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i know i know. eros in windsor sucks or so a lot of people think. well i
just got back from there and i must say that it was definitely slammin'
tonite. omigawd!!! bt basher, one of windsor's best local dj's, opened
up the night spinnin' some nice hard deep house music puttin' the crowd
into a frenzy...settin' up the stage for mr terry mullen. now about
terry not showin' up for gigs in the midwest and what not, i don't know.
but tonite he was here...no excuses no nothing. his records got lost at
the airport...didn't matter...called up a friend of his in michigan and
his buddy brought over some rekkids for him to spin....terry seemed to
have a great time...and well. seems he had such a great time that he
gave the ok for a residency here at eros. yes that's right. resident
dj's at eros now includes t.mullen, m.huckaby, and d-wynn. omigawd!!
after terry spun a shorter set seein' that he didn't have his
rekkids....d-wynn took over and rocked the crowd....all i hafta say is
EROS was definitely the place to be!!

mikey...


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 01 18:51:04 1998
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>Never heard of the promoters, but I'll give em a shot.  I haven't 
>actually heard most of those djs spin, so it'll be a good chance to 
>hear some unframiliar folks. Anybody go ta visionz last night?  I 
>couldn't make it.

it was lame.  party thrown by concrete park kids.  just straight up stupid,
and sandman sound sucks.

now, the invaders with mad trucker gone mad... now THAT was a show!

jon/dica


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 01 18:54:37 1998
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I was talking to a friend the other day and he suggested that Plug, the
experimental crazy badass jungle producer (pick his shit up, if you can find
it) is actually members of DeLa Soul!!! I thought it absurd at first but then
I realized that De La Soul always refers to themselves as Plugs 1,2 & 3. Does
anyone on the list have a definite answer? because that some wierd shit if it
is De La Soul
ok peace
             Doug (dize)

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 01 19:11:15 1998
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March 21, 1998

Bam - St. Louis presents

The Torture Club

with

John Aquaviva - Canada
Terry Mullen - Chicago
Miles Maeda - San Diego/ Chicago
Sluggo - Chicago
Jeff Feller - "the tantilzer" - St. Louis

also with, in second room

Charlie Chan and 24 scientists
Fat Trash
John Gotti
Kookie
Jamie D

this event has a bondage theme so dress appropiately :)

doors open at 10pm and go till 8am in a legal space.  The same space as New
Years.

This event was suppose to be a all night affair with John Aquaviva and
Richie Hawtin but Richie had to postpone because of a prior commitment and
that event will be resheduled for later in the spring.

 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 01 19:42:53 1998
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>I was talking to a friend the other day and he suggested that Plug, the
>experimental crazy badass jungle producer (pick his shit up, if you can find
>it) is actually members of DeLa Soul!!! I thought it absurd at first but then

very wrong.  plug is luke vibert, also know for his work with wagon christ.




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 01 20:56:49 1998
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Black Lotus wrote:
> 
> At 06:22 PM 2/25/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >---matt positive  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 Ravrfrndly@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > the top ten dj's each one of you would like to see play near
> >> > chicago the next few months.
> >>
> I would have to say:
> 
> 1)Mark Newlands
> 2)The Destroyer
> 3)Delta 9
> 4)Eric L
> 5)Richie Hawtin
> 6)Stickmen
> 7)Slayer
> 8)Pantera
> 9)Johhny Cash back from hell on 3 tables
> 10)Dica

ya. pretty much what he said, but i'd haveta add:

da beasties
OMAR SANTANA
yellow smiley
the Meatmen
Public Enemy
i can't believe he didn't say D-to-the-double-O-R-mouse
DJ Smurf
Derrick Carter
dica
CypressHill
that Substance P dork
DJ DAN (i missed the V-day bit, cause i had ammonia)
Omar Santana
Baron Von Rashke
coolio

ummmmm. did someone say Eric L?
him too.

the4r5es ya go.

fuckers.

love,
--aRNO
 
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you can easily get another one for around 100 quids."

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 01 21:09:25 1998
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i gotta concur here; dis kid xotis has an uncanny ability ta match
beats. i saw him fuckin shit up @ dica's crib a while back (a mere few
months into his DJing career) and was quite impressed despite the fact
that "happy" hardcore gives me hives. i think it's those bouncy synths.
i like bouncy kicks, but bouncy synths give me hives.

love,
-aRNO

. xotis . wrote:
> 
> Well, I spin 'happy' hardcore, so I'm sure it's not what you had in
> mind, but maybe I can help.
> 
> in happy hardcore, as well as a lot of music, the song is structured in
> a 4/4 pattern.
> 
> 4 beats to a measure (boom boom boom boom = 1 measure)
> 
> 4 measures till some sort of change (boom boom boom boom (4 times) then
> a piano may come in (for 4 more measures) then a vocal may come in...
> etc etc. of course, this is not *always* the case, but it happens a lot.
> :)
> 
> Now, what I do, is find the FIRST beat on the first of 4 measures on the
> record I am spinning in, most times you want it to be in front of a
> continious kick (drum, clap, etc) that will match with the record you
> are mixing INTO.
> 
> Now, when you hear the 1st beat of the 1st measure on the record you are
> mixing INTO, have your headphones on, release the record you are
> holding, and about to mix in... if it is too slow, then speed it up with
> your finger, if it is too fast, slow it down.
> 
> slow record = speed up with finger, if it slows down again, increase the
> pitch.
> 
> fast record = slow down with finger, if it speeds back up, decrease
> pitch.
> 
> ok, after you figure out what the pitch should be on the record you want
> to mix in, get it back to the 1st beat of the 1st measure you want to
> mix in on, wait for the 1st beat of a 1st measure on the record that you
> want to mix INTO, and release the record when tha tbeat comes arround,
> if it's a bit to slow, spead it up, if it's fast, slow it down, then
> when they sound right, move the crossfader to the center... and mix on
> over.
> 
> That's basically how I mix happy hardcore... now, you can mash it up,
> play arround, do whatever, but that's a basic mix :-)
> 
> Hope it helps! :)
> 
> -Craig/xotis
> 
> >This is something that's been working on my nerves as of late.  Those
> of
> >you who have spun hardcore/speedcore and have found successful
> "formulae"
> >doing so, I would really, really, like to know:
> >
> >1) When you mix in from one track to another, do you try putting both
> >tracks in and beatmatch to them, or rather, find a break in either
> track
> >and then go into the next track w/o putting both tracks in?
> >
> >2) For those who do beatmatch, how do you do it? Starting out, I can't
> get
> >over that it's not like mixing two house tracks.  I don't want to give
> up
> >just yet :)
> >
> >Thank you for yer time!
> >Amene
> >***************************************
> >  If you want to really irk me, do a
> >  rewind when I spin "Country Moog."
> >
> >RHIT Computer Science
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> >
> >
> 
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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Josh wrote:

> I never thought
> that anyone would ever have a serious analysis of seseme street.
> 
 
    my friend and I made one once from a psychological perspective:

COOKIE MONSTER- serious eating disorder/ oral fixation satisfied by
cookies

The COUNT- obsessive/ compulsive behavior displayed by compulsive counting

GROVER- schizophrenic (sometimes a superhero, sometimes afraid of
his own shadow)

ERNIE/ BERT- gay lovers keeping it "in the closet" for now

BIG BIRD/ SNUFFELUPAGUS- Big Bird is an acid dealer, and Snuffy
is an apparition which can only be seen under the influence of acid
(Snuffy is only visible to Big Bird and various children while in 
Big Bird's company)

MR. HOOPER- Big Bird's connection; his store is a front for their
drug business (note- his merchandise and it's shelf position never
vary between episodes)

MAURICE/ MARIA- child molesters
 
we had a complete analysis of the whole cast, but I don't 
remember the rest (we did it like five years ago)

peace outtie,
Russ




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dica! wrote:

> >Anybody go ta visionz last night?  I
> >couldn't make it.
>
> it was lame.  party thrown by concrete park kids.  just straight up stupid,
> and sandman sound sucks.

I wanted to go to Vision Friday night, but a friend had to be at the bus
station
in the morning, so we had our own private party here in Appletomb.  My main
interest in Vision was Adeptus: IMHO, he's pretty damn talented.  How was his
set?

gregory / dj lo

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>in the morning, so we had our own private party here in Appletomb.  My main
>interest in Vision was Adeptus: IMHO, he's pretty damn talented.  How was his
>set?

steve's set was good...  It was a pretty unusual set, not like what he
usually plays.  He played a lot of housey stuff, and some breaks, but not
much trance.  I, of course, didn't mind the lack of trance.  Other than
that, Purpose's PA was fairly good, although not very crowd-pleasing.  When
they came on, people just stopped dancing.  Of course that was when the
cops came by and they turned down the sound temporarily.  Elijah
("UPS-junglist") wasn't especially great. We left around 2:30 because we're
a bunch of wusses who dont know how to rave til dawn.

Oh yeah, the disco ball almost killed me!  I swear I could've died right
there. Me, Alan, and Jon would've all been dead right now if not for pure
luck.  damn.

all in all the party pretty much sucked.  $8 used to buy a lot more quality
partying.  But I shouldn't complain, I had a good laugh at least.

chris

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My top ten fav DJ's (in no particular order):

Sasha (UK)
John Digweed (UK)
Evil Eddie Richards (UK)
Doc Martin (LA soon to be SF)
Roger Sanchez (NY)
Paul Van Dyke (Deutschland)
Stryke (Miami)
Pascal (Vancouver)
Trancefusion (SF)
Carl Cox (UK)

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ummmmmmmm,.... er.


did i say the destroyer?
live would be cool.

*kisses*
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I found this review at the end of this e-mail on e-online (whatever that
is). seems I'm not the only one to notice Alana Davis (have i mentioned
her before?). MTV doesn't like her too much, and VH1 won't play her
either, but this girl's got it.  For anyone that hasn't heard her stuff:
it's got this funky sound that mixes a number of different styles (i
think this is the direction music is going to take: no genre lines). I
think this is an excellent review.  I'm suprised to see it because the
media hasn't been too kind to alana. (I did see a similar kind of review
in "Music Connection," the trade paper, seems that only those inside the
industry think she's going anywhere.  we'll see.  

love
josh

ps i'll try to review techno or something next time, but i figured that
everyone else had diverse musical taste also, and might enjoy this.

http://www.eonline.com/Reviews/Music/Leaves/0,6,512,00.html

                       Possessing a resonant, knowing voice that seems to
                       spring from someplace well beyond her 21 years,
                       Davis is a rarity in the music business: a sure
                       thing. Influenced by Joni Mitchell, Bill Withers
                       and '70s pop/soul, she offers a new take on the
                       '90s alternative singer-songwriter genre. The
                       first single, "32 Flavors," is a wry cover of an
                       Ani DiFranco tune, set to a sequenced drum groove.
                       Better still are the Me'Shell N'degeocello-like
                       "Love & Pride" and "Turtle," which find Davis
                       shifting into a faster tempo as the song's
                       characters experience the rising tide of
                       self-confidence. The title track seems a bit too
                       closely based on the chord progression for Maria
                       Muldaur's 1975 chestnut, "Midnight at the Oasis,"
                       but that's a minor blemish on a wonderful debut by
                       an artist to be reckoned with.


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In a message dated 3/1/98 6:16:51 PM, you wrote:

>Carl Cox (UK)

why did/do I think Carl is from Detroit?

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oh yeah, we saw that guy at the Aphex Twin show, thanx for clearing that up.


peace
       Doug (dize)

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          This party blew, the sound blew, the lights were non-existant (and
the disco ball almost killed as already mentioned), the Djs (excluding Adeptus
and Chad) all blew, Purpose did some decent Live stuff but didn't keep the
crowd moving, Eternal Soul's Live PA blew, the space stank and was very
stuffy, and they didn't even have good playstation games!!, heh. Almost half
the crowd left after Adeptus's set, which was around 3(i think), very weird. I
wish I could've left earlier cause after Chad it all went downhill, the owner
of the space spun after him for like 2 hours and blew, am I seeing a trend
here? The only really good thing about the party was watching the speedfreak
going spastik on the dance floor, go speedfreak, go speedfreak, GO!!!!

     Also, I looked back on it and wondered where all the money went to? The
space was free cause it was owned by one of the guys that threw the party, the
Djs were all locals (half of which nobody ever heard of), the sound couldn't
have costed that much, there was no lights(or not many at least). Do ya think
these people were trying to make some money?!?!, yeah I think so. Now I got
nothing against money making, but try to not make it so obvious, k?

Ok I haven't reviewed a party ina while but this party errked me.
Ok rant mode off

Peace 

         Doug (dize)

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Yes....We were once again stood up in Louisville.  This time it was by 
Frankie Bones.  (Did I really expect him to show??)  BUT--the party was 
still awesome.  Tim did a really good job throwing this one.  The space 
was a little small, but the Club Rage had some great sound and lights.  

WEnt in around midnight and some kid was spinning some pretty good 
hard techno.  Then my boy Benman went on around 12:30 and rocked the 
damn house down.  I never seen a dj mc at the same time.  Mad props to 
Ben for getting the dance floor moving and the old skool set at the end. 
Danced my ass off.  Next up was supposed to be Frankiew, but Adam X 
showed instead.  He did an extended set that had everybody movin.  
Thanks to Tim for letting us go outside and take a breather.  It was 
really stuffy and hot inside.  I really enjoyed being frisked by the 
cute girl when coming back in.  After that, I danced for a short while 
longer to Adam and went to the car to nap.  My friend came back and woke 
me up to go see Wilhelm K who I didn't even know was gonna spin.  I 
think someone talked him into it.  ANd it was a great idea.  He is the 
unknown SHIT.  But he is gettin big fast!  Does this guy show up 
everywhere of what??  I think he's finally starting to get the respect 
he deserves.  After that, we left.  Had a greart time.  Definately worth 
the $12, even with out Frankie.  Thanks, Tim.

Peace,
Andy

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> BIG BIRD/ SNUFFELUPAGUS- Big Bird is an acid dealer, and Snuffy
> is an apparition which can only be seen under the influence of acid
> (Snuffy is only visible to Big Bird and various children while in 
> Big Bird's company)

no. big bird is not a dealer. he just has a massive cocaine habit --
snuffy is the coke hallucination [note the LARGE nose] due to the fact no
one else can ever see him.

> MR. HOOPER- Big Bird's connection; his store is a front for their
> drug business (note- his merchandise and it's shelf position never
> vary between episodes)

hooper is bb's connection, beyond a shadow of a doubt. hooper was
definitely a mob guy too -- and was knocked off somehow [no open casket
funeral, remember?] anyway...

peace,
adnrew


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really didn;t think frankie would show,  didn't matter anyway.. kinda bored of
seeing him... went with my friends to flyer, they found out the only had $15
between the two of them... and i only had $12... so my friend tried to see if
he could get in to fly for a party he is spinning at... they told him it was a
"piss poorr" stack of the fliers... so i dropped mine off and left wih them
since i was their ride... nice to finally see how club rage is... weird breaks
were playing when we got there... not to upset about not going.. haven't been
in the mood to go out in a while...  and i haven't had the cash... so at least
i had money for gas on the way home.. .life works in mysterious ways... 

well... i guess that is all.... hmmm... yup

paul

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At 07:59 PM 3/1/98 EST, Dfunkster wrote:
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>In a message dated 3/1/98 6:16:51 PM, you wrote:
>
>>Carl Cox (UK)
>
>why did/do I think Carl is from Detroit?
>
>

maybe because Carl Craig is from Detroit.  Just a hunch.


.lotek
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+drone
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will someone please send me the 411...on meow mix time date city! who's
gonna be there!!!! please!

luv ya kiddes!
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I would love to see any of these DJs in the Midwest:

* Luke Solomon (UK)
* Tony Humphries
* DJ Dan 
* Laurent Garnier
* Mike Dearborn
* Dub Tribe
* Daft Punk or Thomas Bangalter
* Sleepy C
* Kikoman
* Adam Marshall (Toronto)
Shit! It's not possible to keep this to 10!
* Sven Vath
* Carl Cox 
* CArl Craig
* The midwest needs more variety. I would be up to hear any good DJs
from the West Coast, Canada and Europe. 


Also, if you're looking for some less well-known up-and-comers to flesh
out your line-up:

* Nitro (St. Louis)
* Jeff Feller (St. Louis 
* Tim Johnston (KC)
* Pat Nice (KC)
* LemonLymon (Columbus)
* Hesohi (Columbus)

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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, NAME wrote:

> My friend came back and woke me up to go see Wilhelm K who I didn't
> even know was gonna spin.  I think someone talked him into it.  ANd it
> was a great idea.  He is the unknown SHIT.  But he is gettin big fast!
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^       
 bwhahahahaahahaha!@#  

 how true...

      randy / pr0zac
     






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At 11:43 PM 3/1/98 -0500, randy wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, NAME wrote:
>
>> My friend came back and woke me up to go see Wilhelm K who I didn't
>> even know was gonna spin.  I think someone talked him into it.  ANd it
>> was a great idea.  He is the unknown SHIT.  But he is gettin big fast!
>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
> bwhahahahaahahaha!@#  
>
> how true...
>
>      randy / pr0zac
>     
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>
>Welcome to St. Louis, CT!  There are plenty of us ravers here in the
>"Gateway City."  We just like to keep it on the down low. hehe.. j/k.
>You'll probably run into quite a few of us hither and thither.
>

Thanks for the welcome, Angel.  Sorry to take so long  to respond, exam 
tomorrow morning and a report due in the afternoon. <Don't ask!>

So I take a brake and check the list again and realized that I didn't 
write back earlier.

Take care.... hope to see y'all around soon.

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>Hey, just wanted to say HI!
>
>Not too many St. Louis folks on the list from what I've seen - much 
higher
>concentration up North (Madison/Mineapolis/Chicago).  Anyways, there's
>maybe 10 or so folks that I've seen.

Thanks for the welcome.  Saw it the other day but was too swamped to 
reply.  Exam tomorrow and report due <don't ask>.  I called the numbers 
you gave -- THANKS -- and thought about going to SAINTS on Friday, but 
plans got changed.

So I guess I'll get back to the books <boring>!!!

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At 11:43 PM 3/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, NAME wrote:
>
>> My friend came back and woke me up to go see Wilhelm K who I didn't
>> even know was gonna spin.  I think someone talked him into it.  ANd it
>> was a great idea.  He is the unknown SHIT.  But he is gettin big fast!
>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
> bwhahahahaahahaha!@#  
>
> how true...
>
>      randy / pr0zac


I don't know..but my honest opinion is that Wilhem K is not that good of a
dj as your all sayin..Infact on of the main reasons he spins at parties is
because there his party...I sure in the hell wouldn't book him....



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 02 06:14:36 1998
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> >> My friend came back and woke me up to go see Wilhelm K who I didn't
> >> even know was gonna spin.  I think someone talked him into it.  ANd it
> >> was a great idea.  He is the unknown SHIT.  But he is gettin big fast!
> >                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     
> > bwhahahahaahahaha!@#  
> >
> > how true...
> >
> >      randy / pr0zac
> 
> 
> I don't know..but my honest opinion is that Wilhem K is not that good of a
> dj as your all sayin..Infact on of the main reasons he spins at parties is
> because there his party...I sure in the hell wouldn't book him....
> 
> 

I believe he didn't mean getting big as a DJ
I think it was more addressed to his tummy.. (=

I agree that his DJ skillz arn't anything special
as far as i'm concerned i think the midwest scene would be better if
wilhem K wasn't in it.

Jisa / morgan



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In a message dated 3/2/98 1:08:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
theworm@evansville.net writes:

> At 11:43 PM 3/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>  >On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, NAME wrote:
>  >
>  >> My friend came back and woke me up to go see Wilhelm K who I didn't
>  >> even know was gonna spin.  I think someone talked him into it.  ANd it
>  >> was a great idea.  He is the unknown SHIT.  But he is gettin big fast!
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  > bwhahahahaahahaha!@#  

>  > how true...
 
>  I don't know..but my honest opinion is that Wilhem K is not that good of a
>  dj as your all sayin..Infact on of the main reasons he spins at parties is
>  because there his party...I sure in the hell wouldn't book him....

i think they didn;t say he was good.. i think they agreed he was unknown shit
and getting big.... 

i dunno, i have heard him and sometimes he is good, some times he sucks...
sounds like most dj's i have hear many times...

to each his own...

paul

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At 01:11 AM 3/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>> >> My friend came back and woke me up to go see Wilhelm K who I didn't
>> >> even know was gonna spin.  I think someone talked him into it.  ANd it
>> >> was a great idea.  He is the unknown SHIT.  But he is gettin big fast!
>> >                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>     
>> > bwhahahahaahahaha!@#  
>> >
>> > how true...
>> >
>> >      randy / pr0zac
>> 
>> 
>> I don't know..but my honest opinion is that Wilhem K is not that good of a
>> dj as your all sayin..Infact on of the main reasons he spins at parties is
>> because there his party...I sure in the hell wouldn't book him....
>> 
>> 
>
>I believe he didn't mean getting big as a DJ
>I think it was more addressed to his tummy.. (=
>
>I agree that his DJ skillz arn't anything special
>as far as i'm concerned i think the midwest scene would be better if
>wilhem K wasn't in it.
>
>Jisa / morgan


hahahahaha right on...I think he is gettin bigger in the tummy ;)


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 02 06:18:20 1998
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All i can sai is.....he aint that good at ALL and main reason he gets
booked is cuz he promotes and is known all over midwest. But his dj'ing is
shitty. I heard his tapes before....and i was NOT impressed...

Give it up for Bridget's lil sis *hehe*..hi Morgan by the way

Me


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 02 06:26:34 1998
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Nice Musique will be closed for the Winter Music
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that Friday night, March 13, check out Faded, a new
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July 3-5, taking place on 100 acres of "virgin cornfield" in central 
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ABOVE GROUND!!

It's TIME, fellow ravers, to recognize that our scene is ready for a new 
phase. We've been growing every year, getting stronger and stronger as a 
MOVEMENT! It's up to us to take this movement to a new level: OPERATION 
ABOVE GROUND!!

In partnership with Liquid E(ntertainment), ECSTATIC DANCE PRODUCTIONS 
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OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!

At this point we are not yet ready to reveal the fabulous acts we have 
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have monitored your top ten list postings for DJs you would like to see 
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But this one will be different: we want families to come, new people, 
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fifties and older, people who are, by day, seemingly "normal", 
accountants, teachers, golfers (amateur AND pro!), truckers, cowboys, 
politicians (?, *gasp* yes!), prostitutes, talk show hosts (hint hint) 
and more! We must now be ambassadors of our rave nation, fostering 
understanding among those who do not. For these are END TIMES, as 
prophecied by Nostradamus. Perhaps what the world needs, to survive 
these dark days ahead, are parties like OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!

We need your help. We need your suggestions and we could always use more 
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we hope to take it on the road if we at least break even on the 4th of 
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We will be extending an invitation for a representative from the US 
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events like a phat pants contest and a blowpop licking contest! We will 
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So email us, tell us your hopes and dreams for this party, as we plan on 
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P.L.U.R. to ALL! Jake

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At 10:31 PM 3/1/98 PST, jacob feierbaum wrote:
>July 3-5, taking place on 100 acres of "virgin cornfield" in central 
>Illinois, ECSTATIC DANCE PRODUCTIONS is proud to annouce: OPERATION 
>ABOVE GROUND!!

my god...

>At this point we are not yet ready to reveal the fabulous acts we have 
>already confirmed, but rest assured, we shall have the BIGGEST names. We 
>have monitored your top ten list postings for DJs you would like to see 
>in the Chicago area, so we have, or will be talking to, booking agents 
>for Jeff Mills' US tour, DJ Trace (UK), DJ Zinc (UK), BT, and the 
>Crystal Method, among others. You can be sure that along with events 
>like Emerald City, Furthur, and IO, everyone will remember the legendary 
>music at OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!

werd to Jeff Mills, but Crystal Method is right there next to a vasectomy
for me...

>We need your help. We need your suggestions and we could always use more 
>investors! We have gotten the ball rolling, this event WILL happen and 
>we hope to take it on the road if we at least break even on the 4th of 
>July weekend. Most of all, we want to make history and set an example. 
>We will be extending an invitation for a representative from the US 
>Government (if not the President himself!) to attend the party. We will 
>also be offering a family discount, a discount for the handicapped, and 
>a discount for ravers over 30 of age. We will be showcasing the finest 
>elements of our subculture, tattooing, piercing, for example, plus fun 
>events like a phat pants contest and a blowpop licking contest! We will 
>have a mass prayer/meditation session for the planet, too. And although 
>we do not condone the use of drugs at our party, we will be selling 
>ecstacy test kits (from the Netherlands) at the party in order to 
>promote responsible use at OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!

This is a HORRIBLE idea.  Please go away.

.lotek
.phear------paradyme@lotek.org
+drone
|_______jeff.

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> All i can sai is.....he aint that good at ALL and main reason he gets
> booked is cuz he promotes and is known all over midwest. But his dj'ing is
> shitty. I heard his tapes before....and i was NOT impressed...

its all business to him. he honestly doesn't give a fuck about the 'scene'
or make any attempt to further it in any way. all he does is go to parties
to pawn off his $10 mixtapes and mix-cds and to flyer for "Get
Ripped-Off" or whatever the next "C.O.K. Midwest" extravaganza is
entitled. the amount of money he makes off of his parties is disgusting;
which is hard for me to understand since it seems he randomly picks a
handful of djs from a pool of about 30, most of them 'big-names' but all
totally played out in the midwest.

i would think by this time people would tire of a totally thoughtless and
generic dj lineup and a $20-$25 price tag, but guess not. 

anyway, to make a long post short: don't support shady promoters that
don't care about you. bah...

     randy / pr0zac


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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, randy wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> 
> > All i can sai is.....he aint that good at ALL and main reason he gets
> > booked is cuz he promotes and is known all over midwest. But his dj'ing is
> > shitty. I heard his tapes before....and i was NOT impressed...
> 
> its all business to him. he honestly doesn't give a fuck about the 'scene'
> or make any attempt to further it in any way. all he does is go to parties
> to pawn off his $10 mixtapes and mix-cds and to flyer for "Get
> Ripped-Off" or whatever the next "C.O.K. Midwest" extravaganza is
> entitled. the amount of money he makes off of his parties is disgusting;
> which is hard for me to understand since it seems he randomly picks a
> handful of djs from a pool of about 30, most of them 'big-names' but all
> totally played out in the midwest.
> 
> i would think by this time people would tire of a totally thoughtless and
> generic dj lineup and a $20-$25 price tag, but guess not. 
> 
> anyway, to make a long post short: don't support shady promoters that
> don't care about you. bah...
> 
>      randy / pr0zac
> 
> 



Ya but you know wut....even tho Future Funk sucked...peopel still went and
he still had 800 pople show up...I mean coem ON now the man is makin crazy
fucken cash and everybody is lettign that shit happen just cuz they wanna
shake that ass to the booty house and see sum danny scratching. It gets
old after a while sorry




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In a message dated 3/2/98 1:44:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
johnsonl@marietta.edu writes:

> its all business to him. he honestly doesn't give a fuck about the 'scene'
>  or make any attempt to further it in any way.

damn, i must say about at least 50% of midwest promoters fill this.. dare i
say more... i would say in the US as a whole... prolly 75% or more fill that
all aboutmoney and names... but you can't bitch, you do a party without the
names, people don't come, do one with the names they come, doesn't take a
genius to realize that when that much money is on the line you better break
even, so get the names to do it.. really can't bitch at the promoters, people
only support the names... is kinda sad

paul

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Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> All i can sai is.....he aint that good at ALL and main reason he gets
> booked is cuz he promotes and is known all over midwest. But his
> dj'ing is
> shitty. I heard his tapes before....and i was NOT impressed...

K spun in Denver two weeks ago and it was like talking to god.  After
going to party after party of moonshine trance djs and bad boy bill
look-alikes, there is nothing more relieving than hearing someone spin
something with a little non-coporate,
outside-the-metaphysical-realm-of-the-shopping-mall style.  On the other
hand, I heard three outright screw ups, and he wasn't very nice to me
when I told him I appreciated his selections.  But I really miss being
in a place where a guy like that is a small deal, because he rocked the
place here, but only by comparison....

--dannyQ


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SATURDAY:  MARCH 14: 1998
Chicago's PURE Pleasure Experience & Unique Musique present:

NUMB3RS

dj's to include:

DARREN PRICE  - London, U.K. / Novamute Recording Artist / Underworld's
1996 Tour DJ
GAYLE SAN - London, U.K. / Tribal Gathering Resident DJ / Club OMEN
Resident DJ (Germany)
DIMITRI - Amsterdam / One of Mixmag U.K.'s top 10 dj's in the world /
Resident dj @ Renaissance, U.K.
TRAXX - Chicago / One of the few house heads that still knows the real
meaning of JACK
KIMBERLY NYX - Milwaukee / Drop Bass Terror Unit / Trance advocate
JOHN "Break It Down" SIMMONS - Chicago / Undaground Revolution
TOMMIE SUNSHINE - Atlanta / Satellite Records / In his own catergory of
dj's / originally from Chicago
DANNY THE WILDCHILD - Chicago / spinning an extended set of straight up
HIP-HOP and JUNGLE
MATT MICHAELS - Chicago / Unique Musique / up and coming dj, promoter and
trance advocate



admission:

$17 advance (tickets available Feb 14 - Mar 13)
$17 pure plus cardholders
$20 general admission (day of the event)

information:

http://www.purewpcm.com
312.409.PURE

some other info in regards to this party:  We had a few real problems
printing fliers for this party.  There are a two different fliers,
different sizes that bear slightly different information.  The line-up for
the gig is what it is.  It includes international talent, us talent, and a
variety of excellent dj's playing everything under the sun.  Check the
website or the info line for the real deal on location, price, directions,
etc. etc.  It's been a while since we've put something together the old
fashioned way.  We're looking forward to reminding people that there are
still crews out there that know how to put together a diverse line-up of
dj's that keep a room filled from start to finish.  good luck around at the
parties and we'll see you there.



Love & Music
PURE/WPCM



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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Husqvarnic wrote:

> damn, i must say about at least 50% of midwest promoters fill this.. dare i
> say more... i would say in the US as a whole... prolly 75% or more fill that
> all aboutmoney and names... 

true. but there is a line between making money and trying to rape the
scene for all its worth. he crosses this line. if you ever saw his pitch
for his mix tapes/cds, you would swear that he's a former used car salesman.

> but you can't bitch, you do a party without the
> names, people don't come, do one with the names they come, doesn't take a
> genius to realize that when that much money is on the line you better break
> even, so get the names to do it.. really can't bitch at the promoters, people
> only support the names... is kinda sad

i guess i have more faith in the people than some. myself & a couple of
friends threw an all-jungle party in columbus last month. no 'huge names'
but a quality and well-respected lineup, and a cheap price. over 500
people showed up, i think proving that there are plenty of people out
there that are willing to look past the name-game and support smaller
events that actually do deliver.

it's been said on here time and time again; don't bitch, do something
about it. i know that it's not possible for everyone to throw a party, but
its the most effective way i can think of to change things.

if kids pay $10 for a party that lasts 9.5 hours and have a great time,
then next weekend pay $25 for a bullshit party with 2 headliners that
don't show and it gets busted at 4am, maybe next time they won't be so
quick to shell out that $25.

wishful thinking probably...

but if you can't throw your own party, please go out and support your
local guys that are trying to keep it real and aren't in it for the money.
you'll find big names don't mean shit!

btw - did i mention Wilhelm's party Future Funk was the same night as
ours? looks like at least 500 people are losing interest in generic
overpriced parties.

     randy / pr0zac


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In a message dated 3/2/98 12:43:29 AM, jeff wrote:

>At 10:31 PM 3/1/98 PST, jacob feierbaum wrote:
>>July 3-5, taking place on 100 acres of "virgin cornfield" in central 
>>Illinois, ECSTATIC DANCE PRODUCTIONS is proud to annouce: OPERATION 
>>ABOVE GROUND!!
>
>my god...

That's what I said.....good lord have mercy!!!!!
>
>>At this point we are not yet ready to reveal the fabulous acts we have 
>>already confirmed, but rest assured, we shall have the BIGGEST names. We 
>>have monitored your top ten list postings for DJs you would like to see 
>>in the Chicago area, so we have, or will be talking to, booking agents 
>>for Jeff Mills' US tour, DJ Trace (UK), DJ Zinc (UK), BT, and the 
>>Crystal Method, among others. You can be sure that along with events 
>>like Emerald City, Furthur, and IO, everyone will remember the legendary 
>>music at OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!
>
>werd to Jeff Mills, but Crystal Method is right there next to a vasectomy
>for me...
>

Jeff Mills ay?  I doubt it.  Those guys in Kalamazoo are trying to get him for
the same time frame....of which I'm placing my bet on  compared to this and
regardless if he shows up or not.  If we're are gonna open minds up here, get
someone we haven't all heard of in a broader scale.  Get some underground
peeps that has worked hard and produce cutting edge music and I mean really
cutting edge.  Vascectomy, hehehe..good one Jeff =)  

>>We need your help. We need your suggestions and we could always use more 
>>investors! We have gotten the ball rolling, this event WILL happen and 
>>we hope to take it on the road if we at least break even on the 4th of 
>>July weekend. Most of all, we want to make history and set an example. 
>>We will be extending an invitation for a representative from the US 
>>Government (if not the President himself!) to attend the party. We will 
>>also be offering a family discount, a discount for the handicapped, and 
>>a discount for ravers over 30 of age. We will be showcasing the finest 
>>elements of our subculture, tattooing, piercing, for example, plus fun 
>>events like a phat pants contest and a blowpop licking contest! We will 
>>have a mass prayer/meditation session for the planet, too. And although 
>>we do not condone the use of drugs at our party, we will be selling 
>>ecstacy test kits (from the Netherlands) at the party in order to 
>>promote responsible use at OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!
>
>This is a HORRIBLE idea.  Please go away.

You gotta be kidding...Yikes!   The president?  Good Lord!!!
I agree with you..this is a horrible idea.  I don't even think that for once
the Queen of England has attended a rave.  Not that it wouldn't be cool but
please, we have to look at reality here folks.

nuff ramblin'

g.
>
>.lotek
>.phear------paradyme@lotek.org
>+drone
>|_______jeff.

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wilhelm is fat. KFC had better watch out.  
end of story.  
he doesn't really merit 9 posts in the space of 2 hours. so stop already.
chris


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My god--two major ass corporate family raves on the same weekend (Don't
forget about IndepenDance, the largest rave that has ever been held in
America happening in Cincy the same weekend!!!) How am I ever going to
decide which one to go to....I have a better idea...

Operation Underground--July 3-5th-taking our scene back where it belongs

This series of raves will be happening all over America--in abandoned
warehouses as well as large cornfields. We will have decent DJs, including
some you've might've heard of, but don't worry if you haven't, they just
want to play their rekkids and watch kids dance to their creations.
Admission is free, just some canned food and donations would be extremely
appreciated. Please bring pixi stix and blow pops--costumes are
encouraged, as well as nudity--This will be a weekend of loud music and
hedonism. Drum circles are encouraged, as well as god/dess worshipping. If
ya just wants to dance that's fine too. Hell, if you just want to come and
clap your hands that's cool--but please, smiles only.Our scene has been
appropriated for too long, and its time to take it back where it belongs.
Please--no talk show hosts or politicians.

PeaceLovePowerMagick
Eric

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"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution" 
							-Emma Goldman-


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 02 08:35:36 1998
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Anyone know whats up with Chernobyl Farms??? Cosmik Cupid and Phuture
Phunk didn't go off and they've postponed the rest of their parties.
Anyone in mpls more in the know about wassup here???

PeaceLovePowerMagick
Eric

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"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution" 
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Yo peeps,

We're trying our best to offer up the kind of parties that we and
probably most of you feel are the real deal.  The price for Numb3rs
crept up on us a bit.  If you'de like to get in for the $17bucks, you
can hit the website and fill out the pure plus thingy and we'll mail you
out a little card that gets you in to anything that we do for a lower
price.  Not to be cheesy, but, we think that it's a good way to create
as family of a feeling as is possible.  I myself, am sort of missing the
family feeling that was around in 96.  But, no matter how far away we
seem to get sometimes, there is still always a feeling of unity between
people on the list.  Even when we're flaming the hell out of one
another.  Thanks and keep keeping it on!

http://www.purewpcm.com

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oh yeah...if you all wanna attend a f'real party...well, at least more
so...go to Family Affair.
the last couple years, it's been that same weekend. These corporate
rave-a-poloozas outta be #1 on Saddam's bombing list, but hey, everyone's
'bout it 'bout it with the dolla dollah billz ya'll. blah.

peace.

.lotek
.phear------paradyme@lotek.org
+drone
|_______jeff.

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, randy wrote:

> it's been said on here time and time again; don't bitch, do something
> about it. i know that it's not possible for everyone to throw a party, but
> its the most effective way i can think of to change thingsActually Paul


has tried to do something a few times in the past.  rember Moo Cow and
Helix?  We threw those with the right intentions...solid lineups...blah
blah blah....one was 10 the other 12....both full scale production.
between the two we lost like 6 or 7 grand....yeah we learned from spending
errors and promtional errors...but the truth is between the two we got
like 350 kids.....sigh.

Im glad you had better luck.


-dan


> 


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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, MiNiMa573 wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 3/2/98 12:43:29 AM, jeff wrote:
> 
> >At 10:31 PM 3/1/98 PST, jacob feierbaum wrote:
> >>July 3-5, taking place on 100 acres of "virgin cornfield" in central 
> >>Illinois, ECSTATIC DANCE PRODUCTIONS is proud to annouce: OPERATION 
> >>ABOVE GROUND!!


Hey!!!!!  Isn't this party going to be up against Indepenidance?


laughing....no really....laughing.

-dan




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>We're trying our best to offer up the kind of parties that we and
>probably most of you feel are the real deal.  The price for Numb3rs
>crept up on us a bit.  If you'de like to get in for the $17bucks, you
>can hit the website and fill out the pure plus thingy and we'll mail you
>out a little card that gets you in to anything that we do for a lower
>price.  Not to be cheesy, but, we think that it's a good way to create
>as family of a feeling as is possible.  I myself, am sort of missing the

what family feeling?  more like an exclusive club feeling.  a membership
card.  the cyber-elite. what about people who don't have a computer?  are
they to be penalized for not being part of the "computer family?"  They pay
$3 more because they don't have the opportunity to put their address on
your mailing list?  



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>wilhelm is fat. KFC had better watch out.  

i hear he used that car wash in menominee... uhh...

nevermind.

jon/dica

np:  mc hammer - u can't touch this


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>what family feeling?  more like an exclusive club feeling.  a membership
>card.  the cyber-elite. what about people who don't have a computer?  are
>they to be penalized for not being part of the "computer family?"  They pay
>$3 more because they don't have the opportunity to put their address on
>your mailing list?  

It was my impression that the internet was only one way of signing up for
the pure card, I don't know this, but I thought that pure was just giving
us one way (probably the easiest way for people on a mailing list) to sign
up, I suppose we're looking for some clarification?  Doesn't Plastik
Productions have a similar type of thing?

Cheerio!
Koog ~~ Tracy
	
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 02 15:29:26 1998
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Hi all

I am doing research on the effects of prolonged ecstasy  (XTC) use.  As part of this
research I have designed a simple questionaire to guage various patterns of use.
 

Please could anyone who has:	
	a) Used ecstasy for more than 12 months and 
	b) Used ecstasy in the last 6 months
please take 5 minutes, and fill in my multiple choice questionaire which can be found
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	http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/andy_yelland

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$ whois ecstaticdance.com
[rs.internic.net]
No match for "ECSTATICDANCE.COM".

The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY non-military 
Domains and
POC's.  Other associated whois servers:
  American Registry for Internet Numbers whois server - whois.arin.net
  European IP Address Allocations whois server - whois.ripe.net
  Asia Pacific IP Address Allocations whois server - whois.apnic.net
  US Military whois server - whois.nic.mil



You do the math.





Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
http://barkingcat.org/		 Speed the day."   - Karl Marx


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 02 17:04:51 1998
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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Josh wrote:

> Elmo is rave related because he is a popular rave toy, south park because
> it's a part of the rave culture. promoters are absolutly a part of the
> rave scene.   religion is not because everyone's ideas
> are so spread out, and fights always break out.

Sorry, but this doesn't work either.  Peoples' idea about EVERYthing are 
spread out.  I'mnot arguing that we shouldn't talk about promoters on 
this list, but I'll bet my takke on the 'job' of a promoter is quite a 
bit different than a lot of people on this list.

The reason people don't want to discuss religiong here is that it is a 
painful subject, as is politics and social theory.  But IMHO just about 
everything is a painful subject when you talk about it enough.  I get the 
impression from the posts from people re: religiong on the list thaat all 
they want from the mw-raves list is smiles, hugs and reviews about 
parties telling us which promoter to avoid (like anyone ever takes this 
sort of advice anyway).

As for religious debate on this list I think that if people can keep the 
personal jabs out of the fray then why not talk about it?  Or worse yet, 
if people start screaming at list members for being evil and they're all 
going to hell; this sort of talk should go private, off the list.  
Besides, as far as a lot of religious thought is concerned, we all are 
going to hell.

> ps grind pants and E is a part of the culture as well, like it or not.

True, but I don't want to talk about it and I don't want to read it.  But 
if you want to post about it, by all means please do.  And as for South 
Park, how is that 'part of our culture?'



Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
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I just had to share my discovery...

I picked up this rad ass cd yesterday called 'electro-lyte'.
It was produced by various milwaukee artists and just ROCKS!

Low Fidelity Index	The Gufs (a really jammin mix of smile)
Cirque		Initial Intensity		
Citizen King vs Shiverhead and the prophet nicodemus (!!)
Stranj Child	Digicorps	
Power Maxim	Beverly Hills 808303 (milw?)
xNeumaticon

it also has an entertaining cd rom on the disk
This was put out by the same electronic media alliance that did the 
fullerton project and is on Conversion Media

check out http://www.electrolyte.com

hope someone out there gets off on this as much as I do.
props to these peeps for showing off milwaukee's talent!!

elaine
aka DJ Miscellaneous          http://www.barkingcat.org/eos/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
		eos@barkingcat.org


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In a message dated 98-03-02 01:31:47 EST, you write:

> Most of all, we want to make history and set an example. 
>  We will be extending an invitation for a representative from the US 
>  Government (if not the President himself!) to attend the party. 

mmm.hmmm

>  We will 
>  also be offering a family discount, a discount for the handicapped, and 
>  a discount for ravers over 30 of age. We will be showcasing the finest 
>  elements of our subculture, tattooing, piercing, for example, plus fun 
>  events like a phat pants contest and a blowpop licking contest!

that's the punch line, right??  i thought this note was a setup to a really
elaborate joke...

is Michelin Tires sponsoring this one too??


cheers
Blue

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<html><div>I am back... I don 't know why?? Maybe I am homesick....</div>
<div>oh no wait I wanted to know more about that possible</div>
<div>party at the end of August ;) and if there is going to be a</div>
<div>family affair this year (the perfect excuse to go home)</div>
<div>and any other reasons like ummm plus8 parties ;)</div>
<br>
<div>I am just keeping an eye on you guys so you don't get</div>
<div>into troble *snicker*</div>
<br>
Jenni/Efron
<BR>

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<br>
Jennifer Palmer<br>
Texas Hardcorps - Austin, Texas<br>
Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad - Austin, Texas<br>
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<a href="http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/texas" eudora="autourl">http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/texas</a><br>
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> ----------
> From: 	dica![SMTP:jabraun@students.wisc.edu]
> Sent: 	 February 28, 1998 2:37PM
> To: 	Husqvarnic
> Cc: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	Re: Just a Friendly Reminder
> 
> would you buy an underground, self-burned mix cd by a local dj?
> 
Yes, if it was the style of music I want to hear.  The sound quality is
usually much better versus a mixtape.  


O:)

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well i got this tape from Tim a few weeks ago and i finally got aroudn to
listening to it (not just hearing it)

Name: Tim Krochalk
Name of Tape: FLoW

side A

nice uplifitn trancey/house...not hard pounding...   mixed well...really
not my style...but it is well done..easy to dance to

side B

this is what caught me....   in the midwest we dont hear breaks too
often...  he spins beautiful chill/sorta funky breaks...more o  t eh chill
side...  very beautiful....   mixed well (as far as i can tell..but im not
a breaks.fiend)...    this si the style i liek to hear at 5-7 am  =)

tim has progressed termendously since the days of hearing him in basements
around milwaukee....   a nicely mixed tape...  if you wish to contact him
call  317.635.4888   its Funk Enterprises out of Indy   ...big ups to tim
for keeping with it

-mikeD


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> ----------
> From: 	Adam Mertz[SMTP:ndot9@flinthills.com]
> Sent: 	 February 28, 1998 9:38PM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	Re: I never thought...
> 
> >josh
> >ps that show's da bomb though.  made me what I am (or ain't) today.
> 
> Well since I lived on a farm for 13 years (snip) and didn't have
> cable, PBS was one of the only stations we could get out in the
> boonies.. so I take the show's foundations seriously.  :-)
> 
Right on.  I was the same way (I'm 23, too).  I never even discovered
afternoon cartoons until I was close to 9 years old.  My lil bro
introduced me to them.  I learned most of my basic Spanish from there,
along w/ many other things.  

The show predating the late 1980's was the best.  I have peeked in on
the newer episodes, and it seems sort of week and patronizing.  Of
course, it probably has to do with the fact that I am much older & more
intelligent than I was back then.  Eh, whatever; as long as SS and
Barney don't do any mergers.  >>>shiver<<< that is a scary thought.


Peace,
Angel O:)

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> ----------
> From: 	Russell E Schneider[SMTP:rschne1@uic.edu]
> Sent: 	 March 01, 1998 3:14PM
> To: 	Josh
> Cc: 	Adam Mertz; mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	Re: I never thought...
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Josh wrote:
>     my friend and I made one once from a psychological perspective:
> 
> COOKIE MONSTER- serious eating disorder/ oral fixation satisfied by
> cookies
> 
> GROVER- schizophrenic (sometimes a superhero, sometimes afraid of his
> own shadow)
> 
> BIG BIRD/ SNUFFELUPAGUS- Big Bird is an acid dealer, and Snuffy
> is an apparition which can only be seen under the influence of acid
> (Snuffy is only visible to Big Bird and various children while in 
> Big Bird's company)
> 
Ok, I can see how those would fit; but I still liked Grover.  We all
have our differing fears and strengths.  And that thing about Snuffy is
true, too.  Well, at least about the part that only BB and a few others
can see him.

> MAURICE/ MARIA- child molesters
> 
Now THAT is a bit much.  Maria was just a really nice lady; she was one
of my favorite human characters.  She was like the Mother icon in the
show.  I can't remember much about Maurice, but he was cool, too.  

But, hey, that's just MY opinion.  I'm letting my emotions in the way on
that one.  Heck, I still have a SS postcard that was sent to me for
joining their club way back when.  I keep it w/ my rave flyers.  :)


Peace,
Angel O:)

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>  

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Not again....

jacob feierbaum wrote:

> At this point we are not yet ready to reveal the fabulous acts we have
> already confirmed

Of course.  They might change their minds now, if they exist.

> have monitored your top ten list postings for DJs you would like to see
> in the Chicago area, so we have, or will be talking to, booking agents
> for Jeff Mills' US tour, DJ Trace (UK), DJ Zinc (UK), BT, and the
> Crystal Method, among others

Okay, I looked through  my archive of the top 10 DJ listings.  I didn't see
Crystal
Method or BT listed in them.

Is that a 'buzz word' I hear in the background?  Bzzzzzzzzz.


> we want families to come, new people,
> people who have never raved before, people in their thirties, forties,
> fifties and older, people who are, by day, seemingly "normal",
> accountants, teachers, golfers (amateur AND pro!), truckers, cowboys,
> politicians (?, *gasp* yes!), prostitutes, talk show hosts (hint hint)

Prostitutes?  Politicians?  Can't we all just get along?

> We need your help. We need your suggestions and we could always use more
> investors!

As much as I would love to invest, all my money is sunk into
IndepenDance(tm), whichyou are throwing against.  IndepenDance(tm) is going
to take away all your attendance,
prostitutes included, as they bask in the sunny glow of Cleveland, OH (Brad
Nowell screams
in the back of my head: "Tuscaloosa Alabama")


> also be offering a family discount, a discount for the handicapped, and
> a discount for ravers over 30 of age.

So, does a family  of all over-30 handicapped people get in free?  Perhaps
theyget PAID to get in?
 We will be showcasing the finest

> elements of our subculture, tattooing, piercing, for example, plus fun
> events like a phat pants contest and a blowpop licking contest!

I do NOT need this much entertainment during my lunch break!

You know, when I think RAVE, I think body peircing and tattooes, and when my
crew and I are bored and looking for fun on a Friday night, there ain't
nuthin' finer than a phat pants and blow-pop licking contest.


> Check out our website!!!
> http://www.ecstaticdance.com

dj lo
--



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Ha ha!!  Fooled you!!

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MEOW MIX  is more likely than not gonna be in Rockford on March 7th
(this saturday) from 11PM- 6:30AM

lineup:
SKYLAB 2000
Q SYSTEM
BAD BOY BILL SLUGO
DJ TRACE
PAUL JOHNSON
MINDRIVE
STEVEN KAYE

info:
FUTURE FORCES
414.297.9667
312.409.7249
847.604.0579

I'm definitely gonna be there; I already got my presale for $16.
Hopefully I'll have my bag o' toys restocked too, so if you see me
you can help yourself to a cheap toy of your choice.
Russ

On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Samantha A Kohnen wrote:

> 
> will someone please send me the 411...on meow mix time date city! who's
> gonna be there!!!! please!
> 
> luv ya kiddes!
> sam
> 
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To the guy who was looking for Mar.20 Toronto gigs...Derrick Carter
continues his monthly residency @ Industry, Sat. Mar. 21. 19 to get in.
Probably $20 at the door, cheaper in advance at any of the decent record
stores. It will be slamming. That's all you need to know.

This past weekend David Morales made his Industry debut, playing from
2am-8am. He kicked everybody's ass all over. Best vibe I've seen at a
club/party since the hawtin/jaquaviva/jetstream parties back in the day.
And I don't say that lightly.

Mario J came on after 8am, played another couple of hours. Nobody seemed
to know what they wanted to hear after Morales, but Mario did and gave
it to them in a big way. Good good techno in a Red 1 stylee. Anybody who
hasn't seen Mario (don't know how much he's played in the midwest), make
every effort as he is the best house/techno DJ to come from around the
midwest/toronto since mr. hawtin. And I don't say that lightly either.
Mark my words!

Tried to trainspot mr. morales for one record he played. he said it was
called "house music". i axed him what label. "no label". i think he was
busy. Need help with this one. 2 vocal samples "jack your body" and
"house is a feeling" (both from fingers inc), sublime house track with a
'93 style piano line overtop. Most excellent, and I would appreciate
anybody's help with this one.


P.S. re:overground(sic)...are you fucking kidding? This is the bullshit
that stopped veteran ravers like myself and many others from partying
and djing at american events. Not to sound like Grandpa but anybody who
is on this list that goes to an event like this or some other huge thing
in Cincinnati (Which I know nothing about other than size, which is
enough to know ITS A BAD THING) is contributing nothing to the World of
House other than to put another nail in its coffin.

The answer: (provided you are 19 or older) get up to toronto, get into
industry on any given saturday night, and feel what it was like back in
the day. It is still there!

I love you all.

Jetstream (semi-retired).

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this weekend..anything going on besides meow mix..(im not in the mood for
a cchi. party)

anywhere in the midwest...i have the whole weekend off so....

-mikeyD


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> So email us, tell us your hopes and dreams for this party, as we plan on 
> seeing you ALL at OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!
> Check out our website!!!
> http://www.ecstaticdance.com


anyone remember RaveStock in lower iowa in summer of 94 or 95?   and the
whole fiasco surroudning it     

*snicker*   support those that support you....and i honestly think those
that support you do NOT have hotmail addresses and do NOT ask for
investors over the net AND do not say "we have contacted or WILL BE
CONTACTING" the following djs....   blah!   

just my pennies

-mikeyD



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> "\(chris ege\)" <crege@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >what family feeling?  more like an exclusive club feeling.  a membership
> >card.  the cyber-elite. what about people who don't have a computer?  are
> >they to be penalized for not being part of the "computer family?"  They pay
> >$3 more because they don't have the opportunity to put their address on
> >your mailing list?

That's the sort of attitude that makes it difficult to produce events of
this nature
for the people within our scene.
There are several ways to sign up for a PURE PLUS card. 
1) our website: www.purewpcm.com
2) leave your info. on our voicemail: 312.409.PURE (name, address, city,
state, zip)
3) we also pass out postcards at our parties. You can fill them out
there or mail them to us.
Lose the term "cyber-elite".  We are not elitists, only people who
believe strongly in everything 
that we do.  


> ~Koog~~Killer of Sheep...and Men~ wrote:
> It was my impression that the internet was only one way of signing up for
> the pure card, I don't know this, but I thought that pure was just giving
> us one way (probably the easiest way for people on a mailing list) to sign
> up, I suppose we're looking for some clarification?  Doesn't Plastik
> Productions have a similar type of thing?

Exactly.

Peace&Love
PURE/WPCM

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http://www.abcnews.com/onair/2020/html_files/transcripts/nmg0220b.html

When I read this (I never saw the show), I literally get a sick feeling
in my gut trying to stomach the patently negative and horribly
unbalanced attack on raves in America.


gregory / dj lo

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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, jacob feierbaum wrote:

> July 3-5, taking place on 100 acres of "virgin cornfield" in central 
> Illinois, ECSTATIC DANCE PRODUCTIONS is proud to annouce: OPERATION 
> ABOVE GROUND!!

Is this near IndependAnce? The thing coming to Cinncinnati? Still without
a website? 

> At this point we are not yet ready to reveal the fabulous acts we have 
> already confirmed, but rest assured, we shall have the BIGGEST names. We 
> have monitored your top ten list postings for DJs you would like to see 

I love being monitored. But wait! There's MORE!

> But this one will be different: we want families to come, new people, 
> people who have never raved before, people in their thirties, forties, 
> fifties and older, people who are, by day, seemingly "normal", 
> accountants, teachers, golfers (amateur AND pro!), truckers, cowboys, 
> politicians (?, *gasp* yes!), prostitutes, talk show hosts (hint hint) 
> and more! We must now be ambassadors of our rave nation, fostering 
> understanding among those who do not. For these are END TIMES, as 
> prophecied by Nostradamus. Perhaps what the world needs, to survive 
> these dark days ahead, are parties like OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!

The END TIMES??? I don't give a goddamn who you are, but anyone who uses
the phrase 'END TIMES as prophecied by Nostadamus' needs to work on their
marketing techniques and personal sanity before they attempt to throw a
party on virgin and probably non-existant land in the middle of nowhere. 

> We need your help. We need your suggestions and we could always use more 
> investors! We have gotten the ball rolling, this event WILL happen and 
> we hope to take it on the road if we at least break even on the 4th of 
> July weekend. Most of all, we want to make history and set an example. 

So, how much money have you managed to scam thus far? Are you the same
individual who was promoting IndepenDance a bit back? You use an
untraceable e-mail address, I've never heard of you, and I doubt it if
anyone else has either. If this weren't so goddamn serious of you, I'd
laugh my ass off. But instead, I'm sickened.

> We will be extending an invitation for a representative from the US 
> Government (if not the President himself!) to attend the party. We will 
> also be offering a family discount, a discount for the handicapped, and 
> a discount for ravers over 30 of age. We will be showcasing the finest 
> elements of our subculture, tattooing, piercing, for example, plus fun 
> events like a phat pants contest and a blowpop licking contest! We will 
> have a mass prayer/meditation session for the planet, too. And although 
> we do not condone the use of drugs at our party, we will be selling 
> ecstacy test kits (from the Netherlands) at the party in order to 
> promote responsible use at OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!

Jesus H. Christ. Blowpop licking contest? Phat pants contest? Thank you
very much, 30-something white male who's read enough to properly use
terminology in attempting to scam people into believing or 'investing' in
something that does not exist and will probably never happen. 

I can't wait to see the ridiculously priced ecstacy test kits you import
from the netherlands. I'm sure there are many people willing to shell out
oh, $150 a pop to test out their $25 pill. 

Try to be legitimate.

peace,
andrew


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You know....my first reaction when i read that stupid announcement was to
laff my ass off. But I was laffing even harder when each of you had to
reply to that stupid fucken message and keep saying same shit over and
over. I mean COME ON! If the guy is so stupid why wont u just laff it off
and won't go. But NOOOOOO you have to talk and talk about it. Basicalli
from wut i understand most people are negative towards the event, so just
fucken email the person and tell em "we are not interested." Why pollute
the mailin list with message of exact same content.

Besides...i would love to attent an outdoor event wit or without big
names, as long as its warm and the musik is good. That guy jes doesnt have
his shit together but you cant critisize someone for trying. Or mebbe he
was just joking and wanted to see you all go off :)

Me


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is anyone going to vision tonight in madison. i havent heard a whole lot
about it.



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>
>That's the sort of attitude that makes it difficult to produce events of
>this nature
>for the people within our scene.
>There are several ways to sign up for a PURE PLUS card.
>1) our website: www.purewpcm.com
>2) leave your info. on our voicemail: 312.409.PURE (name, address, city,
>state, zip)
>3) we also pass out postcards at our parties. You can fill them out
>there or mail them to us.
>Lose the term "cyber-elite".  We are not elitists, only people who
>believe strongly in everything
>that we do.
>
>
i just want to say that i really have LOTS of respect for PURE for all they
are doing to make the scene sta *alive* i don't know bout you Chris Ege,
but its not too often that a chicago promotor gives us an OPTION to get a
discount, so whatever ooportunities arise i say *step on* ..Mad props to
the PURE crew and all they do to keep us *groovin'* till the sun comes
up!!!!
peace,
marianne



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I don't understand why everyone is so negative about this party.  They'll
never accomplish all of their objectives, but I like the idea.

If it happens, I'll be there getting my 30+ and family discount.  We'll bring
our daughter, who turns 1 that weekend, if the space and weather are
suitable.

I don't live, eat, and breathe this scene like some people.  I've got a "real"
job and a "real" life with some "mainstream" friends that are into the ideas
of PLUR and enjoy the music, but feel intimidated by the young, "hipper
than thou" crowd that permeates the scene.  A party like this is a good
way to show them what the PLURy people want it to be all about.  

Why don't some of you out there with "cool" parents bring them along?  
Clearly, Bill has got other things to worry about and I doubt any
government officials will show - it's a promotional gimmick, so what?

There's always the thread about underground vs. mainstream, and the
conclusion always is that "there will always be an underground" even if
they start playing "electronica" on Top40 or seek to invite people who
don't "fit" the "raver stereotype" <gasp!> to a party.  So what's everyone
worried about?  I get sick of the negative and elitist crap on this list. 
When this scene emerged it was much more diverse (and you've heard
this a million times - better) than it is now.

Camping parties are the best!  And by virtue of their setting are more
about the vibe than a regular party (otherwise, why not just use a
warehouse?).  At camping parties, people do more than listen and dance.
A community emerges.  

I'd love to go to Family Affair, but Ohio is too far for this geriatric raver. 
I'm not crazy about the Crystal Method either, but it's not going to keep me
from going.  There's a lot of DJs or sub-genres that I don't particularly
care for, but I'm not staying home because a small percentage of the
event will be music I don't like.  Basically, all they had to say was
camping party and I'm there.

I feel sorry for anyone who can't bear the thought of going to party
because there might be some "above ground" people there just trying to
have a good time like everyone else. 

Tammy


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At 02:18 PM 3/2/98, MikeyD wrote:
>this weekend..anything going on besides meow mix..(im not in the mood for
>a cchi. party)
>
>anywhere in the midwest...i have the whole weekend off so....
>
>-mikeyD

here's one...not in chicago, Valparaiso Indiana, kinda close to chicago 
................................................................................

_symmetry productions presents..

                "groove"

_trackhead steve - relief records, chicago, il

_apoji - K7 records, chicago, il, jungle PA

_dj dopey - independant junglist, dyer, in

_the hill brothers - tag-team junglists, valparaiso, in

_mike paunnovich - symmetry productions, valparaiso, in

_dj daz jackson - symmetry productions, valparaiso, in

_johnny five - symmetry productions, valparaiso, in

these acts are confirmed.  other local talent t.b.a.

the event will happen in a three story warehouse in valparaiso, indiana.
friendly security will be provided for your safety, along with a secure
parking lot.  two full rooms, intelligent lighting, and sound done by 
symmetry and azrel.  the cost of the event is five dollars, or four with
an out of state id.  a smart bar will also be there compliments of stellar
drinks.

any guest list submissions should be requested to daz@219.com or a message
left on the infoline.

symmetry productions info - 219.662.9546

thanks,

symmetry


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In a message dated 98-03-02 10:29:32 EST, andy.yelland@mailexcite.com writes:

<< 
 Hi all
 
 I am doing research on the effects of prolonged ecstasy  (XTC) use.  As part
of this
 research I have designed a simple questionaire to guage various patterns of
use.
  
 
 Please could anyone who has:	
 	a) Used ecstasy for more than 12 months and 
 	b) Used ecstasy in the last 6 months
 please take 5 minutes, and fill in my multiple choice questionaire which can
be found
 at:
 
 	http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/andy_yelland
 
 Thank you for your time, and appologies being slightly off-topic, and for the
cross-post.
 
  >>

What kind of bullshit is this?  You don't have any business sending out this
kind of shit.  And on top of that, you had to include that (XTC) just in case
we didn't know what ecstasy is!  Goddammit, stop assuming that just because we
are on a rave list we do ecstasy!


Brett



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At 02:12 PM 3/2/98 -0600, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
>You know....my first reaction when i read that stupid announcement was to
>laff my ass off. But I was laffing even harder when each of you had to
>reply to that stupid fucken message and keep saying same shit over and
>over. I mean COME ON! If the guy is so stupid why wont u just laff it off
>and won't go. But NOOOOOO you have to talk and talk about it. Basicalli
>from wut i understand most people are negative towards the event, so just
>fucken email the person and tell em "we are not interested." Why pollute
>the mailin list with message of exact same content.
>
>Besides...i would love to attent an outdoor event wit or without big
>names, as long as its warm and the musik is good. That guy jes doesnt have
>his shit together but you cant critisize someone for trying. Or mebbe he
>was just joking and wanted to see you all go off :)
>
>Me
>
>
 
must you pollute the mailing list with your pleas for us to stop the
pollution?  Shut up.


.lotek
.phear------paradyme@lotek.org
+drone
|_______jeff.

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christ, mate...its more than likely a stupid, tasteless joke.
have we lost all common sense on this list?? inane threads 
have became such a staple of this list...
oh well, its entertaining to read the dumb flames.

john.dove
ps- anyone from mpls going to chicago/madison this weekend? :>
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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 paradyme@lotek.org wrote:

> At 02:12 PM 3/2/98 -0600, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> >You know....my first reaction when i read that stupid announcement was to
> >laff my ass off. But I was laffing even harder when each of you had to
> >reply to that stupid fucken message and keep saying same shit over and
> >over. I mean COME ON! If the guy is so stupid why wont u just laff it off
> >and won't go. But NOOOOOO you have to talk and talk about it. Basicalli
> >from wut i understand most people are negative towards the event, so just
> >fucken email the person and tell em "we are not interested." Why pollute
> >the mailin list with message of exact same content.
> >
> >Besides...i would love to attent an outdoor event wit or without big
> >names, as long as its warm and the musik is good. That guy jes doesnt have
> >his shit together but you cant critisize someone for trying. Or mebbe he
> >was just joking and wanted to see you all go off :)
> >
> >Me
> >
> >
>  
> must you pollute the mailing list with your pleas for us to stop the
> pollution?  Shut up.
> 
> 
> .lotek
> .phear------paradyme@lotek.org
> +drone
> |_______jeff.

PLEAS? hahahaha ok people um..next time i will be a stupid fuck and write
the same thing that everybody else writes.
Um and by the way....mr. jeff is not being too nice here. I mean tellin me
to shut up and everything? Come on..i know i am not as cool as you are but
nobody is perfect like you eh?

Shuttin up like i was told to
Me


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> ----------
> From: 	Steven J. White[SMTP:steve@barkingcat.org]
> Sent: 	 March 02, 1998 11:06AM
> To: 	raving lunatics
> Subject: 	Re: I'm Curious, Whats so bad about religion?
> 
> And as for South Park, how is that 'part of our culture?'
> 
PIE!!  It's all about pie!!  Also, it's about Polly Prissypants.

(I'm being totally weird, for those who care.)

More Pie To ya!
Angel O:)

__________________________________________
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-Cartman to his mom


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First of all, thanks to the many positive people who have offered 
support, your email has been encouraging.

However, let me address the naysayers, who seem bent on destroying our 
as yet unproven name before we even get a chance.

>>We need your help. We need your suggestions and we could always use 
more 
>>investors! We have gotten the ball rolling, this event WILL happen and 
>>we hope to take it on the road if we at least break even on the 4th of 
>>July weekend. Most of all, we want to make history and set an example. 
>>We will be extending an invitation for a representative from the US 
>>Government (if not the President himself!) to attend the party. We 
will 
>>also be offering a family discount, a discount for the handicapped, 
and 
>>a discount for ravers over 30 of age. We will be showcasing the finest 
>>elements of our subculture, tattooing, piercing, for example, plus fun 
>>events like a phat pants contest and a blowpop licking contest! We 
will 
>>have a mass prayer/meditation session for the planet, too. And 
although 
>>we do not condone the use of drugs at our party, we will be selling 
>>ecstacy test kits (from the Netherlands) at the party in order to 
>>promote responsible use at OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!
>
>This is a HORRIBLE idea.  Please go away.
>
>.lotek
>.phear------paradyme@lotek.org
>+drone
>|_______jeff

Jeff, WHY is this so horrible??! Just because you are too cool to go to 
a big party? What have you done to help the scene? I checked your web 
page and found a bunch of pretentious nonsense. Now how is what we are 
planning so wrong, if thousands of people have fun, and they WILL have 
fun?!! The fact is, I think you are elitist, and you don't even have a 
firm basis for that either.

And no, WE WILL NOT GO AWAY! WE ARE HERE TO STAY!!!!

However, you are invited to make CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions. Who knows 
Jeff, maybe if you had told us how we SHOULD be throwing our party you 
could have gotten us to throw the kind of event even you would stoop to 
attend.

As for Family Affair, which I have been to, I fail to see how that party 
is any less commercial. It all boils down to elitism here. P.L.U.R. to 
ALL! Jake
>


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You know, I was originally going to reply to Mikhail's post and
explain while (hopefully) very few of us on this mailing list would be
interested, there are still many more out there who just don't know.
They're new to what's going on, they don't have the context from
which to draw upon.  

Mikhail:

> You know....my first reaction when i read that supid announcement
> was to laff my ass off.

Well, I did and then I also knew there would be people, like this
Tamster person of whom I'll address later, who would think that this
would be a great time.  Or have their doubts but go anyway. Or
whatever.

> I mean COME ON! If the guy is so stupid why wont u just laff it off
> and won't go. (...) That guy jes doesnt have his shit together but
> you cant critisize someone for trying.

Umm... yes, I can.

Are we all supposed to either just participate willingly or shut up?
Go, and as I have been reading lately in many people's posts, "try
to have the best time possible no matter what the circumstances"?

How do things change?  How can problems be addressed unless and
until enough people even point out there _are_ problems?  Does this
"family" and "culture" concept have any meaning outside of some crap
you read on a flyer?

I'd want to look out for my family.  I'd want to protect my culture.
I care.  I'm concerned.  I have a forum for which to voice my
concerns, and I'm going to use it at every opportunity, else why
even have it at all.

I've been thinking about this ever since I went to "Fuel" in Chicago
two weeks ago.  My friend and I thought the thing was possibly one
of the worst parties we've ever been to.  Probably one of the worst
spaces anywhere, overlit, overpriced, with abyssmal heavily distorted 
sound, so-so music and a low-turnout of mostly cracked out high
school kids who seemed more interested in showing everyone how tough
they were or how big they could dance than pretty much anything else
(including dancing to the beat, but that's another topic).

But from reading the reviews here, that thing was the bomb.  Music
was so great, blah-blah.  Kids were so great, blah-blah.  Sound was
so good, blah-blah.

Were we at the same party?

Yes.. and here's the first part of my point.  Perspective.

To them, maybe it was great.  They did like the music.  The
production values (or lack thereof) didn't bother them.  They
thought the other people there were groovy.  I don't know.

In my opinion, they lack context.  Perspective.

Not to go off on some old-school rant, but they don't know any
better.  What do they have to compare it against?  A dozen other
half-assed overpriced midwest parties with shitty music, shitty
vibe, and shady promotion and production?

People wonder (sometimes loudly :) why a lot of us older people
bitch so much.  Well, we've seen and been to, and for some of us,
done better.  MUCH better.

And to us, Fuel sucked.  Royally.

So, IMO, will IndepenDance.  So will this thing in Illinois.  That
is, if either will ever get off the ground.

Tamster:

> I don't understand why everyone is so negative about this party.  They'll
> never accomplish all of their objectives, but I like the idea.

You like the idea of what, a camping party?  Support Furthur.  Go to
Family Affair.  Or if JJ gets his ducks in a row, IO4 (or whatever it's
going to be called).  

I like the "idea" of listening to techno.  I'm not going to a biker
bar to do it just in case one miraculously decides to advertise a
rave night.  No.  There are limits.  There is, like I said before, a
perspective that I and many others share about what constitutes a
good party atmosphere... or a good promoter that I'd care to
support.

Neither of these two conditions being met in Illinois on that
weekend.

> I don't live, eat, and breathe this scene like some people.  I've got a "real"
> job and a "real" life with some "mainstream" friends that are into the ideas
> of PLUR and enjoy the music, but feel intimidated by the young, "hipper
> than thou" crowd that permeates the scene.  A party like this is a good
> way to show them what the PLURy people want it to be all about.  

Hmm.

Okay I'll cast aside your thinly-veiled condescension and hypocricy
for now and focus instead on my second point.  Culture.  "A party
like this is a good _way to show them what the PLURy people want it
to be all about_." 

Indeed.

So even you agree that in any real "culture", if this is indeed a
culture of ours, that there is a need to educate.  Webster
sub-defines culture as "the act of developing the intellectual and
moral facultires especially by education."

Hey, that word again.  Education.  So if this is important to a
culture... if this is, as I believe, something that's critical for
any culture's continued health, why do we as ravers on a whole or
even mw-ravers as a select group choose to ignore it?  Even treat it
with animosity?

Seeing a relation to what I was saying before?  This old-school
"thing"?  There is a "culture" to this whole rave thing.  There's a
big turnover of people, too.  People come, stay, get burned out...
leave.  

Each "generation doesn't care what the people did before them,
doesn't want to listen to what anuone who's been around has to tell
them (or earnestly, try to teach them), and is perfecly content on
reinventing the wheel each time.  

Fucking up and making mistakes along the way.. naturally.

But the problem is, they don't operate in a vacuum.  They work
within this larger... context.  A larger scene.  And each time
they screw up a party, each time they piss off a space owner or a
country sheriff, each time they write on a public mailing list about
how good the E was at the last party they went to, each time they
raise the ante and make parties that much bigger, that much more
overhyped/underdeveloped/overpriced, they turn off that many more
people... both inside the scene and out.  Permanently.


	"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the
	society but the people themsleves; and if we think them not
	enlightened enough to exercise their control with a
	wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them
	but to inform their discretion."
					-- Thomas Jefferson

In this "society" of ours, we have the power.  To support those events,
organizations and artists that we feel properly represent our
perspective... and hopefully, continue to enrich and extend our
culture.  There are people out there who will try to take this from
us, repackage and resell it to not only us but the widest audience
possible.

Don't let them do it.  Stand up for what you believe in, how you
think things should be done... inform, educate... and yes, learn.



- Craig

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but with a name like Operation Above Ground can this be anything BUT a
joke???

Phat pants and blowpop licking contests????

ppl... it's a joke... i was laffing...now settle down...

-pm-

DJ .com


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I can personally say that I totally agree w/ each and every person who
wrote about the promotion of the parties and how overpriced...and to put
it as easy as i can...how bad they have sucked. The younger generation of
"ravers" have changed...there are new standards and many new ideas that
they are trying to come up w/ but are not fufilling those demands...i
think that there just needs to be some new promotores who really know
what they are doing...get some good dj's...not necissarily those who are
know around the scene...but those who actually spin for the love of it
and love of the music...and hell chicago needs a good party....lately all
of them have not been the greatest like....fuel, hugs-n-kisses.  I must
admit, thst "Live" was very well put...all because of the promoter...it
was at the same place as fuel...and it had such a great vibe and the
music was great...i don't know what we can really do to fix it..but the
mw is staring to need a little help

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    i was thinking about booking Jesus Christ for a live pa, and
have Jeff Mills on the tribal drums, along the sides would be Carl Cox
and Derrick May in dancing cages. Im gonna invite 20/20 to be the
and see what a REAL RAVE is all about. Im gonna hand out free
eye glitter and pretty sparkle stickers.......

its gonna fuckin rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!1




then again, maybe Ill just kick myself in the nutz instead.....

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>  Hi all
>  
>  I am doing research on the effects of prolonged ecstasy  (XTC) use.  As part
> of this
>  research I have designed a simple questionaire to guage various patterns of
> use.
>   
>  
>  Please could anyone who has:	
>  	a) Used ecstasy for more than 12 months and 
>  	b) Used ecstasy in the last 6 months
>  please take 5 minutes, and fill in my multiple choice questionaire which can
> be found
>  at:
>  
>  	http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/andy_yelland
>  
>  Thank you for your time, and appologies being slightly off-topic, and for the
> cross-post.
>  
>   >>
> 
> What kind of bullshit is this?  You don't have any business sending out this
> kind of shit.  And on top of that, you had to include that (XTC) just in case
> we didn't know what ecstasy is!  Goddammit, stop assuming that just because we
> are on a rave list we do ecstasy!
> 
> 
> Brett
> 
> 

God don't get so pissy!
The guy wasn't accusing you of being a drug addict nor was he saying
everyone on this list did ecstasy
he was just asking for help with his research

i for one would like there to be more research done on this subject as
would many people i'm sure.

hrmPh!

Jisa / morgan



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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Bro Keeps wrote:

> What kind of bullshit is this?  You don't have any business sending out this
> kind of shit.  And on top of that, you had to include that (XTC) just in case
> we didn't know what ecstasy is!  Goddammit, stop assuming that just because we
> are on a rave list we do ecstasy!
> Brett

Christ. 

No one accused YOU of anything. 

He is a student doing a research project. In an area, I might add, that
desperately needs more study. There is as yet no conclusive evidence on
the potential neurotoxicity of MDMA or its long-term effects, and anything
related to or directed towards those legitimate aims is worthy of at least
due consideration. 

Don't knee-jerk. It's the first sign of conservatism.

peace,
andrew


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how do i get off this list?

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>From mw-raves-owner-junglist79=hotmail.com@hyperreal.org Sun Mar  1 
22:31:38 1998
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>P.L.U.R. to ALL! Jake

---JAKE IS THE FARTHEST THING FROM PLUR!
>
 WARNING! ! ! ! Don't trust This Promoter!!!
i went to a party he threw out east in '94  called Eternal Bliss. It was 
BULLSHIT.  He sold 2,000 pre-sale tix for it.  When I got to the party, 
they weren't lettin people in who had pre-sale tix!  They only let in 
people who hadnt bought pre-sale yet, until they reached capactiy!  Then 
there were 2,000 people with presale tix waiting outside in the cold!  
There was a riot and everyone outside bum-rushed the door.  I got 
slammed up against the walls and ruffed around by the cops...total 
bullshit. No one got their money back. A few chicks got in cause they 
flashed him at teh door.
    Jake is ONLY out to make a profit. He should NOT be trusted.  He 
shouldnt be on mw-raves; he should be on an episode of Jerry Springer.  
Show title, "Corruption in the Rave Scene"

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Ok, people, I'm feeling a lot of IGNORANCE and EGOTISM here, it's really 
PISSING ME OFF!!!!!! I can't reply to all this bullshit, so lemme reply 
to a bit of the misplaced criticism.

Craig wrote:
>I've been thinking about this ever since I went to "Fuel" in Chicago
>two weeks ago.  My friend and I thought the thing was possibly one
>of the worst parties we've ever been to.  Probably one of the worst
>spaces anywhere, overlit, overpriced, with abyssmal heavily distorted 
>sound, so-so music and a low-turnout of mostly cracked out high
>school kids who seemed more interested in showing everyone how tough
>they were or how big they could dance than pretty much anything else
>(including dancing to the beat, but that's another topic).

>In my opinion, they lack context.  Perspective.

So WHY DID YOU GO TO THE PARTY THEN? If you are so old skool and 
in-the-know? Obviously you are no better at recommending parties than 
anyone else!
>
>Not to go off on some old-school rant, but they don't know any
>better.  What do they have to compare it against?  A dozen other
>half-assed overpriced midwest parties with shitty music, shitty
>vibe, and shady promotion and production?
>
>People wonder (sometimes loudly :) why a lot of us older people
>bitch so much.  Well, we've seen and been to, and for some of us,
>done better.  MUCH better.
>
>And to us, Fuel sucked.  Royally.
>
>So, IMO, will IndepenDance.  So will this thing in Illinois.  That
>is, if either will ever get off the ground.

WHY?? You have not explained yourself AT ALL. Nor have you tried to make 
any positive recommendations.
>
>You like the idea of what, a camping party?  Support Furthur.  Go to
>Family Affair.  Or if JJ gets his ducks in a row, IO4 (or whatever it's
>going to be called). 

WHY NOT SUPORT THEM ALL??? Basically, you are saying no new promoters 
can throw a party that is worth checking out, support only the old 
established promoters, blah-blah-blah. Yes, you come off sounding like a 
bitter old skool raver who is prejudiced against new ideas and new 
promoters. 
>
>I like the "idea" of listening to techno.  I'm not going to a biker
>bar to do it just in case one miraculously decides to advertise a
>rave night.  No.  There are limits.  There is, like I said before, a
>perspective that I and many others share about what constitutes a
>good party atmosphere... or a good promoter that I'd care to
>support.
>
>Neither of these two conditions being met in Illinois on that
>weekend.

Which you have again failed to explain.

>> of PLUR and enjoy the music, but feel intimidated by the young, 
"hipper
>> than thou" crowd that permeates the scene.

How about the "older than thou, we invented rave and we own the scene" 
attitude craig seems to hold?

>Okay I'll cast aside your thinly-veiled condescension and hypocricy
>for now and focus instead on my second point.  Culture.  "A party
>like this is a good _way to show them what the PLURy people want it
>to be all about_." 
>
>Indeed.
>
>So even you agree that in any real "culture", if this is indeed a
>culture of ours, that there is a need to educate.  Webster
>sub-defines culture as "the act of developing the intellectual and
>moral facultires especially by education."

That is exactly what OPERATION ABOVE GROUND IS ABOUT!!!! SO SUPPORT 
US!!! RAVERS OF THE WORLD, ALL YOU HAVE TO LOSE IS YOUR IGNORANCE AND 
EGOTISM!!!

Just because you don't know me personally, you are going to flame me and 
my friends' efforts?? How do you know OPERATION ABOVE GROUND won't be as 
good as a Furthur party? You don't.

>culture.  There are people out there who will try to take this from
>us, repackage and resell it to not only us but the widest audience
>possible.

WHAT"S WRONG WITH THIS???!! EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY THIS!
>
>Don't let them do it.  Stand up for what you believe in, how you
>think things should be done... inform, educate... and yes, learn.
>- Craig

Craig, you have failed to educate us on anything in this communique, 
please go back and do better, I know you can do it BUDDY!!!

But PLEASE, lose the elitism and egotism. You didn't invent "rave", and 
you were a newbie once yourself, so deal with it.

As bad as the flames get, I think most of you will come around and 
support us. Please try to keep an open mind, your friend, Jake

P.L.U.R. to ALL!



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In a message dated 98-03-02 01:47:17 EST, you write:

> its all business to him. he honestly doesn't give a fuck about the 'scene'
> or make any attempt to further it in any way. all he does is go to parties
> to pawn off his $10 mixtapes and mix-cds and to flyer for "Get
> Ripped-Off" or whatever the next "C.O.K. Midwest" extravaganza is
> entitled. the amount of money he makes off of his parties is disgusting;
> which is hard for me to understand since it seems he randomly picks a
> handful of djs from a pool of about 30, most of them 'big-names' but all
> totally played out in the midwest.


What in the world are you talking about? Wilhelm is one of the few people on
that end of the scene that actually cares.  He really doesn't make all that
much money off of the scene as you people seem to be implying, most of the
profits he makes go toward the next party. Since I'm one of the few people
that seem to like Wil(which I guess makes me one of the few people that knows
him personally) I'll keep my post to a minimum because I don't need all the
hate mail, but I just wanted to throw in my two cents. Wil spins good house,
(you really can't get the feel of his music through his cassette, you really
have to see him in person) he throws some of the better parties in
Indianapolis, and he is generally and all around nice guy.  I don't think any
of this will change your minds about Wil, but I guess that just shows who's
mind is open and who's isn't(bring on the flame mail, I still love you all!)
**PLUR** <BHUGs>
DL

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:18:04 -0500 (EST) MikeyD <mikeyd@pubnix.org>
writes:
>this weekend..anything going on besides meow mix?
>anywhere in the midwest...i have the whole weekend off so....

why, yes, mikey d, there is...

march 17, 1998
BOUNCE THEORY & DAMAGE PRODUCTIONS 
brings you...

MC2

FEATURING
dj swamp                mike donivan
perry ellis              cadenz
doughboy                divine
melloman                 kory coley
kimyon                   jedeye & repka
trepp                     quantium
guru                      heccubis

admission is $13...$10 w/ canned good donation to the FISH FOUNDATION
info: call day of 937.228.3957
                     513.282.4194

	XOXO,
	  PRUGH
p.s. this party will be in DAYTON OHIO or very near to it!!!!!!

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Joel Reinhart wrote:

> >From: "jacob feierbaum" <ecstaticdance@hotmail.com>

don't you see that his name is 'fire bomb'? like flame?

i bet it's stevie t


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At 12:49 PM 3/2/98 -0600, Russell E Schneider wrote:

>
>I'm definitely gonna be there; I already got my presale for $16.
>Hopefully I'll have my bag o' toys restocked too, so if you see me
>you can help yourself to a cheap toy of your choice.
>Russ
>
I'll most likely be there vending, so come up and say hi:)

=exit=
-adam-

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>Tried to trainspot mr. morales for one record he played. he said it was
>called "house music". i axed him what label. "no label". i think he was
>busy. Need help with this one. 2 vocal samples "jack your body" and
>"house is a feeling" (both from fingers inc), sublime house track with a
>'93 style piano line overtop. Most excellent, and I would appreciate
>anybody's help with this one.
>
I have this track on (i think) "Fever Time 2 Get Ill Vol. 5" ('95) on the
henry side(i think)

if that helps.

=exit=
-adam-

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>In a message dated 98-03-02 10:29:32 EST, andy.yelland@mailexcite.com writes:
>
><<
> Hi all
>
> I am doing research on the effects of prolonged ecstasy  (XTC) use.  As part
>of this
> research I have designed a simple questionaire to guage various patterns of
>use.
>
>
> Please could anyone who has:
> 	a) Used ecstasy for more than 12 months and
> 	b) Used ecstasy in the last 6 months
> please take 5 minutes, and fill in my multiple choice questionaire which can
>be found
> at:
>
> 	http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/andy_yelland
>
> Thank you for your time, and appologies being slightly off-topic, and for the
>cross-post.

Apologies for what?  WOULD YOU PEOPLE PLEASE STOP STICKING YOUR FINGERS
INTO WHAT'S NOT YOURS for your own self-driven reasons?  If anyone out
there ever REALLY wanted to know anything about this scene and what it's
REALLY all about, you would find a million receptive, creative, driven,
motivated and opinionated young people ready to pound you with answers to
your questions, feedback on your discussions and love and direction toward
what it feels like to be free for at least 8 hours.  WE'VE HAD ENOUGH
NEGATIVE PRESSURE FROM THE MEDIA and people like you.  Get your information
elsewhere!

I HOPE THAT NO ONE HELPS FURTHER DESTROY WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON!   Do not
feedback to this post.  None of them are out there helping our scene grow
and function.  Why the hell do they always need to write some b.s. paper of
conduct some meaningless survey on RAVERS and DRUGS.

Go look behind the elementary school in your neighborhood.  YOU'LL FIND ALL
THE ANSWERS YOU NEED ON DRUG USE?


PEACE YOU FOOL!






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Wow, sorry folks for getting so upset over the ecstacy post.  It really
pisses me off though.  It's tough enough to throw a good gig without the
added labeling and etc. etc.

I've seen a few other threads going on about new school and old school
promoters.  It's a tough one.  Either way, my personal (I stress personal)
opinion is that, it's tough for people to get a good party out of a new
promoter because you have to learn the ins and outs of party throwing
before you try and throw a huge ass party that costs $20 bucks.  But new
promoters don't begin this way anymore.  Drop Bass started that way.  Core,
ATP, and most promoters started off throwing smaller gigs first.  The scene
progressed into a larger scale.  Nowadays, kids start right off trying to
throw the big shindig on their first go round.  There are so many things
that take place while producing an event of that size that you don't see
from the outside.  We try and throw a small amount of big parties to allow
room for the other promoters to groove, to allow for enought time to
effectively coordinate something worth the money and not to over run the
scene with one promoters name, style of event and effect on the scene.
It's tough to make the right choice, but overall, what we get at a rave is
far, far more than folks get when they shell out $30 bucks for a concert
ticket.  It's just a whole-nother experience, all together.  We're doing
the best we can and always will.  It's tough for promoters to stay in this
scene for more than a year because it rolls over so fast.  I have mad
respect for promoters who stick around and ravers too.  Because they're the
ones that can show the new-comers to the scene what they've learned.
Coupled with the new ideas from the new-comers, we "theoretically" should
grow and get better and better (with a few mishaps along the way).  Still
loving the parties and still throwing 'em-and looking forward to the
opportunity to give you our version on the fourteenth.

pure/wpcm



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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:41:38 -0500 (EST) randy <johnsonl@marietta.edu>
writes:

>its all business to him. he honestly doesn't give a fuck about the 
>'scene'
>or make any attempt to further it in any way. all he does is go to 
>parties
>to pawn off his $10 mixtapes and mix-cds and to flyer for "Get
>Ripped-Off" or whatever the next "C.O.K. Midwest" extravaganza is
>entitled. the amount of money he makes off of his parties is 
>disgusting;

>     randy / pr0zac

i can very strongly agree with you here, my friend.  wilhelm is known to
MANY of us as what i would like to call a fatty ha-ha, schiesty, selfish,
loud mouth, pig face, percolator spinnin', shit talkin', bad vibe
throwin', no talent dj/promoter.  i'm sure that there are many other
adjectives that i could use to describe the pathetic waste of flesh that
wilhelm is, but i simply don't have the time.  

	XOXO, 
	  PRUGH ;)

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some guy gave me a little black card that said "fuck the whole potato" 
on it.  then it said april 11th.  is this a party?  Can someone give me 
some info on this, please
thanks, peace
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 03 01:38:34 1998
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ok i think i've had it.  fuck raves, fuck ravers, fuck everything i
thought i got into.  if i wanted negativity, if i wanted people to yell
at each other because they can hide behind an email address instead of
talk to someone personally, if i wanted to go to a party that was all
about getting people to give money to a bunch of punkass biatches, i
would go a rave party in the midwest.  the reason i don't go out of town
to party anymore is because there is nothing but shit everywhere.  "lets
keep it underground, lets tell all non-partying people to fuck off
because they don't get it"  what shit!  i wanted every one of my
non-raver friends to come to a party because i thought they would love
it.  i guess that's not acceptable.  i wanted everyone to know the kind
of feeling i had rolling with 500 of my closest friends.  i guess that's
bad, too.  i wanted to be with people who loved me for who i am, not
what social cluster i was in or what i could do for them.

for the record, i wrote back to the guy who was taking a survey of MDMA
usage.  what negative pressure is going to be put on the rave scene?
are we fooling ourselves, or just turning to the dark side when we feel
the need to cover something up that may be of some importance?  RAVERS
TAKE E.  E IS BAD FOR YOU.  you can't say otherwise.  how many times
have you come down off a pill and felt like shit because you were just
up all night burning away all the muscle in your body because you
haven't eaten any carbohydrates?  or just felt crazy bacausy you didn't
take MDMA, but took some other concoction?  lots of other people take
MDMA, too.

if everyone wants this thing to grow, you have to understand that it
won't be underground for long.  and throwing so much negativity into the
fray is only going to put a bad rap on raving when it does go
aboveground somehow.

but why am i saying this?  i dunno.  it's just more negativity.  bad
vibe feeds bad vibe.

fuck it.  i quit.  i hope everyone is happy with themselves, because i
am on the verge of vomiting.  the people i once thought were the most
beautiful in the world are showing their underlying grotesque visage.

all i want is for everyone to have fun.  but there are forces of evil
moving against that.

i am so angry at myself for being pushed to the feelings i am harboring
right now.


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Misc (does that even qualify as a nickname??!) wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Joel Reinhart wrote:
>
>> >From: "jacob feierbaum" <ecstaticdance@hotmail.com>
>
>don't you see that his name is 'fire bomb'? like flame?
>
>i bet it's stevie t

This is getting absolutely fucking ridiculous!!! I am not Stevie T, I 
have never thrown a party out east (sorry Joel), just small house 
parties in Chicago. Please, if you have any doubts about my character or 
my authenticity, PLEASE CALL ME BEFORE YOU SERIOUSLY LIBEL ME ANY 
FURTHER!!! Let me say, I have taken all the criticism in stride so far, 
but please don't cross the line into defamity. We do have a lawyer 
(Attny.-At-Law J. Sheindlin), but hope cooler heads will prevail.

So call me. Trust me, I am a lot nicer on the fone. P.L.U.R. to ALL! 
Jake 
773-878-4041- HOME NOW!!



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In a message dated 98-03-02 20:33:21 EST, you write:

<< i can very strongly agree with you here, my friend.  wilhelm is known to
 MANY of us as what i would like to call a fatty ha-ha, schiesty, selfish,
 loud mouth, pig face, percolator spinnin', shit talkin', bad vibe
 throwin', no talent dj/promoter.  i'm sure that there are many other
 adjectives that i could use to describe the pathetic waste of flesh that
 wilhelm is, but i simply don't have the time.  
 
 	XOXO, 
 	  PRUGH ;) >>


Well at least you're not enough of a hypocrite to put *PLUR* anywhere in your
letter, I think it's people like this who are destroying the scene certainly
not people like Wilhelm, why are people always so interested in the bad in
people that they forget to look for the good?
**PLUR**
DL

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When attempting to talk about this rave with people I was there with
yesterday afternoon, I found I really couldn't.  All I could do was smile,
hug them, and thank them for being there with me.

This was one of the best productions I've ever seen.  Everything went off
perfectly.  I went to buy presales in the evening.  My friend and I were
standing in the map point talking to the guys there.  I turn around and
who's right in front of my face?  Doris, who happened to be in Chicago
without anywhere to go.  

So we hung out at Wyllys' for a while and all went to the venue
together. There was a line and it was a little chilly, but they kept it
moving at a fairly steady pace and were able to accomodate everyone.

As soon as we walk in the door DJ Funk goes on.  It was all over after
that.  Except for a few minutes of mingling, I stayed in the main room
until the end of the night.  Why would I have left?  After Funk's set,
Acid Scout went on.  Awesome live PA.  Many kids left the floor to go to
the second room, so I had plenty of room to dance after all the booty
shakin' mayhem.

After Acid Scout, Atomic Babies went on.  Once again, a tight set.  I
truly love techno and acid and to be able to hear these two acts in a row
was better than many things that are very good.  And as if that wasn't
enough, after AB, Nigel Richards jumps on the tables.  An astounding set!
After hearing 3 sets of his on NYE, I was ready.  Nigel kept the party
moving, and I mean moving, until 5.  I hope more promoters are able to
bring him out here, because this man's talent needs to be showcased more.
After Nigel's set, I wandered around the venue chatting, because it just
couldn't get any better

The vibe was very, very tight at this party.  It wasn't necessarily
present at the beginning of the party, but it very rarely is.  I didn't
see too much attitude at all.  Everybody was smiling and super-friendly.
There was security at the door, but I didn't see them running around
bugging people.  I also didn't see anything going on that would warrant
them running around and bugging people.  In some people's minds, this
venue may be played out.  But, it was suited perfectly to type of party
that was being thrown.  There was just enough room, nice bathrooms, and
good sound and lights.  As I've said before, I am happy when a one-off 
goes well.  There is no new, no old, only this party.  And this party went
off well.

I would like to give MAJOR, MAJOR props out to Boogie Tribe for this
production.  I wasn't paying too close attention, but I am fairly sure all
the acts showed up, at least all of the out of town talent did.  The party
did not get busted and went until the morning.  An MC announced who was
about to go on and shouted out to the crowd to keep the vibe goin' and the
floor shaking only when necessary.  The party was still packed and
everybody was still dancing when it ended.

I had a great time at this party.  I got to hang with my KC/Omaha B-Girls,
Indy kids, Doris, Wyllys, and almost all my +kiddies.  The music was
spectacular ALL night long and the kids were happy.  I will definitely go
to Boogie Tribe's next event and be happy to support them in any way I
can. I wish some of you had been there, so you could have something
positive to talk about and maybe be as happy as I am right now.

	L+R -> P+U

		toastman


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   That'd be spelled Menomonie... As in Men-o-money.

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>wilhelm is fat. KFC had better watch out.  

i hear he used that car wash in menominee... uhh...

nevermind.

jon/dica

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jacob feierbaum wrote:

> Misc (does that even qualify as a nickname??!) wrote:
> >On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Joel Reinhart wrote:
> >
> >> >From: "jacob feierbaum" <ecstaticdance@hotmail.com>
> >
> >don't you see that his name is 'fire bomb'? like flame?

um, no...  if this is German, as most likely sounds to be the case,
"feier" means festival or celebration, and "baum" means tree.

CelebrationTree.  Could even mean Christmas tree depending on
context...sounds a lot less destructive, huh?  Let's not turn this into
a language barrier issue too.

--dannyQ








(don't be a grinch ;)  )


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You know....i rilli dont care about all the bullshit that goes on in the
scene among all the new skool and the old skool people. As a matter of
fact its all bs politics that I stay out of. When i go to a party I know I
will have fun, cuz thats why its called a PARTY! I dont know to parties
just cuz its such a part of my life and i have to do it every weekend or
whatever.
Yes i would like the idea of having a camping party...where people of
different age groups and different interests would come together not just
for the musik but to chill for a weekend and have fun with their families
or what not. I think its a lot better than when parents sit at home
bitching about how bad raves are based on stupid shows like 20/20 and kids
do fuckload of drugs ..sit on the floor of some nasty party and stare
somewhere for 10 hrs. 
I dont understand why I should support Even Furthr or whatever over
anything else. Just cuz its their 3,4,5,6,7 attempt to do it? Whereas
these people are doing it for the first time? Yes maybe their message
sucked and it was kinda dumb, but the idea is great and if they put their
shit together a lot of things can be accomplished. I am not willing to
travel for 12  hrs for an outdoor party, simply cuz i am not that way. But
if it were somewhere in IL and it was worth it i would go. 
And no...nobody can critisize anybody unless they can do a better job at
whatever they are critisizing. Its stupid to say "this shit will suck ass
just cuz the approach is bad." You dont know anything yet...you dont know
wut the turnout will be like.
So give it time and see wut happens

Ciao
Me


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whats up midwest ravers?  symmetry cordially invites you all to "groove" on
march 6th, 1998.  thats this friday, folks.  the cost of the event is six
dollars, but if you bring a non-perishable canned item as a donation to the
valparaiso, indiana food bank, the cost will be five dollars.  there will be
two rooms, plenty of EV-MT series sub blocks, and some intelligent lighting
and projections for your visual stimulation.  this is a virgin venue, with
extra-friendly security, and enough parking for everybody.  the event will
be happening in valparaiso, indiana, about 45 minutes to an hour west by
southwest of chicago.

/-four.four room:

_trackhead steve _ 2 hour house & old school dj set _ relief records,
chicago, il
_johnny 5 _ live acidhouse PA _ valparaiso, in
_poly 800 _ live techno PA _ valparaiso, in
_chris doria _ disco house dj set _ valparaiso, in
_dj daz jackson _ extended techno dj set _ crown point, in
_mike paunovich _ deep house dj set _ valparaiso, in

/-break.beat room:

_apoji _ intelligent/jump up jungle live PA _ K7 records, chicago, il
_MC AD _ phat freestyle vocals also throwin down some hip hop _ chicago, il
_wiseguy _ dark step junglist _ valparaiso, in
_gun slinga _ jump up junglist _ portage, in
_dj dopey _ dark/intelligent jungle _ dyer, in
_paulie _ suprise suprise _ portage, in


there will be a smart bar compliments of mr. johns, free mixtape, CD and
record giveaways, and other assorted goodies sure to make you smile.  so 
please bring nothing but your most positive spirit, because thats what it's
all about!

_symmetry infoline: 219.662.9546

peace,

symmetry productions


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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Chris Jensen wrote:

> ok i think i've had it.  fuck raves, fuck ravers, fuck everything i
> thought i got into.  if i wanted negativity, if i wanted people to yell
> at each other because they can hide behind an email address instead of
> talk to someone personally, if i wanted to go to a party that was all
> about getting people to give money to a bunch of punkass biatches, i
> would go a rave party in the midwest.  the reason i don't go out of town
> to party anymore is because there is nothing but shit everywhere.  "lets
> keep it underground, lets tell all non-partying people to fuck off
> because they don't get it"  what shit!  i wanted every one of my
> non-raver friends to come to a party because i thought they would love
> it.  i guess that's not acceptable.  i wanted everyone to know the kind
> of feeling i had rolling with 500 of my closest friends.  i guess that's
> bad, too.  i wanted to be with people who loved me for who i am, not
> what social cluster i was in or what i could do for them.
> 

When all the flaming bullshit starts on this list, I usually just skim
through it without participating, but I totally agree with you right now.
I always knew that the scene had plenty of problems, but it wasn't until
I joined this list that I realized how bad it is.  Something about the
posts I read today made me feel nauseous, especially from Craig (?).
I can't believe half the shit I read on here.  As far as the concept of
PLUR is concerned, this list is about as far from it as you can get.
How fucking egotistical can people be?  Instead of respecting each other's
ideas, any opinion voiced contrary to your own is immediately torn down
by a tedious thread of pretentious bullshit.  For every promoter,
musician, or party out there, there will be those who agree with it and
those who don't.  
  
I thought Fuel was a well-thrown party, and I've been going to parties
for over three years.  Whether or not you think that Fuel was a good party
is beside the point, the point is that  your opinion on anything is no
more or less valid than anyone else's.
  
Chris is right; this list is a veritable cesspool of negativity.  Raves
used to be somewhere I could go to escape all the negative bullshit of
daily life, but that's no longer the case.  Parties used to be places
where people could just have fun and be cool to each other, but apparently
that's not good enough anymore.  Someone put a post up a little while ago 
about how parties used to be for the freaks, aka those of us who are sick
of the popularity contests, pressure to conform, etc. that mainstream
America shoves in our faces everyday. Now for every kid out there trying 
to do his own thing and have a good time, there is some elitist shithead
passing judgement. This list is living testament to all the bitter,
insecure assholes who feel the need to put others down in order to feel
good about themselves & who now comprise a large percentage of our
"scene".  

I personally have given up on this scene as a whole.  I now go to parties
for the music, bottomline.  Unity will never be achieved as long as you
remain intent on proving yourself superior to someone else.  For everyone
out there who wants to flame me, lemme just say "kiss my ass" in advance.      
To all the cool kids I've met over the years through this scene I send my
love & respect, & to all the self-righteous pricks I say fuck you and your
mother.

fuck you all
love, 
Russ


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uhhh..all this is gettin to be too much.  too many good parties comin up.
i can't wait to party with Bill Clinton and bring my mommy and daddy.  

	k, my disk got all fucked up again.  wonderin if i missed anything
important? say....somethin REALLY happening.  and starting March 14-22
(SPRING BREAK!) 

PS-  dErEk, u know what day it is, don't you?  just incase u forgot, it's
monday night.  not friday--VISION was last friday;)

--ann marie  
     


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   If people educated thier children about drugs and responsibility, we
would have less Sandy's in this world.

   Thank you greg for the transcript.

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http://www.abcnews.com/onair/2020/html_files/transcripts/nmg0220b.html

When I read this (I never saw the show), I literally get a sick feeling
in my gut trying to stomach the patently negative and horribly
unbalanced attack on raves in America.


gregory / dj lo

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I've never felt PLUR, never believed in it, never cared.  Can't we just go
to a party to go to a party?  Like you russ, the music is the thing that
keeps me coming back, has since i laid off the hallucinogenics 2 years ago.
 I appreciate the promoters who bring in good, NEW talent to the mw(props
to charles and mike), and support the ones that do with consistency.  As
far as the attitudes and negativity prevailing at raves and on this list,
fuck it.  Enjoy yourselves anyway or don't attend.
 
You're dropping to their levels by posting this to the list.  

=exit=
-adam-

np. Residents: Third Reich & Roll

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dust traxx presents:
                          <> <> W I L D L I F E <> <>

                      Friday        Chicago       3.13.98

                                     :DJ'S:

                                --->DJ SWAMP<---
                                  45 minute set
        
                              --->PAUL JOHNSON<---
                                   2 hour set

                                 --->DJ FUNK<---
                                   2 hour set

                                 --->DJ TRAXX<---
                                    2 hour set

                                 --->DJ SEVEN<---
                                    1 hour set

                            $12 w/ canned food donation
                                   773.509.2977
                                   312.409.0618

note: we are trying very hard to bring you consistently high quality events
at a cost well below the norm.  please show your full support if you want
these to continue.



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vibeonauts present:

          ooooooooooooooooooo B O U N C E oooooooooooooooooo

                                Friday. 
                                3.20.98
                                Chicago

                                 with:
                        FEELGOOD--------BALTIMORE
                        ONIONZ----------NEW YORK
                        JEVON JACKSON---CHICAGO
                        JOHN BID--------CHICAGO

$12 w/ canned food donation                      773.604.1644



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Calm down bro...fact of the matter is a lot of ravers DO use ecstacy. If
you are doing research you go to where the sample population is. Did he
say it was a negative study?? Don't jump to conclusions....

PeaceLovePowerMagick
Eric

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Bro Keeps wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-02 10:29:32 EST, andy.yelland@mailexcite.com writes:
> 
> << 
>  Hi all
>  
>  I am doing research on the effects of prolonged ecstasy  (XTC) use.  As part
> of this
>  research I have designed a simple questionaire to guage various patterns of
> use.
>   
>  
>  Please could anyone who has:	
>  	a) Used ecstasy for more than 12 months and 
>  	b) Used ecstasy in the last 6 months
>  please take 5 minutes, and fill in my multiple choice questionaire which can
> be found
>  at:
>  
>  	http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/andy_yelland
>  
>  Thank you for your time, and appologies being slightly off-topic, and for the
> cross-post.
>  
>   >>
> 
> What kind of bullshit is this?  You don't have any business sending out this
> kind of shit.  And on top of that, you had to include that (XTC) just in case
> we didn't know what ecstasy is!  Goddammit, stop assuming that just because we
> are on a rave list we do ecstasy!
> 
> 
> Brett
> 
> 
> 


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i totally agree.GO TO FAMILY AFFAIR!!...i can not express
how amazing family affair is. go! yo! little raver people unite!

:)
animal


paradyme@lotek.org wrote:
> 
> oh yeah...if you all wanna attend a f'real party...well, at least more
> so...go to Family Affair.
> the last couple years, it's been that same weekend. These corporate
> rave-a-poloozas outta be #1 on Saddam's bombing list, but hey, everyone's
> 'bout it 'bout it with the dolla dollah billz ya'll. blah.
> 
> peace.
> 
> .lotek
> .phear------paradyme@lotek.org
> +drone
> |_______jeff.

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Russ, Chris, and silent others, I agree with you. 
This list really does put an (over)emphasis on the negative most of the
time.  I never realized how bad certain aspects of the scene were until
they were pointed out by individuals on this list... now maybe that isn't
such a bad thing... but when over 95% of the posts become complaints and
negativity, then I begin to lose faith.  

I think that it is important to remember that this list is not always 
the best representation of the overall scene.  I like to think that the
massive gathering of self-righteousness is unique to this list and the
probability that such large numbers of opinionated people will be
present at a party is low.  It is also a lot easier to rant about the
negative issues than try to support a postive opinion.  It is really easy
to say that something "sucks" and not back that statement up with reasons
why. I think that too many people use this list as a way of venting their
frustrations with life.  So yeah... it's not always a fun place around
here and i've considered unsubbing more times than I can even count, but
then I remember the other 5% of the posts, the really helpful or
encouraging ones, and I remember that eventually it will all die down
again and all will be well (or at least more than 5% of it will be.)

-Peggy

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In a message dated 98-03-02 17:45:31 EST, chris@grcmc.org writes:

<< before you go and lambast someone for assuming that ravers do ecstasy,
think about
 it:  RAVERS DO ECSTASY.  in fact, ravers are the overwhelming leader in
ecstasy
 use.  this is a very hot topic in the medical science field.  i know of at
least 3
 highly renouned schools that are currently undergoing projects regarding the
 effects of MDMA.  i couldn't get through to his homepage, but my guess is
that he
 ISN'T a raver, and doesn't know any better.  everyone uses stereotypes
sometime,
 it's human nature.
 
 besides, your letter is probably just more data regarding the effects of MDMA
on
 serotonin factories in your brain, and how the lack of serotonin encourages
wild
 moodswings.  you do sound pretty upset. >>


You make a valid point, but I really don't being considered a source of
information about drugs just because I subscribe to this list and may or may
not listen to "rave" music.  Excusing the use of stereotypes isn't the answer.
I don't know how you could consider it "human nature" either.

Master Brett

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after reading all of these post one phrase kept on comming into my mind.

"rave will eat itself"

think about it.



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At 07:43 PM 3/2/98 EST, ShroomyGuy wrote:
>In a message dated 98-03-02 01:47:17 EST, you write:
>
>> its all business to him. he honestly doesn't give a fuck about the 'scene'
>> or make any attempt to further it in any way. all he does is go to parties
>> to pawn off his $10 mixtapes and mix-cds and to flyer for "Get
>> Ripped-Off" or whatever the next "C.O.K. Midwest" extravaganza is
>> entitled. the amount of money he makes off of his parties is disgusting;
>> which is hard for me to understand since it seems he randomly picks a
>> handful of djs from a pool of about 30, most of them 'big-names' but all
>> totally played out in the midwest.
>
>
>What in the world are you talking about? Wilhelm is one of the few people on
>that end of the scene that actually cares.  He really doesn't make all that
>much money off of the scene as you people seem to be implying, most of the
>profits he makes go toward the next party. Since I'm one of the few people
>that seem to like Wil(which I guess makes me one of the few people that knows
>him personally) I'll keep my post to a minimum because I don't need all the
>hate mail, but I just wanted to throw in my two cents. Wil spins good house,
>(you really can't get the feel of his music through his cassette, you really
>have to see him in person) he throws some of the better parties in
>Indianapolis, and he is generally and all around nice guy.  I don't think any
>of this will change your minds about Wil, but I guess that just shows who's
>mind is open and who's isn't(bring on the flame mail, I still love you all!)
>**PLUR** <BHUGs>
>DL
>
>

god dammit...do the math.
Get Freaky II = approx 3500 kids x $20 each...
that's...*calculating* ...gee, $70,000...
Well, the warehouse was about $1000...
Considering James Christian, Frankie Bones AND his supposed replacement
Adam X all didn't show,
I think it's safe to say he made a good $40,000+ dollars...
you're right though.  that's not much.
he's obviously about the scene.  
.lotek
.phear------paradyme@lotek.org
+drone
|_______jeff.

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Marvin Martian wrote:

> "rave will eat itself"
> think about it.

haha... is it wrong for me to connect this comment with Ron Jeremy's
appearance at Shake It??

"rave will suck itself off"

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Hey everybody!!


I had a pretty good weekend. Senseless fun.. with out the use of...


Phil

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I don't know if it's a party.. but I think it would be senseless fun if people
just started handing out fake flyers!! Hee hee! You know I would do it!!!

Phil

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This should be titled:

OPERATION MWRAVES IS FULL OF DOLTS.

I just read the original post a minute ago and i'm disbelieving people got
suckered by this obviously tongue-in-cheek thing.

People, wake up and use yer heads.

"Virgin cornfield" should have been the tip-off.

>For these are END TIMES, as 
>prophecied by Nostradamus. Perhaps what the world needs, to survive 
>these dark days ahead, are parties like OPERATION ABOVE GROUND!!

That should have been the clincher.

earache

PS. I know people are going to flame me for this post, but don't bother.
If you were silly enough to believe that post AND RESPOND TO IT WITH
SELF-RIGHTEOUS VIGOR YOU DO NOT HAVE THE WITS TO ENTERTAIN ME, SO DO NOT
REPLY.








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jacob feierbaum wrote:

> >There are people out there who will try to take this from us, 
> >repackage and resell it to not only us but the widest audience
> >possible.
> 
> WHAT"S WRONG WITH THIS???!! EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY THIS!

everyone *is* able to enjoy this... taking things to increasingly larger
levels removes the intimacy of the event and degrades the end result...
mass production leads to an inferior product...

this scene was inspired by a desire to break away from the mainstream
and its philosophy of appealing to the lowest common denominator...
maybe you want everyone to experience these events... BUT if you have to
make fundamental changes to the parties to bring people in then,
ultimately, it does more harm than good...

> >Don't let them do it.  Stand up for what you believe in, how you
> >think things should be done... inform, educate... and yes, learn.
> 
> Craig, you have failed to educate us on anything in this communique,
> please go back and do better, I know you can do it BUDDY!!!

Jake, you have failed to learn anything from his communique.  Please go
back and re-read it.  I know you can do it, buddy.
 
> But PLEASE, lose the elitism and egotism. You didn't invent "rave", 
> and you were a newbie once yourself, so deal with it.

that's about the only part of Craig's post that I disagree with... I
think that, to an extent, 'old schoolers' memories of the way 'things
used to be' are tainted by the same inexperience that skews the
perspective of todays 'new schoolers'...

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Does anyone know what a Juice card is?  I just got a flyer for Juice at H o'
Blues this friday and its free if you have a juice card.  whatever the hell
it is.  They don't just mean the flyer itself, do they?  utterly confused here.


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	It is not just a passing feeling.
	More than just a party,
	It's being real...it's being human.
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 Should we do it? Should we stay home and go
>get real jobs? What?
>
>Maybe the last weekend of August? Maybe halfway between Kentucky and
>Detroit? We'll see.
>


Im up for it.




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This is a forwarded message from NYC-raves.

think before you type

-mikeD

>>You should listen to what I'm going to tell you because it is the truth.
>>Get out of the typical: this is the net, we have free speech, I'm going to
>>argure with everything you say mode, AND LISTEN!
>>
>>I have sat in meetings with the Baltimore detective who is resposible for
>>the shutdown of Fever, the break up of Lost City, the raid on Fathom , the
>>cancellation of Mixmaster Morris, and recent attempts to convince Johns
>>Hopkins not to do Cloudwatch anymore.  He carries around with him a stack
>>of messages printed from DC and NE raves about raves and drug use!  Don't
>>be stupid enough to disbelieve me, I'm not lying, I have seen them, and I
>>have sat in meetings where he's gone through them to attempt to shut down
>>the scene.
>>
>>While it is true that they have many ways of finding out about parties and
>>could theoretically find ways to shut them down, the talk of drugs on the
>>"rave" lists creates a very convincing argument to the cops and the world
>>that raves exits only for drug use.  When you talk about drugs on a rave
>>list, you are not giving your opinion, you are giving your testimony,
>>without realizing that you _are_ on trial!  It is a trial where you can't
>>even defend yourself, and a trial where people like me who are out there
>>trying to defend the people who are participants in the scene not for the
>>drugs, but for the music and the vibe, are fighting a losing battle.
>>
>>When you talk about drugs on what is supposed to be a list to talk about
>>raves, you wind up making them one and the same.  Without that talk, the
>>police have to go out and actually do investigative work to prove their
>>point.  With the drug talk on the rave list, the detectives can sit at
>>their computers and collect the evidence, supplied to them by unwitting
>>"ravers" who think the internet exists for them run their mouths.
>>
>>History has shown (at least in several cases) that we can overcome the
>>damage that DC raves can do.  The Baltimore detective was able to shut down
>>Fathom, but failed in his attempts to convinve the world that I'm a drug
>>dealer (since I'm not), and failed to prove to the world that raves are all
>>about drugs (considering how little drugs there were).  That same Detective
>>failed in his attempts to get the DC police to shut down Ultraworld,
>>because the DC police refused to just take his word, and chose to do their
>>own investigation, which concluded that rave events were no worse than any
>>other concert for young adults, and in many ways better.  He may fail in
>>his attempts with Johns Hopkins, and he will most likely fail in other
>>ways, since we now preempt his phone calls with our own meetings with
>>police, so that when he calls them, he looks like the bad guy.
>>
>>However, largely due to drug talk on the raves lists, he succeeded in
>>destroying our relationship with Balitmore Rec and Parks (which means no
>>more Sunrise Festival), he succeeded in shutting down Fever, he succeeded
>>in convincing his superiors to continue to allow him to harrass the scene.
>>Right now, other cities seem to be doing OK, but believe me, if they get
>>one cop like this guy, they will be in for a battle as well.
>>
>>If you want to talk about drugs it should be on a different list, not one
>>that supposed to be about raves.   In the minds of the police and others in
>>power, if 60% of the talk on a rave list is about drugs, then raves must be
>>about drugs.  It's time everyone on the lists made a conscious and
>>_successful_ effort not to talk about drugs!
>>
>>Lonnie of Ultraworld
>>



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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Chris Jensen wrote:

> ok i think i've had it.  fuck raves, fuck ravers, fuck everything i
> thought i got into.  if i wanted negativity, if i wanted people to yell
> at each other because they can hide behind an email address instead of
> talk to someone personally, if i wanted to go to a party that was all

Net reality vs Reality. I love this place. hahaha...

> won't be underground for long.  and throwing so much negativity into the
> fray is only going to put a bad rap on raving when it does go
> aboveground somehow.

Whos to say it will ever be mainstream? So far, people are only exposed to
Chemical Brothers and Prodigy and they're reboradcasting shitty 20/20 shows
putting down raves. 

> fuck it.  i quit.  i hope everyone is happy with themselves, because i
> am on the verge of vomiting.  the people i once thought were the most
> beautiful in the world are showing their underlying grotesque visage.

See ya. have fun slam dancing at the Green Day concerts. Maybe it'll be more
fun. Doubt it.. but maybe.

> all i want is for everyone to have fun.  but there are forces of evil
> moving against that.

The Beast(tm) has you in its grip.

> i am so angry at myself for being pushed to the feelings i am harboring
> right now.

Yes, be angry. Be very anger. Anger is good. Feed the anger Coco Pebbles.

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, ShroomyGuy wrote:

> not people like Wilhelm, why are people always so interested in the bad in
> people that they forget to look for the good?

Cuz the bad is hell of a lot more fun! Why is everybody assuming we all think
the same way, and belive in some idealistic utopian BS wanna-be techno
religion? Why do we have to like everybody? I dont like everyone. 

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Russell E Schneider wrote:

> I joined this list that I realized how bad it is.  Something about the

*It* is bad. It is evil. It feeds from your bandwidth.

> I can't believe half the shit I read on here.  As far as the concept of
> PLUR is concerned, this list is about as far from it as you can get.

Is it now? Maybe mw-raves isnt the PLUR list?? You should start up the 
happy-fun-plurball-everything-is-smurfy-list@happyplace.com, then you wouldnt
have to read peoples opinions, especially if you disagree with them.

> How fucking egotistical can people be?  Instead of respecting each other's

Apparently, pretty egotistical, but so what? Why should it offend you if 
someone has an opinion??

> by a tedious thread of pretentious bullshit.  For every promoter,
> musician, or party out there, there will be those who agree with it and
> those who don't.  

Exactly.

> Chris is right; this list is a veritable cesspool of negativity.  Raves

MmMmmmmmm cesspools. Didnt life start in a cesspool?? BIG UP CESSPOOLS!

> used to be somewhere I could go to escape all the negative bullshit of
> daily life, but that's no longer the case.  Parties used to be places

Good, because you know what?? Escapism always leads back to life, and thats
reality. Thats real. Raves shouldnt be about escapism. 

> that's not good enough anymore.  Someone put a post up a little while ago 
> about how parties used to be for the freaks, aka those of us who are sick
> of the popularity contests, pressure to conform, etc. that mainstream

No raves used to be for people who wanted to hear underground music. Thats
what they should be today, and stop booking idiots like Electric Skychurch
and the like at events.

> America shoves in our faces everyday. Now for every kid out there trying 
> to do his own thing and have a good time, there is some elitist shithead
> passing judgement. This list is living testament to all the bitter,

There is always elitist shitheads passing judgement. This is as old as time.
If you dissatisfied with it now, you best get used to it.

> I personally have given up on this scene as a whole.  I now go to parties

I give up. I quit. Whine whine. The scene is what you make it, not what some
other persons opinion of it is, thats posted to only a mere 2-300 people.

> for the music, bottomline.  Unity will never be achieved as long as you
> remain intent on proving yourself superior to someone else.  For everyone

Unity will never be achieved, period. I wish it would, but its not going to 
happen. Take a look at the world around you. People fight, the argue, you
probably yelled at your friend or parents last week. Its the way things are.

> out there who wants to flame me, lemme just say "kiss my ass" in advance.      
MmmMmm asss. I like asssss....

> To all the cool kids I've met over the years through this scene I send my
> love & respect, & to all the self-righteous pricks I say fuck you and your
> mother.

My mom wouldnt touch you with a 10 foot glowstick.

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Marvin Martian wrote:

> after reading all of these post one phrase kept on comming into my mind.
> 
> "rave will eat itself"
> 
> think about it.

I'd rather have raves eat me.

What do raves taste like? If the black boogers and dirty floors are any
indictaion I dont see why a rave would eat itself or anyone would even 
consider licking the damn thing, much less eating it.

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gee sounds like the topeka police department....


AC


On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, MikeyD wrote:

> This is a forwarded message from NYC-raves.
> 
> think before you type
> 
> -mikeD
> 
> >>You should listen to what I'm going to tell you because it is the truth.
> >>Get out of the typical: this is the net, we have free speech, I'm going to
> >>argure with everything you say mode, AND LISTEN!
> >>
> >>I have sat in meetings with the Baltimore detective who is resposible for
> >>the shutdown of Fever, the break up of Lost City, the raid on Fathom , the
> >>cancellation of Mixmaster Morris, and recent attempts to convince Johns
> >>Hopkins not to do Cloudwatch anymore.  He carries around with him a stack
> >>of messages printed from DC and NE raves about raves and drug use!  Don't
> >>be stupid enough to disbelieve me, I'm not lying, I have seen them, and I
> >>have sat in meetings where he's gone through them to attempt to shut down
> >>the scene.
> >>
> >>While it is true that they have many ways of finding out about parties and
> >>could theoretically find ways to shut them down, the talk of drugs on the
> >>"rave" lists creates a very convincing argument to the cops and the world
> >>that raves exits only for drug use.  When you talk about drugs on a rave
> >>list, you are not giving your opinion, you are giving your testimony,
> >>without realizing that you _are_ on trial!  It is a trial where you can't
> >>even defend yourself, and a trial where people like me who are out there
> >>trying to defend the people who are participants in the scene not for the
> >>drugs, but for the music and the vibe, are fighting a losing battle.
> >>
> >>When you talk about drugs on what is supposed to be a list to talk about
> >>raves, you wind up making them one and the same.  Without that talk, the
> >>police have to go out and actually do investigative work to prove their
> >>point.  With the drug talk on the rave list, the detectives can sit at
> >>their computers and collect the evidence, supplied to them by unwitting
> >>"ravers" who think the internet exists for them run their mouths.
> >>
> >>History has shown (at least in several cases) that we can overcome the
> >>damage that DC raves can do.  The Baltimore detective was able to shut down
> >>Fathom, but failed in his attempts to convinve the world that I'm a drug
> >>dealer (since I'm not), and failed to prove to the world that raves are all
> >>about drugs (considering how little drugs there were).  That same Detective
> >>failed in his attempts to get the DC police to shut down Ultraworld,
> >>because the DC police refused to just take his word, and chose to do their
> >>own investigation, which concluded that rave events were no worse than any
> >>other concert for young adults, and in many ways better.  He may fail in
> >>his attempts with Johns Hopkins, and he will most likely fail in other
> >>ways, since we now preempt his phone calls with our own meetings with
> >>police, so that when he calls them, he looks like the bad guy.
> >>
> >>However, largely due to drug talk on the raves lists, he succeeded in
> >>destroying our relationship with Balitmore Rec and Parks (which means no
> >>more Sunrise Festival), he succeeded in shutting down Fever, he succeeded
> >>in convincing his superiors to continue to allow him to harrass the scene.
> >>Right now, other cities seem to be doing OK, but believe me, if they get
> >>one cop like this guy, they will be in for a battle as well.
> >>
> >>If you want to talk about drugs it should be on a different list, not one
> >>that supposed to be about raves.   In the minds of the police and others in
> >>power, if 60% of the talk on a rave list is about drugs, then raves must be
> >>about drugs.  It's time everyone on the lists made a conscious and
> >>_successful_ effort not to talk about drugs!
> >>
> >>Lonnie of Ultraworld
> >>
> 
> 


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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Jon Gilkison wrote:

> "Virgin cornfield" should have been the tip-off.

I want a Virgin Oatfield. Then we could all go out and sow our oats. Then
we would be happy fun PLUR people.

> PS. I know people are going to flame me for this post, but don't bother.
> If you were silly enough to believe that post AND RESPOND TO IT WITH
> SELF-RIGHTEOUS VIGOR YOU DO NOT HAVE THE WITS TO ENTERTAIN ME, SO DO NOT
> REPLY.

Entertain *this*.

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Thank you, Noah.

This thread just goes to show one that it isn't just happening in the
MW.  These types of topics flow all over the mailing lists.  Noah, being
from my home of Texas, has dealt with plenty of controversial threads,
similar to this one.  We all just have to learn how to deal with what
others have to say.  We may not like what someone has to say, but that's
their natural right to speak their mind.  If we start censoring
ourselves just because of someone else's thoughts about how we are, then
you're just getting sucked up into the whole mask-wearing void of
society.

There are plenty of things about my life and life in general that I am
dissatisfied with, but I don't go around ranting and raving (ok,
raving...haha) about how shitty something or someone is.  It is about
the same as diving head first into a deep dark pit.  

Peace,
Angel O:)

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> From: 	dj noahphex[SMTP:noahphex@happy.hardcorps.org]
> Sent: 	 March 03, 1998 9:31AM
> To: 	Midwest Raves R Us
> Subject: 	Re: this stupid list
> 
> 
> > How fucking egotistical can people be?  Instead of respecting each
> other's
> 
> Apparently, pretty egotistical, but so what? Why should it offend you
> if 
> someone has an opinion??
> 
> > by a tedious thread of pretentious bullshit.  For every promoter,
> > musician, or party out there, there will be those who agree with it
> and those who don't.  
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> > Chris is right; this list is a veritable cesspool of negativity.
> Raves
> 
> MmMmmmmmm cesspools. Didnt life start in a cesspool?? BIG UP
> CESSPOOLS!
> 
> > used to be somewhere I could go to escape all the negative bullshit
> of daily life, but that's no longer the case.  Parties used to be
> places
> 
> Good, because you know what?? Escapism always leads back to life, and
> thats reality. Thats real. Raves shouldnt be about escapism. 
> 
> > America shoves in our faces everyday. Now for every kid out there
> trying  to do his own thing and have a good time, there is some
> elitist shithead passing judgement. This list is living testament to
> all the bitter,
> 
> There is always elitist shitheads passing judgement. This is as old as
> time.  If you dissatisfied with it now, you best get used to it.
> 
> > I personally have given up on this scene as a whole.  I now go to
> parties
> 
> I give up. I quit. Whine whine. The scene is what you make it, not
> what some other persons opinion of it is, thats posted to only a mere
> 2-300 people.
> 
> > for the music, bottomline.  Unity will never be achieved as long as
> you remain intent on proving yourself superior to someone else.  For
> everyone
> 
> Unity will never be achieved, period. I wish it would, but its not
> going to 
> happen. Take a look at the world around you. People fight, the argue,
> you probably yelled at your friend or parents last week. Its the way
> things are.
> 
> > out there who wants to flame me, lemme just say "kiss my ass" in
> advance.      
> 
> MmmMmm asss. I like asssss....
> 
> > To all the cool kids I've met over the years through this scene I
> send my love & respect, & to all the self-righteous pricks I say fuck
> you and your mother.
> 
> My mom wouldnt touch you with a 10 foot glowstick.
> 
Right on.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 03 15:47:55 1998
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My friend recently bought a copy of rebirth v 1.5
we just downloaded the technobox mod off of the propellerheads website. 
when the techno box program is ran it asks you for the rebirth cd. it
looks like it installs a seperate copy of rebirth and modifies it. well it
runs just fine but then when the program is exited and pulled up again it
does not work, it is frozen. but even weirder is the origninal copy of
rebirth suffers the same symptoms. reinstalling everything fixes this but
as soon as you exit it, it all happens again. 
has anyone encountered this or know how to fix this? 
i will be contacting propellerheads but is was just wondering.

AC



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In a message dated 98-03-02 17:14:09 EST, you write:

<< 
 P.S. re:overground(sic)...are you fucking kidding? This is the bullshit
 that stopped veteran ravers like myself and many others from partying
 and djing at american events. Not to sound like Grandpa but anybody who
 is on this list that goes to an event like this or some other huge thing
 in Cincinnati (Which I know nothing about other than size, which is
 enough to know ITS A BAD THING) is contributing nothing to the World of
 House other than to put another nail in its coffin.
 
 The answer: (provided you are 19 or older) get up to toronto, get into
 industry on any given saturday night, and feel what it was like back in
 the day. It is still there!
 
 I love you all.
 
 Jetstream (semi-retired).
  >>

AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!  I have been laughing at this all yesterday, i was laughing
so hard it took till today to respond. hahaha!!!

OK, first of all. you hate commercial huge events?? THEN why the hell are you
at Industry, I live in Toronto, i have seen these people work towards their
goal for 3 years (Industry being their goal) and i can tell you these people
do not benifit the rave scene, the club scene yes, rave scene no.  All they do
is spend the $$ they make off the $3.50 water on cocaine.  YES!! they bring in
good DJ's but for the most part (not all of them)   they only hire them cause
the hippest club mag. says they are cool or cause they bring crowds.  Its the
UK club thing.  Toronto is turning into that and it frightens me.    Industry
ruins the scene here by having a monopoly on a bunch of good dj's.  well, i
can't say these people are all bad, Industry is the goal they have lived for
and they got it, yay for them, most people never achieve their goals  but i
can tell you, it is the farthest thing from underground, i can think of in the
scene.  They are advertised on TV the radio, and anyone who has been to canada
and watched that wonderful show called Electric Circus with those dancers who
don't like the music they just want to be on TV and have everyone look at
their sexy bodies, well those are the people that go to industry. Mario J is
better than richie, maybe you were high on blow too, i don't like richie's
music mugh, but i can tell you he has much more talent than Mario J, although
i hear Mario is a nice guy.  Anyway, If you like Industry, thats your choice,
i hate the place and will never go there again except sometimes to laugh at
people if i am relaly ahrd up for something to do, but if you think thats the
best toronto has got, your missing on the real undergroun here, if your  here
again mail me and i'll show you a real party.  

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Your witty pal Noah exemplifies exactly what I'm talking about.
It's pretty easy to tear down what someone else says (especially
on a mailing list), but much harder to constuctively challenge their
point from your own perspective.

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> Thank you, Noah.
> 
> This thread just goes to show one that it isn't just happening in the
> MW.  These types of topics flow all over the mailing lists.  Noah, being
> from my home of Texas, has dealt with plenty of controversial threads,
> similar to this one.  We all just have to learn how to deal with what
> others have to say.  We may not like what someone has to say, but that's
> their natural right to speak their mind.  If we start censoring
> ourselves just because of someone else's thoughts about how we are, then
> you're just getting sucked up into the whole mask-wearing void of
> society.
> 

I personally don't believe in censorship; my post had nothing to do with
that.  It was more along the lines of a fundamental belief that people
can be nice to each other, even though it takes more effort than putting
someone down.

> > 
> > MmMmmmmmm cesspools. Didnt life start in a cesspool?? BIG UP
> > CESSPOOLS!
 
Good point, Noah.

> > There is always elitist shitheads passing judgement. This is as old as
> > time.  If you dissatisfied with it now, you best get used to it.

Sadly enough, I an used to it.  Avoiding it is the difficult part.


> > My mom wouldnt touch you with a 10 foot glowstick.


As tempting as it is, I'm not gonna touch this one.  Once started,
"your momma" jokes know no limitations.

Russ
   


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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Russell E Schneider wrote:

> Your witty pal Noah exemplifies exactly what I'm talking about.
> It's pretty easy to tear down what someone else says (especially
> on a mailing list), but much harder to constuctively challenge their
> point from your own perspective.

Funny to try and come off as mister high and mighty when you insult me
in personal emails, which I wont bother wasting the bandwidth of here on
the list.

> I personally don't believe in censorship; my post had nothing to do with
> that.  It was more along the lines of a fundamental belief that people
> can be nice to each other, even though it takes more effort than putting
> someone down.

I agree. I think your problem lies in your complete lack of any sort of sense 
of humor or lack of detection of sarcasm. This, my friend, will be a big
problem for you in a medium such as this...

> Sadly enough, I an used to it.  Avoiding it is the difficult part.

Why avoid it? Thrive in it? Mock it, eat it, be it. If you cant see how silly
this all is, you havent been n the net long enough, or you've lost touch with
net reality versus actual reality.

> As tempting as it is, I'm not gonna touch this one.  Once started,
> "your momma" jokes know no limitations.

So does overanylizing your momz jokes.

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At 11:51 AM 3/3/98 -0600, Russell E Schneider wrote:
>
>Your witty pal Noah exemplifies exactly what I'm talking about.
>It's pretty easy to tear down what someone else says (especially
>on a mailing list), but much harder to constuctively challenge their
>point from your own perspective.

Mr. Schneider,
What you don't know can hurt you. Noah has known the in's and out's
of rave related lists for years because he has run one... He isn't hiding
anything from anyone as you so think. It if funny you preach your 
PLUR then diss it in the next email you send... think about it for a 
moment I know things other listmemebers don't... (pertaining to this
particular subject)... You say Noah hides behind an email address...
what does that mean?? He can be a knob yes I know I live with him ;P
but then again when stupid ass shit is being said and it is exactly that
stupid alittle sarcasim can be taken the wrong way... That is where
your plur preaching comes in... Which is silly cause anyone who knows
Noah or I sarcasim is  a way of life and seeing the way that you have
reacted makes it funny how people can over react and be sensitive to
a mailing list.... so my advice relax or you will die from a heart attack
dude.

Jenni/Efron


Jennifer Palmer
Texas Hardcorps - Austin, Texas
Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad - Austin, Texas
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Oy!
I'm gonna stop this right now, before we fill everyone's mailboxes
with this type of rambling.  You've obviously got your perspective &
I've got mine, & no amount of e-mail is gonna change that.  I'm all
too familiar with types who view everything in life (including people's
feelings) as fodder for sarcastic humor, so rather than clog up the list
with garbage, e-mail me privately if you have something to say (like 
I did for you).
thanks a bunch,
Russ


On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, dj noahphex wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Russell E Schneider wrote:
> 
> > Your witty pal Noah exemplifies exactly what I'm talking about.
> > It's pretty easy to tear down what someone else says (especially
> > on a mailing list), but much harder to constuctively challenge their
> > point from your own perspective.
> 
> Funny to try and come off as mister high and mighty when you insult me
> in personal emails, which I wont bother wasting the bandwidth of here on
> the list.
> 
> > I personally don't believe in censorship; my post had nothing to do with
> > that.  It was more along the lines of a fundamental belief that people
> > can be nice to each other, even though it takes more effort than putting
> > someone down.
> 
> I agree. I think your problem lies in your complete lack of any sort of sense 
> of humor or lack of detection of sarcasm. This, my friend, will be a big
> problem for you in a medium such as this...
> 
> > Sadly enough, I an used to it.  Avoiding it is the difficult part.
> 
> Why avoid it? Thrive in it? Mock it, eat it, be it. If you cant see how silly
> this all is, you havent been n the net long enough, or you've lost touch with
> net reality versus actual reality.
> 
> > As tempting as it is, I'm not gonna touch this one.  Once started,
> > "your momma" jokes know no limitations.
> 
> So does overanylizing your momz jokes.
> 
> 		    dj noahphex   ::  noahphex@hardcorps.org
> 				aka. muppetfucker
> 			http://www.hardcorps.org/noahphex
> 			Voice Mail: 1 - 512 - 703 - 8901
> 			Happy Hardcore Mailing List Owner
> 		  THUGS: Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad 
> 


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 03 19:00:09 1998
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>I want a Virgin Oatfield. Then we could all go out and sow our oats. Then
>we would be happy fun PLUR people.

This is exactly what I meant in my PS about the general lack of wits on
this list.

I'll take a break on noah cause I know and LOVE HIM despite his
preoccupation with cheeseball music.

earache.

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feeling sort of stupid for reacting so dramatically to the ecstacy post and
the other threads running on the list lately.  This scene is my life, and I
work very hard on it everyday.  I guess I tend to take things to the
extreme sometimes.  It's great when its a party and we go above and beyond
to produce a slamming event.  But it kinda sucks when it makes one scream
and yell.  Hope no one was too offended.

still dancing, still screaming, still learning

PURE/WPCM



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I swear to god...i hate this goddamn list and I will never talk to anybody
again and you all suck and jesus christ i dunno wut the hell i am doing
writing you this email cuz i should just quit posting to this list at all.

Anyways...anything interesting coming up in midwest? anybody tried
anything new lately? I am tired of talkin about rave...lets discuss
something else...like um why the fuck does my computer keep saying
"Floating point invalid"

*the first paragraph was a joke by the way...dont like start jumpin all
over my shit plz...i am nice i promise*

Oh yah...and for those cops reading any rave-related mailing lists, my
buddy and I are gonna get together tonight...shoot sum heroin in our
asses, snort booogers and smoke something. MMMM a smoked sausage sounds
good.

I am makin no sense sorry
Me


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One day on the list "welcome back jenni"

I wanted to get back on to find out what is going down in my old area
see if there was anything worth going back to the mw for.... And what
happens?? People take sarcastic comments wrong just because they
don't know someone and just because someone is doing a poll for
a paper or research people get all bent (I know you appoligized ;) 
I find it at the most humorous and at the least pathetic.... How can you
take some words on a screen so seriously when you don't even know
that person IRL?? (I mean this in terms of non-life threatening situations)

I mean I would be more apt to talk about parties issues there about and
music and what effects us and what will help the scene... right that is what
the list is for?? if I remember correctly... yes that is right... 

I take the music/"rave" scene seriously and have for years, but thatis
left for the weekends when IRL... mailing lists are not real life... but for
talking about the real life of parties and what shapes they take on...

Here everyone hides, to a degree, behind an email address. Don't take
mailing lists so seriously you may end up 40 years old still wearing 
phat pants, baby t's and with pasifiers in yer mouths.

Jenni/Efron


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>(you really can't get the feel of his music through his cassette, you really
>have to see him in person) he throws some of the better parties in
----
if the dj is good, the tape will do.
...like mark almaria's tapes
(that i stole from jon)
(haha)

john.dove
===============================================    
||     http://csclub.stthomas.edu/~johnc     ||
===============================================



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> Mr. Schneider,
> What you don't know can hurt you. Noah has known the in's and out's
> of rave related lists for years because he has run one... He isn't hiding

Hooray for Noah.  Is this supposed to impress me?  His credentials
don't make him any less of an asshole.

> anything from anyone as you so think. It if funny you preach your 
> PLUR then diss it in the next email you send... think about it for a 

Preach PLUR?  I'd like to see one incident of my preaching PLUR.
The only reference I made to it was in saying that this list
represents it's antithesis.  Personally, I think that most of
the people who spout rhetoric about PLUR fail to practice what
they preach.

> moment I know things other listmemebers don't... (pertaining to this
> particular subject)... You say Noah hides behind an email address...
> what does that mean?? He can be a knob yes I know I live with him ;P
> but then again when stupid ass shit is being said and it is exactly that
> stupid alittle sarcasim can be taken the wrong way... That is where
> your plur preaching comes in... Which is silly cause anyone who knows
> Noah or I sarcasim is  a way of life and seeing the way that you have
> reacted makes it funny how people can over react and be sensitive to
> a mailing list.... so my advice relax or you will die from a heart attack
> dude.

If sarcasm is your way of life, then you're the one I feel sorry for.
I know many people (friends included) who live their lives hiding
behind a veil of cynicism & contempt, & I know one day it's going to
come back to them.  True, a mailing list should not be taken too 
seriously, but it should also be kept in mind that each and every
person who contributes to this list has feelings that should (in
my opinion) be respected.
Russ



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It is time for the battle of the century:


In the happy, good-natured, let's be friends corner:

TX-RAVES


And in the cynical, fuck you corner:

MW-RAVES

*ding ding ding*


Remember, powerbombing is outlawed.(xotis)

=exit=
-adam-

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Good point chris.  I've lived in the midwest all my life, and now I go to
one of the top music schools in the country.  I love the midwest, but I'm
stuck in LA (because I love this school, and face it you can't really get
into music in the midwest as easily as here).  I've noticed this about the
just passing "alternitive" scene.  The philosiphy was "fuck
commercialism," not "fuck everyone that wasn't here since I was."  Now, i
see the exact same thing with the "rave scene."  Please kids, don't do the
same thing the past generations have done.  What happened to PLUR?  We
remember what it means right?  I don't mean Peace Love ....  I mean what
it REALLY means.  It's the whole reason I identify myself with the rave
culture, and I'd hate to see it shit on like that.  
Please pardon me, if I may seem hippocritical (due to previous posts)  I
try to be my normal positive loving self, but I may have been tired and
posted some crap I don't believe, but was too tired to realize it (i know
that may not make sense but sometimes I don't thourghly think out my
thesis and supporting argument).  I hate negitivity.  My 5th grade teacher
told us an anology about dipping in ppl's buckets.  It was about making
ourselfs feel good by putting others down (dipping in their bucket and
putting it in ours).  I think this relates.  The negitivity is zapping
ppl's NRG (i know it's eating away at mine). 
I'm going to wrap this up because I'll start to ramble on about my
philosophy.
Summery:  We're headed the same way other generations have (most resently
the alternitive era),  let's actually be different this time and not
self-destruct.


Love
josh

PS I'm overflowing with Pos NRG currently.  I'm meeting all kinds of cool
ppl, and it makes me happy.  :-)


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ummmm yeah I may run texas raves on hyperreal BUT
I lived in the mid west first and the longest !!

Jenni/Efron
At 02:42 PM 3/3/98 -0600, Adam Tyr wrote:
>It is time for the battle of the century:
>
>
>In the happy, good-natured, let's be friends corner:
>
>TX-RAVES
>
>
>And in the cynical, fuck you corner:
>
>MW-RAVES
>
>*ding ding ding*



Jennifer Palmer
Texas Hardcorps - Austin, Texas
Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad - Austin, Texas
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Texas Raves Hyperreal Web Admin
Texas Raves Calendar Admin
Texas Hardcorps DJ & Web Admin 
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efron@hardcorps.org - jenni@hardcorps.org


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Perfect summery (see my long winded post)


love
josh

On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Marvin Martian wrote:

> after reading all of these post one phrase kept on comming into my mind.
> 
> "rave will eat itself"
> 
> think about it.
> 
> 
> 


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Damn talented!  
Hopefully for integraty it will find a significant other to do it for
him/her/it.


love
josh
who can neither suck himself off or get anyone else to do it for that
matter.  :-)

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, dj fishead wrote:

 
> "rave will suck itself off"


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I'm down with that.  I could use some random craziness!

love
josh

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, PHILFART wrote:

> I don't know if it's a party.. but I think it would be senseless fun if people
> just started handing out fake flyers!! Hee hee! You know I would do it!!!
> 
> Phil
> 


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Ok,  ever since I moved up to Missouri in September, I have noticed
something out of the ordinary.  Is there some cosmic relationship
between the MW and Texas?   I know people who've moved back and forth
between the two, myself included.  I find this quite interestingly
bizarre.  

I mean, Jenni, for example (sorry Jenni, don't mean to stick ya out
there like that):  She was from MW, right?  Now she's in Austin.  I was
in Austin, now I'm up here in the MW.  There are various others who've
gone the similar path.  

This is just creeping me out; and I don't creep out that easily.  I
mean, it's a good creepy feeling; don't get me wrong.  I just tend to
notice things like that.  I know there isn't an answer to why this is,
but has anyone else noticed that?  Even outside of the list.  I met some
guy at a party in Illinois who was from Ft. Hood (45 min. from Austin).
Crazy.

Am I going sane, or what?

O:}

PS:  Welcome back to the MW, Jenni; I'm sure the weather here will clear
up soon.

> ----------
> From: 	Jenni Palmer[SMTP:efron@hardcorps.org]
> Sent: 	 March 03, 1998 1:38PM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	aaah
> 
> Jennifer Palmer
> Texas Hardcorps - Austin, Texas
> Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad - Austin, Texas
> 

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For goodness sake people. The reason you're getting all upset about
someone's perspective on things on how they've been and where they're
going is because he's right.

Take a step back and look at things from Craig's point of view. Instead
of taking personal offense assuming he's slagging everybody off, think
about how things look from someone who's been around for a long time,
seen the goods and bads of the "scene", and is trying to share
information about how life could be better. Don't get all bent out of
shape. Take it for what it is, a positive contribution. Any of us who've
been around the rave block know exactly what he's saying, and if you
don't give up know and still try to support and represent the way you've
been, in 2-3 years you'll be standing up and saying the same things.

I mean, it's 1998, and I'm reading things like "it's not like it used to
be, it used to be this and used to be that and it's not like that
anymore". Did you know that in 1994 we were saying the same things about
'92-'93!? 

Read what Craig wrote again and really THINK about it. Back in the day
when things/people came around that SUCKED, we rallied around each other
and supported the REAL. Y'all need to do that today.


Jetstream (Semi-retired)


P.S. And another thing. If you were into the "scene" first because of
the "scene" and the music came later, then you were into it for the
wrong reasons to begin with and you've only come around now.

Now that's controversy.

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At 03:10 PM 3/3/98 -0600, Oberle, Michelle wrote:
>Ok,  ever since I moved up to Missouri in September, I have noticed
>something out of the ordinary.  Is there some cosmic relationship
>between the MW and Texas?   I know people who've moved back and forth
>between the two, myself included.  I find this quite interestingly
>bizarre.  

I moved to the MW from TX.  Remember that TX is a very transititory state.
Unless you were born there, you tend not to stay there.

=exit=
-adam-

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Man, I feel like I'm in the middle of some e-list love triangle.  :P

Color me Switzerland, baby.  I know I've said my share of things, but if
it is coming to this....have a nice time, y'all!

O;)

PS:  that was kind of a cute little post, though, adam.  It made me
grin. :)
> ----------
> From: 	Adam Tyr[SMTP:z917792@oats.farm.niu.edu]
> Sent: 	 March 03, 1998 2:42PM
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> 
> It is time for the battle of the century:
> 
> In the happy, good-natured, let's be friends corner:
> 
> TX-RAVES
> 
> And in the cynical, fuck you corner:
> 
> MW-RAVES
> 
> *ding ding ding*
> 
> Remember, powerbombing is outlawed.(xotis)
> 
> 

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hey.. I don't know if this is "rave" related, but does anyone have a
tmplate for cassette tape J-cards they can mail me? Pagemaker that is...

thanks in advance...

jason

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>>(you really can't get the feel of his music through his cassette, you really
>>have to see him in person) he throws some of the better parties in
>----
>if the dj is good, the tape will do.
>...like mark almaria's tapes
>(that i stole from jon)
>(haha)

fucker!  :P

jon/dica


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>For goodness sake people. The reason you're getting all upset about
>someone's perspective on things on how they've been and where they're
>going is because he's right.

agreed.

>Take a step back and look at things from Craig's point of view. Instead
>of taking personal offense assuming he's slagging everybody off, think
>about how things look from someone who's been around for a long time,
>seen the goods and bads of the "scene", and is trying to share
>information about how life could be better. Don't get all bent out of
>shape. Take it for what it is, a positive contribution. Any of us who've
>been around the rave block know exactly what he's saying, and if you
>don't give up know and still try to support and represent the way you've
>been, in 2-3 years you'll be standing up and saying the same things.

i think a good comparison to the rave scene is saturday morning cartoons.

they were great back then when we watched them.
they're not so great now that we go back and watch them.
but to all the kids just starting to watch them, they're awesome.

let's not mope about the past, let's change the present.

jon/dica


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Add to this a philosiphy that I use:

I don't take myself that seriously.

It helps.


Love
The fruitcake!


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He wasn't tearing down, he was joking.  That topic was way too serious and
way off topic for this medium.  I interprete the point to be having fun.
You don't seem to be having fun.  I'm having fun, and I'm happy too.
Something else you don't seem to be.  
seriously (the following is not a flame)

get laid.

it does a world of good.  When I get like you are right now, it really
helps.
I mean COME ON.  Arguments about grammer, spelling, and religion?  I get
enough of this at school.  My rave world and my school world never ever
cross. 



Love
josh
ps i'm really not trying to tear you down or anything.  i'm trying to help


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In a message dated 98-03-03 16:32:29 EST, jabraun@students.wisc.edu writes:

<< they were great back then when we watched them.
 they're not so great now that we go back and watch them.
 >>


  yo fuck that shit!!!! whats so bad about cartoons now?  i  think
youve been to too many bad partys with no vibe that cost too much and had
overrated dj's, blah blah blah, I think we should live video mix new cartoons
with bad ones at parties so that way everybody is happy. and if they dont like
it they can join
a mailing list about nothing but illegal substances!!!!!!!


   excuse me while I kiss the bowl.......

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Yaaaaaa, midwest!  Anyone wanna go tip a cow?  hehe!  of course I'm just
kidding.

love
josh

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Jenni Palmer wrote:

> ummmm yeah I may run texas raves on hyperreal BUT
> I lived in the mid west first and the longest !!



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Yes, agreed, Josh.  I thank you for reminding me of that main aspect of
my being.  I guess we all get a bit caught up in things now and then. 

I guess it's time to stand up on our desks and shout:

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the Trees!"

Love,
O:)

> ----------
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> 
> Add to this a philosiphy that I use:
> 
> I don't take myself that seriously.
> 
> It helps.
> 
> 
> Love
> The fruitcake!
> 

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<climbs up on desk>

<shouts>
I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!


<climbs down>
<goes back to work>




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Russell E Schneider wrote:

> Hooray for Noah.  Is this supposed to impress me?  His credentials
> don't make him any less of an asshole.

watch out man... him and Tank Abbot will both come down and kick yer
ass... for real.

> If sarcasm is your way of life, then you're the one I feel sorry for.
> I know many people (friends included) who live their lives hiding
> behind a veil of cynicism & contempt, & I know one day it's going to
> come back to them.  True, a mailing list should not be taken too
> seriously, but it should also be kept in mind that each and every
> person who contributes to this list has feelings that should (in
> my opinion) be respected.

I dunno... anybody who gets their panties tied too tight over a
goddamned e-mail has got some insecurity problems... I mean, people are
always getting slandered on this list (sometimes justly, sometimes
not)... even plur-preaching motherfuckers gotta vent their frustration
sometime... 

Noah's just about the friendliest guy I can recall meeting.... he's just
pissing in the wind here... the drops are falling where they may, so
don't feel singled out 'cause one of 'em hit you...

-- 
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> i think a good comparison to the rave scene is saturday morning cartoons.
> 
> they were great back then when we watched them.
> they're not so great now that we go back and watch them.
> but to all the kids just starting to watch them, they're awesome.

i dont know about this. granted it is the case with some of the cartoons,
but with the classics, i think it is different. take for example bugs
bunny. there are many cultural, historical, and social references that i
know i didnt catch when i was young. i think that if the cartoon is a
classic, then the enjoyment of it can be taken to a whole new level when
you older.

.zoki.




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Good gravy.
This topic is a day old, and already beat into the ground.
Some people saw Noah's comments as humorous, I saw them as 
lame and uncalled for.  Two different views which aren't going to be 
resolved by a mailing list.  There is no point to living if you're
not gonna have fun, but putting people down (at least to me) doesn't
constitute a good time.  Obviously alot of people on this list disagree
with me.

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Josh wrote:

> He wasn't tearing down, he was joking.  That topic was way too serious and
> way off topic for this medium.  I interprete the point to be having fun.
> You don't seem to be having fun.  I'm having fun, and I'm happy too.
> Something else you don't seem to be.  
> seriously (the following is not a flame)
> 
> get laid.

Yes, sex is definitely a good way to relieve stress.

> 
> it does a world of good.  When I get like you are right now, it really
> helps.
> I mean COME ON.  Arguments about grammer, spelling, and religion?  I get
> enough of this at school.  My rave world and my school world never ever
> cross. 
> 

I thought all that religion & grammar stuff was pretty wack, and not
worthy of arguing over.  Hell, if I had been in a better mood when I 
read Craig's post the other night, I probably would've just blown it
off instead of responding to it.  It just pisses me off to see an arrogant
cock trying to put someone on a lower level then themselves.

> 
> 
> Love
> josh
> ps i'm really not trying to tear you down or anything.  i'm trying to help
> 

whatever's clever
Russ


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Now don't you feel better?

BTW, what movie was that from?  I have seen it, but I just can't quite
remember...

O:)

> ----------
> From: 	Josh[SMTP:joshual@scf-fs.usc.edu]
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> 
> <climbs up on desk>
> 
> <shouts>
> I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!
> 
> 
> <climbs down>
> <goes back to work>
> 
> 
> 

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karl kowalski wrote:

> Read what Craig wrote again and really THINK about it. Back in the day
> when things/people came around that SUCKED, we rallied around each 
> other and supported the REAL. Y'all need to do that today.

which means that when someone says "don't support crap" there is
absolutely no reason for people to say "maybe they'll do better next
time" because odds are they'll just assemble a larger, costlier turd...
It's time that people started using their heads and filtering out some
of the utter shite that floats around in this scene....

Support the REAL and fuck everything else.

-- 
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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, dj fishead wrote:

> Noah's just about the friendliest guy I can recall meeting.... he's just
> pissing in the wind here... the drops are falling where they may, so
> don't feel singled out 'cause one of 'em hit you...

Hahah thanks man. Lovely Fisheead eloquence...BTW
I'm writing for Massive now. My shit should be in the next
issue.

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sorry.  i only read my mail once a day (if that).  stuff slips by.  and
i'm slow. so....

<braindead: no witty comment to put here>


love
josh

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Russell E Schneider wrote:

> 
> Good gravy.
> This topic is a day old, and already beat into the ground.
> Some people saw Noah's comments as humorous, I saw them as 
> lame and uncalled for.  Two different views which aren't going to be 
> resolved by a mailing list.  There is no point to living if you're
> not gonna have fun, but putting people down (at least to me) doesn't
> constitute a good time.  Obviously alot of people on this list disagree
> with me.
> 
> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Josh wrote:
> 
> > He wasn't tearing down, he was joking.  That topic was way too serious and
> > way off topic for this medium.  I interprete the point to be having fun.
> > You don't seem to be having fun.  I'm having fun, and I'm happy too.
> > Something else you don't seem to be.  
> > seriously (the following is not a flame)
> > 
> > get laid.
> 
> Yes, sex is definitely a good way to relieve stress.
> 
> > 
> > it does a world of good.  When I get like you are right now, it really
> > helps.
> > I mean COME ON.  Arguments about grammer, spelling, and religion?  I get
> > enough of this at school.  My rave world and my school world never ever
> > cross. 
> > 
> 
> I thought all that religion & grammar stuff was pretty wack, and not
> worthy of arguing over.  Hell, if I had been in a better mood when I 
> read Craig's post the other night, I probably would've just blown it
> off instead of responding to it.  It just pisses me off to see an arrogant
> cock trying to put someone on a lower level then themselves.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Love
> > josh
> > ps i'm really not trying to tear you down or anything.  i'm trying to help
> > 
> 
> whatever's clever
> Russ
> 
> 


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did he say funky butt loving?

I don't even know how that got into my rotation of senseless fun phrases.
i asked that before, and got a reply, but i forgot the movie.

i always feel good. (no drugs, it's natural or something)

love
josh

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> Now don't you feel better?
> 
> BTW, what movie was that from?  I have seen it, but I just can't quite
> remember...
> 
> O:)
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Josh[SMTP:joshual@scf-fs.usc.edu]
> > Sent: 	 March 03, 1998 4:09PM
> > To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: 	funky butt loving!
> > 
> > <climbs up on desk>
> > 
> > <shouts>
> > I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!
> > 
> > 
> > <climbs down>
> > <goes back to work>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 


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THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, PEOPLE!!!!! ALL I DID WAS PROPOSE A 
PARTY, NOT MOLEST SMALL CHILDREN OR RAPE OLD WOMEN!!!!!!! WHAT IS WRONG 
WITH YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU FEEL THE NEED TO HARASS ME BY SENDING ME 
THOUSANDS OF FAKE EMAILS AND PRANK CALLING ME EVERY 5 MINUTES!!!

NOT TO MENTION THE LIES THAT HAVE BEEN SPREAD ON HERE ABOUT ME WHICH 
HAVE NO BASIS IN FACT!!!!

JEFF GAGE, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, I STRONLGY RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHUT 
DOWN THIS LIST FOR A BREATHER AND A TIME TO REFOCUS AND REMEMBER THAT 
THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION FOR A "RAVE" CAREER OR PROMOTION!!!!!

IF THIS LIST DOES NOT SHAPE UP THERE IS SERIOUS JEOPARDY OF LEGAL 
ACTION!!!!!! P.L.U.R. to all! J.A.Cob (ready to leave myself, disgusted 
with 90% of the posts on here)

p.s. I am a non-violent person and any people making threats against me 
WILL face legal recourse. Nor will I face anyone "mano a mano on a 
virgin cornfield" as one person suggested, to fight out our differences. 
GET A FUCKING CLUE PEOPLE!!

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Okay kids, I've figured it out...

I KNOW what's REALLY happening here...

It's about that time of year where two things are happening at once to
cause people who, during any other time of the year are really great and
wonderful people to turn into stressed out, overworked, underslept,
underfed, pissed off motherfucking assholes....

It's midterms for just about any college/university in the nation, and
it's also really close to spring break...

go take a look in the mw-raves archives at posts right around this same
time of year the past few years and you'll see a really strange
coinkydink... during this time of year it seems that EVERYONE is pissed,
stressed or whatever, and therefore noone gets along...

Give it a couple of weeks and things will be all hunkydory again, until
the beginning of May... Then comes FINALS! wheeee finals!!!

For those of you not in school, I chalk it up to a general PMSiness that
usually happens to those around this time of year when taxes are soon
due... ;)

Everyone, just take a fucking chill pill, pop in your favorite tape, and
relax for a while. Dance around your house apartment or dorm room for an
hour or two... Have a cup of hot chocolate with whipped creme or read a
good book, maybe even something by the recently deceased Nicholas
Saunders...

Having been deemed the "offical" Mw-Raves Mother, let my end with saying,
I love you all, even if you act like a bunch of assholes sometimes... Now
go to your room and give some serious thought to the way you're acting and
reacting to others... Don't let your emotions get the best of you when
you're stressed out...


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*



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uuh...

>IF THIS LIST DOES NOT SHAPE UP THERE IS SERIOUS JEOPARDY OF LEGAL 
>ACTION!!!!!!

What kind of legal action are you talking about?

>GET A FUCKING CLUE PEOPLE!!

That's a bad ass board game! The movie was cool too...

xotis/spree/dilbert(to some)

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> Maybe halfway between Kentucky and Detroit? We'll see.

wow! that means ohio! =D i'm voting for that option.

-elias


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plug is luke vibert, also known as wagon christ.
god forbid it be de la soul...

-> shonuff/sidestep


On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:54:05 EST DaS fLuX <DaSfLuX@aol.com> writes:
>I was talking to a friend the other day and he suggested that Plug, 
>the
>experimental crazy badass jungle producer (pick his shit up, if you 
>can find
>it) is actually members of DeLa Soul!!! I thought it absurd at first 
>but then
>I realized that De La Soul always refers to themselves as Plugs 1,2 & 
>3. Does
>anyone on the list have a definite answer? because that some wierd 
>shit if it
>is De La Soul
>ok peace
>             Doug (dize)
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KNOLL LIKED THIS:

>Artist: The Odd Toot
>Title: Bampot
>Label: Shadow (SDW037-2)

ok, i -must- chime in here with overwhelming agreement!  the odd toot is
quite possily one of the most innovative musik makers to come out in a
while.  its not innovative like noise style, its really good musik. 
musik to chill to, smoke herb to (i like doing this alot!), musik to
shake your ass too...  its all good for all things...  ive played it for
junglists, acid heads, trance fiends, and house mongers and pretty much
-every- one either loved it or liked it.

if you dig the odd toot sound, there are a bazillion other things out
there worth picking up.  shadow records has been handling much
distribution for a lot of the more 'experimental' (for lack of a better
word) labels in the u.k., so almost anything new/recent on the shadow or
shadow/electronica label is dope.  here are some of my faves as
suggestions:

-----

James Hardway - "Welcome To The Neon Lounge"
(recordings of substance/shadow)

various - "Ultrasound" (hospital records/shadow)

various - "Joint Ventures" (shadow)

Nostramus - "Earthlights" <--- my current fave musik!!!
(recordings of substance/shadow)

various - "Rhythmical Skunk Abuse"
mixed by Nick Ponds (recordings of substance/shadow)

various - "State Of The Nu-Art" (shadow)

-----

these are all dope albums/compilations that definitely are worthy of the
money you spend on them.  all of it is of the breakbeat/hip.hop genre.  i
know thats a pretty broad category (it really is, ya know), but if you
dig drum.n.bass, jungle, jazz, classical, hip.hop, and trip.hop any or
all of these titles will surely satisfy you and your appreciation of
-QUALITY- musik...

. . . e n j o y . . .

-> shonuff/sidestep


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is there a list or newsgroup that can answer any of the questions below?

-----

im looking for some info on music equipment.

what should i look to get if im going to be producing hard tekno?

what are some good samplers?

is there a program for the computer(or just a machine) that you can
assign a certain sound to something and set up the beats and sounds
visually?

what keyboards/equipment are good to use to make sounds?

thanks

derik

please reply personally.


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i'm sorry people are treating you like such shit. everyone on this list has
faced it at one time or another, you just need to take it with a grain of
salt. i'm pretty sure no one really wants to fight you or beat you up. it's
just that a lot of the people on this list (especially the "old-school
ravers", for lack of a better term) are pretty set in their ways and they
want the mw scene to stay the same as it was when they first started going
to raves. (plus they are big elitist meanies! ;) ) that means they don't
want phat pants contests or politicians (especially the president!)
representing at parties. and really, if you try to look at it from their
point of view, they do have a point; maybe not a very well communicated
point, but a point, nonetheless: raves are supposed to be about the music
and, unfortunately, they are very quickly turning away from that. an event
like yours will only accelerate the process. operation above ground, as much
good as you might think it will do, only promises to make a mockery out of a
scene that a lot of people have worked really hard to create. cowboys, talk
show hosts and prostitutes should not be invited to a massive circus (which
is basically what operation above ground boils down to) to have blow pop
licking contests and test their ecstasy pills in the first place, but when
you start calling it a rave i think it's just a slap in the face to the
dedicated people who have put a lot into building this scene. try to put
yourself in their shoes--they've worked for years to build something that
really matters to them, and other people are coming along and standing on
their shoulders, not to help the scene progress in a positive way, but to
make money in shady ways for their personal benefit. you would be upset too.

maybe what you should try, if you want to make a positive difference, is
throwing some small parties in your home town at a reasonable price. invite
all the accountants, teachers and golfers (amateur AND pro ;) ) that you
want, give mad discounts to handicapped people and people over 40, have
prayer/meditation sessions and drum circles, and, by all means, do what you
can to book jeff mills! ;) these are the kinds of parties that "the world
needs to to survive these dark days ahead," not huge productions like
operation above ground or dancemania. i think the shoulders you're standing
on would be a lot more receptive, even--dare i say--supportive! of this kind
of event than they are of a huge production like operation above ground.

rebecca.

ps--*this* is how to get your point across, people. it called civilized
conversation. try it sometime; i think you'll find it works a lot better
than senseless bitching or threatening people's lives.


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hahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha ha      ha
ha         ha        ha ha           ha      ha
ahahahahah hahahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahaha
ha         ha        ha           ha     ha
hahahahaha ha        ha hahahahahaha     ha

This is some of the funniest shit I've read on here for ever, thank you jacob.

*laughing uncontrollably*

earache.

ps. Someone forwarded me this URL and said it was a pic of jacob:


http://www.harfst.de/rautakan/Wiz_-_portrait.JPG

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At 01:08 PM 3/3/98 -0600, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
>I swear to god...i hate this goddamn list and I will never talk to anybody
>again and you all suck and jesus christ i dunno wut the hell i am doing
>writing you this email cuz i should just quit posting to this list at all.

WHAT?! WHAT ABOUT PLUR!? *cry* *sob*
hehe...just kidding.

anyways...
.lotek
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>ps--*this* is how to get your point across, people. it called civilized
>conversation. try it sometime; i think you'll find it works a lot better
>than senseless bitching or threatening people's lives.

but it's so much less fun :) phear my grammar. 
long live dan doormouse.  


.lotek
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>Anyone know whats up with Chernobyl Farms??? Cosmik Cupid and Phuture
>Phunk didn't go off and they've postponed the rest of their parties.
>Anyone in mpls more in the know about wassup here???

they cant afford the insurance policy that the space owner is now
requiring by promoters (after a bazillion parties have happened there),
so theeyre looking for  new space(s).

or something along those lines...

-> shonuff/sidestep

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normally i wouldnt include a post to which im simply saying "right on!"
to, but this one has got to be one of the most intelligent, eloquent, and
down right on the  mark posts to grace this list in quite some time. 
good job, craig.  not only on using the english language properly, but
for using it for a good...  cuase.  (for lack of a better word/term).

if you all didnt read it before, go and do so now.  its at the bottom of
this...

-> shonuff/sidesstep

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:19:56 -0600 (CST) archon@execpc.com writes:
>You know, I was originally going to reply to Mikhail's post and
>explain while (hopefully) very few of us on this mailing list would be
>interested, there are still many more out there who just don't know.
>They're new to what's going on, they don't have the context from
>which to draw upon.  
>
>Mikhail:
>
>> You know....my first reaction when i read that supid announcement
>> was to laff my ass off.
>
>Well, I did and then I also knew there would be people, like this
>Tamster person of whom I'll address later, who would think that this
>would be a great time.  Or have their doubts but go anyway. Or
>whatever.
>
>> I mean COME ON! If the guy is so stupid why wont u just laff it off
>> and won't go. (...) That guy jes doesnt have his shit together but
>> you cant critisize someone for trying.
>
>Umm... yes, I can.
>
>Are we all supposed to either just participate willingly or shut up?
>Go, and as I have been reading lately in many people's posts, "try
>to have the best time possible no matter what the circumstances"?
>
>How do things change?  How can problems be addressed unless and
>until enough people even point out there _are_ problems?  Does this
>"family" and "culture" concept have any meaning outside of some crap
>you read on a flyer?
>
>I'd want to look out for my family.  I'd want to protect my culture.
>I care.  I'm concerned.  I have a forum for which to voice my
>concerns, and I'm going to use it at every opportunity, else why
>even have it at all.
>
>I've been thinking about this ever since I went to "Fuel" in Chicago
>two weeks ago.  My friend and I thought the thing was possibly one
>of the worst parties we've ever been to.  Probably one of the worst
>spaces anywhere, overlit, overpriced, with abyssmal heavily distorted 
>sound, so-so music and a low-turnout of mostly cracked out high
>school kids who seemed more interested in showing everyone how tough
>they were or how big they could dance than pretty much anything else
>(including dancing to the beat, but that's another topic).
>
>But from reading the reviews here, that thing was the bomb.  Music
>was so great, blah-blah.  Kids were so great, blah-blah.  Sound was
>so good, blah-blah.
>
>Were we at the same party?
>
>Yes.. and here's the first part of my point.  Perspective.
>
>To them, maybe it was great.  They did like the music.  The
>production values (or lack thereof) didn't bother them.  They
>thought the other people there were groovy.  I don't know.
>
>In my opinion, they lack context.  Perspective.
>
>Not to go off on some old-school rant, but they don't know any
>better.  What do they have to compare it against?  A dozen other
>half-assed overpriced midwest parties with shitty music, shitty
>vibe, and shady promotion and production?
>
>People wonder (sometimes loudly :) why a lot of us older people
>bitch so much.  Well, we've seen and been to, and for some of us,
>done better.  MUCH better.
>
>And to us, Fuel sucked.  Royally.
>
>So, IMO, will IndepenDance.  So will this thing in Illinois.  That
>is, if either will ever get off the ground.
>
>Tamster:
>
>> I don't understand why everyone is so negative about this party.  
>They'll
>> never accomplish all of their objectives, but I like the idea.
>
>You like the idea of what, a camping party?  Support Furthur.  Go to
>Family Affair.  Or if JJ gets his ducks in a row, IO4 (or whatever 
>it's
>going to be called).  
>
>I like the "idea" of listening to techno.  I'm not going to a biker
>bar to do it just in case one miraculously decides to advertise a
>rave night.  No.  There are limits.  There is, like I said before, a
>perspective that I and many others share about what constitutes a
>good party atmosphere... or a good promoter that I'd care to
>support.
>
>Neither of these two conditions being met in Illinois on that
>weekend.
>
>> I don't live, eat, and breathe this scene like some people.  I've 
>got a "real"
>> job and a "real" life with some "mainstream" friends that are into 
>the ideas
>> of PLUR and enjoy the music, but feel intimidated by the young, 
>"hipper
>> than thou" crowd that permeates the scene.  A party like this is a 
>good
>> way to show them what the PLURy people want it to be all about.  
>
>Hmm.
>
>Okay I'll cast aside your thinly-veiled condescension and hypocricy
>for now and focus instead on my second point.  Culture.  "A party
>like this is a good _way to show them what the PLURy people want it
>to be all about_." 
>
>Indeed.
>
>So even you agree that in any real "culture", if this is indeed a
>culture of ours, that there is a need to educate.  Webster
>sub-defines culture as "the act of developing the intellectual and
>moral facultires especially by education."
>
>Hey, that word again.  Education.  So if this is important to a
>culture... if this is, as I believe, something that's critical for
>any culture's continued health, why do we as ravers on a whole or
>even mw-ravers as a select group choose to ignore it?  Even treat it
>with animosity?
>
>Seeing a relation to what I was saying before?  This old-school
>"thing"?  There is a "culture" to this whole rave thing.  There's a
>big turnover of people, too.  People come, stay, get burned out...
>leave.  
>
>Each "generation doesn't care what the people did before them,
>doesn't want to listen to what anuone who's been around has to tell
>them (or earnestly, try to teach them), and is perfecly content on
>reinventing the wheel each time.  
>
>Fucking up and making mistakes along the way.. naturally.
>
>But the problem is, they don't operate in a vacuum.  They work
>within this larger... context.  A larger scene.  And each time
>they screw up a party, each time they piss off a space owner or a
>country sheriff, each time they write on a public mailing list about
>how good the E was at the last party they went to, each time they
>raise the ante and make parties that much bigger, that much more
>overhyped/underdeveloped/overpriced, they turn off that many more
>people... both inside the scene and out.  Permanently.
>
>
>	"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the
>	society but the people themsleves; and if we think them not
>	enlightened enough to exercise their control with a
>	wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them
>	but to inform their discretion."
>					-- Thomas Jefferson
>
>In this "society" of ours, we have the power.  To support those 
>events,
>organizations and artists that we feel properly represent our
>perspective... and hopefully, continue to enrich and extend our
>culture.  There are people out there who will try to take this from
>us, repackage and resell it to not only us but the widest audience
>possible.
>
>Don't let them do it.  Stand up for what you believe in, how you
>think things should be done... inform, educate... and yes, learn.
>
>
>
>- Craig
>

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chrise said, in regards to pure/wpcm admission prices:

>what family feeling?  more like an exclusive club feeling.  a 
>membership
>card.  the cyber-elite. what about people who don't have a computer?  
>are
>they to be penalized for not being part of the "computer family?"  
>They pay
>$3 more because they don't have the opportunity to put their address 
>on
>your mailing list?  

while i cant really say whether i agree one way or the other, chris - you
should chill a bit.  i remember when you were mister happy love vibe. 
now youre just a grumpy old man.  relax and quit taking things so
personally...

-> shonuff/sidestep

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> At 03:10 PM 3/3/98 -0600, Oberle, Michelle wrote:
> >Ok,  ever since I moved up to Missouri in September, I have noticed
> >something out of the ordinary.  Is there some cosmic relationship
> >between the MW and Texas?   I know people who've moved back and forth
> >between the two, myself included.  I find this quite interestingly
> >bizarre.  
> 
> I moved to the MW from TX.  Remember that TX is a very transititory state.
> Unless you were born there, you tend not to stay there.

I'm going ta texas for spring break.
Of course, I'm guided more by my rowing team than by the cosmic 
mw-texas rift.
Still tho...
      e Y8b      888                            888      
     d8b Y8b     888   ,e e,    Y8b Y8Y         888      
    d888b Y8b    888  d88 88b    Y8b Y          888      
   d888888888b   888  888   ,   e Y8b        e  88P  d8b 
  d8888888b Y8b  888   "YeeP"  d8b Y8b      "8",P'   Y8P                  
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> some guy gave me a little black card that said "fuck the whole potato" 
> on it.  then it said april 11th.  is this a party?  Can someone give me 
> some info on this, please
> thanks, peace
> Jesse
World record attempt.
Largest simultaneous potato fuck ever.
Should be killer.




      e Y8b      888                            888      
     d8b Y8b     888   ,e e,    Y8b Y8Y         888      
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yo...i jes came up wiff something to do...lets all submit the nastiest
sickest abreviations of PLUR u can come up with (aside pease love unity
and that other nasty shit:)

how about i start? PLUR = piss lightly upon raves?

MIkhail


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ok.  i saw that plug about Plug and De La Soul and i couldn't resist to
"plug" again....

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
De La Soul 
w/ Midwest Avengers

next Tuesday, March 10, 1998

D.O.  7 pm
Midwest Avengers  7:30 - 8:30 pm
De La Soul  9 - 11 pm

Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville
Edwardsville, IL  
(20 minutes east of St. Louis)

Tix $12.00 General Public
available at SIUE's Union Station, in the University Center


for more info, call me or email me.  numbers and addy below...


piece--
ajia
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Pussy Luvin' Ugly Ragamuffin

Craig/xotis
PS: Props to zoki for help on this one :-)

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From: Mikhail Khaimov <mk9@evansville.edu>
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I jes thought of something...

Why dont we change our PLUR motto a lil bit to something else

Sex, Love, Unity, Respect, Peace...yes u got it right ...

SLURP

or we can change it to Sex, Love, Unity, Techno

SLUT


pick one 


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HEY!... I like Pig Face!

http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/ef

http://members.tripod.com/~g13/420
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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:41:38 -0500 (EST) randy <johnsonl@marietta.edu>
writes:

>its all business to him. he honestly doesn't give a fuck about the 
>'scene'
>or make any attempt to further it in any way. all he does is go to 
>parties
>to pawn off his $10 mixtapes and mix-cds and to flyer for "Get
>Ripped-Off" or whatever the next "C.O.K. Midwest" extravaganza is
>entitled. the amount of money he makes off of his parties is 
>disgusting;

>     randy / pr0zac

i can very strongly agree with you here, my friend.  wilhelm is known to
MANY of us as what i would like to call a fatty ha-ha, schiesty, selfish,
loud mouth, pig face, percolator spinnin', shit talkin', bad vibe
throwin', no talent dj/promoter.  i'm sure that there are many other
adjectives that i could use to describe the pathetic waste of flesh that
wilhelm is, but i simply don't have the time.  

	XOXO, 
	  PRUGH ;)

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Whaddaya know- I'm gonna be writing for Massive next issue too.
Many people wrote to assure me that you really are a nice guy; although I
gotta admit that wasn't my  initial impression.  I guess literature 
really does provide a common ground (doesn't fishead write for Massive
also?).  In regards to all the poop flyin' between us, I hope you didn't
take it too personally.  In the words of Edgar Allen Poe, "nemo me
impune son lacessit" (no one attacks me with impunity) =O
Russ


On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, dj noahphex wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, dj fishead wrote:
> 
> > Noah's just about the friendliest guy I can recall meeting.... he's just
> > pissing in the wind here... the drops are falling where they may, so
> > don't feel singled out 'cause one of 'em hit you...
> 
> Hahah thanks man. Lovely Fisheead eloquence...BTW
> I'm writing for Massive now. My shit should be in the next
> issue.
> 
> 		    dj noahphex   ::  noahphex@hardcorps.org
> 				aka. muppetfucker
> 			http://www.hardcorps.org/noahphex
> 			Voice Mail: 1 - 512 - 703 - 8901
> 			Happy Hardcore Mailing List Owner
> 		  THUGS: Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad 
> 


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Sorry to post this to the list but I deleted toastman's email address..

here is the real audio file for Noah's new tape


http://www.hardcorps.org/noahphex/blast.ram

thanks
Jenni/Efron


Jennifer Palmer
Texas Hardcorps - Austin, Texas
Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad - Austin, Texas
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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> yo...i jes came up wiff something to do...lets all submit the nastiest
> sickest abreviations of PLUR u can come up with (aside pease love unity
> and that other nasty shit:)
> 
> how about i start? PLUR = piss lightly upon raves?
> 
> MIkhail
> 

My personal favorite is "People Lost in Unattainable Realities".
PLUR,
Russ


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I am unsubbing, as I no longer can seem to find information on music or
parties on here anymore. Let me know when, if ever, this list gets back
to an occasional post related to REAL midwestern rave parties. Thank
you, Venn

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No comment. ;) Well just this one

Pay Lots->Unpleasant Results


love yas
Nathaniel


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just a test cus the last 3 letters that i've sent to mw-raves have not gone
through.=20


- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



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> ps. Someone forwarded me this URL and said it was a pic of jacob:
> 
> 
> http://www.harfst.de/rautakan/Wiz_-_portrait.JPG

Cut it out, you're killin' me over here.

OH, My god! This dude is funny lookin.

onelove.
noble



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oh my goodness!
that is the ugliest person on earth.


cept me!


haha

love
josh
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~joshual/josh4.jpg


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maybe I'm wrong.

so sue me

j/k
love
josh

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, . xotis . wrote:

> Pussy Luvin' Ugly Ragamuffin
> 
> Craig/xotis
> PS: Props to zoki for help on this one :-)
> 
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Sorry that this is so late but my last 3 emails have been somehow filtered
from mw-raves.  and my computer was broken this weekend. =20

here is my review of Live on the Decks

price: 	$20 + $3 parking
location: rout 66 skating rink, chicago
sound: 	loud, many speakers
lighting: blew goat nads... at points i thought that
	it was day time... and they were often times
	in my eyes.. blah.  and synthetic fog machines
	always make my lungs feel like they are gonna
	fail me.
talent: (spelling?)Nigel Richards was really really
	enjoyable.  loved his set, a real crowd
	pleaser he was.  DJ Funk was kind of mainstream
	but his bass was very large, just like the
	booty in his trax.. loud mainstream booty.
	acidscouts: live pa?  hmm, not very live.
	other dj's played some good some bad.
security:  police in effect, didn't give me any trouble.
dancing and other fun stuff: =20
	battled with a girl in a red hat durring richards'=20
	set it was mad fun, hope to meet up again.
 	i didn't really start having fun until atomic babies
	came on(3am?),,, unless you count the 20 min that
	i spent playing Capcom's Marvel Heros VS Street
	Fighter.  met doris from detroit, she gave me
	a dum dum, (YummY!!) and saw some other kids
	from the list (animal) and from NU.  =09
=09
the promoter was kind of anoying, always telling us to
make some fucking noise and to get up and fuking dance

- lion gv / grover
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion/
- lotek / acid / drone
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- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



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plur = Puss-filled , Limecolored  Unatural  Rectum

peace 
doug


PS sloppy joes are good mmmmmmmmmmmmm sloppy joes!!!!!!!!!

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In a message dated 98-03-03 17:23:56 EST, you write:

> did he say funky butt loving?
>  
>  I don't even know how that got into my rotation of senseless fun phrases.
>  i asked that before, and got a reply, but i forgot the movie.
>  

The movie could only be, ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

god how that movie sux, but that is a funny quote

peace
Doug (dize)

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THe now-lurking Luis scurries out from his music-nerd habitat to say:

	I prefer SLURP, 'cause it includes Respect and Peace, as much as
SLUT sounds better. (Freudian whip?)

Luis

> Why dont we change our PLUR motto a lil bit to something else
> 
> Sex, Love, Unity, Respect, Peace...yes u got it right ...
> 
> SLURP
> 
> or we can change it to Sex, Love, Unity, Techno
> 
> SLUT
> 
> 
> pick one 
> 


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Hmmm, what can I say.  There's got to be some good left in the scene.  *sigh*
I'm all for non-party people going to raves..cuz that's how they were back in
the day.  I saw people of all walks of life.  And I was a Medusa goin' /new
waver/industrial music hearing chick.  For those who remember far back as
"Jif" in Chicago, know what fuck I'm talking about.  That's how it should be
'cept for the different changes in the music.  

I too go to raves 'for musical content' and even that isn't exactly what I
want.  I don't get to hear what I want to hear...well rave never promised us a
'rose garden'.

G.

"let the music seep in your pores and let it pulse through your blood
stream...open up to it!" --me

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i wanna be a slurp slut

At 10:05 PM 3/3/98 -0500, Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote:
>
>
>THe now-lurking Luis scurries out from his music-nerd habitat to say:
>
>	I prefer SLURP, 'cause it includes Respect and Peace, as much as
>SLUT sounds better. (Freudian whip?)
>
>Luis
>
>> Why dont we change our PLUR motto a lil bit to something else
>>=20
>> Sex, Love, Unity, Respect, Peace...yes u got it right ...
>>=20
>> SLURP
>>=20
>> or we can change it to Sex, Love, Unity, Techno
>>=20
>> SLUT
>>=20
>>=20
>> pick one=20
>>=20
>
>
>
- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



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...and at one point it was ghetto booty tracks in one room...and rap/hip hop
in the other room. Well.. so is this what thr "rave" seen is going
towards??!?! Oh wow!! I don't know what to think about what's going on... I
have no real comment except that if I have to.. I will breakdance again..
hoooooha! The renegade of funk plays that beat and makes the planet rock!! 

Phil

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just kidding!

you must watch lots of movies.
i listen to too much music, and somehow i see every commercial in
existance, but very little TV.  weird huh?

love
josh

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, DaS fLuX wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-03 17:23:56 EST, you write:
> 
> > did he say funky butt loving?
> >  
> >  I don't even know how that got into my rotation of senseless fun phrases.
> >  i asked that before, and got a reply, but i forgot the movie.
> >  
> 
> The movie could only be, ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> god how that movie sux, but that is a funny quote
> 
> peace
> Doug (dize)
> 


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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, PHILFART wrote:

> ...and at one point it was ghetto booty tracks in one room...and rap/hip hop
> in the other room. Well.. so is this what thr "rave" seen is going
> towards??!?! Oh wow!! I don't know what to think about what's going on... I
> have no real comment except that if I have to.. I will breakdance again..
> hoooooha! The renegade of funk plays that beat and makes the planet rock!! 
> 
> Phil
> 
ummm not that this is of any importance, but i think what you are talkin
about is the (relative) beginning of the party (around midnite-ish).  they
were still setting up the second room while dj funk was playing so they
were just playing tapes.  at that point the second room confused the hell
outta me too, because i walked in and somebody was playing jungle.  then i
walked in 10 minutes later and sombody was playing gabber.  then i walked
in 10 minutes later and somebody was playing hip-hop.  that's when i
realized that there wasn't a dj up there.  so i think all the rave scene
is going towards is people playing strange tapes while takin their time to
set up.  
**doris**  


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For those of you that like Roni 'I am not a rock star' Size, he is going
to be on MTV Live tomorrow at 6:00 PM Eastern time.

It'll be amusing to hear that annoying VJ pretend to know something about
that new "Drum and Bass" sound that Roni has pioneered completely by himself.   

Adam Meadows


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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, lion gv wrote:

> the promoter was kind of anoying, always telling us to
> make some fucking noise and to get up and fuking dance

My interpetation of this was some what diffrent.  The crowd was kind of
annoying, just sitting on the floor while so much good music was being
played.  With the exception of Emerald city 2 and Blizzard....I have not
been to a chicago party in 6 months where the crowd seemed to be
energized.  Its kind of weird.  The only time the floor was jumping at
live on the decks was during funks set.  And it was the only horrid set of
the night.

Someon please explain to me the genius of funk.  Doesn't the fact that he
train wrecks on an average of 6 times a set, not to mention he just can't
mix the rest of time either bother people?  or is it part of the ghetto
experince? Ghetto mixing!

other then that tha party was fine.  I didn't like route 66 and the setup
was very standard...no theme...no special production...which I think is
needed once your party hits that 20 dollar mark.  But it was still a fun
party. and the music most of the time was really good.  NIGEL ROCKS!!!!!

The boogie tribe are off to a decent start for being such a new crew
taking on such big events....my props go out to them.

but funk is still a bad joke.

-dan



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drop bass
mushgroove
future forces
vibeonauts
pure
dubshack
bigger and bolder 
cbs
superstars of love

need i name MORE promoters who dont owe...
owing money is like stealing when you wont to 
pay. these are REAL business people.

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i just hit "D" about 100 times.

that's the simplest way i've found to deal with these mw-rave bubbles.

if it sounds as if i just want to shut everyone out, well maybe i do.  in
my experience, reactionary messages don't teach me very much.  real
communication and dialogue usually does.

sorry, that's all i got today.

++
e d



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> JEFF GAGE, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, I STRONLGY RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHUT 
> DOWN THIS LIST FOR A BREATHER AND A TIME TO REFOCUS AND REMEMBER THAT 
> THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION FOR A "RAVE" CAREER OR PROMOTION!!!!!

Fuck that. I'm not your dad. 

People, please. Discussion is fine, way different opinions on just about
everything is fine, personal attacks, holy flamewars, and all the rest are
not fine. If you're pissed at everybody and everything on this list, take
it upon yourself to take some time off and chill out. I don't want to have
to force people.

I want people to get along, or at least discuss civilly. I don't want to
have to enforce rules of conduct. Let's be a bit mature, shall we? Just
take thirty seconds. Close your eyes. Breathe deep. Remember your first
rave. Or your best rave. How did you feel that night? Something made you
come back. Think about why you went back, why you're here today, what
raves mean to you, what the music means to you. Now ask yourself, are you
looking for fighting, backstabbing, slander and hair pulling in rave
community, or is it something else, something higher?

This ain't the school playground. Nobody has to win, nobody has to come
out on top. Let's all take a second to relax, think about what we can
achieve when we work together, and maybe move in that direction instead of
this pointless, damaging infighting. There's enough people fighting
against us and our various lifestyles. Do we really need to fight each
other?


Think. It's that easy.


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 04 04:36:28 1998
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here are some news groups:

alt.music.makers.electronic
alt.music.makers.sampling

also try out: 

www.dancetech.com
www.sonicstate.com

hope this helps



AC


On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, cloud wrote:

> is there a list or newsgroup that can answer any of the questions below?
> 
> -----
> 
> im looking for some info on music equipment.
> 
> what should i look to get if im going to be producing hard tekno?
> 
> what are some good samplers?
> 
> is there a program for the computer(or just a machine) that you can
> assign a certain sound to something and set up the beats and sounds
> visually?
> 
> what keyboards/equipment are good to use to make sounds?
> 
> thanks
> 
> derik
> 
> please reply personally.
> 


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word.

there was good even in darth vader. :)


Josh wrote:
> 
> Good point chris.  I've lived in the midwest all my life, and now I go to
> one of the top music schools in the country.  I love the midwest, but I'm
> stuck in LA (because I love this school, and face it you can't really get
> into music in the midwest as easily as here).  I've noticed this about the
> just passing "alternitive" scene.  The philosiphy was "fuck
> commercialism," not "fuck everyone that wasn't here since I was."  Now, i
> see the exact same thing with the "rave scene."  Please kids, don't do the
> same thing the past generations have done.  What happened to PLUR?  We
> remember what it means right?  I don't mean Peace Love ....  I mean what
> it REALLY means.  It's the whole reason I identify myself with the rave
> culture, and I'd hate to see it shit on like that.
> Please pardon me, if I may seem hippocritical (due to previous posts)  I
> try to be my normal positive loving self, but I may have been tired and
> posted some crap I don't believe, but was too tired to realize it (i know
> that may not make sense but sometimes I don't thourghly think out my
> thesis and supporting argument).  I hate negitivity.  My 5th grade teacher
> told us an anology about dipping in ppl's buckets.  It was about making
> ourselfs feel good by putting others down (dipping in their bucket and
> putting it in ours).  I think this relates.  The negitivity is zapping
> ppl's NRG (i know it's eating away at mine).
> I'm going to wrap this up because I'll start to ramble on about my
> philosophy.
> Summery:  We're headed the same way other generations have (most resently
> the alternitive era),  let's actually be different this time and not
> self-destruct.
> 
> Love
> josh
> 
> PS I'm overflowing with Pos NRG currently.  I'm meeting all kinds of cool
> ppl, and it makes me happy.  :-)

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HERE's a letter written to my "Dear Animal" column.



Dear animal,
I have a non- raver friend who says plur(peace, love, unity, respect) is 
fake and all the love ravers have for each other is also fake.

What should I tell him?

Rave love,
Hello Kitty Karen


Dear Kitty,

Ditch that friend like yesterdays' garbage. Why do you have a non-raver 
friend anyway?!!  That's your first problem.  Your second problem is 
your face, but that wasn't part of your question.

You know that plur is real and it's mean something to you. That's all 
that matters.  Your friend isn't a  raver. He is living in some fantasy 
world of working, school, beer and the spice girls. Kids like you and I 
can't comprehend this lifestyle of filth.  Your friend is headed towards 
a black hole of  responsibilities and dinner parties.

Until he wakes up, don't waste your time.  He's probably home right now 
watching back-to-back episodes of Party of Five. 

PLUR,
Animal







DaS fLuX wrote:
> 
> plur = Puss-filled , Limecolored  Unatural  Rectum
> 
> peace
> doug
> 
> PS sloppy joes are good mmmmmmmmmmmmm sloppy joes!!!!!!!!!

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March 10 is Tibetan Independance Day.  Fly a Tibetan flag for Tibetan
independance.  Is anyone familure with this subject?  

visit  http://www.tibet.org  or
http://www.milarepa.org
 
to find out more because there's no way I could begin to explain the crap
going on.  Basic human rights are being denied, people are being tortured
and held captive.  I don't want to discuss too much because I don't want
to misinform anyone and I've used up bandwith.  I thought that y'all would
be the few that cared out of everyone I know.


love
josh


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HER COMPANY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS!
when you pay her a deposit, you pay it to her, in her name.
it's both parties who are resonsible.

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paradyme@lotek.org wrote:

> but it's so much less fun :) phear my grammar.
> long live dan doormouse.

amen to that!

"I'll tell you, in the time it takes to bake a potato you can turn a
sleeping friend's open mouth into a mess of blood, broken teeth and
open, sore nerve endings, all while enjoying the pleasurable thought
that you can't tell the difference between the puss leaking out the side
of your obnoxiously fat dillpole heatseaking missile and the cum
dripping down the side of your little pal's eyes"... -doormouse

yum.

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i know people who've thrown away a lot more than this 
on lesser drugs than i hear she's been dealing with...

from very reputable sources.

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Does anyone know for certain whether there is a postive thursday party for
this thursday?
I think there is but I'm not sure.... info is appreaciated as always.

Lata
.t.j.:.t.r.i.g.g.e.r.h.i.p.p.i.e.

np: Phantom 45  THINK TWICE


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....it's a funny thing. don't ask me why, but all this time we've been
*ahem* debating shit at each other, i somehow knew it wouldn't be long
until we found complete agreement!
    werd StevenJ. couldn't have said it better myself. although even if
i were able to, i'd be hesitant to do so in light of the current spackin
factor around here. everyone seems a bit on the chiller side today.
that's good.

peace,
-aRNO

Steven J. White wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Josh wrote:
> 
> > Elmo is rave related because he is a popular rave toy, south park because
> > it's a part of the rave culture. promoters are absolutly a part of the
> > rave scene.   religion is not because everyone's ideas
> > are so spread out, and fights always break out.
> 
> Sorry, but this doesn't work either.  Peoples' idea about EVERYthing are
> spread out.  I'mnot arguing that we shouldn't talk about promoters on
> this list, but I'll bet my takke on the 'job' of a promoter is quite a
> bit different than a lot of people on this list.
> 
> The reason people don't want to discuss religiong here is that it is a
> painful subject, as is politics and social theory.  But IMHO just about
> everything is a painful subject when you talk about it enough.  I get the
> impression from the posts from people re: religiong on the list thaat all
> they want from the mw-raves list is smiles, hugs and reviews about
> parties telling us which promoter to avoid (like anyone ever takes this
> sort of advice anyway).
> 
> As for religious debate on this list I think that if people can keep the
> personal jabs out of the fray then why not talk about it?  Or worse yet,
> if people start screaming at list members for being evil and they're all
> going to hell; this sort of talk should go private, off the list.
> Besides, as far as a lot of religious thought is concerned, we all are
> going to hell.
> 
> > ps grind pants and E is a part of the culture as well, like it or not.
> 
> True, but I don't want to talk about it and I don't want to read it.  But
> if you want to post about it, by all means please do.  And as for South
> Park, how is that 'part of our culture?'
> 
> Steven J                        "Crime will go when capitalism goes.
> http://barkingcat.org/           Speed the day."   - Karl Marx

-- 
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yeah, thats my party piece, standing in the smoke and doing monkey 
impressions, that asking anyone who is there what film it is, 
'Gorilla's in the Mist'.  Suppose you have to be there.

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wilhelm k is different from the other 50% of shady promoters in that he just
does thro shady parties in indy (which i'm sure he fucked up) but all over the
midwest. in fact, i believe last party he thru in springfield,oh , the cops
told
him to not come back to springfield again cause he was being shady.
beyond not doing anything for the scene, he hurts it. i mean its one thing not
furthering the scene, but actively destroying it, well, something has to be
done...



At 01:51 AM 3/2/98 -0500, Husqvarnic wrote:
>In a message dated 3/2/98 1:44:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>johnsonl@marietta.edu writes:
>
>> its all business to him. he honestly doesn't give a fuck about the 'scene'
>>  or make any attempt to further it in any way.
>
>damn, i must say about at least 50% of midwest promoters fill this.. dare i
>say more... i would say in the US as a whole... prolly 75% or more fill that
>all aboutmoney and names... but you can't bitch, you do a party without the
>names, people don't come, do one with the names they come, doesn't take a
>genius to realize that when that much money is on the line you better break
>even, so get the names to do it.. really can't bitch at the promoters, people
>only support the names... is kinda sad
>
>paul
> 

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We must never be bitter.

If we indulge in hate,
the new order
will only be the old order.

We must meet hate
with love,
physical force
with soul force.

Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.


love
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this was sent to me direct from wilhelm k.  

--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
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what's up punk
this is wilhelm k your a bitch say what you gotta say to my face and see
me
knock  your fukin teeth down your throat with my "fatty ha-ha" fist.
playahata.

yours dis respectfully
wilhelm k

--------- End forwarded message ----------

what the fuck?  i admit that i was flaming the guy, but this is fucking
ridiculous.  see what kind of person this guy is?  looks like i was
right.

	XOXO,
 	  PRUGH 

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> wilhelm k is different from the other 50% of shady promoters in that he just
> does thro shady parties in indy (which i'm sure he fucked up) but all over the
> midwest. in fact, i believe last party he thru in springfield,oh , the cops
> told
> him to not come back to springfield again cause he was being shady.
> beyond not doing anything for the scene, he hurts it. i mean its one thing not
> furthering the scene, but actively destroying it, well, something has to be
> done...

hrmm funny. i guess that answers the question about why he was basically
black-listed from upstate new york.



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On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, ANIMAL wrote:

> HERE's a letter written to my "Dear Animal" column.
> 
> 
> 
> Dear animal,
> I have a non- raver friend who says plur(peace, love, unity, respect) is 
> fake and all the love ravers have for each other is also fake.
> 
> What should I tell him?
> 
> Rave love,
> Hello Kitty Karen
> 
> 
> Dear Kitty,
> 
> Ditch that friend like yesterdays' garbage. Why do you have a non-raver 
> friend anyway?!!  That's your first problem.  Your second problem is 
> your face, but that wasn't part of your question.
> 
> You know that plur is real and it's mean something to you. That's all 
> that matters.  Your friend isn't a  raver. He is living in some fantasy 
> world of working, school, beer and the spice girls. Kids like you and I 
> can't comprehend this lifestyle of filth.  Your friend is headed towards 
> a black hole of  responsibilities and dinner parties.
> 
> Until he wakes up, don't waste your time.  He's probably home right now 
> watching back-to-back episodes of Party of Five. 
> 
> PLUR,
> Animal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> DaS fLuX wrote:
> > 
> > plur = Puss-filled , Limecolored  Unatural  Rectum
> > 
> > peace
> > doug
> > 
> > PS sloppy joes are good mmmmmmmmmmmmm sloppy joes!!!!!!!!!
> 
> -- 
>                        
>        --------------------------------------
>        animal; don't eat me, i have feelings. 
>        --------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 



HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LIKE PARTY OF FIVE! *whatever the fuck that is...just
thought i would sai it out of stupidity*

Anyways...most of my friends are non ravers and i am a non raver so fucken
sue me :) I dont believe in PLUR and many people dont believe in PLUR, but
it doesnt mean I am not loving, peaceful, united and respectful. It just
means I dont like using some stupid word to describe my feelings. Its not
about stamping emotions with words (like PLUR) its about having a feeling
and when you know that you dont need to name it in any way, thats when you
know that the feeling is pure. 

So if someone doesnt believe in PLUR doesnt mean shit. 


My .00000002 rubles
Russian mafia bastard


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>what the fuck?  i admit that i was flaming the guy, but this is fucking
>ridiculous.  see what kind of person this guy is?  looks like i was
>right.
>
>	XOXO,
> 	  PRUGH


I dont Know Wilhelm that well but if i heard you saying shit about me to
everyone on this list i wouldnt be to happy about it. Learn  some respect.
If you have someting to say to someone say it to them dont disrespect them
to people you dont even know. Thats just common sense.

Learn to respect people and they will respect you!!!!!!!

Doug Holmes



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on sense...
	aight, as for a yet unproven name. does that mean you 
	haven't had experience throwing parties ? If so you might
	wanna rethink wut you are actually getting yourself into
	i gno family affair was big, and i also know that the people
	who invested time and money into it were not lacking in
	the experience area. and i'm sure they had some difficulties.
	as for the business aspect... Its prolly not a good idea to
	be asking complete strangers to invest in your party. It is 
	also not a good idea throw a party of such magnitude on 
	the same weekend as alot of other parties, organized by 
	more experienced promoters. Not only will you be splitting
	people that are most likely to come ('ravers' ; person that 
 	goes to parties ), but you could be angering people that
	have already announced plans for that weekend in your 
	area as well as discourage them from ever considering
	investing in any of your events, or supporting them.
	the only thing that might save you business wise is the
	group of people you are targeting, those that might not	
	be attending a party that weekend, and that have quite
	possibly never expericenced a party, we'll look at that
	shortly.

on purpose...
	operation above ground huh ? well lets evaluate wut you
	are 1) trying to do, and 2) WHY things are the way they
	are. 
	
	my impression is that you want to expose a 'rave' for wut
	it really is, a fairly innocent music event with a bit of culture
	( or however you want to define it ), to the masses. why ?

	i'm not positively sure that 'regular people', having no previous
	experiences with the music, the environment, attitude, etc

	will benifit from this type of exposure. I don't see it having a 
	positive influence on peoples views of parties. lets look at why.


.why

	    people are different. you can break people into groups. now
	    we can break people into groups by age, sex, religion, etc.
	    from this we can formulate how these groups might interact
	    with each other.

	    now ravers & truckers & cowboys & families & bikers & g'z 
	    & punks & goths & wuteva other way you wanna break things
	    into groups, prolly aren't going to get along as well as you might
	    like. for one they all have some conflicting viewpoints, they all
	    break other people into groups (almost everyone does ), they all 
        have different backgrounds, they all have differrent musical tastes, 
	    they all have different ideas of entertainment, among other things. 
       I can easily see fights, arguements, a general lack of a vibe, stuff
        i wouldn't see at the type of party i am used 2.

	    now the reason why people at parties tend to get along is because
        they share some similarities, maybe not alot, but probably more
        than the groups of people i just touched on. Another very very 
        important reason may be that they have had some exposure to the
        underground, and they know wut that particular underground finds
        acceptable.  Now i'm not gonna elaborate on wut is acceptable and
         wut isn't, but i'm sure we could all agree on a few things. 

        so wut happens when people who haven't been exposed to the 

        underground get together... well they become that underground	
	    because there is no one there to mold / show / wuteva, them.
        now, you invite a wide cross-section of people, put them together
        and expect them to be plurry, respectful, wuteva ? I don't think t
        this will work, in fact i think you'll really notice the definition
of 
        underground. These people, these extremely diverse people, will
        most likely act as they would at an other gathering of large people,
        a cross-section of society. Now i dunno about you, but i always 
        thought we cared so much about the scene because it represented
        certain ideals, certain things that are really good, but don't
normally
        work on a large scale, or at least as well. ( if you are familiar
with 
        perhaps parrallel and multi processing, you will prolly,maybe
        understand wut i mean about scaling. ) so wut i'm saying is, while
        your intentions maybe good, (see: road to hell) your plan isnt
necessarily 
        good. Now this is just some stuff that i thought about that you may
or may 
        not have thought about. I hope you will honestly rethink some
things, and
        do some investigation, research and test the feasibility of your idea.
        maybe go observe a group of diverse people um, at um, something that
        they do for fun, be sure to take into account their likelihood of
previous
        exposure to the activities they are doing, as to evaluate their
knowledge
	    of acceptable behavior perhaps. also, a really good source you might
        wanna talk to are some police officers. They regularily deal with
diverse
        groups of people, and can definately give you some insight on how they
        behave when together. another question to ask yourself is this 

            what do you want these people to take with them when they leave.
            how did you aquire these thoughts / feelings ? ( party ? how a
party ?)
		   how is wut you are doing going to accomplish this   AND
            how might it(party) harm it ?

		if you wanna get people to feel the vibe, you gotta ask yourself 'where 
	      does the vibe come from, wut conditions must be met for it to exsist, 
          etc, etc, etc...      

_my_opinion_

its not something everyone likes to do... its not so hard to find that a
determined
person can't find it... the music isn't so owned by the parties that it
can't be found
alone... we don't need to push our ideals upon other people, i never went
to some
huge event with truck drivers and cowboys and families... it didn't find
me, i found 
it. other people have found it. other people can find it.  
it seems to me that it works better when you take a friend who hasn't been
before.
they might do the same... i mean, we don't know everyone that everyone we know
know's... they go, they get the right idea maybe... if they do, they will
prolly share.

if it works out for you, well that's cool. i just don't trust people. 

define underground, raver, etc, etc, as you like
thats the only way to evaulate how you truely 
feel as they have bearing on the correctness 
of my reasoning. ( in your mind at least )
...
| dehuman | 
| dehuman@lotek.org | 
| reality is my teacher |
| http://www.lotek.org/~dehuman |

At 01:51 PM 3/2/98 -0800, jacob feierbaum wrote:

...some crazy shit...

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At 04:43 PM 3/2/98 -0800, jacob feierbaum wrote:
>Ok, people, I'm feeling a lot of IGNORANCE and EGOTISM here, it's really 
>PISSING ME OFF!!!!!! I can't reply to all this bullshit, so lemme reply 
>to a bit of the misplaced criticism.
>
>Craig wrote:
>>I've been thinking about this ever since I went to "Fuel" in Chicago
>>two weeks ago.  My friend and I thought the thing was possibly one
>>of the worst parties we've ever been to.  Probably one of the worst
>>spaces anywhere, overlit, overpriced, with abyssmal heavily distorted 
>>sound, so-so music and a low-turnout of mostly cracked out high
>>school kids who seemed more interested in showing everyone how tough
>>they were or how big they could dance than pretty much anything else
>>(including dancing to the beat, but that's another topic).
>
>>In my opinion, they lack context.  Perspective.
>
>So WHY DID YOU GO TO THE PARTY THEN? If you are so old skool and 
>in-the-know? Obviously you are no better at recommending parties than 
>anyone else!
>>
>>Not to go off on some old-school rant, but they don't know any
>>better.  What do they have to compare it against?  A dozen other
>>half-assed overpriced midwest parties with shitty music, shitty
>>vibe, and shady promotion and production?
>>
>>People wonder (sometimes loudly :) why a lot of us older people
>>bitch so much.  Well, we've seen and been to, and for some of us,
>>done better.  MUCH better.
>>
>>And to us, Fuel sucked.  Royally.
>>
>>So, IMO, will IndepenDance.  So will this thing in Illinois.  That
>>is, if either will ever get off the ground.
>
>WHY?? You have not explained yourself AT ALL. Nor have you tried to make 
>any positive recommendations.
>>
>>You like the idea of what, a camping party?  Support Furthur.  Go to
>>Family Affair.  Or if JJ gets his ducks in a row, IO4 (or whatever it's
>>going to be called). 
>
>WHY NOT SUPORT THEM ALL??? Basically, you are saying no new promoters 
>can throw a party that is worth checking out, support only the old 
>established promoters, blah-blah-blah. Yes, you come off sounding like a 
>bitter old skool raver who is prejudiced against new ideas and new 
>promoters. 
>>
>>I like the "idea" of listening to techno.  I'm not going to a biker
>>bar to do it just in case one miraculously decides to advertise a
>>rave night.  No.  There are limits.  There is, like I said before, a
>>perspective that I and many others share about what constitutes a
>>good party atmosphere... or a good promoter that I'd care to
>>support.
>>
>>Neither of these two conditions being met in Illinois on that
>>weekend.
>
>Which you have again failed to explain.
>
>>> of PLUR and enjoy the music, but feel intimidated by the young, 
>"hipper
>>> than thou" crowd that permeates the scene.
>
>How about the "older than thou, we invented rave and we own the scene" 
>attitude craig seems to hold?
>
>>Okay I'll cast aside your thinly-veiled condescension and hypocricy
>>for now and focus instead on my second point.  Culture.  "A party
>>like this is a good _way to show them what the PLURy people want it
>>to be all about_." 

>>
>>Indeed.
>>
>>So even you agree that in any real "culture", if this is indeed a
>>culture of ours, that there is a need to educate.  Webster
>>sub-defines culture as "the act of developing the intellectual and
>>moral facultires especially by education."
>
>That is exactly what OPERATION ABOVE GROUND IS ABOUT!!!! SO SUPPORT 
>US!!! RAVERS OF THE WORLD, ALL YOU HAVE TO LOSE IS YOUR IGNORANCE AND 
>EGOTISM!!!
>
>Just because you don't know me personally, you are going to flame me and 
>my friends' efforts?? How do you know OPERATION ABOVE GROUND won't be as 
>good as a Furthur party? You don't.
>
>>culture.  There are people out there who will try to take this from
>>us, repackage and resell it to not only us but the widest audience
>>possible.
>
>WHAT"S WRONG WITH THIS???!! EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY THIS!
>>
>>Don't let them do it.  Stand up for what you believe in, how you
>>think things should be done... inform, educate... and yes, learn.
>>- Craig
>
>Craig, you have failed to educate us on anything in this communique, 
>please go back and do better, I know you can do it BUDDY!!!
>
>But PLEASE, lose the elitism and egotism. You didn't invent "rave", and 
>you were a newbie once yourself, so deal with it.
>
>As bad as the flames get, I think most of you will come around and 
>support us. Please try to keep an open mind, your friend, Jake
>
>P.L.U.R. to ALL!
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

haha, i've already told you why it won't work, and i only looked at 
some of the things you've said.

blow pop licking contest's ? phat pant contests ? 
thats wut you want people to think of a party ?

for one, i will not be going, non of my friends will be going, no 
one i know will be going. Why ?  cause it's bullshit. I'm not
going to goto a party that is a billion people to listen to musicians
that i think are better businessmen than artists. I am most 
certianly not going to a party to hang out with groups of people
i don't really enjoying keeping company with. I am most certainly
not going to go support an event of absolutely no value to me.
I will not go and give my money to someone who may or may not
be doing things for the right reason. I am not going to go support
an event that highlights the stupid superficial things that dum ravers
do. Its not about fashion, its not about bullshit phatty pant contests
and blow pop licking contests. in all actuality, i don't really enjoy
keeping the company of those people either. 
AND 
after further thought i have began to question the motives of your
actions. a person throwing an event of this size would stand to
get a lot of money and a lot of coverage... 
as for the nasty things that were said about you before...
if those things are indeed true, not only will you be on my idiot 
list, you will also be placed on my shit list as well as alot of 
other people's shit list. just so you know and understand, i don't 
like bitches. i mean, i really really don't like bitches. i'll all `bout
getting rid of bitches.

i'll leave it at that for now...

dehuman 

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At 05:38 PM 3/2/98 -0800, jacob feierbaum wrote:
>

>my authenticity, PLEASE CALL ME BEFORE YOU SERIOUSLY LIBEL ME ANY 
>FURTHER!!! Let me say, I have taken all the criticism in stride so far, 
>but please don't cross the line into defamity. We do have a lawyer 
>(Attny.-At-Law J. Sheindlin), but hope cooler heads will prevail.
>
>So call me. Trust me, I am a lot nicer on the fone. P.L.U.R. to ALL! 
>Jake 
>773-878-4041- HOME NOW!!
>

you are indeed a bitch. defamation, libel, atterney... hrm don't you know 
that the internet is was ruled to be one of the highest forms of freespeech
and is thereby protected by the constition as such ? don't you also know
that you show yourself for the bitch you are when you start talking about 
libel on a public mailing list. you obviously aren't down with expression, 
you are more concerned about your ability to make money and therefore
feel it necessary to scare people into being nice to you by threatening 
them with legal action. don't even think your lame ass can hide behind
plur and the bullshit things you say you are trying to do. you can't fucking 
intimidate people on the internet, it doesn't work. 

dehuman

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At 08:40 PM 3/2/98 -0500, ShroomyGuy wrote:
>In a message dated 98-03-02 20:33:21 EST, you write:
>
><< i can very strongly agree with you here, my friend.  wilhelm is known to
> MANY of us as what i would like to call a fatty ha-ha, schiesty, selfish,
> loud mouth, pig face, percolator spinnin', shit talkin', bad vibe
> throwin', no talent dj/promoter.  i'm sure that there are many other
> adjectives that i could use to describe the pathetic waste of flesh that
> wilhelm is, but i simply don't have the time.  
> 
> 	XOXO, 
> 	  PRUGH ;) >>
>
>
>Well at least you're not enough of a hypocrite to put *PLUR* anywhere in your
>letter, I think it's people like this who are destroying the scene certainly
>not people like Wilhelm, why are people always so interested in the bad in
>people that they forget to look for the good?
>**PLUR**
>DL
> 

cause bad people will fuck your shit up...
good people are well, good (ie, wont fuck your shit up)...

which is the greater threat ? isn't good to identify threats ?

dehuman

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At 09:22 PM 3/2/98 -0600, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
>You know....i rilli dont care about all the bullshit that goes on in the
>scene among all the new skool and the old skool people. As a matter of
>fact its all bs politics that I stay out of. When i go to a party I know I
>will have fun, cuz thats why its called a PARTY! I dont know to parties
>just cuz its such a part of my life and i have to do it every weekend or
>whatever.
>Yes i would like the idea of having a camping party...where people of
>different age groups and different interests would come together not just
>for the musik but to chill for a weekend and have fun with their families
>or what not. I think its a lot better than when parents sit at home
>bitching about how bad raves are based on stupid shows like 20/20 and kids
>do fuckload of drugs ..sit on the floor of some nasty party and stare
>somewhere for 10 hrs. 
>I dont understand why I should support Even Furthr or whatever over
>anything else. Just cuz its their 3,4,5,6,7 attempt to do it? Whereas
>these people are doing it for the first time? Yes maybe their message
>sucked and it was kinda dumb, but the idea is great and if they put their
>shit together a lot of things can be accomplished. I am not willing to
>travel for 12  hrs for an outdoor party, simply cuz i am not that way. But
>if it were somewhere in IL and it was worth it i would go. 
>And no...nobody can critisize anybody unless they can do a better job at
>whatever they are critisizing. Its stupid to say "this shit will suck ass
>just cuz the approach is bad." You dont know anything yet...you dont know
>wut the turnout will be like.
>So give it time and see wut happens
>
>Ciao
>Me
> 

so accept shit right ? 
roll around in it pretend its chocolate and make it fun ?

mmmhrm...




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At 09:14 AM 3/3/98 -0600, dj noahphex wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, ShroomyGuy wrote:
>
>> not people like Wilhelm, why are people always so interested in the bad in
>> people that they forget to look for the good?
>
>Cuz the bad is hell of a lot more fun! Why is everybody assuming we all think
>the same way, and belive in some idealistic utopian BS wanna-be techno
>religion? Why do we have to like everybody? I dont like everyone. 
>
>		    dj noahphex   ::  noahphex@hardcorps.org
>				aka. muppetfucker
>			http://www.hardcorps.org/noahphex
>			Voice Mail: 1 - 512 - 703 - 8901
>			Happy Hardcore Mailing List Owner
>		  THUGS: Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad 
> 

hahaha... wh0rd... the bad is fun, the bad teaches, and, you shouldn't like
everyone,
there are people that just aren't 'bout it' in the world, and there is no
reason you gotta
like them...

its nice to know that some people are still grounded in reality

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At 09:14 AM 3/3/98 -0600, dj noahphex wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, ShroomyGuy wrote:
>
>> not people like Wilhelm, why are people always so interested in the bad in
>> people that they forget to look for the good?
>
>Cuz the bad is hell of a lot more fun! Why is everybody assuming we all think
>the same way, and belive in some idealistic utopian BS wanna-be techno
>religion? Why do we have to like everybody? I dont like everyone. 
>
>		    dj noahphex   ::  noahphex@hardcorps.org
>				aka. muppetfucker
>			http://www.hardcorps.org/noahphex
>			Voice Mail: 1 - 512 - 703 - 8901
>			Happy Hardcore Mailing List Owner
>		  THUGS: Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad 
> 

hahaha... wh0rd... the bad is fun, the bad teaches, and, you shouldn't like
everyone,
there are people that just aren't 'bout it' in the world, and there is no
reason you gotta
like them...

its nice to know that some people are still grounded in reality

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At 09:14 AM 3/3/98 -0600, dj noahphex wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, ShroomyGuy wrote:
>
>> not people like Wilhelm, why are people always so interested in the bad in
>> people that they forget to look for the good?
>
>Cuz the bad is hell of a lot more fun! Why is everybody assuming we all think
>the same way, and belive in some idealistic utopian BS wanna-be techno
>religion? Why do we have to like everybody? I dont like everyone. 
>
>		    dj noahphex   ::  noahphex@hardcorps.org
>				aka. muppetfucker
>			http://www.hardcorps.org/noahphex
>			Voice Mail: 1 - 512 - 703 - 8901
>			Happy Hardcore Mailing List Owner
>		  THUGS: Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad 
> 

hahaha... wh0rd... the bad is fun, the bad teaches, and, you shouldn't like
everyone,
there are people that just aren't 'bout it' in the world, and there is no
reason you gotta
like them...

its nice to know that some people are still grounded in reality 

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 04 09:32:06 1998
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well i have bad days and good days
sometimes i feel like educating, 
sometimes i feel like bitching, 
sometimes i feel like being stupid,
sometimes i am wrong
sometimes i am right...

i'm a person, i'm allowed to do the above.
i hide behind email when i feel like it, why ?
cause i can. 

i enjoy a flame as much as agreement...

i mean, i have a blast expressing my opinions
sometimes, just sometimes, you learn something.

dehuman

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At 02:25 PM 3/3/98 -0800, jacob feierbaum wrote:
>THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, PEOPLE!!!!! ALL I DID WAS PROPOSE A 
>PARTY, NOT MOLEST SMALL CHILDREN OR RAPE OLD WOMEN!!!!!!! WHAT IS WRONG 
>WITH YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU FEEL THE NEED TO HARASS ME BY SENDING ME 
>THOUSANDS OF FAKE EMAILS AND PRANK CALLING ME EVERY 5 MINUTES!!!
>
hahaha, prank calls, mail bombs... and i was beginning to think I am an
asshole...
>
>JEFF GAGE, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, I STRONLGY RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHUT 
>DOWN THIS LIST FOR A BREATHER AND A TIME TO REFOCUS AND REMEMBER THAT 
>THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION FOR A "RAVE" CAREER OR PROMOTION!!!!!
>
hahaha, shut down the list eh ? 
if you don't like it, LEAVE. 
don't even try and deny me the little fun this list provides me with.
>
>IF THIS LIST DOES NOT SHAPE UP THERE IS SERIOUS JEOPARDY OF LEGAL 
>ACTION!!!!!! P.L.U.R. to all! J.A.Cob (ready to leave myself, disgusted 
>with 90% of the posts on here)
>
oh man, gonna take legal action against mw-raves.... hahaha, as if.
i can assure you that if anything happened to this list, it would appear
elsewhere. i know for a fact that the resources are available.
>
>p.s. I am a non-violent person and any people making threats against me 
>WILL face legal recourse. Nor will I face anyone "mano a mano on a 
>virgin cornfield" as one person suggested, to fight out our differences. 
>GET A FUCKING CLUE PEOPLE!!
>
mano a mano on a virgin cornfield...
i bet it was jerry springer that instigated this... 
>
______________________________________________________
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> 

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okay kids. i have exactly 666 messages in my inbox.

and the end of the world is coming no time soon, no matter what
nostradamus or weird freak pentecostal-filled-with-the-holy-ghost
'prophets' say. 

i don't give a goddamn about people's fucked up ideas about moving the
scene aboveground even if they've never thrown a real party in their
lives. fine. let them waste their money, their time, their promotional
efforts. let mainstream people come to the party, enjoy the sweet
business sounds of american electronica. nice. yeah. all i care about is
if jake is gonna allow fireworks.

rembrandt is beautiful. but for all those who imitated him, what of them?
imitators of a style. fuck 'em. and so does history, cuz they meant
nothing. this rave thing is beautiful. but for all those who imitate it,
what of them? sure, of course it becomes sold out, of course it becomes
bullshit. so does everything that is beautiful in america -- we don't know
how to deal with it, so we reproduce it as closely as possible whenever we
find it. 

there's no idealism in this scene, 'plur' is a really nice idea, but it
doesn't mean anything -- and it never has. it is symbolic of the way
people acted, thought. maybe. 

can you force people not to exploit the scene or the music or whatever?
no. this is the new thing -- maybe it did fail to meet mainstream
acceptance in 1997. big fucking deal. it's just a matter of time. soon
every 'cool' kid in america will be 'into' the scene. there's alot of
money to be made. 

and as far as i'm concerned, people can go make their money. i find it
personally disgusting, but i won't stop them. people havta learn their own
way == sometimes not at all. and if you wanna make money off of folks
ignorance and consumerism, be my guest. desecrate something that most of
us find or found sacred in our own way. charge $25/party. advertise in the
malls. 

we're all human. i won't say that i wouldn't ever have done it. what if i
had no idea what this was about and only say dollar signs flashing in
front of me. i'd do the same thing. 

but right now, this is part of what makes life beautiful for me. i still
love it, the dancing, the music, the sometimes rare hugs. i love the
people who are involved in this thing because it is important for its own
sake. the dj's, real promoters, whoever. i love the kids who work shitty
hours and shitty jobs and drive three hours for a party with a huge-ass
smile on their face. 

for me, that's enough.

fuck it all else.

peace,
andrew


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At 05:28 PM 3/3/98 -0500, Becky Wangenheim wrote:
>Okay kids, I've figured it out...
>
>I KNOW what's REALLY happening here...
>
>It's about that time of year where two things are happening at once to
>cause people who, during any other time of the year are really great and
>wonderful people to turn into stressed out, overworked, underslept,
>underfed, pissed off motherfucking assholes....
>
>It's midterms for just about any college/university in the nation, and
>it's also really close to spring break...
>
dont forget midwest winters....
>
>go take a look in the mw-raves archives at posts right around this same
>time of year the past few years and you'll see a really strange
>coinkydink... during this time of year it seems that EVERYONE is pissed,
>stressed or whatever, and therefore noone gets along...
>
>Give it a couple of weeks and things will be all hunkydory again, until
>the beginning of May... Then comes FINALS! wheeee finals!!!
>
>For those of you not in school, I chalk it up to a general PMSiness that
>usually happens to those around this time of year when taxes are soon
>due... ;)
>
fuck, man, as if i didn't have enuff shit to worry bout, you remind me of
taxes
goddamn yew !$@#%@J$@#(  ;)
>
>Everyone, just take a fucking chill pill, pop in your favorite tape, and
>relax for a while. Dance around your house apartment or dorm room for an
>hour or two... Have a cup of hot chocolate with whipped creme or read a
>good book, maybe even something by the recently deceased Nicholas
>Saunders...
>
or as stated before... GO HAVE SEX @!$@#$@
its good for you...
>
>Having been deemed the "offical" Mw-Raves Mother, let my end with saying,
>I love you all, even if you act like a bunch of assholes sometimes... Now
>go to your room and give some serious thought to the way you're acting and
>reacting to others... Don't let your emotions get the best of you when
>you're stressed out...
>
>
>-Becky =)
>
>wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
>http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra
>
>*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
>saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
>to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
>thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
>dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.
>
>saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?
>
>*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> 

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i vote for both

At 06:24 PM 3/3/98 -0600, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
>I jes thought of something...
>
>Why dont we change our PLUR motto a lil bit to something else
>
>Sex, Love, Unity, Respect, Peace...yes u got it right ...
>
>SLURP
>
>or we can change it to Sex, Love, Unity, Techno
>
>SLUT
>
>
>pick one 
> 

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At 07:07 PM 3/3/98 -0600, Russell E Schneider wrote:
>
>
>My personal favorite is "People Lost in Unattainable Realities".
>PLUR,
>Russ
> 
looks familar.. but at anyrate...

ding ding ding, we have a winner


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PLUR among someone in the militia could mean 

Pistols, Launchers, Uzis and Rockets.


? What ya think about that one?




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Hay people...well its finalli here..the long awaited tape done by the
master of the wheels of steel (myself)...haha how fucken funny...

Actualli rilli I have recorded a new tape called Random Reality which
includes some of the latest and not so latest progressive and hard trance.
It has been professionally recorded to DAT and remastered in my friends
studio so the sound quality is kick ass. The content is kick ass as well ,
cuz well...i wouldnt be talkin about it if i didnt like it knowing how
perfectionist son of a bitch i am.

Anyways...the tape came out rilli well and if u peeps would like to hear
it *knowing that progressive and hard trance are not the most common
genres around here* please email me and i will give u all the info.

Also if you are a dj who spins hard trance or prog trance or a basic HT
fan, lemme know... i seem to be stumbling across house or jungle people
only :)


I remain sincerely yours
Wannabe dj tsar


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At 10:32 PM 3/3/98 -0600, dj fishead wrote:
>paradyme@lotek.org wrote:
>
>> but it's so much less fun :) phear my grammar.
>> long live dan doormouse.
>
>amen to that!
>
>"I'll tell you, in the time it takes to bake a potato you can turn a
>sleeping friend's open mouth into a mess of blood, broken teeth and
>open, sore nerve endings, all while enjoying the pleasurable thought
>that you can't tell the difference between the puss leaking out the side
>of your obnoxiously fat dillpole heatseaking missile and the cum
>dripping down the side of your little pal's eyes"... -doormouse
>

you know that makes me wanna go buy that rekkid yesterday. ;)

>
>yum.
>
>-- 
>--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
>dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
>    http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
>      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm
> 

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bah, he would do nothing of the sort,
ask morgan, she disrespects him on a regular
basis, she still has all her teeth.

At 01:25 AM 3/4/98 -0600, Prugh E. George wrote:
>this was sent to me direct from wilhelm k.  
>
>--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
>From: Dadisko <Dadisko@aol.com>
>To: twkr@juno.com
>Subject: your a bitch
>Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:18:17 EST
>Message-ID: <44ab4429.34fce41b@aol.com>
>
>what's up punk
>this is wilhelm k your a bitch say what you gotta say to my face and see
>me
>knock  your fukin teeth down your throat with my "fatty ha-ha" fist.
>playahata.
>
>yours dis respectfully
>wilhelm k
>
>--------- End forwarded message ----------
>
>what the fuck?  i admit that i was flaming the guy, but this is fucking
>ridiculous.  see what kind of person this guy is?  looks like i was
>right.
>
>	XOXO,
> 	  PRUGH 
>
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> i know people who've thrown away a lot more than this 
> on lesser drugs than i hear she's been dealing with...
> 
> from very reputable sources.

What are you talking about?

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At 06:28 PM 3/3/98 -0600, Russell E Schneider wrote:
>
>Whaddaya know- I'm gonna be writing for Massive next issue too.
>Many people wrote to assure me that you really are a nice guy; although I
>gotta admit that wasn't my  initial impression.  I guess literature 
>really does provide a common ground (doesn't fishead write for Massive
>also?).  In regards to all the poop flyin' between us, I hope you didn't
>take it too personally.  In the words of Edgar Allen Poe, "nemo me
>impune son lacessit" (no one attacks me with impunity) =O
>Russ

yeah fishy does write for massive... They both played at my birthday
party this past summer.. and provided lots of hardcore smiles to alot
of people while they were in ohio.

Jenni/Efron


Jennifer Palmer
Texas Hardcorps - Austin, Texas
Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad - Austin, Texas
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Texas Raves Hyperreal Web Admin
Texas Raves Calendar Admin
Texas Hardcorps DJ & Web Admin 
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14 posts from dehumanizer <dehuman@lotek.org> between 1am and
9am...interesting, very interesting...
*shaking head*

Koog ~~ Tracy
	
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ok....unless I am greatly mistaken, I am from st louis and have worked with
the superstars.....they have certainly ripped off their fair share of people
in this city...as for the others but the superstars should NOT be on that
list....
dan.

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if that was a list of people who owe money or not, i think you should add
Breand X on there, yeah, they lost about $6000-$7000 last year, but they had
their parties prepaid... so they only lost money they already had... some
promoters prepay their parties... believe it or not...

paul	 

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>It'll be amusing to hear that annoying VJ pretend to know something about
>that new "Drum and Bass" sound that Roni has pioneered completely by
himself.   

*snicker*  are you being sarcastic?

or do you seriously think that he created drum & bass?

jon/dica


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in reference to OPERATION: ABOWEL GRUNDIE

>rembrandt is beautiful. but for all those who imitated him, what of them?

cheap imitations suck. and they're easy to spot.

jon/dica


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I really don't know any of you anymore and i've hardly been posting for the
past few months but I thought i would say goodbye to you all.  After being on
the list for about 3 years now, it's time to move.  I'm going to be visiting my
new home of San Francisco next week so i'm unsubcribing now.   As the people
that have been on the list for over a year know,  we keep repeating the same
things, and of lately there has been more postings that i have time to keep up
with.  I'll just leave you all with a few comments.

Charles of PURE is one of the best things for you people in Chicago, wether you
believe it or not.  This scene is so full of shit and assholes it's
unbelievable that this man has survived this long and still gives a shit about
it.  You may not always agree with him, but i'll tell you from personal
experience that his heart is in the right place and deserves alot more respect
that what he gets from the community.

Second, Mike Dearborn may be a prick or anything else that anyone wants to call
him, but he knows what he is fucking talking about.  If you want to learn some
shit, listen to what he has to say.

Third, Dan Efex is the shit.  I've had the privlage of having him at a couple
parties and never once had the guy complained or anything.  He is one of the
best dj's around, and spins for a fraction of the price.  He gives more than
almost any of us to the scene and i only with there was more dj's like him
around.

Fouthly, fuck Analouge, System and anyone that assoiciates with those fuckers
in Detroit.  If you support any of those companies, you have no grounds to ever
bitch to anyone, and in my eyes you are not a true raver.  These people are all
about money and power and don't even know what the term PLUR means.  Yes they
bring in great dj's and shit, but being a raver is a lot more than that.

And that leaves me with my final thought.  Being raver is not about doing
drugs, having the phatest pants, bleaching your hair or any of that shit.  I
have gotten tired of people thinking they are the shit by how much drugs they
do or how many times a week they do them, or how often they goto parties, how
many dj's they know and shit like that.  If you sit their at a party making fun
of other people at the party you are not a raver.  A raver is a person that
enjoys the music and accepts people for who they are, even their faults.  As
soon as you start to make fun of others or try to act like some bad ass, you
have lowered yourself to their level.  It took me a while to figure that out.
I used to think i was a raver when i first got into the scene, but i was one of
the dumb asses that bragged about how much drugs i used and which dj's i knew
and shit like that, but that's not what it is about.  Take a look around and
see where you stand.  Only when you can accept yourself for who you are, will
you be able to accepts others.

Well it's time to be going.  I'll still have this e-mail for a couple more
years if anyone needs to get a hold of me.

Peace out to you all, and keep it true and keep dancing

Joff





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   How awfully judgemental for such a *PLURry* person...



http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/ef

http://members.tripod.com/~g13/420
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HERE's a letter written to my "Dear Animal" column.



Dear animal,
I have a non- raver friend who says plur(peace, love, unity, respect) is 
fake and all the love ravers have for each other is also fake.

What should I tell him?

Rave love,
Hello Kitty Karen


Dear Kitty,

Ditch that friend like yesterdays' garbage. Why do you have a non-raver 
friend anyway?!!  That's your first problem.  Your second problem is 
your face, but that wasn't part of your question.

You know that plur is real and it's mean something to you. That's all 
that matters.  Your friend isn't a  raver. He is living in some fantasy 
world of working, school, beer and the spice girls. Kids like you and I 
can't comprehend this lifestyle of filth.  Your friend is headed towards 
a black hole of  responsibilities and dinner parties.

Until he wakes up, don't waste your time.  He's probably home right now 
watching back-to-back episodes of Party of Five. 

PLUR,
Animal







DaS fLuX wrote:
> 
> plur = Puss-filled , Limecolored  Unatural  Rectum
> 
> peace
> doug
> 
> PS sloppy joes are good mmmmmmmmmmmmm sloppy joes!!!!!!!!!

-- 
                       
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       animal; don't eat me, i have feelings. 
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ummm you're kidding, right?  you do realize this is actually funny, right?
just checkin.....



On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 EarthFirst@webtv.net wrote:

>    How awfully judgemental for such a *PLURry* person...
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> http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/ef
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> http://members.tripod.com/~g13/420



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>maybe I'm wrong.

Yeah, I think you are...

>so sue me

I think I will, now that you mention it.

>j/k
>love
>josh

I think the MW in MW raves stands for Mindless Wailing...

-TooMuchPrideToSignThisPost

>On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, . xotis . wrote:
>
>> Pussy Luvin' Ugly Ragamuffin
>> 
>> Craig/xotis
>> PS: Props to zoki for help on this one :-)


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i know this is a free country and (fairly)unregulated list, but...

reading (or deleting) 20+ posts from ONE person in ONE day??
...with the quotes attached, mostly long and unedited??
try to cut n paste related stuff into one post...or cut down
on replies..and, for gods sake (ooops..i said god), edit the
quotes!

to that webtv person...is there anyway to turn off all those
rather annoying tags and headers?? cuz reading one line of
comment by having to scroll through 30 lines of junk sucks.

oh yeah, while i am at it...i know it hasnt happened in a 
while, but turn off the html makers if you use some weird
gui mailers like m$. (vms shell rules! *heh*). 

john.dove
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New releases worth checking out:

Concept 1  - Richie Hawtin (on the new M-nus label)
	
	I'm assuming this is from the limited 12" Concept series that he 
	put out last year. EXTREMELY minimal, yet engaging at the same
	time. Buy it and listen to it when you are on the edge of sleep.

Dreamscape Vol. 2, The Vision

	I already reviewed this, but it still rocks, and you NEED to buy 
	it. Get the first one also. "Rave" music at its absolute best.

Octopus 3 - Charles Uzzell Edwards (FAX label)

	Experimental ambience and weird grooves. Buy this if you like
	your music odd.


i think that's all i've bought in the last couple weeks. enjoy!

also, i will have a CD of original music out around the beginning of
April. If anyone is interested, let me know. Should be around 8 bucks.
Check my web page for more info (coming soon after WMC).

also, does anyone know if God, uh, I mean Richie Hawtin is gonna be at the
Winter Music Conf.???  ;)

music will keep us together, no matter how much we argue...


j-Sun

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>if that was a list of people who owe money or not, i think you should add
>Breand X on there, yeah, they lost about $6000-$7000 last year, but they had
>their parties prepaid... so they only lost money they already had... some
>promoters prepay their parties... believe it or not...
>
>paul

That's the way it should done and I give you props for looking out for your
party.  Unfortunately it is rare these days that a party is pre-paid.  I'm
playing for a promoter soon who not only pre-paid his party (I know because
he paid all the D.J.'s already and party hasn't happened yet) but he also
throws free parties where he flies in D.J.'s and pays for everything at his
own expense.  Consequently the D.J.'s love to play for him because they
know everything will be taken care of.

Brand X should definately put on that list.


 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
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The following events are taking place at the Millenia coffee house - 3782
Chicago Dr., Jenison, MI (5 mins west of Grand Rapids, MI) - 616.532.7121
.

.. all events from 10PM until 4AM ..

Friday, March 6, 1998

KIKOMAN - deepfried
CRISPIN - inner circle


Friday, March 13, 1998

JAY DENHAM aka VICE - black nation
HYDRO - elastik


Friday, March 20, 1998

MYLES SERGE' - mechanisms
SCOTT ALLEN - s.o.s.


Brought to you by Inner Circle and Da Hip Hut

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>If you sit their at a party making fun of other people at the party you
are not a raver.

phew!

fuckin' ravers.


+++++++++++ jon/dica +++++++++++ jabraun@students.wisc.edu ++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++ rinsin' out every thursday, 12-2am central time at http://www.msr.org ++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++ i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" +++++++++++++++++++

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I heard about some party coming up in chicago that features Funk, Deon, and
Slugo.

Anybody hear anything about it?

=exit=
-adam-

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Don't have the flyer on me.  Its on Friday, I think, and its somewhere in
Chicago Heights on Halsted St. If nobody posts b4 I get home, I'll repost
the pertinent info

			toastman

On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Adam Tyr wrote:

> I heard about some party coming up in chicago that features Funk, Deon, and
> Slugo.
> 
> Anybody hear anything about it?
> 
> =exit=
> -adam-
> 


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>>It'll be amusing to hear that annoying VJ pretend to know something
>>about
>>that new "Drum and Bass" sound that Roni has pioneered completely by
>>himself.

>
>*snicker*  are you being sarcastic?
>
>or do you seriously think that he created drum & bass?
>
>jon/dica                                                   

I guess for my first post to the list I should have made my sarcasm a bit
more obvious.

I know that Roni AND Goldie pioneered the Drum and Bass sound together.
They both get equal credit.


Lots of sarcasm.

Adam Meadows


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hardly.  think about 4hero and jazz.
-lion/lotek

At 04:06 PM 3/4/98 -0500, Adam Leon Meadows wrote:
>Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:07:28 -0600
>
>>>It'll be amusing to hear that annoying VJ pretend to know something
>>>about
>>>that new "Drum and Bass" sound that Roni has pioneered completely by
>>>himself.
>
>>
>>*snicker*  are you being sarcastic?
>>
>>or do you seriously think that he created drum & bass?
>>
>>jon/dica                                                  =20
>
>I guess for my first post to the list I should have made my sarcasm a bit
>more obvious.
>
>I know that Roni AND Goldie pioneered the Drum and Bass sound together.
>They both get equal credit.
>
>
>Lots of sarcasm.
>
>Adam Meadows
>
>
>
- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



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...opposite the norm...

positive force productions with the positive kids and WHPK along with 
mushgroove/incredibeets helping out on this one bring you....

                        POSITIVE THURSDAYS 14
                              3.05.98
                            9:30-2:00am
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         18 and over w/ some sort of passable picture id

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DJ FUNK (ghetto)

DELTA NINE (gabber)

SNUGGLES/3D (jungle)

LUIS AGUILERA (trancecore)
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good vibes and good music....you know the score!
(no glass or negativity will be tolerated....)

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evil sucks......


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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, lion gv wrote:

> hardly.  think about 4hero and jazz.
> -lion/lotek
>                            
Hey I was being sarcastic here.  I dont have respect for either Roni or
Goldie,  thats why I was joking about them shaping the sound of
jungle/drum and bass, which are probably the only two jungle artists MTV
knows of.  

If I was being serious, I would definitely put 4 hero, omni trio, and
others as people that could be considered pioneers of a jungle sound
as we know it.

Trying to clarify,

ADam Meadows


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> GROVER- schizophrenic (sometimes a superhero, sometimes afraid of
> his own shadow)		     ^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^

i think that means he is manic depressive.

> ERNIE/ BERT- gay lovers keeping it "in the closet" for now

like 7 years ago i had this theory that bert + ernie were together and
nobody believed me.

> MAURICE/ MARIA- child molesters

(???) i don't get this part at all.

-elias


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oh, word :)


>
>Trying to clarify,
>
>ADam Meadows
>
>
>
- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



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> Hey I was being sarcastic here.  I dont have respect for either Roni or
> Goldie,  thats why I was joking about them shaping the sound of
> jungle/drum and bass, which are probably the only two jungle artists MTV
> knows of.  

why not...they did have somewhat of a fundamental part in shaping
drum&bass....they deserve mad mad props for doing what they are/have
done....as for mtv knowing only these two jungle artists....  on sat. i
watched a tape of the Amp and sure as hell saw Soul Slinger, 1.8.7, & Dj
Dara videos (actually in a row)....    the dara one was boring
(visually)...but the soul slinger vid. rocked...  the liquid sky design
character was gettin his groove on =)

would anyone be willing to trade me a blank tape for a complete tape of
amp videos?.....   i woudl be supplying the blank tape....  i dont watch
tv all to much (sunday nites on fox babyyy...only tv i
experience...simpsons, king of the hill and 2 episodes of xfiles =)   but
anywyas....    and i def. dont have cable.      but i really enjoyed what
i have seen so far from the amp...


btw    can we not go into the "mtv amp" discussion again...i just want a
freakin tape of it.

-mikeyD
Rural AmeriKa
ZoikZ!: 4.11.98:217.353.5111
                217.353.5225



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Anyone have matter's new email addy in Boulder? or any info on how to
contact a member of the TRUST crew????

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> watched a tape of the Amp and sure as hell saw Soul Slinger, 1.8.7, & Dj
> Dara videos (actually in a row)....    the dara one was boring
> (visually)...but the soul slinger vid. rocked...  the liquid sky design
> character was gettin his groove on =)

no kiddin', a dara vid on mTv?  what track?  i don't know if i feel like
puking or running out and splicing into my neighbor's cable service...

rinsimus maximus is a pretty decent album, though, for those of you who
havent heard it yet....two really dope tracks toward the end (7&8, i
think)  i haven't seen dara since urban warriors in lousiville, but he had
a goooood set.  anyone know when he's gonna be in the lousville/cinci area
next, cause i'd like to catch him.

juma


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[robert anthony conder <rconder@indiana.edu>]
> 
> rinsimus maximus is a pretty decent album, though, for those of you who
> havent heard it yet....two really dope tracks toward the end (7&8, i
> think)  i haven't seen dara since urban warriors in lousiville, but he had
> a goooood set.  anyone know when he's gonna be in the lousville/cinci area
> next, cause i'd like to catch him.
> 

yeah, i like the album, too... my only problem with it is that several of
the tracks sound REALLY similar... almost to the point that it might have 
been better just to pick one of two or three to put on the album. all in
all, i like it though... 

matt

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I was rarly any good at diagnosing mental disorders when I took psych
classes, but using this interpretation of Grover's behavior, I would
diagnose him as Bi-Polar personality disorder (formerly called manic
depressive).  You're right Greta.  Mental disorders are tough to
distinguish sometimes.  Kind of scary, our role model as children was a
blue puppet that swung from manic to depressive states like a light
switch.


love
josh

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> > GROVER- schizophrenic (sometimes a superhero, sometimes afraid of
> > his own shadow)		     ^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^
> 
> i think that means he is manic depressive.


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What's up! Long time no talk? You going to any parties soon. Well email
me if you hear about any good parties.
			caren

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Elaine:
	I'm going to be home on march 20. Do you want to hang out/ go to
a rave? What have you been up to? Well email me.
		caren

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> WHY NOT SUPORT THEM ALL??? Basically, you are saying no new promoters 
> can throw a party that is worth checking out, support only the old 
> established promoters, blah-blah-blah. Yes, you come off sounding like a 
> bitter old skool raver who is prejudiced against new ideas and new 
> promoters. 

> That is exactly what OPERATION ABOVE GROUND IS ABOUT!!!! SO SUPPORT 
> US!!! RAVERS OF THE WORLD, ALL YOU HAVE TO LOSE IS YOUR IGNORANCE AND 
> EGOTISM!!!

you don't have to have been throwing parties since 1990 to be established,
but i think you need a good reputation before you can convince thousands
of people to come to your all-weekend party. people need proof that you
know what you are doing + that they will enjoy themselves at your party.
nobody knows who you are, what you're about, or what to expect in terms of
honesty. that's the foundation which will get people to trust you an
believe in what you're doing. i know i won't plan on spending my whole
weekend plus $25 or whatever on a party unless i have either been to other
successful, smaller parties by the same promoter or have heard good
reviews of them from other people.

now i have a couple of questions about throwing parties, well spaces in
particular. is there a ratio of square feet to capacity number? does
anybody know what it is? and would it make sense to go to a real estate
agency with industrial properties asking about renting a warehouse or
similar building? i just had that idea + i don't know if it would be bad
or good.

-elias


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I've tried to be patient, I've gone through the chain of command for 
rectifying mw-raves... But the harassment of me continues... through 
harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and yesterday, someone posted 
a bogus picture of me on the web for all to make fun of. Here's my 
ULTIMATUM: SHUT IT DOWN, JEFF GAGE, SHUT DOWN MW-RAVES!!!!!

If by the end of tomorrow there is no action on this, as I suspect there 
won't be, my atty-at-law, Judith Scheindlin, will be serving papers to 
the parties responsible for hosting mw-raves.

I'm sorry I have to do this to you, Jeff Gage... as I said in my email, 
I've always admired you and you efforts, and hell, I even had a crush on 
you (you flaming cutee candy raver boyee, you!) for awhile I can't deny. 
BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO SHUT THIS POISONOUS MOTHERFUCKER DOWN 
THAN I DO!!!!!!!!

Just remember what confucius said Jeff, a long time ago: the ruler the 
people hate the most is the despotic ruler, after that, the WEAK RULER!

Until you guys figure out a way to moderate this list I am afraid I'll 
have to "destroy mw-raves in order to save it".

So "stand for something or fall for anything"! ARE YOU WITH ME??!!!!

I need help to carry out this legal battle, but rest assured, it will 
set a major precedent on the Net that will help us for years to come. 
Please call me at work (847) 842-9952 or home (847) 888-2424 if you have 
anything you can offer to this case. I'm sorry I have to set aside PLUR 
here and don my battle armor. It's all for the best. TO THE MAT! J.A.C. 
(ob)



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hahaha!  Judith Scheindlin, huh?  Judge Judy? 

It's humorous, but whoever is the mastermind of this hotmail account
should really give it up, because I don't want to read a thread of 50
posts to the list about what an asshole you are.

If you're really that bored, then I feel sorry for you.

--Megan

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, jacob feierbaum wrote:

> I've tried to be patient, I've gone through the chain of command for 
> rectifying mw-raves... But the harassment of me continues... through 
> harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and yesterday, someone posted 
> a bogus picture of me on the web for all to make fun of. Here's my 
> ULTIMATUM: SHUT IT DOWN, JEFF GAGE, SHUT DOWN MW-RAVES!!!!!
> 
> If by the end of tomorrow there is no action on this, as I suspect there 
> won't be, my atty-at-law, Judith Scheindlin, will be serving papers to 
> the parties responsible for hosting mw-raves.
> 
> I'm sorry I have to do this to you, Jeff Gage... as I said in my email, 
> I've always admired you and you efforts, and hell, I even had a crush on 
> you (you flaming cutee candy raver boyee, you!) for awhile I can't deny. 
> BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO SHUT THIS POISONOUS MOTHERFUCKER DOWN 
> THAN I DO!!!!!!!!
> 
> Just remember what confucius said Jeff, a long time ago: the ruler the 
> people hate the most is the despotic ruler, after that, the WEAK RULER!
> 
> Until you guys figure out a way to moderate this list I am afraid I'll 
> have to "destroy mw-raves in order to save it".
> 
> So "stand for something or fall for anything"! ARE YOU WITH ME??!!!!
> 
> I need help to carry out this legal battle, but rest assured, it will 
> set a major precedent on the Net that will help us for years to come. 
> Please call me at work (847) 842-9952 or home (847) 888-2424 if you have 
> anything you can offer to this case. I'm sorry I have to set aside PLUR 
> here and don my battle armor. It's all for the best. TO THE MAT! J.A.C. 
> (ob)
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________
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> 


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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, jacob feierbaum wrote:

> I've tried to be patient, I've gone through the chain of command for 
> rectifying mw-raves... But the harassment of me continues... through 
> harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and yesterday, someone posted 
> a bogus picture of me on the web for all to make fun of me

It sounds like you have some personal problems to deal with...  

Why does mw-raves have anything to do with a personal issue you may be
having with some one else on the net...?


>From what you're saying it doesn't sound like you have any basis for your
allegations against mw-raves....

tony 


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>So "stand for something or fall for anything"! ARE YOU WITH ME??!!!!

HELL YEAH I AM! LET'S SUE SOME SHIT UP!

chris :)

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ROTFL.

Pleez ppl dont take this crap serious.

Love yas 
Nathaniel


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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, matt hellige wrote:

> [robert anthony conder <rconder@indiana.edu>]
> > 
> > rinsimus maximus is a pretty decent album, though, for those of you who
> > havent heard it yet....two really dope tracks toward the end (7&8, i
> > think)  i haven't seen dara since urban warriors in lousiville, but he had
> > a goooood set.  anyone know when he's gonna be in the lousville/cinci area
> > next, cause i'd like to catch him.
> > 
> 
> yeah, i like the album, too... my only problem with it is that several of
> the tracks sound REALLY similar... almost to the point that it might have 
> been better just to pick one of two or three to put on the album. all in
> all, i like it though... 



I forget what track it was for, maybe discipline.  but maybe i'm just
saying that cause i like the track.  when i saw it a few months ago i
nearly flipped, myself.  as much as i dig dara, its a rilly boring video.
basically him pacing up and down in front of a wall with stupid camera
efex.

I do like rinsimus maximus.  i was just really surprised when i went out
and got it.  it doesn't...ughh i just interrupted to read more crap mail.
just when i thought we were getting back on topic...anyways, it doesn't
sound like what i had heard dara spin previously.  way more breaky and
jazzy, not all that hard.  and i must agree, many of the tracks do sounds
the same.  i was not as impressed by it as i was expecting.  but some very
good tracks, nonetheless

alas i missed dara in Chicago yet again when he spun at Fuel.  hopefully
he'll be back in the area soon.  otherwise, I guess I'm just going to have
to hunt him down in NY

			toastman



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Hey, i was talking to a couple of people back in december that told me bert
died of cancer!!!!!!!!  something about showing the kids how to cope with a
friend that dies.  is this true?  i try to watch it but i'm usually asleep or
when i do catch it, they don't show bert or ernie.  what's up with this???

sarah :)

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GOD DAMN I LOVE WRITING TO CAPS TO MAKE MY POINT CLEAR!!!


I AM SUING YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS. I HAD A CRUSH ON YOU ALL U FLAMING
FRUITCAKES U AND NOW I AM THROUGH WITH U!

And oh ya...I will be contacting the honorable Oprah Winfrey to preside.

So there :p

Anyways...i had a question. Any cool parties with trance dj's cumin up?

Signing offf
Silli ass wannabe dj


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I'm hosting a discussion on http://www.collegeclub.com tomarrow (3/5) at
5:30pm (pst).  If anyone can stop by and contribute to the flow of ideas
and such, I'd greatly appreciate it.  This is a weekly event I do, and I'm
going out on a limb with this week's subject, which deals with the music
aspect of the rave culture, the media influence, and the influence on the
media.  Thanks!

love
josh

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You see that's fucked up right there!  I haven't heard this.  Yes, please,
has anyone seen bert lately?  not reruns, btw.

love
josh

Free Tibet!
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, GreeedGirl wrote:

> Hey, i was talking to a couple of people back in december that told me bert
> died of cancer!!!!!!!!  something about showing the kids how to cope with a
> friend that dies.  is this true?  i try to watch it but i'm usually asleep or
> when i do catch it, they don't show bert or ernie.  what's up with this???
> 
> sarah :)
> 


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you've GOT to be kidding.  you dug your own hole-YOU got on the list,
YOU didn't unsub, YOU kept posting threatening, degreading, and
generally retarded emails to all of US, making us have to waste our time
sorting through your crap, your threats about lawsuits, and you shitty
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 00:27:30 1998
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Ok, i know you don't know me personally, but I'm going to be in beautiful
St. Louis Missouri from 3/6 (around 11pm) until 3/15 (around 5pm).  If
anyone wants to meet me, and hang out or whatever, let me know.

love
josh

Free Tibet!
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What up junglists... its now March and its time for the monthly happenings
captain.
So lets bury this like a crunch cuz I got a hunch... you gwan need to pack a
lunch...
cuz chicago's kicking some ass all day in the mainstay, baby.

:)

March 6th of course is togetherness 630-415-3158 - among some of the legendary
techno and house acts on the bill like Huggie (u.k.) and Hyperactive... Mc
Blackeye and Kid Entropy are representing a live p.a. so get there early...
they'll be debuting some of the new plates from Cosmic Breaks as well as Forte
recordings and they are armed to the teeth with bass.  Bring ya bubble vest,
ya'll.

March 7th is Meow Mix and Chicago junglists 3D, Snuggles, and that whack as
f**k kid entropy :) are representing the q-systems alongside talent like
Skylab 2000, Slugo, and Trace...  Be prepared for the chitown sinister
sound... live stylee baby. 

March 21st is the Roni Size represent tour date in chicago at the metro with
Bryan G and G.Q... special guests on the bill are the DJ 3D and the MC Kid
Entropy.  Real official business... no question.... lovely lovely lovely...

Also March 6th I forgot to mention to you is Grooverider at the House of Blues
brought to you by Core... Mr. Groovie goes on later so if you all wanna
represent like real underground heads... its perfect timing from each space...
:)  we'd love you for it... and we won't dissappoint ya.  the true junglists
get the biggest respect and the most bass. :)

Also in March brand new Brockouts and Shaolin Styles are hitting... Off course
you know that Dubshack kicks off at liar's club the third thurs. of every
month and Shaolin Style follows close pursuit the fourth thurs. at the
liar's... representin' it no freaking question... don't forget that Pure also
represents the first week of march with a good old fashion beat seeded
event... here are your numbers...
DUBSHACK - 847-604-1983
SEMICONSCIOUS - 630-585-4056
PURE - 312-409-PURE

In studio news... DJ R-YN from brockout and entropiznik are in the studio
working on a new project entitled "Motarollahz" promising to be a fusion of
heads a la deep tech versus bristol bass.  the end result is some slamming ass
breaks and blade runnin' on tracks like "Act Of Vengeance."  Look out soon for
live dates with a special guest m.c. from Chicago's underground hip hop
continuum.

3D and Snuggles have just signed "Terminal Beats" to be distributed through
Hypnotic/Cleopatra... be on the lookout in the next couple of months in your
local record stores...

Til Next Month...

Go nutty... 

Entropiz


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yes, bert is STILL ALIVE!!!
during my lunch break at home, i watched a half hr of sesame street
(number 9, letter F)
and i saw bert and ernie, looking entirely healthy.
:)

--lynn--

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Proof: http://www.sesamestreet.org/sesame/elmopalooza/

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I'm out too, it's been fun, but now it's lame.  

*sniffle*

Parting shots
-------------
For the truly clueless on this list, I offer this advice.  When you feel it
necessary to refute and comment on a thread - think, re-think, analyze,
approach from multiple angles, dissect, cross reference and otherwise
insure that you have something to contribute or, at the very least, the wit
to make a post entertaining.  If the content of your post is generally
empty of signifigance, instead of boring the 400 people on this list with
your shallow insights and zingless rejoinders try to determine if it's
going to be worth _our_ time to read what you have to say.

Below is a repost of how to flame effictively, written by myself:

You know ... there is a certain art to flaming people, to arguing and
bitching and bickering - especially in an electronic forum such as this - a
certain precision in wit that translates into a metaphoric kick in the head.

I am not entering u and chrise's argument at all, I just would like to
point out that to make a flame effective - there are certain guidelines I
use to be more effective:

1 >> Never reply without thinking it through first.  
---------------------------------------------------
The instinctive reaction when first reading an email that incites some sort
of anger or disbelief of someone's stupidity, is to hit Ctrl+R right away
and send off a 2 line zinger which you believe will really "make them look
stupid".  Tsk tsk, bad idea!  Always think before you react and put thought
into what you are saying.  The more you analyze their stupid sentences and
are able to subtley misconstrue their point and passively turn it around to
exploit their weakness in expressing themselves through the english
language - the more impact your flame will have.

2 >> Stick to the facts!
------------------------
When arguing a relatively moot point always focus on what the other is
saying and if you need to respond with information to get the big K.O.,
MAKE SURE your facts are straight - or that you have the will and patience
to argue your misinformation until everyone think's it right!  


3 >> Use wit!
-------------
Nothing is lamer than a flame that lacks punch.  I've seen plenty of would
be flames roll through Eudora, and the fact that they lack wit really
drives me insane - if you don't have wit, don't flame!  An example of what
not to do:

>opinion.  tell me more, tell me more, ...... i'm facinated w/ what you 
>have to say.  you seem like such an interesting mammal.  your words meen

No offense, but Lame!  Really!  I didn't even smile it was so lame!  WHICH
IS MY POINT RIGHT THERE.  If you can't make the general audience smile or
laugh whilst you are working hard at passively aggressively tearing someone
to pieces, then it's no good.  "interesting mammal"?

4 >> Don't Egg Anyone On
------------------------
Egging someone on in a flame debate is worthless and ultimately makes you
look like a 3rd grader with a weight problem.  All flames should appear to
be "the final word".  If your opponent wishes to retaliate with a flame of
his own, respond again with "the final word".  An example of what not to do:

>so chris, you really think it's ok to use an info line w/out asking
>permission.  that right there tells me enough about you and your
>opinion.  tell me more, tell me more, ...... i'm facinated w/ what you 
>have to say.  you seem like such an interesting mammal.  your words meen
>so, so much to us.  tell us chris tell us all there is to know.

This smacks too much of the fat kid on the playground harassing the ugly
girl with glasses!  It's no good!  

5 >> Make Yourself Flame Retardant
----------------------------------
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!  Like I said in point #1, if you are going to flame
think about it first and make sure that your response is a) good enough to
end the debacle or b) the opponent couldn't possibly respond without
looking like a retard.  This is the hardest part to learn and it took me a
few years to realize it's worth!  I share it with you at no cost!

If you are not in a flame war and would like to stay out of one, there a
few things you can do which will keep you clear of any burning mail that
could be shot your way.  Don't respond to mail with a lame "Me too!" or
"HAHA YEAH FUNNY GUY HAHA!".  And nothing is _lamer_ then people that
respond to a previously humorous bit of mail with their own lame wit that
really wrecks the vibe of the original joke post.  Christ, I see that one
all the time and it really pisses me off.  Another good way to get flamed
is to be the "unofficial" moderator of a maillist.  Nobody likes a nag or a
whiney little know it all pisshead trying to enforce their vision of
mailing list utopia down everyone's throat.  I specialize in these types of
people, just ask about me on vrave!  Hi davisonj!

6 >> Always Run the Spell Checker
---------------------------------
Once in awhile, the only point you can flame over is how horrible the other
person's spelling and/or grammar is.  Granted you are starting to lean
towards the lame side of things when you reach for grammatical error to
strike someone down, but - hey - sometimes the low blows are just as good
as the blows straight to the head.

Eudora and many mail programs include spellcheckers!  

Anyways, I hope this helps people out when they decided to enter the
exciting world of the email flame war.  


---------

So that's it.  Enjoy.  It's been fun!  Well not lately...

byebye,

earache.


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> "To Alcohol, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems!"

Haha- that episode was on again yesterday.  Long live the Simpsons!
Russ


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Ok, I no longer have the patience or time to wade thru this load of shite,
this is insanity.  I'm taking my business to personal mail, as should be
done w/ a lot of the stuff going on here now....and I thought the religion
thread was bad.

You know where to reach me.
See yous lata.

Koog ~~ Tracy
	
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> > MAURICE/ MARIA- child molesters
> 
> (???) i don't get this part at all.
> 
> -elias
> 

This was taken from the fact that Maurice was, in actuality, a 
criminal, and doing Sesame Street was a means of reducing and/or
avoiding jail time (I don't remember exactly).  If my memory serves
me correctly, the cops picked him up running through a park naked
while hyped up on some substance or another.  I swear to God I'm
not making this up!
Russ


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um... you need a hobby, bro.


.lotek
.phear------paradyme@lotek.org
+drone
|_______jeff.

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Dear Jacob,
    Get a new phone number new email address and unsub from mwraves
then get a life... Mw raves is hosted by a VOLUNTEER server you can't
get anything out of it there is no money to get... Dear Lord Above!! I would
think that the persons you have a problem with are the people who are
CALLING YOU AND EMAILING YOU PRIVATELY!!!!! not mwraves

At 03:52 PM 3/4/98 -0800, jacob feierbaum wrote:
>I've tried to be patient, I've gone through the chain of command for 
>rectifying mw-raves... But the harassment of me continues... through 
>harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and yesterday, someone posted 
>a bogus picture of me on the web for all to make fun of. Here's my 
>ULTIMATUM: SHUT IT DOWN, JEFF GAGE, SHUT DOWN MW-RAVES!!!!!

then you want people to stop calling you etc etc then you POST your 
number to MWRAVES???

>I need help to carry out this legal battle, but rest assured, it will 
>set a major precedent on the Net that will help us for years to come. 
>Please call me at work (847) 842-9952 or home (847) 888-2424 if you have 
>anything you can offer to this case. I'm sorry I have to set aside PLUR 
>here and don my battle armor. It's all for the best. TO THE MAT! J.A.C. 
>(ob)

Geeze,
Get Over dude.
Jenni/Efron


Jennifer Palmer
Texas Hardcorps - Austin, Texas
Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad - Austin, Texas
-----------------------------------------------------
Texas Raves Hyperreal Web Admin
Texas Raves Calendar Admin
Texas Hardcorps DJ & Web Admin 
-----------------------------------------------------
efron@hardcorps.org - jenni@hardcorps.org


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>Anyways...i had a question. Any cool parties with trance dj's cumin up?
>
>Signing offf
>Silli ass wannabe dj


Numbers by PURE in chicago is going to have i believe 2 trance dj's.
Lessee, Kimberly Nyx, Matt Michaels.
http://www.purewpcm.com or 312-409-PURE (7873)

 --Jeff W.

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 opens up interesting moral and legal questions.
 Since DMT is illegal, as is 'any substance, compound
 or mixture' containing DMT, it would seem that we
 are all guilty of possesion of a controlled substance"
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here goes...basically what I want to say is that I am new to this list, as
in, brand new...and I apparently walked in during a period of heavy warfare
(e.g. op above ground, wilhelm k threads) and I wanted to assure that I
really am not this much of an asshole, well...prolly :) but that's another
story...

My basis for the wilhelm k flames was his seemingly...relaxed...approach to
throwing a good, well organized party.  He puts out 4 billion 50 color
flyers in 30 states booking half of NYC, but each time I've attended a
'Get' party, there's been a serious lack of substance, DJ's not showing,
sketchy spaces, lack of security, etc.  When approached about these
problems, Wilhelm did not respond...simply blowing kids off as to say
'whatever.'  So there...

Now, to address Mr. Doughboy's post from earlier today, let me make it
clear that I see no problem making money throwing a party.  NOW, making
money at the expense of the quality of the event in inexcusable.  This is
not a personal attack on you Doug, I have attended Metamorphosis and
Generator, both of which I had much fun at and no expense was spared... Our
crew recently promoted our first party, Klepton, Feb 7th in Columbus, and
it was a success.  Of course, I see it from a different standpoint than the
kids who attended, but to the best of my senses, I felt the party was a
solid one for the effort/expense/experience, so I do understand the amount
of effort going into throwin a party, so making money is merely like your
paycheck for your time.  

OK!@ this is reeeeaaaalllly long winded and stuff, but I didn't want peeps
to think I was a total cocksucker :)

anyways, peace...


.lotek
.phear------paradyme@lotek.org
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|_______jeff.

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gotta join the others and get  out.  too many people with drugs and time
on their hands.

kurt


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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> I AM SUING YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS. I HAD A CRUSH ON YOU ALL U FLAMING
> FRUITCAKES U AND NOW I AM THROUGH WITH U!

It is unfortunate that the certain foolish people with no idea of what
they are doing, from time to time take it upon themselves to challenge the
idea of free speech. This being an uncontrolled and public forum, I don't
think that anyone has much of anything to worry about. 

It is too bad that people cannot deal with criticism and feel that they
must resort of name-calling and threats. Suing anyone operating an
internet forum is patently ridiculous -- as ridiculous as me sending jake
a bill for all the time of mine he was wasted. 

But that might not be a bad idea.

> So there :p
> 
> Anyways...i had a question. Any cool parties with trance dj's cumin up?

Well, I don't know what part of the midwest you are in, but I do believe
that there is this:

FRIDAY MARCH 20       COLUMBIA, MO           TRANCEPLANT

main info:  entropy  573.443.6251
other info lines:  superstars.of.love. 314.994.1114

featuring:

ima (los angeles)
sean (los angeles)
jeremiah (santa cruz)
quest (kansas city)
henry navarro (columbia)
other dj's tba on main info line.

safe, secure BUST FREE venue:)

this party will represent all genres of trance music with three of the
best california beach party terrorists.  visuals by jason12 (kc)
sweatshop sound (stl).

---

peace,
andrew


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is anyone going to the vision party tonight in the madtown!! i havent heard
much going down.



dErEk


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This is utter crap. Mw-raves has always been unmoderated, and will remain
that way. The reaction you received was due to your action (post). If you
don't like it here, leave. It's that easy. Hell, start your own moderated
list if you want one. But it's not gonna be mw-raves@hyperreal.org.

Get it?

I publicly apologize to the mw-raves community for this crap.

jeff



On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, jacob feierbaum wrote:

> I've tried to be patient, I've gone through the chain of command for 
> rectifying mw-raves... But the harassment of me continues... through 
> harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and yesterday, someone posted 
> a bogus picture of me on the web for all to make fun of. Here's my 
> ULTIMATUM: SHUT IT DOWN, JEFF GAGE, SHUT DOWN MW-RAVES!!!!!
> 
> If by the end of tomorrow there is no action on this, as I suspect there 
> won't be, my atty-at-law, Judith Scheindlin, will be serving papers to 
> the parties responsible for hosting mw-raves.
> 
> I need help to carry out this legal battle, but rest assured, it will 
> set a major precedent on the Net that will help us for years to come. 
> Please call me at work (847) 842-9952 or home (847) 888-2424 if you have 
> anything you can offer to this case. I'm sorry I have to set aside PLUR 
> here and don my battle armor. It's all for the best. TO THE MAT! J.A.C. 
> (ob)
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________
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Ok, so i hadn't checked my mail in a while......

DAMN! I've never deleted so much shit!!

Im kinda new to this list, has this list always been like this?!!?!

--alan
--joint effort productions 
--( somethings still brewing even though the space fell through...keep
your eyes peelde kids...)






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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 02:43:54 1998
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>On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Adam Tyr wrote:
>
>> I heard about some party coming up in chicago that features Funk, 
>Deon, and Slugo.
>> 
>> Anybody hear anything about it?
>> 

On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:44:26 -0600 (CST) paul senet
<psenet@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:
>
>Don't have the flyer on me.  Its on Friday, I think, and its somewhere 
>in Chicago Heights on Halsted St. If nobody posts b4 I get home, I'll 
>repost the pertinent info
>
>			toastman
>

Ok - I don't have info on the line-up except that it's either all or
mostly bootie/ghetto house and that DJ Funk is gonna be there, but I do
have directions to the space since I am doing the sound and lighting
there.  Information is as follows...

Take I-94 East to 394 South.
Exit Lincoln HWY West.
Right on Halsted.
3 blocks to...

Ochoas Rainbow Hall - 1107 S. Halsted

I'm not sure on the admission cost, nor the start time (I think it's 8 or
9pm), but I do know it ends at 2am.  That's all the info I got...hope to
see some friendly people there 'cause I hate bootie house and I'm gonna
be bored outta my mind.  You can find me by the amp racks or light
control board.

	Joe Carroll
	Dynamic Sound & Lighting

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 02:47:52 1998
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heh.. I haven't posted to mw-raves in a looong time, but I HAD to make a
comment on how lame I thought that post was... I dunno at the same time I
thought it was pretty humerous.. hehehe awesome.

			still giggling,

				Spitfire
				Moebius Force
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 02:50:24 1998
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just to let you all know, meow mix will be this saturday march 7th in chicago.
the venue is clean, permitted and bustproof through 6am on sunday. the
afterhour details are being worked out and will most likely run till late
sunday morning. we'll post the details as we get them. presales are available
for 15 bucks at:

untitled 7734049225
revelations 4143471141
madison 6082506423

please call 3124097249 for the complete details and directions the day of.
thanks, and see you all there...

3d

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 03:11:29 1998
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thanks for that link.  I love that show. 

love
josh
ps they tricked us, we actually learned from that show, see:
http://www.sesamestreet.org/sesame/tv/season/another.htm
Is nothing sacred?  j/k :-)

Free Tibet!
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, . xotis . wrote:

> Proof: http://www.sesamestreet.org/sesame/elmopalooza/
> 
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hrm... i feel as if i've been duped...
i have a nagging feeling that this
whole thing has been a sharade (sp?)

...crawls under rock

At 03:52 PM 3/4/98 -0800, jacob feierbaum wrote:
>I've tried to be patient, I've gone through the chain of command for 
>rectifying mw-raves... But the harassment of me continues... through 
>harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and yesterday, someone posted 
>a bogus picture of me on the web for all to make fun of. Here's my 
>ULTIMATUM: SHUT IT DOWN, JEFF GAGE, SHUT DOWN MW-RAVES!!!!!
> blah blah blah

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 03:20:54 1998
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well i don't know anything about james christian, my 
original post was because i wanted to get a copy of 
the episode where anne betts was sued on judge judy. 
taxes or not, obviously somebody DID sue her for 
everyone to see on TV and they won!!! to me this says 
that she's not taking care of her business as well as 
trevor says she is. sorry for the bad judgement on who 
i thought were good promoters. 

baby c

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 03:22:34 1998
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COME ON PEOPLE! Get a CLUE! 

No one is throwing Operation Above Ground

NO ONE is suing MW-RAVES

Jacob Firebaum does NOT exist 
(whoever the hell is behind the name Jacob Firebaum, you can flame, 
threaten to sue, demand my first born... whatever you want, it will be 
deleted)

NOW JUST IGNORE IT AND IT WILL GO AWAY. It was obviously some 
disgruntled MW-RAVER who said "Hey, I am going to post something that 
will stir up a lot of controversy, because I'm bored and a moron" Well, 
A LOT OF PEOPLE FELL FOR IT, it has succeeded beyond this kid's (whoever 
the hell he is) wildest dreams! So stop getting all scared that he's 
going to sue, stop replying to him, and he will GO AWAY!

We have already lost some great members of our MW-Raves community... 
seeing Jon (earache) and Kurt (JethroX) unsubscribe from our list was 
not a pretty sight. SO STOP THIS GULLIBLE CRAP!

**** THERE IS NO OPERATION ABOVE GROUND ****
**** THERE IS NO JACOB FIREBAUM ****
**** THERE IS NO MW-RAVES LAWSUIT. (as far as I can tell ;-)) ****

Do I know who is behind all this? No... it's probably someone in 
Waukegan IL (the city with the area code that was posted) which is about 
25 miles north of Chicago... just south of the Wisconsin border. That's 
all I know.

-Craig/xotis/spree
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also, trevor says she manages 30 or so dj's with no 
problems but i've heard alot of dj's over the years have 
quit her for keeping deposits on them. i've been in the 
same room as her top dj's talking about this repeatedly.
basically i don't care either, i just want to get a copy of 
the tape so i can sell it to everyone! just kidding.

baby c 

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     the deposits are money orders made out in the artists name, she has to
get her cut of that shit from them......

    so if people god screwed by her, they need a new game 
  plan

   oh yea, i love this list, i hope everyone starts fighting more often about
meaningless crap more often, cuz i think its fuckin funny.........   lol


shameless self promotion to follow:


next time homes... :)

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All this talk about ghetto DJ's at raves... hell.. just go look for some
ghetto ass flyers in a ghetto ass rekkidshop (not gramaphones.. try George's
Music room or call up Barneys Dist... 

Really tho... bring yo ass to the west side or southside of Chicago for some
real ghetto shit. 


Not that I'd know these things... I'm from the north side...

Phil

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Wrongo!! It was General Levy's Incredible that defined the jungle soound...


Really...

I like that choon...


Phil

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anyone have thoughs on how the human body is represented on flyers, 
namely womens breasts.
Is this exploitation, is it art, is it sexist?
Is it neccesary, is it nice?
Is it the age old practice of selling a product with sexual imagery?

Do you care?

that milwaukee femi-nazi



>=}

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, PHILFART wrote:

> Wrongo!! It was General Levy's Incredible that defined the jungle soound...
> 
> 
> Really...
> 
> I like that choon...
> 
> 
> Phil
> 


What about Liquid's Liquid is Liquid? its kinda old too...and kinda
junglei


Me


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"They're called breast and everybody has them"
-Rick from the TV show Young One's


Phil

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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Misc. wrote:
> anyone have thoughs on how the human body is represented on flyers, 
> namely womens breasts.
> Is this exploitation, is it art, is it sexist?
> Is it neccesary, is it nice?
> Is it the age old practice of selling a product with sexual imagery?

	Hmm.  I dunno.  It seems (at least in my experience) that most of
the smaller, more local/underground (i know, I know) promoters don't
really use sexual imagery too much.  However, the bigger and more
commercial promoters certainly do use it to an extraordinary extent.  I
think it's just the age old tradition of "sex sells."  However, I wonder
if ravers really do react positively to female sexual images on a rave
flyer.  Mind you, I'm gay, so I can't really say the female sexual images
do anything for me at all.  Perhaps if they started putting cute guys on
flyers....

moo...
Luis


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this is going to be one hell of an april fool's joke.  this guy gave not
only his home phone number, but his work number, too!!!!!!!  it's almost
like he's asking to be fucked with.
	A VERY LAUGHING
	  PRUGH

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 05:18:13 1998
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yes...the letter was meant to be funny.  :)
a little spoof on our scene, a little sarcastic..and not meant
to be malitious...

but, i in no way want to down-play the
importance behind the meaning of
plur and it's benefit if SINCERELY
practiced...in the rave world and elswhere.

xoox,love
animal


doris wrote:
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> ummm you're kidding, right?  you do realize this is actually funny, right?
> just checkin.....
>
> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 EarthFirst@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >    How awfully judgemental for such a *PLURry* person...
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/ef
> >
> > http://members.tripod.com/~g13/420

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i've recently been told i've been acting a little out
of character lately, expressg eminotion rather than
sharing logic. I think its the time of year. at anyrate
if i've been overly hostile i apoligize. if my logic has 
failed me recently (which it has a few times) i'm 
sorry as well.  I've noticed alot of people leave 
lately because of flame wars and such, so i'm gonna
go back to the policy of ignoring shit. sometimes
its too easy to reply without thinking. 

on spelling, i've changed my mind, spelling is very
important. i think i just didn't wanna see so many
posts relating to something that people should just
do. 

um, besides that, i still don't like wilhelm k, and 
i still think plur is best defined as "people lost in
unabtainable realities" 

oh yeah, you should still be required to read 1984

dehuman - (yes, i probably am crazy...)
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In a message dated 98-03-04 18:52:49 EST, you write:

<< 
 I've tried to be patient, I've gone through the chain of command for 
 rectifying mw-raves... But the harassment of me continues... through 
 harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and yesterday, someone posted 
 a bogus picture of me on the web for all to make fun of. Here's my 
 ULTIMATUM: SHUT IT DOWN, JEFF GAGE, SHUT DOWN MW-RAVES!!!!!
 
 If by the end of tomorrow there is no action on this, as I suspect there 
 won't be, my atty-at-law, Judith Scheindlin, will be serving papers to 
 the parties responsible for hosting mw-raves.
 
 I'm sorry I have to do this to you, Jeff Gage... as I said in my email, 
 I've always admired you and you efforts, and hell, I even had a crush on 
 you (you flaming cutee candy raver boyee, you!) for awhile I can't deny. 
 BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO SHUT THIS POISONOUS MOTHERFUCKER DOWN 
 THAN I DO!!!!!!!!
 
 Just remember what confucius said Jeff, a long time ago: the ruler the 
 people hate the most is the despotic ruler, after that, the WEAK RULER!
 
 Until you guys figure out a way to moderate this list I am afraid I'll 
 have to "destroy mw-raves in order to save it".
 
 So "stand for something or fall for anything"! ARE YOU WITH ME??!!!!
 
 I need help to carry out this legal battle, but rest assured, it will 
 set a major precedent on the Net that will help us for years to come. 
 Please call me at work (847) 842-9952 or home (847) 888-2424 if you have 
 anything you can offer to this case. I'm sorry I have to set aside PLUR 
 here and don my battle armor. It's all for the best. TO THE MAT! J.A.C. 
 (ob)
 
 
 >>

PMS?? Crack addiction?  way too much free time?  Pickle up your butt?  need a
pickle up your butt? chill out!!  as much as this list pisses my off, its easy
to just ignore every single message, which is pretty much what i do.  I have
no life and way too much free time, but jesus...........

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I just picked up a few new rekkids that are definitely worth checking
out:

Moving Fusion-turbulence(sampler from forthcoming Ram records comp); this
track is incredible, probably my favorite track of the moment.  Andy
C-style hardstep, apparently this is the first release from two new
producers 
Da Lick 7;normally I don'tlike this joker sub-label, but one side has a
hip-hop style intro that is actually a slowed down sample of upside down
by Diana Ross

Roni Size-watching windows(ed rush and optical mix and DJ Die mix);
unfortunately these mixes come on seperate 12"s, but are both worth
getting.  DJ Die mix comes out slightly ahead in my opinion, but at the
moment ed rush/optical can do no wrong; IMHO.

cheers,
MINDFLUX


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 07:11:01 1998
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For those who plan on attending either Togetherness or Meow Mix this
weekend (or who want to), I'll be heading out that way from either
Columbus, OH or Kalamazoo, MI; so if anyone in between the Chi and either
of these towns wants to go, I can supply a ride.  Who knows, maybe I can
even make it to both events? :O

Oh yeah, I really need to get some rave photos for this pain-in-the-ass 2D
Design project.  Anybody have any recommendations for film/ASA?
ALternatively, if someone at one of these parties could supply me with at
least one good photo, I'd /really/ appreciate it.  I'd certainly be
willing to reward the donor with a glowstick, Blowpop, or at least hugs
and gratitude. :)

One mo thing: whoever suggested that people are wigging on the list 'cause
of midterms and whatnot, I think that's probably right.  I know I'm
totally stressing over these asinine projects and other shite.  The
solution seems obvious: go to a fookin rave!  Someone said that raves as
escapism isn't a good approach, but fuck that, I've gotta get away for
awhile.  Better to go nuckinfutz on the dancefloor than postal worker 
style.

Chill out, and PLUR for reals


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> Oh yeah, I really need to get some rave photos for this pain-in-the-ass 2D
> Design project.  Anybody have any recommendations for film/ASA?

I've heard that 1600 speed Kodak works great at parties, shot at the 
quickest ASA.  This shit is so fast that you don't need to bother
with a flash; plus you get all the definition of the lasers, etc.
I can't speak directly from experience, being that I shot a role of black
& white 1600 at Faster Pussycat Kill Kill, & upon driving home realized
that I had left my ASA wide open. The end result was two half-pictures
of Alec Empire & 26 blanks.
good luck
Russ


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>
>anyone have thoughs on how the human body is represented on flyers, 
>namely womens breasts.
>Is this exploitation, is it art, is it sexist?
>Is it neccesary, is it nice?
>Is it the age old practice of selling a product with sexual imagery?
>
>Do you care?
>
>that milwaukee femi-nazi

This brings to mind, a flier I have from Detroit. It's for a party called "Nerf", and 
features a closeup of a woman squeezing her breasts.

I thought it was hilarious, but also sexist.

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there isnt anythign wrong with the human body i think its a beautiful thing

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 09:12:38 1998
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Ok, its been a long day, kids.  I just got home.  It's a real shame that
the people who unsub from the list are for the most part those who would
have something interesting to say, but are drowned out by a bunch of
people screaming.  If I were stuck in a room like that, I'd walk out too.
But I just resubbed after 2 years and I'm gonna keep trying.

So...you want booty?  Here it is.


WORK THAT MUTHA FU
	Friday, March 6th

DJ Funk, DJ Deeon, DJ Sluggo, & DJ Urban

Ocha's Rainbow Hall
1107 S. Halsted, Chicago Heights
10PM-2AM info: 773.509.5083

Its put on by Hip House and Positive Entity


oh yeah and be sure to check out Funk tonight at +TH w/ a bunch of other
guys you've heard of


			toastman




On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 dgroove@juno.com wrote:

> 
> Ok - I don't have info on the line-up except that it's either all or
> mostly bootie/ghetto house and that DJ Funk is gonna be there, but I do
> have directions to the space since I am doing the sound and lighting
> there.  Information is as follows...
> 
> Take I-94 East to 394 South.
> Exit Lincoln HWY West.
> Right on Halsted.
> 3 blocks to...
> 
> Ochoas Rainbow Hall - 1107 S. Halsted
> 
> I'm not sure on the admission cost, nor the start time (I think it's 8 or
> 9pm), but I do know it ends at 2am.  That's all the info I got...hope to
> see some friendly people there 'cause I hate bootie house and I'm gonna
> be bored outta my mind.  You can find me by the amp racks or light
> control board.
> 
> 	Joe Carroll
> 	Dynamic Sound & Lighting
> 
> _____________________________________________________________________
> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
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Yea im looking on help with a party
Im in cleveland ohio area

i have space and i can get the Dj's
but i am lookign for soem supports and investers to invest equipment and money
into it

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 Hehehe,

  I just have to say, I find all this very amusing. All the 
abuse,sarcasm, and lawsuits. I nominate MW-raves for the next 
Jerry Springer show.

                         *claps*

                                     --Nevar



--------====<<======<<<<Feel the Vibe>>>>======>>====-------------
    The people of the world come together under ONE language. 
                    The language of Music.

http://home.winsocket.com/~Brent
brentangevine@yahoo.com


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 14:27:19 1998
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Do you know someone who is posting non rave related material on midwest
raves or are you someone who likes crossposting on lists. If so give us a
call you could be on the next show.........

AC


On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Brent Angevine wrote:

> 
>  Hehehe,
> 
>   I just have to say, I find all this very amusing. All the 
> abuse,sarcasm, and lawsuits. I nominate MW-raves for the next 
> Jerry Springer show.
> 
>                          *claps*
> 
>                                      --Nevar
> 
> 
> 
> --------====<<======<<<<Feel the Vibe>>>>======>>====-------------
>     The people of the world come together under ONE language. 
>                     The language of Music.
> 
> http://home.winsocket.com/~Brent
> brentangevine@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> 


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 14:36:51 1998
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Liquid 22 is looking to start promoting the release of their "Mass
Transit" EP available on U.S.A. Records.  This live pa is from Houston,
TX .  They've moved the mass's in New Orleans and have some unconfirmed
dates in Atlanta as well as Colorado.  Playing with likes of Doc Martin
and Ani this crowd pleaser and house rocker will not let you down. 

Listen to their EP with Real Audio at www.technogenesis.com
<http://www.technogenesis.com> 
Visit their site:  www.liquid22.com <http://www.liquid22.com> .
For booking or info please respond to
Liquidnet@aol.com <mailto:Liquidnet@aol.com>  or
andrew.espinosa@cexp.com <mailto:andrew.espinosa@cexp.com> 

Voice/pager: 281-718-3942

Thanks and peace,
Andrew

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did anyone happen to go see FatBoy Slim @ the Metro Tuesday?
jus wonderin how he was.

-mikeyD


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jacob feierbaum wrote:

> So "stand for something or fall for anything"! ARE YOU WITH ME??!!!!

WHOA! a country&western quote! this guy must be serious!

> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

...and juding by where he gets his mail from, it looks like he's got the
flo ta back it up!

*biting nails*
--aRNO
 
///////// /////////////   ////////////////////////////

yeah, thats my party piece, standing in the smoke and doing monkey 
impressions, that asking anyone who is there what film it is, 
'Gorilla's in the Mist'.  Suppose you have to be there.

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>     the deposits are money orders made out in the artists name, she has to
>get her cut of that shit from them......
>
>    so if people god screwed by her, they need a new game
>  plan
>
>   oh yea, i love this list, i hope everyone starts fighting more often about
>meaningless crap more often, cuz i think its fuckin funny.........   lol
>
>
>shameless self promotion to follow:
>
>
>next time homes... :)


I want everyone to know that I am discussing the misinformation of
Ravrfrndly <Ravrfrndly@aol.com> with him/her.

I keep reply privately to him/her and asking him/her to reply back to me
privately but they keep sending it to the list.  I apologize about that.

 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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Bookings:
     Pleasure Entertainment  (314-995-2631) : my booking agent
     trevorl@gte.net : my e-mail address
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> Oh yeah, I really need to get some rave photos for this pain-in-the-ass 2D
> Design project.  Anybody have any recommendations for film/ASA?

--ok
i just read this, but did not see the orig message, but here's my experience:
with a little automatic camera, i used 400 speed film, no tripod anything,
no flash on a lot of pics,
and i ended up with some pretty clear shots in the brightest lights from
overhead, and some blurred,
but really rich colors- if i had even a one legged tripod, i think i could
have gotten wonderful shots, not
too grainy (which is something you have to worry about with megafast film),
and without the blur from my own body's involuntary motion. if you wanna
see some results:
http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/jlbarnet/raverx/playskool.html (same pics i
posted about before)
side note: when looking at these, you may want to turn up the brightness of
your monitor, or they will seem irregularly dark...just that's hbeen my
experience on monitors unlike the one i have at home and at work...
:)
--lynn--

ps- whoever originally asked this question, email me, cus a while ago
someone else posted about taking pics, and that's on my home computer, so i
can send it to you later if you wish!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 16:49:45 1998
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Hey everybody!!


I had a pretty good weekend. Senseless fun.. with out the use of...


Phil

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Marvin Martian wrote:

> "rave will eat itself"
> think about it.

haha... is it wrong for me to connect this comment with Ron Jeremy's
appearance at Shake It??

"rave will suck itself off"

-- 
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I don't know if it's a party.. but I think it would be senseless fun if people
just started handing out fake flyers!! Hee hee! You know I would do it!!!

Phil

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jacob feierbaum wrote:

> >There are people out there who will try to take this from us, 
> >repackage and resell it to not only us but the widest audience
> >possible.
> 
> WHAT"S WRONG WITH THIS???!! EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY THIS!

everyone *is* able to enjoy this... taking things to increasingly larger
levels removes the intimacy of the event and degrades the end result...
mass production leads to an inferior product...

this scene was inspired by a desire to break away from the mainstream
and its philosophy of appealing to the lowest common denominator...
maybe you want everyone to experience these events... BUT if you have to
make fundamental changes to the parties to bring people in then,
ultimately, it does more harm than good...

> >Don't let them do it.  Stand up for what you believe in, how you
> >think things should be done... inform, educate... and yes, learn.
> 
> Craig, you have failed to educate us on anything in this communique,
> please go back and do better, I know you can do it BUDDY!!!

Jake, you have failed to learn anything from his communique.  Please go
back and re-read it.  I know you can do it, buddy.
 
> But PLEASE, lose the elitism and egotism. You didn't invent "rave", 
> and you were a newbie once yourself, so deal with it.

that's about the only part of Craig's post that I disagree with... I
think that, to an extent, 'old schoolers' memories of the way 'things
used to be' are tainted by the same inexperience that skews the
perspective of todays 'new schoolers'...

-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
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Does anyone know what a Juice card is?  I just got a flyer for Juice at H o'
Blues this friday and its free if you have a juice card.  whatever the hell
it is.  They don't just mean the flyer itself, do they?  utterly confused here.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Naveen Gumpeni/Fingaz
M+URPL people eater
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Music is our salvation, a common love we all share.
The rhythm unites our hearts and souls as one.
Together, we create a positive vibe for each other,
a gift greater than words could express...
	It is not just a passing feeling.
	More than just a party,
	It's being real...it's being human.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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hey is anyone else getting old messages from TUES??????
i just got 5 in a row......
something wierd's going on.....
is it my server or is it hyperreal?>>?

-lynn-

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At 12:46 AM 3/5/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I just picked up a few new rekkids that are definitely worth checking
>out:

well, as long as we're reccomending records, let me jump in:

John B - Visions LP 

wow!  this whole album is incredible.  I'm gonna have trouble spinning now
because I'll be tempted to do nothing but John B. records.  Anyhow, most of
the tracks are of the dark roller variety.  I know a lot of people don't
dig that sound but give this album a chance.  it _will_ change your mind.

also good is the new ed rush and optical record on virus. I just wish I had
more money to buy records.

chris

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Yeah I got them too so its not just your server.
I aint no computer whiz, but I suspect its a cyber-virus that I always
hear about infecting computing machines such as these.

Adam Meadows

On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, J. Lynn Barnett wrote:

> hey is anyone else getting old messages from TUES??????
> i just got 5 in a row......
> something wierd's going on.....
> is it my server or is it hyperreal?>>?
>
> -lynn-
>



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 17:41:56 1998
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At 4:19 PM -0600 3/4/98, eric steenz wrote:
>Anyone have matter's new email addy in Boulder? or any info on how to
>contact a member of the TRUST crew????

I am still alive... Apologies for not writing people individually, I have
been moving and shaking... mw withdrawal, me thinks. ;p if anybody's trying
to find me or you're just pissed cause I haven't wrote you... hit my dense
ass with an e mail, please. :) Love and miss you kidz.

pPpLlLUuUrRr,
 m

Some places where you may find me...
	vrave (hyperreal.org:7283)
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At 9:08 AM -0600 3/5/98, aRNOaRR4 wrote:
>jacob feierbaum wrote:
>> So "stand for something or fall for anything"! ARE YOU WITH ME??!!!!
>WHOA! a country&western quote! this guy must be serious

So, I guess you know that song, eh?

*giggles*

BTW, I am also quite tempted to sue hyperreal for hosting mw-raves and
fucking up my love life... Ever since I've joined this list, I can't keep
an interest in women... even beautiful voluptuous women... I think my posts
and the content of this list is making me gay. Electronically induced
sexual preference adjustments... the turn of the century is an amazing
time, eh? ;p

Peace,
 m

Some places where you may find me...
	vrave (hyperreal.org:7283)
	ICQ# 6627170
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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:01:09 -0600 "J. Lynn Barnett"
<jlbarnet@cctr.umkc.edu> writes:
>hey is anyone else getting old messages from TUES??????
>i just got 5 in a row......
>something weird's going on.....
>is it my server or is it hyperreal?>>?

i'm getting that too.  what's up?

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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 02:25:47 -0600 (CST) ericn@ix.netcom.com (Eric)
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>This brings to mind, a flier I have from Detroit. It's for a party 
>called "Nerf", and 
>features a closeup of a woman squeezing her breasts.
>
>I thought it was hilarious, but also sexist.

this reminded me of a party, i think in columbus, that showed a girl
fisting herself.  it was very unpleasant to look at, like a closeup of a
spider in a national geographic.  revolting, but i didn't find it to be
very offensive.

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ugh!  i think detroit should win the award for putting women in nasty
poses on flyers anyway!!  yea i remember nerf, that wasn;t even all 
that bad.  anybody remember "suck"? with a name like suck,
go figure what the flyer looked like...  or "real deep"?  hm, nice picture
of woman bent over fisting herself.  i mean come on!  skimpily-dressed
big-boobed nipply japanimation chicks are one thing, but THAT is just bad
taste!

> >
> >anyone have thoughs on how the human body is represented on flyers, 
> >namely womens breasts.
> >Is this exploitation, is it art, is it sexist?
> >Is it neccesary, is it nice?
> >Is it the age old practice of selling a product with sexual imagery?
> >
> >Do you care?
> >
> >that milwaukee femi-nazi
> 
> This brings to mind, a flier I have from Detroit. It's for a party called
> "Nerf", and 
> features a closeup of a woman squeezing her breasts.
> 
> I thought it was hilarious, but also sexist.
> 
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doris wrote:

> ugh!  i think detroit should win the award for putting women in nasty
> poses on flyers anyway!!  yea i remember nerf, that wasn;t even all
> that bad.

yeah, i couldn't even tell what was on the nerf flyer until i took a good look
at it.

chris


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Thanks to those ewho replied to my original question about rave photos.
Unfortunately, it's not really convenient for me to bring a decent camera,
so I was going to try to get away with as small/lightweight camera as I
could (e.g., simple 35mm with no telephoto or anything, or maybe even a
disposable).  This leaves very simple questions to deal with (flash or no
flash, 400/Max/200, whatever).  Thanks for the advice on 1600 ASA, though.
This should come in handy if I ever /can/ get a decent camera to a party.

Anyone tried any cool stuff like Kirlian (sp?) photography or cool motion
blur effects on the dancefloor?


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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Misc. wrote:

> 
> 
> anyone have thoughs on how the human body is represented on flyers, 
> namely womens breasts.
> Is this exploitation, is it art, is it sexist?
> Is it neccesary, is it nice?
> Is it the age old practice of selling a product with sexual imagery?
> 
> Do you care?

from a practical point of view. Of course they are using he female body to
sell there parties now....it was just a matter of time.  Neccesary?  Well
nothing is neccesary. Nice, well if you would either find it flattering or
offensive, depending on you.
>From an artistic point of view the female breat is one of the most
asthetically pleasing forms around. To both men and women. So it can make
sense in a composition. Is it shovinest?(sp?!!!??) yup....but so am I.  I
do think it should only be used if it has something to do with the party
concept....hey party concept?  whats that?....whatever happened to pary
concepts anyway?

-dan
 


> 
> that milwaukee femi-nazi
> 
> 
> 
> >=}
> 


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You know, da-human-izer  is right, everyone should read 1984.  They
would then know that this list has become my "Room 101," i.e. the most
painful thing to deal with - subjects keep changing to fast for me to
keep up with new filters.  If only *I* had a Julia onto which I could
foist my 'raves-incoming' mail folder...afterall, we all admit our guilt
in the end.

dehumanizer wrote:

> oh yeah, you should still be required to read 1984



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 05 19:13:00 1998
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excuse me but this is THE FIRST post i've made since
you have asked me, quit trying to blackball me to save 
your bookings. and yes i've checked my resources and 
some of the dj's you post on your list have recently quit 
her for NOT getting their deposits. 

trevor, you need to go back and check your OWN info. 
and quit trying to save your bookings by covering up 
anne's bullshit business practices. 

this will be my LAST post on the issue to trevor OR the list,
sorry if people don't care weather they're getting screwed 
or not. 

BY THE WAY, I DID GET THE VIDEO OF ANNE ON JUDGE
JUDY! (if anyone wants a copy email me privately)

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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:03:26 -0500 (EST) Todd Moody
<x7moody@lab2.cc.wmich.edu> writes:

>Thanks to those ewho replied to my original question about rave photos.
>Unfortunately, it's not really convenient for me to bring a decent
camera,
>so I was going to try to get away with as small/lightweight camera as 
>I could (e.g., simple 35mm with no telephoto or anything, or maybe even 
>a disposable).  This leaves very simple questions to deal with (flash or

>no flash, 400/Max/200, whatever).  Thanks for the advice on 1600 ASA, 
>though. This should come in handy if I ever /can/ get a decent camera to
a 
>party.

Fuji makes a decent disposable which uses ASA 800 film.  I have used this
camera for taking pics at parties on several occasions.  However - don't
expect really good pictures from it.  And definitely don't expect good
pictures from cheaper disposables.

Agfa make a nice "weatherproof" disposable which uses ASA 800.  Great for
Furthur and other campout parties.


Some hints for getting decent pics from a disposable camera at raves:

-Get one which uses ASA 400 or faster - 800 is the max I've seen in a
disposable and  is strongly recommended.

-Always make sure your flash is charged - the Fuji disposable has a dual
purpose  flash charge button which can be pressed to charge once, or you
can flip the hinged  button out, so that it is always charging.

-Fog is evil for taking pictures when you have a weak flash like those on
disposable  cameras.  Take your pictures when the fog is thin or
non-existent. 

-Disposable cameras have plastic lenses and weak flashes.  They don't
really work  well in the rave environment.  Even the cheapest of  "real"
cameras will take better  pictures.  Generic fixed focus cameras start at
around $20 and if it breaks or gets lost  it's no big deal.  For between
$50 to $100 you can get a nice, basic, auto focus,  fully-automatic,
compact camera.  I recommend the Kodak Cameo AF.  It sells for  about 
$60.  You can get one at any Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Walgreens, etc...  I used
to take  pictures for Massive, and this is what I used most of the time. 
For $100+ you can get a  very nice, compact, fully auto camera like an
Olympus Infinity or Nikon Lite Touch Zoom  both which are very solid
low-priced cameras which take excellent pictures for their  price range
and if taken care of, should be all you'll ever need.

Happy photography...

          -Joe

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>
>get laid.
>
>it does a world of good.  When I get like you are right now, it really
>helps.
>I mean COME ON.  Arguments about grammer, spelling, and religion?  I 
get
>enough of this at school.  My rave world and my school world never ever 
cross. 

Hi Josh,

For me, Rave world is a way to unwind and I have been lucky that my rave 
world and school world / work world have not crossed.  What's the point 
of having an escape -- if it is no escape.

Question I used to ask when we worked our asses off running a BBS.

C.T.

"If Life is a bowel of cherries than why haven't I seen the pits?"

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>
>but with the classics, i think it is different. take for example bugs
>bunny. there are many cultural, historical, and social references that 
i
>know i didnt catch when i was young. i think that if the cartoon is a
>classic, then the enjoyment of it can be taken to a whole new level 
>when you get older.

True. I still enjoy The Flitstones... but my current favorite, 
especially after a party is "Pinky and the Brain".

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     Hey folks, a newbie to the area but not the scene.
     
     Used to hail from Raleigh, NC, part of Lifted Productions if ya know 
     the name.  Residing in Chicago now, and I'm ready to party.
     
     I'm thinking of going to Meow Mix and I was hoping to meet people.  
     I'll be wearing a white lab coat...  long brown hair, male, 6' 
     probably on the dance floor :)
     
     If anyone is going and needs a ride, I have a car and I live around 
     North Clark Street and Fullerton(Park West Apts).
     
     Hope to meet ya
     
     -giles

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:35:01 -0500
From: Lisa_M_Taillefer@armstrong.com
To: hcrum@students.uiuc.edu
Cc: joffemat@pilot.msu.edu
Subject: response from an expatriot


hannah, thanks a million for forwarding this.  it is excellent to hear from a
fellow mw-raves expat, and joff, I really share your beliefs on the scene and on
the Chicago dj/promoters in particular.  I have moved on from mw-raves and in
the years that I was involved with the mw scene (and the year since) I learned
alot about raving, music, clubbing and people in general.  Ultimately, you find
out who are the true believers, movers and shakers - who support the scene and
make it thrive.  Pure is certainly one of these factions - and keeps the honour
and respect in the CHICAGO scene, almost single-handedly.  Props to you.   As
for Mike Dearborn and Majesty - it is unfortunate that Chicago is such a motley
crue of mostly fair-weather ravers, and as a result Majesty needed to focus on
the music more and let go of the parties.  but Mike will always know his shit
better than almost anyone. With the focus now completely on  the progression of
the label and it's music, we can look forward to some of the most innovative
music coming from that end of town - please support this excellent label and
stop disrespecting this knowledgable source.  chicago seems to be callous enough
not to recognize someone who has really achieved international acclaim in the
field.   and of course, dan efex will always be dan efex.  he is wicked, and
Chicago really has a gem in having him as a hometown hero - I will never
understand why the city doesn't branch out it's listening into other forms of
music like trance.

my final words are this:  I have been around long enough and lived in enough
cities now to understand that Chicago has a systemic weakness:  the callous
behaviour towards partying, raving and the music.  remember your scene is really
only as strong as the weakest link.  there are other cities who have gone thru
abyssmal or stagnant times in terms of the scene, and that is to be expected,
but put your heart in what you do and encourage others to have that same type of
commitment.   You can make Chicago develop it's scene to rival that of san fran,
toronto, london, or elsewhere.   But above all, listen to the music.   I have
learned more from actively listening to the tunes and educating myself around
the sounds, than I have EVER learned simply by going to parties or being a
passive listener.

Joff, ultimately we are left with the ability to say that we both contributed to
the scene by throwing parties that were true to the spirit of raving and
showcased some of the best djs around.  I for one am very proud of this
contribution, and the joint-city partnership we were able to pull off, against
all odds.

go go girl lisa



ps. hannah, I'd appreciate it if you could forward this onto the mw-rave list.













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everyone's leaving!

finally, no more of this 100,000 messages per day shite!


+++++++++++ jon/dica +++++++++++ jabraun@students.wisc.edu ++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++ rinsin' out every thursday, 12-2am central time at http://www.msr.org ++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++ i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" +++++++++++++++++++

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>now i have a couple of questions about throwing parties, well spaces in
>particular. is there a ratio of square feet to capacity number? does
>anybody know what it is? and would it make sense to go to a real estate
>agency with industrial properties asking about renting a warehouse or
>similar building? i just had that idea + i don't know if it would be bad
>or good.

capacity is based on the number of fire exits, parking for the building,
and yes, size.

the city zoning board usually is the one that can tell you, but i think the
fire inspector decides it.


+++++++++++ jon/dica +++++++++++ jabraun@students.wisc.edu ++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++ rinsin' out every thursday, 12-2am central time at http://www.msr.org ++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++ i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" +++++++++++++++++++

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At 01:57 PM 3/5/98 -0600, ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:

>     Hey folks, a newbie to the area but not the scene.

yer doomed...leave now while you can. this is an evil place...turn around 
and go far away from here....go and never look back.



Gip



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At 02:18 PM 3/5/98 -0600, dica! wrote:

>everyone's leaving!
>finally, no more of this 100,000 messages per day shite!

yeah but now my inane comments might be more noticable. *shrug*  well maybe not.

>++++++++++++++++++ i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" 

ok call me stupid or whatever but i just noticed that dica spelled the other 
way around is acid.  now, i may not be the sharpest knife in the 
drawer...but i sure am slow.


Gip


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Nope, i don't care.  I do not have a fixation on women's breasts and I
just ignore it.  The belly on the other hand....  wooo hoo!  let me see
that navel!

love
josh

Free Tibet!
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http://www.milarepa.org

On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Misc. wrote:

> 
> 
> anyone have thoughs on how the human body is represented on flyers, 
> namely womens breasts.
> Is this exploitation, is it art, is it sexist?
> Is it neccesary, is it nice?
> Is it the age old practice of selling a product with sexual imagery?
> 
> Do you care?
> 
> that milwaukee femi-nazi
> 
> 
> 
> >=}
> 


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>From: DEEJAY3D <DEEJAY3D@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:38:22 EST
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>
>spread the word, it's in chicago
>
>

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the MEOW MIX after hours info line is: 
847-992-3505

as for MEOW MIX everything is set and ready to go - as dave mentioned,
pre-sale tickets are available for $15 at the following locations:
nice musique - madison (through thursday only)
revolutions - milwaukee (through saturday)
untitled & level - chicago (through saturday)

info lines for MEOW MIX are 414-297-9667 and 312-409-7249

also, DJ CASPER has been added to the bill + 1 more special guest TBA

peace

mike


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Weird. Appears to be an isolated incident... probably some weird network
mailserver latency.

jg


On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, J. Lynn Barnett wrote:

> hey is anyone else getting old messages from TUES??????
> i just got 5 in a row......
> something wierd's going on.....
> is it my server or is it hyperreal?>>?
> 
> -lynn-
> 
> ****************************************************************
> "Sometimes you sulk, sometimes you burn..."
> -Radiohead
> next destination: HOUSTON
> http://cctr.umkc.edu/user/jlbarnet/index1.html
> 
> 

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Jeff Gage                                            gage@hyperreal.org

              Are you an anomaly or perhaps an algorithm?

http://www.hyperreal.org/~gage        for://ward.the.new/rev/olut.ion!


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Is this out? I've got this one on order... both of the singles are totally
tearin'.

I'm also totally grooving on a Prisoners of Technology single that has a
track called "Breakdance"

jeff


On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, (chris ege) wrote:

> John B - Visions LP 
> 
> wow!  this whole album is incredible.  I'm gonna have trouble spinning now
> because I'll be tempted to do nothing but John B. records.  Anyhow, most of
> the tracks are of the dark roller variety.  I know a lot of people don't
> dig that sound but give this album a chance.  it _will_ change your mind.


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hey all, 

i checked out the flyer for Numbers in Chicago 3.14 (Pure is throwing it)...
anyways, i was wondering if anyone in the know could tell me if their "45
minutes outside of Chicago" location will be accessable via train...

sounds like a phat night, so i wouldn't want to miss it on account of not
getting a ride.

cheers
Blue

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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Adam Leon Meadows wrote:

> Yeah I got them too so its not just your server.
> I aint no computer whiz, but I suspect its a cyber-virus that I always
> hear about infecting computing machines such as these.

Doubt it. Infected mailservers are rare, and they don't do this. This
looks like a message was trapped behind a netlink that went down for a
couple days.

jeff


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In a message dated 98-03-05 03:27:08 EST, you write:

> This brings to mind, a flier I have from Detroit. It's for a party called "
> Nerf", and 
>  features a closeup of a woman squeezing her breasts.
>  
>  I thought it was hilarious, but also sexist.

is it just me, or are these kind of flyers a Detroit trademark??  i have one
called "Detroit Squeeze"

cheers
Blue

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[Jeff Gage <gage@hyperreal.org>]
> 
> Is this out? I've got this one on order... both of the singles are totally
> tearin'.

yep, it's out.
fuckin good, too...

-- 
matt hellige       neoglyphics media corporation
hellige@neog.com   http://www.neog.com

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>>>begin quote>>>>>>>
ugh!  i think detroit should win the award for putting women in nasty poses
on flyers anyway!!  yea i remember nerf, that wasn;t even all  that bad. 
anybody remember "suck"? with a name like suck, go figure what the flyer
looked like...  
>>>end quote>>>>>>>>>

NERF .. at first glance, it didn't realize what it was either .. Lars from
mtv's real world spun at that party ;) ..  that was an excellent party IMO
. 

SUCK .. that flyer was awsome .. very amusing .. one of my all time
favorite flyers ;) .. the woman shown in a position of power  ;) .. haha ..
i guess it's how you look at it ;) .. 



>>>>begin quote>>>>>>>>
or "real deep"?  hm, nice picture of woman bent over fisting herself.  i
mean come on!  skimpily-dressed big-boobed nipply japanimation chicks are
one thing, but THAT is just bad taste!
>>>>end quote>>>>>>>>

.. i agree here .. nothing amusing about violence .. definate turn-off ..
personnally, i wouldn't take the party seriously, therefore i would not go
. 

just my opinions .. 

see ya!

art

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well, im usually not one to jump on the proverbial bandwagon (whatever it
may be at any given time), but i think i must follow those who have
already lead the way...

the way out the door and off this list, that is.

instead of flaming all you cheap shot, ill-mannered, un-witty, and wholey
unintelligent pieces of shit (there, take that comment as my flame to you
all - you know who you are), im simply gonna exit stage right and bid you
all a fine farewell.

those who have their shit in check and know whats up (if theres even
anyone still like that on this list), please take a moment to drop me a
quick e.mail with your addy and other contact info so i dont lose touch.

even if you think i already have it, cuz i prolly dont. ;)

thanks...

ok, im gonna go eat and see what kinda bullshit generates in 20 minutes
or so and then un.fukking.sub.

*hugs.n.breakbeats*

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> 
> the way out the door and off this list, that is.

quitters,
all yous

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>Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:46:09 -0600 (CST)
>From: Zoki Stancevic <Zorica.Stancevic-1@tc.umn.edu>
>To: "C.T. Newman" <newboy0797@hotmail.com>
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>
>> 
>> True. I still enjoy The Flitstones... but my current favorite, 
>> especially after a party is "Pinky and the Brain".
>> 
>> C.T. 
>> 
>agreed. pinky and the brain is the bomb.:)
>
>.zoki.

Friend in Chicago says somebody is trying to MIX the theme from Pinky 
and the Brain.  Hope he's kidding.  Remember that Seaseme Street mix of 
about five years ago? <yuck!>

Somebody pleaz tell me that's a JOKE -- please....


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welcome!


ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:
> 
>      Hey folks, a newbie to the area but not the scene.
> 
>      Used to hail from Raleigh, NC, part of Lifted Productions if ya know
>      the name.  Residing in Chicago now, and I'm ready to party.
> 
>      I'm thinking of going to Meow Mix and I was hoping to meet people.
>      I'll be wearing a white lab coat...  long brown hair, male, 6'
>      probably on the dance floor :)
> 
>      If anyone is going and needs a ride, I have a car and I live around
>      North Clark Street and Fullerton(Park West Apts).
> 
>      Hope to meet ya
> 
>      -giles

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if sex sells why don't
	we see more men with big bulges or nice tight 
	asses in bikinis?

	women..if somebody is gonna not date you because
	you don't have big breasts, don't even waist
	your time thinking about it because those guys
	aren't worth dating.



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> hehehehe i really think this is true and have some *proof*
> i have always always always like grover 
> ever since i can remember.....
> and hmmmm 
> elevator up
> elevator down
> ironically
> i am bipolar too :)
> we stick together us ... *crazies* 
> murahahahahaha
> actually this brings up an issue *rave-related*  
> how many of you people are afflicted or know someone in the *Scene* 
> afflicted with a *mental disorder*...???
> seemingly i know LOTS..
> is there a corilation?
> 
> 
> 
> marianne
> *see no evil, hear no evil*
> 



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woah, my nick name is grover=20


- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 06 02:27:42 1998
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In a message dated 98-03-05 11:50:55 EST, you write:

> Marvin Martian wrote:
>  
>  > "rave will eat itself"
>  > think about it.


I can't stop thinking about that nutty band Pop Will Eat Itself now, you
bastard!!!!!!!
PWEI is in the house !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace out
Doug (dize)

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i stole this from another list but its quite relevant *i think* to the state
we are in :)
peace ya'll
marianne




Q: How manymw-raver list subscribers does it take to change a light
bulb?
A: 1,331:
        1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that the
light bulb has been changed.
        14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how
the light bulb could have been changed differently.
        7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
        27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing
light bulbs.
        53 to flame the spell checkers
        156 to write to the list administrator complaining about
        the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this
        mail list.

        41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
        109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to
please
        take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
        203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling
and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.
        111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use
light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list.
        306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior,
where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best
for this technique, and what brands are faulty.
        27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different
        light bulbs

        14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post
corrected URLs.
        3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are
        relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to
        this list.

        33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including all
headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."
        12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they
cannot handle the light bulb controversy.
        19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."
        4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
        1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.
        47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant
for, leave it here.
        143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
<end>
I, who should have know better, posted a followup of a few bits I
thought
were missing from the list

        You forgot a few:
        27 to post in HTML because they are using the IE or Netscape
        that had it turned on by default and are too clueless to
        look

        48 to complain about the HTML posts
        27 to post 'sorry I didn't realize it was on'-in HTML
        96 to complain about more HTML and post detailed instructions
        on how to change the setting

        58 to mumble something about using a web browser to read mail
        12 MIME posts with useless colors and bolds saying thanks
        for the help with the HTML mail

        1 to post a GIF/JPG of the lightbulb hanging too close to their
digital camera.
        1 complaint from the guy using /usr/ucb/Mail who wants to
        know what the *@&(%$!@ has been going on
        58 to complain about the binary post
        74 to say they liked the binary and didn't mind it
        1 post about how you can MAKE MONEY FAST!!!!! by selling
lightbulbs and this report available for only $5.
        1328 to reply to the list with the full spam attached and
        then put 'remove' at the end
        3 to flame the other morons for replying to the spammer
        and CCing the list

        1 from the list admin notifying that the list is looking
        for a bigger server to handle the load

There have now been several followups:
        "How did I get on this list?"
        "How do I get off this list?"
"REMOVE"
"REMOVE
UNSUB
        SIGNOFF
        REMOVE
        TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST"


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In a message dated 98-03-05 18:33:30 EST, you write:

> > 
>  > the way out the door and off this list, that is.
>  
>  quitters,
>  all yous

Yeah.............. friggin' punx

peace
Doug (dize)

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yes, the john b album is now out.

>I'm also totally grooving on a Prisoners of Technology single that has a
>track called "Breakdance"

me too!  it's not as good as the last freshkutt release... but it's
definitely good.  best label around, jump-up wise, imo.


+++++++++++ jon/dica +++++++++++ jabraun@students.wisc.edu ++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++ rinsin' out every thursday, 12-2am central time at http://www.msr.org ++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++ i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" +++++++++++++++++++

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>From: RAINEFALL <RAINEFALL@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:06:10 EST
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>Attention all Midwest Junglists-
>  
>    Friday, May 15, Chicago City, Heart and Soul and Sequence present 
>Electric Kool-Aid featuring:
>
> The Mighty DJ Kane ( Renegade Hardware, Trouble on Vinyl).  
>
>This is his first stop in a series of dates throughout the US.
>  
>Also on the night:
>MC Brace, formerly of the JVC, Minneapolis
>DJ 3D
>DJ Flow
>DJ RY-N
>plus more to be announced
>
>Stay in tune at 312.409.3422/ 847.622.3844
>
>
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+++++++++++ jon/dica +++++++++++ jabraun@students.wisc.edu ++++++++++++++++
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++ rinsin' out every thursday, 12-2am central time at http://www.msr.org ++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++ i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" +++++++++++++++++++

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>>Also on the night:
>>MC Brace, formerly of the JVC, Minneapolis
            ^^^^^^^^
I've heard many rumors floating arround that the JVC has broken up, can 
anyone confirm this? If this is true, is *ANYONE* throwing parties on a 
regular basis in Minneapolis? Is it just me, or does the scene in Mpls 
kinda suck right now... oh well, maybe it will pick up soon :-)

-Craig/xotis

>>DJ 3D
>>DJ Flow
>>DJ RY-N
>>plus more to be announced
>>
>>Stay in tune at 312.409.3422/ 847.622.3844


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On April 18th, 1998 WRVU and family want you to...

	REMEMBER

Bringing together our friends and family, some=20
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---------------
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A full floor of cushion for you to chill back=20
and enjoy the hypnotic vibes of...
91 Noise Crew (WRVU, Nashville)
Tig (Assembly Required, Nashville)
Ambivouac (Mystical Creations, Nashville)

*****LINEUP IS 100% CONFIRMED*****

---------------
Da Venue
---------------
The James E. Ward Agricultural Center (Lebanon, TN)
This is an outdoor fairgrounds with ALL INDOOR BUILDINGS=09
This event with be held rain or shine and you will stay dry
Please dress accordingly (weather in TN is so unpredictable)
**Venue is 30 minutes East of Nashville**
>From Nashville:  	I-40 East 28 miles to Hwy 70 west (Exit 239B)
			James E. Ward Center is 1 mile on right
>From Alabama:		I-65 North to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville
>From Kentucky:	I-65 South to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville
>From Knoxville:	I-40 West to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville
>From Memphis:		I-40 West to Hwy 70 west (Exit 239B)
			James E. Ward Center is 1 mile on right
>From Atlanta:		Get to Chatanooga and follow I-24 W to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville

---------------
Da Price
---------------
$15.00 Admission at the gate (no pre-sale)
All profits benefit the non-profit radio station WRVU
Gates open at 8pm and close at 8am
All Ages until Midnight - 18+ after midnight

----------------
Da Technical Stuff
---------------
Sound and Lighting Provided by Crescent City Sound and Lights (New Orleans)
Visuals provided by Optimystiq

----------------
Da Free Stuff
---------------
Since we are a radio station, we do have lots of friends in the business.
So we managed to gather a mountain of free CDs, T-shirts, records, stickers,
posters, and other stuff that is 100% free.
Much love going out to our friends at:
	Jellybean*Def Jam*Loud*Jive*Mercury*Noo Trybe*OM
	Columbia*Work*Hardkiss*Concentrated Entertainment
	Cajual*Elektra*Hooligan Music*Subliminal*Definitive
	Metalheadz*Spectre*Chippie*BML*Universal*NovaMute

---------------
Da Info-Line
---------------
WRVU:	615-343-7816
**This is important to check weekly**
**This lineup is not complete=85more names will be added**
Assembly Required: 615-780-2909

---------------
Da Other Stuff
---------------
I will be posting hotel information in upcoming weeks
There will be a monster pre-party held at 176 Underground in downtown
Nashville
Lineup Confirmed thus far for April 17th Pre-Party: =20
	Tony B! (Int=92l Hooligans, Los Angeles)
	DJ Orlando (Int=92l Hooligans, Los Angeles)
	DJ Midimack (UC Music, Chicago)
	J-Live **Live Performance** (Payday/Rawshack, NYC)

Vendors interested in setting up shop at Remember=20
please contact me at 615-298-0142

Support those who support you


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 06 04:39:49 1998
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tonight on WSUM madison student radio:

12am-1am central time :  special guest dj gecko spinning house (hey, he's
our roommate!)
1am-2am: dica spinning jungle - probably dark bizness tonight

thats http://www.msr.org from midnight til 2am central time.  good, clean
fun.  (and simpsons samples too)

chris

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On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 19:11:52 PST ". xotis ." <xotis@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>>Also on the night:
>>>MC Brace, formerly of the JVC, Minneapolis
>            ^^^^^^^^
>I've heard many rumors floating arround that the JVC has broken up, 
>can 
>anyone confirm this? If this is true, is *ANYONE* throwing parties on 
>a 
>regular basis in Minneapolis? Is it just me, or does the scene in Mpls 
>
>kinda suck right now... oh well, maybe it will pick up soon :-)
>

unfortunately this isn't just a rumor.  unless something drastic happens
the JVC is no more.  apparently a combination of being in debt and
internal conflicts.  I have a feeling that they will continue in a much
smaller more subdued form w/ a different name though it may be a while b4
that happens.

cheers,
MINDFLUX


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woah! shouts out to southafrika at the end of dica's set... damn :)
(i'm southafrikan)                word to you guys, neat show :)

-lion _lager_ gv / ltk

At 10:36 PM 3/5/98 -0600, \(chris ege\) wrote:
>
>tonight on WSUM madison student radio:
>
>12am-1am central time :  special guest dj gecko spinning house (hey, he's
>our roommate!)
>1am-2am: dica spinning jungle - probably dark bizness tonight
>
>thats http://www.msr.org from midnight til 2am central time.  good, clean
>fun.  (and simpsons samples too)
>
>chris
>
>
- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, ANIMAL wrote:

> if sex sells why don't
> 	we see more men with big bulges or nice tight 
> 	asses in bikinis?

	Because heterosexual men yield the largest amount of money in
these sorts of advertising campaigns.  Mind you, people are just beginning
to appreciate the sexual gullibilly of the gay male population...

Luis


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In a message dated 98-03-05 12:42:13 EST, matter@internetmci.com writes:

<<  I think my dad
 and my gay brother of this list is making me gay >>

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 06 16:29:14 1998
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Another yet sullable reason is There are about 75% men who like women and
about 35% women who liek women and most women would rather have the picture of
the women on anyway because it means they have authority over the flyer
peace y0

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 06 16:43:18 1998
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open someones mind today.

http://www.tobacco.com


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Look...

I'm sick of the extreme negativity of some individuals posts, lately.

I am awfully tempted to unsub too...

Chill out, be considerate and if you don't have something nice to say, shut up.

Wouldn't it be nice to get 1/4 of the mail from this damn list or at least,
just the good stuff?

Peace,
 m

Some places where you may find me...
	vrave (hyperreal.org:7283)
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 06 17:07:58 1998
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I'm a little new to this list so flame me if you like, but for a scene
that preaches PLUR, I don't tend to see a lot of that.  Practice what
you preach, especially the respect part.  Just because people  don't
like what you like, doesn't mean there bad.  Also don't take the things
said on these list personally, other wise you'll fall apart.  I mean I
don't know you and you don't really know me and we may never meet
(specially since I live in Houston).  So be kind and keep it real.

Peace,
Andrew
Liquid 22

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	matter [SMTP:matter@internetmci.com]
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	To:	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
	Subject:	Positivity.


	Look...

	I'm sick of the extreme negativity of some individuals posts,
lately.

	I am awfully tempted to unsub too...

	Chill out, be considerate and if you don't have something nice
to say, shut up.

	Wouldn't it be nice to get 1/4 of the mail from this damn list
or at least,
	just the good stuff?

	Peace,
	 m

	Some places where you may find me...
		vrave (hyperreal.org:7283)
		ICQ# 6627170
		http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/5623
	

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 06 17:28:16 1998
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Just when this mailing list starts turning people gay, everyone is
arguing, and everyone else unsubbing like it's the plague....I'm baaaaack.

I got off the list about a year ago, but I decided I'd rejoin all you
losers
to see what's happening now in the Midwest.

What happened to all the Champaign/Urbana people?  And who is now
on here from St. Louis?  When did Jawsh get unbanned?  I guess it's
time to go read the archives....

---ben / Cylert

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     As a newbiew to this list, but not to rave lists in general, it seems 
     that its par for the course.  I ran the seraves list for 2 years and 
     things went in cycles.  We lost some good people who finally got 
     really fed up, and then awhile later things got better.  We had about 
     50 posts a day and I typically skipped about 35.  I guess ya just have 
     to have good blinders.
     
     -Giles


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Look...
     
I'm sick of the extreme negativity of some individuals posts, lately.
     
I am awfully tempted to unsub too...
     
Chill out, be considerate and if you don't have something nice to say, shut up.
     
Wouldn't it be nice to get 1/4 of the mail from this damn list or at least, 
just the good stuff?
     
Peace,
 m
     
Some places where you may find me...
 vrave (hyperreal.org:7283)
 ICQ# 6627170
 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/5623
     
     

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     A practice we all had in the good ole South was Net Meets.  Ie a time 
     and place for people to get together.  Sometimes we had good 
     attendance, sometimes not.  It was a good way to put faces to names.
     
     Does this happend around here?  If so, is there a meeting setup for 
     Meow Mix?  If not, anyone want to start one?  I don't know anything 
     about the venue, but generally 1:00 or 1:30 was a good time for us.  
     Any takers?

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someone might be interested

-mikeD
 
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> > how many of you people are afflicted or know someone in the *Scene* 
> > afflicted with a *mental disorder*...???
> > seemingly i know LOTS..
> > is there a corilation?

I think a more appropriate question would be how many do I know
_without_ some sort of mental disorder.  My personal belief is that
this whole country is fuckin' nuts, but raves in general tend to 
attract those of us on the higher (or lower) ends of the neurotic
spectrum.  There is a definite correlation between this and the high
levels of substance abuse within the scene, combined with the setting
in which these substances are taken.  For more on this thread, look
for my piece in the next issue of Massive (not this month's but the 
one after). 
peace & hair grease
Russ


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I think they meant it for the hetero females, not the homosexual males.
Ya think?  Correct me if I'm wrong.  

I do have to say, though, flyers w/ untasteful material really turns me
off to a party, no matter who's playing.  It just makes the party seem
more along the lines of a club type deal; that's just me, though.  It
just brings the whole "meat market" feeling to it.  I mean, if someone
who didn't know too much about raves, saw the flyer, he/she might get
the wrong idea.  We've had enough of that.

(mops up brain fluid)
O:)

> ----------
> From: 	Luis-Manuel Garcia[SMTP:luigarci@indiana.edu]
> Sent: 	 March 06, 1998 9:48AM
> Cc: 	mw raves
> Subject: 	Re: so you want controversy...
> 
> 
> Mind you, people are just beginning to appreciate the sexual
> gullibilly of the gay male population...
> 
> Luis
> 

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The audio project I've been working on is now running again.  We're 
simply sending some streaming audio out the system to test it for a few 
days while we try various things.  If you'd like to listen to what we're 
sending check http://radiodistortion.com:7070/test.rm.  I'm playing Art 
of Noise on a looped CD right now.

I'm thinking of coming back late this afternoon and testing out the mixer 
and turntable set up so I'll drop a message back here to let everyone 
know if I'm spinning or not.

Hopefully within the next couple of weeks we'll have a full-on web site 
put together and a fleshed out DJ schedule.  The music will range from 
techno, jazz, ambient, goth, polka, classical and a few talk radio 
formats as well.  This schedule will eventually be found at 
http://radiodistortion.com.

One of the things we'd like to do eventually is have DJs around the world 
send an encoded stream of audio at our server for us to play out to the 
rest of the 'net.  If you know of anyone or are interested in being part 
of this let me know and I'll tell you what you'd need on your end of 
things.  Also, we're in need of DJs who can come in to do live shows in 
our studio in Milwaukee.  Again, if you're interested drop me a line to 
tell me what you spin, how long you'd like to play and when.

So give a listen with a RealAudio player and let me know how things work.



Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
http://barkingcat.org/		 Speed the day."   - Karl Marx


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> I do have to say, though, flyers w/ untasteful material really turns me
> off to a party, no matter who's playing.  It just makes the party seem
> more along the lines of a club type deal; that's just me, though.  It
> just brings the whole "meat market" feeling to it.  I mean, if someone
> who didn't know too much about raves, saw the flyer, he/she might get
> the wrong idea.  We've had enough of that.

what?   you mean a rave isnt a place to go hook up and get laid?    man
FUCK THAT...i am NEVER goin again!!!!   

feelin.kinda.funny.today
-mikeD

short review of postivie thurs.:

got theer whiel 3D&snuggles were wpinning....  they seemed to be slackin a
little..*shrug*  the tracks were still good as hell....i got there near
the end so draw your own conclusion.   

DELTA FUCKING 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   just amazing...havent seen so many
people get down to hardcore in ages....  AND a moshpit broke out   =)
*hardcore chicago you pussy muthafuckers*

then dj funk...uhh uh   work it  work it..yep yep   funk got my ass a
shakin..evne got the chance to jack it a little  =P      

all in all  well worth my...umm i guess it was free  damn thats a good
fucking deal.... 

btw..they have Divy.Audio for sound.  phat. loud.

big ups to matt +, positive kids, mushgroove/incrdibeets 3d/snuggles,
delta 9, and dj funk

it was ncie to see all those peeps havent seen in ages (everyone came
out..even mouse !!!!  =)    

-mikeyD





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Does anyone know where meow mix is gonna be..
chicago doesn't help.  I already made plans to stay at someone's house 
in Rockford..cuz that's where everyone said it would be..prior to today. 
Argh!  I'll be there if it's on the west side of chicago, but not on the 
north of south side..
please help!!
i've never seen paul johnson before, but i can't go if the party's too 
deep into chicago.
send me a private message,
thanx
Jesse

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I'll be going back to the studio to start my set some time between
5:30p and 6p.  Give a listen at radiodistortion.com:7070/test.rm.

Remember that this address won't necessarily work within a web browser.
Simply fire up a RealAudio Player and point it at the above address.


- Steven J



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Alex Jacobs wrote:
> 
> > some guy gave me a little black card that said "fuck the whole potato"
> > on it.  then it said april 11th.  is this a party?  Can someone give me
> > some info on this, please
> > thanks, peace
> > Jesse

Ben from Seismic just dropped some fliers off:
it's a real party on April 11th here in chicago.
If you have the flier then you have all the info.
If you lost the flier, write back and I'll give you the 411
Take care.

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 06 23:25:37 1998
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You've heard the plugs by Daz Jackson, so I thought I'd give you my
comments about tonight in Valparaiso, IN...

LINEUP- they've got a great lineup including Trackhead Steve, Apoji, and
        some really great local talent like Johnny 5, Poly 800, Daz
	Jackson, Mikey Paunovich, Chris Doria, Paulie, Wiseguy, and
        Gunslinga.

VENUE- A secured, heated venue with nice, clean bathrooms and drinking
       fountains.  Not hard to find, either.  2 rooms.

SOUND+LIGHTS- EV MT series subs, 8 roboscans, 4 interlinked Playstations!

PRICE- only $6 and $5 with a canned food donation that will go to the
       Valparaiso food pantry



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Does anyone have a number or directions for this? 

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sorry to double post but i forgot to put which party!  again i'm requesting
directions/phone # for the shindig in Valparaiso.


thanx,

brett

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I'm getting ready to go on the air and spin for a while.


- Steven

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Bro Keeps wrote:

> Does anyone have a number or directions for this? 

219.662.9546> 

Anyone in Milwaukee want to go to this?
I have a car.....
aka DJ Miscellaneous          http://www.barkingcat.org/eos/
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I"ll be vending at the tape booth that sells Vinyl(not dan's.)  I won't 
be able to make Net meets, but come up and say hi:)

=exit=
-adam-

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my first time seeing d9...

... and the bizzatch broke my forkin knee!  I'm chillin, minding my own
bizness humpin some speakers, then he drops the wikked shit and sonically
contorts my body to smash my kneecap in two! 

And it wuz only one song into his set so I wuz fucked for dancing.. but I
couldn't leave my prime speaker space, so I had to just stay there, lying
up into the speaker, and occationally flailing my arms.  [I wuz the guy w/
green hair in the front right bin]

*hardk0re chicago, you pussy mutherfuckers*

much much MUCH respect all around to those involved, and crayzee shouts to
all the peeps I chilled wit!

lovingly yours,
-a crippled fr0boy


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It seems that the encoding software we're using here has done something 
to itself.  Subsequently my little test session isn't happening.  Sorry 
for any confusion this has caused.  

If anyone knows anything about getting Real Audio's encoding software 
to work in UNIX please help us.  Real Audio hasn't been help at all and I 
simply don't trust this whole Win95 bullshit.



Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
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Hey if anyone knows of a party in cleveland tonight email me back thanks

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ok again try radiodistortion.com:7070/test.rm with your RealAudio player



Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
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dayum! i have never seen the u of c student union quite so bumpin as it
was last night for positive thursdaze. guestimation: 600 ppl inm that
space.....not to mention diversified sound (the one time i forget my
earplugs!) and lights.

oh gawsh! 3d and snuggles rawkked it as q system, but id hafta say the
height of the night was def delta. haadkore! the place went friggin
bonkerz for this uincredible set--complete with mosh pit. whistles,
smiles, screaming, awes yeah, full on vybe! even funk got me groovin a
bit, 6th grade style (booty!) yeah, that was me in the blue camo tee,
jakin like i havent since jr high.....

only down point of the night was the presence of drug dealers being so
forkin blatant, even when they were axed to be subtle, and to finally
leave. its all about positivity folkz! i go for the music, to get a groove
on, to smile and spread the vybe. not to be a pompous beeyatch, but if
your there to wreak havok and other evil things please go home, its
crowded enuff as is.

but enuff negative stuff. another bright side: i got to see tons o
kiddies--felt like a reunion, family style :) so shouts out to all yall
that made my night so shiny, and surry pete about that knee--my ankle
sympathizes. at least ya got ta go nuts! way to go! positive! woohoo!

=jes
(exclamation point happy!)


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>  Give a listen at radiodistortion.com:7070/test.rm.
>
>Remember that this address won't necessarily work within a web browser.
>Simply fire up a RealAudio Player and point it at the above address.
>
This works only if you change the http classification to 
pnm://radiostation.com:7070 . Sounds nice!

Only works, of course, within the RealPlayer stream, "open location" 
setting.

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Thinking of going to Entropy (March 20th, according to MW-RAVES 
Calendar)in Columbia and maybe roadtripping to some of the Chicago or 
Kansas City events (from St. Louis area).  Know Chicago really well 
since I recently moved from there, by the way. (Or at least, parts of 
it!)  I have a large car (wagon) and would be looking for one or more 
cool people who might want to hitch a ride and perhaps share in driving 
or whatever.  

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dayum! I knew I should've gone last night, but I was so dayum tired I hit
the hay around 8:00, must've had something to do with getting up at 5:30
to go to school, oh well. I will make the next one though, I'm sure of
that!
Hi Jes! Keep it +++++++++++++++++++(positive, that is!).

onelove.
noble

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 07 11:48:59 1998
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Just as few thoughts on the DJ no show phenominon.  It is getting to be
riduculous.  As always there are two sides of the equation and together they
are making things worse.  On one side you have quite a few reputable
promoters around the midwest who are being victimized by DJ no-shows.  In 5
years of promotion I have never placed an unconfirmed name on a flyer.  The
are other promoters who can make the same claim.  Unfornately, we suffer
from the numerous less scrupulous or carefully promoters who place
unconfirmed or uncontacted talent on flyers.  This is getting worse all of
the time.  Until recently, I only had had 1 no show.   This past year
however things have gotten quite bad in this regard.  Something needs to
change before all credibility is lost.

tim




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Well, I thought I would finally let everyone know what happened since I
finally got my account back in working order, MSN customer support sucks.

First off, Frankie was booked and contracted to show, for those interested
the contract will be posted in the Basement at Better Days, as will Terry
Mullans contract for the uncoming one night stand in April.  Terry assures
me that things are a complete go as does his manager.  Frankie chose to go
to detroit because the promoter there threatened legal action.  The double
booking resulted from incompetence on the part of his manager.  My contract
was signed first and technically the only valid one, however, apparently,
the detroit promoter also received a signed contract as some point later
than me.  This was known for some time.  Frankie assured me that he was
spinning here as he has done so many times in the past.  However, when Adam
arrived he informed me of the threats from the detroit promoter and that
Frankie had sent him here instead of Detriot as originally planned.

Second, we may have actually came out ahead musically by getting Adam since
he spun an incredible 2.5 hour set.

One interesting note, people pay very little attention to whats going on.
Had we not announced it 95% of the people there would not have know that
Frankie wasn't there.  I had numerous people tell me what an amazing set
Frankie spun.

One finally note, based on my observation, One night stand had the best vibe
of any party that I have attended in around two years.  Before sat night I
was just about ready to retire, but sat reminded why I started throwing
parties in the first place.  I am still cutting way back but I not
completely out of it yet.


tim








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Well,

I didn't get anyone to go to indy, so I ended up driving mouse, ricardo, 
and a crazy punk chick that had been at a party at mouse's, down to house 
of blues.

It just wasn't all that. After the chilly 45 min wait in line, we got in.  
I had never been to HOB, and was entertained by the decor, but the crowd 
was blah. I think everyone was a little peeved that the flyer said $10 
with juice card, but no one knew what the hell a juice card was. The Limp 
Bizcuit show ran late, so they ended up putting the djs in the balcony 
above the right side of the stage.  I supposed this was so they could get 
things going faster, but it really blew chunks.

Had fun dancing, but around 2am, being the super in the know junglist 
that I am, I sez to mouse, "so when is grooverider gonna come on?"
"This is Grooverider"
"oh" I sez
It was just that the audience had that anticipation feel to it, like they 
were waiting for something. Grooverider would play a very techy track, 
into a jazzy track, into a techy track. His mixes were tight and creative.  
His jazz tracks were Sweet, but 
the tech blew, In my humble opinion, so I would get in a groove, and them 
be pulled out by the over bearing boom chickyness.
When the breakdancers cleared a circle right where I'd been dancing I was 
mad. Grooverider played a few more boring tracks, but had me slammin for 
the last tune, mouse said it was Shy FX.

well I am sure I would have had a better time going to groove 
in Valparaiso by myself, or if I waited to go to meow mix. everyone makes 
mistakes.

elaine

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   HULLABALOO! 

   'Meltdown'

  April 25, 1998 - Toronto, Canada

   416 - 760 - 3279

Come join us again for another unforgetable night . The reputation 
of Hullabaloo! is built upon our ability and dedication to present 
the finest and craziest parties seen in a very long time, if ever, 
along with creating a unique attitude free enviroment where Peace, 
Love, Unity and Respect is the order of the evening in which you can 
enjoy our magnificent events to their maximum. We're extremely 
pleased to bring another wicked lineup of the greatest DJs and MCs 
promising to keep it hard and happy all night long. So come on out, 
let go of your collected jadiness, misconceptions, attitude and come 
out to dance your ass off, hug a stranger, make noise and have fun.


THE LINEUP: 

DJ SY, London, England
Quosh Records, the legendary scratchmaster. Voted #1 hardcore DJ of
1997

DJ Unknown, London, England
Quosh Records, Dreamscape, United Dance. top producer and
scratchmaster.

--->Sy & Unknown will be performing a 2 hour back2back set of
scratchmaster hardcore happiness

DJ BIZZ, Houston, Texas
Texas Audio Assassins, Funky hard house

Anabolic Frolic, Toronto, Canada
hullabaloo!, moonshine. He's going to make you happy to be hardcore

Hugh Sharpe, NYC
Panda Records, the return of the goa-trance master

Frisky, Toronto, Canada
pushing the boundaries of hardcore

Richie Salvaggio, Rochester, USA
c.b.c, krazy k productions, hard funky house

Euphonic & Smithy, Toronto, Canada
back2back happy hardcore session

Ruffneck, Toronto, Canada
the ruffneck returns with his rinseout selection

Eryk S, Toronto, Canada
hard driving trance 

Brad 'mofo' D., Toronto, Canada
Dutch hardcore trickster

Alan Caballero, St Catherines, Canada
house and techno makin' you move

Sub-Light, Toronto, Canada
oldskool beats to make smile

THC, Toronto, Canada
dutch rave anthems to kick your ass

Freaky Flow, Toronto, Canada
junglist scratchmaster promises to keep the beats fast and furious

Brano, Toronto, Canada
pumpin' house anthems

Marty McFly, Toronto, Canada
dancing boy is back with his breakbeat grooves

JT, Toronto, Canada
hard house flava

--------------

MCs for the Night. 

Storm, Peterborough, England
Dreamscape, Hardcore Heaven. The scratchmaster MC returns, his
sessions with Sy are legendary.

E-By-Gum, Toronto
"you know the score - deal with the hardcore"

Trigger & JD, Toronto
2 GKids, Junglist tagteam MCs

Flipside, Toronto
lyrical terrorist.



ATTRACTIONS:
wicked top production as with all our parties - the craziest lights
and loudest sound. massive ideo projections and other visual assaults.
Video game area and projections from CyberCity. Free whistles
(wouldn't be the same, would it?), lots of other giveaways. A
collection of unique vendors and products. And as always - YOU - the
famous hullabaloo raver collective who have proven this is no fluke
and consitently blown the roof of the venue with your smiles, postive
energy and vibe. The usual hullabaloo requirments...dress up, make
lots of noise, hug the person next to you and be ready to go mental
once again. You're all wicked.


Meeting Point & Shuttle Buses at Nathan Philips Square (Bay & 
Queen St). Location annouced the day of on infoline.

HULLABALOO! INFOLINE (416) 760-3279
http://web.idirect.com/~chris/hullabaloo.html

Vendors and Bus organizers call the infoline for arrangements.

Tickets $20 advance. $25 at the door (if available). Capacity of this
party is limited to 2000, so dont get left outside and buy your
tickets in advance.

Tickets Available in Toronto from

Speed 423 Queen St W 416-596-7609
Numb 162 John St 416-599-5424
Eastern Bloc 224 Adelaide St. W 416-593-4355
Play De Record 357a Yonge St 416 586 0380
Traxx 427 Yonge St 416 977-TRAX
Fresh Records 1278 St. Clair Ave West 416-65FRESH 
Nokturnal Records 181 Carlaw Ave, Suite 203 416 465 7025 
Hustler Snowboards 111 Kerr St (905) 844-1868
Hidden Jungle (formerly Hemptastic) 2580 Shepard Ave Mississauga (905)
306-7273 (NSC) 
Hidden Jungle 3327 Lakeshore Rd W. Etobicoke 416 259 3429 (NSC)
Hidden Jungle 135 Kerr St. Oakville (NSC) 
Ragtag Fairview Mall (416) 499-8366 
The Pit 423 Queen St W

All Ticketmaster locations throughout North America for those coming
from out of town. (416-870-8000) www.ticketmaster.ca

American residents : remember! you save approx. 35% off the ticket
price due to Canadian - US exchange rates!

Right of Admission Refusal (ROAR) in full effect.
No drugs, thugs, markers, attitude or frowns.
If you feel you can't contribute to the crazy Hullabaloo spirit, then
stay away!! Happy ravers only!!


-- MIXTAPES FROM PAST HULLABALOO PARTIES --

>From 'Return of the Vibe' *still available* (Sept 6, 1997) :
H0201 - DJ Spinback - (90 mins)
H0202 -  Anabolic Frolic - (60 mins)

>From 'Love & Magic' (November 22, 1997):
H0301 - DJ Ruffneck - 60 mins of oldskool magic covering '89 - '93
H0302 - DJ Druid - get your blood pumping with his selection of
uplifting hardcore (60 mins) 
H0303 - DJ Vinylgroover - relive the groover's magical happy set (60 
mins)
H0304 - Anabolic Frolic - more happy anthems, hear 1000 voices 
sing along to 'hold me now'! (60 mins) 
H0305 - Madam Zu - Hard uplifting trance from the queen of england's 
south coast. (90 mins)
H0306 - BradD. *new* rotterdam badboy

>From 'Into the Blue' *new* (February 7, 1998):
H0401 - DJ Brisk (90 mins)
H0402 - Anabolic Frolic (60 mins)
H0403 - DJ Spock (60 mins)
H0404 - Nick Grant (90 mins)

Tapes are available at Numb and other Toronto retailers or mailorder:
Each tape is $10 (USD) or $12 (CDN) plus $1 shipping per tape (maximum
of $4).

Send checks/money order payable to :
Nokturnal Records
181 Carlaw Ave, Suite 203
Toronto, Ontario
M4M 2S1  Canada

DON'T JUST HEAR ABOUT HOW GOOD IT WAS - EXPERIENCE IT FOR YOURSELF

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 07 18:15:48 1998
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Anyone who missed out on this really missed out.  Like I think I've said
before, there's no concert venue more beautiful than the House Of Blues.
The sound didn't sound nearly as clear as last time, but it was still way
better than the majority of rave systems.  We came in to some hip hop dj
spinning "OH BABY YOU, YOU GOT WHAT I NEED... BUT YOU SAY HE'S JUST A
FRIEND... BUT YOU SAY HE'S JUST A FRIEND"  and it just doesn't get much
better than a lil biz markie to start the evening off.  Then, with no
announcement, grooverider came on.  The first hour was incredible. Everyone
just wait until the afro-funk sound hits the states...  jungle is gonna
blow up more than it already has.  So he played a lot of the afro-funk,
with a good bit of a jazzier sound, and a lot of dark rollers.  The only
problem that I had was that he kept jumping around stylistically... like
he'd play a scary dark tune, then jump right into a bouncy jazzy lick.
With his near-perfect skills he could've created a really cool progression
through the styles, but he seemed more interested in just playing records
than doing that.  But regardless of that, i had an excellent time, it was
probably one of my top dj sets of all times, and that's about all I have to
say.

hi jes, tonette, chris watson, and a bunch of other people who I saw but
don't remember exactly who they are right now.

chris

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hi guys.. sorry to all of you who wanted to come and couldn't get
directions.  i apologize for the infoline fucking up, but that was out of
our control.  it was fixed at 8 o'clock.  but for you guys who did make it,
thank you for the support, the party went off well.. was not busted, and
there were no problems.  much much much respect to the people who know how
to show respect to what people try to do.. it makes mine and others jobs so
much easier.

keep it real -

daz jackson
symmetry productions.
219.662.9546

keep your eyes out for other northwest indiana parties, next month we've got
a small shindig planned with jordan fields.. and a much bigger party in late
may/early june.

peace.


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 07 19:04:19 1998
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From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
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You guys (meaning the people on this list) have obviously been wieghing on
some part of my subconscious lately, as I had the strangest dream last
night... 

I think it's because of all the action the list has been getting lately,
and all the good old people leaving the list, and the fact that when I
think about those people I remember past events and times... Anyhow,
here's my dream: 

Somehow we all met up in one place (like in Kentucky or something) to go
to JJ's campout party at the end of August, and we were all riding in a
school bus to the party. (kinda like going to camp when I was little) 

We were just talking about old parties and joking and screwing around.
Dancing in the schoolbus aisles, eating chips and stuff. The bus driver
had some old hard acid tape in the tape player and had the volume on the
bus turned like super high. We were all psyched about this party, and I
was telling you stories about IO2, and showing you all kinds of
pictures of former mw-ravers and vravers who were there...

Even in my dreams, Dica, you are one hell of a crazy, silly motherfucker,
let me just say that... =) You were acting so silly and crazy, and it was
a total blast... Erin was a sweet as ever, and we actually were making
lammies or something strange like that on the ride there... Chrise, you
were a dancing maniac, like all over the seats and stuff... You were
like seriously hyperactive, and probably needed some Ritalin. J-sun was in
the back of the bus somewhere and he and Jong were just chillin out
together, talking or something.... It was weird...

We were almost at the place where the party was being held, and then the
phone woke me up. It was some dumbass from Blockbuster telling me that we
had a late fee because supposedly we hadn't returned a video we ACTUALLY
returned 6 days ago.

Maybe we'll see a continuation tomorrow night, and MAYBE this is a
forecast... This means that all of you had better be there if JJ decides
to throw this thing... ;)


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*



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SATURDAY, MARCH 21, 1998
TRI-QUAD PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS

ALL GOOD

WITH DEE JAY'S::

THOMAS MICHAEL	DAN EFEX
(los angeles, ca)		(chicago, ill)

VENOM			STAN
(providence, ri)		(los angeles, ca)

VERJUNGLE		GOATBOY
(columbus, oh)		(cincinnati, oh)

S. BROWN			OPTOMUS
(columbus, oh)		(cleveland, oh)

JOE FOE			ALPHA LINK
(columbus, oh)		(cincinnati, oh)

$15 W/CANNED GOOD		$20 WITHOUT 

MAIN INFO. LINE	641-523-8085
SOUND BY::DEMATTEO
LIGHTS BY::EYEGASM
JUICE BAR BY::BRETT


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----------
> From: Perica <perica@stratos.net>
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: event:: ALL GOOD:: columbus, oh
> Date: Saturday, March 07, 1998 3:05 PM
> 
> SATURDAY, MARCH 21, 1998
> TRI-QUAD PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS
> 
> ALL GOOD
> 
> WITH DEE JAY'S::
> 
> THOMAS MICHAEL	DAN EFEX
> (los angeles, ca)		(chicago, ill)
> 
> VENOM			STAN
> (providence, ri)		(los angeles, ca)
> 
> VERJUNGLE		GOATBOY
> (columbus, oh)		(cincinnati, oh)
> 
> S. BROWN			OPTOMUS
> (columbus, oh)		(cleveland, oh)
> 
> JOE FOE			ALPHA LINK
> (columbus, oh)		(cincinnati, oh)
> 
> $15 W/CANNED GOOD		$20 WITHOUT 
> 
> MAIN INFO. LINE	641-523-8085
> SOUND BY::DEMATTEO
> LIGHTS BY::EYEGASM
> JUICE BAR BY::BRETT


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Woah!!!

>   HULLABALOO5! 
>
>   'Meltdown'
>
>  April 25, 1998 - Toronto, Canada
>
>   416 - 760 - 3279
>DJ SY, London, England
>Quosh Records, the legendary scratchmaster. Voted #1 hardcore DJ of
>1997

HOOOLLLLLEEEEEYYYYY SHIIIIITTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOO HOOO!!!!

>DJ Unknown, London, England
>Quosh Records, Dreamscape, United Dance. top producer and
>scratchmaster.

AAAIIEIEEEEEE!!! I'M GONNA EXPLODE!!!!!!!!

>--->Sy & Unknown will be performing a 2 hour back2back set of
>scratchmaster hardcore happiness

AASDOIAORIEORIEOOEIROEJLKJDASKLJ!!!!!!!! WOOO HOOO!!!!

>MCs for the Night. 
>
>Storm, Peterborough, England
>Dreamscape, Hardcore Heaven. The scratchmaster MC returns, his
>sessions with Sy are legendary.

OOOOOHHHH MMYYY GGGAAAWWWDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO GETA CARAVAN TOGETHER FOR HULABALOO5!!!!!!! MATT 
+, WHERE ARE YOU!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Craig/xotis/Spree/unbelievably excited!!!!

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. xotis . wrote:

> >   HULLABALOO5!
> >
> >   'Meltdown'
> >
> >  April 25, 1998 - Toronto, Canada
> >

yes.  I can actually go to this one,  if i can get a ride.  Anyone from
the north clark street area want their gas payed for entirely?  I'll do
it, I'll pay for ALL your gas, I'll hook you up with goodies from any
amoco station as well.  Reply privately if you are interested.

--dannyQ


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Not to bitch & complain...

but the flyer sed free w/ Juice card....I ended up paying 12duckets (x2..I had
to pay fer my honey....).  The flyer also stated  that the shit would be on at
10pm. Needless to say that the shit didn''t start til about midnight. Me & my
honey hated the whole thing. Rap/hip hop was not what I wanted to hear.

All in all...

Spent 24 bux...

stayed there for about 15 minutes...

My asshole hurts...

Phil



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MEOW MIX will be at the DOLTON EXPO CENTER in Dolton, IL - directions are as
follows:  coming from north of chicago, take 94 south (east) through
chicago... coming from south of chicago, take 94 north (west)... exit on
dolton avenue west... this turns into 142nd street... go 3 lights, and the
DOLTON EXPO CENTER is located at the intersection of 142nd and chicago
road... the address is 14200 chicago road... park in the back

see everyone there tonight, doors open at 11 and goes til 6 100% fully legal

peace

mike

info lines are: 414-297-9667 312-409-7249 847-604-0579

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>SATURDAY, MARCH 21, 1998
>TRI-QUAD PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS
>
>ALL GOOD
>
>WITH DEE JAY'S::
>
>THOMAS MICHAEL	DAN EFEX
>(los angeles, ca)		(chicago, ill)
>
>VENOM			STAN
>(providence, ri)		(los angeles, ca)
>
>VERJUNGLE		GOATBOY
>(columbus, oh)		(cincinnati, oh)
>
>S. BROWN			OPTOMUS
>(columbus, oh)		(cleveland, oh)
>
>JOE FOE			ALPHA LINK
>(columbus, oh)		(cincinnati, oh)
>
>$15 W/CANNED GOOD		$20 WITHOUT
>
>MAIN INFO. LINE	641-523-8085
>SOUND BY::DEMATTEO
>LIGHTS BY::EYEGASM
>JUICE BAR BY::BRETT

I know everyone probably knows but I just wanted to let you know that the
area code is 614 instead of 641


 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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>>I'd like to think I'm not the only person who got this flyer... but seeing as
>>it hasn't been listed in the long list of upcoming events we keep getting
>>sent
>>to us, freshly updated...  Says it's in the Akron/Cleveland area, something
>>like 25 or so dj's.  $20 at the door...
>>
>>Anyone who can confirm that this is real, say something -- anything!
>>
>>That name again folks -- "Rave The Planet," March 14th.
>>
>>
>>????
>>Amanda
>
>This event is in youngstown I believe but I might be wrong.  I am playing
>this event so I know it is for real.  But then, with my luck in that area
>lately we may have to see. :)

I just got off the phone with the promoter and here is the info.

This party will March 14, 1998 (next Saturday)

It will be in Cleveland    Impulse Productions

The line-up is as follows:

Slugo - Chicago - Dance Mania
Clay Ivey - Georgia - Phungus
Trevor Lamont - Lexington - Teamsters
Matt Clark - Detroit
Matt Kristian - Detroit
Urban - Chicago
Audio Pimp - North Carolina
Jason Patrick - Baltimore
Charles Masters - NY
Shawn Micheals - Rochester
808 - Rochester
Brian Stillwater - Baltimore
Joe Kidd - Akron
Alysium - Youngstown
Zona - Columbus
He So High - Canton
7-up - Pittsburgh
Impulse - Youngstown
Zacharia - Akron

info 330-539-9031

 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
********************************************************************
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     http://home1.gte.net/trevorl/index.htm
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********************************************************************
                      House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!


 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
********************************************************************
Bookings:
     Pleasure Entertainment  (314-995-2631) : my booking agent
     trevorl@gte.net : my e-mail address
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     teamster606@usa.net : my other, other e-mail address :)
     http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/8917/index.html
     http://home1.gte.net/trevorl/index.htm
     1-800-619-9296 : my pager
********************************************************************
                      House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 08 00:07:07 1998
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phat 

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 08 00:56:13 1998
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At 12:07 PM 3/7/98 -0600, \(chris ege\) wrote:
>
>Anyone who missed out on this really missed out.  Like I think I've said
>before, there's no concert venue more beautiful than the House Of Blues.
>The sound didn't sound nearly as clear as last time, but it was still way
>better than the majority of rave systems.  We came in to some hip hop dj
>spinning "OH BABY YOU, YOU GOT WHAT I NEED... BUT YOU SAY HE'S JUST A
>FRIEND... BUT YOU SAY HE'S JUST A FRIEND"  and it just doesn't get much
>better than a lil biz markie to start the evening off.  Then, with no
>announcement, grooverider came on.  The first hour was incredible. Everyone
>just wait until the afro-funk sound hits the states...  jungle is gonna
>blow up more than it already has.  So he played a lot of the afro-funk,
>with a good bit of a jazzier sound, and a lot of dark rollers.  The only
>problem that I had was that he kept jumping around stylistically... like
>he'd play a scary dark tune, then jump right into a bouncy jazzy lick.
>With his near-perfect skills he could've created a really cool progression
>through the styles, but he seemed more interested in just playing records
>than doing that.  But regardless of that, i had an excellent time, it was
>probably one of my top dj sets of all times, and that's about all I have to
>say.
>
>hi jes, tonette, chris watson, and a bunch of other people who I saw but
>don't remember exactly who they are right now.
>
>chris
>
it was a real let down.  grooverider only played good trax for the last 3rd
of his set. it was 2 dollars more and 2 hours later than the flyer
advertised.  the hip hop dj sucked.  the sound was also fuked up.  and it
shut down before the advertised time.


- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 08 00:57:18 1998
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>>Just when this mailing list starts turning people gay, everyone is
>>arguing, and everyone else unsubbing like it's the plague....I'm
baaaaack.
>>I got off the list about a year ago, but I decided I'd rejoin all you
>>losers to see what's happening now in the Midwest.
>>What happened to all the Champaign/Urbana people?  And who is now
>>on here from St. Louis?  When did Jawsh get unbanned?  I guess it's
>>time to go read the archives....
>>- ---ben / Cylert

yes yes!  this is the post i've been waiting for all year.... 
ben, hit me up...  where were you??

btw-  anybody know if charmayne still has an email addy?
or how to contact "the wicked witch of the west coast" ??  =)
(and for those who don't know.. i'm talkin' bout tha gabsta girlie)

off to the east.side.crack houseparty axtion....

<mark_lancaster>

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 08 03:11:43 1998
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I was going to head down to Meow Mix with the Late Night Beet Generation 
Caravan of Love but my nose was stuck in a computer all day upgrading it 
from 5x86 to 6x86.  I'm pooped.

Would anyone be interested in hearing me spin a set on the 'net?  If I 
get enough people saying they're sitting at home online and want some 
music I'll head to the studio and stop that annoying CD that's been 
playing for the last day and a half and play some records for y'all.



Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
http://barkingcat.org/		 Speed the day."   - Karl Marx


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 08 14:37:25 1998
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Does anyone know what's going on with the Plus 8 event by Bam Prod.
that's supposed to be next weekend? I called the line and they didn't
say anything about it. Is it cancelled?
Craig
-- 
"America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone 
directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval
of civilization." -Georges Clemenceau

"So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in 
praise of intelligence." -Bertrand Russel

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 08 15:25:07 1998
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>Does anyone know what's going on with the Plus 8 event by Bam Prod.
>that's supposed to be next weekend? I called the line and they didn't
>say anything about it. Is it cancelled?
>Craig
>--
>"America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone
>directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval
>of civilization." -Georges Clemenceau
>
>"So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in
>praise of intelligence." -Bertrand Russel

Richie had to postpone so the Plus 8 event will be later in the spring or
summer when Richie's schedule is free.  Instead they are doing a party
called "The Torture Club" with John Aquaviva, Terry Mullan, Slugo, Miles
Maeda, and Jeff Feller.

 Peace and Love

                                                  trevor lamont
                                                   Teamsters
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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     http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/8917/index.html
     http://home1.gte.net/trevorl/index.htm
     1-800-619-9296 : my pager
********************************************************************
                      House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 08 15:57:51 1998
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hey someone let me know how groove in valpiraso was....i was so upset i
missed it!

lots of luv and blow pops,
sammy

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ok d-troit kids don't forget about solar now!
every wednesday in ann arbor
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comin up:
march 11:  dj twonz, dj eclipse
march 18:  dj assault  (hee hee he'll give ya **** by da pound!! ;P )

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At 11:06 AM -0600 3/6/98, Espinosa, Andrew - Houston, TX wrote:
>I'm a little new to this list so flame me if you like, but for a scene
>that preaches PLUR, I don't tend to see a lot of that.  Practice what
>you preach, especially the respect part.  Just because people  don't
>like what you like, doesn't mean there bad.  Also don't take the things
>said on these list personally, other wise you'll fall apart.  I mean I
>don't know you and you don't really know me and we may never meet
>(specially since I live in Houston).  So be kind and keep it real.

[not a flame]

Being new to the list, it's usually a good practice to keep your eyes open
and read the posts for a month or two, before you post anything. Several
people on this list (if they're still here?) are rarely if ever serious
(incl. me) and it would benefit ALL newcomers to get to know the active
list members, before you go hog wild and post fucking 20 messages a day.

Many individuals on this list have no interest in PLUR or RAVE, but they
are into techno. I am very into PLUR and RAVE, but I still get pissy every
now and then, I'm only human. Generalizations are dangerous. This list
isn't really about PLUR. This list is about "rave" and moreover TECHNO in
the mw area. This content of this list SHOULD be party revus, records
revus, info on DJS and live acts, lighting, video, net sites relating to
techno, etc.

Sometimes, I'll openly discuss my chode with the list, but a little variety
keeps it fun. I have been on this list for a long time. I always like to
see posts from newbies and lurkers, but let's try to be efficient with our
posts and for those of you who have nothing better to do:

you can send mail to yourself, instead of this list... it will go out to
your server and back into your inbox and then you can read it and fully
amuse yourself, without bothering all of us.

pPpLlLuUuRrR,
 m

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This list has become no more than a festering heap of dung for all of you
to have a place to whine, and im sick of it.

Goodbye

Paul



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hey kids

thought you might be the people to possibly give me some more info on
those alien heads pills that were touted to be very bad.  if anyone can
forward me some information, it would help me a lot.


peace+thanks

chris


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Ok, basically, here's how it went down.  The drive down to the Dolton 
Expo Center wasnt particularly too bad, and it was a nice size, been to 
parties there before and had a good time.  The smoke was a little nasty, 
makin it kinda hard to breathe, but you learn to live with things like 
this.  
	I FOUND THIRTY DOLLARS ON THE FLOOR!  Yuuup, thirty dollars.  Went and 
bought a few mixtapes wif mah new-found riches.  Anyways, the lighting 
was pretty decent, woulda been nice to see some lasers or something 
rather than the little pen laser someone was shooting around ;)  UHhhm, 
I'm having mixed reviews about the sound.  It seems like at times, it 
was pretty decent, and at others, just completely SHOT.  I dunno, maybe 
it's cause I slowly lost hearing as the night went on ;)
	The music was really interesting as in, I like the way it was all 
shuffled around.  WHY WAS PAUL JOHNSON IN FLORIDA AND NOT HERE!? Damn 
WMC or whatever.  Oh well, Bad Boy Bill pretty much tore shit up and I 
sure hope he starts getting some of the respect that he deserves.  As 
far as DJ Slugo, who is this and did he even go on?  Skylab 2000 was a 
really odd mix.  I REALLY didnt like the beginning at all and blew them 
off as this wierd Crystal Method take-off or something.  But then 
something changed and then around the middle of the set, they managed to 
get EVERYONE to dance, it was really wicked.  Snuggles spinned for a 
REALLY long time, with some nice little booty house. "3 fine hoes, 3 
fine hoes" ;)  3D tore shit up with a WICKED jungle set and we finally 
had Sir K just completely wrap up the party with an AMAZING set.  I was 
too tired to dance tho and was stuck to sitting on the speakers :)
	Anyways, it was a pretty damn good party.  Also, I'm sure some of you 
may have seen me.  I was with some other kids who had the camera and 
were doing interviews outside along the line. OH YEAH! One more thing.  
THE LINE SUCKED.  Jesus, I hated that.  Anways,  I had the white polo 
shirt with the long red t-shirt underneath that.  Sooo, if ya saw me, 
say Hi ;)


--Chris

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>This list has *become* no more than a festering heap of dung for all of 
you
>to have a place to whine, and im sick of it.

Wait a second... what do you mean 'has become'? When was it anything 
different? Sheesh... some people...

>Goodbye

Bye bye, don't be a stranger now, ok?

>Paul

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does anyone know the track grooverider played after the 
locust remix? 


eric


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> no kiddin', a dara vid on mTv?  what track?  i don't know if i feel like
> puking or running out and splicing into my neighbor's cable service...

what a co-inkeedink because np: dj dara--the only thing constant is
change. anyway was that the video they have on there a lot with the scenes
in manhattan? it's not really that interesting, but the track is kinda
cool. i know where that subway station in it is i think on bowery st i
skateboarded all over the sidewalk next to it + the triangle with that
cube sculpture in it on its corner. correct me if i'm wrong though...

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> cool. i know where that subway station in it is i think on bowery st i
> skateboarded all over the sidewalk next to it + the triangle with that
> cube sculpture in it on its corner. correct me if i'm wrong though...
> 
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 *snif*
okay just nostalgic for home...
actually that cube sculpture is right on astor place a couple of blocks
away from st. marks place

anyways...sorta list-related but whatever

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> > Is this exploitation, is it art, is it sexist?
> > Is it neccesary, is it nice?
> > Is it the age old practice of selling a product with sexual imagery?

it can be any of these things (except maybe necessary). it depends on the
circumstances.

> From an artistic point of view the female breat is one of the most
> asthetically pleasing forms around.

breat? haha. but seriously it depends on the breast in question. there are
nice ones + on the other hand there are skanky nasty ones. =] think about
it, a whole spectrum of breasts. that image in my mind is kind of funny
well at the skanky end at least.

you know what's really bizarre? my tongue is itching. i didn't know that
was even possible. i'm scratching it on my teeth.

np: derrick carter (live set at some club in france)

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does anyone have an e-flyer or any info on april foolz 2? could u do me
the littlest favor and send it to me...pleaz!

lots of love and blo pop
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+++ GROOVERIDER @ HOUSE OF BLUES, FRIDAY: +++


this was a real good show, but i left feeling that it wasn't worth the $12
that was advertised on the ticketmamster site and not on the flyers.  i
assume the juice card is some elitist club card, and NOT the flyer itself.
oh well.  as for when we got in, heard biz markie's "just a friend" and
some other good hip hop... then grooverider.

the man is WICKED!  definitely one of the best jungle djs i've ever seen.
he's got the skills.. but he kinda jumped around style wise.  afrofunk is
the baddest style i've ever heard!  fuckin' AWESOME.  i'll be buyin up all
that stuff when it finally comes out.  rock on.  he also played a bunch of
crazy new stuff that i'd never heard (mostly the darker, eviller kinda
rollers) and some stuff that i just had to hear on a huge system (ie the
new Ed Rush & Optical on V)... quite good, but i was super tired too.  and
why did he play the shadowboxing rmx?  way played out, imho.  annoyed the
piss outta me.

note: GROOVERIDER LOOKS JUST LIKE MARCELLUS WALLACE FROM PULP FICTION.  and
he's a superstar, too.  nuff said about that.

tasty beats, and i got my hands on a pretty darned good (so far) phantom
tape from 93!  yeahz.  too bad chris stole it.. fucker!  thanks a lot, mr.
"i'll leave it on your desk!".  grr.




+++ MEOW MIX +++


this was the best party i've been to in super-long if you don't count Kiss
the Sky... all the djs and acts were really solid the whole nite thru.

as for confusion on the lineup, this is the order of who went on when:

steven kaye
skylab 2000
bad boy bill
slugo
q system w/ elissa & mc kid entropy
slak w/ mc kid entropy
sir k

trace, paul johnson, and mindrive were all no-shows.  i know paul & chad
were at the Winter Music Conference, and i assume that trace was there as
well...

lighting and sound was quite competent as per usual from logsquared,
although sound got a bit distorted at points.

people were surprisingly friendly for the most part!  nice to see from the
city known for attitude and fashion-obsession.  ;P

STEVEN KAYE.  missed ya, sorry!

SKYLAB 2000.  got there in the middle, kinda boring acid breaks & trancey
stuff... not my style at all.  they were live, at least.  :P

BAD BOY BILL.  awesome!  he's got insane skills...not a minute went by
where he wasn't mixing in a new record.  wicked scratching as well, and
some great double-record tricks on that "and in comes the 3 and the 2 and
the 1!" track.  spun two aphrodite records at the end of his set.
whatever.  :P  really really solid bangin hard-house in the UC style.  even
played DeBos!  =)  yeah, he was really really good!

SLUGO.  kinda boring.  his mixing was fairly tight, but i didn't really get
into it much.  ah well.  standard ghetto style, nothing really exciting.
he did play 3 fine hoes, and debo g... but otherwise, not very exciting at
all.

Q SYSTEM w/ ELISSA & MC KID ENTROPY.  wicked!  snuggles was on the tables,
3d was on some sort of sequencer or something (and i'm not sure what it did
either :P)... elissa sang beautifully for the first track on the chill tip.
 i thought it was really cool that people clapped and cheered when she
finished.  =)  it was really solid, and the last track played was CRAZY!
daaaaamn!  mc kid entropy flows like no other, and he continued flowing on
thru slak!  wicked rhymes, wicked rhythms!  big up!  :P  and dave gave me a
free terminal beats tape.  anyone know if this is out on vinyl yet?  it's
super-good!

SLAK W/ MC KID ENTROPY.  a comparable replacement for trace.  insane hard
rollers.  anyone know what the crazy acid track that he played in the
middle, about 5 songs before warhead, was?  i want it!  got the rewind on
warhead, which sounded quite well on the logsquared system.  the set was
really really solid, with almost all tracks that i had never heard before.
kid entropy knows when to talk and when to shaddup.... he's awesome!
definitely the best stateside mc out there that i've seen to date!  go
check him out!

SIR K.  didn't really fit after the insane slak set... really good mixing
though (i was expecting some terrible trainwrecking, actually :P)... the
tracks were all pretty good, but they were all stuff that i've heard
before.  a crowd-pleaser set, for sure.  ended with the Crydamoure track
that i love so dearly!  but then again, it was big almost a year ago.  :P
quite a nice set, with a similar sound (and some similar tracks) to my
justin long live @ silly rabbit tape.

big thanks to mike and everyone else involved for throwing a slammin-ass
party.

ended at 6.  the biggest thanks ever to pete & chris for hookin me up with
a ride home!  it was fun, fellaz!  :P  finally got home around 12, in the
biggest unexpected snowstorm of my life :P  yuck.  i hate snow.  hope it
all melts soon.  but, then again...

"didya hear tuesday's forecast?  it's gonna be 17!!!"  -- old man at the
gas station
"thanks, old man!"  -- pete's inner voice

hehe.

big ups to the people i partied with & saw this weekend:  kevin, paul,
tonette, jes, matt+, gina, kate, doug, ted, becca, jamie, adam dorfman, the
other kate, alan, chris (even if you stole my tape and wouldn't take
nesbitts back with you), milkshake, jess/madison, mc blackeye, johnsin, mr.
entropy, steven k, dan xanthous, and everyone else that i'm forgetting.
special welcome to giles, our new list-member!   nice to meetcha, mate!  =)

anyone from madison going to the kultbox party on friday the 13th?



+++++++++++ jon/dica +++++++++++ jabraun@students.wisc.edu ++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++ i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" +++++++++++++++++++

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in my opinion:

Grooverider is a horrible dj!  he's not even a dj!  he's an
amazing producer though.  too bad he didn't play his kind of=20
music. what we heard that night was a watered down americanised
version of the stuff that i'm sure he'd rater be playing.

i don't know why you were expecting train wrex from sir k.  sir k
is one of the best dj's that i know. he can mix out of anything.

:)




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 So im going to dolton, got lost twice.  Eventually found the dolton
expo center thingy!  Went into the party, got searched, paid twenty
dollars.  Walked in skylab 2000's set.  I liked it.  Bad boy bill went
on.  he was good.  i think Q systems went on next.  They sounded good.
 left after that.   People were friendly for the most part.  I guess i
wouldve had a better time if i hadnt had to work that morning ( 9:00am
sunday morning), but hey thats alright!  I was kinda sleepy throughout
the party.  Seemed like a good time though. I dunno about the twenty
dollars thing. 
  I hate work....

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don't flame me for posting a bunch of stuff at once, because this is the
only time i've gone thru my e-mail in almost a week.

anyway on one of these lists somebody said something about movie
projections at parties, but i don't remember which, but it's relevant + i
made a list of movies that would be cool to show. i didn't put any anime
movies on it because just about any anime makes good material although the
more action scenes the better. some of these movies i guess you'd have to
cue them right to get to the good parts.

fantasia
2001: a space oddysey
all the star wars movies
light years
blade runner

but if the theme was evil + hardcore, other movies would be more
appropriate like

terminator 1+2
apocalypse now
naked lunch
caligula
boxing helena
phantoms 

these are just movies i can remember i've seen so i'm sure there's
zillions i haven't.

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well, i hope you all had fun at meow mix.
i did not go cuz I didn't feel like going all the way into south chicago 
for it..
why did future forces say equidistance chicago/milwaukee/madison..that's 
impossible when the party is in chicago
i'm pretty ticked..
guess that's it for outta-state parties for me...i'm tired of the same 
thing happening over and over again.


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> fantasia
> 2001: a space oddysey
> all the star wars movies
> light years
> blade runner

hells yea!  When 2001 was showing in the theaters originally, there
were allegedly widespread complaints from parents because so many
kids were getting fucked up to see it for the light sequence at the end.

I remember at Metropolis they played the clip of the new Mos Eisley
scene from Star Wars with the Jawas & Ronto; looped all warped out
& backwards.

> 
> but if the theme was evil + hardcore, other movies would be more
> appropriate like
> 
> terminator 1+2
> apocalypse now
> naked lunch
> caligula
> boxing helena
> phantoms 
> 

good calls!
The opening napalm scene from Apocalypse Now would definitely be phat
as hell; and you know that any scene from Naked Lunch looped at a 
hardcore party would guarantee bad trips all around.

another suggestion for an evil/hardcore set-up:    
Jacob's Ladder
Those flashback scenes with the demons are probably the most
tweaked out, evil images I've ever seen on film.
Russ


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Hmmmm, I'd like to add:

THX-1138:43B
Logans Run
The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai

.......This Island Earth?

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>Grooverider is a horrible dj!  he's not even a dj!  he's an
>amazing producer though.  too bad he didn't play his kind of 
>music. what we heard that night was a watered down americanised
>version of the stuff that i'm sure he'd rater be playing.

i don't think you can say that grooverider is a horrible dj... i didn't
hear a single trainwreck and only minor fuckups all nite...he's got the
skills to pay the bills (and buy a yacht, i'm sure, for the amount he gets
paid!  :P)

>i don't know why you were expecting train wrex from sir k.  sir k
>is one of the best dj's that i know. he can mix out of anything.

well, i just figured he'd be another boring house dj (from rockford, am i
correct?) with less-than-average skills... just my first thoughts, but i
was a little off.

np:  steven kaye - live revolutions mix  (thanks much, mr. k!  :P)

+++++++++++ jon/dica +++++++++++ jabraun@students.wisc.edu ++++++++++++++++
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yea me too
all i knwo its in nyc od 4-1 and its first ever all hardcore ont he eastcoast
and its 8 hours

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hey kidz... i'm laura in chicago and i almost never post...

anyway, i think it would be *really* cool to see some old surrealist flicks
at a party, like salvador dali's Andalusian Dog
i'll also add Metropolis and Tron to the list, but i think it is really fun
when people make random film loops on super 8 (as long as the same loops
aren't shown for ever and ever...)

clips from vertigo and the pit and the pendulum might be fun, too

old don't do drugs films from the 50's and 60's like reefer madness are also
really amusing... they had one about drinking showing at the empty bottle
last weekend at the frontier/trs-80 show
>
>> fantasia
>> 2001: a space oddysey
>> all the star wars movies
>> light years
>> blade runner
>
>hells yea!  When 2001 was showing in the theaters originally, there
>were allegedly widespread complaints from parents because so many
>kids were getting fucked up to see it for the light sequence at the end.

i saw 2001 on the big screen at a film festival last year and all the kidz
were getting fucked up to see it then, too.
>
>I remember at Metropolis they played the clip of the new Mos Eisley
>scene from Star Wars with the Jawas & Ronto; looped all warped out
>& backwards.
>
>> 
>> but if the theme was evil + hardcore, other movies would be more
>> appropriate like
>> 
>> terminator 1+2
>> apocalypse now
>> naked lunch
>> caligula
>> boxing helena
>> phantoms 
>> 
>
>good calls!
>The opening napalm scene from Apocalypse Now would definitely be phat
>as hell; and you know that any scene from Naked Lunch looped at a 
>hardcore party would guarantee bad trips all around.
>
>another suggestion for an evil/hardcore set-up:    
>Jacob's Ladder
>Those flashback scenes with the demons are probably the most
>tweaked out, evil images I've ever seen on film.
>Russ
>
>


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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Runs with scissors wrote:

> .......This Island Earth?
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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'ZuPz everybody, I'm Da WaRpRaT, new to the list as of 3.8.98.

Anyways, I was just gonna post some ideas for video loops at raves. Here 
goes... (I know, some have already been said!).

Tron
Fantasia
Alice in Wonderland (that part at the end when she's tryin' to catch the 
door =->
War of the Worlds (done at LIFE, 
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/5737/life.html)
The Lawnmower Man (1 or 2, the CGI parts, way kewl!)
And of course, any anime.

One other thing, how come nobody ever loops video game or computer 
generated stuff at raves? Examples...

The Psychedelic Screen Saver (TriPpY!)
The Kinemorphic Screen Saver (Not quite as kewl...)
WipEout XL for Playstation
Extreme G for N64
Final Fantasy VII (some of the summons are just too damn good!)
Tempest 2000 (swirly colorz everywhere! Whee!)

And there's probably a million more where that came from. See what I'm 
gettin' at here people? Computer generated images/videos are kewl. 
That's it. L8rZ.

Da WaRpRaT
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>Grooverider is a horrible dj!  he's not even a dj!  he's an
>amazing producer though.  too bad he didn't play his kind of 
>music. what we heard that night was a watered down americanised
>version of the stuff that i'm sure he'd rater be playing.

ha...  I don't know if "producer" is the right word even...  What happens
when grooverider goes into the studio is this:  he takes optical with him.
optical sits at the keyboards, and grooverider tells him what to do.  Now
before people go off in outrage about this, all it means really is that
grooverider doesn't have the technical knowledge.  The tracks are still
100% his own work.  He just doesn't push the buttons because he wouldn't
know which ones to push.  So while the tracks are definitely very good, I
wouldn't so much say he produced them... perhaps wrote them is a better term?

and whats this "he's not even a DJ" thing?  I didn't hear any trainwrecks.
I also haven't heard any on the tapes of him that I've heard.  That's
enough for me to assume he has skills.  So he didn't play all dark rollers
to please the purists.  so what?  Pleasing a certain person is not a
prerequisite to being called a DJ.  I like him, although I didn't
especially like his set on friday.

chris




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>anyway, i think it would be *really* cool to see some old surrealist flicks
>at a party, like salvador dali's Andalusian Dog
>i'll also add Metropolis and Tron to the list, but i think it is really fun
>when people make random film loops on super 8 (as long as the same loops
>aren't shown for ever and ever...)

yeah.. word up to the un cien andalou...  nosferatu would be cool along the
same lines

other movies and things i'd like to see at parties just because i'm a freak:
weekend at bernies II
morons in outer space
canadian bacon
world's largest gang bang III
police academy the TV series
cops : too hot for tv
fame whore (seriously one of the coolest movies i've seen.. hunt it down!)
spice world
ishtar

the list goes on and on and i'm still wasting bandwidth


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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, chris ege wrote:

> grooverider doesn't have the technical knowledge.  The tracks are still
> 100% his own work.  He just doesn't push the buttons because he wouldn't
> know which ones to push.  So while the tracks are definitely very good, I
> wouldn't so much say he produced them... perhaps wrote them is a better term?

the terminology used would be Grooverider is the producer, while Optical
is the engineer.

    randy / pr0zac



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ok, ok, so he's not horrible.  but compaired to his producing...
(everything is relative)  i kind of overstated my unsatisfaction with his
djing because there
are some phenominal dnb dj's out there and he's not one of them.  my whole=
=20
attraction to going to see him is the hopes of hearind dubplates that i will
never ever be able to buy.


- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



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>

>
 surrealist flicks
>at a party, like salvador dali's Andalusian Dog
 Metropolis and Tron...
>when people make random film loops on super 8 
>
>clips from vertigo and the pit and the pendulum might be 
fun, too

Don't forget Alice in Wonderland, Willy Wonka and the 
Chocolate factory, The Wizard of Oz, Wizards (the animated 
movie) 

>
>old 'don't do drugs' films from the 50's and 60's like 
reefer madness are also
>really amusing... they had one about drinking showing at 
the empty bottle
>last weekend at the frontier/trs-80 show


>>
>>> fantasia
>>> 2001: a space oddysey
>>> all the star wars movies
>>> light years
>>> blade runner

12 monkeys, Aliens, 

>>
>>hells yea!  When 2001 was showing in the theaters 
originally, there
>>were allegedly widespread complaints from parents 
because so many
>>kids were getting fucked up to see it for the light 
sequence at the end.
>
>i saw 2001 on the big screen at a film festival last year 
and all the kidz
>were getting fucked up to see it then, too.
>>
>>I remember at Metropolis they played the clip of the new 
Mos Eisley
>>scene from Star Wars with the Jawas & Ronto; looped all 
warped out
>>& backwards.
>>
>>> 
>>> but if the theme was evil + hardcore, other movies 
would be more
>>> appropriate like
>>> 
>>> terminator 1+2
>>> apocalypse now
>>> naked lunch
>>> caligula
>>> boxing helena
>>> phantoms 



you can add Parents, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon, a few 
select scenes from Graveyard Shift, The Exorcist, and 
Hellraiser flicks...

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another movie that might be fun is brazil. 
it is definiately a bizzare movie and pretty
intense...

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i almost forgot, clockwork orange...
i absolutely love this movie, i dunno
how good it would be without the audio
tho... its got crazy synths and ludwig van.. ;)

on willy wonka and the chocolate factory...
this movie is crazy !#$!@$
the part where they are in the boat, it was 
nuts... talk about bad trips... people might
die !@!


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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, dehumanizer wrote:

> i almost forgot, clockwork orange...
> i absolutely love this movie, i dunno
> how good it would be without the audio
> tho... its got crazy synths and ludwig van.. ;)

i have been to a party where this was shown. it is just as creepy without
the audio...

> another movie that might be fun is brazil.
> it is definiately a bizzare movie and pretty
> intense...

yup. i was thinking the same thing. if anything, just you can stare in
wonder at the composition of the scenes. :)

.zoki.


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I just wanted to post a tidbit about the party that Tammy & John held
this past weekend.  It was originally a celebration for John's birthday,
and it turned out that a few others had birthdays to celebrate that
night too.  

Many friendly faces both familiar and new.  It was great to see those
familiar faces, and to make acquaintance with the new.  The music was
great; quite a selection coming from all those who spun, sang (Troy, you
have such a beautiful voice!), or did a PA.  It was great to see the
people dancing; I haven't been to many house parties in which much
dancing occurred.  I guess it was due to the great dancefloor that their
basement floor made.  :)  

Thank you Tammy & John for all your hospitality (and Tammy for teaching
me how to roll sushi).  Despite my battle w/ the sleepies, my boyfriend,
Jeff (Crazy J), managed to stick it out until the end.  

I hope everyone made it home safely, and had a great weekend.  

Lots of Love,
Angel O:)

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why is everyone over looking ERASERHEAD?!?  or any of the other david
lynch films?  especially at a hardcore party?  or what about that anime
series that made all those kids have seizures?  ok, maybe that isn't such
a good idea.  maybe SLEEP by warhol would be cool in an ambient room. 
FREAKS would be cool.  basically, any creepy b&w film would be prime.  
i think that's enough from my sleep deped little mind.  enjoy...
	XOXO, 	  
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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> 
> these are just movies i can remember i've seen so i'm sure there's
> zillions i haven't.

Such as:

Brazil(or any Gilliam vid)
City of Lost Children(or any Jenet flick)
The Holy Mountain(or any Jordowski film)
Tetsuo: Tattoo of the Iron Man(not quite anime)
Eraserhead(or any other Lynch)
A CLockwork Orange

=exit=
-adam-

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	WORD! I have to debate which weekends i get off with my boss, so i
can go waste my youth away instead of working, which is what i should be
doing, instead of driving two hours ...with a big ass smile on my face.


> 
> but right now, this is part of what makes life beautiful for me. i still
> love it, the dancing, the music, the sometimes rare hugs. i love the
> people who are involved in this thing because it is important for its own
> sake. the dj's, real promoters, whoever. i love the kids who work shitty
> hours and shitty jobs and drive three hours for a party with a huge-ass
> smile on their face. 
> 

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I think the movie "Remote Control" would be campy to video loop.





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On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 05:18:44 -0500 dehumanizer <dehuman@lotek.org>
writes:

>i almost forgot, clockwork orange...
>i absolutely love this movie, i dunno
>how good it would be without the audio
>tho... its got crazy synths and ludwig van.. ;)
>
>on willy wonka and the chocolate factory...
>this movie is crazy !#$!@$
>the part where they are in the boat, it was 
>nuts... talk about bad trips... people might
>die !@!
>
>

My roommate & I were recently discussing how fuked up it would be to show
"Pink Flamingos" at a party.  Now that would definitely give people bad
trips ! =P

	-Joe

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> Grooverider is a horrible dj!  he's not even a dj!  he's an
----
i think he is a resident in several clubs in england.
and countless guest spots. so i would say he is a dj.

"but what is a dj if he cant scratch" hehe.

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well, it looks like there is life after the JVC in MPLS after all:)

element presents

STAR KISSED 420
4.18.98

John Aquaviva
canada

Robert Armani
chicago

Helium Crew-DJs Malice, Prolifix, & Volume J
los angeles

DJ Apollo
mpls

Jiz da Goods
mpls

also one more headlining act tba

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612.504.1969
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>> another movie that might be fun is brazil.
>> it is definiately a bizzare movie and pretty
>> intense...

Prety much *any* Terry Gilliam film is incredible :-) (And he's a MN 
native, how can you go wrong?! :-))

If you have 9 hours to kill, and want to see something *very* cool... 
watch these 3 films, in the folowing order:

Time Bandits
Brazil
The Adventures of Baren Munchausen


they are all connected in very strange ways, I wouldn't go as far as 
saying 'series' but they are all connected, in that order... :-)

He's easily one of my favorite film makers :-)

>yup. i was thinking the same thing. if anything, just you can stare in
>wonder at the composition of the scenes. :)
>
>.zoki.

-Craig
np - TRANCECORE!!! :-) hehehe

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fishead additions...

for happy parties...
Prospero's Books (the most visually intensive film I've ever seen)
Charlie And The Chocolate Factory (trip film for sure)
5000 Fingers Of Dr.T (live action Dr.Suess film)
adventures of Droopy

for hardcore parties...
Guinea Pig 2: Flower Of Flesh And Blood
Man Behind The Sun
Salo: 120 Days Of Sodom
Sociology 666
Mondo Weirdo

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for those kraftwerk fans..

10.06.1998 USA-Chicago, IL - Riviera Theatre
11.06.1998 USA-Detroit, MI - State Theatre

i hear they are quite a treat to watch live.
if you like those sort of things :>

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here's the explanation i got from the girls at the door on
the equadistant thing. they pulled out from original space
the week of because the original space wanted to 
charge them over 5 thousand dollars and they didn't want
to turn anyone away due to capacity levels. they still 
used the original sapce for the after hours though. didn't
go to that though, heard it was actually in elgin which is 
a little closer to chicago than madison but it's close to 
equidistant. at least the party didn't get busted like most 
of them have since the beginning of the year.

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dorfman adam tyr wrote:

> Brazil(or any Gilliam vid)
> City of Lost Children(or any Jenet flick)
> The Holy Mountain(or any Jordowski film)
> Tetsuo: Tattoo of the Iron Man(not quite anime)
> Eraserhead(or any other Lynch)
> A CLockwork Orange

nice list...

see if you can find The Dark Backward... fuckin' WEIRD movie... I think
it's got more on screen filth (as in soot/dirt/garbage) than any other
movie I've ever seen... just this layer of crud that covers
everything... really weird cast... it's about a garbageman who wants to
be a comic, but no one thinks he's funny until a third arm grows out of
his back... and his garbageman friend who'll eat anything and has a
fetish for incredibly obese women... also features Wayne Newton and Lara
Flynn Boyle...   Holy Mountain is kind of cool, but I think I liked El
Topo better... although Santa Sangre would fuck people up more than
either of those...  Tetsuo is wicked... the sequel (Bodyhammer)
sucked...

can't believe no one (not even me) suggested Dead Alive (or any Peter
Jackson films).... 
more for the hardcore violence..
Dawn Of The Dead
Zombie Holocaust
Jungle Holocaust
Cannibal Holocaust
Porno Holocaust
(you get the idea)...

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dgroove@juno.com wrote:

> My roommate & I were recently discussing how fuked up it would be to 
> show "Pink Flamingos" at a party.  Now that would definitely give 
> people bad trips ! =P

I think it would be great to loop that asshole sequence so that he's
sphincter synching along to bad house music...

that and running a loop of Divine's scoop, chew, smile routine at the
end of the film...

yum....

although my personal fave film is Desperate Living.... beautiful.

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How about a loop of the acid scene in Easy Rider, one of the best
portrayals of an altogether crazy acid trip that I have ever seen in a
movie...

Others:

Any Fellinni movie...8 1/2 comes immediately to mind
Old cartoons: Smurfs, Voltron, Thundercats, Care Bears
For a hardcore party: Ministry videos without the sound (Just One Fix
comes to mind), or tapes off of the operation channel (vasectomy anyone?)
Saturday Night Fever

AHhh that's enuff :)

Anyone want to explain to me privately how to go about creating loops for
a party?

PeaceLovePowerMagick
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Yeah, i keep forgeting to post about this.  i find out i don't have a car
to drive AFTER i get here.  then it took forever to d/l the software i
needed to check my mail and such.  so i missed the lovely party this past
weekend, but there's always this summer.  i'm here for like 4 months.

love
josh

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I think tron is one of the best ideas for this.  the movie is trippy.
also Dark Crystal would be cool too maybe, and the Never ending Story (the
origional, not that dumb sequel).  parts of that are cool too.  

love
josh


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Ok i just thought of one more

does anyone remember.  Silver Hawks?  kick ass cartoon, didn't last long.
this would be really neat-o groovy to show whilst you mix the techno.

love
josh

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In a message dated 3/9/98 3:00:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
johnsonl@marietta.edu writes:

> > grooverider doesn't have the technical knowledge.  The tracks are still
>  > 100% his own work.  He just doesn't push the buttons because he wouldn't
>  > know which ones to push.  So while the tracks are definitely very good, I
>  > wouldn't so much say he produced them... perhaps wrote them is a better 
> term?
>  
>  the terminology used would be Grooverider is the producer, while Optical
>  is the engineer.

no, it would be Produced and Engineered by Optical, Artistic inspirationa and
guidance by Grooverider...

paul

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In a message dated 98-03-09 11:16:30 EST, you write:

> City of Lost Children(or any Jenet flick)
> Tetsuo: Tattoo of the Iron Man(not quite anime)

Hells yeah, these 2 for sure, city of lost children is one of the weirdest
movies around and the scene in Tetsuo where he fucks that chick to death with
the iron dick, crazy shit!!!!!!!!!!!

ok peace
Doug dabajja

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, eric steenz wrote:

> 
> Any Fellinni movie...8 1/2 comes immediately to mind

absolutly!!  hadn't even thought of that one....howsabout the sarafina
dancing scene over and over and over....

> Old cartoons: Smurfs, Voltron, Thundercats, Care Bears
> For a hardcore party: Ministry videos without the sound (Just One Fix
> comes to mind), or tapes off of the operation channel (vasectomy anyone?)
> Saturday Night Fever
> 


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JUST WONDERING IF ANYONE HERE IS PLANNING ON  GOING TO-- 
--ALL GOOD-- IN COLUMBUS ON MARCH 21, 1998

THANKS 



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I noticed that a shindig w/Surgeon @ Chicago on 4/25 mysteriouslly
disappeared off the calendar.  Does anyone have any concrete information
of this party-to-be's wherabouts?

Cheers!
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please email me privately...i can't find your addy in my addy book!

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At 02:16 PM 3/9/98 -0500, Perica wrote:
>JUST WONDERING IF ANYONE HERE IS PLANNING ON  GOING TO-- 
>--ALL GOOD-- IN COLUMBUS ON MARCH 21, 1998
>
>THANKS 


whats the scoop on this? ain't heard nothing about it.


Gip


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Just got this from another mailing list from a friend... figured it may be
of interest to this list, too...


c r i t i c a l
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( 2 3 ) : evenings of intelligent electr0nic listening music every thurday
from 8-12
with resident dj's : [ jerry absract . tadd mullinix ]

m a r c h ------------------------------------------------]}} $3
[ 12 ] ---- sharif    (live set)
[ 19 ] ---- rotator    (interdimensional transmissions)
[ 26 ] ---- ghost 200    (live set)

a p r i l ---------------------------------------------------]}} $3
[ 02 ] ---- mare
[ 09 ] ---- derek plaslaiko    (mono productions)
[ 16 ] ---- michael geiger    (mono productions)
[ 23 ] ---- terrence parker    (intangible records+soundworks)


exhibit by the arts student league of detroit is on display from 3.6 -
3.28
gallery hours: fri. 3-6 + sat. 2-5 or by appointment.
*it doesnt cost anything, so you have no excuse!  This is detroits future.

critical is located at 1551 winder at the corner of winder and orleans in
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Does anyone out there know if Prototype 909 is still around?
On the flyer for HIGHER 98, Unit Park is advertised as being
"formerly known as Prototype 909", and the flyer I got on saturday
for STEP INTO A WORLD refers to Unit Park as "also known as Prototype
909".  From my previous understanding, Unit Park and Prototype 909
are two unrelated projects of Taylor Dupree's, not the same act under
a different name.  Anyone know the truth?
thanks,
Russ 


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In a message dated 3/9/98 4:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rschne1@uic.edu
writes:

> Does anyone out there know if Prototype 909 is still around?
>  On the flyer for HIGHER 98, Unit Park is advertised as being
>  "formerly known as Prototype 909", and the flyer I got on saturday
>  for STEP INTO A WORLD refers to Unit Park as "also known as Prototype
>  909".  From my previous understanding, Unit Park and Prototype 909
>  are two unrelated projects of Taylor Dupree's, not the same act under
>  a different name.  Anyone know the truth?

Unit Park is Deitrich and Taylor from P-909... or at least it is according to
Deitrich in his interview in Activated 9

paul

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On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Jesse Settle wrote:

> well, i hope you all had fun at meow mix.
> i did not go cuz I didn't feel like going all the way into south chicago 
> for it..
> why did future forces say equidistance chicago/milwaukee/madison..that's 
> impossible when the party is in chicago
> i'm pretty ticked..
> guess that's it for outta-state parties for me...i'm tired of the same 
> thing happening over and over again.

ok here is what happened...as according to dave.  They planned on having
it in chicago but then right before they printed the fliers threejay
called dave up an asked him to move the party because he had already
planned a party that weekend aand had his fliers out and everything.  Dave
agreed they pulled the fliers had them design to read equal distance...and
then planned on moving the party to rockford...he then found out threejay
had lied to him and the his fliers for "south side chicago 2" were not
out...and were not out for many weeks after...so they got pissed and moved
the party back to chi-town...that story is from one of the promoters
themselves....

-danXanthous


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i also heard that southside 2 steped to meow mix and that meow mix had
their date and fliers set first. =20


- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



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  besides all the crap about where it was going to be,
the party kinda bit ass anyway (meow mix). I was really
looking forward to hearing Trace and Mindrive and Paul Johnson, 
but as I thould have realized (duh!) Paul and Chad were at the 
winter music conference and I guess Trace just decided he wants
to be like Terry and show up whenever he feels like it.

besides that Bad BOy Bill wall really cool to watch for a while,
moderatly interesting to dance to, and sorta dumb to just listen to, 
his skills are amazing but its just lacking any sort of flowing sound....

ok, I really dont like jungle much so in the middle of the party the last
thing i wanted to hear was SLUGO, he didnt make me feel good at all.....
nothing against ghetto, it just sounded like crap to me......

then there was slak wich was pretty good and some random house dj, who was
ok till he decided the croud wanted to here all the played out records he had,
and it was over.

the sound was pretty good when we got there but towards the end it just
sounded shitty....

the lights sucked, too much lights from the vendors and front door, that with
low ceiling just made it suck.....

but I had fun with the people I went with and as long as you make
the best of your situation it doesnt really matter.... :)


word to your mother

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In a message dated 98-03-09 14:06:35 EST, you write:

> can't believe no one (not even me) suggested Dead Alive (or any Peter
>  Jackson films).... 

and i can't believe i've been watching this thread w/out piping up the
trippiest, most fucked-up thing i've ever seen and a surefire hit at parties

Meet the Freebles...

take the muppets, borderline porn, and a good dose and you have this film...

cheers
Blue

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What does "np:" mean?  I have seen it often, and I am getting mighty
curious about it.  Could someone please tell me?  (privately, please)

Thank you!
O:)

> ----------
> np: ....

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>What does "np:" mean?  I have seen it often, and I am getting mighty
>curious about it.  Could someone please tell me?  (privately, please)

np = now playing

it's what the writer is listening to as they type.  =)

np:  dj hype - drum & bass selection vol. 4


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++++++++++++++++++ i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" +++++++++++++++++++

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'evening,

Since I"m going to be in the studio tonight doing some work I thought I'd 
simply play records for y'all.  I won't be able to do any mixing becaue 
one of our turntables is out to lunch.  But I have some new(ish) records 
I haven't had a chance to listen to yet so I'll just dump it all on you 
guys.  Enjoy!    pnm://radiodistortion.com/test.rm



Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
http://barkingcat.org/		 Speed the day."   - Karl Marx


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Here are some of my ideas for loops &/or films:

Loops:

warp scenes in Contact and Stargate.  Esp. the opening scene in Contact.
Faboo graphix.   The party at the "moontower" in Dazed & Confused
(factoid:  Filmed at Austin's Zilker park, a frequented location for
many txraver outdoor parties)

Films:

Fun & Fancy Free (Disney:  Esp. the story about Bongo)
City of Lost Children (foreign)
Wily Wonka
**The Secret of Nimh**  (prime animation & lots of pretty colors)
(along with many others already named)

Peace,
Angel O:)

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> ----------
> From: 	David Herbert[SMTP:warprat@hotmail.com]
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> 
> 'ZuPz everybody, I'm Da WaRpRaT, new to the list as of 3.8.98.
> 
> Anyways, I was just gonna post some ideas for video loops at raves. 
> 
> 


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On FRIDAY, March 20, 1998

Detroit

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-tag teaming with-
dj hyperactive

aux 88 - live pa with guest DJ Digital

juan atkins

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dj miguel

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The kids who are throwing Spring (the previous message I sent) had a
problem getting flyers out, so spread the word, Detroit people... the
other party that weekend is a System party with 2 djs, and haven't their
last 2 or 3 parties been $25 each?  The SOL kids aren't about making
dough, and have a dope-ass lineup besides... definately worth going to.
Peace 
Becky



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I heard some artist sold his shit in a can... now that's high art!!

Phil

PS...then there was the guy who built a ramp and would masterbait underneath
it while people whould walk on the ramp. For real.. I learned this in art
history. 

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I used to have this projector gun toy that would project cartoon pictures of
Chuck Norris. I'd project the image right next to the real film loops and
start moving it around. Needless to say it would freak kids out. Sounds
stoopid.. but it rocked.

Phil

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1.Anything with Ron Jeremy. 

2.Ren & Stimpy
3.South Park
4.Heavy Metal (the Movie)
5.Wizards, Fritz the Cat, Cool World (the animated parts) (or any Ralph Bashki
movie)
6.the promoters home videos/movie of his/her 13th birthday
7.The Jackson 5 cartoon or the Brady Bunch Cartoon
8.Betty Page films (hoo lala!!)
9.gay porn (why not....)
10.Video Graff
11. Old rave footage of good parties of the past where everybody would be
shakin' ass...

Phil

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Did I mention KIDS??

Just the "I have no legs" part or the "Corndogs" part...hehehe!!

Phil

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>PS...then there was the guy who built a ramp and would masterbait underneath
>it while people whould walk on the ramp. For real.. I learned this in art
>history. 

sophie calle stalks people around paris, steals things from them, and puts
them in museums as art.

some lady stood naked in a room with 45 objects and let anyone do anything
to her with those objects.  she did this for something like 32 hours.

and some guy in the 60's killed himself trying to castrate himself as an
art act.

and damien hearst filled a huge tank with formaldehyde, cut a shark in half
the long way, and put half of it in the tank.  The owners of Virgin Records
UK finance this guy.  Other works by him include 2 tanks of formaldehyde
with a cows' head in each.

post-post-modern art (as my prof calls it) is very strange.

chris


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So... would you call raving an artform? Imagine..the promoter as the artist.
Not the DJ.

What would you do...


Phil

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Well, it looks like most of you got your wish, it is an unverified rumor that
Wil is moving to Cali soon, I got this from a good sorce I won't identify.
Since I seem to be the only one on this list that likes Wil this will prolly
get meet with great happiness. I happen to think this is a bad thing for the
Indy scene if not the MW scene.
**PLUR**
DL

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, PHILFART wrote:

> So... would you call raving an artform? Imagine..the promoter as the artist.

I've heard certain 'promoters' (how did we ever adopt this misnomer?
there's a damn lot more to organizing events than promotion!) call
themselves "Event Artists" or "Installation Artists". I think rave events
can definitely be art in their own way... I suppose you could say raves
are group performance art without an audience...

jeff


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please apologize for my waste of bandwidth...

i'm selling my mountain bike through an auction --

96 specialized rockhopper a1fs comp

check it out, the auction ends 03/10/98 01:06:13 

point your browser to 

http://iguana.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7558387

and make a bid if you can...  hurry, you only have a couple hours and i'm
kinda hungry... oh yeah, i gotta pay the rent too  :-(

thanks

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At 12:53 AM 3/10/98 EST, you wrote:
>
>Well, it looks like most of you got your wish, it is an unverified rumor that
>Wil is moving to Cali soon, I got this from a good sorce I won't identify.
>Since I seem to be the only one on this list that likes Wil this will prolly
>get meet with great happiness. I happen to think this is a bad thing for the
>Indy scene if not the MW scene.
>**PLUR**
>DL


Woohooo...It will be good for the scene to get him out of here...It will be
great for Indy...to have some good parties and not be ripped off...


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anyone seen documentation of chris burden's performances?  he's done all
sorts of interesting ones... like attatching himself to the wall of an
elevator with a sign on himself asking viewers to stick him with pushpins. 
he also did a piece where he stayed in bed for about a month, and another
where he and several others were trapped on step ladders in a room with live
electric wires that was slowly being filled with water.  he also had a piece
called "shoot" where he was shot in the arm.  but the documentation of this
work is worth checking out, if not just for the extreme close-ups of his
head as he describes the pieces and the voice over as he describes what is
happening.  like in "shoot" you hear: 
gun:  bang
chris burden:  that was the gun going off
cartridge dropping to floor:  clank
chris burden: that was the cartridge falling on the floor.

>>PS...then there was the guy who built a ramp and would masterbait
underneath
>>it while people whould walk on the ramp. For real.. I learned this in art
>>history. 
>
>sophie calle stalks people around paris, steals things from them, and puts
>them in museums as art.
>
>some lady stood naked in a room with 45 objects and let anyone do anything
>to her with those objects.  she did this for something like 32 hours.

was this carolee schneeman? i don't remember, but it sounds like her.  she
did lots of  body art in the 60's and 70's.  she just spoke at the art
institute last week, and somebody sort of did a performance piece before she
came.  they printed up a bunch of posters just like the ones advertising the
lecture and wrote cancelled across them, and passed them out a couple of
hours before the lecture. then, they presented a bunch of the posters to
carolee schneeman right before the lecture started and she took the box and
stomped all over it. 

>post-post-modern art (as my prof calls it) is very strange.
>
>chris

word, some of it is, esp. some performance and conceptual stuff. pretty much
anything goes these days, and i think that the stretching of the boundaries
of what is considered art is a good thing,  but i could go on for days about
my thoughts on contemporary and conceptual art so i'll quit while i'm
ahead...

laura

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:53:09 EST ShroomyGuy <ShroomyGuy@aol.com> writes:
>Well, it looks like most of you got your wish, it is an unverified 
>rumor that
>Wil is moving to Cali soon, I got this from a good source I won't 
>identify.
>Since I seem to be the only one on this list that likes Wil this will 
>prolly
>get meet with great happiness. I happen to think this is a bad thing 
>for the
>Indy scene if not the MW scene.
>**PLUR**
>DL
looks like he is getting ran out of indy just like he got ran out of nyc!
 now i don't have to worry about that fat fuck knocking my teeth down my
throat!  my condolences to whatever city he invades next!
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On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:21:08 -0600 chris ege <crege@students.wisc.edu>
writes:
>and damien hearst filled a huge tank with formaldehyde, cut a shark in 
>half
>the long way, and put half of it in the tank.  The owners of Virgin 
>Records
>UK finance this guy.  Other works by him include 2 tanks of 
>formaldehyde
>with a cows' head in each.

he also has a toy train track with a 'train' of dead rabbits that
mechanically move along the track.  this guy is fucking sick!  and i do
mean that in a good way!  
oh, let's not forget anny sprinkle.  she felt that the whole world should
get to know the female body, inside and out, so she did an exhibit, of
herself, complete with stirrups and speculum.  what an outgoing
individual.
	PLEASANT DREAMS,
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In a message dated 98-03-08 23:54:35 EST, you write:

<< 
 yea me too
 all i knwo its in nyc od 4-1 and its first ever all hardcore ont he eastcoast
 and its 8 hours
  >>


its not in NYC its in PA. somewhere at a resort. Mount Airy Lodge or
something.  i have the flyer but that means i have to run out to my car and
get it and im way too lazy right now. but if no one else can give you info,
let me know and ill get it for you.  Its not all hardcore, there is a hardcore
room, where there will be nothing but acid, techno and hardcore.  I really
fucking want to go but its the same night as Hullabaloo, grrrrrrrrrrrr, the
music at April is way better for my tastes, but i'll have more fun (less
attitude) at hullabaloo plus Brad D is spinning so i'll get my gabber fix.  ,
its dumb, but even if i love the music, i can't enjoy myself when im
surrounded by idiots and threatening people, then everyone has to deal with me
bitching about the rave scene for the 5 hours back.  if i know me at all, i'll
probally end up going to both, i can manage the 5 hour drive as long as that
hotel party is going to happen and people leave me alone long enough to sleep.
desicions, desicions.   


oh wait! heres the web site:  http://members.xoom.com/aprilfools2/
im not totally useless. :)  

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In a message dated 98-03-10 03:09:50 EST, BDisco123@aol.com writes:

<< o >>
yea  man noonne has told me yet

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did JJ Jellybean stop spinning?
i can't remember if i heard that or i dreamt that.

-Peggy (spinning...literally)

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>did JJ Jellybean stop spinning?
>i can't remember if i heard that or i dreamt that.

he did.

however, he will be doing a gig in may at brockout!  in chicago.

too bad it's 21+.  :(  :(  :(

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did anyone go to southside chicago 2?  that party has the priviledge of
being the first bad party i've been to in chicago!
sound sucked, lights almost gave me a siezure and there was no toilet paper
in the bathrooms (even though i wasn't the one that needed it).  danny
ALMOST saved the party by spinning a phat ass set but, like i said, the
sound sucked, so you couldn't really hear his phat ass set clearly.  ohh
and it was in an old movie theater, so it was awkward to dance with the
slope in the floor...almost fell on my face a few times...when i felt like
dancing.  i think justin long was on before hyperactive....since when did
them two become kings of spoonfeed?  top 40 dj hits and shit.  sounded like
i was listening to "homework".  
on a brighter note...there was no type of vibe.  

never thought i would feel old at a party...i'm only 20... i remember only
a couple years back seeing like 40 year olds and shit rockin out at a
party.  not to complain about y'all 16 year olds, but most of you DO act
your age.  
i think they sold out of pacifiers at the "buy my shit" tables.  and the
night was aglow (as usual) with glowsticks aplenty.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i'm spinning!  i'm in happy happy plurry plur
land!!!!!!!!!!!!   please.

suppose i'll quit my bitching, i can imagine that i'll get a few replies
saying "we need more positivity" but to be honest...aside from the music i
see nothing positive about this whole thing anymore.  but what else do i
have to do on a friday or saturday night...so i'll shell out my 20 bucks
just like the rest of you for the next bomb ass party of the year...and the
bomb ass party after that. or so they say.

Peas
Chad

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, dica! wrote:

> >did JJ Jellybean stop spinning?
> >i can't remember if i heard that or i dreamt that.
> 
> he did.

from everything i've been told, he stopped spinning jungle....though he
supposedly still spins hip hop....

> however, he will be doing a gig in may at brockout!  in chicago.
> too bad it's 21+.  :(  :(  :(

this upcomming Brockout will be his (i think) 3rd 'return set' in the last
three years--Top Secret (96), Brockout 101 (97) and the next sceduled
Brockout 101 (98). hopefully he'll drop the 'CHA Anthem'....them were the
dayz....

the only good thing about recently turning...*gasp*...21 is that i no
longer need to be one "peter flannery" from Ohio to enter the Liar's Club
(heh!)....you only got three years mr. dica :P

'ardcore junglist,
matt

p.s.
does anyone have any old JJ jellybean tapes? (please reply privately and
stuff)


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     Prototype 909's theorictally last out of state gig was the last big 
     party we threw.  Seems that one of the members wanted to leave.  Not 
     sure of which one.  I'm guessing that this will be one or 2 of the 
     members of the group.


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Does anyone out there know if Prototype 909 is still around? 
On the flyer for HIGHER 98, Unit Park is advertised as being
"formerly known as Prototype 909", and the flyer I got on saturday 
for STEP INTO A WORLD refers to Unit Park as "also known as Prototype 
909".  From my previous understanding, Unit Park and Prototype 909 
are two unrelated projects of Taylor Dupree's, not the same act under 
a different name.  Anyone know the truth?
thanks,
Russ 
     

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come on, kiddo.  don't be a fucking ageist.  i see kids at parties a hell
of a lot older than 16 acting 'immature' but, isn't that what parties are
for?  most people that i know go to parties to relax and have a good time
with their friends.  and if you're not around positive people, of course
you aren't going to have a good time.  there are still positive aspects
of 'this whole thing' but it's not like it used to be.  things are
constantly changing.  some for better.  some for worse.  some of the
newbies never got to experience how things where 'back in the day', and i
feel that it's kinda up to us 'old school' kids to show 'em what's up.  
 
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wrote:

>not to complain about y'all 16 year olds, but most of you DO act your
>age... 
>...suppose i'll quit my bitching, i can imagine that i'll get a few
replies
>saying "we need more positivity" but to be honest...aside from the 
>music i see nothing positive about this whole thing anymore.  but what
>else do i have to do on a friday or saturday night...so i'll shell out
my >20 bucks just like the rest of you for the next bomb ass party of the

>year...and the bomb ass party after that. or so they say.
>
>Peas
>Chad
>

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obviously, you have never been in the situation that i am in right now where
you don't really care where you get some money...  do you think i am a fucking
idiot and i have not already posted on newsgroups, asked some friends, as well
as posting in local bike shops?  if you paid attention, i had the bike for
sale for only three more hours and since i was able to sell the bike this
morning, i was able to pay the rent  and do not have to move out, plus because
the person who bought the bike from me SAW THE AD ON MW-RAVES, he had a kind
heart and gave me a couple more bucks so i can get by until my next paycheck.
if you know anyone who is into the sport of mountain biking, parting with his
bike is like a dj selling his turntables, which i might have resorted to if i
could not sell the bike.

of all the stupid posts and comments that i DELETE from mw-raves everyday
because they have (and i quote)" NOTHING to do with the charter of subject
matter of the lists", i think my cry for a little help from my rave community,
and i stress COMMUNITY, does not even deserve an apology.  rather, i would
like to thank everyone who made an offer to help me.  it is such a good
feeling to know that there are some people out there who care a little bit
more than how much they are going to delete from their in-box.  if you didn't
give a shit, why did you read the message anyway?  get off your fucking
heavenly cloud -- maybe one day you'll understand...

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE ON MW-RAVES WHO RESPONDED...  YOU CERTAINLY MADE MY DAY
AND HELPED ME WHEN I NEEDED IT, AND I NOW I CAN LOOK FORWARD TO BETTER TO
BRIGHTER DAYS  :-)


<<mw-raves is NOT the place to sell mountain bikes.  There are
local and regional newgroups, web forsale areas and bulletin
boards for such things... not to mention the newspaper, putting
up ads in local shopping centers and (hey what an idea) bike 
shops.

Just slapping "sorry for the waste of bandwith" doesn't do it.
You're not sorry, otherwise you wouldn't post it.  It has NOTHING
to do with the charter or subject matter of the list.




- Craig>>

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> newbies never got to experience how things where 'back in the day', and i
> feel that it's kinda up to us 'old school' kids to show 'em what's up.  

that's what I'm sprayin'

rather than sit back and complain about the state of the scene,
do something to help it grow in the right direction
Russ


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To our mw-raves friends --

My roommate had some financial difficulties recently and was extended an
overwhelming response from kids offering to help him out.  For those who know
us, I WAS NOT going to kick Jamie out because he could not come up with his
share of the rent, nor was I going to let him sell his bike!  For anyone that
cares, I bought his bike by paying his rent, so he will still be able to ride
whenever he wants. Thank you to everyone for showing him a little love, he's
been such a bitch to live with lately because of all of this!  Apologies to
Craig, no hard feelings I hope.  (Please no flaming, this is my email address
and I don't really have time for shit like that)

Nelson

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Jeff Gage wrote:

> themselves "Event Artists" or "Installation Artists". I think rave events
> can definitely be art in their own way... I suppose you could say raves
> are group performance art without an audience...

I think everone at a party is an artist,
and everyone is an audience member at the same time.

What is art but expression?
Some people think that the concept of 'vibe' is wack, but to me the vibe is 
what is created by the cummulative experience. 

elaine

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Okee...here's the stuff for this party straight from the flyer...if you
need directions (from mpls) drop me a line-
You can pay your way at the door...and if you're wondering who Trip Efx
and Focus are they're basically both students at carleton college.  I
forget what Trip Efx spins but I want to say house.  Focus spins a good
set of goa trance and is pretty good techincally.

__________________________________________________________

On Friday the 13th - Join DJ's...

TRIP EFX
-Hong Kong

MAD KID
-St. Paul - MN

Lil' Aaron
-Mpls - MN

Alex Jarvis
-Mpls - MN

DVS1
-Mpls - MN

Focus
-Phoenix - AZ

@ the Center of the Universe
5031/2 Division Street (upstairs)
Northfield, MN 507.645.1663

Time:9PM-3AM         Cost:$5.00

Infolines:

Flatscience - 612.257.7362
HUSH Prod.  - 612.215.7236

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	I think I missed something here, but what happened to the JVC? I
haven't been paying attension to the list for the last three months.
				
						elc

	"If I can't dance, I don't want to be a part of your revolution."
     )							-Emma Goldman-
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  c[ ]  Mmmm, Chai.


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In a message dated 98-03-10 01:00:16 EST, you write:

> I suppose you could say raves
>  are group performance art without an audience...

i actually liken the concept of raves to that of opera - an assimilation of
different art forms... in opera, there is a combination of music, drama, and
the visual aspect of the stage set, etc...

a rave is a combination of sounds, visuals, and promotion, as well as the vibe
created by everyone in attendance.  what's unique in this case is that the
audience is creating the "art" for itself, not some outside viewer..

but it's not a drama, or a concert, or a performance... it's not even a party
in the typical sense...

we're part of a fascinating thing, aren't we, kids??


cheers
Blue

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I suppose you could say raves are an over priced all ages nightclub,
without a permanent venue.

> ----------
> From: 	Jeff Gage[SMTP:gage@hyperreal.org]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, March 10, 1998 12:00 AM
> To: 	Midwest Raves
> Subject: 	Re: so you want controversy...
> 
> On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, PHILFART wrote:
> 
> > So... would you call raving an artform? Imagine..the promoter as the
> artist.
> 
> I've heard certain 'promoters' (how did we ever adopt this misnomer?
> there's a damn lot more to organizing events than promotion!) call
> themselves "Event Artists" or "Installation Artists". I think rave
> events
> can definitely be art in their own way... I suppose you could say
> raves
> are group performance art without an audience...
> 
> jeff
> 
> 

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i think that raves are an extraordinary piece of live performance art.

the "primary artist(s)" are the promoters/producers....who have a vision
to create an environment...an installation of sorts ...which we would call
a "rave"

the "secondary artists" are the sound, lighting, visual, djs, live acts,
any other installation art that exists at a rave.   these artists create a
more tangible version of performance art..i.e. sound, lights, music, etc.
they entertain the tertiary artist

the "tertiary artists" are the audience...the crowd...  they create a vibe
when interacting with themselves and the secondary artists...   they are
entertained 9and can be entertaining  ;)     

personally when i have produced a rave.....i dont get much from the
secondary artists..why?  usually too busy/occupied to pay attention....
...when i stepped back and "observed" at Aural.Gratification ...   i was
kind of taken over...like wow..this is an installation...an overwelhming
art installation..now that i look back..    the ligths, the sound, the
visuals, the djs, the live acts , the crowd,...all intertwining with each
other to create this piece of art.

thats what it means to me at least

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
next art.installation:ZoikZ!:4.11.98::217.353.5111
     				      217.353.5225


> 
> > I suppose you could say raves
> >  are group performance art without an audience...
> 


> 
> we're part of a fascinating thing, aren't we, kids??
> 
> 
> cheers
> Blue
> 


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At 12:07 PM 3/10/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>> newbies never got to experience how things where 'back in the day', and i
>> feel that it's kinda up to us 'old school' kids to show 'em what's up.  
>
>that's what I'm sprayin'
>
>rather than sit back and complain about the state of the scene,
>do something to help it grow in the right direction
>Russ
>
>
>
see now, i've tried many a time to do a lil' sumsum on my own....whether it
be throw a party, hand out candy, and i am always in a 'positive' frame of
mind when i'm at parties.
the thing about having a party in milwauke (even if it's FREE) is that
people decide they don't want to be there if there isn't any beer.  i'm
serious.. it was summer, we had all types of soda and and shit, people
walked in the door asked if there was any beer, saw that there was not,
then left.  i still want to throw some more parties, but i no longer have
my house and it really isn't high on my list of priorities to shell out the
duck's to rent a space, with the way things have become.

so you can think that i'm "sitting and complaining", but when it comes down
to it, we ALL have to think "what have i done to help the scene?".  i used
to embrace the diversity of people at parties. now there really isn't much.
 to me, all i see is bunch of kids bringing their highschool dramas to a
"safe place" to do drugs...and what CAN i do about that? i'm not 'supposed'
to tell them that i don't feel they are welcome, i'm not supposed to
alienate them because i feel their actions only serve to speed up the
demise of our "scene". you see, it IS now trendy to be a "raver". this is
not the only thing that is hurting us, but certainly it must be a big part
of it.

for years, i heard about how bad things were on the coasts with drugs and
shit.  i was like "damn i'm glad i live here" and even now i'm glad that
things here aren't as bad as there in the way of drugs at parties (from
what i'm told)  and there have been a few good parties in the last couple
years that i wouldn't have traded anything for the experience...but the
majority of the parties i go to, all i see are a bunch of cliquey kids
giving a vibe that they are 'underground as fuck' and i should just get the
hell on cuz' i don't know what's up.  that's probably true now...i got into
this a.) for the music and b.) to get the hell away from high school dramas
and show a bit of love.

i guess when it comes down to it, the blame falls entirely on the media and
us...yes i did know it was comming, i tried to do my part but maybe i could
have tried harder...what did you do to stop it?  you knew it was comming,
too.  i can accept that i'm part of the problem, even though i tried to be
part of the solution...which is a bitch to think about, but that's the way
it is.  
everyone always said that we need more positivity, more love, they talked
about something callled PLUR.  but not everyone embraced these things and
showed them with every thought, word, or deed.  these things just became
slogans for the rave corperation.  imagine what we could have done if all
of our realities (inside the party and out) would have revolved around
these ideals!  there are ALOT of people who go to parties, and we could
have moved mountains.
so now i ask, is it beyond repair? if not, are we prepared to do what it
takes to fix it? wear spandex if necessary if only to show a bit of
diversity? :) well maybe not spandex.  would you boo a dj off stage (i
disagree with stages,too) if they aren't giving you your money's worth?
or...stop going to parties altogether and lay low for awhile till we can
start over again?  
infiltrate MTV's headquarters in NYC with a bomb? :) ohh wait no don't do
that, i like to watch daria.  

by the way...i'm Chad. i'm 20 years old,and i subscribed to this bad boy
like two days ago... moved to greenfield from the east side of milwaukee in
september.  live right by southridge mall so as to maximize my trendiness.
:)  used to subscribe to SEraves list but there was too many people on that
and i couldn't check my mail often enough to keep up with the messages.
there's more to my existance, but this isn't the place to write it.

Corn,
Chad

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>we're part of a fascinating thing, aren't we, kids??

not any more so than any other youth movement of the past.

:P

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.................. i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" ...................
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Message-ID: <199803021253.HAA26925@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>

>To: Lora
>From: Heidi Segner <segner.3@osu.edu>
>Subject: A joke we came across
>
>>From: +EDE@CSI.compuserve.com
>>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:56:05 -0500
>>Subject: A joke we came across
>>Sender: +EDE@CSI.compuserve.com
>>To: jackie kiefer <jackiefer@hotmail.com>
>>Cc: Heidi Segner <segner.3@osu.edu>
>>Content-disposition: inline
>>
>>Hey!  8)
>>
>>
>>The Lord's Prayer in Ebonics
>>
>>
>>
>>Ebonics                                                                
   
>>                                        English
>>
>>Big Daddy's Rap                                                        
   
>>                              The Lord's Payer
>>
>>Yo, Big Daddy upstairs,                                                
   
>>                          Our Father, Who art in Heaven
>>
>>you be chilling                                                        
   
>>                                    Hallowed by thy name
>>
>>so be yo hood                                                          
   
>>                                  Thy Kingdom come
>>
>>you be saying it, I be doin' it                                        
   
>>                           Thy will be done
>>
>>In this here hood and yo's                                             
   
>>                          On Earth as it is in Heaven                  
   
>>                                                      
>>
>>gimme some eats                                                        
   
>>                              Give us this day our Daily bread
>>
>>And cut me some slack, Blood                                           
   
>>                   And forgive us our trespasses
>>
>>Sos I be doin' it to dem dat diss me                                   
   
>>                   As we forgive those who trespasses against us
>>
>>don't be pushing me into no jive                                       
   
>>                      And lead us not into temptation
>>
>> And keep Dem Crips away                                               
   
>>                      But deliver us from evil
>>
>>Cause you always be the man, G                                         
   
>>                  For thine is the Kingdom, forever.
>>
>>Straight up                                                            
   
>>                                                                      
Amen
>>  
>>
>>


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 10 22:41:46 1998
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Hi all, if anyone is heading to Cancun for spring break, check out a bar
called Ola in the Carocol plaza (playa?).  We were down there last week,
and the place was very small and had amazingly good music, trance, house,
breaks.  There were only about 20 people there cause the place is really
small but everyone was really friendly.  The djs found out we wer from
Detroit and showed us all there records from Detroit.  Also La Boom plays
some house in their big room sometimes, whenever the music got good we
would start dancing about the same time the frat boys slowed their
grinding on the sorority girls and looked confused.  Isn't that always the
way.
Becky


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 10 22:59:48 1998
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     AHHH former SERavers unite.  We are gonna take over the list!
     
     I agree with what your saying, but I don't know the solution.  
     Downsouth we had a similiar situation.  I solved it by throwing mostly 
     house parties at my parents lake place.  Well, thats not an option 
     here(anyone with a lake house want to adopt me???), but I think the 
     principle holds.  I still believe that small parties, ie less then 500 
     people are the best.  Of course at that size, something has to give.  
     Back home I knew alot of local talent and so DJ costs for night were 
     real cheap.  Most DJ's I know will spin for free for a good party.  
     Maybe not true of the bigger names, but you never know till ya ask.
     
     -Giles


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Subject: Re: positivity (you knew it was coming)...ahh haha though!
Author:  mw-raves-owner-ALAN.D.HUDSON=monsanto.com@hyperreal.org at INTERNET
Date:    03/10/1998 3:50 PM


     
by the way...i'm Chad. i'm 20 years old,and i subscribed to this bad boy 
like two days ago... moved to greenfield from the east side of milwaukee in 
september.  live right by southridge mall so as to maximize my trendiness. 
:)  used to subscribe to SEraves list but there was too many people on that 
and i couldn't check my mail often enough to keep up with the messages. 
there's more to my existance, but this isn't the place to write it.
     
Corn,
Chad

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 10 23:33:56 1998
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i have just fully updated my list of mixtapes (and CDs) which is posted on
the partner communications trading site. i forgot to put my (unofficial)
tape on that list too (oops so it's not a total update), anyway i have
that too + it's all minimal techno. so if anybody wants to trade with
me look at my list then send me your list. here is where it is located:

http://www.ravedata.com/mixtapes/wwwboard/messages/290.html

charlie schultz: i just sent your tapes today.

jon braun: i will send you a tape in a couple of days.

fergus: give me your address + i'll send you a copy of the tape by lisa n.
eliaz and manu le malin, in return for that one of mine.

  ***** =] **** =] *** =] ** =] * !elias! * [= ** [= *** [= **** [= *****


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 10 23:38:40 1998
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On 10 Mar 1998 ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:

>  I still believe that small parties, ie less then 500  people are the
>  best.

agreed 1001%.. I've told myself dozens of times now that 'this will be my
last mega party'.. but still I keep coming back ;)

>  Of course at that size, something has to give.  

disagreed 73%.. I dunno, before I started throwing parties, I had _no_
idea how much $$$ was involved, but it really isn't /that/ much.  I mean,
if a promoter is throwing a $10 party expecting 400-500 kidz, that's a
pretty sizable budget.. enough to fly in some talent, as well as have a
well produced event.  Sure, when the party is $25 with 3-4000 peeps, you
can have some huge expo center and fly in rob hood and the surgeon.  But
even with a $3000 budget, a seriously WIKKED party can be thrown together.
Profit margins may not run too high, but then again, how many promoters
actually make money on events?  :P

ah well.  see y'all @ gabberjunglewar!

-pete
[FiZ, rural AmeriKa]
boston.massif.invades...ZOIKZ!...4/11/98...(217).353.5111
                                           (217).353.5225
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 11 00:05:56 1998
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I'd respond privately, as I originally did to Jamie's post, but since
he wanted to bring it out in the open...

CLUBkid000@aol.com:

> obviously, you have never been in the situation that i am in right now 
> where you don't really care where you get some money...

At one point in my life I stumbled into a pawn shop and sold my
watch and graduation ring just so I could buy food for that week.
But, "obviously", I have never been in any sort of situation like
yours.

Gimmie a break.

> (...) and since i was able to sell the bike this
> morning, i was able to pay the rent  and do not have to move out, plus because
> the person who bought the bike from me SAW THE AD ON MW-RAVES, he had a kind
> heart and gave me a couple more bucks so i can get by until my next paycheck.

Hmm, according to your roomate, Nelson:

> I WAS NOT going to kick Jamie out because he could not come up with his
> share of the rent, nor was I going to let him sell his bike!  For anyone that
> cares, I bought his bike by paying his rent, so he will still be able to ride
> whenever he wants. 

Seems like you wouldn't have had to post anything on this list.
You could have talked to the damn guy you live with.  Your bike
wasn't sold.  You wouldn't have been kicked out.

	[calls] *ring ring*

	"Emergency service.  Can I help you?"

	"I'm broke and I can't pay my rent."

	"You dialed 911.  Is there an emergency?"

	"OBVIOUSLY, you have never been in the situation that I am in right
	now..."

Look, I'm not some ogre, and it's not like I've never been strapped
for cash that I've needed to sell, borrow, beg or steal.  But as
I've stated before on this list, there are LIMITS to the topics
discussed here and just because you can't make your rent payment is
really *NO* reason to try to pawning off your shit on mw-raves.

You know, I'm kind of horny right now, I think I'll post to the
"mw-raves family" and ask to see if someone could help me out with
THAT...




- Craig

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One thing that I've noticed in regards to problems with the
scene here in the states (as was mentioned by Dietrich of Unit Park
in that last interview) is that there seems to be a fundamental lack
of respect for the music.  I get the impression from many parties
I go to these days that a large percentage of the crowd doesn't 
even know or care who's spinning, and that the music isn't that
important to them.
Russ


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S T A R . K I S S E D

04.18.98.minneapolis

420 celebration

featuring

- JOHN AQUAVIVA
- ROBERT ARMANI
- THE HELIUM CREW
- APOLLO
- JIZ DA GOODS

plus 3 more headliners t.b.a.

more info as i get it...

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friday march 13, 1998
northfield, minnesota

at

center.of.the.universe

- alex jarvis : mpls.soul.music
- d.v.s.1 : h.u.s.h.
- lil aaron : perpetual.groove
- polter : jvc
- mc brace : jvc
- trip efx
- focus

$5.00
9pm - 3am
at The Center Of The Universe (coffee shop)
503 1/2 Division St. Northfield, MN

directions + info:

612.257.7362 - flatscience
612.215.7236 - h.u.s.h.

or call center of the universe - 507.645.1663

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Source + 3rd Dimension present

M I D W E S T . W O N D E R L A N D

Saturday, April 11th 1998
Chicago, Illinois, USA

LIVE PERFORMANCES

- 187
- Q.SYSTEM
- DOSE
- CZR

DISC JOCKEYS

- JOHNNY FIASCO
- SPECIAL K
- CREATOR
- MINDCONTROLLER
- HENRY VENGEANCE
- FIERCE
- PHANTOM 45
- DANNY THE WILDCHILD
- LEGO
- HALO
- STAR EYES
- DAMIAN
- STEVE POINDEXTER
- ELLERY COLES
- MARK ALMARIA
- SUBMERGE
- STORMSHADOW AKA 10 BEAR
- NOTORIOUS NINO
- CRASH

plus
the official 'midwest.wonderland' preparty

A N O T H E R . D I M E N S I O N

friday.4.10.98

with djs

- MARK LANCASTER
- PAUL NORMAN
- SUBMERGE 101
- SEVEN
- DAMIAN
- ARLAN DERUSSY
- SHAFT
- LADY D
- DRUID
- FEMME XTTC
- MATT KNEE

pre.sale ticket information:

tickets will be on sale for $20.00 from 03.01 - 04.10 at:

UNTITLED - 773.404.9225
270 n. clark
chicago
GRAMMAPHONE - 773.472.3683
2663 n. clark
chicago
HIP HOUSE - 773.237.2188
6560 w. fullerton
chicago
HOT JAMS - 773.581.5267
5012 s. pulaski
chicago
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5608 w. 63rd st
chicago
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1653 n. damen
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MAIN INFO LINES

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ADVANCED TICKET INFO

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INFO

312.409.1661 - r.s.s.
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773.509.5050 - boogie box
630.415.3158 - njoy
847.604.0579 - uptempo dance
847.604.3116 - unique
773.509.4975 - simple
312.409.7249 - strictly jungle
414.777.3998 - drop bass
414.256.1350 - network 10
608.283.7885 - order of the trance
414.256.1397 - particular malfunction
219.235.7071 - logsquared
317.767.5394 - jello
219.235.4881 - unique
612.257.7362 - flatscience
612.399.1724 - ecstatic music
718.390.7176 - park rave madness
213.630.3189 - bigger & bolder

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At 06:21 PM 3/10/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>One thing that I've noticed in regards to problems with the
>scene here in the states (as was mentioned by Dietrich of Unit Park
>in that last interview) is that there seems to be a fundamental lack
>of respect for the music.  I get the impression from many parties
>I go to these days that a large percentage of the crowd doesn't 
>even know or care who's spinning, and that the music isn't that
>important to them.
>Russ

i agree...that is what i see.  
>
>
>

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This is NOT appropriate for mw-raves. Not only is it completely off-topic
and nearly illegible, it's also offensive. (to some)

Please, keep this kind of crap off the list.

jeff gage
mw-raves admin


On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Rachel Newton wrote:

> the lines are messed up but this is really funny

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Jeff Gage                                            gage@hyperreal.org

              Are you an anomaly or perhaps an algorithm?

http://www.hyperreal.org/~gage        for://ward.the.new/rev/olut.ion!


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hi
i would like to apologize for the ebonoics our father i sent out earlier today.  i am aware it is in no way , shape or form rave-related but i found some humor in it and i hoped others would to.  i did not intend to offend anyone; if i did, i offer my sincerest apologies.  i guess that's the last time i send anything to the list that i think is funny.
sorry for the inconvenience
rachel


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i don't really know why that comes as a suprise to anyone, kids not
caring about the music.  if i went to raves only for a "safe place"
to do drugs, why in the hell would i care who was spinning?  however,
i DO care who is spinning...i go for the music and to be with my
friends that i wouldn't see otherwise.  what about a lack of respect
for those of us out there who do care about the music?  sure i know
sometimes djs are double booked and what not but nothing is more
frustrating than getting all psyched for a dj who doesn't show...

>>> Russell E Schneider <rschne1@uic.edu>  3/10/98, 06:21pm >>>

One thing that I've noticed in regards to problems with the
scene here in the states (as was mentioned by Dietrich of Unit Park
in that last interview) is that there seems to be a fundamental lack
of respect for the music.  I get the impression from many parties
I go to these days that a large percentage of the crowd doesn't 
even know or care who's spinning, and that the music isn't that
important to them.
Russ



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> sometimes djs are double booked and what not but nothing is more
> frustrating than getting all psyched for a dj who doesn't show...

Tell me about it.
TRACE was the main reason I bought tickets for Meow Mix.
Russ


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At 07:30 PM 3/10/98 EST, you wrote:
>Source + 3rd Dimension present
>M I D W E S T . W O N D E R L A N D
>Saturday, April 11th 1998
>Chicago, Illinois, USA


hey, im not gonna tell anyone what to do with their time or anything..  but
may I suggest a more value-packed party on the same night?  In Urbana, IL
there's a party goin on called zoiks!  featuring Timestretch and some
people from the sessionz crew out of boston, plus casper out of chicago and
matt positive.. plus some others I can't remember.  But anyhow it's being
thrown by mw-raves' own long-time listmembers Jes and MikeyD.  Don't
support the bullshit chicago mega-rave scene!  you know only 1/3 of the
acts on the flyer will be there, and it'll be filled with 5000 crackhead 16
year olds...  so go to FLAVOR COUNTRY.  go where the vibe is.  go to urbana. 

chris
 


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from the art institute of chicago magazine
opinion  Rave Culture: The End of an Era  by Kumar McMillan
There was once a phenomenon which began roughly a decade ago in Great
Britain and spread out all over the Western Hemisphere.  "Rave" was
the most common name for this intense dance ritual.  Basically, the
idea behind it was to dance, be yourself, be free, be young at heart,
and to have a good time.  THere was a simple sound arrangement with a
DJ console, a plethora of speakers, maybe a minimal laser show, but
most importantly, a field of emotional energy among the mixed crowd. 
It was a vibe.  It was a family feeling.  There was never any
violence in the theory behind it.  But not everyone shared that same
theory.
    Some say raves are about the illegal breakins to warehouse venues
which became a city trend for promoters.  Others say it's all about
acid, ecstasy, GHB, special K and the like.  But I have my own
theory.  From my very first experience, the rave culture had been
about freedom and rhythm.  It was always put on by the people who
were out there with you on the dance floor and by the DJ's who were
playing the underground sound of rhythm-drenched, electro-phonic
disco groove that was unique to the rave scene and constantly
evolving within itself.  It was pure.  We were all there together to
feel the collective energy.  Raves were about getting the adrenaline
pumping through your veins by dancing all night until the sun rises. 
Raves were tribal and human.  The drugs only came in because the idea
of intensity set the stage for a perfect market place.  The drugs
were never a focus of my experience and, getting closer to the scene,
I found that many others didn't use drugs to feel the same highs you
get from dancing hours on end.  Unfortunately, as the scene evolved, 
the purity was lost, the positivity was lost, and profit put money in
promoters' pockets.
     No longer are there parties that cost less than ten dollars and
no longer are there parties without three or four people walking the
entrance queue mumbling some code work for a drug deal.  What little
parties left are either top-dollar money-making schemes run through
corporate giant, Ticketmaster, with glamorous, expensive flyers, or
they're broken up before midnight by the grinning fire marshal who
rattles off some story about a fire hazard.  It seems that people
stopped caring about the dancing, party-goers and DJ's stopped caring
about the music, and the crowd stopped caring about each other.
    History tends to repeat itself, so hopefully there will be one
day be a dance scene revival.  I can remember a time when you could
meet up with your friends to seek  out the downtown warehouse party
of the evening, maybe get in for free, but never more than five
dollars.  There was never someone selling fake drugs and there was no
nitrous tank in the parking lot with some freak selling balloons. 
Sure the drugs filtered in one way or another, but it was never the
focus of the event.
     The peak of the scene was when the parties managed to escape the
urban stronghold and move out to the outer edge of civilization.  THe
past few years, on every full moon, L.A. DJs would haul all their
equipment to the nearest desert and throw "Moontribe" right out in
the open starry sky.  No one was to be bothered by the noise, no fire
marshal was there to escort the crowd out of some downtown warehouse
and all in attendance had to truly have the determination to be there
(the location sometimes a five-hour drive outside city limits).  The
vibe was pure, everyone was there to celebrate the rhythm and rhythm
providers and like Jimi Hendrix said about the desert sunrise, "you
can watch the sun rise from the bottom of the ocean".  Moontribe,
however, managed to fall like the rest of them.
       One event in particular ended when someone managed to flip
over a car and cause all sorts of problems.  Party-goers say the
recent increased hype of the event has led to radio announcements
givings 1000s of listeners directions over the air.  Obviously people
showed up looking for "something to do" and were not really there to
be a part of the event.  This is just one example.
      On NYE 1997, LA promoters made huge, full color posters to
promote a downtown rave event.  Twenty to thirty big names were on
the DJ list and tickets were running through Ticketmaster at $25
each.  The result was that 10000 people showed up at the downtown
convention center and at about 11 pm the whole event was shut down
with a queue of 5000 angry ticket holders lined up around the outside
of the building.  THe police shut the whole thing down due to 3
incidents of people overdosing on a free stimulant handed out by
vendors inside.
      The police acted irresponsibly.  Instead of arresting the
vendors and warning everybody not to take the alleged drug, they
immediately brought in a squad of policemen in riot gear and shot
rubber bullets into the crowd.  I was in the thick of it all but
managed to find refuge on the 6th level of a nearby parking
structure.  What I witnessed was the downfall of rave culture.
      Most US cities seem to be experiencing the same regression. 
HOwever, the scene is not completely dead.  WIth the right
organization and controlled promotion, there is potential for a
revival.  Many promoters are working with their city, getting permits
for venues and even establishing weekly events.  As for right now,
things aren't looking good, but that won't cause the best of us out
there to lose faith in a culture that once brought us freedom, rhythm
and energy.

any comments?     


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In a message dated 3/11/98 12:31:30 AM, you wrote:

>hey, im not gonna tell anyone what to do with their time or anything..  but
>may I suggest a more value-packed party on the same night?  In Urbana, IL
>there's a party goin on called zoiks!  featuring Timestretch and some
>people from the sessionz crew out of boston, plus casper out of chicago and
>matt positive.. plus some others I can't remember.  But anyhow it's being
>thrown by mw-raves' own long-time listmembers Jes and MikeyD.  Don't
>support the bullshit chicago mega-rave scene!  you know only 1/3 of the
>acts on the flyer will be there, and it'll be filled with 5000 crackhead 16
>year olds...  so go to FLAVOR COUNTRY.  go where the vibe is.  go to urbana. 
>
>chris

Urbana?? where the fuck is Urbana, IL??  Sounds like a hole-in-the-wall town
full of stupid ass college kids and shitty "raves-list" over-seers.  And this
MikeyD guy?  I have been on here 29 years and have never heard of him?  But I
did go to a few parties in that town thrown in a house by a longhaired guy who
liked my t-shirt and his bald friend that never stopped smilin'.  They were
part of some UTC!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well...its depressing to read a lot of that... I think to a certain extent
its true....

But please dont forget there are still ravers out there...scattered amongst
the party kids...people who arent doing lines off the banisters or
whatever...people who will still love you if you introduce yourself with a
hug and a smile and maybe some candy for the real tough nuts.  People who
dress a certain way not because everyone else does but because it
accentuates their dance and is just a little more eye candy/brain fodder
for  the world.  People who enjoy brushing their teeth on the sidewalk for
that fresh feeling when the party is over and you are covered in rave funk
and here comes the sun up over lake Michigan...

There are still people who are mastering the rhythm and making the vibe...
There may only be flashy $20 lineups and oversized flyers but some of the
ravers are still around...

But what the hell do I know...I never went to england.

Nathaniel



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>On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Jeff Gage wrote:
>
>> themselves "Event Artists" or "Installation Artists". I 
think rave events
>> can definitely be art in their own way... I suppose you 
could say raves
>> are group performance art without an audience...
>
>I think everone at a party is an artist,
>and everyone is an audience member at the same time.
>
>What is art but expression?
>Some people think that the concept of 'vibe' is wack, but 
to me the vibe is 
>what is created by the cummulative experience. 
>
>elaine
>

Of course this is just my humble opinion, but


All life and is "art" and everyone who creates is an 
"artist"... 

Some people think vibration is "wack"? There wouldn't be 
music or light without vibration... how can they be 
against such things? The vibration of a situation 
("party") is the average of the vibratory rates of all 
objects and bodies in the vicinity. All things vibrate. 
Sorry for the long spiel but I just don't get the idea of 
thinking vibes are "wack"... HUH?


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>>
>>
>see now, i've tried many a time to do a lil' sumsum on my 
own....whether it
>be throw a party, hand out candy, and i am always in a 
'positive' frame of
>mind when i'm at parties.
>the thing about having a party in milwauke (even if it's 
FREE) is that
>people decide they don't want to be there if there isn't 
any beer.  i'm
>serious.. it was summer, we had all types of soda and and 
shit, people
>walked in the door asked if there was any beer, saw that 
there was not,
>then left.  i still want to throw some more parties, but 
i no longer have
>my house and it really isn't high on my list of 
priorities to shell out the
>duck's to rent a space, with the way things have become.
>
>so you can think that i'm "sitting and complaining", but 
when it comes down
>to it, we ALL have to think "what have i done to help the 
scene?".  i used
>to embrace the diversity of people at parties. now there 
really isn't much.
> to me, all i see is bunch of kids bringing their 
highschool dramas to a
>"safe place" to do drugs...and what CAN i do about that? 
i'm not 'supposed'
>to tell them that i don't feel they are welcome, i'm not 
supposed to
>alienate them because i feel their actions only serve to 
speed up the
>demise of our "scene". you see, it IS now trendy to be a 
"raver". this is
>not the only thing that is hurting us, but certainly it 
must be a big part
>of it.
>
>for years, i heard about how bad things were on the 
coasts with drugs and
>shit.  i was like "damn i'm glad i live here" and even 
now i'm glad that
>things here aren't as bad as there in the way of drugs at 
parties (from
>what i'm told)  and there have been a few good parties in 
the last couple
>years that i wouldn't have traded anything for the 
experience...but the
>majority of the parties i go to, all i see are a bunch of 
cliquey kids
>giving a vibe that they are 'underground as fuck' and i 
should just get the
>hell on cuz' i don't know what's up.  that's probably 
true now...i got into
>this a.) for the music and b.) to get the hell away from 
high school dramas
>and show a bit of love.
>
>i guess when it comes down to it, the blame falls 
entirely on the media and
>us...yes i did know it was comming, i tried to do my part 
but maybe i could
>have tried harder...what did you do to stop it?  you knew 
it was comming,
>too.  i can accept that i'm part of the problem, even 
though i tried to be
>part of the solution...which is a bitch to think about, 
but that's the way
>it is.  
>everyone always said that we need more positivity, more 
love, they talked
>about something callled PLUR.  but not everyone embraced 
these things and
>showed them with every thought, word, or deed.  these 
things just became
>slogans for the rave corperation.  imagine what we could 
have done if all
>of our realities (inside the party and out) would have 
revolved around
>these ideals!  there are ALOT of people who go to 
parties, and we could
>have moved mountains.
>so now i ask, is it beyond repair? if not, are we 
prepared to do what it
>takes to fix it? wear spandex if necessary if only to 
show a bit of
>diversity? :) well maybe not spandex.  would you boo a dj 
off stage (i
>disagree with stages,too) if they aren't giving you your 
money's worth?
>or...stop going to parties altogether and lay low for 
awhile till we can
>start over again?  
>infiltrate MTV's headquarters in NYC with a bomb? :) ohh 
wait no don't do
>that, i like to watch daria.  
>
>by the way...i'm Chad. i'm 20 years old,and i subscribed 
to this bad boy
>like two days ago... moved to greenfield from the east 
side of milwaukee in
>september.  live right by southridge mall so as to 
maximize my trendiness.
>:)  used to subscribe to SEraves list but there was too 
many people on that
>and i couldn't check my mail often enough to keep up with 
the messages.
>there's more to my existance, but this isn't the place to 
write it.
>
>Corn,
>Chad
>


How very defeatist and depressed you sound. I'm sorry...


I'm not anyone to the "scene"...  I'm acient compared to 
the people I see at parties (24) and I'm treated as 
such... I'm never talked to except by the people I came 
with cuz they know I'm "cool" and it's "okay" to talk to 
me.. 

  You see I have been around this country a time or two 
and I've seen a thing or two, but because I am 24 and have 
long hair, I have to be introduced to the the guy throwing 
the ESC party instead of just talking to him.... The only 
thing killing this alive and vibrant scene is bad attudes 
and self serving expectaions about PLUR. Elitism and 
"I've-been-here-longer-than-thou" pretenses just serve to 
cause peple to become disillusioned.

   There are other underground "scene"s around the globe 
that have nothing to do with music, but most ravers are 
too busy being cool to acknoledge them... Much less learn 
from them..


  So people like me have to just keep on dancing and not 
even try to help this scene... Cause every time we try, 
we're glared at because we're just too old. Too new to 
parties. and who wants to talk to some long-haired hippie 
looking freak when that groovy chick over there has some 
great hreoin (oops, I mean xtc) for sale... 


  I love you, whoever you are reading this message, but 
some of your friends just ruin this whole "scene" for 
everyone, and the ones who don't ruin it don't stop it... 
they just whine. So the only thing left is the music... 
That's why I go to parties... It's the saving grace of an 
otherwise snobbish and elitist orgy of contempt.



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BTW: Richard D. James (Aphex Twin) is also a long haired fucking freak 
and if he went to a rave, I'd be the ONLY person there who would have 
the balls to talk to him and accept him.

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> ----------
> From: 	Blueslim9[SMTP:Blueslim9@aol.com]
> Sent: 	 March 10, 1998 3:11PM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	Re: so you want controversy...
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-10 01:00:16 EST, you write:
> but it's not a drama, or a concert, or a performance... it's not even
> a party in the typical sense...
> 
> we're part of a fascinating thing, aren't we, kids??
> 
Right-O.  The entire embodiment of the rave scene is such an amazing
thing, there are truly no small number of words to fully describe it.

One of the main aspects of the scene that had me hooked was the vibe.
(I already had been enjoying the various stylings of electronic music
since the late 80's.)  The first rave-list event I had attended was in
Austin, TX, called "Barefoot in the Park."  When people I didn't know
came up to me, talking/smiling/hugging/giving out candy & such, I was
overwhelmed. 

Never had I experienced such friendliness to strangers.  Where I was
"from", things like that never happened.  I had the idea in my head that
pretty much everyone was superficial & could care less what I had to
say.  The feeling I had after I left that party could not be described
in words; I literally broke down crying I was so happy that I found what
I had.  

Hopefully, someday I will be able to throw a rave with those elements
that truly make it what it is.

Peace,
Angel O:)

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>Actually, it was quite funny, and could be considered somewhat relevent
>given the rather miserable grasp of the english language often displayed by
>joe raver.  Perhaps, some will reconsider their butchery of the language,
>but I doubt it.  In some people's eyes being cool will always be preferable
>to being understood.
>
>Unfortunately, saturation levels of misbegotten english have seeped into
our
>collective unconscious osmotically.  I have caught myself speaking in this
>mode a few times.   For one who desires precision of speach this is
>insufferable.
>
>tim
>
>
>




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>You know, I'm kind of horny right now, I think I'll post to the
>"mw-raves family" and ask to see if someone could help me out with
>THAT...

right here, BABY!

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>Tell me about it.
>TRACE was the main reason I bought tickets for Meow Mix.

so who knows the deal on this, anyhow?  he's the only one unaccounted for.

someone give us the 411, eh?  mike?


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>hey, im not gonna tell anyone what to do with their time or anything..  but
>may I suggest a more value-packed party on the same night?  In Urbana, IL
>there's a party goin on called zoiks!  featuring Timestretch and some
>people from the sessionz crew out of boston, plus casper out of chicago and
>matt positive.. plus some others I can't remember.  But anyhow it's being
>thrown by mw-raves' own long-time listmembers Jes and MikeyD.  Don't
>support the bullshit chicago mega-rave scene!  you know only 1/3 of the
>acts on the flyer will be there, and it'll be filled with 5000 crackhead 16
>year olds...  so go to FLAVOR COUNTRY.  go where the vibe is.  go to urbana. 

i would have to agree.

would you trust a listmember or a typical chicago promoter?

big up the champbana massive for bringing in some new talent to the area.
hopefully i'll see y'all there, patent pending.


in the immortal words of public enemy....


"DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!"


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>But please dont forget there are still ravers out there...scattered amongst
>the party kids...people who arent doing lines off the banisters

not me!!!  i do the mad rails!

rock on, honkies!

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>from the art institute of chicago magazine
>opinion  Rave Culture: The End of an Era  by Kumar 
McMillan
>There was once a phenomenon which began roughly a decade 
ago in Great
>Britain and spread out all over the Western Hemisphere. 
 "Rave" was
>the most common name for this intense dance ritual. 
 Basically, the
>idea behind it was to dance, be yourself, be free, be 
young at heart,
>and to have a good time.  THere was a simple sound 
arrangement with a
>DJ console, a plethora of speakers, maybe a minimal laser 
show, but
>most importantly, a field of emotional energy among the 
mixed crowd. 
>It was a vibe.  It was a family feeling.  There was never 
any
>violence in the theory behind it.  But not everyone 
shared that same
>theory.
>    Some say raves are about the illegal breakins to 
warehouse venues
>which became a city trend for promoters.  Others say it's 
all about
>acid, ecstasy, GHB, special K and the like.  But I have 
my own
>theory.  From my very first experience, the rave culture 
had been
>about freedom and rhythm.  It was always put on by the 
people who
>were out there with you on the dance floor and by the 
DJ's who were
>playing the underground sound of rhythm-drenched, 
electro-phonic
>disco groove that was unique to the rave scene and 
constantly
>evolving within itself.  It was pure.  We were all there 
together to
>feel the collective energy.  Raves were about getting the 
adrenaline
>pumping through your veins by dancing all night until the 
sun rises. 
>Raves were tribal and human.  The drugs only came in 
because the idea
>of intensity set the stage for a perfect market place. 
 The drugs
>were never a focus of my experience and, getting closer 
to the scene,
>I found that many others didn't use drugs to feel the 
same highs you
>get from dancing hours on end.  Unfortunately, as the 
scene evolved, 
>the purity was lost, the positivity was lost, and profit 
put money in
>promoters' pockets.
>     No longer are there parties that cost less than ten 
dollars and
>no longer are there parties without three or four people 
walking the
>entrance queue mumbling some code work for a drug deal. 
 What little
>parties left are either top-dollar money-making schemes 
run through
>corporate giant, Ticketmaster, with glamorous, expensive 
flyers, or
>they're broken up before midnight by the grinning fire 
marshal who
>rattles off some story about a fire hazard.  It seems 
that people
>stopped caring about the dancing, party-goers and DJ's 
stopped caring
>about the music, and the crowd stopped caring about each 
other.
>    History tends to repeat itself, so hopefully there 
will be one
>day be a dance scene revival.  I can remember a time when 
you could
>meet up with your friends to seek  out the downtown 
warehouse party
>of the evening, maybe get in for free, but never more 
than five
>dollars.  There was never someone selling fake drugs and 
there was no
>nitrous tank in the parking lot with some freak selling 
balloons. 
>Sure the drugs filtered in one way or another, but it was 
never the
>focus of the event.
>     The peak of the scene was when the parties managed 
to escape the
>urban stronghold and move out to the outer edge of 
civilization.  THe
>past few years, on every full moon, L.A. DJs would haul 
all their
>equipment to the nearest desert and throw "Moontribe" 
right out in
>the open starry sky.  No one was to be bothered by the 
noise, no fire
>marshal was there to escort the crowd out of some 
downtown warehouse
>and all in attendance had to truly have the determination 
to be there
>(the location sometimes a five-hour drive outside city 
limits).  The
>vibe was pure, everyone was there to celebrate the rhythm 
and rhythm
>providers and like Jimi Hendrix said about the desert 
sunrise, "you
>can watch the sun rise from the bottom of the ocean". 
 Moontribe,
>however, managed to fall like the rest of them.
>       One event in particular ended when someone managed 
to flip
>over a car and cause all sorts of problems.  Party-goers 
say the
>recent increased hype of the event has led to radio 
announcements
>givings 1000s of listeners directions over the air. 
 Obviously people
>showed up looking for "something to do" and were not 
really there to
>be a part of the event.  This is just one example.
>      On NYE 1997, LA promoters made huge, full color 
posters to
>promote a downtown rave event.  Twenty to thirty big 
names were on
>the DJ list and tickets were running through Ticketmaster 
at $25
>each.  The result was that 10000 people showed up at the 
downtown
>convention center and at about 11 pm the whole event was 
shut down
>with a queue of 5000 angry ticket holders lined up around 
the outside
>of the building.  THe police shut the whole thing down 
due to 3
>incidents of people overdosing on a free stimulant handed 
out by
>vendors inside.
>      The police acted irresponsibly.  Instead of 
arresting the
>vendors and warning everybody not to take the alleged 
drug, they
>immediately brought in a squad of policemen in riot gear 
and shot
>rubber bullets into the crowd.  I was in the thick of it 
all but
>managed to find refuge on the 6th level of a nearby 
parking
>structure.  What I witnessed was the downfall of rave 
culture.
>      Most US cities seem to be experiencing the same 
regression. 
>HOwever, the scene is not completely dead.  WIth the 
right
>organization and controlled promotion, there is potential 
for a
>revival.  Many promoters are working with their city, 
getting permits
>for venues and even establishing weekly events.  As for 
right now,
>things aren't looking good, but that won't cause the best 
of us out
>there to lose faith in a culture that once brought us 
freedom, rhythm
>and energy.
>
>any comments?     


Yeah, ever hear of Kent State? The alleged end of the 
60's... Well, the only thing that ended was the TV 
coverage of a movement... the people never left, just like 
the Rave Culture will not die if it is a valid culture. 
   High dollar magazine reporters will come and go, but 
underground (whether it's rave or something else) will 
always exist.. (And it's got nothing to do with age)

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At 12:16 AM 3/11/98 PST, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Jeff Gage wrote:
>Of course this is just my humble opinion, but
>
>
>All life and is "art" and everyone who creates is an 
>"artist"... 
>
>Some people think vibration is "wack"? There wouldn't be 
>music or light without vibration... how can they be 
>against such things? The vibration of a situation 
>("party") is the average of the vibratory rates of all 
>objects and bodies in the vicinity. All things vibrate. 
>Sorry for the long spiel but I just don't get the idea of 
>thinking vibes are "wack"... HUH?

:) 

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From: nanodust <nanodust@electricculture.com>
To: MikeyD <mikeyd@pubnix.org>
Subject: Re: raves and performance art (fwd)

>what do you think?

i think technology has enabled cultural acceleration to the point where the
terms 'artist' and 'audience' are indeed obsolete.

but this only has meaning to those who have grown up in such an environment;
The Youth.

So i suppose i would say that the only people i would assign the term
'Artist' to in 1998 are those who span the gap between what we've tapped
with global electronic youth culture and culture as a whole.

cases in point, aphex twin collaborating with phillip glass on ICCT Hedral.
Alex Patterson sampling steve reich in Little Fluffy Clouds.

Over time such things will become less of a novelty and within thirty years
the gap will be closed.

Are promoters to be called >> "Event Artists" ?
sure. just remember there are bad artists.

>> I think rave events can definitely be art in their own way...

they are. The sad thing is that currently it's still a simulation; there's
still a 'real world' out there that hasn't been exposed to much of what we
experience.

>Some people think that the concept of 'vibe' is wack, but to me the vibe is
>what is created by the cummulative experience.

indeed, those that think the concept of vibe is wack will never quite get it
and should just stay home and watch vurts on the tOob.

which reminds me, 'rave' is now a decade old.
new term, anyone?

0n
_______
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experience.



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somehow I was unsubbed from the list, and i had to resub... if you sent me
any private email in the past 2 days, please resend it.

-Becky =)

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*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> Never had I experienced such friendliness to strangers.  Where I was
> "from", things like that never happened.  I had the idea in my head that
> pretty much everyone was superficial & could care less what I had to
> say.  The feeling I had after I left that party could not be described
> in words; I literally broke down crying I was so happy that I found what
> I had.  

I think its groovy and all people have these experiences and that its so
life changing for so many people, but for me it was mostly just a cool way
to hear music I liked. To me raves are just parties with kickass music on 
loud systems. They are not religious shrines to any PLUR god, nor did they
change me in any way. 

Its all dependant on the individual....

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At 12:50 AM 3/11/98 PST, you wrote:

>
>I'm not anyone to the "scene"...  I'm acient compared to 
>the people I see at parties (24) and I'm treated as 
>such... I'm never talked to except by the people I came 
>with cuz they know I'm "cool" and it's "okay" to talk to 
>me.. 

*snip*

there is a lighter side to every story and i have one for this story. :) my
parents have been to 2 parties so far and at both parties they've attended
(prism + and aural gratification--urbana rocks :) ) people have met them
with mad love and respect. i'll never forget the image of my parents
standing by the speakers at prism +, their pockets full of toys and candy
given to them by various people, each holding a smart drink and talking to a
couple of kids. my dad told me that at one point he was sitting by himself
and people kept coming up to him and asked him if he was having a good time
and talked to him for a while. J N S: don't lose hope, there are still
plenty of friendly people at parties (and lots of them will be in urbana for
zoiks! on april 11! *plug plug* ;) ). hey, my parents were so impressed with
the people they met (well, the people and: "what do you call this? 'drum n
bass'??") they came back for aural grat, and they both plan on attending
zoiks!. don't lose heart; the good people are out there, you just haven't
found us yet. :)

rebecca.
--------
rebecca butler
smiles@soltec.net
http://www.soltec.net/~smiles
                                
 "take a music bath once or twice
  a week for a few seasons and you 
  will see that it is to the soul
  what a water bath is to the body."
                     -oliver wendell holmes         


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Friday, March 27 in Peoria IL
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In a message dated 98-03-11 00:52:19 EST, you write:

>  Instead of arresting the
>  vendors and warning everybody not to take the alleged drug, they
>  immediately brought in a squad of policemen in riot gear and shot
>  rubber bullets into the crowd.  

NYE '97.... 10,000 people??  how come i've never heard of this incident?? that
would seem to be a newsworthy, as well as a hot topic for outraged ravers....

can anybody confirm if this is true...


cheers
Blue

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not VERJUNGLE, but VERGE...

At 05:19 PM 3/9/98 -0600, Prugh E. George wrote:
>tri-quad presents:
>
>                     (:>>>>>>>>>>[]ALL GOOD[]<<<<<<<<<<:)
>                      saturday     columbus      march 21
>
>                                   ><featuring><
>
>                  THOMAS MICHAEL         DAN EFEX
>                  ==trance==                  ==hard trance==
>                                      **also**
>                 VENOM                                 STAN
>                 <<happy hardcore>>                    <<house>>
>                 VERJUNGLE                           GOATBOY
>                 <<jungle>>                               <<gabber>>
>                 S. BROWN                              OPTIMUS
>                 <<live pa>>                              <<techno>>
>                 JOE-FOE                                ALPHA LINK
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 11 20:09:21 1998
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> Yeah, ever hear of Kent State? The alleged end of the 
> 60's... Well, the only thing that ended was the TV 
> coverage of a movement... the people never left, 

hear of it? that's where i am right now. that's where i live. and you're
right the people never left ;) the place is full of hippies + there are
still war protests. i'm not really for or against either, just an
observation. hmm hmm hmm, how is this rave related? this town needs to
have some parties. there have only been 4 as far as i can tell. well i'm
working on it.

-greta


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 11 20:19:42 1998
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sum of ya have asked me about where the f$CK I got that freekin jungle
horn, and others have asked me where they can get one.  Well, peter's
finally done some research and found a steady supplier for a pretty decent
price.

My hookup is in Boston (4front), and I'm going there over spring break
(3/19->3/29), and I'd be more than willing to pick some up for people 'n
save shippings costs.  Hey, maybe they will cut me a cheep0 deal if I get
a bunch of them.

The hornz are the genuine Acme model 566.. 125db kick w/ replacable
mouthpiece 'n all that jazz.  No BS here.  I *know* that black is going to
be available, but I think neon green and neon orange is available as well.

I can pick them up for roughly $20-25 a pop.  The *official* distributor
sells them for $48.40 + shipping + tax [fuck that!].. you can confirm all
that w/ pinac@megsinet.net [official distrib].

So, if anyone is interested, email me w/ how many you want and the
_prefered_ color, and we'll work out some sort of funding/delivery scheme
;)

Unfortunately, I can't get them for GabberJungleWar, as Scottie @ 4front
doesn't get his shipment in until next week :(  [but they will be here for
Zoikz! ;p]

whee!
-pete
-- 
Sorry, want to trade brains?  I can't seem to shut mine off.  dam thing. 
<EOT>



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 11 20:32:31 1998
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Hey my mw-raves friends,

Here's the skinny, on Saturday, March 14th (minneapolis), I'm gonna move 
all 1200 watts of my soundsystem (42" of bass) into my bassment, and let 
it all rip :-) I'm gonna keep this on the low key side of things, 
because I don't want tons of tweekers, and it's gonna be BYOB (because 
there will be minors there, and I don't want to get thrown in jail. 
DON'T BRING MORE THEN WHAT YOU PERSONALLY WANT TO DRINK!). If you need 
directions, please email me. If you plan on bringing any friends, PLEASE 
tell me in advance. Take care, and I'll see all of you (hopefully) on 
saturday. Festivities start arround 8-9pm:-) Bring a few bucks too, if 
you want to order some pizza's or anything :-) This will be a very good 
chance to meet your fellow MN-net-ravers :-)

ANYONE CAN SPIN, BUT *IF* YOU WANT TO SPIN, TELL ME AHEAD OF TIME.

IF YOU PLAN ON ATTENDING, YOU NEED TO RSVP PRIVATELY TO xotis@visi.com 
or xotis@hotmail.com!!!!!

-Craig

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That's fuckin' awesome!!!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> there is a lighter side to every story and i have one for this story. :)
my
> parents have been to 2 parties so far and at both parties they've
attended
> (prism + and aural gratification--urbana rocks :) ) people have met them
> with mad love and respect. i'll never forget the image of my parents
> standing by the speakers at prism +, their pockets full of toys and candy
> given to them by various people, each holding a smart drink and talking
to a
> couple of kids. my dad told me that at one point he was sitting by
himself
> and people kept coming up to him and asked him if he was having a good
time
> and talked to him for a while. J N S: don't lose hope, there are still
> plenty of friendly people at parties (and lots of them will be in urbana
for
> zoiks! on april 11! *plug plug* ;) ). hey, my parents were so impressed
with
> the people they met (well, the people and: "what do you call this? 'drum
n
> bass'??") they came back for aural grat, and they both plan on attending
> zoiks!. don't lose heart; the good people are out there, you just haven't
> found us yet. :)
> 
> rebecca.
> --------
> rebecca butler
> smiles@soltec.net
> http://www.soltec.net/~smiles
>                                 
>  "take a music bath once or twice
>   a week for a few seasons and you 
>   will see that it is to the soul
>   what a water bath is to the body."
>                      -oliver wendell holmes         
> 

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>In a message dated 98-03-11 00:52:19 EST, you write:
>
>>  Instead of arresting the
>>  vendors and warning everybody not to take the alleged drug, they
>>  immediately brought in a squad of policemen in riot gear and shot
>>  rubber bullets into the crowd.
>
>NYE '97.... 10,000 people??  how come i've never heard of this incident?? that
>would seem to be a newsworthy, as well as a hot topic for outraged ravers....
>
>can anybody confirm if this is true...
>
>
>cheers
>Blue



Yeah, it's true, I was there too, getting gassed and shot at with rubber
bullets with the rest of em, three city blocks shut down in the middle of
LA for us kids to run through scared shitless. Suddenly the sound cuts out
after there had been several announcements about the drink that was making
kids eeverywhere drop like flies....then you look over and at the edge of
the crowd is 300 cops in riot gear holding guns, with huge helmets with
facegaurds.  it was so unreal. People were getting hit by cars, people were
knocking out windows of cop cars, because of the way the LAPD chose to
handle the situation.  One friend of mine was running down the street (we
all were) and when he turned the corner to go towards his car, a LAPD
officer began to beat him to the ground with his baton. I will never forget
this night. And the thing is, in LA things have the tendency to get really
crazy like that, because the events are so massive. This was very
newsworthy, and sparked a huge controversy. It got plenty of coverage, on
the news, in the papers, in lots of magazines like urb and lotus around the
country.  i have pictures too.  all in all a wack situation.  We had
friends in the hospital because of that free drink, and had to call around
to make sure they were still alive.  the police confiscated boxes of the
vials that they passed out and testing was done, they concluded that anyone
who mixed it with other drugs were the ones who got fucked.  I think it had
kabakaba or something like that, it was some herbal x thing.  I have a
friend who thinks that the free vials were part of a conspiracy to
contribute to the bad reputation of raves and to try to bring down any
events like this in LA.  I can't see how they could have let someone in
with that shit to such a huge, mainstream event, and let them just hand it
out. the promoters threw another party this new years, with the huge
poster-fliers and all.  Circa 97, in seventh heaven, that's what this
catastrophe was called.

--
megan a healy
Northwestern University
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   this saturday march 14 
      in urbana illinois,
          its time to get 

   NNN     NN  UU      UU  MMMM   MMMM  BBBBBBBB
   NN NN   NN  UU      UU  MM MM MM MM  BB     BB
   NN  NN  NN  UUU    UUU  MM  MMM  MM  BB BBBB
   NN   NN NN  UUUU  UUUU  MM   M   MM  BB     BB
   NN     NNN  UUUUUUUUUU  MM       MM  BBBBBBBB

                         featuring:
                         johnsin (massive, milwaukee)
                         mark lancaster (east side crack, minneapolis)
                         cylert (st. louis)

             plus locals:
              fiz (gabba)
           mumra (jungle)
           vijay (jungle)      
          tetsuji (tekno)
          monarch (house)
      ryan miller (tekno)
          plus many more!

                         jungle, tekno, hip-hop, 
                         hardcore, trance, house
                         2 sound systems
                         2 dollars
                         10pm -

                  gro collective
                   217.353.5225
                  gro.rollin.com


                      direx:
     from north or south, take I57 to I74 east
     from east or west, take I74

     exit I74 at lincoln ave go south
     after ~5 min take a left on green st. (stoplight)
     take a right on busey (the next block)
     take a left on high (the next block)
     address: 709 w high

     approx 2hrs from chicago/indianapolis, 
            2.5hrs from st. louis
            3.5hrs from louisville   



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 11 20:51:38 1998
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>*snip*
>
>there is a lighter side to every story and i have one for 
this story. :) my
>parents have been to 2 parties so far and at both parties 
they've attended
>(prism + and aural gratification--urbana rocks :) ) 
people have met them
>with mad love and respect. i'll never forget the image of 
my parents
>standing by the speakers at prism +, their pockets full 
of toys and candy
>given to them by various people, each holding a smart 
drink and talking to a
>couple of kids. my dad told me that at one point he was 
sitting by himself
>and people kept coming up to him and asked him if he was 
having a good time
>and talked to him for a while. J N S: don't lose hope, 
there are still
>plenty of friendly people at parties (and lots of them 
will be in urbana for
>zoiks! on april 11! *plug plug* ;) ). hey, my parents 
were so impressed with
>the people they met (well, the people and: "what do you 
call this? 'drum n
>bass'??") they came back for aural grat, and they both 
plan on attending
>zoiks!. don't lose heart; the good people are out there, 
you just haven't
>found us yet. :)
>
>rebecca.


THANK you Reecca and the others who have sent me positive 
reinforcement since I sent out my whiny note... I'ts good 
to know that not all "ravers" are snobbish geeks... Now if 
I can just find my way to a party with people like you.... 
      :)    Seriously, Thank You!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 11 21:37:47 1998
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A couple people have been talking about not being accepted in raves 
because they are either:
  A)too old
  or B)not in the scene "long" enough
I really have to agree with some of their issues.  I'm seen as being too 
young for raves(17).  For instance, when I was at Teenage Wasteland I 
was talking to a group of people and they were 19,20,early 20's and 
such.  When I told them I was 17, they gave me this look like I 
shouldn't even be there.  There's also a lot of people that think if 
you're not a DJ and you don't have 1200's you shouldn't even be at the 
party.  I know a guy who's a total dick to me, just cuz i'm young and my 
mixing sounds like shit.  That's not the whole point of raves, being 
elitests.  The reason I go to raves is because I like dancing and 
listening to good dj's who play good tracks.  
I'm not looking for a safe place to get fucked up, my car would do fine.  
I would just like to be accepted, and be in an accepting crowd no matter 
who they see.  Let's try to make it this way.
peace,
Jesse

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>NYE '97.... 10,000 people??  how come i've never heard of this incident??
that
>would seem to be a newsworthy, as well as a hot topic for outraged ravers....
>can anybody confirm if this is true...

yeah, it's true... it was on the national news and everything.  what the
hell was that party called?  Circa 97 or something... jeff gage was there,
i think.  he should be able to fill us in.

chris


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i just got on this list today...a little info about a party next month,
check the bottom half of this post...:)...road trip time...

here is the link to that party...more info than this post has...
http://smoke.sdsmt.edu/~party

and another party in may that is going to be held in a REAL castle in the
middle of the forest...CHECK IT OUT!!!....another road trip...:)

http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/mtn/castle

plur...and as the old dj icey song goes....
"if we love each other...join hands"

j.love
*303*collective
http://members.tripod.com/~three_oh_three

Date: April 4th
Info: 605.394.2882
Location: A secure Rapid City area location.
Cost: TBA

Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST demanded DJ's
in the
Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.

Trigga Happy Cyko -- Omaha NE -- Next Level Records, Omaha Underground,
Omaha
Jungleistic Society
Tilzs -- Rapid City, SD -- Zoop Productions
Ishe -- Denver CO
DMX -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
J.Love -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
Slippy -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective

More Locals TBA

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 11 22:23:44 1998
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In a message dated 98-03-11 05:28:06 EST, you write:

> >Tell me about it.
>  >TRACE was the main reason I bought tickets for Meow Mix.
>  
>  so who knows the deal on this, anyhow?  he's the only one unaccounted for.
>  
>  someone give us the 411, eh?  mike?

Umm, I heard form kid entropyezzzzzzzzzzious that Trace is a very great
conesuor (sic) of illegal substances, and that he probably missed his plane
cause of that fact.
This is not fact but it's fairly reliable info.

peace

Doug da bajja

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warning.. incoming $3.03..

>   A)too old
>   or B)not in the scene "long" enough
> I really have to agree with some of their issues.  

what makes raves raves and not just 'tekn0 concerts' to me is the
acceptance & pride in diversity.. I wouldn't be anything like I am today
if I hadn't hit upon raves when I did and where I did.

I agree with you in that I see those age discrimination thangs going on
_all_the_time_, but I've made it an issue to fight the whole age thang.
shit.. I've only been in the MW for 7 months now, and this is the second
time I've gotten into this discussion =)

but, what I'd like to propose is that those parties in which people AREN'T
accepted for who they are instead of what they wear, where they're from,
or how long they've been doing XYZ, ARE NOT RAVES.  They are just some
elite techno event.

Not to diss elite techno events :)  shit, jungle roots/sessionz in boston
is absolutely _wikked_, but it is 19+.

> When I told them I was 17, they gave me this look like I shouldn't even
> be there.  

psst.. there are plenty of st00pid people @ raves

> I'm not looking for a safe place to get fucked up, my car would do fine.  

er.. you prolly don't want to get fucked up in yer car.. that leads to
getting fucked up in some ambulance!

> I would just like to be accepted, and be in an accepting crowd no matter 
> who they see.  Let's try to make it this way.

w0rd.

peas n carrots 
-pete 
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>My hookup is in Boston (4front), and I'm going there over spring break
>(3/19->3/29), and I'd be more than willing to pick some up for people 'n
>save shippings costs.  Hey, maybe they will cut me a cheep0 deal if I get
>a bunch of them.

question:  what's up with 4front's website?!?


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> warning.. incoming $3.03..
> 
:)...now thats what i'm talking about...

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 11 22:30:38 1998
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>
>> Yeah, ever hear of Kent State? The alleged end of the 
>> 60's... Well, the only thing that ended was the TV 
>> coverage of a movement... the people never left, 
>
>hear of it? that's where i am right now. that's where i 
live. and you're
>right the people never left ;) the place is full of 
hippies + there are
>still war protests. i'm not really for or against either, 
just an
>observation. hmm hmm hmm, how is this rave related? this 
town needs to
>have some parties. there have only been 4 as far as i can 
tell. well i'm
>working on it.
>
>-greta
>
>
   How is this RR? Well, I was trying to draw a parallel 
between another mass underground movement. Hippie culture 
was orgiastically exploited by the media and then 
abandoned when things got ugly... The same will happen to 
the Rave Culture... MTV will get tired of it and 
mainstream Amerika will drop it like steaming pile as soon 
as little kids start showing up on Geraldo saying 'Raves 
ruined my life' or the first LARGE party to have a riot . 
All the high schoolers will drop out and what you'll have 
left are the only people who mattered to begin with, the 
purists and hardcore LOVERS of the artform. THAT'S when it 
gets good! Of course, this is only my opinion. :)

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, dica! wrote:

> question:  what's up with 4front's website?!?

hit 209.130.62.126

the DNS is officially "ON HOLD" [meaning they fergot to pay the 'NIC]
as for why is the content next to null?  no comment ;P




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In a message dated 98-03-11 16:37:50 EST, you write:

> I really have to agree with some of their issues.  I'm seen as being too 
>  young for raves(17).  For instance, when I was at Teenage Wasteland I 
>  was talking to a group of people and they were 19,20,early 20's and 
>  such.  When I told them I was 17, they gave me this look like I 
>  shouldn't even be there.  There's also a lot of people that think if 
>  you're not a DJ and you don't have 1200's you shouldn't even be at the 
>  party.  I know a guy who's a total dick to me, just cuz i'm young and my 
>  mixing sounds like shit.  That's not the whole point of raves, being 
>  elitests.  The reason I go to raves is because I like dancing and 
>  listening to good dj's who play good tracks.  
>  I'm not looking for a safe place to get fucked up, my car would do fine.  
>  I would just like to be accepted, and be in an accepting crowd no matter 
>  who they see.  Let's try to make it this way.
>  peace,
>  Jesse

Exactly what I'm saying, I'm 17 as well and if I'm talking to people they are
supa nice usually but if I don't know em personnally and they ask me how old I
am and I say 17 their conversation skills all of the sudden slow down greatly
or stop completely, and as jesse said, if and when I get fucked up, it's not
usually at a party, I go to parties to dance listen to good DJs and meet new
and old friends. So oh well, I wish older people would let down their we are
superior cause we are older to the scene and I wish the younger peeps would
stop being so descriminating based on what people look like and stop being
crack heads in general, god dammit, we might just teach each other some
things.

rant mode off
peace
Doug dabajja

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FYI. (how many posts can I make in 1 day?)

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Please respond to Jeff Gordon <jgordon@ARCHES.UGA.EDU>


Hey, 'sup?  I just got off the phone from an interview with Dynamite of
Reprazent re: the upcoming Roni Size, et. al., show at The Masquerade.
I'm being sent to review it, so maybe I'll see one or two of you there
(hopefully no more, considering the club's fucked policies).

Anyhow, here's some excerpts from the interview I thought you might be
interested in.  Keep in mind that: a) I had to ask really dumbed-down
journalist questions for the general readership of our mag, b) no matter
how much I wanted to, I couldn't just say, "Why the hell are you playing
the Masq instead of a proper rave?!"

Sorry for any errors/misspellings; this was a rush job.  Also, apologies
in advance for the length and use of bandwidth -- I just figured you all
might want to read something other than scene gossip for a change. :)
Enjoy + PEACE
Jeff, your fellow SERaver in the media


- ----- (begin here) -----
JEFF: "To start off with, who exactly are the members of the Reprazent
collective, and how did the group come about?"

DYNAMITE: "Well there's Roni Size, of course, DJ Suv, DJ Die, myself as
Dynamite MC; we've got Analee the vocalist, Sire John who plays bass, and
we have Bobby Merril, the drummer -- he's a fantastic drummer."

"The Reprazent collective is kind of a progression of what we're doing
already, because we already had an organization called Full Cycle
representing Bristol Organized Bass, which is a record label and kind of
DJ company.  We do a lot of DJing, going back to '93, so we've been
working many years through various clubs in England, Dreamscapes, Tribal
Gathering, to a little at Ministry, or whatever, basically boosting the
music that [Roni Size and Suv] make."

"They make these things in the studio, go and cut plates, and we go and
play them.  So we would do this for a few years, and the Reprezent thing
- -- which was Roni's idea -- was designed to do what we've been doing but
to bring it more -- we were almost doing a show but we wanted to do more.
We wanted the people to feel the music and to see the drums getting
drummed, to see the bass getting played, to see the singer.  So that's how
the whole thing basically came together, and it escelated into a group."

JEFF: "So for our readers who won't be able to make the show on April 10,
how exactly will the performance be set up -- will there be live playing
or will it be more of you guys spinning records and triggering samplers,
drum machines, etc.?"

DYNAMITE: "We're performing on stage -- we've got samplers, we've got
synthesizers, we've got scratching, we've got bass.  I'm mean everything
you hear, we're doing that shit live, man.  I strongly advise anyone who's
in Atlanta on the day that we are there to be there.  It's gonna blow up
the club." [To SERavers: We sure hope so.]

JEFF: "What, if anything, do you feel Reprazent owes to the the rave
scenes in the UK and America for its success?"

DYNAMITE: "Well we've all been involved in the rave scene -- we've all
been involved in the music scene from day one: Roni's been making music
since reggae, Krust has been in it since hip-hop, I've been in it since
day one.  We've come through the raves and we're now into the jungle, and
we're in drum 'n' bass.  I mean, we're riding this whole thing out."
"I think the rave time in England was an exciting time.  You'd find out
Friday from someone that there was a party here and you'd go around and
ask people and try and find out where the party is, and then you'd find
out the location where you'd drive 20 miles outside the city and it was
like this huge car park with about 50 cars."

"And everyone would go this party and no one knew where it was, and
everyone's standing around waiting for this one car to come, and this car
would come with four-way flashers on and everyone followed this car.  And
you'd all go in this convoy, and you're all like-minded; you don't know
anybody who's in this car ahead, you're just there for a good time.  And
you'd get to this party in some field and it's wet and drizzly but
everyone gets down and has a wicked time.  And that's what I think it's
all about: it's the energy, and the vibe, and the excitement."

JEFF: "Is drum 'n' bass / jungle how you personally describe your music?
Listening to 'New Forms,' it seems like there are so many different styles
on the album."

DYNAMITE: "I think there's too much emphasis of people always trying to
label this music.  It's not drum 'n' bass, it's jungle.  It's not jungle,
it's drum 'n' bass.  I mean, we don't even try to label it.  We know what
it's about: it's about music, it's about vibe, it's about show, it's about
participation, it's about having a good time.  But it's New Forms.

JEFF: "Why do you think that jungle, probably more so than any other type
of music, seems to unify both black and white races on the dancefloor?  Is
it because of its undercurrents in reggae, hip-hop, and dub?"

DYNAMITE: "In terms of England, it's such a multicultural country, I've
never really consciously looked at, like, what's the ratio between black
and white.  I just look to see how many people are in the [club].  By
acknowedging the number of black and white people in there you are
identifying the differences between black and white people, and I don't
think that's right.  Just acknowledge that there's lots of people in there
and that they come from all walks of life."

"There's something everyone can relate to in this music, whether it's the
beats, or maybe there's a soul sample, or a little hip-hop riff, or a
little reggae.  I mean, there's a lot to this music, so people are drawn
from all directions."

JEFF: "The media in America seems to inextricably link raves and dance
music with illegal drugs.  As someone at the forefront of this scene, how
do you respond to that?"

DYNAMITE: "Well, in England we've been through all that.  When it started,
it was the 'big E.'  I mean, rave and e went together like bread and
butter, or whatever, and it was very drug related.  But now it's not a
drug thing anymore.  We used to go there with drugs, with the attraction
you'd get off with the music, but now it's maturing -- the music is
shining through."

"And, you know, for here in America, as it's quite new here, they've
latched onto this drug thing and we're going to have to go through this
thing all over again.  But that's not what it's about, it's not about
drugs."

JEFF: "Do you think your mainstream exposure on MTV has really helped to
expose your music, or has it conversely seemed to alienate your original
underground vinyl following?"

DYNAMITE: "It's definitely, definitely helped it.  I mean, if it's good
music, then it's going to travel.  We haven't changed in any way; although
we have the video on MTV, and we won the Mercury Prize or whatever, we're
still doing the same thing we've been doing.  We still DJ down at the end,
we still DJ around the way, we're still making music in the studio, we're
still walking the streets.  With MTV we just get to reach a wider
audience, and that's great."

"Our original vinyl fanbase knows we're still making vinyl.  We've still
got the labels, we're still putting things out on V.  Like I said before,
we haven't changed.  If anything the pace has been moved up a few gears.
We were moving at jogging speed and now we're sprinting."
JEFF: "Do you think jungle is moving in the right direction by becoming
more accepted by the mainstream?"

DYNAMITE: "The thing with jungle is, I mean, nobody tried to push it out
in the open.  The thing is, we couldn't hold it down.  It was underground,
but it escalated so much it burst through, came onto the street level.
And if that happens over [in England] then that's gonna have to happen
over here.  That's just natural progression.  We didn't push it, like we
gotta get this record into HMV, onto daytime TV.  We just did our thing
and people started calling us and coming to us and saying 'hey, this is
great' -- so it just happened."

JEFF: "So what can listeners expect from Reprazent in the future --
perhaps solo albums by the individual members?"

DYNAMITE: "What you can expect is the unexpected.  But seriously, we're
all individuals -- we function as a unit, but we are all individuals and
we're all doing our own thing as well.  Yeah, Krust is working on his
album at the moment -- that's the next big thing that's gonna drop.  Then
we have a project called 'Breakbeat Era' which is Roni Size and DJ Die.
"The next Reprazent album is going to come late in the year, so there are
a lot of things to come.  There are so many of us and so many directions
we can go in.  It's a very exciting time; thing are starting to happen
in the U.S., and, you know, we're happy to be here and we're looking to
show you what we can do and invite you all on board."

- ----- (end here) -----





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In a message dated 98-03-11 16:51:27 EST, you write:

> Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST demanded DJ's
>  in the
>  Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.
>  
>  Trigga Happy Cyko -- Omaha NE -- Next Level Records, Omaha Underground,
>  Omaha
>  Jungleistic Society
>  Tilzs -- Rapid City, SD -- Zoop Productions
>  Ishe -- Denver CO
>  DMX -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
>  J.Love -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
>  Slippy -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective

umm, no offense but I've never heard of any of these people before, how are
they the best and most demanded DJs around???????? I've nothing against seeing
new DJs but don't bill them as something they're not, k?

peace
Doug dabajja

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Can anyone give me a ride from Macalester College in St Paul to Craig's
par-teh??? I would very much appreciate it :) :)

PeaceLovePowerMagick
Eric



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well, i guess that i sent that other e-mail to you before i even had time to
think about what i was going to really say...

> umm, no offense but I've never heard of any of these people before, how
> are
> they the best and most demanded DJs around???????? 
> 
>Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST demanded
>DJ's in the Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.

ummm...doesn't it say midwest/mountain regoin?...okay, and where exactly do
you live??...okay so maybe you live in the midwest, but most of us on the
flyer are from denver...hmmmm...

> I've nothing against seeing
> new DJs but don't bill them as something they're not, k?
> 
thats cool you have nothing against seeing new dj's...then come check it
out...but who are you to tell people what to say about their party?...are
you the guy in charge of saying if a dj is the best or most demanded in the
nation...if so, then you have got a helluva job, because with as many good
dj's there are out there that you haven't heard about, you have a full time
job ahead of you...

j.love
*303*


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Theres this acid/house track and the main part of it is a looped sample of
a male voice saying

"Take a sip of me, I'll make you feel fine.  Take a shot of me, I'll make
you blind."

It's a phat track...just got it stuck in my head

Nathaniel


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At 03:29 PM 3/11/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> warning.. incoming $3.03..
>> 
>:)...now thats what i'm talking about...
>
>                    _____    ____   _____ 
>       __ / \ __|___   /  /   _    \ ___   / __ / \ __
>       \           /  |_    \  |   |   |   |   |_    \ \           / 
>       / _     _ \___)   | |   |_ |   |   __)   |/_      _\ 
>            \ /     |____ /  \____/  |____ /     \ / 
>		collective
>
>j.love
>*303*

what's with this "303" thing? is that some sort of DRUG thing?  how come i
always hear this reference to 303????????

damn people you should keep your minds on the music!!!!  people like richie
hawtin and woody mcbride.   acid house rules!!!!!

that song "caffiene 4 dayz" bloop bloop bleep bloop... I HAVE THAT!

same with this 909 thing...what the hell???

I LOVE TECHNO!!!  i even have a pacifier!

:)

loaf a' bread, containa a' milk, and a stick a' butta,
Chizad (a.k.a.- the Three-armed Crusader)

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At 04:16 PM 3/11/98 -0700, you wrote:
>well, i guess that i sent that other e-mail to you before i even had time to
>think about what i was going to really say...
>
>> umm, no offense but I've never heard of any of these people before, how
>> are
>> they the best and most demanded DJs around???????? 
>> 
>>Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST demanded
>>DJ's in the Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.
>
>ummm...doesn't it say midwest/mountain regoin?...okay, and where exactly do
>you live??...okay so maybe you live in the midwest, but most of us on the
>flyer are from denver...hmmmm...
>
>> I've nothing against seeing
>> new DJs but don't bill them as something they're not, k?
>> 
>thats cool you have nothing against seeing new dj's...then come check it
>out...but who are you to tell people what to say about their party?...are
>you the guy in charge of saying if a dj is the best or most demanded in the
>nation...if so, then you have got a helluva job, because with as many good
>dj's there are out there that you haven't heard about, you have a full time
>job ahead of you...
>
>j.love
>*303*
>

there's that 303 thing again!!!!!!  

ohhh and i'm in charge of saying who's the best, so it couldn't possibly be
him.  he's innocent, so let up on him aight?  
and i say Stoopidstar Dj Krapioki is tha best! period.  no ifs, ands, or
buts.  
so, sorry to bust your booty bubble, but those people on that flyer can't
be the best.

wait!!! i'm gonna name myself the best, then i'll make a CD!!!!! i'll make
bank for real!  Look out for "Dj Spankarific Love Slave spins the hits"!!!!!

Glob,
Chad

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I SWEAR TO GOD!!!!!! DID YOU PEOPLE FORGET WHAT SARCASM
IS?????????????????????
FUCKIN CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  NOW WHO NEEDS TO GET A CLUE?



hahahahahaah who are you ?? are you serious?? keep your mind on music, hmmmm
well do you know what a 303 or a 909 or 808 or 606 for that matter is???
hahahahaha *LOL* it's all about music chad , get a clue

At 04:46 PM 3/11/98 -0700, you wrote:
>303
>606
>909
>ROLAND...
>
>hmmm....:)
>
>j.love
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:48:46 -0600
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>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:47:23 -0600
>To: TigeRChilD <ncouper-@midway.uchicago.edu>
>From: Chad Sponholz <cspon@csd.uwm.edu>
>Subject: Re: Track ID I got your back
>In-Reply-To: <199803112324.RAA23052@plaisance.uchicago.edu>
>
>At 05:26 PM 3/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>Theres this acid/house track and the main part of it is a looped sample of
>>a male voice saying
>>
>>"Take a sip of me, I'll make you feel fine.  Take a shot of me, I'll make
>>you blind."
>>
>>It's a phat track...just got it stuck in my head
>>
>>Nathaniel
>
It's take a shot, by dj hell and richard bartz of Kurbel records....the
flip side is even better, no vocal loops or no shit, just some krazy hard
techno.
shouldn't be too hard to find, so buy it then dj hell won't have to sell out.

Prosthetic Forehead,
Chad

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:51:57 -0600
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At 06:55 PM 3/11/98 EST, you wrote:
>gee chad i didn't send that to the list, um hmm fuck OFF!!!!! sarcasm???
>nice sarcasm...haha
>
wasn't it though? sorry bout the all caps....i know i hate reading all
caps, i shouldn't have done that :)


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i think its safe to say that by his current display of half-witted and
unintelligent posts, chad sponholz is just one of many who recently
(thats a relative term for all who are in a flaming mood) subbed to this
list that have no idea about the world outside or, at least, how to
peacefully coexist between life on and off the computer.

ill spare all the others by not mentioning them...

life really -is- worth living you all, give it a try!

-> shonuff/sidestep


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 12 00:37:57 1998
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I'll be working in the studio again so I'll be playing some records 
again.  I'm hoping to have the part come in tonight to fix the dead 
turntable.  If that happens I'll start mixing tracks.

Check pnm://radiodistortion.com/test.rm around 7:30p.



Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
http://barkingcat.org/		 Speed the day."   - Karl Marx


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In a message dated 98-03-11 18:16:06 EST, you write:

> well, i guess that i sent that other e-mail to you before i even had time to
>  think about what i was going to really say...
You mean b4 you had a chance to think about how to rip on me???

>  > umm, no offense but I've never heard of any of these people before, how
>  > are
>  > they the best and most demanded DJs around???????? 
>  > 
>  >Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST demanded
>  >DJ's in the Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.
>  
>  ummm...doesn't it say midwest/mountain regoin?...okay, and where exactly do
>  you live??...okay so maybe you live in the midwest, but most of us on the
>  flyer are from denver...hmmmm...
and about half of the Djs are also from the crew that's throwing the party,
hmmmm..

Also, I know of many other Djs from that area, that (in popular opinion, not
just mine) are more "in demand" then the ones doing that party.

>  
>  > I've nothing against seeing
>  > new DJs but don't bill them as something they're not, k?
>  > 
>  thats cool you have nothing against seeing new dj's...then come check it
>  out...but who are you to tell people what to say about their party?...are
>  you the guy in charge of saying if a dj is the best or most demanded in the
>  nation...if so, then you have got a helluva job, because with as many good
>  dj's there are out there that you haven't heard about, you have a full time
>  job ahead of you...
You can say whatever you want about a party, hell you can even say you booked
a bunch of people and have them not show up (it happens) but that would be
bad.
Same with booking people and saying they are the most in demand when they
aren't, I can't completely say they aren't but come on, can you honestly think
they are? So, people from the mountain area, are these guys the most in
demand?

Peace

Doug dabajja

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At 07:13 PM 3/11/98 EST, you wrote:
>i think its safe to say that by his current display of half-witted and
>unintelligent posts, 
half witted and unintelligent?  what have i said ( besides a bit of
sarcasm) that isn't truth? please tell me that, and i'll apologize for what
i've said.  things ARE that way.  forgive me if i get a little crazy with
words every now and again...that's the way i am.   


chad sponholz is just one of many who recently
>(thats a relative term for all who are in a flaming mood) subbed to this
>list that have no idea about the world outside or, at least, how to
>peacefully coexist between life on and off the computer.

i'm not in a flamming mood.  quite the contrary.  sure i'm upset at the way
the "scene" has turned out.  but i'm VERY at peace with myself and the
outside world.  it seems like i have no life, i can imagine, because i have
posted often and at all times of the day. but you look deeper into it and
see that i work third shift most of the week and have nothing else to do
when i get home at 7 am and wake up at 4:45 pm.

ill spare all the others by not mentioning them...

so, you are using me as what? an "example"? regardless of what you might
think, i didn't subscribe to this list to cause a ruckus.
if you can't deal with a few crazy messages, a little bit of sarcasm, and
some truth, well then that's you.  i subscribed to this list in hopes of
meeting a few people who i may not have otherwise met. and so far i've
gotten quite a few positive messages for people who think just like me.

>life really -is- worth living you all, give it a try!
 
i'll live my life, you live yours.  we could be friends, if you'd quit
prejudging.  

Peace (no bread, no butta....satisfied?)
Chad



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last message before work.  it popular opinion that i don't know what the
hell i'm talking about.  that's just it...opinion.  just like my post are
opinion (though i think you'll find alot of it to be true)

i guess i was mistaken to think i could post messages and be myself and not
have people misunderstand me and think i'm in someway trying to be a cock
or something. believe me, i'm just naturally goofy.  you people don't know
me, and from the response i've gotten so far, i dont' really care what yall
think.  i'm not gonna be all like "i've been around here longer, so you
have no right not to like me" .  if you dont' like me, you don't like me.
but then, if you don't like me, you haven't taken the time to know me.   

what was it that i wrote that struck a nerve with you?  are you scared that
i'm talking about you?  my messages are directed at the people that they
apply to, so if it applies to you, you may very well be upset. doesn't mean
i love you any less... just means that when i'm at parties i'm not enjoying
myself as much as i could be because i see all this cliquey bullshit goin on.

like i said before, you don't know me.  i'm trying to be mysef here, not
trying to impress anyone with unheard of wisdom or intelligence.  sometimes
i'm serious, sometimes i'm silly, and i'd think that you could tell the
difference.  but i guess you can't.

to the people who have welcomed me to this community, thank you.  i look
forward to meeting you soon.  to the others, don't pretend to know me.
i've been on this list for like 4 days, and you can't possibly begin to
talk about me like that in that amount of time.  

like kid n' play said...."ain't gonna hurt nobody"

Peace, love, and some sobe....cuz i gotta die cut all night long babay,
Chad

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me and my friend were having a discussion about throwing a party and we need
you guy's help so just for informational purposes......
 who on here would go to an all jungle party (or know of someone else off the
list that would) with the likes of Lord Vishnu & some of the purrin lion crew,
Kid entropy doing a live pa and MCing, Danny da wild child, Casper, Snuggles,
Anonymous, and possibly Deiselboy or LTJ Bukem for only around 8-10 bucks??? 

please help me out, the more responses the better the chances are
of....something

Peace
Doug dabajja

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DaS flux,

	I am one of the promoters throwing the party that you are having a
conniption about. Number one, the *303* Collective is not throwing the
party, it just happens that there are 3 of them going. Second, if you
didn't notice, the party is going to be held in RAPID CITY, SD. There is
no scene there except the one that we are trying to start... now mabey we
shouldn't go around saying that these are the best DJ's or whatever but if
you care that the DJ's at a certain party are THE BEST then I would
imagine you would know who THE BEST DJ's are and therefore wouldn't go.
Its still going to be a great party and I hope that some of you can come
out for it. But don't go off on us because we are trying to do something
that no one has done in this city or state before for that matter.

Brian



On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, DaS fLuX wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-11 18:16:06 EST, you write:
> 
> > well, i guess that i sent that other e-mail to you before i even had time to
> >  think about what i was going to really say...
> You mean b4 you had a chance to think about how to rip on me???
> 
> >  > umm, no offense but I've never heard of any of these people before, how
> >  > are
> >  > they the best and most demanded DJs around???????? 
> >  > 
> >  >Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST demanded
> >  >DJ's in the Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.
> >  
> >  ummm...doesn't it say midwest/mountain regoin?...okay, and where exactly do
> >  you live??...okay so maybe you live in the midwest, but most of us on the
> >  flyer are from denver...hmmmm...
> and about half of the Djs are also from the crew that's throwing the party,
> hmmmm..
> 
> Also, I know of many other Djs from that area, that (in popular opinion, not
> just mine) are more "in demand" then the ones doing that party.
> 
> >  
> >  > I've nothing against seeing
> >  > new DJs but don't bill them as something they're not, k?
> >  > 
> >  thats cool you have nothing against seeing new dj's...then come check it
> >  out...but who are you to tell people what to say about their party?...are
> >  you the guy in charge of saying if a dj is the best or most demanded in the
> >  nation...if so, then you have got a helluva job, because with as many good
> >  dj's there are out there that you haven't heard about, you have a full time
> >  job ahead of you...
> You can say whatever you want about a party, hell you can even say you booked
> a bunch of people and have them not show up (it happens) but that would be
> bad.
> Same with booking people and saying they are the most in demand when they
> aren't, I can't completely say they aren't but come on, can you honestly think
> they are? So, people from the mountain area, are these guys the most in
> demand?
> 
> Peace
> 
> Doug dabajja
> 

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please.

i unsubbed from this list for a number of reasons.  the primary being
that i (and im not alone on this one) couldnt handle, and saw no use for,
multiple posts with little worth.  i mean, come on, upwards of 10 posts
in the span of a few hours and what, mebbe 1 or 2 (on a good day possibly
half) of them actually had something more than a snippit of an attempt at
nothing but juvenile sarcasm?  that is, by far, no cause for a post,
period.

in a nutshell, this list is -supposed- to discuss "all things rave
related".  and while, in the case of chad, 2/3 to 3/4 of his posts had
some cheese ball "sarcastic" (i could think of a bettter word for
"sarcastic") comment about something "rave related", the majority of the
posts by the attention seeking recently subscribed losers did not.  and
that is what the core of my previous post, and this one, was getting at.

ill be the first to admit that i have, in the past, posted more than
necessary (a -lot- more) about things not even closely related to topics
concerning rave, but i no longer do.  and many of the ppl who are still
currently posting in such a manner, yourself included chad sponholz, need
to come to the point where you realize that your sorry attempts at
receivng recognition in the form of e.mail for your "humor" (again, i
could think of a better term than "humor") really isnt worth the number
of unwanted worthles (in terms of relevance, intelligence, and
information) posts you supply this list with.  if it takes someone
(myself, in this ccase) to lay it out on the table to get that point
across - so be it.

-> shonuff/sidestep

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this is precisely the sort of shit im talking about.  if youre so damn
sure youre a great guy and neeed no justification, then why the
justification by your own means?

surely you must be so wonderful of a person you could have found some one
else to stand up for your pathetic actions.  or better yet, been ok
enough with yourself to feel no need to justify yourself.

really...

lets -think- a -little- more around here, eh?  post ewhen neceessary, not
simply as a means to kill time and boredom or to gain some sort of
worthless recognition.

i, initially, subbed to this list to, like many of you, get to know ppl,
learn of events, and basically grow in family and knowledge in this
community we call the rave scene.  that goal, as it is many of ours, can
just as easily (mebbe moreso?) be accompliushed without the timewasting,
bandwidth wasting, mind numbing attempts at some sort of status climbing.

if were all so on the tip of discussin with eachother and learning from
one another concerning rave (and all its related areas), lets not waste
valuble time, energy, and talent on things like immaturity and juvenile
humor.

now, for those wanting to know and wondering, yes - i unsubbed a few days
ago.  but yesterday i resubbed to post some info on some parties that, i
believe, will truly be good times.  ill not waste yet -another- post
countering the many posts telling you not to go to 'midwest.wonderland'
and to go to 'zoikz', i have enough faith in each of your own abilities
to make decisions to leave that up to you.  i will, however, say that i
know ppl, both involved in promoting and performing, with both events and
can assure you that whichever decision you make you should be able to
enjoy yourself just the same.  i, for one, will be at
'midwest.wonderland'.  i havent been to a -big- rave event in a -long-
time, and this one will pack a punch, even if only half of what is
promosed comes about.  hope to see some of you there...

lets use the brains weve got, and remember that ourselves, as well as
everyone else, actually has brains to use.

rave the fuck on... . . . . . .   . .  . .. .     .

-> shonuff/sidestep

>last message before work.  it popular opinion that i don't know what 
>the
>hell i'm talking about.  that's just it...opinion.  just like my post 
>are
>opinion (though i think you'll find alot of it to be true)
>
>i guess i was mistaken to think i could post messages and be myself 
>and not
>have people misunderstand me and think i'm in someway trying to be a 
>cock
>or something. believe me, i'm just naturally goofy.  you people don't 
>know
>me, and from the response i've gotten so far, i dont' really care what 
>yall
>think.  i'm not gonna be all like "i've been around here longer, so 
>you
>have no right not to like me" .  if you dont' like me, you don't like 
>me.
>but then, if you don't like me, you haven't taken the time to know me. 
>  
>
>what was it that i wrote that struck a nerve with you?  are you scared 
>that
>i'm talking about you?  my messages are directed at the people that 
>they
>apply to, so if it applies to you, you may very well be upset. doesn't 
>mean
>i love you any less... just means that when i'm at parties i'm not 
>enjoying
>myself as much as i could be because i see all this cliquey bullshit 
>goin on.
>
>like i said before, you don't know me.  i'm trying to be mysef here, 
>not
>trying to impress anyone with unheard of wisdom or intelligence.  
>sometimes
>i'm serious, sometimes i'm silly, and i'd think that you could tell 
>the
>difference.  but i guess you can't.
>
>to the people who have welcomed me to this community, thank you.  i 
>look
>forward to meeting you soon.  to the others, don't pretend to know me.
>i've been on this list for like 4 days, and you can't possibly begin 
>to
>talk about me like that in that amount of time.  
>
>like kid n' play said...."ain't gonna hurt nobody"
>
>Peace, love, and some sobe....cuz i gotta die cut all night long 
>babay,
>Chad
>

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why are you writing mail to the list if you are " un subed" ?
oh yea, to plug stuff.  whine.





- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 12 02:00:05 1998
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, DaS fLuX wrote:

> me and my friend were having a discussion about throwing a party and we need
> you guy's help so just for informational purposes......
>  who on here would go to an all jungle party (or know of someone else off the
> list that would) with the likes of Lord Vishnu & some of the purrin lion crew,
> Kid entropy doing a live pa and MCing, Danny da wild child, Casper, Snuggles,
> Anonymous, and possibly Deiselboy or LTJ Bukem for only around 8-10 bucks??? 

all jungle events are cool.....just don't forget _all_ 'ardcore jungle
music like ragga, old school uk hardcore and er.......well some other type
of music that i think has two 'H's in it but i can't really remember the
full name (heh heh). 

'ardcore will never die,
matt



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 12 02:13:36 1998
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REALLY all we need to do on this list is realize the difference between
topics necessitating a PERSONAL E-MAIL REPLY versus a MASSIVE
BANDWIDTH-WASTING E-MAIL REPLY TO THE WHOLE LIST.

Of course, I mention this practically weekly (in so many words) but
MYSTERIOUSLY everyone wastes that fucking bandwidth over and over.  Holy
pixel pollution, batman.  Get a grip on yourselves, people.

Always,
 Erinaceous
 ;-}

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Yeah, I know.  I keep bugging everyone about this but I need as much 
smoke-testing as I can get.  If you have a few minutes and have access to 
a Real Audio player please poke at our server and let me know how it 
sounds in comparison to other audio servers serving a 28.8k stream.  
We're trying to get the best fidelity possible so I'd really appreciate 
your help.

pnm://radiodistortion.com/test.rm

Thanks,


Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
http://barkingcat.org/		 Speed the day."   - Karl Marx


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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, dica! wrote:

> >Tell me about it.
> >TRACE was the main reason I bought tickets for Meow Mix.
> 
> so who knows the deal on this, anyhow?  he's the only one unaccounted for.
> someone give us the 411, eh?  mike?

Trace has been unaccounted for period. For the last month and a half even 
his booking agent didn't know where he was.

lata
sk

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Personally...

Maybe if we as event-goers started to make each event we go to a
"performance"...maybe things might be more...interesting. I'll build my ramp
and....

Phil

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, None wrote:

> 
> Trace has been unaccounted for period. For the last month and a half even 
> his booking agent didn't know where he was.
> 
Then why weren't the meow mix promoters up front with that info? I ALMOST 
went to that party, and if I had it would have only because of Trace.  
Previously another list member said the same thing...not that that really 
matters.

You would think that future forces was aware of this at least by the day 
of the party.  If his booking agent didn't know where he was for a month 
and a half was a deposit put down? Was there ever a plane ticket bought?
Must have been, since the cost of the party didn't reflect the fact Trace 
wasn't going to be there.  
I am not saying that it was the promoters fault he didn't come, but I 
feel they should have been honest. I sure hope snuggles or 3d or Mr 
Entropy don't hesitate to clear the air on this one. 

Then we have people like Ed at Ele_mental.  When half of a tag team 
(paris of paris and billeebob) couldn't make it, he knocked a buck off of 
the price of the party. Yeah, only a dollar savings for the raver. but a 
~$400 loss for ed. But the payoff is *trust*. Communication builds trust. 
Respect builds trust.

The foundation of this little existence we enjoy, is corrupt. Business 
is business.   The artists and the promoters have to make an effort to be 
respectful of their audience.  This is a trend in the business world. 
Smaller corporations that exist for profit, but also give back to 
society with those profits.  Not for profit cooperatives exist for 
the people, by the people. Look at computers. Yes people do use AOL.  How 
many people do you know that have used it feel like they were respected 
as a customer. (If they even fucking cared) Many people run their own 
servers, provide their friends. Small providers are popping up every 
where, and succeeding because they offer something a large company can't, 
individual attention, and respect.

We have a direct line of communication with the people who organize the 
events we go to, the internet.  We are fortunate to have this 
opportunity, could we try to utilize it? Some promoters are good at this, 
some aren't, and leave us talkin shit.

The foundation needs to be strengthened before we can grow.

A sagittarius on a mission, as usual,


elaine 


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Yo mw-ravers!!!
We're very, very excited to begin leaking information regarding the venue
for this weekend's shindig!
NO!  It's not 45 mins outside of downtown.    We've decided to save that
venue for a later occasion and run the party in a venue that's more
conveniently located.
YES!  The venue is accessible by public transportation.  We'll give more
precise info about that subject this weekend.
YES!  It's a fuckin' warehouse!
YES! It's fucking HUGE!
YES! Everyone will love it!

We're working out the final details at the present moment, making as
certain as we can that the legal arenas have been dealt with appropriately,
and coordinating the exact production.

All the dj's are on their way and the party should be a great one.  We've
also got a lot of new talent to bring to chicago as well as some of the big
boys for the remainder of the year.
Keep your eyes peeled and we'll keep folks informed as to what we're up to!

Peace & Hair Grease!

If you haven't gone out and gotten a presale ticket, try and do so.  We
really want people to get in for the lower admission price.  We'd much
rather have a packed house at a lower price than a half empty one at full
price.  No matter what happens, we'll never be able to fill this venue
anyway.  It's freaking humungous!  Looking forward to watching people lose
their shit once again!

PURE/WPCM



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 12 04:16:47 1998
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From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
Reply-To: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
To: Mw-Ravers <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Subject: mw-raves vs. mtn-raves
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Just in case the people I privately emailed don't read their private
email, I thought I'd make a clear distinction between the two lists...

For someone who has been subbed to the list for almost five years, and has
been around to see the midwest scene grow and expand not only in numbers,
but in surface area of the cities which hold parties now, I think I'd like
to take the time to define the different borders where the midwest raves
list area stops and the mountain raves list area begins.. 

For someone like myself, who lives in Cincinnati, you will NEVER see me
DRIVE to a party in Denver, Colorado.. To me, that's the mountain-raves
list range, not midwest raves.

The midwest list area, from as far as I've always known basically goes
like this: It includes all the cities in the following states: Minnesota,
Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Northern
Tennessee and western Pennsylvania (like Pittsburgh) 

People in States like Colorado, North and South Dakota and anything
basically west of Kansas, Missouri and Minnesota should probably subscribe
to the mtn-raves list if they want pertinent and current information on
what's going on in their areas. I mean, if you wanna sub to mw-raves,
that's fine with me, but you may not receive the interest you're looking
for if you post about mtn-raves range parties here... Nor may you be kept
up to date as to what is REALLY going on in your neck of the woods...

To find out how to subscribe to mtn-raves you can do a couple of things:

1. check out the regional mailing list archives found at:
http://hyperreal.org I know that mountain raves has a homepage that should
give you all the information you need to know.

2. send an email to: majordomo@hyperreal.org and in the body of the
message type: subscribe mtn-raves You will get a message to authenticate,
just like you did with mw-raves and then once authenticated, you'll be on
that list.

I posted this, because I could see the beginning of a flame war abrewin'
because of a simple misunderstanding about dj's not from this area. I
thought that by posting this, the mistake might be corrected, and thus put
a stop to a psoobile rash of unwated or undesirable emails flaming each
other about who's the best dj's and who makes the decisions about who's
the best dj's... For god's sakes, we all have different opinions about who
the best dj's are (just take a look at everyone's top 10 dj's lists from
last week) and that's that... Now stop acting like five year olds and go
do your homework or go outside and play in the snow like good boys and
girls...

"The Official Mw-Raves Mom"
-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

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I just reread my email, and forgot to include the following states and
city in the midwest raves list area: Michigan and Wisconsin and
Toronto/Southern-Midwestern Canada (like the province of Ontario)

Sorry to have forgotten all the many wonderful people in those states,
please don't hate me, Mothers can make mistakes too...

"The Official Mw-Raves Mom"
-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 12 04:22:29 1998
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Thanks to everyone who listened to my broadcast.  And I'm sorry I 
couldn't get the turntables to work properly.  So now we're on the search 
for a pair of used 1200s...

Thanks,

- Steven 


Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
http://barkingcat.org/		 Speed the day."   - Karl Marx


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I'd like to PRIVATELY hear from anybody who's getting mw-raves messages
out of order. Thanks.

jeff



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I dunno about the rest of the world, but here in Cedar Rapids, Iowa 
(yeah, Iowa) almost *all* of the people who attend raves are BELOW 19. I 
find it sort of funny in a way that everywhere else people are 
complaining about the age thing because out here, even at the big raves 
(500+ people) there's hardly ever anybody over ~22, and most of the ppl 
are around 16-18 yrs old. I myself am "only" 17, and I always fit in at 
the parties around here. Maybe it's just that the scene here is so young 
("raves" as we know them today, to my knowledge, have only been goin' on 
for here the last 3 years, that's when the first DJ companies sprang up 
and started throwin' par-tayz), and the scene is more like it used to be 
in the big cities before commercialization took over. Well, once again, 
that's my 2 cents... reply...

Da WaRpRaT
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/5737/

>Not to diss elite techno events :)  shit, jungle roots/sessionz in 
boston
>is absolutely _wikked_, but it is 19+.
>
>> When I told them I was 17, they gave me this look like I shouldn't 
even
>> be there.  
>
>psst.. there are plenty of st00pid people @ raves


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 12 05:57:55 1998
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In a message dated 3/11/98 4:37:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
skreds@hotmail.com writes:

> A couple people have been talking about not being accepted in raves 
>  because they are either:
>    A)too old
>    or B)not in the scene "long" enough

acceptance in the rave scene, nope not gonna happen,  some people no matter
were they are are left out, once you stop trying to be accepted you will have
more fun, if i went to parties for people, i woulda stopped by now... wading
through piles of fucked up kids to hear some good tunes isn't that fun
anymore.. especially since i am no longer one of the fucked up kids... i
prefer buying records and listening to mix tapes than actual parties... too
many big names that suck, same people at every party.. .it gets old... parties
have now become re-runs... much respect to people who bring in no names from
out of now where to blow minds...

paul

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>>from the art institute of chicago magazine
>>opinion  Rave Culture: The End of an Era  by Kumar 
>McMillan

<snip article>

hey, this is from my school! I just wanted to clarify that this article was
from fnewsmagazine, a free monthly paper published by the *school* of the
art institute, not by the art institute.  

>   High dollar magazine reporters will come and go, but 
>underground (whether it's rave or something else) will 
>always exist.. (And it's got nothing to do with age)
>
um... if you meant this particular article with "high dollar magazine
reporters,"  well, it was written by a student for a college paper, which is
a really different forum than the mass media.  but i definitely agree as far
as the mass media's coverage of raves goes.

 laura

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I just finished 2 90 Minute mixtapes.
One is Happy Hardcore (DJ Spree - Ear Candy)
One is Trancecore(DJ Spree - Dance Till You Drop)

THE PRICING IS PER TAPE:
$3 if I mail it to you, and you don't give me a blank tape.
$2 if you pick it up from me.
$1 if you send me a blank, 90 Minute tape and FREE if you get me a 90 
and i don't have to mail it back.

OR! For $5.00, I'll mail you both tapes :-)

DJ SPREE - Ear Candy (HAPPY HARDCORE)
SIDE A:
Devotion (Eruption Remix) - Sy & Demo
Magic Touch - DJ Demo & Audio Assault
Music Man (Robbie Long & Devestate Remix) - DJ Fade
Freedom 2 Dance - Brisk & Vinylgroover
Outta My Face (DJ Brisk's Kick Drum & Bass Remix) - Blitz, Blaze & 
Revolution
Don't Give A Damn - Brisk & Vinylgroover
I Need Somebody - DJ Brisk & Trixxy
The Superior B Side - Brisk & Vinylgroover
See The Light - Brisk & Trixxy
Eye Opener - Brisk & Trixxy
Don't Dare Speak - Who Done It

SIDE B:
D.H.S.S. #1
Moonwalker - D.H.S.S.
Find A Way - The Three Amigos
My Guardian Angel - DJ Vinylgroover
Shooting Star (Ham's Mix) - Bang!
Forever - DJ Hixxy & Bananaman
Time - DJ Vinylgroover
Cloudy Daze (Ham Mix) - Bang!
Follow Me - Force & Styles
99 Red Balloons (remix) - Jimmy J

DJ SPREE - Dance Till You Drop (TRANCECORE)
SIDE A:
Terranova - Digital Manouvers
Back To The Top - Brisk & Trixxy
Rok Da Beat - Brisk & Trixxy
Insomaniak - Rapido
Therapy - Sharkey & Trixxy
Inside Beat - Rapido
Don't Stall - Digital Manouvers
Here To Invade - Trixxy
Ultraworld 5 - DJ Eclipse

SIDE B:
Can You Feel It - Jam & Spoon
Oh Boy - Fabulous Baker Boys (Force & Styles Remix)
Future Trance Project 2 - DJ Quatro & Dizzy D
Final Encounter - DJ Quatro
Discovery - DJ Quatro & Dizzy D
Twister - Metropolis
Arabian Nights - Metropolis
Temporal Rift - Digital Manouvers

If you want these tapes you can either email me, or send $$$ & where you 
want me to send the tape to:

DJ Spree
8806 Westmoreland Lane
St. Louis Park, MN 55426

IF ANYONE HAS ACCESS TO A STREAMING REAL AUDIO SERVER, LET ME KNOW 
PRIVATELY, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THESE TAPES UP ON THE NET FOR EVERYONE.

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To: sho.nuff@juno.com (jawsh decker)
From: Chad Sponholz <cspon@csd.uwm.edu>
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At 08:47 PM 3/11/98 EST, you wrote:
>please.
>
>i unsubbed from this list for a number of reasons.  the primary being
>that i (and im not alone on this one) couldnt handle, and saw no use for,
>multiple posts with little worth.  i mean, come on, upwards of 10 posts
>in the span of a few hours and what, mebbe 1 or 2 (on a good day possibly
>half) of them actually had something more than a snippit of an attempt at
>nothing but juvenile sarcasm?  that is, by far, no cause for a post,
>period.
>
>in a nutshell, this list is -supposed- to discuss "all things rave
>related".  and while, in the case of chad, 2/3 to 3/4 of his posts had
>some cheese ball "sarcastic" (i could think of a bettter word for
>"sarcastic") comment about something "rave related", the majority of the
>posts by the attention seeking recently subscribed losers did not.  and
>that is what the core of my previous post, and this one, was getting at.
>
>ill be the first to admit that i have, in the past, posted more than
>necessary (a -lot- more) about things not even closely related to topics
>concerning rave, but i no longer do.  and many of the ppl who are still
>currently posting in such a manner, yourself included chad sponholz, need
>to come to the point where you realize that your sorry attempts at
>receivng recognition in the form of e.mail for your "humor" (again, i
>could think of a better term than "humor") really isnt worth the number
>of unwanted worthles (in terms of relevance, intelligence, and
>information) posts you supply this list with.  if it takes someone
>(myself, in this ccase) to lay it out on the table to get that point
>across - so be it.
>
>-> shonuff/sidestep

point taken, but we can agree to disagree.  this "problem" could have been
addressed without alienating me personally...and i'm sure you aren't alone
on this (i know this all too well) however, i didn't realize the size of
this list and whether i wrote 2 messages or 10 messages, i didn't think it
would matter.  it shouldn't matter anyways.  if you think my sarcasm or
humor isn't funny, why should it matter to you? do you need to read my posts? 

i thought what i wrote was funny, and i respect the fact that you don't.
this will happen again i'm sure, but now i'll think twice before sending
posts...deal?

it's over now.
Chad

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From: DJ Efron <efron@happy.hardcorps.org>
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I guess I am trying to understand this all...
did I miss something? sometimes yes things do
get cross posted that is _IF_ the possibility
that a party is big enough/good enough someone
feels it should be cross posted... (rare) or
if it is a netraver party...

okay mtn-raves is basically right next to txraves
but you don't see me going to denver on a whim
(i would say it is about a 24 hour drive) but I
have known people to do such things... like say
for instance "oh there is a party in balitmore?"
"oh that is the line up" *runs and buys plane
ticket* yes it happens... I think it is fair that
people from other parts of the country show
thier perspective and thoughts to the other lists

why does this cause flame wars?? I guess I am
still confused by that...

Jenni/Efron


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How many list suscribers does it take to change a light bulb?
> 	A: 1,331:
> 
> 	1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that
> 	the light bulb has been changed.
> 
> 	14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and
> 	how the light bulb could have been changed differently.
> 
> 	7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
> 
> 	27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing
> 	light bulbs.
> 
> 	53 to flame the spell checkers
> 
> 	156 to write to the list administrator complaining about
> 	the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this
> 	mail list.
> 
> 	41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
> 
> 	109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to
>       please
> 	take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
> 
> 	203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling
> 	and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.
> 
> 	111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all
> 	use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant
> 	to this mail list.
> 
> 	306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is
> 	superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of
> 	light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands
> 	are faulty.
> 
> 	27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different
> 	light bulbs
> 
> 	14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to
> 	post corrected URLs.
> 
> 	3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are
> 	relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to
> 	this list.
> 
> 	33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including
> 	all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."
> 
> 	12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because
> 	they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.
> 
> 	19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."
> 
> 	4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
> 
> 	1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.
> 
> 	47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was
> 	meant for, leave it here.
> 
> 	143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
> 
> 	3 to flame the other morons for replying to the spammer
> 	and CCing the list
> 



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even i gotta say on this one...

private messages!

duh.

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this reminds of a joke a saw on some hyperreal link:

Q: How many ravers does it take to change a light bulb?

A: 1000.  1 to change the bulb, & 999 to whine about how
much better the old bulb was.

Russ


On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Erin M Carter wrote:

> How many list suscribers does it take to change a light bulb?
> >   	A: 1,331:
> > 
> > 	1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that
> > 	the light bulb has been changed.
> > 
> > 	14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and
> > 	how the light bulb could have been changed differently.
> > 
> > 	7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
> > 
> > 	27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing
> > 	light bulbs.
> > 
> > 	53 to flame the spell checkers
> > 
> > 	156 to write to the list administrator complaining about
> > 	the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this
> > 	mail list.
> > 
> > 	41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
> > 
> > 	109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to
> >       please
> > 	take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
> > 
> > 	203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling
> > 	and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.
> > 
> > 	111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all
> > 	use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant
> > 	to this mail list.
> > 
> > 	306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is
> > 	superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of
> > 	light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands
> > 	are faulty.
> > 
> > 	27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different
> > 	light bulbs
> > 
> > 	14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to
> > 	post corrected URLs.
> > 
> > 	3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are
> > 	relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to
> > 	this list.
> > 
> > 	33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including
> > 	all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."
> > 
> > 	12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because
> > 	they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.
> > 
> > 	19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."
> > 
> > 	4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
> > 
> > 	1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.
> > 
> > 	47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was
> > 	meant for, leave it here.
> > 
> > 	143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
> > 
> > 	3 to flame the other morons for replying to the spammer
> > 	and CCing the list
> > 
> 
> 


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What you missed was a little spat, if you can call it that, about a post
for a party being held in Rapid City, SD. I guess I might be biased in
this situation but I go to school in Rapid City and I am one of the
promoters throwing that party in Rapid. For one thing, on the web site for
this list, South Dakota is included as one of the Midwest states, perhaps
thats not an accurate inclusion but thats how it is. I myself drive almost
every other weekend to Denver or Minneapolis to go to parties, thats a 6
or 10 hour drive one way. In response to the earlier post about how there
shouldn't be people posting about parties that are not in the midwest
area... We want to get the word out about our party, mabey no one will
come who is from the midwest, but its not like its that much different
from us posting to MTN Raves, the drive isn't a whole lot longer. We
weren't trying to start a flame war or anything, just letting people know
that there is something going on in SD. Who knows, there might be some
people out there who will say, "Hey, lets get a carload of people together
and see what this is all about!". Granted thats probably a far fetched
hope, it might happen.

Brian


On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, DJ Efron wrote:

> I guess I am trying to understand this all...
> did I miss something? sometimes yes things do
> get cross posted that is _IF_ the possibility
> that a party is big enough/good enough someone
> feels it should be cross posted... (rare) or
> if it is a netraver party...
> 
> okay mtn-raves is basically right next to txraves
> but you don't see me going to denver on a whim
> (i would say it is about a 24 hour drive) but I
> have known people to do such things... like say
> for instance "oh there is a party in balitmore?"
> "oh that is the line up" *runs and buys plane
> ticket* yes it happens... I think it is fair that
> people from other parts of the country show
> thier perspective and thoughts to the other lists
> 
> why does this cause flame wars?? I guess I am
> still confused by that...
> 
> Jenni/Efron
> 
> 

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> What you missed was a little spat, if you can call it that, about a post
> for a party being held in Rapid City, SD. I guess I might be biased in
> this situation but I go to school in Rapid City and I am one of the
> promoters throwing that party in Rapid. For one thing, on the web site for
> this list, South Dakota is included as one of the Midwest states, perhaps
> thats not an accurate inclusion but thats how it is. I myself drive almost

including north dakota and south dakota in as part of the mid-west is very
accurate. i know that for me, living in minnesota, south dakota is a lot
closer than anywhere in ohio. in fact, i dont consider ohio or kentucky
part of the mid-west at all. and although they are defined as such, i
think that it is all a matter of perspective. i could go into a long
geographic reason about why north and south dakota are part of the
midwest, but i will spare you all that geography class nonsense :)

i think if keeping you keep in mind that the mid-west is very very
large, and the major cities are spread very far apart, you can see how it
is just a matter of perspective. if it is something happening in a
city that you are not close to, then delete the post. :)

.zoki.


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you didn't go to meow mix, you didn't pay 20 dollars so quit your bitching and
find a REAL mission elaine.

we flew in dj slak from philly instead.

we also had dj casper and sir k play at this party so the 20 dollar issue is
no longer relavent. 

we can't physically make a dj show up to an event. we replaced him with a dj
from the same city that we originally booked him from, this is the best we
could do on the situation. at least the party didn't get busted as per usual. 

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[DEEJAY3D <DEEJAY3D@aol.com>]
> you didn't go to meow mix, you didn't pay 20 dollars so quit your bitching and
> find a REAL mission elaine.
> 
> we flew in dj slak from philly instead.
> 
> we also had dj casper and sir k play at this party so the 20 dollar issue is
> no longer relavent. 
> 
> we can't physically make a dj show up to an event. we replaced him with a dj
> from the same city that we originally booked him from, this is the best we
> could do on the situation. at least the party didn't get busted as per usual. 

well, i did go to meow mix and pay 20 dollars, and i have this to say:
i don't blame 3d, snuggles, kid entropy, or whoever else for the fact that
trace didn't show up. i believe that it was his fault and probably his
alone, and i believe that the promoters had the best of intentions. also,
i appreciate the fact that casper and slak spun instead, and do not dispute
the fact that this was a worthwhile party. my only complaint is that we 
weren't told beforehand that trace wasn't coming; or, at the very least,
that he couldn't be reached and PROBABLY wasn't coming. i mean, we all got
mail regarding afterhours info and saying that casper had been added to 
the lineup. why didn't it say in that message that trace might not show?

i, for one, probably still would've gone to the party. i still probably
would've had a good time. i really enjoyed both q system and slak and danced
my ass off. i stayed until the very end of the party, even though i really
hate house. but i REALLY wanted to see trace, and if only to spare myself 
the anticipation and subsequent disappointment, i wish i would've known 
that he wasn't coming before 2:45 a.m. 

however, i'm not really pissed about the way it was handled, or that i 
paid $20 and was a little disappointed. i've paid more for far less...
in the future, though, i think promoters will get more respect and more
trust if they make an extra effort to make info like that public before
the party.

also, to kid entropy: DAMN GOOD MC... i look forward to seeing you again
soon.

matt

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:47:12 EST sho.nuff@juno.com (jawsh decker) writes:

>"...and this one will pack a punch, even if 
>only half of what is promosed comes about.  hope to see some of you 
>there..."
 
Whoa....wait a minute.  There's a fatal flaw in your logic here. 
Supporting a party which only delivers half of what is promised, suggests
to the promoters that it's ok to only deliver half of what is promised. 
They aren't charging you half price - why should you only get half of
what you pay for ?  No wonder the scene has gone to shit.  All the
promoters think they can throw half-assed parties and get away with it &
we are not using our "power of attendance" to tell them otherwise.

I used to do the same thing.  I'd go to a party just for the sake of
going to a party.  Or I would go specifically to see one or two acts,
even if it was a shit party thrown by shit promoters.  I'd go to a party
simply 'cause I could get in for free because I knew someone involved. 
Well, now I know better.  Now I know that it  does more harm to the scene
to support a wack party, just to see a particular act, or simply for
something to do that weekend.  It is better to just stay home and spend
time with friends.  Or better yet, support a good party thrown by
responsible promoters, even if it isn't the biggest, best party with DJs
from around the world.  I'm not saying that the party in question won't
be good, it may or may not, only time will tell .  My complaint is about
the attitude that it's ok to support events which don't deliver (which
you probably didn't intend on implying). 

	-Joe 

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all right...get this...when i lived in dc, trace started up his own jungle
night...i think that was about the end of 96' beginning of 97'...but anyway,
it was mad cheap...like $3....and one of the first only jungle nights to
happen in dc....and you know what happened...i went to see what was up with
it on the opening night, and there were maybe 10 people there to see
him...the next week the same thing....so he quit hosting the night...i just
kinda find it funny that back then, nobody really wanted to see him, and
right now, people are all hyped to see him....those kids in dc just didn't
know what they were missing back then...but i figure that they do now, if
they are down with jungle and remember that  two week stint...i mean, how
many of you would have gone to a club on a night that trace was hosting and
only pay $3....

p.s....i wasn't really trying to start shit with anyone on the list
yesterday, so don't think i'm like that..i'm all about PEACE, LOVE, UNITY,
RESPECT, and FUNKY HOUSE MUSIC ALL NIGHT LONG....

plurry,plur,plur....
j.love
*303*
"we have the house surrounded"
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, DaS fLuX wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-11 16:51:27 EST, you write:
> 
> > Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST demanded DJ's
> >  in the
> >  Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.
> >  
> >  Trigga Happy Cyko -- Omaha NE -- Next Level Records, Omaha Underground,
> >  Omaha
> >  Jungleistic Society
> >  Tilzs -- Rapid City, SD -- Zoop Productions
> >  Ishe -- Denver CO
> >  DMX -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> >  J.Love -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> >  Slippy -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> 
> umm, no offense but I've never heard of any of these people before, how are
> they the best and most demanded DJs around???????? I've nothing against seeing
> new DJs but don't bill them as something they're not, k?

Hey, come on Doug!  Cut this guy some slack.  Do you live in the area he 
is talking about?  If not then maybe that's why you haven't heard of 
them before.  Also, if you do indeed live in this area, what he is doing 
is simply promoting his party.  I mean really, do you believe all that 
hype-up crap on fliers in general?



Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
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I feel miffed.  You left out Wisconsin from your list.   =(



Steven J			"Crime will go when capitalism goes.
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> me and my friend were having a discussion about throwing a party and we need
> you guy's help so just for informational purposes......
>  who on here would go to an all jungle party (or know of someone else off the
> list that would) with the likes of Lord Vishnu & some of the purrin lion crew,
> Kid entropy doing a live pa and MCing, Danny da wild child, Casper, Snuggles,
> Anonymous, and possibly Deiselboy or LTJ Bukem for only around 8-10 bucks??? 

it would help you to get more responses + a more accurate assessment if
you would say what city this is going to be in. i don't have a car, but if
somebody were to pick me up on the way to that, sure i'd go, wherever it
is, i'm always up for $8 parties. =D but my luck in finding rides is not
that good.

  ***** =] **** =] *** =] ** =] * !elias! * [= ** [= *** [= **** [= *****



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> Also, if you do indeed live in this area, what he is doing 
> is simply promoting his party.  I mean really, do you believe all that 
> hype-up crap on fliers in general?

No, I don't think anyone does... but I don't think anyone
appreciates it, either.  Where do you draw the line, or should I
say, where is it appropriate to make yourself be heard?

We're kinda' unique here with our fancy little mailing lists in that
we have a pretty easy way to interact with the people responsible
for shaping the scene we claim to inhabit.  Within that
understanding comes a responsibility to voice our concerns and
desires or lose that voice altogether.

Consumerism vs. involvement.  Concert vs. party.

There's a lot of stupid shit that's happening around us, and perhaps
more importantly, between us.  I guess it's easy to throw up your
hands and say, "welp, there's a lot of stupid shit going on", but
what does that solve.  There are lots of problems, yes some not so
serious but many more-so, and until we ban together and decide to
deal with them strongly and concisely will we ever get to that point
where we can say things are actually getting better... by anyone's
perspective.




- Craig

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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Misc. wrote:
> I am not saying that it was the promoters fault he didn't come, but I 
> feel they should have been honest. 

Thank you for your reply. The above quote was the only point I was trying 
to make, call it bitching, if you will.

Now that you explained that Slak came in his place, it makes sense, i 
still qestion why that wasn't explained in the posts you made to the list 
previous to the party.

And I already apologised to Kid Entropy for including him in the 
promoters, he explained to me that he was merely a performer.

no need for hard feelings, I wasn't trying to defame you, just giving my 
opinion whith the facts I had.

peace
elaine

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mouse- If this is too late I understand

MARCH 28, 1998		MILWAUKEE, WI		BIG FUCKIN' RAVE

djs
Ed Cetera-	drum and bass
Stevenj-  trance
Deepstar-	drum and bass
Miscellaneous-	drum and bass

live PAs

exNeumaticon-	d&b made in the brew town
signal drift-	ambience and noise in the chill room

live drumming 9-11pm bring something to beat on
free until midnight, $2 after
info email
eos@barkingcat.org


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.
>>  who on here would go to an all jungle party (or know of someone else
off the
>> list that would) with the likes of Lord Vishnu & some of the purrin lion
crew,
>> Kid entropy doing a live pa and MCing, Danny da wild child, Casper,
Snuggles,
>> Anonymous, and possibly Deiselboy or LTJ Bukem for only around 8-10
bucks??? 

Da Lord Vishnu HELL YEAH!
Danny da wild child!!
Julian and LTJ Bukem!!

Who do I give my money to??

Jenni/Efron


Jennifer Palmer
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I just thought of something...
Mw-Raves was started by someone living in OHIO
if I remember correctly.

Stevenj can you confirm?

Jenni/Efron


Jennifer Palmer
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Sorry folks, we had a few problems printing fliers for this party.  There
are two fliers on the streets that bear two different admission prices.
The correct admission price is, regretfully, the $17 ADVANCE / $20 AT THE
DOOR.  This is why we've been trying to get people to get advance tickets
at the web site or at the ticket outlets.  Please hit the site up and order
your tickets by credit card.  We're trying to throw quality gigs, but
dammit it's hard to keep the price down.  Everyone and I mean EVERYONE has
their hands out!  We're trying though.

Keep the Faith.

PURE/WPCM



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I don't know if thats true or not but I noticed this on the MW Raves site
when I was perusing it today:

the mw archives contain almost every post ever sent to the list, from its
humble beginnings on a university server in wisconsin in late 1992, until
today.

I don't know if that clears anything up but I thought I would share. :)

Brian



On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Jenni Palmer wrote:

> I just thought of something...
> Mw-Raves was started by someone living in OHIO
> if I remember correctly.
> 
> Stevenj can you confirm?
> 
> Jenni/Efron
> 
> 
> Jennifer Palmer
> Texas Hardcorps - Austin, Texas
> Texas Hardcorps Urban Guerilla Squad - Austin, Texas
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Texas Raves Hyperreal Web Admin
> Texas Raves Calendar Admin
> Texas Hardcorps DJ & Web Admin 
> -----------------------------------------------------
> efron@hardcorps.org - jenni@hardcorps.org
> 
> 

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it has just be confirmed for me
Andrew Bennett started MW-Raves
at the time he lived in Oxford Ohio
then moved back to Cincinnati Ohio
(30-40 min drive)  (thank you archon
for confirming my thoughts)

note*The List was housed in Wisconsin.
In the beginging. (thank you brian)

He gave MW-Raves up a few years
ago when he moved to California.


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Hello. I'm new to this list. I'm looking for contacts, promoters, party
throwers, whatever all over the country. I am trying to explore the
different scenes the U.S has and in the mean time trying to promote the
Dj I represent in the San Francisco Bay Area. If anyone could help me or
has any information or would like tapes, please let me know. I'd much
appreciate it!!

Thanx for your time and energy!


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umm, for all the people that asked me where this would take place, it would be
in the Madison , WI area, ok, continue the feedback, and thanks to all that
responded already

peace

Doug dabajja

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of COURSE ohio is in the midwest, where else would it be? mars?
(incidentally our web site is maintained by the amazing ed luna (thanks
ed!) who also lives in the lovely, beauteous state of... *drumroll* ohio!)
if you think it is someplace else, you probably haven't seen it. there are
tons of farms + cows + cornfields + trailer parks + white trash here,
(damn i need to move someplace more fun, columbus is the only thing
really cool about ohio, except for the people i know of course. kent is
analogous to a lobotomy). it is so stereotypically midwestern, not to
mention that it really is located in the midwest. north and south dakota
are also midwest too, it is a big area there is room for lots of states,
and people. i still don't understand though, if most people in the
midwest have never heard of those DJs, how can they be the most demanded
here? i know nothing about them so obviously i can't argue about how good 
they are. anyway, most demanded doesn't mean shit. i think we already know
that popularity does not always equal good DJing. look at terry mullan +
more recently frankie bones for instance, they built up their reputations
on skills + then tried to ride on that + people went (and still do) to see
them for their names, now most of the time they don't show up + the rest
of the time they spin crappy sets (well mostly from what i've heard, from
a lot of people), but they still get mad bookings + cash. =/

  ***** =] **** =] *** =] ** =] * !elias! * [= ** [= *** [= **** [= *****


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> (incidentally our web site is maintained by the amazing ed luna (thanks
> ed!) who also lives in the lovely, beauteous state of... *drumroll* ohio!)
> if you think it is someplace else, you probably haven't seen it. there are
> tons of farms + cows + cornfields + trailer parks + white trash here,
> (damn i need to move someplace more fun, columbus is the only thing
> really cool about ohio, except for the people i know of course. kent is
> analogous to a lobotomy). it is so stereotypically midwestern, not to
> mention that it really is located in the midwest. north and south dakota
> are also midwest too, it is a big area there is room for lots of states,

yes it is very big. although in response to jenni and this post, i just do
think of it as part of the east coast. it is just a mind-set sort of
thing. it is wrong on my part because historically, agriculturally,
culturally, geographically speaking, ohio is in the midwest. :) so i am
wrong and i know it :)

.zoki.


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a friend of mine sent this to me.  i thought you all might get a kick out
of it.  enjoy...
           _ @_/`  XOXO,
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             ~~

>National / International weird sex laws

                             14 US Sex Laws:

*In Harrisburg, Pennsylvania: There is a law against having sex with a
truck driver in a toll booth.
*In Nevada: There is a law against having sex without a condom.
*In Willowdale, Oregon: There is a law against a husband talking dirty in
his wife's ear during sex.
*In Clinton, Oklahoma: There is a law against masturbating while watching
two people have sex in a car.  (what about three?)
*In the state of Washington: There is a law against having sex with a
virgin under any circumstances (including the wedding night).
*In Tremonton, Utah: There is a law against having sex in an ambulance.
*In Newcastle, Wyoming: There is a law against having sex in a butcher
shop's meat freezer.
*In Alexandria, Minnesota: There is a law against a man having sex with
his wife with the stink of onions, sardines, or garlic on his breath.
*In every state in the union: There is a law against having sex with a
corpse.  (presumably it is the perceived *necessity* for this law that
earned it a place on the list.)
*In Ames, Iowa: There is a law against drinking more than three slugs of
beer while lying in bed with a woman.  (man?)
*In Fairbanks, Alaska: There is a law against two moose having sex on the
city sidewalks.
*In Kingsville, Texas: There is a law against two pigs having sex on
Kingsville airport property.
*In Ventura County, California: There is a law against cats and dogs
having sex without a permit.
*In Washington, D.C.: There is a law against having sex in any position
other than traditional missionary.
                          Some International Sex Laws:
*When the husband of a Tasmanian woman dies, the law requires that she
wear her dead husband's
penis around her neck. The women of Gippsland,in Australia, do the same
thing.  (I wonder how these laws would apply to Lorena)
*According to Iranian law, a man is required to perform his ablutions if
he ejaculates while having sex relations with an animal.
On a similar note, Citizens of most Middle Eastern countries are
forbidden to eat lamb under certain circumstances covered by Islamic law.
The law reads, "After having sexual
relations with a lamb, it is a mortal sin to eat its flesh." (What I want
to know is "Why would this have to be made?")
*The law in Bhutan doesn't allow a younger brother to lose his virginity
before an older brother loses his. Nor may a younger brother marry before
an older brother marries.
*In Uruguay, a husband who catches his spouse in bed with another man is
given an option under the current law. He has the right to kill both his
wayward wife and her lover-or he can choose to slice off his wife's nose
and castrate her lover! (AHHH, the joy of giving the public a choice!
Capitalists would be proud)





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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Zoki Stancevic wrote:

> including north dakota and south dakota in as part of the mid-west is very
> accurate. i know that for me, living in minnesota, south dakota is a lot
> closer than anywhere in ohio. in fact, i dont consider ohio or kentucky
> part of the mid-west at all. and although they are defined as such, i
> think that it is all a matter of perspective. i could go into a long
> geographic reason about why north and south dakota are part of the
> midwest, but i will spare you all that geography class nonsense :)
> 
> i think if keeping you keep in mind that the mid-west is very very
> large, and the major cities are spread very far apart, you can see how it
> is just a matter of perspective. if it is something happening in a
> city that you are not close to, then delete the post. :)
> 
> .zoki.

Well, I was about to tell you that the dakotas were not in the midwest, 
and that KY was.... but I checked first....

According to Compton's 1998 Encyclopaedia:

North Central Plains (or Middle West, or Midwest), collective name for 
states of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, 
and Missouri . see also names of states in North Central Plains 

So, it seems as if they both are not, but hey, we fought for the union! ;-P

*~cosmic~~~

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 13 04:45:44 1998
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At 08:16 PM 3/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>of COURSE ohio is in the midwest, where else would it be? mars?
>(incidentally our web site is maintained by the amazing ed luna (thanks
>ed!) who also lives in the lovely, beauteous state of... *drumroll* ohio!)
>if you think it is someplace else, you probably haven't seen it. there are
>tons of farms + cows + cornfields + trailer parks + white trash here,
>(damn i need to move someplace more fun, columbus is the only thing
>really cool about ohio, except for the people i know of course. kent is
>analogous to a lobotomy). it is so stereotypically midwestern, not to
>mention that it really is located in the midwest. north and south dakota
>are also midwest too, it is a big area there is room for lots of states,
>and people. i still don't understand though, if most people in the
>midwest have never heard of those DJs, how can they be the most demanded
>here? i know nothing about them so obviously i can't argue about how good 
>they are. anyway, most demanded doesn't mean shit. i think we already know
>that popularity does not always equal good DJing. look at terry mullan +
>more recently frankie bones for instance, they built up their reputations
>on skills + then tried to ride on that + people went (and still do) to see
>them for their names, now most of the time they don't show up + the rest
>of the time they spin crappy sets (well mostly from what i've heard, from
>a lot of people), but they still get mad bookings + cash. =/

correct me if i'm wrong, but the post you are referring to said nothing
about WHERE these dj's were demanded most.
if i had a car i'd hop in and check that party out.

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tune in to 89.3 wnur from 12 am - 2 am this friday the 13th of march
for rhythm&sound and for sir k's workshop.  this is right after the
strictly jungle show (which runs 11 - 12).  we'll be giving away tickets
to numbers and to paul oakenfold at the metro on the 18th of march.

-dave


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 13 09:35:23 1998
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seein' as everybody else is floggin' their wares... 

fishmix five.90m...
-techno.
negativland - helter stupid (sst)
nigel richards - acid experiments 2 (611)
dj slip - broken cake (missile)
plastikman - naturalistik (plus8)
tim taylor - (fear of music)
riou tomita - re-st (kk)
circuit breaker - friend (probe)
? - (future galactic)
merzbow - binghoff[aquatic] (dirter)
senical - found & lost (fischkopf)
ingler - polyterror (substance hardcore)
richard devine - moving plexor (sixsixtysix)
whitehouse - ...is on fire (susan lawly)
kittens - sleeping beauty (sonic unyon)
-death.
kittens - sleeping beauty (sonic unyon)
merzbow - noizhead (blast first)
choose - slowgan (drop bass)
manga corps - war dancer (ist)
e-sassin - black hole (soundsphere)
manga corps - first wave (ist)
lukas v. randy - fssu (ist)
epc - where do you go? (fischkopf)
nasenbluten - popular shag (strike)
ingler - fx (sixsixtysix)
dj tron - i don't give a fuck (brutal chud)
auto psy - clear (fischkopf)
no name - ydroyd (fischkopf)
laura grabb - decipher (sixsixtysix)
cheech & chong - let's make a dope deal (atlantic)
embolism - (bloody fist)

$6 (including postage to wherever the hell you live)...

I've also got copies of adrenal atrocity (all hardcore)... I never
really flogged that one to the list 'cause we had a fuckin' postage
strike running when I finished it... blah.blah.blah...



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i'm sorry for coming off so nasty before. things were so hectic last week, i
was in san diego the day before and the day of, i had to deal will alot of
things over the cell phone and from the airport that went wrong at the last
minute. we didn't want to give up hope on trace but the guy is just too
irresponsible, either that or he doesn't want to be reached. slak found a
ticket to fly out for us at the last minute so we jumped at the opportunity.
plus, when you've put 7,000 out on the line towards a party and another
promoter decides to run against you, you don't want any negatives leaking out.
i've lost 6,000 dollars on a party before due to competition and weather so to
be honest, i didn't want the negatives to leak out. 

we hear trace is going to be in new york in the end of march now so we're
desperately trying to see if we can bring him here for a make-up but again,
this guy's impossible to get a hold of. our contact in philly seemed to stop
giving up info on him when we mentioned we might have to bring him instead. (a
popular philly dj) as the future holds, we'll do our very best to get these
dj's to show up, we've actually worked out a make up party for james
christian's no show at candyland. paul johnson, we gave him another shot and
he blew it again. mindrive didn't realize that this was the same weekend as
he'd be out of town, we'll get him at the next one to make up for it i hope.
sorry again but i got a bit frustrated reading the posts. 

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>Dare I ask....:) Is there ANYTHING happening in Cleveland
>this upcomming Saturday?  Any info is much appreciated...
>
>brian
>
>--
>"Don't try to define, just listen and dance." ______ ___ . __   _     .
>                      -jungle sky
>.     _   __ . ____ ________  "Well, my mom says I'm cool..."
>                                                             -millhouse



This party will March 14, 1998 (next Saturday)

It will be in Cleveland    Impulse Productions

The line-up is as follows:

Slugo - Chicago - Dance Mania
Clay Ivey - Georgia - Phungus
Trevor Lamont - Lexington - Teamsters
Matt Clark - Detroit
Matt Kristian - Detroit
Urban - Chicago
Audio Pimp - North Carolina
Jason Patrick - Baltimore
Charles Masters - NY
Shawn Micheals - Rochester
808 - Rochester
Brian Stillwater - Baltimore
Joe Kidd - Akron
Alysium - Youngstown
Zona - Columbus
He So High - Canton
7-up - Pittsburgh
Impulse - Youngstown
Zacharia - Akron

info 330-539-9031

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 13 16:52:08 1998
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On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Jenni Palmer wrote:

> I just thought of something...
> Mw-Raves was started by someone living in OHIO
> if I remember correctly.
> 
> Stevenj can you confirm?

Well, Andrew Bennett has something to do with it but if memorry serves 
the very first mw-raves list ran from someone's personal mailbox from a 
user account on a uni system in Michigan.

Andrew, are you still here?


- Steven



Steven White
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			     on Friday the 13th


			Erotishock and Solid State Rec.

				  present.....

				   FADED

DJs  Nick Nice.......Nice Musique
     Synergy.........Solid State Rec.
     Chad Mindrive...Erotishock, Nice Musique
     Sorted..........Flier and Web Guru

this is an 18 and over event, 21 to drink with ID
doors open @ 9:00 pm, get there before 10 and recieve $1 off the cover.

location: inferno 1718 commercial ave, madison. 608.245.9583

support: solid state: 414.777.3982    erotishock: 608.258.0003




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I'd like to take a moment to present to you all my perspective of our
rave culture. As has been noted by many on this list and elsewhere, ours
is a movement very similar to the earlier generations of youth movements
of the punks, hippies, etc. But why does every generation need to form a
movement? One reason is simply to preserve youth. Another is to feel
like a community, a collective group with a collective vision on a
collective mission. It could also be said that they need the security of
having a cause, a reason for living, a motivational force to keep them
from simply saying "Fuck it all." Finally, I think each generation feels
a need to express its view of the world in some way, whether or not most
of them realize that it is a view shaped by someone else's hands. 
	These things said, our future looks pretty bleak. Already images of 50
year old men in huge pants with signs in their hand saying "Hugs can
heal the earth.", wandering through the downtown of a huge city, asking
for change pop into my head. If history were to repeat itself, our
vision will be just another washed up, drug induced vision of the past
that sells ecstacy t-shirts to the college party kids. If we're lucky
some of it will seap into the next movement.
	At this point I'm sure you're all thinking "Yes, but we're all tired of
hearing these sorry disenchantment stories, they're really bringing us
down." However, I'm not going to end this commentary by simply pointing
out what's wrong with our culture, I'd like to offer some solutions.
First, though, I'd like to share with you an exerpt from a 'zine from
back in the day that I just found which inspired me to write this:

		"One day I just woke up and it was all over. The dream had died. The
simplicity
		was transformed into complexity. The world that once seemed so black
and white
		had become a million shades of grey/gray. I no longer believe. Right
and wrong 
		are just words, just syllables with no meaning. We throw these words
around as 
		if we understand them, but all along we are deceived by our
convictions. I have
		learned (or perhaps I have simply remembered) to see with new eyes,
and these
		eyes are skeptical, dissillusioned, and introspective. Some might say
that I have
		become jaded and tired, but I am neither. I simply am no longer
convinced that I 
		am on the side of right or wrong. I am still willing to struggle for
the causes
		that I am willing to struggle for, but that doesn't mean I believe in
a truth
		that stands behind those causes. Every story has a million endings,
and every
		story had a million tellings. Each of us sees with our own eyes. And
what works 
		for me will not work for you. At all moments we are all right amd we
are all wrong.
		It has been a painful journey from conviction to skepticism, from the
well lit 
		room to the dark cave. It has been a journey that has divorced me of
much of my
		passion and anger." - Kent McClard

	The place where the author of this is seems, to me, to be where we all
need to be and to move away from at the same time. I think we all need
to realize that our movement really is somewhat of a joke. I mean, what
is the cause in gathering together to dance to electronic music and look
at lasers and, for some, to take drugs anyway? At a glance that's all it
is. And to some involved that's all it is. And from the viewpoint of
anyone not involved that's all it amounts to. But to some of us, there's
a deeper thread. An inner fabric that weaves it all together in an
amazingly sensible fashion. Which of you can voice what that is,
however? You may think you've got it, but after chasing down that idea
you realize that it was just just another piece of the patchwork and the
search begins anew. 
	That's where we've gone wrong. The object isn't to find out what
created the moment that you felt that "something special" and recreate
it again and again. There's no gain. The object is to realize the drive
within yourself to create that special feeling for yourself and those
around you, and use it to accomplish something concrete. To do this you
must realize that rave is not the doorway to that special moment, it is
the celebration of that ability within ourselves to realize that moment,
and to pass on the drive to create it to others.
	Here's what I propose: To anyone out there involved in this scene
because they want to accomplish something positive we need to pool our
resources and throw a "real" theme oriented and community building
event. We need to begin a Saturday at a local park or camping ground and
pick up all the trash, help mow the grass, whatever needs to be done.
Afterwards we celebrate the fact that we did something, only those that
helped can gain entrance to the event. Maybe we'll even be able to work
out a deal with the camping ground or park to let us have it there in
return for our service, and because everyone helped clean it up, no one
will trash the place. Or we could fix up an old building or wharehouse
and do the same. Or how about setting up a soup line for the homeless?
Talk about getting your moneys' worth from a $20 party! We could use
half the admission to buy supplies for the soup line and the other half
to pay for the party that night. There are thousands of worthy causes to
devote our energies to. I think we're well past the point of building a
foundation of supporters. Its time to turn our passions into products
that benefit everyone around us.
	On top of all this we will finally be able to prove to everyone that we
really are about positivity. We'll finally get some good media coverage
and parents won't want to lock kids in their rooms to keep them from
raving. Also we'll be able to weed out all those 14 yr old crackheads
and fashion models that everybody keeps complaining about. And you wanna
talk about a vibe! How about partyin' with a bunch of people you just
got done working beside towards a goal that you all think is worthy! I
don't think there could be a thicker vibe.
	So if this appeals to any of you out there get in touch with me and
we'll find some way to get something accomplished. I don't know about
you all, but I'm ready to DO something. Thank you if you've made it this
far and I apologize for the winding path that I've taken to get my point
across. As always, I didn't really explain all that I would've like to,
but I think I've make a solid enough arguement. Allow me to end with one
more quote:
		
		"From where I sit, the cycle looks pretty clear. First "we're" talking
animal 
		rights and beginning to use that as a justification for "our"
superiority, then
		the next thing I know, its OK to call girls sluts and homos unnatural
if they 
		are being "impure" or "bad". Don't you see? The plan is to construct
your own
		revolution where you are already the pure/elite, where you will win no
matter
		what. No challenge here, no need to try to educate yourself or deal
with your
		own inconsistencies if you've already reached the apex of evolution.
Yeah, what
		a fucking revolution is being waged in the hearts and minds of our
nations
		youth." - Author Unknown
	
	I say, you want a revolution, relolutionize the way you look at
revolution. Shut your damn mouth and get started. 

Craig 
			
-- 
"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him."-Voltaire

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."-Georg Hegel

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From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
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Okay, you guys _HAVE_ to go look at this.
A friend from Germany sent me this postcard and I almost died laughing...
This is some of older ravers in about 40-50 years. =)

http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra/pictures/techno.jpg


-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*



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You love crossposts.

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11:30pm CST

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this reminds me....my mom once ais somthing along the lines of: jes, think
of all the energy you put into raving. if you really directed that to a
cuase you could accomplish so much....

to which i replied: raving is a cause! its _the_ cause. this sounds stupid
and naive and idealisatic, but at the risk of sounding all these things
i'll say it: i believe raving can change the world. through the fostering
of harmony and collective consciousness and understanding, we can bring
the peace we find on saturday night into the rest of our lives and make it
contageous.......

i'm not denying the negative aspects that confound our culture but i'm
refusing to make them representative of rave. i believe in plur, not as a
cliche phrase but as a force that has changed my life, so much for the
better.

i have no idea how to change the world into a kinder gentler place except
to stat by giving someone a hug and a smile.

rave on. :)

=jes

ps i think my mom was refering to the fact that once upon a time i was
ultra political, before i gave up working within the system that only
exists to perpetuate itself. these days my only political statement is my
"raving is not a crime" bumper sticker on my bedroom door......and i like
it that way.

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, KNOLL wrote:

> 	Here's what I propose: To anyone out there involved in this scene
> because they want to accomplish something positive we need to pool our
> resources and throw a "real" theme oriented and community building
> event. We need to begin a Saturday at a local park or camping ground and
> pick up all the trash, help mow the grass, whatever needs to be done.
> Afterwards we celebrate the fact that we did something, only those that
> helped can gain entrance to the event. Maybe we'll even be able to work
> out a deal with the camping ground or park to let us have it there in
> return for our service, and because everyone helped clean it up, no one
> will trash the place. Or we could fix up an old building or wharehouse
> and do the same. Or how about setting up a soup line for the homeless?
> Talk about getting your moneys' worth from a $20 party! We could use
> half the admission to buy supplies for the soup line and the other half
> to pay for the party that night. There are thousands of worthy causes to
> devote our energies to. I think we're well past the point of building a
> foundation of supporters. Its time to turn our passions into products
> that benefit everyone around us.

> 	So if this appeals to any of you out there get in touch with me and
> we'll find some way to get something accomplished. I don't know about
> you all, but I'm ready to DO something. Thank you if you've made it this
> far and I apologize for the winding path that I've taken to get my point
> 	
> 	I say, you want a revolution, relolutionize the way you look at
> revolution. Shut your damn mouth and get started. 
> 


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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Becky Wangenheim wrote:

> http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra/pictures/techno.jpg

So I guess we can count on shaking tambourines and playing accordions.  
See, I told everyone a long time ago that polka-core was the next 
insanely great dance music to sweep the land!  But no one wanted to 
listen to me.



Steven White
http://radiodistortion.com


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Thanx to all you wonderful folks that offered me a ride tomorrow night.
However, i completely forgot that my madre is coming up to visit, so I will
not be able to go until late--like 11 or 12 or so. (How late is the shindig
gonna go?) But, I did find another ride--so count on two Mac folks showin'
up towards the midnite hour...

PeaceLovePowerMagick
Eric

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Eric Stiens		(estiens@macalester.edu)

"If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution"
						-Emma Goldman-

"Never doubt that a thoughtful, concerned group of citizens can change the
world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever had."
						-Margaret Mead-


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>     Sorted..........Flier and Web Guru
>


geesh. thanks chad.

come one come all and watch me design fliers and websites on 5 turntables!

woo ha!

-s



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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, KNOLL wrote:

> I'd like to take a moment to present to you all my perspective of our
> rave culture.

> The object is to realize the drive
> within yourself to create that special feeling for yourself and those
> around you, and use it to accomplish something concrete. To do this you
> must realize that rave is not the doorway to that special moment, it is
> the celebration of that ability within ourselves to realize that moment,
> and to pass on the drive to create it to others.

> 	Here's what I propose: To anyone out there involved in this scene
> because they want to accomplish something positive we need to pool our
> resources and throw a "real" theme oriented and community building
> event.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I agree with this stuff. After I hit about my fourtieth or
fiftieth rave it all started to get rather same and I needed something
more, something higher. I've raved as non-oppositional artistic expression
(aka dance). I've raved on the steps of the Federal Building to protest
environmental destruction. I've raved in communion with nature under a
lunar eclipse.

Rave can be a tempoary autonomous zone in which personal expression is
celebrated, where movement becomes art, where personal and social
boundaries can drop away, where we can all pulse and throb to the same
beat, and celebrate our humanity in harmony with our environment and each
other.

Wanna make a big difference in our little world? There's a lot you can
do, both inside and outside of raves.

Go vegetarian.
Kill your television.
Vote.
Pick up trash in public.
Make informed buying decisions, whether it's where your $20 for that rave
	is going, or what that megacorp is doing with the money you spent
	on your stereo.
Explore your spiritual nature. Everybody has one, and spirituality doesn't
	mean religion.
Smile at strangers.
.
.
.
Think! It's fun.



I like seeing posts like this. :)

jeff



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>Explore your spiritual nature. Everybody has one, and spirituality doesn't
>	mean religion.
>Smile at strangers.

>Think! It's fun.

i think these are the things that are missing most from our "scene".  i'm
actually surprised to hear this, but it's refreshing to hear that other
people realize the importance of getting in touch with our spiritual
selves, because in doing so, we become more in touch with everything around
us. we realize that we are a part of everything, and treat everyone and
everything with the respect and love that it deserves (do unto others as
you'd have them do to you).  we realize it is in OUR best interest to treat
others this way.

smiling at strangers in and out of the party atmosphere is also a very
important thing.  i think alot of us are guilty of thinking that we can
only love each other at a rave.  what about the bus driver? what about the
check out lady at the grocery store?  these people need to be shown that
people do care just as much as we do.  if we show people not involved with
raving, that it IS possible to love everyone, no matter who they are, they
can bring that knowledge into their lives, and teach it to their kids and
friends. 

like jeff said, these are the ways we can change the world.  by doing the
things that we say this scene is about....or just doing "good" things in
general.

little pieces of wisdom pop up in the most unlikely places...i was sitting
in a George Webb's at about 4:30 in the morning, feeling lower than i ever
have. and i read the placemat. it said "When all's said and done, more is
said than done"
i am just as guilty as everyone else for not doing everything i say should
be done.  If you believe that we can change the world, that is not enough.
you need to embrace the ideals in every facet of your existance...in
thought, word, AND deed.

think, daydream, dream, whatever you call it.  doing this gets you in touch
with a different reality.  share your thoughts and dreams with others...ask
them about theirs.  get to know as many people as you can (in AND out of
the "scene") on as intimate a level as you can.  i may have been
misunderstood in my previous posts of old vs. young...  i don't blame the
young people for our problems, i blame us for not educating.  for making
them think that they need to try to be "cool" or whatever.  but someone
said that we can learn from each other.  and i agree with this totally.
alot of us who have been in the "real world" for awhile have forgotten how
to dream, how to enjoy things simply because they are fun.  at the same
time, we can show them that cliques and being seen and doing drugs is not
what it is about.  or at least it's not what we want it to be about.  

for me, i want it to be about changing the world, i want it to be about the
music (for me, i want it to be about ALL kinds of music)
this is what it is about for me.  

>I like seeing posts like this. :)

ditto.

Chad

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evening kids.  I just wanted to write and express how happy I've been with
the list's content in the past day or so.  I'm glad we're finally spending
the time to express how we truly feel w/out anger, regret, or competition.
It's good to feel some love circulatin' again.

and so I'm not completely wasting our precious bandwidth...

Anybody going to NUMB3ERS?  I'll be there (bells, vibe, etc...) with
Chicago's own--ANIMAL, and my friends Amber and Annie from KC and Omaha.
A+A are infinitely more visible than I am, so if you see 2 girls who can
break really well, ask them where I am and say hi :-)

	"no, it's not the Dimitri from Dee-Lite,"
				
					paul toastman


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myself and captain renz (not captain ron!) will see you all at numbers.

without bells, tho.  :P  just speaking for myself here, at least.  :P

TOMMIE SUNSHINE, BAYBEE!!!!


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on Friday, 03.13.98 paul toastman wrote:

>Hi Charles, I have a quick question.  I remember when you were originally
>considering the venue location and you had 2 choices.  Does the fact that
>the venue just switched to the city mean this party's only going till 4?
>
>	killing the cat,
>			paul toastman
>

No.  The party is scheduled to run until 7:00 in the am.  The legal hoops
have already been jumped through and the party is on.

Hope to see you there.  You'll enjoy it!

PURE/WPCM




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This is from the Perfecto Flier for Paul OakenFold.....this is what the
scene should all be about and i wish every dj was like this

When I started DJing it was no big thing. There was no money in DJing and
you did it purely for the love of playin music and bein able to express
yourself cause all you are is an extension of the crowd, workin the crowd
and gettin involved with what is goin on. I've always DJed for the love of
it and still do...and i don't know if i'll ever lose that love..I doubt it


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This is why I spin:

> When I started DJing it was no big thing. There was no money in 
> DJing and you did it purely for the love of playin music and bein 
> able to express yourself cause all you are is an extension of the 
> crowd, workin the crowd and gettin involved with what is goin on. 
> I've always DJed for the love of it and still do...and i don't know 
> if i'll ever lose that love..I doubt it
>
craig/xotis/spree

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I'd say if you're really serious about combining music and social 
activism, it's the folk crowd you should hook up with. Most ravers I 
know could give a fuck about helpin someone else, they just need drugs 
and a dark party to do em in.

Check this out from ne-raves tho, sounds like a whole new type of raver 
has hit the scene out there:

> youve gotta watch out for this new breed however a mix between 
>gangster
>and raver which is known as the Graver... a truly dangerous anarchist 
>with an unmatched level of insanity.

from dsp on ne-raves

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     Well first off.  Props to the promoters.  Fine event.  Hardcore/Gabber 
     is not something I got much of in NC and it was fun.  New musical 
     styles are always appreciated.
     
     Good:
     
     Attendance was good.  People where friendly.  The DJ who spun ayt 
     around 12:30 just rocked the house.  Complex patterns of shifting 
     beats with a nice dark feeling to it.  Dark enough to lift ones 
     spirits if ya know what I mean.  Hard day at work, hard play later on.
     
     Bad:
     
     Busted by police at 4:00 or so.  Fire code violation.  Damn them.  
     There were not enough people in that building to be a fire code 
     problem.  I even saw fire extenquishers.  We as a group need to figure 
     out how to stop this sort of thing.  And I don't think the answer is 
     permits.  We have a right to assembly and it was violated tonight just 
     like almost every weekend.  What are peoples experiences getting 
     permits?  Is it even doable for a non club/convention center place.  I 
     wanna be able to have warehouse parties!  This was a nice industrial 
     space.  
     
     Other grip to the promoters:  Please handle the water situation.  
     There was a faucet but ya had to look hard for it.  I'm not saying ya 
     have to give out free water, but you need to at least have water 
     available.  Its not that big expense, and probably actually makes 
     money if ya charge(which I'm againat, but oh well).  Dancing folks 
     need water.  Nuff said.
     
     And of course I would of liked to see EYE-D... especially since he fly 
     in from the netherlands.
     
     Overall I had a great time.  I'll look forward to more parties from 
     KultBox.
     
     -Giles

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>I'd say if you're really serious about combining music and social
>activism, it's the folk crowd you should hook up with. Most ravers I
>know could give a fuck about helpin someone else, they just need drugs
>and a dark party to do em in.
>
>Check this out from ne-raves tho, sounds like a whole new type of raver
>has hit the scene out there:
>
>> youve gotta watch out for this new breed however a mix between
>>gangster
>>and raver which is known as the Graver... a truly dangerous anarchist
>>with an unmatched level of insanity.
>
>from dsp on ne-raves
>
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When i was in New York visiting some friends and seeing the scene over
Thanksgiving, I went to a party where they took away our cameras.  i got
over it cuz the new york sets were so good, but it kinda turned the party
flavor sour when i was talkin to some boy who was just dusted, so faded i'd
be surprised if he knew there were dj's in the next room spinning.  when he
got up to leave after screaming at us(he was pissed off cuz we were from
the west coast) i saw that his keys and his great big SWITCHBLADE (you
press a button and a long sharp knife shoots out real fast) had dropped out
of his pocket.  i found him and gave him back his keys.

Yeah, so peace, plur, etc. If it saves a life at a party, cool.
megan

--
megan a healy
Northwestern University
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NUMB3RS 03.14.98

Directions to the venue:

(Fm downtown Chicago):
Take I-94East to 87th street Exit 61A
Go East on 87th street
Take 87th street to Greenwood Ave.
(about 2 miles East of Cottage Grove Ave.)
Turn Right on Greenwood (heading South)
Proceed 2 blocks to 89th Street
Turn Left (heading East)
Proceed to the end of the block
The warehouse is located on your left hand side.
It's the only warehouse on the block
You just can't miss it!

Good luck and drive safely please!

more info: 312.409.PURE
http://www.purewpcm.com



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Sorry to post to the list like this BUT alot of you I know have the
information that I need.... 
I need contact emails or addresses where I can send tape packs for instance
I need mailing addresses for Ed Luna or Indigo, Pure, Dropbass, Evolution
and other promoters in the mid west... 

please reply privately!!!
and Please Please reply.
Jenni/Efron


Jennifer Palmer
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if anyone is going to RAVE THE PLANET in cleveland tonight, come say hi
to me.  i'd love to put some faces with names.  i'll be wearing a bright
orange hoodie and black everything else.  see you there...
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 14 18:45:02 1998
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this is form fl-raves....  if you are itnerested in seeing paul oakenfold
next wed....heres what he was like


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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:43:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Allen Armstrong <metanoia@cat.net>
To: fl-raves@squeaker.cat.net
Subject: fl-raves: Oaky is Great

Well did see anyone post, so I thought I would.

Paul Oakenfold is GREAT! I mean I knew he was great from CDs and tapes and
his music. I mean HE IS Perfecto... what more could you ask for in
greatness? :) But hearing him live just closed the deal on this one. WOW
Great great music! Great mixing. Acidic near goa-ish housey trance... it
was so yummy! The Dave guy also from Perfecto was Perfect :) He played
some wonderful music... very non-firestone type of music... reminded my of
Carl Cox alot. Dance my arse off to him... bouncing and jumping around to
the hard happy techno. Yes happy... it gave me a big smile as I danced
around, reminding me of of the summer of 95, good music creating a good
vibe. Yes a good vibe!! Lots of really nice kids enjoying music. I sed it
once and I still say it... I'm kinda glad that firestone doesnt hold late
nights.. Its filtered out the raver-come-latelys and the
good-time-charlie-ravers. Those kids that were there, Wanted to be there.
I'm gald I wanted to be ther, and glad that I went.


:)



-- 
Allen Armstrong  metanoia@cat.net
Owner-Fl-Raves
"Did you ever wonder if the person in the puddle is real, or are you just
a reflection of him?" --Calvin & Hobbes


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 14 19:06:28 1998
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At 10:15 PM 3/13/98 -0600, dica! wrote:
>myself and captain renz (not captain ron!) will see you all at numbers.
>
>without bells, tho.  :P  just speaking for myself here, at least.  :P
>
>TOMMIE SUNSHINE, BAYBEE!!!!
>
>
>now yer messin with a son of a bitch,
>mr. dica.


me and my sister will be there too =)
 --Jeff W.

 "The finding of DMT in normal human body fluids
 opens up interesting moral and legal questions.
 Since DMT is illegal, as is 'any substance, compound
 or mixture' containing DMT, it would seem that we
 are all guilty of possesion of a controlled substance"
 -Jonathon Ott

 My weird, trippy page:
 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3450/index.html


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 14 19:26:49 1998
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did their netcast ever go off?  i couldn't get it to load, but that was
after the time that it got busted.

anyone listening to the Connected or the texas party netcasts tonite?  and
are either of those going to be archived?

np:  dj ratty realaudio/video mix on drum & bass arena

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.................. i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" ...................
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 14 19:29:39 1998
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the party @ the lab last nite was the first one i'd been to since last may.
the few DJs who got the chance to spin were great, although i didnt really
care for 3D-- i got a little bored-- but it was still rad.  i saw a few
familiar faces that i would have never expected to see there, so that made the
nite even better.  it really sucked when it got busted, cause there we were at
3am, with no where to go, so we ended up sitting in the pricey coffee shop on
clark until 530 am trying to figure out something to do.  but anyway, i'm
looking forward to future kultbox parties....

-=-fatts.-=-

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 14 19:35:21 1998
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fuckin shit.  I've got some serious respect for kultbox now.

biobooster started off the night with, er, techstep.  sorry, I'm just
*bored* SHITLESS with techstep, and this set didn't change my mind.  good
mixing 'n stuff, but blaaahhh..

the next dj (??) dropped some wikked old rollers and some crayzee
jumpup... a couple of sloppy spots, but good composure 'n stuff ;P

OMIGOD, delta9. omigod.  had me dancing in the speakers on my fuckin
crutches. if that doesn't mean he wuz kickin ass, nothing does =) 

we stayed for a few minutes of the next dj (3d/snuggles I believe?), but
since we knew there were cops outside andthat it would eventualy get
busted, we wanted to jet.  oh well..

the PEOPLE made this party something beyond just some crayzee gabbah
event.. average age.. prolly 23.  And this is CHICAGO!  wikked.  And
everyone wuz sooper nice.. it was clear that everyone there was there to
get down to some crazy beats, and the vibe was PUMPIN.

Another respect to kultbox: for the first 30 mins, I couldn't think of
anything beyond how BEAUTIFUL the space was.  warehouse styleee, 2 screens
with video display (was that shit live!@!@?!@?) as well as 2 side
projectors playing some loops.  nice walls of speakers to climb in.  Just
plain old wikked.

For the guy who didn't find the water... someone brought up a jug of water
and a couple hundred cups... right by the door on the stool (right hand
side when leaving). a sign would have been nice, but it was taken care of.

I can wholeheartedly say that I will be at the next kultbox, cuz they know
what the fuck is going on.

peas n carrots
-pete
[FiZ, Rural AmeriKa]  *tonight*::Numb..::(217).353.5111
                      april.11.::Zoikz!::(217).353.5225


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>     Other grip to the promoters:  Please handle the water situation.
>     There was a faucet but ya had to look hard for it.  I'm not saying ya
>     have to give out free water, but you need to at least have water
>     available.  Its not that big expense, and probably actually makes
>     money if ya charge(which I'm againat, but oh well).  Dancing folks
>     need water.  Nuff said.
--
IMHO, it's pretty damn wrong to charge people money for water. _especially_
at a party where the temperature and humidity are elevated to the levels
that they are. heat stroke, anyone?
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>      
>      Other grip to the promoters:  Please handle the water situation.  
>      There was a faucet but ya had to look hard for it.  I'm not saying ya 
>      have to give out free water, but you need to at least have water 
>      available.  Its not that big expense, and probably actually makes 
>      money if ya charge(which I'm againat, but oh well).  Dancing folks 
>      need water.  Nuff said.

This was easily avoidable.  I sent an untranslatable crew to this event,
with tapes, t-shirts...LOTS OF WATER...ect...I called the promoters and
told them
to call me back if there was a problem....they didn't, when my guys got
there they claimed someone very rudley stated that it was not a rave and
vendors WERE NOT WELCOME. Yet when I came around at about 4am (right after
the bust) the promoter was standing outside, I asked him about my guys, he
said they had just left and vended all night, i thanked him for letting
them setup and he said..."anytime"....but evidentally thats not what the
same guy actually told my crew.  

I guess my point is, decided who to support based on who supports the
scene, and who can at least tell the truth. I am not trying to sound
bitter, but we carry merchandise of alot of the people that performed last
night, we were equipped to rectify the water situation.  It just kind of
troubles me that they were so rude and under
handed about it.

-dan



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last night was definitely the poop;
every DJ I saw had somethin groovy goin' on

I liked what Miss Bio threw down, & the next DJ
(Geoff Albores?) tore shit up with his smooth, pimped
out tunes

U-Sheen and Designer both fukken represented!  
U-Sheen's set was prolly the most impressive drum & bass
set I've seen in recent memory; his style is a clean illustration
of dark jungle at it's finest

Delta fukken 9 tore shit up as per usual; & Q System
always manages to come through with something to my liking

overall impression of last night:
great spot, great people, amazing music,
warped video imagery, only I'm only $10 poorer
from the whole deal

big, big props to Kultbox & everyone who made this event
possible
there is hope for Chicago!

Russ


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I agree, at our party we sold cups for 25 cents and gave people unlimited
refills. We just sold the cups so people wouldn't ditch them every
time they finished the water. It worked out nicely and everyone was happy.

Brian E
Zoop Productions - http://smoke.sdsmt.edu/~party/


On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Jason111 wrote:

> >     Other grip to the promoters:  Please handle the water situation.
> >     There was a faucet but ya had to look hard for it.  I'm not saying ya
> >     have to give out free water, but you need to at least have water
> >     available.  Its not that big expense, and probably actually makes
> >     money if ya charge(which I'm againat, but oh well).  Dancing folks
> >     need water.  Nuff said.
> --
> IMHO, it's pretty damn wrong to charge people money for water. _especially_
> at a party where the temperature and humidity are elevated to the levels
> that they are. heat stroke, anyone?
> ____________________________________________________
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 14 22:42:28 1998
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Since we've been recently talking about how to improve the focus of raves,
I wanted to briefly share a review of a party I went to last night.

It was in celebration of the (nearly) full moon, it was a beautiful night
out. We drove and drove over some crazy twisty road until we reached a
point that looked exactly like any other point on the road, at the edge of
a cliff overlooking the ocean, and San Francisco in the distance. With
only the moon's light to guide us and no signs or bass to follow, we
plunged into the forest, and hiked, single-file, for twenty minutes down
this path thru the forest, then all of a sudden we found ourselves on a
clearing, at the top of a hill. Words cannot describe the beauty of the
space. A grassy meadow on a cliff overlooking the ocean. Waves crashed 
down below. There were no cars, no lights, no cops, just us and mother 
nature. When I arived there were about 30 people there, milling around
setting up. It was a free event, no $20 or patdown search. Finally the
generator started running and the music started pumping and about 300
people showed up, and then they turned the soundsystem off. The crowd
gathered into a large circle around he meadow and a beautiful big tree in
the center. We all held hands. Somebody spoke about celebration and energy
and togetherness. We all breathed in and out together, felt the common
energy rush through us. We all took a long moment to stand, all 300 or so
of us, in silence beneath the moon and appreciate each other and our
environment. We chanted the Om as one, candles on the altar were lit, and
then we danced until after the sun came up. It was beautiful.


I strongly encourage rave organizers to try adding a quick ceremony to the
beginning of their events. Doesn't need to be anything elaborate, perhaps
just a quiet second to remember why we're coming together and what we're
celebrating- it made the night that much more magical and focused.

Jeff


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Hey if anyone could email me me with directions to Craig's house tonite I
would greatly appreciate it---Also, are the tables still open????

PeaceLovePowerMagick
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 15 00:37:40 1998
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what's up tonight?  or is everyone gone for spring break:(

	--ann marie

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I just wanted to say thank you to all the people who had responded back
to me for contacts and promoters, etc. etc... You will be recieving the
tapes within the next 7 days.

I also wanted to note that I am representing THREE Dj'S now.  If anyone
is looking for a seriously phresh TECHNO Dj.. let me know and I'll send
info out to you.  The other's are house Dj's, one being more on the hard
style house with tracky disco features, and the other one similar but
not as hard.  The Techno Dj, Chris Jackson has a label, which is
Resource records, maybe you've heard of him or his records.  He is also
involved in JUMP Recordings, which is a tech-house label which just
released there first record with the other dj, JAZ.  And of course my
original Dj, Justin Hale.

Any other questions or  info would be gladly answered..

Thanx again for you time and energy...

PLURing

Miss Bethie
Simply Cosmic Productions
1998

Be True, Stay strong, PEACE, LOVE.. RAVE On....... =)


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 15 06:34:36 1998
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> Check this out from ne-raves tho, sounds like a whole new type of raver 
> has hit the scene out there:
> 
> > youve gotta watch out for this new breed however a mix between 
> >gangster
> >and raver which is known as the Graver... a truly dangerous anarchist 
> >with an unmatched level of insanity.


Ha! I've ravers in their late twenties and thirties calling themselves
'Gravers', but it meant Geriatric Raver to them. :)

jg


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Nice job trevor, Hey Amy!!!!!
umm what was that speech before you played trevor damn acid hit me hard during
it
heh if u dont know its cool
but nice going anyhow
anyone that went right on
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George
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PeaceLoveUnityRespect - Isn't that all we need?
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 15 15:34:15 1998
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well, i should be in bed.. figured i'd write this review up right quick
though.  :P

Numb3rs was pretty good.. didn't get there till around 12:30, and missed
most of tommy sunshine [cry!] but oh well.

diversified audio RULES.  those bins be a'bangin!  the lighting and video
mixing was rad too.. really liked the graffiti craziness on the middle screen.

traxx was boring.  danny was decent... played a wide variety of shit (too
bad he dropped like 4 aphrodite tracks while i was in the "second" room
watching him...) dropped that new Ed Rush & Optical on virus, Prisoners of
Technology, one of the Missy Elliot remixes, and some other goodies.  and
scratching, which was pretty darned good.

gayle san is the SHIT!  she played some hard bangin euro-techno kinda
stuff... a style that i haven't seen in a LOOONG time.  really nice.

darrin price was also pretty good, although i think gayle stole the show.
he played a lot more bangin techno stuff as well... a good listen, but i
was way tired.

the best part of the evening was watching the amazing dancing of omaha's
amber and some others in the break circle.  it was one of the craziest
things i've ever seen... and i have much more respect for the tight
implicities of break circles, too.  good pics, hopefully!  =)

also, this 40 year old black guy was dancin like mad in the circle.... i
talked to him, and he was super nice, even gave me a hug.  that puts a
smile on my face.  i can't say much more than that... that's probably the
moment i'll remember this party for.

thanks to all ride givers, sharers, and everyone i saw there.  rave on.
___________________________________________________________________________
........... jon/dica ........... jabraun@students.wisc.edu ................
...........................................................................
.. rinsin' out every thursday, 12-2am central time at http://www.msr.org ..
...........................................................................
.................. i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" ...................
___________________________________________________________________________

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 15 18:40:01 1998
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Recently there has ben a lot of talk as to what cities and states make up
the midwest scene.  While there has been an attempt or two to list them
all, there has been some glaring omissions.  The fact of the matter is that
the midwest scene has about three or four groupings of cities considering
themselves the midwest scene.

Being from Omaha, when ppl around here speak of the midwest scene typically
they mean Omaha, Lincoln, Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Kansas City, Topeka,
Lawrence, Sioux City... with Rapid City, Minneapolis and St. Louis
sometimes coming into the mix.  Chicago is considered large enuff to be a
scene in an of itself.  Now, there are several people in the midwest who
have never been to a party in this neck of the woods, heck I am still
questioned daily about the exsistence of an Omaha Scene from people in
other parts of the country.

Now I know there are several other similar groupings of cities that
consider themselves "the midwest scene".  Our scene is probably covered a
lot better by High-R Frequencies than Massive; this is because of nothing
more than geography.  We're ravers right?  Most of us are broke and
traveling upwards of 1000 miles total distance weekly is just not a
possibility for most of us.  I don't about the rest of you, but I'm poor. 
The big parties I travel for sure, but it's not realistic to do it weekly. 
Because of this we tend to centralize.

There is nothing wrong with this.  The love in the Omaha scene and our
extended midwest family is limitless.  I just think it is important that we
all keep this in mind when reading somebody's post about the "midwest
scene".  We're all a larger part of the midwest massif, but our scenes are
all varied and unique.

peace-

-pm-

DJ .com

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:54:33 -0600
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well... here is a sad moment for you...

For the last few weeks my partners and I have been trying to get in contact
with Traxx.  We had the number for Pleasure Entertainment, but we try our
best to contact DJs directly; we've have never had a problem with this
method in the past.  We finally asked another DJ who is tight with Traxx on
how to contact him.  He supplied us with a phone number.

So... the next day my partner Aaron proceeds to call the number to speak
with Traxx.  As soon as Aaron had got out of his mouth who he was Traxx
FREAKED out.  He went off for about five minutes...  "Who in the F*** is
this?  How did you get my F******** number?  How in the F*** am i supposed
to know who you are?"  Aaron told who we got the number from.  His response
"Well... he's my boy and all, but this is F***** up!!!  I don't do
F******** business this way!  How am I supposed to know if your ass is
legitimate?  So, what the F*** is this party about anyways?"  Aaron says,
"well.. it's July 4th and..."  Traxx, "I'm booked *CLICK*"

Now... if he would have said "You know I don't do business this way.  I
don't appreciate being bothered.  If you need booking info you need to
speak to my manager."  That's one thing, but this rockstar phone tantrum is
just uncalled for.  Needless to say, i don't see Traxx making an appearance
in Omaha anytime soon, and I will warn other promoters who think of booking
him.  This is not the first I have heard about him going off all of a
sudden.

peace...

-pm-

DJ .com

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 15 19:44:51 1998
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hey guys i am lookin for 4 roboscans with a controller and someone to run
em for the 4th of april right now.

Please email me with all the info, prices, and so on.

Thanx
Mikhail


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Sounds good...but all dem Alphamajestic rekkids!! Hooooohaaaa!!!!  Oh yeah!!!
MMMMmmmmmgood!!! What?? No 99 Red Balloons?? 

Phil

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funny, I always thought Gravers were Goth-ravers

				toastman


On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Jeff Gage wrote:

> 
> > Check this out from ne-raves tho, sounds like a whole new type of raver 
> > has hit the scene out there:
> > 
> > > youve gotta watch out for this new breed however a mix between 
> > >gangster
> > >and raver which is known as the Graver... a truly dangerous anarchist 
> > >with an unmatched level of insanity.
> 
> 
> Ha! I've ravers in their late twenties and thirties calling themselves
> 'Gravers', but it meant Geriatric Raver to them. :)
> 
> jg
> 


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congratulations to charles and PURE on one of the best parties i have been
to in a long time in chicago.  although i only heard gayle san and darren
price i have to say the production of this event was excellent.  the space
was gigantic with extremely high ceilings.  the sound and lighting were
near-perfect for the sort of warehouse feel the party had, and the music
fit the space very well.  i heard nearly 3 hours of the most slamming hard
techno ive heard in chicago in years.  usually the only way to hear this
sort of music is to make the trip on I94 to kalamazoo, milwaukee, or
detroit.  thanks to PURE for bringing this sound to chicago.

-dave



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Hello all!

I have a question, a track id actually. I have been looking for this
song for about 2 years now, nowhere to be found. I figured I'd ask a
group of people with emense knowledge of all things electronic-music
related. :-)

It's a remix of the Star Wars cantina thing, but not that crazy disco
track by Meco. It has samples of all sorts of stuff in it and this
stormtrooper saying "kick it!" and a REALLY bangin' beat. It's soooo
incredible, but I can't find it anywhere!! 

If anyone has ANY idea of what I'm talking about, please let me know
privately so as not to create more bandwidth waste than we already have.
:-)

Thanks very, very much.

ben / dj elroy

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There was a record out entiltled "StarWars and other Intergalactical Funk"
by Meco. I belive it was in late 70's i dunno. i will get you the label
name here in a while.

hope this helps

AC


On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, DJ Elroy wrote:

> Hello all!
> 
> I have a question, a track id actually. I have been looking for this
> song for about 2 years now, nowhere to be found. I figured I'd ask a
> group of people with emense knowledge of all things electronic-music
> related. :-)
> 
> It's a remix of the Star Wars cantina thing, but not that crazy disco
> track by Meco. It has samples of all sorts of stuff in it and this
> stormtrooper saying "kick it!" and a REALLY bangin' beat. It's soooo
> incredible, but I can't find it anywhere!! 
> 
> If anyone has ANY idea of what I'm talking about, please let me know
> privately so as not to create more bandwidth waste than we already have.
> :-)
> 
> Thanks very, very much.
> 
> ben / dj elroy
> 


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I've heard the Meco version and it's not that. This song was produced in
the 90s, not the 70s like the Meco one. I am sure it's not the Meco
song, but that's where my confusion sets in, I don't know what it could
be. 

Thanks though.

Ben / DJ Elroy


Aaron Crawford wrote:
> 
> There was a record out entiltled "StarWars and other Intergalactical Funk"
> by Meco. I belive it was in late 70's i dunno. i will get you the label
> name here in a while.
> 
> hope this helps
> 
> AC
> 
> On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, DJ Elroy wrote:
> 
> > Hello all!
> >
> > I have a question, a track id actually. I have been looking for this
> > song for about 2 years now, nowhere to be found. I figured I'd ask a
> > group of people with emense knowledge of all things electronic-music
> > related. :-)
> >
> > It's a remix of the Star Wars cantina thing, but not that crazy disco
> > track by Meco. It has samples of all sorts of stuff in it and this
> > stormtrooper saying "kick it!" and a REALLY bangin' beat. It's soooo
> > incredible, but I can't find it anywhere!!
> >
> > If anyone has ANY idea of what I'm talking about, please let me know
> > privately so as not to create more bandwidth waste than we already have.
> > :-)
> >
> > Thanks very, very much.
> >
> > ben / dj elroy
> >

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I'd like to know if anyone is going to watts up at the end of the month.  
Nobody has really been talking about it, so I'm wondering if I'd be 
better off spending 12 bucks elsewhere.  Who's going? and does anyone 
know the people throwing this event?
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Does anyone know of any ways of applying artwork to a CD other than the
NEATO kits? Does silkscreening work? I am simply trying to coverup the
label side on a CDR.


Thanks


AC



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At 07:09 PM 3/15/98 -0600, Rachel Newton wrote:
>hi
>i'm looking for some good trance and i was wondering if anyone had
>any suggestions...also what does the word progressive add to the
Well not knowing what style of trance you like here are some of my favorites:
Artists:
Hallucinogen
Green Nuns of the Revolution
Jim Clarke
Synchro
Slinky Wizard
Nostrum
Subcouds
Celtic
I could go on forever , can you tell I love trance, most those are what is
called psychadelic/goa & cybertrance
here are some labels that are some of my favs and I get lots of stuff off of:
Noom
Flying Rhino 
TIP
Eve
Twisted

If you need anymore let me know :) Maybe if I can ever get this damn
beatmatch thing down good then I will send ya a tape of it :-)

love&light,
-jeffz


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dica! wrote:

> did their netcast ever go off?  i couldn't get it to load, but that was
> after the time that it got busted.
>
> anyone listening to the Connected or the texas party netcasts tonite?  and
> are either of those going to be archived?

hrm. not sure. i listened to the connected one though as i was there. :) party
was kickass. all dj's showed. great time was had by all. if you do find out if
it was archived or not. lemme know. :)


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I'm sorry that Mel spazzed at you in a bad way, but to be honest, he can
be pretty spazzy in a good way too -- he gives more honest hugs than any
other dj I've ever met.  He's not a real mellow person in my
experience, but to me he's been exceedingly cool... maybe you caught him
on a really bad day or something.
We had him booked since January for our party that was supposed to
happen last night, but in the Middle of February we heard Plus8 was
throwing a party the same night.  After hearing from Tim Price that they
were indeed most likely going to be throwing, we had no choice but to call
the djs and ask them please please to transfer the deposits to May 16th.
Mel had been booked longer than any other dj, so he had the most right to
be annoyed, but he was very cool about it, as was Trevor Lamont, Huggie,
Acetate, and the other local Detroit djs.  In fact, the only dj that gave
us shit was the dj who had only been booked for a week or 2, and if I
named him you would all know him.
So this illustrates one of the nice things about this mailing list:  I
think that for every public figure (promoter, dj, etc.) out there, there
are people who've had or heard both positive and negative experiences with
him or her.  With free speech, we can hear the truth (or more often, the
truths, which can be contradictory) and each of us can decide for
ourself what to believe.  Without fear of libel
or slander suits being thrown at us for presenting one possible truth.

Becky

Oh, and by the way, obviously plus8 decided not to have their party, so
we got dicked. But
I hear Analogue threw together a party with a pretty shitey line-up, did
anyone go and how much did it cost?  I'm guessing $20 as usual?



On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, DJ .com wrote:

> well... here is a sad moment for you...
> 
> For the last few weeks my partners and I have been trying to get in contact
> with Traxx.  We had the number for Pleasure Entertainment, but we try our
> best to contact DJs directly; we've have never had a problem with this
> method in the past.  We finally asked another DJ who is tight with Traxx on
> how to contact him.  He supplied us with a phone number.
> 
> So... the next day my partner Aaron proceeds to call the number to speak
> with Traxx.  As soon as Aaron had got out of his mouth who he was Traxx
> FREAKED out.  He went off for about five minutes...  "Who in the F*** is
> this?  How did you get my F******** number?  How in the F*** am i supposed
> to know who you are?"  Aaron told who we got the number from.  His response
> "Well... he's my boy and all, but this is F***** up!!!  I don't do
> F******** business this way!  How am I supposed to know if your ass is
> legitimate?  So, what the F*** is this party about anyways?"  Aaron says,
> "well.. it's July 4th and..."  Traxx, "I'm booked *CLICK*"
> 
> Now... if he would have said "You know I don't do business this way.  I
> don't appreciate being bothered.  If you need booking info you need to
> speak to my manager."  That's one thing, but this rockstar phone tantrum is
> just uncalled for.  Needless to say, i don't see Traxx making an appearance
> in Omaha anytime soon, and I will warn other promoters who think of booking
> him.  This is not the first I have heard about him going off all of a
> sudden.
> 
> peace...
> 
> -pm-
> 
> DJ .com
> 


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In a message dated 3/16/98 12:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, meyerr@umich.edu
writes:

> Oh, and by the way, obviously plus8 decided not to have their party, so
>  we got dicked. But
>  I hear Analogue threw together a party with a pretty shitey line-up, did
>  anyone go and how much did it cost?  I'm guessing $20 as usual?

hmmm... i seem to notice everyone slamming on analogue systems and system in
detroit... and i was wondering why this is...

paul

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hi there :)

first of all
im not sorry for the waste of bandwidth cause just
about everyone has wasted far more than both u 
and I will need for the next 24 days orso......  :p

secondly, I have been away for the last  two weeks
and since I didn't unsub from the list, I have a shitload
of oldskool, outdated email....(most of which, doesn't 
seem to have anything to do with raves so far).........

anyways, if u might have sent me any e-mail within
the last few weeks and I havn't gotten back to u yet, 
please resend it to me so I reply right away instead of
late may which is when I predict I will catch up with
everything else. If u didn't send me any e-mail...........
well, don't worry about it then I guess. =]

oh, and finally.............it's all about techno.

ciao
-d

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 16 06:35:12 1998
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> Oh, and by the way, obviously plus8 decided not to have their party, so
> we got dicked.

everyone heard these rumours of richie throwin' some shit down but um. did he
ever actually say anything himself that he was throwin' sumfin? cause i mean
richie's been half way around the world for the past month doin' dates and stuff
so...<shrug> i duno. figured that it'd take some effort in throwin' something
together. hehe...but then again. wasn't that laurent garnier party thrown
together in a week? <shrug> i duno. if anyone can pull it off. it'd be richie...

> But I hear Analogue threw together a party with a pretty shitey line-up, did
> anyone go and how much did it cost?  I'm guessing $20 as usual?

no clue. i have the flyer in front of me and it looks pretty bleek to say the
least. dont' get me wrong. those dj's are great local dj's. but that's all they
are. and to charge that much you'd have to put a few names together. prolly a lot
of people went too as there really wasn't much else goin' on in detroit that
nite. personally i was in toronto this weekend partyin' at the dose party.

mikey...


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Tim Price was trying to put it together, and he said he was "70%" sure it
was going to happen on our date.  Since that was about a month before the
date, we had no choice but to change it, since to wait longer and find out
for sure would be grossly unfair to the djs, who it was already
inconvenient for.  As it turns out, we could have left it, but if it had
been the other way...  Oh well.  You just can't have a party the same
night as Ritchie Hawtin and JOhn Aquaviva, y'know :(?
Becky

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, e-nid wrote:

> > Oh, and by the way, obviously plus8 decided not to have their party, so
> > we got dicked.
> 
> everyone heard these rumours of richie throwin' some shit down but um. did he
> ever actually say anything himself that he was throwin' sumfin? cause i mean
> richie's been half way around the world for the past month doin' dates and stuff
> so...<shrug> i duno. figured that it'd take some effort in throwin' something
> together. hehe...but then again. wasn't that laurent garnier party thrown
> together in a week? <shrug> i duno. if anyone can pull it off. it'd be richie...
> 
> > But I hear Analogue threw together a party with a pretty shitey line-up, did
> > anyone go and how much did it cost?  I'm guessing $20 as usual?
> 
> no clue. i have the flyer in front of me and it looks pretty bleek to say the
> least. dont' get me wrong. those dj's are great local dj's. but that's all they
> are. and to charge that much you'd have to put a few names together. prolly a lot
> of people went too as there really wasn't much else goin' on in detroit that
> nite. personally i was in toronto this weekend partyin' at the dose party.
> 
> mikey...
> 
> 


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picked up a few pre-flyers and flyers.for detroit parties. thought they
might be of interest. these are typed as seen on the flyers....

3.28.98
searchin-a pb98 party.
---------
terrence parker.
d-wynn.
mike huckaby.
michael geiger.
m.servito.
eric/jeremy-tagteam.

hiphop•bootyroom
dj zap.
hitoshi.
nico.
plus special guests.

248.901.5052
$12. early birds get discounts.



4.10.98
thickliquid
------------
Neil Landstrumm--Tresor/Scotland
Trackhead Steve--Relief Records/Chicago
Blake Baxter--Tresor/Detroit.
J.Savage+Cal--tagteam.
313.709.5087

5.30.98
Detor
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Rob Hood.
Claude Young.
Murat.
Dez.
more dj's tba.




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 16 07:02:42 1998
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this is clement from the kansas city/ lawrence area,  and a long ass time
ago (about 1.5months maybe longer)
you wrote to me about going to a rave sometime, but your aol email address
doesn't work  so i don't know how to get a hold of you, if you get this
message write back at clem@falcon.cc.ukans.edu       later.  and if your a
nonmelissa, sorry for wasting bb space.
                                    clem


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> In a message dated 98-03-11 16:51:27 EST, you write:
> 
> > Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST
demanded DJ's
> >  in the
> >  Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.
> >  
> >  Trigga Happy Cyko -- Omaha NE -- Next Level Records, Omaha
Underground,
> >  Omaha
> >  Jungleistic Society
> >  Tilzs -- Rapid City, SD -- Zoop Productions
> >  Ishe -- Denver CO
> >  DMX -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> >  J.Love -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> >  Slippy -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective

ya know... I live in kc (kansas city) now... that partys only three and a
half hrs from me... And I know of a total of *one* dj on that billing.
The headliner of that party played 2nd room in omaha when I played there
on New Years. I'm not saying these djs suck... but as far as "best" and
"most demanded"... my nuts.

now if they would have said "phat free!"... THAT I could believe.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 16 07:30:08 1998
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I had a great time at Numb on Saturday night.  It's been
a long time since I've been to a house party, and this was
a great one.  Just about everything I've gone to in Champaign, Ill
has been really good.

Got there around 1am and setup the 2nd room.  Not sure the name
of the person who went on first, but it was tight.  Went downstairs
to see what was going on in the basement, but it was packed,
so I went back up.  I couldn't believe how many people were smoking.
It was pointless to puff on a cigarette when all you had to do was walk
into any of the rooms to get a big whiff of tobacco.  I don't go to parties
much anymore, so my lungs weren't really ready for that.  I made several
trips outside for fresh air.

Then I went on around 2am in the 2nd room with hiphop.  I had a blast.
There is nothing better than looking up from the tables to see people
smiling.  In the middle of my set, I could feel the floor beneath me start
shaking at about 160 bpm.  I knew it must've been Mark Lancaster going
on downstairs.  I wrapped up my set early so I could go listen to him for a
bit.

He was tag teaming with (was it Ryan or Bryan?).  Hard techno.  The best
way I could describe it would be to say "Nitty, gritty, and loud"...The
kids
were loving it.  Mark, I loved it...I don't know what happened to you
afterwards...Well, maybe I do...heh.

I had to leave by 6 to get back to st louis, so I didn't get to see how the
party wrapped up.  It was definitely worth the 6 hours I spent in the car.
If you ever want to go to a good house party, just wait for the next one
going on in Champaign/Urbana Ill.  They've consistantly been grade-A.

---ben / Cylert

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> > > Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST
> demanded DJ's
> > >  in the
> > >  Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.
> > >  
> > >  Trigga Happy Cyko -- Omaha NE -- Next Level Records, Omaha
> Underground,
> > >  Omaha
> > >  Jungleistic Society
> > >  Tilzs -- Rapid City, SD -- Zoop Productions
> > >  Ishe -- Denver CO
> > >  DMX -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> > >  J.Love -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> > >  Slippy -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> 
> ya know... I live in kc (kansas city) now... that partys only three and a
> half hrs from me... And I know of a total of *one* dj on that billing.
> The headliner of that party played 2nd room in omaha when I played there
> on New Years. I'm not saying these djs suck... but as far as "best" and
> "most demanded"... my nuts.
> 
> now if they would have said "phat free!"... THAT I could believe.

actually Trigga Happy Cyko played main room along with Pharroh on a 4 table
set at Life...

he was also on the bill at EdgeFest with you, but not sure if you were
there at that point...

but yeah... gotta agree here... i really wouldn't call patrick one of the
most demanded DJs in the midwest.

peace...

-pm-

DJ .com




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the track is the Cantina Theme on definitive.

came out a year or so ago.

jon/dica



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 16 15:20:14 1998
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Rachel, I've just completed mastering my latest dj recording "Progressive
Volume Two" (PV.2). It's was recorded at a set I spun at a party in San
Francisco called "In House We Trust". It has a lot of unreleased trance
tracks, including tracks/remixes from Paul Van Dyke, Force Mass Motion, BT,
Essence,.... PV.2 will soon be out in stores on CD, but we'd be more than
happy to offer you, and anyone else interested on mwraves, a complimentary
recording if you can send a quality 90 minute cassette (i.e. Maxell XLII, TDK
SA), and a $1.00 bill (for return postage), in a protective mailer (i.e.
bubble or foam envelope), to:

Attention: PV.2
GRM
1809 Gouldin Road
Oakland, CA 94611

8) MODA, Trancefusion, San Francisco

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 16 15:58:15 1998
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RAVE THE PLANET:
i hadn't had time to go thru my e-mail for a while so i had no idea what
the line up was to this + i met this guy dave at the movies thursday night
+ he told me when it was. but our ride fell thru on fri, then sat night i
called my friend amy + she decided to go so we had a ride + dave's friend
rachel came too. anyway we got to the forking evil agora at about 10:30
and saw corrie + bryan there. the agora security people were kind of being
dicks + said take those chains + water bottles back to the car. so we hid
the chains in our pockets + corrie had a big pocket so she smuggled in a
water bottle for us (very cool). 

the music for the first few hours was almost all hard house, which is
alright for me for a short time, but it was in all 3 rooms at once a
couple times. i did hear a couple of DJs spinning some hard acid, which i
really got into, i never hear hard acid spun out anymore. =/ then at about
2, somebody came on in the ballroom-room spinning hardstep/jumpup, which i
was glad to hear just for the change in rhythm (although i wish it was
techstep =D ). everybody in that room was really getting down by then,
including me. later i went upstairs + realized i had just missed a techno
set which was disappointing, but lou (the guy throwing "space" i don't
know his stage name) went on then doing a live PA of superhard techno
which was so perfect to hear then, his music was really really good. he
should have be playing in one of the downstairs rooms, because there were
only a few people up there (+ i was the only person dancing half the
time). and in the main (theatre) room the music was so boring. it sounded
all the same everytime i had gone in there to check it out. but then i
realized somebody had stolen my stack of about 20 flyers i had collected,
so i was kind of mad, but right then i met this guy who had a lot of
flyers + he gave me his extras =] so it was ok. 

a little later, the good security guards (the ones hired by corrie +
bryan) directed everybody into the main room. the stage was packed with
tons of people + corrie was making a speech about focusing on love and
unity and music which was cool but i just heard the very end of it, then
she had several people introduce themselves on the stage and if they were
ravers, to say so. i don't understand the point of that, that sort of
thing seems like it divides us into opposing camps. i don't know what i
would have said if i had been asked. because if somebody asked me are you 
a raver i would say yes (although i haven't decided if that's the best
word). but also i am an artist, and a DJ, those things are at least as
important. we are a lot more complex than ravers + non-ravers, or
whatever. oh well...

the next DJ on was (fellow mw listmember!) trevor lamont. =] =] =] i think
he was a surprise guest or something. he spun his usual style of soulful
vocal house. at times it moved closer into hard house which i didn't enjoy
quite as much, but it was still a very good set, and excellently mixed, by
the way. (afterwards in the car my friends said trevor was the best DJ all
night) i was the person in the center in front of the stage blowing a
whistle + dancing + jumping + cheering + waving around a red strobe light
(at that time + the whole night earlier) so if you don't know me you might
have seen me. that was the first time i stayed in the main room + the
sound was really weird in there, because even though it didn't seem louder
than the sound at any other party of similar size, the bass was really
hard. it would vibrate thru the center of your body + it seemed to be
pounding me 1000x in the solar plexus. i am still sore there + there is no
other reason for it. so i just though that was very strange.

at the end of the party corrie said on the stage how much money they had
lost that night: $8000. she said there would be a jar for donations
by the door. i understand their motivations (if i lost $8000, i'd
practically feel like stealing it), but i don't know if that's (asking
even more with a $25 admission price) the right way to go about it, or if
there IS a right way. but, that's some serious money. and i believe it,
knowing the shadiness of the agora. the agora's people were taking the
money at the door until the profit was as much as they were supposed to
get. that's ridiculous. i think it's always bad when the space owners are
running the cashbox, or sometimes worse, getting a percentage of the
profit. who's to say they aren't pocketing some of it right there? 

then as 100s, maybe 1000s of people were slowly moving out of the space,
thru narrow doors, the agora security started yelling "get moving! get the
fuck out of here! move faster!" it was absurd. so much for good vibes.
anyway, i really wish better people ran that space. the 3rd floor room in
there is so nice. it had that perfect dark abandoned building atmosphere
with boarded up windows with cold wind blowing thru the room. there is
also a room on the 2nd floor that had a board covering the doorway + i
climbed up + looked over it + saw in there + it's really dirty and has
junk lying all over + broken out windows. i don't know if the floor would
hold up if you stepped on it though. but if that room was cleaned out +
the floor was ok, those 2 floors would make a nice space. anyway i
promised corrie i'd leave a message on their infoline with information
about better spaces. she said it's hard to look for them since they have
to find a babysitter for their son. hopefully i can find them a big
warehouse.

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(from the pb-cle list)
> Could you post the entire lineup?and everything else on the flyer>?

if you insist (i have tried to capture the implicit true chaos the best
that i can, including all errors + arranging the info the same confusing 
way as on the flyer):

   	spawntaneous     &     psychoactive 
   	live performances by     presents: FOUR20V3.0
	RAKIM 			       FUNKIAN TRIBE
	universal records/new york city   455, spawntaneous/thieveland, oh.
	STEVE CINCH AKA SLEEPY C
		      ava,psychoactive,definetive/cleveland,oh. 
	EVILECTRICIANSspawntaneous/cleveland,oh.
	KENNETH GRAHM & SUN CHILDREN
		   control team records,peacefrog,bomb/la.,ca.
	PUREPLEX zmmf! records/cleveland,oh.
	PLAYGROUND PRODUCTIONS LIVE PA.

	FEATURING:	DEEON		AND		MILTON
	DJ PERFORMANCES BY:
	JAMES PENNINGTION AKA SUBERBAN KNIGHTur/detroit
	WOODY MCBRIDE AKA ESPcommunique,labworks,bush recrds/minnasota
	BOO WILLAMS  GLEN UNDERGROUND  TIM HARPER
	S T R I C K Y  J A Z Z  U N I T / C H I C A G O
	HOSCHI				 	TWONZ
	owner of now! record store & labworks   hijacked records/detroit
	records/germany
	DJ ASSUALTassualt rifle,electrofunk records/detroit STANexile/la.,ca.
	GENE FARRIS force inc.,relief record/chicago u.s.a.+MORE TBA
	GANK*CHRIS PULSE*MIKE SPARKS*TIK TAK*OPTOMUS
	spawntaneous productions crew/cleveland,ohio
	tickets available at hempfeilds at w.118 and detroit #226-0660
	APRIL 18&19 98 CLEVELAND,OH. INFO 216-980-0188

yes the flyer really does look like that, the spacing + stuff. the
spelling error count is now at 8. don't ask me about punctuation!

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, dica! wrote:

> did their netcast ever go off?  i couldn't get it to load, but that was
> after the time that it got busted.
> 
> anyone listening to the Connected or the texas party netcasts tonite?  and
> are either of those going to be archived?

Our were going to be archived, but what happened is at the party we 
played/broadcasted from had a bouncy floor so our sets ended up being the
most skippinest needles sets ever. =P So we're going to try and prevent
anyone from having to suffer through that real audio.

Sorry for the troubles for any of those of you that actually listened
in.



dj noahphex  ::  noahphex@hardcorps.org :: aka. muppetfucker
massive mag  :: happyhardcore list owner:: texas hardcorps
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http://www.hardcorps.org/noahphex 	:: http://www.massivemag.com
contact me for tapes or booking info	:: vmb: 512.703.8901


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i just picked this one up


coming March 31, 1998 to Braden Auditorium in Bloomington/Normal, IL
Illinois State uNiversity presents

Run DMC
and
the SUgarhill Gang
featuring Grandmaster Mellie Mel

tickets availabel this week sometime
through ticketmaster
309-454.5500

starts at 8 pm




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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, DJ .com wrote:

> 
> > > > Zoop Productions is also bringing in some of the BEST and MOST
> > demanded DJ's
> > > >  in the
> > > >  Midwest/Mountain Regions of the US.
> > > >  
> > > >  Trigga Happy Cyko -- Omaha NE -- Next Level Records, Omaha
> > Underground,
> > > >  Omaha
> > > >  Jungleistic Society
> > > >  Tilzs -- Rapid City, SD -- Zoop Productions
> > > >  Ishe -- Denver CO
> > > >  DMX -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> > > >  J.Love -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> > > >  Slippy -- Denver CO -- 303 Collective
> > 
> > ya know... I live in kc (kansas city) now... that partys only three and a
> > half hrs from me... And I know of a total of *one* dj on that billing.
> > The headliner of that party played 2nd room in omaha when I played there
> > on New Years. I'm not saying these djs suck... but as far as "best" and
> > "most demanded"... my nuts.
> > 
> > now if they would have said "phat free!"... THAT I could believe.
> 

Perhaps we should change it to: The WORST and LEAST demanded DJ's, that
way none of those closed minded people who seem to populate this list will
pay any attention to it. Just because we didn't book Dan Efex doesn't
mean we didn't book some very talented DJ's. And Nitro, what road do you
take to get from Kansas City to Rapid City in 3.5 hours? More like 9 hours
for me, or more.

This post isn't meant to bash everyone on the list, cause I know there
are a lot of people who are true to the scene on here, but it seems every
time someone tries to do something positive they get flamed for it. Not
ONE post about the party we are throwing has been positive from this
list... that is discouraging at best. If anyone wants to see more of these
un-demanded DJ's check out the castle party:
http://hyperreal.org/raves/mtn/castle

Brian...


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I thought Gravers where goths that hung out at raves..?


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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Jeff Gage wrote:

> 
> > Check this out from ne-raves tho, sounds like a whole new type of raver 
> > has hit the scene out there:
> > 
> > > youve gotta watch out for this new breed however a mix between 
> > >gangster
> > >and raver which is known as the Graver... a truly dangerous anarchist 
> > >with an unmatched level of insanity.
> 
> 
> Ha! I've ravers in their late twenties and thirties calling themselves
> 'Gravers', but it meant Geriatric Raver to them. :)
> 
> jg
> 
> 


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hey everyone!  #s was awesome!  anyway, i'm leaving for london on thursday and
gonna be there till june  :)  does anyone know how i can find out about
parties there?  or is it all clubs w/o the parties like we have here?  can
anyone tip me off to the good ones?  thanx!

sarah  :)

have fun here w/out me :(

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>> > now if they would have said "phat free!"... THAT I could believe.
>> 
>
>Perhaps we should change it to: The WORST and LEAST demanded DJ's, that
>way none of those closed minded people who seem to populate this list will
>pay any attention to it. Just because we didn't book Dan Efex doesn't
>mean we didn't book some.........

w0t!?!

since when is dan efex in demand? people who are in demand are usually the 
ones who come from far away... =]  I live too close to be in demand, and
besides, being in demand can have damaging side effects to the ego to say the
least.  :p

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I haven't seen anything on the list about this so I thought I'd pass it along. 
I'm not affiliated in any way, just thought folks might be interested.....

TRANCEPLANT
Join us as we journey into the surreal world of trance
3.20.98 (Friday, in Columbia, MO)
Recharge your body, mind, and soul through futureprimitive dance ritual

With DJs:

the psychedelic shaman of sound
*JEREMIAH*
Equanimity Soundsystem, San Francisco / Bay Area

LA's hardtrance guru
*IMA*
Entropy / LA

morning progressive set by LA's
*SEAN RUBIO*
metropolis los angeles

plus guests
DJ QUEST - Flux/KC
HENRY NAVARO - dreamcatcher/columbia

Tranceplant is taking root on the Vernal Equinox, a time of renewal.
Keep the Good Vibe!

Infolines 314/994-1114, 573/443-6251

(I heard that admission is only $10)

Tam

***********************
Here's a quote for the "flamers":

"Those who are at war with others are not at peace with themselves."
-William Hazlitt


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trance is either loved or hated.  I can tell you, that when I tell 
people that I spin tance, they give me crap like, "it makes me sleepy" 
well, I agree that there is alot of boring trance out there, but then 
again, 99% percent of house is boring too.  Progressive trance is where 
its at.  Progressive meaning very well orchestrated and thickly layerd 
music with a decidely "intelligent" feel to it.  If you want mindless 
blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno.Goa/psychedelic trance has 
to be the craziest, most insane music out there.  Artist like 
Hallucinogen, Shaolin wooden men, Metal spark, and anything from TIP are 
greatly convoluted and not for the faint of heart.  People say "goa 
sounds like video game music"  but every time Dan Efex drops a goa tune 
at a party, people loose their shit.  Good labels are TIP, Matsuri (for 
you really sick fucks out there) and Twisted.  Epic, or Prgressive 
trance is the soaring, beautiful melodic trance with lots of acid and 
builds-the shit that makes you cry its so good, the shit that will cause 
orgasm whether your rollin or not.  Artist such as Terra Firma, Oliver 
Leib, and anything on Platipus or Eve are great.  Platipus and TIP re 
prolly the best lables out there.  Hope that helps people understand 
trance alittle more..

now for Traxx...

quite possibly the worst DJ I have ever seen.  Firts of all, I dont like 
dumpster house.  That is not to say you shouldnt, but I appreciate good 
music, and the kind of crap that traxx plays is soo damnun-inspiring , 
it was truely garbage.  Second, I was at a party once, and saw Traxx 
throw on a crap track of house so minimal, that it consisted of nothing 
more than a never changing thump-thump beat, and a a crack smoking diva 
wailing "oh yeah" or something. then he proceeded to talk to his friend 
for a half hour and actually left the tables!  needless to say, I was 
horrified.  bad bad bad<--------HION 

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I love trance :) so here is sum info about it

I have recently discovred buncha kick ass german labels that make
progressive trance and i love mixing progressive and harder acid trance
together. So here are a few labels to look for

Noom, Eve, TEC, Tesseract, Jinx, Low Sense, Suck Me Plasma, Hook, Alphabet
City, sum POsitiva and sum Perfecto.

My .02$
Dj Fuckface


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	I had an e-flier for a party that looked really good this weekend
in columbus....but I deleted it...(opps)....could some one send it to me
again, or at least the info line number.

does anyone know how long it is from chicago to columbus....I have never
done it but I want to say 5 hours...

-dan


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Hey mwers-

Former Milwaukeean- now existing in New York- was recently psyched by Paul
Oakenfold's gig in the big Apple.  I hear he is coming to Chicago...but I
haven't been able to locate the info.

Can anyone help out?  Anybody hear of a schedule?
Thanks-
Michael

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Wednesday, March 18 @ Metro

Paul Oakenfold (London)
Dave Ralph 

$12, $10 for PURE card holders
11pm-4am 18+

info: 312.409.PURE
www.purewpcm.com


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Paul Oakenfold is spinnin' at The Metro this wed.(3/18/98)
with Dave Ralph...........3730 N. Clark St.  11pm-4am......18+
$10 for PURE members
$12 everyone else

I am looking for a ride home from this event, if anybody
that's going lives in the NW suburbs or North or west of
Chicago anywhere. I can take public transportation to 
get there, but not at 4 am. I live in Arlington Heights
 just off 90W and can provide gas funds, and good 
company. Please, help a poor child to
go see and Paul Oakenfold.

onelove.
noble

"There must be a future that we can choose for ourselves."

np=northern exposure2sasha&john digweed

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> This is from the Perfecto Flier for Paul OakenFold.....this is what the
> scene should all be about and i wish every dj was like this
> 
> When I started DJing it was no big thing. There was no money in DJing and
> you did it purely for the love of playin music and bein able to express
> yourself cause all you are is an extension of the crowd, workin the crowd
> and gettin involved with what is goin on. I've always DJed for the love of
> it and still do...and i don't know if i'll ever lose that love..I doubt it
----
*laffs*
oakey is about as big as it gets in europe, particularly england.
i dont even know what his booking fee is...probably in 4 digits.
(and thats in pound sterling, not us dollars)
while i do not doubt his love for it, i highly doubt that he would 
spin "just for the love of it" if you ask him. club scene is pretty
political and elitistic in england...read british mags like muzik and 
you will find out.

john.dove
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> If you want mindless 
> blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno.

trance and techno both have merit; you cannot discredit one or the other
because they have different structures and sounds, and work in different
ways. to me, a good trance DJ usually smoothly blends records that
flow together in the most mind-warping way possible, but a good techno DJ
will cut certain beats, cut back + forth, tweak EQs, etc. in complex
patterns that build upon each other, which is mind-warping in another way.
i think a good analogy is that mixing trance is like chemistry because the
sounds in each record when they are combined, become a third sound that is
changed because of how they interact, and mixing techno is like
engineering because the composition is built out of discrete components
which interlock. does this make sense to anybody else? maybe i'm getting
too philosophical from this serious lack of sleep. anyway mixing trance is
harder than mixing techno because of the way the tracks build up, you have
to have good timing, most techno tracks on the other hand seem to have a
lot of room in them to play around with them. but i think if your
beatmatching gets off a little mixing trance records it's not quite a
obvious as with techno, maybe because there's more overlapping sounds. i
think that's why when i hear a slight mistake in beatmatching jungle as
long as it's corrected in time, it still sounds cool but if i hear the
same amount of mistake with techno, you can hear it right away as a
definite mistake.

> wailing "oh yeah" or something. then he proceeded to talk to his friend 
						       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> for a half hour and actually left the tables!
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
any DJ no matter who they are who does that, should be kicked off the
tables + never get to spin there again. that's like a total lack of
respect for everybody else there.

  ***** =] **** =] *** =] ** =] * !elias! * [= ** [= *** [= **** [= *****      


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funny... the whole reason i got into techno was trance... like the way it had
the smooth mixing... techno is mixed in a long trancey way, at least the stuff
i like... it has a trance feel when mixed... that is why i got into it...i
still ike trance, but stuff i have heard recently is sounding to systematic...
snare bukld up here, break down there.. tweaking zone... unfortuanately, i see
this in too many style... even outside of electronic music...

as for traxx... i wouldn't book him... nothing he has played seemed
impressive... plus rumors similar to this one have been creeping out with
continued regualrity... if i can't hang with a performer, i won't bring them
in... i want a more family atmosphere at parties, not this i just got off the
plane, take me to the hotel, i spin, give me money, give me dj hoes... leave
me alone... whatever... rockstar, it has become rock music, people go for
names... just like concerts, they odn't dacen unless there favorite is
spinning... weird... hello america, do you like rock music?

paul

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> 
> > Oh, and by the way, obviously plus8 decided not to have their party, so
> >  we got dicked. But
> >  I hear Analogue threw together a party with a pretty shitey line-up, did
> >  anyone go and how much did it cost?  I'm guessing $20 as usual?
> 
> hmmm... i seem to notice everyone slamming on analogue systems and system in
> detroit... and i was wondering why this is...
> 
> paul
> 
hmmmm, maybe because they have a reputation for being moneyhungry greedy
assholes with shitty business techniques?
oh no, who's gonna slap me with a lawsuit??


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sunny beaches
nice people
the ocean
75 degree weather
Mickey Finn
Aphrodite
Grooverider
Doc Scott
Zen Party
Ovum Records Party
Carl Craig live!!
Modulations (the movie)
sneaking into the pool area at the Fountainbleau
Mixmaster Morris
Space Girl
DJ Rap
meeting international ravers
free promos
Natural Born Chillers
seeing fellow midwesterners
Freaky Chakra
Q-Burns Abstract Message
Nico
Invisibl Skratch Piklz
watching the sun come up on the beach, listening to Terrence McKenna on
	the jam box...
swimming in the ocean, when it's 15 degrees back home
MC TC Islam
"rave" celebrities with no attitude
Tube (live drum&bass pa)
$10 parties chock full of talent
DJ Dan
Nigel Richards
realizing we are a community
contemplating the nature of the universe and humanity's future


:the:bad:stuff:::...

getting my bags stolen the first day
popular dj's who think they're rock stars
attitude, attitude, attitude
the hype surrounding Roni Size
less and less ambient/experimental electronic music
My favorite record labels that didn't make an appearance: Warp, Plus8,...
No happy hardcore
being broke now...


jason
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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, MikeyD wrote:

> Illinois State uNiversity presents
> 
> Run DMC
> and
> the SUgarhill Gang
> featuring Grandmaster Mellie Mel
> 
> tickets availabel this week sometime
> through ticketmaster
> 309-454.5500
> 
> starts at 8 pm

You lucky, lucky bastards!

ARGH!  What's wrong with my school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Seth Morth  sm3915@acs.brockport.edu
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The annual conference of the Mid-America Dance Network will be held in
Kansas City this year, October 22, 23, & 24.

Classes in Ballet, Modern, Jazz, and Tap will be offered.  They are trying
to add some classes in Ballroom and Ethnic dances this year.  There will
also be lectures on choreography, health, safety, and other topics of
interest to the professional and student dancer.

I went last year and had a great time.  If you are interested in more info,
I can help fill you in and tell you who to contact.

Thanks!





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does anybody know anything (date, city, lineup, anything) about a rave being
spun by the beasie boys?  i heard about it awhile ago and they said it was in
like march or april and i havent heard any more since then.  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.

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there is one where DJ Hurricane (the Beastie's DJ) is spinning...in
columbus OH on APril 4....i dont have exact info...but it can be found on
the hyperreal mw-rave calendar.

there is also another one with hurricane, hype (or zinc..cant
member)...and another turntablist in milwuakee area in june

-mikeD
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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Mdmsl wrote:

> does anybody know anything (date, city, lineup, anything) about a rave being
> spun by the beasie boys?  i heard about it awhile ago and they said it was in
> like march or april and i havent heard any more since then.  Any help would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 


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>there is also another one with hurricane, hype (or zinc..cant
>member)...and another turntablist in milwuakee area in june

that would be "proceed" in milwaukee...   june 6th (i think) with

ZINC
MIXMASTER MIKE (of the skratch piklz)
DJ HURRICANE "with special guests" (i'm not even gonna speculate)
and DANNY THE WILDCHILD

at least thats what was on the pre-flyer I saw.... sounds good to me

chris

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In a message dated 98-03-16 11:57:07 EST, you write:

<< This post isn't meant to bash everyone on the list, cause I know there
 are a lot of people who are true to the scene on here, but it seems every
 time someone tries to do something positive they get flamed for it. Not
 ONE post about the party we are throwing has been positive from this
 list... that is discouraging at best. If anyone wants to see more of these
 un-demanded DJ's check out the castle party:
 http://hyperreal.org/raves/mtn/castle
 
 Brian... >>

Just my opinion, but i think events are getting waaaaay too hyped up these
days.  If you want to do something positive, thats cool, but people are just
sick of all the damn hype.  I think having a party in a castle is a great
idea, and if I had any means of transportation out there, i'd like to go.
Even if the biggest name djs/rock star wannabes won't be there, it should be a
lot of fun.  A lot of people prefer going to see lesser known stars, so why
not try marketing your party as really is?

-Brett

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In a message dated 98-03-16 13:32:09 EST, cdjhion@hotmail.com writes:

<< 99% percent of house is boring too. >>


What the fuck?  I'd have to disagree, and I bet a large portion of the chicago
constituent is with me.

-Brett

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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:12:02 EST Bro Keeps <BroKeeps@aol.com> writes:

>In a message dated 98-03-16 13:32:09 EST, cdjhion@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< 99% percent of house is boring too. >>
>
>What the fuck?  I'd have to disagree, and I bet a large portion of the 
>chicago constituent is with me.
>
>-Brett
>

Well....I'd say more like 75% of all house is boring (but that's just my
opinion - just like it's Hion's opinion that 99% of it is).  As for
Chicago, I won't comment on that since I'd rather have friends than
enemies (but Numb3rs was good !).

	-Joe

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At 06:12 PM 3/16/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-03-16 13:32:09 EST, cdjhion@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< 99% percent of house is boring too. >>
>
>
>What the fuck?  I'd have to disagree, and I bet a large portion of the
chicago
>constituent is with me.
>
>-Brett
>

not just chicago :)

he said that he hopes this makes us understand trance a bit more, but
trying to paint house as "boring" or techno as "mindless blips and bleeps"
is just the wrong way to get your point across. i won't try to play this
defend my music game, but i'll just say that the only reason i don't listen
to trance all the time (as i apparently should) is that it is rather "busy"
for me, and i have to be in the right mindset or at a party.  same with
certain forms of d&b.  but that's just my opinion and i didn't say i didn't
like these forms of music.
so :P

My music is the best kind!
Chad

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>I thought Gravers where goths that hung out at raves..?

yes, please make sure we label everyone correctly.  

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joe hion wrote:

> trance is either loved or hated.  I can tell you, that when I tell
> people that I spin tance, they give me crap like, "it makes me sleepy"
> well, I agree that there is alot of boring trance out there, but then
> again, 99% percent of house is boring too.  Progressive trance is where
> its at.  Progressive meaning very well orchestrated and thickly layerd
> music with a decidely "intelligent" feel to it.  If you want mindless
> blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno.Goa/psychedelic trance has
> to be the craziest, most insane music out there.  Artist like
> Hallucinogen, Shaolin wooden men, Metal spark, and anything from TIP are
> greatly convoluted and not for the faint of heart.  People say "goa
> sounds like video game music"  but every time Dan Efex drops a goa tune
> at a party, people loose their shit.  Good labels are TIP, Matsuri (for
> you really sick fucks out there) and Twisted.  Epic, or Prgressive
> trance is the soaring, beautiful melodic trance with lots of acid and
> builds-the shit that makes you cry its so good, the shit that will cause
> orgasm whether your rollin or not.  Artist such as Terra Firma, Oliver
> Leib, and anything on Platipus or Eve are great.  Platipus and TIP re
> prolly the best lables out there.  Hope that helps people understand
> trance alittle more..
>
> now for Traxx...
>
> quite possibly the worst DJ I have ever seen.  Firts of all, I dont like
> dumpster house.  That is not to say you shouldnt, but I appreciate good
> music, and the kind of crap that traxx plays is soo damnun-inspiring ,
> it was truely garbage.  Second, I was at a party once, and saw Traxx
> throw on a crap track of house so minimal, that it consisted of nothing
> more than a never changing thump-thump beat, and a a crack smoking diva
> wailing "oh yeah" or something. then he proceeded to talk to his friend
> for a half hour and actually left the tables!  needless to say, I was
> horrified.  bad bad bad<--------HION
>
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  damn, house boring? hmm i think what i heard some dude at a party say was
right, people dont care about the music.   man...house being boring sounds
like something a headbanger or something would say, i love all techno, its
just a matter of degree, trance, is this shit, especially fast basey trance,
mixed with house.  traxx was good....now i see him on fliars as "mel" and he
spins more acid than house...i dunno, the house he spun is chicago style,
guess some people just want to hear repetitive highpitched sounds with a
"bump" every other beat...not to get insulting or anything... :)


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When I said that "if you want blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit 
techno" I wasnt saying that it wasn't good music.  I also said that 99% 
of house truley sucks-and it does-for me.  I would *never* slight one 
form of music over another, because we all are entiteled to our own 
likes and dislikes.  That is what makes us all diferant and special.  
And besides, bad techno is still better than cheeze rock!<------HION

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At 04:55 PM 3/16/98 EST, you wrote:
>does anybody know anything (date, city, lineup, anything) about a rave being
>spun by the beasie boys?  i heard about it awhile ago and they said it was in
>like march or april and i havent heard any more since then.  Any help
would be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>

yeah it's in Pittsburgh..I was surfin the web last night and found it..it
has the info line and everything...I can't remember the address but i'll
get back to you on it..


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Thanks to PURE for throwing a wicked party.  Excellent space.  Sound was
nice and loud.  Lights were amazing, I couldn't believe there were
actually rigs!  Super-duper visuals too, added a nice touch to the space.

The music was as good as I've heard in a very very very....loooong time.
I couldn't possibly review/compare/contrast the last three DJs.  But I
think I dug Darren Price the most. deep, deep, deep.

wow, there was something about this party.  I can't verbalize it too much.
Felt like something I went to years ago. I got lost in the music.  hell, i
couldn't even tell where the breaks in between Gayle, Darren, and Dimitri
were.

I'm glad Amber was able to come up from KC and experience her first
Chicago warehouse party.  I'm with Dica on this one, friendliest break
circle I've ever seen. Thanks to everyone who was there and brought a
good vibe to this rave. I truly hope this event can be used as an example
for future productions. NUMB#RS had style, class, talent, and vibe.  

	rave on,
		toastman



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At 04:55 PM 3/16/98 EST, you wrote:
>does anybody know anything (date, city, lineup, anything) about a rave being
>spun by the beasie boys?  i heard about it awhile ago and they said it was in
>like march or april and i havent heard any more since then.  Any help
would be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>
here you go.....it will tell you the whole line up

http://members.wbs.net/homepages/g/e/t/gettobootybattle.html


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YOU're not rokkin unless you're listening to DOKKEN!!!!!!!!!!

ahhhhh
almost spring break, wasting bandwidth freely!

peace

Doug dabajja

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it takes about 5.5-6 hours...
if you take 65south then get on 70east to columbus. :)
xoox
animal

Dan wrote:
> 
>         I had an e-flier for a party that looked really good this weekend
> in columbus....but I deleted it...(opps)....could some one send it to me
> again, or at least the info line number.
> 
> does anyone know how long it is from chicago to columbus....I have never
> done it but I want to say 5 hours...
> 
> -dan

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After a not-so brief absence the bEANers are back to wreak havoc on the
world! Many apologies to everyone about the lack of new 'zines in the
past 10 months but we will be doing a VERY limited old skool xerox run
of "The lost issue no. 9" this weekend. It features interviews with Dj
Zinc, Mc Rage, Dan Efex, and Madkid to name a few. Most of the material
is from this past summer but it is still informative. We hope to be back
in full swing by Furthur (if there is going to be one!). For those
wishing to contact us, please note the new email address.

                                            Martin bEAN

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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Runs with scissors wrote:

> > Illinois State uNiversity presents
> > 
> > Run DMC
> > and
> > the SUgarhill Gang
> > featuring Grandmaster Mellie Mel
> 
> You lucky, lucky bastards!
> 
> ARGH!  What's wrong with my school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hey, here in lawrence, vanilla ice sold out not ONE but TWO shows. 

and my friend angi grabbed his ass. 

on a slightly related note -- the student union threw a 'techno show' and
brought in a bunch of kickass dj's. and only about 100 people showed. lost
much dough because it was on a MONDAY NIGHT DURING FINALS WEEK. 

anyway. 

peace,
andrew


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Woah!

99 Red Balloons is on my tape!!! It's the last song on Side B :-)

And yes, a lot of my tracks are Alphamejestic records, but thats because 
they all rock (well, most of 'dem do :-))

-Craig

>Sounds good...but all dem Alphamajestic rekkids!! Hooooohaaaa!!!!  Oh 
yeah!!!
>MMMMmmmmmgood!!! What?? No 99 Red Balloons?? 
>
>Phil
>


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In a message dated 98-03-16 15:50:53 EST, you write:

<< 
 as for traxx... i wouldn't book him... nothing he has played seemed
 impressive... plus rumors similar to this one have been creeping out with
 continued regualrity... if i can't hang with a performer, i won't bring them
 in... i want a more family atmosphere at parties, not this i just got off the
 plane, take me to the hotel, i spin, give me money, give me dj hoes... leave
 me alone... whatever... rockstar, it has become rock music, people go for
 names... just like concerts, they odn't dacen unless there favorite is
 spinning... weird... hello america, do you like rock music?
 
 paul >>


yeah!! when traxx was here a little while ago, he was ok, But after Neil
landstrumm all the DJ's sounded like shit!! :)  Traxx's tracks were, um,
whatever,rather ho hum, he was doing some neat tricks, which was fun and
interesting to watch, but me and my attention span got bored.  I don;t know
about his personality, but the kind of dj's i would want at my parties are the
same as the kind of people/ravers i want at my party.  

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In a message dated 98-03-16 18:13:22 EST, you write:

<< 
 What the fuck?  I'd have to disagree, and I bet a large portion of the
chicago
 constituent is with me.
 
 -Brett
  >>


99% of house is boring!!! :)  

90% of all other forms of techno is boring too.  
i am 100% picky
i love trance but i still think 99.232343% of the trance coming out now is
crap i ate for dinner then shat out my ass.  

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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, martin manry wrote:

> After a not-so brief absence the bEANers are back to wreak havoc on the
> world! Many apologies to everyone about the lack of new 'zines in the

absolutely wick-ed...welcome back bEANers...you've been severely missed.
it's nice to see one of the better things about the chicago rave scene
return...

you guys rock,
matt


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>absolutely wick-ed...welcome back bEANers...you've been severely missed.
>it's nice to see one of the better things about the chicago rave scene
>return...

yeah I agree....  bEAN is about as cool as zines get!  here's hoping for
more pornographic cartoons!

btw, how can I get a super-underground issue if i can't get one this weekend?

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> btw, how can I get a super-underground issue if i can't get one this weekend?

I guess I should have mentioned that Brenda is mailing out 'zines to
most of our friends here at mw raves. Just to be sure send your mailing
address to her at this email addy, and wish her a happy birthday too,
she's 23 today (the 17th) :)

                                      Rev. bEAN

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Hey, is there anyway I can get on a mailing list if I live outside of Chicago,
I've read the zine and I really like it but it'll be hard to get if I have to
go to ohio every issue....
**PLUR**
DL

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Sol presents:
Spring

Friday, March 20
Detroit

DJ ESP/Woody McBride tag teaming with DJ Hyperactive
Aux 88 live pa wiht guest DJ Digital
Juan Atkins
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1.888.sol.beat
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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:39:41 EST BDisco123 <BDisco123@aol.com> writes:

>yeah!! when traxx was here a little while ago, he was ok, But after 
>Neil landstrumm all the DJ's sounded like shit!! :)  Traxx's tracks
were, 
>um, whatever,rather ho hum, he was doing some neat tricks, which was fun

>and interesting to watch, but me and my attention span got bored.  I
don;t 
>know about his personality, but the kind of dj's i would want at my
parties 
>are the same as the kind of people/ravers i want at my party.  


to the contrary...i thought his set in toronto was one of the best damn
dj sets i've seen in a long time.  unlike a lot of techno djs, traxx
incorporates a lot of tracky chicago house (relief/dancemania stuff, etc)
into his sets to give it a more funky feeling rather than 2 hours of just
looped techno.  too many djs these days are seriously devoid of any funk
whatsoever and think that they can get away with just playing 50 jeff
mills and 50 adam beyer records.  

mel is truly sincere about the music and is a really good person.  before
blasting him on the list, maybe one should take the time and get to know
him rather than making speculative judgements based on secondhand info
from other people. 

he is going to be playing here in kalamazoo in the next few months and i
feel honored to have him at our party. 

waiting for trevor lamont and ed luna to add their $.02 to this!! :) :)

aaron bennett
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halfway between detroit and chicago....

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In a message dated 98-03-17 01:29:55 EST, you write:

<< 
 to the contrary...i thought his set in toronto was one of the best damn
 dj sets i've seen in a long time.  unlike a lot of techno djs, traxx
 incorporates a lot of tracky chicago house (relief/dancemania stuff, etc)
 into his sets to give it a more funky feeling rather than 2 hours of just
 looped techno.  too many djs these days are seriously devoid of any funk
 whatsoever and think that they can get away with just playing 50 jeff
 mills and 50 adam beyer records.  >>


haha, i agree fully and complelty with the last sentence. :)  although i still
think is music was boring.  i think most music is boring. 

<<mel is truly sincere about the music and is a really good person.  before
blasting him on the list, maybe one should take the time and get to know
him rather than making speculative judgements based on secondhand info
from other people. 
>>

I made no judgement about his personality!  

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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> > If you want mindless 
> > blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno.
> 
> i think a good analogy is that mixing trance is like chemistry because the
> sounds in each record when they are combined, become a third sound that is
> changed because of how they interact, and mixing techno is like
> engineering because the composition is built out of discrete components
> which interlock. does this make sense to anybody else? maybe i'm getting
> too philosophical from this serious lack of sleep. anyway mixing trance is
> harder than mixing techno because of the way the tracks build up, you have
> to have good timing, most techno tracks on the other hand seem to have a
> lot of room in them to play around with them. but i think if your
> beatmatching gets off a little mixing trance records it's not quite a
> obvious as with techno, maybe because there's more overlapping sounds. i
> think that's why when i hear a slight mistake in beatmatching jungle as
> long as it's corrected in time, it still sounds cool but if i hear the
> same amount of mistake with techno, you can hear it right away as a
> definite mistake.

	Trance is all tight blends, track selection/placement, and
timeing.
	Techno, or tracky material(bleeps and blops..:D) has alot to do
with quick beat matching, and tricks. although some tracks I will hold
long mixes on cause the tracks were ment ot be together. 
	Alot of people do not understand techno/minimal cause its not
presented in the correct manner. I saw a dj recently who would play out
the entire track, mixing the last 5 bars of the record. He killed the
floor. Fortunatly  Perry Eliis was rocking it in the other room. 
	I havent heard a proper trance dj play out in 2 years..:C Theres
not much trance here in Kansas...

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This thread is for the cheeseballs like myself out there who go to parties
for the vibe, not just the music, drugs, etc.

Here's one of my favorite memories of why parties are so special:
When I was in Cleveland for G-Spot, I was standing by myself in the middle
of the dance floor for a while, while my boyfriend went to get water or
something.  I didn't really know anyone there, so I was kindof bobbing and
looking around when this girl walked by and handed my sweettarts in a cool
wrapper wiht a smiley face.  Coming from Detroit, where that kind of thing
sadly almost never happens, I just stared at it for a second, then started
grinning and gave the girl a big hug.  That girl in particular, along with
the other nice kids I met there, flavored Cleveland in a wonderful way for
me, and I can't wait to go back there. Something as simple as giving a
piece or candy or even a smile to a stranger has a wonderful effect. 

So that's it, if people want to share their favorite vibe stories, I'm
interested to see what people have to say.

Becky


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In a message dated 98-03-17 02:04:41 EST, you write:

<< Trance is all tight blends, track selection/placement, and
 timeing.
 	Techno, or tracky material(bleeps and blops..:D) has alot to do
 with quick beat matching, and tricks. although some tracks I will hold
 long mixes on cause the tracks were ment ot be together. 
 	Alot of people do not understand techno/minimal cause its not
 presented in the correct manner. I saw a dj recently who would play out
 the entire track, mixing the last 5 bars of the record. He killed the
 floor. >>

there is nothing in the world i hate more than techno dj's that mix like this.
Thats why i don't listen to much techno almost all techno dj's i've heard mix
it like its trance or something, or like they can;t mix or they are play safe
sissy's, plus i like really hard abrasive ear bleeding techno and all im
hearing around toronto is groovy techno and soft techno (is that even a
genre?)  and blip blop. fuk Neil Landstrumm was such a relief.  
Don't kill me for saying this, but i have a T-1000 CD and it sux fat ass!!!
All it is is track into track mixing, and everysingle track is off his label.
im hoping its just cause he meant the CD to promote his tracks, cause if this
is what people are calling a good techno dj, i want out!!!!  i have yet to see
him in person, but people keep telling me i would love him.

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"I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the
   final word in reality." --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 

love
josh

Free Tibet!
http://www.tibet.org
http://www.milarepa.org

My site:
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>This thread is for the cheeseballs like myself out there who go to 
parties
>for the vibe, not just the music, drugs, etc.

I go to parties for the music, and the vibe is like the frosting on the 
cake for me :-)

>So that's it, if people want to share their favorite vibe stories, I'm
>interested to see what people have to say.

IF YOU WANT VIBE, GO TO A HULABALOO PARTY IN TORONTO... next one is 
APRIL 25th!!!!

>Becky

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"Attack the dancefloor like a bulldozer...
 those who came to stand MOVE OVER!!!" --MC Sharkey

craig.spree.xotis

>
>"I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the
>   final word in reality." --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 
>
>love
>josh
>
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>http://www.tibet.org
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>
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not to beat a dead horse, but i finally met the guy on saturday night at
numbers...  the part that's weird is i finally made the connection
that i used to know the guy 6 or 7 years ago in ithaca, ny.  to
briefly explain ithaca, the population of the town doubles when
school's in session, and it's 4 long hours away from nyc, out in the
middle of the finger lakes region of new york state.  ever since
i've known wilhelm he has been a promoter, and ever since i've known him
he has been in trouble, not always in a legal sense, but more often in the
sense that someone always seemed to have a bone to pick with him.  he used
to be an industrial/goth dj with a pretty big record/cd collection and a
penchant for being homeless and penniless.  but when it came time to
organize an industrial party, somehow he was always able to pull through.
he seldom charged for the ones he helped throw on cornell campus, and he
was always struggling for a night down in one of the clubs in downtown
ithaca.  he was constantly at odds with the club-owners, and was hired and
fired more times than i could count during the 3 years i knew him there.
he started to make the switch to pop techno and house in '93, b/c
he was broke and he could get house pretty easily on promo directly from
labels.  he helped to throw the first rave parties in ithaca, although he
tried to turn the event into a weekly, which failed miserably.  i will say
that back in fall '93 he was the first person who let me spin out at a
party...  i wont discuss my set, b/c uhh i just wont.  :P

anyway he was always the type of guy whom i wanted to see succeed, but
wished he'd do it in a more 'legitimate' manner.  believe me,
throwing parties in ithaca was pretty thankless.  regardless of the fact
that he's got a somewhat bad reputation in the midwest, i was glad to see
that he has actually survived the years of not having an income to speak
of and crashing on people's couches.  the only thing i cant believe is
that he switched from industrial to house.  yikes.

-dave


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that's cool and all, but i think that current actions outweigh those of a=20
distant past.

- thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
- http://www.lotek.org/~lion
- lotek, dronetek, acid, hunter, lpl=09



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In a message dated 98-03-17 08:33:24 EST, you write:

> >YOU're not rokkin unless you're listening to DOKKEN!!!!!!!!!!
>  >
>  >ahhhhh
>  >almost spring break, wasting bandwidth freely!
>  >
>  >peace
>  >
>  >Doug dabajja
>  >
>  No way....DEO IS THE SHIT!!!!! :)
>  

Ummm    hello, it's DIO not DEO come on now and you call yourself punk, heh
ok, time for school
peace

Doug dabajja

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Some friends and I are looking for DJs in the Flint, Michigan area and
the surrouding areas to get together and possibly throw an even here in
Flint, Michigan.  Please write back if you are interested in joining us!

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i would like to point out that yew didn't say 

' if you want blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno'

but in fact you sayd

'If you want mindless blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno."

but anyway, it is not a good idea to dis other people's favorite
types of music in order to make your favorite type of music more
appealing.

as for mindless blips and bleeps, there are also the evil mechanical
sounds. i dunno... last time i saw dj hostile spin  i swear
it sounded just like detroit sounds AND looks... detroit is kinda cool
its pretty representative of urban decay... strange things come from
detroit, mindless blips & beeps, acid rain, cars, greenhouse gases
etc etc etc... 

At 04:59 PM 3/16/98 -0800, joe hion wrote:
>When I said that "if you want blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit 
>techno" I wasnt saying that it wasn't good music.  I also said that 99% 
>of house truley sucks-and it does-for me.  I would *never* slight one 
>form of music over another, because we all are entiteled to our own 
>likes and dislikes.  That is what makes us all diferant and special.  
>And besides, bad techno is still better than cheeze rock!<------HION
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In a message dated 98-03-17 02:08:26 EST, you write:

>  So that's it, if people want to share their favorite vibe stories, I'm
>  interested to see what people have to say.

OF COURSE!!  i totally forgot about this story 'til this thread popped up...

May of '97... travelled w/ a few friends to Chicago from Detroit (this was
before i moved to Chi)... first party we went to that weekend was Insight.

well, two of my friends go into the party and me and the two other people
decide to hang back in the car for a little while, smoke a little, then go in.

a few minutes go by and bad shit starts happening.  this group of about 7 or 8
guys (they were most certainly NOT part of the party) see my friends, two very
attractive females, in the front seat of the car, come up, open up the car
doors, and basically keep harassing everyone, showing the girls their drugs
and money and all that, and we're all kind of freaking out going "how're we
going to get out of here" 'cuz the car was surrounded.

all this is happening in the far back corner of a parking lot around the
corner from the venue, out of sight from the front door, but somehow a
security guy saw the group of guys who weren't a part of the party and he and
some other people chased 'em out before anything happened. 

then he comes up to the car and is like "if you guys wanna smoke yer herb,
that's cool, but we don't want it inside" and then they escorted us in safe
and sound and we're really cool about everything.

being at a party where the promoters and the security stick their necks out to
make sure the kids are safe even when it's not on the actual grounds of the
party - that makes for one of the thickest coziest vibes i've ever felt - and
i think everyone else at the party reflected the same good feelings.


cheers
Blue

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not really midwest related. but definitely of interest to peeps willin'
to travel for possibley one of the biggest parties of 98,
Universe98(formally known as tribal gathering) here's the info i thought
you guys might find interesting....

-----------------------------------------
Universe ’98.

               LICENCE GRANTED!

               Saturday 23rd / Sunday 24th May 1998
               Knebworth Park, Herts

               Saturday - Midday - 6:00am
               Sunday - Midday - 11:00pm

Celebrating 10 years of dance culture, now prepare for 2 days that will
change your life forever... with 9 music arenas including an outdoor
stage with over 50 live acts and 100 DJ's.

Plus entertainment in the parallel Universe, Comedy, Conspiracy Circus
an array of other entertainment including Holsten Pure Thrills

Main Stage-Universe.
Saturday23rd.
          SOFASURFERS
                                       PILLS
                                       ALAN CHAMBERLAIN
                                       RED SNAPPER
                                       DJ Q
                                       FLUKE
                                       SASHA
                                       BENTLEY RHYTHM ACE
                                       ALEX REECE
                                       RONI SIZE REPRAZENT
                                       DEEP DISH
                                       PAUL VAN DYK
                                       TONY DE VIT
Sunday24th.
     MAT CARTER
                   THE DREEM TEAM
                   DOUBLE 99
                   DIMITRI FROM PARIS
                   DJ J SAUL KANE
                   DJ CAM
                   TRICKY
                   JAMES LAVELLE
Saturn.
Saturday23rd.
                MIXMAG DJ COMPETITION WINNER
                               DERRICK CARTER
                               16B
                               PAUL OAKENFOLD
                               DANNY RAMPLING
                               DJ SNEAK
                               (1st LIVE PERFORMANCE)
                               WESTWOOD
                               KOOL KEITH
                               BASEMENT JAXX
                               PETE TONG
                               CARL COX
Sunday24th
                          HARDKNOX
                          INDIAN ROPEMAN
                          DEREK DAHLARGE
                          AKASHA
                          MIDFIELD GENERAL
                          DIRTY BEATNIKS
                          CUT LA ROC
                          LES RHYTHM DIGITALES
                          DJ TOUCHE
                          LO-FI ALLSTARS
                          JON CARTER
                          BENTLEY RHYTHM ACE
                          FAT BOY SLIM
Neptune.
Saturday23rd.
DJ FACE
DAVE GARRARD
BOOM BOOM
SATELITES
GILLES PETERSON
MOBY
JAMES LAVELLE
SPIRITUALIZED
DJ ASSAULT
HEADRILLAZ
HOWIE B
JON CARTER
Sunday24th.
 FELINE
                NEXT WAVE OF JAZZ
                KENNY KEN
                RANDALL
                DJ RAP
                CORE
                HYPE
                MICKEY FINN
                FABIO
                GROOVERIDER
             MC’s:
                JOE PENG
                MOOSE
                STEVIE HYPER D
Earth.
Saturday 23rd.
                                OFFSIDE
                                SIMON SHUREY
                                BOB JONES
                                MONKEY MAFIA
                                FREDDY FRESH
                                FAITHLESS
                                PSYCHONAUTS
                                BLACK GRAPE


Sunday 24th.
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           AMAMPONDO
           EARL GATESHEAD
           AUTECHRE
           DEL'AGUA
           GENASIDE 11
           ADAM FREELAND
           RAKIM
           GILLES PETERSON
           BECK(EXCLUSIVE UK PERFORMANCE )
SUN
Saturday 23rd.
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                                        TEMPERATURE DROP
                                        JULIAN LIBERATOR
                                        HALO
                                        CHRIS LIBERATOR
                                        JOUJOUKA
                                        STEVE JOHNSON
                                        ALIEN
                                        SID SHANTI
                                        X - DREAM
                                        MIKE MAGUIRE
                                        KOXBOX
                                        TSUYOSHI SUZUKI
Sunday 24th.
                DJ HAZE
                NUW IDOL
                DJ DENIRO
                X - CABS
                MARK SINCLAIR
                QUIRK
                MARK ALLEN
                MEDICINE DRUM
                MARK ALLEN
                DRAGONFLY COLLECT
                TIN TIN
                HALLUCINOGEN
MARS
Saturday23rd.
                           MIKE HUCKABY
                           MIKE CLARK
                           DJ BONE
                           ROBERT HOOD
                           STACEY PULLEN
                           MODEL 500
            DJ ROLANDO
                           PLASTIKMAN
                           JAY DENHAM
                           JEFF MILLS




Sunday.24th.
                MARSHALL JEFFERSON
                L.A. WILLIAMS
                DJ SNEAK & DOC MARTIN
                R SOLUTION featuring...
                   4 HERO
                   DEGO
                   KIRK DI GIORGIO
                   STRETCH
JUPITAR
Saturday 23rd.
                        BILLY BUNTER
                        SHARKEY
                        BRISK
                        SPINBACK
                        DJ STOMPY
                        MARK SMITH
                        SCOTT BROWN
                        VIBES
                        DJ CLARKEE
                        SEDUCTION
                        FORCE & STYLES
                        SCORPIO & PRODUCER
                        ESSENTIAL PLATINUM
                        DOUGAL & HIXXY
                        SLIPMATT
                        BUNJY
                        DJ SY
MC's: JOE PENG, RUDE, MAGIKA & STIXMAN, CHARLIE B
Sunday 24th.
                            DHOL FOUNDATION
                            MOONPUP & DIAMONDFINGER
                            DUB PISTOLS
                            JOI
                            STATE OF BENGAL
                            EARTHTRIBE
                            DJ EMMA
                            JACK
                            SIMON DK
                            DIGS & WOOSH
MOON
Saturday23rd.
                   MAT CARTER
                   JON COOKE
                   JAMES RUSKIN
                   FRANK DE WULF
                   FUNK D'VOID
                   DJ HELL
                   STEVE STOLL
                   SURGEON
                   LUKE SLATER
                   GAYLE SAN
                   DAVE CLARKE


Sunday 24th.
                           MARK DALE
                           AIR LIQUIDE
                           TREVOR ROCKCLIFFE
                           THE ADVENT
                           SVEN VÄTH
                           LAURENT GARNIER
                           JOEY BELTRAM
                           BILLY NASTY
                           CARL COX
MERCURY
Saturday23rd.
                        STEVE MILLAR
                        CONSPIRACY
                        PUSSY FOOT / NAKED FUNK
                        SPACER / MIKE BENSON / PAM HOGG
                        JAKE MILLAR
                        STEVE MILLAR
                        CONSPIRACY
                        MATTHEW HAWTIN & CLARK WARNER
Sunday24th.
    MARTIN REILLY
                  STEVE MILLAR
                  MATTHEW HAWTIN & CLARK WARNER
                  PLAID
                  CONSPIRACY
                  STEVE MILLAR
                  MARTIN REILLY
Uranus
Full lineup to be announced. Comedy Tent.

Tickets.
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                       TICKETMASTER: 0990 344 4444
                       Tickets will also be available from all branches
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                       26th February between 6pm and 7pm featuring DJs
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POST ON NEWSGROUPS!

     Subject: U.S. 1998 ??
     Sent by Van on 04 March, 1998 at 23:28:32:

     So, it seems as if Ian is the man with the answers on this
topic...is there any plans to bring U98 (or something simillar) to the
U.S. in the future ? - I'm fully confident that it would be a HUGE
sucess in a city such as San Fran., where we have a big ex-European
community and a really big club/rave base....anyway thks., for the
info., in advance, and i'm really jealous that all you b@#tards get to
go to U98 !!!
     Vanessa
     :P


     Reply: U.S. 1998 ??
     Sent by Ian@UNIVERSE on 05 March, 1998 at 09:47:01:

     In Reply to: U.S. 1998 ?? Sent by Van on 04 March, 1998 at
23:28:32:

     We are looking to put on two events this year in the U.S, hopefully
around August. The two sites will on the east and west coast. One near
San Fran and one between Chicago and Detroit.



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> >  So that's it, if people want to share their favorite vibe stories, I'm
> >  interested to see what people have to say.
> 
> OF COURSE!!  i totally forgot about this story 'til this thread popped up...
> being at a party where the promoters and the security stick their necks out to
> make sure the kids are safe even when it's not on the actual grounds of the
> party - that makes for one of the thickest coziest vibes i've ever felt - and
> i think everyone else at the party reflected the same good feelings.

i have a similar story of people being *SUPER* friendly and vibey

in april of 96 i was headed to Bassrush the midwest rush in louisville...i
left on friday to meet one of my friends in bloomington, IL (i was comign
form Milwuakee) and then we were going to drive on saturday morning to
hang in louisville all day.

i make it past hcicago  going south to bloomington..then my car tire got a
flat....   pulled off to the side of the road and tried to change it but
the nuts were rusted on.  :(   boo!    i decided since i was literally in
the middle of nowhere..on the interstate and knew NO ONE for at least a
100 miles  ill just walk there (*duh*)   i started out on I-55 south from
just south of joiliet IL and luckily i grabbed my rian coat....cuz it
started raining and raingin and hailing and getting windy..a couple of
peopel picked me up (i didnt have the "hitchiker stance" going..just
walking along in teh pouring rain)...then this really nice guy form
champaign (i have yet to run itno him...but if i do..he gets a massive
hug) picked me up and was going to give me a ride to the road where he got
off..which was like 50 miles down the road...cool...    

so we started going..then the rain and hail and wind got so bad we had to
stop underneath an overpass ....then we saw a tornado...   it wasnt too
far away..about 2 miles...   ive seen them before...and knew i was pretty
safe under an overpass...    then the hail and rain slowed and we drove
off...  he came to his exit and was like "i cant let you walk the rest of
the way to bloomington...ill jsut drive you there..its only 15 minutes out
of the way"   so he drove me to my friend's house ...

he's jsut this super nice airline pilot who lives in champaign...hopefully
ill run itno him sometime... i have a picture so i remember his face. plus
i know he has two kids  =)    who like computers...

now i feel all *mooshY**gentle* on the inside  =)

anyways thats just a random story i have from my days of going to raves...

btw i ended up making it to bassrush  had a kickass time...introduced a
friend to his first "big" rave...and met WAY many people (inclduing gage,
j-sun, kate, and gill and many more)   and on the way back...my car was
fixed when i got back...  =)

-mikeyD
Rural.AmeriKa
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Check out the techno on the internet at RadioValve... I have been telling
you folks about this site for a while, but needed to clarify since my
friends working on this site are involved in a dispute over their domain
name... Be sure to check out:

http://www.radiovalve.net

NOT "radiovalve.com", as it's not "the real thing".

Anyone interested in getting material up on this site (mixes or original
tracks), please e-mail me privately and we'll make it happen. :)

Peace,
 m

Some places where you may find me...
	vrave (hyperreal.org:7283)
	ICQ# 6627170
	http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/5623



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When I went to college up in Big Rapids, Michigan (very small town) at
Ferris State the people in my dorm said I always played 'that
washing-machine music'.  But they liked it!  :)

Different people -- different views.  Beeps and blips are cool with me. 
Take almost any song today and remove the vocals -- youll find a repating
beat in the background.  Like Janet Jackson -- he stuff now sounds like
house with lots of vocals if you ask me...

--Dustin


On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:50:08 -0500 dehumanizer <dehuman@lotek.org>
writes:
>i would like to point out that yew didn't say 
>
>' if you want blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno'
>
>but in fact you sayd
>
>'If you want mindless blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno."
>
>but anyway, it is not a good idea to dis other people's favorite
>types of music in order to make your favorite type of music more
>appealing.
>
>as for mindless blips and bleeps, there are also the evil mechanical
>sounds. i dunno... last time i saw dj hostile spin  i swear
>it sounded just like detroit sounds AND looks... detroit is kinda cool
>its pretty representative of urban decay... strange things come from
>detroit, mindless blips & beeps, acid rain, cars, greenhouse gases
>etc etc etc... 
>
>At 04:59 PM 3/16/98 -0800, joe hion wrote:
>>When I said that "if you want blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit 
>>techno" I wasnt saying that it wasn't good music.  I also said that 
>99% 
>>of house truley sucks-and it does-for me.  I would *never* slight one 
>
>>form of music over another, because we all are entiteled to our own 
>>likes and dislikes.  That is what makes us all diferant and special.  
>
>>And besides, bad techno is still better than cheeze rock!<------HION
>>
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keep in mind, the trouble with these festivals is there is no concievible
way to see more than an 1/8th of the acts you want to.

=exit=
-adam-


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I was just wondering.....

anyone know anything about further this year?  I was just curious i
guess.

--alan

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On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, BDisco123 wrote:

> Don't kill me for saying this, but i have a T-1000 CD and it sux fat ass!!!
> All it is is track into track mixing, and everysingle track is off his label.
> im hoping its just cause he meant the CD to promote his tracks, cause if this
> is what people are calling a good techno dj, i want out!!!!  i have yet to see
> him in person, but people keep telling me i would love him.

i don't know where you are, but someone's bringing him to nebraska
[omaha?] may 9th. needless to say, some of us are quite there. =)

peace,
andrew


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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, . xotis . wrote:

> IF YOU WANT VIBE, GO TO A HULABALOO PARTY IN TORONTO... next one is 
> APRIL 25th!!!!

okay, speaking of this... i was talking to some people about the possible
caravan up there from either champaign or chicago, and i was wondering if
anyone was still going... i would absolutely love to go. =P

peace,
andrew


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On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:53:20 EST BDisco123 <BDisco123@aol.com> writes in
the thread about traxx:

>I made no judgement about his personality!  


your right.  i was responding to the other posts regarding this and i
thought i would address that in the same post as his toronto performance.

sorry for the mixup!! :) :)

aaron bennett
black nation records: kalamazoo, michigan
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halfway between detroit and chicago....



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my chip of copper:

I saw/heard T-1000 down in Austin (I think) about 2 years back.  He
wasn't bad at all.  The crowd got movin & groovin, and the mixing &
track selection were quite good.  Mind you, it wasn't spectacular, but
it wasn't bad.  
              ___
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                 ||        Angel O:)

> ----------
> From: 	BDisco123[SMTP:BDisco123@aol.com]
> Sent: 	 March 17, 1998 1:17AM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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> 
> i have yet to see
> him in person, but people keep telling me i would love him.
> 

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> ----------
> From: 	e-nid[SMTP:crash@MNSi.Net]
> Sent: 	 March 17, 1998 10:56AM
> To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: 	Universe98 line-up. 
> 
> Universe 98.
> 
>                Saturday 23rd / Sunday 24th May 1998
>                Knebworth Park, Herts
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I have a question:  Where is this; as in, Country, State, City,
Continent??

Angel O:)



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> > IF YOU WANT VIBE, GO TO A HULABALOO PARTY IN TORONTO... next one is 
> > APRIL 25th!!!!
> 
> okay, speaking of this... i was talking to some people about the possible
> caravan up there from either champaign or chicago, and i was wondering if
> anyone was still going... i would absolutely love to go. =P


WOOHOO!!!!!!     i KNOW i will be there.....    i am intending on
caravaning somehow from champaign up there....  its just a matter of when
we want to leave....   there is that *nifty* party the nite before in
chicago featuring  Huggie (from LA..trance), Thomas Michael (trance
legend form LA), mystic bill&aura, matt michaels, snuggle.bunny Arlan ,
spank,  MATT POSITIVE!!! (matt + fan.club in full effect??????), Vijay,
ryan miller and a few others...       but the problem with this  is that
its like a f0rking 13 hour drive there..and if we leave at like 6 am..then
we get there at like 8 pm (time zxone difference????)    and that will
*suck*    

anyways  somehow...somway   i will be there...as will a few others from
champbana  ...  as for the chi peeps   i dont know yet...    write me back
and we cna arrange something..get a mailer of sorts going   =)   phil..you
goin...and matt+   you MUST go  =)   

im super dupr ready for this one  =)

-mikeyD


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On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> > ----------
> > From: 	e-nid[SMTP:crash@MNSi.Net]
> > Sent: 	 March 17, 1998 10:56AM
> > To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: 	Universe98 line-up. 
> > 
> > Universe 98.
> > 
> >                Saturday 23rd / Sunday 24th May 1998
> >                Knebworth Park, Herts
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I have a question:  Where is this; as in, Country, State, City,
> Continent??

The UK.

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At 12:59 PM -0600 3/17/98, Oberle, Michelle wrote:
>I saw/heard T-1000 down in Austin (I think) about 2 years back.  He
>wasn't bad at all.  The crowd got movin & groovin, and the mixing &
>track selection were quite good.  Mind you, it wasn't spectacular, but
>it wasn't bad.

I just saw Alan (T-1000) in Detroit about 3 months ago. He was spinning
hard minimal techno, excellant track selection and damn-near flawless
mixing. In fact, over the last 3 years, I think I have caught T-1000 five
times and each was a very special treat.

BTW, anyone know how to get a hold of him?  I am thinking about pulling him
into Denver for a party here.... Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

Peace out,
 m

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> > Universe 98.
> >
> >                Saturday 23rd / Sunday 24th May 1998
> >                Knebworth Park, Herts
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I have a question:  Where is this; as in, Country, State, City,
> Continent??
>
> Angel O:)


sorry. thought everyone knew about tribal gathering and what not...this
is held in europe. somewhere in the UK. not totally sure about where
knebworth park, herts is though....

mikey..


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Thank you all for answering my question about the location of this
event.  I'm familiar w/ the Tribal Gatherings, I guess I just forgot
where they were held.  That, and I was hoping maybe it was somewhere on
our own continent ;)

Angel O:)

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>>I had a great time at Numb on Saturday night.  It's been
>>a long time since I've been to a house party, and this was
>>a great one.  Just about everything I've gone to in Champaign, Ill
>>has been really good.
>>
>>If you ever want to go to a good house party, just wait for the next
one
>>going on in Champaign/Urbana Ill.  They've consistantly been grade-A.
>>
>>---ben / Cylert

i have to second this... 
the 709 kids know how to throw the
serious house party action.... much
bass, smiling faces, tons o kidz, 
and general all-out pure fun... you
just don't see enough of this anymore...

i've been getting a better bass
fix down in champaign/urbana
than in mpls... which really sez
a lot... congrats to all you kats for
working so hard and having fun
at the same time... who knows what
would happen if everyone had the
same amount of energy and enthusiasm
as you all do.... it would work wonders.

i fear yet another road trip with the 
infamous zoikz! axtion up and coming...

hullo's to mikey, peter, tom, ryan miller, 
ben page, angela, the 709 urbana massif, 
jes, doris woo, christopher, and all
the other coolies i've met in the past few
weeks...   you guys really inspire me.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 17 22:00:13 1998
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> i would like to point out that yew didn't say 
> 
> ' if you want blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno'
>
> but in fact you sayd
>
> 'If you want mindless blips and bleeps, go listen to detroit techno."
>
> but anyway, it is not a good idea to dis other people's favorite
> types of music in order to make your favorite type of music more
> appealing.

exactly, thanks for clarifying that, since i couldn't in my almost-3-days-
with-no-sleep-state. that's what i was trying to say, and why i took great
offense to the statement. techno is by no means mindless but those types
of DJs mentioned earlier who mix records thru the 1st + last 8 measures
only + do no tricks, EQing, etc. are pretty close to that. techno records
are a lot more like tools or raw materials, than songs, and a proper
techno DJ knows how to use them + build something out of them.

  ***** =] **** =] *** =] ** =] * !elias! * [= ** [= *** [= **** [= *****


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Who does the james bond theme jungle remix track with the sample "Do you
expect me to talk?"  "NO, Mr Bond, i expect you to die!"?  I heard it on
Strictly Jungle 89.3 with Snuggles last week.  somehow i'm hooked on it.  


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Naveen Gumpeni/Fingaz
M+URPL people eater
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Music is our salvation, a common love we all share.
The rhythm unites our hearts and souls as one.
Together, we create a positive vibe for each other,
a gift greater than words could express...
	It is not just a passing feeling.
	More than just a party,
	It's being real...it's being human.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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> >  So that's it, if people want to share their favorite vibe stories, I'm
> >  interested to see what people have to say.

hey that post about the flat tire reminded me of my story about how i went
to natural (which was all weekend at the end of sept in 96). in case you
don't know, i have been known to do really crazy things once in a while.
all my ride possibilities had fallen through by about 5pm (the party 
started at noon). so i figured out it was about 50 miles away + i had
ridden my bike farther than that before, so i decided to ride my bike
there. i got some county maps + packed everything i could onto the bike +
set out into the rain + wind around 6. i rode from kent to canton which
was almost halfway there pretty easily, except 2 times cars came kind of
close to hitting me + it freaked me out so much i had to get off + walk
since i was shaking. but south of canton there is this really long dark
scary road (route 800) surrounded by even darker woods + i was getting so
tired and scared on that road. finally i got to a town which is dover at
1am. and i stopped and got water + some food and asked how far away tappan
lake was + the woman at the gas station said it was 20 more miles, she
asked where i was going + i said a party. then this pizza delivery guy
drove up + she said she knew him + he might want to go + could give me a
ride. so i asked him + he said he could take me there. he said he had been
to some of the hippie festivals they have there before, but he couldn't
stay then since he had to work the next morning.

another good vibe story is when doug in columbus let me + i think 5 other
people who came with me plus jen + jeff from kentucky (who run an
untranslateable booth) all sleep on his living room floor after a party.
then when we woke up we bought cheese + vegetables + doug made the best
omlettes i have ever had. =]

oh yeah 1 more quick story, after snow*drift last year, when all the list
people brought food + contributed a couple of dollars if they could + me +
becky went to the big bear with it + bought the breakfast food, then more
other people on the list cooked it + we had that awesome pancake-
net-breakfast. =D

all the other good vibe stories i can think of right now involve free
illegal substances, ;P so i shouldn't mention those. 

  ***** =] **** =] *** =] ** =] * !elias! * [= ** [= *** [= **** [= *****


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At 04:31 PM 3/17/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Who does the james bond theme jungle remix track with the sample "Do you
>expect me to talk?"  "NO, Mr Bond, i expect you to die!"?  I heard it on
>Strictly Jungle 89.3 with Snuggles last week.  somehow i'm hooked on it.  

that's grooverider's remix of the james bond theme....  absoultely killer
tune.  i dont know if its out yet though... 

chris

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DJ DB's mix for Netmix its got:
                                          John B. - unknown - studio plate 
                                          Wayward Mind - feet don't fail me
                                          now - blur/smile 
                                          shooter, dara and db - untitles -
                                          dubplate 
                                          nasty habits - 4 da cause -
reinforced 
                                          dj krust - warhead- V recordings 
                                          dj suv - output - full cycle 
                                          dj suv - everybody play the same -
full
                                          cycle 
                                          bring me nearer - breakbeat terror -
                                          XL recordings 
                                          carla stone - night and day - carla
                                          stone 
                                          the shooter - ill will - pfonix 
                                          man of science - easy - breakbeat
                                          science 
                                          db and the shooter - temperature
                                          rolling - Snapt 
                                          optical - moving 808's - prototype 
                                          dillenja - light years - prototype 
So phat here the Adress:
http://www.netmix.com/new/netmixdb3.ram
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ok.  im on the hunt for some pics that were/are on the net from the
net.party that happened in rural illinois at .the.buzz.cup. (the coffe
shop randy/rainbow.freq of .future.harmonix. opened up).  i believe the
party was not last november (97), but the november before it (96).  it
happened the friday preceding .the.prophecy. in chicago on saturday.

photon.net (the web site that the pics were originally on) is still up
and running, so i think its prolly safe to say the pics are still
accesible, just not by linkage.  that is to say - one would need the
exact url to view any given picture.

im on a quest for a couple in particular.  i cant really detail the ones
im looking for, as my memory is kinda hazy from that period of time. 
so...  if someone out there in mw.raves.land has the urls bookmarked or
saved or whatever for all the pics from that party, it would be greatly
appreciated if you would forward them to me.  ill take whatever you can
give me - one url or multiple urls, it will help narrow down the hunt
either way.

thanks in advance for any and all help...

-> shonuff/sidestep

np: dj.trace - .black.widow.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 18 01:50:06 1998
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with all the talk recently of vibes and such, i thought this piece of
text only fitting.  it was written quite a while ago now by someone i
know personally.  check it...

-----

theres a point where life ends and living begins.  a place where the
boring monotony of life ceases and the excitement of living commences. 
the point, that place, is in front of a wall of speakers, beneath a vast
array of flashing colored lights, surrounded by hundreds of moving,
sweaty bodies, listening to the dj - the god for the  evening - profess
the truth and knowledge of peace.love.unity.respect, while you shake your
ass.  this is where you are no longer merely a part of life, but a
magnificent and integral part of livving!

-----

i dunno...  that sums up a good time and good vibe at a rave party fairly
well for me...  *shrug*

-> shonuff/sidestep

np: dj.twist - .feb.98.

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hahaha!!!! Thought you guys might find this amusing....


In a message dated 98-03-17 17:46:57 EST, slazaruk@INTERLOG.COM writes:

<< Subj:	      wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Date:	98-03-17 17:46:57 EST
 From:	slazaruk@INTERLOG.COM (Scott Lazaruk)
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 Fucking miracles never cease to amaze me.
 
 Let me start from the start,
 Vacuum (http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~vacuum05/) a little japanese record
company,
 has a couple miracle products you might be amazed in.
 
 A portable record player (for 12,800 yen, or 100 USD)  which looks like a
 little plastic candyraverbriefcase.
 
 Better:  they also have the 'vinyl killer' for 7,800 yen.
 It's a little vw bus about the size of your hand with a needle on the bottom
 and a speaker on the top.  It *drives* around your record at 33 & 1/3 rpm.
 
 sheeeiiiit!
 
 Scott.
 
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Fucking miracles never cease to amaze me.

Let me start from the start,
Vacuum (http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~vacuum05/) a little japanese record
company,
has a couple miracle products you might be amazed in.

A portable record player (for 12,800 yen, or 100 USD)  which looks like a
little plastic candyraverbriefcase.

Better:  they also have the 'vinyl killer' for 7,800 yen.
It's a little vw bus about the size of your hand with a needle on the bottom
and a speaker on the top.  It *drives* around your record at 33 & 1/3 rpm.

sheeeiiiit!

Scott.

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well it looks like MPLS finally has a couple good club nights.

(I know it's a little late to be posting this but...)
Hospitality Tuesdays @ The Saloon
every Tues from 10-1 w/ DJ Monte Hilleman
21-up no cover $2.50 long islands
this has been going on for a while and it is a kewl night. I always have
a good time

also Wed nights @ Ground Zero there is a new club night.  I'm not sure of
all the DJs but the one I know is DJ XXXcite, he moved here from the UK
about a year ago and he is an amazing DJ, top quality hard trance and
nu-nrg.  there is also a house DJ and one other.  there is no cover and
it's all ages(at least for now)

cheers,
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For Sale - Gear

Roland TR606  -  $225  (another classic drum machine...seven sounds,
internal sequencer, two trigger outputs to trigger analog synths, full
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outputs for each sound...includes original carrying case!)

Oberheim DX  -  $200  (Crisp and punchy classic machine...individual
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Awesome!!)

Roland TR727 - $175  (Also from the classic Roland TR-series, latin
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Garfield Electronics Mini Doc - $100  (Sync convertor with two
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Alesis D4 - $225  (Great rack mount drum box...hundreds of sounds
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Roland R70 - $350  (One of Roland’s best pieces on the market...hundreds
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Please contact Brad at 414.223.3144 or e-mail at synergy@pitnet.net

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Will someone please give me a little info on A Midwest Event april 25th?  
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hi
i was wondering if anyone knew how far it is to detroit from chicago
and what's the easiest way to get there?  i'm interested in going to
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http://www.2013.org



onelove.
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can someone tell me if there is a +thursday on the 19th in chicago??
pleaz let me know!

thanks lots of love and blo pops!
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http://www.hyperreal.org/incoming/vrave/spitfire/buzzcup

=)  what a great time that was!

___________________________________________________________________________
........... jon/dica ........... jabraun@students.wisc.edu ................
...........................................................................
.. rinsin' out every thursday, 12-2am central time at http://www.msr.org ..
...........................................................................
.................. i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" ...................
___________________________________________________________________________

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From: "Clytemnestra's Favorite Uncle" <kent@inav.net>
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I've got the itch ;-) I would like some DJ friendly tables (i.e.
SL1200, or the decent models of Gemini or Vestax), and I have some
synth gear of comparable value I'd be willing to trade.  If you've
got tables, and want a synth more, drop me a line.

Oh, and I've got a quite decent older Pioneer table PL518 I can
throw in the deal just so you can keep playing vinyl at home...

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On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Samantha A Kohnen wrote:

> can someone tell me if there is a +thursday on the 19th in chicago??
> pleaz let me know!
> 
> thanks lots of love and blo pops!
> sammy :)

once again, positive thursdays is going to go on an extended hiatus. after
the last one (3.5.98), there was quite a bit of tagging, empty baggies
laying around (god dam glass heads :( ) and tuff guy drug dealers
threatening to "show me waz up". so it goes. oh well, Positive Thursdays
14 went off rather well minus the above. a lot of people showed up (just
like last summer) and looked to be  having a pretty good time. luis
aguilera played some killer old ravey techno and trancecore, snuggles & 3D
rocked the place, Delta 9 absolutely demolished the place (even broke some
kids leg--get better soon mate :P ) and dj funk...well...was dj funk.
Delta 9 was tops of the night for me though. 
thanks to Mushgroove/Incredibeets and staff, Diversified (tim) and Mark
Martin for making the night that much more memorable (and loud!). also,
thanks to everyone that came out and supported and didn't screw things up.
once i clear a few things up with the space, im sure positive thursdays
will be back and running....

now that i don't have PT to do, look out for our ravey DIY zine
entitled...oddly enough...POSITIVE. first issue should be out in a few
weeks. i've been trying to put this thing together for like a year or two
but i keep on getting distracted and stuff...if you're interested in
submitting anything, please drop me a line or ring up 773.509.6437. 

thanks again and don't forget the caring,
matt 



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just picked up a new import cd box set from the UK entitled 'Mad On the
Hardcore Volume 1'. for those of you complaining about hearing nothing but
tunes distributed by majestic/alphamagic, this one's put together by Stage
1000 (on life on mars records)--which means lots of Just Another Label,
New Sensation, Stompin Choonz, Happy Jack, etc. selections. first two cds
are full length tracks and the third is a mix by dj slam. nice mix of
older and newer choons--and they all have break beats in them!!! happy
hardcore the bouncy way.....

evil sucks,
matt 



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the real flyers are out now!  this is from the flyer:


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SATURDAY, APRIL 25		MADISON, WI			DEXAGON

"a psychedelic dimension only accessible by expanding consciousness and
leaving behind all pre-conceived notions pertaining to reality to truly set
our minds, bodies, and spirits free..."

		       a eucalyptus production..

		  *_*_*__D__E__X__A__G__O__N__*_*_*

			    a midwest event.
			     april 25, 1998


	dEEPSKY live			  	  	      HIPP-E
	fragrant/rampant records	    	  funky tekno tribe
	albuquerque, nm		      	      san diego, ca

	FEELGOOD			 	       BOO WILLIAMS
	fever/buzz, charm city	             cajual/relief
	baltimore, md				            chicago

	MINDRIVE		SCIENTIFIK aka Adrian & Zack Bass
	erotishock prods.		tag team jungle on 3 decks
	madison hometown hero		     mash crew, ups

		 NICK KICK live
		 special 6 hour, 2nd room hypnotrance PA

sound:     BADGER AUDIO
location:  within 45 mins of downtown madison
pre-sales: call info line for ticket locations and directions
tables:    technics SL1200mk3 with abiku designs reverse switches
	    provided by AUDIO DEPOT

		contact: eucalyptus  608.258.0098
				  dbn  414.777.3998
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___________________________________________________________________________
........... jon/dica ........... jabraun@students.wisc.edu ................
...........................................................................
.. rinsin' out every thursday, 12-2am central time at http://www.msr.org ..
...........................................................................
.................. i put the "dica" back in "handicap!" ...................
___________________________________________________________________________

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Does any one know the full line up for the Groove party this Friday in
Indianapolis?  I remember seeing a flyer that had Mark Lancaster and 3D on
it for this weekend but I cant remember any else.  Also I dont see the
flyer on the calendar and I dont know the info line number.

Any info would be appreciated.

Adam Meadows


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You want a vibe story?

Well this on was right after Technopolis (Labor Day, 1992)

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4 hours easily!! :)
xox
animal

Rachel Newton wrote:
> 
> hi
> i was wondering if anyone knew how far it is to detroit from chicago
> and what's the easiest way to get there?  i'm interested in going to
> detroit for a party sometime for some variety....
> thanks
> rachel

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Just take I-94 E for about 3-4 hours. It's not a bad drive, kinda boring
though.
-- 
later,

mike
lost city productions

...When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find
more 
hideous crimes have been commited in the name of obedience than in the
name
of rebellion...
			-C.P. Snow

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Ok hi I'm drunk.  and it's st pattie's day. soooooooo!  I love all of you
and i hope that yt'all are as drunk as i am right now, and have a good
rest of the semester or spring and spring break and visit me cause i love
ya and be good and be bad



love
josh

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http://www.milarepa.org

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eeezy!!  just take I-94, it'll take you straight from chi into detroit.
from downtown to downtown it's about a 5 hour drive.  
hope to see ya soon :)
**doris**



On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Rachel Newton wrote:

> hi
> i was wondering if anyone knew how far it is to detroit from chicago
> and what's the easiest way to get there?  i'm interested in going to
> detroit for a party sometime for some variety....
> thanks
> rachel
> 


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whaddap wierdos.

....follow the link below to find this forkedup little thang. good fer
hours an hours of wacky fun.

yer welcome.
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 A2) Kung Fu sword type sound effects & squeeks, rattling kick drums 
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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Michael T. Nolan wrote:

> Stupid Octave Cat wrote:
> 
> > This is worth checking out:
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> > http://www.andyw.com/raider/
> >
> > justin
> 
>  this thing is sick and twisted, random wierdness from your desk top.
> 


OH MY G*D!  This thing is completely sick!  I may never buy another cd
again.... I was looking for something to provide some ambient soundscapes
for the background of a live set I'm planning--now all I need to do is
dump this to tape, and I'm set!

Of course, now I'm also wondering what would happen if you got a
honkin-big hard drive, filled it with TONS and TONS of WAV snippets, and
let this thing loose on it!?!  "Controlling" the randomness, so to
speak...

This program has just completely made my day!

Thanks,

-jimg

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What exactly is "nu-nrg?"

Call me a clueless Eastener (shut up erin), but I have NOT heard that
term.

Seth

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Brad posted his list of stuff for sale, and I realized I can, too!    DUH!

I'm selling two things. I'm more flexible on price with the digital
recorders, because I'm seeing a lot of S2000s sell in this price range.

Akai S2000 --$1850  This is machine is fully loaded, with all the options:
digital I/O, four-channel effects card, extra 8 analog outs, MESA software,
manual, original box, a few sounds, SCSI connector, and it's maxed with 32
megs of RAM (almost 6 minutes of sampling time at 44.1 kHz).
       Will include 540 MB external SCSI drive for additional $200.

Akai ADAM digital recording decks with locator/sync unit. $3500. This is a
whole lot of machine for someone that wants to set up their own studio. 24
track digital tape system with 64x oversampling, semi-automated fades and
switching. Two digital tape decks (12 channels each), two digital meter
bridges, one locator with auto-roll and auto-punch-in/out, etc. These
things make ADATs and DA-88s look like Fisher Price toys. Originally, the
decks were $14,500 each, with a meter bridge, and the locator was $4,000. I
bought them to do mobile recording work with a friend, but he's got a
long-term illness in the family, and I don't want to do it alone. Includes
stand for locator and bridges, 2 custom 24-lead snakes, all digital
connection lines for hookup between machines, etc.

If you know anyone who might be interested, please pass this along.

Vance


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check http://www.barkingcat.org/eos/ravepics.htm

let me know how it looks on your computer, and if you have any suggestions

thanks
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> What exactly is "nu-nrg?"
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cheese, baybee, cheese...well, not cheese enough like some 
happy hardcore covers, but...
(slightly) cheesier version of trancecore or something like that..
i think? something even your grandma will shake her booty to.
came from europe...a bad version of access. bouncy synth/acid line
..flat 909 kicks..lotsa hi-hats, build ups, breakdowns..

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"The future we choose for ourselves - the life we deeply believe is 
possible and desire to live - is a possible history among many.  Our 
lives can go in any number of directions.  We do not control 
circumstances but we do control our response to circumstances.  Our 
willingness to be deeply intentional about our futures has more to do 
with what turns out than what happens to happen.
"The life we intend to live is largely the life we get.  Not in a 
simplistic or trivial way,  but at the deepest levels of consciousness,  
we determine our trajectory through life.  Not what we are given,  but 
what we do with what we are given,  points toward one conclusion:  
consciousness is directional,  intentional,  and free."
                                    
                                                 -Richard Thieme

I would like to expand on what Craig here had to say with his idea to 
"pool our resources and throw a 'real' theme oriented and community 
building event."  I think that this is an excellent way to profoundly 
increase our energies.  Unfortunately,  I have no way of making it out 
to Ohio (where Craig is) and helping with the project he is setting up 
there.  I'm from Minnesota,  and wondering if anyone in the area is 
interested in doing something of the sort around here.  If so,  please 
contact me.  I am unusually and pleasantly motivated and hoping that we 
can make something happen.  Thanks for your time. 
**mary**

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, KNOLL <knoll@infinet.com> wrote:
>
>I'd like to take a moment to present to you all my perspective of our
>rave culture. As has been noted by many on this list and elsewhere, 
ours
>is a movement very similar to the earlier generations of youth 
movements
>of the punks, hippies, etc. But why does every generation need to form 
a
>movement? One reason is simply to preserve youth. Another is to feel
>like a community, a collective group with a collective vision on a
>collective mission. It could also be said that they need the security 
of
>having a cause, a reason for living, a motivational force to keep them
>from simply saying "Fuck it all." Finally, I think each generation 
feels
>a need to express its view of the world in some way, whether or not 
most
>of them realize that it is a view shaped by someone else's hands. 
>	These things said, our future looks pretty bleak. Already images of 50
>year old men in huge pants with signs in their hand saying "Hugs can
>heal the earth.", wandering through the downtown of a huge city, asking
>for change pop into my head. If history were to repeat itself, our
>vision will be just another washed up, drug induced vision of the past
>that sells ecstacy t-shirts to the college party kids. If we're lucky
>some of it will seap into the next movement.
>	At this point I'm sure you're all thinking "Yes, but we're all tired 
of
>hearing these sorry disenchantment stories, they're really bringing us
>down." However, I'm not going to end this commentary by simply pointing
>out what's wrong with our culture, I'd like to offer some solutions.
>First, though, I'd like to share with you an exerpt from a 'zine from
>back in the day that I just found which inspired me to write this:
>
>		"One day I just woke up and it was all over. The dream had died. The
>simplicity
>		was transformed into complexity. The world that once seemed so black
>and white
>		had become a million shades of grey/gray. I no longer believe. Right
>and wrong 
>		are just words, just syllables with no meaning. We throw these words
>around as 
>		if we understand them, but all along we are deceived by our
>convictions. I have
>		learned (or perhaps I have simply remembered) to see with new eyes,
>and these
>		eyes are skeptical, dissillusioned, and introspective. Some might say
>that I have
>		become jaded and tired, but I am neither. I simply am no longer
>convinced that I 
>		am on the side of right or wrong. I am still willing to struggle for
>the causes
>		that I am willing to struggle for, but that doesn't mean I believe in
>a truth
>		that stands behind those causes. Every story has a million endings,
>and every
>		story had a million tellings. Each of us sees with our own eyes. And
>what works 
>		for me will not work for you. At all moments we are all right amd we
>are all wrong.
>		It has been a painful journey from conviction to skepticism, from the
>well lit 
>		room to the dark cave. It has been a journey that has divorced me of
>much of my
>		passion and anger." - Kent McClard
>
>	The place where the author of this is seems, to me, to be where we all
>need to be and to move away from at the same time. I think we all need
>to realize that our movement really is somewhat of a joke. I mean, what
>is the cause in gathering together to dance to electronic music and 
look
>at lasers and, for some, to take drugs anyway? At a glance that's all 
it
>is. And to some involved that's all it is. And from the viewpoint of
>anyone not involved that's all it amounts to. But to some of us, 
there's
>a deeper thread. An inner fabric that weaves it all together in an
>amazingly sensible fashion. Which of you can voice what that is,
>however? You may think you've got it, but after chasing down that idea
>you realize that it was just just another piece of the patchwork and 
the
>search begins anew. 
>	That's where we've gone wrong. The object isn't to find out what
>created the moment that you felt that "something special" and recreate
>it again and again. There's no gain. The object is to realize the drive
>within yourself to create that special feeling for yourself and those
>around you, and use it to accomplish something concrete. To do this you
>must realize that rave is not the doorway to that special moment, it is
>the celebration of that ability within ourselves to realize that 
moment,
>and to pass on the drive to create it to others.
>	Here's what I propose: To anyone out there involved in this scene
>because they want to accomplish something positive we need to pool our
>resources and throw a "real" theme oriented and community building
>event. We need to begin a Saturday at a local park or camping ground 
and
>pick up all the trash, help mow the grass, whatever needs to be done.
>Afterwards we celebrate the fact that we did something, only those that
>helped can gain entrance to the event. Maybe we'll even be able to work
>out a deal with the camping ground or park to let us have it there in
>return for our service, and because everyone helped clean it up, no one
>will trash the place. Or we could fix up an old building or wharehouse
>and do the same. Or how about setting up a soup line for the homeless?
>Talk about getting your moneys' worth from a $20 party! We could use
>half the admission to buy supplies for the soup line and the other half
>to pay for the party that night. There are thousands of worthy causes 
to
>devote our energies to. I think we're well past the point of building a
>foundation of supporters. Its time to turn our passions into products
>that benefit everyone around us.
>	On top of all this we will finally be able to prove to everyone that 
we
>really are about positivity. We'll finally get some good media coverage
>and parents won't want to lock kids in their rooms to keep them from
>raving. Also we'll be able to weed out all those 14 yr old crackheads
>and fashion models that everybody keeps complaining about. And you 
wanna
>talk about a vibe! How about partyin' with a bunch of people you just
>got done working beside towards a goal that you all think is worthy! I
>don't think there could be a thicker vibe.
>	So if this appeals to any of you out there get in touch with me and
>we'll find some way to get something accomplished. I don't know about
>you all, but I'm ready to DO something. Thank you if you've made it 
this
>far and I apologize for the winding path that I've taken to get my 
point
>across. As always, I didn't really explain all that I would've like to,
>but I think I've make a solid enough arguement. Allow me to end with 
one
>more quote:
>		
>		"From where I sit, the cycle looks pretty clear. First "we're" 
talking
>animal 
>		rights and beginning to use that as a justification for "our"
>superiority, then
>		the next thing I know, its OK to call girls sluts and homos unnatural
>if they 
>		are being "impure" or "bad". Don't you see? The plan is to construct
>your own
>		revolution where you are already the pure/elite, where you will win 
no
>matter
>		what. No challenge here, no need to try to educate yourself or deal
>with your
>		own inconsistencies if you've already reached the apex of evolution.
>Yeah, what
>		a fucking revolution is being waged in the hearts and minds of our
>nations
>		youth." - Author Unknown
>	
>	I say, you want a revolution, relolutionize the way you look at
>revolution. Shut your damn mouth and get started. 
>
>Craig 
>			
>-- 
>"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him."-Voltaire
>
>"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."-Georg Hegel
>


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I have been throwing around the idea of starting a collective of sorts on
the same basic premises that have been thrown around recently. A group
that throws outdoor parties, with a communal alter, some ceremonies, and a
focus on positive, healing energy....but collectives are later, with more
resources, parties are now, today, here. Reality is mutable. Consciousness
changes reality--not the other way around......

What I propose is this. Only DJs there that will spin free--this is about
the vibe, not the image. Outdoors would be wonderful. I really like the
idea of kinda 'karma work' before hand. A circle prayer to start the rave.
Free water. I'm in Mpls/St Paul (for a short while longer) and then I'm
back in Cincy and I would love to throw a party in this direction....

PeaceLovePowerMagick
eric


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On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:38:34 -0600 (CST) me <jchandratat@stthomas.edu>
writes:
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>> What exactly is "nu-nrg?"
>---
>cheese, baybee, cheese...well, not cheese enough like some 
>happy hardcore covers, but...
>(slightly) cheesier version of trancecore or something like that..
>i think? 

naw, you're thinking of that italian shit-also sometimes referred to as
new energy.  actually access by misjah and tim is the quintisential<SP?>
nu-nrg track.  I guess it's basically kinda somewhere inbetween trance,
acid and techno w/ a higher BPM-some producers are Baby Doc, Jon the
Dentist, and Choci.  also, sometimes it is kinda lumped along w/ the
whole hardbag thing too-i.e.Blu Peter, Mrs. Wood, and Tony De Vit.  a lot
of ppl just consider it Hard trance/acid trance, but I think it
definitely has it's own feel.

cheers,
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anyone here planning on going to columbus for "ALL GOOD"

THANX




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> What I propose is this. Only DJs there that will spin free--this is about
> the vibe, not the image. Outdoors would be wonderful. I really like the
----
getting paid for doing something you love is not a crime...many paid djs
have done their fair share of spinning for free when they started to play 
out. i mean, when you have the skills and the bookings are starting to
flow in regularly, would you refuse the opportunities? i mean, i love to
play in front of pple just for the hell of it, but if i can be somewhere
in front of 1000 more pple and getting paid for it?? i am being realistic
here..which happens to be cynical too. 

> idea of kinda 'karma work' before hand. A circle prayer to start the rave.
----
strictly my opinion and observation here and i am not all that religious.
so dispute me if you will, but...
i grew up in thailand and am a buddhist...it just seems to me that many
westerners think they can just switch their views and embrace a new one.
getting rid of negative karma takes more than just occasional prayers..
its a lifetime commitment toward the realization...not some wishy-washy
"dancing toward love" hippy type of thing -- that is simply hedonism.
my point: there is a fine line between hedonistic and spiritual.

john
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just got the new dj.madkid mixtape in the mail today, thought id give a
little review of it.

- dj.madkid
- midwest.architect.edition.2 (ma2)
- 90 minutes
- drum.n.bass

side one (cleverly titled 'form') starts off with some basic and straight
forward drum.n.bass with the madkid scratching intro, which i found to be
a lot better and more listenable than the scratching that begins the
first side of .midwest.architect.1.  for about half of the 'form' side,
it stays pretty straight forward as far as the mixing and style of d.n.b
goes, but halfway through it  shifts gears (very smoothly, i might add)
into the more dark and two step styles (which is fine by me!) and
gradually builds up and maintains a solid and fairly upbeat pace.

side two (cleverly titled 'structure') starts off where the 'form' side
ended and keeps up the pace with mmore dark twostepping madness, dropping
quite a few completely wicked tracks at about the halfway mark, at which
point he brings it back down and chills it out and brings the tape to a
close.

this tape shows what a triuly wicked selector madkid can be, and
showcases his scratching and mixing skills beautifully without being too
in your face.  i dig this tape a lot.  got it today and already listened
to it 4 times.

im not good at track titles and artist or label names so i cant really
list anything he plays to give you an idea of what to expect, but if you
like drum.n.bass (especially the two step stuff, the -quality- two step
stuff), youd prolly dig this one a lot.

contact madkid:

flatscience
p.o.box 141148
mpls, mn. 55414

612.257.7362

flatsci@aol.com

laters...

-> shonuff/sidestep

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If I hadn't come upon it myself, I'd think it was a really bad joke--

http://www.odci.gov/cia/ciakids/spyguy/index.html

Happy Browsing! War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

PeaceLovePowermagick,
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i have three words to say about this:  what the fuck?


> http://www.odci.gov/cia/ciakids/spyguy/index.html
>

chris



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Hey Mpls (and surrounding area) Net Ravers :-)

Because my little shindig last weekennd went so well (IMO) and it was 
more of a 'get together' then an actual party, I'm thinking of having 
another one on Saturday March 28th. What do you all think? If you think 
I should have another one, let me know ASAP, so I can start planning 
it... unless I get actuall feedback on if people would go, I wont have 
it. Talk to y'all later, and thanks to all those that showed up for the 
last one! :-)

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test

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
http://www.entropy.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

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Don't despair kiddies!

 Your mom is taking a hiatus from the list for a few months... The reasons
vary, but the main one is because I just cannot afford the luxury of time
to go through and even delete everyhting that comes through here... My
time with school is of the upmost importance to me right now. With the
load of work I have being heaped upon me at this point in time and in the
close future with it becoming even more I just can't spend the time I'd
like to with the list and with parties and raves in general...

The scary thing is that this all comes about due to a recent bad grade in
a class for which I'll be writing a paper in the next few weeks about the
rave scene and how closely some aspects of it mirror the beat movement.

 I should reappear sometime during the middle of May, after the semester
is over and I've taken my vacation to Florida. I might be at the party in
Cincinnati on March 28th doing research for my paper, and releasing some
stress, so hopefully I'll see some of you there...

 I am always availble through private email, which is posted at the end of
my .sig, so if you need to talk about something or want to talk or get a
hug from your mom or whatever, let me know.

 See you all later!                                                 

-Becky =)

wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

saga/boggle me[Private]: The key to being part of the Chosen, Becky, is
to not kill the whacked, but be invulnerable to them.  To have not
thick skin, a short fuse, or a big heart.  To have selective hearing, a
dumas filter, and frictionless superficiality in their presence.

saga/boggle me[Private]: Now, stop being Vrave's mom, okay?

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*





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On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, me wrote:

> strictly my opinion and observation here and i am not all that religious.
> so dispute me if you will, but...
> i grew up in thailand and am a buddhist...it just seems to me that many
> westerners think they can just switch their views and embrace a new one.
> getting rid of negative karma takes more than just occasional prayers..
> its a lifetime commitment toward the realization...not some wishy-washy
> "dancing toward love" hippy type of thing -- that is simply hedonism.
> my point: there is a fine line between hedonistic and spiritual.

I agree, but something is better than nothing, and I think it's really
great that people are putting forth the effort to try to remind our
brothers and sisters who join us at raves just why they are there and what
it can all mean. The proposition may not fit your definition of "the right
way", but it's a lot better than doing nothing at all. 

jeff

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At 03:09 PM 3/18/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> What I propose is this. Only DJs there that will spin free--this is about
>> the vibe, not the image. Outdoors would be wonderful. I really like the
>----
>getting paid for doing something you love is not a crime...many paid djs
>have done their fair share of spinning for free when they started to play 
>out. i mean, when you have the skills and the bookings are starting to
>flow in regularly, would you refuse the opportunities? i mean, i love to
>play in front of pple just for the hell of it, but if i can be somewhere
>in front of 1000 more pple and getting paid for it?? i am being realistic
>here..which happens to be cynical too. 

getting paid to dj is fine....but people should remember that anyway you
look at it, mixing music is a hobby.  i've heard 1 dj that i feel should be
able to make a living doing this.  but yes, realisticly, people do get paid
crazy amounts of cash to play some records, and i don't believe it helps
the quality of talent in any way shape or form.  other than getting some
money for new records, or even equipment. personally, i'd rather spin a
whole night at an event like this, than being in front of 1000 more people
getting paid for it.  this is something special that this guy wants to do
here. 

>> idea of kinda 'karma work' before hand. A circle prayer to start the rave.
>----
>strictly my opinion and observation here and i am not all that religious.
>so dispute me if you will, but...
>i grew up in thailand and am a buddhist...it just seems to me that many
>westerners think they can just switch their views and embrace a new one.
>getting rid of negative karma takes more than just occasional prayers..
>its a lifetime commitment toward the realization...not some wishy-washy
>"dancing toward love" hippy type of thing -- that is simply hedonism.
>my point: there is a fine line between hedonistic and spiritual.
>


from experience, this is not true.  you can embrace what you see as truth.
if God kicked you in the head, you'd believe that he existed pretty quick,
you'd also change your view of  him pretty quick.  but that's not what i'm
saying.  sure you could take a lifetime to ponder these things and wonder
if you are doing what god has planned, or if your views are the "right"
ones...but why?  if you simply believe in what you see as truth and leave
it at that, then you can spend that much more time enjoying life and the
opportunities it brings.

i mean i've realized why i'm here...and i've only recently "commited to the
realization" so i don't think there's anything wishy washy or hedonistic
about what what eric wants to do.  if it's done in the name of love, which
i think it is, there is a great amount of healing that can be done.  people
can check ego's at the door,  get to know one another, co exist with one
another and experience the connection we all have.  not to say this can't
be done at any other party or even at a bowling alley with a bunch of guys
sharing a pitcher of beer.  i just think that this environment allows for a
greater
realization of these things.

Chad


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This DJ really impressed me at the WMC. It was the perfect setting for a
little D'N'B groove, on top of the hi-rise Sony Music building in
downtown Miami Beach, with the panorama of the entire city spread out
below us, the moon and stars above us, a kick-ass sound system and a
party of several hundred like-minded music nuts. Oh, and it was about 75
degrees out! ;-> Whew! This real-audio sample is taking me back. Check
it out. 

-- Robin


George wrote: 
> DJ DB's mix for Netmix :
> So phat:
> http://www.netmix.com/new/netmixdb3.ram
> ______________________________________
> Peace,Luv,Unity and Respect: George, SenecaOH@aol.com
> """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

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hi
i was wondering if anyone knew of any other raves in chicago on
saturday besides bigger and bolder.  i've checked the geocities site
and hyperreal and have found nothing...
thanks
rachel

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sounds like a great idea :)
xoxo
animal

eric steenz wrote:
> 
> I have been throwing around the idea of starting a collective of sorts on
> the same basic premises that have been thrown around recently. A group
> that throws outdoor parties, with a communal alter, some ceremonies, and a
> focus on positive, healing energy....but collectives are later, with more
> resources, parties are now, today, here. Reality is mutable. Consciousness
> changes reality--not the other way around......
> 
> What I propose is this. Only DJs there that will spin free--this is about
> the vibe, not the image. Outdoors would be wonderful. I really like the
> idea of kinda 'karma work' before hand. A circle prayer to start the rave.
> Free water. I'm in Mpls/St Paul (for a short while longer) and then I'm
> back in Cincy and I would love to throw a party in this direction....
> 
> PeaceLovePowerMagick
> eric
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -Eric Stiens-      (estiens@macalester.edu)
> 
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> change the world-indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -M. Mead-
> 
> "If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution"
>                                                         -Emma Goldman-

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i guess i'm not supposed to post gear for sale things on mw-raves.  even
though in the five years i've been on this list there have been many. 
and this could be rave related.

just a thought.

brad synergy
massivemagazine milwaukee


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On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, me wrote:

> 
> > What exactly is "nu-nrg?"
> ---
> cheese, baybee, cheese...well, not cheese enough like some 
> happy hardcore covers, but...
> (slightly) cheesier version of trancecore or something like that..
> i think? something even your grandma will shake her booty to.
> came from europe...a bad version of access. bouncy synth/acid line
> ..flat 909 kicks..lotsa hi-hats, build ups, breakdowns..

Oh. OK.  I just thought it might be soemthing different from Euro or
HiNrg, but I guess not.  That would explain it took me by surprise.  New
term, same stuff.  

Hardcore is my favorite.

There is a rap, happy, rock, skinhead, metal, and techno genre (less
'happy' which is just amusing) that have a hardcore.  Must add nu-nrg to
the list though, which is rather old....

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On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:05:04 -0600 Chad Sponholz <cspon@csd.uwm.edu>
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>At 03:09 PM 3/18/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>getting paid to dj is fine....but people should remember that anyway 
>you
>look at it, mixing music is a hobby.

I have to strongly disagree here.  would you say a band playing music is
just a hobby?  a DJ is no different.  every DJ I know puts tons of time
and effort into their mixing.  they may love doing it, but that doesn't
mean that it is any less a career than any "regular" job.  and it's
definitely not stamp collecting.

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Friday, March 21
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                  KNEWBORN
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Let me add something to this thought.  I've always thought of parties as 
a collective production of the DJ's promoters and "kids".  Now, the way 
we have stuff setup today the DJ's and promoters sometimes make money 
from the "kids" paying an entrance fee.  And I'm not against that.
      
BUT, one of the big risks of a party for the promoters is losing 
money.  There are fixed costs such as space rental, audio/lights and       
plane fair, flyers.  A thought I had would change the dynamic a bit      
between the promoters and the DJ's, lights and sounds people, flyer       
desginers...
      
      How about this:
      
Promoter covers getting space, plane tixs and other fixed costs.  DJ's are 
"only" promised money to cover their costs, ie plane tix, gas,       
whatever.  Their pay would come out of the profits for a party.  So,       
if the party makes no money, then DJ's don't get any extra money.  
Same would go for the lights and sound if they wanted.

So, a party becomes more of a collective process.  Everyone throwing       
it shares equally in the rewards.  There is still risk to the 
promoters, but not as much.  It also would allow DJ's to make more on       
a party if it goes off big.
      
 Now this also works in your collective sense.  Lets say you get a group of 
DJ's together who are willing to donate their skills, and maybe some 
lights/sounds  people, throw in a flyer designer and their ya go, Rave 
collective ready to 
party.  Maybe the goal of each party:  BREAK EVEN.  That's a tall order in some 
cases.  
 
What'ca think, can parties be done this way?  It takes real trust between 
promoters, DJ's, everyone "running" the party.  And I think it would make for a 
much better party.
> 
> ______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
> Subject: A new direction--
> Author:  mw-raves-owner-ALAN.D.HUDSON=monsanto.com@hyperreal.org at INTERNET 
> Date:    03/18/1998 1:25 PM
> 
> 
>      
> I have been throwing around the idea of starting a collective of sorts on 
> the same basic premises that have been thrown around recently. A group 
> that throws outdoor parties, with a communal alter, some ceremonies, and a 
> focus on positive, healing energy....but collectives are later, with more 
> resources, parties are now, today, here. Reality is mutable. Consciousness 
> changes reality--not the other way around......
>      
> What I propose is this. Only DJs there that will spin free--this is about 
> the vibe, not the image. Outdoors would be wonderful. I really like the 
> idea of kinda 'karma work' before hand. A circle prayer to start the rave. 
> Free water. I'm in Mpls/St Paul (for a short while longer) and then I'm 
> back in Cincy and I would love to throw a party in this direction.... 
>      
> PeaceLovePowerMagick
> eric
>      
>      
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> -Eric Stiens-    (estiens@macalester.edu) 
>      
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can 
> change the world-indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -M. Mead- 
>      
> "If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution" 
>        -Emma Goldman-
>      
> 
     
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     I've only seen it before as a preset name in Roland's new mc505.  I 
think it's supposed to be a kind of hard trance.
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Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 11:41AM


What exactly is "nu-nrg?"


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I just wanted to drop a review of this CD that I picked up the other
day.

Hardkiss Brothers, "Northern Exposure"

Fully mixed, fully flawless, fully amazing.  It is composed of mostly
trance-like break beats.  The mixing is so flawless and perfect, one
can't even tell when one song ends, and the other begins.  It takes one
on a journey through sounds off all types.  Beautiful.  

If you like the Hardkiss Brothers (or even if you haven't even heard of
them), this is a must have; it can be found at Best Buy.  Great for road
trips.  ;)

Peace,

Angel O:)

np: Plastikman: Sheet One: "Plasticine"

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Isn't this a Sasha mix CD??
Nevertheless, it is beautiful, and well worth the purchase.

j-Sun

On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> I just wanted to drop a review of this CD that I picked up the other
> day.
> 
> Hardkiss Brothers, "Northern Exposure"
> 
> Fully mixed, fully flawless, fully amazing.  It is composed of mostly
> trance-like break beats.  The mixing is so flawless and perfect, one
> can't even tell when one song ends, and the other begins.  It takes one
> on a journey through sounds off all types.  Beautiful.  
> 
> If you like the Hardkiss Brothers (or even if you haven't even heard of
> them), this is a must have; it can be found at Best Buy.  Great for road
> trips.  ;)
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Angel O:)
> 
> np: Plastikman: Sheet One: "Plasticine"
> 

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Ok so I just thought I'd throw in a good word for a friend here.  Y'all
know those tapes that xotis was pushin about a week back? they're good.

I'm not especially a huge fan of happyhardcore, but the happycore tape of
the 2 tape set is good...  lots of cheezy reworkings of pop songs including
sting's "walking on the moon," no doubt's "dont speak," the beatles' "let
it be" and a few others.  it's a fun listen and it hasn't left my tape deck
in a while, despite the fact that every time i play it, I get dissed.

as for the trance-core tape, I haven't listened to it yet.  you all know my
views on trance.  But I'm sure that it's excellently mixed just like the
happycore tape is.

so email xotis@visi.com and get yours today.  they're only like $6 for a
pair of tapes, you can't beat that.

chris

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> Isn't this a Sasha mix CD??
> Nevertheless, it is beautiful, and well worth the purchase.
> 
> j-Sun
> 

Yeah, I don't know about the hardkiss brothers, but I've got 
Sasha and John Digweed's Northern Exposure 2- Westcoast
Edition, very Beautiful trance, flawless mixing on Ultra Records(ministry
of sound).
Hmmmmm, is it possible that this could also be on the Hardkiss
label. Are the songs:

Cygnus- Superstring
Speedy J- Fusion
Humate- 3.2
Sven Vath- An Accident in Paradise
The Light- Panfried
Third Man- Solar Cycle
LSG- Netherworld
Taucher- Waters
Art of Silence- Teach Me
Transa- Enervate
Armin- Blue Fear

I am very curious to know if this is the same CD.

onelove.
noble

THINK - http://www.2013.com

"There must be a future that we can choose for ourselves."

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i won't dissagree that there are dj's who can and should make a living off
of what they do.  i agree that many do work hard.
but i still think it's a hobby.  no it's not stamp collecting, but it's
also not bridge building.

the people who i think deserve to make djing a "full time job" are the
people who are constantly pushing the limits.  doing new things never
thinking that they can stop working on the skills and always have a unique
selection of music...and to be honest, most of the dj's i used to respect
for this haven't put the money i give them to good use.  i won't drop any
names, but a certain number of jungle dj's and many house dj's i seem to
always be hearing the same tracks from...not only that, but i'll hear them
spinning the same track someone else spun just before them.

so my viewpoint on this is that sure, there can be dj's that can make a
living from this, but in doing this they agree to provide a product, and
when the quality of the product is no longer acceptable or if the same
product can be provided for free, they should either find a new job or find
a way to make the product exceptional.  

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> so my viewpoint on this is that sure, there can be dj's that can make a
> living from this, but in doing this they agree to provide a product, and
> when the quality of the product is no longer acceptable or if the same
> product can be provided for free, they should either find a new job or find
> a way to make the product exceptional.  
----
christ, mate, dj's are entertainers, not some infomercials.
club dj's...mobile dj's...wedding dj's...school dj's...etc.
or werent you considering these pple as dj's?? i mean, whats
your definition of a disc jockey? they play music for the pple
and many do make a career out of it. if the analogy is too thin,
look at club djs in europe...especially england.
to take the matter further, what about producing?? according to
you, wouldnt it be just a hobby too? 
or what about turntablists?? getting sponsored and such??

john.dove
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On 19 Mar 1998 09:48:28 -0600 <ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com> writes:
>      
>Promoter covers getting space, plane tixs and other fixed costs.  DJ's 
>are 
>"only" promised money to cover their costs, ie plane tix, gas,       
>whatever.  Their pay would come out of the profits for a party.  So,   
>if the party makes no money, then DJ's don't get any extra money.  

the only problem is that not all promoters are ethical, so as a DJ how
would you know how much you are entitled to.  now I'm not saying this is
a bad idea, actually myself and many other DJs that I know don't have set
scales for how much to charge.  for myself it varies w/ how big the party
is gonna be and how much they are charging at the door, and other
associated stuff.  If they're gonna charge $15 at the door then I expect
some money, but if they are only charging $5/6 then I wouldn't expect
more than travel expenses.

just another $.02 

cheers,
MINDFLUX


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>look at club djs in europe...especially england.

england is not in europe.


..person:  thomas grov=E9 / lion gv / grover / gv!
.webpage:  http://www.lotek.org/~lion/index.html
..member:  lotek collective / acid productions .

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OOPS!
Thank you very much for pointing that out.
The actual date for KNEWBORN is
Friday, March 27
Sorry everyone.






Prugh E. George wrote:

> is this friday or march 21?  please resopnd asap!
>            _ @_/`  XOXO,
>           /  []       PRUGH
>          ~   \\
>               //
>              ~~
> 
> On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:58:02 -0500 KNOLL <knoll@infinet.com> writes:
> >Friday, March 21
> >        Groovesyndrum Prod. brings you
> >
> >                  KNEWBORN
> >     The official pre-party for Innocent
> >
> >
> >Room 1                                 Room 2
> >Delivery:                              Recovery:
> >
> >10-12                                  10-12
> >Matt Freeman (aka Spinboy) vs.         Mood 13
> >Doughboy
> >
> >12-2                                   12-2
> >SDF-1                                  Tystick
> >Dark Jungle
> >
> >2-4                                    2-4
> >Bennett                                        Belip
> >                                       Funky minimalism
> >4-6
> >DJ Sterling                            4-6
> >Smoothin' out the morning              Mr. Pressure
> >with chilled breakbeats                        Hard Techno
> >
> >This event will take place in the Dayton area.
> >$3.00 Before 12 - $5.00 After
> >17 & up, must have ID
> >Main info: 937.264.1721 (call week of only)
> >
> >Also, don't forget Innocent on Sat., March 28 in Cincinnati
> >Feat. Joey Beltram
> >      Carlos
> >      Swamp
> >      DJ Funk
> >
> >CBS: 513.665.6572

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I'm not saying that DJ's should not get paid.  I'm just talking about spreading 
both the risk and reward across more people.  Right now if a party does really 
well the promoters get all the extra dough.  Conversely if its loses money, the 
promoter is the only one who loses money(assuming he actually pays his people!)

What I'm proposing is more a joint effort by the promoters, DJ's and 
lights/sound people.  In a "normal" company you have workers who get some wage. 
If the company does well it laces the pockets of the owners.  If it does badly, 
the owner losses money.  This is more a concept of employee ownership of a 
party.  It spreads both profit and risk around.  Corporations like to call it 
"employee ownership"...

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Author:  fishead@mb.sympatico.ca at INTERNET
Date:    03/19/1998 1:34 PM


ALAN.D.HUDSON@monsanto.com wrote:
     
> Promoter covers getting space, plane tixs and other fixed costs.  DJ's 
> are "only" promised money to cover their costs, ie plane tix, gas,
> whatever.  Their pay would come out of the profits for a party.  So, 
> if the party makes no money, then DJ's don't get any extra money.
> Same would go for the lights and sound if they wanted.
     
but what happens in the case where a dj works a regular job and has to 
take time off to play the gig?  what happens if a dj's car breaks down 
en route to a gig?  These are situations that occur... if a dj is 
driving an average of 5 hours each way for gigs, twice a month for 
several months... and his car breaks down at the end of this period is 
it just the last promoter who's asked to chip in, or does this suddenly 
become an added expense for all the gigs, as this was wear and tear over 
time...
     
it's a dicey situation...  I'm actually very understanding when it comes 
to gigs... usually just asking for flight/accomodation, although on a few 
occasions I've hooked up my own lodging.... but the fact is that I have a 
very understanding employer, who's willing to work my schedule around my 
gigs...  I was able to get an entire month off last summer so that I 
could tour around the US... but it really hurt when I got back home and 
didn't get a paycheque for 4 weeks... I'd only been asking to cover 
expenses for most of the trip... played several gigs for free... had a 
great time, but looking back it ended up costing me about $200 overall... 
which isn't too bad... it *was* a month away from work... but at the same 
time, touring is also work... especially when you're lugging around a bag 
of records, a 50lb flight case, a bag of clothes and a sleeping bag on a 
36 hour bus trip... 
     
-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +-------------- 
dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
    http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm

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     Saw Paul Oakenfold at the Metro in Chicago last night, at it was 
awesome.  Big props to Pure for bringing such excellent talent to Chitown in 
the past few weeks.  I am looking forward to seeing Frankie Bones as well. 
 But I just had one question, why bring talent like this to the Metro?  And 
in the middle of the week?  I would think it would be better to see these 
people at underground parties where they are known to play.  Don't get me 
wrong, Metro has a cool vibe and all, but when it fills up there is hardly 
any room to move, let alone decent space for dancing.  Plus being located in 
Wrigglyville, all sorts of people just wander in and stand there drinking 
beer looking bored.  Personnally, I would rather pay $20 for a party and see 
the same Dj there than at a concert venue for $10.  At least that way, 
people who were only going to see one big name DJ have the opportunity to 
get turned on to lesser known DJ's who are equally as exciting to watch and 
dance to.

     Just my $0.02
     Peace
     E
     ^\\//^
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**NOTICE**
If someone happens to find my brain lying around somewhere, please
contact me; it seems to have wandered off.  <blushing>
****
Yes, it is Sasha and John D. (I was just testing everyone..hehe...yea,
that's it; testing) It is the Eastcoast Edition that I have, NE2.  Thank
you for helping me clear that up.  I got all psyched b/c the cd was so
great, I also got fudged in the head.  I guess good music is supposed to
do that.

The Westcoast edition looks great, too.  The tracks are some of my
favorites (have most of them on vinyl); esp.  LSG's Netherworld (I love
the tribal sounding mix)

Crawling under a rock,

Angel O:)
> ----------
> From: 	noble&jacqui[SMTP:duchess@mc.net]
> Sent: 	 April 19, 1998 11:08AM
> To: 	Strange and Loopy; Oberle, Michelle
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> 
> > Isn't this a Sasha mix CD??
> 
> Yeah, I don't know about the hardkiss brothers, but I've got 
> Sasha and John Digweed's Northern Exposure 2- Westcoast
> Edition

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At 01:51 PM 3/19/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>to take the matter further, what about producing?? according to
>you, wouldnt it be just a hobby too? 

yes, i think producing is a hobby, but i also see nothing wrong with
dedicating your life to it and getting payed for that work, or dj'ing for
that matter, and yes i was pretty much only talking about rave dj's since
they are expected (for me) to push the limits of music and the way it is
presented.
other disk jockeys are paid to give people the tunes they want to
hear...and they do that very well.
what i'm saying is if a "rave dj" is going to make a living of doing this,
s/he better push the limits a bit. if they are entertainers as you say,
they better entertain. 

>or what about turntablists?? getting sponsored and such??

turntablists are constantly pushing the limits amd put on a damn good show,
and i see no other form of dj that is more dedicated or works harder at
trying to do new things, so yes, i would give up my money to watch
them...gladly. untill i stop seeing new things.

Chad

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>  But I just had one question, why bring talent like this to the Metro?  And 
> in the middle of the week?  I would think it would be better to see these 
> people at underground parties where they are known to play.  Don't get me 
----
mostly the venue issue, i think. metro is pretty much bust-free.
promoters dont want to risk paying for big acts and have their party
busted. and i am sure the big name pple would rather play in a secured
space as well. 
and oakey is known for a club dj. 

john.dove
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||     http://csclub.stthomas.edu/~johnc     ||
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my copy is sasha and diggers, and i don't remember ever seeing a hardkiss bros
"northern exposure".  i want to pick up the NE2 set soon.  one question,
though:  are the East and West discs NE2 or just tour discs?

peace
chris

Strange and Loopy wrote:

> Isn't this a Sasha mix CD??
> Nevertheless, it is beautiful, and well worth the purchase.
>
> j-Sun
>
> On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:
>
> > I just wanted to drop a review of this CD that I picked up the other
> > day.
> >
> > Hardkiss Brothers, "Northern Exposure"
> >


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>i guess i'm not supposed to post gear for sale things on mw-raves.  even
>though in the five years i've been on this list there have been many.
>and this could be rave related.
--
if you've got gear for sale, put it in the hands of the techno kids who
really have a primal desire for it. there happen to be alot of them on this
list, so why not let them know? it is DEFINATELY a related topic.

plus...
--
>>  Advertisments
>>                Unsolicited advertising which is completely
>>                off-topic is not welcome on the list. If in
>>                any doubt, ask the list admin first!
--
i don't think that section applies to selling your gear.

>>                Clearly, midwest raves is about many things, and
>>                many related topics can be of interest; e.g.
>>                the origin of various music styles, turntables
>>                and samplers, the state of raves today,
>>                DJing and producing, recreational drugs,
>>                upcoming events and reviews, rave-related social
>>                issues, etc. Use your best judgement.
--
and that section pretty much clarifies that gear is "rave-related."

word
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>What'ca think, can parties be done this way?  It takes real trust between
>promoters, DJ's, everyone "running" the party.  And I think it would make
>for a
>much better party.
--
i think it's an awesome idea.
however, the realist in me points out that you can't really trust too many
people on the business end of the scene. it really sucks that it's this
way, but there are always those shady guys who will screw people over to
survive (or make that extra buck).
i'm an adament supporter of complete honesty. unfortunately, i'm part of a
minority. greed runs rampant because of human shortsightedness. if the
shadys had some foresight and concern for others, they'd realize that the
world really would be a much better place if we would just all do our part
to help each other out. granted one man cannot change the world. but, he
can change himself and sometimes that's all it takes.

at risk of this post resembling one of archon's, let me share this with y'all:

          "he who knows enough is enough will always have enough."

ciao
--
111
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 19 21:51:03 1998
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Whatz up party PPL....I just wanted to drop a bit of knowledge on you about
our upcoming party in Memphis,Tn..It is a benefit for ST.JUDE CHILDRENS
RESEARCH HOSPITAL here in Memphis and it will take place MAY 30,1998 at the
NEW DAISEY on BEALE ST....We are pleased to announce that we have lined up a
LIVE PA,a TAG SET,and 6 other great DJ's for the event...We will also have a
dual laser show along with 20,000 wts. of sound and a blinding strobe
setup.(so bring your tints)Pre sale tickets are available at Millenium records
in Memphis (901)722-9698 or by Mail order through me @ DAVID LAWSON  203
Marjorie cv.  West Memphis,AR. 72301    for only $10.00..Other wise it is
$15.00 at the door but will be giving a $3.00 door discount to out of towners
with ID's..so here are the
details.......................................................................
.......................................*KIRA & PRIMO  techno pimps  ST.LOUIS
*SPIFF               mindtribe         FAYETTEVILLE
*SEAN OD aka. THINKHEAD  velocity/FFrr  MEMPHIS
*MARYJANE      esp/millenium    MEMPHIS
*DARRLY LOVEBOMB   kingfunk  NASHVILLE
*DMX                 303 collective       DENVER,CO.
*DJ LILJOHN     reddog/huge recs.    CHICAGO
*live pa  PRESTON CRAIG  ultimate sound   ATLANTA
* +++++FREE AFTER HOURS++++++(we did playgrounds after hours)
*AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A VERY STRONG AND VERSITILE LINE-UP SO COME ON OUT IN
SUPPORT OF THE CHILDREN...PEACE..DAVID...BLO-POP                              

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>>look at club djs in europe...especially england.
>
>england is not in europe.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 19 22:05:58 1998
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i -highly- recommend picking up the new issue of urb magazine
(mar.apr.98), as it is the annual "the next 100", where they showcase
ands spotlight 100 (or so) ppl in the electronic/hip.hop/alternative
scene(s) to watch out for.  and this time around, theyve really outdone
themselves.

among many many many others, they do a little ditty on the following
beloved:

- 1.8.7
- adam f
- attica blues
- danny the wildchild
- decoder/tech.itch
- gene farris
- forte records
- green velvet
- james hardway
- david hollands
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- j majik
- john b
- dj krust
- l.a. junglists
- optical + matrix
- peshay
- plaid
- pure/wpcm
- source direct
- vestax turntables
- claude young

and a shit load more...

plus, the reader survey results are in and quite a few of them surprised
me, for the better.

its pretty dope, pick it up...

-> shonuff/sidestep

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> But I just had one question, why bring talent like this to the Metro? 
> And 
>in the middle of the week?  I would think it would be better to see 
>these 
>people at underground parties where they are known to play.

well, actually, i dont think either paul oakenfold or frankie bones are
considered djs who usually play at underground parties.  at least not any
more.  mebbe 5 (or more) years ago, but not today, and not for quite a
while.

paul oakenfold is a club dj.  i believe (correct if im mistaken) he
maitains -several- residencies at several clubs, many of which are on
week nights.

and frankie bones...  well, he might as well be a club ddj, imho. 
*shrug*

-> shonuff/sidestep

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 19 22:53:55 1998
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On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Brad Owen wrote:

> i guess i'm not supposed to post gear for sale things on mw-raves.  even
> though in the five years i've been on this list there have been many. 
> and this could be rave related.

"I'm selling my DAT and my turnables" is fine, "MAKE MONEY FAST! WORK FROM
HOME!" is not. Of course communituy-oriented posts are ok, we just have to
"officially" disallow commercial advertising so I have something to back
me up when somebody is being a nuisance and I have to ask them to stop.

If you have a suggestion for a clearer way to make this point, please let
me know and I'll update the FAQ.

jeff


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On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, lion gv wrote:

> >look at club djs in europe...especially england.
> 
> england is not in europe.

Hawaii is not in the United States. Gimme a break.

jg



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Does anyone know anything about Intellabeams?  I started a new weeklie
residency at a new club here, and they have these...6 of them, with that
big keypad-looking operating thing, and i have *no* cloo how to do it.
I can flip through the pages and make it go buckwild, but I don't even
know how exactly I manage that.
Christ.  I'm a dj, not a visual effects person.

Anyways, if anyone can tell me how to work this thing, I'd greatly
appreciate it!

Smooches!!!
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Anyone going to this??  I'm going to celebrate my sister's birthday =)
 --Jeff W.

 "The finding of DMT in normal human body fluids
 opens up interesting moral and legal questions.
 Since DMT is illegal, as is 'any substance, compound
 or mixture' containing DMT, it would seem that we
 are all guilty of possesion of a controlled substance"
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> as for the trance-core tape, I haven't listened to it yet.  you all know my
> views on trance.  But I'm sure that it's excellently mixed just like the
> happycore tape is.
> 

I'll do my part...

The trancecore tape is also quite good.  I have been listening to it
frequently as of late, as the genre combines two of my preferred listening
areas.  Well-mixed (Craig can beatmatch, I don't think that anyone will
contest that) and the track selection is good.  I *really* like
"Therapy," Craig.  Hadn't heard that one before.

Keen.  Get ahold of him for one (or both) of the tapes.  Good kid.

Always,
Erinaceous
;-}

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On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 chemical@cxo.com wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about Intellabeams?  I started a new weeklie
> residency at a new club here, and they have these...6 of them, with that
> big keypad-looking operating thing, and i have *no* cloo how to do it.
> I can flip through the pages and make it go buckwild, but I don't even
> know how exactly I manage that.
> Christ.  I'm a dj, not a visual effects person.
> 
> Anyways, if anyone can tell me how to work this thing, I'd greatly
> appreciate it!

Sounds like you have the LCD controller.  Go to High End Systems homepage,
and download the manual.

Mind you, I think you need Adobe Acrobat.

http://info.highend.com/hes/lcdib/lcdibselect.html

to see it,

http://info.highend.com/service/manuals.html

to download the manual.


Its one of those things that A: I don't actually know myself, and B, I'd
REALLY have to be there to show you.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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listen to us tonight...  http://www.msr.org

midnight to 2am central time

tonight - from 12 to 1 chrise spinning dark jungle (and probably messing up)
	from 1 to 2   dica spinning a mish-mash of a bunch of jungle stuff

it'll be fun.

chris

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ummm pardon me for asking but who is roy davis jr?


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>>or what about turntablists?? getting sponsored and such??
>
>turntablists are constantly pushing the limits amd put on a damn good
show,
>and i see no other form of dj that is more dedicated or works harder at
>trying to do new things, so yes, i would give up my money to watch
>them...gladly. untill i stop seeing new things.

Turntablists can be compared (negatively) to most techno djs in the same
respect that many do the same set, in the same order, with the same tricks
just as many techno/house/jungle djs do the same set for months with no
innovation.  Hell, the X-Men have been doing the same tricks for
years...But
it's still entertaining everytime I see it.

Turntablism is innovative to a certain degree,
but almost all the people I've talked to who call themselves "turntablists"
are just biting other deejays styles.  Like myself, copying body tricks I
see
Roc Raida do...Or _trying_ to learn scratches that I watched Q-Bert do...
You can apply a body trick or a scratch to tons of different records &
sounds...Just like a techno dj can beatmix and cut between any 2 records.
It's not really what I'd call "innovation"...It's more the tracks and the
sounds
you choose to play.  Is cutting and scratching with some new, underground
record anymore innovative than doing the same tricks with some Vanilla Ice
on the decks???  Well, I suppose you may be broadening someone's
horizons a little, but it takes the same amount of "talent"...And that is
no
different from beatmixing with Neil Landstrumm Vs Aqua-"Barbie Girl"...
How do you define "innovative"?  And what exactly is "talent"?

And of course, there are tons of wack turntablists.  There are tons of
techno
rave deejays who shouldn't be on the decks either.  I still don't
understand
why you tend to see the same shitty deejays on so many fliers over and
over again.  Hell, there are tons of shitty wedding, barmitzva, prom, frat
house
deejays too...Just as there are a few who must shine above the rest...But
who
gives a shit?  It's hardly a topic to argue over.  If you want a party with
all good
deejays, then throw one!  Almost all the best art, entertainment, music,
etc
is DIY and comes from the heart.

My favorite deejays at parties generally tend to be the kids who fuck up a
lot,
but are smiling like mad the whole time because they love doing it (and
they
usually don't get paid and end up spinning first or last). 
I can't fucking stand the screwface ones who are all business and complain
all
the time about everything...They don't dance either.

One aspect I don't understand about rave dj's is the whole "1-hour set"
concept.  I mean fuuuuucccckkkk...Wedding dj's get paid $500 (I'm guessing)
to dj for an entire afternoon.  Rave dj's ask similar prices for one hour
of
their time.  It just doesn't make sense to me.  I can't imagine asking
that much unless it will cost you physical, emotional, or mental trauma
to be spinning.  If I were to play a wedding, I would ask that much
because there is no fun whatsoever in playing that schlocky shit.  But
for a rave?  I still don't understand why djs have to ask for so much
fucking money to do that kind of party.  I got into this one with Mike
Dearborn last year, and never really did get much of an answer.  I mean,
you are going to have several hundred (hopefully thousand) people all
cheering and dancing to your music...Plus getting travel paid for, hotel
accommodations, small furry animals for sexual pleasure, etc.  To ask
that much money on top of that is nutty.  I'll never understand it.

And there is also something to be said for spoon-feed deejays who only play
popular tracks.  One thing that promoters shell out all that money for is
to
get the majority of the people at the parties to have fun.  If the majority
of
the people know & like a song, then what is wrong with playing it?  Hell,
it's great to throw in a catchy song to grab peoples attention before
playing all the newer underground ones.  (I'm playing devil's advocate)

How many of you loved that Daft Punk song that Terry Mullan always
played before it was suddenly uncool to like it because it became
popular???

---Cylert

n.p. - J.B.'s "Taurus, Aries, & Leo"

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umm..dont know whom to reply to since i was trigger-happy with
the <d>elete key and lost the mail..
roy davis jr is a dj/producer based in chicago. he used to be
a part of phuture...which version, i dont remember :>
umm...recently known for his kick ass track 'gabriel' which was
pretty popular late last year when the whole 'speed garage' thing
was happening. it won 'single of the year' award from muzik.
expect a soulful/jazzy shade of garage/house. i wish i can see him
myself, but..
at least i will be at the metro this saturday for roni size :>
who will be there?!?

john.dove
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Subject: |NER| raves on NY Undercover!

I saw the preview for it, it made me laugh my ass off.. Next Thursday @
9PM on FOX , NY Undercover is featuring raves in their show. Its all about
an evil drug dealer who spikes E with strych nine and killing innocent
ravers. and one of the cops goes undercover as a "rave organizer" in tight
black vinyl pants to go try and find the evil drug dealer. haha... i cant
wait

jon/fly kids




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In a message dated 98-03-19 15:51:18 EST, you write:

<< I am looking forward to seeing Frankie Bones as well.  >>


whoah, hey, can someone post the 411 on this one.... i haven't heard about any
Frankie Bones dates yet...

cheers
Blue

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On April 18th, 1998 WRVU and family want you to...

	REMEMBER

Bringing together our friends and family, some=20
of the greatest names in house, hip-hop, and=20
drum =91n bass, to Nashville, TN.  Come share=20
our love in a fresh new indoor/outdoor venue=20
that will set the mood for celebration.

Here=92s the details...

---------------
Club91
---------------
Erick "More" Morillo
Subliminal  Records
New York

Tony B!
DJ/Remixer/Producer
International Hooligans
Los Angeles

DJ Orlando
DJ/Remixer/Producer
International Hooligans
Los Angeles

Gisele Jackson
**Live Performance**
Bringing her "Love Commandments" to the Southeast
Waako Records, New York

Samm-e
Teamsters/Vinyl Boy/Fidelity Flip
Chattanooga

Audio Transit
**Live Performance**
Form Records
Nashville

Brad Robinson
Hardkiss Intern
Nashville

---------------
911 Emergency
---------------
****JUST ADDED*****
Total Eclipse
NY X-Ecutioners (Formerly the X-MEN)
1996 ITF East Coast Champion
New York

Rhettmatic
World Famous Beatjunkies Crew
1996/1997 West Coast DMC Champion
1997 ITF World Team Champion
Los Angeles

Peanut Butter Wolf
Stones Throw
San Francisco

J-Live
**Live Performace**
Payday/Rawshack
New York

Egon & Count Bass-D
The Soul Brothers/Sponge Bath
Connecticut/Nashville

John Doe
Kentucky


---------------
91Abstractions
---------------
A-Sides
Metalheadz Artist Sci-Clone
Owner of Eastside Records
London, England

Bobble
20hz Cartel / Rewind Records
Atlanta

Little Jen
20hz Cartel
Atlanta

Ed Crowell
The Levi=92s Jungle DJ
Hollywood

MK2
M.A.D. Bass Recordings
Nashville

Lary Breaks
Assembly Required
Nashville

Chek
Tweek =91n Peak Productions
Nashville

Mayday
Form Records Crew
Kentucky

---------------
Friends and Family Room
---------------
Flip C (World Conspiracy, Huntsville)
DJ Ron (WRVU, Nashville)
Beethoven (Smiling Face Productions, Birmingham)
Cool Hands (WRVU, Nashville)
Ajani Elles (Nashville)
D-Funk (WRVU, Nashville)
Digital Information Systems **Live PA** (Form, Nashville)

---------------
Chill Way Out Zone
---------------
A full floor of cushion for you to chill back=20
and enjoy the hypnotic vibes of...
91 Noise Crew (WRVU, Nashville)
Tig (Assembly Required, Nashville)
Ambivouac (Mystical Creations, Nashville)

*****LINEUP IS 100% CONFIRMED*****

---------------
Da Venue
---------------
The James E. Ward Agricultural Center (Lebanon, TN)
This is an outdoor fairgrounds with ALL INDOOR BUILDINGS=09
This event with be held rain or shine and you will stay dry
Please dress accordingly (weather in TN is so unpredictable)
**Venue is 30 minutes East of Nashville**
>From Nashville:  	I-40 East 28 miles to Hwy 70 west (Exit 239B)
			James E. Ward Center is 1 mile on right
>From Alabama:		I-65 North to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville
>From Kentucky:	I-65 South to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville
>From Knoxville:	I-40 West to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville
>From Memphis:		I-40 West to Hwy 70 west (Exit 239B)
			James E. Ward Center is 1 mile on right
>From Atlanta:		Get to Chatanooga and follow I-24 W to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville

---------------
Da Price
---------------
$15.00 Admission at the gate (no pre-sale)
All profits benefit the non-profit radio station WRVU
Gates open at 8pm and close at 8am
All Ages until Midnight - 18+ after midnight

----------------
Da Technical Stuff
---------------
Sound and Lighting Provided by Crescent City Sound and Lights (New Orleans)
Visuals provided by Optimystiq

----------------
Da Free Stuff
---------------
Since we are a radio station, we do have lots of friends in the business.
So we managed to gather a mountain of free CDs, T-shirts, records, stickers,
posters, and other stuff that is 100% free.
Much love going out to our friends at:
	Jellybean*Def Jam*Loud*Jive*Mercury*Noo Trybe*OM
	Columbia*Work*Hardkiss*Concentrated Entertainment
	Cajual*Elektra*Hooligan Music*Subliminal*Definitive
	Metalheadz*Spectre*Chippie*BML*Universal*NovaMute

---------------
Da Info-Line
---------------
WRVU:	615-343-7816
**This is important to check weekly**
**This lineup is not complete=85more names will be added**
Assembly Required: 615-780-2909

---------------
Da Other Stuff
---------------
Hotel Information
	All hotels located off exit 238 (5 minutes from venue)
	Make reservations - there is a convention in town that weekend
		Hampton Inn $52.00/night (615-444-7400)
		Days Inn $46.80/night (615-444-5635)
		Best Western Inn $52/night (615-444-0505)

There will be a monster pre-party held at 176 Underground in downtown
Nashville
Lineup Confirmed thus far for April 17th Pre-Party: =20
	Tony B! (Int=92l Hooligans, Los Angeles)
	DJ Orlando (Int=92l Hooligans, Los Angeles)
	DJ Midimack (UC Music, Chicago)
	J-Live **Live Performance** (Payday/Rawshack, NYC)

Vendors interested in setting up shop at Remember=20
please contact me at 615-298-0142

Support those who support you


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Tonight in madison.....

***Spring 3.20.98***

Low fidelity index (live P.A)
(acid basement, milwaukee)

Mystic Bill
(insect, relief, chicago)

Brain
(global energy musik, milwaukee)

Joe-e-nasty
(madison)

J-Root
(formula 52, rockford)

Than
(madison)

AMB
(rockford)

Jammie
(madison)

info:

Beuaty...608.258.0256       

Vibe alive...773.604.1676

Dynamic groove...414.777.3962

Formula 52...815.394.5374

Eternal soul...815.227.6167

==



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I'm planning on heading down to Madtown for this and general
madtown-ness tonight after my radio show (7-9 on 91.1FM WLFM).  I have
room for two people, we're planning on returning Sat afternoon/evening.

email me or leave a message on the stark raving info line: 729-9920.

gregory / dj lo

> Tonight in madison.....
> ***Spring 3.20.98***
> Low fidelity index (live P.A)(acid basement, milwaukee)
> Mystic Bill(insect, relief, chicago)
> Brain(global energy musik, milwaukee)
> Joe-e-nasty(madison)
> J-Root(formula 52, rockford)
> Than(madison)
> AMB(rockford)
> Jammie(madison)
> info:
> Beuaty...608.258.0256
> Dynamic groove...414.777.3962

--
     + gregory trimper + trimper@concentric.net + appleton, wi. usa +
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> >but it takes the same amount of "talent"...And that is no
> > different from beatmixing with Neil Landstrumm Vs Aqua-"Barbie Girl"...
> ----
> what?!? beatmatching is so damn easy compare to, say, beat juggling.
> and that barbie girl song is so damn catchy :>
> damn, i say "damn" a lot.

True true true...I was just trying to say that it takes the same amount of
"talent" to do something like beat juggle a vanilla ice record Vs. doing
the same patterned beat juggle with L-Fudge or some other new shit.
In the same aspect for rave/club deejays, it takes the same amount of
skill to perform a beatmix of some Landstrumm with other interesting
techno Vs a beatmix with some shitty Nu-Nrg club crap.  It's just one
trick.  Someone wrote before me about techno deejays being innovative.
I'm assuming he/she was talking about innovative music.  In that sense,
a disc jock can only be as innovative as the records which are available
at the local record shop...The whole "dj as a musician" is pretty much
null and void if that was the point they were trying to make.  I mean, how
innovative can someone be if their skills are entirely based up
beatmatching
and track selection?  There's only so much you can do...

I'd rather just play some old J.B.'s records...

> i want that 'tableist' shirt that looks like 'titleist' golf thing! 

hahahaha  =)  I haven't seen that one.  I like the Extra Strength ones
that look like the baseball logo.

---Cylert

n.p. - The sound of my washing machine...

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I had a few people ask me for info on my tapes, so I thought I'd just 
repost it. :-)

-craig/spree/xotis
=====
I just finished TWO 90 Minute mixtapes.
One is Happy Hardcore (DJ Spree - Ear Candy)
One is Trancecore (DJ Spree - Dance Till You Drop)

THE PRICING IS PER TAPE:
$3 if I mail it to you.
$2 if you pick it up from me.
$1 if you send me a blank 90 Minute tape and FREE if you get me a 90 
and i don't have to mail it back.

OR! For $5.00, I'll mail you both tapes :-)

DJ SPREE - Ear Candy (HAPPY HARDCORE)
SIDE A:
Devotion (Eruption Remix) - Sy & Demo
Magic Touch - DJ Demo & Audio Assault
Music Man (Robbie Long & Devestate Remix) - DJ Fade
Freedom 2 Dance - Brisk & Vinylgroover
Outta My Face (DJ Brisk's Kick Drum & Bass Remix) - Blitz, Blaze & 
Revolution
Don't Give A Damn - Brisk & Vinylgroover
I Need Somebody - DJ Brisk & Trixxy
The Superior B Side - Brisk & Vinylgroover
See The Light - Brisk & Trixxy
Eye Opener - Brisk & Trixxy
Don't Dare Speak - Who Done It

SIDE B:
D.H.S.S. #1
No Woman No Cry - D.H.S.S.
Moonwalker - D.H.S.S.
Find A Way - The Three Amigos
My Guardian Angel - DJ Vinylgroover
Shooting Star (Ham's Mix) - Bang!
Forever - DJ Hixxy & Bananaman
Time - DJ Vinylgroover
Cloudy Daze (Ham Mix) - Bang!
Follow Me - Force & Styles
99 Red Balloons (remix) - Jimmy J

DJ SPREE - Dance Till You Drop (TRANCECORE)
SIDE A:
Terranova - Digital Manouvers
Back To The Top - Brisk & Trixxy
Rok Da Beat - Brisk & Trixxy
Insomaniak - Rapido
Therapy - Sharkey & Trixxy
Inside Beat - Rapido
Don't Stall - Digital Manouvers
Here To Invade - Trixxy
Ultraworld 5 - DJ Eclipse

SIDE B:
Can You Feel It - Jam & Spoon
Oh Boy - Fabulous Baker Boys (Force & Styles Remix)
Future Trance Project 2 - DJ Quatro & Dizzy D
Final Encounter - DJ Quatro
Discovery - DJ Quatro & Dizzy D
Twister - Metropolis
Arabian Nights - Metropolis
Temporal Rift - Digital Manouvers

If you want these tapes you can either email me, or send $$$ & where you 
want me to send the tape to:

Craig Paulnock
8806 Westmoreland Lane
St. Louis Park, MN 55426

IF ANYONE HAS ACCESS TO A STREAMING REAL AUDIO SERVER, LET ME KNOW 
PRIVATELY, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THESE TAPES UP ON THE NET FOR EVERYONE.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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rote:

> True true true...I was just trying to say that it takes the same 
> amount of "talent" to do something like beat juggle a vanilla ice 
> record Vs. doing the same patterned beat juggle with L-Fudge or some 
> other new shit.

however... beat juggling gets a lot trickier at fast tempos... if you
look at the utterly insane end of things you've got guys like Mark
Newlands beat juggling half measures (ie: two beats of each table) at
270+ beats per minute... so you're looking at doing the cut-pull
back-release-cut sequence twice per second... fuckin' sick, I tell ya...
fuckin' sick... I hear he keeps both hands right over the records and
makes each cut with a different part of his face as he goes through
it...

I thoroughly convinced that the man is not human...

> In the same aspect for rave/club deejays, it takes the same amount of
> skill to perform a beatmix of some Landstrumm with other interesting
> techno Vs a beatmix with some shitty Nu-Nrg club crap.  It's just one
> trick.

would depend on the length of the mix, how it eq'ed and what kind of
fader work goes into it... setting up the beats is only one step...
being able to do it fast and hold it long and chop it up on with the
volume slider, cross-fade, toggles, whatever is taking it to the next
level...

Personally... I don't care how smooth a DJ is... if he's just playing
tracks and doing quick intro/outro mixes then it's crap... 

> Someone wrote before me about techno deejays being innovative.

some of them are... I've seen a handful of DJs who aren't afraid to push
the envelope by crossing styles, taking the high road and working their
ASS off...  Doormouse, Algorhythm and Mark Lancaster are all fine
examples of this...

> I'm assuming he/she was talking about innovative music.  In that 
> sense, a disc jock can only be as innovative as the records which are 
> available at the local record shop...

a dj can be as innovative as they allow themselves to be... learn how to
turn a table off and keep a record at an even tempo using your hand...
learn how to work it up and kick it at 45 or wind it down and settle in
at 33... hook up effects processors and toy with they sounds you get out
of your records... a dj who just shows up, spins a track, does a short
clean mix and then plays another track is doing something that, to me,
is just as boring as a live PA that works off dat... same old, same
old... I don't want to hear the record... I want to hear the record they
way the dj wants me to hear the record... if that means your hard acid
is laced with jungle or your hardcore is laced with hip-hop or you house
is laced with techno... then so be it... but fuck shit up... do
something new...

> The whole "dj as a musician" is pretty much null and void if that was 
> the point they were trying to make.  I mean, how innovative can 
> someone be if their skills are entirely based up beatmatching
> and track selection?  There's only so much you can do...

to move into new territory you've first got to push yourself forward..


-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
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    http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 20 09:49:54 1998
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.The whole "dj as a musician" is pretty much
>null and void if that was the point they were trying to make.  I mean, how
>innovative can someone be if their skills are entirely based up
>beatmatching
>and track selection?  There's only so much you can do...

yeah, techno dj's as "musicians" is pretty much a joke...  especially when
you hear the stuff people like kid koala, cut chemist, and the x-ecutioners
are doing.  I can accept "arranger of music" or something, but until you're
actually making a NEW SONG out of the records, you're not a "dj musician."
And techno, trance, drum&bass, etc djs just aren't doing that.  And don't
even bother responding to this unless you've heard the artists mentioned
above.

chris



From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 20 12:48:02 1998
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> yeah, techno dj's as "musicians" is pretty much a joke...  especially
when
> you hear the stuff people like kid koala, cut chemist, and the
x-ecutioners
> are doing.  

You can put dj shadow on that list.

onelove.
noble

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 20 14:39:50 1998
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Alan wrote:
> 
> Tonight in madison.....
> 
> ***Spring 3.20.98***
> 
> Low fidelity index (live P.A)
> (acid basement, milwaukee)

these kids forkin ROCK!! i'm about ta say fuckit an jus bring_my_kid
along wif me! damn. fer anyone who was poofed out by missin LFI at our
party, i'd defo make sure ya git out ta see them tonight over by Alan
dere hey. you'll be glad ya did. 

bye bye.
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In a message dated 98-03-20 08:54:59 EST, 

<< If possible, please give me a list of DJ's that also spin with CD's in the
Detroit and Cleveland area. Thanks in advance. >>

Does anybody have any info on this, he said it's cheaper for him to burn a few
CDs then buy a bunch of albums

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If possible, please give me a list of DJ's that also spin with CD's in the
Detroit and Cleveland area. Thanks in advance.

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     Talking with some friends from Goa India they say thats how alot of 
     the parties are thrown there.  Of course its more of a lifestyle then 
     a party.  Whole towns would be borrowed for awhile.  The group would 
     be litterally a tribe, maybe as much as 40-60 people.  
     
     I doubt it would work like that around here, but I could see a group 
     of like 10 people pulling something similiar.  It would of course 
     require a level of trust that is not typical in this here parts, but 
     that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.  A group of like-minded people 
     can accomplish alot.


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like a rave commune??  everybody volunteers and then takes a split of 
the whatever is comes in after expenses are taken care of... the 
Teknival idea of Spiral Tribe (rip -1996) is interesting...
They set up a record label called Network 23 and would have a DAT on 
tour with them... they'd record track on the road, mail them back to the 
label... the label would sort out which tracks were fit for vinyl, press 
them and ship them ahead of the tour... Spiral Tribe DJs would then have 
new records to play, plus they'd have some to sell at events (along with 
shirts and drinks- to cover the costs of touring) as well as having 
fresh tracks to trade for more new records to play on the road... The 
Teknivals that they ran in europe were able to succeed without having to 
charge admission... the downside, however, is that the sparseness of the 
North American population makes this next to impossible to pull off.
     
-- 
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    http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm
     
     

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	Are you sure this isnt a old Sascha and Digweed mix cd? The
predecessor to Eastern/western Exposure?


Peace,
Stephen Freshnock

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On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> I just wanted to drop a review of this CD that I picked up the other
> day.
> 
> Hardkiss Brothers, "Northern Exposure"
> 
> Fully mixed, fully flawless, fully amazing.  It is composed of mostly
> trance-like break beats.  The mixing is so flawless and perfect, one
> can't even tell when one song ends, and the other begins.  It takes one
> on a journey through sounds off all types.  Beautiful.  
> 
> If you like the Hardkiss Brothers (or even if you haven't even heard of
> them), this is a must have; it can be found at Best Buy.  Great for road
> trips.  ;)
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Angel O:)
> 
> np: Plastikman: Sheet One: "Plasticine"
> 


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What about Creativity?  That plays a major part for me when I spin.
Especially when I spin ambient.  Using layers, phrasing, and samples in
a way that you end up creating an entirely new song.  From what I
understand, innovation is a product of creativity.  

O:)

> ----------
> From: 	Ben[SMTP:page@simon.wustl.edu]
> Sent: 	 March 20, 1998 1:56AM
> To: 	me; mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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> 
> Someone wrote before me about techno deejays being innovative.
> I'm assuming he/she was talking about innovative music. 
> 
> I mean, how innovative can someone be if their skills are entirely
> based up beatmatching and track selection?  There's only so much you
> can do...
> 
> 

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	Alot of techno djs ive seen bite hip hop djs style, then
incorporate it into traditional flow style. My friend Dj Sin says this
often. "If you dont scratch, cut, etc.. Your just another jukebox".
	Jeff Mills and Claude Young are exceptional Techno djs in this
way. I try my hardest to rock like they do..:D


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On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Oberle, Michelle wrote:

> What about Creativity?  That plays a major part for me when I spin.
> Especially when I spin ambient.  Using layers, phrasing, and samples in
> a way that you end up creating an entirely new song.  From what I
> understand, innovation is a product of creativity.  
> 
> O:)
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Ben[SMTP:page@simon.wustl.edu]
> > Sent: 	 March 20, 1998 1:56AM
> > To: 	me; mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: 	Re: That Dj Thread
> > 
> > Someone wrote before me about techno deejays being innovative.
> > I'm assuming he/she was talking about innovative music. 
> > 
> > I mean, how innovative can someone be if their skills are entirely
> > based up beatmatching and track selection?  There's only so much you
> > can do...
> > 
> > 
> 


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Just a quick question here.
On the CD for the Feb. issue of Future Music there's a drum & bass track
that I want to buy on vinyl, but I can't find it anywhere. I was
wondering if anyone could provide me with some info on the artist or
track.
Here's how its listed:

DJ Daze
-Warp
 (Blair)

Obviously DJ Daze is the artist, and Warp should be the name of the
track (no, its not Warp Records). Blair, I think, is the producer.
Anyone know some other psuedonyms, or this person's full name, or labels
that he/she might be on?
Thanks,
Craig
-- 
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>these kids forkin ROCK!! i'm about ta say fuckit an jus bring_my_kid
>along wif me! damn. fer anyone who was poofed out by missin LFI at our
>party, i'd defo make sure ya git out ta see them tonight over by Alan
>dere hey. you'll be glad ya did. 

i wouldn't suggest going to a beauty party though... they suck.

they threw that vision party a few weeks back.  BLAH.

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> Especially when I spin ambient.  Using layers, phrasing, and samples in
> a way that you end up creating an entirely new song.  From what I
> understand, innovation is a product of creativity.  

> > I mean, how innovative can someone be if their skills are entirely
> > based up beatmatching and track selection?  There's only so much you
> > can do...

if your skills are based solely upoon beatmatching and track
selection....it is *technically* djing....    shit..you dont even need to
beatmatch to technically dj (look at mtv's amp  or most commercial
radio)....but honestly i dont want to see that....   just see someone get
up there and beat match flawlessly the whole nite....using other people's
tracks...   dont get me wrong  it *sounds* nice...but they aren't
artists...they just jukebox it really well.    an artist in my eyes woudl
be someone who cuts, scratches, beat juggles, uses the eq (well)....
techno artists dont scratch much due to their concentration on
beatmatching... but their use of the eq and cutting and dropping the bass
in all the right parts..thats what makes an artist.   

as for ambient ..its very similar to techno/house....  patterns, loops,
smaples are all overlayed on each other into one sound...   as a techno
artist should sound like (not like ajukebox...
track....beatmatch...track...beatmatch  ..but more like
trabeattramatckcktrackbeattrackckmatchmatch   =)   

best artists who spin records: laurnet gaurnier....   the flow......all
sounded like one piece of music the whole 4 hour set.
and of course richie...who used vinyl and live equipment and it sounded
like one piece basically the whole nite  =)

just my mumblings

-mikeyD<--just a jukeboxer

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hay all,

so who all is gonna be at the reprazent show on sat?  I'll be there
brocking out in my new true playaz shirt.

also, does anybody know where to find any good underground hip-hop shops
in chi-town?

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In a message dated 3/20/98 1:22:38 PM, Mindflux wrote:

>also, does anybody know where to find any good underground hip-hop shops
>in chi-town?

If I did, and posted it to this list, would it then lose its
"undergroundedness?"  Just curious.  And just wanted to make a point at
hownit-picky this list can get.

*this was not directed at Mindflux in the least bit

Darrin

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On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, BDisco123 wrote:

>  Let me start from the start,
>  Vacuum (http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~vacuum05/) a little japanese record
> company,
>  has a couple miracle products you might be amazed in.
>  A portable record player (for 12,800 yen, or 100 USD)  which looks like a
>  little plastic candyraverbriefcase.
>  Better:  they also have the 'vinyl killer' for 7,800 yen.
>  It's a little vw bus about the size of your hand with a needle on the bottom
>  and a speaker on the top.  It *drives* around your record at 33 & 1/3 rpm.
 
 
This was featured in Grand Royal number four.
 
mint

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i havents listened yet.....@work  
-mikeD

>The South Park Re-Mix of the Chemical Brothers track.
>Get it at:
>http://www.beef-cake.com/taison/sounds.htm
>
>If you're on a Mac (like me) you'll need something to play WAVE files.
>Get soundmachine 2.70 from a place like:
>http://www.shareware.com
>
>Props to the Witch Dokta for finding the mix for me.
>peaceout
>Loki
>
>loki@worldramp.net
>



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to all who hate forwards....bite me  =)
-mikeD


> INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE
> >> >

INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE

1.   Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully.
2.   Memorize your favorite poem.
3.   Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you
      want.
4.   When you say, "I love you", mean it.
5.   When you say, "I'm sorry", look the person in the eye.
6.   Be engaged at least six months before you get married.
7.   Believe in love at first sight.
8.   Never laugh at anyone's dreams.
9.   Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the
       only way to live life completely.
10.  In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling.
11.  Don't judge people by their relatives.
12.  Talk slow but think quick.
13.  When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile
       and ask, "Why do you want to know?"
14.  Remember that great love and great achievements involve great
        risk.
15.  Call your mom.
16.  Say "bless you" when you hear someone sneeze.
17.  When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
18.  Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others;
       Responsibility for all your actions.
19.  Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.
20.  When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to
       correct it.
21.  Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in
        your voice.
22.  Marry a someone you love to talk to. As you get older, their
       conversational skills will be as important as any other skill.
23.  Spend time alone.
24.  Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values.
25.  Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
26.  Read more books and watch less TV.
27.  Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think
       back, you'll get to enjoy it a second time.
28.  Trust in God, but lock your car.
29.  A loving atmosphere in your home is so important. Do all you
       can to create a tranquil harmonious home.
30.  In disagreements with loved ones, deal with the current
       situation; don't bring up the past.
31.  Read between the lines.
32.  Share your knowledge.  It's a way to achieve immortality.
33.  Be gentle with the earth.
34.  Pray  --  there's immeasurable power in it.
35.  Never interrupt when you are being flattered.
36.  Mind your own business.
37.  Don't trust someone who doesn't close their eyes when you kiss
       them.
38.  Once a year, go someplace you've never been before.
39.  If you make a lot of money, put it to use helping others while
       you are living. That is wealth's greatest satisfaction.
40.  Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a stroke
       of luck.
41.  Learn the rules then break some.
42.  Remember that the best relationship is one where your love for
       each other is greater than your need for each other.
43.  Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it.
44.  Remember that your character is your destiny.
45.  Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.

______________________________________________
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In a message dated 98-03-20 12:20:59 EST, you write:

> >these kids forkin ROCK!! i'm about ta say fuckit an jus bring_my_kid
>  >along wif me! damn. fer anyone who was poofed out by missin LFI at our
>  >party, i'd defo make sure ya git out ta see them tonight over by Alan
>  >dere hey. you'll be glad ya did. 
>  
>  i wouldn't suggest going to a beauty party though... they suck.
>  
>  they threw that vision party a few weeks back.  BLAH.

I agree, no one else on the line for dis party is very good (with maybe Mystic
Bill as an exception, and that's a BIG maybe) these people are only in it for
the money, what with almost all the djs being part of the group that's
throwing it or spinning for free and the fact that they own the space where
their parties are, and they had barely any lighting and shotty sound at the
last one, where's all the money going?
I say just walk in there and tell em that you threw your ticket away already,
you'll probably get in, hehehehehe
Just don't pay 8 bucks

Peace
Doug dabajja

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I got another flier for a party called spring tonight...with a 1-800
voicemail...the promoter is SOL  and esp, and hyperactive are the
headliners...oh along with Juan atkins....and Aux88

where is this one?

-dan



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thsi was postd the other day....dan you had a quesiton about where it was



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Subject: This Friday, Detroit

Sol presents:
Spring

Friday, March 20
Detroit

DJ ESP/Woody McBride tag teaming with DJ Hyperactive
Aux 88 live pa wiht guest DJ Digital
Juan Atkins
K. Hand
DJ Miguel

1.888.sol.beat
presale tickets available



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Detroit, I believe.  Is it supposed to be any good?  My friend wants to
go to this, but I wanted to go to the Roni Size show at St. Andrews.
The Roni Size show is only $5.00 and Spring is $20.00 I believe.  Any
input would be appreciated.

Dan wrote:

> I got another flier for a party called spring tonight...with a 1-800
> voicemail...the promoter is SOL  and esp, and hyperactive are the
> headliners...oh along with Juan atkins....and Aux88
>
> where is this one?
>
> -dan




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Subject: Sunday May 24th

Just thought i would let everyone know about a nice little party goin on iN
Columbus, Ohio  Sunday May 24th.


Pitch Control Productions presents...

CLOCKWORK

Sunday May 24th

DJs:
Terry Mullan
Dieselboy
Sleepy-C
Dough Boy
Kevy Kev
Kevin Cunningham
Mary Watts
Midislut
Jeff Pons
Ed Luna
Bob Sfero
Drift



6 rooms
3 rooms of sound
1 Arcade room
2 Chill rooms
8 foot wall of sound in the main room

18 & over Welcome (id required)
10pm-4am
ONLY $8 @ THE DOOR!!!!!

You could make a weekend out of it Saturday night is TRIBAL
Presented by
Fluid-614-470-3688
& Collective Intelligence -614-470-3839

Remember Monday is Memorial Day no work or school  the next day.

Hope to see everyone there.














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anyone know of a party going on in south bend, indiana tonite? or near about? 


thanks,
Gip


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	Does ANYONE know the Bam voicemail number(s)....I can't find them
anywhere and I need them quick...

-dan



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On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:37:02 EST Dfunkster <Dfunkster@aol.com> writes:
>
>If I did, and posted it to this list, would it then lose its
>"undergroundedness?"  Just curious.  And just wanted to make a point 
>at
>hownit-picky this list can get.
>
>*this was not directed at Mindflux in the least bit

i decided to respond in case others thought this way too.  what I meant
by underground hip-hop shop is a place that carries lots of the small
hard to get labels from the coasts, as opposed to major label mainstream
stuff.  and also has b-boy stuff, cause i'm looking for some good
mixtapes that I might not be able to get up here.
IMHO there definitely are two seperate hip-hop scenes, or maybe a hip-hop
and a rap scene

anyway, enough babbling

cheers,
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anyone from around mpls has a room for one more person
to go to chicago this weekend for roni size??
i know its kinda late, but i just found out the train
is all booked! please call me 647.5657 or 690.8829 if
i am not there. thanks!!

john.dove
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Detroit.

On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Dan wrote:

> 
> 
> I got another flier for a party called spring tonight...with a 1-800
> voicemail...the promoter is SOL  and esp, and hyperactive are the
> headliners...oh along with Juan atkins....and Aux88
> 
> where is this one?
> 
> -dan
> 
> 
> 


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anyone have the scoop on reprazent's stop in detroit tonight??

phone numbers, address, or any details welcome.

++
e d


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This is only there second event, might as well give em the benefit of
the doubt i guess.  Hey if this is another shit party again, dont go
to it!  anyways, there is nothing better to do tonight, except drink! 
Hmmmm....oh yes beer....oh yes!

--alan



---dica!  wrote:
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>
> 
> i wouldn't suggest going to a beauty party though... they suck.
> 
> they threw that vision party a few weeks back.  BLAH.


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> I agree, no one else on the line for dis party is very good (with
maybe Mystic
> Bill as an exception, and that's a BIG maybe)

Brain is really good, throws down tight ass mixes and stuff!

 these people are only in it for
> the money, what with almost all the djs being part of the group that's
> throwing it or spinning for free and the fact that they own the
space where
> their parties are, and they had barely any lighting and shotty sound
at the
> last one, where's all the money going?

maybe the money is going towards better sound and lights? i think its
also a new space as well.  

i dunno maybe im to positive for the whole thing.  that or just
stupid.  who knows......

--alan

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>plus they'd have some to sell at events (along with
>shirts and drinks- to cover the costs of touring)... The
>Teknivals that they ran in europe were able to succeed without having to
>charge admission... the downside, however, is that the sparseness of the
>North American population makes this next to impossible to pull off.
--
not to mention the fact that it feels pretty shitty when someone wants to
sell you a t-shirt for 20some dollars.

i'd pretty much rather pay admission than have people selling tons of shit.
i really don't like most vending at parties. one example i can think of is
that one kid that is always at midwest events with his table full of crap
(glowsticks, candy, cheesy one-sided tapes, and toys). you probably know
who i'm talking about. i get irked every time i see his booth just because
i've never seen him at a party when he wasn't selling something. is he
there for money or for music? now, i don't think the spiral tribe is all
about money or anything like that but i'd rather not have a bunch of people
that came over from the uk peddling drinks and overpriced t-shirts. it
would be way more righteous IMHO to have them intermingling with the crowd
and enjoying themselves.

okay. positivity mode back on. sorry about that.
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Tickets on sale through ticket master.  It starts at 10:00 at St.
Andrews Hall.  Tickets are $5.00.  Thats about all I know.


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i somewhat spin with cd's =)
 --Jeff W.

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 opens up interesting moral and legal questions.
 Since DMT is illegal, as is 'any substance, compound
 or mixture' containing DMT, it would seem that we
 are all guilty of possesion of a controlled substance"
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Jason111 wrote:

> now, i don't think the spiral tribe is all
> about money or anything like that but i'd rather not have a bunch of people
> that came over from the uk peddling drinks and overpriced t-shirts. it
> would be way more righteous IMHO to have them intermingling with the crowd
> and enjoying themselves.

Yeah, they did have every scam known, plus some, didn't they? I have never seen
such a diversified spread of money-making avenues from a single group such as
the viral tribe...beer sales under the table, tapes, videos, games, shirts,
"consumables," etc etc.  Yikes.

gregory / dj lo

np - Joy - Eternal Forthcoming - 91.1FM WLFM Metaphase


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Here is what's still available if you are interested...
First person to respond with confirmation of purchase gets the piece...

Cheers...

For Sale - Gear

Casio RZ-1  -  $160  (Classic drum machine...12 sounds, individual
outputs, internal sequencer, small sampling capacity, MIDI...great for
the Chicago/Djax sound)

Oberheim DX  -  $200  (Crisp and punchy classic machine...individual
outputs and tuning, internal sequencer, approximately twelve sounds,
Awesome!!)

Roland TR727 - $175  (Also from the classic Roland TR-series, latin
perucssion (bongos, timbales, congas, shakers, etc), individual outputs,
internal sequencer, MIDI, fifteen sounds, trigger output to step analog
sequencers)

Garfield Electronics Mini Doc - $100  (Sync convertor with two
assignable trigger outs...accepts DIN sync, 12, 24, 48, and 96 input
while outputting DIN sync, 12, 24, 48, 96, 64. and 384.  A helpful
little toy)

Alesis D4 - $225  (Great rack mount drum box...hundreds of sounds
ranging from techno/house to jazz...four outputs, MIDI, one rack space)

Kawai XD5 - $225  (Amazing drum synthesizer...rack mount, MIDI,
assignable outputs, hundreds of sounds, massive editing
capabilities...two rack spaces)

Please contact Brad at 414.223.3144 or e-mail at synergy@pitnet.net

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Looks like I can combine a little business and pleasure! I'll probably
be driving to St. Louis next Saturday night with my girlfriend. I have
some gear to deliver on Sunday. Unfortunately, I'll be payin' for the
room out of my own pocket, so can someone hook me up with a clean little
hotel that's pretty cheap? Or, if someone has space, I'll take you to
dinner and bring you cool presents...
And, is there anything going on in St. Louis that night (27th or
28th...Saturday). I read about the stuff in Columbus. The guy we're
meeting is driving from Columbus... Weird.
Anyway, thanks,
Vance




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I have all three Northern Exposure  discs, including the rare 2 disc 
origional.  I can honestly say that Sasha & Digweed are absolutly the 
finest DJ's on the scene today.  The mixing, programming, and track 
selection is flawless, plus, it is all real-time mixed, none of this" 
digitally mastered" crap.  As a DJ, I try to play out this kind of 
psychedelic, trancy breaks as much as I can, but to no avail.  I just 
wish more promoters would book this kind of intelligent progressive 
stuff more often.  I think we would all appreciate a break from the same 
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DJing is an expensive hobby!! I should know. I think if I were to take all the
money I've spent on rekkids since I first started... I would have enuff $$ to
buy a really nice car. On hardcore alone I've dropped more than $5000.
Seriously! If a crate of hardcore records has about 80 rekkids and a rekkid is
about $10 (more or less... imports!). I have about 15 crates (that's
everything from old skool UK break choons to some speed core to gabba to UK
happy hardcore)....


Phil

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Before somebody calls me silly for spending all that $$$ for hardcore (I
didn't even mention my jungle selection). Might I remind you I do have a
regular 9-5 (I've been a graphic artist/ office service manager for 5 years...
before that I was a freelance artist... before that I robbed and stole $$$ for
rekkids!!)  to support my vinyl addiction. Besides... DJ hardcore (as well as
other styles of music) makes me super happy!!

Phil

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good morning, kids.  So on a whim I end up in Grammaphone, flipping
through the techno bins.  I run into my friend Ken, who informs me that
Carl Craig was gonna be at Shelter.

Well, I'm all over that stuff.  CC was supposed to be on from 1-3.  he
didn't actually go on until 2:45.  However what I did hear was beautiful.
the most soulful techno I've ever heard.  kinda housy, but hard hard hard
techno with melodic rolls.  was super good.  I couldn't believe that most
of the people at Shelter were jackin', smilin', and generally just having
fun. Word was that even Derrick May was out on the floor, shakin'
his thang.

I left having had a very good night and actually met a few people, which
is a rarety when i go clubbing.  Thanks to Ken for hooking me up and matt
fer drivin' my sorry heinie around all day :-)

			toastman


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me and 3D just got back from indie and I thought I'd share a little story of
hardcore bravado with you... just a little smile for them cats who can
understand...

first of all... there's nothing worse when you feel like a group of people
aren't getting into what you are doing in the slightest... you feel like a
third wheel in motion.  You keep doing what you gotta do right... the old
junglist way... when nobody's dancing to your shit... you don't take offense.
You just keep doing your job... and keep evolving with the crowd at the time.

thats not the amusing thing tho... whats worse is when you've gone into some
really screwed up areas in the past... and battled mc's in chicago and other
states that chose to represent in a "enter the dragon" style in small urban
lofts.  The battles... the real underground hip hop parties... the education
of it all... happens never to be one of myth, right.  Its just one of self
discovery... for those who have really rocked mics and rocked ciphers i.e.
circles of mc's who kick rhymes back and forth... you know what I'm talking
about... The proverbial war and dessimation is not hardly ever the case...
somebody could diss you in a cife... vaguely... or somebody could just display
their talent... and at the end of it all... no matter if the mc is black,
hispanic, white, chinese or alien... you always end up being very real and
complimentary... its the code of battling... usually.  Undeground cifing when
its real is more like a support group for people who talk way too much.

So now picture yourself in indianna... in a suburb... entering a place that
they call fun city... your booked at the last minute to m.c. and thats what
you are booked to do.  Another cat wants to rock on the mic... and you've been
told expressedly that you shouldn't let other people rock the mic esp. if that
person has been known to run and run onto mixes so that the particular d.j.
can't hear anything.  You try to communicate this to the other m.c. walking up
to you... and things get salty... the m.c. (the unbooked one) is at first
seemingly understanding yet at the same time... saying "Yeah... I guess your
flow is alright"  

so you gotta go outside and get some shit out the car for the set... you
leave... and immediately you hear that same m.c. talking mad shit... outside
fun city... in the suburbs... about "That ain't real shit... talking all that
shit about motion... and tactile interswing... touch the outer crescent just
before entering..."  You step up... battle for two seconds... and they back
down.  but the case in point... is that you wasted two seconds of your time
and YOUR set... to be nice to somebody who obviously gwan talk shit about your
style.

There is no battle to be had... even tho, you chastized the said m.c. for
being way to concerned with somebody else's style... instead of elevating
their own... and try to explain politely why it wasn't proper to rock a
microphone.  

"Mc's gwan test better bring that vest... because I'm lyric proof righteous
and all that mess."

I'm 24 years old... I get booked to do this for some reasons that I'm not sure
about... but I still get people coming up to me enjoying what I do... learning
from what I do... and having fun... but there's always gotta be someone out
there EVEN on the mc level and most usually its someone who's NEVER seen the
real side to mc'ing.  Then after I drop my little rhymes in their face, they
gotta be all shady and be like "yeah, we wanna get booked, thats some dope
shit."  when not two seconds before they were making an allusion to the fact
that I wasn't "HARD ENOUGH"  Like me and Mos Def aren't talking about the
things that really matter in this world... DEATH, NEGATIVITY, AND EGO.  I got
better things to worry about... like LIFE, LOVE, and the pursuit of SKILL.

And at the end of all of this... the kid's got the nerve to use the term "God"
with me... Like that qualifies you are down... listen... I never earned the
right in alot of eyes to refer to myself as a god... not even in the 5% nation
sense... it has been seven years since my first conception of 120
philosophy...since King Sun dropped the "Universal Flag"  since saturday
morning cartoons rocked... but see... this is all stuff I lived... saw in full
force... have memories about... speak about on the microphone... add up into
who I am... IT DOESN"T MAKE MY ASS BETTER OR WORSE... so in final

MC"S NEED TO GET OFF THE EGO TRIP AND START ENTERING THE SELF AND THE
KNOWLEDGE THEREOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all add to a vibe... just because I battled to get to where I was on a hip
hop level AND on a jungle level... does not mean MC'S have the right to get
all shady on my ass when its obvious that talent is booked in slots...

If you wanna mc... then I applaud you... and I AM BEHIND YOU ONE HUNDRED
PERCENT... But PLEASE FOLLOW THE BLUEPRINT.  It takes hard work... ITS NOT
ABOUT BIGGING UP YOURSELF AND SHOWING THE CROWD THAT YOU GOT THE INVISIBLE
FLAVOUR.  IT IS ABOUT SYMBIOSIS AND VIBE!!!!!!!

Please, ask anybody about this... whether it be me, or brace, or any other mc
that works HARD AS F**K to do this stuff correctly and like a business.
MC'ING is not about bravado to people like us... MC'ING IS A JOB.  Its a
message we send and convey... ONE OF LOVE FOR OUR MUSIC AND ONE OF LOVE FOR
THE CROWD.

BATTLING in the sense of the word that you use verbal violence and recognize
all unknown foes as enemies SIGNIFIES YOU ARE IN THIS FOR THE WRONG REASONS.
IN TRUTH, YOU NEED TO ENTER THE REAL HIP HOP/JUNGLE COMMUNITY and take a look
at conduct.  I NEVER GET UP INSIDE YOUR TIMESLOT AND TRY TO REPRESENT AND THEN
ACT SALTY WHEN I KNOW THAT YOUR HOUR IS YOUR HOUR THEN SIT OUTSIDE THE VENUE
AND TALK USELESS CHATTER ABOUT HOW SOMEONE'S STYLE IS UNLIKE YOURS.

CHANGE PROVIDES GROWTH AND EVOLUTION!

and really kid... if you knew the flavour... you knew that KID ENTROPY AKA RAW
DADDY HEX IS REALLY JUST WHACK AS F**K.  Believe that... because I never in my
right mind wanna be Synonmous with SUPER MC'S and neither do my colleagues
across the world...

ENTROPIZNIK
Big up to all my massive:  Mos, Pos, Common and NO ID, MC Blackeye, Brace and
the JVC, GQ, Dynamite, Company Flow, Bobbito and the Cenobites, Kool Keith,
and everybody else locking down lyrical venom on the chrome.  My fans keeping
me blessed for being able to speak my dreams... my D.J.'s for being symbiotic
3D, Snuggles, Casper, EYE-D, Phantom 45, Intel, Sprite, R-YN, Flow, Danny,
Chamberweed, Natty, EVOL, Skylab 2000, DJ SKI, and everybody else I've worked
with who's let me become one with the music.  and good looking out to my
girlies, Kitten, Trix, Savanah, Kava, Krystal, and Jeni... strong women...
strong minds... power moves in the nth degree... and finally big up Fatal,
whatever you may do in the future god bless and give love... protected, and
forever cherished... rock rock on, don't stop until dawn.
DON'T FORGET "NEW GUN: CHICAGO" JUNGLE MAGAZINE COMING TO YOU SOON.

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  This Saturday March 21 10pm-6am

Intellephunk and Let It Be Records present

                Interstellar Overdrive


                          DJs.........
                         Apollo
                    Mark Lancaster
                         Derek
                        DJ Pull
                         Roger
                          Jon
                         Brad


       DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS!!!!!


       Very Cool Space,  Nice sound, 
              Cool lights,  5 Bucks...... 
      If you go to Let it be between 5 and 9 
         on Saturday and buy a ticket...
       6 if you wait around for the directions.. 
      Posted on front door of Let It Be at 9........

So there ya go !!!!!!    Guaranteed good time!!!!!

          Hope some of you come down !!!!!!!

 I'll be the neurotic guy in the glasses running around
  keepin shit goin.........    My wife Rachel will be 
  your beautiful hostess  in a black dress I believe, 
                please come say Hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                           Thanks, 
                 Steve and Rachel Seuling        
      

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> (glowsticks, candy, cheesy one-sided tapes, and toys). you probably know
> who i'm talking about. i get irked every time i see his booth just because
> i've never seen him at a party when he wasn't selling something. is he
> there for money or for music? now, i don't think the spiral tribe is all

well   ive seen two major vendors...in the midwest...     Radak and
JJ..(dan does jj's booth in chi from what i understand)....   and BOTH are
VERY MUCH into the scen...as you ...jason..should know  jj threw the IO
series (with the exception of IO3)...and many other beautiful parties...as
for radak....yes he does charge up the ass for some stuff....but have you
ever been to one of his parties???    he doesnt have a promotion name...he
says he doesnt want one...which is all good by my standard.s...if you
bring Delta 9, Ani (from dee-lite), T-1000   and a nice supporting lineup
for 10 dollars ....i woudl support him (and he s in chicago at that)....
he's also had the teamsters for 7.99       

rdont get me wrong...he does make money..but he pumps the scene full of
energy and life.....supplies what *we* need...music.    (maybe at a higher
price than he should)...but he's still the supplier of our focus..music

laters

-mikeyD
ZoikZ!::4.11.98::217.353.5111
                 217.353.5225
               gro.rollin.com



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On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:02:26 EST DaS fLuX <DaSfLuX@aol.com> writes:

>>  
>>  i wouldn't suggest going to a beauty party though... they suck.
>>  
>>  they threw that vision party a few weeks back.  BLAH.
>
>I agree, no one else on the line for dis party is very good (with maybe
Mystic
>Bill as an exception, and that's a BIG maybe) these people are only in 
>it for the money, what with almost all the djs being part of the group
that's
>throwing it or spinning for free and the fact that they own the space 
>where their parties are, and they had barely any lighting and shotty
sound 
>at the last one, where's all the money going?

Uhh, I wouldn't let them use my voice mail if I thought they were wack. 
I've know Nate, the main force behind Beauty, for about 3-4 years now,
and I'm pretty sure he's involved in the scene for the right reasons. 
Maybe Vision didn't go so well, I wasn't there, so I can't say...But I do
know that Nate is trying to put together decent, low priced parties
featuring good, but not necessarily famous, DJs & talent.  Come on now,
the parties are less than $10 - what do you expect, Carl Cox, Roni Size,
Sasha, Digweed, Terry Mullan and DJ Dan in a 75,000 sq ft expo center
with 20 blocks of sound and 80 Cyberlights ?  Of course not !  You get
some decent local Djs + maybe 1 or 2 "pro" DJs like Mystic Bill in a
small loft or basement with decent sound and whatever lights they can
afford (you say the sound was "shotty", but that's not necessarily the
promoter's fault - I'd blame the sound guy).  Sure, they could do better
& hopefully they will.  I'd give them  a second chance before I'd condemn
them.

On that note, did anyone go to Spring last night ?  How was it ?  I would
have been there but I was doing sound at a small loft party in Chicago -
BTW, I will be collaborating with the promoter in Chicago (M.T.M.) to
bring you a small, incredible $5 party in the next couple of months -
ahhh, it's so great to have your own sound & lighting =).

	Joe Carroll - Dynamic Groove / Dynamic Sound & Lighting

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 22 00:07:38 1998
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tonight dronetek is throwing together a little renegade...its going to be
taking place at the same warehouse where Klepton was (400 East 2nd Ave).

Quick Directions:

>From the S take 71 N, from the N take 71 S
>From the E or W take 70 to 71 N

take the 11th Ave exit, make a right onto 11th Ave. (from the N make a
left)

drive a couple of blocks to Cleveland ave, take a right and follow
Cleveland ave S for 10 blocks, to 2nd ave.

go right on 2nd ave and find 400 e. (2nd ave on the R.) just start looking
for a concrete loading ramp you drive up, its before a railroad overpass.

admission is of course free, and if you want to spin just show up with
your records, we'll make a slot available for you. things will probably
kick off around 10:30-11 and go till ?

expect mostly evil jungle and dark techno.

    randy / pr0zac


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>anyone know of a party going on in south bend, indiana tonite? or near
about?

This is a little late, but....

It was '4 turntables and a microphone' basically it was supposed to have 2
dj battles, but ended up only having one - DJ TopSpeed vs. Danny the
Wildchild. DJ Strychine was supposed to go vs. DJ Abstrakt, but i don't
think it happened. Danny the Wildchild was awesome - just though i might
throw that in. :)

[orbital]@mp3rave - efnet


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Um just wanted to say that u can get a brand new Numark DM1100X from Pro
Sound and Stage lighting for under 180 bux i believe. ...brand new and
with warranty. :) 

Mikhail


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okay, i guess maybe i don't have a problem with all vending. just consumer
garbage like candy and glowsticks. who this radak person is, i don't know.
_if_ he's the guy i was thinking of: no, i haven't been to his parties.
they might be good, sure. i'm not going to debate that point. i said that
_i_ haven't seen him (him being the unknown vendor. don't go assuming that
i'm slagging your buddy, "radak") at parties besides behind his booth. now
jj, on the other hand, is a really awesome person. he shows mad support for
the scene and has thrown together some great (tho disorganized) events, IO1
and memorial being the two which stood out the most.
assuming that radak _is_ the unknown vendor, as for how expensive his
"products" cos: i don't care how much he charges for his crap. i just wish
he wasn't selling it at all. oh well. if wishes were horses and beggars
could ride...

it comes down to this: i go to parties for music.

it's just that it really bugs me that people associate candy and toys and
glowsticks with raves so much that some guy decided to set up a cute little
ravey table and sell them to all the cute little ravers who are so swilled,
milled, or pilled that they don't care. i guess sometimes you just really
_need_ a glowstick... personally, i don't associate anything with parties
besides music. i have no problem with tape vendors because they are
spreading the music out, but i'm always leery of buying tapes off vendors i
don't know, simply because i've gotten so many bad copies and other crap.
one person i know i can trust to deliver the goods, though, is jj. i've
never gotten a shoddy tape from that guy.  as for "radak," i remember a few
months back a few people were complaining that they got ripped off with
some one-sided, low quality tapes from some midwest vendor. was that him?

now how about another issue: mix tapes cost too fucking much money. geez,
that thread could really go off.
____________________________________________________
   jason tertadian                    ====   ====
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*rant alert*be warned

so the second that reprazent tickets went on sale, I bought mine, a month
or so ago.  they said 18-up, no prob I'm 23.
the date finally rolls around, I drive to chi-town a day early, cause I
havent been there in almost a year.  hook up w/ an old friend, meet roni
size in gramaphone, and just generally get all psyched up.  9:30 show up
at the metro and they won't let me in.  there is a production error w/
some MN IDs that makes the colors go all weird.  mine looks like I had
REALLY bad sunburn on my forehead and part of my cheeks.  apparently that
means that they were unable to see if it was me on my id.  all they did
was look at the id and see that it was fucked, they didn't even attempt
to see if it was me.  this was proven b/c my friend has a washington
state id and the date is almost impossible to find, and all the security
guy did was glance at it and go ok.  so after fruitlessly arguing w/ the
head of security, I got to drive straight home w/o seeing reprazent

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test. delete

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did anybody go to the source party on the 21st?  i heard about it from
someones infoline, but they didn't give the number for source, and the one i
had (from like 96) was out of service..

i believe it was called bigger and bolder, but i'm not sure.  lemme know how
it went if you did go

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On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Jason111 wrote:

> jj, on the other hand, is a really awesome person. he shows mad support for
> the scene and has thrown together some great (tho disorganized) events, IO1
> and memorial being the two which stood out the most.

You do Realize that the money generated from sales of candy and glow
sticks is one of the means we are counting on to be able to go as all out
as ever for this summers camp out that JJ announced a few weeks ago. I
Have been carrying all that stuff here in chi-town for weeks, and JJ and
paul are adding it shortly. Also the money generated by such "Consumer
garbage" gives us the ability to afford to put out tapes of performers who
deserve to have tapes out but generally don't have "large names" that
demand large quanities of tapes.



> 
> it comes down to this: i go to parties for music.
> 
> it's just that it really bugs me that people associate candy and toys and
> glowsticks with raves so much that some guy decided to set up a cute little
> ravey table and sell them to all the cute little ravers who are so swilled,
> milled, or pilled that they don't care. i guess sometimes you just really
> _need_ a glowstick... personally, i don't associate anything with parties
                                                                    ^^^^^^^

see even you aknowledge that it is a party. Meaning in our case a cultural
comming together to celebrate. Althought music is the corner stone of our
culture, it is imporant to remember that it is a party and people should
have fun. Glow sticks are fun. Some people are really good with them.
Candy tastes great. After all that dancing water is a nessicty. You are
taking your self waaaaay to seriously if glow sticks go as far as to
offend you.  Whats wrong if people like to dance in dark spaces with cool
light sticks?...Seems to make sense to me.

> besides music. i have no problem with tape vendors because they are
> spreading the music out, but i'm always leery of buying tapes off vendors i
> don't know, simply because i've gotten so many bad copies and other crap.
> one person i know i can trust to deliver the goods, though, is jj. i've
> never gotten a shoddy tape from that guy.  as for "radak," i remember a few
> months back a few people were complaining that they got ripped off with
> some one-sided, low quality tapes from some midwest vendor. was that him?


Every once in a while a tape doesn't get duped right. Trust me on that.
even at JJ's booth we have people come back and say. "one side didn't
play" or "the quality sucked". In which case I have them bring the tape
back and i replace it with a good copy.  If people had a problem with
some of Radak's tapes its for just that reason.  I have bought from him
before, and in general his tapes are really good. 

> 
> now how about another issue: mix tapes cost too fucking much money. geez,
> that thread could really go off.

Should we give them away?  We charge 10 bucks for tapes you generally
can't get anywhere else, that are filled with some of the most intresting
music you will ever encounter. They are professionally produced, and the
performers we cover are selected with care.  Mix tapes are not over
priced.  This is just a culture that is obssesed with production quality.
not cheapness, like say the punk culture. There music is really cheap. So
is the sound quality. Diffrent scene diffrent set of values.


And on an end note. If vendors people like us and radek don't sell water,
candy, glow sticks...etc....then more and more venue's will. Money that
could be staying in the scene to keep producing quality events will be  
slipping away to greedy venue owners like the
slim balls at route 66. They charge you 4 bucks a person, and then they
sell everything inside....even glow sticks!  As promoters I think it is
important to select venues that we control concessions at.

_dan__Untranslatable.concept__BrandX productions__Break Beat
down__Xanthous





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Can someone provide me with the sub info for the uk dance list?

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We left madison around 2, because we needed to go to the museum of
contemporary art for an assignment of mine, but never found it.  oh well.
Wandered into hyde park, bought some ghetto pizza at this "italian fiesta"
place, it was alright.  Kicked it around clark street for a few hours,
looking at stuff in gramaphone and untitled, etc.  I will personally kick
the sorry ass of whoever spends $80 for a pair of pants with 69 inch legs.  

The used record shops in that area are the shit!  I found 2 Baby D records
on production house, total cost: $3.03.

around 9 we drove down by the metro, bought slurpees and tried to find
parking.  We ended up (after 40 minutes) finding a spot really close to the
metro.  3D was on with kid entropy when we walked in...  wicked darker
material, with entropy doing a great job on the mic as usual.  Then Jumping
Jack Frost went on, starting with some jazzy stuff and moving through some
darker stuff, then back to jazzier stuff, without those jarring transitions
that grooverider made when trying to do the same thing.  His mixing wasn't
technically all that, but it was good nonetheless.

Then reprazent came on...  A lot of my friends complained that it was a
"rock show" but really, what's the big deal?  How else are they going to do
it when they have live instruments?  I thought it was really cool.  But
then again, I was a rocker for a lot longer than i've been a "raver" or
whatever, and I'm not gonna try and deny that.  as homer simpson says, "i'm
a rocker, i don't care for rules!"  But anyway, they put on one of the most
energetic performances I've seen in a long time.   MC Dynamite knew how to
keep the crowd into it.  And despite whatever my roommate might say, the
diva lady was really good.  I think jon just needed something to complain
about.  Anyhow, the best part by far was "history" where they ran through a
ton of tracks that roni, krust, die, or whoever had worked on in the
past...  They would play like 30 seconds off each one and then switch. I
guess you'd have to see it to understand.  The "its jazzy" extended live
thing was cool too- with a big drum solo and bass solo - wow!  I would've
liked to hear "electricks" and "western" done live.  But I had more fun
than I've had at a "rave" in half a year.  Probably because I didn't have
to look at overdressed teenagers doing their bullshit
pose-and-adjust-the-hat dance.  

Anyway, GQ wasn't there, which was a bit of a letdown.  But oh well.  We
left about half an hour after reprazent was done.  I'm assuming it was
bryan g on the decks, but I heard a lot of people saying jumping jack frost
went back on.   I dont know. I had a blast.  It was definitely worth my
$18.50 plus gas and pizza money.

Thanks to my travelling companions jon and marianne.

chris

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  Friday, i decided to go to Spring.  I thought it was in madison.  I
was wrong!  Spring got moved to Rockford to the ing roller rink ( it
was held in the side room).  I didnt leave madison until about 1:00am.
 Got to rockford about 2:00am, Mystic Bill was playing.  He was good. 
The party got shut down after his set.  I didnt really care for that
too much, but oh well.  Went to the after hours, got kinda drunk and
went straight to work right after. ( left there at 7:00am had to work
at 9:00am ).  
  Saturday, I didnt have reprezent tickets, so i decided to go to
bigger and bolder in chicago.  I left madison at around 10:00pm, got
lost 3-4 times and got to the party around 3:00ish.  I had no idea how
we got lost ( i was asleep for the whole car ride on a account that i
worked 10 hours with no sleep that afternoon).  Anyways, We get to the
party and its shut down.  Damn twice in a row!  We decided  to go to
the after hours, got lost again!  Eventually got to the afterhours ( i
think it was on lake st).  We were told we would have to wait an hour
to get in.  Eventually got in after 15 or so minutes.  it was alright,
 nothing but jungle playing the whole morning.  Got bored after a
while and went home.  
  All in all my weekend kinda sucked.  Although it was nice to spend
some time with friends ( we were lost for 4 hours in chicago, thats a
good amount of quality time) and i met some new people to.  Im hoping
next weekend goes better.

Anyone going to watts up in madison next weekend ( march 28th)?

--alan 


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Does anyone out there know where I can get information
on how to meditate efficiently?

onelove.
noble

"I need your lovin', like the sunshine....."

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>How many of you loved that Daft Punk song that Terry Mullan always
>played before it was suddenly uncool to like it because it became
>popular???
>

Speaking of Daft Punk, I heard their new single at Wildlife last weekend.
Stacey Kidd was mixing it in just as i arrived.  Typical Daft Punk super
crisp production, with atypical full vocals.  Nice song, and enough to get
Paul Johnson jacking in the middle of the dance floor:)

=exit=
-adam-

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At 06:45 AM 4/20/98 -0500, noble&jacqui wrote:
>
>
>> yeah, techno dj's as "musicians" is pretty much a joke...  especially
>when
>> you hear the stuff people like kid koala, cut chemist, and the
>x-ecutioners
>> are doing.  
>
I just saw Swamp pull off an insane hour set using two turntables, a mixer,
three guitar processors(the flange was killer), and a drum machine.
Scratching/battleing/ect. to hip-hop, jungle, breaks, and techno.  

I suppose you should add him to the list.

=exit=
-adam-

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At 05:48 PM 3/20/98 -0600, Jason111 wrote:

>i'd pretty much rather pay admission than have people selling tons of shit.
>i really don't like most vending at parties. one example i can think of is
>that one kid that is always at midwest events with his table full of crap
>(glowsticks, candy, cheesy one-sided tapes, and toys). you probably know
>who i'm talking about. i get irked every time i see his booth just because
>i've never seen him at a party when he wasn't selling something. is he
>there for money or for music? now, i don't think the spiral tribe is all
>about money or anything like that but i'd rather not have a bunch of people
>that came over from the uk peddling drinks and overpriced t-shirts. it
>would be way more righteous IMHO to have them intermingling with the crowd
>and enjoying themselves.
>

That one kid, is probably either myself, or my freind Radek.  While I can
understand not wanting to pay twenty dollars for a t-shirt, we have both
put ourselves through college with this buisness.  We never ask anybody to
purchase anything we sell, nor do we push our merchandise on the people
there.  If you buy a tape that is one-sided, it was a mistake.  Bring it
back, and we'll exchange it for you.  It seems you should be bitter at the
people buying stuff from us, not at ourselves.  If they were not buying, we
wouldn't be selling.

=exit=
-adam-

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On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Jason111 wrote:

> 
> now how about another issue: mix tapes cost too fucking much money. geez,
> that thread could really go off.
> 
I think mix tapes are usually fairly priced.  10 dollars for 90 minutes of
mixed music, for what I could be using to buy a single import record
qualifies as a valid investment in my eyes.  

One thing I dislike about the tapes JJ (and others) sell is that they are
indiscriminately priced as 10 dollars, whether they are 90 minutes or 60
minutes.  Being that you clearly are getting more music by buying a 90
minute tape, I always check to make sure that tapes I buy are 90 and not
60 minutes.

Adam Meadows


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At 11:44 PM 3/22/98 -0500, Adam Leon Meadows wrote:

>One thing I dislike about the tapes JJ (and others) sell is that they are
>indiscriminately priced as 10 dollars, whether they are 90 minutes or 60
>minutes.  Being that you clearly are getting more music by buying a 90
>minute tape, I always check to make sure that tapes I buy are 90 and not
>60 minutes.
>
The majority of dj's don't make 90 minute tapes.  The 90 minute ones we
sell tend to be live sets.

=exit=
-adam-

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On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Adam Tyr wrote:

> At 11:44 PM 3/22/98 -0500, Adam Leon Meadows wrote:
> 
> >One thing I dislike about the tapes JJ (and others) sell is that they are
> >indiscriminately priced as 10 dollars, whether they are 90 minutes or 60
> >minutes.  Being that you clearly are getting more music by buying a 90
> >minute tape, I always check to make sure that tapes I buy are 90 and not
> >60 minutes.
> >
> The majority of dj's don't make 90 minute tapes.  The 90 minute ones we
> sell tend to be live sets.
> 
> =exit=
> -adam-
> 

Oh yeah!!!(winking at adam)!...Most of our tapes tend to be 90
minuets...we have a lot of old 60 minute tapes, but we ask all our djs now
to do 90 if they can if they don't oh well....but we find most of them
jump at the chnace. We also have a high percentage of live tapes... I can
understand the complaint about 90 verse 60 minute tapes...but it doesn't
seem right to me to price them on that criteria...its like a dj who
charges by the hour....besides the diffrence in manufactoring cost isn't
all that much.

-dan
\


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You know, on the subject of vendors, I've only bought tapes from vendors
in Akron on NYE, but the Jeff Mills tape I got said on the outside "90
minutes" but it was really sixty, and the Bad Boy Bill tape I got I
*specifically asked* "this isn't just a tape of his cheesy cd, is it"
because I wanted a live set.  AFter being assured at wasn't, surprise, it
was.  Too bvad vendors like that give decent tape-sellers a bad name.  
Becky


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to revive a perhaps dead thread... i still say fuck 'em.

look at the subject line.

SPRING was at the Ing Roller Rink in rockford.

wonderful false advertising.  big up.

np:  sound raider

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hmmm, becky sounds like you met Raymond... the man who brought you all the
bassrush events in baltomore and dc... his tapes usually suck, he has names..
haha.. but most of the time he buys a tape from jj or radak and dubs them on a
shitty decks and sells them as his own.. or he dubs cds... shit like that...
as for jj's 90 and 60 minutes tapes... yeah, we got a few 60's... but not
many.. everyone wants to do 90's... and jj wants everyone to do 90's.... 90 is
good... and i think $10 is a damned fair price... people seem to forget raves
are a business no matter how underground... when money is involved, that is
business, and for the person who doesn't like glowsticks and candy... hmmm, so
basically if you don't like something it is wrong? if everyone liked the same
things everything would be boring as fuck... try and gain a little
tolerance... you sound like the religious right of the rave scene... get real,
different strokes make the world go round, so what are you talking about
willis?

paul

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This was more than just a "tranceplant," it was a renewal of why I, and
others who attended started raving in the first place.  A crew from LA &
Columbia, MO made this all possible.  Mad props to Jeremiah, Peter, and
all the others involved in making that night happen.  

Venue:  Despite the fact it was a Country dance hall, it was perfect.
Once inside, one couldn't tell what it was.  Huge blacklights on every
column, fluorescent plastic string webbing over our heads, intellebeams,
and this awesome projector.

Music/Sound:  Completely overwhelmingly amazing.  I have not been to a
trance party in such a long time, this was so refreshing.  The system
was great despite a few dj's letting it clip for a bit.  

Vibe:  Wow; everyone was smiling, dancing, happy, laughing, hugging,
communicating w/ each other and making new friends.  Of course, the
freezing temps outside made this even better for hugs.  :)  Tammy & John
had created some flyers about PLUR, and the aspects of why we rave to
help us remember why.  Maybe only 2 people ever disregarded these
flyers.  Everyone had took time out to read them & place the flyers in
their pockets.

Mad props, hugs and kudos to the Tranceplant crew; Tammy & John for
letting Jeff and I ride along, and bringing some mad vibe to the place.
Big hugs to Angie, Heather, Stan, Donna, Josh (a new friend from St.
Louie), & all the others that made this party a blast.

Highlight of the night:  5am:  The party was starting to wind down, &
there were only about 50 people left.  Some of the St. Louis crew
started grabbing people making a big chain; we all joined in w/o
hesitation.  Soon we were all dancing around in a huge circle; smiling,
laughing, & trying not to fall down. ;)  When the circle reached maximum
capacity, we all drew to the center and busted out dancing.  That was
the greatest feeling ever.  The vibe and feeling created during that
circle was so refreshing and wonderful.  We all were united as one big
mass of positive energy.  It made me feel like a kid again.  Thanks you
all; I really needed that! :)

The morning was gorgeous as Tammy, John, Jeff & I made our way out about
6:15 am.  Even after getting home after 8, I still had that perma-grin
on.  That grin will always remain in my heart & soul.

OSB!!!

Angel O:)

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At 09:27 PM 4/22/98 -0500, noble&jacqui wrote:
>Does anyone out there know where I can get information
>on how to meditate efficiently?


did a presentation for my Master's on meditation. there are shitloads of 
books and journals in your local library and it all depends on what type of 
meditation your looking for. they're basically the same with differing 
twists. if you look thru one of the professional journals, make sure you 
look at the bibliographies.  

you just gotta start readin up on it is all.


Gip


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party review... ***little impromptu party #1***

venue: cold, dirty...pretty damn cool.  Downtown Columbus, no heat
tho...brrrr.

price: free.

dj's: um... well, we're all getting better, but hey, we're free

crowd: 15 of our bestest peeps...

lights: the fuses kept blowing, and the lighters weren't very bright

sound: pretty nice, considering the overall "ghetto" feel.

rating: GREAT! little house parties rock, everyone come to our next one.



.lotek
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Oberle, Michelle wrote:
> 
> This was more than just a "tranceplant," it was a renewal of why I, and
> others who attended started raving in the first place.  A crew from LA &
> Columbia, MO made this all possible.  Mad props to Jeremiah, Peter, and
> all the others involved in making that night happen.

Everyone at this event rocked. It was probably the best crowd I've EVER
had the pleasure of providing visuals for at a party in the midwest!!!

Apologies for not making the rounds, meeting people at this event - it
was IMPOSSIBLE to stop rockin' the video screen - the music just kept
flowing! :)

_jason


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> ----------
> From: 	Jason Schroeder[SMTP:jasons@dlab.com]
> Sent: 	 March 23, 1998 3:45AM
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	it was IMPOSSIBLE to stop rockin' the video screen - the music
just kept flowing! :)

No kidding!  That video screen was amazing.  It completely illustrated
exactly what the music should look like.  I want to get one!!!  whee!
All the colors & lines totally were in sync w/ the music; I guess it was
one of those things that you hook up to the sound system and let the
music do the rest!  So incredible!

Angel O:)






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> No kidding!  That video screen was amazing.  It completely illustrated
> exactly what the music should look like.  I want to get one!!!  whee!
> All the colors & lines totally were in sync w/ the music; I guess it was
> one of those things that you hook up to the sound system and let the
> music do the rest!  So incredible!


For anyone else who has this impression:

The video show I provide for events is NOT an automatic show. A LOT of
work, preparation, and technological know-how go into the final product.
Tranceplant was one of those events where I literally mixed video for
almost 6 hours straight. What you saw on friday night was the
culmination of about a years worth of work.

The reason is LOOKS automatic is because I know my equipment. I know my
visuals, and I know what needs to be done to make it look good.

Just wanted to clear this up. I get a lot of people who say "wow - could
we use one of your tapes sometimes for a VCR or something at one of our
parties?" and my response is - "you wouldn't ask a DJ for a DAT tape
would you?" It's not about just sticking a tape in and hitting play.

I am a live performance, plain and simple. I produce, engineer and
perform - hopefully providing the definition for today's Video Jockey
standards. :D Don't accept anything less! 

_jason

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Just a reminder for you Kansas City area junglists:

http://www.dlab.com/jasons/spacebass.html

Tuesday, March 24th!
_jason12

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hey d-troit kidz, lookie here!!
it's a special solar this wednesday, 3/25,
with superstar dj's:
* dj funk  (booty house)   yah, like you needed to be told...
* dj eclipse  (techno)
* alex metro  (techno)
* mike clark  (house)
* dj recoil  (techno)
* 8en  (jungle)
* disco d  (whatever he feels like)

as always, 18+, doors at 9:30, info: 313.913.9738, except that it'll be
$10 this week :(

hope to see y'all there anyway,
**doris**




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Noble,

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, noble&jacqui wrote:

> Does anyone out there know where I can get information
> on how to meditate efficiently?

My advice would be to start where I started.  You can check 
http://www.shambhala.org and browse around there.  I looked up the domain 
of your ISP and see you're in Illinois.  I don't know how close you are 
to Chicago but there is a Shambhala Center in Chicago.  If you browse 
http://www.shambhala.org/centers/chi/ you'll see all the contact info for 
the Chicago center you could need.  At the Center you'll find meditation 
instruction, Shambhala Training (check the above web sites for more on 
this) and a lot of other activities.  If you have any other questions let 
me know and we can take this into private e-mail.
 
> "I need your lovin', like the sunshine....."

Wow...   now *that's* a track that brings back memories.   8-)

Cheers,

- Steven


Steven White
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Did anyone go to this? A friend of mine went and said it was the absolute
worst party he's ever been to. He's now boycotting St. Louis and BAM
because it was so bad.

any other opinions? was it just him?

anyone? anyone?

jason

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yeah I went....
The party was at a club in east st louis, normally an all black club.  So the
crowd that normally goes there on saturdays was there also, not raver
friendly.  As for the party itself well as usual John Acquaviva rocked!  but
then again you have Master P and his possee standin next to you and makin fun
of the way your dancing  it is very hard to have a good time.  Lights were
non-existant, house lights thats all.  Sound was shitty in my opinion, same as
the lights.  No extra gear was brought in.  The worst thing about this event
was security.  Now security is necessary, but damn these guys were brutal.
Throwing people out left and right. The one thing that pisses me off was that
they had a seperate price if you normally go there, the security was letting
the ghetto crowd in for 5 bucks while all the kids had to pay 20...now that is
crap.

Terry Mullan: well he was terry mullan. enough said.
Sluggo: Threw down some good ghetto shit and the homies liked that.
John Acquaviva: was on like donkey kong! he had people moving! 

that is where is semi review ends cuz I left right after john.  That space is
the worst space in st louis mainly cuz of the ghetto element.  As for Bam! she
normally buts on some good shit...but to discredit a city cuz of one party....
dan.

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To anyone who took pictures at Tranceplant in Columbia,

I would like e-copies, copies, whatever. :) mucho appreciated.

_jason

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 23 22:31:19 1998
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Dan wrote:

>  The worst thing about this event was security.  Now security is
necessary, > but damn these guys were brutal. Throwing people out left and
right. The > one thing that pisses me off was that they had a seperate
price if you > normally go there, the security was letting the ghetto crowd
in for 5 bucks > while all the kids had to pay 20...now that is crap.

	I was talking to this guy, Chad, last night who went to Torture Club and
he said the same about security.  He said that he got searched twice, and,
although he cooperated, they were complete assholes about it.  He also
said, since we're discussing security issues, that they didn't allow anyone
to wear hats in the club!  I understand the need for this in some
situations, but if they are recognizing the difference in the attending
genres by charging different amounts, they should also recognize that not
everyone at the event may be gang-influenced or make assumptions about the
influences at the event. 
	
	my $.02 and some xtra change, too...

	piece--
	blanket

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hellow-- i was wondering if anyone knew of any parties going on this friday
evening... please let me know-- thanks.!.
--marisajo.

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We picked up a pair of 1200s this past weekend and I'm going to smoke 
test them tonight.  I should be broadcasting by 7p so hit the above site and 
have your RealAudio player ready to go.  Use the Test Broadcast link on 
the main page.  We're sending audio now (as always ;-) and I'll talk a 
bit before I start spinning.

Thanks and enjoy,

- Steven


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in spite of the ghettoness and the almost all-house line-up, i had a pretty
good time at this party. i met some of the nicest, most down-to-earth people
i've ever met. on the other hand, i encountered some pretty sketchy and
creepy individuals--there were some people (i assume they were regulars at
the club, not party kids) sitting around with the evillest expressions on
their faces, and i saw a few people being held back from fighting. i don't
know if there were any actual fights inside, but there was a gun fight in
the parking lot... 

the sound was pretty muddy, the lights could have been a lot better...the
music was mostly house and 2 junglists in the second room who couldn't mix
worth a shit. john acquaviva was the only dj i really enjoyed except there
was some decent hip-hop in the second room around 3:00 i think. too bad the
crowd in there fucked with me when i dared to dance during that set..."go
white girl!"

as for people not being allowed to wear hats inside, i think that was for
the better. judging from a lot of the people that were there, it's probably
a club policy to prevent gang-related fights, etc. also, i was handing out
flyers at the door for about 2 hours and i never saw them charge anyone less
than $20. i never saw any of the door people be anything less than nice or
fair to the people they were searching either. i talked to one of them for
the whole time i was standing up there and he was a really nice guy. they
weren't about to take any bullshit from people not cooperating, and they did
get rough with one guy who tried to sneak in, but when you go into a club
like that the security have to be bad asses or they'll get walked all over.
i did see some of the security inside shining their flashlights on people
and making fun of the way they dance...

i think if this party was in a better space (and they had music besides
house...) it would have gone off a lot better, but st. louis has some of the
nicest kids i've ever met...plus no one offered me any drugs all night (but
i did get a few offers to go home with drunk old men after the party...ewww)
and it was nice to be able to enjoy myself without meth and acid being
shoved in my face all night. i had a good time...when you're given lemons,
make lemonade. ;)

rebecca.


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Hi!
i'm new to the list and i just had a question...
I guess i should tell you a little bit about myself first.. I am from 
montreal in canada, now you might be asking what the hell is a 
canadian doing on the list, and to answer that i would say, i dunno. 
I have been going to party's for 3 years and i still feel the same 
way whenever i walk into a dark room with sweaty walls and loud hard 
techno playing.. I love going to raves and meeting ravers from 
everywhere, and since i have net access i figured i should meet as 
many as i can.. so.. uhmm. .. 
hello!
 now, for my question.. does 
anybody have any hardcore tapes to trade? I love what DJ Tron does 
and i'd love to trade for mixtapes by him or any other hardcore dj in 
the midwest, i'm always into listening to new tapes and everything, i 
have a ton of tapes too, so if you wanna trade please mail me.. 
peace
mike

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I don't..I thought the party was pretty good..But it didn't compare to the
NYE party that was there...That party was dope...Yeah I though security
sucked...But oh well..We were told that we couldn't wear hats so we took
them back and then they said we could..so that really pissed me off...The
lights did suck and they should have used the video screen like they did
NYE cause if it's there why not use it....ANd the sound in the jungle room
sucked..Jon Ghotti was tellin me how he couldn't hear the snares when he
spun and you need to hear that when you spin jungle..I thought Slugo was
pretty good..but it's typical ghetto house..But I love it..I didn't like
hearin Work It 4 times...and Terry Mullian he's just Terry Mullian..I
wasn't too impressed with him..SOme of the stuff he spun was straight off
this tape I have and I didn't like that too much....John Acquaviva rocked
the house..I loved his set...And in the jungle room Jon Ghotti was good
even if he didn't have a good sound system..Kookie was dope too..I went
nutz durin his set..And the hio hop dj who played Dopeman..mad props to
him..That was awesome..I think they need to find a new place to have
parties..I'm tired of goin to that ghetto club...But it's not as bad as
some places I've been to in Chicago..Overrall I thought the vibe was pretty
good...The kids in St Louis are sooo nice..I even had some come up to me
that remember me from NYE and that made me feel good..Hopefully the next St
Louis party will be in a better location...Another reason i heard the sound
sucked was because the person who was supposed to do the sound backed out
at the last minute and the promoter was stuck with shitty sound...Well
anyway I'm ote..next party review will be X-Cursion in Evansville,In...
James


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I wanted to thank the people who had replied to me about
Contacts/Promoters and such around the country!! I really appreciate
it.  For those who did and requested tapes and such, most are on the
way.  If you do not get anything, don't worry!! We actually just ran out
of tapes because we got so many requests, and there will be more soon
and we do have you on file if you sent us an address.  For those who do
get there tapes and such in the next week, make sure you give us a reply
at SIMPLYCOSMIC and let us know what you think even if you decide not to
use any of our dj's.  We like to have feedback!! We thank all of you
again for any information you supplied to us.  We will be sending out
another general e-mail to the list(s) as soon as we have our new tape
orders in, just incase any other people want to request promo packages
or are looking for Dj's!  If you'd like to be on our mailing list,
please send us an address as well, and we will send some info out to
you!!

Thanks a lot!!

PLURing!!

Miss Bethie
SimplyCosmicProductions
1998

=)


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> Numark Mixer For Sale...DM1100xi....
> BRAND NEW, NEVER USED, WARRANTY,  $225 plus shipping OR BEST OFFER     Contact
> me djfool@aol.com
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*snickers* yes, you would be a fool to pay $225.
especially now that they released the new ones..
i am saving up to buy vestax pmc05pro, baybee!!
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Hey
Steven J just announced on the live audio feed, that he's gonna start 
mixing soon.

tune to-

> http://radiodistortion.com
hit the Test feed link......

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Thanks to everyone who listened to my 'show.'  I'll keep everyone 
informeed as to when things become more regular and what will be played by 
whom.  If you're listening now I'm simply playing a looped CD which I'm 
going to play for eternity.   ;-)

G'night and thanks for listening,

- Steven J


Steven White
http://radiodistortion.com


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I'm trying to get a hold of the promoters for Innocent in Cinncinati next
weekend.  Can someone please email me back with some contact information.
Thanks

Brad

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Brad Robinson
WRVU, RPM/Dance Music Director
Vanderbilt University
Box 9100, Station B
Nashville, TN 37235

(615) 322-3691 <office>		
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On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Strange and Loopy wrote:

> 
> Did anyone go to this? A friend of mine went and said it was the absolute
> worst party he's ever been to. He's now boycotting St. Louis and BAM
> because it was so bad.
> 
> any other opinions? was it just him?
> 
> anyone? anyone?
> 
> jason
> 


A friend of mine, told me that a friend of his thought it was awsome....

-dan


> _________________________________________________________________________
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Well... another DJ Phil Trivia Kwiz

1. Is it true that Jeff Mills played in Chicago?
2. Who was with Lenny Dee at Earthquake? (Actually Who was with Lenny Dee when
he was being interviewed by Massive at earthquake?)
3. Did Ritchie Hawtin ever play Chicago???

there.. 3 simple questions...


Phil

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:35:02 EST PHILFART <PHILFART@aol.com> writes:

>3. Did Richie Hawtin ever play Chicago???

he was at dee day back in 1994.

aaron bennett
black nation records: kalamazoo, michigan
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alright people...i have a question for u...actually a few ones. 

1. Wut do u think is the best format of the night...as far as the musik
goes. What should be played in wut hrs. Choices are : jungle, various
types of house, various types of trance, breaks, happy hardcore/gabber.

2. Wut cool things that are not too expensive can we do at a party to make
people do sum shit...like um...shit....i dunno....bring buncha playDOH to
the party ..u know where i am getting at?

3. Wut kinda fliers u people like most? 3d/cosmic shit? anime shit?
cartoon shit? 2d artwork?

4. Whats the fair price u think an average party should be with somewhat
known dj's with a good venue, sound and lights and a few extra goodies.

5. How do u fucken make people stay until the party is over...instead of
havign everybody leave at 3 am like people do here. But then again mebe
that question will never be answered :)


Anyways...i am trying to get as much input from u people as i can. From a
businessman perspective, yer the end user. The more feedback u give to us,
the better product we will make for u :)

So...on that positive plurry note i sing sayonara
Tsarrio


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IMHO, the best answer to all the questions below is this;

        YOU"RE THE FUCKING PROMOTER, YOU FIGURE IT OUT!!

....haha! seriously though, i think that your party will be all the more
rememerables if you jus go wif whatever lineup/flyer/atmosphere that YOU
feel would be best. we all hear and complain ourselves about how boring
and routine parties are/have become, so go ahead an throw down whatever
forkedup shite y'all think will rock. this may not be good advice fer
throwin a financially successful thang, but i think it is good advice
fer throwin a unique gig together that the people who_do_show up will
remember fondly. me an my evil cohorts are werkin on somehow attaining
the best of both, which obviously_can_be done (i.e. DBN, PURE,
eucalyptus, etc. offa the top of me head), but it seems that ya need a
buttload of $$ ta begin wif ta get there! ;] regardless, fer me the most
rewarding part of throwin parties is seein a floor fulla kids dancin til
dawn, not gettin paid.
   anywhitz, like that recent somebodies was talkin around here about
the promoter as an artist type deal, what they said. it's your canvas,
werkinit to please yourself will ultimately please others much more than
setting out with what "they" want in mind.

love,
-aRNO

oh, an...

Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> 2. Wut cool things that are not too expensive can we do at a party to make
> people do sum shit...like um...shit....i dunno....bring buncha playDOH to
> the party ..u know where i am getting at?

anyone who was at Zen Lunatics last year will fondly remember the "old
skewl videogames" in the corner. :)

> 3. Wut kinda fliers u people like most? 3d/cosmic shit? anime shit?
> cartoon shit? 2d artwork?
> 
> 4. Whats the fair price u think an average party should be with somewhat
> known dj's with a good venue, sound and lights and a few extra goodies.
> 
> 5. How do u fucken make people stay until the party is over...instead of
> havign everybody leave at 3 am like people do here. But then again mebe
> that question will never be answered :)
> 
> Anyways...i am trying to get as much input from u people as i can. From a
> businessman perspective, yer the end user. The more feedback u give to us,
> the better product we will make for u :)
> 
> So...on that positive plurry note i sing sayonara
> Tsarrio

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 A2) Kung Fu sword type sound effects & squeeks, rattling kick drums 
 getting heavier wiht lots of swooshing squeeks, excellent!

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someone posted about needing something to do in chciago this friday...well
this is *near* chciago....  about 1.5 hours      and it will be a pimpin
party (plus its cheap as hell too  =)


Friday, March 27 in Peoria IL
Nuclear Family presents:
SPACE-AGE PIMP
with djs:
Angel Alanis (underground construction chicago)
J.A.W.Z (infinity factorial chicago)
JMC (funk mercenary memphis)
STR8JAKIT (nuclear family peoria)
Maxwell (nuclear family memphis)
Live PA by:
Project 19
Info Line: 1.888.961.5337
only $6 to get in!



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1. Wut do u think is the best format of the night...as far as the musik
goes. What should be played in wut hrs. Choices are : jungle, various
types of house, various types of trance, breaks, happy hardcore/gabber.

     This one is too scary to even attempt to answer. Everybody has their 
opinions on what music should be played at parties.  For me it's dark 
techno,trance, type of stuff.  For others it could be house, jungle, etc.... 
 I think a good variety is important here to appease everybody.  The 
emphasis should be on quality, not the name of the DJ.  On a personal note, 
the more live PA's the better!

2. Wut cool things that are not too expensive can we do at a party to make
people do sum shit...like um...shit....i dunno....bring buncha playDOH to
the party ..u know where i am getting at?

     Silly string and strobe lights, glow in the dark stickers, silly putty, 
free glow sticks to the first 100 people, a place set aside to finger paint. 
 I always thought it would be cool to have some sort of big banner people 
could sign with plurry messages and stuff.

3. Wut kinda fliers u people like most? 3d/cosmic shit? anime shit?
cartoon shit? 2d artwork?

     I think this one has to go toward creativity.   Instead of doing things 
that have been done many times before, ( above examples) come up with new 
ideas.  It's the creative flyers that stick in my mind.  How about flyers 
with different shapes?  As long as you can read them easily ( hate when they 
cram too much shit onto a flyer the size of a post it note.  Hey, there's an 
idea)

4. Whats the fair price u think an average party should be with somewhat
known dj's with a good venue, sound and lights and a few extra goodies.

     Ten or fifteen is reasonable.  Everybody obviously wants to pay the 
least amount possible, but lets be honest, these things do cost quite a bit 
money to put on.  Nowadays, it seems that twenty is the standard regardless 
of the factors that influence the price to begin with i.e. sound, lights, 
venue, DJ's.  Pomotors should charge based on actual cost of production, not 
on some rule of thumb.  I know I'm being wishful here.

5. How do u fucken make people stay until the party is over...instead of
havign everybody leave at 3 am like people do here. But then again mebe
that question will never be answered :)

     Have Dj's that rock play later, free glow sticks for the last 
100people,have some big change in lighting or something after a certain time 
to keep things fresh.  After 5 hours or so of being in the same room, people 
want some sort of change in scenery.  Try setting all the clocks in the 
building 5 hours behind.

Anyways...i am trying to get as much input from u people as i can. From a
businessman perspective, yer the end user. The more feedback u give to us,
the better product we will make for u :)

     Thanks for giving us the opportunity to directly add our two cents. 
 Many people have been bitching on the list lately about how promoters have 
been running raves.  Here's our opportunity people to make a difference in 
the scene one promoter at a time.  If you have an idea let em know! 
 Wouldn't it be cool if all promoters asked people what they wanted at 
parties?  It would certainly improve the vibe in the scene right now.


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Thanks MikeyD!!!
Heres directions if anyone is interested.
Take I-74 into Peoria and exit at 91A University South.
Take a right at the second light (Main)
and a left at the next light (Glenwood)
Party is in Haussler Hall on right.
see ya there.

On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, MikeyD wrote:

> 
> someone posted about needing something to do in chciago this friday...well
> this is *near* chciago....  about 1.5 hours      and it will be a pimpin
> party (plus its cheap as hell too  =)
> 
> 
> Friday, March 27 in Peoria IL
> Nuclear Family presents:
> SPACE-AGE PIMP
> with djs:
> Angel Alanis (underground construction chicago)
> J.A.W.Z (infinity factorial chicago)
> JMC (funk mercenary memphis)
> STR8JAKIT (nuclear family peoria)
> Maxwell (nuclear family memphis)
> Live PA by:
> Project 19
> Info Line: 1.888.961.5337
> only $6 to get in!
> 
> 
> 

--
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I got 2 words for you.......

dunk tanks!!!!
wouldn't that be the shit?  Having like people  throw balls at a
target, trying to sink like i dunno...maybe delta 9?  Delta 9 and a
dunk tank!!  that would be the shit!  Everytime you dunk delta 9 you
get a teddy bear or something!  or maybe insted of delta 9 you could
have dan efex....hmmmmm.  the scary thing about this is that  im dead
serious about this..

--alan



---Mikhail Khaimov <mk9@evansville.edu> wrote:
>
> alright people...i have a question for u...actually a few ones. 
> 
>
> 2. Wut cool things that are not too expensive can we do at a party
to make
> people do sum shit...like um...shit....i dunno....bring buncha
playDOH to
> the party ..u know where i am getting at?

==



"How about a nice warm glass of shut the hell up?"

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well, i dunno.  it was allright.. but the crowd was just horrible.  i
really didn't like the metro atmosphere at all.  seemed more like a crowd
for toad the wet sprocket than roni size.

3d & kid entropy were bumpin, as per usual.  the entropy flows!  nuff said!

jumpin jack frost was good (and i think he spun after reprazent, too)... a
really weird mish-mash of styles.. and it seemed like he was just fuckin
around for quite a bit.  not too bad though.. basically an all-dubplate
set.  good tunes.

roni size didn't come off too much like an egotistical rockstar to me, but
the whole show was like a concert.  MC Dynamite is really really good... he
works the crowd well.  their diva was not too bad, but i do have to say
that her notes were flat as a soda open for three days.  i guess i'm the
only one that noticed this :P

the best part of the show was definitely the History part... when they
played classic Full Cycle, V, and Dope Dragon tunes for four measures, and
then would switch to another song from one of those labels.  awesome stuff.
  also, the It's Jazzy version was especially good live... and i also
remember share the fall (last tune of their ENCORE *laugh*) being pretty
good as well.

what REALLY impressed me was their live drummer.  anyone who can keep time
that well for such an extended, no breaks period of time, has some serious
talent.  their live bass player was pretty good, but i couldn't tell what
he was doing and what was being played off of the synths/computers... 

all in all, it was worth it.  a fun trip, too.  big up the slurpee massif!
7-11 in the hayyyyyyouse!  (same with nesbitts!)  werd!

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..................... brock out with your cock out! .......................
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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, dica! wrote:

> well, i dunno.  it was allright.. but the crowd was just horrible.  i
> really didn't like the metro atmosphere at all.  seemed more like a crowd
> for toad the wet sprocket than roni size.

i spent all night in the damn lobby due to list foul-ups (yea right :P ).
all i really wanted was to hear him drop 'music box' anyway.....i guess he
didn't so i didn't miss much. so far i've missed grooverider twice and now
roni size....at least i got a chance to catch rob playford last year.....
not quite 2 Bad Mice anymore, but still good.

dica drinks too much lemonade,
matt    <------ drinks gatorade



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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, dica! wrote:

> ..................... brock out with your cock out! .......................


mebbee its a good thing I decided to skip the reprazent show, eh jon


				toastman

oh yeah...the other night i was lent 3 CDs in the DJ KICKS series, put out
by !K7    if you like techno, check this series out.  I'm listening to CJ
Bolland right now and Carl Craig and Stacey Pullen are sitting next to me
representing.  THEY FUCKING ROCK LIKE AN OLD TWISTED SISTER VIDEO


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     Does anyone know of anything going on this weekend in Chicago other 
than Soul Revival?  Sunday is my birfday and I want to party this weekend. 
 I already heard about the event in Peoria on Friday, but that's further 
than I want to go.  Any help would be appreciated, partying at home can be 
fun, but I'd rather go out.


     Thanx all,
     E
     ^\\//^
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At 09:57 AM 3/24/98 -0800, Alan wrote:
>dunk tanks!!!!
>wouldn't that be the shit?  Having like people  throw balls at a
>target, trying to sink like i dunno...maybe delta 9?  Delta 9 and a
>dunk tank!!  that would be the shit!  Everytime you dunk delta 9 you
>get a teddy bear or something!  or maybe insted of delta 9 you could
>have dan efex....

I vote to get Boo Williams up there.

KER-PLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

=exit=
-adam-

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>i was
>just poitning out that he puts the money he makes off of his vending
>business back into the wack chicago scene..
--
according to adam tyr, he and radak have "put themselves through college"
by running their booths.

>would you rather have him and his section of the scene...which he
>continues to put $$$ back into the scene...or have walmart, meijer, target
>, etc (big market corporation) benefit from our glowstick, candy, gatorade
>sales???
--
assuming that these vendors actually were putting their profits right back
in, the whole idea of the money staying in the scene is a nice thought,
though just a fairy tale. glowsticks, candy, and toys are made in large
factories by large corporations. if they were being produced by ravers in
raver-owned factories it would be different. it's consumerism.

yes, i would rather have the corporate stores on the outside supplying the
crap. forgive me for being a minimalist but all you need for a party are a
sound system and a space. and that's really all i would like to see. that
is my personal opinion. not a statement of right and wrong.

>again...i _think_ it may be *your* problem with candy ravers...
--
yeah. little fuckers...outta be a law. (sarcasm)

nuff
--
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> Speaking of Daft Punk, I heard their new single at Wildlife last weekend.

speaking of daft punk again, at rave the planet i think it was audio pimp,
well whoever was spinning hard acid and hard house in the "ballroom" at
about 1am, anyway he was playing this acid track that had an alarm sound
on every other beat and the modulation went up and down over several
measures. so i got onto the stage to look at the label and i'm pretty
sure it said daft punk but i couldn't see anything else. can somebody id
it?

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Jason111 wrote:

> forgive me for being a minimalist but all you need for a party are a
> sound system and a space. and that's really all i would like to see. that
> is my personal opinion. not a statement of right and wrong.

Yep, and forget djs, all I need is the sixty-cycle hum of mains power through
not-quite-conditioned amplifier circuitry...

Peace,
Mike
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On the "evil capitalism large corporation" thread, You can ironically
order glowsticks most cheaply as I've seen ANYWHERE from Military surplus
magazines.  White, Green, or Yellow, they come in packs of six.

they're not actually *called* glowsticks in there, of course...some very
official and important-sounding name.

Always,
Erinaceous
;-}

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> > Speaking of Daft Punk, I heard their new single at Wildlife last weekend.
> 
> speaking of daft punk again, at rave the planet i think it was audio pimp,

daft punk comes up *again*    

anyone pick up the new jugnle.sky     its by soul slinger and osme others
(no track info *at all * on it    just picke dup someinfo from liquid sky
store by callin...and they werent all that willign to give info  :(

on the label for one side it has mother teresa  and the lfip has priness
di     and the princess di track starts with the daft punk rif from one of
their tracks (*shrug*  cathc me on which one cuz i dont own there stuff)
and he uses the rift thorughout the track....its almost a remix  but its
not....  more of a parody  =)

-mikeyD
ZoikZ!:217.353.5111



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>Yep, and forget djs, all I need is the sixty-cycle hum of mains power through
>not-quite-conditioned amplifier circuitry...
--
ahhh, so you're into that crazy noize rock stuff.
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>anyone pick up the new jugnle.sky     its by soul slinger and osme others
>(no track info *at all * on it    just picke dup someinfo from liquid sky
>store by callin...and they werent all that willign to give info  :(
>
>on the label for one side it has mother teresa  and the lfip has priness
>di     and the princess di track starts with the daft punk rif from one of
>their tracks (*shrug*  cathc me on which one cuz i dont own there stuff)
>and he uses the rift thorughout the track....its almost a remix  but its
>not....  more of a parody  =)

DJ Soulslinger - Princess Di
DJ Wally - Mother Teresa

i picked up a promo of this a couple of months back... that's what the info
on the press sheet said.

just so ya know :P

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In a message dated 98-03-24 05:52:29 EST, mk9@evansville.edu writes:

<< 1. Wut do u think is the best format of the night...as far as the musik
 goes. What should be played in wut hrs. Choices are : jungle, various
 types of house, various types of trance, breaks, happy hardcore/gabber.
 

 personally,
I put people in order of when I would want to see them if I was going, who I
want 
to dance to and at what hour.....  usually I try to acheive a constand build
of energy
up till the last set, having the most powerful music on just before the last
dj then 
reward those who were strong enough to make to this point then give em
somethin' 
funky and fun to rock out to till the end.......


2. Wut cool things that are not too expensive can we do at a party to make
 people do sum shit...like um...shit....i dunno....bring buncha playDOH to
 the party ..u know where i am getting at?

i think this one is important, although outside of the toys and shit (which
can be
cool dont get me wrong) I think giving away something you can really use
is more important, either bottles of water, or even as simple as plastic cups
and
access to a running water source.. and hey maybe even T.P., god knows the
wack-ass bathrooms at most venues are out before we walk in the door, and a
card stock flyer just doesnt do the trick, you get the idea anyway........


 3. Wut kinda fliers u people like most? 3d/cosmic shit? anime shit?
 cartoon shit? 2d artwork?

it doesnt matter what everybody likes flyer-wise cuz as soon as people do
by the time you have your designed and out, 50 people have done the same
stupid thing, get a new idea, something that seems almost stupid and go with
it, some of the best flyers are the ones with a good line up and make you
laugh and/or dont make any fuckin sense at all...... 
 
 4. Whats the fair price u think an average party should be with somewhat
 known dj's with a good venue, sound and lights and a few extra goodies.
 
generally the best thing to do is get an idea of how many people you can 
hopefully count on getting to show and devide that by your budget that way
youll end up either a little in the red or a little ahead but still keeping
the shit fair.....

 5. How do u fucken make people stay until the party is over...instead of
 havign everybody leave at 3 am like people do here. But then again mebe
 that question will never be answered :)
 
put the best people on towards the end, hey if they dont want to stay thats
cool, some people dont show untill 2 am anyway, personally my favorite sets
from most of my favorite parties were the last dj.........
 
 

and last but certainly not least

my shameless promotion

April 25th
 
Dexagon      more sound, lights, and talent than you can shake a stick at

258.0098
 

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Mike Gogulski wrote:

> Yep, and forget djs, all I need is the sixty-cycle hum of mains power through
> not-quite-conditioned amplifier circuitry...

HEY!  That's one of my favorite tracks, along with this one on repeat for hours
on end:

http://www.concentric.net/~Trimper/7INTER.WAV

gregory / dj lo

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     Just found out that Home '98 was postponed until August.  Thought that 
you all would want to know.

Also on Saturday, the following 2 parties:

Vibe Alive
presents:
HOME '98
28-Mar-98
(773) 604-1676

Mushgroove/Incredibeets
presents:
ENERGIE
28-Mar-98
(773) 509-6869
$10

Keep an eye on the Chicago raves homepage, for frequent updates.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1533/raves.htm


At 01:32 PM 3/24/98 PST, you wrote:
>
>
>     Does anyone know of anything going on this weekend in Chicago other
>than Soul Revival?  Sunday is my birfday and I want to party this weekend.
> I already heard about the event in Peoria on Friday, but that's further
>than I want to go.  Any help would be appreciated, partying at home can be
>fun, but I'd rather go out.
>
>
>     Thanx all,
>     E
>     ^\\//^
>        ---
>
>


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minneapolis was host to a tight, little 
fiesta saturday night... brought to us all
by mpls' favorite husband and wife rave
team, steve and rachel seuling....
(thanks you two!!  about time somebody
 threw a ~real~ party here... )

nice space, 4th level (or so) studio loft
in the warehouse district... windows 
looking out on the fine city... mad bass,
happy-dancing-like-maniacs-kids, 
all smiles, plenty of hugs and just
generally a great fucking time... 

vibe levels at parties have been on the 
downlow here... but shit was jakked and
pumpin on saturday... people were literally
eating up the floor and tearing shit up...
even the infamous substance_p was seen
in the crowd "spreading plurry vibes"... it was
a rare and beautiful night... 

besides, you know it's a good party when 
apollo is spinning the "perculator" and the
local homies are just buggin' their shit inside out..

<mark_lancaster>

n.p.  some ella fitzgerald wailing on kbem 88.5fm...

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:55:36 -0600 (CST) Adam Tyr
<z917792@oats.farm.niu.edu> writes:
>At 09:57 AM 3/24/98 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>dunk tanks!!!!
>>wouldn't that be the shit?  Having like people  throw balls at a
>>target, trying to sink like i dunno...maybe delta 9?  Delta 9 and a
>>dunk tank!!  that would be the shit!  Everytime you dunk delta 9 you
>>get a teddy bear or something!  or maybe instead of delta 9 you could
>>have dan efex....
>I vote to get Boo Williams up there.
>KER-PLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>=exit=
>-adam-

my vote is for wilhelm.  but lets have human excrement, instead of water,
in the tank :)
	XOXO,
	  PRUGH 

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element productions presents

S T A R . K I S S E D .  420

minneapolis 420 celebration

04.18.98.minneapolis.mn.usa

featuring

- JOHN AQUAVIVA . definitive.canada
- SUPA DJ DIMITRI . deeelite.nyc
- DJ SILVER . nyc
- ROBERT ARMANI . dust trax.chi
- RALPH LAURENN . mpls
- THE HELIUM CREW . reach out recordings.la
- JIZ THA GOODS . dc clique.mpls

7 hours
70,000 watts
50 foot long wall of sound
lights and lazers galore

303 presale tickets available starting
wednesday april 15 for $18.00 at

bassment records - 612.823.5741
cynesthesia - 612.824.7126

after 303 presale tickets are gone,
tickets for $20.00 will be available at
the same locations until 9pm the night of
the event

location is 20 minutes from downtoewn minneapolis

full detailed info -> 612.504.1969
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a lil party for 5 bucks went down in downtown minneapolis this past
saturday, and i thought id give a review of it cuz it was such an
unbelievably good time...

"INTERSTALLAR.OVERDRIVE" - 03.21.98 - MPLS
intellephunk productions

SPACE:
fourth floor of some warehouse district building in the heart of downtown
minneapolis.  high vaulted ceilings, awesome concrete floor (supreme
dancing floor!), big windows to look out upon saturday night minneapolis
action.  not especially big, but large enuff for the number of ppl there.

SOUND:
decent enuff for the size of the space, pretty clean.

LIGHTS/VISUALS:
too many fucking lights, which were turned off part of the night and on
the other part of the night.  they had  koolio oil lights on the majority
of the back wall, and a tv directly behind the turntables with various
movies playing (i especially dug the session with "the.shining" while
mark.lancaster was spinning!).

MUSIC:

MARK.LANCASTER
despite the technical difficulties with the ghetto table set up, mark
threw down (as usual!).  lotsa good hard bangy acid tracks. 
'amphetamine', 'toxygene', and loads of other fo on da flo banging beats.

APOLLO
got the fukking party bumping.  lotsa hard bangy acid and tachno.  soon
as he dropped "its time for the perculator", all the ghetto booties hit
the floor and bodies didnt stop moving all night long.  any time he would
cut, ppl would scream for more.

there were tons of other djs i didnt really know, more of a bedroom dj
lineup.  lotsa dope tracks dropped tho.  from swquarepusher, to
plastikman, to a funky breaks session, to herbie hancocks "rockit", it
was slamming all night long.

this party had, by far, the best vibe ive felt in minneapolis in a long
long long long time.  everyone there was there to dance.  party
priorities were in check, for once.

-> shonuff/sidestep


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In a message dated 98-03-24 17:07:21 EST, you write:

> my vote is for wilhelm.  but lets have human excrement, instead of water,
>  in the tank :)
>  	XOXO,
>  	  PRUGH 
That'd have to be one LARGE!!!!!!!! tank, he's kinda big if ya didn'y know
folks.
hehehehehehe

peace
doug

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does anyone know if there will be a +thursday coming up anytime soon? i
know they had some problems w/the last one....so i was just wondering if
there were gonna be anymore....

thanx and blow pops,
sammie =)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 24 23:04:49 1998
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this is my first attempt at a review, so please, bear with me...

as soon as i entered the venue i was overwhelmed with one of the most
positive vibes that i have ever encountered.  99.9% of the kiddies there
were wearing big smiles that were accompanied by even bigger hugs.  i got
there relatively early (11:30pm) and people hadn't really started showing
up yet but, when they did, shite went off!!!!!
venue:  two rooms.  one pretty small w/ concessions and some misik.  both
pretty crowded.  very, very, very, VERY clean bathrooms.  the cleanest
i've encountered since my trip to madison for KISS THE SKY.  added bonus,
tons of toilet paper, soap, and paper towels :)
sound:  the bass was amazing.  the whole room was like being right next
to the bass bin.  it was a tad much for me at first, but it was quickly
gotten used to.  the musik reverberated through my entire body.  even at
the back of the room.  crazy!
lights:  blinding.  they were set pretty high which made trainspotting a
snap.  
djs:  forgive me, i was pretty spun.  i'm not very good with names
either.  i can say that there wasn't one bad dj.  (IMHO)  i absolutely
loved the gabber set!!!!!!  i was totally floored when i recognized the
'dear mister jesus' track.  holy shite!!!!!!!  mad ups to the inventor of
gabber!!!!  
over all, this was a fuckin awesome party!  mad ups to tri quad and
everyone there.  i can't express how much love i felt in columbus.  even
at the after hours.  i hope to see you all at KNEWBORN and INNOCENT...
np: braidey/shadowtek
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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Samantha A Kohnen wrote:

> does anyone know if there will be a +thursday coming up anytime soon? i
> know they had some problems w/the last one....so i was just wondering if
> there were gonna be anymore....

they'll be back again one day.....though not in the super immediate
future. i guess stay tune to 773.509.6437 or MW for updates. 

keep on keepin' on,
matt


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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 04:52:17 -0600 (CST) tsarrio wrote: 

>1. Wut do u think is the best format of the night...as far as the 
>musik goes. What should be played in wut hrs. Choices are : jungle,
>various types of house, various types of trance, breaks, happy 
>hardcore/gabber.

personally, i think it's nice when the evening starts out kinda trancy
ebbs to some slammin hardcore, (early morning) then ends with jazzy
jungle or positive house.

>2. Wut cool things that are not too expensive can we do at a party to 
>make people do sum shit...

anything to get the creative juices flowing.  playdogh is cool, but
messy. finger paint is an awesome idea also.  just be sure that the area
to be worked in is mess protected.  
free stuff is always cool.  bulk discount novelty shops usually have
little party favor items for relatively cheep. these, imho, are nifty to
receive.  there was a party here not too long back, SHAKE IT featuring
CARI LEKEBUSCH ant the first hundred or so kiddies received free
novelties.  glow in the dark doilos, blow up dolls, and other sex toys. 
this theme really fit because the party was mced by ron jeremy.

>3. Wut kinda fliers u people like most? 3d/cosmic shit? anime shit?
>cartoon shit? 2d artwork?

someone gave the idea of fliers that aren't likesay square.  fliers that
really stick out in my mind are big, misshapen colorful ones.

>4. What's the fair price u think an average party should be with 
>somewhat
>known dj's with a good venue, sound and lights and a few extra 
>goodies.

two dollars :)  free would be nice.  but in all honesty, i think twenty
five dollars is the most i would pay for a bomb ass one night event.

>5. How do u fucken make people stay until the party is over...instead 
>of havin everybody leave at 3 am like people do here. But then again 
>mebe that question will never be answered :)

change of scenery is a good idea.  have little contests throughout the
night.  likesay, track id contest, or even carnival like games.  or maybe
even birthday party like games you played when you where little.  (spin
the bottle anyone?)

thank you, very much so, for giving us the chance to help.  good luck
with your event.  enjoy...

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maybe this doesn't really need to go to the list... but... what the
hell, right?  


Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> 1. Wut do u think is the best format of the night...as far as the 
> musik goes. What should be played in wut hrs. Choices are : jungle, 
> various types of house, various types of trance, breaks, happy 
> hardcore/gabber.

I think as long as things are well thought out and you put the set list
together in such a way that there is a flow to the night then you're
ok... this isn't necessarily dependent on the style of music as much as
it is on knowing the djs and being familiar with how their sets can be
put together... you decide how you want things to start and how you want
things to end and where you want them to go in between... but it's
always best to shift patterns around so that it doesn't become a
standard thing where the transitions are house -> techno -> jungle ->
hardcore -> trance -> ambience  (or whatever)...  Ideally, a party
should have at least two rooms and these should contrast each other so
that if hardcore is playing in one room, and people don't like it, they
can check out house/electro/techno in the other room...  
 
> 2. Wut cool things that are not too expensive can we do at a party to 
> make people do sum shit...like um...shit....i dunno....bring buncha 
> playDOH to the party ..u know where i am getting at?

things like toy trades are kind of cool... gather up a bunch of old toys
and then tell people to bring toys and swap them for stuff on the
table... invite people to bring drums along and jam... maybe set up a
space for this (have it well away from the DJ booth so that it doesn't
interfere with mixing)...  Locally there's a group of about 10-15
percussionists that do some pretty cool shit... and whenever I throw a
party (been almost a year now... 'cause... well... shit happens, spaces
are hard to find and the last one was a near disaster during a
disaster... if anyone wants the full story.. e-mail me) I tell them to
bring their drums and sticks and if things are going well (ie: I've
broken even) when they show up I'll let them in for free...
 
> 3. Wut kinda fliers u people like most? 3d/cosmic shit? anime shit?
> cartoon shit? 2d artwork?

unconventional stuff... avoid overused imagery... something that's
unique and stands out... do it on weird paper so that people FEEL the
difference in their hand and want to take a look at it... print
pre-flyers on label paper that will get stuck in different places...
I've found that people generally like stickers... they put them on
things they carry with them (wallets, phone books) and it's like a
little reminder about your event everytime they seem them...

these are all things that *aren't* expensive to do... be creative.
 
> 4. Whats the fair price u think an average party should be with 
> somewhat known dj's with a good venue, sound and lights and a few 
> extra goodies.

look at how much you're spending on the party and how many people the
venue will hold... think about what sort of attendance you'd like to
have, what sort of attendance you're expecting and what you think would
be the lowest number that would turn out... look at your line-up and
think about what a 'fair' price would be for it... look at the sort of
parties that you think were thrown on a similar budget and think about
what they charged, what sort of turn-out they got etc... etc...

imho... not many parties are worth more than $15... and if you're
looking at charging that much (or more) then it might be a good idea to
take another look at how things are put together and decide if
everything on your list is *really* necessary... you don't want to skimp
or be cheap, but throwing money at a party doesn't help nearly as much
as sitting down and seriously thinking things through.
 
> 5. How do u fucken make people stay until the party is over...instead 
> of havign everybody leave at 3 am like people do here. But then again 
> mebe that question will never be answered :)

roll the event back... leave a longer build before the DJs that people
are there to see... don't push it back too late, though... book a local
favourite and have them close the night, if they've got a loyal
following people will stay to the end to hear them...

-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
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>You do Realize that the money generated from sales of candy and glow
>sticks is one of the means we are counting on to be able to go as all out
>as ever for this summers camp out that JJ announced a few weeks ago.
--
super weak (and that _is_ my opinion)

>Also the money generated by such "Consumer
>garbage" gives us the ability to afford to put out tapes of performers who
>deserve to have tapes out but generally don't have "large names" that
>demand large quanities of tapes.
--
since when isn't it up to the dj's to put out their own tapes?
if they are capable of buying records, what is stopping them from picking
up some blank tapes and dubbing them at home? y'know D.I.Y.

>You are
>taking your self waaaaay to seriously if glow sticks go as far as to
>offend you.  Whats wrong if people like to dance in dark spaces with cool
>light sticks?...Seems to make sense to me.
--
personal preference. how about we discuss the environmental impact of
cyaluminescent lightsticks?...just for shits and giggles

>We charge 10 bucks for tapes you generally
>can't get anywhere else, that are filled with some of the most intresting
>music you will ever encounter. They are professionally produced, and the
>performers we cover are selected with care.  Mix tapes are not over
>priced.
--
it costs less than $2, maybe even less than $1 to produce a mix tape in
terms of manufacturing costs. do these dj's want a cushy ride with their
mixtapes covering their expenses? i'm sorry, but it is just not realistic
to charge more than $5 for a tape (again my opinion). alot of the big name
dj's that have been around for a long while struggled to get there. they
didn't charge $10 for their tapes. they gave them away. it's called
self-promotion. it's called dedication. and dedication pays off. i think i
see alot of people looking for short term success.
i can understand where you are coming from in terms of you being a vendor.
there has to be profit involved because _it is_ a business. i just don't
know...the whole business thing bugs me. i'm in denial.

>This is just a culture that is obssesed with production quality.
>not cheapness, like say the punk culture. There music is really cheap. So
>is the sound quality. Diffrent scene diffrent set of values.
--
what particular genre of punk are you referring to? see...the grindcore and
crust people don't give two shits about production (usually) whereas the
emo/hardcore, pop, noise, and garage people hold it in high regard...and
they're still political and D.I.Y. _with_ low prices. the ravers could
learn ALOT from the punks.

>As promoters I think it is
>important to select venues that we control concessions at.
--
i agree. there are always those really awesome parties, though, where there
are no concessions and people are allowed to bring water in. those are the
ones that do it for me.

i'm pretty unfocused right now so i apologize. i gotta run.
--
jt111
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>We never ask anybody to purchase anything we sell
--
the mere act of sitting behind a booth with things for sale is, in effect,
asking people to buy something.

straight up
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j111
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BrightonGage is a group of promoters that would like to announce its web site
at 
                       http://www.brightongage.com
This web site contains some of the best quality laser pointers on the market
which we sell in order to keep the prices to our raves low. Please visit us to
see the many styles offered at the most competitive prices.

Chris Harris

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[WARNING... rant in progress..]

> it costs less than $2, maybe even less than $1 to produce a mix tape in
> terms of manufacturing costs. do these dj's want a cushy ride with their
> mixtapes covering their expenses? i'm sorry, but it is just not realistic
> to charge more than $5 for a tape (again my opinion).

I gotz ta pipe in here.  When a dj makes a mixtape professionally, it will
usually run them $2-4 each to make (duplication, cases, cassette
printing, shipping, jcards), depending on quantity.  If a dj handles
duping themselves, they can get cassettes for $.78/each plus kinkos color
copies for ~ $.50/jcard.

Every dj I've ever known gives away mixtapes, sending out anywhere between
20-200 tapes to promoters, stores, other djs, etc.  Thats just how it
goes.. ever heard of a buisnessman who charges his potential clients for
buisness cards? [no I'm not calling djs buisnessmen]  Also, whenever I
spin, I always have 5-10 tapes and give them away to random people who
liked what I spun.  I am *not* alone in this practice!

Have you ever dupped 100 90 minute tapes?  even with two dual cassette
decks high speed dubbing in parallel, thats ~40 hours.  Plain and simple,
it SUCKS!@#!!@ 

Most of all, djs BUST ASS to make those tapes most of the time.  Sure,
there are probably some djs who just throw something together in 10
minutes then record it once and are done with it, but for the rest of us
mere mortals, it takes a LONG fsckin time and TONS of energy.  I think
they deserve a little kickback for their efforts.

AND records cost a HELL OF A LOT.  I have around $3000 in records, and
thats just in two years.  That's $30 each week, and I know tons of djs who
spend more than I do on rekkidz.  Tables/mixer are another $1000-1500.
Most tape vendors/stores cut a share of the profits to the dj.. in boston,
I got $5 while the tapes sold for $10.  So, at an average price of $3,
with me pulling in $5, if I sold 2250 tapes, I could break even. 

Yeah right.

If you don't think a tape is worth $10, don't pay for it.  But, please
remember that there are people busting their asses, making those tapes the
best possible.  

Why do you think I called my last mixtape "I Bleed For This?" ;P

peas n carrots,
-pete
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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, jawsh decker wrote:

> element productions presents
> 
> S T A R . K I S S E D .  420
> 
> minneapolis 420 celebration
> 
> 04.18.98.minneapolis.mn.usa
> 
> featuring
> 
> - JOHN AQUAVIVA . definitive.canada
> - SUPA DJ DIMITRI . deeelite.nyc
> - DJ SILVER . nyc
> - ROBERT ARMANI . dust trax.chi
> - RALPH LAURENN . mpls
> - THE HELIUM CREW . reach out recordings.la
> - JIZ THA GOODS . dc clique.mpls

Oh, it's a sad state of affairs when a "Supa" DJ gets higher billing than
"Big Dick" Armani himself...

Nevertheless, I'll be there! :)  By the way, kids, my stellar engagement
in Connecticut fell apart and I'm back in the Cities for the forseeable
future...

Peace,
Mike
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I'm wondering if ya will be able to display the record your playing.  I not sure
what that would do to the flow of your set, but it would be cool.

I don't know if it can be encoded into the realaudio stream, but maybe just 
something on the web page.  If ya need help programming it I've got plenty of 
experience with that sort of thing.

Cool to have someone on the list broadcasting.

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Thanks to everyone who listened to my 'show.'  I'll keep everyone 
informeed as to when things become more regular and what will be played by 
whom.  If you're listening now I'm simply playing a looped CD which I'm 
going to play for eternity.   ;-)
     
G'night and thanks for listening,
     
- Steven J
     
     
Steven White
http://radiodistortion.com
     

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Jason111 wrote:

> super weak (and that _is_ my opinion)

????? I don't under stand what you mean by this.

> 
> --
> since when isn't it up to the dj's to put out their own tapes?
> if they are capable of buying records, what is stopping them from picking
> up some blank tapes and dubbing them at home? y'know D.I.Y.

Notice I said high volumes. and btw, if you are investing all your extra
income in records you may not have the money to make "a professionally
dupilcated tape"...see this is a support system...something that exsist in
all advanced communities

> 
> --
> personal preference. how about we discuss the environmental impact of
> cyaluminescent lightsticks?...just for shits and giggles

Sure....what about the automobile?  We should only allow ravers to come
top parties via public transportation.My point is,  enviromental issues
have nothing
to do with this conversation. That is a whole other topic. Raves versus
enviromental impact. One I am not against discussing.


> 

> it costs less than $2, maybe even less than $1 to produce a mix tape in
> terms of manufacturing costs. do these dj's want a cushy ride with their
> mixtapes covering their expenses? i'm sorry, but it is just not realistic
> to charge more than $5 for a tape (again my opinion).

Yup...its your opinion all right.  Just don't buy from us then. Its way to
much work to put something like this together and then work with such a
low profit margin. The time in money out ratio is what would be
un-realistic.  Cause it is a bussiness.  And I have to live.  and if I
spend enought time a week on this with out making any money, I can't pay
the bills....Its not like I live all that great.  I live in a gehtto ass
building on the edge of china-town and I drive an 83 amc concord(and I
work a day job. How many  vegetarians do you know would break down and
work as a grill cook so they can get throught college??) , Im not
trying to complain, but vending at the high road. You have to really care
about the music, to even consider doing this.

I am sorry about babbiling about my life like this, but I feel We are
being called crooks by our dear friend jason here...and its just not
true.


-dan





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I've been thinkin' bout how to make the parties a little bit mo' fly.
Here goes:
1)Keep parties in the same city as posted on the flier..i.e. Meow Mix 
and Spring!
2)Soft places to sit and chill, for me as well as other, when i'm tired 
I don't like to sit on hard concrete, but sometimes that's what ya get
3)$2.50-$3.00 for a damn soda! Vendors!!!
4)No beer! This one's just for me..teenage wasteland, got the wasted 
part right-- i got some girls beer all over my backpack
5)how about a little playground, with swings and monkey-bars
and 6) drop Keoki's tracked out ass in the dunk tank!

my $2.50
Jesse

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just a thought.

my tapes that i've put out have been $5... and i can tell you that they
cost about $1-2 to make, including blanks and covers and labels and all
that jazz (this is the DIY method, mind you).  it takes a LOT of time to
dub these tapes... and assuming you're giving away most of em, you need to
charge this much in order to make up for all of the ones you give away.

but no one ever takes into account how much the records on the tape cost,
the turntables, the stylii, the mixer, or any of that.  there's a lot of
extra costs that never get covered for in the tape price.

but i still agree that sticking to the $5 price is the best way.  sure,
it's tempting, as there's a lot of stupid-ass ravers that will pay the
extra dough if one was to tack it on there.. but many wouldn't, and isn't
making a tape more about promotion, and reaching as many ears as possible
with your tape?

my thoughts, maybe not even directly addressing the topic, but whatever.  :P

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/*FRIDAY APRIL 3RD           TECHNOJAVA 5          WEST LAFAYETTE, IN */

#Techno_Java <5>;

const int START_TIME = 8pm;
const int PLACE = "Wesley Foundation";

void main (DJ's) {
  float cost = 4.00;

  roald_bailey (ambient/minimal);
  ZULU (house);
  Brian_Stuart (acid/house);
  Misfit (&Drum, &Bass);
  Stax (techno[] [bangin']);

} /* end of main*/

/* For directions and questions email technojava@ibm.net with request */

/* More info to come, pass the word */


Yeah this is a small party but its cheap and fun with really good DJs so
come check it out if you are bored on the 3rd.  Purdues in effect, baby!!



Adam Meadows



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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it atleast 2.5 hours?  Just don't want to
mislead.  I know, and have spun for the Nuclear Family at past events and will
vouch for a good quality small town hoe down with plenty o'vibe from max and
all.  Should be worth a trip!

Darrin

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In a message dated 3/24/98 7:53:34 PM Central Standard Time, syadasti@cat.net
writes:

<< Oh, it's a sad state of affairs when a "Supa" DJ gets higher billing than
 "Big Dick" Armani himself...
 
 
YEA, im going to have to agree with mike, I saw dimitri in chicago do a tag-
team thing with silva, and it was fairly painful to even watch, get ready for
him to bust out the old tracks to try to claim some fame....... again,   ive
seen dimitri twice now and can say that perhaps he isnt all that skilled but
his throwing his hands in the air looking for applause gets more than
bothersome. 

of course ill be there cuz I wouldnt miss John Acquaviva (the correct spelling
by the way) and Robert on that many blocks of sound for anything...........

<   brockin out, but leaving the cock where it is...... 

chris

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>/*FRIDAY APRIL 3RD           TECHNOJAVA 5          WEST LAFAYETTE, IN */
>
>#Techno_Java <5>;
>
>const int START_TIME = 8pm;
>const int PLACE = "Wesley Foundation";
>
>void main (DJ's) {
>  float cost = 4.00;
>
>  roald_bailey (ambient/minimal);
>  ZULU (house);
>  Brian_Stuart (acid/house);
>  Misfit (&Drum, &Bass);
>  Stax (techno[] [bangin']);
>
>} /* end of main*/
>
>/* For directions and questions email technojava@ibm.net with request */
>
>/* More info to come, pass the word */

AWESOME e-flyer!!!!


mad props to whomever had this idea :P

___________________________________________________________________________
........... jon/dica ........... jabraun@students.wisc.edu ................
...........................................................................
.. rinsin' out every thursday, 12-3am central time at http://www.msr.org ..
...........................................................................
..................... brock out with your cock out! .......................
___________________________________________________________________________

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Does anyone out there know have Matt Massive's e-mail
address?  I need to get in touch with him this week, but
my computer has fukked up on me once again and all my
addresses have been erased.
noah? fishead?
spanks,
Russ
PS> In an unrelated fukkup with my server, I somehow
got unsubscribed from this list last week.  If anyone
sent me anything, I'd be much obliged if you could  
re-send it.



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Contact and Item info is listed below.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Turntables:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

SL-1500MKII
Call for price
CONTACT: Michael St John
PHONE: 205.586.9300
Fun Media Group
981 N. Brindle Mt Pkwy
Arab, AL 35016

-------------------------------------

SL-1200MKII
$350
Excellent Condition
..with cartridge/stylus
CONTACT: Steve Scarborough
PHONE: 410.335.3136
Bay Country Broadcast Equipment
7117 Olivia Rd.
Baltimore, MD 21220
email: steve 7117@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/steve7117

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Processors
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Aphex Aural Exciter
Condition: New
Price: $100
CONTACT: Mark Musso
PHONE: 803.327.2252
1823-F Heather Sq.
Rock Hill, SC  29732

------------------------------------------------------------------

dbx 166 (Compressor)
2 channel comp/lim/gate
Condition: Excellent
Price: $100
  *
  *
  ******************************BUY IT!!!  I would if I had the scoots!!!!

Alesis 3630 (Compressor)
2 channel comp/lim
Condition: Excellent
Price: $100

CONTACT FOR THE TWO ABOVE ITEMS: Tom Moore
PHONE: 616.344.5636
1411 Howard St.
Kalamazoo, MI  49008

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cassette Deck
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Tascam 112B
Price: $350
CONTACT: Zoe Kamitses
PHONE: 516.267.7800
Hamptons Radio Corp.
Box 7162
Amagansett, NY  11930

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

**Note:  There was a LOT of 'crap' I picked these out of.  It is worth
your time (if you are interested) to follow them through, as they are GOOD
DEALS and come from a reputable source.  Thanks, you're welcome, and leave
me alone :)

Seth



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The second One Night Stand will be April 25th

ONE NIGHT STAND
Louisville KY   April 25th, 1998

Terry Mullan with a 3hr set
Tigger - Trilogy, Eu4ia, Evolution
Blender
DJ Biggs
Seth Clark
Marcus
and others tba

$12 at the door, $10 in advance.

502.569.1969






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May 2nd 1998
Particular Malfunction and Network 10 present
THE RITE OF SPRING

ELECTRIC INDIGO ~ hard wax ~ vienna, austria
ESP WOODY MCBRIDE ~ communique, labworks, DBN ~ minneapolis
DAN EFEX ~ time unlimited ~ chicago
MYSTICAL INFLUENCE ~ syrous/renegades, vinyl syndicate ~ toronto
MILES MAEDA ~ san diego
DIESELBOY ~ subbase USA, tech itch, 611 records ~ philly

"check out the largest electrorganic habitat that astro-logix has ever
constructed.  it will inspire awe."

sound and lights by log2

$15 presale, $20 door

info:
414.390.1281
414.256.1397
414.256.1350
608.283.3255

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April 4, 1998		Evansville, IN, USA 		X-Cursion

RaveBase Halifax and Cyborg0 Productions are once again teaming up to
bring you the finest in local and midwestern talents as well as some
international guests.

- DJ NoKtUrNaL - Toronto, Canada
  Level 9.0 Musik Productions, Kan.D Crew
  Spinnin' breaks, house and other funky stuff on 3 dexx!
- DJ Shiva - Indy
  The Goddess Complex
  Hard stompy techno
- Tsar - Ekaterinburg, Russia
  RaveBase, Kan.D Crew
  Hard and progressive trance
- Jon Gotti & MC Recharge
  Faded, Jungle Mafia
  Hardstep 
- Live TrAnCe tecknoloGEE by 
  Wirefix (Cyborg0) - he has put another tweaking set filled with pure
  analog riffs and hard bouncy bass for your listening and dancing
  pleasure

+ Dirty Tony (Evansville), Spytek (Evansville), Nightstalker (Nashville)
+ an exclusive 4 turntable tagteam set Tsar vs. Nokturnal!!

* Cover - 10 $$$
* 15,000 watt sound system by Stage Bros., Evansville, IN
* Lighting and a 110 mW Argon laser by Dynamic Sound and Lighting, 
  Milkwaukee, WI
* Smart bar and tape vending courtesy of Evolution, Louisville, KY


Welp, folx...looks like this is gonna be a big one. For all you living in
the Indiana/Kentucky/Illinois/Ohio area, please come and see that small
towns dont necessarily mean small scene :) 

* The event will take place in a 100% legal venue d/town Evansville with
shitloadz of free parking all over (doesnt mean u shouldnt arrive early to
get the best spot:)
* Doors open at 8 PM!
* It is an all ages event

The directions will be posted early next week
Main infolines : 
- RaveBase HalifaX 812.471.4824
- CyborgZero 618.333.RAVE

- Evolution 502.569.1969
- Superstars of Love 314.994.1114
- SIN 317.871.2289
- Scorpio 921 513.956.8644

email : mk9@evansville.edu (just hit the reply button eh)
www   : spruce.evansville.edu/~mk9

see ya dere :)


Mikhail


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massive@mixcom.com


On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Russell E Schneider wrote:

> 
> Does anyone out there know have Matt Massive's e-mail
> address?  I need to get in touch with him this week, but
> my computer has fukked up on me once again and all my
> addresses have been erased.
> noah? fishead?
> spanks,
> Russ
> PS> In an unrelated fukkup with my server, I somehow
> got unsubscribed from this list last week.  If anyone
> sent me anything, I'd be much obliged if you could  
> re-send it.
> 
> 


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Anyone going to Energy this weekend in Chicago?  Just curious!

*ArasarA*


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Jesse Settle wrote:

> 4)No beer! This one's just for me..teenage wasteland, got the wasted
> part right-- i got some girls beer all over my backpack

hey, i like beer!  ...i think we need ALOT more beer at parties!

beer is good for you.

...but if ya don't like beer, cocktails will do the trick as well.

someday i'm gonna throw a party with free beer fer everyone.

that would be cool.

love,
--aRNO

it's 9:09 am
 
66666666666666 666 66666666666666666666666 666

"He got a bit paper, stuck it down one of the Terror Corps dancers'
G-string, 
wiped it on her minge, and rubbed it on me mates face, nice."

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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, aRNOaRR4 wrote:
> someday i'm gonna throw a party with free beer fer everyone.
> 
> that would be cool.
> 

Well, sort of. I attended a party with open kegs, and everyone was
too tired to go past 3, even if they weren't drunk.


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In a message dated 98-03-25 06:30:27 EST, you write:

<< 
 - DJ NoKtUrNaL - Toronto, Canada
   Level 9.0 Musik Productions, Kan.D Crew
   Spinnin' breaks, house and other funky stuff on 3 dexx! >>


whos he???
weird!

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> 5)how about a little playground, with swings and monkey-bars
> 
Most definitely, and don't forget the twisty slide! 

> 6) drop Keoki's tracked out ass in the dunk tank!
> 
Make sure the tank is big enough to fit his tracked out ego, too!  :P

(I usually don't bash people like that, but anyone who names any
compilation Ego Trip, deserves it)

peace 'n love,
angel O:)
-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-
Keep the vibe strong....
"OSB"   The St. Louis Crew



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well

my experiences with beer have been extremely pleasant. 
I mean...we used to throw house parties and of course they were near my
University so we had to attract college students somehow to lissen to hard
as techno :)
So we would charge 5 bux at the door and have all u can drink beer. We
would go through 4-5 kegs with 200 people :)
The thing is..preppy narrow minded college kids would drink beer and relax
and lay back and den walk around an look at lights and the laser and den
even DANCE! Whereas the raver people who came to the party onli drank the
soft drinks we had and danced too. So it was rilli cool cuz u would see a
frat boy with a baseball hat backwards and tight fitting jeans dancing
next to a girl wearing XXXXXL hoodie :)

Mikhail


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     How about having a bunch of clowns to make balloon hats for people?  On 
second thought, that could be a scary thing.  Evil clowns and stuff.

     What about a water ballon's?  This would have to be at an outside party 
of course.  Slip'n'slide would be neat too.  I always thought it would be 
cool to have a party in some forest somewhere.  The lighting possibilities 
alone are pretty wild.  I think dancing among the trees would be a wild 
experience.  Not quite sure how a promoter would pull this off, maybe find 
someone who's folks own a bunch of land somewhere?

     Just ideas I thought of while sitting here pretending to work,
     E
     ^\\//^
        ---

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Hey- just dropping in on the list to find some good music...

Looking for some good events in Chicago for this Friday and Saturday- coming
in from NY.
Raves tend to be very young here- I assume Chicago too? I wish I could shave
off a few years... does anyone have any suggestions for a good club either Fri
or Sat.?  How's the Tunnel?

I'd appreciate any suggestions- will return the favor for any planning a trip
to NY!

Michael
ps-Oakenfold was fabulous here- how was he in Chicago?  too bad it was on a
weeknight

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2. Wut cool things that are not too expensive can we do at a party to make
>people do sum shit...like um...shit....i dunno....bring buncha playDOH to
>the party ..u know where i am getting at?
>
>     Silly string and strobe lights, glow in the dark stickers, silly
putty, 
>free glow sticks to the first 100 people, a place set aside to finger
paint. 
> I always thought it would be cool to have some sort of big banner people 
>could sign with plurry messages and stuff.

i think it would be awesome to cover an area of the walls with a bunch of
butcher paper or kraft paper (which are both really cheap and come in big
long rolls) and then have a lot of finger paints and pens and crayons and
chalk around for people to draw and paint... we used to do this on the walls
of a co-op i used to live in when we had parties and coffeehouses.  it was
really fun, and instead of people making their own pictures, everyone was
drawing on the same mural-sized picture.  have someone around maybe to put
up more paper when space runs out and to keep the drawing stuff in the
drawing area ('cause having a bunch of markers lying around makes tagging
soooooo easy)

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> I am sorry about babbiling about my life like this, but I feel We are
> being called crooks by our dear friend jason here...and its just not
> true.

You're right it's not true... I don't believe Jason ever called
anyone a crook.  He's just expressing his opinion; one that I happen
to share.

I don't care for any vending at all, either.

>This is just a culture that is obssesed with production quality.
>not cheapness, like say the punk culture. There music is really cheap. So
>is the sound quality. Diffrent scene diffrent set of values.

If this really were a culture that is "obsessed" with production
quality, you'd be burning digital CDRs, not making analog magnetic
copies on to tape.  And I'm not a punk, but I know several and

And I'm not a punk, but I know several and have enough understanding
of their culture to be offended.  The majority of techno mixtapes
are recordings of someone playing records of other peoples' music.
At least a punk tape is of a whole group of artists playing their own
instruments.

Just _my_ opinion...




- Craig

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> /*FRIDAY APRIL 3RD           TECHNOJAVA 5          WEST LAFAYETTE, IN */

Okay, I'm a geek and this makes sense to me, but I thought that's
probably one of the best eflyers I've ever seen.

:)



- Craig


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MARCH 26TH, THURSDAY @ THE LIAR'S CLUB 1998 21+  NO COVER 1665 W. FULLERTON 

SEMICONSCIOUS AND COSMIC BREAKS RECORDINGS PRESENT:

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CHAMBERWEED -  cosmic breaks resident / brockout president

NATTY -  pure ragga for the roots junglists, seen

with special guest MC -  ANACHRON - multi-phonics and audio-freaking-sonics
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starts at 9 pm so get there early...

directions and info SEMICONSCIOUS - 630-585-4056

and stay tuned for SHAOLIN III NEXT MONTH : THE RETURN OF DJ EYE-D (MOKUM/COOL
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until next time

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entropiznik

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call 330 BASS for the info (330) 849-0401

spread the word over there, thanks.

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"can have what you want... not take what you want." - no i.d.

figured i'd throw a bunch of reviews and stuff in one letter so here goes

RONI SIZE @ THE METRO - first of all, much love to all of you who gave 3d and
i big ups... we love you guys as well... and if it weren't for you, i don't
think we'd locked in our bedrooms doing beats and talking to ourselves...
right on.  I figure that with roni... its like this... for the dubplates alone
that frost dropped (including that redman vocal track in the first set...) it
was worth 21$ to salivate over whats gwan come in the next six months...  but
the live show... yeah onalee was singing kinda of flat after the fact... but
she did bring some energy... my opinion on the drumming yeah was supra high...
except... it seemed in some senses... i kept hearing the share the fall break
(which i believe was done by that drummer as well) every track... which
drowned out the original breaks... i mean i know they are using that break in
production alot... but its static... its not through the whole song... maybe
i'm the grinch who stole his hi hats... but it meshed everything together...
why the medley really came as a fucking welcome surprise...  rock on... JAZZ
NOTE II by krust... hell yus... and SQUARE OFF

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In a message dated 98-03-24 11:04:23 EST, you write:

> 1. Wut do u think is the best format of the night...as far as the musik
>  goes. What should be played in wut hrs. Choices are : jungle, various
>  types of house, various types of trance, breaks, happy hardcore/gabber.
>  
>       This one is too scary to even attempt to answer. Everybody has their 
>  opinions on what music should be played at parties.  For me it's dark 
>  techno,trance, type of stuff.  For others it could be house, jungle,
etc.... 

personally, i'm most fond of parties w/ 2 seperate rooms - the big room w/ the
headliner DJs and more going on, and the smaller room w/ more progressive
shit, a more intimate vibe, etc.  it lets the partygoers kind of choose the
kind of vibe that they're in the mood for, and switch back n' forth when shit
starts to get old.

also, for me, i totally dig hearing DJs that spin from lesser known genres,
like say, gabberhouse or happy hardcore...
 
>  On a personal note, 
>  the more live PA's the better! 

i second that!!!

>  2. Wut cool things that are not too expensive can we do at a party to make
>  people do sum shit...like um...shit....i dunno....bring buncha playDOH to
>  the party ..u know where i am getting at?
>  
>       Silly string and strobe lights, glow in the dark stickers, silly
putty, 
> 
>  free glow sticks to the first 100 people, a place set aside to finger
paint. 
> 
>   I always thought it would be cool to have some sort of big banner people 
>  could sign with plurry messages and stuff.
  
i don't think i can add anything there... better than  nitrus baloons, i guess

>  3. Wut kinda fliers u people like most? 3d/cosmic shit? anime shit?
>  cartoon shit? 2d artwork?
  
> How about flyers 
>  with different shapes?  

yeah, shapes definitely stand out... TOKYO's flyer was somewhat impressive
shape-wise, and it'd be cool to see more of that... personally, those huge
12x12 flyers turn me off more than anything.  they're way too much and feel
quite awkward in my back pocket... plus, more scaled-down flyers tell me the
promoters are keeping the money in the party, not wasting it on too much
elaborate promotion.

some flyers that i've liked in the past few months - Live on the Decks... i
loved reading the paragraphs devoted to describing the DJs, Detroit Squeeze
had a fun flyer, and GabberJungelWar's flyer was an eye-catcher...

overall, 2-colours always catch my eye first... more DIY

>  4. Whats the fair price u think an average party should be with somewhat
>  known dj's with a good venue, sound and lights and a few extra goodies.
>  
>       Ten or fifteen is reasonable.  Everybody obviously wants to pay the 
>  least amount possible, but lets be honest, these things do cost quite a bit
>  money to put on.  Nowadays, it seems that twenty is the standard regardless
>  of the factors that influence the price to begin with i.e. sound, lights, 
>  venue, DJ's.  Pomotors should charge based on actual cost of production,
not 
> 
>  on some rule of thumb.  I know I'm being wishful here.

i'd definitely agree...  if a weekend comes up and i'm deciding between
parties, i'll always support the 10-15 dollar one, regardless of the names on
the flyer (unless it's a DJ i HAVE to hear)...  a good party comes from the
kind of people it manages to 
bring together.  i never see elaborate lights and super-name DJs as the
ultimate guaruntee that the party will be good.

  >  5. How do u fucken make people stay until the party is over...instead of
>  havign everybody leave at 3 am like people do here. But then again mebe
>  that question will never be answered :)

in Chicago at least, it seems like the only thing keeping people from staying
all night is cops.  maybe the people leaving at 3am thing can be solved w/ a
chill out room - a comfy cozy place where the music won't be louder than
conversation.  a good place to talk will keep people from fleeing to the diner
or the after hours too early.

>  Anyways...i am trying to get as much input from u people as i can. From a
>  businessman perspective, yer the end user. The more feedback u give to us,
>  the better product we will make for u :)

thanx for askin'


cheers
Blue

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At 02:45 PM 3/24/98 -0600, you wrote:

>--
>assuming that these vendors actually were putting their profits right back
>in, the whole idea of the money staying in the scene is a nice thought,
>though just a fairy tale. glowsticks, candy, and toys are made in large
>factories by large corporations. if they were being produced by ravers in
>raver-owned factories it would be different. it's consumerism.
>

Let me forward you all a part of a message i sent to Craig regarding this.
----------
...however, don't think that all the money is going into our pockets.  We
have produced 8 low cost($15 or less) parties ourselves in the past
year(Showdown, Back2Basics, Boom, Wildlife, Organized Confusion, WeRFamily,
etc.), and coproduce every vibeonaut(Voodoo and all the rest) event, and
also team up with various others as well(the list respected Pure, for
example).  Not only that, but with the money we made off of vending, we
have started up 3 record labels(Dusttraxx, Nightlife Collective, and High
Octane).  If you haven't heard about the record labels yet, you will.  And
in addition, we have another company where we book dj's(name one from
chicago, and he's more than likely signed with us).  I'd say we contribute
as much to the scene as anybody in chicago, we just don't go throwing our
name everywhere like many others.  Believe me, without us around the scene
in chicago would NOT be where it is right now, for better or worse.
------

=exit=
-adam-

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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, aRNOaRR4 wrote:

> hey, i like beer!  ...i think we need ALOT more beer at parties!
> beer is good for you.
> ...but if ya don't like beer, cocktails will do the trick as well.
> someday i'm gonna throw a party with free beer fer everyone.

Rock on, aRNO!  I couldn't agree more.  Given its not fer every party, but
there's no better way to end a long night and start off a new day than
with beer.  We've had several free beer free apartment parties here in
Hyde Park that have gone off stellarly minus police intervention for
noise.  Where is Mr. Bamberski when he is needed?  that man was truly a
champion to the cause of getting shitty drunk and raving till dawn.

				toastman


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At 09:24 PM 3/24/98 -0600, you wrote:


>Yup...its your opinion all right.  Just don't buy from us then. Its way to
>much work to put something like this together and then work with such a
>low profit margin. The time in money out ratio is what would be
>un-realistic.  Cause it is a bussiness.  And I have to live.  and if I
>spend enought time a week on this with out making any money, I can't pay
>the bills....
>I am sorry about babbiling about my life like this, but I feel We are
>being called crooks by our dear friend jason here...and its just not
>true.
>
well said.  And what hasn't been mentioned is in addition to the time we
put in, and the production costs, we also have to pay the dj's themnselves
for the tapes.  Which can cost many times what it costs to have them spin
at a party.

=exit=
-adam-

"I am not a crook"

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Check out www.d-rom.com - sample the latest dance music direct from the UK
and vinyls are only $7.99.  They produce a CD ROM  containing samples of
the latest tracks and interviews with DJ's including Carl Cox and Judge
Jules, and some really fierce graphics!.  D-ROM was started in the Uk by ex
rave promoter Mark Pearce - who threw parties in 1990 with the likes of
Sasha (one of his first big events).  Right now D-ROM is being sold by
subscription in the US - and if you order music from their web-site you
receive the next issue free.
Let me know what you think

Cheers
KB  


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Subject: ChatterValve, live techno talk radio RR--mtn-raves


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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:19:30 -0500 (EST) Peter Mannix <peter@pubnix.org>
writes:
>
>[WARNING... rant in progress..]
>
>>it costs less than $2, maybe even less than $1 to produce a mix tape 
>in terms of manufacturing costs. do these dj's want a cushy ride with 
>their mixtapes covering their expenses? i'm sorry, but it is just not 
>realistic to charge more than $5 for a tape (again my opinion).
>
>I gotz ta pipe in here.  When a dj makes a mixtape professionally, it 
>will usually run them $2-4 each to make (duplication, cases, cassette
>printing, shipping, jcards), 
  

I just had some tapes duped.  90 min. Chrome tapes, printing on the
shell, cases, plus J-cards and shrink wrapping.  Total costs - less than
$1.50 a tape.  If you are paying more than that, you are paying too much.
But even still - that's not including the fee we paid to the DJs for
rights to the tape, nor the fee we paid them for actually playing the
party.  So yes and no...if you are the DJ and you are putting out your
own tape, it is very inexpensive.  If you are a vendor, promoter, or
store, it can get more expensive but there is still thousands of dollars
to be made off a single recording of a big name DJ.  You can expect at
least a 50% profit on your first batch of tapes (usually 100) and up to
900% profit on additional tapes sold after your initial investment is
paid off.  But then again - there are other factors to be considered.  If
you have a vending booth or a store, you have overhead, theft, and other
expenses.   So it's not a simple right or wrong, rip-off of fair
situation.  I give some tapes away, I sell some for cheap & I sell some
for $10 - but like it's been said - if you don't think it's worth what it
costs.

	-Joe


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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Magrini, Erik wrote:

> cool to have a party in some forest somewhere.  The lighting possibilities 
> alone are pretty wild.  I think dancing among the trees would be a wild 
> experience.  Not quite sure how a promoter would pull this off, maybe find 
> someone who's folks own a bunch of land somewhere?

i know for a fact that it is possible to use public lands for this purpose
-- national parks/forests etc are certainly places where your right to
assemble should not be abridged... the rainbow folks out in california
have gatherings and drum circles all the time in public land, but i'm not
sure how much success others have had. certainly at issue would be
potential erosion and damage to the land....

and on an [un]related note...

i hope to see all you kc-area peeps at supagruva this sat. if anyone in
lawrence/kc needs a ride, lemme know as i temporarily have a car. [i will
be going down to kc from lawrence sometime that afternoon, btw]

peace, hugs,
andrew


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a party in the forest would be so awesome...i would love to dance
among the trees and be one with nature.  however, just because it
wouldbe out in the middle of nowhere doesn't mean it would be okay. 
i live in the country and i've noticed we don't take too kindly to
people being loud.  part of the reason people live in the middle of
nowhere is so that they won't be bothered by anyone, so i dont'
really know if a bunch of ravers with a booming sound system would be
appreciated....it's definitely worth a shot though....

>>> "Magrini, Erik"  <<<
  I always thought it would be 
cool to have a party in some forest somewhere.  The lighting
possibilities 
alone are pretty wild.  I think dancing among the trees would be a
wild 
experience.  Not quite sure how a promoter would pull this off, maybe
find 
someone who's folks own a bunch of land somewhere?

............


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If anyone has any info on partys going on in Kalamazoo or Grand Rapids, or
any place near there (except for detroit) please let me know! Thanks!

[orbital]@#mp3rave - efnet

ps. if anyone has any reccomendations for anything in Chicago in the first
week of April, let me know! (april 3rd, 4th)


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well, being a resident of the area and knowing what's up, here's what's going
on:

sometime in april, small party in kzoo, check back here for details:

don't forget about the party in july, with all sorts of people you'll want to
travel very very far to see (trust me)

as far as grand rapids goes, it's all about small family parties and a new
club night called Metro at maxie's on commerce street.  coupla djs (from near
and far) and an afterhours at a coffee house till 5 or 6am on friday nights.
more info later.

black nation may throw a party before july, but don't quote me.  perhaps aaron
bennet could shed some better light upon this.

i had a site up, http://www.grfn.org/gru/  but it's well out-of date because
there really wasn't anything of interest to the outside world going on.
perhaps because of the new infusion of activity into the area i will update it
with a better design and more streamlined look.  don't expect it soon,
though.  i'm kinda busy.

hope this helps a bit!

peace
chris

Zac Cogswell wrote:

> If anyone has any info on partys going on in Kalamazoo or Grand Rapids, or
> any place near there (except for detroit) please let me know! Thanks!
>
> [orbital]@#mp3rave - efnet
>
> ps. if anyone has any reccomendations for anything in Chicago in the first
> week of April, let me know! (april 3rd, 4th)




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One important issue is amplified music.  Your rights to public land are actually
severly limited in practice if not actualy law.  Try going to a "public" park 
after dark.  Its of course illegal, who would do anything after dark??  It must 
be illegal :(

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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Magrini, Erik wrote:
     
> cool to have a party in some forest somewhere.  The lighting possibilities 
> alone are pretty wild.  I think dancing among the trees would be a wild 
> experience.  Not quite sure how a promoter would pull this off, maybe find 
> someone who's folks own a bunch of land somewhere?
     
i know for a fact that it is possible to use public lands for this purpose 
-- national parks/forests etc are certainly places where your right to 
assemble should not be abridged... the rainbow folks out in california 
have gatherings and drum circles all the time in public land, but i'm not 
sure how much success others have had. certainly at issue would be 
potential erosion and damage to the land....
     
and on an [un]related note...
     
i hope to see all you kc-area peeps at supagruva this sat. if anyone in 
lawrence/kc needs a ride, lemme know as i temporarily have a car. [i will 
be going down to kc from lawrence sometime that afternoon, btw]
     
peace, hugs,
andrew
     

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> it costs less than $2, maybe even less than $1 to produce a mix
> tape in terms of manufacturing costs. do these DJ's want a cushy
> ride with their mixtapes covering their expenses? I'm sorry, but it
> is just not realistic to charge more than $5 for a tape (again my
> opinion).
...
> there has to be profit involved because _it is_ a business. i just
> don't know...the whole business thing bugs me. I'm in denial.

Well, I can tell you this much...The 2 tapes that I've put out before
have been 60 minutes (30 minute sides).  I charged anyone buying
them from me $5.  I sold them to stores for $5, who in turn sold
them for $9.95.  But hey, that's life, right?

I've been working on a 3rd tape, and here's where the money has gone...
* approx. $50 for 50 tapes.  (More like upper $40's, but it was close to
$50)
  This price includes the plastic cases.
* approx. $10 for color photocopies from Kinko's
* $75 for new crusaders (and I'm still working on side 1!!!)
  I've had to replace my crossfader 3 times, and now I have to fix a
slider.
  The slider will cost about $30 to fix, maybe more.  I've been learning
  scratch techniques, and that wears out non-optical faders pretty fast.
* $50 on new styli to replace the ones that burned out or broke.
* Appox GOD KNOWS HOW MUCH on records
* $300 on a new hard-drive so I could do digital recording on the computer
  because DATs are too expensive, plus I NEED the editing capabilities for
  the tape I'm working on (it's hip-hop.  I do much more than just
beatmix).

I'm not even going to bother trying to put a price tag on all the time I've
put
into this tape.  It's been months, not just a single session in the
basement.
Also, I'm not bringing into account the cost of software for digital
recording,
the cost of tape decks, the cost of my computer, the cost of cables, the
cost
of electricity to power everything...blah blah blah...

So if you add all that other shit up, it's a little more than $500.  That's
about $10
per tape.  And how much will I charge for these tapes???  To people I know,
I'll probably just give them away.  To people throwing parties, I'll
probably
just give them away.  To people who approach me after a party to say
they liked what I did...I'll probably just give them away.

To anyone else, I'll sell them for $5... and in stores for $5, where
they'll
have an additional vendors fee which may be anywhere from $3-$5.  Topping
the tape out at about $10 bucks.  Not a whole hell of a lot to ask for a
mixtape.  But then again, you could go to the local video store and
purchase a movie that cost over $100 MILLION for about 10 bucks...

Of course, when you are buying an underground tape, you could look at
it as buying a limited edition piece of someones heart and soul mixed down
onto a little plastic cassette.  How about a limited edition print of
someones
artwork, where there were only 50 made...You'd be shelling out a hell of a
lot more than $10.

I would NOT be out of line asking for $10 for my tapes, especially
considering all the time and bullshit that goes into making one of
these things.

Anyways, a brief clip of it can be heard at
http://students.olin.wustl.edu/PAGE

---ben / Cylert

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hey, just wondering if anyone knows of any good partyies happin in or around
cleveland.. like Akron and anywere near here?
  PLUR!!

  ~Gruncie~

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"-- national parks/forests etc are certainly places where your right to
assemble should not be abridged... the rainbow folks out in california
have gatherings and drum circles all the time in public land, but i'm not
sure how much success others have had. certainly at issue would be
potential erosion and damage to the land...."


I know for a fact that they patrol these areas heavily.  Case in
point....have you ever looked at the floor at the end of a rave?  Hmmmm
who wants to clean that up?  Also, most places like this close at
sundown.  If you're there after dark they kick you out.  Finding people
who own large areas of land is a different story though.  That'd work!

Bye said the fly.......


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> Finding people
> who own large areas of land is a different story though.  That'd work!
> 
exactly....NIGHT OF THE ROUND TABLES....in the middle of the forest in a
castle that a guy has built.....check out the page for more info...

http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/mtn/castle

j.love
*303*
http://members.tripod.com/~three_oh_three





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since this discussion about ideas for raves and such is a pretty good
thing to spend our time talking about (imho) i thought id offer up a few
of my ideas as well...

FLYERS:
less is more.  thats kinda a cheezy little cliche thing, but its true. 
you dont need big 12 fold, poster size, 3d, pop.up, cardboard flyers to
get ppl to go to your party.  what you need is a line.up thats worth what
youre chargin (makes sense, eh?).  for a good idea on great flyers, i say
look at what ed.luna/ele_mental have done in the past and continue to do.

LIGHTS:
less is more.  really.  id rather have minimum lights and maximum sound
than mediocre lights and mediocre sound.  save some of the money you
spend on lights and spend it on sound.  really.  besides, 3 argon lazers,
25 intellibeams, 25 trackspots, and strobes galore only makes it feel
like the sun is partying with you, and i thought part of the rave
phenomenon was the night time aspect...

SOUND:
turbo sound system.  thats all i have to say.  if youre event is gonna be
large scale enuff to afford getting that sound system - get it! 
(dbn.nye.97)  again, by cutting down on the lights, you can go for
optimum sound!  i realize that not all parties are gonna warrant that
sound, but if yours does - do it.

VENUE:
new venues are always nice.  plain and simple.  but if  you cant get a
new veenue, decorate!!  it doesnt cost a whole lot to cut up some stuff
and hang it up and to get various random shit from various random places
and strategically place it.  cleanliness is always nice too, at least to
start the party off (lord knows it will get messy).  many of the places
that get/got used regularily in minneapolis had a problem with being
dirty.  the ppl throwing the party were too busy to clean up after
themselves, or to clean up from the previous party.  pushing a broom and
filling a garbage can isnt all that hard.  besides, youll likely find
some kool stuff!

DECOR:
decorate, decorate, decorate!  i cant emphasize this enufff!  it -really-
does go a long way.  in minneapolis, prolly the best at taking this idea
and running with it were the grrls from .ecstatic.musik.  they knew how
to make maximum effects with minimum supplies.  youd be surprised at how
many ppl you know whoe would not only buy decorationss for you (i mean, 5
or 10 bucks a person can add up), but would also make them for you as
well.  those same ppl would prolly put the decorations up for you as
well!  along the lines of decor; comfortable seating strategically placed
is a pluss!  away from the immediate dance area (ie: not along the main
dance floor wall).

PRICE:
be ralisitic.  really...  charge the ppl for what theyll be getting, its
as easy as that.  if theyll get 30 bucks worth of a rave, charge 30
bucks.  if theyll get 5 bucks worth of a rave, charge them 5 bucks. 
course, its always nice to get charged 5 bucks and recieve 30 bucks worth
of a rave.  and it can be done...  :)

*shrug*

just some random ideas from my random mind...

-> shonuff/sidestep

np: ready for the world - oh sheila


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A lot of people have asked where I had my tape duplication done, so I
thought I'd post the information to the list.  They also do mastering and
CD duplication (single disc and large run).  The prices are reasonable
and the staff is knowledgable and friendly.  They have done work for
myself, and Massive Magazine and we have been more than satisfied with
the service.

Here's the info:

Conversion Media Services
414-277-0544
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Zac Cogswell wrote:
> 
> If anyone has any info on partys going on in Kalamazoo or Grand Rapids, or
> any place near there (except for detroit) please let me know! Thanks!
> 
> [orbital]@#mp3rave - efnet
> 
> ps. if anyone has any reccomendations for anything in Chicago in the first
> week of April, let me know! (april 3rd, 4th)


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what's up folks:

SATURDAY: APRIL 04: 1998
PURE PROUDLY PRESENTS:

TRIPLE THREAT

The BML / Cold Front Records U.S. Tour

dj sets by:

FRANKIE BONES:  sonic groove: new york city
Bones will be spinning in support of his newly released:
COMPUTER CONTROLLED LP

FELIX DA HOUSECAT: clashbackk recordings: chicago
Felix will be spinning in support of his newly released:
CLASHBACKK COMPILATION CD
a continuous mix by the Maddkatt himself with music produced by:
FELIX DA HOUSECAT
APHROHEAD
BARADA / BRYAN ZENTZ
ERIC NORE
HARRISON CRUMP
L.A. WILLIAMS
and a host of other slammin' producers

ROY DAVIS, JR. (LIVE P.A.) - chicago
Roy will be performing live (and possibly spinning, if time permits).
He will be performing new material from his newly released LP
and will include a live vocalist and etc. etc. etc.


Should be a great time!
The party takes place at Metro, 3730 N. Clark St.
18+over, Doors open @ 11pm, showtime @ 11pm
Advance tickets available at:  CLUBHOUSE 3730 N. Clark St. (adjacent to Metro)
more info / requests:  312.409.PURE - http://www.purewpcm.com

peace & love
PURE/WPCM



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does anyone know if theres anything going on in chicago either april 10
or april 11?
if you do please let me know
thanks

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is anyone interested in throwing a party in central florida
the scene here is whack
needs work badly  -  BADLY!!!
for anyone who comes here to throw a party ill be your personal slave
just kidding but i will help  you by handing out tons of flyers and all
that stuff
but if you want to talk about scenes and whatever ill talk about mine
ok 
dustin

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We're proud to inform people that we're bringing back the Deluxe parties
from early '97.
Deluxe was set up as a means by which we could bring high profile acts to
Chicago without having to set up an entire full scale event with a full
scale price.

Deluxe will take place at:  you guessed it... METRO, 3730 N. Clark St.
The parties will take place every friday night beginning May 08, 1998
-thru- June 26, 1998.

The month of May will include:

05/08:  Deluxe House & Techno with:  JUAN ATKINS: detroit  -and- PAUL
JOHNSON:chicago
05/15:  Deluxe Drum & Bass with:  THE JUNGLE BROTHERS - LIVE -and-  M.C. ?:
Los Angeles
              -and- Q-SYSTEMS: Chicago (w/ dj's 3D & SNUGGLES with a live
vocalist and Kid Entropy)
05/22:  Deluxe Classic House with:  BERNARD BADIE & DISTANCE RECORDS
Release Party to promoter their new single:  "Longing"  with dj sets by:
BERNARD BADIE: Chicago -and- MARK GRANT:Chicago -and- Live Vocals by:
DAJAE - JOHN REDMAN and two surprise vocalists.  All familiar voices that
folks have heard a million times on some of the best house tracks available
over the past 8 years.
05/29:  Deluxe 4onthefloor: with MAJESTY RECORDINGS 1998 WORLD TOUR to
include a live performance by:  STEVE STOLL (The Blunted Boy Wonder): New
York City -and- dj sets by:
JOEY BELTRAM: New York City - MIKE DEARBORN: Chicago - DJ SKULL: Chicago

Main fliers and on-line info available right after Triple Threat, on 04/04/98.
Still dancing and loving it!

PURE/WPCM



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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Dustin A Sledgianowski wrote:

> does anyone know if theres anything going on in chicago either april 10
> or april 11?

If you consider Champaign as chicago-area, we've got Zoikz! goin down.. 

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SATURDAY APRIL 11       CHAMPAIGN/URBANA, IL       ZOIKZ
Join Gro & Rural AmeriKa in Urbana-Champaign, IL on April 11th to
celebrate another night of raving maddness.  
 
For your entertainment pleasure, we are proud to bring you
 
  Timestretch   [advance recordings, Boston] 
                 droppin mad dubplates
  Casper        [strictly jungle, Chicago]
                 bringing you the deeper sound of drum n bass
  G White       [sessionz, Boston]
                 tearing up some wikked jungle beats to knock you silly
  Ninja NiQ     [sessionz, Boston]
                 a definite weekend cruiser, breakbeat user
  Steven J      [barkingcat, Milwaukee]
                 some soulful trance to heal all yer aches n pains
  Matt Positive [positive kids, Chicago]
                 lifting you up with happy hardkore!
  CJ Power      [london]
                 some tek house direct from across the puddle
  MC Rumble & MC K Cathode
                 live and direct from boston, 
                 these two will hype up the place
 
Leave any attitude or Evil Things behind, and be sure to pack plenty of
smiles and hugs as you make your way to celebrate
 
Admission is $12 with a hershey's special dark or a bag of candy to share
  
 o Gro Collective : (217) 353 5225    [http://gro.rollin.com]  
 o Rural AmeriKa  : (217) 353 5111
 . strictly jungle: (312) 409 7249
 . network 10     : (414) 256 1350
 . positive kids  : (773) 509 6437
-----

All DJs are confirmed, all flights booked.. everything is ready for a
wikked time.  Hope ya come on down to join us!

peas n carrots
-pete


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dj's misc. and misc are online now ... jungle beats in your face


- Steven J

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If you experience any problems with the broadcast dropping simply 
reconnect with your RealAudio player.

Thanks,


- Steven J

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Just saw them Monday night in Detroit... don't know where they are going
to be next, but, if you get a chance, it was a pretty cheap show here.

More funk I have not heard in a while... two people, one jumping between
decks, keys and bass guitar, the other doing decks, drums and b-box'ing
like I haven't heard in a while.


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Friday March 27th	Chicago		Energy

			Energy

	DJ Funk			Lego
			Lady D
	
  Abstract Beating Systems Live

18+ to enter
21+ to drink

new venue
$10

773-509-6869
Mushgroove

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>05/15:  Deluxe Drum & Bass with:  THE JUNGLE BROTHERS - LIVE -and-  M.C. ?:

the jungle brothers do drum & bass now?

i thought they always did hip hop.

someone wanna clarify?

jon/dica



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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Dustin A Sledgianowski wrote:

> does anyone know if theres anything going on in chicago either april 10
> or april 11?
> if you do please let me know
> thanks
> 
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April 11th is the date for Source's Midwest Wonderland, with
Q SYSTEM, 187, CZR, STORMSHADOW, STAR EYES, PHANTOM 45,
DJ FIERCE, MINDCONTROLLOR, HENRY VENGEANCE, & many, many mo.
Russ


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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, dica wrote:

> >05/15:  Deluxe Drum & Bass with:  THE JUNGLE BROTHERS - LIVE -and-  M.C. ?:
> 
> the jungle brothers do drum & bass now?
> 
> i thought they always did hip hop.
> 
> someone wanna clarify?
> 
> jon/dica
> 
> 

That caption threw me for a loop also.
Anyone know when the d&b thing began, or if
they're still doing hip hop as part of the
Native Tongue Family (Tribe Called Quest,
Black Sheep, De La Soul)?
Russ


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[MikeyD <mikeyd@pubnix.org>]
> 
> on the label for one side it has mother teresa  and the lfip has priness
> di     and the princess di track starts with the daft punk rif from one of
> their tracks (*shrug*  cathc me on which one cuz i dont own there stuff)
> and he uses the rift thorughout the track....its almost a remix  but its
> not....  more of a parody  =)
> 

if it's the one i'm thinking of (hehe... what am i saying, there can't be
MORE THAN ONE...) then mickey finn (i think... might've been someone else
that night...) dropped it a couple months back when he was in chicago. it 
was HILARIOUS... towards the end of his set if i remember right. it's like
a weird jungle remix (parody is definitely more like it) of "da funk". i 
remember thinking "what the fuck?" then just laughing for awhile.

matt

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House music all night long. Say What!?!



On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, dica wrote:

> >05/15:  Deluxe Drum & Bass with:  THE JUNGLE BROTHERS - LIVE -and-  M.C. ?:
> 
> the jungle brothers do drum & bass now?
> 
> i thought they always did hip hop.
> 
> someone wanna clarify?
> 
> jon/dica
> 
> 


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and then there are the big companies that back those products.  guess
what? another hoax!

love
josh

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http://www.milarepa.org

My site:
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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 dgroove@juno.com wrote:

> 
> Your rights are about to be taken away from you by Congress! The
> DRACONIAN H.R. 2281 Bill is about to go up for another vote. This bill,
> if passed into law, will make any and all devices designed to allow home
> recording for non-commercial use of any protected media (software, movies
> on video, etc.) ILLEGAL. 
> 
> This includes new generations of digital VCR's, computer peripherals (eg.
> CD and DVD writers) and any other devices that allow you to exercise your
> rights of "FAIR USE" as defined by the Supreme court in the Betamax case
> of 1984. 
> 
> With these rights stripped from you, motivated by backing of large
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> 
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> 
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You will never be happy if you continue
to search for what happiness consists of.
You will never live if you
are looking for the meaning of life.
	- Albert Camus (French Author)

love
josh

Free Tibet!
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http://www.milarepa.org

My site:
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     I was wondering if anyone can hook me up with a place to get flyers
printed at...this would be of great help to me.

peace all

Aaron Schumacher


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hey has anyone ever been to the Thurs nite parties @ Elevations in   
Cincinnati?  i'm thinking 'bout going tonite 'n i wanna no what i'm in   
for.

thx
mike.clark  


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I saw them here in Chicago on Sunday and it was definately worth checking 
out.  I wasn't sure what to expect, but it was wild.  The boys in this group 
are definately multitalented musicians.  Entertaining show for $5.

     e
     ^\\//^
        ---


Just saw them Monday night in Detroit... don't know where they are going
to be next, but, if you get a chance, it was a pretty cheap show here.

More funk I have not heard in a while... two people, one jumping between
decks, keys and bass guitar, the other doing decks, drums and b-box'ing
like I haven't heard in a while.


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1) Saw one of the new VW Beetle commercials last night, which used Orb's
"Little Fluffy Clouds" while showing the different colors the Beetle comes
in now.

2) A good anti-Microsoft article (even better if read aloud by an
energetic Baptist preacher):
http://slashdot.org/slashdog.cgi?mode=article&artnum=1052

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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Dfunkster wrote:

> Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it atleast 2.5 hours?  Just don't want to
> mislead.  I know, and have spun for the Nuclear Family at past events and will
> vouch for a good quality small town hoe down with plenty o'vibe from max and
> all.  Should be worth a trip!
> 
> Darrin
> 
yeah, Peoria is more like 2.5 hours south of chicago. just down I-55 and
then I-74 west and your there.
did you get the flyers darrin?

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Hey all,
Jason Hubbard, a friend of mine, just had a baby.  To celebrate, I'd like   
to ask all of you to send him an email. . .anything, as long as it is   
HUGE (example:  copy huge readme files to your email & send them!)!  Make   
sure to address him as Loser, he likes that.  His email address is   
Hubbard12@juno.com

He will love me for this
Thx
mike.clark  


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Hey all,
Jason Hubbard, a friend of mine, just had a baby.  To celebrate, I'd like   
to ask all of you to send him an email. . .anything, as long as it is   
HUGE (example:  copy huge readme files to your email & send them!)!  Make   
sure to address him as Loser, he likes that.  His email address is   
Hubbard12@juno.com

He will love me for this
Thx
mike.clark


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 26 16:52:47 1998
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Hi.  I'm the new geek in town.  anyway, just thought i would let everyone know
about a party in st. louis this weekend.  

3.28.98
HORIZONS 4
dj's
Stacey Pullen
Wade Randolph Hampton
lego
jamie d
justin tewn
john s.
The Baroness 
Dani
Phil Decker

this party is at a WAREHOUSE in st. louis, not a whack ghetto club on the east
side.  (torture club).  anyways, my name is matt, i just joined the list and
wanted to say hi to everyone.  come to st. louis this weekend, because this
will be one of the better parties to happen here in a long time.

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hi marbles!!! welcome to the list, I am from st louis also....hey how about a
net meet at horizons this weekend? oh well just wanted to give a shout to
another local.
peace.
dan

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I got this straight from TV guides web site 

**TONIGHT**
New York Undercover 
Thu, Mar 26

9:00pm
FOX    60 min (CC) 
      
Moreno (Lauren Velez) poses as a rave organizer and Barker (Tommy Ford) 
poses as a video director to try to catch a serial killer who strikes at 
the all-night parties. Williams: Malik Yoba. 

   

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Anyone have the e-flyer for tonight's shindig?
I have a habit of erasing my mail upon reading it,
and accidentally deleted mine.  
If someone could forward me this I'd be much
obliged.
thanks,
Russ
PS> I can finally go to Dub Shack events
today! (its my 21st berfday)


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> **TONIGHT**
> New York Undercover 
> Thu, Mar 26

I was _just_ going to post something about this, after reading about
it in this morning's paper.  I checked this week's issue of EW:

	Talk about your chemical brothers... the squad gets busy
	among the local rave community to catch a serial killer
	whose weapon of choice is tainted ecstasy.




- Craig


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>Jason Hubbard, a friend of mine, just had a baby.  To celebrate, I'd like   
>to ask all of you to send him an email. . .anything, as long as it is   
>HUGE (example:  copy huge readme files to your email & send them!)!  Make   
>sure to address him as Loser, he likes that.  His email address is   
>Hubbard12@juno.com

hmm... is this really a friend who had a baby?  or is it some poor person
that you're trying to get some kind of revenge on?  either way this kind of
thing should not be welcome on mw-raves.   

besides, juno.com will cancel out any email over a certain size.  so HUGE
files, like your "friend" will "love" won't even go through.  

If you're too afraid to carry out your own pathetic revenge, look somewhere
else for other people to do it, and stop wasting our time here.

chris

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At 11:06 AM 3/26/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> **TONIGHT**
>> New York Undercover 
>> Thu, Mar 26
>
>I was _just_ going to post something about this, after reading about
>it in this morning's paper.  I checked this week's issue of EW:
>

well HA-HA craig! someone apparently beat u to it!

=]

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 > **TONIGHT**
> New York Undercover 
> Thu, Mar 26
> 
> 9:00pm
> FOX    60 min (CC) 
>       
> Moreno (Lauren Velez) poses as a rave organizer and Barker (Tommy Ford) 
> poses as a video director to try to catch a serial killer who strikes at 
> the all-night parties. Williams: Malik Yoba. 

The wheels start to give as yet another media-monger jumps on the
bandwagon.

onelove.
noble
************************************************************************
So, I raised my hand and said "Wouldn't it be allot more efficient
if people learned how to communicate in 0's and 1's?" and he said
"Yes, but when are people ever efficient?"

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i sent out info last november on my booking agency and since then i have
updated my roster of djs and live acts that i represent.  thus, if any
promoters on the list are interested in getting a copy of the new updated
roster, feel free to e-mail me (privately!!) and i'll send you one.

thanks....

aaron bennett
black nation records: kalamazoo, michigan
tlbk35@juno.com

halfway between detroit and chicago....


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continuing on the kalamazoo-grand rapids-west michigan theme.  if you are
looking for something to do on tuesday and friday nights, here are some
things to check out in grand rapids.  you can also go to the hip hut
record store (on burton st just west of kalamazoo ave) and pick up flyers
there or ask them whats going on.

tuesday nights at the intersection
featuring various local GR talent
corner of wealthy st. and lake dr


--------------------

metro
every friday night

this friday march 27, 1998

kikoman
-deepfried/missile/contact records: grand rapids

lars "lb" behrenroth
-hamburg, germany

located at maxi's
68 commerce st, in downtown grand rapids

doors @10pm
info (616) 356-2402
www.msu.edu/user/hungerf5/metro.htm


peace,

aaron bennett
black nation records: kalamazoo, michigan
tlbk35@juno.com

halfway between detroit and chicago....


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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:48:54 -0500 "Zac Cogswell" <orbital@cpuinc.net>
writes:

>If anyone has any info on partys going on in Kalamazoo or Grand 
>Rapids, or any place near there (except for detroit) please let me know!
Thanks!


the following black nation events are happening soon in kalamazoo:

a small party in may featuring the kanzleramt records crew from germany +
local djs
note:  this one may or may not happen...we're working on the details.

a small party in june featuring special guests tba

a huge party (possibly outdoors) on july 4th featuring a lineup that i'm
going to post to this list in about a week and a half.  for now, i can
tell you that surgeon and claude young are 100% confirmed with other very
special guests to be announced when the full event info is posted.  i
think you all will be very happy with who is going to be coming to play
at this!! :) :)

if you are in/near kalamazoo and you need to keep up on local info call
the black nation info line at (616) 343-8357

peace,

aaron bennett
black nation records: kalamazoo, michigan
tlbk35@juno.com

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In a message dated 98-03-26 12:51:32 EST, you write:

> > Moreno (Lauren Velez) poses as a rave organizer and Barker (Tommy Ford) 
>  > poses as a video director to try to catch a serial killer who strikes at 
>  > the all-night parties. Williams: Malik Yoba. 
>  

this is all fiction, right??  i don't have a tV...


cheers
Blue

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On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Aaron M Bennett wrote:

> the following black nation events are happening soon in kalamazoo:
> a huge party (possibly outdoors) on july 4th featuring a lineup that i'm
> going to post to this list in about a week and a half.  for now, i can
> tell you that surgeon and claude young are 100% confirmed with other very
> special guests to be announced when the full event info is posted.  i
> think you all will be very happy with who is going to be coming to play
> at this!! :) :)

Won't this be going up against Family Affair? Isn't this a bad idea? How
about a joint effort. These parties would both be too great to miss. As
much as I would love to support a lineup like this, I'd have to say I'd
rather go for a campout party with a reputation of being one of the best
of the year (besides EF). Please don't make us decide one or the other!!!

Jason


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Subject: home 98 and soul revival info please!


first thing, please give me a call if you can(my number is
309-796-1171)...  send an email to derik@netexpress.net and
caines@netexpress.net please...

im looking for info line numbers to HOME and Soul Revival(is that the
name?) and any info if somebody isnt gonna show up...

ive been off the list and my cpu is bye-bye for awhile...

thanks in advance

derik schneider
309-796-1171
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On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:03:39 -0800 (PST) Josh <joshual@scf-fs.usc.edu>
writes:

>and then there are the big companies that back those products.  guess
>what? another hoax!
>
>love
>josh
>

I provided URLs which verify that this is a _real_ issue.

In addition, I received the following E-Mail from my senator today which
verifies that it IS NOT a hoax...

  Dear Friend,
     
     Thank you for your recent e-mail message to my office.
     
     Please accept this response as acknowledgment that we have received 
     your message and will note your comments.  If you have included a 
     postal address in your message you will receive a reply via U.S.
Mail 
     as soon as possible. 
     
     I look forward to hearing from you on other issues of importance to 
     you.
     
     Sincerely,
     
     Russell D. Feingold
     United States Senator

This is an important issue.  I think the phrase "Better safe than
sorry..." applies here. 
We'll definitely be sorry if it's true and nothing is done. 

	-Joe


In case you missed it the first time...

> Your rights are about to be taken away from you by Congress! The
> DRACONIAN H.R. 2281 Bill is about to go up for another vote. This bill,
> if passed into law, will make any and all devices designed to allow
home
> recording for non-commercial use of any protected media (software,
movies
> on video, etc.) ILLEGAL. 
> 
> This includes new generations of digital VCR's, computer peripherals
(eg.
> CD and DVD writers) and any other devices that allow you to exercise
your
> rights of "FAIR USE" as defined by the Supreme court in the Betamax
case
> of 1984. 
> 
> With these rights stripped from you, motivated by backing of large
> media-based corporations, you will no longer be allowed to make any
> backup copies of software, copy rented videos for later viewing, copy
> CD's for use in your car, or any of the other uses for these devices.
It
> will also hinder the introduction of new technology causing delays in
> releases of new peripherals / home electronics and ultimately raise the
> prices of these due to the increased amount of judicial "red-tape" and
> certification required to bring these new products to market. 
> 
> The time to act is *NOW*. Click on the links below to find out more and
> send an E-mail to your representatives in congress. There is a simple
to
> fill out form right online and it takes only a few minutes to do your
> part in preserving the rights granted to you by the Supreme court in
> 1984. If you do not act now, you have no-one to blame but yourselves
when
> this becomes law. 
> 
> http://www.hrrc.org/22698pr.html --> More Info 
> 
> http://congress.nw.dc.us/hrrc/elecmail.html --> Write your
Representatives *NOW*

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Ok, please read through the following, and if you agree & would like to
add your name to the list, just respond back to me stating so.  If you
disagree, hit the D key any time, or email american airlines stating so.

..if I just passed this to the list, I've got a feeling any sort of
numbering would be shot to hell, and we'd get tons of duplicate names

Flames welcome, but please make them privately.  The raving community is
the most queer positive crew I have ever encountered, and I though y'all
would want to help out.

thanx.
-pete
---------- Forwarded message ----------
American Airlines is a major sponsor to and supporter of groups like 
GLADD, the Human Rights Campaign, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, 
the AIDS Action Foundation, DIFFA, AmFAR, and scores of 
community-based groups representing gays and lesbians.  It is also the 
first airline to adopt a written non-discrimination policy covering 
sexual orientation in its employment practices.

In an unusual joint letter released to the media on Friday, March 14, 
1998 From the Family Research Council, Concerned Women of America,
American Family Association and Coral Ridge Ministries, American 
Airlines
was openly criticized about their policy.  Radical right leader Beverly 
LaHaye also went on Christian "talk radio" on Friday to blast American 
Airlines because "American's sponsorship of homosexual 'pride' events 
constitutes an open endorsement of promiscuous homosexuality."  She and 
the other groups have written Bob Crandall at American to complain that 
the airline has "gone beyond mere tolerance" of gays and lesbians.  The 
full article appears in Friday's Fort Worth Star-Telegram, and possibly 
picked up by other newspapers around the country.  It has come to the 
attention of the gay and lesbian community that American Airline's 
switchboard and e-mails are being bombarded now by homophobic and 
hateful callers who have been urged by LaHaye and others to DEMAND the
company terminate its gay-friendly policies. 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
     
Please add your name to this petition and forward it to as many people 
as you can.  To add your name just cut and paste this onto new mail and 
send it out!
***
If you are the 25th, 50th, 75th, 100th, etc. person to sign this 
petition then also please forward this to American Airlines at 
Webmaster@amrcorp.com
***
     
To American Airlines:  We, the undersigned, support your gay/lesbian 
rights policies and commend you for your efforts in ending 
discrimination. 
Thank you for your dedication to such issues and please continue to 
remain active in the struggle to end discrimination.
     
1. Marybeth Kurtz, Philadelphia, PA
2. Jen Faust, Goucher College, Balto. MD
3. Sarah Pinsker, Goucher College, Balto. MD 
4. Rebecca Olin, Amherst College, Amherst MA 
5. David Beckman, Amherst College, Amherst, MA
6. Amanda Austin, Smith College, Northampton, MA 
7. Joan Prusky, Detroit, MI and Northampton, MA
8. Elizabeth Kennedy, NYC and Smith College, Northampton, MA 
9. Lindsey Stowe-Berns, NYC and Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH 
10. Jill Rothstein, NYC and Oberlin College
11. Julie Cross, Miami and Oberlin College
12. Chris Morris, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH 
13. Katherine Shorb, Tokyo and Oberlin College 
14. Maria Mergel, Tokyo and Oberlin College 
15. Ayako Honda, Tokyo and Simmons College
16. Aric Stewart, Carleton College, Northfield, MN 
17. Nadezhda Murray, Carleton College, Northfield, MN 
18. Geoff Ruth, Northfield, MN
19. Laura Gibson, University of Vermont, Burlington, VT 
20. Shelly Pirroni, University of Vermont, Burlington, VT 
21. Peter Liu, University of Vermont, Burlington, VT
22. Rebecca Rosenblum, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ 
23. Kathryn Pollak, University of Texas, Houston
24. Donna White, University of Texas, Houston
25. Lara Staub, University of Texas School of Public Health, Houston
26. Melissa Phipps, University of Texas School of Public Health, Houston 
27. Nicole Ordway, University of Texas School of Public Health,Houston 
28. Bruce Greenawalt, New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
29.. Matt Carlson, New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM 
30. Heather Daniel, Chicago, Illinois
31. Tony Breed, Chicago, Illinois
32. Eric Tschetter, Chicago, Illinois 
33. J. J. Fenza, Chicago, Illinois
34. Kristine Sundberg, Chicago, Illinois 
35. Christina Kowalchuk, Boston, MA
36. Andrew Custer, University of Rochester, NY 
37. Randall Hayes, Rochester, NY
38. Charles Powell, Lexington, KY
39. Monika I. Cassel, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor MI. 
40. Jennifer Tilton, University of Michigan, Ann  Arbor-- MI 
41. James Kreines, University of Chicago, Ann Arbor MI
42. Cynthia Palmer, Moorhead State University, Moorhead, MN 
43. Nicole Madsen, Moorhead State University, Moorhead, MN 
44. Sara Pool, North Park College, Chicago, IL.
45. Marta Johnson, North Park College, Chicago, IL 
46. Lara C. Warg, North Park College, Chicago, IL 
47. Jason A. Cox, Indianapolis, IN
48. Patricia Rini, San Francisco, CA 
49. Helga Grayson, San Francisco, CA 
50. April Hunter, San Francisco, CA
51. David Alves, Oakland, CA
52. Nelsy Dominguez, Santa Fe, NM
53. Caryn Scotto, Santa Fe, NM
54. Edith Corra, Albuquerque, NM
55. Christine Stout-Holmes, Albuquerque, NM 
56. Kim Straus, Santa Fe, NM
57. Lon Murphy, Santa Fe, NM
58. Wayne Muesse, Milpitas, CA
59. Arvada Darnell, Menlo Park, CA.
60. Merri M. Monks, Chicago, IL
61. Douglas Hammett and Gary Lair (in a loving, comitted, and 
monogamous relationship for 14 years), Kihei, Maui, Hawaii 
62. Dearca Devo, Kihei, Maui, Hawaii
63. Heather Beadle, Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii 
64. Donna Lieding, Glendora, CA
65. George & Marion Hollingworth, Arcadia, CA 
66. Mike Altiere, Cortland, OH
67. Samuel Altiere, Haiku, Maui, Hawaii 
68. Chris Lieding, Haiku, Maui, Hawaii 
69. John Montfort, Wailuku, Hawaii
70. Gary Petersen, Wailuku, Hawaii
71. David Pelletier, Palm Springs, CA
72. Mark Chataway, London, UK (mark@interscience.co.uk) 
73. Dr. Seth Berkley, New York, NY, USA
74. Laura Hickey, New York, NY
75. Cameron Elliott, Seattle, WA
76. Jean-Paul Montagnet, Seattle, WA 
77. David Bryant, Seattle, WA
78. Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti, Seattle, WA 
79. M. Cathy Angell, Bellingham, WA
80. Sally Friedman, Seattle, WA
81. Joan Raphael Greathouse, Seattle, WA
82. Denise A. Klein, KleinDoerr, Consultants, Seattle WA 
83. LaVonne Douville, Seattle, WA.
84. Janet Staub, Seattle, WA.
85. Maryah Fram, Seattle WA.
86. B.J. Erkan, Seattle, WA.
87. Patricia Erkan, Seattle, WA.
88. Pamela Nault, LMP, Seattle, WA
89. Liz Lasater, Seattle, WA
90. Donna Ryan, Oakland, CA
91. Kim Fox, Walnut Creek, CA
92. Connie Herrick, Oakland, CA
93. L. Jill Ivie, San Francisco, CA
94. H. Batey, Berkeley, CA
95. Carolyn Breedlove,  Berkeley, CA 
96. Lisa D. Wade, New York, NY
97. Andrew Hostetler, Chicago, IL
98. Lisa Marie Pickens, Chicago, IL
99. Therese Quinn, University of Illinois at Chicago 
100. Sarah Reynolds, Seattle, WA
101. Christina Perez, Chicago, IL
102. RoiAnn Phillips, Chicago, IL
103. Pam Phillips, Santa Clara, CA
104. Ann Lougee, Los Altos, CA
105. Win Gould, San Jose, CA
106. Anne Cohen, Pasadena, CA
107. Davida Foy Crabtree, South Windsor, CT 
108. John A. Nelson, Gloversville, NY
109. Scott Haldeman, Herndon, VA
110. Jane A. Story, RN, Greer, SC
111. Sandra L. Michocki, Greer, SC
112. Kereth E. Cowe-Spigai, Silver Spring, MD 
113. Tara A. Cowe-Spigai,  Silver Spring, MD 
114. Denis Flanigan, Damascus MD
115. Reese Aaron Isbell, Washington, DC 
116. Nuno Silva, Washington, DC
117. Mark T. Baker, Washington, DC
118. Thomas Shevlin, Washington DC
119. Preston Niblack, Academy of Leadership, U of Maryland 
120. Bradley Wester, New York, NY
121. Elise Bloustein, New York, NY
122. Sam Greenhoe, New York, NY
123. Janna M. Smith, Milton, MA
124. Nat Kuhn, Lexington, MA
125. David Woolgrove, Kelso, Scotland
126. Alison Gean-Davis and Mark Gean-Hughes, Kirkcaldy,Scotland 
127. Beverly Shepard, Ancaster, Ontario
128. Don Woodside, Hamilton Ontario
129. Bruna Nota, Toronto Ontario
130. Cathy Picone, Adelaide, SA, Australia 
131. Sue Hines, Canberra, ACT, Australia
132. Emily Kolatch, University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS 
133. Tony Fuemmeler, University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS 
134. Amy E. Whited, St. Louis MO
135. Lisa Fabbro, Ontario, Canada
136. Tracey Thomas, San Antonio, TX
137. Carly Fennipseare, Carbondale, IL 
138. Kerri French, Greensboro, NC
139. Beth D'arcy Hoskins, Chapel Hill, NC 
140. Kim Garcia, Monterey, CA
141. Jessycka Hereth, Medford, OR
142. Jeff J. Lin, Seattle, WA
143. Courtney Reimer, Seattle, WA
144. Bruce Pavitt, Seattle, WA
145. Phillip Hertz....frequent AA flyer 
146. Kiri Eschelle, SF, CA
147. Linda Engbrenghof, Nashville, TN 
148. Tammy Kohlburn, Nashville, T
149. Eric Mansfield, Nashville, TN
150. Lynette Garbonola,  Nashville, TN 
151. Jeanne Rizzo, Tiburon, CA
152. Tara Triefenbach, Santa Rosa, CA 
153. Pali Cooper, Tiburon , CA
154. Derk Richardson, Oakland, CA
155. Bob Ostertag
156. Francisco Gonzalez, San Francisco, CA 
157. Miguel Casuso, Berkeley, CA
158. Sara Bisikirski, San Francisco, CA 
159. Rachel M. Cohen, Cambridge, MA
160. Cora Stubbs-Dame, Cambridge, MA 
161. Brad Kramer, Brookline, MA
162. Donna Gorshel, Brookline, MA
163.. Sharyn Katz, South Easton, MA
164. Bobbe Anderson, North Easton, Ma 
165. Sascha Galkin, North Easton, Ma. 
166. Rev. Martha Niebanck
167. Pat Ellenwood, Director of Religous Education, Wellesley, Hills, MA 
168. Rev. Makanah E. Morriss, Director UUA RE Department, Winchester, MA 
169. Rev. Robert L. Morriss, Winchester Uintarian Ch. Winchester, MA 
170. Sara K. Morriss, Newark, DE
171. Mark Jolly, Newark, DE
172. Gordon Geise, Washington, D.C.
173. Lon Pilot, Washington, DC
174. Susan Jackson, Washing, DC
175. John Rose, Washington, DC
176. Shyanika Wijesinha, Tampa, FL
177. Eshanthika Wijesinha, Chicago, IL 
178. Kate Leuschke, Haverford, PA
179. Mike Gallagher, Hanover, NH
180. Ivan Cestero, Hanover, NH
181. Justin Sarma, Hanover, NH
182. Max Chitra, Elmira, NY
183. Mike Trainor, West Orange, NJ
184. Emmanuel Go, Bloomfield, NJ
185. Adrienne Rau, Auburn, ME
186. Anna Boll, Brunswick, ME
187.  Karen Geraghty, Portland, ME
188.  Carol Kelly, Portland, ME
189.  Susan Horowitz, Harpswell, ME
190.  Gail Kass, Harpswell, ME
191.  Ginni Stern,  Shelburne, Vermont 
192.  Paul R. Korn, Boston, MA
193.  Alex Trayford, Wheaton College, Norton, MA 
194.  Susan Altman, Medford, MA
195.  Cynthia Robinson, Somerville, MA
200. Colleen Crowley, Boston, MA
201. Deborah A. Stavin, Jamaica Plain, MA
202. Adam Richardson, Concord, MA
203. David Prifti, Boston, MA     
204. Peter Mannix, Urbana, IL


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> >05/15:  Deluxe Drum & Bass with:  THE JUNGLE BROTHERS - LIVE -and-
> M.C. ?:
> 
> the jungle brothers do drum & bass now?
> 
> i thought they always did hip hop.
> 
> someone wanna clarify?
> 
>From my point of view, this seems logical.  You know, the Jungle Bros.
doing jungle.  It just makes sense, if you're into making sense. hehe


peace 'n love,
angel O:)

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hey, totally sorry for the massive cross-post... won't make a habit of 
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>"I am not a crook"
--
normally that quote would be applicable. however, Nixon _was_ a crook.

my $.02
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On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:08:34 -0500 (EST) Strange and Loopy
<cjclar01@homer.louisville.edu> writes regarding july 4:

>Won't this be going up against Family Affair? Isn't this a bad idea? 


actually, when we first started to plan this last fall, we had no idea
that family affair was going to be on the same weekend.  at that time,
there wasn't anything scheduled for that weekend as far as we knew.  it
was only about a week or so ago that i found out through the grapevine
that FA is scheduled for then as well. by then, we had already booked
people, made space arrangements, and other misc. stuff for that date. 

the problem is that the guys we have booked are already booked solid for
the rest of the summer with parties, festivals, etc.  it would have been
impossible to reschedule them them earlier or later on.  thus, we had no
choice but to stick with the plan we had already.

without revealing the entire lineup until next week, as i said before we
have claude young and surgeon.  we also have jeff mills as well.  jeff is
absolutely, positively, 110% solidly confirmed for this.  jay (denham)
spun with jeff a couple nights ago in england, and they hung out and made
all the arrangements for the 4th of july.

if we could move the date we could, but we've pretty much passed the
point of no return for it, so we gotta stick with it.  hopefully,
everything will work out for everyone that weekend. :) :)

aaron bennett
black nation records: kalamazoo, michigan
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halfway between detroit and chicago....



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could someone please tell me what it takes to get my name on a flyer and
dj somewhere?? 
i know theres a lot of smart people on this mailing list so maybe someone
could help me out - give me a clue and tell me what the hell i am doing
wrong
ive been djing for like 3 years -  i dont know if thats very long at all
to some of you but i feel like i have a good amount of skill - more than
average
i live in florida - the scene here is whack (my opinion)
most of my records are dated (due to the fact that i dont have money to
buy any) but i still have an ok selection
just please someone give me some advice on what i should do
i send out tapes but not that many because i dont have money to do it
i try to sell them but noone buys any
whats wrong with me do i just suck???
-dustin

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make the flyer yourself.
throw your own party.

thats what I do, it doesn't matter if I suck or not. All that matters is 
that you believe you don't suck. 

*hugs*
elaine


***psst Big Fuckin Rave has been renamed 
GHETTO ASS HOUSE PARTY!! Sat. Mar. 28
414-256-1381

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What's up people? Just wanted to say hi to everyone, I'm new to this list. I've
been on the pb-cle list but just joined this one. I'm a promoter from
Cleveland, The PunchBrothers, we threw 'KINETIC' in January. We are planning
our next event for May 22nd, and are still looking for some dj's. If anyone is
interested, e-mail me and I'll give you my address so you can send out a tape. 
until next time...
Bri@n

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ok this is what my scene is like basically
it might take a while but bear with me

i started going to raves, parties, whatever about 4 years ago 
when i started going the scene was way different from now
but it was better even before i started going (that would be like 92 -
the aahz parties if youve ever heard of those -orlando florida)
but anyways i guess i didnt really know that much when i started going
out until like after a year
i learned a lot of stuff just talking to people 
well anyways there was good vibes and music from what i remember
there were some pretty messed up people too (that hasnt changed)
but i know i used to see dressed up people, tons of party kids (not just
from here) - people that knew what was going on, like love and stuff -
plur , but i dont think plur was invented yet
people used to hug and people were friends and stuff, people knew about
music and there were raves happening all the time

well what its like now is basically there are almost no raves at all,
just crappy club parties. most of the people know little or nothing about
good vibes and friends, etc
most kids that go out dont know about anything - think its like get
messed up and listen to weird music or something i dont know
the only music the majority of the people like is breaks, or progressive
house (the more underground side goes toward breaks, the clubbier side
house)
nobody knows what hardcore is, or detroit techno, or goa, or deep house,
or hardhouse, or anything like that
people shudder when they hear the word jungle
they passed a law that says all clubs with a liquor license have to close
at 3 am - this basically stopped all raves from happening, even though
before that there werent very many anyways
so its like when people want to throw a good party theres no people to go
unless the music is funky breaks (i think this comes from the fact that
icee used to be really big here, and miami is only a few hours south)
the last good rave i went to was new years 97 i think (it wasnt even that
good)
the last really good one i went to i cant even remember - probably in 95
but anyways thats my scene summarized 
central florida - orlando  - if you want to come here be prepared for war
on breaks only people 
just kidding
but who else has had similar experience to this???
anyone? all i know is i just want to be somewheres that people are nice
and act like who they really are and like all different kinds of music,
etc
-dustin

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An Orlando native (and current fl-raves listadmin), I concur completely
with Dustin.  The scene's gone from beautiful beginnings to utter wackness
in a distressingly short period.

-However-, Orlando does from time to time play host to real talent that's
quite worth the investment of time and energy, even at the clubs.  I was
delighted to find when I visited Florida back in December that Doc Martin
was spinning at Firestone on a Thursday night while I was around.  Firestone,
both with Stace Bass promoting, and since, has brought in a lot of top-rate
dj talent from around the country and around the world (ADMITTELY in a some-
what narrow, prog-house/prog-trance/breaks-oriented vein) and put them up
live on a sound system that frankly rivals anything on the planet.

Other than that, I was only *too* happy to leave Orlando last year.  The
focus was becoming increasingly narrow, and a glut of clueless newbies was
working an unfortunate attrition on the old-timers who were there for other
(arguably more noble) reasons.

Hail Eris.  All Hail Discordia.

On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Dustin A Sledgianowski wrote:

> ok this is what my scene is like basically
> it might take a while but bear with me
> 
> i started going to raves, parties, whatever about 4 years ago 
> when i started going the scene was way different from now
> but it was better even before i started going (that would be like 92 -
> the aahz parties if youve ever heard of those -orlando florida)
> but anyways i guess i didnt really know that much when i started going
> out until like after a year
> i learned a lot of stuff just talking to people 
> well anyways there was good vibes and music from what i remember
> there were some pretty messed up people too (that hasnt changed)
> but i know i used to see dressed up people, tons of party kids (not just
> from here) - people that knew what was going on, like love and stuff -
> plur , but i dont think plur was invented yet
> people used to hug and people were friends and stuff, people knew about
> music and there were raves happening all the time
> 
> well what its like now is basically there are almost no raves at all,
> just crappy club parties. most of the people know little or nothing about
> good vibes and friends, etc
> most kids that go out dont know about anything - think its like get
> messed up and listen to weird music or something i dont know
> the only music the majority of the people like is breaks, or progressive
> house (the more underground side goes toward breaks, the clubbier side
> house)
> nobody knows what hardcore is, or detroit techno, or goa, or deep house,
> or hardhouse, or anything like that
> people shudder when they hear the word jungle
> they passed a law that says all clubs with a liquor license have to close
> at 3 am - this basically stopped all raves from happening, even though
> before that there werent very many anyways
> so its like when people want to throw a good party theres no people to go
> unless the music is funky breaks (i think this comes from the fact that
> icee used to be really big here, and miami is only a few hours south)
> the last good rave i went to was new years 97 i think (it wasnt even that
> good)
> the last really good one i went to i cant even remember - probably in 95
> but anyways thats my scene summarized 
> central florida - orlando  - if you want to come here be prepared for war
> on breaks only people 
> just kidding
> but who else has had similar experience to this???
> anyone? all i know is i just want to be somewheres that people are nice
> and act like who they really are and like all different kinds of music,
> etc
> -dustin
> 
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> /*FRIDAY APRIL 3RD           TECHNOJAVA 5          WEST LAFAYETTE, IN */
> 
> #Techno_Java <5>;
> 
> const int START_TIME = 8pm;
> const int PLACE = "Wesley Foundation";
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> void main (DJ's) {
----
wouldnt this be more like "techno-c/c++"?? :>
(java doesnt have the # directives or const)
(yes, i am being a geek)
(just because i am doing vms macro at the moment)

a vax user and proud of it,
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tonight on WSUM:

midnight-1am (central time) 
	chrise spinning jazzy jungle and possibly some jump-up
1am - 3am
	DICA spinning an extended "back in the day" 94-96 hardstep classic set,
chiggidy check it!

so check us out at http://www.msr.org

the server's fast and so are we


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i spin house mostly
sometimes hardhouse 
though what i really like is happier type of house (energetic happy
stuff)
you might think that sounds stupid
i like happy hardcore but dont really have any hardcore records
i also can go like deep house, or into this ambient like pretty house (i
dont know what else to call it)
thats about it
-dustin

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does anyone know where this is taking place, besides in kansas city. any
information would be helpful. thanks. 
                                         later
                                                      clem


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In a message dated 98-03-27 02:08:02 EST, you write:

<< i spin house mostly
 sometimes hardhouse 
 though what i really like is happier type of house (energetic happy
 stuff)
 you might think that sounds stupid >>

no one is going to listen to the music you play and enjoy it until you take
pride in it. 
i play techno and it's the shit.


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My Roomate, Pat Nice, received a call from the promoters for SupaGruva
(sp)notifying him that the party has been cancelled.


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Derrick K Karteczka wrote:
> 
> Just saw them Monday night in Detroit... don't know where they are going
> to be next, but, if you get a chance, it was a pretty cheap show here.

the next propellerheads show:

http://www.panix.com/~godlike/oxygenr.html

_jason12




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so, how was this?!?

>**TONIGHT**
>New York Undercover 
>Thu, Mar 26
>
>9:00pm
>FOX    60 min (CC) 
>      
>Moreno (Lauren Velez) poses as a rave organizer and Barker (Tommy Ford) 
>poses as a video director to try to catch a serial killer who strikes at 
>the all-night parties. Williams: Malik Yoba. 

___________________________________________________________________________
........... jon/dica ........... jabraun@students.wisc.edu ................
...........................................................................
.. rinsin' out every thursday, 12-3am central time at http://www.msr.org ..
...........................................................................
..................... brock out with your cock out! .......................
___________________________________________________________________________

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I watched it and it wasn't about raves at all. Not sure if thats next week
or what. Unless the station here broadcasts a different show, that seems a
bit odd if thats the case though.

Brian


On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, dica! wrote:

> so, how was this?!?
> 
> >**TONIGHT**
> >New York Undercover 
> >Thu, Mar 26
> >
> >9:00pm
> >FOX    60 min (CC) 
> >      
> >Moreno (Lauren Velez) poses as a rave organizer and Barker (Tommy Ford) 
> >poses as a video director to try to catch a serial killer who strikes at 
> >the all-night parties. Williams: Malik Yoba. 
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> ........... jon/dica ........... jabraun@students.wisc.edu ................
> ...........................................................................
> .. rinsin' out every thursday, 12-3am central time at http://www.msr.org ..
> ...........................................................................
> ..................... brock out with your cock out! .......................
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> 

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>>05/15:  Deluxe Drum & Bass with:  THE JUNGLE BROTHERS - LIVE -and-  M.C. ?:
>
>the jungle brothers do drum & bass now?
>
>i thought they always did hip hop.
>
>someone wanna clarify?
>
>jon/dica

Yup, it's the same Jungle Brothers from back in the day.  "...feel the vibe
surrounding me, feel the bass come down on me..." etc. etc.  They DO do
drum & bass now.  At Deluxe, they will be performing a few of their
old-skool cuts as well as the drum & bass that they've been producing.  It
should be a fantastic time!  It's a tough act to book, but we're very
excited and privileged to be able to put this one together.

M.C. ?  (emcee question mark) is probably the dopest MC that I've had the
opportunity of enjoying.  He's originally from England, but now lives in
Los Angeles.  I heard him emcee over Raymond Roker's set (editor in chief
of URB Magazine) at URB's sunday night gig  "SCIENCE".  Question mark puts
on a head set and emcees while he's walking through the crowd.  He
interacts with the people and really puts a keen edge on the music and the
vibe in the room.  We just HAD to bring him out.  If you're 21 or older,
you can check him out in an atmosphere more intimate and close-knit at
BEATSEED on Thursday, April 2, 1998 in Chicago.  Beatseed happens the first
and last Thursday of the month at The Funky Buddha Lounge, 728 W. Grand.
Check the website for more info about the night.
http://www.purewpcm.com

Hope that answers your questions.

Peace then, the next time.

PURE/WPCM




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i don't know what's up with that but they didn't show the one on raves
here :(  i was lookin for a good laugh :(  anybody know when it's gonna be
on?



On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, dica! wrote:

> so, how was this?!?
> 
> >**TONIGHT**
> >New York Undercover 
> >Thu, Mar 26
> >
> >9:00pm
> >FOX    60 min (CC) 
> >      
> >Moreno (Lauren Velez) poses as a rave organizer and Barker (Tommy Ford) 
> >poses as a video director to try to catch a serial killer who strikes at 
> >the all-night parties. Williams: Malik Yoba. 
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> ........... jon/dica ........... jabraun@students.wisc.edu ................
> ...........................................................................
> .. rinsin' out every thursday, 12-3am central time at http://www.msr.org ..
> ...........................................................................
> ..................... brock out with your cock out! .......................
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> 



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> i don't know what's up with that but they didn't show the one on raves
> here :(  i was lookin for a good laugh :(  anybody know when it's gonna be
> on?

Here either.  I suspect the network decided to air a different episode,
although I don't know why.

Damn tired "women in prison" theme.

:(




- Craig

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I saw the Jungle Brothers MC over Mickey Finn at a party called Urban
Takeover at WMC. I'm not really a fan of hiphop, but they were very
upbeat, positive, and energetic. Very worthwhile, IMHO. A good mesh of
hiphop and drum and bass.

j-Sun 
 
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, PURE/WPCM wrote:

> >>05/15:  Deluxe Drum & Bass with:  THE JUNGLE BROTHERS - LIVE -and-  M.C. ?:
> >
> >the jungle brothers do drum & bass now?
> >
> >i thought they always did hip hop.
> >
> >someone wanna clarify?
> >
> >jon/dica
> 
> Yup, it's the same Jungle Brothers from back in the day.  "...feel the vibe
> surrounding me, feel the bass come down on me..." etc. etc.  They DO do
> drum & bass now.  At Deluxe, they will be performing a few of their
> old-skool cuts as well as the drum & bass that they've been producing.  It
> should be a fantastic time!  It's a tough act to book, but we're very
> excited and privileged to be able to put this one together.
> 
> M.C. ?  (emcee question mark) is probably the dopest MC that I've had the
> opportunity of enjoying.  He's originally from England, but now lives in
> Los Angeles.  I heard him emcee over Raymond Roker's set (editor in chief
> of URB Magazine) at URB's sunday night gig  "SCIENCE".  Question mark puts
> on a head set and emcees while he's walking through the crowd.  He
> interacts with the people and really puts a keen edge on the music and the
> vibe in the room.  We just HAD to bring him out.  If you're 21 or older,
> you can check him out in an atmosphere more intimate and close-knit at
> BEATSEED on Thursday, April 2, 1998 in Chicago.  Beatseed happens the first
> and last Thursday of the month at The Funky Buddha Lounge, 728 W. Grand.
> Check the website for more info about the night.
> http://www.purewpcm.com
> 
> Hope that answers your questions.
> 
> Peace then, the next time.
> 
> PURE/WPCM
> 
> 
> 

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On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, me wrote:

> ----
> wouldnt this be more like "techno-c/c++"?? :>
> (java doesnt have the # directives or const)
> (yes, i am being a geek)
> (just because i am doing vms macro at the moment)
> 
> a vax user and proud of it,
> john.dove

Well the Java part of TechnoJava doesn't really stand for the computer
language.  It comes from a local organization called Guru Java that
usually brings in rock/folk acts.  However, once a semester the Purude
Raves community uses them to provide sound and space for some local DJs to
do their thing. Hence TechnoJava.

A lot of us are engineering/computer freaks here which explains the design
of this e-flyer.

Last semester though a couple of computer nerds showed up actually
thinking it was going to be a lecture on the Java language.  I think they
actually enjoyed themselves despite the surprise!  

I think it was the computer generated electronic noises (which, by the
way, is exactly the same sounds the thoughts of comptuer nerds make when
they think)  that won them over.


Adam Meadows



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> I think it was the computer generated electronic noises (which, by the
> way, is exactly the same sounds the thoughts of comptuer nerds make
> when they think)  that won them over.
> 
Oh! So that's what those strange noises I keep hearing in my head are.
That clears up so much for me; I thought I was being possessed by Mr.
Babbage or something.  


peace 'n love,
angel O:)

+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
humoring the masses on a windy Friday afternoon



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     Hey can anyone shed some light on the styles/talent of these DJ's that 
     are spinning at Soul Revival 3??  Feel free to just email them to me 
     if ya don't want to start a flame war :)
     
     Also, is anyone on the list going?  If I go I'll be wearing a white 
     Glaxo lab coat.
     
     DJ's
     -----
     gene farris   gantman  davey dave  mystic bill  
     
     aura  danny the wild child  jevon jackson  
     
     phantom 45  justin long  uno
     

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is this about the alien pills cut w/ antrophine?
           _ @_/`  XOXO,
          /  []       PRUGH   
         ~   \\                    
              //                       
             ~~

On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:06:53 -0600 (CST) "Craig Stodolenak"
<archon@execpc.com> writes:
>	Talk about your chemical brothers... the squad gets busy
>	among the local rave community to catch a serial killer
>	whose weapon of choice is tainted ecstasy.

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>so, how was this?!?
>
>>**TONIGHT**
>>New York Undercover
>>Thu, Mar 26
>>
>>9:00pm
>>FOX    60 min (CC)
>>
>>Moreno (Lauren Velez) poses as a rave organizer and Barker (Tommy Ford)
>>poses as a video director to try to catch a serial killer who strikes at
>>the all-night parties. Williams: Malik Yoba.
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
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They didn't show that episode.  They showed a different one.


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On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Jason Schroeder wrote:

> My Roomate, Pat Nice, received a call from the promoters for SupaGruva
> (sp)notifying him that the party has been cancelled.

do we by any chance have their info line? i don't have it anywhere...

anything else in the area if this is the case?

peace,
andrew


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I just called the 2gether productions info line and yes, it is confirmed
CANCELLED!

:-(
--LYNN--



>On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Jason Schroeder wrote:
>
>> My Roomate, Pat Nice, received a call from the promoters for SupaGruva
>> (sp)notifying him that the party has been cancelled.
>
>do we by any chance have their info line? i don't have it anywhere...
>
>anything else in the area if this is the case?
>
>peace,
>andrew


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well, I do believe ABC is having the first in their series of monthly
events, entitled DEF, on saturday night in Topeka.  Attending will be the
entire Soul Foundation Crew from Chicago.  I haven't called these #'s,
well, 'cause I live in Chicago and I'm not going, but there should be
some info on one of them.  785-357-8710 or 785-691-4096

have a good weekend, kids, and I'm workin' on a ride to Recess so I can
party Kansas style again :-)

				toastman



On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, andrew arnold wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Jason Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > My Roomate, Pat Nice, received a call from the promoters for SupaGruva
> > (sp)notifying him that the party has been cancelled.
> 
> do we by any chance have their info line? i don't have it anywhere...
> 
> anything else in the area if this is the case?
> 
> peace,
> andrew
> 



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Attention Promoters,

Looking thru my tour diary, I find that I'm playing a party in Baltimore on a
Sunday (!), May 24th, but I'm not playing Saturday night. This seems to be a
waste. I wanna spin !

If you have a slot open on Sat. May 23rd, T-1000 will come and rock your show.

Mail me back for terms or call me at 313-417-4471.

Later,

Alan

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well, here it is, another weekend with no parties to go to, well cept
for these sequel events, clubs, and concert-type-things.  I want to
know what ever happened to raves in chicago? i mean, does having a dj
classify something as a rave? i dont mean to get critical, but  I have
come to expect a little better from chi-town.  
     I think the kids have gotten to lenient, and will just go to a
party for the sake of going to one.  Not that clubs are wrong or
anything, but i hope there are many who would agree that smaller raves
are much more fun and productive.  putting your faith in clubs and the
metro (oh i remember tons of "alternative bands who played there when
that was big!) will just suck the life out of the scene and spit it
out after there's only crap left.  ah well, just thought i'd speak my
mind, keep it real.

PLUR
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Main DJ Booth at 2 am...sounds like a plan, man.  Should we post this to
the list?

peace 'n love,
angel O:)
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> meet at the dj booth?  how bout the main one at 2:00?
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---Dustin A Sledgianowski <plutoniumeater@juno.com> wrote:

> i started going to raves, parties, whatever about 4 years ago 
> when i started going the scene was way different from now
> but it was better even before i started going (that would be like 92 -
> the aahz parties if youve ever heard of those -orlando florida)
   
I'm from Orlando; really, there is so much nostalgia for the "good old
days" and talk about how eveyrthing is shallower/more commercial/less
vibe-y now but was it really that good or are some people looking at
memories through rose-colored glasses? true, when things are
underground they are more real, but I have friends from the Longwood
(Bongwood!) warehouse, Club Aahz days and they're not so nostalgic.
they love the music, but places like orlando and chicago started
squarely and surely in drug use. they were recounting all the people
they knew who had committed suicide, gone into addiction, or ended up
in jail and they were glad to get out when they did. i've been to
parties in new york city and in cocoa beach and i can tell you, the
cocoa beach ones were better and less jaded, but i was pretty fuckin'
scared for people drugging their bodies out, scene or no scene.

if what's going on now doesn't have integrity, then maybe it's time to
move to something less saddled with scene gods and old timers content
to rest on their laurels of their glory. 
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saturday, april 4 columbus, ohio
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Does anyone know of a low cost party accessible from the chicago area?

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Is anyone from Chicago getting a late start in driving down to St. Louis
tonight? If you are, PURE needs help getting Triple Threat fliers (Frankie
Bones, Felix da housecat, Roy Davis Jr. Live Sat 4,4,98) down to Horizons
in St. Louis tonight. If you can give us a hand, we'll make sure the favor
is returned (Guest list at Triple Threat etc.) Please ring us ASAP at
773.395.9298 so we can hook up. Thanks for the support!

Keep Dancin'
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Big thanks to Nuclear Family for giving me something different to do on
the Bradley campus this weekend. you should do this more often.

Space: Haussler Hall (little gymnasium/aerobics room?) 

Lights: very simple. blacklights, a strobe, one little red laser. just the
way I like it.

Sound: pretty good for the size and space.

Music: i failed to ask who was spinning when so most of the time I didn't  
know who i was dancing to (doh! *blushing*) but overall the music was
nice. max's set was short but sweet indeed. its a shame that so many
people missed angel alanis. oh well, their loss.

Leftovers:
+ got to see some familar faces... such as the one and only mikeyd.
- i would've liked to see more dancing. it got a little lonely on the
  dance floor towards the end of the nite. lotsa space tho ;) 

that's it.
-Peggy

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 29 14:10:20 1998
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okay, i go 3 reviews to throw down... 2 are from last weekend in detroit, and
one i just got back from in St. Louis.... 

Spring, Friday March 20, Detroit

we went to detroit... rained on us the whole fucking way... blah.. but joy, as
soon as we get to detroit it turns to snow.. woo, my testies leap and give you
a high five to the forehead... anyway... nice space... studio 95 rental hall
or some anal chedder like that... nice clean space.. i dug.. lights... ncie..
not bad... sound.. blew as... muddy muddy muddy bass.. got annoying... people
were very cool... i heard horror stories about the detroit kids... but i must
say they are as nice as people anywhere else... djs... hmmm, they put Juan
Atkins on first.. so i totally missed him.. great... what the fuck were they
thinking? then like the promoter or some one in the promo crew spun... hmmm...
missed him too... K. Hand... yawn yawn yawn... one of the most boring house
sets i have seen in a while... Aux88... kkkeeeeeeeeraaaaap!!! they were
horrid... when they actually decided to play a track, it was decent... they
let their dj, DJ digital spin for like 30 minutes.. ahhh.. he fucking
rocked... woody mcbride and hyperactive... ahhhh fuck yeah... that rocked so
hard...i was very happy...these guys play very well togther... other people
should book them and make them tag team... hint hint they spun nice minimal
techno.. on a crappy system it doesn't sound that minimal though.. hahaha..

system V, March 21, Detroit

hmmm... i wanted to see magda.. no one else really interested me on the
flyer... well.. i was very disappointed with magda... i dunno.. i guess my
friends just over hyped her to me... johnny saco.. i don't even remember his
set now... feelgood... hmmm, i have heard my friend spin those records a
million times... nice mixing, but i am sick of those tracks.. .. scott
henry... woooooooooooo oh my gosh.. he spun like hard shit for quite a while..
i was shocked.... of course he did throw down a break track or two... but
overall i was impressed with his set... eric g aka hipp-e... also not
memorable... space was a nice warehouse... for anyone who knows, it looked
like a smaller, newer, cleaner marathon village... was cool... they had
portopots and space heaters there... good call guys!... lights.. um... same
dude who did them friday.. same show.... haha... sound.. good.. burst fuggin
rocks.. they had a free afters hours at shelter.. sound system there sucked..
their mixer was broken... and i was tired as fuck and had a was sick and
headache by this point... 

Horizons, March 28, St. Louis...

ughhhhhhhh... nooooo...went to this by myself... all alone.. cause my friends
bailed on me.. they always do... haha.. fuck them... may they grow testicles
on top of their nipples... anyway... good thing about traveling alone.. i got
to do a lot of thinking.. 4 hours worth.... and i got to do the same on the
way back.... my head hurts from all the thinking... hmmm, i got lost when i
got to st. louis.. looked like a concert or something let out... it was
weird.. .people were everywhere... some how i got directed by the cops to 70
west.. wee.. no... find my way to the space... south 7th street.. um, thanks
for the directions on how to get to the space... some promoters have this cool
idea of letting you just know the address of the space, and making you find it
you damn self... weird... space... um.. dusty.. dirty.. i think the first
floor was  the second room.. um.. they had all the lights down there..
weird... no smoking inside... oh what a joy... st. louis had a lot of
eyecandy... nothing like seeing the teenage bimbo club squad walk through with
pants on so tight you see the pores in their ass... oh well, as long as they
have fun, who cares... nice asses by the way.. .haha... um... who ever they
had for the first 2 djs in the first floor... were um... i dunno.. first guys
was okay dnb.. second guy, man, intelligent jungle... i wanted to fall asleep
from that shit.. ugh.. and i almost would have if it weren't for his mixing...
haha or lack there of i should say... some house dude hops on.. people dance,
i rejoice, this guy doesn't suck!!!>.  or at least suck as bad...  anyway.. i
left.. having a less than pleasant time.. decent party, i just thought the
ride there was better than the party.. haha um note... got home... had to blow
my nose... i dunno what was in that space.. .but it looked like i spent days
snorting coffee grinds... weird... um... i kept my streak alive.. someone
asked why i don't smile.. hahahah.. weird... i told her to ask me that when
she wasn't wearing pants next time... i dunno... i think you should have to
pay to talk to me at parties.. .my time is valuable... hell, i should get paid
for every hour i am awake... do realize how much time i waste a day being
awake? THAT IS STUPID!!! i am up like 10 hours a day... and i sleep the other
14.. shit.. do you know how hard it is to be rested on only 14 hours of sleep
a night??? god.. some people

paul

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Did anyone go to the Poor Boy party last night in Detroit?  I'm asking
because my friend went and never came home.  Nobody answers his cell
phone, so I am afraid something shitty happened.  If anyone on the list
heard of any hospital emergencies or police busts or anything there last
night, please e-mail me immediately.  The party was at the Packard in
Detroit.  He was with another short guy with a mohawk that might have
been wearing a bright green hat.

Thanks for any help,

jeff


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I was able to contact my friend.  Some communications broke down, and I was
worried for no reason.  Thanks for your concern.  He cell phone was out of
batteries and he decided he didn't want to go home for awhile.  I apologize
for writing prematurely about this.

jeff

P.S.  I hear the party (Searchin'), was excellent.  Many props to the Poor
Boy crew.  Everything I hear about them is good.



Jeff wrote:

> Did anyone go to the Poor Boy party last night in Detroit?  I'm asking
> because my friend went and never came home.  Nobody answers his cell
> phone, so I am afraid something shitty happened.  If anyone on the list
> heard of any hospital emergencies or police busts or anything there last
> night, please e-mail me immediately.  The party was at the Packard in
> Detroit.  He was with another short guy with a mohawk that might have
> been wearing a bright green hat.
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> jeff




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Sometimes I think it would be nice to get political again, tho not for
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Saturday morning and I'm fighting a hangover as I head down to London for
the Cannabis demo, its an overcast, not too hopefull looking day. Drink a
coffee then decide to try to sleep again. 

London, during the day, not something I often see and the tube is packed
full of sweaty ppl, but not a lot of signs of ppl making thier way to the demo.

Hyde Park at about midday and there is a small gaggle of ppl standing around
holding gren balloons. It all looks a bit sad, a grey day, not many ppl. Oh
dear.

I wander around, meet several ppl from various mailing lists - including
Neil and Stuey from UKCIA, of course Alun and the CLCIA crew from Norwich,
not to mention several ppl from UK-d.

12.30 gets close and the numbers have grown a bit. Looking over Hyde park
there seems to be this wave of humanity walking our way and suddenly the
crowd has grown and I realise I cant find anyone I was with.

A little late, it turns in to a huge demo as we set off toward Trafalgar
Square. I enjoy a good demo, it has to be said, and this was a very good one.

The air was scented by the smoke from hundreds of joints and pipes as ppl
flaunted the ban on smoking cannabis, the police stood by and did nothing,
well, what could they do?

It was a huge tide of humanity which filled the road as far into the
distance as I could see. A couple of times I was able to climb on a wall and
get a veiw over ppls heads, it really was a sight, flags, banners, big
"joints" and cut out cannabis leaves.

The ppl watching seemed amused, some were not too happy but I would say most
were enjoying the spectacle, a bus drove past with the conductor hanging out
of the doorway waving at us, even some of the police were smiling.

The West end must have been brought to a halt as we rounded Picadilly circus
and as we made our way down to Trav square, I began to realise just how
stoned I, and I guess everyone else, had got. Very, very stoned indeed.

The square was packed by the time I got there and the speaches were well
underway. Of those I heard Howard Marks gets my vote, but the classmate of
William Straw (the home secretary's son) came a close second.

Alun and co can be proud of the CLCIAs contribution to events and the event
has done them no harm at all, getting a front page mention in the
Independent as well as a mention from Rosy Boycott, the Editor of the IoS.

The rally finished, but by now the grey day had given way to warm sunshine
and ppl were happy enough where they were, so Trav square hosted a smoke-in
which was still going on some two hours after the march finished.

The visual aid of the demo has to be the big phat one stuck in the Lions
mouth at the base of Nelsons column, cannabis humour at its best.

I made it over to the Interface Pirate radio and we played my video of the
event out on their real video, and thats where I stayed for the night.

I really can't believe that Jack Straw will try to ignore this, let alone
try and further restrict cannabis. If there's another cannabis march, its a
dead cert to be bigger, they will lose this fight.

On the whole, I am very tired, but very, very happy.

Derek
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Hi everyone and everyone,,,

My web page is finally under construction, thanks to a little reading and
some wonderful photography by Robert Barbutti and Associates, Ltd.
Photography.
The page is located at http://www.wenet.net/~deepfog .

Hope to see you all soon!

-=deepfog=-




From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 29 21:50:55 1998
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>> i started going to raves, parties, whatever about 4 years ago
>> when i started going the scene was way different from now
>> but it was better even before i started going (that would be like 92 -

>I'm from Orlando; really, there is so much nostalgia for the "good old
>days" and talk about how eveyrthing is shallower/more commercial/less
>vibe-y now but was it really that good or are some people looking at
>memories through rose-colored glasses?

I don't think many people would accuse me of being nostalgic, but lately I
have noticed some very real, measurable, indications that things have
indeed slipped downhill.  That is, at least hear in the Ohio Valley region
of the Midwest.  About 2 years ago I had a realization while spinning a
party in Lafayette, IN: No one was actually hearing the music I was
playing... they were so fucked up they were just kinda in their own little
world hearing the music they wanted to hear in their minds.  I'm saying
that half the people were'nt even in rhythm... I just lost my motivation.
Why was I working so hard if no one was hearing it?

Last night I decided to step out and drive up to Cincinnati for Innocent.
Here's the evidence: A sloppily assembled party where the two sound systems
were separated by black plastic (which has absolutely no sound muffling
properties,) a headliner that didn't show up (DJ Funk,) and a room full of
kids who did more standing than dancing.  There is a huge difference in the
depth of a party right there.  As for commercial and less "vibey,"  All I
can say is that inter-city politics has played an increasing role in how
parties are organized these days.  The old, "If you book my DJ friend, I'll
book your DJ friend" has resulted in more hype over, at best, mediocre sets
than anything else.  And as for vibes.... hey, that's the party-goers
responsibility.  You will never know what you're capable of until you
try... if no one tries to do their part the party is gonna be empty.  I
think everyone should go to a party thinking, "what am I going to add to
the event," instead of they better throw a good party.

When I did acid house parties in Baltimore half of organizing a good party
was getting the right party-people there.  Simply booking the DJs and
setting up a good space wasn't going to ensure a good party.  Even Emily
Post will tell you the guests are 1/2 the party.

I don't know about rose coloured glasses, but, I can tell you that there
was a time when people danced... no matter what their pharmacological state
may have been.  These days, I'm not sure why people even bother going to a
party if they aren't going to participate.  $25 is a lot of money to spend
on the chance of buying drugs, and having a place to take them...

>if what's going on now doesn't have integrity, then maybe it's time to
>move to something less saddled with scene gods and old timers content
>to rest on their laurels of their glory.

Who's content anyway... No one gets any laurels without the approval of the
scene itself.  If these people aren't all that then maybe it's time to look
at the complacent party-goers who are too apathetic, self-absorbed or just
plain fucked up to notice they aren't getting what they paid for.  Don't
blaim the people in charge, it's the people who pay for parties that keep
the power structure in place.

In otherwords, Do YOUR Part!  That's the main discrepency between the ages.



                                                  --Kell

_____________________________________________________________________________
Kell Douglas Pollard, Architect                          Phone  : 606.268.9843
Lexington, KY                                       email: kdpoll1@pop.uky.edu
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 29 23:44:20 1998
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Hi everyone!

On my website I now have a streaming audio (RealAudio) radio station. I
hope to have a schedule up sometime this week, but for now I'm just
broadcasting periodically.

http://ravelaunch.home.ml.org

Thanks for letting me promote my little web page. :-) Let me know if you
like it. 

L8R
Ben / DJ Elroy

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 29 23:47:38 1998
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I had a grand time, and I thank everyone who came.  I thank everyone who 
stayed after I had a chat with the police too. From 9-12 it was packed 
and nutty...from 12-5 it was tight! Everyone who came and those who 
stayed after all the beer was removed were quite a great group of about 
60 people.
Our special guest star dj dica got things rollin again after our visit 
with the fuzz. Thanks Boyee!

 Plus, we are donating 120 cans of food to Food Not Bombs!

I was  very happy with my last party here in this house (I 'm moving out 
after 2 years and 4 great parties)  

thanks again
Elaine


aka DJ Miscellaneous          http://www.barkingcat.org/eos/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
		eos@barkingcat.org





From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 30 00:55:55 1998
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>Our special guest star dj dica got things rollin again after our visit 
>with the fuzz. Thanks Boyee!

hey, that's SUPER star dj dica.  darnit!  :P

i had a good time while i was there.  thanks to the brady crew for throwin
a solid party... wish i coulda made it before everyone left!  oh well!

so, i heard watt's up sucked (as expected)... someone confirm!  :P

___________________________________________________________________________
........... jon/dica ........... jabraun@students.wisc.edu ................
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.. rinsin' out every thursday, 12-3am central time at http://www.msr.org ..
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..................... brock out with your cock out! .......................
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 30 01:46:02 1998
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well I didnt get to go to either one, I chilled at friends house in milwakee
for a while but kicked it out of town b4 shit even got started cuz i was going
to go and flyer at watts up..... so by the time I get ready to go somebody
called 
me and said dont bother cuz the sound was turned down and then the party was
shut down cuz of liquor on the grounds i guess, which sucks cuz the loophole
in that little law is that if you lock it away, you can go all night, but if
its accessable at all you have to close at 2:30........   so I ended up going
to the after party here in town to 
see what people were doing and shit, got to hear Adeptus spin a kick-ass set,
then d-on rockin the crowd as usual..... BUT, the fun police shut it down
then, so again i went to the after-after party and here I am..........

so I guess i didnt really have anything important to say at all....



"what ya gonna do, when eucalyptus runs wild on you????????""


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 30 07:23:30 1998
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proudly present:

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 30 13:23:41 1998
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> 
> Sometimes I think it would be nice to get political again, tho not for
> this cause. . .
> 
> -- R


How about "citizens.for.a.better.tommorow"
An organization of the eclectic conscious collective.
We need memes and media viruses.
People with heart and ideas.
some open-minded people with a lot
of passion
we need points of transmission for the uplink to create
total 100% worldwide communication....
for free transmission of information
we are one
we are the soul of Gaia

for more info check out these beacons
http://www.2013.org
http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/ef/
http://www.uta.fi/~samu/smarts2.html
http://www.city-net.com/~arianna/
http://www.hyperreal.org

remember-the internet is a community not a corporation


From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 30 16:06:07 1998
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"woo, my testies leap and give you
a high five to the forehead... anyway... "
***********************************************
ummmm.....I'll have what he's having......

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 30 16:15:41 1998
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LOCATION:  Downtown St. Louis, 7th Street warehouse (same place as
TerrorNova), 2 floors, paid/secured parking.

My sweetheart (Jeff Falvo) and I arrived around 10:45.  We could hear
the music pounding from the offramp :)  Very few people there, of
course, but it gave us a good chance to peruse the place.  The main dj
booth was kickin hard w/ some tasty jungle (of the jump-up variety, I
believe).  Upstairs the system just got grooving w/ some deep house.
The dj's name was Phil; he spun a great set that got the peeps there
moving.  

Later on we ran into John, Tammy, the couple from Arkansas, and Darren
from the Tranceplant crew.  Tam, John, Jeff and I passed out some more
leaflets about the scene w/ some candy.  This made everyone smile.  It
was fun to "trade" propaganda w/ the others who were flyering too.  :)
Mostly everyone was hanging outside on the "patio" smoking and talking.
It did get quite warm inside, plus there was no smoking.

At about 1:30 or so, Stacy Pullam (sp?) took over.  His intro was most
creative; drum riffs and some other silly stuff.  He threw down some
sweet thumpin & jumpin deep progressive style house.   This brought
everyone inside to check the grooves.  The vibe was really great.
Everyone was dancing, smiling and seemed to be making the most of their
night.  Unfortunately for me, I got a headache.  Probably caused by my
allergy to dust and stuff.  This place was extremely dirty, plus, the
hard hitting bass made dirt and stuff fall from the ceiling.  The crew
had both systems pushing maximum wattage, it seemed like. We left close
to 3 am, filthy as ever.  

As for the net meet; sorry folx, I totally forgot about it.  I was up by
the main booth at 2, though.  I had on a white baby-T w/ rainbow stripes
on the collar and sleeves, phat pants w/ shades of blue stripes on the
sides, and multicolor nail polish (and blue & orange glowsticks).
Maybe next time me and my bad-addled brain won't forget.  duh.  

For the crew & dj's of Horizons, mad props; the lights, sound & venue
were excellent.  Many hugs to them and all our friends, past, present &
future.

peace 'n love,
angel O:)
-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-
me:  "The sky is falling!"
Jeff: "No, I think it's the ceiling."

From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 30 18:26:40 1998
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Hello all,

I just wanted to introduce myself since I am a newbie to this list.  I moved
to St. Louis about a month and a half ago from Houston, Texas.  Before that,
I spent 4 1/2 lovely years in Waco, Texas going to Baylor University (ravers
were very rare at this school).  Yes, the home of those groovey branch
davidians.  I started raving about three years ago in order to quench my
thirst for excitement while being stuck in one of the most boring towns in
Texas.  For the most part, me and my girlfriend Michelle (Angel on the list)
would take trips to Austin, Texas to absorb the good vibes.  Houston was
always the location for some of the biggest paries I have ever attended.
Namely, the ones that "The Matrix Crew" would throw.  Overall, the Texas
scene was young but fairly strong.  I was glad to learn the meaning of PLUR
from all the great people I met down there.

Recently, I attended "Tranceplant" in Columbia, MO and "Horizons" in St.
Louis.  Tranceplant was a great time for me.  The space looked a bit odd
from the outside (some country music space) but it was large enough for all
the good vibes.  The trance DJ's (especially Jeremiah) pretty much floored
me.  I haven't heard a good amount of trance at a party in a long time and
was pleasantly suprised.  The sound was pretty clean and just large enough
for the space. There could have been a few more lights and a fog machine,
but all the blacklights gave the space an interesting feel.  Overall, a
great party which was somewhat unexpected.

Next, I attended Horizons that was held just this last weekend in downtown
St. Louis.  I really dug on the space as a downtown dusty warehouse has
always been my idea of an ideal rave location.  The excessive amount of dust
did leave me with some interesting nose artifacts to study afterwards though
:)  I wasn't too impressed with the first handful of Dj's in either of
rooms.  An intelligent jungle set just before midnight was somewhat out of
place and seemed to clear the dancefloor downstairs.  The first house DJ
upstairs (Phil) threw down some pretty good tracks that got me grooving but
after him the sound became very muddy and the tunes were a little too vocal
for my taste.  The highlight of the night was hearing Stacey Pullen in the
main room.  He had the dancefloor packed and the energy was at peak levels
during his hard progressive house set.  The sound downstairs was pretty phat
but they were pushing a bit too hard at times.  The lights consisted of a
nice array of trackspots, dataflashes, and emulators.  Definetely solid!
Overall, it was a pretty fun party but I did expect more people.

Last, I'd just like to thank all the Midwest peeps I have met so far for
making me feel at home and part of their family (you know who you are).  The
vibe has been genuine, and I am looking forward to a great Spring and Summer
hopefully full of great parties (some outdoor ones would be very tasty
indeed :)

Take care and keep the peace!
Jeff Falvo
~~~DJ Crazy J~~~




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I am lookin' to buy some intelligent lighting in the next few months or   
so.  Something w/ multi colors & patterns.  360' rotation preferably.   
 Set of 2 or 3.  Something I can take with me as I go. . .mobile, you   
know.  Any ideas 4 me?  Lemme know.

Anyway. . .i went to innocent in cincy last sat nite cuz i'm from cincy.

thx
mike
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In a message dated 3/30/98 11:05:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JLEWIN1@wpo.it.luc.edu writes:

> "woo, my testies leap and give you
>  a high five to the forehead... anyway... "
>  ***********************************************
>  ummmm.....I'll have what he's having......

after many replies similar to this will tell you all that i was straight up
sober when i did this.. those who know me know the stupid shit like that i can
say, so you can just ask them.. they have heard me say stupider shit than
that..haha

oh yeah,  I WANNA DIP MY BALLS IN IT!!!

sorry

paul

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4/1- Sabotage, SF
4/11- Doornroosje, Nijmegen, The Netherlands
4/12- H20 Club, Kortrijk, Belgium
4/22- Ann Arbor, MI
4/25- April Foolz, The Poconos NY (four-deck tag team w/ Adam X)
5/2- Chicago, IL
5/9- Lincoln, Nebraska
5/16- tba
5/24- Excelerator, Baltimore, MD
5/30- Detroit, MI
6/6- Burlington, CT
6/13- Detroit, MI
6/27- Chicago, IL
7/18- A Pure Sonik Evening record release party, Detroit, MI w/ DJ T-1000
(three hour set), Regis live (1st Detroit appearance), Portion Reform (1st
Detroit appearance), Kikoman.

DJ T-1000's new album "A Pure Sonik Evening" is out in June on Pure Sonik.

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> the only music the majority of the people like is breaks, or progressive
> house (the more underground side goes toward breaks, the clubbier side
> house)
> nobody knows what hardcore is, or detroit techno, or goa, or deep house,
> or hardhouse, or anything like that
> people shudder when they hear the word jungle

well i've never been to a party in florida so things there might be
hopeless by now, but if they're not, here's a possibility: throw a party
yourself + don't book a single person to play breaks or progressive house.
book people who will spin the stuff you said that they (florida people)
don't even know what it is (and jungle). you might even have to say they
will play breaks + progressive house (i.e. a little lie), but dishonesty
is not a good thing for promoting so i guess that would be a last resort.
anyway, the majority of the people at a party with all music they never
knew existed would be pretty confused, but some would end up liking it.
you could think of it as a war on narrow-mindedness i guess. situations
like that call for extreme measures. so do whatever you have to to improve
things there, or if the place is beyond hope, move to the midwest =D where
it's better and leave them to rot in their ignorance.

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Well - it was a good party, and a bad party.

Space - VFW hall in Janesville.  I though this space was going to suck,
it was pretty small.  But I actually ended up liking it after all.  The
attendance was in the area of 500, so it worked out.  Two rooms, some big
hallways & a secret V.I.P. room upstairs.

Sound - The main room sound sucked.  The 2nd (Jungle room) sound was OK,
but could have been better.  I think a good part of the problem was that
the sound crew was late and didn't really have time to get things set up
properly, but some of the cabinets were shit too.  The sound guy from
Sandman is really nice, and he _seems_ to know what he's doing, but this
is not the first time I've heard one of thier shows sound bad...

Lights - I'm kinda biased on this part, but I think I did a good job. 
The laser looks increadible in small spaces, with the beams just barely
over your head, and I got there early enough to do some new programming
for the Mini Ultra Scans, which I was also very happy with.  Maybe
someone else can let me know what they thought...  2nd room lights did
the job, but there wasn't much effort put into programming (I didn't do
the 2nd room lighting).

Music - In the main room, there was some nice trance from Kwest to start
the night off.  Then Liquid G-Zus played hardcore.  I couldn't tell if he
was a bad DJ, or if the sound system was just bad, but it was probably a
little of both.  Then it was Kid Ikarus.  I'll be nice and say he needs
some practice, rather than being blatent and saying he sucked.  Next up,
Mumtaz - definatly the highlight of the evening.  Banging techno,
scratching, tricks and all that.  This is the 3rd time I've seen him, and
it's been great every time.  The good music was all set to continue with
Adeptus, but then it was shut down...more on that later - In the 2nd
room, it was all Jungle.  I didn't get to hear everything, but I did hear
at least a little bit of each DJ.  Everyone sounded pretty tight.  The
live P.A. from Purpose was nice.  Props to Wild Bill & Cloud for the
M.C.ing too.

Shut down...here's the story.  The owners of the space assumed that as
long as the bar was closed at 2:30, that the it was legal & OK to
continue the party in the [seperate] hall.  Well, a patron of the bar had
asked how late the party was going.  When he was told 8am, he said "You
can't do that.  It's against the ordinance.", or somthing to that effect.
 So (here's the big mistake), the space owner called the police
department to find out if this was true.  Sure enough, it was, and they
proceded to end the party at 2:30.  Originally, they wanted to move it to
someone's farm which was in the area, but they checked it out and I guess
they decided it wasn't appropriate.   So they moved it back to Madison to
Williby's Cafe (Where Heaven & Hell and Bootyfull were).  Which is OK for
hanging out at on a Friday night, but not so great for a big party. 
Needless to say, it was hot and crowded.  Someone in the neighborhood got
pissed off & called the cops.  The cops came, felt it was over capacity
(which it was), and shut it down too.

Overall - It was a disappointment.  More so due to the early shut down,
rather than the party itself.  Most of the music was good, and it
probably would have only gotten better.  The space was good for the
amount of people who showed up.  The lighting was good, and they seemed
to be working the bugs out of the sound system.  I did have a good time
despite all the problems.

Better luck next time ?... 

Joe Carroll - Dynamic Sound & Lighting - Dynamic Groove Productions
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Jennifer Lewin wrote:

> "woo, my testies leap and give you
> a high five to the forehead... anyway... "
> ***********************************************
> ummmm.....I'll have what he's having......

I was there.... Paulie's nuts didn't hit him in the forehead, they hit
him square in the nuts... being a long, cold road trip Paulie's nads
were numb from the cold and sitting in the car for so long... and
y'know... people get hungry on long road trips... Paulie was hankerin'
for a hunk o' cheese, but thought "this'll do" when hit with the scrotal
sandwich... it was only after a few bites that he realized what had
happened..

of course... if you still want what he's having... by all means... send
him some e-mail...

-- 
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> I always thought it would be 
> cool to have a party in some forest somewhere.  The lighting possibilities 
> alone are pretty wild.  I think dancing among the trees would be a wild 
> experience.  

does anybody else remember harvest moon in 95? there were 2 areas + 1 was
in the woods. it did look cool in the night when there were lasers
shooting through trees and stuff. that party was cold. half the time i'm
not prepared for outdoor parties. =o got to remember sweatshirts and rain
jackets and extra shoes...

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dj fishead wrote:
> 
> Jennifer Lewin wrote:
> 
> > "woo, my testies leap and give you
> > a high five to the forehead... anyway... "
> > ***********************************************
> > ummmm.....I'll have what he's having......
> 
> I was there.... Paulie's nuts didn't hit him in the forehead, they hit
> him square in the nuts... being a long, cold road trip Paulie's nads
> were numb from the cold and sitting in the car for so long... and
> y'know... people get hungry on long road trips... Paulie was hankerin'
> for a hunk o' cheese, but thought "this'll do" when hit with the 
> scrotal sandwich... it was only after a few bites that he realized 
> what had happened..
> 
> of course... if you still want what he's having... by all means... 
> send him some e-mail...

y'know.. this makes a HELL of a lot more sense when it says "they hit
him square in the mouth..."  which is what I meant...

but his nuts hitting him in the nuts... well... that's certainly more
surreal and conjures images of those clacking office toy things.

-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
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some friends of mine are throwing an event in August and are looking for
emulator lasers for it.   If anyone knows where I can rent them, or if
anyone knows of a package that includes emulators, let me know.

peace
Aaron Schumacher


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ok i think i'm gonna stop posting weekly cuz nobody probably pays
attention to me anyway, so here are the solar lineups for the next couple
weeks:

(add disco d to all of those)

april 1:  d.wynn, adam g.

april 8:  terrence parker + chicago house contingency

april 15: twonz, chuck hampton, carlos souffront

april 22: omegaman

april 29: kenny larkin, dj eclipse


for more info call 313.913.9738

hope to see ya there :)
**doris**


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i was curious as to what might/will be going on in either st.louis or
champaign the weekend of april25 or may2 as i am definitely going to
st.louis one of those weekends. i also hear that champaign is pretty dope
=) 

peace,
andrew


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Is anyone from the Ann Arbor or Detroit area plannign on going down to
Chicago for the party this friday?  Joey Beltram, Robert Armani, Terry
Mullen, Justin Long, etc... it looks good but we'll be in Cleveland the
night after.  If anyone is going and would flier a bit for us... we'll
guestlist for our party May 16th.  Email priivately if interested.
Thanks!
Becky


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kinda a vague review.....

Sound in one of the rooms blew ass.
the way i heared it from justin from sandman sound is that liqiud
jesus blew it ( some hard core dj)

the jungle room was fun
when the party was getting shut down, anonymous and nihm decided to
m.c and moon the crowd...that was one of the things that went on in
there.

mumtaz fuckin rocks
ive seen him 4 times now, he always throws down really tight
entertaing sets ( lota scratching, tricks and general good mixes)

cops arent fun people

all in all the party coulda been better

my highlights from watts up.....

anonymous trying to m.c.
nihm and anonymous mooning the crowd, and throwing in filler music...(
this consisted of ska and noise being scratched).
mumtaz's set
all the acts in the jungle room...some werent that good but it was
still fun anyway.
my friend john basinski making a appearence.

well i guess thas about it...

---alan (i really dont have that much to say about watts up, then
again when do i ever have much to say?!?!?)




==



"How about a nice warm glass of shut the hell up?"

_________________________________________________________
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In the spirit to all that is ravee...
We at the Free Art!! think-tank send a big hallos 
and watsups to each and everyone of you ravee-types out there!!

Your pals,
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n a message dated 3/30/98 11:29:58 PM Central Standard Time, KrispDJ writes:

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From: Bfl Dsastr <BflDsastr@aol.com>
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Let's try this again.   Scroll down.

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From: Kirtis59 <Kirtis59@aol.com>
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Laurel,
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To: Badkay@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:23:48 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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hello sweety

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From: Eve12168 <Eve12168@aol.com>
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To: KLenz45633@aol.com, HLenz49415@aol.com, Hottr99608@aol.com,
	BJo4323376@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:05:12 EST
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From: Frzndude <Frzndude@aol.com>
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To: Eve12168@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:32:51 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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From: JustMe1368 <JustMe1368@aol.com>
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To: OhBoy78507@aol.com, ODIE539557@aol.com, Draco7169@aol.com, Lagartio@aol.com,
	Lowercap@aol.com, Caddy0ne@aol.com, WNT2NIBBLE@aol.com, POTTY4U@aol.com,
	BenEJets@aol.com, TweetieUC1@aol.com, Youllnever@aol.com,
	FlirtTessa@aol.com, B1python@aol.com, WOLF185O@aol.com, RowpenUP@aol.com,
	PitbullAsh@aol.com, Frzndude@aol.com, SwetDreem@aol.com,
	Fatboy8682@aol.com, CWade91665@aol.com, JOHNBO2168@aol.com,
	POOR14ME@aol.com, KGB103068@aol.com, JonnyB2C@aol.com, DT138@aol.com,
	Dperv69@aol.com, ImailMe@aol.com, Cantstpnow@aol.com, LPerdue532@aol.com,
	MSS102486@aol.com, BadDog4242@aol.com, Golagros@aol.com,
	Crukedbarl@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:45:12 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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From: JOHNBO2168 <JOHNBO2168@aol.com>
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To: Dymples868@aol.com, KHris64900@aol.com, CcsStAnG@aol.com, Sexxyazgal@aol.com,
	BRbest2215@aol.com, Wsprinwind@aol.com, AirHeadME@aol.com,
	JENNIP0033@aol.com, Chumbly111@aol.com, R0N1@aol.com, TankedWolf@aol.com,
	SOFTOU1@aol.com, Rpo9999@aol.com, HanSoloIII@aol.com, PAMRN99@aol.com,
	PUDDER2121@aol.com, SexyAngl21@aol.com, Loveinfool@aol.com,
	LilBones2@aol.com, TheBoss36@aol.com, RIDDLE1201@aol.com,
	Calmpofs@aol.com, JustMe1368@aol.com, Rainy79766@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:01:42 EST
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From: Shyybabe <Shyybabe@aol.com>
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To: JOHNBO2168@aol.com, PUDDER2121@aol.com, Wrwzd@aol.com, PHANTOMWLF@aol.com,
	Capt3035@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:40:09 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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=o)

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From: Rebel1802 <Rebel1802@aol.com>
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To: Shyybabe@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:20:01 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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From: HOTZNUM1 <HOTZNUM1@aol.com>
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To: DEGREY@aol.com, RSSOON@aol.com, JJANETX@aol.com, Harlaquin4@aol.com,
	SUITEVIPER@aol.com, Wizard705@aol.com, RTRWASH50@aol.com,
	M44HOSS@aol.com, FIREFTR633@aol.com, LOTTIE63@aol.com, Rebel1802@aol.com,
	FIZFRY@aol.com, DougK@cybertron.com, Brneyes240@aol.com,
	JSweet424@aol.com, Shonerized@aol.com, GLock2224@aol.com,
	CybrWolf73@aol.com, YVETTExox@aol.com, BIGGENMOB@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:16:48 EST
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This one's cuter than the last one I sent!

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From: YVETTExox <YVETTExox@aol.com>
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To: Fuff25@aol.com, MoonPie24@aol.com, ARLV@aol.com, HOTZNUM1@aol.com,
	Xsentrix@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:41:49 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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From: HpyPhntom <HpyPhntom@aol.com>
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To: ALICE9663@aol.com, DBustman@aol.com, NOBODY70@aol.com, PSsundance@aol.com,
	JFR777@aol.com, Kamagirl@aol.com, Wakkogrrl@aol.com, LorasLuv@aol.com,
	Braindrop@aol.com, Katymon99@aol.com, YVETTExox@aol.com,
	KitDawg62@yahoo.com, Gottoo2451@aol.com, Alanis0548@aol.com,
	Fumbling77@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:20:21 EST
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From: ThIsLoVe1 <ThIsLoVe1@aol.com>
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To: CONGOTIM@aol.com, CemtaryGts@aol.com, GregRG7@aol.com, HpyPhntom@aol.com,
	BigFire999@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:58:30 EST
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From: CemtaryGts <CemtaryGts@aol.com>
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To: ThIsLoVe1@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:27:15 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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From: LINUZS <LINUZS@aol.com>
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To: KBoudre101@aol.com, Wordiks@aol.com, Lastbndit@aol.com, Exodus136@aol.com,
	CemtaryGts@aol.com, DarkNyte25@aol.com, JESTERYYZ@aol.com,
	TTeeZZaa@aol.com, MTLCHIK1@aol.com, BJSIEN@aol.com, OzzyMadnes@aol.com,
	IcyRayne@aol.com, SavageTroy@aol.com, Revolt1999@aol.com, Seti12@aol.com,
	Izzy1962@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:08:38 EST
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From: KBoudre101 <KBoudre101@aol.com>
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To: LINUZS@aol.com, SavageTroy@aol.com, Seti12@aol.com, OIi10@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:11:48 EST
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From: Wolves72 <Wolves72@aol.com>
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To: pooh-rules@juno.com, jimandstacey@worldnet.att.net, tiachiman@hotmail.com,
	yzzo@Juno.com, Musicman44@aol.com, PBellrose@aol.com, rcrispo@rivier.edu,
	Mibbkaclh@aol.com, APR25M@aol.com, Geogirl91@aol.com, NJDESIRED@aol.com,
	MsRoc1018@aol.com, MariKazz@aol.com, WIZRDCHIC7@aol.com,
	DeerBabe7@aol.com, Lmlioneyes@aol.com, Skootie123@aol.com,
	Nikki252@aol.com, Cap4562688@aol.com, USnuglMe@aol.com,
	Bjkarla18@aol.com, SandraD406@aol.com, MetallCatt@aol.com,
	JSonne1011@aol.com, JINXX999@aol.com, VBaker2979@aol.com,
	KBoudre101@aol.com, Lv2tig@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:06:08 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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From: PBellrose <PBellrose@aol.com>
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To: Bray3001@aol.com, Tngksr63@aol.com, mrbobb@rocketmail.com,
	Cntygirl71@aol.com, DRAKECANE@aol.com, Thnksnow67@aol.com,
	Wolves72@aol.com, IShipler@aol.com, Stanann@Utech.Net, Marlbo78@aol.com,
	Cormic97@aol.com, EXO1234@aol.com, HAPPYNYNA1@aol.com, Ptoo@aol.com,
	Rsbellrose@aol.com, mamasue@losberros.sbceo.k12.ca.us,
	Musicman44@aol.com, SBest49356@aol.com, Foxymoon74@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:11:10 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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From: Boomboomer <Boomboomer@aol.com>
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To: PBellrose@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 23:19:22 EST
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Thought you's like this.

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From: Atl Taz <AtlTaz@aol.com>
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To: DAWHITE@na.ko.com, Patrick136@aol.com, BradboyNC@aol.com, Boomboomer@aol.com,
	SMLucia@aol.com, ddomke@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:26:33 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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From: SM Lucia <SMLucia@aol.com>
Return-path: <SMLucia@aol.com>
To: Sherry1117@aol.com, Tmronnie@aol.com, DIZZYMARZ@aol.com, TORO35@aol.com,
	AtlTaz@aol.com, LOGI01369@aol.com
Cc: davidt@datacruz.com, DLMCC@cbd.net, ejw47@juno.com, JoSchmo@msn.com,
	MrLandlord@juno.com
Subject: This is for you ....... and for you to pass on
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:02:11 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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         ____                            _______
____ 
           _____(       \                        .-/             \-.
/        )______
          ( _____          \______          /     (o     o)    \
______/           ______)
        (______                       \__ _ (           ^          ) _ __/
______)
          (______         _____________\     .____.    /_____________
______) 
                (_______/                        ` - ._____. -'
\________)
     
                                       <HUG>
       You have just been hugged!! That's right, there's no getting out of it
this time!! This is the start of a full-scale Hug O' War! So hug everyone you
know!!! Hug your friends, your enemies, everyone!! With all the other forwards
out there, I thought this would be a good one to start. The hug is my favorite
sign of affection. It can mean so much, and many things at the same time. It
can be a sign of love, friendship, comfort or anything! So here you go. There
is no curse on this letter. It does not guarantee you good or bad luck. All I
can say it will do is brighten someone's day. I mean, we all need a hug once
in awhile. So send this on if you'd like, to anyone who may need a hug, send
it back to whoever sent it to you, send it back to me!! Heaven only knows, I
could REALLY use a hug sometimes. So anyway, send this on and show someone you
care!! 
      
      Hug O' War
      
      I will not play at Tug O' War
      I'd rather play at Hug O' War
      Where everyone hugs, instead of tugs
      And everyone giggles and rolls on the rug
      Where everyone kisses
      and everyone grins
      and everyone cuddles
      and everyone wins
                        ~~Shel Silverstein
    
    Smile and Be Happy!
    
     
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o$$$"                            
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                                                                   $$$$$$$$$$ 
                                                                     $$$$$$$$ 
    
    
    
    Have an absolutely
    wonderful day!!!
    << << <
     HAVE YA HUGGED A FRIEND TODAY¿   :-)
       .                
       .              ( ^ )_( ^ )( ^ )_( ^ )
                      /     o  o)(o  o     \ 
       .         __/      (    |  |    )       \_
       .       (_ /           *     *          (_ ) 
       .        /                                 | \
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       .        \__/            |                   |
       .         |                |                   |
       .          >               \                /
       .         <____,---,___| __/ |____>
       -----------------
       
       
     @}--)(-----Happy Online-----)(--{@ Friendship Week!!
       
            FROM ME TO YOU!!! 
                ___                         ____                         ___
                  ____(       \                      "        "
/      )____
                (____           \____          /   (0  0)   \           ____/
____)
              (____                      '-------(        )        )-------'
____)
                (____     ______________\  \____/  /_____________      ___)
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Kinda sucks...my girlfriend can't go...errrrr!!

Phil

A senseless post I know. Hopefully there might be a shindig with this
talent...prefably a nice loft party atmosphere instead of a ravee-type event.
That would be real cool. I haven't been to a loft party in ages. Anybody
remember 1355 N Milwaukee or the little shin-digs Derrick Carter & Spenser
Kincy used to throw (or at least spin at) on Lake Street or Halsted? Them's
were da sheeeit! 

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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:58:23 EST Phil Free Art writes:
>In the spirit to all that is ravee...
>We at the Free Art!! think-tank send a big hallos 
>and watsups to each and everyone of you ravee-types out there!!

Yeah, watsup to all you rave types out there -- My name's Jessica and I
was on the list for awhile last year (interlight1@webtv.net, if you
remember me by chance...)  But anyway, thought I'd say *+*hola*+*, 'cuz I
just resubbed. *smiles*

X's and O's,
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 31 06:23:35 1998
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tonight i saw the volkswagon bug commercial that's to the tune of orb's
"little fluffy clouds."    i like bugs.   i like that track.  didn't expect
them to be mixed into a 60 second t.v. ad. 

what is a little more bothersome is listening to a new cd and trying to decide
if it is the  ford or doritos commercial.   

-stephie

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I need a way to get in touch with Mumtaz, whether it's email or phone or
what.  If you got some info 4 me, email me privately or whatevah. :)

kisses,
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 31 07:36:51 1998
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Speaking of the new bugs.  what's up with the engine being in the front?
the world's going to hell in a handbasket

love
josh

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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Misselmo52 wrote:

> tonight i saw the volkswagon bug commercial that's to the tune of orb's
> "little fluffy clouds."    i like bugs.   i like that track.  didn't expect
> them to be mixed into a 60 second t.v. ad. 
> 
> what is a little more bothersome is listening to a new cd and trying to decide
> if it is the  ford or doritos commercial.   
> 
> -stephie
> 


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Mwuahah my friend works for VW so i have and the beetle catalog and u dont
:) ne ne ne ne ;)

Mikhail


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Wut i just said made no fucken sense whatsoever

i meant to sai i have the new beetle catalogue and u dont

ne ne ne

and my enlgish is starting to suck ass

ciao


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get used to it.

AC


On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Misselmo52 wrote:

> tonight i saw the volkswagon bug commercial that's to the tune of orb's
> "little fluffy clouds."    i like bugs.   i like that track.  didn't expect
> them to be mixed into a 60 second t.v. ad. 
> 
> what is a little more bothersome is listening to a new cd and trying to decide
> if it is the  ford or doritos commercial.   
> 
> -stephie
> 


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People who post this kind of annoying and HUGE shit to the list should be
hunted down and shot on spot.  It's even worse for those with the digest.
Use your head for chrissake.

--Megan

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In a message dated 98-03-30 11:15:50 EST, you write:

<< As for the net meet; sorry folx, I totally forgot about it.  I was up by
 the main booth at 2, though.  I had on a white baby-T w/ rainbow stripes
 on the collar and sleeves, phat pants w/ shades of blue stripes on the
 sides, and multicolor nail polish (and blue & orange glowsticks).
 Maybe next time me and my bad-addled brain won't forget.  duh.  
  >>

I completly forgot to meet.  i was too busy dancing my ass off at 2:00.
Stacey Pullen rocked.. I liked his set more than John Aquaviva's last week.

matt

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I would have to agree with you considering I was with you (matt) all
night....Stacey Pullen was one of the best sets I have heard in a long
time...the highlight of the evening.  Too bad there weren't more people
there....space is awesome, lights were awesome, sound was kickin'....but the
people were few and far between....
dan.

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In a message dated 98-03-31 02:38:08 EST, mk9@evansville.edu writes:

<< Mwuahah my friend works for VW so i have and the beetle catalog and u dont
 :) ne ne ne ne ;)
 
 Mikhail>>


Hey, I am 15 and I am no-were near as immature as that!!!!! grow up hun, or @
least reach the maturity level of a 10 year old!!  Just my thoughts,
    peace,

  ~~Gruncie~~
    AkA ShAynA

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oh come on gruncie, chill!!  i probably shouldn't even get involved here
since i know neither of the parties involved, but i think that active
listmembers who have semi-intelligent rave-related comments most of the
time have a right to be silly once in a while.  (i hope i remember right,
maybe mikhail's name just looks familiar cuz he's been bombarding us w/
stuff like this :P)  
i hope this made sense, i just woke up.  if it doesn't, flame me and i'll
explain myself.  
just my thoughts <shrug>
**doris**


On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Crazyme33 wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-31 02:38:08 EST, mk9@evansville.edu writes:
> 
> << Mwuahah my friend works for VW so i have and the beetle catalog and u dont
>  :) ne ne ne ne ;)
>  
>  Mikhail>>
> 
> 
> Hey, I am 15 and I am no-were near as immature as that!!!!! grow up hun, or @
> least reach the maturity level of a 10 year old!!  Just my thoughts,
>     peace,
> 
>   ~~Gruncie~~
>     AkA ShAynA
> 


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errr. my sense of space/time was a wee bit forked that evening, but
seeing you an all me otha peepers an homejuices sticks out as a good
thing, as well as finally meeting the illustrious StevenJ.
nice partay, wish i coulda been there fer more of it, but oh well.

thanks Elaine,
--aRNO
 
66666666666666 666 66666666666666666666666 666

"He got a bit paper, stuck it down one of the Terror Corps dancers'
G-string, 
wiped it on her minge, and rubbed it on me mates face, nice."

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Anyone got the e-flyer for Too Tweeked this Fri in Cincy?  Please email   
it my way.  Plus, I'm pretty new to the scene, let me know how the venue   
looks.

thanks
mike



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wow it sounds like the Cinci scene is finally back onit's feet after years
and years... Figures just when I MOVE... who's idea was this anyway?? ;)

Jenni/Efron


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Husqvarnic wrote:
> oh yeah,  I WANNA DIP MY BALLS IN IT!!!

YES!! whatever happened to that show? the one where he was dippin balls
at the last supper rocked my world! i know that Viva Variety thang's sum
ex-State peeoples...that show's actually pretty forkin funny once ya
steel yerself ta sit down an watch it; i liked the one where they were
talkin bout marijauna being the best drug on earth, next to E of course!
haha!

...but y'all know i'm straightedge anyways, right? ;]

--aRNO
 
66666666666666 666 66666666666666666666666 666

"He got a bit paper, stuck it down one of the Terror Corps dancers'
G-string, 
wiped it on her minge, and rubbed it on me mates face, nice."

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Amen to that, doris!  key words being "once in a while".  but i can see
where a 15 year old might get upset about people saying that  kids in the
scene nawadays don't know what's up and bla bla bla...and then someone
posts something like that.  
not saying that mikhail doesn't know what's up...i thought it was kinda
cute, but i'm just saying i see where gruncie's comming from.  

don't sweat it, gruncie, even "grown-ups" let themselves go every once in
awhile...if everyone was "mature" all of the time, i think it would be a
pretty boring world...

 i use "quotes" an awful lot,  don't i?.

don't think either message was rave or music related though.  

Chad
 



At 09:22 AM 3/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
>oh come on gruncie, chill!!  i probably shouldn't even get involved here
>since i know neither of the parties involved, but i think that active
>listmembers who have semi-intelligent rave-related comments most of the
>time have a right to be silly once in a while.  (i hope i remember right,
>maybe mikhail's name just looks familiar cuz he's been bombarding us w/
>stuff like this :P)  
>i hope this made sense, i just woke up.  if it doesn't, flame me and i'll
>explain myself.  
>just my thoughts <shrug>
>**doris**
>
>

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cspon@csd.uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~cspon

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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Misselmo52 wrote:

> tonight i saw the volkswagon bug commercial that's to the tune of orb's
> "little fluffy clouds."    i like bugs.   i like that track.  didn't expect
> them to be mixed into a 60 second t.v. ad. 

Yeah, I saw this add too and I liked it a lot.  But I still wouldn't buy 
one of those over-priced jokes of a car, even though I owned a VW Beatle 
in the mid-80s.  when I first heard of the resurgance of this car it 
seemed it would be less than $9000, be a mid-engine vehicle and able to 
be hacked just like the old bugs.  But instead we end up with more of the 
same: body parts that look an awful lot like a Passat, a $15k+ price tag 
and a front-mounted engine.   =(
 
> what is a little more bothersome is listening to a new cd and trying to decide
> if it is the  ford or doritos commercial.   

Bothersome?  Why wouldn't ad companies use techno, jungle and such for 
ads?  If they think it will sell to a certain demographic then they'll 
use it.  Will it last?  No longer than any other fad taken advantage of 
by ad people.  BTW, Richard James and some of his crowd have been selling 
tunes to ad companies for years.  I happen to think it's kind of cool to 
hear an Aphex Twin track behind a Pirelli tire advert.  Did this change 
Mr. James' music?  Well if it did, then this is what made some of his 
music become even more strange than it ever was.

The question to ask yourself is this: will we/you/I continue to enjoy the 
music, gather with friends to listen to it and support those musicians, 
party organizers and DJs who feel the same way?  If the answer is yes 
then ignore the commercials and any 'meaning' you may think they hold.

BTW, when it comes down to it, the music on that ad wasn't even that 
good.  But as advert music goes, it rocked.  Dig?



Steven White
Zoikz! 04.11.98 in Champaign, IL
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You guys, this list will crack you up.  It is WAY too true!
mike

 YOU'RE LOST BETWEEN A BABY BOOMER AND A GENERATION X'ER IF...

* You actually believed that Mikey, famed for his LIFE cereal
commercials, died after eating a packet of pop rocks and drinking a Coke.
* You wanted Johnny Depp to stake out your high school in "21Jump
Street".
* You remember when Jordache Jeans were cool.
* In your 5th grade class picture you were wearing a Izod
 shirt with the collar up.
* You know by heart the words to any Weird Al Yankovic song.
* The Brady Bunch movie brought back cool memories.
   * You ever rang someone's doorbell and said "Landshark!"
   * Three words:  Atari, IntelliVision, and Coleco sound familiar.
   * You remember Friday Night Videos before the days of MTV.
   * A predominant color in you childhood photos is plaid.
   * While in high school, you and your friends discussed
elaborate plans to get together again at the end of the century
and play Prince's "1999" until you passed out partying.
   * You remember when music that was labeled alternative,really
was.
   * You took family trips BEFORE the invention of the minivan.
   * You rode in the back of the station wagon and you faced
the cars  behind you.
   * You've recently horrified yourself by using any one of
the following phrases:
     When I was younger...
     When I was your age...
     You know, back when...
   * Schoolhouse Rock played a HUGE part in how you actually
learned the English language.
   * You ever dressed to emulate a person you saw in either
a Duran  Duran, Madonna, or Cyndi Lauper video.
   * The first time you ever kissed someone at a dance came
during "Crazy for you" by Madonna.
   * You remember with pain the sad day when the Green
Machine hit the streets and made your old Big Wheel quite
obsolete.
   * The phrase "Where's the beef" still doubles you over
with laughter.
   * You honestly remember when film critics raved that no
movie could ever possibly get better special effects than those
in the movie TRON.
   * Girls thought Sean Cassidy was dreamy, and lusted after
Ted the  photographer on The Love Boat.
   * You freaked out when you found that you now fall into
the age category on most questionnaires.
   * Your hair at some point in time in the 80's became
something which can only be described by the phrase "I was
experimenting".

  * This timeline appropriately describes actual events in your life:
     Star Wars opens, you are still in single digit ages, and
you think the creatures are WAY cool.
     Empire Strikes Back opens, you are now in early double
digits, and you are convinced that the  special effects are much
better, the characters are cool, and you want one of every collectible
out there.
     The Return of the Jedi hits the theaters, you are now a
teenager and you cannot get your eyes off Princess Leia's breasts or
Han Solo's ass.
   * You've ever shopped at Banana Republic or Benetton, but
not in the last five years.
   * You're doing absolutely nothing pertaining to your major.
   * You ever wanted to be gagged by a spoon.
   * U2 is too popular and mainstream for you now.
   * You ever used to use the phrase "Kiss mah grits!" in
conversation.
   * You remember trying to guess the episode of the Brady
Bunch from the first scene.
   * You spent endless nights dreaming about being the
Bionic Woman or  Wonder Woman or the Six Million Dollar Man.
   * You had ringside seats for Luke and Laura's wedding on
General  Hospital.
   * You remember "Hey,let's be careful out there!"
   * This rings a bell: "...and my name is Charlie.  They
work for me."
   * You were unsure if Diet Coke would ever catch on after
all.
   * You know all the words to the double album set of
Grease.
   * You ever had a Dorothy Hammill haircut.
   * You sat with your friends ona Friday night and dialed
867-5309 to   see if Jenny would answer.
   * All skate, change directions, means something to you.
   * You owned a pair of Vanns and wanted to order pizza in
history class so you could be just like Jeff Spicoli in Fast
Times at Ridgemont High.
   * You owned a preppy handbook.
   * You were too young to go see the Blue Lagoon so you
just had to settle for second hand reports.
   * You remember when your cable TV box had a sliding
selector switch.
   * You actually believed everything Leonard Nimoy told you
on "In Search Of..."
   * Your jaw would ache by the time you finished those
brick sized  packages of Bazooka Gum.
   * Bo and Luke Duke.
   * VCR's cost $2,000.
   * There was nothing strange about Bert and Ernie living together.
   * Rotary dial telephones.
   * The theme song to Greatest American Hero still comes
back to you on  occasion.  


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haha! I found this most amusing...but baby boomer and gen-x'r?
I have always believed my parents to be baby boomers...and those around age
25-30 to be Gen-X'rs, thus making this list almost entirely applicable to
them.  As the next set of peeps, (gen-y?) I just wondered if someone could
clear this up? thanks


.lotek
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+drone
|_______jeff.

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(sort of rave related: 4)
uh oh, now i don't think i'll be able to dance for a really long time
(because i hurt my knee skateboarding. i wasn't even doing a really
serious trick like ollieing a car or grinding a handrail (because i
can't!) i should probably stick with downhill skateboarding instead of
street, because i have better luck there with not getting hurt, not to
mention i can only do about 5 tricks =/ ). the doctor told me i tore my
anterior cruciate ligament and probably cartilage. it might have to be
rebuilt. i hope they can do that before family affair + that black nations
records party (damn! i want to go to both!!! well i'm going wherever i can
get a ride to). walking on these crutches sucks + my arms feel so weak, i
don't work out or swim anymore, probably why... walking on crutches
through muddy campgrounds would be a really bizarre experience. 

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I haven't seen much buzz about ambient or experimental performers on MW,
and I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean that there aren't acts/djs out
there.

Any recommendations for favorite experimental/ambient DJs/PAs?

In particular, I am actively seeking demos/mixtapes for events both in the
near and far future.  If you have something available, email me and I'll
send you the postal to hit.

peas, luv, 'n carrot juice
-pete
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In a message dated 98-03-31 10:31:45 EST, you write:

> Husqvarnic wrote:
>  > oh yeah,  I WANNA DIP MY BALLS IN IT!!!
>  
>  YES!! whatever happened to that show? the one where he was dippin balls
>  at the last supper rocked my world! i know that Viva Variety thang's sum
>  ex-State peeoples...that show's actually pretty forkin funny once ya
>  steel yerself ta sit down an watch it; i liked the one where they were
>  talkin bout marijauna being the best drug on earth, next to E of course!
>  haha!
>  
>  ...but y'all know i'm straightedge anyways, right? ;]
>  
>  --aRNO

The state got an offer to do their shows on a big network, so they jetted from
MTV with the quickness, but the pilot they shot only aired at like 12am on a
Sat or sunday or sumptin so needless to say they only stuck around for a few
shows, then got canceled. They probably didn't want to come groveling back to
MTV so some of them got a show on Comedy Central (viva variety) that shows ok,
but it's no State, that show was one of my all time favorites, But hey I'ma da
Pope-a!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace

Doug

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When the bug came out in the 60's it was a DIY's
wet dream, not only were they easy to maintain
but they got better gas mileage than any car previous.
They started the fuel efficient trend of economy cars
we have today.
But that was then.
Now, VW corporates have a need to make money.
If they really wanted to revolutionize the industry once again
they should have made it electric or even a hybrid. 
I would surely like to have one, but they're not.
Just another example of the corporate world trying
to sell something (that we really don't need)
to an uninformed public.

)(citizens.for.a.better.tommorrow)(

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i feel your pain, sister...four weeks ago, i was walking through a
ghetto-assed parking lot during a rainstorm, hit a HUGE oil spot that
looked like it had been developing for about 30 years and
*ZING*TWIST*POP*CRASH...fell and broke my ankle and pulled some ligs in my
knee.  so, i've had a cast from my toes to my knee since march 14, and was
on crutches until a week ago today.  i can now tell you from experience
that having casts are no fun at all...it's like not being able to change
your sock for six whole weeks! (sorry to gross y'all out)

there is an upside, though...you really learn to appriciate the things you
take for granted...for example...DANCING!  i was bound and determined to
go to innocent in cincy last weekend, furthermore, i was unable to
contain myself and keep from dancing on my broke-assed-foot for about five
hours. it was very painful, i sweated a whole-helluvalot and really made
my cast stinky and swampy, but i had an ABSOLUTLY AMAZING TIME!  the
strangest thing about my experience at that party was that i hadn't
planned on dancing, knew i shouldn't be dancing, but at the same time
could not force myself to stand still like a good little boy...

but the swelling has gone down now, and a bit of shower-to-shower down the
old cast got the stench undercontrol...so i'm glad as hell that i went!

i send you a big hug and hopes that you get better real soon...i've been
through the whole cartelage reconstruction thing too (tear on the ole
lateral miniscus) and i know what you're going through...keep your chin
up, and try to learn to dance on one foot.

much support from

JUMA

______________________________________________
/mnasema kiswahili?   ninataka nyama kupenda!/
---------------------------------------------

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> (sort of rave related: 4)
> uh oh, now i don't think i'll be able to dance for a really long time
> (because i hurt my knee skateboarding. i wasn't even doing a really
> serious trick like ollieing a car or grinding a handrail (because i
> can't!) i should probably stick with downhill skateboarding instead of
> street, because i have better luck there with not getting hurt, not to
> mention i can only do about 5 tricks =/ ). the doctor told me i tore my
> anterior cruciate ligament and probably cartilage. it might have to be
> rebuilt. i hope they can do that before family affair + that black nations
> records party (damn! i want to go to both!!! well i'm going wherever i can
> get a ride to). walking on these crutches sucks + my arms feel so weak, i
> don't work out or swim anymore, probably why... walking on crutches
> through muddy campgrounds would be a really bizarre experience. 
> 
> [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[elias]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] 
> 


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>Any recommendations for favorite experimental/ambient DJs/PAs?

j-sun.

he's the man with the a-team van.

and, he'll house you, girl.

jon/dica



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> tonight i saw the volkswagon bug commercial that's to the tune of 
> orb's "little fluffy clouds."    i like bugs.   i like that track.
> didn't 
> expect them to be mixed into a 60 second t.v. ad. 
> 
Yea, neither did I.  But it's a neat ad.  The new bug looks really
snazzy.   I liked all them purty colors. 

> what is a little more bothersome is listening to a new cd and trying
> to decide if it is the  ford or doritos commercial.   
> 
No kidding.  I've heard at least 4 tracks that I have (cd & vinyl)
recently on TV.  It's kinda scary, but in some ways it is kind of neat.
Such as life.


peace 'n love,
angel O:)


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     Hey folks, I'm rather new to area and I'm looking for some cool video 
     stores and bookstores.  I'm rather tired of the censored view of my 
     local blockbuster.
     
     I live on Fullerton & Clark, but I'm willing to travel for cool 
     bookstores.  I let you generally decide cool, but I'll give ya hint, 
     Barnes & Nobles aint it, nor blockbuster.
     
     Thanks for the help
     
     -Giles

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From: Peggy Hroma <mhroma@rhf.bradley.edu>
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agreed. this list seems more applicable to tailend Gen Xer's and those
after. I don't think that the next generation has been officially titled
yet, but who knows... maybe PEPSI knows all I'm just a "generation
nexter." 

-Peggy

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 paradyme@lotek.org wrote:

> haha! I found this most amusing...but baby boomer and gen-x'r?
> I have always believed my parents to be baby boomers...and those around age
> 25-30 to be Gen-X'rs, thus making this list almost entirely applicable to
> them.  As the next set of peeps, (gen-y?) I just wondered if someone could
> clear this up? thanks
> 
> 
> .lotek
> .phear------paradyme@lotek.org
> +drone
> |_______jeff.
> 


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I know someone already posted that they were coming.  But, here is the 
full information in case any of you care to join us.

Taken from the http://www.Tickets.DE/artists/art7.html site (bookmark it!),
reformatted for US legibility:


     _________________________________________________________________

   Kraftwerk will be performing on the following dates: 

          + June 3rd 1998, Japan - Tokyo - Akasaka Blitz

          + June 4th 1998, Japan - Tokyo - Akasaka Blitz

          + June 7th 1998, USA - San Francisco, CA - Warfield Theatre, on sale
            May 3rd 1998, Info Tel. 510-762-2277, http://www.TicketMaster.com 

          + June 8th 1998, USA - Los Angeles, CA - The Palladium, on sale
            April 25th 1998, Info Tel. 213-851-7441, www.ticketmaster.com 

          + June 10th 1998, USA - Chicago, IL - Riviera Theatre, on sale
            May 2nd 1998, Info Tel 312-266-6262, www.ticketmaster.com 

          + June 1th 1998, USA - Detroit, MI - State Theatre, on sale
            April 25th, 1998, Info Tel 313-963-7237, www.ticketmaster.com 

          + June 13th 1998, USA - New York, NY - Hammerstein Ballroom, on sale
            May 8th 1998, Info Tel 973-744-0770, http://www.ticketmaster.com 

          + June 14th 1998, USA - Washington DC - Free Tibet Festival,
            Information tba 

          + June 18th 1998, Spain - Barcelona - Sonar Festival, Info
            http://www.sonar.es/

          + June 25th 1998, Denmark-Roskilde - Roskilde Festival, Info
            http://www.roskilde-festival.dk/


see you guys in chicago.
mint

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We're old enough to know when someone is joking.  get a life.

love
josh

Free Tibet!
http://www.tibet.org
http://www.milarepa.org

My site:
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"Hear what I mean, not what I say" -unknown


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Damn!  Am I really *that* old?  

eat mah grits!

love
josh

Free Tibet!
http://www.tibet.org
http://www.milarepa.org

My site:
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"Hear what I mean, not what I say" -unknown


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All I know is that I'm too old for this generation (gen NEXT?) and just
barely too young for the last one (gen X?).  and my parents are the same
way (too young for baby boomer, too old for gen x).  it's kinda fun not
haveing a genre to fit into.

love
josh

Free Tibet!
http://www.tibet.org
http://www.milarepa.org

My site:
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~joshual
"Hear what I mean, not what I say" -unknown


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Yes....pine keeps crashing when i try to delete it.:(

adam

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, little megan wrote:

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dica! wrote:
 
> Any recommendations for favorite experimental/ambient DJs/PAs?

dunno what he's doing now... but DAC Crowell is the fuckin' man...
Probably knows more about his gear than the guys who made it and he's
got some serious musical knowledge behind him as well...

-- 
--------------+ one man's fish is another man's poisson +--------------
dj fishead - northern hardcorps - massive magazine - activated magazine
    http://www.tbp.mb.ca/hardcorps/  --  http://www.massivemag.com/
      http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9391/active.htm

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At 11:47 AM 3/31/98 -0500, Peter Mannix wrote:
>
>I haven't seen much buzz about ambient or experimental performers on MW,
>and I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean that there aren't acts/djs out
>there.
>
>Any recommendations for favorite experimental/ambient DJs/PAs?
>
My favorite ambient Dj is Dj Daniel from Moontribe in LA, I have one of his
tapes and it blows me away. Also Mindflux is a good ambient dj too from
what I heard of him at Chaos Theory, I was spaced and he played some in
sync stuff that was real nice. My favorite live PA for
ambience/experimental would have to be Space Time Continuum saw them awhile
ago at this loft in SF and it was extraordinary really knew how to lay some
soundscapes down, had me floatin away when I was dancin to it :)
love&light,
-jeffz


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>  YOU'RE LOST BETWEEN A BABY BOOMER AND A GENERATION X'ER IF...
> 
> * You actually believed that Mikey, famed for his LIFE cereal
> commercials, died after eating a packet of pop rocks and drinking a
> Coke.
	(and all in between)
>    * You've recently horrified yourself by using any one of
> the following phrases:
>  When I was younger...When I was your age...You know, back when...
>       * The phrase "Where's the beef" still doubles you over
> with laughter.
>    * You freaked out when you found that you now fall into
> the age category on most questionnaires.
>    * Your hair at some point in time in the 80's became
> something which can only be described by the phrase "I was
	experimenting".
(all the Star wars stuff)
	 * You ever wanted to be gagged by a spoon.
>    * U2 is too popular and mainstream for you now.
>   * All skate, change directions, means something to you.
>  * Bo and Luke Duke.
>    * VCR's cost $2,000.
>    * There was nothing strange about Bert and Ernie living together.
>    * Rotary dial telephones.
> 
Yes to all of the above.  And there is nothing wrong w/ two people of
the same muppet gender living together.

>       * You ever used to use the phrase "Kiss mah grits!" in
> conversation.
> 
Kiss them! Kiss them! I said Kiss mah grits!

>    * You spent endless nights dreaming about being the
> Bionic Woman or  Wonder Woman or the Six Million Dollar Man.
> 
I'll never forget my Wonder Woman Underoos!
>   
>       * The theme song to Greatest American Hero still comes
> back to you on  occasion.  
> 
"Believe it or not, I'm walking on air.  I never thought I could feel so
free e eeeee.......Believe it or not it's just me!"

Ahh, the memories....

peace 'n love,
angel O:)




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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:15:34 -0800 (PST) Josh <joshual@scf-fs.usc.edu>
writes:
>All I know is that I'm too old for this generation (gen NEXT?) and 
>just
>barely too young for the last one (gen X?).

same thing here.  I was reading something the other day that said gen x
ended in '72 and gen y(or whatever) started in '76.  well what about
those of us born inbetween?  dammit I want to be part of a market
demographic;P

cheers,
MINDFLUX

np: kraftwerk-computer world

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> I haven't seen much buzz about ambient or experimental performers on
> MW, and I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean that there aren't acts/djs
> out there.
> 
Oh there are plenty of us, I'm sure.  We just aren't in too much demand
lately.  I guess, in my case, shy away from performing b/c of the
"ambient makes me all sleepy" comments.  

> Any recommendations for favorite experimental/ambient DJs/PAs?
> 
Star Seeds.  that's all I can think of off the top of my brain.

> In particular, I am actively seeking demos/mixtapes for events both in
> the near and far future.  If you have something available, email me
> and I'll send you the postal to hit.
> 
Get postal on me, Pete!




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>>Any recommendations for favorite experimental/ambient DJs/PAs?

book r.a.w. (who -usually- does drum.n.bass) for an
ambient/hardcore/expiremental/mindfuck live p.a.

thats all i have to say.... . . . ..   . 

-> shonuff/sidestep

np: believer - 'sanity.obscure'


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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Peter Mannix wrote:

> 
> I haven't seen much buzz about ambient or experimental performers on MW,
> and I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean that there aren't acts/djs out
> there.
> 
> Any recommendations for favorite experimental/ambient DJs/PAs?
> 
> In particular, I am actively seeking demos/mixtapes for events both in the
> near and far future.  If you have something available, email me and I'll
> send you the postal to hit.
> 
> peas, luv, 'n carrot juice
> -pete
> =========================================================================
> APRIL 11, 1998.............Zoikz!..................champaign, IL.
>                    rural ameriKa:  (217) 353.5225
>               the gro collective:  (217) 353.5111  http://gro.rollin.com
> =========================================================================
> 
> 

try J-sun from louisville...he does some cool shit....there would even be
a chance of me and him doing a tag team live pa (were old friends)...he
does experimental stuff I do hard acid. like a back and forth experimental
frennzy...he is also a good ambient dj....really good.

-dan



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I'm going to test our 1200s after being repaired so I may as well 
broadcast what I play.  Browse http://radiodistortion.com and have your 
Real Audio player installed.

Let me know how things sound and such.

Thanks,

- Steven



Steven White
Zoikz! 04.11.98 in Champaign, IL
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Sorry...   I'll start playing just after 6p.



Steven White
Zoikz! 04.11.98 in Champaign, IL
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I have a schedule up at Rave Launch Radio, just in case anyone is
interested. 

http://ravelaunch.home.ml.org

Please send me feedback if you like the shows.

-Ben / DJ Elroy


PS- Sorry if it seems like I'm trying to compete with Radio Distortion.
I just happen to be interested in broadcasting.

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Hi kids!

Could anyone help me out on some info on the happenins this weekend
around the madison, milwaukee, and chicago areas?  Something less than
$20 would be nice.  I dunno i guess im just looking for a lil
something that would be worth my time money -n- energy.  if nothing
comes up......anyone (dica, or chris e, or anyone else) wanna hit the
casinos around wisconsin with me???

thanks for your time,

---alan


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Sorry but one of our turntables is still screwed.  Tune in next time...



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In a message dated 3/31/98 6:38:31 PM Central Standard Time, MIDWSTBASS
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<< In a message dated 3/31/98 6:12:55 PM Central Standard Time,
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  Could anyone help me out on some info on the happenins this weekend
  around the madison, milwaukee, and chicago areas? 
 
 as a matter of fact i do..... goin on down in the chicago area IS 
 enlightenment, there are a whole shit-load of great dj's
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 for only 18 buck-a-roos, floppy, justin long, Mindrive, jeff feller!!!!!!,
 and a whole bunch mo..... this is a good line-up down by some really
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In a message dated 3/31/98 6:12:55 PM Central Standard Time,
jointeffort420@yahoo.com writes:

 Could anyone help me out on some info on the happenins this weekend
 around the madison, milwaukee, and chicago areas? 

as a matter of fact i do..... goin on down in the chicago area IS 
enlightenment, there are a whole shit-load of great dj's
here not to mention, about 4 different rooms and all
for only 18 buck-a-roos, floppy, justin long, Mindrive, jeff feller!!!!!!,
and a whole bunch mo..... this is a good line-up down by some really
great people, if your sick of the same-ol thing this party is gonna kick-ass,
plus i gotta go if its cool or not to flyer so :P~~~~~ 


"aint no party like a eucalyptus party cuz a eucalyptus party dont stop.....

......so throw your hands in the air, and wave em like you just dont care...."

<warmin up to mc the next party>

"....the roof.....the roof......the roof is on fire....."
 
 

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>From
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A Persistent Thumping
How Techno Music Has Outlived Its Obituaries
By Matthew Collin
Special to The Washington Post
Sunday, March 29, 1998; Page G01 

Tough times for electronica. Barely a year ago, electronic dance music in
all its many forms was being hailed by critics, music-television
programmers and industry pundits alike as a phenomenon gathering
commercial force. But by the end of 1997, the hype was in free fall.

"For the next big musical movement, electronica has its work cut out,"
noted a Washington Post critic. Another newspaper observed: "As far as the
masses were concerned, electronica's major attack was as easily squashed
as house spiders after a heavy rain."

The honeymoon had turned sour because -- with two exceptions, the Prodigy
and the Chemical Brothers -- European musicians on the crest of what had
been packaged as pop's new wave failed to make the top 200 best-selling
albums of 1997. Perhaps, the pundits mused, America wasn't ready for a
techno revolution right now -- if ever. And then they congratulated their
compatriots for not being bamboozled by the sales guff exhaled by the
record industry.

But what got missed when the crits were tossing around the obits was an
understanding of the dynamics of pop culture. Major labels pick up a
catchy marketing phrase, run some ads, call in the pluggers, get the sales
forces pumped, and you have yourself an instant "phenomenon." Well, it
just doesn't work like that. Not for long, anyhow. A genuine pop movement
is never imposed from above; it bubbles up on a groundswell of popular
belief, driven by the passion and commitment of fanatics who create their
own sense of community. Businessmen can sell product, but community can't
be manufactured.

"I think the expectations surrounding the genre were unrealistically
high," says Billboard dance music editor Larry Flick. "The industry was
looking for a sales savior and the instant buzz around electronica
triggered a lot of hope. Things were definitely blown way out of
proportion. Sometimes major labels can kill the golden goose long before
it's actually laid that golden egg. There were too many questionable
records released at once. The bandwagon almost collapsed from so many
people climbing aboard."

Darren Ressler, editor of New York-based national dance monthly Mixmag, is
cautious too, mainly because he's seen it all before. Back in 1992, when
the rave scene with its techno soundtrack first took off in the States, it
proved to be a false dawn, at least in commercial terms. "In 1992, I saw
the dance departments at major labels go wild. The word 'techno' was
suddenly on everyone's lips, and after releasing tons of mostly horrible
compilations, everything went underground again," Ressler says. "Still,
the upside was that the seeds of the culture were planted."

Not that anyone within "the culture" really liked the word electronica
anyway. Most found it crass, even offensive; they were only too aware that
it was a catch-all tag foisted on them for economic convenience: a pidgin
translation of a much subtler tongue. The differing (and often, for
outsiders, confusingly complex) sensibilities of techno, house, garage,
ambient, trip-hop, big beat and drum 'n' bass were forced into an uneasy
alliance that pleased no one. " 'Electronica' was a marketing term
invented by the music industry to box up everything from [techno trio]
Underworld to [drum 'n' bass hero] Goldie in one neat little package,
removing the music from its subcultural origins and placing it alongside
Hanson, Mariah and Puffy," says Tamara Palmer, editor of the West Coast
music monthly URB. "From this perspective, electronica is a failure."

Liam Howlett of the Prodigy became incensed when the phrase was mentioned
to him during the band's U.S. tour last summer: "I hate this whole
electronica thing!" he raged. "It's so difficult trying to make Americans
understand -- I get really frustrated sometimes doing interviews with them
and they go on about this electronica thing and it really annoys me. I
have to say, 'Electronica is [expletive]!' or 'Electronica, what the
[expletive's] that?' The whole thing is just so hyped, it's crap."

There is a more serious point here, even if Howlett couldn't quite
articulate it. The black musicians from Detroit and Chicago who invented
techno and house in the mid-'80s always gave as many props to George
Clinton and James Brown as German electronic innovators Kraftwerk. The
coining of "electronica" represented a covert attempt to excise the funk
element from dance music and ignore its origins in inner-city black and
gay subcults, to make it safe for the affluent white consumer. Black music
repackaged by white entrepreneurs is the shadow history of postwar pop,
and sure enough, in the flurry of enthusiasm surrounding electronica, we
heard little about Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Larry Heard, Jeff Mills or
Mike Banks, the black auteurs who breathed life into the machines. While
the predominantly Caucasian newcomers basked in glory, none of the
originators was rewarded with a substantive record deal. Each one was more
celebrated in London, Berlin, Madrid and Paris, where they are regarded as
visionary heroes, than in their home country.


The Birth Process 

Let's rewind the tape and check back on some history, see how this techno
thing really operates. Here's the archetypal tale: Couple of young guys
pick up some cheap equipment in a secondhand store, a few obsolete drum
computers long forgotten by their Japanese manufacturers. They hook up the
boxes in their basement, make a tape. Cut it to 12-inch vinyl in a run of
1,000: white label, plain bag, title scribbled in Magic Marker. Sell it
direct to specialist dance stores: no middleman, no record deal, no
rehearsal, no gigs, no ad campaign. The only promotion is a few copies
passed to club deejays, the only media coverage appears in some obscure
local 'zine. The stores pay them on sale-or-return basis, and they reap a
little cash to fund the next release.

This is the mother lode, this is what every technohead will tell you it's
all about: do-it-yourself music, an entrepreneurial movement based on
personal involvement. Inclusive; open-access. Get up, get into it, get
involved. 

Techno's democratization of the creative process links it back to two
other, more longstanding DIY pop movements: hip-hop (assembled from
rudimentary equipment: two turntables and a microphone) and punk rock (a
couple of guitars plus three chords). It took a couple of decades for
hip-hop to rise from its origins in block parties in the Bronx to its
current mainstream dominance. With punk rock, the similarities are even
more striking and constitute a handy deconstruction of the pop process.

On its release in 1977, a seminal punk album, the Sex Pistols' "Never Mind
the Bollocks," topped the charts in the band's home country, but only
reached 106 in the United States. When the Sex Pistols arrived in the
States in 1978, they were hyped as the latest Brit invasion, come to save
the U.S. pop market as disco threw its last satin-swathed shapes under the
"Saturday Night Fever" mirror ball. At least that's what Warner Bros., the
Pistols' label, wanted people to believe. Of course it never happened: The
pimply freaks with the peculiar hairdos might as well have been aliens for
all the American public cared. But in L.A., in Austin, Seattle and
Washington, D.C., disaffected bohemians picked up on the Pistols'
do-it-yourself anarchist slogans and took them seriously enough to start
their own bands, their own 'zines, their own record labels. And this
industrious, low-tech punk network was the entrepreneurial motor that
ultimately drove Nirvana up from the underground to bestride the country
with "Nevermind" in 1991.

By the time of their 1996 comeback jaunt -- an overtly cynical venture
titled the Filthy Lucre Tour -- things had changed. "Bollocks" had been
acclaimed as one of the all-time rock classics by Rolling Stone magazine,
and the Pistols legacy had inspired a whole generation of American bands
from R.E.M. through Nirvana to Green Day.

If punk took over a decade to filter through, what stage is techno at now?
"In terms of the nationwide acceptance, popularity or integration of
electronic music into daily life that I see happening in England, America
is not yet on the same page," suggests URB's Tamara Palmer.

Nevertheless, she says, "techno is definitely a cottage industry in the
U.S., serving as the inspiration for everything from independent clothing
lines to record labels. It is a rapidly expanding system. Nearly every
region in the country is informed by a local 'zine of some sort, from
Massive in the Midwest and Synergy in the Southeast to Resonance in the
Pacific Northwest."

Techno undoubtedly has an image problem, being based on participation
rather than performance, on the nocturnal community of the nightclub
rather than the charisma of the performer, but although that constitutes a
drawback in commercial terms, it is also its strength and its appeal. And
there are signs that a section of the public may already be getting it by
proxy, assimilating electronica through audio osmosis. Electronic
techniques underpin the new albums by Madonna and Garbage, indicating that
America, if not ready for techno's "Full Monty," is beginning to tune in.

Garbage includes in its ranks Butch Vig, producer of Nirvana's "Nevermind"
and a man with a keen sense of which way the wind blows. The band's
"Version 2.0" album "pushes the electronic angle pretty hard," says
guitarist Steve Marker. "There's some aggressive, chattery techno
electronic stuff."

Madonna is a notoriously canny player who emerged from the same gay dance
subcult as house music, and for her new album, "Ray of Light," she
employed esteemed producer William Orbit to supply some techno ambiance.
"People think of techno and drum 'n' bass, and they don't equate emotion
to it," she has said. "I wanted to put a face on it."

"A mainstream champion like Madonna will help," says Billboard's Larry
Flick. " 'Ray Of Light' will do wonders for electronica. It's a credible
album that is going to open a lot of doors for new artists. People are
hearing Madonna's album and are intrigued to hear more of the genre."

Pop cultures need to adopt indigenous agendas to grow genuine roots in new
host countries. And the United States is one of the largest and most
socially and geographically dislocated of all nations, so this organic
development will necessarily take longer than in Europe. As New York-based
journalist Joy Press wrote, "America is a vast, diffuse territory where
ethnic, class and regional allegiances have as much of an impact on pop as
they do on politics. While in the U.K., rave became an essential part of
music culture and influenced everything that came in its wake, in the U.S.
it is just a niche market."

To make sense to a wider listenership and chime with mass tastes across
such a large market, the first techno band to break big may well prove to
be one with a more developed sense of onstage showmanship and songcraft.
An American Prodigy, perhaps, with big guitars and swelling choruses. The
early warnings are already sounding: Mixmag's Darren Ressler cites Rabbit
in the Moon from Tampa, DJ Icey from Orlando and the Crystal Method; all
snagged deals as the majors scrabbled to process the electronica signal.

"Like any genre, the second you have an identifiable figure with a catchy
song, you have a hit. That really hasn't happened yet," Flick says. But
"there is very definitely an authentic club subculture. The underground
scene is incredibly strong and creatively plush. There are no real stars
yet, but it looks promising. The problem is that it's so expansive, almost
too much so, for such narrow categorization. It also moves and evolves far
too fast for majors to keep up with."


The Sound of Things to Come 

Ultimately, none of this top-line stuff really matters much. It's the
geek-wizards in their lofts, the tweaked-out club kids and the 'zine
scribblers from the boondocks, the obsessives who populate Internet
newsgroups like alt.rave who represent electronica's future, if it is to
have one. "Musical innovation today is happening in 17-year-old boys'
bedrooms," says deejay Justin Robertson, "like the Aphex Twin recording
his mum laughing and turning that into a tune."

"Science and technology are transforming our world, providing an age of
possibility and a time of change as profound as any we have seen this
century," President Clinton told Congress last year. He was talking about
industry but could equally have been mapping the pop landscape:
Transformation is inevitable when the coming generation is weaned on
computer games, sound cards and the Net. As Renaat Vandepapeliere, head of
the respected European techno label R&S, once declared: "People from this
generation learn computers in school like we learned to write. Can you
imagine the music that these kids are going to make? The way they are
going to use modern technology is going to be mind-blowing. This is only
the beginning."

And there are indications that the little guys are growing in confidence,
beginning to walk with a swagger, just like their counterparts did in
Europe at the turn of the '90s. Sample this letter to Mixmag, written by a
kid from Boise, Idaho, who styles himself Dance Patriot: "We invented
techno and house music, so why should the Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, and
Underworld take all the credit? We should support our fledgling scene. Buy
American, and it's cheaper than buying imports!" It's the ranters and
ravers like Dance Patriot, and his compatriots in Orlando, Cleveland,
Dallas -- the evangelists, the hardcore believers -- who will mutate the
gene to breed an intrinsically American strain of electronica. The teens
and twentysomethings who want to breathe that curious air, that heady
compound of druggy psychedelia, utopian reverie, digital networking and
militant urban attitude that characterizes techno music -- and to inhabit
the eternal now that is the guiding current of pop.

It could go something like this: After blurting out his spleen on paper,
our letter-writer takes a moment to calm down. He switches his computers
on, taps in a few digits and sets a cybernetic loop spooling out of the
speakers. It's a clear night, so he opens the window, sparks up a
cigarette and watches the smoke drift away into the cool air as the
machines sing gently to themselves. Yes, he thinks, I can do it, it's time
to cut this track. Do it now.


Matthew Collin is the author of "Altered State: The Story of Ecstasy
Culture and Acid House." 

GLOSSARY 


House: Disco stripped down to drumbeat and bass line, then rebuilt using
electronic equipment. Origin: Chicago, mid-'80s.

Techno: Strictly technology-based house music with influences from British
electronic pop and German avant-garde. The term "techno" is often used to
describe all forms of electronic dance music. Origin: Detroit, mid-'80s.

Garage: A more overtly disco-influenced form of house music, often with
diva vocals. Origin: New York, mid-'80s.

Ambient: New Age music meets techno, with quieter drums. Origin: London,
late '80s (based on theory from producer Brian Eno, London, mid-'70s).

Trip-Hop: Hip-hop without the rap, plus an intoxicated psychedelic feel.
Origin: Bristol, England, early '90s.

Big Beat: Techno meets hip-hop and indie rock in the style of the Chemical
Brothers. Origin: London, mid-'90s.

Drum 'n' bass: Speeded-up hip-hop beats with reggae-style bass lines and
techno effects. Alias "jungle." Origin: London, early '90s.

-- Matthew Collin

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At 11:44 AM 3/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
>(sort of rave related: 4)
>uh oh, now i don't think i'll be able to dance for a really long time
>(because i hurt my knee skateboarding. i wasn't even doing a really

you can still dance! take it from peter/fiz.the.hardcore.mutha.fucker, who
split his kneecap in 2 pieces watching delta 9 and a few days later hobbled
thru mad ice and mud and up about 100 stairs to see delta 9 *again* AND had
his head in the speaker during his whole set. don't let a little hurt knee
slow down your fun! :)

rebecca.


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Hey -- I know what that's like -- but why I didn't dance for a really
long time was more mental than physical!!  it was so Sad!  I was waaay
into dancing and i peaked out in late '96, then suddenly I developed
                 
                               -Dancer's Block-
evil and wretched dancer's block -- and just started to "lose it", ya'
know??  I swear I didn't really dance during 97...-sigh-....But at a
party last weekend, it all came back to me -- the dancer's block was gone
and I hit "Rave Rapture" for the first time in months and months.  I was
beautiful!!
So I guess I said all that to say,..   Whether Physical or Psychological,
if you wanna tear shit up, you Will dance again.......yeah, you'll dance
again.  I think "dancer's block" is worse than being injured or
something.
That totally sucks that you busted up your knee, tho!  Poor Greta!  U
have all the compassion I can give!!  Get Well Soon!  *smooches*
:) :) :)
X's and O's,
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Yeah!!!  Crisis averted!

We can all go back to being "cool" again by listening to our "uncool"
music!!


Sierously.  How many of you really thought that main stream America would
REALLY latch on to electroinca suck it lifeless?  C'mon I bet there were
quite a few of you who were worried.  Ill admit I was troubled but when
has there EVER been a top ten instrumental song here in America.  I could
be wrong, but I'll bet money that every song to have graced the
BillBoard's top ten list on the pop charts contained at least a hand full
of words.  

So yeah! Let "them" have their Prodigys and their Chemical Brothers.  As
far as I am concerned their sound is no more related to the stuff I listen
to than is Garth Brooks and his friends the Spice Girls.

Words.  When will the world learn???

Adam Meadows


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That "umm how old are we??" string reminded me of something that has been
on my mind lately:  Am I an "old" raver??  And can anyone really get too
old to "rave"??  I know people in their mid-and-late 20's that are "old
skool" or whatevah you wanna call it, and they still go to parties, and
then there's all those little 15 and 16 year olds that have been going to
parties for 6 months or something............and then there's my "skool"
of raver, (that I like to refer to affectionately/jokingly as the "middle
skool" who are 19, 20, 21, 22-ish)...  I'm turning 20 in May, and I've
been going to parties for 5 years now.  I FEEL SO OLD, 'specially when I
see all those little adidas-wearing glowsitck-toting 15 year olds.  I
went through this thing last year where I was like, "Ok, I think I should
'grow up' now", but it definitely didn't work, now that I'm almost 20 and
going to parties every weekend once again.  

I came to the conclusion that #1- I'm not gonna just "grow out" of
parties, and #2- Once a "raver", always a "raver", even if you're old
skool and come out to a party about once every 2 months (or 6 months). 
If it's in your heart, expect a little  longevitiy.  

*miles of smiles* :)  :)  :)
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what about the theme from miami vice?  i'm sure that made it on the
charts.....

>>> Adam Leon Meadows <meadowsa@expert.cc.purdue.edu>  3/31/98,
09:09pm >>>

 Ill admit I was troubled but when
has there EVER been a top ten instrumental song here in America.  I
could
be wrong, but I'll bet money that every song to have graced the
BillBoard's top ten list on the pop charts contained at least a hand
full
of words.  

So yeah! Let "them" have their Prodigys and their Chemical Brothers. 
As
far as I am concerned their sound is no more related to the stuff I
listen
to than is Garth Brooks and his friends the Spice Girls.

Words.  When will the world learn???

Adam Meadows



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In a message dated 98-03-31 20:00:28 EST, you write:

> Businessmen can sell product, but community can't
>  be manufactured.

i just want that phrase to pop up once more.... that sez it all!!


cheers
Blue

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In a message dated 98-03-31 22:53:18 EST, you write:

> what about the theme from miami vice?  i'm sure that made it on the
>  charts.....

how 'bout "Axel F" from Beverly Hills Cop??  or the intro theme to Kids in the
Hall... well, i'm sure it wasn't on the charts, but it did get airplay...


cheers
Blue

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does anyone know the 411 on this party? i mean who are the promoters?
secondly info line. thirdly. is landstrumm spinnin or doin' a live set?

mikey...


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>  Ill admit I was troubled but when has there EVER been a top ten
> instrumental song here in America.  I could be wrong, but I'll bet money
> that every song to have graced the BillBoard's top ten list on the pop
> charts contained at least a hand full of words. 

> what about the theme from miami vice?  i'm sure that made it on the
> charts.....

i don't have an encyclopedia of pop music sitting in front of me, but a
few instrumental tracks are worth mentioning here.  

"axel f" (1984?) by harold faltermeyer was huge, and had not a word in it. 
the anti-vietnam electro track "19" (1984) by paul hardcastle featured
some vocals and snippets from a PBS documentary, but it was basically an
instrumental track.  "rockit" (1983)  by herbie hancock was another
extremely important one, and one of the most avant-garde.  the
all-electronic "chariots of fire" (1981) by vangelis made it to number
one, and is pretty uplifting even today. 

but these are just a few examples.  in fact, instrumental electronic music
goes back as far as 1972 with "popcorn," which i'm sure everyone on this
list has heard but does not know (imagine sesame street-sounding music but
electronic :).  it wasn't a number one but i know it cracked the top 10. 

there's been quite a bit of instrumental music to make it big, and i'm not
even mentioning the all- or mostly-electronic film scores like "cat
people" (1982?) and "halloween" (1978?) which had a tremendous impact. 

this is just to point out that even with as blase an animal as american
pop music, things are always more complex than they look...heh

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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, eluna wrote:

> > I could be wrong, but I'll bet money
> > that every song to have graced the BillBoard's top ten list on the pop
> > charts contained at least a hand full of words. 

of course by using the word "every" I set myself up for immediate down
fall. insert the word most before it please.


> i don't have an encyclopedia of pop music sitting in front of me, but a
> few instrumental tracks are worth mentioning here.  
> 
> "axel f" (1984?) by harold faltermeyer was huge, and had not a word in it. 

> all-electronic "chariots of fire" (1981) by vangelis made it to number
> one, and is pretty uplifting even today. 

Here I have to concede.  I do not know how "axel f" did on the pop charts
but I suspect it did well.  I do recall that "chariots of fire" did make
it to number one so thanks for pointing that out.


Of course 99.3% of the songs to have reached the top ten still is close
enough to "every" for me.  

I guess it does show that the general public is not rigidly close minded
in their musical tastes but does show a slight bias toward lyrics.  One
can not help but think there is some significance in the fact that the
electronic acts seeing any sort of air play on MTV (namely Roni, Prodigy,
Chem Bros) all rely on lyrics more than most electronic music .

Adam Meadows


(On second thought though, if we consider every type of non-lyrical music
(Jazz, classical, techno, etc.) I would suspect that a healthy percentage
of people that enjoy instrumental music does exist. Hmmmm )




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ed... I love ya to death... but you left out one of my all time faves...
I'm not sure if it went top ten, but Deodato's version of Also Sprach
Zarathustra is AMAZING... and it even shows up on one of those Have A
Nice Day - Super Hits Of The 70s cds.
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Alan wrote:
> 
> Hi kids!
> 
> Could anyone help me out on some info on the happenins this weekend
> around the madison, milwaukee, and chicago areas?  Something less than
> $20 would be nice. 

whaddap sucka?!
here's me pick fer this weekend:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
SATURDAY APRIL 4        CHICAGO, IL         ENLIGHTENMENT

 For their 1 yr aniversary Positive Productions  presents
 

Room 1
11-12 Mindrive
12-1 Halo
1-2 Adam Marshall
2-3:30 Justin Long .... again
3:30-5 Casper
5-6 Diz
6-7 Floppy

Room 2
(same Times)
marcus watkins
mindbender
tron
jeff feller
mel hammond
john "break it down"
tim krochalk

Room 3
(same times again)
11-12 chad phlow
freak nasty
dj tan
black lotus
angelus
sean b
spaz
nando
 

 
 ****MORE INFO****
 chicago - 312.409.0171
 milwaukee - 414.297.9212
 
 full scale afterhours and special guests tba
 
 18$

....PosiPro's first (and errrr, last event, aside from the infamous 420
block party afterhours fer FasterPussycat last year...well, break
myself; they were behind all the ragin afterhours and a few reallive
parties at the south-side-chi funeral home as well.) Happy Daze, was a
damn good time....an i expect this Enlightenment bit to be summore of
the same. these kids all gots their hearts in the right place, an they
throw a hellova partay. besides, i think they gots the mighty Log2rd
sound kickin wif this one, so it'd be well worth yer while ta come on
out an reprazent er whatever.

ummmmm. anyone who's not going an from Milwaukee wanna babysit my 5yr
old little girl fer me? :) ....cause i really wanna be there! 

bye!
--aRNO
 
66666666666666 666 66666666666666666666666 666

"He got a bit paper, stuck it down one of the Terror Corps dancers'
G-string, 
wiped it on her minge, and rubbed it on me mates face, nice."

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> Of course 99.3% of the songs to have reached the top ten still is close
> enough to "every" for me.
>
> I guess it does show that the general public is not rigidly close minded
> in their musical tastes but does show a slight bias toward lyrics.  One
> can not help but think there is some significance in the fact that the
> electronic acts seeing any sort of air play on MTV (namely Roni, Prodigy,
> Chem Bros) all rely on lyrics more than most electronic music .
>
> Adam Meadows
>
> (On second thought though, if we consider every type of non-lyrical music
> (Jazz, classical, techno, etc.) I would suspect that a healthy percentage
> of people that enjoy instrumental music does exist. Hmmmm )


Well, there are two ways of looking at this. First, are we talking specifically
about 'pop Top 40', or did everyone forget that Billboard lists and ranks jazz,
blues and classical categories (accounting for 12-15% of annual music sales in
the US), in addition to the more familiar R&B, blues, and country charts?
Second, before most everyone on the list was born, surfer music was absolutely
huge in the late '60s, with songs like 'Wipeout' topping the charts for weeks
at a time. And also, much to my surprise, I was reading recently that before
rock and roll in the '50s, the big music craze in the '40s and early '50s was
Hawaiian (much of it instrumental)! It was so popular that people could order
ukeleles, slide guitars and home study courses from all the big retailers.
Sears had something like a dozen different 'starter kits' available, and the
experts agree that it was this, and not the explosion of rock and roll later in
the '50s, that made the guitar such a popular instrument in the States.
Entry #3,901,462 in the Odd Bits and Useless Crap Repository.

Vance



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didn't kenny g crack the charts?  or enya?  or those chanting monks from a
couple years back that became really popular?


np:  cappadonna - the pillage
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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Robin Urmanic wrote:

> > I would have to agree with you considering I was with you (matt) all
> > night....Stacey Pullen was one of the best sets I have heard in a long
> > time...the highlight of the evening.  Too bad there weren't more people
> > there....space is awesome, lights were awesome, sound was kickin'....but the
> > people were few and far between....
> > dan.
> 
> WEll, did they even promote this party? I never saw a flyer and only
> heard about it on MW-Raves a couple days before -- but no info line was
> posted, unfortunately.
> 
> This bums me out because I know more ppl including myself would have
> gone  . . .
> 
> -- Robin
> High-R Frequencies magazine

No shit. Not that I *minded* hearing Soul Foundation and all, but StLouis
is so much phatter than Topeka. =)

[and there's no i70 turnpike. heh.]

peace, hugs,
andrew


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paradyme@lotek.org wrote:
> 
> haha! I found this most amusing...but baby boomer and gen-x'r?
> I have always believed my parents to be baby boomers...and those around age
> 25-30 to be Gen-X'rs, thus making this list almost entirely applicable to
> them.  As the next set of peeps, (gen-y?) I just wondered if someone could
> clear this up? thanks
> 

Boomer babies were those born pre-1964 (making me one :-) or is that :-0
). I just used that info in something I wrote at work yesterday, hehehe. 

Not sure if Gen-Xers started right after or not. 

Anyway, I got a good laugh at this stuff. 

-- Robin 
Kansas City

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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Robin Urmanic wrote:

> Boomer babies were those born pre-1964 (making me one :-) or is that :-0
> ). I just used that info in something I wrote at work yesterday, hehehe. 
> 
> Not sure if Gen-Xers started right after or not. 

yep. boomers are 1946-around 1964. gen x are essentially childs of the
60's thru 1976. 1977 technichly (sp!) is gen y/next. so i'm *two*
generations removed from you. heheh. 

gen y has not yet been successfully stereotyped. woohoo!

peace,
andrew

> Anyway, I got a good laugh at this stuff. 
> 
> -- Robin 
> Kansas City
> 


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On April 18th, 1998 WRVU and family want you to...

	REMEMBER

Bringing together our friends and family, some 
of the greatest names in house, hip-hop, and 
drum ‘n bass, to Nashville, TN.  Come share 
our love in a fresh new indoor/outdoor venue 
that will set the mood for celebration.

Here’s the details...

---------------
Club91
---------------
Erick "More" Morillo
Subliminal  Records
New York

Tony B!
DJ/Remixer/Producer
International Hooligans
Los Angeles

DJ Orlando
DJ/Remixer/Producer
International Hooligans
Los Angeles

Gisele Jackson
**Live Performance**
Bringing her "Love Commandments" to the Southeast
Waako Records, New York

Samm-e
Teamsters/Vinyl Boy/Fidelity Flip
Chattanooga

Audio Transit
**Live Performance**
Form Records
Nashville

Brad Robinson
Hardkiss Intern
Nashville

---------------
911 Emergency
---------------
****JUST ADDED*****
Total Eclipse
NY X-Ecutioners (Formerly the X-MEN)
1996 ITF East Coast Champion
New York

Rhettmatic
World Famous Beatjunkies Crew
1996/1997 West Coast DMC Champion
1997 ITF World Team Champion
Los Angeles

Peanut Butter Wolf
Stones Throw
San Francisco

J-Live
**Live Performace**
Payday/Rawshack
New York

Egon & Count Bass-D
The Soul Brothers/Sponge Bath
Connecticut/Nashville

John Doe
Kentucky


---------------
91Abstractions
---------------
A-Sides
Metalheadz Artist Sci-Clone
Owner of Eastside Records
London, England

Bobble
20hz Cartel / Rewind Records
Atlanta

Little Jen
20hz Cartel
Atlanta

Ed Crowell
The Levi’s Jungle DJ
Hollywood

MK2
M.A.D. Bass Recordings
Nashville

Lary Breaks
Assembly Required
Nashville

Chek
Tweek ‘n Peak Productions
Nashville

Mayday
Form Records Crew
Kentucky

---------------
Friends and Family Room
---------------
Flip C (World Conspiracy, Huntsville)
DJ Ron (WRVU, Nashville)
Beethoven (Smiling Face Productions, Birmingham)
Cool Hands (WRVU, Nashville)
Ajani Elles (Nashville)
D-Funk (WRVU, Nashville)
Digital Information Systems **Live PA** (Form, Nashville)

---------------
Chill Way Out Zone
---------------
A full floor of cushion for you to chill back 
and enjoy the hypnotic vibes of...
91 Noise Crew (WRVU, Nashville)
Tig (Assembly Required, Nashville)
Ambivouac (Mystical Creations, Nashville)

*****LINEUP IS 100% CONFIRMED*****

---------------
Da Venue
---------------
The James E. Ward Agricultural Center (Lebanon, TN)
This is an outdoor fairgrounds with ALL INDOOR BUILDINGS	
This event with be held rain or shine and you will stay dry
Please dress accordingly (weather in TN is so unpredictable)
**Venue is 30 minutes East of Nashville**
>From Nashville:  	I-40 East 28 miles to Hwy 70 west (Exit 239B)
			James E. Ward Center is 1 mile on right
>From Alabama:		I-65 North to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville
>From Kentucky:	I-65 South to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville
>From Memphis:		I-40 East to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville
>From Knoxville:	I-40 West to Hwy 70 west (Exit 239B)
			James E. Ward Center is 1 mile on right
>From Atlanta:		Get to Chatanooga and follow I-24 W to Nashville
			Follow directions from Nashville

---------------
Da Price
---------------
$15.00 Admission at the gate (no pre-sale)
All profits benefit the non-profit radio station WRVU
Gates open at 8pm and close at 8am
All Ages until Midnight - 18+ after midnight

----------------
Da Technical Stuff
---------------
Sound and Lighting Provided by Crescent City Sound and Lights (New Orleans)
Visuals provided by Optimystiq

----------------
Da Free Stuff
---------------
Since we are a radio station, we do have lots of friends in the business.
So we managed to gather a mountain of free CDs, T-shirts, records, stickers,
posters, and other stuff that is 100% free.
Much love going out to our friends at:
	Jellybean*Def Jam*Loud*Jive*Mercury*Noo Trybe*OM
	Columbia*Work*Hardkiss*Concentrated Entertainment
	Cajual*Elektra*Hooligan Music*Subliminal*Definitive
	Metalheadz*Spectre*Chippie*BML*Universal*NovaMute

---------------
Da Info-Line
---------------
WRVU:	615-343-7816 (MAIN INFO LINE)
Assembly Required: 615-780-2909

---------------
Da Other Stuff
---------------
Hotel Information
	All hotels located off exit 238 (5 minutes from venue)
	Make reservations - there is a convention in town that weekend
		Hampton Inn $52.00/night (615-444-7400)
		Days Inn $46.80/night (615-444-5635)
		Best Western Inn $52/night (615-444-0505)

There will be a monster pre-party held at 176 Underground in downtown
Nashville
Lineup Confirmed thus far for April 17th Pre-Party:  
	Tony B! (Int’l Hooligans, Los Angeles)
	DJ Orlando (Int’l Hooligans, Los Angeles)
	DJ Midimack (UC Music, Chicago)
	J-Live **Live Performance** (Payday/Rawshack, NYC)
	Egon and Count Bass-D (WRVU, Nashville)
	Lary Breaks (Assembly Required, Nashville)
	Beethoven (Smiling Face Productions, Birmingham)
	Brad Robinson (Hardkiss Intern, Nashville)

Vendors interested in setting up shop at Remember 
please contact me at 615-298-0142

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