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Happy New Year everyone! So how were all the New Years parties?  


andrew j. shay ( qerve )
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website soon.

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happy ravin new year to y'all!  :D

jon/dica


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Well... happy new years all!    (n all that...)

My New Years Resolution:
1-Have more fun in 97 than any other of the
  22 years I've been on this planet.

(I've got such high aspirations in life)

I didnt do tha thing mosta ya did.
Partied out at a friends cabin by a lake.

>take two of these and thank me in the morning,
>michael
>allroy

Sounds like a plan, I needem after last night &')
That Mickey's is puttin tha hurt on me...

 originally ignorant
 formerly knowledgeable
 currently hypocritical		-Jason  :P
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I went to the Chicago party Truth, thrown by ATP, yesterday. It 
cost $22 and was held in the South Expo Center, a decent space,
tho I hear it is overused!  I enjoyed myself at this party, the 
music was very good (not as good as DDay 3, but good stuff!), I
didn't pay attention to the DJ names too much. 

The laser show had too many strobes, they got annoying after a
while of shining and blinking right in your eyes, but if you 
stood to the side, it was good. And the projector screen show
was great!  One thing they did that I loved was the blowup romper
room they put on the floor, it was awesome! I must have spent a
good 3 hours in that thing, half my time ;) It was fun. Vibe was
ok, people were cool in general. Lots of cool costumes and stuff
and interesting hairstyles :) ATP brings out the crowd! 4 stars
out of 5 from your humble reviewer. 


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        Anyone out there who could sort me out with a good tape of 
Mystical Influence??  I would be willing to do a swap.

jess/madison
butta@ix.netcom.com


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Yeppers, I went to Mil-town for NYE. All I can say is there were too many
people.

Can't really say anything else cuz it took a long time to get anywhere. I
think I had fun... I spent the count down in my car listen to an urban
Mil-town station... hip hop... not very exciting, but at least I was with
somebody I love....

Forget last year,

Phil

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I'd rather see a party in a overused space than a risk in a shut down party :)

good job ATP :)(although i wasnt there physicly)


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a short review...

i had a pretty good time. was kinda miffed at first about the ticket 
price but then i realised- i have only seen about 3 or 4 of the main 
lineup djs, and this is a big party, wih 2 foriegn acts and several out 
of state acts....it's worth the cash.  nice space, the eagles ballroom 
always is...still, too many people. 

lights aren't really impotant to me so there, ummm visuals...kinda boring 
(text only) but as the night went on there was some interesting things to 
be seen. sound...nice, but...too loud on the high ends. during fred 
gianelli's set, the bell sounds he used had me covering my ears.

danny the wildchild was pretty wicked...prototype 909 was great...alec 
empire was umm...loud...total output was really nice, i liked the female 
mc hyping thecrowd bit. johnsin spun a really nice techstep set inthe 
netmeet room, too bad some knob had to decide to be so fucked up that he 
was bumping the tables. phantom 45 was absolutely tearin in the first 20 
-30 minutes of his set but...i leeft the floor for several reasons. too 
many ppl trying to push in, and scantily clad females shoving body parts 
in my face. now, i thought the dancers were a nice touch and they were 
nice ladies- i talked to some of them before they went on- but it got a 
little out of control. it was cool when they were grooving and strutting, 
it was a little overboard to have them butterfly a foot from my face. and 
the crowd was throwing shit at them, booing them...really killing 
phantom's set for me. and it seemed to me that phantom lost a bit of it 
when the crowd did too...i didn't really find the rest of his set 
interesting.  he still is the best jungle dj in america hands down IMO. 
the end of his set was just lacking energy.  also please kids, leave the 
meth at home and get with that bassline...seriouly i tried to walk back 
off the floor during his set and was almost killed by flailing kids. 

oh yes, fred gianelli and chris sattinger were great too...chris what 
exactly happened with the pole during your set? hope you didnt lose any 
gear on that one...

BTW the netmeet was fun- nice to finally meet some of you and see others 
of you again. oh yeah michael i couldn't find u before i left, i'll mail 
the tapes to you.

i had fun. thanks dbn and other promoters involved.:)

cheers,
dylan

_____________________________________________________________________
| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            
| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            
| personal homepage: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet
| mw jungle page: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet/jungle



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan  1 19:10:54 1997
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It's all about riot cops.

So I went, against my will, to a mega-rave in downtown Los Angeles called
Seventh Heaven: Circa 97, thrown by CPU101, one of LA's largest promoters.
Tix were $30 through ticketbastard. I'm estimating about 4000 people
showed up. It was a mix of ravers and some curious kids who heard about
the event via KROQ (they sponsored Organic) and the new "Groove Radio", a
dance/techno station. Apparently Herbal Ecstasy became illegal as of
midnight, some new law, so a new substance, called Herbal FX was
developed, and the manufacturers (who were guest listed) were apparently
giving it away, and it was making kids sick. Over 30 kids were taken to
the hospital, a few are still in critical condition. Some fire department
person suggested that maybe this "FS" had GHB in it, but I personally
doubt that, since it was supposed to be a legal substance. Anyway, the
promoters came on the PA and told people to not take any free drugs,
especially this FX. The line to get in was separated into men and women
for the search (insane, they made me taket he batteries out of my
flashlight and they took my Visine), and we got in, but before the women
we were with could get in, security shut the gates with no explaination.
So we waited, but no explaination came. Needless to say, the kids outside
got kind of upset. There were probably 100 kids outside the gate I was
watching, and they were yelling about paying so much only to wait in line.
All this time, the music was still going. Eventually the crowd pulled the
gate open and about 800 kids rushed in. There were three news choppers
circlng overhead (it was outside), and it all went live to TV. Apparently
then it was dubbed a "riot" (I've never seen so many happy, huggy people
in the middle of a riot before), and the gates were shut again. Nobody was
allowe din or out, and a cop drove by outside and told the kids who stll
hadn't otten in to go home, that the party was over. but it continued
inside for another 40 inutes or so. And then we found out why. At least
200 cops in full riot gearshowed up. Still no explaination came over the
PA. The just kind of started shooting teargas grenades at us.  Apparently
they were shootinhg at the crowd with rubber bullets out of shotgus as
well, but I didn't see that. At this point I should say a little in defese
of the other side. I think th way it happened was the Fire Marshall
ordered the gates shut temporarily so that nobody else could be exposed to
the FX that was going around, and when the crowd got mad they decided to
shut things down. But instead of explaining toe situation to kids, they
stayed silent, played the music to keep us all peaceful, and brought in
thier army of cops.  Then they systematically attacked us and drove us
from the space. From thier perspective, the only way to avoid a riot was
to exhibit thier power and scare us all off. Bad idea. Very few people
were resisting. I saw no guards or cops attacked. I saw kids jump the
fence to get i, only to be tackled by rough security guards, and end up
scraped and bruised.  Sorry for the typos. We went in to the parking
structure to get to our cars, and everybody was kind of milling around,
being pretty peaceful, watching the cops go nuts, and muttering aout how
fucked up this whole situation was. The cops cut the pe power rto the
parking garage, perhaps the whole lblock. It looked dark. I saw cops with
rifles and bayonets. I'm sure hey were just as scareed aw we were,
expecting to be attacked by drugged out teens. it didn't happen. They
routed us, we all feared for our lives and went home. I don't know how the
news media treated it, but it wa scary, it was violent and overzealous on
the part of the cops, and if 'd paid for my ticket I would have been
pretty pissed too. . Don't come to LA. I'm glad I'm leaving this fucked up
place.

Gage

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Jeff Gage                                            gage@hyperreal.com

(computer scientist by major, sociologist by nature, raver by religion) 

http://www.hyperreal.com/~gage       for://ward.theyouth/rev/olut.ion!


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can the people i talked to about mac computer parts prior to christmas 
contact me via email again...  i lost all of my current messages from 
you people...

matt massive

massive@mixcom.com

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It was awesome, had a great time. Met a shitload of nice people, gave away
tons of candy rocked to hardcore musik all nite(much to the dismay of my
body). Got there way too early though thought it would take 5 hours to
drive there from the Quad Cities , but only took 3. Got lost on the way
back went thru madison so that took 5 hours. Found out I really only like
jungle at home, not to much fun to dance to but their were enough other
rooms to enjoy myself. It was nice that people actually had candy to trade
and that people actually were happy about getting get it(most midwest
partiers look at me wierd when i walk up and give them a pixie stick). kept
losing people i came with so wandered around and danced with lots of
different people. Kinda funny seeing people slam dance at a rave, but had a
good laugh about it anyways. Got some metalheads to headbangs and yell
slayer during alec empires set. Had fun playing jokes on people. Ooops I'm
babbling. All in all best event i been to since i got back to midwest.

Happy 97!

Jeff


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Anyone going to see DRC and others this weekend in Iowa?? I know I am.
Kinda was lost in the milwaukee NYE party and was in emotions/pantomimes
only mode around that time, when i finally asked people what time it was,
it was 1:30 so missed netmeet. Would like to meet some of yous someday .
Let me know if your goin

-jeff


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wow, that was a completely amazing story that jeff gage told.  <in shock>

still in awe and amazement,

jon/dica

np:  moby - ambient


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There is a rave at Club Sparks (all ages) tonight. I have no clue what the 
line up is. Sparks is located at 104 West Main, Louisville (conner of First 
and W. Main) so if you are bored, come on out. Sorry that all this info I 
have.

French E


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> Okay, I'm going to assume that this message was meant for more than just
> me.  Especially since nothing in it was a comment made by me...<???>
> 
> Always,
> Erinaceous
> ;-}

oops duh did i send that to just you? it was supposed to go to the
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Sorry, I wrote this but I meant to send it to the whole list. Happy New 
Year!

DJ Weasel wrote:
 
 I was watching my local news (I live in Cincinnati) a few minutes ago nd
> I heard about that rave (they called it a "concert"). It said that 31
> people were taken to the hospital and the substance was illegal. They
> also said the promoters said it was an "herbal stimulant" that was legal.
> 
> I was just suprised to see this because I had read about it on MW-Raevs
> but I didn't expect to see it on the news. They also had amatuer video
> from someone who ahd brought a camera to the rave. It was pretty
> interesting. They also talked about how the riot police came in and they
> had pictures of people jumping on busses, yelling, and other stuff, hmmm.
> 
> Just thought you would like to know.
> 
> from Weasel
> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3326/index.html

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----------
From:  South East Rave List on behalf of Todd Morman
Sent:  Thursday, January 02, 1997 11:06 AM
To:  Multiple recipients of list SERAVES
Subject:  Scary rave evening

Yo, I got this in my inbox from an online gossip column called The Drudge
Report. Sounds pretty serious, and not good news for the rave community:

>Well, the kids at the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles took the prize with
>their New Year's trip into hell.  The wrongly-named "Circa-In Seventh
>Heaven" rave, a multi-stage event with dozens of deejays playing energized
>trip-hop music, ended hours before midnight when firefighters found 13,000
>sheeple crammed into the auditorium - including nearly a dozen who were
>unconscious.  The scene looked like Jonestown.  "Orange rush" was the drug
>of choice: a mix of Herbal Ecstasy, LSD, GHB (or gamma hydroxybutyrate),
>known as "Liquid X."  At least 51 sheep, all in their late teens or early
>20s, became sick from the "bad batch"; 35 were rushed to the hospital;
>several stopped breathing and were saved when paramedics put them on
>resuscitators.   MTV rushed to put the video into heavy rotation.  Buzz
>clip.  After the show had been shutdown, the crowd took to the streets for
>the standard throwing of objects and braking of windows.  At one point, it
>all became overly cliched when a city bus was attacked - rocked back and
>forth with that teen spirit.  The crowd was dispersed by 200 cops shooting
>rubber bullets and wearing what is quickly becoming the standard New Year's
>Eve wardrobe in America, replacing the tux -- riot gear.  1997:  The kids
>aren't alright.

Anyone else know anything about this?

todd sheesh some people really just don't get it do they morman

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Subject: Anti Racist Action party and Racists !
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I'll get the full details to post later, but ....
JVC and Anti Racists Action are presenting a party in Mpls. with 

Shy FX !
and the JVC crew (naturally :)  ).

So anyway, I'm standing outside of the Milwackky NYE at about 6 AM and 
some guy comes up to us and gives my friend (who is vietnmese) a flyer 
for this Shy FX party.   I ask him if he knows the JVC guys, mention that 
I know them pretty well.   No, he only is interested in Shy FX.  He asks 
what our crew is (we are holding gear from my live PA).  I tell him my 
name tell him I was doing hard techno.   "hard techno, fuck that.  (to my 
friend - )  why you hangin out with this white guy ?  why you trust a 
white guy ?  give me your phone number man (?)"  my friend is like 
"whoah, we're just chillin"    all of a sudden the guy is in real fight 
mode against my friend, cause he won't agree with him (??)      weird as 
hell, drugs involved I suppose.
general bullshit and this is an ANTI RACIST benefit !@!!!!!!

10-4 over and out good buddy.
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Didn't you read Jeff Gage's firsthand post on the party earlier?


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On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Davis Bassan wrote:

> 
> 
> ----------
> From:  South East Rave List on behalf of Todd Morman
> Sent:  Thursday, January 02, 1997 11:06 AM
> To:  Multiple recipients of list SERAVES
> Subject:  Scary rave evening
> 
> Yo, I got this in my inbox from an online gossip column called The Drudge
> Report. Sounds pretty serious, and not good news for the rave community:
> 
> >Well, the kids at the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles took the prize with
> >their New Year's trip into hell.  The wrongly-named "Circa-In Seventh
> >Heaven" rave, a multi-stage event with dozens of deejays playing energized
> >trip-hop music, ended hours before midnight when firefighters found 13,000
> >sheeple crammed into the auditorium - including nearly a dozen who were
> >unconscious.  The scene looked like Jonestown.  "Orange rush" was the drug
> >of choice: a mix of Herbal Ecstasy, LSD, GHB (or gamma hydroxybutyrate),
> >known as "Liquid X."  At least 51 sheep, all in their late teens or early
> >20s, became sick from the "bad batch"; 35 were rushed to the hospital;
> >several stopped breathing and were saved when paramedics put them on
> >resuscitators.   MTV rushed to put the video into heavy rotation.  Buzz
> >clip.  After the show had been shutdown, the crowd took to the streets for
> >the standard throwing of objects and braking of windows.  At one point, it
> >all became overly cliched when a city bus was attacked - rocked back and
> >forth with that teen spirit.  The crowd was dispersed by 200 cops shooting
> >rubber bullets and wearing what is quickly becoming the standard New Year's
> >Eve wardrobe in America, replacing the tux -- riot gear.  1997:  The kids
> >aren't alright.
> 
> Anyone else know anything about this?
> 
> todd sheesh some people really just don't get it do they morman
> 


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Ok, i've finally recovered enough to write a review of this party.

Space:  I thought it was really nice.  The main room is really large and open
which kept the air fresh and there was always room to dance.  It was a little
hard to move between floors for a while, but after security told people to goto
one of the rooms and not congergate in the area between the rooms, things moved
pretty smoothly.  Security was alright too, no complaints about them either.

Sound:  it had it's good points and it's bad points.  Twice during P909 it went
out, and during Reese's set it popped a lot.

Lights:  Not much to say about that, the venue was to well lit for the lights
to take full effect, which really dosen't matter to me anyways.

Chris Satinger:  His pa sounded different than what it was at Pearl in detroit
but i could be wrong.  It was really nice, but he was on when i just got there
and it takes me a little bit after a 5 hour drive to get into things.

Alec Empire: What can you say,  it was deffinitly hard and he cleared the
floor out pretty quickly.  But as on of the girls i went with said, that's how
you tell a good hardcore dj, by how quickly they clear the floor.

Total Output:  Nice pa i thought, the female mcing was the bomb.  I really did
enjoy their set, even though i didn't dance to it much.  I usually love
hardcore but for some reason i wasn't in the mood for it that night, not good
timing for a DBN party  :)

P909:  As usually they did a good job, to bad the sound went out on them twice,
once just at the end of a really nice build up.

The Kooky Scientist:  One of the highlights of my night.  I couldn't stop
dancing through the entire set.  It was truely amazing and ranks in my top 5
live pa's.

Reese:  Absoulty an amazing set.  To bad that the speakers kept popping on him.

Well just to shorten things up, i thought all of the dj's did a nice job.  I
spent most of the time in the main room, so i can't really comment on the other
dj's.


Bad points:  First, i'm sorry but that MC got pretty fuckin annoying.  I wanted
to tell him to shut up and let the people i went there to see do their thing.
I don't mind them announcing the acts but he feel in love with the microphone,
and wouldn't shut up sometimes.

Also where was the free food, that was one of the main reasons we went to the
after hour party, was to get the free food, we were all so hungry.  Second,
this is not a flame at the Freebase Collective, but the sight for the afterhour
party was too small i think.  I felt packed in there.  At afterhour parties i
like to have room to sit down a relax and all, there just wasn't enough room
for that there.  I wish the DBN would have found a larger place for the after
hours.

Basically these are small things and i had the best time at the party.  all i
have to say is same time, same place next year.

Oh, forgot one thing.  The vibe at the party was amazing i thought.  I met
soooo many people and made so many new friends.

--
joff
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
-- Albert Einstein


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eluna wrote:
> 
> well, i dont want to be a new year's eve sourpuss, but i noticed
> something last week which i've been meaning to bring up on the list.
> 
> here it is:
> 
> 1) atp presents: TRUTH 12.31 chicago
>    with boo williams and glenn underground
> 
> 2) sin productions presents: AXIS 12.31 indianapolis
>    with boo williams and glenn underground
> 
> 3) li'l june/that girl/vibe alive present: AEONIA 12.31 st. louis
>    with boo williams and glenn underground
> 
> someone is lying.
> 
> i can see them playing two events, it's been done before, but three
> events?  preposterous.
> 
> i'm sorry to bring up such a negative point on the eve of a brand new
> year, but it's yet another example of what i think is wrong with our
> lovely little scene.
> 
> perhaps each of these promoters think they are the ones getting these DJs,
> so they of course do not feel they are lying.  atp and sin, for example,
> have both been throwing parties for years, and i don't know the st. louis
> promoters, so who can say?  maybe their voicelines can explain the
> discrepancy...i don't know because i haven't called them.
> 
> but unless cloning technology has accelerated beyond what i thought was
> possible and there are more then one boo williamses and glenn undergrounds
> running around, it's safe to say that at least one of these events will
> probably NOT feature these DJs.
> 
> most of you won't see this until after the new year has begun, but i'm
> asking you all to help me in 1997, to bring attention to these kinds of
> inconsistencies and problems, whether they be promotional goof-ups,
> DJ/booking agent goof-ups, pricing problems, space problems, general
> hypocracies, shadiness, or whatever.  god only knows, bad things have
> happened at our events too, but hey, it's not so hard to get ahold of us,
> and our events usually don't clean out your wallet.
> 
> but there's a lot of people out there throwing events who really need
> reminders/guidance/advice/feedback from us, including us event-thowers on
> the net, or those of us who think we know what we're doing.
> 
> maybe i'm a little idealistic, but after the things i have seen and
> experienced in my own exploration of this dance-music phenomenon, i feel
> we _must be able to do better_.
> 
> my resolution in '97 is too continue to explore for myself just what that
> "better" means.  i know it won't mean the same thing to all of you, but
> that's part of what makes us strong.  we all bring our own perspectives
> and expectations into the experience, and hopefully we'll listen to or pay
> attention to what each of us is saying, and take with us whatever we find
> useful.
> 
> but we've got an uphill battle against us, as we fight to keep the "scene"
> (in its various forms) away from greed, shadiness, commodification and
> drug ABuse that erode its strength.
> 
> by now, i hope most of you already know where i stand.  this "scene" is
> about more than just "partying."  it's about more than just looking cool,
> fitting in, or escaping mainstream society.  it's about more than us as
> individuals, although it does involve personal triumphs and tragedies.
> it intertwines with the musical, artistic, and technological forces that
> have made this all possible...
> 
> and sure, it's all about having fun and exploring new things, too, but if
> it's possible to take all this energy that we feel at these events and
> forge something "better" out of it, don't we owe it to ourselves to try?
> 
> what does that "better" mean to you?
> ++
> e d
> 
> ele-mental.coil.com/
> 21/22
> think(again)


Boo and Glenn did play in St. Louis.  I don't know about the other two
parties.
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I saw something I did not expect to see on the MSNBC web site. For those 
who don't know, MSNBC is a chennel like CNN, where the have news and 
stuff. On the main page, they had the title "Trip-hop, music for the 
milleneum." I clicked and I found the Ambient Lounge. 

I did not expect to find this stuff on a news site. I am just kinda 
boggled. Anyway, here is the URL, I am going to check out the rest of the 
Ambient Lounge. L8R | PLUR

Weasel

http://www.msnbc.com/specials/triphop/default.asp

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Another thing, they have samples of different kinds of music and the 
Prodigy is the example for techno. I didn't know The Prodigy was 
considered techno. 

Always Surfing, Weasel

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On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Linda Mautner wrote:

> Another thing, they have samples of different kinds of music and the 
> Prodigy is the example for techno. I didn't know The Prodigy was 
> considered techno. 

the prodigy, "the prodigy experience", realeased in 1992, still stands as 
one of my favorite albums of all time. the prodigy have been around 
releasing shit since 90-91, and have gone from straight up classic uk 
hardcore to odd hip hop and more club oriented sounds with their second 
album, "songs for the jilted generation", and with the latest release, 
they've fused their sound with a almost chemical brothers feel, with a 
slower breakbeat sound. their "bozo on crack" mc is NOT the guy they 
started out with as an mc, IMO the old mc was very much preferable to mr. 
firestarter. BTW, "firestarter' is about a year old now. shows you how 
long an institution like american tv and radio takes to catch on to 
musical trends outside of the country.

if i was asked to give an example of "techno" (in the strict sense of the 
word) , i woulndn't suggest the prodigy. they're simply hardcore dance 
music these days..somewhat in a category by themselves.

cheers,
dylan
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well, not hellish...more like...eventful :>
i am surprised at the number of posts regarding this party so far..
there was so many netters there! just like randy's net-party :>
but here's my $.02...in a weird, yet chronological order..to the
best of my knowledge, that is...which isnt very dependable..anyway..
holy a lot of pple, bruce wayne! i mean, erm... batman. 
(how many pple were there anyway????)
not a bad price, though...considering  everything they offered :>

chris sattinger's live set - as awesome as usual...too bad i missed
 that set at guido's house party..i heard it was great.
new year champagne blast - i was dumb enough to go in the front to
 see how they would ring in the new year...i was soaked with champagne
 just how many bottles did you get, kurt?!?!? :>
alec empire - where the fuck does this guy shop for records!?!?! geez
 loooo-eeeees! 2 hours of pure mayhem..i spent most of it downstairs.
net meet - it was so cool to meet so many new netters! too bad there 
 was no real space where we can all sit and talk in one place..since
 they mentioned us on the flier, you would think we can get a space! :>
total output - i didnt know who they were at first..so i didnt pay much
 attention...seems like my lost for neglecting :>
p909 - rockin'! these guys are great live knob-tweakers. 
kooky scientist - didnt really move me..but then i was looking for 
 chris and megan most of the time...
phatom45 - this man is my god. brian rules!! my current favorite dj!
 it must be nice being his gf :> she gets to hear him everyday!! say,
 kurt, how much does he charge? i want him to spin in my room for the
 day :> how many mixtapes does he have out??? like dylan said, he kinda
 lost it 30 min into his set..but the first 30 min was my highlight.
 he spun again in the second room..thank god i didnt miss that! and he
 spins everywhere nowadays :> ph-ph-phantom-f-f-forty-f-five! forty-five!  
 (what record is that anyway? he always use it for that sample)
reese - i thought he would be better than this? too much of those cut-offs
 on the beats, imo. (ya know..the line/phono thing) 
mr.fingers - old school! the only house-ish set all night??
thats all..the space was neat..sound was good..temperature is nice..

whine> space was trashed! do ravers know how to use garbage cans?? 
 wouldnt it be awesome if there were intelligent lights all around the
 ballroom on those balcony?? there were only 8 (right?) and 4 of them
 were on the stage. those go-go dancers got kinda smutty as the night 
 progresses :> i would rather enjoy phantom 45's set..not some bum cheeks!
 *grins*

hey...that was longer than i expected. oh well...i will skip on the detail
of our misfortune after the party and let chris e! or megan fill you in on
that...but lemme just say that the last couple of out-of-town parties chris
and i went to ended up to be around $200 and a 2 day trip :> oh well, we will
try our luck again at porcupine rocketship in madison in february when i 
get back from europe...right, chris?...chris? okaaay...we will see :>

i am going to sesame street live! tomorrow in mpls! 
(it has became an annual thing *tee hee*)
happy new year to all, and to all a good night,

john/dove (king of tackiness, corniness, cellphone, and grindage)
of
quantize! (which will be out when i get back from europe..promise!)

ps - hi to all the pple that i met! it was neat, to say the least.
pps - phahtom 45 rules! (so do bimbos, string cheese, wet n brush 
      toothbrush, golden axe, airplane! and corny things like that) 

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It took 6 hours of toll-free driving to get to Milwaukee, but I 
eventually got there (just in time to find out that presales were sold 
out :{ ) to the party.  At first we were walking around checking out the 
space; this was only my 2nd time in Wisconsin and heard good things about 
the space earlier.

To make a long story short, the music at this party was undoubtably 
better than a majority of parties I've attended thus far, but my 
experience was hampened by 1)the number of people there 2)the observation 
of booze + chemicals 3)the number of people.

Phil: Do you always wear tie/slacks to parties? Curiousity on my part.

Matt: Did you find the note I wrote you on a chair? Did your cats eat it?

The details:

What did everyone think of the second room with blue lights wired around 
the plastic army mesh nets? As I will say about everything else of this 
party, it was too crowded, but the music was consistently good and hard 
everytime I stopped there.  Everybody was dancing and enjoying themselves 
etc etc...who spun in the second room?

Around 11 I stopped by the MW-Raves room (never seen so many Xmas lights 
strung in a room!) to hear Doormouse.  I liked the use of FastTracker but 
don't like noisecore much, so I went back to the second room, and then to 
the main room...

Damn! Walking into it I felt like I was in some movie scene.  This room 
is so large, spacious (in the vertical sense)! Stayed here for the 
countdown.  The guy in the NASA suit; was that Kurt? 

Alec Empire was...interesting.  I *tried* to go back downstairs...

*and I totally agree with the remark about the relationship between the 
quality of a noisecore DJ and the room-clearing rate*

...anyways, the entire time I was waiting on the staircase, I was 
thinking "fire hazard, fire hazard!" It was a fatal statistic waiting to 
happen.  As a result, the number of people, which I seriously doubt is at 
or less than DBN's advertised 2000 capacity, sorta made the party less 
than enjoyable.  When you're spending more time getting to rooms than in 
the rooms themselves, there's a problem.

More DJs.  I drove to Milwaukee to see Prototype 909.  I was not 
disappointed.  It was cute, though, how the power got killed during a 
really good buildup in their set :)

I wished I could've heard The Kooky Scientist in the main room, but shit 
between security occured (whose common sense/compassion part of their 
brain was lobotomized, I'm led to believe), and I almost had to wait for 
my friend outside the stairs after we had lost him on the way out.  Thank 
goodness for the ticket booth girls who had the heart to allow me to find 
him inside the party again.  

Methinks it will be a long time before I drive that far for a New Year's 
party again (gee, I wonder what nye in China will be like next year?).

Cheers!
Amene
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Hello, just thought id drop a mini-review of st. louis new years. It was nice
seein all the lex  kids who I thought were not gonna show. 
Yes, Boo and Glenn did make it although I never heard Paul Johnson, Blake
Baxter, or Mark Farina, I guess they couldnt grace us with their presence,
anybody know what happened there? 
For anyone who doesnt know me, I was the guy staring at that funk-ass laser
almost the entire evening. I must admit that this party was set up nicely and
the space was well accomodating. 
Set wise,Trevor and Goodwill got this party started right, things started to
come into place. Boo williams spun some of  the most bone-crushin funk ive
ever heard.    . Anybody who stuck around real late got a treat of Disko from
Glenn, which was perfect for closing things up.
Anyway, how was the afterparty if anybody went? 
-chrismatt
btw, best parties of 96- 1.Natural 2.Sickness/Recovery 3. Electric
close fourths.... IO3, Bobby's World,Bassrush(midwest), and the Formation
tour.
          PEACE!

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I'm trying to find a guy named D.J. True.  I think his real name is
Jimmy.  I believe he lives in the Kansas City area.  He gave me his card
on NYE and asked me to call him on Thursday but the number is not in
service.  The number he gave me was an 816 number.  If someone knows him
or has at least heard of him please contact me with how to contact him. 
Thanks in advance.
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finally recovered enough to put some thoughts together on this party...so i
think i'll break it up into sections here:

before::the::party::...
i went with a group of about 10 folx from madison and minneapolis; we all
left madison @ around 6.30 in hopes to get to Revolutions for the presale
tix...we had a spot of car trouble but still made it @ 7.57 (they closed @
8) only to find out they were sold out anyways. eh well.
so we went to pete's place, whom i hadn't met yet, hung out and met new
people and had a salad from McDonald's with some very odd ranch dressing,
just relaxed and chilled a bit...left for the party around 10.30...

at::the::party::...
we got parking right acroos the street in that lot marked "$3.00"; no one
was around takin money so we just pulled in and parked. the line was a lot
shorter than we all expected, and we all got in fairly quickly....so i'd
never been to the Eagles Ballroom before so i didn't know what to expect
here...last time i went to a party @ a concert venue like this it sucked,
but my worries were pretty much erased after about 15 mins. We went up to
the main room first, wading through the huge crowd to get up the
stairs...Chris Sattinger was on...the first time i heard him and i really
liked it, though iwas kinda getting my bearings around the place rather
than dancing right away....by this time the bartenders were already hornery
and the men's bathroom upstairs was flooded, some drunk guy in supertight
levis and cowboy boots and an AC/DC haircut was holdin his plastic cup of
beer and hootin' an hollerin' about shitwater and blah blah have another
drink.
SO anyways, i liked the space, the huge ceiling in the main room and all
the space up there in general helped lessen the fact that there were so
many ppl there. it got to be a problem in the 2 other rooms though, and
navigating the stairs and hall between them was hell too, but it was New
Years, I was expecting a big crowd, so there's no use bitching about it
really. thinned out by 3 anyways....the lights were ok; they don't matter
too much to me so i didn't really notice them unless one hit me right in
the eye or something...the video stuff didn't do much for me though...and
before i knew it it was 12, and all the folx onstage were blowin' off
bottles of champagne and i gotta midnite kiss from my lady jess (everybody
say "awwwwww"), and then Alec Empire was on. didn't like it. he's good at
what he does, for sure, but i couldn't get into it. the comment about the
talent to clearing the floor ratio of hardcore djs rings true i think. i
went downstairs to the blueroom...Now, i really liked the idea of the
christmas lights and the netting, but it was hung too low for the tall
people. tried to dance just didn't work till i got up in front of the
speaker. This music was great first stuff i danced to, good house, but i
don't know who the dj was; wasn't very good at keeping track...
danced for a while and then elbowed my way into the third room where Bob
was spinning a good mellow set, recognized some nice Ninjatune stuff and
the like, sat there and really enjoyed it for a while, then went back
upstairs, still too hard, went back down to the blueroom, danced some
more...
::Upstairs: didn't get into Total Output too much, but p909 was pretty
good, though i didn't stay for too long. think i missed the Kooky Scientist
altogether. Phantom45 came on strong and then kinda died out, and i didn't
like the vinyl butt casing being shaken in my face by the, uh, exotic
dancers...Danced real hard to reese and mr. fingers tho. thoroughly enjoyed
those sets, tho the speakers were poppin' a bit during reese's set...
::Blueroom: really liked the aforementioned house dj but i don't know who
he was. he was on for quite a while though, and after him was this guy
spinning some harder stuff, didn't really like it. spent the rest of my
time in the chillroom or upstairs.
::Chillroom: loved the christmas lights in here...Bob was really good. then
this live act that was a lotta fun to watch cause one guy was doing live
drumming on a drum pad; used animaniacs and 2001 samples too...Wickett
started off his set with Shake Your Rump by the Beastie Boys and then some
nice d n b....
came down here later and someone was spinning some really nice groovy
house. i was too tired to cut my way to the front and dance so i sat and
listened for a good while...

I had a great time (finally! last few parties i been to justSUCKED!) and
thought everything was set up and handled well. Wasn't too expensive,
security wasn't that bad, everyone seemed friendly and in a good mood, got
a lotta "happy new year!"s and hugs, water, candy, etc, there always seemed
to be good music that i liked goin' on in at least one room...only thing i
regret is missing the netmeet, seeing as i've only met a handful of you
folx from the list...

BTW anyone here anything about "Awaken" supposed to happen here in Madison
on the 11th, with Gavin Hardkiss and i think Phantom45...saw a preflyer
awhile ago, but haven't seen/heard anything since...

Hope everyone had a great New Years.

peece!

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>In my opinion The best parties of 1996 were:
>
Sickness/Recovery
420  (Will 422 be able to duplicate?)
Blastoff (Real Enjoyable & 1st Chi-town party)
Generator
Azure (Got it on tape thanks to Shawn)
Family Affair II: Family Reunion  (Best vibe except for those fireworks
Sat. night-                     Sun. morn.)

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On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, dram wrote:

> ::Chillroom: loved the christmas lights in here...Bob was really good. then
> this live act that was a lotta fun to watch cause one guy was doing live


i have to disagree on the issue of Bob...i was doing the netmeet thing 
when al of a sudden i realised he was playing razor's edge 002 side b 
peshay's "deep deadly subs rmx", a wicked stepping jungle  track with this 
annihilating sub bass line, at 33 and pitched down to -8. in other wrds, 
it looks like figured that doing that to a jungle track makes it trip 
hop. it annoyed me.

qhen did wickett play this room? i left at 5 so i prolly missed it after 
then...?

cheers,
dylan

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| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            
| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            
| personal homepage: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet
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okay, i thought i'd write a little note about the party, since i've only
seen one other person share their thoughts on Aeonia so far. 

i got there at about 11 pm with two of my friends, one of whom, Heather,
is also on this list. i know they have to do it, but it never fails to
aggrevate me when the ppl at the door check my backpack for 15 minutes
(ok, an exaggeration, i know, but come on!).  i have quite a few little
pockets and pouches and they had to search every single one.  i wish i
would have just told them that i'm straightedge and maybe that would have
saved time.

anyway, the bass was thumpin' pretty hard when we walked in.  tommy
sunshine was playing, i believe.  we went straight up to the speakers,
right in front of the monitor, and started dancing.  woohoo!  i took
pictures with heather's camera of the lasers and stuff, too.  this party
was definetely off to a better start than last year's nye party here in
st. louieee.

then came the countdown...yeah, 1997!!!!!  kisses and hugs for everyone
near :P  those pyrotechnics were neat-O...
mystic bill, i think, came at 12:01, or whatever.  that was ok.  i'm not a
big mystic bill fan, so i wasn't too impressed.  just waiting for the
queen of all dj's...DRC!  yeah!  she T.O.R.E. I.T. U.P.!
Damn!  she was bustin' out with all kinds of fast, breaky tracks!
i stood right in front of her for about 45 minutes, just bobbing my head,
like the other 1500 or so ppl in the Armory while she played.  it was
great.

i think it was around that time that we ran into Chris Watson (milkshake),
Chris Goddard, and Greta Baxtrom (sp?).  It was very nice meeting you
all...and very refreshing to actually meet ppl at a party from the net --
those netmeets (like the one heather planned) never seem to work out and i
end up standing there like a dweeb. :)
anyway, we got pictures of ourselves and, of course, heather took about a
zillion pictures of DRC. :)  good girl :)

i guess we ended up leavin' at around 3:30...early, i know, but i got sick
(dizzy, shortness of breath, etc...not induced by any illegal substanes,
mind you.  if it had been, i probably could have just stared at the lasers
to sooth myself :P)....ugh.  that sucked -- leaving early, i mean.
however, there was some strange occurance when we were leaving that left
me boggled...all of a sudden these two/three security guards came running
onto the field, shining their flashlights!  they ran up to the dj table
and back and forth through the crowd (damn, was it packed in
places!)...so, does anyone know what happened?  was it some kind of
mini-bust or something?  hullo?  i don't know...:)

i also got to see some friends of mine whom i haven't seen for ages, so
that was nice, as well.  i wish i could've stayed longer, especially since
i missed out on glenn's set.  damn.  oh well, though, i've seen 'em all
b-4.  hope all you crazy cats had a happy new year!  and next time there's
a party in st. louieee, those of us who want to have a netmeet must be
more CLEAR as to the location and more PROMPT in meeting so we can see
each other's smiling faces!!! 8-D  (heather, that was NOT direted to you,
dear)...

Have a nice year!

take care and...

*take to the sky*
blanketgirl


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>On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, dram wrote:
>
>> ::Chillroom: loved the christmas lights in here...Bob was really good. then
>> this live act that was a lotta fun to watch cause one guy was doing live
>
>
>i have to disagree on the issue of Bob...i was doing the netmeet thing
>when al of a sudden i realised he was playing razor's edge 002 side b
>peshay's "deep deadly subs rmx", a wicked stepping jungle  track with this
>annihilating sub bass line, at 33 and pitched down to -8. in other wrds,
>it looks like figured that doing that to a jungle track makes it trip
>hop. it annoyed me.

I dunno. i love messin' around with the speed on all sortsa music, just
listening to it in as many ways as i can. sometimes i get nothin' out of
it, sometimes i'm pleasantly surprised...I'm not familiar with that
specific track mentioned, but on Mo'wax's Headz2 they've got 2 versions of
Peshay's "the real thing"; a 90bpm version on part a and the original
version on part b. both sound real good and,despite bein' the same song,
distinct from each other...So it looks like the folx at Mo'wax, and maybe
even Peshay himself, were thinkin' in the same vein as Bob. i don't think
any of them were trying to make anything into anything else (i.e. jungle
into triphop, or vice versa), but maybe trying to transcend all of the
labels and categories and subsub genres etc etc by doing a little tweakin
and messing around...i also think it's kinda unfair to dismiss a dj's whole
set simply because he seems a little off on one song...but this is just my
humble opinion. heh.
>
>qhen did wickett play this room? i left at 5 so i prolly missed it after
>then...?

i think it might have been then or a little before. i had no watch and
didn't really keep track of time anyways...he spun some good stuff, but the
lights near the front kept sputterin' on and off so he was in the dark for
a little while...didn't really affect much though, and i really liked what
i was hearin'.

ok.


peece...

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This is in response to a post I saw earlier about somebody asking what
is going on in the clubs around Milwaukee..


My recomendations::::
Monday - Matisse - DZak on the wheels spinning all sortsof styles...
Tuesday - Metropolis - Disco Party
Wednesday - Matisse - Last time I was there DZAk and BRain were cuttin it up.
Thrusday - Metropolis or Mad Planet..  Metropolis usually plays really popular commercial club tracks...  MAd Planet has a disco party every other thursday.. And
there regular DJ's seem to love goth and Industrial and tracks you never
hear at any of the other clubs in town...
Friday - New Wave Party At Metropolis
Saturday - Metropolis is fun, so Is Matisse.. 
Sunday ---  get some sleep :) to get ready for next week or go to Matisse.

This is all if you're over 21, have a fake, or look so fabulous they just
let you in. :)

If you're under 21, Metropolis has parties on Wednesday and Sunday...  (Pretty
boring.... The DJ spinds pretty lousy tracks imho...)  Mad Planet has an
underage dance party on Saturdays...  (Big Goth crowd there....  don't expect
to hear any techno or house or breaks or anything of that sort)

If you're into the Fabolous crowd Check out 219 on Fridays and La Cage on Saturdays...

There are other clubs throwing parties, but these are the places I usually go to ...

If you want any more info on music played, addresses, Phone #'s, other clubs
nbot listed, email me...

peace and love


tony

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christ, i can't get any messages i sent to go to the list. i just
resubscribed & i'm trying to remail this again...

> damn! l.a. is fucked up! i just read jeff gage's post. i might be
> going there in march, only because the plane ticket is free, gotta
> remember to be careful!
> 
> anyway about the new yr & shit,
> 
> my resolution is boring: better grades. cause this past semester was
> disatrous.
> 
> the best parties of 96 (not in order):
> 
> natural:
> it was freezing cold, muddy, & wet, i didn't have a coat or tent, my
> clothes & stuff were in someone's car that left early the 1st nite
> without telling me, so things could have been bad but it was very
> good. the music was incredible, there were very nice people & lotsa 
> free stuff ;D crazy/weird/cool shit went on. nice lighting in the tent
> that was farther away from the entrance, too bad the metal frame on it
> broke from the weight of rain. =[
> 
> 420:
> this party had the BEST space i have ever been to + the best lighting,
> lasers, etc. the space was this warehouse that was just ridiculously
> large. the ceilings were probably 8 stories high in the main room. 
> there was things like a crane & a traincar + stuff all in this
> building. the main room had a big disco ball with green lasers hitting
> it, all kinds of other lighting (i don't know the technical details),
> this metal cube thing around the djs that was covered in that gauze
> stuff that was flourescent & had black lites & lasers pointing at
> it. more free things too. bad stuff: the only water besides the $2 for
> like 12oz bottled water (& who can afford that?) was in tanks in 
> plastic sinks, that ran out at about 1am, i collected water bottles 
> lying on the floor + poured then all together & drank it, but i was 
> still so dehydrated, + the so-called "afterhrs" party was held in the 
> same space. =[ (but in the small jungle room)
> 
> io3:
> muddy again but not cold :] had the only netmeet i've ever remembered
> about + so i made it there--there was GOOD food + i met a lot of
> netpeople. this party had <<<4>>> stages, very nice. but 1 had all
> this gravel in front of it: not good for dancing. they had a schedule
> of the lineup!!! i like dj schedules. even though they couldn't have
> everybody on exactly when they were supposed to be that was all
> right. there were also a lot of really nice friendly people here +
> free stuff again. i got to go swimming, there was a pool! but no
> diving board. =[ the cops there were really weird. they searched the
> car but no people + must have asked us 15 times "do you have any
> marijuana? just hand it over + you won't get in trouble." they never
> said anything about other drugs. those cops must have confiscated
> buttloads of pot, i know they got so fucked up on it! but the
> strangest thing was the cop hiding in the woods & watching people, 
> beside the stage with gravel. i could see him because the light
> reflected off his badge.
> 
> and i want to throw out <<<MAD MAD PROPS>>> & love to the ele mental 
> cru (hi ed!) for always good parties with huge phat vibes. i can't 
> really single out any of them because all of them are great, + i 
> wanted to say how i liked the above parties too.
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> i'm going to post a little review of aeonia in while when i have more
> time.
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yippee, my messages are getting thru now!

i was just playing taipei on the computer (it's like mahjongg)--highly
addictive--and when you win, you get a fortune that is usually like
one from a fortune cookie, but the one is got this time was:

"bouncy ball is the source of all goodness and light"

this is true, very funny. maybe one of those things that makes sense
in chinese but not english. scott, maybe you can ask amber if she
knows if that makes sense in chinese. (she's our friend who went to
china & is there right now)

anyway, on with the review of aeonia. warning for the overly anal-
retentive: this is a long review! so delete it now if you don't
want to read it (well duh).

my friend chris, who's on pb-cle-raves, came here from youngstown,
ohio at about 1 pm, then we went to akron, got lost, got unlost, +
picked up my friend shelly. then we went to greenfield, indiana &
got the other chris, who's on mw-raves. we finally got to st. louis at
about 10:30 pm CST. it's a good thing that's another time zone.       
								      
this place was kind of hard to find. we walked around outside for like
10 min trying to find the bldg & entrance. the people at the door were
searching everybody. i didn't have anything illegal but when they 
searched me, they threw away (ohio) chris's effidrin (is that spelled
right?) which was in my backpack. but he says it's legal so i don't
know why they would throw it away. they tried to throw away my water
bottle but somehow i talked them into letting me keep it. i think
they were confiscating candy too because there was a lot of it lying
on the floor next to them but they didn't see the blowpops in my
backpack. after this absurd searching-fiasco, we found out the price
was $25. ouch. i thought i had seen a flyer once that said it was $9,
or is that my imagination?

we finally got inside, it was pretty cold in there. the space was
fairly nice, really big. the infoline said it's an armory, but it's
apparently been converted into something else. i didn't like how there
was carpet all over the 1st room floor. it's nice to sit on in the
back, but no fun to dance on. i fell once! (oops!...so embarassing!)
:] my feet always catch on it & it messes up my dancing. the 2nd room
was a "batting cage room" + it was very small. but most of the time
there weren't that many people in there anyway. tile floor & seating
by the wall. :] the 3rd room was upstairs & it had a bar. i saw
equipment set up but nobody was playing or making music when i was in 
it. we were told it was 21 + up there but nobody checked my ID. (ohio)
chris has a wheelchair & couldn't walk up the steps, although we 
managed to get him up the stairs outside. much thanks to the people 
that helped us if you're on here. but, if you didn't see the 3rd room,
you didn't miss anything as far as i know except the bar & most of you
don't like alcohol anyway right? ;>

in rooms 1 + 2 the sound was SO loud! (indiana) chris told me t3 was 
even louder. until now i had never needed earplugs at a party. i 
should bring some next time just in case. i think if they would have 
turned down the treble levels some the sound would have probably been 
ok.

i can't say too much about the lighting or most of the DJs because i 
wasn't feeling well + my eyes were hurting a lot & sensitive to bright
lights (prob. since they got scratched. driving at nite sucked!), so i
was sitting down a lot resting & trying to avoid strobes & lasers. but
they got better periodically. right now i can only use this computer 
since i've got the screen brightness way low. i had to go to the eye 
dr. yesterday for this & she had to put drops in my eyes to dilate my 
pupils, so she was explaining what it means when your pupils are 
dilated & i had to try hard not to laugh because of course i already 
know what that means!

but i can say something about 1 DJ, DRC (who i wanted to see most, for
the 1st time), she kicked everybody's ass! =] that was the only time i
could find enough energy to seriously dance. her set seemed a lot
different from her mixtapes (well i have 4 of them), which have lots 
of samples & more tricks, but it was still very good. i took her 
picture a couple times too. (woo woo!) (heather, e-mail me & we can 
trade those pictures when they are developed). blender, what you said 
about DRC is very true! ;D when she was done, she was sitting on the 
side of the stage + i told her i liked her set & she shook my hand & 
said thanks. (((promoters: book DRC...book DRC...book DRC...she is 
god))) <--subliminal message, haha!

a little bit later i went upstairs & fell asleep then went downstairs
to the bathroom (it was really icky =[ by then) but forgot my
backpack. when i went back up, somebody guarding the stairs said the
door was locked & the room was closed but go to the other stairs. so i
did + i told the woman guarding THOSE stairs that my backpack was up 
there & i HAD to get it back & nobody had told me before i left that i
couldn't go back in. she wasn't going to let me up & said: are any of 
your friends up there? i thought: this is retarded, + was freaking out
& said: no. she said: ok hurry up + go get it. so i ran up there & got
it. but the room didn't lok closed to me, there were still just as
many people up there just sitting around. i'm pissed off at whoever
was in charge of closing that room.

by that time we were all tired & freezing & ready to leave but we 
hadn't found paul (also on mw-raves) yet whose place we were 
supposed to stay at. i hadn't even met him before but miraculously 
i somehow found him. then soon we left. none of us went to the 
afterhrs party, did anybody go? how was it? was there really 
"champagne & brunch" or whatever? was the champagne any good? 
i want to know what i missed & if it was worth missing free champagne 
so i could sleep. that quazar flyer for it was funny, it brings back 
fond memories of quisp! *tear, sigh* :] see the kid with 4 eyes on the
flyer? haha. what is "space trivia #1"? i couldn't find it on the
back. so we went to paul's, you live in a really cool place paul! (it
looks like it used to be a factory; it has those modular 
factory-bathrooms) who is your friend the girl who was with you? we 
weren't introduced + i forgot to ask.

after we woke up we left + went to waffle house! i'd never been to 1 
before. the food was very good, yum yum! but me & (indiana) chris 
found some weird looking stuff on the menu. like you could get some 
pretty strange stuff on your hashbrowns. it said 
"get them SCATTERED and: 
SMOTHERED with ONIONS
MELTED with CHEESE
TOPPED with CHILI
CHUNKED with HAM
DICED with TOMATOES
or get them SCATTERED, SMOTHERED, MELTED. TOPPED, CHUNKED, and DICED"

ok, onions & cheese on hashbrowns sounds good, but ham is 
questionable, tomatoes is kind of weird, & chili is just plain gross 
(and that combination is exponentially bad!). don't get the chili if 
you want to leave waffle house alive! just kidding. i have no idea 
what the chili is actually like, it just sounds pretty sick. speaking 
of chili, definitely don't eat it at wendy's (but do eat their other 
food; much better than mcdonald's, etc.), i used to work at 1 + i know
where the meat in it has been. write me back if you really want to 
know.

then we left waffle house at like 4 pm, then drove & drove + dropped 
off chris in greenfield, indiana; shelly in akron, ohio; & i finally 
got home at 3 thurs morning. =d
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i went to that web page + couldn't play the music on it since this
computer i'm on right now doesn't have an audio application. but i
definitely think they should have somebody who actually knew something
about the music write the descriptions of it, they're REALLY bad!
especially like the 1 describing techno: 120 bpm? ooh that's SO FAST,
it's scary! i've never HEARD music that fast before! (please note 
sarcasm)

this is also a test message because i resubscribed since my messages
weren't going to the list, then 2 messages were getting sent at once
so i unsubscribed twice & resubscribed again once. haha. this is very
complicated. 
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>annihilating sub bass line, at 33 and pitched down to -8. in other wrds, 
>it looks like figured that doing that to a jungle track makes it trip 
>hop. it annoyed me.

if i'm not mistaken, the whole breakbeat(precursor to jungle) thing got some
help from sped up hip hop records. isn't part of being a dj taking someone
else's sound and fucking it up to make something new?

-kc


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kc said-->
>if i'm not mistaken, the whole breakbeat(precursor to jungle) thing got some
>help from sped up hip hop records. isn't part of being a dj taking someone
>else's sound and fucking it up to make something new?
>

exactly exactly exactly. if it wasn't for the experimentalists, djs  would
just be biologic radio stations, playback playback with no diversified or
original spin on the music.



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wanna do something on saturday?

mail me back... theres somethin goin on at the place where all the star
children had their thursday parties... yall know what im talking about!  :P  if
you need directions, mail me.  party starts around 10 pm

djs that ive heard their names dropped include:

kee
nee high
reflex
phonix

and i cant remember the rest.  but anyhow, get back to me before tomorrow. 
i'll check my mail a couple times... or you can call me at 221.0072.  thanx :D 
latah!

jon/dica

np:  2pac tribute on bet


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On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, AJIA TOWN wrote:

> to sooth myself :P)....ugh.  that sucked -- leaving early, i mean.
> however, there was some strange occurance when we were leaving that left
> me boggled...all of a sudden these two/three security guards came running
> onto the field, shining their flashlights!  they ran up to the dj table
> and back and forth through the crowd (damn, was it packed in
> places!)...so, does anyone know what happened?  was it some kind of
> mini-bust or something?  hullo?  i don't know...:)

i don't know exactly which incident you are referring to here because two 
things happened around 4pm.  
#1  there was a mini-e bust, and i guess someone was taking away.  
security was very tight..
#2  a white blonde raver boy fell to the floor, turned green (quite 
literally) and proceeded to stare blankly and drool.  three security 
guards came quickly to the rescue, but it took them a long time to make 
him look somewhat human.


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Oh, forgot one more thing, and a bit strange:

Did Richie Hawtin ever spin in the main room? Darned rumors.

Cheers!
Amene
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> my friend chris, who's on pb-cle-raves, came here from youngstown,

i'm on mw too!

> searched me, they threw away (ohio) chris's effidrin (is 

bastards! :)

 i think
> they were confiscating candy too because there was a lot of it lying
> on the floor next to them but they didn't see the blowpops in my
> backpack.

they saw my jolly ranchers and let me keep em.....

> was carpet all over the 1st room floor. it's nice to sit on in the
> back, but no fun to dance on. i fell once! (oops!...so embarassing!)

carpet is a bitch and a half to push on!

-peace and lotsa love, oh yeah, UR too,
 Chris


http://www.imperium.net/~djbuff

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wow.

I know it's cliche, but the best way for me to sum up this party and the
events surrounding it is "it was the best of times, it was the worst of
times."

Let me just start at the beginning:

Megan came up from Iowa city and arrived here at around 4:30... By the
time we got across town to pick john/dove up, it was 5:30.  SO we had a
pretty uneventful trip to milwaukee.... Listened to some good CDs, and
found a credit card which we fantasized about using, but decided against
it. That's about it.

So we come into milwaukee... We go directly to the space and my first
thought was "oh my hell! that's a big space!"  The eagles auditorium, it
was called.  I was pretty entertained by the big neon signs that said "the
rave" on them.   So we go and get in a reasonably short ticket line.  I
look over and see some guy with a big ol' box of kool-aid packets. So I
say to megan "hey, there's a guy over there handing out kool-aid packets!"
and she looks over and says "oh my god!!!! that's mikeyD!!"  So that's how
I managed to meet Mikey for the first time... 

By the way, the urban(a) techno collective has the MOST innovative flyers
ever. it's an actual kool-aid packet with a sticker on the back which has
the lineup. good job guys! I'm gona try my damnedest to get out for that
party...

So we get into the space, and wander around for a while, looking for jonG
and others.  We ran into a few people and saw all the rooms. I'll start
with the smallest one:

Room #3 (aka the mw-raves room):
this was a nice little room with HELLA xmas lights... there were chairs
and tables to sit on, but it was extremely crowded. I'll talk about the
net-meet later.

Room #2:
a pretty big space- about as big as a typical minneapolis party maybe. I
didn't spend much time in there though.  They had army netting and blue
lights all over the place.

Room #1 (aka the MONSTER fucking ballroom)
wow. let me restate that- WOW!!!  A very big high-cieling ballroom. Big
ol' pillars around the sides and stuff. A balcony. Huge projection
screens. Emulators. Lasers. speaker stacks taller than 3 people. vendors
selling tapes and tee-shirts. a stage where all the DJS and stuff were.
I just wish I could've got into the balcony.

music:
we came in as Chris Sattinger started his live set. Chris, as usual, was
awesome. Next was the freak. Some people call him alec empire.
BOOMBOOMBOOM***SCREECH!!!!***BOOMSCREAMBOOM!!!!****@@#@#$%$%!!!  that's
how I'd describe it. I really regret now that I didn't stick around to
hear his set.  Because it was amazing shit but in the state of mind that I
was in, I wouldn't have stayed sane if I was in that room.
TOTAL FUCKING OUTPUT: definitely the high point of the night. I came up
and heard the last 20 seconds or so of alec's set, then there was that
crazy-ass MC shouting and total output came on. I FUCKING WENT BERZERK. I
don't know what to say- it was very cool.
Prototype 909: regrettably, I completely missed them. oh well. I was
net-meeting at the time.
Fred Gianelli/kooky scientist: I caught the last 10 minutes or so of his
set. it didn't do much for me. 
Phantom 45: this must've been my seventh time seeing mr. 45. I like his
sets but I wish I could've seen a different jungle DJ instead. To be
precise, I wish I wouldn't have missed Danny the WIldchild _again_!!!
I should also mention that this is when things started getting weird on
me. my night was well, should we say, "enhanced", and I dont know why but
things started getting strange for me.  from here on, the night was pretty
much a blur, so my reviews may or may not be meaningful.
Reese:  I can remeber a few of the tracks he played, and they all seemed
really cool.  I think I remember really enjoying him.
Bernard Badie: I don't think I was too impressed. house.
Mr. Fingers:Closed the night in style. I remember his first track really
got me going, but i dunno about the rest of them- i cant remember too
clearly.

The netmeet: wow. probably about as many netters as Randy's Net.Party!  I
met a _lot_ of cool new people.  Megan will probably have the full list,
but people I was especially excited to meet were Michael/Allroy, MikeyD,
and Ben from NYC and vrave.  thanks everyone! major amazing vibes from you
all!

so, that's about it.  now for the bad part.

we get all our stuff together and head out for megan's car. when we get
right past the security, megan goes for her keys. but uh-oh... they're not
there! we figure they were stolen, because megan's pretty sure she had
them in a safe place where they wouldn't get lost.  so begins our descent
into roadtrip hell.

So I try to get back into the space, to go look for megan's keys.
Security stops me. I explain to security that we lost keys. Security won't
budge- I cant get back in. Then security notices my pink checkered
wristband (I was on the guest list, apparently that merits special
treatment...)  and lets me in. So we were able to get in and out, but only
because Megan and I had the pink wristbands. The point i'm trying to make
is that if we wouldn't have had those comp bracelets, we wouldn've been
screwed!  I suppose the guard was just sick of dealing with cracked-out
kids by 7:30 or whatever time it was... just a minor problem.

As it turned out, we were screwed anyway.  I went to the box office and
talked to someone I think was kurt (was it you??? i introduced myself but
I was a little out-of-sorts and dont remember if you said you were kurt or
not...)  but nobody had turned in keys. So megan and I went and checked
everywhere and didn't find them.

Luckily our personal saviors were on hand- Jason Welch and his friend
Will.  They drove us to a hotel.  And we descend closer to hell.

avoid the Howard Johnson on W. Leyton by the airport like the plague. they
hate ravers!

(keep in mind that most of us had come down very hard from our enhanced
nights, and at least I had been 24 hours without sleep.)

I walk into the hotel lobby to find a sleeping receptionist. after a good
5 minutes of trying to wake her up, I get a response. I had just barely
enough cash to cover a room for us. we get our key, and she makes us park
out front and walk to the room, which is pretty far away. 

We get to the room, and immediately crash. as soon as I fall asleep, a
call comes in: I had apparently payed $5 too little for the room and I
needed to come pay for the rest.  so I did that. and went back to sleep.

Now, john/dove is trying to get a hold of Jon/Earache (too many johns!)
who we were supposed to give a ride home. Jon/Ear was at the afterhours
spinning, and had john/dove's cellphone so we could reach him...
confusing, ain't it??? So john dials the number, which was a 612 area code
number, and gets a hold of earache.  about 30 seconds later, the hotel
bitch is back at her tricks.  she wakes us all from a sound sleep because
I need to come down and pay the $6 for the phone bill we had just made.
hello? since when do hotel employees have the right to wake up their
customers to make them pay a phone bill? I asked her if we could just pay
it when we checked out, and she got quite angry.  "no! bill must be payed
now!"  And so I was marched down to the lobby again to pay off a phone
bill. she then made me put down a deposit in case we made more calls. And
she made _another_ photocopy of my drivers license (she had already made
2) whatever. So I go back to the room and try to sleep. it just isn't
working. So jason and I went and jason ate (i was feeling sick and didn't
attemt to eat) and talked about diverse topics.

Somewhere along the line they disconnected our phone service.  Then they
tried to tell us the phone didn't work! but we just used it! arrgh....  a
little later, someone had to go back down to the front desk for some
reason again. I cant remember why. 

Earache shows up with Chris Sattinger, and returns john/dove's phone. Then
earache and Chris leave... 

finally I got a few short hours of sleep.  When I woke up i was still
cracked out from the night before. We watched "the jerk" starring steve
martin on TV. That was a very surreal time for me.  

Jason and Will had to leave- will needed to be back to Omaha. 

Finally we get the new employees who were on to give us a different room
with phone service.  Now it's just john, megan and I. We call the
milwaukee police and try to find out if the car was towed. they were
assholes. we call AAA to see about locksmiths. they were assholes. we
called Megan's family. they were wonderful and very helpful.

To make a very very long story a little shorter, we finally got out of the
HoJo from hell, and got a locksmith to make us a new key to the car.

I didn't find milwaukee people to be very friendly.  The kids at the party
were all wonderful! But the general population of milwaukee seemed to
dislike us.  The _only_ friendly non-raver we dealt with was the
locksmith.

Major thanks are due to some people:
Thanks to MikeyD for the pacifier and for being a cool guy!
thanks to Megan Bygness for driving us and being a really wonderful friend
thanks to Kurt and the drop bass crew for one of the best parties ever!
thanks to Will for driving us to the HoJo from hell and being cool.
thanks to Jason Welch especially for being there when I was upset and
coming down... I would've been much worse off if it wasn't for you.
and thanks to everyone else out there that made my new years great!

I guess I'm done. i'd be surprised if many people stuck around to read
this whole post. thanks if you did!

chrisE!

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Subject: DBN NYE/The Event: revued (really long) 
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The Short Revue:

Best party of '96. Props -> DBN, Mushgroove, Incredibeets, Placebo, UPS :)

The Long Version (in my aimlessly meandering style):

Advance apologies 2 the sfraves folk who don't care... I thought some of u might be 
interested. I know u'all get a ton o mail, 'cause I'm on the list. Get this mw-raves; 
the sfraves list brings in twice as much e-mail as the mw-raves list and it's just Bay 
area! ;) I can't wait 2 get out there, tho I will miss u mw-ravers tons!

Before I start, does anyone know what was happenning with the passed out (I assume) 
person by the right speakers (facing the djs, in the main room)? I was kinda concerned 
about this person, who was laying on the floor (with friends trying 2 care 4 her/him) 
for about a half hour until the paramedics showed up. Maybe the DBN krew know 
something? Just curious...

Another thing, does anyone out there know how 2 contact this girl who goes by "jewel" 
(it's not her real name), from Milwaukee? I met her near the end of the evening and she 
is supra-kewl, but we got disconnected and she left before we could do the number 
thing. Any help would be wonderful and greatly appreciated. Please, reply private, TIA.

Okay, hope I don't ramble 2 much, if so jus' click <delete> :) So, here goes...

Rode up 2 'Waukee with Randy, it was a nice ride. Thanks Randy! :) Got 2 the space 
around 10:00p or so. Bumped into MikeyD at the entrance passing out flyers 4 RELEASE 
(UTC). Kewl, "kickin' kiwi-lime" Kool-Aid packet stickered flyer! :) Then bumped into 
Marc on the way up the stairs. Hi!

Wait a minute... I didn't get searched, what? I always have a slight concern about 
weapons and stuff when there's no search, but there is always a yang 4 the yin (it's 
really nice jus' walkin into a party) and I did not notice any violence/troubles all 
night long. There was some guy walking around clenching his fists, don't think that 
counts as violence, tho there was some bad vibes at times. :) I sure am glad I wasn't 
at that mega-rave in L.A. (sorry, Gage).

I had a wonderful time. I loved it. Met a buncha nice ppl (sound familiar?) and saw a 
buncha others, I can never get enough of! ;) A little too much hardcore 4 most people, 
I think. Tho, I totally dug it. Randy was unable 2 protect his soul from the evil 
hardcore and ended up spiritually depleted around 3:00a. Randy, I sure hope Satan 
has returned your soul unscathed. :) If u change your mind about the big parties and u 
decide 2 start going again, u might consider investing in a soul protection cloak. I 
think they run about 3000 gold pieces at the magic shop. :)

I, too, thought the emmcee shoulda "shut the fuck up" half of the time he was talking. 
The other half of the time, I was laughing my ass off at what I thought he was saying. 
;)

The loudest dam midnite countdown I have ever heard! Does the DBN krew have a final 
head count? My guess is 5,000 ppl. Randy and I were standing around at the countdown 
and just after midnite, saw J-Sun (who we were half-assed looking 4 since we got 
there). We ran over...big hugs! Shit, J-Sun, the 2 of us and bear hugs are a lethal 
combination! *crack* :)

Alec Empire: as I expected, my brain totally exploded! It was extremely difficult 
trying 2 gather up all of the pieces and super-glueing them back into my head... I 
totally loved his set! Yeah, it was hard as hell and u really couldn't dance 2 it, but 
it was a great trip. Just stood there 4 a while holding my white cellophane NYE hat on 
my head and jumping up and down like a maniac with J-Sun (Randy was running 4 cover, I 
think). ;) Later in his set he did some really kewl stuff with some really spatial 
droning audio. That was my favorite part. :)

Total Output: I really liked the music. BUT, the girl (singing?) was sending scary 
chills down my spine. I ended up having nitemares of her screaming all of this 
fucked-up shit at me... Eeeks! :o

P909: I ended up entering another dimension during their set. I remember hearing some 
nice stuff going on, but 4 some reason. It really didn't grab me. Which is wierd 'cause 
I love their studio work. Might have just been that time of the evening 4 me. ;)

Net Meet: Ooops. Was there supposed 2 be a net meet? ;) Sorry I missed out, It would 
have been nice 2 meet those of u I haven't met yet.

Phantom 45: Jungle has a small place in my heart and the man like Brian always 
reinforces it. Tho, I didn't catch alot of the set, what I heard was quite nice.

Around 3:00a or so, I was trying 2 find Amy and Scott 2 juggle my ride home. I don't 
get it with u 2... There is somewhere another dimension which these 2 go into, when 
they're at parties. I don't know where it is, but is certainly not within the realm of 
my perception. :|

4:40a, in the dark and scary room, stopped by with MikeyD looking 4 Amy. Wait, I know 
this song. Shit, it's Delta9! At 4:40a? Eh? "What kinda krazy party is this? Putting 
Delta9 at 4:40a?" That was pretty wild. Jumped aronud 4 a little while, didn't stay for 
the whole set. Had had enough hardcore 4 the night, but I love Dave's stuff and the 
system in that 2nd room wasn't doing it justice. So...

I looked 4 Amy until like 5:00a when I gave up and decided 2 leave with Randy and give 
J-Sun directions 2 my place 4 his krew and Amy's krew 2 crash. At that very moment 
(writing directions 4 J-Sun), the girl shows up and says "r u leaving?". I was soo 
happy 2 see her my head almost exploded (again) and I got 2 stay! :)

The Christmas Light room was very nice. At one point, I walked by the room and there 
was some booty house playing and everybody was crammed in there together squirming and 
dancing. I thought it looked like something from the remake of "The Thing", like all of 
these ppl had been morphed together. Wooo, scary dance-orgy stuff! I wanted 2 join 
in... but I ain't got the guts. ;)

I'm not sure how I feel about the strippy girls dancing on the stage. On one hand I 
thought it was kinda crude and such (especially near the end of the night when they 
were getting all nasty). On the other hand, I got a chance 2 talk a little with a few 
of them and they were really nice and all, so I don't know? There were times when a 
buncha guys were standing in front of them, just like drooling and such. That was 
pretty sad...

I think I feel the same confused yin/yang way about the video from Demon Puppet. The 
sex and bondage and such is okay (especially during the hardcore) 4 a while, but what 
about some nice fractals, colored-oil, computer animation types of stuff? After all, 
we've got live flesh on stage (smells better than video, tho the video did look better 
than the girls, at times). :)

Went up 2 the bar and this girl asks me if I have fifty cents... I just started 
laughing, 'cause I didn't think I had any money at all (ended up with $2 in quarters in 
my pocket). I couldn't stop laughing. I finally settled down and explained that I was 
pretty broke and she came across her cash and offered 2 buy me a drink. :) This turns 
out 2 be the girl like "jewel". We went and sat down and talked 4 a bit and then danced 
for a while. What a sweetheart! I love meeting nice ppl! :) I went adventuring for a 
bit alone, went downstairs, came back up and no more "jewel". Oh well, we'll see what 
fate has in store... I am sure we'll connect again, someday. :)

BTW, I was previously pretty much against alcohol at parties, but I had 2 drinks NYE 
and really enjoyed 'em. As others on the list have said, it's all good, moderation is 
the key. Anyway, I still think it's a problem 'cause of laws which can close down a 
party with alcohol.

The space was great, like others have said. I agree that it would be nice 2 see people 
use trashcans 4 a change. AND alla those flyers ain't cheap, so why are there always so 
many that end up trashed on the floor? I must again reflect on the yin and yang here; 
It sure is fun kicking all of that trash around in the morning before the party ends. 
:)

Danced mostly on the main floor until around 9:15a or so. I think it was Bernard Badies 
or Reese (or both) who kept me moving. Nice, innovative house. I would try to stop 
dancing, but it jus' wouldn't work. It's wierd, but I think I am starting to appreciate 
house music (scary). :) What a bash! ;)
Kickin' trash. :)

Never really noticed the lights 'cept the ones beaming right into your face at the 
front of the stage. ouch. Props 2 The People's Republic of China 4 kewl purple 
sunglasses! :)

Went 2 breakfast at McD's w/ Amy and krew. Amy, thanks 4 the ride back! :) Saw some 
cops hassling some ravers outside, who just came from the (tiny room) afterhours. I 
guess they looked like ravers... u know. The cops intended on shutting down the 
afterhours, I guess...

MikeyD offered me a backup ride. Thanks 4 looking out 4 me... :)

Hope all of u enjoyed a wonderful, peaceful and loving holiday season! :)

/* plur */
  matter

I am smiling, because I don't understand myself. :)
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan  3 18:57:10 1997
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Alright, I hadn't planned on going, but thanks to a fellow friend and 
mw-raver, joff, i found myself heading to Milwaulkee:) 
The 5 hour drive seemed to fly by, but i didn't get a wink of shut eye, 
so i was feelin' it around 3 or so.
the place was cool, very big, the fresh air was nice while you were 
daqncing your ass off.

got there for the end of Danny's set, i liked it a lot, just wished i 
heard it all.

ALEC EMPIRE... i fuckin' loved his set with all my little dancing hearts 
content! he mixed such varied tracks and it was just so goooood. I love 
dancing to shit like that, cause it just clears the floor and yoiu have 
all the room left in the worlkd to dance:)

I didn't really have a lot of energy after that set to truly appreciate 
the rest of the dj's which upset me, but i loved the 10 minutes of 
phantom 45 set that i caught=)

I didn't really mind the amount of ppl there, i guess i just expected it, 
and it wasn't any worse then other parties i thought imho.
(good crowd control manuver ability, i guess=)

the second room was amazing i thought, i really enjoyed richie wels set, 
you know it was good if i took the time to actually figure out who it was:)
hardcore was avbout the only thing that could get me dancing, besides jungle.

it's funny how when i'm really tired, and my body is an aching, the 
harder shit seems to keep my movin'!

The afterhours sucked, and i missed alot of the last dj's because i ran 
to the car to catch some sleep.

My friend candi and i chilled out in the red room for a while just 
sitting with our backs againstt the wall by the exit door, we recierved 
sooooo many smiles and happy faces, it was unbelievable.. what a great 
vibe and so many wonderful people.
 
missed the net meet, i was probably in the room at the time, but i just 
didn't have enough energy to get up and find people, hmmm. lazy me, sorry=)

overall, good party, props to all involved, 
make 97 even better

pLuR,

Kyle

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too hard for just three, sorry...

in no particular order...

Azure
420
Further
Live (transcendace)
Dose 4-city anniv. (toronto)
Carbon
Generator
Azure
Sickness
Bassrush 3 (balt)
Subcoordinate Reactor (toledo, anyone go to this?)
Blastoff


i'm sure i forgot a bunch too, but oh well...


--jeff/stuff (that guy)



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On Fri, 3 Jan 1997 kctopitz@students.wisc.edu wrote:

> >annihilating sub bass line, at 33 and pitched down to -8. in other wrds, 
> >it looks like figured that doing that to a jungle track makes it trip 
> >hop. it annoyed me.
> 
> if i'm not mistaken, the whole breakbeat(precursor to jungle) thing got some
> help from sped up hip hop records. isn't part of being a dj taking someone
> else's sound and fucking it up to make something new?
> 

alright. what if someone took gabber and put it at 33 -8 and mixed it 
into deep house. or stayingh within the context of breakbeat music, what 
if somoene mixed in a hip hop track at 45 +8 into jungle? how would 
you take that? there's manupulation and then there's being rediculous. 

also, the reason i take issue with this method that bob used is because i 
have heard slo breaks djs do the same but at +8 and use it as funky 
breaks shit. it's an insulkt to see jungle used in this way and be 
accepted but then put at normal speed and dissed. 

not to mention bob wasted one hell of a wicked bassline;) it went into 
oblivion when pitched down that far.

BUT as usual it's all a matter of opinion.

cheers,
dylan

 
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*whew* what a crazy nite...i'll try to give you the *short* version of my nite.

arrive at the party 9:15ish, earlier than we expected, leaving at 2pm our
time...but it didn't take as long as we thought it would to get
there...good thing tho, we wanted to get there early so we'd be there for
midnite (last year i spent midnite in line).

the line moved nicely, chicago promoters ought to learn something from DBN
on this one.  inside in about 15 minutes, no search whatsoever (the way it
should be).

everyone has pretty much covered the setup.  in the end, the space was not
big enough for all the people...but where did all those people come from???
there must have been *no one* at the chicago party...*way* too crowded,
anyways...

the acoustics/sound in the main room was just horrible.  it sounded all
cavernous and there was way too much high end the entire nite.  but, what
are ya gonna do...

so awhile after we get there danny the wildchild layed down a NICE set in
the main room.  one of the only 2 sets of the nite i thoroughly enjoyed.  i
forget the exact order after that..we were walking around a lot....but i
thought alec empire SUCKED and should NOT have played at midnite.  he was
just a big headache IMHO.  total output was alright.  the mc was cool and i
had to laugh when i saw kids in exploited jackets and combat boots slamming
in front of the stage.  PUNK RAWK.  :P  due to the fact that we had been up
since 10am we were getting mighty tired and bored of the music and fell
asleep for a lot of p909 and fred gianelli.  oh well.  phantom 45 was okay
but seemed to lack something.  reese was okay, if a bit hard...but BERNARD
BADIE WAS THE FUCKING BOMB.  the best set of the evening, hands
down...larry heard was okay too, and the wamdue kids sucked.  my short
music review :)

a word about the drug situation.  it was new year's eve, WHERE WAS ALL THE
E?  sorry if this sounds like the giggly words of a 13 year old candy
raver, but the truth is-most people WANT TO ROLL on NEW YEAR'S EVE.  if i
was a drug dealer i would structure the rest of my year around this single
evening.  just the way i see it.  i think it contributed to an overall lack
of energy at the party...just because the party was so long and everyone
got there so early...coupled with the fact that many people were looking
forward to rolling and were bummed over the fact they could not score any
e.

i accidently stumbled onto the net.meet (i never seem to make them..."are
*you* at a *net.meet*?!?" -keight) and met a lot of really cool
folks...*Hi* to y'all.  finally got to meet some people i kept missing at
parties as well....so that was cool...

so, to sum up...a lot of people...mostly boring music, not enough e, met
some cool netters.  nice evening i suppose...just one thing to ask
wisconsinites...how come your restaraunts don't have margarine?!?  the
wendy's in racine (where we stayed) was on the BUTTER ONLY tip.  ick.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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From: Jason Heikenfeld <jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu>
Subject: Re:Anti Racist Action party and Racists !
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The ARA is not a positive thing at all.
This is from my and friends experience w/ them.

Its a shame to see the ARA sully this scene too...
(The ska community here in Cincy fell to this fate)

I dont think I would support this party, something
 membered by sharps who would rather solve problems
 with a knife, isnt my idea of positive action.

ARA stands for Anti-Racist-Aggression in my opinion,
 not Action... extreme at best, is their action.

I'm just not that 'punk' I guess... just my opinion,
 maybe the ARA in Mpls. is different? I'd love for
 someone to prove me wrong...

 originally ignorant
 formerly knowledgeable
 currently hypocritical		-Jason  :P
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I don't know about other areas, but it's common that ARA and SHARP are
seperate entities.

In minneapolis there used to be quite the dramatic split between the two,
to the point that both ARA skins and SHARP skins fought each other for
several years.

I was a SHARP for several years and can recount the beatings from and to
ARA skins and the vocal confrontations we had over difference in "racial"
views - ie the SHARP's typical color blind approach and the ARA's
over-zealous ethno-centric spin on things.

SHARP's, atleast here, were always more laid back than the rigid up-tight
fist before mouth ARA.

I don't know how it all is now tho.

earache.

: The ARA is not a positive thing at all.
: This is from my and friends experience w/ them.
: 
: Its a shame to see the ARA sully this scene too...
: (The ska community here in Cincy fell to this fate)
: 
: I dont think I would support this party, something
:  membered by sharps who would rather solve problems
:  with a knife, isnt my idea of positive action.
: 
: ARA stands for Anti-Racist-Aggression in my opinion,
:  not Action... extreme at best, is their action.
: 
: I'm just not that 'punk' I guess... just my opinion,
:  maybe the ARA in Mpls. is different? I'd love for
:  someone to prove me wrong...


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Chris S wrote,
> So anyway, I'm standing outside of the Milwackky NYE at about 6 AM
> and some guy comes up to us and gives my friend (who is vietnmese) a
> flyer for this Shy FX party.   I ask him if he knows the JVC guys,
> mention that I know them pretty well.   No, he only is interested in
> Shy FX.  He asks what our crew is (we are holding gear from my live
> PA).  I tell him my name tell him I was doing hard techno.   "hard
> techno, fuck that.  (to my friend - )  why you hangin out with this
> white guy ?  why you trust a white guy ?  give me your phone number
> man (?)"  my friend is like "whoah, we're just chillin"    all of a
> sudden the guy is in real fight mode against my friend, cause he
> won't agree with him (??)      weird as hell, drugs involved I
> suppose. general bullshit and this is an ANTI RACIST benefit
> !@!!!!!!

I think I saw this guy at around 7:45 AM.  Me and a friend were 
standing outside, when a panhandeler asks my friend for some change.  
Before my friend can answer, this other guy is saying "Just take it 
man" and then to my friend, "How much you pay for those pants man?"
We kind of blew him off and he went away.  There's some kinda freaky 
peoples out there.  And that reminds me, not long after that, some guy 
walks by, and says "fuck gangsters".  It took me a second to realize 
he was talking to me.(I was wearing this fat down coat, cause it's 
real warm and I thought it might be cold in Milwaukee.)  Some heavy 
PLUR action goin' on.


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Chris S wrote,
> So anyway, I'm standing outside of the Milwackky NYE at about 6 AM
> and some guy comes up to us and gives my friend (who is vietnmese) a
> flyer for this Shy FX party.   I ask him if he knows the JVC guys,
> mention that I know them pretty well.   No, he only is interested in
> Shy FX.  He asks what our crew is (we are holding gear from my live
> PA).  I tell him my name tell him I was doing hard techno.   "hard
> techno, fuck that.  (to my friend - )  why you hangin out with this
> white guy ?  why you trust a white guy ?  give me your phone number
> man (?)"  my friend is like "whoah, we're just chillin"    all of a
> sudden the guy is in real fight mode against my friend, cause he
> won't agree with him (??)      weird as hell, drugs involved I
> suppose. general bullshit and this is an ANTI RACIST benefit
> !@!!!!!!

I think I saw this guy at around 7:45 AM.  Me and a friend were 
standing outside, when a panhandeler asks my friend for some change.  
Before my friend can answer, this other guy is saying "Just take it 
man" and then to my friend, "How much you pay for those pants man?"
He realy seemed ready for a fight.  We kind of blew him off and he went 
away.  There's some kinda freaky peoples out there.  And that reminds 
me, not long after that, some guy walks by, and says "fuck gangsters".  
It took me a second to realize he was talking to me.(I was wearing this 
fat down coat, cause it's real warm and I thought it might be cold in 
Milwaukee.)  Some heavy PLUR action goin' on.  


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>Subcoordinate Reactor (toledo, anyone go to this?)

I was there. In the midst of all that fog. I had to scrape the residue off
my lungs after coming out of there. No to mention it was real cold that
night. I didn't like the fact they used metal detectors and made me leave
my water at the door which was taken. After all of that I had an ok time
dropping flyers for Generator and talking with members of Underground
Resistance.

Peace,
Des

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> it's an insulkt to see jungle used in this way and be 
>accepted but then put at normal speed and dissed. 

Jungle, by and large, is not dissed.   As a matter of fact, it is 
enjoying phenomenal acceptance.  
>
>not to mention bob wasted one hell of a wicked bassline;) it went into 
>oblivion when pitched down that far.
>
>BUT as usual it's all a matter of opinion.
>
>cheers,
>dylan

As mentioned before, a lot of early jungle djs were spinning other stuff 
at 45 in order to have more records to play.   Heroin-hop (jungle at 33) 
I think sounds wicked and gnarly, I've spun stuff like that before.   But 
it either works or it doesn't....


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I heard last night from someone that their is a DJAX party on jan 17&18.  I
haven't heard anything about this and neither have any of my friends really.  I
think they said it was going to be in Dayton OH.  Can anyone out there add any
light to this.  I know a bounch of us would be really interested in going.  If
anyone has any information on this it would be greatly appreicated.  If you do,
could you please include the line up, info line and all that shit.  Thanks in
advance.



--
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>I heard last night from someone that their is a DJAX party on jan 17&18.  I
>haven't heard anything about this and neither have any of my friends really.  I
>think they said it was going to be in Dayton OH.

someone is confused...there is a party in dayton on jan 11 featuring at
least 2 djax artists (akilah bryant & dj skull), as well as rob hood (!)
and stacey pullen, and a live pa from titonton.  it is called movement and
you can call the JUSTUS line at 513.496.4511 for more detailed info.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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sorry, some things i left out...

1) if i didn't meet you, i was the kid wearing a white dkny sweatshirt and
carrying a cane.  so you can look for me at future parties, if you saw me.

2) DON'T EVER try making kool-aid with a pixie stick in lieu of sugar.
after mikeyd gave us his flyer we tried it...it DOESN'T WORK.  ick.  :/

3) why the hell wasn't the crowd more into the hip hop that danny the
wildchild dropped?  i thought most party people liked hip hop!  even if you
aren't into it, isn't it still fun to dance to?  i swear 98% of those
people stopped moving.  oh well.  maybe that is why hip hop seldom/never
gets played at parties :(

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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Allroy wrote:
>just one thing to ask
>wisconsinites...how come your restaraunts don't have margarine?!?  the
>wendy's in racine (where we stayed) was on the BUTTER ONLY tip.  ick.

listen, mister, we take our dairy products quite seriously around here.
Besides, one of the ingredients in margarine that the manufacturers
conveniently don't mention is PLASTIC. ick!

111



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You wrote: 
>
>sorry, some things i left out...
>
>1) if i didn't meet you, i was the kid wearing a white dkny sweatshirt 
and
>carrying a cane.  so you can look for me at future parties, if you saw 
me.
>
>2) DON'T EVER try making kool-aid with a pixie stick in lieu of sugar.
>after mikeyd gave us his flyer we tried it...it DOESN'T WORK.  ick.  
:/
>
>3) why the hell wasn't the crowd more into the hip hop that danny the
>wildchild dropped?  i thought most party people liked hip hop!  even 
if you
>aren't into it, isn't it still fun to dance to?  i swear 98% of those
>people stopped moving.  oh well.  maybe that is why hip hop 
seldom/never
>gets played at parties :(
    Heyyy i danced ! :)  I always like to hear dannywc _b/c_ of his mix 
of hhop and jungle and scratchin.

j e s s/madison

    
>take two of these and thank me in the morning,
>michael
>allroy
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/free/mmccusty.html
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> 
> Allroy wrote:
> >just one thing to ask
> >wisconsinites...how come your restaraunts don't have margarine?!?  the
> >wendy's in racine (where we stayed) was on the BUTTER ONLY tip.  ick.
> 
> listen, mister, we take our dairy products quite seriously around here.
> Besides, one of the ingredients in margarine that the manufacturers
> conveniently don't mention is PLASTIC. ick!
> 

Indeed...those Wisconsin people...*cough cough*

Actually, the preservatives and additives that are in margarine make up in
unhealthiness for what it doesn't claim in fat and cholesterol.  It and
butter are both pretty shitty for ya...just cut out both if that's what
you're worried about.  :)  But if flavour is the source of yer problems...I
cannae help ye, laddie!
;p

Always,
ERinaceous
;-}

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> **************************************************************************
> "it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
>                                            -derrick carter
> **************************************************************************

i noticed this little quote at the end of michael mccusty's emails, and 
decided to bring this issue up to the list as a whole.  i don't know how 
many derrick carter fans there are on this list, but i was wondering if 
anyone has checked him out recently.  since he has been back from his 
acclaimed residence at the ministry of sound i have seen him three times 
in chicago.  each time i have been intensely disappointed, and they have 
been at events spread out over i'd say a 5 month period, so i am bit 
worried that he has lost it.  compared to his tapes of yester year like 
"velvet" and "end of story" his style has become very average bordering 
on mediocre booty house.  so has been my experience.  i've heard him at 
the dubtribe show at the metro in chicago, at the piece of shit 
'superstar' party "love revolution", and most lately at his show at the 
metro the monday before christmas.                              
just wondering
fernando

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in 1996 i saw derrick carter spin a limited number of times...but i
remember his set @ plush being incredible.  i agree that while his set at
love revolution was severely lacking, he dropped some BOMBS at cloud
kickin' in windsor.  at blast off, the sound was too muddy to really
comprehend (similar to love revolution), so i can't really say.  i think
those were the only 4 times i saw him all year...so at least half the times
i was severely impressed...

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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Have any of you madisonites heard any more about the party on mills street,
former space for starchildren's parties, that is suppossedly goin on tonight?


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On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 15:30:24 -0600 jt111@execpc.com (jASON.111) writes:
>Allroy wrote:
>>just one thing to ask
>>wisconsinites...how come your restaraunts don't have margarine?!?  
>the
>>wendy's in racine (where we stayed) was on the BUTTER ONLY tip.  ick.
>
>listen, mister, we take our dairy products quite seriously around 
>here.
>Besides, one of the ingredients in margarine that the manufacturers
>conveniently don't mention is PLASTIC. ick!
>
>111

Plus, I read in Natural Health magazine that the one thing that people
should never, never eat is margarine.  That's because it's hydrogenated
fat, which means that there's water mixed in with the fat and it doesn't
separate when it's digested and causes more heart damage than the poor
martyr of all dairy products, butter ever would.  This is also why you
should never eat hydrogenated peanut butter.  It does the same thing. 
Get the good kind from your food co-op, the kind that you have to stir
up!

You just think we're all just self obsessed dairy fanatics in wisconsin,
but see we actually know something, see?
(that last comment was from my sister and I hold no responsibility for
it.)
elka (and gabriella) 

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sound: not enough bass. when i walked into the main room around 10 pm, i
noticed the volume seemed rather low, and there wasn't enough bass being
pushed out of those speakers. i ignored it hoping that when the new year
came in, they would double the volume and blow our minds. didn't happen.
even right up next to the speakers the bass was barely sufficient.

lighting: adequate i guess. i wish the main room had had more ambient
lighting. i like being able to see who people are as i'm walking around.

music: too dark up for me up until phantom 45 came on, and most people i
talked to said the same thing. new years is a time of celebration for me,
and all that dark music just didn't quite do it for me.  when alec empire
came on, i was with rhiannon (from the list) and her sis. we listened for
about 30 seconds and then made the decision to go downstairs. we went to the
second room only to find more dark music. now i know this was considered a
drop bas party (even though there were other promoters involved) but
couldn't they have had one room be dark and the other be brighter styles?
even when the music did brighten up in the main room, none of the housey djs
were overwhelmingly impressive. at least one good chicago house dj would
have been very nice.

the countdown: this is the second drop bass nye party in a row that the
whole countdown to midnight thing has left me rather unimpressed. this year,
just like last year, we did the little countdown thing, we cheered happy new
year, and then i stood there immediately expecting some pumpin beats to come
on and make everyone go nuts, only to sit there and watch as nothing
happened and all that energy that had been built up died away in waste.

the chill room: i loved this place. this was the one aspect of the party
that truly impressed me. the plentiful lighting and warm vibes of this room
provided an excellent haven from the dark music elsewhere at the party.
throughout the night it was filled with smiling faces, which is what i
wanted to see. it definitely had the atmosphere of a small vibe-filled party
where you were amongst friends. i think the only problem was that this was
where everyone else wanted to be too, and the room wasn't big enough for all
those people seeking refuge. this is where i found megan, who helped keep me
smiling for the rest of the party. thanks megan. :)

overall: bitching aside, i had a good time, and i think it was a good party,
but nothing too special for me. i think i would have had a better time at
the party in st. louis, but i felt on nye you should be celebrating with
your friends. maybe next year i'll have to convince my friends to go to a
party more oriented towards the celebration of the new year.

ps i was too much in my own little world to make whatever net meet took
place, but if any of you thought you saw a kc with short hair instead of
long hair, that was me.

-kc


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did *anyone* go?

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, michael mccusty wrote:
> 3) why the hell wasn't the crowd more into the hip hop that danny the
> wildchild dropped?  i thought most party people liked hip hop!  even if you
> aren't into it, isn't it still fun to dance to?  i swear 98% of those
> people stopped moving.  oh well.  maybe that is why hip hop seldom/never
> gets played at parties :(

Hip-Hip is the bomb to dance to, and sometimes it's great fun tolisten to 
also, i agree that it clears floors, but why? Booty is where it's at. can 
never pass up a good booty party or dj. so mike, there are still some of 
us hip-hop fans out here. BTW, i busted my ass to Danny's stuff, to bad i 
only got there for 10 min of his set:(

Kyle




> 
> take two of these and thank me in the morning,
> michael
> allroy
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/free/mmccusty.html
> **************************************************************************
> "it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
>                                            -derrick carter
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> 
> 
> 

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Just posting to let you all know that another Detroit Kid just got
subscribed to the list. <<<ME>>>>

Use It Dont Abuse It
Justin

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as far as i know they still dont have a spot for it


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>for about a half hour until the paramedics showed up. Maybe the DBN krew know
>something? Just curious...

yeh his name was fran, he is a friend of mine and was shitface drunk, by
the way i was the guy in the Drop Bass Support Squad shirt/Addidas flight
pants that stood on the right side of the mainstage for the most part of
the night doing stage security....he's kewl now though



>Went 2 breakfast at McD's w/ Amy and krew. Amy, thanks 4 the ride back! :)
>Saw some
>cops hassling some ravers outside, who just came from the (tiny room)
>afterhours. I
>guess they looked like ravers... u know. The cops intended on shutting
>down the
>afterhours, I guess...


the warehouse was 1000 sqaure fett sorry for it but that is where i live
and kurt decideed against using his warehouse so i volunteered mine.....the
cops came twice brought the fire department with them once but they never
entered the building because i wouldn't let them and the afterhours raged
for 24 hours from 7am on the 1st to 7am on the 2nd....FUK THE COPS AND THE
REST OF THEIR DOMINATOR  CULTURE....WE WON THE BATTLE CHALK ONE UP FOR THE
UNDERGROUND!!!!!!!

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>the cops came twice brought the fire department with them >once but they
never entered the building because i wouldn't >let them and the afterhours
raged for 24 hours from 7am on >the 1st to 7am on the 2nd....FUK THE COPS AND
THE REST OF >THEIR DOMINATOR  CULTURE....WE WON THE BATTLE CHALK ONE >UP FOR
THE UNDERGROUND!!!!!!!

Wooooo Hoooooo *big big cheers* :D

that's fucking RAAAADDDDD!!!!!!!!!

oh well, gotta go.....


peace & love ;)
Tim

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okay, here's my opinion of the night:

got there a couple of minutes before people were being let in and already
ran into mikeyd passing out his kool aid flyers.  and...wait a minute...i'll
get to the party :)

first off i just want to say that my favorite room was the blue room by far.
the whole night there was quality bangin techno.  i think my favorite set
came from whomever was in that room at 9-10pm.  he also was there 11-12pm
tag teaming with someone else.  was this Frankie Vega?  he had a star wars
shirt on and a baseball hat.  sort of skinny and tan skin.  who was this
guy?  anybody verify this for me?  blitz, kurt?   anyway, this kid (he
looked really young) had mad skillz and was playing the best techno i heard
all night imo...

that room always had something great going on in it, everyone was dancin and
barely any were standing or sitting.  i only wish the blue lights wouldn't
have gone out halfway through the night.  i'm not complaining though.

anyway, danny the wildchild showed how he CANNOT BE TOUCHED when it comes to
scratching on the drum 'n' bass tip.  my favorite was when he was playing
around with that "buttfucking" track with the biggie small sample.  heh.
the hip hop was great.  i didn't notice that no one else was dancin cuz i
was doin it myself.

i liked what i heard of chris sattinger's set, but i was spending a lot of
time socializing during this time.

okay, about alec empire.  i have decided that i cannot pass judgement on him
since the sound was so muddy during his set.  i understand that his stuff
was very noisey, but aside from that i could not decipher what was going on
because of the acoustics in the room.  i must admit that i was very
dissapointed in the sound.  the sound at further was excellent.  it seems to
me that in order to get good sound in a large open space such as this, you
really need some massive sound to accomodate it.  dbn had the right idea
with putting it in four corners, but there still wasn't enough power/stacks
to fill up that place.  you would need a mother of a stack in each corner to
really pound people.  so yes, i also left a half an hour into his set, not
because he was bad, but because i couldn't even hear beats (i know there
were plenty of parts where it was just noise, but even when there *were*
beats i couldn't really hear them well*).

i spent a lot of the rest of the party walking around with friends, in the
chill room (which i liked a lot except for the crowds), and napping.

i slept through prototype 909.  

i actually was unimpressed with fred gianelli.  i didn't stay much longer
than 15 minutes for that though.

boy was it COLD!  i tried to get my jacket out of my car but the security
schmucks wouldn't let me back in if i did.  i thought that's what the
wristbands were for.  oh well...  i had two layers on but i am a skinny boy,
i was freezing my ass off almost the whole night!  this had a large part to
do with my mood during the party if anyone saw me bummin...

phantom 45 was good, but i agree that it was lacking something.  he played a
second set in the blue room around 7am with some more chill stuff.

i don't remember which house people were on when but i think it was bernard
badie who did the best.

anyway, it was a pretty good evening for me, but not stellar.  it was a good
party, and everything ran smoothly.  how many times does that even happen
anywhere?  think about it....

btw., i second the notion for a turnout # just cause i am curious...




--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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Well, I finally got back tonight, around 10pm.  I left Fort Dodge at 1pm 
Tuesday.  That says a lot about my trip, I think.  Basically, here's the 
story.  We got to the parking lot outside the space, Chris gave me back 
my keys, I put them inside my backpack's front pocket.  Didn't touch them 
the rest of the night.  8am rolls around, try to leave, can't.  Someone 
stole my keys.  Lucky for me, my batteries on that transmitter (keyless 
entry) are dead, so I still have a car!  Woo hoo!

Anyway....the party. :)

John, Chris and I left Mpls around 5:30 or so and go to the space around 
10:30.  We needed to meet Jon around 11, so that was good.  After waiting 
in a line for about 10 min, and getting to see MikeyD!, we got to the ticket 
booth and to my 
surprise/glee, I got in with a comp!  Woo Hoo!!  I was pretty psyched 
about that since my day was pretty crappy thus far.

We got in and headed upstairs.  Explored the two rooms on the second 
floor.  All i can say is, way to take advantage of the after holidays 
christmas decorations sales. :)  Cool Chill room....Packed Chill Room. :)
We saw a lot of netters right away...Kc, JonG, etc...  That was nice.

Went to see the main room.  Died of shock.  Rescucitated myself and 
explored it!  HUGE room!  The main room was great.  Neato lasers, 
projections, etc...  I really like how the main room had an outer rim to 
walk around....made it easier to get aroud, etc.  Kinda spectatorey if 
that makes *any* sense. :)

Listened to Chris Sattinger's PA for 5  minutes or so...I didn't think 
Chris was ever going to go on at first....the guy on the mic would NOT 
shut up.  Oh well.  After that, we had to go meet Jon, so we went back to 
the chill room.

The Chill Room was definitely the best part of this party...throught the 
night it was definitely packed, but I met a lot of cool people in there 
and got to talk to some people I finally had the chance to meet! 

We went up for the countdown, which was nothing cool, and listened to 
Alec Empire freak out for about 5 minutes before I decided that I 
couldn't handle it any more.  It was pretty cool stuff, but I think it 
would have been a lot cooler at home on a regular stereo...I kept 
thinking that the sound was really muddy at that point, but it could have 
just been the music.  I dunno. :)

Musically, I would have to say that Phantom 45 and Total Output were the 
definitely highlights.  Total Output really had me at the speakers.  
WOW!  Good stuff...I'm really glad that I got to see them...I'm sure they 
won't be around too often. :)  I probably danced the most to Phantom 45 
tho....wow.  Great jungle.  Since I'm short, I had to fight my way to the 
front so I could watch him spin....since there were lots of tall people 
and some nappy strippers blocking my view, Kc gave me a boost. Thanks Kc. 
:)  Anyway, to say the least, I was completely mesmerized my his hands.  
Wow!  Can't wait to see him spin again.
The music at this party was really cool, but by far, the best part of the 
party for me was getting to see so many people that I hadn't met before 
or just plain don't get to see enough.

It was really great to meet you all and hang out, etc.  For all of you 
who were in the pics (Michael/allroy, Gill?, John, Chris, John/Dove, 
Ben!, MIKEYD!, etc... you know who you are!) I'm gonna either post them 
on my uiowa site or something....haven't figured it out yet.  But if 
y'all want copies, i'm sure I can swing that too.   It was really cool 
hanging out with you all, and chat and dance and what have you. :)  

Highlight of the evening for me:  Finally getting to meet the famous 
Tigger, whom I'd heard so much about, and the COMPLETELY unexpected 
arrival of my Iowa City partner in crime, Mr JP, Jason Welch!  That was 
so awesome....a moment never to be forgotten. :)  

Overall:  Great party, LOTSA VIBE!  I met so many people, netters and 
non-netters, got  to hear some fantastic music, and dance a helluva a 
lot. :)  It was an expensive journey, but definitely worth it to me! 
Special thanks to all the netters I saw for making my party...and to 
MikeyD for the pacifier.  What would I do without you? :)

*peace*love&all*that*


Megan


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>btw., i second the notion for a turnout # just cause i am curious...


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On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Elka N Karl wrote:

> 
> On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 15:30:24 -0600 jt111@execpc.com (jASON.111) writes:
> >Allroy wrote:
> >>just one thing to ask
> >>wisconsinites...how come your restaraunts don't have margarine?!?  
> >the
> >>wendy's in racine (where we stayed) was on the BUTTER ONLY tip.  ick.
> >
> >listen, mister, we take our dairy products quite seriously around 
> >here.
> >Besides, one of the ingredients in margarine that the manufacturers
> >conveniently don't mention is PLASTIC. ick!
> >
> >111
> 
> Plus, I read in Natural Health magazine that the one thing that people
> should never, never eat is margarine.  That's because it's hydrogenated
> fat, which means that there's water mixed in with the fat and it doesn't
> separate when it's digested and causes more heart damage than the poor
> martyr of all dairy products, butter ever would.  This is also why you
> should never eat hydrogenated peanut butter.  It does the same thing. 
> Get the good kind from your food co-op, the kind that you have to stir
> up!

kinda close but no cigar.  Margarine can be bad for you because it is
often
not completely hydrogenated thus leaving lots of free radicals hanging out
to damage your cells.  btw, hydrogenation is not the mixing of water with
something, it refers to adding molecular hydrogen (h2) to an organic
chemical usaully with a catalyst (platinum is the a popular one) to remove
the hydroxy groups.  Margarine probably poses the greater long term health
risk.  Also, someone mentioned preservativies negatively earlier.  Don't
believe the hype, preservative are GOOD for you not bad.  

tim
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hey did anyone go to that thing at the southern theater last night?

we rolled up and I guess it was "filled to capacity", which was kinda good
coz I'm still pooped from nye.

anyways, the details!!

earache.

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> we rolled up and I guess it was "filled to capacity", which was kinda good
> coz I'm still pooped from nye.

I didn't go, for the same reasons. But I guess if it was filled up, they
must've done pretty well. Maybe there'll be more???

chrisE!

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>okay, about alec empire.  i have decided that i cannot pass judgement on him
>since the sound was so muddy during his set.  i understand that his stuff
>was very noisey, but aside from that i could not decipher what was going on
>because of the acoustics in the room.

You know one thing about Alec Empire's production (DHR, ATR, destroyer 
stuff) is that he just doesn't have the solid physical gabber assault.  
Its always interesting stuff, but it doesn't rock your body.  with the 
weak sound at NYE, it was especially apparant.  There are far better 
sound producers than him, but his samples and attitude or definitely cool.

10-4 over and out good buddy.
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>
>> we rolled up and I guess it was "filled to capacity", which was kinda good
>> coz I'm still pooped from nye.
>
>I didn't go, for the same reasons. But I guess if it was filled up, they
>must've done pretty well. Maybe there'll be more???
>
>chrisE!


No !!!!   I told the organizer very explicitly what I thought of the 
whole thing.   Basically, we felt like we were used to draw a certain 
crowd in.  Then we didn't really get a  too much of  a chance to dance !  
 All of these ravers turned up, were forced to wait outside (in a fucking 
blizzard) until people left so they could get in.   It was sold out to 
Walker members before they even opened.   It was fun spinning weird 
records in between acts, and I did get to drop a 30 minute heavy twisted 
drum and bass set.   People would get up and dance for the 10 minutes 
between acts !   But after a while people were frustrated because they 
kept stopping it.   This would have been alright because WE WERE PROMISED 
A PARTY AT THE END OF IT.  And they didn't fucking give it to us.   We 
ended up spinning for 15 minutes a peice at the end ( I got into my 
second record and they shut us down before the advertised 4:30 end time - 
 I just wanted a chance to spin techno on that fucking mammoth system).   
The organizer thought it was cool that these people "were exposed to 
something new", but I told him that he ripped them off in the process.   
The sound system was incredible and we wanted to use it so bad.  When we 
did get to spin (Apollo spun for 30 minutes too), all kinds of people 
were dancing.  Some old guy who obviously learned to dance during the era 
of Swing !    shoooby doo wop bam bam.  He was having a great time to 
Neil Landstrumm.
It wasn't all bad, there was occasionally a vibe, but overall it could 
have worked a lot lot better.  I like cultural collisions, but this was 
just a bunch of stuff shoved together, not an actual meeting of anything. 
  The hip hop crew showed up, dropped the science, and immediately left.  
lame dj too.

10-4 over and out good buddy.
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    Friday 1.24.97 - MPLZ, MN

djApollo invites you to a night of ...

      ... TRAINWRECKING ...

resident trainwreckerz for the night:

----------------------------- DJ SLIP
            Sound, Missile UK records

----------DJ APOLLO AKA RALPH LAURENN
           Communique, Sounds records

----------J. BURTON AKA PROF. EARACHE
       inneraktive nettwerx, 612 inc.

-------------------------------PLAN B
           O.D., inneraktive nettwerx

------ celebrating the release of the
------ "trainwrecker" EP by dj.apollo
------ to be released on communique
------ records in february of 1997

  Address & Directions: 908.0025
  Cost: $5
  Doors open at 11pm @ ecstatic loft


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i heard derrick spin at the metro thingie the monday before christmas too and
i thought he was actually quite good then, but not as good as when i heard
him at blast off in october. imo i think he is an excellent dj, and
apparently other ppl do too as he was named one of the top 25 djs in the
world by the british magazine The Face over the summer.


-rhiannon

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tix: 20 bucks plus two bucks for parking
space: route 66
they had decorations up, which i thought was a nice touch, some posters and
streamers and stuff, and very cool film loops (the one of the stingrays was
the bomb!). it was the same set up basically as immortal (better sound
though) but they had a third room upstairs for drum n bass that was totally
dark except for a few strobes (my all-time favorite lighting) and fog...super
eerie and way cool, although i didn't spend much time up there unfortunately.

music: dj nate (i think that's his name) played a super fun house set with
goodies like "southside chicago" and todd terry's "keep on jumpin." he closed
it out with that song "it takes two to make a thing go right" which was
totally awesome.
there was a happy gabber set next which pretty much cleared the floor midway
through, although i thought it was good (i am such a sucker for strings and
piano breaks!)
in the side room a dj from spain, toni, played happy-ish techno that was
wikked.
i didn't hear anyone else cos i had to leave early. :(

vibe: i thought there was a nice vibe at this party, much less attitude than
usual which was very refreshing.

overall: i just want to give mad props to the security guard who brought more
toilet paper to the girls bathroom!!! (i hate using fliers to wipe!!)
when u wish upon a star was a good start to the new year

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> 
> tim
> mw-raves resident biochemist
> 

HEY!  How about we share that title?

Always,
Erinaceous
;-}
Mad Hatter at Large 

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Welllllllll.. I have to admit... *I* was impressed with the event.  The 
eclectic mix of comedy, dance, and performance art kept my interest 
throughout the whole night (though I ended up leaving shortly after the 
"balls" segment).  I'm a bit confused as to how this was marketed.. 
although I found out about the event from Mr. Sattinger on this list, 
most of my friends had heard about it through the Walker ARt Center.  So 
my question is, where was this advertised that attracted all of these 
rave kids?  The only reason that I ask is because Chris mentioned that 
this was misrepresented to this crowd, as far as what the whole event was 
about.  What I mean to say is that most of my friends who I saw there had 
a pretty clear idea of what this was going to be like, and didn't expect 
this to be a party at all.  I suspect if I went there with the sole 
intention of dancing, I might have been pretty upset.  However, I was 
delighted to see some really incredible dancing (Chinese, Indian, and 
"modern"), a *HILARIOUS* comedien (he did impressions including a tibeten 
monk in the sound of music), and some pretty solid spinning (both Chris 
Sattinger and ESP were wonderful... one thing that was nice about being 
able to sit in the seats and listen to them was that I was able to focus 
on the music and really enjoy it.  Usually when I go to parties and want 
to sit down and focus on the music, I'm constantly interrupted by caring 
souls who want to know "what's wrong?!?!  why aren't you dancing?!")

Anyways, there were a few lously acts during the night, and the whole
ticket situation was REDICULOUS!!!  But I really dug 
the whole feel of the evening.  I hope to see more events like this in 
the near future... maybe I'm just getting old, and have had enough of the 
"party" scene... but for me it's always been about the music.  In this 
environment I was able to enjoy it in a comfortable atmosphere, and be 
exposed to other genres of art.. (Incidently, I have a *STRONG* adversion 
to performance art.. so forcing myself to sit through it surprised me by 
turning out to be quite interesting and hilarious).

-Jason (who's just getting old...)

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On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:52:14 -0600 (CST) "chrisE! (aka Zorak, Lord of the
Mantises)" <crege@piper.hamline.edu> writes:
>> we rolled up and I guess it was "filled to capacity", which was 
>kinda good
>> coz I'm still pooped from nye.
>
>I didn't go, for the same reasons. But I guess if it was filled up, 
>they
>must've done pretty well. Maybe there'll be more???
>
>
>From what I heard this is supposed to be a series of events happening
every Saturday night till sometime in February, so hopefully there'll be
a lot more chances to get out and hear some good music, see some great
dancing, etc., since this is supposed to be an eclectic dance/performance
sort of event.

By the way, it was listed in the paper under the "cabaret"  section!

elka

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>From what I heard this is supposed to be a series of events happening
>every Saturday night till sometime in February, so hopefully there'll be
>a lot more chances to get out and hear some good music, see some great
>dancing, etc., since this is supposed to be an eclectic dance/performance
>sort of event.

All of the Out There series shows are different.  There will be no 
further DJs / rap bands etc.

>
>By the way, it was listed in the paper under the "cabaret"  section!
>
>elka


10-4 over and out good buddy.
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reprogramming our reality through disco 

live PA : Milwaukee DBN New Years Eve
new records coming on :  Synewave, Subvoice, Sativae                      
                                          

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> So 
>my question is, where was this advertised that attracted all of these 
>rave kids?  The only reason that I ask is because Chris mentioned that 
>this was misrepresented to this crowd, as far as what the whole event was 
>about.  What I mean to say is that most of my friends who I saw there had 
>a pretty clear idea of what this was going to be like, and didn't expect 
>this to be a party at all.  I suspect if I went there with the sole 
>intention of dancing, I might have been pretty upset. 

The mis-representin part is that it was billed with ESP and the 
Communique All Stars (and our names listed) as the major item in the 
newspapers etc.   The only reason they didn't use the word Rave is that 
we demanded they didn't.  And then all the other acts got longer times 
than we did, we were stuffed back to the end of the night (and had our 
time taken away by bad stage managing).   So having billed it as that and 
mentioned that there would be dancing, there was only sporadic dancing at 
various parts of the night.  And ESP only spun for 20 minutes.   I'm all 
in favor of cultural collisions :)   But our names were used to draw a 
crowd there, and then we didn't get a chance to do our stuff 
sufficiently. (whereas this very sleepy acid jazz combo played for 40 
minutes all the way into our sets.)
But no, the night was OK, I'm just bitchin cause it could have been 
better and the energy could have flowed more.  The traditional chinese 
dancers were great :)

10-4 over and out good buddy.
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Chris Sattinger 
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I normally don't post any reviews about parties because everyone has
there own taste in music, but this is one party that I must respond to.
FROM NOW ON,  I WILL TRY TO MAKE THE UTMOST EFFORT TO
BOYCOTT DROP BASS NETWORK PARTIES--at least until they get rid of
this sexist crap. 
    I hate to talk about the rhetoric behind raves and as such, but one
thing about 'raves' was about equality amoung gender. Having women in
scanty clothing and fucked up video screens (of women being held
captive and strapped and having dildoes shoved in and out of their
mouths where it is all obvious that the woman doesn't like it) is surely not
my cup of tea and neither should it be anyone elses. I, personally, have
nothing against porn. However, this shit was misogynistic and down
right degrading to 50% of the population. When I go to parties, I expect to
escape from the bullshit of degradation of all people and hope for some
good music and just dance to my hearts content, but after seeing things
like this, it gives me a sick feeling inside.
   I'm not telling anyone to boycott anything but I just want you all to be
aware of some of the excrement that I have been witnessing at parties
and particularly DBN Parties. 
  TO Drop Bass Network: Please stop this porn trend or you'll be losing at
least one less raver and thus one less 20 bill (though i wish it were $15
or less). There may be other people who feel the same way about this
so keep it in mind. Besides I rather be fucked out of my mind looking at
fractal and other psychedelic material. Your porn thing may be all a joke
to you but it sure isn't to me

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not to single out DBN for anything wrong in particular, as i have yet to 
attend any of their events (sorry kurt!), but i do feel compelled to 
briefly address the issue of gender inequality in the scene.

i think we all need to be very aware of gender-related issues as they
relate to the rave scene and in society in general.  i'm not saying event
promoters, flyer-designers, DJs, or ravers need to necessarily become
politically-aligned with radical feminists or anything (as fun as it
sounds ;), but i think legitimate issues raised in this forum are too
often brushed off as being "typical feminist reactionary rhetoric." 

i'm speaking of a couple obvious cases, of course; namely the
not-so-distant controversies of the MASSIVE cutesy-raver chick cover (was
it #9? 10?  i can't remember), and the PHORE flyer (both originating,
coincidentally or not, from milwaukee ;).  there are other cases as well,
but i'm singling these two out because i remember them a little more
clearly. 

it seemed that in both of the above cases, legitimate and thoughtful
questions from inquisitive and intelligent people were dealt with a little
too casually; not quite "oh shut up, you typical feminazi," but closer to
"well that's our taste, so get over it." 

i dont want to make a big hullabaloo over this, but i think that those 
kind of (male) responses are a little shallow (intentionally or not) and i 
think these issues deserve better answers.

case in point: from what i understand, the MASSIVE cutesy raver chick
artist was told a little bit about the controversy surrounding his work,
so his answer was to create another layout for the following issue,
featuring the same chick with various cut-out outfits so you could dress
her how you wanted.  as brilliant and funny as this response was, i think he
missed the point somewhat.  i'm not here to dispute aesthetics, as--like
assholes--everyone's got their own (hehe), but i think that his paper
doll idea seemed more intended to provoke or at least slightly annoy
anyone who might have legitimately been offended or who questioned the
motivation of this particular work. 

in other words, had he really thought about what was in question, he might
have responded differently.  as it stands, his selection of alternate
outfits for the raver chick--ranging from s&m gear to pajamas (if i'm not
mistaken)--were for the most part almost as bad as the revealing
form-fitting outfit from the original.  sure, the drawing is just the
artist's own creation, and as such it reveals his own sexual
preoccupations and preferences (nothing wrong with that at all)...but he
has to understand that the decisions he makes (and that MASSIVE makes, and
that we all make) have deeper implications than his (or our) own
self-indulgence. 

what _is_ in question is a whole set of ideas about how women "should" be
and how they are presented.  those of us who are in a position to present
women to the rest of the scene should maybe ask ourselves if we are doing
any harm by showing pornos or presenting women in ways which compromise
their potential to be seen as equals.  in fact, we have to start with the
very basics and decide whether or not we even want women to be equal at
all! 

i know it sounds ridiculously sexist, but as men, we have to look deep
inside ourselves to find out if we want women to be our equals in the
first place...and only from there can action be taken, whatever side of
the fence we decide we stand on.  and if indeed we feel women do deserve
to be equal (doh), we have to decide what that means to us, and set our
own parameters (ie: is there room for "femininity," are there special
areas where men are stronger, or where women are stronger, etc).  once
that has been done, we act based on those criteria. 

i think women are so often told (consciously or not) what they should look
like, what they should wear, what they can or can't do, etc, that they
often submit themselves to male criteria, and what really sucks is that
men themselves dont know what those criteria really mean.  women who think
for themselves are gaining enormous strength to challenge these notions,
that's for sure, but it sure doesnt help when men have not taken the time
to really ask themselves if they _can_ see women as equals, and what that
means specifically to them.  instead they pay women lip-service about
equality (i've even done it myself!) and aren't honest with themselves:
maybe a strong woman makes them a little uncomfortable...maybe they think
a woman ought to be feminine (whatever that means)...maybe they want a
woman who will stay at home...maybe they think equality applies
differently in different areas...etc. 

it's not easy to admit, but sadly, men are so used to the kind of women
who, even if strong, can bend to male desires.  we've all seen examples of
women who become "ghosts" of themselves when in a relationship...we
already know there are double-standards (strong male = heroic or virile,
strong woman = bitch or dyke)...and we have seen how few powerful women
there are in our own scene (i can count female DJs, promoters, etc on
barely two hands)...so it's no secret that both genders have a long way to
go before we meet halfway. 

but i dont mean to divide our scene into male vs. female.  as with
everything in life, it's more complex than just "either/or."  and i hadn't
intended to belabor the point like i have here, but i think this issue
deserves a second look from all of us: "liberated," "feminist," 
"self-proclaimed mysoginist," "hardcore snuff filmmaker," or otherwise. 

all i'm asking is for those of us (men) who are in a position of
presenting women to the scene, to really ask ourselves some hard questions
and try to find out if there is, indeed, a better way that women can be
seen/heard/experienced that presents them in a more loving, positive, and
equal light.  i know women can (and are) doing it without male help, but i
bet a lot more could happen if we joined minds/spirits/forces, especially
in our own little "mw-family." 

so, chickie babies, tell us how to get it goin on!  

*duck*
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Hello everybody.  I haven't been on mw-raves for awhile and would like to say
hi to
my old friends and new friends.  I thought the New Year's party was fat as
hell.  Thanks to the DBN  we were able to get together with each other and
hang out for a whole night with some of the best talent I've ever seen to
entertain us.  The show went off and we had a deep groove and a free
after-hours party thanks to the
FreeBass Crew.  It was refreshing to see alot of genuine live sets happening.
 I like to see how it is done by the real musicans really doing it.  I was
especially impressed by our own Chris Sattinger and the legendary Fred
Gianelli (that is not to take any credit away from the other guys).  Yeah,
 I'm easy :)  I read some of the scant reviews of my own video mixing which
went from boring to neato!  In reply to the
boring review was that "boring" in just a regular sort of way or "boring" in
some special sort of way?  Thanks for the "neato" thing--that is about the
nicest thing anybody has ever said about me;)  The review that mentioned the
bondage stuff and related it to yin yang theory that is about right.  I
believe in keeping my feet in hell and my head in heaven.  Really.  It is too
bad that the only thing that ever seems to get noticed is the blatantly
offensive stuff--I don't like to stoop to shock tactics but you 
gotta do what you gotta do.  I'm personally tired of the bondage stuff now
and run it mostly because so many people ask me to.  I find the garbage fed
to the public via
mainstream advertising and MTV much more pornographic and offensive than
anything I would ever stoop to using and BTW nothing I use is hardcore and
doesn't
officially go beyond plain old T & A.  

Anyways,  I'm off to Mexico to commune with the Mayan gods in the mushroom
jungles of the ancients for the next two months.  My plane leaves at 2 a.m.
tomorrow
morning.  Expect some Mayan influence coming from the Demon Puppet when and
if
I ever do another video show in the midwest.  Remember 2012 is the end of the
Mayan calender and after that expect nothing but pure Bliss.

Thanks again.

Peace and love,

Mark Joseph
Demon Puppet Multi-media Assault Coordinator
OTAT #55
777
Love Is Combustion

p.s.  was the guy in the silver space suit Kurt?

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On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Erin M Carter wrote:

> > 
> > tim
> > mw-raves resident biochemist
> > 
> 
> HEY!  How about we share that title?
> 
> Always,
> Erinaceous
> ;-}
> Mad Hatter at Large 
> 
fine with me.  I didn't know there was anyone else out there.  I have been
doing it for nearly 4 years, its about time some else share the work load
:-).

tim



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i have seen a coupla posts asking if that mc in the space suit was kurt..
kurt is the guy with dreads and was wearing that gray tone hunting jacket
couldnt have missed him :> not that i know him personally...but that was
him.
toodles,
john/dove
ps - who was that mc anyway??


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If anyone in the memphis area wants to help out on a FREE party,
(Im working on correcting EVERYTHING that went wrong), this is what
i'm needing some help on:
sound/lights(NO RED this time!)
and space for a few hundred kidz...
Neverland was meant to be a pajama party but due to a few situations
beyond my control(investors making a few mistakes by taking last minute
control of everything) i feel i need to make up for what went wrong and
I am ...

and if you can get transportation and spin that would be sooopah nice....

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com
E-mail me as soon as possible..my goal is to have everything happen within
a 2 month period....

PREFERABLY a few weeks period if at all possible.....


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i think one of the healthier things i enjoyed about this scene when i got 
in to it back in the day was the openeness of thought and action and the 
ability to disagreee, and to let each to his own.  with that in mind i 
look at this debate with the perspective that if you were really so 
offended by the images portrayed, well ther was A. a set of speakers at 
the back of the room facing away from the screen and dancers, and B there 
were 2 other rooms.  and of course one can look at the stage and not look 
at the screen above it.

i will say i was annoyed by the fe,male dancers, but not until it got 
overtly sexual, and *in my face*, i.e. i had crotches in my reach, pretty 
much right under my nose. then it bugged me because i simply couldnt see 
phantom rip shit up. but before that i was fine with the dancers, tho to 
make it fair for the ladies and/or gay males i suppose there should have 
been male dancers as well.  

a third point that should be remembered is that drop bass network has 
always been about hedonism, from it's early days of pure underground 
satanic bliss to the current days of...well ok i cant really define it.;) 
but we're not to expect a moral lesson in a drop bass party, we're to 
expect a crazy fun time.  

i will say this. there wasnt one female dj on the lineup to my knowledge. 
why is that?

cheers,
dylan


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| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            
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Well, it seems to me that this whole discussion got started because of 
some visuals and the presence of some strippers or whatever you'd like to 
call those women.  Basically, it's come to all of our attention that 
there is a degree of "inequality" in the scene.  I think I'm the first of 
the mw-women to respond to this, so i'd just like to say that I'm only 
speaking for myself.  

On to business...

I haven't been "in the scene" for too long, but I know what I like and 
dislike about it.  One thing that has *never* annoyed or offended me in 
any way shape or form is the treatment of women in the scene, in 
general.  Sexism and misrepresentation of "what a woman should be/do" 
isn't merely a problem of the rave scene...it's something that is really 
prevalent in our society on the whole.  Watch tv for ten or fifteen 
miutes, doesn't matter what channel.  You'll see a commercial where 
there's a mother serving food to here children in the "traditional" 
manner, music videos with scantily clad women dancing around, or even 
those wonderful ads for 1-900 phone sex lines.  Those things are, in my 
opinion, far worse than anything I've *EVER* witnessed in the rave community.

Sure, there aren't that many female DJS.  Sure, there aren't as many 
female promoters.  I'm just not sure that there are as many females in 
the scene, period.  I'm not quite sure about that tho.  The things is, 
whose fault is this?  It's certainly not the fault of any man in the 
scene that I don't spin or throw parties.  It's just a matter of personal 
interest.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this:  Sexism is waaay bigger than any 
of us would like to admit.  I wish that it wasn't.  The thing is, I don't 
think that the rave scene is contributing to the maintenance of or 
increase in society's sexist themes.  If anything, I have never felt 
anything but total respect and love from most people in the scene.  I 
would even go so far to say that there is a large percentage of men in 
the scene that have mad respect women in general.   I don't think that 
it's a coincidence that for the most party, women in our community are 
some of the strongest, most intelligent, and most active out there.  
Maybe there are some things to fix, but this is one place where I think 
we're outdoing the norm.

*peace*love&all*that*


Megan/Princess

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>i will say this. there wasnt one female dj on the lineup to my knowledge. 
>why is that?
>
>cheers,
>dylan

The woman in Total Output does production too and was doing some of the 
live tweaking during their show.  The overall percentage of female to 
male djs in the circuit would determine the odds of there being a female 
dj booked for NYE at this particular event.
Directly after I got done with my show (at midnight, champagne spraying, 
my stomach hurts, my brain is throbbing etc.)  one of the dancers (the 
pink haired one with the holographic miniskirt) comes up to me and says 
"hey, I want to become a DJ but I can't get booked because I'm female."  
That's strange, I say, every female I know gets offers for gigs 
constantly.  Even before they get skills down, and once they do there's 
plenty of work.   But this one wants to spin in the clubs, cause she 
spins disco.   Oh, I say, the clubs are probably harder and more sexist 
than the rave scene.   Anyway, she says, could I do her a favor and ask 
one of the djs if they could play a song for her, like a request ?   
Ummmm.  By this point Alec Empire is beginning the bludgeoning..... no, I 
don't think so, conversation over.
Fans of "affirmative action" type gestures should check out G-Files, a 
compilation of all female producers.  Dj Rap, Kelli Hands etc.    I guess 
from my own attitudes and perspective, this kind of project is 
unneccessary.... but maybe it is....
I know that Babes in Toyland roll their eyes everytime some dumbass 
journalists asks them questions about females in rock.   Come on !!!!!   
Its a dead issue, lets just talk music.  Almost all the mostly female 
bands in rock get plagued with this stupid issue over and over again.  
Its really boring and counter-productive.


10-4 over and out good buddy.
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Chris Sattinger 
reprogramming our reality through disco 

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>not to single out DBN for anything wrong in particular, as i have yet to 
>attend any of their events (sorry kurt!), but i do feel compelled to 
>briefly address ......

briefly ?   ;)


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In response to this pig turd about sexism and bondage @ the NYE thang in
Milw. .....
Fat fucking larvae eater jelly donut maker fuck fuck fuck fuck
>From now on i call for a boycott of all rave parties until they have more
porn, more sexist crap, more strippers, and all out lesbo sex action on the
dance floor, along with midgets, fatties, amputee's, cum guzzlers, retards,
bed wetters, chickens, assholes, fuckfaces, cocksuckers, pillow biters, rump
roasters, slim jims, pinko commie bastards, military assult vehicles, guns,
large dildo's for me to sit on, trained monkey's, DC-10 jets, penis pumps, a
full force of certified union truck drivers (fuck the scabs, you unamerican
assholes!!!!), a fleet of old taco eating 300+ pound pizza faces lubbing all
over the place and at least one indian. I also demand less fat pants wearing,
sucker sucking limp dicked, ass jivin', sucka ass, ain't never been to
alabama, glitter, glow stick, house nation, ass itching, complaining, PC,
communist, unpatriotic ecstacy heads running around trying to hug me, along
with the complete elimination of the acronym 'plur', any music under 1000
BPM, any fabric besides lycra, and a corn dog with fries. if my demands are
not met in a timely fashion, a will be forced to take covert military action
with my army of gimp slaves aquired through the Iran-contra mishap.....and
you think ollie north got off easy. discriminate the next fashion sucker you
see, that's a raver.  BIG BUBBA LIMPSHWITZ WHOOPIN SOME SERIOUS ASS YOU
HONKEY'S, etc., etc., etc.....

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outer limits  2.28.97  madison, wi

nick nice
chris sattinger
audiopimp
d*on
adeptus
nee high
christopher robin
charles e little

madison

free afterparty w/dopeass fruit bar

joint effort productions

more info forthcoming...


jon/dica


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coming THIS WEEKEND to madison....  608.282.9133

1.11.97  saturday   Madison, WI!

 
AWAAAAAAAAAAAKEN!

featuring djs:

gavin hardkiss  <!>
merrick brown  <!!!>
phantom 45    <!!!!!>

adeptus
kee
dhea

ITS GONNA GO OFF!  the bomb it will be!  and i can't find my real flier, other
wise id give y'all the big specifics.  but this is all that you need to know. 
and the info line:

To The Point:   608.282.9133      a radiant creation

IT'LL BE RAD!  and i encourage you to all come up.  ill help with crash space
if i need to and if i can .... and these promoters seem to really have it goin
on!!!  :D  latah!

jon/dica

np:  logic trance 2



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i got a new tape <thanx for the xmas present chris, you rock!  chris from
milwaukee, im referrin to!>


DAN EFEX - FREAKOUT!

this is my first hardcore experience from dan efex.  all tracks on the tape are
by the speed freak <and all of his aliases like wendy milan, b.c. kid, etc>....
one of my fave hardcore artists!

its SOOOOO good!  well mixed, and everything!

only complaints, and this could be my shitty ass car stereo... the levels seem
off on some of the tracks.... 

and i wish you would have played that "cocksucker cocksucker cocksucker
cocksucker  fuck my sister!" track longer... i didn't even hear the cocksucker
part!  maybe that's not in that song <cuz i have it on another tape, but it was
so smooth that i didnt think it was a mix..> but whatever!

awesome tape!  :D

jon/dica

np:  logic trance 2


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18 january 1997   madison, wi

BIORHYTHM

DRC    san francisco                    ADEPTUS     madison

a special 3 hour set from               always keeping the dancefloor
one of this hemisphere's top            packed, adeptus' uptempo style
djs - and wisconsin's favorite          will keep you moving
west-coast guest

SYMMETRY  hypnosomnia records           ILLUSION    appleton

q and nick kick will take you           the order of the trance's
deeper into acid trance than            tribal/techno warrior is surely
than you've probably ever been          one of wisconsin's best kept secrets

ANONYMOUS   madison

rest assured - junglists won't
be disappointed.

unbuttable, fully permitted <all nite> venue, about 22 minutes from madison

full blown audio and visual apparatus, manned by the master of trippy little
gadgets:  lazer bob

intelligent beverages and fruit kabobs by chillers

brought to you by:

eucalyptus      608.258.0098       and
population one  608.241.7677


jon/dica


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On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, eluna wrote:

I'd like to thank Ed for an extremely honest, intelligent, well thought
out non confrontational reply to this whole DBN thing....As a male
feminist with many feminist friends (male and female...and I really don't
want to get into the whole "Can you really be feminist if you're male
debate...you know what I mean) this issue is no stranger to me.....And I
think that there is a fine line here...No, I don't think the rave scene
should be cleaned up or made sterile in any way...But I think we all need
to be conscious (especially promoters) of how our decisions are going to
affect others......Separation, degradation, and animosity are all things
that our scene could do well without...Peace and love....

-Eric-   (rabidrat@iglou.com)
v-rave: huggybear!

"Angels have no mouths,                            "To try to be different
 to pray to God they dance,                         is to be normal"
 if you cannot dance, you                                   -Andy Warhol-
 cannot pray"                               
                                           


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On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Princess wrote:

> thoughts on sexism in society and in the scene....

Yes, I w think most people on here would agree with you that sexism is a
very big problem in society, and that for the most part the scene tends to
be a lot less sexist than society (and less racist, and less homophobic,
and less ignorant...I could go on)...which is precisely the reason I think
a lot of people are upset about this. People feel as though this shouldn't
be happening in the rave scene...But it did, and now we move on....i
wasn't at the party, so I don't know the extent of what was there, however
a lot of people are upset about it and I definitely think that that is a
problem...no one should be leaving a party feeling offended or disgusted,
that's not what raving is about...So even if /you/ personally (speaking to
everyone here, not just Princess) don't think that there is anything wrong
with what went on, you have to be consciouss of the fact that others were
offended, which simply should not be happening....The whole "Individual
rights are sacrificed for the good of the whole" philosophy needs to be
applied here, IMHO......Do I think that a boycott of DBN parties is in
order, no absolutely not....but I do think that DBN should reconsider what
they are going to do at future parties.....We are a very strong family,
with less hate than in any other group I've seen and by no means do I
think that this is an indication of how crappy this scene is getting or of
all the sexism in the scene, etc....I don't think that it was the wisest
choice for the evening...Peace and love... 

-Eric-   (rabidrat@iglou.com)
v-rave: huggybear!

"Angels have no mouths,                            "To try to be different
 to pray to God they dance,                         is to be normal"
 if you cannot dance, you                                   -Andy Warhol-
 cannot pray"                               
                                           


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:)

..Thanks jeff!


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Did anyone here go to that party in Cedar Rapids, IA on the 4th? the one
with DRC?  I'm curious how it turned out... DRC is rad.

chrisE!

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made it to mil...saw lots of people (previosuly mentioned) ....passed 
out flyers ...how do ya like?

music was good....total output is god....i need info on them    i 
want records from them..tapes/cds   wahtever    inform me

and now for the subj: 

what is up with all the milwaukee tweakers now?
did minneapolis (stereotypical yes but true) invade 
milwaukee....most all the non-mwrave kids i saw were tweaked ...speed 
phreaks.....   

and what was up with the afterhours...went around 10   and i arrived  
cops were already there...  inform me   what all happened?

we made our own afterhours   ..worried about matter, chrise, an megan 
 (she lost her keys  :(     crashed at 3 am the next day    slept 
long time

thank you dbn and supporting crews   bery nicely produced party
mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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Sorry that I couldn't get this post out about a week
ago, but I was having some trouble with posting to this
list.  That's all fixed now, so I still wanna send what I
tried to send before........

Hehe.....
Hope everybody had a fun & safe new year!  :)

......I spent my new years w/ my girly in New York where
the party went off 5000+ ppl strong until 9 am.  Havn't 
seen many reviews about the chicago party..(curious)..and 
it seems by the reviews, that the dbn party was quite pre-
dictable.....*shrug*.....but I wasn't there, so no input on that.

Anyways, here's a clipping from socal raves on what went
on in Los Angeles on new years eve.........


>From: Liquid53@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:16:48 -0500
>To: socal-raves@UCSD.EDU
>cc: RaVeKid9o9@aol.com, SlyRava@aol.com
>Subject: moment of silence for the victims of circa-long post
>
>My friends and family,
>
>   Before I go on, I'd like it to be known that there were fatalities, and
>for these kids, I'd like a moment of reflection deep within to fully
>understand the gravity of the situation at Circa.  And of course everyone
>knows about the wounded/poisoned.
>    We (me, Vannesa, Michelle, Charlie, Candice, and Leila) got to the party
>found a decent parking spot on the street and hooked up with some friends in
>line, in a matter of 5 minutes we started on one of the worst/best memories I
>have ever had...upon getting into the venue (the Grand Olympic Auditorium in
>Downtown LA) we were amazed at how tight everything looked, it seemed Cpu101
>had their shit together, I was impressed by the stages, the amount of
>security, and the fact that they had quite an impressive first aid room set
>up.  However someone didn't check how legit the vendors were.  About half an
>hour into the party, people started spreading the word on this great stuff
>you drank with E to make you seriously fucked up...in the "Have as much fun
>as you can New Years eve spirit" we were in, we promptly walked down to the
>(fucking) fX booth and got one each, 10 minutes after having injested the
>liquid which tasted like shit, and popping some pills, our friend Charlie who
>had disapeared popped outta nowhere and said he had just drank 3 and a half
>of them, he said he could barely walk and seemed like he was doing allright,
>promptly he disapeared again, 20 min later the music cut out and a guy
>started yelling that the liquid shit was killing people, and that people who
>were feeling bad should go to a security gaurd or first aid.  Remembering
>Charlie I got everyone together and went looking for him, I saw a big group
>of kids surround some poor bastard who had collapsed on his face, fucking our
>luck it was poor Charlie, the security picked him up and took him to first
>aid, later I found out that after having his stomach pumped and getting
>hooked up to a catheter, and living, a doctor told him to his face that he
>should have died. FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!  Anyways, that was just the icing on top
>of the cake cause next thing that we saw was a bunch of fuckers pushing in
>the gates, but hell, I'd probably push in the gates too if I was barred from
>getting in (which I heard was cause people got bunk tickets from blockbuster,
>whats up with that shit, anyone got information?).  So the next thing we
>witnessed was the arrival of riot control, seeing them freaked everyone out,
>and caused an understandable frenzy of people wondering what the fuck to
>do...in the meantime security started at one side of the parking lot and
>moved everyone to the back, where all of us who were right on the end saw to
>our dismay a nice long line of trigger happy "peace officers" pointing their
>guns right at kids and firing at will (now you see, what cops are suppose to
>do with their toys is to point them at the ground and fire so that the rubber
>bullets can bounce up and stun people, not seriously fucking injure poor kids
>who were Eing too hard to even put a fight if they wanted to) so everyone
>started a stampede to the nearest exit trying to avoid the blasts, by this my
>group of kids increased from 6 to 10 people including me, and we ran as fast
>as we could to the parking structure, where, leaving our cars behind and
>meeting up with a few more people, jumped into the back of our friend BD's
>truck and laid low, we all got a chance to breathe...then at 12:00 for 3
>minutes I saw smiles cross the faces of scared and bewildered partiers,
>crying faces turned to laughing ones, and then just as soon as the good vibes
>started to take hold, gun shots rang louder and the sad faces of the masses
>returned to thier original tear covered selves.  To make it worse, a cop came
>up to the floor we were on and as we waited for the shit to clear up, he
>pointed his shotgun into the bed where we all sat and said "GET THE FUCK
>OUTTA HERE"  I yelled for him not to shoot us, and he yelled back for us to
>fucking leave, I was strating to fear for our well being and I hit the back
>panel where BD was in the drivers seat and yelled for him to drive and for
>the cop not to shoot us, to tell the truth I think I was begging for him not
>to shoot, and I've never had to beg for anything like that in my life.  We
>immediately left and by some miracle avoided the cops and the kids who were
>running around scared...we drove right onto the freeway and right off at the
>next exit..and stopped at the first gas station we saw (ARCO) and had a small
>party there for a few hours, the vibes came back and we all had fun until
>some mean looking mexican guy in his beat down cadillac came up to us and
>said that we were on his "turf" and that if we didn't get the fuck outta his
>hood we were gonna get blasted, and since we were right in the middle of
>downtown LA we knew not to fuck with his shit...we left.  We paged our friend
>Charlie to make sure he was ok, he was, and we left back to Newport to BD's
>house where we kicked for about 4 hours, and finally got a ride back home.
> Though I was on the point of passing out, I called every kid I knew that hit
>the party and made sure they were all ok, they were, so I slept and woke up
>this morning, and I still cant get it outta my head.  
>    Thanks for hearing this out, and I am sooo sorry to all of you who feel
>like avoiding raves now or have formed a bitter opinion to the scene, I hope
>you can overcome, and understand that in the fucking end, everyone gets whats
>fucking coming to them!
>
>
>ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>P.L.U.R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>jimmi
>
>


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>i have seen a coupla posts asking if that mc in the space suit was kurt..
>ps - who was that mc anyway??

that was T.J. Richter. He's a performance artist from Milwaukee. Old
schoolers may remember him from Furthur the first year. He was the guy on
top of the stranded sound truck with a slide projector and a microphone.
Artists...

111
110



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sorrry this review of moist is so late...   but all i have to say is   
mark farina...      he stole the show   totally..!    the OM records guys 
said prior to the event that moist was farinas ohio  stop on his tour 
supporting his new cd..   they also mentioned promos ...  etc..    but 
this wasnt the case..      anyway  the mushroom jazz man had his shit 
together    completely...          and for all of you that havent heard  
the news ...   along with that new 2cd cdrom of his   mark just released 
a new dj tape called house construction ... or was it 
destruction...                 i had a smmooth time despite the carpeted 
dance floor!
						peace,	
							`john
PaRaNoRmAl.... .  .   .    .     .      .anaidnI

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Are any of the people of JUSTUS on mw-raves?  if so, can you please get 
in contact with me...
thanks 
fernando
(with Grahn Creative Group, and Acres Entertainment)

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i am leaving for europe tomorrow...still havent packed yet!
oh well...i am more concerned about making mixtapes, though :>
i am going to miss my tables!!!! bloody hell, matey! 
i am unsubbing until i get back on the 28th (this month)
private mails at the addy above..you cheeky monkey!
(pardon my english-english, mate)

bollocks!
john/dove


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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 22:03:42 -0600 (CST)
From: MARK <LANCAM01@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU>
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okay here it is:

       		Friday, January 10th & 11th, 1997

		    Chernobyl Farms presents

		the NUCLEAR WINTER WEEKEND 1997


***********************
on friday, january 10th-------------------


	I M P A K T

featuring extended sets by:

John Acquaviva - definitive records, ontario
  (spinning a special 4-6 hour set!!!)

Overdose - CF612

Werk - CF612

*****************************
and on saturday, january 11th--------------


    A F T E R S H O K

featuring tagteam sets by:

Boogie & Smooth - dancemania, CF312 chitown

Apollo - Communique, HeadintheClouds, Mpls
  &
Werk  - CF612
	
Slip - Missile UK
  &
Zelus - Hush productions, mpls

also:

Madkid & mc brace - J.V.C. 
mark_lancaster - CF320, CloudCityTranceformers, st. cloud
Grant Wish - making his mpls debut, orlando

-----------------
info line: (612) 257-7203
tickets will available at cynestasia @611 W Lake Street Minneapolis.

prices are $10 per night or
weekend passes will available for $16 on friday night

tix for IMPAKT will be limited to 400 on friday,
so arrive early to avoid missing john acquaviva...

other than that-
i'll see you all there..

mark


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You know... I missed all that scantilly clad stuff. Too bad, heard about it
tho... I think there should be dancers as well as pyrotechnics and funky shit
like that. It always is a mystery to see all these people stare at DJ'swhile
the spin. 

I think I'm trying to say something here.....


PliLH

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Some of you will certainly be interested in this....  Kc, I know you will 
be. :)

*peace&electroculture*

Megan/Princess

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:59:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Club Wired <club-wired-info@hotwired.com>
To: Club Wired <club-wired-announce@hotwired.com>
Subject: Talk.com events for week of 5 January, 1997
	
Thursday, 9 January
10 p.m. PST
MixMaster Morris, in Talk.com
                                
Electronic music without dance beats? Before you call MixMaster Morris'
music ambient, you should know that his attitude toward the record
industry is basically "you can't label music, or me, and here's why." By
sampling multiple symphonies for one track, spinning bottom-of-the-pile
B-sides, and foregoing the ever-popular Roland drum machine, Morris has
become the king of debunking music for music's sake as both critic and
musician. The result has been two indie-chart toppers, "Flying High"
(Instinct, 1993) and "Global Chillage" (Astralwerks, 1995), numerous EPs
in both the UK and US, and collaborations with the likes of Shamen,
 Spiritualized, and Jesus Jones. He also writes album reviews for "i-D",
"MixMag", and "NME" to name a few. Join us backstage at Club Ikon
Massive at 330 Ritch in San Francisco to chat it up with MixMaster
Morris, and listen to the following live broadcast of the MixMaster's
set.

 	http://www.talk.com
	
	

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HA HA HA HA HA HA......

well I think I disagree with you for the most part.....on the other hand,
absolutely nothing under 1000 bpm should EVER be played at a PARTEEEEE!!!!!!!
:D


peace & love ;)
Tim

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On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, jASON.111 wrote:

> >i have seen a coupla posts asking if that mc in the space suit was kurt..
> >ps - who was that mc anyway??
> 
> that was T.J. Richter. He's a performance artist from Milwaukee. Old
> schoolers may remember him from Furthur the first year. He was the guy on
> top of the stranded sound truck with a slide projector and a microphone.
> Artists...

THAT'S who that was. now i know why he annoyed me so much:)

thanks for the clarification.

cheers,
dylan

_____________________________________________________________________
| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            
| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            
| personal homepage: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet
| mw jungle page: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet/jungle


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in lieu of the fact that mouse hasnt been around to revise the 
mw-calendar (mousey come back to us!!! :), i'm going to go ahead and post 
information on a few upcoming ohio/indy events.

subscribers to the mw-raves-calendar list will probably receive this as
well, as one longer message.

apologies to mousey (i dont mean to go over her head), and yes i know it's
not wednesday yet, but i wanted to make sure this information was made
available in time to support two events coming up this weekend, one of
which features a special mw-appearance of robert hood, who rarely spins in
the US outside of detroit. 

sorry for any redundancies....and big smoochies to mouse, wherever she is!
++
e d

hyperreal mw rep


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fri jan 10 1997
springfield ohio (between columbus and dayton)

		::
		 pink
		    ::

1st room: trevor lamont | titonton | gary menichiello | kimyon | kaden |
          spinboy | mutt | set

2nd room: korey | dave mac | sparkle | dave b | alien x | ben | brian

proceeds will go to the arms of love aids research center and the boys and
girls club of dayton

senergy : 937.330.7835


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sat jan 11 1997
dayton ohio			      .
				     MUVMENT
					capricorn rising

stacey pullen - transmat - detroit_______________________________/
robert hood - axis | mplant - detroit___________________________/
DJ skull - d-jax - chicago_____________________________________/
akilah bryant - d-jax - live pa - chicago_____________________/
titonton - metamorphic | 21/22 corp - live pa - columbus_____/
perry ellis - cincinnati____________________________________/
kimyon - justus dayton_____________________________________/
divine - justus dayton____________________________________/

justus line: 513.496.4511

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.sun.19.jan.97.columbus.ohio.

.ele.mental.				             .
					       . '
					.ion.

   	   .featuring:
		.CHACHIE.
	   	  .(formerly.mellowman).c.b.s.cincinnati.
	     	   .STUFF.
		     .breakout.cleveland.
			.TREPP.
			   .just.us.dayton.
		       	     .DAN.CURTIN.
			      .metamorphic.peace.frog.cleveland.
		  	  .TITONTON.
		    	    .metamorphic.ele.mental.columbus.
			.DEVIL.GIRL.
		   	  .connect.st.louis.

 12mid-6am
a $6.00 event in celebration of the birth of the rev. MLK jr.
 table of ele_ments: 614.470.0929
   http://ele-mental.coil.com/what.will.be/

++
e d

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sat feb 15 - indianapolis

			<< --Mercury Project-- >>

featuring the detroit sounds of:
DJ t-1000 - d wynn - frogboy - and a special guest

plus: adam marshall - audio transit - lunar

nink productions - technology line: 317.871.2211

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fri 21 february * columbus ohio * an ele_mental ball

				  *
					  *
 			   s n o w  *
			        d r i f t
			    *

audio (1): 
* kingsize (new york) * billeebob (detroit) * paris mack (detroit) * 
drift (columbus) * + more tba

audio (2):
* gaga (live ambient/tribal/industrial pa) * timbient * + more 
experimental/ambient/trip-hop acts tba

table of ele_ments: 614.470.0929
http://ele-mental.coil.com/what.will.be/

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e d





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sat march 15th - central ohio
spank and haiku, in association with ele_mental present

		 	       indigo-}-}-}-}-}-}-}-}-}

with derrick carter (chicago), carlos (san fran), plus more tba

spank: 513.557.3867
table of ele_ments: 614.470.0929

++
e d

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(again, sorry for the barrage, this one is short and brief)

sat june 28 - central indiana

				-|  TIME  -|

an outdoor event featuring a phenomenal lineup tba

this is the time...

technology: 317.871.2289







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Does anyone know of software for the mac that does what Fasttracker does?

omphalos18@aol.com
or
doormouse6@aol.com

p.s. i like cheese (the smell)

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doormouse...

you are the fucking SHeeeeeeee-ITe beooootch!
TOTALLY off the fucking hook.

...you and me have ta party cowboy.
the SILENT listmembers are backin' YOU and DBN up brutha.

this is a DUMB fight.

sexism, schmexism - i wish i had been there. it's fuckin cold up there man,
without a pair of thighs to keep yer EARS warm they'd fuckin' freeze to
death!

the list needs to lighten up. period.

any hormonially charged flames welcome... ( and appreciated )  :|


long live porno.
dj kevy kev.
OLD fuckin' breakcore badboy



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Doormouse6@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In response to this pig turd about sexism and bondage @ the NYE thang in
> Milw. .....
> Fat fucking larvae eater jelly donut maker fuck fuck fuck fuck
> >From now on i call for a boycott of all rave parties until they have more
> porn, more sexist crap, more strippers, and all out lesbo sex action on the
> dance floor, along with midgets, fatties, amputee's, cum guzzlers, retards,
> bed wetters, chickens, assholes, fuckfaces, cocksuckers, pillow biters, rump
> roasters, slim jims, pinko commie bastards, military assult vehicles, guns,
> large dildo's for me to sit on, trained monkey's, DC-10 jets, penis pumps, a
> full force of certified union truck drivers (fuck the scabs, you unamerican
> assholes!!!!), a fleet of old taco eating 300+ pound pizza faces lubbing all
> over the place and at least one indian. I also demand less fat pants wearing,
> sucker sucking limp dicked, ass jivin', sucka ass, ain't never been to
> alabama, glitter, glow stick, house nation, ass itching, complaining, PC,
> communist, unpatriotic ecstacy heads running around trying to hug me, along
> with the complete elimination of the acronym 'plur', any music under 1000
> BPM, any fabric besides lycra, and a corn dog with fries. if my demands are
> not met in a timely fashion, a will be forced to take covert military action
> with my army of gimp slaves aquired through the Iran-contra mishap.....and
> you think ollie north got off easy. discriminate the next fashion sucker you
> see, that's a raver.  BIG BUBBA LIMPSHWITZ WHOOPIN SOME SERIOUS ASS YOU
> HONKEY'S, etc., etc., etc.....


Doormouse, you are WAY out there. :)
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Mark Khemmani wrote:
> FROM NOW ON,  I WILL TRY TO MAKE THE UTMOST EFFORT TO
> BOYCOTT DROP BASS NETWORK PARTIES--

too bad because your going to miss some great parties!

> thing about 'raves' was about equality amoung gender. 

i thought raves were about music, but i could be wrong.

> mouths where it is all obvious that the woman doesn't like it) is surely not
> my cup of tea and neither should it be anyone elses. I, personally, have
> nothing against porn. 

shouldn't be anyones cup of tea? but you have nothing against porn?


>degrading to 50% of the population. 

you mean degrading to some of the 50% of the population. i know many
women who are into this. some even ask for it if you can believe that.
they must be whores though, right?


>   TO Drop Bass Network: Please stop this porn trend or you'll be losing at
> least one less raver and thus one less 20 bill (though i wish it were $15

we have been doing what we want since 1992 - hardcore, satan worship,
porn, etc. etc. and the funyy thing is our parties get bigger and bigger
and we don't even use popular dj's most of the time to *lure* in those
rave kids. could it be that there are people who are actually into the
same shit as us. shiver at the thought.

> so keep it in mind. Besides I rather be fucked out of my mind looking at
> fractal and other psychedelic material.

boring boring boring shit. for hippies only.

> Your porn thing may be all a joke
> to you but it sure isn't to me

it's not to us either!

Dylan said:

>a third point that should be remembered is that drop bass network has 
>always been about hedonism, from it's early days of pure underground 
>satanic bliss to the current days of...well ok i cant really define 
>it.;) 
>but we're not to expect a moral lesson in a drop bass party, we're to 
>expect a crazy fun time. 

this is exactly what drop bass is about. we believe in decadance and
hedonism and techno music. we are a sex, drugs and rock-n-roll party. if
motley crue would do it we'd have them at a party too! but they got rid
of vince neal. shit, i was brought up on early heavy metal videos, these
were far worse in the portrayal of women than anything we have done. and
they were the number one thing in the country at the time! that doesn't
make it right, but it does show what a lot of people like. not what you
want them to think.

i suppose i could go on with how i think about all this, but it's
probably more dodgey than you can imagine. so i won't. expect no change
from us, not to do what you think is the popular oppinion. there are
other promoters who do that. we plan on an eternity in hell and are
preparing for that. from the life that many are leading they should also
prepare for this. add to all of this our recent trip to the burning man
festival where politically correct artist types were doing things that
would blow you easily offended mind - it's only going to get worse from
us. sorry.

jethrox

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(sorry i jumped the gun on this one, it's a _friday_ event)

fri march 14th - central ohio
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This was my first non-Furthur Drop Bass party. I thought it was really
well-done, except for the EXTREMELY shitty sound in the main room. If
you're gonna have top quality national and international acts at a large
event like this, why not invest in a sound system good enough to do these
acts justice??? I was very excited to hear Alec Empire, but the effect was
lost in that sorry excuse for a sound system.

As for the alleged sexism, I totally believe in testing people's
boundaries and making them feel uncomfortable in order to get a point
across, or making people THINK. Once a girl told me she didn't like one 
of my ambient sets because it made her "feel weird".  :)
But the "who cares, we don't need you" attitude that Kurt replied to
someone on this list with is really annoying. I thought we were all in
this together?? How about explaining WHY you had dancers and bondage
scenes?? Or if you're too arrogant to explain yourself, maybe you need to
look inside yourself and ask yourself why. This isn't meant to be a flame,
I love to push people to their limits, that's why I like hardcore as well
as ambient as well as house as well as jungle, etc.

You don't have to be the Slayer of the rave scene, even if it is
profitable. NEVER STOP QUESTIONING YOURSELF.

Hey, and don't put down that boringhippyfractalmind shit, it lead to some
pretty interesting places, if you can let down your walls.  ;)


peace and love...  ;)

 j-Sun


this was not meant to be disrespectful to Drop Bass at all, I thought that
the party was one of the most well put together parties in a while, and
definitely the best New Year's party I've been to.



          "NO RED LIGHTS IN '97!!!"


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as a woman i *personally* don't enjoy degrading pornography, but when i spent
my $20 -odd bucks to go to kurt's party, i knew from the get-go there would
be a strong possibility porno of that type would be aired during the evening.

the point is, you vote with your dollar. if you don't like controversy and
things that might disturb you, don't go to a drop bass party. if you didn't
know that before, now you do.

if anything, the exhibition of porno at the party was positive because if it
did disturb or upset people, at least it got them thinking (as witnessed by
this thread here) and perhaps raised awareness among those reading this list
who might've never thought about sexism before.

on a broader level, porno, "exotic dancing" etc has and always will exist and
there will always be strong arguments both for and against it. however,
sexism doesn't begin and end with pornography. rather, if we all just treated
each other the way we ourselves want to be treated, a lot of sexism and other
nasty isms would disappear...(how about that for a new year's resolution??)

just a thought (or two)

rhiannon

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I was wondering if anyone heading east for dayton to go to Movement on 
saturday would be passing through champaign, IL.  if so, i would greatly 
appreciate a ride.  i could probably get the driver into the party at no 
cost.
thanks
fernando                                   

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I don't know how it is elsewhere... but Chicago needs more nudity... more
vulgarity... MORE SOMETHING!! It's getting lame and I don't like it one bit!
Blah! That's what describes Chicago- BLAH!!! I figure that most Chi-town
partygoers never hear what's going on on-line... nor do I think they really
care.

Maybe that's the problem with Chicago.... NOBODY CARES ANYMORE. It's just ME
ME ME! Look at ME!! I know him &  her and I'm on this that and the other
thing. No risks are taken by anybody to 1)enjoy themselves, 2) meet new
people and 3) have a good fuckin
time (i think that goes with #1)....


What do I know... 


Phil



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Ok, LAST feed on this, but need ta tie up some loose ends.

In response to Prof. Earache:
 The ARA in Cincy is the Sharps, and the Sharps are the ARA here.
  Guess its just another shitty Cincy thing :(
In response to Walter Smith:
 Your response really saddened me bruh...
 You can fight violence w/ violence if brought against you,
  thats your right, but not always the best plan.
 But you fight ignorance w/ propaganda. Period.

 originally ignorant
 formerly knowledgeable
 currently hypocritical		-Jason  :P
   _________________________________________________
  /     Jason C. Heikenfeld  jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu
 /      phat eveready kat freestylin though the nine
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Tits, Dicks, Pussies, & Pricks.... got 'em... use 'em....



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has anyone noticed the sudden, unannounced *ABSENCE* of one of the greatest
shows of all time?  anyone with info please inform me!!  it's gone!  gone,
all gone!  not listed in the on-screen guide at all, and rocky and
bullwinkle have taken its time slot!

...help...

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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At 06:22 PM 1/6/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Did anyone here go to that party in Cedar Rapids, IA on the 4th? the one
>with DRC?  I'm curious how it turned out... DRC is rad.
>
>chrisE!
>
>
I went, it was a rad party, the djs were great. They had all kinds of djs
there, went from acid to hardcore to jungle to trance to ambient. It was
totally fun. The vibe was cool there as well. The cops were gonna shut it
down i guess so they made it a lock-in! No one in and no one out after 2.
DRC totally went off, she remembered me too, haven't seen her in like 2 and
a half years and she still totally recognized me, gave me a big warm fuzzy.
too bad shes going on tour to hungry and those places for awhile so wonb't
be seeing her around as much :( I supppose my night was colored by the fact
that i saw DRC(my favorite DJ in the world)so anytime i see her the night
is always awesome. It was real fun to finally here some good trance at a
party so i could get my feet upto 300 bpm and float away. Sorry for the
shortness of this but i'm not the best at writing reports, suffice to say
this party and dbn nye give me hope that the midwest actaully has something
to compare to west coast parties.

peace & muchlove,

-jeff


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Charles J. Clark wrote:
> 
> This was my first non-Furthur Drop Bass party. I thought it was really
> well-done, except for the EXTREMELY shitty sound in the main room.

i agree and appologize, the sound was shit. it was good at first, but
along the way it went sour. it was mostly because of the techs who were
running it. i heard this system at a couple of large arena concerts and
it rocked there, but that was with a different set of people behind the
wheel. it sucks though because there are no good sound companies for
large events like this. diversified of chicago uses ev-mt which i can't
stand most of the time. frenche doesn't have enough power and neither
does our sound of choice - badger. these new guys do arenas so it seemed
natural. maybe another time.

> As for the alleged sexism, I totally believe in testing people's
> boundaries and making them feel uncomfortable in order to get a point
> across, or making people THINK. 

i don't even think about testing boundaries to make a point. there is no
point. we just keep trying to push the line further and further in a
direction most consider wrong. the only thinking people should do is for
and about themselves. 

> But the "who cares, we don't need you" attitude that Kurt replied 

you misunderstood my attitude. i'm positive brother. 

> this together?? How about explaining WHY you had dancers and bondage

no reason really. we just like chicks and we like them dressed that way.
they actually asked us if they could do it. why would we say no. no guys
asked us to dance half naked and i wasn't about to look for any because
i like girls. actually doormouse probably wanted to get down, but i
think it would have been more to get with the girls... 

> You don't have to be the Slayer of the rave scene, even if it is
> profitable. 

were not the slayer of the rave scene. we are drop bass and thats it.
not because its profitable (why would anyone think it would be since it
is so out of place) but because it's what we like.
 
> Hey, and don't put down that boringhippyfractalmind shit, it lead to some
> pretty interesting places, if you can let down your walls.  ;)

i doubt it. hippy shit is just that.

jethrox

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At 02:58 PM 1/5/97 -0600, Mark Khemmani wrote:
>I normally don't post any reviews about parties because everyone has
>there own taste in music, but this is one party that I must respond to.
>FROM NOW ON,  I WILL TRY TO MAKE THE UTMOST EFFORT TO
>BOYCOTT DROP BASS NETWORK PARTIES--at least until they get rid of
>this sexist crap. 
Dang i was there from when it opened and on and i dinna even see any of the
porn stuff, oh well. Where was it anyways, i was in all the rooms all night
and i dinna see a thing, but then again i was too busy dancing and
socializing to notice it. Porn at raves don't bother me much, i don't see
it as sexist, would it be sexist if naked guys were walking around as well?
Maybe they should have both at future parties to make it better..

peace

-jeff


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if dbn didn't use porn, how would they attract the 60+ crowd?

:P

<note, ive not been to a dbn party yet.  but im plannin to go to furthur this
year!!!  so.  muahhahaha!>

and as for the fractal shit... I AM A HIPPY AND I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE.  

<note: for those of you who know/have met me... [snicker]>

so... why did i even post?

jon/dica

np:  dica - i don't have a title for this tape.  do you expect creativity? 
damn, its just music!  you gangsta beeyotches!


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for those of you about to rock, we salute you.

so, is anyone gonna be needing a ride to awaken in madison?  someone who lives
in the vicinity of madison?  cuz i'd like to meet new people and take advantage
of them!  bahaha!  just kidding.  :P

jon/dica

np:  dica and his band of merry men.


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You wrote: 
>
>has anyone noticed the sudden, unannounced *ABSENCE* of one of the 
greatest
>shows of all time?  anyone with info please inform me!!  it's gone!  
gone,
>all gone!  not listed in the on-screen guide at all, and rocky and
>bullwinkle have taken its time slot!
>
>...help...
>
>take two of these and thank me in the morning,
>michael
>allroy

    Which show??

jess/madison


>
>http://www.angelfire.com/free/mmccusty.html
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>
>
>


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Cartoon Planet is still on, but it's only on Fridays and Saturdays now... 
I forget the exact times.. although I remember seeing a hilarious add 
with Brak complaining that they've been cut down to two days a week.

-Jason

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Okay, first, that's a good question.  I was going to ask that one:  why
aren't there any female Dj's???

Second, GET A LIFE YOU FREAKISH BASTARD!!!  Oh GOD, I thought techno
brought in intellegent people, not morons like Doormouse6.  Of you think
you're going to take over the world with gimps, then you better look in
the mirror, cos' it'll be the blind leading the blind.

Too new on this list to flame, but open to them himself,

TheWarrior?

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On November 1, 97.7 FM vanished from the Minneapolis/St.Paul radio dial
when the FCC siezed the transmitter of the Twin Cities' only all-dance
music radio station, Beat Radio.  Minneapolis is one of the few major
cities without a station like beat radio.  We've waited long enough, and
now we're fighting back.  If you want to help out fellow house culture
enthusiasts and Dj's like yourself fight censorship and help the
Minnesota market get what it longs for, actions speak louder than words. 
Please send a donation of any size to:

The Beat Radio Defense Fund
P.O. Box  3333
Minneapolis MN 55403

Visit them on the web at:  www.beatworld.com

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>this party and dbn nye give me hope that the midwest actaully >has something
to compare to west coast parties.
>
>peace & muchlove,
>
>-jeff

Well, actually I know that Vancouver B.C. and LA both had shitty New Years
parties.....they were both busted before midnight.....I don't know how San
Francisco went (probably kicked arse)......Seattle had THREE MAJOR
COMMERCIALSHINDIGS THAT ALLLLLL SUCKED....ALTHOUGH, there was a party thrown
by Starseed that was one hell of an intimate gathering of local DJs and
undergrounders (WOOHOO :)

That's about it out west, anyways.....good and bad just like anywhere else in
this world......


peace & love :)
Tim



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OK, BIG QUESTION.....

HOW, WHAT OR WHY DO YOU CHOOSE WHAT YOU DO FOR PLEASURE, IN REGARDS TO MUSIC,
HIPPIES, THE RAVE SCENE, SEXISM, AND SUCH TOPICS THAT REALATE TO TECHNO IN
GENERAL??????


well now I'll give you a straight forward answer for myself.....

SOMETIMES:  I Looooove that music that tweeks with the head....the little
bubbly blippy bleeps that fuck with the receptor in the back brain (oooh,
almost had an analog orgasm).....I could call it 'intellegent' but someone
might smaK me.....

OTHERTIMES:  I Loooooove that music that's sooooo incredibly fast that it
breaks the sound barrier about 100000000000times over.......and *HARD HARD
HARD HARD* four on the floor kicking 909 rhythms.......I feel like I'm at the
top of the world and naked women just make me dance even HaRDeR (a different
kind of orgasm, I guess ;) ......I could call this music HARDCORE, or perhaps
the cheaper alternative to JENNY CRAIG ;)


but anyways, I'd like to hear what everyone else digs.......


peace & love & violence & hate & .....ahhh just fuck me.....
Tim Circles

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On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Jethrox wrote:

>>don't put down that hippyfractalshit..it can take you to
> > pretty interesting places, if you can let down your walls.  ;)
> 
> i doubt it. hippy shit is just that.

indeed. get a haircut, hippy.;)

cheers,
dylan
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On Tue, 7 Jan 1997 thewarrior@juno.com wrote:> 
> On November 1, 97.7 FM vanished from the Minneapolis/St.Paul radio dial
> when the FCC siezed the transmitter of the Twin Cities' only all-dance
> music radio station, Beat Radio.  Minneapolis is one of the few major
> cities without a station like beat radio.  We've waited long enough, and
> now we're fighting back.  If you want to help out fellow house culture
> enthusiasts and Dj's like yourself fight censorship and help the
> Minnesota market get what it longs for, actions speak louder than words. 

EXCEPT FOR DAN DOORMOUSE! THAT SICK HOUSE HATING BASTARD HAS *NO* RIGHT 
TO SAY WHAT HE WANTS!

rave on, PLUR, etc.:P

dylan
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>Charles J. Clark wrote:
>> 
>> This was my first non-Furthur Drop Bass party. I thought it was really
>> well-done, except for the EXTREMELY shitty sound in the main room.
>
>Jethrox, dark rave lord saieth :
>i agree and appologize, the sound was shit. it was good at first, but
>along the way it went sour. it was mostly because of the techs who were
>running it.

Yeah, they were not turning up the live acts loud enough at all !!  All 
of us had to turn our own mixers up until they distorted just to get a 
decent level on the system.  Except Fred G. who just stayed quiet :)   I 
even did the old "sound man is your enemy" trick and gave them a fake 
level check and then turned it up just as I started. Still way too low. I 
know that sounds unprofessional (but its an old professionals trick), but 
they always blow the start of a set by not turning it up loud enough.   
Its kind of hard to start out with a bang, you always have to build up to 
it.   They were doing the same thing to DJs later on.


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>
>On Tue, 7 Jan 1997 thewarrior@juno.com wrote:> 
>> On November 1, 97.7 FM vanished from the Minneapolis/St.Paul radio dial
>> when the FCC siezed the transmitter of the Twin Cities' only all-dance
>> music radio station, Beat Radio.  Minneapolis is one of the few major
>> cities without a station like beat radio.  We've waited long enough, and
>> now we're fighting back.  If you want to help out fellow house culture
>> enthusiasts and Dj's like yourself fight censorship and help the
>> Minnesota market get what it longs for, actions speak louder than words.

Sorry, but this is not a censorship issue, its merely a licensing issue.  
Censorship is a vital subject in the US, please do not confuse it with 
the FCCs regulations.   They SHOULD license more airwaves, are very 
archaic (radio K has to shut down at sunset !)  and conservative, but 
that is a separate issue.  Please do not use the word censorship.  
Fighting back ?   huh ?

10-4 over and out good buddy.
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First off, probably Chris can answer this, was the reason that the speakers
were popping during Reese's set was because he turned up the mixer till they
startered popping because the sound wasn't loud enough.  I figured at the time
that was the reason, but what you were all saying about the sound kind of made
me more confindent about it all.

Second about the porn and all that shit.  I basically think that videos as a
hole are a waste at parties.  No matter what they show, the only reason i would
look at them is if i'm too drugged out to dance or whatever.  I spent almost
the hole night in the main room and maybe saw a total of 1 minute of the video
so my answer to those of you who don't like it, why are you watching it
anyways.  Fuckin Dance.  Than it you won't see it.

Actually the more i think about it, why do we have video stuff at parties.  I'm
not saying that i don't like it, but i don't goto the parties to watch things,
i go to dance, and that's why everyone should go.  The only people i have ever
really noticed paying attention to the videos for an extended time our the
people cracked out on so much drugs that they can't dance, and i would rather
not have them there anyways for they get in my way when i'm trying to dance.

the only area video belong i think is in a chill room where people are sitting
down anyways and they won't get in the way of the people that are dancing.


--
joff
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
-- Albert Einstein


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>Okay, first, that's a good question.  I was going to ask that one:  why
>aren't there any female Dj's???
There are. Look around: DRC, Gabbergirl, Miss DJAX, Day of Delight, Miss
Kitten, Etc.

>Second, GET A LIFE YOU FREAKISH BASTARD!!!
WoooHooo. Aren't we all freakish in our own ways? Actually that's a
question with only one answer.

>Oh GOD, I thought techno brought in intellegent people, not morons like
>>Doormouse6.
Doormouse is quite intellegent. He would have to be to fit as many profane
and taboo words, phrases and ideas into one post as he has proven he can do
so well. It's a form of creative expression in which he excels. The boy is
an artist...

>Doormouse6 (?)
(where are Doormouses 1-5? -j.)

>Too new on this list to flame
You said it.

Might I suggest some deep breathing exercises? Meditation helps also.
Focus, Grasshopper.

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>On November 1, 97.7 FM vanished from the Minneapolis/St.Paul radio dial
>when the FCC siezed the transmitter of the Twin Cities' only all-dance
>music radio station, Beat Radio.

I'm interested to know: what was the reson for the seizure? Pirate station?
DO tell.

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>Well, actually I know that Vancouver B.C. and LA both had shitty New Years
>parties.....they were both busted before midnight.....I don't know how San
>Francisco went (probably kicked arse)......Seattle had THREE MAJOR
>COMMERCIALSHINDIGS THAT ALLLLLL SUCKED

Let us not forget the party turned POLICE ACTION in Los Angeles known as
"Circa" and thrown by CPU101. Overdoses, riot gear, tear gas, rubber
bullets. The whole enchalada. Go Babylon!!!

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>On Tue, 7 Jan 1997 thewarrior@juno.com wrote:>
>> On November 1, 97.7 FM vanished from the Minneapolis/St.Paul radio dial
>> when the FCC siezed the transmitter of the Twin Cities' only all-dance
>> music radio station, Beat Radio.  Minneapolis is one of the few major
>> cities without a station like beat radio.  We've waited long enough, and
>> now we're fighting back.  If you want to help out fellow house culture
>> enthusiasts and Dj's like yourself fight censorship and help the
>> Minnesota market get what it longs for, actions speak louder than words.
>
>EXCEPT FOR DAN DOORMOUSE! THAT SICK HOUSE HATING BASTARD HAS *NO* RIGHT
>TO SAY WHAT HE WANTS!


3 CHEERS FOR SOLIDARITY!!!

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Joff wrote:
>Actually the more i think about it, why do we have video stuff at parties.  I'm
>not saying that i don't like it, but i don't goto the parties to watch things,
>i go to dance, and that's why everyone should go.  The only people i have ever
>really noticed paying attention to the videos for an extended time our the
>people cracked out on so much drugs that they can't dance, and i would rather
>not have them there anyways for they get in my way when i'm trying to dance.


BINGO...Some of the best parties I've been to had little or no lighting,
tons of fog (not able to see your own hands), and vibe so thick you could
cut it w/ a knife (cliche. i know.) I prefer to dance w/ my eyes closed
anyway. It allows for more focus the be placed on the music. I don't go to
raves for visual stimuli. although, they do well in chill rooms (of couse
milwaukee hasn't really given the chill room an honest try yet. it would be
nice, though. maybe some ambient parties. Hmmm...)

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"pornography"...from the Greek pornographos it means "writing of harlots."
Not necessarily obscenity, just coitus.  The depiction of a sexually
explicit act is very much a different idea as the abuse of a bodily or
personal function that causes a reaction of disgust.

Ahh, the politics of liberation.  Afterall, this (I feel) is the basic idea
behind this thread.

 Liberation is a fun word...freedom, all thatjazz, is what we all would
like to believe we are attempting to obtain in whatever way/s we can.
Obviously, in that sense pornography can go two ways.  As does my view of
it.  On one hand, there are the people who enjoy pornography.  They produce
it, they consume it, they are entertained by it.  Hell, I would venture the
assumption that we've all been in a XXX-Rated Sex store at least once.
Just by entering it we are, in a sense, consuming it.  There are walls upon
walls of pornographic material...movies, home videos, magazines, 8 x 10
glossies, etc.  There is obviously a decent monetary market for the stuff.
These people have the right to express themselves.  These people have the
right to access their routes of pleasure.  Whatever trips your trigger,
afterall.

On the other hand the pornography where people are involved against their
will is seriously wrong in my mind.  (And yes, a hefty percentage of
pornagraphy involves force, whether it be through drugs, or manipulation of
innocence, or physical force.)  I am quite disturbed when I see films or
magazines of this nature.  Most times the person--usually a child or
woman--who is subjected to the forced sexual acts has a history of
prostitution, incest, is a rape victim, a victim of being tortured, of
being bought and sold in several different senses of the words.  Force like
this provides a poorschool for the human intellect and heart.  Often times
the only person capable of knowing a victim deserved better than what they
get are those not directly involved...the audience.  Is anyone following me
on this?  A quote from Linda Marchiano (of -Deep Throat- ... I know of at
least one other person on the list who has seen it) goes like this...
"every time someone watches that film, they are watching me being raped."
Ask anyone who is even remotely familiar with pornography and they will
tell you that this movie is a classic.  And in some senses of the word and
that world, it is a classic.  It is, as a clerk at The Lava Lounge in
Minneapolis once told me, 'Old Skool Porn.'  A harbinger of sexual
servitude, if you will.

Another pornography "actress" who remains un-named (for some reasons which
are obvious to me...I would remain un-named too if I could say this
truthfully) made this remark: "I'm an incest survivor, ex-pornography
model, and ex-prostitute.  My incest story begins before preschool and ends
many years later--this was with my father.  I was also molested by an uncle
and a minister. . . my father forced me to perform sexual acts with men at
a stag party when I was a teenager . . . My father was my pimp in
pornography.  There were three occasions from ages nine to sixteen when he
forced me to be a pornography model . . . in Nebraska, so, yes, it does
happen here..."

And yet another un-named woman: "I was not even sixteen years old and my
life reality consisted of sucking cocks, posing nude, performing sexual
acts and actively being repeatedly raped."
Not the type of thing that I care to actively consume.  *sighs*  Stuff like
that disgusts me,on numerous levels.  But I could be alone on that.
Everyone is different.  Different perspectives...just because  pornography
is misogynistic, gyno-thanatic, and degrading doesn't necessarily
constitute (to me) the need for legal repression of it.
Until we can all decide upon a collective definition of what is "obscene,"
there is no way that we can rightfully repress pornography.  Obviously,
some people did not care for the style (hard-core porn) presented at DBN
NYE.  Good for them, they can certainly boycott if they want to.  But
equally as obvious is an appreciation for the material presented...by those
in DBN who are trying to make a point, by those who openly enjoy such
material regardless of the setting, and by those who like to repress any
idea that has potential of repressing them later.  "The best defense is a
good offense," said Mel (the cook on T.V. show -Alice-).  Which is usually
cool.  But in reference to this particular topic I have to quote Gloria
Steinem:  "Look at any depiction of sex in which there is clear force, or
an unequal power that spells coercion.  It may be very blatant, with
weapons of torture or bondage, wounds and bruises, some clear humiliation,
or an adult's sexual power being used over a child.  It may be much more
subtle: a physical attitude of conqueror and victim, the use of race or
class to imply the same thing, perhaps a very unequal nudity, with one
person exposed and vulnerable while the other is clothed. In either case,
there is no sense of equal choice or equal power."

Holy repression, batman.  Equality...such a nice word.  Such a fantasy.  It
makes me sad.

But personally if I were to attend a DBN event I would *expect* something
hardcore.  Its been their underlying theme for how long now?  I don't
expect them to change, and don't want them to.  Its part of their spirit,
makes 'em different from a lot of others, and I respect that.  I don't
necessarily agree with it in *all* senses, and subsequently don't always
*like* what they do, but at times respect is much more important than
liking something.  Its most definitely much harder to earn.
Okay, enough of me for now.

Always,
Erinaceous
Mad as a Hatter!
 ;-}

[Hey, kids.  Don't take life too seriously...nobody gets out alive anyway.]

***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***
If you wish to glimpse inside a human soul and get to know an individual,
don't bother analyzing one's way of being silent, of talking, of weeping,
of seeing how much he or she is moved by noble ideas; you will get better
results if you just watch a person laugh. If one laughs well, one is a
good person.
***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***
Yet another fun Monty quote:

". . .and yes, i would love to go to the poetry reading tomorrow evening
with you.  i will not, of course, feel obligated to sleep with you afterwards,
EVEN IF you buy me  diner.  i mean dinner.  Well, i probably wouldn't feel i
owed you sex if you bought me a diner either, but that's beside the point.
No wait, that is the point.  Sexual acts in exchange for material wealth is
bad.  And illegal in most states, if i'm not incorrect."




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On 1/8/97, blarfunkular (Chris Sattinger) amazingly wrote the following
tezzagipshunt:

   They SHOULD license more airwaves, are very
>archaic (radio K has to shut down at sunset !)  and conservative, but
>that is a separate issue.  Please do not use the word censorship.
>Fighting back ?   huh ?


        Whats interesting is who has control over a large part of the
bandwidth.  The military of course.  Silly if you ask me.. Who gave these
people the authority to license what is broadcast over what specific
protion of the electromagnetic spectrum? ooo.. son, you're gonna have to
take off that red flashing light you have on your coat, since the red
portion of the spectrum is reserved for the military.

I know, silly example, but I havn't slept yet.





                                               -jp
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                                               <randomly stimulating>



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>        Whats interesting is who has control over a large part of the
>bandwidth.  The military of course.  Silly if you ask me.. Who gave these
>people the authority to license what is broadcast over what specific
>protion of the electromagnetic spectrum?

and, don't be naive. They are experimenting with the spectrum. Specifically
ultra-low frequency waves. They've been using them for everything from mind
control to weather control. Sounds paranoid, eh? Check:
                            www.artbell.com

111



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On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Erinaceous wrote:

> "pornography"...from the Greek pornographos it means "writing of harlots."
> Not necessarily obscenity, just coitus.  The depiction of a sexually
> explicit act is very much a different idea as the abuse of a bodily or
> personal function that causes a reaction of disgust.
 
  obscenity is a little tough to define since its perimeters vary from 
one person to the other.  furthermore, it's fun to derive words from their 
ancient roots, however, it ends up ignoring the present connotations of 
the words.  granted, the whole erotica vs. pornogrophy debate proposed by 
gloria steinem in the 70's doesn't really hold up anymore, but it sheds some 
light on this whole, dancing 'harlots' in the rave scene question.
erotica for steinem is sexually-driven art form that exalts sex and the 
people taking part in it.  pornography has to do with power issues and 
objectifying people into sexual objects.  i don't know what occured on 
new year's eve at the drop bass party, but i could see how the apparent
objectification of women as sex toys could be very offensive to both 
women and men.  even for hedonism's sake.  hedonism does not necessarily 
entail the objectification of women.
 
>  Liberation is a fun word...freedom, all thatjazz, is what we all would
> like to believe we are attempting to obtain in whatever way/s we can.

more than Liberation, i think the issue at hand is Respect.  we all have 
preferences, and its preferences and acting on those preferences that 
gets stuff done.  but as said a billion times before concerning this 
issue, one has to be conscious of the ramifications of those actions on 
other people.  i think that's why this open forum is great because it lets 
you realize the different preferences people have, which lends to some 
self-examination, and some degree of objectivity.

> glossies, etc.  There is obviously a decent monetary market for the stuff.
> These people have the right to express themselves.  These people have the
> right to access their routes of pleasure.  Whatever trips your trigger,
> afterall.

there is also a market for snuff films (aka films the show the the 
real-life raping and killing of a women).  a lot of different things trip 
people's triggers, but 
there are some things that are not suitable for public display.  maybe if 
people stop to think that what makes Them feel like a hedonistic "little 
bad boy/girl", makes Others feel violated.  and those others include 
their audience and their supporters. 

i don't know, just wanted to respond to excellently written and 
thought-out post.  i obviously left out the more illustrious parts of 
your argument.
till later
fernando

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At 04:52 PM 1/7/97 -0600, Jethrox wrote:
>Mark Khemmani wrote:
>> thing about 'raves' was about equality amoung gender. 
>
>i thought raves were about music, but i could be wrong.

u r incorrect, sir... raves are about introversion, self-pity and social
degradation. I know 'cause I asked the rave god and he told me. Besides,
don't u see these phenomenae appearing more frequently and in higher
magnitudes? That's what it's all about. Oh yeah I almost forgot. It's also
about hate. Surely, not music, tho...

>> mouths where it is all obvious that the woman doesn't like it) is surely
not
>> my cup of tea and neither should it be anyone elses. I, personally, have
>> nothing against porn. 
>
>shouldn't be anyones cup of tea? but you have nothing against porn?

Earl Grey with a twist of oral sex. that's my cup of tea.

>>degrading to 50% of the population. 
>
>you mean degrading to some of the 50% of the population. i know many
>women who are into this. some even ask for it if you can believe that.
>they must be whores though, right?

over half the population is already degraded. That's what raves are all about.

>> so keep it in mind. Besides I rather be fucked out of my mind looking at
>> fractal and other psychedelic material.
>
>boring boring boring shit. for hippies only.

I must agree here. Only rippies, like me, enjoy that crap. Pretty
graphical/mathematical images are bad for the soul. Staring into the crotch
of a really sleezy bitch, now that's fullfilling.

>> Your porn thing may be all a joke
>> to you but it sure isn't to me
>
>it's not to us either!

Hmmm, I thought it was funny? Guess, I didn't get it.

>Dylan said:>
>>a third point that should be remembered is that drop bass network has 
>>always been about hedonism, from it's early days of pure underground 
>>satanic bliss to the current days of...well ok i cant really define 
>>it.;) 
>>but we're not to expect a moral lesson in a drop bass party, we're to 
>>expect a crazy fun time. 
>
>this is exactly what drop bass is about. we believe in decadance and
>hedonism and techno music. we are a sex, drugs and rock-n-roll party. if
>motley crue would do it we'd have them at a party too! but they got rid
>of vince neal. shit, i was brought up on early heavy metal videos, these
>were far worse in the portrayal of women than anything we have done. and
>they were the number one thing in the country at the time! that doesn't
>make it right, but it does show what a lot of people like. not what you
>want them to think.

I heard a radio interview with their drummer and he said they're gonna get
back together for a tour. Jethrox, u might want to give them a call...

>i suppose i could go on with how i think about all this, but it's
>probably more dodgey than you can imagine. so i won't. expect no change
>from us, not to do what you think is the popular oppinion. there are
>other promoters who do that. we plan on an eternity in hell and are
>preparing for that. from the life that many are leading they should also
>prepare for this. add to all of this our recent trip to the burning man
>festival where politically correct artist types were doing things that
>would blow you easily offended mind - it's only going to get worse from
>us. sorry.

kewl. jethrox seems to know what partying is all about. why doesn't anyone
else (including me) get it? BTW, "hell" doesn't even really exist. Well,
unless you buy advance tickets, show up at the party, wait in line for
three hours and get in only to have it shut down by the pigs, immediately.
That's hell.

If you take me seriously... it's your problem,
matter

P.S. I did enjoy DBN NYE and really, if anyone don't like the video they
always have the option of ignoring it. The girls on stage are a different
story, but I liked them, I think?


I'm smiling because I don't understand myself. :)
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just a point that i think should be kept in mind- i think that 
femenism is about the power of women to make choices concerning their own 
lives, to have control over their own actions. having said that, rembeber 
what kurt said- those women on stage chose and ASKED to perform. 

as for the issue of dancing vs watching visuals/dancing girls/djs/a flyer 
that fell to the floor that looks neat......i don't have  much stamina in 
my body since deciding to do these things sober and i basically spend a 
lot of the night in the corners listening and for the djs i simply MUST 
see (like tha one like tha phantom) i go to the front of the stage area 
and watch and dance at the same time (ez to do when groovin to that 
bassline). i was practicing the policy of "if you dont like it dont watch 
it" as far as the dancers went because i was concentrating on 
brian/phntom's set...but it got to the point of impossibility when they 
were all in my face. but had i been back in the crowd, i dont see how a 
problem could have occurred. after all there WAS a back stack of speakers 
to work with as well.

just a few thoughts.

cheers,
dylan

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hey everybody, i just wanted to say goodbye as i am leaving for spain in
exactly 4 hours!! i am going to be there for a semester to study at the
university of seville...my email there is cieesevi@adenet.es but it might be
kinda sketchy!  big hugs to kent and phil and everyone else on the list! i am
gonna miss u!!

paz, unidad, amor, respeto-

rhiannon :)

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>I basically think that videos as a
>hole are a waste at parties. 

heh heh heh ....you said hole...heh heh heh....

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On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, ricochet wrote:

> 
> just a point that i think should be kept in mind- i think that 
> femenism is about the power of women to make choices concerning their own 
> lives, to have control over their own actions. having said that, rembeber 
> what kurt said- those women on stage chose and ASKED to perform. 

in my opinion, this might be an over-simplification of what feminism is 
about.  i have the impression that if any one definition could cover all 
the different forms of feminism, it would be that of a movement that strives 
for equality among gender.  feminism in this case would be striving for 
a society where women can make choices without those choices reflecting 
the presence of a culture that stresses female objectification and 
subordination.  for the most part we all choose to do things, and many of 
those things we choose to do have some deeper significance, be it social, 
psychological, etc.  i think that's where the importance of choices lie.

if women choose to dance to a patriarchal beat, that's fine, but it's not 
feminist.

just a few thoughts
fernando

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apparently it's moved to friday nights, 11:30 pm.......no more every week 
night......<sigh>.........the commercials say not to worry, that the 
friday show will be "a doozy."........meebe they wanted to concentrate on 
quality, not quantity?? (like there was anything wrong with the quality :)


milkshake






On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, michael mccusty wrote:

> has anyone noticed the sudden, unannounced *ABSENCE* of one of the greatest
> shows of all time?  anyone with info please inform me!!  it's gone!  gone,
> all gone!  not listed in the on-screen guide at all, and rocky and
> bullwinkle have taken its time slot!
> 
> ...help...
> 
> take two of these and thank me in the morning,
> michael
> allroy
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/free/mmccusty.html
> **************************************************************************
> "it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
>                                            -derrick carter
> **************************************************************************
> 
> 
> 

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for all those who even remotely care .   i personally liked the 
pornography...no its not because i am "sick, twisted, a pervert, 
slime, etc"   its because its hilarious.  where else can you say to 
someone "i saw a video of a woman being tied down at new years eve at 
a 'rave' nonetheless"

my only question  where does demon puppet get that shit?    maybe on 
I-94 at the shops next to/near the mars cheese castle or maybe he 
found Juicy Lucy's private collection.   inform me


for all those uptight peeps out there...give it up...porn will neve 
die...becasue someone like me or jethrox or demon puppet will keep it 
going


mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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April 5th, 1997 Chicago, IL. USA

MISSION:UNDERGROUND-1997

Brought to you by MAJESTY.

Stay tuned....................

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welp just got back from my trip from cali. it was to say the
least very refreshing. nothing beats spending some quality
time w/ yur girley in a climate twenty degrees warmer than
dreery O-Hi-O. i'll spare y'all the fluffy details & get to
responding to some posts...

someone asked how NYE wuz in other cities...

welp as luck would have it, we missed the Cool World Party
in San Fran, turned out Lisa, the girl who we were s'posed
to stay with met w/ some unavoidable problems back @ home
in detroit & was unable to return in time for us to hook up
with, so we ended up stayin @ my cousin's place in san fran.
however what seemed like bad luck at the time later turned 
out to be good fortune later on...apparently the Cool World
Party wuz busted around 4am in the morning...here's a review
of it from SF-Raves...

=========( Cool World Review from SF-Raves )================

10:00 and it's time to start up the laser in the main room. 
On stage, on the runway, the crowd was being entertained by 
teeny-boppers, with the DJ way far from the front of the 
stage. Then comes the live performances.. o boy. They we're 
pretty good at that lip-syncing thing, besides that, they 
sucked. 

11:30ish, they're done performing (yay!), and Dj Ghost is 
on. I've only heard ghost a couple of times, and both times 
he's started his set with my oh-so-(un)favorite phone sex 
record. After that record had been playing for about a 
minute, I notice 3 new people on the runway, giving the 
crowd their own live (clothed) sex show.... lovely. After 
this, the stage becomes packed full of scantily-clad 
teeny-booppers, strutin their stuff all over the stage (some 
of them earned a few bucks, too, probally for showing the 
crowd their g-strings). H

Happy New Year! Balloons fall, someone rambles on the mic 
about the new year, and a bunch of other unintelligable 
stuff.
1:30a, the theater is packed full of people, and some fool 
decides it's time for fun with the fire alarms! Managment 
gets mad, closes the theater, and the chill room soon after.

Main floor is now packed. People are hot and pissed, but the 
night goes on.

Somewhere between 3:30 and 4, the lights start coming on. 
Guess what! An early night! At the time, I was very excited. 
So the all the lights are on, but the music keeps going. I'm 
walking around asking security whats going on, and noone 
knows... big suprise. Finally one of the staff security 
dudes starts telling Garth it's time to stop, party's over. 
It took a bit of yelling for Garth to stop. I asked one of 
the management people why the party was shutting down, and 
find out Cool World broke their contract with HJK, because 
they didn't have any medical teams on duty. That's not the 
story the crowd heard, however... they we're all told it 
was because people had kept pulling the fire alarms. 

Now the fun begins. 

Incoming! The first bottle hits the stage... the next thing 
you know, they're coming at us from all angles. I rush to 
protect the equipment, while ducking behind road cases, to 
avoid the next juice bomb. Over the speakers, we keep 
hearing the words "patience" and "peace" over and over. Too 
bad noone cared. The bottles kept flying in for the next 
20-30 minutes, weird purple juice stuff and glass flying 
everywhere. We keep wondering where the cops are. Finally 
two cops are backstage, and I find out there's a lot more 
officers in the front of the building (great place for them 
to be, while we're all getting attacked). Well, finally 
20-30 cops come in backstage, dressed in full riot gear, and 
get almost everyone out.

We clean the weird purple juice stuff off the gear, pack it 
up, and leave.

Definatly the most interesting New Years I've ever had.

The End.


dave 
=============( End Cool World Review from SF-Raves)=========

however apparently the Cloud Factory Party in San Fran went
off pretty well, here's the review from SF-Raves...

=============( Cloud Factory Review from SF-Raves)==========

High Points-

-A very unique space. An indoor rock-climbing facility. Wow! A nice 
change of pace from some of the dirtier places to party around the Bay 
Area.

-The shredded-up rubber material on the floor inside the place. (Like 
someone threw some CLEAN old tires in a giant blender?). A very 
refreshing surface to dance on -- footing not TOTALLY solid, but my 
normally concrete-weary knees were in heaven from the nice cushy effect. 
The stuff was great to just chill in, too. And it's a good thing, too. 
Spent a great deal of the night just sitting w/ my fiance, who was 
feelin' ill all night :(

-*Perfect* capacity. Especially for a New Years event. (no way was I 
personally ready to deal w/ a Cool World-size crowd!!) About 350 or so
is 
the number someone @ the map point told me. Plenty of elbow room, and 
actually being able to RECOGNIZE people!!!

-The beats were intense! It was cool to hear some hardcore, some drum n' 
bass. The set immediately following the countdown was very eclectic,
very 
cool. But Cloud and whoever was spinning w/ him between 2 and 4 really 
tore it up!!

-The crowd was awesome, very vibe-oriented it seemed. Kept reminding 
myself that this is why I went w/ a relatively underground party this 
told us numerous times to not smoke where we were (the rubber was highly 
flammable). All that had been done was a pipe was packed (in preparation 
for the windy outdoors) and someone flashed a lighter to find something 
in their backpack. Straight up being called a liar when I told the guy 
that "NO ONE had approached me or my friends all night and told us not
to 
smoke" and "Sorry" and "We weren't even planning on it". They still 
took some convincing after all that. Still a mystery to me how they got 
confused.

-The outdoor area was being blown about pretty heavily, a little too
much 
to be enjoyable -- the tent raising off the ground, only shelter being 
the "Chill Trailer". Only reason this was dissappointing was I built up 
the idea of a spacious outdoor/patio area too much. Nobody can help the 
weather, though.

Nothing much more to bitch about. All in all, one of the most enjoyable 
parties I have been to this fall/winter. Cloud Factory, give yourselves
a 
BIG hug for this one.

                                                Hugs :)
                                                DAVE


-Swear to god there were multiple narcs there. Did anyone else sense
that
============( End Cloud Factory Review from SF-Raves)=================

so one bad party & one good party in san fran. but as fate would have 
it, we ended up in San Diego for NYE...did the SF NYE last year, thought
we'd try a new scene this year...unfortunately there weren't any good
raves in San Diego on NYE & we were actually thinking about hitting the
party in LA, good thing we missed that too (stevie's luck of missing all
the bad partys pays off again!)...but apparently the San Diego
rave scene has diminished somewhat...talked w/ one of the old skool
San Diego promotors (who just so happens to be dating one of my sisters
in San Diego) and he said due to ugly promotor wars & promotors narcing
on each other & busting each other's partys, the rave scene in San Diego
ain't what it used to be...most of the old skool San Diego ravers have
retired & just do the club thing now...which is what we did...lotsa fun
...lotsa alcohol...lotsa dancing (altho it seems the west coast scene
seems a bit lagging in this category, but it may be due to my overly
progressive choice of dancing)...good to finally have met Jon Bishop at
his club (altho i don't think he remebered from when i used to talk to
him on Prodigy way back when)...but we had the best time outside of the
scene...outdoors...checking out the beaches...hiking around Balboa Park
...the San Diego rave scene may be lacking, but the San Diego nature
scene more than makes up for...plus that was exactly what we were looking
for some place to get away from it all and San Diego fit the bill perfectly!
tee hee, trevor lamont wuz looking for leidra in ohio, we were looking for
her in San Diego, since that's where she's originally from.

as far as NYE in other places, talked w/ Ronnie last night about his big
party - An Escapade in Trance in Dallas...i guess that didn't go off as
well as it should have either...apparently a rival promotor hacked their
way into the party's voice mail line & changed the directions to go to
his party, so only 2500 kids showed up to the actual party and the rest
of the 5000 kids went to the wrong party. not only wuz the competing
promotors party bunk but it also got busted...now ronnie and urb magazine
(the party's main investor) is filing a federal suit against the competing
promotor!

welp on the upside ian mariano called me up & said he's got a new place
w/ his girley, e me if u need his new #.  and lady ms. lisa called me up
to tell me she got the car that i wuz dreamin for...the Rav4...we should
be breaking it in this weekend when we roadtrip down for MUVMENT...the
west wuz fun, but now we're itching for some good ole midwest vibe!

--
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for those of you think you may have missed anything by not attending this
event, dont fret, it was a bunk ass party.  the promoter seemed to have a
good story, the party sucked nonetheless.  props to muppetfucker and the
purrin lion though.

peace love unity and disappointment
mike

> For all those kids out there looking for something to do New Years Eve and
> Day and even the day after...I GOT THE PERFECT IDEA:
> 
> :1999:An Escapade in Trance:
> Dec 31-Jan2 (yes thats right)
> INFO: 972-558-1717
> 
> This is gonna be fucking huge. Look at it as the Further, Interstellar Outback, or Circa of TEXAS. Yes come out and support the texas scene. DJs from all over






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don't forget about Fathom III in Nashville this weekend!!!!!!!!!!

It is going to be in the same place as Bobby's World so we can figure
out a net meet from there.  I say at the top of the stairs to the left
near the vendors.  Time?
_______________________________________________________________________
SATURDAY JANUARY 11               NASHVILLE, TN                 FATHOM
III

BAM Productions presents..............

F A T H O M III

your D.J.'s:
Room 1

John Aquaviva - Plus 8, Definitive - Canada
Terry Mullan - Catalyst - Chicago
Feelgood - Fever, Sunday Mass - Baltimore
Traxx - H.P.S., Soul Foundation - Chicago
Jeff Feller - St. Louis
Samm-E - Nashville

Room 2 (Hip-Hop)

B-Money - St. Louis
Alejan - St. Louis
Samm-E - Nashville
Midwest Avengers live PA
Fathom After Slash with

Dino, The Professor, and Darrel Lovebomb plus guests.
__________________________________________________
-- 
 
 Peace and Love
 
                                                  trevor lamont
                                        Teamsters and Erotic World
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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Can anybody tell me if or what parties are going on this weekend?  And where
are all the cool Rave Real Audio sites?? just curious!
P L U R
I'm OUT of here!

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: Okay, first, that's a good question.  I was going to ask that one:  why
: aren't there any female Dj's???

Oh god here we go ... this a once a year, sometimes twice a year discussion
... I think it would benefit to go over the archives for the last 4 years
because I doubt anyone has anything new to add to the convo.

: Second, GET A LIFE YOU FREAKISH BASTARD!!!  Oh GOD, I thought techno
: brought in intellegent people, not morons like Doormouse6.  Of you think
: you're going to take over the world with gimps, then you better look in
: the mirror, cos' it'll be the blind leading the blind.

I for one think doormouse is somewhat refreshing in a list that takes
itself way too seriously and way too personal, sometimes.

However, I think this teen angst pimple faced neurotic overweight teen-age
boy has something to prove to the world about their masculinity gabber
thing is way played out.

Here's hoping that the midwest keeps exploring the deeper sounds and the
deeper grooves in 97.  Gabber R.I.P.

earache.

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: On November 1, 97.7 FM vanished from the Minneapolis/St.Paul radio dial
: when the FCC siezed the transmitter of the Twin Cities' only all-dance
: music radio station, Beat Radio.  Minneapolis is one of the few major
: cities without a station like beat radio.  We've waited long enough, and
: now we're fighting back.  If you want to help out fellow house culture
: enthusiasts and Dj's like yourself fight censorship and help the
: Minnesota market get what it longs for, actions speak louder than words. 
: Please send a donation of any size to:

You have to be kidding me.  Beat radio was the WORST example of commercial
"look I made this with the Ensoniq Dance Planet tone module" house anywhere
on the face of the planet.  Everytime I took the time to tune that shitty
radio station in, all I heard was KDWB-quality house.  Where was the glenn
underground, the wamdue kids, the wyndell long, the paul johnson, dj funk,
spooks in the house, daft punk, ron trent, chez damier, louis bell, boo
williams, green velvet, tokyo offshore project, stickmen, heavan&earth,
space funk project, smokin' beats, baby bop, gene farris, dj rush, dj
sneak, etc. etc. etc.

We should be sending letters of thanks to the FCC.

Here's to real house in 97.

earache.

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>Here's hoping that the midwest keeps exploring the deeper sounds and the
>deeper grooves in 97.  Gabber R.I.P.
>
>earache.

I think gabber has a purpose on this planet.  Some people need and want 
that form and style, and its a damn funny and good one I think.  Neither 
me nor you currently is that into it, but oh well.   Earache, you used to 
spin some nasty ass fuckin gabba.   Just cause you moved to different 
styles, leave it alone.   that's like dissin an ex-girlfriend just cause 
you broke up.   

10-4 over and out good buddy.
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hey... y'all jungle freakazoids!  :D

i need info on a track that's been bothering the deep grooves of mind for a
while now...

its a phat ass jungle track with a sample that sounds like "lay-trontrontron
lay lay lay tron tron trontrontrontron".... "laytron!"

if anybody can help me, i would be very happy!

:D

jon/dica

np:  dj anonymous - schizophrenic

<ps... i spent lots of money on rekkids today, im a bad boy!>


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Hey all,
 My friend Jeff is trying to conduct a raver survey for school. There are
only a few questions. If u can browse www and have a moment, please help
him out. :)

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3450/survey.html

his home page is:

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3450/index.html

/* TIA and plur */
      matter


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      JOINT EFFORT IS PROUND TO BE TAKING IT BACK TO THE OLD SCHOOL

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for those who haven't heard, Madison's Nice Nice has moved his store out of
7th Dimension and set up a new store called Nice Music. his new store has a
downtown location, much more space, 4 seperate listening stations and a
bigger selection of music. i was impressed. here's the info:

Nice Music
702 E. Johnson St.
608-250-NICE

if you're coming to madison this weekend to hear gavin hardkiss, merrick
brown, or phantom spin at Awakening, you might wanna take some time to check
it out. and if you need 1200's, there's an audio shop 2 doors down selling
them new for $465 (as of monday).

-kc


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I'm just dumbfounded by how cool this is, check it out:

http://www.djstore.com/graphics/cat.gif

(see what a lack of sleep does to me???)

btw- don't bother unless you can see animated GIFs

chrisE!

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hey everybody,
 
I just moved up to Indianapolis from Raleigh, NC.  Thought I'd say a
quick 'Hi'.  I've made it to a couple of parties out this way before
(IO3, Even Furthur) and have already met a couple of people - Spitfire,
kittyn, becky, and others.

I kinda help out with a production group out of Raleigh - Lifted
Productions.  If anyone is interested in spinning down that way, please
let me know.

Again, hiya. I hope to meet more of ya soon.

xxx's and ooo's,

JoEker (joeker@imonics.com)

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I went to that site, and it was a really short survey. I think one VERY
important question he forgot to ask though, was how long one has been
going to parties. I did like the how many you've gone to question. If
everyone gets a chance, they should fil it out. =)

Just some feedback, mainly directed towards matter, but also to everyone
else. (matter, I lost your email... woopsie, or else, I woulda kept this
whole reply to private email.)

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I am copying to the list in case any one else has suggestions, they can get
them to Jeff, directly...

HiThere! ;)

At 12:06 PM 1/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I went to that site, and it was a really short survey. I think one VERY
>important question he forgot to ask though, was how long one has been
>going to parties. I did like the how many you've gone to question. If
>everyone gets a chance, they should fil it out. =)

Good point, I will copy Jeff on this e-mail... JeffW <dmt@bigfoot.com>

>Just some feedback, mainly directed towards matter, but also to everyone
>else. (matter, I lost your email... woopsie, or else, I woulda kept this
>whole reply to private email.)

So, you have it now? ;) *hug*

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Subject: human mesh dance cd - preordering now (fwd)
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I thought some of you may be interested in this so here you are.




Forwarded message:
> From taylor@walrus.com Thu Jan  9 11:17:26 1997
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> To: tfchan@concentric.net
> From: taylor deupree <taylor@walrus.com>
> Subject: human mesh dance cd - preordering now
>
> .hi,
>
> this message is going to out to everyone who responded to my initial post
> about the new human mesh dance album... i want to thank you *all* for you
> support and helping to make this project happen. as we speak, the products
> are at the plant getting pressed up.. and now it is time to pre-order, and
> reserve copies..
>
> the cd should be ready in 3+ weeks
>
> - many people have been requesting specific numbers, however i must hand
> the cds out on a first come first serve basis, i can't reserve number 1.. i
> can't reserve number 303.. etc..
>
> - note, pre-ordering will guarantee that you get a copy. once the cds are
> gone they are gone and will not be repressed in the near future (if ever).
> i'm sending this message to you guys first because you all gave me direct
> responses.
>
> - i will be keeping a database of all received money and names, entered in
> as i get them, and numbered copies being handed out accordingly.
>
> - (side note).. it looks like this series will continue.. so look out for
> another release in the coming months...
>
> ok:
>
> human mesh dance "thesecretnumbertwelve"
> 12.1000 (limited, numbered, 500 copies)
> 72 mins.
> style: (?) fairly beatless ambient, chill, meditation music. there are
> "beats".. but more like pulses and subtle rhythms.. very subdued.
>
> price:
>
> [withing US/canada]
> 1-2 cds: $15each + $2 (total) shipping
> 3-5 cds: $15each + $4 (total) shipping
>
> [overseas]
> 1-2 cds: $15 each + $5 shipping
> 3-5 cds: $15 each + $10 shipping
>
> if you are ordering more than 5 (as are some stores and mailorder places)
> contact me about shipping prices.
>
> payment terms:
>
> check or money order. personal check will wait until clearance.
> made out to me, taylor deupree and mailed to:
>
> 115 wyckoff st #4 brooklyn, ny 11201
>
> don't forget to give me your mailing address so i can send you the cds.
>
> please spread the word around. i don't like crossposting to mailing lists
> that i'm not a part of. if anyone thinks this info should be passed on to
> lists they are on (neraves,mw raves, etc.) by all means feel free! also,
> because this cd will only be sold in a few stores (and thus hard to find),
> pass the word on to your friends in your town if they want a copy.
>
> if you have any questions feel free to ask... and again, thank you for the
> support, as always...
>
> ciao
>
> (taylor)
>
> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
> taylor deupree
> taylor@walrus.com
> http://www.walrus.com/~taylor
> prototype909.seti.humanmeshdance.futique.arc.eox.unitpark.freakofnature.drumko
mp
> uter
> (index
> records.kk/radikalambient.instinct.silent.ranchorelaxo.emf.plasticcity.hollish
au
> s)
>
> favorite album right now: john beltran "10 days of blue" (peacefrog)
> next release of mine: human mesh dance "the secret number twelve" (12k)
>
>
>


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embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
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Ok, I've been reading this whole porno thread and I thought I would add my
own little bit.  I wrote a paper about this whole thing about 2 years ago
and since I don't have it on disk here to upload I thought I would give you
the brief version of it.  Sex has always been something of great interest to
me, and there were somethings I never realized about pornography before this
episode below and before I did some reading about it.  Hey, I like sex, I
like reading and talking about sex, but when it becomes violent and
demeaning to anyone involved, it's not sex anymore.  This is not meant to be
a flame at anyone, so please dont take it that way.  Anyways, here's my story.
****************************************
"It had started as a joke.  Since Liz and I had declined to go on the
non-required fieldtrip w/ the AP Government class, we decided to spend our
day watching movies.  Wouldn't it be fun to tell Scooter (my gov. teacher)
that as he had taken the class to visit the state capital that we had
advanced our education too?  As we had watched the movie "All the Presidents
Men" in class one day, Scooter seemed to get great pleasure out of explaine
the informent's code name "Deepthroat" to us.  "Deepthroate, his code name
was Deepthroat.  To this day no one knows who he was.  Yeah, that name come
from a classic movie of that time.  The movie 'Deepthroat'."

It had been made in the sixties, how bad could it be?  Liz had told me it
was a porno movie, but really.....  So we ventured to Mr. Movies, hunting
thru all the section..drama, sci'fi, adventure....all the time wondering if
there was some kind of "back room."  Obviously we were looking for something
in particular, so the clerk walked up to us and asked us if we neede some
help. (Luckily we were the only people in the whole place.).  "Can I help
you w/ something?"  she asked.  A little embarassed, I told her that we were
looking for the movie "Deepthroat".  She replied w/ a bit of disgust, "We
dont have -adult- movies."  We thanked her and scurried out, wondering if we
dared to show our faces there again.

We headed back to Liz's house, still determined to see this movie, but not
willing to take the chance of having to rent it from someone in my
conservative, good Christian hometown.  We called two place in a neighboring
town, and both clerks were surprised at the question and seemed to be
repulsed that someone should even ask.  We next attempted the other
neighboring town, Knoxville.  Both businessed carried adult movies, but only
one had Deepthroat.

So, in my '87 Dodge Omni, which is strictly forbidden by my parents for
highway travel, we set out, map in hand.  After we arrived in Knoxville, we
couldnt decipher the map, so we had to stop and ask for directions at a gas
station.  The snow was beginning to fall and I was getting quite nervous
about this whole trip.  I was getinning to think this wastn' such a good
idea.  Since Liz hadn't brought her ID, I knew that i would be the one who
would actually have to rent the movie, an idea that scared the shit out of a
newly 18 year old.

The moment of truth arrived as we pulled into the parking lot.  We were
greeted by the lady behind the counter as we casually looked around,
surveying the place for a forbidden back room.  Of course we had to check
out all the other sections first, perhaps this movie wasn't bad enough to be
considered porno, maybe it was out here on the shelves.  Alas but no, it was
not to be found.  Liz approached the counter to ask the teling question.
Shocked, the lady looked at us and then asked to see some ID.  I pulled out
my licencse and gave it to her.  After studying it for what seemed like and
eternity, she looked towards a man filing videos away behind her and said in
a voice that seemed to carry thru-out the store, "Hank, what's the age on
these adult movie.....21?"  The man came over and looked at my ID and looked
both Liz and me up and down.  "NO, I believe that it's still 18."  He took
another long look at the two innocent girls standing in front of him before
turning back to his work.  The lady proceeded to hand us a binder filled w/
video covers.  "Find the number you want, " she said.

Flip, flip, flip.....where is it!? -I just want to get out of here- I
thought.  I was ready to bolt.  Here it is, number 22, yes 22.  
"We would like 22 please."  
"Do you have a memebership card?"  
-Memebership card!?-
"Um......no."
"Well, I need o see your ID again then so I can fill one out fo ryou."

I passed her my ID again. -Will I ever meet this woman again on the
streets?-  She proceeded to fill out the forms so I could have a memebership
card.   I wanted to tell her that wouldn't be necessary, I would never be
renting movies from here again.  But I didn't, it would have caused more
strange looks and more awkward situations.  She kept on filling out forms
and finally went back to laminate the card.  Kids and adults passed by,
maybe I only thought they were looking at me funny.  -I'm not a pervert-
Finally she handed us the movie, and we were out of there.
-Breathe in the cold air *phew*, that part was over.

But it was snowing now, I was a bit tense about driving the 16 odd miles
back to Pella, especially since I wasn't supposed to be driving this car out
of town in the first place.  We made it back to the warmth of Liz's house,
what a relief.  Everything felt like a risk. Since Liz's mom was going to be
gone for the day, we figured her house was the safest place to watch the
movie.  We popped in the video.

There she was, Linda Lovelace, driving.  What was w/ the music?  I'd seen
portions of pornos before, sneaking downstairs in my younger years to flip
to latenight cinemas or while spending the night at a friend's house
searching thru her paretn's video collection and coming upon a sex film.
All those movies had cheezy music like this, but I'd never seen more than
maybe five miutes at a time.  I thought the cheezy porno music everyone
always talked about was just a joke, but I guess not.

>From the first sex scene, I know the was going to be uncomfortable.  The
movie actually had somewhat of a plot to start out w/, however misconceived
it my have been.  The plot was put together so that it had reason to show
people having sex a lot, but it did get a bit carried away.  Linda
eventually became a 'nurse' who made housecalls to relieve patients ills
thru having sex w/ them.  I found this to be very strange since she had
stated earlier in the movie that she did not want to 'go from man to man'
looking for pleasure (for those of you who do not know, Linda did not have a
clitoris in the 'normal' place, hers was located deep w/in her throat and
therefore the only way she could have an orgasm was by 'deepthroating' men).
It portrayed not only women, but peole as a whole as very stupid, as if our
sole reason for life was orgasm.  Could this have been attributed to bad
acting, a bad script or bad directing?  It made me wonder who would make
this kind of movie in the first place.  I didn't find it intellectual,
romantic, or stimulating.  It was demeaning to humans as a whole.  Who would
let themselves be portrayed as this moronic?  But I guess what it all comes
down to is money.  People will do anything for money.

This movie wasn't violent as Dworkin had described much of pornography.
There were no whips and chains, there were no harsh words sponden at women.
Everyone seemed to be consenting to sex.  It did depict women as sex
objects, but I think it goes deeper than that.  It was degrading of sex
itself.  Never was there any foreplay, never was there any afterglow, never
was there meaningful conversation between the two parties.  The scenes often
involved simplly striping naked and doing it.  In fact most of the time, the
two (or three, or however many) were already naked and going at it when the
scene started.  The sex scenes were organs having sex, close-ups of genitals
at work, there were no people here.  It gave sex no meaning, no emotion.
Maybe I'm lucky to never have experienced sex like this.  It makes me wonder
how many peoples sex lives are like this, it' sjust an act, it doesn't mean
anything.  I agree that i would be pretty nice to have sex as often as these
people did, but w/ someone I didn't even care about?

This movie was the beginning of an industry that made sex something that
could be bought and sold.  Prostitution and the mistreatment of women has
existed in society long before pornography ever did, but pornography brought
them to the foreground and may have even made them a more acceptable
practice.  Sex was no longer something that was build up from having a
relationship w/ someone.  Pornography has confused our society's sense of
sexuality.  Poeple don't know what to think sex realy is when they have so
many dfferent messages coming at them:  if a woman dresses a certain way,
she is 'asking for it'; men are always (or should be) ready and always
wanting sex; sex is love; nakedness is dirty; nakedness is always sexual.

I was glad when the film was over.  I heard it rewinding, and my only
concern was how I was going to get t back to the video store seeing that the
roads were getting worse as the snow continuted to fall.

That night I read Andrea Dworkins essay, 'Pornography Must be stopped:
Beaver's endured too much to turn back now.', and came across a quote that
someone had read to me earlier in the day, "Everytime someone watches the
movie 'Deepthroat' they are watching me being raped."  I was a little
shocked.  It seemed as though all the characters in 'Deepthroat' were having
sex by their own accord.  I was realy confused.  Then I started thinking
about how people get the wrong ideas from pornography.  I had known before
watching Deepthroat that often women were forced into pornography, there
were raped, beaten, drugged and depicted as loving it.  But I guess I though
I would be able to see in the woman's face if she really didn't want to be
there, if she was really being raped I would be able to see that.  But I
didn't.  Just b/c a woman isn't being beaten or yelled at doesn't mean she
isn't being raped.  People can be raped of their minds and spirits as they
are raped of their bodies.  And how owuld someone who thinks pornography is
real react to this?  I am reminded of a story which I was told by my two
male cousins.  I must have been in eighth grade or so and my cousins were
high school age.  We sat up late at Grandma's house telling stories, and of
course sex came up.  My younger cousin said, "Yeah, Jay, don't you remember
when Dad gave us the old sex talk?"  "Sure," replied the elder, "he took out
the movie and popped it in."  WE all cackled w/ laughter, not aware of the
implications of the situation.  If we teach our kids that pornography is
reeal, what is to stop them from -believing- it is real?  That thought
scared me.

As I drove again to Knoxville the next day to return the movie, I turned the
music up loud so I wouldn't have to think about Linda Lovelace.  I walked
into the video store, put the moive on the counter, and walked out...never
so glad to have something out of my possession.

*******************
Thoughts, reactions welcome:  tkoogler@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu

Your humble (and highly caffinated) narator,

       0/
     <:     Koog      
      / >      
"I've never felt this way before."
"I've never felt this sticky before."
-Third Rock from the Sun.

Once there was a way, to get back homeward, once there was a way to get back
home...
One sweet dream, pick up the bags, get in the limosize.  Soon we'll be away
from here, step on the gas and wipe that tear away.  One sweet dream, came
true, today....


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i'm really sorry to hear that stated.. because i (for one) love gabber, hardcore,
cheesecore, deathcore, speedcore, gabberhaus, and every possible form of
jungle/gabber/hard/acid/house/funky/breakbeat speedphreak tweeker musik..
 
i dunno.  it's kinda hard to just say that it died.. although i don't spin gabber (and
prolly never will) (although i do have some old ruffneck stuff) but you can't just pass
gabber off for dead (no offense jong, but i gotta stand up for the stuff).. if you do
follow the latest gabber releases/acts.. which i have the privledge of hanging out with
my good friend nic d (knuckle sam'ich) every day.. so i get a good dose of the good
good good quality gabber.. i know there are PILES of shitty-ass bunk gabber traks..
really cheese stuff.. but i have heard some excellent stuff.. stuff that just blew my
mind.. with it's all-out barrage of bmps and brutal force.. hilarious samples (butt X
on hell recordings), it kind of assualts your senses.. pushes you to your limits..
i love it... ;)
 
i have a conversation with chris sattinger about this too:
 
a lot of gabber dj's present the material poorly..
for example:
 
*crazy gabber maddness*
*stop*
*sample*
*next rekkid*
*sample*
*next rekkid*
 
this kind of mixing just leaves you hanging.. it's okay.. but it can be done much
better.. i personally love when a good gabber dj can match beats.. take you from one
extreme. smoothly mixed into the next trak..it builds the energy level up better..
it's all in the presentation of the material.. 
are you just gonna pound out noisey stuff like crazy or
try to actually present your material to challenge us with its ferocity?
 
i'd like to hear some more opinions (doormouse, muppetfucker?)
 
gabber is alive and well.
and if you know where to find it...
 
i would LOVE to hear some more gabber dj's at parties...
for those of you who made it to charmayne's 'hardcore will never die' party in sept.
you got a treat (minus the shitty amps).. 
 
take care
<mark_lancaster>
<chernobyl.farms>
<cloud.city.tranceformers>
lancam01@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu
320.656.0501
 
  

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>>> "Matthew Carl Joffe" <joffemat@pilot.msu.edu> 01/08/97 02:30am
>>>
Second about the porn and all that shit.  I basically think that videos as a
hole are a waste at parties.  No matter what they show, the only reason
i would
look at them is if i'm too drugged out to dance or whatever.  I spent
almost
the hole night in the main room and maybe saw a total of 1 minute of the
video
so my answer to those of you who don't like it, why are you watching it
anyways.  Fuckin Dance.  Than it you won't see it.

Actually the more i think about it, why do we have video stuff at parties. 
I'm
not saying that i don't like it, but i don't goto the parties to watch things,
i go to dance, and that's why everyone should go.  The only people i
have ever
really noticed paying attention to the videos for an extended time our the
people cracked out on so much drugs that they can't dance, and i would
rather
not have them there anyways for they get in my way when i'm trying to
dance.

the only area video belong i think is in a chill room where people are
sitting
down anyways and they won't get in the way of the people that are
dancing.


  there are  couple of reasons video screens are good at parties. 1) your
right, a lot (not all) the people who stare at the vid screens are fucked
up, but when there are parties, along comes the drugs. I'm not saying
that one has to do drugs when going to a party, but it is a part of the
scene. 2) personally, when I dance--regardless of my mental state--i
dance with my head up high. I guess i'm one of those people who can
chew gum and rub my head at the same time. It's good to have something
to look at. I like to watch dj's spin. but when I can't do as such, vid
screens are nice to look at. i'm not much for staring at speakers.3) when
there is a dj who spins something that I don't particularly like, again they
are nice to look at.  4) 
  " The only people i have ever really noticed paying attention to the
videos for an extended time our the people cracked out on so much
drugs that they can't dance, and i would rather not have them there
anyways for they get in my way when i'm trying to dance."
 I don't need that much space when I dance. if everybody is dancing
around you won't you have to deal with other people's feet?

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what happened to kirsten's party that was supposed to be 1.18 in
pittsburgh??  anyone have any info??

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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Sorry to everyone whose name is *not* Steven Waterbury.

Steve, please reply to this message and let me know what's up this weekend.
What time are you getting here, so on and so forth. I would care to say
"hi" if I could.
*curtsies*

Always,
Erinaceous
Mad as a Hatter!
 ;-}

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coming on.  It's so cruelly logical.  I learned so much and so fast.  Now my
mind is deteriorating rapidly.  I won't let it happen.  I'll fight it.  I
can't help
thinking of the boy in the restaurant, the blank expression, the silly smile,
the people laughing at him.  No--please--not that again . . ."
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GABBER is  the last UNDERGROUND!!! Anything else is house/ or jungle.

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apparently, she has gotten married and moved down south.  this is a shame
because that had a slammin lineup.


--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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sorry, ive been out of touch for a while, but can someone email me and
tell me if there will be a family fridays, or any small (and cheap) jungle
substitute, this weekend.  if so, can you also give me the info line
number.


thank you ahead of time
mike




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From: syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
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With all this talk about porn, i'm surprised no one has mentioned
anything about the current controversial film THE PEOPLE VS. LARRY
FLINT that depicts the life of the King of Porn, Larry Flint, the
publisher of HUSTLER Magazine...The movie which casts Woody Harrelson
(of NATURAL BORN KILLER fame) as Flint and Courtney Love (of HOLE
fame) as his loyal lover seems to be a quality film recieving two
thumbs up from Siskel & Ebert and the highest ratings from all the
major film critics...In fact per screen it is the #1 movie in 
America right now grossing $32,706 per screen (this may also be
due to the fact that the film was only featured in 16 theatres 
last week)...In other words, it's a must see for all true porn
connoiseurs.

here's a tiddy...guess where Larry Flint's original strip club was
located at from which the infamous porn magazine was spawned from?
...good ole Cowlumbus, Ohio...Ed Luna eat your heart out!  Yup, not
only was  O-Hi-O the home of such greats as Lady Miss Kier, Tracy 
Lords, Trent Reznor, Devo, and Brian Warner aka Marilyn Manson, but
the home state of king of sleaze...Larry Flint...Yup, Ohio is 
defintely the heart of it all :)

---

on the sad tip, it looks like we won't be making it out to MUVMENT
for that good ole midwest vibe after all...Lady Ms. Lisa is celebrating
her Birthday early this year & her parents have made other plans for her
...oh welly looks like more quality time for me & Christa ;) ...you
don't need no stinking porn, when you've got the real thing.

---

"After you take away the DRUGS, it leaves alot more time for SEX 
 and ROCK & ROLL" --- Stephen Tyler (AEROSMITH) for LoveLine MTV

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Nope Steviet, you've got your history wrong... The club, The Hustler, and
the whole Hustler magazine was spwaned in Cincinnati. They even had a big
premiere of the movie, where Woody, Courtney, and even Larry himself
showed up downtown earlier this week. It was in Cin-City, not Columbus....
Just thought the correction needed to be made.

 

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On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> With all this talk about porn, i'm surprised no one has mentioned
> anything about the current controversial film THE PEOPLE VS. LARRY
> FLINT that depicts the life of the King of Porn, Larry Flint, the
> publisher of HUSTLER Magazine...The movie which casts Woody Harrelson
> (of NATURAL BORN KILLER fame) as Flint and Courtney Love (of HOLE
> fame) as his loyal lover seems to be a quality film recieving two
> thumbs up from Siskel & Ebert and the highest ratings from all the
> major film critics...In fact per screen it is the #1 movie in 
> America right now grossing $32,706 per screen (this may also be
> due to the fact that the film was only featured in 16 theatres 
> last week)...In other words, it's a must see for all true porn
> connoiseurs.
> 
> here's a tiddy...guess where Larry Flint's original strip club was
> located at from which the infamous porn magazine was spawned from?
> ...good ole Cowlumbus, Ohio...Ed Luna eat your heart out!  Yup, not
> only was  O-Hi-O the home of such greats as Lady Miss Kier, Tracy 
> Lords, Trent Reznor, Devo, and Brian Warner aka Marilyn Manson, but
> the home state of king of sleaze...Larry Flint...Yup, Ohio is 
> defintely the heart of it all :)
> 
> ---
> 
> on the sad tip, it looks like we won't be making it out to MUVMENT
> for that good ole midwest vibe after all...Lady Ms. Lisa is celebrating
> her Birthday early this year & her parents have made other plans for her
> ...oh welly looks like more quality time for me & Christa ;) ...you
> don't need no stinking porn, when you've got the real thing.
> 
> ---
> 
> "After you take away the DRUGS, it leaves alot more time for SEX 
>  and ROCK & ROLL" --- Stephen Tyler (AEROSMITH) for LoveLine MTV
> 
> --
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> 216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________
> 


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 hey will the guy who does that Blurred Dot Records home page mail me back
personally please. you arent receiving email!!!



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no.  gabber is not dead.

in fact, i just picked up nasenblutens "100% no soul guaranteed" and the bloody
fist sampler today.

i love the speed of gabber.  i love the hilarious samples.


and i WISH that more hardcore was spun once in a while at parties.  damn, ive
seen what... like about 3 hardcore djs in my entire raving life?  i dont count
as one of em, cuz i'm not a very good hardcore dj <yet>...

as for matching beats with gabber, i have MAD respect for those who can do
it... cuz #1) i can't very well   and #2) it's so fast, its hard to get it just
right.  :)

gabber makes me smile when i'm angry.

how many of you were into the punk and industrial scene before you got into
raves?  i bet a lot of you.  and those scenes were/are very angry scenes as
compared to this one.  we still have our angry days, there's NO WAY in getting
past that... gabber just makes it a lot easier for me to get through them. 
it's a release of frustration, to pound my fists in the air at 250 bpm and yell
warcries.  :)  that's why i love gabber... and as long as this world has anger
and people who like fast music... it will never die.

jon/dica

my take on this.


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a friend forwarded this to me... I found it fairly amusing. I am sure it
exists somewhere out on the net. Prolly more like 457,324 places. I hope
you enjoy, else there's always *delete* ;)

>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>             "The Sixth Sense - The Sense of Humor"
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>"I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have
>was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse
>with those people"
>  -Former U.S.  Vice-President Dan Quayle
>
>"They're multipurpose. Not only do they put the clips on, but they
>take them off."
>  -Pratt & Whitney spokesperson explaining why the company charged the
>  Air Force nearly $1000 for an ordinary pair of pliers.
>
>"The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."
>  -Clinton aide George Stephanopolous speaking on Larry King Live
>
>"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees."
>  -Jason Kidd, upon his drafting to the Dallas Mavericks
>
>"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We
>are the president."
>  -Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents
>
>"When more and more people are thrown out of work, unemployment
>results."
>  -Former U.S. President Calvin Coolidge
>
>"It's like deja vu all over again."
>  -Yogi Berra
>
>"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese"
>  -Former French President Charles De Gaulle
>
>"The loss of life will be irreplaceable."
>  -Former U.S. Vice-President Dan Quayle on the San Francisco
>  earthquake
>
>"It is necessary for me to establish a winner image. Therefore, I have
>to beat somebody."
>  - Richard M. Nixon
>
>"The government is not doing enough about cleaning up the
>environment. This is a good planet."
>  -Mr. New Jersey contestant when asked what he would do with a
>  million dollars.
>
>"When I have been asked during these last weeks who caused the riots
>and the killing in L.A., my answer has been direct and simple: Who is
>to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for
>the killings? The killers are to blame."
>  -Former U.S. Vice-President Dan Quayle on the complex social issues
>  behind the Los Angeles Riots
>
>"Things are more like they are now than they ever were before."
>  -Former U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower
>
>"A billion here, a billion there, sooner or later it adds up to real
>money."
>  -Everett Dirksen
>
>"A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on."
>  -Samuel Goldwyn
>
>"I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from
>them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the
>Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."
>  -John Wayne
>
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>  - Philadelphia Phillies manager Danny Ozark
>
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>impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
>  -Former U.S. Vice-President Dan Quayle
>
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>mind."
>  -General William Westmoreland
>
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>being very wasteful. How true that is."
>  -Former U.S. Vice-President Dan Quayle at a fundraising event for
>  the United Negro College Fund.  He was attempting to quote the line
>  "a mind is a terrible thing to waste"
>
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>cut right out from under your feet."
>  -Former British foreign minister Ernest Bevin
>
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>  -Former U.S.  Vice-President Dan Quayle
>
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>  -Former U.S. Vice-President Dan Quayle
>
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hi again,

I was hoping someone could help me out... I've been trying to track down
two guys I met at IO3.  Their names were Alex and Adam and they were a
live PA act that went on after Dr. Shostak's speech Saturday night  (the
head of SETI). The only thing I do remember (alzheimer's -forgive me :)
is that they were from Detroit.

If anyone can help me or at least point me in a good direction to start,
I would really appreciate it.

JoE

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Kitech sed:
=================================================================
I think he was actually born in Kentucky --- Magoffin Co. to be exact. They
have had a big news story about it all week.
=================================================================
     
and Becky sed:
=================================================================
Nope Steviet, you've got your history wrong... The club, The Hustler, and
the whole Hustler magazine was spwaned in Cincinnati. They even had a big
premiere of the movie, where Woody, Courtney, and even Larry himself
showed up downtown earlier this week. It was in Cin-City, not Columbus....
Just thought the correction needed to be made
==================================================================

and for the recap i sed:
==================================================================
here's a tiddy...guess where Larry Flint's original strip club was
located at from which the infamous porn magazine was spawned from?
...good ole Cowlumbus, Ohio...Ed Luna eat your heart out!  Yup, not
only was  O-Hi-O the home of such greats as Lady Miss Kier, Tracy 
Lords, Trent Reznor, Devo, and Brian Warner aka Marilyn Manson, but
the home state of king of sleaze...Larry Flint...Yup, Ohio is 
defintely the heart of it all :)
===================================================================

here's what Entertainment Weekly January 10, 1997 sed:
===================================================================
In 1970, 17-year-old Althea Leasure walked into Larry Flynt's 
Columbus, Ohio girlie bar to take a job as a go-go dancer. Flynt
took one look at the runaway with her voluptious figure and scarred
psyche and saw, as friend Roger "Ollie" Brook remembers, that she
was already "something special to him." Still neither could guess
that the meeting would spawn one of the most unconventional and
tender love stories in tabloid history.
=================================================================== 

Welp Kitech's point is mute since we were originally discussing the
original club from which the infamous magazine was spawned from not
the actual birthplace of Larry Flint.  However Flint did own quite
a few night clubs all over Ohio. One of which was located in Cin-city.
In fact HUSTLER came about from the newsletters he used to publicize
his clubs with.  However it was the girlie bar in Columbus, Ohio
that was the original bar from which the magazine spawned from when
Flint met Althea Leasure, who would later become his wife and copublisher
and was actually the first centerfold of HUSTLER Magazine when the first
issue came out in 1974.

Geesh all this fuss over a King of Sleaze of all things, i'm surprised
someone from Milwaukee hasn't boasted their home city as the place of
where Flint first got laid, but it was a little known fact that the
girl would later give birth to a special son named "Kurt" who would
later on grow up to throw a series of the most massive outdoor raves
in midwest history, tee hee :P

Actually i've got nothing against the porn industry, quite a few of
my female acquaintinces were strippers, hell i even dated one, i even
have this keen li'l polaroid of me & Savannah (before she blew her 
head off ala Kurt Cobaine style)...people just have to understand
strippers are people too and what they portray on stage and on screen
is exactly that just a portrayal, an act.  They just do it because in
one night they make more than most of us make in a week, cash, without
taxes...one of my stripper friends made enough money to buy a car in
one year...don't hate them because they're beautiful and make more money
than they know what they can spend it on.

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Hi.


Anybody got any info on Awaken goin' on in Madison on the 11th? Anybody Going?

/-dram-->/zth-


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On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, dram wrote:

> Anybody got any info on Awaken goin' on in Madison on the 11th? Anybody Going?

sure it's one of the flyers i picked up while i was out there :)

  A W A K E N

dhea
adeptus
gavin hardkiss
merrick brown
phantom 45
kee

an extra chill surprise provided by:
  keoki & the stormtroopers of love

also says there'll be a 4 area playground corresponding to each word of
plur.  and a runway with fashions designed by your friends to be modeled
free water, arrive early to receive a coupon for free smart drink coupon
or fruit-e smoothie

radiant (madison) 608.282.9133
order of the trance (green bay) 414.995.2014
audiolab (milwaukee) 414.314.8908

---
ben




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From: DJ Hardware <hardware@gate.net>
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Hello all Net Ravers, Promoters & DJ's,
	My Name is DJ Hardware and I'm looking for bookings for the months
of December, January, & February and further. I'm The A&R director at
Adrenalin Records in New York but I'm based in South Florida. I currently
have 9 mixed CD's out in stores all across the world and have 3 more
currently being pressed. The following are a list of the CD's:
	-Adrenalin Hardcore Rush Vol 1 
	-Adrenalin Hardcore Rush vol. 2 
	-Trip Hop Acid Phunk Vol 1
	-Trip Hop Acid Phunk Vol 2
	-Trip Hop Acid Phunk Vol 3 : The Hard Edition
	-Electro Phunk Vol 1
	-Beat Generator Vol. 1
	-Acid Warfare Vol. 1
	-House Stompin' Vol. 1

and on the press:
	-DJ Hardware presents The Rhythm Chamber
	-Adrenalin Trance Acid Experience 2 :In The Mix With DJ Hardware
	- Trip Hop Acid Phunk Vol 4: The Acid Breaks Edition

I Also have a 12" currently out with my partner called The tweakers - "All
Tweaked Out" On adrenalin Records. As you can see i play a variety of
styles of music but my favorite styles to play are Hard trance and Gabber.
i also love hard edged funky breaks. If you are intrested in booking me or
know some one intrested in booking me at an event or party please have
them E-mail me or they can call Adrenalin Records at (561) 495 - 9954 or 
(561) 495 - 3919. Thanks for your time and consideration!


						DJ HARDWARE:)
					A&R Director - Adrenalin Records


P.S. : Some people in the past have said that I make royalities of these
CD's, well, I don't. I just make money to mix them and thats all. Also I'm
not tring to SPAM the NET, I'm just using the NET as a resource to find
booking outside florida and to play to different types of ravers. If
you don't like to read this just delete it... This is part of the rave
culture.... PLUR........


				Thanks Again!!

						Hardware:)




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Just a reminder of tonights Netcast...=)

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     any one have any info on the party gavin hardkiss is spinning at?
please reply back asap

                         
                                                   thanx
                                                        a few chicago boys


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On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, Katherine Elizabeth Eads wrote:

> acouple months since i had been here, and i really missed it....nyc is a
> great place, it throws increddible parties (brass monkey, at which i saw
> a large number of people from chicago =)) and the vibe was such a welcome
> change.  ive been reading this list while ive been out of town, about
> elemental2 and al that...and i keep thinking, damn its good to be on the
> east coast again, and why cant we get it right in chicago...i miss living
> in a scene ibelieve in...maybe in acouple years chicago will get it

  i live in nyc and went to brass monkey before going out to visit
wisconsin, and i did have a good time.  but i think it's only cuz i was
with my closest friends and danced for most of the night.  i didn't really
feel any vibe and usually don't from nyc parties, so if you're saying nyc
was refreshing compared to chicago, wow i guess it isn't so bad out here
after all.
  actually i did get to check out chicago before i went back home.  went
to that party at route 66, when you wish upon a star, with nancy and
kenya.  i thought the space wasn't bad, but to pay $20 for a party where
the music didn't even start 'til 12:30 and that was just one room, not
'til after 1 maybe did the jungle room start up (well non d&b set started
things off upstairs), and did it really end at 5?  that's when the last
main floor dj finished.  the music was all varied, hardcore, house,
techno, etc.  but we heard "professional widow" 4 times and another big
song 3 times, and everyone screamed in excitement each time, go figure.
i guess the best part of my night was seein' danny the wildchild and
phantom 45 (who wasn't listed on the flyer) play back to back. (or maybe i
got my dj's wrong someone correct me).  i went from never hearing phantom
spin before to hearing him 3 times in a week! (brass monkey, dbn.nye, and
when you wish...) a refreshing change from all the liquid sky jungle i
hear too much here.  danced a bit here and there to mark almaria and miles
maeda (who subbed for no-show paul johnson) and saw this amazing dancer, a
girl who drove up from louisville!  people who heard i went felt bad that
this was my first chicago party, but oh well there'll be other times to do
it proper, i hope?

peace,
ben (da orange jacket cerealboy)



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this was one of the funniest things that i have ever read.  notice how many times dan quayle managed to get himself on the list. ;)



			=)andrea

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:34:21 -0600 matter <arduous@mcs.net> writes:
>
>a friend forwarded this to me... I found it fairly amusing. I am sure 
>it
>exists somewhere out on the net. Prolly more like 457,324 places. I 
>hope
>you enjoy, else there's always *delete* ;)

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>
>It was a good style and funny at one point, but has really just turned into
>a bad joke since don't you think?

well perhaps a little past its sell by date, yes.   why did you have 
richie CC'd on this ?


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*sigh*

$10 entry

no john acquaviva. 

in "the loft."

3-4 hour set by overdose.

tag team by some people (i cant remember who)

set by Werk.

chrisE! leaves.

now, this might sound all bad.  But let me explain a few things.  First of
all, John Acquaviva's no-show was completely the fault of mother nature,
and nobody else.  Mike Johnson of Chernobyl Farms apparently tried very
hard to find a replacement flight, but with no luck.  When that failed, he
tried to get a last minute replacement, namely DJ ESP Woody Mcbride. That
didn't work either. Clinton told me he was also trying to get Glenn
Underground or Hyperactive at one point. None of those turned out though.
So what did he do?!?

well, John Acquaviva _will_ be in minneapolis, and he _will_ spin.  This
is happening on sunday.  and you _will not_ have to pay to get into this
fine event.  (or so i've heard... and I will update things as I find out
more.)

Tomorrow is Aftershok. Also in the loft. I'll be there. *yawn*

a very tired chrisE!


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ok, i hate planning these things.

but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and try a different time than usual.

3 am at the smart bar.  coo?  coo.  hope to see y'all there.. and hopefully we
can all meet merrick brown if he's not spinning at that time.  :D

jon/dica


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additional info on awaken, from the info line...

gavin hardkiss
merrick brown
phantom 45
adeptus
kee
dhea


tickets are $15.... $1 off for canned good.  another dollar off if you bring
some material... cuz they're making a huge community quilt and it'll be on
display at their next event.  sounds phat!  :D

radiant (madison) 608.282.9133



please, everyone that can should come out and support these guys because they
seem to be the ideal promoters <although i could be wrong, so dont hold me
personally responsible if it doesn't go off for some reason...> and the lineup
is phat.

one question... phantom's supposed to be in milwaukee at tastee beats <not 2>
that nite as well?  hmm.... its doable!  :D  just wondering wassup with that. 
soooooo... hope to see you all there.

ps... go see First Strike with jackie chan.  its good.  :D

jon/dica


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I thought this was pretty darn funny, thanks for posting it.

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anyone know how the flights are presently departing out of chicago, and
more importantly, detroit?  i am concerned that the scheduled dj's will
make it to dayton tonite.

people in these cities please let us know, if you know, or at least how the
weather is, etc.  i hope it's not *that* bad.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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I'm not garunteing anything, but i don't think there will be much problems
getting out of detroit.  The snow has died off, but i can't say for wind
problems and such though.  Espically with the plan acccident on a comuter
flight the other day, they may be tightening things up and i figure a flight
from detroit to dayton will be on a small plane.  But all and all, the flight
may be delayed a little, but Stacey  will be there I would think.


>
> anyone know how the flights are presently departing out of chicago, and
> more importantly, detroit?  i am concerned that the scheduled dj's will
> make it to dayton tonite.
>
> people in these cities please let us know, if you know, or at least how the
> weather is, etc.  i hope it's not *that* bad.
>
> take two of these and thank me in the morning,
> michael
> allroy
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/free/mmccusty.html
> **************************************************************************
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>


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Dayton should be fine... I'm about 45 minutes south, and all roads are
clear here.. It IS however FREEZING cold, so make sure to have an extra
blanket or two in the car in case something should happen on the way
there or back, and dress WARMLY! =)


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On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, michael mccusty wrote:

> anyone know how the flights are presently departing out of chicago, and
> more importantly, detroit?  i am concerned that the scheduled dj's will
> make it to dayton tonite.
> 
> people in these cities please let us know, if you know, or at least how the
> weather is, etc.  i hope it's not *that* bad.
> 
> take two of these and thank me in the morning,
> michael
> allroy
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/free/mmccusty.html
> **************************************************************************
> "it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
>                                            -derrick carter
> **************************************************************************
> 
> 


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 chicago is bright and sunny and probably doing just fine at the
'ports.  there is the small incident that it is COLD AS HELL tho, but
airplanes don't stay on the ground just because of a little chilly wind
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<DT>&nbsp;chicago is bright and sunny and probably doing just fine at the
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directions to the mappoint for awaken... <well not really directions>

the mappoint is at 2701 monroe street...

it's in a little strip mall called knickerbocker place...

and the store is called "spoons rice" or something like that.  spoons
something.  :P  it was hard to understand what the guy on the info line said. :P

mappoint opens at 9:30 pm.  party starts at 10.  no one will be admitted to the
party without a ticket <aka, you have to go to the mappoint to go to the party!>

tickets are $15.... $1 off with canned good, and $1 more off if you bring a
piece of material for the midwest rave community quilt.  :)  sounds cool, im
gunna try to dig something up myself.  :)

if you need dirs from milwaukee, or chicago... you can call the mappoint back
for directions.... i didn't get em all copied down.

the info # is 608.282.9133.

again... djs include gavin hardkiss, phantom 45, merrick brown, adeptus, kee,
and dhea.  please show up, it'll rock tha house!!!  :D

jon/dica

np:  terry mullan - new skool fusion vol. 2


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On Sat, 11 Jan 1997 ultimate.platypus@njackn.com wrote:

> 
> again... djs include gavin hardkiss, phantom 45, merrick brown, adeptus, kee,
> and dhea.  please show up, it'll rock tha house!!!  :D

 I heard Merrick's set on realaudio last nite.... =) He rocks... btw, if
anyone gets the chance to talk to him, please give him a hug from Becky
and Marc. =) thanks!

-Becky =)



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> Hi.
> 
> 
> Anybody got any info on Awaken goin' on in Madison on the 11th? Anybody Going?
> 

the urbana crew (whats left of it due to winter break) will be in 
effect @ this party    

gavin hardkiss is a very good dj  we dotn want to miss him

if anyone would liek to meet up  please inform the list or i.

mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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Any peeps goin to MUVMENT tonight look for the
 dweeb in YELLOW from the waste up.
If ya see this dweeb, stop by n say hi to him.

Me be that dweeb!

(I'll probly be tha yellowist person there)

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On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Jason Heikenfeld wrote:

> Any peeps goin to MUVMENT tonight look for the
>  dweeb in YELLOW from the waste up.
> If ya see this dweeb, stop by n say hi to him.

Funny how this dweeb you mention seems so normal in person...
but what do I know?

> (I'll probly be tha yellowist person there)

You should try green sometime. =)


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*finally*

Friday 1.31.97

QUAD CITIES

the return of EXSTASIS promotions

R E V I V E

with your dj's for the evening:

MIKE DEARBORN  -  Chicago 
JEFREE DEE - Milwaukee
CMC - Chicago/Exstasis
TYSON HOWELL - Quad Cities 
SPINTELLIGENT - Quad Cities
JOSH BARNES - Quad Cities
K-LIB - Quad Cities

space permitting, the karma lounge with OX4 on the trip-hop tip

It's been 6 months.... we are BACK.

3 0 9 . 7 5 7 . 5 3 2 3 

watch for flyers early this week...



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hey all--

so far i'm intendin' to go to Awaken this evenin', and am up for jon's
suggestion of 3 @ the smartbar for a netmeet...
so,
for all who're goin' i'll see ya there...

/dram->/zth-


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I'm sorry...forgot to delete the cc: . 

Many apologies!

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Woo Hoo!  I'm so psyched....  If you need anything, let me know.


*Megan/Princess*
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On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, shane wrote:

> *finally*
> 
> Friday 1.31.97
> 
> QUAD CITIES
> 
> the return of EXSTASIS promotions
> 
> R E V I V E
> 
> with your dj's for the evening:
> 
> MIKE DEARBORN  -  Chicago 
> JEFREE DEE - Milwaukee
> CMC - Chicago/Exstasis
> TYSON HOWELL - Quad Cities 
> SPINTELLIGENT - Quad Cities
> JOSH BARNES - Quad Cities
> K-LIB - Quad Cities
> 
> space permitting, the karma lounge with OX4 on the trip-hop tip
> 
> It's been 6 months.... we are BACK.
> 
> 3 0 9 . 7 5 7 . 5 3 2 3 
> 
> watch for flyers early this week...
> 
> 

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wow. this party was *exactly* what I needed.  I don't know how Chernobyl
Farms pulled it off, but they managed to have an AMAZING vibe in the
ecstatic loft. Everyone had a big smile on their face, and they all had
something to say. :)

MUSIC:

Mark Lancaster: MW-Raves's own acid hero.  Mark, you rule!  Mark spun some
really nice acid.  His new tape is the bomb too! 

Zelus: nice acid... I liked Mark's better, but this was a good set too.

O-Scar: finally, I got to hear this dude!  You simply cannot understand
how many times i've been to parties where he was booked, and not seen him.
Anyways, he didn't spin what I was expecting, but I was pleasantly
surprised. ;)

BOOGIE AND MUTHAFUCKIN SMOOTH!
After tonight I have a very profound respect for the people who make and
spin booty house. I think every record these boys played was a Dance Mania
release.  I've never seen a DJ smile as much as DJ Boogie. And after their
set was done, they both went out on the floor and danced for most of the
night!  I was out in the hall and gave boogie a smile, and he came over
and talked to me!  Friendly people...  Oh, and they both were very good
DJs. I guess i had this vision of booty house DJs as being slimy, but I
was TOTALLY WRONG.  

Apollo and Werk:
wow. wow. wow.  :)
A very, very nice hard techno set from these two. I can't wait for the 
trainwrecking EP to come out! 

Special A (?):
breaks.... ah yeah.  This guy is rad too!  

Grant Wish (?):
I left right at the beginning of his set. He sounded good though. :)

Overall, the music was top-notch.  everyone's sets rocked my house... and
it's not a usual thing that EVERY DJ is good like that.

Let me comment again on the wonderful vibe.  Seriously *everyone* was very
friendly and talkative tonight.  I saw a bunch of old friends from
highschool, which was rad. And jawsh and his crew were all there, and a
bunch of other great pepole. The only one who was missing was ERINACEOUS!
Where the heck were you, Erin?  You said you were gonna be there, liar. :)

oh well, I'll shut up now.  Thank you Chernobyl Farms.

(BTW, I still dont know about the party tomorrow... John Acquaviva?!?)

chrisE! exhausted and smiling

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Okay, we got flyers for this party tonight.  They're printed on really
nice heavy cardboard. I thought it was a sheet of plastic for a long time!

Anyhow, it looks like Jawsh! is going and I may be riding along... 

Anyone out there have the scoop on this party?  I don't know anything
about the scene in Dayton (or Ohio in general, for that matter!) and I'd
just like to hear from someone that yes, this party is worth my time.  It
definitely LOOKS good- J. Goodwill and Astroboy... $10 at the door...  all
that stuff. 

Oh, and please lemme know if you'll be there. I'm sure there's plenty of
net.ravers out i that neck of the woods that i'll never have another
chance to meet...

*thanks*

chrisE!

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i believe dynamica is in columbus....

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> From: chrisE! <crege@piper.hamline.edu>
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> Date: Sunday, January 12, 1997 6:25 AM
> 
> 
> Okay, we got flyers for this party tonight.  They're printed on really
> nice heavy cardboard. I thought it was a sheet of plastic for a long
time!
> 
> Anyhow, it looks like Jawsh! is going and I may be riding along... 
> 
> Anyone out there have the scoop on this party?  I don't know anything
> about the scene in Dayton (or Ohio in general, for that matter!) and I'd
> just like to hear from someone that yes, this party is worth my time.  It
> definitely LOOKS good- J. Goodwill and Astroboy... $10 at the door... 
all
> that stuff. 
> 
> Oh, and please lemme know if you'll be there. I'm sure there's plenty of
> net.ravers out i that neck of the woods that i'll never have another
> chance to meet...
> 
> *thanks*
> 
> chrisE!
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> |  http://www.hamline.edu/~crege          |
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> |  work, work your body!                  |
> |  bootybootybootybootybooty!             |
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> 

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i believe dynamica is in columbus....

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> From: chrisE! <crege@piper.hamline.edu>
> To: the bitch-ass list <mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com>
> Subject: Dynamica?
> Date: Sunday, January 12, 1997 6:25 AM
> 
> 
> Okay, we got flyers for this party tonight.  They're printed on really
> nice heavy cardboard. I thought it was a sheet of plastic for a long
time!
> 
> Anyhow, it looks like Jawsh! is going and I may be riding along... 
> 
> Anyone out there have the scoop on this party?  I don't know anything
> about the scene in Dayton (or Ohio in general, for that matter!) and I'd
> just like to hear from someone that yes, this party is worth my time.  It
> definitely LOOKS good- J. Goodwill and Astroboy... $10 at the door... 
all
> that stuff. 
> 
> Oh, and please lemme know if you'll be there. I'm sure there's plenty of
> net.ravers out i that neck of the woods that i'll never have another
> chance to meet...
> 
> *thanks*
> 
> chrisE!
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> |  chrisE!                                |
> |  chris ege, crege@piper.hamline.edu     |
> |  http://www.hamline.edu/~crege          |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> |  http://www.photon.net/idea.project     |
> |  idea.project@photon.net 612.362.3387   | 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> |  DJ Funk gonna hurt somebody!           |
> |  work, work your body!                  |
> |  bootybootybootybootybooty!             |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 

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just got back from madison long drive  here it is

the vmail made me want to go....these seem(ed) like the people i 
would want to support

went to the mappoint  was more or less bitched at while there    
faster quicker NOW DAMMIT!

now for the party
SPACE: auto warehouse center in downtown madison..looked liek it 
would be busted ..residential area    ......chill space was 
nice....the "third" room was beautiful     these kids put in time and 
designed and assembled a lot of nifty things (xmas lights galore, 
mirrors, paintings, etc)
it was too small though  :(   oh well cleared out later on

music:
adeptus and the person before him were good but not great

merrick:  what can i say  hes one hard mutha    it was kidna shaky in 
some parts but he amde up for it with great tracks   beautiful acid 
insanity

phantom 45:  *grin*    started with nice slower d&b then stepped it 
up   .....the crowd was flowin..m.musci was flowin   everyone had 
smiles on their faces   very very nice

gavin hardkiss:   WOW!!!!     he produced some sweet smooth sounds   
hardkiss style   very good

kee:  the surprise of the nite   WOOHOO!!     he made the crowd go 
nutty......  he was wonderful

ghia (????)    pretty good  needs some work though

sound:   shitty    thats about all i can say   that constant 
"BUZZZZZZZ" coming out of the stacks went along real well with some 
jungle oh well

everyone was more or less smilin     there seems to be too many 
craked out KIDS at parties anymore   really getting sick of it   
.......promoters should learn how to handle situations and not make 
them worse by complaining/yelling/getting mad/threats/etc.    
and people should not use drugs when they dont know how to control 
themselves
mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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sorry about that last partial post, my mistake!
 
well, let me say this about awaken.
 
it was a really great awesome party, and i can definitely say 
that..
 
but i didn't really get into it all that much.
 
 
the venue was sooooo cool... it was a tire company, and it had 
the highest ceilings on earth!  :D  speakers were stacked 
pretty darned high, and they sounded REALLY good.
 
complaint <and this is the biggest part of the reason i didn't 
have much fun>:
 
you couldn't see the dj.  seriously.  he was on the second 
floor... with a LITTLE overlooking view and every once in a 
while you could see the top of his head.. but this was really 
frustrating for me.  the security wouldn't let people upstairs 
<for good reason> although i weaseled my way into taking a 
couple of pictures up there.....
 
but this business of no interaction with the crowd so the 
crowd couldn't watch the dj, that was a pisser.  i was really 
extremely disappointed with that aspect, because one of my 
fave things to do at a party is watch the dj and then dance 
off of that energy that's put forth from him/her.  this was 
not available at awaken.
 
also, where was the pluraliscious playground?  i was looking 
forward to that.... ah well.   i liked the two xmas lighted 
hallways, those were neat....  ok on to the party some more:
 
the lights were reallly really cool!  about 4 or 6 lasers that 
were tha bomb, and some flashing colored lights... pretty 
fly!  :)  now to the music:
 
yann was spinnin when we got there.  for those of you who have 
been lucky enough to see him spin at a house party, you know 
that he rocks.  he spins really great acid breaks and acid 
house... normally i don't like breaks but yann's sets are 
always great and get me movin.  :D
 
then, adeptus went on!  he rocks as well, and i LOVED the 
little intro bit with "the lord is my shepherd" or whatever... 
but i just didn't really dance real hard to it.  i was handin 
out fliers the whole time.  adeptus' set was a LOT more 
trancey than last time i saw him... but it was really really 
good nonetheless :D
 
next, merrick brown.  i gave up handing out fliers.  you know 
why?  because THE MAN ROCKS!!!!!!!!  this had to be one of the 
more slamminest <is that a word?> sets i have ever seen.  hard 
ass techno!  he played the new misjah track on missile, and a 
bunch of other GREAT stuff!  perfect track selection, all the 
songs went really well together... some of his mixes were off 
<especially at the beginning> but he still slammed!  <high 
five to merrick>  btw... i didn't see anyone at the net.meet.  
ah well.
 
phantom 45.  awwwww hell YEAH!!  <blowing whistle obnoxiously> 
the man is awesome!  great great harder jungle stuff... 
flawless mixing... great scratching.... but again, its SO much 
better to watch phantom 45 at work instead of just listening 
to him.  i didn't get into it as much as i could have... but 
he was still really great.   :D
 
then, gavin hardkiss came on.  i was very impressed... he 
would blend this softer stuff.... and then hit everyone with a 
hard ass track!  what style, what grace!  lovely lovely!  the 
man is great... i might just have to go buy a mix cd or 
something by him.
 
then kee came on <im not sure when> but he wasn't announced by 
the mc.  eventually, it came on the red digital sign ... which 
in itself was a really cool part of the party.  you could see 
what djs were playing when by reading the sign VERY easily 
from almost anywhere in the main room... and i liked that.  
however, i could have figured it out if i could have watched 
the djs <bitching and groaning :P>  kee spun a slammin set for 
as long as i stayed, and i danced for a little bit...
 
anyhow, to start wrappin things up.. i liked the party but i 
think radiant creations could have done a better job with 
setup.  however, i commend them on an excellent party, and the 
first party in madison since mid-September's ufo3!!!  it was 
great to see all the madison peeps back together again!  :)  
woo!  vibe was fairly friendly, we had lotsa fun handing out 
fliers <we being me, mikeyd, and brett> and i can't wait for 
biorhythm next weekend with DRC spinnin a 3 hour set!!
 
btw, mikeyd, mail me back.  :D
 
anyhow, im gonna shower and go to work soon.  so peace and 
love to y'all, and catch ya on the flipside!
 
jon/dica


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someone tell us how this went off!  i hear it was in rockford...

did phantom 45 make it all the way down there too?

jon/dica


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well... let me say this about the party.

i can say that it was a really great awesome party.

but i didn't get into it all that much.

i handed out lots of melt fliers... even helped hand out some biorhythm and
outer limits fliers :D

got there, and yann was spinnin.  ok, you who have seen him at house parties
know that he rocks.  he spins like the best acid breaks and stuff in the world.
 i don't like breaks a whole lot, but i like to hear a set by yann.  :D

the spot was really really rad, it was this tire company on e. wash... 

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Subject: ALEX REESE
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if your an alex reese fan i just recieved a copy of his CD 'so far'. im usually
not a drum n' bass fan but i really like his work.check it out.

Diana --

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all i'm gonna say about this party besides the fact about a sweet space and
congrats to the promoters, was that carl (dj kee) TORE IT THE FUK UP!!!
big props to mike and the rest of the madtown promoters involved and the
biggest SHOUT THE FUK OUT to KEE for movin and groovin those asses so
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p.s. now you know why kee was the october '96 and very first FreeBass
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i forgot one thing about my review.... this was one of the most fun things
about the party for some of the nite...

the video mixing.  it wasnt really mixed a whole lot or anything.... it was
just old movies like 2001 and i think planet of the apes was on there?

anyhow, i was looking up there.. and all of a sudden, its this BIG FREAKY SANTA
CLAUS!  holy ballz!  i was laughin my arse off.  :)  it was really cool and i
wanna find out who did the video mixing for that party.  :)

latah!

jon/dica

np:  dj mogli - heads and tails


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DYNAMICA is in columbus this saturday, presented by a new group of people
calling themselved FLUID productions.  it's got a smaller lineup including
J GOODWILL, ASTROBOY, and several smaller DJs from as far as chicago.  it
is meant to be a big event, tho!  the space is huge, and it's clean, a
gym-type of arena which has a lot of room.  it's cheap, too: only $10 to
get in. 

.ION. is from us, ele_mental, and it's on sunday night (monday is a
national holiday for MLK).  our event features DAN CURTIN, DEVIL GIRL, and
several other local/ohio notables, and best of all it's only $6 to get in
(yes that's not a typo).  it will be a bit smaller than DYNAMICA but not
by much...altho i cant give you details on the space because that hasnt
been 100% decided upon (it's one of two places). 

i dont have the # for DYNAMICA handy but you can call the table of 
ele_ments at 614.470.0929 for info on both events.

++ 
e d

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UPDATES
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The 1/29 Jamiroquai show has been moved from Metro to the Riviera.
Additional tickets will go on sale Saturday at noon.
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Riviera Theatre:  4746 N. Racine (Lawrence & Broadway) / Chicago, IL / (TM)
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January
  29 Wed  Jamiroquai // =MOVED FROM METRO=, more tix on sale Sat noon



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Metro:  3730 N. Clark / Chicago, IL / (312) 549-0203 / (TM) /
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January
  18 Sat  Tricky / Jeru The Damaja // 11:00


chitown
simple

ps
as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes



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this is for anyone who cares:



>From: "Cookson, Oliver" <oliverc@pantek.co.uk>
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>Just read about the depressing news that Armando has lost his battle to 
>survive Leukemia.
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>Respect goes out to this superb producer, for all those tracks that made me 
>dance so madly.
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--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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and only had the energy to go to work and that's about it. For those of you who don't 
know I got to spend my Christmas holiday in The Netherlands. It was extremely fun, but 
also a great look at how different things are from my normal daily life.

     The weather for all of Europe was extremely cold, in Holland it was the coldest it 
had been in 12 years. The whole time I was there the temp. was between -2 and -10 
degrees celsius ( about 10 and 20 degrees F).  This is not very cold compaered to normal 
Chicago weather, except they have a very low % of humidity, making it seem much colder.  
 I stayed with my friend Thijs, who I met on the UK-Dance list about 2 years
ago. I got to see most of the country because,  we stayed at several friends homes, his
parents home and,  then got a hotel in Amsterdam for the last part of the trip.
Geographically the country is about the same as Wisconsin, i.e. a few large cities, a 
few small ones, and a lot of open area. I met a lot of really cool people, all into some 
form of techno! This suprised me because most people (non-raver, non-clubing types) 
here, only have an idea of what techno or house music is.  It seems that in Europe 
alternative music and house/techno have the opposite audiences than in the US,  
alternative music listerners are the minority.  This meant cool music almost every where 
we went. In McDonalds I heard; Robert Miles, some Happy Hardcore, and The Prodigy....I 
was in shock !! 

     When I first heard how different the music industry there was I thought of 2 
people, Phil Free Art, and Randy/Orisis 7.  The 2 most popular forms of music there are 
Happy Hardcore, and Trance (and they love goa too). The Paradiso was the only club I got 
to see, but it was several times better than any club I've been to in the US. It was 
built inside an old church in downtown Amsterdam, and the stained glass windows were 
still in use. Everyone there was so friendly, they would ask where I was from, when I 
said Chicago-- they handed me a joint. 

     Drugs that are called "soft drugs" are legal in Holland, and the "hard" ones are 
not. Soft drugs consist of; Marijuana, Hash, and 'Shrooms--anything else is illegal. 
Another odd thing about their drug policy was, that the police can't use the old "search 
and seizure". They can't search you even if they know you have drugs on you. 

     The record stores there are kind of backwards from most of the ones I have been to.
When you go into the store, you go to the counter, and tell them what you are looking 
for. The person behind the counter then picks up a pile for you to listen to. It took me 
a few times to get used to this, and explain exactly what I wanted. I did find a few new 
labels to look for, and also got  "Dave Clark X-Mix -- Electro Boogie" on vinyl. And the 
clothing stores RULE!!  Almost every town (even small ones) have "club wear" stores. And 
the prices are about 1/2 to 1/3 of what you would pay here. So as you can guess I really
stocked up on clothes and records.

    Overall the trip was awsome (except the weather), and deffinately worth the money I
spent. If you want to go to Europe, I highly recomend adding Holland to you list of 
places to stop.


Later
Adamjack
-- 
Eric
ericn@ix.netcom.com
http:// Coming Soon!


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Evolution and Maxximum present

Urban Warriors

Louisville, KY    Feb 1, 1997

Jungle DJS

Dara - smile communications ny/ireland
Entity - Ultraworld baltimore
Paul C - Koncrete Jungle  NY
3d and Snuggles -  Chicago
Jonah - Better Days, Louisville


house djs
halo - Teamsters, chicago
wilhelm K - COK, indy
mellowman - Cincy
Benman - Better Days, louisville
Matt Henderson - Evolution, Louisville


Sound and Lights by Maxximum

Production and Promotion by Evolution

Tickets $12 in advance at Better Days records
	$15 at the door


tim
evolution productions



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Hey everyone! :D

What ever happenned with alla that talk about the mw-raves laminates? I
think they would be very helpful for connecting at events. We always see
people posting that they can't find the net meets, so if we all got
laminates to wear, I think it would be much easier. I took the initiative
to make a silly graphic, which is sitting on my www site, below. I was
considering that we could have each personalized with our handle or any
silly old thing. ;) Check it out and let's see if we can get this together. ;)

your friend,
  matter


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short and simple.
 
 
   Trust
 
Feb. 15th, 1997

minneapolis, mn
 

Kell 	       - kentucky
Wilhelm K      - Soiree Records, indiana
Zelus          - hush productions, mpls.
Alias          - (this guy is tha shit!!) - mpls.
mark_lancaster - chernobyl farms, cloud city tranceformers - st.cloud
Uplink
 
'all killer no filler'
 
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u-80 - (612) 909-1559


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can someone privately email me with an estimate of how
long it takes to
get from chicago to louisville 


thank you
mike


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For various reasons I have been kind of hiding out from parties, this
list, etc., but recently have made some new friends through this list and
want to start going to parties again.  However, I also have just started
student teaching, which makes it kind of hard to be a raver at the same
time due to conflicting sleep schedules (it's hard to get up at 7a.m.
Monday when you went to bed at 7a.m. Saturady night.)  ANyway, my
boyfriend and I have decided to try to find one outstanding party every
month to go to.  We are also sick of going to mediocre parties.  If our
ride works out, we will probably be going to Direct Drive this weekend,
but more to see Miles Maeda and Mystic Bill more than anything..oh yeah
Kevin Saunderson too (gotta give the hometown props!!).  Anyway, do you
all think this is the best party for us to go to this month?  Keep in mind
that we live near Detroit and don't really like to go too much past
Chicago (New Years was an exception).  Anyway, whattaya think?
--Amy


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ok if you havnt deleted this post yet, becasueof its chicago assciation ill
first tell you  that this is not from any promoters present or past.

im having a party at my loft near donwtown.

what to expect:
about 4djs
no additude
film projections possible.
beer(my housemate's idea)

this isnt intended to be a mini rave, just a party with some djs.  my
roomates are the ones that decided to have the party and are the ones that
decided to have the beer. i posted an invitation for the last party at my
loft, and some people were suprized at how much beer there was so i thought
that i would let you know what to expect.

if you want directions email me personally.



chitown
simple

ps
as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes



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Can anyone give me the details on the party this saturday in Madison with
DRC spinning a 3 hour set? Thanx a buncho

James CLar


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At 05:26 PM 1/13/97 -0500, James Clar wrote:
>Can anyone give me the details on the party this saturday in Madison with
>DRC spinning a 3 hour set? Thanx a buncho

sure James, I'm down with that Madison thing. ;)

(pre-flyer):

BI ORHYTHM
Madison, WI
January 18, 1997

featuring
DRC
trance dominatrix - san fran
special 3 hour performance

Adeptus
Anonymous
Nick Kick
Illusion

Sound and Lights:Lazer Bob

Population One: 608.241.7677
Eucalyptus: 608.258.0098


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You wrote: 
>
>ok if you havnt deleted this post yet, becasueof its chicago 
assciation ill
>first tell you  that this is not from any promoters present or past.
>
>im having a party at my loft near donwtown.
>
>what to expect:
>about 4djs
>no additude
>film projections possible.
>beer(my housemate's idea)
>
>this isnt intended to be a mini rave, just a party with some djs.  my
>roomates are the ones that decided to have the party and are the ones 
that
>decided to have the beer. i posted an invitation for the last party at 
my
>loft, and some people were suprized at how much beer there was so i 
thought
>that i would let you know what to expect.

    So what's wrong with a lil brewsky? ;)

j e s s.madison

>if you want directions email me personally.
>
>
>
>chitown
>simple
>
>ps
>as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes
>
>
>


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>    So what's wrong with a lil brewsky? ;)
>
>j e s s.madison
>
nothing wrong with a little brew. some times i dont want to have it around
though, like at a rave, and i dont really like beer that much personally.
just mentioned it bc wanted ppl to know that it wont be a party of all ravers.




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hey cats...

I'm thinking of making the trip down to madison to see DRC and the rest of
those ppl spin this weekend.  I think I'll be coming down on the bus
because my car is a gas hog and the bus is gonna end up costing me about
$50 less than driving.

i've already asked jon/dica/ultimate.platypus to pick me up, but if he
can't do it, is there anyone else who'd be willing to either pick me up or
just meet me there? I dont know madison that well...

I might need crash space too... anyone want to help me with that?

Oh, and it would be cool to hook up with people before the party... I'm
gonna try for an earlier arrival on saturday. 

basically what i'm saying is I have no plans whatsoever other than I'm
coming down there this weekend...

thanks anyone,

chrisE!

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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:03:41 -0500
From: Jason Heikenfeld <jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu>
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Yeah I've been diggin to it too...

If you like that drum n' bass on the jazzy side you must try
 'Jazz Jungle' out on Hollywood records, its tarnished w/ a few
 vocals but even they are in such good taste.
 Click n Cycles '125th St' gets my ass off the couch 
 everytime! T. Power's vs. MK Ultra's 'Mutant Jazz'
 is so good it makes me smile right now :)

And again...   :)

Quango has a comp. out titled 'Quango Sport' right up 
 the alley w/ Reece, has one of his tracks on it.

I'm outta here, now I gotta go home n listen to it :)

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 formerly knowledgeable
 currently hypocritical		-Jason  :P  pbblllt!
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At 06:51 PM 1/13/97 -0500, simple wrote:
>
>>    So what's wrong with a lil brewsky? ;)
>>
>>j e s s.madison
>>
>nothing wrong with a little brew. some times i dont want to have it around
>though, like at a rave, and i dont really like beer that much personally.
>just mentioned it bc wanted ppl to know that it wont be a party of all
ravers.

hmmmm...

you got beer in my rave,
and you got rave in my brew.
ummm, these taste pretty good together!

anyone remember the old reese's peanut butter cup tv ads?

Pleez, slap me if I get too silly,
 matter


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Rid yourself of those winter time blahs.

On Jan.25th, Collective Intelligence brings you...

CABIN FEVER

DJs for the evening...

DJ Eraser
Sense
Elysium
Powerhouse
Shazam
Jeff
Special Guest DJ TBA

$5 at the door

Info-Line 614.470.3839

Look for pre-flyer for "The Return of Superfly" on March 1st


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Does anyone have an attendance figure?


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DOes anyone have any updates about this party? Know the promoters? Etc.....


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At 11:58 PM 1/13/97 -0500, Desmond Cobb wrote:
>DOes anyone have any updates about this party? Know the promoters? Etc.....

Yeah, man I am fully hooked up with the Direct Drive scoop (however, I will
most likely be in Madison, WI :D):

Direct Drive 18:JAN:1997

Kevin Saunderson
Frank DeWulf
DJ Hell
DJ Skull
Roy Buck

mixmaster miles maeda
josh werner
kurt eckes
mystic bill
hector lopez
kenny & karl meier
jeff starlight

atp: 847.581.3200 ext. ATP
drop bass network: 414.777.3998
core innovations: 312.509.6334
park rave madness: 718.390.7176
ecstatic music: 612.399.1724
massive magazine: 414.777.EXTC

pre-sale tix @ level
4195 S. Archer Ave. Chicago
312.579.0004
limited to 250 @ $15

visuals: eyegasm
audio: diversified audio
lasers: eye strain
art: derrick grahn


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is anyone going to review this party?? or did i delete them all by accident??

allroy?? stuff?? des?? ed??

come on! i want to know what i missed :P


kate O+


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>From: POSTMASTER@boardwalk.com
>Organization: Boardwalk BBS   (608)-257-0486   Madison, WI, USA
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>The 1/29 Jamiroquai show has been moved from Metro to the Riviera.
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>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>January
>  29 Wed  Jamiroquai // =MOVED FROM METRO=, more tix on sale Sat noon
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>    http://www.metrochicago.com
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>January
>  18 Sat  Tricky / Jeru The Damaja // 11:00
>
>
>chitown
>simple
>
>ps
>as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes
>


chitown
simple

ps
as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan 14 02:31:49 1997
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From: sch981@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Satya Chheda )
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Subject: ohio vs chicago
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Hey everybody..

I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm back on the list.. even though I
havent been on for over a year.  Anyways, I just wanted to give my 2 cents
about my thoughts on moving here to Chicago from Columbus Ohio.  Well, in
the past 3 months since I have been here, I have been to about 5-6 parties
that have been busted or shut down at an unreasonable hour or have had most
of the djs not show up.  I wonder sometimes why I moved here to deal with
all this crap when I was loving the columbus scene with the elementals..
Well, right now I have been talking to a few of my friends here in Chi town
and trying to figure out some alternatives or ways to avoid problems such
that I encountered last weekend.  I went to a small jungle party thrown by
Inkline Productions only to have the cops bust it down around 1:30 and to
experience the humiliating act of having to kneel to the floor with our
hands on our heads and being searched by these cops.  Isnt it even illegal
here to have male cops search females?  Well, not that I had anything on me,
but I felt quite violated being completely searched by these male cops. 
Anyways, in the past few months, I think I have dealt with more shit here
then I had ever imagined possible.  Now, I can truely say that I appreciate
Ohio and its scene because I none of this shit ever happened to me before I
moved here.  My feelings about "raves" in general were never jaded till
attending various Chicago parties.. I am even trying to think of the last
party that I went to that I even had fun at here? hmmmm.... no clue. 
Anyways, I know I am just rambling on and bitching about the same things
people probably have bitched about on here for years.. So well.. i guess
thats it.. umm.. you'll probably see me post on here more often now that i
have no life :P haha.. hi to all my friends out there! 

*hugs*

Satya

(disgrunted newcomer to chicago) :P

ps.. everyone in chicago.. go check out Liars Club this Thursday.. new
jungle night! :) see u there.

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan 14 06:08:28 1997
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At 07:03 PM 1/13/97 -0600, chrisE! wrote:
>i've already asked jon/dica/ultimate.platypus to pick me up, but if he
>can't do it, is there anyone else who'd be willing to either pick me up or
>just meet me there? I dont know madison that well...
>
I would offer but we're driving from ames and not sure how long it will be
to get there, some people said it takes 4 and a half hours ,  other people
say it takes 6! so we're just gonna leave early and get there early too. I
hear madison is a fun town so that shouldn't be a problem :)
>I might need crash space too... anyone want to help me with that?
>
I second that, if we can't find crash space we may just get a hotel for a
few hours.
>Oh, and it would be cool to hook up with people before the party... I'm
>gonna try for an earlier arrival on saturday. 
>
we wanna hook up with people too, i don't know madison at all(never been
there) but my friend knows it a little so we would need directions to
somewhere cool. Someones house be cool to chill at too :)

>thanks anyone,

-jeff


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i got the same return on one of my messages from the same bbs? what the
hell? anyone else gettin' this problem? eh well i'll probably just get this
bounced back anyways....



>>From: POSTMASTER@boardwalk.com
>>Organization: Boardwalk BBS   (608)-257-0486   Madison, WI, USA
>>Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 00:40:01 -0500
>>To: cmatts@artic.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>RETURNED MESSAGE ADVISORY - NO USER BY THIS NAME REGISTERED AT THIS SITE
>>============================================================================
>>
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>>rom mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan 13 11:13:07 1997
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>>From: cmatts@artic.edu (simple)
>>Subject: jamiroquai and tricky/jeru chciago concert info
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>>
>>UPDATES
>>-------
>>The 1/29 Jamiroquai show has been moved from Metro to the Riviera.
>>Additional tickets will go on sale Saturday at noon.
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Riviera Theatre:  4746 N. Racine (Lawrence & Broadway) / Chicago, IL / (TM)
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>January
>>  29 Wed  Jamiroquai // =MOVED FROM METRO=, more tix on sale Sat noon
>>
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Metro:  3730 N. Clark / Chicago, IL / (312) 549-0203 / (TM) /
>>    http://www.metrochicago.com
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>January
>>  18 Sat  Tricky / Jeru The Damaja // 11:00
>>
>>
>>chitown
>>simple
>>
>>ps
>>as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes
>>
>
>
>chitown
>simple
>
>ps
>as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes


/-dram-->/zth-


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan 14 07:00:18 1997
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Yeah, hey .. . . I got this too, what's up wit that? ;)

james clar

        Not that it really bothers me(Unless there are more of these stoopid
things coming:P  )


>
>>>From: POSTMASTER@boardwalk.com
>>>Organization: Boardwalk BBS   (608)-257-0486   Madison, WI, USA
>>>Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 00:40:01 -0500
>>>To: cmatts@artic.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>RETURNED MESSAGE ADVISORY - NO USER BY THIS NAME REGISTERED AT THIS SITE
>>>============================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>rom mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan 13 11:13:07 1997
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>>>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:10:01 -0500
>>>To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
>>>From: cmatts@artic.edu (simple)
>>>Subject: jamiroquai and tricky/jeru chciago concert info
>>>Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com
>>>Precedence: bulk
>>>
>>>
>>>UPDATES
>>>-------
>>>The 1/29 Jamiroquai show has been moved from Metro to the Riviera.
>>>Additional tickets will go on sale Saturday at noon.
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Riviera Theatre:  4746 N. Racine (Lawrence & Broadway) / Chicago, IL / (TM)
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>January
>>>  29 Wed  Jamiroquai // =MOVED FROM METRO=, more tix on sale Sat noon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Metro:  3730 N. Clark / Chicago, IL / (312) 549-0203 / (TM) /
>>>    http://www.metrochicago.com
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>January
>>>  18 Sat  Tricky / Jeru The Damaja // 11:00
>>>
>>>
>>>chitown
>>>simple
>>>
>>>ps
>>>as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes
>>>
>>
>>
>>chitown
>>simple
>>
>>ps
>>as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes
>
>
>/-dram-->/zth-
>
>
>::zach@mail.tds.net:::emote!:::...
>::zach@netconcepts.com:::tech!:::...
>::::Rhythm::is::fundamental::to::the::spirit::....
>::::{hmmmmm}::::::::::::::::{listen}::::::::::::::q0p!
>::::CARBoNCoPY2|21v.2:::::SPHERESeason1:::......
>::::internal::transmissions:::http://www.burroughs.net:::....
>::::status:nonOperational:::Please:Stand:By:::::::::01.01.97:::...
>
>
>
>


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From: Becky Wangenheim <beckie@one.net>
To: simple <cmatts@artic.edu>
cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
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I got the same message. My guess is that someone's box got too full, and
they forgot to unsub or something silly like that.


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On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, simple wrote:

> >From: POSTMASTER@boardwalk.com
> >Organization: Boardwalk BBS   (608)-257-0486   Madison, WI, USA
> >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 00:40:01 -0500
> >To: cmatts@artic.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >RETURNED MESSAGE ADVISORY - NO USER BY THIS NAME REGISTERED AT THIS SITE
> >============================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >rom mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan 13 11:13:07 1997
> >Received: from taz.hyperreal.com by fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com (8.6.9/MSN-1.4)
> >        id LAA03735; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:13:07 -0600
> >Received: from localhost by taz.hyperreal.com (8.8.3/V2.0) with SMTP id
> >JAA21793; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:04:16 -0800 (PST)
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> >-0800
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> >JAA21764; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:04:06 -0800 (PST)
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> >          by dune.artic.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP
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> >11:03:54 -0600 (CST)
> >X-Sender: cmatts@dune.artic.edu
> >Message-Id: <v01540b00af000dbc5059@[198.40.25.106]>
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:10:01 -0500
> >To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
> >From: cmatts@artic.edu (simple)
> >Subject: jamiroquai and tricky/jeru chciago concert info
> >Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com
> >Precedence: bulk
> >
> >
> >UPDATES
> >-------
> >The 1/29 Jamiroquai show has been moved from Metro to the Riviera.
> >Additional tickets will go on sale Saturday at noon.
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Riviera Theatre:  4746 N. Racine (Lawrence & Broadway) / Chicago, IL / (TM)
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >January
> >  29 Wed  Jamiroquai // =MOVED FROM METRO=, more tix on sale Sat noon
> >
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Metro:  3730 N. Clark / Chicago, IL / (312) 549-0203 / (TM) /
> >    http://www.metrochicago.com
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >January
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> >chitown
> >simple
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> >ps
> >as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes
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> 
> 
> chitown
> simple
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> ps
> as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes
> 
> 


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 Yeah no kidding!! We couldn't go either, and I want to hear what it was
like!!!

-Becky =)


On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Kate Catanese wrote:

> 
> is anyone going to review this party?? or did i delete them all by accident??
> 
> allroy?? stuff?? des?? ed??
> 
> come on! i want to know what i missed :P
> 
> 
> kate O+
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I hear Laurent Garnier is not showing up.....

At 11:58 PM 1/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>DOes anyone have any updates about this party? Know the promoters? Etc.....
>
>
>

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Does anyone else have any reviews of Aftershock?
I really do not remember much of that night, I remember the music and 
I know that it was awesome, but I spent most of the night in the couch
room, sitting and staring at nothing, so if anyone has any reviews
I would appreciate any thoughts on it.

Thank you


Lisa,  CrazyGirrl

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> I hear Laurent Garnier is not showing up.....

Laurent Garnier is not on the final flyer. So i guess you;re right, he
probably won't be there.

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*gets an  evil look on her face*

>we wanna hook up with people too, i don't know madison at all(never been
>there) but my friend knows it a little so we would need directions to
>somewhere cool. Someones house be cool to chill at too :)
>

Well, don't get directions from ultimate.platypus.  How many wrong turns
did we follow you in on the way to your own house, Jon?
*Muahahahahahahaha*

Just kidding,babe, you know I love ya to death.  As long as you don't try
to make me eat doughnuts, that is.

Always,
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At 01:37 AM 1/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: POSTMASTER@boardwalk.com

Hehehe, yeah I got three of 'em... I think mw-raves puked.

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thought that i would let all the 21+ ppl on the list that are in chicago
(or near by) about a night that they might want to check out.

im not sure on the full lowdown. but i do know or a fact that they are
having  a dj spin junlge, dub and some other stuff. ive seen him before
(but dont know his name other than geoff) and he a good dj. theres no cover
as far i i know.

and dont forget the liars club like satya allready posted, (you can call
dubshack for more info 847-604-1983
brockout
thurs/16th/chamberweed(detroit)/casper/3d/snuggles/phantom45/9pm/liersclub)

christian


chitown
simple

ps
as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes



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yeah i knwo someone prob got too much mail, but i thoughti owuld post it so
jeff gage would see. :P

christian


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the short short version:  muvment was a really fun party.

the longer short version:  muvment was a niiiiice old skool dirty ass
warehouse space.  any other time of year i would have loved the space.  but
it was FREEZING in there.  i didn't want to wear my coat inside because i
thought it'd be warm enough for just a sweater, plus i thought it'd be WAY
too dirty to wear a winter coat in there (as the voice mail said: "this is
an old skool, detroit style warehouse event, so leave your designer shit at
home").  but after about 15 minutes inside i realized i was going to freeze
without it (and my gloves!), so i ran out to the car and fetched our coats
and gloves and about froze my ass off in the process.  yikes!!  for subzero
temperatures we parked too far away from the door, that's for sure. but,
what are ya gonna do *shrug*

titonton's PA rocked (as to be expected), even more so than usual.  i just
wish i hadn't missed at least 1/2 of it.  oh well.  akilah bryant, frankly,
was boring...especially compared to the last time i saw her (home 96) when
she was absolutely fuckin bangin.  dj skull started out softer than i
expected and progressively got harder (and had some mixer problems early
on).  nice.  robert hood was good, but not as good as i was anticipating.
he did play some nice weird tekkno trax that messed with my head and made
people cheer, etc.  but the highlight of the evening, by far, was stacey
pullen.  incredible.  spun for a long time, and every track rocked.  he
opened with some voice sample off of a cd and played it in the middle of
his set as well.  he kept going through phases: housier phases, harder
phases, etc etc.  he was incredible.  he was stylin in that coat as well.
;)  kimyon spun a nice set after that and perry ellis went on with some
laid back house(what was that "we're trapped inside the box, we can't get
out etc etc" track??!?  i loved that).  we left during his set.

there was a nice size turnout for this event and the vibe was definitely
evident...not *strong*, but evident, which is more than i can say for most
parties nowadays.  up front everyone was screaming and dancing, etc.  lots
of fun, definitely worth my $18 (tho i heard they got the space for **250**
dollars??  geez...makes ya kinda wonder).  i just wish it had been warmer.
i don't know how many other people went through the same headache i did
trying to get their coat clean the next day.  i imagine a lot.  and my
heart goes out to you if you were one of the people i saw in beautiful
white coats... :(

btw, how many other people experienced the megadose of surreality that was
the "food and drink building"?!?  i saw a lot of kids in the party ROCKED
off their asses on some e, and i bet they flipped if they went into the
refreshment barn.  hahaha.  ;)  that place was all bright, and there were
some people, a family i think, covered in dirt, selling us food.
okaaaaaaay.  it *was* a bit warmer in there tho...

i'll let others fill in the details...

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, simple wrote:
> 
> and dont forget the liars club like satya allready posted, (you can call
> dubshack for more info 847-604-1983
> brockout
> thurs/16th/chamberweed(detroit)/casper/3d/snuggles/phantom45/9pm/liersclub)
> 

for a online version of the flyer for this club night, check 
http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet/jungle  and click the events link.:)

cheers,
dylan
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> that I encountered last weekend.  I went to a small jungle party thrown by
> Inkline Productions only to have the cops bust it down around 1:30 and to
> experience the humiliating act of having to kneel to the floor with our
> hands on our heads and being searched by these cops.  Isnt it even illegal
> here to have male cops search females?  Well, not that I had anything on me,
> but I felt quite violated being completely searched by these male cops. 


no it is not illegal  but it is immoral (imo)

mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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this problem will be taken care of on thursday evening/friday morning 
when gage has access to internet



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> >Subject: jamiroquai and tricky/jeru chciago concert info
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> >The 1/29 Jamiroquai show has been moved from Metro to the Riviera.
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> >chitown
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> >as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes
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> chitown
> simple
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> ps
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mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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i got the same thing in my box for every post i posted in the past few days,
simple...

got that returned msg from boardwalk bbs in madison <a bbs i actually used to
call> and i have no idea why they have anything to do with the
mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com or whatever.

and its weird, cuz it says its returned, but this returned msg shows up AFTER
the posts appear on the list.  odd, eh?

anyone else gettin this if they post?

jon/dica

np:  terry mullan - new skool fusion vol. 2


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you can stop emailing chris e about rides and the bus station and crash space,
cuz he is officially hooked up!

but i like the idea of gettin together before the party!  lets plan somethin!

jon/dica



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To: cmatts@artic.edu (simple), mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
From: Adam Tyr Dorfman <adorfman@niu.edu>
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Also Sunday nights at the Empty Bottle......The dub is iffy, the Jungle is
bumpin:)
peace,
adam:)



At 12:00 PM 1/14/97 -0500, simple wrote:
>thought that i would let all the 21+ ppl on the list that are in chicago
>(or near by) about a night that they might want to check out.
>
>im not sure on the full lowdown. but i do know or a fact that they are
>having  a dj spin junlge, dub and some other stuff. ive seen him before
>(but dont know his name other than geoff) and he a good dj. theres no cover
>as far i i know.
>
>and dont forget the liars club like satya allready posted, (you can call
>dubshack for more info 847-604-1983
>brockout
>thurs/16th/chamberweed(detroit)/casper/3d/snuggles/phantom45/9pm/liersclub)
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>christian
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>chitown
>simple
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan 14 13:55:41 1997
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Hi.  a friend of mine here is looking to get ahold of some of this shit,
but wants to do some research before he makes any final decision.  could
anyone (I don't care if they're multiple) give me some info on it?  (Check
the subject line if you're confused at this point.)  I figure that there
is at least one good source amongst the 500 of us who read the list.  
NEED INFO...LOSING WILL TO LIVE!!!

 Denke,kids.

Always,
erinaceous
;-}

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan 14 14:07:04 1997
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There have been some slight alterations to the line-up for TRAINWRECKING ...

djSLIP will not be spinning ... he is suppose to be going to ITALY.

djWisc, however, WILL BE spinning and if you've not caught this freak in
action, you should make note to - he's one of minneapolis's smoothest
drum&bass deejays.

So again ...

Jan 24th, 1997 - DJ Apollo presents ...

      .. T . R . A . I . N . W . R . E . C . K . I . N . G ..

resident trainwreckerz for the evening ...
                                         +.. dj Apollo
                                          .. dj Wisc
                                          .. j.burton aka dj earache
                                          .. planb
                                           + an extra special guest

--- the space: ecstatic musik/inneraktive nettwerx loft
---  the cost: $5.00
--- starts at: 11pm
--- info-line: 908-0025

Celebrating the "TRAINWRECKER" EP by DJ Apollo to be released in
february 1997 on Communique Records.

You can drop me a line if you need mo info: planb@primenet.com


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according to the massive response i recieved from everyone the trip to
louisville from the loop takes somewhere from 3.5 to 8 hours.  thanks.

if there is some sort of group forming to go this party that has an extra
spot in their car, or would like to carpool if i can find a ride on my
own, please get in touch with.

thanks 
mike


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On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Michael Deering Schuwerk wrote:

> 
> according to the massive response i recieved from everyone the trip to
> louisville from the loop takes somewhere from 3.5 to 8 hours.  thanks.
> 
> if there is some sort of group forming to go this party that has an extra
> spot in their car, or would like to carpool if i can find a ride on my
> own, please get in touch with.
> 
> thanks 
> mike
It takes 3.5 to 4.5 hours depending on how you drive.  I have made the
drive far more often than I care to think about and it is always about 3.5
hours for me, traffic cooperating.  Most people will take a little over 4
hours.

tim



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From: MARK <LANCAM01@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: AFTERSHOKKKK review (by request of crazysomething)
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okay okay okay
 
since jawsh's lazy-ass hasn't reviewed the party yet 8b.. i guess it's up to
me.. 

so here it is:
 
NUCLEAR WINTER WEEKEND IN REVIEW (by mark)
 
Friday night - IMPAKT
 
due to circumstances beyond cf's control (weather) john acquaviva's flight
was cancelled (at the last minute of course).. this pretty much fuckked
everything all up.. mike j. (werk) was going crazy trying to scoop another
headliner to fill in (woody, hyperactive, etc.) nothing doing though.. so it
went on
to proceed as normal.. here's how it went
 
at the loft (which sucked) (the backup space fell through on monday)
 
Overdose - brant spun acid and acid and acid and acid for like 3 hours i 
	   think (he ran out of rekkids).. good job though.. usual brant
	   style.. i like this guy... ;)

Zelus & Slip - they had a nice set of hardtechno.. gotta love it.
		slip was in a good mood 8) (he rules)
 
Werk - a house set by mister cf himself.. mike j.. okay (for house)

me - i'm not gonna say anything.. except i got to bust 'mustard cornflakes'
     thanks to isaac (who promptly took back the trak after i used it)
     well.. i had FUN... actually it was great.. a blast.. i could go on..
     guess you had to be there (chris E!)
 
special a - this new kid aaron who spins breaks.. his set was better on sat.

and that's that.
 
no frills really on friday.. enough nitrous to fuck up america.. but the 612
undaground kru was in attendance (minus jawsh)
 (chris e! you left too early!).. just kinda
another 'party at the loft'
 
and now on to sat night:
 
AFTERSHOKKKK!!!
 
this was much much much much nicer
 
there was defintely a vibe at this party.. the sound system was producing
some lovely bass... the laserz were just kewl (clinton!).. all in all it was
a great time... plus it was only $5 due to no john the previous night..
and if you think about it.. $5 was a great price for this partay..

 musik for the night went as follows:
 
   that guy from perpetual groove - i can't remember his name
 
   me (again) - yeahyeah.. i know.. you had to suffer though two sets from
		silly me in two nights.. you must've hated it.
		i spun hardacid for the kru.

   zelus (again) - i wish i was a promoter and got booked for every party
		   and got to spin every time at a better time slot (oops)
		  i mean.. ;)  zack did okay.  

   o'scar - i didn't realize that o'scar is the infamous 'nitrous guy'
	    at every minneapolis party.. wow.. crazy.  
    	    got a little too much 'i wanna be jeff mills' style..
	    and i've seen jeff mills.. and he didn't even compare.
		nice traks though.

   boogie & smooth -  oh shit.. ride ride ride ride ride...
                                work it work it work it work it

		      if there is anything that makes the minneapolis masses
                      just go 'buck'.. it's ghettohouse (the 612 kru
		      included).. i'm not talking alfredo either.. i mean
		      the 'real shiznit'... like boogie and smooth
		      the dancefloor went from like 5 ppl to about a billion
		      in 3 seconds.. just nuts.. phatbass too.
	
		
			i wish boogie was my dad.
 
			for real.. he is the happiest, smiliest muthafucker
		       on this planet.. they were just TOO MUCH FUN
			the floor was packed to the gills.. ppl just
			phreakin out.. going nuts.. GHETTO HOUSE UP YOUR ASS
			and then some.. what the hell.. my gf loves the
			stuff.. they rocked the 'proverbial house down'
                        two of the nicest guys you could ever meet..
			all (i mean ALL) the classics were played..
			

   werk & apollo -  this was an excellent tagteam set by these two..
			nothing but hard hard hard techno.. (my fav!)
		    it doens't get any better.. good job.  all the classics
		   from dave clarke, thomas heckmann, djax 135, and all
		    of dorey's classic 'acid stompers' were played..
	      	     (plus you had to see boogie and smooth dancing to these
		      guys.. it was just nuts.. just bustin to dave clarke)
	
side note:
	you know that a dj is just kewl when they stay after their set and 
	hit the dance floor.. what can i say?  

   special a (again) - better set this time.. he still has some trouble 
		   	matching beats.. but the breaks he was playing were
			perfect for the time (about 4am)

   grant wish - a newcomer from orlando.. his set was smooth-ass.. 
		tranced out breaks.. and just beautiful shit..
		great way to end the party
 
overall..
 
i had a superb weekend.. just fantabulous.. i wish john could've made it on
friday.. but considering it was like -80,000F this weekend.. and we still
pulled it off and had a good time.. well.. midwest ravers just know how to
deal.. thanks to everybody who came out for this freezing event.. and 
to everybody who helped produce a great vibe and a good time.. 

special thanks to:
jawsh and the 612 undagroudn kru, chris e!, dj slip, dj apollo and
everybody else... 
 i had a blast.
 
sorry this was so gawdamn long (but hey.. it was requested)
 
i'm outty.
 
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On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, matter wrote:

> 
> Hey everyone! :D
> 
> What ever happenned with alla that talk about the mw-raves laminates? I
> think they would be very helpful for connecting at events. We always see
> people posting that they can't find the net meets, so if we all got
> laminates to wear, I think it would be much easier. I took the
> initiative to make a silly graphic, which is sitting on my www site,
> below. I was considering that we could have each personalized with our
> handle or any silly old thing. ;) Check it out and let's see if we can
> get this together. ;)  your friend,
>                           http://www.mcs.net/~arduous/ |

okay.... as i said before, i have
a lamination machine at work, soooo...
i guess send info to me?




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I would really like to get on v-rave, but I don't know how!! I have been 
trying to figure this out for more than a month. Please help! Thanks a 
lot.
-- 
Weasel
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That address should be this, the other one doesn't work, typing mistake. 
Sorry,
-- 
DJ Weasel
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From: Jason Heikenfeld <jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu>
Subject: The Buzz, Cincinnati, this friday
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Hey Cincy peeps!

Matt (JAMES) Brown brought my ears to the attention of a little
 happening at the Buzz coffee shop by U.C. campus,
 (and only one block from where I live) Mainly trance
 and jungle, 10 to 3 am, and 3$. They've done this once
 before, and are needin support. Thats all I know,
 but I'll be there for 3$! If locals need directions
 gimmi a shout. I havent danced in a couple of weeks
 cuz I trashed my foot at Moist... but its A-O.K. now!

Got used guns to sell? Bring em to the show.
Tell a buddy, bring a friend, but dont you dare miss it.

  er uh.. oops, thats for Bill Goodmans Gun n Knife show :P

 originally ignorant
 formerly knowledgeable
 currently hypocritical		-Jason H  
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  /     Jason C. Heikenfeld  jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu
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>Hi.  a friend of mine here is looking to get ahold of some of this shit,
>but wants to do some research before he makes any final decision.  could
>anyone (I don't care if they're multiple) give me some info on it?  (Check
>the subject line if you're confused at this point.)  I figure that there
>is at least one good source amongst the 500 of us who read the list.
>NEED INFO...LOSING WILL TO LIVE!!!


what you are talking about is peyote buttons which come from the peyote
cactus, which is indigineous to mexico and parts of central america, these
buttons contain naturally occuring mescaline, very very hard to find, i
have only had them twice and that was whn i lived in california, when you
ingest these dont plan on anything for a day or two, also when you eat them
you will get violently ill for around 45-60 minutes then you will trip
fukkin ballz, completely different trip than acid or shrooms, actually
kinda mellow but very intense in its own way......another option is to get
ahold of synthetic mescaline which is a lot more plentiful and there has
been some around the midwest recently, they are kinda funny lookin, they
look like a pebble of sand and you wont think they will do a lot for you
but they do....hope this info was useful

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i feel so shitty.  i feel like i have the flu.  whole body aches, chills/fever,
a bit queasy stomach... kind of floaty.

anyone wanna confirm my fears?

im still goin to see drc... so nyah to all the diseases of the world <yes, that
includes you.   hahaha  just kiddin yall!  :D>

jon/dica

np:  paul johnson - track by track


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     In additon to Jason's post about the buzz coffee shop i believe CBS 
     puts on "Rotation Station" at the Angst coffee shop in Clifton every 
     monday night for FREE.  i am not sure if they are still doing this, 
     but to my knowledge they still were. u might want to call Angst or the 
     CBS info line for more information.  i do not have any of those 
     numbers handy.... but i am sure u can get um if u let your figures do 
     the walking.
     
     -mark


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Subject: The Buzz, Cincinnati, this friday
Author:  Jason Heikenfeld <jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu> at internet
Date:    1/14/97 7:42 PM


Hey Cincy peeps!
     
Matt (JAMES) Brown brought my ears to the attention of a little
 happening at the Buzz coffee shop by U.C. campus, 
 (and only one block from where I live) Mainly trance
 and jungle, 10 to 3 am, and 3$. They've done this once 
 before, and are needin support. Thats all I know,
 but I'll be there for 3$! If locals need directions 
 gimmi a shout. I havent danced in a couple of weeks 
 cuz I trashed my foot at Moist... but its A-O.K. now!
     
Got used guns to sell? Bring em to the show.
Tell a buddy, bring a friend, but dont you dare miss it.
     
  er uh.. oops, thats for Bill Goodmans Gun n Knife show :P
     
 originally ignorant
 formerly knowledgeable
 currently hypocritical  -Jason H  
   _________________________________________________
  /     Jason C. Heikenfeld  jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu
 /      phat eveready kat freestylin though the nine
/       http://www.eng.uc.edu/~jheikenf/index.html


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here's my views on the brrrrrrrrrrr'y  evening:

man was it coooooold!

aside from that though, i couldn't have asked for anything more.

Titonton was rocking the place when we got there.  i had no idea that his
pa's had gotten so banging!  this was one of the best pa's i had ever
witnessed.  it had very many styles to it.  the obvious banging element (no
pun intended) that i just mentioned, the lush melodies that he is more known
for, and subtle experimentation.  everything i love about techno all wrapped
up in a one hour live performance.  watch out for this man, everybody.  

i agree with allroy that akilah bryant was not too impressive, especially
from what i had heard about her.

then came her husband, dj skull.  i enjoyed his set very much, even though
there were problems to begin with.  it started out slower and got much more
tracky by the end.  i enjoyed him a lot more than i thought i would.

then came rob hood.  being an *immense* fan of his, i expected nothing more
than supreme greatness.  what i got was an eluding, dark, creepy set.  i
loved it.  for some reason, however, i seemed to think that he was capable
of more.  as i watched he seemed not to be enjoying himself very much, often
shaking his head at mixes or song selection.  he was having a great time
beforehand (not that i was stalking him or anything.  who, me?)  but i think
he wasn't very happy about his performance.  i nonetheless enjoyed it,
especially when he played around with two copies of "the pace" and any other
time he dropped one of his own tracks.

one thing i noticed unique about hood's deejaying methods was that after he
put his record on and cued it up, he would immediately go to his crate and
arrange for what was next all while listening to the mix in his headphones
and occasionally adjusting the pitch on the record.  basically, he was
killing two birds with one stone.  i realized that this would save a lot of
time but also would require a large amount of concentration.  nonetheless,
it was something that i just noticed.

next up, and certainly the overall highlight, was stacey pullen.  this guy
has not ceased to amaze me each of the three times i have seen him!  played
for just over two hours.  i danced my ass off, which is something i haven't
done in quite a while.  i spent most of his set in front of the speaker,
which i *never* do!  anyhow, his set had so much substance to it.  ethereal
dreamy layers of melody at times, pounding intense techno at others.  it
started out housey even.  it was just great, i couldn't have been more pleased.

kimyon and pery ellis both did good jobs of winding the party down.  my feet
were too busy begging for heat for me to really give accurate reviews of
their sets.

THE LIGHTS:

perfect for me.  my ideal setup, two roboscans (or something like that) on
each side with a laser in the middle.  nothing more.  fantastic.  good
programming too on both.  

THE SOUND:

some people seemed to complain that it was too soft.  i thought it was fine
as long as yu were halfway up from the back (or the front, depending on how
you look at it :))  it was a bit soft compared to most parties, but most
parties have waaay too loud of sound anyway!


anyway, it was a perfect evening for me except for that damn cold weather!
i don't mind gettin a little dirty if it means hearing some quality techno
all night...


--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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Uh... Madison, like, rocks.

Posting to the list, like I have to fuckin' 'xplain myself, cuz I know
others r interested in Madison crash space, et all... :D

At 09:08 PM 1/14/97 -0500, ultimate.platypus@njackn.com wrote:
>
>i feel so shitty.  i feel like i have the flu.  whole body aches,
chills/fever,
>a bit queasy stomach... kind of floaty.
>
>anyone wanna confirm my fears?

yes, jon, u r afraid. ;) Hopes u feel better! *SmoooOOOoooOOOch* (2 much
vrave)

>im still goin to see drc... so nyah to all the diseases of the world <yes,
that
>includes you.   hahaha  just kiddin yall!  :D>

Kewls, so what's the hookup for crash space? can we stay at your place or
should we look elsewheres?  Hit me private or post to the list if u b so
inclined. :D

>jon/dica
>
>np:  paul johnson - track by track

np: pump panel :)

your bud,
 matter

I was a lesbian before my sex change. ;)
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Yeah I know it's in the archives.... ;)

At 09:19 PM 1/14/97 -0800, Linda Mautner wrote:
>I would really like to get on v-rave, but I don't know how!! I have been 
>trying to figure this out for more than a month. Please help! Thanks a 
>lot.

yeah, telnet to hyperreal.com port 7283 (rave on tt phone)

once, you've connected it is very hard to leave...
good luck, sucker! ;) j/k

matter


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Hardcore/ Gabber is the last underground dance mewzik.... 


P-

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I was wondering if anyone could suggest someplace to go on thursday night
around detroit or ann arbor.  I'm going to be hanging out with some friends in
the area since i no longer have friday classes, but i don't get out there too
often during the week so i really don't know what to do.  any suggestions would
be appreicated.


--
joff
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
-- Albert Einstein


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>> that I encountered last weekend.  I went to a small jungle party thrown by
>> Inkline Productions only to have the cops bust it down around 1:30 and to
>> experience the humiliating act of having to kneel to the floor with our
>> hands on our heads and being searched by these cops.  Isnt it even illegal
>> here to have male cops search females?  Well, not that I had anything on me,
>> but I felt quite violated being completely searched by these male cops.


cops only have to provide a female when they are available....if there are
no female cops within the vicinity and ccop may perform what they refer to
as a "pat down" search for weapons to ensure they're safety....if they find
anything at one time it was inadmissable as evidence, but several lower
courts have allowed it admitted as evidence and this was supported by
several higher appeals court but this specific supposed violation of
constitutional rights has never been reviewed by the supreme
court........personally male, female, or canine i feel violated anytime i
am searched, any seconds on that?!?!?!

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what is everyones views about DJ Lars

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cool. thanks. oh and imnot sure if its free so dont quote me, im just
passing on what i was told.

christian


>On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, simple wrote:
>>
>> and dont forget the liars club like satya allready posted, (you can call
>> dubshack for more info 847-604-1983
>> brockout
>> thurs/16th/chamberweed(detroit)/casper/3d/snuggles/phantom45/9pm/liersclub)
>>
>
>for a online version of the flyer for this club night, check
>http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet/jungle  and click the events link.:)
>
>cheers,
>dylan
>_____________________________________________________________________
>| dylan bryne  dj ricochet
>| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu
>| personal homepage: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet
>| mw jungle page: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet/jungle



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Laurent Garnier was never on the flyer for Direct Drive, so I would bet
that you're right. :)

*Megan/Princess*

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On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Adam Tyr Dorfman wrote:

> I hear Laurent Garnier is not showing up.....
> 
> At 11:58 PM 1/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >DOes anyone have any updates about this party? Know the promoters? Etc.....
> >
> >
> >
> 


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>what is everyones views about DJ Lars


who is he?????????

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>Hardcore/ Gabber is the last underground dance mewzik.... 

Go to holland and you'll see that it isnt really underground anymore !

bye
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>Objet: Acceptation of Techno culture
>
>Date : Tuesday 11th March 1997
>
>Subj:   Internet Signature petition: SAVE TECHNO CULTURE 
>
>Dear Friends:
>
>Please help the TECHNO CULTURE to be accepted. Just add your name 
>to the list and send the message to everyone you know. 
>
>After two years of tractation, the city and political members of Martigny
(Switzerland) 
>claim against the TECHNO CULTURE. We want to show them that TECHNO is real  
>and worldwide.
>
>
>ALL YOU DO IS ADD YOUR NAME TO THE LIST AT THE
>BOTTOM, then forward it to everyone you know.
>
>The only time you send it to the included address is if you are the
>50th,100th, etc. Send it on to everyone you know. 
>
>Martigny and lot's of Politicians still believe that TECHNO is NOT a culture.
>
>Please add your name to this list if you believe in what we stand for.
>This list will be forwarded to the City of Martigny! 
>
>If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc.  signer of this petition,
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>
>Forward this to everyone you know,
>Thank you.

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>what is everyones views about DJ Lars

if you turn on mtv you can "view" him on the real world.

:P

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
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>>what is everyones views about DJ Lars
>
>if you turn on mtv you can "view" him on the real world.


ahh that explainz why i dont know him or have never heard of him, another
one of corporate ameriKKKz experiments with the scene, well i think he'z
RAD....NOT!!!

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Your are right sir, Laurent is not coming.

French E

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I hear Laurent Garnier is not showing up.....

At 11:58 PM 1/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>DOes anyone have any updates about this party? Know the promoters? Etc.....
>
>
>

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DJ Lars works for MTV. He was once in Louisville Sept 96 and did a great set.

French E

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>what is everyones views about DJ Lars


who is he?????????

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On peyote.....

>From the Introduction to the book:

Psychologically, the salient characteristic of peyote is its production of
visual hallucinations or color visions, as well as kinaesthetic, olfactory
and auditory derangements. Psychiatrists have used it (experimentally)
with unsatisfactory results in producing temporary psychosis, and
therapeutically its use has been similarly disappointing because of the
uncertainty of action of the antagonistic alkaloids, brilliant color
visions are produced, which last for several hours. There are no ill
after-effects, and peyote is not known to be habit forming. These
properties have led to a number of non-ritual uses by natives for
prophesying, clairvoyance, finding lost objects and the like, as well as
empirically for the cure of all manner of illnesses.

Keep in mind that probably 99% of all peyote use is done in a VERY
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On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Mark L Dienger wrote:

>      In additon to Jason's post about the buzz coffee shop i believe CBS 
>      puts on "Rotation Station" at the Angst coffee shop in Clifton every 
>      monday night for FREE.  i am not sure if they are still doing this, 
>      but to my knowledge they still were. u might want to call Angst or the 
>      CBS info line for more information.  i do not have any of those 
>      numbers handy.... 

yeah, I think they are... Or at least they were the last time I talekd to
Damon. Rotation Station is a jungly/ambient/mellow thing. Dont expect any
hard music. It's a pure time for chillout. Or at least it WAS. =)

but i am sure u can get um if u let your figures do 
>      the walking.

You mean your fingers do the walking??? ;)

>      
>      -mark
> 
> 


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Hey, I got a flyer for a party this weekend, but the fricking thing 
didn't have a number... does anyone have any info on this?





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Thanks a bunch to everyone who responded!!!
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> what is everyones views about DJ Lars
> 
i think he is a hunk of mtv meat,  i have never heard him spin out, but i 
have heard some rather bad review of his sets specifically the one at 
cocoon in chicago   hopefully i am wrong about this and he is a kick ass 
dj that deserves all the support he has gotten from empty V, but from 
what i ve heard he is strickly bootie:

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On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 Starbaby98@aol.com wrote:

> what is everyones views about DJ Lars
> 
he was the only one i really liked on the london season of the real world.;)

i dunno i heard he's a really nice guy but a shit dj. *shrug* i don't 
really care either way, there are 10000 djs on this planet, and lars isnt 
one of my main concerns. but i do have to say in defense of lars, and in 
response to blitz's "he's a tool of corporate ameriKKKa" reply, he's not. 
the guy is german and has been spinning for some time now, and was 
introduced to america by the mtv show "the real world".  i thought it 
cool that mtv was so bold as to have a techno dj on that show, given 
their generally anti-dance music programming. however they decided, when 
the time came to do the episode concerning lars' djing, to put "yall 
ready for this" by yes you guessed it, 2 unlimited, in the background. oh 
well.

now if alec empire and the other members of atari teenage riot could be 
on next year's season and have riots every week, that would be worth 
watching.

cheers,
dylan

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Hey... last year we all gave our opinions on the best (and worse) flyers
for '95...  How about '96!!

I wasn't here for most of the summer, so I missed alot, but I'll look
through all my old flyers and try to come up with some good categories.

how 'bout it???

j-Sun...


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On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, robert anthony conder wrote:

> 
> > what is everyones views about DJ Lars
> > 
> i think he is a hunk of mtv meat,  i have never heard him spin out, but i 
> have heard some rather bad review of his sets specifically the one at 
> cocoon in chicago   hopefully i am wrong about this and he is a kick ass 
> dj that deserves all the support he has gotten from empty V, but from 
> what i ve heard he is strickly bootie:
> 
Actually, he is one of the better house djs that has spun for evolution
prod., I would rate him in the top 1/5 at least.  

tim
 


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> Hey... last year we all gave our opinions on the best (and worse) flyers
> for '95...  How about '96!!

well, i got it in 96, but it's a 97 party...

best flyer ever goes to RELEASE by the urban(a) techno collective.  
if you haven't seen it, the flyer is a kool-aid packet with a sticker on
the back. the sticker has the lineup on it.  who can throw away a flyer
like that?!?

Other cool flyers were "beneathe the emerald city," "Critical Mass"
(minneapolis), and "Culture Shock" (also minneapolis- gotta love silver
ink!)...  

and a few others... Elektrik Disko and UFO3. "Pele, goddess of fire" had a
rad flyer even though I hear the party was wack.

Oh, and the flyer for "Dynamica" in Ohio this weekend is pretty damn cool
too... it's printed on this really heavy cardboard... i thought it was
plastic at first!

chrisE!

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>On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, robert anthony conder wrote:
>
>>
>> > what is everyones views about DJ Lars

He may spin bootie house,  or whatever.. But I specifically watched those
eopisodes of the real world in which he was focused on.  He seemed to love
the music, and the art of dj'ing.  Thats all I need to know.
He didn't come off as a popularity freak, but then again, who knows.

Besides, he happens to be cute as fuck. ; )





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I really liked the one flyer... shoot.. nevermind, it was a flyer for a
party in New York, not here in the midwest.... Okay then, my favortie
flyers are the ones I got from Ed Luna at Beryllium and Carbon that are
poster size. =) They make great wall-hangings... =)

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My vote has to go for the "Ocean Mirror" rave in Minneapolis (September 
12).  Not only was that the best party Minneapolis has seen in the last 5 
years, but it also featured the greatest tekkno dj in the history of 
rekkids: DJ Moishe Macabbe.

The flier was incredible.. made out of silly putty, and had the 
information printed on it.  Depending on how far out it was stretched, 
you ended up at either the right space, or at a 24 hr Truck Stop

'twas a great party, and a great year.
-Jason

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being partial to small flyers and all, i would have to say that one of the
better flyers of 1996 was the flyer for dynamic groove's _equal_. it was
just so damned cute. :P


kate O+


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hey does anybody know if derek carter really does spin at Club Soda on
Wednesday nights in chicago? I heard this and wondering if its true or just
a rumor?

satya


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The party has been postponed for a while do to problems.  I'm not directly
affilated with the people that were suppose to throw the party but i do know
them.  There is a party in East Lansing and Detroit this weekend though.
Neither look to spectular and is the reason that i'm heading to chicago and
giving them one last chance.


>
> Hey, I got a flyer for a party this weekend, but the fricking thing
> didn't have a number... does anyone have any info on this?
>
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joff
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Hello!

i am moving to Chicago the second week of February. i am very interested in
meeting some of the people in the Chicago area that are into the scene
there, as i will be moving alone and won't know a soul. 

Next weekend, i will be in the city to find a place to live and to go to
check out my new job. If anything is going on, and anyone would like to be
hospitable enough to show me some spots, PLEEZ email me soon so i can make
plans with you to get together!

hope to meet some friendly folks in the mw area soon!

tatochip
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>> that I encountered last weekend.  I went to a small jungle party thrown by
>> Inkline Productions only to have the cops bust it down around 1:30 and to
>> experience the humiliating act of having to kneel to the floor with our
>> hands on our heads and being searched by these cops.  Isnt it even illegal
>> here to have male cops search females?  Well, not that I had anything on me,
>> but I felt quite violated being completely searched by these male cops.
>
>
>no it is not illegal  but it is immoral (imo)

I thought it was illegal.  That's what I was told after a little party I
was at a couple years back got busted and the cops made all the girls go
into another room and we had to wait a half hour for female cops to show up
so we could be searched.  I don't know why they would possibly let male
cops search girls for fear of a potential sexual harassment suit.

"we'll see how brave you are,
	how fast you'll be running.."

Joy Stark-Vancs
112 S. Michigan Ave.
Room 7E, Box 183
Chicago, IL 60603






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> 
> Hello!
> 
> i am moving to Chicago the second week of February. i am very interested
in
> meeting some of the people in the Chicago area that are into the scene
> there, as i will be moving alone and won't know a soul. 
> 
> Next weekend, i will be in the city to find a place to live and to go to
> check out my new job. If anything is going on, and anyone would like to
be
> hospitable enough to show me some spots, PLEEZ email me soon so i can
make
> plans with you to get together!
> 
> hope to meet some friendly folks in the mw area soon!
> 
> tatochip
> 
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 15 15:12:48 1997
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My personal fave is the pre-flyer for this year's Furthur, which said 
"Techno is the devil's music! _Beware_" I keep it on my mirror to remind me 
that no matter how bad my midterms are looking, I'm going next year, dammit!!

-corrie
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 15 16:19:11 1997
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Someone mentioned not doing anything for two days after ingesting
peyote, and that you get sick for about an hour.  Well, my friend told me
(keep in mind this isnot my own experience) that she picked a button right
off a cactus, puked for 24 HOURS and then tripped balls for 4 DAYS.  I
couldn't handle that shit, man.

--Amy


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On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> Hardcore/ Gabber is the last underground dance mewzik.... 
> 
> 
> P-
> 
After New Years in Milwaukee, I can't seem to understand how anyone could
call Hardcore or Gabber DANCE music.  There was no bassline to anyof the
hardcore, and the dancing to the bassline of gabber would kill you.  Justv
my $.02       --Amy



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I was going to send this privately to Matt (hey there!!!) but now I'm
wondering if maybe I'm wrong and some of the more informed D kids can
correct me.  Is Thursday's at the shelter (Adriel's gig) still going on?
If it is, that's where I would be every Thursday night if I didn't have to
get up at 7 a.m. everyday.  Anyway Matt, call or stop by if you are in
Ann Arbor.  I thought you were going to the Nectarine?

--Amy


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The 420 flier was pretty cool.

--Amy


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On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Amy Rene Rickets wrote:

> After New Years in Milwaukee, I can't seem to understand how anyone could
> call Hardcore or Gabber DANCE music.  There was no bassline to anyof the
> hardcore, and the dancing to the bassline of gabber would kill you.  Justv
> my $.02       --Amy

im trying to figure out where there was gabber...? dan doormouse did 
noisecore ( i hear ) and other than that...total output was approaching 
what could be considered gabber/hardcore but never really quite got 
there, and alec empire was erm i guess noisecore meets what is called the 
"dark digittal hardcore" genre, which is IMO where both original forms of 
hardcore (uk and dutch/belgian) meet. like techstep (dark jungle) without 
the half tempo bassline.

and gabber is just one of those things that wasn't intended for kids to 
show off moves to, it was always about pumpin yer fist in the air and 
speaker fucking. not the most graceful forms of dance music but it 
defenitely has its place. "hate tank" is still one of my all time fave 
tracks.;)

cheers,
dylan


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I haven't read the calandar on hyperreal in a while, and I just decided to
take apeek.  I came across a promising looking line up for  Home 97, which
supposedly this month, but I haven't heard anymention of it (of course, I
did n't check my e-mail for about a week and then just deleted the over
200 messages i got-so maybe I missed this discussion already.)  

Anyway, do any of you know anything else about this?  And what's this shit
about "not to diss Detroit...techno did not come from there..." (I guess I
shouldn't have put quotes--it's not exact but it's pretty darn close to
what the entry said ) All
I have to say is... whatever.  If you don't know the difference between
Chicago acid-house and DETROIT TECHNO (it is in it's own genre-even
compared to 'other kinds' of techno)--God help you. 

Anyway-what's the scoop?

Uninformed (as usual),
--Amy



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um im not sure, but miles maeda and diz will be at  shelter faiday 17.

and i jsut foundthe flier the flier for club soda.

derrick carter and cajmere w/ diz weds at club soda starting dec 18th. 10-4am.
646n franklin

fyi, im not tryignto promote either of these events but jsut tringto inform.



simple

>hey does anybody know if derek carter really does spin at Club Soda on
>Wednesday nights in chicago? I heard this and wondering if its true or just
>a rumor?
>
>satya



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hi...

i'm taking off to boulder next week
so here i am unsubbing for what very well could be the last time 
it's been fun
probably see some of you at even further
be good ;}


        *hugs*


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>
> I was going to send this privately to Matt (hey there!!!) but now I'm
> wondering if maybe I'm wrong and some of the more informed D kids can
> correct me.  Is Thursday's at the shelter (Adriel's gig) still going on?
> If it is, that's where I would be every Thursday night if I didn't have to
> get up at 7 a.m. everyday.  Anyway Matt, call or stop by if you are in
> Ann Arbor.  I thought you were going to the Nectarine?
>
 Just to let everyone know, Soundlab 009 (adreils gig, actually Tribe9's gig)
stopped about mid way last fall.hated to see it go. but if anyone wants to know
Adriel does have a store below Zoots and is still producing NUDE magazine

Diana

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I'd have ta say that I really dug the flyer for ATP/Core's NYE party,
Truth.  Nice custom cut job and this neato print process with metallic ink
that looked matte from straight on.  I dug it.  Emerald City was pretty
nice too....but Chris is right.  RELEASE by the UTC takes the cake.
Mmmmmm  Kool-aidey! :)

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Amy Rene Rickets wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Hardcore/ Gabber is the last underground dance mewzik....
> >
> >
> > P-
> >
> After New Years in Milwaukee, I can't seem to understand how anyone could
> call Hardcore or Gabber DANCE music.  There was no bassline to anyof the
> hardcore, and the dancing to the bassline of gabber would kill you.  

there was no gabber on new years in milwaukee (at least in the main
room).  and really there was no hardcore in that room either.  the
closest thing was an hour and a half of noise and an hour and a half of
acid. in the second room though there was probably a ton of hardcore
considering the lineup.  what was in the main room your not really
obligated to dance to - it's for riots and such.

kurt

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   sorry to say but the party this sat <biorhythm> finna be in appleton <1.5
hours away from madtown> . i talked to the guy from pop one and he said it
was beause they got a bigger/better/more secure space.  
   im sure most of you have already figured this out, or someone has already
posted it, but just a reminder.  im still plannin on goin.  does anyone know
if the mappoint will be in madtown or appletown? jus a wonderin'. 
608.241.7677 <---population one
608.258.0098  <---eucalyptus

peace.     ink.madcitymob     jason    ((( net meet? 2am? )))

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if this is actually going on, someone let me know NOW.

home 96 was incredible.  someone post a lineup, please.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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1.) even furthur

2.) hardcore chicago

3.) decadence

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  I heard it was Diz and Cajmere.  Gossip, Gossip!

peace,

Jason Krider

On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Satya Chheda wrote:

> hey does anybody know if derek carter really does spin at Club Soda on
> Wednesday nights in chicago? I heard this and wondering if its true or just
> a rumor?
> 
> satya
> 
> 

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I personally liked the larger Truth flyer, with the "Truth" cut out in a 
nifty font. Th smaller one was ok, but on the big one they made a nice 
use of the space on the back too.
-- 
DJ Weasel
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3326/

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I saw him at Cocoon(was that it?).....one phat, extended mix........i
didn't get into his choice of records much though....
Peace,
adam:)

np. Aphex Twin: "The Richard D. James Album"<------Beleive me. U need to
own it



At 11:15 AM 1/15/97 UT, you wrote:
>DJ Lars works for MTV. He was once in Louisville Sept 96 and did a great set.
>
>French E
>
>----------
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Amy Rene Rickets wrote:
> 
> I was going to send this privately to Matt (hey there!!!) but now I'm
> wondering if maybe I'm wrong and some of the more informed D kids can
> correct me.  Is Thursday's at the shelter (Adriel's gig) still going > on? If it is, that's where I would be every Thursday night if I didn't > have to get up at 7 a.m. everyday.  Anyway Matt, call or stop by if > you are in Ann Arbor.  I thought you were going to the Nectarine?
> 
> --Amy

adriel's gig? um. st. andy's? nope. the "soundlab" series hasn't been
goin' on since like september. they were pretty good too...

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At 09:36 PM 1/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>   sorry to say but the party this sat <biorhythm> finna be in appleton <1.5
>hours away from madtown> . i talked to the guy from pop one and he said it
>was beause they got a bigger/better/more secure space.  
>   im sure most of you have already figured this out, or someone has already
>posted it, but just a reminder.  im still plannin on goin.  does anyone know
>if the mappoint will be in madtown or appletown? jus a wonderin'. 
>608.241.7677 <---population one
>608.258.0098  <---eucalyptus
>
>peace.     ink.madcitymob     jason    ((( net meet? 2am? )))
>
ack, hmmmm, not sure how this will affect plans. is appleton east or west
or whatver of madison??
best laid plans..


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surprised this isnt on the calendar....

SATURDAY JANUARY 25           CHICAGO                      HOME 97
 
WE ARE THE CREATORS AND HOUSE MUSIC STARTED THIS WAY...
 
In our ever continuing efforts to bring high quality events to 
the Chicagoland area, we would like to stress the importance 
of creating a positive environment, a place where everyone is 
equal as well as important, a place where everyone can call 
HOME.

*Farley "Jackmaster Funk"*              *Paul Johnson*
 
chicago's godfather of house            first introduced to the scene
in his exclusive birthday               at home 94.  since then, paul
appearance.                             has become a regular in chicago.
 
*Larry Heard AKA Mr. Fingers*           *Michael Dearborn*
 
producer of some of the earliest        spinning a rare acid house set.
deep house tracks.  black market
records, uk.

*Spencer Kincy*                         *Josh Werner*
 
aka gemini, known for many chicago      co partner to dj sneak, josh is
classics and has currently remixed      definitely a name to look out for
the latest dajae single.                in the years to come.
 
*Mark Farina*                           *Boris*
 
direct from san francisco               the black damian of house music.
returning for his second
appearance at HOME.
 
house preservation society:  MYSTIC BILL - TRAXX - DAVEY DAVE
teamsters:  HALO - JUSTIN LONG

 
HOME 97 will feature:
 
funk & habit lounge
ev-mt sound system
new venue with 2 main arenas
interactive multimedia exhibit
vending village
 
info:  312.604.1676 / 312.604.1978              vibe alive
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YES!! Noise!

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What..... so you want me to go?? Is that it??

Well... huh!!

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I thought that the Truth flyer said TRUCK!

Phil

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Easily, my fave was the one I got at Teknosaurus3 for the Columbus party
Dynamica from E.R. Productions and fluid. This was that black and white
laminate with the nifty and simple psychedlic patterns on it. Finally, one
flyer that didn't end up getting all bent and wrinkled.

your friend,
 matter

(why am I up this late?)


arduous nucelus / upcoming show dates:

01.24.97 / RELEASE / Urbana, IL / Urban(a) Techno Collective / US.217.353.5111
02.07.97 / POLARIS / Madison, WI / Joint Effort / US.608.275.3197

I was a lesbian before my sex change. ;)
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im lookinga thte flier rihgt now. it is derrick carter, cajmere and diz.>
I heard it was Diz and Cajmere.  Gossip, Gossip!
>
>peace,
>
>Jason Krider
>
>On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Satya Chheda wrote:
>
>> hey does anybody know if derek carter really does spin at Club Soda on
>> Wednesday nights in chicago? I heard this and wondering if its true or just
>> a rumor?
>>
>> satya
>>
>>



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I got this off of the net and thought some of you might be interested 
and since Charles isn't on these days i thought i would foward it to 
you all.



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coming to madison, february 7th, 1997.. .   .
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 just to make things straight, thursdays night at the shelter wasnt exclusivly
Adriels thing. it was put on by soundlab 009. nobody really know why it
stopped, there were lots of RUMORS flyin around. adriel now does a clothing
store below Zoots on 2nd and still does promo stuff and contributes to NUDE
magazine.

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I was just saw George Michael's "FastLove" and just noticed that near the
end he samples Randall Crawford's "Forget Me Nots" into the background.
Anyways, I'd never noticed this before and thought it was kinda neat. I
don't really like Randall Crawford's Forget Me Nots" (too mellow), but the
way George Michael incorporates it into his song fits perfectly. Anyways,
I'm just mummbling. . .
;)

James Clar


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>
>
> I was just saw George Michael's "FastLove" and just noticed that near the
> end he samples Randall Crawford's "Forget Me Nots" into the background.
> Anyways, I'd never noticed this before and thought it was kinda neat. I
> don't really like Randall Crawford's Forget Me Nots" (too mellow), but the
> way George Michael incorporates it into his song fits perfectly. Anyways,
> I'm just mummbling. . .
> ;)
>
 actaully 'forget me not' was a disco tune originally by Patrice
somethingortoher-i forget. but it did originate in the 70s
just thought you'd like to know
DIana> >


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> > 
> After New Years in Milwaukee, I can't seem to understand how anyone could
> call Hardcore or Gabber DANCE music.  There was no bassline to anyof the
> hardcore, and the dancing to the bassline of gabber would kill you.  Justv
> my $.02       --Amy
> 
was this the fault of the sound system, sound technician, or the fact 
that the music being played was just too fast and the speakers couldn't 
keep up with it?  i was at that party, and i thought that they might have 
been a bit too exited and turned it up too loud, but then again i have 
never really paid much attention to hardcore, so it might sound distorted 
all the time....

also...what was up with the girls in the skimpy rubber outfits dancing on 
the poles that were set on the stage? were they hired...i would hate to 
think that part of my $20 admission went to support something so 
blantanly sexist.  

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>also...what was up with the girls in the skimpy rubber outfits dancing on
>the poles that were set on the stage? were they hired...i would hate to
>think that part of my $20 admission went to support something so
>blantanly sexist.

i move that we pass a mw-raves ordinance making it unlawful to exhume dead
threads ;)

seriously, let's not go through this *again* :P

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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hiya...i am susie (co listowner of dcraves) and i will be in chicago and
st. louis in the next week...and you may ask why is susie, a warm friendly
californian, going to the midwest from jan 17-27?  cuz she is totally
crazy...loco infact...

i would love to hang out and meet you all (and maybe go to some
parties???)

please send me email if you want to hang out...susie (:


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hey people... I just found out a round trip bus ticket is actually about
$60 to madison from minneapolis.  I just dont know if I can afford it!
I'd really like to get down there for Biorythm, but it's pretty damn
expensive...

anyone want to start a "get chrisE! to madison" fund?  if everyone on the
list donates just $1, I'll be a rich man... (just kidding of course!)

so depending on the way things go over the next 2 days, I may or may not
be actually coming down...

chrisE!

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On 1/16/97, blarfunkular (chrisE!) amazingly wrote the following tezzagipshunt:

>hey people... I just found out a round trip bus ticket is actually about
>$60 to madison from minneapolis.  I just dont know if I can afford it!
>I'd really like to get down there for Biorythm, but it's pretty damn
>expensive...

>so depending on the way things go over the next 2 days, I may or may not
>be actually coming down...


        Hey Chris!  I just thought of a way you could get down there.  I
know of a few truck drivers that would be more than happy to give you a
ride down there.   Of course, the fee that they would charge  would be a
little painfull, but they would be tickled pink to have a cute raver boy
around for a few hours.  How about it?  Feel like hanging out with lonely
truck drivers?            ; )





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.>
                                               <randomly stimulating>



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I'll be in Orlando the week of Feb 15-21 I was wondering if anyone knew
of anything on the WEB where I could find contacts or any parties down
there..

Peace,
Luke

email: liquidgroove@industrynet.net



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susie sed:
=================================================================
hiya...i am susie (co listowner of dcraves) and i will be in chicago and
st. louis in the next week...and you may ask why is susie, a warm friendly
californian, going to the midwest from jan 17-27?  cuz she is totally
crazy...loco infact...

i would love to hang out and meet you all (and maybe go to some
parties???)

please send me email if you want to hang out...susie (:

==================================================================

woo hoo! i'm not the only californian stuck in the midwest anymore!
just got back from cali to finish up school here in cleveland. so
what part of cali are u from? i know of one other californian that
is in columbus - leidra. she's a dancer. speakin o dancers have u
bumped into to the orginal susie...Suzie Q? is she still shacked up
with that dumpy james christian guy? yur from dc raves, huh? so how
goes dan the man freelove? lonnie throwin any good partys comin up?

we're all a li'l loco out here in the midwest...i may be a li'l more so
since i'm listenin to one of my ole college radio tapes & playin right 
now is EUROMASTERS "Hoiken in die Koiken" (true gabba!) and just
went thru about 100 e-mail msgs since i finally found some time. btw
anybody that may have e-mailed me the past few daze (blitz / kate)
please resend cuz my mailbox wuz most prolly full.

anyone gonna be partyin' in columbus this weekend?

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My faves of 96 flyers:
        Jak6 (so what if it was in toronto?)
        Sickness/Recovery
        Disco at the Edge of the Universe
        Pedal to the Metal (KISS version)
        Phore
        Equal
        System New Years Eve



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Phil said:

I thought that the Truth flyer said TRUCK!

If you read the flyer upside down, it almost looks like "YAMS."  It was 
quite amusing convincing my friend that it was supposed to be the other 
way around...

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned flyers done by Sir Real, who's done 
flyers for Gentle and Inferno in Chicago.  Anyone second that?

Amene

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ok, i don't know if charles little and charles e little are the same person...
but... they're listed on two different events <one a friend of mines in madison
and the other in chicago> on the same nite... the nite before MELT!  <ok, cheap
plug :P>

------------------------------------------------------------------
FRIDAY FEBRUARY 28              MADISON, WI             OUTER LIMITS
 
nick nice 
chris sattinger
audiopimp
d*on
adeptus
nee high
christopher robin
charles e little
 
free afterparty w/dopeass fruit bar
 
608.275.3197....        JOINT EFFORT PRODUCTIONS.

JC> :.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
JC> :.:
JC> 
JC>                      -installment.one-
JC> 
JC>                 :GAVIN:      +      :ROBBIE:
JC> 
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JC>                               
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JC> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
JC> .    
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JC> :.:

so wassup with that?!?  anyone know?  <ed luna, trying to help ya out with yer
new years resolution!  :D>

jon/dica

nP:  frankie bones - dj techno mix vol. 1 


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anyone in my krew down here who can help poor lil chris e out with maybe $5 or
so of yer hard earned dough.... let him know at Crege@piper.hamline.edu        
  
thanx!!!!  :D  we all want him to be partyin with us, yall.  :P

jon/dica

np:  frankie bones - energy force


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The music I was referring to as gabber was in the mid-sized room on the
middle floor, and it was later in the night.  That's all I can remember,
as I walked in and turned right around and walked out.

--Amy


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On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, robert anthony conder wrote:

> > > 
> > After New Years in Milwaukee, I can't seem to understand how anyone could
> also...what was up with the girls in the skimpy rubber outfits dancing on 
> the poles that were set on the stage? were they hired...i would hate to 
> think that part of my $20 admission went to support something so 
> blantanly sexist.  
> 
UGGGG!!! Those girls sucked sooooooo bad!!! I was trying to dance and have
fun, and no matter where I stood, I could still see those girls.  I had to
face away from the stage just to be able to dance.

--Amy


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On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, michael mccusty wrote:

> 
> >also...what was up with the girls in the skimpy rubber outfits dancing on
> >the poles that were set on the stage? were they hired...i would hate to
> >think that part of my $20 admission went to support something so
> >blantanly sexist.
> 
> i move that we pass a mw-raves ordinance making it unlawful to exhume dead
> threads ;)
> 
OOPS!! Sorry, I deleted all my mail over xmas break because I had no
computer, and upon return I  had about 300 messages that I didn't feel
like reading.  Sorry to rehash old news.

--Amy
> > 
> 


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At 03:36 PM 1/16/97 -0500, ultimate.platypus wrote:
>
>ok, i don't know if charles little and charles e little are the same person...
>but... they're listed on two different events <one a friend of mines in madison
>and the other in chicago> on the same nite... the nite before MELT!  <ok, cheap
>plug :P>

>so wassup with that?!?  anyone know?  <ed luna, trying to help ya out with yer
>new years resolution!  :D>
>
>jon/dica

chicago is 2.5 hours from madison. why is this a conflict?

-kc


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     Anyone know the date for home97 and the line up? thanx:)




                                             A few chicago boys


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worst: 
inferno
distant planet pre-flyer
Pele
Sonic Purity (indy flyer w/ rabbit in the moon)

best:

Sickness & Recovery
Mars 2027 (check out the "face in Mars" in the lineup)
Equal
Phore


---------------------------------------------------------------




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So, did I see the pre-flier to Sickness and Recovery or something, because
I can't believe the little black and white card I saw is what all y'all
are gapping about.

And I didn't even see it until the night before the party.

And I live near Detroit.

Weird.

--Amy

Of course I'm a dork, too, so that could be it...



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>So, did I see the pre-flier to Sickness and Recovery or something, because
>I can't believe the little black and white card I saw is what all y'all
>are gapping about.



oi~! i forgot about that flyer. i liked that one better than the equal
flyer. the sickness flyer was by far one of the nicest ones i have seen in
'96.

oh---and the flyer for inferno, that was horrendous.

kate O+


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 http://w3.gwis.com/~krc/
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heres a little better information about the party tha ti posted about
previousely that is at my loft.

----------------------
sat.18jan.chciago.loft
----------------------
defrost
----------------------
low key gathering

djs:
casper
subzero
mc/dj think
bob
boo

sound:
what ever we can scrounge up.

beer
film projections.
no mappoint
no hype


$5

for directions email me privatly.
christian







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Exstasis Promotions 
    (qUaD cItIeS)
  is proud to announce
     that we are now on-line
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              http://www.nodal.com/exstasis.html

visit soon.  it's short but sweet.  and has full info on our next party.

(and check out the entire node site while you're there - our page is up now,
the rest of nodeOnline drops in February, and it should be MASSIVE.)

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On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Kate Catanese wrote:

> oh---and the flyer for inferno, that was horrendous.
> 

yes hear hear, that was an embarassment as far as flyers go, and that WAS 
by SIR REAL just to set the record striaght as far as someone's complaint 
that no one had mentioned sir real's work:) 

cheers,
dylan

_____________________________________________________________________
| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            
| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            
| personal homepage: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet
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space has now been quite confirmed!  :D  <it was only fairly confirmed before
:P>



SATURDAY  MARCH 1            MADISON, WI             MELT
 
                                               .    _  .     _____________
 the rave crisis center requests that you      |\_|/__/|    /             \ 
       melt all those bad vibes and           / / \/ \  \  / Happy! Happy! \
        all that wisconsin weather           /__|O||O|__ \ \   Joy! Joy!   /
               on march 1!                  |/_ \_/\_/ _\ | \  ___________/
                                            | | (____) | ||  |/
                                            \/\___/\__/  // _/
featuring djs:                              (_/         ||
                                             |          ||\
Huggie  <los angeles, caffeine>               \        //_/    huggie
Dan Efex <chicago, white trash sissy boy!>     \______//      dan efex
3D <chicago, step step step to me!!!>         __|| __||      three-d!
Nick Nice <madison, nice musique!>           (____(____)    nick nice
Nick Kick <spinning before acid kraft!>                    nick kick
Acid Kraft <live pa from nick kick, justin, and q!!!!>      acid kraft
Nato <spinnin jungle... and tearing it up!>                  nato
James Clar <tearin down tha house from stevens point!>        james clar
 
:D  12,000 square foot virgin venue about 10-20
mins outside of madison... it's gunna rock!  :D
 
main info:  608.550.0400  <the rave crisis center!>             P.L.U.R!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

jon/dica

np:  skylab 2000 tape <marc, when can we hook up so i can get it back to ya?>


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does anyone know a good bar or place to go watch the inagural (sp) on
monday afternoon in chicago...that would be fun (and warm?)
give me a call 773 248 3759
susie (:


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can anyone help me out with a ride to release in champaign urbana on the 24th?!?

i'd REALLY like to go, but alas my car wont make it and as of now i dont have a
ride.  you can mail me back or reach me at 608.221.0072.  :)  thanx so much to
anyone who cna help me out in some way!

i can provide gas money, smiles, LOTSA mixtapes, candy, corn, dead raccoons,
astronaut suits, pilot pens, the letter G and the number 5, and... boy, i'm
going off on a tangent here.

:)

jon/dica


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reHi all!!!!  =)

For better or for worse, I have re-subbed to this here mailing list. ;)

And I now have a new, improved flavor!  X-tra-Tweaked Cosmic Crunch,
fat-free, half the calories, twice the multidimensional bliss!  It's a
wonder I bothered to come back from glorious San Francisco to this wintery
wackiness in the midwest, but there's business to tend to here...

(Actually, ya probably won't hear much from me, I'm now administering 4
mailing lists on photon.net and have a shitload o' work to do these days...
but I simply couldn't stay away from mw-land.)

So........

====> Future Harmonix is exploding!!  I met with publisher-type people in
San Francisco following the Solstice in December.  Our new glossy
full-scale MAGAzine should be out no later than the end of March.
Hopefully sooner.  The magazine content will drop your jaw right to the
floor... if you enjoyed our "underground" 'zines, wait'll you check this
puppy out.  More info to be posted at a later date, or check the web site
to be kept up2date.  (What, you don't know the URL yet? Where ya been?? Oh,
okay, I'll post that at a later date, too, once I fix up the site a little
bit more...)

====> The Buzz Cup is now OPEN!!!!  (Crystal Lake, Illinois.)  Those of you
who were @ the mw-raves net.party there would shit if you saw the place
now.  You saw it as completely bare... now it's a cool-ass techno-arts
coffee shop!!  We've been open for less than a week and already the place
is hoppin'.  It will quickly become THE hot spot for music, art, and other
entertainment in the Chicago 'burbs.  Okay, so it's not like my opinion is
biased or anything ;), but siriusly, the place has been packed every day
already!  Not to mention, we have one of the largest and most delicious
selections of coffees and teas... probably the best selection in the entire
state of Illinois, but I can't say that for sure 'cuz I haven't been to
every single coffee shop... but suffice it to say, our coffee and tea
distributors have told us we stock a wider variety (of the *good* shtuff)
than any of their other customers.  This store is *completely raver-owned
and operated!*, so please come support your family!  (We have an acoustical
engineer (or something impressive-sounding like that) putting together the
specs for soundproofing the basement... can you say, TECHNO PARTY BLISS!!!)
Chi-towners, we are easily accessible by the Metra train, we're right next
to the Crystal Lake station, only takes a minute or two to walk there from
the station.
http://www.photon.net/buzzcup/
mailto:buzzcup@photon.net


Actually, during my leave of absence from mw-land, I discovered a lot about
myself...

   I am an alien creature.  I was sent from another planet
   with a message of good-will from my people.
   The message says:
      Dear Earth-people, when you finally at last destroy
   your planet and have no place to live, you can come live
   with us and we will teach you how to live in peace and
   harmony and we will give you a coupon good for 10% off all
   deep-dish pizzas, too.
                 Sincerely, Bob

What, you thought things were any different in space??!  Hm, okay, well the
part about me being an alien creature was true anyways. <shrug>  Hehehe...
;>

Anyhoo... good ta be back. ;)  Didja miss me??  Hm, I probably ought not
ask that... :D

   Peace & Groove,

        Randy       osiris7@photon.net
         a d
          n         Founder / Editor - Future Harmonix
         a d        Founder / Administrator - photon.net
        Randy       Co-owner / Resident DJ - The Buzz Cup

 .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .
. . . . . . . . . f u t u r e . h a r m o n i x . . . . . . . . .
   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .

                  Some people grin and bear it.
                   Others SMILE and change it.

                               2
                           <SMI LE>



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                 SATURDAY, JANUARY 18th
                 CRYSTAL LAKE, ILLINOIS

                       "LIQUIDE"

                     AMBIENT NIGHT

                           @

                T H E   B U Z Z   C U P
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                       8:30 - ??


AAAH!!!  It's phrikkin' **COLD** in Illinois!!!
So come warm yourself up with a cup o' joe at The Buzz Cup's first ambient
night, "Liquide"!

2nz by:

    ====> Resident DJ osiris7 (Future Harmonix, Dept. of Interdimensional
Groov), probably including live setup
    ====> HION (Future Harmonix), also resident noise-maker
    ====> Special guest appearance by Arduous Nucleus (Immersive Arts)
          [the most difficult molecule around!]

THE BUZZ CUP -- THE MOST DELICIOUS CHOICE IN COFFEE, TEA, AND GOOD TIMES!!

             70 N. WILLIAMS ST.
           CRYSTAL LAKE, ILLINOIS
                815.479.8301

            buzzcup@photon.net
       http://www.photon.net/buzzcup/


Direx:       {Call or e-mail if you need other directions.}

>From the Metra Train Station - Crystal Lake
*******************************************

The Buzz Cup is only a minute or two walk from the train stop, so it
shouldn't be too difficult.
- When getting off the train, exit on the side *opposite* of Trident Auto Body.
- Head downtown (south), towards the Olympic Restaurant on the corner of
Woodstock and Williams -- look for the big "Restaurant & Lounge" sign.
You'll be able to see downtown from the train station -- it's where all the
large building clusters are. ;)
- Head several store-fronts down Williams St. (it's a one-way street
w/street parking) and The Buzz Cup is on the right side of the street.
There'll probably be Xmas lights in the windows.
** Please take note of the train schedule, ya don't wanna get stranded 'cuz
you missed the last train, or something.


Driving, from Chicago:
**********************
[You may have to adjust these direx around the Chicago area depending on
where exactly you're coming from.  These direx are as if you're driving
straight through Chicago on the highways.]

- Take I-94 West through Chicago
- Get on I-290 West, which is exit 51H from I-94.
- You'll be on I-290 for a while.  290 will turn into 53.
- From 290/53, exit at 14, also called Northwest Highway.  (This exit will
not be 'til *after* 290/53 intersects I-90.)  TAKE A RIGHT on 14 (West) at
the stoplight at the end of the highway off-ramp.
- You'll be on 14 for a while, driving through several cities.  WATCH YOUR
SPEED ON 14, the cops can be tough around here, especially in Barrington
and Fox River Grove.
- Eventually you'll enter the town of Cary and you want to drive through
Cary and get on 31 North, which is a quick merge to the right.  You'll know
you're near the exit for 31 because you'll drive through an area on 14
where there's been construction and the road has obviously just been
widened, and you'll pass under a bridge right after an RV sales lot.  As
soon as the newly-constructed road ends, there's an exit for 31 North on
the right side of the road.  It is right after a gas station on the right,
and *before* you pass the Hob Nob restaurant on the left.
- From 31 North, take a Left on 176, also called Terra Cotta Ave.  You'll
only be on 31 a short while before hitting 176 (might even be the first
stoplight), there's a Shell station on one corner and a Citgo on the other.
- Take 176 for about a mile and a half, turn Left on Main St.  (Shortly
before you get to Main St., you'll pass Glen Ave., Illinois St., and
Ellsworth St, and Main is the street after Ellsworth.)
- From Main St., take a right on Woodstock St., which is the 1st street
after the railroad tracks.
- From Woodstock St., take a Left at the 1st street you come to, which is
Williams St.  Parking is on Williams, on the street, and The Buzz Cup will
be several store-fronts down on the right.

   Peace & Groove,

        Randy       osiris7@photon.net
         a d
          n         Founder / Editor - Future Harmonix
         a d        Founder / Administrator - photon.net
        Randy       Co-owner / Resident DJ - The Buzz Cup

 .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .
. . . . . . . . . f u t u r e . h a r m o n i x . . . . . . . . .
   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .

       Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.
          There might be a law against it by that time.



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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   monday.january.27    chicago.il.usa      milkyway
 
         presented.by.thousand.words.magazine


             with.stars	   dj.liquid
			   tom.pazen
			   earl.pleasure

         fasion.show.by    untitled
             visuals.by	   X-FX
galactic.giveaways.from	   moonshine
		           maxi
			   and.more


                  price    FREE.with.flyer.$10.with.out

             -gates.open.9pm.18+.with.ID-
    -at.house.of.blues.329.north.dearborn.chicago-
                 -info.312.923.7051-

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yes thats right this event is totaly FREE if and only 
if you have a flyer. so go get one damn it! look for flyers
at untitled, gramaphones, hot jams and all the other usual 
places.
---- End Forwarded Message

-- 
Eric
ericn@ix.netcom.com
http:// Coming Soon!


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Does anyone know if anything is going on in Minneapolis this weekend?
If you have any information you can either E-mail me privately, or
post it to the list.
thank you

Lisa  CrazyGrrl

ashc0001@metnet.edu

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March  22   MINNEAPOLIS


Richie Hawtin
90% confirmed other really big guy (who has shorter hair now ;) )
Terry Mullan
ESP
Timeblind (live)
Delta 9 (live)
Joyride (live)
Savage Aural Hotbed 
(amazing live percussion ensemble, plays music with band saws etc.)
Drone
Tommy Sunshine

10-4 over and out good buddy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Sattinger 
reprogramming our reality through disco 

new records coming on :  Synewave(jan), Subvoice(feb), Sativae(?)         
                                                       

NEW RELEASES - DISCOGRAPHY - INFO
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/satti002/ChrisSattinger.html

US Techno House Business Resource :
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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I came up with a pretty cool design for the laminates if they get made. 
It's at the bottom of the page. Hope you like it.
-- 
DJ Weasel (Ben, not Linda)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3326/

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan 17 09:50:56 1997
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hey mw-raves peeps! I saw this in sfraves and privately replied. This is so
wacky, I thought you might enjoy... ;)

>To: lycos@cybertribe.com
>From: matter <dork@immersivearts.org>
>Subject: Re: trademark infringement? Really?
>Cc: Geoff White <geoffw@cybertribe.com>
>
>
>What the fuhk?  Isn't Lycos some old greek god or something? I don't think
you can trademark something that is thousands of years old? You aren't
using their graphic or anything are you? You aren't using "Lycos, Inc." are
you? Well, IMO, they can't do shit to you...
>
>Fuhk Them.
>
>Since, we now know what kind of policy pumping legal wackoffs these guys
are, Don't use Lycos services - use Alta-Vista or something else and tell
all of your friends. :) What a buncha jaggies. :)
>
>At 11:16 PM 1/16/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>Boy, I guess these guys can't take a joke :(
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>X-Authentication-Warning: pioneer.ci.net: Uhutch set sender to
>>pioneer.ci.net!hutch!hutch.com!mdr using -f
>>>Return-receipt-to: mdr@hutch.com
>>>Date: 16 Jan 97 09:10:05 -0500
>>>From: mdr@hutch.com
>>>Sender: mdr@hutch.com
>>>Organization: Hutchins, Wheeler & Dittmar
>>>To: lycos@cybertribe.com
>>>Cc: tphilip@lycos.com, mjr@hutch.pn.com
>>>Subject: trademark infringement
>>>
>>>
>>>I am an attorney representing Lycos, Inc. ("Lycos").  Please address
>>>future communications to my attention.
>>>
>>>Lycos believes that you have been using the Lycos name including,
>>>without limitation, in the designations "Sub Commander Lycos" and
>>>"lycos@cybertribe.com".  Lycos is concerned that this activity
>>>constitutes, among other things, trademark infringement, trademark
>>>dilution, and unfair competition under the Lanham Act and/or the common
>>>law.  This activity may also constitute an unfair or deceptive act or
>>>practice.
>>>
>>>Unless you cease this conduct immediately, Lycos will be forced to take
>>>all necessary legal steps to protect its rights.  Lycos will take such
action
>>>unless, by February 1, 1997, you have confirmed for Lycos in writing
>>>that you have ceased using the Lycos mark, any mark containing the
>>>Lycos mark, and any mark confusingly similar to the Lycos mark
>>>immediately upon receipt of this letter.
>>>
>>>Please address correspondence to:
>>>
>>>Mark D. Robins, Esq.
>>>Hutchins, Wheeler & Dittmar
>>>101 Federal Street
>>>Boston, MA  02110
>>>
>>
>>

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The Lycos saga continues...

This guy rocks!

>Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 01:00:05 -0800
>From: "Niels P. Mayer" <mayer@netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: trademark infringement 
>Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com
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>
>------- Blind-Carbon-Copy
>
>To: tphilip@lycos.com, mjr@hutch.pn.com
>Subject: Re: trademark infringement 
>In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Jan 97 23:16:06 PST."
>             <3.0.32.19970116231605.00e227b0@pop.v-site.net> 
>Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 01:00:05 -0800
>From: "Niels P. Mayer" <mayer@netcom13>
>
>
>To whom it may concern ---
>
>I wish to strongly disagree with a message forwarded to me by
>lycos@cybertribe.com, an anonymous cyberspace entity that shreds
>radical tunes while lamo suits like yourselves sit around in  dark
>offices one-upping each other in puerile competition involving how
>tight your ties and collars can get before all traces of normal brain
>functioning is cut off.
>
>Here is the contents of a particularly quetionable message that has
>come to my attention, probably written during an incredible display of
>hypoxic jurisprudence.
>
>>Lycos believes that you have been using the Lycos name including,
>>without limitation, in the designations "Sub Commander Lycos" and
>>"lycos@cybertribe.com".  Lycos is concerned that this activity
>>constitutes, among other things, trademark infringement, trademark
>>dilution, and unfair competition under the Lanham Act and/or the common
>>law.  This activity may also constitute an unfair or deceptive act or
>>practice.
>>
>> [lawyeresque blather deleted for the good of all mankind]
>> 
>>Please address correspondence to:
>>
>>Mark D. Robins, Esq.
>>Hutchins, Wheeler & Dittmar
>>101 Federal Street
>>Boston, MA  02110
>
>I distinctly recall seeing the name "Sub Commander Lycos" as a DJ
>and/or rave promoter name from various underground "rave" parties as
>far back as maybe '92 or '93. I have a few tapes of "Sub Commander
>Lycos" performances from around this timeframe as well. This would
>indicate prior use of this name prior to the incorporation of Lycos
>Inc, which certainly happened after 1994.
>
>I will be happy to testify to the fact that the word Lycos has 
>significant prior use before your supposed trademark. My evidence
>includes DAT backup tapes created in 1993/1994 that include internet
>mentions of this name prior to the existance of Lycos as a body
>corporate (or even as a lamo research project at CMU). Sounds like you
>lawyer-folk haven't done a proper prior use search for this word.
>(Meanwhile, whois seems to indicate that the record for "lycos.com" was
>created on 13-Apr-95.) Perhaps sub commander lycos should be suing you?
>
>Oh, by the way, your search engine lists a few thousand hits of words 
>that are trademarked to "Niels P. Mayer" or "Niels Mayer" (feel free to
>search for my name on your site). Please note that the implicit use of 
>words trademarked to me implicitly binds any for-profit corporate use
>of this word to payment of $1.00 (US) for each unauthorized commercial
>use of words trademarked by me.  Each user search-hit on the lycos site
>for words trademarked by me consistutes a "use." Please pay up
>immediately or cease and desist listing any web pages with my name
>and/or trademarked words on your site. I wouldn't want my words
>appearing on a site run by lawyer-plagued assholes such as yourselves.
>
>Sincerely,
>	Niels Mayer.
>
>PS: As a result of your stupid and pointless letter, I am going to send
>a suggestion to all the rave lists across the country, e.g. sfraves,
>socal-raves, mw-raves, ne-raves, and USENET alt.rave the WE ALL BOYCOTT
>WWW.LYCOS.COM. Each of these mailing lists ranges from 100-1000 users,
>so you will hopefully get fewer hits from your scum-sucking
>advertizers. I am also going to post my opinion that Alta Vista,
>Excite, Yahoo, HotBot and any other sites other than Lycos contain far
>better and more accurate search engines. My dog could write a better
>search engine than Lycos, and I don't even have a dog.
>
>PPPS: I am in no way affiliated with "Sub Commander Lycos", just a
>satisfied fan of this excellent rave/house DJ and promoter.
>
>------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy
>
>

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LLL      OOOOOOOO  VVVV         VVVV EEEEEEEEE  !!
LLL     OOOOOOOOOO  VVV         VVV  EEEEEEEE   !!
LLL     OOO    OOO   VVV       VVV   EEE        !!
LLL     OOO    OOO    VVV     VVV    EEEEEE     !!
LLL     OOO    OOO     VVV   VVV     EEEEEE     !!
LLL     OOO    OOO      VVV VVV      EEE
LLLLLLL OOOOOOOOOO       VVVVV       EEEEEEEE   !!
LLLLLLL  OOOOOOOO         VVV        EEEEEEEEE  !!

Feeling like I have some extra to share today,
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>So, did I see the pre-flier to Sickness and Recovery or something,
>because I can't believe the little black and white cared I saw is
>what all y'all are gapping about.


	Yes!  That was it!  The flyer matched the party...fairly 

small and tihgt!!!  It was in the shape of a pill and half black/
half white.  You could fold it in half and it would fit in your
pocket ;)  When folded, one side would be black (sickness) and
the other was white (recovery).  The party followed the same]
pattern...it started with John Aquaviva playing an "unusual"set.
Then came someone else that I can't remember now but then Jeff
Mills and Richie Hawtin!!!!!!!!  After Richie's set, a banner that
read sickness was flipped (approxiametly the same time as daylight
broke) and it was time for recovery...John Aquaviva :)  This party
was so well organized and the timing of sets, events were for  
purposes.  I think that is what makes a party work...when they
have 'character' and the promoters have a strong and somewhat concise
purpose.   That is why, in my opinion, DBN's parties are so 

incredible.  I may not really agree with their party philosophy ("the
only thinking people should do is for and about  themselves"), but it 

doesn't matter...they have a purpose...and I can appreciate  
that/them.  I have always come away from a DBN party learning/
appreciating something new and just having a hell of a time!!!  And
besides, how many times do you get the opportunity to see prototype  
909, Mixmaster Morris or Daft Punk???  Especially at the  LOW price
of $20-...three days...these people have their shit together.   They
are MUCH appreciated!!!  So, I think I'll just take this opportunity
to say THANKKS! to DBN, the PLASTIK crew and ofcourse ED LUNA!!!!
Your time, devotion and dedication to electronic soundscapes and 

form are amazing!!!!!   Just had to say that...I feel much better 

now ;p

					-kimberly

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Hey all! ;)
  I am thinking I am gonna get really crazy this weekend and after
spinning/playing at the Buz Cup in Crystal Lake, on Saturday, I am gonna
make the trip up to Appleton. Does anyone have a hook on crash space. I
would love to be able to hagn with the Appleton kids and catch some zzzzz's
b4 the long commute back to Chicago...

Thanks in advance! :)

your friend,
matter


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On Friday January 24 in Urbana/Champaign, IL  The Urban(a) Techno 
Collective will let you

RELEASE

Djs for the evening:

Dan Efex (Jockey Slut, Trance Assailant, Chicago)

Cylert (Connect Records, St. Louis)

Mark Dinger (Top Secret)

Shira Khan (BeatPhreak Society, Milwaukee)

Chris Powers (UIUC Jungle, United Kingdom)

plus a live Techno Performance by

arduous nucleus (mental techno stir fry by matter)


Cost: 7 dollars/ 5 dollars with a donation of a 16 oz box of pasta or 
nifty stuff (you will be judged)   (use your imagination)

INFO: Urban infoline (217) 353.5111
      mikeyd@net66.com
      gage@hyperreal.com


and of course net meet info will be given later on this week    
and a free afterhours at the UTC mansion with a probable pasta dinner 
later in the afternoon

mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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>Richie Hawtin
>90% confirmed other really big guy (who has shorter hair now ;) )

does this guy's name start with josh and end with wink? (considering the
name of the party and the fact he at least *used* to have long ass dreds)

if it is richie and josh wink and the rest of this lineup, i need to know
how far it is from columbus to minneapolis.  i'll go check on that now
*runs to get atlas*

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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At 01:00 AM 1/17/97 -0800, Niels P. Mayer wrote:
>Oh, by the way, your search engine lists a few thousand hits of words 
>that are trademarked to "Niels P. Mayer" or "Niels Mayer" (feel free to
>search for my name on your site). Please note that the implicit use of 
>words trademarked to me implicitly binds any for-profit corporate use
>of this word to payment of $1.00 (US) for each unauthorized commercial
>use of words trademarked by me.  Each user search-hit on the lycos site
>for words trademarked by me consistutes a "use." Please pay up
>immediately or cease and desist listing any web pages with my name
>and/or trademarked words on your site. I wouldn't want my words
>appearing on a site run by lawyer-plagued assholes such as yourselves.

right on. :D

>Sincerely,
>	Niels Mayer.
>
>PS: As a result of your stupid and pointless letter, I am going to send
>a suggestion to all the rave lists across the country, e.g. sfraves,
>socal-raves, mw-raves, ne-raves, and USENET alt.rave the WE ALL BOYCOTT
>WWW.LYCOS.COM. Each of these mailing lists ranges from 100-1000 users,
>so you will hopefully get fewer hits from your scum-sucking
>advertizers. I am also going to post my opinion that Alta Vista,
>Excite, Yahoo, HotBot and any other sites other than Lycos contain far
>better and more accurate search engines. My dog could write a better
>search engine than Lycos, and I don't even have a dog.

I wouldn't use Lycos, even if my life depended on it. Get this:

lycos search for "lycos" yields 6955 hits
AltaVista search for "lycos" yields about 400,000

Hmmm, which one would you use?


Our differences simply help us to realize our similarites...

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02.07.97 / POLARIS / Madison, WI / Joint Effort / US.608.275.3197
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On 1/17/97, blarfunkular (Chris Sattinger) amazingly wrote the following
tezzagipshunt:

>March  22   MINNEAPOLIS

>Savage Aural Hotbed


        These guys are fucking amazing.  I saw them in the Entry and was
right in front of them.  Danger!
The sparks and metal bits were dangerous, but fun.  Definately recomended.





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.>
                                               <randomly stimulating>



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At 01:51 PM 1/17/97 -0800, Linda Mautner wrote:
>I came up with a pretty cool design for the laminates if they get made. 
>It's at the bottom of the page. Hope you like it.
>-- 
>DJ Weasel (Ben, not Linda)
>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3326/
>
>Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\ATTACH\MWRAVES.jpg"

I think it rocks! :D Let's get everyone's feedback and make this happen! I
want a mw-raves badge! ;P

matter


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Sickness and Recovery was tight?

There were about a zillion ppl there.


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this is my opinion: 
he can't be that awful because he played at the Ministry of Sound in
London, and not JUST ANYONE plays there.  he played here in St. Louis
about 3 weeks ago.  I didn't see him, but I heard it was ok.  

*take to the sky*
blanketgirl



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since im headin out fo the evening, i want to propose a possible net meet at
biorhythm this sat in appleton,wi.
sound good?
        ok  how about   *2am at the smart bar area*...
  ill be wearin a blue shirt with a horizontal white stripe across the
middle.  a blue hat.  and my ghetto filas =) ill probably be smilin pretty
big too.
   post to the list if you are going to go. so i know whos all a comin.
hope to meet new kiddies...
peace!
ink.madcitymob    (jason)

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>I'm sure many of you have been really frustrated with the quality of
>drugs you're getting nowadays.  Now you can make thim at home!  Just
>read the following:
>
>
>>> >Is there any easy way of making E or 'cid, or any other drugs with similar effects in the kitchen? Does anyone have any personal recipies >>or know of a web site please let me know.
>>> 
>>> Sure its easy:      
>>> 
>>> Save enough of the flaky residue from the skidmarks on your underwear to  fill an Amish butterchurn. Add 2.5 quarts of Castrol Syn-Tech Synthetic  Motor Oil (the grade is not important.) Work the churn for three days, preferably during days when there are no barn-raisin’s. When a homogenous froth develops place it along with the placenta of a sheep in a toilet with a fuzzy seat. Coax a handsome man in his thirties to stir the mixture while you fetch a live chicken. Pour the mixture up the chickens ass while inserting raw ergot dollops. Wait thirty minutes until it hardens being careful not to hurt the chickens feelings or embarrass it. Squeeze the chicken lengthwise ( it is not important to keep it alive anymore.) Pluck all of the feathers out of the chicken except for the wings. Pin the wings to a baseball cap on either side with the feathers still intact. This will be your  "Crown of Mercury" which you will wear throughout the rest of this alchemical procedure. Glue rub!
> ber Barbie arms and a Barbie Head on the decapitated and amputated chicken body. Date it at least twice, spending  no less than $70.00 on each date. Place the entire bird with the attached parts in a Waring Blender at the highest speed ( >3000rpm)for at least twenty minutes. Extract the residue with methylene chloride in a sonicator using at least 2 liters per 2 pound chicken. Evaporate the methylene chloride and the residue is pure product. 
>>> Enjoy 
>
>>Are there any side-effects to this method, and how long does the trip last?
>
>>>A 2-pound chicken yields about 0.5 grams of product, which is pure L$D. 
>
>
>steph
>
(forwarded)  :)

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>I'm surprised nobody has mentioned flyers done by Sir Real, who's done
>flyers for Gentle and Inferno in Chicago.  Anyone second that?

eeeehehehehehe... the Inferno flyer... I don't think we even wanna start
that thread up again.  We had quite some fun with that last year around
this time. :D

I remember someone came up with the best use for that flyer -- a butt-mat
to sit on at parties so ya don't have to get your pants all dirty on the
floor.  Seems like a fitting location for that flyer, underneath a butt...

Anyhoo, I dunno about the best flyer, but I give the "scariest flyer" award
to Not Fooling Around.  Anyone ever have this displeasure of looking at
that crazy-assed demented clown thingy while they were tripping????
Yeesh... freak-out!!!  ;)  Hion developed the "Not Fooling Around Dance"
based on that clown, ya can only imagine how ridiculous it looks. :>

Hm, I think "Where the Wild Things Are" was one of the best flyers of the
year, that picture rocks.  My favorite flyer of all-time (although I can't
remember if this is from '95 or '96 and I don't wanna take it down off my
wall to check) has gotta be the "Luv Buz" flyer... only about 4x4 inches,
shows this pink Ren-like bunny and a bee... I dunno what it is about it
that grabs my heart, but it's just so adorable!

         Love,

         Randy
          a d
           n
          a d
         Randy



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::::::::::SPAWNTANEOUS PRODUCTIONS BRINGS YOU:::::::::::::

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                               SLEEPY C & OMEGAMAN

with dj's

GANK 
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OPTOMUS


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::::::::::SPAWNTANEOUS PRODUCTIONS BRINGS YOU:::::::::::::

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Finally folks.............

I have gotten off of my ass and I have my new tape coming out.  You can
get them at some records stores and vendors or by e-mailing me.  The
tape will be ready February 1, 1997.

If I owe you a tape I will send you a copy....... Nicole?, Tricia?,
Dylan? and a few others. :)

I will have some on me at parties I'm spinning in the midwest and east
coast, and Fever (hint, hint......Charles and Scott).  :)

Everyone have a great 97' and remember that house is a feeling, house is
for LOVE!!!!!!!!!!
-- 
 
 Peace and Love
 
                                                  trevor lamont
                                        Teamsters and Erotic World
                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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                      House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!

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okay, so I just got this turntable, right?  It's a fairly cheezy technics
belt drive table, but I got it cheap.  

So anyways, I got it without a cartrige.  Then I got a cartrige from
someone else- the cart was cheap too.  (anyone see this coming?)  The
cartrige has a square end, and the table has one of those screw on round
ends... doh!  

I hear there's some kind of adapter dealie I can get for this that'll let
me hook the cartrige up even though its not the same....... Anyone know
where I can get one of these, and how much it's gonna cost me? Or if not,
what else can I do?

thank you much!

chrisE!

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anybody:

does anybody have any info on parties in indy or chicago 2morrow nite?
its my bday and i now suddenly have the op to go partying. any fliers, info
lines etc. for 1-18 would be appreciated.

thankyouthankyouthankyou.

beth

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sorry about this-
 but it's for a friend.
 
 DJ Kell, please email me.
 
or if you know his email address, please forward it to me.
 
thanks. 


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to make this post legit-
 
BEST FLIER OF '96
 
	gadabing - detroit

the lego party!
nuff said.


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>DJ Weasel (Ben, not Linda)

i didn't think ben weasel was a dj!!?!  hahaha ;)

*sings* my brain hurts my brain hurts my brain hurts today! :)

i've been inside *too* long.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
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THE ONCE AND FUTURE FUNK
 a monthly eclectic club event
   21 +    5$
    7th Street Entry
      Thursday March 27th



episode one :

(in order of appearance...)

Shawn Stewart  (rev 105s Moonlight Meditations)
    the amazing ambient selection

Bake Sale (Dyno Spectrum)
   freestyle Hip Hop with live Rare Grooves
  feat Slug, Beyond, Self One
   and the band Full Length

DJ Drone    -  Drum and Basssss, the dark and the jazzy

DJ Chris Sattinger  -  grooves of techno, house and the undefinable




Episode Number Two will feature a live set by 

     a Major Name in Drum and Bass.

info to come....


10-4 over and out good buddy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Sattinger 
reprogramming our reality through disco 

new records coming on :  Synewave(jan), Subvoice(feb), Sativae(?)         
                                                       

NEW RELEASES - DISCOGRAPHY - INFO
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/satti002/ChrisSattinger.html

US Techno House Business Resource :
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/satti002/DanceLabel.html

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Sorry, the date is March 15th on the mpls. party.

10-4 over and out good buddy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Sattinger 
reprogramming our reality through disco 

new records coming on :  Synewave(jan), Subvoice(feb), Sativae(?)         
                                                       

NEW RELEASES - DISCOGRAPHY - INFO
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/satti002/ChrisSattinger.html

US Techno House Business Resource :
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/satti002/DanceLabel.html

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got the new tape by DJ 3D and Snuggles!

3d and snuggles - chicago darksteppers.

the 3d side is not typical 3d that i've heard.  it's very dark and evil
sounding... a few tracks ive heard <even one i have i think by source
direct>... this side is weird mostly for the levels.  now, i believe this was
done purposefully, but there is VERY LITTLE really low boomin bass.  its all
very twangy bass, if that makes sense to yall.  its definitely worth a listen!

snuggles starts out on kind of an evil tip like 3ds side, but then he gets into
some of the heavier bass and isn't as dark.  he mixes a few different styles of
jungle, and some of his mixes sounded hurried... but overall a very good side. 
:D


rekkid reviews to come soon!  reviews of:  new delta 9, new doa, new alec
empire 7", new one on party rock, and an older p909 release!

jon/dica


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ok, i just got back from xmas break and need a little insight.
could somebody send me the info on the party in champaign on the 24th??
i would greatly appreciate it. also, about the aforementioned party, i
saw a flier for it and dan efex was listed as a dj. i thought he was
 spinnin' at get movin.
feelin out of it:
beth

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                       ______________________
       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~psYBerTRip productions~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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      no fresh off the block, first time one-off promoters here
       just a new name and a couple of a couple of fresh faces
  made up of some of the people who have brought you some of milwaukee's
most awesome and rememorable one-offs, house parties, and afterhours with

       elements of The FreeBass Collective & Network 10 Productions
          psYBerTRip productionz would like to present to you:


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***********  coming to the milwaukee area March 22, 1996  *************

Confirmed DJ's as of thus far in the main room:

Dzak            ToolBox Tunes, Milwaukee, WI
DJSlip          Communique, Minneapolis, MN
Chris Sattinger Communique, Minneapolis, MN
Thee-O          Biohazard, Los Angeles, CA
Adam X          Sonic Groove, New York City, NY
NRSHA           live p.a. PC Music, San Francisco, CA
Kee             AudioLab Communications, Milwaukee, WI
Karma One       FreeBass Collective, Milwaukee, WI


There will also be a second room with various locals which will be
posted later

Voicemail info: 414.777.3933

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from me.  :)  these are hopefully in chronological order.  i'll try and add a
lil somethin about each flyer incase you forgot em.  :)

*BEST FLYERS 96!*


equal - 1.19.96...  it was basically a fractal take on the equal <not sugar,
not the pink stuff> packet, and it worked really well for me.  :)

pedal to the metal <DBN> - 3.18.96....  this flyer is not the kiss one, neither
of the car ones.  this is a basic flyer on this red color... with the dbn skull
in the middle in black on a white bkgd.  for some reason i can't explain, it
makes it really really evil looking.  i love this flyer.

21st century - 3.23.96... i really like how the spaceships are flying away from
the futuristic city... gives the whole flyer a nice aura.  i dunno.

back 2 basics - 4.5.96...  all the sesame street <well not ALL> characters on
the flyer, i think kermit was the dj <too lazy to go look> and the other people
were doin stuff like the count, grover, oscar.... really really rad flyer!

stayin' alive - 4.27.96... everytime i see this flyer, i laugh.  i have no idea
who those guys are, but their heads superimposed onto those pimpin' 70s suits
makes me laugh.

aqua boogie - 5.5.96... this flyer had it GOIN ON!  it was extremely wonderful
artistically speaking... the fish swimming around is soooo sparkly looking and
the whole flyer conveys kind of an underwater happiness.  :)

further preflyer - 5.24?.96... "techno is the devil's music.  beware, the
hypnotic rhythms sending kids down the road to the fiery depths of HELL!" 
<note:  this was not verbatim, i dont think.  that was just from memory of
seeing it every day.  :P  hope i got most of it right.>

la boom - 5.31.96.... i LOVE how the reflection is drawn on that flyer.  the
guy is holding a crystal ball or something and his face and the speakers are
reflected in it... and all you can see in 'reality' is his arms holding the
ball.  its REALLY REALLY neet.

elysium - 7.20.96... i love the columns in the flyer, and how the hallway
through art of time kind of goes towards space.  maybe i'm on crack.

***live and direct - 8.17.96.... i think this was my FAVORITE flyer of the
year.  the anime characters on the front seemed so in love, and they had a goal
in mind when they were pointing towards the unknown.  this flyer really is
pretty emotional for me... it gives me that giddy feeling in my heart.. just
that the world is so full of hope and dreams that can be fulfilled.  and i also
on a side note liked the font used for the title of the party.

transcend preflyer - 8.24.96.... printed on the coolest medium i've ever seen
for a party so far.  an overhead projector seethru paper.  and it had this lady
with wings on it.... oh it's just a beautiful sight when held up to light.

gadabing - 8.31.96... the lego figures... and until mark lancaster, NO ONE
MENTIONED THIS!  this was another one of my faves... the lego guys all dancing
on the back... showing diversity even thru legos.... and on the front it had
the lego dj.  <dj lego!  whoa!>.  neato flyer.

return to hardcore chicago - 9.14.96.... the most innovative concept for a
flyer this past year.  baseball cards with djs on them that you can tear out
<and theyre great for tape covers>... little stats on the back...  great party,
great flyer.

bass unifies all - 9.28.96... those aliens just kind of seem to be saying
"c'mon, lets go!" like they're all hyped up to party!  i dunno, i liked it.

phore - 11.9.96.... the dreaded porn anime flyer.  haha.  well, i like anime. 
so nyah.  and if this was "pornographic".... <not  to bring up an old thread,
so dont reply to this statement>.. at least the woman was portrayed in a
semi-happy light.  the wings were a really nice touch as well.

underground revival tour - 12.28.96.... a nice way to end out the year... a big
very tall, EXTREMELY skinny flyer with really beautiful pictures of ravers and
some things that you would just expect at a rave, like platforms... pictures of
the crowd dancin... its really nice in a photo collage sort of way.  i like it.



well, i guess i get into flyers and art too much.  maybe its due to my lack of
artistic talent <as far as studio art is concerned>... but i certainly do
appreciate art, much to the surprise of teachers and the like, and art has a
lot of deep meaning and feelings invoked when i look at it.  hence the long
post.  i hope some of you enjoyed it more than some peoples bland posts just
listning the flyers.  if you didn't enjoy it, i'm sorry.  let me know if ya
wish... i don't mind!  just trying to trigger some connections and memories for
some of ya.  :)  <hugs>

jon/dica... it's only 9:45 and he desperately needs some sleep.  gah.

np:  well, it WAS frankie bones - dj techno mix vol 1..  but that ended.


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hey, I'm trying to find out a name of a DJ who played at a party at the 
warehouse in detroit.  It was three weeks ago (or so) and this DJ was 
wearing the coolest glasses with flashlights on them.... I think he was 
from london or something, I could be wrong.... BUT, he was the DJ who was 
playing when the evil evil cops came and broke up the fiesta... and the 
damn party was just getting good (and I payed 20 bucks for this motha).  
ANYWAYS, if anyone can tell me the name of the DJ.... I would be most 
greatful.  


Cool bean.


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On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, kimberly j smock wrote:

> >So, did I see the pre-flier to Sickness and Recovery or something,
> >because I can't believe the little black and white cared I saw is
> >what all y'all are gapping about.

i forgot who wrote this part originally, but it is the very simplicity of
this flyer that made it effective and memorable.  that's what the
minimalist aesthetic is all about (i feel vindicated! :).  only thing is,
there weren't many copies of the flyer around so the only one i got was by
searching the floor at the end of a party (POORBOY 4 i think?). 
 
> I have always come away from a DBN party learning/
> appreciating something new and just having a hell of a time!!!  And
> besides, how many times do you get the opportunity to see prototype  
> 909, Mixmaster Morris or Daft Punk???  Especially at the  LOW price
> of $20-...three days...these people have their shit together.   They
> are MUCH appreciated!!!  So, I think I'll just take this opportunity
> to say THANKKS! to DBN, the PLASTIK crew and ofcourse ED LUNA!!!!
> Your time, devotion and dedication to electronic soundscapes and 
> form are amazing!!!!!   Just had to say that...I feel much better 
> now ;p

thanks kim!!!  but i cant take credit for much.  DBN, richie, and others
have a lot more money to put into things and to express their aesthetic
concerns (hedonism, harshness, minimalism, etc), and they approach things
from a far more professional/business perspective than i do...whereas
ele_mental (at least my involvement in it) is more about family,
friendship, and personal connections, and is based on keeping things
simple, tight, and with the hope that we can provide an atmosphere where
people can learn a thing or two.  and ele_mental, obviously (or not?),
isn't just me: i couldn't do anything without my ele_honkey cru. 

but i'm really glad you've noticed that some of us event-coordinators do 
have a purpose.  "devotion and dedication to electronic soundscapes and 
form" is a great way to put it.  

unfortunately, i feel rather alone in my own effort to bring these events 
to a deeper level.  it saddens me that so many people see the scene as 
just a place to "party"; to me it is so much more than that.  it saddens 
me even more that event promoters aren't pushing and pulling at the 
definition of what a rave can be.  as good as an event can be with only 
the most basic materials (space, sound, DJs, the occasional live pa, 
lights, smartdrinks, and drugs), i think the formula has been explored 
and exploited for far too long without significant expansion.  

throughout the midwest, there are dozens of people throwing parties and
thousands of people attending these parties, yet virtually no one seems to
be taking any real chances with the formula.  i realize the bills must be
paid, but there are ways to compromise which allow for less-traditional 
elements to enter the picture.  that's what i have done, in fact i have 
made many personal sacrifices in the attempt to present something more 
challenging to the average raver (with some modest successes and some 
mediocre failures), and i dont even feel i've done 1/2 as much as i would 
like to.  

and by "taking chances with the formula," i dont mean just having some
professional lighting or changing spaces, like an outdoor event or
whatever...those are just superficial modifications.  i mean tweaking with
the very nature of what a rave is...at the most fundamental levels. 

i could explain what i mean in more specific terms, but i dont want to
right now.  i'll just have to try harder, and let the events speak for
themselves this year.  some of you will tag along and figure some of this
out, some of you wont.  "it's all good."  *wretch*

for now, i'll just say that part of what i want to accomplish this year is
to compose/sculpt/coordinate/throw events that challenge and educate, not
just entertain.  of course it has to be fun (doh, that's why i'm here
too!), but bringing all these people together is a unique opportunity to
provide an environment which might just expand some people's lives and
minds...so why not aspire to do so?  

i don't want to sound elitist or belittle the many promoters throughout
our area who are expressing themselves and their tastes through their
events...that's not what i am objecting to.  many of them throw fine
events with fantastic music (whether it's my flavor or not), and are
justified in claiming that they have succeeded in doing what they set out
to do. 

but i havent succeeded...not to the level i'm truly after (which isn't
about money, prestige, or size).  moreover, i feel a little lonely in my
belief that these events could be so much more...and i think that anyone
who doesnt see this and continues to roll right along on their little
formulaic rave road is truly wasting some valuable potential. 

it's more than just a party.

props go out to demon puppet (now basking in mexico), detroit's cement
space cru, and anyone else out there who knows what i'm talking about.
++ 
e d

ele-mental.coil.com/
21/22
think(again)

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most of which i havent even seen!

howabout some scans for the mw-webpage, y'all?

(jpegs preferred)


i guess i better find a place for you to put them, too...hmmm
++
e d

hyperreal mw-rep

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PREACH ON BOTHER ED.


too abd ther arnt more ppl like ya.

christian

>On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, kimberly j smock wrote:
>
>> >So, did I see the pre-flier to Sickness and Recovery or something,
>> >because I can't believe the little black and white cared I saw is
>> >what all y'all are gapping about.
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ya know i was thinking the same thing

christian


>>DJ Weasel (Ben, not Linda)
>
>i didn't think ben weasel was a dj!!?!  hahaha ;)
>
>*sings* my brain hurts my brain hurts my brain hurts today! :)
>
>i've been inside *too* long.
>
>take two of these and thank me in the morning,
>michael
>allroy
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/free/mmccusty.html
>**************************************************************************
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>                                           -derrick carter
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DOH! my fault. i should have realized that PCs can't open SEA's. here is an
uncompressed JPEG of my 1st draft for the MWRaves net buddy laminate. it
came out all bitmapped which really has me wondering what i did wrong
(since i created it at 600 dpi) it might have to do with out of date
software (aldus doesn't even exist anymore, jeez). keep in mind that the
original is crisp and well-defined. the high contrast of the black & white
scheme lends itself to easier readability in low-light or black-light
environments. let me know what you think and how the image looks on your
machine (bitmapped or not?) also if any Mac people have suggestions as to
how to preserve the high res quality when exporting to pict from freehand,
please let me know.



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here is an uncompressed JPEG of my 1st draft for the MWRaves net buddy
laminate. it came out all bitmapped which really has me wondering what i
did wrong (since i created it at 600 dpi) it might have to do with out of
date software (aldus doesn't even exist anymore, jeez). keep in mind that
the original is crisp and well-defined. the high contrast of the black &
white scheme lends itself to easier readability in low-light or black-light
environments. let me know what you think and how the image looks on your
machine (bitmapped or not?) also if any Mac people have suggestions as to
how to preserve the high res quality when exporting to pict from freehand,
please let me know.

peace...

jason111



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At 04:16 AM 1/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>unfortunately, i feel rather alone in my own effort to bring these events 
>to a deeper level.  it saddens me that so many people see the scene as 
>just a place to "party"; to me it is so much more than that.  it saddens 
>me even more that event promoters aren't pushing and pulling at the 
>definition of what a rave can be.  as good as an event can be with only 
>the most basic materials (space, sound, DJs, the occasional live pa, 
>lights, smartdrinks, and drugs), i think the formula has been explored 
>and exploited for far too long without significant expansion.  
>
don't be sad, have a little faith it takes time for a scene (as well as
people). To mature to that level. Personally i think it took me about 6
months to real get into the "deeper" side of parties/raves/events. And i
had a lot of, best way to put it, "guidance". The thing the do is to not
try to hard and just let it flow. Maybe give a gentle nudge here and there
to some people, make a one page info-type sheet about ideals to get peoples
minds on the right track, etc. I know its hard not to push hard when you
can see what the result is, but things like understanding things on a
deeper level takes a long time and the end result is usually something as
simple as a 'wow' when a taste of the deeper flow is gotten and that takes
time to set in and reflect on too.



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not sure WHY i wanna make a post outa this but what the hell, it's 9:30 
am on saturday and i have nothing to do.

actually i only wanted to see if anyone else had gotten United Dance's 
"the anthems, 92-97" 3x12" pack...it's wicked.  about half are old school 
classics on the hardcore tip ("renegade snares", "music is wonderful" 
[*sigh* ahhh nookie..], and "champion sound") and half are recent 
4beat/happy hardcore anthems ("l;et the music", "heart of gold", etc).  
finally i was able to find some happy at a low cost to have fun with... 
finally i was able to find some happy period considering that revolutions 
here in milwaukee doesn't really stock it at all. so i was just wondering 
if anyone else had gotten this ... phil? earache? (jon do u even touch 
happy anymore?)

cheers,
dylan


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| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            
| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            
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the thing still isnt fixed, i'm still getting messages back from boardwalk bbs
in madison.  so nyah.  anyhow..

netmeet.  i'll prolly be there!  i'll be wearing my green fishermans cap, not
sure what shirt <maybe dbn or my big fat pinkish lookin polo>, and probably
chris e's pants!  <nyah nyah!  :P>  theyre big black mom n me's.  :P  theyre
NEET!  and i'll be grrrrrrroovin to drc!  so nyah!

seeya there!  if you need the info again, here it is!  :D

jon/dica

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Okay, everybody. I see there are numerous folks working on laminate designs
out there. Hmmmmm, I really like what I am seeing. I think we should decide
on a front AND a back image so we can take some kind of vote somehow? I
think we should throw my silly half ass design idea away or use it for
toilet papaer or something. ;) I like weasel's color design for a front and
jasons b&w design for the back. BTW, this is good, 'cuz I don't think that
Kinko's can do front AND back color. :) What do you all think??? I am going
to post them to my www below so if anyone deleted them or doesn't have a
clue what I am talking about, you can get up to speed. :) 

your bud,
matter


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Ok, i could be really off base here, but i think if we are going to have some
type of a fair vote here, somehow someone needs to put the options on a web
page.  Maybe we are the only school out there that dosen't have anyways of
downloading graphics but i highly doubt it.  Our e-mail and i assume of many
other schools, (since a couple in the area use our system) have a text only
system.  This means that all of us can't look at the options unless the get put
a web sight, or atleast to a news group where we can download them.

anyone have any thoughts about this



--
joff
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
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from the N take 71 S to the HUDSON st exit, go R.
from the S take 71 N to the HUDSON st exit, go L.
from E or W take 70 to 71 N to the HUDSON st exit, go L.

(i think hudson is exit #113, if that's helpful)

once on hudson, take it approx. one mile W to HIGH st, go L there and go S
on high st for about 1 mile to WOODRUFF (if you pass a wendy's on the L
you've just missed it).  take a R on woodruff and continue W past the
construction until woodruff becomes WOODY HAYES.  stay on woody, go under
a bridge and pass the next light which should be KENNY rd.  look for the
space on the L, it's the JESSE OWENS building, a large gym-style arena
which will be very warm and clean. 

admission is only $10 smackers, thanks to the fluid/e.r. cru for doing a 
cheap party :)

any problems call fluid at 614.470.3688 or the table of ele_ments at 
614.470.0929 

++
e d

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hey everyone...  

I dont know how many of you were wondering what the Minneapolis Idea
Project has been up to lately, but I'm here to inform you...

We've been up to NOTHING.

But that's about to change... We're doing all we can to get something
*real* and good out for Minneapolis's next big big party, STAIRWAY TO
HEADPHONES.  

I'm not talking about any of this mini-zine stuff like we did for elektrik
disko... if everything goes right, this will be a nicely sized zine.

We need help though! Mainly, we need help with printing.  J-Sun has
offered to do it for us, but it sounds like his situation is kinda touchy.
So if at all possible, we'd like to take part of the load off of him.  So
if any of you or any of your friends work at kinko's or in any other way
have access to free high-volume copying, PLEASE PLEASE let me know...
We're a couple of broke kids- we can't really afford the straight price of
copying.  However, we would try to reimburse you a little bit for your
effort...

Oh yeah. Anyone who wants a mixtape reviewed, email me.  We'll be glad to
review any tapes that you want to send us.

And if you have any good ideas for articles and you want to contribute,
let me know too.

thanks everyone!

chrisE!

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I say make your own! Be an individual! 

Phil

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Subject: detroit tonight
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Ok, i just heard that Kenny Larkin and Buzz Goree have been added to the party
in detroit tonight.  Probably no one will see this in time, the info line # is
313.434.6954.

well i'll see some of you where ever i end up since i'm not going to chicago.



--
joff
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
-- Albert Einstein


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So I gettin ready to call it a night cuz no-one is up for 
 anything, and 'bzzzzzzzz', Matt Brown is buzzin at the
 front door. 

Pleasant surprise! Forgot bout the little party that was
 goin on 200 feet down the street from my apartment. 
 That was a SUPER duh!

Very little dance floor, lights were too bright, hot
 as hell later that night, most kids just sittin, 
 too much deva's in the music, I was tired as hell...

But it was a good time anyway! 

Someone said awhile ago that you'll have more fun goin to 
 party's if you have no expectations... ITS TRUE!

Apparently this is gonna be a once a month thing there... 

 originally ignorant
 formerly knowledgeable
 currently hypocritical		-Jason H  
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Now that I have your attention........

All this talk about flyers made me wonder.  Why is it that a flyer, 
specifically size, dictates what a party will be like.  It seems that if 
the flyer isn't poster size it won't get people's attention.  But the 
funny thing is that when you do a flyer like that, people say that there 
too big to fold up and put in there pockets.  

I wonder if my flyer for Blastoff wasn't so big, would I have had the 
same turnout.  Probably not.  That, to me, is a good indication of where 
some people have there heads.  I had, in my opinion, one of the best 
line-up's ever assembled  for a one night event.  But I didn't know if 
that would be enough.  

I am very curious what everyone thinks.  Please take the time and 
respond. Am I right, or am I just paranoid.

Michael Dearborn-Majesty

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On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Michael Dearborn wrote:
> 
> I wonder if my flyer for Blastoff wasn't so big, would I have had the 
> same turnout.  Probably not.  That, to me, is a good indication of where 
> some people have there heads.  I had, in my opinion, one of the best 
> line-up's ever assembled  for a one night event.  But I didn't know if 
> that would be enough.  
> 

if that party had just had a nice 8"x5" flyer with all the djs listed, it 
would have been enuff. this isn't like tv where it's got to be bold and 
flashy to attract a crowd. we go for the djs not the advertising 
campaign. 

cheers,
dylan 
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| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            
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I think this sounds good...


matter wrote:
> 
> Okay, everybody. I see there are numerous folks working on laminate designs
> out there. Hmmmmm, I really like what I am seeing. I think we should decide
> on a front AND a back image so we can take some kind of vote somehow? I
> think we should throw my silly half ass design idea away or use it for
> toilet papaer or something. ;) I like weasel's color design for a front and
> jasons b&w design for the back. BTW, this is good, 'cuz I don't think that
> Kinko's can do front AND back color. :) What do you all think??? I am going
> to post them to my www below so if anyone deleted them or doesn't have a
> clue what I am talking about, you can get up to speed. :)
> 
> your bud,
> matter
> 
> Our differences simply help us to realize our similarites...
> 
> arduous nucelus / upcoming show dates:
> 
> 01.24.97 / RELEASE / Urbana, IL / Urban(a) Techno Collective / US.217.353.5111
> 02.07.97 / POLARIS / Madison, WI / Joint Effort / US.608.275.3197
> _______________________________________________________
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those of you who attended DARKSIDE 4 are already familiar with the space; 
this time, we are only using the smaller room and THERE WILL BE HEAT.

directions: 

from the N take 71 S to the 11th ave exit, go right
from the S take 71 N to the 11th ave exit, go left
from the E or W take 70 to 71 N to the 11th ave exit, go left

(11th ave is exit #112 i think)

once you are on 11th ave, go W for 1/2 mile.  just before going under a
railroad bridge, you will see several empty parking lots to the left. 
park there, or if full, there should be plenty of parking elsewhere
nearby, but PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU PARK and be very respectful of the
neighborhood.  this is not the best area, dont say we didnt warn you!

from the parking lot, the space is a 1/2 block walk.  continue going W,
under the railroad bridge, to the first light you see, which is the corner
of 11th ave and GRANT ST.  go LEFT on grant and walk inside the fenced-in
area (DO NOT PARK IN THE FENCED-IN AREA, THAT'S V.I.P. PARKING AND WE WILL
NEED IT).  you will see several warehouses inside this fenced-in area,
then look for the red building which is the furthest in back (the only one
with a loading dock), and follow the beats... 

doors open at 12mid, and the event will go till about 6am.  admission at
the door is only $6 and we are asking you to bring exact change if you
can.  also, keep in mind that although the space HAS HEAT, the floor is
concrete, so it may not get as warm as we'd all like...so dress warmly, 
and bring an extra layer of clothing or a blanket just in case. 

drive safe everyone, remember there are likely to be some crappy winter
conditions on your way here. 

any problems call the table of ele_ments at 614.470.0929

(thanks to tom for letting us use his space one last time...)
++
e d

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>All this talk about flyers made me wonder.  Why is it that a flyer,
>specifically size, dictates what a party will be like.  It seems that if
>the flyer isn't poster size it won't get people's attention.  But the
>funny thing is that when you do a flyer like that, people say that there
>too big to fold up and put in there pockets.
>
>I wonder if my flyer for Blastoff wasn't so big, would I have had the
>same turnout.  Probably not.  That, to me, is a good indication of where
>some people have there heads.  I had, in my opinion, one of the best
>line-up's ever assembled  for a one night event.  But I didn't know if
>that would be enough.
>
>I am very curious what everyone thinks.  Please take the time and
>respond. Am I right, or am I just paranoid.
>
>Michael Dearborn-Majesty

you are 100% correct, mike. people can't get over their "bigger-is-better"
kick. ravers love to preach about how our movement is so rightous compared
to the status quo. yet, many, kids (and promoters) still adhere to
society's bogus product-ethics. you are not paranoid. many of our
"scenesters" are merely shallow fools looking for the next big thing. this
includes big flyers. if a lineup and a promoters reputation speak for
themselves then there is NO reason to produce overdone, poster-sized flyers
for a party. less is more. <--- golden rule. i pay more attention to flyers
that are postcard size or smaller than i do to posters. you can really
judge a promoters attitude on the promotional material they release for
their events. for examples of good, minimal flyers check out Plus 8 and
PlastikProducts. they have a flyer archive at www.plus8.com hype is so old.
let it die in peace and let's hope it stays dead...

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On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, ricochet wrote:

> if that party had just had a nice 8"x5" flyer with all the djs listed, it 
> would have been enuff. this isn't like tv where it's got to be bold and 
> flashy to attract a crowd. we go for the djs not the advertising 
> campaign. 
-
This answer may or may not be true depending on who "we" are.  For me,
yes, this is true, because I can read a flier and actually know who's who
(obviously I don't know everyone and I'm not trying to sound cool, cuz you
all already know I'm a dork;P) Some people however (i won't mention any
names *cough*newbies) don't have a clue, and will go to a party cuz the
flier was cool, not knowing who any of the dj's are, whether it's derrick
may or dick jones.

Just my thoughts:)
--Amy



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Okay, so maybe this discussion is over, but I just remembered my fave
flier.  It's not really in the midwest, but in Houston.  It's called
Enchanted Kindom.  It has the prettiest little girlie ya ever did see on
it!!

--Amy


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>On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Michael Dearborn wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if my flyer for Blastoff wasn't so big, would I have had the
>> same turnout.  Probably not.  That, to me, is a good indication of where
>> some people have there heads.  I had, in my opinion, one of the best
>> line-up's ever assembled  for a one night event.  But I didn't know if
>> that would be enough.
>>
Then Ricochet said...
>
>if that party had just had a nice 8"x5" flyer with all the djs listed, it
>would have been enuff. this isn't like tv where it's got to be bold and
>flashy to attract a crowd. we go for the djs not the advertising
>campaign.
>
Now Erinaceous pipes up with:

Yeah, that's what *we* go for, but I suspect that there is a large portion
of potential ravers who really depend on the artwork of a flyer to draw
them in.  Cool-ass graphics, huge "I'm gonna be the best party cause I've
got the best lookin' flyer" fonts, so on and so forth.  I have to admit
that when I first started out, I did look at things like that and say "now
THAT willl be a good party."  But once I learned to look at who is
promoting, who is spinning, and so forth, I can tell a Vibeonauts flyer
from two blocks away, but the small black and white monotone-looking flyers
make me turn them over and READ.
Not to specifically target Vibeonauts, as they are not the only production
company who puts out large-ass flyers, but yeah.
So if you are looking to get just a "good turnout" then yes.  By all means
print out your duplex-sized colour flyers.  But to me if half the people
there are looking to sit with their friends and see chemically-enduced
colours like were on the flyer, then the point is lost.  There's a lot more
to it than that...and some kids know that, but a lot don't.  And I've lost
direction, so chat with y'all later.

Always,
Erinaceous
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it's on right now... most of the stuff is pretty boring.  I did see the
Atari Teenage Riot video, but I was a little disappointed. I was hoping
for some alec empire total mayhem, but it just didn't deliver. oh well.

but the award for "coolest music video ever" goes to Portishead for their
little art-movie _To Kill A Dead Man_ which I really liked.

Ken Ishii had a very cool anime-esque video too.  And the video for that
fluke track was cool because it had Wipeout XL graphics, and Wipeout XL
was designed by Designers Republic, who does the coolest graphic design
ever.  I guess thats a sorta roundabout reason, but I like it.

anyone else see AMP this week?

bored and not at a party,

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please find somewhere else to discuss mtv and its show the amp

if i actually wanted to hear/talk/see it i would watch tv and order 
cable and rot my head ....

please no more



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
david morales is mtv's bitch

mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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hey guys :)
last night i went to forgotten on the south side of chicago, its my last
party here for awhile because im leaving school...so i decided to waste
your time with one last review before i go home to DC and take myself off
the list...
here goes:)
we got there early for once, and i was determined to have a good time,
because it was my last and all that.  they moved us in pretty quickly and
took our cans and lollypops at the door...there werent many people there
when we got there, id say about 200 or so...i saw some people i hadnt seen
in awhile and that put me in a really good mood..so, so far, so good :)
then the music went off...and it didnt come back, for awhile, but, i think
this was one of the best things that could have happened for that party.
during the hour and a half or so that it was off, people were talking
meeting everyone, i was giving out candy, it was really really fun, i
think this is what made the vibe at this party so incredibly welcoming and
good, so that when the music did come back everyone was so excited and
happy happy joyjoy and they had met new people :)  so, even tho the music
was all i wanted, i still think it was one of the best parties ive been to
in chicago...cuz the vibe is what makes it for me:)  anyway, thanks for a
great time guys, ive only been here 5 months, but they were great, and i
learned a lot:)  cya around...definetly at further :) plur and all that
jazz :)
love,
--maus

         
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First off i would like to thank all of my friends that said that they would
goto chicago and decided to hang around east lansing instead.  I personally
couldn't make a decision wether to goto chicago or not because of the drive and
i had bad opinions on what the parties in lansing and detroit were going to be,
so that's why i wanted to goto chicago.  After my friends dropped out, i heard
that Kenny Larkin and Buzz Goree was going to be added to the bill in detroit
so i decided to goto detroit instead.

And let me tell you it was the best decision that i have ever made i think.
First the party was as advertised $10 and that was before Kenny Larkin and Buzz
Goree had been added, some people should take example of when you say something
you stick to it.

Second,  mad mad mad mad props on the location.  A huge fuckin wharehouse that
had detroit written all over it.  Major props to the promoters for getting this
space, a good way to get thing going in detroit for 1997.  You know, i may not
be old school and all that shit, but for some reason i had the feeling it was
and old skool party.  Big wharehouse, minimal lights, and you really didn't
care who was spinning, you were there for the music.  You couldn't really tell
who was spinning the hole night so that's why you didn't really care, plus
Kenny Larkin was there.

that's about all i have to say about the party, really there isn't much to say,
but it was a good time.  Sound was a little light i thought and it was cold,
but i was more than willing to suffer those problems.

Over all, i have to give mad mad props to these promoters for putting on such a
good party.  I don't have the flyer right now so i'm not exactly sure who it
was but support these people in the future, they are good for the scene.
Delivered everything they promised at the price they promised, nice change of
pace.

I do have one questoin if anyone can answer this,  Who was the female live pa
that was on in the second room around 2am or so.  It was really nice and light,
i personally liked it.



--
joff
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embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
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>but the award for "coolest music video ever" goes to Portishead for their
>little art-movie _To Kill A Dead Man_ which I really liked.


*splits in two*

i've been wanting to see "To Kill A Dead Man" ever since i heard about it a
couple of years ago!  does anyone know if they rerun the same AMP show later
in the week?  anybody?

--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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   ok ive already written mike a personal note but i wanted to say something
publicly too....
 >
> All this talk about flyers made me wonder.  Why is it that a flyer,
> specifically size, dictates what a party will be like.  It seems that if
> the flyer isn't poster size it won't get people's attention.  But the
>   back in the day ( cool for not to long ago) flyers were meant just tell ppl
when the
next party was.thats all. it was judged by the line up,not by the color sceem
and the graphic design.
 BUT NOW it seems in areas outside of Detroit (my factual is from when i
travel) i get these grand ass flyers with monsterous color sceems that in some
homes could be used as platemats or gawdy wallpaper. whats the sense in this i
ask?????????
    WHEN WHEN WHEN will ppl figure out that the more colors that are used the
more glossy it is the larger numbers of times you have to fold a flyer to put
into your little pocket it COSTS YOU MORE to get in to the door!!! a main
goal of a promoter is to break even in all costs and a large part of that
comes from printing and hiring someone to design that thing.we sit here
and complain about outlandish prices and yet we pay them and yet we take the
flyers that causes them. its like a mean money cycle. the bigger the party the
more the djs get paid the more the flyers are the more that you have to
pay.hmmmmm? see a pattern???
   my vote for the most aweful flyer ive ever seen is one that im saving to use
as a placemat which goes to ladybug2 (thanks guys now i have something for my
first place). the best that ive seen comes from the poorboy crews from detroit
and teh sickness recovery and most of the PREFLYERS. the ones that arent glossy
the ones that dont have some naked woman with wings and halos and shout outs
and 24colors.the ones that tell me the basics, who what when where of how i
gert there.
we have created what we live in and what most of hate.think about it.
it is the ones that go against the grain and keep it true that keep it real.
thanks to those.
thats my 2cents and some change
Diana



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>i've been wanting to see "To Kill A Dead Man" ever since i heard about it a
>couple of years ago!  does anyone know if they rerun the same AMP show later
>in the week?  anybody?

They rerun the previous week's episode on friday nite @ midnight CST.  I
thought last night's episode was disappointing - most of the videos they
played had been on previous episodes.  I think the show's pretty cool (sorry
MikeyD).

Electronic music and genres are so new compared to other music forms.  I
love it that a lot of the when you're talking with someone about a really
good electronic song that the other person doesn't know there's really no
good way to describe it, whereas whenever i talk about a rock n roll band i
can say "they sound like so and so".  Electronic music has so many
directions for it to explore yet.  It's my prediction for 97 that we're
gonna start seeing drum machines and synths incorporated with a normal band
set up, with vocals.  Sort of stuff like prodigy, underworld, autechre,
atari teenage riot, that kind of stuff.  

And just to prove my point...  David Bowie's new single has a jungle rhythm! =)

Btw, I'm back (finally!)  Hello All!

See ya, 
Marc


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On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, matter wrote:

> At 01:51 PM 1/17/97 -0800, Linda Mautner wrote:
> >It's at the bottom of the page. Hope you like it.
> >-- 
> >DJ Weasel (Ben, not Linda)

> I think it rocks! :D Let's get everyone's feedback and make this happen! I
> want a mw-raves badge! ;P

alright, i will look this up and see about 
printing it out at work... i tried to get 
the message out to all of you that i have 
a laminating machine (well 3 of them) at
work and there is a FREE way to get them
done... i just wanted to know who was wanting
one and if there is something extra that 
i could stick on it to personalize it a bit.

my coputer has been down and i am currently
going through a very fough time, so i ask
that you be patient. please.  i will try to 
get this done, alright?

*hugz*
jaguar/jen2



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On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Matthew Carl Joffe wrote:

> Ok, i could be really off base here, but i think if we are going to have some
> type of a fair vote here, somehow someone needs to put the options on a web
> page.  Maybe we are the only school out there that dosen't have anyways of
> downloading graphics but i highly doubt it.  Our e-mail and i assume of many
> other schools, (since a couple in the area use our system) have a text only
> system.  This means that all of us can't look at the options unless the get put
> a web sight, or atleast to a news group where we can download them.
> 
> anyone have any thoughts about this

agreed, that way i can access them at work and
print them out from there.

*hugz*
jaguar/jen2



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On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, jASON.111 wrote:

> hey<<<
> 
> is anyone else getting their posts returned w/ this message attached when
> they try to post to the list? i'm stumped...
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> jason111
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me! me! i got two of them.



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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:48:50 -0500 (EST)
From: heather maria schrock <hschrock@indiana.edu>
To: rconder@falstaff.ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: NPR/PBS funding petition (fwd)

maybe you could forward this to some tcom folks???


>>>>For anyone who thinks NPR/PBS is a worthwhile expenditure of
>>>>$1.12/year  of their taxes (as opposed to, say, Newt
>>>>Gingrich's salary?), petition  follows. If you sign, please
>>>>forward on to others (not back to me). If  not, please don't
>>>>kill it -- send it to the email address listed here:
>>>>wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu
>>>>
>>>>PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing
>>>>major  cutbacks in funding.  In spite of the efforts of each
>>>>station to reduce  spending costs and streamline their
>>>>services, the government officials  believe that the funding
>>>>currently going to these programs is too large  a portion of
>>>>funding for something which is seen as "unworthwhile".
>>>>Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal $1.12
>>>>per person  per year, and the National Endowment for the Arts
>>>>equals $.64 a year in  total. A January 1995 CNN/USA
>>>>Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of  Americans wish to
>>>>keep funding for PBS, third only to national defense  and law
>>>>enforcement as the most valuable programs for federal
>>>>funding.
>>>>
>>>>Each year, the Senate and House Appropriations committees
>>>>each have 13  subcommittees with jurisdiction over many
>>>>programs and agencies. Each  subcommittee passes its own
>>>>appropriation bill.  The goal each year is  to have each bill
>>>>signed by the beginning of the fiscal year, which is  October
>>>>1.  In the instance of the Corporation of Public
>>>>Broadcasting,  the bill determines the funding for the next
>>>>three years.  When this  issue comes up in 1996, the funding
>>>>will be determined for fiscal years  1996-1998.
>>>>
>>>>The only way that our representatives can be aware of the
>>>>base of  support for PBS and funding for these types of
>>>>programs is by making  our voices heard.
>>>>
>>>>Please add your name to this list and forward it to friends
>>>>if you  believe in what we stand for.
>>>>
>>>>This list will be forwarded to the President of the United
>>>>States, the  Vice President of the United States, and
>>>>Representative Newt Gingrich,  who is the instigator of the
>>>>action to cut funding to these worthwhile  programs.
>>>>
>>>>If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of
>>>>this  petition, please forward a copy to
>>>>wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu. If  that address is
>>>>inoperative, please send it to  kubi7975@blue.univnorthco.edu.
>>>>This way we can keep track of the lists and organize them.
>>>>Forward this  to everyone you know, and help us to keep these
>>>>programs alive.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>1)  Elizabeth Weinert, student, University of Northern Colorado,
>>>>     Greeley, Colorado.
>>>>2)  Robert M. Penn.; San Francisco, CA
>>>>3)  Gregory S. Williamson, San Francisco, CA
>>>>4)  Daniel C. Knightly, Austin, TX
>>>>5)  Andrew H. Knightly, Los Angeles, CA
>>>>6)  Aaron C. Yeater, Somerville, MA
>>>>7)  Tobie M. Cornejo, Washington, DC
>>>>8)  John T. Mason, Dalton, MA
>>>>9)  Eric W. Fish, Williamstown, MA
>>>>10) Courtney E. Estill, Hamilton College, NY
>>>>11) Vanessa Moore, Northfield, MN
>>>>12) Lynne Raschke, Haverford College, PA (originally Minnesota)
>>>>13) Deborah Bielak, Haverford, PA
>>>>14) Morgan Lloyd, Haverford, PA 19041
>>>>15) Galen Lloyd, Goucher College, MD
>>>>16) Brian Eastwood, University of Vermont, VT
>>>>17) Elif Batuman, Harvard University, MA
>>>>18) Kohar Jones, Yale University, CT
>>>>19) Claudia Brittenham, Yale University, CT
>>>>20) Alexandra Block, Yale University, CT
>>>>21) Susanna Chu, Yale University, CT
>>>>22) Michelle Chen, Harvard University, MA
>>>>23) Jessica Hammer, Harvard University, MA
>>>>24) Ann Pettigrew, Haverford College, PA
>>>>25) Kirstin Knox, Swarthmore College, PA
>>>>26) Jason Adler, Swarthmore College, PA
>>>>27) Daniel Gottlieb, Swarthmore College (but truly from Lawrence, KS)
>>>>28) Josh Feltman, Tufts University, MA
>>>>29) Louise Forrest, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, MA
>>>>30) HongSup Park, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, MA
>>>>    (originally from Portage, Wisconsin)
>>>>31) Ana Sandoval,Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>>32) Katherine Navarrete, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>>33) Mandisa Washington, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>>34) Stephen Balzac, San Francisco, CA
>>>>35) Howard Yermish, Los Angeles, CA
>>>>36) Danielle Yermish, Los Angeles, CA
>>>>37) David S. Lefkowitz, University of California - Los Angeles
>>>>38) Frank S. Albinder, San Francisco, CA
>>>>39) Read S. Sherman, Harvard Divinity School
>>>>40) Stephane Lemelin, Cambridge, MA
>>>>41) Thomas Ouellette, Cambidge, MA
>>>>42) Richard Russell, Cambridge, MA
>>>>43) Nella Wennberg, Jamaica Plain, MA
>>>>44) Eric Smith, Jamaica Plain, MA
>>>>45) Alex Graham, Boston, MA
>>>>46) Dean Wei, Chicago, IL
>>>>47) Luisita Frances, Chicago, IL
>>>>48) Roy Vella, Stanford, CA
>>>>49) Alan Hellawell, Mountain View, CA
>>>>50) Timothy A. Scott, San Francisco, CA
>>>>
>>>>51) Albert M. Yeh, Mountain View, CA
>>>>52) Susan Yeh, Seattle, WA
>>>>53) Jonathan Payne, Seattle, WA
>>>>54) Cena Pohl, Seattle, WA
>>>>55) David Perk, Seattle, WA
>>>>56) Robert Srygley, Seattle WA
>>>>57) Katarzyna S. Kubzdela, Chicago, IL
>>>>58) Katy Human, Stanford, CA
>>>>59) Erica Fleishman, Reno, NV
>>>>60) C. Richard Tracy, Reno, NV
>>>>61) Kenneth E. Nussear, Reno, NV
>>>>62) Christopher R. Tracy, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI
>>>>63) Kristin Komives, Carrboro, NC
>>>>64) Jennifer Goldman, Chapel Hill, NC
>>>>65) Darcy Leach, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI
>>>>66) Van Luong, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI
>>>>67) Aurora M. Sherman, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI
>>>>68) Paul O. Stern, Seattle, WA
>>>>69) Erika Tapman, U. of Vermont College of Medicine
>>>>70) Opher Donchin, Urbana, IL
>>>>71) Prof. Pamela Cosman, University of California, San Diego
>>>>72) Ari Levitt, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
>>>>73) Nathan Martin, Berkeley, California
>>>>74) Lynn Price, Kensington, California
>>>>75) Leslie Shown, Kensiongton, CA
>>>>76) Mike Boals, Berkeley, CA
>>>>77) Wendy Boals, Berkeley, CA
>>>>78) Effie Westervelt, Tiburon, CA
>>>>79) Mary Burns, Taos, NM
>>>>80) Karen Page, New York, NY  (karenapage@aol.com)
>>>>81) Gary Holleman, Bemidji, MN (holleman@chefnet.com)
>>>>82) Tim Rosa, Newton, MA (trosa@world.std.com)
>>>>83) Doug Hersh, Sherborn MA (hersh@ultranet.com)
>>>>84) Ruel Little, Somerville, MA (rlittle@ascensiontech.com)
>>>>85) Stefan Wennik, Andover, MA (SWennik@aol.com)
>>>>86) Melissa Walia, SF, CA  (color@well.com)
>>>>87) Tracy Brown, SF, CA (tracy@nrh.com)
>>>>88) John T. Miller, SF, CA (johncom@dnai.com)
>>>>89) M. Todd Davis, SF, CA (todd_davis@gensler.com)
>>>>90) Michael Demetrios, SF, CA
>>>>91) J. Marc Perrin, NY, NY (mperrin@sbi.com)
>>>>92) Alyse Daberko, NY, NY (adaberko@sbi.com)
>>>>93) Jessica Guertin, Washington Univ. St. Louis (jg3@cec.wustl.edu)
>>>>94) Ellen Watson, San Francisco, CA
>>>>95) Bridgitt Arnold, Seattle, WA
>>>>96) Erica Yenni, Seattle, WA
>>>>97) Kerri Karvetski, Seattle, WA (70007.4401@compuserve.com)
>>>>98) Mark Butler, Seattle, WA
>>>>99) lazlow jones, long beach, ny  lazlow@undernet.com
>>>>100) Laura Bykowski, NYC, NY  laurab@gbcom.com
>>>>
>>>>101) Amy Stettler, NYC, NY  ZiolaS@AOL.com
>>>>102) F Ben Dana, Burlington, Vermont
>>>>103) Bill Dahill-Baue, Brattleboro, VT
>>>>104) S. Ryan Quick, Yale University, New Haven, CT
>>>>105) Jerry Anne Dickel, Yale University, New Haven, CT
>>>>106) Donald Beebe, Yale University, New Haven, CT
>>>>107) Stephanie Seery, School of Theology at Claremont, CA
>>>>108) Katherine A. Johnson, Baltimore, MD
>>>>109) Cynthia J. Halstead, Burke, VA
>>>>110) Ronald Northrip, Falls Church, VA ronnlee@clark.net
>>>>111) Jane Levandoski, University of Delaware, DE
>>>>112) Denise J. Hills, University of Delaware, DE
>>>>113) David P. Sobel, College of William & Mary, VA
>>>>114) Amey T. Sadler, College of William& Mary, VA
>>>>115) Donna M. Livingston, Woodbridge, VA
>>>>116) Karen A. Morris, Burke, VA
>>>>117) Michael E. Perdue  Atlanta, GA
>>>>118) David Cour, Washington D.C.
>>>>119) Katie Sergent, Washington D.C.
>>>>120) Nathan Sewell, Nashville, TN
>>>>121) Peter Eby, Nashville, TN
>>>>122) jeff taraday, seattle, WA
>>>>123) Julie Taraday, Seattle, WA>
>>>>124) Stephanie Cooper, Seattle WA
>>>>125) Kailen Mooney, Seattle, WA
>>>>126) Dylan Clark, Univ. of WA, Anthropology, Seattle 98195
>>>>127) Daniel Simons, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
>>>>128) Peter Anderson, University of Washington, Seattle
>>>>129) Rob Perry, Tampa, FL
>>>>130) Karen Davis, Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
>>>>131) April Severson Portland,Oregon
>>>>132) Jill Karsten, University of Hawaii at Manoa, Hawaii
>>>>133) Khalil J. Spencer, Honolulu, Hawaii
>>>>134) Charles H. Miller, Honolulu, Hawaii 21*19'10" N  157*49'45" W
>>>>135) Ed Ketz, Honolulu, Hawaii (ketz@pulua.hcc.hawaii.ed
>>>>136) Linda R. Thompson, Harding Univ., Searcy, AR lthompson@harding.edu>
>>>>137) Dayl L . Scherich, University of Arkansas <dscheric@comp.uark.edu
>>>>138) Randolph L. Mowry, New York University <mowry@is.nyu.edu>
>>>>139) Elliot M. Austin, New York University <austine@is3.nyu.edu>
>>>>140) Ro Conforti, New York University, NY, NY
>>>>141) Kelly Otter, New York University, NYC  <otter@is3.nyu.edu>
>>>>142) Janet F. Davidson, NYU, NYC  <jfd0039@is.nyu.edu>
>>>>143) Joanne K. Griffin, New York University, NY, NY
>>>>144) Dona J. Lethbridge, University of Alabama in Huntsville
>>>>145) Thomas A. Moss, Huntsville, Alabama <tamoss@ingr.com>
>>>>146) William S. Frantz, Los Gatos, California <frantz@netcom.com>
>>>>147) Arrita Peri Frantz, Los Gatos, California, <apfrantz@apple.com>
>>>>148) Kim Coleman, Santa Clara, CA <kac1162@aol.com>
>>>>149) Ray Umphreys, Cary, NC
>>>>150) Bonnie Umphreys, Cary, NC 74644.356@compuserve.com
>>>>
>>>>151) Sherwin Gooch, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
>>>>152) David A. Comstock, San Jose, CA 95120
>>>>         <comstock.d@applelink.apple.com>
>>>>153) Geri Z. Comstock, San Jose, CA 95120
>>>>154) Lu Reid, Campbell, CA  95008   <adream@apple.com>
>>>>155) Dave Thomas, Campbell, CA  95008
>>>>156) Bernard Chen, Rice University, Houston, TX  77054
>>>>157) Kerry Robinson, Washington University in St. Louis, MO 63132
>>>>158) Tess Garcia, Medical College of Virginia, Richmond
>>>>159) Claire Garcia, The Colorado College, Colorado Springs, CO  80903
>>>>160) Jane Cauvel,  The Colorado College, Colorado Springs, CO 80903
>>>>161) Kathy Brandt, The Colorado College, Colorado Springs, CO 80903
>>>>162) Phillippa Kassover, The Colorado College, Colorado Springs, CO 80903
>>>>162) Kevin Connors, Colorado College, Colorado Springs, CO  80903
>>>>163) Tyler Stevens, Green Mountain Falls, CO  80910
>>>>163) Grant Lange, Seattle, WA  98103
>>>>164) Yakaira Nunez, University of Illinois, Urbana, Il. 61801
>>>>165) Grey Larsen, Unionville IN 474681
>>>>166) Mark D. Moss, Bethlehem, PA 18015-0253
>>>>167) Larry Fish, Denver, CO 80210
>>>>168) Rebecca Miklich, Denver, CO 80219
>>>>169) Charles B. Hall, Colorado Springs, CO 80908
>>>>170) Nancy J. Skye Ridley, Denver CO 80220
>>>>171) James Mackay, Denver CO 80236-3414
>>>>172) Michelle Mowery, Long Beach, CA  90804
>>>>173) Margaret Walton, Long Beach, CA 90807
>>>>174) Judy Raphael, Leverett, MA 01054
>>>>175) Pasha Warren, Greenfield, MA 01301
>>>>176) Sutra McNamara, Leverett, MA 01054
>>>>177) Johanna Halbeisen, Northampton, MA 01060
>>>>178) Eric Halbeisen, Detroit MI 48216-1963
>>>>179) LiPo Ching, Los Angeles, CA 90006
>>>>180) Valerie Soe, San Francisco CA 94110 (vsoe@sfsu.edu)
>>>>181) Jon Winet, San Francisco CA 94703 <jawinet@ucdavis.edu>
>>>>182) Antoinette LaFarge, New York, NY
>>>>183) Heather Wagner, New York, NY <wag@slack.net>
>>>>184) Beth Carey, New York, NY <bethc@sva.edu, bcarey@interport.net>
>>>>185) Judy Carey, Potomac, MD <careyj@hq.hhmi.org>
>>>>186) Jenna Jones, Petaluma, CA <jonesey@hooked.net>
>>>>187) William Morse Shearer, Chelmsford, MA
>>188) Madelon Anderson, Merrimack, NH
>>189) Micky Tripathi, MIT
>>190) Daniel Mayer, Cambridge, MA (mayerda@huges1.harvard.edu)
>191) sean reardon, cambridge, ma (reardose@hugse1.harvard.edu)
>>>192) Karen L. Mapp, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02138
193) Donal Fox, Leonellis Music, Boston, MA 02119-1439
194) Kendra Shank, Seattle, WA
195) Robert Dale, Vashon, WA <rcdale@wolfenet.com>
196) Craig Harris, Seattle WA (charris@u.washington.edu)
197) Katie Peterson, Seattle, WA (Katie_Peterson@qmserver.lkwash.wednet.edu)
198) Nan McEntire, Bloomington, IN (mcentire@indiana.edu)
199) Laura Flanigan, Bloomington, IN (lflaniga@indiana.edu)
200) Heather Schrock, Bloomington, IN (hschrock@indiana.edu)










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> Now that I have your attention........
> 
> All this talk about flyers made me wonder.  Why is it that a flyer,
> specifically size, dictates what a party will be like.  It seems that if
> the flyer isn't poster size it won't get people's attention.  But the
> funny thing is that when you do a flyer like that, people say that there
> too big to fold up and put in there pockets.
> 
> I wonder if my flyer for Blastoff wasn't so big, would I have had the
> same turnout.  Probably not.  That, to me, is a good indication of where
> some people have there heads.  I had, in my opinion, one of the best
> line-up's ever assembled  for a one night event.  But I didn't know if
> that would be enough.
> 
> I am very curious what everyone thinks.  Please take the time and
> respond. Am I right, or am I just paranoid.

I think a smaller, cleverly designed flyer can cause the same amount of
excitement as a big "poster" type thing.  Also, the way the flyers are
handed out/get out also can play a hand in generating "excitement" about
something ... at least from my limited expereince.

For cultureshock, in madison, the people handing out our flyers had the
perfect oppurtunity because the party they were flyering was late
getting the doors open so they had a captive audience to hand out flyers
too.  They walked around and talked to people about the party when
handing out the flyers ... because of the duality of the event (tekkno
and jungle in two same sized rooms) they could pitch it either way the
particular reciever of the flyer was slanted musically.  In general,
people responded to the flyer handing out people with some level of
excitement.  

The flyer, itself, was folded to be pocket sized and unfolded, slightly
longer.  Handing them out I and others never saw many hit the floor
because they fit in the pocket ... versus alot of huge flyers which
littered the ground at the parties we handed the CS flyers out at.

And the flyers, not the best design graphically - but better than most
in the 612 - had silver ink which people thought was cool and unique and
brought more interest to the thing.

Granted cultureshock wasn't a huge party, but I think the flyering for
it was effective and somewhat fun for those involved in doing it.  We
had a 50% return on the flyers too, which I guess is better than normal.

I'd, personally, like to see more creative printing techniques used no
matter the size of the flyer.  I think the 3D thing is kind of run out,
but there are some really cheap printing methods that can make a flyer
have that extra push, such as using a 5th or 6th ink, metallic or
dayglo.

Foil stamping is also cheap if u go to specialy printing shops and
aren't using an intricate cut for the stamp.  Die cutting is typically
very expensive unless using a pre-fab mold.

The flyer for CULTURESHOCK 97 is a comic book printed at a local catalog
printer ... they're set up specifically to print that kind of material,
and thus are cheaper.

There is also another printing technique called Foilesse stamping, which
is expensive in small quantities, but in large volume is reasonable. 
What this does is add a translucent opalescent sheen to specified area
that gives it a holographic shimmer.

And, surprisingly, there is a holography printer in the Twin Cities
whose printing isn't all that expensive either.

earache.

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there was a lot of positive feedback regarding FSOL's latest cd, dead
cities, on this list; so i thought i would forward this information
for any that may be interested.  TTYL.


andrew j. shay ( qerve )
--------------------------
contact : bobtj@wwa.com
website soon.

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On the LA tip from AssTrelVerks:
The Future Sound of London will be doing a 2 hour ISDN broadcast on
Groove Radio on January 22nd at Midnight PST (Wednesday night, Thursday
morning). The show will be free of commercial interruptions and
simulcast on the station's internet site.

http://www.grooveradio.com 

Hey, it's free.
   _____
  / ,-,_)
 /,_) 
(/  RESH
Live & Direct from the G-Spot, 
Orange County, California, USA
http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/fresh.htm


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Check out Matter's sight, folks.  He told us they were up there.
(And they are, I looked myself.)
Perhaps, Matter my friend, you could repost your URL so that people can go
there?  :)  Keen.

Always,
Erinaceous
;-}

> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Matthew Carl Joffe wrote:
> 
> > Ok, i could be really off base here, but i think if we are going to have some
> > type of a fair vote here, somehow someone needs to put the options on a web
> > page.  Maybe we are the only school out there that dosen't have anyways of
> > downloading graphics but i highly doubt it.  Our e-mail and i assume of many
> > other schools, (since a couple in the area use our system) have a text only
> > system.  This means that all of us can't look at the options unless the get put
> > a web sight, or atleast to a news group where we can download them.
> > 
> > anyone have any thoughts about this
> 
> agreed, that way i can access them at work and
> print them out from there.
> 
> *hugz*
> jaguar/jen2
> 
> 


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No... United Dance Anthems 92-95 does sound like a good comp. I'm suprised
you were able to pick it up (on vinyl??!!!?). Heart of Gold (Force & Styles-
look out for them, they're good) is a most excellent toon as alot of the
other toons on the comp. It's a nice historical view of breakbeat- something
almost totally ignored in the midwest. While 92 breakbeat hardcore toons were
transforming into jungle in the UK, we in the midwest were getting more into
gabber and trance. Like I said, the toons on UD 92-95 anthems is history.

I did get UnitedDance vol5. It's quite good, but I got it on CD. Chicago's
been pretty frickin' lame. Nothing exciting, hardcore wise... unless you like
Delta 9, his nu one is out. I passed it up. Don't get me wrong, it's good
shit... if you're into the speedier core. My only complaint is that the only
hardcore everybody seems to know is the speedy shit. I don't like to use the
term HAPPY HARDCORE only because the word HARDCORE. Hardcore is a term which
most people seem to look down on. I'm glad to see that there are a few of you
out there that realise that there's so much more to hardcore than just terror
and evil. As I see it, UK stuff is going to have more actual live vocals and
less chipmunk vocals (Heart of Gold for exmple). I'm getting more into that
stuff... vocals vocals vocals!

Well, if anybody cares
I finally got my no good ass to do a tape. Nothing but vocal hardcore tracks.
I'll probably have a few at Untitled over here in Chicago. Maybe some other
places. 

Phil

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I think last week they showed Alex Reece's Feel the Sushine. I'd like it if
MTV would show more European music vids rather that the European version of
Road Rules. MTV lost it. No videos, just Rock & Jock sports and shit...



My nickle on the whole MTV shlock,
Phil

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I want to see les computer generated landscapes, less japanimation, and most
definitely less fractals. Die cut cartoon characters!!

Phil=)

How about Fortune cookies with the info for a fortune? It's been done before,
but I thought it was a wicked idea.

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Maybe I missed it ( I was unsubed for awhile) but does anyone remember 
the bilboard that was the Fantasia II flyer? It covers like half of my 
wall...

matt

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However...Kenny Larkin DID NOT SPIN. (He was present, though.)

 The same person who threw this party, Sean, is also in the process of
opening a record store in downtown Detroit. It's called "Spektor
Records" and is run by Sean and his brother, James. They might be open
already, but i dunno. Their number is: 313.567.7939 And, he also owns
and operates "Get Smart", the local smartbar. (Their drinks RULE!!!)
 By all means support this guy. He's very cool and I'm pretty sure he's
got his head screwed on straight.
	I didn't attend this event as I had planned to, but alas...I hear it
was super fuckin cold anyway. I was quite warm in front of this computer
all night. I need sleep. Bye...

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> The Goodtimes Email Virus
> 
> Goodtimes will re-write your hard drive.  Not only that, but it will
> scramble any disks that are even close to your computer.  It will
> recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice cream
> goes melty.  It will demagnetize the strips on all your credit cards,
> screw up the tracking on your television and use subspace field
> harmonics to scratch any CD's you try to play.
> 
> It will give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix
> Kool-aid into your fishtank.  It will drink all your beer and leave
> its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming over.
> It will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants
> and hide your car keys when you are late for work.
> 
> Goodtimes will make you fall in love with a penguin.  It will give you
> nightmares about circus midgets.  It will pour sugar in your gas tank
> and shave off both your eyebrows while dating your current boyfriend
> behind your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Visa
> card.
> 
> It will seduce your grandmother.  It does not matter if she is dead,
> such is the power of Goodtimes, it reaches out beyond the grave to
> sully those things we hold most dear.
> 
> It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it.
> It will kick your dog.  It will leave libidinous messages on your
> boss's voice mail in your voice!  It is insidious and subtle. It is
> dangerous and terrifying to behold.  It is also a rather interesting
> shade of mauve.
> 
> Goodtimes will give you Dutch Elm disease.  It will leave the toilet
> seat up.  It will make a batch of Methamphetamine in your bathtub and
> then leave bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase
> gradeschoolers with your new snowblower.
> 
> These are just a few signs...  Just be very careful!

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sorry for the bandwidth

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Hey everybody! :)
  This is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping someone would get=
 together...

check it out (it's growing) :D

matter

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>From: "=A4[Oo]=A4" <iam@chosen.org>
>Subject: Raver Whitepages
>Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com
>
>I got a nice response to Ravers with Homepages, and=20
>continue to recieve new links daily. I'm going to fly
>with the idea, so I changed the name to Raver Whitepages=20
>(even though they're black). I will probably be spending=20
>the next year adding the links. =3Do)=20
>I also moved the site. The new URL is:
>
>	http://www.chosen.org/ravers/
>
>Who knows? Maybe this site will become the Raver Yahoo?
>hehe
>
>For those of you that did not recieve or see the first post,
>here it is again...
>ATTENTION ALL RAVERS WITH HOMEPAGES!!!!!!!!
>
>I have just set up a new site called "Raver Whitepages"
>It is located at http://www.chosen.org/ravers/
>If you have a homepage that you would like added, Please
>either add it via the form located at the site or send me
>an e-mail containing the following:
>
>	*Name you would like listed
>	*URL
>	*Your e-mail address
>	*URL of homepage
>	*Information about homepage (i.e. is it a business, personal, etc.)
>
>mailto:ravers@chosen.org
>
>You may add a link directly to this page if you like.
>I hope to see this site grow quickly and help bond and
>unite ravers on the internet. As time progresses, and
>the list of links grow, it will be sorted, alphabetized
>and searchable. Thank you for your contributions.
>-pLuR
>-justin
>
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well everyone, here's my submission for the mw-raves laminate design.  I'm
pretty pleased with it.  I did it in black and white because I ifugred
that would be the most affordable when it comes to printing.   But i think
the design is good enough that it looks cool without having color.

for those of you who don't have a way of viewing attached files, I'm gonna
get matter to put it up on his web page along with the other ones.

hope you all like it...

chrisE!

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well everyone, here's my submission for the mw-raves laminate design.  I'm
pretty pleased with it.  I did it in black and white because I ifugred
that would be the most affordable when it comes to printing.   But i think
the design is good enough that it looks cool without having color.

for those of you who don't have a way of viewing attached files, I'm gonna
get matter to put it up on his web page along with the other ones.

hope you all like it...

chrisE!

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan 20 06:36:48 1997
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Yes, they do. Since Marc and I are losers, and watch AMP practically every
Saturday since we were poor for a couple weeks, it was already a rerun of
a previous one. Btw, I like the Ken Ishii one, and the one with the way
cool graphics before that. 

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On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Jeff Stern wrote:

> 
> >but the award for "coolest music video ever" goes to Portishead for their
> >little art-movie _To Kill A Dead Man_ which I really liked.
> 
> 
> *splits in two*
> 
> i've been wanting to see "To Kill A Dead Man" ever since i heard about it a
> couple of years ago!  does anyone know if they rerun the same AMP show later
> in the week?  anybody?
> 
> --jeff/stuff (that guy)
> 


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At 06:18 PM 1/19/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Check out Matter's sight, folks.  He told us they were up there.
>(And they are, I looked myself.)
>Perhaps, Matter my friend, you could repost your URL so that people can go
>there?  :)  Keen.

Always in my sig file, not like anyone really looks at those things. ;)

http://www.mcs.net/~arduous/

*hugs*
matter


Our differences simply help us to realize our similarites...

arduous nucelus / upcoming show dates:

01.24.97 / RELEASE / Urbana, IL / Urban(a) Techno Collective / US.217.353.5111
02.07.97 / POLARIS / Madison, WI / Joint Effort / US.608.275.3197
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At 04:34 PM 1/18/97 -0500, PHILFART@aol.com wrote:
>I say make your own! Be an individual! 

Phil, I don't care about anyone else, but I want one that looks just like
yours! ;)

*hug*

matter


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Michael Dearborn wrote:
>All this talk about flyers made me wonder.  Why is it that a flyer, 
>specifically size, dictates what a party will be like.  It seems that if 
>the flyer isn't poster size it won't get people's attention.  But the 
>funny thing is that when you do a flyer like that, people say that there 
>too big to fold up and put in there pockets.  
>
>I wonder if my flyer for Blastoff wasn't so big, would I have had the 
>same turnout.  Probably not.  That, to me, is a good indication of where 
>some people have there heads.  I had, in my opinion, one of the best 
>line-up's ever assembled  for a one night event.  But I didn't know if 
>that would be enough.  
>
>I am very curious what everyone thinks.  Please take the time and 
>respond. Am I right, or am I just paranoid.

Mike (et all),
  I like the smaller flyers the best, like 3x5 and smaller. I have seen
people do some pretty kewl stuff on a little space [I have also seen some
really, really tiny pieces of paper, with some very wicked designs ;)]. I
think, the smaller the flyer, the less likely the par-tay will get busted.
Unless, of course, it's in Chicago and then it will just get busted any
way. ;) IMO, anyone who is really into the scene, looks at flyers for the
talent. Tho, they might enjoy the design and what not, I think that comes
second to the talent itself.

In addition to regular printed flyers, there are a whole lot of creative
options out there. Like the UTC flyer for RELEASE. Simple and enjoyable:
just slap a sticker on the back of a kool-aid packet and your all set! I
would love to get see flyers (invitations) in more varying formats. I would
also like to see par-tays which give the raver something tangible to take
with them when they leave. A kinda souvenir. It wouldn't have to be
anything big, but IMO when you pay more than $15, for an event, you should
be walking out with a stuffed animal or something kewl.

Mike, you may be right AND paranoid, BUT remember this:
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you.

yore phrend,
matter


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan 20 08:47:30 1997
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Just my $.02 here--which doesn't mean much...:)
BUt personally, I think the bigger the flier the more likely to be busted
or the more expensive.  I actually like the smaller fliers with a decent
line-up which don't seem to really be around that much lately.  I did
although go to Blast-Off (which was a decent party) but I didn't see the
flier--I got the # and stuff off of here.  But to tell the truth, if I did
see the huge flier I probably wouldn't of gone.  I guess just from bad
luck in the past.  I think Ladybug 2 did some of us in as far as the flier
deals.
*ArasarA*

On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Michael Dearborn wrote:

> Now that I have your attention........
> 
> All this talk about flyers made me wonder.  Why is it that a flyer, 
> specifically size, dictates what a party will be like.  It seems that if 
> the flyer isn't poster size it won't get people's attention.  But the 
> funny thing is that when you do a flyer like that, people say that there 
> too big to fold up and put in there pockets.  
> 
> I wonder if my flyer for Blastoff wasn't so big, would I have had the 
> same turnout.  Probably not.  That, to me, is a good indication of where 
> some people have there heads.  I had, in my opinion, one of the best 
> line-up's ever assembled  for a one night event.  But I didn't know if 
> that would be enough.  
> 
> I am very curious what everyone thinks.  Please take the time and 
> respond. Am I right, or am I just paranoid.
> 
> Michael Dearborn-Majesty
> 


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mikey wrote:

>please find somewhere else to discuss mtv and its show the amp
>
>if i actually wanted to hear/talk/see it i would watch tv and order
>cable and rot my head ....
>
>please no more


come'on dude - that shit's not cool. this list is is for raves and things
"rave-related"...  amp DEFINITLEY fits into that category.

even though they don't ALWAYS play the newest and coolest "underground" of
the underground ( mostly because alot of those songs don't have videos ) -
they STILL play some COOL shit. i've seen stuff from r&s, suburban base,
moonshine (of course), strictly rhythym, limbo, even underground
construction records. it's TRUE that they are wearing out orbital and the
prodigy, but have the patience to hang in there and watch the rest ( sorry
you DON'T have cable mikey ) there REALLY is some good shit there. last
week i saw an erik b.& rakim/ofra haza/m.a.r.r.s. megamix with "paid in
full", "in-alu" and "pump up the volume"...

...that shit was phuckin PHAT. my apologies for anyone not hip to those
EXTREMELY phat dance cuts from the late eighties.

amp - give it a try ( made me at least a PARTIAL believer )

see ya in front of the screen.
kevy kev.



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please have these thing put up op on a web page im tiredof downloading all
these image files.

chiristian

>well everyone, here's my submission for the mw-raves laminate design.  I'm
>pretty pleased with it.  I did it in black and white because I ifugred
>that would be the most affordable when it comes to printing.   But i think
>the design is good enough that it looks cool without having color.
>
>for those of you who don't have a way of viewing attached files, I'm gonna
>get matter to put it up on his web page along with the other ones.
>
>hope you all like it...
>
>chrisE!
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>|  chrisE!                                |
>|  chris ege, crege@piper.hamline.edu     |
>|  http://www.hamline.edu/~crege          |
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>|  Minneapolis Idea Project               |
>|  http://www.photon.net/idea.project     |
>|  idea.project@photon.net 612.362.3387   |
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>|  DJ Funk gonna hurt somebody!           |
>|  work, work your body!                  |
>|  bootybootybootybootybooty!             |
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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chitown
simple

ps
as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes



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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   monday.january.27    chicago.il.usa      milkyway
 
         presented.by.thousand.words.magazine


             with.stars    dj.liquid
                           tom.pazen
                           earl.pleasure

         fasion.show.by    untitled
             visuals.by    X-FX
galactic.giveaways.from    moonshine
                           maxi
                           and.more


                  price    FREE.with.flyer.$10.with.out

             -gates.open.9pm.18+.with.ID-
    -at.house.of.blues.329.north.dearborn.chicago-
                 -info.312.923.7051-

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yes thats right this event is totaly FREE if and only 
if you have a flyer. so go get one damn it! look for flyers
at untitled, gramaphones, hot jams and all the other usual 
places.

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From: Kevin Koch <bluerazz@wspice.com>
To: kevy kev <kg2@coil.com>
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On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, kevy kev wrote:

> 
> 
> mikey wrote:
> 
> >please find somewhere else to discuss mtv and its show the amp
> >
> >if i actually wanted to hear/talk/see it i would watch tv and order
> >cable and rot my head ....
> >
> >please no more
> 
> 
> come'on dude - that shit's not cool. this list is is for raves and things
> "rave-related"...  amp DEFINITLEY fits into that category.
> 
> even though they don't ALWAYS play the newest and coolest "underground" of
> the underground ( mostly because alot of those songs don't have videos ) -
> they STILL play some COOL shit. i've seen stuff from r&s, suburban base,
> moonshine (of course), strictly rhythym, limbo, even underground
> construction records. it's TRUE that they are wearing out orbital and the
> prodigy, but have the patience to hang in there and watch the rest ( sorry
> you DON'T have cable mikey ) there REALLY is some good shit there. last
> week i saw an erik b.& rakim/ofra haza/m.a.r.r.s. megamix with "paid in
> full", "in-alu" and "pump up the volume"...
> 
Friday night me and a friend were watching AMP.  With a twist.
We decided a hour and a half before the show to drink
a 4oz bottle of robotussin max. strength cough.  Errrr....
that Eric B.&Rakim/ofra/haza/m.a.r.r.s. megamix with paid infull
video really tweaks your mind.   
I DARE ANYOne out here to do drink robotussin max. strenght cough while
watching amp..actuallly I dont as i'm one of those few who would be
desparate enough to drink the whole bottle. :)

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com

> ...that shit was phuckin PHAT. my apologies for anyone not hip to those
> EXTREMELY phat dance cuts from the late eighties.
> 
> amp - give it a try ( made me at least a PARTIAL believer )
> 
> see ya in front of the screen.
> kevy kev.
> 
> 
> 


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On a completely unrelated tip...  They did a really long show on Rev105
awhile back.
It was pretty kewl...

Love, peace, pinapple,

Mike

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I'm just stoopid. I can see them now... =P~ 

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hey! I tried to access them while at work, and the links don't work! 
is there either something wrong, or am i just being a total stupido today?
maybe it's all the drugs... =) gotta love cough syrup and antibiotics for
that nice winter cold. =) wheeeeee


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Everyone please read related threads to avoid retransmission of stale data...

The laminate designs are STILL on my www site:

www.mcs.net\~arduous\

matter

At 01:27 PM 1/20/97 -0500, simple wrote:
>please have these thing put up op on a web page im tiredof downloading all
>these image files.
>
>chiristian
>
>>well everyone, here's my submission for the mw-raves laminate design.  I'm
>>pretty pleased with it.  I did it in black and white because I ifugred
>>that would be the most affordable when it comes to printing.   But i think
>>the design is good enough that it looks cool without having color.
>>
>>for those of you who don't have a way of viewing attached files, I'm gonna
>>get matter to put it up on his web page along with the other ones.
>>
>>hope you all like it...
>>
>>chrisE!
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>|  chrisE!                                |
>>|  chris ege, crege@piper.hamline.edu     |
>>|  http://www.hamline.edu/~crege          |
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>|  Minneapolis Idea Project               |
>>|  http://www.photon.net/idea.project     |
>>|  idea.project@photon.net 612.362.3387   |
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>|  DJ Funk gonna hurt somebody!           |
>>|  work, work your body!                  |
>>|  bootybootybootybootybooty!             |
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
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>
>
>chitown
>simple
>
>ps
>as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes
>
>
>
>

Our differences simply help us to realize our similarites...

arduous nucelus / upcoming show dates:

01.24.97 / RELEASE / Urbana, IL / Urban(a) Techno Collective / US.217.353.5111
02.07.97 / POLARIS / Madison, WI / Joint Effort / US.608.275.3197
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> The laminate designs are STILL on my www site:
> 
> www.mcs.net\~arduous\

er, i should point out that the actual address is

http://www.mcs.net/~arduous/

hehe... matter doesn't even know his own URL! :)  actually, it was just
the slashes were going the wrong direction and I thought that might've
thrown someone off. (as if!) 

oh well, it's all set to copy and paste now.

chrisE!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  chrisE!                                |
|  chris ege, crege@piper.hamline.edu     |
|  http://www.hamline.edu/~crege          |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  Minneapolis Idea Project               |
|  http://www.photon.net/idea.project     |
|  idea.project@photon.net 612.362.3387   | 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  DJ Funk gonna hurt somebody!           |
|  work, work your body!                  |
|  bootybootybootybootybooty!             |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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Pretty cool, eh? 

-corrie

---------- Forwarded message ----------

    CALL FOR ENTRIES ******************  PLEASE POST

The Foundation for Convulsive Beauty is pleased to announce its first-ever
Gilbert N. Kelly, Jr., Memorial Product Subversion Award.

A grant of $20,000, made possible by an anonymous donation, will be awarded
for the best act of creative subversion of any highly visible commercial
product (mass-produced item, advertisement, television show, etc.).  The act
must be completed between January 1, 1997, and January 1, 1998; the award will
be made on March 1, 1998.

To qualify, an act of subversion
        MUST NOT cause physical injury,
        MUST NOT gratuitously damage the product or company, and
        MUST NOT be an attempt by one individual or company to damage another.

Acts will be judged on the degree to which they are visible, effective,
clever, and beautiful.

Submissions should be in the form of a written description of the subversion,
and should include documentation sufficient to permit independent
verification.  Description of any media reaction (with newspaper dates, etc.)
should also be included.

Please send submissions via electronic mail to FCB@MailMasher.com (address
subject to change).  If materials must be mailed, an address will be provided
following verification.  All entries will be kept confidential until January
1, 1998, at which point finalists will be announced, with their permission.

    CALL FOR ENTRIES ****************** PLEASE POST


Please see http://www.wired.com/news/story/1161.html for more information
about the Foundation for Convulsive Beauty and its Gilbert N. Kelly, Jr.
Memorial Product Subversion Award.

A brainstorming resource may be found at
http://www.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/Hacks/.

Any help obtaining further media coverage for the Foundation and the Kelly
award is greatly appreciated.  While response has so far been significant,
more is needed for there to be a high likelihood of quality entries.

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Everybody else seemed to do their own little awards, so here are mine.
Please excuse the lateness.

Best event:  UFO 2, Erotishock, March 2 Madison
Best space:  UFO 2
Best rave with sweat raining from the ceiling:   UFO 2
Best rave that couldn't live up to its predecessors:  UFO 3, Sept. 7 Madison

Best rave that got busted:  Surge, March 23rd Madison
Best renegade party after a busted rave:  Surge afterparty

Best rave that lasted all memorial weekend long: Furthur
Best mud and inclement conditions:  Furthur

Worst Bathrooms:  Pele November 23 Chicago
Best Bathrooms:  Vanishing Point July 27 Madison

Best new artist:  Squarepusher
Best old artist:  James Brown
Best dead artist:  Michelangelo

Best Flyer:  Vanishing Point, Madison u.p.s.  (Wicker Park)
Worst Flyer:  Anything by Sir Real Labs, particularly back together (vibeonauts)

Best dj performance:  Laurent Garnier, Elektrik Disko Aug 31 Mnpls
Best live performance:  Skylab 2000, first night of Raveum and Bailey Aug 30
Madison

Best sound system:  Elektrik Disko
Best lights:  main room at Pele (tie)   the laser at raveum and bailey

Rave with the best lineup that didn't show up:  Pele, Chicago, Groove Theory
<---Stay Away!

Best rave toys:  those hot packs and ice packs, vibrators
Best candy:  Pop rocks

Coolest zine:  Bean 

Coolest posts to mw raves:  me (heheheh);~)

See ya!
  




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bleh.  :(


well, jeff n me n scott all hooked up and drove up there.  we got there about
11 or 11:15... the first 100 people were $10 and then tix were $15.  we weren't
in the first 100.

the space:  sabre lanes... a neat bowling alley.  the actual rave was in this
huge dance area... really big.  and there must have only been about 250 people
there.  they didnt fill the area at all, it sucked.

the lights:  they were neat until they got shut down.  <see sound/music review>

the vibe:  BLAH.  pretty vibeless.  people were just kind of indifferent.  not
happy at all.  but not real sad or anything either.

the smart drinks:  those were some pretty darned good smart drinks!  :)  on a
side note... this hi-c double fruit cooler tastes kinda like a smart drink. 
mmmmmmm.  :)

the sound/djs/music/et al:  yes and no.   the nite started when we got there
with dj anonymous, straight outta the ghetto hood of madison, spinnin some HARD
ass jungle!  woo woo josh!  he kicked some booty.  however, WHAT THE HELL IS UP
WITH APPLETON?   there were three people dancing... and everyone else was
standing around on the walls.  reminded me of a punk rock show or something.

next was illusion.  and the descrip on the back of the flier was right, he IS
surely one of wisconsins best kept secrets.   what an awesome set... really
really good acid and 4 on the floor throwin down music.  he spun size 9's i'm
ready, i think he spun the new misjah on missile, and just a bunch of great
tracks.  real good!  :D

next was drc.  now let me tell ya... i dunno.  i wasn't that impressed, but i
really don't think it was her fault at all.  she started out lighter and i was
just starting to get into her building set when suddenly... the sound started
popping and the speakers farted at us!  the sound was off for about 45 minutes.
 <they said something about a drink or something being spilled on some
electronic equipment, i guess>.  i dunno, this was the point at which a lot of
people were thinking about demanding their money back... this party was NOT
worth $15.  MAYBE if i had paid $10, i would have said "oh well" but i was
kinda pissed about that.   anyhow, the sound came back on for a sec and she
started spinning, and then the speakers started making noises again.  the sound
was off for a while again.  she was visibly MAD AS HELL <and who wouldnt be?  i
think any dj would, that would piss me off too!>  the crowd was having fun with
it when it first happened, but now they were startin to get angry.  no one
really knew what was going on, why this was happening... at this point, the
lights had been turned off <to conserve power or something?>  and some guy was
takin em down.  gah.  the lights were really neat, they were just a couple of
flashy colored lights that swiveled around....and a couple strobes i think...oh
well.  the overhead lights basically got turned on some so people could see
what they were doing... and bleh.  well anyhow, i just went and played pool and
video games with josh for a while.  couldn't deal with this crap.  i guess it
got fixed eventually.  we went back, and we didn't even see the end of drc's
set.

adeptus wazs on.  i think he was the highlight of the nite <and not a really
high highlight...> ... he spun just this wicked trance!  whoa boyeeeee!  it was
really really really good... and i was impressed.  we left during the middle of
his set around 4 am cuz we were tired.  left angry about the evening.

what was up with the sound?  it sounded okay when adeptus turned it up, but it
got turned back down.   seriously, i was NEXT to the speakers, AND I COULD
WHISPER TO SOMEONE WHEN I WAS ABOUT A HALF FOOT FROM THEIR EAR!  i showed a few
people this... WHY WAS IT SO QUIET?!?  the music just wasn't as captivating
when you can hear conversations over it.  blah.

well, we got more melt fliers handed out.  i bought a cool tshirt from the
vending table!  and i got THREE <count em, 3!> tapes!!!!!   Terry Mullan and DJ
Hyperactive from TORNADO in chicago on 7.9.94.... kikoman <and it says phantom
45, but no jungle is to be found on the whole tape> from DREAM in appleton on
12.13.96.... and hyperactive live from SMILE in minneapolis in 1993!!!  these
tapes are really great to me now, because it really showcases what these djs
were and are today... great music... kikoman brings back some memories.... all
in all, worth $8 a tape for sure!

well... i hope appleton grows into the next madison from last year... i hope
they don't go the path of chicago or something.  <some lady asked me for e or
meth.  grr.>  i hope the scene blossoms there.  i have a lot of hopes. 

and i can't wait for the NEXT party, maybe i'll have fun at the next one. 
porcupine rocketship should not disappoint, anyone know if its gonna be in
ROCKFORD or somewhere like taht?  i really need to know soon, because i have to
pick up my dad at 9:15 pm at the bus station... and then i need to approximate
how long its gonna take to get there.  so... 

peace.

jon/dica

np:  terry mullan - live from tornado  chicago  7.9.94


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i need to know someone from, close to, or passing thru madison who is going to
release on 1.24.97 in champaign/urbana.  i REALLY wanna go.  i wanna crash
there on saturday and chill.  i wanna see some of the town.  however, i have no
ride!  i'd be able to provide some gas money, food, tapes, etc... whatever you
need!  i need a party is what i need.  soooo... please help me out, some kind
soul.  i don't bite!  :)

jon/dica

np:  terry mullan - live from tornado


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anybody go see tricky at the metro or go to direct drive on the southside?

reports...?


peace

wissol
sknol@nwu.edu



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okay, I really, really, really, really want to go to release.  

The problem is this:  i live 500 miles away from urbana/champaign. and i'm
dead broke.

So if there's anyone in minneapolis or the twin cities area who's planning
on going (other than erinaceous... grr!) please let me know.  I can afford
a *little* gas money, but not very much. (however, i could pay you at a
later date if that works!)

Or... if there's anyone interested in going, also let me know.  I do have
a car, and would be willing to drive. The only condition is this-  I can't
afford to pay for any of the gas.  And gas round-trip is going to cost
about $90. I know it's expensive if one person pays for it, but divided
between a few kids it's not all that much...

wishfully thinking,

chrisE!

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hey.. well.. i just picked up a flyer from soul junkies.. and it listed
this for this coming friday at the night club SHeLTER.. 

djs..

derrick carter
spenscer kincy
josh werner
scott song
diz

(friday jan 24th)... if u have a flyer.. u can get 2 people in for free
before midnight.. what a deal! um.. i usually find shelter flyers at
souljunkies, untitled, rocket69, grammaphone, etc.. 

oh yah.. i also heard that miles maeda is going to be at smart bar on
tuesday this week.. and is it also true that the hardkiss brothers will
there on friday? let me know if anyone can confirm this..

okay.. see u all later.. 

satya

(not as homesick for ohio as she used to be) :P


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My vote is for Natural..it was quite beautiful, and it  had a beautiful 
message on it. Those eyes burned right through you. 

Kyle

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you  are very right in that the flyer size, guage of the paper and just
generally how it looks determines how the party will turnout, this is
terribly backwards but true of many ppl. also are you correct on your
assessment of your lineup being one of if not the best ever, for a one
night party....

----------
> From: Michael Dearborn <909303@concentric.net>
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
> Subject: Free Mix Tapes!!!!!!!!
> Date: Saturday, January 18, 1997 8:56 PM
> 
> Now that I have your attention........
> 
> All this talk about flyers made me wonder.  Why is it that a flyer, 
> specifically size, dictates what a party will be like.  It seems that if 
> the flyer isn't poster size it won't get people's attention.  But the 
> funny thing is that when you do a flyer like that, people say that there 
> too big to fold up and put in there pockets.  
> 
> I wonder if my flyer for Blastoff wasn't so big, would I have had the 
> same turnout.  Probably not.  That, to me, is a good indication of where 
> some people have there heads.  I had, in my opinion, one of the best 
> line-up's ever assembled  for a one night event.  But I didn't know if 
> that would be enough.  
> 
> I am very curious what everyone thinks.  Please take the time and 
> respond. Am I right, or am I just paranoid.
> 
> Michael Dearborn-Majesty

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can anyone give me some info on insurance policies for a party?  we're
definitely getting some, but any leads on where to start, what's good, etc
would help me!  email me privately OR post to the list for others benefit...
its all good with me.  :)

jon/dica

np:  kikoman - live from dream


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a homegrown review!!!!!  :D

dj amino.... i dunno, i hear he smells funny and wears clothes from the gap. 
:P  just kidding marc!

marc throws down some awesome material in a rad way on "muzik for the massiv".
his mixes are long and drawn out, carefully calculated.  definitely not a cut n
scratch hip hop dj.  :P  <maybe someday, eh?>

the first side is more funky breaks.  i've mentioned before that i do'nt like
breaks all that much... but i do dig acid breaks and what marc has presented
here is stuff that i like.  including 4 records in a row that i have.  :)  with
such artsts as coke-snorting-off-of-little-boys, astral pilot <rabbit in the
moon mix>, josh wink, brother grim, electroliners n basco, hmc, vitamin d...
yeah, i like it!  its real nice.  "not that i... ever watched it or anything" 
-- wayne's world, the cop.   definitely stuff to groove and move to!

the second side turns more acidy!  it has an overplayed track on it <imho,
although i still own it> .. "access" by misjah and tim.... but it's played for
a very short time and mixed EXTREMELY well... and i still got into it, so it
can't be that played out!  :D  other traxx are by speedy, awex, acidphase 3,
misjah, and 777 <plastikman mix>.... the side is very slammin!  no trix here,
just smooth as buttah mixin!  only gripe is that there's room left on the tape
for more of marc's mixing!  :P  woo woo marc, nice job!

for info on this tape, or any crimes, please point and click your way across
the internet to maegley@students.wisc.edu.  :P  and put a pretty picture here,
while you're at it.  :P  hehe. 

jon/dica

np:  kikoman - live from dream  appleton  12.13.96  <i forgot WHAT this song
is... but it's a really popular song with female vocals that says "i feel
themmmm" or something.... and it's a techno remix of it with acidy house feel. 
REALLY REALLY nice track and i want it for listening pleasure!!!  but i wanna
know what the original song was too.  :P>   AHHHHHHHH i want this song too!!! 
ican t think of it!  :P  its on one of the monthly hyperactives too!  blah!  im
rambling, i think i better go study more now.  :)  bye!


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It is very sad, but unfortunately very true.  The size of the flyer is
what determines how good a party is for a lot of people.  I used to not
believe this (or at least I didn't want to) until recently.  While
promoting for Phore and for New Years I overheard more than just a few
kids talking about parties after they would get their flyers from the
flyer lines.  Too many times I heard comments that indicated the size of
the flyer determined where they were going. What you need to realize is
that for many of the peopl who go to raves the scene is just a place to
party and the music isn't so important.  They are looking for the flash
and the hype and the place where the most people are most likely to be. 
>From the music standpoint thats bad of course, but from a purely party
standpoint it's good.  The bigger the party is, then well, the bigger of
a party it is.  Until all of the promoters get together and form a pact
that no flyers will be over a certain size, then big flyers will exist. 
With the outrageuos fees that djs are getting these days promoters need
to get more people to show up to pay the bills.  And usually the
admission increases as well.  It's only getting worse.  Once promoters
also agree that enough is enough and quite giving djs $1000 or more to
dj for a night then dj fees will also come back to reasonable levels. 
Would you believe that each of the three headlining djs at Direct Drive
this past weekend got $3000 or more to play at that party!

The Drop Bass approach is usually not concerned with size, but more with
theme and artistic style.  The Decadence flyer used nothing ravey on the
front of it and used design unlike any other flyer.  For Pedal to the
Medal I used hard and cold imagery on the main flyer to convey what the
party was.  Furthur used some of the Decadence ideas combined with 60's
style to give it a feel that represented the party well.  Better not
bring up Phore here so I won't - but it's just us pushing the limits a
bit.  For New Years this year I had an idea of something new, but once
the budget for the party went way overboard (to compete with the other
parties - not really because we wanted it to) I decided that the bigger
is better approach be used to make sure the party people came out with
the music people.  As a sad, but true proof to that theory more people
came out for that party than any other in the midwest to date!  Was it
the line-up or was it the flyer?  We'll never know.  However, I didn't
completely sell out with that flyer as I stuck to the original idea of
making the design on the front fairly simple and not ravey, with our
usual subliminal messages.

Actually, one of the ideas I was thinking of for New Years was to make 2
foot by three foot posters that said Big Fuckin Rave on it for the
flyer.  I'm glad that I passed, but I am sure we'll see it soon enough
from someone.

So, in answer to Mikes question - yes flyer size matters.  And so does
the amount of bullshit on it.  If you want to keep your integrity then
you'll do whatever you want and not what the the people think they want
("what you want isn't always what you need" - from a DBN flyer).  If
enough promoters do it this way then things will get back to normal and
the people who do the huge flyers will be the outcasts who are trying to
sell hype.

kurt

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> Actually, one of the ideas I was thinking of for New Years was to make 2
> foot by three foot posters that said Big Fuckin Rave on it for the
> flyer.  I'm glad that I passed, but I am sure we'll see it soon enough
> from someone.

that woulda rocked!  its probably a very expensive way of making a point,
but a think a lot of people would've understood what you were getting at.

and hell, the silly rave kids would've eaten it up too.

chrisE!


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> > Actually, one of the ideas I was thinking of for New Years was to make 2
> > foot by three foot posters that said Big Fuckin Rave on it for the
> > flyer.  I'm glad that I passed, but I am sure we'll see it soon enough
> > from someone.

actually, you should just make 4'x4' flyers made outta cardboard or 
linoleum  so the kids would have something to breakdance on...
;)

> and hell, the silly rave kids would've eaten it up too. > 

Damn right they woulda! Probably woulda named it flyer-of-the-century and 
passed it on as a treasured heirloom too...
;)

back to the depths...
TheTenthPlanet

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From: syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
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i know it's a bit early, but i'd like to cast my vote for the
worst flyer of '97, since i just picked it up...

CABIN FEVER by Collective Intelligence

I know Walt's partys are cheap, but i'd have to say this flyer   
has hit an all time low...i know black & white zeroxed flyers
were acceptable back in the day, but b'jesus, it's 1997, u can
atleast shell out enuff dough to print it on cardstock or atleast
on a different color paper!

plus usually when u think of 'cabin fever' u think about being
snowed in with nothing to do but becoming a couch potato or
shacking up with yur significant other and letting 'the heat
between the sheets' keep out those winter time blues (which is
kinda why i missed yet another ele mental party, big apologies
to all those who we said we meet @ ION, especially ed after
bumping into him @ King's Ave Coffeehouse right before the party! 
i swear we'll be @ SNOW*DRIFT !). i'm sorry but the last thing
i think about when i think of 'cabin fever' is Jenny McCarthy's
breasts!

and even worse is the actual printing on the flyer...there's a
large majority of ravers in cleveland that think the flyer reads:
'ohio fever...and what's up with that mysterious white dot that
appears between the 'a' and the 'n' in 'January' on the flyer?
...or why is the ele mental info line mysteriously cut off from
the flyer?...speaking of some serious cutting off, the back of
the flyer is the worse, it reads:

cing music fun djs dancing music fun djs
e illigence 614.470.3839
n of superfly march 1997
support your scene    peace
470.3839

i mean c'mon it really isn't 'intelligent' to mispell 'intelligence',
especially when it's part of the name of your organization...but
perhaps it's subliminal to read: e elegance (yeah that's the ticket!)

   
pee.ass. i luv walt, desmond, melissa, and the whole collective cru!
i just posted this cuz i've got 'cabin fever' and i've got nothing
better to do :P~~~~~~~* kinda like the reason why i came up with a  
less bandwidth wasting sig for blitz, which kinda looks like this...

4230 North Oakland Ave  Milwaukee, WI 53211  THE FREEBASE GHETTO PROPAGANDA LAB
                ____     __________       
     ____      /   /    /___   ___/_____     "AS LONG AS GOVERNMENT EXISTS
    /   /     /   /     /__/  /_____   /         PEACE & EQUALITY CANNOT"
   /   /_____/   /     /  /  /     /  /  "Tear It Down & Let The Truth Begin!"
  /   __    /   /     /  /  /     /  /   "All government, all law & authority
 /   /_/   /   /_____/  /  /     /  /_____ finally rest on force and violence,
/_________/_________/__/__/     /________/ on punishment or fear of punishment!"

e-mail: blitz7@terracom.net      info: 414.256.1350       pager: 414.288.9721

but i guess saving bandwidth wasn't on blitz's resolution list for this
new year =/

ok, i'll shut up now!

--
________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________

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Size matters, unfortunate but true.  All things being equal, bigger wins.
Of course, it helps to have a quality line-up as well.  I use all sorts of
flyer types, some small, medium and the occasional large one.  I only get
above 1/2 page when I have a really slamming line-up.  I have tried to do
some low cost events in the past, with simple flyers and one really good
dj, but the people don't respond.  I would say that about 90% of the
people who go to parties make their decision based on the look and size of
the flyer.  

On the subject of dj fees, the europeans charge an arm and a leg because
they miss several dates in europe when they play in the states.  The
europeans pay so much because they bring in so much at the door, due to
higher prices and attendences.  Over the last year dj prices have close to
doubled.  Everybody thinks they should get paid more.  Dj inflation and
space inflation are the primary reasons that I have had to raise ticket
prices.

I don't see this trend ending any time soon, although I think it has
leveled off somewhat.  We are currently at a ceiling which I think will
last for at least this year, with only slight increases.  ie, $20 events
will continue to be the norm, with the occasional $25 or $15 event.  I am
however, still planning some less expensive events.



tim



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Evolution and Maxximum present

RENEGADES

Sat March 8th, 1997
Louisville, KY

 
Techno -
Frankie Bones - sonic groove records.  The east coast originator returns.
An evolution favorite, he is sure to bring the house down.

Lenny Dee - Industrial Strength.  Prepare yourself for the brooklyn
bomber, his all out assualt takes no prisoners.

Mindy Candy - Old school techno wizard from back in the day, busting out a
special old school set for those who have been around.

Jungle -

Peshay - metalheadz, One of the premiere jungle producers/djs in the
world.  Bringing the flavor of the UK jungle underground to the states
He is guarenteed to have more plates than your mom's china cabinet. 

Ellis Dee -   Ellis is also a top notch dj/producer from the UK.  A leader
in the jungle movement since the beginning.  He will have all the
hardsteppers begging for more.

Trace - Kiss fm, The one like trace bringing the techstep madness to the
massives, bring on the the whistle crue, because the rewinds will be in
full effect.

Chek -  Nashville, breakbeat since the start.

Jonah -  Better Days, Louisville.


House -

Garth - Wicked Crew, San Francisco  The head honcho of the wicked crew
makes his long awaited return to the midwest.

James Christian - Sorted, Nervous.  East coast hard house at its best.

Gene Farris - Casual, Relief.  Chicago house at its best

Justin Long - Teamsters, Chicago.  More chicago house from the teamster
crew.

Jeff Feller - St Louis, Deep Grooves.  Deep house action.

Matt Henderson - Evolution pimp boy.


502.569.1969


tim
evolution productions




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WOW!

that partys line up makes my heart *almost* stop!

all those jungle djs!!!!!!!

anyone know how far louisville is from chicago? 

-satya


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>hey.. well.. i just picked up a flyer from soul junkies.. and it listed
>this for this coming friday at the night club SHeLTER..
>
>djs..
>
>derrick carter
>spenscer kincy
>josh werner
>scott song
>diz
>
>(friday jan 24th)... if u have a flyer.. u can get 2 people in for free
>before midnight.. what a deal! um.. i usually find shelter flyers at
>souljunkies, untitled, rocket69, grammaphone, etc..
is it on tuesday? ithought it was on wed. and the hard kiss borthers at
shelter? i dont know about at. shit i was jsut her and should hav e flier
some where around here.

christian
ps satyaif you want tog let me know.

>
>oh yah.. i also heard that miles maeda is going to be at smart bar on
>tuesday this week.. and is it also true that the hardkiss brothers will
>there on friday? let me know if anyone can confirm this..
>
>okay.. see u all later..
>
>satya
>
>(not as homesick for ohio as she used to be) :P


chitown
simple

ps
as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes



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wers thats a good thing ofr  any one that tis even think ing about a major
party situation.
christian

>can anyone give me some info on insurance policies for a party?  we're
>definitely getting some, but any leads on where to start, what's good, etc
>would help me!  email me privately OR post to the list for others benefit...
>its all good with me.  :)
>
>jon/dica
>
>np:  kikoman - live from dream


chitown
simple

ps
as ususal please excuse the typing and spelling mistakes



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i keep wondeing why ppl dont use pastcard printing for getting party fliers
printed. i like when a heavier card stock is used, that what i look for
concidering how few fliers ar eon better stock. they ar efull color and
realitively cheap from the rates that i have seen, andi think they were
high.


and if ppl havnt heard yet  B I G G E R   IS  N O T   B E T T E R !!!!

at least for me. the promater s rep and  the line up will tellme what to
expect from the party.


simple


chitown
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It's good to see all of you again on mw-raves.  This is PURE/WPCM just
posting up a quick one on a friend's account.  I was recently put out of
business by my shiftless and insignificant ex-partner at WPCM.  I am
back and getting back into the swing of things.  The scene is wonderful
and wonderfully fucked up.  Who cares anymore what anybody really has to
say.  it's really just about fuck you and move so that I can fucking
dance.  That's the way it all started.  That's the way it is. And that's
the way the shit will end for those of you out there who actually are
out there still partying.  There are too many KC's and what nots out
here playing word games and trying to push people's buttons with
dumbshit.   I didn't just say hello so that I could bitch.  I've seen
all of my old friends out and about.  kurt from DBN, Frankie, Roy, Wade
and all of the rest of the old schoolers that really started it all. 
You can say what the fuck you like.  None of you can even attempt at
pulling off the gigs that these guys have done.  I realized after a
while that It doesnt really pay to throw parties or organize any other
type of activity for people who really don't even want to go.  Or people
who don't even know why they are really there.  I know why I started. 
It makes me no difference.  PURE is just a name.  It's the people behind
the bullshit name that really make the difference.  Our parties will
become nothing more than one room, one lamp and a couple serious minded
dj's.  I hope that I can still receive some of the love and fulfillment
that I used to out of throwing parties.  But maybe I will piss too many
people off by speaking my mind and screw up the chance of this happening
anymore in the future.  Oh well, my GOD has blessed me with many many
gifts.  First and foremost the ability to love and enjoy the bliss that
it brings.  I got nothing but love for all of my friends and the people
who love our music and our lifestyle.  We're going back to what we
learned in the beginning.  a few bucks, a few dj's and alot of sweat. 
If your D&G t-shirt costs too much to sweat in, fuck off and pay $22 for
a less than $5 party.  Tell the promoters out there that you are so busy
dissing and then supporting that you're smarter than that.  Make the
mother-fuckers deliver what the hell they promise!!!  HOUSE MUSIC all
night long.  HARDFUCKING TECHNO till you run the fuck home.  Peace.
PURE/WPCM

Charles Little

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hehe, the other day my sister and I (Andrea W. :) were driving up to our
mom's house when we saw this
funky billboard put up by Coca-Cola.  It was a license plate with the
following for the plate info:
R U ON E?
and then in tiny letters at the bottom it says "Refuel with coca-cola"   :)
the license plate part was
the most noticible :)

and then, about 1 minute later, as we round the corner, I see this van and
spraypainted on the side is:
"DMT LIVES!"   :)

weirdness :)

--Jeff W.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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interesting legal questions. Since DMT is illegal, as is 
"any material, compound, mixture or preparation" containing 
DMT, it would seem we are all guilty of possession of a 
controlled substance." --Jonathan Ott

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>pee.ass. i luv walt, desmond, melissa, and the whole collective cru!
>i just posted this cuz i've got 'cabin fever' and i've got nothing
>better to do :P~~~~~~~* kinda like the reason why i came up with a
>less bandwidth wasting sig for blitz, which kinda looks like this...


For the record, Steven,  I am not part of the Collective Cru but I do help
and support from time to time. I put the e-flier on the list. Heaven forbid
there be any mistakes on that but ANYWAY maybe you should have posted a
little bit more constructive instead of destructive criticism. I hate
getting in between you and Mr. Walter. I'm not a speaker for the scene and
never will be but I don't this is thing we don't want to see. It would be
nice if you guys resolved whatever it is.... And on that note..

I'm ------> o-u-t,
Des


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there's nothing to be seen here, please delete at once.

:)


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I think this list needs to laugh a little, been way to serious lately :)

>Subject: Funnies (fwd)
>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:53:49 CST
>From: Clark F Ford <cfford@iastate.edu>
>
>The following was received from Tina in the New Age Club.  I'm just passing
>it along! (it gave me a pretty good laugh -hope it does the same for you)
>
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>
>>>
>>>     Believe it or not, the following announcements actually appeared in
>>>     various church bulletins.
>>>
>>>     1. Don't let worry kill you -- let the church help.
>>>
>>>     2. Thursday night - Potluck supper.  Prayer and meditation to follow.
>>>
>>>     3. Remember in prayer the many who are sick of our church and
>>>     community.
>>>
>>>     4. For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a
>>>     nursery downstairs.
>>>
>>>     5. The rosebud on the altar this morning is to announce the birth of
>>>     David Alan Belzer, the sin of Rev. and Mrs. Julius Belzer.
>>>
>>>     6. This afternoon there will be a meeting in the South and North ends
>>>     of the church.  Children will be baptized at both ends.
>>>
>>>     7. Tuesday at 4:00 PM there will be an ice cream social.  All ladies
>>>     giving milk will please come early.
>>>
>>>     8. Wednesday the ladies liturgy will meet.  Mrs. Johnson will sing
>>>     "Put me in my little bed" accompanied by the pastor.
>>>
>>>     9. Thursday at 5.00 PM there will be a meeting of the Little Mothers
>>>     Club.
>>>
>>>     All ladies wishing to be "Little Mothers" will meet with the pastor in
>>>     his study.
>>>
>>>     10. This being Easter Sunday, we will ask Mrs. Lewis to come forward
>>>     and lay an egg on the altar.
>>>
>>>     11. The service will close with "Little Drops of Water." One of the
>>>     ladies will start quietly and the rest of the congregation will join
>>>in.
>>>
>>>     12. Next Sunday a special collection will be taken to defray the cost
>>>     of the new carpet.  All those wishing to do something on the new
carpet
>>>     will come forward and do so.
>>>
>>>     13. The ladies of the church have cast off clothing of every kind.
>>>     They can be seen in the church basement Saturday.
>>>
>>>     14. A bean supper will be held on Tuesday evening in the church hall.
>>>     Music  will follow.
>>>
>>>     15. At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be "What is
>>>     Hell?"  Come early and listen to our choir practice.
>>
>>
>
>

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>>pee.ass. i luv walt, desmond, melissa, and the whole collective cru!
>>i just posted this cuz i've got 'cabin fever' and i've got nothing
>>better to do :P~~~~~~~* kinda like the reason why i came up with a
>>less bandwidth wasting sig for blitz, which kinda looks like this...
>
>
>For the record, Steven,  I am not part of the Collective Cru but I do help
>and support from time to time. I put the e-flier on the list. Heaven forbid
>there be any mistakes on that but ANYWAY maybe you should have posted a
>little bit more constructive instead of destructive criticism. I hate
>getting in between you and Mr. Walter. I'm not a speaker for the scene and
>never will be but I don't this is thing we don't want to see. It would be
>nice if you guys resolved whatever it is.... And on that note..

Sorry for typo: Should have read: " I'm not a speaker for the scene and
never will be but I don't think this is the thing we want to see."

But I knew all of you understood.

In & out again,
Des

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Ok, i have some update on some parties for Feb. 1st.  These are coming from
very reliable sources.

Unified:  Derrick May will not be there.  Juan Atkins is iffy at this time.
This is from people involved in the party.

But detroit don't worry, because that same night we have a party of our own.
Yes, Plastikman will be having another party.  All i know at this time is that
DJ Hell will be there too.  I heard a rumor a while ago that another really
special guest will be there but i'm not going to start any rumors on that one.

anyways this is the info i have.  If anyone else wants to add anything feel
free.  I believe this to be very solid since it came from people directly
involved in the parties in one matter or another.  Keep looking at
www.plus8.com for further updates i would suggest.  Hopefully this will be back
in the old way of his party since he has had since october to plan this one.

--
joff
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
-- Albert Einstein


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan 21 09:13:59 1997
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Does anyone know about a rave going on in Minneapolis on
February 8?  One of my friends heard something about it and was not
sure, so I figured that someone would have a little information on it?

Thanks,

Lisa  CrazyGrrl

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> >Doormouse6 (?)
> (where are Doormouses 1-5? -j.)
hmm i think that should be "Doormice." :] by the way, here's a funny
joke:

> A New Twist on Fag Jokes.... 
(i.e. not a fag joke, more of an anti fag-joke joke.)
>
> Three guys are golfing. They ask each other how the families are
> doing. One guy has to go take a leak. While he's gone the other two 
> begin to talk about their sons. First guy says, "My son's doing so
> well as a real estate agent that he not only bought himself a new 
> house, he bought one of his friends a house!" The second guy says, 
> "My son's doing really well too. He's so successful as a car
> salesman that he not only bought himself a new Mercedes, he bought 
> his friend a Mercedes."
> The third guy is coming back to the course. The first two guys look
n nervous. "Oh man, I'm afraid to ask about his son -- I hear he's a
> fag," 
(the son)
> says the first one. But the third guy comes in and asks what they've
> been talking about. Umm, our sons," says the second guy. "How's your
> son doing? "Oh, fine," says the third guy. "As you know, he's gay. 
> But he must be doing something right. One boyfriend bought him a
h house and the other bought him a Mercedes."
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Marc and I _WILL_ be there... Oh yeah, and we can make it an early
celebration party for two reasons... Marc attains his permanent resident
status on March 14th, AND my 21st birthday is on the 30th! =)


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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Satya Chheda wrote:

> 
> WOW!
> 
> that partys line up makes my heart *almost* stop!
> 
> all those jungle djs!!!!!!!
> 
> anyone know how far louisville is from chicago? 
> 
> -satya
> 


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We know this sign well, OH YES, we know it well.  :)

>hehe, the other day my sister and I (Andrea W. :) were driving up to our
>mom's house when we saw this
>funky billboard put up by Coca-Cola.  It was a license plate with the
>following for the plate info:
>R U ON E?
>and then in tiny letters at the bottom it says "Refuel with coca-cola"   :)
>the license plate part was
>the most noticible :)
>

I have one of these (not billboard-size, but window-sized) signs right now.
We picked it up on the way to Prophecy last year.  :)  Someone else who I
was with has one too...I'm not sure who, though.  And we carried the "R U
ON E?" Part with us to DREAM, and it goes with me in my car no matter where
I am.  *Muahahahahahahaha*

>and then, about 1 minute later, as we round the corner, I see this van and
>spraypainted on the side is:
>"DMT LIVES!"   :)
>

MAYBE IT WAS J-SUN'S VAN!!!  (The ET van...*heh*)

Always,
Erinaceous
A veces lloro sin querer.
;-}

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On those same lines, two times I've driven by a certain Methodist Church in
Iowa, and it has the most keen signs in the world...

"The King Lives, and We Don't Mean Elvis."

"Cults Destroy...Say No to Unsafe Sects."

*tee hee*


Always,
Erinaceous
A veces lloro sin querer.
;-}

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> posting up a quick one on a friend's account.  I was recently put out of
> business by my shiftless and insignificant ex-partner at WPCM.  I am

I'm sorry to hear that...  WPCM has done some of the nicest flyers around.

> dumbshit.   I didn't just say hello so that I could bitch.  I've seen
> all of my old friends out and about.  kurt from DBN, Frankie, Roy, Wade
> and all of the rest of the old schoolers that really started it all. 
> You can say what the fuck you like.  None of you can even attempt at
> pulling off the gigs that these guys have done.  

Don't even start with that shit.  Sure, Kurt and the others have thrown
some amazing parties, but they don't have MYSTICAL POWERS or anything.  I
don't know if you're trying to say we're a bunch of net.losers and that's
the reason we can't pull off parties like that, or if you're saying that
NOBODY can pull parties like that unless they happen to be the
aforementioned four people.  And I really don't give a shit either.
Because however you meant it, you're wrong.  I can name several people
_on_this_list_ who have thrown parties which were either as good or as big
as anything you mentioned.  Tim from evolution productions, for example.
Teknosaurus 3. There are plenty of people out there who can "attempt at
pulling off the gigs" and succeed.  We don't need your holier-than-thou
oldskool bullshit. Somebody could come along tomorrow who you've never
heard of and start throwing bomb parties.  It's not about how long you've
been in the scene, it's about how much you care. 

> dj's.  I hope that I can still receive some of the love and fulfillment
> that I used to out of throwing parties.  But maybe I will piss too many
> people off by speaking my mind and screw up the chance of this happening
> anymore in the future.  Oh well, my GOD has blessed me with many many

you didn't screw anything up in my mind.  opinions are opinions. so what.
I'm not going to stop coming to your parties because I disagree with you
on some petty things. From what I've heard, beneathe the emerald city was
one of the best chicago parties of the year.  So yeah, i'm gonna try to
make it to your next party, regardless of what you said here on the list.

take it easy,

chrisE!

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> Evolution and Maxximum present
> RENEGADES
> Sat March 8th, 1997
> Louisville, KY
> Peshay 
> Ellis Dee 

*choke*  aack!  how the hell am I going to get my ass to louisville?!?

i must be at this party!

chrisE!


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At 03:14 AM 1/21/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>WOW!
>
>that partys line up makes my heart *almost* stop!
>
>all those jungle djs!!!!!!!
>
>anyone know how far louisville is from chicago? 

fresh off of http:\\www.mapquest.com\
(the traveling raver's most valuable net resource)

To:Louisville, KY 
Beginning at Chicago, IL
Go South on I-90 for 15.5 miles (Portions toll) to Indiana
Go East on I-90 for 17.0 miles (Portions toll) to I-65
Go Southeast on I-65 for 140.3 miles to I-465
Go South on I-465 for 18.9 miles to I-65
Go South on I-65 for 104.7 miles to US 31
Go Southwest on US 31 for 0.5 miles to Kentucky
Go South on US 31 for 1.6 miles 
To Louisville, KY

Distance: 298.5 miles

your bud,
matter


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At 12:31 PM 1/21/97 -0600, chrisE! wrote:
>> You can say what the fuck you like.  None of you can even attempt at
>> pulling off the gigs that these guys have done.  
>Charles Little exclaimed:
>Don't even start with that shit.  Sure, Kurt and the others have thrown
>some amazing parties, but they don't have MYSTICAL POWERS or anything.  I
>don't know if you're trying to say we're a bunch of net.losers and that's
>the reason we can't pull off parties like that, or if you're saying that
>NOBODY can pull parties like that unless they happen to be the
>aforementioned four people.  And I really don't give a shit either.
>Because however you meant it, you're wrong.  I can name several people
>_on_this_list_ who have thrown parties which were either as good or as big
>as anything you mentioned.  Tim from evolution productions, for example.
>Teknosaurus 3. There are plenty of people out there who can "attempt at
>pulling off the gigs" and succeed.  We don't need your holier-than-thou
>oldskool bullshit. Somebody could come along tomorrow who you've never
>heard of and start throwing bomb parties.  It's not about how long you've
>been in the scene, it's about how much you care. 

Yeah! Like my parties! ;) Sure, I only had like 30 people or so, but my
parties are the shit and none of you other jokers know jack about having a
good time! At my parties (which have always been free), you get DJs, live
jamming, drum circles, crash space, videos, fractals, incense, candles,
smiles, hugs, water/drinks, food and alla that in the friendly and cozey
confines of my very own house. So, until you suckas get 2000 people
whooping it up in your basement, you ain't shit.

net.loser/posing as Some Big Time Promoter/exercising his mystical powers,
 matter

P.S. Yeah and monkeys are gonna fly outta my butt. ;)


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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, matter wrote:

> At 03:14 AM 1/21/97 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >WOW!
> >
> >that partys line up makes my heart *almost* stop!
> >
> >all those jungle djs!!!!!!!
> >
> >anyone know how far louisville is from chicago? 
> 
> fresh off of http:\\www.mapquest.com\
> (the traveling raver's most valuable net resource)
> 
> To:Louisville, KY 
> Beginning at Chicago, IL
> Go South on I-90 for 15.5 miles (Portions toll) to Indiana
> Go East on I-90 for 17.0 miles (Portions toll) to I-65
> Go Southeast on I-65 for 140.3 miles to I-465
> Go South on I-465 for 18.9 miles to I-65
> Go South on I-65 for 104.7 miles to US 31
> Go Southwest on US 31 for 0.5 miles to Kentucky
> Go South on US 31 for 1.6 miles 
> To Louisville, KY
> 
> Distance: 298.5 miles
> 

Or you could take the much easier route of -
I94 east from the loop - no toll - 15 miles
I65 south ~265 miles -
you are in louisville 280 miles later

tim



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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Lisa wrote:

> Does anyone know about a rave going on in Minneapolis on
> February 8?  One of my friends heard something about it and was not
> sure, so I figured that someone would have a little information on it?
> 

i believe you are speaking of the JVC's event with SHY FX and WILDCHILD 
along with the rest of the JVC regulars...madkid, polter, erm mc brace etc.

i'll forward the info in a bit... i have an e-flyer around here 
somewhere, courtesy of mister chrisE.;)

cheers,
dylan 

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er ok...i thoguht it was wildchild instead of skibadee...but i guess not. 
anyway heres the info. i think it's a little presumptious of the JVC to 
ask 13-15$ for this party but oh well, it's SHY FX...

cheers,
dylan

*begin info*

February 8th, 1997
Inside the RIde
*Tuff E Nuff tour UK*

Shy FX            MC Skibadee
Sour Records UK   Flows Nonstop*Tuff Enuff UK

Madkid              Polter               Para
Drum&Bass          Technical        Let It Be
Trigger Finger      Stepper           Records

DJ Capsule

MC Brace & MC Bumpyscrew

tickets are $13 advance, $15 day of show
tickets sold at Cynesthesia- 612.824-7126 

Main Info: 612.257-7058

Special afterhours courtesy of Loveglow communications featuring DJ Speedy
and JJ Vaas plus others. call 612.204-4039 for info.

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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, ricochet wrote:

> i believe you are speaking of the JVC's event with SHY FX and WILDCHILD 
> along with the rest of the JVC regulars...madkid, polter, erm mc brace etc.

actually, wildchild was dropped from the final flyer, for whatever
reason...

still, I'll be there to see shy FX unless it's in the loft... no way i'm
gonna pay $13+ for a loft party.

oh yeah, if you want info, call (612)257-7058

chrisE!

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speaking of funny signs, there's several of these signs on the west
side of thieveland/the-land-of-cleve/cleveland :] that say
"TRUCKS THIS WAY TO LAKE ERIE SCREW". 
i'm guessing that's ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ a factory or something (screw 
factory? haha) i tried taking a picture of one a few days ago but 
since i was driving a car at the time & tried to take the picture 
thru the windshield (NOT recommended--highly dangerous!) i might not
have gotten it. i should have stopped & gotten out of the car instead.
 
and speaking of pictures, some pictures i took & had promised to send 
copies of to the people in them--who might be on this list--didn't
turn out, but these others i'm sure will. so if i've taken your
picture at a party i might need to take another one. and if i haven't
taken one yet, let me know & i can (i love to have pictures of
everybody!). 

on an unrelated note, nancy, mary from cleveland says hi, & i say hi 
too! =] =] and jeff are you on this list? i don't have your e-mail
address for some reason. mary said you + her + some other people went
to nyc, let me know when you go next, i REALLY want to go! i'll dance
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desmond sed:
=================================================================
For the record, Steven,  I am not part of the Collective Cru but I do help
and support from time to time. I put the e-flier on the list. Heaven forbid
there be any mistakes on that but ANYWAY maybe you should have posted a
little bit more constructive instead of destructive criticism. I hate
getting in between you and Mr. Walter. I'm not a speaker for the scene and
never will be but I don't this is thing we don't want to see. It would be
nice if you guys resolved whatever it is.... And on that note..
=================================================================

huh? resolved what matter? walt & i have always been buds (he wuz part
of the orginal plrm cru when we used to roadtrip everywhere from 
baltimore to philly to toronto, plrm wuz the inspiration for his
'zine fales, i'm happy he's doing his own thing now). i wouldn't be
picking on his flyer if i didn't think we were still buds. i'm sure
he already knows that the cabin fever flyer isn't the most spectacular
flyer, but he's on a limited budget cuz he's in it for the scene and
not the money. i wuz just joking around like i alwaze do. unfortunately
the internet is deficient in alwaze transmitting the correct humor level
all the time. that's why us pranksters awaze try to stick a :) or a =]
or a :P in there somewhere.

keep on keepin on...

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> speaking of funny signs, there's several of these signs on the west
> side of thieveland/the-land-of-cleve/cleveland :] that say

my favorite sign would be the one just outside of milwaukee(?) that says:

BONG RECREATION AREA

i haven't been there yet... someday.

chrisE!

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u sed:
=================================================================
factory? haha) i tried taking a picture of one a few days ago but 
since i was driving a car at the time & tried to take the picture 
thru the windshield (NOT recommended--highly dangerous!) i might not
have gotten it. i should have stopped & gotten out of the car instead.
================================================================= 

the secret to taking pics thru car windows is place the camera 
right up to the glass and snap it (this is how i wuz able to 
snap all these pics of the grafitti near LA when christa & i
took a train from san diego to fresno this past break). this
way the auto focus will travel thru the glass as opposed to
focusing on the car window itself and taking blurry unfocused
pics that u usually get when u take pics in a car. some cameras
even have a special feature that allows u to take pics thru
windows tho, in which case u could just select that & snap away
w/o having to hold yur camera right next to the window.     

btw i think the party u were talking about in nyc that jeff 
went to w/ mary wuz LIBERTY, but i'll let jeff talk to u about
that himself since he's on this list.

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> the secret to taking pics thru car windows is place the camera 
> right up to the glass and snap it (this is how i wuz able to 
> snap all these pics of the grafitti near LA when christa & i
> took a train from san diego to fresno this past break). this
> way the auto focus will travel thru the glass as opposed to
> focusing on the car window itself and taking blurry unfocused
> pics that u usually get when u take pics in a car. some cameras
> even have a special feature that allows u to take pics thru
> windows tho, in which case u could just select that & snap away
> w/o having to hold yur camera right next to the window.     

good idea, thanks for the tip, although my camera is disposable &
doesn't have any kind of focus :[ i'm kind of poor. plus i'm very
forgetful + clumsy + a little destructive, so it's kind of a good
thing to have a disposable camera, since it's less to get lost or
broken. i'll try to remember that idea though when i get a better 
camera someday.
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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> speaking of funny signs, there's several of these signs on the west
> side of thieveland/the-land-of-cleve/cleveland :] that say
> "TRUCKS THIS WAY TO LAKE ERIE SCREW". 
> i'm guessing that's ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ a factory or something (screw 
> factory? haha) i tried taking a picture of one a few days ago but 
> since i was driving a car at the time & tried to take the picture 
> thru the windshield (NOT recommended--highly dangerous!) i might not
> have gotten it. i should have stopped & gotten out of the car instead.
>  
A good sign I've seen is driving from Nashville to Knoxville and
i saw a sign for a town that said:
Welcome to AlGood!

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com
it's all good :) ehehhehe


> and speaking of pictures, some pictures i took & had promised to send 
> copies of to the people in them--who might be on this list--didn't
> turn out, but these others i'm sure will. so if i've taken your
> picture at a party i might need to take another one. and if i haven't
> taken one yet, let me know & i can (i love to have pictures of
> everybody!). 
> 
> on an unrelated note, nancy, mary from cleveland says hi, & i say hi 
> too! =] =] and jeff are you on this list? i don't have your e-mail
> address for some reason. mary said you + her + some other people went
> to nyc, let me know when you go next, i REALLY want to go! i'll dance
> & sing with you guys down broadway! (i heard all the stories :] )
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> *    *   *  * *gbaxstro@phoenix.kent.edu* *  *   *    *
> 


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attention househeads and all who enjoy the music

coming to St. Louis, Missouri on March 15, 1997

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there's a sign in my hometown that reads:

WE BUY CLEAN DIRT




milkshake

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I saw a sign at a church here in Cincy that says:
"Noon mass, 12:30"

I thought that was pretty funny :)

CUL8R
Weasel

-- 
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http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3326/

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Lots of talk about this on sfraves (pleez, excuse the cross-post) thought
some of you might be interested. :)

>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:48:02 -0800 (PST)
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>Subject:	World Meditation Day
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>Dear Friends,
>
>While there have been many announcements floating around
>the internet about World Meditation Day, this one stands out
>to me for its clarity in explaining why and how each of us
>might want to participate in our own way.-Kurt Wright
>-----------------------------------------
>
>World Meditation Day
>Thursday, January 23rd, 1997
>Between 12:00 and 1:30 Local Time
>Dr. John Miles Evans
>JohnMEvans@aol.com
>11 January 1997
>
>On 23 January 1997 a group of eight planets will form a variant of an 
>unusual pattern-a six-pointed star.  Sometimes known as a Grand 
>Sextile or Star of David, this pattern is an integration of various 
>diverse energies into a harmonious whole.
>This variant is the more unusual in that it is actually a five-pointed 
>star, but aligned so that the Ascendent-the point on the horizon -- 
> makes the sixth "point".  As a result, meditation or other 
>intentional activity at this time may serve to trigger the latent 
>energies in the overall planetary pattern -- completing the circuit, 
>as it were, through the efforts we make at this time.
>The exact time when this occurs varies with locality.  For most 
>locations in the northern hemisphere the time is between 12 noon and 
>1:00 pm, but there are some locations where the time may be as late as 
>1:30 pm; Miami, Florida is one such location.(1)
>For those who are not students of astrology, a brief introduction may 
>be appropriate.
>One can understand any pattern of the planets as a symbolic 
>representation describing the nature and qualities of a particular 
>moment of time-operating through the principle CG Jung termed 
>"synchronicity."(2)
>While written language is linear-one word following another-the 
>"language" of astrology is a complex pattern, which cannot be 
>adequately translated into a linear form.  But some sense of the 
>meaning of this pattern may be gleaned through studying the individual 
>planets involved, and their location by "sign" and "house" (two 
>indicators of qualities expressed by planets in the pattern).
>In the planetary pattern for World Meditation Day, the Sun, Jupiter, 
>and Uranus are all "conjunct" (together) at the beginning of Aquarius, 
>in the Ninth House, along with Neptune in late Capricorn in the Ninth 
>House.  These planets are harmoniously related to Saturn in Aries in 
>the 11th, Pluto in Sagittarius in the 7th, and Mars in Libra conjunct 
>the North Node in the 5th House.  The fifth "point" is the Moon in Leo 
>in the 3rd House.
>Aquarius is the sign most connected with humanity as a whole, and is 
>particularly activated by group efforts.  That three 
>planets-representing Being and Identity (Sun), Expansion and Wisdom 
>(Jupiter), and Sudden Awakening (Uranus) -- are all concentrated in 
>Aquarius is quite significant.
>Mars, the planet of activity, conjuncting the North Node of the Moon, 
>an indicator of spiritual integration and development, in the 5th 
>house, that of creativity and personal expression, indicates that 
>those who take action to participate in the pattern may further their 
>own spiritual awareness.
>Pluto, the planet of purification and regeneration, is located in 
>Sagittarius in the 7th House, symbolizing a transformation of our 
>belief systems through forming committed relationship with those 
>aspects of ourselves which we may have ignored or taken for granted 
>previously.  In this case "ourselves" may represent our common 
>humanity, and the need to understand all human beings as being equally 
>valuable and important.
>The Moon, located in Leo in the 3rd house is opposing the planets in 
>Aquarius.  This gives added dynamic tension to the overall pattern. 
> The Moon is symbolic of our deepest feelings, Leo has a great deal to 
>do with our sense of identity, and the Third House is the area of 
>mental concepts.  This implies that there may be a tendency to oppose 
>the movement toward a broader understanding and a new orientation 
>toward ourselves because of our emotional attachment to old ideas 
>about life, and old beliefs about our sense of who we are.
>Neptune, located in the Ninth House in Capricorn, indicates the 
>possibility of dissolving old belief systems to make way for the new. 
> This idea is presented in different ways in several areas of the 
>overall "chart" for the day.
>The sixth "point" is the Ascendent in early Gemini.  Gemini is 
>strongly associated with the conscious mind.  By actively engaging in 
>meditation or other focused mental activity at this particular time, 
>one has the opportunity both to expand one's own awareness, and also 
>to further the expansion of humanity as a whole-breaking down the 
>barriers separating each of us as individuals, and becoming 
>participants in a type of "world mind", in which we recognize our 
>common humanity as the most important component.
>This is emphasized by the presence of Saturn, the planet symbolizing 
>traditional structure and limits, in Aries, the sign of new beginnings 
>(where Saturn's power is weakest) and in the 11th or (Aquarian) House 
>where that structure which can be developed is focused on the birth of 
>a "group mind".
>Finally, Mercury, the planet most associated with Gemini, is in 
>Capricorn in the 8th House, indicated the possibility of purification 
>and transformation of our conceptual picture of life through focused 
>effort, with the need to let go of old emotional ties to past concepts 
>about how life is.
>Astrologers will see much more in this pattern than presented here. 
> But for those who are not astrologers, I hope this overview will give 
>you some sense of the significance of this opportunity for both 
>individual and group development, and the importance of taking time on 
>23 January between 12 noon and 1:00 pm to participate quietly in this 
>important event-in whatever way seems best to you.
>One last point-"intent" is all important with this pattern.  For those 
>who wish to make maximum use of this unusual opportunity, a period of 
>preparation in which you look at your own deepest beliefs and desires 
>for change may be useful.  And practice meditations, in which you work 
>on focusing your intent for what you wish to achieve on 23 January, 
>may also be helpful.
>My blessings to you in however you choose to participate.
>Footnotes
>(1)	For those who would like the exact time for your location, consult 
>a local astrologer and ask for the time when the Ascendant is at 4-5 
>degrees Gemini on 23 January, 1997.
>(2)	Jung, CG.  "Synchronicity, an Acausal Connecting Principle".
>In Collected Works, Vol. 8:  Structure and Dynamics of the Psyche.
>
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apologies for the cross-post... some of you may be following this... this
is an e-mail from a lawyer who has volunteered to represent DJ Lycos if a
suit with Lycos, Inc. takes place... very rad! ;)

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>To: "Niels P. Mayer" <mayer@netcom.com>, sfraves@hyperreal.com,
>        mdr@hutch.pn.com
>From: sddpw@sirius.com (Shimako-Dominguez Department of Public Works)
>Subject: SubCommander Lycos
>Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com
>
>I am an attorney in California and have been made aware of your threat of
>legal action against a DJ out here for using the name Lycos.
>
>I was made aware of this threat by an e-mail from Niels P. Mayer, who, in
>my opinion, though dramatic, was extremely perceptive in his analysis of
>the situation.  I have worked for various corporations out here in
>California and understand the concept of doing what is best for your
>client, even though that may be unpopular in the eyes of most people.
>However, when you take the letter of the law to the ludicrous level that
>you have, you are not only doing a disservice to our profession, you are
>doing potential harm to your client.  Stopping true trademark infringement
>is serious business.  Suing "mom and pop" operations who were using your
>corporation's name before the corporation existed is purely evil.  You are
>using your money and power to hurt someone who is doing no harm to you.  It
>can only backfire in the end.
>
>You have decided to attack a community that has a lot of power.  These may
>seem like "crazy kids" to the unkowing, but this is a tight community,
>heavily involved in the entertainment and media industries, with lots of
>energy and many connections.  I, for one, would not hesitate to provide pro
>bono legal assistance to one SubCommander Lycos should he become embroiled
>in a patently unnecessary legal action.
>
>The law should be used to help, Mr. Robins, not to hurt.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Robert A. Kahn, Attorney at Law

/* plur */
  matter


Our differences simply help us to realize our similarites...

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Just to add my two cents on this thread....there is a place near Cincinatti
called Big Bone Lick...it's a state park.  And on the way there there is a
trading post called Beaver Lick Trading Post.  For any non-believers, I have
pictures.

Your humble narrator,
    
       0/
     <:     Whinin' Koogle (aka  Koog)      
      / >      


Jerry:  You're insane.
Kramer *screaming*:  Am I?  Or am I just so sane that it blew your mind!?

I love urban decay, it's just so fascinating!  -Jon Von.

You need to turn up the bass until I can feel my internal organs vibrating
so much that they explode!  -Erin at the SP laser light show

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>Just to add my two cents on this thread....there is a place near Cincinatti
>called Big Bone Lick...it's a state park.  And on the way there there is a
>trading post called Beaver Lick Trading Post.  For any non-believers, I have
>pictures.
>

yeah yeah...she's for real.  Is it still in KY or is it in OH?




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3D Concept Entertainment presents...

A p p l e   J a c k

Friday February 28th, 1997
Appleton, Wisconsin

Donald Glaude...Seattle
Paul Johnson....Chicago
Dave Trance.....New York
Nosmo...........Seattle
Karma One.......Milwaukee

Special set on four turntables:
Discount and Stylee......Funky House Trixstars

Main Info line: 414-730-6157 or 414-880-3373
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Carbon Based Productions presents:

Quarter Barrel of Bass

February 7th, Fox Valley

Live: Acidcraft and Purpose
DJs:  Tim Krochalk, Jeffree Dee, D-Zak, Oryan, Wickett, D-On
Sound: Drop Bass Network
Tickets $10 or $5 with a canned food donation
Root Beer: 50 cents all night
bring your quarters

CBP: 414-233-7603 mailbox #6666



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psybertrip productionz presents...
 
E Z A M

March 22, Milwaukee

Dzak
Karma One
Dj Slip
NRSHA (Live)
Chris Sattinger
Kee
Adam X
Thee-O

414-777-3933



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hi everyone!  just thought that w/ all of this flyer talk, i'd include some of my favorites (and i know my 
brother jeff w. loves them too;). anyway, here they are in no particular order...

stayin alive (4/27/96)- i love all that disco stuff, so it's no wonder that i'd love this flyer too :)


Back 2 Basics(4/12/96- in my opinion, sesamee street is a VERY cool show, so the idea of putting the 
characters in a band on a flyer was a GREAT idea =)


Boom!(5/10/96)- all of the kerropi characters dancing around gives this flyer a really happy feeling.  to bad 
i couldn't go to the party :(


Monkee Madness (i have no clue when:)- this is a plain black and white flyer, but there is this very cute 
picture of a monkey sitting down and playing the symbols (?).  i love it!

well, there's my idea of the best fliers.  sorry if i'm a little late, but i haven't been able to check my 
email for a while.  by the way, 4 anyone that cares, i changed my address from kikoman@juno.com to 
sillycybin@bigfoot.com.  :)



					=)andrea

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Adding a small comment, below... (keeping good relative info for those who
delete everything) :D

>Lots of talk about this on sfraves (pleez, excuse the cross-post) thought
>some of you might be interested. :)
>
>>World Meditation Day
>>Thursday, January 23rd, 1997
>>Between 12:00 and 1:30 Local Time
>>Dr. John Miles Evans
>>JohnMEvans@aol.com
>>11 January 1997
...
>> But for those who are not astrologers, I hope this overview will give 
>>you some sense of the significance of this opportunity for both 
>>individual and group development, and the importance of taking time on 
>>23 January between 12 noon and 1:00 pm to participate quietly in this 
>>important event-in whatever way seems best to you.
>>One last point-"intent" is all important with this pattern.  For those 
>>who wish to make maximum use of this unusual opportunity, a period of 
>>preparation in which you look at your own deepest beliefs and desires 
>>for change may be useful.  And practice meditations, in which you work 
>>on focusing your intent for what you wish to achieve on 23 January, 
>>may also be helpful.

Although, I strongly disagree with this "concept" of meditation, I will
attempt to be gentile expressing my opinion here... :)

Some of you who are unfamiliar with meditation techniques may want to
experiment with different ones before the alignment... I practice a
technique known as tan tien meditation: simply sit with your butt on your
heels, toes flat on the floor (keeping your back straight) and relax,
breathing deeply through your nose and into your abdomen. you visualize the
energy in your breath flowing through your body, around your head, down
your back and back up the front of your body and out your mouth. this all
happens while breathing. This energy also flows all throughout your body in
a very specific pattern. you focus your energy on a point 3 inches below
your belly button and 3 inches inside of your body, which is your tan tien.
you visualize it as a green (the color of life) sphere, radiating limitless
energy and light... if you concentrate on the tan tien (and ignore any
distractions) you will achieve "one thought". after practicing for a long
while, you may achieve "no thought", where you truly become one with all
that exists. I haven't reached that point, myself, but sometimes I feel
like I have... ;)

I mention this because, I believe that trying to "get something" from
meditation (purposefully) simply will not work. The point of meditation,
IMO, is to unify with all which exists... the universe will have an
oppurtunity to tell you what to do, as your most sublime and "important"
dreams will be communicated to everything that is.

>>(1)	For those who would like the exact time for your location, consult 
>>a local astrologer and ask for the time when the Ascendant is at 4-5 
>>degrees Gemini on 23 January, 1997.
>>(2)	Jung, CG.  "Synchronicity, an Acausal Connecting Principle".
>>In Collected Works, Vol. 8:  Structure and Dynamics of the Psyche.

matter


it's awl good -> it's ag -> it's SILVER! :)

arduous nucelus / upcoming show dates (blatant self-advertisement)

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>Just to add my two cents on this thread....there is a place near Cincinatti
>called Big Bone Lick...it's a state park.  And on the way there there is a
>trading post called Beaver Lick Trading Post.  For any non-believers, I have
>pictures.
>

yeah yeah...she's for real.  Is it still in KY or is it in OH?

Yeah, it's still in KY, I think it's kinda near Florence.



Your humble narrator,
    
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      / >      


Jerry:  You're insane.
Kramer *screaming*:  Am I?  Or am I just so sane that it blew your mind!?

I love urban decay, it's just so fascinating!  -Jon Von.

You need to turn up the bass until I can feel my internal organs vibrating
so much that they explode!  -Erin at the SP laser light show.

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           {Further.Exploitations.of.Audible.Electronic.Media}

                       Thursday, February 13 1997
                        8:00pm - $6.00 - 18+ Show
                         First Avenue (Main Room)

                    FUTURE PERFECT IN ABSTRAKT XPRSION

                                Featuring:
 
                                   Dj Drone
                                   Chris Sattinger
                                   JT
                                  {and}
                                   Rod Smith
 
                            Live Appearances By: 

                                   Blue Shift
                                  {and}
                                   Mindphaseone                     


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OTHER SIGHTINGS:                                            ------------    
Blue Shift @ 7th St. Entry - Wed, Feb 5 1997; $5.00; Doors 8pm; 21+ Show
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hi all!

On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 Starbaby98@AOL.COM pondered:

> what is everyones views about DJ Lars
> 

yes i realise that this subject is 
basically dead and didn't really
have much vector, but if anyone wants
to know i just got a flyer [its small,
too, but it folds out to be long, 
so im not sure where this party fits
in rave ethics, it's also has colors but
isn't 'colorful' per se, and there are
people on it, so if the flier experts out 
there have n.ething to say about it.. ;)]
for a party in Urbana in late February and i'm 
pretty sure Lars was on it (i cant
find the flyer right now, so i cant say
for sure)- its called Luscious and 
that's all I know. so we can go judge
Lars there for ourselves. if n.eone's 
REALLY curious about it, i guess i could
post info later, but i'll rather
wait for the promoters to motivate 
themselves.   

dan (:


blablablablablabla


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before you start ripping on other peoples low-budget fliers, try throwing your 
own party, and then we'll all see how much money YOU  invest in fliers and 
what they look like.      

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Okay,
  We got some kewl designs and responses from like, well, not quite a bunch
of people. :( So, PLEEZ, if u r interested in getting your very own
mw-raves laminate to help you in meeting others offa da list (I KNOW I AM),
reply back to me (private) and tell me what "name" you want on it and I
will try to coordinate alla this. If u can www browse, check my site and
get an opinion on which one(s) you like and any ideas on combining them (?)
or whatever. I guess that if a number of responses don't come within a few
weeks, then we should just print up our own designs and tack them on our
foreheads so we can find each other. We'll make a new list called the
mw-raves-laminates list and we'll ONLY talk about laminates, else the
e-mail will hafta be titled "NMWRLR:". ;)

*love*

matter


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right said ed:
>throughout the midwest, there are dozens of people throwing parties and
>thousands of people attending these parties, yet virtually no one seems to
>be taking any real chances with the formula.

There you go again, laying the cards right on the table, bringing the heart
of a matter into the light for everybody to see.  You're great at that.
Combine that with your big heart, and hoooo boy... you're a blessing, ed!
/S  ;)

I would be most interested in hearing what kind of "chances with the
formula" you are speaking of, be they seedling ideas or things you have
actually accomplished (or tried to accomplish) in the past.  Sharing rocks.
:)

Logically speaking (yes I do think logically upon occasion) ;), if people
are to start taking chances, then those who are _willing_ to do it need to
speak their minds freely and share/seed the ideas into the minds of the
peanut gallery.  Then those who are in resonance with the ideas being
suggested will hopefully be moved to say "hey, y'know, you're right...
let's put our heads together and see what we can come up with."  BUT, in
order for people to speak their minds, they need to feel *comfortable*
enough to share... and as a whole, I don't think we have been providing
enough of a comfort level (in the midwest) which is conducive to sharing.
There is much intolerance of differences and that doesn't lead to sharing.


>unfortunately, i feel rather alone in my own effort to bring these events
>to a deeper level.

I'm gonna go out on a limb (as usual) ;) and say that I think your feeling
stems from within yourself, 'cuz you are certainly not alone in the effort
to access a deeper level.  Perhaps it's the definition of "deeper level"
that we're all a little foggy on and that prevents people from connecting.
Perhaps one person's "deeper level" sounds ridiculous to another person?
For curiosity's sake, how would you define "deeper level"?  Maybe that
would help us all to relate more.

For any person like you who wishes that some chances would be taken with
"the formula", it is my opinion that s/he has to respect _all_ people who
are doing whatever is within their power to take chances with the formula,
not just the ones who are in resonance with one's own tastes and desires,
otherwise they are dooming themselves to feel alone.  Did that make sense?
(Not sure.)  In other words, they need to appreciate all other people who
have that adventurous sense of going beyond the formula, even if the other
people's methods of going beyond the formula seem lame or fluffy or evil or
overly-happy or... hm, ed, our previous "hippyshit" interactions come to
mind. ;)  And I think when each individual adventurer awakens his or her
sense of respect and compassion with the paths of all others who are
adventurers, then we'll start to see a lot more appreciation -- that
elusive pat on the back -- flying around amongst all us adventurers... and
then neither of us will be complaining about feeling ALONE anymore, 'cuz I
can assure you I dislike that feeling, too; it gets old fast. Ya think? :)
Once that appreciation is established then we can all find resonance with
each other because there's that COMMON THREAD of adventurous spirit running
through us.  (So what I'm saying is, rather than point out and focus on the
differences, which pushes people farther apart, instead find that common
thread in order to make progress.)  Once we latch onto that common thread,
that leads to -- whoa -- *support*.  Once there's support, then we can act
as the midwives of creative new ideas, and from there, fresh ideas are
birthed, newer and better things are accomplished.  And if we can learn to
appreciate other people's ideas, then we might just learn things from them,
or if we're lucky we might actually teach them something and then a real
seed has been planted to make a difference.

Cuz see, here's the thing, through my perspective... there's only so much
an individual or single group can do in terms of taking chances with "the
formula", before it gets to the point where the different groups and
individuals -- the different pools of ideas/consciousness -- need to start
interacting with each other in order to come up with fresh ways to tweak
the formula.  We are spread out over a large geographic area here in the
midwest, and so to me it seems things have developed more tribally, with
different general flavors and leaders in different areas... so clearly, it
will not only take dedication to roam around to experience new flavors, but
it will also take tolerance of differences on everyone's behalf in order to
spark new creative ideas with the limited amount of adventurous energy
which exists here.  We are being challenged to make the best out of
whatever we've got here.

As an example, since you mentioned him, there's the Demon Puppet.  Some of
the work I've seen of his has absolutely disgusted me and made me want to
vomit... especially that fucked sex stuff I saw at the last few shows I've
been to.  (And I remember a film clip of someone throwing a baby out a
window... but he made up for that by showing Gene Simmons flickering his
tongue on that night, too, hehe!)  But despite my occasional personal
disgust with the visual content, I hold him in verrrry high respect because
I think he has a way of totally tearing up "the formula" with his work, and
I can totally appreciate his, uh, "Luciferian drive", to speak
metaphorically of the concept I'm thinking of. :)  (Not to mention I think
he's one of the most profound thinkers I've ever encountered!)  So it's
like... even though I don't personally enjoy the way the forumla's being
tweaked here, at least the formula is getting tweaked somehow, so a level
of respect for the adventurous spirit can be established... so instead of
mockery, there's support for mutual growth.

Here's what I'm saying about providing a comfort level for _all_ people who
are doing their best to share their ideas about breaking the 'rave formula'
-- over half the time when I see people try to share ideas to reach a
"deeper level", it's usually ideas which they feel and talk strongly about,
and then I watch as somebody *completely* misses the point of their
_sharing_ and calls them something nasty (like 'dogmatic' for instance),
thereby discouraging that person from ever sharing again.  Personally, I'm
quite used to dealing with name-calling, but after over a year of
contributing (?) to this mailing list, even I've developed a very big
reservation about the extent of my sharing my thoughts about how to reach a
"deeper level", and I feel like I haveta be all cautious and shit about
what I say, lest someone jump on my case and accuse me of trying to jam a
blow pop down their throats.  And it's really a shame we can't all share
more because if you haven't noticed, I care deeply about 'rave' (or
whatever one would label the phenomenon), just like you.

I put it to you that there are indeed plenty of people out there who are
taking chances with the formula... you just have to be willing to
acknowledge their existence even if it doesn't meet up to whatever
standards you have set for your own work.  And we all need to work harder
at creating a _comfortable_ atmosphere where those with new ideas will feel
free to speak up instead of keeping silent for fear of mockery.  (And I'm
gonna make a blanket generalization here and say it's been my observation
that we in the midwest just looooove to mock that which is different from
our own stubborn ways.)  With myself I've noticed that sometimes I tend to
get caught up so much in my own high visions that I'm failing to
acknowledge the extremely valuable and valid visions of others.  And that's
a real shame, because I think everybody with the adventurous
formula-breaking spirit has something to teach.

I should add, during my visit in California in December, I encountered
lotsa people who have been going waaaaaaaay beyond "the formula", I'm
talking *years* of *major* underground mutation from the formula.  One of
the underground parties I went to was incredible in this sense... totally
blasted through many perceived limits.  Sadly, people are so set in their
ways around here, a majority would dismiss those breakthroughs in the blink
of an eye just because it deals with a certain flavor or style that they
don't personally enjoy, and then they miss out on all the valuable things
they could learn from it.  But in any case, it goes to show what happens
once enough networking and tolerance of differences takes place so that
ideas can be excanged in an atmosphere where everybody is valued as an
important part of the whole.  The ability to see with differing
perspectives is necessary at this time... that's one of the biggest things
the rave 'scene' has taught me.  But I ramble as usual...

I don't think you've ever been alone ed... I think you've just been
listening for people who are singing exactly your song.  I do that
sometimes.  What I've come to accept is that since we apparently don't have
the concentration of adventurous spirit here in the
geographically-spread-out midwest, I have to not get so caught up in my own
visions so that I'm only listening for a certain song, but I must also
listen for anybody else who's even singing in the same key as me, whether
their song is happy or angry or whatever... just look for that same key,
and by singing with others in the same key the songs will at least fit
together a little bit... and just as with DJing, when songs are combined, a
new song emerges which is creative and is a mutation from the standard
"formula" of the original songs.


'nuff outta me!  ;>

   Peace & Groove,

        Randy       osiris7@photon.net
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         a d      * Ancient of Ear-to-Ear Smiles
        Randy     * Galactic Federation Techno-Assault Squad #7

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   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .

        "Okay, who stopped payment on my reality check?"


btw, I highly highly highly suggest people check out the geometrical
representation of what the planetary alignment on Thursday 1/23 looks
like... go to http://www.gaiamind.com/  and check out the 2nd picture on
the page.  Even people who don't understand astrology can see how amazing
this is... welcome to the Age of Aquarius... even the heavens cry for a
Cosmic Party!!



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>my favorite sign would be the one just outside of milwaukee(?) that says:
>
>BONG RECREATION AREA

in addition to this, there is a hwy E and a hwy K in the same area; as well
as a billboard that i can't quite remember with some sort of funny "e" or
"roll" reference.  there are also several references to cheese in the same
area.  as we all know, cheese is the most destructive drug of all :P

anyone that wants to see the coke billboard, i've had a pic of it on me
homepage since the summertime, so you can check it out if you want.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
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>Unified:  Derrick May will not be there.  Juan Atkins is iffy at this time.
>This is from people involved in the party.

jeff said it came over (313) that juan atkins has chicken pox and cancelled
a european date on 1.31, so my guess is he's NOT playing.

oh, count me in on richie's party, as ALWAYS ;)

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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From: eluna <eluna@coil.com>
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Subject: flyers: an initial response
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well i dont have time to add what i'd really like to to this discussion,
and i havent read many of the messages pertaining to this thread (i'm busy
as hell at the moment) so forgive me if it's already been covered... 

the flyer issue relates to my own feelings which randy replied to just a 
few posts ago (i DID read that one, albeit quickly...thanks rand).  i 
think there are people who do go for the big blown-out flyers and 
colorful graphics...some people even judge a party by the flyer.

but my own experience with flyers has led me to believe that neither size 
nor eye-candy graphics necessarily have much effect on attendance.

anyone who's seen the flyers i've designed (most of the smaller ele_mental
events) would probably say they're anything BUT "ravey," and people still
come to our events.  why?  well in our case i think there's a FEW people
who come because they know our track record and they know what kind of
music is generally highlighted at ele_mental events (detroit, jungle,
smoov house, experimental).  some people come because they know there will
be something interesting at an ele_mental event.  more people come because
we rarely charge more than $10 for our parties.  even more people come
based on the actual lineup.  but of course the reason most people come at
all is because they know something is going on.  simple as that.  they're
looking for good drugs, they're looking for a good time, they're looking
for friends, etc. 

i know, i know...it's more complicated than that, but as for me, my flyers
represent a conceptual approach which goes hand-in-hand with the ideas i
hope to embody.  others who have different aesthetic concerns will of
course do different kinds of flyers.  and yes, i probably lose a few
people who perhaps look at one of my flyers and say: "ew, this doesnt look
like fun...is it a RAVE or what?"  well my answer to that is, if you're
close-minded enough to think that way, don't come...you'll be bored off
your ass.  much as i'd like to change and open people's minds, i also
realize that people dont understand what i'm all about...and some even see
us (and me in particular) as pretentious snobs. 

oh well.  i'll keep doing what i'm doing, because i believe in it and i 
believe in the music and environment which can happen at these events.
bear in mind that keeping my own flyer expenses down also allows me to 
keep our prices ridiculously low.  how many other people can claim that?
not many, sad to say...(and i'm not claiming to be "the shit" but i have 
seen SO MANY flyers last year that were simply a WASTE OF PAPER).

i'll give one example before signing off:

.ION. this sunday...the flyer was approximately 2" X 2", 2-color, bond 
paper.  2000 flyers cost me about $125.  400 people showed up.  

in the long run, i maintain that size and "ravey" graphics make little
impact on event attendance. 

SOMEONE TAKE A CHANCE, DO A WEIRD FLYER.  I DARE YOU.
++
e d

ele-mental.coil.com/

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>Just to add my two cents on this thread....there is a place near Cincinatti
>called Big Bone Lick...it's a state park.  And on the way there there is a
>trading post called Beaver Lick Trading Post.  For any non-believers, I have
>pictures.

A place here in Austin has a sign that says "STONED" in huge letters..
Underneath in the very fine print, is "windshields? we'll repair em'".. As
if that isn't enough, it says "since 1979" just to the right of "STONED". 

ObRave: Uhm.. 



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It's in Kentucky, as you drive down 71 South towards Louisville...

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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Toymachine wrote:

> >Just to add my two cents on this thread....there is a place near Cincinatti
> >called Big Bone Lick...it's a state park.  And on the way there there is a
> >trading post called Beaver Lick Trading Post.  For any non-believers, I have
> >pictures.
> >
> 
> yeah yeah...she's for real.  Is it still in KY or is it in OH?
> 
> 
> 


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Koog! wrote:
> 
> Just to add my two cents on this thread....there is a place near Cincinatti
> called Big Bone Lick...it's a state park.  And on the way there there is a
> trading post called Beaver Lick Trading Post.  For any non-believers, I have
> pictures.
> 
> Your humble narrator,
> 
>        0/
>      <:     Whinin' Koogle (aka  Koog)
>       / >

i can vouch for those signs too.  :)
 
 Peace and Love
 
                                                  trevor lamont
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Here's a party with a good line up for a good price.
This party is celebrating our mw-raves friend dan efex's first release on TIME
UNLIMITED with J. Scott G.
                     
CONGRATULATIONS DAN!!!


-----------------------------------------------------------
Friday January 31          CHICAGO           RELEASED

      Progressive Society and Time Unlimited present...

                    R  E  L  E  A  S  E  D
           
        ...celebrating Dan Efex and J. Scott G.'s 
               first release on Time Unlimited...

    J. Scott G. .....................Albuquerque, New Mexico
                                     Rampant Records, Time Unlimited
    Dan Efex ........................Chicago, Time Unlimited

    Drew Young ......................Performing Live, Chicago
                                     UK44, Solid State, Drop Bass

    Dr. Reality .....................Chicago

    E.T. ............................Chicago

    DJ Solo .........................Bean Magazine

             
                  I n f o r m a t i o n :

             Progressive Society:  312-370-4099
             Bean Magazine:        847-604-0024

                 This party is only $10



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        well this sign story is going to be short. It was a couple of years
ago I went on a road trip with one of my friends.  For some reason we would
stop at all the historical markers along the highway. We came to this marker
reading "Major Dick Bong" It said he was some flying ace in WW1. but thats
all i have to say


Derek O'Brien
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        Well after telling my self that i a dumb ass for not signing of
before break i have managed to get all 700 or so messages deleted and back
on track.

        But the good thing is i got to meet up with a few of you net people
over break like, jon, *roo*, CHRIsE (who i got a great pic of),
john/dove(pic of him too),MEGAN from iowa(oooohhh!)Pic of her too, KC, and
then a jamie and a becky who i met new years in milwaukee. oh and jon's
frien that i meet at biorythm but i cant remember his name (sorry :( ).

        For those who are going to porcupine rocket ship make sure you wear
a silly name tag. If you don't have one i will give you one because i will
be wearing mine.


dErEK
                                  
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At 11:39 AM 1/22/97 -0600, FOLLKJ10@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu wrote:
>Here's a party with a good line up for a good price.
>This party is celebrating our mw-raves friend dan efex's first release on
TIME
>UNLIMITED with J. Scott G.
>                     
>CONGRATULATIONS DAN!!!

Who is dan efex?
Just curious cuz I've never heard of him...
Is he a house DJ?

Thanks,
matter


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On 1/22/97, blarfunkular (matter) amazingly wrote the following tezzagipshunt:
GRATULATIONS DAN!!!
>
>Who is dan efex?
>Just curious cuz I've never heard of him...
>Is he a house DJ?


I heard he spun Diva House.  I think I heard him play Gloria Gaynor once,
too.. ; )





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bill cook sed:
=================================================================
before you start ripping on other peoples low-budget fliers, try throwing your 
own party, and then we'll all see how much money YOU  invest in fliers and 
what they look like.  
=================================================================

don't worry folks, i'm not even gonna bother answering this one.
i wish folks would read up on all the threads before making a 
fool of themselves. 'til then i hope some one can help mr. cook
find a clue.      

just to not make this a complete waste o bandwidth, i'll drop 
some ohio rave trivia...

Q: what did dan curtin used to go under when he first started
   playing live and where was his first live performance at?

A: he used to go under 'lucky charm' and his first live PA
   was in 1991 at a party thrown at 1961 ford rd on the case
   western reserve university campus. the party was thrown
   by wruw dj's: steve st. james, marla, sam, totts, and one
   illustrious stevie t. and yes the party had black & white
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I think you'll get a kick outta this one:

There's an exit offa I-75 in Michigan north of Detroit (I think it's in
Troy, MI.) called "Big Beaver Road" and it so happens to be exit number 69. ;)

matter


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On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, jp wrote:

I heard Dan likes to play with Club Kid Barbie.... =)


> On 1/22/97, blarfunkular (matter) amazingly wrote the following tezzagipshunt:
> GRATULATIONS DAN!!!
> >
> >Who is dan efex?
> >Just curious cuz I've never heard of him...
> >Is he a house DJ?
> 
> 
> I heard he spun Diva House.  I think I heard him play Gloria Gaynor once,
> too.. ; )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                                -jp
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> 


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hey kids... it might be a little early to start planning, but I'm gonna
try my best to get a net-meet organized for porcupine rocketship...

should we do the usual: 2am at the smart bar? and if there isn't a smart
bar, right by the front entrance, okay?

you'll be able to identify me because i'm tall, and have short hair which
should most likely be bleached by then. And also, i think i'm gonna dress
myself up in some *really silly* candyraver fashions. don't take me
seriously folks!  It'll be me and john/dove, and maybe a few other ppl...
email me back if you're gonna be there.

chrisE!

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>Although, I strongly disagree with this "concept" of meditation, I will
>attempt to be gentile expressing my opinion here... :)
>
Agreed, I've never researched meditation techniques, nor have i had the
inclination to do so.  The key to meditation, IMO, is breatheing.  For me
sitting indian style, with a straight back, or lying on a wooden floor with
my knees up, both work well.  I then begin focusing on my breatheing making
sure all parts of my body feel the intake of every breath.  I realize this
is a very short description , but it is all i do.  I learned the techniques
i've described from one of my theatre profs..  It is very helpful when
concentration over a long period of time is necessary.


>Some of you who are unfamiliar with meditation techniques may want to
>experiment with different ones before the alignment... 

Indeed.  I know lots of ppl who meditate, and none of them use the same
technique.  Find what works for u.

>I mention this because, I believe that trying to "get something" from
>meditation (purposefully) simply will not work. The point of meditation,
>IMO, is to unify with all which exists... the universe will have an
>oppurtunity to tell you what to do, as your most sublime and "important"
>dreams will be communicated to everything that is.
>
I'm not sure if i agree with u on this Matter.  Perhaps that is what is
happening when i do, but if so, i've been unaware of it.  I meditate
because i stay more focused, calm, and attentive in everyday life.  I seem
to get moody if i miss a day.....

Anyway, just my two cents...

peace,
adam

np. Aphex Twin: "The Richard James Album"<----I paid $30 for the import(it
isn't domestic yet) and it is worth every penny:)

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At 10:55 PM 1/15/97 -0500, ultimate.platypus@njackn.com wrote:
>SATURDAY JANUARY 25           CHICAGO                      HOME 97
>info:  312.604.1676 / 312.604.1978              vibe alive

matter will be there, in full positive vibe
       with the new love of his life: Kate

c u there!? say 2:00 at the drinky place? (If I can remember...) ;)

I am going to be wearing black huge pants, white docs, some wacked t-shirt
and I will be hauling around a gigantic black (plain sane) back pack,
stuffed with all kinds of useless stuff. I will most likely have glittery
stuff on my face and such, since Kate is sooo into it. :) (love roolz)

Anyone into crash space for afterwards, is welcome to come back to my
place, about 35 minutes from the expo center. NOT an open invitation to the
general public, just for the mw-raves family and close friends. Find me
there if u r into it...

/* rulp */
  matter


it's awl good -> it's ag -> it's SILVER! :D ("it's silver" by Kate)

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**!??!?!**
House!?!?   Diva House!?!?!??!  *bah!*
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>         well this sign story is going to be short. It was a couple of years
> ago I went on a road trip with one of my friends.  For some reason we would
> stop at all the historical markers along the highway. We came to this marker
> reading "Major Dick Bong" It said he was some flying ace in WW1. but thats
> all i have to say

this one is pretty good. i forgot to say, there is a "rolls pizzaria"
in strongsville, ohio, which is where my mom lives. i've got to get a
picture of it next time i'm there.
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From: Kyle Kentala <kyleek@engin.umich.edu>
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Has anyone seen the new commercial for th super bowl on mtv that has a 
jungle track on it? Hmm..football to jungle..interesting

anyways

Kyle

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did the mw-raves calendar already go out today???  if anyone has a copy
please forward it to me or if you have a recent (since the new year) please
forward it to me.......the calendar on the ftp site and the web site are
both from december and i was wondering if there was a newer one

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Well, first of all, EVERYBODY REMEMBER TO MEDITATE TOMORROW (or today,
depending on when you're reading this)  I heard 11:00-11:05...

Now to the good part:

To people who post rave announcements, please help out a totally clueless
guy and be more specific as to where they are (eg.  "Fox Valley"  where
th' hell's that?).  Also, am I correct in assuming 90% of raves are 18+? 
If so, PLEASE POST IN BIG LETTERS if one's all-ages.  (You all remember
when you were lil' and too young to get in :...-(  )

Last, could someone tell me where to get the house mix of Tori Amos'
"Professonal Widow"?  I hear it all the time and it sounds kewl, but I
haven't a clue where to find it.  

Well, thanx for being patient...

Mike 

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Subject: hip-hop party/akron, OH/dj kool
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i heard this ad on the radio for a hip-hop party (for those of you
that like it). if anybody has more info than i do please post
it. anyway, it's one of those icebreaker things, for kent state & 
the university of akron. it's in akron ohio. on friday nite, open 
at 9pm starts at 10pm. the location is Sancho's (i think that's what 
they said) Party Center: 610 West Exchange. the infoline i have is 
330.915.8450 but last time i called it there wasn't any info on it 
because the message is cut short. there was another infoline on the 
ad but they said it too fast for me to write it down. does anybody
have it? i don't have a full lineup but they said dj kool (from dc)
will be there. he does that track "let me clear my throat"--it's kinda
famous i guess. so far this is all i know but i will post more later
if i find out more.
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It seems that a lot of people want to come to RELEASE in Champaign-Urbana,
but are having problems getting down.  So, I'm going to give you a lot of
warning....Come February 22, make sure you have a ride down to C-U, 'cause
that's when LUSCIOUS is coming to town.
                                       -Humility



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> Has anyone seen the new commercial for th super bowl on mtv that has a
> jungle track on it? Hmm..football to jungle..interesting

  if its the commerical i think you are talking about and the song ( i think
its in the begining) its teh chemical brothers new single that Noah Galagher
does the vocals for (setting sun).Considering the rotation that video's
getting Mtv is making it quite the new alterna-gem.

thank god they didnt sample alan or kenny
>

Diana
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Just passin it on...

Marc Wright wrote:
> 
> Here's a good quote from an interview with Alex Gifford of
> Propellerheads in our local street press 'Time Off'.
> 
> 'Fortunately, there is an atmosphere at the moment where it's easier to
> actually stick your neck out musically, say "Fuck it, this is what we
> like, what do you reckon?" than maybe it was a couple of years ago. More
> and more people are saying "Why stick to these guidelines". Instead of
> "What do you do, are you techno, are you house, are you hip-hop, or
> what?". You can just say, "None of that shit. We're just everything".'

I finally got hold of 'Textures' double albumn SO many peeps suggested,
 not really my style, I have 'Trance Europe Express Vol 1', bout the 
 same, I like it BANGIN BANGIN and some more BANGIN... good for the
 ears is it yes, good for the feet it is not (Yoda talk for you all)

Anybody goin to the star-wars re-release, should I even ask?

Oh, I've changed my name to 'Hike' for your reference cuz...
 1) That what most of my friends call me.
 2) 'Jason' looks boring as hell on a laminate.

Pronounced 'Hikey' by my old friends.
Pronounced 'Hike' by peeps lately.

   ...but my disciples pronounce it as 'Beelzebub' ;'}

 originally ignorant
 formerly knowledgeable
 currently hypocritical		-Hike  
   _________________________________________________
  /     Jason C. Heikenfeld  jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu
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>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:20:39 -0500 (EST)
>From: hae2@po.CWRU.Edu (Hossam A. El-Saie)
>To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com, ne-raves@world.std.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com
>Subject: {pb-cle} 'THE RUFFEST'**CLEVELAND OHO**SAT JAN 25**
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>bassheads present:
>
>THE RUFFEST
>SATURDAY JAN 25
>
>
>$13 @ door with canned good   $15 without
>
>brand new downtown space
>
>lineup: (*)
>
>	10-11 	starchild
>	11-12 	ruffian
>	12-1 	mike filly
>	1-2 	sine
>	2-3:30	dara
>	3:30-5 	noel
>	5-7 	tik tak
>
>* as of this afternoon, this was the lineup, times may be subject to change
>however
>
>
>infoline: 216.962.3713
>
>
>let me know if you plan on going....:)  (i am)
>
>peace
>hossam aka mc sphinx
>

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 22 21:05:37 1997
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Just thought id inform anyone interested that 20/20, yes 20/20 is doing a
piece on raves friday night at 10. This doesnt look like a positive thing
either. It was one of those "Its friday night, do you know where your
teeenagers are?" kind of things . I imagine the new years in LA thing has
spurred this. Anyway, just thought id let folks know.
-chris

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around 6 mos. ago it was pulled out of production due to copywrite
problems (so I heard) but I finally got a copy a couple months ago at
Gramaphone, that's in Chicago if you didn't know.  It's on a major label
like Arista or Electra or something like that, so you might be able to
get it at a "top 40" store.  Good luck!
		

										Darrin M.

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sorry, i fucked up.  Iwas thinking of Sarah Mclaughlin (sp) and the
Rabbit in the Moon remixes.  I got the Tori remixes at Abstract music a
few months ago.  It's on the south side of Chicago,  I don't know the
address but I could show you how to get there (j/k).

										Darrin M.

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hmmmm, tell me more, I'm in Bloomington, IL.

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On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Diana Lynn Potts wrote:

> > Has anyone seen the new commercial for th super bowl on mtv that has a
> > jungle track on it? Hmm..football to jungle..interesting
> 
>   if its the commerical i think you are talking about and the song ( i think
> its in the begining) its teh chemical brothers new single that Noah Galagher
> does the vocals for (setting sun).Considering the rotation that video's
> getting Mtv is making it quite the new alterna-gem.
> 

which isn't jungle in the first place...

the only jungle i've heard the mtv camp use for commercials and so on has 
been jungle sky bullshit. *shrug* they can have that for all i care.:)

cheers,
dylan
 _____________________________________________________________________
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 22 21:49:27 1997
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the messages I sent before were all responses but they don't show the
original to which I responded.  What do I need to do?  By the way, HI. 
My name is Darrin M.  I live in Bloomington, IL.  I've meet some really
cool ravers since I moved here from Chicago in April.  Most of them are
students at ISU.  I just subscribed to MWraves on Tues.  It looks pretty
cool.  I might as weel tell you about a little thing that we (the
Central Illinois Alliance, a.k.a. C.I.A.) are doing on Feb 15th.  It is
a small house party, but its not in a house.  It is called "Butterfly
Kisses" and it's to celebrate the birthdays of our friends John (20) and
Colleen (19).  We have done two previous parties here already.  A small
one of the same kind called Virgo last Sept. and a bigger one last Nov.
called Quaint.  "Butt. Kiss." (thats terrible) will only be 2 or 3
dollars and will last all night with music from good but not so known
DJ's.  I hate to bring up the "back in the day" attitude, but we take it
back to how it all began.  Fresh music, phat vibes and friends, kinda
like a Mickey D's commercial.  With help from the surrounding
communities such as Urban(a) Techno Collective (Champ/Urbana), the
Nuclear Family (Peoria) and Paradox (Champ/Urbana) central Illinois is
going to be the shit in no time with the help from everyone who's
looking for the same scene I used to know.  I'm not sayins that it is
better or worse now, I don't know, I'm stuck in cen. IL.  I just want
what I used to know.  As Ani (not DiFranco) once told me, "keep it real"
we can with your support.

Butterfly Kisses		Sat. Feb. 15th			Bloomington, IL

Mike C. (P.S.T. Chi.)		Funky Diabetic (C.I.A. Blm, IL)		

Matt Michaels (G.C.G. Chi.)			Matthew (Universe Lounge Chi.)

Central Illinois Alliance  309  827  9781
dfunky1@dave-world.net

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Why isn't the calendar updated ? It has been like that for weeks now....



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diana wrote:

>  if its the commerical i think you are talking about and the song ( i think
>its in the begining) its teh chemical brothers new single that Noah Galagher
>does the vocals for (setting sun).Considering the rotation that video's
>getting Mtv is making it quite the new alterna-gem.
>
>thank god they didnt sample alan or kenny
>>
>
>Diana
>--

the commercial features a straight 'amen' ( but extremely broken ) jungle track.
the chem bros track IS in heavy-medium rotation but dosen't appear in the
ad for rock-n-jock super bowl.

personally i thought the ad was pretty f#@kin' kewl!!!

see ya.
kevy kev.

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Yeah, I saw that. My husband was doing something else, and heard it,
whipped his head around and it was funny to see his mouth hit the
ground... =)

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On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Kyle Kentala wrote:

> Has anyone seen the new commercial for th super bowl on mtv that has a 
> jungle track on it? Hmm..football to jungle..interesting
> 
> anyways
> 
> Kyle
> 


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> > > Has anyone seen the new commercial for th super bowl on mtv that has a
> > > jungle track on it? Hmm..football to jungle..interesting
> > 
> >   if its the commerical i think you are talking about and the song ( i think
> > its in the begining) its teh chemical brothers new single that Noah Galagher
> > does the vocals for (setting sun).Considering the rotation that video's
> > getting Mtv is making it quite the new alterna-gem.
> > 
> 
> which isn't jungle in the first place...
> 
> the only jungle i've heard the mtv camp use for commercials and so on has 
> been jungle sky bullshit. *shrug* they can have that for all i care.:)

i finally saw amp + about 1/3 of it was fairly good + the other 2/3
was total shit which wasn't anything even close to being any kind of 
techno. like tricky & something by the chemical brothers, that's the 
only thing i've heard by them (which might be a good thing) so i don't
know what their other stuff is like--wanna-be jungle? although there 
was one of those short things saying the show was called amp that had 
jungle on it. it was one that had a lot of blue + green neon stuff in 
it. there was some video on there (also not at all techno) that was by
"prodigy", is that the prodigy or somebody else? it didn't sound like
what i've heard by the prodigy, which isn't much but it was at least
ok. this video had this scary looking guy with his eyebrows shaved off
& wearing lots of eyeliner & jumping around + yelling & some other 
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I have heard a rumor that Derrick May will not be at Unified...

Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

thanks,
matter


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So far only 14 replies for slick mw-raves laminates to impress all of your
friends with and use to find and meet peeps at partys?

What's up with that?

Anyone who hasn't sent me private please do so...

I thought we would all want kewl laminates, I guess I'm a dork. ;)

love,
matter


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At 04:54 PM 1/22/97 -0600, somebody pretending to be the real DanEfex sAiD:
>**!??!?!**
>House!?!?   Diva House!?!?!??!  *bah!*
>:)

Yeah, we know the real DanEfex loves Diva House and uh, Devo too, yeah...

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> =20
>D=E0=F1 =EAf=EAx        (_,.-*'`^`'*-.,_,JockeYSLuT.,_,.-*'`^`'*-.,_)
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Check out the phony signature. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

The real DanEfex has a capitol "K" in "JocKeYSLuT" AND you thought you
could fool us... but we know better. I may be a dork, but I'm not dumb, I
think. ;)

Seriously (for a sec) congrats on your release, Dan! I cannot wait to hear
it! :)

*big hug*

love,
matter

P.S. Everybody, pleez forgive the frequent posts, I have been spending way
too much time on vrave, and I am, now, just a cyber-junkie. Thanks for your
support. :)


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On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> was total shit which wasn't anything even close to being any kind of 
> techno. like tricky & something by the chemical brothers, that's the 
> only thing i've heard by them (which might be a good thing) so i don't
> know what their other stuff is like--wanna-be jungle? although there 

chem bros in a nutshell: breakbeats @ 105-135 bpm with squelchy 
quasi-acidy stuff and guitar samples over it.  pretty boring IMO. 

> it. there was some video on there (also not at all techno) that was by
> "prodigy", is that the prodigy or somebody else? it didn't sound like
> what i've heard by the prodigy, which isn't much but it was at least
> ok. this video had this scary looking guy with his eyebrows shaved off
> & wearing lots of eyeliner & jumping around + yelling & some other 
> scary guy who had even more evil looking eyes. very strange.

that would be the prodigy that's been around since 90-91ish.  they got 
that "bozo-on-crack" guy recently...erm i prefer the old mc personally.
"firestarter' is a pretty wicked tune if for nothing else the fac tthat 
the mc is just insane and pretty funny to watch. the "even more evil 
looking eyes" guy is the old mc...keith i think is his name?

AMP is about electronic music in general, not just "techno" per se...i 
think it's a rather refreshing break from the average shit that comes 
your way on mtv.

cheers,
dylan
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check this site if your looking for more info on the alignment this
afternoon...

http://www.gaiamind.com/intro.html

matter


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	Wus up Darrin?  I just wanted ta give a shout out ta ya for
throwing Quaint even though it did get busted.  I thought it was phat even
if it was a small party.  I remember going ta the small ones in Chi-Town
when they were only $5 too.  But anyways.....just wanted ta tell ya, that
the "Nuclear Family" here in Peoria supports ya!  Keep up the fight.
latah.





> the messages I sent before were all responses but they don't show the
> original to which I responded.  What do I need to do?  By the way, HI. 
> My name is Darrin M.  I live in Bloomington, IL.  I've meet some really
> cool ravers since I moved here from Chicago in April.  Most of them are
> students at ISU.  I just subscribed to MWraves on Tues.  It looks pretty
> cool.  I might as weel tell you about a little thing that we (the
> Central Illinois Alliance, a.k.a. C.I.A.) are doing on Feb 15th.  It is
> a small house party, but its not in a house.  It is called "Butterfly
> Kisses" and it's to celebrate the birthdays of our friends John (20) and
> Colleen (19).  We have done two previous parties here already.  A small
> one of the same kind called Virgo last Sept. and a bigger one last Nov.
> called Quaint.  "Butt. Kiss." (thats terrible) will only be 2 or 3
> dollars and will last all night with music from good but not so known
> DJ's.  I hate to bring up the "back in the day" attitude, but we take it
> back to how it all began.  Fresh music, phat vibes and friends, kinda
> like a Mickey D's commercial.  With help from the surrounding
> communities such as Urban(a) Techno Collective (Champ/Urbana), the
> Nuclear Family (Peoria) and Paradox (Champ/Urbana) central Illinois is
> going to be the shit in no time with the help from everyone who's
> looking for the same scene I used to know.  I'm not sayins that it is
> better or worse now, I don't know, I'm stuck in cen. IL.  I just want
> what I used to know.  As Ani (not DiFranco) once told me, "keep it real"
> we can with your support.
> 
> Butterfly Kisses		Sat. Feb. 15th			Bloomington, IL
> 
> Mike C. (P.S.T. Chi.)		Funky Diabetic (C.I.A. Blm, IL)		
> 
> Matt Michaels (G.C.G. Chi.)			Matthew (Universe Lounge Chi.)
> 
> Central Illinois Alliance  309  827  9781
> dfunky1@dave-world.net
> 


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Do not mind the screen name, I am on my brothers account and he thinks it is
cool.
I was just wondering if anyone wanted to plan a net-meet for trainwrecking?
If you would like to please send me info on where and when.
thank you


Lisa  CrazyGrrl

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	In response to the Derrick May thing......THe producer for this
party is a totally cool guy.....if Derrick May isnt going ta be there then
he'll anounce it on the info. line.  Although if May isnt showing up, and
the line doesnt say anything about it yet, he'll tell ya the day of or
before....

Oh, by the way......$25 for this party, so get the pre-sale for $16 at
Untitled if your going.

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, matter wrote:

> 
> I have heard a rumor that Derrick May will not be at Unified...
> 
> Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?
> 
> thanks,
> matter
> 
> 
> it's awl good -> it's ag -> it's SILVER! :D ("it's silver" by Kate)
> 
> arduous nucelus / upcoming show dates (blatant self-advertisement)
> 
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On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> > > > Has anyone seen the new commercial for th super bowl on mtv that has a
> > > > jungle track on it? Hmm..football to jungle..interesting
> > > 
> > >   if its the commerical i think you are talking about and the song ( i think
> > > its in the begining) its teh chemical brothers new single that Noah Galagher
> > > does the vocals for (setting sun).Considering the rotation that video's
> > > getting Mtv is making it quite the new alterna-gem.
> > > 
> > 
> > which isn't jungle in the first place...
> > 
> > the only jungle i've heard the mtv camp use for commercials and so on has 
> > been jungle sky bullshit. *shrug* they can have that for all i care.:)
> 
> i finally saw amp + about 1/3 of it was fairly good + the other 2/3
> was total shit which wasn't anything even close to being any kind of 
> techno. like tricky & something by the chemical brothers, that's the 
> only thing i've heard by them (which might be a good thing) so i don't
> know what their other stuff is like--wanna-be jungle? although there 
> was one of those short things saying the show was called amp that had 
> jungle on it. it was one that had a lot of blue + green neon stuff in 
> it. there was some video on there (also not at all techno) that was by
> "prodigy", is that the prodigy or somebody else? it didn't sound like
> what i've heard by the prodigy, which isn't much but it was at least
> ok. this video had this scary looking guy with his eyebrows shaved off
> & wearing lots of eyeliner & jumping around + yelling & some other 
> scary guy who had even more evil looking eyes. very strange.
That video gives me a bad trip when im S OBER...


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Like I said before, a relaible source has told me that Derrick May will not be
at Unified.  He is booked overseas for the same day.

Reportaly Juan Atkins is questionable at this time too.  If these two don't
show up the party may be worth $20, for sure not $25.

Anyways i'll be going to the party here in detroit.  Inside sources have told
me to stay in detroit for Feb 1st, should be any party going on anywhere else



--
joff
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> Reportaly Juan Atkins is questionable at this time too.  If these two don't
> show up the party may be worth $20, for sure not $25.

the story as I heard it was that Juan Atkins has chicken pox... I dont
know how true that is but I heard it here on the list. Chances are if he's
got chicken pox he probably won't show. :(

Personally, I think even with Juan Atkins and Derrick may that party
would've only been worth about $20. there's NO WAY i'd pay $25 for it.

chris

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At 02:04 PM 1/23/97 -0600, you wrote:
>> Reportaly Juan Atkins is questionable at this time too.  If these two don't
>> show up the party may be worth $20, for sure not $25.
>
>the story as I heard it was that Juan Atkins has chicken pox... I dont
>know how true that is but I heard it here on the list. Chances are if he's
>got chicken pox he probably won't show. :(
>
>Personally, I think even with Juan Atkins and Derrick may that party
>would've only been worth about $20. there's NO WAY i'd pay $25 for it.

Yeah, I thought I heard someone wasn't going (duh). IMO, with those two
offa the bill, the party ain't worth $10, even.

matter



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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan 23 13:29:46 1997
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:30:11 -0600
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Well, i don't think rising sun is that great of a song really, i mean its
ok.  Definitely not jungle.  But i still have great respect for the chem
bros.  Their song "chemical beats" is so super dope if you ask me.

Marc

p.s.  I saw a funny thing on mtv too, simon rex was introing the new prodigy
video Firestarter.  And he said...  "ya know if you were to tell the prodigy
that their music is techno, ambient, or trip hop they'd get mad at you.
Their music is jungle, drum n bass."

Wait a minute!  Isn't the prodigy sort of sound like all those things he
says they would give you a beat down for saying?  And Firestarter is
definitely not jungle!  And he failed to make the distinction between drum n
bass and jungle!  My golly!


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan 23 13:36:12 1997
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I think amp is just trying to slowly acquaint the masses with electronic
music since if you ask me, without a doubt, it will be the dominant form in
the US within 10 yrs or so.  They show videos like portishead and tricky and
the prodigy and the chemical bros. i believe because they have vocals.
There are many people that i know that disdain electronic music and have
this idea that a song has to have vocals to be a "real" song.  But they also
show some more experimental stuff, like one show featured all these artists
on the Digital Hardcore Recordings Label...  Alec Empire, Atari Teenage
Riot, and this WickEd, WICkeD, Jungle Choon by DJ Mowgly and Carl Crack.
And then they throw in some really pretty, classical music sounding trance.  

I have yet to see anything I would call house on it.

Laterz, 
Marc


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derrick may has been replaced (wait, not the best word...his spot on the
lineup has been filled by is a better way to phrase it...who can replace
derrick may?) by sleepy c and someone else.  juan atkins has the chicken
pox.  that leaves us with a decimated lineup, and who wants to shell out 25
bux to wait 3 hours in line outside the south expo center anyway?

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan 23 13:50:37 1997
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ya baby, I'll be over tonight.  Does Justin have two tables again yet? 
Or do I need to bring one of mine?  I'll see you at the Gallery.

FOR ANYONE interested in hearing good music (so so mixed) come to the
gallery in Normal, IL. on Thursday nights starting at 10pm.  It's a bar
on Beaufort right downtown on ISU campus.  There's no cover and the
drinks are a hellzalot cheaper than in Chi-town.  You must have an I.D.
that says you or someone you look like is 21 (sorry).  If we can
honestly get enough younger people to come regularly we might be able to
do an 18+ night on Thursdays in the upstairs.  Justin the manager is one
of US, Amy the bar tender/ nude mud wrestler (j/k) is cool too.  This is
were the C.I.A. hangs out if you wanna kick it with us.  It closes at
1:00 but we always have a place to go and hang afterwards.  Any ?'s or
inerests let me know.

								Darrin M.

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan 23 13:54:14 1997
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It's good to know that there are more of us in central Illinois than I
thought.  Sorry about the asshole at Quaint that was setting of the
fireworks.  I didn't even know about it until the cops started bitching
at me, by then it was too late to do anything.  I can't promise you
money or even a definate time slot at "Butterfly Kisses" but like I told
Tom from UTC, bring your vinyl and I'll do my best to get you in.  We
only have those four definite DJ's so it shouldn't be too hard.  But if
you  don't spin you should still come out and hang and meet my family
(the C.I.A. and friends).  I'll see you for sure on Friday in C/U.

                                                                Darrin
M.

P.S. I'm using NetScape 3.0, how do I sign my letters every time without
having to type it each time?  i.e. your quotes at the bottom of your
letters, and how do I show the letter that I'm responding to in my
letters?  Do I quote it or something?

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan 23 13:56:06 1997
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From: randy <johnsonl@mcnet.marietta.edu>
To: Marc <maegley@students.wisc.edu>
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> p.s.  I saw a funny thing on mtv too, simon rex was introing the new prodigy
> video Firestarter.  And he said...  "ya know if you were to tell the prodigy
> that their music is techno, ambient, or trip hop they'd get mad at you.
> Their music is jungle, drum n bass."
> 
> Wait a minute!  Isn't the prodigy sort of sound like all those things he
> says they would give you a beat down for saying?  And Firestarter is
> definitely not jungle!  And he failed to make the distinction between drum n
> bass and jungle!  My golly!

well i'm sure simon rex couldnt make the distinction between drum n bass,
jungle, and his ass to save his life. hes just reading the teleprompters,
trying to act like he has a clue...it's really the programmers at mtv that
are clueless. and has anyone else noticed how mtv has been overplaying
Prodigy, Chem Bros, Tricky and Orbital? I think if you look at the fact
that they have labeled Firestarter and Setting Sun "Buzz Clips" (barf),
and now have Amp, which is a full hour of electronic music, and are
starting to fade out a lot of generic 'alternative' rock videos from their
rotation, it looks like mtv is trying to make electronic music the next
big fad. not that that is horrible, but it is simply mtv moving on to the
next trend they think will make them the most money in the immediate
future.
 
 randy / pr0zac


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AMY J.ya baby, I'll be over tonight.  Does Justin have two tables again
yet? Or do I need to bring one of mine?  I'll see you at the Gallery.  I
tried to send this as a response my by server said your address is
wrong, what is it?

FOR ANYONE interested in hearing good music (so so mixed) come to the
gallery in Normal, IL. on Thursday nights starting at 10pm.  It's a bar
on Beaufort right downtown on ISU campus.  There's no cover and the
drinks are a hellzalot cheaper than in Chi-town.  You must have an I.D.
that says you or someone you look like is 21 (sorry).  If we can
honestly get enough younger people to come regularly we might be able to
do an 18+ night on Thursdays in the upstairs.  Justin the manager is one
of US, Amy the bar tender/ nude mud wrestler (j/k) is cool too.  This is
were the C.I.A. hangs out if you wanna kick it with us.  It closes at
1:00 but we always have a place to go and hang afterwards.  Any ?'s or
inerests let me know.

                                                                Darrin
M.

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On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, matter wrote:

> At 01:51 PM 1/17/97 -0800, Linda Mautner wrote:
> >It's at the bottom of the page. Hope you like it.
> >-- 
> >DJ Weasel (Ben, not Linda)

> I think it rocks! :D Let's get everyone's feedback and make this happen! I
> want a mw-raves badge! ;P

alright, i will look this up and see about 
printing it out at work... i tried to get 
the message out to all of you that i have 
a laminating machine (well 3 of them) at
work and there is a FREE way to get them
done... i just wanted to know who was wanting
one and if there is something extra that 
i could stick on it to personalize it a bit.

my coputer has been down and i am currently
going through a very fough time, so i ask
that you be patient. please.  i will try to 
get this done, alright?

*hugz*
jaguar/jen2


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On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Matthew Carl Joffe wrote:

> Ok, i could be really off base here, but i think if we are going to have some
> type of a fair vote here, somehow someone needs to put the options on a web
> page.  Maybe we are the only school out there that dosen't have anyways of
> downloading graphics but i highly doubt it.  Our e-mail and i assume of many
> other schools, (since a couple in the area use our system) have a text only
> system.  This means that all of us can't look at the options unless the get
put
> a web sight, or atleast to a news group where we can download them.
> 
> anyone have any thoughts about this

agreed, that way i can access them at work and
print them out from there.

*hugz*
jaguar/jen2


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On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, jASON.111 wrote:

> hey<<<
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> is anyone else getting their posts returned w/ this message attached when
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> 
> jason111
> 
> >From: POSTMASTER@boardwalk.com
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me! me! i got two of them.


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"the djs took pills to stay awake and play for 7 days"


i heard this rumour that chicago parties often have these stellar lineups that
don't show up, any truth to this?



btw, note, no bad press about PR yet.  :D

jon/dica

np:  this jungle tape i made <couple of rekkids thrown down by josh, too>


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> >
> >the story as I heard it was that Juan Atkins has chicken pox... I dont
> >know how true that is but I heard it here on the list. Chances are if he's
> >got chicken pox he probably won't show. :(
> >
> >Personally, I think even with Juan Atkins and Derrick may that party
> >would've only been worth about $20. there's NO WAY i'd pay $25 for it.
> 
> Yeah, I thought I heard someone wasn't going (duh). IMO, with those two
> offa the bill, the party ain't worth $10, even.
> 

personally i'd think that it'd be worth it. c'mon. frankie bones. james
christian. pierre. and mark lewis? uhhh ya. 10 bucks would be worth it.

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	That's sorta true....But if it happens, usually its because the
producer didnt really book them, they just wanted ta get more money.  

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 ultimate.platypus@njackn.com wrote:

> 
> "the djs took pills to stay awake and play for 7 days"
> 
> 
> i heard this rumour that chicago parties often have these stellar lineups that
> don't show up, any truth to this?
> 
> 
> 
> btw, note, no bad press about PR yet.  :D
> 
> jon/dica
> 
> np:  this jungle tape i made <couple of rekkids thrown down by josh, too>
> 
> 


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"MaXXimum@msn.com"  "Davis Bassan" said:

>Why isn't the calendar updated ? It has been like that for weeks now....

well if i was doing the calendar stuff like this (and all of the delayed 
calendars) wouldn't happen.

kimm



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	I agree with matter on this one....I would even pay $15 for it,
even though i hate the price...but that would be my max limit for this
party if those two dont show up.

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, k0mA wrote:

> > >
> > >would've only been worth about $20. there's NO WAY i'd pay $25 for it.
> > 
> > Yeah, I thought I heard someone wasn't going (duh). IMO, with those two
> > offa the bill, the party ain't worth $10, even.
> > 
> 
> personally i'd think that it'd be worth it. c'mon. frankie bones. james
> christian. pierre. and mark lewis? uhhh ya. 10 bucks would be worth it.
> 


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Saturday, February 8		CHICAGO				CHERISH

		ATP celebrates their 25th event anniversary and
  		    three and a half years of existence...

		 	 *  C  H  E  R  I  S  H  *

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		Miles Maeda.....................San Diego
		Mark Verbo...............(Live).Milwaukee

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Here is an interesting tidbit for you.  Breakbeat has been used in
Football ads and clips since at least 1992.  I remember hearing old school
breakbeats used in promos for upcoming games and in the highlight reels.
So this mtv thing should even cause a stir. 




On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Kevin Koch wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Greta Baxstrom wrote:
> 
> > > > > Has anyone seen the new commercial for th super bowl on mtv that has a
> > > > > jungle track on it? Hmm..football to jungle..interesting
> > > > 
> > > >   if its the commerical i think you are talking about and the song ( i think
> > > > its in the begining) its teh chemical brothers new single that Noah Galagher
> > > > does the vocals for (setting sun).Considering the rotation that video's
> > > > getting Mtv is making it quite the new alterna-gem.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > which isn't jungle in the first place...
> > > 
> > > the only jungle i've heard the mtv camp use for commercials and so on has 
> > > been jungle sky bullshit. *shrug* they can have that for all i care.:)
> > 
> > i finally saw amp + about 1/3 of it was fairly good + the other 2/3
> > was total shit which wasn't anything even close to being any kind of 
> > techno. like tricky & something by the chemical brothers, that's the 
> > only thing i've heard by them (which might be a good thing) so i don't
> > know what their other stuff is like--wanna-be jungle? although there 
> > was one of those short things saying the show was called amp that had 
> > jungle on it. it was one that had a lot of blue + green neon stuff in 
> > it. there was some video on there (also not at all techno) that was by
> > "prodigy", is that the prodigy or somebody else? it didn't sound like
> > what i've heard by the prodigy, which isn't much but it was at least
> > ok. this video had this scary looking guy with his eyebrows shaved off
> > & wearing lots of eyeliner & jumping around + yelling & some other 
> > scary guy who had even more evil looking eyes. very strange.
> That video gives me a bad trip when im S OBER...
> 
> 
> > -- 
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Ok, if someone out there that knows what they are talking about can answer this
questoin (mike, kurt?)

Why do dj's keep dropping off of line ups.  I know that a lot of times that
promoters put them on the flyers before the contracts are signed, which is a
bunch of shit.  But i have heard that some dj's (not going to list names) book
themselves for two parties sometimes and then decide later on which party they
wish to spin at.  How can this happen, if the dj signs the contract and the
promoter does their party of getting the down deposit and all that shit,
couldn't the promoter sue the dj for not honoring the contract.

I am really curious about this so i ask if someone how knows what they are
talking about, not just heard about it answer this questoin it would be greatly
appreciated.  I just have a feeling that it's not always the promoters fault.



--
joff
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embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
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I recently bought a new cd titled HAPPY2bHARDCORE.  I found that while it is
a little difficult to dance to, I really like the music. I was wondering if
anyone else likes Happy Hardcore, and what cd's anyone could recommend.

Thank you 

Lisa  CrazyGrrl

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hi there,

normally i do not duscuss the records that i've bought on this list (like
many others seem to be doing lately) but i feel that this is an important
piece of work here.

i just picked up the new Daft Punk lp, "Homework" on Virgin Records today.
It is slammin!  Now, the point of this message is not to talk about how
great the record is because most of us know that most of everything that
Daft Punk or it's better half Thomas Bangalter has put out slams anyway.
The point of this message is for all of you to get it through your heads
that techno music *will* break through this year to the masses.  

However, i do *not* want to get into another argument about techno becoming
"commercialized" or "selling out."  As soon as i had learned about Daft Punk
signing to Virgin nearly a year ago, i foresaw their debut as "the one."  I
mean, i can surely think of other techno lp's that beat the crap out of this
one, but that is not my point.  Nor am i trying to say that we will start
seeing Robert Hood on mtv or the Surgeon on the cover of rolling stone.
That is an entire different thing going on.  That goes along more with Mike
Dearborn's idea of "underground" which i believe will stick around for as
long as it's artists do.  BUT, this entire rave thing is just all over,
folks.  Expect to see many more Mountain Dew sponsored raves with outrageous
lineups and prices to go with it.  I, personally, have no problem with this.
In fact, it will more likely than not ensure a smoothly flowing event.  

Events like ele mental's and poorboy's will always be around.  These things
can coexist.  i am not saying that things like this will vanish.  This is
really my only reason for posting this:  anyone who thinks that they are
special or "underground" for knowing who Daft Punk or Josh Wink or Boo
Williams or any other big techno or house producer needs to WAKE UP.  This
is the beginning, not "the beginning of the end" as someone else posted on
this list about mtv's amp show or some other event about us "losing our
underground" or some other nonsense.

this was inevitable, and anyone who thought otherwise needs to reevaluate
what is going on in pop culture right now.  pants are getting bigger, shirts
longer.  most of the rock that is big right now involves electronics anyway,
it just isn't being used that well.  :)

it is also highly possible that i am wrong (don't worry, you all didn'thave
to tell me that).  *but* if not daft punk, then Goldie or Alex Reece or some
other artist who has been signed to a major.  it *will* happen this year, no
matter who it is.  actually, it makes more sense to me for drum n' bass to
hit the billboard top ten before daft punk does.  many articles were written
about it in major music publications last year.  anyhow, i am starting to go
on too many tangents.  

to reiterate once again, for most of you, "your" techno or "your" raves will
soon not be "yours" anymore.  

i, personally, am looking foreward to it.


--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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Okay, so I'm dumb.  How do I get a copy of the calendar?
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Well, my email system decided it was a good idea to delete all my new and
old mail, so if you sent me anything personally today, please send it again.
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On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, chrisE! wrote:

> 
> Personally, I think even with Juan Atkins and Derrick may that party
> would've only been worth about $20. there's NO WAY i'd pay $25 for it.
> 
No offense, and I don't mean this to be flame, but are you fucking nuts?
Derrick May AND Juan Atkins NOT WORTH $25?  I think you should check your
history books.

Just my opinion.  And of course, you are entitled to yours, which
obviously is different from mine.  But I still think yer nuts.

:)Amy


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Can someone please explain to me why Miles Maeda is suddenly from San
Diego?  I mean, even if you move, aren't you still FROM the same place?
What a bummer that he sold out his chi-town roots.

--Amy


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From: Eric C Eberle <eberle@U.Arizona.EDU>
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On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 Regan253@aol.com wrote:

> Just thought id inform anyone interested that 20/20, yes 20/20 is doing a
> piece on raves friday night at 10. This doesnt look like a positive thing
> either. It was one of those "Its friday night, do you know where your
> teeenagers are?" kind of things . I imagine the new years in LA thing has
> spurred this. Anyway, just thought id let folks know.
> -chris
> 
What happened New Years in LA? Interesting story?

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Just a reminder 2morrow night is the down home gig being put together by
mister sunshine himself, dj Apollo, to celebrate his new release on
Communique (coming out in feb.).

Resident Trainwreckerz...

APOLLO.........................tekkno/booty howze
SLIP...........................tekkno
WISC...........................drum&bass
J.BURTON (aka prof. earache)...deep deep sweet howze
PLANB..........................howze

the gig is at the ecstatic/inneraktive muzik loft.  email me for directionz
if ya don't know here the hell that is.

Cost is FIVE BUCKZ.  Cheep ;)  So bring good vibes and smiles and all that shit.

earache.


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> No offense, and I don't mean this to be flame, but are you fucking nuts?
> Derrick May AND Juan Atkins NOT WORTH $25?  I think you should check your
> history books.

um, i've checked my history books. I've seen juan before.  The only one
person I'd actually pay $25 for is Jeff Mills.  You can go around thinking
DJs are "worth" paying $25 for but remember that 2000 other kids are also
paying that money, which adds up to, hmm, $50,000. How much of that money
is going to Juan and Derrick?  How much is going directly into the pockets
of the promoter?  Does a promoter really deserve to make that much money
just because s/he is able to book two Good DJs?  Even in the case of
unified, where the promoter also has frankie bones and DJ Pierre and James
Christian, I don't think it's worth nearly $25.  

And if the party's gone to such a high budget that the promoters NEED to
charge $25, that's their problem.

chrisE! (payed $15 to see juan atkins and wasnt all that impressed)

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|  http://www.hamline.edu/~crege          |
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On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 LEGEND1126@aol.com wrote:

> I recently bought a new cd titled HAPPY2bHARDCORE.  I found that while it is
> a little difficult to dance to, I really like the music. I was wondering if
> anyone else likes Happy Hardcore, and what cd's anyone could recommend.
> 
> Thank you 
> 
> Lisa  CrazyGrrl
> 

What is it, like distortion box gabber type shit?  Does it sound angry?
Do they swear alot?  I've never seen that comp but I have a really good
hardcore comp called Industrial Fuckin' Strength, it's got like D.O.A. and
Delta Nine and some other shit.  It's 2 cds for like $18.
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>well if i was doing the calendar stuff like this (and all of the delayed 
>calendars) wouldn't happen.

Nice attitude.

earache.



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On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Matthew Carl Joffe wrote:

> Ok, if someone out there that knows what they are talking about can answer this
> questoin (mike, kurt?)
> 
> Why do dj's keep dropping off of line ups.  I know that a lot of times that
> promoters put them on the flyers before the contracts are signed, which is a
> bunch of shit.  But i have heard that some dj's (not going to list names) book
> themselves for two parties sometimes and then decide later on which party they
> wish to spin at.  How can this happen, if the dj signs the contract and the
> promoter does their party of getting the down deposit and all that shit,
> couldn't the promoter sue the dj for not honoring the contract.
> 
> I am really curious about this so i ask if someone how knows what they are
> talking about, not just heard about it answer this questoin it would be greatly
> appreciated.  I just have a feeling that it's not always the promoters fault.

It really depends on the situation.  Lots of promoters put djs on the
flyer without having conformation, even without attempting to book the dj.
This, however, is not the case with the reputable, established promoters.
If you see a new production company with tons of big names on the flyer, I
would instantly question the authenticity of the party.  It takes time for
a promoter to gather the necessary contacts and networking to put together
a really huge lineup; it just doesn't happen overnight.  Djs and managers
have become much more picky about with whom the deal.  If you don't have
the necessary creditability them most likely who can't get the booking.
Basically a promoter needs to pay his dues and work up to doing larger
events.

That being said, Chicago is particularily prone to the dj no show
problem.  As for the dj side of things, I have a list of "problem djs"
that don't show alot for one reason or another.  Only twice, have I had a
headliner not show without just cause.  Doc Martin and Odi are the only
two that have not shown in 4 years ( I have a few no shows from illness,
weather, and airline snafus - those things do happen and are beyond
anyone's control).  Doc just blew off the gig to stay in LA and play his
friends B-day party and Odi is just a punk bitch who cancelled a booking
the day before an event to play somewhere else for more money.

In regards to contracts, sometimes you have them sometimes you don't?   If
I know the dj personally, I usually don't require contracts.  Even with
the English talent I bring over, a verbal contract is enough, but then
again I have a really good agent in the UK who trusts me and takes care of
things for me.  This would not be the case for most people.  When I use
other agents, I require contracts; like I said it all depends on the
circumstances.

I hope this helps you out somewhat.

tim 
evolution productions



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	This is in response ta Jeff's letter that he wrote.
	First of all....I dont wanna sound rude, mean, or start some sort
of "e-mail fight" or whatever....but, you say that youre looking forward
ta "our" techno being commercialized.  I think youre nuts for wanting
this.  But since i also believe EVERYONE is entitled ta their own opinion
and views on things, im gonna state my reasons on why i think youre nuts
for wanting this.

> 
> to reiterate once again, for most of you, "your" techno or "your" raves will
> soon not be "yours" anymore.  
> 
> i, personally, am looking foreward to it.

	Now, i think all of us out there understand and realize that it
is inevitable for "our" raves ta not be "ours" anymore.  This has been
happening in Chi-Town for a few years now.  I think most of the old
partiers will agree with me upon this.  I remember going ta parties for
$5, $8 and there was a really strong, positive vibe going.  The people
were nice, we didnt have ta put up with all this promotion bull shit that
we deal with now. 
	Anyways.....Then I noticed that around 2 ta 3 years ago, we
started getting all these Freshman in high school and younger kids coming(
i remember at a party called "DYNASTY" that this girl brought her younger
sister and 2 of her sisters friends along, they were only in 6th grade!).  
	Im NOT AT ALL DISSING YOUNGER PARTIERS.  I want ta make that
fact clear.  But, I think a lot of people will agree with this part
too..that most of these younger kids that started going got this massive
attitude that they're the shit since they go ta "raves" and most people
out there dont go.  Now, I consider this ta be one of the reasons why the
vibe started going downhill.  
	i stated above that the people used ta be friendly....well, when a
lot of these kids with attitudes started showing up....I met fewer and
fewer people that were friendly and nice.  And I think that everyone out
there will agree with me that its nice and enjoyable ta be at a party
where the people are nice instead of them just being like, "im waay too
cool ta talk with you, ya freak".  
	NOw, ya want this scene ta become mainstream.....If anything, I
think the past DOES teach us something!  Do you really want more of these
kids with attitudes showing up?  
	Now secondly.........Im sure all of us remember when "grunge"
started hitting the airwaves nation wide.  And the "skater" look became
really popular.  Then "grunge" died and it became "alternative" which in
turn became "mainstream" music.  Now, if anyone knew skaters before all of
this happened i think you'll remember that they actually had their own
identity and that most of them didnt like the, lets call them the "newer"
skaters since they thought they were the shit just like our prob. with
a lot of the newer kids going ta our parties.  My point being that, with
"alternative" becoming commercialized, the masses of younger people stole
their identity.  Everyone started wearing the baggier pants and the whole
bit.  And it wasnt because this was "who" the kids were, but they started
dressing and acting that way because its the "cool thing ta do" or be.
Now personally, i consider the way i dress and appear ta be a reflection
of me and my personality.....not because its "cool".
	Now if our scene, or maybe i should say when our scene, becomes
commercialized these kids out there are gonna rob all of us of our
identity.  And some of us wonder why the original skaters have a hard time
with the "newer" ones.  
	Then thirdly and lastly, when music becomes reall popular, ya
start getting these bands with no talent or "good" songs getting popular
just because they sound similar ta well known artists.  Personally...one
of the worst things at parties is when a DJ spins into a track that
totally sucks and no one likes.  
	All of this comprises most of my reasons why our scene shouldnt
become commercialized and why we should keep up the fight ta stay
"underground" and non-commercialized....I dont want our scene that we
built out of nothing ta become trashed because some producer wants ta make
more money more quickly.
	I just wanna say again, that i mean no disrespect ta anyone out
there if ya started partying more recently...I have met some really cool
people out there that still have no clue as ta what a party actually
is...so im not stereotyping anyone.

	Peace and much respect ta EVERYONE out there.


|-)								Erik



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From: Eric C Eberle <eberle@U.Arizona.EDU>
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On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, randy wrote:

> > p.s.  I saw a funny thing on mtv too, simon rex was introing the new prodigy
> > video Firestarter.  And he said...  "ya know if you were to tell the prodigy
> > that their music is techno, ambient, or trip hop they'd get mad at you.
> > Their music is jungle, drum n bass."
> > 
> > Wait a minute!  Isn't the prodigy sort of sound like all those things he
> > says they would give you a beat down for saying?  And Firestarter is
> > definitely not jungle!  And he failed to make the distinction between drum n
> > bass and jungle!  My golly!
> 
> well i'm sure simon rex couldnt make the distinction between drum n bass,
> jungle, and his ass to save his life. hes just reading the teleprompters,
> trying to act like he has a clue...it's really the programmers at mtv that
> are clueless. and has anyone else noticed how mtv has been overplaying
> Prodigy, Chem Bros, Tricky and Orbital? I think if you look at the fact
> that they have labeled Firestarter and Setting Sun "Buzz Clips" (barf),
> and now have Amp, which is a full hour of electronic music, and are
> starting to fade out a lot of generic 'alternative' rock videos from their
> rotation, it looks like mtv is trying to make electronic music the next
> big fad. not that that is horrible, but it is simply mtv moving on to the
> next trend they think will make them the most money in the immediate
> future.
>  
>  randy / pr0zac
> 
> 
I read in some mainstream music mag like Spin or Rolling stone about the
state of music and how the record companies/MTV etc are trying to make
techno type electronic music the next big thing...seems guitar based
mallternitive music like Gin Blossims etc is on the way out, seattle is
still dead, as is metal, so I think we in the underground communities must
brace ourselves for even more mainstream commercilizaition of underground
music.

---------------------- 
Eric C Eberle 
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well, here's how I deal with mainstreaming of techno:

I don't watch mtv and don't listen to the radio.

honestly though, techno could've become as popular as Pearl Jam 5 months
ago and chances are I wouldn't know.  The radio just won't come in where I
live, and I've never had any interest in 'music television.'  

So am I considered underground because I have my head up my ass?

chrisE!


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On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, dErEk wrote:

> 
>         well this sign story is going to be short. It was a couple of years
> ago I went on a road trip with one of my friends.  For some reason we would
> stop at all the historical markers along the highway. We came to this marker
> reading "Major Dick Bong" It said he was some flying ace in WW1. but thats
> all i have to say
> 
> 
	this is the dude who the "bong rec area" is named after

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> > a little difficult to dance to, I really like the music. I was wondering if
> > anyone else likes Happy Hardcore, and what cd's anyone could recommend.

i'd recommend everything i have that's happy hardcore, i like
all of it:

speed limit 140bpm+ vol. 2 + 8
history of our world pt 1
a mix tape by d.cypol (no title) with d.cypol + bass clown tagteam
  acid house/funky breaks on the other side
irontale by drc has some happy hardcore on it
pep assembly by d.cypol
(i think that's everthing)


> What is it, like distortion box gabber type shit?  Does it sound angry?
> Do they swear alot?  I've never seen that comp but I have a really good
> hardcore comp called Industrial Fuckin' Strength, it's got like D.O.A. and
> Delta Nine and some other shit.  It's 2 cds for like $18.

no no no :]! ok how to describe it...(history lesson here) jungle
& happy hardcore both originated from breakbeat (back around 90 or
91, is that right?), but happy hardcore is generally somewhat
faster than jungle but not as fast as gabber, about 160-170bpm. it
never sounds angry, just happy--hence the name!--& crazy. it tends
to have beats like jungle usually + like hardcore sometimes, but
the music part is like house sped way up. it tends to have lots of
singing + pianos + shit. way fun to dance to, never gives out a
bad vibe, never gets boring, + it's got lots + lots of energy. 
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Does anyone remember the sign on the way south from Io3?  The HUGE coca
cola sign?
It said  "R U on E"  It had a picture of a gas fuel gage and it was on the
Empty E so I guess it was referring to that.  But perhaps we all laughed
our asses off cuz we were kinda cracked out/afterparty thing.
In any case, does anyone still know if it's up there?  okay. take care
peace out
Allyson



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argh
ive seen this "mainstream" thing come up both here and 313 like clockwork. evey
year we get into this big huge battle and i sit quiet and just delete delete
delete. ive seperated things so you can pick yo topic.
FIRST THE YOUNGER CROWD THANG. we were all young once if i remember, i dont
care how 'old school' you are. there was a time when we walked into parties and
didnt know what the fuck was going on. BUT some of slowly educated ourselves
about the music and the propah way of behaving ourselves at these type of
junctions and smacked an old school label on ourselves and became newbie
snobs.im not saying that there arent some that id like to whack upside the head
and go 'what are you thinkin?.BUT we must educate and take the new ones under
neath our humble wings. teach them, dont treat them like like creeps.when i was
new i wanted so bad to hang with the crowd that knew what they were doing and
new about the music. i dont know everything yet (ive told ED i wish i could
plug my brain into his and just suck everything out),but i am now one of those
ppl i wanted to hang with back then and now i find myself educating.very weird.
but try it.i think that there is an age limit, but thats only b/c of the
drugs.i disagree with a twelve or foutreen year old walking into a bathroom at
a party and seeing a line of something snorted or something swallowed. children
are eager to grow up,why must we push them more by putting unknown things
infront of them? innocence is beautiful, let them treasure for the short time
they can.

THE PROMOTER THING.well im an advertising/pr major so much complaints wont be
coming from me. you may not relize it but this nation,for a long time, has
revolved around convincing ppl and winning opinions.granted, some of the BS
that goes on is childish and stupid. but if you dont like them, then dont
support them!!!!!!!!!!

THIS MAINSTREAM THING? could someone please define 'mainstream' for me and
while you are at could you please define 'normal' because i  really havent
heard a convincing concrete definition of either yet.look, the way i see it
yeah grunge and rock went 'big' but there are still the smaller independent
bands and labels and this, i believe, will go the same for techno. its like we
are all watching it, waiting for it to explode in our faces like some musical
time bomb. i think that there is the capability of 'smaller' labels working
like professional ones (+8) and then there will be the labels that stay totally
small and the ones that are geared more torwards a greater audience.power to
them all.its a matter of staying true to you and what you want to do with what
you love. me,like any college student, are worried about getting a job with
what i love, which is music, no matter how big or small. we sit here and dog
Kenny Larkin for playing May Day or Juan for doing this for this big company.
ill say what an artist said to me once. there is no life insurance plan that
comes with 2 technics, no contract that you will last in the business forever,
no retirement or dental plan either. its a game of survivial and doing what you
love to do,the music.if someone thinks you are good and wants to pay you money
for something you created so that you can live the life you've always wanted of
coarse you are going to take the opportunity. they arent selling their souls to
the devil.and as long as they keep making music and our bodies groovin, who are
we to critisize. last time i remember its these ppl who we critisize who have
the life alot of us would love to have.

  -- WHAT ITS ABOUT: to me,at the core, its about the music. at the surface its
about all the differant angles and perspectives the music creates around you.

SO ENOUGH. lets not go in this circle any longer.
flames and replys welcome privately.

*loud and clear*
Diana

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>i just picked up the new Daft Punk lp, "Homework" on Virgin Records today.
>It is slammin!  Now, the point of this message is not to talk about how
>great the record is because most of us know that most of everything that
>Daft Punk or it's better half Thomas Bangalter has put out slams anyway.
>The point of this message is for all of you to get it through your heads
>that techno music *will* break through this year to the masses.  

also picked this up today.  I didn't think I'd like it but its too 
twisted and fun to pass up.  someone else mentioned to me "oh, yeah this 
is the one to blow up huge...." 
ummm.  the reason the album is good is the hard electronics mixed with 
the wacked disco samples.   I don't think that will go down in the US 
mainstream.   Keep looking to prodigy and orbital for mainstream 
sucesses.   Worse yet, look for rock persona instant electronic bands to 
start popping up right now.....  Then you better have prayed it really 
was Moby and Prodigy who made the mainstream.
but Daft Punk ?  With a record that starts with an invocation to chicago 
house and detroit / nyc techno innovators ?   c'mon, this is one for 
people like us to like.  Josh Wink has a better chance of blowing up huge.

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>	NOw, ya want this scene ta become mainstream.....If anything, I
>think the past DOES teach us something!  Do you really want more of these
>kids with attitudes showing up?  

well, in my opinion, about 80% of kids i see already have these attitudes.
it can't get much worse.

>	Then thirdly and lastly, when music becomes reall popular, ya
>start getting these bands with no talent or "good" songs getting popular
>just because they sound similar ta well known artists.  

i find trouble distinguishing one house track from another already, don't
you? :)

>	All of this comprises most of my reasons why our scene shouldnt
>become commercialized and why we should keep up the fight ta stay
>"underground" and non-commercialized....I dont want our scene that we
>built out of nothing ta become trashed because some producer wants ta make
>more money more quickly.

this is exactly my point.  it is a *losing* battle.  it's already
commercialized, just not to the point where you see and hear it everyday.
but don't worry, that will be here soon :).

let's put it this way: i'd rather give my money to Camel and know that the
night will run smoothly without an early halt and i will get what is on the
flyer rather than risk giving my money to countless drug-dealing promoters
who do not fulfull their promises.  eventually, they will be wiped away by
these corprate large scale events because *they* will deliver and the
promoters will still not be as trustworthy.

--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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i got the new daft punk lp today too!  <damn, they musta made a lotta money
today :P>

and this album is GREAT.  but i don't think it's going to go mainstream. 
someone mentioned it being a big label.

virgin records is big here... but this album IS an import from germany.  i
don't believe that it's on virgin usa.  i could be wrong, but MINE is imported.
 so... i dunno.  and there's so many style changes on the album, i don't think
it'll blow up.  i have to agree with chris s. on this one.

jon/dica

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i have to agree with the people who had points about techno still having an
underground when it goes mainstream.

however, i have to agree with erik.  mainstreaming is going to be really shit
for a lot of us.  hopefully we can all stay positive about it and maybe stay
underground <is that too elitist for everyone?  sorry.  :P>  i've kinda watched
it slowly mainstream itself... and i personally don't think it's gonna stay in
the spotlight very long.  however, i could be wrong.  i just wish that
mainstream could leave well enough alone and stop exploiting things.  but it's
all about money i spose... which sucks.  money is dumb.  sure, i wish i had
more.  but ya know what i mean.  i hope.  :P

jon/dica

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CS> well, here's how I deal with mainstreaming of techno:
CS> 
CS> I don't watch mtv and don't listen to the radio.
CS> 
CS> honestly though, techno could've become as popular as Pearl Jam 5
CS> months ago and chances are I wouldn't know.  The radio just won't
CS> come in where I live, and I've never had any interest in 'music
CS> television.'  
CS> 
CS> So am I considered underground because I have my head up my ass?

i'm with chris.  yeah, i basically do the same thing.  i bet a lot of us do. 
there's just no point for me to listen to the radio most of the time because
i've been listening to almost all electronic music lately, and it just doesn't
get play.  plus madison radio sucks.  so.

as for mtv, whenever i turn it on once in a while, some non- music shit like
road rules is on.  so i turn it off again.  i CAN say that i've seen part of
the prodigy video, and the whole chem. bros. video... and i think they were
very well filmed videos.  the songs were better than most mtv stuff, but not
something i'd consider greatness.  i WOULD like to see/tape mtv's amp still. 
can someone please tell me a definite time <Central Standard, please> when it's
on so i can set up my vcr or something?!?  thank you.  mail me back privately,
or waste space on the list if you like.  :P

jon/dica

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>virgin records is big here... but this album IS an import from germany.  i
>don't believe that it's on virgin usa.  i could be wrong, but MINE is imported.
> so... i dunno.  and there's so many style changes on the album, i don't think
>it'll blow up.  i have to agree with chris s. on this one.

this was not the point of my post.  i made it clear that i may be completely
off on this.  the point is, if they don't someone else will.  anyway,
another thing to consider is just the fact that such a large label had
interest and is suppporting them!  and don't think for a second that it
won't be released domestically within the year.

anyhow, about chris's response about expecting the prodigy or someone else
to blow up, i have considered that as old news.  they are all over mtv, the
magazines, and news reports.  the same goes for the chemical brothers.

i was speaking of techno that you normally only hear at parties.  i mean,
all of us has heard Daft Punk or Thomas Bengalter a bazillion times last
year.  but i consider the prodigy or the chemical brothers to be something
completely different.  sure they will be dubbed "techno" by the media, but i
was talking more about "techno" as we know it.  still others only consider
"techno" to be a certain style, mainly stemming from detroit and select uk
and european producers.  basically i've jsut created a big fat mess and i'm
beginning to regret it.  :P

--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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From: Eric C Eberle <eberle@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: Greta Baxstrom <gbaxstro@kent.edu>
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On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> 
> > > a little difficult to dance to, I really like the music. I was wondering if
> > > anyone else likes Happy Hardcore, and what cd's anyone could recommend.
> 
> i'd recommend everything i have that's happy hardcore, i like
> all of it:
> 
> speed limit 140bpm+ vol. 2 + 8
> history of our world pt 1
> a mix tape by d.cypol (no title) with d.cypol + bass clown tagteam
>   acid house/funky breaks on the other side
> irontale by drc has some happy hardcore on it
> pep assembly by d.cypol
> (i think that's everthing)
> 
> 
> > What is it, like distortion box gabber type shit?  Does it sound angry?
> > Do they swear alot?  I've never seen that comp but I have a really good
> > hardcore comp called Industrial Fuckin' Strength, it's got like D.O.A. and
> > Delta Nine and some other shit.  It's 2 cds for like $18.
> 
> no no no :]! ok how to describe it...(history lesson here) jungle
> & happy hardcore both originated from breakbeat (back around 90 or
> 91, is that right?), but happy hardcore is generally somewhat
> faster than jungle but not as fast as gabber, about 160-170bpm. it
> never sounds angry, just happy--hence the name!--& crazy. it tends
> to have beats like jungle usually + like hardcore sometimes, but
> the music part is like house sped way up. it tends to have lots of
> singing + pianos + shit. way fun to dance to, never gives out a
> bad vibe, never gets boring, + it's got lots + lots of energy. 
> -- 

Ok, cool.  I totally know the music your talking about and its dope, Happy
Hardcore huh, I'll definatly check that comp out.


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Just to reply to 1 part of your letter...  Your absolutly right on the
age thing, everyone has to start
somewhere...hell, I'm 21 now and I've only been going to partys for about
4-5 years...I wish I knew about and had hookups to go to partys when I was
12 or 13, I didn't have shit 2 do.  People get older and they forget what
it's like to be an early teenager.  Hell, I know 15-17 year olds who are
way more mature, etc than friends of mine in their 20s.  When this new
generation of youngsters who have been going to partys since their
pre-teens grows up they will probably and hopefully be cool and take the
scene to new levels.  Every generation gets stagnent and needs the next to
kick it in the ass.

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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Jeff Stern wrote:
> anyhow, about chris's response about expecting the prodigy or someone else
> to blow up, i have considered that as old news.  they are all over mtv, the
> magazines, and news reports.  the same goes for the chemical brothers.

*sigh* just a sidenote on this discussion of the eventual mainstreaming of
electronic music, I read today in a daily music news report that The
Prodigy are in talks with the promotion team for Lollapalooza for a slot
on this summer's tour. I can just see it now...all the kidz that were into
Green Day a couple of years back are suddenly going to become instant
"ravers". I also saw an ad tonight for the hatchet job 20/20 is going to
be running on the rave scene this friday... "Its friday night, do you know
where your kids are? Hope it's not a rave, which are drug filled all night
frenzies" or something like that [cut to scene of raver collapsed]. Gee,
don't you just love the media?
 
 randy / pr0zac


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Release

since our space and both of out backup spaces fell though ...we apologize.  
so we have decided to move it to our home.....
we have also decided to change the price for this inconvenience.
the cost is 5 dollars or 3 dollars with pasta donation
or nifty stuff   ;)

all of the djs are still spinning.........
lineup

10 pm- midnite   Dan Efex
midnite - 1ish   arduous nucleus (live techno 
                 performance by matter)
1ish - 2:30      Cylert
2:30 - 3:30      Mark Dienger
3:30 - 4:30      Chris Power
4:30 - ????      Shira Khan
???? - ????      open tables...there are already some 
                 who have asked...everyone is welcome 
                 spin on a first come first serve basis
                 
plus we will be having a community pasta dinner on Saturday afternoon 
(around 11-noon)  

now for the directions

if you have a web browser use http://www.mapquest.com and use city to 
city   then for everyone else find your way to I-74 and head East if 
you are west of indiana or West if you are east of Illinois. Then go
a few miles to Lincoln Street Exit....take a right...drive a couple 
of miles to Illinois St.   (This is one block past Green Street which 
is a major intersection)  Turn left.  Go four blocks to 403 W. 
Illinois St.  if you have any problems call us 217.344.3957.
parking:  the is no parking after 3 am in the streets.  If you intend 
on staying a while you are more than welcome to park in our driveway.
Please be kind and quiet in the neighborhood.  They usually do not 
ticket parked cars till around 6 am or so   be be warned this is not 
always true....sometimes they do ticket early.  

from all other points    find your way to I-74 and go from there
 
thank you and we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience

Urban(a) Techno Collective
mike, jeff, tom, and the rest of the Urbana/Champaign crew

mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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> I also saw an ad tonight for the hatchet job 20/20 is going to
>be running on the rave scene this friday... "Its friday night, do you know
>where your kids are? Hope it's not a rave, which are drug filled all night
>frenzies" or something like that [cut to scene of raver collapsed]. Gee,
>don't you just love the media?
> 
> randy / pr0zac

At a Dead Kennedy's show some kid was stage diving and broke his neck.  
Jello Biafra stopped the music and made everyone clear a path so the 
paramedics could get in.  While this happened he said to us all "Anarchy 
is about people helping people so the authorities don't have to get 
involved.  Its about taking care of the problems before its an 
institutional issue."   
So why do you expect the media not to report bullshit like drug freak 
outs and heavy drug use in a particular scene ?  Because you think the 
rave scene is currently an innocent and loving one based on music and 
spirituality and that there aren't really that many drugs/fashion 
victims/bullshit ?

My motto for 97 :  do the right thing. 


10-4 over and out good buddy.
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>no no no :]! ok how to describe it...(history lesson here) jungle
>& happy hardcore both originated from breakbeat (back around 90 or
>91, is that right?), but happy hardcore is generally somewhat
>faster than jungle but not as fast as gabber, about 160-170bpm. it
>never sounds angry, just happy--hence the name!--& crazy. it tends
>to have beats like jungle usually + like hardcore sometimes, but
>the music part is like house sped way up. it tends to have lots of
>singing + pianos + shit. way fun to dance to, never gives out a
>bad vibe, never gets boring, + it's got lots + lots of energy. 

It's actually around the same speed as most jump up and I've heard alot of
people mix the two back and forth.

Alot of people seem to confuse happy hardcore with happy gabber (the most
nauseating form of music around - charlie lownoise & mental theo, scott
brown, etc.).  I use to hear alot of people talk crap about happy hardcore
till I give them a practice tape of the truly wicked 4-beat (slipmatt, sy,
dougal, true uk heros) and most people tend to like it - altho some don't
and that's cool.

It's not serious music by any stretch of the imagination and few records
really come through with any sense of intelligence or thoughtfulness in
their creation.  There are a good bunch of records that really do relay that
sense that whoever created it was really concerned with their sound, instead
of pumping out a track strictly for the dance floor.  I would refer you to
luna-c, most - if not all - work on Just Another Label, the old dj SS (the
same as the formation SS) and slipmatt work on Serious records, the deep
deep deep sounds on 4 to the floor and quite a bit on hectic and knite force.

Somehow I get the idea and impression that because most of this work is on
the seriously happy tip and doesn't have that dark angst wretched starving
artist sound it won't really ever be taken more seriously than a cartoon.
Which always made me wonder why depressing music is somehow more "music"
than happy music is.

Anyways steer clear of that dutch crap, that stompy-distorted-recycled
rotterdam record sounding stuff.  I think that stuff really was never meant
to leave the netherlands but somehow escaped ;) j/k

earache.


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>chrisE! (payed $15 to see juan atkins and wasnt all that impressed)

Well, that's because Juan is NOT a good DJ. He is one of the originators
and will always get my respect for that. His tracks may be great. His
selection may be awesome. But, his DJ skills are shameful at best. He draws
a crowd on reputation alone. It makes me wonder if the guy practices
anymore...

this is a point that cannot be argued...sorry


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jeff/stuff (that guy) wrote:

>let's put it this way: i'd rather give my money to Camel and know that the
>night will run smoothly without an early halt and i will get what is on the
>flyer rather than risk giving my money to countless drug-dealing promoters
>who do not fulfull their promises.  eventually, they will be wiped away by
>these corprate large scale events because *they* will deliver and the
>promoters will still not be as trustworthy.

Camel IS a drug-dealing promoter. Are THEY trustworthy? You decide.


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>i got the new daft punk lp today too!  <damn, they musta made a lotta money
>today :P>

Hell yes, they did. That fuckin album is going for $31 on vinyl and $33 on
CD. This is an example of how record companies fuck you over. Yes, they do
pay import taxes which raise the price. But, c'mon. Be serious. The
funniest thing here is the fact that it costs more to produce a single 12
inch record than it does to produce a single compact disk. The Daft Punk LP
is a DOUBLE 12 inch which means they make the biggest profit on CD's.
12inchers are a few dollars each to press and CD's are around a dollar less
each. We are getting screwed, people...enjoy it while you can. I predict
that when the majors accomplish this take-over of theirs, they will once
again revive the whole "vinyl is dead" campaign in an attempt to reap more
profit from the DJ's who will the either stick with the independent labels
or upgrade to CD mixers *choke*.


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>>i just picked up the new Daft Punk lp, "Homework" on Virgin Records today.
>>The point of this message is for all of you to get it through your heads
>>that techno music *will* break through this year to the masses.  

Do you mean that Daft Punk IS techno ?
Well not really, just house with some disco bass and grooves. I was *VERY*
disapointed by their album, in France it's considered as the TECHNO reference!
Wow, how bad could marketing be !

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>this is a point that cannot be argued...sorry

juan has straight rocked the house every single time i've seen him.  so
nyah nyah nyah!  hee hee ;)

seriously tho, i think it's a lot to say his dj skills are "shameful at
best"...so what if he doesn't have all the best tricks in the world?  he
doesn't fuck up!  if he sucked so bad as a dj, he wouldn't continually be
getting booked at huge, international events.  when was the last time *you*
played overseas with lots of other world-class talent?

i, for one, will continue to lose my shit when juan steps to the decks at
whatever party it is.  i find it hard to believe y'all won't be doing the
same...

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
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>12inchers are a few dollars each to press and CD's are around a dollar less
>each.

total production cost for a cd (packaging and all) runs just under $1.50
for a major record company.  now consider that most of these are sold in
mall stores for 14.99-16.99.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
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CS>         That's sorta true....But if it happens, usually its
CS> because the producer didnt really book them, they just wanted ta
CS> get more money.  

and ya know, that's whats FUCKED UP about our scene.  people like that are
making it worse for everyone else.  the promoters who lie and shit on others so
they can get the green.  grr.

jon/dica, who is just kinda pissed off today.

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randy wrote:

R>On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Jeff Stern wrote:
R> anyhow, about chris's response about expecting the prodigy or someone else
R> to blow up, i have considered that as old news.  they are all over mtv, the
R> magazines, and news reports.  the same goes for the chemical brothers.
R>
R>*sigh* just a sidenote on this discussion of the eventual mainstreaming of
R>electronic music, I read today in a daily music news report that The
R>Prodigy are in talks with the promotion team for Lollapalooza for a slot
R>on this summer's tour. I can just see it now...all the kidz that were into
R>Green Day a couple of years back are suddenly going to become instant
R>"ravers".

what's wrong with that?...
i don't know whether the ties that some of us feel towards the music we
love makes it so that we dont WANT anyone else to hear it or what (because
they're not COOL enough??!!) but this is silly. green day kids/dave clarke
kids/kmfdm kids - it's ALL the same. OK - so some of you will disagree
but..

        ...YOU - ARE - WRONG!

you don't OWN the music just because you like it, actually it's more like
IT owns YOU. what difference does it make what KIND of ALTERNATIVE music
that you're into? ALL alternative music is that - for alternative people.
it's JUST a tag that music industry execs put on something to help it sell.
some of you guys are drawing the battle lines in the wrong places. it's
funny how attitudes have changed with the times and opinions have been
swayed like that of lemmings to the meat grinder. but if you wanna think of
somebody as NOT BEING COOL ENOUGH to listen to "our" music then how about
those people who are into country (even though there ARE 'ravers' in
kentucky), or how about people that dig mariah carey or boyz-2-men or the
macarena?

and how about that macarena? dance music RIGHT? shitty, commercial, and
mainstream but dance music RIGHT? that DOES NOT mean that if juan atkins or
the prodigy or atari teenage riot go "mainstream" that their music will go
down the toilet.

        "mainstream" DOES NOT change music - it changes peoples perceptions!

if i see richie hawtin on david letterman then i say people are FINALLY
beginning to see it OUR way. (richie by-the-way just finished remixes for
depeche mode!!! - I CANT FUCKING WAIT!!!!)

randy also wrote:
R> I also saw an ad tonight for the hatchet job 20/20 is going to
R> be running on the rave scene this friday... "Its friday night, do you know
R> where your kids are? Hope it's not a rave, which are drug filled all night
R> frenzies" or something like that [cut to scene of raver collapsed]. Gee,
R> don't you just love the media?

you WILL NOT see this shit ANYMORE when techno hits the mainstream, is on
the radio AND mtv in HEAVY ROTATION, masive mag has a distribution bigger
than rolling stone ( complete with cigarette AND condom ads ) and "raves"
become LEGAL. but don't sweat it, by the time that happens most people in
this list will be older ( with attitudes changed ) and SEE the benfits of
bringing our beautiful "underworld" to the people.


diana wrote:
D> im not saying that there arent some that id like to whack upside the head
D> and go 'what are you thinkin?.BUT we must educate and take the new ones under
D> neath our humble wings. teach them, dont treat them like like creeps.

i agree whole-heartedly with diana on this one and if you're teaching the
newbies that the guy in the 'weezer' shirt is the 'enemy' you haven't got a
fucking clue.

see ya and flame on i guess.
kevy kev.

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On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Professor Earache wrote:

> >well if i was doing the calendar stuff like this (and all of the delayed 
> >calendars) wouldn't happen.
> 
> Nice attitude.

 I think that Mouse should let Kimm do the calendar for a month or two
then. Sounds like she's volunteering for the job...

-Becky 


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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Chris Sattinger wrote:
> So why do you expect the media not to report bullshit like drug freak 
> outs and heavy drug use in a particular scene ?  Because you think the 
> rave scene is currently an innocent and loving one based on music and 
> spirituality and that there aren't really that many drugs/fashion 
> victims/bullshit ?

ha. don't think I am so naive to think that the rave scene is a totally
innocent, loving, spiritually based movement. The fact is there are two
sides to every story, yes it is based on innocent, loving, spiritual
ideals, but there are also lots of 'drugs/fashion victims/bullshit'. The
fact of the matter is 20/20 is NOT going to be reporting both sides of the
story...they are merely running a sensationlized smear piece that is going
to make raves look like the work of the devil: all-night parties with tons
of drugs, loud music, and teenagers dying left and right. If 20/20 aired a
story reporting on rave culture, that is telling what it is about, the
good points and the bad points, I wouldn't have a problem. But who is
going to see this bullshit? PARENTS, CITY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, and
POLICE. They are going to see it and think "My kid is having no part in
that" or "We better be on the lookout for these crazed drug parties". I am
not against media exposure, but I am against something that is going to
give raves a bad rep with the public. This 20/20 piece is not news
reporting, it is half-truthed yellow journalism that is going to influence
the wrong people negatively.
 
   randy / pr0zac


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If you were 20/20, what time would you be airing in Minnesota?  And on what
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*woo hoo*

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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, kevy kev wrote:

> what's wrong with that?...
> i don't know whether the ties that some of us feel towards the music we
> love makes it so that we dont WANT anyone else to hear it or what (because
> they're not COOL enough??!!) but this is silly. green day kids/dave clarke
> kids/kmfdm kids - it's ALL the same. OK - so some of you will disagree
> but..

listen. my point was not that these kidz were not COOL enough to listen to
electronic music, it's just the fact that they will be doing it for the
wrong reasons. LONG ago did the majority of people start listening to a
certain type of music because they actually liked the music. they do it
now to fit into a certain look, a certain scene. they could care less
about the music...as far as they are concerned, its just a vehicle to a
new identity, last year they were skaters, this year they are ravers.
those are the type of people I DONT want in the scene. they bring in the
wrong attitudes...that they are cooler than the other kids just because
they have found a new scene to identify with. I hope, by all means, that
lots of new kidz can find and identify with the rave culture, but for the
right reasons...not because they saw The Prodigy this summer at
lollapalooza and thought it would be cool to look like them and go to
those "rave" things they heard about on MTV. 

> i agree whole-heartedly with diana on this one and if you're teaching the
> newbies that the guy in the 'weezer' shirt is the 'enemy' you haven't got a
> fucking clue.

I guess you misunderstood my post. the only people I think are the enemy
are the ones that are doing it for the wrong reasons. I don't give two
fucks if your wearing a weezer shirt or not, but if you have the wrong
attitude, and are doing the whole rave thing not because you like the
music, the ideals, and the people...but because you want to be cooler than
the other kids who are still listening to 'alternative' rock, then your
the sort of person I dont want around.
 
 randy / pr0zac


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>
>
> seriously tho, i think it's a lot to say his dj skills are "shameful at
> best"...so what if he doesn't have all the best tricks in the world?  he
> doesn't fuck up!  if he sucked so bad as a dj, he wouldn't continually be
> getting booked at huge, international events.  when was the last time *you*
> played overseas with lots of other world-class talent?
> i, for one, will continue to lose my shit when juan steps to the decks at
> whatever party it is.  i find it hard to believe y'all won't be doing the
> same...
>
>   i agree with micheal. i cant beleive some body would be dissin juan, what
next saying that Mad Mike is nothing. this man,Juan, has contributed to the
foundation of techno in the US,check your techno history book folks, juan will
most likely be in the first chapter called 'in the begining'.

we should be thanking him. god it would I only WISH Juan would spin in Detroit
again.maybe people should be aware how lucky they have it.

Diana>


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 from my understanding Perry Ferril has come back to being involoved with
lallapalooza bookings. the man knows music.and if you took a look at over seas,
prodigy stopped being 'underground' a long time ago.

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>seriously tho, i think it's a lot to say his dj skills are "shameful at
>best"...so what if he doesn't have all the best tricks in the world?  he
>doesn't fuck up!
I don't base my assessment of a DJ's skills on his ability to use "tricks".
I do however rate them quite critically on their ability to beat match and
keep a mix from falling apart. Neither of which the DJ in question can
boast about. Juan Atkins is a trainwrecker. He does fuck up. Quite alot
actually.

>if he sucked so bad as a dj, he wouldn't continually be
>getting booked at huge, international events.
Actually, he would (and does) since he gets booked on reputation alone. My
opinion...

>when was the last time *you* played overseas with lots of other
>world-class >talent?
If i WAS playing in europe frequently, i would make sure people were at
least getting their moneys worth.

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>i agree with micheal. i cant beleive some body would be dissin juan, what
>next saying that Mad Mike is nothing. this man,Juan, has contributed to the
>foundation of techno in the US,check your techno history book folks, juan will
>most likely be in the first chapter called 'in the begining'.

You act as if the man is a god. I never dissed the fact that he helped
create techno. I highly respect him in that regard. All i dissed was his
prowess as a DJ. That is, his skill in mixing two records together. Got it?
Read more carefully next time. *sheesh*


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>CS>         That's sorta true....But if it happens, usually its
>CS> because the producer didnt really book them, they just wanted ta
>CS> get more money.
>
>and ya know, that's whats FUCKED UP about our scene.  people like that are
>making it worse for everyone else.  the promoters who lie and shit on others so
>they can get the green.  grr.


maybe you should also hold responsible the dj's who are indeed booked
months in advance w/ a signed contract and up to 50% deposit paid and then
the dj either doesn't show up at all or the dj's who double book themselves
either by mistake or for profit as most dj's that do not show up, in my
experiences, also do not return their deposit......an example, from a party
we threw last year, we booked a certain dj (no names mentioned) from L.A.
around 5 or 6 months in advance, we signed, returned, and fulfilled our end
of the contract, sent him his deposit and plane ticket, and even talk with
him around 1 week before event and was told everythings kewl and good, then
when we went to pickup the dj's from the airport he was supposed to fly
with another dj from L.A., well this other one showed but the one i am
speaking of above was not on the plane....later the one that did come from
L.A. pulled me aside and apologized for not letting me know something
sooner that the dj that didn't show is afraid to fly and has not spun
outside of southern california in 2 years but books himself and receives
deposits from promoters throughout the country on a regular basis but never
shows up....think about how many people attending these parties where he
was supposed to show blamed the promoter and also stopped supporting that
promoter because of this.....just wanted to say that it's not alwayz the
promoters fault, but unfortunatly they take the brunt of the scenes anger,
dont get me wrong i realize that there are wack promoters who do fukked
shit and in no way am i defending them, but i am defending the quality
promoters who throw parties for the right reasons.......a lot of people
think that being a promoter is a glamorous and easy job, this is far from
the truth.....a promoter (who has his shit togather) planz for months,
shells out a lot of cash up front with no guarantee of ever seeing it
again, dealz with asshole managers and booking agents who for the most part
only care about getting their cut, and ten thousand other thingz also,
starts setting up at around 11am the morning of the party and basically
goes non-stop, 24 hours, until around the same time the next day, jumps
through his ass all night long with makng sure the party flowz smoothly,
dealz with 100 different problems coming from 99 different people at once,
and getz called to the front door every 5 mintues because someone is
demanding that they should be on the guest list and wantz to speak with the
promoter only to find that person is full of shit and just trying to
bullshit his way in, then pulls a roll of 20 dollar bills from his pocket
(probably from slinging drugz while waiting) and gives up his $15 and then
talks shit about the promoter because he actually had to pay to get into a
party and his lies failed.......anyway i will end this, i just wanted to
let people know that promoters are not gods and cannot perform miracles
(not alwayz anyway), so before you go dragging a promoterz name through the
mud, attempt to find out the truth, instead of listening to your best
friends cousins boyfriend who is probably the same guy who was trying to
bullshit his way in the party and failed.....this is not meant as flame
material and definently DOES NOT apply to all promoters, but the few of us
who are out there trying to perpetuate a scene based on the music and love
for the ideals upon which it was built (i.e. peace, love, unity, respect, &
honesty) do not need the negativity eminating from a rumor, lie, or just
plain ignorance to the real facts......the most rewarding profit i get out
of a party is smiling, happy people and a vibe so thick you have to have a
tow truck pull you to cross the room.....peace and i'm outty

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>On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Chris Sattinger wrote:
>> So why do you expect the media not to report bullshit like drug freak
>> outs and heavy drug use in a particular scene ?  Because you think the
>> rave scene is currently an innocent and loving one based on music and
>> spirituality and that there aren't really that many drugs/fashion
>> victims/bullshit ?


not really a reply to chris sattinger but just some random shit thoughts by
da bLiTzter:

i think that people should realize that drug use has been from the
beginning, is, and will be as long as it exists, an integral part of the
scene......i am not saying that all should do drugz but more a personal
choice....i really get sick of hearing straight edges and the like bitch
about how they think that there should not be drugz and such at a party,
that is so selfish and agreed that someone that uses drugz and infringes on
another because of this use is also selfish......also when people talk
about how it annoyed them that they were offered drugz by 20 different
people in one night, well what about me having to listen to these same
people bitch about it and lump all drug users/sellers into the same
category and condemn them, that annoys me.....you know i have watched and
decided that everyone is an addict of something whether it be the
narrow-minded caffiene junkie, more commonoly called a coffee drinker, to
the skid-row dwelling smack slammer, to the bluerazzberry blo pop sugar
addicted chicago glitter bitch.......hmmmmm actually i think today i am
addicted to bitching about bitching bitches......whatya think about
that????

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	I have ta agree with randy on this one......I tried ta make the
fact clear that i wasnt dissing these newer partygoers (To all of my HATE
MAIL FRIENDS OUT THERE, in response ta my letter on Jeff's wanting ta
mainstream our scene).  But i do have ta agree.....most kids out there in
the US are followers and think that if they take on a new style just like
everybody else that theyre going ta be "cool" like everyone else....or
just because "its the cool thing ta do".........I know i sure as hell dont
want these kids (see above so there aint any confusion as to what i menat
by "these kids") going ta partys!  Theyre just going ta end up bringing in
more of these kids and its just downhill from there.....nuff said.


On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, randy wrote:

> 
> listen. my point was not that these kidz were not COOL enough to listen to
> electronic music, it's just the fact that they will be doing it for the
> wrong reasons. LONG ago did the majority of people start listening to a
> certain type of music because they actually liked the music. they do it
> now to fit into a certain look, a certain scene. they could care less
> about the music...as far as they are concerned, its just a vehicle to a
> new identity, last year they were skaters, this year they are ravers.
> those are the type of people I DONT want in the scene. they bring in the
> wrong attitudes...that they are cooler than the other kids just because
> they have found a new scene to identify with. I hope, by all means, that
> lots of new kidz can find and identify with the rave culture, but for the
> right reasons...not because they saw The Prodigy this summer at
> lollapalooza and thought it would be cool to look like them and go to
> those "rave" things they heard about on MTV. 



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Erinaceous -Leafy Spurge- wrote:
> 
> If you were 20/20, what time would you be airing in Minnesota?  And on what
> network or channel?
> Thanks, kids.  See you at TRAINWRECKING!  <???>
> 
> *woo hoo*
> 
> Always,
> Erin
> (aka Erinaceous; She-Ra, Princess of Power; Judith; Aeon Flux;
>  Bambi Eyes; Ern; Antichrist; Slacker Vixen...the list goes on
>  and on.  Which one do *you* know?)
> ;-}
> 
>  ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***
>  If you wish to glimpse inside a human soul and get to know an individual,
>  don't bother analyzing one's way of being silent, of talking, of weeping,
>  of seeing how much he or she is moved by noble ideas; you will get better
>  results if you just watch a person laugh. If one laughs well, one is a
>  good person.
>  ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***
> 
> *ring* *ring*
>       "Hello?"
> "Hey, kettle?"
>       "Yes?"
> "This is Phil.  I just called to tell you you're black."
> *click*
>                         -Ang, observing a converation between Phil and me
> 
> "...Come with me, where chains will never bind you.  All your grief at last, at
> last behind you . . . take my hand and lead me to salvation.  Take my love, for
> love is everlasting.  And remember, the truth that once was spoken:
> To Love Another Person Is To See The Face Of God!"
>                         -LesMiserables


you would be airing at 9:00 two hours before trainwrecking :)

Lisa CrazyGrrl ;p

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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Diana Lynn Potts wrote:

>  from my understanding Perry Ferril has come back to being involoved with
> lallapalooza bookings. the man knows music.and if you took a look at over seas,
> prodigy stopped being 'underground' a long time ago.
> 
> Diana --

Damn right...if I'm not mistaken Jilted Generation is the best selling
electronic album of all time, well over a million copys...They are even on
a Playstation game I got called Whipeout XL... 


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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Chris Sattinger wrote:
   
> So why do you expect the media not to report bullshit like drug freak 
> outs and heavy drug use in a particular scene ?  Because you think the 
> rave scene is currently an innocent and loving one based on music and 
> spirituality and that there aren't really that many drugs/fashion 
> victims/bullshit ?
> 

    I think that we all expect the media to report on the drug use at
parties, but that doesn't mean that we have to like it.  When the media
portrays our parties, they tend to center on the drug use and leave out
all the good that comes out of raving.  Do they report on the postive and
caring atmosphere that Raves create?  Do they report on PLUR or the vibe?
No. They leave out what actually makes a Rave a Rave.  It's all about
misportrayal and what sells.
    And yes I do think that the rave scene is an innocent and loving one
based on music and spirituality.  I don't think that drug use in any way
makes the scene less innocent.  These people aren't drug addicts that are
stealing and killing to get their fix.  They aren't out on the streets or
on the playground trying to corrupt today's youth.  They recreationally
use (not abuse) drugs. When you go to a Rave, there isn't pressure to do
drugs.  You do them if you want to do them.  
    I would have no problem with the media doing a report on raving if
they portrayed the scene fairly, but let's face it.... It probably won't
happen.
    	         
             Much respect to all,
                 Peggy


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ok, for the last time, 
Does  anybody know the *rock-bottom* cheapest-ass place to get new 1200's?
This includes non-mail-order type places...in whatever ghetto in 
north america.... i've heard good things about certain Best 
Buys...can anybody affirm that?

thanks n stuff,
blender

ps. btw, after a good 2 months of not being on the list, i am back 
again...Hello! 

pss. does anybody know Sho's email addy?

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OK people... we've all heard the coversation over and over again. Anytime
"ravers" get into a conversation away from the sound systems, it's about
the same goddamn thing.

Think of it this way:

For me and a few of my friends I've grown up with, Star Wars has been a
big part of our lives. It's where I first learned about "the force", and
belief systems outside of Christianity. That shit stuck with me throughout
my life (so far), and IMHO, has made my life a much more exciting
existance. Yoda, Ben, Luke, and Darth are always there with me. It's not
so much the story, it's the SPIRIT. Now, all of a sudden, Star Wars is
blowing up again. It has become commercialized. A slick media frenzy built
on greed and everything we hate about modern culture.

So do I stop thinking about Star Wars? Does Star Wars stop being a part of
my life??

HELL NO!!

I ignore the media, I ignore radio and television. They offer nothing to
me. Will I go see the new movies? Hell yes!! Will I buy every little
new figure or spaceship or comic book that comes out? Hell no!!

When all the buzz about Star Wars dies... it will still be a part of me.

It's about spirit folks, either you got it, or you don't. So what if our
precious raves get big? You can either go to smaller parties, or you can
use what you've learned about peace, love, unity, respect, truth, honesty,
compassion, etc, etc, to educate all these lost souls that will be coming
in. Raves (for me, anyway) have always been a big classroom, both for me
and the people I'm with. Does a teacher get sick of her class and stop
teaching?? No, she gets more dedicated. If you understand spirit, energy
and all that metaphysical stuff, you know that all these lost souls are
just manifestations of our own weaknesses and problems. We owe it to them
to live the life of truth, love, honesty, and respect. Life by example,
not by complaining.

It all comes down to expectations.

If you go anywhere and expect the people around you to give you a good
time, a good party, etc., you WILL be disappointed. All this love and
energy comes from within. Expect nothing of others. Expect nothing of
yourself, just be in the moment and get what you can out of life. It's
kinda weird when I go to a party and have the time of my life, and
everyone else I'm with has a so so time. It all comes from within.


So when that monster lineup comes to town with all the big headliners, and
EmptyVee, and Montain Spew sponsoring, either go and have the time of your
life, or don't go. Just don't bitch about it. No one cares. Anger and
frustration went out when Sid died.

Any planetary movement of this magnitude will take time. Be patient.
Keep the spirit. We will overcome.   ;)

j-Sun <---- (stepping off soapbox)

ps.-- that planetary alignment yesterday ---  :)


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HEY BLENDER, GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK!!!!

Are you coming to Louisville for Urban Warriors???

Come to the Mello Mansion before if you are. Visit me, disa, and my
prophecy!


love and hugs...

j-Sun


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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, blender wrote:

> Does  anybody know the *rock-bottom* cheapest-ass place to get new 1200's?
> This includes non-mail-order type places...in whatever ghetto in 
> north america.... i've heard good things about certain Best 
> Buys...can anybody affirm that

most best buy's barely ever have any 1200s in stock and most best buy's 
[at least the madison area ones] also have a waiting list to get 1200's.  i 
talked to a friend that works at best buy and he said that just about all the 
stores do not have any in stock and that there prolly won't be any in 
soon cause best buy hasn't ordered any of them from technics.  best buy 
might be discontinuing or something but i doubt it.

people who work at a best buy can buy anything in the store for $5 
dollars over invoice.  so, if you had a friend that worked there you 
could have them buy 1200s for you for around $200 and some odd dollars a 
piece!!!

oh well, with the luck i've been having finding cheap 1200s best buy will 
prolly discontinue 'em.

                      [brent.t]
______________________________________________________________________
brent theisen                                      brentt@onlineuw.org 
                                       http://www.onlineuw.org/~brentt 
madison, wi 
608.221.4641



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	Does anyone out there have Hyperactive's "Hardcore Will Never Die"
tape?  Mine just got eaten up by my tapeplayer!  JUst curious as to know
if anyone out there wanted ta sell one, or if possible tape it if i sent
them a tape or somethin like that.....

	Peace and much respect

|-)								Erik



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matter wrote:
> 
> I have heard a rumor that Derrick May will not be at Unified...
> 
> Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

I heard that, too... and thought I saw a post here as well, and that
said he wasn't.
 I might be wrong, but thats what I remember.

mike

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Subject: Re: dissin juan? (fwd)
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>
> >i agree with micheal. i cant beleive some body would be dissin juan, what
> >next saying that Mad Mike is nothing. this man,Juan, has contributed to the
> >foundation of techno in the US,check your techno history book folks, juan wil
l > >most likely be in the first chapter called 'in the begining'.
>
> You act as if the man is a god. I never dissed the fact that he helped
> create techno. I highly respect him in that regard. All i dissed was his
> prowess as a DJ. That is, his skill in mixing two records together. Got it?
> Read more carefully next time. *sheesh*
>
>  ok Jason, you 'flamed' me back publicly, so now ill respond publicaly (next
time do it privately to spare the hole list). if you knew me, you would know
that the last thing I am for is the putting of DJs on stupid pedistals, because
eventually they just fall down. More say I am for the respect of them, which is
not very often givin. we sit here and say 'oh i love this music' yet ppl are so
quick to pick apart and disect djs to the very last beat. last time i looked we
were all human on this earth, therefore we all make mistakes. maybe you go by
some other name in music but last time i heard you werent producing anything
and probabbly not making any mistakes on the tables or being globally booked
either. everyone has bad days, yes ppl, even big name DJs. suprise! lay off, no
body is jumping on your back, ppl are just responding with thier thoughts.take
it as that, and no more.

Diana




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Hey all you out there in the always cheery, never precocious, mw-raves land!
I have been away for quite some time and have missed all of my old friends
here and cant wait to make new ones.  I have been busy with Osiris7 (randy)
with our new coffee house, The Buzz Cup and are doing well.  To all of my
old pals, drop me a line so we can talk.<----HION

         604*604*604*GOA TRANCE FOR YOUR SOUL604*604*604


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>Hell yes, they did. That fuckin album is going for $31 on vinyl and $33 on
>CD.

Its 22$ on vinyl in mpls.

10-4 over and out good buddy.
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>thoughts by
>da bLiTzter:
>
>i think that people should realize that drug use has been from the
>beginning, is, and will be as long as it exists, an integral part of the
>scene......


Yeah I was going to add to my post that our original intention was to 
HAVE AN ALL NIGHT MUSIC AND  DRUG FRENZY.  We have acheived that.   And 
while I support and condone hedonism, when the benefits of that behavior 
go past the mark and result in a scene that exists in a permantly drugged 
state...  that's not freedom, that's not experiementation, its not 
growth.   its a rut.  

10-4 over and out good buddy.
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>    And yes I do think that the rave scene is an innocent and loving one
>based on music and spirituality.  I don't think that drug use in any way
>makes the scene less innocent.  These people aren't drug addicts that are
>stealing and killing to get their fix.  They aren't out on the streets or
>on the playground trying to corrupt today's youth.  They recreationally
>use (not abuse) drugs. When you go to a Rave, there isn't pressure to do
>drugs.  You do them if you want to do them.  
>    I would have no problem with the media doing a report on raving if
>they portrayed the scene fairly, but let's face it.... It probably won't
>happen.
>    	         
>             Much respect to all,
>                 Peggy

ah, innocence.  I suppose you are lucky enough to hang out in a certain 
circle of people who have responsible drug use.  You might not have 
noticed or experienced the depths of the scene.  Some scary shit is going 
down on a regular basis.   I occasionally use drugs, and quite 
responsibly thank you.  I have many friends who do also, but they are in 
the vast minority in the scene.  We have had some scary tragedies up here 
in mpls.    We have loads of coke and meth obsessed kids who don't even 
really know what's going on with the music and  spend most of their time 
talking about and doing drugs.  Drug ABUSE is rampant.  We've had heroin 
creeping in every once and a while.  truth.    

10-4 over and out good buddy.
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Chris Sattinger 
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cjc wrote:

>So do I stop thinking about Star Wars? Does Star Wars stop being a part of
>my life??
>
>HELL NO!!
>
>I ignore the media, I ignore radio and television. They offer nothing to
>me. Will I go see the new movies? Hell yes!! Will I buy every little
>new figure or spaceship or comic book that comes out? Hell no!!

i FULLY agree - except i probably WILL buy all the new toys...

may the force be with you.
kevy kev.

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From: "Chris Goddard" <djbuff@imperium.net>
To: "blender" <RUNKLE@centre.edu>, <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>
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welcome back! as for best buy the got 1200s, most of em got em in stock or
some of em, they're about 550 each. i've seen em at a mail order place for
475 ,in dj times, i think, i forget the name of the place.

peace and love..oh yeah.UR too
chris

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> From: blender <RUNKLE@centre.edu>
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
> Subject: that tired old question
> Date: Friday, January 24, 1997 2:18 PM
> 
> ok, for the last time, 
> Does  anybody know the *rock-bottom* cheapest-ass place to get new
1200's?
> This includes non-mail-order type places...in whatever ghetto in 
> north america.... i've heard good things about certain Best 
> Buys...can anybody affirm that?
> 
> thanks n stuff,
> blender
> 
> ps. btw, after a good 2 months of not being on the list, i am back 
> again...Hello! 
> 
> pss. does anybody know Sho's email addy?

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>
>    I think that we all expect the media to report on the drug use at
>parties, but that doesn't mean that we have to like it.  When the media
>portrays our parties, they tend to center on the drug use and leave out
>all the good that comes out of raving.  Do they report on the postive and
>caring atmosphere that Raves create?  Do they report on PLUR or the vibe?
>No. They leave out what actually makes a Rave a Rave.  It's all about
>misportrayal and what sells.

The news is _always_ going to center on the negative over the positive. It
is what sells. I'm not saying that this is right, but at the same time
another function of the media is to inform the viewers about something that
might be potentially dangerous whether that be poor weather conditions,
violence in schools, murders, etc.  It seems to me that when these stations
are reporting on the negative aspects of raves what they are doing is in
fact warning the general public about something that could be dangerous.
This is not to say that they are not exploiting the issue to gain ratings
because, as we all know, this too is the case. But as Lucy pointed out in a
post about this issue a few months ago, let's be honest with ourselves.
Most of the things that the news reports about raves are not gross
generalizations. The drugs in our scene are EVERYWHERE and in generous
supply.

>    And yes I do think that the rave scene is an innocent and loving one
>based on music and spirituality.  I don't think that drug use in any way
>makes the scene less innocent.  These people aren't drug addicts that are
>stealing and killing to get their fix.  They aren't out on the streets or
>on the playground trying to corrupt today's youth.  They recreationally
>use (not abuse) drugs. When you go to a Rave, there isn't pressure to do
>drugs.  You do them if you want to do them.

At a basic level the rave scene might be innocent and loving and based on
music and spirituality, but that is only an ideal. For many people around,
they don't give a shit about the music or the spirituality, they want to
get dressed up, fucked up, and socialize.  And to be honest, the more
parties I go to, the more obvious this is. Drug use in this scene ranges on
a continuum. THere are people who are recreational drug users, there are
people who are somewhere in the middle, and then there are people who abuse
their bodies, exploit their friends, their families, their values and their
souls for drugs. To deny this is just plain naive. Perhaps you haven't seen
it, sometimes we don't want to see it. But when you open your eyes and
really take a good look at what is going on here, it can be very sad.
There _are_ people in our scene who _do_ steal, cheat, and deceive their
way to get what they want. The media is only latching on to this particular
portrayal of our scene. With any issue that appears in the news, the media
is going to focus on the extremes, not the middle of the continuum.  I no
longer feel angry when I hear of or see reports about the drug use in our
scene. I only feel sadness because I know that the newsreports are only
half-lying.

>
>             Much respect to all,
>                 Peggy



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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan 24 13:18:02 1997
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> ok, for the last time, 
> Does  anybody know the *rock-bottom* cheapest-ass place to get new 1200's?
> This includes non-mail-order type places...in whatever ghetto in 
> north america....

so far the cheapest new ones i've seen are $449.95 =[, at upstairs
records (www.upstairs-records.com). but you can get very good used
ones at galaxy records (www.galaxyrecords.com). here's what they say:

All pre-owned Turntables are in excellent condition and come with a 45
day money back guarantee. Cartridges are Stanton. Products and New, 
unless otherwise noted. Headshells are included. 

Model          Cartridge          Price US$

SL-1200 MKII   None	          $315
     "	       500AL              $350
     "         680EL	          $380
     "	       890AL	          $395
     "	       AL-1 (Trackmaster) $410
     "	       EL-1 (Trackmaster) $435

plus you get free slipmats of the following types

   Eightball Records (2 choices)
   Strictly Rhythm (1 choice)
   UMM (1 choice) 
   STICKMAN Records (2 choices)
   Nervous Records (8 choices)
   Slammin' Records (4 choices) 
                                                                 
i am probably going to get my turntables from this place once i get
the $ together (someday!). if anybody has bought or is going to buy
them from galaxy records, let me know please how they are, what the 
service is like, etc.

> ps. btw, after a good 2 months of not being on the list, i am back 
> again...Hello! 

welcome back blender! we missed you!
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Well, i don't want you to interpret this as a flame  in any way, your post
just made me think a bit.  I have to agree with you that my experiences with
raves have really changed the person that i am.  I've had some amazingly
positive experiences and some incredibly negative ones too.  I've thought to
myself before, "i'm tired of all the bullshit...."  and you know what i'm
talkin about.  We always talk about it, the old vs. the new school, the out
of control trendiness of the whole scene, the unrealized ideals of plur that
many believe in but seldom practice.  But what keeps me comin back again and
again is that i just love all kinds of electronic music and i love to dance.
Someone on the list said earlier something to the effect that...  "sooner or
later we all have to realize that what the rave scene is really about is
step back so i can fuckin dance."  Amen to that.  

I don't want to give the impression that the rave scene is like this for
everyone.  I know lots of peeps and they all have their own ideas.  I'm
certainly not saying that my vision is better or more correct than anyone
else's.  Usually when i go to a party i never hang out with the people i
came with... i always like to go off on my own little journey, and see what
happens, and not be concerned about what anybody else is doing.  I think
it's a lot more fun that way, than hanging with all your friends and having
to worry about what they wanna do to.

part 2 

On that whole star wars tip, i can't see how you can say star wars "got
commercialized".  Star Wars was just plain a phenomenon.  Star Wars totally
changed the movie industry for good - Star wars was the first "blockbuster".
It has such mass appeal because it speaks to issues common to all of human
existence.  George Lucas did much research on mythology in writing the
script of star wars.  He also seems to be a student of Jung but that's my
own personal interpretation.  Star Wars is a modern day parallel to Homer's
Iliad.  Luke Skywalker is the archetypical hero, and Darth Vader is the
archetype of evil.  The next Star War's trilogy, set to be released in 1999,
precedes star wars and concerns anakin skywalker and obi wan kenobe.  The
droids c-3po and r2-d2 or the only characters who i believe will still be in
these films.  I read an interview with lucas saying that he had been
studying tragedies a lot more in writing these new scripts.  Anyways, i
could really go on and ramble.  I'm really muddying my point, which is (i
think?)  that star wars isn't something that only people involved with raves
can relate to, but *everyone* can.

Peace,
Marc


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Hi!

I was wondering if anybody else was planning to go to HOME97? And, also, if
anybody knew what the status was for the lineup.. like are *all* the djs
supposed to be showing up?  I just have to ask since this is another
*chicago* party :P and i swear if this party gets busted.. thats it for me..
i'm moving! :P

*hugs*

satya

ps.. i went to smart bar last night to check out Miles Maeda! :) :) :) It
was a good time. I learned that i sukked at pool also :P 

Anyone going to see Derrick Carter tonight at Shelter? or to Family Fridays
by ascii for some jungle?  I dont know what i am doing.. but i know i have
to be up at 7:30am Saturday morning.. ugh :( oh well.. have a good weekend
peoples!

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan 24 13:35:07 1997
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You can get them from Best Buy usually.  The don't usually keep them in stock
so if you don't see them, don't panic, just ask someone for help.

joff


>
> > ok, for the last time,
> > Does  anybody know the *rock-bottom* cheapest-ass place to get new 1200's?
> > This includes non-mail-order type places...in whatever ghetto in
> > north america....
>
> so far the cheapest new ones i've seen are $449.95 =[, at upstairs
> records (www.upstairs-records.com). but you can get very good used
> ones at galaxy records (www.galaxyrecords.com). here's what they say:
>
> All pre-owned Turntables are in excellent condition and come with a 45
> day money back guarantee. Cartridges are Stanton. Products and New,
> unless otherwise noted. Headshells are included.
>
> Model          Cartridge          Price US$
>
> SL-1200 MKII   None              $315
>      "           500AL              $350
>      "         680EL              $380
>      "           890AL              $395
>      "           AL-1 (Trackmaster) $410
>      "           EL-1 (Trackmaster) $435
>
> plus you get free slipmats of the following types
>
>    Eightball Records (2 choices)
>    Strictly Rhythm (1 choice)
>    UMM (1 choice)
>    STICKMAN Records (2 choices)
>    Nervous Records (8 choices)
>    Slammin' Records (4 choices)
>
> i am probably going to get my turntables from this place once i get
> the $ together (someday!). if anybody has bought or is going to buy
> them from galaxy records, let me know please how they are, what the
> service is like, etc.
>
> > ps. btw, after a good 2 months of not being on the list, i am back
> > again...Hello!
>
> welcome back blender! we missed you!
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--
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embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
-- Albert Einstein


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>>> Satya Chheda <sch981@merle.acns.nwu.edu> 01/24/97 03:31pm >>>
I was wondering if anybody else was planning to go to HOME97? And, also, if
anybody knew what the status was for the lineup.. like are *all* the djs
supposed to be showing up?  I just have to ask since this is another
*chicago* party :P and i swear if this party gets busted.. thats it for me..
i'm moving! :P

Anyone going to see Derrick Carter tonight at Shelter? or to Family Fridays
by ascii for some jungle?  I dont know what i am doing.. but i know i have
to be up at 7:30am Saturday morning.. ugh :( oh well.. have a good weekend
peoples!
==========================

i'm with ya cool cat. that party that got busted right before xmas was crap.
can't remember the name.... 
anyway my brother just called the info line and it said all
djs were confirmed but thats just an answer machine. don't know a lineup.
i'll have the stuffed curious george backpack tomorrow, with a red and black
'verso' shirt.

i'll also be at shelter tonight, don't know what i'm wear'n tho. if anyne wants 
to meet at shelter or HOME email me before 6 today, i gotsta leave work. 

peace, love, hugs and backrubs

john

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Attention everyone.  Sorry about the massive crosspost. 

I have a new e-mail address.  It is now trevorl@gte.net.  That is trevor 
and then the first initial of Lamont......trevorl.  You can still send 
mail to trevor88@lex.infi.net but I might not check that often and it 
will be shut down at the end of the month.  My main e-mail account is 
now trevotl@gte.net.

I have a secondary account where I can also receive mail at 
houseman606@hotmail.com.

I need everyones help with one thing.  I dumped my address book by 
mistake and I am going to need the address of the people that I converse 
with.  If you are reading this and we have conversed before, please send 
me your address.

One last thing.  I also dumped all the messages from people interested 
in my soon to be released new tape.  If you were one them please send me 
another message so that I know who to contact when I pick the tapes up.

Have a great weekend!!!!!!!!!  
-- 
 
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                                                  trevor lamont
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                              God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
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okay.....someone help me out.......my friend from chicago sez that family 
fridays are disco-house........but all the posts i've seen on here say 
jungle........izzit both? is my friend wrong?  anyone been to more than 
one of these things? 


milkshake

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On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Marc wrote:
> 
> p.s.  I saw a funny thing on mtv too, simon rex was introing the new prodigy
> video Firestarter.  And he said...  "ya know if you were to tell the prodigy
> that their music is techno, ambient, or trip hop they'd get mad at you.
> Their music is jungle, drum n bass."

funny, biull bellamy told us that they were "a hardcore band that 
discovered electronics"...unfortuntely "hardcore" to your average teen 
will prolly mean sXe hardcore, not hardcore as in UK/breakbeat..they 
need to double check american meanings against british on the 
information they get with their videos.

perhaps an interpreter for mtv is a good idea. after all, they couldnt do an 
expose on oasis without putting subtitles on an english speaking band;)

cheers,
dylan
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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Kate Catanese wrote:

 
> The news is _always_ going to center on the negative over the positive. It
> is what sells. I'm not saying that this is right, but at the same time
> another function of the media is to inform the viewers about something that
> might be potentially dangerous whether that be poor weather conditions,
> violence in schools, murders, etc.

I understand what your saying, but I do not see how raves are potentially 
dangerous to other people.  True many people use drugs at these parties,
but they are using them in a safe atmosphere.  They aren't out wandering
the streets and they are not causing any violence.  They are not effecting
the viewers at all.

>  It seems to me that when these stations
> are reporting on the negative aspects of raves what they are doing is in
> fact warning the general public about something that could be dangerous.

I still do not understand what the potential danger is.

> Most of the things that the news reports about raves are not gross
> generalizations. The drugs in our scene are EVERYWHERE and in generous
> supply.

I agree that there are infact drugs everywhere in our scene, but
the media says that ravers are there strictly for the drugs. I call that a
gross generalization.

> THere are people who are recreational drug users, there are
> people who are somewhere in the middle, and then there are people who abuse
> their bodies, exploit their friends, their families, their values and their
> souls for drugs. The media is only latching on to this particular
> portrayal of our scene. 
  
And lets honestly look at the reasons that the media latches to this
portrayal.  Is it to help these people who so obviously need help?  Sadly,
it is not.  It is to sell another newspaper or get the better ratings.
Now look who's selling their friends, their values and their souls.  
Even if the intention of the media was to portray the drug abuse at
raves to help these individuals, in what way are they helping?  These
reports only anger and scare parents and city officials.  These reports
serve only to shut down more parties.  They help no one.  If you stopped
every party, those drug abusers would still be abusing their drugs...
except now they'd be doing it on the streets.

> I only feel sadness because I know that the newsreports are only
> half-lying.

Half-lying is still lying.


             Much respect to all.
                 Peggy


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Collective Intelligence presents a very special event on the occion of our
one year anniversary: 

The Return of Superfly
a re-edukation in funkifikation

3.1.97
Columbus.Ohio.USA

With:
David Hollands       -   nyc
Shake                 -   detroit 
Greg Sargent           -   baltimore
Titonton and Monocrome  -   columbus
  r' *Black & Blue*
Kimyon                    -   dayton
X'ian                      -   cincy
Anthony                     -   columbus
Bass Clown                   -   pittsburg
Eric Noir                     -   chicago
Dreamcycle                     -   columbus
+ tba

collective intelligence: 614.470.3839
ele mental: 614.470.0929

this event shall exceed $12
no fucking guest list!

and yes all Djs are confirmed (we mean it god damn it)

this has merely been a pre-flyer 


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Dear friends:

Once again we find ourselves discussing the tireing subject of the
eventual mainstreaming of techno. I offer forth the following opinion
for your cotemplation: So the fuck what!!! It is going to happen. That
much is evitable. The real question that we should be asking ourselves is
what are we going about it? 

I should preface the following tiraid with the statement that I really
dislike the corporate world. (Global Neo-Liberalism if you will).
Anyways...

The thing we need to remeber right about now is that the "rave scene" is
still our scene. We are the ones (no bursting out into "we are the world") 
who attend parties and choose which promoters and artists we support. But
there is a
lot more going on than just that. We are the kids who bring the attitudes
into the scene. At the moment we control it (I am useing we in the
broadest sense here) if enough kids consitently attend a certain promoters
events then more than likely they will continue to throw events. We also
influence 
most of the media that surrounds our scene with our actions and words.
Now is the time to set the ground rules. We can still fuck with the media 
if we want to. Read your Abbie Hofffman. Learn to manipulate the media to
your own ends. They got away with a lot of shit back in the sixties,
twenties and so forth that we could learn from. The questions we all need
to be asking ourselves are: What is this scene about? Why am I involved?
If the answer is simply the music. Then you have nothing to worry about.
The majors won't be able to "destory" electronic music. I have enough
faith in the artists, at least the ones that I listen to, to belive that
they will sacrifice thier artistic intergrety. I think that techno
producers, are for the most part, a diffrent breed than say rock n'
rollers. (dude). True people will always remain true. Those that aren't
won't.  That is not the issue. The issue is whether raves are merely a
movement based on music or if they more than that. 
We need to stop acting like a bunch of victims and empower oursleves. Take
charge Charlie! Kids ignorant of scene? Educate them. Those newbies
annoying? Don't snub them, educate them. Let them know what the scene is
about and why it is important to you. Smile, be friendly and give out a
good vibe, that is if you want one back. Change thier attitudes, change
your attitude. Give as much to the scene as you possibly can. Remeber it
is about the people too. That is all.

coLin

getting ready to partee like it is 1936



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to shed some light-0
 
you guys need to understand where chris sattinger is coming from..
 
i'm not sure if you've ever been to a minneapolis party before.. but our
'scene' is very wacked.. pretty cracked-out in fact..
 
i'm not straightedge (neither is chris), but we've both seen what kind of
shit goes down in minneapolis.. it's kinda hard to look at 'raves' (at least
here) as happy-go-lucky spirituality fests.. cause they're not.
 
nearly-all (nearly) of the people who come to parties here come for the
drugs.. it's the truth.. crystal meth is the guiding force behind our party
scene.. a VERY SMALL fraction of the people are there for the music.. they
are there though.. and i love them very much.. but it's hard to look on it
positively when more people are in the basement snorting meth than on the
dance floor.. and we find this every time.
 
esp with the ecstatic loft.  
chill room = meth room.
 
i can only hope things will get better.. there is a great group of artists,
musicians, djs, ravers, etc. in minneapolis.. they're kinda hard to find
at your basic party.. but we're out there.. and trying to make things better
for whatever its worth.


so here's looking to '97 with hope.

<mark_lancaster>


much love to chris and everybody else who gives a fuck..



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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 bossen_c@cc.denison.edu wrote:

> Collective Intelligence presents a very special event on the occion of our
> one year anniversary: 
> 
> The Return of Superfly
> a re-edukation in funkifikation
> 
> 3.1.97
> Columbus.Ohio.USA
> 
> With:
> David Hollands       -   nyc
> Shake                 -   detroit 
> Greg Sargent           -   baltimore
> Titonton and Monocrome  -   columbus
>   r' *Black & Blue*
> Kimyon                    -   dayton
> X'ian                      -   cincy
> Anthony                     -   columbus
> Bass Clown                   -   pittsburg
> Eric Noir                     -   chicago
> Dreamcycle                     -   columbus
> + tba
> 
> collective intelligence: 614.470.3839
> ele mental: 614.470.0929
> 
> this event shall exceed $12
> no fucking guest list!

 too bad. I sure don't think this event is worth more than $12. You
probably won't find me or my husband there... Especially when Renegades is
the week afterwards.... *shrug* just my opinion though...

-Becky 


> 
> and yes all Djs are confirmed (we mean it god damn it)
> 
> this has merely been a pre-flyer 
> 


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>I understand what your saying, but I do not see how raves are potentially 
>dangerous to other people.  True many people use drugs at these parties,
>but they are using them in a safe atmosphere.  They aren't out wandering
>the streets and they are not causing any violence.  They are not effecting
>the viewers at all.

Ok, try this one :  15 yr old kid, probably one of his first if not his 
first rave.  Decides to trip, takes (by one account) mushrooms, acid and 
ecstacy.   The party is very hot and cramped.  He takes his clothes off 
because he doesn't really know what is going on anymore.  He starts to 
masturbate.   Someone (Hannah of ecstatic music) manages to finally take 
responsibility (not the promoter) and brings him into the kitchen.  They 
give him a glass of water which he breaks in his hand and then tries to 
stuff in his face.  Then he jumps out the window.   Hannah grabs him and 
holds him by the leg, he is cut from the window (that was closed) and 
bleeding from his stomach.  He has ejaculated.   they get his clothes on 
and take him to the hospital, still oblivious.
safe environment ?
Now most people don't end up like this, but a good intense rave scene 
(the way we like it) get too intense for those not equipped mentally.  
Now the scene is attracting those people.  It used to be that everyone at 
a party was aware and initiated into the rave experience.  It was family, 
a smaller scene.  Easier to get people to help when something went wrong. 
 Now, most promoters just try and get the freaked out od out of the party 
so that its not their problem.
Its a freaked out pressure cooker !  Its THE most likely place to freak 
out on drugs.  Another friend of mine disappeared in the wrong part of 
town and nearly got raped because he lost his shit on drugs at a party.  
The LAST place I would want to trip would be at a party.

>
>
><mark_lancaster>
>to shed some light-0
> 
>you guys need to understand where chris sattinger is coming from..
> 
>i'm not sure if you've ever been to a minneapolis party before.. but our
>'scene' is very wacked.. pretty cracked-out in fact..
> 
>nearly-all (nearly) of the people who come to parties here come for the
>drugs.. it's the truth..

>esp with the ecstatic loft.  
>chill room = meth room.
> 
>so here's looking to '97 with hope.

And yes, I think it will change again.  Mpls. used to be very very low 
drug use compared to any other city.  That's what I liked about the scene 
up here, even if it wasn't real over the top and exciting like a chicago 
party.   the contact with other people was more personal.
The ecstatic loft will soon stop doing parties, which the ecstatic girls 
can barely wait for.  Its kind of depressing to them that a great 
oppurtunity for our scene has gotten soured by a certain regular crowd.   
It will change again.

Sorry to all who were expecting my Javanese Puppet Theater / all nighter 
party to go off.  The guy who runs the theater kind of wimped out on me 
and I got offered a monthly club gig to promote myself.  So I've shifted 
my attention.   The Puppet theater thing would have been tonight, but we 
cancelled it a while ago.


10-4 over and out good buddy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Sattinger 
reprogramming our reality through disco 

new records coming on :  Synewave(jan), Subvoice(feb), Sativae(?)         
                                                       

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Another reminder about House of Blues on Monday Night. 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   monday.january.27    chicago.il.usa      milkyway
 
         presented.by.thousand.words.magazine


             with.stars    dj.liquid
                           tom.pazen
                           earl.pleasure

         fasion.show.by    untitled
             visuals.by    X-FX
galactic.giveaways.from    moonshine
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                           and.more

                  price    FREE.with.flyer.$10.with.out

             -gates.open.9pm.18+.with.ID-
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yes thats right this event is totaly FREE if and only 
if you have a flyer. so go get one damn it! look for flyers
at untitled, gramaphones, hot jams and all the other usual 
places.

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Well its almost time for the show...

Hoefully the Rumor isnt true and the party didnt make it that would suck
No need for them to did hardcore

Im not on MW-Raves.... but a friend told me to send this that way....

so any replys plese email me directly...

-skinner




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>From robin@inch.comFri Jan 24 19:11:28 1997
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:12:22 -0500 (EST)
From: robin udcoff <robin@inch.com>
To: nyc-raves@hyperreal.com
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Subject: |NER| Indsutrial Strength Records - '20/20' (fwd)


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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:44:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Lenny Dee <lennydee@interport.net>
To: robin@inch.com
Subject: Indsutrial Strength Records - '20/20'

Dear Robin

A friend of mine called me earlier today regarding a 'debate' programme
titled '20/20' that is scheduled to be aired in the very near future.

She also informed me that one of the topics to be discussed would be the
recent party held by DJ Skinner in upstate NY where Industrial Strength
Records was represented by a selection of both DJ's & Artists.

I would just like to say that Industrial Strength records does not condone
any sort of drug abuse & if there were drugs being used illegally that
evening then neither our artists or we as label can held responsible for
that.

Industrial Strength Records promotes music & our Artists & DJ's strive to a
create a vibe that creates a party atmosphere that does not need any sort
of chemical enhancement.

If drugs were in circulation that night then I am sure that the abusers
were in the minority to the people there who wished to just listen to the
music & have a great time.It is my view, as a person who both attended &
enjoyed the party, that the vibe was created by great music & not by the
alleged abuse of certain drugs.

If you wish to speak to me futher regarding this matter please do not
hesitate to contact me.

Thanks

Sally - Industrial Strength Records

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LEGEND1126@aol.com wrote:
> 
>                        Postage paid by: [Image]
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> 
> I recently bought a new cd titled HAPPY2bHARDCORE.  I found that while it is
> a little difficult to dance to, I really like the music. I was wondering if
> anyone else likes Happy Hardcore, and what cd's anyone could recommend.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Lisa  CrazyGrrl

hi lisa!  i like happy hardcore too, and recently my brother bought a 
really good cd called happy hardcore ravers.  it has this really cool 
hologramish type cover.  i like it a lot.  if u get it, i reccomend 
songs #1&11



			=)andrea


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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, THREEOTHREE wrote:

> nearly-all (nearly) of the people who come to parties here come for the
> drugs.. it's the truth.. crystal meth is the guiding force behind our party
> scene.. a VERY SMALL fraction of the people are there for the music.. they
> are there though.. and i love them very much.. but it's hard to look on it
> positively when more people are in the basement snorting meth than on the
> dance floor.. and we find this every time.
>  

ya know...my friends who stayed behind in mnpls when i left this year 
keep telling me hhow nasty it is...one example, 15 year olds coming up 
asking people casually for "surfaces"...for the purpose of snorting 
meth.  i'm not too worried about having to deal with this cuz im at the 
point where i just dont go to many parties anymore, and will prolly avoid 
a great deal of the parties where this sort of thing would happen (or so 
i think) when i come back next year, but it's still sad.  

i think it was in the middle of fred gianelli during new years eve that i 
turned around on the table i was sitting on in the back and kids had 
about 10-15 lines laid out and were snorting up one after another off the 
table...*sigh* but then again, i'm not overly shaken by it anymore, god 
knows i have grown used to enough snorting and tweaked out people in the 
milwaukee east side house party scene...which is not a good thing per se...

i agree w/chris sattinger.."do the right thing" is defenitely a good idea 
for the nine seven.

cheers,
dylan


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Megan-

 I don't have your email address, so I thought I'd post this publicly...
If anyone gets a chance to see Megan's page from UIowa, do so! It's really
neato!  

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Well, my minneapolis co-conspirators have said it already, and I just
thought I'd back them up on it.... Minneapolis has a _horrible_ drug
scene.  Yes, there are the kids with meth. There are the kids on acid. The
kids on what passes for e up here. The kids who don't know what they're
on. The kids who are pissed because they aren't on anything.  There's the
kids wondering where the nitrous is.

then there's the two kids up front dancing, and maybe a kid watching the
DJ.  Those are the people that we'd all like to see.

it's quite depressing.  I'm moving to madison at the beginning of the next
school year, and while I've always loved my twin cities, the feeling I get
when i think of leaving is relief.  

chrisE!

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i'd recommend the comilation i mentioned about a week ago..."The Anthems" 
presented by United Dance, mixed by slipmatt...it's somewhat a better 
take on the concept of "the history of the world vol 1" by DB. goes from 
early toons like "on a ragga tip" by SL2 and the immortal "champion 
sound" to the newer stuff "let the music.." etc...very nice, very smartly 
packaged, 2 cds, available at record stores i would assume...

cheers,
dylan

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| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            
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>Do you mean that Daft Punk IS techno ?
>Well not really, just house with some disco bass and grooves. I was *VERY*
>disapointed by their album, in France it's considered as the TECHNO reference!
>Wow, how bad could marketing be !

no, i don't mean in the "techno purists" sense of the word.  but i would
like to say that it is far from just house with some disco bass and grooves.
take "rock 'n' roll" for example.  nothing but a kick and an off-tempo loop
that is tweaked for a really long time.  far from house in my opinion.
maybe not something dan bell would make, but still some sort of techno.
sure there are house parts on other parts of the album, but there is some
genuine creativity going on here.  much more than straight up house, in my
opinion.  we've all got our different definitons of "techno."  i discussed
that in an earlier post.  i myself have more than one.  it's not that
important anyway.  in my opinion, this is a respectable, somewhat varied
release.

--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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Sorry, the Minneapolis scene sounds a lot different then the scene here in
Chicago.  It's not violent at parties here.  Raves here are safe
places to experiment with lsd and ecstasy because so many other people
know where you're coming from.  Of course I'm sure that there are extreme
cases such as the one you were talking about, but that could happen
anywhere. I personally think that it is much safer to be tripping at a
rave then tripping out on the streets.  That's why it is so scary when
parties get broken up early. 


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>
>
>	Well....actually i can distinguish one house track from another
>perfectly.........ya just have ta listen ta the music ta find the
>differences.........maybe because i spin i can tell the differences????

no, don't think that is it.  i think we just have different tastes.  i find
house music in general to be mostly the same beat and disco samples rehashed
over and over again.  there is very good house music, but it is scarce in my
opinion.

>since ya want this scene ta go mainstream....

just for the record i *never* stated that i *wanted* this to blowup.  i just
accept the fact that it will.  that was all i wanted everyone to realize in
the first place.

--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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can someone email me privately with directions to the location of fam
fridays.  i hear its the old location.  i live in hyde park just off of
lake shore drive if that helps you.

thanks 
mike





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>people who work at a best buy can buy anything in the store for $5 
>dollars over invoice.  so, if you had a friend that worked there you 
>could have them buy 1200s for you for around $200 and some odd dollars a 
>piece!!!

make that $384.  about $412 after tax.

--jeff/stuff (that proud member of "team best buy" guy)


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From: Princess <mbygness@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
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Gee Becky...thanks. :)  When I finished the page, I was going to post to
the list about it, but didn't because I kinda figured I'd just get hassled
by people who didn't agree with the philosophy discussed in it, but oh
well.  I'm not sure if I am *completely* in agreeement either, but it's
definitely an analysis.  You'll see what I mean. :)  And, btw, OPEN YOUR
BROWSER WIDE. :)

Urls in the sig file. :)

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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Becky Wangenheim wrote:

> Megan-
> 
>  I don't have your email address, so I thought I'd post this publicly...
> If anyone gets a chance to see Megan's page from UIowa, do so! It's really
> neato!  
> 
>    .--> O  n  e  N  e  t      C  o  m  m  u  n  i  c  a  t  i  o  n  s <--.   
>    |    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    |
>    |          Becky Wangenheim -  beckie@one.net - (513) 326-6000         |
>    |                          Customer Service                            |
>    `-----------------------> http://www.one.net <-------------------------'
> 


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Just finished watching the 20/20 special. Interesting...seemed to focus 
on the west coast and on Florida. Hmmm, imagine that. They certainly got 
their drug story. I wish they would talk about the good stuff(dancing, 
hangin') but I guess drugs and parent warnings sell.

Welp, just my opinion...CUL8R.

-- 
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	All right everybody.....the shows been run.....the half truths
have been put out....and there's prob. gonna be reprecussions from one
degree to another.  I personally detest this one sided story, and total
exagerations of the "bad sides" ta partying.  But, if any of you out there
would like ta voice your opinion or send hate mail to 20/20.....on the
internet, go to "www.abc.com" and go to the bottom of the homepage ta the
e-mail thingy....there you all can voice your opinion to the coorperate
suits!  I know some of you out there would like ta voice your thoughts to
them......I know i did.  

Peace and much respect

|-)								Erik



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	Erik has a good point. Everyone please do e-mail ABC and tell them
that Lynn Sherr's reporting and their editing at 20/20 is a
disgrace to journalism.
	Also I don't think we have to worry about it hurting our scene
just yet. I'm a journalism student(I won't be the kind of journalist Lynn
Sherr is) and the general American public thinks tv reporters are slime.
They also think they are more dishonest than people who sell cars.
  
	
	Peace and happiness

	Julie Pena


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i definately agree that the story on 20/20 was very one-sided...although 
in all of the features i have seen about "raves and drugs" on television 
this one was the best...
anyways..i just want to voice what is a little problem with me and this 
whole rave/drug thing...
why is it that all of the journalists/media focus in on the drugs so 
mucha nd nothing else..granted i feel that drug use at parties is a 
problem *but* i do know my fair share of ravers who do not do drugs..and 
for those in these feature presentations..all those parents who blame the 
promoters/other kids/police/etc...and granted i do feel bad for them..but 
their child made a *choice* and why should the rest of us be punished for 
a choice that some other child makes...
americans are so good at blming someone else it is crazy..:(
that is all i have to say on the topic..
-Zorica

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I saw the 20/20 report on "raves" and I think everyone on this list, as 
well as friends of people on this list, should complain. For those who 
didn't see it, it was a very biased and oversensationalized report.  
I'm not saying that drugs don't exist in the scene, but there report 
stated  "if you don't use drugs at a rave you stick out like a sore 
thumb" and "there is so much peer pressure to use drugs".  Please tell 
me if I am wrong, but I really don't think this is the case.    
Crap like this makes it really hard to get new spaces, there are people 
who think media is God and whatever they say must be the whole truth.  

 You can call ABC news and ask for the 20/20 comment voicemail.  The 
number is 212.456.1000.  I know they have a website but I don't know the 
address.  I assume its something like www.abc.com or something to that 
effect.  

Please forward this message or the phone number to as many people as 
possible.  We must let our collective voices be heard.


Michael Dearborn

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Well, y'all, I taped this if anyone *really* wants to see how propaganda
journalism really works. ;)  I find it amusing how well they seem to avoid
any bit of positive reporting on these types of shows...  Oh well, middle
class America eats this trash up.Lemme know  if anyone wants a copy.

*Megan/Princess*




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From: roberts@execpc.com (Rob Sanheim)
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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:37:28 -0600 (CST), you wrote:

>
>	All right everybody.....the shows been run.....the half truths
>have been put out....and there's prob. gonna be reprecussions from one
>degree to another. =20

Yeah, like one reprecussion is my parents basically telling me I can
never go to a rave as long as I live in their house.  And I'm not
really sure I want to anymore...I mean I love the music, I love
dancing, but I don't love the aspect of the scene that 20/20 was
showing tonight.  Yes, I know they only showed the bad side, but from
what I read on here thats the side that continues to grow, not the
music/PLUR/etc...side.  I know I could just go to a rave, stay clean
all night, etc...but isn't there the possibility that I buy some

<snipped>

Maybe I'll actually go to a rave once I get into college and away from
home and decide for myself if I want to get into the scene...until
then, I'll just be a bedroom raver =3D).

------------------------------------------------------------------
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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, ricochet wrote:

> 
> i'd recommend the comilation i mentioned about a week ago..."The Anthems" 
> presented by United Dance, mixed by slipmatt...it's somewhat a better 
> take on the concept of "the history of the world vol 1" by DB. goes from 
> early toons like "on a ragga tip" by SL2 and the immortal "champion 
> sound" to the newer stuff "let the music.." etc...very nice, very smartly 
> packaged, 2 cds, available at record stores i would assume...
> 
> cheers,
> dylan
The entire united dance series kicks serious booty.  Not only do you
slammin tracks but they are mixed by the best of the best.  Dougal, Sy,
Slipmatt and Vibes.  Speaking of dougal, he and clarkee should be in
louisville in late april, as well will one Kenny Ken.  Happy all the way.

tim



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Just a quick note.  If this causes another 1993 backlash, then abc is very
vunerable to a class action suit by all the reputable promoters (ie those
with permits, business licenses ect.)  I will post a longer message on
this subject later when I have more time.

ciao,
tim



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Well, to start off, I don't know how to post a previous message within my
message in the convenient way that all of you others seem to be able to do(if
you know, please share(or maybe there is no fancy way, maybe you put all
those arrows in manually(I hope not!))), so I will try my best.  On Sat.  Jan
25, at 1:11 Am EDT, Rob Sanheim wrote:
"Yeah, like one reprecussion is my parents basically telling me I can
never go to a rave as long as I live in their house.  And I'm not
really sure I want to anymore...I mean I love the music, I love
dancing, but I don't love the aspect of the scene that 20/20 was
showing tonight.  Yes, I know they only showed the bad side, but from
what I read on here thats the side that continues to grow, not the
music/PLUR/etc...side.  I know I could just go to a rave, stay clean
all night, etc...but isn't there the possibility that I buy some

<snipped>

Maybe I'll actually go to a rave once I get into college and away from
home and decide for myself if I want to get into the scene...until
then, I'll just be a bedroom raver =)."
Maybe I'm just an eternal optimist, but isn't the music and dancing what this
is all about?  Aren't we all searching for a friendly environment in which to
appreciate the music we love and learn a little about social harmony, in
addition to maybe meeting some new people or doing a little dancing?  We
can't let a little one-sided, negative, paranoid piece of yellow journalism
stop us from striving for what we believe in.  Sure, drugs show up at these
events, but that is not the point.  The people who are there for the right
reasons take drugs to enhance the experience, to enjoy the music more, or be
a little more free, or don't take drugs at all.  I can assure you that you
can go to a rave/party/whatever and be 100% drug free without a problem.  No
one will pressure you, no one will judge you.  That is the essence of the
whole experience.  At least that has been my experience at every event I have
ever attended(which, I admit, has not been many in number).  I believe that
we cannot allow this negativity and pessimism to drag us down.  I believe
that we can still enjoy raving, and maybe turn things back around to how they
originally were, events geared towards music, dance, and group harmony.
 After all, everything in life is quickly changing, constantly evolving,
revolving, until it reaches...the beginning.
                                               -Humility
P.S.  Sorry to talk so long, or blow so hard, but I guess its just something
that I had to say, something I believe in.  And Rob, don't give up on the
scene, not just yet.

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From: roberts@execpc.com (Rob Sanheim)
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Subject: Re: Rob Sanheim
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 06:38:15 GMT
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On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:06:46 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>Well, to start off, I don't know how to post a previous message within =
my
>message in the convenient way that all of you others seem to be able to =
do(if
>you know, please share(or maybe there is no fancy way, maybe you put all
>those arrows in manually(I hope not!))), so I will try my best. =20

Heh, well I haven't used AOL in quite a while (get a new ISP!) but you
can tell its mai reader to quote msg's you are replying to, just check
that.

>Maybe I'm just an eternal optimist, but isn't the music and dancing what=
 this
>is all about?  Aren't we all searching for a friendly environment in =
which to
>appreciate the music we love and learn a little about social harmony, in
>addition to maybe meeting some new people or doing a little dancing? =20

I wish this is all the scene was about...

>We
<good post snipped>
>P.S.  Sorry to talk so long, or blow so hard, but I guess its just =
something
>that I had to say, something I believe in.  And Rob, don't give up on =
the
>scene, not just yet.

I really have not given up on it.  As long as I love the music I will
always have hope for it.  I'll just have to wait for college before I
can experience it for myself, so I just have to wait till September or
so. =3D)


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Rob, you can't let this shit get to you. If you love the music and you love
the vibe then you shouldn't let a TV show tell you whats good and bad. You
have experienced the rave, all you parents and 20/20 have experiensed is a
cop saying that you can't watch out for yourself. You take more of a risk of
getting killed by driving a car than by going to a rave. 
joel


2/22/97,  Urbana Illinois,  Luscious

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Amen pastor Humility

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From: ricochet <Dylan.K.Bryne-1@tc.umn.edu>
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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Michael Dearborn wrote:

> I'm not saying that drugs don't exist in the scene, but there report 
> stated  "if you don't use drugs at a rave you stick out like a sore 
> thumb" and "there is so much peer pressure to use drugs".  Please tell 
> me if I am wrong, but I really don't think this is the case.    

i think you're wrong. i think for the growing number of younger 
partygoers, the influence of attitude that is very pro-drug is 
ovewhelming.  like i said before about minneapolis...kids of the age of 
15 asking for surfaces for whatever powdery snortables, to the 14 year 
old who kept begging me for doses at phore + four more, to the countless 
strung out ppl at parties...the older (adult) partygoers have usually 
figured out what works for them and/or can resist the pressures of group 
action, but anyone and everyone on this list went thru high school and 
knows damn well how impressionable most kids are at that age. if you 
think to take me on on this point consider that 5 years ago the kids who 
wear green day tshirts and dye thier hair oarange with manic panic are 
the ones who would be preppy as can be and listen to whatever the "in" 
crowd was listening to, doing the same activities...

i think what im seeing in my post is a basic statement that kids in 
general, and for many, this carries into the lat teens early 20s, are 
impressionable enuff to flock to group activities. and one of the main 
group activities at parties *is* drug use. so i dont think that 20/20 was 
out of line saying that...i am sure however that they stessed it like it 
was exclusive to this scene and no other, which is bullshit.

as for mike's comment about it being harder to find spaces...well. simple 
solution: assure your space owners that drugs won't be tolerated. and 
before the flames fly, this isnt some sXe asshole saying drugs at parties 
is wrong, this is a kid who's been to the drug end of parties and back 
and realises that we can't expect the law to say "oh they're using 
illegal substances for the sake of fun and they're doing it safely (how 
often i wonder) and if they freak out or if there's trouble, they'll all 
help each other..." because that's not gonna happen.  raves at this point 
on the scale they've reached, as far as large chicago parties are 
concerned, are simply large events that just fall short of being 
clubs...one of the differentiations is that clubs would in theory never 
let such casual illegal drug use occur.  so the question is: do you 
become "legit" in the eyes of the law and throw large scale parties 
without worry or do you go back undergroud (in terms of the days of 
breaking into warehouses and 8-10$ parties)?

thoughts, questions, but not necesarrily any answers...

cheers,
dylan

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| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            
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I guess I just don't get what the Chicago scene is all about.  I've really
only been to Detroit parties (with the exception of two in L.A.
-suckkass-one in Orlando-suckass-Fantastic Voyage in Dayton-righton-420 in
cleveland-thebestpartyi'veeverbeento-and newyearsin Milwaukee) I wasn't
even considering promoters and what not, I was just looking at the
line-up.  I guess I'll get my first lesson at Home '97 this weekend...

But anyway, I get sad that I would hae to drive all the way to chicago to
see my hometown heros....

--Amy



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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, jASON.111 wrote:

> >chrisE! (payed $15 to see juan atkins and wasnt all that impressed)
> 
> Well, that's because Juan is NOT a good DJ. He is one of the originators
> and will always get my respect for that. His tracks may be great. His
> selection may be awesome. But, his DJ skills are shameful at best. He draws
> a crowd on reputation alone. It makes me wonder if the guy practices
> anymore...
> 
> this is a point that cannot be argued...sorry
> 
> 
IBEG TO DIFFER,MY FRIEND.

You obviously did not attend the Metroplex 10th anniversary party in
Detroit in October 95(Ken Collier, Stacy Pullen, Jeff Mills, Eddie
Fowlkes, Derrick May, Rob Hood, Rolando, Kevin Saunderson, Mike Huckaby,
D wynn, Juan Atkins--$20 for 2 nights-313 style> where Juan spun the
PHATTEST electro set I've EVER HEARD.  If I would have had cardboard, I
would have busted out a backspin. 

And what about 420...sheesh.
--Amy



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yeah! What Mike said!
--Amy


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yeah! What Diana said!
--Amy


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I can't even begin to tell you how excited I am..."house music all night
long"...look for me in the blue adidas hat, 2pigtails, an XXL red polo
shirt shakin my ass all over the dancefloor...

--Amy


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damn, ive been off the list for a couple of months and i see it is as cheery
as ever.  the usual 20/20-hardcopy discussion, the old one about the 15 year
old meth ravers, and other assorted origionals.  Hell I'm suprised I havent
heard the classic house vs. trance argument.  lets all  take a minuite to
think about how that when you tune out all the bullshit and production and
attitude that it is about the music.  When was the last tinme you just sat
and listened to a good trak and floated away, or hugged a speaker until you
melted your brain.  just a thought.  cheers!<-----------H I O N

           604*604*604*GOA TRANCE FOR YOUR SOUL604*604*604*


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rob wrote:

>Yeah, like one reprecussion is my parents basically telling me I can
>never go to a rave as long as I live in their house.  And I'm not
>really sure I want to anymore...I mean I love the music, I love
>dancing, but I don't love the aspect of the scene that 20/20 was
>showing tonight.  Yes, I know they only showed the bad side, but from
>what I read on here thats the side that continues to grow...

SAD but TRUUUUUE!!!

look - the 20/20 thing probably seemed as dumb to ANY of us as any of the
other "rave reports" we've seen this year (i.e.: american journal, hard
copy, etc.)

and yes - it pisses us off when the media focuses on the negative aspect of
something that we love. i've read alot of posts on this list - and feel as
though i have a *pretty* good idea that MOST included here DO NOT abuse
drugs 
( at least beyond what THEY THINK is their respective limits ). but the
FACTS are that 'net' ravers are a SMALL and MOSTLY INTERNALLY vocal
community as far as 'ravers' on the whole go.

we are a SELECT FEW that introduce this 'rave' forum into our lives
EVERYDAY, for MOST, it's a weekend gig where they are gonna cut loose to
the fuckin teeth and get as fucked up as they can. we disagree, bicker,
argue and flame about things WE FEEL are important to us both personally
and to 'OUR' scene. but the plain truth is that this has little impact on
ravers who are NOT on the net.

i mean c'mon people - it SUCKS that 20/20 made raves look like a moving all
nite crackhouse, but lets call a bone, a bone.

one would have to be wearing blinders to not see that there is a MAJOR drug
abuse problem among people who go to raves. granted, this problem IS NOT
limited ONLY to those kids that go to parties - but drug abuse is as much a
part of our collective rave culture as djs and cover charges...   ...maybe
not for you PERSONALLY (and for that i guess you MIGHT deserve a pat on the
back) but it IS around all of us.

ya know - this isn't a NEW problem, it's just one that is CONTINUALLY
growing out of control. 

i don't want to get into a 'preaching' mode here, i usually will leave that
to my buddy ed - a guy whose posts you should REALLY take the time to read
thoroughly. some of you seem very in tune with ed luna's knowledge and
commitment to our little scene, well i live here in columbus, know and
respect ed as much as any of you - and can first handedly attest to his
personal love and commitment for not only the 'rave' scene and the people
in it but for the positive aspects of what parties do for us all. awhile
back ed posted a whole bunch of anti-drug type rantings because he was
becoming more and more aware that the presence of THAT PROBLEM alone
threatened to close down our fun. that IS what's going to happen.

...well i'll put it to you guys this way:

        #1 if you NEED drugs to experience a party that way that you think
           it should come off, then you are a retard and you DESERVE 
           the destruction of your scene.

        #2 if you dont do drugs (or) think you can handle drugs within
           your own (self-preset) limits AND see someone else that is 
           doing some STUPID SHIT (and do NOTHING about it - doing SOMETHING 
           does NOT include holding their head over the toilet later or 
           calling an ambulance for them. by THAT time it's TOO LATE 
           and you have fucked up,) then you deserve the same.

        #3 if we don't watch out for each other, then we get what we get. 
           bitching about it DOES NOT FUCKING HELP.

HEY LOOK - i like to get as fucked up as the next guy (at least i USED to)
but we are RESPONSIBLE for EVERYONE around us when we go to parties.
because i can guarantee you that we will ALL be judged together. if you
DON'T think so - ask the producers of 20/20.

see ya and be 'excellent' to each other...
kevy kev.



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this party will go down in my memory as the "free records party" because
that's what happened to me... I got free records. 
*head in the clouds 011 - Invisible 2
*communique C022 - Ouija board through a vocorder. TIMEBLIND!!!
*sounds 007 - Chunkafunk. Nimbus Quartet

um, lessee... apollo spun a dope set going from acid to boootay house.
Wisc was a fuckin' nut with the jungle.. this boy's got MAD tricks. he had
this record and it was just a droning sound and he kept playing with pitch
control and switching from 33-45 and stuff and doin some mad scratching
too.  Slip played cool too of course. And Plan B was bustin' some disco
tunes when we left.

Well, to close this out let me say HAPPY BIRTHDAY EARACHE!  :)

chrisE!

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Just got back from TRAINWRECKED, and despite only being there for the last 3
hours really, I must say I had a good time *despite* the moronic sea of
monkey-children swinging from the rafters.

Minneapolis has really lost it.  I'm not too hopeful for a recovery either.
What was once some kind of moving forward scene, ripe with enthusiasm,
creativity and inspiration; has since dwindled into a bunch of drunk
primates shouting wanna-be ghetto slang.

There are still a few humans amongst the monkeys tho, and a tip of the hat
to them for keeping it real and hopeful.

And, I think it's unfair to blame the loft for this.  I think when things
get complacent and put together without alot of effort, you get the same
result from the scene - complacency and a lack of effort to be anything
other than frat boys and sorority girls in phat pants.

Granted there isn't much that can be done with the loft that hasn't been
done, but I can think of a few things.

To note, I am not blaming dory/apollo for anything because this party
tonight is what it was suppose to be - a small party put on by friends etc.
And I think it was successful and fun, depsite the lessons in anthropology.

Now on to the party:

Well I only really was there for the last 45 minutes of troy's set and I
think he is just plain crazy.  Wicked tracks and he was totally in the
groove and that really translated in his mixes.  

Next up was Plan B and I was pleasantly surprised with the middle part of
his set, the start and end were shakey at best but the middle was fairly
solid with some real nice tracks in there.

After that was me and I'm not going to review myself besides saying that I
was a bit shakey on the start but once I locked onto that groove I really
felt proud of mixes and programming.  And I discovered working off the
energy of the crowd which can really be fun.  Hope I didn't annoy anyone too
bad ;)

I hear that Wisc just terrorized and fucked shit up left and right, takin'
no prisoners just like I knew he would.

And I also heard that dory/apollo put in a slammin set as well, so all in
all good tunes all night long.

The downpoints are the usual: drunk kids trying to act glamourous, one
particularly STUPID young lady pushing people on the dance floor trying to
pick a fight it appeared, that one freaky dude doing the macarena, my
bestest friend melissa having an episode and having to leave and, finally,
TOO MANY PEOPLE.

Props to the wicked people who stayed and danced to the end, the cheering
and clapping and whistling and shit really made me happy:) 

Anyways ...

earache.
loves.kimm.follett.


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Michael Dearborn wrote:
> 
> I saw the 20/20 report on "raves" and I think everyone on this list, as
> well as friends of people on this list, should complain. For those who
> didn't see it, it was a very biased and oversensationalized report.
> I'm not saying that drugs don't exist in the scene, but there report
> stated  "if you don't use drugs at a rave you stick out like a sore
> thumb" and "there is so much peer pressure to use drugs".  Please tell
> me if I am wrong, but I really don't think this is the case.
> Crap like this makes it really hard to get new spaces, there are people
> who think media is God and whatever they say must be the whole truth.
> 
>  You can call ABC news and ask for the 20/20 comment voicemail.  The
> number is 212.456.1000.  I know they have a website but I don't know the
> address.  I assume its something like www.abc.com or something to that
> effect.
> 
> Please forward this message or the phone number to as many people as
> possible.  We must let our collective voices be heard.
> 
> Michael Dearborn

I agree with Mike's statements.  I was checking my e-mail and happened 
to turn around and see 20/20 coming on.  I watched the segment and 
thought.....  WHAT A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT!!!!!!  Drugs are prevelent in 
every scene (club, country, rock, sports, etc.).  To make it sound like 
drugs can only be obtained at raves is absolutely idiotic.  Everyone 
needs to let their voice be heard.  Call or write 20/20 and tell them 
what you think.

"If your not on drugs at a rave you stick out like a sore thumb" 
Where did they get these kids from?  They obviously haven't been to too 
many parties.

-- 
 
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jan 25 07:53:12 1997
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did the group of kids that 20/20 had in for an interview relize how 
stupid and pointless not to mention destructive there comments were?  he 
is an approximate quote from one of the "ravers" interviewed ..."if 
you(the lady doing the interviewing) took e you would want it agian" this 
is followed by his inteligent friend saying" it dosnt matter who it is 
man....if my highschool principle took e he would want more" ..      

.. now come on boys and girls shirly we can think of some more 
representitive statements reguarding our culture than these thoutless 
quotes reguarding how much  you jones for e        ...

	20/20 said 70% of "ravers" are on drugs...    what do you 
think....  do you think it even matters?    i say we all email 20/20 and 
let em know about the other sides of the story!       lets force em to 
make a retraction!   (yeah right)                   thats my 2 cents!!
							peace
                                                           john

PaRaNoRmAl.... .  .  .  .  .  .  anaidnI


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jan 25 09:31:00 1997
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'ello  :)

Does anyone know if there's a way I can print cassette tape lables with my
Macintosh and an inkjet printer?  I mean, I know it's possible, 'cuz I've
seen computer-printed labels, I just don't know what I need for it.  Is
there some special program for it or some kind of label template for
another program?  Also wondering where I could purchase the labels.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.  (Please reply privately.)  Thanx!!  =)

      Peace,

      Randy
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        n
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      Randy

now playing:  "Ulhuru" by Medicine Drum



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Excuse me. *becky can't help it* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 Umm Peggy, not to burst your bubble, but i think you're kinda mistaken
about your own scene... I've been to a few Chicago parties, and as any
Chicago native can tell you, Chicago isn't all safety... I've seen quite a
few fights in the few Chicago parties i've been to. I've seen them get
busted, and the cops get rough (Ladybug 2), and I've seen the most drugs
in my life like cocaine, meth and K at Chicago parties.... They're not a
safe little haven to experiment, like you say... If you think that, then
you may want to open your eyes just a bit wider and take in the ENTIRE
picture. In reality, NO scene is a TOTALLY safe place to xperiment with
drugs and be safe. The only TRUE safety when it comes to drgus is to not
do them... Sorr,. not meaning to preach, but it's true... i've done the
drug thing, and had some really shitty ones, and sometimes you never know
what you're gonna get. Kinda like a box o'chocolates... ;) Just some
thoughts...

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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Peggy Hroma wrote:

> Sorry, the Minneapolis scene sounds a lot different then the scene here in
> Chicago.  It's not violent at parties here.  Raves here are safe
> places to experiment with lsd and ecstasy because so many other people
> know where you're coming from.  Of course I'm sure that there are extreme
> cases such as the one you were talking about, but that could happen
> anywhere. I personally think that it is much safer to be tripping at a
> rave then tripping out on the streets.  That's why it is so scary when
> parties get broken up early. 
> 


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On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 JunglistDB@aol.com wrote:

> Boy this show was bad. 
> 
>   I mean I knew it was going to be all like that but what makes it even worse
> is that my father was watching it in the next room....   As if it was hard
> enough to be breaking away from them (parent grilling me on drugs... give me
> a break).  This freakin'  20/20 show doesn't make it any easier let me tell
> ya.
> 


Well at least It was not Footage from BLACK. becsue we had better security
at black then the party previous to ours.....
We kept out as much crap as we could... The People PLayed killer Music
and We wanted peopel therr for that. sure a few ehh peopel got in. But it
wasnt as bad as many parties. and of COurse 20/20 made the other party to be really bad worse than it really was.. Amazing what you can do when you
concentrate on a showing a small section of peopel at a party and not the
whole situation so you can maniulate the fellings and ideas so sell a TV show..

Ehhh?.....


ps.. In the Immortal(semi)(ok nil) Words of My partner Atom Smasher

"Rave harder Drug Free.. Try it once and a while.. Lets set and Example"


-skinner

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 But what keeps me comin back again and
>again is that i just love all kinds of electronic music and i love to dance.
>Someone on the list said earlier something to the effect that...  "sooner or
>later we all have to realize that what the rave scene is really about is
>step back so i can fuckin dance."  

amen,  One question though.  If drugs were completely banned from parties(i
know it's just a dream), how many ppl would still go?

peace,
adam

np.Irristible Force: "Global Chillage"

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I dunno. ATP do's just don't have the same punch anymore. I could be wrong...
and I know Roy is gonna slap me for saying this. 

P


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EVERYONE PLEASE... EMAIL, PHONE, OR FAX 20/20 AND VOICE YOUR OPINION!!!

www.abc.com

We can't let these people control our future.

PROMOTERS: Sue ABC. Stop letting this rampant drug abuse go on.
		If these kids can't control themselves, they need help.

DRUG DEALERS/ABUSERS: Go out to dinner with your parents. Visit your
grandparents. Talk to a counselor. Read a book. Get help.

RAVERS: Spread PEACE, LOVE, UNITY, AND RESPECT. Be an example for all to
see. Live these truths that we are all about. Smile as much as possible.
Pretend like you are the sun and shine on everything you encounter. Love
everyone as much as you want to love yourself, because they are you. 
Let loose, just don't endanger our culture. NOW IS THE TIME TO QUESTION
WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT, AND LIVE THIS TO THE FULLEST!!!

We shall overcome.

"Believe it or not, I'm walkin' on air. I never thought I could feel so
free. Flyin' away on a wing and a prayer, who could it be? Believe it or
not, it's just me."    :)

love and light...

j-Sun


;)


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I hope to see some of u there.....I'll b in a long polo-esque shirt(too po'
for the real thing), or a baby-blue space time continuuim t-shirt if the
tempeture starts rising....and of course the phat pants, and white
sneakers......hmmmmmm, i think i just described half the ppl that will b
there.....:P
"Doin' all i can"
adam

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Not bad for two French guys. It's funny how they give respect to ghettohouse
masters like DJ Funk, DJ Slugo, DJ Deeone and the Dancemania cru... yet these
ghetto funksters never get any sorta props (at least I don't think so). I
wish  more "house" DJ's would play booty tracks... and really get nasty. 
Phil

Feel my muthafuckin' bass in your face!


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What?? Hyperactive spun Hardcore??? Oh no!!


Well, for that matter so did Terry Mullan.....yuck yuck!!

HEY TERRY!!! YOU WANNA HOOK ME UP WITH YOUR OLD HARDCORE STUFF!!!

=)

Phil

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Hello everyone.

I'm writing in to see if anyone in the Minneapolis area is going to 
Porcupine Rocketship.  I'm going but need a ride at least to Madison.  If 
anyone is going and is down for a little company, email me.  I will pay gas 
money and provide goodies.  If you need a place to stay in Madison Friday 
night and anytime after the party, I can provide that for you as well.  

peace.

aura                     Aura.J.Brosnan@tc.umn.edu




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Sorry, all, but I had my "Head In The Clouds"  *heh* and need to post this.

Sorry, Kevy Kev, for just mailing you a 20/20 thing that was supposed to go
to the list.  You'd think that I have used e-mail often enough to
understand the meaning of "To:"  "Cc:" and other complicated terminology,
but I guess not.  If you could just resend that puppy to the list I'd
bemuch obliged.

*curtsies*

Always,
Erin
(aka Erinaceous; She-Ra, Princess of Power; Judith; Aeon Flux;
 Bambi Eyes; Ern; Antichrist; Slacker Vixen...the list goes on
 and on.  Which one do *you* know?)
;-}

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"Hey, kettle?"
      "Yes?"
"This is Phil.  I just called to tell you you're black."
*click*
                        -Ang, observing a converation between Phil and me

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last behind you . . . take my hand and lead me to salvation.  Take my love, for
love is everlasting.  And remember, the truth that once was spoken:
To Love Another Person Is To See The Face Of God!"
                        -LesMiserables




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yeah, it'd be nice just to be able to assure the venue owners that no 
crazy drugs or bad shit is going to go down, but the fact is, venue 
owners are regular people who aren't willing to take that chance on 
liability at their venue.....Believe me, you can be as sweet and innocent 
as possible, and guarantee security to the max, but when some shit comes 
out on 20/20 on the "evils of rave", you can be sure that promoters all over 
the country are getting urgent voicemails from their venue owners, 
cancelling the events.  No bones about it, that's just the way it is.

go-go girl lisa (she's back!) 

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Ok, my sources are now confirmed.  As of yesterday i believe, plastikman member
got flyers in the mail.  It didn't say much other than Richie, DJ Hell and
other plus 8 guest will be there.  I've heard a rumor who one of the guest is
but i'm not going to start some shit on here so we'll see.  I hope it's not a
plastikman member only party.

Hope to see some of you coming to detroit that weeked



--
joff
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embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
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On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Charles J. Clark wrote:

> 
> PROMOTERS: Sue ABC. Stop letting this rampant drug abuse go on.
> 		If these kids can't control themselves, they need help.
> 

sue abc...erm i doubt any action against abc would hold up in court. 
"they said there are lots of drugs at parties!" "well are there?" ":well, 
yes, BUT...we have a strong VIBE!" "and your point is....?" "VIBE!" "so? 
you have a large amount of illegal activity goin gon at your party. do i 
give a shit if there's a strong vibe at a crackhouse? it's still 
illegal." *judge now throws book at rave promoter*

> DRUG DEALERS/ABUSERS: Go out to dinner with your parents. Visit your
> grandparents. Talk to a counselor. Read a book. Get help.
> 

good idea.

> RAVERS: Spread PEACE, LOVE, UNITY, AND RESPECT. Be an example for all to
> see. Live these truths that we are all about. Smile as much as possible.
> Pretend like you are the sun and shine on everything you encounter. Love
> everyone as much as you want to love yourself, because they are you. 
> Let loose, just don't endanger our culture. NOW IS THE TIME TO QUESTION
> WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT, AND LIVE THIS TO THE FULLEST!!!
> 

smile as the cops arrest you for possesion of illegal narcotics. if 
nothing else, your sentence will be shorter for compliance with the 
aressting officers.

20/20 is not american journal or geraldo rivera. (sorry kate if i stole 
your point) it's credible journalists who did a report on the fact that 
there is rampant drug use at parties, which is absolutely true. 

cheers,
dylan
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>
> Ok, my sources are now confirmed.  As of yesterday i believe, plastikman membe
r > got flyers in the mail.  It didn't say much other than Richie, DJ Hell and
> other plus 8 guest will be there.  I've heard a rumor who one of the guest is
> but i'm not going to start some shit on here so we'll see.  I hope it's not a
> plastikman member only party.
>
    speaking as a plastikPRODUKTS member, yes the flyer said RICHIE HAWTIN and
dj HEll. it will not be a members only party,just a discount for those who are.

Diana>


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Hello, I've stopped reading mail for a while, but somebody emailed about
my preveous message (tha trilogy...)

Anyway, if yer listening, I'm 16 and live in the Minneapolis area...

Okay, thanx for letting me waste about... uhhh... 499 people's bandwith
:)

Mike...

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Anyone got any dirt on

>  monday.january.27    chicago.il.usa      milkyway
>  
>          presented.by.thousand.words.magazine
> 
> 
>              with.stars	   dj.liquid
> 			  	   tom.pazen
> 				   earl.pleasure
(snip)

Anybody going?		

Thanks...

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Erinaceous wrote:

Sorry, Kevy Kev, for just mailing you a 20/20 thing that was supposed to go
to the list.  You'd think that I have used e-mail often enough to
understand the meaning of "To:"  "Cc:" and other complicated terminology,
but I guess not.  If you could just resend that puppy to the list I'd
bemuch obliged.

ok, here goes:
==============

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To: kg2@coil.com (kevy kev)
From: ecarter@gac.edu (Erinaceous -Leafy Spurge-)
Subject: Re: 20/20 is mostly RIGHT (flame on)

Hmmm....I watched the 20/20 presentation on raves.  They focused on the
east coast and a little bit of Florida...interviewed one Texas promoter.
My digs:

1.)  If I were to examine the country, I would have to make first note of
the fact that they covered basically THREE states.
The rave that they showed footage of was in New York, and they made a point
of saying how crazy the kids are to get their drugs...people drove from New
Jersey, even VIRGINIA  to get to this place!  *gasp*  Those crazy
roadtrippers, this must be the new Beat Generation thing or
something...*grumblegrumblegrumble*  My point is that most of the scenes
that we mw-ravers are involved in were not even touched upon.  Because of
course, all raves are the same regardless of which part of the country they
are in.
Actually, I don't even believe that was the assumption that the 20/20 crew
and my best friend Lynn stern made.  I think that they just wanted to focus
on the drugs aspect, and decided "Hey.  We found drugs here, let's just
expose that."  Yeah.  That was actually a given, but I'm just going to
babble about it anyway.

2.)  At one point they were showing clips of "drug paraphenilia" strewn
about on the floor after the NY rave had ended...Can you say "Glostik"  I
can.  Judas.  *grrr*  (Actually, they were almost close on that one,
because in the way glosticks are a bit addictive to watch...I suppose that
some odd school of thought might actually classify them as "drugs" then.)

Okay.  Those were my two main points of contention with it.  That and the
fact that they are interviewing this girl's mom about her daughter's
overdose with some bad E.  OKAY.  I guess that in my mind, if the girl is
buying E from people she doesn't know, she should know her history, and
understand the risks.  That girl had given up control over what the 'E'
was, what it could possibly be cut with, etc.  At one point on this thread,
20/20 emphasized the fact that most drugs are made in someone's basement.
Um, hello?  I recall watching a documentary on this in 6th grade.  OF
COURSE the majority of drugs are made in someone's basment...they're not
legal, are they?  DUH!  Shit like this dates back to prohibition, when even
alcohol was driven into the microbrewery of basements.  What.  The.  Fuck?

Okay.  I'll let this go now.  Take care, kids.
(Trainwrecking was yots and yots of fun, btw.  I'll review later, perhaps.)

Always,
Erin
(aka Erinaceous; She-Ra, Princess of Power; Judith; Aeon Flux;
 Bambi Eyes; Ern; Antichrist; Slacker Vixen...the list goes on
 and on.  Which one do *you* know?)
;-}

 ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***
 If you wish to glimpse inside a human soul and get to know an individual,
 don't bother analyzing one's way of being silent, of talking, of weeping,
 of seeing how much he or she is moved by noble ideas; you will get better
 results if you just watch a person laugh. If one laughs well, one is a
 good person.
 ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***   ***

*ring* *ring*
      "Hello?"
"Hey, kettle?"
      "Yes?"
"This is Phil.  I just called to tell you you're black."
*click*
                        -Ang, observing a converation between Phil and me

"...Come with me, where chains will never bind you.  All your grief at last, at
last behind you . . . take my hand and lead me to salvation.  Take my love, for
love is everlasting.  And remember, the truth that once was spoken:
To Love Another Person Is To See The Face Of God!"
                        -LesMiserables



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On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, ricochet wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Charles J. Clark wrote:
> 
> > 
> > PROMOTERS: Sue ABC. Stop letting this rampant drug abuse go on.
> > 		If these kids can't control themselves, they need help.
> > 
> 
> sue abc...erm i doubt any action against abc would hold up in court. 
> "they said there are lots of drugs at parties!" "well are there?" ":well, 
> yes, BUT...we have a strong VIBE!" "and your point is....?" "VIBE!" "so? 
> you have a large amount of illegal activity goin gon at your party. do i 
> give a shit if there's a strong vibe at a crackhouse? it's still 
> illegal." *judge now throws book at rave promoter*
> 
> 20/20 is not american journal or geraldo rivera. (sorry kate if i stole 
> your point) it's credible journalists who did a report on the fact that 
> there is rampant drug use at parties, which is absolutely true. 


Actually if the report causes promoters to lose money or spaces, then yes
abc would be libel for the stories.  Personal, I think that ABC left
themselves wide open to a class action suit.  Check out recent actions
concerning, that supermarket chain and I think Dateline.  Dateline got hit
hard.  

The report is actionable because they made sweeping generalizations that
that could be very damaging to business for promoters.  If I even get
around to watching a tape of the show numerous times I will post more
details.


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From: ~Jazhednada~ <jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu>
Subject: another 20/20 gripe.
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The only thing that *really* bugged me, it wasnt the focus
 on drugs, it was the one kid who said that everyone did
 drugs and if you werent doing drugs that you *stick out*
 Ive partied straight edge every party so far, I take 2 advil 
 at midnight, and 2 no-doz at 2:00 am... good nuff for me
 , maybee I missin somethin, but Ive found my self lost in
 the music many a time w/o being all tripped out... 

Nothin wrong w/ em! just dont belittle me cuz I choose not
 to do em.

I was over it 20 minutes after 20/20 luckily...

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excuse me, someone was saying something about promoters suing and class
action suits and other non sense.  face it, unless promoters are legal
business entities (ie: pay taxes, workmans comp, employees, etc) than they
are not legal businesses and have zero right to complain.  If promoters are
serious, they should do things the right way, and then they will have a
legal right to voice their concernes, and say, "what the fuck, you cant bust
this party" small partys are the exeption, they should be underground, but
then they are subject to law problems. Its all a big fuck, and if you want
to hear how the government fucks with businesses, even legal ones, Id be
happy to tell ;)<------HION's 0.02


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At 03:48 PM 1/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, my sources are now confirmed.  As of yesterday i believe, plastikman
member
>got flyers in the mail.  It didn't say much other than Richie, DJ Hell and
>other plus 8 guest will be there.  I've heard a rumor who one of the guest is
>but i'm not going to start some shit on here so we'll see.  I hope it's not a
>plastikman member only party.

Okay, the rumors are true, I will be there! ;)

matter


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Humph!

OK, I saw the anti-fluff piece on raves, and below is the summary of the
story from the http://www.abc.com.  For those who want to address their
opinions on the story, point yer browsers to
http://www.abc.com/vvoice/talk.html and follow the instructions.  This
coming Thursady WTHR 6 in Indy will be doing their anti-fluff followup
on the local secne.  Gonna call my mom to have it taped; hope I'm in it
:)

Now, my comments on the story:

I was personally offended throughout the viewing of this story, as well
as ashamed for my friends with whom I go to parties regularly.  At
first, I about died laughing when they said that kids find out about
these parties through a network of secret passwords and Internet
communications.  I've never been to a party in the past two years;
excuse my ignorance, but I never knew that "90210" was a reliable source
of information for 20/20's stories :)

Someone had mentioned (a doctor, I think) that ravers who don't trip
"stick out like a sore thumb."  Since when does this happen? Sure, some
who *do* trip may occasionally dance like they're totally wacked but I
usually don't attempt to tell...almost everyone looks as
happy/trippy/dancey as the next guy (unless they're sitting/passed out,
of course).  He also attests 70% of ravers are on something.  OK. 
Didn't anybody ever tell this professional that making guesses with very
high percentages is extremely dangerous and may spread
misinformation...oops, but that's the angle of the rest of the story
anyways.

You would think that they would talk about *some* positive apsects of
raves, i.e., gives some computer science students in Terre Haute an
outlet besides coding all weekend :) But seriously, with the biased
representation of the scene, they made the sex addicts that followed on
the show look wholesome compared to us.  They talk about helping them
with their problems; the only solution offered during the raves segment
was to "shut'em down."   People take drugs during rock concerts,
sometimes without being accosted by security.  See what happens if the
authorities ban rock concerts completely because of a few ISOLATED
drug/mosh/etc deaths during shows.

On a bright side, maybe this story was all a hoax; 20/20 hired actors to
portray actors and destroy our scene.  If Dateline could do it, who's to
say someone wou't follow their footsteps?

Happy Saturday,
Amene

> ABC NEWS "20/20" REPORTS ON "RAVES," UNSUPERVISED
>  ALL-NIGHT DANCE PARTIES WHICH HAVE BECOME POPULAR,
>                            FRIDAY, JAN. 24 
> 
>      "Raves," an underground movement which gathers large
>      numbers of young people at secret locations for all-night dance
>      parties, have become popular in recent years. But beneath the laser
>      lights and loud music, are America's youth rebelling in a new and
>      dangerous way, including the widespread use of drugs? Lynn Sherr
>      reports on ABC News "20/20," FRIDAY, JAN. 24 (10:00-11:00
>      p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.
> 
>      Raves, which are not supervised by adults, take place throughout
>      the country, including large cities and small towns, in farm fields
>      and abandoned warehouses or in after-hour bars or clubs. Young
>      people find out about the events through a network of secret
>      passwords and Internet communications. Because raves have
>      become a haven for drug-taking with a dance beat, organizers are
>      determined to keep them underground, far from the prying eyes of
>      police and parents.
> 
>      "If you go to a rave and you're not on Ecstasy or some other
>      kind of drug," a former "raver" explains, "then you kind of stick out
>      like a sore thumb. You're.... you're an endangered species."
> 
>      In addition to Ecstasy, an amphetamine-like drug which helps
>      party-goers stay up all night and dance, ravers take LSD or acid, an
>      hallucinogenic drug, and Special K (ketamine), an animal anesthetic
>      which is snorted by users. Dr. David McDowell, a psychiatrist who
>      has studied raversí drug use at the scene, says that not only are an
>      alarming number of participants using them but they are often
>      taking several at the same time. 
> 
>      "Over seventy percent of the kids said they were on drugs," Dr.
>      McDowell said. "The peer pressure to take these drugs in this
>      environment is just profoundly strong. Many of these drugs are
>      addicting and many of them have terrible side effects and can lead
>      to tremendous devastation, both personally and biologically down
>      the road." 
> 
>      For college student Sandy Montesi, who attended a 1992 rave in
>      Orlando, Florida, the results were fatal and devastating to her
>      family. The previously healthy young woman suffered a massive
>      heart attack from a temperature which soared to 107 degrees before
>      her death. Her mother was told that the temperature was brought
>      on by the drug Ecstasy. 
> 
>      After her daughter died, Marsha Montesi learned that the
>      establishment which held the rave Sandy attended had been visited
>      by police 500 times in the two previous years, often to deal with
>      drug activity. Through her grief, she helped enact a local ordinance
>      to close such places down and had the dealer who supplied the
>      Ecstasy which killed her daughter put in prison for manslaughter. 
> 
>      "We need to stop the raves," Mrs. Montesi says. "It's not a
>      dance, it's not a safe place for your kids. Do anything. If your child
>      insists, go with them and then you'll find out. Your child doesn't
>      want you there because they know what is really going on."



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> On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 bossen_c@cc.denison.edu wrote:
> > The Return of Superfly
> > a re-edukation in funkifikation
> > 
> > 3.1.97
> > Columbus.Ohio.USA

[snip]
 
> > this event shall exceed $12

i think this is supposed to say 'shall NOT exceed $12"!!  (silly colin)

then becky sed: 
>  too bad. I sure don't think this event is worth more than $12. You
> probably won't find me or my husband there... Especially when Renegades is
> the week afterwards.... *shrug* just my opinion though...

collective intelligence is a bunch of cool people who are trying, like the
ele_honkeys, to keep things "true" and close to the hip.  i know some of
you already know that, but i'm just reiterating it for anyone out there who
might not know (assuming my words means anything ;)

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>>got flyers in the mail.  It didn't say much other than Richie, DJ Hell and
>>other plus 8 guest will be there.

my flyer says nothing about richie being there.  i think this may be like
the ian pooley thing last year, which was also in detroit and 18+, and also
thrown by plastikprodukts.  it was over at 2:30am, so beware if you are
travelling (not that it wasn't worth the 8 hours in the car, but we were
only there 2 1/2 hours) :I.  make sure of what's going on first.

if richie is spinning, i may be there.  if he's not, i won't.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
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Diana Potts:

> > seriously tho, i think it's a lot to say his dj skills are "shameful at
> > best"...so what if he doesn't have all the best tricks in the world?  he
> > doesn't fuck up!  if he sucked so bad as a dj, he wouldn't continually be
> > getting booked at huge, international events.  
> >
> >   i agree with micheal. i cant beleive some body would be dissin juan, what
> next saying that Mad Mike is nothing. this man,Juan, has contributed to the
> foundation of techno in the US,check your techno history book folks, juan will
> most likely be in the first chapter called 'in the begining'.

Credit and props are one thing, _current_ skills are another.  I saw Juan
play in Detroit in December, and although he played some good tracks, his
mixing was pretty off.  More than a few times he just was off to the point
where I and a few of the other people I was dancing with just stopped
dancing and looked over... and not in awe.

This is the first time I've heard him play.  And although there could have
been extenuating circumstances, it wouldn't be the first time I've heard a
DJ that was supposedly so great, just plain suck.  Joey Beltram comes to
mind.  There are many great producers and artists who maybe at one time were
great DJs and now are way out of practice, or maybe they never even were
that great.  The fact remains that there are certain performers that are
booked by name, not by talent.

I'll recall a conversation I had last year with a rather large promoter in a
nearby city.  I had asked him why he booked Joey Beltram when he and I both
agreed that he wasn't that great of a DJ.  "He brings in the kids," was his
reply.

Caveat emptor.  


-- 
Craig Stodolenak
archon@acid.com

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ed sed:
=================================================================
collective intelligence is a bunch of cool people who are trying, like the
ele_honkeys, to keep things "true" and close to the hip.  i know some of
you already know that, but i'm just reiterating it for anyone out there who
might not know (assuming my words means anything ;)

=================================================================

here, here...i may make fun of their flyers, but i've gotta vouch
for ed, the collective intelligence cru are true to the scene,
and one of the few production crews that are unafraid to play
new talent (i.e. jeff solin, jeff stern, jonathan smith, sammy, etc.)
...assuming my words mean anything (but what do i know, i'm just
a vanilla rice mutha fuka ;)

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From: Becky Wangenheim <beckie@one.net>
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oh! if it won't EXCEED $12, then that's a totally different sotry.... I
guess leaving out a small little word like that can cause a total gap in
communication and leave people pretty confused.... =) I'm all for
supporting pormoters who are along the same ideals as Ed and his crew....
=) Sorry about that kids...
-Becky 

On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, eluna wrote:
> > > this event shall exceed $12
> 
> i think this is supposed to say 'shall NOT exceed $12"!!  (silly colin)
> 
> then becky sed: 
> >  too bad. I sure don't think this event is worth more than $12. You
> > probably won't find me or my husband there... Especially when Renegades is
> > the week afterwards.... *shrug* just my opinion though...
> 
> collective intelligence is a bunch of cool people who are trying, like the
> ele_honkeys, to keep things "true" and close to the hip.  i know some of
> you already know that, but i'm just reiterating it for anyone out there who
> might not know (assuming my words means anything ;)
> 
> [this remote transmission brought to you via s.f.]
> ++
> e d
> 
> ele-mental.coil.com/
> 


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here's yet another post on the 20/20 show that has everyone talking.  i 
agree w/ the ppl that said that drugs are getting to be a problem in the 
scene.  yeah, some ppl aren't educated enuff to know how much they can 
handle, if what they're getting is laced, etc.  hopefully everyone will 
try to get info on drugs and spread their knowledge w/ ppl, especially 
younger ones or ppl who haven't done much drugs b4 though.  some of the 
stuff 20/20 said was bullshit, but sadly some was true. i personally 
think that it was extremely ignorant of them to make it seem like that 
raves are the only place that drugs are being taken.  look at most high 
schools and colleges.  shit, my own dad took speed in college (remember 
that conversation jeff?;)
i happened to watch the show w/ my mom, and she was actually pretty 
cool.  she understood that some of the stuff wasn't true,  but took time 
to talk to me about drugs and make sure i knew what could really screw 
me up and what wasn't as bad.  if everyone would try to learn about a 
drug b4 they use it and learn their limits, there would be a lot less 
drug abuse.  i guess i'm lucky that me and jeff don't have a mom who 
believes all the media shit that is put out everyday. :) 



			=)andrea
p.s.  wasn't it funny when the camera was going over the empty floor and 
pointing out all the drug paraphanelia and happened to catch a glowstik? 
hmmmmmm, i guess it could be a drug.  i'm sure theres someone whos 
opened one and taken a lick ;)



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jan 25 21:45:48 1997
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hello, I'm new to this list and I would to start things off a bit and ask of
all you what would you consider the most quintessential rave, techno, house,
jungle. etc to have? My collection is seriously lacking and I don't have many
mediums where I can hear a whole lot, so I am looking for some good artists
to check out....Any suggestions?

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> Ok, my sources are now confirmed.  As of yesterday i believe, plastikman member
> got flyers in the mail.  It didn't say much other than Richie, DJ Hell and
> other plus 8 guest will be there.  I've heard a rumor who one of the guest is
> but i'm not going to start some shit on here so we'll see.  I hope it's not a
> plastikman member only party.
> 
> Hope to see some of you coming to detroit that weeked
> 

alrite. keep us all informed as i'm not a member and www.plus8.com looks
like it'll be down for a bit. <shrug>

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:36:33 
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Hello members, i'm again writing to inquire about anyone on the list with a 
car going to Porcupine Rocketship Feb. 1, (from Minneapolis area).  I'm 
telling you people, the lineup is so crazy incredible, i can't deal with it. 
I really encourage you all to go:

Jeff Feller
Kimball Collins
Nick Nice
Terry Mullen
John Aquaviva
 and much, much more.....

and yes, again i'm looking for a ride to at least Madison, the party is in 
Rockford in a very cool venue, all legal.  I will pay gas, provide goodies, 
entertainment, and place to stay in Madison Friday night and anytime after 
the party until the grand return to the cities.

I can't stress enough how worth it I think this party will be, My friend 
Chris is throwing it, so i know it will be worth the drive down, especially 
with my donation to  gas funds.

Go, go, go!; i'm interested in meeting some more of you Minneapolis 
net-ravers.  Please email me!!!!!

peace and love.

aura                          Aura.J.Brosnan@tc.umn.edu




From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jan 26 01:38:23 1997
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Jeff, Mike, and everyone else who put in effort for Release, THANKS!!!!
The pre-party was fun.  The party was fun as hell.  The afterparty was
fun.  DPN in full effect ;)  THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!
Thanks for having me   =)

---Cylert

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jan 26 04:25:37 1997
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On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Joseph C. Alfe wrote:

> excuse me, someone was saying something about promoters suing and class
> action suits and other non sense.  face it, unless promoters are legal
> business entities (ie: pay taxes, workmans comp, employees, etc) than they
> are not legal businesses and have zero right to complain.  If promoters are
> serious, they should do things the right way, and then they will have a
> legal right to voice their concernes, and say, "what the fuck, you cant bust
> this party" small partys are the exeption, they should be underground, but
> then they are subject to law problems. Its all a big fuck, and if you want
> to hear how the government fucks with businesses, even legal ones, Id be
> happy to tell ;)<------HION's 0.02
Well at least in my case, Evolution productions is a subsidary of World
Health Services, Inc.  A corporate citizen of Kentucky in fine standing.

tim



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Acres Entertainment & Grahn Creative Group present....

LUSCIOUS 2-22-97
Urbana, Illinois

DJ Lars-New York

Jimminy Cricket-Chicago

L.A. Williams-Chicago

Mazi-Chicago

Jude Jean Pierre-Chicago

Astroboy-St.Louis

Second Room...From Urbana...

Mark Livak
Man-e
C.J. Powers-U.K.
Tetric-Japan
Ryan Miller-Denver, CO

Luscious will be held in a 100% legal, worry-free, virgin venue located 
near the u of i.  

Sound-Diversified Audio Group
Lighting-Varilight
Art Installations-Derrick Grahn

Tickets will available for a discounted price of $15 at:
Big Wheel Clothing Company
502 E. John, Champaign
       OR
call Grahn Creative Group
(773)278-2895

Acres Entertainment:

Indianapolis-317-592-9072
Chicago-312-409-5475
Urbana-217-353-5044

Grahn Creative Group:

Chicago-312-851-9606


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*LUSCIOUS
 Saturday, February Twenty Second, Nineteen Hundred and Ninety-Seven
Champaign-Urbana Illinois, USA, Earth
Acres Entertainment presents Luscious on 2/22/97 
This two room event will feature the largest video screen ever installed at a
midwest rave. The line up is:
Main room:
-Lars
-Jimminy Cricket
-L.A. Williams
-Mazi
-Jude Jean Pierre
-Astroboy
Room Two:
-CJ Power of the United Kingdom
-Ryan Miller of Denver
-Tetric of Japan
-Man-E of Champaign

Sound:
Circle of sound by: Diversified Audio Group

Lights:
Light in the clouds by: Vari-Lite

Kenetic Artistry:
Derrick Grahn of Grahn Creative Group present static snow

Cost:
$15.00 presale
$20.00 at the door
Presale tickets will go on sale February 1 at 
                    Grahn Creative Group Inc.
                   1214 North Damen Avenue
                   Chicago Illinois 60622
                    tel-(773) 278-2895
                                or
                   Big Wheel Clothing Co.
                   502 East John
                   Champaign Illinois 61820
                    tel-(217) 384-4864

Info Lines:
Acres Entertainment:
Indianapolis~317.592.9072
Chicago~312.409.5475
Champaign-Urbana~217.353.5044
The Dream Factory:
St. Louis~314.995.8602
Grahn Creative Group:
Chicago~312.851.9606

Out of the clouds falls Luscious.

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In the light of the 20/20 report, I think people who really care about our
scene should work on dissolving the association between raves and drugs.  I
don't think drugs are bad, what anyone decides to put into their bodies is
their own business.  But raves and drugs are so linked that many people come
to raves for the sole purpose of purchasing drugs.  And those people are
only there because they heard that there's a lot of drugs at raves.  And
that's certainly not what it is about.  It's no longer an underground nation
and in the gallant, though somewhat misguided efforts to keep it so (if you
ask me mainstreaming is inevitable but that's another post) the scene has
become stale and stagnant.  It's time for some change and dynamism, one
person at a time.

That's all for now.

Marc


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hey i haven't heard yet what anybody else thought of "the ruffest",
but i'll say a a few things about it.

the space was like out in the boondocks (north ridgeville), kind of
out of the way. my mom gave me a ride there but she was so furious
that it was farther away than the other space (does anybody know why
it got moved?) & we got in a big fight. if you saw me near the
beginning, then that's why i was kinda a wreck, although i started
feeling much better after lots of hugs =] + once the music got going
=]. my mom called me just now + she said that i misunderstood her &
she wasn't as mad at me as i thought she was so things are ok now.

the space was an indoor skatepark--really nice. when i 1st went in, 
the skaters & bmx bikers were all still there. some were bustin out 
pretty phat tricks, i saw this kid kickflip from the top of a ramp, 
over a trashcan standing up, & onto the next ramp. somebody told me he
did a 360 like than too. i really wish i could have come from my house
to this party, that way i could have brought my board & better shoes 
to skate in. not that i can do too many of those phat tricks, i can do
a few things though. i'd never been to a skatepark before, or skated
on ramps.

the music was almost all hardstep jungle =] (!) i heard just 1 set of
intelligent jungle, which was enough for me, since i don't have as
much fun dancing to it as i do dancing to hardstep/jump up. although 
it's nice to listen to while sitting & resting. as usual i don't 
remember all of the dj sets, but the ones that i particularly liked
were noel, dara, & i think tik tak (? well whoever was on last). i
don't remember who played what records either, but i heard "ready or
not here i come", "super sharp shooter", & that one that has the same
mc as super sharp shooter i think where part of it goes "every moves a
documentary" or something like that, & some others that i can't
describe. anyway all the music was very good. speaking of "ready or
not here i come" i heard 2 versions of it, the one that i think
everybody knows + this other version that was slower + had less drums
+ no mcing. i just bought this record that is 1 of those versions but
i didn't know there was more than one ready or not + didn't bother to
check it that carefully. hopefully it is the fast one with mcing +
lots of drums.

the sound there was very very good--9 out of 10. no distortion + the
levels were perfect--plently of bass + not too much treble, not at all
muddy. the only problem was it was a little too loud at times.

besides a couple of disco balls + their lights, the lighting wasn't
set up on time or something, because i saw people hooking up the 
cables about halfway thru the party. the lighting was ok, just some 
trackspotters + fog :], no lasers. :[

how many people were at this party? i'm not very good at guessing
those kind of things. maybe 400 or 500? i met a lot of new people
there. it was over at around 7:30. too bad there was no afterhrs (at
least as far as i know there wasn't), somebody told me people came
there from detroit + maybe farther + it really sucks to not have a
clean place to rest for at least couple hrs before driving that far.

anyway i had so much fun there + big props out to baseheads, all the
djs, & the sound people; hi + love to everybody i saw there! 
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On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Greta Baxstrom wrote:

> describe. anyway all the music was very good. speaking of "ready or
> not here i come" i heard 2 versions of it, the one that i think
> everybody knows + this other version that was slower + had less drums
> + no mcing. i just bought this record that is 1 of those versions but
> i didn't know there was more than one ready or not + didn't bother to
> check it that carefully. hopefully it is the fast one with mcing +
> lots of drums.

there are now 3 versions of this track available. there's the original 
remix done by andy c perhaps? not sure..anyway it's shit, a lot of use of 
the original vocals stuttered and whatnot...then there is "not ready" 
remix by dj hype tho he doesn't own up to it for issues of legality, this 
is the best one..."when i raise my trigger finger" is the hip hop sample 
in this one...shit pressing tho:(  then grooverider has made a legal, 
label-sanctioned remix of it because the fugees' label was not so happy 
about the very popular second remix that they were getting no cash from.

so if the label on your record says "ready or not" on it, it's the first 
remix, if it says "not ready remix" it's the second and best remix, and i 
dont think the grooverider remix is available domestically yet.

hope this helps.

cheers,
dylan

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Sure enough, the pre-flyer was supposed to read: 

the price shall NOT exceed $12

Sorry for the confusion. I should to proof read :)

coLin

PS Thanx to everyone who came out for Cabin Fever. It was a blast (minus
the cheez flyer). People even respected the space and left relativtly
clean. We were out there by 8:00. God Bless.


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I wonder if there are a few hackers out there that will crash abc.com web 
server ???

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From:  South East Rave List on behalf of Dorena Bernabe
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Subject:  Fwd: take action!!! 20/20's fax is 212-456-2969

hey everyone,

    here is the fax # to 20/20 pass it on

PLUR,
Dorena
Right Front Speaker Family San Francisco
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please post this to as many rave lists as possible!

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can someone whos name begins with a 'D' tell me how long it takes to get
from chicago to minneapolis.

thanks
mike





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Hey peeps,
  Wondering if any of you Chicago/NW Indiana krew have a line on a couple
of 1200s or the like (Mk. IIs or whatnot).  I have a friend who is
interested in picking up a pair. Thanks in advance...

Your friend,
matter


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>On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Joseph C. Alfe wrote:
>
>> excuse me, someone was saying something about promoters suing and class
>> action suits and other non sense.  face it, unless promoters are legal
>> business entities (ie: pay taxes, workmans comp, employees, etc) than they
>> are not legal businesses and have zero right to complain.  If promoters are
>> serious, they should do things the right way, and then they will have a
>> legal right to voice their concernes, and say, "what the fuck, you cant
bust
>> this party" small partys are the exeption, they should be underground, but
>> then they are subject to law problems. Its all a big fuck, and if you want
>> to hear how the government fucks with businesses, even legal ones, Id be
>> happy to tell ;)<------HION's 0.02

Who do you think you are, you just get back on the list and start making
trouble...

Hion! ;)

*hug*

matt


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There's drugs at raves? Hrpmh, I never knew.

*stupid look*

matter


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thousand words and PURE pleasure experience are bringing in Robbie and Gavin
Hardkiss from san fransisco as the inauguration of a good concept called
DELUXE...  18 & over, at the metro, $10, feb 28, 11 pm 4 am.

tune in every friday night to 89.3 wnur fm from 11 - 1230 for the strictly
jungle show, of course.  but then, stay tuned to the future groove show from
1230 - 2 am, where we'll be giving away one pair of tickets each week to
this event...  apparently, your competition isnt too stiff, so tune in and
call in if you want to go :)

-dave


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_INTIMATE_
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$13 or less

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On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, matter wrote:
> 
> Hey peeps,
>   Wondering if any of you Chicago/NW Indiana krew have a line on a couple
> of 1200s or the like (Mk. IIs or whatnot).  I have a friend who is
> interested in picking up a pair. Thanks in advance...
> 
ive got a pair i'm looking to get rid of. i'm asking $650 for both but
i'll probably come off the price if i can't get it. they're both in
perfect working order except for the on/off knob is missing from one so
you just plug it in to turn it on. i heard you can pick up a knob for like
10 bucks so its nothing major. sorry cartriges not included.
thanks for reading.

--
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here's what i know:

midwest audio (clark and diversey) has them for $480 - $500...

best buy has them for $500 or so...  sometimes they go on sale.

saturday audio exchange (clark st, north of diversey) gets USED 1200s in
every once in a while, condition is usually pretty good, price $300-$400. 
they are bought very quickly and often seem to be spoken for before they
even come in.

music craft (palatine and another location south of chicago, i forget) had
them for $400 in january 95...  they're probably around $450 now, but i'd
call them just to see.

windy city sound and lighting (glenview) has 1200s and 1210s for $450.

if someone would like to help me on this, i'll stick the info onto the
chicago webpages i'm trying to maintain... 

pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~dps927/chiguide.html

also any other chicago people who have info they'd like to put on the page,
email me!  i need addresses and phone numbers for coffee shops w/ techno
influences, for starters :)  info on cd stores, dj synopses, and promoting
crew lowdowns are also needed...  yes, the page is also in dire need of some
subtle graphics...

-dave

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I kind of like the commercialism of Star Wars, it's fun.  Star Wars was
never ment to be underground, therefore I don't see the comparison with
partys.  Back in the day I had all kinds of Star Wars merchendise, from
sleeping bags to toys and lunchboxes.  I still like the shit, I went to
Toys R Us awhile ago and bought some of the new Star Wars toys, although
this time I didn't open them.  


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I lived in the midwest most of my life, and if you think coke/meth/etc use
is out of conrtol in minneapolis, you would not belive the southwest.  San
Diego, CA, and Tucson and Phoenix, AZ are basicly some of the biggest
speed hotspots in the country.  It is super cheap down here and super
common.  I've never seen "Tweekers Suck" bumper stickers in any other part
of the country but they are all over down here.  


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On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Davis Bassan wrote:

> I wonder if there are a few hackers out there that will crash abc.com web 
> server ???
> 

yeah. real mature response. 

dylan

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I can't speak for any "special guest", but I know POSITIVELY that Richie 
will be there.  Hope this stops some rumours.
lisa

On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, michael mccusty wrote:

> 
> >>got flyers in the mail.  It didn't say much other than Richie, DJ Hell and
> >>other plus 8 guest will be there.
> 
> my flyer says nothing about richie being there.  i think this may be like
> the ian pooley thing last year, which was also in detroit and 18+, and also
> thrown by plastikprodukts.  it was over at 2:30am, so beware if you are
> travelling (not that it wasn't worth the 8 hours in the car, but we were
> only there 2 1/2 hours) :I.  make sure of what's going on first.
> 
> if richie is spinning, i may be there.  if he's not, i won't.
> 
> take two of these and thank me in the morning,
> michael
> allroy
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/free/mmccusty.html
> **************************************************************************
> "it's your time, you can dance if you want to"
>                                            -derrick carter
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> 
> 
> 

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What a blast! =)

Thanks to UTC (y'all know who they are) for throwing the *nicest* party of
'97 (so far)...and a special *hug* for letting me blow up your speakers, it
was phun. ;)

Some little notes from my mental scrapbook:

Apologies for alla that rekkid skipping, I was just dancing so hard and the
floor kept bouncing... It was all my fault. ;)

Cylert, I have this picture of you spinning, hehehee, the guys who develop
it are gonna die laughing when they see this guy throwin' down in some
kitchen, with his pants around his ankles! :D

Mikey, Is that pasta in your mix or jungle in the sauce?

To everybody who was there... you all know who you are:
(I'm not even gonna try to do this name thing)
I LOVE YOU!

matter

P.S. I guess my mail is kinda screwed, so I am not receiving alla my list
mail... Cylert e-mail me privately, pleez. :D


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coming this Friday January 31st...........
a little Teamsters get together.

                            First Contact

your D.J.'s:

Traxx - Teamsters (Chicago)
Justin Long - Teamsters (Chicago)
Halo - Teamsters (Chicago)
BPM - Teamsters (Chicago)
Trevor Lamont - Teamsters (Lexington)
Samm-E - Teamsters (Nashville)
Stylus - Uptown Deep (Chicago)

cost : $10.00
for more info call 773-918-8861




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here's my views on the evening:

starchild was on when we got there.  he was pretty good.  all hardstep/jump up

then came ruffian, i think. he also played a bunch of big hardstep/jump up
tracks.

next up was dara.  he was probably the most ejoyable set of the evening.
all hardstep/jump up though.  sensing a theme here?

after him was sine.  i liked sine a lot.  he finally changed the style of
the stuff that was being played a little.  a couple of darker tracks, but
then brought it back to jump up by the end.  

next was noel.  i was pretty unimpressed actually, though he did play one
*really* good track that he had double copies of.  too bad he didn't do too
much with them.  it was a really good track though.  i forgot the sample so
i can't even ask what it was.  hardstep/jump up.

after him came mike filly.  damn, his set came as a huge breath of fresh air
to me.  i loved it.  unfortunately, my feet had lost feeling several hours
ago and i was getting tired so we left in the middle of the set.  he played
really nice, smooth, melodic jungle.

i missed tik tak, who played last, but i never like him anyway :P

i'd say the attendance couldn't have been more than 350 at the *very* most.
nonetheless.  at $14 (to average the 13-15 if you had canned food or not)
that ain't too shabby.  i wouldn't think the party costed too much.  

the one thing i don't understand was this:  they set up lights at 4am.  alli
have to say is, why bother?  there was only 3 hours left anyway.  i don't
understand this at all, but oh well...

the space was nice though, but more suitable for a larger event.  it made
the place look very empty (well, it was.)

the other problem:  nearly *everyone* was just standing/sitting around not
anywhere near the sound system even!  why was this?  my guess was because of
the scarcity of narcotics that evening.  they did very thurough searches for
drugs due to the 20/20 feature.  i have no problem with this, but apparently
everyone else was complaining that there were barely any drugs there:  boo hoo.


ahh...cleveland, it just keeps getting better and better, eh?

--jeff/stuff (that guy)


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Well, I just spent a gift certificate to best buy on a few CDs, and i
thought people might be interested in them...

Transmissions Vol. 1
(dj mix by John Acquaviva)
hmm. yeah. wow. house and techno don't get any better than this. Tracks by
Ian Pooley, Fred Gianelli, Plastikman, and many others.  This is an
intellinet release, distributed by Virgin canada. Make of that what you
will, all I know is it's a very good CD, well worth what it cost.
but hey, what else did you expect from John Acquaviva?!?

The History of Our World Part One
(Dj mix by DB)
there seems to be a lot of this kind of CD out there right now... it's a
mix of old UK Hardcore and old Jungle. Some of you will undoubtedly hate
this CD with its cheezy old techno sounds and diva vocals.  But I'm really
digging it! :) High points would be drumtripII by kaotic chemistry
(although i thought it was 2 bad mice??? i'm easily confused though) and
the way dark jungle tracks at the end.

well, at $12 a piece, i didn't feel ripped off at all!

chrisE!

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|  http://www.hamline.edu/~crege          |
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great posted the site www.galaxyrecords.com   
i am trying these people for a table within the next week    i will 
post on how good the service is and whatnot
mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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can anyone give me information on the demon puppet?   i am looking 
for an email addy.

transmission is a must   

mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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The engineers at cellestial communcations bring you a shameless and
arrogant product advertisement gauranteed to annoy you...

                      - Function over Form, always -

Uh, nah, never mind... it ain't my style. ;)

matter


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Ahhhhhh house music......I've been on such a jungle/intelligence kick
lately, i had forgotten what drew me to parties in the first place......I
had a great time at this party, i saw a BUNCH of old faces, met plenty of
new ones, but mostly just danced!!!!!
A rundown.....

The space:
A mall on the southside, I heard that Apocalypse had been thrown there.
Consisted of three rooms.  Each had it's good and bad points.  The first
room was medium sized, with carpeted floor(bad), but great sound most of
the time(more later).  The biggest problem with this room was the
temperate.....It was broiling in there!!!!  It kept me out of it for most
of the night......If u walked to the left there was a hallway with two
branches(bad traffic), one led to a small room that was even hotter than
the previous, but had good sound and jungle was spun in it all night.
Unfortunately, there were ppl sitting all over the place so finding room to
dance was VERY difficult, oh and it was carpeted.........the other branch
led to the main room which was cool, and had a great floor to dance
on(smooth cement!)  Unfortunately, the dj booth was 30 ft in the air, and
the sound was somewhat lackluster(see below).  Besides that, u were able to
go into a section of the mall where u could converse at a normal volume,
which was a very nice treat.:)

The Sound
The first room was great when i got there, very clear and undistorted.  As
the night went on, however, the bass seemed to get louder and louder, until
it was distorting the trebles as well as causing massive vibrations
throughout the room.  The jungle room had exceptional sound.  It never was
distorted, and was at a nice volume.  The Main room was another story.  The
room was huge with HIGH ceilings.  They stacks of speakers set up in each
corner, which was fine if u were standing in front of them, otherwise it
was muddy and echoey.  Still, i don't know if it was possible to get good
sound in that room.

The Lighting
I generally don't pay attention to lighting.  I remember some intelligent
lighting in the first and main rooms.  Strobes in both, along with some
great lasers in the main room.  the small room had minimal lighting, but it
was fine.  The mainroom was probably pretty good for those on
hallucinigetics....

The Dj's
I couldn't find a set list the entire night so, i had problems finding out
who was spinning where.....here is a list of dj's i know i heard
1. Larry Heard:  I enjoyed his set, though he impressed me more on NYE.
Some great house, along with some trackier stuff.
2. Farley Jackmaster Funk:  He tore it up....I danced continually
throughout his set.....The last 30 minutes of it was sooooo good.....deep
house primarily, along with some jack......he spun a paul johnson record
while paul was spinning in the first room(i thought it approached
irony)....anyway, his set was the highlight of my night.
3. Danny the Wildchild: I only caught the first 30 minutes of his set.
Typical mad scratching, hardstepping, wildness.....


I heard plenty of other dj's, but never bothered finding out who was
spinning......oh well, maybe next time:)

Peace,
adam

(i hope this review passed the test....the first i've written:)


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                     JOINT EFFORT 
                     BRINGS YOU,
                      
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                        MADISON, WI

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WITH DJ'S
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CHRIS SATTINGER               STEVENJ
MATTER                        ADRIAN
ANDI P                        GLG 20
NEE HIGH                      PHONICS
YANN                          LUNAR
KEE                           WICKETT
DELINQUENT                    NEURAL BLAST
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THIS PARTY IS ONLY $6 BUCKS. NOW THATS A DEAL!!!  :)

JOINT EFFORT: 275-3197  


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>                   JOINT EFFORT 
>                     BRINGS YOU,
>                      
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>                        MADISON, WI
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>
>WITH DJ'S
>------------
>CHRIS SATTINGER               STEVENJ
>MATTER                        ADRIAN
>ANDI P                        GLG 20
>NEE HIGH                      PHONICS
>YANN                          LUNAR
>KEE                           WICKETT
>DELINQUENT                    NEURAL BLAST
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>THIS PARTY IS ONLY $6 BUCKS. NOW THATS A DEAL!!!  :)
>
>JOINT EFFORT: 275-3197  
>


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this weekend i made my first journey to the windy city of chicago for two 
reasons: 1. to find a place to live since i am moving there in two weeks, 
and 2. to go to a REAL chiago house party and meet some friendly folkes 
from the area!

all i have to say is word up to the chicago crew. Satya, thanks for all 
the great hospitality and tips on how to get around the windy city. Two 
other chi friends, george and jim, danke for hanging with my virgin self 
this past friday night, its good to meet people in a new place as big as 
the Chi be.

Home97 was a great ride. i kept hearing the rumors of a busted scene 
permeating throughout the windy city, but last night left a shining 
shimmer of hope for a new great scene in my eyes. i met tons of cool 
peeps, was introduced to quite a few more. KARMIC MOMENT-- i leaned over 
to my new pal Jim and asked him, "So how hard is it to meet people in 
Chicago." No sooner had the words finished becoming heard than a 
happening raver girl leaned over, grabbed my hand, and asked my name, 
told me hers, gave me a hug and introduced me to her friend from home. 
Perfect karma!

Further props go out to the St. Louis crew. i met them all near the end 
of the party, and wished i would have met them when i walked through the 
front doors. Ho wvery friendly they all were!

MUSICAL NOTES 

better jungle than i've heard in my many ventures to the jungle mecca 
DC/BALTIMORE in quite a long time. i was worried about the content of 
jungle in this scene due to the legendary status of house here. AYE! i 
feel mucho better after last night, some heavy drumnbass rides in the 
little room. House room was also the bomb, better vibe in there than i've 
felt in quite some time. Smiling faces, huggies, all that. Thanks to all 
the people i saw smiling, you eased my worries about chicago friendliness 
(or the lack of it). i also especially liked the main house area because 
it was ICE COLD, something neccessary after swinging it out in the 
junglist furnace for quite some time.

Well, i hope to maybe meet up with some more of you tomorrow night at 
Milkyway. If not, no fear, i'm returning on February 8th or 9th for good, 
my move northwest completed, excepr for having found PERMANENT residence.

Anyways, thanks for the fun, all. Hope to meet some of you soon!



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Adam, nice meeting you at the party... Some of my potentially silly
thoughts added below (not at all a flame on your mail)... First, some other
gripes I have...

I am FUCKING sick of asshole security. Sure, it is their job to keep things
in line, but these jerks wouldn't let me bring in sealed water? Come on.
Fuck that shit. Then, when time to leave they treat us like lowly cattle,
bossing us around and acting like fucking assholes. Screw that. PROMOTERS:
IT IS YOUR JOB TO PROVIDE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT RAVERS WANT TO BE A PART OF!
Else you will end up with a bunch of shallow drug junkies who care about
your parties as much as you care about them... Be afraid, be very afraid...

RAVERS: THIS IS OUR SCENE! AND IT IS OUR JOB TO KEEP IT GOING! I saw more
people looking whacked out and standing/sitting around at this party, than
any other I've been to. GET WITH IT! This ain't no fucking fashion show and
it ain't about whose shit does or doesn't stink. This is about partying and
having a good time! I worked my ass off trying to get people pumped offa
their shitty moods and I'm sick of spending my energy to try to make a
party go off. GOD DAMN IT, I thought we were all family... If you ever need
a shoulder to lean on, find me... I will hear you out and (at least) offer
some advice to get you back on track. NOTHING SHOULD EVER STAND IN THE WAY
OF HAVING A GOOD TIME!!!

At 12:04 AM 1/27/97 -0600, Adam Tyr Dorfman wrote:
>Ahhhhhh house music......I've been on such a jungle/intelligence kick
>lately, i had forgotten what drew me to parties in the first place......I
>had a great time at this party, i saw a BUNCH of old faces, met plenty of
>new ones, but mostly just danced!!!!!

Adam, this is kinda funny, we're moving in opposite directions...  I am
starting to like this thing they call "house music" (for the first time). I
guess that my appreciation of the talent making the music itself (playing
instruments and singing) over a guy with a sequencer is starting to take
hold... Hmmm, is there such a thing as
Techno-Hardcore-Trance-Acid-Goa-House-Metal? If so, I think I would like it...

>The space:
>...
>the time(more later).  The biggest problem with this room was the
>temperate.....It was broiling in there!!!!  It kept me out of it for most

that temp. problem is easy enough to solve, just get nekkid. ;)

>of the night......If u walked to the left there was a hallway with two
>branches(bad traffic), one led to a small room that was even hotter than
>the previous, but had good sound and jungle was spun in it all night.

I was very lucky to catch Phantom 45 spinning some jungly atmospheric
progressivey housey stuff, near the end of his set. It was really REALLY
*nice*. At the time, there were a handful of people dancing and this one
girl (oh, gawsh, she was the shit).

>Unfortunately, there were ppl sitting all over the place so finding room to
>dance was VERY difficult, oh and it was carpeted.........the other branch

I was disappointed to find that ppl sitting all over the place was pretty
much the theme of this party. Most people (75% at least) were standing and
sitting around, being Completely Usual (cu/copper) self-conscious
Chicago-types. I'm sorry, but if I am going to sit around and be lame, I'll
save the $20 and yank my crank at home. BTW, this was in no way a $20
party. should have been $15 at the door...

>...
>the sound was somewhat lackluster(see below).  Besides that, u were able to
>go into a section of the mall where u could converse at a normal volume,
>which was a very nice treat.:)

totally. :)

>The Sound
>...
>throughout the room.  The jungle room had exceptional sound.  It never was

I agree... :D the 3rd room was perfect. nice balance of freq.s and just
loud enough to shake you a little...

>The Lighting
>I generally don't pay attention to lighting.  I remember some intelligent
>lighting in the first and main rooms.  Strobes in both, along with some

The fucking lighting guys were sleeping when I looked at 'em (really
asleep)... you know after the same purple-green-yellow scheme was running
for an hour. Sorry, but if I'm paying someone to do a job... I will be on
there ass to do it. Hrpmh, woulda been kewl saving $5 and not having to
support the lighting "company".

>The Dj's
I thought all of the talent was *good*. There were moments when each of the
DJs moved me, but I encountered nothing spectacular, except maybe Brian's
set. He was much beyond his usual good form...

>(i hope this review passed the test....the first i've written:)

Nice work. ;)

matter


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i just wanted to share my little story about what happened to me at Home '97
this weekend. one of the security guards suspected me of having drugs, and
in the process of taking me off to a little room to have me searched, one of
his partners thought i felt i was resisting (i had stopped walking when i
realized that they wanted to get me in a closed room alone with them) and
punched me in the face. at this point i decided just to be cool and do
whatever i needed to do to get out of this situation. i went in the room and
was searched. the only thing they found on me was a few Utopia (herbal e)
capsules that had been sitting in my bag for months. they had the guard who
had found me escort me back to the party, but before he let me go, he sat me
down to talk with him about how he had just gotten me out of there. he said
that if he hadn't pulled me out i would be on my way to jail right then
because they didn't know for sure what was in those capsules, and i'll
scratch your back if you scratch mine, and how much money do you have on
you. now i knew that he wasn't a cop, even though he had claimed to be one
(and even showed me a tarnished old badge that looked like it cost a dollar
at a pawn shop), and i knew this was all bullshit, but at this point i just
wanted to end this. i offered him $20, he said $50. we settled on $35. he
told me the procedure. we went to the bathroom, i went in a stall and left
$30 (he didn't seem to care) under the lid of the toilet. he went in after
me and got the money, said a few more words and sent me on my way.

a couple friends told me that they knew of some other people who had
problems with security, except these people actually had drugs on them.
after they were searched, they paid their fee and were given their drugs
back and let go.

i'd appreciate any info on how to contact Mystic Bill of Vibe Alive by means
other than voice mail if anyone has it.

-kc


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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                   A D R E N A L I N     R E C O R D S
DJ HARDWARE:
Booking Information: (561) 495 - 9954
		     (561) 495 - 3919 fax/Phone
Latest Releases:
- DJ Hardware presents "The Rhythm Chamber" - Adrenalin (CD)
- Darkside Of The Shroom Part II - "Oh Zone Layer remix"- Tricked Out(12)
- Trip Hop Acid Phunk Vol. 4 : The Acid Phunk Edition - Adrenalin (CD)
- Adrenalin Trance Acid Experience Vol. 2 - Adrenalin  (CD)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hello all Net Ravers, Promoters & DJ's,
	My Name is DJ Hardware and I'm looking for bookings for the months
of December, January, & February and further. I'm The A&R director at
Adrenalin Records in New York but I'm based in South Florida. I currently
have 9 mixed CD's out in stores all across the world and have 3 more
currently being pressed. The following are a list of the CD's:
	-Adrenalin Hardcore Rush Vol 1 
	-Adrenalin Hardcore Rush vol. 2 
	-Trip Hop Acid Phunk Vol 1
	-Trip Hop Acid Phunk Vol 2
	-Trip Hop Acid Phunk Vol 3 : The Hard Edition
	-Electro Phunk Vol 1
	-Beat Generator Vol. 1
	-Acid Warfare Vol. 1
	-House Stompin' Vol. 1
	-DJ Hardware presents "The Rhythm Chamber"
and on the press:
	-Adrenalin Trance Acid Experience 2 :In The Mix With DJ Hardware
	- Trip Hop Acid Phunk Vol 4: The Acid Breaks Edition

I Also have a 12" currently out with my partner called The tweakers - "All
Tweaked Out" On adrenalin Records, remixes of the Cotton Club, "Hear The
Drummer", and Remixes My partner and I did of Darkside Of The Shroom Part 
II, "OHZone Layer". As you can see i play a variety of
styles of music but my favorite styles to play are Hard trance and Gabber.
i also love hard edged funky breaks. If you are intrested in booking me or
know some one intrested in booking me at an event or party please have
them E-mail me or they can call Adrenalin Records at (561) 495 - 9954 or 
(561) 495 - 3919. Thanks for your time and consideration!


						DJ HARDWARE:)
					A&R Director - Adrenalin Records


P.S. : Some people in the past have said that I make royalities of these
CD's, well, I don't. I just make money to mix them and thats all. Also I'm
not tring to SPAM the NET, I'm just using the NET as a resource to find
booking outside florida and to play to different types of ravers. If
you don't like to read this just delete it... This is part of the rave
culture.... PLUR........


				Thanks Again!!

						Hardware:)





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I'm a cheesehead baby
so why don't you kill me


Wisconsin CHEESEHEADS UNITE!!!


Packers rule!!!!!




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On 1/27/97, blarfunkular (FOLLKJ10@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu) amazingly wrote the
following tezzagipshunt:

>I'm a cheesehead baby
>so why don't you kill me
>
>
>Wisconsin CHEESEHEADS UNITE!!!
>
>
>Packers rule!!!!!


This is why I want to leave wisconsin.  I've been here too damn long.  No
offence intented to anyone.





                                               -jp
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                                               <randomly stimulating>



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>I'm a cheesehead baby
>so why don't you kill me
>
>
>Wisconsin CHEESEHEADS UNITE!!!
>
>
>Packers rule!!!!

To quote the movie _So I Married An Axe Murderer_...

"Two words:  THERAPY."

j/k

Always,
Erinaceous
(No Blueberries for Sal!)

ay evol . . . live mi
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saw that piece they did on raves on friday night, as many of you did, and
decided to write them @ their website. (encourage those of you who're
pissed off about this to do the same)... below is a
copy of what i sent. it's a bit more meandering than i would have hoped,
but i think i got my point across...

response to the show of this past week, the "expose" on raves.
have you people forgotten that there are two sides to a story? your
story was biased and ridiculous, showing just how tainted journalism can be.
the comment about 10 yr olds regularly attending these parties?
let me guess: someone you interviewed told you a little urban myth
about a ten year old once going to a party somewhere in florida. 10 year
olds do not regularly
attend these parties. promoters and security will not let them in. more often
than not you need to be 17 w/ ID to get in, and if there are curfew laws
you'll have to leave at those times if you're within the age group affected.
this is supervised by either the professional security guards or off-duty
cops that are hired by
promoters...those exceptions to the rule, the kids out late and on drugs,
are not condoned
by the promoters or the djs or even other party-goers.
as for the drugs, there are drugs at parties, but the way you portrayed this,
saying that those who don't do them don't belong? not only is this a
complete lie, but
it could also influence your viewers to do them, solely becuse they
have a basic interest in the scene and the music and want to belong.
here you are saying that if you don't do them you don't belong. smart.

I've gone to these parties on and off for the last 6 years. there are good
and bad
aspects to them. you have to know what you're getting into, know yourself
and your limits.
for the mother who's kid died: it's not "the rave" that killed her kid. it
was her kid who
unknowingly took THREE PILLS of ecstasy. it was her own fault for not being
informed enough
on what she was doing, or maybe her friends for not telling her or keeping
an eye on her.
there are no guarantees that she got her x at a party. she could have
gotten it through friends,
taken it, then gone out line dancing. would her mother then say "we must
stop the counrty western bar"?
or would 20/20 run an uninformed, poorly researched story on the underground
drug abusing world of the country-western bar?

this story is a disgrace to media and journalism. sensationalised biased and
one sided, material that should have been aired on Hard Copy or Current
Affair,
but preferrably not at all.
Maybe you need to air that kind of stuff to get your ratings back up?
Nothing is more embarrassing for a reputable news magazine than seeing
confused
newsanchors talking about "secret passwords" and mispronouncing words,
saying that
terrible drugs are the only reason raves occur... look at the 60's, disco...
how about truck drivers up all night on crank, or supermodels smacked out
on heroin or coke, or
college students
slipping tranquilizers in drinks just to have sex, sports superstars doing
coke and going out
committing gang-rape, washington bigshots rolling around town in limos with
a kilo of coke
and two prostitutes...this is all because of raves? if it's the "youth and
drugs"
angle you're after: the Phish/Dead concert parking lot scene, kids in small
towns with
nothing to do huffing gas, doing meth, coke; hippies and mushrooms, peyote,
etc,
students doing drugs to stay up and study. The abuse of drugs is a huge
problem in this country.
Raves are an insignificant part of this much bigger picture.
The Rave is not the center of youth drug culture.
drugs are.
raves are centered around music and what's known to those who go to them
as PLUR, peace love unity and respect. there's no d for drugs in PLUR.
the drugs are an unfortunate side in that some people feel
they need them to enjoy themselves. but this is not just at raves...
kill the rave and the drugs keep going; something else will take it's place.

to define a culture by its drug use is a mistake. Your camera man may have
done coke,
or smoked pot. or the janitor. or the studio tech people. or Hugh Downs.
who knows? but, "we must stop
the 20/20" from making an ass out of itself. You're turning into a tabloid.
terrible, false
stories on all night drug parties and sex addicts...felt like i was
watching cable at 3am.

please make an effort to research your stories a little more. it'll help us
all out,
and save you a little face.
and for the record, in the last 5 years more people have died at soccer
games in the
UK than at raves. "we must stop the soccer game"...


-zach

np "Rebirth of Cool v.4"

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update.....         indiana channel wrtv 6    out of indy  will be airing 
a show titled the evils of raves   exposed!       i think it airs 
wed....    so all the hoosiers out there  stand up and let em hear 
ya.......     WRTV is even doing commercials to advertise this "special 
documentary"                    
		  	    

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Ok this party took place at Timbos Hall in detroit.  an regular venue for
parties which is fine with me.  For big line ups, i like liable venues, for
smaller line ups it's nice to find a virgin venue.

Ok when i go there, i'm not sure who was on, but he was tearing the shit up.
That was around 11pm.  If someone could answer this it would be greatly
appreciated.  I couldn't be that someone this good was on this early.

Anyways i danced a while and made my rounds talking to my friends and shit.
I'm not sure what time but Heater Heart came on and tore the shit up too.  I
just danced and danced and danced.

Next came Neil Landstrum.  I was expecting a live pa, what i had heard he was
going to be doing, but he spun instead, but to no dissappointment.  He would
fuckin tweak the shit out of a record and then throw some of the hardest bass
right fuckin back in your face.  I couldn't leave the speakers for almost his
entire set.

T-1000.   Aw my god, i've been waiting to check out T-1000 again for the
longest time.  He closed the night up in fuckin fashion is all i can say.  the
home town boy was just tearing the shit up and he was fuckin gettin into it so
much.  He put on this one track that sounded up like a heavy medal song and he
was up there playing air guitar too it,  it was so fuckin phat.  Anyone
possible know what song that was?


The sound,  Burst Inc always does a nice job, but they even went beyond that
somehow.  It loooked like the same set up they have used before but fuck, the
bass was fuckin pounding out of the system.  It just sounded plan amazing and
was at the right volum i though.

anywyas i had a real good night.  i leave with just one question.

does anyone in detroit know a girl by the name  Danna  pernounced like  Dan-na.
 her brother supposedly helped throw the party and shit.  We talked the night
before and were suppose to meet up and shit but i couldn't find her there.  I
didn't bother to get her phone # or anything because i thought i would see her
there.  If anyone knows here could they get me her number, e-maill addy, or
tell her that matthew, the kid from E.L. she talked the night before is looking
to get a hold of her.  Thanks




--
joff
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
-- Albert Einstein


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hey maxie baby,
		You should talk to John Jackson, Art's brother, he'd be very
interested in your tables, plus he's family so you'd feel better about
that sentimental attatchment you have !  Also, call me ignorant but what
is the first track on the label side of the tape you gave me?

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

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Midwest Stereo in Chicago can be pushed on prices a little on everything
but 1200's cus they're already pretty low.  Last August I got 2 12's, an
MTX 750 board, 2  M70BX cartridges W/stylus, slip mats and a coffin for
a little under $1400.  Of those things they gave me for free the slip
mats and styluses, and knocked off $25 on the mixer.  Its not a lot but
I was able to pick up some extra vinyl for the $ that I saved.  If
anything, try somewhere else and tell 'em that you can getall the above
for $1300 and see if they will match it or beet it!  It never hurts to
try to bargain with the sales people, just dont let your guard down and
triple check over everything to make sure they're not out to get you
instead.

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

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7 february 1997
all jungle house party
urbana-champaign, il (2 hrs from chicago, st. louis and indianapolis)

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      SSS     EE      EE      DD  DD
       SSSS   EEEEE   EEEEE   DD  DD
         SSS  EE      EE      DD  DD 
      SSSSSS  EEEEEE  EEEEEE  DDDDD

djs for the evening:

  cj power (trans-atlantic junglist, uk)
  thomas h chronic (urban(a) techno collective and gro co-founder, urbana)
  chris w (champaign)

plus more to be announced later...

$1 at the door, will go all night
directions will be posted a few days prior to the event
brought to you by gro -- 217.353.5111


hope to see you all there,
  -tom

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Thanks for the positive comments on Chicago.  I lived up there for two
years which was when I got into raves and it was a great place.  I was
there about a year and a half ago when everything started getting busted
all the time.  Then everything was then starting to show up out in the
suburbs, especially in our fav. s.side towns of Harvey and Dolton.  That
was about the time that I moved back home to Bloomington, IL.  Most of
the problems wqere people not wanting to pay 20-25 bucks for a party,
but as it's been said a million times already, if you want a party
that's not gonna get busted by Chicago's finest who finally got smart,
you had to travel a half hour to go to these parties, pay a lot, have a
good time, and drive more.  I feel a lot of the Old vs. new started
about this time.  Before that the parties were smaller and more
underground and not exposing themselves to as many people.  As the
spaces got bigger due to their legality they got more expensive and with
the rising ticket prices the promoters needed to bring in more people to
fill the spaces and pay the bills.  That included bigger name DJ's so
they could again bring in more people.  The kids who were part of the
older underground scene felt invaded by the new faces.  The new kids
felt the attitudes from the "old-school" and were are we now.  I'm not
taking the side of any group.  I fall in the middle.  I have been going
since "Acidic Opera" a Sense Production in August of 1994 in Chicago
(they threw some dope shit, props to Tony).  I am considered new school
by a lot of my older friends and old school by my newer friends.  My
older friend call my newer friends pre-schoolers and my new friends call
my old friends assholes.  Like Rodney King said, " why can't we all just
get along?"  We have the same overall interests, music, friends and (to
some) drugs (you can't deny it, sorry).  Well, I gotta go now so lets
try to forget about how the others dress, how old they are and who they
know or else a once unified movement will continue to fall apart until
it's too late.

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

p.s. if you want to see the kinda parties i like to go to, Check out
Butterfly Kisses 2/15 in Bloomington, IL.  Central Illinois Alliance 309
827 9780

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as we cruised the channels at a friends house we stopped at MTV for
minute and saw a few interesting things.

Trent Reznor and his newest release (i forgot the name) with an
unmistakable breakish beat pounding away, but does he ever really
surprise anyone?

an interview with Bjork, she was speaking New York latest language
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> Packers rule!!!!!

We are the CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD!

[screams and throws something at the monitor]


-- 
Craig Stodolenak
archon@acid.com

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At 02:10 PM 1/27/97 -0600, Craig Stodolenak wrote:
At sometime Kimm said:
>> Packers rule!!!!!
>
>We are the CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD!
>
>[screams and throws something at the monitor]

Packers?
CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD?

Those sound like kewl parties...
R they in Wisconsin?
When?
What's the phone numbers for more info...

matter (chowderhead)

P.S. I hope my frequent posts aren't pissing anyone off, I don't have much
better to do, right now, in my life. ;)


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Miller, in conjunction with Budweiser, bring you


P       A       C       K       E       R       S


                     2.15.97


with dj's

Main Room.                              Cheese Room.
Beer Room.
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matter.                                         matter.
matter.

matter.                                         matter.
matter.

matter.                                         matter.
matter.

matter.                                         matter.
matter.


Featuring a live P.A. by:  cheesius matter.


100 gigawatts of bass in you face.
intellibeams, lasers, yadda yadda yadda.

10 bucks at the door, or entry is free if you wear a complete packer
uniform stolen from an angry, sweaty packer football team member.  This
event is promoting cheese, beer, general mindless
football aggression, testosterone, and the american way.

        There will be a 'meth for cheese and beer' exchange program to show
drug users the glory of cheese and beer. (cholesterol and calories)  Users
can exchange their stash of crank and recieve fine wisconsin cheese and
beer, no questions asked.


Call:  608-4CHEESE.










                                               -jp
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                                               <randomly stimulating>



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okay.. i also noticed what the security was doing at HOME97.. it made me
sick..

one friend of mine was just standing around watching people dance in a
corner when he was approached by security and harassed.  they told him that
if he doesnt give them a certain amount of money.. they were going to search
and arrest him.  the thing was that he had *nothing* on him.. he had been
just standing there..minding his own business.. he's not even a suspicious
looking guy.. anyways..  they i guess they dragged him into some room and
then searched him.. and obviously found *nothing*.. however.. during this
period of time.. they were pushing and shoving him around ... and just being
complete assholes!
 
in addition.. i heard various stories from other party goers... who had
similar experiences.. whether they did or did not have drugs on them.. One
kid had to pay the security guard $100 bucks so they wouldnt turn him in for
whatever he had been found with.  Isnt that blackmail?

my point for writing this is that this entire situation was scary.. and that
when u see security at a party.. u expect them to be there to ensure your
safety.  I cannot believe that the security were able to get away with
assaulting people.  It just doesnt make any sense why this type of violence
needed to be used against anybody at the party.  And I wish I knew who these
so-called security people were?  I hope the promoters are more careful next
time.

anyways... enough of my bitching.. i'll be at house of blues tonight to see
dj liquid :) see you there.

satya

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> To quote the movie _So I Married An Axe Murderer_...
> 
> "Two words:  THERAPY."

heeyyyy...isn't "therapy" one word? or is that part of the joke? i
don't know, i never saw that movie.

here's an idea for everyone: the quality of a party is in direct
proportion to how much your legs hurt the day after the next time you
sleep (for me that's today)--well unless you don't dance. i am SO 
SORE from dancing, my legs hurt so bad! ;] maybe i should stretch
more!

i just found out some good news, i will be on the radio. i got an
apprenticeship at the radio station on campus. it's on the "rap/soul"
show, which i think includes hip-hop since that's one of the things i
told them i wanted to spin. i didn't get on the techno show because
they already had enough people for it. but in the fall i can have my
own show + play both. the bad news is, the radio station is only
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christ-on-a-bun.  and i bitch about paying 22 bux for busted parties, no 
water at parties, etc, etc.  shit like this SERIOUSLY has to stop.  
promoters, please, PLEASE find reliable security.....(not saying blaming 
this incident on the promoters, just asking ppl to check out security 
carefully)  has anything like this happened to anyone else??(at home97 or 
any other parties for that matter..)


if i'm not mistaken, you should press charges against the security crew 
for unnecessary assault and blackmail.  anyone know the laws concerning 
security and how rough they're allowed to be?  it seems like two guys 
picking you up and carrying you is not excessive. a punch in the face, 
however, is out of hand and pisses me off to even think shit like that is 
happening at parties.  maybe THAT's why i'm scared of chicago??

sick to my stomach.

milkshake

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>Ok when i go there, i'm not sure who was on, but he was tearing the shit up.
>That was around 11pm.  If someone could answer this it would be greatly
>appreciated.  I couldn't be that someone this good was on this early.

last night i heard that ben/atman/mighty from the 614 was supposed to
spinning there.  maybe this was him?  he would have been a short,
happy-looking, boogieing white kid with short (buzzed still i think) black
hair and probably big black sideburns.  anyone know?

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
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Sheez, I almost forgot about this stuff. Two of my friends and I noticed
this as well. I was not familiar with the meaning of the term "shakedown".
Now I know what it means... Okay, so here's what we gotta do. I am going to
take responsibility (yes, I am also still working on the mw-rave laminates)
to contact the promoters and determine who this security company was...
Then the truth about them will be exposed, somehow to the right people and
teach them not to fuck with our family! :)

At 03:18 PM 1/27/97 -0600, you wrote:
>okay.. i also noticed what the security was doing at HOME97.. it made me
>sick..
>
>one friend of mine was just standing around watching people dance in a
>corner when he was approached by security and harassed.  they told him that
>if he doesnt give them a certain amount of money.. they were going to search
>and arrest him.  the thing was that he had *nothing* on him.. he had been
>just standing there..minding his own business.. he's not even a suspicious
>looking guy.. anyways..  they i guess they dragged him into some room and
>then searched him.. and obviously found *nothing*.. however.. during this
>period of time.. they were pushing and shoving him around ... and just being
>complete assholes!
> 
>in addition.. i heard various stories from other party goers... who had
>similar experiences.. whether they did or did not have drugs on them.. One
>kid had to pay the security guard $100 bucks so they wouldnt turn him in for
>whatever he had been found with.  Isnt that blackmail?

Technically it is. It also makes a statement that this so-called security
company are not concerned about their customer's (promoter) customers
(ravers) AND that they have no respect for the law. I will gladly testify
against them to expose their evil and immoral ways.

>my point for writing this is that this entire situation was scary.. and that
>when u see security at a party.. u expect them to be there to ensure your
>safety.  I cannot believe that the security were able to get away with
>assaulting people.  It just doesnt make any sense why this type of violence
>needed to be used against anybody at the party.  And I wish I knew who these
>so-called security people were?  I hope the promoters are more careful next
>time.

They are going to have to be, I will make sure of it! :)

matter

P.S. Don't ever take your freinds and family for granted. There is nothing
we can't do together if we set our minds to it! :)


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I just left a message on the vibe alive v-mail line, 773.604.1676, (which
was talking about how great home97 went off. hrmph. I gave them my name,
number and told them what happenned with one of my friends (kc) at home97.
I told them that WE want to know who this security company was so that WE
can set this straight. I also told them that the security company did all
of us wrong and it's no way to treat FAMILY. Hopefully, they will do the
right thing and call me back. This cannot go without being made public.
Alla these stupid TV special reports think they know what happens at our
partys. Mebbe fox 32 or 20/20 would be interested in exposing some of these
REAL problems we are all too familiar with. Hmmm, the security company name
surely should be exposed and publicly defamed. We'll just have to see how
the promoters handle this one. ;)

matter

P.S. Sorry for going off too much, but I am PISSED about this one!


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Satya Chheda:

> okay.. i also noticed what the security was doing at HOME97.. it made me
> sick..

There's nothing legal about any security or law enforcement agent directly
accepting money from you in lieu of ticket or prosecution.  Nothing.

Use your head, people.  That's extortion.  That's blackmail.

Whether they were security that were hired by the promoters or just a bunch
of con artists posing as such, I don't know.  All I know is that this isn't
an isolated incident.  I've never seen or heard of it first-hand; it's
always been a friend-of-a-friend.

If the people approached by these thugs would then go directly to the
promoter or a member of their crew, maybe something could be done about it
then instead of griping about it now.  Not to say that your complaints
aren't valid, they are, but look at it from the other side of the coin.  A
promoter isn't going to want that going on just as much as you -- probably
even more.

Support people that support you.  This means more than just walking in the
doorway, paying your money, and then walk around waiting to be entertained.
Yes, in this case it means working together a little bit to cut down on the
BS that goes on, but that's just one part.  The more you put in, the more
you get out.


-- 
Craig Stodolenak
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>>                     ****Classic Steven Wright.****
>>
>>
>> It doesn't matter what temperature the room is, it's always room temperature.
>>
>> I was an only child, eventually.
>>
>> I lost a button hole.
>>
>> I got a dog and named him `Stay'.  Now, I go `Come here, Stay!' After a
>> while, the dog went insane and wouldn't move at all.
>>
>> I have a map of the United States, life size.  1 mile equals 1 mile. It's a
>> bitch to fold it.
>>
>> I made wine out of raisins so I wouldn't have to wait for it to age.
>>
>> Last year for Christmas, I got a humidifier and a dehumidifier.... I
>> thought I'd put them in the same room and let them fight it out.
>>
>> My house is made out of balsa wood, so when I want to scare the
>> neighborhood kids I lift it over my head and tell them to get out of my
>> yard or I'll throw it at them.
>>
>> Right now I'm having amnesia and deja-vu at the same time. I think I've
>> forgotten this before.
>>
>> In my house there's this light switch that doesn't do anything.  Every so
>> often I would flick it on and off just to check. Yesterday, I got a call
>> from a woman in Germany.   She said, "Cut it out."
>>
>> Sponges grow in the ocean ...  I wonder how much deeper the oceans would be
>> if that didn't happen.
>>
>> I got pulled over by a cop, and he said, 'Do you know the speed limit here
>> is 55 miles per hour?'.  So I said, 'Oh, that's OK, I'm not going that
>> far.'
>>
>> Cross country skiing is great if you live in a small country.
>>
>> If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
>>
>> I went to the museum where they had all the heads and arms from the statues
>> that are in all the other museums.
>>
>> What's another word for Thesaurus?
>>
>> When I was crossing the border into Canada, they asked if I had any
>> firearms with me.  I said, "Well, what do you need?"
>>
>> You can't have everything.  Where would you put it?
>>
>> If you were going to shoot a mime, would you use a silencer?
>>
>> I planted some bird seed.  A bird grew.  Now I don't know what to feed it.
>>
>> You know how it is when you go to be the subject of a psychology
>> experiment, and nobody else shows up, and you think maybe that's part of
>> the experiment?
>>
>> The sign said "eight items or less".  So I changed my name to Les.
>>
>> I had some eyeglasses. I was walking down the street when suddenly the
>> prescription ran out.
>>
>> I went to a general store.  They wouldn't let me buy anything specific.
>>
>> I love to go shopping. I love to freak out salespeople. They ask me if they
>> can help me, and I say,' Have you got anything I'd like?'  Then they ask me
>> what size I need, and I say, ' Extra medium.'
>>
>> I busted a mirror and got seven years bad luck, but my lawyer thinks he can
>> get me five.
>>
>> When I was a kid I had a friend who worked in a radio station. Whenever we
>> walked under a bridge, you couldn't hear what he said.
>>
>> I watched the Indy 500, and I was thinking that if they left earlier they
>> wouldn't have to go so fast.
>>
>> I have an answering machine in my car. It says "I'm home now. But leave a
>> message and I'll call when I'm out."
>>
>> On the other hand, you have different fingers.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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michael
allroy

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greta *kinda* wrote:

>here's an idea for everyone: the quality of the _ _ _ _ you recieve
>the night before is in direct proportion to how much your legs
>hurt the day after the next time you sleep (for me that's today)

(fill in yer own,... uh,...   blank!)

sorry (greta) for my ULTIMATE crudeness and gutterbound dirty mind.
(btw-see 'ax murderer', it's AWESOME!)

...oh yeah and one more thing:  the PACKERS  F U C K I N G  RULE!!!

i'm ohio-locked but my BROWNIES wont be back until '99 and the cheeseheads
just TOTALLY remind me of my beloved DAWGS. (and kinda smell like 'em too)

PACK!

PACK!

PACK!

PACK!

gooooooOOOOOOO PACK!

        "now let's turn dont the thermostat in that
         circus tent and play some football!"

        -lombardi's ghost (nike commercial - opening kickoff)



see ya - i'll take gouda!
kevy kev

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one day, not long ago, Jeff Stuff said (though not directly pointed at
him)...
>  i'd rather give my money to Camel and know that the
> night will run smoothly without an early halt and i will get what is on the
> flyer rather than risk giving my money to countless drug-dealing promoters
> who do not fulfull their promises.
 
too often I am confussed on what certain people fear becoming
"mainstream"  Does everyone fear the music, whether it be house, jungle,
techno, whatever, becoming so?  Or rather is it the scene becoming
"mainstream"/commercialized?  I agree with him about going to a large
corporate party (that almost sounds like a nice dinner party, haha) in a
large legal party sponsored by Camel or Mountain Dew.  You see a larger
crowd and can meet a great number of people, it's just harder to find
friends.  But I also enjoy smaller parties.  Yeah, they might get
busted, the sound might explode, the building might colapse, but thanks
to thing like that happening on occasion (except the building thing) I
have met some exceptional people.  You can come up with some remarkable
ideas when your night ends earlier than planned, and it feels even
better if you include new people, or someone includes you.  Those same
possible problems are why you only pay five or ten dollars instead of
20-25.  Plus it's a bit of mystery and excitement.  Kinda like the EGG
RAVE on BH 90201 a long time ago.  Yeah that was like nothing I've
actually experienced, but it shows that mystery/excite I speak of.
        
        What everyone needs to decide is which route they might want to
take,
if they even want to support only one.  I enjoy going to both types of
parties.  I'm not going to travel far for a small basement party that I
would travel less than an hour for, but I do support the Commercial ones
for longer trips so I can be more sure of its success and pleasures and
do all the things I mentioned above that these parties provide.

        Don't spend so much time bickering over one or the other.  Both
are
very enjoyable, it might just depend on your style.  But please don't
knock someone elses cup of tea because you don't like the flavor, drink
your own.

	And to Jeff/Stuff, what was the bit about drug dealing promoters?  It
sounds like you feel that if it's not commercial that a "countless
drug-dealing promoter" is throwing it. Is this how you feel?  If so, I
am sorry that you come from such a place.  If you aren't to far away I
want you to come to Butterfly Kisses in Bloomington, IL.  e-Mail me
privately and you will see that is not the case, and to show I'm sincere
and not a trying to be a dick bring a few friends and you can save the
$3 per person  I am charging to help pay the few expenses (space sound
gas money).  If this is not what you meant I still invite you under the
same circumstances, again I mean no rudeness at all my friend.

        And on the music tip.  The only problem I have from "underground
music" getting public play is related to the people at parties.  B96 in
Chicago often plays some phat-ass tracks.  But they often over play some
of them just like any other type of stations due.  The problem that I
have as a(n aspiring) DJ is when you can't play even a less exposed
track at a
party because Bad Boy Bill played it in a hot mix.  So what if he played
it.  Those DJ's who four track every show a week before only play that
shit for 15 seconds.  If I think a track on the UC or Aqua boogie label
is slammin, I'm gonna play it.  Too many people dislike a lot of these
tracks just because they've been played above ground.  This same thing
is happening on MTV, it's just more well known.  Be happy that someone
with similar music roots made it that far, props to whoever  has made it
that far.  

        Well enough from the Funky Preacher, keep it real, positive and
safe in all you do.

                                                                Darrin
M.
                                                                C.I.A.

2/15/97                    Butterfly Kisses                  Central
Illinois Alliance  
                         Bloomington, IL                      309 827
9781

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Dzak, Diz and Derrick Carter spun at Matisse last night (Sunday) here in
Milwaukee.  I'd say about 150-200 people were crammed into some tight but
still comfortable quarters, which then spilled into an afterhours at a
downtown warehouse, which was crowded but still chill.

I didn't hear Zak, I caught the latter half of Diz (who was alright), and
Derrick Carter (who was great) had me dancing harder than I had probably
ever in a Milwaukee club.  There was a vibe; I had a good time.

Next Sat. they're having DJ Sneak up from Chicago.  Cover was $7, which I
thought was on the steep side upon entering, but by the end of the night I'd
say it was almost worth it.  Strange thing about Milwaukee, though, is that
no club can seem to consistently bring talented DJ's here without losing
money.  The crowds stop showing up.

I dunno.  Milwaukee has had a weak club scene for a long time now.  I don't
see it changing any time soon.


-- 
Craig Stodolenak
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Good luck Greta, but be careful of people calling you mainstream if you
play a cut you like that was made "underground."  Shit like that has
been a popular topic.  Seriously though, good luck.

							Darrin M. (a.k.a. fu**ing smart*ss)
							C.I.A.

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Hey Matter,

	You shouldn't appologize so much,  you should respond/write as much as
you wan't, and have every right to bitch about illegit shit like that
(punched in chi...).  I'm not a "I know this DJ and that promoter" type
of person, but I know Mystic Bill, and I don't think he would have done
anything to cause this to happen intentionally.  Some spaces provide
there own security that promoters must use and pay (sounds like they
made plenty) and perhaps something happened at Apoclyps that caused them
to beef up the security.  For everyones sake I hope and don't feel that
Vibe Alive did anything like this intentionaly, if they did hear about
it, it might have been too late.

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

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Craig, mebbe I am misunderstanding your intentions here...

At 04:20 PM 1/27/97 -0600, Craig Stodolenak wrote:
>If the people approached by these thugs would then go directly to the
>promoter or a member of their crew, maybe something could be done about it
>then instead of griping about it now.  Not to say that your complaints
>aren't valid, they are, but look at it from the other side of the coin.  A
>promoter isn't going to want that going on just as much as you -- probably
>even more.

Sorry, but I wouldn't expect anyone to be thinking too clearly after being
cornered, harrassed and punched in the face. I don't blame kc for "griping"
about it now... I will not rest until this is made right. Even if the
promoters aren't willing to cooperate (which, I hope doesn't turn out to be
the case), this will be made right. I am going to give them a few days to
reply to my voice mail before I go crazy all over their shit. This seems
like a good oppurtunity to raise some money for a party to be thrown for
our friend kc... mebbe we'll call it "Nice" in honor of the wonderful
security people.  Perhaps WE can give the security company a taste of their
own medicine... Can you say out of court settlement... I thought you could. :)

>Support people that support you.  This means more than just walking in the
>doorway, paying your money, and then walk around waiting to be entertained.
>Yes, in this case it means working together a little bit to cut down on the
>BS that goes on, but that's just one part.  The more you put in, the more
>you get out.

That's the idea Craig, however it's a little too late for that now. Next
time (if the "promoters" don't make this right) we'll now better, but for
now, this needs to be fixed, promptly and justly. The only appropriate
action to have taken at the time this shit went down, would have been to
defend yourself by whatever means neccessary... if these means nut kicking
or eye gouging, then so be it. There is absolutely no reason for physical
confrontation with security. In fact, it is illegal for them to do much of
anything with you, besides trying to detain you while waiting for the
police to show up. This is some really serious shit and should not be
forgotten until it is resolved.

matter


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well folks....since many of us are not familar with what a security 
person can and can not do   .....here is my take being a former 
security guard/bouncer    secuirty guard is preferred term

CAN NOT DO:

1) take ANYTHING from you  be it drugs, your bookbag, your coat, your 
money, ID or ANYTHING      if they do take drugs from you and bring 
in the cops   just deny everything and say it is the security 
person's drugs and they are trying to "get you" on this
or you can claim that they are your drugs but you want to file a 
robbery report against the security person   THIS DOES WORK   I 
personally know people who have fines put against them becuase of 
robbery

2) search you      they CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT touch you AT ALL until 
you give them permission to do so....they must say "may i search you 
for weapons, bottles, and cans"  and you must either  nod, raise your 
hands (this does give permission), or verbally consent    

3) search your bookbag   THEY CAN NOT   with out your permission 
search around in your bookbag without you directly saying so.....they 
may ask you to look in your bookbag  and they may do only that  LOOK  
  they can ask you to shake the bag or move things around  BUT THEY 
CAN NOT touch ANYTHING    

4) they CAN NOT question you about drugs or related items

what they CAN DO:

1)  deny you access to limited access areas in the venue (i.e. dj 
tables, promoter room, etc.

2) deny you entrance....they must give you a full refund if you are 
denyed entrance  

3) take you aside (IN VIEW OF EVERYONE) not in a room  and question 
you..

4) they may ID you if and only if there is a curfew OR if there is 
alcohol involved...but do not   i repeat do not let them leave with 
your license     THEY CAN NOT do this       request that they go get 
someone if they must speak to someone   


KNOW THE LAWS   EDUCATE YOURSELF   

btw   best security i have seen in a while was at new years eve in 
milwaukee    RTM security is the name   if anyone at all needs good 
security in the wisconsin area  please contact me for this   i will 
refer you to the proper channels.

mikeyd
Urban(a) Techno Collective
a.k.a. discordia in some odd places

It's like at a rave we create a kind ay environment,
and it isnae just the E -- although it's maistly the
E -- that encourages that kind ay feelin.  It's the 
whole vibe.  But it doesnae transfer that well tae the 
ootside world.  Oot thair, these cunts have created a 
different environment and that kind ay environment 
lends itself mair tae the swedge rush.

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On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Do not put toaster past 6--it will burn. wrote:

> if i'm not mistaken, you should press charges against the security crew 
> for unnecessary assault and blackmail.  anyone know the laws concerning 
> security and how rough they're allowed to be?  it seems like two guys 

As I was sitting around the concession area chillin out around 2 or 3, I 
watched the securityforce (one of whom was carrying a _gun_ in one hand 
and kid in the other) kick out 10 or so people. So I was thinking... what 
can we do about this?? The answer seems to be _nothing_ except to 
pressure the promoters to get quality security people- NO judge is going 
to convict those bastards unless they raped, seriously beat, or murdered 
someone. Authorities hate these parties and want to eliminate them... 
there's no way a raver will get a positive ruling- especially if they 
really were carrying drugs. I'm not saying that's the way it should be, 
but official legal outlets aren't really an option.

Otherwise, nice party.

-corrie


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> If the people approached by these thugs would then go directly to the
> promoter or a member of their crew, maybe something could be done about it
> then instead of griping about it now.  Not to say that your complaints
> aren't valid, they are, but look at it from the other side of the coin.  A
> promoter isn't going to want that going on just as much as you -- probably
> even more.

Sometimes that's not possible. I know that if it happened to me, _I_
wouldn't be able to find a promoter in chicago.  Hell, 2 or 3 months ago,
I couldn't have even found a promoter in minneapolis.  Keep in mind that
your average raver doesn't have the connections that some of us do.  The
entire rave scene is not a network of thousands of people who all know who
the DJs and promoters are. Its made up of a small group of people who are
the promoters and the DJs and their friends and associates. Then there's
that huge mass of people sometimes referred to by me as "rave kids."
They make up the majority of the scene- regardless of the reason they're
at a party, they don't have the huge list of connections.  

And since they make up most of the rave scene, it's most likely that a
rave kid is gonna be mistreated by security. Thats just the law of
averages.  And when that happens, what can the kid do?  nothing.

I think in this situation we (MW-Raves listmembers who care) have a
responsibility to take some kind of action.  Thank you matter for doing
what you are.  

chrisE!

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At 05:11 PM 1/27/97 +0000, Darrin McCowan wrote:
>Hey Matter,
>
>	You shouldn't appologize so much,  you should respond/write as much as
>you wan't, and have every right to bitch about illegit shit like that
>(punched in chi...).  I'm not a "I know this DJ and that promoter" type

thanks 4 the support, I always TRY to do the right thing. :)

>of person, but I know Mystic Bill, and I don't think he would have done
>anything to cause this to happen intentionally.  Some spaces provide

I am sure you are right about that, but I want to see full and rapid
cooperation from vibe alive. I have no reason to associate them with this,
but I am going to get to the bottom of it. Mebbe, kc, should just be
handling this, but I am sick of taking a back seat and watching my scene
fall apart in front of my eyes. This time, I am doing something about it...
I just hope that what I do makes things better and not worse. ;)

>there own security that promoters must use and pay (sounds like they
>made plenty) and perhaps something happened at Apoclyps that caused them
>to beef up the security.  For everyones sake I hope and don't feel that
>Vibe Alive did anything like this intentionaly, if they did hear about
>it, it might have been too late.

Right on. I agree (vibe alive prolly has little to do with this), but the
point is... The security company may be responsible for the actions of
their employees during their work hours or it may be the employee himself,
who punched kc, was liable... BUT either way, something needs to be worked
out about this and everyone in Chicago (banks, hospitals, promoters, etc.)
should know what this "security" company is all about. BECAUSE: I have
found that immoral people and or companies don't just do one thing wrong
and hope they don't get caught. This kind of thing would be acceptable
practice as far as the security company is concerned and who knows what
kind of illegal and immoral things they might do in a different environment
such as a bank of hospital... R u following my train of thought here? It
isn't any good for our soceity, no matter how you look at it... Fucking
over others to get ahead is not good business practice (and is karmically
very bad for your health).

matter


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> There's nothing legal about any security or law enforcement agent directly
> accepting money from you in lieu of ticket or prosecution.  Nothing.

we aren't saying it WAS legal. at all.
 
> Use your head, people.  That's extortion.  That's blackmail.

that's why we're pissed.

> 
> If the people approached by these thugs would then go directly to the
> promoter or a member of their crew, maybe something could be done about it
> then instead of griping about it now.  Not to say that your complaints
> aren't valid, they are, but look at it from the other side of the coin.  A
> promoter isn't going to want that going on just as much as you -- probably
> even more.

yes, this is a GRAND idea........if it happens to you, find someone! tell 
someone!! (well, unless you got busted with a bunch of drugs, then i can 
see why their system works so well.)





milkshake

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On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Darrin McCowan wrote:
> anything to cause this to happen intentionally.  Some spaces provide
> there own security that promoters must use and pay (sounds like they
> made plenty) and perhaps something happened at Apoclyps that caused them
> to beef up the security.  For everyones sake I hope and don't feel that

I saw lots of the same security people at Apocalyse, but they were 
(almost) totally cool there, 'cept for the water bottles bit. But that 
party _did_ get busted at 4am, supposedly b/c of the alderman. So maybe 
they were told to step it up to please the authorities. Who knows. All I 
know is that I didn't see anyone getting thrown out by those same 
security ppl last time.

-corrie

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At 05:24 PM 1/27/97 -0600, Felinicity wrote:
>As I was sitting around the concession area chillin out around 2 or 3, I 
>watched the securityforce (one of whom was carrying a _gun_ in one hand 
>and kid in the other) kick out 10 or so people. So I was thinking... what 
>can we do about this?? The answer seems to be _nothing_ except to 
>pressure the promoters to get quality security people- NO judge is going 
>to convict those bastards unless they raped, seriously beat, or murdered 
>someone. Authorities hate these parties and want to eliminate them... 
>there's no way a raver will get a positive ruling- especially if they 
>really were carrying drugs. I'm not saying that's the way it should be, 
>but official legal outlets aren't really an option.

We'll see about that...

I don't think the security company (or buidling owner, as the case may be)
wants to deal with the possibility of having their reputation ruined (I am
certain that vibe alive feels this way)...

They will prolly opt for an out of court settlement. In which case, the
legal outlets never need to be fully utilized. ;)

m


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ChrisE:

> > If the people approached by these thugs would then go directly to the
> > promoter or a member of their crew...
>
> Sometimes that's not possible. I know that if it happened to me, _I_
> wouldn't be able to find a promoter in chicago.  

In my mind, if you treat promoters as faceless evil machines, that's what
they'll remain.  I'm not advocating that we all invite our local production
crews out for a beer, but don't just lie down and play good consumer,
either.

The people taking money at the door, the guys moving the sound around, the
people walking around with the big MagLites... I don't understand.  I don't
see parties as some big bottomless unfreindly hole, at least not yet, and if
I ever did I don't think I'd just take it quietly.

If parties ever got so big that I couldn't find out who was in charge or
they were somehow unapproachable, I know I wouldn't call it a party.  It'd
be a concert.

I like parties, not concerts.

...
> They make up the majority of the scene- regardless of the reason they're
> at a party, they don't have the huge list of connections.  

If you're treated like just a $20 bill walking in and out of the door, then
why are you there?  You can find other places to go, I'm sure.  Or even stay
home.

I was thinking about this at a party I was at a few weeks ago.  Just how
much bullshit are we willing to put up with in a certain area of the midwest
to get a chance to listen to the kinds of music we want to listen to and be
in an evrionment where we have at least some greater freedom to do what we
want and be with the people we like?  

I'm not focusing on any one area; each place has its weird crap to put up
with.  Whether that be attitudes, drugs, thugs or devil worship.  You have
to decide what you're willing and not willing to deal with, and then stand
by your convictions and make yourself be heard.  At what point do we say
"enough"?


-- 
Craig Stodolenak
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Has anyone seen the Wall Street Journal today? They have a story about 
techno hoping to boost record sales with the success of the Chemical 
Bros. and stuff like that. 

Just thought I'd let everyone know, happy surfing.


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Hey all,

since we all need a little media happiness after the 20/20 incident,=20
here's a pretty positive article that appeared in the WSJ today. You=20
wanna talk commercialization? Now all the corporate-types have filed=20
this away in their "to-exploit" files...

-corrie

______________________________
Corrie Watterson  773-667-7888=09    =20
=09
 One may dream of a culture=20
  where everyone bursts into=20
   laughter when someone says:=20
    this is true, this is real.
         -Jean Baudrillard =20


>=20
>   The Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition -- January 27,
>                              1997
>=20
>  Will Pulsing Techno Sound
>  Rev Up the Music Business?
>=20
>  By PATRICK M. REILLY
>  Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
>=20
>  When Tommy Tunes, Frankie Bones and Adam X took the stage
>  recently at the Asbury Park, N.J., Convention Hall, it
>  didn't look like any ordinary rock concert.
>=20
>  Instead of guitars, the performers jammed on computer gear
>  and sound machines. One performer wowed the crowd with a
>  PC, his fingers flying over the keyboard and unleashing
>  brief snippets of recorded music and sounds from the
>  machine's hard drive. They filled the arena with an
>  entrancing sound known as "techno" -- electronic dance
>  music with a driving beat, psychedelic sound distortion and
>  occasional lyrics that consist largely of hypnotically
>  repeated phrases.
>=20
>  Long played in the underground culture of "raves,"
>  all-night dance parties fueled by the euphoria-inducing
>  drug Ecstasy, techno music is breaking into the mainstream.
>  And record companies -- desperate for the Next Big Thing
>  amid two years of flat music sales and a sense that
>  "alternative" rock is flagging -- are starting to place
>  their bets on the growing genre.
>=20
>  Its stars include the influential Chemical Brothers, on the
>  Astralwerks label of EMI Group PLC; the powerful U.K. band
>  Prodigy, on the independent label Mute Records; Orbital, a
>  duo on the Ffrr label of PolyGram NV; and Goldie, another
>  Ffrr artist who features a "techno/jungle" sound that mixes
>  soul, hip-hop, reggae and pulsating beats of 160 per minute
>  or higher.
>=20
>  EMI's Caroline Records, known as an alternative-rock
>  launching pad, is trimming its rock roster to make a big
>  push for techno. Influential radio stations are now playing
>  more techno music; KROQ in Los Angeles has had Orbital and
>  Prodigy on its closely watched playlist, and have played
>  the Chemical Brothers. "Music for the Jilted Generation," a
>  two-year-old record by Prodigy, has seen sales shoot up in
>  the past six months, and now Time Warner Inc. is trying to
>  snap it up.
>=20
>  "Until the sales of Chemical Brothers and Prodigy made
>  noises, there was no point in the majors investing," says
>  Mark Fotiadis, general manager of Prodigy's U.S. label Mute
>  Records. "But they like to say sales can cure cancer."
>=20
>  But the selling of techno poses some significant marketing
>  problems for the music industry. The genre has few
>  recognizable performers who look good on videos and album
>  covers. Its stars are as much producers, engineers and DJs
>  as they are performers. Furthermore, turning atmospheric
>  electronic tracks into hit singles will be tricky, since
>  they usually don't fit the three- to four-minute format of
>  most radio hits and rarely have lyrics. (Chemical Brothers'
>  breakout hit "Setting Sun," has a spacey, mantra-like
>  refrain: "I tell you that it's just too bad.")
>=20
>  "The challenge is to establish clear-cut artists in the
>  dance techno market. Club people love it, but how do you
>  spread it to a wider demographic?" says Gary Arnold, vice
>  president of marketing of Best Buy Co., a major music
>  retailer. Mr. Arnold says techno's popularity mystifies
>  him. "As a consumer I don't get it -- but my 18-year-old
>  daughter loves it."
>=20
>  Mystifying as it may be to an older generation, the techno
>  sound is starting to creep into American pop culture. The
>  Gap plays the electronic artist Goldie on its in-store
>  music tapes. TV ads for the Microsoft Network use a
>  techno-like sound from the Los Angeles producers known as
>  Dust Brothers. MTV, bellwether of virtually every music
>  trend of the past 15 years, cut its hours of rock and rap
>  videos and added a new techno show called "Amp." U2, whose
>  brooding alternative rock made it one of the world's most
>  popular bands, is shifting gears on its March release with
>  several songs its label executives describe as "more
>  electronic, techno, more experimental."
>=20
>  The U2 record will open "a lot of pop and rock people's
>  minds to new sounds," says Jim Welch, a former director of
>  artists and repertoire at Sony Corp.'s Sony Music's
>  Columbia Records. "It will be a new kind of crossover."
>=20
>  Record executives say the techno trend also heralds a turn
>  in American youth culture. They say young concert goers and
>  CD buyers are burned out on the anxiety and grit of
>  alternative rock and rap, the last two genres that ignited
>  blockbuster music sales. Last year, anticipated releases
>  from alternative rock groups like Pearl Jam had
>  disappointing sales, while the number of radio stations
>  with rap formats declined.
>=20
>  Perhaps in reaction to rock's intensity, there's a market
>  today for a more upbeat, unconfrontational sound. An
>  executive at a major U.S. record label sensed the signs of
>  a new market when he caught a recent New York show by the
>  Chemical Brothers, "The dancing never stopped and there
>  wasn't a bad vibe in the room," he says.
>=20
>  The rave scene still carries with it an association with
>  drugs, the kind needed to stay up all night and dance. But
>  as raves and techno music go mainstream, safer alternatives
>  are appearing. To counter the stereotype of drugs at raves,
>  Robb Hart, a co-head of the Watermark label, runs a sister
>  company called Pure Children, which puts on squeaky-clean
>  raves -- complete with security battalions to check for
>  weapons and drugs. "The rave scene gets a bad rap," says
>  Mr. Hart. "Most kids are there to hold hands. They are lost
>  and need to hold somebody ... It's very communal."
>=20
>  At the New Year's Eve rave at Asbury Park, where teenagers
>  danced from 11 p.m. to 9 a.m. to the beat of techno music,
>  20-year-old Andrew Deming was on hand for more than just
>  the music. "What I like about raving is it's a place you
>  can go for 12 hours and be warm and listen to music with
>  friends," he says. "You can do what you want and be
>  yourself. There aren't many places like that any more."
>=20
>  What about alternative rock and grunge? "Pearl Jam and
>  Soundgarden are all sold out and cheesy and played out on
>  the radio. Everybody sounds like them," says Mr. Deming.
>=20
>                             [Image]
>      Copyright =A9 1997 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights
>                           Reserved.

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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Peggy Hroma wrote:

> Sorry, the Minneapolis scene sounds a lot different then the scene here in
> Chicago.  It's not violent at parties here.  Raves here are safe
> places to experiment with lsd and ecstasy.

I'm from Chicago, IL. where is this Chicago you speak of.  No disrespect
but do you work for 20/20?  I see why you might say that people know
where you are coming from when you use at a party, but no place is a
safe place for drug use/abuse.  Well, maybe a hospital.  Can I have a
map to your Chicago?

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

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For my first tape I bought an adhesive/sticker paper @ Kinko's and ran
it through the copy machine with the original printed on my Style Writer
2500.  It just pasted it something like 40-up on my computer(depending
on your sticker preforation).  The labels I used where pre-preforated at
about 1/2" X 1 1/2".  You could try to find the labels with real holes
already cut and layout your design in the right alignment.  You could
buy uncut sticker paper, run it through your printer, or save ink and go
to Kinko's, print it, then cut it your self.  Or, if you have the $ look
inthe yellow pages under SOUND, DISC JOCKEYS, etc... and find someone
that does cassette duplication and ask them to do it, hell, have 'em do
the tapes too, it saves a lot of trouble.

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

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To tell you the truth Chicago parties are going waaaaaaay downhill--that's
why a bunch of us stopped going for a long time now!
*ArasarA*  

On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Do not put toaster past 6--it will burn. wrote:

> 
> christ-on-a-bun.  and i bitch about paying 22 bux for busted parties, no 
> water at parties, etc, etc.  shit like this SERIOUSLY has to stop.  
> promoters, please, PLEASE find reliable security.....(not saying blaming 
> this incident on the promoters, just asking ppl to check out security 
> carefully)  has anything like this happened to anyone else??(at home97 or 
> any other parties for that matter..)
> 
> 
> if i'm not mistaken, you should press charges against the security crew 
> for unnecessary assault and blackmail.  anyone know the laws concerning 
> security and how rough they're allowed to be?  it seems like two guys 
> picking you up and carrying you is not excessive. a punch in the face, 
> however, is out of hand and pisses me off to even think shit like that is 
> happening at parties.  maybe THAT's why i'm scared of chicago??
> 
> sick to my stomach.
> 
> milkshake
> 


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On Sat. John wrote...
> Minneapolis has really lost it.  I'm not too hopeful for a recovery either.
> What was once some kind of moving forward scene, ripe with enthusiasm,
> creativity and inspiration; has since dwindled into a bunch of drunk
> primates shouting wanna-be ghetto slang.

houza'bout central IL?  Come back and bring the descent people, we have
monkeys at the zoo.  And we have fireworks too!!  Tell the crew I said
hi.

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

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I am almost 98.2% positive that the story is airing Thursday at 5:30, but 
now I've heard two different times.  I've emailed the station's Research 
Director but no reply yet.

Amene
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>If the people approached by these thugs would then go directly to the
>promoter or a member of their crew, maybe something could be done about it
>then instead of griping about it now.

shortly after i was put in the little room to be searched, Mystic Bill came
in and told the security guys that "there's no need to be physical." i
figure either he saw me get hit or someone told him. as for the security
guys, i'm sure they were hired, but i wouldn't be surprised if they were
picked up off the streets and asked if they wanted to make some money.

-kc


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Okay, I am disgusted as most everyone by the whole Packers thing, for
many many reasons.  Consider this:  the state of Wisconsin is known for
the cheese wedge hat and little else.  I find this awful considering all
the really great things that are going on here.  Beyond the cheese,
packers, and fat statistics this is actually a really cool place.  

I am perhaps most disturbed by the mass hysteria created by events like
the Superbowl.   Really, does professional football have ANYTHING to do
with the average person's life, realistically speaking?  Of course not. 
The value shifts in this country are so disgusting (e.g.  television,
professional sports, gossip vs.  family and friends, developing one's own
skills, being a good person).  The more people shift focus towards things
that don't involve them on any realistic level, the more fucked up the
country is going to get.  

I realize of course that when things get tough it's a lot easier to live
in fantasy (be it drugs, mental breakdowns, or professional football)
than face facts, but unless we do it's just going to get crazier.  That's
why I like a lot of the people I've met in the rave community.  They're
living their lives, creating new, wonderful realities, and concentrating
on great things that involve them.  That's why I have such confidence in
our generation of people.  Despite what 20/20, our parents, the
government, says, we know what's going on, and we're going to make it.

Forget the Packers.

Concentrate on THIS reality!

elka

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Hmm...

William Dwyer wrote:
> 
> As something of an update to a query some time ago, Amp on MTV seems to
> have become a regular. I checked the TV schedule when someone first
> reported on this program and didn't find it. Last week, however, I read a
> review of the program in Monday's New York Times. I can't recall specific
> details other than that the president of MTV commented that the show gets
> 350,000 viewers which, she says, should be compared to the 50,000 viewers
> for any other shows in their schedule. I looked at the TV guide again and

...

> bil
> bdwyer@grove.ufl.edu

his numbers are confusing me, I think he meant 500,000 normally?
 But what do I know?

I just finally picked up Trip Hop Test Pt. 3.
I think this is by far the best of the series.

Along with that order I got my second Chop Shop comp.. "Hip Hop Collage"
No shit. This is the most soulful, cracked up, jazzy, get yo hed noddin
n
 ass moving albumn I own.  .... Wow.      the track 'Soul on Ice'
 is from another world I swear...

I went up to visit some friends in Dayton on Saturday, my first time
 at the Asylum, the place is all right, but I was diggin so hard to the
dj
 that was puttin out straight up Hard Trance for a good while, twice 
 that night, most fun I've ever had at a club.

Talked to some kid there, he was tellin me that Pittsburg is the
 best party scene there is, I dunno, never been...

 originally ignorant
 formerly knowledgeable
 currently hypocritical		-Hike  
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I was just wondering,
 
	do you all really think Richie Hawtin is a good DJ? 

 I mean, I
don't deny the man's talent as a producer-his records and cd's are
awesome, and he USED to be able to make me scream and dance and dance and
dance and...

 but the last two times I've heard him spin (Jak-o-lantern and
Sickness and Recovery) I would say he was...BORING. 

 He does know how to
throw a party (so why did he use THE WAREHOUSE at Jak's Bak??????)-which
is why I still attend most of hisparties-that, and also because of the
fact that John Aquaviva often plays (MY FAVE!!!!!).  Just wondering
what y'all thought.

--Amy


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> 	do you all really think Richie Hawtin is a good DJ? 

his mixmag CD is really good... i've never seen him spin out so I can't
say for sure how good he is at that. Things will change come march 15th
though.. (stairway to headphones)

> is why I still attend most of hisparties-that, and also because of the
> fact that John Aquaviva often plays (MY FAVE!!!!!).  Just wondering
> what y'all thought.

I thought you were all about the detroit techno? what're you doing with a
house DJ as your favorite? :) just playin with ya...

chrisE!

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I can really hear where you all are coming from about Juan...

I love the guy, when he plays electro (eg:night #2 at Metroplex 10th
anniversary in
1995) and he really played a great set at 420, but I remember the first
night at Metroplex, where he was playing something house-ish, and several
times I stopped dancing because the beats were off.  That night i decided
he was better at making records than spinning them...but the next night I
changed my mind.  I think it just depends on when you catch him, and maybe
what he's spinning.  DJ's are only human, they're allowed to make mistakes
too, you know.

I wish you could all hear him bust out the electro, though.  He does it
like NO ONE else can.

>From my brain to yours (scary!!!),
--Amy


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At 06:13 PM 1/27/97 +0000, Darrin McCowan wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Peggy Hroma wrote:
>
>> Sorry, the Minneapolis scene sounds a lot different then the scene here in
>> Chicago.  It's not violent at parties here.  Raves here are safe
>> places to experiment with lsd and ecstasy.
>
>I'm from Chicago, IL. where is this Chicago you speak of.  No disrespect
>but do you work for 20/20?  I see why you might say that people know
>where you are coming from when you use at a party, but no place is a
>safe place for drug use/abuse.  Well, maybe a hospital.  Can I have a
>map to your Chicago?

Darrin: I would love to move to Peggy's Chicago... I too am stuck here in
Chicago, IL. Where it's commonplace to have male security busting down the
stalls in the womens bathrooms, punching innocent ravers, blackmailing and
extorting people... No violence at parties, must be nice...

Peggy: where is your Chicago, I wanna go! ;)

m


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I heard from a third hand report (a smaller DJ @ Unified) that Juan and
Derrick have both decided to come and spin.  Though Derrick doesn't like
Chicago anylonger he will be there, and Juan is feeling better or
something.  Don't quote me but I was told this (like in Ferris Bueller)
by a friend who knows Stacey Pullen's roommate rather well.  I'm still
heading to Porcuipine Rocketship though.

								Darrin M.
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	Does anyone from Indianna know this girl named Page that was
supposed ta throw her first party with her boyfriend (cant remember his
name) towards the end of January or so?  They said they had DJ HEll and
Hyperactive  on the lineup......they both said they knew of hyperreal, but
didnt bother ta ask them if they were on the mailing list....if someone
out there does know her....could ya send me her e-mail adress or digits?
Thanks.......

Peace and much respect


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Thank you to Felinicity for posting this WHOLE artlcle.

U2 gone techno?  What is the world coming to?

The WSJ is supporting electronic music to make money off it?  I think I'm
going to be sick.  

When I look around myself at parties naw-a-days, I wonder, is "raving"
becoming the norm?  I am so afraid that this once underground scene is on
its last leg-and I'm going to have to find something new...

depressed,
Amy


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At 08:01 PM 1/27/97 -0800, Ben (not Linda Mautner) wrote:
>Has anyone seen the Wall Street Journal today? They have a story about 
>techno hoping to boost record sales with the success of the Chemical 
>Bros. and stuff like that. 

Yeah, funny, I heard talk this morning on Q101 "alternative radio" about
techno, Gary Numan, Bjorg, Prodigy... They sounded like computer executives
throwing out big technology buzz words without any concept of what they
were talking about. I can't wait to see all of the senseless American
trend-followers buying old used techno CDs and albums, because their
friends got 'em. While all of us enjoy the latest underground craze:
classical music!

stupid sheep or enlightened ravers?
...u be the judge

m


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I shit you not...

Just after leaving our hotel room in Calumet Park after Home 97 (see my
review for smiles and giggles) we saw a billboard for Coca-Cola that said
only:

				R U ON E?

I shit you not!!!!!!!!

--Amy


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okay, this is just me again checking up on who's gonna be at porcupine
rocketship...  if you're gonna be there, lemme know so we can meet up or
something! :)

i still say net-meet at the drinky place at 2am...

here's my crew as it currently stands:
me, john/dove, jon/dica, ann marie, derek o'brien, and probably marc
egley.

(which makes it an all netraver posse. watch out! :P )

chrisE!

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>        do you all really think Richie Hawtin is a good DJ?

YES.  he doesn't have the greatest skills in the world...but he can read a
crowd better than *ANY* other dj i know of.  he knows exactly what to drop
to make the party people lose their shit.

this is me on the drug called richie: "wooooo!!!!  WOOOO!!!"  *dance*
*dance *smile* *shakes head in disbelief* *dance* "WOOOOOOO!!!!" *carrying
on*

> but the last two times I've heard him spin (Jak-o-lantern and
>Sickness and Recovery) I would say he was...BORING.

i think you prolly mean jak's back, since he TORE THE SHIT UP at
jak-olantern.  not that he wasn't good at jak's bak.  he was.  at sickness
i think he was trying not to upstage jeff mills, the techno god who walks
as man.  and that is cool as hell.

>
> He does know how to
>throw a party (so why did he use THE WAREHOUSE at Jak's Bak??????)

yes he does.  better than ANYONE in my experience.  i think the reason for
using the warehouse was the last-minuteness of it all, and he prolly knew
the warehouse was a safe, legal, bustproof venue that was quickly
attainable.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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You may want to read this, just cuz it's a Detroiter's view of a Chi-town
party...

or maybe just cuz I'm such a dork that I make you laugh...

Anyway, I'm such a dork that this was MY FIRST CHICAGO PARTY.  Yes, I know
I'm a dork ,but I'm also poor, and until recently had no way of getting
there.

Anyway, I'll try to keep this brief so you don't just delete it...

Space:)/:( the mall?  THE MALL?? I can't believe I went to aparty at THE
MALL!!!  It actually was a pretty good space though--MINUS THE CARPET!!!
Damn, that shit SUCKED MY ASS!!! ( Sorry, I swear a lot.)  The first room
was SO FUCKING HOT my ballz were sweating (huh?)!  Unfortunately, I had to
leave that room several times during excellent music because I danced so
hard, I couldn't take the heat.

Sound--I don't know, kinda fuzzy sometimes.  I'm a speaker freak, and the
ones in the main room almost broke my eardrums.  I seriously could FEEL
them vibrating.

Lights-I liked the way it was dim, but not BLACK in the first room.  I
like to be able to see ppl smiling around me.  The lights in the main room
SERIOUSLY FUCKED ME UP!!!! And I was sober! (Sorry about the many !!!!'s
but if I was talking, I'd be shouting in yer ear)

Crowd-I didn't notice all that many fucked up ppl laying around, but them
again I'm from the D where that's what 1/2 the party is usually doing...

Music-  okay, this is what really matters to me... I think I heard every
dj (minus the 3rd room-I just wasn't in the mood for jungle that night),
mostly because I had to keep changing rooms because I was too hot or too
bored.  Honestly, I was kind of disappointed over all.  See, house is my
FAVORITE shit to dance to, and I thought Chicago would just rock my world,
especially at a party called "Home".  But any way, here's a qwik rundown
of the dj's:

Mike Dearborn:  didn't hear much, sounded okay, I left a 1/2 hour into his
set to hear Mr. Fingers in the main room

Mr. Fingers: pretty good, although the whole time I wanted to bump his
pitch control up to about +1, he sounded like he was playing EVERYTHING at
about -1.

Robert Armani: pretty good, but IT WAS TOO DAMN HOT IN THAT ROOM!!!!

(I'm sorry I'm only saying 'pretty good' but none of these dj's really
left me with much of a lasting impression)

Farley:  FINALLY, a dj to make me dance!! He doesn't fake the funk, folks.

Paul Johnson:  Never heard the guy before, only the hype about him.  His
set left me wondering what all the hype was about.

Traxx:  Pretty good.  Probably the 2nd best of the night.

Spencer Kinsey:  AW YEAH!! Although he played a lot of shit I can hear on
the radio after midnight on Saturday in Detroit, he played all the ones I
like to hear on the radio after midinght  on Staurday in Detroit.  The
biggest surprise was when I looked over to see him in a wheel chair!!!
Oh yeah, some guy told me--you go girl-- while I was dancing to this
set--guess I got down.

Mystic Bill:  This man was probably the main reason I drove all the way
down 94, where I couldn't even see the lines on the road, much less
anything 10 feet in front of my car for 4 1/2 hours.  I'd never seen him
play, but ever since borrowing (and never returning) 'Melody to Mind' Bill
has been one of my must-see-befor-I-die dj's.  I am sad to say I thought
he was the worst dj of the night.  He spun the cheeziest crap I ever heard
for the first 40 minutes of his set.  It wasn't even close to house.  It
sonded like Depeche Mode or something.  Finally, at about 20 minutes
before the night was over, he spun some so-so house.  I felt like crying.
What's up with that???

One last thing: I was sober for this entire party until during the last 2
hours my boyfriend talked me into splitting a pill with him (how could I
say no, he was buying).  All I have to say is a big FUCK YOU to whoever
sold me those dirt as yellow splits.  As soon as my "buzz" kicked in, I
felt like shit and thought I was going to HURL at any second.  Thanks
alot, fuck face, for ruining my scene..and no, I don't think I'M ruining
my scene by taking a 1/2 pill at the end of a party...

Anyway ( I say this word alot, too) I hope someone is still reading this
because I cracked myself up writing it ( Icrack my self up;P!!!)

Later,
--Amy


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This weekend there will be another vibey house
party in East Lansing.  Headlining is Twonz, and Silicon..
It will be real inexpensive to get in-like 7 bucks..I will
also be doing some livework down there in a second
room-so what have you got to lose.  Get more detailed info
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I really did mean Jak-o-lantern when I said he SUCKED!!!! I sat down out
in the dirty-ass "chill room" through most of his set, because very time I
went back to give him another chance, he sucked some more.

But as usual, this is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their
own. (That's why I asked in the first place.)

Do you really think he can read a crowd?  If that's so, wouldn't he have
changed his style at Sickness to account for all the lost ppl around the
fire?

Did you go WOOO!!!! at Sickness?  I did when he played the previous year's
party (one year to the date, I think) in the barn--THE FREE ONE.  It was
the first time I'd ever heard him and I too, went WOOO!!!!! the whole
time.  Speaking of the free party, did any of you go?  

Does anyone know whatever became of an excellent dj named ALTON MILLER? He
played at the FREE PARTY IN THE BARN, as it has come to be known as in my
circle of friends.

Later, 
Amy


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kctopitz@students.wisc.edu wrote:

> shortly after i was put in the little room to be searched, Mystic Bill came
> in and told the security guys that "there's no need to be physical." i
> figure either he saw me get hit or someone told him. as for the security
> guys, i'm sure they were hired, but i wouldn't be surprised if they were
> picked up off the streets and asked if they wanted to make some money.
> 
> -kc


all this stuff about home97 and the security is really starting to scare 
me.  i was actually starting to feel safe at raves, and then the 
security guards pull this.  kc, i couldn't even imagine what i would've 
done if i was in your position.  i'm a lot smaller than most security 
guards, but i know that if i saw any of this happening i would go up and 
see what was going on w/ whoever i was w/.  this shouldn't be done.  
security guards are supposed to help SECURE the party and make it safe 
and enjoyable, not a place where everyone is scared shitless of being 
harassed.   good thing mystic bill tried to help, though i'm not sure if 
it would've even gotten through to these assholes.



				=)andrea

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At 09:29 PM 1/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>U2 gone techno?  What is the world coming to?
>

        Actually I heard their song on the radio a few times and must say
that it is NOT techno. The fact that the media like to lable anysong that
has a electronic equipment used in the making as techno is starting to bore
me. The U2 song is really pop/rock and nothing more. It sounds nothing like
Chemical Brothers, even though the papers like to categorize it as the same
thing. ..

bored with the media hype,

james clar


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this is not a flame. this is a series of questions intended to provoke 
thought.

On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Amy Rene Rickets wrote, but im sure many others 
would also say...:
: > 
> When I look around myself at parties naw-a-days, I wonder, is "raving"
> becoming the norm?  I am so afraid that this once underground scene is on
> its last leg-and I'm going to have to find something new...
> 

why? why find something new? when you got into the rave scene, what was 
it for? was it because you wanted to be part of the cutting edge 
underground movement (which there are numerous amounts of, punk was at 
one time, so was disco, new wave...connection becoming apparent?) that 
none of the kids that had made fun of you in high school had caught on to 
yet? or was it because you loved the music, and wanted to go to a venue 
where you could dance to it all night long?  

if the scene died, would the music still appeal? or would it be dropped, 
all your plastikman cd's in the same used CD store as your nirvana cds, 
and before that your mc hammer cds, and so on...

the underground in terms of what we used to know is dying on a large 
scale. we need to figure out how to adapt accordingly. how do we do that?

just some thoughts...

dylan


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This is seriously not a chain letter, but something for a good cause.
Please continue reading.... you are not required to do anything.....

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just testing to see if my messages are getting posted to the list yet :(
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On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Amy Rene Rickets wrote:

> I was just wondering,
>  
> 	do you all really think Richie Hawtin is a good DJ? 
> 

*some stuff snipped*

>  but the last two times I've heard him spin (Jak-o-lantern and
> Sickness and Recovery) I would say he was...BORING. 


well...i personally can't get enough of his dj'ing.  his track selection
is incredible as he plays the most minimal, twisted, tweaky tracks.  its
pure intensity.  granted, it may seem overly minimal to some people, but i
don't think that every track played at party has to be party anthem, crowd
pleasing type tracks.  not that i don't mind them, but i would like to
hear something other than "flash" by fix everytime i go a party (just as
an example).  he messes with your head during his set and its great!!

i thought his set at sickness/recovery was cool (its not everyday i can
hear the burial mix record on a system that does it justice!!).  his set
at jak's back was even better (the crowd went nuts when he played
spastik).  but, my favorite richie set to date was jak II back in october
of 1994.  cool space, cool tracks (he played the infamous 7 ways to jack),
great party.  


>  He does know how to
> throw a party (so why did he use THE WAREHOUSE at Jak's Bak??????)-which
> is why I still attend most of hisparties-that, and also because of the
> fact that John Aquaviva often plays (MY FAVE!!!!!).  Just wondering
> what y'all thought.


whenever plus 8 throws a party, you can always expect a quality and
intense night of music.  also, i've really liked john acquaviva's sets
lately.  he has been playing more harder stuff lately....


aaron bennett
western michigan university/black nation records: kalamazoo, michigan
x6bennet@lab2.cc.wmich.edu

halfway between detroit and chicago....




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One word for y'all:  Moonflower.
Live and learn.  'nuff said.
But anyways...

========================================================================

Matter said:
>I am going to give them a few days to
>reply to my voice mail before I go crazy all over their shit.
...
>This time, I am doing something about it...


Wooo, go Matter, go Matter!!  =)  Go craaaaaaaazy!!!

What happens when a Matter goes wild??...........


     COMING SOON TO A THEATER NEAR YOU:

         ***  RAVE VENGEANCE  ***

             starring MATTER


<movie preview announcer voice...>
At this party, they messed with the wrong person.

                     <insert sound and visual of
                      a gun cocking here>

At this party, they did the wrong thing.

                     <hear people screaming for help
                      in the background as armed security
                      guards push a speaker bin over
                      onto a dancing crowd>

Today, it all stops.

                     <insert slow-motion scene of matter
                      running and diving away from a huge
                      fiery explosion and barely making
                      it out alive>

There's no escaping the vengeance...

                     <insert scene of a few security guards
                      gettin' picked-off by some tall dude in
                      phat pants and a "Detroit Muscle" shirt>

...of a raver gone wild.

                     <close-up shot of matter saying some sort
                      of catchy 'hero' phrase: "I am the most
                      difficult molecule known to science.
                      YOU WILL PAY.">
                     <flash horror scene of some dude choking
                      to death on Pez candies which were
                      jammed down his throat>

He'll do whatever it takes...

                  >> Quick snap-shot of matter poking out
                     someone's eye with an incense stick <<
                  >> Quick snap-shot of matter crushing someone's
                     ribs with a death bear-hug <<
                  >> Quick snap-shot of the mandatory "hero finds
                     sly, mysterious female to have sex with"
                     scene <<    (wooo, matter, nice ass!!!)  ;D

...to ensure that justice is served.

Rated R... for Rave...

             ========> An Oliver is Stoned production
             ========> Soundtrack by Debbie Gibson & Don Dokken
             ========> Featuring techno remixes by Gerardo
             ========> The popcorn you're eating has been pissed on

=========================================================================


"Remember, things run a lot more smoothly when you have joy."  =)

Sorry, couldn't resist... it's just hard for me to think of matter as
getting tough on someone, 'cuz he's one of the smiliest and happiest and
most huggable people I know. :)  Hm, but surely there's a side there I
haven't seen, and I sure wouldn't wanna mess with it!!  ;)

  Up to my usual antics, ;>

           Randy
            a d    <--- to be taken not with a grain
             n          of salt, but with a whole
            a d         phrikkin' salt truck!!
           Randy

   Remember, kiddies -- LSD melts in your mind, not in your hand.



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Zorica Stancevic wrote:
> 
> i definately agree that the story on 20/20 was very one-sided...although
> in all of the features i have seen about "raves and drugs" on television
> this one was the best...
> anyways..i just want to voice what is a little problem with me and this
> whole rave/drug thing...
> why is it that all of the journalists/media focus in on the drugs so
> mucha nd nothing else..granted i feel that drug use at parties is a
> problem *but* i do know my fair share of ravers who do not do drugs..and
> for those in these feature presentations..all those parents who blame the
> promoters/other kids/police/etc...and granted i do feel bad for them..but
> their child made a *choice* and why should the rest of us be punished for
> a choice that some other child makes...
> americans are so good at blming someone else it is crazy..:(
> that is all i have to say on the topic..
> -Zorica
ANYBODY GOT A COPY OF THE 20/20 EPISODE???/   Unfortunately I am one of
those idiots who can't figure out how to program her vcr.  I am dying to
see it, seems to be all anyone is  ranting and "raving "  about (no pun
intended!!)  .   pleez lemme know if i could borrow a copy and reimburse
for shipping and handling fees and then some for your oh-so-generous
humanitarian act
   
(((((((((((AnnE Marie ))))))))))     
         (im in madison, WI if that is of any consequence)

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(this is just a test.)

---AnnE Marie    E-Quis

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jdowns@itis.com wrote:
> 
> (this is just a test.)
> 
> ---AnnE Marie    E-Quis
Matter,  thank-you thank-you thank-you!! It worked! finally , she got
on!! uh-oh...

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On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, chrisE! wrote:

> 
> okay, this is just me again checking up on who's gonna be at porcupine
> rocketship...  if you're gonna be there, lemme know so we can meet up or
> something! :)
> 
i'll be there. provided i get a ride. anyone taking 74 through peoria?
thanks.

--
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Alright, I gthink this post on the football packers thing was just 
completely off and unneccesary for this list.

It really bothers me that you could put down something that many people 
feel is part of their culture, and that they belong in it.

Do you think everyone that enjoys football thinks parties are completely 
neccesary? And how many partiers are *reallY* doing amazing,life changing 
things? I realize the whole professional sports thing is quite out of 
control $ wise, but look at how much money promoters are making off a party! 

I think football fans/freaks/whatever you like..would probably be on the 
exact other side saying,"are these 25$ parties really neccesary? Do they 
need them to survive?" 

There are always two sides to ever issue..it's your opinion, but I thinks 
you need to think about what your saying, and realize we all see things 
through different eyes...hopefully, wide open ones=)

-----Kyle 

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alroy sed:
=================================================================
>Ok when i go there, i'm not sure who was on, but he was tearing the shit up.
>That was around 11pm.  If someone could answer this it would be greatly
>appreciated.  I couldn't be that someone this good was on this early.

last night i heard that ben/atman/mighty from the 614 was supposed to
spinning there.  maybe this was him?  he would have been a short,
happy-looking, boogieing white kid with short (buzzed still i think) black
hair and probably big black sideburns.  anyone know?
==================================================================

i wuzn't there, but ben did call my girl christa & sed he would be
spinning there & kinda early, so it could very well have been mr.
goldberger. we were actually considering making the trek to detroit
just to see ben spin, but alas we caught that dreaded 'cabin fever' 
again ;)

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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com, ne-raves@world.std.com
Subject: [sleepyc@en.com: {pb-cle} RESPOND TO THE BOGUS, ONE SIDED 20/20 RAVE SEGMENT!!!!]
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    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: sleepyc@en.com (Stephen Cinch)
    To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com
    Subject: {pb-cle} RESPOND TO THE BOGUS, ONE SIDED 20/20 RAVE SEGMENT!!!!
    Date: Mon, 27 Jan

    
    This is just a reminder to log on to NBC.COM and  drop a paragraph or two
    about how one sided the 20/20 segment on "raves" was!! All they talked
    about was DRUGS. Not even one positive thing was said!! They even went as
    far to say that no matter what you (parents) have to do, even chaining your
    kid in his/her room don't let them attend these awful RAVES!!!
            They made us ALL sound like a bunch of drugged out 12 yr old zombies.
    The party there cameras infiltrated was a party that I was spinning at in
    New York called Perpetual Vibe. 20/20 basically got the party shut down,
    and made the cops think we were all drug addicts. They turned the whole
    situation around to make it look like it was a hugh manditory drug abuse
    maraithon.Even a little humorus prank became a big thing. After the show
    was stoped, the party go moved to a local club, outside there was a small
    sign. A couple of stupid kids changed the lettering to read: exstacy and
    angel dust . This was just a joke, but to 20/20 this was an official sign
    that was advertising what could be bought and abused inside!!  I was there,
    sure some kids were a little rocked, but not all 3000 people!! The show was
    actually a really tame one!
            So please take the time to go to "abc.com" on your browser and let
    Barbra, and Hugh know that there is a lot more to us and our sceen than
    drugs.
    Maby they can do a follow up and show that we care about our sceen, our
    music, and our way of life!
    peace & respects,
    Stephen "Sleepy C" Cinch
    
    
    
    

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> U2 gone techno?  What is the world coming to?

Where have you been>?  Did you ever hear zooropa or achtung baby or any
non-album related stuff after those two albums?  I like U2, for their
Joshua Tree, rock sorta stuff....but they've been moving toward this for a
long time.  They did an entire tour based on the concept of pop culture as
a receptacle for technology....

Although it's generally not the type of electronic music I would like to
call my favorite stuff, it is undoubtedly of the genre.

Kinda ironic considering their bouts with the group Negativland, a
generally praised/accepted sound collage group... :)

*Megan* 

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Meet you at the smart bar @ 2:00 with everyone else.  I'll be wearing
baggy clothes!  Just kidding, i'll get back to you before this weekend. 
Thank you very much ahead of time.

								Darrin M.

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Yes, Koog.  Our personal trip to Hell and back that fated weekend in
January (when we should have been looking for Mexican's at Shane's house)
was put on by the same people.  But at least this time there was *only*
harrassment by security guards...no helicoptors or anything.  ;)

>Was this Home97 thing put on by the same company as Moonflower?  I'm confused.
>
>--------------- Text of forwarded message --------------
>One word for y'all:  Moonflower.
>Live and learn.  'nuff said.
>But anyways...
>
>========================================================================

Always,
Erinaceous
( No Blueberries for Sal ! )

ay evol . . . live mi
;-}

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Feeling a little bored this evening, so for your enjoyment, here's a 
quick transcript of that 20/20 segment. Pardon the typos. 
--Blake


		20/20 -- January 24 1997
		"Stop the Raves"

Hugh Downs: It's Friday night, and we have to ask an important
question -- do you know where your teenagers are? This could be the
night your child ventures into a secretive and even potentially
dangerous world: the world of the rave. Teenagers across the country
know what that word means, and tonight 20/20 goes undercover to give
parents the inside story.

Barbara Walters: Well until now few adults have seen what goes on at a
rave and the reasons will become apparant. Behind closed doors there
are no rules and no curfew. But there is the opportunity for serious
trouble. Lynn Sherr's report is a warning for parents, and for
teenagers who've been there.

Raver: You walk in there, and your whole body's just beating. It's
such a good feeling.

Raver: It's really like going into another world.  It's a trip. It's
fun.

Raver: It's something to do. To go out and have fun. Dance.

Lynn Sherr: They call it a rave, and its the latest kid craze.
Millions of youngsters, as young as age 10, go off to secret locations
to party and dance through the night. That's all night long, often
till 8 or 9 in the morning.

Raver: It's just a bunch of people getting together and having a good
time.

LS: It sounds innocent, but beneath the laser lights and loud music,
America's youth are rebelling in a new and dangerous way.

Raver: Its like anarchy for like a night.

LS: And chaos fuelled by blatent, brazen drug-taking. Raves are
happening in cities and small towns. In farm fields and abandoned
warehouses. Afterhours bars or clubs. Anywhere that's far from adult
supervision. The result is sometimes outrageous and risky
behavior. Like this firewalk outside a rave in Texas. By their own
report, the teenagers were tripping on LSD at the time. John, age 23,
organizes raves for a living.

John: To me it's a dance party, and that's what I tell kids.

LS: You may not have heard the word rave, but young people find out
about them through a network of secret passwords. There are even rave
sites on the Internet. One of the reasons kids like to keep them
underground and away from the prying eyes of parents and police is the
widespread drug use. Raves have become a haven for drug-taking with a
dance beat.

Informant: You cannot go to a rave without finding drugs...

LS: This young man should know. Now a confidential police informant,
he used to earn a living dealing drugs. And for him there was no
better place than a rave. His profit? Almost $4000 a night.

Informant: Raves for me as far as selling drugs were like holidays.

LS: Often he would sell out long before the rave was over, the demand
for drugs exceeding his supply. He says most kids were buying.

Informant: If you go to a rave and you are not on ecstasy or some
other kind of drug, then you kind of stick out like a sore
thumb. You're an endangered species.

LS: To see this world for ourselves 20/20 attended some raves with a
hidden camera. At an event in Newburg NY, kids arrived in cars with
license plates from 8 different states, some as far away as Vermont
and Virginia. We didn't even get near the door before we were
approached to buy drugs.

Reporter: What do you got?

Dealer: Want some X? Acid? Special K? You know I got that too...

Reporter: You do?!

Dealer: Yeah, talk to me.

LS: Translation -- X or E is for ecstasy, an amphetamine-like drug to
stay up all night and dance. Acid is LSD, to hallucinate. And Special
K is ketamine, snorted by humans but used by vets to anesthetize
animals.

David McDowell: It's very hard go to a rave and not use drugs. The
peer pressure to take these drugs in this environment is just
profoundly strong.

LS: Dr. David McDowell is a psychiatrist who has studied ravers' drug
use at the scene. His results are startling.

LS: What was it that shocked you most when you first went to a rave?

DM: Over 70% of the kids said they were on drugs at the time.

LS: Does the youngster going to a rave take one drug, several drugs?

DM: Several. Many of these drugs are addicting, and many of them have
terrible side effects and can lead to tremendous devastation both
personally and biologically, down the road.

LS: What's the difference between getting drugs on a streetcorner and
at a rave?

DM: When we asked kids where you had your first drug experience, they
uniformly said at raves. When we asked if they were more likely to use
drugs at raves than outside of raves they said yes. I think that this
is -- and this is one of the dangers of it -- is it's a place of
initiation.

Raver: Everybody's just there, and they just accept each other...

LS: We gathered a group of young people together to talk to us about
the rave phenomenon. While some say they don't use drugs, this group
of suburban kids gave us a pretty good idea of what's going on at the
all-night dance marathons.

LS: How common are drugs, Doug, at the raves?

Doug: Pretty common.

LS: Can you get anything you want?

Doug: Ecstasy, acid, K.

LS: Tell me about the feeling of ecstasy. Is it a high? Is it a buzz?

Raver: It's just like a tingle through your whole body. You might feel
like there's a fuzz across the whole outside of your body. Like
styrofoam almost.

LS: Is that a feeling you want to have?

Doug: If we gave you E right now, you'd want another one. I guarantee
it, if like anyone who's anyone that I know that does E or has ever
done it likes it. You could spike your principal's drink at school
with it, and they'd like it.

LS: What do you feel like the next day?

Joe: Well, it depends on the E.

LS: Ok.

Joe: Some of it makes you feel like real strung out the next day...

Raver: It's not like real E, so that you feel like [bleep].

LS: In other words, sometimes the ecstasy is not pure?

Ravers: No.

LS: What's mixed in with it?

Ravers: Heroin.

LS: Heroin can be mixed in with it? Without your knowing?

Raver: Anything...

LS: Who wants to tell me what K is like? Joe?

Joe: I guess it's like a odd form of being drunk.

Raver: If you've done too much you can't dance, you're just gonna sit
there and bug out.

Raver: I have a friend that holes it all the time. And...

LS: Holes it all the time. He goes into a K hole? Which means he's
totally out of it?

Raver: Totally out of it to the point that we go, we rub ice cubes,
you could melt an ice cube on his neck and he'd still just sit there
with his head down on his arms.

LS: All right. Any of you ever go to raves on a school night while
you're at school? How in the world did you get to class the next day?

Raver: I didn't.

LS: What did you do?

Raver: I stayed there.

LS: Stayed at the party?

Raver: Yeah. It went on till like 9 in the morning.

LS: Do your parents know you go to raves?

Raver: Yeah, my mom knows that I go.

LS: How does she feel about it?

Raver: She doesn't like it but I don't really give her a choice, I
kinda just go anyway.

LS: How about your parents?

Raver: They don't like it, but they really can't say anything cause
they've never been to one to know about it.

LS: Most cops don't know about raves either, so they don't know what
to do about them. Remember the guy who offered to sell us drugs at the
rave in Newburg NY? Not only were police unaware of his activites,
they only showed up because a neighbor complained about the noise.

LS: Chief of police William Bloom. Were you aware, when you got this
noise complaint, were your officers aware that there might be drug
activity going on there?

William Bloom: No.

LS: But without trying too hard, we found drug paraphenalia littering
the dance floor. The police cited that in their report, but did
nothing about it. We collected samples and sent them to a lab. All
tested positive for drugs. And when police closed down the first rave,
some kids simply drove half a mile down the road to a different
building. There was even a sign there advertising angel dust and
ecstasy.

LS: Were your officers aware that night that if one place closes down,
the kids would tend to go somewhere else?

WB: No, I'm not sure that they were. I don't think so.

LS: We just heard about it in the parking lot. It wasn't a secret, in
other words. it's not like you had to have your computer and log onto
the Internet at that moment.

WB: Right. There were a lot things that we could've did
differently. And we should have.

LS: What should have been done in another rave case is not much
comfort to Marsha Montessy.

MM: I had no idea what a rave was.

LS: Her daughter Sandy was a healty college student, working hard at
two jobs. On the night of July 3 1992, Sandy attended a rave in
Orlando, Florida. The next morning, the family was summoned to the
hospital.

MM: She was hooked up to all kinds of machines and we knew then that
it was over. They tried to do open heart massages, but they couldn't
save her.

LS: According to the coroner's report, Sandy's temperature soared to
107 degrees before she died.

MM: They said that she had went into massive heart failure from a high
temperature which was brought on by a drug called ecstasy.

MM: She could make you laugh no matter what...

LS: Montessy learned even more disturbing facts about the
establishment that held the rave the night her daughter died. In the
two previous years, the club had been visited by police 500 times,
often to deal with drug activity. Through her grief, Montessy helped
enact a local ordinance to close such places down. And she had the
dealer who supplied the ecstasy that killed her daughter put in prison
for manslaughter.

MM: I'd have locked her in her room if I'd had to. Anything. There's
nothing I can do for my daughter. I can't bring her back, but I want
to keep somebody else's parents from having to go through this. You
have no idea what kind of destruction it does to a family. And I think
the hardest part is, like they say, is never being able to say
goodbye. And not understanding why.

LS: Sandy Montessy's death is not the only fatality associated with
Florida raves. Two others died during the same year, forcing state
investigators and police to focus on the rave world and examine its
connection with drugs.

Bruce Ashley: We were shocked by the flagrancy, we were shocked at the
openness. I don't think we had never run across so many young people
so openly ingesting drugs...

LS: Captain Bruce Ashley is with the Florida division of the
department of alcoholic beverages and tobacco. Raves here are so
popular they've moved into mainstream bars and dance clubs.

BA: The promoters are kids, and they're renting halls, and they're
renting clubs.

LS: Ashley and the police started infiltrating the rave world and
making arrests. Now Florida's ravers are on the run. He helped put
this place out of business.

BA: This establishment, we had documented that a 10-year-old had been
in attendance at raves at this location, but we found that young
people from the age of 13 to 18, some of which would be passed out on
chairs or sofas in this establishment. Security personnel, promoters,
DJs would just walk by them and ignore them.

LS: At another Florida rave, under police surveillance, a young man
had overdosed in the parking lot and seemed lifeless. Luckily Florida
narcotics cops spotted him and without blowing their cover called for
an ambulance. The young man, who other ravers said had mixed heroin
with another drug, was saved. Sandy Montessy wasn't that
fortunate. Her mother has advice for parents of other young people.

MM: We need to stop the raves. It's not a dance. It's not a safe place
for your kids. Do anything. If your child insists, go with them, and
then you'll find out your child doesn't want you there. Because they
know what is really going on.

HD: It sure is a problem, Lynn. But what is the difference between
these raves and the old disco scene? They had drugs there too.

LS: Indeed they did and that's the perfect question. What the experts
tell us is the difference is in these drugs, which are really out of
control. These are the so-called designer drugs. They're being made,
put together in someone's basement, and heaven knows what is in
them. So that's the real problem.

HD: How widespread spread is this rave business?

LS: Well it's all over the world. I must tell you -- I was just in
South Africa and people there were complaining about it. The only good
news for us is we didn't start this one. It came from England, where
there have been more than a dozen, about 15 deaths. So, we didn't
start it, but we're in the midst of it right now.

HD: Thank you, Lynn.


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This is for that Amy chick from Detroit. All I can say is that Paul Johnson,
the one that you're slacking off in your review of home 97, WAS the guy in
the wheelchair!  Not Spencer Kinsey the one that made you go, "Aw yeah."

No wonder you think Ritchie Hawtin sucks.

Martin bEAN

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At 12:28 AM 1/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes, Koog.  Our personal trip to Hell and back that fated weekend in
>January (when we should have been looking for Mexican's at Shane's house)
>was put on by the same people.  But at least this time there was *only*
>harrassment by security guards...no helicoptors or anything.  ;)
>
>>Was this Home97 thing put on by the same company as Moonflower?  I'm
confused.

No confusion here... information validated:

http://www.psych.nwu.edu/psych/people/grad/shum/pics/events.html

m


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All in good fun...

At 12:31 AM 1/28/97 -0500, Kyle Kentala wrote:
>Alright, I gthink this post on the football packers thing was just 
>completely off and unneccesary for this list.

way.

>It really bothers me that you could put down something that many people 
>feel is part of their culture, and that they belong in it.

yeah, raves suck.

>Do you think everyone that enjoys football thinks parties are completely 
>neccesary? And how many partiers are *reallY* doing amazing,life changing 
>things? I realize the whole professional sports thing is quite out of 
>control $ wise, but look at how much money promoters are making off a party! 

Life changing things? I dunno, I think the best parties are the small
ones... You are reading a post from someone who has almost lost faith in
"the scene".

>I think football fans/freaks/whatever you like..would probably be on the 
>exact other side saying,"are these 25$ parties really neccesary? Do they 
>need them to survive?" 

No, but football is an integral part of my life...

>There are always two sides to ever issue..it's your opinion, but I thinks 
>you need to think about what your saying, and realize we all see things 
>through different eyes...hopefully, wide open ones=)

It's always an individual's opinion and IMO, yours is always welcome here.
I don't think too much though, it's bad for the soul... ;)

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the black cat wrote:
> 
> >Return-Path: <r-creekmore@uchicago.edu>
> >From: "Robert Creekmore" <r-creekmore@UCHICAGO.Edu>
> >To: "Stephen Waggoner" <snwaggoner@osprey.smcm.edu>,
> >        "Charles Belle" <cebelle@midway.uchicago.edu>,
> >        "Joseph Edward Ridge" <nerdboy@wam.umd.edu>,
> >        "Judy Wu" <jywu@midway.uchicago.edu>,
> >        "Kenneth Grand Moff Boda" <kaboda@wam.umd.edu>,
> >        "Mike Rieger" <mrieger@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>,
> >        "robert haskins" <rjh205@Psu.Edu>,
> >        "Scott Patrick Sanner" <Sanner+@andrew.cmu.edu>,
> >        "Matthew T. Mills" <mmills@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> >Subject: This one's a riot.
> >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:53:03 -0600
> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> >
> >
> >      The Top 14 Threats Used in Dysfunctional Families
> >
> >
> >14> "Finish your lima beans or you're not getting any heroin for
> >     dessert!"
> >
> >13> "If you don't stop that this instant, I'll have Grandma
> >     perform another striptease for you."
> >
> >12> "If this plexiglass wasn't between us, I'd wash your mouth out
> >     with soap, young man."
> >
> >11> "Do you want me to put a tofu burrito in your pants?  Well?
> >     Do You?!"
> >
> >10> "Billy Bob, you finish them chores or Sis ain't goin' to the
> >     prom with ya!"
> >
> > 9> "Eat your brussel sprouts, or Mommy won't love you anymore."
> >
> > 8> "Lyle, Erik -- either behave, or go to your suites!"
> >
> > 7> "If you don't eat your peas, Chelsea, I'll make you stay at
> >     the Gingrich's house!"
> >
> > 6> "Don't make me put you back in the womb!"
> >
> > 5> "As long as you live under this roof, you're *going* to wear
> >     that dress, young man!"
> >
> > 4> "You just wait til your father gets paroled!"
> >
> > 3> "Stop crying, Lourdes, or Uncle Dennis will kick you in the
> >     groin."
> >
> > 2> "Young lady, don't make me send you to the Citadel!"
> >
> >
> >    and the Number 1 Threat Used in Dysfunctional Families...
> >
> >
> > 1> "All right, Little Mister, no more time in the sheep pen
> >     for you!"
> >
> >

:) 
mike

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on saturday, march 1, 1997 in madison, WI... prepare to melt all the snow and
bad vibes!!!  with djs...

HUGGIE:  Los Angeles, Caffeine Records          3D:  Chicago, Stepwise

  the trance master is coming many                this junglist will show
  miles to show madison what it's                 you the meaning of the
  all about!                                      word "hard"!  step to
                                                  me, 3D!!!

                DAN EFEX:  Chicago, Time Unlimited Records

              with a brand new record out on time unlimited,
           here comes the white trash sissy boy from chi-town!

NICK NICE:  Madison/Paris, Nice Musique       ACIDCRAFT:  live pa, Madison

  an integral part of madison's scene,       nick kick, justin, q, and a lot
  nick has spun all over the world and       of equipment!   this insane live
  is a sight to behold!  also owner of       pa of acid trance will leave you
  madison's phattest record shop!            in awe!

locals:

NICK KICK:  Madison/Order Of The Trance
DJ COOK:    Madison/Cottonmouth
NATO:       Madison/junglist
JAMES CLAR: Watertown/housemaster

smart drinks by cottonmouth, mixtapes and clothes also being sold!  12,000
square foot virgin venue about 15 mins. outside of madison!  this is a drug and
alcohol free event, also no markers or glass bottles or other bad stuff!

main info:  the rave crisis center - (608) 550-0400

peace love unity respect.

jon/dica

np:  mark dienger - heads or tails


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>FREE PARTY IN THE BARN

one of my top 5 parties ever.  yes i went WOOOO! :)  this party was off the
hook.  i couldn't believe what was happening while i was there.  i still
can't believe someone didn't like his set at jak-olantern!!  i just keeping
thinking about when he played "da funk" and everyone lost their shit and my
favorite point of the nite, when he was playing some dark dark tekno trak,
and slammed over to the BIG BASS HIT part of the "oye como va" remix and
all the lights went out.  it was PITCH BLACK with just this "BOOM-BA-BOOM,
BOOM BO BOOM BOOM, BO BOOM BOOM" shaking my insides when i could not see my
hand in front of my face...dammmmmn.  that was *dope*.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
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>Paul Johnson:  Never heard the guy before, only the hype about him.  His
>set left me wondering what all the hype was about.
>
>Spencer Kinsey:  AW YEAH!! Although he played a lot of shit I can hear on
>the radio after midnight on Saturday in Detroit, he played all the ones I
>like to hear on the radio after midinght  on Staurday in Detroit.  The
>biggest surprise was when I looked over to see him in a wheel chair!!!
>Oh yeah, some guy told me--you go girl-- while I was dancing to this
>set--guess I got down.

paul johnson is the one in the wheelchair.  i think you might have him and
spencer kincey confused.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
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On 1/27/97, blarfunkular (matter) amazingly wrote the following tezzagipshunt:


>I told them that WE want to know who this security company was so that WE
>can set this straight. I also told them that the security company did all
>of us wrong and it's no way to treat FAMILY. Hopefully, they will do the
>right thing and call me back. This cannot go without being made public.



        This reminds me of a party that went down south of St. Paul a while
back.  I don't remember the name or anything, but the thing that sticks out
is that when they brought the nitrous tank in, people were having fun for a
while.  Then I noticed that the crazy harley riding biker types ( no
offence to cool harley types) that were hired as security were taking
peoples balloons away from them.  They then tried shutting down the tank,
which didn't work.   Things were  calm for a while, then I noticed the
'security' people running up to groups of ravers and snatching their
balloons again.  The balloon thieves/security people would then take their
purloined balloons to a dark corner and do them themselves...





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.>
                                               <randomly stimulating>



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just a little info, now I like mystic bill and all, but he IS Vibbe Alive
and he DID put on (try) Monnflower this summer, so......he may be a decent
guy, but he has  seriously bad judgement when it comes to security and
location.<----HION


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On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Joseph C. Alfe wrote:

> just a little info, now I like mystic bill and all, but he IS Vibbe Alive
> and he DID put on (try) Monnflower this summer, so......he may be a decent
> guy, but he has  seriously bad judgement when it comes to security and
> location.<----HION
> 
there is alot more to vibe alive than just billy. i doubt he even had
anything to do with the security. 

--
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                                          http://rhf.bradley.edu/~maxter/
 
    


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Hey All,
  Still no luck getting any answers... I have two friends trying to get the
vibe alive krew in touch with me to clarify alla this mess. I left my
second message on their voice mail, which is prolly infrequently checked. I
have to give them some more time, before I lose my mind on their shit. I
think a week would be fair.  I am hoping (as I'm sure many of you are) that
vibe alive is uninvolved and willing to cooperative with me.
  I am going to be designing an affirmative action flyer for suggesting
that ravers get more involved with their local scenes and giving some ideas
of what they can do to make a positive difference... I will be posting it
up to the list for all of your comments, which I value deeply... Keep your
eyes peeled...

*hugs*

m


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Hey Everybody!
  Is anyone interested in going with me to the Hawtin party in Detroit? I
may be going with another friend, but if I can get a carload or a handfull
of people, we'll take two cars. Even if you aren't in Chicago and can get
here by 2:00p or so, that would be kewlsie. :)

  Anyone into it?

your friend,
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3 quick things...

1- Is there a foolproof way to flatten out a warped record?  I heard
   technique that said to play the record in a towel, and iron that.
   Another way was to put it between 2 sheets of glass, and stick it
   in the oven.  Anyone ever tried either of these?

2- Maybe it's this shitty winter weather, but during a party last
   friday, I was rushing to pull records out of my bag, and my hands
   were bleeding from paper cuts by the cardboard, inner sleeves, and
   sharp plastic edges from new records.  It was kinda cool mixing with
   bloody hands (I'm sick like that), but it's not really something I
   want to do in the future.  Has this ever happened to anyone else?

3- No reviews for Release?!?!  I know that more than a few mw-ravers
   were at that party!  Come on  =)  constructive criticism is always
   a good thing.

...lurking...

---Cylert

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aaaaiiiiigh!!!! you don't understand how badly i want to go to this 
party!! kimball collins!! he was at the first party i ever went to!!! :( 
:(  anyone from ohio or indiana or down south going??? extra room in the 
car? 




milkshake




On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, chrisE! wrote:

> 
> okay, this is just me again checking up on who's gonna be at porcupine
> rocketship...  if you're gonna be there, lemme know so we can meet up or
> something! :)
> 
> i still say net-meet at the drinky place at 2am...
> 
> here's my crew as it currently stands:
> me, john/dove, jon/dica, ann marie, derek o'brien, and probably marc
> egley.
> 
> (which makes it an all netraver posse. watch out! :P )
> 
> chrisE!
> 
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> 

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Martin bEAN wrote...
> This is for that Amy chick from Detroit. All I can say is that Paul Johnson,
> the one that you're slacking off in your review of home 97, WAS the guy in
> the wheelchair!  Not Spencer Kinsey the one that made you go, "Aw yeah."
> 
> No wonder you think Ritchie Hawtin sucks.
> 
> Martin bEAN

Give her a break buddy.  Did you already forget about all of the
mistakes your mag has written.  i.e. claiming that your own Chicago DJ
Justin Long was from New York!  Letters like this aren't gonna win you
new readers by rather shy them away.  Maybe you should look into a
public relations class for your business ethics.

								Just trying to keep it friendly,
								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

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>2- Maybe it's this shitty winter weather, but during a party last
>   friday, I was rushing to pull records out of my bag, and my hands
>   were bleeding from paper cuts by the cardboard, inner sleeves, and
>   sharp plastic edges from new records.  It was kinda cool mixing with
>   bloody hands (I'm sick like that), but it's not really something I
>   want to do in the future.  Has this ever happened to anyone else?

last year i was flyering for snow*fall in line at home 96, and my hands
started to bleed due to the cold and dry, combined with the cardstock
edges.  put some hand lotion in your record bag, that should do the trick.
:)

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan 28 13:26:58 1997
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I haven't seen it yet but I'm borrowing it this weekend from a fellow
vraver.  I wish soccer was that big over here, you can get Guiness at
those games for like a quarter.

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

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>There's nothing legal about any security or law enforcement agent directly
>accepting money from you in lieu of ticket or prosecution.  Nothing.
>
>Use your head, people.  That's extortion.  That's blackmail.
>

Which is still better if u DO have something on u......as opposed to being
hauled off to jail......

peace,
adam

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You would be able to prevent both problems by taking better care of your
vinyl.  Don't leave it outside in poor weather conditions then take them
into the opposite climate.  This is one major cause of "warpage".  It
was freakin' cold that night in Champ/Urb. and inside of that house was
a sauna.  Plus if the cuts were from cold vinyl, that would be another
good reason to keep 'em in a consistent temperature.  The party was
another phat central Illinois throw down.  Keep your eyes out in the
future (i.e. 2/8,2/15,2/22) for more bad ass stuff in the area.

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

p.s. what were you wearing?

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Yes Mystic Bill is the founder of Vibe Alive, and yes there are others
involved.  Yes, they threw Home 97 (wasn't therre another promoter on
the flier?) as well as Home and Home 96 (which were both phat).  Yes a
lot of unnecessary shit went down at 97.  Yes Moonflower got busted out
the ass.  Lets just say that those are the only parties THEY (not he)
ever threw, 50/50 right.  Well 97 didn't get busted so we'll say 65/35. 
But we know that they've thrown some other phat to fine parties in the
past.  So that puts it to about 85/15 at worst.  And they've made up for
problems in the past that they had no control over due to risks you take
by attempting such events.  So I'd say that Vibe Alive still has my
vote, UNLESS, someone can show me that THEY intentionally caused this
shit to go down, and when I say shit, I mean the attacks on the
innocent.  Yeah I've had shit on me before, but thats a risk I took. 
It's your own damn fault if you got busted.  Even if you hadn't even
taken your goods out of your asshole since you walked in the door, you
still could have done something stupid to let it be known.  Before you
attack Billy, or even VA as a group give them a chance to explain before
you burn 'em at the stake.  They could have had no control over the
matter once they found out.  Follow Matter's idea and wait for a
response if not a make up attempt.  Thank you for understanding.  And
kc,  e-mail me privately so I can get your address.

								Darrin M.
								C.I.A.

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Hey Peeps,
  I just got offa the phone with Mystic Bill of Vibe Alive. He received
several phone calls from other people who were harrassed at Home97 and
clearly remembers stepping into the room with kc and stating that the
violence wasn't necessary. He seems like an extremely good guy and is
genuinely concerned about what went down. He had a few personal friends who
were also harrassed by the security idiots. It turns out that the security
people scamming and extorting everyone were provided by the building owner
and the security that was roughing up kc seems to have been hired by vibe
alive. Not their fault however, it was reffered to them as being a good
security outfit and we seem to have discovered that not to be the case. I
don't think that Bill clearly understands the limitations of security and
the actions they can take which are legal. I am forwarding him the e-mail
from MikeyD (on security) via fax tonight. Bill has said he will be
researching to find the names of the companies and is more than willing to
work with us on this. After he has a clearer understanding of what security
can legally do, I think he will be even more into taking action. At the
bare minimum, we will know who these people were and we will have learned
much about how to handle these kinds of situations... Props to Bill and
Vibe Alive for doing the right thing! :)

your friend,
 m


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At 01:02 PM 1/28/97 -0600, page@simon.wustl.edu wrote:
>3- No reviews for Release?!?!  I know that more than a few mw-ravers
>   were at that party!  Come on  =)  constructive criticism is always
>   a good thing.

Cylert, we already posted our revus, remember? j/k I would love to see some
feedback from others too... !

m


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I figgurd we could all use a little laugh. ;)

>>OAKLAND (AP) - Saying it will improve the education of children who have
>>grown up immersed in computer lingo, the school board in San Jose, Calif.,
>>has officially designated computer English, or "Geekonics," as a second
>>language.
>>
>>    The historic vote on Geekonics -- a combination of the word "geek" and
>>the word "phonics" -- came just weeks after the Oakland school board
>>recognized black English, or Ebonics, as a distinct language.
>>
>>   "This entirely reconfigures our parameters," Milton "Floppy" Macintosh,
>> chairman of Geekonics Unlimited, said after the school board became the
>>first in the nation to recognize Geekonics.
>>
>>   "No longer are we preformatted for failure," Macintosh said during a
>>celebration that saw many Geekonics backers come dangerously close to
>>smiling.  "Today, we are rebooting, implementing a program to process the
>>data we need to interface with all units of humanity."
>>
>>    Controversial and widely misunderstood, the Geekonics movement was
>>spawned in California's Silicon Valley, where many children have grown up
>>in households headed by computer technicians, programmers, engineers, and
>>scientists who have lost the ability to speak plain English and have
>>inadvertently passed on their high-tech vernacular to their children.
>>
>>HELPING THE TRANSITION
>>    While schools will not teach the language, increased teacher awareness
>>of Geekonics, proponents say, will help children make the transition to
>>standard English.  Those students, in turn, could possibly help their
>>parents learn to speak in a manner that would lead listeners to believe
>>they have actual blood coursing through their veins.
>>
>>   "Bit by bit, byte by byte, with the proper system development, with
>>nonpreemptive multitasking, I see no reason we can't download the data we
>>need to modulate our oral output," Macintosh said.
>>
>>    The designation of Ebonics and Geekonics as languages reflects a
>>growing awareness of our nation's lingual diversity, experts say.
>>
>>   Other groups pushing for their own languages and/or vernaculars to be
>>declared official viewed the Geekonics vote as a step in the right
>>direction.
>>
>>   "This is just, like, OK, you know, the most totally kewl thing, like,
>>ever," said Jennifer Heather Notat-Albright, chairwoman of the Committee
>>for the Advancement of Valleyonics, headquarted in Southern California.  "I
>>mean, like, you know?" she added.
>>
>>THEY'RE HAPPY IN DIXIE
>>   "Yeee-hah," said Buford "Kudzu" Davis, president of the Dixionics
>>Coalition.  "Y'all gotta know I'm as happy as a tick on a sleeping
>>bloodhound about this."
>>
>>    Spokesmen for several sub-chapters of Dixionics -- including Alabonics,
>>Tennesonics and Louisionics -- also said they approved of the decision.
>>
>>   Bill Flack, public information officer for the Blue Ribbon Task Force on
>>Bureaucratonics said that organization would not comment on the San Jose
>>vote until it convened a summit meeting, studied the impact, assessed the
>>feasibility, finalized a report and drafted a comprehensive action plan,
>>which, once it clears the appropriate subcommittees and is voted on, will
>>be made public to those who submit the proper information-request forms.
>>
>>    Proponents of Ebonics heartily endorsed the designation of Geekonics as
>>an official language.
>>
>>   "I ain't got no problem wif it," said Earl E. Byrd, president of the
>>Ebonics Institute.  "You ever try talkin' wif wunna dem computer dudes?
>>Don't matter if it be a white computer dude or a black computer dude; it's
>>like you be talkin' to a robot -- RAM, DOS, undelete, MegaHertZ.  Ain't
>>nobodi unnerstands.  But dey keeps a talkin' anyway. 'Sup wif dat?"
>>
>>    Those involved in the lingual-diversity movement believe that only by
>>enacting many different English languages, in addition to all the foreign
>>ones practiced here, can we all end up happily speaking the same boring
>>one, becoming a nation that is both unified in its diversity, and
>>diversified in its unity.
>>
>>Others say that makes no sense at all.  In any language.


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I got involved in this whole "scene" -I hate that word- for one reason:
there is no place I'd rather be than on a dance floor.   I came to realize
that house music especially, but also many other forms of music that one
ofter hears at parties is excellent dance music.  i was sick of going to
crappy clubs in my relatively small college town, and wanted to find a
place where I could dance all night long.

When I said I may have to find something new, this is what I meant
(somehow I knew I wasn't being explicit enough, and someone would accuse
me of jumping on the raver bandwagon.  So to clarify:)  It has been my
experience over the last year that parties are progressively getting
WORSE.  I started partying regularly in the summer of 1995, which
according to my friends is about 6-12 months after 'raving' hit its peak
in Detroit (at least in this decade).  From what I've seen, I think they
are right.  At every party there are more dorks who are there for the
drugs or because it's the new cool thing to do, the music is less
impressive, and overall, I just am losing interest.  Its really too bad.
If I could just find some good partyies to go to, I'd do this my whole
life.  but I'm not going to waste my time and money on events that suck,
again and again.  Eventually I'll have to find a new place or 'scene' to
dance all night long....

Any clearer?

--Amy


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thank you for helping me stand behind Billy (no sick jokes here) until
he had a chance to speak for the situation. props to you and VA.

Darrin M.
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I guess I'm just there to dance and Richie Hawtin does NOT make me dance
these days.

--Amy


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adam typed....
> >party because Bad Boy Bill played it in a hot mix.     
> 
> My freind Gin just came back from a vacation in DC where he was a headliner
> at a party.....he took a pic......hilarious.......and screamed at him:
> "B96! Chicago Represent!"  
> 
> he said his reaction wasn't a freindly one....

I saw a flyer last year which he was a main DJ out in NY,NY.  Sounds
like a nice guy.  I must admit he has some dope tracks, did Gin say if
he could spin live, or does he need a four track?

Darrin M.
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>         Actually I heard their song on the radio a few times and must say
> that it is NOT techno. The fact that the media like to lable anysong that
> has a electronic equipment used in the making as techno is starting to bore
> me. The U2 song is really pop/rock and nothing more.
 
yes this is true but

> It sounds nothing like
> Chemical Brothers, even though the papers like to categorize it as the same
> thing. ..

the chemical brothers have the same pop/rock sound. all of this rock-
music-which-happens-to-use-a-synthesizer-among-its-electric-guitars
masquerading as techno/trip-hop/whatever is really starting to piss me
off because it's NOT any of those things (of course) + it's just the 
same old thing, there's hardly anything innovative about it. and it 
sounds so annoying anyway. 
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>
   ok, i havent been home to see the flyer but i think we need to seperate
'plastikman' from richie hawtin.if im not mistaken 'plastikman' is like a alter
ego for rich either in performance and/or producing. i know we all mean rich,
but plastikman is a differant side to his music, from what i understand.
    i think that there is going to a be small bonus to this party, esp. if you
are a plastik produkts member-i saw the new card today, just beautiful,classic
plus8 work. ANYWAY. its a small venue, so dont be thinkin this is going to be a
huge place.please remeber its 18 yrs and + too. its going to have a more closed
setting, wich from my experience
artists do much better in. id have to say my favorite set of rich's was at
minimal in toronto ( i think its just because he laid down tour de france-one
of my faves.)...thought that was a huge event,i dont think ive ever heard lay
down such a varity with so much energy.

    i wouldnt come to this party if you are into big events, rather come if you
are into the music and small setting classic well done events.these guys
(plus8) pull through every time with grace and it shows by the amount of stress
on their face at the parties how much effort they put into it. and let us not
forget the other great artist on the bill, dj hell.

see yas there.
DIana


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On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 MEGAbEAN1@aol.com wrote:

> This is for that Amy chick from Detroit. All I can say is that Paul Johnson,
> the one that you're slacking off in your review of home 97, WAS the guy in
> the wheelchair!  Not Spencer Kinsey the one that made you go, "Aw yeah."
> 
> No wonder you think Ritchie Hawtin sucks.
> 
> Martin bEAN
> 
Hello from "That Amy chic".
Are you having a bad day or something?  Do you know what PLUR means?
I did not join this group to be insulted.  I made a simple mistake,
because I thought the schedule of dj's was correct.  Paul Johnson spun
during the time allotted for Spencer Kinsey.  I've never seen Paul Johnson
before, so how would I know that the guy is in a wheelchair?  Someone else
corrected my mistake, but they were at least polite about it.  HOW DARE
YOU say ANYTHING condescending to ME.  You have never met me, talked to
me, or even laid eyes on me.  I wrote that review in a very humorous
voice, I can't believe you would respond in such a hateful one.

Are you always this pleasant?  Why don't you take a nap, you sound like
you need one as bad as the kindergarteners I taught all day.

(What I really want to say is FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE, but I'm too sweet and
mature to do so.)

PLUR:)
--That Amy Chic from Detroit

Geesh



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Adam,
	is Gin an Asian kid that hangs with the Belmont rats from Chi-town.  If
so he knows a few same acquaintances.

Darrin M.
C.I.A.

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Maybe I just went into the dark and scary dance room at the wrong times.
I never heard any of that stuff.  My boyfriend and I always argue about
that night, too.  He thinks it was the bomb.

I think I juts value different things in music than a lot of ppl on this
list.  I just like to dance, and I know what makes me dance.  Lately RH
does not do so...

--Amy


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there's a group of kids i always see at parties, they say i look like 
richie.  despite the fact that they know my name, they've started calling 
me 'richie'......so i go to parties and someone will yell, "hey! richie! 
how's it goin!"......maybe i should go to detroit on march 15th and 
pretend like i know what i'm doing.....try to get in fer free....heheheheh.




milkshake

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How many times do I have to remind you all that I'm a dork.

OOPS!! I did not know that Paul Johnson was in a wheelchair, how would I?
I've never even seen him before!

Thanks to everyone who so politely and courteously corrected me.

Did anyone happen to read the hateful message Mr. Bean sent me?  I was
just wondering if anyone else thought it was a bit harsh.  I don't think
anyone joined this group to be insulted.

I never insulted anyone for liking Richie Hawtin, did I?  If I did, I
apologize.  You are entitled to your own opinion, as I am to mine (or so I
thought).  By the way, I do love his cd's and mnost of his records, but
like I said, his style has changed SO MUCH in the last year, and I liked
it much better the old way.

Oh well.

PLUR (don't forget it!)

--Amy


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On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Darrin McCowan wrote:

> adam typed....
> > >party because Bad Boy Bill played it in a hot mix.     
> > 
> > My freind Gin just came back from a vacation in DC where he was a headliner
> > at a party.....he took a pic......hilarious.......and screamed at him:
> > "B96! Chicago Represent!"  
> > 
> > he said his reaction wasn't a freindly one....
> 
> I saw a flyer last year which he was a main DJ out in NY,NY.  Sounds
> like a nice guy.  I must admit he has some dope tracks, did Gin say if
> he could spin live, or does he need a four track?
> 
Actually, He was probably the best dj of the night at eclipse in DC.
pretty scary, huh.

tim



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At 06:04 PM 1/28/97 -0500, milkshake wrote:
>care to explain the series of  au/gold and ag/silver quotes de k8? :)

Sure, here goes:

It all started with the perverbial raver slogan "it's all good", then
people started abbreviating it into it's ag. My friend, Kate, took it a
step further and made it into it's silver. [ag] is the symbol for the
element silver. Now, Kate and I have gone way off with this and come up
with acronyms for the whole family of copper, silver and gold elements:

Copper [cu]  Completely Usual
Silver [ag]  All Good
Gold   [au]  All Unbelievable

Hope this helps to make some sense of my wackyness for you all. :)

m


"it's all unbelievable [au] gold" -Kate

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On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Do not put toaster past 6--it will burn. wrote:

> there's a group of kids i always see at parties, they say i look like 
> richie.  despite the fact that they know my name, they've started calling 
> me 'richie'......so i go to parties and someone will yell, "hey! richie! 
> how's it goin!"......maybe i should go to detroit on march 15th and 
> pretend like i know what i'm doing.....try to get in fer free....heheheheh.
> 

considering last year i had my head shaven, and i wear glasses, and 
usually i wore my plastikman tshirt to parties, i got this a couple of 
times...always amusing...always tempting to exploit.  hehe.

cheers,
dylan
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jp said:

>Miller, in conjunction with Budweiser, bring you


>P       A       C       K       E       R       S


>                     2.15.97


>with dj's

>Main Room.                              Cheese Room.
>Beer Room.
>----------                              ------------
>----------

>matter.                                         matter.
>matter.

>matter.                                         matter.
>matter.

>matter.                                         matter.
>matter.

>matter.                                         matter.
>matter.


>Featuring a live P.A. by:  cheesius matter.


>100 gigawatts of bass in you face.
>intellibeams, lasers, yadda yadda yadda.

>10 bucks at the door, or entry is free if you wear a complete packer
>uniform stolen from an angry, sweaty packer football team member.  This
>event is promoting cheese, beer, general mindless
>football aggression, testosterone, and the american way.

>        There will be a 'meth for cheese and beer' exchange program to show
>drug users the glory of cheese and beer. (cholesterol and calories)  Users
>can exchange their stash of crank and recieve fine wisconsin cheese and
>beer, no questions asked.


You forgot to add DJ ROBERT BROOKS.  Rumor has it he spins and the next time 
Paul and I throw a party in Green Bay...watch out!  BOBBY BROOKS ON TWO 
TURNTABLES!!!!!!YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Kimm

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Friday January 31st		CHICAGO			RELEASED

As 1997 begins, Progressive Society feels the need to give back to the scene we 
all enjoy and love.  Join us as we host a monumental night.  Chicago's 
authority on trance teams up with Deep Sky's J. Scott G. to start the new year 
with music and positive energy.  Prepare yourselves as Dan EFEX is, for the 
first time...

		          * R E L E A S E D *

		J. Scott G..............Albuquerque, NM
		Dan Efex................Chicago, IL
		Drew Young..(LIVE)......Chicago, IL
		Dr. Reality.............Chicago, IL
		E.T.....................Chicago, IL
		DJ Solo.................Bean, Chicago, IL

	- $10 (Flyering $5, Limit 2)
	- Free Record Giveaways (Time Unlimited)
	- No markers, weapons, glass bottles, and attitudes
	- All candy, food, water, and good vibes welcome

	          PROGRESSIVE SOCIETY:   312-370-4099




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elkanikkole@juno.com said:


>I realize of course that when things get tough it's a lot easier to live
>in fantasy (be it drugs, mental breakdowns, or professional football)
>than face facts, but unless we do it's just going to get crazier.  That's
>why I like a lot of the people I've met in the rave community.  They're
>living their lives, creating new, wonderful realities, and concentrating
>on great things that involve them. 

I think football is much MORE real than anything most ravers experience.  95% 
of ravers ESCAPE reality with drugs.  They are not creating a new reality, they 
are trying to get away from reality.  whether they realize it or not.  Truly, 
most ravers are from broken homes and such and many lack self esteem so they 
are easily brought into doing drugs.  even comparing football in the average 
american's life to the live of a raver is being ignorant.  the football players 
are REAL and do REAL THINGS and achieve REAL GOALS and motivate kids into doing 
something with their lives (well, maybe except for the dallas cowboys!).  The 
muppets you see in your trip aren't real... the feelings you get on E are not 
reality...  How many people look UP to ravers and say I wan't to be just like 
that.  I want to drool and suck on a pacifier and wear big jeans just like her.
how many people look up to football players?  A lot more than ravers, that's 
for sure.


>we know what's going on, and we're going to make it.


actually, many people don't know what THE FUCK IS GOING ON!!!  20 years from 
now we'll see who makes it.  

>Forget the Packers.

>Concentrate on THIS reality!

>elka


I love the pack!
THE PACK IS REAL-LY cool

huh huh huh
kimm

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At 05:48 PM 1/28/97 -0600, matter wrote:

>
>Copper [cu]  Completely Usual
>Silver [ag]  All Good
>Gold   [au]  All Unbelievable
>
>Hope this helps to make some sense of my wackyness for you all. :)
>
>m
>
hey matter, you forgot some:

Lead [Pb] Terrible!
Lithium [Li] wacky
and of course: 
Uranium [U] glowing (i.e. bursting with happiness or pride, ever heard the
expression "Glowing with pride?") :)

hehe, I need to get out of my ap chem class :)


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Here's a couple more, me and my clever mind teamed up for these two:

"That's a Phat Track"  Platinum  (i think anyway - pt right?)
"This is some fine e"   Iron

See ya!
**madison, disconsin, USA, planet earth**

no production crew, no dj bass squad, no 608 posse

unaffiliated, independent, unrelenting

It's not about who you know.  It's not about glamour or glory.  Most
importantly, it's not about where you've been.  It's about where you are
right now.  Hmmm?

*END of TR909ancemission*


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At 04:52 PM 1/28/97 +0000, Darrin McCowan wrote:
>thank you for helping me stand behind Billy (no sick jokes here) until
>he had a chance to speak for the situation. props to you and VA.

*hugs*


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At 06:11 PM 1/28/97 -0500, Do not put toaster past 6--it will burn. wrote:
>there's a group of kids i always see at parties, they say i look like 
>richie.  despite the fact that they know my name, they've started calling 
>me 'richie'......so i go to parties and someone will yell, "hey! richie! 
>how's it goin!"......maybe i should go to detroit on march 15th and 
>pretend like i know what i'm doing.....try to get in fer free....heheheheh.

you can't fool us, we know you are the REAL Richie Hawtin.

m


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At 06:15 PM 1/28/97 -0500, Amy Rene Rickets wrote:
>How many times do I have to remind you all that I'm a dork.

Prolly a whole lot, since I'm such a dork I can't even remember you saying
you were a dork, b4.

*stupid look*

m


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At 05:47 PM 1/28/97 -0600, FOLLKJ10@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu wrote:
>elkanikkole@juno.com said:
>
>
>>I realize of course that when things get tough it's a lot easier to live
>>in fantasy (be it drugs, mental breakdowns, or professional football)
>>than face facts, but unless we do it's just going to get crazier.  That's
>>why I like a lot of the people I've met in the rave community.  They're
>>living their lives, creating new, wonderful realities, and concentrating
>>on great things that involve them. 
>
>I think football is much MORE real than anything most ravers experience.  95% 
>of ravers ESCAPE reality with drugs.  

maybe you've done a survey on all the ravers and came up with this
percentage, or are you just generalizing??? :) Not trying to be mean or
anything, just wondering if that's a fact :)  

>They are not creating a new reality, they 
>are trying to get away from reality.  whether they realize it or not.  

all of us????  Well, I know for a fact that I'm not trying to get away from
reality, just more in touch with
it :)  I think I realize that :)

>Truly, 
>most ravers are from broken homes and such and many lack self esteem so they 
>are easily brought into doing drugs.  

Truly you must also have some sort of survey or other factual thingy to back
this up, again, were all the ravers surveyed (or at least a shit load???)
:)  *ANYONE* be it raver or rocker has a good chance of being brought into
drugs if they come from the above circumstances.  

>even comparing football in the average 
>american's life to the live of a raver is being ignorant. 

woohoo, we agree! :)

>the football players 
>are REAL and do REAL THINGS and achieve REAL GOALS

maybe some are, but there's undoubtedly at least a few who don't do anything
real but get all high and mighty on themselves (evidence???  I've seen
various articles, reports, etc. on it), and not as a fact, but as my
personal belief, I'd think that a good deal aren't "REAL and do REAL THINGS
and achieve REAL GOALS"

> and motivate kids into doing 
>something with their lives (well, maybe except for the dallas cowboys!).  

some ravers are too (oh but let me guess, you've got more evidence to
dispute my _belief_ :)

>The 
>muppets you see in your trip aren't real... 

glad someone set me straight!  :)

>the feelings you get on E are not 
>reality...  

well, they are reality, just induced by an outside chemical as opposed to an
internal one.  And actually, the outside chemical helps the internal ones to
actual create this feeling.  It *is* reality, however it's induced by a drug
and not an experience, emotion, etc.  And just because it's not "real"
doesn't mean someone can't learn from it, it still is an *experience*

>How many people look UP to ravers and say I wan't to be just like 
>that.  

I've heard a bunch of people (exact figures from my personal observation not
available, feel free to contradict me if you wish :)

>I want to drool and suck on a pacifier and wear big jeans just like her.
>how many people look up to football players?  A lot more than ravers, that's 
>for sure.
>
gee, I sound like my english teacher :), but i must ask again, any
evidence???? Hehe, not putting you down or anything, just disagreeing with
your statements (maybe you're a warm fuzzy person inside who just has
different opinions than me :)
>
>>we know what's going on, and we're going to make it.
>
>
>actually, many people don't know what THE FUCK IS GOING ON!!!  20 years from 
>now we'll see who makes it.  

Wow, we agree again :)  

>
>>Forget the Packers.
>
>>Concentrate on THIS reality!
>
>>elka

Well, if you want to concentrate on the packers, go ahead.  It's not hard to
keep up with football and the rest of what's going on (or at least some of it :)
>
>
>huh huh huh
>kimm
>
:0:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):0

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go, girl!  I am so sick of people flamin one another on the list over stupid
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i havent seen this posted yet, so i thought i would do so...

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everyone PLEASE STOP!!!!!

it seems to have gotten 3 times as bad in the past couple days.  and
someone keeps sending their obviously *private* replys to the list as well.

sorry to be so bitchy but this always gets my proverbial goat.  it's so
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take two of these and thank me in the morning,
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At 07:28 PM 1/28/97 -0700, Joseph C. Alfe wrote:
>go, girl!  I am so sick of people flamin one another on the list over stupid
>mistakes.  Im glad Amy stood up for herself and said "Be nice"  Its sound
>advice<----HION

Yeah, FUCK YOU! ;)

m

P.S. j/k everybody, HION is my friend and I totally agree w/ him...except:
Amy, right on for saying what you did AND bean, right on, for saying what
you said:

"This is for that Amy chick from Detroit. All I can say is that Paul Johnson,
the one that you're slacking off in your review of home 97, WAS the guy in
the wheelchair!  Not Spencer Kinsey the one that made you go, "Aw yeah."

No wonder you think Ritchie Hawtin sucks."

This is surely a jab at my friend Amy, but IMO, it is not a personal
affront... I would have included a wink at the end, but many times we don't
express ourselves electronically as well as we can in conversation or to
take it further in meditation... So, mebbe we can all just lighten up a
bit? ;) ;P :D =)

We all should be able to say whatever the fuck we want here and well,
anywhere in the FUCKING USA for that matter, BUT we should never get down
on each other... after all, I thought that's why we are all here, because
we're family... SO: ALL OF THE FUCKING E-MAIL BULLSHIT THAT HAS EVER
OCCURED (for whatever reason, between whoever and about whatever) IS NOW
GONE AND EXISTS ONLY IN THE HYPERREAL ARCHIVES!!! Abricadabra-Shazam! It is
done... Now we can all get back to having a good time and mebbe some of us
can try to help the fucked up idiots in this world to understand what love
is really all about... Maybe we can make up with some of the people we've
had grudges against and start acting like grown up kids. ;)

plur,
m <- posting 2 much, entering stealth mode for a week or two...

P.S. *hug* I love you kids!


"it's all unbelievable [au] gold" -Kate

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Does anyone know how to get a hold of Dan Efex, Chad Mindrive or DRC.

Sorry for the waste of bandwidth.

coLin


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Erinaceous wrote under the impression that I was pissed...
> Dude, I was lighthearted in my response on this subject.  Fact:  There were
> helicopters at the bust of Moonflower.  Fact: There are not usually
> helicopters brought in for a bust.  Fact:  I had fun at the party that was
> moved to Route 66 later that night anyway.  Fact:  ~Koog~ was wondering who
> threw what, I knew, so I answered and clarified for her.  Fact:  I didn't
> damn anyone for eternity in my posts.  Fact:  You're assuming that *I* am
> assuming stuff about the Vibe Alive crew, and I am not.  Fact: I have an
> ulcer, chill out so you don't get one too.  Sorry I pissed you off.
> 
> *curtsies*

if you have an ulcer are you supposed to drink or avoid milk? seriously,
I don't mean that as a joke.  And the rest... I just think too many
people did not let anything be explained, and no one was (except Matter
and a few others) backing up the posibility it wasn't VA's fault, at
least they didn't convey the idea and I don't have ESP except on wax). 
It wasn't a direct attack on you or anyone, just the way you responded
to the situation.  But hopefully everything is on its way to recovery. 
I am still serious about the ulcer thing, rsvp.  I'm not pissed off,
just trying to be fair to all.

*bows*

Darrin M.
C.I.A.

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Matter said it best when he stated that many signals aren't sent through
e-Mail.  Those being our physical expressions.  Many of us may be
judging letters on the words (go figure).  So if any one out there could
fill me in on all the little symbols used out there to represent our
physical expressions I'd be ecstatic.  Maybe Matter knows them all,
after all, hes on here just about as much as I am.  Due to this lack of
communication I have led some of my newest friends to think I am a jerk
(my close friends still tell me that).  These new friends include, but
aren't limited to (I type the fine print on contracts) Peggy Hroma,
Erinaceous and HION.  First and formost I am a big Fu**ing Smart*ss.  I
usually type my smart*ss coments in parenthasees (like these, see
above).  Two...I have been working really hard to be as positive of a
person as I can, I'm doing pretty good (so does my shrink).  And D... (I
know, I did it on purpose), sh*t, I forgot what I was going to say. 
Anyway, I hope you all understand each other, especialy me, a little bit
better in the future.  Like Forrest's mom said, life is like a bag of E,
you never know what you'll get.

Darrin M.
C.I.A.

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is anyone from the chicago are driving to porcupine rocketship?  i'm from 
indiana and i'm willing to drive as far as chicago.......if anyone has 
room for two ppl in their car,  please let me know........i MUST go to 
this party! :) :) john aquaviva and kimball collins!!! terry mullan!! 
any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated......gas money, good 
tapes, and good company included in this offer. :)


milkshake


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what's all this talk of plasticman, jwan, Darryl May and peeps?  All I
wanted was to talk to other braves fans.  I've heard of plastic cups
that I use to drink beer from at the games, "jwanna red hot" is what my
friends always say, Darryl Strawberry pitched here before.  That peeps
one has me stumped though.  I've never seen a Braves party get busted
though.  Except in '88 when my buddy got piss ass drunk and tried to put
out all of the fires in the grills at a tailgate party by taking a leak
on 'em, and this 300 lb guy with his butt-crack showing just about
steamrolled him for ruining a perfectly good meal.  And what is e, x and
lsd.  All I know is era, rbi, hr and I eat special K for breakfast.  I
agree that the police and security do get rough in Chicago though.  The
Cubs were down and the tension was high (so was I though) and we got
caught smoking some refer.  That pig just about threw me from the
highest level they got there at Wrigley, and the security guy that
helped drag me out thought it would be nice to accidentally kick me in
the huevos.  Damn them authorities in Chicago, I won't be back.  Well, I
gotta clean up still from my Superbowl party, my wife left me so I have
to do it.

Sorry, I got bored, give me a break, I'm a design student, not a
comedian.

Darrin M.
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Well, I've been informed by a former list member that it is now my god
given duty to set up a net meet for the long await Extasis party.  So all
y'all who are coming out to celebrate their return, let me know what
sounds good for you!

Preliminarily, I'll say 2am by the smart drinky place, if there isn't one,
howz about by the bathrooms?  (It's an Iowa party, I'm assuming small
space??  Idunno.... :)

Let me know.

*Megan*

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just added to the bill for Revive on Friday night...
the return of a member of the original Exstasis DJ Crew
in one of his FINAL area performances before moving to
Orlando, Florida.... TONY GIOVANNI.  Peace to all, see
you on Friday - anyone there, look for me (I'll be the
one takin' yo money.)  OX4, Exstasis.

>Friday 1.31.97
>
>QUAD CITIES
>
>the return of EXSTASIS promotions
>
>R E V I V E
>
>with your dj's for the evening:
>
>MIKE DEARBORN  -  Chicago 
>JEFREE DEE - Milwaukee
>CMC - Chicago/Exstasis
>TYSON HOWELL - Quad Cities 
>SPINTELLIGENT - Quad Cities
>JOSH BARNES - Quad Cities
>K-LIB - Quad Cities
 TONY GIOVANNI - Quad Cities/Exstasis
>
>It's been 6 months.... we are BACK.
>
>3 0 9 . 7 5 7 . 5 3 2 3 





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Does anyone have the info # or directions for the 
Plus8 party on Saturday???

I'll probably be here in Louisville for Urban Warriors, 
but if I can find a ride to Detroit, I'll be there!!

thanks...

j-Sun


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I was wondering about the "it's silver" thingee too----very creative, I
like it!:)
*ArasarA*

On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, matter wrote:

> At 06:04 PM 1/28/97 -0500, milkshake wrote:
> >care to explain the series of  au/gold and ag/silver quotes de k8? :)
> 
> Sure, here goes:
> 
> It all started with the perverbial raver slogan "it's all good", then
> people started abbreviating it into it's ag. My friend, Kate, took it a
> step further and made it into it's silver. [ag] is the symbol for the
> element silver. Now, Kate and I have gone way off with this and come up
> with acronyms for the whole family of copper, silver and gold elements:
> 
> Copper [cu]  Completely Usual
> Silver [ag]  All Good
> Gold   [au]  All Unbelievable
> 
> Hope this helps to make some sense of my wackyness for you all. :)
> 
> m
> 
> 
> "it's all unbelievable [au] gold" -Kate
> 
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plastikprodukts 810.772.2423

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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COLIN! =) 

 Good to have you back sweetie. =) Umm, Dan Efex sometimes pretends he's a
list member, so you may get in contact with him now.... =) Or I think I
have his email addy laying around if you wanna email me privately... 


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On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 bossen_c@cc.denison.edu wrote:

> Does anyone know how to get a hold of Dan Efex, Chad Mindrive or DRC.
> 
> Sorry for the waste of bandwidth.
> 
> coLin
> 


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Hey kids!

 I was driving past this place this mornin on my way to work, where a new
"techo/rave" club is supposed to open on Friday. On the sign outside the
club, it said something about John Acquiviva playing there on Friday
night, which is opening nite? Now, I'm not sure about this, does anyone
have any info, or have ANY idea if John is booked to play somewhere else
that nite? If he's not, and he _IS_ playing there, this place is right up
the stret from where I live. If any of you were to come down for this
shindig, or any Cincy kids are gonna go, we could have a pre-party at our
place... =) Let me know!


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for those of you looking to better express yourselves via e-mail, here is a
www site, which has several good examples of smileys... ;)

http://www.mcastl.ieee.org/~merlin/smileys.htm

:D

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   all this talk about ppl traveling hours and hours for fridays party has me
real nervous.
    BE FOR WARNED that the rumor mill has it that this is going to be at a
small venue (ive heard Alvins). this place is terribly small with a bar
atmosphere. ive also heard its going to end kinda early. i can see it now 100s
of messages on monday about ppl traveling hours and hours, only to get there
and find that theyve reached capacity or that its over. leave early, get there
early if you are traveling so you can avoid all that. OR rememer that there
will be OTHER ones, dont kill your self getting here. THE PARTY IS CALLED 'TRIP
ONE' FOR A REASON, there wil be others!
     the weather for the weekend is calling for snow showers and highs in the
lows 30s, id hate to see ppl risking thier lives in a car to get to detroit, we
want you to be able to come back!.
Diana

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i've got a little b/w flier here that i obtained in indy last fri....(get 
movin')........it says:
------------------------------------------
jan. 31--1997

LEVEL 1     

presents--JOHN AQUAVIVA--+8 records-definitive-intellinet

4 HOUR SET

11PM til ?????????

6$ at the door

239 calhoun st. 
cinci, OH



ghettostyle@jun.com
CALL:(513)944-5556




-------------------------------------




milkshake




On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Becky Wangenheim wrote:

> Hey kids!
> 
>  I was driving past this place this mornin on my way to work, where a new
> "techo/rave" club is supposed to open on Friday. On the sign outside the
> club, it said something about John Acquiviva playing there on Friday
> night, which is opening nite? Now, I'm not sure about this, does anyone
> have any info, or have ANY idea if John is booked to play somewhere else
> that nite? If he's not, and he _IS_ playing there, this place is right up
> the stret from where I live. If any of you were to come down for this
> shindig, or any Cincy kids are gonna go, we could have a pre-party at our
> place... =) Let me know!
> 
> 
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>    |                          Customer Service                            |
>    `-----------------------> http://www.one.net <-------------------------'
> 
> 

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well for you poor minneapolis kids who are stuck in the cities this
weekend, Ecstatic Music has another one of the parties in their flavorite
series.

this time the theme is "blue." so I assume if you come wearing blue, you
get some kind of discount...

the featured DJ this week is Boo Williams.

also, rumor has it minneapolis' best junglist DJ Wisc will be spinning.
theck this guy out- he's wicked!

so if you're looking for something to do in minneapolis, and you don't
mind the kids in the corner with their mirrors and razor blades, this
should be pretty fun.

(612)399-1724 for info.

chrisE!

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Thanks!! 239 Calhoun IS the place right up the street from me. =) Anyone
wanna come over for a pre-party?


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On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Do not put toaster past 6--it will burn. wrote:

> 
> i've got a little b/w flier here that i obtained in indy last fri....(get 
> movin')........it says:
> ------------------------------------------
> jan. 31--1997
> 
> LEVEL 1     
> 
> presents--JOHN AQUAVIVA--+8 records-definitive-intellinet
> 
> 4 HOUR SET
> 
> 11PM til ?????????
> 
> 6$ at the door
> 
> 239 calhoun st. 
> cinci, OH
> 
> 
> 
> ghettostyle@jun.com
> CALL:(513)944-5556
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> milkshake
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Becky Wangenheim wrote:
> 
> > Hey kids!
> > 
> >  I was driving past this place this mornin on my way to work, where a new
> > "techo/rave" club is supposed to open on Friday. On the sign outside the
> > club, it said something about John Acquiviva playing there on Friday
> > night, which is opening nite? Now, I'm not sure about this, does anyone
> > have any info, or have ANY idea if John is booked to play somewhere else
> > that nite? If he's not, and he _IS_ playing there, this place is right up
> > the stret from where I live. If any of you were to come down for this
> > shindig, or any Cincy kids are gonna go, we could have a pre-party at our
> > place... =) Let me know!
> > 
> > 
> >    .--> O  n  e  N  e  t      C  o  m  m  u  n  i  c  a  t  i  o  n  s <--.   
> >    |    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    |
> >    |          Becky Wangenheim -  beckie@one.net - (513) 326-6000         |
> >    |                          Customer Service                            |
> >    `-----------------------> http://www.one.net <-------------------------'
> > 
> > 
> 


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If this is true, could someone give me an age thing on this place.  How old you
have to be to get in a shit.  It's not for me, but a friend.


>
> Hey kids!
>
>  I was driving past this place this mornin on my way to work, where a new
> "techo/rave" club is supposed to open on Friday. On the sign outside the
> club, it said something about John Acquiviva playing there on Friday
> night, which is opening nite? Now, I'm not sure about this, does anyone
> have any info, or have ANY idea if John is booked to play somewhere else
> that nite? If he's not, and he _IS_ playing there, this place is right up
> the stret from where I live. If any of you were to come down for this
> shindig, or any Cincy kids are gonna go, we could have a pre-party at our
> place... =) Let me know!
>
>
>    .--> O  n  e  N  e  t      C  o  m  m  u  n  i  c  a  t  i  o  n  s <--.

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>    |                          Customer Service                            |
>    `-----------------------> http://www.one.net <-------------------------'
>
>


--
joff
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
-- Albert Einstein


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On 1/29/97, blarfunkular (chrisE!) amazingly wrote the following tezzagipshunt:

>so if you're looking for something to do in minneapolis, and you don't
>mind the kids in the corner with their mirrors and razor blades,

Mirrors and razor blades?  Man.. those punks.. they should be using sheet
steel and chisels to chop their shit like the real ravers in (insert
favorite city here) do.


Sorry.. just got out of a shit class...





                                               -jp
                                               <incessantly lulling.>
                                               <randomly stimulating>



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On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, ricochet wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Michael Dearborn wrote:
> 
> > I'm not saying that drugs don't exist in the scene, but there report 
> > stated  "if you don't use drugs at a rave you stick out like a sore 
> > thumb" and "there is so much peer pressure to use drugs".  Please tell 
> > me if I am wrong, but I really don't think this is the case.    
> 
> i think you're wrong. i think for the growing number of younger 
> partygoers, the influence of attitude that is very pro-drug is 
> ovewhelming.  like i said before about minneapolis...kids of the age of 
> 15 asking for surfaces for whatever powdery snortables, to the 14 year 
> old who kept begging me for doses at phore + four more, to the countless 
> strung out ppl at parties...the older (adult) partygoers have usually 
> figured out what works for them and/or can resist the pressures of group 
> action, but anyone and everyone on this list went thru high school and 
> knows damn well how impressionable most kids are at that age. if you 
> think to take me on on this point consider that 5 years ago the kids who 
> wear green day tshirts and dye thier hair oarange with manic panic are 
> the ones who would be preppy as can be and listen to whatever the "in" 
> crowd was listening to, doing the same activities...
> 
Mike..next time the 14 year old kid comes to you begging you for doses
tell him to go to walgreens and buy a $5 bottle of robotussin maxximum
strength cough....
and to drink the whole bottle :)
soon parents will be blaming walgreens and ph armacy stores for america's
drug problem!

> i think what im seeing in my post is a basic statement that kids in 
> general, and for many, this carries into the lat teens early 20s, are 
> impressionable enuff to flock to group activities. and one of the main 
> group activities at parties *is* drug use. so i dont think that 20/20 was 
> out of line saying that...i am sure however that they stessed it like it 
> was exclusive to this scene and no other, which is bullshit.
> 
> as for mike's comment about it being harder to find spaces...well. simple 
> solution: assure your space owners that drugs won't be tolerated. and 
> before the flames fly, this isnt some sXe asshole saying drugs at parties 
> is wrong, this is a kid who's been to the drug end of parties and back 
> and realises that we can't expect the law to say "oh they're using 
> illegal substances for the sake of fun and they're doing it safely (how 
> often i wonder) and if they freak out or if there's trouble, they'll all 
> help each other..." because that's not gonna happen.  raves at this point 
> on the scale they've reached, as far as large chicago parties are 
> concerned, are simply large events that just fall short of being 
> clubs...one of the differentiations is that clubs would in theory never 
> let such casual illegal drug use occur.  so the question is: do you 
> become "legit" in the eyes of the law and throw large scale parties 
> without worry or do you go back undergroud (in terms of the days of 
> breaking into warehouses and 8-10$ parties)?
> 
> thoughts, questions, but not necesarrily any answers...
> 
> cheers,
> dylan
> 
> _____________________________________________________________________
> | dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            
> | bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            
> | personal homepage: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet
> | mw jungle page: http://www.uwm.edu/~ricochet/jungle
> 
> 


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well i would go but *i* have 8:50pm tix to STAR WARS!!!  AWWWWW YEAH!!

like 7 or 8 of the shows at the new huge theater are already sold out for
friday night.  we went to buy tix yesterday, no-one was there to see a
movie.  only to buy star wars tickets. hahahaha.

to really make this related to the thread, we have a flyer for this, and
yes, it says john acquaviva.  i'm not 100% sure on the date tho...

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 kctopitz@students.wisc.edu wrote:

> i just wanted to share my little story about what happened to me at Home '97
> this weekend. one of the security guards suspected me of having drugs, and
> in the process of taking me off to a little room to have me searched, one of
> his partners thought i felt i was resisting (i had stopped walking when i
> realized that they wanted to get me in a closed room alone with them) and
> punched me in the face. at this point i decided just to be cool and do
> whatever i needed to do to get out of this situation. i went in the room and
> was searched. the only thing they found on me was a few Utopia (herbal e)
> capsules that had been sitting in my bag for months. they had the guard who
> had found me escort me back to the party, but before he let me go, he sat me
> down to talk with him about how he had just gotten me out of there. he said
> that if he hadn't pulled me out i would be on my way to jail right then
> because they didn't know for sure what was in those capsules, and i'll
> scratch your back if you scratch mine, and how much money do you have on
> you. now i knew that he wasn't a cop, even though he had claimed to be one
> (and even showed me a tarnished old badge that looked like it cost a dollar
> at a pawn shop), and i knew this was all bullshit, but at this point i just
> wanted to end this. i offered him $20, he said $50. we settled on $35. he
> told me the procedure. we went to the bathroom, i went in a stall and left
> $30 (he didn't seem to care) under the lid of the toilet. he went in after
> me and got the money, said a few more words and sent me on my way.
> 
> a couple friends told me that they knew of some other people who had
> problems with security, except these people actually had drugs on them.
> after they were searched, they paid their fee and were given their drugs
> back and let go.
> 
> i'd appreciate any info on how to contact Mystic Bill of Vibe Alive by means
> other than voice mail if anyone has it.
> 
> -kc
> 
> 
This is quite funny as when i went to one of CORE's JUICE parties this
summer, the guards at the door accused me of possession of *DRUGS* because
i had a bottle full of herbal energizer pills!!




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I saw a 4-hour set of him in Toronto, at a small underground club a 
couple of weeks ago.  I assume that the Cincinatti thing will be relatively 
similar, so I'll give a quick review.

Basically, I couldn't even tell it was him to begin with, he was SOO 
mediocre.  Fine stuff, just nothing that was really moving anyone.  Then 
he progressed a lil further than just the dancey stuff he was doing (inc 
that overplayed Tori Amos remix), and began to do some progressive 
stuff.  Then came the trance, and it got harder and harder, with short 
breaks between a lot of it (you can see, his style changed entirely every 
hour or so, so much so that if I weren't looking, you'd swear it was 4 
different jocks)  People were really getting into this, and at one point 
he entirely shut down to nothing, yelling to the small crowd "Happy or 
Hard?"  We all yelled hard, and even tho I don't particularily dig 
hardcore, when you have primed the crowd with hardtrance, it makes for a 
perfect transission.  Never thought I'd say it, but his hard set was 
slamming, fucking excellent with all 50 of us out on the floor :)
At one point, for just under an hour, he did some really experimental 
stuff, uncategorizable but doing buildups and then no music whatsoever for 
like 10 seconds or so.  It was ok, but you could tell he had gotten the 
crowd up, and was just trying some shit out since there were so few of 
us.  I can't remember if this was at the end of the night, or if it was 
right before the hardtrance->hardcore.

Anyhow, well worth it, but you can skip the intro.  On the other hand, 
the shit at the beginning made the trance and hardcore that much more 
enjoyable, cause we were all just waiting for him to throw the shit down:)

go go girl lisa


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Does anyone have any inside information on this event?  I am trying to
decide wheter to go to Chicago this weekend or some other weekend... it
involves an 8 hour drive, so any help would be appreciatied.

Dustonian


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On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Aaron M. Bennett wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Amy Rene Rickets wrote:
> 
> > I was just wondering,
> >  
> > 	do you all really think Richie Hawtin is a good DJ? 
> > 
> 
> *some stuff snipped*
> 
> >  but the last two times I've heard him spin (Jak-o-lantern and
> > Sickness and Recovery) I would say he was...BORING. 
> 
> 
> well...i personally can't get enough of his dj'ing.  his track selection
> is incredible as he plays the most minimal, twisted, tweaky tracks.  its
> pure intensity.  granted, it may seem overly minimal to some people, but i
> don't think that every track played at party has to be party anthem, crowd
> pleasing type tracks.  not that i don't mind them, but i would like to
> hear something other than "flash" by fix everytime i go a party (just as
> an example).  he messes with your head during his set and its great!!
> 
> i thought his set at sickness/recovery was cool (its not everyday i can
> hear the burial mix record on a system that does it justice!!).  his set
> at jak's back was even better (the crowd went nuts when he played
> spastik).  but, my favorite richie set to date was jak II back in october
> of 1994.  cool space, cool tracks (he played the infamous 7 ways to jack),
> great party.  
> 
> 
> >  He does know how to
> > throw a party (so why did he use THE WAREHOUSE at Jak's Bak??????)-which
> > is why I still attend most of hisparties-that, and also because of the
> > fact that John Aquaviva often plays (MY FAVE!!!!!).  Just wondering
> > what y'all thought.
> 
> 
> whenever plus 8 throws a party, you can always expect a quality and
> intense night of music.  also, i've really liked john acquaviva's sets
> lately.  he has been playing more harder stuff lately....
> 
> 
> aaron bennett
> western michigan university/black nation records: kalamazoo, michigan
> x6bennet@lab2.cc.wmich.edu
> 
> halfway between detroit and chicago....
> 
> 
When i heard john acquaviva at io2 he sounded like..*WATER*!!! and i
*LOVE* watery sounding music...
Even better than richie in my opinion:
Mathew Hawtin!!!!!!

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com

> 
> 


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>From: Ilegra@aol.com
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>good stuff at the bottom
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>In a message dated 97-01-29 00:24:27 EST, NY TYRANT writes:
>
><<   >>
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>here ...read this ...very import.info
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>  Hi Doll,
>Please read this carefully and thoughly !
>Contains VITAL INFO!!!!!
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>
>In a message dated 97-01-21 22:52:05 EST, Joejilly writes:
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>just cuz i care...:)
>---------------------
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>
>AS you can see I sent this as soon as I herd bout it! Read this carefull
>Hope to see you soon!
>
>FYI only.  Please Read Carefully
>  > 
>  > PLEASE POST!!!   THIS VIRUS MEANS BUSINESS !!!!!!!!!!
>  > 
>  > There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet.
>  > If you receive an email message with the subject line "GOOD TIMES",
>  > DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately.
>  > 
>  > PLEASE READ THE MESSAGE BELOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>  > 
>  > Some miscreant is sending  email under the title "Good Times"
>  > nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE!
>  > 
>  > It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything it.
>  > Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about.  The
>  > FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major
>  > importance to any regular user  of the Internet. Apparently a new
>  > computer virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that is
>  > unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other more well-known
>  > viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in
>  > comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped
>  > mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the
>  > fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be
>  > infected. It can be spread through the existing email systems of the
>  > Internet.
>  > 
>  > Once a Computer is infected, one of  several things can  happen.  If the
>  > computer contains a hard drive, that  will most likely be destroyed. If
>  > the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in
>  > an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can severely damage the
>  > processor  if left running that way too long.  Unfortunately, most
>  > novice computer users will not realize what is happening until it is far
>  > too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now
>  > known as the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the
>  > same way in a text email message with the subject line reading "Good
>  > Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the file has been received
>  > simply by NOT READING IT! The act of loading the file into the mail
>  > server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times" mainline program to
>  > initialize and execute.
>  > 
>  > The program is highly intelligent - it will  send copies of itself to
>  > everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or a
>  > sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the
>  > computer it is running on.
>  > 
>  > The bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject line "Good
>  > Times", delete it  immediately! Do not read it"  Rest assured that
>  > whoever's name was on the  "From" line was surely struck by the virus.
>  > Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to the
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From: Matthew James Brown <mbrown@ddt.eng.uc.edu>
Subject: Re: John Acquiviva in Cincinnati on Friday???
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Hells yeah I got the flyer a week or two ago. Only mine was red and black 
:) Ill be there for sure since I can see the place right now out my 
window. Anybody else that is going to be in town for this let me know. 

Bring the noise!!!!

matt

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Do not put toaster past 6--it will burn. wrote:

> 
> i've got a little b/w flier here that i obtained in indy last fri....(get 
> movin')........it says:
> ------------------------------------------
> jan. 31--1997
> 
> LEVEL 1     
> 
> presents--JOHN AQUAVIVA--+8 records-definitive-intellinet
> 
> 4 HOUR SET
> 
> 11PM til ?????????
> 
> 6$ at the door
> 
> 239 calhoun st. 
> cinci, OH
> 
> 
> 
> ghettostyle@jun.com
> CALL:(513)944-5556
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> milkshake
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Becky Wangenheim wrote:
> 
> > Hey kids!
> > 
> >  I was driving past this place this mornin on my way to work, where a new
> > "techo/rave" club is supposed to open on Friday. On the sign outside the
> > club, it said something about John Acquiviva playing there on Friday
> > night, which is opening nite? Now, I'm not sure about this, does anyone
> > have any info, or have ANY idea if John is booked to play somewhere else
> > that nite? If he's not, and he _IS_ playing there, this place is right up
> > the stret from where I live. If any of you were to come down for this
> > shindig, or any Cincy kids are gonna go, we could have a pre-party at our
> > place... =) Let me know!
> > 
> > 
> >    .--> O  n  e  N  e  t      C  o  m  m  u  n  i  c  a  t  i  o  n  s <--.   
> >    |    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    |
> >    |          Becky Wangenheim -  beckie@one.net - (513) 326-6000         |
> >    |                          Customer Service                            |
> >    `-----------------------> http://www.one.net <-------------------------'
> > 
> > 
> 

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On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Do not put toaster past 6--it will burn. wrote:

> 
> 
> there's a group of kids i always see at parties, they say i look like 
> richie.  despite the fact that they know my name, they've started calling 
> me 'richie'......so i go to parties and someone will yell, "hey! richie! 
> how's it goin!"......maybe i should go to detroit on march 15th and 
> pretend like i know what i'm doing.....try to get in fer free....heheheheh.
> 
hey don't forget your crate of records either!!!!!
!!!!Maybe you cloned yourself and made richie hawtin or the other way
around?
bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com

> 
> 
> 
> milkshake
> 


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> > me 'richie'......so i go to parties and someone will yell, "hey! richie! 
> > how's it goin!"......maybe i should go to detroit on march 15th and 
> > pretend like i know what i'm doing.....try to get in fer free....heheheheh.
> > 
> hey don't forget your crate of records either!!!!!
> !!!!Maybe you cloned yourself and made richie hawtin or the other way
> around?


you caught us......but we've yet to perfect the process......the cloning 
works, but there's always a few things missing, or a few different 
things........for instance, he's got mad cash, i don't......he's got mad 
talent, i've got considerably less......he's got a bunch of great 
records/equipment, and i don't.....(quite possibly due to the first 
example?)



milkshake 

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From: Becky Wangenheim <beckie@one.net>
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I find absolutely NOTHING funny about kc's story... and I'm so amazed as
to why someone would think that YOU out of all people would be accused of
possession of drugs Kevin... *rolls her eyes*

   .--> O  n  e  N  e  t      C  o  m  m  u  n  i  c  a  t  i  o  n  s <--.   
   |    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    |
   |          Becky Wangenheim -  beckie@one.net - (513) 326-6000         |
   |                          Customer Service                            |
   `-----------------------> http://www.one.net <-------------------------'

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Kevin Koch wrote:

> > 
> This is quite funny as when i went to one of CORE's JUICE parties this
> summer, the guards at the door accused me of possession of *DRUGS* because
> i had a bottle full of herbal energizer pills!!
> 


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cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
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On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Do not put toaster past 6--it will burn. wrote:

> 
> > > me 'richie'......so i go to parties and someone will yell, "hey! richie! 
> > > how's it goin!"......maybe i should go to detroit on march 15th and 
> > > pretend like i know what i'm doing.....try to get in fer free....heheheheh.
> > > 
> > hey don't forget your crate of records either!!!!!
> > !!!!Maybe you cloned yourself and made richie hawtin or the other way
> > around?
> 
> 
> you caught us......but we've yet to perfect the process......the cloning 
> works, but there's always a few things missing, or a few different 
> things........for instance, he's got mad cash, i don't......he's got mad 
> talent, i've got considerably less......he's got a bunch of great 
> records/equipment, and i don't.....(quite possibly due to the first 
> example?)
> 
when you get te cloneing process perfected you will be able to spin on as
many turntables as you like!!!! (try spinning on 50 turntables
simultaneously!!!)
bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com
(you'll have JEff Mils worshiping you then!!!!)

 > 
> 
> milkshake 
> 


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On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Becky Wangenheim wrote:

> I find absolutely NOTHING funny about kc's story... and I'm so amazed as
> to why someone would think that YOU out of all people would be accused of
> possession of drugs Kevin... *rolls her eyes*

I was saying that i found it funny that the security guards were taking
KC's herbal ecstasy pills.......
they probably thought it was real ecstasy...or they probably knew it wsa
herbal ecstasy, and tried to accuse him with possession of real ecstasy.

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com

> 
>    .--> O  n  e  N  e  t      C  o  m  m  u  n  i  c  a  t  i  o  n  s <--.   
>    |    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    |
>    |          Becky Wangenheim -  beckie@one.net - (513) 326-6000         |
>    |                          Customer Service                            |
>    `-----------------------> http://www.one.net <-------------------------'
> 
> On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Kevin Koch wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > This is quite funny as when i went to one of CORE's JUICE parties this
> > summer, the guards at the door accused me of possession of *DRUGS* because
> > i had a bottle full of herbal energizer pills!!
> > 
> 
> 


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> > me 'richie'......so i go to parties and someone will yell, "hey! richie! 
> > how's it goin!"......maybe i should go to detroit on march 15th and 
> > pretend like i know what i'm doing.....try to get in fer free....heheheheh.
> > 
> hey don't forget your crate of records either!!!!!
> !!!!Maybe you cloned yourself and made richie hawtin or the other way
> around?


you caught us......but we've yet to perfect the process......the cloning 
works, but there's always a few things missing, or a few different 
things........for instance, he's got mad cash, i don't......he's got mad 
talent, i've got considerably less......he's got a bunch of great 
records/equipment, and i don't.....(quite possibly due to the first 
example?)



milkshake 

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Okay, I heard something which I need to have verified cuz I don't really
believe it.  Someone told me that John Acquaviva is coming to Heresy
(Lexington, KY) sometime in February????  Uh...(completely lost), does
anyone have any comment on that or know any 411?
peace out
Allyson



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From: weasel3@dot-net.net (Linda Mautner)
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Matthew Carl Joffe wrote:
> 
> If this is true, could someone give me an age thing on this place.  How old you
> have to be to get in a shit.  It's not for me, but a friend.
> 

I would be interested in that^^^ info too...
Thanx


> >
> > Hey kids!
> >
> >  I was driving past this place this mornin on my way to work, where a new
> > "techo/rave" club is supposed to open on Friday. On the sign outside the
> > club, it said something about John Acquiviva playing there on Friday
> > night, which is opening nite? Now, I'm not sure about this, does anyone
> > have any info, or have ANY idea if John is booked to play somewhere else
> > that nite? If he's not, and he _IS_ playing there, this place is right up
> > the stret from where I live. If any of you were to come down for this
> > shindig, or any Cincy kids are gonna go, we could have a pre-party at our
> > place... =) Let me know!
> >

-- 
DJ Weasel (Ben, not Linda)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3326/

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Toymachine wrote:
> 
> Okay, I heard something which I need to have verified cuz I don't really
> believe it.  Someone told me that John Acquaviva is coming to Heresy
> (Lexington, KY) sometime in February????  Uh...(completely lost), does
> anyone have any comment on that or know any 411?
> peace out
> Allyson


John Aquaviva cancelled.  No other info is available yet.
I'm not involved with the party.  That is just what they told me.
-- 
 
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                                                  trevor lamont
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dan efex, are you out there?  Thought you said you sent me mail earlier!

sorry all.
go go girl

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Just rumor...Heresy was talking to on, but John will be in Australia on
that date...Geez I would be too just to get out of Lexingon!!

Smooches Ally!

Bruce

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Toymachine wrote:

> Okay, I heard something which I need to have verified cuz I don't really
> believe it.  Someone told me that John Acquaviva is coming to Heresy
> (Lexington, KY) sometime in February????  Uh...(completely lost), does
> anyone have any comment on that or know any 411?
> peace out
> Allyson
>
>
>


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Posts like this are viruses of sorts.  All they do is waste space.  (No
disrespect to whoever posted this, you had nothing but good intentions 
:-)  )

>AS you can see I sent this as soon as I herd bout it! Read this carefull
>Hope to see you soon!
>
>FYI only.  Please Read Carefully
>  > 
>  > PLEASE POST!!!   THIS VIRUS MEANS BUSINESS !!!!!!!!!!
>  > 
>  > There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet.
>  > If you receive an email message with the subject line "GOOD TIMES",
>  > DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately.
>  > 
>  > PLEASE READ THE MESSAGE BELOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>  > 
>  > Some miscreant is sending  email under the title "Good Times"
>  > nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE!
>  > 
>  > It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything
it.
>  > Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about. 
The
>  > FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major
>  > importance to any regular user  of the Internet. Apparently a new
>  > computer virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that
is
>  > unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other more well-known
>  > viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in
>  > comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped
>  > mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the
>  > fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be
>  > infected. It can be spread through the existing email systems of the
>  > Internet.
>  > 
>  > Once a Computer is infected, one of  several things can  happen.  If
the
>  > computer contains a hard drive, that  will most likely be destroyed.
If
>  > the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed
in
>  > an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can severely damage
the
>  > processor  if left running that way too long.  Unfortunately, most
>  > novice computer users will not realize what is happening until it is
far
>  > too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now
>  > known as the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers
the
>  > same way in a text email message with the subject line reading "Good
>  > Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the file has been received
>  > simply by NOT READING IT! The act of loading the file into the mail
>  > server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times" mainline program to
>  > initialize and execute.
>  > 
>  > The program is highly intelligent - it will  send copies of itself
to
>  > everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or
a
>  > sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash
the
>  > computer it is running on.
>  > 
>  > The bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject line
"Good
>  > Times", delete it  immediately! Do not read it"  Rest assured that
>  > whoever's name was on the  "From" line was surely struck by the
virus.
>  > Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to
the
>  > Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money.
>  > 
>  > Could you pass this along to your global mailing list as well?
>  > 
>  
>-----------------
>
>********IMPORTANT******* 
>PLEASE SEND TO PEOPLE YOU CARE ABOUT OR JUST PEOPLE ONLINE
>-----------------
>
>

--------- End forwarded message ----------


This is impossible.  You cannot get a virus through a text based file. 
There just isn't enough "space" for it to hide.  The only way you can get
any type of computer virus is in a program that must be executed.  Not
text, midi, graphics, or sound file.  Any file that cannot be opened by
it self (without a helper program) cannot be infected by viruses.  Disks
(which you can't send through the internet, last time I checked) can be
infected because they have boot sectors, but since a text file does not,
then you can't get any sort of virus.

Here is a funny little story about the so-called "Goodtimes" "virus"

> The Goodtimes Email Virus
> 
> Goodtimes will re-write your hard drive.  Not only that, but it will
> scramble any disks that are even close to your computer.  It will
> recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice cream
> goes melty.  It will demagnetize the strips on all your credit cards,
> screw up the tracking on your television and use subspace field
> harmonics to scratch any CD's you try to play.
> 
> It will give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix
> Kool-aid into your fishtank.  It will drink all your beer and leave
> its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming over.
> It will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants
> and hide your car keys when you are late for work.
> 
> Goodtimes will make you fall in love with a penguin.  It will give you
> nightmares about circus midgets.  It will pour sugar in your gas tank
> and shave off both your eyebrows while dating your current boyfriend
> behind your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Visa
> card.
> 
> It will seduce your grandmother.  It does not matter if she is dead,
> such is the power of Goodtimes, it reaches out beyond the grave to
> sully those things we hold most dear.
> 
> It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it.
> It will kick your dog.  It will leave libidinous messages on your
> boss's voice mail in your voice!  It is insidious and subtle. It is
> dangerous and terrifying to behold.  It is also a rather interesting
> shade of mauve.
> 
> Goodtimes will give you Dutch Elm disease.  It will leave the toilet
> seat up.  It will make a batch of Methamphetamine in your bathtub and
> then leave bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase
> gradeschoolers with your new snowblower.
> 
> These are just a few signs...  Just be very careful!

Send this to everyone you know.

Stop the spread of this space-wasting virus!

Again, I AM IN NO WAY DISRESPECTING THE PERSON WHO ORIGIONALLY POSTED THE
MESSAGE ABOUT THIS!!!  YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WERE DOING AND IT SEEMED
ALL RIGHT AT THE TIME!!!  Unless you did know what you did...  in that
case, you will be struck by lightning three times in karmic retrobution 
;-).

So, that'z it!

PLUR!!

Mike... 

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>when you get te cloneing process perfected you will be able to spin on as
>many turntables as you like!!!! (try spinning on 50 turntables
>simultaneously!!!)
>bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com
>(you'll have JEff Mils worshiping you then!!!!)

last year on sfraves there was a party posted with derrick carter and mark
farina doing a tag team set on 20 turntables.  no-one believes me when i
tell them but you can check the sfraves calendar archives and i'm sure
you'll find it somewhere.

and i don't think jeff mills would worship anyone.

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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At 05:16 PM 1/29/97 -0800, Cylert coughed up a hairball and then sAiD:

>Let me know when you get those pictures up.  Also, how
>about the exact address.

Okay, I have a hand full of very *nice* shots out on this url:
http://www.mcs.net/~arduous/release.html

I hope you all enjoy them, I think they are wonderful. :)

m


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trevor *wilson*?

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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From: dow@greenapple.com (Dark Horse), on 1/29/97 10:42 PM:
To: richardp@warwick.net, Clarinet15@aol.com, dp242996@oak.cats.ohiou.edu,
bart@unive.it, mcelebucki@sprintmail.com

>X-Sender: smallekw@email.uc.edu
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:47:17 -0500
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>From: Kirsten Smalley <smallekw@email.uc.edu>
>Subject: Fw: Please send on! (fwd)
>Cc: toatney@greenapple.com, jylee@midway.uchicago.edu, KTHVSMTH@Otterbein.edu,
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>        damon.frazier@ohiou.edu, rc196196@oak.cats.ohiou.edu,
>        dow@greenapple.com
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>>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 21:37:27 -0500 (EST)
>>From: Terrina <albrigtl@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
>>Subject: Fw: Please send on! (fwd)
>>To: brandy landrum <blandrum@capital.EDU>, robyn lenzi <lenzi.fam@juno.COM>,
>>        kirsten smalley <smallekw@email.uc.edu>, crissy <ESTEL123@aol.COM>,
>>        Becca <hammonrc@ucunix.san.uc.edu>,
>>        Marie! <hoetzlma@ucunix.san.uc.edu>,
>>        jacob weller <wellerjd@flyernet.udayton.EDU>,
>>        anya robertson <alr33@columbia.edu>
>>Content-id: <Pine.OSF.3.93.970127173956.27552J@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
>>
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>>
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 17:46:35 -0500 (EST)
>>From: Seth Argabright <sa228595@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
>>To: wastintime@eurekanet.com, davisson@centre.edu,
>>    cuppscj@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu, tiger27@hotmail.com, raul27@hotmail.com,
>>    ryargabright@juno.com, albrigtl@ucunix.san.uc.edu, racharga@juno.com,
>>    cookie@bright.net, wisekev@erinet.com, bobcat@zoomnet.net
>>Subject: Fw: Please send on! (fwd)
>>
>>
>>Just four days until Star Wars: The Special Edition! (premires Friday)
>>http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6278
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:24:24 -0600
>>From: Earl Young <augur@eurekanet.com>
>>To: Traci Michelle Heines <larryh@frognet.net>,
>>    Tiffiani Compan <TFFACMPN@otterbein.edu>,
>>    Seth Argabright <SA228595@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>,
>>    Ryan Sturt <rs97889@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>,
>>    Ryan Buckley <buckley.61@osu.edu>,
>>    Rachael Wilson <crl_0000071@ncocc.ohio.gov>,
>>    Michael Joseph Weeks <ab078@seorf.ohiou.edu>,
>>    Meredith Lynn Crow <rook@eurekanet.com>,
>>    Lisa Marie Stethem <stethem@eurekanet.com>,
>>    Kirk Reed <kreed@citynet.net>,
>>    Jeff Adler <adlerjec@flyernet.udayton.edu>,
>>    Jason Yeary <jyeary@bgnet.bgsu.edu>,
>>    Donald Tardiff Day <dd675296@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>,
>>    Christa Fiscus <fiscusca@email.uc.edu>,
>>    Charlene Dailey <dailey.40@osu.edu>,
>>    Brian Neubauer <bneubaue@top.eng.utoledo.edu>,
>>    Betsy Williamsen <willia_ea@CC.DENISON.EDU>,
>>    Andrew David Wolf <wolf.109@osu.edu>,
>>    Amber Marie Fortney <fortney@eurekanet.com>,
>>    Amber Hunscke <s016alh@discover.wright.edu>
>>Subject: Fw: Please send on!
>>
>>
>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>>>> > LITTLE JESSICA MYDEK IS SEVEN YEARS OLD AND IS SUFFERING FROM
>>AN ACUTE
>>> > >>>>> > AND VERY RARE CASE
>>> > >>>>> > OF CEREBRAL CARCINOMA.  THIS CONDITION CAUSES SEVERE MALIGNANT
>>BRAIN
>>> > >>>>> > TUMORS AND IS A TERMINAL ILLNESS.  THE DOCTORS HAVE GIVEN HER
>>SIX
>>> > >>>>> > MONTHS TO LIVE.
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > AS PART OF HER DYING WISH, SHE WANTED TO START A CHAIN LETTER
>>TO
>>> > >>>>> > INFORM PEOPLE OF THIS CONDITION AND TO SEND PEOPLE THE MESSAGE
>>TO
>>> > >>>>> > LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST AND ENJOY EVERY MOMENT, A CHANCE THAT
>>SHE
>>> > >>>>> > WILL NEVER HAVE.  FURTHERMORE, THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY AND
>>> > >>>>> > SEVERAL CORPORATE SPONSORS HAVE AGREED TO DONATE THREE CENTS
>>TOWARD
>>> > >>>>> > CONTINUING CANCER RESEARCH  FOR EVERY NEW PERSON THAT GETS
>>FORWARDED
>>> > >>>>> > THIS MESSAGE.  PLEASE GIVE JESSICA AND ALL CANCER VICTIMS A
>>CHANCE.
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, SEND THEM TO THE AMERICAN CANCER
>>SOCIETY
>>> > >>>>> > AT ACS@AOL.COM
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>
>>
>




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I would SO MUCH rather go see John Aquaviva on Saturday that Richie
Hawtin.  Can anyone tell me approximate driving time from Detroit (by the
way, I don't live in Detroit--I live in Ann Arbor where the university of
Michigan is) to Cincinnatti?  Where in Ohio is Cincinatti?

I never claimed to be good in geography

--Amy


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Oh no, I just realized John's playing Friday, and not Saturday.  Ugg.  I
have to work.  And for $6!!! this is the kind of shit that makes me want
to cry.  But anyway, how far is it?

--Amy


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No, no, no!!!

Please tell me John Aquaviva isn't changing his style too!!!
To me he's one of the last few dj's I can count on to play a good, HAPPY,
house set that makes me go "WOOOOO!!!!" (sorry to bite off ya, Michael)

What is the world coming to?

--Amy


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so my friend and i just found out that 
we could hook up phat venues for parties
on our school campus (not mammoth Expo 
Center types, but good sized ones). and
that would be real fun for everyone!
its cool because there's like gothic
architecture all over the fucking place,
so it'll be a different experience.

well, n.e.waze all we need to do is write 
up a constitution and come up with a 
name, so that we could be an official student
organisation, which is where all yall peeps 
come in.  we just wanted suggestions for names,
from anyone out there, and i'm sure there are
creative intelligent people who can contribute.
so if you wanna help, e-mail me privately 
( no use wasting precious post space ;) )
and the winner will get a free gift certificate
for milk (or soy for the vegans...)


dan (:


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Im so sorry I didnt get this out sooner.  however, this is a good friend 
of mine's response to the posta while back.

mint


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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 15:15:17 -0500
From: brett a strassner <bastra1@mik.uky.edu>
To: matthew emery hemenway <meheme00@mik.uky.edu>
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Subject: Re: new Daft Punk lp (fwd)

I'm sure we all remember the old "The Bomb" battles at parties:  i.e.   
despite the fact that headliners usually should ideally go on about  
1:00 to 2:00, this became a problem when every DJ wanted to spin "The  
Bomb" without duplicating it from another DJ's set. 

	 Many top-notch DJs' solution?
Play it anyway!  This is how we all got to hear this lovely tune so  
many times at many parties.  "The Bomb" is, of course, but one  
example and can be easily substituted with "Higher State of  
Consciousness" or "Spastic" or whatnot.  The point is that there are  
many points.  (no attempt to be cryptic)
	A talented DJ is adaptive and deals, in his own artistic  
fashion, with developments of the night such as someone snaking his  
favorite track.  Many respectable DJs have begun committing what were  
previously rave no-nos at parties and really don't seem to be harming  
anything as far as progress of the "scene".  (eg.  Cyberjive tends to  
adhere to the set he spins on his latest mix tape, John Acquaviva  
doesn't care if the DJ before him spun two hours of a track- he's  
going to spin it if he feels like spinning it, Terry Mullen likes  
trademark tracks (you know "he ALWAYS plays ______"), and so on and  
so on).  The question we, as partygoers need to ask ourselves is  
this:
	"How are we affected by these changes?"
Well?  Badly?  Truly only time will tell, friends, but I think it is  
fair for us to wait and see what happens.  We can only harm our scene  
by restricting it further and attempting to "weed out" what we  
currently see as undesirable avenues.  I, personally, long for the  
sweeter dispositioned raves of the past and the non-dress coded  
mentalities of our fellow ravers as well (alas the old raves used to  
be veritable masquerades!), yet I am willing to see what this  
cat-out-of-the-bag effect will have on our progress as both a  
community and an art form.  Musically, naturally, we can only improve  
if we grow- all of us know that, and to grow and flourish, we must  
relinquish this close-minded clubhouse ideal of an underground.  

	No, the "underground" aspect of raves will never DISAPPEAR,  
but it will diminish.  Why?  Because they are so cool.  Really.  WHen  
you went to your first rave you thought to yourself, "Self, I am  
going to have to go to more of these."
	The resulting domino effect brings us to our acclimation as  
we stand now.  Everyone wants to go to fabulous parties, right?  Why  
do we feel entitled to be the bouncers at the door of the party of  
the universe?  Because we were there first?  I hope not.  That would  
exclude most Americans entirely.  I think that raves were always  
intended to get around, that's why they are so big!  

	Would you go to a rave that only had three of your closest  
friends there and no one else?  No.  You see, that would not be a  
rave, that would be a get together for you and your friends (and an  
expensive one if you hire the DJs and rent out the warehouse).  Well,  
the underlying problem here is that people are trying to cling to  
this small party  
me-and-my-friends-thought-we-would-gather-in-a-really-big-room-and-lis 
ten-to-a-lot-of-music type of thinking.  This really gets us nowhere  
at all.  

	Why should those of us who have been shunned by the snobby  
cliques or those of us who haven't but prefer to do something else  
anyway turn around and do the same?  I am certainly not preaching a  
feeling of universal brotherhood because, brother, I just don't like  
everyone in this universe.  The point still remains, however, that we  
should benefit from the renegades from these cliques (even if we feel  
that they are cheesy and belong in those cliques) because if they  
have the good sense to get out of the clubhouse, chances are they  
have at least SOMETHING to contribute- even if it's just to be  
another smiling face or energetic dancer.
	We need to remember that raves are parties and that is all.   
The whole idea is to have a good time that will hopefully last until  
you make it to the next, not to be able to say you were there in  
hopes of impressing someone (I mean- so what!?- EVERYONE is invited!)  
or trying to turn into some meeting of the Loyal Order of Ravers.  

It's a party!  It's a party!  It's a party!  I really cannot stress  
that enough!  

	We don't have a council or a president because we are not an  
organization.  We don't (or shouldn't) fault the birthday boy if we  
didn't have fun at his birthday party do we?  I mean, we don't call  
him names and tell everyone not to go to his parties anymore do we?   
Well, we need to remember that a rave is just a birthday bash where  
everyone is having a birthday, or a kegger where everyone is in the  
frat, or a wedding reception where no one got married.  Parties are  
parties, when we try to detour from that ideal we complicate the  
atmosphere and the potential for bad vibes is drastically increased.
	Think back to the last party you didn't like.  Why was that?   
Did you really try?  Yes or no, it really doesn't matter, because you  
now have that much more incentive to love the next one. This effect  
is cumulative.  If it is not for you, well, maybe raving isn't your  
scene after all, but- as for me- I welcome you to try to make it your  
scene for as long as you like because you are in no way going to keep  
me from dancing, sweating, smiling, and yelling to whomever is  
arbitrarily standing next to me that each and every DJ "rocks!" a  
thousand times every night.  Get it?  I'M going to have fun
so- Why be jealous?  Have fun, too.  We can party together or  
separately, it makes no difference to me, but I think you'd like to  
party with me:  I'm a fun guy.
	Spread the love boys and girls.  It's your time and you can  
do with it what you want.  As for me, I'm going to a party, you're  
all invited, and I'm saving a dance for anyone who wants to boogie!
						Brett
						DJ Nightmare 

						   (oni)



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Okay... I've noticed this, and I'm sure alot of you there have noticed it
too. When at a party (especially at in the Chicago Area), why is it that
there's always a large group (okay... maybe not that large) that just stand
there and watch the DJ. All night long they just stand there. Infact, lots of
kids out there don't shake their butts at parties... why? I noticed that at
Home 97. There were alot of people dancing, but on the other hand, there were
alot of people just sitting down or standing watching other people. I
understand some people get tired, but as a DJ... it's a pisser to see people
just standing there (or sitting). Why? Why? Why? You may be watching DJ "X"
and admiring DJ "X" skills. But the best way to show your appreciation is to
shake your stuff. Yell and make some noise for the DJ! 

Just something nu to talk about....

Phil

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Hey, I dunno about you guys, but I like Basketball. Wrestling is fun too....
especially Mexican Wrestling. As for them things called Raves??? I got
nuthing better to do on a weekend. C;'mon... why do people get so serious
about "raves". Theyre for fun and probably just a phase we all go thru. 

Phil
Just talking sh*t.

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I just wanna put my 4 cents...

By the year 2000, WE ARE ALL FUCKED...
or something like that...

The truth is, we all live for the NOW, right or wrong, that's how it goes.


Bla blah blah blah blah!
Phil FreeArt!!

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i'm baaaaack...

like you care. :)

-- 
. . . . . . . . . . . . . --== b echthros ==-- . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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ARTISTS NEEDED for compilation on BREATHING WALLS records...

if you're an unsigned, electronic musician/band/project/whatever, in other
words, if you make electronic music, we want you.  we are currently
putting together our second compilation, as yet untitled.  the basics of
the way it works: you and nine other people give us 75 mins worth of
music, along with $200/project.  we take the $2000 and have as many cd's
pressed as we can afford whilst preserving just a tiny tiny bit for us.
everybody who submitted gets like 50-100 cds, definately 50.  if you
sell all your cd's for $4, you've made double your money back.  PLUS
since we've already made our money and will have this huge quantity of
cd's we aren't likely to get a distibution deal for anytime soon sitting
around, we hjave nothing better to do with them them then send a whole
assload out as promotional thingys.  radio staions, clubs, the works.  and
if we have lots left over, we might just have to do mailorder stuff too, i
dunno.  but the point is your stuff gets out to all these people.

anyway, we think it's a really good deal all around.  we've been on these
comps ourselves when other people put them together.  they allow unheard,
unsigned, unfunded people a chance to be heard on a national level, since
we'll be mailing out like several hundred cds.  and for relatively little
cost.  plus one of the future concepts we're thinking about is having all
our artists remix another one's track or something like that.

as for what style of music we're looking for:  our first comp was
primarily new school industrial, and this one will focus on techno.  what
kind we focus on the most will depend on what kind of submissions we
recieve.  non vocal.  i repeat, non vocal.  (vocal samples are allowed)

acid.  house.  drum and bass.  hardcore.  electro.  breakbeat.  minimal.
to use a few labels.  feel free, of course, to step beyond them.
electronic dance music.

write me at echthros@execpc.com, as i may not be reading all the groups
this gets posted to on a regular basis.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . --== b echthros ==-- . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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>I would SO MUCH rather go see John Aquaviva on Saturday that Richie
>Hawtin.  Can anyone tell me approximate driving time from Detroit (by the
>way, I don't live in Detroit--I live in Ann Arbor where the university of
>Michigan is) to Cincinnatti?  Where in Ohio is Cincinatti?

i bet you're looking at 5-6 hours.  try taking 23 S to toledo and pick up
75 S which will take you all the way to cinti.  but i think it's 4 hours
from toledo to cinti and 1-1.5 from ann arbor to toledo?

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

http://www.angelfire.com/free/mmccusty.html
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michael mccusty wrote:
> 
> trevor *wilson*?



My full name is Trevor Lamont Wilson.   :)
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>Okay... I've noticed this, and I'm sure alot of you there have noticed it
>too. When at a party (especially at in the Chicago Area), why is it that
>there's always a large group (okay... maybe not that large) that just stand
>there and watch the DJ. All night long they just stand there. Infact, lots of
>kids out there don't shake their butts at parties... why?

yes, i completely agree that this is a problem.  if ppl are going to crowd
around the dj to watch, they should at least dance, scream, wave their
hands, and carry on in a similar fashion.

if i was the dj i would be telling people to dance or asking them why they
weren't.  i think someone posted after scott hardkiss played in st louis
for *fun! fun! fun!* last year(cylert?  yes i think it was you), and he
made a little sign that said "TURN AROUND AND DANCE" and put it in front of
the tables....hee hee :)

take two of these and thank me in the morning,
michael
allroy

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okay.okay.okay.
I was just watching mtv, and I saw Prodigy playing at MTV's fashionably
loud...
The people in the front were...moshing?
I guess that I just wasn't expecting this to ever happen, but oh well.
sorry to waste everyones time, if you actually are reading this, I know that
it is a 
topic that has been discussed many times before  I don't know maybe I am
going crazy...hence the name ;) anyway, i am babbling again, so I will leave

Lisa

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I'm not sure if it's the same one but I'm sure it is...If you look
closely in the background you'll some of our vrave counterparts in that
show...I can't remember all of who was there but I know Chris Green and
Mattie from NY were both on it and they had a ball...I think Chris told
me that they were all in the bleachers or something.  I dont have cable
(waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!) so I dont know.  That's all!

Luce

CrazyGrrl9@aol.com wrote:
> 
> okay.okay.okay.
> I was just watching mtv, and I saw Prodigy playing at MTV's fashionably
> loud...
> The people in the front were...moshing?
> I guess that I just wasn't expecting this to ever happen, but oh well.
> sorry to waste everyones time, if you actually are reading this, I know that
> it is a
> topic that has been discussed many times before  I don't know maybe I am
> going crazy...hence the name ;) anyway, i am babbling again, so I will leave
> 
> Lisa

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>From Detroit to Cincinnati is approximately 5 hours from where I live to
almost the border if you drive apporx 70-75 mph. The party is $6, and I
have crash space if anyone wants it... =) Cincinnati Is in southwestern,
Ohio where Ky, In, and Ohio meet. 

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On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Amy Rene Rickets wrote:

> I would SO MUCH rather go see John Aquaviva on Saturday that Richie
> Hawtin.  Can anyone tell me approximate driving time from Detroit (by the
> way, I don't live in Detroit--I live in Ann Arbor where the university of
> Michigan is) to Cincinnatti?  Where in Ohio is Cincinatti?
> 
> I never claimed to be good in geography
> 
> --Amy
> 


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>Please tell me John Aquaviva isn't changing his style too!!!
>To me he's one of the last few dj's I can count on to play a good, HAPPY,
>house set that makes me go "WOOOOO!!!!" (sorry to bite off ya, Michael)

John Aquaviva spun last night (Wednesday) at a club here in Austin. He
played a lot of house and techno, some german trance, and straight up club
songs thrown in every few mixes (He even played that 'Everything is Going to
the Beat' song. ugh...) It was an interesting set, good mixing, but not an
overly impressive track selection. I was expecting to hear a full two hours
of the cream-o-the-crop, but he seemed to be tailoring his set around a club
crowd. I'd still reccomend seeing him, but don't go expecting to be blown away.



                                       ::: 
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I apologize if I repeat anything that's already been said, I've just
re-subscribed to the list after 5 weeks. During that time I've been
working in marketing at Astralwerks, and in doing so have gained a bit of
an 'insider' view on the current media 'electronica' hype. I've learned
how Astralwerks approaches the commercialization of techno/etc, and
basically what the music industry thinks in completely commercial terms.

The following is a forward of a message I posted to 313 which mostly sums
up what the industry thinks about this, and a little bit of my own
predictions. Having worked in the industry for a while I've seen a
completely different perspective on the perennial fight over underground
vs. commercial. While we, who care only about the music want whatever will
keep the music best, the businesses, even such good labels as Astralwerks
are concerned primarily with the bottom line. The people there know good
music, and want to put out quality underground techn/ambient/whatever. But
trying to make a living in this business they really have to be concerned
mainly with making a profit. And they are ecstatic about the Chemical
Brothers (100,00 copies of Exit Planet Dust SoundScanned, and 40,000 of
Setting Sun). They're putting out a lot of complete pop/commercial crap
that I would barely consider techno, but they're still putting out a lot
of great music - it just happens that the good stuff is commercially
successful stuff like FSOL and Spactime Continuum.

Well anyway, here's the forward:

> >Anyone want to jump in on this messy issue?!

Well, I've been reading some music industry magazines at Astralwerks,
where I've been working for the month. While I didn't read any
exclusive articles on the 'electronica' trend, the basic ideas was that
the music industry is bored with alternative rock, etc and wants something
new. However they said that the problems with the electronic acts that so
many labels are trying to sign is that they need an 'act' or an 'image'. 
These magazines mostly approached these topics from a business point of
view, and they said that their predictions were that electronic/dance acts
would be the biggest imports from the UK, but there was really no optimism
from US acts.

My opinion - it could 'break' this year, but I doubt it. I know lots of
people generally into alternative rock who say they are starting to listen
to electronica/techno, but the electronic acts they like are generally
limited to the Chemical Bros, Underworld, LTJ Bukem, and trip-hop/jungle
such as Tricky or Goldie. I think people like the Chems and Prodigy, who
are willing to do vocals and create an 'image' or 'style' for themselves
will be accepted in the mainstream, though won't acheive huge commercial
success, but I wouldn't be surprised if 'purist' techno was driven even
further underground, because I don't think the masses could stomach that.
What most people really want is electronic pop, which is what I consider
most of the current popular electronic acts to be, I probably wouldn't
classify them as 'techno', as per my definition of techno.

Astralwerks is working really hard to break their music, and they are
succeeding quite well with FSOL, Chemicals, and Spacetime Continuum. Which
in my opinion (other than the Chems) is all quality music. We'll have to
see what happens, I think the media frenzy will withing a few months, and
I think the major labels will try to transform any acts they sign to such
'pseudo-techno' as La Bouch or Technotronic. We'll have to see; at least
here in NYC, various kinds of electronica and related music are becoming
quite trendy, especially jungle and break-related styles.

Eric




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> > I was just watching mtv, and I saw Prodigy playing at MTV's fashionably
> > loud...
> > The people in the front were...moshing?

wow, what if... when techno becomes the next grunge, mosh pits become 
the officially sanctioned style of dancing to "rave music." Imagine 
that, Tommy Hilfiger shreds flying in the air under a swarm of 
Milwaukee's Best and special k, chains wallets being used as weapons 
( i mean, wasn't that one of the original intentions?)
bloody noses
concussions
 bare tattooed breasts
 black t-shirts
DBN parties with skinheads as security
standard 300-man SWAT teams

oooo, baby, won't that be a vibe!!!!! 

;P
currently designing the newest steel-toed airwalks and chain-mail phatpants,

blender
purveyor of death metal!





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Kimm said:
>The muppets you see in your trip aren't real...

WHAT???????  How dare you!!!  I'll have you know that the muppets *I* see
on *my* trips are very real.  They laugh, they cry, they keep me company
when I'm feeling blue, they help me wipe my, er, never mind that last
one...  In fact, just yesterday, one of them talked me out of shaving my
head with a broken bottle.  And you're telling me these cutsie fuzzy wuzzy
muppets AREN'T REAL???  Ha... ;)

Okay, okay, so just to make this post somewhat relevant to raving, I'll...
nah, never mind...   :>

      Randy
       a d
        n           "I don't suffer from insanity,
       a d           I enjoy every minute of it!"
      Randy

On now:  Mars Needs Women, by Doof, TIP Orange compilation
Up next: Tuva Butt-Whistling, by Hion.  ;>



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hello all you gruvers,
	
	i am contemplating going to this party, but have no way of 
getting there.  so if any kind soul is willing to give someone a ride 
from ann arbor, i'd be forever grateful.  thanks

peace
peter m	

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On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Merrick Brown wrote:

> >Please tell me John Aquaviva isn't changing his style too!!!
> >To me he's one of the last few dj's I can count on to play a good, HAPPY,
> >house set that makes me go "WOOOOO!!!!" (sorry to bite off ya, Michael)
> 
> John Aquaviva spun last night (Wednesday) at a club here in Austin. He
> played a lot of house and techno, some german trance, and straight up club
> songs thrown in every few mixes (He even played that 'Everything is Going to
> the Beat' song. ugh...) It was an interesting set, good mixing, but not an
> overly impressive track selection. I was expecting to hear a full two hours
> of the cream-o-the-crop, but he seemed to be tailoring his set around a club
> crowd. I'd still reccomend seeing him, but don't go expecting to be blown away.

John has amazing dj skills, but has critical flaw, he likes disco-house
and clubby stuff (he is primarily a club dj not a party dj.)  Musically,
he plays tons of old stuff, that just his style.

tim



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Well, isn't that what raving is all about?

m

P.S. Yes, I am sick of the stupid GOOD TIMES thing, too! Thought we might
have a little fun with it...

*hugz*


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Hey DLP,
  thanks for your concern about alla us non (and former) Detroiters...

At 01:49 PM 1/29/97 -0500, Diana Lynn Potts wrote:
>   all this talk about ppl traveling hours and hours for fridays party has me
>real nervous.

Let's clear this up shall we? As far as I know TRIP ONE is on Saturday
02.01.97, which comes second hand from somebody who had better be there on
the right day... if not there is a lot of mis-information going around,
Please clarify

>    BE FOR WARNED that the rumor mill has it that this is going to be at a
>small venue (ive heard Alvins). this place is terribly small with a bar
>atmosphere. ive also heard its going to end kinda early. i can see it now
100s

I will add that Alvin's has near perfect acoustics AND there should be
something going on afterwards in Detroit, even if it's just a red door
party (those are still going on aren't they?)

>     the weather for the weekend is calling for snow showers and highs in the
>lows 30s, id hate to see ppl risking thier lives in a car to get to
detroit, we
>want you to be able to come back!.

Stay warm everybody and bring a cell phone, if u have access to one (just
in case)...

m


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 John Acquaviva  
>doesn't care if the DJ before him spun two hours of a track- he's  
>going to spin it if he feels like spinning it, 

I once heard Hyperactive spin "Rollin and Scratchin'" twice in an hour
set.....

adam

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On Thu, 30 Jan 1997 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> Okay... I've noticed this, and I'm sure alot of you there have noticed it
> too. When at a party (especially at in the Chicago Area), why is it that
> there's always a large group (okay... maybe not that large) that just stand
> there and watch the DJ. All night long they just stand there. Infact, lots of
> kids out there don't shake their butts at parties... why? I noticed that at
> Home 97. There were alot of people dancing, but on the other hand, there were
> alot of people just sitting down or standing watching other people. I
> understand some people get tired, but as a DJ... it's a pisser to see people
> just standing there (or sitting). Why? Why? Why? You may be watching DJ "X"
> and admiring DJ "X" skills. But the best way to show your appreciation is to
> shake your stuff. Yell and make some noise for the DJ! 
> 
Why people are just standing or sitting? :) maybe some don't know how to
dance or are having a good time watching the dj and is impressed by his
music he/she cant even dance.  I LOVE watching dj's spin...
when i was at home'96 the first dj that came on all i was doing was
standing
next to the speaker and watching the lights and i was flat out sober.....

but i was having a good time!

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com
Or maybe people are dancing in their minds and projecting energy to the
party...
 
> Just
something nu to talk about.... > 
> Phil
> 


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On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Boy Wonder wrote:

> 
> hello all you gruvers,
> 	
> 	i am contemplating going to this party, but have no way of 
> getting there.  so if any kind soul is willing to give someone a ride 
> from ann arbor, i'd be forever grateful.  thanks
> 
> peace
> peter m	
> 
	Hey kids, me and about a dozen others here in A2 are in trapped in
the same dillemma. If anyone can find a miracle ride, I'd love them
forever. Peace, Jon. 


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On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, blender wrote:

> > > I was just watching mtv, and I saw Prodigy playing at MTV's fashionably
> > > loud...
> > > The people in the front were...moshing?
> 
> wow, what if... when techno becomes the next grunge, mosh pits become 
> the officially sanctioned style of dancing to "rave music." Imagine 
> that, Tommy Hilfiger shreds flying in the air under a swarm of 
> Milwaukee's Best and special k, chains wallets being used as weapons 
> ( i mean, wasn't that one of the original intentions?)
> bloody noses
> concussions
>  bare tattooed breasts
>  black t-shirts
> DBN parties with skinheads as security
> standard 300-man SWAT teams
> 
If THIS ever happens you will *NEVER* see me trying to dance at a rave...

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com

> oooo, baby, won't that be a vibe!!!!! 
> 
> ;P
> currently designing the newest steel-toed airwalks and chain-mail phatpants,
> 
> blender
> purveyor of death metal!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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On Thu, 30 Jan 1997 CrazyGrrl9@aol.com wrote:

> okay.okay.okay.
> I was just watching mtv, and I saw Prodigy playing at MTV's fashionably
> loud...
> The people in the front were...moshing?

i just hope that the fashion being showcased wasn't that of the bozo-on- 
crack nutter, keith...aka the firestarter;)

tho im sure someone like jean-paul gaultier would love to have a chat 
about wardrobe choices and personal hygine issues with him.

alright enuff closet fashion buff babbling.

cheers,
dylan
dkny rules.

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At 02:35 AM 1/30/97 -0500, PHILFART@aol.com wrote:
>Hey, I dunno about you guys, but I like Basketball. Wrestling is fun too....
>especially Mexican Wrestling. As for them things called Raves??? I got
>nuthing better to do on a weekend. C;'mon... why do people get so serious
>about "raves". Theyre for fun and probably just a phase we all go thru. 

Phil, haven't you been raving for, like, 10 years now?
Pretty long phase. ;)

m


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I know, I said I'd shut up for a while, but work is so boring and I
couldn't resist commenting on this one...

BTW, my real name is... Sir Arduous "matter the enforcer" Nucleus, the most
difficult molecule known to science and extremely volatile, especially when
mixed with music, Senior, the 4th, esquire... Just in case you didn't
recognize me... ;)

At 07:53 AM 1/30/97 -0500, michael mccusty wrote:
>yes, i completely agree that this is a problem.  if ppl are going to crowd
>around the dj to watch, they should at least dance, scream, wave their
>hands, and carry on in a similar fashion.

How about just smiling and pretending to have a good time? It would be a
good start... ;) I guess that I still scream and dance around while scoping
the DJ booth. If the DJ is kewl, they may acutally make eye contact with me
and we might even possibly crack a smile... Usually, there is some pompous
ass, standing around looking at me like I'm crazy, while he sits there and
picks his nose.

>if i was the dj i would be telling people to dance or asking them why they
>weren't.  i think someone posted after scott hardkiss played in st louis
>for *fun! fun! fun!* last year(cylert?  yes i think it was you), and he
>made a little sign that said "TURN AROUND AND DANCE" and put it in front of
>the tables....hee hee :)

That's pretty good for a guy who spins with his pants down. ;>

Honestly, I say let them stand around the DJs and watch and learn and the
like, but when 85% of the people are standing or sitting, nowhere near the
DJs, I would say it's beginning to be a bit of a problem....

m


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The first in a new series of events from Plastik Produkt and +8 is:

	                                   dj hell + plus 8 guests
                                           saturday, february 1st, 1997
                                           detroit, michigan, usa
                                           810.772.2423

PP members will get preferred entry, and it is free for them as well.

This event will also be netcast via RealAudio at around 9pm.
See http://www.plus8.com for details at that time.

If you have membership questions, send mail to matthew@plus8.com
Questions on how to set up RealAudio Player 3.0 go to tosh@plus8.com


				Thanks, all @ PP and +8

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in case anyone actally noticed my absence, i am now back from my li'l
excursion to london/paris/amsterdam. i was havin' it (pardon my leftover
english-english) especially in london. clubbing, shopping for rekkids,
clothes, music gears, etc. it was, needless to say, fun. 
chris and i are going to down to porcupine rocketship this weekend..so
see y'all there :> i will probably be wearing my newly acquired shirt
with the dj at work sign on the back :> hell yeah...
til then,
john/dove

ps - my comp is dead again, quantize! (my damn zine) will be postponed
     yet again...damn me to hell.
pps - some cd's i got abroad:
      daft punk's homework - hell yeah...excellent debut album.
      world dance: dj hype & ellis dee - hype's disc is to die for..as 
                                         good as *gulps* phantom 45!!!
                                         (sorry, brian, you are still god)
      eddie folwkes' black technosoul - a little old but damn good!
      carl cox's f.a.c.t - kinda suck, actually...i dont think he's as
                           good as pple say..
      laurent garnier's lab mix - pretty darn good listening experience
      delta nine's disco inferno - hard..noise..f words..yeah!!
      and many more...lets just say i dont wanna know my credit card bill


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ok, it was a typo ppl, the party is saturday not friday, sorry.

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  > PLEASE POST!!!   DIS VIRUS MEANIN' ONE BAAAD MUTHA!
  > Dere be a clunker virus dat be bein' sent across de Internet.
  > If ya' receive an email message wid de subject line "GOOD TIMES",
  > DO NOT eyeball de message, DELETE it immediately. Slap mah fro!
  > 
  > PLEASE READ THE MESSAGE BELOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  > 
  > Some miscreant be  t'rowin'  email unda' de title "Good Times"
  > nashunwide, if ya' git anydin' likes dis, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE!
  > 
  > It gots'ta some virus dat rescribbles yo' hard roll, obliteratin' anydin' it.
  > Please be careful and fo'ward dis mail t'anyone ya' care about.  De
  > FCC released some warnin' last Wednesday concernin' some matta' of majo'
  > impo'tance t'any regular usa'  uh de Internet. Apparently some new
  > clunker virus gots'ta been engineered by some usa' of AMERICA ON LINE dat is
  > unparalleled in its destructive capability. Slap mah fro! Oda' mo'e sheeit-knode
  > viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in
  > comparison t'de prospects uh dis newest creashun by some warped
  > mentality. Slap mah fro! What makes dis virus so's terrifyin', said da damn FCC, be de
  > fact dat no  honky code needs t'be 'shanged fo' some new clunker t'be
  > infected. It kin be spread drough de 'esistin' email systems uh de
  > Internet.
  > 
  > Once some Computa' is infected, one uh  several wahtahmelluns kin  happen. 'S coo', bruh.  If de
  > clunker contains some hard roll, dat  gots'ta most likesly be destroyed. If
  > de  honky code be not stopped, de clunker's processo' gots'ta be placed in
  > an nd-complexity infinite binary loop -which kin severely damage de
  > processo'  if left runnin' dat way too long.  Unfo'tunately, most
  > novice clunker users gots'ta not realize whut be happenin' until it be far
  > too late. What it is, Mama! Luckily, dere be one sho' nuff means uh detectin' whut be now
  > knode as de "Good Times" virus. It always travels t'new clunkers de
  > same way in some text email message wid de subject line eyeballin' "Good
  > Times". Avoidin' infecshun be easy once da damn  stash gots'ta been received
  > simply by NOT READING IT! De act uh loadin' de  stash into de mail
  > server's ASCII buffa' causes de "Good Times" mainline  honky code to
  > initialize and 'esecute. What it is, Mama!
  > 
  > De  honky code be highly intelligent - it gots'ta   t'row copies uh itself to
  > everyone whose email address be contained in some receive-mail  stash o' a
  > sent-mail  stash, if it kin find one. What it is, Mama! It gots'ta den proceed t'trash de
  > clunker it be runnin' on. 'S coo', bruh.
  > 
  > De bottom line is, dig dis: - if ya' receive some  stash wid de subject line "Good
  > Times", delete it  immediately! Do not eyeball it"  Rest assured dat
  > whoever's dojigger wuz on de  "From" line wuz surely struck by de virus.
  > Warn yo' homeys and local system users uh dis newest dreat t'de
  > Internet! It could save dem some lot uh time and bre'd.
  > 
  > Could ya' pass dis along t'yo' global mailin' list as sheeit?
  > 
  
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> John has amazing dj skills, but has critical flaw, he likes disco-house
> and clubby stuff (he is primarily a club dj not a party dj.)  Musically,
> he plays tons of old stuff, that just his style.


liking disco-house is a critical flaw??? oh no!! come on, it's not the 
BEST music, but damn.....sure is fun. :) :)  put's a smile on yer 
face.....:) makes ya dance....that's what counts. :)



milkshake 

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hello to everyone on the list.  i've been wanting to get for the
longest time, but i forgot my e-mail password at school and was not
able to get e-mail access. so here i am.

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Subject: STAR WARS 1.31.97  st. cloud, mn usa
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here's the lowdown on the showdown-

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

the cloud city tranceformers present:
 
	STAR WARS
   episode IV: A New Hope

         1/31/97

     st. cloud, mn usa


A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away... a crazy raver named mark decided to have a
star wars party to celebrate the return of the best movie ever made (well.. empire is a
little better.. but that's coming in feb.).. so here's the details
 
Tickets go on sale: 4:00pm
first movie showing: 4:30pm
 
if you can't make the first showing.. there is another at 7:30pm.. but good luck getting
tickets..  
 
special preparty before the first show (we have durban poison)... ;) 
the tables are set up in my room.. so if you wanna come.....

we have dj's:
 
<mark_lancaster> - spinning a special acid set (i'll wear my chewabacca shirt)
			- featuring the disco moog remixes of the star wars themes
                          and other weird stuff.

       dj shaggy - c.c.t. househead (hey Sal, do you want to spin?)
		
 knuckle sam'ich - just kidding.. nic joined the Marines for some reason.
 
also:
 
special afterparty featuring THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK on our boomming surround-sound
system.. prolly RETURN OF THE JEDI too.. shit.. we'll probably wath NINJA SCROLL after 
that.. .why not?  
if you wanna come.. email me
-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* 
 
yeah.. i'm a phreak.. i know.
i learned how the use the force though.
look out.
mark ;)
 
25 hours, 45 minutes, 35 seconds until . ..  .

	


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SORRY ABOUT THE POST!!!!   All intentions were good.....Thanks again to
those kind enough to e-mail me dprivately:)

adam


At 03:09 PM 1/30/97 -0500, Do not put toaster past 6--it will burn. wrote:
>
>  > PLEASE POST!!!   DIS VIRUS MEANIN' ONE BAAAD MUTHA!
>  > Dere be a clunker virus dat be bein' sent across de Internet.
>  > If ya' receive an email message wid de subject line "GOOD TIMES",
>  > DO NOT eyeball de message, DELETE it immediately. Slap mah fro!
>  > 
>  > PLEASE READ THE MESSAGE BELOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>  > 
>  > Some miscreant be  t'rowin'  email unda' de title "Good Times"
>  > nashunwide, if ya' git anydin' likes dis, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE!
>  > 
>  > It gots'ta some virus dat rescribbles yo' hard roll, obliteratin'
anydin' it.
>  > Please be careful and fo'ward dis mail t'anyone ya' care about.  De
>  > FCC released some warnin' last Wednesday concernin' some matta' of majo'
>  > impo'tance t'any regular usa'  uh de Internet. Apparently some new
>  > clunker virus gots'ta been engineered by some usa' of AMERICA ON LINE
dat is
>  > unparalleled in its destructive capability. Slap mah fro! Oda' mo'e
sheeit-knode
>  > viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in
>  > comparison t'de prospects uh dis newest creashun by some warped
>  > mentality. Slap mah fro! What makes dis virus so's terrifyin', said da
damn FCC, be de
>  > fact dat no  honky code needs t'be 'shanged fo' some new clunker t'be
>  > infected. It kin be spread drough de 'esistin' email systems uh de
>  > Internet.
>  > 
>  > Once some Computa' is infected, one uh  several wahtahmelluns kin
happen. 'S coo', bruh.  If de
>  > clunker contains some hard roll, dat  gots'ta most likesly be
destroyed. If
>  > de  honky code be not stopped, de clunker's processo' gots'ta be
placed in
>  > an nd-complexity infinite binary loop -which kin severely damage de
>  > processo'  if left runnin' dat way too long.  Unfo'tunately, most
>  > novice clunker users gots'ta not realize whut be happenin' until it be
far
>  > too late. What it is, Mama! Luckily, dere be one sho' nuff means uh
detectin' whut be now
>  > knode as de "Good Times" virus. It always travels t'new clunkers de
>  > same way in some text email message wid de subject line eyeballin' "Good
>  > Times". Avoidin' infecshun be easy once da damn  stash gots'ta been
received
>  > simply by NOT READING IT! De act uh loadin' de  stash into de mail
>  > server's ASCII buffa' causes de "Good Times" mainline  honky code to
>  > initialize and 'esecute. What it is, Mama!
>  > 
>  > De  honky code be highly intelligent - it gots'ta   t'row copies uh
itself to
>  > everyone whose email address be contained in some receive-mail  stash
o' a
>  > sent-mail  stash, if it kin find one. What it is, Mama! It gots'ta den
proceed t'trash de
>  > clunker it be runnin' on. 'S coo', bruh.
>  > 
>  > De bottom line is, dig dis: - if ya' receive some  stash wid de
subject line "Good
>  > Times", delete it  immediately! Do not eyeball it"  Rest assured dat
>  > whoever's dojigger wuz on de  "From" line wuz surely struck by de virus.
>  > Warn yo' homeys and local system users uh dis newest dreat t'de
>  > Internet! It could save dem some lot uh time and bre'd.
>  > 
>  > Could ya' pass dis along t'yo' global mailin' list as sheeit?
>  > 
>  
>-----------------
>
>********IMPORTANT******* 
>PLEASE SEND TO PEOPLE YOU CARE ABOUT OR JUST PEOPLE ONLINE
>-----------------
>
>
>
>
>

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Hey folks, 

I just got a message from Matthew Hawtin ( I didn't know he was on this
list, how weird) telling me that RICHIE IS NOT PLAYING AT THIS SATURDAY'S
PARTY.  Maybe I was the only one who was confused, but for those of you
who are planning on driving to the D just to see Richie, you might want to
rethink your plans....

Thought you might wanna know, 

Amy


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I can't beleive you think disco-house is John's flaw!!!

It's the main reason I love him so much!!!!!

Disco lives,
--Amy


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On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Jonathan G Yeasting wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Boy Wonder wrote:
> 
> > 
> > hello all you gruvers,
> > 	
> > 	i am contemplating going to this party, but have no way of 
> > getting there.  so if any kind soul is willing to give someone a ride 
> > from ann arbor, i'd be forever grateful.  thanks
> > 
> > peace
> > peter m	
> > 
> 	Hey kids, me and about a dozen others here in A2 are in trapped in
> the same dillemma. If anyone can find a miracle ride, I'd love them
> forever. Peace, Jon. 
> 
> 
Youre going to th ink i'm nuttz but astral projection DOES WORK!!!!
yesterday morning when i woke up i projected myself to trip one(the plus8
party in detroit this weekend)..

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com
Vote for Pro-Cloning



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From: James Clar <nowhere@globaldialog.com>
Subject: Re: DJ's get little respect??
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At 12:48 PM 1/30/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Why people are just standing or sitting? :) maybe some don't know how to
>dance or are having a good time watching the dj and is impressed by his
>music he/she cant even dance.  I LOVE watching dj's spin...
>when i was at home'96 the first dj that came on all i was doing was
>standing
>next to the speaker and watching the lights and i was flat out sober.....
>
>but i was having a good time!
>

I agree. Although I love to dance, I can't keep it up all the whole time i'm
at a party, and the next best thing to do is watch a dj spin. I love to
watch their style and see how into their music they are. I love to feed off
the energy from the music and from the dj. When I go to a party and the
music is great, but the djs all crabby 'en shit, it kinda takes away from
the vibe the Dj presents. To me I think it's like 78% music, 22% Dj energy
that gets me going. Plus, I think it's kinda flattering when their are some
people just staring in awe when you're spinning;) Although to move asses is
even better :D

peace,

james clar 


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From: Kevin Koch <bluerazz@wspice.com>
To: Amy Rene Rickets <shmicks@umich.edu>
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On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Amy Rene Rickets wrote:

> Hey folks, 
> 
> I just got a message from Matthew Hawtin ( I didn't know he was on this
> list, how weird) telling me that RICHIE IS NOT PLAYING AT THIS SATURDAY'S
> PARTY.  Maybe I was the only one who was confused, but for those of you
> who are planning on driving to the D just to see Richie, you might want to
> rethink your plans....
> 
> Thought you might wanna know, 
> 
> Amy
> 
> 

Is matthew hawtin spinning instead of richie? if so i think i may wanna go
now :) (I Luv u mattt!!)

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com



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>COLIN! =)
>
> Good to have you back sweetie. =) Umm, Dan Efex sometimes pretends he's a
>list member, so you may get in contact with him now.... =) Or I think I
>have his email addy laying around if you wanna email me privately...
>
>
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>   `-----------------------> http://www.one.net <-------------------------'
>
>On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 bossen_c@cc.denison.edu wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know how to get a hold of Dan Efex, Chad Mindrive or DRC.
>>
>> Sorry for the waste of bandwidth.
>>
>> coLin
>>
Chad is the only Erotishock member left in Madison, so I'm not sure if
their voicemail is active....but you can give it a shot.(608)258-0003


jesse



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Ok guys, I am so fucking exciting about this weekend I cannot even tell
you!!  I just got off the phone w/ Megan/Princess and tomorrow we're heading
for Revive in the Quad Cities and then pressing on to Rockford for Porqupine
Rockectship on Sat.!!  *dances*  If any of you all are going to the QC
party, look for a chic in engineer striped overalls and a red Peabody
hat....the hat will give it away!  Dunno about what I'll be wearing at PR,
but again look for the hat.  Dood, I"m so excited!  Hope to see some of you
there!

Your humble narrator,

 0/
<:         Koog
/ >       

"Byron, Illinois, home of the Turkey Testicle Festival."


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On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Amy Rene Rickets wrote:

> I can't beleive you think disco-house is John's flaw!!!
> 
> It's the main reason I love him so much!!!!!
> 
> Disco lives,
> --Amy
> 
> 
I was responding to someone's post stating his disappointment in a John
Acquaviva set which left him desiring something more.  As I stated
earlier, John has incredible skills, however, his preferred music choice
often does not go over well at parties because it is too disco-y and
clubby.  The crowd reaction ofter depends on John's set time, ie. he will
get a better response at 7am than at 1am.

tim



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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 19:32:07 -0500
From: ~Jazhednada~ <jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu>
Subject: I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger and hard trance today.
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>stuff.  Then came the trance, and it got harder and harder, with short 
>breaks between a lot of it (you can see, his style changed entirely every
...
>Hard?"  We all yelled hard, and even tho I don't particularily dig 
>hardcore, when you have primed the crowd with hardtrance, it makes for a 
>perfect transission.  Never thought I'd say it, but his hard set was 
>slamming, fucking excellent with all 50 of us out on the floor :)

Im goin tammara and this puts a big FRIGGIN SMILE on my face!!!!!!!!

                           BANGIN!

And sketti at Beckys?

That is some...           EATIN!

And Star Wars on Saturday then Urban Warriors?

I might die on sunday morning and felt I have lived
 a full life due to this weekend alone. (knock on wood)

Bearcats gonna beat tha tar outta tha Cardinals tonight!

 currently hypocritical...       -Hike  
   _________________________________________________
  /     Jason C. Heikenfeld  jheikenf@ddt.eng.uc.edu
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/       http://www.eng.uc.edu/~jheikenf/index.html

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Subject: Re: John Acquiviva in Cincinnati on Friday???
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my guess, knowing the guyus who own/operate this place is that you won't
get id'ed for age at the door...


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On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Matthew Carl Joffe wrote:

> If this is true, could someone give me an age thing on this place.  How old you
> have to be to get in a shit.  It's not for me, but a friend.
> 
> 
> >
> > Hey kids!
> >
> >  I was driving past this place this mornin on my way to work, where a new
> > "techo/rave" club is supposed to open on Friday. On the sign outside the
> > club, it said something about John Acquiviva playing there on Friday
> > night, which is opening nite? Now, I'm not sure about this, does anyone
> > have any info, or have ANY idea if John is booked to play somewhere else
> > that nite? If he's not, and he _IS_ playing there, this place is right up
> > the stret from where I live. If any of you were to come down for this
> > shindig, or any Cincy kids are gonna go, we could have a pre-party at our
> > place... =) Let me know!
> >
> >
> >    .--> O  n  e  N  e  t      C  o  m  m  u  n  i  c  a  t  i  o  n  s <--.
> 
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> >    |                          Customer Service                            |
> >    `-----------------------> http://www.one.net <-------------------------'
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --
> joff
> "Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to
> embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty"
> -- Albert Einstein
> 


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> 
> And sketti at Beckys?
> 
> That is some...           EATIN!
 
 IT SURE IS! I'd be GLAD to make everyone sketti... =) And if ANYONE wants
to come over before the partay, let me know tomorrow! My number is
513-721-0430. I prolly won't be home until tomorrow afternoon, becuase
tomorrow morning, I'm dropping my mother and father in-law at the airport,
and then am going to go pick up our new Car!! =) Leave a message and I'll
call back. I'll also post direx to my apartment if anyone wants me to as
well... We can hangout here, and then possibly all walk up to the party
together. =)

> 
> And Star Wars on Saturday then Urban Warriors?

 we'll do Star Wars with you Jason... I'll call you tamarra.... =)
> 
> I might die on sunday morning and felt I have lived
>  a full life due to this weekend alone. (knock on wood)
> 
 I've had weekends like that...

> Bearcats gonna beat tha tar outta tha Cardinals tonight!
> 

 Go Cats!

-Becky =)


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Revive happens TONITE
in the Quad Cities
at the corner of 4th and Scott
in downtown Davenport

Here's how to get there:

Take I-80 to DAVENPORT, IOWA.  Once in Davenport, take the Brady Street exit
(also known as Highway 61 South.)  Stay on 61 S as it enters Davenport.  Go
for a few miles - you'll pass a mall, some residential, a park or two, just
stay on 61 S.  Eventually, you'll go down a big hill.  At the bottom of the
hill, you'll go underneath a railroad bridge and you'll hit a stoplite.
This is 4th Street - turn RIGHT.  Two blocks ahead on your left is the space
- at the corner of 4th and Scott.

Doors open at 9pm
Use the 4th Street Entrance
All DJ's confirmed as reads below

peace/see you there
OX4 Exstasis QC
309-757-5323 voicemail

>Friday 1.31.97
>
>QUAD CITIES
>
>the return of EXSTASIS promotions
>
>R E V I V E
>
>with your dj's for the evening:
>
>MIKE DEARBORN  -  Chicago 
>JEFREE DEE - Milwaukee
>CMC - Chicago/Exstasis
>TYSON HOWELL - Quad Cities 
>SPINTELLIGENT - Quad Cities
>JOSH BARNES - Quad Cities
>K-LIB - Quad Cities
 TONY GIOVANNI - Quad Cities/Exstasis
>
>It's been 6 months.... we are BACK.
>
>3 0 9 . 7 5 7 . 5 3 2 3 





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Just for those who care...
I got a web-page-thingy.

http://members.aol.com/PHILFART/fart.html

I know the image on that page will be disturbing to some. She's only
temporary... until I get some other goofy stuff. I'm kinda nu at doing it so
please forgive me.

Phil... just messing around..

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well, DJ Hell is also playing this party, and according to what he told 
me last week, Richie is playing.  Maybe plans are changed tho.

On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Amy Rene Rickets wrote:

> Hey folks, 
> 
> I just got a message from Matthew Hawtin ( I didn't know he was on this
> list, how weird) telling me that RICHIE IS NOT PLAYING AT THIS SATURDAY'S
> PARTY.  Maybe I was the only one who was confused, but for those of you
> who are planning on driving to the D just to see Richie, you might want to
> rethink your plans....
> 
> Thought you might wanna know, 
> 
> Amy
> 
> 

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ok, I can understand ppl not enjoying a huge crowd hovering around the 
tables.  I'd rather dance 95% of the time - unless of course it's 
Cylert...with his pants around his ankles.....*Then* I'm stood still:)

lisa 

(yeah, forgive me - looka the hour)

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On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Toymachine wrote:

> Okay, I heard something which I need to have verified cuz I don't really
> believe it.  Someone told me that John Acquaviva is coming to Heresy
> (Lexington, KY) sometime in February????  Uh...(completely lost), does
> anyone have any comment on that or know any 411?
> peace out
> Allyson

This party got cancelled.  They are now trying to schedule a party in April.

Stay tuned for details...

...and Ally! give me a call!

*~cosmic~~~ 

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> I will add that Alvin's has near perfect acoustics AND there should be
> something going on afterwards in Detroit, even if it's just a red door
> party (those are still going on aren't they?)

Not sure about Detroit, but there's an afterhours called EROS opening in 
Windsor on Saturday February 1 featuring Alton Miller, Mike Huckaby, Luc 
Raymond (Montreal), and two of Windsor's finest, Brainstorm and Mr. 
Liam... it's at 20 Chatham St. E. in downtown Windsor, just a couple 
streets from the tunnel and should definitely be worth checking out... if 
you need more info/details, reply privately... take care and enjoy TRIPone...

TheTenthPlanet


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On the first saturday of every month, we have a little get2gether at Poop
Studios in Chicago. Music, art, friends, beer... its an all around good
time. And it happens live online. So if you're in Chicago, stop by in the
flesh. If you're not, fire up your RealAudio 3.0 player!

Visit http://www.needle-drop.com/flavortech to get the complete lowdown.

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       SATURDAY FEB 01 8PM - 12AM-ish

         DJs Atmospheric audiochaiR
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      "Content for the wired mindseT"
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    Artwork by Shane Swank, Karen Zilly
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8PM to 12AM-ish - $3 donation

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Allright.. I'm going.  I've got a ride.  I'll see you all there. I'll be
standing next to the former MPLS nutter named Matt who now lives in
wisconSIN.  He will be wearing  baby blue fuzz pants that I made.  He is
quite cute.  You may want to tickle him.  Do so, he likes it.

Chris E.. watch your back man.... I'm gonna find you and wrestle you to the
ground.  Then I'm going to tickle you untill you see god.

Earache..  same to you, except in your case, I'm going to be the 'Sentual
Santa' and give you a full body rub with hot scented massage oil, while
screaming " HO HO HO! " over and over again.

Matter..  ohhhh boy... I think I'm just going to drive to your house for
the hell of it and tickle you untill  you are excreting fluids from pretty
much every orifice of your body.  violently.  Then, I will make you a nice
cup of tea.






                                               -jp
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                                               <randomly stimulating>



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	Is anyone out there in cyber-land going ta the Unified party?  Ill
be wearing a fitted baby-blue shirt with black sleeves, a backpack with a
half pink and half baby blue colored rabbit with shades on it, thump
pants with baby blue stripes on the back pockets, and ill prob. have my
dreads knotted together ta keep them outa my face while dancing.
	If anyone'd like ta meet up, write back.

Peace and much respect

|-)								Erik

PS  James Christian is gonna phat this weekend!



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johnston.151@osu.edu (michael mccusty) said...
> 
> everyone PLEASE STOP!!!!!
> 
> it seems to have gotten 3 times as bad in the past couple days.  and
> someone keeps sending their obviously *private* replys to the list as well.
> 
> sorry to be so bitchy but this always gets my proverbial goat.  it's so
> easy to only send *one* reply.

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'nuff said


- StevenJ
http://djbase.org/djbase

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Hey everyone,
 Here I go taking the initiative again...

net meet at TRIP ONE (since this is an early party): let's try 11:00p
between the front door and the bar, closer to the bar. ;> I will be the
stupid happy looking guy making an idiot of himself in front of god and the
rest of the world, (wearing white docs/black fluke pants). :)

Also, anyone wanting to ride with me from Chicago, please hit me back
before tonight, so we can make arrangements. :)

*hug*

m


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At 04:39 PM 1/31/97 +73600, Steven J White wrote:
>johnston.151@osu.edu (michael mccusty) said...
>> 
>> everyone PLEASE STOP!!!!!
>> 
>In case you don't know what Mike's talking about, PLEASE stop
>sending a copy back to the list and to the person who wrote the message
>If the person who wrote the message is still sub'ed to the list, they
>will see the response.

like this? ;>

m


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johnston.151@osu.edu (michael mccusty) said...
> 
> everyone PLEASE STOP!!!!!
> 
> it seems to have gotten 3 times as bad in the past couple days.  and
> someone keeps sending their obviously *private* replys to the list as well.
> 
> sorry to be so bitchy but this always gets my proverbial goat.  it's so
> easy to only send *one* reply.

In case you don't know what Mike's talking about, PLEASE stop
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If the person who wrote the message is still sub'ed to the list, they
will see the response.

'nuff said


- StevenJ
http://djbase.org/djbase

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If anyone has the info line number for PR, would you please mail it to me?
Thanks!

Your humble narrator,

 0/
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/ >       

"Byron, Illinois, home of the Turkey Testicle Festival."

11.  Why is the party atmosphere of new Orleans thought to have contributed
significantly to the development of jazz?
a.  prostitution has greater musical impact than religion does
b.  happy people like jazz


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If anyone has the info line number for PR, would you please mail it to me?
Thanks!

Your humble narrator,

 0/
<:         Koog
/ >       

"Byron, Illinois, home of the Turkey Testicle Festival."

11.  Why is the party atmosphere of new Orleans thought to have contributed
significantly to the development of jazz?
a.  prostitution has greater musical impact than religion does
b.  happy people like jazz


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johnston.151@osu.edu (michael mccusty) said...
> 
> everyone PLEASE STOP!!!!!
> 
> it seems to have gotten 3 times as bad in the past couple days.  and
> someone keeps sending their obviously *private* replys to the list as well.
> 
> sorry to be so bitchy but this always gets my proverbial goat.  it's so
> easy to only send *one* reply.

In case you don't know what Mike's talking about, PLEASE stop
sending a copy back to the list and to the person who wrote the message
If the person who wrote the message is still sub'ed to the list, they
will see the response.

'nuff said


- StevenJ
http://djbase.org/djbase

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so does anyone know how much this party is? and who all is going?

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Bye for a week kids.  I'm jetting on tour so any mailing attempts in the
next week and some days will be futile.
*Muahahahahahahaha*

Love y'all.  Have fun at PR, chrise and john/dove.  I'm so jealous that
I"ll have to sock both of you in the arm next time we hang out.
;)  I know you love it, Chris.

Always,

Erinaceous
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;-}

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what does this mean?

"RETURN MESSAGE ADVISORY -- NO USER BY THIS NAME REGISTERED AT THIS SITE"




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i rilly rilly wanna go......is anyone from ohio or chicago going that 
would drive me to wisconsin with them?  i'd drive up to chicago......or 
whatever......i just don't wanna make my car go all the way to 
madison.........
:):):)


milkshake

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At 02:55 PM 1/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>i rilly rilly wanna go......is anyone from ohio or chicago going that 
>would drive me to wisconsin with them?  i'd drive up to chicago......or 
>whatever......i just don't wanna make my car go all the way to 
>madison.........
>:):):)
>
>
>milkshake
>

It's on Rockford, Ill.  not madison. 

See ya there.
Bye!
**madison, disconsin, USA, planet earth**

no production crew, no dj bass squad, no 608 posse

unaffiliated, independent, unrelenting

It's not about who you know.  It's not about glamour or glory.  Most
importantly, it's not about where you've been.  It's about where you are
right now.  Hmmm?

*END of TR909ancemission*


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Porcupine Rocketship. Net-meet. 2am. Drink place.

if there's more than one drink place, lets make it at the SMALLER one. or
if there's no drink places (ack!) how about right by the front entrance?

Um, here's my 'kru' as far as I know for this party...

me (6'1", short bleached hair, i'm a guy. big-ass light blue pants)
john/dove (about 5'7" maybe... glasses. asian. probably w/the headlight)
jon/dica (um.. i dont remember how tall he is. he's the hyper one though.)
derek o'brien (i cant't really do a good description of derek)
marc egely (i haven't even met marc yet... plus i'm not 100% sure hes
coming with us)

seeya

chrisE!

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On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Steven J White wrote:

> johnston.151@osu.edu (michael mccusty) said...
> > 
> > everyone PLEASE STOP!!!!!
> > 
> > it seems to have gotten 3 times as bad in the past couple days.  and
> > someone keeps sending their obviously *private* replys to the list as well.
> > 
> > sorry to be so bitchy but this always gets my proverbial goat.  it's so
> > easy to only send *one* reply.
> 
> In case you don't know what Mike's talking about, PLEASE stop
> sending a copy back to the list and to the person who wrote the message
> If the person who wrote the message is still sub'ed to the list, they
> will see the response.
> 
I hate to disagree with you here.  But I intentionally do both unless
someone request me not to.  It makes reading mail faster and easier for
me if a response to one of my messages has that little personal email tag.
I hate it when people remove the cc tag to my posts.  Just thought you
should know that there is a differing opinion on the matter.  But for you
and michael I will remove your cc's as you requested.


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At 10:21 AM 1/31/97 -0600, jp wrote:
>Matter..  ohhhh boy... I think I'm just going to drive to your house for
>the hell of it and tickle you untill  you are excreting fluids from pretty
>much every orifice of your body.  violently.  Then, I will make you a nice
>cup of tea.

That sounds like a blast! Be forewarned: I am only ticklish when in the
right mood.

R u going to make that tea with those bodily fluids, or what?
Ickky. *sour look on my puss*

Kinda wish I was going to P.R., but I owe it to my conscience to go back
home to Detroit for T.O.

Love,
 m


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I am pumped for the show tonight. I've never seen him live, but I've 
heard about him, sounds like it's gonna be a great show! 

I'll try to have a review or something, but don't hold me to it. 

CUL8R
weasel 

-- 
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http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3326/

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hey who's going to The First in akron on sat.? i just rechecked the
infoline, the space lined up is NICE, as in fancy-hotel-ballroom-or-
something nice, but much bigger. very clean, wood floors + carpet,
there'll probably be a bar open too. i know because this is where the 
dj kool show was at, + chris/dj buff was there with me. unfortunately,
it got shut down because of fights. i was just sitting down when the
entire 1/2 of the roomful (a big room) of people come running toward
then past me screaming, since i had never been someplace before like
that where fights broke out, i stood up + went over not knowing what
to expect, possibly a fire + instead see chairs flying thru the air + 
bottles breaking all over. chris can attest to this, he says chairs 
were thrown right past his head! =O (right chris? =V ) it was too bad
especially since dj kool was on for only 1 song, since there were like
20 mediocre opening acts with about 5 MCs each (ie. too many). :[
anyway i'm sure The First is going to go off well (!!!), i hope i'll 
see a lot of you there... =]
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I can't remember who posted for another party happening May 17th in the
country that there could be an internet party connection with, but I got
one.... could someone who remembers the post write back with the source of
that post....???


Thanks

Dustin


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Here are the directions to the Evolution and Maxximum event Urban Warriors

Take your interstate of choice to Louisville ky.

If you are coming from the north west or east, get on I-65 south in
downtown louisville and take the Downtown exit (jefferson st.) go one
block on jefferson turn left on first.  Turn rt on broadway and go 11
blocks to 12th and broadway the space is on the Rt.  an old supermarket
type building.

from the south take I65 north to Louisville.  Take the broadway exit and
turn left.  The go 13 blocks to the corner of 12th and broad.  The space
is on the rt.  

Doors open at 10pm est.
tickets are $15.

be prepared for two rooms of sound Jungle and House

502.569.1969

tim



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hey folks i hope to see you all tomorrow at porkepine. remeber 2am drinky
place. and try to wear a name tag. i'll be wearing mine labeled dErEk. if i
see you, you will get a   *hug* from me. peace! 


dErEK
                                  
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