and
in a sense they are) but i think very few people learn their lessons the
way things are set up now.

i'm not complaining because it doesn't directly involve me, just throwing
this stuff out because i'm lucky enough to have some time on a 'puter here
in madison :)

so, don't bother flaming or whatever, but i'd kind of like to see some
replies from kids or kids who know kids that spend most of their time in
an altered state, and see if they are getting everything they'd like to
get done done. or don't, it don't matter :)  

c-ya.

Chad


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 02:46:27 1998
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Paul Sullivan, IndepenDance(tm) Prod., Inc. C.O.O.:

> Only the corporate wigs can really fund the best event in U.S.
> history;

Are you equating quality with size?  This isn't a trailer for
"Godzilla".  The bigger the event, in my experience, most always
results in lower quality.  By my definition of quality:  lowered
feeling of personal involvement, less vibe, crappier expo-center
type venue, higher ticket prices, etc.  The larger and more
"corporate wig involved", the more things seem like a concert and
less like what I'd rather they be, a party.

> only the independents can make it something that still belongs
> to us, and is at a price we all can afford.

With large corporate sponsorships there is the capability of
providing the largest events with the cheapest ticket prices;
unfortunately this rarely happens in practice.  It's rarely the
altruist who signs on Mt. Dew for their event.  If they're going to
do something big, they're going to want to cash in.

> [...] and now we feel that all the independent artists like
> ourselves deserve a forum in front of MTV, Big Fucking
> Corporation Anonymous and your own parents, on radio, the
> internet, and sattelite television to show that we're a genre
> of music that has been sitting in the shadows for way too long, 
> working way too hard for not enough, and we're AS GOOD OR BETTER
> THAN what the biggest labels in the world can find.

Do you seek recognition from your peers or from the masses?  Do
artists create for themselves as a means of expression or are they
doing it so they can get that big pile of green recongition down the
road?  Is this recognition your litmus for quality?

Personally, I think, for the most part, that things should stay
unrecognized...

> I know a dozen motherfuckers as good as Daft Punk who can prove
> it, on stage or in a studiom right here and now, and I think you
> do, too.

Yeah, and as soon as they get all this wonderful recognition of
yours, they, like Daft Punk, will become 5-figure-a-performance
superstars and pretty much removed from the normal people that not
only supported them all along but put them where they are.  
Seriously, big-picture-wise... does this help things or hurt them?

MTV, Big Fucking Corporation Anynoymous, and everyone else is
working as hard (and sometimes it seems, as slowly) as it can to
consume and absorb us already.  Why go out of your way to help them?




- Craig

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hey who's comming down to see dj Kane. from the looks of it, heart&soul
and sequence have put together a nice little jungle event. Kane's going 
to be on Scott from Dubshack's radio show on Jungle 92.7 (12-2am) friday
night too. the show in itself is worth checking out on any friday though.
anyway, hope to see some of the jungle inclined on here on friday....
cheers,
matt


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I've heard that kids who go through the DARE program have more problems 
with drugs.

K

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Hello,

Why are the locations of raves usually kept secret until the day of it?  
Most now are legal.  The place is rented and all that.  No one's 
breaking into some warehouse.  Is this just to make things seem 
spontaneous?  Is it only a tradition thing?  what what what?
I'm probably being a little bitter :) 'cause I don't have a car, so if 
it's too far I can't go, and I usually have to get cabs, which makes an 
expensive night.

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if anyone has been having trouble accessing the ele_mental webpages
(including the THINK history of techno and 21/22 corporation, among other
things), please use the actual IP address, which ought to work: 

205.133.80.120

we're having trouble with some servers out there that haven't recognized
the updated DNS.  

thanks

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I concur!

-----Original Message-----
From: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org
[mailto:mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org]On Behalf Of Craig Stodolenak
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 5:51 PM
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> Now lets hear it for the D.A.R.E program. 

Yes, let's hear it for DARE.  A program that employs authoritarian
figures like police officers and grade school teachers in order to
brainwash the most impressionable.  Obey authority.  Don't ask
questions.  Report all suspicious activity.

At some point these kids grow up and usually come to the realization
that the shit that's been shoveled down their throats all these
years is just that... a questionable political agenda that quite
clearly diverges from anything resembling "education".  When they
understand this, they quite rationally begin to have doubts about 
everything else ever demonstrated to them under the guise of this
same "education".

Look around at the decline of any sense of social morality or
personal responsibility, and some of the reasons why don't seem so
unanswerable any more.  Hey, our planet's fourth largest nation is
on the bring of civil war and complete political destruction,
one has just willingly flipped its nose at the US and pretty much
everyone else by testing its new nuclear arsenal (with its enemy
scheduled to do the same by the end of the week)... but OH MY GOD
THE LAST EPISODE OF SEINFELD IS ON TONIGHT!

We have some seriously fucked up priorites.

At seemingly every turn, the government comes up with new ways to
monitor, invade, question, measure, limit, sequester and imprison
us.  All, of course, in the name of our continued safety and general
good will.  

But who's will is really being served?



- Craig


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Sorry... it took me awhile to get this email... I was hiding from the
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On Thu, 14 May 1998, User wrote:

> I concur!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org
> [mailto:mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org]On Behalf Of Craig Stodolenak
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 5:51 PM
> To: MW-Raves Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Drugs and 11 year olds
> 
> 
> > Now lets hear it for the D.A.R.E program. 
> 
> Yes, let's hear it for DARE.  A program that employs authoritarian
> figures like police officers and grade school teachers in order to
> brainwash the most impressionable.  Obey authority.  Don't ask
> questions.  Report all suspicious activity.
> 
> At some point these kids grow up and usually come to the realization
> that the shit that's been shoveled down their throats all these
> years is just that... a questionable political agenda that quite
> clearly diverges from anything resembling "education".  When they
> understand this, they quite rationally begin to have doubts about 
> everything else ever demonstrated to them under the guise of this
> same "education".
> 
> Look around at the decline of any sense of social morality or
> personal responsibility, and some of the reasons why don't seem so
> unanswerable any more.  Hey, our planet's fourth largest nation is
> on the bring of civil war and complete political destruction,
> one has just willingly flipped its nose at the US and pretty much
> everyone else by testing its new nuclear arsenal (with its enemy
> scheduled to do the same by the end of the week)... but OH MY GOD
> THE LAST EPISODE OF SEINFELD IS ON TONIGHT!
> 
> We have some seriously fucked up priorites.
> 
> At seemingly every turn, the government comes up with new ways to
> monitor, invade, question, measure, limit, sequester and imprison
> us.  All, of course, in the name of our continued safety and general
> good will.  
> 
> But who's will is really being served?
> 
> 
> 
> - Craig
> 
> 


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The DARE program has been found (by a study done at an IL university... at
least I think it was IL) to not be affective in the WoD.  My sister used to
be one of the biggest DARE kids around, and I find out the other day that's
she's smoking out regularly...
This sounds like 1984 when the kids sold out their parents because the
government taught them to....   more food for thought

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>Jesse Settle wrote:
>
>> A rather positive step in the war against some drugs occured on May 9th,
>> 1998 in Chilton, WI...according to my local newspaper.
>> It says right here that an 11 year old boy called the police and said
>> that his parents had drugs in the house.  It turns out that under a
>> matress in the parents room where a baggie or pot, a baggie containing
>> 4.5 grams of cocaine, and 812 bucks.
>> The fathers vehicle contained 3 bricks of marijuana wrapped in duct
>> tape, adding up to a total of more than 1.5 kilos(4 1/2 pounds for those
>> who don't know).  And other scattered paraphenalia and probably some
>> roaches left around the house.
>>
>> Now lets hear it for the D.A.R.E program.  Makes me wonder if the kid
>> will continue a drug and alcohol free life, or will he take after his
>> parents in high school?
>>
>> Food for thought
>>
>> Jesse
>
>
>




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You're looking at him.... the poster child for the fucked up.....  I mean as
the opposite of the expected.  All those stupid commercials saying pot will
make you a bum living with your parents for the rest of your life,
unemployed, and dropped out of school pretty much doesn't apply to me.  I
know I should talk about drugs on a public list and whatever, but there's no
hard evidence and if anyone wanted to push it, it'll get thrown out of
court.   anyway, I'm very successful so far....  Graduated high school,
currently attending one of the best colleges in the country, student of one
of their best departments... etc etc...  I know I'm not the norm...but you
wanted to hear from someone that's experienced altered states that's getting
all they want to get done....  yes, I'm doing everything I want to do and
more...
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chad M Sponholz <cspon@csd.uwm.edu>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Thursday, May 14, 1998 9:24 PM
Subject: that DARE stuff.


>i  never had the chance to participate in the dare program, and i learned
>what drugs can do and how they can ruin a life (not by my own experience)
>
>i think dare is just an excuse to spend more taxpayer's money.  don't get
>me wrong, kids need to learn about this stuff... but it starts in the
>home.
>
>that kid who turned his parents in, i think he was just looking out for
>them.  he saw that stuff and i'm sure was concerned and wanted them to get
>away from that stuff and didn't know exactly how to react.
>
>i think i might have even done the same thing if i were put in that
>situation.  but now, i don't think narcing accomplishes anything really.
>kids who get caught with drugs think they are a victim of the system (and
>in a sense they are) but i think very few people learn their lessons the
>way things are set up now.
>
>i'm not complaining because it doesn't directly involve me, just throwing
>this stuff out because i'm lucky enough to have some time on a 'puter here
>in madison :)
>
>so, don't bother flaming or whatever, but i'd kind of like to see some
>replies from kids or kids who know kids that spend most of their time in
>an altered state, and see if they are getting everything they'd like to
>get done done. or don't, it don't matter :)
>
>c-ya.
>
>Chad
>




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Okay. This is all the bandwidth I'll waste on this. 

On Thu, 14 May 1998, Chad M Sponholz wrote:

> i  never had the chance to participate in the dare program, and i learned
> what drugs can do and how they can ruin a life (not by my own experience)
> 
> i think dare is just an excuse to spend more taxpayer's money.  don't get
> me wrong, kids need to learn about this stuff... but it starts in the
> home.
> 
> that kid who turned his parents in, i think he was just looking out for
> them.  he saw that stuff and i'm sure was concerned and wanted them to get
> away from that stuff and didn't know exactly how to react.  

I think you're missing the point. There is a huge danger when government
or in this case, government subsidized corporations, get into the business
of encouraging children to turn their parents in for what are truthfully
victimless crimes. Similar encouragement has only been given by what would
be termed totalitarian governments in the former Soviet Union, Nazi
Germany and the fascist governments of Spain and Italy around the World
War II years. [Or at least, in a Western modern context.] For further
reading on this subject, I recommend the excellent book 1984. 

This is not an occasion to make excuses for the kid, it is occasion to
note that children ARE being ACTIVELY encouraged to TURN in their parents
without being made aware of the CONSEQUENCES of those actions -- which
include the breakup of the entire family and the legal estrangement of
children from parents. If you cannot see how this is wrong, especially in
the context of a supposed democratic society, you really need to begin to
think about things at more than a superficial black/white way. 
 
> i think i might have even done the same thing if i were put in that
> situation.  but now, i don't think narcing accomplishes anything really.  
> kids who get caught with drugs think they are a victim of the system (and
> in a sense they are) but i think very few people learn their lessons the
> way things are set up now.

Learn their lesson? What lesson? That some substances are more equal than
others? That alcoholism is perfectly acceptable but, fuck, that marijuana
stuff will destroy your life? If you can delineate precisely how marijuana
or LSD or MDMA or peyote or psilocybin are equal or more harmful than
alcohol, nicotene or legalized gambling, please feel free to do so. 

Our entire 'culture' [now there's a disgusting word] has been
indoctrinated into believing that alcohol, nicotene and gambling are just
plain fine -- but these other things? these are bad and these things
addict and kill people. 

Drugs get banned because they are used recreationally or ritually and that
makes the great puritanical/hypocritical tradition very uncomfortable.
There is not a shred of medical or scientific logic to our treatment of
recreational drugs in this country, merely politicical justifications. The
problem with these political justifications is that people who did no harm
to anyone end up in prison with those who have, often with compraable or
harsher  sentences.

Tell you what else. Of all the things that I have done in my lifetime, the
one that most throws my mind in a fog and my motivation for a loop is
alcohol. This isn't to say that 'everyone should do x', because the
statement 'everyone should do x' is always incorrect. But they should not
be punished for doing commiting a 'crime' which has no victim. 

peace, hugs,
andrew



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Is it me or did The final episode of Seinfeld just suck ass? I was
waiting for this day to come for like a month or so, and now I feel like
I was totally let down. Anyone else feel the same?

Martin bEAN

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yes it suked dick....and i dont mean that in a good way..;)


On Fri, 15 May 1998, martin manry wrote:

> Is it me or did The final episode of Seinfeld just suck ass? I was
> waiting for this day to come for like a month or so, and now I feel like
> I was totally let down. Anyone else feel the same?
>
> Martin bEAN
>


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 15 08:36:35 1998
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to many of you, frank sinatra was probably little more than an overblown,
pompous, lounge singer from a bygone era.  hardly worthy of discussion on
a rave list.

but if this isn't the place for collective feelings to be expressed, then
i don't know what is.  i'll pretend for a moment that we're a family, and
that expressions of loss are acceptable.  

frank sinatra is dead.  surely a monumental moment for anyone who has been
alive for the last 20+ years.  frankie was a fixture; a symbol of another
time, and representative of another kind of music.  they may sound
plodding and stylized to us now, but his syrupy songs and voice changed
pop music forever.  he was the first international pop music star...

i won't remember frankie as the fat, bumbling republican of his late
years.  i'll always remember him as the shy, stumbling, skinny boy from
the bronx, whose earnest eyes and golden baritone won the world over.
later, he was the swanky entertainer, snapping his fingers and winking
beneath his trademark fedora, still belting out enormous songs from the
heart.  still later he became the jaded hollywood cynic, the cool and
smug "president of the company."

but no matter what period of his life means more to us, there was
something eternal about the man; flaws and all, cliches and all. 
something about ol' blue eyes will always stick with me.  was it his
acting ability?  (which, after all, was phenomenal--see _the manchurian
candidate_ if you don't believe me)  probably not.  was it his charm? 
well, partially.  was it his singing?  of course.  somethimes, it's as
simple as a voice. 

such tender longing, always about a love, expressing things we've all
felt, and felt corny feeling.  frank expressed this corniness in us all,
and gave it a voice.  he took those awkward emotions and made them
acceptable to feel.  he even made them acceptable to sing.

frank sinatra gave us this voice for about 6 decades.  now, he's gone,
the last of the stars.  

an era, and a love song, ends with him.

"...the days trickle down to a precious few..."

++
e d


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        Was Seinfeld at a rave?  What does this have to do with the list?  
     I don't mind some things a little off topic, but if I have to hear 
     about fucking Jerry Seinfeld one more time, I'm going to...I'm going 
     to...alright, I don't what I would do.  You caught me, it was a hollow 
     threat.  Go ahead talk about Seinfeld.
     
     E


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Is it me or did The final episode of Seinfeld just suck ass? I was 
waiting for this day to come for like a month or so, and now I feel like 
I was totally let down. Anyone else feel the same?
     
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        What about Teenage Wasteland?
     
     
     
     

     > The bigger the event, in my experience, most always results in lower 
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        Sorry, I posted this before I read the rest of the post.  My 
     comments obviously don't apply.
     
     E


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        What about Teenage Wasteland?
     
     
     
     
     
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                   UNIT, JLP & Amnesia Records Present


                            R E L E A S E D
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                   A Tape Release Party For DJ Dan X


                           Friday, May 15th
                              8PM - 2AM
                    17 & up... 21 w/ ID to consume

                    Downtown Milwaukee,  Wisconsin
                       2401 West Wisconsin Ave.
                   [Same spot as DBN New Years Eve]

                      Info & Direx 414.256.1715

                               Only 8$


                           Performances by

                              DJ Dan X
            [Solid State Records, JLP & man of the hour.]

               DJ Steven Kaye    vs.    Paul Matthew
            [UNIT, WMSE 91.7FM]      [Amnesia Records]
       Milwaukee's Techno Radio Prophet takes on his nemesis.

                Deepstar         vs.     DJ Deelishus
               [JLP, GEM]             [The Untouchables]
                       Tag-Team Jungle Warfare

                             DJ Toby Tyler
                     Original Full House Kingpin


                  20,000 Watts of Bass by Turbo Sound

                    Visual Stimulation by Laser Bob

                             Don't be late...
        The first 50 peeps paid recieve a complimentary mixtape.



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> ----------
> At some point these kids grow up and usually come to the realization
> that the shit that's been shoveled down their throats all these
> years is just that... a questionable political agenda that quite
> clearly diverges from anything resembling "education".  When they
> understand this, they quite rationally begin to have doubts about 
> everything else ever demonstrated to them under the guise of this
> same "education".
> 
I have to say I used to be one of these kids.  Raised to believe that
smoking/doing anything illegal was completely horrible.  I never even went
to a night club until I was 19; never really partied until I was close, if
not, 21.  Eventually I realized that there are things in life to be enjoyed,
and there are things that exist as a common reality, that have been totally
fabricated for one purpose or another.  (not necessarily speaking in terms
of material objects, but they could fall under this, too)

	We have some seriously fucked up priorites.

Yes, the world, esp. the US is in a sad state.  People do have their
priorities completely mixed up.  It's all "gotta do more, gotta be more;
gotta make more money."  Then, next thing they know, they're 70 and feel
completely empty b/c they wasted their life.  

Do what you need to survive, and enjoy the heck out of this lifetime.  In
the end, and hour of happiness has greater worth than a whole day's work.

hugs & smiles,
angel O:)

++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++
"Please enjoy your day on this planet"




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there's a sign up form at

  http://www.purewpcm.com/html/pureplus.html

they're  pretty  good  about  getting   cards  out
quickly; i got mine within  two weeks.  can't beat
walking around   with a  pretty  blue plastic  two
dollar coupon everywhere you go.

in a related  vein, anyone know if any after-event
parties  are planned for tonight's jungle brothers
show at metro?

 . .

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>frank sinatra is dead. 

What the world needs now is another Frank sinatra 

so I can get you in bed.





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> I concur!
*snips the rest of 50 lines from another post*
not to be uptight or anything, but just to say 'i concur' and include
the whole post (or worse yet, the whole thread) PLUS the headers...
how should i say this intelligently...it sucks!!
i know the traffic on the list has been on a slow side, but thats no
excuse to send in a one-liner...
maybe its the finals stress talking...havent slept much lately.

but on to dare stuff...does mw stand for militant words? i mean, do
you honestly think that the goverment is out there to try to take more
money from us and brainwash us in the process? while some of the things
they do might seem that way, but you try to run the country. i think we
are the most difficult citizen in the world (and, yes, i have been around
the world)..it is all about rights for americans, isnt it? governments
arent perfect and sitting in front of your computer whining about it is
not enough to change. i used to do drugs and be militant and all that too.
but i realized that you cant beat the system...perhaps i lost out to the
system (whatever that monster is), but i would rather be a working part of
it than to quote my personal rights and whine about it in a house that
your parents bought by means of the system.

finals venting, folks. now i gotta run to class.
john.dove
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i concur.
and i don't concur.


Gip


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In a message dated 98-05-15 03:17:46 EDT, you write:

<< Is it me or did The final episode of Seinfeld just suck ass? I was
 waiting for this day to come for like a month or so, and now I feel like
 I was totally let down. Anyone else feel the same?
 
 Martin bEAN >>

As someone who watches almost NO tv,  I decided to get my ass off my laptop
and tune in.  Yup, wasn't up to snuff.....;P   But I did like the fact that
they brought back my favorite character  the *soup nazi*~~ :)  That part
cracked me up ~

My 2cents
Wuv, 
Darian

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     Polly want a cracker?


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>frank sinatra is dead. 
     
What the world needs now is another Frank sinatra 
     
so I can get you in bed.
     
     
     
     
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     I used to concur, then I stopped.  I heard it was dangerous to your 
     health.  And just to make this pertinent, I can't wait til 
     FURTHER!!!!!!
     
     E


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i concur.
and i don't concur.
     
     
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At 09:49 AM 5/15/98 -0500, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

>	We have some seriously fucked up priorites.

i was going to just write "i concur" but that line has been used already. so....
in my ever so humble opinion, regarding the topic of which we are discussing 
i would have to whole heartedly echo that sentiment.


Gip


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In a message dated 98-05-15 10:50:14 EDT, OberleMK@Maritz.com writes:

<< Do what you need to survive, and enjoy the heck out of this lifetime.  In
 the end, and hour of happiness has greater worth than a whole day's work.
 
 hugs & smiles,
 angel O:) >>


Right on!  My sentiments exactly~  I know PLENTY of rigidly depressed people
who REFUSE to change the way they think about life, they HATE to go to 
work every day, they don't socalize, refuse to realize that we all have the
innate
ability to make this world *ours*.  I think everyone needs to explore within
themselves to find what truely makes them happy, and feed off of it.  I
consider myself to be an utterly happy person because I take time to notice
those
little things that bring happiness into my life,  instead of concentrating on
how
bad my job sucks, the fact that it's going to take me 50 years to get my
degree, and
the fact that I dont have enough cash to do ANYTHING until further,  I am
happy
none the less~ 

And further will be *lotsa* hours of happiness!!

"Growing old is inevitable, Growing UP is optional!!"
Peace`
Darian

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On Fri, 15 May 1998, Tad wrote:

> >frank sinatra is dead. 
> 
> What the world needs now is another Frank sinatra 
> 
> so I can get you in bed.

Me? Or Ed? Or someone else on this list maybe? 

peace, hugs,
[can we at least get a pic first?]
andrew


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In a message dated 98-05-15 01:19:39 EDT, you write:

> My sister used to
>  be one of the biggest DARE kids around, and I find out the other day that's
>  she's smoking out regularly...

though i don't have any actual figures, i think it's common knowledge that
drug use has significantly increased since the Nancy Reagan generation has
come of age.  i can personally remember being bombarded w/ disinformation
throughout elementary school and junior high - i.e., acid makes your brain
bleed, "drugs"(no distinction between cannibus, heroine, et al.) are
addictive.  then, i turn 15, i've smoked and tripped for the first time, and
somehow my experiences don't seem to match up at all w/ what DARE and health
classes have told me.  at the same time, i'm recieving even more false "facts"
from friends and dealers and whoever else.  

the current tactics seem to be create fear by any means necessary.  keep kids
instilled w/ this fear of substances from an early age, and this will keep
them from being a potential user - problem solved!!  ignore the fact that the
people w/ access to illegal substances have become just as ignorant to what
they use and sell. 

unfortunately, people are naturally drawn to altered states.  children are
drawn to rush of going as high as possible on the swingset, or spinning 'til
their dizzy, when we're older, we continue this ritual through parties,
through happy hour... even television alters brain-wave patterns.  

the solution is to accept this tendency then, w/ the aid of concrete
information, find ways to explore altered consciousness in a healthy way.  by
"altered consciousnes," i do not necessarily mean drug use - drugs are merely
a weak short cut to the mind's actual potential.

to anyone interested exploring further the topics of drugs, consciousness, and
our culture's attitude towards these issues i highly recommend the book "The
Natural Mind" by Andrew Weil.  this is an absolutely fascinating 300 pgs that
has successfuly countered 15 years of false facts from both the educators and
drug users that i've encountered in my life.  

ouch, that went long...

cheers
Blue

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when i saw the subject, my first thought was "FRANKIE BONES!!!! no way!!!" 

wheww...


cheers
Blue

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Here's an example of someone with fucked up priorities.

	-Chris Wundram

> ----------
> From: 	Blueslim9[SMTP:Blueslim9@aol.com]
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> 
> 
> when i saw the subject, my first thought was "FRANKIE BONES!!!! no
> way!!!" 
> 
> wheww...
> 
> 
> cheers
> Blue
> 

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I will agree with you on that!



At 01:53 PM 5/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Here's an example of someone with fucked up priorities.
>
>	-Chris Wundram
>
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	i don't know if i would call it fucked up priorities...becasue when
i saw the subject, i didn't know who had died....i don't watch a lot of tv,
or read the newspaper as quite as often as i should...so, i don't think that
it right to say that he has fucked up priorities...so what if his first
reaction was to think frankie bones...i am on the global house list, and if
someone would have posted the same message, i'm sure a few people might have
thought that it was frankie knuckles, or in fact frankie bones...not
everyone lives the same life that you do, and that in turn, makes everyone
have different priorities...i'm not trying to start a war...just stating
that people have different priorities than you do...

	joey (j.love)
	*303*

> Here's an example of someone with fucked up priorities.
> 
> 	-Chris Wundram
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Blueslim9[SMTP:Blueslim9@aol.com]
> > Sent: 	Friday, May 15, 1998 12:30 PM
> > To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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> > 
> > 
> > when i saw the subject, my first thought was "FRANKIE BONES!!!! no
> > way!!!" 
> > 
> > wheww...
> > 
> > 
> > cheers
> > Blue
> > 
> 

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> 	i don't know if i would call it fucked up priorities...becasue when
> i saw the subject, i didn't know who had died....i don't watch a lot of tv,

> > > 
> > > when i saw the subject, my first thought was "FRANKIE BONES!!!! no
> > > way!!!" 
> > > 
> > > wheww...
> > > 

i think the people talking about "fucked up priorities" were referencing
the fact that "wheww.." was stated. the comment makes it look as though
frankie bones death would be worse than frank sinatras. 

.zoki.


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> i think the people talking about "fucked up priorities" were referencing
> the fact that "wheww.." was stated. the comment makes it look as though
> frankie bones death would be worse than frank sinatras. 
> 
	point taken....but as i see it....if frankie bones is someone that
this person looks up to, more than frank sinatra, then it would be more of a
tragedy to that person...

	go back a few years to when kurt cobain died...._WHAT IF_ someone
had posted an e-mail with the subject "kurt's dead" to a grunge list....and
in the body of the message it wasn't kurt cobain, but in fact it had been
kurt russel...would the same thing have happened?...i think that it would
have...and i am sure that more than a few people would have stated
"wheww..." when they found out that it wasn't kurt cobain....so in that
fact, kurt cobain's death would have been more tragic than kurt russels...i
still don't think that it has to do with fucked up priorities...i think that
it has to deal more with an "icon" in a certain culture/scene...nobody wants
to lose someone that is an important part of their culture/scene...i'm in no
fact saying that i _don't_ care that frank sinatra has died...but if it had
been frankie bones, since he is one of the founding fathers of america's
party/rave scene,  it would have hit more at home than it does with frank
sinatra...

	joey

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At 07:24 AM 5/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>        Was Seinfeld at a rave?  What does this have to do with the list?  
>     I don't mind some things a little off topic, but if I have to hear 
>     about fucking Jerry Seinfeld one more time, I'm going to...I'm going 
>     to...alright, I don't what I would do.  You caught me, it was a hollow 
>     threat.  Go ahead talk about Seinfeld.

jerry seinfeld.

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erik magrini, you need to learn how to quote messages, or else don't quote
them at all. 

chris

PS - jerry seinfeld.

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On Fri, 15 May 1998, eluna wrote:

[...]
> smug "president of the company."

Actually, he was called the Chairman of the Board.



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
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The oblique point which I was making, was that Sinatra, the inventor of
cool, was far more important to our scene than some trainwreking DJ with
a big ego.

I don't think the Russel-Cobain analogy is really valid here.

Respect your roots.

	-Chris Wundram

> ----------
> From: 	Joseph Mazzotta[SMTP:JMazzott@ile.com]
> Sent: 	Friday, May 15, 1998 1:28 PM
> To: 	'Zoki Stancevic'
> Cc: 	'MWRAVES'
> Subject: 	RE: frankie's dead. ("nrr")
> 
> 
> 
> > i think the people talking about "fucked up priorities" were
> referencing
> > the fact that "wheww.." was stated. the comment makes it look as
> though
> > frankie bones death would be worse than frank sinatras. 
> > 
> 	point taken....but as i see it....if frankie bones is someone
> that
> this person looks up to, more than frank sinatra, then it would be
> more of a
> tragedy to that person...
> 
> 	go back a few years to when kurt cobain died...._WHAT IF_
> someone
> had posted an e-mail with the subject "kurt's dead" to a grunge
> list....and
> in the body of the message it wasn't kurt cobain, but in fact it had
> been
> kurt russel...would the same thing have happened?...i think that it
> would
> have...and i am sure that more than a few people would have stated
> "wheww..." when they found out that it wasn't kurt cobain....so in
> that
> fact, kurt cobain's death would have been more tragic than kurt
> russels...i
> still don't think that it has to do with fucked up priorities...i
> think that
> it has to deal more with an "icon" in a certain culture/scene...nobody
> wants
> to lose someone that is an important part of their culture/scene...i'm
> in no
> fact saying that i _don't_ care that frank sinatra has died...but if
> it had
> been frankie bones, since he is one of the founding fathers of
> america's
> party/rave scene,  it would have hit more at home than it does with
> frank
> sinatra...
> 
> 	joey
> 

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On Thu, 14 May 1998 miss elaine wrote:

>I wouldn't be so sure about that...after he spends the next few years 
>without a father or mother? Or in foster care...and then one day he 
>smokes dope and is like "this is what kept me from having a happy 
>family?  I didn't know they were gonna take daddy away..."

elaine, and wveryone else who has responded negatively to this post, i'm
sorry but, please!  it's not just the weed, which should be legal anyway,
that "took his daddy away," it was also the cocaine, and the simple
_fear_ the child must have had if he was the one who called the police. 
when i read jesse's original post, an image of squaller came to mind.  i
don't care who you are, you don't bring drugs, of any sort, around
children.  any _responsible_ parent would know that.  imho, the kid will
be better off not living in that kind of atmosphere.
oh, btw, most children are sent to dare programs by their parents.
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Chris Wundram wrote:
> 
> The oblique point which I was making, was that Sinatra, the inventor of
> cool, was far more important to our scene than some trainwreking DJ with
> a big ego.
> (snip)
> Respect your roots.

I dunno.

Either you take a drunk, wife abusing mobster with talent, or you take a
tweaked out social misfit with talent. (due to the fact that people have
opinions, Sinatra could either "suck" or "rule" - and any dj worth
noting could also "suck" or "rule")

I guess you just pick your favorite evils. >:D

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I'm sorry if I caused anyone to lose a precious thirty seconds out of
their pathetic little candy raver lives by posting a Non-rave related
subject to this list. I always thought the focus point of this list was
to discuss life in general, with raves being the common thread that
brought us all together, therfore dominating the discussion.
   Any list can only have so much talk about drugs, promoters, and wack
parties before it starts to sound really redundant. The NRR threads are
the only thing left to break this up.
   It's been said before and I'll say it again, It takes a lot less
effort to hit the delete key than to flame someone.

Martin

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Kelli H wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Why are the locations of raves usually kept secret until the day of it?
> Most now are legal.  The place is rented and all that.  No one's
> breaking into some warehouse.  Is this just to make things seem
> spontaneous?  Is it only a tradition thing?  what what what?
> I'm probably being a little bitter :) 'cause I don't have a car, so if
> it's too far I can't go, and I usually have to get cabs, which makes an
> expensive night.
> 
> 'bye,
>   K

Good question.  I have found in my time as a promoter that the main
reason that event locations are kept a secret prior to the event is
probably political.  I'll explain.

Event locations were secret when raves began and I believe, that due to
the "format" in which our events have taken place, gave way to promoters
booking and promoting events and never booking a venue for the event.

Yes, I believe that the most prominent reason that locations are not
revealed in advance is because generally, the promoter has no location.

Another viable concern has been the fear that if a promoter reveals
their location in advance, other promoters may:

1.) contact the venue and try to have their event booked their as well,
and freak the venue owner out, causing the venue to cancel the original
production.
2.) contact the venue in an effort to sabotabe a production which may
take place on the same date or a date close by.

There is also the concern that they may exist persons, organizations,
parents, city, police, etc. etc. that may not approve of the types of
events that our scene is built around.  Should a person or organization
who is "anti-rave" find out the location of an event in advance, it can
be very very easy to apply pressure to the hosting venue, or city and
prevent the event from taking place.

PURE has successfully negotiated many "introductory" relationships with
venue owners, but we have had very few return visits or engagements with
venues.  THis is primarily due to either:

a.)  way, way too many promoters hosting events in the venue and burning
it out before there is a chance to produce another event there.

b.)  venue owners becoming greedy or dissatisfied with our type of
production and making it either too expensive to host another event, or
too ridgid.

These are a few of the things that I have learned as a promoter over the
years and are a few of the reasons that I feel our scene has trouble
progressing effectively.

Hope it helps out.


peace and love

PURE/WPCM

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On Fri, 15 May 1998, Prugh Q wrote:

> don't care who you are, you don't bring drugs, of any sort, around
> children.  any _responsible_ parent would know that.  imho, the kid will
> be better off not living in that kind of atmosphere.

I'm not so sure about that. Perhaps you meant that no responsible parent
would exhibit drug abuse around children. When I saw Terrence McKenna
speak a couple weeks ago, he made an important point. He said "We need to
stop policing ourselves and take a hint from the gay community- in order
to have our chosen activities considered legitimate, we need to act
legitimate. I've you've ever said "I've got some great weed and I really
want to smoke you out but we need to wait until the kids are in bed,
you're policing yourself."

I think that's really important. Your comment probably stemmed from our
common opinion of cocaine, but I think McKenna's point is valid that our
children are not going to understand how to treat drugs with respect and
restraint unless we learn from our parents. Having your parents always
tell you "drugs are bad." is almost as bad as being told the same by DARE,
because that dangerous label, "drugs", pretends that substances as
different as cannabis and crack are similar in some way, while
simultaneously pretending that alcohol and nicotine are somehow exempt,
and making no distinction between use and abuse... that's dangerous.
Little Johnny decides to smoke some pot one day and discovers that it's
not quite as evil as he's heard, and he's been taught that mj and crack
are categorically similar... maybe that's not as bad either. I think the
"gateway drug" concept is completly a construct of the DARE
indoctrination.

jeff


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On Fri, 15 May 1998, Chris Wundram wrote:
> Sinatra, the inventor of cool, was far more important to our scene 
>than some trainwreking DJ with a big ego.
>

   Define EXACTLY how it is that Sinatra was the inventor of cool, much 
less important to our scene! Do you think that his revolutionary (for 
the time) attitudes and behavior in some way influenced the eventual 
advent of rave culture?
Puhleeeze!

  BTW, When I saw that subject header for the first time, Bones jumped 
into my head initially, too. The death of any celebrated person is bound 
to be initially observed in the context of the viewer, and this IS 
mw-raves...

Hope that didn't come out like a flame - it wasn't intended to.



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why the fuck does it matter how Sinatra contributed to the
dance/party/rave culture or what the fuck ever. He was a great singer,
generations grew up lissenin to his songs. He was a great man and deserves
all the recognition he got. Theres a lot of posts on this fucken mailin
list that have NO connection whatsoever with the rave scene. So big fucken
deal. Is it all we are supposed to talk about? Jeez...and i was gonna
discuss the importance of Marx' critique of capitalism with u people :p

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for information about the DreamFest Harvest Full Moon Gathering, please visit

http://www.louisville.edu/~cjclar01/dream.html

please, no flames about the bad design, I'll fix that asap.

If after you've looked over the info, and feel you have any input or ideas,
please feel free to get in touch. Also, any DJ's or performers interested in
playing, send tapes to:

Jason Clark
1135 Goss Ave.
Louisville, KY  40217

thanks...

j-Sun

see you at Furthur!!!

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hrm...Marx had some good things to say, like about how all profit is really
theft? yeah, that's a valid commentary.
    david



Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> why the fuck does it matter how Sinatra contributed to the
> dance/party/rave culture or what the fuck ever. He was a great singer,
> generations grew up lissenin to his songs. He was a great man and deserves
> all the recognition he got. Theres a lot of posts on this fucken mailin
> list that have NO connection whatsoever with the rave scene. So big fucken
> deal. Is it all we are supposed to talk about? Jeez...and i was gonna
> discuss the importance of Marx' critique of capitalism with u people :p
>
> Misha




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He looks like Frankie Sinaaaaatraaaa!!



anyone remember that one?


:)

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        I can tell finals are being prepared for, everyone seems to be 
     kinda touchy lately.  Just hang in there, they're almost over with.  
     Good luck to those who have to study and prepare this weekend, summers 
     almost here, just a few more days!
     
        I apologize to anyone I might have offended lately, some people 
     seem to have taken things I've said the wrong way.  Today was the 
     first day I've ever received any negative emails frm people on this 
     list.  I just don't want people to think the wrong things about me, as 
     always what I post is only MY opinion.  I certainly don't expect or 
     want people to always agree with me, it's what makes me an individaul. 
      So again sorry to anyone who got hot and bothered by what I said, it 
     was not my intention to do this.
     
        Lack of money will keep me from partying this weekend, so I hope 
     the rest of you have fun wherever you are, and what ever you do!
     
     
     Peace,\
     E

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---Jeff <gage@hyperreal.org> wrote:
>When I saw Terrence McKenna
> speak a couple weeks ago, he made an important point. He said "We
need to
> stop policing ourselves and take a hint from the gay community- in
order
> to have our chosen activities considered legitimate, we need to act
> legitimate. I've you've ever said "I've got some great weed and I
really
> want to smoke you out but we need to wait until the kids are in bed,
> you're policing yourself."

Does Terrence McKenna have kids?  Just wondering since as a parent I
have to disagree with him on this point.  I'm all for coming out to
the world and saying "I'm a productive member of society and I smoke
pot" or whatever to make mainstream society realize that not every pot
smoker is a stereotypical "pothead", but I will never smoke pot in
front of my daughter.  I plan to educate her about drugs and will
probably tell her that I'm a pot smoker eventually (she's only 10
mos.), but I don't think anyone should do drugs until they're mature
enough to fully understand the risks/benefits (18?)and getting stoned
in front of her would endorse the behavior in her before I feel she'd
be ready.  

Gay people don't have sex in front of their children,  they limit
themselves to simple open affection.  I think drug users should also
limit what they do in front of their children, "Daddy and I want to
take acid when we go camping and we can't take care of you while we're
tripping so we're taking you to Grandma's house." Don't forget the
safety issue here. You can't be a good parent when you're all fucked
up.  Honestly though, I can't even see myself saying this, we'll see
as she gets older.

Tammy
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     Let me take this oppertunity to mention one thing.  The thought "when 
     you're all fucked up" just needs to disappear from our vocabulary.  
     I've used it myself, but I really try and avoid it.  It denotes a very 
     negative state and I personally don't think all drugs are negative.  
     Specially my fav caffiene.
     
     Think about how you present your lives to others.
     
     -Giles
     
Gay people don't have sex in front of their children,  they limit 
themselves to simple open affection.  I think drug users should also 
limit what they do in front of their children, "Daddy and I want to 
take acid when we go camping and we can't take care of you while we're 
tripping so we're taking you to Grandma's house." Don't forget the 
safety issue here. You can't be a good parent when you're all fucked 
up.  Honestly though, I can't even see myself saying this, we'll see 
as she gets older.
     
Tammy
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>>I'm sorry if I caused anyone to lose a precious thirty seconds out of
>>their pathetic little candy raver lives by posting a Non-rave related
>>subject to this list.

You're not forgiven. ;P

>>I always thought the focus point of this list was
>>to discuss life in general, with raves being the common thread that
>>brought us all together, therfore dominating the discussion.

I originally typed a lengthly, malicious paragraph detailing my abhorrence
of sitcoms in general, but I've decided to withdraw it from this e-mail in
fear of multitudes of flames. I will include this; sitcoms are not a
significant part of my life, and they shouldn't hold much importance for
anyone else either. So what if it's the end of a long-running sitcom? If you
are inclined to, watch the last episode, but please do not post every
intimate detail of your frustration due to it's conclusion. We don't care.

>>   Any list can only have so much talk about drugs, promoters, and wack
>>parties before it starts to sound really redundant. The NRR threads are
>>the only thing left to break this up.

Off-topic subjects should be welcomed if they spark intelligent debate, but
threads about sitcoms tend to mutate into long-running, banal, and trite
e-chatter. I've seen other e-mail messages come crumbling to their knees
when their subscribers started trading comments about South Park and "how
Kenny should die in the next episode, huh huh." I unsubbed from those lists.

>>   It's been said before and I'll say it again, It takes a lot less
>>effort to hit the delete key than to flame someone.

Sometimes if the flames bring an end to the wasted bandwidth and e-mail
buffer space, then it's worth it. Remember, not all of us have ISPs that can
hold tons of messages about how the last episode of Seinfeld "blew chunks",
not to mention the complete quoted message (including header) in the 2-line
reply after that.

Which brings me to another point that seriously needs to be addressed here...

EDIT YOUR POSTS, PEOPLE!!!

It's as simple as highlighting all the quote text you AREN'T specifically
replying TO and hitting backspace or delete. Another thing....always delete
the headers whether you're quoting someone or not. 2 simple lessons to keep
in mind. I don't mean to be insulting, and I don't mean to sound
condescending, but it's showing itself to be a problem here. I'm just trying
to help everyone out there who has a fairly slow mails server, or a small
e-mail buffer space. Danke...


>>Martin

        -=Evil Judo Orblike Furball=-
http://www.pla-net.net/~furball <=- Not done.
     Peace Love ***PLUR*** Unity Respect


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welp kids, in spite of the recent spout of hostility on this list, i do
sincerely hope that all of  you have a great weekend. remember to smile a
lot and hug total strangers. i'm feeling cheesy today, prolly cuz i got
three hours of sleep last nite. nyways, i'll be sleeping tonite so i can
go to Rise tomorrow all refreshed and happy. see you all on the other
side. =D

i mean it. smiles and hugs,
andrew

Rise,
Remember the Magic
Even Further
[rest]



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did anybody see the touching farewell episode of "when animals attack" on
FOX last night?

It SUCKED!  

And I thought the series would go out on a good note.

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we don't have much to talk about when most of us didn't go to a party for
1 week, do we?



well I guess here's something.  This weekend the U of C is having Summer
Breeze, its 3-day extravaganza where it tries to convince everyone,
including itself, that people here have fun.  Tonight is the dance
thingee.  Its normally outside on the quads( last year actually blew up,
believe it or not ), but b/c of the weather I think they might have moved
it indoors.  My friend Pedro is spinning from 4:30 'till they shut down
the music around 5:30.  Anyways its free, so feel free( ha ) to stop by if
you're bored.  Just don't expect this to be a rave.

		
			toastman


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Aside from being an ineffectual  waste of time & money, the DARE program
uses disinformation as their main weapon of choice against drug use.  When I
went through the program in grade school, we were taught that all drugs are
addictive & deadly substances, whether the drug in question was pot or heroin.
I think that most kids upon experimentation realize that they've been lied to,
and that pot isn't going to kill them.  The sad part is that this leaves kids 
feeling disillusioned, and many end up using harder drugs in an effort to find
out
the truth for themselves.  Another major problem is the way drugs are
represented by the media.  The classification we use nowadays is "drugs and
alcohol"; apparently once a drug obtains a national advertising campaign it
ceases to be a drug.  As far as the governement is concerned, the WHO (World
Health Organization) recently released a study confirming that marijuana is
safer than alcohol and tobacco, the two leading recreational drugs in this
country.  Apparently the US government doesn't feel that it's citizens need to
know the truth about such matters, as the House of Representatives refused to
circulate the findings, claiming that they had no "practical street value".
Check out the Drug Reform Coordination Network's website for more on this
(www.DRCnet.org I believe).
my two pennies,
skywarP

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>I think you're missing the point. There is a huge danger when government
>or in this case, government subsidized corporations, get into the business
>of encouraging children to turn their parents in for what are truthfully
>victimless crimes. Similar encouragement has only been given by what would
>be termed totalitarian governments in the former Soviet Union, Nazi
>Germany and the fascist governments of Spain and Italy around the World
>War II years. [Or at least, in a Western modern context.] For further
>reading on this subject, I recommend the excellent book 1984. 
>
>This is not an occasion to make excuses for the kid, it is occasion to
>note that children ARE being ACTIVELY encouraged to TURN in their parents
>without being made aware of the CONSEQUENCES of those actions -- which
>include the breakup of the entire family and the legal estrangement of
>children from parents. If you cannot see how this is wrong, especially in
>the context of a supposed democratic society, you really need to begin to
>think about things at more than a superficial black/white way. 

settle down, i'm not making excuses.  and it is not wrong....nor is it
right, so everything you just wrote has no meaning.
by learning their lesson, i meant stopping doing/ selling drugs or whatever
it was they were doing with them.  i'm not knocking people who do, and i'm
not condoning it either.  

i'm not in this situation, so, in truth i really shouldn't have replied at
all, i admit i don't know all about this and i don't care to...i'll leave
it at that. 

no wait, i won't leave it at that.


>Learn their lesson? What lesson? That some substances are more equal than
>others? That alcoholism is perfectly acceptable but, fuck, that marijuana
>stuff will destroy your life? If you can delineate precisely how marijuana
>or LSD or MDMA or peyote or psilocybin are equal or more harmful than
>alcohol, nicotene or legalized gambling, please feel free to do so. 

where did i say that alcohol is acceptable? and where did i say that pot
will destroy your life?
where did i say either of those substances were more harmful than another.
reread my message, and you'll see that i, in fact,
i didn't.
so, who is superficial?  i have an opinion, so therefore i must be against
all you stand for? fuck that.  i just posted because it was an idea i had.  

>Our entire 'culture' [now there's a disgusting word] has been
>indoctrinated into believing that alcohol, nicotene and gambling are just
>plain fine -- but these other things? these are bad and these things
>addict and kill people. 
>
>Drugs get banned because they are used recreationally or ritually and that
>makes the great puritanical/hypocritical tradition very uncomfortable.
>There is not a shred of medical or scientific logic to our treatment of
>recreational drugs in this country, merely politicical justifications. The
>problem with these political justifications is that people who did no harm
>to anyone end up in prison with those who have, often with compraable or
>harsher  sentences.

i agree.

>Tell you what else. Of all the things that I have done in my lifetime, the
>one that most throws my mind in a fog and my motivation for a loop is
>alcohol. This isn't to say that 'everyone should do x', because the
>statement 'everyone should do x' is always incorrect. But they should not
>be punished for doing commiting a 'crime' which has no victim. 

you don't need to tell me that, i know the effects of alcohol, and i don't
like them.  please, in the future read posts a bit more carefully, i really
felt like you jumped down my throat for no reason.

peace,
Chad

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saturday, may 16th
madison wisconsin

chrise and dica productions present:

"dude i went to a basement party and stayed like 5 minutes and it was
RETARDED! oh my god oh my god oh my god"
(that's the name of the party)

featuring dj music by

SPREE (minneapolis's happyhardcore superstar will 
	show wisconsin a thing or two about cheese!)

DICA (madison's fattest dj - and i mean FAT!)

CHRIS E ("dude, do you work for eucalyptus?!?")

and possibly one other minneapolis dj if i can get him off his ass :P

other djs will spin too. 

1200 watts of butt-shakin bass

intelligent lighting by gimp with a flashlight

free glowsticks and hammies.

email me for directions or call (608) 286 - 8998 sometime after noon

(it's for real)

party starts about 10 probably.



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>but on to dare stuff...does mw stand for militant words? i mean, do
>you honestly think that the goverment is out there to try to take more
>money from us and brainwash us in the process? while some of the things
>they do might seem that way, but you try to run the country. 

yes, i think much of the government is based on greed.  i think many
officials try to rob us anyway they can, brainwash us and manipulate people
in order to stay in power, because that's what it's about.  
i'd like to try to run the country, but i'm not willing to die like jfk, or
any other number of people who were great leaders, or could have been.

i'm not comparing myself to any of them, but i think i'm just as, if not
more honest, and that fact alone would be enough to have me assasinated.  

maybe i'm wrong, but that's why i feel all i can do is sit behind this
computer and bitch.  you even said yourself that you can't beat the system.
 maybe one day i'll lose my fear and try to do something positive (on a
greater scale than just cleaning up a park or something to that effect)
but for now, i value the things in my life way too much.
i feel i've already had a pretty full life, and if i died tomorrow i would
be ok with it, but there's no need to speed up the process.

Chad.



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sound like a good new name for this list????  i think the name fits rather
well all of a sudden :)

i think the occasional (nrr) is something i can deal with, well, come to
think of it i can deal with any number of (nrr)'s
but still, getting a little crazy wit the tv stuff.

if we're going to talk about tv let's talk about the wonderful show called
AMP on mtv.   :)

right.

Chad.

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At 11:43 AM 5/15/98 -0500, andrew arnold wrote:
>On Fri, 15 May 1998, Tad wrote:
>
>> >frank sinatra is dead. 
>> 
>> What the world needs now is another Frank sinatra 
>> 
>> so I can get you in bed.
>
>Me? Or Ed? Or someone else on this list maybe? 
>
>peace, hugs,
>[can we at least get a pic first?]
>andrew
>
>
>
The whole damn list :)


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A but I don't think anyone should do drugs until they're mature
>enough to fully understand the risks/benefits (18?)

Oh, cmon, gimme a fuckin break! most kids try drugs in 7/8th grade or
freshman year in highschool...

just sayin what sefjihioghjjjiors blah blah blah...

od


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7/8th grade may be all right for some, but there are many kids at that
age not old enough to decide for themselves.  I was in 8th grade the
first time I experimented with anything.  Looking back, I should have
waited a year or two.  Some of my old friends tried pot then, are into
speed and meth now.  Of course, others experimented then, and are
graduating at the top of the class, seem to be generally quite happy and
well adjusted, and have no problem with abuse of any drugs now, me
included.  My point is, I don't agree with age limits.  All people are
mentally old enough to make these decisions at different times.  I
unfortunately cannot give an alternate means of regulating substances.  I
just wish people were more informed about what they do when they make the
decision to try something.  But then, that gets back to the problem with
DARE.  Enough now...

-jeff

OD wrote:

> A but I don't think anyone should do drugs until they're mature
> >enough to fully understand the risks/benefits (18?)
>
> Oh, cmon, gimme a fuckin break! most kids try drugs in 7/8th grade or
> freshman year in highschool...
>
> just sayin what sefjihioghjjjiors blah blah blah...
>
> od




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In a message dated 5/15/1998 4:10:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mk9@evansville.edu writes:

> why the fuck does it matter how Sinatra contributed to the
>  dance/party/rave culture or what the fuck ever. He was a great singer,
>  generations grew up lissenin to his songs. He was a great man and deserves
>  all the recognition he got. Theres a lot of posts on this fucken mailin
>  list that have NO connection whatsoever with the rave scene. So big fucken
>  deal. Is it all we are supposed to talk about? Jeez...and i was gonna
>  discuss the importance of Marx' critique of capitalism with u people :p
>  
>  Misha
>  
All I hAve to say is...

Damn Straight man...  What the fuck is everyone so uptight bout in here
anymore, come on if we wann bitch lets bitch bout all those emails bout
JNCO's... those were worhtless I guess, but who the fuck cares!

Peace and Lets Chill
Jared

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First of fellow rave-tech-nerds...

I like Frank Sinattra's music. When I listen to his music it makes me feel
cool and sophisticated.. 


Just imagine if someone like Richie Hawtin could remix Young at Heart!! Or a
Roni Size remix of Love & Marriage!! Or better yet...DJ Funk remixing My Kind
of Town Chicago.... oh OHH!!! oh OHH!! 

Phil

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And they say I say stoopid annoying things??? 

But seriously...how about the other half of Milli Vanilli? I was bummed for
days...until I heard that Vanilla Ice was going back to the studio!! Oh no!!
Runnnnnnn!

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> > > > when i saw the subject, my first thought was "FRANKIE BONES!!!! no
>  > > > way!!!" 
>  > > > 
>  > > > wheww...
>  > > > 
>  
>  i think the people talking about "fucked up priorities" were referencing
>  the fact that "wheww.." was stated. the comment makes it look as though
>  frankie bones death would be worse than frank sinatras. 
>  
>  .zoki.

umm, to clear things up a tad... 

the first sentence was me half-joking about my wierd first reaction to the
subject header... and i was definitely kidding about the "wheww"... maybe i
should've added a ":)" or two... maybe i should've shut the fuck up.  some
people got it... others read into it waaaaaayyyy too far, but i guess yallz
can't see the whites of my eyes, so i can dig the misunderstanding.  

ahh, thread's dead anyways.  i got my priorities straightened out.  see ya at
Planet Jungle if anyone's goin'...

cheers
Blue

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before you even reply to my previous post, i want to apologize...publicly.
i wasn't able to take the time to read your post thoroughly (I'm taking my
own advice here)...and i realize you weren't jumping down my throat.  

i had someone breathing down my next (literally) to get off the 'puter, and
i was just skipping over the message and i just hashed out a response to
what i thought your post was about.  in the future, i will be more careful.

so, here's my real response:

>I think you're missing the point. There is a huge danger when government
>or in this case, government subsidized corporations, get into the business
>of encouraging children to turn their parents in for what are truthfully
>victimless crimes. Similar encouragement has only been given by what would
>be termed totalitarian governments in the former Soviet Union, Nazi
>Germany and the fascist governments of Spain and Italy around the World
>War II years. [Or at least, in a Western modern context.] For further
>reading on this subject, I recommend the excellent book 1984. 

i believe i said that DARE was a waste of money, and i totally agree that
these things should not be done from my perspective.  if i were raising a
family, i wouldn't want it split up for any reason, and a kid turning their
parents in surely can do that.
i still believe that i may have done what the kid did if it were the past
and i were in that situation, but perhaps it's because someone along the
way (not the DARE program) told me that it's what i should do.  that's not
what i believe now.

but on sort of the same note...what about abusive parents?  should kids
keep quiet about that?  and what if the parents' drug use affects the
childs' up-bringing?  it's a shady subject and i don't believe you or i or
anyone else has the authority to say what should or shouldn't be done in
these circumstances.  

who's to say this crime wasn't victimless?  what if the child truly felt
victimized and neglected from what his parents were involved with?  
 like i said, it's a shady subject and I'll leave it at that.   i think you
are right that the government should butt the hell out, but i don't think
the kid necessarily did anything wrong by turning his own parents in....and
who's to say it's not for the "better"?  
i don't know the whole situation, so I'm not even going to try to have an
opinion on whether or not the kid is better off without those parents, but
you  have to agree that there is that possibility.
 
>This is not an occasion to make excuses for the kid, it is occasion to
>note that children ARE being ACTIVELY encouraged to TURN in their parents
>without being made aware of the CONSEQUENCES of those actions -- which
>include the breakup of the entire family and the legal estrangement of
>children from parents. If you cannot see how this is wrong, especially in
>the context of a supposed democratic society, you really need to begin to
>think about things at more than a superficial black/white way. 
 
like i said, i don't think government should actively encourage it, but the
government may not be totally at fault here.  there IS that possibility.  

i didn't see before that you included the words "in the context of a
supposed democracy"  which caused me to write some hasty remarks, so yes,
estrangement of children from parents etc, etc...is wrong in that context.  
keep in mind that i don't consider myself a democrat.  i believe what is
"right" or "wrong" is different for each person, and even murder is a wishy
washy subject, because i refuse to judge someone for it.  i know i wouldn't
want to experience being murdered, and i wouldn't want to associate with a
murderer, but at the same time, there's more complicated issues than i can
even begin to describe (and even understand) that explain why people do
what they do. 

now,i think the superficial remark was a bit hasty on your part.   one of
the things i pride myself on is being able to accept all sides of a
situation.  as is the case here.   i don't believe there is anything black
and white about this issue, and if i dealt with it that way in my previous
post, I'm sorry.  here, though it seems you are saying that it was
DEFINITELY the government that was at fault and that the child had no say
in matters.  do you agree that i COULD be the other way around, or even
both?  

maybe that's the way it was and maybe it wasn't, I'm not going to make a
judgement on it.

>> i think i might have even done the same thing if i were put in that
>> situation.  but now, i don't think narcing accomplishes anything really.  
>> kids who get caught with drugs think they are a victim of the system (and
>> in a sense they are) but i think very few people learn their lessons the
>> way things are set up now.

>Learn their lesson? What lesson? That some substances are more equal than
>others? That alcoholism is perfectly acceptable but, fuck, that marijuana
>stuff will destroy your life? If you can delineate precisely how marijuana
>or LSD or MDMA or peyote or psilocybin are equal or more harmful than
>alcohol, nicotene or legalized gambling, please feel free to do so. 

i should have been clearer when i said that.  should have said "the lessons
society and the government want them to learn"
like i said in my previous post, i don't think one drug is "better" or
"worse" than another and that is not what i meant to state here.
really, i wish we would evolve to the point where we could just do away
with all laws, but i don't see that happening in my current lifetime.  
maybe by learning their lesson i meant just not getting caught, either by
not participating in those kinds of activities, or just being more careful
when they do.  

i don't know, does the media exaggerate "drug related violence" ?  so these
crimes, if they are in truth that abundant, are not victimless crimes, but
like i said before i haven't read up a whole lot on this subject so i don't
claim to know it all.  i don't count the daily newspaper as a very credible
and unbiased source.  and, actually, i believe that all crimes are
victimless in the grander scheme of things, but i know that's a hard thing
for alot of people to deal with, so i'll leave it alone.

>Our entire 'culture' [now there's a disgusting word] has been
>indoctrinated into believing that alcohol, nicotene and gambling are just
>plain fine -- but these other things? these are bad and these things
>addict and kill people. 

that does seem pretty hypocritical doesn't it?  but what else is new?
murder is bad and should be punished, but we should bomb [insert country
here] because they are a threat to "American interest"  what about the
whole world's interest?  
I'm not going to get into this one, either.

>Drugs get banned because they are used recreationally or ritually and that
>makes the great puritanical/hypocritical tradition very uncomfortable.
>There is not a shred of medical or scientific logic to our treatment of
>recreational drugs in this country, merely politicical justifications. The
>problem with these political justifications is that people who did no harm
>to anyone end up in prison with those who have, often with compraable or
>harsher  sentences.

this is why i have a problem with politics as a whole.  government as a
whole.  i wish people would be grown up enough..i take that back,  i wish
people would be more like children when it comes to dealing with other
people.  
children, when uninfluenced, i believe, are the most loving, sincere,
intelligent human beings on this planet.  
children fight or use bad language, etc. because that is what they are
taught (by actions..not words) by grown ups either in the home or on t.v.
when violence is glorified..and any other number of sources.  but "adults"
are so caught up in themselves we don't listen when children tell us to
change our ways.  well, i suppose this applies to my generation as well.
we are always the root of the world's problems, when we tell politicians to
change things, they are the first to say, "well, it is YOU who are at fault."
that is why problems keep continuing.  as much as we rebel, there will
always be those few who say "well, if you can't beat em' join em."  and
they eventually take on these beliefs that drugs are bad and alcohol is
ok..because that's the way it's always been.
  
>Tell you what else. Of all the things that I have done in my lifetime, the
>one that most throws my mind in a fog and my motivation for a loop is
>alcohol. This isn't to say that 'everyone should do x', because the
>statement 'everyone should do x' is always incorrect. But they should not
>be punished for doing commiting a 'crime' which has no victim. 

so is the statement 'everyone shouldn't do x.  so, it is here, this
recognition of the fact that opinions cannot be right nor wrong, that we
are in agreement.  of course, you may not agree with that :)

you see, Andrew, i don't see things in black and white.  if i did, i
believe my live would be less colorful and a bit bland .   i think it's
really hard for people to realize that i can agree AND disagree with them
at the same time.   it's hard for people to understand that in everything i
write i try to state my opinion without making a judgement.  so, i
apologize if i come off that way, but i seriously don't think i do.

sorry for my previous post, it was not very well thought out at all, and i
won't do that again.
I'm sorry for implying that you were superficial, the remark was made in
haste and was most likely just an immature type of "retaliation" for what
you said about me.
deepest apologies to everyone who laid eyes on that post and who may flame
me for it before they read this one.

sincerely,
Chad




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I was curious my fellow raver-tech-nerds....

Does anybody out there have a complete listing of all the Dancemania rekkords
ever put out? IThe lowest # I have is #20....

Phil

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>But seriously...how about the other half of Milli Vanilli? I was bummed for
>days...until I heard that Vanilla Ice was going back to the studio!! Oh no!!
>Runnnnnnn!

his new album is gonna be "hip-hop music for slam dancing and stage diving"
and is a collaboration with the metal band Korn.  

I CANT WAIT!

there's an interview with him in the onion this week. 
http://www.theonion.com
(it's in the AV club, so its not satire)

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Tape my head and mike my brain,

stick that needle in my vein.

                             -Pynchon

Remington Arms produced the first typewriter.  The first
pure digital thinking machine was developed by Alan Turing
in the 1940s to decipher Axis mechanically encrypted secret messages.
Thus computers were developed by military intelligence.  The internet,
of course, was created out of Arpanet, which was a system to insure
military communication in the event of nuclear holocaust.  NASA is
all about military.  The general trend of technology from the simple
stirrup on to virtual reality machines has been to serve the military
industrial complex.  Telegraph communication by morse code was invented
to move supplies and troops via railways--the rapid series of dots
you see in a video image is the direct descendant of morse code
communication (and you thought it was the same as movies?).  Adolf
himself planned the Volkswagon company--he envisioned a low cost
vehicle that would resemble a beetle.  The only person he respected
enough to mention by name in Mein Kampf was Henry Ford of Detroit
Michigan who used his auto plants to make engines for Nazi trucks.
Detroit MI is also famous for Techno music which employs computer
generated tones combined with a set of wheels much like an
automobile to create a kind of music that fits together like
the interchangable parts of any mass assembly plant.  Many
raves have employed the theme of the automobile like Wheels of Steel
and Petal to the Metal.  War is about competing technologies.
We proved the true purpose of computerized technology once and
for all in the air to ground war in Iraq that was televised
as entertainment.  The blood and guts might only be a sideline
to whats really happening much like the war on drugs of the late
80s was really a successful attempt to distract attention from the
true crimes that were happening in the S&Ls.  Or like the way in
which the intelligence information that was gathered against the
axis powers via the first digital thinking machines that had been
developed to crack the mechanically encrypted nazi codes was covered
up by a stepped up conventional and much ballyhooed secret service
organization that was creditted with finding the information via
convventional means.

If war is about competing technologies then victory is embodied in
forced education.  An artist in this situation is much like the
Officer of Military High Command who plots out possible battle
scenarios on an imaginary map with little flags, tanks, etc.

Different spin on the whole situation, eh?

These are the thoughts I struggle with and I come to you enlightened
beautiful people of mw-raves for help.

Peace through superior firepower,

Mark Joseph
Demon Puppet
Brain Farm

I am indebted to Marshall Mcluhan and Friedrich Kittler for my ideas.

"Whoever manages to hear the circuit diagram itself in the synthesizer
sounds of the compact disc, or to see the circuit diagram in the lazer
storm of the discoteque, finds happiness itself. A happiness beyond the
polar ice, Nietzche would have said.  At the moment of relentless
subjugation to laws--which is our case--man's illusion as inventor of
media vanishes.  And the situation can be identified."

                                              Friedrich Kittler
                                              9/85

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Does it strike anybody else as rather insidious that your home
computer's operating system's machine code is encrypted or as
IBM prefers to say "user protected"?  Could your computer's
operating system have any strategic value?

MJ

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>I was curious my fellow raver-tech-nerds....
>
>Does anybody out there have a complete listing of all the Dancemania rekkords
>ever put out? IThe lowest # I have is #20....

i have #1, by Duane & Co.  and actually, there is a dancemania discography
at barney's records, i THINK.  could be wrong, though...

i think they're up to #255 now.



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     'cuse me?  Are you refering to the BIOS?  Maybe the operating system 
     code that's compiled?  I'm not familiar with any part of the computer 
     which is encrypted....  and I've been playing with these damn things 
     for over a decade.


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Does it strike anybody else as rather insidious that your home 
computer's operating system's machine code is encrypted or as 
IBM prefers to say "user protected"?  Could your computer's 
operating system have any strategic value?
     
MJ

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 11:27:08 1998
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hmmm.... i have to admit, i don't make it down to chicago all that often.  

are parties always like this now?  i mean i remember even last year, the
few times we did make it to chicago, they were some of the phattest parties
and the vibe was so thick...now i just caught this attitude from everyone
and i was bashed into so many times it was crazy.

well, this is how it went.

we got there at about 12:00, the party was at this ex-technical complex
turned into a banquet hall type of deal i'm not quite sure exactly what it
was.  it was called cavarini's or something like that.  got to drive
through dolton to get there though, and that's always fun :)

anyways, we stood in line for exactly one hour.  they had only one small
door to enter from, and there was the guest list people and the everyday
paying joe people going through the same door, so it was VERY slow moving.  
once we did get in the door, no one searched us (so i got to keep my
gat)... i mean i got to keep my gum.  security was the same ol same ol,
firm but kinda funny, making wisecracks, etc.  

once we got in and started walking around, i realized this was not a good
space for a party.  there were about three buildings surrounding a
courtyard the first building we went into, we caught the start of danny the
wildchild's set, and we figured we always get to hear him, so we'd go check
around and see what else was up.  

just moving around that space took way too much time.  one exit and
entrance to each building, i'm sure it must have been a fire hazard, and as
soon as people got through a door, they felt the need to stay by the
entrance and chat for awhile before they moved on and cleared the way for
other people to get in.   the space would have been so much better if there
were more entrances and exits to the buildings.  

so, to get back to what i was saying, we went out to the courtyard where
they also had a dj spinning, i'm not sure who it was, but he was, of
course, spinning house.  it wasn't really loud enough to get through me and
really make me move, so we quickly bored with whoever was spinning.  this
is unfortunate, because i thought he was playing some good tracks, just
couldn't go any louder.  we watched him for awhile and someone kept telling
him to turn the bass down.  even near the speakers you could  hear the
murmur of everyone else's conversions going on.  it was a good area to just
chilll and be outside, but that's about it. 

so, after going into the third building (which wasn't set up yet)  and
waiting for about an hour for my girlfriend to even get into the bathroom,
going back outside for awhile, just as we got outside, it was announced
that the third room was set up and boo williams was spinning.  

we waited about 15 minutes to get throught the one entrance to that
building, and it was worth it.  the tracks he spun (not necessarily the way
he spun them)  made the whole trip and the 20 dollars and everything worth
it.  jazzy jazzy house, made me bob my head, shake my rump and groove.  i
never got chills up and down my spine like that before, and all i took was
my allergy medication (which didn't help my allergies one bit) a house dj
never really got to me like that before with his music...it was really
nice.  i take that back, there was a disco house dj in the corner of the
main room at direct drive that had everyone grooving and you had no choice
but to smile really fuckin big and dance.  but that was a different feeling
all together.

the only thing that took away from his set was the people climbing through
the windows and landing right in front of my dancing space.  but, i dealt
with it and was able to fully enjoy the set.   also, some people kept
hitting the table that the turntables were on...made some really funky
tracks skip a couple times.  after that, we decided we were bored and
left...it was about 3:30.

i was hoping to catch scott "smokin" silz, but we had no idea when he was
comming on or if we had missed him, and i decided it wasn't worth it to
wait it out.  people were bumping into me left and right.  my girlfriend
was helping countless people through the windows to see boo williams, and
she only got one "thank you".   i did notice, though that if i hit someone
and said "sorry" they really seemed to appreciate it.  

final analysis...if i wouldn't have cought boo williams, this party would
have bit dick (for me).  and even other people didn't seem to be having all
that great a time.  it was the same ol same ol.  nothing different or
exciting.  EXCEPT..there were some slide projectors set up around the
courtyard projecting onto screens and some moving trucks showing various
pictures of and dealing with chicago.  i thought that was really cool,
maybe it's because i was an architecture major...who knows, i just liked
that alot.
so, i went to this party and really only saw one dj...sorry, but that's all
i could take.

chicago, i used to really look forward to comming down to your parties, but
what happened?  there were only a handful of people that i came in contact
with that didn't seem like they had a serious attitude.  i don't think the
space helped much, but it's been this way for the last 3 parties i've been
to down there.  i really hope it doesn't stay this way, i hate seeing a
great lineup on a flyer and having to think, maybe i shouldn't go...it's in
chicago.  it doesn't seem like you really take pride in what you have there.
a hotbed of talent and great music, and that shouldn't be taken for granted.  
like the flyer (and the u.s. census bureau) says, your city is the third
largest in america.  this means you have more people that go to parties.
more people to spread love and create a good vibe.  just something as
simple as being considerate and polite towards others goes a long way when
it comes to someone else's experience at a party.  you don't need to hug
every single person you see, but if you happen to make eye contact (heaven
forbid) a simple smile would be nice.  
if you bump into someone, a simple excuse me would be nice,  it's not up to
the promoters to provide your vibe for you, it starts with you and your
attitude towards other people. 

so, to make a long story short..i had a good time, but i could have been so
much better.  maybe i'll go to chicago one day again.
hell, the drive is nice.

Chad


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 13:53:57 1998
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At 03:54 PM 5/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>hrm...Marx had some good things to say, like about how all profit is really
>theft? yeah, that's a valid commentary.
>    david

i'm not familiar with this piece of literature, but in my experience, the
people who profit are generally only the rich and upper middle class.
these people account for quite a small percentage of the population (world
wide).  i think it was this uneven distribution of resources and
opportunity that Marx is referring to as the "theft".  

profit as described in webster's dictionary (yes i looked up the exact
definition just for this post...call me lame) is : gain; the excess of
returns over expenditure in a transaction; blablablablabla....it goes on to
say ; to benefit; to be of advantage.

with the rich controlling most of this excess (money), it essentially robs
the rest of us of many opportunities we might have otherwise had if these
resources were distributed more evenly. and it has nothing to do with
willingness to work.

as americans we are taught that material posessions are what make a person
great.  that is perhaps why we control a disproportionate amount of the
world's resources.  america alone could end world hunger if we chose to do
so, but so far, we haven't.   we have the advantage.

most likely, it's because our leaders know that this will shift some amount
of power from our hands and make things more balanced, and it scares them.
same situation with wealthy business owners.  they know that if they
charged a fair price and payed a truely fair wage for physical labor, they
would control less money, which would give them less power, which could
eventually give someone else power. they would lose the advantage. this
thought  process may not be consious, but i believe it certainly takes
place.  perhaps its because our nation established a minimum wage, and
employers think they are making a huge impact by paying their employees 10
cents more than this minimum.  and lawmakers think they are making a huge
impact by raising this minimum 50 cents or so, when really, who could raise
a family on 5.50 an hour (in america)?  granted, many of these jobs don't
require any special education, but they also aren't easy.  

this spiel was not meant to label all businessmen as thieves or to say that
we all have it so bad because we will never get anywhere...it's just to
bring attention to the fact that all people do not have equal opportunity,
and that's due mostly to this uneven distribution of resources.  

peace,
Chad

p.s. - this is an interesting topic, can anyone direct me to more reading
on it?

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Well, the evening started out as a good one.  NWMSU's school had just
ended, and there was a big graduation party at Lucky's Pub.  My friend
has told me that his frind, whos name is Melako, was going to have his
brother fly up and spin at his grad party..  So I said, hey, sounds fun.
Little did I know how fun.  I entered Lucky's pub around 11:00pm, with
some phat sounds coming from within.  I entered to see all the "towner"
"preps" (also know as the "flavaless idiots") were all gathered together
watching about 20 individuals dancing on the floor.  I got out and
started to jive until I became winded.  I then ventured up to see who
the Dj was and to watch him spin.  IT WAS FUCKING DJ KEOKI!  Whoever
said this guy can't spin is surely talking out his ass, cause this guy
was phat shit!  But get this, even though dj Keoki (still cant believe
it) was spinning for free at his brothers grad party, the owner of the
bar kicked him out because she said the music was horrible!!  Can you
believe that she kicked superstar Dj Keoki out of her bar when he was
spinning for free?  FUCK THAT!  But it gets better..  Then, we all went
back to my friends house to have the party there.  We all went down and
set up the tables, lights, etc.., in the basement (which by the way is
awesome), and proceede to have the oarty there..  Me, my friend dennis,
and my friend rob then smoked out downstairs with Keoki and his 3
brothers for about a half hour before we let people in downstairs. Keoki
started in agin at about 1:00am, and spun til 3:45 am..  It was so
fucking awesome I still can't believe it..  I smoked out with Dj Keoki
in my friends basement..  That just sounds weird.  Keoki in my friends
basement.......  I had more fun that night then I've had at any party
for a long time.  Keoki and I then exchanged e-mail adresses and talked
for a bit until he and his family took off around 4:00am to get ready
for Melako's Graduation at 10:00 the next morning.  All in all it was a
phat ass time, and best off all Keoki told me to get a hold of him and
sometime he would come up to KC and spin for (get this) FREE!  I'm still
in awe over it..  Oh well...  I had fun, and thats the best part..  And
to whoever said that Keoki was a dick, well, he was sure cool as fuck,
considering that he was real friendly, considerate, and spun at my
friends house for free...  Anyhoot, I just thought I'd let you all know
about my friday night in "towner" ville...  Peace!

-Infantile
Want computer hardware at blow out prices?
Give Juno-Enterprises a ring at 
1-800-484-3403 ext. 8568

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On Sat, 16 May 1998, Wilson, James D wrote:

> Does it strike anybody else as rather insidious that your home
> computer's operating system's machine code is encrypted or as
> IBM prefers to say "user protected"?  Could your computer's
> operating system have any strategic value?

That depends on what you use your computer for.  If all you do is play 
games, browse web sites and read mailing lists (ahem) then I wouldn't 
think it's doing much of anything strategic (unless of course you 
consider being marketed upon by mailbots and animated GIFs as strategic).



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 17 20:14:35 1998
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there's gonna be a new series on Fox soon called "when ravers attack".

I guess it shows a bunch of ravers being pushed too far when their
parties keep getting shut down by the police.

The best part i saw on the promo was when this raver girl takes
down three cops by tieing her two glow sticks together with string,
and then hurls them at their legs. 

They trip and fall on a pile of flyers. Then someone starts spining happy
hardcore.





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> From: (chris ege) <crege@students.wisc.edu>
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: When Animals Attack
> Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 6:21 PM
> 
> 
> did anybody see the touching farewell episode of "when animals attack" on
> FOX last night?
> 
> It SUCKED!  
> 
> And I thought the series would go out on a good note.

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http://www.umich.edu/~gregs/parties/

to find out about upcoming d-troit parties, see reviews of old ones, n
stuff to entertain you...... (like the rave vs. party article...in the
words of someone whose name has been withheld:  "oh my god, that is, like,
*so* true!")




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well, this was a party with good potential, and very low turnout. :-(
half the time it was hard to say there was any vibe because there were too
few people inside listening or dancing to make up one!!!!
it was sad from that point of view.
It was held at Gee Coffee, which i think has developed a bad stigma among
KC area people- anyone know why?
PLus, it was 15 bucks, when most Gee events are 5 bucks. SO this also
probably detered people.
that kinda sucks. mostly i saw the same old die hards in our scene showing
up. WHich is good, but where the hell was everyone else :(

Music was pretty darn good.
when i arrived- it was Ray Velasquez (sp?) throwing some jungle down, and
the sound was a little muffled, and i didn't get into it right away...

next up was SIMON from SF, and he was really great!!!! smooooooth and
clean, and not bad to look at either :) (right robin??) some great tracks
(house) that made people move, and made more people come in from outside to
come dance. probably the most crowded it got, and still under 100 peeps i
bet.
but if you get a chance, i'd go see this guy!

John Howard (SF) next- started with some monotonous tracks (still house i
believe) and eventually got who was left moving...that's about when i left-
knowing Carlos was not going to show, and unfortunately leaving about a
half hr before Nitro's set- i am sad to say, but i was feeling icky
(cramps) and the lack of vibe was bringin me down.....

so as i said, good potential, but really not a good party to talk about.
bleah. glad i got out and supported the scene, but kinda wish i had saved
that 15 bucks.
i did get an Even Furthur flyer though! :) :)
(thanks andrew!)

props to all the mw-ravers who were out...you know who you are
:)
--lynn--



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Last night I was unfortunate enough to leave the safety of Columbus, 
Ohio to venture down south to Cincy to "step into a world," or rather 
the world in the eyes of Wilhelm C.O.K. and Scorpio 90210.  It was a 
world costing many kids many dollars which they willlingly gave up so 
that they could complain about such things as how much they had paid to 
get in.

The space was the old Carousel Theater, not a virgin space, not the best 
of spaces, and only the worst parts of the space were used.  The space 
consists of one great room, one even bigger room with no area for 
dancing because the entire room is filled with seats which was nice for 
the great amounts of people who felt so inclined to sit throughout the 
entire event, and one tiny lobby the size of which you can imagine for a 
small 2 room theater.  This lobby was used as seemingly the main 
dancefloor, with the lights on.  The first room, which would have been 
great to use, was not used because somebody else had been rented it out 
that evening.

As some of the people who were using the only useable room in the space 
started to leave, they (about 10 of them) decided to get into a fight 
with the security.  This doubled the amount of chaos.  It was the 
highlight of the entire night.  At this point many people started 
placing bets on what time this party would get shut down.

Early on, Troll spun the only jungle set which I heard all night, 
meaning the rest of the night I was forced to listen to cheesy house and 
every Jeff Mills track known to man.  So much different from every other 
event around here. </sarcasm>

There was no organization present, nobody knew what was going on, every 
other person was wearing their badge necklace to show that they were 
contributing to this chaos.  Nobody knew when anybody was supposed to 
perform or if they were actually going to.  Throughout the night I heard 
many people wanting to leave, but realizing they would not get their 
money back.  There was no re-entry, so once you had paid the hefty 
entrance fee you were stuck inside until you could bear no longer.  I 
also heard many interesting uses for the free Wilhelm K tapes being 
given out.  "Farewell."

All drinks were confiscated at the door.  I'm not sure how much water 
cost, but I'm sure it was not cheap.  There were various vendors 
peddling their warez.  The poor Cincy kids who are too lazy to drive up 
to Columbus or beyond seem to get raped often.

Around 4, Goatboy came on.  He "spun" gabber records while an "m.c." 
"m.c.'d."  Hmm.  At least it was something different.

Soon after, I was informed that R.A.W. and 3D were both not there.  I 
had had enough of the town, its attitude, the music, everything.  My 
headache had maximized, I was through with flyering for the night, the 
few cool locals I had met seemed to have jetted early on, and it was my 
time to as well.  I'm not sure who is to blame for this event.  But I 
know from now on I'll recommend for people to stick to $8 Columbus 
events.


breaking the code of silence - omot

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omotpimp@hotmail.com <- junk mail, hate mail, flames, spam


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Well, since 7/8ths the posts are either non rave related, or people bitching
about how they are non-rave related, I thought I'd throw this in for fun.

What do you people think about hip-hop deejays being thrown on the same
sound system as the house/techno deejays throughout the course of a
"rave"...Is it annoying, is it hard to dance to?  Do you like it?  Why/ Why
not?

Would you rather the deejay do tricks and wow people?  Or would you rather
they just blend from track to track so you can dance?

The reason I'm asking is that I've been getting some really mixed messages.
A lot of people like to watch, but then there are always people (generally
females) who complain about how they can't dance to it.  I know I'm gonna
get flamed for that, but I'm being honest.  The guys tend to like hip-hop
tricks a lot more than the girls.

If a hip hop deejay does have a place on the same sound-system as the
house/techno/jungle dj's, then what time is appropriate?  Early in the
night?  Late in the night?  In the middle???

Also, hip-hop can be just as incredible & mesmerizing as good orchestrated
techno.  If you've ever tripped while watching a good scratch deejay (trying
not to use the word "turntablist"...that's a catch phrase to sell records,
imho) then you know what I'm talking about.  It may not flow, but it does
have a style unto itself.  I'm trying not to throw too much opinion into
this...I'll let whoever responds add their own.

Just curious to see what all you "experts" on the list have to say...We all
know how smart you are.

---Cylert


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well, we got there... really hyped for this party... raw, god of teh
machine... i was pumped, oh yeah, some other crap was there too... anyway,
there were signs outside that 3D was not gonna be there... so at least they
told you, refreshing to see for once... space was small, talked to jericho
sound and lasers, said originally they were just gonna do lasers, but they
requested sound, Logsquared was gonna do the main room, heard they got to the
space at 3 pm... but the venue booked some other function there, and they were
gonna be over until 1 am... ut oh, i could sense the trouble brewing... okay
was very crowded... but not that many people showed up... i talked to the
store owner that wilhelm would be working for in Cali, he didn't make enough
money to go out to cali, in fact, wilhelm didn't make any money, he lost his
ass... he needed 1000 people is what i was told, and there were 100 on guest
list... and they said that they got 400 -500 paying people...  many djs didn't
spin cause wilhelm couldn't pay them, he sent security home cause he couldn't
afford to pay them, the main room (when it did empty out) he couldn't afford
to pay for the laser, or the sound and lights for that room, i dunno if unit
park or god in the machine played or not... i don't think he could afford
them, my question is this, this had one of the best line ups i have seen in a
long time, it had some cool rare names, god in the machine, raw, mike
huckaby... and even had the name brand djs that some of you require, paul
johnson and feelgood... but no one came, why? i didn't understand this... i
was pumped for this party, and surpised it was wilhelm doing it.. why didn't
people come, cause it didn't have "get" in the title?  well, i feel bad for
wilhelm, he actually did an event that was so not like his others, good
talent, lot of debuts for the area, this is teh first party of his i have
thought was not just absolute brand name dj trash... well, it was hell in the
venue.. owner double booked it, oh yes, and that nice fight.... almost saw
another fight break out about 15-30 minutes before the one outside did, was
right in front of the pipe vendor, a black lady with the other party there
pushed a girl out of her way rather hard, the girl said, excuse you.. and they
had a 2 minute stare down... venue really fucked the party over when you got
there... venue ruined it hardcore.. and of course the fact that no one came...

paul

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here is the official final version of the flyer for our event on july 4,
1998



aaron bennett
black nation records: kalamazoo, michigan
tlbk35@juno.com

halfway between detroit and chicago....



_______________________________



saturday july 4, 1998
kalamazoo, michigan (halfway between detroit and chicago)


black nation records presents:

sector: 616


room 1 djs (techno):

jeff mills
-axis records: detroit

claude young
-7th city/frictional records: detroit/london, uk

surgeon
-dynamic tension/tresor records: birmingham, uk

jay denham
-black nation records: kalamazoo

bios (live p.a: first US appearance)
-black nation records: glasgow, scotland

frankie vega
-mushgroove/incredibeets: chicago


room 2 djs (techno/house/hip hop):

traxx
-soul foundation/hps/kne' deep: chicago

shake
-frictional records: detroit

abe duque
-tension/disko b records: new york city

brett dancer
-trackmode recordings: new york city

aaron bennett
-black nation records:  kalamazoo

ja-re
-hip hut: grand rapids, mich

room 3 djs (ambient):

upstart
-owner of disko b records: munich germany

karl and ken meier
-syntax productions: chicago

horsepower
-detroit

bryan bickel
-detroit

dj laps
-ann arbor, mich


10pm-7:30am
outdoor location (come prepared...)

main lines for directions/additional info

(616) 343-8357  (616) 343-6571  (616) 343-6573


$25 at the door

a limited amount of presale tickets for $20 will be available starting
the first week of june at the following locations:

kalamazoo:   flipside records  309 n. burdick  (616) 343-5865
grand rapids:  hip  hut   1328 burton s.e.  (616) 831-1382
detroit: recordtime  27360 gratiot ave (just north of I-696) (810)
775-1550
chicago: gramaphone  2663 n. clark  (773) 472-3683
toronto: speed  423 queen st. west  (416) 596-7609

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Hello all....the message I am sending is not from me but from a frien dof
mine who is moving to Germany and has sum equipment available for sale.
Please email me if your interested in purchasing the gear. Only serious
inquieries and PLZ no negotiating ...as u can tell the prices are quite
low as they are

----------------
As I have mentioned to you previously, I am selling my stereo - i.e.,
complete system. Whoever is interested, or might have a friends interested,
here is the important data:

*	Speakers: 12" Cerwin Vegas's for $300 a pair (sorry, can't go any
lower)
*	Amp: 100W Pro-logic Kenwood, goes very well with the speakers! -
$100
*	Small speakers: a pair of Infinities, (100W peak), really good for
background - $100 a pair
*	CD Player - Kenwood, 5 disc changer (the "pie", I'm sure you've all
seen it) - $150

Simple math will tell you that the total for all this is $650. I'd give it
for $600, only for a person buying all of it, and paying cash.

Thank you and hope to hear from you soon!

Filip

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Thanx 
Misha


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blaugh! I don't really like hip-hop dj's, I like stuff I can dance to but
it really sucks when its ONLY blending, I'd say if I had to listen to a
hip-hop dj it'd have to go like this-_-   starting from 10:00 good old
hardcore, jungle and d&b in the early parts of the rave-till about 1:00 am
then a lot of house till like 4:30 or 5:00 then slowly blending into a
little hip hop for a while and ending it all with more house so people
don't leave with the sound of crap plopping in a large tin barrel in their
heads...
straight?

peace... OD

At 06:34 PM 5/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, since 7/8ths the posts are either non rave related, or people bitching
>about how they are non-rave related, I thought I'd throw this in for fun.
>
>What do you people think about hip-hop deejays being thrown on the same
>sound system as the house/techno deejays throughout the course of a
>"rave"...Is it annoying, is it hard to dance to?  Do you like it?  Why/ Why
>not?
>
>Would you rather the deejay do tricks and wow people?  Or would you rather
>they just blend from track to track so you can dance?
>
>The reason I'm asking is that I've been getting some really mixed messages.
>A lot of people like to watch, but then there are always people (generally
>females) who complain about how they can't dance to it.  I know I'm gonna
>get flamed for that, but I'm being honest.  The guys tend to like hip-hop
>tricks a lot more than the girls.
>
>If a hip hop deejay does have a place on the same sound-system as the
>house/techno/jungle dj's, then what time is appropriate?  Early in the
>night?  Late in the night?  In the middle???
>
>Also, hip-hop can be just as incredible & mesmerizing as good orchestrated
>techno.  If you've ever tripped while watching a good scratch deejay (trying
>not to use the word "turntablist"...that's a catch phrase to sell records,
>imho) then you know what I'm talking about.  It may not flow, but it does
>have a style unto itself.  I'm trying not to throw too much opinion into
>this...I'll let whoever responds add their own.
>
>Just curious to see what all you "experts" on the list have to say...We all
>know how smart you are.
>
>---Cylert
>
>


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I once met this d&b dj named matt and he told me he wanted to have a giant
T.V. screen made of little tv's behind him with somthing or another playing
on it... cool idea eh?



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 03:37:35 1998
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And all this whining further perpetuates the garbage on the list...  I like
the opinions, and such...  I've seen this kind of discussion go on on other
lists too....  get over it...  there's more important things in life to
bitch about that if the posts on your email list are off topic
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>sound like a good new name for this list????  i think the name fits rather
>well all of a sudden :)
>
>i think the occasional (nrr) is something i can deal with, well, come to
>think of it i can deal with any number of (nrr)'s
>but still, getting a little crazy wit the tv stuff.
>
>if we're going to talk about tv let's talk about the wonderful show called
>AMP on mtv.   :)
>
>right.
>
>Chad.




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 03:41:21 1998
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In a message dated 98-05-17 10:25:52 EDT, juno@ccp.com writes:

<<  And to whoever said that Keoki was a dick, well, he was sure cool as fuck,
 considering that he was real friendly >>
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah... I've heard a tale or two about Keoki's "friendly" nature.  He takes a
real liking to young raver boys.  Just watch out for his evil seduction
tactics. 

-Peggy

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To: "Ben Page" <page@simon.wustl.edu>, <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:06:56 -0500
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Profit-wise... probably not a good idea.  my opinion is that it's ok...  The
best place is in a second room/area....  so the complainers got somewhere
else to go.  Hip-hop has just as much right being at a "rave" as techno,
etc.  We (hip-hop culture, and "rave" culture) are all about the love
respect and what-not and of course music, so why not?  It's all about
opening your mind... we both make up what is known as "the underground" too.
We have a lot more in common that you'd think...  I've seen very good
parties have a hip hop room along with a techno room and maybe even a jungle
room...  harmony is possible.
love
josh
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Page <page@simon.wustl.edu>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 7:35 PM
Subject: Appropriate "rave" music


>Well, since 7/8ths the posts are either non rave related, or people
bitching
>about how they are non-rave related, I thought I'd throw this in for fun.
>
>What do you people think about hip-hop deejays being thrown on the same
>sound system as the house/techno deejays throughout the course of a
>"rave"...Is it annoying, is it hard to dance to?  Do you like it?  Why/ Why
>not?
>
>Would you rather the deejay do tricks and wow people?  Or would you rather
>they just blend from track to track so you can dance?
>
>The reason I'm asking is that I've been getting some really mixed messages.
>A lot of people like to watch, but then there are always people (generally
>females) who complain about how they can't dance to it.  I know I'm gonna
>get flamed for that, but I'm being honest.  The guys tend to like hip-hop
>tricks a lot more than the girls.
>
>If a hip hop deejay does have a place on the same sound-system as the
>house/techno/jungle dj's, then what time is appropriate?  Early in the
>night?  Late in the night?  In the middle???
>
>Also, hip-hop can be just as incredible & mesmerizing as good orchestrated
>techno.  If you've ever tripped while watching a good scratch deejay
(trying
>not to use the word "turntablist"...that's a catch phrase to sell records,
>imho) then you know what I'm talking about.  It may not flow, but it does
>have a style unto itself.  I'm trying not to throw too much opinion into
>this...I'll let whoever responds add their own.
>
>Just curious to see what all you "experts" on the list have to say...We all
>know how smart you are.
>
>---Cylert
>




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 04:33:44 1998
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Hello,

Personally I don't like hip hop, but I don't like much house either, and 
the only happy hardcore I've heard I thought was annoying and cheesy.  
Wait, that's what I think of most house.  But, I think you got to have a 
variety of music, so people get to know different styles and new ones 
can be created.  more interesting.  As for "tricks", some are good, but 
I came to dance.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 05:14:09 1998
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How about the ravers dancing and having a grand ol'ime realize that there are
one too many tweakers and then all hell breaks loose!!

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 05:14:14 1998
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hip hop djs are the shit at parties.  it's too bad that they never seem to
get booked for em..

mixmaster mike is gunna be in milwaukee on june 6th, though.  that'll be dope.

anyhow, my take... i dig the tricks, and i don't see why you can't dance to
trick mixing.  i think there's a fine balance between the trix and the
straight up mixing..

frankly, the tracks themselves do it for me.  gangsta sheeit, baby.  yeahz.

jonnnnnnn/deeeeeekuh


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 05:24:33 1998
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A hip hop DJ in a rave. No sir...don't like it. I mean the only dance really
to do to hip hop is nood yer head or break. Then again you probably can do
that gangst lean throw yo hands in the air kinda thing... Now ask
yourself...would a hip hop event have a techno/ house/hardcor/ jungle dj?? I
don't know...probably not.  Anyways...I feel hip hop DJ's are there pretty
much for show. It's hard to get funky with a DJ trick that sounds like a
record skipping. Maybe tho'...if you threw in an MC.



 However...a raggae soundclash... that's a different story.


FYI: One of my favorite concerts ever was Run DMC, Public Enemy, EPMD & Jazzy
Jeff & the Fresh Prince back in 1988 at the UIC Pavillion. One of my least
favorite (I'm gonna get smacked for sayin this) Rage Against the Machine,
Atari Teenage Wastland & Wu Tang. I admit I'm not a fan of any of the
groups...but my friend wanted to go....

Phil

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 18 05:30:06 1998
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> BTW:  I'll be the beautiful and statuesque 6' tall woman.  I have luscious
>  shoulder length brown hair.  I'll be wearing the phattest pants I own
>  (dark blue and 54" at the bottom, baby)!  I"ll be wearing a white vest
>  with little blue flowers embroidered on the front!!  
>  
Not conceited are we!!! :)

Just kidding sweetheart.

Hope Sub Phunc went well, lets hear the great reviews, I am in desperate need
of an old skool really good party!

Peace
HugZ
Jared

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At 10:36 PM 5/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>And all this whining further perpetuates the garbage on the list...  I like
>the opinions, and such...  I've seen this kind of discussion go on on other
>lists too....  get over it...  there's more important things in life to
>bitch about that if the posts on your email list are off topic
>love
>josh

i wasn't bitching, in fact, you'll notice i posted a few (nrr)'s
myself...just saying, that's all.

peace, 
chad

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Now really tho..are we taking gangta rap shit, native tongue shit or waht. I
personally would like to have a rapper/ MC doing shit live rather than an a DJ
that will play a toon, take a certain line and make it go over and over again.
I mean I like to see some DJ work...but the DJ's gotta remember its a
party...not the DMC World Championship...


That's me tho'..

I'm probably wrong... 
....but if there's hip hop at parties... I just won't go

...most likely

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In a message dated 98-05-17 23:41:24 EDT, you write:

<<  And to whoever said that Keoki was a dick, well, he was sure cool as fuck,
 considering that he was real friendly >>
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<<Yeah... I've heard a tale or two about Keoki's "friendly" nature.  He takes
a
real liking to young raver boys.  Just watch out for his evil seduction
tactics.>>


I completly agree w/the second part of this, I found Keoki to be a great Dj,
but a horrible person.........he's into the scene for monatary gain, even
though I'm sure he'd say different.(for you people that don't know why don't
you ask a promoter how much it cost to buy his services for a night) Anyways,
as far as his seductive tactics are concerned it's not just young boys
either.....I've seen him receive oral sex from young coked-out raver girls one
to many times(not to mention that he could take it to a room but I guess
prefers to do this in public...)
*plur*
DAvid

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Hey everybody!

I thought some of you might want to help me have a small little
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>What do you people think about hip-hop deejays being thrown on the same
>sound system as the house/techno deejays throughout the course of a
>"rave"...Is it annoying, is it hard to dance to?  Do you like it?  Why/ Why
>not?

i think hip hop at parties is pretty phat, if it's not the shit you can
hear at booty ass clubs.  if it's underground and old school tracks that
you don't hear very often anymore, i dig that.  as for dancing to
it...really i can only bob my head and groove to it, but i think that's
fine.  i do that to really good house as well.  i don't think it's really
important that people actually "dance", i would be happy just seeing the
crowd bobbin their heads and digging the music.

>Would you rather the deejay do tricks and wow people?  Or would you rather
>they just blend from track to track so you can dance?

tricks rock ass, as long as it has a general flow.  dmc shit is cool to
watch, but sometimes get rather messy and is sort of hard to listen to when
you aren't watching it (thanks anna).  

i think a dj can wow people just as easily if he/she doesn't do tricks...a
great (and unique) track selection and smooth mixing impress me just as
much as quick scratching and beat juggling,  rewinds, squashes, etc. etc.

>The reason I'm asking is that I've been getting some really mixed messages.
>A lot of people like to watch, but then there are always people (generally
>females) who complain about how they can't dance to it.  I know I'm gonna
>get flamed for that, but I'm being honest.  The guys tend to like hip-hop
>tricks a lot more than the girls.

girls like hip hop tricks (anna said)

>If a hip hop deejay does have a place on the same sound-system as the
>house/techno/jungle dj's, then what time is appropriate?  Early in the
>night?  Late in the night?  In the middle???

i think it doesn't really matter when a certain type of dj plays because it
seems that everyone sort of gets tired at a different time and all sorts of
different factors.  i may be the only one who thinks this, but i think it
just depends on a person's mood at any certain time.  if someone came to
hear hip hop, they'll want to hear it earlier...if someone came to hear
house they'll want to hear it sooner. so i think as long as it's there it's
cool.  i think it might be cool to wind a party down with, though.

>Also, hip-hop can be just as incredible & mesmerizing as good orchestrated
>techno.  If you've ever tripped while watching a good scratch deejay (trying
>not to use the word "turntablist"...that's a catch phrase to sell records,
>imho) then you know what I'm talking about.  It may not flow, but it does
>have a style unto itself.  I'm trying not to throw too much opinion into
>this...I'll let whoever responds add their own.

even if you haven't tripped, good hip hop is just as good as good techno.
(i think that's the most times i used "good" in a sentence) but it's all
good.  

but one thing... i don't really like all the d&b remixes of hip hop
choones.  (i.e. -busta rhymes)  i think it's better when a dj can mix the
originals in with the jungle (danny does it alot)  i haven't heard many
others do it alot.  i just don't see much artistic value in throwing a
pre-written song over a jungle beat that i hear in almost every other
track.  maybe there is some artistic value, but for me, i don't see it.

so that's my $.02, 

peace,
Chad



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> a random woman in my neighborhood loves to rub her cooter to a raw and
bloody 
> plup with sandpaper, then lets birds peck off the scab while she masturbates
and 
> see how many different varieties of cheese give her the runs

sounds like an interesting neighborhood

paul

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>Maestro:
>
>Profit-wise... probably not a good idea.  my opinion is that it's ok...
The
>best place is in a second room/area....  so the complainers got somewhere
>else to go.  Hip-hop has just as much right being at a "rave" as techno,

I don't know.  I think hip-hop probably has a lot more followers than
techno.  At least, that holds true for "pop-hop" or is it called "hip-pop"
this month?  I don't see an Electronica (sorry) section at the nearest Sam
Goody.  So profit wise, maybe it would be a good idea to book a well known
name, such as Hieroglyphics at a party.  Hell, put a name like Mullan or
Hawtin on that same lineup and people are just bound to come.  Of course,
then you are straying from just Dj's when you start booking entire bands or
crews.

And is the best place indeed the second room/area?  People used to say the
same thing about jungle.  Then the second room transformed into the shitty
sound system with the strobe light where all the locals
(house/techno/jungle/whatever) had to play.  Whatever happened to ambient /
acid-jazz being played in the second room?  I haven't heard any of either in
quite some time.

>etc.  We (hip-hop culture, and "rave" culture) are all about the love
>respect and what-not and of course music, so why not?  It's all about
>opening your mind... we both make up what is known as "the underground"
too.

There are a few people such as Onyx, MOP, (the former) NWA, Mobb Deep, P.E.,
Common, and Organized Konfusion who don't support that belief.  There are
quite a few things about most hip-hop tracks that lack any or all of the
love, peace, unity and/or respect elements that rave culture is supposed to
support.  Or are they just more honest?  Someone let Professor Griff in that
it's all about opening your mind.  hahaha =)  I'm just joking around...But
seriously, the rules of the two cultures don't mesh like that.  They do if
you are talking about the Old-School B-Boy culture...But then when is spray
painting someone else's shit a sign of respect?

>We have a lot more in common that you'd think...  I've seen very good
>parties have a hip hop room along with a techno room and maybe even a
jungle
>room...  harmony is possible.

Yep, I know what you are talking about...But I'm wondering why they don't
put the hip-hop acts in the main room.  Usually, the hip hop gets thrown on
the second sound system at god knows what hour...Not just "second sound
system", but SECOND RATE SOUND system as well.  I'd love to hear a few
hip-hop classics while standing face to face with a wall of MT-4's, not some
kids crappy Peavy setup, like mine.

---Cylert


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i'm not familiar with this piece of literature, but in my experience, 
the
people who profit are generally only the rich and upper middle class.
these people account for quite a small percentage of the population 
(world
wide).  i think it was this uneven distribution of resources and
opportunity that Marx is referring to as the "theft".  



>>this piece of fantasy is unfortunately popular opinion, this way of 
thinking is what holds many of us back, these beliefs keep us from 
trying to better ourselves-it is the "real" theft.
*****
>>

profit as described in webster's dictionary (yes i looked up the exact
definition just for this post...call me lame) is : gain; the excess of
returns over expenditure in a transaction; blablablablabla....it goes on 
to
say ; to benefit; to be of advantage.

with the rich controlling most of this excess (money), it essentially 
robs
the rest of us of many opportunities we might have otherwise had if 
these
resources were distributed more evenly. and it has nothing to do with
willingness to work.

>> no, it has to do with the knowledge of how to profit.  The fact that 
the rich are rich has nothing to do with the fact that the poor are 
poor.  It has to do with the fact that the people with money (in most 
cases) got that way because they worked hard at some business and 
sacrificed great amounts of time and money, and produced something of 
value that other people bought and used and derived some sort of value 
for it.  Then these people, if they were really, really lucky, made 
money-profit, to do with what they see fit-probably something like 
re-investing it or something constructive like that.  The poor, on the 
other hand, are poor because they lacked the education, and more 
importantly, the will and drive to do whatever it takes, to bear any 
risk, to suceed.  some entreprenuers become wealthy because they put 
everything they had, risked everything, and suceeded (most dont)  That 
drive to be the best-that is the real differance.  Some people have this 
skill, which trancends race or gender, and some people don't.  No amount 
of money, no social program, no "distribution"of resourses will ever 
change that.
>
>

as americans we are taught that material posessions are what make a 
person
great.  that is perhaps why we control a disproportionate amount of the
world's resources.  america alone could end world hunger if we chose to 
do
so, but so far, we haven't.   we have the advantage.


>>We cant control our own countries hunger, homelessness, and other 
social problems, what makes us think we can help the world?  Again, 
money is not the issue.  America spends BILLIONS of dollars on forign 
aid, all of with comes from the tax dollars of americans like you, which 
is a good chunk of the 33% of your hard earned wages go to (hmm, I 
wonder if that has anything to do with the difficulties of succeeding)  
all this monetary aid, and not a dent is made in the worlds problems.  
throwing money at problems only causes expensive problems.

>>



most likely, it's because our leaders know that this will shift some 
amount
of power from our hands and make things more balanced, and it scares 
them.


>>the powers that be are indeed suppressive, but it is for reasons other 
than that.  Freedom scares them.
>>

same situation with wealthy business owners.  they know that if they
charged a fair price and payed a truely fair wage for physical labor, 
they
would control less money, which would give them less power, which could
eventually give someone else power. they would lose the advantage. 

>> this is absurd! Price is dictated by the market.  In a free 
enterprise system, only businesses that produce quality products or 
services survives.  How is that bad?  with competition, companies are 
forced to improve and innovate their products, or people will buy the 
others guys stuff and they will go out of business.  Unfortunatly, the 
government loves to restrict free enterpise with high business taxes and 
regulations, which hurt small businesses in particular.  It is 
exeedingly hard, almost impossible, to truley make a profit in business 
in america today.  I know, Im a business owner.  you people dont see the 
expenses that it takes to bring you that widget you bought.  Wages would 
be fairer if the government would quit regulating the shit out of 
businesses.
>>



this
thought  process may not be consious, but i believe it certainly takes
place.  perhaps its because our nation established a minimum wage, and
employers think they are making a huge impact by paying their employees 
10
cents more than this minimum.  and lawmakers think they are making a 
huge
impact by raising this minimum 50 cents or so, when really, who could 
raise
a family on 5.50 an hour (in america)?  granted, many of these jobs 
don't
require any special education, but they also aren't easy.  

>> again, if the regulations strangling business were lifted, businesses 
could afford to pay better, and since many of those regulations are tax 
related, you could take more money home. 
>>

this spiel was not meant to label all businessmen as thieves or to say 
that
we all have it so bad because we will never get anywhere...it's just to
bring attention to the fact that all people do not have equal 
opportunity,
and that's due mostly to this uneven distribution of resources.  

>> perhaps this  will incite you to go out and learn what it takes to 
succeed.  to not take no for an answer, to have unstoppable drive and 
commitment to suceed.  If you wait for "resources to be distributed" you 
will be on welfare ( hey, resources distributed from me to you (via 
taxes) -is that fair?)<------------HION
>>

p.s. - this is an interesting topic, can anyone direct me to more 
reading
on it?

>>
Go take a business class in school, and pay attention!

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p.s. - this is an interesting topic, can anyone direct me to more 
reading
on it?

>>
Go take a business class in school, and pay attention!


Or for the more adventurous with a little time on their hands
(that is, if you can stay away from your computers for a couple
of hours per day) and a penchant for maybe learning a higher
(yet quite controversial) philosophy, try reading Atlas Shrugged
by Ayn Rand.  I know a lot of you will not agree with the philosophy
that is put forth in this monumental novel, but try to keep an open mind
at least, if nothing else.  It just might change the way you think about
capitalism, abstract socialism, and maybe even altruism.
Then again it might not.  It depends upon how open-minded you are
willing to be.
For those of you that have already read this novel, there IS a way
to combine the ideals of the Objectivist philosophy with the ideals
that PLUR stands for.  The most difficult obstacle here is finding
the balance between reason and compassion, and there is a VERY
fine line to balance on here.

Peace!

Flipper

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At wildlife in chicago a few months back i witnessed Dj Swamp go on after 
Stacey Kidd(house dj) at 1am and rip up the main room for 1000 
attendees.  An 
hour later Paul Johnson took over and was scratching way more than he 
usually does.  Seems to me that if the hip-hop dj is talented enough, the 
"raver" kids will enjoy it.

=exit=
-adam-

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>>>this piece of fantasy is unfortunately popular opinion, this way of 
>thinking is what holds many of us back, these beliefs keep us from 
>trying to better ourselves-it is the "real" theft.

this is not a fantasy...and it does not hold me back or keep me from trying
hard.  like i said, it has nothing to do with willingness to work.  i work
3rd shift for 12 hour shifts, i get alot of overtime, too. 

>>> no, it has to do with the knowledge of how to profit.  The fact that 
>the rich are rich has nothing to do with the fact that the poor are 
>poor.

and where do people learn how to profit?  in school.  who has easier access
to the better schools?  the fact that the rich are rich has more to do with
the fact that the poor are poor than you realize.  

  It has to do with the fact that the people with money (in most 
>cases) got that way because they worked hard at some business and 
>sacrificed great amounts of time and money, and produced something of 
>value that other people bought and used and derived some sort of value 
>for it.

sure, these peope work hard, but i know of more people in well-off families
who's educations are being fully paid for (without loans) by their
parents...these people also have no jobs to speak of, they just ask mommy
and daddy for money.  i know there are people that have gotten there on
their own, but this isn't the point.  

these people are hoarding money, money they would never use in 10
lifetimes. sure, security for yourself and you family is nice, but what is
reasonable?  chances are your children will be off on their own at some
point, and because you've provided for them, they will do ok, you taught
them "right" from "wrong" and how to make it in this world, so what is
really needed to "secure their future"?


Then these people, if they were really, really lucky, made 
>money-profit, to do with what they see fit-probably something like 
>re-investing it or something constructive like that.  The poor, on the 
>other hand, are poor because they lacked the education, and more 
>importantly, the will and drive to do whatever it takes, to bear any 
>risk, to suceed.

 i don't know what kind of job you have, but the people i know who live in
the poorer areas of town are the hardest working i've ever met.   sure
there are some who lack the will to succeed, but that is because that will
has been stripped from them.  people tell them they can't succeed because
they don't have an education, and they can't get an education because they
can't get a job, but they can't get a job because they don't have an
education.... their families can't afford to send them to school, so it
goes in a vicious circle...


  some entreprenuers become wealthy because they put 
>everything they had, risked everything,

risked everything like their parents' money?  now i know you will say there
are some who work their 9-5 jobs and save up the money and finally get
their own business, i know this...but what percentage of people is that?  

 and suceeded (most dont)  That 
>drive to be the best-that is the real differance.  Some people have this 
>skill, which trancends race or gender, and some people don't.  No amount 
>of money, no social program, no "distribution"of resourses will ever 
>change that.

this is where i believe you are mistaken.  because the fact is  there IS
NOT equal opportunity...if there was, more people would be financially
secure.  sure these skills you speak of trancend race and gender, but there
is still prejudice and sexism...people don't want to admit it, but there
is.  i hear some co- workers using racial slurs all the time, and it's with
a genuine hatred... do you think that this doesn't go on higher up in the
corperate ladder?

>
>>>We cant control our own countries hunger, homelessness, and other 
>social problems, what makes us think we can help the world?

the thing is, if we quit dicking around and COMMITTED to doing something,
it would get done.  and really, what is the difference between helping
america and helping the rest of the world?  are we not part of the world?
and does the "us" in this situation include you? or do you mean everyone
else besides you who is supposed to be helping take care of these problems?
 this is another part of the problem, people's unwillingness to accept any
responsibility for the world's problems.  

if you drive, you are at fault, if you buy unrecycled paper, you are at
fault, i'm at fault because i throw aluminum cans away at work, i'm
responsible for slavery simply because i choose to be...because noone else
was.  so, it was me, and i apologize.

  Again, 
>money is not the issue.  America spends BILLIONS of dollars on forign 
>aid, all of with comes from the tax dollars of americans like you, which 
>is a good chunk of the 33% of your hard earned wages go to (hmm, I 
>wonder if that has anything to do with the difficulties of succeeding)  
>all this monetary aid, and not a dent is made in the worlds problems.  
>throwing money at problems only causes expensive problems.
>
i don't know what tax bracket you are in, but about 23 or so percent of my
taxes are taken out of my check, and i get a decent refund every year.
that's not the point, though.  i pay my taxes because right now, i have no
choice...i don't think very much of it at all is going towards helping
anyone other than politicians....but i don't have anything to base that
on...other than toilet seats and tools that cost thousands of dollars...the
government says.

fact is, we have enough grain and stored food in warehouses RIGHT now to
take care of ALL world hunger, including our own.
if the rich gave up the unnecessary profit they keep for "a rainy day" we
could also take care of homelessness.

you say that it's the poor's own fault that they are poor, yet you are
admiting that WE need to do something about it.  

>>>the powers that be are indeed suppressive, but it is for reasons other 
>than that.  Freedom scares them.

freedom scares them?  could you elaborate?  our freedom scares them?  then
that is because true freedom would empower us...and well, i explained this
before.

>>> this is absurd! Price is dictated by the market.  In a free 
>enterprise system, only businesses that produce quality products or 
>services survives.  How is that bad?  

sweat shops in foreign countries where employees (i would call them slaves)
are payed ridiculously low wages to make the product sold at a rediculously
high markup (shoes)

with competition, companies are 
>forced to improve and innovate their products, or people will buy the 
>others guys stuff and they will go out of business.  

this is what i think is more absurd. how have clothes improved in quality?
jeans are jeans are jeans.  how have shoes (gimmicks aside) improved in
quality over the last 20 years?  your kids still nead a new pair every 6
months... the only thing that's different now is they have a fun little air
pocket or a pump to play with.

another thing.  cars.   how has the auto industry really innovated?  they
still use gas, at least in america most of them do, so what if they use
less, did you ever think during rush hour how many gallons of gas you see
beside you, do you ever wonder where it all comes from?  this is one of the
main reasons i don't drive.

free enterprise is great and all, when you are getting your moneys worth.


>>> again, if the regulations strangling business were lifted, businesses 
>could afford to pay better, and since many of those regulations are tax 
>related, you could take more money home. 
>>>

i agree that small businesses have it a bit rougher than large
corperations...okay ALOT rougher.
but then again, there are people who would give their left nut to have it
as rough as these business owners.

>>> perhaps this  will incite you to go out and learn what it takes to 
>succeed.  to not take no for an answer, to have unstoppable drive and 
>commitment to suceed. 

commitment to succeed?  from all i've read in this reply, your idea of
success is gain all the money you want without regard for the rest of the
people in the world, because if they are left to starve in the desert, it's
their own damn fault.  if this is your idea of success, i'll have none of
it.  

 If you wait for "resources to be distributed" you 
>will be on welfare ( hey, resources distributed from me to you (via 
>taxes) -is that fair?)<------------HION

not in wisconsin.  and yes, i believe it is fair.  i don't believe ALL
peole on welfare are just lazy, and if i can help someone out by paying my
taxes, i'm all for it.  i have all i need (right now), and i'm pleased to
give my share to those less fortunate.  now, i understand that the welfare
system, doesn't empower the people who take advantage of it, but for people
who are in between jobs or can't get one because of a disability, it sure
is a welcome thing.  

i know what it takes to suceed, in the way you are saying, as well as in my
own definition of success.  but the fact is there are people who all they
CAN do is sit and wait  for the resources to be distributed to them because
they have no other means to get to them.

>Go take a business class in school, and pay attention!

i took an economics class, and paid attention...i know how to run a
business, and that's not what i'm talking about.  
business classes are taught by other business minded people and that's not
what i'm interested in.  

i'm interested in hearing viewpoints other than everyone elses on this
subject.  what people would consider "crazy" or "absurd" that's what i'd
like to read about.


now, the fact that you are a small business owner explains your views on
this topic...but you are assuming that i'm placing ALL the blame on people
like you...well that's just not the case. and i don't think just by wealthy
people giving up some money, the world will magically get better...i'm not
THAT naive.

the fact is, there's the rich people (worldwide) 

and there's the middle-class (worldwide) 

and there's the poor people (worldwide)

but all these groups together don't control as much money as the military
(worldwide) does.  if all this money were freed up, that would leave so
much more room to take care of the really important world affairs like
hunger and sickness and depletion of the ozone layer, etc. etc.  but none
of this can happen without a mass shift in the collective conciousness.
which i don't see happening anytime soon, but i can still hope.  

like i said before, it's people's unwillingness to accept responsiblity
that prevents alot of problems from getting solved.  when was the last time
your appartment was a mess and you didn't clean it because "i didn't make
that mess, why should I clean it up?"  it's exactly the same thing.  well,
if you want a clean house, you should clean it.  in other words, it's in
your best interest to do so.  

well, you will say, how is it in my best interest to give up hard earned
money so some homeless person can eat for a day?
it goes this way.  if you give that homeless person some money, he may not
have to turn to other sources to get that money (well just call that
"crime")  if this type of thing happens on a larger scale, we can start
taking care of any number of problems that we previously thought were
unfixable.  but, like i said, this would take a mass attitude shift, and i
doubt it can happen overnight.

wouldn't you agree that there's more satisfaction to be had in knowing you
helped someone get back on their feet than watching a football game on you
big screen, surround sound entertainment system...or anything even related
to that?

if not, well then i guess i'm just dreaming.

i understand where you are comming from.  i can easily understand how
someone could say the things you did, so i'm not saying you are wrong.  i
am saying, however, that according to the things we say we want to become
and achieve,
 the system we have set up is only going to make problems worse. 

i hope this doesn't seem like venting, and i hope it doesn't seem like i'm
trying to insult you personally or insult your chosen line of work...these
are just things i believe and i'm not trying to force it one anyone, just
trying to present it in a way that's understandable.  i hope i succeeded.

peace,
Chad

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In a message dated 98-05-16 03:57:23 EDT, you write:

<< Just imagine if someone like Richie Hawtin could remix Young at Heart!! Or
a
 Roni Size remix of Love & Marriage!! Or better yet...DJ Funk remixing My Kind
 of Town Chicago.... oh OHH!!! oh OHH!! 
  >>

this is your brain on drugs.  any questions?

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Florid was awesome as hell!!! I wish we could have gone to the WMC in
Miami during the beginning of March!!

We probably won't be at anyhting big until the end of the summer...

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

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     I have to disagree.  I thought the funniest part was when the cops 
     came rushing in only to be splayed out by the talc on the floor.  
     Looks like somebody bowled them over, maybe it was the bass!


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there's gonna be a new series on Fox soon called "when ravers attack".
     
I guess it shows a bunch of ravers being pushed too far when their 
parties keep getting shut down by the police.
     
The best part i saw on the promo was when this raver girl takes 
down three cops by tieing her two glow sticks together with string, 
and then hurls them at their legs. 
     
They trip and fall on a pile of flyers. Then someone starts spining happy 
hardcore.
     
     
     
     
     

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> risked everything like their parents' money?  now i know you will say there
> are some who work their 9-5 jobs and save up the money and finally get
> their own business, i know this...but what percentage of people is that?  

Actually the percentage is quite large. Do you think all the thousands of
businesses that get opened every year in the States are opened by the
people who inherited their parents' millions? I dont think so :)

> the thing is, if we quit dicking around and COMMITTED to doing something,
> it would get done.  and really, what is the difference between helping
> america and helping the rest of the world?  are we not part of the world?
> and does the "us" in this situation include you? or do you mean everyone
> else besides you who is supposed to be helping take care of these problems?
>  this is another part of the problem, people's unwillingness to accept any
> responsibility for the world's problems.  

Why should US accept the responsibility anyway? Yes I accept the fact that
its a part of the world and bla bla bla and shit. But theres about 10-15
other well developed industrial countries who don't give a *pardon me *
dick about what's going on in the world. Every country will only do SO
much for the world only for its own interest. And that's the end of it.
Thats foreign policy for you and theres nothing u can do about it :) 

> fact is, we have enough grain and stored food in warehouses RIGHT now to
> take care of ALL world hunger, including our own.
> if the rich gave up the unnecessary profit they keep for "a rainy day" we
> could also take care of homelessness.

Yah...now lets see. The "rich" as you call em dump all the grain in the
world market. We have 2 things happening. 1 - the world prices for grain
decrease and drive small farmers out cuz they cant afford such low cost
production. 2 - black market and corruption will thrive in 3rd world
countries. You think foreign aid actually gets to the common people in 3rd
world countries? How funny heh :)

> sweat shops in foreign countries where employees (i would call them slaves)
> are payed ridiculously low wages to make the product sold at a rediculously
> high markup (shoes)

By the way...I hate to bring it up. But...since you mentioned it. When my
brother was in Thailand he visited some of the "sweat shops" Yes the
conditions are terrible. Yes the pay is low. But you know wut? Those
people were fucken HAPPY to have THAT! That was MORE than wut they would
EVER get doing anything else in those countries. 

> this is what i think is more absurd. how have clothes improved in quality?
> jeans are jeans are jeans.  how have shoes (gimmicks aside) improved in
> quality over the last 20 years?  your kids still nead a new pair every 6
> months... the only thing that's different now is they have a fun little air
> pocket or a pump to play with.

Shoes have increased in quality but so have the demands peopel have from
shoes. Same with clothes. Quality is not as big of an issue here but
rather technology is. Being able to produce same quality product at a
faster rate and as effecient as possible.

> another thing.  cars.   how has the auto industry really innovated?  they
> still use gas, at least in america most of them do, so what if they use
> less, did you ever think during rush hour how many gallons of gas you see
> beside you, do you ever wonder where it all comes from?  this is one of the
> main reasons i don't drive.

Well ... you have to understand one lil problem with capitalism. It will
utilize all the resources fully until theres no more left. Why do car
makers make gasoline cars? Cuz theres gasoline in the world. Can you
imagine how much it would cost for a 700000 people company such as GM to
change all its cars from gas driven to electricity. God damn i dont even
wanna know how how many people they would have to lay off. 

> the fact is, there's the rich people (worldwide) 
> 
> and there's the middle-class (worldwide) 
> 
> and there's the poor people (worldwide)
> 

Just one quick comment. The 3 classes u jes mentioned only exist in
developed countries. Every other country has only poor and rich :)


Anyways....i am going to bed ;) 

Misha


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On Sun, 17 May 1998, Ben Page wrote:

> What do you people think about hip-hop deejays being thrown on the same
> sound system as the house/techno deejays throughout the course of a
> "rave"...Is it annoying, is it hard to dance to?  Do you like it?  Why/ Why
> not?

Funny you should post this now Ben, cuz I used to be one of the people who
never thought hip-hop at a party would be appropriate, but I had the pleasure
on Saturday to be blown away by Jam Master Jay at a rave. He showed up and
played a mad set alongside LS One from Onyx and one of his friends, right
after a wicked jungle set by Cincinnasty's own Mowgli. Although hip hop
seems like it would be a big slowdown after a jungle set, the energy that
JMJ put off was amazing and had the whole place bouncing. I dont know if
anyone else could have this same effect or pull it off as well, at a rave,
but i'd definately give it another shot. =)

> If a hip hop deejay does have a place on the same sound-system as the
> house/techno/jungle dj's, then what time is appropriate?  Early in the
> night?  Late in the night?  In the middle???

Depends on who it is...if its one hell of a turntablist like X-Excutioners
or ISP or the like then 12:30-1:30 is primo for me. For the locals who may
not be up to par maybe earlier or later...for a big name like Jam Master Jay
or Jazzy Jeff or the like, then put them on at 1:00-2:00 or so...



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Hey kidz,
For the people in the KC massive, I heard that there was a party this
past Saturday.  Is this true?  And if so, then why didn't I hear
anything about it!
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>Why should US accept the responsibility anyway? 

this is really the only thing i feel i need to reply to...

because if we don't accept responsibility, who will?  right now, if you ask
anyone, i bet most people don't think of themselves as directly responsible
for all the world's problems...like the ozone layer depletion, hunger, bla
bla bla..... 

so, who's resposiblity is it to fix these things?  this is the way it's
always been.  people are too pig headed to accept responsibility, so they
pass the problems on to future generations, and these generations don't
think they caused any problems, so they don't feel obligated to do anything
about it.  

once we all take direct responsibility for EVERYTHING we consider to be
wrong with the state of the world, we will feel more obligated to fix it.
think about everything you do in a day.  when you throw out a
napkin...where does it go?  when you flush the toilet, where does it go?
when you start your car where does the carbon monoxide go, and what does it
do?
when you turn on your t.v. or leave a light on all night.  

but it doesn't stop there...there's so much we do that we probably don't
even notice eventually contributes to problems worldwide.  things like
destructive thoughts and attitudes simple things of that nature.

it works in the opposite way as well.  something as simple as people
gathering in prayer can have a tremendous effect.  there are documented
instances of this i've been told.  i just haven't found em :)

if everyone found onething they do that contributes to a world problem and
reversed this action...i wonder what would happen.

but then, these types of statment are very easy to dissagree with, and i
know that all too well, so i'll stop here :)

but now i think this thread is getting to be rave related...because you see
much of the same thing going on here.  
people pointing the finger and saying "you are ruining the scene because
you do this" and another person says "yeah, well you do this, so you must
be the one who's making it go to shit"  but they both agree that there's
another group of people who also are making it go to shit, but not as bad
as the other group who's making it go to shit.

so, i'll be the first one to say it....i made the scene go to shit. sorry
all, it's my fault.  it was all me.  i never handed out candy, and that's
what did it. 

but that doesn't fix anything does it? because i'm the only one who's
admitting it.  this is sort of what i'm getting at.  

EVERYONE no matter who they are needs to take responsibility for anything
to get accomplished.

i think that makes sense...doesn't it?

peace,
Chad

CP time fer me.

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	Is it just me, or did this party suck?  You were given the
choice of the same four house tracks, or going into the jungle room,
where you would die from heat stroke in about four minutes.  There was a
pretty cool jazz house set going on in the "main" room, but try to dance
to it was just too frustrating.  

	It seems that ravers now just stand around the floor coping
attitude, trying to see who has the biggest dick, and shoving around
people who are trying to dance.  People need to learn that they should
dance, or get off the fucking floor.

	The image which really embodied this party for me was all of
those raver kids pissing in the bushes.

Fuck Daft Punk.
Fuck Justin Long.
Fuck Chicago.


	-Chris Wundram

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I'm all for it.  It's about time these lil' kids realize there is more
to dancing than the tweaker hop.  If anything, parties need more bumpin'
and grindin'.

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> For the people in the KC massive, I heard that there was a party this
> past Saturday.  Is this true?  And if so, then why didn't I hear
> anything about it!

This was posted to mw-raves at least twice.  As listed in the
calendar at http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/mwravescalendar:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
                                                                       |
                               sat may 16  .  kansas city, mo  .  RISE |

CARLOS --ON THREE TURNTABLES-- (San Francisco, CA)
JOHN HOWARD  (San Francisco, CA)
NITRO  (Planetar Records, St. Louis, MO)
SIMON  (Wicked Crew, San Francisco)
RAY VELASQUEZ  (Nocturnal Transmissions 105.9, Lawrence Kansas)

INFO : (816) 292-2817

Ticket cost:  $15 at the door 

Do not miss this opportunity to see these DJs
and Carlos spinning on no less than 3 DECKS!




- Craig

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hey Kansas City types -

there is something to be said for outdoor daylight parties. Good vibe,
good food, and FRESH AIR! :D

http://www.dlab.com/jasons/recon/ABC/5.15.98/park_party.html

_jason

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On Mon, 18 May 1998, Craig Stodolenak wrote:

> > For the people in the KC massive, I heard that there was a party this
> > past Saturday.  Is this true?  And if so, then why didn't I hear
> > anything about it!
> 
> This was posted to mw-raves at least twice.  As listed in the
> calendar at http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/mwravescalendar:
> 
> 
> CARLOS --ON THREE TURNTABLES-- (San Francisco, CA)

Too bad Carlos played here in Austin Saturday night and not there. Pretty
rude to double book himself.


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i'm interested in hearing viewpoints other than everyone elses on this
subject.  what people would consider "crazy" or "absurd" that's what i'd
like to read about.


Chad, here is a book that a majority of the people would call  "crazy" or
"absurd",  Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.  Yes, it is about capitalism and
greed, but in a much different form than most people would care to accept.
I don't agree with everything in the book so think before you flame, but it
does put forth some very good and logically sound points.

Peace!

Flipper


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Crazy Happy Thanks to "That Girl Productions" for putting this rave on
Saturday the 16th in St. Louie.

I must say, this party was the shiz!  Everything was put together proper for
this shin dig.  I danced so incredibly hard, sweat until I was more than
drenched, soaked in as much vibe as I could, gave off equal amount of vibe,
smiled & had the most incredible time I've had in quite a while.  It was one
of those times where anything that was causing any grief in my life was
totally forgotten & pounded out w/ every bounce & step I danced.  :)

LOCATION:  Compton Art Center (off Grand & Washington Area downtown).  It
was an old church-looking building, with a high ceiling and a great wooden
floor for dancing.  The space wasn't ventilated that well, but a few open
windows, and ins & outs worked great for those who were needing a break from
the heat.  Parking there was great, too; got a prime spot where I could view
my vehicle from a window.  There were a few police officers outside, who
would occasionally come in and take a look-see around.  The space
accommodated everyone quite nicely; we never did get over crowded; always
plenty of space to move/dance FREELY!  :D

MUSIC:  There were 2 rooms; the main room and a smaller room where some
house music was played.  The main room sound system was set up well.  It did
tend to get a bit blurred outside the speaker range, but it was all good,
otherwise.  The bass was enough to make your clothes dry when you'd stand
next to the speakers.  ;)  
	It was great to hear some phat techno sounds all night.  All the
dj's did a prime job; esp Steve Stoll's pa.  Damn.  It was so incredible to
see someone create such sounds so up close.  Most of the time, though, I
spent lost in the sounds, surrendering my body & soul to the music.
	Beltram & Dearborn were quite fab.  Everything sounded so smooth;
even the transitions btwn the DJs.  I love those sounds that make you lose
control & bounce, flail & bob all night, no matter how sweaty & tired you
are.  :)

LIGHTS:  Perfect.  Just enough, good variety, and well orchestrated.  Fog
machine, intel beams, strobe effects & some other neat light beam projecting
thingies that sent white beams from ground up while turning.  

VIBE:  Terrifically exuberant & full of positive energy.  Everyone was
smiling, dancing, socializing w/ one another.  Big hugs to Paul & Wendy,
Tammy & John, Darin (hey, can't wait till your Summer Solstice party!!),
Derek, Stan, Heather, Angie, Brad & Midori, and Marbles, my new mw raver
friend! 
My introduction to Marbles was definitely an interesting one.  Jeff, Tammy &
I were sitting on this staircase next to the DJ booth watching Joey spin
out.  Tammy had recently met Marbles, so I had asked her to introduce me to
him if/when she saw him.  She giggled and pointed behind me & waved; I
looked back and there was Marbles!  We were both like, "HEY!!"  It was a
really cool moment for me.  There all were all 4 of us sitting there, not
totally aware of who was in the surrounding area, and then our vibe momma,
Tammy, made things all the vibier.  Talk about your neat coincidences; I
love it when stuff like that happens at raves; brings more of that magic
vibe to it.

Overall it was a grand evening.  We departed just after 3 am, jamming out to
some more thumping tunes on the stereo, and the sounds that still lingered
in our muffled, ringing ears.  I again send out major hugs and PLUR to all
those involved with this production.  

It's things like this that make us remember that this world isn't such a bad
place after all.

hugs & love vibes,
angel O:)

++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++
"Please enjoy your day on this planet"

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'ey all, 

it's been buggin' me lately that i have no idea who does this track.  i know
it's a  classic and i'm sure some o' yallz have heard it a million times... it
has this sinister little monologue that includes the following - 

"we have bad little kids doin' bad little things.... they are sucking on
balloons... now this is not an ordinrary balloon, it's a balloon filled w/
nitrus oxide.... laughing gas...hehehehehahha.... but this is no laughing
matter."

it has really distinct beats too, really heavy on the high-hats giving it kind
of a swirly feel.

muchas gracias mi amigos...

cheers
Blue

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hey just wanted to say happy Victoria Day to all you canucks!  i have no
idea what victoria day is, but i thought, what the hell?

peace+happy holiday

chris


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windy city was the first party probably since midwest wonderland (which was at
the same space but with more rooms) that had a large turnout and the promoter
actually broke even...... I guess finals are over and people save their money
for the BIG events....why, i dunno

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Great.  So now I'm the "vibe momma"?  Oh well, guess I've been called
worse!

Very nice St. Louis party, your review pretty much summed it up!

Tam

---"Oberle, Michelle" <OberleMK@Maritz.com> wrote:
>There all were all 4 of us sitting there, not
> totally aware of who was in the surrounding area, and then our vibe
momma,
> Tammy, made things all the vibier.

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It's "Flash" by Green Velvet.

> ----------
> From: 	Blueslim9[SMTP:Blueslim9@aol.com]
> Sent: 	Monday, May 18, 1998 12:03 PM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	track ID pleeez
> 
> 'ey all, 
> 
> it's been buggin' me lately that i have no idea who does this track.
> i know
> it's a  classic and i'm sure some o' yallz have heard it a million
> times... it
> has this sinister little monologue that includes the following - 
> 
> "we have bad little kids doin' bad little things.... they are sucking
> on
> balloons... now this is not an ordinrary balloon, it's a balloon
> filled w/
> nitrus oxide.... laughing gas...hehehehehahha.... but this is no
> laughing
> matter."
> 
> it has really distinct beats too, really heavy on the high-hats giving
> it kind
> of a swirly feel.
> 
> muchas gracias mi amigos...
> 
> cheers
> Blue
> 

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 03:26:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: doughboy <doughboy@coil.com>
To: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org
Subject: Clockwork Sunday May 24th

Just thought i would let everyone know about a nice little party goin on in
Columbus, Ohio  Sunday May 24th.


Pitch Control Productions presents...

CLOCKWORK

Sunday May 24th

DJs:
Terry Mullan
Dieselboy
Sleepy-C
Dough Boy
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Hi everyone...

Okay, I heard this song on a mixtape that I have, but I can't really
describe it. Really dreamy vocals, cool snare drum pattern, but I didn't
think that would be enough, so I decided to encode it in RealAudio and
put it up for a day so anyone could help me ID it. It's of the
progressive house genre...I think... :-)

Here's the link:
http://ww4.choice.net/~weasel3/trackid.ram

You need the Realplayer.

I really apprecite any help in finding out what it is. Thanks very, very
much.

-Ben / Elroy

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>we don't have much to talk about when most of us didn't go to a party 
>for
>1 week, do we?

nope.

or when ppl are absorbed fully and completely in their television (which
you all should kill, btw) when they -should- be totally absorbed in the
new vinyl (or cds/tapes) that hits shelves daily at your local rekkid
store.

*shrug*

what -has- the world come to?

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i cant believe ppl are making a joke out of this and belittling it as
they/you are.  even if you dont like frank or anything, or dont think he
contributed anything to the world in any way.  hes a person.  and hes
dead.  thats sad, in and of itself.  really.

the fact that he was influential and a part of ppls lives like he was
makes it even more so.

grow up.

jawsh!

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>What do you people think about hip-hop deejays being thrown on the 
>same
>sound system as the house/techno deejays throughout the course of a
>"rave"...

i think its the bomb.  well, in certain ways/areas.  i wwouldnt wanna see
any sorta hip hop that id hear on the top40 countdown or at a cheezy mpls
house party.,  id like to hear some dj.krush, dj.shadow, mowax.records
styles and all that kinda shit.  the stuff more 'popularly' known as trip
hop (i HATE that term).

>Is it annoying,

no.

>is it hard to dance to?

not at all.
not for me.

>Do you like it?

yes.
if done well and great selection, i -love- it.

>Why/ Why
>not?

cuz the styles of hip hop i like (see above) is just some seriously
incredible musik.  *shrug*  i dunno...  mebbe some old skool shit would
be dope too.  bdp, epmd, doug e fresh, gang starr, afrika bambaata,
whodini, melley mel, shit like dat too would be nice.

>Would you rather the deejay do tricks and wow people?  Or would you 
>rather
>they just blend from track to track so you can dance?

the proper balance between both is of course the nicest.  :)

>The reason I'm asking is that I've been getting some really mixed 
>messages.
>A lot of people like to watch, but then there are always people 
>(generally
>females) who complain about how they can't dance to it.  I know I'm 
>gonna
>get flamed for that, but I'm being honest.  The guys tend to like 
>hip-hop
>tricks a lot more than the girls.

well, if youre gonna get flamed for saying that the guys like to watch
more n such, ill prolly get flamed for saying the following - its been my
experience since i got into going to parties n such that guys just tend
to like musik more than grrls.  period.  *shrug*

>If a hip hop deejay does have a place on the same sound-system as the
>house/techno/jungle dj's, then what time is appropriate?  Early in the
>night?  Late in the night?  In the middle???

hrmmm...  i would say prolly like 11pm or 4am.
something in that area would work nice for me and my party ways n such...

>Also, hip-hop can be just as incredible & mesmerizing as good 
>orchestrated
>techno.

better than tekno, not as good as d.n.b, imho.

>If you've ever tripped while watching a good scratch deejay 
>(trying
>not to use the word "turntablist"...that's a catch phrase to sell 
>records,
>imho) then you know what I'm talking about.

agreed 100% n then some!!

>We all
>know how smart you are.

naw, you dont.
no one truyl knows how smart anyone is.
not  even that person.
but, uh, thats another e.mail...

;)

jawsh!

ps.
that shit from the early 80s thats all funky and electro-ish and shit (im
thinking chaka kahn n such) would be good too.  anyone spin that shit fer
reeals at parties?  seriously.

np: dj.krush - meiso


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doug, i need to talk to you about party dates n details, so email me 
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Killing your TV and going to the record store all the time go hand in hand 
I think. If you are like me going to the record store means spending all 
available funds on rekkids. Combine that with a credit card and soon enough 
some guys will be over to take your TV away from you, just like that. :)

Brian e

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>we don't have much to talk about when most of us didn't go to a party
>for
>1 week, do we?

nope.

or when ppl are absorbed fully and completely in their television (which
you all should kill, btw) when they -should- be totally absorbed in the
new vinyl (or cds/tapes) that hits shelves daily at your local rekkid
store.

*shrug*

what -has- the world come to?

jawsh!

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Hello,

Did this party go alright?  I mean, I hope no one did any serious damage 
to themselves with the chemicals they were taking, and I hope the cafe 
people didn't get  too mad about anything, like smoking which wasn't 
supposed to be happening in the room.  Anyway, I was just wondering how 
it went 'cause I left early.  My friend was being all whiny, so we left.   
*sigh* sometimes   with friends like mine, it's lucky I don't have any 
enemies

'bye,
  K

well, maybe just friends like *her*

more stuff
There is supposed to be some party called Sabotage this weekend in 
Minneapolis, right?    

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OK, lets see.  The info. line was terrible for directions.  It gave
directions from North, South, and East, but not West, where I was coming
from.  It turned out to be only a couple blocks from 94 (can't remember
which exit), but since the closest directions said take 75, we did and
got horribly lost.  Got stuck on Woodward in a traffic jam for more than
2 hours because of a country music hoe-down happening the same night.
Geeze, I haven't seen so many hillbillies since the bluegrass festival
in my hometown.  We eventually got there, and...

Space:  Metropolitan Science Center.  Two floor warehouse that kicked
ass.  It was far to hot (about 90 to 100 degrees) and close to 100%
humidity.  My clothes were soaked, and the ceiling "rained" on me every
so often.  Thank god for the fan, air conditioner, and the ice.  At one
point, after dancing for about 2 hours straight, I sat down and almost
passed out.  Some unknown girl rubbed my head with ice and then gave me
water and more ice.  I think I would have passed out if it weren't for
her.

Lights:  Not spectacular, but still good.  Stayed out of my eyes for the
most part, and not overly lit most of the time.  Visuals were all right,
consisting of one oil projection thingy.

Sound:  Very good.  I think it was Burst.  Very clear and loud, in both
rooms.

Music:  I missed many DJs due to arriving late.  What I did see was
awesome.  Dieselboy was just finishing when I got there, and judging by
the crowd's response, I wish I had been there to see it.  It was too hot
in the main room, so I went back downstairs, and even though it was
almost as hot and humid, there were fans and I liked the music better.
It turned out to be Huggie, who was amazing.  I had never heard him
before or even heard much about him.  He had me dancing hard to his
whole set, really excellent track selection.  Then I took a small almost
pass-out break.  I don't even remember how long I was like this, I just
remember my vision going dark a few times, and feeling like I couldn't
breathe and was going to get sick.  After getting ice and walking to sit
in front of the fan, I felt better so I went up stairs.  Traxx was on
then, and spun an absolutely incredible set.  I sat most of the time,
but I had to get up and dance a few times, or at least get up and watch
him.  He gets into his spinning like no one I've ever seen!  He even
mixed the verse from the bible (Ezekial 25:17) that Jules in Pulp
Fiction said before he killed someone ("...and they shall know that I am
the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."  or something like
that) over some sweet track that I've never heard.  The crowd really
loved this.  After his set, we left due to being hot and sick.

Other Stuff:  Worth my money ($20.00), but would have been an
exceptional value had I gotten pre-sale tix for $15.00.  My bad, not
Full Circle's.  Umm, did it get shut down or what?  Cops were outside
the place for awhile, but they didn't shut it down while I was there.
Anyone else from the list go?  I looked for Sara and her pumpkin full o'
candy, but didn't see her, or at least she wasn't sportin' her pumpkin.

cheers,

jeff


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>Did this party go alright?

well for 15 bucks at a previous (twice, now!) 5 dollar venue with a
lineup (dj.liquid and 5 locals) that did not warrant charging 15 bucks, i
hope it went like hell.

>more stuff
>There is supposed to be some party called Sabotage this weekend in 
>Minneapolis, right?    

yup.
i dont have the exact info with me,
but its on my website at this url:

http://members.tripod.com/~art_is_dead/sabotage.html

so, uh, check it out.
sposed to be 'small and underground' type of event.
prolly just be small.  something to make some cash on.

*shrug*

jawsh!

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From: Adam Leon Meadows <meadowsa@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
To: Midwest Raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Step into a World
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This was probably the worst party I have been to in a couple of years and
was definitely the most disappointing I have ever been to.

RAW did not play.
God of the the Machine did not play.
Unit Park did not play.
3d did not play.
Heather Hart (3ds replacement) did not play.

These things combined with an absolutely shitty space made the night very
unpleasnt.  Part of the space (the supposed to be main room) was double
booked so that never even opened up (even when the other thing got done
at 1 am). I think there was probably 400 square feet in the place
do dance realistically, most of it being taken up by standing peeple. 

Not that any of the music was worth dancing to any way.  Only redeeming
sets of the night I felt was Drivetrain and Goatboy.  Drive TRain was
totally distorting the fuck out of the theatre sound system but his tracks
were top notch Detroit Techno.  Goatboy played about every release
Industrial Strength has but I was fun to have some room to jitter bug in
since gabber always clears the room.  

I really feel for those dudes from Milwaukee who came down to specifically
RAW and that girl from Knoxville who spent over 100 dollars (speeding
ticket and party ticket).  And Gip who had come down from Logansport. I
mean I only came up from Louisville so I was
pissed but not totally bitter about it.  When they shut down the theatre
room at like 5 I was about to instigate a riot by shouting THIS PARTY
FUCKING SUCKS at the top of my lungs but thought better of it.  Left
instead.

Oh yeah the funniest thing to happen at this party was the grafiti dude
from Columbus who was trying to tell Paul about his style.  He said, "Man
I dont draw drugs, Man.  I draw philosophical shit.  Like eyeballs."

That still makes me laugh.   To hear this dude say it was jsut the best.

Anyways hope Spunday in Louisville this weekend is better.

Adam Meadows 


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RAW did not play.
God of the the Machine did not play.
Adam Leon Meadows <meadowsa@expert.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:

Unit Park did not play.
3d did not play.
Heather Hart (3ds replacement) did not play.
.

Ok guys...heather heart did play later on in the night and so did God Of
The Machine (i didn't see God Of The Machine because i was soo pissed off
at this party that i went and slept in the car.) My friends said they
rocked but they didn't have the dancers..Heather Heart kicked ass that was
the highlight of the night...I dont' want to write a full review on this
party cause basically it sucked ass..It disappointed me a lot....all i got
to say is fuck Wilhelm K and his rip off parties..anyway i'm out..hope to
see some of you guysd at Spun Day it should rock..Tim always throws a bomb
party..
James


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>RAW did not play.

glad i didnt go thru with making plans to head out to this since r.a.w.
didnt make.  whew...

jawsh!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 19 00:22:30 1998
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hey.

if youre in the minnehopeless/st.paul area, i -highly- recomend you pull
yourself away from your computer for 5 or 10 minutes and watch the skies.
 the clouds are -abfabsolutely- magnificent!!

im in the brooklyn park/brooklyn center area right now, and right above
us here the clouds are insanely gorgeous!  lots of big cotton ball poof
style clouds.

hell.
if youre in the path of the storm thats rolling in, wherever that may be,
i bet youll have a glorious view!  check it out.  nature is beautiful.

*thinking.of.furthur*

jawsh!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 19 00:41:55 1998
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just curious:

anyone heard the new public enemy album.  the soundtrack for the spike
lee joint 'he.got.game'.  same thing.

if so, how it is?

jawsh!

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Aqua Velvet- Detroit

>exceptional value had I gotten pre-sale tix for $15.00.  My bad, not
>Full Circle's.  Umm, did it get shut down or what?  Cops were outside
>the place for awhile, but they didn't shut it down while I was there.
>Anyone else from the list go?  I looked for Sara and her pumpkin full 
o'
>candy, but didn't see her, or at least she wasn't sportin' her pumpkin.

I am bummed that you didn't find me, but I passed out most of my blow 
pops in the beggining of the evening(12-2). I gave out about 300 
personally and the rest were at the water table. It was a great way to 
meet people. I have an Tiger backpack that I always wear so . . next 
time any MW kids are at a party and you think its me say 'hi'

Cops: Me and my crew stayed until the end and the cops never came in. I 
was pleasently suprized that nothing happened. 

DJs: I am wondering what people thought of Dieselboy-was that a typical 
set, better or worse. I had never seen him before and thought that he 
would blow my mind. I want to see more people dance at these parties. I 
was totally into Disco D's set- I love booty- at one point a circle 
opened up around me- come on, I am not that good of a dancer. 
Trevor Lamont was awesome too-he was playin' some phat house- but he 
went on so late that I doubt to many people saw him. It was pretty empty 
during his set so it was much less hot=more dancing. 

I had a great time at this party and I know that my friends did as well. 
A2 kids see you at Solar-as always.

Sara Osborn 
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>  I
> was totally into Disco D's set- I love booty- at one point a circle
> opened up around me- come on, I am not that good of a dancer.

Hey, I totally agree.  I forgot to mention that.  I'm no lover of booty by
any means, but the scratching and tricks were awesome.  I saw the first
little bit of it before I had to sit down.  I listened to it from my
position on the floor on the ramp to the bathroom and was pleasantly
surprised.  Booty that I liked!!  Wow, that's a first time!!  Too bad i
wasn't up to dancing.


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>  What do you people think about hip-hop deejays being thrown on the same
>  sound system as the house/techno deejays throughout the course of a
>  "rave"...

if it's a one-room party, i think that's a bad idea, at least if yer referring
to a slower hip hop tempo.  though, i'm totally into listening to hip hop
(perfect car music) and i've been out to a lot of hip hop shows, when i go to
a rave, i go for fast tempos, crazy dancing, hard techno, jungle, and house is
cool in the right environment... i'm sure most other "ravers" would agree...
hip hop in the main room would kind of clash w/ the rest of the sets and would
probably make most of the people clear the floor.  i've been to clubs where
the DJ played a long house set to a packed floor then slowed it down to hip
hop and everyone made a run for the bar.


however...

i saw David Bowie in Chicago last October and some jungle DJ opened for him (a
friend told me once that it was DJ Yoshi, but i'm not sure that i believe her
100%).  the DJ would drop two or three jungle tracks then break it down to a
hip hop track that mixed over well 'cuz it was half the speed of the previous,
then would bring it back up to a 140 bpm song again, giving the next song a
really strong build-up that made it all the more powerful.  i'd totally love
to hear more junglists use hip hop for stuff like that.  even some tracks,
like "Lockdown" by EllisD, already start w/ a hip hop beat and then move into
a drumn'bass pattern, not to mention DJ Wally and the Jungle Brothers... 

>  Would you rather the deejay do tricks and wow people?  Or would you rather
>  they just blend from track to track so you can dance?

hmmm.. i think that q is relative to the DJ. if the DJ can do it w/out getting
in the way of the tracks, then it's cool.   occasional tricks are good for
keeping everyone's attention on the music.  i find that if all the DJ is doing
is mixing, then i tune out and the set becomes background music.  scratching
and EQing and whatever else brings more spontanaeity to the music, keeps the
crowd on their toes.  but the music and the flow is everything and too much
showing off gets in the way.  i was absolutely amazed by Kid Koala when i saw
him in Oct but it was a show, not a party.  

in addition to this question,  what about chill-out music??  where did that
go??  (not that i miss it)


cheers
Blue

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Check out the line up for Sector 616.  It has a whole chill out room.  Or
actually, a chill out area since its outside.  Personally, I like ambient chill
out type music at a party.  If its not too loud, its perfect for, well, chilling
out, and can trip with your mind if you let it and if its good.  People's
Revolution is the only other party I've been to with a chill out room ( i think)
and it was made the party a hell of a lot better.

Blueslim9 wrote:

>
>
> in addition to this question,  what about chill-out music??  where did that
> go??  (not that i miss it)
>
> cheers
> Blue




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Dubgnostic - where are ya man?!  I got the mixtape ya sent and need yer
eMail address ya know!  :)

BTW -- OH MY GAWD peeps doest this boy lay down some SERIOUS tunes!!!!!!!
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the original mix of "Sunstroke" by Chicane, on Edel America Records. there's
also a chill drum n bass mix on the single in the same vein. and it's
domestic. :)

-kc

DJ Elroy wrote:

> Hi everyone...
>
> Okay, I heard this song on a mixtape that I have, but I can't really
> describe it. Really dreamy vocals, cool snare drum pattern, but I didn't
> think that would be enough, so I decided to encode it in RealAudio and
> put it up for a day so anyone could help me ID it. It's of the
> progressive house genre...I think... :-)
>
> Here's the link:
> http://ww4.choice.net/~weasel3/trackid.ram
>
> You need the Realplayer.
>
> I really apprecite any help in finding out what it is. Thanks very, very
> much.
>
> -Ben / Elroy




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PHUNGUS presents:
another installment of all night drum and bass MAYhem.

AMAZON 06
May 22.1998
International Ballroom. Atlanta, GA.
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Featured turntable talent:

DOC SCOTT & MC JUSTIYC
[Metalheadz I 31 Records, UK]

DJ LEE
[Timeless I Metalheadz, UK]

Metalheadz main man,DJ/ producer extraordinaire. Doc Scott is widely
respected as a man of many talents. He's responsible for pioneering tracks
such as "Here Come The Drumz" and "Shadowboxing" (under his guise 'Nasty
Habits') and continues to be on the forefront of drum and bass today.
For this first Atlanta date, he's pairing up with MC Justiyc and fellow
Metalheadz camp member DJ Lee to recreate the vibe of the famous Blue Note
Sunday sessions.

Stellar supporting cast>>

DANIEL
[Hypersonic, Greensboro]

MK2
[M.A.D.Base, Nashville]

BOBBLE
[20 Hz Cartel, Rewind Records, Atlanta]

BIRDMAN
[Satellite Records, Xylophone Jones, Rydim Ryderz, Atlanta]

duda
[Playtheavy Kru, 20 Hz Cartel, Phungus, Athens]

D:RC
[Phungus, Playtheavy Kru, Athens]

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$15 before midnight I $20 after
All ages I bring your ID
Doors open @ 10pm.

Directions>>
International Ballroom Atlanta
Take I-85, I-75, to I-285, to Buford Highway
(exit 25) turn north, I'Ball is 1.5 miles on the left @
corner of New Peachtree and Buford Highway.

Info line>>
706.546.9447

Promoters I VIP's etc>>.Guest list requests must be submitted by May 16th.
There will be no exceptions.


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eh, is not so bad... s-anyway-s  I smoked UP half of Madison...
seriously... I've smoked UP a lot of people... notice the use of up instead
of out.. this is the way it has always been and the  way it will always
be.. stoner coined term, they/we have claim... up not out!

just bitchin...

oddloud 

>
><<  And to whoever said that Keoki was a dick, well, he was sure cool as
fuck,
> considering that he was real friendly >>
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
><<Yeah... I've heard a tale or two about Keoki's "friendly" nature.  He takes
>a
>real liking to young raver boys.  Just watch out for his evil seduction
>tactics.>>
>
>
>I completly agree w/the second part of this, I found Keoki to be a great Dj,
>but a horrible person.........he's into the scene for monatary gain, even
>though I'm sure he'd say different.(for you people that don't know why don't
>you ask a promoter how much it cost to buy his services for a night) Anyways,
>as far as his seductive tactics are concerned it's not just young boys
>either.....I've seen him receive oral sex from young coked-out raver girls
one
>to many times(not to mention that he could take it to a room but I guess
>prefers to do this in public...)
>*plur*
>DAvid
>


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>>Too bad Carlos played here in Austin Saturday night and not there.
Pretty
>>rude to double book himself.

no doubt... He was booked, deposited, and plane ticketed, but now we know
where he went... :) However... for all you kc heads, stay tuned for a
make-up party!

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last night in moments my thoughts where adrift
and coasting a terrace aproaching a rift
through which I could spy several glimpses beneath
a darkness the light from above could not reach

I spied wings of reason herself taking flight
and upon yonder precipice saw her alight
and glare back at me one last look of dismay
as if she were the last one she'd thought I'd betray

so much the better I thought to myself
and drawing quite close to the top of the shelf
I struggled with destiny up on the ledge
and gasped when defeated he slipped off the edge

and silence contagious in moments like these
consumed me and strengthened my will to appease
the passion that sparked me one terrible night
and shocked and persuaded my soul to ignite

OD


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okay i went to this party
i admit it was not as good as i wanted it to be, but, instead of pouting
about how most of the kids there stood around and gossipped instead of
dancing or sat around on the floor on their damn tweek, i decided i would
dance my ass off.  sure it sucks to hear the same track from practically
every d.j. but you have to get over shit like that.  YOU have to make the
party fun  you can't expect it to be handed to you on a platter.  if it sucks,
leave or do what you can to make it fun.   yeah i was pissed at this party
because once again it was a bunch of kids standing around tweeking
not dancing but i've come to expect that from chicago parties.  i know
that's sad but hey it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon. 
so i put that shit behind me and focus my energy on having a damn good
time.  it's not that hard....

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i give props to rachel.....

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Hey all,

Does anyone in MN own a dat that they would be willing to let me 
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Evolution brings you

Spunday  a holiday thing
Sunday May 24th 1998
the sunday of memorial day weekend

DJs

Justin Long
Halo
the Benman
Larry Breaks
Goatboy
Jason Murphy

plus a second room of local djs


$10 in advance/ $12 at the door.  doors open 10pm

502.569.1969








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People can be mean. 

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On Mon, 18 May 1998, OD wrote:

> eh, is not so bad... s-anyway-s  I smoked UP half of Madison...
> seriously... I've smoked UP a lot of people... notice the use of up instead
> of out.. this is the way it has always been and the  way it will always
> be.. stoner coined term, they/we have claim... up not out!
> 
> just bitchin...
> 
> oddloud 
> 

silence!  all of you!  it's DOWN!  now shut up!


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In a message dated 98-05-19 00:38:31 EDT, you write:
 
 << yeah i was pissed at this party
  because once again it was a bunch of kids standing around tweeking
  not dancing but i've come to expect that from chicago parties.   >>
 
 ok. I don't want to get into the whole rant mode just yet... so right now I'm
just going to pose this question.  Do you think that the parties suck because
they are in chicago... or because they are large parties thrown by people who
continuously throw half-assed parties?  I see a correlation between shitty
vibe and large party... but the whole "it sucks because it's chicago" kinda
miffs me.  Try going to more intimate parties... you'll notice the difference.
 
 So yeah if you're going to go to big parties expect to see a bunch of kids
standing around tweeking not dancing... but don't blame it on chicago. blame
it on your dumbass for supporting a party that was so predicatably lame.
 
 -Peggy 
 (quite tired of hearing people bitch about chicago)
   


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From: Deadphishn <Deadphishn@aol.com>
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In a message dated 98-05-19 00:38:31 EDT, you write:

<< yeah i was pissed at this party
 because once again it was a bunch of kids standing around tweeking
 not dancing but i've come to expect that from chicago parties.   >>

ok. I don't want to get into the whole rant mode just yet... so right now I'm
just going to pose this question.  Do you think that the parties suck because
they are in chicago... or because they are large parties thrown by people who
continuously throw half-assed parties?  I see a correlation between shitty
vibe and large party... but the whole "it sucks because it's chicago" kinda
miffs me.  Try going to more intimate parties... you'll notice the difference.

So yeah if you're going to go to big parties expect to see a bunch of kids
standing around tweeking not dancing... but don't blame it on chicago. blame
it on your dumbass for supporting a party that was so predicatably lame.

-Peggy 
(quite tired of hearing people bitch about chicago)
 

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In a message dated 5/19/1998 1:30:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
evolution_prod@msn.com writes:

> Evolution brings you
>  
>  Spunday  a holiday thing
>  Sunday May 24th 1998
>  the sunday of memorial day weekend
>  
>  DJs
>  
>  Justin Long
>  Halo
>  the Benman
>  Larry Breaks
>  Goatboy
>  Jason Murphy
>  
>  plus a second room of local djs
>  
>  
>  $10 in advance/ $12 at the door.  doors open 10pm
>  
>  502.569.1969
>  
COunt me in if at all possible, and if I am not in COlumbus

Peace
Jared

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hey, so i heard a rumor that there's a party in chicago with optical and
matrix on june 6th...  that's something i definitely wanna go see. anyone
see the flyer yet?  wanna post the lineup?

chris

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	I tried to dance my ass off, I really did.  But, alas, I'm just
one man, and there is only so much getting shoved around that I am
willing to take.  Trust me, my booty was wanting to shake, but I'm just
not willing to fight for it.  Perhaps I give up to easily.  
	I'm aware that only I can make myself have a good time.  However
if there is one thing a party should always be, it should be an
environment conducive to dancing, this party was not.  Most parties are.
And since I was not driving, leaving was not an option.

I'm glad to hear you had more success than I did.

	-Chris Wundram

> ----------
> From: 	Rachel Newton[SMTP:rnewton@wpo.it.luc.edu]
> Sent: 	Saturday, May 16, 1998 4:21 PM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org; c-wundram@taltrade.com
> Subject: 	Windy City Cock Suckers -Reply
> 
> okay i went to this party
> i admit it was not as good as i wanted it to be, but, instead of
> pouting
> about how most of the kids there stood around and gossipped instead of
> dancing or sat around on the floor on their damn tweek, i decided i
> would
> dance my ass off.  sure it sucks to hear the same track from
> practically
> every d.j. but you have to get over shit like that.  YOU have to make
> the
> party fun  you can't expect it to be handed to you on a platter.  if
> it sucks,
> leave or do what you can to make it fun.   yeah i was pissed at this
> party
> because once again it was a bunch of kids standing around tweeking
> not dancing but i've come to expect that from chicago parties.  i know
> that's sad but hey it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime
> soon. 
> so i put that shit behind me and focus my energy on having a damn good
> time.  it's not that hard....
> 

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At 07:10 AM 5/19/98 -0400, you wrote:

>	I tried to dance my ass off, I really did.  But, alas, I'm just

>one man, and there is only so much getting shoved around that I am

>willing to take.  Trust me, my booty was wanting to shake, but I'm just

>not willing to fight for it.  Perhaps I give up to easily.  

>	I'm aware that only I can make myself have a good time.  However

>if there is one thing a party should always be, it should be an

>environment conducive to dancing, this party was not.  Most parties are.

>And since I was not driving, leaving was not an option.


like i said before, i was lucky to have heard boo williams, otherwise i would have had nothing but a shitty time at this party...i found a nice spot by an open window that was out of the line of traffic (till people started crawling through the windows)

and was able to dance for about 45 minutes.


but i agree that this space did not afford much room to dance...but if you are someone who likes to stand in line, you were in hog heaven!


btw, were the only bathrooms in the entire place down that narrow hallway?


peace,

Chad

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</smaller></paraindent><paraindent><param>out,out</param><smaller>phone: i can't tell you ha.
ha. ha. 

hint: how long can you tread water ha. ha. ha.

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        I think promoters sometimes forget that people want to dance at 
     parties.  They know that many people will show up at a party to dance, 
     and still they book small places with many rooms and one door.  I know 
     it's not easy to find big places, but if I'm at a party, I wanna 
     dance, not feel like I'm ata concert.  It seems like the parties I 
     went a few years ago were always at large venues (indoor soccer arenas 
     etc.) with one big room.  Now it seems that many parties are 3 or 4 
     rooms that are too small to accomidate larger groups of people.  I 
     would rather sit through one DJ set that I wasn't too keen on so that 
     I could dance when I wanted to, then be constantly bumped into all 
     night.  Variety is great, and I like many options, but not when it 
     means that I can't do the one thing I'm there to do, dance, then it's 
     a waste of money for me.  I like listening to music, but if I'm going 
     to spend $20, then I would at least like the option to move.  Granted 
     this isn't the case for all parties, but it seems to be happening more 
     and more.  Is it just getting harder to find new spots?
        I also hear a lot of people say that you have to make your own room 
     to dance.  If there are a lot of people just standing around, then I 
     totally agree.  However, I'd hate too think that I ruined someone 
     elses night by taking up their space to dance.  If you can't get up 
     and groove, then you might as well stay home and put on some 
     headphones turn it up real loud, and save your money.  
        Am I just ranting, or do other people see this as well?  Again, I 
     understand that it hard for promoters to find venues, please don't 
     email me saying this.
     
     PLUR
     E
     
     
     
     
     

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>         I think promoters sometimes forget that people want to dance at 
>      parties.  They know that many people will show up at a party to dance, 
>      and still they book small places with many rooms and one door.  I know 
>      it's not easy to find big places, but if I'm at a party, I wanna 
>      dance, not feel like I'm ata concert.  It seems like the parties I 
>      went a few years ago were always at large venues (indoor soccer arenas 
>      etc.) with one big room.  Now it seems that many parties are 3 or 4 
>      rooms that are too small to accomidate larger groups of people.  I 

i gotta pipe up on this subject.....

people bitch cuz they have to hear house (or other disliked music:happy 
hardcore for some) for 1.5 hours and there is no
other music goin on cuz the promoter acquired a huge one room venue.

people bitch cuz the party is crowded because the promoter acquired a
multiroom venue with multiple sound systems (which you CAN NOT EXPECT
elephant doors between the rooms obviously!)

so one way or another its not gonna work...   so quit bitchin and fix the
problem yourself....DIY  the only way to go. you hear what you wanna
hear....you setup the party how you want it setup....the only way to go.

if you dont liek that idea....close your bedroom door and get down and
save 10-25 bucks depending on your location in the midwest. (spend that
13.99 +tax on the new PlastiKman LP...or pick up the classic: Chaistic
Window by Aphex...compilation...recommended highly...comes out next week:
$24.99...well worth the $$$)

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
217.353.5111



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On Mon, 18 May 1998, Jeff wrote:

> OK, lets see.  The info. line was terrible for directions.  It gave
> directions from North, South, and East, but not West, where I was coming
> from.  It turned out to be only a couple blocks from 94 (can't remember
> which exit), but since the closest directions said take 75, we did and

hmmm...my friends and i had a really easy time with directions.  we looked
on the map, and just ended up taking the lodge to 75 from the west, and
375 was right there.


> 
> Anyone else from the list go?  I looked for Sara and her pumpkin full o'
> candy, but didn't see her, or at least she wasn't sportin' her pumpkin.

sara, i saw you walking around with the pumpkin, and later on in the night
i think i saw it floating around somewhere, or maybe sitting on one of the
tables.  the free candy and ice was a really nice touch!! and not to
forget the cheap water - sure as hell saved me from overheating.

for anyone else on the list who went, i always wear a 'winnie pooh and
friends' backpack (tagteam with sara's tigger!!! ;) to parties so say hi
if you see me around. 

overall, i had a great time at aqua velvet.  despite the heat and
humidity, after about 4am people cleared out, and i had a kick ass time
breaking it down to Sonshine downstairs, Disco's set, Traxx and the
others.

peace
Gary


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On Mon, 18 May 1998, Sara wrote:
>  I was totally into Disco D's set- I love booty- at one point a 
>circle opened up around me - come on, I am not that good of a dancer.
>
>

   If you've ever seen Tigger dancin' on Sara's back while Disco is 
spinning ASS...N' TITTIES then you'd know why a circle opened up.


   'neyway, I'm sooo happy this party turned out as well as it did - and 
no cops! It's been months since I attended a partie that didn't either 
get busted or just plain suck. Jeff totally said it w/ his review of 
Huggie. I was really looking forward to Dieselboy, who of course kicked 
ass, but it was Huggie who totally caught me by surprise - just 
phenomenal! I talked to him after and he gave me his card and said he'd 
send out a free mixtape (sweeet!).  
Thanx to everyone for all the love n' hugs! 



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  Oh - before I forget - this is for that that girl who was flyering who 
came all the way from Cleveland (you remember her - she also had those 
HUGE Chicago flyers for Firefly on June 13th). If you see this, e-mail 
me back - I wanna come down to an Ohio party.

Peace,


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        I wasn't trying to bitch, merely commenting on how there seems to 
     be a move to parties with smaller rooms, but more of them.  Thanx for 
     your two cents though.
     
     E


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>         I think promoters sometimes forget that people want to dance at 
>      parties.  They know that many people will show up at a party to dance, 
>      and still they book small places with many rooms and one door.  I know 
>      it's not easy to find big places, but if I'm at a party, I wanna 
>      dance, not feel like I'm ata concert.  It seems like the parties I 
>      went a few years ago were always at large venues (indoor soccer arenas 
>      etc.) with one big room.  Now it seems that many parties are 3 or 4 
>      rooms that are too small to accomidate larger groups of people.  I 
     
i gotta pipe up on this subject.....
     
people bitch cuz they have to hear house (or other disliked music:happy 
hardcore for some) for 1.5 hours and there is no
other music goin on cuz the promoter acquired a huge one room venue.
     
people bitch cuz the party is crowded because the promoter acquired a 
multiroom venue with multiple sound systems (which you CAN NOT EXPECT 
elephant doors between the rooms obviously!)
     
so one way or another its not gonna work...   so quit bitchin and fix the 
problem yourself....DIY  the only way to go. you hear what you wanna 
hear....you setup the party how you want it setup....the only way to go.
     
if you dont liek that idea....close your bedroom door and get down and 
save 10-25 bucks depending on your location in the midwest. (spend that 
13.99 +tax on the new PlastiKman LP...or pick up the classic: Chaistic 
Window by Aphex...compilation...recommended highly...comes out next week: 
$24.99...well worth the $$$)
     
-mikeyD
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> if you dont liek that idea....close your bedroom door and get down and 
> save 10-25 bucks depending on your location in the midwest. (spend that 
> 13.99 +tax on the new PlastiKman LP...or pick up the classic: Chaistic 
> Window by Aphex...compilation...recommended highly...comes out next week: 
> $24.99...well worth the $$$)


i *duh*ed on this one.....after all the damn LaTeX coding ive done today i
misread my email writing (thanks J-Sun!)    it Caustic Window by APhex
Twin thats coming out Real SOON (repress on Rephlex)...and not Chaistic
Slide (or window as i put it)...   damn "a" artists...got me all
defungalized.

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
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MikeyD wrote:
> 
> it Caustic Window by APhex
> Twin thats coming out Real SOON (repress on Rephlex)...and not Chaistic
> Slide (or window as i put it)...   damn "a" artists...got me all
> defungalized.
> 

speaking of all those weird warp records artists, check out

http://www.bigsun.wbs.net/homepages/i/d/m/idmmp3/

lots of yummy out of print autechre mp3's!!!

> -mikeyD
> Rural.AmeriKa
> 217.353.5111

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Hello mw raves massive,
 I am roogirl and i am subscribed to Dcraves on the east coast..duh. I am
at school here in Philly at drexel university . I am 22 and  dj progressive
trance/ house..
 so now that you know a bit about me...


i am requesting info on NEBRASKA RAVES, I have a friend who lives in
Lincoln and wants to party but she hasn't an idea of where to go . i also
an interested in getting booked in Omaha. So if anyone has any info on the
Nebraska masv.. email me privately and let me know.. thank you all so
much!!! Or if you want to email DCRAVES@american.edu feel free we always
love to hear rom ravers across the USA!


Rave the nation!

peace and love,
 dj roogirl
philly raver by geographics
dc raver by heart!



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>people bitch cuz they have to hear house (or other disliked music:happy 
>hardcore for some)

*gasp* some people don't like happy hardcore???!!!! I guess I'll just 
have to work harder to get people to like it... :)

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In a message dated 98-05-19 09:34:56 EDT, mikeyd@pubnix.org writes:

<< people bitch cuz they have to hear house (or other disliked music:happy 
 hardcore for some) >>

     well...well...well...  I think that this is a very biased opinion, I can
see as how there would be a group of  people that do not like happy
hardcore... there is even a group that does not like house (I am one of
them)... but to say that people bitch is something else... 

      It would be nice if you could write me back withe the kinds of music
that EVERY raver is into these days... because being into happy hardcore
leaves me out of step... perhaps you could point me in a better direction...


hahaha
eric spex!

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>         I think promoters sometimes forget that people want to dance at 
>      parties.  They know that many people will show up at a party to dance, 
>      and still they book small places with many rooms and one door.  I know 
>      it's not easy to find big places, but if I'm at a party, I wanna 
>      dance, not feel like I'm ata concert.  It seems like the parties I 
>      went a few years ago were always at large venues (indoor soccer arenas 
>      etc.) with one big room.  Now it seems that many parties are 3 or 4 
>      rooms that are too small to accomidate larger groups of people.  I 

i gotta pipe up on this subject.....

people bitch cuz they have to hear house (or other disliked music:happy 
hardcore for some) for 1.5 hours and there is no
other music goin on cuz the promoter acquired a huge one room venue.

people bitch cuz the party is crowded because the promoter acquired a
multiroom venue with multiple sound systems (which you CAN NOT EXPECT
elephant doors between the rooms obviously!)

so one way or another its not gonna work...   so quit bitchin and fix the
problem yourself....DIY  the only way to go. you hear what you wanna
hear....you setup the party how you want it setup....the only way to go.

if you dont liek that idea....close your bedroom door and get down and
save 10-25 bucks depending on your location in the midwest. (spend that
13.99 +tax on the new PlastiKman LP...or pick up the classic: Chaistic
Window by Aphex...compilation...recommended highly...comes out next week:
$24.99...well worth the $$$)

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
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Rachel Newton wrote:
> 
> okay i went to this party
> i admit it was not as good as i wanted it to be, but, instead of pouting
> about how most of the kids there stood around and gossipped instead of
> dancing or sat around on the floor on their damn tweek, i decided i would
> dance my ass off.  sure it sucks to hear the same track from practically
> every d.j. but you have to get over shit like that.  YOU have to make the
> party fun  you can't expect it to be handed to you on a platter.  if it sucks,
> leave or do what you can to make it fun.   yeah i was pissed at this party
> because once again it was a bunch of kids standing around tweeking
> not dancing but i've come to expect that from chicago parties.  i know
> that's sad but hey it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon.
> so i put that shit behind me and focus my energy on having a damn good
> time.  it's not that hard....


Sorry to hear that some people didn't enjoy the party this past weekend
as much as they would have liked to.  I hate to say it, but, I
understand your grief.  Myself as a promoter started to feel the same
lack of energy at parties and it was very very disheartening to me.  As
much as I love raving and have been raving for years, raves have lost
their passion and appeal to me for the most part.  i wait for the
special events.  The Even FUrthers, the Voodoos, The Emerald Cities, the
D-Days, etc. Etc.  Or, I just look to enjoy a nice smaller gig at a loft
or someone's apartment.  Or i just enjoy a night at a club.  Clubs
really really suck though.  This is why we went into the venture with
Metro.  The type of crowd that has been coming out to the Deluxe events
is primarily made up of ravers who don't like the raves today nor like
the clubs.  it's an event made just for us.  Rachel, maybe you should
check it out sometime.  You might enjoy it.  At least you know what to
do though at a party.  If it doesn't feel fun, try and make some fun
happen.  It's all that we can do as partiers on the dance floor.  I
really hope that things come around soon.  WE're doing our best to bring
something special to the scene and to try to continue to enjoy throwing
events.  it's hard to continue though.  Losing money is one thing when
the party is the bomb, but when you lose money constantly and you don't
even enjoy the party that makes it quite impossible to continue.  Well,
good luck finding the power that we all know still exists...if you find
a good vibe, let us know where it is yeah?

still dancing

PURE/WPCM

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DJ Elroy wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone...
> 
> Okay, I heard this song on a mixtape that I have, but I can't really
> describe it. Really dreamy vocals, cool snare drum pattern, but I didn't
> think that would be enough, so I decided to encode it in RealAudio and
> put it up for a day so anyone could help me ID it. It's of the
> progressive house genre...I think... :-)
> 
> Here's the link:
> http://ww4.choice.net/~weasel3/trackid.ram
> 
> You need the Realplayer.
> 
> I really apprecite any help in finding out what it is. Thanks very, very
> much.
> 
> -Ben / Elroy

Sorry I can't help with the track ID. I'd like to find out what it is.
It's a sweet track. My friend, Chris Walsh, and myslef spin this type of
progressive house/trance. I'll ask Chris if he knows the song or has it. 

Question? Do people in the midwest/Chicago like this sound?

If you would like a free tape by me and chris, send a self addressed
stamped ($1 worth of postage) to 
Chris Walsh & Chad Sommer
778 Kearsage 
Elmhurst IL 60126

Our new tag-team progressive tape will be done in a few weeks and we'll
be happy to send one to anyone that is interested.

-Chad Sommer

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THiS WILL BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



SATURDAY JUNE 6, 1998
CHICAGO IL USA
JUDGEMENT NIGHT
SOURCE Productions in collaboration with Chicago's Snuggle bunny Crew team up
to give you a night never to forget. 4 Live PA'S 2 Dance your ass Off!!
All djs are confirmed. 100% legal Permitted venue.
LIVE PA'S
ACID JUNKIES DJAX RECORDS,PerformingLive
MARK VERBOS Hyper Space, Drop Bass...
RIOT NERDS SNUGGLE BUNNY CREW. UR...
KID ENTROPYCosmic Breaks,Q-System

SPINNING ARE AS FOLLOWS
MICKEY FINN Urban Take over Records.
BRISK London england, very own Hardcore veteran
OLIVER DE SOTOfog area records,germany
SPEEDDEMONCLASHBAKK RECORDS, SBC
CO DJAX Ellery Cowles & Steve Poindexter, source
ROBERT ARMANI, AVC, DJAX RECORDS
SUBMERGE101 RSS RECORDS, SOURCE
DJ DAMIENJUDGEMENTDAY RECORDS, Source
ARLAN DERUSSYSnuggle Bunny, UR

SOURCE INFO 773-509-8145 
SNUGGLE BUNNY UR. 312-409-3752
 ALSO DON'T FORGET 
SOURCE PRESENTS
WIERD SCIENCE MAY 22, 1998
FEATURING  
DAVID HOLLANDS
MISTOPHELEOUS
MYSTICAL INFLUENCE
DJ SWITCH
PAUL JOHNSON
ELLERY COWLES
SUBMERGE101 / FRANKIE VEGA
PHIL FREE ART
DJ DAMIEN
JETHROX
MISS BIO BOOSTER
AND MANY MORE






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if u r a promoter, u would know that that space costs alot of $$$ to rent
out.... u cannot prodict how many ppl would go.....just wonder if u saw the
ENTIRE place open....that was like 3/4 of it only......

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spaces are hard to find these days, they dont grow on trees........why do u
think the same places are used over and over agagin

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I found out (through a courtious person on the list) that the song is
"Sunstroke" by Chicane. So, if anyone feels like buying it, that's what
is. :-)

-Ben

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FRIDAY MAY 22nd 1998
WIERD SCIENCE
SESSION1.0
PAUL JOHNSON ONE OF CHICAGO"S TOP JOCK, CELEBRATES HIS BIRTHDAY ON THIS NIGHT!

ROBERT ARMANI DJAX, ACV. TALENTED HARHOUSE PRODUCER!!!!

ELLERY COWLES RSS RECORDS, HYBRID, SOURCE, SUPERSTAR TECHNO DJ!

TECHNO ALLIANCE 4 TURNTABLE UNIFICATION
FRANKIEVEGA / SUBMERGE
               MUSHGROOVE FOUNDER                 RSS RECORDS, SOURCE

DAVID HOLLANDS
One of the top midwest heroes returns from NY in over a year. On Minimal wage
records 

MISTICAL INFLUENCE
Toronto, Vinyl Syndicate Reords Bringingthedubplatepressure!

DJ SWITCH
Direct from the UK Making his first Midwest appearance, One of UK's  Top
hardcore Djs

MISTOPHELOUS
One of the top garage house dj from Frankford Germany making his first
appearance here.

JETHROX DROP BASS NETWORK

PHIL FREE ART, CHICAGO GRANDFATHER OF HAPPY HARDCORE

DJ DAMIEN Source judgement Day UK.

FULL SCALE SOUND, FULL SCALE, LIGHTS, FULL SCALE LASER, WITHOUT THE FULL SCALE
PRICE....
THE SOURCE WAY
773-509-8145









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Is this flyer fully updated or did they decide to change things?  The real
flyer has in addition to the Djs you listed these:

Miss Djax
Terry Hunter
Phantom 45 
Efex
Dr. Groo
Dj Lion
and others

needless to say these DJs make the lineup that much more impressive.  So
whats the story? I just saw this eflyer appear in the last update and I
just got the real flyer this weekend...

Adam Meadows


On Tue, 19 May 1998, Panked wrote:

> THiS WILL BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> SATURDAY JUNE 6, 1998
> CHICAGO IL USA
> JUDGEMENT NIGHT
> SOURCE Productions in collaboration with Chicago's Snuggle bunny Crew team up
> to give you a night never to forget. 4 Live PA'S 2 Dance your ass Off!!
> All djs are confirmed. 100% legal Permitted venue.
> LIVE PA'S
> ACID JUNKIES DJAX RECORDS,PerformingLive
> MARK VERBOS Hyper Space, Drop Bass...
> RIOT NERDS SNUGGLE BUNNY CREW. UR...
> KID ENTROPYCosmic Breaks,Q-System
> 
> SPINNING ARE AS FOLLOWS
> MICKEY FINN Urban Take over Records.
> BRISK London england, very own Hardcore veteran
> OLIVER DE SOTOfog area records,germany
> SPEEDDEMONCLASHBAKK RECORDS, SBC
> CO DJAX Ellery Cowles & Steve Poindexter, source
> ROBERT ARMANI, AVC, DJAX RECORDS
> SUBMERGE101 RSS RECORDS, SOURCE
> DJ DAMIENJUDGEMENTDAY RECORDS, Source
> ARLAN DERUSSYSnuggle Bunny, UR
> 


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PURE/WPCM wrote:
> 
> Rachel Newton wrote:
> >
> > okay i went to this party
> > i admit it was not as good as i wanted it to be, but, instead of pouting
> > about how most of the kids there stood around and gossipped instead of
> > dancing or sat around on the floor on their damn tweek, i decided i would
> > dance my ass off.  sure it sucks to hear the same track from practically
> > every d.j. but you have to get over shit like that.  YOU have to make the
> > party fun  you can't expect it to be handed to you on a platter.  if it sucks,
> > leave or do what you can to make it fun.   yeah i was pissed at this party
> > because once again it was a bunch of kids standing around tweeking
> > not dancing but i've come to expect that from chicago parties.  i know
> > that's sad but hey it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon.
> > so i put that shit behind me and focus my energy on having a damn good
> > time.  it's not that hard....
> 
> Sorry to hear that some people didn't enjoy the party this past weekend
> as much as they would have liked to.  I hate to say it, but, I
> understand your grief.  Myself as a promoter started to feel the same
> lack of energy at parties and it was very very disheartening to me.  As
> much as I love raving and have been raving for years, raves have lost
> their passion and appeal to me for the most part.  i wait for the
> special events.  The Even FUrthers, the Voodoos, The Emerald Cities, the
> D-Days, etc. Etc.  Or, I just look to enjoy a nice smaller gig at a loft
> or someone's apartment.  Or i just enjoy a night at a club.  Clubs
> really really suck though.  This is why we went into the venture with
> Metro.  The type of crowd that has been coming out to the Deluxe events
> is primarily made up of ravers who don't like the raves today nor like
> the clubs.  it's an event made just for us.  Rachel, maybe you should
> check it out sometime.  You might enjoy it.  At least you know what to
> do though at a party.  If it doesn't feel fun, try and make some fun
> happen.  It's all that we can do as partiers on the dance floor.  I
> really hope that things come around soon.  WE're doing our best to bring
> something special to the scene and to try to continue to enjoy throwing
> events.  it's hard to continue though.  Losing money is one thing when
> the party is the bomb, but when you lose money constantly and you don't
> even enjoy the party that makes it quite impossible to continue.  Well,
> good luck finding the power that we all know still exists...if you find
> a good vibe, let us know where it is yeah?
> 
> still dancing
> 
> PURE/WPCM


You want a vibe?  Find a way to be at Brockout101 Thursday night May
21st at Liar's club on Fullrton in Chicago.  It don't get no betta!  For
5 bux!!!  I'm funna Rockout at Brockout!  Can't forget Even Futhur NEXT
WEEK too!!!!

b bEAN

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Adam Leon Meadows wrote:
> 
> Is this flyer fully updated or did they decide to change things?  The real
> flyer has in addition to the Djs you listed these:
> 
> Miss Djax
> Terry Hunter
> Phantom 45
> Efex
> Dr. Groo
> Dj Lion
> and others
> 
> needless to say these DJs make the lineup that much more impressive.  So
> whats the story? I just saw this eflyer appear in the last update and I
> just got the real flyer this weekend...
> 
> Adam Meadows
> 
> On Tue, 19 May 1998, Panked wrote:
> 
> > THiS WILL BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > SATURDAY JUNE 6, 1998
> > CHICAGO IL USA
> > JUDGEMENT NIGHT
> > SOURCE Productions in collaboration with Chicago's Snuggle bunny Crew team up
> > to give you a night never to forget. 4 Live PA'S 2 Dance your ass Off!!
> > All djs are confirmed. 100% legal Permitted venue.
> > LIVE PA'S
> > ACID JUNKIES DJAX RECORDS,PerformingLive
> > MARK VERBOS Hyper Space, Drop Bass...
> > RIOT NERDS SNUGGLE BUNNY CREW. UR...
> > KID ENTROPYCosmic Breaks,Q-System
> >
> > SPINNING ARE AS FOLLOWS
> > MICKEY FINN Urban Take over Records.
> > BRISK London england, very own Hardcore veteran
> > OLIVER DE SOTOfog area records,germany
> > SPEEDDEMONCLASHBAKK RECORDS, SBC
> > CO DJAX Ellery Cowles & Steve Poindexter, source
> > ROBERT ARMANI, AVC, DJAX RECORDS
> > SUBMERGE101 RSS RECORDS, SOURCE
> > DJ DAMIENJUDGEMENTDAY RECORDS, Source
> > ARLAN DERUSSYSnuggle Bunny, UR
> >
  ***Or***
You could go up to Milwaukee and check out Zinc & MC Rage, DJ
HURRICANE!!!, Mixmaster Mike, Derrick May, Drew Sutherland & Corey
Love(!?!)  All at the Mecca, all confirmed.  If you don't wanna be
disapointed, check it, check it out....

FYI
bEANs

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Hi.  This is Kaci, aka Skye.  I thought I should introduce
myself...well, I live in Cincinnati, and I'm not a DJ but I'm trying to
learn.  I like almost all forms of music, and if I can dance to it, I
will. 

If you'd like to listen, I do a show on the Olaris network called "Clear
Skyes".  The genre of what I play varies a lot, but I'm open to any
suggestions too.  The url is:

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3326/newrave.html

Just look for the show title, and you'll find it eventually.  I do a
show about once a week, but they're archived.  And Elroy is usually kind
enough to advertise the showtimes ahead of time, so....

Thanks.  
-Kaci / Skye

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Adam Leon Meadows wrote:
> 
> 

> >
> > SATURDAY JUNE 6, 1998
> > CHICAGO IL USA
> > JUDGEMENT NIGHT


> > MICKEY FINN Urban Take over Records.
> 

You could go up to Milwaukee and check out Zinc & MC Rage, DJ
HURRICANE!!!, Mixmaster Mike, Derrick May, Drew Sutherland & Corey
Love(!?!)  All at the Mecca, all confirmed.  If you don't wanna be
disapointed, check it, check it out....

FYI
bEANs

hmm hmmm hmmm brewtown or chitown? Fuck busttown err chi....
hows about some kick ass dj's i haven't seen but always wanted to!!!!
i think i will miss mickey finn again and bust a move to zinc rage, hurricane, mike and who knew derrick may in the midwest?
shimmy shimmy ya!
peace out

np  sensitive mackin' 2 - flux

boot boot



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>Two breaks rooms?  A typo I am guessing?
yup, a typo.  correction made.  sorry for waste of bandwidth.

>> saturday june 6, recon productions presents...
>> 
>>                         MISSION ALPHA
>>                             dayton, oh
>> 
>>                              featuring
>> <-->beats room<-->
>> ~NITRO~ dialated network/next-strand/recon ~ kansas city
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>> ~GIZZMO~ the krakomo kidz/recon ~ indy
>> ~NEXUS~ recon/war zone records ~ d-town
>> 
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>> ~AMDROMEDA~ recon/war zone records ~ chi-town
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>> 
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>> 
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How many of you have heard  Funky Desert Breaks by DJ John Kelley?
I just posted this cuz I am listening to it now and haven't heard it in a
while
and forgot how KICK ASS it is.  Particularly track 4 which is entitled
Everybody Thinks I'm High - the Remix '96 by DJ Voodoo and the Liquid
Method.  Ahhhh,  there's the line I was waiting to hear.  Now drop that
fuckin' bass!

Jus' babblin,

Flipper

Where there is much desire to learn,
there of necessity will be much arguing,
much writing, many opinions; for opinion
in good men is but knowledge in the making.

                                          --Milton



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> THiS WILL BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> SATURDAY JUNE 6, 1998
> CHICAGO IL USA
> JUDGEMENT NIGHT
> SOURCE Productions in collaboration with Chicago's Snuggle bunny Crew team
up
> to give you a night never to forget. 4 Live PA'S 2 Dance your ass Off!!
> All djs are confirmed. 100% legal Permitted venue.
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I thought I wrote I was just foolin around... anyway, I was... I still
think it sounds kinda dumb...

At 10:55 AM 5/19/98, you wrote:
>At 23:10 18/05/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>eh, is not so bad... s-anyway-s  I smoked UP half of Madison...
>>seriously... I've smoked UP a lot of people... notice the use of up instead
>>of out.. this is the way it has always been and the  way it will always
>>be.. stoner coined term, they/we have claim... up not out!
>
>Ummmm....hullo??!?!?  Glad to know you're the expert on drug terminology
>there buddy.  Could you be any more insulting to the list than you already
>have been?  I guess I shouldn't say that, I'll soon find out.
>
>
> ~~Koog~~Tracy                  _@_/` \_e_/"|_G_/~ O ~\_Q_/`\_8_| _@_/"\_9_/
>tkoogler@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu   / }}    (*)   }}   /|\  (.)   (*) /[#]   {{
>                              ~  \\    /|  ~\/\  _===_ ===_  //   / \/` / \
>                                 //    \\     /  [_________] \\   \     \ /
>                                 ~~     ~~   ~     ^    ^     ~~   ~    ~ ~
>Scott on Scotland:  Incidentally, why do the chip shops run by the most
>inherently 
>Scottish individuals in Edinburgh all have names that sound Mediteranean or
>tropical?  La Palma, Franco, Pasquale... I don't think you'd catch anyone
>in Italy named Pasquale eating a deep fried Mars Bar.
>


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>silence!  all of you!  it's DOWN!  now shut up!
>

I could go fer that...

od


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>How many of you have heard  Funky Desert Breaks by DJ John Kelley?

hate to say it, as i find the funky breaks genre a bit fulla cheeze as of
late, but yeah - john kelley drops the bombs when it comes to that style.
 i prefer volume2 of the funkydesertbreaks over volume1, but both are
awite.

*shrug*

jawsh!

np: mr.funky.shit - trippin.and.skippin.high

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    (talk about cheeze and funky breaks!!!!!)

    ;)

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uh, stead of gettin all stoopidcheezy and huffypuffy bout the correct
terminology, lets remember that various slang words are different in
various parts of the world.  not only the world, but the country.  not
only the country, but the state.  not only the state, but the city.  and
in extreme cases, not only the city, but the block.

its the same sorta thang as dialects.

relax.

i personally, prefer "i smoked bongs last wifth so-n-so."

but, who am i?

*hugs.nugs.n.breakbeats*

jawsh!

"what lies behind us and what lies before
us are tiny matters compared to what lies
within us"
                    - ralph waldo emerson

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This is obviously not 'rave-related' but I think we all do enough web=20
browsing and this product is damn cheap for what it (alledgedly) does.



Steven J=09=09=09|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com=09| what can be done with fewer."
http://barkingcat.org=09=09|=09- William of Occam (c1285-1349)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:16:02 -0500
From: Richard Thieme <rthieme@thiemeworks.com>
To: rthieme@thiemeworks.com
Subject: Imaginary Gardens. I Dunno. May 18, 1998

I Dunno
by Richard Thieme

They used to call it the "Silly Season" years ago, when newspapers ran
reports of all sorts of crazy things, the kinds of things we read today in
tabloids in line at the supermarket.=20

Some days it's best to declare a Silly Season at work and let the sand in
our overloaded brains filter through a sifter into maybe a different
pattern. As when we're surfing the Web, struggling to see a bigger picture
when the way the information is arranged makes it impossible. We feel the
edges of our minds like too many fingers playing with too many toys. That's
when, instead of driving ourselves forward, we ought to engage in "wu wei"
or "not doing."

Susan Gerhart is managing partner of Research Outlet and Integration
(http://www.roir.com or  http://206.113.131.19). She's the primary
programmer of ROIR's Lodestar toolset, which includes twURL, a clever tool
for filtering thousands of URLs into manageable patterns.=20

Asked about the search for useful Internet tools, Gerhart said, "What is
lacking is kind of an empirical question: What do people actually do [when
searching on the Internet]? I've tried to get people to describe what their
needs are. But it's all so new. It's almost like we don't have the
vocabulary to describe what the problems are."

The definition of a problem is often the biggest part of the problem, our
questions more important than our answers. We don't know what we don't
know, but knowing that we don't know can fling us into a teachable space.=
=20

That's when we need sandbox time. That's when the trustworthy parts of our
brains can imagine different questions, even the silliest ones, which then
begin to sort themselves like data returned by twURL into a Bigger Picture
=85 and the real purpose of our searching quietly rises like wind and we so=
ar.


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http://www.mpman.com



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hey, I was wondring does anyone know where transformation  will be? i need to
get hooked up with a ride...  if anyone will be passing through clevland
heights area or near.. please email me  thanks
 shayne
   crazyme33@aol.com

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does it?  i think this would be about the same trouble, if not more, than a
CD player.  for an idea like this to work well (a portable MP3 player), i
think there needs to be a better way to transfer data on to the player.
maybe when cd burners come standard on a CD-ROM drive and portable CD
players will be able to read data (ie a CD-R can hold over 8 hours of MP3
audio) will the idea take off.  that would be the best thing, in my
opinion.  besides, you can't carry around a hard drive with all your MP3s
with you to download onto the player.  i can carry TONS of minidisks and
cds, never have to flip them over, and still get 16-bit sound
reproduction.  maybe a version that read zip or clik disks would be
cooler.  you could buy the player as a combination MP3 player and removable
media reader.  i really don't have a problem switching things as small as
zip disks.  hell, it's a lot easier than hooking up an RS-232 to a little
box and doing a lot of clicking!

i dunno.  i guess if i had thought of all these ideas, i would have been
making lots of money a long time ago.  it only gets better!

peace
chris

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> Steven J                        |"It is vain to do with more
> http://radiodistortion.com      | what can be done with fewer."
> http://barkingcat.org           |       - William of Occam (c1285-1349)




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Subject: THANK YOU MW RAVERS!


 hey all,
 I would like to thank all of you who responded so quickly to my post.
 You guys really exemplifiy all that i have heard about MW ravers.. super
cool super nice.. super old school cool! The heart BEAT of america- MW
Ravers!

 thanks again. When i come out to spin i will let all of you know..

mean while check out the website..
http://www.mediagraphic.com/roogirl

 PLUR from the east coast!.
 roogirl



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yah man, I was just jokin atound, I thought people would get it... guess
not...

At 06:28 PM 5/19/98 EDT, you wrote:
>uh, stead of gettin all stoopidcheezy and huffypuffy bout the correct
>terminology, lets remember that various slang words are different in
>various parts of the world.  not only the world, but the country.  not
>only the country, but the state.  not only the state, but the city.  and
>in extreme cases, not only the city, but the block.
>
>its the same sorta thang as dialects.
>
>relax.
>
>i personally, prefer "i smoked bongs last wifth so-n-so."
>
>but, who am i?
>
>*hugs.nugs.n.breakbeats*
>
>jawsh!
>
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do they have any cool raves in greece? cus I'm gonna be there...

od


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 i prefer volume2 of the funkydesertbreaks over volume1, but both are
awite.


I did not know there was a volume 2, I'm gonna have to rush out and get it
now.
I agree that most of the "breaks" heard in the midwest are overly
homogenized,
that's why I prefer west coast breaks.  And as far as west coast breaks go,
you
can't beat the Moontribe DJs.

Peace!

Flipper


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 The heart BEAT of america- MW

>Ravers!


no no no!! you are thinking of chevy trucks :)


if you listen real close on a quiet night, you can hear fords rusting.


peace,

Chad

<paraindent><param>out,out</param>-                                      
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</smaller></paraindent><paraindent><param>out,out</param><smaller>phone: i can't tell you ha.
ha. ha. 

hint: how long can you tread water ha. ha. ha.

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all american cars except new caddys and 97+ chevy impalas suck.  get a
mercedes.  safest cars in the world.  sorry for the waste, but i have a
great aversion to vehicles that suck.

peace+good driving
chris

Chad Sponholz wrote:

> The heart BEAT of america- MW
> >Ravers!
>
> no no no!! you are thinking of chevy trucks :)
>
> if you listen real close on a quiet night, you can hear fords rusting.
>
> peace,
> Chad




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If you are sick of the same old dj's and venues come check out our next
attempt this friday. 

In a BRAND NEW VIRGIN VENUE about a half an hour away from downtown
chi-town.


10 dollar event. (please bring canned food)

the space is a convereted theater (with flat floors...it kind of looks
like an air plane hanger from the outside) and we have written permission
from the mayor and cheif of police of the suburb it will be held in) to
rock hard until 6am.  We are really excited about this parties potential.
So please support us as we try to bring the chi-town scene back where it
should be.


thank you.

-Matt, Dan, & Luis

********Remember the Magic  FRIDAY May 22nd 1998   chicago il.********


Positive Kids in association with Full Spectrum and Break Beat Down ask
you to embrace your culture, explore our roots...and Remember the Magic

an old skool event thrown old skool style, with an old skool vibe......


ACID PIMP_Chesire Records Detroit:  slammin the acid

Dj 3D - Forte records:      Breaking out the Uk Old Skool

Xanthous- Untranslatable.concept:       Live PA technonlogy at its finest.

MaddGroove-MushGroove/Incredibeets:  Bringing you an old skool acid treat

Luis Aguilera-WHPK full spectrum:  Droppin a suprise set you won't forget

Dave Siska- -WNUR:  North Western radio, techno experince.
**************************************************************************

10$ with can food donation.

main info

Positive Kids  773-509-6437
Full Spectrum  773-509-6343
Break Beat down 312-329-6126

add. info  773-509-6428
NOTE:some of pre-fliers say limited capacity...this is no longer true due
to brand new super phat virgin venue.

For inforamtion on crash space leave a messgae on the Break Beat Down
Line.


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hey...i was wondering if anyone had heard anything about proceed on june 
6th...(i have been stuck in white H20 for too long)...i was wondering 
what the rumors n stuff were with dj hurricane and the "special guests"  
it would be really great if someone could tell me what is going on...  
=)  thanks in advance


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>********Remember the Magic  FRIDAY May 22nd 1998   chicago il.********


no, no, no...you meant to say SATURDAY right??? right?  because i'm covering someone's shift on friday, so obviously you didn't mean that this party was going on THAT night.


fix it. :)


Chad

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ha. ha. 

hint: how long can you tread water ha. ha. ha.

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At 17:21 19/05/98 -0500, OD wrote:
>I thought I wrote I was just foolin around... anyway, I was... I still
>think it sounds kinda dumb...

Well, since a certain 'OD' character posted my PRIVATE message to the list,
thought I would pipe up ~only~ for a minute....some things belong in
personal mail, if you get something in personal mail that obviously
~for~~you~ (i.e. they kept it off the list for legitimate reasons, like
saving a little bandwidth)...keep it there, all right?  Sometimes there are
better ways to get the message across to someone than starting a flame war
on a public list, right?

The cynical bitch,


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i know its a little (mebbe even a lot) late by now, but.

did anyone on this list make it to any of the dates on the nija.tune
tour?  or know anyone who did?  if so, is there any possibility getting a
review re.posted or re.written?  or posted/written for the first time? 
public or private, its all good.

thanks in advance.

jawsh!

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hi
sorr about this wasted space

i just  wanted to know if anyone wants to trade tapes
hardcore proferrably
ill trade my hardcore tapes for yours
if anyone is seriously interested please email me
i also have a bunch of house tapes

thanks
dustin 

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 20 02:33:49 1998
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it makes it harder for cops and crap to find out where they are so they
dont bust it the second they see it - it makes it more underground
dustin

On Thu, 14 May 1998 20:29:05 PDT "Kelli H" <mailboxgirl@hotmail.com>
writes:
>Hello,
>
>Why are the locations of raves usually kept secret until the day of 
>it?  
>Most now are legal.  The place is rented and all that.  No one's 
>breaking into some warehouse.  Is this just to make things seem 
>spontaneous?  Is it only a tradition thing?  what what what?
>I'm probably being a little bitter :) 'cause I don't have a car, so if 
>
>it's too far I can't go, and I usually have to get cabs, which makes 
>an 
>expensive night.
>
>'bye, 
>  K
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 20 03:08:58 1998
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>does it?  i think this would be about the same trouble, if not more, than a
>CD player.  for an idea like this to work well (a portable MP3 player), i
>think there needs to be a better way to transfer data on to the player.
>maybe when cd burners come standard on a CD-ROM drive and portable CD
>players will be able to read data (ie a CD-R can hold over 8 hours of MP3
>audio) will the idea take off.  that would be the best thing, in my
>opinion.  besides, you can't carry around a hard drive with all your MP3s
>with you to download onto the player.  i can carry TONS of minidisks and
>cds, never have to flip them over, and still get 16-bit sound
>reproduction.  maybe a version that read zip or clik disks would be
>cooler.  you could buy the player as a combination MP3 player and removable
>media reader.  i really don't have a problem switching things as small as
>zip disks.  hell, it's a lot easier than hooking up an RS-232 to a little
>box and doing a lot of clicking!


check out Virtual Turntables @ http://carrot.prohosting.com - its a program
for mixing mp3's with pitch control, etc... pretty neat program to play
around with. i've DJ'd with it a few times, and its kinda cool, except for
having to drag your computer around. it's still pretty new, so after the
author gets all the bugs worked out, and adds some cool features, it might
change everything :)

[orbital]@#mp3rave - efnet
dj-dxm@hempseed.com





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At 03:04 AM 5/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 18 May 1998, James Martin wrote:
>
>> 
>> Ok guys...heather heart did play later on in the night and so did God Of
>> The Machine (i didn't see God Of The Machine because i was soo pissed off
>> at this party that i went and slept in the car.) My friends said they
>> rocked but they didn't have the dancers..Heather Heart kicked ass that was
>> the highlight of the night...I dont' want to write a full review on this
>> party cause basically it sucked ass..It disappointed me a lot....all i got
>> to say is fuck Wilhelm K and his rip off parties..anyway i'm out..hope to
>> see some of you guysd at Spun Day it should rock..Tim always throws a bomb
>> party..
>> James
>> 
>
>Hey,
>
>What room did Heather and God play in.  I was told by some one that worked
>there that the theater room was shut down at 5:00.  Did it start back up?
>My friend who stayed all night said she wasnt in the lobby room.  
>
>Course it wouldn't suprise me if they lied about yet another thing that
>night...
>
>Just curious
>
>Adam Meadows


She was in the main room i'd say around 3:00-3:30 i think it was 3:30...she
played the dopest set..highlight of my night..Ok I was told that God Of The
machine wasn't goin to play..So i was like ok I'll go to sleep in the
car..I talked to my friends and they said i missed God Of The Machine..I
was sooo pissed..ALl I got to say that the party basically sucked..except
for some djs..I hope Wilhelm never throws another party again and moves his
fat ass to Cali..Anyway that's enough bitchin i'm just glad Step Into A
Shithole is over with...Btw Adam if your goin to Spunday do you want to
meet?? I always like meetin people from the list...
James



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Just wondering...has anyone not bought a ticket to Tori Amos but intend on
going? I really want to go but am not too crazy about sitting half a zip
code away from my friends, who already bought their tix...

Amene
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why you, wanna tweakie tweakie? 
Just to lighten things up a bit on the listy list
top 10 really good reasons to do speed

10. dammit, i can't whip out ryu's combos fast enough
9. my friends don't like me unless i talk fast
8. ritalin gives me gas
7. because you meet such interesting people in rehab
6. the coffee they gave me was laced. fucking cia-dod-nsa spooks     
trying to kill my ass - i'll give 'em 6 FUCKING ROUNDS OF...u    
5. guns 'n' roses just doesn't sound right without it
4. well, you know, since i quit coke, i just don't feel like a person     
without something up my nose.
3. because you can speaker-worship and not notice that you're going     
DEAF
2. the words "tweak", "krank", "junkie", "addict" and "loser" seem     
like the perfect labels for me
1. BECAUSE I LOVE CLEANING HOUSES



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Thanks, this program is so phat!  Maybe even a loser like me can mix
something.  Also I think the Mpman is a great idea except for the little
memory...  Come on 16 megs?!?!?!   And for $200 more you can have a whole 64
megs!!!   Please, I've got more mp3's than that...  I'm up to like 200 megs
at least, and I know there's people out there more obsessed with these
things than me...
love
josh
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> Thanks, this program is so phat!  Maybe even a loser like me can mix
> something.  Also I think the Mpman is a great idea except for the little
> memory...  Come on 16 megs?!?!?!   And for $200 more you can have a whole 64
> megs!!!

I still strongly believe that MD, at least for the forseeable
future, is the way to go.  Multiple rumors have pegged a HD-MD (640
MB compressed capacity) as the drive going in the PSX/64.  If so,
Sony has even a stronger reason to make HD-MD a reality; not that MD
isn't immensely popular in Asia already.

And when/if HD-MD makes it as a widely available format, all hell
will break loose.

Wired ran a piece on MD a few months ago where they labled it as so
much outdated hype; a recent blurb praises it.  Not that Wired is
the bible of all things tech - far from it.  But if even this
dufus-tekhipster rag can come around, there's hope for U.S.
consumers.  ;)



- Craig

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In a message dated 98-05-19 18:30:14 EDT, you write:

> i personally, prefer "i smoked bongs last wifth so-n-so."
>  
>  but, who am i?

hmmm, in my part of the Detroit suburbs, we said "blew" more than "smoked."
"yeah, me and so-n-so blew a bowl and sat at Denny's all night.  hu-huh hu-
huh..."

also, i'd never heard the term "kind" 'til i moved to Chi.  "ya just wanna go
to my place and chill out w/ some kind buds."

cheers
Blue

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In NY, where I moved to Chicago from, it's referred to ask "smokin' a bone" or
"pullin' a tube" (bone meaning joint and tube meaning bong).  "Snowcaps" are
joints laced with cocaine and lsd is referred to as "tabs".  At least that's
what we called 'em.





B

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In a message dated 5/19/98 11:10:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
theworm@evansville.net writes:

> She was in the main room i'd say around 3:00-3:30 i think it was 3:30...she
>  played the dopest set..highlight of my night..Ok I was told that God Of The
>  machine wasn't goin to play..So i was like ok I'll go to sleep in the
>  car..I talked to my friends and they said i missed God Of The Machine..I
>  was sooo pissed..ALl I got to say that the party basically sucked..except
>  for some djs..I hope Wilhelm never throws another party again and moves his
>  fat ass to Cali..Anyway that's enough bitchin i'm just glad Step Into A
>  Shithole is over with...Btw Adam if your goin to Spunday do you want to
>  meet?? I always like meetin people from the list...

talked to the guy who did the sound in the main room, raw, unit park, god of
the machine, and heather heart did not play, his speakers, he would know who
was using them...

paul

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There's one thing that Judgement Day has that most if not all Midwest parties
lack- happy hardcore. Variety...something that so many parties lack
(Okay...I'm biased cuz I like happy hardcore...)

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 20 06:11:18 1998
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I'm trying to gather some ideas and suggestions for positive change that will
eventually be incorporated into some sort of inspirational/informational
handout type deal.  If anyone has something to contribute please let me know.
To avoid a long thread you can simply reply privately to me.  

In general I'd like to know what people are looking for in a party...
  - what (specifically) constitutes a good party? 
  - do you have any ideas (large or small) to improve a party or the over all
scene?  
  - what changes would you like to see made in the future?
  - what do you hope to get out of a party? (i.e. why are you there?)

And what people DO NOT want to see at a party...
  - what are the biggest problems and how can they be eliminated/reduced?

I would also like lots of creative suggestions and/or nifty things that you
have seen at past parties... or whatever else you deem worthy enough
contribute.

Please try to add suggestions and ideas for change when replying about what
you DO NOT want to see at parties... because well... that's the whole point of
this :)

-Peggy
n.p.  tool - opiate

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i discovered tonite that i'm not happy....it all stemmed from a conversation i
had with my mom (darn parents)  she told me a story about how when i was in
third grade, i had to write about what made me happy and sad.  i wrote easily
about how war, and guns, and my grampa's death made me sad.  then i got to the
happy section and i was stuck.  i couldn't think of a thing to write.  i broke
down into tears because i couldn't think of anything that made me happy.  when
she told me that story, i started thinking about it.  i realized that i still
cannot think of something quickly.  it took me a long time to find things that
make me happy.  it makes me happy to make other people happy.  shell makes me
happy.  but nothing else really makes me happy...things might temporarily make
the bad stuff disappear, but they never really make me happy.  i have a
feeling that a lot of people are liek this but refuse to admit it.  the
question is, can we overcome it?  my dad is always telling me that it's okey
to be a raver on the weekends, but once i get back into the "real" world, i
have to be normal again.  that is the problem right there!!  normal is so
skewed at the present time that our lives are run by the societal machine
almost completely.  i have to wear a nice shirt and normal sized pants to work
every day because society says that people who dress like i normally do aren't
responsible enough to hold a job or serve the public.  nate (dj ishe) said we
judge by appearance because we need something to judge by and nothing else is
so easily noticable.  what we need to do is slow down enough that we can take
the time to judge people by something other than appearance.  we need to have
PLUR 24/7, but no one outside the raver community and even some kids within do
not know what PLUR stands for!!!  how can we carry on like this?  big
promoters have lost PLUR.  many newskool ravers were never introduced to PLUR.
the very thing that we are so proud of is losing out to greed and selfishness.
PLUR cannot be expressed only between ravers....everyone should experience it
in everyday life!  explain PLUR to the homeless guy on the street....tell your
boss about it, heck, get it in the employee newsletter!!  PLUR by nature is
not exclusive.....to truly have it, everyone must be treated with the same
state of mind...  when i am happy, it is because if what we call PLUR.  it can
be reeeeally hard to be universally respectful no matter how much we say we
accept diversity.  how do you love people that are bad?  can we unify
everyone?  how can raver kids bring peace to the world?  it has gotten to the
point where there are enough of us to make a difference.  people outside of
our community need to see exactly what we feel and experience.  so talk to
people..tell them what you believe!!!!  darnit...it'll at least make me happy
PLUR?
daveAmbient

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At 01:49 AM 5/20/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/19/98 11:10:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>theworm@evansville.net writes:
>
>> She was in the main room i'd say around 3:00-3:30 i think it was 3:30...she
>>  played the dopest set..highlight of my night..Ok I was told that God Of
The
>>  machine wasn't goin to play..So i was like ok I'll go to sleep in the
>>  car..I talked to my friends and they said i missed God Of The Machine..I
>>  was sooo pissed..ALl I got to say that the party basically sucked..except
>>  for some djs..I hope Wilhelm never throws another party again and moves
his
>>  fat ass to Cali..Anyway that's enough bitchin i'm just glad Step Into A
>>  Shithole is over with...Btw Adam if your goin to Spunday do you want to
>>  meet?? I always like meetin people from the list...
>
>talked to the guy who did the sound in the main room, raw, unit park, god of
>the machine, and heather heart did not play, his speakers, he would know who
>was using them...
>
>paul


That's kinda wack cause i saw heather heart with my own 2 eyes..and heard
everyone talkin about her..


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matter,
 
please email when you have the time.
 
mint

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hay there MPLS peeps check this;

GK-1 and Planet East 
present
FUTURE
an anti-clique, no frills, new york style afterhours
featuring
DJ E-Tones
Alexander East
Rez & Shifty
special performance by SOnic Boom of Love

starts at midnight; only $5
1317 tyler st. NE  MPLS
info-706.9662 or 522.8221

I'll be doing the smart bar w/ a friend so come say hi if you go.

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On Mon, 18 May 1998 19:29:18 EDT sho.nuff@juno.com (jawsh decker) writes:
>>more stuff
>>There is supposed to be some party called Sabotage this weekend in 
>>Minneapolis, right?    
>
>yup.
>i dont have the exact info with me,
>but its on my website at this url:
>
>http://members.tripod.com/~art_is_dead/sabotage.html
>
>so, uh, check it out.
>sposed to be 'small and underground' type of event.
>prolly just be small.  something to make some cash on.
>

also in MPLS on Sat is the one anniversery of Familywerks prod.  they are
bringing in mark grant, deeon, baby pop, justin long, and halo, all from
chi-town of course.  for the house inclined this looks to be a good
party.

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better? i'd give up finger or two to see Matrix. 


On Tue, 19 May 1998, Panked wrote:

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On Tue, 19 May 1998, (chris ege) wrote:

> 
> hey, so i heard a rumor that there's a party in chicago with optical and
> matrix on june 6th...  that's something i definitely wanna go see. anyone
> see the flyer yet?  wanna post the lineup?
> 
> chris
> 

i dont think anyone else posted this shit, so...

FAMILY

Matrix ( !!!!)
Fierce (!)
Adam x
Terry Mullen
Paulina Taylor
Dj Slant 
Delta 9
Dan Efex
Frankie Vega& Maddgroove(4 tables)
Jevon Jackson
Lady D
Kimberly Nyx
Phantom 45
R.P. Smack
JJ Jellybean (!!!)
DJ Ry-n 
Miss Bio-Booster...




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        I haven't heard the first one, but I have the second and it rules.  
     I espescially like track 7.  Have you heard Moonshine Mixed #2?  There 
     are some phat tracks on there, like the d'n'b remix by Cleveland 
     Lounge.  I haven't heard a Moonshine release yet that I didn't like.( 
     oh except for the Keoki shite).
     
     
     E


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How many of you have heard  Funky Desert Breaks by DJ John Kelley?
I just posted this cuz I am listening to it now and haven't heard it in a 
while
and forgot how KICK ASS it is.  Particularly track 4 which is entitled 
Everybody Thinks I'm High - the Remix '96 by DJ Voodoo and the Liquid 
Method.  Ahhhh,  there's the line I was waiting to hear.  Now drop that 
fuckin' bass!
     
Jus' babblin,
     
Flipper
     
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        What about the limited audio bandwidth associated with MD?  Granted 
     it's not a huge difference, but it is noticible.  I saw an article 
     about the limitations of MD versus regular CD, if I can find it, I'll 
     post the address.  I've done A/B comparisons between the two and I 
     would still prefer regular CD.  Granted this only applies to audio 
     data, not other forms of storage.
     
     
     E


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> Thanks, this program is so phat!  Maybe even a loser like me can mix
> something.  Also I think the Mpman is a great idea except for the little
> memory...  Come on 16 megs?!?!?!   And for $200 more you can have a whole 64 
> megs!!!
     
I still strongly believe that MD, at least for the forseeable 
future, is the way to go.  Multiple rumors have pegged a HD-MD (640 
MB compressed capacity) as the drive going in the PSX/64.  If so, 
Sony has even a stronger reason to make HD-MD a reality; not that MD 
isn't immensely popular in Asia already.
     
And when/if HD-MD makes it as a widely available format, all hell 
will break loose.
     
Wired ran a piece on MD a few months ago where they labled it as so 
much outdated hype; a recent blurb praises it.  Not that Wired is 
the bible of all things tech - far from it.  But if even this 
dufus-tekhipster rag can come around, there's hope for U.S. 
consumers.  ;)
     
     
     
- Craig
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his newest one is even better it even features a track he did himself. 
AC



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'ey all,

does anyone know of ANY parties happening in/around Chicago this Saturday
besides Planet Jungle??  i've some friends comin' in who can't really dig up
on an entire night of jungle and i'm in need of a good techno fix myself.  

merci beaucoup mes beaus...

cheers
Blue

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ok  i have the vtt, now all i need is a bunch of mp3s to play with it.
can anyone send me some zipped mp3s (preferrably hard techno or trance)
so i can try it out?  a few will do.  if you don't have them, can
someone tell me where i can get a few downloads?

peace
chris


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On Wed, 20 May 1998 Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:

>         What about the limited audio bandwidth associated with MD?  Granted 
>      it's not a huge difference, but it is noticible.  I saw an article 
>      about the limitations of MD versus regular CD, if I can find it, I'll 
>      post the address.  I've done A/B comparisons between the two and I 
>      would still prefer regular CD.  Granted this only applies to audio 
>      data, not other forms of storage.

I'd have to agree with this.  I played with a MD unit comparing it to the 
record I recorded it with and then a playback through the same sound 
system.  There was a noticeable difference in sound quality.  Since CD-R 
tech. is becoming cheaper I think burning your own CDs is the way to go, 
actually.  What I like about the MpMan is that you can take some music 
with you in a VERY small format.  No, you can't select from a package of 
20+ CDs or MDs but if you simply want some music or want a little music 
and want to dump some data files into the thing as well (which you can 
do) then it's quite cool.  My guess is that eventually the amount of RAM 
will increase and maybe even MPG3 recording as well.  But that last part 
if just a guess.



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for the record........my wonderful friend dave wrote this, not me.......
peace
jacke

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oh and my name is jackie.........give props to kidambient......

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hey kids,

my friend katie wrote this.  it is a reminder to us all that parties
should not be a routine, a habit, a ritual we walk through on sat night. 
we should remember our innocence, embrase it.  we cannot forget there is 
something to be learned in all we do.  most of all we can forget to 
love.

love,
 jay 
 & sara

...Guess who i met?
DJ MOTHER FUCKING TRAXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His name is Melvin, and he is the nicest, sweetest, kindest, coolest man 
on the planet. I am going to follow him around the whole U.S. or the 
worl for that matter. After his bomb set, which totally took me back to 
last summer and seeing  him, I stood around and touched his back, then 
he leaned over and I  introduced myself, then I said "do you remember 
last summer, at Don't Fuck With Detroit, when the cops shut you down, 
and you were speaking to us, telling us to keep the music alive, to keep 
it in our souls, to feel it through us, to keep it alive, well I 
remember that and I want you to know you have touched my life, and made 
me dance for the first time, and made me realize why I love the scene so 
much and why I love the music, and what it is all about." and you know 
what he did, he gave me a BIG PHATTTY HUG!!!!!!
We talked for a little while, then he talked to ben, and he wrote a 
little note to laurel, and now my life has been touched. He is such a 
genuine person. He made me want to make music, I am now trying to really 
get involved, I realized its one thing to be in the scene, and I want to 
help it, because it is such a special part of me, and it is such an 
intricate part of my life, and who I am, and I realized what an impact 
it can have, and what a special impact it does have. 

It was such a wonderful experience, I can say it is definantly one of 
the best prtys, if not the best, I came to a lot of realizations listing 
to the music that I feel in love with last summer, the music that 
finally broke into my soul, a lot of music hits my heart, but it was 
that vibe, that music, the love, the emotions, the wholeness I felt that 
made me realize, why I love what I do, why I am proud to say that I am a 
prtys kid, why I love the rave scene.

Dj huggie was spinning some trance, I met him too, it brought me back to 
the days when I would listen to techno and get that feeling, and I 
didn't know what it was, it brought me back to a part of myself that I 
haven't looked at in over a year, and you know what that was, it was the 
moments when the vibe hit me.That spititual feeling deep within me, at 
the time I had no idea what it was, I was new to the scene and didn't 
understand the whole encompassing pasion it has.

When I first herd him, the music touched my soul, from that moment on 
the vibe was instilled within me.Prtys throughout the year would give me 
a new glimps of the scene and the vibe, I felt it at Metamorphisis, Get 
Freaky 2, Tilt, Alantis, Overdrive, Revibe, Shake it, Rave the Planet, 
Teenage Wasteland, All Good, Blast Off, G-Spot, MidWest AllStars, all of 
them showed me something new, took me somewhere, brought me a new 
experience. Yet it was that moment this past weekend, when Traxx brought 
me back to where it all started, back to the family, back to all the 
love, god, all the love,,, I remembered the vibe, to that moment in my 
life I will never forget, when something other than reality, other than 
tangible facts, hit me, hit the inner most scared part of my body, my 
soul.Now I hear the music, it resonates deeper after I touched back with 
what I first caught a year ago. I hear it when I am sleeping, I hear it 
when I am walking, I hear it when I am working, at school, in my car, 
when I am alone, when I am just with myself.

Yes, it was a wonderful weekend, it brought back a flood of wonderful 
memories and emotions, and brought me back to the vibe, back to love, 
back to my kids, back to my inner workings.
I may seem crazy, but just the fact that I am crying, tears of joy as I 
write this, makes me realize, I am who I am, I am the girl who had the 
vibe replenished in her soul, I am happy.
I am whole I am happy and I feel complete.
I am a raver, I am in the scene, I have the vibe with me, engrained, and 
through out my soul.
And you know what?
There are so many lost souls out there, but mine has been found, and 
transformed by a muscic, by the emotions, by the love, by the unity, by 
the people, by the vibe, and I am happy.
I love you so much, I wish you could have shared this experience with 
me, but you know what, you did, you were there, you are part of the 
unity, you have touched upon the vibe in you soul too.
You were there with me, when I first walked in, to when I met traxx, all 
the family was there, you all brought me to the first moment, by being 
in my life, you were are there now. 
And always be.
I love you
I deeply and truely and wholy do.
:)kt:)


Kt I love you!!

sara


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is there a contest on MWRaves to see who can write the most posts in a day?


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At 11:15 AM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote:

>is there a contest on MWRaves to see who can write the most posts in a day?

>


were you wondering... or is that a proposal?


don't bother...i'd win.


Chad

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        I have been there so many times, it's the best feeling in the world.  It
made me sooo happy to read that you found that place inside where it all comes 
together.  You can definately tell at parties who has and who hasn't found that 
moment of clarity when everything makes sense.  


Dance on, 
E

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Subject: Finding Love 4 Music Again & Again
Author:  "sara osborn" <ratborn@hotmail.com> at Internet
Date:    5/20/98 9:15 AM


hey kids,
     
my friend katie wrote this.  it is a reminder to us all that parties 
should not be a routine, a habit, a ritual we walk through on sat night. 
we should remember our innocence, embrase it.  we cannot forget there is 
something to be learned in all we do.  most of all we can forget to 
love.
     
love,
 jay 
 & sara
     
...Guess who i met?
DJ MOTHER FUCKING TRAXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His name is Melvin, and he is the nicest, sweetest, kindest, coolest man 
on the planet. I am going to follow him around the whole U.S. or the 
worl for that matter. After his bomb set, which totally took me back to 
last summer and seeing  him, I stood around and touched his back, then 
he leaned over and I  introduced myself, then I said "do you remember 
last summer, at Don't Fuck With Detroit, when the cops shut you down, 
and you were speaking to us, telling us to keep the music alive, to keep 
it in our souls, to feel it through us, to keep it alive, well I 
remember that and I want you to know you have touched my life, and made 
me dance for the first time, and made me realize why I love the scene so 
much and why I love the music, and what it is all about." and you know 
what he did, he gave me a BIG PHATTTY HUG!!!!!!
We talked for a little while, then he talked to ben, and he wrote a 
little note to laurel, and now my life has been touched. He is such a 
genuine person. He made me want to make music, I am now trying to really 
get involved, I realized its one thing to be in the scene, and I want to 
help it, because it is such a special part of me, and it is such an 
intricate part of my life, and who I am, and I realized what an impact 
it can have, and what a special impact it does have. 
     
It was such a wonderful experience, I can say it is definantly one of 
the best prtys, if not the best, I came to a lot of realizations listing 
to the music that I feel in love with last summer, the music that 
finally broke into my soul, a lot of music hits my heart, but it was 
that vibe, that music, the love, the emotions, the wholeness I felt that 
made me realize, why I love what I do, why I am proud to say that I am a 
prtys kid, why I love the rave scene.
     
Dj huggie was spinning some trance, I met him too, it brought me back to 
the days when I would listen to techno and get that feeling, and I 
didn't know what it was, it brought me back to a part of myself that I 
haven't looked at in over a year, and you know what that was, it was the 
moments when the vibe hit me.That spititual feeling deep within me, at 
the time I had no idea what it was, I was new to the scene and didn't 
understand the whole encompassing pasion it has.
     
When I first herd him, the music touched my soul, from that moment on 
the vibe was instilled within me.Prtys throughout the year would give me 
a new glimps of the scene and the vibe, I felt it at Metamorphisis, Get 
Freaky 2, Tilt, Alantis, Overdrive, Revibe, Shake it, Rave the Planet, 
Teenage Wasteland, All Good, Blast Off, G-Spot, MidWest AllStars, all of 
them showed me something new, took me somewhere, brought me a new 
experience. Yet it was that moment this past weekend, when Traxx brought 
me back to where it all started, back to the family, back to all the 
love, god, all the love,,, I remembered the vibe, to that moment in my 
life I will never forget, when something other than reality, other than 
tangible facts, hit me, hit the inner most scared part of my body, my 
soul.Now I hear the music, it resonates deeper after I touched back with 
what I first caught a year ago. I hear it when I am sleeping, I hear it 
when I am walking, I hear it when I am working, at school, in my car, 
when I am alone, when I am just with myself.
     
Yes, it was a wonderful weekend, it brought back a flood of wonderful 
memories and emotions, and brought me back to the vibe, back to love, 
back to my kids, back to my inner workings.
I may seem crazy, but just the fact that I am crying, tears of joy as I 
write this, makes me realize, I am who I am, I am the girl who had the 
vibe replenished in her soul, I am happy.
I am whole I am happy and I feel complete.
I am a raver, I am in the scene, I have the vibe with me, engrained, and 
through out my soul.
And you know what?
There are so many lost souls out there, but mine has been found, and 
transformed by a muscic, by the emotions, by the love, by the unity, by 
the people, by the vibe, and I am happy.
I love you so much, I wish you could have shared this experience with 
me, but you know what, you did, you were there, you are part of the 
unity, you have touched upon the vibe in you soul too.
You were there with me, when I first walked in, to when I met traxx, all 
the family was there, you all brought me to the first moment, by being 
in my life, you were are there now. 
And always be.
I love you
I deeply and truely and wholy do.
:)kt:)
     
     
Kt I love you!!
     
sara
     
     
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*laffs*
i thought the header stands for midwest rave-related.
maybe we should use rr header instead of nrr :>
now back to your lovey-dovey hippie stuff, kiddies.

john.dove
ps- just got postcards from mute today for plastikman's consumed.
    any reviews? :> save $3 off when you buy it from cdnow, btw.
    dunno if thats really a saving or not, though.
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On Wed, 20 May 1998 02:10:16 EDT Deadphishn <Deadphishn@aol.com> writes:

>I'm trying to gather some ideas and suggestions for positive change...

>...And what people DO NOT want to see at a party...
>  - what are the biggest problems and how can they be
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Problem = tweekers,  Solution = bullets.

hehe, just kidding...sort of... ;)

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> ----------
> From: 	sho.nuff@juno.com[SMTP:sho.nuff@juno.com]
> Sent: 	 May 19, 1998 5:21PM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	Re: Desert breaks
> 
>  i prefer volume2 of the funkydesertbreaks over volume1, but both are
> awite.
> 
There is another one out called HardDesertTrance.  I can't remember who the
dj is (Jeff someone...I think), but he has some great mixing, and an
incredible track selection.  The best track (IMHO) is LSG's Netherworld
...wow, now there's a song that gets your heart & soul a-flowing!

Your friendly neighborhood trance-head...
hugs & love vibes,
angel O:)

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   'sup, everyone? 

  Here's the skippy - I want to come down and check out a partie in Ohio 
this summer, and "what's the lineup?" is a necessary but NOT sufficient 
part of a much bigger equation - PLUR, ya' know? Could some peeps 
suggest which producers in Ohio put on plurry parties?
And in which cities have you had the best time in Ohio? Cleveland?
Cincinnati?

  BTW, Let's keep this one positive - I don't really need to hear about 
who sucks - I've got plenty of my own horror stories about Detroit area 
producers. You can email me direct w/ the bad comments if you really 
feel ya gotta let me know.

   Thanx in advance!

   - Shane


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well a nifty party i heard about coming up in cleveland (which i intend on
traveling 7 hours to get to) happnes the weekend after july 4......  the
lineup has

Adam Beyer, Cari Leikebusch, Joel Mull, Derrick May, 1.8.7 live and much
much more...stay tuned to mw-raves for more info....    

i dont havbe an info line or anything else convinient so bear with me.
-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
217.353.5111


On Wed, 20 May 1998, Detroit Junglist wrote:

>    'sup, everyone? 
> 
>   Here's the skippy - I want to come down and check out a partie in Ohio 
> this summer, and "what's the lineup?" is a necessary but NOT sufficient 
> part of a much bigger equation - PLUR, ya' know? Could some peeps 
> suggest which producers in Ohio put on plurry parties?
> And in which cities have you had the best time in Ohio? Cleveland?
> Cincinnati?
> 
>   BTW, Let's keep this one positive - I don't really need to hear about 
> who sucks - I've got plenty of my own horror stories about Detroit area 
> producers. You can email me direct w/ the bad comments if you really 
> feel ya gotta let me know.
> 
>    Thanx in advance!
> 
>    - Shane
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On Wed, 20 May 1998 Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:

>         What about the limited audio bandwidth associated with MD?  Granted 
>      it's not a huge difference, but it is noticible.  I saw an article 
>      about the limitations of MD versus regular CD, if I can find it, I'll 
>      post the address.  I've done A/B comparisons between the two and I 
>      would still prefer regular CD.  Granted this only applies to audio 
>      data, not other forms of storage.

>From what I've heard MD uses a compression algo that removes "the part of
the sound that you don't hear" (?!) The only time I've enountered one, we
used it to record a speech. Sounded excellent. But speech isn't music.
MD sounds fine for consumertronics, but I don't think I'd buy one of those
MD 4-trackers...

Besides, even if they're kinda large, the 5.25" (or whatever) CD standard
for physical media is... a standard. DVD-RWs will be along soon enough...
I like the idea of one drive that will read/write the 37 or so different
formats that use the CD media (CD-A, CD-V, CDi, CD+G, DVD, PhotoCD...)
true a lot of these formats are outdated, but I'd like to have backward
compatible reading...

Wait, I just realized this somehow became totally NRR. Sorry.

jeff


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For those of you that are interested, there is a session with DRC (SF)
and Mark Farina (SF?).  I know how well she went over just recently
in the midwest.  Check it out!

Flipper

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Oops! I forgot the URL.  It is http://www.betalounge.com/
Sorry!

Flipper

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there of necessity will be much arguing,
much writing, many opinions; for opinion
in good men is but knowledge in the making.
         
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Yeah there isn't much happy hardcore, and there is even less trance.  I'd love
to see some trance DJs from Europe come in to a party, it would be a rare
treat for me.

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I'm sending this to the list because maybe other people would be interested.
A good place to start is http://bcwp.com/topmp3/topsites.html.  It's just a
list of mp3 sites.  Some are techno/dance based, try those.  Also try using a
search engine from one of the sites.  Hope that helps.

B

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Here Here!

eric spex!

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In a message dated 98-05-20 14:01:16 EDT, OberleMK@Maritz.com writes:

DJ Brian mixed this CD~

Peace`
Darian

<< > 
 >  i prefer volume2 of the funkydesertbreaks over volume1, but both are
 > awite.
 > 
 There is another one out called HardDesertTrance.  I can't remember who the
 dj is (Jeff someone...I think), but he has some great mixing, and an
 incredible track selection.  The best track (IMHO) is LSG's Netherworld
 ...wow, now there's a song that gets your heart & soul a-flowing >>

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>also, i'd never heard the term "kind" 'til i moved to Chi.  "ya just 
>wanna go
>to my place and chill out w/ some kind buds."

about nugs?
thats universal, aint it?
*shrug*

jawsh!

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disclaimer: just got done with finals...kinda bored. pointless post
ahead containing thoughts, reviews, etc. ahead. watch out.

if you (whoever it was) are still confused about proceed..
here's what the flyer said:

dj hurricane (doing a jungle and hip hop set)
dj zinc and mc rage
mixmaster mike (yeah!)
danny the wildchild
drew sutherland
corey love
delinquent 
why b and selt one

it will at the mecca in milwaukee (boy, i miss brett favre's steakhouse)
i wont post the whole flyer here, but look for it..green over silver.
anyway...went down to let it be today and found some pple looking for
speed garage. i guess it is spreading. too bad i bought everything :P
among the purchases today:
- the black and white brothers' put your hands up on catch22.
finally got something on this label...heard things about it, but
havent heard fist hand until today. on the house tip with big bassline.
kinda boring now that i am listening to it at home :P
- andy and the lamboy's the inside on cleveland city
yeah! heard good thing about this song and it delivers. sol brothers
definitely know what the crowd wants when it come to speed garage mix.
ruff bassline and bad bwoy samples as expected throughout. kicks ass!
watch out for it at furthur!
- a vs b's ripped in 2 minutes on positiva
the remix plus original of the somewhat anthemic song 'it takes 2 minutes'
head straight for the original. kinda dark roller with some synth line 
that reminds me of 94 (cheese) trance.
- funkasize's to the funky on undiscovered
havent heard of these guys or the label before but the sound is definitely
all that and a bag of chip. flip to the b-side for nice ruff bassline.
- mj cole's sincere on am:pm 
black science on the garage tip! nice smooth bassline with the vocal you
can trust. the bassline does get a bit repetitive now that i have listened
to it more than 2 minutes :P
on the non-garage side:
- dj funk's funkasm on ihr
hehe. if you are going to buy one funk record, buy this one. classics like
let me see ya dick work and shake it pump it and booty booty booty with
the minimal 303 works on funkasm.
- old school breakz on kickin
3 lp compilation featuring, yes, old school breakbeats. i want to collect
these stuff and this is a good place to start. tracks that you used to
love by pple like messiah, zero zero, the scientist and wishdokta. more
on the techno tip, though...i want old school hardcore!

i better go...dont want to tie up the phone line for too long :>

john.dove
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hey yaz, i'm kikkin it up to chicago this weekend, getting all hyped for
brockout! 101 (awes yeah) and remember the magic. not to mention i'm
getting more cinnamon (can't get good cinnamon in bulk in champaign) the
clutch ingredient in chai i'm setting to brew in mad amounts to hand out
at furthur.....

so what i wanna know....

net meet anyone, for remember...?

matt, hook it up with a suggestion for time and space. i'm massifly
looking forward to this one, old.skool vybe, and healthy dose of
positivity :)

yay!

=jes



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In a message dated 98-05-20 18:18:33 EDT, jk-davis@students.uiuc.edu writes:

<< brockout! 101  >>

Can anyone fill me in on this party?

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>I still strongly believe that MD, at least for the forseeable
>future, is the way to go.  Multiple rumors have pegged a HD-MD (640
>MB compressed capacity) as the drive going in the PSX/64.  If so,
>Sony has even a stronger reason to make HD-MD a reality; not that MD
>isn't immensely popular in Asia already.

MiniDisk is a piece of doo-doo owned by Sony.  It is a standard that will
rot in hell by the year 2000.  DVD is the way to go for the forseeable
future.  18 Gigs on one disk?  Much better bandwidth also than cd or
minidisk???  How can anything else possibly be the wave of the future at
this point.  The only other invention that could keep DVD from gaining huge
commercial success is the DiVX.  If you haven't heard about it yet, look up
some info on it...It's satans invention.  grrr.  DiVX is extra shitty.
Almost as bad as minidisk.

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fyi,
picked up the most recent issue of mixmagUS (not the uk version, theres a
difference) and it had a big ass picture of richie on the cover with the
heading "plastikman.  its not just a logo", or something very similar to
that.  anyhow, mixed in with a bunch of complete and total bullshit is a
semi-decent article/interview on/with richie hawtin.  they talk about
touring, record labels, the new album, and richie gets off on the
midwest.  :)  he relays a short bit about 'kiss.the.sky' in there even.

3 bucks, go pick it up.

jawsh!

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us are tiny matters compared to what lies
within us"
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Bro Keeps wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-05-20 18:18:33 EDT, jk-davis@students.uiuc.edu writes:
> 
> << brockout! 101  >>
> 
> Can anyone fill me in on this party?


Aw yeah....

Brockout! 101
The History of Jungle/Drum & Bass
1993(Hardcore): DJ Snuggles 12:30am-? 
1994(Ragga): JJ Jellybean 11:30-12:30
1995(Jump Up): Phantom 45 10:30-11:30
1996(Rinsin'): DJ3D 9:30-10:30
1997(All the new shit): DJ Chamberweed 8:30-9:30

MCs Blackeye & Kid Entropy

All at Liar's CLub
1665 West Fullerton in Chicago
$5.00 w/ID
Ring Dubshack: (847)604-1983


-bEANS

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On Wed, 20 May 1998, martin manry wrote:

> 1996(Rinsin'): DJ3D 9:30-10:30

weird.. maybe I'm st00pid, but I always thought 'rinsin' was a more
general term, somewhere along the lines of 'wikked'.  

peas
-pete [ <--- going to see doc scott, dj lee, & mc justyc tonight ]
      [      but wikked pissed I'm gonna miss brockout! 101..... ]



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>if you (whoever it was) are still confused about proceed..
>here's what the flyer said:
>
>dj hurricane (doing a jungle and hip hop set)
>dj zinc and mc rage
>mixmaster mike (yeah!)
>danny the wildchild
>drew sutherland
>corey love
>delinquent 
>why b and selt one

let us not forget about derrick may?

Chad

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Who here was at BROCKOUT 95??
Chicago Winter 95.
Coldest night of the year, but the hotest spot in town.
Hell yeah that party was the BOMB!
Kings of the Jungle from the uk!
Roughneck from toronto
Snuggles
JJ Jellybean
Hyperactive
Phil Free Art
Mellow Man and more...
I still listen to the tapes I have from that night a lot.
awe yeah!
-Matt Druid
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the question that i had about proceed was about the supposed "special 
guests" with dj hurricane...at least, that is what i saw on the 
pre-flyer...that is what i was wondering about, so...if anyone can help 
me out, that would be great...thanx

peace
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Hi kids, 
could anyone tell me whats happening in Minneapolis in the next month or
whatever.  Spanks a million
-J

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jawsh decker wrote:
> 
> fyi,
> picked up the most recent issue of mixmagUS (not the uk version, theres a
> difference) and it had a big ass picture of richie on the cover with the
> heading "plastikman.  its not just a logo", or something very similar to
> that.  anyhow, mixed in with a bunch of complete and total bullshit is a
> semi-decent article/interview on/with richie hawtin.  they talk about
> touring, record labels, the new album, and richie gets off on the
> midwest.  :)  he relays a short bit about 'kiss.the.sky' in there even.

jawsh,

just wanted to get some examples of the "complete and total bullshit"
that you saw in Mixmag. Granted the US version isn't as good as the UK's
but that's a pretty harsh slam to the magazine as a whole. Besides
richie, is there anything else in mixmagUS that was informative? Just
thought your comment was harsh for a mag that's pretty o.k.

Best Regards,
Chad

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> Yeah there isn't much happy hardcore, and there is even less trance.  I'd 
> love
>  to see some trance DJs from Europe come in to a party, it would be a rare
>  treat for me.
>  
Talk to Mk9@evansville.edu  He is from Russia.  He has been in the states like
2 years, he is also on the list, and spins Hard Trance, and is very talented.
I also have a friend from Lexington, DJ Temujin that spins Hard Trance from
Overseas.  They both kick ass!!!

As for happy hardcore, you have to go to Texas, the West Coast, Denver, and
even more so to London, and Holland for some good Happy and normal Hardcore.

Peace
Jared

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>As for happy hardcore, you have to go to Texas, the West Coast, Denver, 
and
>even more so to London, and Holland for some good Happy and normal 
Hardcore.

Hey, you could also come to Musique DuJour @ Bon Appetit in Minneapolis 
every other sunday, to see a happy hardcore set, or next thursday, the 
28th, I'll be at Positive Thursday in Chicago, spinning the latest happy 
hardcore tracks :) Also, look for Phill Free Art and Matt + out of 
chicago spinning kick ass happy hardcore sets at various places in the 
midwest (both are WICKED dj's :)). As for me, I'm DJ Spree :)

-craig/xotis/spree-


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>Hi kids, 
>could anyone tell me whats happening in Minneapolis in the next month 
>or
>whatever.  Spanks a million

no this is not a plug fer my website (really!!), as im not selling
anything on it or such shit.  but i just dont have the info fer the
upcoming while with me, so...  go here:

http://members.tripod.com/~art_is_dead/events.html

theres some other stuff, too.
but its a pretty good listing.

hope it helps.

jawsh!

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>just wanted to get some examples of the "complete and total bullshit"
>that you saw in Mixmag.

well, id like to start off with the horrible ppl who are proofreading
that thing.  cuz the typos and repeated and or missing words were in
serious abundance.

i thought the coverage was a pretty minimal cross section of whats really
going on around the united states.

and, i know its primarily a club rag, but there wasnt even really that
much valuble info about clubs, let alone raves.

first time i read the us version, and it sucks compared to the uk
version, imho.  *shrug*  nothing but a big ad fest.  not so unlike the uk
version, but least the uk has shit to advertise other than puff daddy.

>Granted the US version isn't as good as the 
>UK's

understatement.

>but that's a pretty harsh slam to the magazine as a whole.

well, i will say that this is the first time ive ever picked up a copy. 
as theres been nothing that looked like it was worth my three bones til
now.

>Besides
>richie, is there anything else in mixmagUS that was informative?

informative?  thats relative, really.
depends on where youre coming from and what youre into really.  i
personally tried to look at it with open eyes, as its new and such.  on
the whole, i think its prolly an alright rag, but pretty slim on serious
stuff going on.

>Just
>thought your comment was harsh for a mag that's pretty o.k.

mebbe harsh, yeah.
but not unjustified.
i dunno.  if the rag was free, id be going easier.
but when ya gotta fork out cash, it should be readable.
thats really my biggest complaint, the non.proofing.

*shrug*

but, uh, dont really like the other stuff they covered.
course, i am a rather tuff customer.  but...  :)

just my opinions tho...

jawsh!

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On Wed, 20 May 1998, Ben Page wrote:

> MiniDisk is a piece of doo-doo owned by Sony.  It is a standard that will
> rot in hell by the year 2000.  DVD is the way to go for the forseeable
> future.  18 Gigs on one disk?  Much better bandwidth also than cd or
> minidisk???  How can anything else possibly be the wave of the future at
> this point.  The only other invention that could keep DVD from gaining huge
> commercial success is the DiVX.  If you haven't heard about it yet, look up
> some info on it...It's satans invention.  grrr.  DiVX is extra shitty.
> Almost as bad as minidisk.

</tirade

Dear random netizen, please get a clue.  There will always be a need for a
low-budget rewritable sound reproduction medium.  In this sense, the MD is
replacing (hopefully and gradually) the audio cassette.

DVD is as useless as tits on a wart hog for anything but playback at this
point.  Consumer level DVD-R's are NOT available at this point.  When they
DO hit the market two+ years from now, they will make the cost of a new
car seem like chump change.

The year 2000 is the one after this, do the math.  Which will be, hell IS
more useful right now? MD.  DVD doesn't even posses a standard audio
format yet, much less any chance for writeable or RE-writeable DVD drives
in the next 2 years, probably 4.  And for a DVD-R or RW to get into most
homes in America will take at least another 5 years on that, putting you
at close to a decade for it to be truely mainstream enough to replace the
regular CDR we use now.

For playback, YES, it kicks all holy ass over the MD, sorta.  YOU cannot
build your own DVD's now (in a generalized sense), but you CAN get 8-track
MDR's with compression algorhythms BETTER than standard audio CDs.  Yes
the data is crunched, and no it isn't perfect as far as quality is
concerned, but god-damn it they sound NICE, and from someone that has
heard DVD and MD, there ain't all that much difference.

As far as size is concerned, DUH! Of course DVD is 'better' in that it CAN
hold up to 18g (if anyone ever bothers), but the MD can hold 74 minutes of
stereo sound, cost is dirt-cheap, and you can get a portable
player/recorder and MD players for your car.....

They aren't the same thing at ALL.  It's like comparing a dead rhinocerous
carcass to Robin Leech's hair, they are both related, but they have
totally different purposes and were created with totally different
intents.  DVD's are for movies and large-file storage.  MD's are for
regular people like us that want something better than cassette, without
the hassel of CD's, to put music on.

/tirade>

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 21 01:40:37 1998
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Hey..
Open 
radiodistortion.com in your real player to catch some live antics
till 10pm CST

(hugs)
Elaine

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Okay, I feel compelled to say something. 

I'll keep it short though. I _do_ think that minidiscs are a good
invention, for recording your own stuff, but as far as buying music on
minidisc, opportunities are very limited. As far as I know, Sony is the
only label that can put stuff out on minidisc, since they invented it of
course, and no other label can produce them. It seems like these will
fade out like beta tapes.

Sure, beta was better quality, but not everyone could put movies out on
it, so it went away. If Sony doesn't let other companies put out music
on minidisc, people can't buy as many of them. For recording in studios
or at home or whatever, they seem fine, but as far as a consumer market
goes, I think their fate is still questionable.

Just my $.02.

-Ben / Elroy

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 21 01:59:56 1998
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>Will definately try to catch it, I love to here other radio DJs!
>So what by various styles do you mean, any perfered style over the >others?

>Just nosey I am a Radio DJ, and do some house parties rarely, mostly a
>promoter, producer, and engineer!  I am into darkside, hardstep, jump >up, and
>old style Jungle, Acid, Freestyle, and hard Breaks, as well as many >other
>forms.


>Jared


I am one of those types of people who will listen to just about
anything, but usually it has to make me feel something.  On my show I
play anything from Crystal Method to Tori Amos to Sarah McLachlan to
Janet Jackson to well...anything.  For instance, last week I was in a
bad mood and the show was along the lines of what was bothering me that
day (relationships, etc.).  

I play fairly mainstream stuff, but it's not so mainstream you'd hear
all the songs on the radio (at least not here in ultra-conservative
Cincinnati).

*Kaci / Skye*

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minidisc's suck ass compared to beta tapes, beta tapes hold more
sound, and you get those cool little popping soudns every so often
that just cant be duplicated on a dumb mini-disc....

on the other hand, for example, lets just say
you record a bunch of music ( like 8 hours worth )
off the radio, and want to be able to track through it
to your favorite parts whenever you want, well you
can record the video to the the minidisc and place either
track marks where they really are (if you have patience)
or every __ minutes to track through it quicker when you 
listen, which is pretty cool I think, what else could you do 
that with that is readily available to the regualar consumer?

=)

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There was a cool piece on Chicago jungle a couple months ago in Mixmag?
Anyone catch that?

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 21 03:25:30 1998
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FYI..
the flyer has  lists 4 non-jungle (house) dj's  

xoxo
animal----------
> From: Blueslim9 <Blueslim9@aol.com>
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: saturday chi-town for the non-jungle??
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 8:03 AM
> 
> 'ey all,
> 
> does anyone know of ANY parties happening in/around Chicago this Saturday
> besides Planet Jungle??  i've some friends comin' in who can't really dig
up
> on an entire night of jungle and i'm in need of a good techno fix myself.
 
> 
> merci beaucoup mes beaus...
> 
> cheers
> Blue

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has anyone seen the page under geocities 4 rave listingz in chicago..
itz actually a pretty phat site.. itz neat and really up to date.  
if u need to address.. write me back er sumthin.  later...

*muua*
rach

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vibeonauts shorted a bunch of dj's this past weekend ( at least 6 including
myself that i know of for sure ) 50 dollars from the price they had originally
agreed upon. 

they say he had 2000-2500 people at the event.

that equals about 30,000 dollars to play with after the space took it's cut. 

disrespectfull or what?

3d






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At 17:18 5/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>net meet anyone, for remember...?
>
>matt, hook it up with a suggestion for time and space. i'm massifly
>looking forward to this one, old.skool vybe, and healthy dose of
>positivity :)
>
>yay!
>
>=jes
>

i'm up for a net meet and gettin' pysched for friday.... woohoo! =)

.tj.triggerhippie


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i noticed that right away.....They had all thier freinds spin probably so they
didnt have to pay them as much.......Go figure.........One of my freinds didnt
get to spin i kno...among others....
DID u sign contracts??

<<<<vibeonauts shorted a bunch of dj's this past weekend ( at least 6
including
myself that i know of for sure ) 50 dollars from the price they had originally
agreed upon. 

they say he had 2000-2500 people at the event.

that equals about 30,000 dollars to play with after the space took it's cut. 

disrespectfull or what?

3d>>>>

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Subject: *HaPpiNeSs*    (do NOT eRasE)
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*PLEASE READ THIS*

 I apreciate anyone taking the time out to read this, and i hope you all take
time to think about what i have to say and please respond. What this letter
has to do with is "Happiness"  Are you Happy?
 Now right now you're thinking, yea im feeling pretty happy, but please think
again. Are you honestly, truly happy down deep inside??
 And to raise another question....what makes you happy??
 Now im not talking about that "temporary happiness"   Take for instance, for
some people they may say that Candy makes them happy right?? Well you can only
eat so much candy untill you get sick, and then your not happy again. Its a
temporary happiness to make everything else fade away for awhile. iT makes
problems and worries all hide for some time beeing. BUT what truly makes you
happy?? I do NOT expect you to answer this question right away, actuatly i do
NOT expect you to answer it all. Maybe its just one of those rhetorical
questions that noone will ever answer, who knows??
 "all good things come to an end"     so does this mean that noone could be
happy forever??  If all things come to an end, then what possiblity is there
that one can be happy their whole life. Even IF they find that one miracle
thing that touches their soul and makes it smile, when and if it comes to an
end, what happens then??
  Maybe im just lost in the whole illusion of "Happiness" But i'd like to know
what YOU think....and IF you can answer the questions iVe asked then please
let me know what makes you Happy, and is there possibility of one being happy
forever?? What makes up happiness and how can one achieve it??       *PLease
write me back* 

   Thank you for listening and i hope to hear from you soon.

                       Claudia    (( aka....PipSQueK)))


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no it is not FDB2 it is a new one no longer FDB seris. his track on the
mix is called Blines i think i can't remember im at work i will email the
details and stuff when i get home. 

AC




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In a message dated 5/20/1998 11:42:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
DEEJAY3D@aol.com writes:

> vibeonauts shorted a bunch of dj's this past weekend ( at least 6 including
>  myself that i know of for sure ) 50 dollars from the price they had 
> originally
>  agreed upon. 
>  
>  they say he had 2000-2500 people at the event.
>  
>  that equals about 30,000 dollars to play with after the space took it's
cut. 
> 
>  
>  disrespectfull or what?
>  
>  3d
Damn straight, seems like the vibenauts strike again.  They are getting a
worse wrap then Local 13 from Philly.  If they don't watch it someone might
actually take them to court <hint hint>!

Why don't you all document everything, and fry the dumb money grubbing
assholes!

Just a thought!
Jared

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Does anybody know wut day the Richie Hawtin Experince is playin?


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From: JL SONIC <JLSONIC@aol.com>
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I'm trying to gather some ideas and suggestions for positive change that will
eventually be incorporated into some sort of inspirational/informational
handout type deal.  If anyone has something to contribute please let me know.
To avoid a long thread you can simply reply privately to me.  

In general I'd like to know what people are looking for in a party...
  - what (specifically) constitutes a good party? if all the dj's show and it
dosent get busted 
  - do you have any ideas (large or small) to improve a party or the over all
scene?  every one needs to stop complaining and smile . 
  - what changes would you like to see made in the future?
  - what do you hope to get out of a party? (i.e. why are you there?)i go to
parties to dance and to have a good time .. but the thing that i love the most
is that i am around people that love music and danceing like i do . i cant jus
goany wear and get that feeling !

And what people DO NOT want to see at a party...
  - what are the biggest problems and how can they be eliminated/reduced?i
have no comment on this .. im happy

I would also like lots of creative suggestions and/or nifty things that you
have seen at past parties... or whatever else you deem worthy enough
contribute.    i will never forget all the peeps that have busted there azz in
front of walls of speakers with me for hours on end ...  it's what keeps me
goin .. 

Please try to add suggestions and ideas for change when replying about what
you DO NOT want to see at parties... because well... that's the whole point of
this :)

-Peggy
n.p.  tool - opiate

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sure... I say we ALL meet up...

... however there will be NO matt neg... i mean positive fan club meeting...

I apologize to all of those looking foreward to it... but I am a very busy man
(hahahaha)... :-)

d.j. eric spex
happytothecore

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In a message dated 98-05-21 00:47:40 EDT, Panked@aol.com writes:

<< Take for instance, for
 some people they may say that Candy makes them happy right?? Well you can
only
 eat so much candy untill you get sick, and then your not happy again. >>

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with this one.  Suppose eating
candy makes someone happy.  If that person eats a reasonable amount of candy
to be happy, waits until they need to be a little happier, eats another piece,
the person can be happy indefinitely.  Eating candy is not likely to bring
about sickness, unless you eat something like 50 Charleston Chews in a fuckin'
day.

Pooh-pooh


Brett



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>Damn straight, the DVD is a great concept, but the players still are not up
to
>spead, and must come down in price to be competitive, which they will cause
>they must.  But overall I do agree the DVD is a hell of a piece of
equipment,
>but I like DATs also.


When I read all the praise that people were giving minidisk, I almost
dirtied myself.  The only good thing about it is that it's smaller than cd.
But that doesn't do any good, because you can't take it over to your
friend's house, because your friend doesn't own a minidisk player...

The last time I checked, the current DVD recorders were only able to write
one layer per side of the disk.  DVDs are capable of holding 2 layers per
side (total of 4 layers) each having approx 4.5 gigs...So for consumer use,
you'd only be able to write about 9 gigs on a disk.  But all that should be
fixed very soon, if not already.

As for dats...I guess it all depends on the deck you use to record.  Dats
are going to be outdated in a couple years as well.  Everyone seems to want
96khz with 32 or 64 bit, and dats can't do that, not yet at least.  I think
the only thing capable of that kind of speed & resolution is digital hard
disk with a damn fine audio card to process the data.

As for any kind of digital recording, no matter what medium you use
(minidisk, dat, cd, hard-disk), you will never have good sound without good
Analog to Digital converters.  Most dats skimp on the a/d conversion.  I
don't even want to think about the converters they are putting into minidisk
machines.  I doubt minidisks even allow for digital inputs since they don't
want people pirating, and with having only analog inputs they will at least
ensure that people have to lose a generation if copies are made...

The best way to go is to listen to several different rack mount A/D
converters and pick one that sounds best to you.  That will affect the sound
more than the format.

---Cylert


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yuh.. looks like I'll be up in Cinti this summer, and I'd like the low-down
on parties there too.


Detroit Junglist wrote:

> Could some peeps
> suggest which producers in Ohio put on plurry parties?
> And in which cities have you had the best time in Ohio? Cleveland?
> Cincinnati?




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In a message dated 5/21/98 3:37:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gt9807b@prism.gatech.edu writes:

> yuh.. looks like I'll be up in Cinti this summer, and I'd like the low-down
>  on parties there too.

i think you are missing a good city here, Columbus... Dayton has nice ones as
well... dunno about cleveland, and in my honest opinion, best Cinci parties
are thrown by people in columbs and dayton

paul

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i don't like to promote our ideals in this way, but i do spend a good deal
of time updating the table of ele_ments infoline, focused on columbus and
nearby-area events. 

and it's more music-oriented.  you press 1 to hear event info, 2 to hear
music from our 21/22 corporation, and 3 to hear music from the ele_mental
archive.  it's supposed to be like a mini audio webpage.

the number's 614 470 0929, and it will be updated until about july 4, when
i'll be leaving (for a short escape).

++
e d


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>In a message dated 5/21/98 3:37:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>gt9807b@prism.gatech.edu writes:
>
>> yuh.. looks like I'll be up in Cinti this summer, and I'd like the low-down
>>  on parties there too.
>
>i think you are missing a good city here, Columbus... Dayton has nice ones as
>well... dunno about cleveland, and in my honest opinion, best Cinci parties
>are thrown by people in columbs and dayton
>
>paul

I agree with Paul.  I have played all over Ohio and have enjoyed it, but if
I had to list my 5 favorite parties in Ohio that I have played thay would
all be in Columbus.


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        I agree completely.  Why would someone want to trade in their CD 
     players for MD?  Sure you can record, but the selection is crap.  Do 
     people really want another disc media that sounds worse than the CD's 
     they already own? ( granted it's not that much worse)  I think that 
     with the prices falling on CD burners, we'll see CD's around for 
     awhile still.  I think one reason that the transition from analog tape 
     to CD went so smoothly and easily (more or less) was that even 
     nonmusicians could hear the difference between the two.  Plus Discs 
     seem to last much better than tapes.  I think it will take a new form 
     of media to convince people drop their CD's and switch.  Perhaps even 
     some sort of HD device similiar to MP3 players?
     
     
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Okay, I feel compelled to say something. 
     
I'll keep it short though. I _do_ think that minidiscs are a good 
invention, for recording your own stuff, but as far as buying music on 
minidisc, opportunities are very limited. As far as I know, Sony is the 
only label that can put stuff out on minidisc, since they invented it of 
course, and no other label can produce them. It seems like these will 
fade out like beta tapes.
     
Sure, beta was better quality, but not everyone could put movies out on 
it, so it went away. If Sony doesn't let other companies put out music 
on minidisc, people can't buy as many of them. For recording in studios 
or at home or whatever, they seem fine, but as far as a consumer market 
goes, I think their fate is still questionable.
     
Just my $.02.
     
-Ben / Elroy
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i have 2 questions for furthur

1)will there be a mw-raves camp
2)will there be showers around the clean bathrooms

Jesse

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On Wed, 20 May 1998, Druid303 wrote:

> Who here was at BROCKOUT 95??
> Chicago Winter 95.
> Coldest night of the year, but the hotest spot in town.

Spoken by the not so famous MC Gene. hehehe. I also still listen to those
tapes, though I wasnt there. Phil's tape is still my all time fave from
that night...Bjork on 45 and Hardcore Heaven on 45. What a RINSIN set!


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> I apreciate anyone taking the time out to read this, and i hope you all take

>time to think about what i have to say and please respond. What this letter

>has to do with is "Happiness"  Are you Happy?

> Now right now you're thinking, yea im feeling pretty happy, but please think

>again. Are you honestly, truly happy down deep inside??


deep down inside, yes i am happy on the surface, however, i am tired (just got off work).  yes, i am happy.



> And to raise another question....what makes you happy??


i make myself happy (if i don't do it, who will?)


> Now im not talking about that "temporary happiness"   Take for instance, for

>some people they may say that Candy makes them happy right?? Well you can only

>eat so much candy untill you get sick, and then your not happy again. Its a

>temporary happiness to make everything else fade away for awhile. iT makes

>problems and worries all hide for some time beeing. BUT what truly makes you

>happy?? I do NOT expect you to answer this question right away, actuatly i do

>NOT expect you to answer it all. Maybe its just one of those rhetorical

>questions that noone will ever answer, who knows??


like i said, i make myself happy, in otherwords i make my soul happy.   i don't believe that there's any material thing on this earth that can give someone true happiness...like you said, what if they lose it?  i think simply being my highest self, and experiencing myself as who and what i want to be as often as i can brings me hapiness that's unimaginable by many.

after all, it's pretty difficult to lose yourself.  


but i think there are some things that make me happy besides myself, but i think those are things that sort of push me to reconnect with myself when i'm about to become detached...things like music, art, poetry, architecture, lovemaking, laughing, playing with my sisters, dancing... all creative things that are expressions of the soul, remind me that i have one and that i should pay attention to it.


> "all good things come to an end"     so does this mean that noone could be

>happy forever??  If all things come to an end, then what possiblity is there

>that one can be happy their whole life. Even IF they find that one miracle

>thing that touches their soul and makes it smile, when and if it comes to an

>end, what happens then??


i don't think all good things come to an end...rather, i think all good things never end.  like you said, if candy makes someone wholly happy, why would someone stop eating it?  well, because it's not for their highest good.

now, good is a relative term, and so is bad, but no matter how relative they are, they are both very real experiences that come with this wonderful gift we have given ourselves...life.  when you learn to look at it that way and love the good AND bad experiences for the enlightenment they bring you, this is one of the keys to true happiness.  at least in my experience.


to answer your last question, i don't believe there is ONE thing that makes your soul smile,  there's all sorts of things that make your soul smile...most of all, it likes attention from you.  things like meditating (which i have never really done, so i'm not any sort of authority on this), things like reading, thinking, dreaming, daydreaming, seeing a beautiful sunset, playing with a pet, talking to a child, giving your mother a hug, giving a friend a hug....and countless other things that you do on a daily basis make your soul smile.  so, i believe there's so many things that make your soul truly happy every hour.... it can't possibly end.


have you ever seen or heard or smelled or tasted something so wonderful, it gave you chills?  made you warm and whenever you think back to that moment, you feel the same warmth and peace and wonder of it?  that's your soul expressing it's joy...letting you know "hey THIS ROCKS!! remember this!"



>  Maybe im just lost in the whole illusion of "Happiness" But i'd like to know

>what YOU think....and IF you can answer the questions iVe asked then please

>let me know what makes you Happy, and is there possibility of one being happy

>forever?? What makes up happiness and how can one achieve it??       *PLease

>write me back* 


everything i just wrote above was from my point of view, so i'm not the definitive source of "what happiness is".

i think there's the possibility of one being happy forever...but, what fun would it be if we didn't have  sadness?  how would you know you are "happy" if you never felt "sad"?  this is what i was talking about when i mentioned loving the good AND bad.

how can you know something is good if you have never experienced something that is bad?  sort of like the yin and the yang, one cannot truly exist without the other.....on the other hand, it CAN exist without the other, we just would not KNOW it to exist, because we would never have experienced it's opposite.  a sunny day is a sunny day, but doesn't it seem more so after you've emerged from a dark place?  it's things like this, the realization that all possibilities can exist , i think, that makes me happy.  if i'm sad on the surface, i'm happy deep down, because i know i'm alive, i'm experiencing myself as a human.  i'd have it no other way.


love,

Chad

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</smaller></paraindent><paraindent><param>out,out</param><smaller>phone: i can't tell you ha.
ha. ha. 

hint: how long can you tread water ha. ha. ha.

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From: Chad Sponholz <cspon@csd.uwm.edu>
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>2)will there be showers around the clean bathrooms



no showers...i already asked :) i don't know about clean bathrooms, i'm sure there will be bathrooms, but will they be kept clean? who knows.


peace,

Chad

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> DVD is the way to go for the forseeable future.  18 Gigs on one disk?
> 
> 
I can totally agree on this.  I have a DVD player at home, and a rapidly
expanding collection of movies.  

First off, the DVD is just like a CD, but w/ video capabilities along w/
audio.  I must say, the clarity is remarkable.  When the film is paused, the
screen has no static lines, nor is it blurry.  Perfectly clear as if the
movie was still playing.  Plus, it has menu capabilities; where one can skip
ahead per "chapter" or view information on the actors, director, how the
movie was made, etc.  The movie, CONTACT on DVD has some remarkable footage
about how they created their space scenes, and all the other special
effects.  It is a techy's dream.  

Not only can the DVD player run movies, but it will also play audio CDs as
well.  The sound for both the DVD movies and audio CD's is as clear as
crystal.  I have caught myself mistaking dialog in a film for someone
actually in the room.  Having a good stereo surround sound system is a bonus
with this.  :D

Getting everything hooked up and running isn't a massive stress attack,
either. Yet, there are some options on how you want to have it set up; sound
via TV or Stereo, video via TV or VCR, etc.  Oh yea, and it won't eat up the
movie if the heads are dirty or something has a krink in it.  ;)

The amount of movies released on DVD is also rapidly increasing.  Everything
from "Blazing Saddles" to "Austin Powers"  (yea, baby, yea!).

I could go on for hours about this machine...but make your own
discoveries/opinions about it.  

hugs, advancing technology & love vibes,
angel O:)

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"Please enjoy your day on this planet"

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Just thought I'd take this opportunity to plug the site again, for those who
don't know about it.  The URL below:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1533/raves.htm
is for a listing of upcoming raves in Chicago, from info that I get from
fliers, promoters, and other mw-ravers.  This site is kept very simple and
small so that
1) people can see the information they want quickly, despite Geocities'
often slow speeds, and 
2) I can update the site very easily, keeping it up to date.

I had a couple of other pages before, with links and promoter information,
but nobody seemed to hit those pages, so I removed them.  Any suggestions
though, will be considered.  Any additional party information is greatly
appreciated.

I can be contacted through the address above or cajm@usa.net

                                        Cajm

At 11:29 PM 5/20/98 EDT, you wrote:
>has anyone seen the page under geocities 4 rave listingz in chicago..
>itz actually a pretty phat site.. itz neat and really up to date.  
>if u need to address.. write me back er sumthin.  later...
>
>*muua*
>rach
>
>


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>  Maybe im just lost in the whole illusion of "Happiness" But i'd like to know
>what YOU think....and IF you can answer the questions iVe asked then please
>let me know what makes you Happy, and is there possibility of one being happy
>forever?? What makes up happiness and how can one achieve it??       *PLease
>write me back*
>
>   Thank you for listening and i hope to hear from you soon.
>
>                       Claudia    (( aka....PipSQueK)))
>
>

Schopenhauer said it's possible to be happy but impossible to be
very happy and easy to be very unhappy.

Freud was adamant about not only avoiding extreme states of
depression but also avoiding extreme states of joy which
is the other end of the bipolar extreme.

I agree.  The trip is better and lasts longer if you avoid
extreme states of joy.

Mark Joseph
Brain Farm

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I just wanted to put my two cents in here:

While DVD is a better format, the minidisc definetly has a place in in
the techno, house, Dn'B market where most of the music is pressed on to
vinyl.

A minidisc player/recorder price starts about $275, where a DAT player
starts about $900 and true consumer DVD rewritable players aren't
available yet, and when they are I'm sure they will be well over a
$1000.
But then there is always CD-R which you can get a computer one for about
$500 , the only bad thing that it is very time consuming to dump 5
minutes of stereo audio on to your computer, and if you mess up
recording you have start over with a new disc, and stand alone units
cost more than DAT players.

So that leaves us with the minidisc. For producers just starting out, it
works just fine. When the music is pressed on to vinyl (technicaly the
worst format for audio anyway) you wouldn't be able to tell the
difference of whether it came from DAT, DVD, CD-R, or a minidisc. As far
the DVD disc holding over two hours of music, who needs that if your
just recording a 15 minute EP?

My .02 cents
Martin bEAN

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> But then there is always CD-R which you can get a computer one for about
> $500 , the only bad thing that it is very time consuming to dump 5
> minutes of stereo audio on to your computer, and if you mess up
> recording you have start over with a new disc, and stand alone units
> cost more than DAT players.

where do you get your prices....youare reamed a new asshole if you are
paying this for a CD-R.... prices for a PC version (for all the IDE
peeps)....are aroudn $325 for an internal CD-R drive with 2 writable disks
AND an ISA SCSI card (so the writing doesnt crap out due to low transfer
speeds ......     for an external : expect around $375-$400    due to
extra materials and portability.      these are all taken from computer
shopper...whcih you can find at your local barnes&nobles/borders for $3.99 

writing a full 74 minute audio CD takes approximately 1 hour...which
includes the initial "test" run..(pretend burn)...so the CD-R is
configured correctly....and the actual burn (itself takes 30 minutes)  at
2X speed (which is the standard now)..

dont buy TDK writable disks...why?  THEY SUCK.   go for kodak or
Maxwell....in the long run they will last longer and give better
quality....    if you have a chance ....check out the nifty Kodak ones....
they are a clear-green color..and when you burn them they turn into gold
=)    (about 75% opaque after burning...tilting allows light to come
through)

another thing..dont get pissy if a burn doesnt work....EXPECT IT to happen
at least once every 10 burns.....its the norm  (i burn cds for the company
i work for)


> So that leaves us with the minidisc. For producers just starting out, it
> works just fine. When the music is pressed on to vinyl (technicaly the
> worst format for audio anyway) you wouldn't be able to tell the
> difference of whether it came from DAT, DVD, CD-R, or a minidisc. As far
> the DVD disc holding over two hours of music, who needs that if your
> just recording a 15 minute EP?

as for vinyl being the worst format for audio....   pfbttt! on you!!!
look at the cassette audio tape...its the worst.... 

if you hear well you can defiantley tell the difference between a CD-R and
minidisc....    minidisc has this little hum to it.   cd-Rs are farely
clear....   as for DAT..well i dont have tremendous experience...but those
are clearer than minidisc......this isnt dissing minidisc...why?   its a
cheap (only 299 for a portable recorder/playback device at best
buy)....the medium is cheap (around 10 bucks for 5 +1 packs)  and its
convienent (sony is more than willign to sell you some)

good luck shopping

-mikeyD
Rural AmeriKa
217.353.5111



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On Wed, 20 May 1998, Eucalptus wrote:

> on the other hand, for example, lets just say
> you record a bunch of music ( like 8 hours worth )
> off the radio, and want to be able to track through it
> to your favorite parts whenever you want, well you
> can record the video to the the minidisc and place either
> track marks where they really are (if you have patience)
> or every __ minutes to track through it quicker when you 
> listen, which is pretty cool I think, what else could you do 
> that with that is readily available to the regualar consumer?

Do me a favor, and tell me how you are recording video to MD?

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> As for happy hardcore, you have to go to Texas, the West Coast, Denver,
> and
> even more so to London, and Holland for some good Happy and normal
> Hardcore.
> 
	hahaha...now that is a joke..denver hasn't had any hardcore here at
all...at least not since i moved here in october....you might get someone
playing some underground construction/relief/jasper stone records on
45....which might sound like hardcore...but that is as close as you are
gonna get...unless deadly buda is playing at a party....then it will be real
hardcore...just thought i would let you know what the hardcore scene is like
in denver....since that was some serious misinformation...

	j.love
	*303*

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On Wed, 20 May 1998, DEEJAY3D wrote:
>vibeonauts shorted a bunch of dj's this past weekend ( at least 6 
>including myself that i know of for sure ) 50 dollars from the price 
>they had originally agreed upon. 
>

  Sorry to hear that - you might also notice that they have Danny tha 
Wildchild on their flyer for Firefly, June 13. Danny is booked for a 
Detroit party that same night (Family Ties). At least they knew better 
than to post it to mw-raves - the calendar is ok.

  All mw-peeps: Everyone try to make it up here next week to see 3D at 
Solar in Ann Arbor (I can't wait)! Also on the bill is DJ Recoil 
(techno), and our phat resident DJ Disco D (spinning booty).

peace,
 

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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Ben Page wrote:

> As for dats...I guess it all depends on the deck you use to record.  Dats
> are going to be outdated in a couple years as well.  Everyone seems to want
> 96khz with 32 or 64 bit, and dats can't do that, not yet at least.  I think
> the only thing capable of that kind of speed & resolution is digital hard
> disk with a damn fine audio card to process the data.

HHB has had one for a looooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnng time now.  I believe
Either Fostex or Panasonic was going to release, hell, maybe it was Sony,
was going to release or did release one in Vegas.  It ain't THAT hard.

> As for any kind of digital recording, no matter what medium you use
> (minidisk, dat, cd, hard-disk), you will never have good sound without good
> Analog to Digital converters.  Most dats skimp on the a/d conversion.  I
> don't even want to think about the converters they are putting into minidisk
> machines.  I doubt minidisks even allow for digital inputs since they don't
> want people pirating, and with having only analog inputs they will at least
> ensure that people have to lose a generation if copies are made...

Incorrect.  THe Denon and Yamaha's come with them standard, and it is
always an option on the lower Sony's.  The higher consumer Sony has
SP/DIF's...  And there IS an SCMS (as well as SCMS strippers) for MD's.

> The best way to go is to listen to several different rack mount A/D
> converters and pick one that sounds best to you.  That will affect the sound
> more than the format.

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On Thu, 21 May 1998 Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:

>         I agree completely.  Why would someone want to trade in their CD 
>      players for MD?  Sure you can record, but the selection is crap.  Do 
>      people really want another disc media that sounds worse than the CD's 
>      they already own? ( granted it's not that much worse)  I think that 
>      with the prices falling on CD burners, we'll see CD's around for 
>      awhile still.  I think one reason that the transition from analog tape 
>      to CD went so smoothly and easily (more or less) was that even 
>      nonmusicians could hear the difference between the two.  Plus Discs 
>      seem to last much better than tapes.  I think it will take a new form 
>      of media to convince people drop their CD's and switch.  Perhaps even 
>      some sort of HD device similiar to MP3 players?

Damn it!  MD's WERE NOT MEANT TO REPLACE CDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

They were meant to replace the audio cassette's home-recording purpose,
that's it.  THAT is why there is little selection available in titles,
THAT is why, unlike CD player's, 99.9% of all MD devices ALSO RECORD.

AUGH!  No one ever said (at least not me) that MD was replacing CD.  MD is
replacing the audio Cassette, and what the HELL is wrong with that?

~NOTHING!~

Augh!

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On Thu, 21 May 1998, MikeyD wrote:

> > But then there is always CD-R which you can get a computer one for about
> > $500 , the only bad thing that it is very time consuming to dump 5
> > minutes of stereo audio on to your computer, and if you mess up
> > recording you have start over with a new disc, and stand alone units
> > cost more than DAT players.
> 
> where do you get your prices....youare reamed a new asshole if you are
> paying this for a CD-R.... prices for a PC version (for all the IDE
> peeps)....are aroudn $325 for an internal CD-R drive with 2 writable disks
> AND an ISA SCSI card (so the writing doesnt crap out due to low transfer
> speeds ......     for an external : expect around $375-$400    due to
> extra materials and portability.      these are all taken from computer
> shopper...whcih you can find at your local barnes&nobles/borders for $3.99 

By $500 he meant one that is GOOD, not a cheap as US-CDROM drive
One like a nice Ricoh or HP

And, uh, by "stand alone" he meant "stand alone" NOT "external"  Stand
alones are made by companies like HHB and Marantz, and cost well over
$1,200 for a base model.  They do not need anything else, like a $2,000
computer, to operate, hence the term "Stand alone."

> writing a full 74 minute audio CD takes approximately 1 hour...which
> includes the initial "test" run..(pretend burn)...so the CD-R is
> configured correctly....and the actual burn (itself takes 30 minutes)  at
> 2X speed (which is the standard now)..

And the time it takes to RECORD THE AUDIO onto the computer in the first
place is...?  Yeah, that's what I thought.  MD saves you that extra
hour/hour and a half, and all that track ID'ng and test run crap you
talked about up there.  One shot record, BAM!, you're done.

> dont buy TDK writable disks...why?  THEY SUCK.   go for kodak or
> Maxwell....in the long run they will last longer and give better
> quality....    if you have a chance ....check out the nifty Kodak ones....
> they are a clear-green color..and when you burn them they turn into gold
> =)    (about 75% opaque after burning...tilting allows light to come
> through)

Agreed.  TDK and sunlight do not mix well.

> another thing..dont get pissy if a burn doesnt work....EXPECT IT to happen
> at least once every 10 burns.....its the norm  (i burn cds for the company
> i work for)

Funny, I've NEVER had a MD crap out on me, no matter WHAT I did, no matter
how many times I erased and wrote over it.  Yeah, why have NO FAILURES
when you can get 10% failure rates like that!?

> as for vinyl being the worst format for audio....   pfbttt! on you!!!
> look at the cassette audio tape...its the worst.... 

I tend to think of Carts as being the worst, but what do I know.

> if you hear well you can defiantley tell the difference between a CD-R and
> minidisc....    minidisc has this little hum to it. 

Not on a Sony 4 track.  I recommend you check the grounding in your
system, it's something that most people know about.

>  cd-Rs are farely
> clear.... 

Meaning what?  Those little pops and clicks you get with less than $1,000
worth of CDR software?

>  as for DAT..well i dont have tremendous experience...but those
> are clearer than minidisc......this isnt dissing minidisc...why?   its a
> cheap (only 299 for a portable recorder/playback device at best
> buy)....the medium is cheap (around 10 bucks for 5 +1 packs)  and its
> convienent (sony is more than willign to sell you some)

DAT at lower than 33khz is comparable to MD.  DAT is WAY better than CD at
96khz.

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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Jesse Settle wrote:

> 1)will there be a mw-raves camp
Since there are so many of us it will be quite hard to find everyone to 
have a central camp, but as it was said before, Stevenj and Melissa have 
a huge white dome tent. Find them before you set up camp and you are sure 
to find a bunch of mwravers

> 2)will there be showers around the clean bathrooms
Someone else said no, and that is right to the best of my knowledge. 
There is going to be a river, hopefully it is swimmable!

regarding bobfm...

Because we will not be able to have any sound eminating from our site 
after 11pm we will be playing tapes. At furthur, find our site (on the 
riverfront we will have large ominous banners all over) and drop 
off your mixtape. Tapes will be given a slot number as we get them and 
will be played in the corresponding slot #. I figure this is the most 
fair way to do this. Please check back at the end of the weekend, as if 
your tape doesn't get air time, we will return it to you.
The regular dj shedule will be set up the same way, but you will be able 
to sign up for a time slot. BOBFM reserves the right to boot any dj who 
"pounds into the red" because this overmodulation sounds sooper shitty 
on the air. Also, bring your own HEADPHONES. You DON'T want to use our 
house phones.

ROVING REPORTERS needed!! If you see stuff happening, let us know about 
it.  If your fave dj is on some sound system, or if someone you know had 
something stolen from them, or if you find someones keys etc..come let us 
know and we'll announce it. If you have a hand held tape recorder and get 
crowd snippets and or short interviews from you fave performer, bring it 
on by, we'll play it. If you have something you want to read on the air, 
let us know. bobfm is there for all of us to communicate. 

so don't forget your battery powered radios and tune to 104.5 fm upon 
entering furthur.

*the tension mounts*
:)
elaine

more bobfm info
http://www.barkingcat.org/eos/bobfm.htm

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As for Hard Trance in my sweet home Chicago... all I have to say is... WHAT'S
HAPPENING TO IT?!  There are so few Chicago DJs playing any of it today.  And
mega talented Dan Efex hasn't been playing here lately... a shame.  I can
count all the Chicago Trance-Techno DJs including myself on one hand and not
even use all my fingers.
I think part of the problem is that a lot of people don't really know what
Trance is when they hear it, and even the word "Trance" is misleading if you
ask me.
-open your ears and your mind!
Matt Druid
http://members.aol.com/druid303



In a message dated 5/21/98 10:57:36 AM Central Daylight Time, JMazzott@ile.com
writes:

<< 	hahaha...now that is a joke..denver hasn't had any hardcore here at
 all...at least not since i moved here in october....you might get someone
 playing some underground construction/relief/jasper stone records on
 45....which might sound like hardcore...but that is as close as you are
 gonna get...unless deadly buda is playing at a party....then it will be real
 hardcore...just thought i would let you know what the hardcore scene is like
 in denver....since that was some serious misinformation...
 
 	j.love
 	*303* >>

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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Detroit Junglist wrote:
> 
>   All mw-peeps: Everyone try to make it up here next week to see 3D at 
> Solar in Ann Arbor (I can't wait)! Also on the bill is DJ Recoil 
> (techno), and our phat resident DJ Disco D (spinning booty).
> 

oh my GAWD!!  i had a dream last nite that our lil solar had ads in mixmag
and on tv!!  bahahaha!!!  you ppl are getting to me!!!
ok back to sleep.....


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the flyer for proceed also includes Derrick May.

just so yall know!  :P

jon/dica


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greetings all

i jsut wanted to say to all who write me that i wont be answering email
from tonite on because i am going on vacation to orlando (ll let ya'll
knwo bout how it went) BUT i will be back for furthur (i arrive friday
nite)

logging off mw-raves now

see you all at furthur

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
217.353.5111



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It appears that many of the negative comments that I've been reading
concering MiniDisc technology (and I won't even go into HD-MD or
MD-Data) have been demonstrating a lack of information.  Allow me to
point out a few salent items and then I'll shut up about MD.  This
isn't really all that rave-related, anyway.  ;)

First off, Sony has been licensing MD technology for a while now.
You can purchase units from Denon, Yamaha, Nakamichi, Sharp, Aiwa,
Alpine, etc.  Portable, home, car and studio rack-mounts are
available.  It's insanely popular in Japan and is rapidly spreading
across Europe.  Some predictions place portable MD units ahead of
both CD and cassette combined in Asia for this winter.

The main reason you don't see it in the US is because, well, we're
cheap.  The _average_ (note the emphasis) American consumer is much
more concerned about price and availability than about technology or
quality issues.  Our disposable income is spent on bigger things,
like cars and RVs and stupid (IMO) shit like clothes; Japanese (due
to various reasons) buy gadgets.

Secondly, MD sound quality is incredibly superior to analog tape and
only slighly inferior to that of CD.  A MD unit you picked up to a
year ago isn't going to sound as good as one as you pick up today.
Why?  Because the ATRAC compression technology keeps advancing.  In
double-blind consumer testing, they couldn't tell the difference
between CD and MD audio sources.  Yes, if you pick certain passges
and concentrate on them you'll be able to tell differences, but for
95% of your home recording purposes (and I'd say 99.9% of your
mobile playback) MD works _very_ well.

Secondly and a half... ATRAC is _superior_ to MP3.  Record something
using current generation MP3 encoders and current ATRACs (4.0 and
above) and there is a completely noticable difference.  It uses what
they call "psycho-accoustic" algorythms, which basically mean that
they are modelled not after what saves the most space, but are based
on analysis of human hearing's sensitivity ranges.  At frequencies
that we are more discerning, the modelling is more accurate.  It
also takes advantage of certain frequencies masking other
frequencies; it only keeps track of parts of the sound data that are
actually picked up by the ear.  Early revisions of this software
were admittedly crap, but things are now in their 4th generation.
You would be surprised.  Even a 4th generation copy (with all
compression/decompression included), if recorded completely
digitally (SCMS can be defeated pretty easily) has no noticable
artifacts.

Thirdly, MD is by far the most convenient.  Compression _and_
decompression is realtime (try that with MP3).  There are no
problems with bad media (CD-R).  Recording and playback are
completely random-access (MD is really just a 2.5" MO disk, like a
HD.  You can read/write to any of up to 255 "tracks" on the disk and
then edit them down with 1/32 sec. resolution and rearrange/cut/sort
as much as you'd like).  Try that with DAT.  Try that with CD-R.
Even CD-RW isn't random; although you can rewrite data, you can only
erase from your insertion point to the end of the disc and then
re-record from that point onward (CD-RW is also unreadable by most
consumer CD players available anyways).  Who knows about recordable
DVD... it's so not-here-yet no one knows for sure about pricing or
features.

MD is also by far the lightest, smallest and most durable so far.
The discs are protected by a shuttered case.  A current-generation
player/recorder _and_ three or four discs will fit in a shirt
pocket.  Since compression is 5:1, the head assembly and drive motor
have to run only a few seconds and then shut off; recording/reading
are performed to/from memory for the majority of the time.  This
produces error-free buffering of up to 40 seconds on some units,
along with 12-hour recording and 22-hour playback times from a
single charge.

And finally... as was said before, MD is _not_ meant to replace CD.
It's meant to replace analog tape.  20Hz-20KHz frequenecy response
and 16 bit 41.1KHz sampling rate are, IMO, "good enough" when
combined with the other advantages of MD to make something not only
comparable to other forms of _currently_-available forms of audio
media, but in many ways more desirable.

Cripes.  I sound like a friggin' salesman.  But I think this
technology is the shit, at least for now.  Check www.minidisc.org
and www.sony.com for more info.



- Craig

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I've never bought a copy of Mixmag US (although I read it before putting
it back on the shelves) because publication you pay for should be sensible
enough to have a spell-checker before they print with typos, bad grammar,
and those damn "you're-your" and "its and it's."  It's not that hard!

If you have to spend $3 or something on a magazine, get Glamour instead.
Or Computer Shopper. 

And speaking of magazines that suck, recently on the 313 list they were
slamming Muzik for their so-called token articles on music, while filling
the rest of the mag with crap.  I have to disagree on this.  Personally,
without Muzik & Mixmag, I wouldn't have learned about half the
artists/records I would know now, and I like their style of writing.  Am I
looking at this through rose-colored glasses?

Ugh.
Amene
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only 19, with no fake...
:(  

On Wed, 20 May 1998, martin manry wrote:

> 
> Aw yeah....
> 
> Brockout! 101
> The History of Jungle/Drum & Bass
> 1993(Hardcore): DJ Snuggles 12:30am-? 
> 1994(Ragga): JJ Jellybean 11:30-12:30
> 1995(Jump Up): Phantom 45 10:30-11:30
> 1996(Rinsin'): DJ3D 9:30-10:30
> 1997(All the new shit): DJ Chamberweed 8:30-9:30
> 
> MCs Blackeye & Kid Entropy
> 
> All at Liar's CLub
> 1665 West Fullerton in Chicago
> $5.00 w/ID
> Ring Dubshack: (847)604-1983
> 
> 
> -bEANS
> 


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THIS EVENING 5/21/98 TOWER ON CLARK
   

This evening, Thursday May 21, PURE and Metro will have DJ Bernard Badie
beating down the HOUSE at Tower Records on Clark in the outside
courtyard after 5PM

Everyone is invited. (It's free!) Be sure to represent on your way home
from work, school, or whatever!

Tower on Clark is about two blocks south of Fullerton on Clark.

     See ya there
     Keep Dancin'

     PURE Staff

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On Thu, 21 May 1998 09:56:04 -0500 martin manry <megabean@mc.net> writes:

>A minidisc player/recorder price starts about $275,

$180 for a portable _recorder_ at the Sony Outlet Store in Kenosha.

> where a DAT player starts about $900

DATs are around $600-700 for a portable recorder & if you really shop
around $700-800 for a basic tabletop / rackmount model.

>But then there is always CD-R which you can get a computer one for 
>about $500 

Actually they start at around $250.  And I got my CD-RW (_re-writable_)
for $400.  Although the Re-writable discs are expensive, they will drop
soon (Probably when DVD-RW comes out).  The table-top models are around
$1000 now, and I'm sure they will be less once companies other than
Pioneer and Marantz are making them.

I think CD-R is the way to go.  You can play them anywhere in the world,
you can use them for audio or data or both, they are cheap (less than
$1ea. in bulk, which is cheaper than even the worst analog audio blank
tapes), and even though you can mess up and waste a disc, it hardly
matters since they are so cheap.  Plus, once you get the bugs worked out
of your system, and you get good software, you rarely burn bad discs.  

I like the MP-Man concept, but I probably won't be interested in one
until they have a portable recorder, plus I know other companies are
working on "solid-state" digital walkman-type thingys, I saw one from NEC
in Popular Science a couple of years ago.  I wouldn't want to buy a
MP-Man until I see what the competition has to offer.

Mini Disc is cool (I'm not to concerned with the minor quality
differences) and I may buy one just for portable recording, but anything
I record on it will probably be transferred to CD-R once I get back home.

Anyway, that's my $.02

	Joe
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On Thu, 21 May 1998 12:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Runs with scissors
<sm3915@acs.brockport.edu> writes:

>> writing a full 74 minute audio CD takes approximately 1 hour...which
>> includes the initial "test" run..(pretend burn)...so the CD-R is
>> configured correctly....and the actual burn (itself takes 30 
>minutes)  at
>> 2X speed (which is the standard now)..
>
>And the time it takes to RECORD THE AUDIO onto the computer in the 
>first place is...?  Yeah, that's what I thought.  MD saves you that
extra
>hour/hour and a half, and all that track ID'ng and test run crap you
>talked about up there.  One shot record, BAM!, you're done.

With my system I can record from my CD-ROM to my CD-R directly. 
Actually, I think it uses a buffer, but it behaves as though it's doing
it directly.  I just put the original in the CD-ROM, and the blank in my
CD-R, and click on "CdCopier", then click on "record disc".  Then in
about 20-40 minutes I have a new disc.  But if I want to record from a
source outside the computer, then it is a pain.  First I have to record
the source material as a .wav in real time, then you have to edit and/or
manipulate it (sometimes), and then you have to burn the CD, but still,
it's no big deal to me.

As for the cost differences between "stand-alone" and computer drives - I
can spend $1000-2000 on a machine that _only_ records CDs - or - I can
spend the same on a machine that records music CDs & data CDs, connects
to the internet, can do desktop publishing, games, graphics, sequencing,
sampling, accounting, or just about anything.  That's not a hard
decision. 

Umm, that makes $.04 now...

	Joe
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is there a way to access the Ritchie article online??  i know where the UK
version is (and it's not bad really, but kinda irrelevant), but the American
version doesn't seem to have any web presence...


______
cheers
Blue*~
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Okay Guys!!  Whats up?  Im Dana and I live in Indy.  Not much of a rave scene
down here but I figured a good place to start looking for new rave friends was
on the net!  Basic introduction:  Just wanna jump up and shout hey to all the
soon to be raver friends!  I am looking forward to Brockout!101 and
deffinately meeting all of you at one poitn or another!  If you guys here
anything about and Indy rave pass it on to me!  Thanks guys!!  Keep it real!!!


Much love,
Dana

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after having gone to cincy for step into a world i have decided the following:

1) stay away from cincy
2) never go to another party thrown by the promoters of step into a world.

oh well.  *shrug*


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Anyone know of any upcoming events closer to Indy?  i have been arond here for
a while and not much ever goes on.  Let me know!!

Love,
   Dana

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> I've never bought a copy of Mixmag US (although I read it before putting
----
yup...mixmag us sucks really bad. especially when they started out...i
must admit they have gotten a bit better (article on chicago junglist?)
but it doesnt deserve to carry the name mixmag.

> If you have to spend $3 or something on a magazine, get Glamour instead.
----
glamour rules. i love the do and donts in the back.
(my gf has a subscription....really!)

> slamming Muzik for their so-called token articles on music, while filling
> the rest of the mag with crap.  I have to disagree on this.  Personally,
> without Muzik & Mixmag, I wouldn't have learned about half the
> artists/records I would know now, and I like their style of writing.  Am I
> looking at this through rose-colored glasses?
----
muzik is probably my favorite music (heh) mag out there...along with
future music(though that isnt technically music mag). i get all the
info on speed garage through these fine publications from uk.

spending all his money for oversea mags and golf,
john.dove
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yes!!!

On Wed, 20 May 1998 23:07:51 -0500 OD <mnlayoun@facstaff.wisc.edu>
writes:
>oh yah?
>
>At 09:38 PM 5/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>hi
>>sorr about this wasted space
>>
>>i just  wanted to know if anyone wants to trade tapes
>>hardcore proferrably
>>ill trade my hardcore tapes for yours
>>if anyone is seriously interested please email me
>>i also have a bunch of house tapes
>>
>>thanks
>>dustin 
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i heard this wise saying one time that if you spend all your time trying
to find out what happiness truly consists of then you wont ever truly be
happy
dustin


On Thu, 21 May 1998 00:46:42 EDT Panked <Panked@aol.com> writes:
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>Agagin.......i did not write this......im jsut sharing other's 
>thoughts
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>Subject: *HaPpiNeSs*    (do NOT eRasE)
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>*PLEASE READ THIS*
>
> I apreciate anyone taking the time out to read this, and i hope you 
>all take
>time to think about what i have to say and please respond. What this 
>letter
>has to do with is "Happiness"  Are you Happy?
> Now right now you're thinking, yea im feeling pretty happy, but 
>please think
>again. Are you honestly, truly happy down deep inside??
> And to raise another question....what makes you happy??
> Now im not talking about that "temporary happiness"   Take for 
>instance, for
>some people they may say that Candy makes them happy right?? Well you 
>can only
>eat so much candy untill you get sick, and then your not happy again. 
>Its a
>temporary happiness to make everything else fade away for awhile. iT 
>makes
>problems and worries all hide for some time beeing. BUT what truly 
>makes you
>happy?? I do NOT expect you to answer this question right away, 
>actuatly i do
>NOT expect you to answer it all. Maybe its just one of those 
>rhetorical
>questions that noone will ever answer, who knows??
> "all good things come to an end"     so does this mean that noone 
>could be
>happy forever??  If all things come to an end, then what possiblity is 
>there
>that one can be happy their whole life. Even IF they find that one 
>miracle
>thing that touches their soul and makes it smile, when and if it comes 
>to an
>end, what happens then??
>  Maybe im just lost in the whole illusion of "Happiness" But i'd like 
>to know
>what YOU think....and IF you can answer the questions iVe asked then 
>please
>let me know what makes you Happy, and is there possibility of one 
>being happy
>forever?? What makes up happiness and how can one achieve it??       
>*PLease
>write me back* 
>
>   Thank you for listening and i hope to hear from you soon.
>
>                       Claudia    (( aka....PipSQueK)))
>
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if you people are talking about how mixmag is crap then let me add my
opinion
most of the magazine is commercial crap, and they also have a lot of
biased opinions
i also read them talking bad about happy hardcore one time
they have good listings for new records that arent out yet though
it seems like they have some good articles but its not like you cant find
the stuff out by yourself
dustin

On Wed, 20 May 1998 20:40:52 EDT sho.nuff@juno.com (jawsh decker) writes:
>
>>just wanted to get some examples of the "complete and total bullshit"
>>that you saw in Mixmag.
>
>well, id like to start off with the horrible ppl who are proofreading 
>that thing.  cuz the typos and repeated and or missing words were in 
>serious abundance.
>
>i thought the coverage was a pretty minimal cross section of whats 
>really going on around the united states.
>
>and, i know its primarily a club rag, but there wasnt even really that 
>much valuble info about clubs, let alone raves.
>
>first time i read the us version, and it sucks compared to the uk 
>version, imho.  *shrug*  nothing but a big ad fest.  not so unlike the 
>uk version, but least the uk has shit to advertise other than puff 
>daddy.
>
>>Granted the US version isn't as good as the 
>>UK's
>
>understatement.
>
>>but that's a pretty harsh slam to the magazine as a whole.
>
>well, i will say that this is the first time ive ever picked up a 
>copy.  as theres been nothing that looked like it was worth my three 
>bones til now.
>
>>Besides
>>richie, is there anything else in mixmagUS that was informative?
>
>informative?  thats relative, really.
>depends on where youre coming from and what youre into really.  i 
>personally tried to look at it with open eyes, as its new and such.  
>on the whole, i think its prolly an alright rag, but pretty slim on 
>serious stuff going on.
>
>>Just
>>thought your comment was harsh for a mag that's pretty o.k.
>
>mebbe harsh, yeah.
>but not unjustified.
>i dunno.  if the rag was free, id be going easier.
>but when ya gotta fork out cash, it should be readable.
>thats really my biggest complaint, the non.proofing.
>
>*shrug*
>
>but, uh, dont really like the other stuff they covered.
>course, i am a rather tuff customer.  but...  :)
>
>just my opinions tho...
>
>jawsh!
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 21 21:38:27 1998
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kay, may i suggest for the remember.the.magic net meet, perhaps two am by
the uh, vendor? im assuming thats you, dan.

anyhoo, im really bad at making these things, so in the event i space it
(always a good possibility), look for me, ill be sportin the brown pants
with rainbows down the sides. gettin dowwn, uh huh.

=jes


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>> writing a full 74 minute audio CD takes approximately 1 hour...which
>> includes the initial "test" run..(pretend burn)...so the CD-R is
>> configured correctly....and the actual burn (itself takes 30 minutes)  at
>> 2X speed (which is the standard now)..
>
>And the time it takes to RECORD THE AUDIO onto the computer in the first
>place is...?  Yeah, that's what I thought.  MD saves you that extra
>hour/hour and a half, and all that track ID'ng and test run crap you
>talked about up there.  One shot record, BAM!, you're done.

try handing out promo MD's to promoters and see how many of them book you.

now try the same thing with promo cds.





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If anyone has plans on going to San Francisco any time soon, check out
this site  www.globalparty.com   Nothing special as far as sites go, but
they
throw great parties.  I went to 2-3 when I lived in Cali.

Peace!

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so, all questions of minidic quality aside, someone talk to me about this:

that sony minidisc recording combo deal.  the one with the home recording
deck and the walkman and stuff... I think it's goign for around $400 at
best buy.  Is it a good deal or a ripoff?  I'm maybe, just slightly
possibly, thinking of buying one of those kits.  I'd use it probably to
make master copies of mixtapes and also just for like copying cds and stuff
onto something a little more portable.  anyone?  would i be wasting my
money?  remember, i don't want a lecture about how MD sucks or anything.
I've already heard that.

chris

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For those whom it may concern:

David Hollands is double booked for Weird Science (Chicago) and Entropy
(Cincinnatti).  Considering he is the head liner in Cinci, Id say this is
a significant over sight by some one.

These things are much too common...

ADam MEadows


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thats why u have them sign a contract

i think he will be in chicago.............

jackie

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> Dear random netizen, please get a clue.  There will always be a need
> for a low-budget rewritable sound reproduction medium.  In this sense,
> the MD is replacing (hopefully and gradually) the audio cassette.

Dear random condescending flamer, please stop talking down to people.

The future of MD is debatable.  I think everyone who owns a CD player
and a home computer will most likely buy a CD-RW, not a minidisk.
Anyone who researches the MD before they buy it should come to the
conclusion that it will only last another year or two.  That is hardly the
forseeable future.  Before you flame me for saying that the Minidisk
isn't going to catch on for consumer use, give it a year or two so you
can say "I told you so..."

If you go ahead and buy one, then you have to replace the CD player in
your car with a minidisk player, as well as all the Audio appliences in
your home.  What is the point in doing that if more music is readily
available on CD, and the sound quality is hardly different?  Just so you
can be the first kid on the block to own one?  You'll be the only kid on
the block to own one.

>DVD is as useless as tits on a wart hog for anything but playback at this
>point.  Consumer level DVD-R's are NOT available at this point.  When they
>DO hit the market two+ years from now, they will make the cost of a new
>car seem like chump change.

They are already available...Not for consumer use, but you can purchase
them.  They're about as expensive as CD burners were a couple years ago.
With the technology trends the way they are, the price will plummet in a
year or two.  By the year 2000, which would you rather own?  An out of date
minidisk player or a DVD writer?  Or even a CDRW?

>The year 2000 is the one after this, do the math.  Which will be, hell IS
>more useful right now? MD.

Do you really want to replace your audio investment in 2 years???  Then
you'll have to replace all your recordings as well as your equipment to keep
up with technology.  It's just like all those people who bought beta
machines, and then had to replace their equipment with VHS.  Everyone
already seems to know that MD is on it's way out, why even bother with
something when it's future is so bleak???

Try reel to reel analogue tape.  It has better resolution, and if you are a
purist, you'd probably appreciate the sound quality even more.  Is minidisk
capable of 44.1 or 48 khz or both?  I forgot.  That means that it will only
hit frequencies as high as 24khz.  Reel to reel analogue can go as high as
35khz and still have a flat frequency response (+-1).  Yes, you can hear
notes that high.  There are overtones that need to be filtered out when you
are recording digital, otherwise they still end up in the bit stream, only
they will end up as bass notes rather than extreme trebel.  Digital is just
fucked up like that.  So you have to have low pass filters to get rid of all
the overtones.  With analogue you keep the pure sound as well as the
overtones.  Give me a reel to reel tape player and a cassette deck for the
road anyday over an MD.

>DVD doesn't even posses a standard audio format yet,

5.1 (US and Japan) and 7.1 (Europe).  The 7.1 audio will still playback on
all the 5.1 machines.  I'd prefer to wait for car dvd players to come out so
that I can listen to theatre quality sound in my car, rather than 2 channel
MD crap.  Surround sound for the road sounds awefully appealing.  That is in
the forseeable future.  Why buy a MD player if the technology will be
outdated in 2 years, or less?  I'd sooner hold off on buying anything that
expensive until a more certain format comes out.

> much less any chance for writeable or RE-writeable DVD drives
>in the next 2 years, probably 4.  And for a DVD-R or RW to get into most
>homes in America will take at least another 5 years on that, putting you
>at close to a decade for it to be truely mainstream enough to replace the
>regular CDR we use now.

Ok, you got me on the RE-writeable point.  But why buy MD if your computer's
Rom player is capable of doing that with CDs?  What benefits does MD give
you over that?  There are too many reasons to buy a CD player, such as being
able to buy any title from any manufacturer in stores.  For MD, you can only
buy Sony titles.  For most ravers, that's about as useless as a membership
to BMG or Columbia House.  I'd rather have a CD RW anyday.  That is a cheap
method of rewritable data that is immediately available.

>For playback, YES, it kicks all holy ass over the MD, sorta.  YOU cannot
>build your own DVD's now (in a generalized sense), but you CAN get 8-track
>MDR's with compression algorhythms BETTER than standard audio CDs.

Ok, now we're talking about professional uses.  If you are going to buy a
Digital Audio Workstation, get one that records onto 2 gig Jazz.  That holds
far more information than minidisk, with better sound quality, and easier
editing.  Bounce down to CDRW, and you're set.  What professional mastering
house is going to support your 8 track MD?
The Jaz disks are certainly more expensive, but you are getting what you pay
for, and they are accepted by SPARS (the society of professional audio
recorders) as a means to store digital audio.  MD isn't.

>Yes the data is crunched, and no it isn't perfect as far as quality is
>concerned, but god-damn it they sound NICE, and from someone that has
>heard DVD and MD, there ain't all that much difference.

What about the 5.1 and 7.1 channels of sound?  Minidisk only offers 2.  That
sounds like a pretty damn big difference to me.  For anyone reading this who
doesn't understand, 5.1 means Left, Right, Center, Rear-Left, Rear-Right,
and the .1 is for subwoofer.  The 7.1 means that you have 2 additional
speakers for the front Left and Right.  I think anyone who listened to a 5.1
channel DVD setup vs a 2 channel MD setup would hear a difference
immediately.

>As far as size is concerned, DUH! Of course DVD is 'better' in that it CAN
>hold up to 18g (if anyone ever bothers), but the MD can hold 74 minutes of
>stereo sound, cost is dirt-cheap, and you can get a portable
>player/recorder and MD players for your car.....

Was that "DUH!" really necessary?  You sound educated enough to hold a
conversation with an adult.  If you want other people to respect you, try
respecting other people.  The reason the cost of MD is dirt cheap at this
point is because they are worth dirt.  In audio as with life, you tend to
get what you pay for.

I doubt you like classical music, but imagine having every symphony by the
composer of your choice on a single disc, rather than a stack of them.  I
definitely think people will want to take advantage of the DVDs size not
just for video, but for audio storage & playback as well.  Hell, I'd love to
have the complete works of Dj Hyperactive on a single disc.  That is already
possible with DVD.  It's just expensive as hell.  But the price will drop.
Anyone considering in investing in a new piece of gear should seriously
consider how soon the MD will be obsolete.

>They aren't the same thing at ALL.  It's like comparing a dead rhinocerous
>carcass to Robin Leech's hair, they are both related, but they have
>totally different purposes and were created with totally different
>intents.

Ok, you do get a couple flame points for that.  That was funny.

A nice thing about DVDs that is worth considering is that they are backwards
compatable with CDs and LaserDisk.  But they won't play your MDs.  At this
point, do you really want to record all your music on MD?  Because you
aren't going to be able to play them back on a DVD player, but you would be
able to if you had been burning CDs.

>DVD's are for movies and large-file storage.  MD's are for
>regular people like us that want something better than cassette, without
>the hassel of CD's, to put music on.

CD's are a hassle?  Imagine how hard it will be to find blank MDs in the
next few years.  No one will have them in stock, and they will be just as
obsolete as Beta.  Whereas CDs aren't going anywhere for a long time.

DVDs will be used for exclusive audio storage.  Think of all the people who
own multiple disk changers.  Rather than carry around 5 disc cartridges (or
your 100 disc machine), you could carry around a single DVD.  Sounds pretty
nice to me, and I'm sure that sounds appealing to other people as well.  I
wouldn't say that DVDs are for movies and large-file storage only...And I
definitely wouldn't say that MDs are the wave of the future.

---Cylert


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Hey guys I just wanted to say thanks for all the greta welcomes and the
thoughful ideas on parties here in Indy!  I feel soo special already!  :o)  Or
maybe thats just too much Pepsi!  I dont know but I do know that you are all a
great bunch and I give many props to you all!  keep it real!!

Dana-ba-nana

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On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:41:14 -0500 "Ben Page" <page@simon.wustl.edu>
writes:

>next few years.  No one will have them in stock, and they will be just 
>as obsolete as Beta.  Whereas CDs aren't going anywhere for a long time.
>

Beta isn't obsolete.  It's still in wide use for professional video and
it's STILL better than VHS.  Sony still supports Beta by manufacturing
blank tapes, which are still available in high-end audio/video stores. 
I'm sure that Sony will still support MiniDisc for years to come,
especially since it's huge in Asia and big in Europe.  It'll be a long
time before MiniDiscs are not available.  Shit, in '83 people thought
vinyl would be obsolete in a few years and we all know that isn't true.  
I even see DCC tapes here and there.

I plan on buying a MD recorder for portable digital recording.  Why
should I take a $1000 DAT or a $2000 computer to friends house, rave or
concert to record with when I could take a $300 Walkman ?  Then you can
take the MD home and transfer it to any media you want.

Btw, if anyone has a Stereo Beta VCR they want to sell, I'm interested.

That makes $.06 now...damn, you guys will be rich soon ;)

	Joe
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At 04:12 PM 5/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>after having gone to cincy for step into a world i have decided the
following:
>
>1) stay away from cincy
>2) never go to another party thrown by the promoters of step into a world.
>
>oh well.  *shrug*


Nah Cincy is cool..as long as Wilhelm isn't throwin his parties..All I got
to say is fuck him..Step Into A Shithole sucked..but it was good to see you
there gip :)


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Subject: EF Schedule changes - read carefully !
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Notice to people playing on the Dynamic Groove Sound System @ Even
Furthur '98:

There have been some minor changes in the schedule.  Look carefully at
the schedule to see if it effects you. Most of the changes were made on
Sunday.  No one should be on a different day unless they requested it. 
Most changes are changes of the time that you are playing, and should
only reflect a change of an hour or two.

If there is any problem with the changes notify me immediately.  I will
post a revised, final version once I know that these changes are
acceptable.

Be sure to check in at Furthur to confirm you time slots !

A copy of the old schedule follows this to allow for a comparison.

Friday:
---
12:30 pm Jay-C (Drum & Bass)
1:30 pm Helix (Techno)
2:30 pm R-yn (Drum & Bass)
3:30 pm Funky Diabetic (Electro/Acid House)
4:30 pm Dan X (House)                                                    
                         
5:30 pm Steven J (Trance & Techno)
6:30 pm Steven Kaye (Trance & House)
7:30 pm Johnsin (Drum & Bass)
8:30 pm Mindrive (Techno/House/Trance)
9:30 pm Dan Efex (Techno & Trance)

Saturday:
---
11:30 am J-Sun (Ambient/Experimental)
12:30 pm MikeyD (D&B/Experimental)
1:30 pm Dica (Drum & Bass)
2:30 pm Pressboard (Live-Hard Acid Noise)
3:30 pm DJ Invisible (Techno)
4:30 pm Fiz (Techno)
5:30 pm Fishead (Gabber/Hardcore)
6:30 pm Ken & Karl Meier (Techno & House)
7:30 pm Tsar (Trance) 
8:30 pm Deepstar (Drum & Bass)
9:30 pm Casper (Drum & Bass)

Sunday:
---
11:30 am Kent Christopher (House)
12:30 pm Dove (Speed Garage)                                             
   
1:30 pm Jace (House)                                           
2:30 pm David Siska (Techno)
3:30 pm Kid Entropy (Drum & Bass)
4:30 pm Pretty Boy Netti (Drum & Bass)
5:30 pm Mindflux (Drum & Bass)                                           
                   
6:30 pm Mark Lancaster (D&B/Hardcore/Experimental)
7:30 pm Casey Rice (Drum & Bass)
8:30 pm Reserved
9:30 pm Reserved

-----

OLD SCHEDULE - THIS IS NO LONGER VALID - FOR COMPARISON ONLY !

Friday:
---
12:30 pm Jay-C (Drum & Bass)
1:30 pm Bob S. (Techno)
2:30 pm R-yn (Drum & Bass)
3:30 pm Funky Diabetic (Electro/Acid House)
4:30 pm Jace (House)
5:30 pm Steven J (Trance & Techno)
6:30 pm Steven Kaye (Trance & House)
7:30 pm Johnsin (Drum & Bass)
8:30 pm Mindrive (Techno/House/Trance)
9:30 pm Dan Efex (Techno & Trance)

Saturday:
---
11:30 am J-Sun (Ambient/Experimental)
12:30 pm MikeyD (D&B/Experimental)
1:30 pm Dica (Drum & Bass)
2:30 pm Pressboard (Live-Hard Acid Noise)
3:30 pm DJ Invisible (Techno)
4:30 pm Fiz (Techno)
5:30 pm Ken & Karl Meier (Techno)
6:30 pm Fishead (Gabber/Hardcore)
7:30 pm Eye-D (Gabber/Hardcore)
8:30 pm Tsar (Trance)
9:30 pm Robb G. (Funky Breaks)

Sunday:
---
11:30 am Kent Christopher (House)
12:30 pm Dan X (House)
1:30 pm Mindflux (Drum & Bass)
2:30 pm David Siska (Techno)
3:30 pm Art Vandelay (Speed Garage)
4:30 pm Pretty Boy Netti (Drum & Bass)
5:30 pm Deepstar (Drum & Bass)
6:30 pm Mark Lancaster (D&B/Hardcore/Experimental)
7:30 pm Casey Rice (Drum & Bass)
8:30 pm Kid Entropy (Drum & Bass)
9:30 pm Casper (Drum & Bass)

Thanks,
	Joe
________________________________________________________________
Joe Carroll - Dynamic Sound & Lighting - Dynamic Groove Productions
dgroove@juno.com - www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik
414-777-DYNAMIC
________________________________________________________________
                                                                 

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Nothing lasts forever.  That's what I think.

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Cylert:

> If you go ahead and buy one, then you have to replace the CD player in
> your car with a minidisk player, as well as all the Audio appliences in
> your home.

There are already CD/MD car units, as there are CD/MD and CD/MD/tape
home units.

> What is the point in doing that if more music is readily
> available on CD, and the sound quality is hardly different? 

You record CD to MD, like CD to tape.  MD is meant to replace tape,
not CD.  You can make compilations, record audio broadcasts, etc.

> Just so you 
> can be the first kid on the block to own one?  You'll be the only kid on
> the block to own one.

Maybe today.  Maybe not tomorrow.  As I stated in my post earlier,
multiple predictions have suggested that portable MD units will
outsell both portable CD and tape this winter in Asia.  No, that's
not America; I understand that.  But it's not a format that's going
to just dissapear, as you seem to be alluding to.  What exists to
challenge it, either in the present or forseeable markets?  There
are simply markets and areas of use that MD is clearly superior.

> By the year 2000, which would you rather own?  An out of date
> minidisk player or a DVD writer?  Or even a CDRW?

That DVD writer is going to still require a computer to hook up to.
It's not going to be portable.  It's certainly not going to fit in
my shirt pocket and have a 22 hour batterly life.  Hmm, by the year
2000 HD-MD will be out so maybe most of my audio will be on that...

> Everyone
> already seems to know that MD is on it's way out, why even bother with
> something when it's future is so bleak???

Who is this "everyone" you're talking about?  Is that why more and
more manufacturers each quarter are announcing new MD hardware?  Is
that why Alpine will be releasing _fifteen_ new MD models for Xmas?

> Try reel to reel analogue tape.  It has better resolution, and if you are a
> purist, you'd probably appreciate the sound quality even more.

I had an old Sony RtR.  Talk about cumbersome.  Might as well just
use DAT.

> Is minidisk
> capable of 44.1 or 48 khz or both?  I forgot.  That means that it will only
> hit frequencies as high as 24khz.

What does sampling rate have to do with frequency response?
Nothing.  MD's sampling rate of 44.1 KHz and frequency response of
20 Hz - 20 KHz are the same as CD.  Oh shit, better toss out all my
CDs; they sound like crap.  Uh oh, my speakers and headphones are
are rated for 20/20 too.  Hmm.  This is going to get expensive.

> Give me a reel to reel tape player and a cassette deck for the
> road anyday over an MD.

Analog still has certain frequency and soundscape qualities that
digital can't match yet.  But this is something that is inherent in
all digital medium, not just limited to MiniDisc.  Let's go for a
bike ride; I'll bring my 5 oz. MD recorder, you bring your... oh
wait... how long is that extension cord?

> Why buy a MD player if the technology will be
> outdated in 2 years, or less?  I'd sooner hold off on buying anything that
> expensive until a more certain format comes out.

This goes back to a point I mentioned in my earlier post.
Cheapness.  Here you're debating price instead of technical merit.

> Ok, you got me on the RE-writeable point.  But why buy MD if your computer's
> Rom player is capable of doing that with CDs?  What benefits does MD give
> you over that?

Because then I don't need a computer to hook the CD-RW burner?  It's
completely portable?  I can edit, rearrange, splice and cut tracks
to my liking?  I can title each MD and all of the tracks on it?

> There are too many reasons to buy a CD player, such as being
> able to buy any title from any manufacturer in stores.  For MD, you can only
> buy Sony titles.

Hmm.  How many CD-RW titles can you buy?  None.  You acquire the
audio source elsewhere and then write to CD-RW.  Hey... just like
MD.  Why not just buy the CD and then I can record the tracks in any
order to the MD.  Or make my own compilations.  Or mixes.  Or
whatever.

> I'd rather have a CD RW anyday.  That is a cheap
> method of rewritable data that is immediately available.

You mean, like MiniDisc.  But I don't need a computer.  In fact, i
don't have a computer right now (I use a text terminal)... so I'd
have to out and spend at least $700 or so on a computer, in addition
to the CD-RW drive.  Doesn't sound like such an advantage over a
$250 MD recorder that I can use right out of the box.

> What professional mastering
> house is going to support your 8 track MD?

I would think that if you're going to send something off to be
mastered, you'd perhaps do your editing on something else (maybe MD,
although it's lossy and I don't see why) and then copy to CD-R or
DAT.

> The reason the cost of MD is dirt cheap at this
> point is because they are worth dirt.  In audio as with life, you tend to
> get what you pay for.

Hmm.  Blank CD-Rs are about a buck with a jewel case.  This is
cheaper than MD.  Does this mean they're worth dirt?  Your analogy
doesn't hold up here.

> Anyone considering in investing in a new piece of gear should seriously
> consider how soon the MD will be obsolete.

I think that they also should consider some other things. 

DVD will never be as small, portable, durable or versatile as MD.
It physically cannot.  There are no portable DVD players (now).
there are no car DVD players (now).  And who knows how DivX will
fuck things up.

5.1 or 7.1 encoding cannot be performed in realtime, even on P300s
or G3s.  So even if you lugged your badass expensive-as-hell laptop
with you and your DVD burner, you'd still have to record the audio
source to your HD and then do a lengthly convert, then begin the
(lengthly) burn.  Your computer is tied up the entire time if you're
using any mainstream OS, too.

> At this
> point, do you really want to record all your music on MD?  Because you
> aren't going to be able to play them back on a DVD player, but you would be
> able to if you had been burning CDs.

Better not record your music to DAT, or that reel-to-reel or cassette
that you'd take "anytime over MD" either... 'cause they won't play
back on your DVD player either.

> I wouldn't say that DVDs are for movies and large-file storage only...
> And I definitely wouldn't say that MDs are the wave of the future.

I'm not banging DVD, but it isn't everything.  Neither is MD.  They
don't compete with each other.  MD, if anything, is meant to replace
something that should have died a long time ago... analog cassette.
Entirely digital (with all the benefits/drawbacks), infinitely
rewritable, extremely compact and durable, and last but certainly
not least, competely editable.

For many things DVD is and will be a "best choice" solution.  But to
simply write off MD, even in another 18 months to two years when DVD
has matured, seems rather short-sighted and arrogant.  They fill
different needs, have different (dis)advantages, and, I feel most
importantly -- can and will co-exist nicely and cooperatively.



- Craig

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Detroit Junglist wrote:
> 
>    'sup, everyone?
> 
>   Here's the skippy - I want to come down and check out a partie in Ohio
> this summer, and "what's the lineup?" is a necessary but NOT sufficient
> part of a much bigger equation - PLUR, ya' know? Could some peeps
> suggest which producers in Ohio put on plurry parties?
> And in which cities have you had the best time in Ohio? Cleveland?
> Cincinnati?
> 

If you want PLUR and good vibes, make tracks to Family Affair 4 on July
4 weekend. I went to FA 1 & 3 and those were two of the best parties
I've been to. Outdoors, camping, 2 nights of great music , lots of kids
from all over the country. See you there!

-- Robin 
Kansas City

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Hi-
I'm Jen, I'm kinda new to this.  I sent my first posting yesterday, I"m from
the minneapolis area.  who else is, huh?  Talk to you kids soon!
-Jen

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Hey guys...
I'm doing a non-fictional performance in a performance studies class
next week in which I'm planning on juxtaposing the 20/20 transcript
about parties with ravers' accounts of why it is that they love the
scene.  If you guys could help me out, I would love if anyone could find
it in themselves to post a little something about what draws you to our
scene, etc.  I'm sure we'd all love to hear about it anyhow...
Also, if anyone knows where this transcript is available (I seem to
remember someone posting something about its presence on-line) please
tell me how to find it.
Thanks a ton, guys!! Have a great Memorial Day weekend...
-SM:)EEN


e-keribar@nwu.edu

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real quick now, before i go to bed. [gotta get to chicago tomorrow =) ]

...because there's nothing more beautiful than a hug at six a.m. on a
sunday when my eyes are still wide wide open from the pure joy and
pleasure of being alive and awake in this world able and free to dance and
create and participate without fear, without judgement, without hate and
without repression. 
...because this is the greatest party on earth, this is the act of being
art, this is the massive movement from underneath the facade of the modern
world to subvert the hearts the minds the souls of everyone who has ever
longed to be free, who has ever longed to create their own world, who has
ever longed to exhaust themselves in the pursuit of freedom and art and
music and life.
...the world will end when the last girl with the last beautiful eyes in
the world opens her eyes in the ruins of a city long after the music and
the rest of the dancers have all gone; and she will see the faceless grey
sun in the grey hazy sky beating down on her. the glitter in her hair will
fade, the smile will fall off her face like a small brown pebble to the
ground and she will stop dancing and she will wander off alone. that is
how the world will end. 


sorry for being so damn strange...

peace, hugs,
andrew
[who must be tired]

seeya all at remember the magic.



On Fri, 22 May 1998, SM:)EEN wrote:

> Hey guys...
> I'm doing a non-fictional performance in a performance studies class
> next week in which I'm planning on juxtaposing the 20/20 transcript
> about parties with ravers' accounts of why it is that they love the
> scene.  If you guys could help me out, I would love if anyone could find
> it in themselves to post a little something about what draws you to our
> scene, etc.  I'm sure we'd all love to hear about it anyhow...
> Also, if anyone knows where this transcript is available (I seem to
> remember someone posting something about its presence on-line) please
> tell me how to find it.
> Thanks a ton, guys!! Have a great Memorial Day weekend...
> -SM:)EEN
> 
> 
> e-keribar@nwu.edu
> 
> e-keribar@nwu.edu
> "Dance like nobody's watching and love like it will never hurt."
> "If this don't make your booty move, your booty must be dead."
> 


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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Bro Keeps wrote:

> In a message dated 98-05-21 00:47:40 EDT, Panked@aol.com writes:
> 
> << Take for instance, for
>  some people they may say that Candy makes them happy right?? Well you can
> only
>  eat so much candy untill you get sick, and then your not happy again. >>
> 
> I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with this one.  Suppose eating
> candy makes someone happy.  If that person eats a reasonable amount of candy
> to be happy, waits until they need to be a little happier, eats another piece,
> the person can be happy indefinitely.  Eating candy is not likely to bring
> about sickness, unless you eat something like 50 Charleston Chews in a fuckin'
> day.

if people could only remember this about their drugs.

5 hits is plenty for ANYONE.

anyway.

peace, hugs,
andrew


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On Thu, 21 May 1998 dgroove@juno.com wrote:

> >And the time it takes to RECORD THE AUDIO onto the computer in the 
> >first place is...?  Yeah, that's what I thought.  MD saves you that
> extra
> >hour/hour and a half, and all that track ID'ng and test run crap you
> >talked about up there.  One shot record, BAM!, you're done.
> 
> With my system I can record from my CD-ROM to my CD-R directly. 
> Actually, I think it uses a buffer, but it behaves as though it's doing
> it directly.  I just put the original in the CD-ROM, and the blank in my
> CD-R, and click on "CdCopier", then click on "record disc".  Then in
> about 20-40 minutes I have a new disc.  But if I want to record from a
> source outside the computer, then it is a pain.  First I have to record
> the source material as a .wav in real time, then you have to edit and/or
> manipulate it (sometimes), and then you have to burn the CD, but still,
> it's no big deal to me.
> 
> As for the cost differences between "stand-alone" and computer drives - I
> can spend $1000-2000 on a machine that _only_ records CDs - or - I can
> spend the same on a machine that records music CDs & data CDs, connects
> to the internet, can do desktop publishing, games, graphics, sequencing,
> sampling, accounting, or just about anything.  That's not a hard
> decision. 

Yeah, but that isn't what MD is FOR.  It isn't meant to record DATA -
DATA, just audio data, and it does that just as well as CD, except in the
heddy parts of Carmina Burana and the like.  Why spend $1000 on a system
that does tons of extra crap THAT I ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOES THE
SAME THING, when I can plop down $500 for a package that lets me record my
own MD's, and play them back anywhere I want, edit them as I see fit
without any extra software, and gives me the chance to chuck that fucking
tape deck that I spent $300 on four years ago that now sounds like ASS in
comparison? 

And I doubt that you can get a decent system for $1,000 that records
CDR's, has a modem worth a damn, has Photoshop, Pagemaker, a scanner,
color dye-sublimation printer (that's what you need for REAL desktop
publishing... ;) ), Doom2, a joystick worth a damn, a decent monitor and
video card (there goes $1,000), Cakewalk or whatever for sequencing, and a
decent enough sound card for your sampling.  Let's not forget that we want
a real OS on this machine like NT4.0 (5.0 bites), Quicken (accounting
software you want), enough RAM to handle all this crap, maybe we'll
upgrade you to an ethernet card and get you one of those antiquated ISDN
lines, oh fuck it, all I want to do is record music, not start a record
label!


FYI, my plans are to get a CDR (a nice HP), and a UFW SCSI card once I get
a 'real job.'  My plans ALSO include a Sony MDM-X4 because I love that
fucking thing, and it's four tracks without all that annoying computer
shit, and I don't have to worry about HD space or anything.  Oh, and I am
also going to get a Zip drive that works with my comuter, and then a REAL
backup medium, like that DVD burner..... *ha*

> Umm, that makes $.04 now...

Hell, I'm up to a looney now.

sef

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On Thu, 21 May 1998 dgroove@juno.com wrote:

> >A minidisc player/recorder price starts about $275,
> 
> $180 for a portable _recorder_ at the Sony Outlet Store in Kenosha.

Dude, where's mine?  It'll be Christmas soon...

> > where a DAT player starts about $900
> 
> DATs are around $600-700 for a portable recorder & if you really shop
> around $700-800 for a basic tabletop / rackmount model.

I know you can get a 'basic' low-end DAT for $350.  I also know that you
can get Fostex D-30's for 'slightly more' than that, and that', besides
the HHB portable, is on my list of 'toys' to get.

> >But then there is always CD-R which you can get a computer one for 
> >about $500 
> 
> Actually they start at around $250.  And I got my CD-RW (_re-writable_)
> for $400.  Although the Re-writable discs are expensive, they will drop
> soon (Probably when DVD-RW comes out).  The table-top models are around
> $1000 now, and I'm sure they will be less once companies other than
> Pioneer and Marantz are making them.

And do you have a re-writable player in your car, or a portable, or do
they now play in consumer CD players?

> I think CD-R is the way to go.  You can play them anywhere in the world,
> you can use them for audio or data or both, they are cheap (less than
> $1ea. in bulk, which is cheaper than even the worst analog audio blank
> tapes),

No matter what else you say, no matter how much merit it has, I have to
tell you that no matter how cheap you can find an MDR for, if you cannot
find blank cassettes for less than a dollar a piece, you have some
serious, SERIOUS problems.  **I** can find tapes for less than that at
K-Mart.  I bet if you called Sweetwater even they could do better than
that.  Hell, even SAM ASH has them cheaper than that.

> and even though you can mess up and waste a disc, it hardly
> matters since they are so cheap. 

Hey, that's exactly the kind of anti-environment Capitalist attitude we
are trying to disuade, OK? :)

> Plus, once you get the bugs worked out
> of your system, and you get good software, you rarely burn bad discs.  

THAT I agree with.

> I like the MP-Man concept, but I probably won't be interested in one
> until they have a portable recorder, plus I know other companies are
> working on "solid-state" digital walkman-type thingys, I saw one from NEC
> in Popular Science a couple of years ago.  I wouldn't want to buy a
> MP-Man until I see what the competition has to offer.

My curiousity revolving around the MP thing is based on two concepts:

1. What happens when the batteries die?
2. Since MP-3 is now on the way to MP-4 or 6 or whatever, will it ever be
a standard enough that my uncle Jimmy would ever buy one?

> Mini Disc is cool (I'm not to concerned with the minor quality
> differences) and I may buy one just for portable recording, but anything
> I record on it will probably be transferred to CD-R once I get back home.

That's IT!  NOW you catch on!  Use the MD as your scratch pad, and bounce
down to CD!  Saves a LOT of effort....  Really, $180 is cheaper than a
'OK' cassette deck with 2 heads and no cool features, well, definitely
less than a 3 head 3 motor cassette deck.

> Anyway, that's my $.02

"Oh!  HELLO Mr. Grant..."

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On Thu, 21 May 1998, (chris ege) wrote:

> try handing out promo MD's to promoters and see how many of them book you.

ARGH!  That's not what it's FOR!  Damn you all on the mini-label campaign!

Fucking DJ's, who needs them....




....uh oh, MAYBE I shouldn't say things like that.

Regardless, what percentage of the American population is going to be
handing out Promo CD's or tapes to promoters?  What percentage of the
populace is going to buy an MD recorder?  Which percentage a CD Recorder
for their home?

ARGH!  ERIN!  HELP!

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On Fri, 22 May 1998 02:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Runs with scissors
<sm3915@acs.brockport.edu> writes:
>
>And I doubt that you can get a decent system for $1,000 that records
>CDR's, has a modem worth a damn, has Photoshop, Pagemaker, a scanner,
>color dye-sublimation printer (that's what you need for REAL desktop
>publishing... ;) ), Doom2, a joystick worth a damn, a decent monitor 
>and video card (there goes $1,000), Cakewalk or whatever for sequencing,
and a
>decent enough sound card for your sampling.  Let's not forget that we 
>want a real OS on this machine like NT4.0 (5.0 bites), Quicken
(accounting
>software you want), enough RAM to handle all this crap, maybe we'll
>upgrade you to an ethernet card and get you one of those antiquated 
>ISDN lines, oh fuck it, all I want to do is record music, not start a
record
>label!
>

Actually, I have a K6-200 with a Ricoh CD-RW and a 30bit Scanner and I
paid less than $1500 for all of it.  Sure software is expensive, but who
pays for software (especially when all your friends have a CD-R too) ;)

	Joe
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> that sony minidisc recording combo deal.  the one with the home recording
> deck and the walkman and stuff... I think it's goign for around $400 at
> best buy.  Is it a good deal or a ripoff?  I'm maybe, just slightly
> possibly, thinking of buying one of those kits.  I'd use it probably to
> make master copies of mixtapes and also just for like copying cds and stuff
> onto something a little more portable.  anyone?  would i be wasting my
> money?  remember, i don't want a lecture about how MD sucks or anything.

Well, seeing as how we just read that you can get the portable recorder
for $180 at a Sony outlet, I'd recommend going there for your kit and
pricing it (if you can find one near you), and comparing.

I would say it's a good deal.  You get a portable player, and a home
recorder.  You'd spend the same to get a decent car-stereo, and no home
recorder.  Or a nice home recorder, and a P.O.S. car stereo, or an OK one
of each for cassette for home and car.  There is no degradation or genuine
wear and tear that you get with cassette, so your MD's last longer than
cassettes.  The MD's won't get eaten by a pissy tape deck, and there is no
wow, flutter, or de magnetization or tape-head cleaning issue.

So yeah, $400 is a good deal, and be sure to get some balnk ones as part
of that deal too.

sef

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On Thu, 21 May 1998, jes wrote:

> 
> kay, may i suggest for the remember.the.magic net meet, perhaps two am by
> the uh, vendor? im assuming thats you, dan.
um...my people not me....i will be up front in the break beat down
productions t-shirt


-dan


> 
> anyhoo, im really bad at making these things, so in the event i space it
> (always a good possibility), look for me, ill be sportin the brown pants
> with rainbows down the sides. gettin dowwn, uh huh.
> 
> =jes
> 


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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Ben Page wrote:

> > Dear random netizen, please get a clue.  There will always be a need
> > for a low-budget rewritable sound reproduction medium.  In this sense,
> > the MD is replacing (hopefully and gradually) the audio cassette.
> 
> Dear random condescending flamer, please stop talking down to people.

Dear Mr. Page,

	I am not talking down to you, or flaming you.  I don't feel the
need.

> The future of MD is debatable.  I think everyone who owns a CD player
> and a home computer will most likely buy a CD-RW, not a minidisk.

I am budgeting for both.  Why is that? Hmmm.....

> Anyone who researches the MD before they buy it should come to the
> conclusion that it will only last another year or two.  That is hardly the
> forseeable future.  Before you flame me for saying that the Minidisk
> isn't going to catch on for consumer use, give it a year or two so you
> can say "I told you so..."

Um, the Mini-Disc already HAS caught on for consumer use.  I believe
Tascam, Denon, Sony, Sharp, Panasonic and Kenwood have all released new MD
products within the last 6 months, and seeing as how MD has been around
from 1993 to this day, SURPASSING that fucking DCC mess, then I would say
no, it is here, and will be here, and you would have to be a total moron
for thinking that it isn't going to be.

> If you go ahead and buy one, then you have to replace the CD player in
> your car with a minidisk player,

A lot of people are thinking WAY ahead of you....

Sony's in dash MD player has controls for the MD, a tuner, and the CD
player.  Are you sure you don't have an AOL account?

> as well as all the Audio appliences in

appliances *yawn*

Devices is a much better word.

> your home.  What is the point in doing that if more music is readily
> available on CD, and the sound quality is hardly different?  Just so you
> can be the first kid on the block to own one?  You'll be the only kid on
> the block to own one.

Look.  HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU!?!?!?!? ARGH!

THE MD IS NOT MEANT TO REPLACE THE CD!
IT IS MEANT TO REPLACE THE ANALOG CASSETTE!
MORE MUSIC IS AVAILABLE FOR CD THAN MD BECAUSE NO ONE EXCEPT AN IDIOT WILL
BUY MUSIC FOR AN MD IF THEY HAVE MORE CD PLAYERS THAN MD PLAYERS!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr............

> >DVD is as useless as tits on a wart hog for anything but playback at this
> >point.  Consumer level DVD-R's are NOT available at this point.  When they
> >DO hit the market two+ years from now, they will make the cost of a new
> >car seem like chump change.
> 
> They are already available...Not for consumer use, but you can purchase
> them.  

Really. ***I*** can?  From where?  Last time I checked, I was a
consumer....  That's all rather contradictory, we'll let you stew on it
for a while.

> They're about as expensive as CD burners were a couple years ago.

I can still buy a CDR for $3,000 if I want to. :)  I am curious about the
DVD Recorders though....
However I feel obligated to mention to anyone foolish enough to read this
this far that AES and SMPTE have NOT agreed to any audio standards for the
DVD format, so buying a recorder now is pretty fucking stupid unless you
want to not do cool sound and stick with the lame-o stereo piddle most
people use now.  Or else, hell, everything could come out 3 db lower than
the current DVD's.

> With the technology trends the way they are, the price will plummet in a
> year or two.  By the year 2000, which would you rather own?  An out of date
> minidisk player or a DVD writer?  Or even a CDRW?

When did CD get in this anyway?  It was a battle between the MD and DVD,
and now there is all this CD whoo-haaa

I would like (Dear Santa):

My SONY 8 track MD recorder (which doesn't yet exist 'officially')
My HP SureStore CDR
And I can't have a DVD-R by the year 2000, so I won't be foolish enough
to ask for it.

> >The year 2000 is the one after this, do the math.  Which will be, hell IS
> >more useful right now? MD.
> 
> Do you really want to replace your audio investment in 2 years??? 

If I want to stay in the Pro-Sound business then you better fucking
believe I will.  Maybe I'll stick with a Dukane tape deck...

Why do you think so linearly?  I want one of EVERY playback and record
media because I am a gear freak.  I won't be replacing DICK, I will be
constantly augmenting the gear I own.  Have I replaced my tape-deck yet?
No....... that would be REALLY FUCKING STUPID!
Have I bought a pre-recorded tape in the past 6 years? NO..... Hmmmm......
But I still use it... how? How does that WORK!?
I swear to god that if I was a dead sheep, and you were a pregnant dolphin
there would be hell to pay!

> Then
> you'll have to replace all your recordings as well as your equipment to keep
> up with technology.  

Blah, blah, blah....

"Hey Larry, let's throw out all these 2-track analogue Beetle's masters,
nobody but us studio guys ever buy reels anymore"

I am not going to start making extra generations of my material just to
have only one playback and record device in my home.  It is a LOT less
expensive, and will sound better in the future, if I keep all my current
playback devices rather than bouncing them all down to whatever format is
the current fancy.

And if I were you, I would seriously consider thinking about your above
sentence, because it makes no sense whatsoever.  Do you still have floppy
disks?  Why?  You have a CD-Rom don't you?

> It's just like all those people who bought beta
> machines, and then had to replace their equipment with VHS.

You really make this easy (if I felt like flaming you).
People bought Beta because it was a superior format (and still is) to VHS.
They cost the exact same as VHS, but good old Capitalist America fucked up
(they've since owned up to it) and flooded the market with VHS crap.  IT
was a 50/50 bet, and we lost.

MD has no rival.  In fact, MD is a creation in its own right.  It's about
12 years older than CD, which was about 12 years older than cassette,
which is what it's replacing.  25(ish) years for one media is quite
enough, don't you think?

> Everyone
> already seems to know that MD is on it's way out, why even bother with
> something when it's future is so bleak???

1.  Name someone that has said in a newspaper or magazine article or on TV
or Radio that said MD is 'on the way out.'

2.  List this mysterious "everyone" that seems to know this.

> Try reel to reel analogue tape.  It has better resolution, and if you are a
> purist, you'd probably appreciate the sound quality even more. 

A purist?  I can buy a $2,000 processor designed and created to
specifically make my digital crap sound like analogue.  What the hell is
up with that?

A purist?  I can go to most opera's, plays, dances, and concerts on this
planet for free.  I think that those sound a hell of a lot better than any
Studer 48 track ever could on any speaker system.  Reel to reel Does NOT
have better resolution than an MD.  For that, it would have to go at about
24ips.  I don't have that much tape.

You are babbling................blabble blabble blabble...

> Is minidisk
> capable of 44.1 or 48 khz or both?  I forgot. 

So did I.

> That means that it will only
> hit frequencies as high as 24khz.  Reel to reel analogue can go as high as
> 35khz and still have a flat frequency response (+-1).

Provided you aren't recording anything, yes it can.  MD's can go beyond
20khz and be flat with most complex music, save (as mentioned before) the
grueling sections of Carmina Burana.

Reel to Reel has this NASTY problem, like all analogue media, of having a
high-headroom.  Which yes, will indeed give you a hotter flatter response
at a higher db (that's what you are talking about), but has also been
known to start setting tape heads on fire.  It's really funny.  Generally
it only happens on guitar tracks...but still, it's funny.

> Yes, you can hear
> notes that high. 

Yes and no.  You can hear them, your brain just filters out everything
beyond 17khz because no human voice is that high, and no nuances or
sibilance of the human voice go higher than that.  You also really can't
hear lower than 30(ish)hz or so.  Your ears and body can feel MUCH lower
than that, but it don't mean a damn thing.  Also, on a side not, nobody's
quite yet been able to replicate anything above 27khz in commercially
available systems, so I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you.
Hell, most speakers and headphones are only rated to 20khz anyway, so it
really is a useless point to argue about.

> There are overtones that need to be filtered out when you
> are recording digital, otherwise they still end up in the bit stream, only
> they will end up as bass notes rather than extreme trebel.  

Smokin' weed, smokin' dope, smokin' dis,' smokin dat,'

Too bad they are filitered out predominately because they are wasted space
because no one can hear them, the bass thing is an after thought accident
that happens all across the digital realm, not just MDs.

Really, honestly, all acoustics need all frequencies from about 5hz to
close to 50khz to maintain a pure and uncolored signal.  Some people make
a LOT of cash on this too, but that is neither here nor there in this
arguement.  What is important to note here is that once the full-range
sound is RECORDERED, it's audible nuances are ALSO recorded, and it is not
necessary to have full range bup-kiss ever again after that.  So yeah,
analogoue reel may be able to retain more of those nuances, but I sure as
hell ain't lugging a 5050 around with me, and I shure as shootin' don't
have the scoots for a Nagra, so suck it up and deal folks.

> Digital is just
> fucked up like that.  

Agreed, to an extent.

> So you have to have low pass filters to get rid of all
> the overtones.  

No, you don't.  You need a calculator.  Don't confuse filters and
algorhythms.

> With analogue you keep the pure sound as well as the
> overtones. 

Not by the second generation: tape noise (it'll always be there).  The
second you play it back you lose it all as it passes over the residual
magnetism on the erase head and playback head.  Sorry. :(

> Give me a reel to reel tape player and a cassette deck for the
> road anyday over an MD.

Sure.  That's your choice (as uneducated as it is).  But you also need to
swear not to have a CD player, CDR, CD-RW, DVD player, DVD recorder, DCC,
ADAT, ADATXT, DAT, DA-88, VHS, BETA, BETA2, CART, 8Track, Digital R2R,
SL1200, HD recording systems or playback systems, in fact ANYTHING BUT the
Reel, which means no tape deck either because THAT is inferior to the
reel.  We can't have you losing any overtones, can we?

Oh, and you can't retain those overtones except at speeds greater than the
highest reel standard of 15ips.  Have fun doing THAT mod.  That analogue
cassette has the worst resolution (other than the cart) of anything we
talked about, so I would say your best bet is to put the reel in your car
and skip the cassette.  And that reel to "catch" those nuances needs to
move at greater than 15ips, but it also needs an inch or so for each
channel (this gives you a half inch separation between the left and right
tracks).  And remember, you can't play BACK that reel or keep it on a
shelf for more than a week because you'll lose the extreme end of your
overtones... and it has to be kept within 55(ish) and 70(ish) degrees
fahrenheit too, or else your reel will, besides losing overtones, start to
degrade.  In fact, within 15 years your reel will sound no different than
a record left on the garage floor at a Jiffy Lube for a day. And that gets
exponentially worse every time you play it back too. 
Hmmm, or you know you can just buy an MD with a shelf life of 60 years....
Nah, it's not GOOD enough for you...

> >DVD doesn't even posses a standard audio format yet,
> 
> 5.1 (US and Japan) and 7.1 (Europe).  The 7.1 audio will still playback on
> all the 5.1 machines.  I'd prefer to wait for car dvd players to come out so
> that I can listen to theatre quality sound in my car, rather than 2 channel
> MD crap.  Surround sound for the road sounds awefully appealing.  That is in
> the forseeable future.  Why buy a MD player if the technology will be
> outdated in 2 years, or less?  I'd sooner hold off on buying anything that
> expensive until a more certain format comes out.

"Bob, I'm going deep, but I think I can catch it!  Grr, ...ugh.  I got it!
It came straight outta his ass but I caught it!"

5.1 and 7.1 are surround format codings.  They have very little to do with
audio encoding or playback algorhythms.

A cinema quality car stereo?  Noisefloor much?  Not likely kiddo, not at
ALL.

And um, stereo IS surround.  With two channels you can pan an image 360
degrees around to either side, and most of the way above or below.

Why buy a DVD player if the technology is ALREADY out dated (not to say
the MD isn't either).  If you keep waiting for the 'perfect' audio
playback media, you are going to be more lonely than me as the only kid on
the block with an MD.  And uh, hate to break it to you, but MD IS cheaper
than DVD, and always will be.  Why?  It has a jump start of 5 years on it,
has fallen half of it's original cost already, and DVD doesn't even have a
recorder out yet that I can buy for under the cost of the absolute most
expensive MDR on the planet (I think it's the Tascam one).

> > much less any chance for writeable or RE-writeable DVD drives
> >in the next 2 years, probably 4.  And for a DVD-R or RW to get into most
> >homes in America will take at least another 5 years on that, putting you
> >at close to a decade for it to be truely mainstream enough to replace the
> >regular CDR we use now.
> 
> Ok, you got me on the RE-writeable point.  But why buy MD if your computer's
> Rom player is capable of doing that with CDs?

Because MD's don't skip.
Because I have better things to do with my freetime than record .wav's and
then burn CD's.
Because CDcopy'ing really is illegal, unless it's your material, in which
case what you are burning ain't for you anyway.
Because I never, ever, have the chance to get the actual disc part of a MD
dirty, unless I dip it in pudding. Unlike CD's, which I touch with my
grubby hands, and get scratched on CD trays (among other things), all
the time.
Because I don't feel like installing a CD player in my car, and don't feel
like buying a portable CD player AS WELL AS a CDR device.
Because I can get a portable MD recorder for less than $200 (apparently),
and that's IT beyond 10 or so discs that I need to record and playback
anything I want, wherever I want.
Because I don't WANT error rates when I record.
Because my pockets aren't big enough for CD's.
Because I don't want my tape deck anymore.

> What benefits does MD give
> you over that?

Why get a CDR when your hard drive can do the same thing so much faster?
What goofy questions we come up with....

The list of 'benefits' is above.

> There are too many reasons to buy a CD player, such as being
> able to buy any title from any manufacturer in stores.  

And if el-nimrod was paying attention, I never said you SHOULDN'T buy a CD
player.  The debate is between MD and DVD, try not to forget that.  And
even without a CD player, record player, or MD, you can STILL buy whatever
you want in a record store, there just isn't as much point to it without
anything to play it on.

Let me say this AGAIN.  MD replace cassette.  MD not replace or compete
with CD.  Different market, different idea.

> For MD, you can only
> buy Sony titles.  

And whatever YOU put on them.....

> For most ravers, that's about as useless as a membership
> to BMG or Columbia House.  

What the FUCK!?  Where did THAT come from?  If you take away my Vivaldi or
Bizet, I will take away more than your liver.  Do you honestly think
ravers only listen to "Rave" music?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, and I remember a point in time not so long ago when a LOT of
people never even thought their 'rave' music would get put ON CD.

> I'd rather have a CD RW anyday.  That is a cheap
> method of rewritable data that is immediately available.

No.  You are confused with CDR.  CDRW discs are NOT cheap, and won't play
back in most portable, home, or car CD players.  CDR and CDRW drives are
NOT cheaper than an MD recorder.

But you are entitled to have one.  I'd prefer both, or all three depending
on what you said.  And DVD is WHERE in your dialogue now?

> >For playback, YES, it kicks all holy ass over the MD, sorta.  YOU cannot
> >build your own DVD's now (in a generalized sense), but you CAN get 8-track
> >MDR's with compression algorhythms BETTER than standard audio CDs.
> 
> Ok, now we're talking about professional uses. 

You're right.

You cannot build your own DVD's now (in a generalized sense), but you can
get 2-track MDR's with compression algorhythms better than standard audio
CDs.

> If you are going to buy a
> Digital Audio Workstation, get one that records onto 2 gig Jazz.  

Why?  Jazz drives are now notoriously unreliable.  But this isn't what we
were talking about.....

BTW, the common thing to do now is simply buy another hard drive, and
bounce down to DAT.

> That holds
> far more information than minidisk, with better sound quality, and easier
> editing.  Bounce down to CDRW, and you're set.  What professional mastering
> house is going to support your 8 track MD?

Who supports CDRW?  Who supports Jazz disks? (you need a drive, I don't
care about whether or not it's an aiff or wav)  Who uses a mastering house
that doesn't send them material on an ADAT or DA-88 or DAT?

CDRW is NOT easier.  You still have to start over from where you change
something, and it isn't random access like the MD or HD systems available.

> The Jaz disks are certainly more expensive, but you are getting what you pay
> for, and they are accepted by SPARS (the society of professional audio
> recorders) as a means to store digital audio.  MD isn't.

SPARS can suck my wad.  I go by AES and SMPTE, and they have NOT approved
Jazz, MD, or CDRW, and probably not even MO yet.  Is SPARS a Canadian
thing?  I've never heard of them, and I've heard of EARS.

> >Yes the data is crunched, and no it isn't perfect as far as quality is
> >concerned, but god-damn it they sound NICE, and from someone that has
> >heard DVD and MD, there ain't all that much difference.
> 
> What about the 5.1 and 7.1 channels of sound?  Minidisk only offers 2.  That
> sounds like a pretty damn big difference to me.  

1. MD can hold (currently) 8 channels, though not for very long
2. Surround channels is nothing more than a pissing contest.  QUALITY is
the issue here, and I can't record ANYTHING on DVD at this point, so who
cares?

> For anyone reading this who
> doesn't understand, 5.1 means Left, Right, Center, Rear-Left, Rear-Right,
> and the .1 is for subwoofer.  The 7.1 means that you have 2 additional
> speakers for the front Left and Right.  I think anyone who listened to a 5.1
> channel DVD setup vs a 2 channel MD setup would hear a difference
> immediately.

Not through headphones.  THe MD would sound better.  :)
And yes, this makes THX only a 4.1 system.

> >As far as size is concerned, DUH! Of course DVD is 'better' in that it CAN
> >hold up to 18g (if anyone ever bothers), but the MD can hold 74 minutes of
> >stereo sound, cost is dirt-cheap, and you can get a portable
> >player/recorder and MD players for your car.....
> 
> Was that "DUH!" really necessary?  You sound educated enough to hold a
> conversation with an adult.  

Too bad I'm not.  *Bwahahahahaha!*

> If you want other people to respect you, try
> respecting other people.  

And I do.  I am replying and conversing with you, rather than deleting and
ignoring you,  Which would YOU prefer?

> The reason the cost of MD is dirt cheap at this
> point is because they are worth dirt.  

And the reason why CD's and DVD cost so much is because they are over
priced.

Tell me, why did 25 USA Sound designers all agree that MD was the best
option in an in-person dialogue with me when presented with the options of
a CDR, Hard Drive Recorder, or MD?

That's kind of cheating I know, but suck it up and deal.  You are
after all, an adult by your own classification.

And if we are talking about dirt, I'll take 1000 square feet in
lower Manhattan, which, according to you, is worthless.

> In audio as with life, you tend to
> get what you pay for.

How much is a portable tape recorder?
$30?-$2,000?
How much is a portable MD recorder?
$200?-$2,000?
How much is a portable CDR?
$1,400?(Presuming a lap-top that cheap can handle one)-$3,000?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, let's think about THAT one before we dig a grave for
ourselves (can't have anything worth 'dirt' lying around now can we?).

> I doubt you like classical music

Dear Mr. Page,

Please stop making foolish presumptions like that.  You do not know me,
and with the way you make friends, you probably never will.
I actually do not 'like' classical music as much as I do Impressionism or
Romantic era music, but by your generalization I would say that I FUCKING
LOVE 'classical' music.  Handel and I share the same birthday.  I own 2
copies (by different orchestras/choirs) of Carmina Burana.  I have just
about every Vivaldi string concerto ever written, as well as most Bach
organ concertos.  If you took away my complete 'Carmen' on 45 (as stated
earlier) I would be livid, and I own tons of Mahler and Mozart, and Handel
and others to boot.

I also have a great appreciation of John Cage, Phillip Glass, Stravinsky,
Ives, Varese, Copland, Berstein, Gershwin, and all those others that don't
'fit' into classical by any definition.

Hell you don't even know what my favorite form of 'techno' or 'rave' music
is.  Take a stab at it if you want.

I believe Erinaceous and a couple others here know....

> but imagine having every symphony by the
> composer of your choice on a single disc, rather than a stack of them.  I
> definitely think people will want to take advantage of the DVDs size not
> just for video, but for audio storage & playback as well.  Hell, I'd love to
> have the complete works of Dj Hyperactive on a single disc.  That is already
> possible with DVD.  It's just expensive as hell.  But the price will drop.
> Anyone considering in investing in a new piece of gear should seriously
> consider how soon the MD will be obsolete.

Definitely, I totally agree with you one-hundred percent.  However, by the
time those releases come out it will be no earlier than (by random
projections) 2010.  Shit.

> >They aren't the same thing at ALL.  It's like comparing a dead rhinocerous
> >carcass to Robin Leech's hair, they are both related, but they have
> >totally different purposes and were created with totally different
> >intents.
> 
> Ok, you do get a couple flame points for that.  That was funny.

We try. :)

> A nice thing about DVDs that is worth considering is that they are backwards
> compatable with CDs and LaserDisk.  But they won't play your MDs.  At this
> point, do you really want to record all your music on MD?  

No.  Just what I mix together or write.

> Because you
> aren't going to be able to play them back on a DVD player, but you would be
> able to if you had been burning CDs.

Then I guess I'll just keep the MONSTER of an MD player....

> >DVD's are for movies and large-file storage.  MD's are for
> >regular people like us that want something better than cassette, without
> >the hassel of CD's, to put music on.
> 
> CD's are a hassle?  Imagine how hard it will be to find blank MDs in the
> next few years.  No one will have them in stock, and they will be just as
> obsolete as Beta.  Whereas CDs aren't going anywhere for a long time.

Um, I can buy beta tapes.

Who are these 'No one's' you keep finding?

CD's are a hassle to record through your computer using any process other
than CD'copying.  And no matter what you do that ISN'T that, unless you
have a Digital (SP/DIF or AES/EBU or Toslink) soundcard, it has to go
through an DA/AD conversion anyway.  Why do that when I can go straight to
MD?  (Yet again the stand-alone CDR thing arises...)

> DVDs will be used for exclusive audio storage.  

So are Beta tapes, reels, audio cassette, VHS cassettes, CD's, MD's,
Digital reels, MDMT's, Hard drives,....

What's your point?

> Think of all the people who
> own multiple disk changers.

Seth closes his eyes, and firmly envisions the entire populace of the
planet that owns a CD changer in his head....

> Rather than carry around 5 disc cartridges (or
> your 100 disc machine), you could carry around a single DVD.

Actually the 200 disc is more common (had to get THAT in...)

Problem.  Uh, that 300 hours or so of music has to be put on that DVD at
some point in the order and indexing that you want, they don't sell "Ben's
Music, JUST FOR BEN PAGE" at Sam Goody.  I don't believe I have 12
staright days with no sleep free any time soon....

Yes, your collection of Vivaldi and Beethoven and what nots WILL be done
like that, but what if I don't like the orchestra or recording 'feel'?
Gonna have to get ANOTHER one.

>  Sounds pretty
> nice to me, and I'm sure that sounds appealing to other people as well.  I
> wouldn't say that DVDs are for movies and large-file storage only...And I

I wouldn't, and didn't, say that either.  I said DVD's are for movie and
large file storage.  YOu can use them however you want beyond that, I
could care less.  But the fact remains that in today's market, that's what
the fucking things are used for.

> definitely wouldn't say that MDs are the wave of the future.

Neither would I.  They're already here.

sef

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        Forget your CD,MD,DVD,records and tapes.  I found that the best way 
     to record music is on clay tablets.  NO kidding!  They're cheap easy 
     to make, and to erase your data, all you have to do is leave it out in 
     the rain!  Plus, you can use any stick as a stylus.
     
     E
     
     
        ( I see a MD versus CD brawl happening at Further.  Perhaps we 
     could have it after the skinny pant versus phat pant clash.  Wait a 
     minute, I see a correlation forming here, maybe those who wear skinny 
     pants like MD, and those who wear phat pants like CD?  Anyone want to 
     take a stab at this?)
     
     
        I'm just kidding for those with no sense of humor, give me a break, 
     it's 6:30 in the morning.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 22 12:40:39 1998
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>And I doubt that you can get a decent system for $1,000 that records
>CDR's, has a modem worth a damn, has Photoshop, Pagemaker, a scanner,
>color dye-sublimation printer (that's what you need for REAL desktop
>publishing... ;) ), Doom2, a joystick worth a damn, a decent monitor and

You don't need a dye-sub printer at all.  Aside from the obvious fact that
in "REAL" desktop publishing, your home printer will only be used for
proofs before going to press, there are much cheaper and equally acceptable
choices now.  The color laser printers out there are good enough for almost
any job, and color inkjets aren't far behind. A dye-sub printer costs $2-3
per page to print.  Not very useful for anything more than single-page
printing.  And you can just go to kinko's and print on theirs instead of
having to by such an expensive piece of equipment.

>FYI, my plans are to get a CDR (a nice HP), and a UFW SCSI card once I get
>a 'real job.'  My plans ALSO include a Sony MDM-X4 because I love that
>fucking thing, and it's four tracks without all that annoying computer
>shit, and I don't have to worry about HD space or anything.  Oh, and I am
>also going to get a Zip drive that works with my comuter, and then a REAL
>backup medium, like that DVD burner..... *ha*

I found a place that sells a dvd-rom burner.  $16,995 is all they cost.  go
buy one, folks!

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Okay. Of Seth's incredible outpouring this morning which he *finished* at
5:30am, CST, there is in fact one really good line.

<I swear to god that if I was a dead sheep, and you were a pregnant
dolphin there would be hell to pay!>

Yes, I'll buy the meaning of THAT for a dollar. 

I'll also buy the meaning of WHY people decide that it's neccessary to
share nearly 30K of their thoughts with the rest of us. I predict Seth's
mailbox will crash from the angry, well-thought out replies from the
mw-raves-digest population. 

Spreading the crack,
andrew
[now *leaving* for chicago]



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Well.

I went. I saw. I heard. And guess what people, I had fun. The music wasn't as
good as lasts years (my personal opinion), but good none the less. Now while
there were many bar going patrons, the dancefloor was quite packed those who
were ready to brockout (including one Matt Massive...."ROCK N ROLL!!!"). Some
were drunk and some were sober. The thing is that everybody on the dancefloor
was either moving or at the very least boopin' thier heads. 

I'm not one to go to bars or clubs, but somehow Brockout 101 had something I
feel lacking at events, vibes. It was a good vibe on the night. After the evnt
I asked myself, why was this so much fun? I came up with a few answers, maybe
you out there can correct me if I'm wrong. 

The night was fun because the average age was 21. 

The main objective of the night was to hear good music and "brockout". Not to
find the hip clique, get fucked up, compare outfits, or do x-amount of tweak
chemical...

Phil

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okay here is some info on John Kelly's new mix cd it is not FDB seris.

John Kelly
"Knee Deep"

1 Peace Division 	"Tribal Phunk"
2 The Mad Wheel  	"Sprit Catcher"
3 Melrob         	"Incessant Sound"
4 Jan Driver		"Filter"
5 X-Cabs		"Engage"
6 Uberzone		"The Freaks"
7 John Kelly & DT Swendeman    "B-Line"
8 CJ Bolland		"Horsepower"
9 Brownie		"Fly Mutha Beatz"
10 Jack Mackrel		"Drum Tumbler"
11 Urban D.K.		"Soul Survivor"
12 DJ Icey		"As If"
13 Rabid Punk		"Freewheelin' Franklin"
14 Make Some Break Some	 	"The Vision"
15 Sven Vath		"Breakthrough"

This still has the desert vibe to it that the others had
but its all by itself. It is more funky and breaky.
and there is also scratching nothing too fancy but a 
nice touch. overall its pretty good nice to listen to 
but be warned it will get you moving (this depends on 
personal preferances. please do not flame me)


this should have been out in stores 2 days ago.

hope this helps

AC



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Well, I for one have really enjoyed the whole MD vs CD-R vs DVD debate and
now i'm pretty convinced I wanna get a MD. I saw them at our Sony Outlet
here for pretty cheap too...the portable recorders were around $180 (as
mentioned) and the set (home recorder, portable player) was around $400.
Pretty good deal if you ask me. 


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contact me for tapes or booking info	:: vmb: 512.703.8901


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I think what most of you are failing to realize is that the primary
market for most of these consumer electronics companies is not the US.
It really doesn't matter what American buyers want to these guys, it
matters what Japanese buyers want.  That is where their R&D is focused.
You want to see what will be in US stores in 2000, look at what was in
Japanese stores last year.  Even if MiniDiscs never catch on here, I
seriously doubt they will disappear, because they have certainly caught
on in Japan.

	-Chris Wundram

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>Okay Guys!!  Whats up?  Im Dana and I live in Indy.  Not much of a 
>rave scene
>down here but I figured a good place to start looking for new rave 
>friends was
>on the net!  Basic introduction:  Just wanna jump up and shout hey to 
>all the
>soon to be raver friends!  I am looking forward to Brockout!101 and
>deffinately meeting all of you at one poitn or another!  If you guys 
>here
>anything about and Indy rave pass it on to me!  Thanks guys!!  Keep >it 
real!!!


>Much love,
>Dana

DANA, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU.  ARE YOU JUST SOME STUPID CANDY 
RAVER THAT THINKS THIS IS A LIST THAT TALKS ABOUT YOUR FAV. ACID OR 
MDMA?  WHAT'S THE DEAL?  AND I DON'T THINK I'D EVER SPEAK TO YOU BECAUSE 
YOU MISSPELLED HEAR "here", NOT TO MENTION ALL OF THE OTHER GRAMMATICAL 
ERRORS!!!!

of course I am merely jesting, my friend.  I on behalf of the other 
mw-ravers would like to say HI to Dana and any other new addition to the 
list.  Just a warning:  be careful, sometimes, under certain 
circumstances, people tend to be meanies and flame the hell out of each 
other for little inconsistencies or differences in lingo, or anything 
else you can be ripped on about.

peace and love
Jesse

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PHILFART wrote:
> 
> Well.
> 
> I went. I saw. I heard. And guess what people, I had fun. The music wasn't as
> good as lasts years (my personal opinion), but good none the less. Now while
> there were many bar going patrons, the dancefloor was quite packed those who
> were ready to brockout (including one Matt Massive...."ROCK N ROLL!!!"). Some
> were drunk and some were sober. The thing is that everybody on the dancefloor
> was either moving or at the very least boopin' thier heads.
> 
> I'm not one to go to bars or clubs, but somehow Brockout 101 had something I
> feel lacking at events, vibes. It was a good vibe on the night. After the evnt
> I asked myself, why was this so much fun? I came up with a few answers, maybe
> you out there can correct me if I'm wrong.
> 
> The night was fun because the average age was 21.
> 
> The main objective of the night was to hear good music and "brockout". Not to
> find the hip clique, get fucked up, compare outfits, or do x-amount of tweak
> chemical...
> 
> Phil



Exactly.




b bEAN

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PHUNGUS presents:
another installment of all night drum and bass MAYhem.

AMAZON 06
May 22.1998
International Ballroom. Atlanta, GA.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Featured turntable talent:

DOC SCOTT & MC JUSTIYC 3-4:30
[Metalheadz I 31 Records, UK]

DJ LEE 4:30-6
[Timeless I Metalheadz, UK]

Metalheadz main man,DJ/ producer extraordinaire. Doc Scott is widely
respected as a man of many talents. He's responsible for pioneering tracks
such as "Here Come The Drumz" and "Shadowboxing" (under his guise 'Nasty
Habits') and continues to be on the forefront of drum and bass today.
For this first Atlanta date, he's pairing up with MC Justiyc and fellow
Metalheadz camp member DJ Lee to recreate the vibe of the famous Blue Note
Sunday sessions.

Stellar supporting cast>>

DANIEL 2-3
[Hypersonic, Greensboro]

MK2 1-2
[M.A.D.Base, Nashville]

BOBBLE *special early morning set 6-?????
[20 Hz Cartel, Rewind Records, Atlanta]

BIRDMAN 10-11
[Satellite Records, Xylophone Jones, Rydim Ryderz, Atlanta]

duda 12-1
[Playtheavy Kru, 20 Hz Cartel, Phungus, Athens]

D:RC 11-12
[Phungus, Playtheavy Kru, Athens]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$15 before midnight I $20 after
All ages I bring your ID
Doors open @ 10pm.

Directions>>
International Ballroom Atlanta
Take I-85, I-75, to I-285, to Buford Highway
(exit 25) turn north, I'Ball is 1.5 miles on the left @
corner of New Peachtree and Buford Highway.

Info line>>
706.546.9447

Promoters I VIP's etc>>.Guest list requests must be submitted by May 16th.
There will be no exceptions.


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     This Sunday May 24th.
     
     Sequence is bringing you...
     
     
                                FAMILY BUSINESS
     
     
     A very special night of music with the top selectors and mc's in 
     chicago drum and bass. witness the infrastructure... with all musical 
     bases covered, from jump up, to tech, to intellect.
     
        with your DJ's
     
     
                Phantom 45
     
                DJ 3D
        
                Snuggles
     
                Casper
     
                Danny the Wildchild
     
                Ry-N
     
     
       and your favourite MC's
     
     
                Blackeye
     
                Kid Entropy
     
                Sub zero
     
     
     this will be touching down at the club Thurstons, in Chicago.
     ring up the sequence number for full details and directions:           
                                
                                847-622-3844
     
     full bar on the site so have proof of 21+...this will only be 5$, and 
     happens to be the night before memorial day, so you know we will be 
     runnin with no prospects of school or work the next day.arrive early 
     to ensure entry.



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remote.
june 6th. 98.
windsor. ontario.

Terry Francis (Pagan Records, UK)
According to the press, Terry is the "best new dj"(muzik magazine) and
one of the "Heroes in 1997"(mixmag uk). Judge for yourself, in his first
area appearance, whether or not this ambassador of the tech-house sound
is the "world's best new DJ."

Dan "dbx" Bell (Accelerate Records, Detroit)
No introduction needed. One of detroit's best DJ's in a rare
windsor/detroit appearance.

Terry Mullen (Catalyst Records, Chicago)
Chicago's leader in the acid-house sound and always a crowd favorite
comes back to windsor to jack the house once again.

Reggie Curry (Some Records, Detroit)
Definitely a detroit up and comer who will definitely move the crowd
with his house groove.

Advance Tickets @ Rotate(windsor) & Recordtime(roseville) for
$15US/$20CDN. Tickets will be more at the door.

Info: 519.254.2299  & www.rot8.com




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On Wed, 20 May 1998, DEEJAY3D wrote:

> vibeonauts shorted a bunch of dj's this past weekend ( at least 6 including
> myself that i know of for sure ) 50 dollars from the price they had originally
> agreed upon. 
> 
> they say he had 2000-2500 people at the event.
> 
> that equals about 30,000 dollars to play with after the space took it's cut. 
> 
> disrespectfull or what?

This is beyond simply disrespectful.  Anyone who would go to one of their 
parties after knowing this would be one damned hypocrite.  Also, I'm sure 
the IRS would be highly interested in $30k of non-taxed income.  Dig?  
And don't give some lame excuse about supporting people in the scene.  
People who pull bullshit like this deserve whatever comes their way.



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
http://barkingcat.org		|	- William of Occam (c1285-1349)


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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Jesse Settle wrote:

> i have 2 questions for furthur
> 
> 1)will there be a mw-raves camp

Yes, Melissa and I will be arriving mid-afternoo on Friday.  Look for our 
16' wide, white dome tent.  This will be tent city.

> 2)will there be showers around the clean bathrooms

Showers?  We dohn need noh steenkin showers, it's Furthur!



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at least i didnt have to pay.....

jackiE

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At 11:45 AM 5/22/98, Steven J. White wrote:

>This is beyond simply disrespectful.  Anyone who would go to one of their 
>parties after knowing this would be one damned hypocrite.  Also, I'm sure 
>the IRS would be highly interested in $30k of non-taxed income.  Dig?  
>And don't give some lame excuse about supporting people in the scene.  
>People who pull bullshit like this deserve whatever comes their way.

um...werd


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uh, yeah, i'll second all that stuff phil said, but there's more.

this was one of the best events in chicago i've attended in a while,
perhaps because the entire emphasis lay upon the awesomeness of the music
and having fun. one fine opportunity to freaque out. lighters, whistles,
horns, hands in the air. i have an indentation on my lower lip from my
whistle; must've been an amazing time. sometimes, all i wanted to do was
scream, it was just that good.

i was groovin the second we arrived; it kept getting more and more
crowded, but no one minded, everyone was jumpin. altho, there was one bit
o hektikness: as the chaos was building beautifully, this one girl was
more than wasted and treating it like a pearl jam concert, trying to start
a mosh pit or sumthin, to jellybean. mike (whos birthday was yesterday as
well) made his unhappiness about the space issue known to her. she got all
up in his face, he didn't back down, and she jumped him. what tha fok?!?
it was kinda humorous, watching this brawl, specially when her, ah,
companion got in the mix; they all eventually took it outside. 

this caused me more than an adrenmaline rush. i was next to them, saw it
escalating, tried to pull them away from each other, but didn't try that
hard. this bothers me, that i didn't do much to calm things, but 
i was kinda in shock watching it all. i found it especially fitting that
snuggles closed the night with _music is the key_ one of my fave tracks,
cause we all could use some healing, and last night was definatley some
kind of strange catharsis. the evening went so well because (most of) the
attitudes were checked at the door.

besides the brawl, which almost seemed to fit with everything else, my
only gripe is that i didn't get to hear "fire." but i don't want to lodge
any complaints against last night (, well, someone did spill beer *ick*
all over my yellow vest--but that's what washers are for). the evening was
all about the music, which was almost perfect; the vybe was an offshoot of
the enjoyment of the toonz. couldn't wipe that grin off my face all night,
cept to whistle or scream. brock on!

=jes


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On Fri, 22 May 1998 05:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Runs with scissors
<sm3915@acs.brockport.edu> writes:

>Because I never, ever, have the chance to get the actual disc part of 
>a MD dirty, unless I dip it in pudding. Unlike CD's, which I touch with
my
>grubby hands, and get scratched on CD trays (among other things), all
>the time.

You can have CDs resurfaced if they are scratched or dirty and it makes
them as good as new.  However if it is scratched through the foil,
nothing can be done to save it.  This is a moot point, considering that a
MiniDisc will never get damaged unless you abuse it, but I thought I'd
drop in that little tidbit for those who were unaware that it is possible
to repair a scratched CD.  [BTW, you can have it done at my work - Disc
Go Round - 414-273-0736 <-- shameless plug]

>Because I can get a portable MD recorder for less than $200 
>(apparently),

And, one more thing on the cheap portable MiniDisc - that price of $180
was told to me by a friend who bought one. I haven't seen the price tag
with my own eyes, so I can't confirm it 100%.  It was a refurbished unit,
which was bought at a Sony Outlet store.  So don't expect to walk in to
your local Best Buy or Circuit City and find them for those prices, but
they have come down to a reasonable cost, and I'm sure will only get
better.

	Joe
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From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
To: James Martin <theworm@evansville.net>
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On Thu, 21 May 1998, James Martin wrote:

As a long time resident of Cincinnati and a long time partygoer, I thought
that I should pipe up with my opinion on my hometown and it's "wonderfull"
reputation as a party city.

There are quite a FEW resons why I don't go to parties in Cincinnati
anymore... It seems that what people have to say about Step Into a World
just confirms my beliefs.

> >after having gone to cincy for step into a world i have decided the
> following:
> >1) stay away from cincy

good plan. I stay away from the scene around here myself... It seems
sometimes that the only fun thing I do is throw "building" parties in my
apartment complex since we have about 6 ravers living in my building...
Either that or go to Elevation on Thursday nights. None of us go to the
parties anymore... We've learned our lessons over time. 

> >2) never go to another party thrown by the promoters of step into a world.

I guess Wilhelm K got run out of Indianapolis, huh? I can say that I've
been very lucky to not have been a part of ANYTHING he's ever done. I do
what I think EVERYONE should do, and that's: I don't support people who
don't deserve my hard earned money! Wilhelm K has consistently ripped
people off, and you think that people would learn that it's not worth
wasting your money and keeping his sorry ass in business just for the sake
of going to a party on the weekend! THROW YOUR OWN HOUSE/BUILDING PARTY
INSTEAD WITH YOUR FRIENDS! You'll have a SHITLOAD more fun than paying $25
to get ripped off and shut down early!

> Nah Cincy is cool..as long as Wilhelm isn't throwin his parties..All I got
> to say is fuck him..Step Into A Shithole sucked..

Cincy is NOT cool! I'm sorry, but I live here and have seen what's it's
been like when it was KIND OF cool... Ever since the days of Thome Tomato,
Cincinnati has had a shitty (and well deserved for the most part)
reputation... Why?

AS a PARTY CITY (where the parties cost $$):

Because the parties get shut down early, the vibe usually is non-existant,
and the price is WAY TOO inflated for local/midwest only dj's. The variety
of music found at parties here really isn't distinguishible either. The
promoters here (for the most part, I will conclude with the good things
about Cincinnati) aren't in it for the scene, but the money. Prime
example, Bob-a-dob... Does ANYONE really like him? Especially when he's
drunk? Come on, get real? That's why we Cincinnatians usually travel to
other places. (at least, that's why _I_ travel)

The only record store here is overpriced. (again, Bob-a-dob) That's why we
mail order most of our stuff. You can get it CHEAPER than with Bob. Not to
mention, a lot of his selection is OLD OLD OLD... Another reason to go to
mail order... the only problem is that you can't listen to the records
beforehand. But then again, when does Bob always have what you want to
listen to in?

There are a lot more reasons why I think Cincinnati has a well deserved
bad reputation...

BUT... THERE ARE GOOD THINGS ABOUT CINCINNATI as a party city...

1. The free party in the Guild House basement in Over the Rhine (93 or 94)
on a Thursday night. AWESOME music, hot sweaty dancing bodies, lots of
friends and smiles... (note, it was FREE)

2. I think that some crew, with the well earned good reputation need some
recognition: CBS (though they can be pricey), Calico (for what they've
done in Oxford and Level 1), and the newest group of guys Life 4?
Productions out of Middletown... They have their hearts in the right
place, and that's with their continued growth and interest in the music
and the people of our scene. Not with the profit.

3. Looney T-Birds in Oxford, Ohio. Ask for Jim. He's got a KICKASS
selection of our music hiding in the backroom and will special order
anything you want. Not to mention the prices are a TON TON TON better than
Clubhead.... Whenever I go in there I could EASILY spend $500...

4. The house parties! We thrown some of the BEST BEST BEST house parties
around! 

5. The ANNUAL NETRAVER KINGS ISLAND TRIP *plug plug* We always have a
blast!!! and I'm going to announce the date for THIS YEAR'S trip sometime
next week. SO... EMAIL ME PRIVATELY IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO IF YOU'RE
INTERESTED IN GOING. It will be on a weekend, with a possible party to
follow at our place...

I think it's the small things that are done here that are worth travelling
to Cincinnati for. NOT the big parties, like Step Into and World... So
avoid Cincinnati for the big stuff, but come visit for the small,
intimate and almost FREE things!
 
That's my $.25

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

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i know this is late notice but we can't get to the House
Therapy 2 party tomorrow.  We live right in the twin cities and could meet
you somewhere if youre comin from out of town.  pleeze let me know if you
can hook us up.
lotsa thanx! laskue and skeough


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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Panked wrote:

As someone who used to know Dave pretty well when he lived in Indy, I can
guess that more than likely he will be in Chicago. This just goes to
emphasize my points made about Cincinnati, my "wonderful" hometown. =P

> thats why u have them sign a contract
> i think he will be in chicago.............

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

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saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

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>writing a full 74 minute audio CD takes approximately 1 hour...which
>includes the initial "test" run..(pretend burn)...so the CD-R is
>configured correctly....and the actual burn (itself takes 30 minutes)  at
>2X speed (which is the standard now)..

you don't really need to even do a test run after you done it once. all it
does is make sure your buffer will be able to keep up with the CD-R... which
it always will unless you are trying to defragment your drive at the same
time or something :)

>dont buy TDK writable disks...why?  THEY SUCK.   go for kodak or
>Maxwell....in the long run they will last longer and give better
>quality....    if you have a chance ....check out the nifty Kodak ones....
>they are a clear-green color..and when you burn them they turn into gold
>=)    (about 75% opaque after burning...tilting allows light to come
>through)

i think the Verbatims are the best. they have a neat-o blue bottom, are
compatible with every audio CD player i've used them in (some cheap cd's
don't work good in audio cd players, especially car cd players). and the
cost is about $1.50 each. the TDK discs i have are really good to. they can
be recorded onto upto 6x speed (if you have a drive that fast), and are
reliable.

>another thing..dont get pissy if a burn doesnt work....EXPECT IT to happen
>at least once every 10 burns.....its the norm  (i burn cds for the company
>i work for)


1 out of 10?!? wow, that seems really high to me. i've never screwed a burn
unless a) the power goes out or b) something else i have running crashes
windows. i've burned well over 500 cd's :)



another note to everyone: don't buy an IDE burner, save up a few more bucks
and go for a SCSI, they're much more reliable. CD-RW discs don't work in
anything besides CD-RW drives, so unless you specifically need that, don't
buy it. besides, cd-rw discs are about $20 while CD-R discs are about
$1.50 - $2.00.



[orbital] @ #mp3rave - efnet


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Did you know that a stereo signal whether it be on CD, CD-Rom,
DAT, analog tape, mini-disc, DVD, vinyl or from Uranus (not
to mention quadraphonic and Dolby sorround sound) attempts to
communicate by presenting two different perspectives
at the same time much the same as the cubist painters (reads
Picasso putting two noses on one face) did and the
action is happening in the interval between the two like the
way that the illusion of movement in a motion picture is the
result of the spaces between the frames and the way that
black being a total absence of color signals an interval
between colors much the same as the spaces between the beats
are just as important as the beats?

Does anybody else like reading obsolete computer manuals?

Does anybody else like My Li'l Ponies?

P.L.U.R.,

Mars Joseph

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   Hmmm vibonauts...vibonauts...
Well i agree that shorting dj's is a low down dirty scheme, but that's what
contracts are for, and I say leave that to dj-promotor.  Vibeonauts have
brought in talented dj's, and artists...that i want to see, if it really is
about the music, i guess i can overlook the greed, etc... in no way can i
compare someone not getting their money to people not having bathrooms,water
etc. *aka April Foolz 2*
	i don't know..this bullshit just makes me even more excited to move OUT of
the midwest ..i want the opportunity to HEAR music, feel music, and *be* with
the music, and there aren't a hell of a lot of promotors in Chi that have a
good image anymore, except for Pure Productions...and you people are soo damn
stuck up , and hell bent on bitching about shit, rather than doing something
about it , such as REALLY supporting promotors that still pledge PLUR, and
give you music you want...that bah, fuck it , no one listens anyways 
yeah peace and all that...
marianne

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U juSt have To kno what goes on behind the scenes.....and the pure ppl are
nice....

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Crystal Method was in Cincinnati Thursday night and I went to go see
them. Had a great time. For me though, the opening act was more fun.
Taylor opened for them and rocked the house!! There were so many people
who you could tell were not really into electronic music at all (why
they were at a Crystal Method show?) but they were kickin' it with other
people who were, it was a great vibe and all. Anyway...

Sound : Bogarts in Cinci. Decent sound, I was in front of the speakers
the whole night and everything was crisp and clear. I was impressed.

Lights : Nice. Roboscans and other moving things. Big ol' strobe thingy
too. Kinda neat. 

Music : Okay, Crystal Method was good, they played a pretty nice show,
mostly on DAT prolly, but still, everyone enjoyed it, but my main thing
was Taylor. Very tight mixing of hard progressive house and trance. A
great 1.5 hour set. Kept me shakin' my booty the whole time. I had
planned on resting a few times, but it just didn't happen. 

Anyway, just my little review, I had a good time, even if it wasn't a
rave. :-)

-Ben / Elroy

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If anyone remembers the dinner we had at IO3, you know what I'm talking about.

Who? - Everyone. mw-ravers and anyone else who cares to participate..

What? - A communal dinner/brunch/whatever to foster communication outside the
dancefloor and chow down with some of the most interesting people in the
midwest.... us!!!

What can you do? - Bring food!! Preferably vegetarian, but any food is OK. At
IO3, everyone just chipped in the food they could spare, and we ended up
feeding about 50-75 people. Also, grills, camp stoves, charcoal, pots, pans,
lighter fluid, paper plates, forks, and anything else that supports the cause.

When? - Well, Mikey and I thought that since him, Dica, and I were all
spinning around the same time at the Dynamic Groove sound system on Saturday,
we could do it around that time (2:00ish?) and area, or in the mw-raves area
by StevenJ's big white tent. We're still open to suggestions.

Who's in charge/organizing? - YOU are. Nobody is. We're all in this together,
and when you bring the positive elements of chaos to work for you, something
magic is bound to happen.

How much will it cost? - Nothing, silly!! Just bring food, forks, and smiles,
and we'll see how many people we can make smile with some hot food in their tummy!!


see you "there"...
j-Sun
-- 
__________________________________________
  C. Jason Clark								        Strange Loop
             http://www.louisville.edu/~cjclar01
                 cjclar01@homer.louisville.edu
  new CD out: Strange Loop - "the mind of a seeker"
__________________________________________

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In a message dated 98-05-22 03:19:42 EDT, jes wrote:

>  kay, may i suggest for the remember.the.magic net meet, perhaps two am by
>   the uh, vendor? 

There is a possibility that I may be going...so if you see a girl with sesame
street pants on then I guess that's me.  

-Peggy


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On Fri, 22 May 1998, andrew arnold wrote:

> <I swear to god that if I was a dead sheep, and you were a pregnant
> dolphin there would be hell to pay!>
> 
> Yes, I'll buy the meaning of THAT for a dollar. 

Mail your check or money order to: ...

> I'll also buy the meaning of WHY people decide that it's neccessary to
> share nearly 30K of their thoughts with the rest of us. I predict Seth's
> mailbox will crash from the angry, well-thought out replies from the
> mw-raves-digest population. 

Actually, I paid one of Nixon's former speech writers to compose my
lengthy spiel.

You can contact him at:

mb8177@acs.brockport.edu

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Famous roomate quotes:

"Couples like Karen and Israel make me glad that I'm gay."

Seth Morth  sm3915@acs.brockport.edu 
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> ----------
> From: 	SM:)EEN[SMTP:e-keribar@nwu.edu]
> Sent: 	 May 22, 1998 12:27AM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	HELPMEOUT?
> 
(keep in mind, I am at work, so I'm not able to fully concentrate on this)

For a large portion of my life, I lived in a highly superficial suburban
area in Houston.  We're talking mansions just down the road from the
neighborhood high school, with the children of those families attending the
schools.  Ever since grade school I was always one who just could not fit in
with the rest of the crowd.  I now realize that this was a result of being a
true individual, despite what anyone had to say.  I felt like an outcast, a
well-behaved misfit of sorts.  This was until I discovered the rave scene.

Why I love the Rave Scene....

Because for once in my life, I found something that I truly feel a part of.
Because I am free to be who I am, free to dance the way the music moves me,
free to share the craziest thoughts in my eccentric mind without being
shunned because of it.  Free to wear, say, create, play anything my soul
desires.  To be able to listen to music that echoes the sound of the past,
present and future.

In a world of hypocrisy, oxymorons, superficiality, suppression, and
whathaveyou, the spirit of the rave gives me something to look forward to
each time I hit the snooze button every Monday through Friday.  To be able
to surrender ones soul, mind & body to the thumping sounds of the music
without worrying what someone else thinks about you; a type of freedom.

The spirit of Raves are my pair of wings.  My escape from the pressures of
the common society, my path to discovering my true self, love, life, and the
future.  It gives me something to believe in, because there isn't much
around that I really believe in anymore.  A home for a lost, nomadic soul.

This why I love the Rave Scene.

hugs & love vibes,
angel O:)

++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++
"Please enjoy your day on this planet"




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Thanks for the review, Ben.  I'm probably going to see c. method and
taylor, with local dude steven k tomorrow night at the Rave in
Milwaukee.  Its "the rave" not "a rave". :)  Looking forward to even
more now after reading your review.

Rob


On Fri, 22 May 1998 15:20:19 -0400, you wrote:

>Crystal Method was in Cincinnati Thursday night and I went to go see
[snop]
>-Ben / Elroy

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Okay, if you have not yet emailed me privately regarding your interest in
coming this year, please do so NOW!!!!  I'm going to be setting up a
mailer that includes everyone who's interested, and I want to make sure
you're on there... Also include dates you cannot make it... 

A lot of the people coming should receive substantial discount coupons or
possible free tickets...

I'll announce probably tomorrow or the beginning of next week the possible
dates that we can go. We'll probably be going on a Saturday...

There may be a party at our place afterwards. Or if you have a house and
want to offer it up, let me know!

Let me know!!!

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra


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In a message dated 98-05-06 16:30:06 EDT, you write:

> Bring a charcoal grill, and plenty of charcoal, or a camp stove.  You
>  WILL want warm food, and cooking anything more ambitious than weenie on
>  stick over a fire is usually a disaster.  
>  

us veggies are gonna get mighty skinny this weekend.  a weeniewould probably
kill me.

cheers
Blue

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Juan Melendez wrote:

> Its our motto P.L.U.R.
> Every time I go to a party I meet incredible people, I have been to
> parties all around the world and every time it is a new experience.
> I meet soooo many people at parties, and every one of them is interesting
> in their own unique way.
> Dancing is another main reason, I love to roller-dance (you know what I
> mean). There is nothing like listening to a nice D.J. and dance to his/her
> groove.
> Anyway, you have to be there to understand.
> I always look foward to a good party.



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Its our motto P.L.U.R.
Every time I go to a party I meet incredible people, I have been to
parties all around the world and every time it is a new experience.
I meet soooo many people at parties, and every one of them is interesting
in their own unique way.
Dancing is another main reason, I love to roller-dance (you know what I
mean). There is nothing like listening to a nice D.J. and dance to his/her
groove. 
Anyway, you have to be there to understand.
I allways look foward to a good party.


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On Fri, 22 May 1998, Blueslim9 wrote:

> us veggies are gonna get mighty skinny this weekend.  a weeniewould probably
> kill me.

Are you kidding?  Why not grill vegetables on a grill?  Or simply bring 
along some aluminum foil and wrap the veggies and spices and such in the 
foil and cook it on a grill?  I've done this and it works wonderfully 
well.



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
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at Furthur '96 I learned a valuable lesson about the importance of this
device that costs about $10 at any store with a decent array of
outdoors-type material... I don't know what it's called... maybe it's
called a sandwich grill... anyhow... you just toss a couple of slices of
bread and some of WisconSIN's best cheese in there... and hold that
sucker over a flame for a while...

of course... if yer' vegan you're probably reduced to foraging or
chucking a can of mixed vegetables into the fire and removing it just
before it explodes.

-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
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In a message dated 5/22/1998 5:23:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JuNgLALieN@aol.com writes:

> SOUTH EASTERN OHIO!!!!!!!!!! SHIT THATS FAR =(
Where do you live again, Pittsburgh right?  No that is not far, I am sure you
can make it if you want to (that is if you live in Pitt).

Shit man I drove from Lexington, Ky to Columbus then 3 of us drove to the
poconos for APril Foolz 2 don't talk to me bout long trips.  Maybe what bout
Robin from KC who drove 14 hours last year to Family Affair.... damn man shit
that is far, I only had to drive 12 to the Poconos!

Stop yo bitchin!
Peace
Jared

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> >DVD is as useless as tits on a wart hog 

Actually, there's nothing better than warm milk fresh from a lactating
warthog:)

Martin "I'm still going to buy a minidisc" bEAN

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Got this info in the mail today thought i'd pass it on....


June 6th St. Louis
Faded Crew Presents:

Jungle Kombat 2

Celebrating our one year anniversary faded prod. brings you this summers
full scale 100% drum and bass event. 
Represented by some of the midwest and south's best junglist crews we
dedicated to giving you what you have been waiting for...jungle fuckin
music, and nothing else! there will be a 50,000 watt sound system of
booming bass, a state of the art intelligent lighting, by smoke and
mirrors..and two video screens...WE GURANTEE THIS PARTY TO BE EXCELLENT!!

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   All Junglist Represent!!!!!

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At 01:13 PM 5/22/98 -0400, Becky Wangenheim wrote:
>>The only record store here is overpriced. (again, Bob-a-dob) That's why we
>mail order most of our stuff. You can get it CHEAPER than with Bob. Not >to
Ok...  Everyone loves to pick on Bob but...  I have been to record stores
in LA, Chicago, louisville, and Tucson.
Bob's records (imports/and domestics) ARE NOT ANY MORE EXPENSIVE than
anywhere else. AND if you are a regular customer who spends decent cash and
take the time to be FRIENDLY (sumfn so many ravers seem to have a difficult
time doing these days) he will generally cut you a deal.


>mention, a lot of his selection is OLD OLD OLD... Another reason to go to
>mail order... the only problem is that you can't listen to the records
>beforehand. But then again, when does Bob always have what you want to
>listen to in?
AGAIN take 15 minutes to get to know/ talk to him (or any record store
owner for that matter) and I'm willing to bet he will order records you
want even let you look at the order lists and pick things out (As long as
your Going to ACTUALLY buy 90% of the records you ask him to order).


>
>There are a lot more reasons why I think Cincinnati has a well deserved
>bad reputation...
>
>BUT... THERE ARE GOOD THINGS ABOUT CINCINNATI as a party city...
>
>1. The free party in the Guild House basement in Over the Rhine (93 or 94)
>on a Thursday night. AWESOME music, hot sweaty dancing bodies, lots of
>friends and smiles... (note, it was FREE)
>

Cincy's also had some decent 'RAVES' anyone remember Satori?? there have
been a few others...  The one thing I will say Cincy has over almost over
any other 'Party scene' is VARIETY of people (in particular Bob-a-Dob's
parties) Generally there are club kids, Drag queens, dead head types and
college kids in addition to ravers.  I consider that a positive  (but most
ravers dont want anyone other than ravers at their parties).

>3. Looney T-Birds in Oxford, Ohio. Ask for Jim. He's got a KICKASS
>selection of our music hiding in the backroom and will special order
>anything you want. Not to mention the prices are a TON TON TON better than
>Clubhead.... Whenever I go in there I could EASILY spend $500...
Want to talk about old records... Well the last time I was there the most
current 'techno' they had was harthouse records from 93  *shrug*

>
>4. The house parties! We thrown some of the BEST BEST BEST house parties
>around! 
Yeah, good house parties.


>5. The ANNUAL NETRAVER KINGS ISLAND TRIP *plug plug* We always have a
>blast!!! and I'm going to announce the date for THIS YEAR'S trip sometime
>next week. SO... EMAIL ME PRIVATELY IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO IF YOU'RE
>INTERESTED IN GOING. It will be on a weekend, with a possible party to
>follow at our place...
I'm interested in going but I wont be back in Ohio until late july...



>I think it's the small things that are done here that are worth travelling
>to Cincinnati for. NOT the big parties, like Step Into and World... So
>avoid Cincinnati for the big stuff, but come visit for the small,
>intimate and almost FREE things!
I can agree with that.... but that is generally true of almost any city.

Thursday nights at Elevation were always fun (well ok anytime they brought
a special dj)

Tad





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At 01:15 PM 5/22/98 -0400, Becky Wangenheim wrote:
>On Thu, 21 May 1998, Panked wrote:
>
>As someone who used to know Dave pretty well when he lived in Indy, I can
>guess that more than likely he will be in Chicago. This just goes to
>emphasize my points made about Cincinnati, my "wonderful" hometown. =P
>
OK  you know its entirely possible that Dave is playing BOTH parties...


tad


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> Bob's records (imports/and domestics) ARE NOT ANY MORE EXPENSIVE than
> anywhere else. AND if you are a regular customer who spends decent cash and
> take the time to be FRIENDLY (sumfn so many ravers seem to have a difficult
> time doing these days) he will generally cut you a deal.
> 

I'm gonna have to agree. I shop there quite a bit and most times, he'll
cut off some of the price if I don't have the money to pay it. If you
are actually nice and (God forbid) maybe become his friend, he's quite
flexible about certain things.

> AGAIN take 15 minutes to get to know/ talk to him (or any record store
> owner for that matter) and I'm willing to bet he will order records you
> want even let you look at the order lists and pick things out (As long as
> your Going to ACTUALLY buy 90% of the records you ask him to order).

Again, if he doesn't have what I want, he'll order it the next day if
possible. I don't even ask, he just offers.

I'm not tryin' to flame anyone or get this into a heated debate, just
trying to straighten a few things out. 

-Ben / Elroy

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On Fri, 22 May 1998, PHILFART wrote:

> The night was fun because the average age was 21. 
> 
> The main objective of the night was to hear good music and "brockout". Not to
> find the hip clique, get fucked up, compare outfits, or do x-amount of tweak
> chemical...
> 
> Phil
> 

yep. too bad for the 19 year old kids. 
:(
at least i recently got a new copy of jungle unites(phantom45/jj
jellybean), which someone took from me last year.

eric


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dj's...and anyone else that has hands.  


i just got off work again...i work at a place called HM graphics in the bindery as a die cutter...

i was cutting down a small stack of makeready in the power cutter to check the position when CRACK! i got the tips of my two middle fingers got caught underneath this foot that comes down just before the big ass blade comes down and cuts whatever it is that's in the cutter...usually you want this to be a paper product of some kind.


well, i thought i had lost two fingers from the pain and the blood that was everywhere, but i was able to calm down and see that i had just cracked my two fingernails in half and they cut into my skin and they cracked clean in half,and so it looked like i had lost part of my finger,it's pretty gross...that's where the blood was coming from.  (sorry if someone doesn't like to hear stuff like that)

all i could think while i was cleaning and bandaging myself was thank god...thank god...thank god.  i still feel so lucky.  i could have easily got all the fingers of my left hand caught under that foot (it comes down with about 2000-4000 lbs of pressure)

of course if i had been lucky, i wouldn't have got my fingers caught in the first place.  but when i did get them caught, my bad luck turned to good luck, and i came away relatively ok...even though it hurts to type and i imagine it will hurt to spin this weekend.

i'm just thankful.


the reason i'm posting this, is because no matter what you do, you should think.  job wise and in life in general.  i was having such a productive night and taking things for granted and the job has become so routine in the last 2 years, it was 3am, i wasn't thinking.  it could have cost me a hand.  so whatever you do, don't take things for granted, be patient and conscious of what parts are going where at all times...especially if you work with heavy machinery.


stayin alert from now on,

chad

<paraindent><param>out,out</param>-                                      
                        -

<smaller>name: Chad M. Sponholz 

email: cspon@csd.uwm.edu

webpage: http://www.uwm.edu/~cspon

</smaller></paraindent><paraindent><param>out,out</param><smaller>phone: i can't tell you ha.
ha. ha. 

hint: how long can you tread water ha. ha. ha.

</smaller>-                                                              
-




</paraindent>

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I was just wondering if anyone was going to Family Business on Sunday night.
My boyfriend and I would like to go, but we're not 21 :(  So if you go, please
tell me how it was.  Peace.

*~^Cera^~*

P.S. I'm new on mw-raves.

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Chad Sponholz wrote:
> 
> dj's...and anyone else that has hands.
> 
> i just got off work again...i work at a place called HM graphics in
> the bindery as a die cutter...
> i was cutting down a small stack of makeready in the power cutter to
> check the position when CRACK! i got the tips of my two middle fingers
> got caught underneath this foot that comes down just before the big
> ass blade comes down and cuts whatever it is that's in the
> cutter...usually you want this to be a paper product of some kind.
> 
> well, i thought i had lost two fingers from the pain and the blood
> that was everywhere, but i was able to calm down and see that i had
> just cracked my two fingernails in half and they cut into my skin and
> they cracked clean in half,and so it looked like i had lost part of my
> finger,it's pretty gross...that's where the blood was coming from.
> (sorry if someone doesn't like to hear stuff like that)
> all i could think while i was cleaning and bandaging myself was thank
> god...thank god...thank god. i still feel so lucky. i could have
> easily got all the fingers of my left hand caught under that foot (it
> comes down with about 2000-4000 lbs of pressure)
> of course if i had been lucky, i wouldn't have got my fingers caught
> in the first place. but when i did get them caught, my bad luck turned
> to good luck, and i came away relatively ok...even though it hurts to
> type and i imagine it will hurt to spin this weekend.
> i'm just thankful.
> 
> the reason i'm posting this, is because no matter what you do, you
> should think. job wise and in life in general. i was having such a
> productive night and taking things for granted and the job has become
> so routine in the last 2 years, it was 3am, i wasn't thinking. it
> could have cost me a hand. so whatever you do, don't take things for
> granted, be patient and conscious of what parts are going where at all
> times...especially if you work with heavy machinery.
> 
> stayin alert from now on,
> chad
> - -
> name: Chad M. Sponholz
> email: cspon@csd.uwm.edu
> webpage: http://www.uwm.edu/~cspon
> phone: i can't tell you ha. ha. ha.
> hint: how long can you tread water ha. ha. ha.
> - -


It's a sign from god that minidisc is better than CD-R and DVD :)

Just kidding, glad to here your alright though.

Martin b.

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A few days ago I got to thinkin' about how big the midwest really
is, and wondered how it compared to size with other "raving regions"
in the world.  Due to combinations of geography, population
densities and national borders, we have one hell of a big area.
Probably, I'd say, unrivaled anywhere else in the world.

Consulting my buddies Rand and McKinley, I've created the following
chart.  Censuses are only collected every ten years in the US, so
the data is from '91.  Area is in miles, and density is average
population per square mile.  Figures in parenthesis are rankings.

::

State        Population         Area            Density

N. Dakota       641,364 (14)     68,994 (5)       9.3 (13)
S. Dakota       669,999 (13)     75,898 (4)       8.8 (14)
Illinois     11,466,682 (1)      55,593 (9)     206.3 (2)
Indiana       5,564,228 (4)      35,870 (14)    155.1 (4)
Iowa          2,787,424 (10)     55,875 (8)      49.9 (10)
Kansas        2,485,600 (11)     81,823 (1)      30.4 (11)
Kentucky      3,698,969 (9)      39,732 (13)     93.1 (6)
Michigan      9,328,784 (3)      56,809 (7)     164.2 (3)
Minnesota     4,387,029 (8)      79,617 (2)      55.1 (9)
Missouri      5,137,804 (5)      68,898 (6)      74.6 (8)
Nebraska      1,584,617 (12)     76,878 (3)      20.6 (12)
Ohio         10,887,325 (2)      40,953 (12)    265.8 (1)
Tennessee     4,896,641 (7)      41,220 (11)    118.7 (5)
Wisconsin     4,906,745 (6)      54,314 (10)     90.3 (7)

              4,888,800          59,462          82.2          Avg.

             68,443,211         832,474                        Tot.

::

So with almost 70 million people covering over three-quarter of a
million miles of land, why does everything seem so homogenized
lately?



- Craig

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ok im not lying about this..... i saw them both in chicago along with BT back
in feb.....Last april i had a freind of Taylor's, who also opened up for the
method ,spin at my party.....HE SAID (and now htis makes sense to me....) THEY
do NOT perform LIVE.  IT is obvious because the light show issooo intense u
cant notice that theyer playin with nuthin.....and also for the reason that BT
was Immensely louder than the method becasue they did perform live....weird
HUH? kinda like milli vanilli in the electronic scene......but have fun

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This coming july, our good friend jes of the Gro Collective will be
leaving the country for australia, and we can't let her go quietly!
Come join rural ameriKa on saturday night, june 13th, as we take to the
woods of central illinois, microrave styleee.

 confirmed beatmasters for the evening:

* mark lancaster : midwest.prarie.nomad : acidstepcore
* matt positive  : positive kids        : happyhardkore
* dica           : wsum                 : jumpup        
* agent2012      : schwa corporation    : breakinbeatz  
* mikeyd         : rural amerika        : fungle        
* fiz            : rural amerika        : gabber 

 more noizes are being confirmed.

 cost: $5 per carload.  bring a pickup with a dozen friends.
 This event will go on rain or shine.

                               rural ameriKa: (217) 353 5111

 see y'all @ furthur!

 -pete
 [FiZ, rural ameriKa]










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Well..that drunken masters (the blonde dredy gal & her guyfriend) fight at
Brockout. One of the funniest things to happen that night was to watch Matt
Massive dance around the fight and going crazy. Ha ha!! The fight itself was
bad...to bad to Mike. You wuz robbed!!!

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if anyone is going to transformation tonight please age me at 216-790-9995.  i
desperately need a ride.  i live in parma so its not far.  thanx

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If this hasn't been mentioned already (I never know), it might do you some
good to buy/make your own first aid kit to take with you.  Who knows, you
might make your trip less miserable.

If you do decide to buy a kit, may I suggest the Curad outdoor first aid
kit.  It's cheap, comes in a big green box with plenty of convalescent
goodies...

...and it even comes with a full-size glowstick; no shit!

Amene <--was not paid for the preceeding advert :P
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well last night was suposed to be the first night of a weekly Fri night
afterhours here in MPLS.  about 1:30, while returning w/ more supplies
for our smart bar, I saw a bunch of ppl come out of the place looking
really rough and bitching about pepper spray.  turns out these ppl had
shown up and after half of them paid and went in for a few minutes
decided they wanted their money back.  well the doorguy said no, an
arguement ensued which quickly turned into these ppl starting a fight and
the only way to stop it was to spray them w/ pepper spray.  it took about
a half hour to the pepper spray out of the space, but then everyone came
back in and e-tones had a bumpin set, until an hour and a half later when
these guys came back and bumrushed the door guy, and then started
attacking these other guys including hitting ppl with chairs and shit
like that.  the door guy got a huge gash on his arm and looked to have
his nose broken(he ended up at the hospital), and a bunch of other ppl
got slightly hurt.  and for those in MPLS who may know him jason gilhoy
was one of the ppl who started the fight.  
also when I tried to give the information that I had about the fight to
the police they me,"we don't care.  get the hell out of here.  we are
sick and tired of your goddamn illegal parties."  yet another reason why
I hate the cops, they were more worried about the party than the assault
that had taken place.

I just felt I had to relay this, sorry if it seemed a waste of time.

cheers,
MINDFLUX

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   Hey man i agree totally! i think all that is bullshit..and i will still
support vibeonauts, cos you all bring some tight talent to the area! but ..i
still am moving out of the midwest!..cos i want to see Dj's i want to see,
without all this greed bullshit..
because i became a part of this scene for several reasons..one of which is the
opportunity to hear music that speaks to my soul..which you have provided for
me, another is the ability to be free..to dance..to explore myself and my
surrounding with like minded people..my experience with rave..has allowed me
to feel a part of, finally BELONGING to something that relates to my excentric
values..and away from the societal hypocrisy that abhors and appalls me in it.
aka greed being number one
i care about the scene..its allowed me to grow as a human being..and you, as
promotors have allowed me to experience that..aww yeah..house music all nite
long.

but i look for a lot of things in promotors..i'm older wiser, and more picky
at who and where i choose to *exploit* myself on the dance floor ... 
i dunno good luck!
later on!
marianne

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my friend wrote the response...........jackie

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I'm trying to gather some ideas and suggestions for positive change that will
eventually be incorporated into some sort of inspirational/informational
handout type deal.  If anyone has something to contribute please let me know.
To avoid a long thread you can simply reply privately to me.  

In general I'd like to know what people are looking for in a party...
  - what (specifically) constitutes a good party? if all the dj's show and it
dosent get busted 
  - do you have any ideas (large or small) to improve a party or the over all
scene?  every one needs to stop complaining and smile . 
  - what changes would you like to see made in the future?
  - what do you hope to get out of a party? (i.e. why are you there?)i go to
parties to dance and to have a good time .. but the thing that i love the most
is that i am around people that love music and danceing like i do . i cant jus
goany wear and get that feeling !

And what people DO NOT want to see at a party...
  - what are the biggest problems and how can they be eliminated/reduced?i
have no comment on this .. im happy

I would also like lots of creative suggestions and/or nifty things that you
have seen at past parties... or whatever else you deem worthy enough
contribute.    i will never forget all the peeps that have busted there azz in
front of walls of speakers with me for hours on end ...  it's what keeps me
goin .. 

Please try to add suggestions and ideas for change when replying about what
you DO NOT want to see at parties... because well... that's the whole point of
this :)

-Peggy
n.p.  tool - opiate

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>
>So with almost 70 million people covering over three-quarter of a
>million miles of land, why does everything seem so homogenized
>lately?
>
>
>
>- Craig

I would say that of that 70 million 90% have had their minds'
hacked by television and find it very difficult to leave
the concensus reality that binds them through the glass
tit of fear.  Of course MTV Amp has tried to cash in on
the rave experience and many humans worldwide suddenly
think they know what rave is about, and a few rave entities
hungry for power and glory have obliged--like the Crystal Method--
and I hope that those boys sleep well knowing that 12 year olds
worldwide think that glass is really cool since MTV tells
them so--yet MTV Amp tries to turn a wild animal into a
cash cow which yields, lately, "homogenized" milk when
what we really want is tiger's milk because for me a good
night of raving is like wrestling with a wild she
tigress all night on the wind swept plains of siberia.

Yet, if 1 in 10 still think freely that leaves 7 million
and the biggest raves yield 4 thousand so why aren't the
rest hugging the bins with the anointed few yielding
more power and diversity?  Perhaps we don't want them.
More is not necessarily better.  The massive raves of
Europe are as thrilling as sport events.  A small devoted
group of elite ravers is lighter quicker and free of
baggage.  Alas, of the few, even fewer have any legitimate
income and they attempt to leech off the rest--just think,
selling one bunk e will pay for a whole night of fun!--
and legitimate performers like myself are unable to get
paid a fraction of what they are worth so we can't throw
the quality events we dream about just as you can't get
blood from a rock.  Combine this with the fact that the
of the promoters who do make money a kind of twisted
social darwinism has taken hold that says "we must really
be great to be getting all this dough and the more dough
we get by whatever means necessary the better we must be!"
And their flocks, and mind you an informal survey done by
Brain Farm at a recent mw-event found the shocking results
that 1 in 3 ravers think that a sheep is a female goat, perhaps
awed by their shiny ornate new sneakers (a different pair
every week!) hang their head in shame and follow dealing
an effective death blow to creativity, diversity and yes,
to life itself.

Perhaps creating an all night utopian ghetto for the
enlightened few was never really a good idea and like
the monkeys who finally came down from the trees it
may be time for us to pick up a stick and a rock and
and walk on down the road.

Peace (through superior firepower), love, unity, respect,

Mars Joseph
Demon Puppet
Brain Farm
Tequila Rad  (Transitory Quasi Love Research and Development)

p.s. and for anybody I may have offended (ever) I offer
my recipe for Cream Cheese Frosting:

1 (8 oz.) pkg. cream cheese
1/2 stick butter
1 lb. powdered sugar
1 tsp. vanilla
1/2 cup chopped nutmeats

Beat cream cheese with butter until very smooth.
Add sugar and mix well.  Add vanilla and beat
until smooth.  Spread between layers and over top
of cake.  Sprinkle chopped nuts on top.


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>Perhaps creating an all night utopian ghetto for the

>enlightened few was never really a good idea and like

>the monkeys who finally came down from the trees it

>may be time for us to pick up a stick and a rock and

>and walk on down the road.


i think it's a comfort, though, that some of us still have a destination in mind.  if there's a fallen tree in the road, you either pick it up and move it, or you take a detour, but in the end, you still get to where you are going.


unless you get a blown tire, swerve out of control, and die.  but even then, you get to try again.


so, maybe you're right.  maybe i'd join you.  so long as a could pack up a few of the things i hold most dear.


love,

Chad

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<smaller>name: Chad M. Sponholz 

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</smaller></paraindent><paraindent><param>out,out</param><smaller>phone: i can't tell you ha.
ha. ha. 

hint: how long can you tread water ha. ha. ha.

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For those who might be interested.... I found the flyer on my floor last
night.... looks kinda cool... specially since there is nothing else to do
tonight!

N'JOY Brings You A Little MORE TOGETHERNESS
in Chicago
Memorial Day 
Sunday May 24 (No school, No Work on Monday)

Featuring
Paul Johnson
Glenn Underground
John Break it Down
Danny Tha Wild Child
Brian G.
Marcus Watkins
DJ Dis

$10 w/can o' food

INFO: 630.415.3158
A Memorial Day Celebration!

Sound by Diversified Audio
Lights by Jet Ink


------------------------
.tj.triggerhippie


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yea yea, the vibo-nauts have a strange reputation.....

but man, holy shit, did you see the line-up for
the one on june 13th?????

god damn, Id be willing to bet there are
at least 2,500 kids there if not more, bitch bitch bitch,
but remember, we here on the list are a very low number of
your regular " paying raver " we are by far NOT the majority and 
need to remember that, if you have something that your mad about
or wanna change or are just completely fed up with, take it to the partys,
thats
where we started meeting each other, when the party was your only other source
of meeting other kids, go there, make some flyers, tell them, if you really
wanna change things we cant keep it on the list cuz well first of all nobody
is ever right for one reason or another on here, and second of all all those
kids getting fcuked out of their money for bogus reasons for the most part
have no idea we even exist on here!!!

try posting a little something to the
non connected the way only us  " ravers " can
hand out some damn flyers of your own



( please realize im not saying that you should go ban vibonauts,
its just a good example since were on that topic right now)


covering my own ass

chris

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Okay...this is kinda of in response to Chad's response about the Boring Stats
Department:    "so, maybe you're right.  maybe i'd join you.  so long as a
could pack up a few of the things i hold most dear."

I started thinking about some thign when I read that and wondered what we
(myself and all of you)  Hold dearest in our hearts.  Some of us would say our
family, friends, and boyfriends/girlfriends.  None of which are bad to hold
dear.  I guess I just want to know what you all consider your favorite things,
wether they are friends or inanimate objects.  Possesions are merely things
but some of them hold a lot of value.  Friends and ideas are things you may
cherish forever.  I know my rave experiences will be cherished forever.   let
me know what you all hold dear in your hearts.  thanks guys.  This just might
give us a better idea about each other.  <wink>  Could be good or bad.  :o)

Holding Dear,
                 Dana

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Ok i know this is a lil late but i'm goin to give it a try since my ride
bailed on me this weekend..I was wonderin if anyone was goin to further
that would happen to be able to swing by Evansville and give me a ride..I'd
give you gas money and stuff and i'd bring lotz of mixtapes to listen
to...anyway if ANYONE can help i'd really appreciate it..
James


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In a message dated 5/24/1998 4:24:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jchung+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:

> would that be remix-a-matosis on june 19th?
>  
>  if that's it, then it's being thrown by noguestlist...
>  
>  who, as we all know, are the spawn of satan and are trying to destroy
>  the pittsburgh rave scene by any means necessary...
>  
>  seriously though...i'm going to digital genesis this saturday because i
>  love sasha and digweed...i really really hope noguestlist aren't the
>  bastards everyone is making them out to be...i really really hope
>  they're not another local 13...
>  
>  because it seems they have the ability to bring in big name
>  talent...granted big name talent isn't always all that and a bag of
>  chips...but some of them would be nice to have...despite past
>  discussion, i still think noguestlist might have something positive to
>  offer...
NOOOO anything xcept another APril Foolz 2... please save me from the drama
and shit.... ahhh that party sucked ass hard, and Local 13 has thrown
unorganized parties now several times in a row from what I hear!!!!  

Anyways I'm with you I hope it is purely wrong info you have  heard Bout
NOGUESTLIST cause lord knows we don't need more money grubbing SOns 'a
Bitches!!!!

Peace
Keep unity tho!
Jared

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alcohol for friday night.

=exit=
-adam-

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On Sat, 23 May 1998, Peter Mannix wrote:

> This coming july, our good friend jes of the Gro Collective will be
> leaving the country for australia, and we can't let her go quietly!

HI! My name is Anna and I live in Melbourne, Australia. In case anyone is 
wondering why I'm on this list, well I'm coming over to your side of the 
planet at the end of the year and I've been sitting quietly on the list 
for a while trying to get a feel of your party vibe so I know what to expect.

Jes, if you're coming to Melbourne, feel free to e-mail me through the mw 
list or directly if you would like a buddy or just some info on anything!

We have some really mad raves down here; big parties with international 
dj's (your locals Derrick Carter and Chez Damier will be here in a 
fortnight - I can't wait!) and lots of small but wicked raves -  you've just 
gotta know where to find them.

Hope to hear from you soon.

PEACE AND HAPPINESS - Anna

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Tonight was the last night of Edgefest here in Minnesota.  Actually, it was
held in Wisconsin...but you get the main point
Crystal Mehod played last tonight and were absolutley amazing
I got right down in front.  Everyone was dancing (I was going nuts) and many
had glow sticks.  They were throwing them out to the crowd, but at the time I
was too far back to even get a chance to grab one.
but all I can say...wow
Best show I have ever seen.
Who else here has seen them?  Please write and tell me about it!
Love-
Jen

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>Who else here has seen them?  Please write and tell me about it!

I was there too. :) They did kick the shit out...in style. ;) Edgefest was
not as good as some of the others IMHO, but it was pretty good nonetheless.
There's going to possibly be a huge rave next year called SUmmer Scream.
I'm not sure who's spinning or what's up with that, but we will have to see...

DJ Smurf

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     Time to break out the TofuDogs or notDogs!!!  We too can take 
     lumo-o-something, char it to death and puts lots of goop on it!


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
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Author:  mw-raves-owner-ALAN.D.HUDSON=monsanto.com@hyperreal.org at INTERNET
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In a message dated 98-05-06 16:30:06 EDT, you write:
     
> Bring a charcoal grill, and plenty of charcoal, or a camp stove.  You
>  WILL want warm food, and cooking anything more ambitious than weenie on 
>  stick over a fire is usually a disaster.  
>  
     
us veggies are gonna get mighty skinny this weekend.  a weeniewould probably 
kill me.
     
cheers
Blue

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helo!

I will be in Mundelein, IL (pretty much in the middle of Chicago and 
Milwaukee) again this summer, from end of June until middle of 
August (then I hit the west coast for a month). I went to a couple of 
raves 2 years ago in Chicago, with people I met on IRC. Since I'll be 
over there much longer this summer I would like to meet some of you 
from the area, to show me some good places and raves to go to. I'll 
have a car, so transportation will not be a problem. So if anyone 
wouldn't mind showing me around a little, at least 1 good rave is a 
must for me during a vacation, please email me back.
Also I'm interested in good record stores for Acid and Goa, since I 
am going to perform in fall and urgently need some good new records.

Thanks in advance, 

Matt
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and substantiated to be better
than what I am currently experiencing.
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On Sun, 24 May 1998, DooDah1069 wrote:
> but some of them hold a lot of value.  Friends and ideas are things you may
> cherish forever.  I know my rave experiences will be cherished forever.   let
> me know what you all hold dear in your hearts.  thanks guys.  This just might
> give us a better idea about each other.  <wink>  Could be good or bad.  :o)
> 
My first response to "what do I hold most dear?" was thinking about my 
boyfriend.  But really it isn't so much him as a being, it is the light 
that we share.  I think it is 
the same as how I feel when I am going ape shit on the dance floor.  

>From what I have learned about religion, this is the light of creation, 
some call it Jah, God, Allah....some call it love. (sorry to bring up 
religion here again) It is being able to share the light between our eyes.

And whatever objects I value, it is also because they are somehow 
connected to that feeling.  They are only inbetweens. Like my turntables, 
I would say I hold them very dear. Not because of their monetary worth, 
but because when utlized wisely, they cannel that light. 
Same with my drum.
Anyway...
anyone else get all sketched out at parties cause no one makes eye 
contact with you? Most peopple are hesitant.

so, go on, tell me how I am looney tooneys
elaine

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Just wait till they search your cars....

jackiE

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tuesday and wednesday are the last days that further
pre-sale tickets will be available. don't wait until the
last minute.

for madison area folks, nice musique is open from noon to
7:30pm on these days. tickets are $25.50, cash only.

-kc


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Is there a web site for further?


t


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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 17:39:11 -0500
From: Rob Campanell <robcamp@internetv.com>
Subject: PLUR rave culture documentary online



InterneTV is proud to announces the debut of the new documentary-style web
site "PLUR" http://www.internetv.com/plur.  The documentary is directed by
Todd Porter and produced by Rob Campanell.

We started work on this project in '94 with the intent of releasing it as a
video piece, we shot quite a lot of interviews and some good club footage,
but it didn't seem to translate well into a linear format, when Rob started
InterneTV we had the idea to change the way the information was presented,
to free the viewer to look at the subject of their interest, and create
their own viewing experience. With the help of designer Ken Olling we think 
we have achieved that.

Aside from the site's design, (which gives a nod to the aesthetics of the
rave flyer) PLUR contains interviews with individuals who helped shape the
scene into what it is today. Featured in PLUR are conversations with techno
visionaries Nick Philip, (graphic/apparel 
designer, musician) DRC, (DJ) Greg Scanavino (Young American Primitive)
Mark Heley (Journalist, Early Chronicler of the scene), Brian Behlendorf
(founder, Hyperreal), Richard Sharpe (fashion designer, Deep Space Time)
and Dave Richardson (visual artist, Hyperdelic Visuals, 111 Minna.)

  
InterneTV invites you to check out PLUR at http://www.internetv.com/plur.
InterneTV supports the three leading video streaming platforms (VDO,
RealVideo, VivoActive).  While you're there you can view other programming
such as techno and ambient music videos.

We hope you enjoy watching PLUR.  We try to present rave culture that shows
the positive side to it, because it has, and continues to be a positive
force in our lives.

Rob Campanell & Todd Porter.







- Rob Campanell
 
  PLUR - The rave culture documentary
  Now online at InterneTV
  http://www.internetv.com
 


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon May 25 23:12:18 1998
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This message is for Mark Lancaster... I have a message for you but I don't
have your address. Please respond privately.

Sorry for the spam, y'all.

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On Mon, 25 May 1998 18:02:01 -0500 (CDT) Hypnovotic
<drtechno@csd.uwm.edu> writes:

>Is there a web site for further?
>

www.execpc.com/~dropbass

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>Is there a web site for further?



Yes, there is. It is located in the drop bass site:

http://www.execpc.com/~dropbass



look in the events/future area.

directions will be up this thursday.


k. nyx

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>>Who else here has seen them?  Please write and tell me about it!
>

 I saw them at First Av.  They were great, but the crowd wasn't.  Lots 
of people who had good spots, on the floor, center were just standing 
there!  People jumped up and down during Busy Child.

K

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OTTA SPACE full moon madness
from communique-compass entertainment and depth probe

Saturday, June 20
 7pm - 1am
Ground Zero
15 NE 4 Ave, Minneapolis

Josh Wink
ovum/columbia records - Philadelphia

Esp Woody Mcbride
communique usa - Minneapolis

DJ JT
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E Tones
resident of 90's in Minneapolis

Ben Ross
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Chill Out by Intelliphunk
who are
Pull, Craft, Centrific, Derek, Rod Smith of the Funk, Master Mica and 
Friends Live, and video mixing by Vid Man

special cameo by
Chris B.
resident of Ground Zero

bass by DJ Esp's 4D audio and slamhammer sound
lights by Sir Hayes

doors open early with Esp's music from the couch

free stuff from tons of ovum, depth probe and communique

$15 door $12 advance
tickets available at Let it Be
1001 Nicollet Ave, Minneapolis

official dance 'till dawn after party
information given out at main event

main info line
encore usa 612-436-2673

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Hello,

If any of you were at First Avenue in Minneapolis last night at about 
10, how would you classify the music that was playing?

'bye,
  K

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Hello, kids,

Does anyone know of any cool stuff that will be happening in Chicago 
around July 4?  'cause, I might be there.

thanks,
  K

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In a message dated 5/25/98 8:41:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mailboxgirl@hotmail.com writes:

>  I saw them at First Av.  They were great, but the crowd wasn't.  Lots 
>  of people who had good spots, on the floor, center were just standing 
>  there!  People jumped up and down during Busy Child.

i dunno, maybe people don't like crystal method, cause well, i find teh
midwest doesn't like breaks that much, not all that sad either, or maybe they
dislike live pa's who are all DAT, yet act like they are actually playing it..
like the cute way they lift the corner of a synth.. 

paul

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THERE IS A BIGGG party
direct drive entertainment in conjunction with drumcode records present 
FUSE-the drumcode records tour 1998
Saturday the 4th of JULY
with
 adam beyre
thomas chrome
christian smith
bad boy bill
joel mull
kid koala
phantom 45
dj halo

312-409-3602

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okay i admit it...i am a loser and am not going to furthur due
to a shortage of funds   SO does anyone know of ANYTHING
rave-related in and around the chicago area this weekend?  
or has the whole mid-west shut down?
PLUR
rachel

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Friday, May 29th-31st, 1998 Dynamic Groove
is proud to present the 2nd annual

DYNAMIC GROOVE SOUND SYSTEM

located in the Sound System Village @
EVEN FURTHUR 1998

Featuring the talent of:

Friday:
---
12:30 pm Jay-C (Drum & Bass)
1:30 pm Helix (Techno)
2:30 pm R-yn (Drum & Bass)
3:30 pm Funky Diabetic (Electro/Acid House)
4:30 pm Druid (Trance & Techno)                                          
                                  
5:30 pm Steven J (Trance & Techno)
6:30 pm Steven Kaye (Trance & House)
7:30 pm Johnsin (Drum & Bass)
8:30 pm Mindrive (Techno/House/Trance)
9:30 pm Dan Efex (Techno & Trance)

Saturday:
---
11:30 am J-Sun (Ambient/Experimental)
12:30 pm MikeyD (D&B/Experimental)
1:30 pm Dica (Drum & Bass)
2:30 pm Dan X (House)
3:30 pm DJ Invisible (Techno)
4:30 pm Fiz (Techno)
5:30 pm Fishead (Gabber/Hardcore)
6:30 pm Ken & Karl Meier (Techno & House)
7:30 pm Tsar (Trance) 
8:30 pm Deepstar (Drum & Bass)
9:30 pm Casper (Drum & Bass)

Sunday:
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11:30 am Kent Christopher (House)
12:30 pm Dove (Speed Garage)                                             
   
1:30 pm Jace (House)                                           
2:30 pm David Siska (Techno)
3:30 pm Pressboard (Live-Hard Acid Noise)
4:30 pm Kid Entropy (Drum & Bass)
5:30 pm Pretty Boy Netti (Drum & Bass)
6:30 pm Mindflux (Drum & Bass)                                           
                   
7:30 pm Mark Lancaster (D&B/Hardcore/Experimental)
8:30 pm Special Guest
9:30 pm Special Guest

5000 Watts of Electro-Voice MT & Peavey Sound plus
Intelligent Lighting by Dynamic Sound & Lighting.

For official Even Furthur information contact:
Drop Bass Network - 414.256.1733
www.execpc.com/~dropbass

For Dynamic Groove information contact:
Dynamic Groove - 414.777.DYNAMIC
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hi all
umm i don't know if this is showing up on everybody's mail
but i'm sorry if you guys are getting stuff in like 72 pt. font  i
realized i forgot to change the font size back to normal after
e-mailing a friend
sorry for the inconvenience
PLUR
rachel

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Hey, kids,

This weekend, I think its Friday, there is going to be an 'electronica' 
thing at the Weisman art Museum.  That's on Washington Avenue on the 
East bank of the University of Minnesota campus.  Ouisa is going to be 
there. some other people, too, of course, but I don't know who yet   

That's all I know right now.

'bye,
  K

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> THERE IS A BIGGG party
> direct drive entertainment in conjunction with drumcode records present 
> FUSE-the drumcode records tour 1998
> Saturday the 4th of JULY

Direct Drive Entertainment, aka Armando.  What a piece of work.  The
same guy who brought you the Higher ground fiasco.  The party was
shut down at 4pm but tickets were sold until after 6pm and no
refunds were given nor was the sound or most DJs paid for.  Or how
about Jack O Land, with Daft Punk on the flyer when even DP
themselves said they wouldn't be there?

Lies and manipulation.  He should get a job at Microsoft.

I can't say what will happen at Fuse; everyone might show.  But
this, if anything, is clearly not an organization that deserves your
money or support.  Please don't allow yourself to be fed upon by
this parasite.



- Craig

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I read a post to the list about a little knick-knack that one can put 
bread and cheese in and make grill cheese right on the fire.  I think 
that these are called pudgie pie makers.  cool little gadgets.  you put 
the sandwich in, close the two ends, and toss it under some coals for 
about 5 minutes.   Da-Daaaah!  hot food.  If anyone has these laying 
around at home, bring 'em.  I'm trying to find some for myself as well.
Also, bring a small pot(1 gallon or less) to boil water in, for whatever 
veggies, or dry food that needs to be boiled.  I know that i'm stockin' 
up on some Ramen noodles, i mean $.25 for a meal...you can't go wrong.  
Maybe some canned soups as well.  I know how to whip up a good meal, so 
maybe for some candy or sexual favors, I'll make ya a campfire 
cuisine.=)

peace,
Jesse

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hey i was just answering the girls question bout parties on the 4th
ive heard lots and lots bout mr. armando........

jackiE

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sorry to bring minidiscs up again after the recent discussion/arguement
but I had a question I was hoping to get answered.

I want to know how the sharp md-ms702 compares to the sony mz-r30.  they
are both portable recorders, but the sharp is quite a bit smaller and $50
cheaper, however sharp isn't a name that inspires a lot of confidence in
me.

thanx in advance for the help.

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Hi peoples! 

i'm  from NYC anyways, i'm going to Chicago for the summer to work up in 
Oak PArk.i know in the city people rarely card at bars and clubs so i 
was wondering how things work in IL? me and my pals are 20 so it's kinda 
harsh to get turned down from a cool party or nice bar.
if they ARE harsh about carding, any ways to get around it?

thanx!

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        Hey, I saw both you ppeps there!  Those Sesame Street pants rule.  
     Big Bird and stuff.
     
     
     rEalm


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In a message dated 98-05-22 03:19:42 EDT, jes wrote:
     
>  kay, may i suggest for the remember.the.magic net meet, perhaps two am by 
>   the uh, vendor? 
     
There is a possibility that I may be going...so if you see a girl with sesame 
street pants on then I guess that's me.  
     
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At 20:53 25/05/98 PDT, Jesse Settle wrote:
>I read a post to the list about a little knick-knack that one can put 
>bread and cheese in and make grill cheese right on the fire.  I think 
>that these are called pudgie pie makers.  cool little gadgets.  you put 
>the sandwich in, close the two ends, and toss it under some coals for 
>about 5 minutes.   Da-Daaaah!  hot food.  If anyone has these laying 
>around at home, bring 'em.  I'm trying to find some for myself as well.

I got one of these at KMart yesterday....like $8 for a nice Coleman
one...not sure it's worth it if you're just going to use it at Furthur, but
hey, I'm hoping to do some more camping this summmer...so what the hell...


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There was a small error in my original post of this, so here's the
corrected version...

-----

Friday, May 29th-31st, 1998 Dynamic Groove
is proud to present the 2nd annual

DYNAMIC GROOVE SOUND SYSTEM

located in the Sound System Village @
EVEN FURTHUR 1998

Featuring the talent of:

Friday:
---
12:30 pm Jay-C (Drum & Bass)
1:30 pm Helix (Techno)
2:30 pm R-yn (Drum & Bass)
3:30 pm Funky Diabetic (Electro/Acid House)
4:30 pm Druid (Trance & Techno)                                          
                                  
5:30 pm Steven J (Trance & Techno)
6:30 pm Steven Kaye (Trance & House)
7:30 pm Johnsin (Drum & Bass)
8:30 pm Mindrive (Techno/House/Trance)
9:30 pm Dan Efex (Techno & Trance)

Saturday:
---
11:30 am J-Sun (Ambient/Experimental)
12:30 pm MikeyD (D&B/Experimental)
1:30 pm Dica (Drum & Bass)
2:30 pm Dan X (House)
3:30 pm DJ Invisible (Techno)
4:30 pm Fiz (Techno)
5:30 pm Fishead (Gabber/Hardcore)
6:30 pm Ken & Karl Meier (Techno & House)
7:30 pm Tsar (Trance) 
8:30 pm Deepstar (Drum & Bass)
9:30 pm Casper (Drum & Bass)

Sunday:
---
11:30 am Kent Christopher (House)
12:30 pm Dove (Speed Garage)                                             
   
1:30 pm Jace (House)                                           
2:30 pm David Siska (Techno)
3:30 pm Pressboard (Live-Hard Acid Noise)
4:30 pm Kid Entropy (Drum & Bass)
5:30 pm Pretty Boy Netti (Drum & Bass)
6:30 pm Mindflux (Drum & Bass)                                           
                   
7:30 pm Mark Lancaster (D&B/Hardcore/Experimental)
8:30 pm Special Guest
9:30 pm Special Guest

5000 Watts of Electro-Voice MT & Peavey Sound plus
Intelligent Lighting by Dynamic Sound & Lighting.

For official Even Furthur information contact:
Drop Bass Network - 414.256.1733
www.execpc.com/~dropbass

For Dynamic Groove information contact:
Dynamic Groove - 414.777.DYNAMIC
www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik/furthur.html

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Does anyone know when the headliners for Furthur are scheduled? I have a
friend that wants to go, but if he goes, we have to leave Sunday night, and I
really don't want to miss some of the talent that is gracing the decks this weekend.

anyone?

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if you're planning on coming through chicago at any time and need to know
how to get to a record store or clothing store, check out this page:

http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~dps927/chiguide.html

the parties page has a link to cajm's chicago raves calendar.

all contributions are appreciated as i havent been going to parties much
lately.

-dave


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okay. i was up there for remember, but didn't meet any of you [net meet?
heh.] but i have a question...

someone played a great live pa until 4am. and paul told me who it was, but
for some reason, i can't remember who it was. 

could someone tell me? =)

thanks...
peace, hugs,
see everyone at further
andrew

On Tue, 26 May 1998 Eric_Magrini_at_WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote:

>         Hey, I saw both you ppeps there!  Those Sesame Street pants rule.  
>      Big Bird and stuff.
>      
>      
>      rEalm
> 
> 
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Re: remembrance of things to come....
> Author:  Deadphishn <Deadphishn@aol.com> at Internet
> Date:    5/22/98 3:15 PM
> 
> 
> In a message dated 98-05-22 03:19:42 EDT, jes wrote:
>      
> >  kay, may i suggest for the remember.the.magic net meet, perhaps two am by 
> >   the uh, vendor? 
>      
> There is a possibility that I may be going...so if you see a girl with sesame 
> street pants on then I guess that's me.  
>      
> -Peggy
>      


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In a message dated 5/26/98 8:03:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
WG1002@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com writes:

> Hey, I saw both you ppeps there!  Those Sesame Street pants rule.  
>       Big Bird and stuff.
>       
>       
>       rEalm
>  

Totally retarded question but oh well.. Where do you get Sesame Street pants??
:-)

Kate

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Just so folks quite askin, I am NOT the DJ Smurf that folks might be
thinking. But I've been spinnin for over 12 years and I ain't changing my
nickname because someone else uses it as well. 

Gracias Amigos

DJ Smurf

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http://www.fear-and-loathing.com

anyone who's seen the movie or even read the book (they're almost
identical) would love this.


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 26 19:59:02 1998
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Yea, does anyone know of anything cool going on around here, 
IM in Madison and am willing to drive as far as it takes to have some
freakin fun.  IM thinking of maybe going down to Chicago and seeing if
there is anything going on, so if your going to Chicago this weekend and
can give me a ride, some money, a couple of packs of ciggs, maybe a 
kitkat or a juice or something, write me back privately cuz I hate it when 
people post worthless shit for no reason.


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 26 20:15:28 1998
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i just went and saw the movie yesterday....and all i could do was laugh
throught the whole thing...it was hilarious....

and on to big and better things....i got to meet dica last friday, as he was
out here to spin at one of matter's recently started party...and dica set it
off right....he got me dancing for the first time in about a month...and
then i had the pleasure of having dan efex kick my ass on the floor
too...thanks you two, 
and you too matter..big ups...for giving me something to do on a usually
boring friday night here in denver...anyway, i had a blast just hanging out
with dica and dan...two of the funniest guys i have met in awhile...ummm,
dica, umm, what about the two girls on the box...=0)...and the big burly joe
weider guy?...=0)...and the wireless microphone...anyways, i got to get back
to work...latah....

j.love
*303*
http://members.tripod.com/~three_oh_three
> ----------

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        Did you just get out of jail?  Finally found your way after being 
     lost in the wilderness?  Good god man get your ass to FURTHER!  There 
     is nothing else even close to this going on this weekend.  What's 
     going on this weekend,ha ,that's a laugh!  Check out the DROPBASS site 
     for details, I don't have the addy, do a search.
     
     
     rEalm


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue May 26 21:01:33 1998
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Did anyone party in Minneapolis?
If so, please tell me about it.  
I went to Edgefest to see Crystal Method.  
Sweet show... un-freakin-believeable...
Thanks!
Love-
Jen

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I cant make it to Furthur guys!!!  Tell me again how you'll still love me!
LoL...I am sooo pissed cause I cant make it...everyone make sure you have fun
for me!  Grab a vibe and bring it back for me.  Chad...if you find your Pudgie
Pie makers, make one and eat it for me!  Have fun if I dont post an before
then!

Love you all!!
                  Dana

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In a message dated 98-05-22 12:56:54 EDT, you write:

<< at least i didnt have to pay.....
 
 jackiE
  >>

so how does that help 3D get paid?

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Could someone forward me the information on this, please?  I tried looking
it up on the web site, but all it had was the line up.  This can be sent
privately, too.

Thank you heaps and heaps!

hugs & love vibes,
angel O:)

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welp.
after much of my own hype,
coupled with yallz hype(s)...

looks like im gonna be saying "no thank you"
to attending that thang they call 'furthur'.

so, uh, whoever i was sposed to meet up with
fer what.the.hell ever reasons, uh...  well,
i wont be there.  sorry.  well hafta make it
a date some other time.

and fer da rekkid -
yeah, i -do- wanna go.  but am tending to some
stuffs a little more pressing than raving....... . . ..  .

so, uh, all - have fun, get crazy, gather, and transcend.

fer yerselves, as well as fer me.

*hugs*

jawsh!

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*YaY* 
we 
r 
all
hYpEs!!!!!

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Your best bet is to make the trip to Kalamazoo (halfway between Detroit
and Chicago).  It's Black Nation's big Fourth of July Party, Sector
616.  AMAZING lineup.  Outdoor party.  Excellent promoter.  If you can
make it then go.  The details are on the calendar on hyperreal, but if
you can't get on for any reason, e-mail me privately and I'll forward
them to you.


-jeff

Kelli H wrote:

> Hello, kids,
>
> Does anyone know of any cool stuff that will be happening in Chicago
> around July 4?  'cause, I might be there.
>
> thanks,
>   K




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On Tue, 26 May 1998, andrew arnold wrote:

> okay. i was up there for remember, but didn't meet any of you [net meet?
> heh.] but i have a question...
> 
> someone played a great live pa until 4am. and paul told me who it was, but
> for some reason, i can't remember who it was. 

that was dan xanathous....he's "dan" (appropriately enough) on MW....he
has a new tape out too. 

matt


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Eucalptus@aol.com wrote:

> Yea, does anyone know of anything cool going on around here,
> IM in Madison

You might be interested in this-

Somewhere in your backyard, WISCONSIN

EVEN FURTHER
Friday May 29- Monday June 1

http://www.execpc.com/~dropbass
414-256-1733
30 ducketts

onelove.
Noble


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Mike
Email me when you get a chance, preferably before we gather at furthur.


peace
Jesse

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Hello!  Help!

Are there any parties going on in Minneapolis next weekend and the one 
after that?  I won't be living here during the summer.  My summer starts 
June 16.

thanks,
much love,
  K

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I've held out on getting my auto fixed so that i can afford to go to
further, but i've had several rides fall through...so i'm making an appeal
to the good hearted people on this list...

if anyone is passing through or leaving from  the bloomington/indy area
and has an extra spot in their car....puhleeeeeeeeeeeeze drop me a line.
i'd be more than willing to pitch in for gas and help out in anyway that i
can...and i'd love to meet some of the people on the list...

so, if anyone can help out i would be forever indebted and would love you
always....

respect....bob.


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aww, man... my traditional plan is to stuff my car with pop-tarts and
lukewarm beer... tee hee hee. seriously though, I wan't as many of you as
possible eating grossly unhealthy foods such as-------chips, lotsa warm
beer, generic pop-tarts, licorice, beef jerky (3 packages a meal), funny
little red berrys you find on a disseased looking bush, your fellow camper,
little white tabs of blotter paper diped in lsd-25, whatever strong belgian
or german chocolates and last and probably most=that funny looking thing
you found in the floor of your car that looks like a moldy peanut covered
in jism....

happy eating!


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At 05:00 PM 5/26/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Did anyone party in Minneapolis?
>If so, please tell me about it.  
>I went to Edgefest to see Crystal Method.  

well I was the stylish party-hopper this weekend and went to 3 parties on
saturday night.

Familywerks' "We are Family" was pretty crowded. It was in the splatball
place on university. It's been used before but its an alright space.  We
showed up at 10 to hand out furthur flyers and nobody was there.  So we
came back at like midnight and the place was packed.  Probably because if
you got in before 11:30 the party was $15 and then it went up to $20.  Um,
whoever was on first sucked.  Bad mixing, and crappy played out track
selection.  Then Baby Pop played and he was pretty good.  I had kinda
pictured him as being the early morning house music type DJ but he was
playing the right stuff for his timeslot.  We left midway thru his set to
flyer at Mike J's party. (more on that in just a second)  I'd just like to
say minneapolis ravers are funny.  There's nothing I can put my finger on,
there's just something different about them that makes me laugh.  Anyway,
the party wasnt even nearly worht $20 but I got in free so whatever.

Our next stop was only 2 blocks away, where Chernobyl Farms was
unsuccessfully throwing a little $5 party.  At 2am when we walked in there,
maybe 5 people had showed up.  You've gotta feel bad for Mike, but he had
to know that other party was going on.  We stayed there for about 5 minutes.

Then we went to a little house party out in St. Paul.  It was fun.  Someone
gave me Beef Jerky.  mmmmmmm.  :P  I saw a lot of old minneapolis friends
there.  It was a good time.

anyway, thats the saturday night minneapolis/st. paul party roundup.

chris (3 days till furthur)

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Hey all net djs...

I know a lot of you in the past have offered your wares on tape for very
economical prices in the past but I never responded because of my deep
hatred of the mail system.

However, since I forsee a gathering of the multitudes in Wisconsin this
weekend, I would now like to obtain some of your skills on magnetic tape
(none of that MD crap). 

So to all to whom this may apply (thats all jungle, techno, REAL hardcore,
and ambient djs willing to part with a relatively high quality selfmixed 
tape for 3 dollars or under) please email me privately about a meeting
place at furthur to make "the exchange".  Or you can simply look for the
skinny white boy busting up the dance floor with his dope ass break
dancing skills.  Of course he may not know me so a private email would
probably be best.

Eagerly anticipating new sounds, rhythms and people...

Adam Meadows


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In a message dated 5/26/1998 5:14:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
DooDah1069@aol.com writes:

> I cant make it to Furthur guys!!!  Tell me again how you'll still love me!
>  LoL...I am sooo pissed cause I cant make it...everyone make sure you have 
> fun
>  for me!  Grab a vibe and bring it back for me.  Chad...if you find your 
> Pudgie
>  Pie makers, make one and eat it for me!  Have fun if I dont post an before
>  then!
>  
>  Love you all!!
>                    Dana
You aren't alone sweetheart, I also can't make EVEN FURTHER.  I have been
sick, and I have No deniro.  I am dead ass broke!  But gotta give shouts to
Misha (DJ Tsar), Rob (ROBB G), and Andrew (DJ Nokturnal).  SPin well brothas,
and talk to you all soon!

EVeryone party up for me also!

Peace
Love
Jared

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the MW-RAVES special addition.......

                       +POSITIVE THURSDAYS 16+ 
                             5.28.98
                           Chicago, IL
                       free w/ canned food
                             10-2ish
MW-RAVES list members....
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MARK LANCASTER [acid] 1-2     

JON DICA [jungle] 12-1

DJ SPREE [happy hardcore] 10:45-12

MATT POSITIVE [old skool UK hardcore] 10-10:45
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no negativity or glass allowed.....

please come out for a good time......

18 and over with a picture id that resembles the holder of the id....
(underage MW-RAVES members interested in attending, contact me 
privately)
               [positive kids/happy league: 1.773.509.6437]
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Well..I guess I'm not going to be getting rid of my tapes....

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In a message dated 98-05-26 22:32:35 EDT, meadowsa@expert.cc.purdue.edu
writes:

<< So to all to whom this may apply (thats all jungle, techno, REAL hardcore,
 and ambient djs willing to part with a relatively high quality selfmixed 
 tape for 3 dollars or under) please email me privately about a meeting
 place at furthur to make "the exchange".  >>

what's that supposed to mean <<REAL hardcore>>... does that exclude the happy?

...not trying to be offensive... just wondering

eric spex :-)
happytothecore


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From: Adam Leon Meadows <meadowsa@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
To: Midwest Raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Mix tapes.Net DJs.futhur
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Hey all net djs...

I know a lot of you in the past have offered your wares on tape for very
economical prices in the past but I never responded because of my deep
hatred of the mail system.

However, since I forsee a gathering of the multitudes in Wisconsin this
weekend, I would now like to obtain some of your skills on magnetic tape
(none of that MD crap). 

So to all to whom this may apply (thats all jungle, techno, REAL hardcore,
and ambient djs willing to part with a relatively high quality selfmixed 
tape for 3 dollars or under) please email me privately about a meeting
place at furthur to make "the exchange".  Or you can simply look for the
skinny white boy busting up the dance floor with his dope ass break
dancing skills.  Of course he may not know me so a private email would
probably be best.

Eagerly anticipating new sounds, rhythms and people...

Adam Meadows


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I will be at furthur.  

I will have tapes.  People can have tapes for free. Donations of beer or
other things accepted. Supplies are limited. The tape ain't great but hey
its free.

I'll be spinning on matter's sound system, and the BOB-FM system, plus any
other systems I can weasel my way into a timeslot on.

For at least part of the weekend I'll be wearing an UZI DOES IT t-shirt.
it's army green.

I'll be staying in an ultra-plush pop-up camper, courtesy of john/dove
industries, inc.

I have some of those things for cooking sandwiches.

I also will be borrowing a megaphone with 99 pre-programmed songs.

"LA Confidential" is a good movie.

People worried about not taking showers for a weekend are either wimps or
little girls.	

I will forget to bring at least one important item.

my raincoat is blue and white.  I won't forget it.  You would be wise to
not forget yours.

my name is chris.

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Once again the gathering of the tribes is drawing near.  Things are
buzzing.  The bus is waiting for you to get on board...

Furthur is something that is only as potentially special as we all
want to make it.  It's not any single part of the event that defines
it, it's everything taken together as a whole:  it's the sum of
everyone that devotes energy and shares our vision.  Each of us
plays a part that's only as important as we wish it to be.  Furthur
isn't Drop Bass.  Furthur is _you_.

Once again we're celebrating the burning of the Man.  What he means,
and what he means to you are things that can be either tribal and
symbolic, or deeply personal and spiritual.  Spend some time with
him.  Bring something along with you that has special meaning to you
that you might sacrifice.  Think about things that symbolize
transformation, rebirth or change.  Something you wish to put behind
you -- something you want to become forever a part of you.

The symbolism is yours to interpret.  From death springs eternal
life; from ashes, something is created.  You can be anything, this
time around.

Yada yada yada.  On to less existential things.  ;)

Directions should be up on the website by Friday morning, if not
earlier.  It's easier than calling an infoline and writing things
down while listening to someone over the phone, plus it frees up the
line for someone else.  http://www.exepc.com/~dropbass.  Today
(Wednesday) is the last day for presale tickets and there are still
some available.  Revolutions in Milwaukee for sure, I'm not positive
about the other locations; call ahead and check first.

Weather forcasts are never completely accurate.  But from what I've
been seeing lately, things look like it'll be in the 60's - 70's
during the day and in the 50's at night, with maybe a little rain
early Friday and then again late Sunday.  This of course can (and
will) change so be prepared for the worst; this _is_ after all
Furthur.  We've had ice, snow, freezing rain and more mud than you'd
ever care to drag your soggy ass through.  Remember that towel.  

You can camp in your car, but this isn't nearly as much fun and you
won't be allowed to bring your vehicle near where all your other
friends are camping.  Although you get one re-entry, I'll say it
again here because I've been through it there... please plan ahead
and bring as much as you need.  There will be on-site concessions,
but not 24/7 and it's not a convenience store.  It's better to get
things in town, better yet to get them before you leave, and best if
you can prepare as much as you can yourself.  Tastes better, too.

When you're visiting the nearby communities, please try to set an
example and be a positive representative of what we're all trying to
accomplish here.  Courtesy, manners, throughfulness and respect is
something we'd all like to be treated with as human beings --
remember that when you're dealing with the people that are basically
acting as our hosts and neighbors for this weekend.

When driving to Furthur and coming home, realize that you're a law
enforcement officer's wet dream.  Don't give them any reason to mess
with you.  Replace that headlight before you leave.  Wear your
seatbelt.  Take the pirate flag off the antenna.  DON'T BE STUPID.
seatbelt.  Obey the speed limit.  Take the pirate flag off the
antenna.  DON'T BE STUPID.  We will be checking cars at the gate;
take your friends (and tanks) out of the trunk, okay?  No weapons,
no fireworks, no alcohol, no drugs, and no bad vibes, dudes.

While most people that I talked to that went to Furthur last year
had a great time, it obviously wasn't what we all had expected.  We
came together and showed that what is provided for us isn't as
important as what we can provide for ourselves.  Well, this year,
expect a whole lot more.  :)  

Now, the question remains:  what are you going to provide in
return?  See you on the other side...



- Craig

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        If that tape was the same as the one he gave me on Friday, it 
     rocks.  I listened to the whole thing last nite, some of the best acid 
     techno I've heard in awhile.  Thanks for the tape Dan.
     
     rEalm


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On Tue, 26 May 1998, andrew arnold wrote:
     
> okay. i was up there for remember, but didn't meet any of you [net meet? 
> heh.] but i have a question...
> 
> someone played a great live pa until 4am. and paul told me who it was, but 
> for some reason, i can't remember who it was. 
     
that was dan xanathous....he's "dan" (appropriately enough) on MW....he 
has a new tape out too. 
     
matt
     
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 13:44:39 1998
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Howdy Midwesterners :)

I just wanted everyone to know that I will be hauling my video gear up
to even furthur this year as part of what hopes to be the best summer
yet! Drop Bass had the kindness to let me play, so get your
super-wacky-prism-and-other-light-distortion-glasses ready. :D

I will also have these available:

http://www.dlab.com/jasons/videography.html
http://www.dlab.com/jasons/fiesty.html

I will be in St. Louis friday night before my trek up to Furthur - for
that yummy trance party. Then, next week, the video show returns to St.
Louis for Jungle Kombat. Whew!

See y'all on the (dirt) floor! :D
_jason

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May 29th, 1998 - Trancefusion - St. Louis, MO        ]
May 30th, 1998 - Even Furthur - Wisconsin!           ]
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On Tue, 26 May 1998, Adam Leon Meadows wrote:

> So to all to whom this may apply (thats all jungle, techno, REAL hardcore,

Real hardcore as opposed to artificial hardcore. Thank you, please drive 
through. ;)

Plastic hardcore?
Acrylic hardcore?
Synthetic hardcore?

dj noahphex  ::  noahphex@hardcorps.org :: aka. muppetfucker
massive mag  :: happyhardcore list owner:: texas hardcorps
texas hardcorps urban guerilla squad 	:: http://www.hardcorps.org/thugs
http://www.hardcorps.org/noahphex 	:: http://www.massivemag.com
contact me for tapes or booking info	:: vmb: 512.703.8901


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Ok, I'm not the worldz biggest idiot.. but when is Even Further?
Haha.. OK, so what?  I AM the worldz biggest idiot, but still.
Will someone gimme sum 411, cuz I'm kinda stoopid.  LOL.

*~RayCheL*~

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Hello everybody...well after a nice 3 week break i am finally back in the
bizness. LeveL 9.0 Productions presents the hard/progressive trance and
techno show from DJ Tsar. The show will start at 10 PM EST (9 PM CST).. In
order to access the broadcast please go to http://level9.simplenet.com and
follow the instructions :) Email me here if ya need houts n shit :)

Misha


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Yeah, TCM is tha shit.  I seen them when they were in Lawrence Kansas at
the Granada.  Lunatic Calm opened up for them, and just to say a few
words about the Lunatics, they are BAD.  Infact, they might have been
better than TCM.  But still, the absolute BEST show I have ever seen had
to have been the Prodigy's.  Anyone who have seen them live can't
disagree, because that show was just the absolute shit.  The strobes,
the lights, the lasers, the monitors, the dancers.  It was just perfect. 
Too bad people can't get a little more taste and style up their rock and
roll ass and perhaps start having more electronic music shows around the
"good" ol' US of A.  Its like people don't know good original music even
if it jumped out of their ass and bit them in the crotch.  I'm so sick
of rock and alternative bullshit that I can fucking puke.  I hate
towners, and for plur and all that, well, there's times that I could
care less and the defensive part in me kicks in.  When I here someone
say shit like "Techno is crap", and "that shit's easy to do!  All you do
is press a few buttons on a computer!", well, I come out swinging and
don't care who gets in the way.  Fuckem!  You dont respect me, then I
sure as in hell will care less about your ass.  We are the past, the
future, and the present.  Electronic Music is the only real music in my
eye, and thats the way it will be for a LONG while.  Its like innovation
is dead when it comes to music anymore, and electronic is the only still
breathing body when it does come to innovative work.   Everything else
has been done over and over and over and mimicked and mimicked and
mimicked and I'M SICK OF IT!  Fuck Matchbox 20, fuck foo fighters, fuck
marcy's playground, fuck dave mathews band fuck "Puff Dady", and REALLY
fuck that poser ass "anarchist" group chumbawamba..  Society sucks, and
I'm sure will ALWAYS be that way.  Fuck society.  I can do without it.

Just lettin' off some steam,
Infantile-
Brandon Reece

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i had a great time, mad props to matter for bringin me out, everyone else
involved, and all the cool people i met!

might as well review the parties then, since i haven't reviewed a party in a
long time... been busy :P

Friction was the shit.  in an old disco, now a club, in denver... matter &
razor fm tagteamed some hard techno.  the funniest part of the set was when
matter put the record on teh wrong speed!  word!!!  hehe.  all in all, an
awesome set.  :)  then element spun a mix of self-pressed cds, and
records... it was probably one of the most insane things i have heard in a
LONG time.  thank you for the cd... fukn hard and dark jungle and hardcore.
awesome.  i want a tape of that.  then, i went on, and i won't be one to
judge.  i had a great time though, especially when i spun the beastie boys
"girls" and everyone sang the wrong verse at the wrong time.  "jockin mike d
to my dismay!"  that was funny.  then, Dan Efex, everyone's favorite kung-fu
master, spun a really dope set of trance and techno that got the crowd
rockin.  solid!  and finally, x-act closed the nite with a good set of speed
garage and house.  that was the part when dan and i made fun of about 30
dances, watched the strippers, and got on the wireless mic.  but, it was
your typical party.  :P

on saturday, i went to Ear to the Sky, as thrown by an ex-madisonian.
SPEEDY [las vegas]  ripped shit up with some bangin techno, which got a bit
melodic at times.. then GROVER [las vegas] played an awesome trance set,
playing a couple old faves from one of my first mixtapes ever, "feeling
colors."  HUGGIE [los angeles] did his thing with live drummers, which
seemed to go pretty well, but it got a little too epic for my tastes, and
some of the mixes were off.. not the best set i've ever seen him do, but i
sure know he's capable.  :)  then CHAD MINDRIVE [madison] played the
banginest house.  i thought it was gunna be a bit more chill, but it was
cool!  the problem with this party was that carl craig was playing the same
nite, and there was a lack of bodies... coupled with the peeps there who
were all sitting in the theatre seats.  what the fuck?  oh well.  good time
regardless.

beautiful land out there, and the nicest people in the world!  hope to go
there again sometime!

viva mamacitas!

:::::::::::: jon:dica :::::::::: jabraun@students.wisc.edu :::::::::::
:::::::: fridays from 10pm-12am CST on www.msr.org ::::::::
:::::::::::: "pulled the cat out of your grandma's butt... ::::::::::::
::::::::::::: ran to the phone to call pizza hut!"  --dan efex :::::::


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 16:59:25 1998
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They play their entire show off of DAT?  I can't believe that.  Where
did you hear this?  Plus, I know what I said, and it was meant to be a
hypocritical statement.  I'm the "other" part of the spectrum.  They are
the evil, I am the good, both bullheaded, yet I came from their side and
seen the light.  I can talk, they are the ones who aren't open minded
and coform on a whim just to fit in.  I choose to do what I do, and its
not out of fear to be liked by others which is common when it comes to
fraternity's and such.  "Buy our style and we will like you!"  Preps
suck, and I know I sound like them when I say what I say, but thats what
Its meant to be.  I fight for my culture, just like they try and fight
for theirs.  The only difference is that I was once one of "them", and
have seince seen the light of flavaful music.  They put down our style,
I rip on theirs.  Its called Standing up for what you love, and I'm sick
of just taking shit from people at parties and just standing their
thinking "You are worng, everyones opinions vary, and it is wrong to
criticize my opinions"..  Fuck that.  I'm tired of turning the other
cheek.  I feel my self worth is higher than theirs, and to me they dont
mean shit. THATS confidence.  PERIOD.  Thats my defense, thats my right,
and THATS my OPINION, just like they have their fucked up views and
tastes, I guess I do also.  *he he he*

-Infantile
Brandon Reece

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 17:57:03 1998
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furthur weekend is coming up, i cant wait! i havent been on 
the list for a while and i was wondering if there was going 
to b a net meet or what? 


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 18:30:37 1998
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Well, we shall not be close-minded because it makes us look bad. Everybody
should expand their musical taste. I admit that all i used to do b4 i went to
parties and listened to house and techno all the time i went to concerts and
had the time of my life.  Everybody has their roots to "electronic" music. I
can name a bunch of dj's that used to play musical insruments b4 they started
spinning. blahblahblah
im not going to ramble on and on

jackiE

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     TOM CONSTANTINE 
        When we look down the road, I
        would say 10, 15, 20 years from now, in a gradual fashion,
        smoking will probably be outlawed in the United States.
     
     TOM CONSTANTINE There's a difference between
              alcohol and cocaine. There's a difference between alcohol
              and marijuana. Everybody who tries that
              substance_marijuana, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines,
              hashish_does it for one single purpose. They do it for the
              purpose of becoming high. I think that's wrong, and I think
              it's dangerous.
     
     Heres a transcript of the program Sex,Drugs and consenting adults
     
     http://www.abcnews.com/onair/abcnewsspecials/transcripts/specials_stos
     sel980526_trans.html

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 19:49:48 1998
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Just fillin' ya in...

Today on the Olaris Network (eastern time):

4p:   Olaris Live
5p:   Clear Skyes (hosted by Skye, may be the last one for a while)
5:45: Elroy's Power Set

If you can't listen to the live broadcast, hours and hours are in the
archive. 

http://www.radiodistortion.com/olaris/

-Ben / Elroy

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 20:29:57 1998
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From: "Oberle, Michelle" <OberleMK@Maritz.com>
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>From what I've read the past few days, I'm not the only one that is about to
explode w/ excitement.  I have been reading past reviews & reports about
other Furthurs, and planning like crazy for this weekend.

If anyone wants to meet up w/ my fiancee (dj vega) & I, here is what to look
for:

8-Person blue & white tent w/ a blue inflatable alien hanging somewhere
A sign w/ "Angel & Vega" & something else on it (fluorescent poster board)
Lots of stuffed w/ fluff creatures inside the tent
Possibly colorful sparkly wings (I dunno if I want to bring those or not ;)
I'll have sparkly multicolored nail polish on
2 Tiki torches on either side of our tent

That's the basic stuff, could be more, but the sign should do it.  ;)  We
hope to get a spot near Steven J's alien dome tent, but we'll see what's
available Saturday afternoon.

I can hardly tolerate sitting here at work trying to contain myself.  I plan
to get mad wild & major eccentric this weekend (letting my true self out),
so who knows what could happen.  Hm, maybe I'll bring those wings along
after all....hahaha.

See y'all in 3 days!!!!!!!!  WHHHAAAHOOOOO!

hugs & love vibes,
angel O:)

++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++
np:  Tha Lord Vishnu "And then there was One"  <--gave me chills! woo!


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From: Jim Owens <cosmic@habanero.net.uky.edu>
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For those of you that aren't going to FURTHER, (and we support those of 
you that are...) You may want to check out ENCOUNTER, taking place right 
here in Lexington, KY. 

ENCOUNTER is the debut party for ALIENSQUAD, a collective of DJs here in 
the lexington, KY area.  Our goal is to bring the sounds of the midwest to 
the world, and the sounds of the world to the midwest.  This will take some 
time to build up, but this is our first step.

So, for those of you that want to do something on Saturday, May 30th, 
come check out what we got going on.  ENCOUNTER will cost only $7, which 
should be a relief to many, since prices seem to be going up and up.

For your $7 you will get to see the following people at the following times:

COSMIC - drum and bass
10:30-12:00

KELL - funky breaky house
12:00-1:00

TREVOR LAMONT - the soul man!
1:00-2:30

LIL' CORY - ghetto house
2:30-3:30

MUTT - good morning house!
3:30-4:30

Any profit from this party will be dedicated to more events in the 
lexington area.  We want to restore the scene in this area to what it 
once was.  We'll see you there.

For directions call ALIENSQUAD - (606) 296-7800

Also check out our website at www.aliensquad.com


______________________________________________________________________________
Jim Owens                                                pager: (606) 281-7046
Dj Cosmic                                               v-mail: (606) 281-7046 
Aliensquad                                       e-mail: cosmic@aliensquad.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                         "Bass, the vinyl frontier"
______________________________________________________________________________


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     I shouldn't even bother with work this week.  Most of my energy is 
     focused on the opcoming party!
     
     I'll the one running around with a white(why it lasts) glaxo lab coat.
     
>See y'all in 3 days!!!!!!!!  WHHHAAAHOOOOO!
     
>++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--++--+
>+ np:  Tha Lord Vishnu "And then there was One"  <--gave me chills!

Someone into yoga?  
     

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed May 27 21:07:38 1998
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So I'm 2100 miles away from Furthur and I start a new job at 9am that
monday morning. I just couldn't swing it this year. I'm bummed. 

I want to encourage anybody who's not sure to GO! Broke? Don't sweat it.
You won't miss that money. The Furthurs I have attended rank the the
top-five rave events I've ever been to, and I've been to a lot. I can't
put into words what the community gathering that is Further means to me,
but it means a lot. This is one of those "if you go to one party this
year..." sort of things. 

Go. Dance. Build community. Have fun.

jeff




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I'm going to bring a heap of name tags (& markers) for us, so keep an eye
out for my tent (there will be a sign w/ "Angel & Vega" on it).  

O:)  See ya there!

> ----------
> From: 	kikfreak[SMTP:junglist@concentric.net]
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> 
> furthur weekend is coming up, i cant wait! i havent been on 
> the list for a while and i was wondering if there was going 
> to b a net meet or what? 
> 

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Well, although I don't post to the list very often, I wanted to let ya'll
know that I, along with the others from the Zoop crew in Rapid City, SD
will be present at Furthur. We will have(hopefully) a flag which has ZOOP
scrawled on it flying over our campsite. If anyone happens to notice it,
come say Hi! 

Excited for this weekend!
Brian e
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'Sup, peeps?

  Some of you may have been to the Transmissions RealAudio archive 
hosted by Plus8. Does anyone know where I can find this stuff on CD? I 
already have Vol. 1, which Plus8 sells themselves, but I can't find any 
of the other stuff online :(

 Peace,


   _   ___  ____          o  ____ "You can take the cat from
 __))  ))_   ))  __  __   _   ))   the jungle, but never the
((_(  ((_   ((  (|  ((_) ((  ((    jungle from the cat."








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Everyone involved in making the decision on who to pick for working on 
the new site appreciates all the responses we received.  If you haven't 
yet heard from us then you weren't chosen to help out, directly.  Thanks 
so much for responding!  I'll announce next week who is doing what and 
how to reach them and such.

One thing that's already been determined is that whatever comes of 
the site will and *needs* to be a much more collaborative effort.  This 
work won't necessarily only be taken care of by the five people we've 
chosen.  What we want to do is take Ed Luna's idea of city-based areas of 
the web site and make them even more specific to scenes and crews and the 
like in each area, city or region of the midwest.  We all saw the 
statistics that Craig posted so in order to deal with the immensity of 
the midwest this approach seems appropriate.

Over the next few weeks, and especially at Furthur this weekend, we'll be 
working with the five people we picked to try to create a 
plan on how to have people write for us and report on what's going on in 
their area/scene and what they see.  Obviously, this sort of work will 
take a lot of writing skills as we'll be holding our midwest massive out 
to the world for perusal.

So, if you're at all interested in writing about your city or who is 
doing what in the scene around you regarding DJs, producers, promoters 
etc., then let me know and more importantly let's meet at Furthur and 
talk.  You'll have to go to a LOT of parties and know people working with 
the music you're interested in.  Think of this job as a sort of stringer, 
like someone who writes for Rolling Stone (blech!) now and then and also 
gets published in other magazines.  Of course, we can't pay you anything 
but if you're already fairly entrenched in some aspect of this thing we 
call electronic dance music culture (no, I don't want to make an 
abbreviation for that) then why not write about it and get your thoughts 
out there?

Also, there is no reason that this portion of the site can't even be 
carried into the real/print world.  Remember, like has been said 
recently, 'we' are a minority in the midwest scene.  Most people don't 
have computers but would greatlly benefit from what happens online.  I 
think one of the things we can even work towards is distributing info 
regarding how to obtain inexpensive computers with just enough horsepower 
to get someone on the 'net.  But that's a horse of a different color.

See you this weekend!

- Steven



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
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In a message dated 98-05-27 07:52:18 EDT, archon@execpc.com writes:

<< When driving to Furthur and coming home, realize that you're a law
<< enforcement officer's wet dream.  Don't give them any reason to mess
<<with you.  Replace that headlight before you leave.  Wear your
<<seatbelt.  Take the pirate flag off the antenna.  DON'T BE STUPID.
<<seatbelt.  Obey the speed limit.  Take the pirate flag off the
<< antenna.  DON'T BE STUPID.  We will be checking cars at the gate;
<< take your friends (and tanks) out of the trunk, okay?  No weapons,
<< no fireworks, no alcohol, no drugs, and no bad vibes, dudes. >>


Ya, that's no joke~  At Rave'm @ Bail-e two years ago, I talked to a quite a
few people who all got pulled over for having something hanging from
their rearview mirror.  Might wanna take down the pine tree air freshner or
other assorted goodies hanging there.....

Peace~

Darian

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I just want to make sure I'm clear on this... 
We won't be able to park next to where we pitch our tents?!  
Can we drive to our site, unload our stuff, and then park?  (I've got
a 4WD)

Tam

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> won't be allowed to bring your vehicle near where all your other
> friends are camping...

> - Craig
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>They play their entire show off of DAT?  I can't believe that.  Where
>did you hear this

Watch them closely next time, hell.. when I saw them, they didn't even have
the
DIN jack on their 303 plugged in... I guess they have a high respect for the
intelligence of their fans (then again... neither do I ;)...

o0o[qiB.]o0o






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Regarding Satan and the scene:

    "In the course of an investigation of certain heroic
figures--lone resisters to the Nazi regime--I found that
prophetic dreams and even hallucinatory experiences during
waking hours could occur in individuals who are clearly
not psychotic.  I concluded that the ability to create, in
extreme situations, the fantasy of being supported by a
godlike omnipotent figure should be evaluated as belonging
to the assets of a healthy psychological organization."

     --Heinz Kohut in The Restoration of the Self

Shake it like ol' 666 has got ya by the tail.

CU@EF,

Mark Joseph
Brain Pharm


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see i told u

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On Wed, 27 May 1998, Craig Stodolenak wrote:

> Now, the question remains:  what are you going to provide in
> return?  See you on the other side...

i've been talking smack for a while now about the awesomeness of chai, so
here's an opportunity for any curious peepz to try it out. i'm brewing
some as i type, and will be bringing supplies to make enough all weekend.
in case you have no idea what i'm talking about: chai is a spice tea from
india. it keeps me healthy (among other things) and warms the belly. it
can be served plain or with milk, though i'll be using soy milk. so, um
yeah, try it, you might like it :)

=jes

oh yeah....i'll be at furthur this weekend *uh huh*.

WOOHOOOOOO!!!!
(shitte, that's the first time i've used caps in like a year.....must be
excited or sumthin ;)

can't wait to see all you peeps and boogie down!

n.p. phantom @ furthur '96


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yupyupyup.

them 5.0 aint no joke.

i was at a rave.em.n.bail as well, and we got our car searched simply cuz
we had stickers "obstructing the view".  and yes, thats why.  as we were
not speeding, had our belts on, all lights, tabs, etc were in order.

watch ya self...

jawsh!

np: living.sacrifice - 'non.existent'

>Ya, that's no joke~  At Rave'm @ Bail-e two years ago, I talked to a 
>quite a
>few people who all got pulled over for having something hanging from
>their rearview mirror.  Might wanna take down the pine tree air 
>freshner or
>other assorted goodies hanging there.....

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On Wed, 27 May 1998, dj noahphex wrote:

> On Tue, 26 May 1998, Adam Leon Meadows wrote:
> 
> > So to all to whom this may apply (thats all jungle, techno, REAL hardcore,
> 
> Real hardcore as opposed to artificial hardcore. Thank you, please drive 
> through. ;)
> 
> Plastic hardcore?
> Acrylic hardcore?
> Synthetic hardcore?


I thought that adjective would get a rise out of a few people on this
list.  It was merely in jest, as I do not judge the music you listen to
to be inferior to mine.  But evidently, even thoug, you scoff at the term
REAL, everyone knew what I meant since the three people who responded to
this email aare all well known happy-hardcore fellows. I guess I should
have said unhappy hardcore but that just sounds stupid.

Isnt happy hardcore an oxymoron or something.  Ah well we all know words
are for the uncool.

Beep-Beep

Adam Meadows


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Evolution presents the next one night stand featuring


JOSH WINK


One Night Stand
Friday June 26th, 1998
Louisville KY

Josh Wink  OVUM, sony music, the man behind Higher States of Consciousness,
Are you ready, Don't laugh and a whole pile of other cool shit will be
spinning an extended 3 hr set.

Benman  --  blowin' things up MC style

plus a couple more TBA

tickets $12 advance/$15 at the door.
Limited advance tickets available at Better days records

for more info  502.569.1969






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ok here's the deal, i dont know if any of you have been to 
the www.wbs.net raver's room they got goin, but me and a 
few people from there are going to go to furthur (weve 
never met, so its going to be super dope!) and a few more 
people are going to have a "netmeet" on friday, at 10p.m. 
near the Radio tent, one of the girls that goes to wbs.net 
says it will be easy to find, so lets hope so, if anyone 
here has a better idea, post it, also......check out the 
ravers room in wbs.net, it can be found in the music 
section, ALSO! check out #rave on irc, its the bomb!!!


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There is supposedly another in the series coming out by Felix da
Housecat, but I dunno what the status on it is.  I've seen the artwork
and track listings, so something exists...

Tosh


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of the other stuff online :(

 Peace,>>

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> > You can camp in your car, but this isn't nearly as much fun and you
> > won't be allowed to bring your vehicle near where all your other
> > friends are camping...
>
> I just want to make sure I'm clear on this... 
> We won't be able to park next to where we pitch our tents?!  
> Can we drive to our site, unload our stuff, and then park? 

There will be a smaller parking/camping area for those who wish to 
camp out of their cars.  Otherwise, we have a place where all the
other cars will be parked and then people will have to carry their
gear to wherever they're camping.  No drop-offs.




- Craig

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Tosh Cooey wrote:
>There is supposedly another in the series coming out by Felix da
>Housecat, but I dunno what the status on it is.  I've seen the >artwork 
and track listings, so something exists...
>
 

  Thanks - I hope it's available soon, and the rest too.

  BTW, Tosh - really good work at Consumed! All the peeps I know that 
came had a really good time, me included. We didn't leave until 
about 6:40 am :) 


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ok, everyone go here, http://www.rave-net.com/chat i came 
across it by accident, and theres like no1 that goes to 
this chatroom, so i figured we could use it as our own! it 
runs fast, its not in real time, but its still good! CHECK 
IT OUT! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>They play their entire show off of DAT?  

Would someone nicely explain what that is?

thanks,
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>>>They play their entire show off of DAT?  
>
>Would someone nicely explain what that is?

basically, its pre.recorded and they pretend to play live.

jawsh!

np: gang.starr - 'moment.of.truth'

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Hopefully this will be the last revision. 

-----

Friday, May 29th-31st, 1998 Dynamic Groove
is proud to present the 2nd annual

DYNAMIC GROOVE SOUND SYSTEM

located in the Sound System Village @
EVEN FURTHUR 1998

Featuring the talent of:

Friday:
---
12:30 pm Jay-C (Drum & Bass)
1:30 pm Helix (Techno)
2:30 pm R-yn (Drum & Bass)
3:30 pm Funky Diabetic (Electro/Acid House)
4:30 pm Druid (Trance & Techno)                                          
                                  
5:30 pm Steven J (Trance & Techno)
6:30 pm Steven Kaye (Trance & House)
7:30 pm Johnsin (Drum & Bass)
8:30 pm Mindrive (Techno/House/Trance)
9:30 pm Dan Efex (Techno & Trance)

Saturday:
---
11:30 am J-Sun (Ambient/Experimental)
12:30 pm MikeyD (D&B/Experimental)
1:30 pm Dica (Drum & Bass)
2:30 pm Dan X (House)
3:30 pm DJ Invisible (Techno)
4:30 pm Fiz (Techno)
5:30 pm Fishead (Gabber/Hardcore)
6:30 pm Ken & Karl Meier (Techno & House)
7:30 pm Bliss (Trance) 
8:30 pm Deepstar (Drum & Bass)
9:30 pm Casper (Drum & Bass)

Sunday:
---
11:30 am Kent Christopher (House)
12:30 pm Dove (Speed Garage)                                             
   
1:30 pm Jace (House)                                           
2:30 pm David Siska (Techno)
3:30 pm Pressboard (Live-Hard Acid Noise)
4:30 pm Kid Entropy (Drum & Bass)
5:30 pm Pretty Boy Netti (Drum & Bass)
6:30 pm Mindflux (Drum & Bass)                                           
                   
7:30 pm Mark Lancaster (D&B/Hardcore/Experimental)
8:30 pm Special Guest
9:30 pm Special Guest

5000 Watts of Electro-Voice MT & Peavey Sound plus
Intelligent Lighting by Dynamic Sound & Lighting.

For official Even Furthur information contact:
Drop Bass Network - 414.256.1733
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For Dynamic Groove information contact:
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In a message dated 98-05-27 19:42:06 EDT, archon@execpc.com writes:

<< There will be a smaller parking/camping area for those who wish to 
 camp out of their cars.  Otherwise, we have a place where all the
 other cars will be parked and then people will have to carry their
 gear to wherever they're camping.  No drop-offs. >>


OMG!!!!!! we have to walk!!!! are they crazy?  we dont walk anywhere, 
were not phisically fit enough to walk any distance with our stuff, man, 
I hope they got some 4 wheelers or flatbed trucks to help us carry our
stuff, I dont want to hurt my back, and now I have to make sure I bring enough
flex-all 44, my walking stick. Some Dr. Schols for my corns and bunions and
shit. Man, doesnt drop bass realize wweve been doing this furthur thing for
way
too many years now to be walking?  whats next, were gonna have to pick up
after
ourselves or something, then what?????  

n.p. richie live at kiss the sky

(not really, but I would be listening to it right
now to get all psyched if someone did tape it)

n.p.  hipp-e live @ dexagon

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[art.is.dead] was originally scheduled to be released in printed form at
this years [furthur] event, but due to some circumstances beyond my
control, it as well as myself, will not be in attendance.

watch for the first printed version of [art.is.dead] at another big
midwest rave sometime in the relatively near future.

and remain in touch with us here at [art.is.dead] via our e.mail address:

art.is.dead@juno.com

as well as through the website, which is nearly 100% functional:

http://members.tripod.com/~art_is_dead/

thanks for all the support and suggestions in the short past weve had,
currently, and in the future.  it means the world.

have fun and go furthur.............. ... . . . . .   .  .

jawsh! [art.is.dead]

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exactly how well do they check the cars?
dig my rift?

od 


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if ya got everyting in odor will they pull ya over just cus you look young?
also do they check drivers licenses at da door?

At 07:04 PM 5/27/98 EDT, you wrote:
>yupyupyup.
>
>them 5.0 aint no joke.
>
>i was at a rave.em.n.bail as well, and we got our car searched simply cuz
>we had stickers "obstructing the view".  and yes, thats why.  as we were
>not speeding, had our belts on, all lights, tabs, etc were in order.
>
>watch ya self...
>
>jawsh!
>
>np: living.sacrifice - 'non.existent'
>
>>Ya, that's no joke~  At Rave'm @ Bail-e two years ago, I talked to a 
>>quite a
>>few people who all got pulled over for having something hanging from
>>their rearview mirror.  Might wanna take down the pine tree air 
>>freshner or
>>other assorted goodies hanging there.....
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alls ya alls look for me, I be wearin a black shirt o a green windbreaker
that says OD or DOG on it in duct tape...

od

At , you wrote:
>ok here's the deal, i dont know if any of you have been to 
>the www.wbs.net raver's room they got goin, but me and a 
>few people from there are going to go to furthur (weve 
>never met, so its going to be super dope!) and a few more 
>people are going to have a "netmeet" on friday, at 10p.m. 
>near the Radio tent, one of the girls that goes to wbs.net 
>says it will be easy to find, so lets hope so, if anyone 
>here has a better idea, post it, also......check out the 
>ravers room in wbs.net, it can be found in the music 
>section, ALSO! check out #rave on irc, its the bomb!!!
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"We are 3"..days that it to furthur, yes furthur.  I am looking forward 
to seeing every single one of you at furthur.  You may ask yourself "Is 
he talking to me?!"  The answer is yes yes yes!!

I'm buying a box geeze load of ramen noodles, so find me, and i'll give 
ya a pack!  That's right.....*FREE RAMEN NOODLES TO ANYONE WHO 
ASKS!!!!!*

I'll be the guy near the big tent wearing a visor and adidas coat.  Some 
of you may know me, mainly just chrise and dica, and they already got my 
last supply of oatmeal pies at Rite of Spring.

So meet me, shake hands, and boil up some Ramen fun!

*while supplies last


PEACE!
jesse
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 03:08:17 1998
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Hi there.  I Just joined the list (I used to be a mtn-raver, but I am
living near Sioux Falls for the summer...)

I'm new to this list and don't yet know anybody, but I look forward to
meeting some of you at "Even Further" this weekend.

Well, now that I've introduced myself...

P.L.U.R.
--Jay Carlson


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 03:21:23 1998
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As a reminder...

Melissa, Steven Kaye and I will be arriving at Furthur mid-afternoon, 
Friday.  Within an hour or so of arriving we'll have our 16' white dome 
tent up.  It's been somewhat agreed upon that we'll be using this as a 
landmark for mw-raves net.meets.  Believe me, from the response at last 
year's event it will be easy to locate.

Be prepared.

- Steven



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 03:21:46 1998
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Ok, DAT is a form of digital recording.. basically they pop a tape into a
player,
press play and then pretend to really jack it on their gear...
Alot of major acts play like this
(like Union Jack, just to name one.. anybody catch them at
Transmission in Dayton ohio a few years ago? at that show they didn't
even *have* a sequencer at all...)

Is this a bad thing? Depends on who-what and why... some people's studios
are
to large to be hauled out every night to recreate a album and
it is possible to synchronise DAT audio with live audio... so only a portion
of the instruments (typically the background ambience) gets played off tape.

*qiBbish note: Union Jack and the Crystal Meth.OD do not play like this, all
of their shit is off DAT*...

Stockhausen used to
do tape compositions, does this make his shite worthless? yes, no... maybe
so..
you decide (if you can even notice.. seems to be only geeks like myself that
can
spot the *real* thing =)..

hope this helped...

o0o[qiB.]o0o

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 03:27:11 1998
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Awe yeah baby, the time has come to announce the (sort of) second
installment of the of the annual Massive/bEAN camp at Even Furthur.
Settling on a garbage theme this year, we will have all the talented
locals that you have come to know and hate plus a few suprise guests.
Other attractions will be midnight showings of the movies "Car Wash and
"Pink Flamingos" among other fine works of art. There will be a Johnny
Cash power hour mid-afternoon each day as well as a piniata' bashing
sometime during the weekend. Many, many more suprises are schedueled for
the weekend. So, please stop by and be prepared to laugh, be motivated
or be distgusted.

Martin bEAN

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All right kids, after much deliberation, I have decided to go to
Furthur...first year of the last three I've planned to go where it looks
like it's actually going to work out.  It also looks like I might be going
by myself unless my infamous from from DesMoines gets off his ass and calls
me....which means I have a 5-man tent w/ one person sleeping in it.  So if
any of you are sitting back freaking out thinking...'Ohmigod...I don't have
a tent, maybe I'll just have to sleep in my car...'  I'm willing to share
some space w/ you if you're nice to me...sexual favors accepted.  :P  *heh
heh*


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 03:52:33 1998
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>Of course, we can't pay you anything
>but if you're already fairly entrenched in some aspect of this thing we
>call electronic dance music culture (no, I don't want to make an
>abbreviation for that) then why not write about it and get your thoughts
>out there?


Humm... I agree with the majority of what you stated within this post,
except for
calling it "Electronic Dance Music Kultcha".  I'm not sure if this
quote-unquote
all enclusive generality will be applied to the site, but if those thoughts
are looming
in your head, I'll be the first to vote against it....
(the reason being that "DANCE" music isn't the only form of
electronic music within our scene...)
ambient might nearly be dead, but that doesn't mean it has taken
its last breath...

o0o[qiB.]o0o

(btw- I'm not a ambient-ist, but I feel that our site should reflect the
total spectrum.. hell... why not let the avant types have some fun ;)...

qiBbish note: Steven J? I believe I may have met you once in dayton now that
I
think about it... did you have a friend named Benny (ben.. whatever, chunky
guy that
loved grind pants, Hawaiian shirts and flaming like a maltov) that moved
from
Milwaukee down here? if so, I could get you back in contact with him (that
is, if your
the Steven J that got featured in massive a few years ago, and has a radio
show..
or is that Steven K?... humm)

later..




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s'up yallz!  just wanted to let any interested persons know what to look
fer if ya wanna meet me at furthur.  i'll be wearing sum kinda bright
orange hoodie contraption and prolly a pair of black grind cargos.  maybe
a funny black hat, too.  my tent, that will smell faintly of nag champa,
will prolly be pitched near angel's.  hope to meet many of you there!  
oh, to those who can't go, i hope you have a safe/fun tweekend.  furthur
prolly won't be all that anyway.  yeah... right  ;-)~

~hugs & kisses~
    ~prugh~

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I think you guys have set some really high expectations for Furthur.  I hope
that it will be "all that", but as for me, I'm staying home, maybe meet up
with some friends I haven't seen for a while or go to a house party or
something.  Too much goddamn hype for me.

Brett

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just curious....anyone else out there planning on bringing a drum? my
djembe will be in attendance fo sho, and drums like company, so keep out
an ear or two......

also, random thought: the day before last years l'il furthur was the last
time i shaved my head bald. i've contented myself by letting it grow at
least till i leave for sydney, but with this weekend coming up, them
clippers are getting itchin.....wouldn't wanna be mistaken for a
long.haired.hippie or nuthin (heh) :P

so: don't be surprised if you see a bald headed fool running around
banging on her drum. in fact, come say hi and ask for chai, maybe i'll
give you a sticker or something ;)

=jes


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well, LOOK FOR THE BIG WHITE TENT! this is where we'll be 
hooking up, ill tell my friends from wbs. ;p cant wait!
10pm. friday!!!!!! be there or be square! ;]


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On Wed, 27 May 1998, FRANK SCI wrote:

> Humm... I agree with the majority of what you stated within this post,
> except for
> calling it "Electronic Dance Music Kultcha".  I'm not sure if this
> quote-unquote
> all enclusive generality will be applied to the site, but if those thoughts
> are looming
> in your head, I'll be the first to vote against it....
> (the reason being that "DANCE" music isn't the only form of
> electronic music within our scene...)
> ambient might nearly be dead, but that doesn't mean it has taken
> its last breath...

Well, I thought it was obvious that I wasn't trying to sum up everything 
about 'us' in one easily stated phrase.  It popped into my head and I 
said it.  If you can think of anything else feel free to contribute.

> (btw- I'm not a ambient-ist, but I feel that our site should reflect the
> total spectrum.. hell... why not let the avant types have some fun ;)...

And it will if people with these likes will step forward and write about 
it.  But if you browse hyperreal.org you'll find a LOT of info about all 
of the electronic music you can think of.  I was thinking more along the 
lines of how to use the web site to sort of put whatever we can 
write/find/make about the midwest scene in one place online; and I don't 
think I ever said anything about leaving out any genre or sub-genre of
electronic music.
 
> qiBbish note: Steven J? I believe I may have met you once in dayton now that
> I
> think about it... did you have a friend named Benny (ben.. whatever, chunky
> guy that
> loved grind pants, Hawaiian shirts and flaming like a maltov) that moved
> from
> Milwaukee down here? if so, I could get you back in contact with him (that
> is, if your
> the Steven J that got featured in massive a few years ago, and has a radio
> show..
> or is that Steven K?... humm)

I think you met Steven Kaye but I knew Benny when he lived in Milwaukee.  
Write me privately with contact info for him as I know Steven Kaye will 
also want to get in touch with him.  It's been *ages*, thanks.

- Steven



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
http://barkingcat.org		|	- William of Occam (c1285-1349)


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well,  sorta, check out http://www.rave-net.com/chat the 
page looks like its in chinese, but just click the button 
at the bottom, then you should go to a first screen, here 
you type in youre handle, then you go to a second page, 
where youre handle appears attop a data input field, (a box 
where you type) type youre message and voila! youre 
chatting! COME ON! show youre support and check it out! 
tomorrow at 1 pm! in this chatroom! well talk about the net 
meet and stuff! and what rags every1 will b wearin so we 
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Here is some general party/ Kraftwerk info for Chicago...

later,

        o0o[qiB.]o0o
-----Original Message-----
From: KULTBOX@aol.com <KULTBOX@aol.com>
To: fmsci@email.msn.com <fmsci@email.msn.com>; analogue@hyperreal.org
<analogue@hyperreal.org>
Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: kraftwerk?and other useless stuff.....


>In a message dated 98-05-27 23:59:45 EDT, fmsci@email.msn.com writes:
>
><<
> Ok.. I'm a moron, I know.. but I need the date for the Chicago show
again...
>
> Thanx...
>
>Wedsday JUNE 10TH 8:00PM
>RIVIERA
>4746 NORTH RACINE CHICAGO
>
>its a miller genuine draft show....rock on!  for all of you out-of
>-towners...make sure you park your car in a secured parking lot if u wanna
>make it home ;)  it can be a fun neighborhood... Cabs cab be tricky in this
>area also....cuz its a wedsday nite...so plan ahead...
>
>Make sure all you AHers have on thoze shirts so i know who to stay away
>from....you guys scare me......
>
>as for me....ill have on my one peice "sprockets" style uni-tard...so i
should
>be easy to pick out......
>
>i have heard NOTHING about this show in the chicago press...so this should
be
>interesting.....has anyone else?
>
(> >btw- rob (from kultbox), is that afterhours still on?)-QIB...
>
>this is a tricky one.....since the show is on a wedsday night this really
>sux...cuz people like me have real jobs..the rock and roll life style just
>dont pay the bills...
>
>im trying to hi-jack a chineese resturant with a sound system near the
>venue..but dont count on it...i have to be at my office at 6am....I WISH
THIS
>SHOW WAS ON A WEEKEND!
>
>for late nite wedsday i suggest RED DOG (in wicker park near the kultbox
world
>headquarters) or the ever popular Smart Bar....these are open till 5-6
am....
>
>For those visiting chicago this summer......we ARE doing a bunch of FREE
>ghetto parties called "The Drugs Don't Work!"   They are/will be held at
>random in mostly abandon subway stations...so keep you ear's open....its th
e
>only way we can keep the cops at bay...without them trying to shut us
>down.....back to the underground folks......im getting too old 4 this....
>
>On a legal note: Tommorrow night at LIARS CLUB.....
>Cosmic Breaks Recordings and semiconscious present:
>
>SHAOLIN STYLE - - - session four
>with selectors:
>D.J. ROCKENSCHAUB
>From Vienna Austria, this visual artist takes time out from his Chicago
>Project Room gallery opening for an audio art assault, check the sprockets
>vibe.
>
>KID ENTROPY
>the Raw diggedy Daddy Hex, breaking hearts and slapping headz
>
>CHAMBERWEED
>Cosmic Breaks president, Brockout resident, predicting a deep and heavy
>summer
>NATTY
>Cosmic Breaks scientist, roots maestro, nicin' up ya area
>on the mic:
>M.C. Kid Entropy (working doubletime on the night)
>M.C. Think (Blue Collar Scholar, clown prince of chi-town drum and bass)
>The D.L. Lover (giving away kisses to all the ladies)
>Thursday May 28th
>The Liar's Club
>1665 W. Fullerton (one block west of Ashland)
>21+ 9-2AM Chicago, U.S.A.
>
>and on friday.....
>
>Cosmic Breaks Recordings, Dimwit Clothing and Q-Studios present:
>THE DIMWIT SUMMER DEBAUCH
>with selectors:
>NATTY
>KID ENTROPY
>CHAMBERWEED
>SILVER
>CITRUS
>RANKING BARNABAS
>TAVIST D
>
>Friday May 29th
>Q-Studios, Chicago, U.S.A.
>This party celebrates the release of Dimwit's Summer line, There will be a
>runway show at midnight, with good food, drinks, and other inebriates in an
>amazingly beautiful space. As this is a private event, those interested in
>attending should R.S.V.P. at (773) 486-2907
>
>ALSO on sunday's for all those out side of chicago.....checkout LAB
>RADIO....last sunday we did audio-deconstruction broadcast LIVE for free
for 8
>hours....
>
>we started at 6pm......and went live on the internet till 1:00 am...just
>improving on our synths....the setup was as follows:
>
>virus
>pro one
>cx-5
>2 cd players
>1 turntable
>protools
>short wave radios
>AND lots of beer.......
>
>this was the first time i was invited to do lab radio....it was a
blast...the
>lab guys are the ones that bring u quality events like the Survival
Reaserch
>Lab events FREE on the net....check them out at: www.thelab.base.org
>
>ta.
>robbi
>kultbox chicago
>www.eshark.com/kultbox




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As a service to the US Raving massive...

This week on BPM: Jumping Jack Frost and Bryan Gee from V Recordings UK! 
If you are outside of the listening area, you can listen to the show 
through real audio at our webpage:

http://www.wnyu.org/bpm

Below is the official BPM advert.

If you have any questions or comments, please e-mail gan3@columbia.edu 
(not the e-mail address this is coming from because it can't be read!)

Peace,
Gregory Neu
BPM

*****************************************************************
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PLANET V ON BPM!!!
    (2nd edition)
featuring

   JUMPING JACK FROST
&
   BRYAN GEE
from V recordings (UK)

       All of you Drum & Bass Headz out there, get ready to tape the 
show, this is a worldwide exclusive and it's taking place every last 
thursday of the month - live and direct from downtown Manhattan-

   plus a special set by

    -TOM GRIN-

giveaways: tix for SASHA & DIGWEED @ TWILO on May 29th

tix for PAUL OAKENFOLD @ VINYL on June 11th (courtesy of Giant Step)

V CLASSICS VOL.2 Cd's to WIN!

Do Not Forget our Special Aniversary party taking place at TWILO on Fri. 
June 19th, reply to this mail with your full name and i will put you on 
the BPM list.

This summer looks good for BPM with guest dj's such as: Roy Davis Jr; 
The F111 rec. posse, Q Burns Abstract Message, Dj Tomas (SF), PLANET 
V........ more to be announced.

Thanks for the strong support ---- i mean it!
peace, Neil Aline 212-560-4886

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anybody wanna trade me a operational Octave Cat SRM (version a/b/2)
for my pro-1?

Ok... later ;)...

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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At 10:50 PM 5/27/98, ~Koog~~Killer of Sheep...and Men~ wrote:
>All right kids, after much deliberation, I have decided to go to
>Furthur...first year of the last three I've planned to go where it looks
>like it's actually going to work out.  It also looks like I might be going
>by myself unless my infamous from from DesMoines gets off his ass and calls
>me....which means I have a 5-man tent w/ one person sleeping in it.  So if
>any of you are sitting back freaking out thinking...'Ohmigod...I don't have
>a tent, maybe I'll just have to sleep in my car...'  I'm willing to share
>some space w/ you if you're nice to me...sexual favors accepted.  :P  *heh
>heh*
>
well i am back on the list and am going to further i think we have 3
carloads going with us from the ames/des moines crew as well :) Bringing dj
rek with me too so if anyone has an extra slot he is an awesome house/speed
garage dj, i'll bring records too but i suck and no one likes cybertrance
in the midwest anyways so it doesn't matter :) Anyways I am so stoked about
coming out.  If things go as planned we should have a 20 person tent so
have room if tracies gets crowded :) Come up and say hi to me if you like,
i have a nosering in my left nose and tattoos of a eclipse on my left arm,
my hands are tattooed too and a ring of black and green flames on my right
wrist and some other tattoos on my upper arms that will prolly be covered
and i have shaved sides with a long pony tail. Any plans for a
cleansing/starting ritual friday to start the weekend off right? It would
be a great idea i think and would be glad to lend energy towards it...
love&light,
-jeffz


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martin manry wrote:
> 
> Other attractions will be midnight showings of the movies "Car Wash 
> and "Pink Flamingos"

you are all invited to drop your pants, spread your cheeks and sphincter
synch along with the Surfin' Bird during the party scene...

"hey ho!  let's go!"

-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
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The following is an taken from Mixmag's interview with
Richie Hawtin, slightly edited in a couple places (to make
sense).  Food for Furthur thought.

Speaking of a connection, the core of Richie Hawtin's
fanbase are the Midwest kids who will drive all night to
go to a party that's often packed with a bill full of top
European acts often forgot about by the clubs in bigger
cities.  Sure, Chicago and Detroit have played a major
role in his evolution, but more than ever it's
working-class cities like Milwaukee, Cincinnati and
Madison which have the most open ears and feet in the
nation.  "Not to diss anyone else's scene, but the Midwest
has it going on," beams Hawtin.  "Nothing's perfect, but
compared to everywhere else in America, they have amazing
parties with great line-ups.  The Midwest is in tune with
this music more so than anywhere else in America.  I think
sometimes big cities like New York fall prey to themselves
because they're so 'cool' and there's so much going on.
In the Midwest, there's not that much to do and people are
used to going out and searching for things.  They're used
to not getting things served on a silver platter and don't
have club nights every night of the week like New York,
L.A. or Toronto."
<snip>
    A DJ who's played all over the world, it'll always be
the Midwest which will be Hawtin's second home.  Hawtin
starts talking about a party in Madison, Wisconsin which
he played at a few weeks ago.  It was one of those nights
every DJ lives for as he felt like he could do just about
anything on the decks and the floor would just eat it up.
"I even played 'Spastik' that night and I never play it.
Some guy had it in his crate.  I took these people all
over the place and they stuck with me for the whole
night.  When the lights went on in the morning, it was
packed.  I went from 140bpm to 98bpm, I had my effects and
my 909 going all over the place.  They stuck with me (so
much) that I felt like I had to give them something they
knew.  That's what I'm going to continue.  I don't care if
I lose some people on that album.  The people who were
there at that party and at parties around the world who
truly get it are going to put up with this album
(Consumed) until they get it or appreciate it."


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In a message dated 5/27/1998 10:07:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
noahphex@happy.hardcorps.org writes:

> > So to all to whom this may apply (thats all jungle, techno, REAL hardcore,
>  
>  Real hardcore as opposed to artificial hardcore. Thank you, please drive 
>  through. ;)
>  
>  Plastic hardcore?
>  Acrylic hardcore?
>  Synthetic hardcore?
HAHAHAHA that was I guessed deserved to that poor guy... that was good Noah!

Peace
Jared

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The lineup for the Dynamic Groove Sound System @ Even Furthur '98 can be
found at:

	www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik/furthur.html

This is the most current, updated information on our lineup.  If there
are any changes, they will be listed here.  Print it up and keep it with
you so you don't miss anything.

See everyone on Friday...

	Joe
________________________________________________________________
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dgroove@juno.com - www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik
414-777-DYNAMIC
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 12:19:43 1998
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From: S K I N N E R <skinner@skinner.org>
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question to the list about reasons for raving, vibe, and plur plur plur plur..

I ask: How many of you are in it for the Music? You are here just to support
the music and the other stuff is an added bonus.. If all the extras were gone
but the music was still there, would that be all that you need?
either discuss on the list or in private.. I just don't want to think I am
alone ;-)

My opinion has changed over the last 6+ years I have been going to parties. My
first two years I was a loser rave nerd who didn't know jack.. From 93 to now
I have dedicated my "spare" time to the music and a little to the "scene." I
was discussing with some people who are extremely important to the music you
listen to (not naming names) and we all agreed our primary love is for the
Music. So we became optimistic.. (skinner? really? no way..).. What if the
"scene" became "mainstream" (like its not now).. Would that really be bad? Any-
one can listen to the music--is that bad? More money to support the artists--
is that bad? Would replacing the drug dealing gangsta playing promoters with
"Music Moguls" be all that bad?  Would sacrificing the Hardcore Underground
image be bad as long as the MUSIC STAYED PURE??

The scene is going, if it isn't already there, mainstream very rapidly. Milking
the Big Music Industry doesn't seem all that bad if it is used to preserve the
one thing that we all gather together to worship: techno/dance music.

I ask you these questions.. What do you think?

I personally Would like to see more money coming into the scene to support
the artist and so we can Establish promoters who are not gansta/drug
dealing/Who is down with who/Social Monger people but throw events to 1.
make a good event and 2. make money. The way it is now, people can do a
"money" making party... But lets say the promoter had th do Quality events
or he wouldn't be around any more would this improve the parties?????


Most of you know I am underground this and that.. Well I am playing Devils
Advocate this time....

elb snip

Now, look closer and consciously count how many people you see 
 that are excited to be there for the music. Gauge by facial expressions 
 and obviously focused activities like dancing. Not everybody at the party 
 seems to be all that into the music, eh? Yeah I've noticed it too.
        I find that the more parties I go to the more I notice a 
 decreasing general interest in the music. People seem to be preoccupied 
 in looks, drugs, and various activities that don't exactly focus on the 
 sounds surrounding and permeating the space. 
        Maybe I'm being pessimistic and negatively centered, but it seems 
 to me that bad attitudes have been more prevalent than positive ones 
 lately. I'm as guilty as the next person, I will admit. I make a 
 conscious effort to counteract this instinct, however, and I too often 
 find myself wondering how many people are aware of their negativity and 
 are subsequently making deliberate efforts to likewise offset their 
 attitudes.
        I think this negativity is a direct reflection of lack of 
 interest in the real reason we have raves: the music. Or at least the 
 reason *I* go to parties. I know I risk sounding preachy and otherwise 
 holier-than-thou, but I find it so frustrating when there's such minimal 
 support of good music and dj's. 
        Many people seem to not be "into" a track unless they've heard it 
 before, and gut reactions when they hear something new and innovative are 
 to leave the dancefloor. 
        Granted, there are numerous tracks out now that suck. But there 
 are some really good songs being put out now as well as some great dj's 
 mixing them into sets.
        The frequent perception I get is that many are more interested in 
 finding out who that "phat looking gangsta" over there in the corner is 
 or getting a bigger, better pill than learning about what they're hearing 
 and being aurally inundated with.
        I should get off of my soapbox now, but I encourage you to start 
 questioning motivations in the scene. Why are we here and why do we care 
 to keep going to parties?  

end


I have written many things like this in the past and so have some of my friends
we have them on the total chaos web site....... But the key facotr is its all
down to us having people understand this we can bitch and post all we want but
until we do somthing. its kjust going to stay the same.

post this around if you want the words and information need to be heard.
Im no hippie I dont expect to change the world or unify the scne we  are all too
differnt for that but we can unify the understanding of the music and the
culture and why were are here for the music fto dance to have fun to expand our
minds.

Robert Alan Skinner aka The Pharaoh/Dj Skinner/Pharaoh909
Things to Come Records

skinner{at}skinner[dot]org
http://www.skinner.org

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 13:12:17 1998
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Well a stack of Loserville crazies will be leaving tomorrow around 2:00. 
I'm assuming we'll be at the space around 10:00.

Look for a big Budweiser sign that says "Welcome Rave Fans"

bring a drum or something to bang on... you won't regret it...

see you there....

:)


-- 
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  C. Jason Clark...............................Strange Loop
             http://www.louisville.edu/~cjclar01
                 cjclar01@homer.louisville.edu
  new CD out: Strange Loop - "the mind of a seeker"
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 14:25:18 1998
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DIATOM brings the dronetech cru and ele_mental together this friday to
present an event focusing on drum'n'bass and hardcore [dronetech also
brought us the all-jungle event KLEPTON back in february].

the event features the return of FIERCE, all the way from the no u-turn
posse in england, whose first columbus appearance was at the 10th
ele_ment, NEON, back in november.  also featuring the hardcore of YOSHI
(chicago), the drum'n'bass of SQUARED (pittsburgh), more drum'n'bass from
SHIVA (indy), hip-hop and drum'n'bass from MAKKU DA KUTTA (columbus), and
a live noise performance by ALL MONSTER CHORUS.  a likely second room will
feature more local DJs. 

music goes from 11 PM - 7 AM, admission only $8.00

location is likely to be near the RICE PADDY again, at the corner of 11th
ave and grant, unless otherwise noted.  call the table of ele_ments
(614.470.0929) just to be sure.

to get there take 71 to the 11th ave exit, go W towards campus, one mile
to first light, go L on GRANT, then look for fenced-in area with small
warehouse buildings.  park in the grassy lot just N of the space or on the
other side of the railroad bridge, E of the space.  you'll figure it out
from there...follow the sub-bass

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the directions for furthur are up on the webpage, this 
event will take place in Petatonica or sumthin. check it 
http://www.execpc.com/~dropbass and for the frames impaired
http://www.execpc.com/~dropbass/html/home.html


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Thanks to everyone who came out to remember the magic....and thanks to
all
the people who enjoyed my live pa....You guys are the shit.  Half of my Pa
has nothing to due with me...it is your alls energy that makes it rock
for both of us.  There will be plenty copies of the tape circulating
around further.

And I invite you all to come and catch my next performance in chicago il
on june 6th, at a party intitled Family...being thrown by the mMad science
crew....It should be a fuckin blast.

Promoters that I have promised tapes to thaT HAVE YET RECEIVED THEM,
PLEASE SEND ME ADRESS AGAIN AS i HAD A MAIL ACCIedent.

The Xanthous shall riss summer 98



-danXanthous




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Oh man.. Im so mad.
Well.. After finding out about Even Further like 2 days before the event.. I
decided, ok.. I'll go..
Then I find out I have to work Sat. and Sun.. and I'm like NOOOOOOOOO... so I
called like every possible employee at my werk and FINALLY found a very
wonderous person to cover for me.  *sigh*
Well.. now after all the hard werk comes up.. The person driving decides..
"Well.. I dun think I want to go.  I dun have 30 bux to waste."
So now me and my friend are kinda sorta.. actually rilly.. pysched to go with
no ride.  Doesnt life just suck sometimes? 
{ wanks for listening }

RayCheL

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Sup!  Just wondered who is from the KC-Lawrence-Omaha-Topeka scene and
any other surounding places.  My names Brandon and wondered if anyone
has a pic or homepage to post so that maybe we can all get to know one
another a little better.  My little site is at "http://ccp.com/~juno/",
So if ya wanna know what I look like, you can check me out there.  I
guess thats all!

Love, Peace, and the Courage to Inspire Each-
Brandon Reece
-Infantile-

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        The directions are posted for Futher for those who haven't checked. 
      I'm soo excited, as this is way closer than I thought it would be.  I 
     hope they have trees at this fairgrounds, it would make it seem more 
     like camping, but then again, who cares?  Pant, pant, sweat, tremble, 
     it's too hard to work today, knowing what lies ahead.  Shake, shake, I 
     have to go now and find my medication.  Arrrggggghhhhh! I can't wait!
     
     
     rEalm

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From: David Saltzman <David.K.Saltzman@lawrence.edu>
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hey, this isn't particularly furthur related...but oh well...figure its
time for a break in that.  Anyay, I have a question for all you midwest
netravers:  How do you think the internet has affected the rave scene?
I mean, from online broadcasts to mailing lists to chat rooms...the
whole 'net  Anyway, i'd appreciate any pre-furthur responses I could
get...thanks a lot : )
    david



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This is testament to the wonders HAM can do for our scene.

		
		toastman

  see y'all at +TH tonight and that crazy hippie orgy that happens every
year tomorrow


On Thu, 28 May 1998 kctopitz@itis.com wrote:

> The following is an taken from Mixmag's interview with
> Richie Hawtin, slightly edited in a couple places (to make
> sense).  Food for Furthur thought.
><snip> 
>     A DJ who's played all over the world, it'll always be
> the Midwest which will be Hawtin's second home.  Hawtin
> starts talking about a party in Madison, Wisconsin which
> he played at a few weeks ago.  It was one of those nights
> every DJ lives for as he felt like he could do just about
> anything on the decks and the floor would just eat it up.
> "I even played 'Spastik' that night and I never play it.
> Some guy had it in his crate.  I took these people all
> over the place and they stuck with me for the whole
> night.  When the lights went on in the morning, it was
> packed.  I went from 140bpm to 98bpm, I had my effects and
> my 909 going all over the place.  They stuck with me (so
> much) that I felt like I had to give them something they
> knew.  That's what I'm going to continue.  I don't care if
> I lose some people on that album.  The people who were
> there at that party and at parties around the world who
> truly get it are going to put up with this album
> (Consumed) until they get it or appreciate it."
> 


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Directions to ENCOUNTER are available at:

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ENCOUNTER 5/30/98 Lexington, KY

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 18:53:09 1998
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now that i can actually check my e-mail again... see you all at further,
whether i attempt to say hi to you or not =) i'll be that boy in the
perfect fashion raver style clothes keeping them clean all weekend long by
bringing a full WASHER AND DRYER all the way from kansas city to the
campgrounds. so anyone who wants to look DAMN good for richie's set on
saturday better stop by. after all, it's all about the clothes, right?

;)

peace! hugs! further!
andrew



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:P  

I can't go.  I want to, but cannot.  party twice as hard for me
-Jen

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Awwww.. u guyz make me feel so vurrrry sad ='[

I wish I could go.  I hope you all have fun tho.  There best be another
"event" like this dis summer.  And you best all plan on meeting me :)
...:::muuhahahaha:::...

RayCheL

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anyone know what the earliest time you can go to further is? I'm gonna try
to do the mammoth thing and get everyone to leave in the middle of the
night :)
love,
-jeff


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the MW-RAVES special addition.......

                       +POSITIVE THURSDAYS 16+ 
                             5.28.98
                       free w/ canned food
                             10-2ish
MW-RAVES list members....
-------------------------------------------------------------
MARK LANCASTER [acid] 1-2     

JON DICA [jungle] 12-1

DJ SPREE [happy hardcore] 10:45-12

MATT POSITIVE [old skool UK hardcore] 10-10:45
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no negativity or glass allowed.....

please come out for a good time......

18 and over with a picture id that resembles the holder of the id....
(underage MW-RAVES members interested in attending, contact me privately)
               [positive kids/happy league: 1.773.509.6437]
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see everyone at furthur......
look out for:

WHPK/WNUR sound tent at *FURTHUR 98* 5.29-31 (techno, happy hardcore,
jungle).....make sure you say hello......       



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     Me and my friend Dan are conteplating a last minute scurry to
Wisconsin this weekend.  We are driving from Omaha, NE, but we need two
or three more people to ease the burden of cost.  If anyone on the way
from Omaha to Further still needs a ride, let me know and we would be
able to swing by and grab ya!!!

Peace,
Aaron


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Hey guys!  A kid named Brandon left his web address and some general info on a
post.  I was gonna e-mail him but little did I relaize I deleted his mail and
dont have the address......if you could help me out and send it to me I would
be greatful!  Thanks guys!!

Peace and love!

                      Dana-ba-nana

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On Thu, 28 May 1998, matt positive wrote:

> the MW-RAVES special addition.......
> 
>                        +POSITIVE THURSDAYS 16+ 
>                              5.28.98
>                        free w/ canned food


hey!!  is anybody gonna be there?  now that i live closer to chicago i'll
actually make it out there, woo!!  i know i'll be meeting a bunch of ya at
***furthur*** (whether you like it or not! :P)  but i thought it'd be fun
anyway to run into a few ppl at +th..... soo, keep an eye out for that
tall chick and that green nappy-ass fuzzy backpack.
--end of pointless post--
**doris**


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ok, not that anyones paying any attention, cuz yalls be so damn
excited...  :)

but, my boss at my new job is a prince and a king and so much much more!!

why?

cuz he jarbled schedules around in order to let me have the weekend off
of work!

the gods of furthur (or would that be the powers of satan? :P) must be
looking over me!  ;)

anyhow, i will indeed be there!  yeehaw!!

i cant explain my excitement!
i can barely contain myself!

anyhow,  in rejoice of my overcoming the obstacles of every day life, ill
be there!  gladly excepting donations of hugs, smiles, plurry love vibes,
glowsticks (yes, im serious!), and other such happy shtuffs.  :)

course, yalls donations be -gladly- reciprocated (or how.the.hell.ever ya
spell dat) with equal happy shtuffs!! 
:)

see ya there yalls!

*furthur.hugs.n.excitement*

jawsh!

np: the voices in my head

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In a message dated 98-05-28 11:35:27 EDT, juno@ccp.com writes:

<< Sup!  Just wondered who is from the KC-Lawrence-Omaha-Topeka scene and
 any other surounding places.  My names Brandon and wondered if anyone
 has a pic or homepage to post so that maybe we can all get to know one
 another a little better.  My little site is at "http://ccp.com/~juno/",
 So if ya wanna know what I look like, you can check me out there.  I
 guess thats all!
 
 Love, Peace, and the Courage to Inspire Each-
 Brandon Reece
 -Infantile- >>

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88.5 WHPK and 89.3 WNUR fm chicago present

		RADIATIVE TRANSMISSIONS
		the sound tent

  featuring WHPK and WNUR djs and affiliates:
		casper
		mark almaria
		sir k
		matt positive
		dave siska
		dj spree
		noumenon
		professor earache
		pat foosheen
		luis aguilera
				
really this isn't a big production, it's going to be about having fun and
hearing some good music.  so if you are interested in playing on our sound
system, please drop me an email with the following info: 

name
dj name
experience
style of music
email address

we're most interested in techno, idm - mellow or weird, trance, and drum n
bass.  you MUST be available on sunday as our saturday times are nearly
full.  we also have vacancies on friday.
if you do not email me by tonight at midnight, i cant promise you a spot,
so drop by our tent and look for me or matt positive.  i'm 5'10" wearing
thin beatnik-y glasses and a chain reaction shirt (if it's nice out).  i
will email you back by friday at noon with info.  

-dave



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu May 28 22:17:03 1998
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:09:03 -0500
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I have also had many of the same thoughts that you have. My general
opinion on much of this is that most of the people on this list are into
the music and would be without all the "extras". I base this thought on
the simple fact they svbscribe to the list in the first place. Even if
they don't participate in all the discussions, they are at least
interested enough to learn more about the music and the culture that it
brings. Now, about the 96% that don't subscribe to the list (or any
list) and go to parties, I feel that about half couldn't care less about
the music and are there just for the drugs. Is this a bad thing? I don't
know. I'm usually the first person to get pissed off at some cracked out
E-head, but I have to think back to when I first started going to
parties and remember that the drugs are what brought me to the scene. I
eventually grew out of that phase and can only hope that the newer party
goers will too and become more involved with the music.

As for the fact that some people don't react to a good song by dancing
or jumping around, I also don't dance that much or show much emotion to
a good track, but I don't think that it is as big as a deal as some
people make it out to be. I'd rather just go up to a dj at the end of
the set and let them know that I liked it than to jump around and scream
at the top of my voice at every song. I don't think that neither is
better than the other. I don't think that because people don't react
emotionally to the music doesn't mean that they are not knowledgeable
about it. Look at John Aquaviva, the most boring and unimotional dj that
I think that I've ever seen, but I know that he loves the music and I'm
sure he would still be doing it even if he wasn't making a living at it.
BTW that wasn't a cheap shot at John, the guy has mad skills and is one
of the best djs I've heard, he's just not much to watch.

As for the promoters, that's a subject that I don't want to touch, I
would ramble on forever......

Martin bEAN


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Oi, I'm going punk so probably instead of looking for a guy wit long hair
look for a guy wit PHAT  1 foot liberty spikes!!! l-so if I can they will
be green... Oi to the punks oi to the skins also oi to the RAVERS!!!

od

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ok, now that ive calmed myself down a bit, i think ill attempt trying to
tend to some 'bizness'...

um, everyone that i had made plans to meet up with n such, theyll remain.
 i know one can really not make plans to be certain places at certain
times all that well at something like furthur.  but rest assured, if i
was sposed to track you down sometime this weekend - i will.  ;)

also, uh, matter, ill still be looking for you with my two frenz that are
gonna be spinning on your system.  so, uh, kinda keep an eye out fer me
as well if youre able.  ;)

and, uh, lessee...

elaine - whats up with dat sign?  still need some help?  im still down
for lending my services.  and ill even bring paint.  but, ya gotta get
back to me by like 8.30 or 9pm tonight (thursday).  hell, ill just bring
the paint and hunt ya down and see if ya still need help.

ill hopefully be bringing along some blank name tag labels to be candy
raver like and hook all you sorry saps up with dope ass name tag
thangies.  :P  so, uh, look fer me if ya wants one.  or if ya see one on
someone else, ask em where they last saw me or got theirs if ya want one
and ill hook you up.  :)

and, uh...

well, [art.is.dead] is still not gonna be out at furthur, even tho ill be
out at furthur.  ;)  but, yeah...

and, uh, im -still- accepting donations of glowsticks.  ill bust some
glowstick moves in your tripping face that youll -never- forget if i get
hooked up!  trust me on this one....  :D  i dunno if ill be able to get
to target between now and then, so...  yeah...  ;)

and, well...  im gonna be going home toinight and packing (i havent even
started yet, cuz i didnt think i was going) and -attempting- to make an
'east.side.crack' flag.  i dunno how many ppl from the east.side.crack
will actually be camped under it...  but, a good portion of us will be
and im sure well have a pretty good idea where the rest of the
east.side.crack.heads are that arent camping under it will be if ya wanna
locate em, so peep us out or some such shit...

also, im bringing along this book i got that ppl draw or write in at
various raves or larger sized gatherings.  i am down fer -any- one adding
their couple of copper pennies to it, so hit me up and youre free to go
to work in it.  i got markers, pens, and such...

and, um...  my memory is a bit poor when it comes to recalling whove i
met and who ive not, so if ive met you before and i dont grab ya and hug
ya, grab me and hug me, kay?  :)

jeezus...
i am a bit -too- excited, i think...
wait, is that even possible?
*shrug*

no matter...
ill be there, having fun, and going furthur!!

so, uh, ill try not to clog up yalls mailboxes any more with my mindless
ramblings...  hehehee...  as if that were even possible.  :P  anyhoo...

*much.love*

jawsh!

np: gang.starr - 'daily.operation'

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us are tiny matters compared to what lies
within us"
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ok, everyone that reads this now, go to 
http://www.rave-net.com/chat i will be in there waiting for 
anyone and everyone so you dont have to wait by yourself. 
;p  talk about what everyone will b wearin so we can 
recognize each other! ;p peace!


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Hola mi familia-

I too am making the grand trip for Further.  But, unfortunatley, I have a 
wedding to go to in Omaha on Saturday during the day so I have to 
haul ass after, pick up some friends here in Iowa City and then head
to zee party.  *Hopefully* I will be there in time for the burning man
celebration!!  At any rate, I would luv to meet any of my fellow net-junkies
sometime this weekend.  On sat night I will be wearing a homemade pair
o` pants with a fleece camoflagued type pattern (except with yellow, baby
blue, orange and hot pink) up the sides and I shall NOT be found without
my two red strobe light bouncing balls.  You've gotta check them out!  If
you see one, stop and take a peek, I can't be very far :)~  And, I'll be 
sporting a Felix pail with lotsa sweet treats and fun toys!

Lets bring the vibe back~

See yall there-
Darian

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Okay, for those of you not going to Further, Olaris Network will be
broadcasting this weekend! You can check the schedule on the site:

http://www.radiodistortion.com  (click on Olaris)

This weekend features live feeds from Cincinnati, Elroy's Power Set, and
a lot more. 

-Ben / Elroy

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Totally not rave related, but thought it might interest some people that
Phil Hartman was murdered...I think it was today...don't know too many
details.


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>>>>They play their entire show off of DAT?  
>>
>>Would someone nicely explain what that is?
>
>basically, its pre.recorded and they pretend to play live.
>
>jawsh!
>


Yeah, I've heard that rumor, too.  just didn't know that's what DAT 
meant  :)

much love,
  K

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phil hartman was murdererd, all i know is that it was a 
murder/suicide, his wife shot him, then killed herself. 
thats all i know


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Here's a link to a news story I found from Excite:

http://my.excite.com/news/r/980528/19/news-hartman


-Ben . Elroy

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>I ask: How many of you are in it for the Music? You are here just to 
support
>the music and the other stuff is an added bonus.. If all the extras 
were gone
>but the music was still there, would that be all that you need?
     
    Yes, the music is why I go to raves.  I can't hear that stuff 
anywhere else, or dance the way I do anywhere else.

>first two years I was a loser rave nerd who didn't know jack.. From 93 
to now
>I have dedicated my "spare" time to the music and a little to the 
"scene." I
>was discussing with some people who are extremely important to the 
music you
>listen to (not naming names) and we all agreed our primary love is for 
the
>Music. So we became optimistic.. (skinner? really? no way..).. What if 
the
>"scene" became "mainstream" (like its not now).. Would that really be 
bad? Any-
>one can listen to the music--is that bad? More money to support the 
artists--
>is that bad? Would replacing the drug dealing gangsta playing promoters 
with
>"Music Moguls" be all that bad?  Would sacrificing the Hardcore 
Underground
>image be bad as long as the MUSIC STAYED PURE??


That would be lovely, but I that hardly ever happens.  Especially 
recently, companies only want "safe" music.  Stuff they can push on 
people easily.

much love,
   K

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he was that comedian on sat. nite live who impersonated 
bill clinton alot, and that guy from news radio, THE VOICE 
OF TROY MCLURE from the simpsons; you might remember me 
from such films as "towel whipping: the blinding of little 
jhonny" or "animals are our friends..."  THAT GUY, know who 
im talkin about?


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Okay, dig this, my parents are giving me some serious troubles about going
to Furthur, could you guys write some E-mails that would help me out that I
could forward to them... 

OD PLEASE HELP ME PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
PLEASEPLEASEPLEAS I am dying to go.... I swear to god!!!I will hook you up
wid free shit please, how bout a pledge of my undying love? HELP ME HELP ME
HELP ME!!!!!! BWAUGH!!!!


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In a message dated 98-05-28 16:53:26 EDT, you write:

>  the MW-RAVES special addition.......
>  > 
>  >                        +POSITIVE THURSDAYS 16+ 
>  >                              5.28.98
>  >                        free w/ canned food
>  
>  
>  hey!!  is anybody gonna be there?  now that i live closer to chicago i'll
>  actually make it out there, woo!!  i know i'll be meeting a bunch of ya at
>  ***furthur*** (whether you like it or not! :P)  but i thought it'd be fun
>  anyway to run into a few ppl at +th..... soo, keep an eye out for that
>  tall chick and that green nappy-ass fuzzy backpack.
>  --end of pointless post--
>  **doris**

Well I would be there if my job wasn't so ghetto.  I'm looking at the clock
right now and it looks like I would get to +Th just in time to miss most of
the happy hardcore... which is almost 93.7% of why I wanted to go in the first
place.  I've missed the first 15 +Th's so why not make it an even 16 eh?  Damn
all the Fashion Bugs and damn all of the customers that think its fun to
undress in the middle of the store (believe it or not we DO we have dressing
rooms for that sort of thing)  and damn all of my incompetent co-workers
(don't they know I have some serious dancing to get done?)
the frustration is killing me... guess I'll just have to wait until furthur to
dance it all off.
which of course I'll be getting to late because of my ghetto job.  whew...
that was a whole lot of bitchin... sorry. Carry on and everyone have a lovely
time tonight. Se  ya at Furthur!

-Peggy

  

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FURTURE PERFECT 5
Transcending the Experience

8 pm(Pulse recomends you get there early, show at the Walker sold out)

Frederick R. Weisman Museum
333 East River Road, Minneapolis

$8/$6 students and members

612-625-9495

Larry Long
A Most Happy Sound
DJ Kevin Cole
Lost in Translation
Chris Zwicky
Keri Halverson
Ousia (last performance, they're breaking up)
Purrotika (feat. Ana Voog)
Satoshi Shinozaki
DJ Rob "Tempest" Williams
others to be announced before performance

lights by The Magic Latern Show

this thing will be broadcast live on the web, but I don't know the 
address




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 I was writing this about 15 minutes ago, when the power flashed.
After my computer rebooted, I logged back on to the net, started
typing again and the power goes out for like a minute. Now, I'm
attempting a third link...
what's up with that, of course i looked outside and could see a storm
rolling
in.
Oh so, Jacqui and I are really psyched about going to Furthur. We're
hoping
to get there about 4:00 friday with two friends who have never been to
one of these
rave things and we wanna set up homebase somewhere never Steven J.'s
alien
abduction. I liked to idea of having an impromptu mw-raves BBQ, i'm
bring my
mini-Weber and encourage everyone to use it if you'd like.I'm bringing
some gourmet
munchies as well. Listening to beatiful sound wave patterns, throwing
down on the food
enjoying quality company.
I'm also bringing my giant magic bubble-maker , the hackey o'course, and
some great
positive vibes. I want to network with some like minded individuals
about important issues
such as the state of our scene and well as the state of our world and
the need for spreading
information. I'm also looking forward to hearing Ritchie, Matter,
Elaine, Dica, and everyone
else throw out some wicked tunes and seeing kikfreak, Jawsh, Chis, OD,
Matt, Dan, Phil,
aArNO, Jes, Michelle, Martin, Doris all you Ohio peeps all you
east-coast peeps, all my SERAVEs
homies, all you mw and sw and canadians and international travelers(have
i left out anyone).
This is gonna be the Bizzy BoMB.
looking forward to smiling faces and awesome places.

onelove.
Noble

GAIA CALLS

I be wearing camoflauge so as to be undetected by crack dealers.



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On Thu, 28 May 1998, David Saltzman wrote:

> hey, this isn't particularly furthur related...but oh well...figure its
> time for a break in that.  Anyay, I have a question for all you midwest
> netravers:  How do you think the internet has affected the rave scene?
> I mean, from online broadcasts to mailing lists to chat rooms...the
> whole 'net  Anyway, i'd appreciate any pre-furthur responses I could
> get...thanks a lot : )

Without MWRaves I would have been *blind* going into Iowa last summer
(sorry, I'm still in Buffalo NY), and wouldn't have met Jeff, Ephram,
Koog, Erinaceus, and a bunch of NON netters like Starscream and JR and
what-not/who-not.  And the net has let me semi-keep in-touch too...
Well, I still like MW more than NER, so I 'lurk' until someone goes on a
diatribe about Mini...oh, uh, er, or something 'technical.'

Hell, I need to use that BS of mine sometime!  (As in degree ;)

sef

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Famous roomate quotes:

"Couples like Karen and Israel make me glad that I'm gay."

Seth Morth  sm3915@acs.brockport.edu 
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On Thu, 28 May 1998, jawsh decker wrote:

> cuz he jarbled schedules around in order to let me have the weekend off
> of work!
> 

you god damn lucky son of a bitch.  I just got a new job which is
preventing me from going to furthur.  I cant miss my first three days of
work.  I am so upset I dont even know why I am thinking about it.  I have
been looking forward to this for a long time....

> the gods of furthur (or would that be the powers of satan? :P) must be
> looking over me!  ;)
> 

I bet they are laughing at me


> anyhow, i will indeed be there!  yeehaw!!
> 

i will indeed not be there!

> i cant explain my excitement!
> i can barely contain myself!

i want to die!

> 
> see ya there yalls!

since our positions have suddenly been swapped I hope you will have as
much fun I as I know I would have had.

all of you enjoy it. 

If we do not live for this then why do we exist?

Adam Meadows


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     I just decided today to make the trip to further all the way from
Omaha, NE.  I went to the first Further and it was one of the best
parties I have ever been to.  Me and my friend got so excited that we
have decided to shave our heads!!  Two years of hair growth down the
drain!!!  Anyway,  beacause I did not know I was going untill about 2
hours ago, so I erased all of the info, so if someone could tell me
where the net kidz are campin at, I'll be there with a six person tent,
coleman stove, plenty of food, and space for one or two people to crash
out if they need to.

I haven't danced in two years either, hopefully this will get me out of
my slump!!!

peace,
Aaron


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I dunno. I got bored one night and came up with: 

http://members.aol.com/PHILFART/first.html

I have no idea what to do with it...any suggestions?

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hi everyone...
i'm wondering, from those who have been to furthur before, if it is worth
just coming for sunday night and leaving on monday... have people done this
before? i have to work both friday and saturday nights, and i still really
want to go to furthur.  do most people leave by sunday?  is there still a
lot going on sunday night and monday?  you can respond privately to keep
traffic off the list.  and if anyone's stuck in chicago over the weekend,
come say hello at ben and jerry's.  that's where i'll be... have a BEAUTIFUL
time this weekend, and hopefully i'll be there, with these cool
photo/painting card thingies i've been making to give out...

laura

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After two days of sleeplessness just to get my sorry arse up to
Schaumburg, I guess I'll be able to make it to Even Furthur after all;
hurrah!

I'm excited, even tickled.  With some sleep tonight I'll be able to go
out and get a tent (Koog, is there still room in yours, by chance?). 
Sorry I wasn't able to make it to PT tonight.  The way the wind was
blowing the street lights and traffic signs was quite scary.

I probably won't be too hard to find; look out for a small Asian girl
with a Piggly Wiggly shirt on Saturday near some sound system.

See you all there!
Doris

PS: Doris Payer, ya still want to make them flags? I forgot to bring up
extra pillowcases, though :(

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I know!  That was very sad newz to me 4 sum reason, and I dun even know why.
Itz kinda scary because one of my very close friends' wake was yesterday.  My
great grandpa died last week.  Is that just a stroke of bad luck, er what?

RayCheL

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Oh man.. That flash was friggen scary.. I got it here too.
Me and mah friend Jessikah were outside and running around in the rain and all
of a sudden there was like this huge *BANG* and every house on her blocks
power went out.  It was only out for 2 seconds tho.  

I dun know why the hell I just told you guys that.  Oh well =P

RayCheL

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Adam..

Hehehe.. I know how you feel.. sorta.
I was scheduled to work and I called in some kinda weird, frantic state.. I
was like.. "Oh my god.. I need to find someone to work for me.. help me!!" and
they're like.. "Well.. its your responsiblilty.. blah blah blah" so I called
like every employee at my work and FINALLY I found someone that loves me.. she
said she'd do it.. and I'm all.. YAYYYYYY!!!  
But den my ride bailz out.  So I guess I could understand how you feel babe.

RayCheL

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 13:20:14 1998
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in case anyone was planning on heading to DIATOM tonight, there's been a
last-minute venue change.  it will again be at the WASABI warehouse space
near club mekka.  our previous space--an empty warehouse--was lost due to
a last-minute rental.  we know wasabi's been used a lot lately but it
always comes down to the same question: is it better to use the same space
over and over, or have no party at all?  the answer should be obvious :)

directions to wasabi are as follows:

take any highway to 71, find 670 (the highway that runs E/W just N of
downtown) and follow it W to neil ave exit.  go L at the first light, S on
neil ave for 1/2 mile, R on dublin ave.  go 2 blocks to corner of hanover
and dublin ave, space is on the L.

++
e d



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 14:41:26 1998
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I'm going crazy sitting here in my office - I can't wait to get to
Further!!!!  Luckily I only have to work a 1/2 day today.

Anyway, just wanted to let peeps know to look out for me and my hubby
John.  I'll be wearing at black patent leather SESAME STREET backpack
that says "What's my name?" on it w/4 characters on it.  It'll be
chock full of trip toys, candy, and other goodies to share so come ask
the magic question, "Are you a mw-raver?" and you will be rewarded!

Tammy


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 15:04:10 1998
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On Fri, 29 May 1998 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> I dunno. I got bored one night and came up with: 
> 
> http://members.aol.com/PHILFART/first.html
> 
> I have no idea what to do with it...any suggestions?

Do with it?  I think you should use your web space to display your art.  
I've always enjoyed your pieces that have ended up in Massive and most 
importantly, the Free Art! zines that used to be handed out at parties.

Phil!  Bring back Free Art!  We need you!

BTW, I love the pic you drew of Monique.

- Steven



Steven J			|"It is vain to do with more
http://radiodistortion.com	| what can be done with fewer."
http://barkingcat.org		|	- William of Occam (c1285-1349)


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so whats everyone takin up there w/them?? should i take a 
change of clothes? i cant really dance right now, my knee 
is messed up, i doubt ill get all funky, unless it rains, 
then itd be a smart thing to do...... i dunno, im takin a 
sweater and an extra windbreaker in case sum1 gets cold. 
and my sleeping bag, AND, cant forget the bug repellant, 
sun screen, and candy and toys. and other stuff you cant 
mention on mw-raves........... ;p see everyone there!


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 15:32:03 1998
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     Off to Furthur.  Hope to see all ya folks there.  I'll try camping 
     around Steven's alien tent.
     
     I'll be wearing a white glaxo lab coat so I should be "relatively" 
     easy to find.  Tend to dance a fair bit, so check the dance floors.
     
     Everyone have a safe journey, and see ya at FURTHUR!!!
     
     -Giles

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On Fri, 29 May 1998 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> I dunno. I got bored one night and came up with: 
> 
> http://members.aol.com/PHILFART/first.html
> 
> I have no idea what to do with it...any suggestions?

Yea make the ducks animated and make them brock out to some MIDI speed
garage. =P

dj noahphex  ::  noahphex@hardcorps.org :: aka. muppetfucker
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 16:15:31 1998
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don't forget the rain gear, folks...looks to be rain everyday except maybe tonight if we're lucky, some severe weather possible.


thanks, chad, now on to local news,

a 12 year old girl made a homeless dog very happy today....




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hint: how long can you tread water ha. ha. ha.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 16:33:48 1998
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'ey all,

hopefully this question doesn't pop up all that often...

i've been really intrigued by mixers w/ built-in samplers, but i don't know
anything about how they work or what to look for.  how exactly does a DJ
incorporate the samples into a set??  can a little onboard sampler add
anything do the music, or is just a little toy??

also, what about sampling times??  i figured it'd be best to work w/ longer
sampling times, like 24-second.  i read about the specs on the Gemini ps-924,
and it said it was a 24-second sampler, w/ five memory banks, one of them is
12-second, two are 4 second and the other two are 2-second.  what exactly does
that mean??  how does memory size affect performance, like what is the
difference between 12-bit and 16-bit samplers??  lastly, are stutters and trim
controls all that big a deal, or are they just extra bells n' whistles??  

any other 2 cents any o' y'all might be able to rattle off would be much
appreciated.

stay cozy at Further.  

_________
cheers
Blue~*
tu.meri.me.tera

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i just read this and it made me *SMILE* real big...so don't just relate it
to house, relate it to whatever genre of music that you love...have a good
day....

Well mostly I love house, i fucking love this music, it has
brought me more things than just nights at the club.
<snip>
All of this is an extension of the music.
To feel that music sliding through you.  To not be able to stand still.  To
be
standing up on that stage and have hundreds of sweaty bodies jacking to your
music.  To loose yourself so intierly in your music, that you break your
croosfader 1/2 through your set, but you spin for another hour.  It's being
able to run to the record store with a big ass smile on your face, and leave
with an even bigger one.  'Not everyone understands house music..It's a
spiritual thing, a bodything, a soul thing...." 

was written by a fellow global house member....

joey

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In a message dated 98-05-29 00:13:45 EDT, Deadphishn@AOL.COM writes:

<< damn all of the customers that think its fun to
 undress in the middle of the store >>

Damn I gots ta get over to Fashion Bug one of these days...


brett

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YOU CAN BE ANYTHING THIS TIME AROUND.  
"really?  well dammit... i'ma be......

MARTIN SHEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

In the age old tradition of the semiconscious clan, the five star general, kid
entropy, will be representing further... completely UNPREPARED.  Yes, thats
right... I have no idea where i am staying, where i'll be, what i'm doing, who
the heck i'm gonna hang with... or anything =)  It is a tradition in the clan,
for the leader to drive alone... and have no organization whatsoever... simply
because... THAT IS THE WAY.

In reality... i don't even know what time i am playing with q-systems... my
vision for this whole fiasco will sort of have an apocalypse now feel to the
whole thing... so if anybody would like to help me find Kurtz, travel up
river, and be taken hostage by savages... you may meet up with me somewhere on
that little battlefield we call further.

sometime this weekend i've got to go pick up records and my computer from the
house and cook myself an appropriate meal and most importantly WISH MY GRAMMA
A HAPPY BIRTHDAY.  So if anybody needs a ride or anything via rockford to
anywhere north of joliet and can stand the horror of my beat up military
issue, messy jungle jeep... i guess i'll do my duty and offer my services as
not only mc, dj, producer, but chauffeur... if you need a ride back for some
reason on saturday with expectations to come back saturday night... find me
out in the system some where...  if you need a ride there... ring me up at
semiconscious friday night... our estimated eta is about 5 or 6 pm on
saturday... it is not known just how many passengers are in this car at this
time... seemingly tonight its just me... but tomorrow there's room for 2-3
peoples... 

PLEASE ONLY LOVERS OF MUSIC WELCOME.  Remember the scene from apocalypse
now... don't cast yourself as the surfer in saigon... Any crew that gets lost
and needs to report should rendezvous at the main electronica stage for q-
systems... or the covert operation of dynamic groove's sound system at 4:30
pm...

the semiconscious commune is reserved so no guests are allowed to stay at the
studio... sorry.  but we will gladly transport our troops back to their bases
of origin.

remember... when in the jungle... ya gotta think like a cat... so please
remember... mutual respect, unity and love to your friends... and to your
enemies... if ya see somebody doing some ill schtuff... no violence... just
set em straight... our mind is the weapon... respect... 

and one final note:

STAY AWAY FROM THE BREAKFAST BURRITOS

NOOOOOOO MERCY!!!!!!!
hehehehehehehhehehehehe
snicker snicker.

"I love the smell of vaporub in the morning... reminds me of....
ecstacy... and parkinson's disease."

Kid Entropy
on other planets they call me 
Blub Blub
which translated means
"One who really should sleep more often."

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri May 29 22:52:10 1998
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Hi-

I'm listening to DJ Marathon's set that's archived at www.beatbox.com
(some pretty fat sets by the way, check it out) and there's this track
that comes in at around 1:13:00 (that's one hour thirteen minutes) that I
_really_ like. Can anybody help me figure out what it is?

I think I'm falling in love with minimalist electrotechno. Again.

thanks :)

jeff



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Tonight on Olaris  .........  http://www.radiodistortion.com/olaris/

eastern time........

8p:  Olaris Live!
10p: Elroy's Power Set

More coming this weekend. Stay Tooned. 

Ben . Elroy

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Okay..this isn't rave related yet...but watch out...my little place on the web
might be. After all, I've got alot history and art to show the world!!

http://members.aol.com/PHILFART/first.html


I remixed it for your enjoyment...

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I've been asking myself this question lately... and its really starting to bug
me... why is it that we have all these represented 21 and over jungle nights
in chicago... and everybody loves it... and everybody gets down... i mean you
hear the jellybean and blackeye tape from BROCKOUT 101 and you think to
yourself (actually you, yourself think, "that ass entropy has the tape from
brockout 101... lets kill him) man... listen to the freaking crrrrrowd.... it
sounds better than a tape from the u.k. seriously...  i've got blackmarket,
bryan g, brockie and hype tapes that don't even have that much crowd
participation.

now you go on the rave level... and its like... bink.  you can hear the sound
of a pin drop... an all jungle party is thrown... and there's maybe 200
people... jungle gets slotted in the front of the lineup... whoomp.

why?

tell me your thoughts on these points:

1.  is it that hardcore junglists and ravers just really despise each other
that much? 
if thats the answer than i guess its gwan take a helluva lot more p.r. and
shaking hands out in the scene.  because... everytime you talk about a
junglist... somebody makes the comment "those jaded bastards... they are so
mean."  well, yeah i'm kinda mad i pay twenty dollars for a party to hear drum
and bass on a huge system... and i'm late getting there and its poof...
gone... i'm mad that the community in jungle seems to never get into it... get
nutty... at brockout man, we jump on each other... scream... yell... make
utter fools out of ourselves... WE HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!! Why can't we do that out
in the scene...  is it because we don't really like each other... or is it
because THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE WATCHING US... or is it because the d.j.
looks to angry when he's spinning... or the mc is just babbling on forgetting
that there's people in the crowd to talk to... to pump up...

2.  by representing only one d.j. in our listening... are we really getting a
good concept of what jungle is about?

a.  there are smaller d.j.'s that may not have the money to buy the plates we
get in the mail... the promos and white labels... who don't have the contacts
to get the dat's for the dub plates... but really... they offer us a whole
HISTORY of music that some people may have never heard...  an alternative
niche so to speak... they play stuff off of labels that we might have
forgotten in the dub plate race... they're experimental and fresh... people
like dica, kid klone, jay dee, glyde, and many others who gives us that
feeling of wide eye glee when we first brought home our plates and made a mix
that kicked our own ass.  And seemingly these people go unnoticed.  why is
this?  we all wanna hear jungle so bad... there are plenty of places to hear
it... plenty of perspectives...  hmmm.

b.  the crew of d.j.'s at the crux of all this... who represented it for a
long while... sometimes have grown way out of touch with our rave scene... and
ITS NOT THEIR FAULT.  Its hard to cater to the tastes of the underground when
we don't get the opportunity to floor the speaker system into the redline at
optimum capacity... this music went from seemingly a music that you could only
listen to in your car... to a bass bumping imperative... but we are still
stuck at the beginning of the lineup... and some of us... only see a third of
the party walk in the door.. and perk our energy level for that... its a giant
step we made from not getting booked at all... but see... I'm not trying to
shove this down your throat... but so many people used to say "i don't know
how to dance to jungle" THAT WAS THE BEAUTY... BROCKOUT... let yaself
goooooooooo.... don't do the latest move to impress those people who are
concerned with the superficial.  JUST REACT =)  I see it at brockout all the
time... and i also hear on the voicemail all the time people complaining "i'm
not 21" and i get all pissy... cuz i really want them to be there... maybe its
more that 21+ and 20 - don't get along i dunno... 

Maybe the answer to all of this is simple... the credibility of DUBSHACK AND
BROCKOUT brought to the rave scene... for a one-off... a history of drum and
bass... running the whole level... 99 BROCKOUT... I dunno...

would it work?

or would it just be another 200 people sitting around going... huh?

need to find out the answer here, so we can bring the all night nutter back.

kid entropy
"cuz you know damned well i'm plotting and planning bucko"
sigidy - semi - conscious 
NINETY - NINE REDLINE

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Okay, I dont know quite what it is lately but we all seem to be questioning
ourselves and why it is we rave.  Maybe not so much why we rave, but rather
what raving does for us.  In a world where there is a lack of love, light,
hope and trust, we all need to realize we do the things we do to have fun and
try and bring together a group of people with the same motives. To listen to
great music and surround ourselves with people we can confide in and feel,"at
home," with.  Dancing is a great stress reliever and gives us a way to let go.
You know the feeling guys, sounds are pumping and you can feel every note as
it rages thru your body, your head is spinning and your body aches from too
many dances with no rest.  Yet, we go on, knowing that in the morning when we
wake up we'll be able to smile and do it all over again.  We keep ourselves
surounded by a group of people we are farmiliar with, when we should be
meeting and dancing with.  After all, thats what raving is about right?
Dancing, _music_ and people....?  The point being, is that after being
introduced to the scene 3 years ago I no longer crave being arround these
people, Im losing touch, because something is missing from all these raves.
its pure respect....I might be the only one, and if so it just means I ned
some more sleep <wink>  Yet,somehow I think we all need to bring the peace
love unity and respect back into the scene.  Dont you think?

*Shrug*
        PS-I love you guys!  <3
      Dana
Dana    

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On Fri, 29 May 1998 KidEntropy wrote:

>nutty... at brockout man, we jump on each other... scream... yell... 
>make utter fools out of ourselves... WE HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!! 


  You've already got it way better than you think. We DON'T HAVE jungle 
events here in Detroit. At least Chicago has a jungle scene.  And us 
junglists here still gotta go through the same early arrival issues you 
do to get our fix, unless there's a jungle room. And happy hardcore? 
Forget it. We don't even get respect when it comes to RealAudio 
recordings of these events. For example, Tight 2 was recorded in it's 
entirety and put on the web, but only the house room stuff. So none of 
the AK1200 shit made the (6 hour) recording, and almost everyone I 
talked with after agreed that his set was the best of the night.
   

>
>1.  is it that hardcore junglists and ravers just really despise >each 
other that much?
>

  I don't think so. I have a buncha jungle-lovin' friends who also love 
other music and ravers too (me included). Maybe it's about how you 
define hardcore. Is a "hardcore" junglist someone who is too kewl to 
bust out moves to techno or house? I hope not! I _refuse_ to become that 
jaded pissed off person spreading bad vibes. It is our responsibility to 
contribute as positively as we can to the scene, even when the fashion 
show gucci chicks sneer at our music and dancing style (or lack therof).


>
>2.  by representing only one d.j. in our listening... are we really 
>getting a good concept of what jungle is about?
>

  This is getting much better, even in Detroit. At Aqua Velvet, at least 
we had two Jungle DJ's, The local Chris Rockwell, a.k.a Rocky, and 
Dieselboy (oh yeah). We can't just _expect_ jungle to be a larger part 
of the scene...


  Hope that wasn't too long...


  
  



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On Fri, 29 May 1998 Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

> now you go on the rave level... and its like... bink.  you can hear the sound
> of a pin drop... an all jungle party is thrown... and there's maybe 200
> people... jungle gets slotted in the front of the lineup... whoomp.
> 
> why?

I wasnt at Brockout 101, so its hard to me to comment on that, but, for me,
i've noticed a decline in how much people really get into the music at parties
and the increase in techsetp. The more minimal and dark people play, the less
crowds get into it. Whereas back in the 95 ragga days people used to go 
*infuckingsane* at all jungle events. Jump-up didnt even quite have the same
effect, but still got the crowd going. I think most new boomchick techy jungle
is 1) too minimal to get into 2) too dark to consider "party music" anymore
and 3) not mashed up enough to do peoples heads in.

Given, these are only my observations/biases/whatnot, but hey, you asked. =)

I'd like to hear the Brockout 101 tapes. Is Dubshack selling em?

How did the crowds react to each era of music? Thats what interests me...


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furthur is everything as i've predicted. thousands of people, dozens of side
systems, wicked line-ups throughout the weekend. if you haven't planned to get
out to this event, you still have plenty of time. definately worth the drive!
see you there...oh yeah, don't forget to check out Q SYSTEM live at the band
stage sunday at 7pm. 

also, since you've driven all that way, pick-up my new DJ 3D "SO DAMN TUFF"
mixtape from JJ's both just outside the main room. it'll definately keep you
pumped on that long journey home!

3 diggedy dee

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BLA BLA!  Just wanted to let peopel know that I am NOT going to
furthur....    :P
-- 
Love, Peace, and 
the Courage to Inspire Each-
-Brandon Reece-
*Infantile*
e-mail: "juno@ccp.com"
homepage: "http://ccp.com/~juno/"
phone: 1-800-484-3403 ext. 8568

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I am sooo lost..what is this guys deal??

He/She wrote:Date:  Sat, May 30, 1998 12:47 AM EDT
From:  Opr00f
Subj:  Re:  Thoughts of raving...
To:      DooDah1069

hey whoever you are... Raves are for sillies to make money and pay bills... It
is the perfect backdrop to many moments of fucked up humans getting pounded by
impossibly loud and Mathematically interesting music. Enjoy. Rave that head.
Starting insane takeover of all communication proceedures. Take it in, nothing
can get through to you other than exactally what you need. A total Trip that
melts the rave into a single beat on a central spot of your head. The Idea
here is to know, all those beats, all the drugs, all the fucked up humans
getting their sunday fuckin' freak ON! Knowing... not four other words that
you debate. Uninvolved with all the humans. Just Enjoying the Ride. Frankly,
quality music is all that will bring me around that scene. I don't apply to
any fucking scene and espically one with an issue as supposed agenda
containing FOUR WORDS that have nothing to do with 75% of us that are still
strangers. You can never put those items in this scene. Business as usual
though, the promoters as I know, a bunch of 90's mid west classics (your
favorites) are wise Money Men Making it seem special and sincere but it's a
warp into a fucking fractal fashion faze and then, when you know, faze
completed you will get serious and see the Rave party for its technical
touching side. The Quality  Effects of Sound on the unsuspecting human. Then
we have a new human, i just hope they're not another casualty. Well, cause
four words don't work on us that know what rocks and its the simple
possibilities of mixture mad moments containing important messages for
sustaining sanity. Good luck! 


ANyone know him/her??

Love and Light,
                  Dana

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well, i'm back in milwaukee for the day because my girlfriends sister is getting confirmed and her mom would bash us quickly if we weren't there, but the first night of furthur was pretty fhat.  great music...better than usual vibe, but there's still some people who forgot to leave the attitudes at home.  but maybe part of that was the alcohol talking...i don't know.  i'm having fun, and heiko laux fuckin rocked my world even though he played the jeff mills track off steampit that every dj seems to need to play (it's a great track, but you know...i'm picky i guess)  mixing was *sort of* sloppy at parts, but he caught it quick...  he really seemed to enjoy mixing his set, which is rare these days.

so that's my spiel on him, since i haven't seen him before and i'm glad to hear another dj rock.


doormouse....god damn. it was live... fuck you.


johannes heil....ehhh, i wasn't all that impressed, some okay sounds but not like the wekkit i have by him, one really funky sort of down tempo track though really impressed me, but the set as a whole wasn't what i had hoped.


drew young, ehh, not my ting, i left the room during that.


kevin yost, nice house, not great...lost interest and went to bed.  wanted to catch nick nice, but you know how that goes.


but, tonight...the lineup to die for, i think if you are thinking about just going for one night, tonight is it.

check the website for the lineups www.execpc.com/~dropbass...you'll see what i mean.

parking lot seems pretty packed though, i'm sure you wouldn't get in unless you bought presale...at least not for long.


but now, i'm one nappin motherfucker.


Peace,

Chad


 

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<smaller>name: Chad M. Sponholz 

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</smaller></paraindent><paraindent><param>out,out</param><smaller>phone: i can't tell you ha.
ha. ha. 

hint: how long can you tread water ha. ha. ha.

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okay okay
so i am not going to furthur either and i'm desperately looking for a party. 
some kind soul informed me of family which was supposed to be in
chicago tonight (saturday) but when i called the info line it said the party
was going to be june 6.    if anybody knows anything about this please
write back  i really need a party this weekend
*hugs*
PLUR
rachel

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here's some dirty political comedy for ya.
plan on voting?????

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Date: 5/30/98  3:21 PM

RE: Fwd: What is Politics?

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ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!  Enjoy, ya'll !!!!!!!!!  Shell ;-D
__________________________________________________________________
> The little boy goes to his dad and asks him:
>  "What is Politics?"
>
>  "Well, Son, let me try to explain it this way," his father says.
>  "I'm the breadwinner of the family, so let's call me Capitalism.  Your
Mom
> is the administrator of the money, so we'll call her the Government.
We're
> here to take care of your needs, so we'll call you the People.  The nanny
is
> the Working Class; and your baby brother, we'll consider him the Future.
Now,
>  think about that and see if it makes sense."
>
>  The little boy goes to bed thinking about what Dad has said.
>
>  Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, gets up
>  to check on him and finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper.
So,
> the little boy goes quietly to his parents' room where his mother is sound
> asleep.   Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room.   Finding
the
> door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the
> nanny.  Frustrated, he gives up and returns to bed.
>
>  The next morning, the little boy says to his father:
>  "Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now."
>
>  The father says: "Very good, Son, tell me in your own words what you
think
> politics is all about."
>
>  The little boy replies: "Well, while Capitalism is screwing the Working
> Class; the Government is sound asleep; the People are being ignored; and
the
> Future is in deep shit!"





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-----Original Message-----
From: dabecy <dreams@dabecy.com>
To: analogue@hyperreal.org <analogue@hyperreal.org>
Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 2:06 PM
Subject: FS-TR-808/MC-202


>ok these are for sale again cuz my friend couldn't pay up.
>
>TR-808...good condition, fully functional, a couple scratches and a few
>sticky buttons.
>
>$575+shipping firm
>
>MC-202..was is perfect cosmetic condition until it got hit...the accent and
>the volume buttons are bent but still work..you probably could fix this.
>
>$300+shipping firm
>
>*will sell as a pair for $850+shipping
>
>




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun May 31 00:34:20 1998
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Ello, Once again I find myself playing the middle man for another internet
deprived friend... This isn't from me (so don't write me back ;),
but the kid is straight (i.e. cool.. and not a dealer):

FS- One Excellent condition CSQ-600 sequencer...

Seller: Chris Coady, 410-644-5644
E-mail: ccoady1@yahoo.com

btw- just as a little triva bit, if any of you see Sarch Maglockland (sp..
Ya, like
I even listen to her music ;) in concert and trainspot any analog gear
(i.e. Moog Taurus, tr-808, tr-909 ect) it all came from this kid ;)...

SORRY ABOUT THE CROSS POST, KEEP THAT IN MIND IF YOU CHOOSE TO
REPLY...

o0o[qiB.]o0




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    I just got back from Further, definately worth the 8 hour drive.   A
lot of cool shit, a lot of cool people and a lot of cool music, but by
far the best part of the party was Meat at 9:00 at the massive tent.
This guy started out screaming into a microphone to some weird-ass
gabber , then proceeded to start pushing the audience screaming " I
fucking hate all of you, FUCK YOU.".....then he broke a couple of
props.  After this he proceeded to pull a peace of meat out of a bag and
spit pieces of it at the audience (my friend Dan got hit with a
piece!!)  Then he attempted to gag himself, but just couldn't seem to
get himself to vomit, so he went on to removing his pants, bending over,
and sticking his middle finger up his ass.  Then he took the piece of
meat and rubbed it all over himself, and proceeded to start jerkin' it
in front of everyone.  He then stood up, screaming something I couldn't
understand, and completely demolished the Massive site.   All I got to
say about this guy was that he's fuckin' hardcore!!!!!
     We went to the main stage later that night and saw him with a torch
in his hand screaming" USA  USA  USA" at the dj.  The last time I saw
him he was by my  tent trying to overturn the trampoline, and it took a
couple of guys tackling him over and over to get him to stop.

He was also seen walking around with an American flag screaming " Give
me a beer or I will shove this fucking flag up your ass!!!!!"

Meat Rules

peace,
Aaron


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hey, im sunburned and im still up after only sleeping probably a total of 4
hours in the past 2 days. Friday NIght at further was prettty coool.....
DOOrMouse was aweSome! i had some dude complimenting me that i was a girl and
that i was dancing to hardcore.... Saturday night/morning made Up for the lack
of sleep/sunburn.....Steve
Hurley was the bomb!! HE got that crowd jacking in the 100 degree building!!!
But RIchie is the GOd. OH MY GOD... Im still saying that. HE WAS THE SHIT. HIS
SET WAS so Dope and Intense i still cant get over IT!! ( I witnessed him in
madison and it was nuthin like this...) HE kePT the Crowd Moving For the whole
four hours.....this maN knows How to controL a crowd....(i took so many
pictures too....) I was one of those people hugging the speakers the whole
night and I couldnt LEt GO!!  THE BEST PART YET>>>>  (eventhough it was
probably just a loose wire...) RICHIE madE a Speaker Catch On FIRE!!!!  My
friend and i were Hugging the speakers on the far right and I remember it was
at 7:40am ( cause i looked at my watch right b4 all this..)  the bottom left
part of the bass cabinet Blew Out... Then it started to smoke....and it burst
into a flame....Of course we did something about it blah blah....But all I
have To say is......WOW. HIS SET BURNED UP THE SPEAKERS....  This experience
is what made
me realize why i still go to parties every weekend, even though lately i go
and half of the kids are sitting on the floor hanging out and not appreciating
the music and also not dancing. The party in that warehouse was what i would
definitley define as a pure RAVE...It was Dark, there were More lazers than
lights and EVERYBODY WAS DANCING!!! THERE was a VIBE. EVerybody was screaming
and yelling and raising their hands i the air and hugging each other. A very
thick vibe between richie, the kids, and the speakers.....anyways, i must go
to
bed now.....Hopefully i will come up with even more reasons it impacted upon
me.........damn....ok 
xoxo
jackiE


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from The Detroit News)

                            Drug trade gets deadly addition: Magic 'shrooms
                            They're so potent those who take them need
several
                            days to recover.

                            By Gene Schabath

                            There's more than just cocaine, heroin, and
marijuana
                            being peddled on the streets of Metro Detroit.
Narcotics
                            agents across the tri-county are are now running
into an
                            increasinly different type of drug: magic
mushrooms.

                            Wayne County Sheriff Robert A. Ficano said
undercover
                            officers last year seized 37 pounds of
psilocybin, a
                            hallicinogenic mushroom plant that can be chewed
or
                            made into a tea.

                            "It's sort of just bursting onto the scene,"
Ficano said. "It's
                            well-known in the drug trade. It's been around a
long time,
                            but not around here. Users who ingest
psilocybin - known
                            as magic mushrooms or 'shrooms - can get a
sensation
                            that ranges from relaxation to fatigue, Ficano
said.

                            "Larger doses give you a numbness," Ficano said.
"The
                            odd thing is you must refrain from using it for
several days
                            to regain your sensibilities." Bad side effects
of psilocybin
                            include increased blood pressure,
hallucinations, and
                            disorientation.

                            An overdose can cause violent behavior and even
death.
                            Lt. Chris Flo, supervisor of the drug unit for
the Michigan
                            State Police Crime Lab in Sterling Heights, said
of the
                            thousands of drug cases his unit analyzes each
year, only
                            20 to 30 were psilocybin last year.

                            "Some sell bogus psilocybin," Flo said. "There
was a
                            case in Algonic where LSD was sprinkled on a
regular
                            mushroom. Flo said psilocybin was once popular
in the
                            southwestern part of the country and has been
used for
                            religious ceremonies. The drug, popular among
the
                            Aztecs and other Indian tribes, can be traced
back to
                            1,500 B.C.






From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Jun 01 03:26:24 1998
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Ok, I've seen the buggers around for awhile and even owned a few in my time,
but how does chameleon glass actually work? Is based upon false impressions
of
color change due to darkening of the glass, or is there a chemical inside
that
reacts with (?) to for a change? And if this is so, why does it "revert
back" once
cleaned?.... anybody have a clue (not folk lore, but real solid fact)..

Thanx,

o0o[qiB.]o0o




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What, EXACTLY, is NNR an acronym for?

No New Ravers?

Necrophelia, Not Rape?

New Naked Republicans?

Not Nina's Razor?

Nice Nipples Ralph?

Next Noun Renigs!

And I'm an Acrophobia *King*, and I STILL can't figure it out...

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NRR stands for "Not Rave Related" it's usually used so people can delete a e
mail if they want to only read things that have obvious ties to the rave
scene(etc.)
*plur*  gotta learn something new everyday.....
DAvid

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On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 ShroomyGuy@aol.com wrote:

> NRR stands for "Not Rave Related" it's usually used so people can delete a e
> mail if they want to only read things that have obvious ties to the rave
> scene(etc.)
> *plur*  gotta learn something new everyday.....
> DAvid

That's wonderful, really.  I aslo know what PLUR, MUR, and ROAR stand for.

what *I* asked, semi-tongue in cheek, was what NNR stood for, not NRR.

I'm just making sure there isn't some new lingo popping up.

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