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okay, i'm not here to bitch about ppl bitching about ppl bitching...
i'm here to set you all str8

here's a quote:

 the midwest raves list is a list for cool people who live in and/or are
 interested in the so-called "rave scene" here in the midwestern 
 united states.

     we talk about a lot of things, including but not limited to: raves,
     techno & other music, fashion, drugs, culture, and of course: toys. 

if you need more information, i suggest you reread the FAQ type thing found
at:

  http://hyperreal.com/raves/mw/what/

and if you ask me, the original post was in poor taste, but not offtopic.
 we are a  F A M I L Y and as such we have disagreements and arguments and
this is a PERFECT place for us to air those issues....and we know life's
not all skittles and starburst.  when someome on this list has a black
jellybean we should all be here to help that person out.  if it's a dispute
or a misunderstanding between two ppl on this list -->and it's involving
the rave scene<-- i say put it up.  just remember that you are saying
something to someone else in a public forum.  like cybergraffitti, you can
diss or prop someone here and it can be beautiful or sloppy...and if i
could i would paint over the original post as soon as possible.

as for terry mullan.........well, i'm not even going to touch that one.

--star*
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 00:36:19 1996
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...semi-official ransmission follows...

The minneapolis idea project is in search fo advertisers! We're a group of
minnesota ravers working to put together a zine based on the idea of
improving the minneapolis scene.  The zine will be distributed free
throughout the minneapolis area and hopefully in madison and other
wisconsin cities as well.

Putting ads in Minneapolis Idea Project's first issue will give you lots
of coverage for a small price. The only reason we're looking for
advertisers at all is to help cover the cost of printing.  This is a FREE
zine, and our intent is to help 'fix' the minneapolis rave scene into
something better than its current state. We aren't desperate enough for
money that we will take something that we feel goes against the concept
of our magazine.

We're looking at august 31st as a hopeful date for the release of out
first issue. The magazine will then be distributed at Elektrik Disko, the
minneapolis stop of the communique' world tour.  Additionally, we will be
distributing at Madison's Rave-Um and Bail-E 2 on the same weekend.  If we
cannot meet that date (there's only 2 people working on the zine!) we'll
plan on distributing the first issue at Culture Shock in minneapolis on
September 21st.

note: World Wide Web advertising might also be available- let me know if
you're interested.

any mail regarding minneapolis idea project advertising should be directed
to myself- chris ege (crege@piper.hamline.edu), Josh Decker
(jdeker@winternet.com) or the Minneapolis Idea Project central e-mail
address (ideaproject@juno.com)  

We also have a voice-mail line at (612) 362-3387

Peace! 

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 00:46:50 1996
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> and if you ask me, the original post was in poor taste, but not offtopic.
>  we are a  F A M I L Y and as such we have disagreements and arguments and
> this is a PERFECT place for us to air those issues....and we know life's
> not all skittles and starburst.  when someome on this list has a black
> jellybean we should all be here to help that person out.  if it's a dispute

Hey, I ***LIKE*** black jellybeans! Yummy licorice flavor...

> something to someone else in a public forum.  like cybergraffitti, you can
> diss or prop someone here and it can be beautiful or sloppy...and if i
> could i would paint over the original post as soon as possible.

but to be serious here for a minute- i do agree with star.  What does it
matter if you get one message that you don't like in your mailbox? just
delete it.  But there _are_ limits.  I don't want to go censoring people
here, but just coming out and talking shit about an established and
much-liked listmember isn't something you should do, anyone!  If you're
gonna do it, at least back yourself up.  Just calling someone a
"vanilla-rice muthafucka" doesn't tell anybody anything.  it's just noise.

to provide a little comaprison:  say you're at a party, and the music's
turned down (noise complaints ya know...) suddenly one guy close to you
starts yelling at another guy. The music, as I already mentioned, is
turned down- so these guys  are yelling over the music and nobody can hear
it.  Is it so bad to tell them to be quiet?

I think not.

of course we're not all happy-happy all the time here- whhy the fuck would
we want to be? But dissing somebody like happened today on the list isn't
'good talk'- it's noise. It's not so much the fact that i got the message,
it's the shitty quality of the message that i dont like.  

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 00:49:16 1996
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i'm having a kind of grapple with my ISP and hence am moving to a permanent
(read FREE) location.  There will be a slight interruption in service as I
get my domain switched over to this new server.

all the usual stuff will be available after the disruption.

ISPs suck.

btw, I can't post the new beta until I make the switch, for those people
looking for it.  Also there is now a phone # for inneraktive nettwerx.
612-942-1477 - hit #4 to leave a message or have me paged (it pages me when
I get a message, but you can't enter a number).

everything is functional now and the box is complete.  I changed it so the
DLLs required by tekknoBOX reside only in the directory the program is being
launched from - no more sticking DLLs into the windows/system directory
which was causing some problems for some people.

MIDI control is working and is quite nice!

A shareware applet for tekknoBOX will be released in the next month.  It's
somewhat similar to logic audio's thing where you can pop sliders, knobs,
buttons, edit fields, etc. onto a blank window and assign MIDI or program
functions to them - altho not as intense.  it's mainly for the suckers with
the fancy soundcards that have built in EQ and effects, and want to get at
them during playback or to control MIDI levels on outgoing channels or
control various controllers of a synth during playback, etc.

anyways,

yours as always ...

jon gilkison
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 00:55:39 1996
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> and if you ask me, the original post was in poor taste, but not offtopic.
>  we are a  F A M I L Y and as such we have disagreements and arguments and
> this is a PERFECT place for us to air those issues....and we know life's
> not all skittles and starburst.  when someome on this list has a black

thought of one more thing!  A family can have their disagreements, but
when they dont discuss their disagreements, nothing's getting done.
What's to disagree about? I don't know. all I know is that someone on the
list called someone else (presumably on the list, if i read the original
right) a 'vanilla-rice muthafucka'  where's the disagreement in that? It's
a racial slur of sorts- are we disagreeing about people's races? I should
hope we're more mature than that here.  How can we help out a person who
doesn't tell us what his problem is? s/he just comes in and starts
dissin'- what's to be done about that? Should we all go "oh, what's the
matter? how can we help you?" I'm all for a little negativity on the list.
However, i'm not for just insulting someone out of the blue without even
telling others what the problem with this person is...

let's keep it intelligent at least...

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 01:27:34 1996
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To offset some of the full moon madness and name-calling and general sUPER
wACKinEss that I've seen on several of the mailing lists I'm on (always
happens, around every full moon!), I am sending this message out to
mw-raves to add some Venus to the Lunar sway:

   You -- yes YOU -- are awesome.
   Every time you SMILE,
   You warm those around you with your BRILLIANCE.
   And as long as we keep DANCING...
   We're all going HOME!!
   Home is no longer a place, but a FEELING,
   A KNOWING,
   And a state of BEING.
     - Half of COMMUNITY is UNITY.
     - The other half is COMMUNICATION.
     - And 2/3 of EVOLVE is LOVE!!!!
   Feel it, know it, be it, and pass it on!!


   (=  Dandy?  =)

       Randy
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        a d         osiris7@cris.com
       Randy        http:// [should be up within 16 days!!]

            "When Your Heart Speaks, Take Good Notes"



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 01:34:29 1996
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bill cook sed:
================================================================= 
this message is for one particular wack individual. many have heard of this
sneaky back- talking, name-dropping, vanilia-RICE MUTHA-PHUCKA. at this
================================================================= 

huh!? who are you?! have we met before? what the hell are you
talking about? did i do something to you in a past life or
something? cuz i have never even heard of you before! is this
some kind of joke?

i don't even know you to talk about you behind yur back!
i do drop some names sometimes: bill cook, terry mullan, michael 
jackson, oprah winfrey, marsha brady, E.T., oops! did it again!
i have never phucked any vanilla rice or their mutha's for that
matter!

==================================================================
point, those that know him will have a BIG SM:)E ON THEIR FACES!
WATCH YOUR BACK MR.T CAUSE THE KIDS IN THE TWO-ONE-SIX
AINT TAKING NO SHIT FROM SILLY TWO FACED MARK-ASS BUSTAZ
LIKE YO-SELF.    
================================================================== 

hey i put sm:)es on faces on people that i don't know too 
(who else is stoopid enuff to forward satirical posts about
IBM to an all rave list or post a huge props list to CZ5's mama?)
i am silly, but i've only got one face. and how could i possibly
hand out shit if i got a mark stuck up my ass?

==================================================================
DON"T THINK THAT YOU ARE THE ONLY KID IN OHIO PROMO-T-SANG....
.................................WE INTURUPT THIS HARASSMENT TO BRING YOU THIS 
SPECIAL WARNING....................... DO NOT TRUST THIS SNEAKY INDIVIDUAL HE 
MAKES UP SLANDEROUS LIES JUST TO MAKE CONVERSATION.YOU ARE NOT THE FORFATHER 
OF THE 216 MR.STEVIE T. YOUR LIV'IN SOMEWHERE
IN THE 90216.
===================================================================

wait i'm not the only kid in ohio promoting? hmm maybe that's why
i forwarded that huge list of all the ohio production crews and
their voice mail #'s to trouty for the pb-cle rom or i'm the only
kid in ohio stupid enuff to promo, post on the net, flyer, bring
kids to partys, help in any way i can all the other ohio production
crews including: psychoactive, spawntaneous, UPS, ele mental, 
collective intelligence, G-Force, Girley Girl Productions, Jinxspot
Productions, The Overlords, AAAA, the Sugarkids, Candygirl, i can
go on & on. and that's just ohio. i won't mention the crews in other
states. or wuz i the only kid in ohio stupid enuff to start up his
own zine paying for it all out of his own pocket to help promo the
scene by teaching kids about PLUR, what they should know about MDMA,
the spirituality of raving, etc. it also had a rave calendar that
listed partys from the midwest, the northeast, and the pitt / cleve
area. it had countless pictures of all the partys that i could hit 
(again paid w/ money out of my own pocket), it had interviews w/ the
likes of: scott forbush, trevor lamont, rob sherwood, mike filly,
steve cinch, dave trance, carlos, brian wheeler, J2, chinagrrl, etc. etc.

i never said i wuz THE forfather of the 216 scene. but anybody that
knows anything about the 216 scene knows that i wuz ONE OF the founding
fathers. if u have a problem w/ this u can call the man himself: 
mr. scott forbush (e me if u need his #) & he will personally educate 
u on how i helped the 216 scene since day one.

prey tell what have u ever done for the 216 scene, besides trying to
slander other hardworking promotors? 

if yur looking to gain any respect in this forum i would suggest
starting out by checking the mw-raves hyperreal site. i believe 
they still have my ORIGIN OF PLUR post from way back when there.
and check the archives for OHIO RAVE HISTORY 101 and u'll see 
exactly how i wuz involved in the 216 scene since the very start.

ugh, this is so depressing =(  (as if i'm not depressed enuff already,
and i really wanted to retire on a happy note too!) 

will some of the listmembers that know me please speak on my behalf?
 
:~(

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there is & its Josh Winx, call Core info line....

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bill cook sed:
=================================================================
OF THE 216 MR.STEVIE T. YOUR LIV'IN SOMEWHERE
IN THE 90216.
================================================================= 

actually i'm livin somewhere in the 44118. but i think u meant
90210 here. speakin o 90210 i think it's kinda ironic cuz the
very first interview i ever conducted for PLRM wuz w/ the VP
of Research of Programming at Fox - Charles Kennedy concerning
a 90210 episode that misrepresented ravers on the air - i shit
u not! and i've got the tape to prove it. here's how the interview
went...

well just got a wake up call today from to my surprise from the VP of
Research of Programming at FOX - Charles Kennedy. apparently he
recieved my e-mail from FOXNET at DELPHI and wanted to respond. 
we talked about the previous show that misrepresented ravers. and he said
it must have been a local program, because he did not know about it. 
then i asked him if i could record our conversation. hereUs how it went:

TALK WITH CHARLES KENNEDY OF FOX ON THE MISREPRESENTATION
OF RAVERS ON 90210

PLRM: ok i think we're on. if u hear a beep thing, ignore it. that's it
           recording or whatever.
FOXVP: not a problem. not a problem.
PLRM: oh yeah, my girlfriend, she saw the 90210 episode last night.
           she was kind of dissapointed too. apparently it took place in
           a mansion. and they were all wearin tuxedos. ha. ha and the 
           music wasn't even techno. it was top 40 dance music. and all
           the girls were like in big clusters. and it kind of seemed like
           they were lesbians cuz they were all in girl clusters rubbing 
           against each other. this is what she told me. i donUt know. i 
           missed the show personally. cuz...
FOXVP: yeah i hadn't actually seen that episode yet either.
PLRM: i uhm work at nights. but basically she saw it & she wasn't too 
           happy w/ it.
FOXVP: what did she think of the show overall? was she still watching
             it?
PLRM: uhm..actually we don't usually watch it. i found out about it on 
           DELPHI right before i logged off. you guys had that little plug.
FOXVP: right. right.
PLRM: so it got me interested. and so i told my girlfriend to watch it cuz
           i knew i wouldn't be able to cuz i had to work.
FOXVP: right. right.
PLRM: so... she caught most of it. she missed the beginning cuz she was
           watching some other show. but, she just told me about it on the
           phone when i got back from work.
FOXVP: well u know, anytime u watch any of the FOX shows & have 
             comments u can put them on the net and to our DELPHI
             address. and unfortunately we don't have the staff to respond
             to all of these letters. but we do have the staff to read as many
             of these letters as possible. and thatUs what we do, we read it,
             we pass on the information to our DELPHI address. and we have
             actually a number of our programming executives, those are the
             ones that actually deal w/ the producers of the show, they go 
             on-line & several of them are really kind of cyber savy, saavy 
             and uhm read the things. i know that we actually have some of
             our producers actually go on-line for x-files, for 90210 & 
             melrose
             place, and even party of 5.
PLRM: yeah i kind of figured u guys were pretty good in cyberspace,
           becuz uhm..i read one of yours.. uhm, describing one episode how     

           they went on-line and i guess they had to like deal w/ flames w/
            rolling stone fans.
FOXVP: right, right. yeah.
PLRM: and apparently the flames were real soft toned. cuz y'know it
           was a public show and u had to tone it done or whatever.
FOXVP:  ha. ha. yeah.
PLRM: but u guys knew about all that.
FOXVP: yeah.
PLRM: it's funny actually if u jump on PRODIGY, do u guys have 
            PRODIGY?
FOXVP: yeah, we get them all.
PLRM: there's a real hot topic i was involved in. i mean some serious
           flames going on. and the topic is under the techno bb for
           nine inch nails. and it got real hot when me & this guy named
           tom o, he was like a conservative republican, just totally like..
           basically it's gotten so far that nine inch nails is not 
           considered y'know techno. and unfortunately these people
           that are still into nine inch nails, theyll jump on the techno bb
           and we just bash each other back & forth becuz nine fans are
           generally y'know like they're really aggresive & they're
           violent. they're still into that hate thing, y'know. i don't know
           pretty hate machine or whatever.
FOXVP: yeah.
PLRM: well i'm a rave promotor, so  i'm constantly y'know tryin to promote
           the rave scene & tryin to enlighten people that the rave scene
           has nothing to do with drugs. it's more...it's..it's more like 
           younger people that are just out there to have a good time. it's
           just a big party more than anything else. and not even..i'd say
           only 25 to 30% of the people actually do drugs in raves.
FOXVP: yeah.
PLRM: and it's not even about drugs at all. it's about the music -
           techno bringing people together y'know from different 
           backgrounds no matter what color for a rave. it's really
           too bad that public tv is portraying ravers in such a negative
           way. i don't know it sucks for us. 
FOVP:  yeah. yeah.
PLRM: especially for promotors of the rave scene.
FOXVP: and it's hard for television to unfortunately to uhm if u go in
            touch w/ a topic once then it stands as the representation for
            all those people and uhm we have the same problem that we
            have a particular character and if people think that oh that's
            their identifying the entire subgroup of people like that. that's
            never the case. they're just individuals that they put on there.
            unfortunately people apply stereotypes on what they see on tv
            too. and they say oh well there trying to be a stereotype and it's
            just they donŐt have enough time to show several different 
            characters that are ravers or several different characters that     

            are in particular subgroup. and not let them stand for everybody
            but let them stand for an individual that happens to be going
            through a particular situation. but now i really want to thank u
            for sending me e-mail & glad i had a chance to talk to u. it's
            always kind of cool when somebody actually answers the phone.
            and it makes it easier to look'em up & say hi...
PLRM:  i forgot who u were again...
FOXTV: my name is charles kennedy & i'm the VP of program research
            here at FOX broadcasting here in sunny LA. uhm..u know what steve,
            i hate to do this, actually i have to go to a meeting, actually
            it's called the Current Program Meeting, it's where all the
            executives meet to talk about the ratings and talk about the 
            on-line discussions and all the story lines and all that other
            stuff. i gotta go. but i want to thank u again for the letter &
            if u have any other comments send them to FOXNET on DELPHI and
            theyŐll be read. okay?
PLRM: okay, thanks for ah calling.
FOXTV: you bet sure bye.  

--
________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________

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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, star wrote:

> okay, i'm not here to bitch about ppl bitching about ppl bitching...
> i'm here to set you all str8
> 
> here's a quote:
> 
>  the midwest raves list is a list for cool people who live in and/or are
>  interested in the so-called "rave scene" here in the midwestern 
>  united states.
> 
>  we talk about a lot of things, including but not limited to: raves,
>  techno & other music, fashion, drugs, culture, and of course: toys. 

hey!!  i wrote that!  never thought it might be used on the actual list...
cool :)  i do hope it's a fair description (anyone care to comment?). 

and well, i'm seeing both sides of this issue, but basically i think it's
wrong to slander someone, even if the individual writing the post thinks
it's true. 

when i have made certain accusations/assertions (several of which i have
gotten into mild trouble over), i have tried to keep things on an
"interprative"  level, just shy of slander.  what i'm saying is, a
declaration of someone's shittiness may really just be shit-talking, which
is wrong and may be illegal.  

so if you're going to write anything slanderous or verging-on-slanderous, 
you damn well better be prepared to face the consequences.  being: loss 
of credibility, lawsuit, negtive vibe, etc.  

eugh, what a nasty thread.

*spreads sunshine out of his behind*
++
e d


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From: John-Andrew  Murphy <JMURPHY4@VMA.CC.ND.EDU>
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Man, all that rambling about Messiah, Apotheosis, et al, and I started
humming some of that stuff! When I first got started in this whole scene
that's what turned me on to it! Sure, I like the stuff that's coming out now.
But, I still crank up the Messiah, Moby, 808 State, Quadrophonia, and my
Rave 'Til Dawn cd's while driving to the beach. (The RTD cd with O'Fortuna,
that is.) This stuff is fun! And it reminds me of college. EGAD! I just stepped
foot in the Nostalgia Zone! *ACK!* I like it all, I guess. But my favorite
tune remains, "Plastic Dreams". I have the long version on vinyl, and it
gets played when the mood is right. It still feels perfect.

Don't throw away this stuff! And forget that you hear it at sporting events.
(Rather techno than country, or equally bad, classic rock!) It's fun!
It gets the adrenaline pumping. My wife says it's like techno surfer music.
You have fun with it. After all, I think that's why I started raving to begin
with way back when. Fun. None of us took oursevles, or the scene, seriously.
We were college kids looking for a good time, celebrating the cyberlife,
having virtual sex, real sex, and dressing funny. The music reflects that.

Hell, I still listen to my old Lords of Acid tapes and CD's. It's fun!

Peace,
John-Andrew

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Hi all again, I just had to get this quick note out B4 I responded to any       
personal notes I got this morning.                                              

Stevie T is the man!  He has always been fair to everyone (especially me) as    
far as I have seen.  Hugz to Stevie!                                            

And I agree that Terry Mullen plays great music.  If he plays too loud, then    
turn it down or get more powerful equip.  If he sometimes is a no show, then    
perhaps he has a good reason, OR SHAME ON HIM, if he is a no show more than     
once for one of your parties then don't invite him again.  We all make mistakes 
but they happened in the past, move on to the future, make it better.           

See ya!                                                                         

Peace!                                                                          
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 08:54:16 1996
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its 1st fridays are aslofro junglists (like myself) and juiceis for pelple
who wantthe same old stuff.(boy im prob gona catch hell for that one.)

christian

>Just a reminder for those looking for something to do this Friday.(As I dont
>believe anyones posted anything pertaining to this on the list this week)
>Be sure to check out 1st Fridays put on by 1000 words magazine, and Dub Shack
>Chicago at Smart Bar.
>
>Smart Bar is located at 3730 N Clark across from Wrigley Field.
>
>Phantom 45 will be displaying a 2.5 hour set starting at 11, from there I have
>no clue as to who will be playing.
>Of course the venue is 21 and up, sorry children.
>
>This is sure to be a better more mature time for those seeking refuge from
>juice.
>
>Hai



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juice has been cancelled...core lost their space...it was also cancelled 
for the 16th (dj dan and derrick carter were going to be there...) oh well...

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 hi
id just like to warn everyone (mainly ppl that might have driven fromout of
town to see josh wink).

THERE WILL BE NO JUICE EVENT THIS FRIDAY. NO JOSH WINK

surpized wellnot really. but according to the vioce mail core lost their
space they were using and josh wink is supost to be rescedualled for
sept19.

too bad im not 21.(dam if i was only born 5mo.s earlier) id be at 1st
friday were id suggest you go to. but then again im all about jungle..


christian



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                the innerAKTIVE nettWERX atmosphere design unit

                presents minneapolis's first ambient experience

                               ::::::  ::::::
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                          Oct 4th, Minneapolis MN
                         -------------------------
This is the first large-scale ambient party being put together in
minneapolis.  Two rooms of psychotik lighting, video loops, trip toys,
couches and ambient, dub, ambient house and minimal tekkno.  Professional
story-tellers will be working with the deejays to weave together intense
dramatic tapestries.  Video loops will be engineered to provoke and to
trance thought.  And the lighting is being worked to provide complete
submergence into the ambience and atmosphere.

The goals of EA are many-fold - to provide a connecting spot for many
different groups in our kulture and to walk our kulture into a more creative
mind-set.  The whole concentration of our effort in putting this together is
to engineer a submersive and creative environment for people to experience
all sorts of personal journeys in.  This event is definitely about getting
your mental groove on.

The DJ line-up is to follow in the next week or so.

Info lines:
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OK...I just looked over the calendar for this week and realized that
there isn't another rave in Indy for a long time( minus this upcoming
weekend!) so I WAS wondering...why? Why is the Indy scene that
unorganized that we don't have a rave every weekend like Chi-town?
One of my Chi-town friends told me that everyone keeps telling her
that CHi-town ravers are very spoiled since they always have a party
to go to. I do agree.....and the fact that all I am doing is bitching
and all that I can do really won't make a difference. I am in college
right now and I am not producing that much income other than random
$20 bills from my parent's hands so I really can't do anything
other than talk. I do know that this upcoming fall there are going to
be quite a few parties in Bloomington, IN since a new group
of promoters are starting there freshman year down at old IU. SO....
maybe that will appease my appetite for parties this year....since
it does get extremely old doing the Chicago-Bloomington thing in 24 hours.
OK.....that's enough...

Liq.


******************************************************************************
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Actually, this is interesting...

        The awfull dj at a bar in town where I go to school just redeemed
himself.  He busted out some old classics that I used to love..

'I'm bigger, I'm bolder I'm rougher, I'm tougher, ...."

It was actually a good night..

                                                        -jp
                                                        -incessantly lulling -
                                                        -randomly stimulating-



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Does anyone know if the starchildren are throwing a party tonight in madison?


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 13:10:46 1996
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From: **sugar bear!*** <gbaxstro@kent.edu>
Subject: small announcement
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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:58:53 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com

this is sugar bear but i changed my nickname, now i'm elias. this is
why my name + signature are different. it's a long story--even i don't
understand it so i can't explain. sorry to cause mass confusion +
general chaos. anyway i sent a message to the list a while ago (it was
really long too but i'm not going to retype it), but it didn't go thru
+ didn't end up in the directory where the messages that somehow don't
get sent go. it just disappeared. *twilight zone music* so i hope this
goes to the list. by the way i decided to be realistic + honest with
the signature: that's me + yes i can ollie that high, tho it's not 
particularly impressive. but if i would have made a picture of me
switchstance fakie 180 varial double kickflipping onto a cop car (now 
that would be cool, but i definitely can not do a trick like that!) it
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From: Tosh Cooey <tosh@plastik.plus8.com>
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Organization: Plus 8 Records Limited
To: idm@hyperreal.com
Subject: Road Trippin'

No, not trippin' on the road.  Getting in a vehicle (RV's RULE!) and
heading out on the road to *the* party.
Everyone knows that all roads lead to Detroit, and all roads this
weekend will lead to Sickness.......Recovery.....

Admittedly Detroit is just a little far for some people to drive, but
when the bill is Matthew Hawtin then Jeff Mills then Richie Hawtin and
the *AFTERPARTY* is Eric Haupt, John Acquaviva, Clark Warner, and
Matthew Hawtin again, well, they will come (someone has been watching
too much Field of Dreams).

But what about people who just can't make it? Well, Plus 8 has teamed up
with BeatBox (www.beatbox.com) in the US and Teleparc (www.teleparc.com)
in Japan, for a RealAudio broadcast of this event to anyone who can't
make it.

If you don't have RealAudio yet, then you should get it.  Nothing could
be easier.  Here are the simple steps for obtaining the RealAudio Player
so you can tune in:
- Go to http://www.realaudio.com
- Choose the [Get RealAudio Player 2.0] link
- Answer a couple questions (like email address, kind of computer...)
- Click the [Download RealAudio 2.0 Player Now] link (easy so far)
- Wait while RealAudio downloads
- When it's done, double-click the file that just downloaded on you
computer, answer a couple questions, choose [Express Setup] and you're
done.

You may be wondering what these DJ's are like.  Matthew Hawtin is the
consumate ambient DJ, his collection is from all parts of the globe, if
you're looking to hear ambient you never knew existed, then Matt's the
one.  Then there's Jeff Mills, the best DJ on earth.  Pounding and
uncompromising, once you hear Jeff playing, you will sell your soul to
be there.  Richie Hawtin will be closing out the Sickness....... portion
of the party (Recovery will not be broadcast).  If Jeff is the best,
then Richie is tied for second with Derrick May.  Richie's style and
track selection have earned him a following bordering on fanatical, and
with good reason; his set will take you and your mind to places only you
can go.

It's Thursday now, the party is on Saturday, the sound arrives on Friday
from 600 miles away (only the best and biggest sound will do) and we
have to start setting up.

If you need some help or info about getting RealAudio then mail me, or
if you would like more informationg about the event then check:
http://www.plus8.com/sickness

Thanks, and if we don't see you there, then hopefully we'll see you hit
the RealAudio server.

Tosh


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Subject: need some info...

Could someone please tell me if the starchildren are throwing a thursday night
party in Madison this week.  Thanx =)
Breezy



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jp@art.uwstout.edu (jp) said...
> 
> 'I'm bigger, I'm bolder I'm rougher, I'm tougher, ...."


"I'm the one and only dominator...  I'm the one and only dominator..."

8-)



- stevenJ
http://hyperreal.com/~stevenj/

Occupied America

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>will some of the listmembers that know me please speak on my behalf?
 
welllll...i dont know you personally...but i got a copy of yer aine at IO2
and have paid close attention to what you post and when you post,
stevie...you got mad skillz and hella luv fer the scene...what else can be
said?...

>:~(

turn that frown upside down :)

*hugs* as always...

JOSH!

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tHE fOLLOWING iS a tWO pART mESSAGE oF uPMOST iMPORTANCE
========================================================

---> . P @ R T . o N 3 . <---

. wOrld . bEwArE .

fore daze and kounting...

: T H E . M I N N E A P O L I S . ! D E A . P R O J E C T :

unveilz the secret of its cyberspace whereabouts...

search and search you may...

but in fore daze, your search will be pointless...

yes, we are aktually going to *TELL* you...

stay tuned...



---> . P @ R T . T W o . <---

: T H E . M I N N E A P O L I S . ! D E A . P R O J E C T : is still
looking for advitizerz for our zine.  rekkid companies, DJs selling
mixtapes, promoters throwing pahtiez, ppl making clothez, or whatevah... 

reach a butt load of crayzee kidz who want what you got by advertizing in
our zine.

direct all correspondance regarding advertizement to chris ege
(crege@piper.hamline.edu), josh decker (jdecker@winternet.com), or
respond  directly to the e.mail central headkwarterz
(ideaproject@juno.com)

youll be amazed by the rezults :)


: T H E . M I N N E A P O L I S . ! D E A . P R O J E C T :
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the formulation of a better scene
ideaproject@juno.com
612 : 362 : 3387

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>   I believe in the groove
>             What do you believe in?

i dont think i know
i only know i think...

love,
-nathan



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In a message dated 96-08-01 18:44:09 EDT, MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com (Mail
Delivery Subsystem) writes:

>n a message dated 96-08-01 13:13:48 EDT, you write:
>
>>Why is the Indy scene that
>>unorganized that we don't have a rave every weekend like Chi-town?
>>One of my Chi-town friends told me that everyone keeps telling her
>>that CHi-town ravers are very spoiled since they always have a party
>>to go to.
>
>I don't really know anything about INDY but I get the feeling that it's not
>big time on the map when it comes to parties.  Perhaps it's because there
>isn't enough of a scene to support an event for every weekend?  And plus,
>like you said..all someone needs to do is travel that whole
>Chicago/Bloomington route and get their partying done that way. I  think
that
>it would be hard to compete with a scene like Chicago when it comes to
>parties. Perhpas there are others out there like you who are sick of doing
>all that traveling and will want to change things.  Maybe you should look to
>hook up with that new crew of promoters and actually change your discontent.
> That's just my two cents.  In any case, take care and hope things work out.
> laterz
>peace out
>Allyson


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Subject: Re: Indy raves...

In a message dated 96-08-01 13:13:48 EDT, you write:

>Why is the Indy scene that
>unorganized that we don't have a rave every weekend like Chi-town?
>One of my Chi-town friends told me that everyone keeps telling her
>that CHi-town ravers are very spoiled since they always have a party
>to go to.

I don't really know anything about INDY but I get the feeling that it's not
big time on the map when it comes to parties.  Perhaps it's because there
isn't enough of a scene to support an event for every weekend?  And plus,
like you said..all someone needs to do is travel that whole
Chicago/Bloomington route and get their partying done that way. I  think that
it would be hard to compete with a scene like Chicago when it comes to
parties. Perhpas there are others out there like you who are sick of doing
all that traveling and will want to change things.  Maybe you should look to
hook up with that new crew of promoters and actually change your discontent.
 That's just my two cents.  In any case, take care and hope things work out.
 laterz
peace out
Allyson

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>The same thing applies for everyone talking trash about terry >mullan.
>He's a better dj than anyone else on this list, and to prove it, >he
>draws a crowd at every party he spins at + he makes people >dance. 

Speaking of Terry Mullan, can anyone get me his info number by any chance?

Peace,
Tim

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Subject: silence..

the sweet whisper of silence blows in my ears,
the smell of sweat slowly disappears.
a pulsating beat throbes in your head,
but you don't hate it, you enjoy it instead.
the sucker in your mouth slowly dwindles away,
you have to leave, but you'd rather stay.
the sucker is mystery (?), and it is your fav,
and as you close your eye you think..wow what a rave.......

	i wrote this for all of you to enjoy!!:)
	i hopes you likes? i call it...

	"THE LONG RIDE HOME WEARING EYES OF EXAUSTION"

                      !!!!!!!!!
                     !!! --- !!! 
                     /         \~
                    (-----------)
                     \   000   /
                       -------

         
   plur...........

			TEnnY..
			10-E...



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Subject: Re: drugZ
To: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
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On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:

> i don't think there is anything wrong with people experimenting or liking 
> drugs at parties ... i do think that someone skipping out on a 
> potentially amazing party solely because they can't do drugs - well, i do 
> think that's ridiculous.  if you call that hostility then i guess i do a 
> really good job of fooling everyone huh?  i don't call it hostility - i 
> call it a Point of View.
> tamzin

   Well, I would have to agree as well...  I've spun at gigs where some 
of the other dj's HAVE to be screwed up ... I can recall one rave, my 
'fellow' dj couldn't even get half way up the ladder - thinking it was 
moving around... well, he eventually did, mixed some g00d vibes, but 
mostly BAD!  His set was cut sort after 5 trax... 
    I guess I've got a point in there somewhere... no point in getting
screwed outta your skull - to the point of reality loss - if you've got 
shit to do... and it is nice to actually remember the experience.

\w00/

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*  !!  BELIEVED !!          {                                  } _lIfE_   *
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From: Baden de Bari <wu921@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: sUPERwACK lISTmEMBERS
To: star <star@interaccess.com>
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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, star wrote:

> 
> okay, i'm not here to bitch about ppl bitching about ppl bitching...
> i'm here to set you all str8
> 
> here's a quote:
> 
>  the midwest raves list is a list for cool people who live in and/or are
>  interested in the so-called "rave scene" here in the midwestern 
>  united states.
> 
>      we talk about a lot of things, including but not limited to: raves,
>      techno & other music, fashion, drugs, culture, and of course: toys. 
> 
> --star*
 
  Hi Star... 
That reminds me of the attitude I experienced in Winnipeg 2 years ago... 
(I'm not making a blow to the scene there b/c I used to live there and 
spin, etc, the whole scene thang...)
  ok... story?  This chick from Minni. came into Winnipeg - Rachel...  
Her approach to people was "Hi, I'm Rachel.  I'm from Minniapolas.  I'm a 
rAvEr.  I hate the scene you have here.  There is nothing g00d here for 
me - I shouldn't even bother with you people!"
   Basically like that.  Well, that was 2 years ago - and she's still in 
Winnipeg only now has developed the "No, my name is Butterfly" complex, 
and will refuse to go by her given name... attitude?  Well, she's cool, 
but the attitude ruins her l00ks.

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*  !!  BELIEVED !!          {                                  } _lIfE_   *
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 17:22:58 1996
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> I don't really know anything about INDY but I get the feeling that it's not
> big time on the map when it comes to parties.  Perhaps it's because there
> isn't enough of a scene to support an event for every weekend?  And plus,
> like you said..all someone needs to do is travel that whole
> Chicago/Bloomington route and get their partying done that way. I  think that


It really beats the heck out of me.  We had things going on every week
a couple of years ago... i don't really know what happened!  The scene
is definitely there to support it-- but maybe it's too hard to get a
venue for an event or something. 

The bloomington/chicago trek is no way to go! :P  That's like 4.5 hours
or more!  Once in awhile, yes-- but that kinda drive is next to 
impossible if you don't know anybody up north to stay with.  (although
i'm sure we've all been farther :)


oh well...

	/> a n i e l  /-/ u l l
	raygun@purdue.edu

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hey all you bad little kiddies out there in mwraves land... :P

soaps...with the recent uprising of poetiks posted to the list pertaining to
rave and rave experiences, i decided to post my lil poetik 2 cents...had
been debating it fer some time...but this seems like ample
opportunity...so...here goes...

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

" C A R P E   N O C T E M "

slip.
slip.
slide.
into a kaleidoscope dream
of orangish-red glowing embers
and
shining, shimmering prism visions.
a tiny, precious, euphoric dream
of silver, glittering stardust hills
and
pristine skies painted with the colors
of the rainbow.
where we melt together as
one,
gigantic entity.
a nightly ritual of unification.
a dreamscape where the music of our lives
is found in the beating of our hearts.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
        _________________________ 
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hey!

just me again...

im on a kwest...

im looking for as many new, old, various, and different DJ mixtapes as
possible...idealy, id like to be able to sscore em fer free or cheap...but i
realize this is not possible fer everyone...so...i guess im just asking all
yall out there in mwraves land that DJ to send me info about how i can
aquire copies of yer mixtapes...

youm know ===> Oo. style of musik
               Oo. length of tape
               Oo. price
               Oo. kind of tape its rekorded on
               Oo. address to send any money or exchanges
               Oo. anyt personal info you feel like sharing

im sure ya git the pikture...anyhow...

who knows...maybe a review of it might wind up in 'the minneapolis idea
project' magazine (hint, hint :P)...

e.mail me private if this pertains to you or you can help me out...

thanks a bazillion...

*hugs* as always...

stay positive...

JOSH!
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 18:17:43 1996
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        Yes there is a star children tonight.  Woody McBride won't be there
tho, i hope that title didn't get your hopes up   =D.... i couldn't even
understand the guy on the voicemail, some dj from st.  louis.  i don't
really feel like going in because a)  i'm poor and $5 is a lot of money to
me right now and b)  i have to work at 7:30 in the morning and the times i
have gone to this before i have been late every time!  But i'll be chillin
outside madtowners so look for me.

        AND...  I also wanted to ask if anyone out there has an ESP WOODY
McBRIDE MIXTAPE out there, you don't know how much i would love to get my
hands on one.  I used to have one, from a live party in Chicago back in 94,
but some bitch ass stole it!!!!! grrrrrr!!  and i know it's hard as hell to
get one too, but if anyone has one please contact me.  I will pay you top
dollar to dub it off or make a trade....i don't have much but this is what i
got ta trade...

        Keoki.... all mixed up.... yeah i know it's Keoki, and no one could
ever do a set like this live, but         never the less, this cd is Hot!

        Josh Wink.... united Dj's of america.... phat tracks on the housier
tip. taped live @ the Milkbar in         Philly

        Wisdom Achieved by Theeo  - superphat goa trance!!!
        
        Terry Mullen live @ Equal - yeah i know everyone has this tape, but
heheheh

        DJ DB - Hard Summer Trance - it's awesome, from way back in 94!

        Kee and DZAK.... some locals (madison and milwaukee) tearin shit up!

        DJ Dan - the james brown tribute tape.... this is phunky!
        
        Hyperactive - Live @ Intellect.   a live PA from the chicago acid
kingpin =)

        Anonymous(Madison) junglist  good dark side stuff
        
        Huggie -  Caffeine presents....   great lighter progressive house
and trance

        Laurent Garnier.... from his mix mag CD.... this is also great.
Has to be from the #1 Euro DJ!

                So if you're interested please contact me, i'd really
appreciate it
                        
                                                peace, 
                                                        Marc


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OK...the subject says it all....now what do you guys think...the only
type of experience I have with the stuff is through the movie the
Doors(awesome movie....) and a few war movies about the 60's(Vietnam and
whatnot.)Anyway...I am attempting to score some of the schtuff sooner
than you think so.....any information on the efx or experiences to share
with me and the others!

Liq.


******************************************************************************
Michael L. Grimes
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fax:(will know soon)
phone:(will know sooner than fax)

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>
>so if you're going to write anything slanderous or verging-on-slanderous,
>you damn well better be prepared to face the consequences.  being: loss
>of credibility, lawsuit, negtive vibe, etc.
>
>++
>e d
>

I don't mean to pick on Ed here.  Actually I picked Ed's post to
reply to because it doesn't inspire a flame in me but rather
raises a topic that I am concerned about. I don't have much feeling
about this particular flame war because 1. it just doesn't interest
me and 2. I don't believe half the shit that people write on this
list because let's face it everyone is so spaced out on hallucinogenics
and speed all the time that you can't believe anything they say.

I agree that slander is not good.  But the idea that here on mw-raves
we are always on a happy vibe and if you have any anger to express
you should take your negative vibe somewhere else is dangerous and
repressive.  If you noticed I haven't posted in a long time and that
is because I am tired of being bashed into dullness by new age smiley
blow pop police every time I express an emotion like indignation.
What I'm getting at is that anger is one of our most important
survival instincts and it is neurotic to stifle it.  Now there
is a healthy way to express anger and that is to express directly and
clearly what is bothering you.  I think that the reason we have so
many useless flame wars is because people don't express themselves
when they need to and then it comes out inappropriately and it leads to
a big vicious circle.  But I think I'd even prefer that to a big
happy Brady Bunch mw-raves family who paint smiles on their faces
and dose themselves with drugs and blowpops and unhealthy levels of
electronic sensual stimulation so that they can hide from the pain
inside themselves while they break.

I am aware that I am taking this discussion out of the sphere
of those uplifting messages we see on the flyers (kinda remind me
of Hallmark cards) but I am not trying to sell any tickets.

I'm glad PP is at least giving a nod to reality by holding an
event called Sickness and I'm sure they'll still sell plenty.

Take care,

Mark Josef





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Thanks everyone for the get well notes dropped in my mailbox...

I've missed out on an entire week of work with ear infections in both of
my ears, really bad strep (sp) throat and a minor sinus infection. After
two trips to the doctor and multiple medications... I am getting better. 

I really wanted to go to Vanishing point last weekend too... especially
to redeem myself of the crime of attending that Chicago travesty 303.3...

Oh well ... have fun this weekend... I'm going to be taking it real easy,
I don't want to screw up my recovery.

lata
sk
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> raises a topic that I am concerned about. I don't have much feeling
> about this particular flame war because 1. it just doesn't interest
> me and 2. I don't believe half the shit that people write on this
> list because let's face it everyone is so spaced out on hallucinogenics
> and speed all the time that you can't believe anything they say.

excuse me? _EVERYONE_ is on hallucinogens and speed at all times? I don't
believe you're saying that. Maybe you're spaced out on speed and
hallucinogens. Of course, we all know that speed and hallucinogens have
one effect: THEY MAKE YOU LIE.  whatever. Leave your generalizations
somehere else.  Not everyone does drugs here.  In fact, it's probably
about a 50/50 split.  Of course, you won't believe that because i'm a
member of mw-raves and thus 'spaced out on speed and hallucinogens'  


> is because I am tired of being bashed into dullness by new age smiley
> blow pop police every time I express an emotion like indignation.

want a blow-pop?

> What I'm getting at is that anger is one of our most important
> survival instincts and it is neurotic to stifle it.  Now there
> is a healthy way to express anger and that is to express directly and
> clearly what is bothering you.  I think that the reason we have so

why don't you do just that? it must be clearly bothering you that we're
all spaced out on speed and hallucinogens. and it's healthy to tell us all
that we shouldn't believe each other because of it.

> many useless flame wars is because people don't express themselves
> when they need to and then it comes out inappropriately and it leads to

I express myself plenty.  Of course, i _DO_ have other outlets besides
mw-raves. But I'm sure you and others have seen the non-blowpoppy side of
me.  So that's ot the reason I'm flaming here. The reason i'm flaming is
because you just accused me (along with 499 other subscribers) of being
non-trustworthy because of a drug habit.  Please be a little more careful
what you write.

let me quote you again:

> list because let's face it everyone is so spaced out on hallucinogenics
                             ^^^^^^^^
> and speed all the time that you can't believe anything they say.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^      
 


> a big vicious circle.  But I think I'd even prefer that to a big

you'd prefer a world of total viciousness to a world of total happiness?
heaven or hell, buddy. it's your choice.

> happy Brady Bunch mw-raves family who paint smiles on their faces
> and dose themselves with drugs and blowpops and unhealthy levels of
> electronic sensual stimulation so that they can hide from the pain
> inside themselves while they break.

Is it so wrong to escape from your pain for a few hours a week?  Should we
be expected to face our pain every waking hour of our lives? No.  I have
pain in my life- more than you can imagine.  Should I take my pain to
parties and be an asshole to everyone there? Would you prefer that to me
bringing blow-pops and stickers and a big smile?  Would you rather have
the scene filled with angst-ridden goth types sitting around frowning and
wearing all black, or would you like smiling people on E dancing?  The
rave is about PLUR- we all know what it means.  It's a chance to leave
your problems at home and just dance, smile, do drugs (or not), whatever.
Do you
think that just because someone at a rave is smiling and handing out
blowpops they are always like that?  That because they smile to you at a
rave they have no problems? Now this list is more lke ravers in real life.
We express our problems here, we complain here, but we also are happy
here.  Blowpops don't exist in cyberspace. Drugs can't be sent via e-mail.
If mw-raves is the only place where you can express your anger and pain,
you're a sorry fellow.  


> I am aware that I am taking this discussion out of the sphere
> of those uplifting messages we see on the flyers (kinda remind me
> of Hallmark cards) but I am not trying to sell any tickets.

Would you like to see a flyer that says 'life sucks. cuy your wrists.'???
Don't you get it? We don't have to face our problems 24 hours a day!
That's what television's about. It's what exercise and sports are about.
It's what having friends is about.  And more to the point, it's very much
what raves are about. Sure there is sadness, anger, hate, and plenty of
'negative' emotions in what you call real life. But there's also plenty of
'positive' emotions, such as happiness, love, peace, and bliss.  Raves are
about emphasizing those emotions.  They aren't about denying the other
emotions.  You see them at raves too: the kid having a bad trip, the
insecure person putting others down.  However, raves are, first and
foremost, a form of ENTERTAINMENT.  When we lose sight of this, when we
think raves encompass all aspects of life, that's when we get pissed and
say "where's the reality???"  

You don't live and breathe raves; there's only one or 2 every week (in a
big city!) So why should you expect to feel all of life's wide range of
emotions at a rave? We're not always happy, true.  But remeber that we're
not always mad either.  

by denying yourself happiness, you're NOT keeping a firm foot in reality.
Living a life of all hate and pain is just as unhealth as completely
denying your hate and pain.  Emotions work in cycles; some days we're sad,
others we're happy.  (unless we're on prozac. then we're always fine,
which is in no way the same as good)  If you deny the angry cycle, you're
living in a dream world. nobody does this completely, believe it or not.
But denying happiness will put you in a very different dream-world.


if you dont agree with me, fine.  The world would be boring if everyone
felt the same way.  Hell, if everyone on this list felt the same way, it
woud get boring too! If there's any part of my message that you don't
understand, ask me.  I sometimes get caught up in my own thoughts and when
they come out they dont make much sense. I hope that hasn't happened here.

I'm going to send you a copy of minneapolis idea project once it gets
printed.  I'm going to have a more solidified piece along these same
lines.

> I'm glad PP is at least giving a nod to reality by holding an
> event called Sickness and I'm sure they'll still sell plenty.

okay, i'll make this quick.  I think that other parties, ones with names
like 'refreshed' or 'love revolution' or 'bubbilicious' or 'wonderland'
are giving an equal-sized nod to reality. Don't deny happiness. It's
there, it's just as real as unhappiness.

my opinions are, of course, mine. flame away if you are so inclined.

If i ever meet you at a party, i'll give you a blow-pop.  you dont have to
take it, but I do have to offer it.  (dont worry, they're not laced!)

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  1 22:55:39 1996
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Liquid PleAsurE... wrote:
> 
> OK...the subject says it all....now what do you guys think...the only
> type of experience I have with the stuff is through the movie the
> Doors(awesome movie....) and a few war movies about the 60's(Vietnam and
> whatnot.)Anyway...I am attempting to score some of the schtuff sooner
> than you think so.....any information on the efx or experiences to share
> with me and the others!
> 
> Liq.

Well, all i know is: puke for a day...trip for 4 or 5 daus if it's real 
and good.  Never done it myself, but i know a few that have.  I guess 
it's nothing at all like the synthetic stuff/mescaline (which i'd 
greatly avoid).
Let us know how it works out. Peace.

	Andy
	S.A.C.

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Be careful.  I love natural hallucinogens, but I have heard that the stuff
is seriously powerful.  If you score some, I hope your not planning on doing
anything for, oh, a couple of days.  You might want to see if you can get
Mescaline.  It is tamer, but a good ride.  Microdots (Synthetic Mesc.) is
cool too.  A real nice, warm vibe. From the earth.  Good auditory and visual
shit.  Doesnt make you all nervous and jittery like unnatural stuff like
acid.  As with any of this shit, be careful, open your mind and try to use
your trip in a constructive manner.  Learn something from it, let it unlock
the deep doors in your mind that you didnt know were there.  In other words,
dont trip and then run around outside with a bunch of folks and act like a
goon, unless you get off on it.  Sure its fun, but a warm, secure place to
trip is top notch, especially with a few good friends and some kickin
music.....Let the journey begin,,,<----HION


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ok, here's a little request to everyone out there in mw-raves land.  I
would like to get a few people to read some of my writing that will
(possibly) be going into issue #1 of minneapolis idea project.  I don't
want to post it all out onto the list until we're fully sure that the zine
is ready for printing.  So what i'd like is just a few people, it doesn't
need to be more than 1 or 2, to read what i've written and tell me what
you think.  I want you to pick it apart!  If there's bad wording in a
sentence, let me know.  If an idea is just silly or lame, let me know.
That's the kind of people i want to help me out here.  I'm just trying to
make sure my articles are top-notch! 

so if you want to read my stuff, please email me. I'm not gonna send my
stuff off to everyone, because I want to our zine a surprise until it
comes out (or at least until the web page is ready!) 

Josh, I already sent you everything I have, seeing how you're the other
half of the zine!

thank you so much,

chris, the insecure zinester

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug  2 01:48:56 1996
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alright, first Afrikka Bambataa is cut from the dj list...

then, the date is moves from the 9th to the 14th...

NOW HEAR THIS:   Westbam has now been replaced by Andrew Weatherhall (uk)]

and not to mention these Orb problems that no one seems to be sure about...

UGH....

this is the final blow to make me decide not to attend the cleveland show....

but one day later for $1.50 mroe i can see Carl Cox, LTJ Bukem, Tayla and MC Conrad....

but the choice is up to all of you...
i still urge you to try to make it toone of these shows as it will prove to be a very interesting evening, that i am sure of...

take care...

--jeff/stuff (that guy)

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug  2 08:12:15 1996
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its funny, but i dont hear people talk about exciting new music as often as
they do about music that was on the scene 5 years ago.  have things slowed
down (or mainstreamed)  that much that we all feel nostalgic for "the day"?
 i dont have anything against the old stuff, but theres some exciting new
music out there that makes you wanna....  well, do things.  

and i wonder what the old music means to us.  if it doesnt somehow represent
a time when things were different.

hmmmm.  thought provoking.  yes.  hmmmmm.

aaron

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Sorry for the crosspost.. I'll keep it short. :)

I have a new tape for sale.. Merrick Brown - Energy Disturbance - 7/25/96

Cost is $7, High quality 90 minute chrome cassette, color j-card, music
ranging from hard techno to trance to acid. E-mail for track listing or
questions or send checks to: 

Merrick Brown
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Thanks!

Merrick


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ok, ok, ok.
i do NOT want to get flamed here, but i read this post (both
prof. earache's and tamzin's) and i wanted to add my thoughts.

i am "sXe."  however, i certainly don't give anyone rules about 
what they should and shouldn't do with drugs and how they should 
live their lives.  so i think that to generalize about all "sXe" 
people is a bit over the edge.  

i know plenty about drugs.  all kinds.  i experimented when i was
only 14-15 (my freshman year in high school) and i learned plenty.
i don't have a totally negative outlook on them, but i do when 
it comes to MY life.  i overdosed on heroine and speed and had 
3 cardiac arrests in 4 days.  i will have serious heart problems 
for the rest of my life.  that's why i don't do them.  i don't even
smoke pot, and i don't drink hardly at all anymore.  that's my 
decision, based on my experiences, tho.

most of my friends experiment with drugs, and i don't say anything 
about it because i don't need to.  they know that i've probably done
more than all of them combined, and they understand that, just because
i don't do them anymore, doesn't mean i don't think they should. or 
that i have anything to say about their habits, as they are.

i just wanted to say that i get teased sometimes because i don't 
experiment with drugs anymore, and i really don't see the reason for
it.  i did my experimentation.  so when i read posts like prof.
earache's, it kind of makes me a little angry to hear that some people
out there think that all sXe people are these harrassing, righteous,
condemning people.  i don't think that's fair.  i just wanted to tell
you my opinion on this topic.

as for drugs as a part of the scene, i've been in various scenes across
the country for 4 years now, and drugs are a huge part of it.  personally,
i don't think it's good to go to a party for the drugs.  i prefer
to think that the music is the reason most people go, or rather, i hope
it is.  and, although i know that's not true sometimes, the music is 
the foundation of the scene, anyway (IMHO).  as corny as it sounds, i
get as much of a high from the music now as i did from drugs when i
used to use at parties.  i know that sounds lame, but it's really true.
i've learned to appreciate the music a little more.  

that's just my experience, though.  

hope i didn't offend anyone, just wanted to add my own thoughts to 
this thread...

*take to the sky*
blanketgirl

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There is great new stuff! But some of us got into the scene years ago and
love the old stuff, too. Is it nostalgia? Some of this stuff is only a couple
of years old! When I think of nostalgia, I think of the guys in the bar where
I spun in college. They'd ask me to play the songs they heard in the 80's
when they were in high school. Since I went to high school back then, I got
caught up in the Simple Minds, U2, and Frankie Goes to Hollywood, too.
But techno is a bit different. It's ephemeral music. It's whole nature is not
to stagnate, or perpetuate. The movement towards newer sounds is almost a
one-upmanship. That's great because the music stays fresh. On the other hand,
some great music is forgotten. Some of the stuff I hear at raves now makes no
musical sense. What I mean by that is, sometimes music is forgotten at the
expense of the newest fad.

I'm a classical radio announcer now, and studied at Juilliard for two years.
>From the time I was three I've been involved in music. I know a little about
what endures and why. There isn't a secret formula. But certain music stays
simply because it sounds good, and makes a person feels good. A lot of techno
is like this, while some sounds really awful. This isn't so much nostalgia as
it is getting caught up in good songs. O'Fortuna, Time Bomb, Plastic Dreams,
Dominator, Das Boot, and their counterparts still sound fresh. Then again,
the Tresor III disk I have sounded outdated before it went into my car deck
five minutes after I bought it. Why? Where's the music????

I love techno. I like the new, the old and will like the stuff to come.
It's fun music. It's music to dream to, dance to, make love to, and simply
mellow out to. It's music for the now. But that doesn't mean only the stuff
being created now. I leave nostalgia for those listening to dinosaur 45's
thinking about the good ol' days. When I listen to my techno disks, I'm
thinking about right here, right now. That's not nostalgia.

This isn't flame bait, for those of you who love flaming for the sake of
flaming. This is just to say that I love all the music. Some is better, some
sounds like it was made in a garage with an old DX7 and an old Fostex 4-trk.
But it's still music, and it makes me wanna dance! So, I dance. I don't care
if the dj stinks, or spins the latest tunes, or is the hippest dresser. I don't
wear phat gear; I wear whatever feels good to me. If that is my 501's, then I
don my 501's, CK's, or J. Riggings khakis. I don't care. What matters is the
music and where it takes me. This isn't suggesting a great performance by
a DJ isn't impressive. But in the end one thing matters: the music. Without
it we'd have a bunch of lights, a warehouse full of oddly dressed youngsters,
and nothing to bond with. Damned shame that would be, eh?

There was a DJ back in Buffalo a few years ago who would throw in Apotheosis,
Messiah, Moby, and 808 State, into his sets. One time he spun My Life With
The Thrill Kill Kult's "Sex on Wheelz". Everytime he did this, the place would
go crazy! Why? People recognized it, identified with it, and went with it. . .
And a great time was had by all. :-)

Peace and good cheer,
John-Andrew

-An endorphine, adrenaline junkie.

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On 8/2/96, AJIA TOWN wrote:


>i am "sXe."  however, i certainly don't give anyone rules about
>what they should and shouldn't do with drugs and how they should
>live their lives.  so i think that to generalize about all "sXe"
>people is a bit over the edge.
>


        I used to be straightedge.  My experiences with that group were
pretty bad.  Harrasment of non straight people (drug wise) was the norm.
Imposing your belief systems on others in ANY situation is just plain
fucked up.  I'm NOT saying that all sXe people are like that, BUT the
majority that -I- have dealt with were.  Perhaps thats why jong was
generalizing. His experiences with them may have been bad.


>i just wanted to say that i get teased sometimes because i don't
>experiment with drugs anymore, and i really don't see the reason for
>it.  i did my experimentation.  so when i read posts like prof.
>earache's, it kind of makes me a little angry to hear that some people
>out there think that all sXe people are these harrassing, righteous,
>condemning people.  i don't think that's fair.  i just wanted to tell
>you my opinion on this topic.
>

        As far as getting teased for not using drugs, all I have to say is
FUCK those people.  I have more respect for people who can honestly say,
'No, i don't use drugs and it's MY choice' than the soopa phat coolio
rave-stylie people who could injest the entire Sandoz lab if they put their
mind to it.


>as for drugs as a part of the scene, i've been in various scenes across
>the country for 4 years now, and drugs are a huge part of it.  personally,
>i don't think it's good to go to a party for the drugs.  i prefer
>to think that the music is the reason most people go, or rather, i hope
>it is.  and, although i know that's not true sometimes, the music is
>the foundation of the scene, anyway (IMHO).  as corny as it sounds, i
>get as much of a high from the music now as i did from drugs when i
>used to use at parties.  i know that sounds lame, but it's really true.
>i've learned to appreciate the music a little more.


        People like to give lip service to the music, but sometimes I
wonder.  I saw various people at Vanishing Point in Madison this past
weekend all fucked up and stumbling around talking about nothing else
besides drugs.  Did I ever see them dancing? No.  Did I see them around the
back area by the dj's or the sound system? no.  All I saw them doing was
being fucked up and talking about how fucked up they were.  grrr...

        Drugs are fun.  BUT, so is the music.  (even more so)

And besides, we all know that Jong owns Sandoz and consumes more that 3/4
of their secret drug output. The rest he sells to nuns.  Interaktive
Nettworks indeed..  ;)





                                                        -jp

                                                        <incessantly lulling.>
                                                        <randomly
stimulating>



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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Jeff S. Stern wrote:

> alright, first Afrikka Bambataa is cut from the dj list...

probably the brightest move they could have made.

> 
> then, the date is moves from the 9th to the 14th...
> 
> NOW HEAR THIS:   Westbam has now been replaced by Andrew Weatherhall (uk)]

Actually, Andrew Weatherhall is probably the better dj of the 2 so you are
trading up here.


> 
> and not to mention these Orb problems that no one seems to be sure about...
> 
> UGH....
> 
> this is the final blow to make me decide not to attend the cleveland show....
> 
> but one day later for $1.50 mroe i can see Carl Cox, LTJ Bukem, Tayla and MC Conrad....

Where is this? 

> 
> but the choice is up to all of you...
> i still urge you to try to make it toone of these shows as it will prove to be a very interesting evening, that i am sure of...
> 
> take care...
> 
> --jeff/stuff (that guy)
> 



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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Joseph C. Alfe wrote:

> Be careful.  I love natural hallucinogens, but I have heard that the stuff
> is seriously powerful.  If you score some, I hope your not planning on doing
> anything for, oh, a couple of days.  You might want to see if you can get
> Mescaline.  It is tamer, but a good ride.  Microdots (Synthetic Mesc.) is
> cool too.  A real nice, warm vibe. From the earth.  Good auditory and visual
> shit.  Doesnt make you all nervous and jittery like unnatural stuff like
> acid.  As with any of this shit, be careful, open your mind and try to use

Hate to tell you but, LSD is as natural as peyote.

I really wish people would get their facts straight.




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> its funny, but i dont hear people talk about exciting new music as often as
> they do about music that was on the scene 5 years ago.  have things slowed
> down (or mainstreamed)  that much that we all feel nostalgic for "the day"?
>  i dont have anything against the old stuff, but theres some exciting new
> music out there that makes you wanna....  well, do things.  

i wasn't around 'back in the day.'  I love the new school stuff- i think
everyone does.  But at the same time, it's all around us.  You're hearing
new and  exciting music every time you go to a rave.  It's not everyday
that you hear an old skool set though.  that's the way I see it anyways. 

> and i wonder what the old music means to us.  if it doesnt somehow represent
> a time when things were different.

couldn't answer this one. I wasnt around then. :) I think it just has a
different energy to it-  a lot of older stuff just feels different than
new stuff, and it's refreshing to hear a totally different set.  Plus,
there were a lot of 'fun' tracks back then. (like that speed racer one!)
Boy, I have dreams of making tracks with silly samples in them...
Something that would make you dance like nuts but you'd be laughing your
ass of at the same time because the samples were so cheezy.  Alas, i have
no skillz in creating music...

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> i just wanted to say that i get teased sometimes because i don't 
> experiment with drugs anymore, and i really don't see the reason for
> it.  i did my experimentation.  so when i read posts like prof.
> earache's, it kind of makes me a little angry to hear that some people
> out there think that all sXe people are these harrassing, righteous,
> condemning people.  i don't think that's fair.  i just wanted to tell
> you my opinion on this topic.

Okay, there's something that's been bugging me for a while.  What does sXe
mean? I mean, i get the concept- straightedge, right?  But where does the
term 'sXe' come from?  Some people climbed up on a captain morgan
billboard at the U of M and  spray-apinted it 6 feet high across the whole
sign.  I think those might be the people earache is referring to.

> i don't think it's good to go to a party for the drugs.  i prefer
> to think that the music is the reason most people go, or rather, i hope
> it is.  and, although i know that's not true sometimes, the music is 
> the foundation of the scene, anyway (IMHO).  as corny as it sounds, i

I go for the music! (duh) I think everyone on this list is there for the
music.  Durgs very rarely take part in my rave experience (other than some
mini-thins to keep me going...) and while it's true that there are people
that go for no other reason than drugs, i like to be optimistic and tell
myself that they're in the minority.  I do know that a few people I went
to highschool with go to a lot of rave in the summer.  I though that they
were only there for the drugs (if you met them you'd know why) But it
turns uot that they all really like the music as well!  So that was a cool
thing.

> hope i didn't offend anyone, just wanted to add my own thoughts to 
> this thread...

no offense here! 

chris e

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This droped in my mailbox.. thought some of you looking for some natural
visuals might enjoy  checking this out...

< snip

After midnight on the 11th and 12th, the Perseid meteors are at their peak...

http://www.nj.com/shine/aug96.html

They fall like rain.  Your jaw will drop, your spine will tingle.

Set an alarm.  They're worth losing sleep over.

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Did anyone from minneapolis go to see Terry spin last night at orgasm?
That uniti club thing?  I haven't had much faith in uniti, especially
those club things they;ve done in the past. But now they've got a cool
space (room #2 from one-der) and it looks like they're trying to bring in
some out of town DJs for it too.  I might go check it out next week.  

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well, it looks like I won't be making it to windsor this weekend for
sickness... So I'll be going to Spundae here in minneapolis.  Which by the
way should be a pretty good party... Kimball Collins, Scott Hardkiss,
Simon, Henrik Rosaal, Chad Minddrive, and lights, lasers, and projections
by Dimension Seven from sanfansisco!  Too bad it'll probably be $18...

So is anyone else going to go? Let me know, i'll stop and say hi.  I'll
give you a blow-pop if I decide to buy some.  I should have minneapolis
idea project flyers by then if I get my act together and get to kinko's...

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug  2 11:03:04 1996
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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 Beatcrazed@aol.com wrote:

> its funny, but i dont hear people talk about exciting new music as often as
> they do about music that was on the scene 5 years ago.  have things slowed
> down (or mainstreamed)  that much that we all feel nostalgic for "the
> day"?

It's sad but the average time someone  actually spends actively attending
raves is only about 2 years. Mainly because the majority of those in
attendance are there _primarily_ for the chemical party favors...

my point....

Last year at an event called Frost in Madison... Reese was flying thru an
amazing set of funky trance... then what happened... Magic... He dropped
in 'Fruit of Love'.... The new kids had never heard this chewn before...
it was like looking at a time lapse mirror of how we must have looked when
we heard that song for the first time. Some music is timeless.

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hmm ...

i tend to believe that anger can always be good, that destruction always
precludes construction and that this fear of "wrecking yourself" is pretty
gosh darn silly because life is nothing but that cyclic redundancy of
building up and tearing down yourself - unless you take shelter and shield
yourself, but what fun is that?

and about the drug thing.  whatever.  to those that posted me privately
saying "it's too bad you have to use drugs to defeat your insecurity" - a)
i'm not insecure and b) 80% of the time I am more than OK with being
reserved and withdrawn.  anything I've learned is to always judge a
situation before you jump into the middle of it, and the same goes with
people.  you waste alot less time fucking around with people who aren't
worth it yet (everyone has the potential of being worth it).  hence, my
okay-ness with being a quiet guy with his seemingly own agenda.  lot less
time I have to waste dealing with fuckers.

i guess my point with the drugZ post was to open people's fucking heads up
to the fact that kids who go to parties to only use drugs are not simple
cartoon characters and they aren't just people you can pass off.  not that
you have to reach out and help each one - but sure as shit you aren't any
better than them (which is what it came off to me as).  we all have faults
and ain't no one of us perfect, specially net.raverz.  the werld needs humility.

as for the stevie t thang.  i always try to keep my eye out for good flame
material and the particular piece that started that thread wasn't very well
put 2gether nor typed.  a good flame has to have certain attributes, a
certain elegance in it's crassness.  a flame delivered crudely looses
effectiveness.  to flame well, you need a tight, strong delivery that
somehow says to your audience that you possess intelligence greater than
your intended target - or, if not that, that  you can certainly punch lower
than your victim.

that particular post wasn't even worth the last paragraph I just typed in,
so I wouldn't sweat it mister tsang.

earache

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug  2 12:04:32 1996
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Subject: Sarah McLachlan Live Web-cast (fwd)
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It isn't techno, but her music rocks, nonetheless.


- stevenJ

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:21:04 -0800
From: Nettwerk Productions <info@nettwerk.com>
Subject: Sarah McLachlan Live Web-cast

Hey there,

A web site known as LA Live is doing a cyber-cast (using RealAudio) of the
Sarah McLachlan Burbank show from the Starlight Bowl. The broadcast will
take place on Sunday August 4 at 7:00PM Pacific time. (It is a pre-recorded
broadcast of the August 3rd show.) You will need RealAudio to hear the show.

All details are on the LA Live site  at the following URL:

         http://www.lalive.com/sarah/index.html

It is recommended that you arrive early to catch it. (This may mean
spending time elsewhere on the site but it also ensures that you are able
to connect. The site features chat rooms, etc.)

Hope many of you can check it out!

ad
Adam Drake
Internet Services
Nettwerk Productions

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"Davis J. Bassan B.S." <frenche@iglou.com> said...
> Hate to tell you but, LSD is as natural as peyote.
> 
> I really wish people would get their facts straight.

Last time I checked the production of LSD is a process of chemical
synthesizing.  Is a synthesized chemical natural?  IMHO, about as much
as an iron girder is natural.  Yes, it's made of 'natural' compounds,
but I don't believe LSD (or an iron girder, for that matter) is found
ANYwhere in nature, naturally.


- stevenJ
http://hyperreal.com/~stevenj/

Occupied America

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wHERE IS the best place to meteor watch??? Anywhere...or what???


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> hey all you bad little kiddies out there in mwraves land... :P

wouldn't you know it, not here more than 30 seconds and already i see
a bad little kiddie doing bad little things. he is sucking on a
balloon. now this is not an ordinary balloon, it is a balloon filled
with the gas nitrous oxide. laughing gas. but this is no laughing
matter...
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> Microdots (Synthetic Mesc.) is
	     ^^^^^^^^^
> cool too.  A real nice, warm vibe. From the earth.  Good auditory and visual
> shit.  Doesnt make you all nervous and jittery like unnatural stuff like
> acid.						      ^^^^^^^^^

so if it's synthetic, how can it be natural?
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hi. i'm a l'il new to this but here's a question/cry for advice. what is 
mini thin? why is it done so much at raves? and what should i be worried 
about if i take it?

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From: "Hennigar, Sean" <hennigar@on.bell.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.rave,alt.rave.safe,ncf.sigs.techno-rave
To: NE-RAVES <ne-raves@world.std.com>, MW-RAVES <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>,
        wnysor-l <WNYSOR-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject: P3 and Sunphlour contacts


For those of you who have been in correspondance with me regarding the
Phat Planet Project or the Sunphlour Cru, I will be off-line for the
next two weeks (heading to Upstate Groove tomorrow then wandering
aimlessly for a few weeks).

Scott Lazaruk (aj035@freenet.carleton.ca) can take over as the contact
for P3.  His archive of the project is available at:

         http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~aj035

I'd encourage people to continue the discussion on alt.rave, ne-raves,
mw-raves, and wnysor-l since there are people following the threads on
each of those lists and newsgroups.

Anyone needing to contact the Sunphlour Cru can reach us at:

sunphlour@comnet.ca

are web site is at:

http://www.comnet.ca/~sunphlour/

plurf,

Sean
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hey y'all outhere in geekland, i have a quexion......

	who here has tried CoolTalk, the "voice chat" plugin that comes with 
3.0b5 Netscape?  it's supposedly an audio chat program...but i have not 
gotten it to work (yet).  what i would like to do is connect the line out 
of the back of my mixer to my soundcard and play records for someone in a 
distant location.  full-duplex communication (we can both talk at the same 
time) is not *essential* and CD-quality sound is not either, but i would 
kinda like to have the best quality sound i could muster.  RealAudio is 
out because i'm not using win95 (or planning to anytime soon)...and am 
mostly interested in linking up with one listener/ing station at a time.

oh, i have a 28.8 modem & 486 w/win3.1

thoughts?

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From: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: anger and shit
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i'm not going to respond to the whole message as you've explained your 
point of view and i have already explained mine ... however, i do want to 
respond to this last paragraph which i have kept attached:

you point out that the piece about some stevie guy wasn't well typed - 
now, i never even read that post but, i;m just curious to know what you 
consider "well-written"?  ... i'm asking because your own posts are 
filled with curses and insults and generalizations.

neway, i don't want to cause any stress - 
guess  we'll agree to disagree ... 

-tamzin 


>On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Professor Earache wrote:
 
> as for the stevie t thang.  i always try to keep my eye out for good flame
> material and the particular piece that started that thread wasn't very well
> put 2gether nor typed.  a good flame has to have certain attributes, a
> certain elegance in it's crassness.  a flame delivered crudely looses
> effectiveness.  to flame well, you need a tight, strong delivery that
> somehow says to your audience that you possess intelligence greater than
> your intended target - or, if not that, that  you can certainly punch lower
> than your victim.
> 

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Organization: Plus 8 Records Limited
To: idm@hyperreal.com
Subject: Directions to Sickness/Recovery


Sorry about the massive posting.  List admins; if you could forward this
to your list, many details have changed, and people need to know.
Thanks.


Directions to SICKNESS/RECOVERY

Doors open 10 pm.

Open Air Event w/ Dance Tent

Please bring supplies - Drinks, food, blankets, etc.
**No Glass Bottles***

DJ's:   Eric Haupt 10-12
        Jeff Mills 12-?
        Richie Hawtin ?-?
        John Acquaviva ?-?

Please arrive early to avoid lines and backups at the border...
Remember proper, photo ID for the border.

Directions:
        
>From Detroit:  Take bridge to Canada
                Follow signs to 401 East to London/Toronto
                Take 401 East
                Exit 63 - Turn right @ Hwy.#2 East
                Turn Left at County Rd.#7 (Merlin Rd.)
                Follow road to right towards Chatham
                Turn left at Kent Rd.
                Over bridge, follow Kent Rd., will turn
                into gravel road now Jacob Rd.
                Turn Left at Rivard Line - 1st Stop sign
                Approx. 1 km on right hand side.
                Address: 5933 Rivard Line, Dover, Kent County
                Turning right before house at side of cornfield
                Follow to the back of field.

                Approx. 45 Min. from Bridge.


>From London/Toronto:

                Take Exit 81 turn right at Bloomfield Rd. (On 401 after
Chatham)
                Turn Left at Traffic Lights (Highway #2 West)   
                Turn Right at County Rd. #7 (Merlin Rd)
                Follow road to right (towards Chatham)
                Turn Left at Kent Rd. (over bridge) 
                Follow Kent Rd., will turn into a gravel road
                Turn Left at Rivard Line - 8th Concession (1st Stop
sign)
                Approx. 1 km on right hand side. 
                Turning right before house at side of cornfield.
                Follow to the back of the field.

                
INFO line # is (810) 772-2423.

HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE THERE.

Plastikprodukts/Plus 8 Records.


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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Liquid PleAsurE... wrote:

> OK...the subject says it all....now what do you guys think...the only
> type of experience I have with the stuff is through the movie the
> Doors(awesome movie....) and a few war movies about the 60's(Vietnam and
> whatnot.)Anyway...I am attempting to score some of the schtuff sooner
> than you think so.....any information on the efx or experiences to share
> with me and the others!

Peyote is a cactus, rather hard to come by as far as I know. I've done 
microdots of Mescaline, which is the halluicinogenic chemical in Peyote. 
I'd say it's better done at home than at a rave, because its effects are 
sometimes subtle and easily overlooked. When I did it at home I 
experienced very complex, detalied closed-eye-visuals (CEV), and almost 
no open-eye-visuals (OEV), but then again I hardly ever get OEV. Tactile 
stimulation was greatly increased, there was no sense of fear or 
paranoia, as sometimes happens with LSD... I felt a strange, 
profound connection with the earth, as a being and a mother, in fact 
I had a fabulous time rolling around on her for about an hour. It 
messes with your sense of balance or something, summersaults are 
delightfully disorienting. :) It lasted 4 to 6 hours I 
think... no hard comedown at all, I took a plane ride and laughed a lot 
afterwards... smoking pot along with it dramatically changes the 
character of the experience, makes it uniquely unlike marijuana or 
mescaline by themselves. In any case I've heard that a Peyote trip is 
usually much more intense that taking Mesc microdots since you're 
ingesting a larger amount, and from what I've read of it being used in 
Native American spiritual ceremonies it can cause intense, religious 
hallucinations, and vomiting (from all that vegetable matter you're 
ingesting). As with any hallucinogen, the first time you do it make sure 
you're calm, have no time restraints, are in a "safe" feeling environment 
with people you trust, and try to record something about your experience, 
whether it's you talking to a vidcam or writing poetry or prose or 
drawing with crayons or whatever. You can find more info about Peyote in 
the Hallucinogenics Encyclopedia, or from the North American Peyote 
Church, and probably on Hyperreal.

Hope that helps!

-Jeff

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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Smith, Walter wrote:

> me and 2. I don't believe half the shit that people write on this
> list because let's face it everyone is so spaced out on hallucinogenics
> and speed all the time that you can't believe anything they say.

Ahem. As a listmember, and therefore a part of the collective "everyone" 
you speak of, I must protest against this uninformed stereotyping. There 
are many people on this list who are straightedge, or only smoke pot, and 
there are people like me, who've sworn to never touch amphetamines (like 
speed), and I certainly don't feel that my hallucinogenic use has made me 
"spaced out".

Think before you insult, please.

-gage

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Interstellar Outback Ver 3.0 Beta......the search continues......
on August 16, 17 and 18 1996 somewhere in Kentucky.

DJ's :
3D (Chicago)
Aaron (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Astroboy (St Louis)
Acid Pimp (cheshire, Detroit)
Bliss (Baltimore)
Brad Peterson (Evolution)
Braidy (CBS, Cinci)
Casper (Jungle roots, Boston / strictly Jungle, Chicago)
Chip B (Nashville)
Corey (Just-us crew, Dayton)
Cosmic (33, Lexington)
Cosmic Tribe live pa (Nashville)
Cylert (Illuminators, Dayton)
Daemon (San Diego)
David Hollands (Minimal Wage, NYC)
Devil Girl (Connect, St Louis)
Devine (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Diesel Boy (Technical Itch Records, Pittsburg)
Door Mouse (Massive, WI)
Dylan Drazen (NYC, Boston)
Dzak (DBN)
Earth (Mineapolis)
Efex (Chicago)
Entity (Ultraword, Baltimore)
Ezra Kreeps (DBN)
Feelgood (Fever, Baltimore)
French E (Maxximum / Evolution)
Frequency M (Boston)
Halo (St Louis)
Hurricane (DBN)
Ian Mariano (Church, Cleveland)
Jedidiah (DBN)
Jeff Feller (Deep Grove, St Louis)
Jethrox (DBN)
Justin Long (Liquid Sky, Chicago)
Kaden (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Karma One (DBN)
Kell (Lexington)
Kimyon (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Kise (New Orleans)
Larry Breaks (Assembly required, Nashville)
Lettuce (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Leviathan (Evolution, Net DJ)
Matt Hawtin (Plus 8 record)
Mark Verbose live PA (Milwaukee)
Matt (Evolution)
Max (Indi)
May Day (Transcendece, Toronto)
Mind Candy (Cinci)
Mindrive (Madison, WI)
Mogli (CBS, Cinci)
Mutt (Lexington)
Oryan (DBN)
Paradoxe (Seatle)
Perri Ellis (Calico records, Cinci)
Physics (Connect, St Louis)
Razorguts and Derek live PA (RG! Productions, Knoxville)
Reese (Liquid Sky, NYC)
Richard Devine live PA (Atlanta, Connect records)
Rob (Better Day records, Louisville)
Roon (DBN)
Sho (San Fransisco)
Skinner (Industrial Strength records)
Slak (Strictly Jungle, Chicago)
Sleepy C (Psycho Active records, Cleveland)
Snuggles (Strictly Jungle, Chicago)
Star (Chicago, net DJ)
Strech (Cinci)
Sub Genius (Calico records, Cinci)
The Professor (St Louis)
Tigger (Reddnix productions, KY)
Trevor Lamont (Lexington, net dady dj)
Tripp (Just-us crew, Dayton)
Troll (CBS, Cinci)
Wilhelem K (Soiree Records)
Xian (Cinci)

Main stage sound system by Maxximum Sound and Lights
Main stage lighting by Eyegasm 
Main stage visuals by Optimystiq
Main stage laser by Centrax 

Second stage sound by Drop Bass Network

Third stage by Dynamic Groove and those net kids

Main Voice Mail Louisville-502.569.1969
Main Voice Mail Bluegrass-606.226.6850

Atlanta   404.659.1430
Baltimore  410.788.5543		
Chicago 312.409.6831 / 708.802.1438
Chicago-312.918.9084 / 312.509.6334      
Cleveland  216.238.1451
Evansville-812.474.4803                 
Indy-317.767.5957 / 317.869.4546          
Madison-608.258.0003 / 608.283.7856   
Milwaukee-414.777.3982 / 414.777.3998
Nashville-615.780.3730
Ohio-513.496.1071 / 216.258.1037          
St. Louis-314.994.1114 / 314.995.9518  
Voice E-mail or E-mail : Maxximum@msn.com

As always, Interstellar will be as inexpensive as possible.  Tickets will be 
$15 before aug. 1st, $17 until aug 15th and $20 at the door. This might seem 
lame to us, but we have chosen to throw down for a particularly plush 
location. This will provide full facilities for the weekend, camping, 
security, insurance, medical tent, We hope you appreciate a safe, happy 
campground with showers in real buildings, swimming pool as well as a rain 
protected stage in a huge meadow within the woods.  

This place is absolutely unbelievable, boasting running water and electricity 
for most of the campsites, natural trails, an onsite store, and numerous other 
amenities to make the weekend as enjoyable as possible. An event on any scale 
has to be done in a realistic manner and we hope our true intentions are 
clear.

Interstellar Outback will also be making a major contribution ot the SETI 
Institute. On Saturday, Dr. Seth Shostak of the SETI institute will deliver a 
presentation on the current state of affairs in the Seach for ExtraTerrestrial 
Intelligence. The SETI institute is home to the largest coordinated search for 
life in the universe. They sponsor numerous research projects aimed at 
determining if life exists elsewhere. The largest of these programs is Project 
Phoenix; the targeted radio survey of nearby stars.  It is this program that 
your Interstellar Outback admission will be supporting.

Tickets are available now by mail order. Send money order to (made out to 
Maxximum SL) :
Maxximum Sound and Lights
c/o IO3 tickets
2124 Sherwood Avenue, Suite 2
Louisville KY 40205
If we receive your order after the 12 of August , it will be too late to send 
your tickets back. So we will keep them at the gate for you. (Will call) Don't 
forget to include your return address. If you live around Louisville, you can 
get them at Better Days records (basement) on Bardstown road.

We would like to thank everyone who contributed to the IO experience.  People 
deserving thanks are too numerous to list, but a few have gone above and 
beyond and deserve additional recognition for their efforts.  So we give extra 
special shouts out to Drop Bass for years of support and bringing their sound 
system, Antares for promotion efforts, Optimystiq for their beautifull 
visuals, Maxximum for providing all the wonderful gear for the mainstage, and 
of course, JJ who got this whole crazy thing started. And the rest of you : 
you know who you are. 

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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Davis J. Bassan B.S. wrote:

> Hate to tell you but, LSD is as natural as peyote.
> 
> I really wish people would get their facts straight.

LSD-25 was syntehsized in a Sandoz lab by Albert Hoffman. Sounds pretty 
synthetic to me! But who cares if it's synthetic or natural? The 
question, to me, is one of purity/impurity, and knowing what you're 
getting. LSD is a powerful hallucinogen, and one I greatly respect. 
Should it matter to me if it came from a beaker or a south american 
plant? It always seemed to me that the people who will only do "natural" 
stuff (pot, shrooms, peyote) are afraid of synthesized chemicals because 
they do not understand them, and for some reason have an inherent 
distrust of anything that comes out of a lab. It's still an organic 
chemical... where do we draw the line?

-gage

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>It's sad but the average time someone  actually spends actively attending
>raves is only about 2 years. Mainly because the majority of those in
>attendance are there _primarily_ for the chemical party favors...



ive been attending raves for nearly five years...and now im promoting and 
all but on a couple occasions when i first started going had i been on 
drugs...i think that the music and the lights are intoxicating enough and 
that when the vibe is as thick as honey its one of the most beautiful 
experiences in the world....but i guess im just an exception to the rule

Jake


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From: Jeff Gage <j-gerard@uiuc.edu>
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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Enid wrote:

> hi. i'm a l'il new to this but here's a question/cry for advice. what is 
> mini thin? why is it done so much at raves? and what should i be worried 
> about if i take it?

They sell them at gas stations, marketed as diet pills. They have 
stimulants like caffeine, ephedrine, and sometimes stuff like ginseng and 
kava kava. Makes your heart speed up, your energy gets diverted to moving 
muscles instead of digesting, and you don't eat as much. The bad thing, 
besides that stimulants like that are generally hard on your body, 
especially your heart and liver, is that Mini Thins have Guaifenesin in 
them. Not too great for the stomach. 

Speaking of stimulants, if any of you are into herbal-E type products, go 
to your local health food store and look at the herbal diet pills. Exact 
same ingredients, and way cheaper. Not that I'm saying herbal-E type 
stuff is good, because I wouldn't know. I haven't read about the health 
benefits/risks, and I've never done it. But information is power. Use it.

-gage

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I don't know if he meant to send this to the list, but it's damn
interesting stuff, and worthy of discussion, so here ya go. :)

-jeff

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Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 16:45:39 -0400
From: "Hennigar, Sean" <hennigar@on.bell.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.rave,ncf.sigs.techno-rave
To: David Lowe <dlowe@best.com>
Cc: MW-RAVES <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>, NE-RAVES <ne-raves@world.std.com>,
        wnysor-l <WNYSOR-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject: Re: P3


David Lowe wrote:
> 
> Hey....
> 
>   Jay Parsons just pointed me to your web page (the P3 page).  Good stuff!
> I have to nit-pick though.  Ontological anarchism is not a new idea, it's
> been around since the 60's.  It's not really fair to talk about TAZs as
> though they were new ideas attributed to ravers and
> hackers/cyberpunks/cypherpunks.  It's true that these scenes are talking
> about TAZs more than before, but the TAZ (the book) was published in the
> mid-80s (exact date is unknown) and the relevant ideas have been around in
> both the hippy and punk cultures for ages.  That's just a nit-piick
> though.

I've said several times that nothing I was talking about was new.  I
referred to Bey's essays and I've been telling everyone to go read them
since he's the definitive source for these.  Some people seem to think
this is an original idea of mine but I keep trying to tell them it's
not.  Even on hyperreal, other people have written about the rave as a
TAZ back in '92.  What I'm trying to do is bring it back into focus with
ravers and lay out a concrete set of steps to turn the TAZ of the rave,
into a global, interconnected PAZ.  The idea of the virtual TAZ *is* a
new concept put forth by the cypherpunks.  At least, I haven't seen Bey
talk about it yet.  The original postings about P3 were informal
correspondance which is why they don't have proper references to source
material in them.  As soon as I get the time, I will write a better
document with proper references.

I agree that Bey is a far better commentator on TAZs/PAZs.  Everything
we've discussed on-line, he's already written about several years ago.
I hadn't read Bey's essays however, when P3 was started so I was amazed
at how closely our discussions on-line paralleled his ideas.  I think
the rave community is a perfect opportunity to implement what he's
talking about.  Bey is a bit more extreme regarding anarchism, religion,
and chaos and I agree with everything he says however, I don't think
it's practical to go out on the internet proposing the same things he
is.  It makes sense if you read him in depth, but at a passing glance,
most people would simply write it off, particularly on the internet
since there's so much religious nonsense on there.

I'm trying to lay out short term goals that can be realized quickly so
that we can actually get started on this.  As a long term project, it's
too abstract for most people to act on.  There are other groups that are
working along the same lines but I don't see much concrete action
happening because they're too intellectual.

>   Other than that, I really like the idea!  Although my personal
> experience with raving is that each rave is a seperate TAZ, a unique
> experience that is unrepeatable and immediate, unmediated and fantastic.
> But a TAZ has a beginning and an end.  I have never experienced a TAZ that
> could survive for very long without being swallowed, mediated, assimilated
> and/or discarded by pop culture, and eventually abandoned in favour of a
> new zone.

An actual rave is definitely a TAZ.  P3 is about using our skills as
ravers and extending the connections we make inside the rave out into a
more permanent community.  I'd like to see economic ties between rave
communities or even non-raver communities where we do business based on
the principles of PLUR.  Similarly, there are religious aspects to raves
(for some of us at least) that I think are worthwhile and should be
extended outside of the rave.  For me, any rave scene is a community -
that's what makes raving so different from the club scenes or any other
music scene.  If it were just parties, it'd wear thin pretty quickly but
this is a real subculture we're a part of.  There's many aspects of it
that offer real alternatives to the traditional society we live in.

>   Sean - I don't know if you figured this out yet, but I am the David Lowe
> from the 2600 meetings in Ottawa, before you stopped going.  I ran into

Yes, I had figured it out.  I couldn't remember your name from the 2600
meetings however, when you mentioned that you were related to Conner I
remembered the physical resembelance and it clicked in.

> you a number of times at a number of raves.  I have also been involved in
> prodcution of raves in Ottawa, and helped with underground events down
> here in SF.  My personal feeling is that raves, or at least underground
> raves, are already TAZs, and therefore don't need to be changed (though
> MORE is BETTER!).  The computer world is where I am currently focusing my
> energy, when it comes to creating world changing experiences and autonomy.
> 

I'm not proposing changing raves although I would like to see them
evolve to higher levels.  Raves are incredible but there's so much
potential to do more with them.  I don't know if you saw my postings
about intelligence raves and rave mythology but I can envision raves
that are several times more complex than what we've seen to date.  To
me, I see a rave as a complex system that has evolved over time and
consists of hundreds of more basic elements interconnected in complex
patterns.  Whether we like it or not, I think this system will evolve of
it's own accord although the process may be slow and subtle.  In a
complex system like the rave, even the simplest of actions can have
amazing and unforseen effects.  I'm not really hoping to control the
direction of raves, I just like to act on the system and let it behave
as it will - that's what I find so beautiful about it.

>   Also, the cypherpunks seek a permanent autonomous zone, wherein everyone
> is liberated from government via double-blinds, strong crypto, and
> eventually the downfall of the current governing system and financial
> system.  More power to them, I wish I could follow the math :)

I'm aware of what the cypherpunks are proposing and I think it would be
extremely useful to ravers.  The use of interconnected virtual PAZs
would be of great use in helping us construct physical PAZ in our rave
communities and eventually linking these up.  The construction of a
physical PAZ is a very long term and difficult task.  The virtual PAZ
can be used as a tool to help us with this.  I made references to the
cypherpunks because they have the most experience in building virtual
TAZs although they haven't gotten to the virtual PAZ stage yet.  Their
techniques are useful to us and I fully expect that in the later stages
of building PAZs, we'll come under attack for disturbing the status quo.
At this point, I'd like to be prepared to defend ourselves.  For some
good literature on this, refer to Bey's essay on infowarfare.

P3 is more than just proposing action, it's an effort to make people
realize what is already happening.  Everything I've mentioned, I fully
expect to happen whether anyone is conciously directing it or not.
However, I'd like to see us better prepared when it does so that we're
more aware of what's happening and we can give it a push in the right
direction when we want to.  When Bey wrote about TAZs and PAZs, he was
describing a phenomenon he'd already seen, not proposing new social
structures.

I'm glad you've taken an interest in this.  I suspect you've got better
skills for this kind of project than I do.  I'm going to be off-line for
the next two weeks but try and keep the discussions going on the
newsgroups.  Scott is taking over as the contact while I'm gone.  

plurf,

Sean
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>I don't mean to pick on Ed here.  Actually I picked Ed's post to
>reply to because it doesn't inspire a flame in me but rather
>raises a topic that I am concerned about. I don't have much feeling
>about this particular flame war because 1. it just doesn't interest
>me and 2. I don't believe half the shit that people write on this
>list because let's face it everyone is so spaced out on hallucinogenics
>and speed all the time that you can't believe anything they say.

yup!...you got it...all rave kidz are acid heads and speed phreaks...were
always phukked up...we dont have lives...were going nowhere...gawd!...what
kinda bullshit generalization is that to make about ppl you dont even
know?...i would say that yer prolly damn near 100% wrong on that comment, pal...

>I agree that slander is not good.  But the idea that here on mw-raves
>we are always on a happy vibe and if you have any anger to express
>you should take your negative vibe somewhere else is dangerous and
>repressive.  If you noticed I haven't posted in a long time and that
>is because I am tired of being bashed into dullness by new age smiley
>blow pop police every time I express an emotion like indignation.

awwwww...poor babyt...dont geyt me wrong...i agree...its not right  to deny
and/or repress feelings or emotions...but fer crissakes...what the phukk is
wrong with trying yer damndest to be happy...to be uplifting...is that
REALLY such a damn crime?...

>What I'm getting at is that anger is one of our most important
>survival instincts and it is neurotic to stifle it.  Now there
>is a healthy way to express anger and that is to express directly and
>clearly what is bothering you.  I think that the reason we have so
>many useless flame wars is because people don't express themselves
>when they need to and then it comes out inappropriately and it leads to
>a big vicious circle.  But I think I'd even prefer that to a big
>happy Brady Bunch mw-raves family who paint smiles on their faces
>and dose themselves with drugs and blowpops and unhealthy levels of
>electronic sensual stimulation so that they can hide from the pain
>inside themselves while they break.

oooooh....aNOTHER brash generalization...phukkin ay...*sukkin on a blowpop
with the stereo at 11 pumpin some acid tracks, as i drop a hit of acid*

>I am aware that I am taking this discussion out of the sphere
>of those uplifting messages we see on the flyers (kinda remind me
>of Hallmark cards) but I am not trying to sell any tickets.

*forcing a frown*

>I'm glad PP is at least giving a nod to reality by holding an
>event called Sickness and I'm sure they'll still sell plenty.
>
>Take care,
>
>Mark Josef

*hugs*kisses*love* (and all that other blowpop, hallucigenic induced vibe stuff)

JOSH!

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>well, it looks like I won't be making it to windsor this weekend for
>sickness... So I'll be going to Spundae here in minneapolis.  Which by the
>way should be a pretty good party... Kimball Collins, Scott Hardkiss,
>Simon, Henrik Rosaal, Chad Minddrive, and lights, lasers, and projections
>by Dimension Seven from sanfansisco!  Too bad it'll probably be $18...
>
>So is anyone else going to go? Let me know, i'll stop and say hi.  I'll
>give you a blow-pop if I decide to buy some.  I should have minneapolis
>idea project flyers by then if I get my act together and get to kinko's...

CHRIS...

you know ill be there!...what about everyone else from minneapolis on the
list?...lets do this this weekend...kimbal, scott, and carlos are gonna go
off you know!...and the others prolly will too! :)

*hugs*

JOSH!

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>Did anyone from minneapolis go to see Terry spin last night at orgasm?
>That uniti club thing?  I haven't had much faith in uniti, especially
>those club things they;ve done in the past. But now they've got a cool
>space (room #2 from one-der) and it looks like they're trying to bring in
>some out of town DJs for it too.  I might go check it out next week.  

whelp...ill keep my opinion of uniti to myself...but 'orgasm'  is like a min
rave during the week...if the DJs are good, anyhow...last night terry tore
some serious shit up...but as always, his shit was waaaaaay too loud...so it
ruined alot of the shtuff he was pulling off...not to mention the space...i
mean...its totally kewl...total rave feel...but sometimes somehow tha musik
ends up sounding wack even when it s good...thankfully not last night tho...

the setup is kewl tho...chill area outside just like 'oneder', 3
floors...basement is fer all the powder heads (or thats how it appeared)
with no musik...the third floor had the keg (which i hit a little last nite
:P)...and the second, or main floor, is the dance area...they put the DJs
out on this little overhang on the third level above the dance floor...looks
kewl as hell...

anyhow...terry phukked it up...as did winslow (DJ satrdust)...i didnt think
swan was all that tho...

all in all i had one helluva time last nite!...good vibe fer once! :)

*hugs* fer all...

JOSH!

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OKAY OKAY OKAY!!!

 THAt'S about it!!! I've had enough!! 

 I come home from Europe, glad to be back in my own scene, and this is 
what I come back to.. I swear to god, I feel like a mother, or a fucking 
mw-raves grandma for chrissakes!!!

 I have had it, and can take no more... We have a thing called PRIVATE 
email around here, for comments like these. I really don't care to read 
them, and I bet most of the list would agree with me.. How old are we?? 
In junior high school still??? 

 WEll, obviously not, so why don't we all start ACTING like we're adults, 
and remember the golden rule.. Treat others as you wanna be treated.... 
And maybe we can take this to heart.. My father always told me when I was 
little that if I didn't have anyhitng nice to say, or at least 
constructive, not degrading, slanderous, rude or just plain mean, then 
maybe I shouldn't say anyhitng at all...

 Threads like these are what keeps bringing me to the edge of unsubbing 
permanently... 

 What ever happened to the list of the old days where if people had 
different opinions at least they didn't get beat up verbally, or via 
publicly for it? where everyone showed a nice thing called RESPECT for 
others and their feelings??? Whatever happened to the list of the old 
days where we talked about RAVES and TECHNO MUSIC, and did PARTY 
REVIEWS??? is it gone, or did it get moved somewhere else?? If it moved 
somewhere else, can someone please forward mne THAT address, because I am 
sick and tired of listening to little babies whining, fighting and 
yelling at each other over stupid things.. If I wanted to hear that shit, 
I'd be a kindergarten teacher!

*NO hugs-n-smooches*

-Becky >=( 

*disappointed in the fact that we can't get along anymore..* whatever 
happened to the days when we were GLAD to see and meet new mw-ravers at 
parties??

hrmph...


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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:49:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: star <twinkle@wam.umd.edu>
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        nyc-raves@hyperreal.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, txraves@io.com
Subject: NEW YEARS EVE BASSRUSH-World Dance




                       NEW YEAR'S EVE BASSRUSH
           
                            WORLD DANCE

That's right this new year's eve we will be bringing in the new year with 
a bang.  In a huge, spacious  venue in the baltimore area (not the normal 
bassrush space) we will give you a chance to  experience new year's eve
FUSION style.  Three rooms,  6,000++ capacity and totally legal.

UK DJ's already confirmed are:

Ed Rush
Elements of Noise
Trace
Sweet Pea
Diablo
Mastervibe

and Dieselboy ( 3 the hard way, pittsburgh)

and many, MANY MORE!!!

We will be bringing in dj's from all over the world in what promises to 
be one of the best new year's parties ever.  

As usual expect the bassrush vibe others strive for and if you haven't 
been to one yet-you better not miss this one.

more information will be available soon...

we hope to see everyone there

star 
angela


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This just in,
    mw-raver and promoter, stevie-t, was pulled from his car by someone
which he met in a previous life and called,"A vanilla-rice motherf***er"
Authorities do not know if this crime was in any way linked to the 
olympic park bombing, or the flight 800 crash.  
	In his best efforts, cylert tried to pull stevie-t from
the wreckaged, but was blitzed by a rightous left wing activist,
and beaten in his whiney ass.  He was taken to the hospital, but his
mom, becky, gave him no hugs or smooches to ease the pain.
	other listmembers were given random earaches, which came
cynically, and randomly, yet seemed to make sense in such a time of
moral decay.  
	In related news, terry mullan has been banned from competition
in this years long jump for the illegal use of a substance known to
be called maxximum-red.

bah, i'm making typos, better quit before I really manage to piss someone
off.  I've been watching too much cnn.

---Cylert

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>hi. i'm a l'il new to this but here's a question/cry for advice. what is
>mini thin? why is it done so much at raves? and what should i be worried
>about if i take it?

a mini-thin is a 25mg ephedrine hydrochloride (now to make it legal with a
small amount of guacinophine added so as to decreases the chances of
methamphetamine synthesis).....sometimes they are called white crosses or
cross tops they are actually a bronchiodialator used in treating
asthmatics, but they also mimic to a much lesser degree the effects of
amphetamines.......i am sure a lot of people do not know this but ephedrine
hydrochloride is the 'L' isomer of the mehtamphetamine hydrochloride
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In a message dated 96-08-02 20:06:58 EDT, you write:

>
>*NO hugs-n-smooches*
>
>-Becky >=( 
>
>*disappointed in the fact that we can't get along anymore..* whatever 
>happened to the days when we were GLAD to see and meet new mw-ravers at 
>parties??
>
>hrmph...
>
>
Um...I think that we can still get along. And no I'm not flippin' out on E or
any other drug.  And if I ever see you, or any other new mw ravers or ANY
nice ravers during a party, my skinny ass will be sure to bum rush you with a
"Super Ally" hug!!  :)   Sheesh.  Chin up, take a deep breath and smile
everyone. Seems like this list has to go through that periodical war
regarding the pros and cons of being too nice or too mean.  Me thinks we all
just have to chill and just treat others with common courtesy. But whatever,
that's just me giving my lil input.  Take care and hopefully I'll be seeing
everyone at IO3!!  laterz
peace out 
Allyson

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the kalamazoo crew will be in the house for sickness/recovery tommorrow
night.  i will be wearing denim shorts, a grey abercrombie t-shirt, and
will be standing in front of the turntables with a look of awe/reverance
on my face!!

go to this party or forever live a mediocre life!!!! :) :)


aaron bennett
western michigan university/black nation records-kalamazoo, michigan
99benne4@lab.cc.wmich.edu

halfway between detroit and chicago....




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>
> What ever happened to the list of the old days...
>

How many ravers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

100.  1 turn the bulb and 99 to talk about the way it used to be.

M

p.s. it's always been like this

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>People have things to say but are expressed in very ineffective w      ays
>but your last letter was very effective.  It wasn't a nice happy letter but
>it wasn't uncontrollably pointlessly filled with anger like many of the other
>letters that do nothing but flame.                                     o stop

>peace out
>Allyson

Thanks for noticing that I had something to say.  The flames I
got back were so predictable that I am not inspired to reply to
them.

Take care,

Mark Josef


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well i just found out that i will be at pimp for a day tomorrow!
wooohooooo..i was just wondering if anyone else was planning on
going...this is the first time i've been out in soooo long, so
if you're gonna be there, let me know and maybe we can meet up:)
jen
d


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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Jennifer Dobis wrote:

> well i just found out that i will be at pimp for a day tomorrow!
> wooohooooo..i was just wondering if anyone else was planning on
> going...this is the first time i've been out in soooo long, so
> if you're gonna be there, let me know and maybe we can meet up:)
> jen
> d
> 
> 
Hello fellow Boilermaker :)  I'd love to meet you finally.  I've always 
wondered who you are - you sound pretty cool :)  aren't you jendobis on 
vrave?

Cynthia

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Ok I'm about to leave for Sickness (yes it IS early, I don't wanna wait! 
:), and I hope I see every one of you there! There's pics of me on my web 
page, and I wear a long red wallet chain made of little red plastic 
barrel-things. Say hi! Peace and love.

-jeff

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug  2 21:25:59 1996
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It's short notice I know, but if one or two west side people need a lift to
Sickness near Windosr let me know. I have a small truck, but I can 
fit three :) 

Ed/Cuisinart

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that was funny!  (the lightbulb joke that is) ... i'm pretty new to the 
list still but i don't think it's just ravers though 

-> it seems that Everything used to be better for Everyone:  remember the 
parties we USED to have? ... remember how everyone USED to get along so well? 
... it seems hard for us to admit that either:  (a) things were never That 
much greater Before, or, (b) that things aren't That bad Now!!

plur ... tamzin

On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Smith, Walter wrote:

> >
> > What ever happened to the list of the old days...
> >
> 
> How many ravers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> 
> 100.  1 turn the bulb and 99 to talk about the way it used to be.
> 
> M
> 
> p.s. it's always been like this
> 


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug  2 22:39:56 1996
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I'll be going to this one, so look for a short guy (5'7") with red braids.

C-ya There!!!!
-Jason




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On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Liquid PleAsurE... wrote:

> OK...I just looked over the calendar for this week and realized that
> there isn't another rave in Indy for a long time( minus this upcoming
> weekend!) so I WAS wondering...why? Why is the Indy scene that
> unorganized that we don't have a rave every weekend like Chi-town?


A couple reasons.

1.  Not as many people involved.  You can pretty much count the promotion 
groups on one hand.  And the ones that do throw the parties don't often 
collaborate other than the whole Galactic Empire thingy of Pimp Scrimp/ 
Paranormal/Kemistry Krew...  

2.  Not a HUGE amount of DJ's to choose from locally.  Indy doesn't have 
labels like Organico and Relief to support the scene with its DJs.  But 
what Indy has is decent.  I spin down there a lot and have a good time.  
Not a lot of shadyness although it has reared its ugly head before...

3.  Smaller population & Smaller city.  Less ravers = less ravers.  
That's all.  Although parties do get fat as hell from time to time.


There are a couple of club gigs too.  Nink Productions does a wednesday 
night thing and Sin does Nocturna on Fridays.  So there are things to do...


Quality vs. Quantity


-shawn
misfit


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This was paisted from the back of the color IO3 flier. This text was written 
by JJ, founder and mentor of the Interstellar Outback Events

Sometimes you just have to grab a moment and say- now, this is it, I'm going 
to have a hell of a good time, right now, tonight, here. Go for it. You can 
clear a lot of junk out of your head and focus. You can change your life in 
some small way. Energized, inspired, regardless of what you call the state, it 
s worth pursuing. Being social animals and all, it sometimes seems easier to 
get transported by the moment if there are other people around doing the same 
thing. For that matter, a little music and dancing can help, too. In certain 
circles, this is referred to as a vibe. You'd think we'd come up with another 
word after a few years. But it'll have to do, like everything else. There's no 
such thing as a perfect weekend, just an intense one. Sometimes, though, on 
the drive home, you find that's it's worth it, even all the crazy stuff we go 
through to get to a good one. But what we do, all of us annoying and stressed 
out promoters, none of that is what makes a party good.
	That particular part is up to you. What makes a gathering a powerful 
experience is the willingness of the participants to lower defenses, meet new 
humans, and interact on a level not easily found in the bulk of society. This 
activity draws us out of our various cities and unites us, a temporary, mobile 
community; forming, dissolving, activating, exploring. You know, a quick 
transcendental bite, not available in any store. I mean, step back and take a 
look at your everyday environment. Communication systems bombard us with 
messages based mostly on consumption, authority, and marketed sedation. 
Historians will think we're a bunch of dorks. It's easy to forget that behind 
every pair of eyes is the same kind of being. Most of the time we're not aware 
of how similar our experiences can be. Many people automatically see other 
humans first as representatives of their kind . (sex, race, class, cool,  them 
,  us  ) It would seem that any environment where we attempt to ignore this 
categorical imperative might be a good thing. This is part of our goal; this 
is your invitation to connect.
 	If you pull back from your behavioral pattern for a few minutes, certain 
qualities of the modern world start to become evident. Science is being used 
to manipulate you. 'Advertising' is a practice used to trigger fundamental 
human desires- power, sex, comfort, et al- and channel those desires into the 
purchasing of particular products. This is not consciously meant to sap your 
energy, but it seems fair to say that it does. The hamster wheel of modern 
culture can lessen the value of art by distributing it as product, as a chunk 
of cheese to keep the gears rolling. Marketing makes calls based on mass 
appeal, muting, squelching, homogenizing the works of human creation. We are 
not about that. If we are doing a sequel, then it must part of a nonlinear 
series. Repetition is cheap, innovation is precious. If you make the trip, we 
ask: surprise us. Bust out the kind of art you create. 	Over the course of 
time, a small effort has been underway to experiment with various patterns 
composed of synthetically generated waves. These patterns function primarily 
as a catalyst for basic human communication and ritual interaction. It is 
debatable at what point in history this began, but archeological research 
suggests that the project has been underway longer than say, the building of 
roads, written language, or crop cultivation. We gather in a temporary nexus 
to use waveforms as an agent of communication. We convene, and break down 
whatever walls we can. What's behind those walls is different for each 
individual, because those walls are mostly present only in our own minds. We 
use dance as a form of technology, a tool. It's a gold mine of irony to 
consider the modern electronic devices used to generate beats. That's part of 
the key to it; that as far as we have come as a species, we still need to 
experience some basic feeling of joy in order to derive the inspiration and 
willpower necessary to do anything interesting with our lives. And we take the 
complex tools of the modern world and use them to get back to basics. It's 
part of the whole funky/flakey dichotomy, the yin-yang see-saw of 
cheesy/captivating qualities in the underground techno subculture. We're 
cutting edge, we're fashion casualties. We hear incredible patterns where 
other people hear mindless repetition. The scene is full of genius, but also 
full of people kidding themselves. It is a difficult question to ask oneself 
where on the spectrum you fall yourself. Scary. It seems to me at this moment 
that I spend most of my existence in an semi-automated cycle. Stimulus kicks 
in the response, and that's the extent of the brain activity. The human animal 
is remarkably susceptible to herd behavior and programming from the 
surrounding environment. It's distressing, truly, to wake up periodically and 
find oneself caught in the loop. But when you find a tangent leading out, and 
go active, it's worth all the drone time.
	A common historical focus for revolutionary thought centers around the 
development of a human means of expression known as 'music'. But what will 
happen when those who have banded together in the name of this activity find 
that their own efforts have come under the sway of tradition, shallow mimicry, 
capitalism, and rigid social codes? This is a test of the makeup of the humans 
gathering together- do we submit to the social forces of herd behavior, or 
abandon the thing and bitch about how cool it used to be? Or is it possible to 
periodically break through these impediments and recreate the past glories of 
earlier parties, reconnect to the source of earlier experiences? It seems that 
a better angle would be to abandon tradition and truly challenge the 
participants to innovate. Ultimately the vibe is up to the collective will of 
the individuals present, and what kind of interaction one has with the music 
is completely up to the mind of one person: you. This is not the challenge of 
one event in particular or whatever- this is a question of how you choose to 
experience your life.
	The idea is not to market an entertainment product to the trendy masses based 
on a hot iconograph of obsession with the other [alien], but rather to collect 
a group of musically experimental humans into a cloistered environment where 
we can explore what it is to be broken down at the galactic equivalent of a 
closed down truck stop.
	Now, please don't get offended by the next bit, unless it's meant to offend 
you. We ask a simple thing: Please keep your brain in your head. Absolutely no 
alcohol or drugs. If you're so cool that you know it's fine and dandy to be a 
cracked out chump, please go be a cracked out chump someplace else. To put it 
sideways; upgrade your launch method- or burn up on re-entry. Nitrous oxide 
will be grounds for booting your loser butt out. Anytime you join a community, 
it is common courtesy that you not take risks with the good time of all 
concerned by being thoughtless. Oh yeah, writers- come prepared to throw down 
murals on the site, but only on the boards provided. Check? Now, a few more 
tedious demands, then back to the campy idealism...
	Please make your best effort not to pillage and sack any nearby towns. 
Kentucky is a rural, chilled out kind of place.  Please go out of your way to 
surprise the natives by being friendly, nondestructive people. Please come 
prepared, with food, water, camping supplies, agents of bug removal and all 
that practical stuff. As in, prepared to stay at the site once you arrive. We 
will take whatever measures are necessary to protect the whole of the event.
	This is a transition point for techno music. Do we stagnate or evolve? Do we 
cash in or dive for the deep caves? Do we change what goes down or let the 
change happen to us? Dynamic systems flourish where lesser ones lock up. The 
way reality maps itself out over time is that choices fall somewhere into a 
spectrum, rather than a clear decision being made. It's interesting to watch 
how things go down when all you have is a small say. But if many individuals 
decide to pursue a similar goal, the results are astronomical. Evolution only 
happens when bands of neophiles go out and attempt new things. The music has 
evolved over the years, but has the setting in which we gather around it? We 
hope that you will join us in an effort to push the envelope, to create the 
environment to connect to the sound. That's as simple as it gets. Travel safe. 
See you there.<j2@cyborganic.net>

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> im looking for as many new, old, various, and different DJ mixtapes as
> possible...idealy, id like to be able to sscore em fer free or cheap...but i
> realize this is not possible fer everyone...so...i guess im just asking all
> yall out there in mwraves land that DJ to send me info about how i can
> aquire copies of yer mixtapes...
> 
> youm know ===> Oo. style of musik
>                Oo. length of tape
>                Oo. price
>                Oo. kind of tape its rekorded on
>                Oo. address to send any money or exchanges
>                Oo. anyt personal info you feel like sharing

Okay, I'm doing this for you Josh and for all the rest of you that want 
some of "The Flava" (secret hint there)



I've had this demo out for months and some of you have it and some of you 
are expecting it...  I know, I"m getting to the post office, really....


Style:  Jungle

Length: 60 min.

Price:  $5 or free with other jungle tapes.  Kenny Ken, Hype, Randall, 
Zinc, etc.

Recorded on: High Bias Chrome - Dubbed on Normal Bias with Dolby B & C

Address:  I'll let you know...email me back

Other Info:  The first track is one I made.  This track and others to 
follow will soon be a part of a project we've been thinking about in 
Chicago:  Putting out jungle "Singles" of two artists.  One on one side, 
one on the other.  Example:  DJ 3D on side A, DJ Misfit on side B.  
Available at raves, record stores, etc..   Soon to come.  We'll see

The rest of the tape is dope.  The first side is rough, the second side 
is smooth...


thanks

-shawn
misfit


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From: Shawn Devries <djmisfit@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Jennifer Dobis wrote:

> well i just found out that i will be at pimp for a day tomorrow!
> wooohooooo..i was just wondering if anyone else was planning on
> going...this is the first time i've been out in soooo long, so
> if you're gonna be there, let me know and maybe we can meet up:)
> jen
> d

I'll be there, naybe we could meet at th-


Oh yeah....I"m your ride there...


Ha, little humor there...


seeyas...

finalized crew:

The misfit
The tigger
The jendobis
The twinstar
The diva
The mc toasted & crew

seeyas, Roooooooock the house!

-shawn
misfit


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On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, *Cynthia* wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Jennifer Dobis wrote:
> 
> > well i just found out that i will be at pimp for a day tomorrow!
> > wooohooooo..i was just wondering if anyone else was planning on
> > going...this is the first time i've been out in soooo long, so
> > if you're gonna be there, let me know and maybe we can meet up:)
> > jen
> > d
> > 
> > 
> Hello fellow Boilermaker :)  I'd love to meet you finally.  I've always 
> wondered who you are - you sound pretty cool :)  aren't you jendobis on 
> vrave?
> 
> Cynthia
> 


Do I have to separate you two?

This party will be fat like Rerun on What's Happening.  Fucking go already...

-shawn
misfit

and listen to more Wu Tang Clan, and drink your milk


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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Shawn Devries wrote:

> 
> 
> On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, *Cynthia* wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Jennifer Dobis wrote:
> > 
> > > well i just found out that i will be at pimp for a day tomorrow!
> > > wooohooooo..i was just wondering if anyone else was planning on
> > > going...this is the first time i've been out in soooo long, so
> > > if you're gonna be there, let me know and maybe we can meet up:)
> > > jen
> > > d
> > > 
> > > 
> > Hello fellow Boilermaker :)  I'd love to meet you finally.  I've always 
> > wondered who you are - you sound pretty cool :)  aren't you jendobis on 
> > vrave?
> > 
> > Cynthia
> > 
> 
> 
> Do I have to separate you two?
> 
> This party will be fat like Rerun on What's Happening.  Fucking go already...
> 
> -shawn
> misfit
> 
> and listen to more Wu Tang Clan, and drink your milk
> 
> 
We don't drink Milk anymore buster!  We drink EDENSOY!!!!!  haha - jen's 
the vegan bitch remember?  But I'm not vegan...I just like to pretend I am.

Cynthia
P.s. GO TO BED YOU BAD BOY!  You have a very busy day tomorrow :P

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well, i met another AOLer at this rave, who ive been meaning to meet...  

this rave, was at the same place its always when mike throws it, at the
phoenix center.  its starting to feel like home, i lub the fukkin couches,
they are so comfortable after a nite of hard dancing.

a friend, aaron, shared some thoughts with me and a few others, he loves
dance music too!  yea!  dance all the fukkin time!  met matt, same way!  yea!
 hes a break beat dancer.  shit looks hard.  i dont wanna dance like that,
not saying it aint cool cuz it iz.  just never could dance like that.  i got
robot motion shit going.  

simon!  oh my god.  love your hardcore man.  i was the only good dancer
dancing to this shit.  it was fukkin awesome, i was hyped up like a mother
fucker.  trying to get other people to dance to it ::: i cant move that fast
::: or ::: im tired :::  phukking pussies!  hardcore is the BOMB!  could
dance to that shit 4evah!

barnes  suct the first 15 mins, the last 45 were good.  at the edge of the
first 15, he was teasing me with that mike dearborn track...(i love that
track), then, brought it in, full FUKKIN sprectrum!  i was in my own little
world for bout 7 mins.  it was so cool.  

the other djs, eh.. you SUCK!  hehehe  most of them did a bad job, in my
opinion.  played CRAPPEE tracks!  yeck!  but simon, my god.  you fukking blew
me away.  im always gonna dance to that shit if you play it.  

i was kinda pissed for an hour.  everybodys sitting down doing drugs.
 nitrous, crystal, coke <---whathaphuq??? bud...  i was acid... i know i said
id never do it again, but hey, i did.  i regret it.  shit only lasted for 4
hours.  it was so weak!  and im never gonna do drugs again, cept maybe
ecstacy.  which i would love to do, havent yet.  nobody was phukking dancing
when the nitrous tank came in, i was like, GET THE FUCK UP AND DANCE! 

then i heard EXTASIS, yes, shane, extasis planned that little fukkin "bust"
at the apollo.  whathaphuq is that?  way to fuck up the scene!  

i would like to say, i dont care how big of djs you get, but that shit just
takes the phuqen cake.  crooked ass motherfucking promoters.  i flicked you
off tonite.  you were all phuqt up on nitrous.  fuq you!  fuq drugs!  fuq
extasis!  

this is not the way the scene should be, shane!

im out!

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All I know is the comment made to me in PUBLIC to basically tell me that 
my opinion was wrong was uncalled for, and unecessary.. THat's why I 
mentioned PRIVATE email...

I'm sorry guys, but unless you lived in the old days, you don't have a 
clue what it was like.. As for mw-raves, I'm going to give my farewell... 
It really hurts me to say this, but the pettiness on here is just too 
childish, and I have too many adult things to worry about right now. 
Maybe I'll be abck and maybe I won't...

 Have a nice life guys...

 *another old member lost*

-Becky =(


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This mailing list is just to much mail for me.  So please take me off the
list.  I'm sorry I didn't get off the proper way I forgot how.  Thanx and
hope fully I'll meet some of you guys at the next rave I go to.  L8r


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Ok.....

        I've heard enuff of people bitching about "back in the day" , the
"way it used to be".  Enuff already.... i've been going to raves for a year,
so i don't really know much about the old days except stories.  In this one
year i have met many wonderful, diverse, stimulating people.  I've also met
many negative, going nowhere in life morons.  My point is this.... the past
is the past, stop living in it.  Follow the tenets of the butterfly
effect..... that actions you may consider insignificant have a great effect
on how others interact with those around them.  You can singlehandedly,
actively change the scene.  Try to teach people what raves are really
about... everyone has their own philosophy on what they mean....  pass it
on.... others will integrate it into their own philosophy.  

My Golden Rules of raving

1.  Don't bring an attitude, be open

2.  Smile  =)

3.  Try to make a new friend at every one

4.  Tell a dj/ artist that really sets you off how much you appreciate his/
her hard work

5.  And of course, DANCE!!

If everyone did this, we would achieve a Utopian TAZ  =)

well i just woke up, so i don't think my mind is really in the flow yet....
my major point is that you can make a difference in the scene today.
Complaining about how it is now, reminiscing about how it used to be does
nothing for TODAY.  Me, even if i see negativity all around me.... i.e.
everyone is sitting in corners shooting heroin and smoking crack ;~)  *jk*
....  I will ALWAYS go to raves.  Why?  Because I love Music, in specific
*Electronic Music*!!  

                                                        Close your eyes,
Visualize, Open your eyes, Realize!!

                                                                            
                            Marc

btw... last night i bought Dj Icey's "Break to the Dance" CD-- it is
great!!!!  best trip hop i've ever heard, acid breaks all over the place  =)


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Forwarded message:
From cda-bulletin-owner@hardly.hotwired.com  Fri Aug  2 14:35:21 1996
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I'm forwarding the following message I just received from Jonah Seiger,
policy analyst for the Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington,
DC.  Jonah brings an up-to-the-minute update about the status of the
proposed Surveillance Bill, which could come up for a vote TODAY.

--Todd Lappin-->
Section Editor
WIRED Magazine

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From: jseiger@cdt.org (Jonah Seiger)
Subject: URGENT: Surveillance Bill Gets New Life - House Vote lLikely TODAY!

(please forward where appropriate)

It's not over yet....

The House has scheduled a vote on "suspension" for a 'counter-terrorism'
bill TODAY (Friday).

Despite media reports that the negotiations had stalled out, house
Republicans have apparently worked out their differences and are set to
vote on the bill today.  The Senate may or may not vote on the measure on
Saturday.

No one I've talked to knows for sure what's in the bill, though I have
heard that there are no encryption provisions and that some of the wiretap
proposals have been scaled back.

I will post details as I get them. In the mean time, keep those calls
coming into Congress.

Jonah

  ** THE FIGHT FOR FREE SPEECH ONLINE CONTINUES TO THE SUPREME COURT **
      It's not too late to be a part of history -- Join the Lawsuit
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----------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW

                 CALL YOUR MEMBER OF CONGRESS IMMEDIATELY
                      NO LATER THAN FRIDAY (8/2/96)

Please contact as many elected officials on the list below as you can.
Urge them to "go slow" and carefully consider the impact these
surveillance proposals will have on the privacy and security of
Internet users.

Tell them while you appreciate their concern about combating terrorism,
the measures being proposed have many potential side effects which must be
carefully considered.

 If you are at a loss for words, use the following sample communique:

        SAMPLE COMMUNIQUE

        Dear _________,

        Please do not rush the passage of counter terrorism legislation;
        I'm concerned that Congress is rushing without carefully
        considering the implications of privacy.  I'm from <city, state>.

        Thanks, <click>

   You should call the following members of Congress because they
   are steering this legislation and need to know there is support
   for slow, deliberate, thoughtful consideration of this issue.
   Some of thee members *have publicly expressed reservations* about this
   legislation, and we should support them in their efforts.

Senate members:

      P ST Name and Address           Phone           Fax
      = == ========================   ==============  ==============
      R MS Lott, Trent                1-202-224-6253  1-202-224-2262
      D DE Biden Jr., Joseph R.       1-202-224-5042  1-202-224-0139
      D SD Daschle, Thomas A.         1-202-224-2321  1-202-224-2047
      R UT Hatch, Orrin G.            1-202-224-5251  1-202-224-6331
      R PA Specter, Arlen             1-202-224-4254  1-717-782-4920
      D VT Leahy, Patrick J.          1-202-224-4242  1-202-224-3595

House members:

   Dist ST Name, Address, and Party       Phone            Fax
   ==== == ========================       ==============   ==============
      6 GA Gingrich, Newt (R)             1-202-225-4501   1-202-225-4656
      3 MO Gephardt, Richard A. (D)       1-202-225-2671   1-202-225-7452
      6 IL Hyde, Henry J. (R)             1-202-225-4561   1-202-226-1240
     14 MI Conyers Jr., John (D)          1-202-225-5126   1-202-225-0072

###




-- 
- stevenJ
http://hyperreal.com/~stevenj/

Occupied America

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I picked up Massive Attack's "protection" at the used CD stor the other
day.  Some of the songs are just beautiful!  

anyone know what band Tracey Thorn is from (she does vocals on the track
protection) I remember hearing that she was from some band but I cant
remember which one. Hope someone can help me out here...

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To: Chris Ege <crege@piper.hamline.edu>
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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Chris Ege wrote:
> 
> anyone know what band Tracey Thorn is from (she does vocals on the track
> protection) I remember hearing that she was from some band but I cant
> remember which one. Hope someone can help me out here...

that would be tracy thorn of Everything But the Girl fame...beautiful 
dark voice.

dylan

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At 07:12 AM 8/3/96 -0400, WaveShaft@aol.com wrote:

>the other djs, eh.. you SUCK!  hehehe  most of them did a bad job, in my
>opinion.  played CRAPPEE tracks!  yeck!  but simon, my god.  you fukking blew
>me away.  im always gonna dance to that shit if you play it.  

>then i heard EXTASIS, yes, shane, extasis planned that little fukkin "bust"
>at the apollo.  whathaphuq is that?  way to fuck up the scene!  
>
>i would like to say, i dont care how big of djs you get, but that shit just
>takes the phuqen cake.  crooked ass motherfucking promoters.  i flicked you
>off tonite. 

You know, it's this kind of negativity and rumour-spreading bullshit that
makes us wonder why we still throw parties anymore...

Okay, to defend ourselves, here's the deal:

We had full go approval last weekend from the City of Milan's head
administrator. Problem was, the mayor was on vacation that week and wouldn't
give us a full blessing without his ever-so-important approval.  We didn't
figure there would be a problem simply based on the fact that WE WERE TOLD
THAT by the City Administrator.  But, shit, OF COURSE we knew there were
risks.  There are ALWAYS risks.  It was a hell of a lot LESS RISKY to try
throwing things in Milan than in Rock Island, where there EXISTS AN
ANTI-PARTY LAW ON THE BOOKS that could get EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE arrested
should the authorities wish to act upon it.  Tha's why we won't throw in
R.I. unless we know it's safe.

The point is: yeah, our party got shut down at 3:20 a.m. last weekend.  No,
we DID NOT INSTIGATE a damn thing.  That rumour got started by a couple area
kids who we told about the hassles that day with the City
Administrator/Mayor's office.  I guess we just can't tell the truth any
more, because it doesn't MATTER what we say, people make up their own truths
anyway.  Yep, actually, you figured it out, we did shut down the party on
our own.  We decided at 2 p.m. that day that wouldn't it be nice to be able
to shut the party down early right before bar time so that we could strut
over to East Moline and grab a brew or two and still make it to bed before
the sun came up.  Give me a phuckin' break. 

And speakin' of phuckin' breaks, I don't know how anyone can talk about the
party last night without mentioning the WICKED PHUCKIN BREAKS of Scottie
Miller, who I thought threw down last night the cleanest he has in MONTHS.
It's nice to see some precision in the QC scene (although, yeah, you're
right on one thing, Simon DID tear it up for awhile...)

But for somebody who seems soooo intense on not bringing the scene down or
giving the scene a bad name or keeping it real or whatever, you sure seem to
be dissing a lot of the area DJ's that started the scene and have KEPT THE
SCENE ALIVE.  I say let ANYBODY WHO WANTS IT have their fair chance to make
a name for themselves.  My only regret at last night's party is that I left
before I got to check out Caleb or Tony.  Don't talk shit about the area
DJ's.  Christ.

So that's it.  I really don't think I have to sit around and defend myself
to you and to this list all afternoon.  These same bullshit rumours have
circulated EVERY TIME we've gotten shut down (a whopping four times in
almost four years) If you wanna believe the rumour mill, then go right
ahead.  I'll just sit in the corner and feel the satisfaction of knowing the
real truth, and nobody can touch that.  Peace.  

Shane
OX4 Exstasis Quad Cities
309-757-5323 voicemail
Aug 9 - THE ESCAPE - Speedy, Chris Sattinger, Mingo, 13 locals - OUTDOOR CAMPOUT

Shaneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
                    ROB COLLINS R.I.P.
                YOU WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN             
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenahS
                   sbrown@netexpress.net


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>From what I've heard about peyote from a friend a few years back and what 
I've read in some autobiography (can't remember which one right now), it 
might be a good idea to be w/ someone you trust who is also sober while 
you're trying peyote for the first time.  I've read that people do some 
very strange things on peyote that the people aroudn you will remeber 
quite differently than you will.  I wish I could remember what the book 
was called.  Supposedly it's supposed to be more of a 'soul searching' 
drug than others, but I can't attest to that, just what I've heard.

                
 0/   ** KOOG **                    
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/ >   Stayin alive, stayin alive, woo woo woo woo....                
                           
        





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Now I know this bloke isn't on the list, but Jeff did express interest in
seeing the discussion fostered here.

_________________________________________________
"Hennigar, Sean" <hennigar@on.bell.ca> said...
[...]
> I agree that Bey is a far better commentator on TAZs/PAZs.  Everything
> we've discussed on-line, he's already written about several years ago.
> I hadn't read Bey's essays however, when P3 was started so I was amazed
> at how closely our discussions on-line paralleled his ideas.  I think
> the rave community is a perfect opportunity to implement what he's
> talking about.  Bey is a bit more extreme regarding anarchism, religion,
> and chaos and I agree with everything he says however, I don't think
> it's practical to go out on the internet proposing the same things he
> is.  It makes sense if you read him in depth, but at a passing glance,
> most people would simply write it off, particularly on the internet
> since there's so much religious nonsense on there.

But, if one wants to get something interesting started, who cares what
the masses think about it?  Keep in mind how many AOL accounts there are
and how those people got connected to the 'net, and more importantly
what they use the 'net for.  Yeahyeah, don't start a
flame war over that comment.  It isn't the focus of this, but most people
who use AOL got the free disk/software from a computer magazine (ie. 
sales related thinking etc.).

> I'm trying to lay out short term goals that can be realized quickly so
> that we can actually get started on this.  As a long term project, it's
> too abstract for most people to act on.  There are other groups that are
> working along the same lines but I don't see much concrete action
> happening because they're too intellectual.

I wish he was on this list.  I'd like to know to which groups he is
referring.  Anarchists?  Punks?  H/P crowd?  The answers don't lie 
there.
 
> An actual rave is definitely a TAZ.  P3 is about using our skills as
> ravers and extending the connections we make inside the rave out into a
> more permanent community.  I'd like to see economic ties between rave
> communities or even non-raver communities where we do business based on
> the principles of PLUR.  Similarly, there are religious aspects to raves
> (for some of us at least) that I think are worthwhile and should be
> extended outside of the rave.  For me, any rave scene is a community -
> that's what makes raving so different from the club scenes or any other
> music scene.  If it were just parties, it'd wear thin pretty quickly but
> this is a real subculture we're a part of.  There's many aspects of it
> that offer real alternatives to the traditional society we live in.

Well, the 'scene' has pretty much worn thin, of late.  Even if a lot of
people keep going to parties (which they, and myself, are) it doesn't 
necessarily mean that any sort of viable scene exists.  Raves might be
TAZs, still, but to what ends?  Our friend here continually makes 
reference to 'taking elements away from the parties and carrying them
back into the rest of the world' but I don't see how this is possible,
beyond a simple philosophy of plur-like principles.

If economics are the issue, how do we carry that forward?  As far as
our own economy is concerned, all I see is vendors selling smartdrinks
at parties making 1000+% profit, t-shirt vendors (most, not all) selling
shirts and other clothes for very large profits and drug dealers.  The
drug dealers are the real business people.  Simply look closely at how
they do business: give a few things away and customers come back for more
later on.  I think it's evil, but if  it's an underground economy you're
looking for, there it is.

How do we do business with plur as its basis?  Decide who to buy from based
on whether or not they sub to the plur ethic?  That could work, but since
market forces would no longer rule, prices would go through the roof.
Are you willing to pay 4-5 times more for something simply because said
business person lives by plur?  I bet it wouldn't last very long since
many of us can't seem to get a reasonably well-paying job.  Yeah, it's
a generalization, but how many people in the midwest scene do you know
that really make a lot of money, besides drug dealers?

[...]
> I'm not proposing changing raves although I would like to see them
> evolve to higher levels.  Raves are incredible but there's so much
> potential to do more with them.  I don't know if you saw my postings
> about intelligence raves and rave mythology but I can envision raves
> that are several times more complex than what we've seen to date.  To
> me, I see a rave as a complex system that has evolved over time and
> consists of hundreds of more basic elements interconnected in complex
> patterns.  Whether we like it or not, I think this system will evolve of
> it's own accord although the process may be slow and subtle.  In a
> complex system like the rave, even the simplest of actions can have
> amazing and unforseen effects.  I'm not really hoping to control the
> direction of raves, I just like to act on the system and let it behave
> as it will - that's what I find so beautiful about it.

If raves are going to go to a higher level, it wil take an effort by
almost EVERYone involved, including attendees.  This is problematic since
more and more people view raves like a consumer: I pay and I want 
satisfaction.  I don't think this is good, but it's the reality.  Chicago
springs to mind.  Why do *so* many people continue to support parties/
promoters who throw parties every weekend (paying the home town dj's
little if anything (to keep profits high)) spending their $20 on the
same old thing, every weekend?  I don't know, do you?  Is it to be
part of what our friend here is talking about?  I doubt it.

Or maybe, it is what they're looking for.  But is this what they'll find?
Most likely not, since the impetus for the party is making money, and
lots of it.  Are all promoters like this?  Of course not, but the ones
who aren't like this don't get the promotional tools the evil-doers get
to use.

> I'm aware of what the cypherpunks are proposing and I think it would be
> extremely useful to ravers.  The use of interconnected virtual PAZs
> would be of great use in helping us construct physical PAZ in our rave
> communities and eventually linking these up.  The construction of a
> physical PAZ is a very long term and difficult task.  The virtual PAZ
> can be used as a tool to help us with this.  I made references to the
> cypherpunks because they have the most experience in building virtual
> TAZs although they haven't gotten to the virtual PAZ stage yet.  Their
> techniques are useful to us and I fully expect that in the later stages
> of building PAZs, we'll come under attack for disturbing the status quo.
> At this point, I'd like to be prepared to defend ourselves.  For some
> good literature on this, refer to Bey's essay on infowarfare.

We already disturb the status-quo, that's why parties get busted.  Any
other reason given by the law is bullshit.  Fire codes?  Alcohol laws?
Bullshit.  We mix up the soup and they don't like it.  So, the question
isn't so much how do we push raves further, but, how we do we keep
doing this activity without threatening the staus-quo?  I don't think
we can, not in the purest sense of what a rave is all about and, more
importantly to the law, what does indeed happen at parties. 
 
> P3 is more than just proposing action, it's an effort to make people
> realize what is already happening.  Everything I've mentioned, I fully
> expect to happen whether anyone is conciously directing it or not.
> However, I'd like to see us better prepared when it does so that we're
> more aware of what's happening and we can give it a push in the right
> direction when we want to.  When Bey wrote about TAZs and PAZs, he was
> describing a phenomenon he'd already seen, not proposing new social
> structures.

It might be instructional to track down Hakim and find out what he
is doing now.  My guess is he has written about TAZ the same way
everyone else has:  from an academic perspective (not necessarily
an out-of-touch academic stuck in university mode, but not necessarily
someone who can or actually wants to do something about it).
 
I'm certain a lot of what I have said is pissing people off.  It won't
be the first time or the last, to be sure.

If 'we' want to change things, can this be done simply by trying to
force the evolution of parties?  Can parties evolve beyond what they are
today?  Do people really take anything away from parties beyond a
better knowledge of how to have a good time (drugs or no drugs)?  And
now the clincher:  what are *YOU* willing to do about it?


- stevenJ
http://hyperreal.com/~stevenj/

Occupied America

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So like what's up with that? 10 hour delay? Explanation please.


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Does anyone know what the admission for BurningMan will be?  We're
considering bringing a car-load from Milwaukee but I'd like an idea
of what our budget should be.

thanks  =)


- stevenJ
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nevermind ... I simply had to look futher into my mailbox

it's $35.00 per person, in case you're interested


- sj

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Fine... I'll stay on mw-raves. but you guys can't make me like it! ;P~ 
*half smile*

But can we try to not have shit like this happen in the future PLEASE?????

-Becky


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Well, add another promoter to the ones who can put on a good party! Rollex
came through with a great lineup of DJs, cool sound, and AMAZING lights.
In case you're not aware, lights were by Dimension 7 from sanfancisco.
They had this amazing blue-green lazer that spelled out the name of the DJ
that was on and did other designs.  I've only been to one other party with
a big laser, and it wasnt anywhere near as well-programmed as this one! At
first I couldn't handle it- i had to step outside every few minutes
because it was too intense, and when i was inside i would just stare at it
and wouldnt be able to dance!  But i overcame that quickly!

The DJs were all good... the top of the list for me was definitely Kimball
Collins- His mixing was great and the track selection even better!
Buildup after buildup, but the mix got progressively more intense and it
was just really cool.  I wasnt as impressed with Scott Hardkiss as I
expected to be.  Sure, he was great, but I think I was too tired to
appreciate his stuff at 4am.  Henrik Rosal- this guy was awesome!  I dont
remember too much of his set but it was great.  Carlos was cool too but
spun for way too long, i would've rather seen kimball collins for another
hour.  I didnt catch mindrive- maybe he spun early on?  I wish I could've
seen him, he is a great DJ!

overall a great party, although the price was a tad bit more than i
expected ($20!!! ack)  and i just have one thing to say: any promoter that
charges $20 had better put on a party of the same caliber as this one!
None of that "oh promoter so-and-so  did it, so can I" bullshit!  A party
has to have a lot going for it to charge 20 bucks, and not many parties
have even come close this summer.

bye!
chris e

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okie dokie...a bit of disagreeance on the 'spundae' party...but its all
good, cuz me and chris can keep clear heads about this...


>Well, add another promoter to the ones who can put on a good party! Rollex
>came through with a great lineup of DJs, cool sound, and AMAZING lights.

the lights and DJs are the *ONLY* thing ill give em credit
for...sound...sukked!...far too loud for that room...same thang happened at
'oneder'...come too think  of it...almost EVERY minneapolis party has the
sound so loud that it gets all distorted and speakers start making that
lovely crackling sound...but its still all good cuz kimball, scott, and
carlos were da bomb!!!!!

>In case you're not aware, lights were by Dimension 7 from sanfancisco.
>They had this amazing blue-green lazer that spelled out the name of the DJ
>that was on and did other designs.

it spelled out the kewlest shit...like...

-a good morning by scott hardkiss-
-acid funk-
-we come in peace-

and the DJs names and shtuff....gawd!...that was like one of the kewlest
thangs ive ever seen...when scott hardkiss was spinning and the laser
spelled out -a good morning by scott hardkiss- the first time, i got the
biggest goosebumps!!...and the big ass balls that had projections on them
were pretty nifty as well...

>I've only been to one other party with
>a big laser, and it wasnt anywhere near as well-programmed as this one! At
>first I couldn't handle it- i had to step outside every few minutes
>because it was too intense, and when i was inside i would just stare at it
>and wouldnt be able to dance!  But i overcame that quickly!

the kewlest was when thay made trhe laser look all spider like and had it
crawl across the ceiling...!!! :)

>The DJs were all good... the top of the list for me was definitely Kimball
>Collins- His mixing was great and the track selection even better!
>Buildup after buildup, but the mix got progressively more intense and it
>was just really cool.

kimball collins spins such angelic musik...thats the only way i can describe
it...he is the shit!!!...plain and simple...

>I wasnt as impressed with Scott Hardkiss as I
>expected to be.  Sure, he was great, but I think I was too tired to
>appreciate his stuff at 4am.

scott was almost as good as kimball, imho...these 2 guys were definitely the
best of thhe night...

>Henrik Rosal- this guy was awesome!  I dont
>remember too much of his set but it was great.

yeah...i so remember that he tore it up, but i cant recall a damn bit of it
like i can with kimball and scott...

>Carlos was cool too but
>spun for way too long, i would've rather seen kimball collins for another
>hour.

i coulda listened to kimball *ALL* night...carlos did not tear it up like
hes known to do fer some unknown reason...he was good...but not the bomb ass
crowd werking DJ hes known to be...

>I didnt catch mindrive- maybe he spun early on?  I wish I could've
>seen him, he is a great DJ!

i missed him too...

>overall a great party, although the price was a tad bit more than i
>expected ($20!!! ack)

$20 was fat too much fer this party...i dont care how phat the lineup and
lights were...20 was a phukin rip off fer 'spundae'...

>and i just have one thing to say: any promoter that
>charges $20 had better put on a party of the same caliber as this one!
>None of that "oh promoter so-and-so  did it, so can I" bullshit!  A party
>has to have a lot going for it to charge 20 bucks, and not many parties
>have even come close this summer.

ditto...

i spose lotsa ppl are gonna wonder why i didnt like this party after ranting
and raving about how good it was...but its like this...the party...it was
awesome... the ppl...they sukked...sooooooooooo many bad vibes  from
soooooooooooooo many ppl...i REALLY had a hard time being there cuz everyone
was giving off such hardkore negative, bad, confused, empty, dangerous
vibes...it was actually a bit scary...i heard some bad acid was going
around...but i know that not ALL the ppl freaking me out were
tripping...maybe phukked up somehow else...i dunno...i was very freaky tho...

bah...im rambling...

in short tho...the lights and musik were bomb...

rollex is a bunch of money hungry basstards in my opinion...they had to know
they  coulda pulled it off with 16 dollars...there were so many ppl there...

it sukked...

end of transmission...

*hugs*and +POSITIVE+ vibes*

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	This party was perfectly priced at $20.  the fact of the matter is the
promoters barely broke even.... barely.  That is the sign of a perfectly
priced party.  In Mpls the scene is very volatile.  You can pull 1200 for
4/20 and 300 for Looking Glass. 
	 If the scene could be counted on for a little consistency in
higher numbers, then perhaps lower priced parties could be thrown.  Mpls
wants the big parties for cheap, but that can't happen in a scene as small
as this one.  
	I don't feel right talking about the finances of other people's
parties, but Rollex did not make lots of money on this, and I would go as
far to say, that the 200+ hours that went into the making of SPUNDAE went
uncompensated.  
	The question you have to ask yourself here is did the promoter
deserve to lose money....???  Of course not.  If promoters lose money
there will soon be no one left to throw parties.  

dustin
	  


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	This party was perfectly priced at $20.  the fact of the matter is the
promoters barely broke even.... barely.  That is the sign of a perfectly
priced party.  In Mpls the scene is very volatile.  You can pull 1200 for
4/20 and 300 for Looking Glass. 
	 If the scene could be counted on for a little consistency in
higher numbers, then perhaps lower priced parties could be thrown.  Mpls
wants the big parties for cheap, but that can't happen in a scene as small
as this one.  
	I don't feel right talking about the finances of other people's
parties, but Rollex did not make lots of money on this, and I would go as
far to say, that the 200+ hours that went into the making of SPUNDAE went
uncompensated.  
	The question you have to ask yourself here is did the promoter
deserve to lose money....???  Of course not.  If promoters lose money
there will soon be no one left to throw parties.  

dustin
	  


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>	 If the scene could be counted on for a little consistency in
>higher numbers, then perhaps lower priced parties could be thrown.  Mpls
>wants the big parties for cheap, but that can't happen in a scene as small
>as this one.  

I think that's kind of a 2-way street too.  If minneapolis party goers could
count on promoters who show a little consistency and honesty, the scene
would be a lot larger than it is.  I figure the low counts for the last year
are due to all the shady promotion shit that's been going on - coz I know a
lot of people jaded with parties and don't go anymore.  Shit I barely go to
parties here anymore because I know most of them aren't going to be worth
the dinero.

I think what minneapolis needs, and this is just my opine and any insight
from other individuals is highly recommended, but what I think minneapolis
needs is for someone to start doing excellent parties on a consistent basis
at a cheap price.  They don't have to be overboard parties or anything, just
on a regular basis.  And what I mean by excellent parties are parties with
solid talent, solid sound and solid promoting techniques.  There's too much
shady backstabbing going on.  Things are just so fucked that someone has to
come along and start out small and build it up.  Once people can identify
quality with a certain promoter than that promoter is going to see alot more
people at their events.  And right now, the only people I see doing quality
stuff aren't doing it often enuff.

I've got my money riding on JVC, ecstatic and dustin.  I think rollex has a
fouled name with a few many people for various reasons and Encore ... they
just seem a little too hyped on themselves to be taken too seriously, imho.

I do think this next year is going to be a fun and exciting one for
minneapolis, with quite a few fun parties being planned by good people.  And
once that starts happening on a regular basis, we'll see more people being
introduced and coming back.

earache

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>	This party was perfectly priced at $20.

yeah...perfectly priced at $20 cuz they had to bring out 6 big as hell
DJs... something thats nice, but definitely not needed...i look at that like
a luxury...if you bring out 2 or 3 big names...and book the *GOOD*
locals...and switch up the locals that you book...you keep things fresh and
cheaper...

>the fact of the matter is the
>promoters barely broke even.... barely.

again --- cuz they went all out...trying to throw this hella rad party with
all this shit that was a totaly luxury...dont get me wrong...i loved the DJs
and lights...but really...its not necessary...

>That is the sign of a perfectly
>priced party.  In Mpls the scene is very volatile.  You can pull 1200 for
>4/20 and 300 for Looking Glass.

the unstable numbers that come  out for parties is cuz so many damn prmoters
come out..throw one or two parties...then disappear...no one is around for
very long for ppl to put their trust in...no one feels safe that a promoter
is gonna be a round long enuff to figure shit out, get their act together,
and consistenly throw good events...if this would happen, then the scene
could be counted on to grow and prosper...therefore having the  promoters
prosper as well...
 
>	 If the scene could be counted on for a little consistency in
>higher numbers, then perhaps lower priced parties could be thrown.  Mpls
>wants the big parties for cheap, but that can't happen in a scene as small
>as this one.

see my last paragraph...i jumped the gun a little bit...

>	I don't feel right talking about the finances of other people's
>parties, but Rollex did not make lots of money on this, and I would go as
>far to say, that the 200+ hours that went into the making of SPUNDAE went
>uncompensated.

bad vibes...theres your compensation...

>	The question you have to ask yourself here is did the promoter
>deserve to lose money....???  Of course not.

hell no they didnt deserve to lose money...but id also say they didnt
deserve to make any money either...nothing personal with any one with rollex
or anyone involved in throwing, promoting, playing, or  attending the party
at all...but once the promotion job becomes focused on making money...then
shits all phukked up...so many prmoters make some money from an event...and
never reinvest it... they take their profits and split..and if they dont
make money the first few times, they dont bother to try again...minneapolis
promoters equal some of the  most wishy washy ppl sometimes...not all of
em...but a lot of em...

>If promoters lose money
>there will soon be no one left to throw parties.  
>
>dustin

if promoters would think more clearly and realize that, yes, throwing a big
ass phat ass party with a shitload of out of state guest and bomb ass space
and hella rad lightshows is lotsa fun and kewl to experience...its not
called for... its not needed...not necessary...its a total luxury...as is
virgin wearhouses... yeah, their nice...but not totally neede...use the same
space, take some time to set it up entirely differently each time, and its
all good...its a new space... too many ppl just throw the shit in the space
and hit the buttons...no show of love or care or thought...

i dunno...i might be thinking a little idealistically about all of this, but
i really dont think so...

*hugs* and all dat...

JOSH!

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>>	 If the scene could be counted on for a little consistency in
>>higher numbers, then perhaps lower priced parties could be thrown.  Mpls
>>wants the big parties for cheap, but that can't happen in a scene as small
>>as this one.  
>
>I think that's kind of a 2-way street too.  If minneapolis party goers could
>count on promoters who show a little consistency and honesty, the scene
>would be a lot larger than it is.  I figure the low counts for the last year
>are due to all the shady promotion shit that's been going on - coz I know a
>lot of people jaded with parties and don't go anymore.  Shit I barely go to
>parties here anymore because I know most of them aren't going to be worth
>the dinero.

hmmmm...so im not the only thinking like this...thats nice...i guess i
prolly should read all my mail before i went on ranting and raving in my
last post...

>I think what minneapolis needs, and this is just my opine and any insight
>from other individuals is highly recommended, but what I think minneapolis
>needs is for someone to start doing excellent parties on a consistent basis
>at a cheap price.  They don't have to be overboard parties or anything, just
>on a regular basis.  And what I mean by excellent parties are parties with
>solid talent, solid sound and solid promoting techniques.  There's too much
>shady backstabbing going on.  Things are just so fucked that someone has to
>come along and start out small and build it up.  Once people can identify
>quality with a certain promoter than that promoter is going to see alot more
>people at their events.  And right now, the only people I see doing quality
>stuff aren't doing it often enuff.

maybe someone like the basscorps or ecstatic or jvc or inneraktive,
perhaps?... :)

>I've got my money riding on JVC, ecstatic and dustin.  I think rollex has a
>fouled name with a few many people for various reasons and Encore ... they
>just seem a little too hyped on themselves to be taken too seriously, imho.

ope!...looky here...im thinking on the same wavelength again... :)

>I do think this next year is going to be a fun and exciting one for
>minneapolis, with quite a few fun parties being planned by good people.  And
>once that starts happening on a regular basis, we'll see more people being
>introduced and coming back.
>
>earache

im sooooooo looking forward to 'ea' and 'culture shock'...'rinse cycle'
should prove to be pretty damn fresh too...of course...theres some other
kewl looking parties lined up...but they new promoters or flashy
promoters...so im not hyping things up too much on anything...all i know is
that i have been waiting soooo long for someone to throw something of the
likes of 'ea'...mad props...and ytou know ill be there...helping out any way
i can...

*hugs* and all dat...

JOSH!

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josh decker
>all...but once the promotion job becomes focused on making money...then
>shits all phukked up...

Mostly the money focus is on not losing thousands and thousands of dollars.
     Who in Mpls. has made money since MORE ?    Who ?
Even MIke Stacy does not earn phat cash off the parties.

so many prmoters make some money from an event...and
>never reinvest it... they take their profits and split..

There has never been any money to take and split.    Maybe one or two
parties here and there.


and if they dont
>make money the first few times, they dont bother to try again...

Put it in perspective :     imagine your self personally being out 4000 $.
You just lost 4000 $  and you don't bother to try again.....
c'mon josh, be fair.


>if promoters would think more clearly and realize that, yes, throwing a big
>ass phat ass party 
etc. etc.

Yes, here I totally agree.    Too many parties every weekend expecting to
be THE big party of the summer.    duh.    18$ every weekend ?    People
choose one party every once in a while to go to.    There are very few
regulars.    And most of them are getting comped in.

There needs to be a return to the 10 $ party, no matter how small the
flyer, the lights, the lineup, the sound.       Scale it back and get more
conceptual and caring about the party setup itself (space design for cheap,
pranks, events, games).      The way things are going we're going to be
setting off atom bombs just to try and rouse the jaded skulls of the drug
elite.

  Over and Out.

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hey chicago peeps....

i'm now officially in town and looking for people to talk to, hang out with,
etc.
if there are any of you out there who i haven't talked to already (or even if
i have), please let me know if you are interested.  =)

regardless, can someone send me any info on chicago info (ie clubs, stores,
radio, etc.)?  i have some, but i know that there has got to be more.... :)

ALSO ...  :)
i may need a ride to IO3 in good ole KY so if there is anyone from this area
who is willing to give me a ride, i'll help in whatever way i can ...  :)

peace love and hugz:)
:ben



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Sooooooo .......

did anyone go to this last night here in the windy city?
i wanted to go but i would have felt bad, it being my 1st night here and
dissin my dadz like that.

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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The San Francisco Cannabis Buyers' Club, which provides 
medical marijuana to about 10,000 patients, and five other 
smaller clubs in San Francisco, were raided at 7:30 this 
morning (Sunday August 4).  Reportedly, sixteen people were 
taken into custody.  This raid comes as the campaign for 
Prop. 215, the California Medical Marijuana Initiative, and 
the opposition to Prop. 215, have begun to move into gear.  
We will be publishing more information on Prop. 215 and its 
proponents and opponents in the next issue of The Activist 
Guide, currently in preparation.

We have just learned that protests in San Francisco in 
support of the Buyers' Club are planned for: 1) this evening 
(Sunday 8/4), at 5:00pm, meeting at 18th & Castro, and 
walking to Market St. (the whole street is blocked off, and 
the media is there in force); 2) tomorrow (Monday 8/5) at 
noon, at the State Building on McAllister & Van Ness; and 3) 
tomorrow at the State Courthouse at 850 Bryant St. at 
1:30pm.  If you are in the Bay Area, or can get there, 
please go to protest this human rights violation and misuse 
of the criminal justice system for political purposes.  And 
please call Gov. Pete Wilson at (916) 445-2841 and Attorney 
General Dan Lungren at (916) 448-3853 (campaign office) or 
(916) 445-9555 (Justice Dept.) to express your outrage.

Californians for Medical Rights issued the following press 
release following the raid:

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              Californians for Medical Rights
                        Yes on 215

For Release: August 4, 1996
CONTACT: Dave Fratello at (310) 394-2952

Buyers' Club Bust Underscores Need for Prop. 215
------------------------------------------------

SANTA MONICA, August 4 -- Reacting to news this morning that 
the "Cannabis Buyers' Club" (CBC) in San Francisco has been 
raided by police, Californians for Medical Rights, the Yes 
on Prop. 215 campaign, issued the following statement:

"The Cannabis Buyers' Club, one of the many groups in 
California supporting Prop. 215, has suffered a serious blow 
this morning. For some, the San Francisco CBC was a beacon 
of hope.

"Our hearts go out to the 10,000 seriously and terminally 
ill people served by the CBC.  These patients were willing 
to risk arrest to use a medicine that reduced their pain and 
suffering.  Many of them will now be deprived of that 
medicine, which their doctors agreed was beneficial.

"The arrests this morning underscore the need for passage of 
Prop. 215 this November.  The seriously and terminally ill 
people of California who find medical benefits from 
marijuana are not criminals.  Prop. 215 will make that fact 
explicit under state law.

"Surely the dozens of police officers who participated in 
this morning's arrests can be better employed chasing hard 
criminals, even on a Sunday morning."

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CMR's focus is on protecting the legal rights of doctors and 
patients who find marijuana useful in medical treatment.  
CMR was instrumental in gathering sufficient signatures to 
place Prop. 215 on the ballot -- over 775,000 were turned 
over to county registrars on April 24.

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Aug  4 19:56:24 1996
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so, i'm at home on saturday afternoon in the peaceful northwestern 
suburbs of chicago, planning on spending a quiet night at home, perhaps 
watching movies with the lady like k8, when a knock comes to the door...

me:		"huh?"
dave:	(knock, knock, knock...etc.)
me:		(goes to door) "oh!  hey dave!  how is it going?"
dave:	"pretty well. hey, i just dropped by wondering if you and k8 wanted
		 to go to dinner or something.  maybe we could see _Trainspotting_"
me:		"mmmm...sounds good, lemme ask..."  (invites dave inside, etc.)
		(to kate:) "hey dave's here, you wanna go to dinner w/ him?"
kate:	"sure"

	{ time passes }

so then a few hours later i'm in the car with dave and k8 and we're having 
this conversation:

me:		"where are we going, dave?"
dave:	"you'll like it"
me:		"i don't *feel* like i'm going to Canada."
dave:	"well, you are."


...or something very much like that.  for all those of you who i got to 
see this weekend who i had told over and over that i was *not* going to be 
there, you can blame/thank dave for accosting k8 and me.  we had a really 
wonderful time.

jeff mills:	wierd. too hard for my tastes, skillful and crowdpleasing.
			i couldn't deal with it after just getting out of the car.

richie hawtin: i wish he'd played more of the 'concept' kind of stuff that 
				he intro'd his set with, but he made it a long and steady
				rise in the energy level of his set.  masterfully done,
				kept me dancing, and kept me *listening*.

then "recovery" happened and oh my oh my......

..then we left.

....marching through the "ever so green" bean fields....

see you next time,

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ok, so i'm sitting at my dadz's computer desk and i see the Internet Yellow
Pages.  I say to myself, hey, wonder what they have as far as rave goes,
yeah?  so i looked.  know what i found?  a really obnoxious blurb about extra
brain cells to lose and raving and drugs and other illegal activities.
and you know what else?  they don't mention hyperreal's page either, only the
gopher site ... sheesh!

i was annoyed and thought i'd share it with everyone cuz i know there are
alot of you out there that are constantly looking for an opportunity to be
annoyed or generally pissed off.                        jk :)

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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I've been reading the posts regarding this subject, and i just want to 
toss in a couple of pennies/thoughts on the scene here in mpls.  I've 
been going to parties here since Paradise on New Year's eve 1993.  Since 
then, i've watched the twin cities go through a lot of changes in the 
way that parties are thrown, the music style, and the general vibe. As 
far as the inflation of ticket prices, well, i think that's just 
something that had to come eventually.  From various people i've talked 
to, this area of the united states is still the cheapest for overall 
ticket price (i may be wrong about this, but i don't think i am).  Raves 
on the west coast have been getting 16-22 dollar prices for awhile now, 
and the east coast is even worse than that...i've heard reports of 
parties there being minimum $20 and usually $25. It's true that we have 
a relatively small scene here (in terms of numbers, not in terms of 
vibe/openess) which does make it hard for promoters to make back the 
money that they put in.  The turnout for parties here is so random that 
making money cannot really be predicted. I'm sure that there are a lot 
of reasons for this, including shady promoters/news reports/weekly club 
venues and all that.  

	I believe that the potential of the scene here is enormous...we 
have one of the largest metro areas in the country, and real good local 
talent. How to tap into that potential is another question entirely.  I 
believe that there should be a focus brought on people here to actuall 
go to parties, see what they're all about, experience them.  I think 
that people at local stores could be a lot more friendly and a lot less 
elitist (not all of them) towards newcomers...be open and friendly, give 
people who have never experienced a rave a feel of the vibe that they'll 
get there and they'll probably go. All of this can be done without 
cultish recruiting techniques too.  Just recently i was drivin down lake 
street at like 12:30 am and i saw a girl who looked like she was down 
with the scene here waiting at a bus stop. I had never seen her at a 
party tho.  I stopped and offered her a ride because lake street is not 
cool at that hour...told her about Looking Glass, said she should check 
it out...and i saw her there that saturday.  Anyway, sorry i've been 
rambling on... didn't mean to. I gotta get some sleep now. Peace and 
Love.

	Andy
	S.A.C. design

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In a message dated 96-08-04 20:16:26 EDT, you write:

<< 
 >the fact of the matter is the
 >promoters barely broke even.... barely.
 
 again --- cuz they went all out...trying to throw this hella rad party with
 all this shit that was a totaly luxury...dont get me wrong...i loved the DJs
 and lights...but really...its not necessary...
  >>

I completely agree with the thought that there should most definitely be the
return of $10 or less parties.  Real simplistic and nothing too flashy and
showy.  Good vibes, good music and lots of dancing.  However, I will also
admit that every once in a while just to break from the spartan norm, I
wouldn't mind paying some extra cash for mindblowing hella crazy lights and
amazing sound and space.  Variety is the spice of life. (sorry, HAD to use
that ol' cliche)  Just wish it wouldn't be so damned expensive sometimes.
 Add that to your list of inconsistencies which promoters have to think about
I guess and it doesn't seem like it's a very easy job.  *apologetic grin*
 But another thing...as the cost of living is rising...it seems that the
price of throwing parties would as well wouldn't it? 

For now, I'm just thankful that if I pay for a party, no matter what sum it
doesn't get busted.   We can control our own decision over whether or not we
want to spend 20 bucks for a party.  But there is absolutely no excuse when
you pay for a party and it gets busted.  Cheap party or not, IMHO, that's
worse than anything.  Well that's my throw in for this topic.  Take care
everyone.  I'm bouncin' out.  
peace out
Allyson


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> the lights and DJs are the *ONLY* thing ill give em credit
> for...sound...sukked!...far too loud for that room...same thang happened at

did I say sound was good? I might've but I cant remember.. anyways, Jush
is right, i did hear a lot of speaker crackling...

> -acid funk-

wow! when simon was playing that acid funk track and the laser was in time
with the music (writing acid funk as the sample played, perfectly) it was
really cool.

> kimball collins spins such angelic musik...thats the only way i can describe
> it...he is the shit!!!...plain and simple...

doesn't he have a united DJs CD out? I'll have to check, cuz I want to get
it if so...

> scott was almost as good as kimball, imho...these 2 guys were definitely the
> best of thhe night...

I saw scott as he was leaving, like 30 kids were following him around!
thats gotta be simultaneously good for the ego and very sickening.  I also
saw someone who had him autograph her shirt- "i got your back, scott
hardkiss" I just wonder what it would be like if someone booked keoki...
DJ worship can go too far...

> soooooooooooooo many ppl...i REALLY had a hard time being there cuz everyone
> was giving off such hardkore negative, bad, confused, empty, dangerous
> vibes...it was actually a bit scary...i heard some bad acid was going
> around...but i know that not ALL the ppl freaking me out were
> tripping...maybe phukked up somehow else...i dunno...i was very freaky tho...

at one point in the evening (about 4:30am i believe) I got really sad and
thought to myself "who am I kidding? I'm no raver, i dont have enough
attitude!" but of course thats not true. Attitude isn't something I want
at all. And there was HELLA attitude goin around at spundae.  I dont know
about bad acid, I know of at least 2 girls having good trips...  But I
only managed to meet one new person there and on average i try to meet 3
or 4 (not like i remember any of them... I live iwht my head in the couds,
remember!) 

Dustin and Deb were at cnyesthesia selling tickets and they seemed sad to
be charging so much... Dustin said "im just doing a favor, sorry!" So no
bad vibes towards dustin!

Anyways, No parties this weekend, probably because Alex Patterson will be
at first ave!  I've waited 3 years for the orb or alex to come through
town (for some reason I was listening to the orb years before I got into
techno and raving generally, strange) and now here he is and I'll be in
the boundary waters! Oh well, I cant live this party every weekend
lifestyle- gotta take a break at some point.  And I love the boundary
waters, and I'll be there with good friends, so its all good...

The weekend after that, i'd advise people to avoid "untouchable" solely on
the basis that it's an MSM party, and if you thought the attitude was bad
at Rollex, it'll be 20x worse at untouchable... And you can expect $18
tickets for an even that should be around $12.. Go to rinse cycle the
night before, the info line said $10 for tickets and the vibe should be
great at this one! Plus I can see danny the wildchild spin: i missed him
at bubbilicious thanks to a girl with some laced licorice...

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> are due to all the shady promotion shit that's been going on - coz I know a
> lot of people jaded with parties and don't go anymore.  Shit I barely go to
> parties here anymore because I know most of them aren't going to be worth
> the dinero.

I think i'm finally (gladly) reaching the stage where I can not go to
aprty and feel really good about not going.  There's NO WAY you'll see me
at untouchable... MSM has thrown consistently shitty parties, and Getto
House just aint my thing.  I'm now even debating going to elektrik
disko... Sure it will be one AWESOME party, but tickets are going to be so
damn pricey. I'm guessing $30 at least.  And when Rave um and Bail-e is
only a few hours away and $25 for 2 days(!) of good madison vibe, it's not
a real hard decision to make.  THe only problem is that I had planned to
distribut Minneapolis Idea Project at elektrik disko and if I'm in madison
I cant do that.  I dont know what Josh has planned yet, who knows if we'll
even get it out by then...

> at a cheap price.  They don't have to be overboard parties or anything, just
> on a regular basis.  And what I mean by excellent parties are parties with
> solid talent, solid sound and solid promoting techniques.  There's too much
> shady backstabbing going on.  Things are just so fucked that someone has to

Agreed. I'd rather go to a party that I know the vibe is going to be good
than one with a big lineup and glossy flyers.

> I've got my money riding on JVC, ecstatic and dustin.  I think rollex has a
> fouled name with a few many people for various reasons and Encore ... they
> just seem a little too hyped on themselves to be taken too seriously, imho.

Surprising, I have my oney on the same people (grin!) Of course, those
people are the obvious choices.  I'm keeping an open mind about this new
"hush productions" though.  I dont know whos behind it, but the guy on the
info-line sounded nice and positive (whatever that means in terms of his
party)  But I'm worried now because they've got a few too many headliners
to make this a cheap party... Still, i'm keeping an open mind and all...

I think if word got out that a promoter was going to have cheap tickets,
more people would come.. I dont know what channels this would go through
though. Maybe "cheap tickets!" printed on the flyer, maybe the people
handing out flyers could mention it as they hand 'em out. Or maybe just
hinting about it on the info-line.  The thing is, it's hard to know the
habits of rave-goers besides myself, which would make it hard to predict
where to spread the word...

Now, I may be getting starry-eyed over my own (and josh's!) idea, but I
think if we do a good job with Minneapolis Idea Project, it could help
things grow and get better.  But again its hard to predict what'll happen
when people get the zine... will it go over well or fail miserably? I dont
see any reason why it would fail, but i still get all nervous thinking
about it... 


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that ENIT show a day later with Carl Cox, LTJ Bukem, Tayla and MC Conrad takes
place in Pittsburgh on 8/15.  

btw, i have no idea how good or bad Andrew Weatherall is, but the fact that he
will be at the Pittsburgh show anyway just makes me want to skip the Cleveland
show even more...not to mention that Pittsburgh's locals have *talent*, which
is more than i could say for my hometown (with very few exceptions)...

anyhow, i saw a large ad in a local music mag here for ENIT which listed the
lineup...but this one had times of performances even, and guess what?  The 
Pharcyde was *not* listed....this is the biggest blow yet!

i sure wish i could email someone close to the top of ENIT's organizing pool so
i could get the lowdown on all of these problems and see what the real deal is...because $40 is an *awful* lot of money to take a risk on....

anyhow, hope to make it to the pittsburgh show...

btw, anyone know if the Starlake Ampitheater's seats are removable?  i heard 
that they are, but i have a hard time believing this...an ampitheater sponsored
by Coca Cola, i would figure, would have nice pavillion seats....

--jefff/stuff (that guy)

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here's my short take on the whole thing.  I actually got to dance for a
change.  Danced more than I have since 93. as alwys imo,ymmv.

on to the review.

music - superb
sound - excellent
location - fine, if rather dirty, beautiful tent.
lights - pathetic, but thats the way richie likes em
vibe - mediocore at its best.  The only downer of the night.  Given the
       skills, music and sound on display there, you would think that more 
       people would have been into it.  Very noticable old skool/new skool
       split with old timers caring the day for a change.
       obmw-rave-troll (I guess most the new skool kiddies couldn't handle
       a rave as opposed to a house party.  :-)  )

tim



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Okay, I was one of about 30 people (tops!) at Clinton's Tekno in the Park
event this week.  I just want to say everyone should go! Clinton does this
all with his own effort, using his own setup boosted by a few rented
speakers.  Outdoor parties are THE BOMB and expecially when they're free!
Everyone try to make it to the next one, Clinton's a great guy and he
works really hard to get these things going. (i'm talking about
minneapolis here, in case you didnt know!)  the info line is 612.942.1391
so go get on the phone and find out when the next one is! It's free, why
not go?

chris (doing some net-advertising for clinton, but it's SINCERE!)

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Okay- 
 
after getting to canada after our 12 hour drive (eeks).. me and ike smashed my 
car through the green bean fields and ran at full speed into the main tent.
(i did take time to talk to matthew @ the door though..)
 
ERIC HAUPT -  we missed him.. shit.. (well.. too many stops @ superamerica)
 
JEFF MILLS - absolutely amazing.. ripped shit up hard.. i've never heard a dj
	     go off like that live before.. he was cutting, scratching,
	     tweaking, smashing and doing just about every kind of trick in the
	     book.. 4 hour set or something (can't remember)
			MArk n Ike say ' 2 thumbs up'
 
RICHIE HAWTIN - okay.  i don't really need to say anything else.  we got see
		him spin.  that's why we went.  couldn't have been any better.
		minimal. funky. building. beautiful. perfect set.  we loved it.
 
JOHN ACQUAVIVA - kicked off the Recovery part of the event.. (eveybody screamed
		 when the big Sickness banner was flipped over and the white 
		 'Recovery' side flipped down and he started).  the disco-house
		 king.. great music.. perfect for the time (6:00am?).. went
		 until about 9:30am.. too much to be had for any raver...
 
it's 3:10am sunday.. and i just got back from this party.. i still have
'permagrin' even after driving 12 hours back across the midwest (with only one
small accident... which suckked).. but anyway-  this was an ideal party.. 
great vibe.. friendly ppl (this girl gave us free ecstacy cause we were from
minneapolis and drove so far), and get this minneapolis ppl... have you ever 
seen a crowded main room with 400-500 ppl dancing their asses off @ 9:30am?!?
and begging for more when John was getting tired?  that's why i loved this
party.. detroit/windsor has a great scene.. i can't wait to visit there again..
 
(and this time... I'm dragging Josh and Chris along with me.. seems i can't 
get anybody to go with.. you missed out suckas... ;)   )
 
peace-  
					mark
					st. cloud plastikhead
 
oh-
i think i met Bluerazzberry and whatever his name is @ the smart bar (i think
you were tripping buddy.. =D)  but if you remember me.. feel free to write 
cause i didn't catch what you were saying about WoodyMcBride saving your life
@ stomp and some other acid-induced rambles... 
 		lancam01@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu
 
ps.s
did i mention that this was probably the best party i've ever been too?
*smile*  

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hello once again everyone...

i really dont expect everyone to read this...but those that do, i hope
maybe...oh phukk...i dunno what i hope...

and no...this is not gonna be like my 'out on a limb' post...im not
depressed today :)...course i wasnt that day either...but anyhoo...

im just kinda curious about lots of things...'spundae' totally got me
thinking about all kinds of truly bizarre things...but there are some of
those things that i just cant stop thinking about...primarily the over
abundance of atrociously awful bad vibes i got at 'spundae'...now...im not
gonna say that everyone on this list is gonna get vibes...or even admit they
exist...but for me, they play a heavy roll in my everyday life...not just
parties...call it aura, persona, vibes whatever...im sure yall understand
what im talking about... but what i want to know...and maybe (definitely)
this is a plea for help...i dunno...im curious as to whether or not anybody
else out there is reliant on vibes, or whatever...i
mean...karma...aura...you know...cuz id totally be interested to discuss
this in depth with many different ppl...it truly interests me...

ive always known that i had vibes...and i can usually tell when i give off
bad vibes...and i can totally tell whether a person is giving good or bad
ones themselves...and ive very rarely steared myself wrong relying on my
first impressional reading of a persons vibe...its almost scary...if you
give me a bit of time with a person, i can read them pretty well...im not
talking psychic like or anything...but just the basics...its kinda sad, cuz
there are soooooooo many ppl who cant do that...and i feel sawrry for
them...and feel rather isolated andd alienated when im surrounded by ppl who
dont understand and/or dont believe in this sorta shit...

i dunno...im totally rambling...so if ANYone can make sense outta this and
would be interested in discussion and perhaps mutual enlightenment...feel
free...id be interested in any good books or reading that anyone may know of
as well...that whole sorta thang, if ya know what im saying...

but ill stop rambling now...

*hugs* and all dat...

JOSH!

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Subject: SF Buyers' Club Raided - Protests Tonight & Tomorrow (8/4-8/5)

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The San Francisco Cannabis Buyers' Club, which provides 
medical marijuana to about 10,000 patients, and five other 
smaller clubs in San Francisco, were raided at 7:30 this 
morning (Sunday August 4).  Reportedly, sixteen people were 
taken into custody.  This raid comes as the campaign for 
Prop. 215, the California Medical Marijuana Initiative, and 
the opposition to Prop. 215, have begun to move into gear.  
We will be publishing more information on Prop. 215 and its 
proponents and opponents in the next issue of The Activist 
Guide, currently in preparation.

We have just learned that protests in San Francisco in 
support of the Buyers' Club are planned for: 1) this evening 
(Sunday 8/4), at 5:00pm, meeting at 18th & Castro, and 
walking to Market St. (the whole street is blocked off, and 
the media is there in force); 2) tomorrow (Monday 8/5) at 
noon, at the State Building on McAllister & Van Ness; and 3) 
tomorrow at the State Courthouse at 850 Bryant St. at 
1:30pm.  If you are in the Bay Area, or can get there, 
please go to protest this human rights violation and misuse 
of the criminal justice system for political purposes.  And 
please call Gov. Pete Wilson at (916) 445-2841 and Attorney 
General Dan Lungren at (916) 448-3853 (campaign office) or 
(916) 445-9555 (Justice Dept.) to express your outrage.

Californians for Medical Rights issued the following press 
release following the raid:

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              Californians for Medical Rights
                        Yes on 215

For Release: August 4, 1996
CONTACT: Dave Fratello at (310) 394-2952

Buyers' Club Bust Underscores Need for Prop. 215
------------------------------------------------

SANTA MONICA, August 4 -- Reacting to news this morning that 
the "Cannabis Buyers' Club" (CBC) in San Francisco has been 
raided by police, Californians for Medical Rights, the Yes 
on Prop. 215 campaign, issued the following statement:

"The Cannabis Buyers' Club, one of the many groups in 
California supporting Prop. 215, has suffered a serious blow 
this morning. For some, the San Francisco CBC was a beacon 
of hope.

"Our hearts go out to the 10,000 seriously and terminally 
ill people served by the CBC.  These patients were willing 
to risk arrest to use a medicine that reduced their pain and 
suffering.  Many of them will now be deprived of that 
medicine, which their doctors agreed was beneficial.

"The arrests this morning underscore the need for passage of 
Prop. 215 this November.  The seriously and terminally ill 
people of California who find medical benefits from 
marijuana are not criminals.  Prop. 215 will make that fact 
explicit under state law.

"Surely the dozens of police officers who participated in 
this morning's arrests can be better employed chasing hard 
criminals, even on a Sunday morning."

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Californians for Medical Rights (CMR) -- YES ON 215 is a 
non-partisan, non-affiliated committee formed in 1996.  
CMR's focus is on protecting the legal rights of doctors and 
patients who find marijuana useful in medical treatment.  
CMR was instrumental in gathering sufficient signatures to 
place Prop. 215 on the ballot -- over 775,000 were turned 
over to county registrars on April 24.

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check it...
i was in chicago, just kickin it for the weekend,
went to 'first friday's' at the smart bar on clark.

all i can say is - that shit was REALLY fucking COOL.

21 and up's kickin it to breaks - slammin'
as a breaks dj myself, i have to say it left me feeling all warm & runny.
( oops lemme check that )

phantom 45 was kickin tha jungle like tarzan and chetta!
even though i missed him the next day at 'hot jams' - sorry man.
maybe movin there soon so i'll stay in touch...
hats off to dub shack for puttin this one together - that horn was killin me.

got REALLY drunk ( a feeling which enjoy FAR MORE than e, acid, smart
drinks or any other 'rave-associated' refreshment) and got to listen to my
favorite form of techno in the same place - awesome, keep it up.

don't know who went on after phantom but his trax were kewl too.
not jungle but slammin anyway.

that's it - did anyone go to 'pimp 4 a day'?
- i wanna know how my boy doug ( doughboy ) did.

talk atcha sooooooon.
dj kevy kev.

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Chris Ege asked:

:anyone know what band Tracey Thorn is from (she does vocals on the track
:protection) I remember hearing that she was from some band but I cant
:remember which one. Hope someone can help me out here...

Everything But The Girl, a pop duo who have been together since
the early 80's.  They're newest album, _Walking Wounded_,
has strong drum & bass and trip-hop influences.

  -d.w.
   now 10x faster and dries in seconds!

on now: _Trainspotting_ soundtrack




From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Aug  5 07:55:00 1996
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check http://www.infoflow.com/bman/ for more info on this event

last I heard the train was cancelled due to track scheduling reasons,
but you can always write to the organizers to double-check and such

I'd like to go, but it'd take a fiscal miracle



- stevenJ
http://hyperreal.com/~stevenj/

Occupied America

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Hello,

In the spirit of community building at Burning Man, I am setting up
a mailing list to facilitate communication between those people planning
to camp at the "vw-camp", which will be located exactly half-way between
the Main Camp and the Techno Ghetto at Burning Man.

All I know about this camp so far is that it will be built around Vince's
VW bus, which will arrive on Weds and leave sometime after Monday... and
even that is not certian :)

So, if you are interested in helping to build a community around this bus,
send me an email and I will add you by hand to this mailing list.  Please
don't request to be on this list unless you plan to camp in the vicinity
of vw-camp, and please don't be asked to be removed from this list.

to post to vw-camp, send a message to:

vw-camp@schwa.eng.sun.com

-troy

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> parties...call it aura, persona, vibes whatever...im sure yall understand
> what im talking about... but what i want to know...and maybe (definitely)
> this is a plea for help...i dunno...im curious as to whether or not anybody
> else out there is reliant on vibes, or whatever...i
> mean...karma...aura...you know...cuz id totally be interested to discuss
> this in depth with many different ppl...it truly interests me...

I don't think I'm getting vibes on the same level that you are, josh. But
I do know that there was some kind of bad energy at that party.  I dunno,
i attributed it to me just being really tired, but for a while I just got
really sad and thought things like "i just cant take it anymore!" But it's
happened before at the much-disliked uniti party 420 sessions. And i think
there's something more to it than me just being tired because EVERYONE was
having a bad time at 420 and everyone i heard from had a bad time at
spundae.  So maybe there is some kind of bad energy- vibes if you want to
call it that.  Now like I said, i dont think I completely comprehend what
youre saying here- so i could be talking off in a totally different
direction than you intended. In fact, it's pretty likely.  But I think the
whole feel of a party (or any other aspect of life) is determined by tiny
things that we cant even notice on their own. But when you see a whole
bunch of these things they add up in your subconscious and you get this
icky feeling inside like you want to just give up raving.  But still I
dont think that explains all of it. There's things that I just dont get.
Like why was everything so upsetting and just plain bad at this party when
it was basically the same crowd that's at every party?  And then why did I
post such a good party review when the party wasnt actually that great?
There's gotta be something more to it... and i think you're on the right
track josh- whatever we want to call it; spiritual energy, auras, vibes- a
lot of people's energies were negative last night.  And i cant give
examples because it's not any one thing that leads me to think this- it's
just my whole emotional response to the party.

> ive always known that i had vibes...and i can usually tell when i give off
> bad vibes...and i can totally tell whether a person is giving good or bad
> ones themselves...and ive very rarely steared myself wrong relying on my

Hope I wasnt giving off those bad vibes! although its possible because i
was feeling pretty wierd that night and once again I came alone.

> there are soooooooo many ppl who cant do that...and i feel sawrry for
> them...and feel rather isolated andd alienated when im surrounded by ppl who
> dont understand and/or dont believe in this sorta shit...

I dont think i'm picking them up on the same level as you- hell, i dont
know if I'm actually picking them up at all!  But i do believe- who knows
if I understand though... But my first impressions are just as likely to
be wrong as they are to be right. 

> i dunno...im totally rambling...so if ANYone can make sense outta this and
> would be interested in discussion and perhaps mutual enlightenment...feel
> free...id be interested in any good books or reading that anyone may know of
> as well...that whole sorta thang, if ya know what im saying...

Well i cant point you to any books, but i'm sure someone on this list
will be able to! But you've opened up a real interesting line of
conversation here- at any rate I know it's all i'm going to do at work
today: think about this.  

take care,
chris e

BTW, looks like we shoulda joined up with Mark and gone to windsor :)

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*** Resending note of 08/05/96 14:22                                            

Hi all, gotta appologize to all of you that I intended to meet at Sickness but  
didn't.  Sickness was the best party I've been to yet.  Other than a potty and  
two drink breaks, I never left the speaker to the left of the DJ's!  My only    
complaint was that I found it a little difficult to dance on dirt, my boots     
kept digging little holes that made my feet tip at angles, and the speakers     
were up on wood platforms making it difficult to get right next to them.  But,  
I'm really not complaining because I did dance the whole time and loved it!     

Next party we have to arrange a meeting time and place and probably I'll have   
my shit together enough to make it.  Wandering around such a huge event looking 
for people I have never meet B4 didn't appeal to me as much as just totally     
getting into the music and dancing my ass off!  I didn't even talk to people I  
did know for more than one or two minutes.  Well anyway, we have the netrave    
coming up pretty soon to party together on a more intimate level I hope.        

Anyway, here's a little tid-bit for ya:                                         

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 

                    Home Page for Nothing'                                      
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            (To the tune of "Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits)                


            Now look at them yo-yos, that's the way you do it                   
            You write the code that runs the WebTV                              
            That ain't workin', that's the way you do it                        
            Get yer home page for nothin' and your hits for free.               

            Now that ain't workin', that's the way you do it                    
            Lemme tell ya, them guys can code                                   
            Maybe get some backing 'fore they even have a product               
            Maybe in a month they'll IPO.                                       

            We got to install Netscape Web Servers                              
            Custom config delivery                                              
            We got to install all of these browsers                             
            They got to all speak HTTP.                                         

            See that little doofus with the glasses and the cowlick?            
            Yeah buddy, that's his own code.                                    
            That little doofus got a billion options.                           
            That little doofus he just IPO'd.                                   

            We got to install Netscape Web Servers                              
            Custom config delivery                                              
            We got to install all of this fiber                                 
            We gonna need a big ol' T3.                                         

            I shoulda learned to code in Java                                   
            I shoulda learned some CGI                                          
            Look at that web page, they got it dancin' right across the screen. 
            It almost looks alive.                                              
            And what's he downloading now?  Hawaiian noises?                    
            He's banging on that keyboard like a chimpanzee                     
            Aw, that ain't workin', that's the way you do it                    
            Get yer home page for nothin' and your hits for free.               

            We got to install Netscape Web Servers                              
            Custom config delivery                                              
            We got to install all of these proxies                              
            They got to all speak HTTP.                                         

            Now that ain't workin', that's the way you do it                    
            You write the code that runs the WebTV                              
            That ain't workin', that's the way you do it                        
            Get yer home page for nothin' and your hits for free.               
            Home page for nothin', Hits for free.                               


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Sickness was a really great party! 

I drove to champaign illinois to pick up jeff, and a friend of his ,
tom....left illinois at 7-8:00..got to detroit at 3 am...drove
around detroit for a while...woah..detroit's a really cool city...
first time in detroit....got to windsor..we got searched.....
border folx found a dimebag of pot and a pipe in tom's backpack....
he took the blame for it at least..we all got stripsearched which was
alot of fun(NOT!)...had to pay $100 canadian to get the car back...
(IT was MY car too!!!) but at least they let us through canada..
we got to the party...the tent was huge! 

met lots of people from toronto, detroit, kalamazoo, and all over!
It was a krazy weekend! trippin in the middle of a huge cornfield
in the middle of *NOWHERE*, in CANADA, drove 16 hours for it, and
i thought it was well worth it! MORE THAN worth the trip...it
If you havent seen jeff mills..all i can say is:

*WOAHHH*!!!!!

the name sickness and recovery fit the party's name perfectly....

bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com



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well....heres my two cents on sickness/recovery.  got there at 9:30.  eric
haupt was supposed to go on at 10, but he wasn't there yet, so john
acquaviva spun for about half an hour until eric arrived.

eric's set wasn't too bad.  for a while it didn't seem like it was really
going anywhere, but then he started playing some harder material and
things picked up from there.

jeff mills came on after him.  brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.  the guy
is a genius.  three turntables, scratching, etc.  at one point he ground
the tempo to an near halt and went into strings of life.  the crowd went
nuts!!  later on, he did it again this time dropping planet rock to
another wild reaction from the crowd.

richie hawtin.  the usual excellent mindbending set.  started off with
the recent basic channel reggae/techno/ambient dub record (!) and
proceeded to play some really excellent minimal banging cuts.

didn't stay for john acquaviva's set.  however, if it was anything like
what he was playing at the beginning of the night, it had to be slammin.

the space, albeit unusual, was cool.  it was a bean and corn farm about
thirty miles east of detroit in rural ontario.  they cleared a space and
set up the main tent as well as a smaller tent for the get smart guys.

the "backstage" area of the main tent was filled with a whos who of
detroit techno figures.  among others in attendance were carl craig,
derrick may, kenny larkin, kevin saunderson, brendan "BMG" gillen, jay
denham, rolando of underground resistance, and others.

there seemed to be a surreal atmosphere at the party.  my friend said it
was as if the mothership landed and we were being invaded!! :)
it was neat to go outside at six in the morning and watch the sun rise
over the corn while hundreds of people huddled around a huge bonfire (a
great idea, i might add!!) and hundreds more danced to richie's set in the
tent.

all in all, it was a cool party.  maybe not as intense as the jak parties
of the past, but it was good nonetheless.


aaron bennett
western michigan university/black nation records-kalamazoo, michigan
99benne4@lab.cc.wmich.edu

halfway between detroit and chicago....




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Rave is a by product of the late 20th century machine.
Never before has there existed such a time of non-violence, safety
and sterility.  Meat is eaten but no one ever sees an animal
slaughtered.  Disease is isolated in the hospitals.  Childbirth is
invisible.  I have never seen a pregnant raver.  Death is never seen.
I have alot of desensitized sex.  I have flame wars with people
I never intend to meet.  People only tell me their nick names.
My physical survival is secure but yet I feel constant anxiety.
Life is a 24/7 low grade emergency characterized by bewilderment and
isolation in a too big society.  Life has become a futile attempt
to manipulate symbols.  Success is measured with symbolic pieces of
paper.  I feel most alive when I see my name on a flyer.  I attend mass
dance parties with people who are anonymous.  When I express pain
they offer me blow pops and new age mind fucking. Empty
expressions of love are worse than useless since they solve no
problems and increase guilt. Rave friendships come and go like
McDonald's Happy Meals. Ecstacy makes us believe that we love each other
until tomorrow morning. When people tell me that rave used to be
better I think they mean that when they first started raving they
were in touch with their joy as they were experiencing an
entirely new lifestyle but after that it became a compulsive
habit of endless scheduling of rides, times, directions, dj
lineups, fashion accessories, motel rooms, and scoring amongst
a parade of plastic anonymous beings.  Anger is experienced as
a dead shameful feeling in my gut. I am ashamed that I am not
as happy as the flyers indicate I should be.  Gang violence is
most shocking in its complete lack of feeling as was the gulf war.
Violence in general has become desensitized and more extreme.
Love in modern america as evidenced by the gun splashed covers of
at Blockbuster is Sado-massochism.  Apparently pain
unleashes repressed feelings that are real and at least better than
emptiness.

(to be cont'd.)

Mark Josef
Brain Farmer


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First of : 23 fucking dollars for this party...that was way too expensive 
especially when Run Dmc never showed up. He was booked in Detroit from what I 
heard.

The space : it was in a nice hotel room.....too nice of a place and people did 
not respect it...I saw cigarette burns everywhere on the nice carpet.
The sound : BOB was late by one hour and a half. so the doors opened at 11:30
The lights : nice lights fixtures, but needed some serious programming
the dj : 
Jethrox : yeah...good good good
Doog Boy : Damm, he surprised the shit out of me....very good set.
Traxx... : was teacking and distording the sound...I left
The second room was the best one I think.
the vibe : very very weak....people were upset because of the price and the 
very long wait to get in.

French E

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From: nuttah <Dylan.K.Bryne-1@tc.umn.edu>
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i have seen and known preggnant ravers. some have chosen to be more 
cautious given their situation, some have not.

i have known of ravers with disease.

i have also had my share of rough times at parties only to find the only 
people interested in taljking to me are those who are looking for drugs.

when people at furthur were having the time of their lives i was 
depressed, feeling strung out, and angry.

i have met the people i have conversations with on this list and several 
times, it's been more akward than any new meeting i've ever had, even tho 
i've had arunning dialogue with them for months.

HOWEVER....

i've also met people who realize that this thing called the rave scene is 
yet another facet of society and therefor is not exempt from society's 
situations/problems/concerns.....

i've met people willing to help me out when times get rough with a 
conversation and a hug, much more theraputic than a lollipop and a pat on 
the head.

i've had the greatest time of my life with a few close friends at small 
"insignificant" parties.

and i've made lasting friendships with people from this list.


Rave isn't an escape from the "real world"- it's just the "real world" 
fed thru our filters.  perhaps it's a bit nicer looking, but it's by no 
means a candyland utopia with constant smiles hugs and lollipops 
flowing.  perhaps i sound a tad cynical, for me it's just being "realistic".

just thinking aloud....

dylan


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On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 IMQuirk@aol.com wrote:

> hey chicago peeps....
> 
> i'm now officially in town and looking for people to talk to, hang out with,
> etc.
> if there are any of you out there who i haven't talked to already (or even if
> i have), please let me know if you are interested.  =)
> 
> regardless, can someone send me any info on chicago info (ie clubs, stores,
> radio, etc.)?  i have some, but i know that there has got to be more.... :)
> 
> ALSO ...  :)
> i may need a ride to IO3 in good ole KY so if there is anyone from this area
> who is willing to give me a ride, i'll help in whatever way i can ...  :)
> 
> peace love and hugz:)
> :ben
> 
> 
> 
gramaphone, but im sure ya heard that allready.  smart bar on fri's I 
think is jungle, so thats cool. im lookin' into train possibilities for 
IO3 since im carless as well..

anyhoo, peace love-
mike

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I'm going to go to at least the first day of IO3, and although I will be
stopping in Indy on the way down to pick up my fiancee, I can handle at
least two others in my car on the way down.  Let me know if you want a ride
(possibly only 1-way, though....)
PLUR
Jonathan aka Dr. Freaky
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> From: wieher michael <wieher@students.uiuc.edu>
> To: IMQuirk@aol.com
> Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
> Subject: Re: CHICAGO!!!!  =)
> Date: Monday, August 05, 1996 3:56 PM
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 IMQuirk@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > hey chicago peeps....
> > 
> > i'm now officially in town and looking for people to talk to, hang out
with,
> > etc.
> > if there are any of you out there who i haven't talked to already (or
even if
> > i have), please let me know if you are interested.  =)
> > 
> > regardless, can someone send me any info on chicago info (ie clubs,
stores,
> > radio, etc.)?  i have some, but i know that there has got to be
more.... :)
> > 
> > ALSO ...  :)
> > i may need a ride to IO3 in good ole KY so if there is anyone from this
area
> > who is willing to give me a ride, i'll help in whatever way i can ... 
:)
> > 
> > peace love and hugz:)
> > :ben
> > 
> > 
> > 
> gramaphone, but im sure ya heard that allready.  smart bar on fri's I 
> think is jungle, so thats cool. im lookin' into train possibilities for 
> IO3 since im carless as well..
> 
> anyhoo, peace love-
> mike

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A non-raving friend of mine forwarded this to me.  I know this question 
was asked awhile ago, but still..

                
 0/   ** KOOG **                    
<:    Alias:  Tracy Koogler
/ >   Stayin alive, stayin alive, woo woo woo woo....                
                           
        




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Peyote contains ergot, I believe, which are small "buttons" of the plant,
which are typically consumed by native American tribes on reservations.  By
sitting around a fire and consuming the buttons, all-night prayer sessions
help solve both tribal and individual problems.  Some Roman Catholic churches
in Mexico have been known to use peyote in their prayers, as well.
 Psilosybin (sp?) mushrooms, which typically grow near cow manure, are
another psychedelic different from both peyote and LSD, but all the
chemicals' effects are similar on the mind....extreme visual and auditory
distortion, "hearing" pictures, and "seeing" music, reduced grasp of reality,
ability to concentrate on one thing is increased greatly, and often mystical
feeling experiences ensue, making one either feel at one with the universe,
or in need of changes to put one in that state.  The ego can be totally
annihilated for a brief while, which can be bad for some, as they may not
have had a strong ego in the first place....hence, a "bad trip."  Knowing
yourself is the best guide to whether or not you should use psychoactive
substances.

Ergot, I believe contains simply lysergic acid.  LSD-25, which is the
synthetic form for consumption, is Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.  I'm only sure
of about 75% of this information....the book I suggest, though, is Licit and
Illicit Drugs, by the editors of Consumer Reports.  It's a very good history
of psychoactive substances, like peyote and "magic" mushrooms.

...and have a nice day.

Caleb


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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Kevin Koch wrote:

> got to detroit at 3 am...drove
> around detroit for a while...woah..detroit's a really cool city...
> first time in detroit....


glad you liked it.  everyone should go to detroit more often!!!! :)
it defines the word "underground"


aaron bennett
western michigan university/black nation records-kalamazoo, michigan
99benne4@lab.cc.wmich.edu

halfway between detroit and chicago....




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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, nuttah wrote:

> i have also had my share of rough times at parties only to find the only 
> people interested in taljking to me are those who are looking for drugs.

I can totally agree with this.. Seems like it's been more often than it 
used to be though.. *sigh*

> i have met the people i have conversations with on this list and several 
> times, it's been more akward than any new meeting i've ever had, even tho 
> i've had arunning dialogue with them for months.
> 
Same here, though it's only happened to me a couple of times.. Either 
that, or else some listmembers i've meet aren't really interested in 
having a "conversation" or maybe they're just in shock at seeing me face 
to face... Who knows??

> HOWEVER....

> i've met people willing to help me out when times get rough with a 
> conversation and a hug, much more theraputic than a lollipop and a pat on 
> the head.
> 
> i've had the greatest time of my life with a few close friends at small 
> "insignificant" parties.
> 
> and i've made lasting friendships with people from this list.
> 

 All I can say about this is: YES YES YES YES!!! There have been many 
people on this list who, without them, I would have never ever made it 
through some situations... (namely miss Becca and a few others, you know 
who you are...) 
  Netravers, in general are very special people, and should be treated 
accordingly. =) WE all have a special bond that others ravers don't 
have.. The ability to not only USE, but the enjoyment of using a computer 
for more than word processing and database management. =) And as far as 
I've found, if all other conversation fails, we can always talk about 
puters. =)
  I've not only made lasting friendships with people on this list, and 
had a great time at small parties and gotten more than a pat on the head 
and a lollipop, but thanks to the "netrave" community, I even managed to 
find the light of my life, and discover many things about myself I may 
have continued to be ignorant of. I've discovered many of my strengths and 
weaknesses, and because of the "rave scene", and so I'll always be 
grateful to not only our scene, but to everyone involved for this...
  I'm not saying there aren't bad things with our scene, because i know 
there are.. There are a LOT of them, but there are also many positive 
things as well... AND if the positives didn't outweigh the negatives, I 
would have stopped being a part of our scene a LONG time ago... And when 
the negatives begin to outweigh the positives, you can bet your butts 
that I'll be one of the first to leave the scene.. BUt until then, I'll 
be around... Maybe not as much as I'd like due to many more important 
expenses and no time, but I'll be here... And I'll ALWAYS be here to 
offer an ear to listen and a shoulder to cry on if needed.. Just ask 
around, I've always been here.. =)

 Does this sound a bit more positive??

-Becky


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>This mailing list is just to much mail for me. 
I know the feeling, if I don't check my mail for a few days, I have to plow 
through 80 some messages.  What would people think of seperate groups for 
the major cities in addition to the overall group.  Then again, that could 
be kind of complicated.  Ignore me, I'm rambling.
Alex.


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Although i thought the party wasn't bad, i found it seriously annoying
that i had to wait in line for nearly *FOUR HOURS* to get my butt into
this party.  And despite the fact that i wasted this much of my own time
without actually setting foot on the dance floor, i was still charged
the full $23 at the door.  And $6 for parking.  :P  I am really _NOT_
happy with this state of affairs.

On a bright note, misfit spun (i believe) the night's only jungle set
in a spur-of-the-moment appearance in the second room, and i had an
interesting conversation with a curious visiting businessman who was
staying upstairs at the hotel. :)  There actually ARE people who aren't
pre-judgemental of our scene, and whose curiosity about what we do is
genuine!

The kids were generally unappreciative of the absolutely wonderful 
space-- i saw more than a few burn marks in the carpet and crap lying
around... :P  this is not the way we find new spaces to have parties! :P

Oh well...

	/> a n i e l  /-/ u l l
	raygun@purdue.edu

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Here is my quick little snapshot of the Sickness\Recovery show:

Sound:  One large stack in each corner of the tent.\

Tent:  A very large circus tent with a stage at one end.

Site:  Very impressive Rich..  A large corn\soy bean farm.
       Very inspiring country side--considering I usually
       leave th parties in the morning in Detroit and see
       abandoned buildings, and liquor stores.  Not that
       I dislike where I am from, but it was cool see 
       something new.  Oh yeh, There was also a giant fire
      roaring all night just outside the main tent.

Ligting:

       Some  multi colored flowers with nice movement positioned
       on both sides of the floor.

Vibe:  It was a very eclectic crowd--there was people from Toronto
       Chicago, Ohio, Indiana, and everyone was friendly.

Jocks:

Eric Haupt-Played some very nice Detroit\Berlin Techno.  Everything
loud, and everything fast.

Jeff Mills-Once again the Wiz astounds me.  Jeff does not Play techno
records, he Is his techno records.  Oh my goodness.  The man knows every
trick in the book, and uses them CONSISTENTLY.  When he is setting
that next record into the mix.  He will start rockin his body, his
hands, and
I think his mind as well.  He is so great to watch--because he spins
those
records with more conviction than anyone I know.  And 4 or 5 hours.. 
Can
you believe.

If you missed and you were gonna go--I would feel very guilty
because you probably missed one of the best parties of the year, and
one of the best jocks in the world.

Rich-Rich played some very nice deep-down-and-dirty-6am-techno.  He let
the shit slow way down and laid it back on yeh again good and hard.  The
record selection was very appropriate considering his time slot 6-10am
or 
something.  Very solid set--but what can you expect, it is Richie
Hawtin.



JamieRay

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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Chris Ege wrote:

> 
> I picked up Massive Attack's "protection" at the used CD stor the other
> day.  Some of the songs are just beautiful!  
> 
> anyone know what band Tracey Thorn is from (she does vocals on the track
> protection) I remember hearing that she was from some band but I cant
> remember which one. Hope someone can help me out here...

Massive Attack is fantastic! You might want to check out "No Protection", 
an album of remixes of all the songs on "Protection" by The Mad 
Professor. Import, but really cool. Massive Attack also has an earlier, 
more mellow-rap sounding album called Blue Lines that you might want to 
check out, Tricky does some of the vocals. :)

-jeff

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Perhaps it would help if we take an idea from the intelligent dance music 
mailing list - 

All IDM posts have "(idm)" in the subject header. Personally, it makes it 
easier for me to organize my mail and read it when I have time. 

If all mw-raves posts had, say, "(mwr)" in the subject header, then I could 
use a filter to save the messages to a seperate mailbox...

Jeff, is this something that can be easily done with majordomo?

mike

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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Alex wrote:

> >This mailing list is just to much mail for me. 
> I know the feeling, if I don't check my mail for a few days, I have to plow 
> through 80 some messages.  What would people think of seperate groups for 
> the major cities in addition to the overall group.  Then again, that could 
> be kind of complicated.  Ignore me, I'm rambling.
> Alex.
> 
> 

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Ok I'll try to not ramble here...

went to Sickness/Recovery with my friend Tom and Kevin/Bluerazzberry. 
Damn long drive (we left at 6am!), but 500 miles longer for Kevin! 
Everything went smoothly till the border... we crossed over fairly early 
to avoid hassles and delays, but I guess we looked a bit to much like 
nefarious miscreants, so after I made the mistake of telling them the 
truth, the border people invited me to pull over so they could search our 
car. One of us happened to have a bowl and about $10 of weed in his 
bag... they found that and then COMPLETELY searched our car forever, then 
escorted us to a back room to be stripsearched... boy wasn't THAT 
amusing! At least an hour and CDN$100 later we were on our way... in a 
bummer mood, but at least we still got to go to the party... got there 
quite early, found the site, and discovered about 10 other ravers and 
NOBODY ELSE! It was kinda amusing to see the tent and concessions all set 
up, with all of thier expensive gear sitting out (luckily we're nice 
people and we don't steal from ravers), so we sat around and chatted... 
then the Plus8 crew got back from thier smokeout or whatever and drove us 
back into the parking area... we offered to work for gas money or reduced 
admission since we were now quite poor, but apparently Mr Man who was 
working the door has a thing against herb, because he refused to be of 
any help, and even lied to us about the ticket price. I was a bit miffed 
that a crew with as much money as Plus8 felt a need to charge US$20 to 
get in and didn't even provide free water, but now on the good part: Jeff 
Mills! Good god this mad amazed me. I heard a rumor he gets 3-10k to 
spin, and although that's a silly amount of money, I can see why! It was 
a pleasure to watch him work. Unfortunately Plus8 made no attempts to 
stick to the posted DJ order, so I don't know who the other ppl were, 
although I think I saw all the DJs, but since Rich merely spun instead of 
performing live, I must saw Mr Mills made the night for me, although 
Rich's set was amazing as well. And he was even nice enough to let me be 
cheesy and take a picture of him like he was a rock star or something. I 
surpressed the urge to ask him to sign my CD. :) There were some damn 
strange ppl that showed up... buncha silly ppl who brought beer and were 
doing the I-wish-I-was-fucking-you-right-now dance with each other around 
thier case of beer, but I saw a couple ppl who seemed like they were at 
thier first rave and severely enjoying it... and I saw Kate and Star and 
Loosy and Chuck and Jeff/Simple and Mary and Mint and Marky D, and met a 
lot of nice kids like "John" from Indy and a couple young kids, and some 
guy who told us where that UR record store in Detroit was, and we talked 
music for a while, oh yeah and I saw Tim from Evolution, and hell just 
tons of ppl, I wish my name-reccolection skills were better. We left 
before it was all over because we were dirty and tired and had many hours 
on the road ahead of us... bummer Detroit is so far away! Oh well I had a 
good time and saw some amazing DJs and met a lot of friendly people... a 
pretty good weekend. :) See ya all next time!

-jeff

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On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 monica.owens@boardwalk.com wrote:

> eating morning glory seeds or ergot mold on rye will give you a trip pretty
> close to that of acid because acid the chemicals occure naturally...it is much
> close to lsd because thats what lsd is made from.....its natural...sure it can
> by synthetically mad but it is much more expensive to do that...i can garuntee
> you that most of the lsd you will ever buy is made from morning glory seeds or
> ergot.....also, anyone out there who is afraid to sry acid because of stories
> about rat poison or strychnine being in acid....dont worry it's all bullshit
> left over from rumors started in the 60's

Are you quite sure you're not confusing LSD with LSA? Also, most LSD you 
buy is LSD-25, but doesn't Ergot contain LSD-5? I'm pretty sure  Morning 
Glory seeds contain LSA...

WARNING TO ALL: Morning Glory seeds can produce a VERY intense trip that 
last up to like 3 days... and most seeds you buy are coated with 
chemicals that will make you sick. And there's a lot of other kinds of 
mold that can grow on Rye bread, most will make you sick at best. Be careful 
what you put in your bodies!

-jeff

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ok, I understand ALOT of you arent from Detroit so you wont understand half the
things Im about to say, but just chill and listen.

* SPACE:Im DAMN glad I went to sickness with 2 canucks, otherwiset I  would of
gotten lost. Thank god I got my directions off of 313, I heard the ones on
the tape were vague. If you are going to advertise a party till its blue
in the face, get several voice boxes, not one.
      Though it was far it was a nice space, the sky was absolutely gorgeous,
it was perfect with a handy little sewage ditch to keep free loaders out.
*PRICE: well ...I got in for 15, due to my plastikproducts card, though I
think  for the # of peole attended they could of gotten away with 15 regular.
*MUSIK:
**Eric: well Im from Detroit, so I get to see Eric more than usual, he was
* throwin down alot of favorites, and some stuff Ive never heard from him, I
got there at the build of set, which was good.
**JEFF: man, I wont even touch that, well just some it up with one word
"Euphoria"
**Rich: by the time he came on, we were all tired and on our last bit of energy,
he did a good job, definately stuck to his style.
***Though I dont understand all these comparrisons to God, I even heard one kid
call him Godlike. COME ON! yes, hes talented and yes hes a good and creative
businessman, but hes just like you and me, there are so MANY artists out there
that are grreat in this feild just like Rich, and work as hard, hes
creative, and hes got views that are really openminded and great, but I
think we should stop building the pedestal before it falls.
LIGHTS: hers from being from Detroit comes in. I dont understand that little
light swirly thing they had going behind the DJ, I think that could of been
left out. Was it really nessasary to decorate the equip busses? I like the
flaming bug controler things, I wisch there had been more, it hinted at
what could of been a nice setting.
SOUND: I heard that that happened to be Rich's personal stash, it was actually
kinda nice, the base was  alittle much at times, I like the fact that I
could sit outside of the tent under that beautiful canadian sky and still
liten.
VIBE AND PEOPLE:
  all kinds were there, some just to get fuked up and didnt even know who the
music was or didnt care. let me get this straight, you are going to pay
20bones to hear people you dont care about, and spend an extra pretty penny on
hardcore drugs.hahahahaha.
   Ialso knew I was in trouble when Jeff Mills was on and some girl asked me if
that was Richie, I simply said "NO! thats Jeff MILLS!" all she could say was
when does PLASTIK mAN come on? oi. and what was withthat kid withthe balloons
on his head. nevermind. Though I saw alot of people there that I know were
there for the music and the man Mills, and who I deeply respect.
   THE BODYGUARDS. why the FUCK to do you need bodyguards, sorry, I only got
emotional b/c he almost took my camera away when I was tring to take pictures
of Mills, its like yeah, you got enough lights going in here, aI can
defiately see that flash photography would bea  bother. Not to mention that
WHos who thing happening in the back of the tent. I remeber when DJS
WERENT  SUPERSTARS and you could actually hangd with them and talk.But with
BRUTO the amazing bouncer it makes ity hard. I feel more pedastals forming.
 HMMMM>>anything else I forgot to bitch about?
well my car needs a licking clean, but thats about it
the music good,
the vibe, club TEEN opens near you soon,
sound and lights, once agan Im from Detroit< I would of been happy with less,
but Im definately not compalining (?)
the bodyguard stuff needs to DIE!
good job to the Plus8 crew, I could see their stressed faces all night, you
made it guys!!! good teamwork.
 *Loud and clear, and not following the masses....go see trainsptting:)*
Diana

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Burning Man, in case anybody didn't know, is Aug 28 - Sept 1 in Utah.

-jeff


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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:02:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Troy Sheets <tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net>
To: cc@cyborganic.net
Subject: vw-camp mailing list.

Hello,

In the spirit of community building at Burning Man, I am setting up
a mailing list to facilitate communication between those people planning
to camp at the "vw-camp", which will be located exactly half-way between
the Main Camp and the Techno Ghetto at Burning Man.

All I know about this camp so far is that it will be built around Vince's
VW bus, which will arrive on Weds and leave sometime after Monday... and
even that is not certian :)

So, if you are interested in helping to build a community around this bus,
send me an email and I will add you by hand to this mailing list.  Please
don't request to be on this list unless you plan to camp in the vicinity
of vw-camp, and please don't be asked to be removed from this list.

to post to vw-camp, send a message to:

vw-camp@schwa.eng.sun.com

- -troy

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From: Chris Ege <crege@piper.hamline.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 13:40:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: idealistik

> parties...call it aura, persona, vibes whatever...im sure yall understand
> what im talking about... but what i want to know...and maybe (definitely)
> this is a plea for help...i dunno...im curious as to whether or not anybody
> else out there is reliant on vibes, or whatever...i
> mean...karma...aura...you know...cuz id totally be interested to discuss
> this in depth with many different ppl...it truly interests me...

I don't think I'm getting vibes on the same level that you are, josh. But
I do know that there was some kind of bad energy at that party.  I dunno,
i attributed it to me just being really tired, but for a while I just got
really sad and thought things like "i just cant take it anymore!" But it's
happened before at the much-disliked uniti party 420 sessions. And i think
there's something more to it than me just being tired because EVERYONE was
having a bad time at 420 and everyone i heard from had a bad time at
spundae.  So maybe there is some kind of bad energy- vibes if you want to
call it that.  Now like I said, i dont think I completely comprehend what
youre saying here- so i could be talking off in a totally different
direction than you intended. In fact, it's pretty likely.  But I think the
whole feel of a party (or any other aspect of life) is determined by tiny
things that we cant even notice on their own. But when you see a whole
bunch of these things they add up in your subconscious and you get this
icky feeling inside like you want to just give up raving.  But still I
dont think that explains all of it. There's things that I just dont get.
Like why was everything so upsetting and just plain bad at this party when
it was basically the same crowd that's at every party?  And then why did I
post such a good party review when the party wasnt actually that great?
There's gotta be something more to it... and i think you're on the right
track josh- whatever we want to call it; spiritual energy, auras, vibes- a
lot of people's energies were negative last night.  And i cant give
examples because it's not any one thing that leads me to think this- it's
just my whole emotional response to the party.

> ive always known that i had vibes...and i can usually tell when i give off
> bad vibes...and i can totally tell whether a person is giving good or bad
> ones themselves...and ive very rarely steared myself wrong relying on my

Hope I wasnt giving off those bad vibes! although its possible because i
was feeling pretty wierd that night and once again I came alone.

> there are soooooooo many ppl who cant do that...and i feel sawrry for
> them...and feel rather isolated andd alienated when im surrounded by ppl who
> dont understand and/or dont believe in this sorta shit...

I dont think i'm picking them up on the same level as you- hell, i dont
know if I'm actually picking them up at all!  But i do believe- who knows
if I understand though... But my first impressions are just as likely to
be wrong as they are to be right. 

> i dunno...im totally rambling...so if ANYone can make sense outta this and
> would be interested in discussion and perhaps mutual enlightenment...feel
> free...id be interested in any good books or reading that anyone may know of
> as well...that whole sorta thang, if ya know what im saying...

Well i cant point you to any books, but i'm sure someone on this list
will be able to! But you've opened up a real interesting line of
conversation here- at any rate I know it's all i'm going to do at work
today: think about this.  

take care,
chris e

BTW, looks like we shoulda joined up with Mark and gone to windsor :)

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From: "VJ ZMAN (Jim Zim)" <usfmd3pv@ibmmail.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 14:48:12 EDT
Subject: SICKNESS & a limerick

*** Resending note of 08/05/96 14:22                                            

Hi all, gotta appologize to all of you that I intended to meet at Sickness but  
didn't.  Sickness was the best party I've been to yet.  Other than a potty and  
two drink breaks, I never left the speaker to the left of the DJ's!  My only    
complaint was that I found it a little difficult to dance on dirt, my boots     
kept digging little holes that made my feet tip at angles, and the speakers     
were up on wood platforms making it difficult to get right next to them.  But,  
I'm really not complaining because I did dance the whole time and loved it!     

Next party we have to arrange a meeting time and place and probably I'll have   
my shit together enough to make it.  Wandering around such a huge event looking 
for people I have never meet B4 didn't appeal to me as much as just totally     
getting into the music and dancing my ass off!  I didn't even talk to people I  
did know for more than one or two minutes.  Well anyway, we have the netrave    
coming up pretty soon to party together on a more intimate level I hope.        

Anyway, here's a little tid-bit for ya:                                         

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 

                    Home Page for Nothing'                                      
                    ---------------------                                       
            (To the tune of "Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits)                


            Now look at them yo-yos, that's the way you do it                   
            You write the code that runs the WebTV                              
            That ain't workin', that's the way you do it                        
            Get yer home page for nothin' and your hits for free.               

            Now that ain't workin', that's the way you do it                    
            Lemme tell ya, them guys can code                                   
            Maybe get some backing 'fore they even have a product               
            Maybe in a month they'll IPO.                                       

            We got to install Netscape Web Servers                              
            Custom config delivery                                              
            We got to install all of these browsers                             
            They got to all speak HTTP.                                         

            See that little doofus with the glasses and the cowlick?            
            Yeah buddy, that's his own code.                                    
            That little doofus got a billion options.                           
            That little doofus he just IPO'd.                                   

            We got to install Netscape Web Servers                              
            Custom config delivery                                              
            We got to install all of this fiber                                 
            We gonna need a big ol' T3.                                         

            I shoulda learned to code in Java                                   
            I shoulda learned some CGI                                          
            Look at that web page, they got it dancin' right across the screen. 
            It almost looks alive.                                              
            And what's he downloading now?  Hawaiian noises?                    
            He's banging on that keyboard like a chimpanzee                     
            Aw, that ain't workin', that's the way you do it                    
            Get yer home page for nothin' and your hits for free.               

            We got to install Netscape Web Servers                              
            Custom config delivery                                              
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>but what i want to know...and maybe (definitely)
>this is a plea for help...i dunno...im curious as to whether or not anybody
>else out there is reliant on vibes, or whatever...i
>mean...karma...aura...you know...cuz id totally be interested to discuss
>this in depth with many different ppl...it truly interests me...

Yup Josh, there are other people out there who are reliant on vibes, or
"whatever", hehe ;)  From my own perspective, I'm very empathic, meaning I
*strongly* pick up the vibes/feelings that people project, both consciously
and subconsciously.  (And let me tell you, it's not always such a fun
ability to have when you're at a midwest rave and you don't physically look
like the raver norm, ya get all sortsa interesting "you don't belong here"
vibes directed at ya.  Sheesh.  Although sometimes it *is* a fun ability
'cuz often people say one thing but mean another, and it's nice to be able
to feel what people truly mean and call 'em on it.  Sometimes it's also
handy as a way to get to know people before they even say anything.)
Personally, I'm empathic to the point where if I'm surrounded by enough bad
vibes and am not doing a good enough job keeping other people's energy out
of my own auric field, I will become physically ill!  I've almost
passed-out from it before!  There's nothing strange or funky about empathy,
it's a natural non-physical sense that everybody has, but most people don't
bother to tap into it 'cuz they lean on their 5 physical senses.  (E tends
to heighten empathic senses.)  And to draw from a post I sent through here
a few weeks ago, this stuff is all completely supported by valid scientific
findings and is not bullshit in the least.  These are new areas of study
opening up for those of us who enjoy exploring consciousness.  Actually,
there's nothing new about any of this, it's all ancient knowledge which was
suppressed by the ruling powers (especially over the past couple thousand
years) and is just now being rediscovered.  In the ancient Mystery Schools
of Lemuria, Atlantis, and Egypt, initiates were given working knowledge of
this information, it was commonplace.  (Many of these initiates are
currently in the rave scene and are reawakening and remembering who they
are and where they've been... sorry if that sounds wacked, I'm just
speaking my truth as much as I dare on this harsh war zone of a mailing
list.)

(But karma, you say?  I don't see what karma has to do with any of this...
karma is very very misunderstood by people.)

>and feel rather isolated andd alienated when im surrounded by ppl who
>dont understand and/or dont believe in this sorta shit...

<sigh>, get used to it.  :)  I often feel alien-ated from this entire
planet!  In any case, do take advantage of our internet... you may not have
people in your immediate surroundings who are into this kinda shit, but
there are plenty of us out there.  And we're all starting to network and
come together and share information and pulse good vibes around the planet,
so... join da crowd, bro.  =)

>id be interested in any good books or reading that anyone may know of
>as well...that whole sorta thang, if ya know what im saying...

Lemme know what in particular yer lookin' for, I can probably point ya in
the right direction.  I know of tons of books and resources, or you can tap
into my twisted mind if you can deal with my tweakedness, hehe  ;>

Also, I've written several pages about this kind of shtuff for the zine I'm
editing.  And it's all dealt with in practical, logical, scientific terms,
nothing "hocus pocus" or "new agey".  So check it out, the zine will be
floating around at IO3 and on the web within a few days afterwards, and
then within a couple weeks from that it'll be distributed all over the
midwest.

       Peace & Groove,

            Randy
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virtual server, please lemme know, I'm frantically looking and very
confused... there are sooooo many providers out there, it's hard to know
where to go or which companies are reliable and trustworthy!  Please e-me
privately about this, thanx.]



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Subject: this weekend


well lets start with friday nite...  the funshine girls (whom i
temporarily reside with) decided to throw me a birthday party (19 years
;)    and we somehow organized it in like 1 hour ......hehe    but we got
some beer  (its alright some of the time)  and called up some
peoples.....the sugar twins brought over theirtables and spun...i
attempted to spin (LOL!!!!!!!)     it was hilarious cuz i really am that
bad......then drew, tim krochalk, jeffrey d, and brad (ramylson) spun
(thank you soooo much  *hug*)    then like the neighbor started bitching
and turned off the electricity to the whole apartment bulding....it was
fucked...after packing up the tables and gear we moved it to the sugar
twins house....when we left the apartemnt  the nieghbor who turned off the
electricty and the other neighbors were fighting (very physically) and we
quickly took off....well then  Elaine, levi, and entropy ray spun
woohoo    it was fun.....well after this we went home and to bed to rest
up for.....next message
mikeyd




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>did I say sound was good? I might've but I cant remember.. anyways, Jush
>is right, i did hear a lot of speaker crackling...

i dont recall whether or not you stated anything about sound or not
either...i was just throwing my 2 cents in on it...

>doesn't he have a united DJs CD out? I'll have to check, cuz I want to get
>it if so...

yeah...but ive had such a hard time finding it...if you find it, lemme know
where, kay?...

>I saw scott as he was leaving, like 30 kids were following him around!
>thats gotta be simultaneously good for the ego and very sickening.  I also
>saw someone who had him autograph her shirt- "i got your back, scott
>hardkiss" I just wonder what it would be like if someone booked keoki...
>DJ worship can go too far...

gawd!...i wouldnt wanna see the dj groupies that would hound keoki...tho i
would like to see keoki...and hear him too, of course... ;)


>at one point in the evening (about 4:30am i believe) I got really sad and
>thought to myself "who am I kidding? I'm no raver, i dont have enough
>attitude!" but of course thats not true. Attitude isn't something I want
>at all. And there was HELLA attitude goin around at spundae.  I dont know
>about bad acid, I know of at least 2 girls having good trips...  But I
>only managed to meet one new person there and on average i try to meet 3
>or 4 (not like i remember any of them... I live iwht my head in the couds,
>remember!) 

i dunno...despite the fact that the vibe itself was bad...there were (and
still is) a lot of REALLY phukked up circumstances in my personal life right
now...and in the lives of my closest friends (therefore being in my
life)...so im sure that had something to do with my mood annd the vibe as
well...

>Dustin and Deb were at cnyesthesia selling tickets and they seemed sad to
>be charging so much... Dustin said "im just doing a favor, sorry!" So no
>bad vibes towards dustin!

never any bad vibes towards dustin...one of the NICEST minneapolis ppl ive
met...

>Anyways, No parties this weekend, probably because Alex Patterson will be
>at first ave!  I've waited 3 years for the orb or alex to come through
>town (for some reason I was listening to the orb years before I got into
>techno and raving generally, strange) and now here he is and I'll be in
>the boundary waters! Oh well, I cant live this party every weekend
>lifestyle- gotta take a break at some point.  And I love the boundary
>waters, and I'll be there with good friends, so its all good...

and im broke so i cant go either... :(

>The weekend after that, i'd advise people to avoid "untouchable" solely on
>the basis that it's an MSM party, and if you thought the attitude was bad
>at Rollex, it'll be 20x worse at untouchable... And you can expect $18
>tickets for an even that should be around $12.. Go to rinse cycle the
>night before, the info line said $10 for tickets and the vibe should be
>great at this one! Plus I can see danny the wildchild spin: i missed him
>at bubbilicious thanks to a girl with some laced licorice...

ummm...i dont think its a MSM party...isnt it by a new promotions group
called 'goodfellas'?...yes...im almost sure of it...and word has it, its
gonna be pretty good...course...if ghetto house isnt yer thang, you REALLY
shouldnt go...but i kind alike it myself...one of my good firneds knows the
guys throwing it (and i met them as well) and they seem like they have
decent enuff heads to go about it okay...tho i  could be wrong...sometimes
they got these nasty attitudes other times they are excessively
nice...scratch that...i have *NO* idea about how good this party will
be...but  if my  pay scheduale drops me a check in time ill prolly be
there...and if, again, if i get  a check in time...you *KNOW* ill be at
'rinse cycle'...as should everyone else!....

laters...

*hugs*

JOSH!

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Subject: luv boat  (part 2)


woohoo continuied in case you didnt to read my shit ramblings

the luv boat...well me and sarah (ladybug) headed to chicago after i
stumbled outta bed and got there around 7  or so...we went to the
suppossed preparty and like there was none   :(     so we headed to
untitled and gramaphone   :)     then we went to the navy pier where the
party was     WOW!!!!   fireworks  and a whole big ass festival
woohoo!!!!      we finally found the right boat and like we had to wait 2
hours before we could get on  :(   at 1 am we finally left the harbor and
headed out on the lake   FUKCING YES!!!!!!!!!!!  WOOOHO!!!!  i luv fucking
cruises.....only problem the whole night was the fucking music   :(   i
was bvery very very dissappoointed    the needle kept skipping until they
fixed it then the music was just not up to par  :(    a few great tracks
but the mixing and track order was not right     otherwise the whole "what
if someone falls off the boat/" thing didnt happen   they had good tight
security that was pretty nice...not too bad.....we left the boat at 4 am
and headed to the afterhours at this grungy ass mechanic's shop under the
EL   ....it was in the worst neighborhood  ....i even pulled some no stop
stop signs.....;)      the music got goin    great chicago house ...dont
know who spun but they were real good ...then free nitrous came   ;)    i
didnt do any cuz i attempting to be sober for a while ....but then the
"ou7ter limits" people arted coming and and they started charging for the
nitrous...hehe     well we left around 7:30 and headed back to
milwaukee....overall i thoroughly enjoyed the luv boat and gladly paid the
25 dollars for it....great people     good vibe....  
well folks  im gone

mikeyd




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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com, hardcorp@io.com


Iknow that I am not on the list anymore but i wanted to let you all
know about my weekedn in detroit/windsor.....

Sickness was wonderful..... for starters the site was
heavenly.......
the corn fielsd the main room was a tent in the middle of a cornfield!
it was wonderful!! one room that is all and to top it off the house
next to the site's mailbox said lucifer on it! as for the dj's wow!
Eric Haupt rocked as usuall, Jeff Mills, the main attraction it seemed,
was incredible!!!!!!!!!! and Rioc ugh Rich hawtin was mind blowing as
he always is especially in his native land.....
As for crossing the border 8sigh* problems all around more them several
peop;e were stopped and searched one I know of was even strip searched!
i had never had so much troble getting into canada!
     anyways....thanks to all who made my night wanderful and wonderful!
those include...allroy,miriah,kate,gill,archon,mint,ed (who deserves special
thanks) and as fuor kell...... where the hell were you? =]
     and a special message to muppetfucker.... noah the cost of a plane
ticket and the 20 bucks to get in was well worth it! =P
plur-italia/jen/gabber.goddess



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Subject: Interstellar Outback 3


to interstellar outbackers: I am sooper-dooper excited for IO3, its my
first IO =)  Could anybody tell me or give me an idea of what to expect and
come prepared for, this is my first rave that has involved camping gear....
peace-jaime

ps- this will be my last rave for 1996, so I hope to meet as many of you
that I can and see you all again before i take off :)




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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Mike Wasisco - Synet wrote:

> 
> Perhaps it would help if we take an idea from the intelligent dance music 
> mailing list - 
> 
> All IDM posts have "(idm)" in the subject header. Personally, it makes it 
> easier for me to organize my mail and read it when I have time. 
> 
> If all mw-raves posts had, say, "(mwr)" in the subject header, then I could 
> use a filter to save the messages to a seperate mailbox...
> 
> Jeff, is this something that can be easily done with majordomo?

Good idea. I can't see that it would cause any problems, so I'll look 
into how to set it up, and get it done.

-jeff

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In a message dated 96-08-05 08:15:04 EDT, you write:

<< .i dunno...im curious as to whether or not anybody
 else out there is reliant on vibes, or whatever...i
 mean...karma...aura...you know... >>

        For me, the vibe of the party pretty much makes or breaks the night.
I'm the first to admit that I'm not some bad ass hardcore chick that can just
blow off other ppl's vibes and not let it affect me. I guess I'm sort of
sensitive to how ppl react to one another and I pick up on their body
language pretty quickly. If the party is straight slammin' and everyone is
just dandy then I have absolutely NOTHING to complain about.  In cases like
those I tend to overlook all the other negative things for the sake of the
good vibes and end up having an insane good time.
   
    There are some parties where you can just "Fuck it.  If most of the
people here want to be hootchie bitches and gallant assholes then that's
their dance and I'll just stick to myself."   So then you do your own thing,
don't meet new ppl, stick with your own and have fun anyhow.  

  Then other times the vibes of the party completely blow my dog's nuts and
everyone is just hating EVERYTHING!!  There seems to be no one friendly, no
one ready to give you a smile, and sure as hell no one you can sit down and
meet.  Then you just chill with your own ppl but even that isn't enought of
cheer you up. You accept the fact that the party sucks, not only the crowd
but everything in general, brood for a lil bit and then go home with a
definite consensus that you attended a horrible event.  

        The worst parties tho, IMHO, are those that have absolutely no vibe
at all.  Places where you don't really pick up great vibes, definitely
nothing outright terrible, just kind of there chillin' in the nether-region
of frustrating non-chalance.  That's when you can't make one conclusion but
then you think about what made it so bad and WHY and all this other garbage
that I'm thinking about now.  (I guess I have Josh to thank for this one) 

>and i feel sawrry for
them...and feel rather isolated andd alienated when im surrounded by ppl who
dont understand and/or dont believe in this sorta shit...

I don't know that I necessarily feel isolated with this sort of sense cuz I
don't hold it against those who don't pay attention to it.  I think we all
can pick up on vibes.  Some ppl just pay more attention to it and are more
sensitive it than others.  To be honest, those are the ppl that are prolly
the nicest ppl I've ever met because it shows that they are actually giving a
damn whether or not other ppl are having fun.  Sometimes it doesn't pay to be
so sensitive to that, especially when the vibes are bad, but when things are
going great I get the biggest high off of the fact that other ppl are right
up there with me in terms of partying all out and enjoying the scene. 

I guess the reason I don't feel isolated is because I actually use what I
pick up from other ppl.  I realize that I am sensitive to how others react so
I assume that there are others who are sensitive to how I react to them as
well. When someone smiles, I sure as hell smile back.  I try to be positive
with those who are in their own cloud of happiness.  I crack the grins and
give them hugs when they start their mission of spreading joy and love.  I'm
down to earth towards those who are tweaking out cuz the last thing they need
is to be isolated in their own grounded confusion.  I don't isolate myself
from them because when you start to understand what kind of vibes they are
sending out and get in tuned with that, then you are right on with their
"level".    If you feel that you can read vibes better than most other ppl
and have something which may make you feel isolated, you also have the
advantage of using that knowledge to make yourself more intuned with them. 

This is a way heavy topic of conversation.  One which I could ramble on
forever about, but I think I made my point.  No matter how long winded it is.
 I'm glad someone is actually facing up to the importance of vibes tho.  It's
prolly the core reasons as to why some parties fly and some parties die.  In
any case, take care everyone and hope I didn't bore you guys too badly with
my babble. laterz
peace out
Allyson

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aaaahhh yes...

finally...SOMEone wants to talk about vibes and shtuff...

awesome!....

:D

namelsy and  specifically, this message is for osiris7 and toymasheen...but
i think those ppl that read it willperhaps get something out of it
(enlightenment? joy? a cure for boredom? :P) and can posssibly add to  the
discussion as well as maybe offering some help as to where to acquire
readinsg and infos on this area...

none the less...

i *TOTAALLY* loved what toymasheen and osiris7 had to say...and it helped me
out a lot to kinda relax about it...i dunno if its just a minneapolis thing
or what, but more and more so i have been meeting fewere ppl who admite
vibes exisst, let alone that they rely on them...or perhaps ppl are just
scared to admit that kind of thing...i dunno...

none the less...i think just throwing shit out there (like we are now) for
ppl to take in and digest will add to their (and our) overall understanding
and dealings with vibes...i know that i have learned a bit just in reading
osiris7 and toymesheens mail (and chris ege, too, but hes my boy, so go
figure eh? :D)...it was real kewl to take a few minutes and read some truly
valuble mail that was comprised solely of personal experience and knowledge
and to be able to identify with it and in some areas to take it and apply it
to my own life and interactions with ppl...

i really dont feel that getting into detail about aht is worthwhile...but
maybe some personal experience posted for discussion about vibes would be
helpful and of use?...i awready did my thing (and iguess eveyone who writes
party reveies does to some extent) with mt review of 'spundae'...but if its
not  too bothersome, id love to post some tidbits of vibe experiences from
my past 2 1/2 years of raving...i think a lot can be learned, and definitely
discussed, from reading ppls experiences...

so...lemme know, i guess...

*hugs* as usual...

JOSH!

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Hey all y'all in cyberland-
Just wanted to pose a question.  Does anyone know the exact details about
IO3? As in what time we can start to arrive?  All I know right now is that it
starts on the 16th and parties on til the 18th.
Wondering if anyone can spout out the info and pass it along my way b/c I'm
gonna be on a trip and no where near a computer until the 16th.  So if anyone
knows please share b/c I know I'm not the only one who's all confused.
Thanks.
peace out wif wuv
Allyson

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> 
> There needs to be a return to the 10 $ party, no matter how small the
> flyer, the lights, the lineup, the sound.       Scale it back and get more
> conceptual and caring about the party setup itself (space design for cheap,
> pranks, events, games).      The way things are going we're going to be
> setting off atom bombs just to try and rouse the jaded skulls of the drug
> elite.

brilliantly put...
this needs to be the first paragraph
of a hypothetical "how to promote in minneapolis" phamphlet
lower ticket prices DO mean more people...period
i could give you lists of people who don't go to parties
for the sole reason that they cost too much...
i know very well that parties are expensive to put on
and that promoters are often afraid that they are going to
lose a lot of money
(and rightfully so)
but that doesnt' change the fact that "joe raver"
(or "steve raver" in this case)
just can't afford $20, $18, or even $15 for a party
which is why my group of friends and i have turned
to throwing our own parties every weekend
we have get great vibes, talent, and tons o fun
for nuttin
we had over 200 people show up at our b-day party for
my roommate jenny and gabber girl's b-day party on july 23rd
we had 3 systems
clinton's lights
dj like speedy, jjvaas, alfredo, paul-e-wog, para, capsule, gabber girl etc.
and it was FREE
and most importantly...it was FUN AS HELL 8}
just my $.02



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-- u -- p -- d -- a -- t -- e --

the following is the current status of all that is currently : THE .
MINNEAPOLIS . !DEA . PROJECT :

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=

: W E B . P A G E :
===================

'the minneapolis !dea project' internet home whereabouts release date has
been delayed due to some personal and tekknikal dificulties.  however, it
is currently still under heavy construction and will be unveiled shortly.

: F L Y E R S :
===============

there has been some unforsought difficulties with the printing of the
flyers.  the design however is completed and they look absolutely lovely.
 everyone should drop mister chris ege esquire some e.mail telling him of
his wondeful work after they see them.

:)

: M A G A Z I N E :
===================

articles are currently under preparation, writing, and proofreading for
issue one of 'the minneapolis !dea project' magazine.  issue one release
date is tenatively august 31, 1996 at the minneapolis party 'eelektrik
disko'.

we are still looking for advertisers for issue one <and following issues
as well> for ad rates, please privately e.mail myself at
jdecker@winternet.com, chris ege at crege@piper.hamline.edu, or the
e.mail central headquarters for 'the minneapolis !dea project' at
ideaproject@juno.com.

submissions are also sought and will be considered.  however, no
submissions will be seen in issue one unless you are personally contacted
or requested to submit.  please e.mail all articles, reviews, and such
for consideration to 'the minneapolis !dea project' e.mail central
headquarters at ideaproject@juno.com.

we are also looking for mixtapes and such for honest review in all
forthcoming issues of 'the minneapolis !dea project' magazine.  if
interested in submitting tapes for review, please e.mail myself privately
at jdecker@winternet.com.

: E L S E W H E R E :
=====================

otherwise, things seem to be moving along rahter smoothly and all intial
plans and goals will hopefully be reached.  keep in touch with us and
well keep in touch with you.

: M A K E . C O N T A K T :
===========================

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< P H O N E >		6 1 2 : 3 6 2 : 3 3 8 7

*peace*love*beautiful ideas*

: T H E . M I N N E A P O L I S . ! D E A . P R O J E C T :
formulation of better ideas for
                         the formulation of a better scene

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Empathy and Empathic ability ...  lotsa people have it.  you do, evidently.
 i've got it, too.  actually, i wouldn't be surprised if most of the more
enlightened ravers who are concerned with vibez have it too.
i know i find myself feeling the emotions of others and feeding off of them.
 i can sometimez project as well ... :)

but yeah, i have an especially bad problem with getting physically sick from
bad vibez ... heck, i have to live with the source sometimes (now being one
of them).
alot of what osiris said definitely applies herein and if anyone has some
ideas for how to deal, i would appreciate them (this is a plea for help...).
i mean, i'm usually really good at coping and dealing with conflict or
emotional turmoil, but i'm stretching here.   urk *groans*

alot of times i simply feed off emotions of others and only then notice them
as they appear in myself.  call it what you will, but it can be a pain in the
arse.  reflecting the emotions of others is no fun.

ok, i'm staring to ramble.
gotta get off.

one thing i did mention a little while ago about empathy an other higher
senses is that there are some fiction books i know about written by Anne
McCaffrey.  chk em out.  they're fun.  :)

gotta go ... i'm getting booted by the source of bad vybez.  :(

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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Hey, I have really been lovin this Balistic Bros tape a friend gave me, 
great stuff!

And I'm lookin for some more music like that!  any suggestions?

-jason

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Well we're back from Boulder.   This was stop 2 on the Communique World
Tour.    On this stop we were joined by Nigel Richards and Adam X.

OK.   Now Colorado is not used to hard electronic disco like we favor it
out here.   They don't even get house as hard as we do it.     They
apparantly have very little in the way of sound gear.
WE BROUGHT OUR OWN SOUND SYSTEM.  They drove a van with 
40,000 watts of power, a motherfucking wall of MidWest BASS complete with
the Alien Landing LIghts lasers on top scanning the crowd.   This thing was
huge and had never been seen in this part of the country.    It filled us
with joy.

We got there on Fri., hung around looking at a hundred varieties of hippy
that Boulder has.   Old drug hippies, mature health food hippies, zippy
hippies, teenage hippies and gutter punxs.   Dreadlocked white kids rapping
for audiences in the shopping district.       Phish was playing in Red
Rocks.      Lots of panhandlers, but they all looked like it was  a
lifestyle choice.    Denver is 40 mins away, so its the same rave crowd.  
Adam (Novaboy, along with Andy, the promoters of the party) lives in Fort
Collins (used to live in Mpls.), and a lot of people came down from there. 
 Boulder has health food everywhere, and all the girls have really really
nice skin.     There are no pores in boulder, no sir.
We had a nice hotel, and by the time Nigel showed up we were having a lot
of fun.    Lots of cool people from the area to hang out with and Luke came
from Mpls.  which was great.
We found that the record store had lots of records left that we liked,
because most everyone around there is buying trance and the like., leaving
our fave stuff behind :)   I would also guess that there is no gabber  in
Colorado.   Except for Deadly Buddha who is obviously there for the
Snowboarding.  And gets his records elsewhere.
Saturday some of the gang go to WaterWorld, a Water based amusement park.  
Um, yeah guys.     Luke and I borrow a car from one of our friendly locals
and go eat and Luke turns me onto Odwallas.   these are intense juicer
connoctions with peach apple spirulina ginseng and the like.    Very very
delicious and people drink them constantly.   They can replace a meal !    

We climb up the Flat Irons.    Amazing.    The variety of plants alone make
the midwest seem very mild.   

The space was an old bowling alley, perfect acoustics !    All insulation
on the walls (to keep down the clatter of bowling).   Perfect size too.

 Here was the line up :

dj 343 (boulder) :  he spun all electro, and I didn't hear any Direct Beat
;)  nice scratching.

dj Apollo (communique, mpls)
a nice set from Apollo.    The crowd was still filtering in, so it was hard
to get them over the assault of our hard style.     I'm sure playing
MIchael Jackson's Beat It helped;)    Surgeon probably didn't, but Apollo
definitely hit the groove.

Nimbus Quartet (live, mpls, Sounds)
Dave wasn't too pleased with his set, but I thought the crunchy deep house
sound warmed up the party real nice.  The new Nimbus Quartet record is
another gem !     Its on white label now, look for it in a couple of weeks.
(Woody is his partner in the studio on this stuff, a great partnership)

ESP Woody McBride
Definitely the best set I've ever heard Woody spin !    He was smiling and
doing tricks !     Great smooth mixing and solid groove and acid of the
underground variety.     Every time the MC (another thing Colorado never
has !)   asked for some NOISE, the crowd gave Woody a big scream.

Invisible (communique live, mpls)
909 and 303 (the 808 crapped out) and I got to work the reverb !   
Actually I got to warp stuff out with deep flanges and delays while Kevin
kicked the electro and deep acid grooves.     It sounded killer on the
system.

Adam X (NYC, Sonic Groove)
Always wanted to meet Adam, and we got along great talking for hours.    He
is definitely a damn fine dj with an amazing selection of my kind of techno
: warped out sounds and thick grooves.  He even played a lot of solid
almost housey groove, which surprised me.    He has the new Luke Slater !
(not the peacefrog one that just came out, its another new one)    Also
gave me a test of the next Sonic Groove : distorted waves of ohm.   This is
one fuck of a record.

Timeblind (live, mpls. , Communique, Synewave : that's me :)      )
Equipment problems took out one of my channels, the system was in full
stereo.   Soon I had clowns swarming all over me trying to put the channel
back in and the accidentally turned off the dat machine I was recording my
set with.   :(    This breaks my concentration but I still find lots of
crunchy funky grooves and warp the sound out a lot.    I am dissapointed,
but Nigel keeps whooping and hollering during my set and people from the
crowd tell me they loved my set.   So I should shut up and stop
complaining.   Madison was better.    More crowd interaction there too.

NIgel Richards (Phil. 611 records)
First time seeing NIgel for me.   An interesting cat, after a day of
hanging out we get into each other.     He is an awesome dj, knows all
about shifting booty.   I think he hits just the right combination of funky
hard house to acid / techno.     

Joyride (mpls, Communique, live)
Greg also loses a channel of sound and this makes him very anxious.    We
fix it (after more clown swarming episodes) and he gets a very smooth nice
sounding set out.   I'm proud of him.

Ralph Lauren (pottymouth, mpls. )
Jeeesh.     I decide that Colorado should remember us as having a huge
fucking wall of sound and for saying the word "motherfucker" on the mic a
lot.     Well Dory (Apollo/Ralph Lauren) takes this to an extreme.    Then
he does his nasty nasty nasty ghetto trax set under the RL moniker.    The
crowd screams and yells and loves it.     He has some entranced wild kinky
dancer in front of him for his whole set.    This naturally makes him spin
like a motherfucker !    He pulls it into deep house (7am at this point)
and the sound system shudders to a halt finally.  There are still a good
bunch of people there.   I make Dory apologize on the mic for all the nasty
cussing and stuff.   He does :)      

Total attendance was 700.    We were hoping for more but when I look at it,
I think that's how many we should have expected.    Probably should have
had a smaller line up.    I was proud of all the djs and the quality of the
night.     But most of these guys aren't known out here at all, and the
style is not familiar or popular.    I talked with a lot of people who were
very enthusiastic and happy that they got to hear  that kind of music.   A
lot of these were people who have been out east or mid west or know the
music and its their favorite style.   A lot of them were transplants :)    
 Many many people said the cost (slightly higher than usual) was totally
worth it and the vibe was just incredible for the night.      It was a very
happy party.   It probably didn't have the normal raver elite contingent,
more of the music and dance heads.
3 hours of sleep and load out all the gear and drive to denver and fly home
and crash.............

  Over and Out.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Sattinger                                                            
     

 Reprogramming Our Reality Through Disco

Communique, Synewave, 
Probe, Sounds, Head In the Clouds

discography:
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/
satti002/discography.html
?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

US Techno House Business Resource :

http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/
satti002/DanceLabel.html

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>>On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Chris Sattinger wrote:
>>
>>> There are very few
>>> regulars.    And most of them are getting comped in.

kiwi (Stephen Roberts)

>>        What's "comped in"?
>
>complimentary.     It must be club slang :)

  Over and Out.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Sattinger                                                            
     

 Reprogramming Our Reality Through Disco

Communique, Synewave, 
Probe, Sounds, Head In the Clouds

discography:
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/
satti002/discography.html
?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

US Techno House Business Resource :

http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/
satti002/DanceLabel.html

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Aug  5 22:29:07 1996
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don't have much to say that hasn't been said - jeff mills was great, his
mixing wasn't so tight, but he more than made up for it in energy.
richie's set was completely different, mills was like a tornado, kicked
ass from start to finish while richie's set had great build and flow to
it. 
most people seemed to have left before acquaviva started at 6 or so. he
played pretty disco-housey, which isn't really my thing, but it worked
great to get the hundred of exhausted people back on their feet and
dancing until the party ended around 9. as he left everyone was
complaining that it was supposed to go until noon - that pretty much sums
up how good it was. 
BTW - we got searched at the detroit-windsor border (didn't have anything
of course), when we pulled in the search area it was full of rave kids. i
think they were pulling over everyone going there because they asked me
where i was going and wanted to know exactly. it was pretty fun seeing all
those people getting searched, the only better thing would've been if
someone had their stereo going and everyone was dancing (though I don't
think the customs people would've appreciated that)

eric



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Nothing new to add to the CULTURE SHOCK news - if you plan to make it up for
this party pleese let me know and i'll get you a net.raver badge for it.

Right now (besides Chris E. and Josh D.) we are also looking for various
people to do some shit work (lugging stuff, setting up) - you'll get in free
and I'll even let you rub my belly.  Also looking for peepz to do some
massive flyering after the 10th when the flyers come out.  We'll be hitting
all the usual jointz and then some.  We also have some schlocky flyering
tactics that we were looking for people to help out with (anyone want to be
a gorilla at elektrik disko??)

I'm also looking for voice mails in iowa, st. louis and chicago.  If anyone
can help out in the area pleeze lemme know!

check the next message for more info on EA >>

earache
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The following is the inside text for the EA flyer (it's an 8x5 4 page
booklet with a glossy color cover and 4 pages worth of text on the insides).
Since I've recieved such a positive response to what we're trying to do I
thought I'd forward the text and hope to get some feedback and further ideas
for EA.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

What is EA?
What does it stand for?
-----------------------
EA stands for two things: it's an acronym for Engineered Atmosphere and also
refers to the babylonian god of water, from which the whole Aquarius thing
springs from.  the Inneraktive Nettwerx Atmosphere Design Unit is putting
together EA as Minneapolis's first large scale ambient event, an event
designed and engineered to provide a suspension from the mainstream time
context and to create a gap in reality that our culture can immerse
themselves in.  EA is about being extraordinary, about pushing the mind set
of our scene into a new, exciting and creative way.  We do this by spending
an insane amount of time on the design and engineering of the atmosphere of
the event - through programming lighting, music, props, video, film and
special surprises that will keep the energy and flow on a constant the whole
night through.


What can I expect at EA?
------------------------
There are so many things to expect that the best advice we can give you is
to expect nothing and everything.  EA is being engineered on the concept of
combining the tones of the muzik with the tones of atmosphere to create an
"environment" suited to creative discovery and for nurturing connections
between the separate joints of our culture.  EA is a chance for all the
different participants of our scene to come together and interact, and -
from this interaction - hopefully build a new foundation or direction for
the future of the scene.  EA is about the mental groove, the spiritual
groove and the physical groove.

Some people seem set off at the idea of a night of strictly ambient muzik.
This approach to EA isn't the approach we are taking.  EA isn't music
centric, it isn't atmosphere centric.  It's people centric.  The deejays and
artists providing the aural sensations for the night will be working with
the flow and the mood of the event, responding as the people respond.
Expect a night of not only ambient music, but also of ambient house, minimal
tekkno and slow spacey jungle and acid jazz.  

EA will take place in a two room site.  A lot of concentration and planning
is going into the lighting design, video presentations and various other
extras.  How we unify these separate elements to create a relaxed,
comfortable environment is how we plan to measure the success of EA.  The
freedom of communication and the defeating of self-imposed borders when
related to inter-personal communication rely heavily on how relaxed those
doing the communicating are.  For EA to be truly successful it must be a
relaxed and easy environment.  Part of this relies on the event planners
(us) but a good deal also rests on those attending (you).  Attitudes,
immodesty, egotism and all related flaws of human nature should be checked
at the door, as they will ruin the flow and the vibe.

And, in a nutshell, that's what to expect at EA.


Who is inneraktive nettwerx?
----------------------------
Inneraktive Nettwerx is basically one person, with additional people helping
out in the area of event planning and promotion.  Inneraktive Nettwerx's
main pupose is the distribution of a piece of tekkno muzik making software
called tekknoBOX through the internet and various other means.  We are also
involved in various internet orientated things as well as contributing to
the on-line tekkno culture.  Our goal with organizing and promoting events
is to help foster the minneapolis tekkno scene and to, hopefully, add a few
twists to how things are done.  Anyone interested in any further information
on inneraktive nettwerx can send email to earache@inneraktive.com or visit
our web site at http://www.inneraktive.com


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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Davis Bassan wrote:

> The second room was the best one I think.

I got to spin in the second room , actually.  I hope you like the jungle 
cuz that was me.

I went on after DJ Goody who went on after Wilhelm K.

> French E

PS. did you get my tape?  somebody said they were either going to give it 
to you or tim @ evolution...

just wonderin...

-shawn
misfit


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here's my thoughts on vibes.

i think the vibe, in most cases <possibly all> makes the party.  the vibe is a
great thing...  and when a party has a good wonderful happyhappyjoyjoy vibe...
that's EXCELLENT and the party usually turns out wonderfully :)

however, when there is a bad vibe :(  at a party and people are just generally
being bitchy and the like........ here's my way.

i try to make the vibe good again!  smiles, candy, dancing, hey... if i'm the
only one on the dancefloor, i don't care because somebody might be enjoying
watching me <and trust me, i've been there  *coughcoughstarchildren!cough*  the
part about being the only one on the dancefloor, i mean.  not that anyone was
watching me :P  maybe someon was.  i dunno.  :P  but enough rambling...>

i think that vibe can be changed and reversed.  just as seeing tons of cops
enter a party to bust it <and that's never happened to me in all my madison
party days... that just seems like something that would kill good vibes> would
kill a good vibe... something good can negate the bad vibe and we can all be
happy for one nite in our lives before we go back into the depressing
monotonous real world where we have to accept that people will look at you
funny for being different.  that's why i love parties... there's a general
acceptance.... people are happy...  i get to listen to the music i love...
enjoy watching the djs work the crowd into a frenzy..... i love the scene and i
don't want to leave it until it is dead as we know it.t.

hope everyone enjoyed that rambling.  =)

jon.

"i'm a lover, not a fighter."


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Thanx everybody for all the fun discussion with this thread!  You rule!!  =)

>Empathy and Empathic ability ...  lotsa people have it.  you do, evidently.
> i've got it, too.  actually, i wouldn't be surprised if most of the more
>enlightened ravers who are concerned with vibez have it too.

Heh, well... I can groove on what you're saying here, but for the sake of
clarity and fairness, I certainly wouldn't consider myself more
"enlightened" than anyone else.  I try to look at all people as my equal,
we all have our own individual paths and lessons to learn, eh?  I know you
weren't trying to imply any sort of inequality with what you said, I know
what you were trying to say, it's just that I sensed there were some people
who read what you said and got the wrong idea, so I wanted to clarify on
your behalf.  ;)

>but yeah, i have an especially bad problem with getting physically sick from
>bad vibez ... heck, i have to live with the source sometimes (now being one
>of them).
>alot of what osiris said definitely applies herein and if anyone has some
>ideas for how to deal, i would appreciate them (this is a plea for help...).
>i mean, i'm usually really good at coping and dealing with conflict or
>emotional turmoil, but i'm stretching here.   urk *groans*

Wow... "how to deal" is a major topic.  I would love to ramble about
various ways to cleanse your energy and ground yourself and strengthen your
aura, all of which help in dealing with empathic sensitivity... but shit,
I'm soooooo pressed for time with this whole zine thing and need to focus
on that, the printing deadline is right around the corner.  *Please*
remember to ask me about this in a few weeks when I have my life back, I
have a LOT to say!!!!  For now I'll just say this, in case any of you find
it helpful:  I know sometimes when I end up taking in other people's shit
it's because I'm not being definitive enough about the state I desire to be
in.  I'm just kinda in neutral, so I'm liable to pick stuff up.  Did that
make sense?  But if I consciously *take responsibility* for my vibe and
decide what vibe I wish to resonate (I generally choose the love vibration)
=), and then focus on that and *strengthen* the vibe I am resonating, then
by being more definitive about what I want and strengthening my own vibe I
will a) prevent vibrations which aren't in resonance with my own from
entering my bio-electric (auric) field, and b) it will create *SYMPATHETIC
RESONANCE* in other people... that is, it's the ol' "if you strike a tuning
fork tuned to middle C and then feel the strings on a piano, you'll find
that the middle C string is vibrating because the tuning fork is in
resonance with it and the vibrations have set it off"... so by resonating
the frequency I choose and make an effort to hold myself in, I set that
frequency off in others.  So if I'm resonating love... that will strike the
love chord in other people and set them off.  Ya follow?  The key as I see
it then is to be certain of what vibe you wish to put off and actively go
with it and put energy into it to strengthen it -- feel it, visualize it,
sing it, whatever you need to do -- don't just float around in neutral
where you'll pick up other people's garbage.  I hope I'm making sense, it's
hard to put this stuff in words.  :)

This is fascinating stuff, is it not?  Wow, I'm so glad y'all are into
it... just wait'll you see this zine!!!!  I've gone into this same stuff in
great detail!!

>alot of times i simply feed off emotions of others and only then notice them
>as they appear in myself.  call it what you will, but it can be a pain in the
>arse.  reflecting the emotions of others is no fun.

Man, you nailed that right on target!!  I can totally relate to that...

Anyways, gotta run...

  <beaming the love vibration out to mw-raves>,

                   Randy
                    a d
                     n       Rainbow Freq!
                    a d      osiris7@cris.com
                   Randy     http: [Yeah, yeah, you know the shpiel...]

               "Happiness is not a state to arrive at,
                but a manner of traveling."  -M. L. Runbeck



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----------
From: 	mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com on behalf of Toymasheen@aol.com
Sent: 	Monday, August 05, 1996 9:04 PM
To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: 	IO3...does anyone know?  (mwr)

Hey all y'all in cyberland-
Just wanted to pose a question.  Does anyone know the exact details about
IO3? As in what time we can start to arrive?  All I know right now is that it
starts on the 16th and parties on til the 18th.
Wondering if anyone can spout out the info and pass it along my way b/c I'm
gonna be on a trip and no where near a computer until the 16th.  So if anyone
knows please share b/c I know I'm not the only one who's all confused.
Thanks.
peace out wif wuv
Allyson


Ok......Interstellar Outback will open the gates at noon. People with tickets 
won't need to wait in line. The music will start at 4 Pm for the third system, 
second system will start at 7 pm, and the main will start 8 pm. People should 
come before dark because you don't want to set up your tent in the 
dark......there will be water and electricity available on most of the camp 
site. So you can bring extension cords and lights. 

There will be two EMT's available. A store will also open during regular 
hours. Don't forget your swimsuits, sun lotion, clothes, tent, flashlights, 
batteries, basicaly anything you may or could use for 3 days. and forget 
attitude, don't need, don't want it.

There will be an information both at the entrance with the line up.

One request : IO3 will take place in a beautiful environment...keep it 
clean...don't be a litter bug

Have a safe trip and plenty of fun....more info soon....location will be 
released on August 14th.

French E

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Hey all. 

Just wanted to say hi.. I just joined the list cos we are headed out that
way in a few weeks. It's always cool to learn a few people's names before
getting to a new place. Hope to meet soem of you at Rave Em and Bail-e.

peace

  |_e_/    Dennis Barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com>
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SORRY, I previously sent this from an account I can't get mail from.. This
one is good:

So....

Hey all. 

Just wanted to say hi.. I just joined the list cos we are headed out that
way in a few weeks. It's always cool to learn a few people's names before
getting to a new place. Hope to meet soem of you at Rave Em and Bail-e.

peace

  |_e_/    Dennis Barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com>
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug  6 06:19:45 1996
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Mike Wassico said...
[...]
> If all mw-raves posts had, say, "(mwr)" in the subject header, then I could 
> use a filter to save the messages to a seperate mailbox...

I already do this.  Filter using the From: header.  it always has mw-raves 
in it somewhere.


- stevenJ
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Occupied America

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Actually, I filter using the To: header.  Sorry, it's very early.


- sj

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On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Mike Wasisco - Synet wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Perhaps it would help if we take an idea from the intelligent dance music 
> > mailing list - 
> > 
> > All IDM posts have "(idm)" in the subject header. Personally, it makes it 
> > easier for me to organize my mail and read it when I have time. 
> > 
> > If all mw-raves posts had, say, "(mwr)" in the subject header, then I could 
> > use a filter to save the messages to a seperate mailbox...
> > 
> > Jeff, is this something that can be easily done with majordomo?
> 
> Good idea. I can't see that it would cause any problems, so I'll look 
> into how to set it up, and get it done.
> 
> -jeff
> 

I don't see why this type of filtering can't be accomplished now.   If 
you are using pine, you can filter with procmail.  This is what I do, it 
filters off oof the TO: field (since everything to the list is sent to 
the same address, mw-raves@hyperreal.com)

You can also do this with Eudora.  I am sure there is a way to do it with 
most mail packages.

Check out the FAQ on mail filtering at this site:
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html
It has a great easy to use section on procmail and other stuff too!

On the downside of changing the subjects, If we no longer had the subject 
to indicate the content of the messages, it just makes mail management 
harder.  Namely, I wouldn't know to delete all the "No X style of music 
is better" & "But drugs are better than music!"  posts.

Just some thoughts,

*~cosmic~~~

See you all at IO3
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Hey, anybody go to Seduktion in Chicago Saturday night?
It was mt first rave experience, and it was pretty disappointing.
$15, not many people, nice lights and smoke, but only spurts of
good music.

Any comments from anyone else?

Mark

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I don't post here that often, i mainly use this news group because i like to re 
ad the party reviews...they get my adrenaline rushing...keep me excited, and i  
think it is a good way to find out about parties going on in the midwest. plus  
it gives me something to do at work.                                            

i am kinda goin out of my way to post this because of the some of the complaint 
s i have heard about sickness/recovery. it's funny cause i was just thinkin how 
 perfect the party was and wanted to let the organizers know that i (and i thin 
k the majority of people) appreciated all the work that went into getting that  
party to fly.                                                                   

i don't know many people in the "scene", and usually end up going to the partie 
s by myself or with my girl friend. because of that it takes a real cool venue  
and awesome tunz/lights to keep my goin.                                        

this party had it all. the dj's were hot. fukkin smokin at that. the lights wer 
e cool. the whole area was super fine. how often do you get to hang outside, th 
row down to phat jams under a beutiful night sky, hang out by an awesome bon fi 
re, and basically chill with a lot of cool people? the way i see it is i got to 
 do all this for only 20 bucks?!?!?! when i go to a movie with my girl, we spen 
d that much after popcorn etc, and it only lasts maybe 2 hours. i will always s 
pend 20 bucks for the kind of entertainment i had at sickness/recovery.         

as for the directions and the voice mail and the parking situation. oh well. i  
kinda get a kick out of havin to find other people who are lost and working tog 
ether to find a party...it's fun lookin and lookin, and then finally...there it 
 is. you see lights off in the distance and as you get closer you start to hear 
 the pounding base.....it always excites me. it seems too Cobo Hall ish (detroi 
ters) to have perfect directions to a party, to drive up and have niceparking   
all along the street and everbody files in single file just like good ravers. i 
ts hard for me to explain, but having a little mystery involved kinda enhances  
the experience. i'm not sayin i want to have to search for 2 hours for a party, 
 but you know what i mean.                                                      

anyways thanks to everyone involved in getting the party together. i had an awe 
some time...even though i ruined my favorite dancin shoes in the dirt, i would  
do all over agian tonight if i could.!!!                                        




chow for now.                                                                   


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From: John-Andrew  Murphy <JMURPHY4@VMA.CC.ND.EDU>
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I have had a number of requests for information regarding the "real"
Rave 'til Dawn cd. Apparently there are a couple of them circulating, and
not all of them have the same tracks. So, for those of you who wrote and
asked me which tracks were on it. Here they are:

Rave 'til Dawn (1992, SBK Records)

Apotheosis    -    O Fortuna                 (Apocalypse Chorus Mix)
Ottorongo     -    Fuck You                  (Singalongmotherfucker Mix)
The Movement  -    Jump                      (Mutha Mix)
2 Unlimited   -    Get Ready for This        (Orchestral Mix)
Blue Pearl    -    Can You Feel The Passion  (Palladium Mix)
Code Red      -    Dreamer, Dream
Two Little    -    Sylophonia
Boys
Praga Kahn,   _    Injected with a Poison     (MNO Power Mix)
featuring
Jade 4 U
Shut Up and Dance - Green Man                 (Rum and Black Mix)
Lords of Acid -    Take Control
Channel X          A Million Colors

That's it. If anyone wants a copy, I'll record it for you. It's a fun CD.

Peace,
John-Andrew

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In a message dated 96-08-05 21:41:06 EDT, Joshua Decker writes:

<< .but if its
 not  too bothersome, id love to post some tidbits of vibe experiences from
 my past 2 1/2 years of raving...i think a lot can be learned, and definitely
 discussed, from reading ppls experiences...
 
 so...lemme know, i guess...
  >>


I think that would be rather interesting, to hear different ppl's experiences
I suppose.  If anything it'll give us an eye into how one think, reacts and
justifies their actions in certain situations.  Just don't want it to end up
being sessions of "Fuck this scene and fuck that scene cuz their vibe sucks"
kind of thing.   
I have some pretty crazy experiences to tell but since it was your idea,
Josh's I think you should start it off...er...something.   Well that's my
input into that whole topic.  Anyone else?  
take care 
Allyson

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From: Chris Ege <crege@piper.hamline.edu>
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> here's my thoughts on vibes.

It looks like Josh's original post has slpit two ways! I think he was
actually talking about picking up emotional clues (not a good description,
but it'll have to do) from people and empathy, not the vibe of a party.
But no matter, the vibe of a party can be very intertwined with people's
emotions and it's a fun subject too.

> i try to make the vibe good again!  smiles, candy, dancing, hey... if i'm the

it's hard to do.  I work at it too and hope that I'm making a difference
for at least a few people. but who knows... and some parties just cant be
saved.

> only one on the dancefloor, i don't care because somebody might be enjoying
> watching me <and trust me, i've been there  *coughcoughstarchildren!cough*  the
> part about being the only one on the dancefloor, i mean.  not that anyone was
> watching me :P  maybe someon was.  i dunno.  :P  but enough rambling...>

I've done the alone on the dancefloor thing too (at reFRESHed... coulda
been a bomb club event! but nobody showed...) and sometimes it can be
really satisfying.  And you'd be surprised at who's watching you dance! I
mean, I dont consider myself a good dancer, but at phoenix these two girls
came over and told me that the'd been watching me dance all night! and
it's happened a few other times too.  It seems to come along with a good
vibe- maybe i dance better when i'm happy but i never get people telling
me how good i dance when im at a bad vibe party (of course maybe bad vibes
make people not want to talk. seems logical)

> i think that vibe can be changed and reversed.  just as seeing tons of cops
> enter a party to bust it <and that's never happened to me in all my madison
> party days... that just seems like something that would kill good vibes> would
> kill a good vibe... something good can negate the bad vibe and we can all be
> happy for one nite in our lives before we go back into the depressing
> 

Sure, in amdison anything can happen! Madison's the secret land of good
vibe fairies, i'm convinced.But minneapolis on the other hand...  I dont
think anything can change a party in progress in minneapolis. it's an odd
situation.

> funny for being different.  that's why i love parties... there's a general
> acceptance.... people are happy...  i get to listen to the music i love...
> enjoy watching the djs work the crowd into a frenzy..... i love the scene and i
> don't want to leave it until it is dead as we know it.t.

Let me take this opportunity to say I'm really jealous of people that can
go to madison parties all the time.  And also to ask if there are any good
art schools I can transfer to in madison ;)

chris

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ok for all  thats attendn 'Love Revolution'
i remember talked to some of you about this.
so here it is:

2.00am at the mix tapes table, if there is not mix tape table
then at the place where they are selling the bottled H2O. 
superkewl  8D

i'll be wearing a bright green freshjive shirt and backback
and mi hermano will have a silver/shiny shirt.

so if ya want, write back so we can recognize you (:-|)

this party will be very special because of d. carter and l.l.vega
so hope to see lots of ya there.

********
oh, heres my 2.1 cents on the 'Vibes and such' thread:

"Vibe is a good thing,
     Maybe the best of things,
         And no good Vibe EVER dies"

peace, love, hugs and backrubs

john


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On  6 Aug 96 at 9:30, Jim Owens wrote:

> 
> I don't see why this type of filtering can't be accomplished now.   If
> you are using pine, you can filter with procmail.  This is what I do, it
> filters off oof the TO: field (since everything to the list is sent to
> the same address, mw-raves@hyperreal.com)
> 
> You can also do this with Eudora.  I am sure there is a way to do it with
> most mail packages.
> 
> Check out the FAQ on mail filtering at this site:
> http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filtering-faq/faq
> .html It has a great easy to use section on procmail and other stuff too!
> 

if UNIX isn't your flavor and you don't wanna pay for the commercial 
version of Eudora you can also pick up the FREE program Pegasus Mail at
http://www.pegasus.usa.com/welcome.htm
it includes filtering and other beautiful features that you would want to 
pay for and it's shareware.  there are versions for DOS, Win3.1x, Win95, 
and Macintoys available.  the most recent release for windows includes 
clickable links to URLs, and when replying to only a seciton of someone's 
email message you can highlight just that section and hit reply and only 
that portion is included and not the whole thing.  great for longwinded 
typists, and those annoying two megabyte .sig's

but please, whatever flavor you use, PLEASE use a filter, we wouldn't want 
you to miss the email from your aunt in omaha because of idle chatter on 
the mwraves list!

--star*
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____for the observer. 
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug  6 10:45:46 1996
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This posting is mainly in response to Earaches's request for flyer distribution 
but I'd be happy to pass out flyers in the Detroit area for anyone willing to   
send some to me.  Maybe some day I'll have some and you can reciprocate :)      

My address:  Jim Zimmerman                                                      
             1511 First St. #409                                                
             Detroit MI 48226.                                                  

I go to 99% of the Detroit area parties, sometimes Windsor, Toledo, and East    
Lansing too.  Plus I work at St. Andrews Hall on friday nights and I can pass   
flyers out there too.  I could also make a special trip to "Record Time" or     
"Save The Vinyl" (two Detroit area record stores).                              

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug  6 10:56:37 1996
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Alan use DJ T-1000 in the USA and DJ Alan Oldham in Europe....just to clear 
things out.

French E (Maxximum@msn.com)

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At 11:54 PM 8/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> > >Alan Oldham      (Generator Records.Detroit)
>> > >DJ T-1000        (Generator Records.Detroit)
>
>Aren't they the same person?

i've never heard of him using his real name on a flier, but yes, t-1000 is
alan oldham.

-ferris.

> Peace and Love
> 
>                       trevor lamont
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> For bookings call 1-800-619-9296 or email trevor88@lex.infi.net
>
> Or call my manager at 615-298-1883 (BAM Management)
>
> Home page: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/8917/index.html
>
> House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!     It's for love!!!
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug  6 11:01:36 1996
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and on the subject of early rave comps...


another great series is the "radikal tekno" series, i have volume 2, and 
besides o fortuna, it has "loosy" by ya-ya's (?) and a couple of my 
favortie sound of the "old school", the slow breaks with bleep bloop WHOO 
noises over them and the occasional diva and synth line. and as if that 
wan't enough, you get 

DJ KEOKI AND DISCO 2000 "LET THE RAVE BEGIN"

whoo whoo!

enjoy,
dylan

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Please copy and distribute.
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THE REFORMER'S CALENDAR                    (updated 8/6/96)
A service of the Drug Reform Coordination Network

The Reformer's Calendar is a comprehensive listing of events 
relating to drug policy reform, as well as related events on 
a range of topics that are likely to be of interest to some 
of our readers.  These topics include, but are not limited 
to, sentencing, justice reform, liberty, AIDS, needle 
exchange, harm reduction, methadone maintenance, asset 
forfeiture, pain treatment, drugs and the law, and skills-
building for activists.

We rely on our readers for intelligence gathering, and we 
list big conferences as well as small local meetings -- you 
name it, send it in!  Listing of an organization's 
activities in the Reformer's Calendar does not imply 
endorsement of or by DRCNet.  If you know of an event coming 
up, please let us know by sending the information to: 
DRCNet, 4455 Connecticut Ave., NW, Suite B-500, Washington, 
DC 20008-2302, (202) 362-0030 (voice), (202) 362-0032 (fax), 
e-mail drcinfo@drcnet.org. (Please note that our Internet 
server is temporarily down, hence our web sites and 
organizational e-mail are currently inaccessible.  We are 
hoping service will be restored later this week.  In the 
meantime, please send correspondence to borden@intr.net.)

Featured items in this issue of the Reformer's Calendar are 
the 10th International Conference on Drug Policy Reform, 
Nov. 6-9 in Washington, DC; the 1st National Harm Reduction 
Conference, Sep. 18-21 in Oakland, CA; and The Lindesmith 
Center's Special Drug Policy Seminar Series, Drug Treatment 
Reconsidered: Harm Reduction Perspectives, in New York City, 
ongoing through Oct. 17.

===========================================================

August 6, 4:00pm, New York, NY
Methadone treatment as part of normal health care: The 
Amsterdam experience.  Gerrit van Santen, MD, speaks on 
integrating methadone maintenance treatment with existing 
health care services.  At The Lindesmith Center, 888 7th 
Ave., 27th floor, New York, NY.  Call (212) 887-0695 to 
reserve a place.

August 6, Merion, PA
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
information, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or Irv & 
Cooky Duboff at (610) 667-9313.

August 6, Portland, OR
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
information, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or 
Lorraine Heller at (503) 292-5364.  Oregon FAMM meets on the 
first Tuesday of each month.

August 7, 6:30 pm, Cambridge, MA
Coalition of Prisoner Families and Friends meeting.  At the 
American Friends Service Committee office, 2161 
Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02140, north of the Porter 
Square T-stop.  Call (617) 661-6130 to verify.

August 7-10, Santa Monica, CA
Anatomy of Trying Drug Cases.  Annual meeting & seminar of 
the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers 
(NACDL).  For info, contact Kate Carroll at (202) 872-8688.

August 9, 7:30pm, Waltham, MA
Massachusetts Cannabis Reform Coalition Summer Meeting, at 
Costello's Pub, 869 Main St.  Dutch Treat dinner at 7:30, 
followed by a Kick-Off Freedom Rally '96 meeting.  Seats for 
dinner are limited, so call (617) 944-CANN to RSVP.

August 10, 11:00am-3:00pm, Buellton, CA
California C.U.R.E. chapter meeting at Federico's Mexican 
Restaurant, 585 McMurry.  Topic will be the current status 
of legal challenges to the proposal to restrict visitations 
by the California Department of Corrections.  For info, call 
Barbara Green at (805) 733-7908; please do not call the 
restaurant.  The California chapter of Citizens United for 
the Rehabilitation of Errants is focusing on Family 
visitation regulations and restrictions, Modification of the 
California 3-Strikes Law, and Meaningful education/work for 
prisoners in the implementation of Prison Based Industries 
in California prisons.

August 13, noon, Washington DC
National Drug Strategy Network meeting, 122 Maryland Ave. NE 
(ACLU building).  For information, call Eric Sterling at 
(202) 835-9075.

August 13, 7:30pm, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
info, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or Tena Aiello at 
(954) 527-4903.  Ft. Lauderdale FAMM meets on the second 
Tuesday of each month.

August 14, 5:00pm - 7:00pm, Redway, CA
Declaration Workshop, training volunteers in how to take a 
declaration from a complainant.  Sponsored by the Civil 
Liberties Monitoring Project.  For information, call Connie 
Rose at (707) 923-4646.

August 15, 7:00pm, Tucson, AZ
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  
Arizona FAMM meets the third Thursday of each month.  For 
info, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or Marilyn 
Krausch at (602) 887-0907.

August 16, 7:00pm - 9:00pm, Redway, CA
The Humboldt Bandwagon, sponsored by the Civil Liberties 
Monitoring Project, at the Mateel Community Center in 
Redway.  The Bandwagon is a monthly musical variety program, 
sponsored by different community not-for-profit 
organizations, and broadcast live on local public radio.  
Net proceeds go to the sponsoring group.  For information 
and/or tickets, contact Connie Rose at (707) 923-4646.

August 16-19, Beverly Shores, IN
Citizens United for the Rehabilitation of Errants (CURE) 
federal conference, at St. Ann's Church in Beverly Shores, 
Indiana.  For info, contact Charlie Sullivan, P.O. Box 2310, 
Washington, DC 20013-2310, (202) 789-2126.

August 17-18, San Luis Obispo, CA
Get Out the Vote conference for the California Medical 
Marijuana Initiative, featuring speakers from Californians 
for Medical Rights, Friends of the Medical Marijuana 
Initiative, Cannabis Buyer's Clubs and California NORML.  At 
the Monday Club, 1815 Monterey St., San Luis Obispo, corner 
of Monterey and Grand, starting 10:00am Saturday morning.  
For info, directions or hotel & campground recommendations, 
call the Grassroots Support Center, (510) 486-8090, or 
Californians for Medical Rights, (310) 394-2952.

August 19-24, Whistler, British Columbia
Reclaiming Our Liberties From Out-of-Control Governments.  
International libertarian conference sponsored by the 
International Society for Individual Liberty.  For info, 
contact Kurt Pokrandt, ISIL Conference Registrar, 89 
Bonnymuir Drive, Vancouver, BC, Canada V7S 1L1, (604) 926-
0396 (voice/fax), Kurt_Pokrandt@mindlink.bc.ca, or 
http://clipper.uvic.ca/~luxlucre/isilcon96/ on the web.

August 20, 7:30pm-9:30pm, Houston, TX
Who Should Lead The War On Drugs?  Doctors Or The Police?  
Public forum featuring Kevin Zeese of Common Sense for Drug 
Policy, with panelists Lee Brown recently US "drug czar," 
now Professor of Public Affairs and Senior Scholar of the 
Baker Institute at Rice University, Tom Burks, Executive 
V.P. for Research & Academic Affairs at the UT Health 
Science Center, and a former President of the American 
Society for Pharmacology & Experimental Therapeutics, Asst. 
Chief Art Contreras of the Houston Police Dept., James 
Douglas, President of Texas Southern University, formerly 
Dean of the Thurgood Marshall School of Law at TSU, and 
Malcolm Skolnick, Professor of Technology and Health Law at 
the UT School of Public Health.  Moderated by Ned Hibberd of 
Channel 26's "City Under Siege."  At the Physics 
Amphitheatre at Rice University.  First of a series of 
three. For info, call (713) 266-4329 (Houston), (214) 827-
1514 (Dallas), or e-mail dtwn02a@prodigy.com.

August 20, 4:00pm, New York, NY
A harm reduction analysis of traditional drug treatment.  
Edith Springer, ACSW, is Clinical Director of the New York 
Peer AIDS Education Coalition (NYPAEC) and a harm reduction 
trainer.  A panel of NYPAEC peer educators will join Ms. 
Springer in articulating the difference between harm 
reduction models and moral, criminal, and disease models.  
At The Lindesmith Center, 888 7th Ave., 27th floor, New 
York, NY.  Call (212) 887-0695 to reserve a place.

August 21, 6:30pm, Cambridge, MA
Coalition of Prisoner Families and Friends meeting.  At the 
American Friends Service Committee office, 2161 
Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02140, north of the Porter 
Square T-stop.  Call (617) 661-6130 to verify.

August 21, 5:00pm - 7:00pm, Redway, CA
Video Techniques Workshop, given by a volunteer of the Civil 
Liberties Monitoring Project.  How to use a video camera to 
document law enforcement activities and civil rights abuses.  
For information, call Connie Rose at (707) 923-4646.

August 22-25, Seattle, WA
2nd National HIV/AIDS Housing Conference.  For information, 
contact AIDS Housing of Washington, (206) 443-3320 (voice), 
(206) 441-9485 (fax).

August 24, Tallahassee, FL
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
information, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM.

September 3, Portland, OR
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
information, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or 
Lorraine Heller at (503) 292-5364.  Oregon FAMM meets on the 
first Tuesday of each month.

September 7, 10:15am-noon, Washington, DC
Forum on the US Probation Department, sponsored by Families 
Against Mandatory Minimums, at the Martin Luther King 
Library, 901 G Street NW, Room 315.

September 7, Butner, NC
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
information, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM.

September 10, 7:30pm, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
information, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or Tena 
Aiello at (954) 527-4903.  Ft. Lauderdale FAMM meets on the 
2nd Tuesday each month.

September 11, 6:30 pm, Cambridge, MA
Coalition of Prisoner Families and Friends meeting.  At the 
American Friends Service Committee office, 2161 
Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02140, north of the Porter 
Square T-stop.  Call (617) 661-6130 to verify.  Meets weekly 
on Wednesdays during the fall through spring.

September 12, 4:00pm, New York, NY
Methadone clinics: An informed critique.  Robert Maslansky, 
MD, Medical Director of the Addiction Rehabilitation 
Program, a methadone maintenance treatment program at NYU-
Bellevue Medical Center, will discuss the struggle to 
provide appropriate, individualized care within a standard 
methadone clinic.  Dr. Maslansky will be joined by patients 
from the NYU-Bellevue MMTP.  At The Lindesmith Center, 888 
7th Ave., 27th floor, New York, NY.  Call (212) 887-0695 to 
reserve a place.

September 15-18, Austin, TX
Expanding on What Works: 4th Annual Research Conference of 
the International Community Corrections Association.  
Includes workshops on Restorative Justice, Juvenile Justice 
issues, Impact of drunk driving crashes, Differential 
Supervision, Treatment Readiness and Responsivity, and other 
topics.  Admission ranges from $40 to $250, depending on how 
much of the conference one attends, when one registers and 
whether one is a member.  For more information, contact 
ICCA, P.O. Box 1987, LaCrosse, WI 54602, (608) 785-0200 
(voice), (608) 784-5335.

September 17, Texas Southern University.
Has The War On Drugs Done More Harm Than Good?  Featuring 
Dan Baum, author of Smoke and Mirrors: The War on Drugs and 
the Politics of Failure.  Sponsored by the Drug Policy Forum 
of Texas.  For info, call (713) 266-4329 (Houston), (214) 
827-1514 (Dallas), or e-mail dtwn02a@prodigy.com.

September 17, Oakland, CA
Pre-conference meeting day for methadone advocates, in 
advance of the First National Harm Reduction Conference.  
Sponsored by the National Alliance of Methadone Advocates 
(NAMA) and Methadone - A Legitimate Treatment Alternative 
(MALTA).  For information, contact Joycelyn Woods at (212) 
595-NAMA, nama@interport.net, or Diane Fleury-Seaman at 
(916) 742-0637, malta4u@jps.net.

September 18-21, Oakland, CA
*****The First National Harm Reduction Conference*****  
Sponsored by the Harm Reduction Coalition, 3223 Lake Shore 
Ave., Oakland, CA 94610, (510) 444-6969 x16 (voice), (510) 
444-6977 (fax), e-mail: harmredx@well.com.  Admission $200 
or $180 for members, if registering before August 15.  Will 
includes sessions on harm reduction practice, expanding drug 
treatment options, putting harm reduction programs in place, 
needle exchange, harm reduction as violence prevention and 
intervention, community organizing, networking, harm 
reduction policy, organizing user groups, occupational 
health, art and culture, HIV/AIDS, sexual health, research, 
mental health, recovery, spirituality and population-
specific harm reduction.

September 19, 7:00pm, Tucson, AZ
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  
Arizona FAMM meets the 3rd Thursday of each month.  For 
info, contact Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or Marilyn 
Krausch at (602) 887-0907.

September 19-20, Washington, DC
National Conference on Drug Abuse Prevention Research, at 
the Marriot Hotel at Metro Center.  For information, 
contact: Capitol Consulting Corporation, 11900 Parklawn Dr., 
Suite 350, Rockville, MD 20852, (301) 468-6001 (voice), 
(301) 468-0338 (fax).

September 21, noon-5:00pm, Boston, MA
7th Annual Freedom Rally, sponsored by the Massachusetts 
Cannabis Reform Coalition, (617) 944-CANN, featuring Richard 
Stratton, Prison Life magazine, Mel King, former Boston City 
Councilor, Steve Hager, High Times  magazine, John Sinclair, 
David Lenson, U-Mass Amherst, Richard Evans, NORML, and Al 
Giordano, The Boston Phoenix, and music by Letters to Cleo, 
Bim Skala Bim and others.

September 21, Burnsville, MN
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
information, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or Judy 
Smith at (612) 895-4048.

September 25, 4:00pm, New York, NY
Medical maintenance: A doctor's experience with methadone 
prescription.  Edwin Salsitz, MD, of Beth Israel Medical 
Center, one of the few doctors in general medical practice 
in the US who has experience with methadone maintenance in a 
general practice setting, will discuss the prescription of 
methadone for addiction treatment in a private practice 
setting. At The Lindesmith Center, 888 7th Ave., 27th floor, 
New York, NY.  Call (212) 887-0695 to reserve a place.

September 28, Austin, TX
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
information, call Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or Pamela 
McCue at (512) 452-1303.

September 28-29, noon-6:00pm, San Francisco, CA
The Great San Francisco Marijuana Medicine Show and Harvest 
Festival, fundraiser for the 1996 California Medical 
Marijuana Initiative, at Golden Gate Park, Hall of Flowers, 
9th & Lincoln Ave.  Music Exhibits, Speakers, Workshops, 
Drug War Museum; Saturday evening concert with ZERO (7-
11pm); Sunday afternoon Hemp Fashion Show + Rave (3-6pm).  
Admission $8/day, seniors & disabled half price; concert $10 
separate admission; $15 combo package.  Reservations 
available from California NORML, 2215 Market St. #278, San 
Francisco, CA 94114 (make check payable to NORML).  For 
vendor information, contact Tom Flowers, (510) 652-1426.

September 30, Cedar Rapids, IA
Families Against Mandatory Minimums chapter meeting.  For 
info, contact Andrea Strong at (606) 746-FAMM or Peggy 
Demkier at (319) 362-5868.  Iowa FAMM meets the last Monday 
of each quarter.

October 1, 8, 15, 7:30pm-9:30 pm, Oakland, CA
Media Strategies that Really Work for Community Groups.  
Media Skills Class for activists, with Rachel Richman, 
Senior Legislative Assistant and Press Secretary to 
California Assemblyman Tom Bates.  For registration and fee 
info, contact Joan Adams, (510) 653-7681.

October 3, 4:00pm, New York, NY
How are therapeutic communities changing with changing 
times?  Dr. Jerome Carroll, Chief Clinical Officer at 
Project Return, will talk about the role of the therapeutic 
community (TC) given changing client needs and the political 
and fiscal climate.  Joined by a panel of Project Return 
former clients, Dr. Carroll will focus discussion on where 
common ground might be found between harm reduction and TCs.  
Project Return is on of the four largest therapeutic 
community programs in the country. At The Lindesmith Center, 
888 7th Ave., 27th floor, New York, NY.  Call (212) 887-0695 
to reserve a place.

October 5, Amherst, MA
Campaign for Restorative Justice, exploratory meeting.  Site 
and time to be announced.  For information, contact John 
Wilmerding at (802) 254-5911, jwlmrdng@doc.state.vt.us.

October 9, 4:00pm, New York, NY
Acupuncture treatment modality: Working with 
prenatal/postpartum cocaine using women.  Nancy Smalls, 
Coordinator of Maternal Substance abuse Services at Lincoln 
Hospital, and Mindy Fullilove, MD, Associate Professor of 
Clinical Psychiatry and Public Health, Columbia University, 
will lead a panel discussion with cocaine using patients.  
The panel will focus on acupuncture treatment, its effects, 
and its usefulness in treating symptoms of trauma and post 
traumatic stress disorder in cocaine using women, and will 
present the "Lincoln Model" which highlights harm reduction 
and a tolerant approach to the recovery process.  At The 
Lindesmith Center, 888 7th Ave., 27th floor, New York, NY.  
Call (212) 887-0695 to reserve a place.

October 9, 16, 23, 7:00 pm-9:00 pm, Albany, CA
Media Strategies that Really Work for Community Groups.  
Media Skills Class for activists, with Rachel Richman, 
Senior Legislative Assistant and Press Secretary to 
California Assemblyman Tom Bates.  For registration and fee 
info, call (510) 559-6580.

October 17, 4:00pm, New York, NY
Methadone advocacy comes of age: Bringing patients and 
providers together.  A panel discussion between  the most 
prominent national methadone patient and methadone provider 
advocacy groups, including Joycelyn Woods, Stan Novick and 
Hector Maldonado of the National Alliance of Methadone 
Advocates (NAMA) and Mark Parrino, President of the American 
Methadone Treatment Association (AMTA). At The Lindesmith 
Center, 888 7th Ave., 27th floor, New York, NY.  Call (212) 
887-0695 to reserve a place.

October 18, Houston, TX
Should Drugs Be Legalized?  Featuring Judge James P. Gray of 
the Orange Country Superior Court in California.  Sponsored 
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if Im there,
Ill have a babyblus Massive Magazine Tshirt on, with pink logo, short hair.
Diana


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Hey everyone. 
I was just wondering if anyone who lives in Louisville or will be driving
thru L-ville would be willing to pick someone up.  Last minute things came up
and if transportation can be worked out so that he can get a ride that would
be MUCH 'ppreciated.  Please get back to me on this ASAP please!!  I'm
leaving on the 8th which is this Thursday and would like this to be taken
care of before then.  Thanks again!  take care and hopefully I'll hear from
some of you soon?!
peace out wif wuvs and hugs
Allyson

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Thanx to all that have taken interest in this vital topic.  Vital in the
sense that it, it a way, can dictate whether or not you will enjoy any given
event, both inside and outside the rave scene.  Osiris, Ally, Josh, and
others who have contributed to the thread have given valuable info on just
what the hell we all call "vibe" and how it works for them.  I will bring up
a topic that I have talked about before and is the next step in the process.
So, you know how good-bad vibes work for you and somewhat on how you can
live with them.  Picture this: Youve just spent $20 on a party, you walk in
and are accosted by mean security.  bad start, then, you dont like the
particular dj on and say to yourself "this sucks!"  in that moment, you have
not only opened yourself to the "bad vibes" that we encounter no matter
where we go, but now you are another source for them as well.  Those folks
that are sending you these bad vibes may not be doing it consciously, but
their attitude exudes it.  So, what do you do?  Is the party a lost cause?
Are you to give up and leave?  Are you to perpetuate the "this scene sucks
now, not like the old days..."  Bullshit?  You can, and the chain reation of
bad vibes widens.  Chain reation.  Yes, thats exactly what it is.  But alas,
just as you can start or perpetuate a chain reaction of negative feelings,
you can do the same on the positive note.  Yin-yang, light-dark, there is
always one where there is another, you just have to find it.  Too many of us
look for it in a party, or a dj, or someone else.  But it is whithin
ourselves and no where else.  Once you realize that, you came resonate with
it and spread your good energy around.  Chain reaction.  Dont wait for
someone else to give you a smile.  be the first!  Instigate good vibes.
YOU!  YOU CAN MAKE THE DIFFERANCE!  chain reaction remember?  Give out the
goodness whithin you and brighten someones day.  They will resonate
themselves and perhps brighten someone elses day.  See, easy.  It all starts
whith a smile.  Sorry if this is hard to follow, but it is coming straight
from my heart and its hard to put in words.  I can only hope to make you
understand.  Just smile.  Be the first, I guarantee you will make a
differance.<------HION



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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dennis Barton wrote:

> Hey all. 
> 
> Just wanted to say hi.. I just joined the list cos we are headed out that
> way in a few weeks. It's always cool to learn a few people's names before
> getting to a new place. Hope to meet soem of you at Rave Em and Bail-e.
> 
> peace
> 
>   |_e_/    Dennis Barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com>
>     )      Skylab2000 : Paperboy2000 : Mushroom Nation
>    \/\     Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
>      /     http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/brainforest
>    
> 
hey.. dunno what you have heard, but
we all tend to be on the friendly side

;)

jaguar......

......that frisky cat

> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug  6 15:22:57 1996
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Yes, I think Shawn (Dj Misfit) spun an excellent drum and bass set :)  It 
was really refreshing after like 4 hours of house.  I can't believe Jam 
Master J or whatever his name is, was scheduled in Detroit at the same 
time!  arrgh, my pal jendobis and I stuck around till 7:30am for him, and 
all I can remember was acid, acid and more acid.  *sigh*  Well, this was 
my last mid-west rave for a bit (I'm moving to London, Ontario this 
week), and I wished it went a little better.  See you all in the North.

Cynthia (*twinstar*)


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Eric <escuccim@cs.oberlin.edu> said:

:BTW - we got searched at the detroit-windsor border (didn't have anything
:of course), when we pulled in the search area it was full of rave kids. i
:think they were pulling over everyone going there because they asked me
:where i was going and wanted to know exactly.

Hmm. Yeah, we got searched too, and we're all old
MF's :).  We told them that we were going to the
Windsor casino (anecdotal evidence suggesting that
you're less likely to be searched if you say you're going
to the casin0)...  We didn't have anything untoward
in the car, mind, we were just hoping to avoid the
rigamarole [I had no desire to deal with
rubber gloves]. Anyway, the customs guy seemed
really sheepish, like he was embarassed that he
had to search the car, and we were on our way
again in about 5 minutes. [Curiously enough,
everyone who was being searched looked
"ravey", that is except for us and the Mennonite
(I think) family in the van next to us.  I wonder
what "profile" they fit...]

Diana said:

: THE BODYGUARDS. why the FUCK to do you need bodyguards, sorry, I only got
: emotional b/c he almost took my camera away when I was tring to take
pictures
: of Mills, its like yeah, you got enough lights going in here, aI can
: defiately see that flash photography would bea  bother.

Mills used to have bodyguards even back in the Wizard days --
back in the city when it was a precaution the higher-paid
DJ's took to make sure they wouldn't get ganked when leaving
the party with their cash.  I agree it isn't necessary now, though.

trivia: Mad Mike was a bodyguard for Mills back in the mid-80's.

  -d.w.
  still itchy from the skeeters






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>Thanx to all that have taken interest in this vital topic.  Vital in the
>sense that it, it a way, can dictate whether or not you will enjoy any given
>event, both inside and outside the rave scene.  Osiris, Ally, Josh, and
>others who have contributed to the thread have given valuable info on just
>what the hell we all call "vibe" and how it works for them.  I will bring up
>a topic that I have talked about before and is the next step in the process.
>So, you know how good-bad vibes work for you and somewhat on how you can
>live with them.  Picture this: Youve just spent $20 on a party, you walk in
>and are accosted by mean security.  bad start, then, you dont like the
>particular dj on and say to yourself "this sucks!"  in that moment, you have
>not only opened yourself to the "bad vibes" that we encounter no matter
>where we go, but now you are another source for them as well.  Those folks
>that are sending you these bad vibes may not be doing it consciously, but
>their attitude exudes it.  So, what do you do?  Is the party a lost cause?
>Are you to give up and leave?  Are you to perpetuate the "this scene sucks
>now, not like the old days..."  Bullshit?  You can, and the chain reation of
>bad vibes widens.  Chain reation.  Yes, thats exactly what it is.  But alas,
>just as you can start or perpetuate a chain reaction of negative feelings,
>you can do the same on the positive note.  Yin-yang, light-dark, there is
>always one where there is another, you just have to find it.  Too many of us
>look for it in a party, or a dj, or someone else.  But it is whithin
>ourselves and no where else.  Once you realize that, you came resonate with
>it and spread your good energy around.  Chain reaction.  Dont wait for
>someone else to give you a smile.  be the first!  Instigate good vibes.
>YOU!  YOU CAN MAKE THE DIFFERANCE!  chain reaction remember?  Give out the
>goodness whithin you and brighten someones day.  They will resonate
>themselves and perhps brighten someone elses day.  See, easy.  It all starts
>whith a smile.  Sorry if this is hard to follow, but it is coming straight
>from my heart and its hard to put in words.  I can only hope to make you
>understand.  Just smile.  Be the first, I guarantee you will make a
>differance.<------HION

what mr. hion sayz here is very true.....everytime i have seen him he
alwayz has the biggest smile on his face and that in turn makes me smile
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ok here's a lil thingy that has been bothering me for years now.  ive even
asked ppl on vrave what they thought..."is it considered rude to pass out
stickers to fellow family at parties, they even promote safety consciousness
and a great vibe and respect." so i dont see what the big problem is.  ive
given them to ppl all over from mostly parties in madison.  and especially at
the UFO's.  and with mostly females, ive gotten them handed back to me or
given a bitch face and they dropped it.  i mean shit, im spendin time and
money makin these stickers and ppl just throw em down, at least pass em off
to someone else. oh well, let me know if i should stop distributing good vibe
stickies...thanx.&peace to all.. INK.
"design"   __ink.MadCityMob__94>?

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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 Ink95@aol.com wrote:

> ok here's a lil thingy that has been bothering me for years now.  ive even
> asked ppl on vrave what they thought..."is it considered rude to pass out
> stickers to fellow family at parties, they even promote safety consciousness
> and a great vibe and respect." so i dont see what the big problem is.  ive
> given them to ppl all over from mostly parties in madison.  and especially at
> the UFO's.  and with mostly females, ive gotten them handed back to me or
> given a bitch face and they dropped it.  i mean shit, im spendin time and
> money makin these stickers and ppl just throw em down, at least pass em off
> to someone else. oh well, let me know if i should stop distributing good vibe
> stickies...thanx.&peace to all.. INK.
> "design"   __ink.MadCityMob__94>?

WHAT?! Them's some evil females you're meetin. I too enjoy slapping 
stickers on people, but I've never gotten an evil glare or anything... 
geez. The worst that happened to me was some guy took my whole handful of 
dum-dums when I offered him one. 

jeff

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>It looks like Josh's original post has slpit two ways! I think he was
>actually talking about picking up emotional clues (not a good description,
>but it'll have to do) from people and empathy, not the vibe of a party.
>But no matter, the vibe of a party can be very intertwined with people's
>emotions and it's a fun subject too.

it shore is a fun subject!  and even if he was talking about people's emotions
in general, i wanted to go towards the party thing because that's why we're all
on this list, right?  that's the thing we all have in common, so why not
relate?  :)  besides, parties are what i think of when i think of vibe :P

>it's hard to do.  I work at it too and hope that I'm making a difference
>for at least a few people. but who knows... and some parties just cant be
>saved.

yeah, it sure is.  but sometimes if there's even a remote CHANCE of making a
difference, it's a good choice to just go to it!  :P  <if that made sense, it
sounded kinda dumb and mixed up to me, but hey, i wrote it!  :P>

>I've done the alone on the dancefloor thing too (at reFRESHed... coulda
>been a bomb club event! but nobody showed...) and sometimes it can be
>really satisfying.  And you'd be surprised at who's watching you dance! I
>mean, I dont consider myself a good dancer, but at phoenix these two girls
>came over and told me that the'd been watching me dance all night! and
>it's happened a few other times too.  It seems to come along with a good
>vibe- maybe i dance better when i'm happy but i never get people telling
>me how good i dance when im at a bad vibe party (of course maybe bad vibes
>make people not want to talk. seems logical)

and hey, what better way to practice your dancing by being almost forced to
concentrate on it when you're the only one out there.  i dunno, i felt the
pressures and stares when i was the only one out on the dancefloor before.  and
i guess that's entwined with the vibe people give off, right?  so maybe i CAN
feel the vibe of people :)  and that's cool that people complimented you on
your dancing!  i don't think i've ever gotten that before.  :)  but that's ok
:P  

>Sure, in amdison anything can happen! Madison's the secret land of good
>vibe fairies, i'm convinced.But minneapolis on the other hand...  I dont
>think anything can change a party in progress in minneapolis. it's an odd
>situation.

heheheheehe :)  what parties have you been to down here?  i love madison.  and
as for minneapolis, we'll have to see for Elektrik Disko <hey marc.. you still
wanna possibly go???  cuz i dont wanna drive up alone!  :D>

>Let me take this opportunity to say I'm really jealous of people that can
>go to madison parties all the time.  And also to ask if there are any good
>art schools I can transfer to in madison ;)

change your major.  :P  i think madison has a pretty good art department,
seriously... but i don't know and can't think of any art specific schools in
the area :(  sorry!  well, ta ta for now!

jon.

"i'm a lover, not a fighter."


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In a message dated 96-08-06 21:43:19 EDT, you write:

<<  ive
 given them to ppl all over from mostly parties in madison.  and especially
at
 the UFO's.  and with mostly females, ive gotten them handed back to me or
 given a bitch face and they dropped it.  i mean shit, im spendin time and
 money makin these stickers and ppl just throw em down, at least pass em off
 to someone else. oh well, let me know if i should stop distributing good
vibe
 stickies...thanx.&peace to all.. INK.
 "design"   __ink.MadCityMob__94>? >>

WHAT???!!!   I CANNOT EVEN believe that someone would do that!!  Obviously
these chicks you've had the unfortunate experience of encountering all
attended and obviously aced the class of "How to be prime steak hootchie
bitches " 101.  I'm even more surprised that this happens in Madison!  That
place seems to be some supernatural utopian region of insane good vibes.  In
any case, no, I don't think you should stop passing those stickers out.  Ppl
who go around and try to spread smiles and good vibes are are most definitely
needed at parties.  Maybe it's the WAY you pass them out?  Like do you go up
to them and just stick it on their chest or something??   =D Sorry, I don't
mean to be making a joke out of this b/c it IS very much a vibe killer when
something like that happens. But seriously I can't believe that anyone would
do that!  
Well try to keep it up and I'm sure sooner or later ppl will start to
appreciate your efforts.  But just for you and your past experiences I hope
that it's sooner rather than later!  In any case, take care.  laterz
peace out
Allyson

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In a message dated 96-08-06 17:38:53 EDT, you write:

<<  So, what do you do?  Is the party a lost cause?
 Are you to give up and leave?  Are you to perpetuate the "this scene sucks
 now, not like the old days..."  Bullshit?  You can, and the chain reation of
 bad vibes widens.  Chain reation.  Yes, thats exactly what it is.  But alas,
 just as you can start or perpetuate a chain reaction of negative feelings,
 you can do the same on the positive note.  Yin-yang, light-dark, there is
 always one where there is another, you just have to find it.  Too many of us
 look for it in a party, or a dj, or someone else.  But it is whithin
 ourselves and no where else.  Once you realize that, you came resonate with
 it and spread your good energy around. >>


"B-I-N-G-O and BINGO was his name oh!"   Right on Joe!   I don't think anyone
could have elaborated that point better than you did.  I tried but you all
know how I love to ramble on and on!!  :)  In any case I have a really good
feeling about the vibe that's gonna take place at IO3.  Yeah, it's gonna be a
hella huge event and all but still I think that this topic could not have
come at a better time.  IN preparation for IO3 physically and mentally, these
past couple posts have reminded me to get intuned with all that *vibe* jive.
 Well whatever..just wanted to tell ya that you were on the button with that.
 take care all!    I'm bouncin' out!
peace wif wuv
Allyson

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sure I'll be there!  see ya at 2!!!

love and harmony through togetherness:)
-jason

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BlItZ said:

>what mr. hion sayz here is very true.....everytime i have seen him he
>alwayz has the biggest smile on his face and that in turn makes me smile
>also....he has The FreeBass Collective Seal of Approval

HION says:
Thanx dude, I appreciate that.  Sending the vibrations of the true
underground;  The Freebass Collective.<-----HION


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>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>     
>        Published Wednesday, July 31, 1996, in the Miami Herald.
>     
> No time like past
>     
> (Trumpets please): NBC behind the times
>     
> ATLANTA -- And now for my impression of the Olympics on TV:
>     
> TRUMPETS: BOM! BOM! BOM-BOM BOM BOM BOM!
>     
> BOB COSTAS: Good evening, and as you can tell by the sound of the 
> Olympic Theme Song that we play almost as much as we show Kerri 
> Strug's historic vault, it's time for our broadcast of The Recently 
> Videotaped Olympic Games Featuring Americans. We're going to start by 
> taking you right to the track-and-field stadium, where the men's 
> 100-meter dash is about to get under way, despite the fact that it 
> actually happened four hours ago.
>     
> TRACK COMMENTATOR: Bob, this promises to be an exciting race, 
> featuring Americans.
>     
> COSTAS: And what are the obstacles that these Americans have overcome 
> to create a Human Interest Factor for our broadcast?
>     
> TRACK COMMENTATOR: Bob, from left to right, they have overcome 
> psoriasis, vertigo and a bad allergy to vinaigrette dressing.
>     
> COSTAS: We'll come back to the men's 100-meter final, but
> right now we're going to replay the video of Kerri Strug, an American, 
> overcoming her ankle injury to make her courageous vault.
>     
> (Kerri Strug vaults.)
>     
> COSTAS: What a human moment! Time for a commercial.
>     
> ANNOUNCER: We're IBM. We're a giant corporation with vast computer 
> expertise. That's why we're in charge of keeping track of all the 
> statistics for these, the Olympic Games of 1953. Thank you.
>     
> BOM! BOM! BOM-BOM BOM BOM BOM!
>     
> COSTAS: Now we're going to take you to women's beach volleyball, where 
> the sun is shining brightly despite the fact that it is now 10:37 p.m. 
> on the East Coast.
>     
> BEACH VOLLEYBALL COMMENTATOR: Thanks, Bob. This is Holly McPeak, an 
> American, and as you can see in this digitized, computer-enhanced, 
> ultra-slow-motion Beach Cam closeup shot, she has overcome cellulite.
>     
> COSTAS: I'll say. When is she going to serve?
>     
> BEACH VOLLEYBALL COMMENTATOR: She'll be serving in about 4 seconds, 
> Bob.
>     
> COSTAS: I'm sorry, but we don't have that kind of time, because we 
> need to show this Heartwarming Moment.
>     
> (Kerri Strug vaults.)
>     
> COSTAS: Now let's go out to the cycling competition, where I believe 
> we have a race involving an American.
>     
> CYCLING COMMENTATOR: That is correct, Bob. We have an American shown 
> here pedaling furiously in 637th place, with a solid chance to move up 
> to 636th.
>     
> COSTAS: What obstacle has this American overcome?
>     
> CYCLING COMMENTATOR: Bob, he is overcoming one hellacious case of 
> hemorrhoids.
>     
> COSTAS: We'll have more on that exciting cycling race, but right now 
> we're going to return to the Olympic track stadium for an update on 
> the men's 100-meter dash.
>     
> TRACK COMMENTATOR: Bob, the race started about two seconds ago and 
> should be over in about eight more seconds. None of the Americans has 
> fallen down.
>     
> COSTAS: We're going to break away from the men's 100-meter dash at 
> this point, but we will be covering it throughout the course of the 
> evening. Right now, however, we want you to see this moment, captured 
> by our NBC cameras.
>     
> (Kerri Strug vaults.)
>     
> COSTAS: Now let's head out to the pool to check on the progress of the 
> American swimmers, all of whom have overcome asthma.
>     
> SWIMMING COMMENTATOR: Bob, here we see an American swimmer winning a 
> race. This happened earlier.
>     
> COSTAS: How much earlier?
>     
> SWIMMING COMMENTATOR: Twenty-four years, Bob. This is Mark Spitz.
>     
> COSTAS: Time for this commercial.
>     
> ANNOUNCER: We're the Nike Corporation. We pay famous athletes millions 
> of dollars to wear our shoes. Because of this, you, the public, pay 
> absurdly high prices for these shoes. Is that stupid, or what? Thank 
> you.
>     
> BOM! BOM! BOM-BOM BOM BOM BOM!
>     
> (Kerri Strug vaults.)
>     
> COSTAS: OK, right now there are exciting gold-medal competitions going 
> on in archery, shooting, rowing, kayaking, table tennis, softball, 
> volleyball, team handball and judo, so right now we're going to take 
> you to beach volleyball.
>     
> BEACH VOLLEYBALL COMMENTATOR: Bob, as you can see, American Holly 
> McPeak is bending over.
>     
> COSTAS: I'll say.
>     
> BOM! BOM! BOM-BOM BOM BOM BOM!
>     
> (Kerri Strug vaults.)
>
>
>

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug  6 21:40:15 1996
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I've been doing a lot of thinking lately.  Well, at least more than
usual.  I've come to the conclusion that I should unsub from the list
for a fair amount of time.  

I've been on mw-raves since, well, since Andrew was running it out of an
e-mailbox in his personal account.  After the initial wowsies, I had 
always expected some amazing stuff to become of the midwest scene
in general, and of the mw-raves list, specifically.  This hasn't seemed
to happen.  Much wonderful ideas have been presented, debated, argued
(sometimes to a fault ;-) but not much has happened, really.  One of the 
things that HAS happened since I've been on this mailing list is me
becoming a dj, which would never have happened, or at least not when it 
did.  That happened because of a very close friend who I met through
the list.  One other thing that has happened is the development of 
a very closeknit scene in a city relatively far away.  Since my budget
is limited, I've only been able to attend a bare minimum of parties
there, but at least I got to spin at one of them.

Beyond those things, I have met some wonderful people, and from those
meetings have made life-long lasting friendships.  But as far as the
scene goes...  well, if you took the time to read my last diatribe
you'll know how I feel about the scene.  The potential I saw when I first
got clued in is being wasted.  Parties come and parties go.  People,
hopefully, eventually find what they are looking for, but this elusive
thing seems to be a/the way to have the best time possible with or w/o
drugs.  But this never seems to be stretched to its inevitable outcome.
People talk about taking plur into the rest of the world, but do they?
Maybe, but is it engaged to the point where it simply doesn't come off as
some sort of hippy trip?

Well, maybe some have found a way to do this, but the effort seems to be 
wasted on the rest of the people at the parties.  I know that one gets
from a party what one puts into it.  But to what ends?  Is it all
simply about hedonism?  I think it might be.  It isn't for me, but it
seems to be the thing for almost everyone at the parties.

Will I stop going to parties?  No, I usually have a great time, but
my expectations are low, almost non-existent, for anything else to
happen.  I love the music...   there's, well, there's nothing else
like it in the universe for me.  The music has taken me places no
drug or religion or philosophy will ever be able to take me.  But the
feelings I have experienced at parties in the last year or so have actually
ruined the effect the music can have on me.  And that makes me very sad.

Y'all have my e-mail address so you can write to me, if you want.  I'll
continue to forward items to the list that I think people would enjoy
or get something out of.  But being sub'ed to the list just isn't doing
anything for me anymore.  This has absolutely *nothing* to do with any
specific thread going on right now or in the past.  On the contrary.
This has to do with the *lack* of specific threads on the list, and, more
importantly, the lack of activity spawned from threads I tried desperately
to start over the last two years or so.

I'll more then likely poke my head in here at some point before the end
of the year and I'm still working on making the calendar automated (no
timeframe as of yet).  I don't know for certain if I'll be at IO3 due
to money constraints from buying gear so I can start making my own music,
again.

I hope everyone has a great summer and if I make it to IO3 search
me out and say hi.


Cheers,

- stevenJ

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>ok for all  thats attendn 'Love Revolution'
>i remember talked to some of you about this.
>so here it is:
>
>2.00am at the mix tapes table, if there is not mix tape table
>then at the place where they are selling the bottled H2O. 
>superkewl  8D
>
>i'll be wearing a bright green freshjive shirt and backback
>and mi hermano will have a silver/shiny shirt.
>
>so if ya want, write back so we can recognize you (:-|)
>
>this party will be very special because of d. carter and l.l.vega
>so hope to see lots of ya there.

ill be there...at the party and the  net meet...but i dunno what im wearing
yet...still may shop more before then...but when i figure it out ill letcha
all know...

see ya there...

*hugs*

JOSH!

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>I think that would be rather interesting, to hear different ppl's experiences
>I suppose.  If anything it'll give us an eye into how one think, reacts and
>justifies their actions in certain situations.  Just don't want it to end up
>being sessions of "Fuck this scene and fuck that scene cuz their vibe sucks"
>kind of thing.

ill be sure to keep myself from doing that...i really frown on that sorta
thang as well...
   
>I have some pretty crazy experiences to tell but since it was your idea,
>Josh's I think you should start it off...er...something.

okay...if yall want me to sstart *blush*...i willl...but not right now...its
late...and i hafta work in the morning...ill post when i get back from work
tomorrow...

>Well that's my
>input into that whole topic.  Anyone else?  
>take care 
>Allyson

*hugs*

JOSH!

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>ok here's a lil thingy that has been bothering me for years now.  ive even
>asked ppl on vrave what they thought..."is it considered rude to pass out
>stickers to fellow family at parties, they even promote safety consciousness
>and a great vibe and respect." so i dont see what the big problem is.  ive
>given them to ppl all over from mostly parties in madison.  and especially at
>the UFO's.  and with mostly females, ive gotten them handed back to me or
>given a bitch face and they dropped it.  i mean shit, im spendin time and
>money makin these stickers and ppl just throw em down, at least pass em off
>to someone else. oh well, let me know if i should stop distributing good vibe
>stickies...thanx.&peace to all.. INK.
>"design"   __ink.MadCityMob__94>?

*NEVER* stop handing out stickers...i know ppl who have stickkers i made em
from 2 years ago...so...SOME ppl actually do enjoy em...so keep makin em...i
know i will...

*hugs*

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hello everyone, 
im new to the list and also vrave (i go by elesdeeman on vrave) and 
everyone seems to kinda know everyone so i thought i would take a little 
time to tell everyone about myself and i have a little bit to ask/say 
about madison parties.

Anyway despite what my e-mail address says my name is not monica, it's 
scott, i am not of the female gender....i'm a dude...just thought i would 
make that clear, way to many people get that confused.  I am 18 years of 
age (19 in a couple months) and live in madison. my first party was just 
over a year ago it was close encounters (for those of you who were there, 
my girl at the time was the one who freaked out really super bad and i 
apoligize if it ruined anyones night) at that time i had no idea what the 
scene was really about i just thought it was a big party where everyone 
got fucked up, but i soon realized with the help of douglas rushkoff's 
book CYBERIA what the deal really was (i highly recommend reading that 
book if you get the chance) and my life was changed forever.  
  I have noticed a lot of people bitching about drugs the last couple 
days, well i do a lot of acid (haven't tried E yet) and i dont get fucked 
up at every party i go to, in fact i am sober more often than not. but 
when i do drugs at parties i know my limits, i dont go overboard...i save 
that for at home where its not going to ruin anyones time or embarrass 
myself and i think thats what people should do, drugs can really enhance 
a party but do it in moderation i can pretty much assure anyone that they 
will have a much better time that way. 
  A lot of people who meet me look at me and say "you dont look like a 
raver" no i dont "look" like a raver and i dont feel the need to i really 
dont get into fashion that much simply because i dont have the money to 
spend on all kinds of neat clothes, i have a hard enough time coming up 
with enough money to go to parties (thank god for the plasma center!) A 
lot of people get so carried away with fashion that they forget that no 
matter how you look we are all family and as long as you can contribute 
to the vibe and dance and have a good time you dont need to have special 
clothes on.  I'm not dissing fashion or anything, i'm just saying it 
doesnt make someone a raver just because they dress a certain way.

one more thing...
 I was wondering what everyone thinks of madison parties, is it just me 
or does everyone pretty much agree that madison has a very strong, 
consistant, positive vibe? and there are plenty of $10 & under parties 
sure every once in a while someone will throw a really big party and 
charge more but its usually worth the money (i was pretty dissapointed 
with vanishing point being $20 at least i got some free records) I used 
to love flipside, they very rarely charged more than $10 and there 
parties were always great and good lighting and sound too, anyone know 
why they stopped throwing parties?
 Is anyone going to rave-um and bail-e 2? i will defiantely be there this 
is definately something you dont want to miss 3 days for $25!!! cant beat 
that.
anyway, now you guys know me and i hope maybe i can meet some of you on 
vrave or at an actual rave someday
peace&love
elesdeeman




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What up all....

This Saturday August 10, 1996.
In East Lansing, MI
At 505 MAC (Back door Only)

Z I O N

A  H A R D  B L A C K  E V E N I N G

DJ's 

Abstrak- Lansing "unmentionable label"
Lowsh- Sagnasty/Paris/Berlin
E309- Lansing

Tix:
At Flat Black and Circular for five bones pre-sale
At the door seven bones.
We also will take your first born if you got no cash, and really really want
in. :)=

MORE INFO AT : HTTP://www.beatbox.com/Zion
Check out : http://www.beatbox.com/    
Cause it's KEWL>

C U  there,
Soiux


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Hello everyone.
I realize that this may be rather early to ask of you who are attending IO3
but since I am leaving to go on a trip on Thursday and won't be back until
the day OF the event I was just wondering if we could start the wheels
rolling about a netmeet.  Or if anyone wants to take on a belated project for
name tags or anything?  I wish I had thought about this earlier cuz I really
really want to meet everyone but I don't know how I would do that since I
won't have access to a computer. 
BUt other than that we can at least start to THINK about a netmeet and stuff
can''t we?  And if I can think of anything I can do to pull the name tag
thing together then I will let the rest of you know as well for instructions
or anything.  Well first I should prolly ask....do you guys even want name
tags???  If then answer is generally no then I'll save myself the trouble.  I
just want to make sure that there is an open vibe at IO3 and if these name
tags will help then I"ll try to think of something.  If anyone has any ideas
to add or whatever I can help on then let me know.  I'm more than willing
'kay?  in any case, any comments about these questions would be appreciated.
 thanks again.  take care y'all!  laterz
peace out
Allyson

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ZEITGEIST      FRIDAY AUG 9 1996
--------------------------------
--------------------------------
cost:FREE!!!!!!!
---------------------------------
sound by Diversified Audio Group
visuals by OVT
---------------------------------
ELLERY COLES.djax-hybred/12-1am
PSHYCO BITCH.chgo techno veteran/1-2am
GENE FARIS.force-mpls/2-3am
TOMMY M.chicago/3-4am
FELIX DA HOUSE CAT.clashback/4-5am
MIKE DEARDORN.majestic/5-6am
ASTROBOY.st.louis space cowboy/6-7am
DANNY THE WILD CHILD.drum n'bass oldskool fool/7-8am
MYSTIC BILL.(at every chicago party..yawnn)/8-9
HALO('nother borring chiago local)/9-10
---------------------------------------
312.409.PURE
____________________________________________________________

HERES A bit of info some might be intrested in. it looks pretty cool, but
mainly b/c its free and theres gons be visuals by OVT. i typed the info
pretty much staight fromthe flyer minus alot of typicla bs and a bit of
personal chip on my should er 'bout chicago.

at anyrate im prob. gona be goin to this (it free after all). so email me
if your gona be ther and maybe we could have a net meet or something.



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On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dennis Barton wrote:

> Hey all. 
> 
> Just wanted to say hi.. I just joined the list cos we are headed out that
> way in a few weeks. It's always cool to learn a few people's names before
> getting to a new place. Hope to meet soem of you at Rave Em and Bail-e.
> 
> peace
> 
>   |_e_/    Dennis Barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com>
      ^
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        ... hmm... as in a head of "E"?!  hmm.. yup,,... ain't a damn 
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   As for MW, is Winnipeg included in MW?  Well, any shakerz ne1 cares 2 
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> heheheheehe :)  what parties have you been to down here?  i love madison.  and
> as for minneapolis, we'll have to see for Elektrik Disko <hey marc.. you still
> wanna possibly go???  cuz i dont wanna drive up alone!  :D>

(blushing big-time)
...er, well..  (ahem, cough, cough) ...

NONE.

No, i've never been to parties outside of minneapolis (and one in seattle)
but i'm basing my statement on the observations of some of my closest
friends and also on what people on the list say.

Anyways, I dont know about elektrik disko.  It's going to be a great pary
and all, and I'm sure it'll be some of the best vibe minneapolis has had.
But rave 'em and bail-e II is the same weekend, and i'm pretty sure that
at $25 for four days, I'm getting more bang for my buck down in madison.
Then again, I promised jon i'd be a gorilla and hand out culture shock
flyers when i was a gorilla :-P  So maybe I will stay for elektrik
disko...  (but i really want to see Namoad again (i saw this guy in
seattle- he's cool!) Plus all those incredible live PAs and frankie bones
and hardware and casper and DRC and huggie and terry mullan, and, well.. i
dont think i need to add any more!

> change your major.  :P  i think madison has a pretty good art department,
> seriously... but i don't know and can't think of any art specific schools in
> the area :(  sorry!  well, ta ta for now!

well, i was sorta kidding anyways.  But i am seriously considering
transferring out of hamline because its just too expensive and the art
program is much too concentrated on the fine arts, while I want to go into
commercial art. Plus, there is no computer art... 

but that's something i have to take care of myself- i dont want to burden
the list with that!

chris e

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> "ravey", that is except for us and the Mennonite
> (I think) family in the van next to us.  I wonder
> what "profile" they fit...]

oh, you know those mennonites! always involved in some drug-smuggling
operation...

(sorry, that was COMPLETELY uncalled for. someone smack me.)

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ok so last night me, myself, i, and 8 doses found each other......thought
long.....deeeeeeeep........and haaarrrrddd about a lot of shit and this and
that..........came up with some answers, left some things unanswered

best party i been to in awhile!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Hi all!  I know this isn't really rave related other that the fact that some    
ravers skate and some skaters rave (ha ha).  Anyway, I've just meet some guys   
that put out skateboarder/snowboarder videos (and they got some cool video      
clips from me made by CTHUGHA) and they want to know if anyone knows where on   
the net there is a skateboarding group where they can post the info for their   
videos and such.                                                                

Any help would be greatly appreciated!                                          

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VJ ZMAN (Jim Zim) wrote:
> 
> Hi all!  I know this isn't really rave related other that the fact that some
> ravers skate and some skaters rave (ha ha).  Anyway, I've just meet some guys
> that put out skateboarder/snowboarder videos (and they got some cool video
> clips from me made by CTHUGHA) and they want to know if anyone knows where on
> the net there is a skateboarding group where they can post the info for their
> videos and such.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Peace!
> INTERNET:  USFMD3PV@IBMMAIL.COM

tod swanks' tum yeto digi-verse has a classified section, also has a 
skateboard.com section that will link you to alt.skate-board its all at 
http://www.tumyeto.com

theres a yellow-sno section for the knuckle-draggers too ;)

goodluk,
justin

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Hey, any minneapolis people want to avoid elektrik disko and go to raveem
and bail-e with me?  No offense to communique but i would personally
rather go to a camp-out event.   The thing is, i dont know if I'll be able
to find anyone that wants to go, especially since classes start soon after
that.  so here's my invitation to anyone in the minneapolis area to come
along with me to raveem and bail-e.  

there's one condition: if we have the first issue of Minneapolis Idea
Project ready by the 31st, I will be staying here to distribute it.

I'm trying to plan this now because whenenver I try to pull something off
with less time, it always goes wrong...

BTW, I'll be out of town starting tonight until late sunday. so  if anyone
tries to email me, you wont get a response until i'm back.

chris e

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug  7 12:14:23 1996
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Yesterday, Dr. Seth Shostak, who will be speaking at IO3, appeared on CNN.
If you haven't been paying attention, there is now confirmed evidence that
life once existed on Mars.  Besides looking for Intelligent life, SETI
also supports many researchers who are investigating Xenobiology in
general, not just intelligent life.  This monumental discovery is the
first conclusive proof of extraterristrial life.  

I don't want to start a rehash of the earlier SETI thread, so please,
let's not brign that up again.  I just thought that everyone should be
made aware of this exciting discovery.  I also thought everyone would like
to know that Dr. Shostak was one of the experts consulted by CNN.  This
discovery should add some amazing information to his talk on Sat at IO.
I'll let you guys know more later after I speak with him tonight.  

Tim
Your Interstellar Co-Coordinator

btw UFO parking spaces are $500 extra, but this does include unlimited
cow lips.  


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jeff/stuff sed:
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that ENIT show a day later with Carl Cox, LTJ Bukem, Tayla and MC Conrad takes 
place in Pittsburgh on 8/15.  

btw, i have no idea how good or bad Andrew Weatherall is, but the fact that he 
will be at the Pittsburgh show anyway just makes me want to skip the Cleveland 
show even more...not to mention that Pittsburgh's locals have *talent*, which is
more than i could say for my hometown (with very few exceptions)...
=================================================================  

granted cleveland's talent may pale in comparison w/ cities such
as detroit and chicago, but pittsburgh? c'mon have some hometown
pride. c'mon we've got dan curtin, sleepy c, ian mariano, rob
sherwood, mike filly, rob black, gank, tik tak, seven-up, chris
pulse, release, totts, dreamer, scorpion, mike metz, kevin
bumpers, dj yush, super k, i think the only untalented dj i've    
seen here is that goofy assed dj stuff guy that spins michael
jackson songs during his set =)

==================================================================
anyhow, i saw a large ad in a local music mag here for ENIT which listed the
lineup...but this one had times of performances even, and guess what?  The 
Pharcyde was *not* listed....this is the biggest blow yet!
==================================================================

Pharcyde is still listed on the recently updated Spawntaneous info-line.
and Spawntaneous is in charge of the second stage. i've been trying
to get a hold of chris concerning this event mostly trying to book
joe 187 for the cleveland show since he wuz neglected in the pittsburgh
show (pretty pathetic mistake i think especially since joe has been in
the pitt scene since day one), but chris seems to be out of town...
baltimore i believe.

u better watch it jeff or u just might replace mr. bill cook as 
'slander king'. speakin o which, i pride myself in knowing just about
every raver old and new in the 216 and i've asked several of my friends
old and new and no one has even heard of 'bill cook'...strangely enuff.

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Davis J. Bassan B.S. wrote:

> Yesterday, Dr. Seth Shostak, who will be speaking at IO3, appeared on CNN.
> If you haven't been paying attention, there is now confirmed evidence that
> life once existed on Mars.  Besides looking for Intelligent life, SETI
> also supports many researchers who are investigating Xenobiology in
> general, not just intelligent life.  This monumental discovery is the
> first conclusive proof of extraterristrial life.  

Wow, while the findings from NASA and Stanford scientists are certainly
interesting, I would hardly say this is the "first conclusive proof of
extraterristrial life." The residues found within the meteorite could
have been caused by microbiological critters OR by processes during
star creation (according to other scientists).
Also, the twisting, hollow structures found within the rock could also
be explained by escaping gases or other physical effects. Today, I'm
hopeful, but skeptical. To say this is "confirmed evidence" is absolutly
incorrect since no one has confirmed the evidence found by these 
scientists. Sorry this isn't rave related, but I get all weird when
people jump to sweeping conclusions and claim 'proof' of something or
that we can say 'for certain' when all we have is very circumstantial
evidence.

That being said, wouldn't it be groovy if there really was 
an Alien Workshop?!  :D

Ed/Cuisinart

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Whether or not you believe the life on mars claims now being made by NASA
(and I do) You can't deny the impact that it's made on things. Just go to
www.dejanews.com and do a search for "life on mars" and see all the
newsgroups where this discussion is happening.  There's a lot of them...

chris
  
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Subject: anutha columbus partee - Aug 15th - JIMME'S BBQ - 0SK Production
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jonathan (dj sense) slipped me this @ BAP, ben's (dj mighty/atman)
& poppy's b-day party this past friday...



August 15th

Columbus, Ohio

0SK Production & H0WSE One

It's an outdoor party

It's a Jimme thang...

J I M M E ' S    B B Q

Bring food!

B' Boys welcome!

DJ's:

Trevor Lamont - Kentucky Pa Pa

Stan - West Coast represent

Gank - Spawntaneous Prod. Cleveland

Tik Tak - Spawntaneous Prod. Cleveland

Titonton - the Claude Young of Jungle, ele mentality, Columbus

Freeze - aka DJ Sammie from 720, ex-Sooper Wacker, Columbus 

Synapse - EPT, AAAA, Akron

Dom - High Vinyl, Columbus

Anthone - Columbus Organized Crime

Soulo - Columbus 

Sense - 0SK! Columbus


3 bones @ tha door

info: 614.224.8381


on now: Doughboy Drops Acid (thanx for the tape Doug, sorry i missed
the rest of yur set @ BAP)..."detroit...the House of God...detroit...
the House of God...detroit...the House of God"

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug  7 13:41:26 1996
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From: Ed Jones <ejones@sdl.psych.wright.edu>
To: Chris Ege <crege@piper.hamline.edu>
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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Chris Ege wrote:

> 
> Whether or not you believe the life on mars claims now being made by NASA
> (and I do) You can't deny the impact that it's made on things. Just go to
> www.dejanews.com and do a search for "life on mars" and see all the
> newsgroups where this discussion is happening.  There's a lot of them...

I certainly hope they are correct. And I am very glad for the furror it
has caused. Perhaps this will spawn more research into finding evidence
of ET life. Also, I hope it will encourage people into going to Mars much
earlier than it looked like we might. It's been my opinion that this
country NEEEEEDS a common focus, a common goal. A goal so far reaching
that it unites us all behind something. Hell, unites the world! Nothing
like this has really happened to most of us on this list, IMO. It 
happened to our parents with the moon programs. The whole fuckin country
was excited about this since no one else had done it. It was a race for
us. It was a common, uniting goal. From KKK members, to Black Panthers,
to Dead Heads, to the military. We were all proud! I, for one, certainly
hope something like this can happen in our lifetimes. And, if this new
evidence of life on mars gets our asses on mars sooner, well...
that would be SUPER! :D

Sorry, again, for the non-rave content. But, this forum is certainly
more open to discussions such as these than I'll ever get in this
damn company I work for. Thanks for listening.
Ed/Cuisinart

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Ed Jones wrote:
> happened to our parents with the moon programs. The whole fuckin country
> was excited about this since no one else had done it. It was a race for
> us. It was a common, uniting goal. From KKK members, to Black Panthers,
> to Dead Heads, to the military. We were all proud! I, for one, certainly

there were two moon races: one for the people who gave a damn about space 
exploration, and one for those who wated to "beat the commies (russia) to 
it!". IMO, the latter was the one which our country was "united" under...

and as far as dead heads being for it, all i can say is that when the 
moon landing was annouced, a vast amjority of the 
hippie/deadhead/whatever-tag-you-will-assign-to-the-youth-culture 
responded publicly with a big "WHO CARES?" due to the fact that 
government funding was being spent not to improve life back on earth but 
to leave the place altogether.

dylan
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blitz sed:
=================================================================== 
ok so last night me, myself, i, and 8 doses found each other......thought
long.....deeeeeeeep........and haaarrrrddd about a lot of shit and this and
that..........came up with some answers, left some things unanswered

best party i been to in awhile!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

===================================================================

funny i'm listening to doughboy's new tape and i read yur post.
there's some pretty interesting quotes from the tape concerning
LSD...

"how would u like to go on an LSD trip first, ok?...And let's make
this a do it yourself trip...We will even make our own LSD...to 
start with we'll need some Lycergic Acid...First we go to a rye
field and look for a deep purple smutty substance that forms on
diseased kernels of rye the Ergot Fungus...from this fungus we
obtain Lycergic Acid...then remembering how Dr. Albert Hoffman
first did it in 1938 in Switzerland, we mix our Lycergic Acid 
with another chemical freeze the entire mixture than distill out
LSD...The second chemical we added was Di-ethel-amide...So LSD is
really called Lycergic Acid Di-ethel-amide...but who cares about
that, let's get on with our trip...have you ever been on any kind 
of drug trip?...Well let me give you some idea of what to expect...
did you take a vacation trip last summer?...On a vacation trip you
usually go to different places and see different things right?...
And if you like where you go and what you see, you call it a good 
trip...But if you're camping and it rains and someone gets sick or
there's an accident, you might call that a bad trip...Now there's
some drugs that you can take that will cause your mind to take a
trip while your body stays at home and if you found this experience
pleasant you will call it a good drug trip...if you didn't like it 
you will call it a bum trip or a freak out...ok are you ready for a
trip?...how much LSD do you think it will take?...Actually it doesn't
take very much. If we were very careful in dividing it up, we can get
enough dosage out of one pound to take, get this, four and a half
million people on a trip...All right here we go, i'll be your trip
leader, you just do what i tell you...you have some LSD caked on the 
back of your right thumb, lick it off and close your eyes..."

"FUK the musik give me the acid?...FUK the acid give me the musik"
-some plastik dude

tee hee, sean rose, called me mike...why duz everyone try to be like mike?
-maxfli

i guess i'm still recovering from my sickness...

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Ed Jones wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Chris Ege wrote:
> 
> I certainly hope they are correct. And I am very glad for the furror it
> has caused. Perhaps this will spawn more research into finding evidence
> of ET life. Also, I hope it will encourage people into going to Mars much
> earlier than it looked like we might. It's been my opinion that this
> country NEEEEEDS a common focus, a common goal. A goal so far reaching
> that it unites us all behind something. Hell, unites the world! Nothing
> like this has really happened to most of us on this list, IMO. It 
> happened to our parents with the moon programs. The whole fuckin country
> was excited about this since no one else had done it. It was a race for
> us. It was a common, uniting goal. From KKK members, to Black Panthers,
> to Dead Heads, to the military. We were all proud! I, for one, certainly
> hope something like this can happen in our lifetimes. And, if this new
> evidence of life on mars gets our asses on mars sooner, well...
> that would be SUPER! :D


*opens self up for flames*
Personally, I would not be very happy about us landing on Mars and 
'studying' it.
Ever seen Independence Day?  Remeber this line about the aliens:
"They're like locusts, swarming in and dstroying everything in their path 
and using up the resources for their own purpose."???  
They were talking about the aliens, but I think it had a bit of a double 
meaning.  *goes outside and notices consdierable difference in weather 
patterns since 10 years ago.*


                
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Last night i had a really really wierd dream, and it was rave related so i
thought it might give ya a kick ;D

The abridged version(sorry there is some stuff that can't even be explained
in this dream, like most of mine)I dreamt that it was Sept. 7, and UFO 3 was
going on here in Madison, and of course i was super pumped up -  i get to
the first site - i just got there, there was no preliminary vision of who i
was with or how i got there, and as i walk in the door they are passing out
flyers for the next UFO, which is happening the NEXT Weekend!  And
everything at it was a live performance by all electronic all stars, i
tripped on that for awhile.   Then i go into the party and discover that me
and the dj are the only ones there.  It gets wierder -  after this dj is
done with his set, i am shuttled off to a brand new rave at a brand new
site, and the exact same thing occurs.  I get the flyer for the next UFO, go
in, the next dj on the flyer is spinning at this new site, and yep, me and
him are the only ones there.  This goes on for the whole night, like deja vu
except in a brand new site.   all the sites were in the boonies -  but it
was neat because we all know half the fun in going to a rave is the
anticipation and trying to find it!  Anybody out there dream interpreters?
This one was wild!

        And here's something to just make you laugh, yes i realize a lot of
it is in poor taste but get on down there in the dirt and revel in it!
This appeared in yesterday's The Onion, a local satirical paper that is
goddamn funny - make sure to pick one up if you ever visit madison -  that
article somebody forwarded about the african tribesman using an IBM to open
a nut that got posted a couple weeks ago, that was from the Onion.  but this
one is much better.  For more great stuff like this check out their web
site, www.theonion.com.


                                "Very Few People Like Me"
                                   Sheran My Thoughts by Freddy G. Sheran
(and there is a picture of this wacky white dude with a huge fro, damn he
looks scary1)

        Very few people like me because I'm loud, and when I speak I usually
demand something, only not in English, but rather by grunting.  Then i get
very angry when no one understands me, so I start to cry.  That way
sometimes waitresses will get close enough so that I can grab their breasts.
        People also hate it when I sing really loud in the park, due to the
fact that I sit next to them on a bench and press my lips to their ear-and
also because I sing by belching with my tongue stuck out and wiggling all
around.
        Those are very annoying habits, but they're only the tip of the
iceberg.  There are loads of other things I do that make people dislike me.
        If someone drops something, they hate the way I laugh at them so
loudly that I start to cough up bits of phlegm into their face, especially
when they are in places where they can't move away from you, like in a movie
theater or a hospital bed.
        Once in a while people will act as though they like me, but when
that happens I just try to have sex with them, whoever it is-the social
worker, the UPS man, my mom.
        It's not just what i do; very few people like how i look.  I'm so
greasy that people are uncomfortable being around me because they have to
make such an effort not to look at the rivers of pus and grease that streak
my forehead.
        They're always nervous that I'll catch them looking at my lopsided,
ugly, oily face, so they look down at the ground.  That's why I like to
urinate on public streets.
        Then there's that smell that instantly fills up any room i step
into.  I smell incredibly bad, like sort of a cross between tequila vomit
and the soup you make out of the brains of those men you dig up at the
vagrants' cemetary.
        And because of my stink, there's flies.  Not those big black flies
that you can catch and eat on the bus, but those little teeny swarms of
fruit flies that lay their eggs in the matted tufts of your hair.
        Would you like someone like me?  Of course not.  I am very
unlikeable.  You're right not to like me.
        I don't really wash myself, except for when i go to McDonald's, and
even then I only do it at a booth right up in the front with a 32-ounce cup
full of water and a whole big stack of napkins.
        If they ask me to leave I order something and then, so I can get my
money back, I plant a big fistful of hair in it that I yank out of some kid
that runs past.
        Sure, I know that very few people like me, but it's not all my
fault.  Someone else gave me that gash across my chest-the one that I pick
at constantly, getting blood all over myself, before I try to shake hands
with everyone.
        Then again, people might not want to touch me because I'm always
putting my hands down my pants and scratching myself.  They hate it when
afterwards I smell my fingers.  And they hate it worse when I make them
smell my fingers.


        +D   =D    xD    ;D    8D                               Peace, Marc


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Greetings!


  Saturday October 5th 1996 in Cincinnati, OH 

evolveNOW and antares of evolution opens a physical

		T. A. Z.  Temporary Autonomous Zone

for your experimentation		

The event is to be held in a secluded quarantined area, a private resort
It is an indoor/outdoor event,..the compound has a huge lake and enclosed
swimming pool. It is a clothing optional event to carry forth the GOA
tradition of TAZ

Lecture from the NSS National Space Society, to raise awareness about our
space program and the possibility of colonization in our life time. Also,
a local author will speak about the sepertine mound, and the earth's
electro-magnetic energies.

Line-up thus far:

Thomas Michael   Los Angeles
Ian Mariano      the Church, Cleve.
Perry Ellis	 calico
Subgenius	 calico

more to TBA soon

There will be a discount for net ravers.  The movement must be made soon
to create protected virtual TAZs for our global communtiy.  It will be
interesting to see who of us step up and complete the task.

namasta,

antares
evolveNOW & evolution


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alright, here is where i draw the line...

i do not like to name names, but since i've been put up to it...

first of all, scorpion now lives in nyc and has been commuting there for some
time....fuz and release refuse to have anything to do with this city anymore...
as for the rest, well, let's say thatour strength is not in numbers...

i refuse to pick out people and name drop to say who i like in particular, but i can say this:  there are less than five dj's in this city worth a damn
i respect their (and even the shitty dj's) efforts so i will not say who is 
who..nor was i even close to suggesting that i am the answer to the lack of talent in this city (btw, michael jackson is dope and you know it! :))...but there
just *is*.  most of the dj's here do not even have *simple beat matching skills* and *cannot make a smooth mix **consistently** throughout the set.*  this
is what i consider to be the first initial skill incvinvolved with being a
dj.  i mean, most of these guys have been spinning for years and can't even get that right!  do you think it is coincidence that most of them cannot get gigs
in other cities?  

as for pitsburgh, i saw more talented dj's at that free party Tribute than 
i have seen in this entire ccity....i would not complain so much if it weren't
such a big city....cleveland is a BIG city, i cannot understand why the "scene""is so lame here...that is why i am trying to *change* it.   

peace out...

--jeff/stuff (that guy)

ps. if any of you want to see my lame ass tonightm as well as Eric D (pittsburgh), call cedar's at 330.380.4140    no michael jackson tonight though, but i
promise some sort of vintage surprise as always ;)    

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I'll be there, wearin' a f*ckin' go nuts t-shirt and my pair o' dorky 
circle lenses (cant see tha end o' my nose w/out em, tho) black airwalks, 
blue jeans, etc. lollipops (or maybe those little wild cherry life 
savers, they rule) all around :)

plur
mike

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hmmmm....looks as tho this thread hsa gone off like i never expected...but
thats not a bad thang...thats actually the way it should be...so its all good...

gawd!...i totally fergot where thangs went from where i left off...spose it
doesnt matter, cuz theyve gone almost everywhere and back since it first
started...

whelps...before i get started...one kwestion...
        someone suggested a book for me to read...and an author...but i
deleted that message (unfortunatel), so could whoever that was please inform
me again?...id totally appreciate it...thanks...

gawd...i feel kinda guilty...opening up this can of worms and not even being
able to follow it...damn!...im sawrry...but with the increase of work chris
and i are doing for 'the minneapolis !dea project', my new job, parties, and
a series of truly phukked up events and circumstances lately, ive not been
able to tend to my mail like i wish...so i apologize...

anyhow...to keep myself from rambling ill just say a few things and
hopefully cut it short...here goes...

as far as the sticker guy who caught bad vibes fer it goes...dont stop
making and handing out stickers...ppl who hand out stickers rule...and when
they are made by that person its even better...i make my own too to hand
out...ppl go nuts over it...its the greatest feeling when you give a paerson
yer sticker and they go nuts for it...gives ya that warm fuzzy and kinda
tingly feeling...its awesome!...

um...as far as parties go...i never once have went to a party and gotten an
attitude andd given off bad vibes cuz the security was dicks or the DJ
spinning when i got there sukked...thats just as sad as bad vibes...actually
that *IS* bad vibes...nebermind :P...i dunno...unless a buncha shit keeps
happening over and over and over...im generally happy go lukky at parties no
matter what... but, also...theres only so much you can do and deal with...i
mean...if yer at a party where the only ppl who arent throwin off bad vibes
is you and yer circle of 5 or 6 frenz...then its pretty damn hard to not
become disillusioned with that particular party...i try and be as open to a
good time as i possibly can... and i do my damndest to bring about a great
party...but like i said...theres only so much you can do...

vibes in general...empatheticness (is that a word? :P) and such...you can
only do so much there as well...try yer best to keep yerself in a good mood
and radiating great vibes...but theres a point...like lately with this
grrlie i know...its a long and complicated story, so ill cut it short and
keep it as anonymous as possible...biut this grrlie i know...shes da
bomb...i mean...i am totally in love with her...and she *WAS* at one time
with me as well...but we never hooked up...but now she likes this other
boy...and i missed out...i didnt move fast enuff or somethang...i
dunno...anyhow...i still totally lover her and shtuff...but she gives off
all these bad vibes...im guessing (and pretty sure) that its cuz she used to
(perhapos still does) like me but also likes this other boy now...i
mean...if that was me, id be rather konfused...and in my experience...the
ppl with the worst vibes are the konfused ppl....the ppl who are konfused
and dont really realize it...so i totally get these phukked up vibes from
her...and i know wahts up with her soooooo much...and i can tell she knows
whats up with me (us?) as well...its really a vicious circle...and im sure
its a bit garbled to yall...but i cant lay out the whole story so she dont
get 'busted' or whatever...i dunno...i am ending up rambling anyhow...damn...

im sawrry yall...

perhaps someone should redirect this thread to focus it a bit more and maybe
i can go more directly as well...ik have a bda habit with rambling on and on
and on and on and on... ;)

*hugs*

JOSH!

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does anyone out there have any detailed info regarding 'love revolution'
this weekend in chitown?...im heading down there and dont have my pocket
full of info like i do for the parties here...so it feels awkward...i know
th dj lineup...but id be curious to know (if possible) about the space,
distance from downtown chitown, price of tickets, reliability of promoters,
so on and so forth...any thing at all is good...thanks a bazillion...

*hugs*

JOSH!

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Well, since this "Life on Mars" stuff made it to mw-raves rather quickly,
there must be some interest, so...
Here's the URL for this life on Mars stuff if anyone is interested:
       http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/NewsRoom/today.html

Interesting.  I would like to toss my two tweaked cents in on this matter.

First off, keep in mind that this is *NASA*, folks.  This is the puppet
public space program, just like our government is a puppet government.
NASA ain't the top of the space-exploration ladder and they *certainly* are
not up-front with their discoveries, it's just a front for the public eyes.
(There is at least one other space program (tied in with the National
Security Agency I think) which is not public and is a helluva lot more
elaborate.)  So I would take anything NASA "officially" says with a grain
of salt.  Personally, I think this announcement about single-celled life on
Mars is simply their way of opening the door for something larger, it's a
good first step to get people to be able to swallow the fact that the
government knows about and has had contact with "larger scale" ETs for a
long time, seeing as the information about this contact is leaking out more
and more and they have little choice at this point but to go along with it
and try to lessen the impact on the public.

As anyone who follows in great detail what NASA is up to can tell you,
there have often been TONS of contradictions and discrepancies in NASA's
reports; all you have to do is open your eyes, ask questions, and/or do
some research.  Very very fishy stuff, and their attempts to mislead,
misinform, and run people in circles have been very blatant at times.
Isn't that wonderful?  Very amusing, too, to see the sort of childishness
and information manipulation that goes on with a subject so sirius by such
"important" people.  (What's even more amusing is how quickly masses of
people eat this shit up, but hey, welcome to America.)

If you want proof of life on Mars, check out the precise geometric pyramids
there on the surface.  Pyramids, as in Egypt, Atlantis, and portals.
PYRAMIDS.  Both the US and the Soviets have pictures.  Clear, obvious
pictures.  I guarantee these were not constructed by single-celled
organisms.  ;)  And while you're at it, you might want to check out a
spectrogram anaylsis of the Martian moons -- they're hollow and made of
metal and many scientists have stated that their orbits are far too
irregular and have speeds too abnormal to possibly be natural moons and are
actually artificial.  A Soviet space probe attempting to photograph these
moons in 1989 suddenly disappeared after its last photos revealed a
*missile-like object* heading at it from the direction of Phobos II.
Straight road-like impressions were photographed on Mars too straight to be
natural formations.

As for SETI and other public-eye idiocy, the men who invented radio, Tesla
and Marconi, both reported receiving intelligent radio signals from space.
That was a damn long time ago.  The fact that SETI has not yet come up with
anything in 1996 shows either a) their incompetence, b) they're not being
honest to the public (what, a governmental agency not being honest to the
public? never happens!), c) extraterrestrials don't want anything to do
with such bullshit and make sure they're not in contact with SETI, or d)
all of the above.  [I vote for "d", and especially "b".]

Meanwhile, I don't own a television thought/frequency-control device, so I
didn't see this, but I heard one of NASA's astronauts was on some show the
other night talking about his UFO experiences while working for NASA.
Astronauts and military personnel have shitloads of contact experience, but
are usually threatened with court marshalling or even *death* by people who
really don't want that information out.  WHY WOULD THEY BE THREATENED WITH
DEATH FOR SHARING WHAT THEY'VE SEEN????  AND ISN'T IT WONDERFUL THAT OUR
GOVERNMENT THREATENS PEOPLE WITH DEATH??!!  The question isn't, "Is NASA
hiding something?"  It's, "What is NASA hiding?"  Official NASA Apollo 12
photograph AS12-497319 clearly shows a large UFO hovering over an astronaut
walking on the Moon; non-official people have seen this photograph.  The
government agency's policies of keeping UFOs secret from the general public
is *well-known* and has been well-documented in several books by people
who've worked in this area.  There's something really fishy going on here,
'cuz NASA has known about ET life for a long time, at least as far back as
their first public trip to the moon.  And our government has had knowledge
since at least 20-30 years before that.

Ah yes, the game goes on...

       Peace,

       Randy
        a d
         n    <--- gets a great laugh out of NASA, SETI, and
        a d        all this government bullshit, and can't
       Randy       believe "open-minded" people follow it so blindly

Rainbow Freq!
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug  7 18:30:46 1996
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well, i was planning on going.. whether
that will actually happen or no, i have
no way of knowing.. i'll let everybody
else on here know... i'm sure that you 
an di know ppl in common, so you might 
find out before IO3... laters......

jaguar......

......that frisky cay



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My take on the whole alien thing:

        There probly are aliens.  I won't totally believe in them until they
land in my backyard and start booming Hardfloor's "Acperience" out of their
40 jigawatt, gigobass Planet Rock  sound system.  But the sheer immensity of
our universe makes it somewhat naive to take the stand that we are the only
planet that evolved life.  Recently, new crop circles appeared in England,
and they had the appearance of fractals - i'm sorry that's totally off the
subject - but it's either an unexplained phenomenon or people who have WAY
too much time on their hands.

        Randy, Interesting post -  but i'd like to know what books you've
read, and maybe see these photographs of the pyramids on Mars and the UFO
behind Neil Armstrong.  I mean this shit is way interesting, i'd just like
to know where you got this information.  There's this interesting newspaper
that is fucking hilarious that you can pick up at Supermarkets - It's called
Weekly World News, you know the one i'm talking about, with headlines like
"Backdoor to Hell discovered in Sahara Desert."
You can believe in that too i suppose.  I'm not trying to belittle your
beliefs Randy, but when you say "take everything NASA says with a grain of
salt,"  I have to come back and say "Take everything you read in a Ufologist
book with a grain of salt too".  This is a tricky issue - people usually
aren't in the middle ground on it.  The UFOlogists, they're ready to have
Scotty beam them up.  The debunkers probly wouldn't believe in Aliens even
if they got warped to XG-13, planet of the 3 armed, 18 brained purple
people.  so i say take everything you hear with a healthy skepticism, don't
belittle it as total b.s. or become a fanatic believer in it either.

        My final point is this:  There almost certainly is extraterrestrial
life, but if they are really here - then why are they being so damn
secretive.  If aliens are coming here i don't think it would be a secret for
very long.  I don't think that they would only have secret powwows with top
military officials at Area 51 trading alien technology for human genes or
anything.  I think, if they could travel light years, their society would
probably be advanced enuff that they would just come out and say "Yo Mother
Earth, We're here, we got a big ass mothership and we wanna party!"  When  a
plausible theory has been developed on how to travel light years without
having it take a few million years i'll be more ready to believe it too.
science already has a theory on how time travel can be accomplished, but,
unfortunately this involves becoming the size of an atom, which is easier
said then done, and is in the netherland of quantum mechanics.    UFOs have
only been prominent for the last 50 years -  for one i don't think any
government, no matter how powerful, could keep something like that under
wraps for so long.  but look at history -  people in other times spoke of
otherworldly experiences with angels, fairies, witches, the devil.  I think
a lot of it has to do with the cultural context one is in.  We live in a
pretty secular, scientific society and UFOs fit our current schemas for the
unexplained.  Perhaps these are all the same phenomena.....

                        Just some food for thought, 
                                                        Marc


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heyheyhey...

kwik, non-rave-related kwestrion...

does anyone know the actual name for that little squigly line on yer
keyboard...you know, the one you find in URLs sometimes...you know...

this one =====> ~

anyone?...

*hugs*

JOSH!

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i am an alien.

i have been sent here on a mission.




i am performing experiments on the human aura and how it changes under the 
influence of waves.  more specificaly, i am testing your vibratory 
reaction to smiles and grooves.

i invite you to participate in this experiment with me next weekend at a 
campout in kentucky where i will be smiling and grooving for three days.


any questions can be posted to this list or sent to me directly at:
	star@interaccess.com

--star*

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MA4--
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____for the observer. 
(from) http://www.bahnhof.se/~mike/ufo/vallee.html

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its called a Tilda or used expresivily on the internet as an emoticon's 
tongue :D~  also could be a cigarette!  we need an emoticon for E....:)

see you at love revolution:)

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thanks massive like to all yall who helped my sawrry as out by informing me
of the name of that little squiggly thang (also know as a tilde :P)...

*hugs* and all dat...

JOSH!

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i need some help with teleneting and stuff...so as to get hooked up on 
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    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: raver187@m-net.arbornet.org (Joe LeSesne)
    To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com (Pittsburgh-Cleveland Rave List)
    Subject: IO3 and SETI
    Date: Wed, 07 Aug

    
    
    
    	Alright this has hit a nerve with me. I know this is not the SETI 
    list but someone asked the question about why IO3 was having a PHD from 
    the SETI Institute come and speak and why they were donating money to 
    SETI when it would be "better to donate it to the homeless". I've got nes 
    fgor you, despite what you may think SETI research was effectively 
    beaten down and homeless when in 1994 just two years after the REAL 
    search of Extra Terrestrial Intelligence begun at NASA Congress cut 
    NASA's funding of it. This search would have covered the scale of all 
    previous searches in less than a year (and did). You see SETI isn't this 
    thing that has been going on continuously for for 30 years as alot of 
    people think. It has been a rather start/stop thing with HUGE gaps. SETI 
    is not the primary focus of radio astronomy as many people think it is, 
    and it has to compete with alot of "higher priority" things like looking 
    at the radio emissions of a black hole in a galaxy 50 million light years 
    away (when we could be picking up TV signals from an alien civilization 
    50 light years away). The NASA SETI search would have lasted 10 years and 
    would have covered 95% of the sky and the entire reagion of the radio 
    spectrum which we can reacieve clearely from earth. SO basically due to 
    some close-minded Congressmembers NASA SETI became homless if not 
    outright dead. Even though NASA SETI came to less than 1/10 of 1% of the 
    federal budget, Congress would rather sink that money into things like 
    giving tax breaks to rich people, building more weapons we don't need, 
    restarting the Star Wars program, etc.
    
    	Today I'm sure many of you heard on the news or read in the paper 
    the discovery of ancient life on Mars announced by NASA Today. I watched 
    the news conference on CNN and if this is confirmed then this date will 
    be taught to your kids in school in the same way that we were taught 
    the date of the Moon Landing, the launching of Sputnik, etc. This also 
    raises the stakes that SETI WILL find something IF it has the money to 
    look. Here is finally proof that life could arise on another planet right 
    here in our solar system. Add to that the fact that we now know of 
    atleast 10 other solar systems (the closest of which was discovered by 
    Univiersity of Pittsburgh Astronomer George Gatewood at Allegheny 
    Observatory, a place I can walk to in 10 mins from my house.)
    
    To put this all in perspective, a skeptical London book publisher today
    reduced the odds of finding intelligent life elsewhere in the universe
    from 500-to-1 to 25-to-1 because of todays announcement. 
    
    What might we learn when SETI DOES find something? (notice I said when 
    not if)
    
    Who knows? A cheap or free energy source? A cure for nearly all diseases, 
    a way to travel to the stars for very little money, a way of synthesizing 
    food out of the basic 4 organic elements (Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, 
    and Oxygen)) thereby eliminating hunger, anew method of communication at 
    faster than the speed of light (which would lead to REALLY fast computers)??
    
    There are many possibilities but if we don't  look then we won't find 
    them and if that person that asked what SETI has to do with the quality 
    of life on earth still thinks nothing then I say re-read that whole 
    paragraph again. Hell just knowing we are not the only intelligence 
    might make people on this planet slowly realize that we are ALL ONE 
    eregardless of nation, race, religon, gender, culture, politics, and 
    whether we like house or jungle ;) (sorry I couldn't resist). All our 
    petty squabbles here on earth would shrink to almost insignifigance. 
    Homelessness and many other things could slowly be eradicated and we 
    might enter into a new era of peace and cooperation. Remember 
    homelessness has many causes, half of which are social, the other half 
    economic.
    
    Knowledge that we are not alone in the universe has no price in my
    opinion.  Kudos to the IO3 crew, I only which I was playing as this type 
    of stuff has facscinated me since I was a child and my dad bought me a 
    big book with pictures of the planets.
    
    joe187
    
    "we are back, yes we are..."
    
    
    
    

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On  8 Aug 96 at 0:53, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> 
>     What might we learn when SETI DOES find something? (notice I said
>     when not if)
> 
>     Who knows? A cheap or free energy source? A cure for nearly all
>     diseases, a way to travel to the star's for very little money, a way
>     of synthesizing ...


sure! take 294 N from chicago, get off at the Dempster exit West, right on 
Rand Road (immediately, but don't get back on the Tollway), right again on 
River Road and Left on Wolf.  there's a Phillips 66 at the corner there 
with the best prices on gas this side of the indiania state line and if 
you have ever been to my house, you'll remember the rest of the way.  
other than that, you can stand on the corner of the Phillips 66 and yell, 
i'll prolly hear ya.

and *that* my friends, is !both! a cheap energy source and a way to travel 
to star's.

=P

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hello mw-raves community-

i desparately need the 1.800 # for APPLE.  if anyone knows it, please 
reply to me directly.  much thanks

matt @ massive

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Thanx, Marc, for your post.  I'm glad you're questioning me... dat's cool.
Good for you, questioning is good, people should question things more
often.  Thanx, O Most Good-vibin' Mad-town Ravah!  =)

>I'm not trying to belittle your
>beliefs Randy, but when you say "take everything NASA says with a grain of
>salt,"  I have to come back and say "Take everything you read in a Ufologist
>book with a grain of salt too".

Oh, absolutely!  You're absolutely right!  Take *everything* with a grain
of salt.  :)  (Especially my posts, hehe... I know I always write very
matter-of-factly, but if anyone thinks I'm trying to portray my truth as
the only truth, that's not so... we all perceive our own truths and this is
how it should be!  I just happen to charge my writing with a lot of energy
and state my **opinions** strongly; much emphasis on the word "opinion".)
Actually, I haven't read any UFOlogy books, 'cuz I think UFOs are only a
very tiny aspect of extraterrestrial life.  (Refer back to my IO3 & SETI
posts a couple weeks ago where I was talking about et life existing
*beyond* the 3rd density.)  I bet a lot of that UFOlogy stuff is wack,
indeed.  But, while I encourage you to take everything with a grain of
salt, I would *definitely* take everything coming from any organization
associated with the government with a MAJOR grain of salt, a BIG fuckin
block o' salt!  ;)  I mean, like I said, NASA has made blatant attempts to
mislead, misinform, and run people in circles... and that's not a matter of
beliefs, that's factual history, that actually happened.  Why on Earth
would anyone trust what's coming from an organization that has been
repeatedly caught in the act of this?  I sure wouldn't.  And why anyone
would trust anything even remotely attached to our government is beyond
me...

>I mean this shit is way interesting, i'd just like
>to know where you got this information.  There's this interesting newspaper
>that is fucking hilarious that you can pick up at Supermarkets - It's called
>Weekly World News, you know the one i'm talking about, with headlines like
>"Backdoor to Hell discovered in Sahara Desert."

LOL... well, they're wrong, the Backdoor to Hell was discovered at Route 66
in Chicago when a makeup party for Moonflower was attempted.  Doh!  :D

[Actually, no, there was this totally stanky nasty greasy dirty fart-happy
kid from high school who might be considered to possess the Backdoor to
Hell... anyways...]

Most of my information comes from personal contact with et researchers (not
UFOlogists, there's a difference), remote viewers, scientists, indigenous
knowledge, ancient history, et walk-in consciousness, channeled information
(thru me and thru other channels), my intuition, and my heart.  (I'd like
to emphasize those last two for anybody exploring the subject of
extraterrestrials, they're more important than anything you'll ever read,
'cuz those are the only ways to discern your truth -- intuition and heart!)
Also, I know this sounds shitty (for which I apologize), but I can't tell
you where some of my information comes from, namely because a) I would
endanger people, b) I would endanger myself, and c) I'd be hard-pressed to
keep the nice men with the white vests and the butterfly nets away from me.
'nuff said.  :>  Again, I emphasize that my truth is certainly not the
only truth.

>        Randy, Interesting post -  but i'd like to know what books you've
>read, and maybe see these photographs of the pyramids on Mars and the UFO
>behind Neil Armstrong.

Er, I don't think those photos are available to the public.  If they were,
I suppose the public might have a different outlook on extraterrestrials.
:)  I would suppose that NASA pic is definitely not available to the
public, but there might possibly be some of the pyramid photos available in
Richard Hoagland's work, he's one of the people who's investigating the
whole "face on Mars" thing.  (I personally have not looked into the face on
Mars thing and do not have an opinion on it.  But whatever it is, it sure
doesn't look natural, and it's definitely there on the surface of Mars.)  I
know pictures of the face are available, as I saw one in an internet
magazine a few months ago, so maybe there's some pyramid stuff, too.  Check
our internet.  As far as books go, I haven't read any UFOlogist books, like
I said, I'm not really big into UFOlogy.  If you wanna know of some cool
books, though, check out "The Prism of Lyra" by Lyssa Royal and Keith
Priest and "Bringers of the Dawn" by Barbara Marciniak... although I don't
think those books would stand up to your scrutiny.  And if you want some
mind-blowing stuff, go to the URL for UFO 3, go to their links page (which
is very large and impressive and just goes to show what a wide variety of
conflicting et info is out there), and head over to the Department of
Interplanetary Affairs.  (Gee I love their name!) ;>  Some of the info
there is very valid, some of it is even a bit too wacky for my tastes
(actually no, I'm just sayin' that, nothing is too wakcy for my tastes),
but all of it will tweak your mind.  Check out the conversation there
between Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, and mission control during the first
public moon landing.  I might be mistaken, but I think this conversation
(which indicates contact with UFOs) was also picked up by some public radio
scientists on Earth who had the right equipment, 'cuz they were still using
X-band for the transmissions.

Anyways, I've gotta run along 'cuz I've got shit to do, but... yes Marc,
you're right on with what you're saying, and thanx for bringing up this
issue.  Yup, QUESTION EVERYTHING!!!!

Oh, one last thing b4 I go...

Koog said:
>Personally, I would not be very happy about us landing on Mars and
>'studying' it.
>Ever seen Independence Day?  Remeber this line about the aliens:
>"They're like locusts, swarming in and dstroying everything in their path
>and using up the resources for their own purpose."???
>They were talking about the aliens, but I think it had a bit of a double
>meaning.  *goes outside and notices consdierable difference in weather
>patterns since 10 years ago.*

What a good point.  Oh thank you thank you thank you for setting this one
up, hehe...

There are of course a lot of reasons for the changed weather patterns, both
natural and man-made, but IMHO (and the H.O.'s of lotsa researchers), one
definite reason for a change in weather patterns is the government's HAARP
project, which foolishly and haphazardly makes use of suppressed Tesla
technology.  Department of Defense documents released under a Freedom of
Information Act (FOIA) order state HAARP is an "active ionosphere
experiment" using an "ionospheric heater" to burn "holes" in the ionosphere
and create "an artificial lens" to focus energy "to higher altitudes...
than is presently possible" to "perturb" the atmosphere and study "how it
responds to the disturbance and how it ultimately recovers..."  Further,
"From a DoD point of view the most exciting and challenging" part of the
experiment is "its potential to control ionospheric processes" for military
objectives.  (!)  HAARP uses -- get this -- RADIO WAVES, which **blasts
away at our planet's ionosphere**, which causes weather disruptions... and
they do this *intentionally*.  They're trying to control mother nature.
But wait, didja catch that?  Their RADIO WAVES are fucking around with the
ionosphere.  Hmmmm... who ELSE has big radio toys and government
involvement and is poking around in space with RADIO WAVES and might
possibly be fucking things up??  "Gimme an 'S'... Gimme an 'E'... Gimme a
'T'..." <zippin' my loud flappin' lips>  (Yeah, please DO gimme that 'E',
hehehe...)

             :D

       Grinning broadly
   and foamin' at the mouth
   like the rabid dog I AM,

            Randy
             a d
              n      <--- take me with a grain of salt,
             a d          a slice of lemon, a shot of whiskey,
            Randy         at least an 8th of kind green buds,
                          and 2 hits o' white blotter.......

Rainbow Freq!
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great info, and you are correct,.. information is power,..& something the
gov. surley doesn't want to just give out
but
SETI went private a few years ago,..it is NOT a gov. funded project
it was..... but, not anymore
it is an expensive endeavor that is now funded through various space
enthusiast groups.

peace brother

antares


> Well, since this "Life on Mars" stuff made it to mw-raves rather quickly,
> there must be some interest, so...
> Here's the URL for this life on Mars stuff if anyone is interested:
>        http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/NewsRoom/today.html
> 
> Interesting.  I would like to toss my two tweaked cents in on this matter.
> 
> First off, keep in mind that this is *NASA*, folks.  This is the puppet
> public space program, just like our government is a puppet government.
> NASA ain't the top of the space-exploration ladder and they *certainly* are
> not up-front with their discoveries, it's just a front for the public eyes.
> (There is at least one other space program (tied in with the National
> Security Agency I think) which is not public and is a helluva lot more
> elaborate.)  So I would take anything NASA "officially" says with a grain
> of salt.  Personally, I think this announcement about single-celled life on
> Mars is simply their way of opening the door for something larger, it's a
> good first step to get people to be able to swallow the fact that the
> government knows about and has had contact with "larger scale" ETs for a
> long time, seeing as the information about this contact is leaking out more
> and more and they have little choice at this point but to go along with it
> and try to lessen the impact on the public.
> 
> As anyone who follows in great detail what NASA is up to can tell you,
> there have often been TONS of contradictions and discrepancies in NASA's
> reports; all you have to do is open your eyes, ask questions, and/or do
> some research.  Very very fishy stuff, and their attempts to mislead,
> misinform, and run people in circles have been very blatant at times.
> Isn't that wonderful?  Very amusing, too, to see the sort of childishness
> and information manipulation that goes on with a subject so sirius by such
> "important" people.  (What's even more amusing is how quickly masses of
> people eat this shit up, but hey, welcome to America.)
> 
> If you want proof of life on Mars, check out the precise geometric pyramids
> there on the surface.  Pyramids, as in Egypt, Atlantis, and portals.
> PYRAMIDS.  Both the US and the Soviets have pictures.  Clear, obvious
> pictures.  I guarantee these were not constructed by single-celled
> organisms.  ;)  And while you're at it, you might want to check out a
> spectrogram anaylsis of the Martian moons -- they're hollow and made of
> metal and many scientists have stated that their orbits are far too
> irregular and have speeds too abnormal to possibly be natural moons and are
> actually artificial.  A Soviet space probe attempting to photograph these
> moons in 1989 suddenly disappeared after its last photos revealed a
> *missile-like object* heading at it from the direction of Phobos II.
> Straight road-like impressions were photographed on Mars too straight to be
> natural formations.
> 
> As for SETI and other public-eye idiocy, the men who invented radio, Tesla
> and Marconi, both reported receiving intelligent radio signals from space.
> That was a damn long time ago.  The fact that SETI has not yet come up with
> anything in 1996 shows either a) their incompetence, b) they're not being
> honest to the public (what, a governmental agency not being honest to the
> public? never happens!), c) extraterrestrials don't want anything to do
> with such bullshit and make sure they're not in contact with SETI, or d)
> all of the above.  [I vote for "d", and especially "b".]
> 
> Meanwhile, I don't own a television thought/frequency-control device, so I
> didn't see this, but I heard one of NASA's astronauts was on some show the
> other night talking about his UFO experiences while working for NASA.
> Astronauts and military personnel have shitloads of contact experience, but
> are usually threatened with court marshalling or even *death* by people who
> really don't want that information out.  WHY WOULD THEY BE THREATENED WITH
> DEATH FOR SHARING WHAT THEY'VE SEEN????  AND ISN'T IT WONDERFUL THAT OUR
> GOVERNMENT THREATENS PEOPLE WITH DEATH??!!  The question isn't, "Is NASA
> hiding something?"  It's, "What is NASA hiding?"  Official NASA Apollo 12
> photograph AS12-497319 clearly shows a large UFO hovering over an astronaut
> walking on the Moon; non-official people have seen this photograph.  The
> government agency's policies of keeping UFOs secret from the general public
> is *well-known* and has been well-documented in several books by people
> who've worked in this area.  There's something really fishy going on here,
> 'cuz NASA has known about ET life for a long time, at least as far back as
> their first public trip to the moon.  And our government has had knowledge
> since at least 20-30 years before that.
> 
> Ah yes, the game goes on...
> 
>        Peace,
> 
>        Randy
>         a d
>          n    <--- gets a great laugh out of NASA, SETI, and
>         a d        all this government bullshit, and can't
>        Randy       believe "open-minded" people follow it so blindly
> 
> Rainbow Freq!
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let me just say that i wrote this several days ago, but i haven't been able
to
send it, cuz i've been having problems with EVERYTHING! =(  if it's already
been said, or is no longer relavent, email me and tell me i'm an idiot...

jon sed...

>i think that vibe can be changed and reversed. 

and i agree.  it seems to me that when someone picks up a bad
vibe at a party (be it from one individual or from the entire party)
one of two things can happen.

1)  it can make them depressed, angry, or whatever and although they
may not think so, they will only pass that bad vibe along if not amplify it.
i've been to parties and got really bad vibes which made me sad or depressed
or somethin, and after that i just wasn't in the mood to party.  now that i
think about it, anyone who saw me or talked to me after that prolly picked
up on that vibe whether i knew it or not.

-or-

2)  one can choose not to let it affect them, and they can continue to spread
a good vibe regardless (i.e.  smile, dance, laugh, hug, jump, play, smile...)
anyone seeing this may pick up on that and it may cancel out any bad vibes
they may have already picked up.  i know if i'm getting bad vibes from a
party
and i see one person doing any of the above and i get good vibes from them,
it
usually makes me forget the bad feelings i was getting.

i firmly believe in this phenomenon (whether you want to call it spiritual
energy
or just plain body language).  i have my beliefs, but they don't matter.
i think it's good if you are perceptive/empathic enough
to pick up on these vibes, but i think one needs to be strong enough not to
let
it influence one's own vibes.  i completely agree with jon when he says if
you
feel bad vibes, kick good vibes of your own... =)
i mean, what else can you do?  unless you want to kick bad vibes, but who
wants to do that? =)

peace,
darrik



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alright, i'm confused...  stuff says the pharcyde won't be at the cleveland
show... stevie says they will...  (at least i think that's how it went down
=)

does anyone have any solid info one way or the other, cuz i would really like
to know, as i have tickets for that show, and it may not be too late to
switch 'em.

oh yeah, and if they aren't comin to cleveland, are they comin to pittsburgh?

peace,
mindkiss


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my super chick, brenda, and i will be attendin rave em and baily on 08/31. the  
only problem we have is that we will be comin from detroit. we are goin to take 
 the train, but have no idea how far the train station is in wisconsin from the 
 site of the party. we don't even know the site of the party for that matter.   

if anyone has any good info for us, like even a hotline number it would be appr 
eciated. i would also like to get a copy of the flier...i like to keep copies o 
f the fliers from parties i have been to.                                       


chilll                                                                          

Russ                                                                            


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just a parting thought before i go to work....

i don't know about the seti project... too many conflicting opinions.

however, i do know that Dan Efex's 'The Seti Project' mixtape KICKS ASS!

hehehehe :)

jon.

"dreamer dream your fantasy <bad old rave song!  :P>"


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chris e, you come down to a madison party, you'll see what's up!!!!  :D :D 
it's great :)  you hear correctly.

elesdeeman......  welcome to the list, scott!!!  you sound like you'll fit in
just fine round here! :D  and about flipside...

y'all..... WHAT HAPPENED TO FLIPSIDE?????  their info line died, no more
parteeeez...... blah!  whats up?  same with phreshgruv :(  but i hear that's in
part due to the lovely tribal bros.  could be worng, but that's what i hear. 
peace!

plur!

jon.

"if you have a dream, it will pull you away from your fears."


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transmission.


on august 8th.. the star children bring you..

ANOTHER BOMB ASS PARTY!  

featuring:

ASTROBOY!!!!!  <st louis>
KEE!!!!!!!!!  <madtown acid ruler of the world.. he just rox!>
and CHRISTOPHER!  <not sure if this is DJ chris or christopher that puts on the
events, we'll have to see!!>

everyone show up.  it's at 29 S. Mills Street in madison..... tickets are ONLY
$5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  starts around 11 usually.... to get there from madison:

take park street going towards downtown...
turn left on regent...
go two blocks up and take a left onto Mills St... by the hardees...
the building is on your left... right before the next street intersection. 
take a left on that street and then take the next left into the parking lot. 
park there, or on the street somewhere close.  NOT in the other lots, because
the cops will show up and yell at you.  :P

star line is 258.0098.  call that if you need more info!  i love yall!  :)

jon.

"if you have a dream, it will pull you away from your fears."


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  8 07:24:49 1996
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does anyone know the vibe/emotional influences of colors?

for example, red is supposed to rise anger (like the red cape in bull
fights... and my roomate told me that chicken farmers put red eye contacts
on chickens, so that the see in a red tint, thus angering them thus
raising their testosterone, thus making them grow bigger... ) 

i've also heard of appetite experiments with mashed potatoes, and the
color of mashed potatoes most people would not eat, were the blue ones...

anyone?, anyone?

plug?.. this question comes about, because i've got color tinted light
bulbs (green's my favorite so far) i've been getting set up in my basement
for a house party (all night style ofcourse) on sept 21(Autumnal Equinox),
so anyone in the grand rapids, mi area email me if interested (free)..

art
aschryburt@npainc.com

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Wait until you hear Dan Efex spin at IO3...he saved his best records for IO3.

French E
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just a parting thought before i go to work....

i don't know about the seti project... too many conflicting opinions.

however, i do know that Dan Efex's 'The Seti Project' mixtape KICKS ASS!

hehehehe :)

jon.

"dreamer dream your fantasy <bad old rave song!  :P>"



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It's called a Tilda!!!!!

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, . joshua . decker . wrote:

> heyheyhey...
> 
> kwik, non-rave-related kwestrion...
> 
> does anyone know the actual name for that little squigly line on yer
> keyboard...you know, the one you find in URLs sometimes...you know...
> 
> this one =====> ~
> 
> anyone?...
> 
> *hugs*
> 
> JOSH!
> 
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In a message dated 96-08-06 23:11:56 EDT, you write:
>>WHAT???!!!   I CANNOT EVEN believe that someone would do that!!  Obviously
>these chicks you've had the unfortunate experience of encountering all
>attended and obviously aced the class of "How to be prime steak hootchie
>bitches " 101.  I'm even more surprised that this happens in Madison!  That
>place seems to be some supernatural utopian region of insane good vibes.  In
>any case, no, I don't think you should stop passing those stickers out.  Ppl
>who go around and try to spread smiles and good vibes are are most
definitely
>needed at parties.  Maybe it's the WAY you pass them out?  Like do you go up
>to them and just stick it on their chest or something??   =D Sorry, I don't
>mean to be making a joke out of this b/c it IS very much a vibe killer when
>something like that happens. But seriously I can't believe that anyone would
>do that!  
>Well try to keep it up and I'm sure sooner or later ppl will start to
>appreciate your efforts.  But just for you and your past experiences I hope
>that it's sooner rather than later!  In any case, take care.  laterz
>peace out
>Allyson
>mw-raves@hyperreal.com

No the thing is, im a nice dude.  and i smile and say "hey wanna sticker?" i
dont get it.  ppl who know ppl cant understand it.  maybe im
dellusional(sp?).  who knows. thanx for the effort..peace.  and im continuing
handin out stickers, with a god damn smile, big one at that...yeah!  peace
again.
ink.madcitymob


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star sed:
=================================================================
>     Who knows? A cheap or free energy source? A cure for nearly all
>     diseases, a way to travel to the star's for very little money, a way
>     of synthesizing ...


sure! take 294 N from chicago, get off at the Dempster exit West, right on 
Rand Road (immediately, but don't get back on the Tollway), right again on 
River Road and Left on Wolf.  there's a Phillips 66 at the corner there 
with the best prices on gas this side of the indiania state line and if 
you have ever been to my house, you'll remember the rest of the way.  
other than that, you can stand on the corner of the Phillips 66 and yell, 
i'll prolly hear ya.

and *that* my friends, is !both! a cheap energy source and a way to travel 
to star's.

=P

(okay, so i added an apostrophe)
====================================================================

speakin o cheap gas stations. i couldn't get over how cheap the
gas wuz in detroit - $1.06 for regular unleaded! i think it has
sumptin to do w/ not having to pay certain gas taxes in detroit,
but gas around here in cleveland is around $1.20. the biggest
irony is as soon as u cross the border into canada the gas prices
sky rocket to like $1.30 a gallon for reg. unleaded. i pity the
kids that had to get gas in canada for sickness. talkin to some
canooks, i hear they cross the border not only to get cheaper 
gas, but cigarettes, mini-thins, and of course records.

and speakin o records, i couldn't get over the selection they had
@ Record Time! and a pretty hefty selection of techno cd's too!
i bumped into quite a few ohio dj/ravers there before the party.

oh BTW if u haven't figured it out, Star is my alien brother...
it is a conspiracy...it's all a part of the big plan...and IO3
is just another step...

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  8 09:32:43 1996
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Firstly, we would like to thank everyone who came out to
Sickness/Recovery.

We hope everyone had a good time.  For the info of people who would like
to know, we had roughly 2500 people!


We would also like to extend our apologies to those who tried to listen
to the event via the proposed realaudio broadcast.  As many of you
already know, in the end, there was no broadcast.  This was because the
actual location of the party had to be changed only days before the
event.  The final cornfield location was far to remote for the cellular
backup plan, and we didn't have enough time to drop in the special phone
lines that had been ready to go at the original location.  Another of
our backup plans was to record the show onto Dat, and then rebroadcast
apx. 10 hours later.  This plan was also foiled because of the location,
due to the huge amounts of dirt and dust that our Dat player didn't 
appreciate.  I'm sure that the digital crowd out there are as
disappointed as us,  but we'll be planning other events using Realaudio
in the coming months, so keep your eyes and ears open.


SPECIAL THANKS TO Jeff for finally coming out to play at one of our
events!

Again, thanks to everyone who supported us for this event, and the ones
in the past.  

See you all soon.

Richie Hawtin

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From: 	Washington D.C. Rave List on behalf of Derrick Miller
Sent: 	Thursday, August 08, 1996 8:36 AM
To: 	Multiple recipients of list DCRAVES
Subject: 	Re: FW: IO3 and SETI

I just want to add that if anyone wants to find out more about SETI, go
check out http://www.seti-inst.edu.  It's pretty darned interesting.

- Derrick


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Steven Y. Tsang said:

:speakin o cheap gas stations. i couldn't get over how cheap the
:gas wuz in detroit - $1.06 for regular unleaded! i think it has
:sumptin to do w/ not having to pay certain gas taxes in detroit,

The gas taxes are low here for the same reason that
we have a dozen freeways and a crap mass-transit
system:  the whole local economy is centered around
carscarscars and driving them everywhere.

:i hear they cross the border not only to get cheaper 
:gas, but cigarettes, mini-thins, and of course records.

The parking lot at Southland Mall in Taylor
_always_ has as many Ontario plates as
Michigan plates on weekends.

:and speakin o records, i couldn't get over the selection they had
:@ Record Time! and a pretty hefty selection of techno cd's too!
:i bumped into quite a few ohio dj/ravers there before the party.

It's definitely the place to go on the Saturday before a big
party if you want to see all of the out-of-town DJs. :)

  -d.w.
  don't read _Amelior_
  don't even think about reading _Amelior Regained_




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Does anyone know anything about this.

dustin


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Are you referring to the MegaCult party? If so, I'm waiting for the German
staff to get back to me with promo artwork and information so I can build 
the web site (complete with live netcast and online ticket sales)...

Check out www.megacult.com for updates...

mike
www.needle-drop.com

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Dustin B Bowman wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about this.
> 
> dustin
> 
> 

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Everyone and their brother has been asking about the site for IO, so we
thought that we
would release a few more details.  The reasons for not giving out the
location are quite
simple; we don't want people coming to the site early and disturbing the
other people using
the site.  We have sole use of the facility begin at noon on Friday the
16th, however, until
then the site will be continuing business as usual.  The site is being
extremely cooperative
and supportive of our efforts; in return, we wish to minimize the impact
on their day to day
operations.

The location is approximately 45 minutes from downtown Louisville.  Exact
directions will
be posted sometime next week, probably on wednesday.  The site has over
3000, that's three
thousand, acres of land.  There are numerous hiking trails available,
including one 10 mile
trail.  There are also numerous other activities for your enjoyment, the
most popular of
which will be, of course, the large swimming pool which will be open
during the day.  Also,
there should horse riding available.  There are actual campsites available
with running water
and electricity.  Furthermore, there are plenty of real bathrooms and
showers.  The campsites
are huge so if everyone shares sites we have facilities for about 5000
people comfortably. 
All permits and licenses are secured.  The local authorities are fully
cognizant of our plans,
and we have their complete cooperation.  There will be several off-duty
officers working
security.  These officers have been selected by me.  Their job is to
insure the security of the
event.  The security at IO will be the usual Evolution security friendly
and helpful.  They are
there to serve you, not harrass you.  Please respect the space and use
common sense and
everything will be great on the security front.

The main sound system will be in a huge meadow, over four football fields
in size, in the
middle of the woods.  The event is rain protected, so we are on rain or
shine.  The other two
systems will be in nearby clearings.  We are limiting the sound systems to
three to minimize
the impact on the space, allow people to sleep (the camping area should be
well insulated
from the sound systems), and provide for a more cohesive vibe.  

There is on site store and restaurant.  These will not be open all night,
however.  So you need
to come prepared for the weekend.  There will be some food and drinks
available near the
main dance area at night.  In general, everyone needs to come prepared to
spend the weekend
in the woods.

Please, Please, respect the site.  This is an absolutely gorgeous outdoor
setting.  For once lets
not cut off our own foot.  If the site survives the weekend, then IO will
have found a
permenant home.  Not to mention the very favorable PR that our scene will
receive.  We are
entering a new vulnerable time for our scene.  Things are going well on
many fronts but as
our scene grows once again, we are receiving increased media attention, as
evidenced by
FURTHER appearing in the New York Times.  A little responsibility on our
part will insure
that the scene survives this increased scutiny.

Thanks for your time and attention,


Tim
evolution productions
your IO Co-Coordinator



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From: "Scott A. Spielman" <speedy@cris.com>
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Subject: Important Lost City Info!


hey all,

i'm on digest, so sorry if this info has already been posted, but...

if you were planning on going to lost city in baltimore, you need to
call your local ticket outlet for important late breaking changes on
this party...

/scott


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  8 11:52:44 1996
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>Rave is a by product of the late 20th century machine.
>Never before has there existed such a time of non-violence, safety
>and sterility.  Meat is eaten but no one ever sees an animal
>slaughtered.  Disease is isolated in the hospitals.  Childbirth is
>invisible.  I have never seen a pregnant raver.  Death is never seen.

What I am getting at is that we have become separated from
our most basic drives.  Eating, breeding and death have become
conceptualized.  This is the reality of the 20th century.
It is perhaps a healthy thing for the rave scene to embrace
artificiality which is at least our real environment rather than
trying to go "back to the land" like the hippies tried to do.
To say that modern man is corrupt and then impose a dogmatic
lifestyle upon oneself is the very definition of neurosis.
Let's say a guy is craving a Big Mac. Rather than punishing
himself with a dish of brown rice that tastes like straw it
would be much healthier to buy a Big Mac and really experience it.
Smell it.  Look at it.  Chew it up.  Consider its origins.
Feel its texture.  The resulting revulsion should take care
of any future craving for Big Macs without any guilt.  I have
noticed that when I show giant projections of Gene Simmons
spitting up blood  ravers really like it.  I can think of alot
of things that I've had shoved down my throat in this world
that I'd like to spit back out.  I think that art is an attempt
to digest and assimilate experience.  Ravers tend to be more
artistically aware than most people.  It is wonderful to come
in touch with joy through music. When the joy stops being real,
when we all start talking about how good it used to be, it means
that we are out of touch with the aliveness of direct experience.
It means that we have grown and our reality has shifted and it is
time to move on.  Right here and now I am looking at, experiencing,
digesting and attempting to assimilate the numb spots in my
consciousness where I should have strong feelings about death,
birth and meat.

>I have alot of desensitized sex.  I have flame wars with people
>I never intend to meet.  People only tell me their nick names.

A person can either love the person they are fucking or they can
purposefully not love them and be satisfied with crude tactile
stimulation which is alot safer.  Flaming someone I don't know
is only slightly more satisfying as cursing the TV.  Generally when
I meet my internet contacts in flesh and blood the flames stop.
Nick names are fun.  Alot of people only know me by my various
show names and that means they don't know me very well.  That
is okay for aquaintances but not friends.

>My physical survival is secure but yet I feel constant anxiety.
>Life is a 24/7 low grade emergency characterized by bewilderment and
>isolation in a too big society.  Life has become a futile attempt
>to manipulate symbols.  Success is measured with symbolic pieces of
>paper.  I feel most alive when I see my name on a flyer.  I attend mass
>dance parties with people who are anonymous.  When I express pain
>they offer me blow pops and new age mind fucking. Empty
>expressions of love are worse than useless since they solve no
>problems and increase guilt.

Rave has gone beyond mere weekend entertainment for alot of us.  For
me it has become a way of life.  When it transcends the realm of
compulsion and addiction it is the most alive thing I know.
Occasionally our manipulation of symbols strikes home and something
real happens.  That is the beauty of art.  Symbols are set free from
everyday contexts and combined and recombined until they recognize
a truth in a shifting reality.  An artist suspends his or her pre-
conceived notions and plunges into the work which is risky and scary
and if the artist is successful it is very satisfying even if it
is an expression of pain or fear.  Life is exciting when it is
spontaneous.

When I talk about "mindfucking" I mean the kind of rhetoric that is
divorced from direct experience and tends to go around and around
without much connection to the here and now.  The never ending question
"Does PLUR really exist?" is an example.  Mindfucking is especially
degenerative when it is reactionary like when someone compulsively
plays the devil's advocate so that every discussion becomes bipolar.
Thanks for the Blow Pops but I'd prefer to hear what you really think
even if it is a "negative vibe."

Concerning compulsive flaming I'll quote Fritz Perls (Gestalt Therapy,
1951, p353):

The neurotic need for victory is not the need for the object fought for,
exercising aggression in open conflict; it is a need to have won, to be
a victor as such.  The meaning of it is that one has already importantly
lost and been humiliated and has not assimilated the loss, but
repeatedly tries to save face with petty triumphs.  So every inter-
personal relation, and indeed every experience, is turned into a little
battle with a chance to win and prove prowess.
     Important conflict, however, struggling for an object that will
make a difference and risking oneself in an initiative that may change
the status quo--this is precisely avoided.  Small symbolic conflicts and
large false and therefore unending conflicts like "Mind versus Body,"
"Love versus Aggression," "Pleasure versus Reality," are means of
avoiding the exciting conflicts that would have a solution.


I like solutions even if it requires the destruction of old beliefs
and the accompanying pain and joy.  Rave came around when the old
system of expression called the rock and roll establishment
stagnated.  We found our own venues when club owners wouldn't
hire our musicians.  We woke up for awhile and so far the
establishment hasn't been able to get a fix on us.  We fly
under their radar.  I don't really know if we will continue to
thrive.  I'm sure raves will keep happening but so did Dead shows
regardless of stagnation.  When rave stagnates I will move on.
Judging by the power I saw at Even Furthur we still have it and
we are more powerful than ever.

Take care,

Mark Josef
Demon Puppet/Brain Farm

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This sounds like a lot of fun, if it will be everything they promise! I'll 
be naked, how about you?


On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Jenifer Barnett wrote:

> 
> Greetings!
> 
> 
>   Saturday October 5th 1996 in Cincinnati, OH 
> 
> evolveNOW and antares of evolution opens a physical
> 
> 		T. A. Z.  Temporary Autonomous Zone
> 
> for your experimentation		
> 
> The event is to be held in a secluded quarantined area, a private resort
> It is an indoor/outdoor event,..the compound has a huge lake and enclosed
> swimming pool. It is a clothing optional event to carry forth the GOA
> tradition of TAZ
> 
> Lecture from the NSS National Space Society, to raise awareness about our
> space program and the possibility of colonization in our life time. Also,
> a local author will speak about the sepertine mound, and the earth's
> electro-magnetic energies.
> 
> Line-up thus far:
> 
> Thomas Michael   Los Angeles
> Ian Mariano      the Church, Cleve.
> Perry Ellis	 calico
> Subgenius	 calico
> 
> more to TBA soon
> 
> There will be a discount for net ravers.  The movement must be made soon
> to create protected virtual TAZs for our global communtiy.  It will be
> interesting to see who of us step up and complete the task.
> 
> namasta,
> 
> antares
> evolveNOW & evolution
> 

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996 osiris7@cris.com wrote:

> First off, keep in mind that this is *NASA*, folks.  This is the puppet
> public space program, just like our government is a puppet government.
> NASA ain't the top of the space-exploration ladder and they *certainly* are
> not up-front with their discoveries, it's just a front for the public eyes.
> (There is at least one other space program (tied in with the National
> Security Agency I think) which is not public and is a helluva lot more
> elaborate.)

OK Randy. now I wouldn't put it past them, of course, but where did you 
hear this from? Proof/evidence would be most heplful.

And speaking of space programs, somebody at Furthur said to me "there's 
this group of anarchists who aren't happy with the way the government is 
exploring space, so they've decided to do it themselves." Apparently it's 
called the Anarchist Space Program or something... does ANYBODY have any 
info on this?

-jeff

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On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Arthur Schryburt wrote:

> does anyone know the vibe/emotional influences of colors?
> 
> for example, red is supposed to rise anger (like the red cape in bull
> fights... and my roomate told me that chicken farmers put red eye contacts
> on chickens, so that the see in a red tint, thus angering them thus
> raising their testosterone, thus making them grow bigger... ) 

They also cut off thier beaks with a hot wire when they're chicks so they 
won't peck at each other. Nice, eh? (go vegetarian ;)

> plug?.. this question comes about, because i've got color tinted light
> bulbs (green's my favorite so far)

This reminds me of something... last winter was my first "real" winter 
(like with cold and snow and stuff) and it happened that I got rather 
depressed around that time... then later I heard about S.A.D (seasonally 
affected depression or something like that) and that people get depressed 
because of the lack of color in thier environments, and that there are 
special lamps that are supposed to help this... now what I'm wondering 
is, might those full-spectrum grow-lamps, like you use to grow pot, help 
a bit in surviving months upon months of flourescents, incandescants, and 
snow (complete with all its reflected UV)? Or are these perhaps what they 
use in SAD-lamps? Anybody have any experience/knowlege in this area? I'd 
rather enjoy winter this time.

-jeff

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Subject: Interstellar Outback Ver 3.0  final update. Look for color fliers
 	 this weekend
Cc: cdlockey@students.wisc.edu, "Chris Lee" <Jedi@anode.com>,
        "DJ Ian Mariano" 	        <shaman@en.com>,
        "Dylan Drazen" <ddrazen@liii.com>,
        "DynamicGroove" 	        <dgroove@csd.uwm.edu>,
        "Bassan Frank" <fbassan@club-internet.fr>,
        "Joshua 	        Miller" <Jmiller@dcs.vga.edu>,
        "k. woodruff" <kwoodruff@anode.com>,
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        "Stephen Cinch" <sleepyc@en.com>,
        "The 	        Professional" <platinum@telerama.lm.com>,
        "Wendy Converse" 	        <wconvers@CapAccess.org>




Interstellar Outback Ver 3.0 Beta......the search continues......
on August 16, 17 and 18 1996 somewhere in Kentucky.

DJ's :
3D (Chicago)
Aaron (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Astroboy (St Louis)
Acid Pimp (cheshire, Detroit)
Bliss (Baltimore)
Brad Peterson (Evolution)
Braidy (CBS, Cinci)
Casper (Jungle roots, Boston / strictly Jungle, Chicago)
Chip B (Nashville)
Corey (Just-us crew, Dayton)
Cosmic (33, Lexington)
Cosmic Tribe live pa (Nashville)
Cylert (Illuminators, Dayton)
Daemon (San Diego)
David Hollands (Minimal Wage, NYC)
Devil Girl (Connect, St Louis)
Devine (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Diesel Boy (Technical Itch Records, Pittsburg)
Door Mouse (Massive, WI)
Dylan Drazen (NYC, Boston)
Dzak (DBN)
Earth (Mineapolis)
Efex (Chicago)
Entity (Ultraword, Baltimore)
Ezra Kreeps (DBN)
=46eelgood (Fever, Baltimore)
=46rench E (Maxximum / Evolution)
=46requency M (Boston)
Halo (St Louis)
Hurricane (DBN)
Ian Mariano (Church, Cleveland)
Jedidiah (DBN)
Jeff Feller (Deep Grove, St Louis)
Jethrox (DBN)
Justin Long (Liquid Sky, Chicago)
Kaden (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Karma One (DBN)
Kell (Lexington)
Kimyon (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Kise (New Orleans)
Larry Breaks (Assembly required, Nashville)
Lettuce (Just-us Crew, Dayton)
Leviathan (Evolution, Net DJ)
Matt Hawtin (Plus 8 record)
Mark Verbose live PA (Milwaukee)
Matt (Evolution)
Max (Indi)
May Day (Transcendece, Toronto)
Mind Candy (Cinci)
Mindrive (Madison, WI)
Mogli (CBS, Cinci)
Mutt (Lexington)
Oryan (DBN)
Paradoxe (Seatle)
Perri Ellis (Calico records, Cinci)
Physics (Connect, St Louis)
Razorguts and Derek live PA (RG! Productions, Knoxville)
Reese (Liquid Sky, NYC)
Richard Devine live PA (Atlanta, Connect records)
Rob (Better Day records, Louisville)
Roon (DBN)
Sho (San Fransisco)
Skinner (Industrial Strength records)
Slak (Strictly Jungle, Chicago)
Sleepy C (Psycho Active records, Cleveland)
Snuggles (Strictly Jungle, Chicago)
Star (Chicago, net DJ)
Strech (Cinci)
Sub Genius (Calico records, Cinci)
The Professor (St Louis)
Tigger (Reddnix productions, KY)
Trevor Lamont (Lexington, net dady dj)
Tripp (Just-us crew, Dayton)
Troll (CBS, Cinci)
Wilhelem K (Soiree Records)
Xian (Cinci)

Main stage sound system by Maxximum Sound and Lights
Main stage lighting by Eyegasm
Main stage visuals by Optimystiq
Main stage laser by Centrax

Second stage sound by Drop Bass Network

Third stage by Dynamic Groove and those net kids

Main Voice Mail Louisville-502.569.1969
Main Voice Mail Bluegrass-606.226.6850

Atlanta   404.659.1430
Baltimore  410.788.5543
Chicago 312.409.6831 / 708.802.1438
Chicago-312.918.9084 / 312.509.6334
Cleveland  216.238.1451
Evansville-812.474.4803
Indy-317.767.5957 / 317.869.4546
Madison-608.258.0003 / 608.283.7856
Milwaukee-414.777.3982 / 414.777.3998
Nashville-615.780.3730
Ohio-513.496.1071 / 216.258.1037
St. Louis-314.994.1114 / 314.995.9518
Voice E-mail or E-mail : Maxximum@msn.com

As always, Interstellar will be as inexpensive as possible.  Tickets will be
$15 before aug. 1st, $17 until aug 15th and $20 at the door. This might seem
lame to us, but we have chosen to throw down for a particularly plush
location. This will provide full facilities for the weekend, camping,
security, insurance, medical tent, We hope you appreciate a safe, happy
campground with showers in real buildings, swimming pool as well as a rain
protected stage in a huge meadow within the woods.

This place is absolutely unbelievable, boasting running water and electricit=
y
for most of the campsites, natural trails, an onsite store, and numerous oth=
er
amenities to make the weekend as enjoyable as possible. An event on any scal=
e
has to be done in a realistic manner and we hope our true intentions are
clear.

Interstellar Outback will also be making a major contribution ot the SETI
Institute. On Saturday, Dr. Seth Shostak of the SETI institute will deliver =
a
presentation on the current state of affairs in the Seach for ExtraTerrestri=
al
Intelligence. The SETI institute is home to the largest coordinated search f=
or
life in the universe. They sponsor numerous research projects aimed at
determining if life exists elsewhere. The largest of these programs is Proje=
ct
Phoenix; the targeted radio survey of nearby stars.  It is this program that
your Interstellar Outback admission will be supporting.

Tickets are available now by mail order. Send money order to (made out to
Maxximum SL) :
Maxximum Sound and Lights
c/o IO3 tickets
2124 Sherwood Avenue, Suite 2
Louisville KY 40205
If we receive your order after the 12 of August , it will be too late to sen=
d
your tickets back. So we will keep them at the gate for you. (Will call) Don=
't
forget to include your return address. If you live around Louisville, you ca=
n
get them at Better Days records (basement) on Bardstown road.

We would like to thank everyone who contributed to the IO experience.  Peopl=
e
deserving thanks are too numerous to list, but a few have gone above and
beyond and deserve additional recognition for their efforts.  So we give ext=
ra
special shouts out to Drop Bass for years of support and bringing their soun=
d
system, Antares for promotion efforts, Optimystiq for their beautifull
visuals, Maxximum for providing all the wonderful gear for the mainstage, an=
d
of course, JJ who got this whole crazy thing started. And the rest of you=DD=
:
you know who you are.




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I recently rediscovered my Lego set, and I still love them! Does anybody 
have a box up in thier closet they'd give or sell to me? I feel this huge 
desire to own MORE! But the new sets are rediculously expensive, and not 
as cool (to me). Private email please. Thanks.

-jeff

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>does anyone know the vibe/emotional influences of colors?

Here are some basic generalizations from a beginner's guide to healing with
music and color.  This is a huge area of study and it's difficult to
generalize these things... and besides which, often times different people
have different reactions to colors.  Charts like this vary from different
sources, but these basic generalizations seem to hold somewhat true for
people who have been researching and working with this stuff for many
years:

RED  Tone - C; Chakra - Root (Bass of spine); Glands - Ovaries, Gonads;
Physical & Subtle Bodies - Physical; Characteristics - Physical strength,
leadership, independence; Healing for - Anemia, poor circulation, lack of
energy.

ORANGE  Tone - D; Chakra - Sacral; Glands - Spleen, Liver; Physical &
Subtle Bodies - Etheric; Characteristics - self-respect, courage, the
introvert; Healing for - low blood pressure, nerves, fear.

YELLOW  Tone - E; Chakra - Navel; Glands - Adrenals, Pancreas ;Physical &
Subtle Bodies - Astral; Characteristics - the introvert, the thinker,
emotional, good intellect; Healing for - stomach disorders, depression,
slow learning, nerves

GREEN  Tone - F; Chakra - Heart; Glands - Thymus; Physical & Subtle Bodies
- Lower Mental; Characteristics - Balance, tranquility, healing ability;
Healing for - heart, circulation, ulcers, imbalances

BLUE  Tone - G; Chakra - Throat; Glands - Thyroid; Physical & Subtle Bodies
- Higher Mental; Characteristics - Coolness, calmness, peace, purifier,
centered; Healing for - high blood pressure, fevers, skin problems,
tension, internal infections, cancer

INDIGO  Tone - A; Chakra - 3rd Eye; Glands - Pituitary; Physical & Subtle
Bodies - Spiritual; Characteristics - Intuition, dedication, cleanser,
memory ability, communication with other worlds; Healing for - nervous
disorders, problems with medications, lack of motivation, some mental
disorders

VIOLET  Tone - B; Chakra - Crown; Glands - Pineal; Physical & Subtle Bodies
- Divine Monad; Characteristics - Dedication, surrender to the path of
service, awareness of one's divinity; Healing for - feeling of
unworthiness, lack of motivation, some mental and nervous disorders


Please note that the "Tone" set is not something that's set in stone,
people studying psychoacoustics have found that different tonal sets can be
used.  Apart from the tones, the color and chakra correspondence seems to
be standard.  This is definitely the most popular Tone<-->Color<-->Chakra
set, though.  And the expression "chakra" refers to the bio-electrical
energy vortexes located in and around our bodies... it was once a very
"mystical" concept but now these vortexes are scientifically and medically
confirmed and can be viewed, measured, tested, balanced, etc.... they play
a *HUGE* role in our overall health; that's why vibrational healing is
effective, it brings the energy centers back into balance which in turn
brings the physical body back into balance.


>and my roomate told me that chicken farmers put red eye contacts
>on chickens, so that the see in a red tint, thus angering them thus
>raising their testosterone, thus making them grow bigger... )

Yick, that's disgusting.  Gee, mankind is so pleasant.  :P  I hate TV, but
has anyone ever seen that Chaco Chicken episode of the X-Files?  That'll
make ya never wanna eat chicken again...  <vomit>  Glad I was already a
vegetarian when I saw that.

>now what I'm wondering
>is, might those full-spectrum grow-lamps, like you use to grow pot, help
>a bit in surviving months upon months of flourescents, incandescants, and
>snow (complete with all its reflected UV)? Or are these perhaps what they
>use in SAD-lamps? Anybody have any experience/knowlege in this area? I'd
>rather enjoy winter this time.

I have a full-spectrum lightbulb in my lamp next to my computer, it works
wonders.  (I *think* the full spectrum is used for those special SAD lamps,
but I'm not positive... I know the full spectrum can be used to help it,
though.)  I can definitely tell there's a difference in the quality of the
light, and I can even FEEL the difference.  Last winter I hardly even went
outside, and this light seemed to help a lot.

       Peace from the Indigo Ray,

                Randy
                 a d
                  n
                 a d
                Randy

Rainbow Freq!
osiris7@cris.com
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Soundbeams produce sympathetic vibrations.
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Hi, I know these requests are annoying when they don't concern you, but 
bear with me. I'm moving out of my house saturday morning and I *need* to 
talk to Mike Davis (Mikeyd on vrave), but apparently he lost his email. 
Can somebody (funshine girlz?) help me out by either mailing me his 
number, or better yet asking him to call me ASAP? The number is below. 
Thanks a bunch. :)

-jeff

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug  8 20:40:55 1996
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Hey all,

One comment before I get tot he request:

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Arthur Schryburt wrote:
> does anyone know the vibe/emotional influences of colors?
>
> for example, red is supposed to rise anger (like the red cape in bull
> fights... and my roomate told me that chicken farmers put red eye contacts
> on chickens, so that the see in a red tint, thus angering them thus
> raising their testosterone, thus making them grow bigger... )

That seems logical, but don't you think that it would be easier
to just use red-tinted lightbulbs?

On the other hand, if I saw a video of someone trying to put contacts on
a chicken I'd probably laugh until I passed out (cruel thought it may
be to the chickens) so maybe that's why they do it.

  But the main reason for this message is to see if anyone out there might
have a copy of Juliana's Tokyo: Best of 1993.  A friend of mine brought
it back from this club in Japan, so I don't know if many people in the
states have run across it.  It's got two hours of really great house and
it's the tape that really got me into techno and dancing.  I had a copy
but managed to lose the tape, and my friend is back in Japan.  If anyone
wants to seel me theirs of would be willing to make me a copy, I'd
greatly appreciate it, becaue I miss it a lot.

  As a poor substitute, my favorite song on the mix was Praga Khan's
"Fantaysia" (sp?), and just finding a copy of that would be wonderful.

peace,
Ross

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>This reminds me of something... last winter was my first "real" winter 
>(like with cold and snow and stuff) and it happened that I got rather 
>depressed around that time... then later I heard about S.A.D (seasonally 
>affected depression or something like that) and that people get depressed 
>because of the lack of color in thier environments, and that there are 
>special lamps that are supposed to help this... now what I'm wondering 
>is, might those full-spectrum grow-lamps, like you use to grow pot, help 
>a bit in surviving months upon months of flourescents, incandescants, and 
>snow (complete with all its reflected UV)? Or are these perhaps what they 
>use in SAD-lamps? Anybody have any experience/knowlege in this area? I'd 
>rather enjoy winter this time.
>
>-jeff


i work sales in an electrical/lighting department store and know that the UV
flourescents arent good for human skin/eyes, but they are most like the sun.
so i guess same goes for a tanning bed, ever do one in the middle of the
night or mid-winter? you come out of it feelin great like youve just taken
some good-mood-happy-to-be-alive wonder drug.  so dont do the UV, unless you
like cancer ;)      ummm but they do make a WARM white flourescent bulb, it
usually costs more than a cool white, but does give places a good cozy
inviting warmth.  the COOL white gives an empty, sterile feeling.  green and
orange coloured incandescents together or separate in a room will have the
best effect on good moods.  try it, its pretty weird what you can feel by
just changin your surroundings.   have fun.
peace.
ink.madcitymob



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 > Ever seen Independence Day?  Remeber this line about the aliens:
 > "They're like locusts, swarming in and dstroying everything in their 
 > path 
 > and using up the resources for their own purpose."???  
 > They were talking about the aliens, but I think it had a bit of a 
 > double 
 > meaning.  *goes outside and notices consdierable difference in 
 > weather 
 > patterns since 10 years ago.*


yeah i know this is not rave-related but it is quite obvious that you guys are
very interested in this subject...so if you want to hear the latest info on
ufo's aliens, bigfoot, chupacabra, technology, politics, weather changes,
earthquakes, and just about anything else no other talk show host will talk
about listen to art bell's coast to coast AM week nights from 11:00 pm pacific
time....(thats 1:00 am in madison) to 4:00am and on sunday nights he does a
show called dreamland at 9:00pm (here) in madison i get his show on WTDY 1480
AM 
visit his website at http://www.artbell.com
this guy is very cool! he even has peices from roswell that were sent to him
and that he has been testing extensively....results so far....no one knows what
the hell they are

anyway
peace



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 > whelps...before i get started...one kwestion...
 >         someone suggested a book for me to read...and an 
 > author...but i
 > deleted that message (unfortunatel), so could whoever that was 
 > please inform
 > me again?...id totally appreciate it...thanks...

CYBERIA by douglas rushkoff
its worth your time and money this guy definately knows whats up



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if you or any of your family members would enjoy a sample set of limited
edition stickers including classics from years ago and new various styles,
contact me via email with your address so i can send them to you at your own
house, postage free!!!  thats how much ink. loves ya.     and if youre really
nice to me, i will even make special orders on stickers, if ya like a certain
style, but want somethin different for the words, let me know and i can see
if i can whip up a batch for ya.
peace until later...
"design"
 ---> ink.madcitymob (McM__96>?)

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Just testing.

But I am new to the list, so I thought I should take this time to say
hello,
too.  


I'm andy,  I live around chicago;  I love techno (esp ambient/trance)
and 
art. I just finished a vga for ambient interactive magazine (hi mike) as 
a matter of fact.  An interesting abstract that's very surreal and calm 
feeling, but with an edge of mystery.  Hope I can add somethin to this 
list.  

TTYL - andy (bobj@shoga.wwa.com)

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I tried to send this message before, as I know more than anyone should 
about how colours affect people (thanks to an ecclectic english
teacher),
but I guess it didn't go through.

Here we go ->

The original poster asked how certain colours may effect the vibe, and
also mentioned how red may make one angry, and how we hate blue mashed
potatos (I just hate mashed potatos).

Well.  Blue and Green are nice calm, cool colours (I know the original
poster mentioned he liked his green lights the best, which is 
predicable).  People like blue and green.  People trust blue and green.
Good colors for a chill-out room, if you're going to have one.

Red, being the complimentory of green produces the opposite effect.  I
makes someone more alert.  Anger is possible (if you think about it,
this probably goes back to ancient our hunting/gathering days, when it 
would aid in the killing of the prey..the red here being, obviously, 
the sight of blood), but unlikely. (I'm infering here:) Raised adrenelin
levels are possible. Good for the main room, especially in the case of
an 
all nite rave. How does yellow fit in?  Being purples complimentory
(purple
is a calm, cool colour too ya know) it has about the same effects as
red, 
but to a lesser extent.

Regarding food, etc :

People don't eat blue mashed potatos because there is no naturally 
occuring blue food (blueberrys are in fact violet, go check). Thus blue
has no offect on ones appetite.  Red, on the other hand, has the 
greatest appetite inducing potential.  You are more likely to eat 
something that is dyed red, and it is more likely make you hungery.  
Interesting fact : hot dogs are actually white.  Red dye is injected
before they are shipped out to wherever.

I hope this helps anyone who wishes to know more about the effects
of colours.  Mail me with any additions, or corrections.

TTYL - andy (bobtj@shoga.wwa.com)

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Jeff W. wrote:
> 
> You wrote:
> >
> >Just testing.
> >
> >But I am new to the list, so I thought I should take this time to say
> >hello,
> >too.
> >
> >
> >I'm andy,  I live around chicago;  I love techno (esp ambient/trance)
> >and
> >art. I just finished a vga for ambient interactive magazine (hi mike)
> as
> >a matter of fact.  An interesting abstract that's very surreal and
> calm
> >feeling, but with an edge of mystery.  Hope I can add somethin to this
> 
> >list.
> >
> >TTYL - andy (bobj@shoga.wwa.com)
> >
> nice to meet ya :).  I don't suppose you'd mind sending me that VGA
> would you?  I'd like to take a look at it, that stuff interests me.

Thank you.  Sure, I will send you (or anyone else, for that matter) the
vga, provided you (or anyone else, for that matter) supplies me with 
some honest feedback on it.  I want to touch up a few things first,
but I should get it out tonite.

TTYL - andy (bobtj@shoga.wwa.com)

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Oh, my, its dat freak again.....I just want to add to the ferver started by
my good pal Osiris on this whole NASA thing.  First, Randy is right.  NASA
is the governments "public space program"  it is what we see on CNN and a
pretty good front for other, more sinister doings...
The "real" space program by our government is run by "partys Unknown"  but
prolly the NSA (National security Agency) or simply, "the men in black" they
are the ultimate destination of all this "evidence" of ET life.  They are
the source of all of the misinformation, lies, stories, and prpaganda on
UFO's and ET.  They are the ones who "make people disapear" when they
threaten to release classified info and personal accounts of ET contact.
Space exploration, research, and the technology that goes along whith it is
perversly expensive.  Because these secret programs are just that-secret,
they do not bear congressional scrutiny, and therefor recieve only a couple
of billion from the taxpayers.  To finance the trillion dollar budget (no
exageration), they rely on NASA for their funding.  Sure, NASA exists and
sure, they are in the space exploration business, but they dont do much in
the way of ground breaking resarch.  Yeah, they send folks up there to visit
the Russians, take pictures of earth for the poster companies, and see if
onions grow in space.  Have you ever seen the itinerary of an astronaught?
It goes like: wake, exercise to see how we react to weightlessness,
scientific experiments, sleep. they dont accomplish anything.  But they do
make money for the secret space program.  How? well, NASA astronaughts are
by and large, real pricy mechanics.  Simple.  it costs hundreds of millions
to make a sattalite, and hundreds of millions to launch it, and hundreds of
millions to maintain it.  There are thousands of satalites and more being
made every day. private and goverment.  guess who launches them?  Right!
NASA! Its not like you can just launch one on your own, because if an
indevidual or corporation were to possess rocket technology, it would
warrent a visit from the men in black.....
They all pay NASA to assemble, launch and maintain satalites for private
firms and governments all over the world.  HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS are made,
which gets funneled to the "other" program.  I mean, we developed the space
shuttle to retrieve and repair satalites, not to explore.  Theres more money
in the former.
Ok, Ill stop rambling, but goddamnit, dont you just love these "spooky
government stories?  The sad part about it is the US gov. is the single most
widespread and powerful entity on this planet........At the
present<.......(name deleted to protect the innocent)

Oh, someone asked about the "anarchists space program"  get real.  If any
group had that much technology, knowledge, and money for that kind of
program, the men in black would lock them up in a room....and throw away the
room!


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1800 go apple is apples telephone numba...

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hello mw-raves community-

i desparately need the 1.800 # for APPLE.  if anyone knows it, please 
reply to me directly.  much thanks

matt @ massive


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it is also 1-800-sos-apple


>1800 go apple is apples telephone numba...
>
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>From:   mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com on behalf of massive magazine
>Sent:   Thursday, August 08, 1996 1:31 AM
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>
>hello mw-raves community-
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>i desparately need the 1.800 # for APPLE.  if anyone knows it, please
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>matt @ massive

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hey there, I'm the color guy, so i'll try to explain HION's version of the
color game.  Ok, here we go.  Ever since I was a little tyke, I have been
facinated with color.  I've done much research into the subject, both by
lectures, studies,books, and also by 'inner searching"  I can tell you
this....color definately has impact on your psyche.  No news there.  thats
why offices typically have similar color schemes to schools, and hospitals
are white.  different color eviroments produce different moods.  Randy
outlined the specifics in his chart, so I wont rehash(uhhh huhh huuh...he
said hash)  I stumbled apon a neat little experiment one night.  Randy and I
were trippin out one night and he has this cool rainbow lamp that projects a
true rainbow with no white light.  It uses a prism to seperate white light
into the spectrum (like the pink floyd poster)  This is absolute, true
color.  It is light that is only one wave-length.  pure color.  anyways, I
set the thing up so I could look into the light.  As I adjusted hight, I
could stare into one color at a time.  I noticed a mesurable difference in
my bodys resonance with each color.  I experianced different moods and
thoughts also.  I found that I resonate best between indigo and violet, and
felt "god-like" in green.  Get a rainbow lamp and try it!  It is a
cleansing, healing experiance to "immerse" yourself in pure color. I fell
into it and literally became color and light,  And no, it wasnt just cause I
was fruit-fruity that day, Ive since had the same experiance sober.
Anyways, thats prolly why we like multi-color lasers at raves, the pure
color doses can really help set the vibe.<----HION (dodging men in black)


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TONITE IN THE QUAD CITIES (fri)

THE ESCAPE - from Exstasis
 located in a 30 acre, remote country location 20 miles outside town
 free on-site camping
 intelligent lighting by CSE
 concessions n treats from Exstasis and DFT
 <2> dance floors - indoor and outdoor

DJ's:

SPEEDY & CHRIS SATTINGER (Communique, Minneapolis)

LIVE PA's:

Mingo (Sonar Productions, Iowa City)
Darkchilde (Cedar Falls)

LOCALS:

Scottie Miller
Tony Giovanni
CMC
Spintelligent
Leeb Two
K-Lib
Tyson Howell
Chris Soppe
Joshua Lockey
DJ Alert
Jake Reef

MAP POINT: Maps available from 7pm-12am today at DFT Clothing, 1652 West
Locust Street, Davenport, Iowa.  For additional info on how to get to DFT,
call the store direct at 319-326-3745.

Shaneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
                Blitzkrieg and the Doodlebug
                 Salt Upon a Bubbling Slug
                 I Can Talk to You Anytime
               But I Just Wanna Cut Some Rug
                    - Bluetones, 1996 -
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenahS
                   sbrown@netexpress.net


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Has anybody heard about a party in Madison this saturday? My friend told 
me one is happening, but the only info on the calendar is for a friday 
party called "The Garden". Help?

-jeff

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeffrey D.Gerard     (Jeff Gage)      http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-gerard/
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*** Resending note of 08/06/96 14:17                                            

Hi all!  ZMAN's got some more humor for ya!                                     

 ---------------------------------------                                        
         Here are some signs and notices written in English that were           
         discovered throughout the world.  You have to give the writers         
         an 'E' for Effort.  We hope you enjoy them.                            

  In a Tokyo Hotel:                                                             
         Is forbidden to steal hotel towels please.  If you are not a           
         person to do such thing is please not to read notis.                   

  In a Bucharest hotel lobby:                                                   
         The lift is being fixed for the next day.  During that time we         
         regret that you will be unbearable.                                    

  In a Leipzig elevator:                                                        
         Do not enter the lift backwards, and only when lit up.                 

  In a Belgrade hotel elevator:                                                 
         To move the cabin, push button for wishing floor.  If the cabin        
         should enter more persons, each one should press a number of           
         wishing floor.  Driving is then going alphabetically by                
         national order.                                                        

  In a Paris hotel elevator:                                                    
         Please leave your values at the front desk.                            

  In a hotel in Athens:                                                         
         Visitors are expected to complain at the office between the            
         hours of 9 and 11 A.M. daily.                                          

  In a Yugoslavian hotel:                                                       
         The flattening of underwear with pleasure is the job of the            
         chambermaid.                                                           

  In a Japanese hotel:                                                          
         You are invited to take advantage of the chambermaid.                  

  In the lobby of a Moscow hotel across from a Russian Orthodox                 
     monastery:                                                                 
         You are welcome to visit the cemetery where famous Russian and         
         Soviet composers, artists, and writers are buried daily except         
         Thursday.                                                              

  In an Austrian hotel catering to skiers:                                      
         Not to perambulate the corridors in the hours of repose in the         
         boots of ascension.                                                    

  On the menu of a Swiss restaurant:                                            
         Our wines leave you nothing to hope for.                               

  On the menu of a Polish hotel:                                                
         Salad a firm's own make; limpid red beet soup with cheesy              
         dumplings in the form of a finger; roasted duck let loose;             
         beef rashers beaten up in the country people's fashion.                

  Outside a Hong Kong tailor shop:                                              
         Ladies may have a fit upstairs.                                        

  In a Bangkok dry cleaner's:                                                   
         Drop your trousers here for best results.                              

  Outside a Paris dress shop:                                                   
         Dresses for street walking.                                            

  In a Rhodes tailor shop:                                                      
         Order your summers suit.  Because is big rush we will execute          
         customers in strict rotation.                                          

  A sign posted in Germany's Black forest:                                      
         It is strictly forbidden on our black forest camping site that         
         people of different sex, for instance, men and women, live             
         together in one tent unless they are married with each other           
         for that purpose.                                                      

  In a Zurich hotel:                                                            
         Because of the impropriety of entertaining guests of the               
         opposite sex in the bedroom, it is suggested that the lobby            
         be used for this purpose.                                              

  In an advertisement by a Hong Kong dentist:                                   
         Teeth extracted by the latest Methodists.                              

  In a Rome laundry:                                                            
         Ladies, leave your clothes here and spend the afternoon                
         having a good time.                                                    

  In a Czechoslovakian tourist agency:                                          
         Take one of our horse-driven city tours - we guarantee no              
         miscarriages.                                                          

  Advertisement for donkey rides in Thailand:                                   
         Would you like to ride on your own ass?                                

  In a Swiss mountain inn:                                                      
         Special today -- no ice cream.                                         

  In a Bangkok temple:                                                          
         It is forbidden to enter a woman even a foreigner if dressed           
         as a man.                                                              

  In a Tokyo bar:                                                               
         Special cocktails for the ladies with nuts.                            

  In a Copenhagen airline ticket office:                                        
         We take your bags and send them in all directions.                     

  On the door of a Moscow hotel room:                                           
         If this is your first visit to the USSR, you are welcome to            
         it.                                                                    

  In a Norwegian cocktail lounge:                                               
         Ladies are requested not to have children in the bar.                  

  In a Budapest zoo:                                                            
         Please do not feed the animals.  If you have any suitable              
         food, give it to the guard on duty.                                    

  In the office of a Roman doctor:                                              
         Specialist in women and other diseases.                                

  In an Acapulco hotel:                                                         
         The manager has personally passed all the water served here.           

  In a Tokyo shop:                                                              
         Our nylons cost more than common, but you'll find they are             
         best in the long run.                                                  

   From a Japanese information booklet about using a hotel air                  
      conditioner:                                                              
         Cooles and Heates:  If you want just condition of warm in your         
         room, please control yourself.                                         

   From a brochure of a car rental firm in Tokyo:                               
         When passenger of foot heave in sight, tootle the horn.                
         Trumpet him melodiously at first, but if he still obstacles            
         your passage then tootle him with vigor.                               

  Two signs from a Majorcan shop entrance:                                      
         -   English well talking.                                              
         -   Here speeching American.                                           


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hey what's up? just wanted to say that I'd be at love revolution with 
awhole gang of people.. :) ohh and kitten from NY will be joinin us..  
I'm just wondering who is goin and all that.. k? If we're goin to meet 
some people, well owrk something out about meetin.. l8r.. hope to see yas 
there..

				Mike



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Jeff Gage <j-gerard@uiuc.edu>

:I recently rediscovered my Lego set, and I still love them! Does anybody 
:have a box up in thier closet they'd give or sell to me? I feel this huge 
:desire to own MORE! But the new sets are rediculously expensive, and not 
:as cool (to me).

No, but did anyone else happen to catch the flyer for
Gabading?  Coolest flyer I've seen in quite a while.
4"X6" card with Lego DJ, turntables, and dancers.
What's so cool about it is that, with the angle
the photos are shot from and the overall composition,
it looks just like one of those party photos you'd
see in Urb or Muzik, except that everyone's a 
Lego being.  Ace.

More proof that a small, relatively inexpensive
flyer can be eye-catching, arresting, and memorable.

   -d.w.




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i just heard the enit fest for cleveland has been cancelled, perry farrell
backed out of the show.  i guess spawntaneous is planning a make showup for
the same night/space with all the quality acts from ENIT.  doesn't say who
is gonna be there though.  is the pittsburgh show still on?

russ


Also: PB-CLE-RAVES, MW-RAVES

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yup, it's true folks....read it and weep :(   

..i am


what could have been a wonderful experience is now wiped away....no reasons for
the cancellation were given, but i suspect it was the lack of ticket sales and
mr. farrel's pockets becominng empty without and corporate sponsorship in 
orginizing the tour....

btw, i am speaking of the *entire tour* that has been cancelled...

oh well...it was a good thought anyway

--jeff/stuff (that guy)

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I think it's called ZEITGEIST or something.  Anyways, its free, and if 
anyone's going, let me know and we can meet up somewhere.

                    -Jeff

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um i thouth it was sat night?
christian

>I think it's called ZEITGEIST or something.  Anyways, its free, and if
>anyone's going, let me know and we can meet up somewhere.
>
>                    -Jeff



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In a message dated 96-08-08 00:51:41 EDT, jadix@ix.netcom.com (Jason A.
Giles) writes:

> we need an emoticon for E....:)


what about ...    &) or   $)  or  #)  or  !e)  or *e)  ok, so they look
goofy, but i was reeeeeallllllly bored @ werk today ....

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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fuck. well i guess im not going.

have fun all.
christain


>nope...it's tonight 12-10am 312-409-PURE
>
>10dj's, 10 hours, south side chicago, 87th...100% free
>
>jessica



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Reminds me of the buliding blocks series!
Pete

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>hey what's up? just wanted to say that I'd be at love revolution with
>awhole gang of people.. :) ohh and kitten from NY will be joinin us..
>I'm just wondering who is goin and all that.. k? If we're goin to meet
>some people, well owrk something out about meetin.. l8r.. hope to see yas
>there..
>
>                                Mike


Well, I'll be there with my whole cru.  Look for the boy in the red sweater
with the big pants with the red and white star strips running down the side
and the white headband.  See y'all there.



-=(  Dave Justice   )=-
-=(ravekid@cris.com )=- for now at least
-=(indydave on vrave)=-

http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~indydave/



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug  9 18:22:50 1996
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In a message dated 96-08-09 19:21:58 EDT, cmatts@artic.edu (simple) writes:

> um i thouth it was sat night?
>  christian
>  
>  >I think it's called ZEITGEIST or something.  Anyways, its free, and if
>  >anyone's going, let me know and we can meet up somewhere.
>  >
>  >                    -Jeff
>  

nope ... it's tonight!!  it's at 1122 87th street on the south side ...
be there.

let's have a net meet somewhere ... :)

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug  9 18:46:22 1996
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From: Jennifer Angevine <jaguar@cinternet.net>
To: Arthur Schryburt <aschryburt@npainc.com>
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Subject: Re: Vibes and such
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well... yes, red is an angering/excitement color

blue is a cool/calmning color
yellow is a neutral color but can also give warm fuxxies
green is a really warm fuzzie color because ppl think of growing things 
like plants and nature in general when told the color green...

orange is an exciting color but is not so negative as red...
same for purple (but is can be a cool color to calm too {depends on what 
hue})

laters...

*hugz*
jaguar......

......that frisky cat


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> 
> No the thing is, im a nice dude.  and i smile and say "hey wanna sticker?" i
> dont get it.  ppl who know ppl cant understand it.  maybe im
> dellusional(sp?).  who knows. thanx for the effort..peace.  and im continuing
> handin out stickers, with a god damn smile, big one at that...yeah!  peace
> again.
> ink.madcitymob
> 
i'd take one if you offered me
one... ;)

jaguar......

......that frisky cat

> 

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hey all whats up?

i am going to be at the garden in madison tonight anyone else gonna go?
i'd like to meet ya...i will be wearing green jeans, a yellow shirt i have long
brown hair, and i will be wearing some light defraction glasses i will most
like likely be passing out some flyers for TRANCEND august 24 in chicago

tonights lineup
diz
davey dave
chad mindrive
wickett
creeps
shy
luna11
+special guests tba
608-283-7856

c-ya there!


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        Groove all night..
Sleep all day..
        Techno beat..
Jungle bass..
        succulent sounds and electronic dreams..
beckon us from afar..
        the time is here to unite..
under a truce of trance..
        look forward and you shall find...
the coming of a new day..
        dammnit, I cant wait for IO3!!!!!!!  See you....
.............. ... ..... ..................... .. ..... .....................
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On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Jeff S. Stern wrote:

> yup, it's true folks....read it and weep :(   
> 
> ..i am
> 
> 
> what could have been a wonderful experience is now wiped away....no reasons for
> the cancellation were given, but i suspect it was the lack of ticket sales and
> mr. farrel's pockets becominng empty without and corporate sponsorship in 
> orginizing the tour....
> 
> btw, i am speaking of the *entire tour* that has been cancelled...
> 
> oh well...it was a good thought anyway
> 
Actually as of now only cleveland, pittsburgh and San Francisco have been
cancelled.  The other dates are still going to happen according to the
organizer of the event.  I spoke with him tonight.

tim



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Aug 10 09:22:26 1996
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well i'm sorry i didn't check my email sooner to line up a net-meet or
something, but maybe we still saw each other there :).  I doubt it, but if
you did see me, I was wearing a blue shirt that said THC on the front, and
had a little guy holding a bong on the back, was wearing khaki pants, and
I've got red hair.  Also, My sister+her friend were with me.
    I thought it was a pretty good party (especially for free), I'm only
dissapointed that I got there at 10:30 (I didn't know when it started) and
didn't get in until 1:00, but that's OK.  We got kicked out of the Dunken
Donuts wihle we were waiting, the woman told us we had to go because the
gangbangers come by around 11:00.  So as soon as we left, a cop pulls up,
and started following us and pulled us over.  But that's fine, he didn't do
anything. 

                -Jeff Weinstein


			--Jeff W.

"If the doors of perception were cleansed, the world
	   would appear to man as it is.....infinite."
		     - William Blake 1793

"At one point consciousness-altering devices like the microscope and telescope 
were criminalized for exactly the same reasons that psychedelic plants were 
banned in later years. They allow us to peer into bits and zones of Chaos." 
		-Timothy Leary

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well, next week, after io3, it's time for me to head back to st louis.
I haven't seen a single flier for any upcoming parties this year.  The
only thing I know about that is coming up is Fallen Angel, and that
isn't going to be until november.

I heard that Vybrations throws house parties.  Are they any good?
Do they charge admission?  And who runs vybrations now?!?!

Anyone from st louis still online?!

---Cylert 

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The Generation OV Noise has finally hit wisconsin and will be putting on a
how tonight featuring The Spiral Tribe from the U.K........this show will
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:36:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: star <twinkle@wam.umd.edu>
To: dcraves@american.edu, ne-raves@world.std.com, mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com,
        se-raves@american.edu, txraves@io.com, nyc-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: OCTOBER 12TH BASSRUSH



                               BASSRUSH
                             OCTOBER 12TH*

JUNGLE

Formation Records Tour

**DJ RAP
**DJ RATTY
**SS
**MENTAL POWER

AND ALSO:

**TRACE
**KARL K
**SLANT 
**DIESELBOY

HOUSE AND TECHNO

**SCOTT HENRY
**TERRY MULLAN
**FEELGOOD
**OSHEEN
**GREG SARGENT
**BAGGADONUTS
**NIGEL RICHARDS

and one other happy hardcore dj...

stay tuned for more details...

star
angela
(you know...)

*note:  this date is on october 12th as originally planned.  the date 
would have been changed, but due to uncontrollable circumstances it will 
be held on that date.


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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: In Memory Of..


In case anyone doesn't know, Kool Rock Steady, a Chicago hip-house
artist, passed away last week due to complications from AIDS.  

His Latin contributions to House, Hip-House, and the entire dance world
will surely be appreciated here in Chicago.  I will personaly miss him
but I know he will always be with us in spirit...

Zheam ibn Ismail


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love revolution will be in harvey, IL (30 mins. south of the loop)
just so you know.  at the expo center next to photon.

i really can't wait to hear lil louie vega and roger s
as well as 2 of the best divas in the world.. barbara tucker and dajae

julian
dj casper
strictly jungle
312.409.7249

p.s. whoever is 21+ in chicago and doesn't attend the shelter every friday 
night you are missing out.  derrick carter and dj sneak threw down last
night.

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hiya peeps ... :)

this is a request...  this is only a request....  :)

no, seriously, i was wondering if there was anyone coming into chicago
tonight (or who is already here) who would be willing to stop in lincoln park
to give myself and a friend a ride to love revolution .... puh-leeeze ... :)

i'm not sure if i have another ride, but i want to make sure i can get there
and get back without qwestion ...

so if anyone can ... please email me or call @ (312) 348-3366
tanks bunches in advance and stuff ... :)

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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hiya  again ...

i got some mail and responses from a few of you regarding a ride down to
kentucky, but i haven't really heard back ... if you can give me a ride from
the chicagoland area and back, puh-leeze email me ... especially drdon ... :)

thanks bunches again ... :)

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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=)

ok, so i'm posting again.

did anyone else that hasn't posted go to Zeitgeist?
i thought it was a pretty good partee (for a free party jk :)
no, the first dj was pretty good, but when gene farris went on i found myself
closed in on all sides by kidz staring at the tables (i was right up there).
 he hit the tables hard and had people goin crazee ... :)  it was great =)
 but i had to leave when some tall gimp in a black polo shirt nudged me out
of the way so he could step in front of me (i was standing riight up at the
tables).  i just luuuuuuuuv that chiago vibe ... :)  that was actually my
only really bad experience of the night.
Mike Dearborn was pretty kewl too.  He peeps goin nutz to his set, but i was
outside most of the time after gene farriss' set.

lessee ... what else was there ... there was a fight in the parking lot (as
some ravers sitting next to me put it ... "probably some gang bangers ... why
are they here if they're gonna start stuff like that") ... the smoke machine
went crazee and was so bad that my throat hurt and i had to go outside ... we
couldn't see ... floor was sooper slippery ...
i only met one netter other than jessica that i came with (but her name was
jessica too :) ... wish we could have set up a net meet ... most of the time
i just wandered around and sat and watched people ...

oh yeah, i was wearing a light brown teeshirt that had a black and white
picture of a clown head on it and "Radioactive Flowers" in writing around the
clown head.  i sat outside ALOT and met some nice people.
we left around five-ish cuz the smoke was too much and we were just ready to
go too :)

that's really it ... sorry this is so disjointed and confusing ... i just
spewed it and didn't really 
take the time to think about what i was writing =P

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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I show up at around 11:45 and the place is surrounded with people and 
cop cars.  I find it's been busted, I wonder why the promoters didn't get 
permits, then I go home.  Goodbye ten dollars.

Alex

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> as far as the sticker guy who caught bad vibes fer it goes...dont
> stop making and handing out stickers...ppl who hand out stickers
> rule...and when they are made by that person its even better...i
> make my own too to hand out...ppl go nuts over it...its the greatest
> feeling when you give a paerson yer sticker and they go nuts for
> it...gives ya that warm fuzzy and kinda tingly feeling...its
> awesome!...

How exactly do you make your own stickers?  I would love to try.
Thanx

Alex


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From: Dylan Drazen <ddrazen@liii.com>
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        txraves@io.com, 313@hyperreal.com
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Ok fine this is my official post announcing the arrival of another one of 
my 92 minute techno mixes...  

Title:  Entrance (dd07)
Date:	8.96

Style:  Hard techno.  Techno?  Minimal, head-trippy techno.  More fuckin' 
	w/ EQ and c-fader.  This one's pretty hard.  not hardcore.
	mixed from vinyl.  no digital edits.  live from the serpentine.

Labels this time include Network 23, Sheep, AbSense, Disko B, Acid 
Orange, Casseopaya, Blueprint, J220, Sbrec, etc. etc. etc.....

"once again" the cassette is high quality chrome BASF, duplicated from a 
digital master (dat), with professional fullcolor jcard (designed by 
Studio X) and laser labels.

For a mailorder, $10.  This includes postage, a padded envelope, and a 
goddamn walk down to the post office on a humid sultry 90 degree day.

In person, $7.  If you'll be at either IO3 (ky) or efiles (ne) you can 
get it from me there.

I'll be in Europe from September until Christmas '96, so if you want it, 
you need to tell me now.  If you want to wait, get it for xmas.

-Dylan Drazen.



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But you must be aware that a fly can be swatted by a BK tray 		   /  \
		   By the way, yo here's yours.				   \__/ 


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:15:38 -0400
From: Michael J. Butler, Jr. <quest@cinternet.net>
To: 'Jennifer Angevine' <jaguar@cinternet.net>
Subject: RE: MAC help please (fwd)

Call 1-800 information..   1-800-555-1212 .   It is a free call.  Or check their web page!
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:41:51 UT
From: Hai Tek <DirtMcGurt@msn.com>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: RE: MAC help please

1800 go apple is apples telephone numba...

----------
From: 	mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com on behalf of massive magazine
Sent: 	Thursday, August 08, 1996 1:31 AM
To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: 	MAC help please

hello mw-raves community-

i desparately need the 1.800 # for APPLE.  if anyone knows it, please 
reply to me directly.  much thanks

matt @ massive





here we go!  ;)



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Hey, what's up.  I thought I just might give a little info on myself.  My
name's Andrea, and the reason I chose that weird email address (kikoman)
is 'cause I like the DJ, Kikoman.  Umm, I'm 13, and I've gone to 7
raves, all with my brother, who also happens to be on this funky list
(hello Jeff).  I went to my first one when I was 12!  Last one I was at
was that Zeitgeist thing.  Anyone know what the hell that means?  Even
though I'm usually the youngest there, I do my best to fit in (despite
what my brother says).  Ummmm, all that's left is that I live up in
Wilmette, a suburb of Chicago, oooooooooohhh (its *BORING*).  Ya, so
that's it.  Bye.

				Andrea W.

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well...... let me tell you.... up until about 3 am... my nite sucked.

i bought a ticket.. went over to the really rad location about 11:15... was
just kickin' back for like half an hour when the cops show up and it's busted.
<my first busted party, waaaaaah>  they took my name, address, and phone number
down.

now is this a very bad thing?  i mean, #1) why did they do that?  and #2)  what
are they gonna use that info for?  i'm not happy with the police officers... at
least they were polite to me.  the ones i dealt with, at least.

anyhow... so we were all bummed and we get word "call the info line!"  so we
just bummed around downtown and called the info line around 1:45... and still
no word.  :(  so we hear from jessica that there's gonna be a little shindig
over on winnebago till everyone finds out where the party's moved.  we get
there and like no one's there.  bah.  some people showed up... but we just sat
around and then jessica called the info line and it's over on e. johnson!  we
say great!  <this is about 2:30 am now, btw>... so we hop in my car and drive
back over to winnebago so we can follow jessica cuz we don't know where e
johnson is in relation to where we were.  we follow them, and there's this
really annoying person in my car <non-raver, his first one, very hyperactive>
and he shouts out the window 2-3 times "TURN RIGHT !"  of course, they're all
rolling and trippin in front of us, so they follow his directions.  then i have
to explain to them that he's just being dumb, ignore him.  grrrrrr.  it took us
like 20 minutes to get to e. johnson.  we get over there and i park illegally 
*grin*  but at least we're there.  we get in there and it's like a basement of
this big house... with all kinds of pipes and low ceilings and stuff.  really
neat i thought :)  it was semi-hot in there, but not TOO bad... so we're there
all grooooovin and it's happy and i see all my friends and WOO it's taken a
turn for the better.  it's all house <and house is not my fave thing... but
thass ok>  and i wish there was more variety, but i'm just glad we got to see
some music at all.  

this party was not worth $10, but it turned out pretty good.  chalk up my first
busted party.  and i fell asleep all paranoid and reflecting about the police
taking my name/nbr/address... got home around 6:30.  it wasn't a great party
for sure... but it wasn't my worst.

WAIT!  what am i talking about?  stop drop n roll got busted.  so this is my
second busted party.  duh.  oh well...... peace and love.  and keep thinking
happy thoughts, friends!

hi to everyone i saw at the garden... breezy, scott, derek, crystal, madeline,
charles, alan, ami, josh n jessica n petra, jessica, ted n jim, and whomever
else i forgot!  =)  later peeps!

jon.

"can you feel the love?"


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We've added Danny the Wildchild to our already massive line-up for kulture
shock in minneapolis on 9-21-96:

In the jungle room-

Danny the Wildchild
Phantom 45
Snuggles and Wisc
The JVC crew - Polter, Madkid, Para, Capsule
the debut of The Krafstman
2 special Hip-HoP sets from atmosphere w/ beyond aka the headshots

In the tekkno room-

Minddrive
EFEX
detroit's billebob
djSlip
Apollo
nyc's Lettuce Bee
brad ramylson
mushroom cloud

there is a reduced admission for freaks travelling beyond the border, bring
an ID and reciepts for gas-o-line.

info: 612-942-1477
      414-256-1350

PS. To all the rad people who have sent me mail, thanks!!  And to those
asking questions or needing a reply, I plan to sit down and catch up soon (i
get like 150 odd messages a day) :P  

earache
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hay I just kinda got back from the thing at first ave with meat beat
mainfesto and alex patterson.

if they are coming through your town anytime soon, run quickly away and find
something else to do like reading a book, cutting yourself with razors or
learning how to knit.

meat beat (or is beat meat?) manifesto was the lamest fucking "aren't we
artsy?" crap I've ever heard.  BOO!

and alex patterson was almost as lame.  altho his music was better, his
mixing bit (mixing in breakdowns, mixing without headphones - ha like he was
using them!, genre jumping - which is cool and all but this was just
straight up dumb).  I felt like I was watching someone just starting out ...
like JUST STARTING OUT.  And this might have been the case.

i mean christ he was cutting back and forth at one point and the record he
was cutting too was just like out of sync and everything sounded like shit
... but he seemed very pleased with himself ??

and also the crowd cheered ??

i'm glad I didn't pay

and i'm glad I didn't cheer

earache

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Subject: Deadheads, Drugs, Passion and Dilbert's children (fwd)
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I thought this might motivate a little thought.  Feel free to 
respond to me privately, if you wish.

- stevenJ

________________________________________________________________
Forwarded message:
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:48:36 -0700
From: Ray Evans Harrell <mcore@soho.ios.com>
To: Designing for POST-INDUSTRIAL REALITIES <futurework@csf.colorado.edu>
Subject: Deadheads, Drugs, Passion and Dilbert's children

To the List:

Well I'm, signing off for a couple of weeks because I'm going to=20
Nova Scotia and that conference with Gurstien and Company.  But before I
go I would like to share some things about the above. =20

At present I am working on a performance, sometime after the first of
the year, with a wonderful new group called Illuminati brought together
by an Electric Bass player named Joe Gallant who had worked on a Merkin
Hall orchestral concert I conducted in NYCity.  Joe with the composer
Edgar Grana and myself had wanted to revise a requiem that Edgar wrote
with Kurt Vonnegut and that I premiered and recorded successfully,
however, none of us really felt the piece was finished.  So Edgar has
revised the piece for Joe's Band,  22 mind-blowing Jazz-Rock musicians
with two solo singers and eight voice back-ups.  My company will supply
and train the singers and then we will collaborate in the performance
at a venue in NYCity. =20

All of this to say that the other night we went to hear Joe's group
perform at the Knitting Factory in Soho.  Edgar, Stephanie and a=20
Wall Street friend (expert in computers) and I were there not knowing
what we were going to experience.  We knew that the Illuminati is a
big band and that they are a group that has been encouraged and given
permission to do the repertoire from the old "Grateful Dead."  The=20
Wall Street friend had been a follower of the "Dead" in a younger time
and so we all filed into this club filled with all ages of people
and no seats!   We were all exhausted and the band started forty-five
minutes late at 11:00 P.M. after a very good four person band played=20
a set of new tunes.  Good, but we wandered in and out. =20

Then the stage filled up with musicians.  There wasn't a single inch of
space left on the stage.  The room did the same with the audience and=20
the band started.  Now let me say that I was not a person who didn't=20
inhale in the sixties and I had a lot of fundamentalist garbage from
the Reservation to get rid of and I did it with unnatural means.  I=20
believed
then that the ecstasy in the music was artificially supplied by those who
did inhale.

I discovered something on Thursday night in a room with no "grass,"=20
hardly any cigarette smoke and very little alcohol being served.  I guess=
=20
most of the older "heads" were AA people anyway.  I discovered that the=20
sixties were a serious musical event, something the chemicals didn't=20
allow me to realize at the time.  In this sober,  mixed crowd of=20
Dilbertheads, the entire audience was trapped in an ecstatic event.  We=20
moved we danced we closed our eyes and experienced the sheer joy of=20
perception.  How I've missed it!   How this society filled with such=20
intense, puritanical exploitation covered with the arrogant garbage of=20
ideology, can stand to have so little serious joy in their lives is=20
amazing to me.=20

Music brings joy to people.  It educates and is an antidote to rigid=20
orthodoxy.  It lightens the sorrow of poverty and moves children to both
appreciate their parents while striving to escape their traps.  It tells
us who we are and helps us to gracefully dialogue with the rest of the=20
world.   It is sometimes used, like all things, as a way to distract
the masses but it can never last at that because it opens the mind
with its complexity.   The seductiveness is that it feels good to be
good at it.  In that sense it proposes an ideal for all other professions
and societies.  Imagine a world where, like the child, joy was the=20
primary teacher and anyone with good sense avoided abuse.=20

Mike Hollinshead told me a story about the humanity of the owners of
the mines in England and Wales.  They provided bands and choruses for
the communities of miners.  These built strength of community and=20
connections between the children and the parents.  It also humanized
an environment which the society decided was essential but terrible.
I know this environment well,  because I grew up in the lead and zinc
mines, how terrible it was and yet the beauty of Beethoven and Handel=20
held out a promise of a different way.  It also taught me that my=20
friends were my wealth and that a true friend was eternal  no matter
what business he happened to be in.   =20

In the appreciation of Music and Art one isn't out of control, or being=20
controlled, but is in a genuine state of pleasure.  At the club in Soho
we were surrounded by wonderful music, friends and a total musical=20
environment.

Edgar (the composer) and I =93realized=94 the Vonnegut immediately and bega=
n=20
to plan how it would be done.  It belonged here.  It is a cry for God=20
to give up the Day of Judgment saying there has been judgment enough.=20
Let us live and let us die in peace.  "Let ashes be ashes."   The cry=20
sprang from the bunker beneath Dresden and reached fifty years later=20
into this time of struggle and disbelief.

The nineties is not a time of inhibition like the fifties.  We are not
coming out of a war with an enemy but engaged in a war with ourselves.  =20
Loyalty and  honor are slain on the altar of expediency.  The market is=20
a religion.   Community is justified as a resource for exploitation by=20
=93global business.=94   The struggle to give up the nomadic life and find
roots is at war with the economic desires of the powerful.  Literal
simplicity is touted as an answer to the lack of mastery.  They say:
=93It=92s in the book!  Just believe!=94=20

 In the fifties we walked  with the dumbness of inhibition  and were able
 to chose only sorrow  for we had no options.  The drugs,  we thought, =20
were the only way out of the insanity of a culture =93dead ending=94 in a c=
ul
de sac.  The cultural violence  destroyed our judgment.  The chemical=20
violence destroyed the walls,  flooding us with long buried feelings and=20
in many cases destroying the lives of our friends with it.  Today it is
not the youth that are destroyed, by a blind search for feelings, but the
elderly, the poor, the powerless.  The search is not for ecstasy but to=20
stave off the fear of destitution.  I have encountered this fear not in
the middle or lower classes but in the most wealthy, the elite.=20

I was fortunate, I had teachers and music around me to pick me up and=20
make me aware that being alive meant feeling, and that feeling was not=20
a "bad thing."   In fact, we all began our lives learning through =20
feeling.   What we were then  =93taught=94 was that instead of feeling  and=
=20
thinking, we had to do one or the other.   =20

Beethoven and his mighty Hammerklavier Fugue came to my rescue. =20
I couldn=92t feel it without  thinking it and I couldn=92t think it without=
=20
feeling.  The Cherokee people surrounded me and gave me strength.
 From within, as I have come to  realize, my family did the same.

 But on  Thursday night I met the "Grateful Dead" and finally understood=20
their name.  The pity was that Jerry Garcia had to die enmeshed in the=20
chemical slot machine of his own chemistry.  There is always a sacrifice.

Ray Evans Harrell
mcore@soho.ios.com




-- 
- stevenJ
http://hyperreal.com/~stevenj/

Occupied America

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Professor Earache sez:
# meat beat (or is beat meat?) manifesto was the lamest fucking "aren't we
# artsy?" crap I've ever heard.  BOO!

MBM has had some classics, but yeah... they seemed like they wanted to
become rock stars a la Trent Reznor.  BOO!

# and alex patterson was almost as lame.  altho his music was better, his
# mixing bit (mixing in breakdowns, mixing without headphones - ha like he was
# using them!, genre jumping - which is cool and all but this was just
# straight up dumb).  I felt like I was watching someone just starting out ...
# like JUST STARTING OUT.  And this might have been the case.

Just starting out?  Blasphemer!  :) :) The guy's been fucking with
people's heads and moving their asses since the 80's.  His set was one of
the more fun ones I've heard lately, mixing house, techno, and jungle
(oops, is it drum-n-bass?).  I was fearing it'd end up being some noodling
ambient wankfest, so maybe I was just happy to have something to dance to.

# and also the crowd cheered ??

Shit, at least a large proportion of the crowd was dancing, which is more
than you can find at a lot of underground parties.  The cheering reminded
me too much of that traditional "we came to be entertained,
rock-star-as-messiah" attitude, the lack of which is one of the rave 
scene's better features.

-- Chris

PS.  Speaking of 1st Ave, don't forget to mark Sept 17 on your calendar as
"P-FUNK 5PM".

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At 04:08 PM 8/10/96 +0000, you wrote:
>I show up at around 11:45 and the place is surrounded with people and 
>cop cars.  I find it's been busted, I wonder why the promoters didn't get 
>permits, then I go home.  Goodbye ten dollars.
>
>Alex

Ya know, had you called UPS later (say 1:30, 2:00) you would have found out
the party was moved to somewhere on E. Johnson....  Oh well, sorry you
didn't know.

					-Mark Petersen
					     petersen@itis.com


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Hey, what's up.  I thought I just might give a little info on myself.  My
name's Andrea, and the reason I chose that weird email address (kikoman)
is 'cause I like the DJ, Kikoman.  Umm, I'm 13, and I've gone to 7
raves, all with my brother, who also happens to be on this funky list
(hello Jeff).  I went to my first one when I was 12!  Last one I was at
was that Zeitgeist thing.  Anyone know what the hell that means?  Even
though I'm usually the youngest there, I do my best to fit in (despite
what my brother says).  Ummmm, all that's left is that I live up in
Wilmette, a suburb of Chicago, oooooooooohhh (its *BORING*).  Ya, so
that's it.  Bye.

				Andrea W.

------------------------------

 Andrea, there is no need to "fit in"  Just be yourself, smile, give out
good vibes, dance, and enjoy the music.  Dont worry about being anything to
anybody except yourself. Welcome to the list, 'lil raver sis<------HION


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anyone have any opinions on this?  One of the new listmembers mentioned
the fact that she was 13 yrs old.  Uhhh...I know I'm not her dad or
guardian, but a few things come to mind.

1 : curfew laws and raves...
2 : lots of drugs going on around raves...

besides that, i think it's great that she has something to do on the        
weekend, such as dance, get funky, and hear good music.  But if a
police officer were to catch her, wouldn't this put the entire
party at risk, and possibly put the promoter behind bars?! 

---Cylert

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sorry, the majordomo command "who mw-raves" isn't working, so I
have to waste everyone's time...

chris e, please write me.  I need to send you your record.

---Cylert

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Delete this quickly if you don't want to hear about Phish.

So i went to the concert saturday at alpine valley and i have to say it was
definitely an experience.  It was like being immersed in a different scene
that shares many similarities with our own.  Everyone called me "bro" or
"Brother".  i saw all the hardcore phisherman and women begging for tickets
and nugs, selling food and whatever else to try to get money to go to the
next show.  Big psychedelic tour buses.  As far as the show, it was really
fun!!!  There was a VIBE there.  I felt like i was at a rave with different
music, minus the fashion show and most of the elitism.  When i told people
it was my first phish show there were all like "hell yeah".   When i told
someone it was my first rave the acted like i was a fool.  And those Phish
guys really know how to play!  

Then i got to thinking, with all the similarities to the rave scene i saw,
wouldn't it be cool if someone promoted a campout party with "rave" dj's and
"hippy" bands to get the two scenes interacting...    and wouldn't it also
be cool if we had an mw-raves bus to go to all the parties together =D

only downside of the night....  i had to get jumpstarted to get out and
consequently got caught in the traffic jam of the century.  One last
thing.... even if you hate their music I think you should check out a Phish
show if they come there way, because of all the shiny happy people.  I'm not
hopping on the tour anytime soon, but if they get out this way again i'll be
there =)

                                        Peace, 
                                                Marc


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>
> 
>> as far as the sticker guy who caught bad vibes fer it goes...dont
>> stop making and handing out stickers...ppl who hand out stickers
>> rule...and when they are made by that person its even better...i
>> make my own too to hand out...ppl go nuts over it...its the greatest
>> feeling when you give a paerson yer sticker and they go nuts for
>> it...gives ya that warm fuzzy and kinda tingly feeling...its
>> awesome!...
>
>How exactly do you make your own stickers?  I would love to try.
>Thanx
>
>Alex
>
>
>
well...fer myself...i just buy some blank label stickers and different color
permanent markers...start drawing away on em! :)

*hugs*

JOSH!

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>Then i got to thinking, with all the similarities to the rave scene i saw,
>wouldn't it be cool if someone promoted a campout party with "rave" dj's and
>"hippy" bands to get the two scenes interacting...    and wouldn't it also
>be cool if we had an mw-raves bus to go to all the parties together =D


this already happens.....for something along the lines of what your saying
but more check out The Burning Man Festival in The Black Rock Desert in
northern Nevada......its not just ravers and hippies but phreaks from all
walks of like gathering on labor day weekend on a 400 square mile dry lake
bed......for more info do a infoseek search on the www and type in 'burning
man' and check out the web pages for it.......it will be going off in
around 2 weeks

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>anyone have any opinions on this?  One of the new listmembers mentioned
>the fact that she was 13 yrs old.  Uhhh...I know I'm not her dad or
>guardian, but a few things come to mind.
>
>1 : curfew laws and raves...
>2 : lots of drugs going on around raves...
>
>besides that, i think it's great that she has something to do on the        
>weekend, such as dance, get funky, and hear good music.  But if a
>police officer were to catch her, wouldn't this put the entire
>party at risk, and possibly put the promoter behind bars?! 
>
>---Cylert

well, its not any different than a 16 yr old with curfew laws  for instance.
 im 17 and have been ravin for 2 years now, and have never had any problems
considering age.  its up to how mature she is and how she acts when a
particular situation involving cops pops up.
hmm.  good point though...
peace.
ink.madcitymob

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due to the very overwhelming demand within the last two days for stickers, i
will be a tad late on some of the requests,  i need to make more and gotta
cash my paycheck on friday to be able to do that.  sorry for the time
shiznit.  ill get em out ASAP. so just sit tight.
peace.
"design" --->ink.MadCityMob  __96>?__

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From: Chris Sattinger <satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> (Chris Sattinger)
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>meat beat (or is beat meat?) manifesto was the lamest fucking "aren't we
>artsy?" crap I've ever heard.  BOO!

Yep, dull dull dull.    The last time they were through they rocked the
house.  They did lame soggy versions this time of classics that spawned and
fueled much of the current breakbeat scene.   But they did it with this
wanker drummer who was turned up to loud, so you couldn't hear the breaks !

>
>and alex patterson was almost as lame. 

ooooh.  much lamer.     A real dissapointment, and an embarrasment to
techno djs in general.   That someone with as much profile as him would
tour the US as a headlining DJ in clubs and then not really be able to
musically blend two tracks (even if they were in the same genre and sound
style)....    I had to explain to several people that I saw at first ave
that this was hideous.    Many of these people who don't go to parties and
don't know who the real talented djs are think that because Alex Patterson
is huge, he must therefore be an awesome dj.
He played a number of cool tracks (Guy called gerald, basic channel etc.) 
and a lot of really cheesy straight ahead progressive house.
I was hoping for an ambient wankfest myself.

  Over and Out.

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Chris Sattinger                                                            
     

 Reprogramming Our Reality Through Disco

Communique, Synewave, 
Probe, Sounds, Head In the Clouds

discography:
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satti002/discography.html
?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

US Techno House Business Resource :

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I forgot to add this: wouldn't the promoter be more worried about 
getting busted for drugs than having an underage kid there?  They're 
all over the place (the drugs), plus, the promoter can't control who 
goes in, he wouldn't be held liable.  If anything, the guards that 
search people would be in trouble, its them that let the kid in.  Also, 
if there really was a problem, she'd just get kicked out.  They 
wouldn't shut the rave down.  And because the flyers never give an age 
restriction, it therefore means that its an all ages thing.  Unless 
they actually say "must be 17 or older" like for Kinetic, it doesn't 
matter how old you are (well, you probably shouldn't bring a baby in).  
I'm not trying to get all pissy with anyone, just giving my opinion.  
But I can see where the original poster would be concerned.

                    -Jeff W

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>>meat beat (or is beat meat?) manifesto was the lamest fucking "aren't we
>>artsy?" crap I've ever heard.  BOO!

Boy, that's too bad, because I reeeally think their new album, "Subliminal
Sandwich," is in my running for favorite of the year right now.  It's very
VERY trip-hop/ambient/acied jazzy this time round.  A lot more SOUL in this
one than in the past.  Too bad they didn't cut the mustard live.

shane
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At 07:15 PM 8/11/96 -0700, Jeff W. wrote:
>I forgot to add this: wouldn't the promoter be more worried about 
>getting busted for drugs than having an underage kid there? 

In areas like this at least, the 3 major concerns of promotions, in my
opinion and in order, are (1) noise concerns, (2) curfew concerns, and THEN
(3) on-premises drug/alcohol.  It's the prospect of obviously violating city
curfews that would CAUSE the authorities to stop by and NOTICE the
drugs/alcohol.

>the promoter can't control who goes in, he wouldn't be held liable.  If
>anything, the guards that search people would be in trouble, its them that
>let the kid in.

Well, now, that depends on the contract that the promoter's signed with the
building owners/security people.  Most of the time ANY problems would be
held liable by the promoter, not the place OR the security.

>Also, if there really was a problem, she'd just get kicked out.  They 
>wouldn't shut the rave down.

Not necessarily.  It could depend on how MANY underage people the
authorities easily spot inside.  They very well COULD shut the whole thing
down if they wanted (but usually they don't wanna bother.)

>And because the flyers never give an age restriction, it therefore means
that >its an all ages thing.

Still doesnt make it legal.

Like I said, it really depends upon the laws of each particular town.  For
instance, out here, there are 4 towns together (hence Quad Cities.)  Each
town has their differing curfew laws.  In one of the four, all you have to
do to clear yourself of curfew problems is to announce at midnight "It is
now city curfew" and that immediately clears you of all liability - YOU are
not held responsible for any underage people, THEY themselves are
responsible.  But in another of the towns, the promoter is 100% liable for
anyone violating curfew...

shane
OX4 Exstasis QC
309-757-5323 voicemail

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so, how was the partee.  i, obviously, was not there.  oh well.  sometimes
you just can't get a ride ... :)

i had fun wiith non-raver friends tho, so it's all good ... =)

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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 > is 'cause I like the DJ, Kikoman.  Umm, I'm 13, and I've gone to 7
 > raves, all with my brother, who also happens to be on this funky 
 > list
 > (hello Jeff).  I went to my first one when I was 12!  Last one I was 

whoa! yer.....pretty young! i saw someone younger at vortex in madison back in
april.....there was a 3 year old kid there!!


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 > I show up at around 11:45 and the place is surrounded with people 
 > and 
 > cop cars.  I find it's been busted, I wonder why the promoters 
 > didn't get 
 > permits, then I go home.  Goodbye ten dollars.

it was moved into the basement of some house on e. johnson.....you should have
went....it wasn't worth ten dollars but i had phun


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> anyone have any opinions on this?  One of the new listmembers mentioned
> the fact that she was 13 yrs old.  Uhhh...I know I'm not her dad or
> guardian, but a few things come to mind.

13 seems a little young... i dont think i got the message from our young
new member but i'll write to her and say hi once i figure out what her
email is...

> 1 : curfew laws and raves...
> 2 : lots of drugs going on around raves...

curfew laws could be trouble, and drugs as well... but the drug problem
can be handled responsibly and i've known older people that look 13 and 13
year olds that look 18... so i say if she (or anyone else) can handle
his/herself at a rave, go ahead!

> besides that, i think it's great that she has something to do on the        
> weekend, such as dance, get funky, and hear good music.  But if a
> police officer were to catch her, wouldn't this put the entire
> party at risk, and possibly put the promoter behind bars?! 

well, yeah, possibly. but if she wasnt carrying ID i dont see how the cops
could prove that she was any specific age... I could be wrong though!

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seeing as how some people on this list have a tough time finding a ride
to a rave, I'd be willing to drive 1 or 2 people to any Chicago
(possibly Wisconsin) rave (of course, I have to be able to go first!). 
Hopefully this way less people will have to miss a rave.

			

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{Minneapolis Ppl}

If anyone is interested in improvised/free-jazz music, I'd love to see you 
down at the Loring Bar this Wednesday (August 14th, 1996).  I will be 
playing piano with Milo Fine and Joe Smith for a few sets between 9:00pm - 
Midnight.  I think our approach this time around is going to be a bit more 
"chamber-esque" (i.e. quiet...minimal) so with everyone else yelling and 
stuff it should have an interesting result.  

If you stop down, definitely grab me.. I have red braids (so as to not be 
confused with Milo when he starts playing the piano).

-Jason




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Hey guys!!

 I have a couple questions, and if you have a couple answers, I wouldn't mind
some private email...

 My fiance and I are looking for just one Technic 1200 right now because I have
the shittiest turntable on the face of this earth, and once he moves here, he
may wanna start dj'ing... If you all know of 
A.) anyone who's selling a technic or both used, how much they are, and who it
is, and how I can get in contact with them or
B.) how much a reasonably priced USED table would cost
Let me know, okay?? That would be ROCKING!!

Thanks!

-becky =)
 

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SHIT!
	I was going to see them tonight in Pontiac Mich. but now I may 
not. I loved the new album, but then again I still think Armed Audio 
Warfare was their best.
	I had a feeling Patterson might be one of those DJ's who spins on 
a name and brief history of spinning.

Oh well...

Pete

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matt @ massive asked for the 1.800 # for APPLE

i think it's 1 800 SOS APPL


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Started late. The recording said 11pm. They finally opened the doors past 
1am. This wasn't their fault, but at 11pm when it was clear that it would 
take a while, they should have updated the recording. The lights came on 
at like 6:30am or so and after a minute or two it was announced that 
there were another two hours.

Security problems. Nadean, the obstreporous security guard, has a serious 
control problem. That's obviously not unusual for Chicago-area police 
officers. She made the process of admission take hours longer than 
necessary. There was much pushing, shoving, screaming, and attempts to 
bum-rush the security. Even though I arrived at about 11:15pm, I didn't 
get through the door until 2:30am. (I was trying to be calm about the 
whole thing.) Did a security guard really need to remind guys to leave 
the bathroom promptly? They were doing that for a while. At least they 
let me in with a bag full of Blow-pops. The previous party in the same 
space had some of the same security and they wouldn't allow it then.
 
Poor sound. The first third of the time I was present was some live show 
with Little Louie Vega. The sound was "muddy." It seemed clearer for the 
last few DJ sets.

Lame lighting. I've said it before about Chicago raves. Bright strobing 
lights don't belong at raves shining in people's faces. Save them for the 
conventional clubs. I prefer blacklights.

No visuals. A $25 party with no visuals? At least a simple homemade laser 
doing lissajous patterns on the wall or something, please.

One setup. No second DJ setup? Ambient or Jungle or something different, 
please.

Still no seating. I'm constantly amazed that all the raves I've been to 
in this area don't have any significant amount of seating. What would a 
couple dozen beanbag chairs cost?

On the plus side, the air-conditioning was working, so it wasn't quite 
the sauna some events are.

I think I got the flyer for it at Thunderground, but I could be wrong. If 
what it said about proceeds being donated somewhere is true, then this 
was a worthwhile time. If they lied, then this was a poorly planned event 
with very poor execution. Back home in SF, some of the events offered a 
$5 discount if you brought some canned food or a stuffed toy as a 
donation. This is a much better way to handle charity events and it 
should be considered in the future.

------------------------------------------------------
|  Alexander M. Rosenberg   <mailto:alexr@bungie.com>|
|  Bungie Software          <http://www.bungie.com>  |
|  Nobody cares what I say.                          |



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24 AUGUST Saturday            CHICAGO                TRANCEND

                         * T R A N C E N D *

                 Jedidiah.........Drop Bass, Milwaukee
                 Speedy...........Communique, Minneapolis
                 Efex.............The Assailant, Chicago
                 Doran............Rampant, Los Angeles
                 Daniel...........Moontribe, Los Angeles
                 Mindrive.........Erotishock, Madison
                 Dr. Reality......His House, Chicago

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01 SEPTEMBER Sunday           MILWAUKEE               DETONATE

                        * D E T O N A T E *

            Diz......................Red Dog Represent, Chicago
            Davey Dave...............H.P.S. Chicago
            Dzak.....................Toolbox Tunes, Milwaukee
            Andi P...................Sundaze, Madison
            Quasar...................Star Prod.

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07 SEPTEMBER Saturday            CHICAGO                 ?

                         The return of A T P...

                   Billy Nasty          Kenny Larkin
     
                      and guests to be announced

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St. Louis is online!!!  
Don't know how many of us are here, I  haven't been a subscriber
for long.  Vybrations is indeed throwing house parties.  I've heard they're
really killer (I was out of town so I missed them).  They were supposed
to have two back-to-back this past weekend "Apart" and "Together" for
only $2 each, but I heard "Apart" was cancelled and I went to Chicago
on Saturday for "Love Revolution".  Vybrations # is 314/995-2660.  You
can usually keep posted with most St. Louis events with the love line
(Superstars) 314/994-1114.

By the way, "Love Revolution" was my FIRST Chicago rave.  I had
heard the the Chicago scene had a lot more attitude than St. Louis ->
totally untrue from my experience.  It amazes me how people that are
rollin' are drawn to each other.  It was WAY overpriced ($25), and we
had to wait at least an hour to get inside, but once inside we had a blast. 
We stayed till 8 and tried to go to the after party, but it was cancelled
(bummer).  Sorry you missed out Ben!

Tammy

PS:  Hi John, Love you!
>>> <page@simon.wustl.edu> 08/10/96 10:48am >>>
well, next week, after io3, it's time for me to head back to st louis.
I haven't seen a single flier for any upcoming parties this year.  The only
thing I know about that is coming up is Fallen Angel, and that isn't going to
be until november.

I heard that Vybrations throws house parties.  Are they any good?
Do they charge admission?  And who runs vybrations now?!?!

Anyone from st louis still online?!

---Cylert 



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17 AUGUST Saturday              CHICAGO                  TOP SECRET

                          T O P   S E C R E T

                     Will Webb          Buzz Goree
                     Ruffneck           Robert Hood
                     Ellery Coles       Everfresh
                     JJ Jellybean       Robert Armani
                     Lady D             Danny the Wildchild
                     Phantom 45         K-Alexi

                        3 1 2 . 5 0 9 . 2 9 0 4


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31 AUGUST Saturday               CHICAGO              NEW WORLD ORDER

                           The Jack is Back...

                   * N E W   W O R L D   O R D E R *

     ...No hype, just urban electronics for the real underground...

   
                          + michigan vibes +
   
      * Octave One *        * D. Knox *        * Jay Denham *

   
                          + chicago  vibes +

 *  Gene Hunt  *  K. Alexi  *  Steve Poindexter  *  Akiliah Bryant  *
 
 
                       + till da break of dawn +
 
    *  Boris  *  Davey Dave  *  Frique  *  Mystic Bill  *  Traxx  *

 
           Directions / Info... 312-509-4902     312-509-6334


  

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14 SEPTEMBER Saturday            CHICAGO           PLANET JUNGLE

                         p l a n e t   j u n g l e

                       DJ JEFFEE         JUSTIN TEWN
                       ZVI               SUBZERO
                       SNUGGLES          DANNY THE WILDCHILD
                       PHANTOM 45        DR. GROO
                       KID ENTROPY       DJ RUSH
                       MYSTIC BILL       HUGO MOYA
     
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Hi everyone...Kitten and I (spitfire) are traveling to i03...:)
We are leaving HIckory Hills, IL to Louisville, KY...so if anyone is in 
dire need of a ride we would be happy to help :) We have available space 
for two ppl...so as long as someone wants to ride with fun ppl, have a 
great time, and chip in here and there...we are off for a fun 
weekend..*hugs* :)

Please email back asap ! 
P.s...
Hi mw raves..I am kitten visiting from NY (ne raves)! I cant wait to come 
out and meet everyone *hugs* So i hope to see lots of you at i03..(i 
finally made it mint) :)



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Ok. So I havn't eaten or slept for 2 days yet I can make time for 100 
e-mail messages? Excuse me while I re-adjust my priorities. 

I'll be unsubbed for a while. Personal e-mail to mikew@needle-drop.com

Re: the Meat Beat thread... 20 minutes of the live show went out live on 
needle-drop.com last night along with both of Alex Patterson's sets and 
Atmospheric Audiochair...

I like to think that one facet of Needle-Drop is that it exixts as a way for 
all of us to make our own judgements about music. Right now, you can 
check out Alex Patterson's set. Within 24 hours or so, I will have 
organized 6 hours worth of DAT and put online all of the sets that I 
have permission to transmit. Check it out for yourself.

mike

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Remember to go to Rinse Cycle on friday if you're in minneapolis! Well,
not if you like jungle but if you do like jungle you should definitely go!
Tickets (according to the voicemail) will be $10- which is nearly half the
regular price of a minneapolis party!  And I hear JVC really has their
shit together ;)

Anyways, in case you dont yet know:

Friday august 16th (or is that the wrong date? it's friday anyways)

JVC- the Jungle Vibe Collective presents
Rinse Cycle

DJ 3D - chicago
Danny The Wildchild - chicago
Para.Capsule.Polter.Madkid - JVC Residents Minneapolis
Chris Sattinger - the hometown hero! (hehe...)
Slip - minneapolis
MCs Brace and Bumpy Screw
early morning jungle set by Slick 50

and dammit, I can never remember their voicemail number- it might be
257-7056 but i'm not sure. if its wrong please correct me!

chris e

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Subject: september 14th 1996 pittburgh PA THAT THING!

Holdsome Productions

THAT THING Pittsburgh PA sept. 14th 1996

that main room

Supa Dj Dmitry (of deee-lite)
Carlos (cdc soundsystem. San Fran)
Kimball Collins (x-mix productions . FL
Rob Paine (special k . Philly)
Smoov (protokulture records/club168)
Ruffian (protokulture records/club 168)
Dieselboy (sub base records /UDG inc.)

that other room

Warming (liquid sky, NY)
Dj Sharp-A (holdsome, NY)
Count Zero (rediance organization)
Bleep (resident evil/inorganic studio, PA)
Saint (pittsburgh)
Product 19 (jive turkeyz)
Smartie (pittsburgh)
Eric D (n'sync, pittsburgh PA)


Tickets
$15 Advanced
$18 @ the door with flyer
$20 @ door without flyer

Tickets avalible at:
PA.
Teleropa  412.621.2144
Protokulture records 412.232.0860
Slacker  412.381.3911
611 records 215.413.9100
Checkered Past 717.561.8898
MD
Modern Music 410.675.2172
DE
Rainbow 302.368.7738
NY
Liquid Sky 212.343.0532

MAIN INFO LINE  Holdsome 412.734.8960

*promotional support*
Spawnatneous 216.779.7188
Pstchoactive 216.556.0899
Jive Turkeyz 412.389.9545
UDG inc. 412.734.1467
Special K 215.552.8103
Lucid Productions 212.646.0391
Scott the Blinkin' Guy 410.258.6295

Intellegent Lighting - Thunder & lighting
That Main Room Sound -30,000 watts- midnight blue
That other room sound -10,000watts- Wizard Workshop

Holdsome Productions would like to thank:
First and Foremost all our faimly & friends, everyone dedicated to putting
the pittsburgh scene on the map

Special Shouts out to:
Mark, Trevor, Ryan, John, Opus, The Stickman, Don, Josh(nj), Graig(ny), ward,
vince, Brad the Liquid sportsman, CJ, Scott(md), Matt, sussy, kelly,
Chirstina, Keith, Paul, Rob, And to anyone my feeble mind may have forgotten!

Special Mad Props: 
Javski & Hot Rod Productions

Anyone interested in vending @ this event-
call main info line & leave A contact # if you wish to participate

Please NO!
Bad attitides, alcohol, weapons, markers
YES!
Smiles, Energy, Good Shoes


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Subject: the zone

     Saturday September 7 Chicago IL Uptempo Dance presents
     
                                       THE ZONE

Traxx          Overload             Tron
     Chicago                                         Boston
                                            Chicago

Justin Long          3D           Sonic Boom          Halo
       Chicago                       Chicago                       Chicago
                       Chicago

Richie Wel           XIAN         Kid Entropy      Snuggles
    Chicago                        Cincinnati                    Chicago
                        Chicago

Phil Freeart     Jeff Starlight        Danny the Wildchild
     Chicago                            Chicago
                                    Chicago

Tom Pazen::Acetate::Ken & Karl Meier::Kevin Martin
    Chicago                  Chicago                   Chicago
                             Chicago

Uptempo Dance::: 847-604-0579


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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 00:40:04 -0500 (CDT)
Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com


DJ SNUGGLES & DJ SLAK "Silk Cut 3:  The Next Level"  60 min. /
professionally duplicated with color j-card

includes tracks by:
ED RUSH
BLAME
DILLINJA
NEIL TRIX
NOOKIE
RONI SIZE
DOC SCOTT
PHOTEK
ALEX REECE
PFM
JUSTICE
...and others

A very limited number of copies will be made (500) and available at a
specialty shop or rave vendor near you.  If you cannot find it, you can
mail order it by sending $10 cash or money order to:

Michael Shum
7701 N. Sheridan, #1-I
Chicago, IL  60626

Thanks for your time.


-- 
E-Mail:	mshum@nwu.edu
URL   :	http://www.psych.nwu.edu/folks/shum



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Subject: IO3

well folks its me mikeyd and i will be at IO3 with gage and tom and prolly
someonelse ?????  in case you dont know me....i be the tall boy (6-3) with
a labret piercing and glasses i usually wear a freebass collective, DARE,
or team jesus shirt you really cant miss me hehehe ;) 

well anyways hope to see you all there  
*hug*
mikeyd (two more days to be IL resident)




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hullo all mw junglist...

i'm in the process of revamping my homepage as one, a homepage for the 
milwaukee jungle scene (which will grow come this year, just watch), two, 
anopther node in the web of junglist links, and three, as a board to put 
up midwest jungle events, a sort of midwest jungle calendar, as it were.  

what i need or ask is that jungle promoters and dj's and everyone inthe 
scene who can help out, please sned me the information, via email, for 
event in the mw that are coming up with a strong representation of drum 
and bass.  i hope to also add a mw jungle dj list/profile section, so if 
that applies to you, or you are a promotion crew dealing with primarily 
the jungle bizzness, get word to me and i'll sort you out.  

other than that, if anyone takes a look at the page and has any bright 
ideas on how to add to it all, please tell me. it's still very much under 
construction and not much to look at but it's getting htere.

cheers,
dylan

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| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            |
| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            |
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On Sun, 11 Aug 1996 page@simon.wustl.edu wrote:

> sorry, the majordomo command "who mw-raves" isn't working, so I
> have to waste everyone's time...

I'm responsible for that, I guess, since I haven't changed it. The reason 
it's not allowed is to keep lame spammers from getting EVERYBODY's email 
addresses and sending you all personal junkmail. I don't think anybody 
wants that. So, sorry about the inconvenience, hopefully it'll be ironed 
out in the next release of Majordomo.

-jeff

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Another system has been added and of course more DJ's

Total of 4 systems, 103 DJ / Live acts

French E / Tim

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Subject: Directions to Interstellar Outback 3.0

>From the north of Louisville (Detroit Chicago, Dayton, Cleveland, 
Cinci.ect.....)

Go to Louisville.....get on I-65 South

Take Exit 125 for Route 841 Gene Snyder West

9 miles later
Take a left on 31W / 60 towards Fort Knox
(Follow the Sign for Outter Creek Park)

12 miles later
Take a right on Route 1638

2.8 miles later
Turn right on Darnall Street (do NOT take the Outter Creek park entrance which 
is before Darnall)

The gate is at the end of Darnall Street

*******************************************
>From South of Louisville (NAshville, Knowville, Atlanta, Florida.......)

Take I-65 North

Take Exit for Route 841/ Gene Snyder West

9 miles later
Take a left on 31W / 60 towards Fort Knox
(Follow the Sign for Outter Creek Park)

12 miles later
Take a right on Route 1638

2.8 miles later
Turn right on Darnall Street (do NOT take the Outter Creek park entrance which 
is before Darnall)

The gate is at the end of Darnall Street

**********************************************

The gate open at NOON August 16th.
(bring everything you may need for this long fun weekend, including flash 
lights, bicycle, swimm trunks...)

Outter Creek Park is 40-45 minutes from downtown Louisville.
And remember what JJ wrote on the color Flier.


French / Tim  

Ps : please foward to other people / list / voice mail


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Hey there MW raves, my apologies for posting this to your list,
but I'm trying to track down the author of this piece that made
its way to my mailbox via texas raves.  So, Didier Bangudi, if
you're out there, could you drop me note?

Thanks, and peace from the "third coast massive"

Jeff :: Jetboy
matrix.crew.houston


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>I show up at around 11:45 and the place is surrounded with people and
>cop cars.  I find it's been busted, I wonder why the promoters didn't get
>permits, then I go home.  Goodbye ten dollars.
>
>Alex
The permit in question was a dance hall permit.  Nathan was arrested, fined
$150 and promised by the officers that he would have been shut down
regardless so it was kind of inevitable. Shoulda checked out the after
party; Diz was phaaattt...



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Well, I will be unsubbscribed for awhile too, going on vacation w/ no 
email access.  Most of you don't know me, but I will be losing this email 
account soon, so if you want to write to me at:
tkoogler@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu
any personal mail and stuff, that would be good.

Hope to be dancin soon.

Later.

                
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<:    Alias:  Tracy Koogler
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whats the addy for the massive mag page? i knew it was somewhere in
superfreak.
thanx.
ink.

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Hey, I was wondering if any of the folks involved with IO3 (Tim? French E?)
could list a few landmarks that could be used by people as a good
convenient place to meet up and find each other.  I'm sure other people are
in the same boat as me, we're trying to meet up with people there, but it's
hard to say "meet me at 10 at _______" when we don't know for sure what the
layout's gonna be.  Hm, I seem to remember a post saying something about a
pool and a general store, I dunno if those would be convenient or not,
but... if anyone who knows the setup could suggest a few good places that
are easy to find (centrally located would be rad) and conducive to meeting
people (ie: not right next to a speaker), I'm sure there's lotsa people on
the list who'd appreciate it very much.  :)

Thanx much!!  =)

(So what's the scoop, y'all?  I haven't seen anything about a net.meet.  ??
Maybe we should wait for word on where a convenient place to meet would
be, but I think if we wanna have one, we oughtta figure out something soon,
'cuz time's runnin out!  Don't look at me to call any shots as to what time
or place, though... you know linear time perception is a problem for me,
and I'll probably miss it anyhow unless we can go by the position of the
sun or stars, hehe...)

       :),

      Randy
       a d
        n
       a d
      Randy

Rainbow Freq!
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okay...

so, im from minneapolis...maybe im used to the smiles and hugs and such of
the minneapolis area...the rather small, but mostly intimate, scene of
minneapolis...as opposed to the massive size of chicago (in
comparison)...but the bad vibes, arrogance, attitude, and all around
shitiness of the ppl i came in contact with in chicago was utterly
patheitc...im not saying that EVERYone in chicago is that way...im not even
saying MOST of chicago is that way...cuz i dont know...only been there
twice...but both times it was the same thing...90% of the kids i came in
contact with had humungous attitudes...and half of the other 10% werent even
from chicago...so go figure...

but anyhoo...

8.5 hours of driving and we finally arrive at the space...a really nice one
compared to most of minneapolis' dusty old warehouses (tho i kinda like
warehouses)...the main room was sunk in...big...air conditioned...lovely...

MUSIK...
house and acid/house for the duration of the event...good shtuff tho...

        DAJAE...she sucks live, in my opinion...shoulda saved the grand (or
whatever her unearthly bookinbg fee is) and got a coupla DJs with it...

        LOUIE VEGA...he tore shit up, but unfortunately the sound was rather
crummy at the start of the party...but the sound quality improved as the
night went on...

        PAUL JOHNSON...hes the man!...he tore it up!...nice ass shiT!...but
what else, right?...
        
        FEELGOOD...made me feel great...thats all i can say... :)

        DERRICK CARTER...spun more acid tinged shtuff that were accustomed
to hearing from him (or at least that im accustomed to hearing from
him)...it was nice!...a lovely off shoot from the house domination beforehand...

        TERRY MULLAN...phuked it up, as always...excessively nice shit from
him this night...tho i missed some of his set...

        there were a coupla other DJs that i heard, but dont know which was
which...so i wont try and figure it out...but they knew what was up as well...

the musik phukkin rawked, sept fer Dajae...couldnt have been better for my
mood and for the styles...

        LIGHTS
        well...in minneapolis, were not too used to good lights and light
shows (im not referring to lasers and such)...but the lights at this party
were bomb ass shit...one person posted a review saying how they werent all
that and strobes arent needed...but during Feelgood and Derrick, it couldnt
have fit and flowed any better with anything else...i thought the lights
were phukkin rad as all hell!!...

        prolly the biggest drawbacks of 'love revolution' was the
drive...but we couldnt (nor could anyone else) help how far minneapolis was
placed from chicago... :)
        the security...they were phukkin assholes...ego trippers, im telling
ya...totally thought their shit didnt stink...to bad thier attitudes reeked
to high heaven...
        and the complete lack of vibe...there was certainly no good
vibe...but no bad vibe as well...a vibeless party...and it was called 'love
revolution'...*shrug*...i dunno...you tell me...

        other than those bad points (and peoples lack of tact and respect
for their fellow ravers), the party rawked the house!...course, i was also
down their with four of the kewlest kids from minneapolis, so i spose that
helped...

hopeully next time will be better...or at least the attitudes will have
improved...

*hugs*

JOSH!
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>whats the addy for the massive mag page? i knew it was somewhere in
>superfreak.
>thanx.
>ink.

dont kwote me on this...but ibelieve its...

        www.superfreak.com/massive/

either that or...

        www.superfreak.com/~massive/

one of the 2 im pretty sure...

*hugs*

JOSH!

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Well we should probably plan a netmeet if not a net.camp (hey, y'all 
wanna set up our tents together? Or would that work, since they're 
individual campgrounds?)... but like Hion noted we don't know any of the 
landmarks yet. The Dynamicgroove tent? Well in any case I'll be wearing 
my badge from Furthur (amongst other things), so if you see me stop and 
say hi, chances are at least one of us will know what's going on 
regarding netraver stuff...

BRING YER WATERGUNS! There was a little mini-showdown amongst netravesr 
in Lexington after Forever, can we make this the main event? 

just ideas, support or shoot down...

...jeff

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***Jeff sed:

I forgot to add this: wouldn't the promoter be more worried about 
getting busted for drugs than having an underage kid there?  They're 
all over the place (the drugs), plus, the promoter can't control who 
goes in, he wouldn't be held liable.  If anything, the guards that 
search people would be in trouble, its them that let the kid in.  Also, 
if there really was a problem, she'd just get kicked out.  They 
wouldn't shut the rave down.  And because the flyers never give an age 
restriction, it therefore means that its an all ages thing.  Unless 
they actually say "must be 17 or older" like for Kinetic, it doesn't 
matter how old you are (well, you probably shouldn't bring a baby in).  
I'm not trying to get all pissy with anyone, just giving my opinion.  
But I can see where the original poster would be concerned.

  HION says as usual:
  you're high, right?  :)
#1      Promoters arent liable?  Please..they are the definition of
liability.  See, they have to sign papers saying that its their
responsinbility to who and what goes on in there.
#2      They wont shut it down 'cause of one person or incident?..apperantly
you havent been to any Chicago parties :(  I personally watched $20 go
bye-bye because of curfuew violations caused the party to shut down-remember
kidz, the athourities work for other people, not us, they can and will do
anything they damn well please.

Jeff, Im not getting down on you in particular, so please dont take it as
such, but I think this illustrates one of the reasons why we have problems
at parties-kidz dont realize that seemingly little, trivial stuff they do
can bust a party, then everyone looses.  we need to be more responsible.
Its up to us as indeviduals and no one else.  So, even if you see other
folks doin shit that aint cool, that dont give you the green light to act
like a 3 year old.  if you act responsible, others will catch on, its like
the smile principle that I keep talkin about-smile first, smile often, smile
at everybody.  Smile and it will catch on.  Well, enough of this rambling,
McGruff's got to eat, Thanx for listnin--Ruff!<-----HION          


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OKAY GUYS.. LISTEN UP!! *gathers ALL lists in a big huge huddle*

 As one of the co-organizers of the netmeet at IO2 LAST year, I've 
decided that, even though I may not be going this year.. (IF I show up on 
Sat, it's because Tim responds, if he doesn't respond to my email, then I 
don't go) ANYHOW, I've decided that I'm going to try to get you ALL 
ORGANIZED before you get there, okay???

 First of all, here's what Becca and I did LAST year.. WE made a couple 
signs, and set up a thing that we fondly called "Net Tent City" There are 
pictures of it on hyperreal. =) As many of you already know from last 
year, "Net Tent City" was where a majority of the netravers, from both 
vrave AND the mailing lists set up their tents, and camped together, and 
spent the weekend getting to know one another, when not dancing.. I made 
a LOT of really great friends, and got to know a LOt of people better 
this way... It really made the whole IO2 experience a TON better for all 
netravers involved.. WE even had a grill-out.picnic hosted by stevenj, in 
which most of us got together and ate vegan yummies made and shread by 
him.. (I STILL say thanks, THAT ROCKED!!!) And if you were a netraver, 
but weren't camped out with us, it was very obvious where the central 
location was for netravers to meet...

 What I am proposing is this:

 I want to have some people who are CARAVANNING to the aprty together, or 
who know or have a few netravers in cars together to EMAIL ME PRIVATELY, 
so that maybe you all can make a couple signs, and some stakes, so that 
it's possible for everyone to do what we did last year again, so that 
EVERYONE can meet EVERYONE from ALL OVER, not just from your scene... =)

 How's that sound??? =)

 Becca and I also made personalized nametags for everyone that were 
really cute last year, but since Becca can't go, and I dunno if I'm 
making it there or not yet (sat is the ony day i could go, and only for 
the day, but i can't afford the price since I'm moving out and getting 
married in the span of 2 months, in addition to driving b myself, it may 
not happen), if someone wants to take THAt responsibility on, let me know 
as well, and maybe we can put together a list of everyone from the net 
who we know is going.. we didn't charge anyhting for them last year, and 
they were relatively inexpensive to make, BUT it was a LOT of work.. We 
ended up making about 100-125 badges total... But well worth every second 
of the time! (I still ahve mine) ;)

ANYHOW, let me know, okay???

-Becky =)

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oktober tenth nineteen hundred and ninety six

coming to a multiroom ghetto warehouse here in minneapolis minnesota usa earth

chernobyl farms presnts ---

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with deejays

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FREE House Party  including Dance Room and 3 Chill rooms. 10:00-mourning DJs to be announced.  Take Regent St. towards stadium, turn uphill(away from stadium) onto Monroe St.  Take a left on Edgewood St. and then a right on West 
Lawn.  The address is 2235 West Lawn. Try to park a block away from the party, we don't want to attract attention.  Please no drugs or Booze in 
house.  Please don't smoke inside.  Thanx . Hope to see you there.
PLUR
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b e e g i n t r a n z m i s h u n =-=-=-=---===------ .  . ...

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sorry all but this grirrlie can't go to IO3

sorry to disappoint ppl.. but i really can't
make it at all.

:(



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okay everyone...

check it...

i suddenly got this weird itch...

you see...here in minneapolis, i know kwite a few ppl in the scene
right...and on occasion i have been know to spend a day before a party
writing up nametages for evereyone i know...now these are not your ordinary
'hi! my name is ---' nametages...these are hand drawn nametages...usually
with the colors red, bloo, and blakk...with kewl and original writing styles
and little piktures even sometimes...i try my best to use ppls niknames when
i do them, as well...its more personal kinda, i guess...anyhow...

i got this itch to offer these to yall in mwraves land...so heres the deal...

you private e.mail the following info...

        Oo. NAME (preferribly a nick name, if you have one...and it would be
helpful
                if other people were familiar with the nickname as well :P)
        Oo. SEX (just in case i cant tell by your name or nick name...it
helps in the
                creative process...as to not draw some boy thangs on a grrls
nametag and
                some grrl thangs on a boys nametage...tho i *AM* aware that
sometimes it                 really dont matter ;D)
        Oo. SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS (you know...where you get paper mail and
shtuff... :P)
        Oo. ANY OTHER USEFUL INFO (like, yer fave color, fave cartoon, fave
anything...
                things like that might also help aid in the creative process...)

you hook me up with that and ill hook ya up with a nametag...hand made by
yours truly...

the conditions of the agreemment are as follows... ;)

        Oo. you *HAVE* to keep the nametag...now i realize that with 99.9%
of you, this                 isnt something ill be able to call you on...its
an honor thing...just 
                keep it...i doesnt matter if you *DO* decide to sport it to
a party 
                sometime...but be sure to keep track of it...and when done
adorning the 
                nametag, retire it to a comfortable home in a picture album,
scrapbook, 
                or like memory collector :D...

thats it...thats the deal...the lowdown...all the dirt...on the neato frito
nametags made from some minnesota ravah bwoy... :D

just cuz i kinda likes ya and shtuff...and im feeling rather giving
lately...(an *NO* im not rolling or anything...im perfectly sober! ;P)...

*hugs*kisses*love*nametags*

JOSH!

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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, . joshua . decker . wrote:

> okay everyone...
> 
> check it...
> 
> i suddenly got this weird itch...
> 
> you see...here in minneapolis, i know kwite a few ppl in the scene
> right...and on occasion i have been know to spend a day before a party
> writing up nametages for evereyone i know...now these are not your ordinary
> 'hi! my name is ---' nametages...these are hand drawn nametages...usually
> with the colors red, bloo, and blakk...with kewl and original writing styles
> and little piktures even sometimes...i try my best to use ppls niknames when
> i do them, as well...its more personal kinda, i guess...anyhow...
> 
> i got this itch to offer these to yall in mwraves land...so heres the deal...
> 
> you private e.mail the following info...
> 
>         Oo. NAME (preferribly a nick name, if you have one...and it would be
> helpful
>                 if other people were familiar with the nickname as well :P)
>         Oo. SEX (just in case i cant tell by your name or nick name...it
> helps in the
>                 creative process...as to not draw some boy thangs on a grrls
> nametag and
>                 some grrl thangs on a boys nametage...tho i *AM* aware that
> sometimes it                 really dont matter ;D)
>         Oo. SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS (you know...where you get paper mail and
> shtuff... :P)
>         Oo. ANY OTHER USEFUL INFO (like, yer fave color, fave cartoon, fave
> anything...
>                 things like that might also help aid in the creative process...)
> 
> you hook me up with that and ill hook ya up with a nametag...hand made by
> yours truly...
> 
> the conditions of the agreemment are as follows... ;)
> 
>         Oo. you *HAVE* to keep the nametag...now i realize that with 99.9%
> of you, this                 isnt something ill be able to call you on...its
> an honor thing...just 
>                 keep it...i doesnt matter if you *DO* decide to sport it to
> a party 
>                 sometime...but be sure to keep track of it...and when done
> adorning the 
>                 nametag, retire it to a comfortable home in a picture album,
> scrapbook, 
>                 or like memory collector :D...
> 
> thats it...thats the deal...the lowdown...all the dirt...on the neato frito
> nametags made from some minnesota ravah bwoy... :D
> 
> just cuz i kinda likes ya and shtuff...and im feeling rather giving
> lately...(an *NO* im not rolling or anything...im perfectly sober! ;P)...
> 
> *hugs*kisses*love*nametags*
> 
> JOSH!
> 
>         _________________________ 
>        /___   ______/  ______/  /\  http://members.tripod.com/~pimpskrimp/
>        \  /  /     /____    /  /  \
>      ___\/  /  /  /    /   /  /__  \*hugs*         *kisses*         *love*
>     /   /  /  /  /    /   /      |\/
>    /   /  /     /    /   /   /  /__\_______jdecker@winternet.com__________
>    \_____/_____/________/___/____________________________________________/
>     \    \     \        \   \                                           /
>      \    \     \        \   \                                         /
>       \____\_____\________\___\_______________________________________/
> 
> 
i think that when i have the time and
money... i'll laminate mine!  ;)



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I am reposting the direction, because I think my computer fucked up..so here 
are the directions again in case they did not show up.......

>From the north of Louisville (Detroit Chicago, Dayton, Cleveland, 
Cinci.ect.....)

Go to Louisville.....get on I-65 South

Take Exit 125 for Route 841 Gene Snyder West

9 miles later
Take a left on 31W / 60 towards Fort Knox
(Follow the Sign for Otter Creek Park)

12 miles later
Take a right on Route 1638

2.8 miles later
Turn right on Darnall Street (do NOT take the Otter Creek park entrance which 
is before Darnall)

The gate is at the end of Darnall Street

*******************************************
>From South of Louisville (Nashville, Knowville, Atlanta, Florida.......)

Take I-65 North

Take Exit for Route 841/ Gene Snyder West

9 miles later
Take a left on 31W / 60 towards Fort Knox
(Follow the Sign for Otter Creek Park)

12 miles later
Take a right on Route 1638

2.8 miles later
Turn right on Darnall Street (do NOT take the Otter Creek park entrance which 
is before Darnall)

The gate is at the end of Darnall Street

**********************************************

The gate open at NOON August 16th.
(bring everything you may need for this long fun weekend, including flash 
lights, bicycle, swimm trunks...)

Outter Creek Park is 40-45 minutes from downtown Louisville.
And remember what JJ wrote on the color Flier.


French E / Tim  

Ps : please foward to other people / list / voice mail



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Just a quicky review here!

arrived around 12 and people were hangin out all over the place, some 
goon came rollin in with some crappy rap/latino stuff sloppin out of 
his low-ass BLAZER,,,yuk:(  

walked around and talkeed to the strangest fellow from Poland...he 
sayied he did like 37 hits of acid thursday night!  He couldnt 
communicate how much he had done before the party...really strange guy!

Met some great kids outside!  for some reason people dog chicago's vibe 
but Everyone I walked up outside was really friendly, I was givin some 
juice and smoked a few cigs with a great car load of people...we 
proceded to party in side!

Space was good, nice and huge and the dance floor was real smooth so ya 
could slide allover the place...met some old friends after the first dj 
and passed out lots of hugs!  DOnt leave glowstix in the car on hot 
days they dont work worth a crap after that!!!

mike dearborne was great seemed like he took his time and thought 
through it !  nice...had to go after that set, had too many parties to 
hit on sat and sunday!!!

love to that crazy star warz kid...r2d2 rocks!!

-jason


 

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From: eddie@rci.ripco.com (Pootgirl)
Subject: SUPERNOVA aug. 30 CHICAGO
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Chicago Friday August 30th

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-----------------------
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other djs of the night:
-----------------------

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3 turntable set

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...but the bad vibes, arrogance, attitude, and all around
> shitiness of the ppl i came in contact with in chicago was utterly
> patheitc...im not saying that EVERYone in chicago is that way...im not even
> saying MOST of chicago is that way...cuz i dont know...only been there
> twice...but both times it was the same thing...90% of the kids i came in
> contact with had humungous attitudes...and half of the other 10% werent even
> from chicago...so go figure...

I had the exact same experience in Chicago last year when we went to 
Submerge.  Totally vibeless, everyone seems to be ego trippin...by the 
end of the party, the peeeps from minneapolis had kinda sectioned off 
our own little area.  It really wasn't what i expected.  But the music 
is always good tho. Peace bro.

	andy
	s.a.c.

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From: "Davis J. Bassan B.S." <frenche@iglou.com>
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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 osiris7@cris.com wrote:

> Hey, I was wondering if any of the folks involved with IO3 (Tim? French E?)
> could list a few landmarks that could be used by people as a good
> convenient place to meet up and find each other.  I'm sure other people are
> in the same boat as me, we're trying to meet up with people there, but it's
> hard to say "meet me at 10 at _______" when we don't know for sure what the
> layout's gonna be.  Hm, I seem to remember a post saying something about a
> pool and a general store, I dunno if those would be convenient or not,
> but... if anyone who knows the setup could suggest a few good places that
> are easy to find (centrally located would be rad) and conducive to meeting
> people (ie: not right next to a speaker), I'm sure there's lotsa people on
> the list who'd appreciate it very much.  :)
> 
Well, the space is fucking huge (3000 acres) so random meets are going to
be difficult.  However, Frenche has suggested the sound board at the main
stage at 6 pm. friday and sat nights.  Hope to see everyone there.  That
should be late enough so that everyone is awake but still ready for
meeting.

later,

tim



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alright, my friends were buggin me to go somewhere even though i didn't, so
we grabbed the kids and headed to columbus...

i didn't even know about this party to begin with, but when i did, the fact thatkids from dayton were throwing a party in columbus didn't make me too keen on
going either...

when i found out the lineup and the price, i thought something was even more
fishy than before, but nonetheless, here's how it went...

we got to the space at 11:30 to meet a guy who gave us directions to a new 
space..the old one was lost that night.....

they didn't get everything set up until 1am.....the space was actually very
nice...if not wonderful...a/c, plent of space w/ chairs on the surrounding walls (upstairs and downstairs)....

anyway, the sound blew but what do you expect...that party was $5 so there were
about 4 roboscans that did the job...this weird thingee on the floor and a
slide projector showing slides of a space shuttle presentation....the people
at the door were extremely friendly and gave us a deal even with the cheap
price cuz we came from cleveland and didn't have much money...

upstairs was Daemon from San Diego who played for over two hours.....i was 
dissapointed...most of his rekkids i thought were pretty boring, house with
a west coast flavor that wasn't funk-filled like i hoped it would be....i opted
to watch Melloman downstairs playin some deep groovy house with a little booty
thrown in for spice (my favorite being the "feel my mothafuckin fist in ya face
" track).....always entertaining to watch, he always has a great time playing...later on someone threw on some hip hop and left in a rage in the middle of his
set because of the lack of light at the decks...he couldsn't see...then upstairsMindrive from Madison played a trance/acid set before the party ended around
6am....

i didn't have that great of a time...not a very good crowd (much drugz and dealers) and not that great of music for the most part....but it was ok..especially for $5

--jeff/stuff (that guy)

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Thank you to all who came, The party went really well, Though I do wish more
of our local would have come instead of going to Chicago, but hey oh well. 

The low down...

E-309: Started out the evening, nic'n hard like we like it here, drop'n the
acid beats for two hours.

Lowsh: Went on next at 12am, That boy can SPIN!!!! FUK"N hard too. He did a
really good split set between him and Abstrak. They shared a four hour slot
doing 1 hour trade offs. The faster he threw it down the more they fuk'n
luved it.

Abstrak: Doing his ussual minimal sets, start'n it out fast smooth'n easy
gave the crowd a break for a short time, and then worked them back into a
frenzy. This boy can drop the beats right on the head of a pin.

All was way groove that evening with a really nice group of people.

BIG HUGE LARGE  P H A T  Props to:

Justin at crt.net : for all his help, the show wouldn't have gone over very
well without his assistance.
Trent: Just for bein' fuk'n kewl.
Jammie: For always com'n through when the jams hit.

And to every one who made it possible. Stay tooned for a halloween event,
and much more Hard Core to come. :)

@>-->----
Souix...
Eclectic Prod. E.L.


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Thank you to all who came, The party went really well, Though I do wish more
of our local would have come instead of going to Chicago, but hey oh well. 

The low down...

E-309: Started out the evening, nic'n hard like we like it here, drop'n the
acid beats for two hours.

Lowsh: Went on next at 12am, That boy can SPIN!!!! FUK"N hard too. He did a
really good split set between him and Abstrak. They shared a four hour slot
doing 1 hour trade offs. The faster he threw it down the more they fuk'n
luved it.

Abstrak: Doing his ussual minimal sets, start'n it out fast smooth'n easy
gave the crowd a break for a short time, and then worked them back into a
frenzy. This boy can drop the beats right on the head of a pin.

All was way groove that evening with a really nice group of people.

BIG HUGE LARGE  P H A T  Props to:

Justin at crt.net : for all his help, the show wouldn't have gone over very
well without his assistance.
Trent: Just for bein' fuk'n kewl.
Jammie: For always com'n through when the jams hit.

And to every one who made it possible. Stay tooned for a halloween event,
and much more Hard Core to come. :)

@>-->----
Souix...
Eclectic Prod. E.L.


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Daeman was the bomb!!  his music was very
intelligent,..layered,...flowing,,.
sure, he didn't play any of that "ghetto booty house",..with distorted
levels..
no,.
that ain't his style
he's been doing this for a long time on the west coast,...& it shows

antares
evolveNOW
evolution


> alright, my friends were buggin me to go somewhere even though i didn't, so
> we grabbed the kids and headed to columbus...
> 
> i didn't even know about this party to begin with, but when i did, the fact thatkids from dayton were throwing a party in columbus didn't make me too keen on
> going either...
> 
> when i found out the lineup and the price, i thought something was even more
> fishy than before, but nonetheless, here's how it went...
> 
> we got to the space at 11:30 to meet a guy who gave us directions to a new 
> space..the old one was lost that night.....
> 
> they didn't get everything set up until 1am.....the space was actually very
> nice...if not wonderful...a/c, plent of space w/ chairs on the surrounding walls (upstairs and downstairs)....
> 
> anyway, the sound blew but what do you expect...that party was $5 so there were
> about 4 roboscans that did the job...this weird thingee on the floor and a
> slide projector showing slides of a space shuttle presentation....the people
> at the door were extremely friendly and gave us a deal even with the cheap
> price cuz we came from cleveland and didn't have much money...
> 
> upstairs was Daemon from San Diego who played for over two hours.....i was 
> dissapointed...most of his rekkids i thought were pretty boring, house with
> a west coast flavor that wasn't funk-filled like i hoped it would be....i opted
> to watch Melloman downstairs playin some deep groovy house with a little booty
> thrown in for spice (my favorite being the "feel my mothafuckin fist in ya face
> " track).....always entertaining to watch, he always has a great time playing...later on someone threw on some hip hop and left in a rage in the middle of his
> set because of the lack of light at the decks...he couldsn't see...then upstairsMindrive from Madison played a trance/acid set before the party ended around
> 6am....
> 
> i didn't have that great of a time...not a very good crowd (much drugz and dealers) and not that great of music for the most part....but it was ok..especially for $5
> 
> --jeff/stuff (that guy)
> 


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From: fj480@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff S. Stern)
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well this past sunday ele mental and collective intelligence teamed up to throw
a free party sunday in gadale park in Columbus...

why more people don't show up to these kinds of things is beyond me (perhaps that many 614 party goers were in chicagho saturday?)...

anyway, things were running late and the music started around 6:30....powerhousestarted with a hard house set with some electro thrown in for good measure...early on, the radio was interfering with the sound coming out of the amp (this may
be due to the fact that a home consumer amp was being used), but we couldn't
seem to figure out what was causing the disturbance...this caused some of the
earlier dj's to have problems hearing their rekkids through the headphones, i 
presume, and when there were minimal tracks on (which you should expect at ele
mental events) the radio and static could be heard...it actually sounded 
pleasing in a strange way, but i digress :)    i believe lunar (ed luna) was on
next, doing this neat thing with a droning noize and messing with pitch control
on it...very nice :)   one nice thing i always find about ed is that he always
likes to have some sort of odd introduction instead of jsut throwing on a 
record to start the set...by this i mean putting on something other than a
song.....anyway, tony tagged with him for a couple of tracks and seemed to be 
having some troubles (i heard it was his first time out, so understandable), butgets an 'a' for effort :)   next up was someone who's name escapes me, not to
mention that i forgot what he played...sorry whomever that was....after him was
tim (don't know his dj name cuz i didn't even know he spun) who played some
minimal-ish acid and closed out with "spastik".....after him was some crappy
dj from cleveland named Stuff who refuses to review himself :)   ...next up
was the first ever debut of  muratta da scratcha (or something like that)...who
played a very good set of mostly hardstep jungle...excellent rekkids, i don't
know why he waited this long to step into the spotlight...good stuff...after
him, sammie and someone who's name i don't know tag teamed some straight up
house....why sammie doesn't play out more i don't understand, the same goes for
the guy with him...good clean fun house :)   i left as the last guy was going
on, but he played my favoite track off Celtic Cross right wheni got in the car
so i give two thumbs up anyway :).....

all in all a very good, very *free* time was had by all....this is what it is
all about:  getting together, no bullshit, no egos, no other motives other than
playing some music and dancing....about 30-40 people showed up...what is wrong
with this picture?    think about it....

--jeff/stuff (that guy)

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i'm not too sure what you mean by stating that booty house contains "distorted
levels", or what your point was for bringing up the fact that Daemon did not
play this type of music....i thought i made that clear.....i am, however, 
allowed to be unimpressed with a particular dj....notice how i did this without
cutting on something or someone else?

peace....

--jeff/stuff (that guy)

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I was just wondering if someone could mail me back the post I sent out 
yesterday.. about the ride...  I need a copy of it.. ;) thanx..

				Mike


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hello.. I was jsut wondering if there was someone that got my post frmo 
yesterday that would be able to forward it back to me... I need a copy of 
it.. ;) thanks...

				Mike


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I was just wondering if someone could mail me back the post I sent out
yesterday.. about the ride...  I need a copy of it.. ;) thanx..

				Mike


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>CLARKEE
>#1 techno dj in Europe

#1 techno dj in UK, maybe, but not Europe !

bye
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Hi all!  Let's all meet at my VJ station Saturday night, how about 2am?  I'll   
either be in room 1 or room 3 (space layout and DJ lineup to be distributed     
with the calender on wednesday or at the party).  You'll know my station        
because it will be where all the really cool visuals are coming from - the      
visuals that move to the music and look sort of like fractals.                  

I have a shaved head, but I'm not sure what I'll be wearing yet since the theme 
is Pajamas and I dont have any - I'll be wearing black bike short type          
underwear (goes just above the knees) but who knows what else.  I can't wait    
to see all the goodies the ladies will be wearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!             

Please let me know who's cumming (ooops, ha ha), I'll have blowpops and maybee  
some other goodies!!!                                                           

Peace!                                                                          
INTERNET:  USFMD3PV@IBMMAIL.COM                                                 

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Hi there....

The company that I work for, Computer Currents, is hastily looking for a
DB architect for a short term (two to three week) contract. Basically, we
need someone who can take an existing database and plug it into access95.

We need someone extremely quickly, so please feel free to forward this to
anyone who might be interested. Please contact Kate (ks@compcurr.com) or
Garth (vedikgar@compcurr.com) 

Thank you......

Mark

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i am goin th chicago this weekend and wonder if anybody knows of any kewl clubs 
 downtown. i know of the shelter, but haven't been there in a year or so. also  
would like to know of any good record stores and places to shop/hang out.       

thanks in advance                                                               


chillllll                                                                       

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Subject: Free party: Madison WI   Mon. Aug.12

Free house party in Madison, WI on monday aug 12.
10pm and on.
DJ's to be anounced
Take Regent St. Towards Stadium, Turn up hill onto Monroe St. Take Right
onto Edgewood St. and a left on West Lawn.  2235 West Lawn Ave. Please try
to park a little ways away from the house to not arouse 
suspicion. This will be a drug and alcohol free event.
Hope to see you there.No smoking in house please.
PLUR
                               




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On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 thomasra@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:

>  As one of the co-organizers of the netmeet at IO2 LAST year, I've 
> decided that, even though I may not be going this year.. (IF I show up on 
> Sat, it's because Tim responds, if he doesn't respond to my email, then I 
> don't go) ANYHOW, I've decided that I'm going to try to get you ALL 
> ORGANIZED before you get there, okay???

Becky, you rock. :)

>  I want to have some people who are CARAVANNING to the aprty together, or 
> who know or have a few netravers in cars together to EMAIL ME PRIVATELY, 
> so that maybe you all can make a couple signs, and some stakes, so that 
> it's possible for everyone to do what we did last year again, so that 
> EVERYONE can meet EVERYONE from ALL OVER, not just from your scene... =)

Ok, Tom, MikeyD and I, and possibly some others (if anybody *needs* a 
ride from Central IL mail me and we'll see what we can do) will be going 
down there together, I'll bring a couple signs, and I'll look for some of 
those "Hello! My name is..." tags (will somebody PLEASE bring some in 
case I can't find some or run out?) and markers and my squirtgun...

Plus like I said I'll be wearing my Furthur badge...

Is anybody planning on being there right from the start? I'm thinking I'm 
gonna get there middle-late afternoon. Or perhaps we could kiss some ass 
and persuade that nice by Tim to slap a sign down somewhere so we have 
space for Netraver City?

Look for me, I'll look for you, hopefully we can all hook up.

And I would bring good vegan food to share, but at the moment I'm so 
rediculously poor that nametags+gas will probably put me into debt. But 
if anybody else wants to take inititave on that part, I and many other 
hungry ravers would be MOST appreciative. :)

-jeff

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Subject: i'm 5000 for a bit

Hey, i'm in the hectic process of moving and won't be able to do email for
at least 2 days, maybe more.  I'm not unsubbing but please don't send me
anything private during that time.  Thanks.

Everybody have fun at IO3.  I won't be there because, well i just won't.
Too much party for me, i can't take much more than one night a week tops.
Besides, i can't deal with living in a tent ;~)

                                                                            
    Peace,
                                                                            
            Marc

                                                                            
            



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I know this isn't list-related, but there's a lot of computer ppl here, so
if it lands somebody a job, power to them!

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Jeff Gage                                            gage@hyperreal.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:47:59 -0400
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From: aholland@gmx1.com (Anthony Holland)
Subject: S.I.N. Music Weekly Job Opening

The S.I.N. Music Weekly, the music industry's leading weekly trade
publication covering music breaking from the streets, is looking for a new
member to join its team. This is a full-time position involving all aspects
of the publication: editorial and ad production, client relations, issue
planning, distribution, subscriptions and website design.  We are seeking a
highly motivated self-starter with an exacting attention to detail, an
immense passion for music and an entrepreneurial spirit. Candidate must be
creative and possess strong writing and interpersonal skills. Ability to
work in a high pressure environment with tight deadlines is a must.

The following skills are required:

Experience on high-end Macintosh systems in a pre-press/publication
environment.  Must be expert in Quark XPress 3.0+, PhotoShop 3.0+, FreeHand
5.5 or Illustrator 5.5+.  Must possess strong skills in pre-press design
and printing process.  HTML and web page design skills are a definite plus.

...Ready to eat, sleep and drink music?

Then forward your resume and cover letter to: Anthony Holland, S.I.N. Music
Weekly, 1674 Broadway, Suite 7C, New York, NY. Fax: (212) 956-2632, email:
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug 13 16:50:13 1996
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I don't suppose anyone knows of a place where I can buy a used 
turntable (I know where to find new ones, I just don't have a lot of 
money) in the Chicagoland area?  Thanks.

            Jeff W

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug 13 19:03:02 1996
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From: fj480@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff S. Stern)
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"part of ghetto house is distorted levels"

distorted levels of what?  is there something wrong with me?  well, from my
other posts you can probably tell that there is, but i am jsut not following what you are saying....would you care to explain further?  any other booty house
fans out there?  i know you are there!  speak!

as for Daemon, the last thing i will say is that i didn't find much of what he
was playing to be "intelligent and layered."  i found it to be more melodic, yes, but the melodys would just drone on and on and not change much...one thing
i will say is that it did "flow," but that is not all there is, ya know?  most
of those beats were still 4 to the floor...when i think intelligent and layered, i think of someone like Scott Henry or David Hollands, where things are 
constantly changing and you don't know the whole record after hearing 15 seconds of it...i dunno..whatever...but i will still give him another listen at io3... no one isn't worth a second chance...

--jeff/stuff (that guy)

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realizing i didn't have to work today while i was on my way there, and having
no cash, i came home and flipped on the tiube to the ole mtv.....and here's whati found....

they were doing a live broadcast of a Choose or Lose sponsored 311 show, which
i thought was cool to see them finally getting exposure, but anyway..i digress
one of the vj's who was covering it said this: "it's such a gorgeous day and gorgeous guys are playing and this is just a gorgeous event (no really), but i
have jsut one thing to say, which is that there's a lot of big pants here...what is it with the big pants?  i don't get it."   

i found this to be quite humorous...very funny, actually...

also, the bleepers were way off on the four letter words and many of them  were
broadcasted....which i found mildly pleasing...

next up was the Grind...ohhhh, how we all love the Grind....

what did i find to close out tthe show but Boris Dlugosch's "Keep Pushin'"...
not only was it played but *ttwo* copies were being played with one being
played two beats behind the other, to simulate an echo effect...a good idea
but i didn't like the way it sounded with this particular track...tw, 
"keep pushin" debuted at #46 on the Billboard dance charts last week...

just thought i'd share that lall with you..

peace...

--jeff/stuff (that guy)

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug 13 20:37:01 1996
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What a weekend three parties in three days!

Friday's zeigiest was good 

Love revolution was ok I met some good people, one was Tigger, does 
anyone know his email address? 

SHEEZ the stupid line to get in...they should have given a discount to 
those who put up with that shit!  Especially since somany missed so 
much of the party...but then again the show really didnt get ROLLIN 
till 3-4a...

Music lights sound sucked till round 3-4a, course that could have been 
from certain party favors!
Derrik Carter was great, spinning on three decks! then Feelgood did the 
same thing and then someone called D.Win just ripped up the place with 
hard trance, very good stuff...lights came on and then turned off again 
that sort of messed with any type of mood...

I really liked the guys dancing on the bins...that just rocked, I'm 
climbin up there next time...one of my friends went on stage and danced 
iwth glowstix he said it was cool to see the crowd lookin at him, all 
those people dancin below him, he thought it was extatic, wonder what 
it must feel like to spin the music and look up seeing the drooling 
crowd goin craZy !  makes ya want to dj!

Lets see went ot the afterhours but it wasnt started yet so ended up 
crshing till like 1p sun and then back down town to see MEAt Beat 
Manifesto and Alex Patterson at the metro...for only $12.50:)  thats 
the cheapest party in chicago since '94!

That was amazing!  met a great girl and heard some fantastic music..... 
DJ's were going at it when we came in , nice ambient stuff with good 
visuals...grabbed a beer and chilled till friends showed up...

Finally with friends to gether the concert started with an unknown 
band!  They played 4 trax and then left!  theose were the best songs I 
have heard since !Daft Punk! at FuthUr.  I think they were and old 
industrial band from chicago that hadnt done much for a few years, 
except practice:)  any ideas on this hard acid trance group?  they had 
a skull on either side of the main keyboard/percussionist  then two 
other synth/percussion guys on the each side amazing music...

Those guys had the place rollin, and then a dj spun and then came on 
meat beAt Manifesto, I didnt like them, too much actally drum sound, 
and it wasnt really dance, just like their older stuff, industrial:|

Then was Alex Patterson...what a dj!  great trax, music was so wild, I 
couldnt classify it...it was sort of acid jungle stuff, music that 
boarderlines all types of techo:D  so amaxing the whole place was 
dancing or trying to!  MY friends and I just smiled in joy at it all:0

go see this guy! he is great:)

had to go home since my brain had pretty much stopped working due to 
sleep deprivation...

either way a Fantasticly Fabulous weekend, thanks to all in  chicago 
.. and Mnpls like Deb, Dustin, Monica, and Andy,,,John my brother and 
my good friend Caleb who went to his first two parties this weekend:)
 and who could forget the Bloomington/Normal crew:)

Shwartz forever!
-jason




From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug 13 22:31:32 1996
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tigger will be leaving for his study abroad in England.  He leaves 
monday.  No email, but i will let you all know if he gets one...

laters

-shawn
misfit

ps... I'm down in West Lafayette now so all you cats I said I'd send 
tapes to, NOW I will send them...got it?  good...



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug 13 23:36:42 1996
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Ok...there are 22 (half an hour) slots available for any dj who whishes to 
spin.

First come, first to spin.

Please respect your time slot...30 minute is 30 minutes not more


French E / Tim


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On 13 Aug 96 at 22:19, Jeff S. Stern wrote:

> "keep pushin" debuted at #46 on the Billboard dance charts last week...


fuck.  this is the next "bomb" isn't it?


--star*  (keepin' pushin')
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 14 02:23:22 1996
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hello out to raverland...

issue #14 of massive magazine is now out and will be in full abundance 
at Interstellar Outback 3.

Interviews include:
Meat Beat Manifesto
John Acquaviva
Murk
Theorem
Jack Lucifer
Snuggles + Slak

as well as the regulars:
Rev. Rackme's ongoing noisecore/gabber column Nuts of Steel
Phil Free Art's Happy Hardcore and jungle reviews/ comments
Johnsin's Jungle Massive
Mark Verbos' Captain's Analog
Brian Karp's NYmassive
Oliver Way's London Underground
Dan Doormouse's Commentary

as well as the regular letters and TONS of reviews.


For this next issue, I am organizing an interview with the LIBERTARIAN  
Presidential or Vice-Presidential candidate.  I am torn as to which I 
would like to interview more, the case being:  The VP candidate, Jo 
Jourgenson, is a woman, a certfied "Gen X'er", and owns her own software 
company... all which is an ultracool injection into the bland arena of 
American politics...  On the other hand, presenting an interview with  
the Presidential candidate, Harry Browne, might have more of an impact 
on the average raver public, who, if most of us could subject a little 
more interest on the outside world, would realize that they're probably 
Libertarian and would vote as so.... just some open thought, and a 
morsel of things to come for Massive 15.

Everyone should check out the Libertarian website at:

http://www.lp.org/lp/

or email:  campaign@harrybrowne96.org

I swear this political party was tailor-made for ravers...


matt @ massive



...and now, back to the regularly scheduled glostick and piercings 
chatter...

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hello all mw ravers.

well the few ppl that i know have prob noticed i havnt been online much
lately. well that because my computer is on the fritz. and not working.
(&!^*#^(*$#^@($#@##^$@^#%^@%#$) so i am going to ussubscribe to this list.
so ill still be able to check my email at school. but im not able to read
the large amout of mail fromthis list(esp since i have been too busy to
read most of it the past few months unfotuantly.)

so if anyone needs to email me you can still get a hold of me at the same
email address.... c.matts@artic.edu

its been a fun ride. and i still want to go the the netraver party(s) so
ill be incontact with other ppl on the list.

christian
aka
 simple



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Friday, low of 65 high of 85 a few clouds
Saturday, low 65, high 86 and a few clouds
Sunday, Sunny

French E

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> "part of ghetto house is distorted levels"
> 
> distorted levels of what?  is there something wrong with me?  well, from my
> other posts you can probably tell that there is, but i am jsut not following what you are saying....would you care to explain further?  any other booty house
> fans out there?  i know you are there!  speak!

Plain and simple. ghetto house is the bomb. I am not going to get to deep 
into this subject *hehe* but i have been a fan of house musik for 3 years 
now and the ghetto nasty ass funk drives everyone nutz. the dj that even 
spun a couple ghetto tracks at the ride party in columbus (Melloman) is a 
personal friend of mine that i often go record shopping with.  And let me 
tell u that he is the most constitant house dj in cincinnati as well. but 
anyway, ghetto is not distorted it is the systems. 

-dj spooge

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From: woof@claire.org
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et/access?ac=3D119544958646&pg=3D//96/8/14/net=
14.html


 [Image]           Internet addict left her husband for a computer
                   By Robert Uhlig, Technology Correspondent

 ---------------
 External Links
                   * Why it's good to give in

                   THE Internet is as addictive as drugs, alcohol or
  [Image]Internet  gambling, with women and the unemployed most at risk, =
a
         Addiction new study claims.
      Disorder
                   Delegates at the annual meeting of the American
                   Psychological Association were told of a woman who =
chose
  [Image]American  to be divorced from her husband rather than be =
separated
         Psychologifrom her computer. Kimberly Young, a psychologist at =
the
      Society      University of Pittsburgh, said the woman "met new =
people
                   on the Internet and the conversations made her feel
                   attractive and interesting".
  [Image]Addiction
         links     Her husband gave her an ultimatum when she started to
                   spend up to 12 hours a day surfing the Internet and
                   stopped cooking, cleaning and playing golf with him.
  [Image]Webaholics"The husband finally said, 'It's either the computer =
or
                   me'. She chose the computer and divorced him," said =
Dr
                   Young, adding that her preliminary study supported =
the
 ---------------   idea that Internet addiction did exist, even though =
this
                   was not formally accepted.

                   By advertising on the Internet for avid Internet =
users,
                   Dr Young has studied 396 people she considers to be
                   psychologically dependent on it and compared them =
with
                   100 non-dependent users. Her judgments were based on
                   criteria normally used to assess addiction to =
chemicals
                   or gambling. Dependent users ranged in age from 14 to =
70
                   and spent an average of 38.5 hours a week on the
                   Internet, compared with an average of 4.9 hours for =
the
                   non-dependent group.

                   The study contradicts the common belief that the
                   Internet is primarily a male preoccupation, at least =
in
                   the case of those whose use has run out of control. =
Of
                   the 396 Internet addicts, 157 were men and 239 were
                   women. Dr Young said that dependent users were
                   particularly attracted to Internet "chat rooms" where
                   people could adopt new roles under assumed names,
                   enabling them to be obnoxious or sexy without
                   repercussions.

                   The subjects in the study showed most of the classic
                   symptoms of addictive behaviour, including:

                   * An unhealthy preoccupation with the Internet, even
                   thinking about it while off-line.
                   * A need to use the Internet for longer periods to
                   achieve satisfaction.
                   * An inability to control Internet use. Many users =
got
                   up in the middle of the night to satisfy their =
craving.
                   * A feeling of restlessness or irritability when =
trying
                   to cut down or stop their use.
                   * Use of the Internet to escape problems or to =
relieve
                   feelings of helplessness, guilt, anxiety or =
depression.
                   * Lying to their family or friends to hide the extent =
of
                   their Internet use.
                   * Risking the loss of or endangering significant
                   relationships because of the Internet.
                   * Excessive spending on Internet fees, in one case up =
to
                   =A31,000 per month.


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 14 13:46:57 1996
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hey everyone,

I changed my web page.  Now it has no graphics in it, so it will load
quick as heck and you'll all be able to see it exactly how it should be
seen.  Actually, its only temporarily like that until I can get home and
use photoshop to make some good images. it looks pretty good now though.
so take a look!

http://www,hamline.edu/~crege

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| crege@piper.hamline.edu       | and little lambs eat ivy.. a kid'll |
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|                               |     -Leland Plamer                  |  
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 14 14:12:40 1996
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From: i-nfinity-@juno.com (saVvy 'lil GirLie)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 04:04:58 EDT

Hiya kiddies,
I'm curious to know if anyone here in Cleveland has any room
to take me to Interstellar Outback.  I'll provide gas money 
of course.  Please respond personally.  I'm fiendin to go :)
Thank ya's,
Lydia

saVvy 'lil gIrLiE ...:::...:::...:::...:::...:::...:::...:::...:::...
Lydia of the Cross
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((   / LiQuidAnGeL@juno.com\  
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        ne-raves@world.std.com, pb-cle-raves@Hyperreal.com,
        MW-raves@Hyperreal.com
From: Ben Garland <bgarland@hom.net>
Subject: ALL NETRAVERS: If you are going to IO3...

NET RAVERS:

I am in the process of compiling a list of stuff to bring to IO3, cause I
know sometimes I forget important stuff if I am not reminded.  I'll post it
later.  Also if you are going please send me your name and I am going to
make a list of net people to find :)  Oh yeah someone tell me if this is a
bad idea, but i think maybe we should try to all cook together or
something, i dunno i don't see why we would need 30 separate campfires when
we could just put our resources together and share i think it would be
easier that way (or it could be worse)...give me input.

Massive LOVE and HUGS,
Benjamin
<bgarland@hom.net>


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|Signature of the moment:                                       |
|   "If I had a nickel for everytime my contact lenses bugged   |
|    the shit out of me, I would be a very rich man."           |
|   "If I had a hugs instead of nickels, I'd be much happier."  |
|	 						--me                         |
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From: Ben Garland <bgarland@hom.net>
Subject: Stuff to bring to IO3 =)

okay here is a quick list of stuff i thought some of you might need to
bring to IO3, in no particular order.  i know some of it is like "duh!" but
i am including it anyways :P  If anyone thinks of anything really important
that i left off, please post it back to the lists! :)


---------------------------------
PERSONAL ITEMS:
- 4+ changes of clothes (shoes, socks, shirts, shorts, pants, undies, hats,
etc.)

- swim suit (or if you prefer, just get nekkid) if it rains or if there are
swimming facilities

- tolietries (toothbrush, toothpaste, deodorant, medications, contact
lenses cleaner, feminine products, etc.)

- bath/shower supplies (soap, shampoo, conditioner, towels, and washcloths)

- sunglasses and sunscreen

- name tags

- protekshun (you know what i mean, don't be a fool)

- address/telephone book, pens, pencils, paper

- ear plugs

- mix tapes to give to me :)


---------------------------------
CAMPING ITEMS:
- tent

- sleeping bag, sheets, or blankets

- pillow

- air mattress or pad

- items for a campfire: cooking grill, pots, pans, matches, lighter

- utility knife

- flashlight, glow sticks, lantern

- bug spray

- food: chips, snacks, trail mixes, fresh fruit, cereal, granola bars, cookies

- nice snuggly attitude!


---------------------------------
MISCELLANEOUS:
- happy vibe

- good attitude

- responsiblity

- respect for each other and the environment



I hope that about covers the important stuff.  We only have 2 more days
people!  I want to see everyone in a good mood!  Remember to SMILE a lot,
be HAPPY, MEET new people--don't be shy or afraid to walk up to a total
stranger and give them a HUG and/or a KISS and meet them--be outgoing even
if you usually aren't.  Be POSITIVE.  Share your LOVE.  We are all in this
together.  It is up to US to make IO3 happen and make it memorable.  I want
to feel UNITED, like part of a great big FAMILY, TOGETHER.  Make it
happen!!!!

Love and hugs and kissy stuff,
Benjamin
<bgarland@hom.net>






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|Signature of the moment:                                       |
|   "If I had a nickel for everytime my contact lenses bugged   |
|    the shit out of me, I would be a very rich man."           |
|   "If I had a hugs instead of nickels, I'd be much happier."  |
|	 						--me                         |
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 14 14:24:49 1996
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From: Pope TROUT SOUP XXIII <s0176326@cc.ysu.edu>
Subject: Re: ALL NETRAVERS: If you are going to IO3...

At 11:54 AM 8/14/96 -0500, Ben Garland wrote:

>I am in the process of compiling a list of stuff to bring to IO3, cause I
>know sometimes I forget important stuff if I am not reminded.  I'll post it
>later.  Also if you are going please send me your name and I am going to
>make a list of net people to find :)  Oh yeah someone tell me if this is a
>bad idea, but i think maybe we should try to all cook together or
>something, i dunno i don't see why we would need 30 separate campfires when
>we could just put our resources together and share i think it would be
>easier that way (or it could be worse)...give me input.

last year there was .net.tent.city. which was cool.  i met alot of ppl
there.  i hope there is one this year as well!  i'll be there ...  easy to
spot with bright red santa claus hair and black glasses and i oughta pull
out my mwraves tag.  laters, trouty.

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          Trout Soup's home page of doom: http://cc.ysu.edu/~s0176326/
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 14 15:23:39 1996
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massive@mixcom.com (massive magazine) writes:

> ...and now, back to the regularly scheduled glostick and piercings 
>  chatter...
>  

*heh heh heh*
when's the last time this stuff happened?
*grins*

see y'all at IO3!!!  *woohoo*  =)
       ^^^
        just getting you used to ky english ... :P

peace love and hugz:)
:ben



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Reese...i seriously doubt it............he is booked for IO3.........
Got the airplane tickets under my eyes....

French E

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Sent: 	Wednesday, August 14, 1996 10:54 AM
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Subject: 	|NER| Friday, August 16, 1996

Chico's Groove Fridays @ Limelight is proud to present an all-star
linup:
Neil Landstrum
Christian Vogel
Three!
Frankie Bones
Resse
Gonzo
Scribbles
Ryan Morales
Slh-1
and many more. 

For more info / iLLUSiVE guest list info, please call 201.581.0875.
Thanx


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hello once again all.

a little update is in order.

im not sure how many of you out there in mwraves land have had the
opportunity [or took the opportunity] to check out : THE . MINNEAPOLIS .
!DEA . PROJECT : homepage [cuz im not an egotistical maniac who feels the
need for a counter :P].  but it *IS* up and runnin.  new things are added
almost on a daily basis, so if you have, check it out.  and if you have
failed to take a look thus far, you are hearby ordered to do so,
soldierz.  ;)

just so you know :

---eventually, the publication we are doing will appear there as well.

---were still looking for people [DJ types] to send us their mixtapes for
review.  mail can be sent to : THE . MINNEAPOLIS . !DEA . PROJECT : via
josh decker at 
	5800 73rd. ave. n. #112
	minneapolis, mn. 55429

---were also still looking for advertisers for our publication.  all
inquiries should be sent to, either, the central e.mail headquarters
[ideaproject@juno.com], chris ege [crege@piper.hamlnie.edu], or josh
decker [jdecker@winternet.com].  you can check out our rates and ad
information at our webpage.

thats all for now.

saty in touch,
stay informed,
stay real,
stay positive.

*peace*love*beautiful ideas*


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Subject: So what are you doing October 12, 1996?
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:50:06 -0400
From: phato@ix.netcom.com

Phato Productions Presents
URANUS
The Upstate New York Music Festival
October 12, 1996
Monticello, NY
9PM-8AM
315-63-PHATO

The planetary journey continues on Saturday October 12, 1996 at the =
illustrious Concord Resort Hotel nestled within the Catskill Mountains =
just 1 hour north of New York City.

For URANUS, the fifth in a series of planetary parties we have selected =
an unparalleled lineup of the best DJ's and producers in the galaxy.

The world renowned Concord Resort is one of New York State's Largest =
exhibition centers featuring over 170,000 square feet of raw space.  We =
will be converting this space into two MASSIVE dancing arenas complete =
with CLAY PACKY GOLDEN SCAN HPE series fixtures, J WOLF SOUND, and a =
huge ARGON laser sweeping overhead.

For those wishing to continue your journey, the excitement continues. =
After the party rooms are available.  The Concord resorts features =
indoor and outdoor swimming pools, saunas, steam  rooms, and a plethora =
of recreational facilities to suit your every need.  For reservations =
please contact the Concord after September 1, 1996 at 1-800-CONCORD and =
ask for the planetary group rate.

Preliminary List of Cosmonauts Confirmed to Launch (MORE TBA)

DJ Hell (Disko B,  Germany)
The infamous hard acid master from Germany will be making his upstate =
debut.  This is THE DJ you definatly don't want to miss.=20

The Surgeon (Downwards, UK)
His records are an amazing representation of hard acidic trance that has =
been akin to such producers as Dave Clarke.=20

Miss Marilyne (Paris, France)
The beautiful Miss Marilyne will be making her northeast debut, =
introducing her style of hard acidic trance.  She is a resident at The =
Tribal Gatherings, Sound Shaft in London and Slam Club in Hamburg.

Cajmere (Cajual, Chicago)
Pioneer of the Chicago Sound Cajmere is also the owner of the world =
renowned Cajual Records in Chicago.   =20

Pierre (Strictly Rhythm, NYC)
New York's legendary "King of Acid"  that needs no introduction.  When =
you say New York House, we say Pierre.

Joey Beltram (Tresor, NYC)
One of the New York pioneers, Joey returns to upstate to push you to a =
new level.  Let's hope our sound company is ready for him.

Super DJ Dmitry (Deee-Lite, NYC)
The legend from Deee-Lite returns to upstate after making an amazing =
performance at Neptune.=20

Icey (Edge, Orlando)
Owner of the Edge in Orlando Icey has influenced the southern rave scene =
monumentally and has produced world famous tracks throwing down his =
southern flavor.=20
=20
CZR (Gramophone, IHR, Chicago)
For those of you who were in awe from Bad Boy Bill at Mars, or thought =
Jes was incredible at Upstate Groove, we bring you another from Bad Boy =
Bill's IHR label. Caesar is sure to rock.

Carlos (San Francisco House Collective)
Our personal favorite, Carlos adds instant vibe to any party.  Flaunting =
his wizardry of the Technics 1200s, the Ecuadorian will be sure to put a =
smile on your face. =20

Mr. Kleen (Satellite Productions, NYC)
Half of Satellite in NYC he is co-founder of the Upstate scene. New =
York's original trance DJ and Coordinator of Sputnik, Voyager, and =
nebula series of parties.

Heather Heart (Sonic Groove, NYC)
This Brooklyn bad girl knows how to get the floor moving the hard way. =20

Doctor Trance (Effective, TO)
This Doctor may not be an MD but is the pioneer of the Toronto rave =
scene.  He hosts one of the largest trance shows in North America.

Jordan Vesteyo (Adrenalin/cor, NY)
After rockin the International Trance Festival, Jordan is Upstate's most =
in demand hard trance DJ.  He has been a favorite of ours since the days =
of Cloud 9.

Space (Launch Pad, Albany)
Owner of the "is It open yet?" in Albany, Space is a true pioneer of the =
upstate scene.  Originator of the Albany Rave scene with "The Abyss," he =
has laid down the house tracks at such parties as Green, Vernal Equinox, =
Sputnik Reunion, Saturn, Mars, Neptune, and Jupiter.  As any upstate kid =
will tell you t Space is the master of the mix.=20

DV8 (AFF, NY-Toronto) =20
The Pioneer of the Rochester Rave scene. He is the man that brought "the =
underground" to Rochester.

Flex (Sky Baby, Rochester)
URB magazine said he "provides an intense energy level jump up and =
groove." Get ready!

Enkay (SWK, NY)
A newcomer to the upstate scene he recently introduced a series of =
underground events to the Middletown.

Look for the Joelt flyer next week.
Other information will be released within the next week.
Call 315-63-PHATO for all the info. 


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 Heres an funny little thing I realized dealing with Apple Computers 1-800 
number...

Instead of dialing 1800 SOSAPPLE, replace the letter O in SOS with the numeral 
0,  the new number dialed actually would tie in nicely with Massive Magazines 
forefather, Ministry of Truth.

Hai


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 > the Presidential candidate, Harry Browne, might have more of an 
 > impact 
 > on the average raver public, who, if most of us could subject a 
 > little 
 > more interest on the outside world, would realize that they're 
 > probably 
 > Libertarian and would vote as so.... just some open thought, and a 
 > morsel of things to come for Massive 15.
 > 
 > Everyone should check out the Libertarian website at:
 > 
 > http://www.lp.org/lp/
 > 
 > or email:  campaign@harrybrowne96.org
 > 
 > I swear this political party was tailor-made for ravers...

helllll yeah! harry browne knows whats up! i listend to an interview with him
on the radio (by none other than the man himself mr. art bell) and he wants to
do so many cool things that this country really needs right now like...get rid
of all taxes (how i would love to take home a full paycheck!) pull the U.S. out
of counties we dont belong in, leagalize marijuana, make everything they way
the constitution puts it,... and so many other things i dont have time to list,
but i thing that us as the future of this country need to be aware of whats up
in politics register to vote! and vote for this guy! clinton aint gonna do
shit, dole aint either....this guy is the man!!! 
peace

~\_scott_/~


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Ick, printing deadlines are no fun.  Did you know that it's possible for
the human body to go 70 hours on about 7 hours of sleep and still be
smiling?  Weeeeeee... but it was worth it, check it out:

=====================================================================

          |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
          |||||| ANNOUNCING THE ARRIVAL OF THE ||||||
          ||>>>> f u t u r e . h a r m o n i x <<<<||
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The first issue of the Future Harmonix zine is in print and will be making
its debut at IO3.  Future Harmonix is about CREATIVITY, COMMUNICATION,
COMMUNITY, and CONSCIOUSNESS.  We are enthusiastic, open-minded people who
are in love with rave, aware of its amazing potential, and trying to make a
difference.  (We hope you are, too!)

The zine will be distributed throughout the midwest shortly after IO3.  A
Web-ified e-version of the zine will be available (minus some of the
graphics, but more interactive) immediately after IO3, so stay tuned for
that.

The main attraction of this first FH zine is a long elaborate article about
practical ways to increase sympathetic resonance (VIBE) between people at
raves, hopefully breaking into some new territory and helping to intensify
the rave experience.  This information covers a spectrum as broad as
shamanism/techno-shamanism to sound/vibrational healing to modern day
scientific psychoacoustical research on brain states, so it should be of
great interest to any open-minded ravers.

And for those who enjoy swimming a little farther out in the deep end with
their thinking, there's also a mini-zine within this Future Harmonix zine
from the Department of Interdimensional Groov, containing articles about
interdimensional communication through sound, internet consciousness,
computers and techno instruments as crystal matrixes, raving
extraterrestrials mating with 303s ;>, the usual wacky and provocative
stuff you'll find associated with the D.I.G.

NET.RAVERS AT IO3:  We don't know how we're gonna work this... hopefully
we'll have a sign at our tent and you can come check us out... weather
permitting, we'll have a coffee table set up with the zines on them... and
hey, we should have a big bowl of candy, too, so come on over and chow down
some sugar.  ;)  Hopefully there'll be some sort of net area going on there
where lotsa net.ravers are camping together, and hopefully we'll be there
among that if it happens.  As for the zine, it's easy to spot... it's quite
long and has some trippy glyphs on the cover.

So yeah, check it out if you're gonna be at IO3... and then the URL for the
e-zine and the web site which houses it will ideally be posted on this bat
channel within a week after IO3, so then all you net.folks can check it
out.

                         FUTURE HARMONY NOW

____ ___ __ _ __ ___ ____ ___ __ _ __ ___ ____ ___ __ _ __ ___ ____

See you at IO3!!!!!!!!  Hopefully I'll have had some sleep by then, but if
I'm lying on the grass passed out and drooling, you know why.  ;>

       Peace & Groove,

            Randy               Rainbow Freq!
             a d
              n                 Dept. of Interdimensional Groov
             a d                osiris7@cris.com
            Randy

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. . . . . . . . . f u t u r e . h a r m o n i x . . . . . . . . .
   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .

  "Some people grin and bear it. Others smile and change it."



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>helllll yeah! harry browne knows whats up! i listend to an interview with him
>on the radio (by none other than the man himself mr. art bell) and he wants to
>do so many cool things that this country really needs right now like...get rid
>of all taxes (how i would love to take home a full paycheck!) pull the U.S. out

Ya know ...

I'd rather keep taxation versus the privatization of public areas by
corporations (which I believe is the libertarian plan for keeping things
maintained?).  There's simply no way we're going to get rid of taxation, it
pays for too much shit that we're spoiled by.

I've read alot of shit on the libertarian "ideals" and they're pretty damn
freaky pipe dreams, imho.

I would rather see my taxes paying for more beneficial things than nuclear
warheads, armies, over-blown congressional salaries, etc.  But I don't mind
paying them to keep the things that need to be kept public public.

Besides I'd rather see democracy, if you call this that, replaced with a
more socialist like system.  

earache



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Hay just to make things clear ... because I really don't know ...

Isn't Phato the production company that put together RaveStock(tm) or was
that Scotto or ??

earache

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug 15 11:16:59 1996
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On 8/15/96, blarfunkular (Professor Earache) amazingly wrote the following
tezzagipshunt:


>I'd rather keep taxation versus the privatization of public areas by
>corporations (which I believe is the libertarian plan for keeping things
>maintained?).  There's simply no way we're going to get rid of taxation, it
>pays for too much shit that we're spoiled by.


         Spoiled? Bullshit.  We don't see squat of what we pay in taxes.
Check out the Netherlands.  They pay a shitload more in taxes and look what
their government does for them.  No, I'm not talking the 'tolerated'
marajuanna use, either.  Every citizen get a nice paycheck from the
goverenment every month, just for being a citizen, health care, nice shit
like that.  Why is it that OUR taxed go to the maintenence of the corporate
state we live in.  Corprations own this damn country.. They purchased it
using OUR taxes.


>I've read alot of shit on the libertarian "ideals" and they're pretty damn
>freaky pipe dreams, imho.


        Very freaky.


>Besides I'd rather see democracy, if you call this that, replaced with a
>more socialist like system.


        ooooo... watch yourself.  Until this country get over the fucked up
cold war mentality and realizes that socialism isn't the big bad satan
around the corner trying to take away your car, home, color tv, etc, there
is going to be NO progress.

        The real evil, as far as I'm concerened is out of control
consumerism.  THATS the main problem with this fucking place.  grrrrr....



sorry.. lost control for a sec.






                                               -jp

                                               <incessantly lulling.>
                                               <randomly stimulating>



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ok so this isnt rlated to a particular area so I cant post it on other lists.

Im looking for a compilation either on vynal or CD, though Id PREFER vynal.
its called "this is old school"
if anyone knows of its where abouts or a distributor itll be greatly
appreciated and Ill be your stalker/best freind forever...which ever happens
first.
gracias
*loud and clear, and packing to leave early for MSU so I can educate freshman*
Diana


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It's kinda funny...

I've always heard of the bad vibe going around Chicago parties.  I didn't 
feel this at all at LR.  Maybe it was because I was CandyFlippin', but 
Everyone was super nice.  

It also coulda been that I was smiling at EVERYONE with the biggest smile 
I could give.  People came up to me all over just because they saw the 
smile.  There were a couple of people that gave me the "look", but after 
a few minutes, they'd walk over and say hi.

I guess the moral of the story is to smile alot more.  That way you don't 
look like you have that wall around you.  It makes you more approachable.


Jap was here.


p.s.  Love ya baby.



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alright, no offense to anyone, especially *especially* those smart enough 
to actually bother with forming an opinion, figuring out what that means, 
and finding a candidate (or trying), and VOTING.

this is really not the place.  yeah, i, the one who said "we's a family" 
and "i wanna know when one o' my brothers gets a black jellybean" just a 
few weeks ago would like to tell anyone who wishes to discuss politix to 
take it elsewhere....and with that, a suggestion.....how about a usenet 
group specifically for ->us<- to discuss politics.  i really would like to 
hear what you think and feel as i'm teetering on who i'm going to vote for 
myself, but i *DON'T* want it muddying up the party reviews.

there.  short and sweet.  i love you and value your opinion...elsewhere.


--star*

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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 monica.owens@boardwalk.com wrote:

>  > http://www.lp.org/lp/

> helllll yeah! harry browne knows whats up! i listend to an interview with him
> on the radio (by none other than the man himself mr. art bell) and he wants to
> do so many cool things that this country really needs right now like...get rid
> of all taxes (how i would love to take home a full paycheck!)

I don't think that's quite right, because doesn't he favor disbanding the 
US Department of Education, and still taxing ppl for schools for kids, 
but giving parents vouchers that they can redeem at the private school of 
thier choice. Imagine! No more government control on learning! No more 
subjecting kids to the biggest failure ever, Project DARE. No more crap! 
I'd much rather have my kids educated by NEC or Motorola than USDoE.

> pull the U.S. out
> of counties we dont belong in,

Doesn't he want to call home ALL foreign troops? I don't think most of 
the public is even aware of all the places we have troops. Hell, I don't 
even know, except for Germany and Japan and Puerto Rico and... hell, 
probably tons of places.

> leagalize marijuana,

The libertarian party advocates the legalization of ALL drugs, in order 
to end this stupid "drug war" that's being fueled on both sides by the US 
Government, as well as get rid of bullshit like the DEA. I personally 
don't think legalizing crap like Heroin is a good idea, but I think it's 
a better idea than what's happening now, and hopefully with widespread 
education about substances and thier effects there wouldn't be that many 
users. I suppose there will always be people who use self-damaging drugs, 
and whether they're legal or not isn't gonna change that. The web site 
also mentions that murder rates went down for NINE CONSECUTIVE YEARS 
after prohibition was abolished. Think about all the deaths that are 
related to drug trafficking and sales. I think these guys are right on. I 
think I may even register to vote. 

seriously... check out thier website. They're right on, if you're not 
afraid of change, and I don't think too many people on this list are.

:)

-j

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On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 monica.owens@boardwalk.com wrote:

> helllll yeah! harry browne knows whats up! i listend to an interview with him
> on the radio (by none other than the man himself mr. art bell) and he wants to
> do so many cool things that this country really needs right now like...get rid
> of all taxes (how i would love to take home a full paycheck!) pull the U.S. out
> of counties we dont belong in, leagalize marijuana, make everything they way
> the constitution puts it,... and so many other things i dont have time to list,
> but i thing that us as the future of this country need to be aware of whats up
> in politics register to vote! and vote for this guy! clinton aint gonna do
> shit, dole aint either....this guy is the man!!! 
> peace

true, but watch how you say it: he is not getting rid of ALL taxes, we
cant have a government without atleast SOME taxes :) He just wants to
ditch the income tax, slash spending dramatically, and get our budget in
order. and of course he is looking for other solutions to the failed "war
on drugs". something cheaper ... Browne '96!


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Everyone that's going to IO3:

Play hard but play safe!!! I'll be sending all of you lots of good energy.
Due to lack of fundage (a couple crazy things that happened while in canada
made me go completely broke) I'm not going to be able to make it to io3!


But i love you all!!!!!
later!!!
Kevin
bluerazz@wsp1.wspice.com


*HUGZ* !


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professor earache sed:
=================================================================
Hay just to make things clear ... because I really don't know ...

Isn't Phato the production company that put together RaveStock(tm) or was
that Scotto or ??

earache
================================================================== 

'twas Scotto that birthed the infamous 'Ravestock'. Phato aka
Patrick L. Oot wuz the one who put together all those planetary
upstate new york parties: Saturn, Mars, and the most recent
planetary party: Uranus.

speakin o planets & outerspace. i urge all ravahs that come to
cleveland to go check out the new science center w/ the Omnimax
Theatre. the massive surround sound screen along w/ the keen
li'l space movie put together by NASA will surely put a sm:)e
on all ravahs w/ an appreciation of the final frontier. admission
includes the trek in the multi-leveled science center guaranteed
to bring the kid outta everybody...gawd damn i sound like some
kinda cheesy commercial dude :/

BTW anyone know if they've named that 10th planet yet?

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I was just thinking of going to orgasm tonight cuz i haven't been out 
dancing in a while, but when i called the info line, i found out that it 
was a uniti thang.  Since i have almost completely lost any faith that i 
may have had in them at one time, i was wondering if anyone else went last 
week, and could tell me if it will be worth my 6$.

Later,

Nate



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>I was just thinking of going to orgasm tonight cuz i haven't been out 
>dancing in a while, but when i called the info line, i found out that it 
>was a uniti thang.  Since i have almost completely lost any faith that i 
>may have had in them at one time, i was wondering if anyone else went last 
>week, and could tell me if it will be worth my 6$.
>
>Later,
>
>Nate


wellll...that all depends...i know when terry mullen was here, it was worth
the 7 bux... and when im feelin a little intoxicated, i find that its worth
the money ;P

but it all depends...do you like any of the DJs thatll be there tonite (or
any given nite)?...the space is nice fer a weekly club thang, for the most
part...total rave feel...not club feeling at all...and usually all the
regular party goers are there so it feels even more like a  rave...but ya
hafta decide if you like the DJs enuff and if you can handle supporting
uniti and ewrecked...i say gpo and chekk it out at least once... but thats
just me...when terry was here tho, it was da bomb!... :)

*hugs* as always...

JOSH!

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug 15 18:31:38 1996
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yes, some of the objectives of the libertarian party seem like pipe 
dreams, but  their approach is direct from our constitution- which never 
stated drugs were illegal, and that the government is responsible for 
welfare, etc.

it's no secret that every libertarian knows that there is no chance of 
the candidates being elected president, but, rather, the goal is to 
inject the libertarian beliefs (straight from our own constitution) into 
the debates and conversations of american, rather than mudding up the 
entire election and political system with trash like abortion and 
welfare- subjects that shouldn't even effect politics (IM)).

they exist only to set the direction of this country back on the right 
path.  granted, the situation and reality we all exist in: abortion 
legal, drugs illegal, the government supporting part of our population, 
the government carrying on secret wars <CIA, FBI>, etc, has become such 
a normal thing to us all, that we don't even know what it's like to live 
in a normal unmolested democratic/ capitalistic society... the 
libertarians want our politicians to get back on the path of HELPING the 
american people rather than profiting from us for their own and their 
friends gain.

matt @ massive

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For those of you not going to IO3 there will be another last minute planned
party featuring The Spiral Tribe from the U.K. in madison again tonight
friday august 16th.......i went to their impromptu gathering last week and
had an awesome time......the number to call for more info is 1-888-631-0723
and this is a toll-free call

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug 16 00:24:19 1996
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ok man, whatever,.....

i have known him longer than you can imagine, .....
that the universe has existed ,....
 already.

no dish here

mellowman  is the fucking  bomb 

you see,

i was mentioning that the style and the music selction of dameon was
evolved.. 

as it 
should be

he started the shit on the west coast....


part of the mixing style of ghetto house is distorted levels 

This is not a bad thing
it is a technique.

daeman's house was intelligent

and maybe you just haven't evolved enough to understand it.


i have been doing this for a long time,

antares


> > "part of ghetto house is
distorted levels"
> > 
> > distorted levels of what?  is there something wrong with me?  well, from my
> > other posts you can probably tell that there is, but i am jsut not following what you are saying....would you care to explain further?  any other booty house
> > fans out there?  i know you are there!  speak!
> 
> Plain and simple. ghetto house is the bomb. I am not going to get to deep 
> into this subject *hehe* but i have been a fan of house musik for 3 years 
> now and the ghetto nasty ass funk drives everyone nutz. the dj that even 
> spun a couple ghetto tracks at the ride party in columbus (Melloman) is a 
> personal friend of mine that i often go record shopping with.  And let me 
> tell u that he is the most constitant house dj in cincinnati as well. but 
> anyway, ghetto is not distorted it is the systems. 
> 
> -dj spooge
> 


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    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: raver187@m-net.arbornet.org (Joe LeSesne)
    To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com (Pittsburgh-Cleveland Rave List)
    Subject: 1.8.7@interstellar.outback
    Date: Fri, 16 Aug

    
    Just thought I'd let y'all know that I'll be playing on the main stage at 
    IO3 Saturday night so look for me. I'll be the guy with the funny 
    two-toned dreads on the side.
    
    
    

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I only got 1 response for a net meet at the party, I sure hope more of you      
are planning on going!                                                          

Here is the DJ lineup for the night:                                            

     Room 1 - upstairs                                                          
              10-12 Big Joe Hix                                                 
              12-1  AUX 88                                                      
               1-3  ROLANDO                                                     
               3-4  Claude Young                                                
               4-6  Chuck Hampton                                               
               6-8  Doc Omni                                                    


      Room 2 - Large Downstairs Room                                            
               10-12 Derrek                                                     
               12-8  Laurent Garnier                                            

      Room 3 - Small Downstairs Room                                            
               10-11 Darren Craig                                               
               11-12 Lawrence Burden                                            
               12-1  Darren Craig (yep, he spins twice)                         
                1-3  Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes                                    
                3-4  Bone                                                       
                4-6  Mark Flash                                                 
                6-8  DJ mix off (tag team TBA)                                  

And remember, look for my VJ station for a net meet at 2:00am.                  

See ya there!                                                                   

Peace!                                                                          
INTERNET:  USFMD3PV@IBMMAIL.COM                                                 

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so far we know stevie t is spinning saturday night...

I'm playing friday night / saturday morning at 5am.  I dont know
what stage.  Hopefully those of you who haven't left yet will
get this in time.  I hate playing for empty space!  unless the grass
magically uproots itself and starts to boogie, it's just not fun.

so if i have to get on my hands and knees and grovel, someone please
come out and dance!

---Cylert

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After playing Rave Em and Bailey on Friday night, I think we want to pop up
to Chicago and see whats up Saturday..
 
I saw on the calendar there was one event, but rather then venturing into
areas of the city that may get us into trouble, we may want to just check
out the regular club scene.. (no car, taxis all the way :()

House, Techno or jungle are all fine as long as the club is not a meat
market commercial kinda thing. Any cool Sat night clubs on Aug 31st?

Anyone wanna play tour guide for a lost band?

peace



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 > I'd rather keep taxation versus the privatization of public areas by
 > corporations (which I believe is the libertarian plan for keeping 
 > things
 > maintained?).  There's simply no way we're going to get rid of 
 > taxation, it
 > pays for too much shit that we're spoiled by.
 > 
 > I've read alot of shit on the libertarian "ideals" and they're 
 > pretty damn
 > freaky pipe dreams, imho.
 > 
 > I would rather see my taxes paying for more beneficial things than 
 > nuclear
 > warheads, armies, over-blown congressional salaries, etc.  But I 
 > don't mind
 > paying them to keep the things that need to be kept public public.
 > 
 > Besides I'd rather see democracy, if you call this that, replaced 
 > with a
 > more socialist like system.  

i understand what you are saying.....but does the government we have now really
work?....maybe we need a change


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 > true, but watch how you say it: he is not getting rid of ALL taxes, 
 > we
 > cant have a government without atleast SOME taxes :) He just wants 

actually he specifically said ALL taxes...and that the government could still
be run more efficeintly on the tarrifs and import taxes and even pay off the
national debt in 6 years by auctioning off all the unused government land, oil
companies, electric companies, ect ect...all which is estimated to be at least
20 trillion dollors!!!!thats a lot o' cash


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(review done in the style of an epic fantasy novel)

...After the mysterious disappearance of their two bravest warriors;
Justin Tewn and Danny the Wildchild, the armies of the Minneapolis Jungle
Vibe Collective could no longer fend off their enemies.  The armies of "I
hate jungle", "I just wanna get high", and "hey, there's aparty with a
color flyer tomorrow!" marched over the brave warriors of the JVC.
However, before their defeat, the valiant armies of JVC fought a tough
battle.  The heroes of the battle were DJs Para, Capsule, Madkid and
Polter, along with their strange-looking but powerful MC Brace.
Unfortunately, the powerful heroes could not hold off the inevitable loss-
and by 4:45 am, the Minneapolis Jungle Massive had fled the battlefield.

... Sorry 'bout that.  Here's the straight version:  This party was
wracked with tons of troubles, the largest being that The two headliners,
Danny the Wildchild and Justin Tewn (replacing DJ 3D) apparently didn't
board their train.  So I ended up missing the Chi-town scratchmaster again
:(  But, the space was undeniably amazing.  It was right in the middle of
downtown Minneapolis (9th and nicollett, for people that know the city) I
bet you weren't aware that there is a series of catacombs under the city
that go under practically *every* building in the downtown area.  I didn't
know that either until I went to this party- which was held in those
catacombs.  I'm sure that if I would've tried, I could have found my way
into the IDS tower, Norwest tower, or Let it Be Dance (the place i'd
probably go!) through those tunnels.  But i digress.  THe JVC residents-
Para, Capsule, Madkid and Polter, plus Slick 50, showed amazing talent and
I thoroughly enjoyed myself.  Sound was pretty good, lights by Clinton
(pretty plain, but clinton always does something fun with 'em) there was
an ambient room, and smart drinks by erotix.  Sadly, because of the
missing headliners, everyone was gone by 4:00 or so, with most of 'em
leaving at around 3.  But MC Brace (heh... he's got a big metal brace on
his head) got the few of us that were left whipped up into a dancing
frenzy and then when slick 50 was done, they pretty much shut it down, I
think.  I dont know if Chris Sattinger played after that, because I left
(sorry chris!) 

This party was worth the $10 just for the space- I feel that i'm on a
higher plane of consciousness now that I know there's wierd tunnels under
the whole city! I just wish I could get into them again and explore!

I didn't get enough partying, so I will be at Untouchable tomorrow,
checkin out the Ghetto House!

chris e

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Yah tonight was a tragedy :(  Was way way way hyped on this party...

I had a good time tho, altho the lights were bugging me ... spot lights are
weak, imho (sorry clinton).  It would have been cooler if they had dropped
the lights ...

I only stayed till about 2:30 ... I came way unprepared due to the
atmospheric difference betwixt my apartment and the cruel outside world.
And, like me, I proceeded without thinking that I was going to get stuck in
a big fucking inferno.  Needless to say I'll wear a t-shirt under that
hoodie next time :/

If anyone was there I was the weird kid in the nike hoodie performing the
funk-adelic shroom version of the drunken monkey.  Long live wibbits!

earache

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On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 monica.owens@boardwalk.com wrote:

> i understand what you are saying.....but does the government we have now really
> work?....maybe we need a change

sure it works. we're the strongest country in the world and that is not
going to change. but we could be much better off by ending the billions
upon billions of wasted dollars and unnecessary taxes and programs.


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On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 monica.owens@boardwalk.com wrote:

> actually he specifically said ALL taxes...and that the government could still
> be run more efficeintly on the tarrifs and import taxes and even pay off the
> national debt in 6 years by auctioning off all the unused government land, oil
> companies, electric companies, ect ect...all which is estimated to be at least
> 20 trillion dollors!!!!thats a lot o' cash

hmmm, the campaign stuff i got from the libertarians said he would leave
a national sales tax or something, not ALL taxes. but then they could be
dishing out 2 different stories... i am subscribed to his "email press
release" campaign news, it is kind of interesting

here is the latest one, which points out the bullshit that the "small
government" Republicans have come up with. 

From CampaignNews@HarryBrowne96.org Sat Aug 17 14:39:11 1996
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 10:21:29 PDT
From: CampaignNews@HarryBrowne96.org
Reply-To: campaign@HarryBrowne96.org
To: Harry Browne for President announcements <announce@HarryBrowne96.org>
Subject: Release: two faces of Dole


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HARRY BROWNE, LIBERTARIAN FOR PRESIDENT
2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
Washington DC 20037
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For additional information:
Bill Winter, Director of Communications
Phone: (202) 333-0008
Internet: 73163.3063@CompuServe.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CAMPAIGN NEWS
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: August 16, 1996


"Two Faces of Dole" were displayed in acceptance speech,
charges Libertarian presidential candidate Harry Browne 

        
        WASHINGTON, DC -- Bob Dole's acceptance speech 
displayed the "two faces of Dole," said Libertarian 
presidential candidate Harry Browne today -- one Dole 
who says he's in favor of limited government and less 
taxes, and another Dole who passionately defends all 
the government programs he's supported for 30 years.

        "It was a politically schizophrenic speech," 
said Browne. "There seem to be two Bob Doles -- the 
Good Dole who makes libertarian-sounding speeches, 
and the Bad Dole who spent 30 years voting for tax 
increases and wasteful new federal programs. Will the 
real Bob Dole please stand up?"

        For example, said Browne:

        * Dole said about taxes: "It's your money. 
You shouldn't have to apologize for wanted to keep 
what you earn."

        "But he then proposed to make only token 
reductions in the income tax -- a mere 15% over three 
years -- and then only to spur economic growth which 
will increase government tax revenues," noted Browne. 

        * Dole complained that Americans have to 
"work from the first of January into May just to pay 
your taxes." 

        "But he didn't admit that he voted for $960 
billion of those taxes, and supported most of the 
expensive government programs that caused those taxes 
to skyrocket," said Browne.

        * Dole said he will "balance the budget by 
the year 2002." 

        "But he didn't explain why he voted for 
dozens of unbalanced budgets during his 30 years 
in Congress," said Browne.

        * Dole said: "Individual accountability must 
replace collective excuse."

        "But then he bragged about defending the 
bankrupt Medicare and Social Security programs, and 
vowed that government would 'be faithful to Americans 
in need' -- thus writing a blank check for 30 more 
years of collective excuses," said Browne.

        * Dole said, "We have surrendered too much 
of our economic liberty." 

        "But he didn't propose abolishing $75 billion 
worth of corporate welfare; or farm subsidies; or the 
Department of Commerce," noted Browne.

        * Dole said he would "attack the root cause 
of crime: criminals. Violent criminals." 

        "But he didn't propose ending the government's 
war on victimless crimes -- a war that is chipping away 
at the Bill of Rights and so crowds our prisons with 
non-violent criminals that murderers and rapists are 
being turned loose to make room," said Browne.

        * Dole promised to "rebuild our armed forces." 

        "But he didn't explain why, at a time when 
America has no significant enemies in the world -- yet 
is still spending more on the military than we did at 
the height of the Cold War -- we need to spend more," 
said Browne.

        * Dole said he supports "the right to send your 
child to the school of your choice." 

        "But then he implied that another government 
program -- vouchers of some kind -- was the solution 
to the problem," said Browne. "Why not just let parents 
keep their own money, and let them make their own 
decisions about their children's education?" asked Browne.

        After listening to Dole's speech, Browne said, 
"Here's the question for all Americans who sincerely want 
a much smaller, less expensive government: If you vote for 
Bob Dole, which one will you get as president? Will it be 
the Good Dole -- the speech-making, libertarian-sounding 
Dole? Or the Bad Dole -- the big-government-defending, 
tax-increasing, Washington-insider Dole?

        "The answer, based on 30 years of Dole's voting 
record, is that you'll get the Real Dole -- who never met 
a tax he didn't hike, and never met a government program 
he wouldn't vote for. No amount of libertarian-sounding 
rhetoric can change that fact," said Browne.

-- 
Harry Browne for President                         Campaign@HarryBrowne96.org
http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/                               fax: 202-333-0072
2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100, Washington DC 20037     voice:
202-333-0008



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I am trying to decide whether I should go to Top Secret tonight, any
thoughts on how good tis party will be? thanks


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Hey everybod-e...a few days ago someone posted an ad for a DJ Snuggles/Slak
mix tape for $10 and gave an adress u could send $$$$ to for it? I
acidentallly tossed that mail...could someone be quite kind and re-post that
note or just mail it to me? Thanks
ReaLiTy iS No LoNGeR a CoMMoN STaTe oF MiND
                    &
NoRMaL iS aN ouTDaTeD STeReoTyPe.... TIJ (1996)

The Great Almighty Icculus


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Hey y'all, now that we're talkin about ghetto house it sorta piqued my
curiosity.  I got a couple ghetto mixtapes and i sorta like SOME of the
stuff.  I like how it's so heavy on the bass for all the rumble junkies.
What i don't like however is silly samples like "I got a nine millimeter
and a nine inch peter."  I don't wanna spin that garbage (IMO), but i have
heard some ghetto that is acidic and detroit sounding with all that
rumbling  bass minus the wack MC, i think i could use that.....   getting
to the point, can anyone recommend any labels for me to check out where i
might be able to find stuff like this... Thanks =)
Peace, Marc



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On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Marc Egley wrote:

> Hey y'all, now that we're talkin about ghetto house it sorta piqued my
> curiosity.  I got a couple ghetto mixtapes and i sorta like SOME of the
> stuff.  I like how it's so heavy on the bass for all the rumble junkies.
> What i don't like however is silly samples like "I got a nine millimeter
> and a nine inch peter."  I don't wanna spin that garbage (IMO), but i have
> heard some ghetto that is acidic and detroit sounding with all that
> rumbling  bass minus the wack MC, i think i could use that.....   getting
> to the point, can anyone recommend any labels for me to check out where i
> might be able to find stuff like this... Thanks =)

i just went down to 7th today and got a rekkid by dj funk with some good 
ghetto house.  from what i've heard on dj funks trax most of it has some 
samples with girls sayin stuph like 'fuck me suck me' and shit like that 
but for the most part i like his stuff.  also i got another record by 
mood II swing called 'bumfor hire' or somethin' like that.  it's got some 
really phat stuff on it especially one of the songs thats got a pretty 
trippy sample sayin' 'not wed, not thur, not fri. but saturday...'.  just 
a couple suggestions :)

	b
_____________________________________________________________________________
brent theisen                                             brentt@onlineuw.org
					      http://www.onlineuw.org/~brentt
madison, wi
608.221.4641


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i was bored listening to some musik last nite and came up with a kinda 
stupid idea but i'll run it by and see what people think about it [or 
don't think ;)].

first of all, are there any sites on the net that let you order mix tapes 
or records from all different labels/djs?  i mean not just one or two 
different labels but a whole mess of 'em.  what i was thinking about is 
maybe setting up a web site that would be all about selling or trading 
mix tapes over the net.  a lot of kids on the netwerks have some good 
tapes and this would be a way to kind of get there stuff out and what 
not.  if anyone is at all interested in somethin' like this i could 
probably get it done myself so gimme a e-mail

	b
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brent theisen                                             brentt@onlineuw.org
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madison, wi
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well, ill be heading off to college in about 2.5 weeks.  ill be going up to
mpls so if anybody wants to hook up leave me your email adress and your fone
#.  

ummm...  i was just thinking bout how it would be like, going up to a big
city for the raves.  i wont have much cash when i get up there, hope to go to
a few of the raves up there.  i wont have many friends when i get there
either, a coupla people, josh decker, for example gave me his number.  thanks
josh.  ill give ya a free t-shirt when i start to make em.  i want to get as
many connections as i can before i come up.   

i plan to make my own clothes, t shirts and other shit by the end of the
school year.  ill be getting into CGI my second year, hoping to make some
phat ass flyers.  

anybody got any tips or suggestions for me when i have to deal with home
sickness or anything?  well, im gonna go now.  

later 

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i dont think this made it the first time.  sorry if this hits your
mailbox twice.

Anyone know of a good websight, or MAILING LIST for acid jazz?
Also, are there any particularly good mix tapes floating around
the midwest?  thanks.

---Cylert

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Hardfloor, Hardhouse's acid-trance kingpins,are set to headline one of the
world's premier electronic events -- Camel's Airave III.  Setting sail for
the Bermuda Triangle from Miami on September 27, 196 this 3 day rave
extravaganza will take place on a luxury liner. Hardfloor will perform
their
only US date in support of their new LP.  Home Run on an unihabited part
of
Grand Bahama island along with Josh Wink, DJ Keoki, Afrika Bambaataa,
Plastikman and others.  If you're interested in going, the event including
food etc. is $385 through Reliable Travel for the three days.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ack! the lineup's very nice, but look who it's sponsored by- camel! And
you could get an as nice or better campout event for around $30 (read:
furthur, IO, family affair) Screw camel is what I say. A cigarette company
shouldnt be sponsoring a rave.

(my opinion of course, you're entitled to your own!)

chris e

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heyyyyyy!  wassssup people?  well anyhow my darlins, im tired as heck and im
posting!!!!!

review of generation of noize tour!!!!!  :D

last nite <friday> was FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i was dancin real hard to
jayzee...... he spun acid and then he threw on some gabber!!!!!  got the asses
bouncin in tha hayyyyyyyyouse!  then i had to go get some soda..... got back at
1:30 about 15 mins later and just about everyone was gone.  guess the cops
showed up and told them to turn it down......... people freaked and split. 
anyhow.......... dj flux was spinnnnin jungle and it was RAAAAD!!!!!  :D  so we
left around 3 am and i was asleep on me feeeet.... sooooooo tired :P  twas fun
tho.  highlights of the nite included the naked guy dancin <dunno, kinda scared
me>  and the guy jugglin flaming torch things and blowing fire.  :D  downside; 
it stunk..  :P   no more to add.

tonite i went out to the papty.. needless to say it didnt happen.  took us an
hour to find it........ but twas fun.  not enough amps and they said fuck it i
guess.... someone called the cops on em too :(  oh well.  i met jayzee who
RULEDDDDDD!!!!!!!  <not the best dj skills wise i've ever seen... but he has
GREAT REKKIDS!!!!!!!>  and he gave me a tape!!!!!  rock ON!  :D  

anyhow, big ups and shout outs for the weekemd to:    breezy, marc, mark,
tenny, brent, adam, josh, petra, roller, jessica, pat, and whomever else i
forgot!  :D

seeya at hopscotch!!!  :P 

jon.

"this time you can't stop the rhythm!"


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 > sure it works. we're the strongest country in the world and that is 
 > not
 > going to change. but we could be much better off by ending the 
 > billions

are we really?
maybee the most intimidating....we have absolutely no missil defense
system...almost anyone could bring us to our knees if they wanted to

also we rank 14 on the list of most free countries

our economic system is on the verge of collapse

yes, we are a strong country....but before you get to patriotic, become aware
of what is really going on and look only at facts, dont look at the way things
"seem" to be


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Wow! I was really impressed with this first-time effort by goodfella
productions! This party was probably in my top 5 of all time, maybe
higher.  

SPACE- For a few moths now I've been dreaming of a party in the actual
downtown area of minneapolis- right by the skyscrapers and all.  And in
one weekend I get it twice! This one was in a very nice 7th floor space.
Seeing how most parties are usually on the ground or underground, this one
had a very different feel.  I loved looking out the window at the city
below.  One complaint (and an observation) - the space was SUPER hot.  I
mean, we could've all spontaneously combusted, it was so hot.  I think
i've figured out that a hot space (such as this one or the Bubbilicious
space) can help the vibe- sweaty people are happy people for some reason.
The space was probably a little TOO nice, I was worried about people
damaging it or something, and there was a lot of water spilled on the nice
hardwood floor.  The faucets in the bathroom were gold! How much fancier
does a rave space get?

Music- I came at about 12:00, and I assume that one of the "low-end crew"
was on when I arrived- whoever it was was spinning some neat ghetto house,
although I think I heard that "shake what yo momma gave ya" trakc about 4
times :) After the 3 ghetto house djs (i think...) came Grover, who
everyone claims is from Las Vegas.  But I think he must be from
minneapolis because why would they keep flying in a DJ all the way from
vegas (he's here like once a month) and never give him a headlining spot?
ANyways. he played some VERY NICE acid, which I enjoyed thoroughly.  Then
came Speedy, who I also enjoyed quite a a bit.  Next was Apollo, who I
cant usually stand, but tonight he was pretty good.  Then came my
least-favorite DJ in the world, Monte Hilleman.  I dont really understand
why he keeps getting booked- his track selection sucks, and he doesnt know
how to read a crowd's reactions at all.  Plus, he thinks good DJ technique
is to turn down all the leves except for a little treble for about a
minute, then put the bass back in. It sounds like shit.  And he does a lot
of fading one record out, then fading in another one, no beatmixing
required! But enough ranting.  I left when monte was still playing.
Luckily I didnt have to sit through the sets of Jason G or Alex Jarvis,
neither of whom I like.

VIBE- the good vibes were in full effect! Lots of smiles, and lots of
people that I didnt know came and talked to me.  But i did get a very
strange vibe at the same time- I'm not usually really receptive to vibes
in the sense that Randy and Josh were discussing a few weeks back, but
tonight I was. And while everything was good-vibed, there was a very
strange feeling to it like I've never felt before.

SUBSTANCES- I really don't agree with goodfella here, bringing in that
keg was a really dumb thing.  Alcohol really has no place at a rave (IMHO)
and that keg wasn't something i wanted to see. Especially when someone
spilled fucking beer on my backpack! Forget the beer, I'd much rather see
the promoters bring a tank of nitrous (which isn't that good either)
Other than that, I heard about soemthing called DBA (BDA??) going around
in big quantities- this DBA or whatever, what is it?  Something i've never
heard of, although i'm pretty chemically naive.  A lot of other shit going
around too, coke and crystal meth to name a few. Argh! Oh well, nothing we
do is going to get rid of that.

Overall, this was a great party, and I look forward to more Goodfella
productions in the future! 

one satisfied customer,

chris e


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Hi kids, I'm clean... My clothes are in the basement soaking, and i took 
a toothbrush to my shoes before sticking them in the washer... =)

 I had fun, I'll write a real review later.... Love yas!


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I've been trying to get onto IRC, but i haven't been able to find
a server that will give me access.  If anyone could send me a list
of a couple of servers, it would be much appreciated.

---Cylert

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well...for a rooky party, it wasnt so bad...ya gotta give em some sorta
credit for their first time, ya know?...

booked primarily and predominantly with ghetto house DJs, it was a night
minneapolis was looking forward too (if you got past the fact that MSM was
all over the flyer when it wasnt even a MSM party)...

the low end crew from chicago
milton     deeon    sluggo

DEEON
deeon phukked it up...nice thick snappy bass drops galore!!!...he raped the
dance floor hard!...

MILTON
not too bad...nice flow to his set, but no big drops and thumps like deeon...

SLUGGO
more along the lines of deeon...very nice stuff...

all the classic ghetto house tracks were played...go figure, the producers
of those tracks are the low end crew... :) i cant figure out why they booked
those guys and all they did was spin, tho...they shoulda been doin that shit
live!...

there really was no  vibe...it *WAS* fun...but not too vibed...

kwite a few personal confrontations and circumstances could be blinding my
vision in this area tho...i dunno...

the space...it was nice...7th floor in the wyman building...rite in the
center of downtown minneapolis...it was clean...and  seemed to have seperate
rooms, when really it was all the same room, just set up weird...

APOLLO
spun a decent set...nothing ultra exciting...yer basic minneapolis apolloa
cameo appearance...

SPEEDY
speedy wad nice...very nice...but when is he not?...

MONTE HILLEMAN
sukked!...his  choice of rekkids was sooooooooooooooooo whack this time
around...

i dont recall too many f the other DJs sets...

lights were minimal, but effective...

sound was as such also...

not too bad fer a first promotion gig...ill give em another whirl, im sure...

there...im done...byebye...

*hugs*

JOSH!

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On 17 Aug 96 at 17:47, WaveShaft@aol.com wrote:

> anybody got any tips or suggestions for me when i have to deal with home
> sickness or anything?  well, im gonna go now.  


sure, that's what *we're* here for.  :)

(but i don't recommend vrave, far too addictive)


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>SUBSTANCES- I really don't agree with goodfella here, bringing in that
>keg was a really dumb thing.  Alcohol really has no place at a rave (IMHO)
>and that keg wasn't something i wanted to see. Especially when someone
>spilled fucking beer on my backpack! Forget the beer, I'd much rather see
>the promoters bring a tank of nitrous (which isn't that good either)
>Other than that, I heard about soemthing called DBA (BDA??) going around
>in big quantities- this DBA or whatever, what is it?  Something i've never
>heard of, although i'm pretty chemically naive.  A lot of other shit going
>around too, coke and crystal meth to name a few. Argh! Oh well, nothing we
>do is going to get rid of that.


what your probably referring to here is a drug that is making the rounds
right now called DOB which is dimethylbromoamphetamine which is a close
relative of MDMA or methylenedioxymethamphetamine......it does have
different effects though the most predominent difference between DOB and
MDMA being that DOB has a pronounced hallucinogenic effect, but it also
falls into the same category as MDAM which is the psychedelic amphetamines

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somebody wrote:

> > sure it works. we're the strongest country in the world and that is
> > not
> > going to change. but we could be much better off by ending the
> > billions

then, monica owens wrote:

>
>are we really?
>maybee the most intimidating....we have absolutely no missile defense system...


KK: you BELIEVE that?? are you honestly naive enough to think that after
the  KK: COLD WAR ended that we just threw all that hardware away????!!!!
KK: how could we be 'intimidating' without it?

>...almost anyone could bring us to our knees if they wanted to

KK: NO FUCKING WAY - this country is ARMED TO THE TEETH
KK: ( dont believe otherwise )

>
>also we rank 14 on the list of most free countries

KK: i have a hard time believing that one - where did you get your info?
KK: who do we rank behind?... antarctica?

>
>our economic system is on the verge of collapse

KK: four years ago, with the defecit (sp) at a whopping $240 billion / year,
KK: the US still had one of the most thriving economies on the planet. with
KK: the passing of those four years, the same US yearly debt has dropped to
KK: $160 billion / year - OBVIUOSLY, we've a ways to go...
KK: ...but there is NO question that the country is in a state of economic
KK: recovery

>
>yes, we are a strong country....but before you get to patriotic, become aware
>of what is really going on and look only at facts, dont look at the way things
>"seem" to be

KK: those ARE the facts.

talk atcha soon.
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Quick question...
Does anyone have a scanned in copy of the Elektrik Disko flyer?

I need either a .jpg or .gif version of it.

Thanks :)
-Jason

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At 06:41 AM 8/18/9

>times :) After the 3 ghetto house djs (i think...) came Grover, who
>everyone claims is from Las Vegas.  But I think he must be from
>minneapolis because why would they keep flying in a DJ all the way from
>vegas (he's here like once a month) and never give him a headlining spot?
>ANyways. he played some VERY NICE acid, which I enjoyed thoroughly.  Then
>came Speedy, who I also enjoyed quite a a bit.  Next was Apollo, who I

No he's really from Las Vegas. I've visitied him at his house there..
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> what your probably referring to here is a drug that is making the rounds
> right now called DOB which is dimethylbromoamphetamine which is a close
> relative of MDMA or methylenedioxymethamphetamine......it does have
> different effects though the most predominent difference between DOB and
> MDMA being that DOB has a pronounced hallucinogenic effect, but it also
> falls into the same category as MDAM which is the psychedelic amphetamines

DOB, that's the stuff. Couldn't remember what it was called, but it was
being sold as ecstasy.

thanks,

chris e

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| crege@piper.hamline.edu       | and little lambs eat ivy.. a kid'll |
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> Quick question...
> Does anyone have a scanned in copy of the Elektrik Disko flyer?

It's too big for most flatbed scanners- you could scan that tiny version
of the flyer but I doubt that any of the back-side text would show up.  I
suppose it would be posible to scan the bigger one twice and match up the
two sides...

That being said, I dont have access to a scanner. Sorry!  :P

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This is a minneapolis club event!

Thursday, August 29th

First Avenue Tranceteria
and 
Depth Probe Present

BIONIC BOOM

DJs 
JT
Drone
E-Tones
Francois Bass
CiskO
Kid KaBoom

Live cameos by Sukpatch and Fisticuffs

Lights and video by Undertow
Design by Thrills and Chills
hosted by Dandy Mandee and Raver Jim

$6 entrane fee
doors @ 8pm
must be 18 years of age

No Info-Line; just show up at first ave!

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Aug 19 10:14:02 1996
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On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, !!chris e!! wrote:

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hardfloor, Hardhouse's acid-trance kingpins,are set to headline one of the
> world's premier electronic events -- Camel's Airave III.  Setting sail for
> the Bermuda Triangle from Miami on September 27, 196 this 3 day rave
> extravaganza will take place on a luxury liner. Hardfloor will perform
> their
> only US date in support of their new LP.  Home Run on an unihabited part
> of
> Grand Bahama island along with Josh Wink, DJ Keoki, Afrika Bambaataa,
> Plastikman and others.  If you're interested in going, the event including
> food etc. is $385 through Reliable Travel for the three days.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Ack! the lineup's very nice, but look who it's sponsored by- camel! And
> you could get an as nice or better campout event for around $30 (read:
> furthur, IO, family affair) Screw camel is what I say. A cigarette company
> shouldnt be sponsoring a rave.
> 
> (my opinion of course, you're entitled to your own!)
> 
Marboro, Pepsi, Camel, all those guys sponsor huge events in Europe.  They
certainly aren't underground, but then again, neither is the scene inh
europe.  the one good thing about sponsors is they allow the promoters to
have immense budgets for cool stuff without having outrageous prices (eg.
desert move in Las Vegas.)  I think it is possible to have sponsors and
retain creative control, although I have never tried to use a sponsor in
one of my events.

tim



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Frenche and I would like to thank everyone who helped out with IO and
participated.  Most especially I wish to thank everyone who respected
the site.  This was the most respectful group I have ever seen at a party
before.  We made a great impression on the local people and on the city of
Louisville.  The city actually likes us and has offered us the site for
use at any time.  Imagine that, City officials offering the use of public
 land for a rave.  This is what respect for a site can do.  If this sort
of attitidue was displayed by the scene as a whole, our pr image would be
a lot different.

Other than the attendence, we could have not asked for a better event.
I am very disappoint in those who chose not to attend because of the lack
of the mega-headliners.  All of the djs at IO were highly talented, with
several of them headed for that mega headliner status in the future.  All
of the DJS donoted their time and services for this event and they deserve
our thanks and yours.  We decided to devote our efforts to make the best
possible event from a space and technical stand point.  All the equipment
and labor was donoted as well.  It is unfortunate that so many people
chose not to appreciate our efforts in that regard. 

So I will pose a question to you.  What do you want from the next
Interstallar, if there is one.  I mean we could have added lots of
big-names and charged $30 or so.  Is that what you want?  Even at $20 we
still lost heavily.  We weren't going to make money in any event, but had
hoped not to have to pay for all the bills out of our own pockets on top
of donating our time and equipment.  So we are asking you what you want?

tim



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try irc.voicenet.com, irc.ais.net, irc2.ais.net....

try those ..they should work
Bruce

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On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 page@simon.wustl.edu wrote:

> I've been trying to get onto IRC, but i haven't been able to find
> a server that will give me access.  If anyone could send me a list
> of a couple of servers, it would be much appreciated.
> 
> ---Cylert
> 

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>So I will pose a question to you.  What do you want from the next
>Interstallar, if there is one.

First off, let me thank you and whoever else was involved because I
had a great time at the party despite the small crowd and rain.
The guy from SETI was a great public speaker and very interesting, I
thought.  The variety of music was truely encouraging, as all you
get where I'm from (Baltimore) is house, house, house, housey trance
and jungle.

As for what I want to see, I have a couple of suggestions:

A) I think you should avoid big headliners like the plague.
   JJ had a truely special, original idea with the whole IO
   thing being volunteered, with DJs spinning for free and the
   low low price of the party.  If you get this weekends SuperSting
   line-up and charged $50 for the weekend you'd end up with
   a carbon copy of the parties that have gotten so boring around
   here lately (Bassrush, the Phato parties, etc.)  The whole
   attraction to me for the IO's is their communal, non-commercial
   nature.

B) It would be a good idea to limit yourself to two sound systems
   (instead of four) and a chillout space so as to concentrate
   the people that were there a little more.  As I was walking around
   sunday morning I noticed that each system seemed to have just
   under the critical mass of people needed to start a self-sufficient
   "party" atmosphere.  Besides, I don't know how much of the
   enterence fee went to sound and lights, but maybe you could lower
   it with less of a production going on.  Oh, and you should use a *lot*
   less DJ's.  One hour sets were way too short, and more than one person
   remarked to me that they were put off by too many transitions too
   quickly between types of music.  And the couple of DJ's I talked to bitched
   to me that they didn't really get time to start a good flow.  And with less
   transportation costs you could lower the price even more, or
   spend the money on other things which would underline the difference
   between IO and other parties, like the yoga guy JJ brought to the
   last one.

C) You need to learn to promote better.  That's how producers get butts
   in the seats.  Get them flyers printed up earlier, and set up an
   efficient, volunteer distribution network to get them out all around
   the country.  Baltimore and DC were plastered with the first IO
   flyers long before the party happened but I didn't see any for this one
   until I got to Kentucky.  And no offense, but the flyers this year were
   practically unreadable and absolutly like every other flyer for every
   other party I've seen.  You need to underline, up front, exactly what the
   party is all about, or most people from far away are going to glance at
   the cover, think "OH, a big party in the midwest" and throw it into
   their pile of other flyers they save but never look at.  But, I believe
   that if people knew what the party's true intentions were, you'd not only
   get more people, but more of the right people coming to your party.

Just constructive criticism.  Like I said, I had a good time last weekend
anyway :)

-- 

-ron

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This was posted by an A&R guy at Mercury Records Re: the ENIT Festival.

Subj:  ENIT
Date:  96-08-18 03:32:06 EDT
From:  Sexbeat

3:45 AM

Well Kudos to Perry Farrell: a sold out Garden State Arts Center
proved the Malibu trickster is in fact a true Long Island shamen. ENIT
is hands down the conceptual winner in the Summer festival
suites-stakes.....Mr. Farrell stretched his arms wide and bowing
his head told the audience "Today is the happiest day of my life.
Thank you for letting me let go of the past and be reborn with
you tonight and than  dervishes swirled his Porno for Pirates
beats into a trance setting frenzy of rock 'n' roll multi-
culturated with wicks tabula percussion....In a welcome to the
millennium mix of rhythm  and groves even the last minute no
shows of Buju Banton (the dance hall king with the nasty mouth)
Love & Rockets (maybe they should have waited till summer was
over to ask to be let go by American ...let go they were, but the
tour support stayed in Rick's pocket) and the at-the-very-last-
minute cancellation by Black Grape (reputedly because either
Shawn's grandfather or his  small pet died)...not that this kind
of behavior is anything knew to the gifted Shawn R. did not deter
the suburban extasy crowd from massing together to make their own
Organic "groove radio" throwndown...Meat Beat Manifesto were
brilliant...simply brilliant at creating live what has been
mesmerizing  progressive dance audiences for years...why Jack
Dangers even wore a beaten up old cowboy hat, Personal highpoint
for me was being thrill by the sight and sound of ex-Dee-lite
lead singer Lady Miss Kier whipping up a dancing storm as her I
love lucy hair bounced around the stage...her new music takes
Tricky's aural landscape and adds a dollop of post-modern jazz
and dash of Evita drama. How nice to see Benneton ad look of her
skillful band. As they used to say about Jayne Mansfield: The
girl can't help it....she is just too fabulous .. The six teens
surrounding me  screamed their way through her entire set (Kier
we love you..we love you  Keir)

We like that Perry talked about trees and reminded the audience
repeatedly that "Dole does not know...Dole does not know",... the
non-stop rave music spun by a collection of dj's that would even
make Jason Bently sit up and take notice kept the audience in hip
locomotion.

The idea of the communal meal was lovely ...but the Krishna
indigestion  was not...cured mine with a delicious Ms. Field's
double chocolate cookie...the drug of choice (other than Krishna)
seemed to be the sacred herb.

The Orb was about to go into its seductive second hour when I
left to drive back to the city before I fell asleep.

Thank you Perry!


I have little time for a real review -- but to go on...
Rabbit in the Moon were amazing.  Their musik was phat, their stage
show was unbeleivable.  Costumes and audience participation - walking disco
balls, weilding masks off of their faces...  but it was the vibe that amazed
me.  10,000 people, huge commercial venue, and the vibe was great all night
long.  As great as could be expected for an event of this size - so commercial.
Props to Perry for spreading good energy to the mainstream.

.................
http://pilot.msu.edu/~larsonb1
http://www.hardhead.com

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ben page sed:
=================================================================
so far we know stevie t is spinning saturday night...

I'm playing friday night / saturday morning at 5am.  I dont know
what stage.  Hopefully those of you who haven't left yet will
get this in time.  I hate playing for empty space!  unless the grass
magically uproots itself and starts to boogie, it's just not fun.

so if i have to get on my hands and knees and grovel, someone please
come out and dance!

---Cylert
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huh?!...i forwarded that post for joe187 who played mainstage
saturday night. unlike joe i DO NOT have two tone colored dreads!
i wuz happy that joe got to play cuz he got screwed w/ the ENIT
thing & i'm sure the IO experience more than made up for it. it's
a good thing cuz joe is one of the founding fathers of the pitt scene
& one of the premiere jungle producers state side.

actually i wuz stuck in columbus, ohio during the weekend babysitting
my girlfriend's niece...talk about REAL life stuff...it don't get more  
REAL than changing diapers!...stevie's further explorations in the
REAL world!

i wuz thinking about doing a bus trip for it like last year & had
recieved quite a few messages about it on my voice-mail. but i recieved
no flyers for it...i still don't understand how producers can pass up
free promotion from a city as big as cleveland from some one who's
actually up on the scene...but what can u do...i think quite a few
clevelanders ended up going to Summer of Love '96 in Toronto, cuz i
did recieve flyers for that party.

--
________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________

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sexbeat sed:
==================================================================
3:45 AM

Well Kudos to Perry Farrell: a sold out Garden State Arts Center
proved the Malibu trickster is in fact a true Long Island shamen. ENIT
is hands down the conceptual winner in the Summer festival
suites-stakes.....Mr. Farrell stretched his arms wide and bowing
his head told the audience "Today is the happiest day of my life.
Thank you for letting me let go of the past and be reborn with
you tonight and than  dervishes swirled his Porno for Pirates
beats into a trance setting frenzy of rock 'n' roll multi-

===============( blah, blah, blah, etc. etc.)======================

Perry Farrel king profiteer of jumping on the rave scene bandwagon!
where there'll be big bucks, Perry and the rest of the commercial
leeches like Camel and the rest of the big name sponsors will be
there. but when the shit hit the fan, like in cleveland and pittsburgh,
Perry wuz nowhere to be found!

ready or not folks, commercialism is here...it's the end of the
world as we know it...and i feel fine..

--
________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________

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sexbeat sed:
==================================================================
3:45 AM

Well Kudos to Perry Farrell: a sold out Garden State Arts Center
proved the Malibu trickster is in fact a true Long Island shamen. ENIT
is hands down the conceptual winner in the Summer festival
suites-stakes.....Mr. Farrell stretched his arms wide and bowing
his head told the audience "Today is the happiest day of my life.
Thank you for letting me let go of the past and be reborn with
you tonight and than  dervishes swirled his Porno for Pirates
beats into a trance setting frenzy of rock 'n' roll multi-

===============( blah, blah, blah, etc. etc.)======================

Perry Farrel king profiteer of jumping on the rave scene bandwagon!
where there'll be big bucks, Perry and the rest of the commercial
leeches like Camel and the rest of the big name sponsors will be
there. but when the shit hit the fan, like in cleveland and pittsburgh,
Perry wuz nowhere to be found!

ready or not folks, commercialism is here...it's the end of the
world as we know it...and i feel fine...

--
________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________

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This is a zine that I'm working on with a friend. We are seeking 
contributors.


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Greetings!
	This is Michael Antonucci, the editor and publsiher of the 
recently started UFOzine Degrading Orbit.  Degrading ORbit seeks to 
sidestep the boring, interminable debates over the facticity of alien 
visitation and conspiracy theory by maintain ing a tight focus on the 
undeniable social and cultural significance of the UFO phenomenon.  For 
example, the lead issue for the September issue will be "When the Ship 
Comes In:  UFOlogy as a blueprint for Radical Political Action."  
Hopefully, you get the idea.  Current distribution plans are local, but 
we plan to expand to broader regional and hopefully even national 
circulation once our effort is a bit better established.
	DO currently seeks submissions in the form of letters (500 word 
max), articles (1000-5000 words), or artistic/photographic efforts (black 
and white, 8.5x11 or less).  Feel free to E-Mail Textual entries to this 
address.
	Snail Mail contact and phone at:
		Degrading ORbit
		332 East Washington Street #5
		Iowa City, Iowa 52240
		319 (338 5051)
Entries should be in by the 22cd in order to be considered for inclusion 
in the September issue.  Please include any institutional affiliations 
and brief bio, if possible, detailing your inerest in and contact with the 
OThers.
		Thanks!

		Cordially,
		Michael Antonucci


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Subject: Re: the zone

ISaturday  September 7  Chicago IL  Uptempo Dance presents
      
                                 THE ZONE 
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  chicago                 boston                 chicago
              chicago
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From: *Cynthia* <glowstik@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: Help Me Out!

Hi all,

I used to go to PUrdue in INdiana, but I've moved to London, Ontario now, 
and I need to find another rave-related mailing list for my new area - 
anyone know where I can find that?  And how to subscribe?

By the way, is anyone out there going to a thing thrown by E.R.A. tonight 
in London?  Eric Haupt, Sunkissed, Sureal, and Climax are going to be 
there, and others...I don't really want to go alone, and I don't really 
know where I am! haha

There's another party in Toronto on the 17th called Summer of Love 96, 
and I was wondering if anyone was going to that one too?  If you are, 
send me e-mail at this address, it's still okay :)

See you all in the NOrth :)
Cynthia (twinstar)




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Subject: SUPERNOVA aug. 30 CHICAGO (fwd)
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Subject: SUPERNOVA aug. 30 CHICAGO


Chicago Friday August 30th

SUPERNOVA
brought to you by:
Newtype+
Source
Alien touch
C.comm.

Djs 100% confirmed
-----------------------
MIKEY B
eurorave paris
megarave holland
Fantasia resident
Dreamscape
Dance Concept

CLARKEE
#1 techno dj in Europe

DIABLO
ministry of sound UK

DJ S.S.
formation Records U.K.
honoring chicago with his drum and bass

Dj Sonar
dance concept
hitting chicago with the hardcore.

Marc-Alan Gray
c.comm.
smile club finland
manhattan express russia

MC Warren G.
formation records U.K.

other djs of the night:
-----------------------

Heather Heart
sonic groove NYC

Bobadub
clubhead records Ohio 
3 turntable set

Hyperactive
contact records

EFEX

The Hardcore Prophecy
10bear and Unibomber

Phantom 45
cha

3D
stepwise records

Damian
revelation tour resident

Madgroove
ibeats

Biobooster
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Bam          615.780.3730
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** ATTN:  Ticket prices for Bassrush have now been lowered to $30 up
through August 31.  Also some tickets will be sold at the door, but not a
lot.

see you all soon

19 More Days!!!!!

star
angela



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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:09:15 -0500
From: Trevor Lamont <trevor88@lex.infi.net>
Organization: Erotic World, God's House Inc., Soul Society Records, Alien Sqad 606
To: Midwest raves list <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>,
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Subject: Back Together - Chicago, Illinois  Aug. 24, 1996



On August 24, 1996  VIBENAUTS  presents  	

BACK TOGETHER

featuring:

Carl Cox - England

Soul Slinger with TC Islam - NY

Atomic Babies - NY

K-Hand - Detroit

Robert Armani - Chicago

Glenn Underground - Chicago

X-ian - Cincinnati

The Professor - St. Louis

Mindrive - Madison

Halo - Chicago

Traxx - Chicago

Justin Long - Chicago

for more info call:312-604-1644
-- 
 
 Peace and Love
 
                       trevor lamont

 God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 For bookings call 1-800-619-9296 or email trevor88@lex.infi.net

 Or call my manager at 615-298-1883 (BAM Management)

 Home page: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/8917/index.html

 House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!     It's for love!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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>>> Well Kudos to Perry Farrell: a sold out Garden State Arts Center

(I'm not going to quote the rest of this ass-kissing nonsense)

> Perry Farrel king profiteer of jumping on the rave scene bandwagon!
> where there'll be big bucks, Perry and the rest of the commercial
> leeches like Camel and the rest of the big name sponsors will be
> there. but when the shit hit the fan, like in cleveland and pittsburgh,
> Perry wuz nowhere to be found!
> 
> ready or not folks, commercialism is here...it's the end of the
> world as we know it...and i feel fine...

Disgusting, but true, and definately worthy of discussion on the list. In 
retrospect, the huge "Organic 96" rave-thing was completely commercial 
crap... ticketmaster, clueless security, no attention paid to small 
details like the human need for water (they were selling it, which almost 
seems normal now, but they RAN OUT and there was no water anywhere), 75% 
of the money came from evil alterna-giant KROQ-radio in LA and apparently 
also to a group of cops, to keep it from getting busted. Now ENIT is 
being thrown in the EXACT same location, they've had so many problems in 
other cities there are only 5 or 6 US dates (or so I've been told), and 
Farrell has an ego huge enough to put his completely nontechno rock band 
on the list as a major act. Aphex twin, Chemical Brothers, and others 
have all been spotted on recent TV commercials.... the mainstreaming of 
techno is happening FAST, and unless we all think before we act, our 
whole scene, and all of its family members, is going to be eaten alive by 
the mass media engine and a nation of people who will drool on thier shoe 
if instructed to by thier television/brainsucker devices. 

I'd like to hear from promoters: as techno and raves become vastly more 
popular in the next twelve months, will you make any attempts at 
resistance? Fascist door policies? Smaller/less attention-drawing flyers? 
Refusal of corporate sponsorship?

-gage

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeff Gage                                   http://www.hyperreal.com/~gage
mailto:gage@hyperreal.com                        voicephone://217-344-3957
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:31:42 -0500
From: Trevor Lamont <trevor88@lex.infi.net>
Organization: Erotic World, God's House Inc., Soul Society Records, Alien Sqad 606
To: Midwest raves list <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>,
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Subject: Spooked:  Oct. 26, 1996  St. Louis



on October 26, 1996  BAM, VIBENAUTS, AND LIL' JUNE presents:

SPOOKED

***************in St. Louis, Missouri*********************************

The Stickmen - Toronto

Paul Johnson - Chicago

Trevor Lamont - Lexington

Jay Goodwill - New Jersey (formally of Delaware)

the rest TBA - STAY TUNED

for more info call
BAM - 615-780-3730
VIBENAUTS - 312-604-1644

This WILL be an event.  Get ready Midwest.  These are some of the most
consistant production companies in the midwest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-- 
 
 Peace and Love
 
                       trevor lamont

 God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 For bookings call 1-800-619-9296 or email trevor88@lex.infi.net

 Or call my manager at 615-298-1883 (BAM Management)

 Home page: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/8917/index.html

 House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!     It's for love!!!
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Subject: Bobby's World:  Nashville : Nov. 2, 1996



On November 2, 1996 SUNDOWNERS presents:

BOBBY'S WORLD

featuring:

Paul Johnson                       Feelgood
Dancemania, Chicago                Fever, Baltimore

Trevor Lamont                      Chip B
Erotic World, God's House Inc.     Nashville
Lexington

Lary Breaks                        Justin Long
BAM, Nashville                     BAM, Chicago

Astroboy                           Jason Tart
St. Louis                          St. Louis

M                                  Bao Le Huu
Nashville                          Orlando

Rich Huber                         Mike B. Linney
Nashville                          Louisianna

Samm-E                             Jace
Chattanooga                        Nashville

Pipe bombs, car jacking, gang violence, the list goes on.  Join us for
one night, a night without hatred, a night where nothing will go wrong. 
At Bobby's World, Halloween is celebrated the right way.  We supply the
candy, you supply the costume.

COME BOGIE DOWN WITH BOBBY, IN HIS MYTICAL PLAYGROUND.

$15.00 at the door
All ages 8pm to midnight
18+ midnight to 8am

for info call:  615-780-3761  for vending info call 615-353-9104
 
 Peace and Love
 
                       trevor lamont
 God's House Inc. and Soul Society Records
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 For bookings call 1-800-619-9296 or email trevor88@lex.infi.net

 Or call my manager at 615-298-1883 (BAM Management)

 Home page: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/8917/index.html

 House is a feeling!!!     I love that feeling!!!     It's for love!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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Subject: the zone



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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996 Toymasheen@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-08-19 13:46:26 EDT, you write:
> 
> <<  I mean we could have added lots of
>  big-names and charged $30 or so. >>
> If the DJ's donated their time, why would you have to charge so much?  Other
> than the airline ticket, they aren't even charging a fee for their services!!
>  I remember a time not too long ago when IO was the legendary FREE party
> which rocked the whole midwest's world.  
> 
With a few very noteworthy exceptions big name DJS DON'T donate their
services.  As for IO being free, you find me some willing to shell out
$35,000 for a free event and I will put it together for them.  To provide
the kind of setting, atmosphere, technical and legal details necessary for
an event of this size requires LOTS of cash.  It cannot be done for less.
tim



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Aug 19 20:43:19 1996
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what?

?????????

i suppose i should stop talking now that i know that you are friends with the
dj and have been "doing this for a long time".....

distorted levals, a mixing style?   please!  i'm sorry ms. old school, but
i don't know of any dj who purposely distorts levels as part of a mixing stlye...there are many who just don't care about levels and pump it up regardless, but not purposely....

as for intelligence, i could pick out any of the tracks he played that night
and safely say that you knew the entire atrack after hearing the first 20
seconds...the fact that the kick drum is smoother and the prescence of 
a lone synth line with reverb, to me, isn't any more intelligent then some
guy repeating "dirty low slut tramp bitch ho" over and over again..however, i find the latter much more humorous :)    

whatever the case may be, it is ovvious that we have different tastes and that
this debate will bnever be resolved, but i do not appreciate that you feel
the need to express that your "evolution" has surpassed mine..that is just
unneccesary...as a matter of fact, rude.

i hope i don't  become pompous after i am "doing doing this for a long time"...

have a nice day...

--jeff/stuff (that guy)

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Aug 19 20:46:00 1996
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tim sed ...
> With a few very noteworthy exceptions big name DJS DON'T donate their
>  services.  As for IO being free, you find me some willing to shell out
>  $35,000 for a free event and I will put it together for them.  To provide
>  the kind of setting, atmosphere, technical and legal details necessary for
>  an event of this size requires LOTS of cash.  It cannot be done for less.
>  tim
>  
first, i want to say that io3 was wonderful and i think evolution does some
really good stuff, and i'll give them props for doing their best.  but i
think also that they should tak some of the advice that has been thrown out
thus far.
with that said ...

i know this is a low blow and i don't think tim or frenche are going to be
very happy with me for saying this, but i know three thousand dollars
happened to be completely wasted this weekend on io3:  the laser that never
was.
i know it's a sooper neat thing to have, but is it necessary?  io3 was most
definitely the best party i've ever been to (granted that number is not
incredibly numerous) and i didn't even know that there was going to be a
laser until i found out it wasn't.

i also agree with what was said about the number of stages and the number of
dj's and length of sets.  i know at lest one dj that almost got into a fight
because he came a really long way and was told that he was only spinning for
an hour.   i mean, aside from the dj's that i totally missed and wanted to
see (most of them netters) the one's that i did manage to see and hear and
dance to and enjoy were incredible and i would have totally loved it if their
set was 2 or even three hours.  i know that dj's totally love doing sets that
long too.  i've heard it said so many times that an hour is no where near
enough time to throw down one's proverbial shit.

ok, i have to go now .... i am being booted by my source of negative energy
... :)

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

ps.  sorry if i pissed anyone off (ie. tim or frenche or even chip) but, ya
know, these words are only worth about $0.02   ...   =)

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Aug 19 22:01:59 1996
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    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: scast3+@pitt.edu (Stephanie C Alarcon)
    To: raver187@m-net.arbornet.org (Joe LeSesne)
    Cc: vicnot@igc.net, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com
    Subject: Re: Where is everyone???
    Date: Mon, 19 Aug

    
    > I'm here (back from IO3 which was Awesome). I played a live set of 
    > intelligent ambient alien jungle right before the guy from the SETI 
    > Institute spoke. So far as I know the URL for that page is:
    
    Word, kids. I'll have a review of that time period in particular,which was 
    absolutely one of the best blocks of time throughout the party.  But I'm 
    not going to post it now b/c it was so [hard to find an adjective for] 
    that I want to take some time to do it justice.
    
    I've lost my voice...that gives you a clue as to what my weekend was 
    like.  :)
    
    Cheers and coughdrops, steph
    
    

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on Sunday, August 25th, Psychoactive and Spawntaneous team up to bring you...



       spinning a marathon 5 hour set...   
                             
                                        LAURENT GARNIER  (paris, france)


       warmin up and tearin down dj':  SLEEPY C (AVA, Defininitive, Communique)

                                       GANK (spawntaneous)



     10pm-6am    $10

                             216.779.7188

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To: "Davis J. Bassan B.S." <frenche@iglou.com>
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>Other than the attendence, we could have not asked for a better event.
>I am very disappoint in those who chose not to attend because of the lack
>of the mega-headliners.  All of the djs at IO were highly talented, with
>several of them headed for that mega headliner status in the future.  All
>of the DJS donoted their time and services for this event and they deserve
>our thanks and yours.  We decided to devote our efforts to make the best
>possible event from a space and technical stand point.  All the equipment
>and labor was donoted as well.  It is unfortunate that so many people
>chose not to appreciate our efforts in that regard.
>
>So I will pose a question to you.  What do you want from the next
>Interstallar, if there is one.  I mean we could have added lots of
>big-names and charged $30 or so.  Is that what you want?  Even at $20 we
>still lost heavily.  We weren't going to make money in any event, but had
>hoped not to have to pay for all the bills out of our own pockets on top
>of donating our time and equipment.  So we are asking you what you want?


the opinions herein are not those of FreeBass Collective/Network 10
Productions but of bLiTz personally:

in my opinion this sounds like a promoter trying to cover his ass for a
party that didn't amount to shit as far planning, promoting, and bigger
name talent.....as far as planning and promoting it was only about 2 weeks
prior to IO3 that i even saw a flyer for it and the flyer was very poorly
designed.....on the back where JJ wrote his little speil, which amounted to
nothing in my opinion, from about 6 inches away at a glance looked like a
white block with black dots, christ you needed a 50x magnifying glass to
read it.....you only have yourselves to blame for the attendance issue as a
result of lack of promoting ability as there really were no other big or
medium events in the midwest that weekend

as far saying you would have to pay $30 for big name djs this is a complete
crock of shit.....tell me then how Drop Bass threw Even Further this year
for a whole day longer than IO3, had DJs from all over the world and the US
including probably on of the top five biggest DJs Mixmaster Morris, put up
two weather protected stages plus allowed basically anyone who wanted to
bring a sound system bring it, and also paid for Badger to bring their
sound system there with lighting (an expense which you did not have as you
used your own sound and lighting), had a giant laser plus also the next
night a fireworks show, and a sufficient location and still on top of all
that made a lot of money

i could go on but why bother......again in my opinion i truly believe that
IO3 was a sham and as far as losing money either someone is FULL OF SHIT or
you are poor promoters

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The following is a long and pissed off rebuttle of some slanderous remarks
made by blitz.  It is by its nature quite personal.  However, since blitz
chose to post publically, I shall do the same.  If you do not like reading
flames or negative posts please delete this message immediately.


*****************warning flame-able material below************************


On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, bLiTz being the blithering idiot that he is wrote:

> in my opinion this sounds like a promoter trying to cover his ass for a
> party that didn't amount to shit as far planning, promoting, and bigger
> name talent.....
AH yes the extreme ignorance that blitz has continually shown over the
course of his stay on mw-raves shines through once again.  First off, this
was one the best planned events ever in the midwest.  I know of no other
promotional team that could have pulled off this event.  We had the finest
site ever used for an outdoor event in midwest.  We had the complete
cooperation of the local authorites.  (Who else commands enough respect
that when the local police department gets dozens on noise complaints,
they say fuck the neighbors let the kids have fun.  Well, actually they
the hell with them but you get my drift.)  If this event was so poorly
planned, why did the city of louisville offer the use of the site at
anytime in the future.  In fact, the City of Louisville THANKED US FOR
HAVING A RAVE ON THEIR PROPERTY, who else could manage that feat.  Also,
the SETI institute, a major research foundation, was proud to be a part of
this event and expressed great satisfaction with the us (btw, Dr.
shostak likes jungle, he though 187's pa was great.)

Next, we have the promotion issue.  Was the party promoted really late,
yes.  Did that cost us a lot of people certainly.  Did we know that before
hand, yes.  Did we do the party anyway, obviously.  Why?  Because we
believed that the IO tradition should not die, that it is a vital part of
the midwest scene and should not be allowed to not happen.  Why were the
flyers so late?  Simple, due to cancellations, non-payments, and busts
(all of which are usually indicative of poor production.) Maxximum,
Evolution, ImSmartRU, and Utopia all suffered heavy losses this summer
resulting in a cash shortage.  Given IO's history of being a financial
disaster, we should have not done it, but we believe in it and went ahead
with it.  The result was, as is normal for IO, an incredible party that
lost a lot of money.  

Then we come to talent.  IO is not about gigantic names.  Could we have
gotten mega talent?  Of course.  Evolution events (of which IO was not
one) have always featured the finest talent in the world.  Who else has
brought Spicelab, David Morales (even if he is a complete asshole),
Dougal, Clarkee, Mikey B, with many others coming in the future, in
addition to the best the US has to offer.  We chose not to book these
types of acts.  The only large name we serious approached was the ORB who
we thought would be ideal for IO but were unavailbe for the dates of IO. 
Instead we chose to feature outstand djs who were committed to the spirit
of IO and represented a cross section the midwest and the us as a whole.
musically I was quite please with IO.


as far as planning and promoting it was only about 2 weeks
> prior to IO3 that i even saw a flyer for it and the flyer was very poorly
> designed.....on the back where JJ wrote his little speil, which amounted to
> nothing in my opinion, from about 6 inches away at a glance looked like a
> white block with black dots, christ you needed a 50x magnifying glass to
> read it.....you only have yourselves to blame for the attendance issue as a
> result of lack of promoting ability as there really were no other big or
> medium events in the midwest that weekend
> 
Obviously, promotion was a problem.  As stated before the flyers were very
late, I usually do at least a 6 week promotion usually more.  As for the
flyer design, IO is JJ's brainchild and the long text piece on the back is
a tradition.  I can't say thats the way I would have done it but thats how
JJ wanted it.  If you couldn't extract anything from it then perhaps you
need to examine your own intellectual capcity or lack thereof.


> as far saying you would have to pay $30 for big name djs this is a complete
> crock of shit.....tell me then how Drop Bass threw Even Further this year
> for a whole day longer than IO3, had DJs from all over the world and the US
> including probably on of the top five biggest DJs Mixmaster Morris, put up
> two weather protected stages plus allowed basically anyone who wanted to
> bring a sound system bring it, and also paid for Badger to bring their
> sound system there with lighting (an expense which you did not have as you
> used your own sound and lighting), had a giant laser plus also the next
> night a fireworks show, and a sufficient location and still on top of all
> that made a lot of money
> 
The budgets of Furthur and IO were very similar in total but not in
detail.   The two parties are very dissimilar in style and philosophy.
Kurt and I have the utmost respect for each other.  We just do different
style parties.  Even not counting the donation of over $8000 worth of
equipment, IO had a larger technical budget than furthur.  So, we spent
almost as much money on Technical and Logistics as Furthur did on the
entire party.  So, if we added a Bassrush size talent pool that would be
another $16,000 plus added to the budget.  Divide that by expected
attendence and you see that you need to charge another $7-$10 dollars.
Before anyone tries to distort the above statements, let me state for the
record that I was not saying the slightest thing bad about Furthur.  I
thought all of the furthurs were incredible events and were extremely well
produced.  Kurt and I simply apply different methods of production which I
highlighted due to blitz drawing the inevitable comparisons.   




> i could go on but why bother......again in my opinion i truly believe that
> IO3 was a sham and as far as losing money either someone is FULL OF SHIT or
> you are poor promoters


ahhh, poor little blitzie is still pissed because we turned down his
little rickety radio shack, battery powered sorry excuse for a sound
system.  (actually I never heard your sound system but what the hell this
a flame).  

From:   bLiTz
Sent:   Monday, August 12, 1996 5:10 PM
To:     Davis Bassan
Subject:        Re: more on IO3

 	 >Another system has been added and of course more DJ's
 	 >
	>Total of 4 systems, 103 DJ / Live acts
>	
	>French E / Tim


	you know this is really really fukked as i asked you guyz if we could
	bring our FreeBass sound system down and you guyz turned us down


We made a asthetic choice not to have numerous sound systems and blitz was
annoyed that we chose not to use his.  This is in likelyhood the
motivation behind his posts.   Also, we have a long history of agreeing to
disagree and as usual blitz gets the shit end again.

flame mode off.  you were warned.  hopefully everyone but blitz who read
this paid  attention to the serious stuff and had a good laugh at blitz's
expense during the flamage.


tim



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 > 
 > KK: NO FUCKING WAY - this country is ARMED TO THE TEETH

 i dont think you understood what i was saying....yes we are armed to the
teeth, we have the most advanced weapond and military in the world, but if
someone say some middle eastern country decided to launch a nuke at new york
city, we would have no way of stoppong it....we have the technology to, but no
funds to set it up, we would have a few minutes to try and take cover and then
*poof* a quarter million people are dead and the largest center of economic
activity in the u.s. is gone, sure, the u.s. would retailiate possibly with a
nuke or maybe something else, with out a doubt we would wipe 'em out, but then
you get allies involved and then L.A is gone, or possibly omaha. by the the
time you take into consideration the mass panic, looting, instant crash of the
economic system, all forms of telecommunications stopping, electriccity out,
law enforcement gone, nuclear winter, shortage of food....ect ect.. it doesent
really matter anymore how many weapons we have, it doesent matter if the
military is kicking ass and still operating, within a day we could be brought
to our knees, reduced to a third world country, maybee even a fourth and it
would take years and years for us to recover.  thats what i mean by being
brough to our knees, it can be done, if we would invest in missile defense we
wouldn't have to worry about it


 > KK: who do we rank behind?..ment gone, nuclear winter, shortage of food....ect ect.. it doesent
really matter anymore how many weapons we have, it doesent matter if the
military is kicking ass and still operating, within a day we could be brought
to our knees, reduced to a third world country, maybee even a fourth and it
would take years and years for us to recover.  thats what i mean by being
brough to our knees, it can be done, if we would invest in missile defense we
wouldn't have to worry about it


 > KK: who do we rank behind?... antarctica?


i don't know the exact order and names but we are topped by many euopeean and
south american countries, and for your information antarctica is not a
country....just thought i would point that out


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sure raves are becoming commercialized but the underground will continue to
thrive, i had a friend in L.A who would not go to the big commercial raves with
big flyers and big headlining acts, he told me about parties that had 8 map
points and if you didn't get to one of the map points you dont get to the
party, or parties where you had to call the voice mail and leave a message
explaining why you wanted to go to that particular rave, if you had a good
enough reason you got tickets in the mail.
 i have a friend who suggested that small flyers be passed out with nothing but
the name of the party and the info number, and the lineup would not be released
untill you actually got to the rave, he figured that the people who have been
in the scene long enough who really knew what was up would go to a party if
they knew that there would be a 100% positive vibe there and be able to trust
the people throwing the party to choose a good line-up for the night. there are
a lot of small names out there that happen to be very talented.

i think that if people are willing to do this and not make a lot of money, the
underground will not die


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tim some of the statements you have made here truly show what a simple
minded person you are by choosing to use name calling, as well as, again
what i believe to be bullshit reasons to cover your ass for a in my opinion
fukked party....all i was doing in the first place was expressing my
opinion and it had nothing to do with our sound system which i do not see
you doing anything free as far as the scene goes which FreeBass has done
and will continue to do numerous FREE events even if it means losing our
asses because thats the way it should be, FREE!!!......i will not lower
myself to ridiculous name calling as you have and talk shit about your
equipment, because it is not about equipment it is about vibe and you have
shown here you truly have NONE


>The following is a long and pissed off rebuttle of some slanderous remarks
>made by blitz.  It is by its nature quite personal.  However, since blitz
>chose to post publically, I shall do the same.  If you do not like reading
>flames or negative posts please delete this message immediately.
>
>
>*****************warning flame-able material below************************
>
>
>On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, bLiTz being the blithering idiot that he is wrote:
>
>> in my opinion this sounds like a promoter trying to cover his ass for a
>> party that didn't amount to shit as far planning, promoting, and bigger
>> name talent.....
>AH yes the extreme ignorance that blitz has continually shown over the
>course of his stay on mw-raves shines through once again.  First off, this
>was one the best planned events ever in the midwest.  I know of no other
>promotional team that could have pulled off this event.  We had the finest
>site ever used for an outdoor event in midwest.  We had the complete
>cooperation of the local authorites.  (Who else commands enough respect
>that when the local police department gets dozens on noise complaints,
>they say fuck the neighbors let the kids have fun.  Well, actually they
>the hell with them but you get my drift.)  If this event was so poorly
>planned, why did the city of louisville offer the use of the site at
>anytime in the future.  In fact, the City of Louisville THANKED US FOR
>HAVING A RAVE ON THEIR PROPERTY, who else could manage that feat.  Also,
>the SETI institute, a major research foundation, was proud to be a part of
>this event and expressed great satisfaction with the us (btw, Dr.
>shostak likes jungle, he though 187's pa was great.)
>
>Next, we have the promotion issue.  Was the party promoted really late,
>yes.  Did that cost us a lot of people certainly.  Did we know that before
>hand, yes.  Did we do the party anyway, obviously.  Why?  Because we
>believed that the IO tradition should not die, that it is a vital part of
>the midwest scene and should not be allowed to not happen.  Why were the
>flyers so late?  Simple, due to cancellations, non-payments, and busts
>(all of which are usually indicative of poor production.) Maxximum,
>Evolution, ImSmartRU, and Utopia all suffered heavy losses this summer
>resulting in a cash shortage.  Given IO's history of being a financial
>disaster, we should have not done it, but we believe in it and went ahead
>with it.  The result was, as is normal for IO, an incredible party that
>lost a lot of money.
>
>Then we come to talent.  IO is not about gigantic names.  Could we have
>gotten mega talent?  Of course.  Evolution events (of which IO was not
>one) have always featured the finest talent in the world.  Who else has
>brought Spicelab, David Morales (even if he is a complete asshole),
>Dougal, Clarkee, Mikey B, with many others coming in the future, in
>addition to the best the US has to offer.  We chose not to book these
>types of acts.  The only large name we serious approached was the ORB who
>we thought would be ideal for IO but were unavailbe for the dates of IO.
>Instead we chose to feature outstand djs who were committed to the spirit
>of IO and represented a cross section the midwest and the us as a whole.
>musically I was quite please with IO.
>
>
>as far as planning and promoting it was only about 2 weeks
>> prior to IO3 that i even saw a flyer for it and the flyer was very poorly
>> designed.....on the back where JJ wrote his little speil, which amounted to
>> nothing in my opinion, from about 6 inches away at a glance looked like a
>> white block with black dots, christ you needed a 50x magnifying glass to
>> read it.....you only have yourselves to blame for the attendance issue as a
>> result of lack of promoting ability as there really were no other big or
>> medium events in the midwest that weekend
>>
>Obviously, promotion was a problem.  As stated before the flyers were very
>late, I usually do at least a 6 week promotion usually more.  As for the
>flyer design, IO is JJ's brainchild and the long text piece on the back is
>a tradition.  I can't say thats the way I would have done it but thats how
>JJ wanted it.  If you couldn't extract anything from it then perhaps you
>need to examine your own intellectual capcity or lack thereof.
>
>
>> as far saying you would have to pay $30 for big name djs this is a complete
>> crock of shit.....tell me then how Drop Bass threw Even Further this year
>> for a whole day longer than IO3, had DJs from all over the world and the US
>> including probably on of the top five biggest DJs Mixmaster Morris, put up
>> two weather protected stages plus allowed basically anyone who wanted to
>> bring a sound system bring it, and also paid for Badger to bring their
>> sound system there with lighting (an expense which you did not have as you
>> used your own sound and lighting), had a giant laser plus also the next
>> night a fireworks show, and a sufficient location and still on top of all
>> that made a lot of money
>>
>The budgets of Furthur and IO were very similar in total but not in
>detail.   The two parties are very dissimilar in style and philosophy.
>Kurt and I have the utmost respect for each other.  We just do different
>style parties.  Even not counting the donation of over $8000 worth of
>equipment, IO had a larger technical budget than furthur.  So, we spent
>almost as much money on Technical and Logistics as Furthur did on the
>entire party.  So, if we added a Bassrush size talent pool that would be
>another $16,000 plus added to the budget.  Divide that by expected
>attendence and you see that you need to charge another $7-$10 dollars.
>Before anyone tries to distort the above statements, let me state for the
>record that I was not saying the slightest thing bad about Furthur.  I
>thought all of the furthurs were incredible events and were extremely well
>produced.  Kurt and I simply apply different methods of production which I
>highlighted due to blitz drawing the inevitable comparisons.
>
>
>
>
>> i could go on but why bother......again in my opinion i truly believe that
>> IO3 was a sham and as far as losing money either someone is FULL OF SHIT or
>> you are poor promoters
>
>
>ahhh, poor little blitzie is still pissed because we turned down his
>little rickety radio shack, battery powered sorry excuse for a sound
>system.  (actually I never heard your sound system but what the hell this
>a flame).
>
>From:   bLiTz
>Sent:   Monday, August 12, 1996 5:10 PM
>To:     Davis Bassan
>Subject:        Re: more on IO3
>
>         >Another system has been added and of course more DJ's
>         >
>        >Total of 4 systems, 103 DJ / Live acts
>>
>        >French E / Tim
>
>
>        you know this is really really fukked as i asked you guyz if we could
>        bring our FreeBass sound system down and you guyz turned us down
>
>
>We made a asthetic choice not to have numerous sound systems and blitz was
>annoyed that we chose not to use his.  This is in likelyhood the
>motivation behind his posts.   Also, we have a long history of agreeing to
>disagree and as usual blitz gets the shit end again.

how do you determine the shit end......i am happy....you sound as if you aren't

>flame mode off.  you were warned.  hopefully everyone but blitz who read
>this paid  attention to the serious stuff and had a good laugh at blitz's
>expense during the flamage.

i am having a good laugh at you my brother.......denial, anger, and defense
are the first signs of guilt.....i guess that's what you are feeling

hehe haha hehe  ;)  :)  ;P :O

>
>
>tim

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I'm not jumping in to fan the flames at all but ...

A> Tim, that post made you look like a major asshole, and from what I've
read that doesn't seem the case ... however ...

B> MW-Raves has actually been quite flame-free and that's been most pleasant
(I know I'm the last fucker on this list to say this) - but could we kind of
keep it that way for awhile?  Like keep this absolutely pointless ego
petting session to private email or??

C> I'm actually surprised FreeBass was turned down or whatever, because of
their philosophy and what they aparently stand for (throwing free parties,
helping out with free parties, etc.) and what IO is/was suppose to be about.
Calling their shit a rickity-rackety radio shack system is kind of uncalled
for in lieue of what they've been trying to do all summer.

D> Comparing IO to Even Furthur is kind of unfair because of the apparent
cash-centric approach of one versus the other (I know this is going to be
forwarded to Kurt so I will maintain abstraction, draw yer own conclusions).  


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug 20 10:04:48 1996
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Some people made some comment about the lack of so called big name deejays at 
IO3.

IO is not a regular event. it is about music, about people.

How many of you have seen Carlos, Terry Mullan and others big names spin this 
year in the midwest ? (the above names are just exemple, not to be taken as 
negative remark)
a lot...right

How many times have you heard Bliss(Baltimore) , or Kise (new Orleans), Star 
(Chicago), Cylert or Sho.....and so on in the midwest this year ?
We offered you something different....a good mixture of talent from 
everywhere. We gave you a chance to hear some people that you never heard off, 
or not enought.
Why did we have so many dj...it is because they came to show there talent and 
voluntered to do it for you. We could have put over 200 deejays on the bill (I 
personaly received over 130 tapes and I don't know how many Tim got), but 100 
some deejay's was already a logistic nightmare. Personnaly, I will never again 
deal with so many dj's because there are always a few (meaning more than two) 
who will screw things up.

As far the laser is concerned, Centrak's laser was there and set up ready to 
go, but there was one problem, a big lack of amperage. The laser could not 
fire. We tried to get a generator large enough for saturday, but most of the 
business we called, either did not have the gene required or were closed. Yes 
we did check the electrivity in the park...but when we came to set up, we were 
surprised to see a transformer with 3 phase input reducing it to single phase 
on the output. LGE (Louisville Gas and Electrcity) company left the 
transformer locked up and there office were closed.

Now....I want to thank each and every one of you for coming out. This was a 
party to remember...we don't care if I lost money, we were happy to see every 
one enjoy a great weekend and we made still made a donation to the SETI 
institute despite our loss. 

Btw, Dr Shostack loved it. at the beginning, he said : "I don't think I can 
get into this type of music"...on his way the airport, after a two people told 
what type of music was played at parties, he said : "I like Trance"


On this note, once again, thank you    :)

French E (still enable to walk, due to worn out knees)

PS : I like to also thank the two girls that practised random kindness by 
bringing me food and drinks. 

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ok, its definately not rave related, but I thought it was interesting.  
I read this funky document last night (a little too technical for me to 
understand fully, the stuff was all about quantum mechanics and weird 
things) that said that scientists have documented the existance of 
parallel universes.  Also, it said that before the big bang there was a 
10 dimensional universe (a somewhat accepted theory says the paper), 
and that it somehow ripped into our 4th dimensional universe, and a 6th 
dimensional one.  The 6th collapsed on itself and ours expanded and 
exploded in the big bang.  So they say there's this 6th dimensional 
place that exists everywhere, but at the same time is too small to see. 
 Weird stuff.  OK, on to another interesting thing.  I don't know what 
the hell this other paper was talking about, but it mentioned the 
documented existance of other universes called, shit I don't remember, 
it starts wiht an X though :). Anyway, *supposedly*, as this paper 
says, there's some universes where time runs backwards, where texas 
never seperated from mexico, etc.  I have no clue if that's true (I 
kind of doubt it), but it seemed funky.  So what's the point???  Well, 
if parallel dimensions do exists, like Einstein and others believe(d), 
wouldn't it also mean that its possible for other intelligent life to 
exist there also?  And couldn't that partially explain some UFO 
phenomenom (maybe??)?  I don't know, just a wild guess.  Let me know 
what you think.  If you want to know where that document is, let me 
know and I'll check the URL again.

-Jeff W

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Well, 
If one accepts the theories of parallel dimensions and such that you 
sorta gave an abstract of, it still doesn't necessarily lead to the 
conclusion that there is other intelligent life.  After all, if these 
ufo's and aliens come from these other dimensions, then they must not 
only have the knowledge of how to cross space, but also time/dimension.

I'm not arguing against the possibility of ufo's/aliens, however the 
conclusion that you drew from what you read doesn't logically follow.

-Jason

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On 8/20/96, blarfunkular (monica.owens@boardwalk.com) amazingly wrote the
following tezzagipshunt:


thats what i mean by being
>brough to our knees, it can be done, if we would invest in missile defense we
>wouldn't have to worry about it


        We already have one.  It doesn't work so well,  accuracy-wise (look
at the gulf war) but their contigincey for that is to place a -small-
nuclear warhead in the missile and do an air-burst near the incomming MIRV.
They would probably use a small neutron warhead, that way, damage to the
ground would be minimal, posible non-existant.  A hell of a lot better than
the loss of New York.


        Yow.. way off topic.  sorry all.







                                               -jp

                                               <incessantly lulling.>
                                               <randomly stimulating>



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> explaining why you wanted to go to that particular rave, if you had a good
> enough reason you got tickets in the mail.

That's a pretty good idea- in fact, if the MInneapolis Idea Project ever
gets around to putting on the free party that we're dreaming of, I'd like
to do it that way!  Hell, it might be semi-elitism, but in minneapolis
there are a lot of people i'd rather not see at a party...

> in the scene long enough who really knew what was up would go to a party if
> they knew that there would be a 100% positive vibe there and be able to trust

This idea might work in the really big cities, but I dont know of anywhere
in the midwest where it would work well enough. Once again, it's a cool
concept though.

okay, I have some stuff to say about commercializing raves, but I want to
get all my thoughts together and do it in a stand-alone post. 

chris e

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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Professor Earache wrote:

> I'm not jumping in to fan the flames at all but ...
> 
> A> Tim, that post made you look like a major asshole, and from what I've
> read that doesn't seem the case ... however ...

As for that post, there were two parts to it.  First there was a serious
attempt to rebutt the accusations.  I hope everyone read those parts
carefully.  Second, there was a fair amount of flamable material directed
towards blitz personally.  Normally I don't post material like that but
blitz chose to attempt to humilate us publically so I reponded in kind.  I
even posted a warning label so that anyone who didn't want to be exposed
to the unpleasantness wouldn't have to be.  I was extremely angery that
anyone would post such uninformed drivel.  Blitz does not know what we are
about.  To my knowledge he has never attended an Evolution or Maxximum
event.  He therefore has knowledge on which to base his opinions.







> 
> B> MW-Raves has actually been quite flame-free and that's been most pleasant
> (I know I'm the last fucker on this list to say this) - but could we kind of
> keep it that way for awhile?  Like keep this absolutely pointless ego
> petting session to private email or??

I would have been glad to have kept it private.  I wasn't the one that
posted to the list I merely responded to blitz keeping all cc's intact.  I
thought that everyone exposed to his post should see a rebuttal and warned
them that there was flame stuff therein.



> 
> C> I'm actually surprised FreeBass was turned down or whatever, because of
> their philosophy and what they aparently stand for (throwing free parties,
> helping out with free parties, etc.) and what IO is/was suppose to be about.
> Calling their shit a rickity-rackety radio shack system is kind of uncalled
> for in lieue of what they've been trying to do all summer.
> 
Freebass was turned down for a very simple reason.  IO has never had nor
was it intended to have extra sound systems.  This was an aesthetic
decision made by JJ the first IO.  He quite pointedly told us that many
people would be offering sound systems and that IO traditionally had not
accepted these systems.  This was merely a design decision.  I tossed in
the system comment because it was a flame plain and simple.  I even stated
parenthetically that I had never heard their system that I only put that
in for my amusement and to relieve some of the intense anger that I felt
over blitz's post.




> D> Comparing IO to Even Furthur is kind of unfair because of the apparent
> cash-centric approach of one versus the other (I know this is going to be
> forwarded to Kurt so I will maintain abstraction, draw yer own conclusions).  
> 
I am not sure what you meaning is here.  There are a couple of possible
interpretations of the above statements given the wording.  If you could
clarify this statement I could respond to it better.  As I stated before I
have nothing but respect for Kurt and think he has done more for the
midwest scene than any other individual.

anyway, feel free to respond publically or privately.  I will answer any
questions that you have.

tim



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> it starts wiht an X though :). Anyway, *supposedly*, as this paper 
> says, there's some universes where time runs backwards, where texas 
> never seperated from mexico, etc.  I have no clue if that's true (I 
> kind of doubt it), but it seemed funky.  So what's the point???  Well, 

I'm not too knowledgable in the area of quantum mechanics, but we touched
on this subject very very briefly in my chaos theory class last year.  

I'll try to tell it this way- if it makes sense, I'll be quite proud of
myself.  You have a cat in a box.  This cat has enough air food and water
to stay alive indefinitely (this is a theoretical cat, obviously) BUT,
there's some kind of device hooked up to a radioactive isotope, so that if
a certain atom decays, it will set off the device and kill the cat. Now,
the cat's in this box and the device is in the box and you close the box.
THere's absolutely NO WAY of monitoring what's going on inside the box.
So, as soon as you open the box, the cat is either alive or dead, right?
But before you open the box, the cat's in a state of being both alive and
dead. That's Schrodinger's cat.  Here's where the paralell universes ccome
in. You open the box, and right at that instant, the universe splits.  In
one universe, the cat's dead. In the other universe, the cat's alive.  

Kinda hard to swallow, I suppose.  But I guess some papers are very
convincing and have their theories down really well.

> know and I'll check the URL again.

please do!


(wondering if the 'me' in a paralell universe has a girlfriend...)
chris e

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					Mark Dienger
					gsammd@noctrl.edu


On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote:

> 
> have all been spotted on recent TV commercials.... the mainstreaming of 
> techno is happening FAST, and unless we all think before we act, our 
> whole scene, and all of its family members, is going to be eaten alive by 
> the mass media engine and a nation of people who will drool on thier shoe 
> if instructed to by thier television/brainsucker devices. 
> 
> I'd like to hear from promoters: as techno and raves become vastly more 
> popular in the next twelve months, will you make any attempts at 
> resistance? Fascist door policies? Smaller/less attention-drawing flyers? 
> Refusal of corporate sponsorship

all i got to say to this is What?

who cares if "raves" and techno are darwing in more people and are 
becoming more popular. as long as it is presented in such a way that 
creates an atmosphere true to the music. 


The scene should not be sucked dry for cash and exploited and i do 
not believe mr. farrell is doing either. and ENIT is not a rave. it is a 
festiaval of music and techno is one of the many forms that have been 
spotlighted. if u are unhappy with this blame the acts for exposing 
their music. Perry is just trying to do something different and fun for 
kids

-Mark Dienger

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>On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Professor Earache wrote:
>
>> I'm not jumping in to fan the flames at all but ...
>>
>> A> Tim, that post made you look like a major asshole, and from what I've
>> read that doesn't seem the case ... however ...
>
>As for that post, there were two parts to it.  First there was a serious
>attempt to rebutt the accusations.  I hope everyone read those parts
>carefully.  Second, there was a fair amount of flamable material directed
>towards blitz personally.  Normally I don't post material like that but
>blitz chose to attempt to humilate us publically so I reponded in kind.  I
>even posted a warning label so that anyone who didn't want to be exposed
>to the unpleasantness wouldn't have to be.  I was extremely angery that
>anyone would post such uninformed drivel.  Blitz does not know what we are
>about.  To my knowledge he has never attended an Evolution or Maxximum
>event.  He therefore has knowledge on which to base his opinions.

i do have knowledge on which to base my opinions....they are based on
people that sis attend and from what you have said on here and the
outcome......if you lose your ass on a party where all the talent was
donated, the sound and lighting was donated and you still charged $20 it is
my personal observation that you are a POOR PROMOTER, END OF STORY!!!  this
is a personal observation, not a flame nor a humilitory statement and not
even slanderous....if it is slanderous fukkin SUE ME!!!  i am not the only
one, but one of many that feels this way but the only one who has come
forward and said something



>> B> MW-Raves has actually been quite flame-free and that's been most pleasant
>> (I know I'm the last fucker on this list to say this) - but could we kind of
>> keep it that way for awhile?  Like keep this absolutely pointless ego
>> petting session to private email or??
>
>I would have been glad to have kept it private.  I wasn't the one that
>posted to the list I merely responded to blitz keeping all cc's intact.  I
>thought that everyone exposed to his post should see a rebuttal and warned
>them that there was flame stuff therein.


oh but it is fine for you to publicly include somthing that was sent to you
earlier in private e-mail to try to throw the blame off the poor event
>
>>
>> C> I'm actually surprised FreeBass was turned down or whatever, because of
>> their philosophy and what they aparently stand for (throwing free parties,
>> helping out with free parties, etc.) and what IO is/was suppose to be about.
>> Calling their shit a rickity-rackety radio shack system is kind of uncalled
>> for in lieue of what they've been trying to do all summer.
>>
>Freebass was turned down for a very simple reason.  IO has never had nor
>was it intended to have extra sound systems.  This was an aesthetic
>decision made by JJ the first IO.  He quite pointedly told us that many
>people would be offering sound systems and that IO traditionally had not
>accepted these systems.  This was merely a design decision.  I tossed in
>the system comment because it was a flame plain and simple.  I even stated
>parenthetically that I had never heard their system that I only put that
>in for my amusement and to relieve some of the intense anger that I felt
>over blitz's post.


why was not Drop Bass, Dynamic Groove, and whoever else had a system there
turned down?????  i asked about bringing a sound system prior to the very
first posts about IO3 planning....i asked when you were still asking what
dj's everyone wanted to hear.......you should really quit contradicting
yourself by saying that IO doesn't have extra sound systems


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ok, i just wanted to examine something...In st louis, on october 26th, 96,
Bam, Vibenauts, and lil june are throwing SPOOKED.

djs include - toronto, chicago, lexington, and new jersey.
voice mails include - 615 and 312 (NOT 314)

Now i'm really confused.  Trevor, you are great and all, but did you
mean to write "st louis" as the location for this party?!  None
of the promotional crews are from st louis.  None of the djs are
from st louis.  And there isnt even an info line for st louis that
you dont have to dial long distance to reach!!!!!

What on earth is going on here?!  Why do all these crews want to
throw this party in st louis?  it isnt even a st louis party!              
It certainly has a st louis type of lineup with the stickmen and
trevor, they draw crowds in that city.  It still doesnt make
any sense. 

---Cylert

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People....
	This is sounding like the late 70's disco scene. Yes...there will 
be the crossover element (even The Rolling Stones did disco 
remixes for christ's sake!).....HOWEVER..the core of the scene can 
still keep it underground. There's a hell of alot better chance of that 
happening than there was 20 years ago.
	Let the sellouts go and everyone else can keep it real...just 
don't follow the sellouts. Smaller, better parties are the key...you know 
where they are and who to tell.....keep the vibe alive and we'll all get 
out of this thing alive! 

Peas,
Pete

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monica sed:
=================================================================              
sure raves are becoming commercialized but the underground will continue to
thrive, i had a friend in L.A who would not go to the big commercial raves with
big flyers and big headlining acts, he told me about parties that had 8 map
points and if you didn't get to one of the map points you dont get to the
party, or parties where you had to call the voice mail and leave a message
explaining why you wanted to go to that particular rave, if you had a good
enough reason you got tickets in the mail.
 i have a friend who suggested that small flyers be passed out with nothing but
the name of the party and the info number, and the lineup would not be released
untill you actually got to the rave, he figured that the people who have been
in the scene long enough who really knew what was up would go to a party if
they knew that there would be a 100% positive vibe there and be able to trust
the people throwing the party to choose a good line-up for the night. there are
a lot of small names out there that happen to be very talented.
i think that if people are willing to do this and not make a lot of money, the
underground will not die
==================================================================     

the 8 map point idea may have worked in the old skool daze, but
the ravers of today are pretty clueless as far as directions
(stevie remembering all the ravers that got lost on the way to
Limbo in cleveland, Love Bomb in delaware, and all the ravers
who got lost on the way BACK from Sickness - talk about children
lost in the corn!) and have way too much attitude to deal w/
8 map points. plus after driving 6 hours from cleveland, the last
thing i wanna deal w/ is 8 map points to further drain my gas money
fundage!

the small flyer w/ nothing but the info # wuz done here in cleveland
the party wuz a flop. nobody is stoopid enuff to go to a party w/o
atleast a line-up list.

actually i don't think commercialization will be that bad. partys 
definitely will not get busted. performers will definitely be paid
and a decent pay check @ that. it will weed out all the shadiness,
which is what's really killing the scene. and you will finally be
able to see more for yur money. and if the party doesn't go thru,
u will get yur money back.

i do have a problem w/ producers who back out w/ their partners.
leaving their partners to clean up their mess. as Perry did in 
Cleveland and Pittsburgh.


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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, bLiTz wrote:

> tim some of the statements you have made here truly show what a simple
> minded person you are by choosing to use name calling, as well as, again
> what i believe to be bullshit reasons to cover your ass for a in my opinion
> fukked party....all i was doing in the first place was expressing my
> opinion and it had nothing to do with our sound system which i do not see
> you doing anything free as far as the scene goes which FreeBass has done
> and will continue to do numerous FREE events even if it means losing our
> asses because thats the way it should be, FREE!!!......i will not lower
> myself to ridiculous name calling as you have and talk shit about your
> equipment, because it is not about equipment it is about vibe and you have
> shown here you truly have NONE
> 
Once again blitz shows no clue as to the facts.  As for the party being
fucked, how come the majority of people attended thought the event was one
of the best they had ever attended, with numerous listing it as THE best
event ever.  I do not know of a single person who attended who had a bad
time.  The vibe was thick all weekend.  Some of the dj's got miffed at
their time slots, oh well, sorry.  There was a power problem.  Those are
the only two problems all weekend.

As for vibe, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.  There are two places in
the midwest where you can consistantly find a strong vibe.  Wisconson and
Kentucky.  Why, because thats where you have promoters who give a shit
about the scene.  DBN and Erotishock in wis. and JJ and us in KY.  You
mention free parties.  Yes you seem to have done a few.  How many.  We
have done ~15 this year alone.  How many major parties have you done where
you have charged $5-10 less than you should have because you love the
scene and want to keep it as inexpensive as possible for everyone?  Every
party we do is like that.

tim



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mindkiss sed:
=================================================================   
>.i think quite a few
>clevelanders ended up going to Summer of Love '96 in Toronto, cuz i
>did recieve flyers for that party.

not a clevelander (as you know) but close enough.  i went to sol in
toronto, and let me tell you...  the party rocked!  <----- as close to a
review as you'll get from me.  but, dubtribe!!!!  so much unity!  i can't
even describe it.  i saw a whole bunch of akron kids, but i didn't see too
many clevelanders... but then i'm not as close with the cleveland
tribe (no reference to baseball ;) as i am with the akron tribe... suddenly
i wonder why that is.

peace,
darrik
================================================================== 

dats cuz i put out flyers for it in the akron area too!
dontcha remember me dropping off all those flyers @
DEFORMED in youngstown right before you, me, dj stuff, &
friends went to that all night diner! but there wuz definitely
a buncha clevelanders there cuz the kids who asked if i wuz doing
a bus trip to IO again this year all ended up going to Summer
of Love '96 when they found out i wuzn't cuz Toronto is closer
than Louisville & the party wuz cheaper also. plus Dose always
throws phat partys w/ a quality line-up & attendance well over
the 2500 kids range.

speakin o dj stuff, i wanna point out that the opinions of mr. stern
are those of jeff's and jeff's only and do not represent those of 
the entire cleveland ravah population...i personally like DJ Daemon
from San Diego. i thought his set @ ONE in columbus wuz one of the
best sets in the second room @ that party...but that is of course
my opinion.

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In a message dated 96-08-20 08:11:04 EDT, you write:

<< i have a friend who suggested that small flyers be passed out with nothing
but
 the name of the party and the info number, and the lineup would not be
released
 untill you actually got to the rave, he figured that the people who have
been
 in the scene long enough who really knew what was up would go to a party if
 they knew that there would be a 100% positive vibe there and be able to
trust
 the people throwing the party to choose a good line-up for the night. there
are
 a lot of small names out there that happen to be very talented.
  >>

I think that's a pretty good idea, but I'll have to also say that the midwest
is simply too big to do that.  I live in KY and if I decided one weekend that
I wanted to go to a party in Champaign where I got another flyer with nothing
but the number and name for a party in  Mnpls I would have absolutely no clue
whether or not I would want to go to that party.  Not living around that area
I don't know anything about the promoters or the vibe of the ppl.  That whole
idea prolly works the best where there is a massive scene aka. LA, Chicago,
Detroit. 
 
However, I also do fully agree that the scene most definitely is getting
larger and although there is nothing wrong with that we must make sure the
scene stays true.  Sometimes I wonder what it is exactly about the rave
culture which is so magnetic and draws me so powerfully to the events time
and time again. I think we all go thru that once in a while.  Where we brood
over what being a raver means and symbolizes and how choosing this lifestyle
says specific things about us.  However lately I feel like I've reached my
saturation point for absorbing the scene. I know it's not that I am sick of
the music, or the dancing or the ppl b/c I still keep meeting great ppl,
continue to expand my knowledge of music and keep dancing.  I think it's that
I am beginning to value the parties I go to less and less.  The awe with
which I first viewed this scene is beginning to die down and I have been
caught in the mentality of approaching parties with very blase and nonchalant
attitudes. I think the problem is that most of us have stopped viewing
parties as a gift which the scene has given to us but more as a right.  We
take the parties for granted.

Do you guys remember your first rave and how amazed you were with it? I do.
 It was called Supernova during the summer of '92 in Los Angeles.  I remember
telling myself that I could never forget it b/c it changed a large part of my
life.  I remember thinking that the promoters were artistic genuises b/c of
all the work which they had to put in this event to pull everything off.  I
was even more surprised b/c later on I heard that they didn't make any money
but they were very glad they at least broke even.  WHAT? BROKE EVEN?  Where
they financially braindead or what?  I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
 Why the hell would anyone do all that shit and deal with all the last minute
stress of throwing a party for hundreds of ppl they don't know only to be
happy about breaking even?  That to me is like someone who wants to listen to
good techno music but keeps torturing themselves by buying only Keoki's CDs.
 But when you think about it, that's seriously what is going on.  

These parties don't exist by magic.  No one ever said that b/c the rave scene
is existent and techno music makes ppl want to dance that there necessarily
has to be a party.  Ppl have to bust their asses to get together and decide
to build a scene and throw parties.  Promoters have to risk a large portion
of their financial security to complete these events, something not very many
of us would do if it came down to our own personaly choice.  

What ever happened to the whole idea of the MIDWEST NET PARTY?  I don't hear
jack shit about it anymore.  Why is that?  Is it b/c for once we had to look
at the responsibility of throwing a party fully in the face and didn't like
what we saw? I know I didn't.  I didn't even know what to suggest to Ed when
he asked for any sort of advice.  So what happened?  The netparty never
happened.  So what if (to take this one step more) no parties were to be
thrown again?  What if instead of having a party to attend every weekend
there was only 3 every year.  Do you think that maybe we would begin to value
the parties a little bit more?   The more we do something, the more we begin
to take it for granted.  I would hate for a scene like ours to be undone b/c
we stopped realizing how good we have it.  And we have it pretty damned good.
 Most of us have parties to attend every weekend.  Most of us have met
friends which we will prolly keep for a while.  Most of us get to hear
incredible DJ's show their shit by working their magic on the tables. 

Try to appreciate it for everything it offers and mostly try not to take this
scene for granted.  I would much rather deal with sketchy promoters and
learning to be more selective about attending parties instead of having no
parties to attend at all.  In any case, this is just bit of $0.02.  Hope
everyone enjoys what's left of their summer. Take care and maybe I"ll be
seeing some of you around.  laterz 
peace out
Allyson

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Okay guys, I think the flame war has gone on long enough. You both seem to
be trying to prove that you're "more dedicated to the scene" than the
other.  Well, I have never been to a party by either of you, but from what
i've read by both of you on this list, you're both very dedicated to the
scene and it's sad to see that you have to boost your ego by bragging
about the number of parties you've thrown, and how much you charged for
them.  I'm getting pretty sick of your ragging on each other and I'm sure
others on the list are too.  

I've read reviews of FreeBass parties, and I've read reviews of the
parties put on by tim and french E.  You both seem to have the ability to
throw great parties. So please stop acting like children.  The first round
of messages was understandable- Blitz told it like he saw it and French E
responded justifiably. But after that it degenerated into name-calling and
ego-inflating.  I dont want to see two good promoters hate each other over
nothing. Stop.

chris e

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commercialism=bad for raves.

sure, the flyers are cool to look at.  sure, its great to know the dj
lineup(something to be kept on a flyer).  but i dont like seeing some people
at raves that dont belong there.  im sure there are people out there like me
that dont like seeing preps that made fun of you in high school at a rave.
 they're there just to show up and tell there friends they went to a rave.
   i wish raves were seen as more uncool.  that way the people who love the
scene and love to dance would be the only ones there.

sorry i have stupid reasons, but the last thing i want to see is a
documentary about raves on MTV.  or commercials on tv "come to the rave we
got so-so its only 50 bucks!"  it would get so boring if raves were
commercialized.  

yack yack yack.

derik

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> Do you guys remember your first rave and how amazed you were with it? I do.
>  It was called Supernova during the summer of '92 in Los Angeles.  I remember

Mac Street I, Minneapolis 1995. June.  I was amazed.  (obviously!
otherwise would I still be going to parties???)

> What ever happened to the whole idea of the MIDWEST NET PARTY?  I don't hear

as far as I know, the minneapolis one might still happen. WE can always
hope!

> he asked for any sort of advice.  So what happened?  The netparty never
> happened.  So what if (to take this one step more) no parties were to be
> thrown again?  What if instead of having a party to attend every weekend
> there was only 3 every year.  Do you think that maybe we would begin to value
> the parties a little bit more?   The more we do something, the more we begin

I KNOW we would! The vibe would be completely amazing, and everyone would
get so psyched for them that we'd all have a great time.  I know this
would happen because I remember my SECOND rave: I hadn't been to a rave
since my first one, and here it was, new year's eve.  Minneapolis had this
big party coming out called CLOSER.  SO I got myself super-psyched for it.
I made the arrangements, bringing 2 first-timers with me.  We were all so
excited because none of us knew the reality of the scene- we thought it
would be all good vibes and great music because that was exactly what a
rave was! Well, we were let down pretty bad.  I know that if I just took a
3-month break from raving now, it wouldn't change the way I looked at
parties.  

I still get psyched for Depth Probe, it only happens once in a blue moon!
(minneapolis clube event, very nice)

anyways, thank you allyson for the thoughtful writing on parties!

chris e

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	Hrm, i just got finished reading this book about quantum 
mechancics, (pretty technical stuff, but the author used lots of 
analogies and stuff) and what it said would totaly support parallel 
universes, cuz like someone said (i forget who) about the cat, basicly it 
comes down to this: atoms and electrons and photons move about in 
probabilty waves, not like a car does. imagine if you've got a car, and 
you point it north and send it off (i dunno, a brick on the gas pedal or 
something) when you're not looking at it you assume its somewhere 
north-ish, and you can even use math like how fast its supposed to be 
going and stuff to figure out where it should be. but you'll never know 
for sure till you look at it. thats sorta how photons work, but its been 
proven using statisics and experiments (i sorta got lost on how the stats 
bit worked) that not only can you not be sure where the photon is, even 
the photon itself isnt sure about it, unless something looks at it, an 
electroscope (or whatever), an eyeball, etc.
	of course since 'reality' is made of atoms and electrons and 
photons all piled together, unless something is being watched it becomes 
uncertain of its position in space/time. i mean, the odds of you leaving 
your room and coming back to find its a tropical rainforest are kinda 
small since the probabiltiy of that happening is infinitesimal, but 
scientificily it IS possible.
	but about parallel universes, since the photon isnt sure in our 
reality where it is till its looked it, and if a parallel universe is 
started every time something 'decides' where it is (assuming that somehow 
some part of it decides otherwise and creates a universe) that would mean 
there's practicly infinitly many parallel universes. (cuz i mean photons 
decide where they're at almost every millisecond, so...)

	hm... that would mean that every universe has like a probability 
rating somehow, i mean cuz each photon's decision has a probability of 
occuring so it would be possible to calculate a given universe's 
probability of existing, if you could take into accound all the photons, 
electrons, etc. probability of making whatever choice they made.

anyhoo, did i bore anyone yet? :)
just my thoughts on the subject,
plur
mike

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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 WaveShaft@aol.com wrote:

> commercialism=bad for raves.
> 
> sure, the flyers are cool to look at.  sure, its great to know the dj
> lineup(something to be kept on a flyer).  but i dont like seeing some people
> at raves that dont belong there.  im sure there are people out there like me
> that dont like seeing preps that made fun of you in high school at a rave.
>  they're there just to show up and tell there friends they went to a rave.

... yeah, but think how uncomfortable and out-of-place those preps must 
feel ... bet they wish they were nicer to you in high school so they 
could talk to you now!  and neway, maybe some of them will Really like 
the music and therefore they Will belong there.

-tamzin
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From: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: non rave related: parallel universes
To: michael alfred wieher <wieher@students.uiuc.edu>
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scientific-smchientific ... science only PROVES things to people who 
believe it.


On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:

> 
> 	Hrm, i just got finished reading this book about quantum 
> mechancics, (pretty technical stuff, but the author used lots of 
> analogies and stuff) and what it said would totaly support parallel 
> universes, cuz like someone said (i forget who) about the cat, basicly it 
> comes down to this: atoms and electrons and photons move about in 
> probabilty waves, not like a car does. imagine if you've got a car, and 
> you point it north and send it off (i dunno, a brick on the gas pedal or 
> something) when you're not looking at it you assume its somewhere 
> north-ish, and you can even use math like how fast its supposed to be 
> going and stuff to figure out where it should be. but you'll never know 
> for sure till you look at it. thats sorta how photons work, but its been 
> proven using statisics and experiments (i sorta got lost on how the stats 
> bit worked) that not only can you not be sure where the photon is, even 
> the photon itself isnt sure about it, unless something looks at it, an 
> electroscope (or whatever), an eyeball, etc.
> 	of course since 'reality' is made of atoms and electrons and 
> photons all piled together, unless something is being watched it becomes 
> uncertain of its position in space/time. i mean, the odds of you leaving 
> your room and coming back to find its a tropical rainforest are kinda 
> small since the probabiltiy of that happening is infinitesimal, but 
> scientificily it IS possible.
> 	but about parallel universes, since the photon isnt sure in our 
> reality where it is till its looked it, and if a parallel universe is 
> started every time something 'decides' where it is (assuming that somehow 
> some part of it decides otherwise and creates a universe) that would mean 
> there's practicly infinitly many parallel universes. (cuz i mean photons 
> decide where they're at almost every millisecond, so...)
> 
> 	hm... that would mean that every universe has like a probability 
> rating somehow, i mean cuz each photon's decision has a probability of 
> occuring so it would be possible to calculate a given universe's 
> probability of existing, if you could take into accound all the photons, 
> electrons, etc. probability of making whatever choice they made.
> 
> anyhoo, did i bore anyone yet? :)
> just my thoughts on the subject,
> plur
> mike
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug 20 15:34:20 1996
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Regardless of what anyone says, IO3 was a raw ass party.  Even if there
was bad promotting (which I personally failed to see) or whatever.  I
brought about 15 people with me, and about 10 of them had never been to
a rave or heard techno, and we ALL HAD THE TIMES OF OUR LIVES.  The
space was great, the DJs were great, and the crowd was great.. and we
only got to stay for the first night.  I've probably been to every party
tim and frenche have thrown since about a year and a half ago, and
they've all been raw.  All these flames just piss me off.. just my
opinion.. i dunno..

mattelliott
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!!chris e!! wrote:

> 
> Ack! the lineup's very nice, but look who it's sponsored by- camel! And
> you could get an as nice or better campout event for around $30 (read:
> furthur, IO, family affair) Screw camel is what I say. A cigarette company
> shouldnt be sponsoring a rave.
> 
> (my opinion of course, you're entitled to your own!)
> 
> chris e
> 

I dunno.  From what I hear camel has a whole brand of cigarettes geared
towards ravers in europe.  As raves become more commercial, I could see
big companies starting to sponsor them.  Hell, I can think of three
parties that already have been:  Pimp For a Day II (adidas), Submurge
(mountain dew), <some party in chicago that I saw the flyer for>
(dannon).  As much as it would suck for all partys to be sponsored by
big corporations, it would make for some huge ass partys.  I guess it
would probably lead to the end of partys as we know them.  Oh well..
food for thought.

mattelliott
(question reality)

p.s. I03 rocked!!! I'm sorry I left early, but that rain scared me away.
I thought the party would be ruined.  Oh well.  :(



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Wow... I am still GLOWING from the good vibes and all the hugs at this
event!!  =)  I can honestly say that this was one of the most special times
of my life.  I will never forget this event.  I'm sorry, but I *haveta*
ramble for about 8 kilobytes about this event, it was so special...

The first thing I've gotta say, and the biggest thanx of all, goes out to
all the wonderful people I was around who are the main reason this event
was so special for me!  Especially the net.people!!  I won't list names
'cuz there were so many -- y'all know who ya are -- but all you net.folks
are great and I love you and all your good vibes so much!!  =)  It was also
nice for me to meet some ne- and se-ravers, too.  Everybody was so happy to
be there together.  I'm so glad many of us were able to set up our tents in
the same general area, and the big net.city dinner thingy on Saturday
evening seemed like a really good feeling for everyone who was there... it
was so happy.  (btw, all that good stuff Hion was expertly cookin' for yas
[with the mighty Rambo knife], all that came outta my pocket, so... you're
welcome, hehe, I was happy to bring x-tra food for my family!!  ;)  And I
hope everybody thanked J-Sun and all the other cool people who cooked and
offered their food, they were receiving such delight in making everybody so
happy and full-tummied!)

Next is a big thanx to the organizers of this event, it was beautiful and
incredibly fun.  Obviously a lot of work went into it, and it was totally
appreciated!  I don't care to comment on how it could've been flyered
better or how dj timeslots could've been longer, etc. etc. [and I
definitely don't wanna comment about the flames that popped up while I was
writing this message, but I was able to cook some marshmallows and make
s'mores from it, so hey!]... but it seems to me that the promoters truly
wanted to make something special for everybody, they worked hard to do it,
and that's what's important... to me, anyways.  They tried, hey?  It was
fun.  And for what it's worth, to respond to some of the messages about
this, I do support the concept of having lotsa stages.  Quite frankly, a
few of the djs at the main stage were spinning stuff that I literally
couldn't tolerate listening to in the heightened-awareness condition I was
in (we all have our own musical tastes, eh?), so it was nice to have other
stages to go to... in fact, necessary!

The next thanx I've gotta give goes out to Efex and Mindrive, for the
absolute bliss.  (Dunno if they'd ever read this message or not, but oh
well.)  Two of my favorite djs, back to back, spinning the most powerful
sets I've ever heard come out of them.  The energy on the dance area was so
intense, people were screaming and going crazy... these guys ROCK!!  For
some reason, the dancing crowd thinned out towards the beginning of
Mindrive's set, but the people who stayed were getting into it and I think
the crowd built back up after a while.  I've never screamed and lost my
shit on the dancefloor before, but Mindrive got me going, and then Efex had
me wailing like a banshee 'cuz I was already dancing as hard as I could and
the only thing left to do to diffuse all that energy was scream!!  I got a
chance to watch Efex as he was spinning, and I was very impressed... this
guy knows wuzzup, he was watching the crowd and really interacting with
their energy, as opposed to zoning out into his own little groove and
ignoring the crowd like I've seen lotsa djs do.  He knows how to work with
energy.  Plus I could see and feel the genuine satisfaction in him when the
crowd would go apeshit, he was so happy to be making us so happy, he was
glowing.  The acid builds he was throwing in were the most intense I've
ever heard.  (I finally heard his "Epilogue" goa and hard trance mixtapes
yesterday... great stuff!!)

Other notable djs for me were Sho and -- there was apparently some
confusion or delay with the time slot so I'm not 100% sure it was him 'cuz
I never got a look behind these turntables as I was busy stage-hopping, but
I think it was Star groovin' right along at the stage in back, the music
was forcing big smiles out of me!

And then thanx goes out to all the technical folks, at the main stage.  (I
didn't spend much time at the other stages.)  Normally I don't care so much
about technical stuff... as long as the music's good and the vibe's right,
you could have a gazillion-watt sound system and 3000 lights or a home
stereo and a campfire.  But I must say... The visuals were phenomenal, by
far the best visuals I've ever ever seen at a party.  (Er... the best
_external_ visuals I've ever seen at a party, I should say... never mind
what goes on in my own head.)  ;>  The lights were great, they really had
me feeling lost and spaced and even flat-out disoriented at times, which I
thought was a good thing, seeing as those are my natural states of being.
:D   And the sound, this was one of the only times I've experienced the
sound at a party to be at a perfectly comfortable level for dancing and had
no complaints.  Plenty loud, but not ridiculously skull-cracking
ear-damaging loud, at least not when I was there.  I wish people would
realize that louder isn't better, there's only so loud it can go before it
starts getting ridiculous.  I think sound *quality* is the key, with a
balanced expression of the various frequency bands (ie: not too much bass
or too much high-end), and the main stage's sound quality was great.

I gave/received more hugs this weekend than I have at any other time in my
life, and it felt so amazingly good!!!  At one point out on the dancefloor,
some dude noticed he was wearing the same shirt as me (with a yellow
smiley-faced alien head with the caption "Have A Spacey Day") so he came up
to me all smiley, pointed at my shirt, and gave me a big ol' happy hug.
Hugs were *everywhere*.  HUGS RULE!!!!  Oh, this weekend was an empath's
heaven, I tell you!  I only witnessed a couple people with bad vibes the
whole time, which is a definite record for me.  Everybody was shining
brightly.  Whadda feeling.  :)

One of the most satisfying aspects of this weekend for me was going around
and handing out copies of the Future Harmonix zine.  Lotsa people were so
happy to get it, and it was nice watching them flip through the pages and
giggle at Hion's pictures or trip out on the geometric glyphs.  (If you
net.folks could be so kind as to pass your input along to us once you've
read it, whether you liked it or not, we wanna know, we'd love your input!)
It's wonderful how many people came up to me saying, "Wow, I didn't
realize there were other people out there who were into stuff like this."
Ah yes... it's time for us all to come together and start acting like a
community, just like what happened at IO3... **we need to support each
other into the future now.**  (I'll post the URL for the webified version
of the zine within a few days.)

Welp... enough bandwidth for now.  I'll run along.  Once again, a huge
THANX!!!! to everybody who was there with a good vibe, and to everybody who
helped make this wonderful weekend happen.  And to all the net.family I
saw, who were *totally* the icing on the cake for me -- {{{{HUG!!!!}}}}  =)
(Anyone going to Rave 'Em & Bail-E???)

       Miles o' Smiles,

            Randy
             a d                Rainbow Freq!
              n
             a d                osiris7@cris.com
            Randy

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For those who attended IO3---I LOVE ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!this was the best
fuckkin party I have ever been to.  The people are what made this party.  I
did not recieve one-not one negative vibe this weekend.  everyone was there
with a big smile and a hug for everyone else.  The music was incredible.
Friday nights music was severely lacking, but saturday night-Oh my fuckkin
god!  Mindrive-Efex just detonated a good-vibe explosion.  At one point,
during Efex's many intense acid builds, every one was screaming their asses
off.  I mean when you are dancing as hard as you can and the energy gets
turnred up another notch, what else is there to do!?  the vibe at the main
stage was so intense and full of love. At one point, I was screaming "I love
all of you" and I meant it.  Ive never felt that much good energy.
****PROPS!!!!!-Tim-Frenchie....thank you thank you thank you...Im reall
bummed that you lost money, but keep it up.  It was a beautiful site and a
beautiful party.  You did no wrong (exept the seti guy, but ill crush him in
a sec)
***All of the wonderful net folx who participated in our little net city-I
love all of ya!  Gage, Jenn, Miky-D(you crack me up) Spitfire, kitten, and
all the rest-thanx for making it a special time.
***Special thanx to J-Sun...you rule dude!  That dinner we cooked for every
one ruled!  It brought so many people together and spread good vibe.  I
loved it.
***Ben...Im so glad to meet you, it was a fun trip and we will party again soon!
***X-tra kisses go to Allyson.  Im soo glad we finally met.  You are the
best.  Thanx for being a beautiful person.
For those of you who didnt make it-you missed the best party of the year.
If more partys could be this positive and full of love, we wouldnt have
these stupid flame wars and worthless discussions on "how it never was"
peace, love to all, Im out<------HION

P.S.  The Seti guy was obnoxious, belittling, negative, and a complete
asshole.  he was so cynical about his own project it was sickening.  He
spent the whole time putting up barriers on how it was impossible for
intelligent life to exist elsewhere.  I mean, his definition of intelligent
life is the capacity to use radio-give me a break.  What a goon. Boo to
SETI. On a lighter note, check out Randy's (Rainbo freq,) website and 'Zine,
it will blow your mind!


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I'll concur with what Chris sed:  I personally know that Blitz is the shit
up here and busts his ass to make things rock, and I've only experianced one
KY party (IO3) and it rocked too-point is, you both are the shit, so quit
slinging it. enough! Smile damnit!  it just might burn through that
ego.<----HION


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>scientific-smchientific ... science only PROVES things to people who 
>believe it.

ok, that was from tamzin.

and the same can be said for religions, or ANYTHING.  but we are all entitled
to our own beliefs..... i'm sure you believe in some things and i don't think
that you would like it if people were cutting down on your values either.

smile ahead!

jon.


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your flames suck.  i'm sorry, but it's very depressing to see all the bad
energy.  we don't need to be dissin on evereyone and bein all shitty... leave
that to the jocks.

and until randy and hions reviews of the party.... i havent seen ANY other real
reviews <if i have, i missed em and im sorry because they were real reviews> 
but would someone throw in their opinion of the djs, sound, etc?  i'd love to
hear it, cuz i hear it was really great.

and allyson's right... we SHOULD be glad that we even have parties.  we should
be appreciative.  we shouldn't bitch and piss and moan about how horrible it
is.  because negativity isn't where it's at, i've learned that.

learn how to love, peoples.  tim and blitz, you two smooch and make up :P  and
come up to madison and i'll show you vibe.  :D


p.s..  if anyone EVER needs a place to crash in madison... you are welcome to
call me up and if i'm available, it'll be great... seeing as i have like 3 bus
seats in my basement, a couch, an easychair..... and i dont even LIVE down
there!  :P

i think its time for us to get back to our regularly scheduled happy list..
thank you all.

jon.

i love you guys.  please don't scare everyone away with the bad vibe.


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does ANYONE have any delta 9 mixtapes????????  i'd love to get my hands on
one.... really bad.

jon.


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 > ufo's and aliens come from these other dimensions, then they must 
 > not 
 > only have the knowledge of how to cross space, but also 
 > time/dimension.
 > 
 > I'm not arguing against the possibility of ufo's/aliens, however the 
 > 
 > conclusion that you drew from what you read doesn't logically 
 > follow.


sounded logical to me...i dont agree but his conclusion is logical
as far as crossing time/dimension, ever hear of the philadelphia experiment?



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well, you guys wanted the URL I got the info from, here it is:
http://www.hia.com/hia/pcr/parauniv.html
I *THINK* that's the actual file, if not, just look around the PHYSICS 
section of http://www.deoxy.org/hyper.htm, and you're bound to find 
tons of info on the subject.

Jeff W

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Wow.  I am genually surprised at all the controversy that has surfaced on 
mw-raves from io3.

Actually, for the people who came to the party to *party*, it was great.  
The sound on the main stage was incredible for an outdoors event and the 
lights were quite impressive as well (altough some of the flashing lights 
did upset me after a while).  But after the innitial vibe of the music 
set in, my personal nightmare began.

When I arrived in Lousiville after a 7:50am departure from LaGuardia 
airport in NYC and a 2 hour layover in detroit (both ways) last saturday, 
I was told I was slated to play at 9am.  But since Frequency M couldn't 
make it due to travel discrepencies, we agreed that I could take his slot 
which was at 8am.  I honestly don't have much of a problem playing that 
late.. there is something to be said about the vibe of a party (that is 
still going strong, which io3 was to a certain extent) when the sun is up 
and the real headz are still groovin'.

Well, the evening began with just under an hour's worth of torrential 
downpours which made the ground a massive mudfest.  I was hanging out 
most of the evening, meeting several cool people.. some i've spoken to 
before on the net, and some i've never spoken to period.  I finally got 
to meet Sho after communicating w/ him on the net for about 2 years. (btw 
sho, phat as hell tape, "vicious circle")  As 4 or 5am approached, I was 
ready to take a short nap so that I may be better prepared to perform at 
8am.  Actually it's too bad I had no idea I was playing at that time 
before leaving NY, as I would have brought a totally different set of 
records.  As I was hanging out inside the empty penske truck trying to 
fall asleep, french-e was handling the check in process.  His knee was 
bothering him and he was pretty depressed about loss of funds, so he told 
me he had to go somewhere to sleep.  "thanks for coming," he said to me.  
So I fell back asleep, but every once in a while I was awakened by people 
asking me if I have seen french-e or tim.  Neither of them were anywhere 
to be found.  I had heard later that they both went home because they 
couldn't deal with the party anymore.  Then I heard today that that was a 
roumor.  It's all heresay now.  I would hope they didn't leave the site, 
so suffice it to say french-e and tim were somewhere on site sleeping, 
but it didn't seem as if anyone knew where they were.

Ok.  Part 2.  See, I had my records and personal stuff locked in the 
front seat of the penske since I had no idea where else to secure my 
things before it was time for me to go on.  The keys to the front were 
left behind the truck where everyone was hanging out.  We pretty much had 
access to the keys if we needed it.  But when french-e and tim had 
*supposedly* disappeared, the keys disappeared along with them.  Along 
with my access to my records.  I was later told that french-e took the 
keys with him when he went to sleep.  I guess he didn't realize I needed 
those keys to get my records to spin at 8am.  I haven't seen him or tim 
since, so I've no idea what time they awoke.  At any rate, I was starting 
to get nervous.  I was quite exhausted, so I was as anxious as any half 
asleep bum could have been at the time.  Fast forward to 8am.  Still no 
french-e or tim, still no keys/access to the front of the truck and my 
stuff (and skinners, i might add).  At that point I was most concerned 
with getting my things and catching my 11:40am flight back to NYC.  The 
airport in louisville was about 45 mins away from the io3 site.  I 
honestly had no idea how I was going to get my stuff.  DJing at 8am 
(whose time had already passed) was not the first thing on my mind.  I 
hope some of you understand that.  Ok, more frustration, anxiety, then 
miraculously we get the truck opened without the key.  We didn't damage 
anything, let's just say that.  I get my stuff out of the truck and the 
feeling I got when I first felt my belongings was like losing my 
virginity.  Well fine, not quite that intense but you get it.  I was 
thrilled beyond belief.

SO, it's almost 9am at this point.  Everyone around me is like, hey you 
have your records now and you don't need to leave for the airport for 
another hour, so why not go down to the stage and spin in your original 
timeslot?  I'm like yeah, why not get *some* satisfaction out of this.  
So I go down there and as i'm getting my things ready, some guy looks 
like he's getting ready to go on as well.  Mr. Perry Ellis from Cinci or 
something.  He told me he was from Detroit.  He lied.  Why?  He seemd 
quite desperate to get on those tables, and the fire in his eyes told me 
he had some serious fighting to do to get on those tables.  You know 
what, at that point I'm like fuck it.. it's not worth it.  The party's 
attendance had diminished significantly and I wasn't about to stand there 
in front of a bunch of people and embarrass myself over a silly little 
power squabble.  Had someone in charge been there, the issue would have 
been cleared up without a problem.  But when the promoters are gone, the 
djs seem to have to fend for themselves and I was not equipped, given my 
energy status, to deal with it.  So I walk back up the grass flustered 
and share my story with a few people.  The sound guy took it upon himself 
to go up to Perry Ellis and chew him out on my behalf.  I told him he 
didn't have to but he seemed pretty gung-ho about it.  So I'm standing at 
the bottom of the ramp of the stage watching all of this (good thing 
perry's first record was phyllips track2, a nice long track which gives 
you time to have an argument over) and finally decide to walk back up and 
stop all of this.  I was in a horrible mood and besides I didn't really 
have the right records to play at 9am regardless.  I brought bangin' 
minimal techno.  (anyway)  So the sound guy motions me over right before 
I'm about to tell him to stop, perry can play, and he's like you can play 
if you want..do you want to play?  I told them he can have his friggin' 
slot.  I have no idea if perry was lying to me about french-e telling him 
to play @ 9am on the main system, but I really didn't care either.  It 
was his word against whoever's and I really just wanted to go home and 
take a shower.  So I didn't play.  After all that I never even DJed.  I'm 
sorry to anyone who was expecting to hear me, or thought that someone 
else who was spinning in my scheduled slot was in fact me.. it wasn't.

So now it was time to go home.  Wait.  French-e told me he would get me 
back to the airport.  But he was sleeping somewhere.  I was basically 
stranded somewhere in the middle of kentucky without a ride to the airport.

I was basically stranded somewhere in the middle of kentucky without a 
ride to the airport.

Had it not been for an extremely giving girl who offered me and skinner a 
ride back to lousiville, I have no idea how I was going to get myself 
back to NYC with a nonrefundable northwest plane ticket, for a plane that 
I would have missed.  I'm so glad skinner came to KY with me and shared 
most of the experiences with me (although he spun..), including the 
frightening feeling of, "wait.. how the fuck are we getting home, from a 
different part of the country?"

I guess that's my story.  I got home, went to bed at 6:30pm and didn't 
wake up until monday morning for work.  When I awoke monday, I didn't 
know where I was or what day it was.  I had a fleeting thought that 
perhaps it had all been a wierd dream.  But I slowly realized what had 
been done to me.  No one who took responsibility for getting me *out 
there* was taking responsibilty for getting me back.  Sure I had my plane 
ticket back, but I had no idea where I or the airport was.

I'm not sure what else there is to say, but I feel I'm missing 
something.  I sent a very angry email to davis & tim, and they responded 
just as angrily.  I was actually going to forward all of that to mw-raves 
but after seeing all of this bruhaha public flamewar nonsense, I decided 
to just share my story with you all, trying as hard as I could not to point 
fingers.

I hope to never have an experience like this again.

-Dylan Drazen.

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On 20 Aug 96 at 22:56, Joseph C. Alfe wrote:

> P.S.  The Seti guy was obnoxious, belittling, negative, and a complete
> asshole.  he was so cynical about his own project it was sickening.  He
> spent the whole time putting up barriers on how it was impossible for
> intelligent life to exist elsewhere.  I mean, his definition of
> intelligent life is the capacity to use radio-give me a break.  What a
> goon. 



well, i never said anything before, but i guess it's time.

i had the pleasure of riding into louisville and to the airport to pick up 
Dr. Seth Shostack on friday night, driving him back to the site, and then 
into civilization again to get him food (he likes subway).  all in all we 
spent about three hours together chatting and talking.

the SETI guy (dr. seth shostak) was neither obnoxious, belitting, or a
complete asshole in any of the dealings i had with him.  he was perhaps
*realistic* about his own project.  and a very nice guy, personally.  in
fact, upon reading the future harmonix zine (which i enjoyed very much and
thought was *quite* nicely done, by the way), he chuckled at the "out of
context" quote that was in there from him.  i do not know the nature of
the quote or the context it is either in or came from, i only know that he
handled it with the attitude of one who understood why you would be
negative and confused towards his group's efforts and was ready to tell
you how he sincerely feels.

in informal conversation with him, he told me he does not honestly believe 
that any human being has ever contacted life outside this planet.  at 
least he and i agree on one point.  he also explained to me that it takes 
a very little energy to send a radio wave from here to a distant star or 
system whereas it takes a humongous amount of energy and expense to 
attempt just about any other forms of communication (short of screaming 
from a mountiantop or shining a flashlight into the night sky ;)

and sure, other forms of intelligent life may not use radio waves, they 
may not even exist in this plane or dimesion as jeff has pointed out, but 
they JUST MIGHT capitalize on the minimal energy required to communicate 
in the radiospectrum much like we do.  if that is the case we have a 
slightly better chance of communicating with them.  but really.....

and if you (as the article "interdimensional communication through sound") 
illustrates want to communicate with ourselves and extraterrestrials, be 
they in another galaxy or here, but in another dimension...isn't that the 
same thing as what the SETI institute is trying to do only using different 
portions of the electromagnetic spectrum?  you guys should be friends 
unified on a common theme of communication with waves rather than at odds 
based on where you think that life is or how you think that life 
commuincates.

sorry if my unwillingness to believe in extraterrestrials seeps into
this, but i consistently wonder why we are looking for other life when we
have not come to terms with our own as individuals and as a socitey.  i
think that perhaps hion, osiris, and Dr. Shostak would all agree with me
there.

unfortunately, duties elsewhere required that i miss dr. shostak's speech
at interstellar outback three though i'm told we have it recorded
somewhere and i'll perhaps get to hear it again.  if that is the case,
and i can drum up enough intrest, and i can get permission i would be
willing to transcribe it for those who are on the list who could not make
it to the party for whatever reasons.

okay, i'm out.  i don't really think that much about aliens, i just didn't 
want the name of a truly nice guy muddied in this forum.

--star*
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i'll try to keep it short.

friday night, i was a bit worried. here was this awesome sound and lighting
setup, which when i first looked at i imagined 2000 kids dancing in front
of, but looking around that night i just didn't see enough people. i kept
cool though, knowing that many people were probably just tired from the
drive, and more people were on their way. saturday night would be the
magical night.

back at the camping area, both friday and saturday i felt there was a great
social vibe going, which sort of made up for the lack of great vibe at the
dance area. people just saying hi to each other as they passed on the
pathways and such. i met and hung out with several very cool people, squirt
gun fight included.

after a nice thunderstorm and some net.food, saturday night arrived. we made
it to the dance area just in time for dr. shostak of seti. someone on the
list said they didn't like his speech, but i thought it was excellent. he
had great speaking ability, and while his speech wasn't "yes yes there are
ALIENS visiting our planet!" he gave everyone a down to earth perspective on
the alien phenomenon. he *did* say that there is almost undoubtedly
intelligent alien life, he just doubted that this life was visiting earth
and abducting people.

as soon as he finished speaking and the music came on, i expected that
magical vibe to kick in and see everyone dancing under the stars. to my
disappointment that didn't happen. from 10 until 2 i spent my time wandering
about, gathering my thoughts, searching for that vibe somewhere. throughout
mindrive's set i started to get that feeling like something big was going to
happen. i don't really know when chad's set stopped and efex's started, but
sometime around 3 am in front of the right speaker at the main system the
vibe exploded. dan threw several climactic tracks into his set which this
small crowd had been waiting for. once we got it we danced and cheered our
hearts away. i danced almost non-stop from 3 until 8. this was the kind of
vibe you want to bottle up and take to the next party with you. this is what
made io3 one of the best parties i've ever been to.

*smile*

my sincere thanks to everyone who made this happen.

-kc


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>the SETI guy (dr. seth shostak) was neither obnoxious, belitting, or a
>complete asshole in any of the dealings i had with him.  he was perhaps
>*realistic* about his own project.  and a very nice guy, personally.

Welp, perhaps that was your perception of him, but I'm gonna have to agree
with the obnoxious and belittling part.  Despite what he may be like as a
personality, I found what he said in his speech to be very obnoxious and
belittling.  I'm sure he's not an asshole, and I'm sure he's a swell guy
and all dat, but he's definitely belittling as far as I'm concerned.

>in
>fact, upon reading the future harmonix zine (which i enjoyed very much and
>thought was *quite* nicely done, by the way), he chuckled at the "out of
>context" quote that was in there from him.  i do not know the nature of
>the quote or the context it is either in or came from

Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny that a copy of the Future Harmonix zine
wound up in Mr. Shostak's hands during the first night, somehow I knew he
would end up seeing that.  btw, that wasn't a quote from Mr. Shostak, that
was from some SETI web site I came across.  (Although quite frankly, given
the stuff he said during his speech, I don't think that man has the right
to be saying anything about taking things out of context.)  And thanx very
much for the compliment on the zine, it's much appreciated coming from you!
=)  [And I wanna make it clear, the extraterrestrial ramblings in that
zine are from the Department of Interdimensional Groov, NOT from Future
Harmonix... FH is trying to catalyze things in the rave community and is
supposed to be a common ground for everyone, it's the D.I.G. that deals
with all this wackiness.]

>and if you (as the article "interdimensional communication through sound")
>illustrates want to communicate with ourselves and extraterrestrials, be
>they in another galaxy or here, but in another dimension...isn't that the
>same thing as what the SETI institute is trying to do only using different
>portions of the electromagnetic spectrum?  you guys should be friends
>unified on a common theme of communication with waves rather than at odds
>based on where you think that life is or how you think that life
>commuincates.

Hehe, I like the energy you're wielding here!  Yup, balance is good.  But
nope, interdimensional communication through sound and using radio waves a
la SETI are in totally different ballparks, they're not at all the same
thing and are not on the same spectrum of existence.  The former
understands the existence of multidimensionality and in fact utilizes the
flow of energy between dimensions to access higher-dimensional archetypal
and "extraterrestrial" energy as a type of communication and evolution --
this implies an acceptance that "extraterrestrial" energy DOES exist, not a
"search" -- whereas the latter is a strictly 3rd-dimensional (3rd-density)
endeavor.  There's a big difference, 'cuz the scientific/technological
tendency to not be willing to break through 3rd-density barriers is
precisely what keeps technology from discovering "extraterrestrials".  ;)

Yes, I agree the different schools of thought should be friends, but if you
heard the things Mr. Shostak said during his speech, you would understand
that there are some sirius conflicts in reality perception which prevent us
from seeing eye-to-eye.  I don't think you understand... science has been
pissing on certain things (especially metaphysical things) for thousands of
years and not giving it a chance.  And Mr. Shostak was doing just that...
in fact, it was a big hearty piss he took all over some very important
issues, and I found that offensive.  I'm sorry, I don't care if he's the
nicest man in the world, I have some very BIG problems with the things he
said at IO3.

>sorry if my unwillingness to believe in extraterrestrials seeps into
>this, but i consistently wonder why we are looking for other life when we
>have not come to terms with our own as individuals and as a socitey.  i
>think that perhaps hion, osiris, and Dr. Shostak would all agree with me
>there.

YES INDEED, total agreement from me!!  :)  (The quote on the top of the
"Aliens Tried To Mate With My 303" article says it all.)

>okay, i'm out.  i don't really think that much about aliens, i just didn't
>want the name of a truly nice guy muddied in this forum.

Again, as nice as he is, I'm gonna toss mud all over him right now.  You
have to understand... I have a total right to do this right now.  He spent
a good amount of his speech tossing mud, and he did it very cleverly.  I
have to speak out on behalf of everybody he pissed on.

Listen, I was willing to give him a chance and hear him out, despite what I
think about the whole SETI trip, so I tried my hardest to go into this with
an open mind.  I gave him a fair chance and heard him out.  C'mon, could
this guy even be any more cynical and closed-minded about that which he
"searches" for?  Very disappointing... some people seemed to like it, but
for the most part, I saw plenty of heads shaking during the speech and
heard plenty of groans from lotsa people afterwards.  I went around and
asked people what they thought about it, 'cuz I wanted to see if it was
just me who thought this was a joke, but it wasn't just me... in fact, I
found many people (myself included) who were actually *angered* by what he
said, 'cuz he was so incredibly full of it.  I'm sure some people liked it,
and maybe some people reading this right now liked it and got something out
of it, but I'd like to emphasize, regardless of your personal beliefs,
plenty of people were *angered* by it.  This is somewhat of a problem, yes?

(And if I might call a time-out and make a suggestion once again to the IO3
folks, at least having yoga people there didn't seem to offend or upset
anyone... you should consider your audience and try to make sure you're not
offending and upsetting the people who support you, eh?  <sigh>, I tried to
warn you, but was blown-off, as apparently lots of people feel blown off
lately... and I'm probably gonna walk on some thin ice here, but I must
say, don't be askin' for help and advice about improving things at IO if
you're not gonna listen to what people have to say, especially people who
truly do care about the IO concept and would like to see this coolness
continue.)

I did miss the opening of his speech, but I caught most of it.  It seemed
to me like he spent a lot of time cutting on serious things that warrant
examination (which of course all the while subtly glorifies his own
purposes.  For someone who was supposed to be talking about SETI, he spent
a suspicious amount of time cutting down all other avenues of exploration,
rather than talking about his own work, which ought to give y'all a good
idea of what he stands for.)  For instance, he showed slides of some crappy
fake UFO pictures, starts cracking jokes about them, and kinda coaxes
people on that the *whole notion* of seeing UFOs is absurd... never mind
the fact millions of people have had profound experiences with them all
over the world... never mind records from almost every culture to walk this
Earth indicate UFOs or extraterrestrial contact... I suppose millions of
people and hundreds of ancient cultures are all just wacked in the head,
every single person?  Even if it's just some weird global psychological
phenomenon that's been going on for the past 6 million years on Earth
despite the past 2 thousand years of science saying it's not real, doesn't
this at least deserve consideration and exploration when dealing with the
topic of extraterrestrials??  Well, according to "doctor"-boy here, I am
insane and probably a writer for the Weekly World News, and oh let me tell
you how fucking pleased I am to have some "official" piece of work like
"doctor" Shostak imply that I'm not sane because of all the things I and
millions of people have experienced all throughout history.  Listen, I try
to be a very nice, positive person, and I'm aware of karmic concepts and
whatnot... but when people pull my strings this hard and mislead masses of
people so blatantly... well, honestly, I would love take a big hearty piss
right back on him, and I think that would be a satisfying matter of karma
equalization actually -- I wanna take that piss not because he isn't a nice
guy or anything... I'm sure he's a swell person <ahem>...  but I want that
piss primarily because to me he is the epitome of the past several thousand
years of MY beliefs being pissed on by the scientific/technological
community... there are soooo many of us who are tired of being burned at
the stake, tired of being called "insane" or "nonsensical", tired of being
ostracized, tired of being crucified, tired of being pushed aside.  Ya dig?

He talks about abductions as bullshit, and says something like, "If people
are abducted, they could at least take a camera and get some pictures,
right?  I'd be satisfied with that."  Cracking all sortsa jokes as he goes,
making a real laughing matter out of this.  This is not a laughing matter,
and I am absolutely appalled at this.  Ummm... I've never been consciously
aware of an abduction in my own life, but from what I hear from lotsa
people -- and from good friends who have been seriously TRAUMATIZED by
these experiences -- oh sure, hey, next time my muscles are *completely*
paralyzed with fright and/or I'm getting pulled out of my physical body,
I'll be sure to grab the camera I keep under my pillow at all times in case
of alien abductions, yo!  (And if anyone ever were by chance to waltz into
his office with a picture, what do you suppose the chances are that
"doctor" Shostak would take it seriously?  Zilch, zero, nada, nothing.)  :P
*Something* traumatized these people, they believe with all their hearts
that extraterrestrials were involved, and that is their perception of
reality no matter what any "official" person tells them... so unless
"doctor" Shostak is the creator of Earthplane reality and knows everything
that goes on in the lives and perceptions of every person on the planet,
then WHO THE FUCK is he to stand up there and tell people that HIS
perception of reality is so unquestionably correct that all those millions
of people whose perceptions of reality do not conform to his own are all
misguided and in some fantasy world?  That's bogus.

In an apparent effort to squash even more of his credibilty, the good
"doctor" said humans evolving into having larger heads and different
features would be impossible because that would require years of selective
breeding and selective breeding could never happen... ummm, well, I'm gonna
cry a big fat "duh!", 'cuz that started happening with Nazi genetic shit
around World War II, so selective breeding is NOT an impossibility, and has
already been used before in various cultures on this planet.  (Probably
still is.)  And then he goes on talking about how if ETs existed and were
flying around the galaxy it would take them several thousand light years
just to get from place to place and blah blah blah scientific quantify this
and that, so it would be impossible for them to really send messages and
travel from one area of space to the next 'cuz it would take so long.
Okay, well what if time and space were not an issue once a being has
evolved its consciousness and/or technology enough to pierce beyond the
various dimensional barriers which cause us to experience space and linear
time?... and since when does the universe revolve around the speed of light
anyways, now we're going right back to when the science of the times
thought the sun revolved around Earth and based everything off of that!
And once again the painful assumption is made that all life is material and
developed just like us and wouldn't have consciousness or technology that
exists beyond the oppressive rules that science sets up for what is real
and what is not, rules which are ALWAYS being updated and corrected over
time as more is discovered; you'd think people would learn not to be so
attached to them by now.

Of course I could go on all night about this guy, but indeed, I think this
here "doctor" needs to open his propaganda-spewing mind... and while he's
at it, he ought to reconsider his repertoire of sexist and racist jokes
when he's speaking in front of people who DO have open minds.  (Dunno if
anybody caught some of the cracks he made, 'cuz he was so busy being the
swell, nifty-keen jolly fellow he is.)  Some notable comments I heard from
people who were in attendance were: "All he did was talk about shit we
learned in 5th grade."  "What's wrong with him? There are so many other
avenues to explore."  "What a joke."  "That wasn't fair to all these
ravers."  And my favorite, "How was he?  I fell asleep."  Hey, don't look
at me, these came out of other people's mouths.

I'm sorry, but this dude from SETI is a prime example of why masses of
people in this country are kept in the dark about extraterrestrial
matters... it was painfully obvious to me and to many others that his role
is not to inform people, but to mislead them and keep them in the dark
under the guise of being all official and good-hearted... feeding 'em
one-tracked closed-minded "knowledge" and stepping all over other avenues
for exploration.  If he demonstrated just one ounce of willingness to work
with other avenues of exploration, and he stopped ridiculing sirius issues,
I would back off him a little bit.  But nope.  I'm pissed.  I don't care
how nice of a fellow he is.  I was appalled.  Many people were appalled.

The issues which this "doctor" mocks and casually pushes aside are now
plaguing the mass consciousness of the planet like never before, more and
more people experience shit and are looking for answers... these
experiences demand and deserve exploration, even if merely as a
psychological phenomenon, not mockery from some SETI guy acting all
official and shit.  He can go ahead and continue his petty search, I'd much
rather see him stop wasting resources, but if he wants to continue, so be
it... sure, perhaps something might come out of picking up radio waves,
that would be cool if it worked, I'll give him that.  I can disagree with
him all day long, but I won't deny him his right to believe the things he
does or question his sanity.  It's one thing if he went about his business
and tended to his own work and left other people alone, but he did
*exactly* what I was afraid he would do, and exactly what most of these big
public-eye puppet organizations do... he's trying to convince masses of
people that his way of exploration is the only sound logical way and goes
waaaaay out of his way to point out that other legitimate avenues are
nothing but quackery... waaaay out of his way... well, I'm sorry, he can
KISS MY ASS!!!!!!!

Thank you, Star, for your blast of reasoning with your post.  I can
appreciate what you're saying, and differing viewpoints are good because we
grow through sharing them, eh?  So thanx for sharing, and do feel free to
share more here if ya want, I'd be happy to evolve more from intelligent
discussion.  (I wish you'd grace mw-raves with your wit and reason more
often, we could use it!)  But I hope you can understand where I'm coming
from.  I don't know if you can, though.  When was the last time you were
burned at the stake for having beliefs which didn't conform to oppressive
scientific/technological mass thought?  When was the last time that
everything you stood for was called quackery in front of a big group of
your free-spirited but impressionable family?  Enough's enough, I'm sorry.
(Yet at the same time, I really have nothing to apologize for.)

  Love for your open minds,
    Love for our future,

           Randy
            a d
             n        <--- Your friendly raving space brutha,
            a d            *at your service*, on a path of
           Randy              ** LIGHT = INFORMATION **

Rainbow Freq!
Department of Interdimensional Groov
osiris7@cris.com
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"To know is nothing at all;
 to imagine is everything."
        -Anatole France
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 >         We already have one.  It doesn't work so well,  
 > accuracy-wise (look
 > at the gulf war) but their contigincey for that is to place a 
 > -small-
 > nuclear warhead in the missile and do an air-burst near the 
 > incomming MIRV.
 > They would probably use a small neutron warhead, that way, damage to 
 > the
 > ground would be minimal, posible non-existant.  A hell of a lot 
 > better than
 > the loss of New York.

well, i wasn't thinking that way but i suppose that would work, but a more
logical means of defense would be to use a very strong electro-magnetic field
to fry the missile's computer, if the computer does not work, the missile
doesn't blow up
it falls to the ground and is dissasembled, this also works (and already has
been tested on) airplains, ships, auto's, satilites, and even entire cities. i
think its a fairly neat, non-violent weapon


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 > who cares if "raves" and techno are darwing in more people and are 
 > becoming more popular. as long as it is presented in such a way that 
 > 
 > creates an atmosphere true to the music. 

actually I care, and im sure a lot of other people do to, i think its great
that more people are getting involved in the scene and the music, but
unfortunately many people dont know, understand, or want to be a part of what
it's all about...peace, love, unity, vibe, evolution, spirituality, technology,
chaos.....ect ect ect. and when these people show up at a party and if there
are more than a few of them, sometimes bad things can happen and it can even
ruin someones night. and then you get the people who put on the parties, you
get a few, not many, in fact a very small percentage, of people who may look at
the whole scene and see $$$$$ it's a new trend, the next big thing to invest
in, a get rich quick scheme. they figure if they have the money to invest, get
a good space, some pretty lights, great sound, and great dj's from around the
world, charge $20 or more bucks and make a lot of cash, do this a few times a
year, and live comforatable. these people dont care who shows up, in fact they
want everyone to show up, they dont look at someone who is buying a ticket as a
contribution to the vibe, but as money. i'm not saying people shouldn't make
money from throwing a party, just that a party should be thought of as more than just that

 

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 >         Let the sellouts go and everyone else can keep it 
 > real...just 
 > don't follow the sellouts. Smaller, better parties are the key...you 
 > know 
 > where they are and who to tell.....keep the vibe alive and we'll all 
 > get 
 > out of this thing alive! 

AMEN!


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Hi All, just wanted to pass some late breaking news on to ya.  I hope I spelled 
his name right!  Laurent Garnier is spinning at the Sardine Bar in Detroit MI   
tonight from 10-2.  It may be an over 21 club, I'm not sure, the info line is   
800-700-2437 then press 2 for directions.  Oh yeah, I'm told it's a free event. 

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His speech was recorded and it is available. Just e-mail me privately to find 
out how to get a copy.

French E

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No.  It's not logical.

Perhaps, I'm being a little too literal, as I'm a philosophy major forced 
to take loads of courses on logic.

But I also wrote that post in a bit of a haste... Let me explain myself a 
bit more clearly.

Let's say you accept the premise that was originally given.  That there 
are parallel dimensions.  Fine, no problem.  Now where in that premise is 
one able to deduce that there must be other intelligent life?  That's 
like saying "Oh, there are other planets in addition to earth... 
Therefore there must be intelligent life besides our own."  It doesn't 
logically follow.  That doesn't mean it isn't a *POSSIBILITY* but to 
state such a conclusion is just as speculative as stating that there is 
intelligent life other than our own, even PRIOR to knowledge of other 
planets.  Now, continuing with the assumption that there are other 
dimensions, if one believes that these aliens/other intelligent life 
comes from them, they also have to contain the presuppositions that 1) 
There is alien life in these dimensions.  2)They have the means to 
transport themselves through space.  3)They have the means to transport 
themselves through dimensions.  

Again, as I stated in the original post, I am not dismissing the notion 
of other intelligent life.  In fact, I'm quite sure that there must be.  
I was only stating that the theory of parallel dimensions does not 
necessarily lead one to the conclusion that there must be other 
intelligent life.  On the contrary, it demands higher explanation of how 
these aliens would be able to contact/visit us than the simple 
speculation that they come from our own.

It's early :)  Let me know if I wasn't completely clear on any of this.
-Jason

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On Thursday, 8.22.96 ......... the Star Children present...
 
 
                        ANOTHER UNNAMED PARTY!  :D
 
 
 
with djs:
 
davey dave <chitown>
mindrive       /-------------------------
kee           < tha madtown posse!!!!  :D
christopher    \-------------------------
 
 
admission should be only $5.  it should be at 29. S. Mills at 
the neighborhood house.
 
directions.  take park street to regent street.  left on 
regent.  then left onto mills at the next lite by hardees.  go 
about a block down mills, and take a left on the first street 
you come to.  then take the first left into the first driveway 
you see, and you're in the back parking lot!!!!!  :D  
 
everyone should come out, because the star  children haven't 
thrown an event in quite a while.... and they deserve to see 
all of you shake your mackin' ass bootays off to these awesome 
djs they've got booked.... even if they aren't huge names.... 
theyre great locals!  :D  everyone come out!
 
info line... if you needed more info than that or just don't 
believe me!!!   :P :P :P      608.258.0098
 
 
come out so you can all be loved by me!  and i dunno what i'll 
be wearing, but you'll be able to find me.  email me if yer 
goin!  :D :D
 
jon/shine.
 
NP:  The Suicide Machines - Hey  SKA!  :D
 


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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

i'm so happy that the flame fest has not continued into my mail on this fine
morning  :D  and i'm also very happy to get party reviews of io3 finally!!!!!! 
thanks goes out to randy, hion, dylan d <my apologies still go out to ya,
man!>, kc, and whomever else i missed with a party review.. thats just off the
top of my head but THANK YOU!!!  cuz i wanted to know how it would turn out...
:D

sounds like local mindrive and chitown efex still rock tha house together.  is
efex gunna be at ufo 3?  i ferget.

i guess if he's gonna be, i'll be sure to be there just cuz he's a really good
dj..... and his tape has completely grown on me..  and I WANT IT BACK FROM MY
FRIEND!  :P

jon/shine.


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 21 08:58:54 1996
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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Jason S Shapiro wrote:

> 
> Let's say you accept the premise that was originally given.  That there 
> are parallel dimensions.  Fine, no problem.  Now where in that premise is 
> one able to deduce that there must be other intelligent life?  That's 
> like saying "Oh, there are other planets in addition to earth... 
> Therefore there must be intelligent life besides our own."  It doesn't 
> logically follow.  That doesn't mean it isn't a *POSSIBILITY* but to 
> state such a conclusion is just as speculative as stating that there is 
> intelligent life other than our own, even PRIOR to knowledge of other 
> planets.  Now, continuing with the assumption that there are other 
> dimensions, if one believes that these aliens/other intelligent life 
> comes from them, they also have to contain the presuppositions that 1) 
> There is alien life in these dimensions.  2)They have the means to 
> transport themselves through space.  3)They have the means to transport 
> themselves through dimensions.  
one way to look at it would be mathematically.  say there is a very tiny
possibility of intellegent life in another universe.  a further tiny
possibility that the life has the ability to travel between dimensions.
Now say there is a very large (approaching infinite) number of universes.
As the number of universes approachs infinity the probability of all
possibilities approachs unity.  therefore, if there are a infinity number
of universes, then not only is everything possible it is actually
probable.  The primary variables here are # of universes and the
probability of the various events happening.  quantum mechanics is a very
interesting field.  For a very amusing take of the whole thing read
Schrodenger's Cat by Robert Anton Wilson.  In fact read everything Wilson
writes.


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on friday, august 23rd, in madison WI.... purple productions brings you:



H     H           PPPPPP          CCCCCC         TTTTTTT         H     H
H     H           P    P  sssss   C                 T            H     H
HHHHHHH   ooooo   PPPPPP   ss     C       ooooo     T    ccccc   HHHHHHH
H     H   o   o   P          ss   C       o   o     T    c       H     H
H     H   ooooo   P       sssss   CCCCCC  ooooo     T    ccccc   H     H


featuring:

DJ Toni         virtual records - spain
                happy hardcore & trance

David Hollands  minimum wage records - nyc

Lego            shroom recd's, n-joy - chicago

Anonymous       the crack junglist from madison

Nolee           galaxy - chicago

Chris           fak-eye - madison

DJ Nimh         spinning jungle with live emcee:  makai  - madison


this party will NOT exceed $10!!!

main info line:

PURPLE:  608.275 3593

other support:

ultra.violet - 312.370.5080
3Dmented     - 414.730.6157



and everyone should be there because my friend is throwin the party.  :D  and
hes a cool guy, so that's reason enough to show up.  its a prime rib
location... its pretty rad.  seeya all there!  :D  

jon/shine.


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So, I have tons of numbers off the calender, but I have no idea which are
general info line numners..

If I'm in Chicago on a weekend looking for fun, what info lines are the best?

peace
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Hey everyone:

I'll be going to Madison for this party... It's my first trip to Madison 
so I hope to meet any of you mw-ravers there!!!


Useless description:  Red hair... all in braids, pulled back...

-Jason

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weird logic. if you want i can toss the experiment to ya, its been done 
like millions of times over, across the world. shrug, dont matter to me.
mike

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:

> scientific-smchientific ... science only PROVES things to people who 
> believe it.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 	Hrm, i just got finished reading this book about quantum 
> > mechancics, (pretty technical stuff, but the author used lots of 
> > analogies and stuff) and what it said would totaly support parallel 
> > universes, cuz like someone said (i forget who) about the cat, basicly it 
> > comes down to this: atoms and electrons and photons move about in 
> > probabilty waves, not like a car does. imagine if you've got a car, and 
> > you point it north and send it off (i dunno, a brick on the gas pedal or 
> > something) when you're not looking at it you assume its somewhere 
> > north-ish, and you can even use math like how fast its supposed to be 
> > going and stuff to figure out where it should be. but you'll never know 
> > for sure till you look at it. thats sorta how photons work, but its been 
> > proven using statisics and experiments (i sorta got lost on how the stats 
> > bit worked) that not only can you not be sure where the photon is, even 
> > the photon itself isnt sure about it, unless something looks at it, an 
> > electroscope (or whatever), an eyeball, etc.
> > 	of course since 'reality' is made of atoms and electrons and 
> > photons all piled together, unless something is being watched it becomes 
> > uncertain of its position in space/time. i mean, the odds of you leaving 
> > your room and coming back to find its a tropical rainforest are kinda 
> > small since the probabiltiy of that happening is infinitesimal, but 
> > scientificily it IS possible.
> > 	but about parallel universes, since the photon isnt sure in our 
> > reality where it is till its looked it, and if a parallel universe is 
> > started every time something 'decides' where it is (assuming that somehow 
> > some part of it decides otherwise and creates a universe) that would mean 
> > there's practicly infinitly many parallel universes. (cuz i mean photons 
> > decide where they're at almost every millisecond, so...)
> > 
> > 	hm... that would mean that every universe has like a probability 
> > rating somehow, i mean cuz each photon's decision has a probability of 
> > occuring so it would be possible to calculate a given universe's 
> > probability of existing, if you could take into accound all the photons, 
> > electrons, etc. probability of making whatever choice they made.
> > 
> > anyhoo, did i bore anyone yet? :)
> > just my thoughts on the subject,
> > plur
> > mike
> > 
> 
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wait, you're wrong...

On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Jason S Shapiro wrote:

> No.  It's not logical.
> 
> Perhaps, I'm being a little too literal, as I'm a philosophy major forced 
> to take loads of courses on logic.
> 
> But I also wrote that post in a bit of a haste... Let me explain myself a 
> bit more clearly.
> 
> Let's say you accept the premise that was originally given.  That there 
> are parallel dimensions.  Fine, no problem.  Now where in that premise is 
> one able to deduce that there must be other intelligent life?  That's 
> like saying "Oh, there are other planets in addition to earth... 
> Therefore there must be intelligent life besides our own."  It doesn't 
> logically follow.  That doesn't mean it isn't a *POSSIBILITY* but to 
> state such a conclusion is just as speculative as stating that there is 
> intelligent life other than our own, even PRIOR to knowledge of other 
> planets. 

	but if the accepted way of parrallel universes begining is that a 
photon chooses one thing in one universe and another in a different one, 
thereby creating a new universe, the number of parallel univeres has been 
expanding at an incredible rate since the begining of time, so there are 
practicly infinitly many parallel universes. and in an infinite space, 
the probability of finding anything (namely intelligent life that can 
trasverse time and space and dimensions, in this case- it could just as 
well be a chocolate donut with enough frosting on it) is 100%

 Now, continuing with the assumption that there are other 
> dimensions, if one believes that these aliens/other intelligent life 
> comes from them, they also have to contain the presuppositions that 1) 
> There is alien life in these dimensions.  2)They have the means to 
> transport themselves through space.  3)They have the means to transport 
> themselves through dimensions.  

see above :)

> 
> Again, as I stated in the original post, I am not dismissing the notion 
> of other intelligent life.  In fact, I'm quite sure that there must be.  
> I was only stating that the theory of parallel dimensions does not 
> necessarily lead one to the conclusion that there must be other 
> intelligent life.  On the contrary, it demands higher explanation of how 
> these aliens would be able to contact/visit us than the simple 
> speculation that they come from our own.
> 

btw, the same probability thoery shtuff holds true to the idea of aliens 
in our own dimension, cuz  our reality is a finite space continually 
expanding at the speed of light (er, or so most folx belive) so its also 
(practicly speaking) infinitly huge, so...

of course this is all probability and number games but logically it makes 
perfect sense, and of course this is assuming that humans acutally have a 
grasp of whats going on in the cosmos, but for the sake of argument lets 
assume we do :) (sorry too much H.P. Lovecraft recently)

anyhoo, peace and love
mike

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Personally, I thought that what I heard of the his talk was hilarious.
One reason we brought Dr. Shostak out was to provide a counterpoint the
'alien mania' present in the scene.  We thought that presenting a
differing viewpoint would be interesting and informative.  BTW, He had a
far larger and more attentive audience that then Guru from last year.  At
least the subject matter seemed to appeal to more people.  As for not
liking him my take on the situation was that about 40% thought he was
great, %30 thought it was good, 20% didn't particularly like it and 10%
hated it.  My personal views fall between osiris and Dr. Shostak, like
most of us.  We get plenty of representation from Osiris's side so now we
get   little from the other end.  I certainly don't agree with everything
he said and the jury is still out on aliens in our time as far as I am
concerned.  I do know that Seth believes there are other Cilizations in
existance just not that we are in contact with them.  I do know that he
thinks the idea of benevelant aliens is even less likely. On this I agree.
If they are here they aren't here to help us without ulterior motives.
Anyway, sorry osiris couldn't appreciated the talk, but then again his
zine probably receives the same reaction from some people.  Different
people have different viewpoints.  Hopefully, most people enjoyed the
speach, and from my information they did.  We don't ask you to believe
what was said.  Hell, we don't agree with everything said, but take the
knowledge offered and use it.  Thats what we wanted everyone to get from
the speach:  Knowledge of where the scientific community stood as
presented from a friendly source.

tim

ps. Osiris, I had a copy of your zine but someone took it before I could
read it, if you send me a copy I would appreciate it.



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September 07.1996.memphis.tn.some more good times.com/members
the scene: we dedicate this party indirectly to the scene.  to all those 
who have succeeded the vibe.  to all those who are in search of the 
vibe.  we have all worked hard towards the evolution of this unity 
tribe.  the music, freedom of expression, the will to find the true path 
as well as hella-good times.  so release your energy, find the 
unseekable.  it's all you and me...feel the vibe.

josh werner - strictly rhythm - chicago
j. sinister - blackwiz, slip'n'slide - zestland recd's, san diego
mystic bill - h.p.s., tweaked, trax recd's, sounds - chicago
la rick - shape family, those two kids - memphis
jajo - st. louis, mo
kid j. - those two kids, shape family -memphis
jason s. - shape family, those two kids - memphis

$15 @ the door
$10 w/2 canned food donations 

Main info lines:
C.P.p./those two kids/shape family: 901.754.0808
BAM:615.780.3730
That Girl:314.995.9518
Insomniac:615.954.2313
Vibe Alive:312.604.1676
More support lines:
billebob wheatables:313.417.4709
Yum Yum:513.648.9647
Spawntaneous:216.779.7188



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...i really wasn't cutting down on anyone's values ... all i was saying 
is that Nothing is Proven unless you Believe it.  read it again and you
should see that.

-tamzin

On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 ultimate.platypus@njackn.com wrote:
> 
> >scientific-smchientific ... science only PROVES things to people who 
> >believe it.
> 
> ok, that was from tamzin.
> 
> and the same can be said for religions, or ANYTHING.  but we are all entitled
> to our own beliefs..... i'm sure you believe in some things and i don't think
> that you would like it if people were cutting down on your values either.
> 
> smile ahead!
> 
> jon.
> 
> 


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From: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: non rave related: parallel universes
To: michael alfred wieher <wieher@students.uiuc.edu>
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...okay, WHY does everyone seem to think that i was being insulting or 
something?!?  :(  	

what i was simply pointing out that if you do NOT believe in something 
(say God for example) then that something does NOT exist to you.  period.

that's all,
  -tamzin.

On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:

> 
> 
> weird logic. if you want i can toss the experiment to ya, its been done 
> like millions of times over, across the world. shrug, dont matter to me.
> mike
> 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:
> 
> > scientific-smchientific ... science only PROVES things to people who 
> > believe it.
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 	Hrm, i just got finished reading this book about quantum 
> > > mechancics, (pretty technical stuff, but the author used lots of 
> > > analogies and stuff) and what it said would totaly support parallel 
> > > universes, cuz like someone said (i forget who) about the cat, basicly it 
> > > comes down to this: atoms and electrons and photons move about in 
> > > probabilty waves, not like a car does. imagine if you've got a car, and 
> > > you point it north and send it off (i dunno, a brick on the gas pedal or 
> > > something) when you're not looking at it you assume its somewhere 
> > > north-ish, and you can even use math like how fast its supposed to be 
> > > going and stuff to figure out where it should be. but you'll never know 
> > > for sure till you look at it. thats sorta how photons work, but its been 
> > > proven using statisics and experiments (i sorta got lost on how the stats 
> > > bit worked) that not only can you not be sure where the photon is, even 
> > > the photon itself isnt sure about it, unless something looks at it, an 
> > > electroscope (or whatever), an eyeball, etc.
> > > 	of course since 'reality' is made of atoms and electrons and 
> > > photons all piled together, unless something is being watched it becomes 
> > > uncertain of its position in space/time. i mean, the odds of you leaving 
> > > your room and coming back to find its a tropical rainforest are kinda 
> > > small since the probabiltiy of that happening is infinitesimal, but 
> > > scientificily it IS possible.
> > > 	but about parallel universes, since the photon isnt sure in our 
> > > reality where it is till its looked it, and if a parallel universe is 
> > > started every time something 'decides' where it is (assuming that somehow 
> > > some part of it decides otherwise and creates a universe) that would mean 
> > > there's practicly infinitly many parallel universes. (cuz i mean photons 
> > > decide where they're at almost every millisecond, so...)
> > > 
> > > 	hm... that would mean that every universe has like a probability 
> > > rating somehow, i mean cuz each photon's decision has a probability of 
> > > occuring so it would be possible to calculate a given universe's 
> > > probability of existing, if you could take into accound all the photons, 
> > > electrons, etc. probability of making whatever choice they made.
> > > 
> > > anyhoo, did i bore anyone yet? :)
> > > just my thoughts on the subject,
> > > plur
> > > mike
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ..............................................................................
> > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> > In corner was a rich surprise of new-blown, crystal-dewed roses ...
> > 		  						
> > TaMZiN McPhERsOn	|	wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca	|
> > ..............................................................................
> > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> > 
> > 
> 


..............................................................................
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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:

> scientific-smchientific ... science only PROVES things to people who 
> believe it.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Spoken like a true heretic!





> 
> 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 	Hrm, i just got finished reading this book about quantum 
> > mechancics, (pretty technical stuff, but the author used lots of 
> > analogies and stuff) and what it said would totaly support parallel 
> > universes, cuz like someone said (i forget who) about the cat, basicly it 
> > comes down to this: atoms and electrons and photons move about in 
> > probabilty waves, not like a car does. imagine if you've got a car, and 
> > you point it north and send it off (i dunno, a brick on the gas pedal or 
> > something) when you're not looking at it you assume its somewhere 
> > north-ish, and you can even use math like how fast its supposed to be 
> > going and stuff to figure out where it should be. but you'll never know 
> > for sure till you look at it. thats sorta how photons work, but its been 
> > proven using statisics and experiments (i sorta got lost on how the stats 
> > bit worked) that not only can you not be sure where the photon is, even 
> > the photon itself isnt sure about it, unless something looks at it, an 
> > electroscope (or whatever), an eyeball, etc.
> > 	of course since 'reality' is made of atoms and electrons and 
> > photons all piled together, unless something is being watched it becomes 
> > uncertain of its position in space/time. i mean, the odds of you leaving 
> > your room and coming back to find its a tropical rainforest are kinda 
> > small since the probabiltiy of that happening is infinitesimal, but 
> > scientificily it IS possible.
> > 	but about parallel universes, since the photon isnt sure in our 
> > reality where it is till its looked it, and if a parallel universe is 
> > started every time something 'decides' where it is (assuming that somehow 
> > some part of it decides otherwise and creates a universe) that would mean 
> > there's practicly infinitly many parallel universes. (cuz i mean photons 
> > decide where they're at almost every millisecond, so...)
> > 
> > 	hm... that would mean that every universe has like a probability 
> > rating somehow, i mean cuz each photon's decision has a probability of 
> > occuring so it would be possible to calculate a given universe's 
> > probability of existing, if you could take into accound all the photons, 
> > electrons, etc. probability of making whatever choice they made.
> > 
> > anyhoo, did i bore anyone yet? :)
> > just my thoughts on the subject,
> > plur
> > mike
> > 
> 
> 
> ..............................................................................
> ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> In corner was a rich surprise of new-blown, crystal-dewed roses ...
> 		  						
> TaMZiN McPhERsOn	|	wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca	|
> ..............................................................................
> ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> 
> 

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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, VJ ZMAN (Jim Zim) wrote:

> 
> Hi All, just wanted to pass some late breaking news on to ya.  I hope I spelled 
> his name right!  Laurent Garnier is spinning at the Sardine Bar in Detroit MI   
> tonight from 10-2.  It may be an over 21 club, I'm not sure, the info line is   
> 800-700-2437 then press 2 for directions.  Oh yeah, I'm told it's a free event. 


	didn't a chick get SHOT at his gig over the weekend w/ Stacey Pullen??

Pete



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I dont think I saw this on the calendar... It's too late to get it on
there if it's not already. But I thought i'd let people know about it.

Firday, August 23rd
HUSH productions brings you back...

Underground

Tim Taylor (UK)
Astral Matrix (San Francisco- preforming a live PA)
Abstrakt (san fran junglist)
UFO (another san fran junglist)
(some others that I can't remeber)
Brand/Overdose (minneapolis)
Stylus (minneapolis)

Rumor has it the tickets will be $15. but i can't confirm that.

I dont remember the info-line number.  
you can call U-80 at 612.909.1559 and I think dustin has the number posted
there
Otherwise, we might have it on the minneapolis idea project voicemail (i
cant remember) and you can call there at 612.362.3387  If you call us,
please leave a message, even if it's just to say hi!

chris e

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On 21 Aug 96 at 9:17, Jason S Shapiro wrote:

> Let's say you accept the premise that was originally given.  That there
> are parallel dimensions.

why parallell?  why couldn't there be perpendicular dimensions?  and what
would some of the characteristics be of those perpendicular dimensions? 
would there be the same number of dimensions as our reality now holds
(including dimensions beyond time and space that we have not played in
yet) or would there be just one, just two, just three, or an infinite 
number of dimensions that are the *real* reality and it turns out that it 
is in fact WE who are in the perpindicular dimensions?  this *could* be 
just the case you know.  it really could be this way.  it could be US that 
does everything sideways.  it does make sense, doesn't it?  i mean, we can 
easily see that we were meant to be peaceful beings with order amid chaos, 
but somehow we just don't quite get it right.  examples of how our method 
of viewing our reality illustrates the fact that we are in a perpindicular 
set of dimensions to the reality where we could achive maximum impact 
abound, but i shall save that for another post.

> Fine, no problem.  Now where in that premise is
> one able to deduce that there must be other intelligent life?  That's
> like saying "Oh, there are other planets in addition to earth...
> Therefore there must be intelligent life besides our own."  It doesn't
> logically follow.  

i totally agree with you there. that is like saying "that restraunt is 
named Kentucky Fried +Chicken+, therfore they must serve loads of eggs"! 

> That doesn't mean it isn't a *POSSIBILITY* but to
> state such a conclusion is just as speculative as stating that there is
> intelligent life other than our own, even PRIOR to knowledge of other
> planets.  Now, continuing with the assumption that there are other
> dimensions, if one believes that these aliens/other intelligent life
> comes from them, they also have to contain the presuppositions that 1)
> There is alien life in these dimensions.  2)They have the means to
> transport themselves through space.  3)They have the means to transport
> themselves through dimensions.  

the fact that you say that they would need a way to transport themselves
through space *and* through dimensions highlights a common misconception
about reality.  it is widely mistaken that the first dimesnion is not
necesserily linked to the second and the > Again, as I stated in the
original post, I am not dismissing the notion > of other intelligent life.
 In fact, I'm quite sure that there must be. 

take, for instance, me.  ;)

> I was only stating that the theory of parallel dimensions does not
> necessarily lead one to the conclusion that there must be other
> intelligent life.  


no, but the provable existence of _dimensions_ period *would* necesserily 
lead to the conclusion that there is other intelligent life other than our 
own, because even if the human animal was smart enough to think up such a 
great idea for reality, we would never be able to agree on a method for 
the best way to organize it.  therefore it must follow that we have a 
nonhuman leader who is assumedly smarter, obviously nonhuman, and 
preexistant of all human life, and even preexistent of all dimensions.

> On the contrary, it demands higher explanation of how
> these aliens would be able to contact/visit us than the simple
> speculation that they come from our own.

in response to that i would like to point out that coconuts aren't 
migratory, and while swallows are, a four ounce bird could not carry a two 
pound coconut *regardless* of where he grasps it.

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randy, i had so much to say to what you wrote that i won't bother saying it
all because it would take me way to long. i will say this: remember that
your views on this matter (and other matters) are way out there as compared
with most others. and like it or not, if anyone can ever do something like
convince congress to spend a great deal of money on the search for
extraterrestrial life, it's going to be someone like Dr. Shostak and SETI,
with scientifically supportable agruments. that just the way it works. you
can either piss all over Dr. Shostak and SETI, or you can support him and
look at SETI as a tool to bring yourself and others closer to confirming
your own beliefs.

i would also ask you to consider reading up on the history and philosophy of
science, seeing how you have a rather negative view of it. as far as the
constantly changing rules of science which you mentioned are concerned, that
is what science is about. if any teacher, professor, or scientist ever tells
you that something is 100% scientific Truth, slap them silly as they don't
know how science works.

-kc


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(i can't take it any more, i'm sure there is a lot more i could say about 
this, but i have been in this chair too long..i'm going to go ahead and 
send this, submitted for your approval and critique)

On 21 Aug 96 at 9:17, Jason S Shapiro wrote:

> Let's say you accept the premise that was originally given.  That there
> are parallel dimensions.

why parallell?  why couldn't there be perpendicular dimensions?  and what
would some of the characteristics be of those perpendicular dimensions? 
would there be the same number of dimensions as our reality now holds
(including dimensions beyond time and space that we have not played in
yet) or would there be just one, just two, just three, or an infinite 
number of dimensions that are the *real* reality and it turns out that it 
is in fact WE who are in the perpindicular dimensions?  this *could* be 
just the case you know.  it really could be this way.  it could be US that 
does everything sideways.  it does make sense, doesn't it?  i mean, we can 
easily see that we were meant to be peaceful beings with order amid chaos, 
but somehow we just don't quite get it right.  examples of how our method 
of viewing our reality illustrates the fact that we are in a perpindicular 
set of dimensions to the reality where we could achive maximum impact 
abound, but i shall save that for another post.

> Fine, no problem.  Now where in that premise is
> one able to deduce that there must be other intelligent life?  That's
> like saying "Oh, there are other planets in addition to earth...
> Therefore there must be intelligent life besides our own."  It doesn't
> logically follow.  

i totally agree with you there. that is like saying "that restraunt is 
named Kentucky Fried +Chicken+, therfore they must serve loads of eggs"! 

> That doesn't mean it isn't a *POSSIBILITY* but to
> state such a conclusion is just as speculative as stating that there is
> intelligent life other than our own, even PRIOR to knowledge of other
> planets.

absolutely, my coexistor! youknow, confidentially, i sometimes wonder 
about the existence of intelligent life on THIS planet.  i mean who are we 
to call what we call life "life" and what we call living "living"?  and 
this PLANET...now, i know this dips into the realm of conspiracy theorem, 
but how many of us have actually seen it from a different vantage point to 
certify that it is indeed round, or indeed a planet at all?  i mean, we 
don't trust or government or NASA on a host of other counts, why on earth 
should we trust them with this? intelligent life indeed.

> Now, continuing with the assumption that there are other
> dimensions, if one believes that these aliens/other intelligent life
> comes from them, they also have to contain the presuppositions that 1)
> There is alien life in these dimensions.  2)They have the means to
> transport themselves through space.  3)They have the means to transport
> themselves through dimensions.  

the fact that you say that they would need a way to transport themselves
through space *and* through dimensions highlights a common misconception
about reality.  it is widely mistaken that the first dimesnion is not
necesserily linked to the second and the second to the third and so on. 
time is not necesserily locked in it's relationship to space.  sure, we
organize it that way, and we require three dimentions simply for physical
existance (have you ever tried to sit in a two dimensional chair, or read
a one dimensional letter?  not fun, take it from me) but that is just
because it is the way we are in our view or the world and any other life
forms beyond ours may use some, none, or all of these dimensions for the
same or differing purposes or perhaps they have not discovered all of
them!  but someone alien to us, for example may use what we call the
second dimension for the same purposes as we use what we call the first
or third dimension. or, there might be a buffet style situation such that
a form of existance may pick and choose which dimensions it would like to
exist in and what role it would like to have that dimension serve.  with
a nod to the concept that our whole existance could be the pocket fluff
or nocutournal dream of some other immensely huge being, we *just might*
be the result of a big cosmic buffet.  do not shield your eyes to this
truth, my friends, living in blindness from the facts will not be an
accepted answer once we finally gather at the cosmic point-of-sale. and
of course, if we are actually in perpendicular dimensions, rather than
parallel dimensions to those alien beings, we may not even realize this
for a very, very long time.

> Again, as I stated in the original post, I am not dismissing the notion
> of other intelligent life. In fact, I'm quite sure that there must be.

take, for instance, me.  ;)

> I was only stating that the theory of parallel dimensions does not
> necessarily lead one to the conclusion that there must be other
> intelligent life.  


no, but the provable existence of _dimensions_ period *would* necesserily 
lead to the conclusion that there is other intelligent life other than our 
own, because even if the human animal was smart enough to think up such a 
great idea for reality, we would never be able to agree on a method for 
the best way to organize it.  therefore it must follow that we have a 
nonhuman leader who is assumedly smarter, obviously nonhuman, and 
preexistant of all human life, and even preexistent of all dimensions.

> On the contrary, it demands higher explanation of how
> these aliens would be able to contact/visit us than the simple
> speculation that they come from our own.

in response to that i would like to point out that coconuts aren't 
migratory, and while swallows are, a four ounce bird could not carry a two 
pound coconut *regardless* of where he grasps it.

--star*  (shitmachine)


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> commercialism=bad for raves.
> 
> sure, the flyers are cool to look at.  sure, its great to know the
> dj lineup(something to be kept on a flyer).  but i dont like seeing
> some people at raves that dont belong there.  im sure there are
> people out there like me that dont like seeing preps that made fun
> of you in high school at a rave.
>  they're there just to show up and tell there friends they went to a
>  rave.
>    i wish raves were seen as more uncool.  that way the people who
>    love the
> scene and love to dance would be the only ones there.
Welllll...
The first rave I went to, I wasn't "into the scene", I wasn't a 
"experienced dancer", I was just there because I wanted to see what 
it was like.  I didn't just wake up one morning with a love for the scene 
and the incredible urge to dance.  I went to one, liked it, and now I 
try to get out every weekend.  My point is, people who have never 
been to a rave before will go to raves.  If they didn't, the scene 
would die as we all got old and bedridden.  If they are the type of 
person who enjoys dancing and the good vibe they 
hopefully experience, they will do it again, and they will help the 
scene grow.  If they are the type of person who would not enjoy it 
and would be a negative addition to the scene, they probably won't 
come back.  In my mind, the whole point of the scene is not to be 
underground, but to bring people together to listen to great music, 
dance, and share good feelings.  You have to realize that people have 
to start somewhere and that everybody on this list went to their 
first rave a first-timer.  I've seen some elitism on this group, and 
I don't really think that it's justified.  As for comercialism, it 
could be good, and it could be bad, I havent thought about it. 

    I find it interesting that on MTV, if you see a MTV music awards 
commercial, they have techno is the background, but they are talking 
about bands like Hootie an the Blowfish, Beck, and G Kelly.  
Apparently techno is seen as cool enuf to be played constantly on the 
Grind, but not yet popular enuf for videos or awards.
Just my $0.02 on the subject. Sorry if I ramble.
Alex


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>...okay, WHY does everyone seem to think that i was being insulting or 
>something?!?  :(  	
>
>what i was simply pointing out that if you do NOT believe in something 
>(say God for example) then that something does NOT exist to you.  period.
>
>that's all,
>  -tamzin.

okay...so...lets say i dont believe in god...then, you are correct....he
does not exist to *ME*...but were still left with the *ACTUAL* truth of the
matter...that being --- no one knows for sure...not about much really...i
mean...no one knows fer sure about paralell dimensions, aliens, god, or
smurfs for sure...its all speculation, theory, philosophy, religion, and
science which feeds us the shit...then we pick and choose amongst all of it
what fits with our lifestyle and our belief system...but the problem still
exists...what is the *REAL* truth...

*hugs* as always...

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okie dokie...

josh is gettin on a soap box again...please excuse me...

just my 2 sense ;)

soaps...

commercialism is bad fer the scene, or so many seem to believe....

whelp...i DISagree 110%...yes, 110%...why?...well...lets put things inta
perspective...

if companies and corporations putting money into a rave (despite the fact
theyll make some back from it) is bad?...why is that?...

i guess if ppl are gonna stress over commercialism, they need to first
realize a few things, check the scene, and most importnatly, check themselves...

you wanna know what i think is bad fer our beloved scene...im gonna tell ya
anyway... :)

crystal meth, glass, coke, speed, ...tweak drugs in general...and to a
certain extenet, *ALL* drugs are bad fer our scene...now dont get me
wrong...i have, and still do, do my share of drugs...but i stay away from
the tweaker drugs...the drugs that wire you out, make you become an asshole
when you come down or cant get anymore...thats the bad shit...bunk drugs are
just as bad too...ppl getting dicked over fer something they cant return or
exchange is phukked up...thats stealing...plain and simple...if you sold a
bunk hit of e and knew it was bunk...you just stole that persons 20
bucks...and thats PHUKKED!...

fashion victimization...its all good to want to look good, smooth, pimp, and
all that...but when going to a party becomes going to a fashion show (and
dont deny that it happens kwite often) then its all phukked...every party i
go to i see ppl doggin on someone cuz their pants arent phat...or their
shoes are whack...or this or that...the rave scene started out about being
yerself, lovin the musik, and comin together to get away from all the
segrargation, degradation, and demoralization of the world as a
whole...rite?....well...

damn...i could go and on and on and on...but i think you get the pikture...

so what is really wrong with camel, mountain dew, or charmin fer crissakes,
supporting a rave?...they got the phat lineup, rite?...they got the phresh
as hell space, rite?...maybe tickets are a bit spendy...and the crowd doesnt
all know what the real deal is...but why be a bitch about it?...maybe you
should kwit stressin over that shit and get back to the real shit and go
intoroduce yerself, offer them a hug or a blowpop, and get to know
em...answer their kwestions...try to educate them...take them under yer wing
perhaps?...not EVERYone knows whats up rite away (or even after kwite a
while)...alotta the shit about the scene is observed learning...but just as
much (maybe more?) is taught learning...

*hugs*

JOSH!

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...yes, what you wrote is true ... everyone of us has our own TRUTH and 
that to us is REAL.  and i guess that's the best we can do because we may 
never know the *REAL* truth, and say we were faced with it - probably 
only half of us would choose to believe it anyhow.

did that make any sense whatsoever?!
	-tamzin  :)

> okay...so...lets say i dont believe in god...then, you are correct....he
> does not exist to *ME*...but were still left with the *ACTUAL* truth of the
> matter...that being --- no one knows for sure...not about much really...i
> mean...no one knows fer sure about paralell dimensions, aliens, god, or
> smurfs for sure...its all speculation, theory, philosophy, religion, and
> science which feeds us the shit...then we pick and choose amongst all of it
> what fits with our lifestyle and our belief system...but the problem still
> exists...what is the *REAL* truth...
> 
> *hugs* as always...
> 
> JOSH!
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Well, we had basically the same experience as far as timelots and
dj'ing go.  I got to the party around 5pm on friday afternoon.
I saw I would be spinning on the Drop Bass System at 5am
saturday morning.  So I asked kurt if i would indeed be
spinning at that time.  He said,"You will be spinning at
5am."   ok, that's settled...i go to have fun.

I go back to the drop bass system at 4:30 with my records and
some guy is back there going through his bag.  4:50 comes
along and this guy plugs his headphones into the mixer, and
puts on a record.  I am wondering what is going on, considering that
a new dj just stepped on, and I am supposed to play in ten minutes.
5am rolls around, and he is still spinning, and I am standing there
with my headphones on, ready to plug them in.  He puts on another
record.  After he mixes it, and has a chance to talk, I ask him
if he is playing in the 5-6 timeslot.  He says he is, so I tell
him that is fine, and I'll just play the 6-7 slot instead.  I'm
really the last person to argue over a timeslot.

Well, I find out this guy is Dan Efex...so i got bumped by dan efex...
not a big deal, YET.

I get back there at 5:50 with my records, and get ready to spin.
Xian and another cinci guy are there with their records, and
they are getting ready to go on.  I say,"Did you guys know that
the timeslots got bumped an hour."  They tell me that freche
told them that they were supposed to spin in the 6-8 (2 hours)
slot.  So they said they would be nice and give me a half
hour of their set.  I said,"dont bother, i'm going to bed."

Went to my car with my records...passed the fuck out...woke up,
walked around, and drove all the way back to dayton without
spinning, or staying for saturday night.  Fucking waste of my
weekend. Luckily i spun a tag-team set in dayton at a club
on saturday night which lasted for about 3 hours.  At least
the weekend wasnt a complete loss. 

feel free to forward this to whoever you wish.  

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never fear Elias I figured out why your posts weren't working...
everything you post as of now should be cool.
-jeff
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> Doesn't he want to call home ALL foreign troops? I don't think most of 
> the public is even aware of all the places we have troops. Hell, I don't 
> even know, except for Germany and Japan and Puerto Rico and... hell, 
> probably tons of places.

i know they're also in south korea, italy, u.k., saudi arabia, the
other territories (in addition to puerto rico) but maybe that's not
technically foreign. anyway i think there's americans stationed in
more countries than not.

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> actually he specifically said ALL taxes...and that the government
c could still
bebe run more efficeintly on the tarrifs and import taxes and even pay
of> off the
> nation al debt in 6 years by auctioning off all the unused government
> la nd, oil
c companies, electric companies, ect ect...all which is estimated to be
at l> least
2 20 trillion dollors!!!!thats a lot o' cash
 
well this (along with getting rid of shit like d.a.r.e. (!) like
somebody else said, then hopefully it would get replaced with
education about drugs that is not lies + is actually useful) is a good
idea...but only on a short term basis. the national debt is already in
the trillions anyway altho i'm not sure how many trillion, so 20
trillion $s might eliminate it or get rid of part of it. but if
a finite amount of resources are auctioned, u get a finite amount of
$--which u can't run a govt on because it will run out. now, there's
something i'm confused about. i'm terrible about understanding
anything financial. i don't understand the natl debt, we owe this $ to
other countries or what? why have we so far been allowed to not pay
it? what will happen to us if we never do pay it?
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Hey all,

     Well, here I am after work Tuesday morning and I am *still* on a post
party high  :)  I think I have my thoughts together so here I go.  I had just
*too* much fun this weekend.  It had a couple of bumpy times but on the whole
I had a blast!

     First I want to thank a few ppl who came to my rescue during some of my
"down" times.  Liz, it really does help when you are here IRL- when are we
going to start listening to our own advice??  Crunchie, Now I see why everyone
says you are the bomb  :)  Good luck at your ex GF dodging  ;)  Bret, Yes, you
know who is a hottie.  and things got even better later - email me for more
details  :)  BTW, I am serious about helping you and Dave out if you want.
joEker, You get my vote for most dedicated raver.  Although I think I may have
caught your illness  :(  Beware of psycho red heads  ;)

     OK, I guess I should go on with ppl since I have already started :)  It
was AWESOME to see/meet and spend quality time with; Tom (thanks for the movies
See you soon.  I *loved* your tape), Liz (nuff said), Derek (I am sick I missed
your and Tom's set but I am glad you made it out b4 the storm hit),
Spike723 (Thanks for the rushed ride to the stage), Ben (I guess I'll just
keep the muffin pan  ;)  ), Masa (Thanks *tons* for the tape, although one is
missing  :(   ), The Medics - Bret and Dave (you guys ROCK!  Thanks for the
medical attention, the company, and letting me help), Becky ( Congrats to you
and Marc.  Thanks for the water, you saved me from thirst and massive pain),
Sahin (Why didn't you warn us you were so cute?? I was way glad to meet you),
Crunchie ( What can I say??  I am *so* glad you stayed.  Talk to you soon),
joEker (you were one of my main reasons for going too.  Thanks for the "offers"
and for understanding why I couldn't  :)  ), Jamie (Good luck on your decision
and if you have any more questions email me), Cappie ( I love free hugs too :)
Sorry we didn't get to talk more but may be next time  :)   ), JJ (I finally
get to meet the man behind the madness.  I am glad you got into the car), Feelgood, Frenche ( great party, great site), Seth, Sho, and Feelgood  :)  I guess
that's about it.  Shouts out to everyone I forgot.  I met sooo many ppl at
the net pot luck dinner and elsewhere I *know* I am forgetting a lot of ppl!

     Ok, the weekend went pretty well.  Liz got here around 1:40 and we got on
the road around 3:30.  If you haven't guessed by now, she was my special guest
that went with me  :)  The drive was longer than we thought so we ended up
putting the tent up in the dark.  Liz then took off to check thing out while
I set up the rest of our stuff.  Liz then pulls up like a bat out of hell with
Spike723.  He drove me to the stage ASAP b/c Tom and Derek were on.  Well, I
ran into Ben on the walkway and as we hugged hello I heard the last 3 cords of
Derek and Tom's set  :(  I was sick!  But everyone said they rocked  :)  I just
wish it hadn't been so early.  Well, once Liz showed back up we went back to
the camp site (Tom, Derek, Liz, and I).  I was a long walk for a criplle like
me.  Since I was crippled and was with 2 preformers they let me take the car to
the stage area after that  :)  The first night I spent most of the time on the
trunk of the rental listening, watching, and socializing.  Near the middle of
the night, the 24 hours I had been on my feet caught up to my ankle at which
time Bret and Dave came to my rescue with an ice pack.  I went to the tent a
little early at 4am Sat morning b/c I had been up since 3am Fri morning.  I
caught 2 hours sleep b4 I woke to ppl coming back to the site.  I couldn't
sleep so I showered, got breakfast out, and played with my "toys"  ;)  We
finally got to sleep again around 1pm.  At 3:30 we were woken by the storm.
Well, all of us except Crunchie who slept through the whole thing!!!!  We were
lucky to only have a few leaks while others got flooded out!  Sat went rather
smoothly between light rain and mud!  Early that night I was getting frustrated
and depressed.  i could hear this great music but couldn't dance  :(  So thanks
to Bret and Dave again for adopting me as a medic helper.  I got to listen to
great music and help fellow IO'ers  :)  Plus the bldg became the unofficial
net raver hang out.  Sunday we left fairly early and didn't get to say goodbye
to all the ppl we wanted (Sorry Ben and others!)  The droive was better going
back.  Liz took off when we got home and Chris (Poot) showed up a few hours
later.  If you ever get a chance to meet her - do it!!  She is too sweet and is
a real cutie!  We went to the parents for veggie lasagna (My mom rocks!)
Agfter that Poot, Tom, and I went back to my place for movies.  I fell asleep
within 10 mins after only having 5 hours sleep all weekend (Sorry Chris and
Tom).  Chris left at about 11 pm and Tom crashed on the couch for the night.

     The music at IO3 was killer!  Thanks to Tom, Masa, and others for
continuing my rave music education.  I heard so many killer sets!  It's hard
for me to remember all the names but some I do are; Chip B, Skinner, Feelgood,
and Sho.  They were among some of my favorites  :)  I gave in Sunday morning
and danced for a while.  My ankle still doesn't hurt.  I think it's b/c I put
shoes on with ankle supports.  Anyway, I really thought the lighting ROCKED!
Watching them dance with the ppl and on the clouds was one of the most
beautiful things I have *ever* seen  :)

     Well, I guess that's about it.  I saved our Dragon's Den sign from our
camp site and it is now hanging by the computer.  After this experience I am
all for the next (or the one after that) being at Ben's place.  The outdoors is
a perfect back drop for beautiful music and beautiful ppl!  I love you all and
feel free to email me any time  :)

Hugs and tons
of PLUR,

Smiles      :)     :)

P.S. Bret - I made the drive OK and Tom & Liz check on me between naps!  I
promise to try to get more sleep next time  :)

P.P.S.  Props to all those who were concerned about my ankle, specifically Tom,
Bret, and Liz.  I know I should have taken it easier but after I took my little
pill it didn't bother me.  I was really touched by all your concern.  I love
you guys  :0  I am stubborn so maybe next time you might want to tie me down to
keep me put!  (Now that's an interesting concept  ;)     )


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From: "Hennigar, Sean" <hennigar@on.bell.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.rave,ncf.sigs.techno-rave
Cc: Sunphlour Cru <sunphlour@lists.best.com>,
        MW-RAVES <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>, NE-RAVES <ne-raves@world.std.com>,
        wnysor-l <WNYSOR-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject: Field of Dreams - some more info

I really don't want to post this yet but before rumours get completely
out of hand, I have some more info to add to the Field of Dreams story.
Before I get into it though, I'd like to make it clear that I'm speaking
for myself as an individual and not on behalf of Ottawa promoters or
ravers.  I also have no connection with Orion productions however, I saw
a lot of what went on behind the scenes to salvage things.  I'm working
with a number of people here in Ottawa to piece together what happened
this weekend at Field of Dreams because a lot of people deserve to be
acknowledged for everything they did to turn a disaster into one of the
most beautiful experiences I've ever witnessed.  When we have a clearer
picture of what happened, we'll write up a statement giving out thanks
and respect to all those who deserve (and there's a *lot* of them) but
we want to take our time with it to make certain no one gets missed.
Please do not take anything I say here as fact, I'm only trying to
explain what I saw happen - I really wanted to hold off writing this
until I could confirm more of it.

Basically, it's known that FoD was a massive undertaking with a lot of
talent that, had it run smoothly, would have been an incredible party.
For whatever reason (and I won't speculate as to why, I honestly don't
know), people didn't show.  Also, the party was really disorganized
right from Friday.  Anyhow around 1 or 2am Saturday, some of us heard
the promoters were panicking and getting ready to run (I don't know for
certain if this is the reason they were leaving but they were definitely
leaving).  An Ottawa promoter, without warning and who had nothing to do
with the party, was told he was to take control of the party.  He
grabbed two others of us and told us what was going down.  Our first
reaction was to try and find some of the DJs who hadn't been paid and
were quite likely stranded to try and get them taken care of before the
promoters left.  We weren't able to get them quickly enough though.
That's the bad shit, what comes next is so incredibly positive that I
don't think anyone should dwell on what went wrong or who's to blame,
etc.

After this point, it was pretty hectic for the next couple of hours.  I
don't know exactly who did what but we managed to get the main stage
turned on and organized some of the DJs to finish playing the party.
The sound company running the main stage would not turn it on until
they'd been paid up front even though it was set up and ready to go.
The promoters had been taking everything they got from the door sales
(which wasn't much) and trying to pay for the system all weekend.  Why
they let us use the system at all I'm not sure because they were still
owed $2500 (CDN) but nonetheless, they let us move the party there,
knowing full well they weren't going to be paid, which was pretty damn
cool of them.

Next, Lenny Dee, Carl Cox, and Electric Indigo agreed to play even
though they hadn't been paid in full or in some cases, at all.  Carl
Cox, as I understand it, had received some of his payment but was still
owed a lot.  Although these three played until the end of the party,
there were a lot of other DJs there and I don't doubt that a number of
them offered to play without getting payed as well.  In order to try to
keep the party going, we had to get some money to the sound company and
we also needed money to keep the shuttles running.  There was absolutely
no money to pay off people and none of us could cover it.  A silent
investor in FoD who was not himself a promoter but stepped in to salvage
things, went on the mic to explain that we needed money to keep things
going and keep the shuttles going.  We passed a collection box around
and people literally threw in all the money they had on them!  From a
crowd of maybe 800-900, we raised close to $1200 in a few minutes (don't
take the numbers as fact, I'll need to double check them).  As far as I
know, about $1000 of that went to the sound company with the
understanding that we could use it until noon.

Until 7am, the DJs spun absolutely incredible sets.  The vibe was like
nothing I've ever seen before.  It was so powerful it just overwhelmed
you.  A lot of us truly experienced what the rave is all about in those
few hours.  We all knew we were experiencing something unique and none
of us held back.  I have honestly never seen people dance with such
complete abandon and joy.

In the meantime, we spent most of the morning scrambling around trying
to explain to people that they weren't getting paid and trying to ensure
all the DJs and ravers weren't going to be stranded.  Security did stick
around and agreed to keep watch on the sound systems even though at that
point, I'm sure they realized they weren't getting paid either.  At
around 6:30am, 21 police cruisers surrounded the site and we thought we
were being shut down (this sound system was incredibly loud and we
weren't more than a couple hundred yards from residential).  I'm not
exactly sure who it was that called them however, when I spoke to some
of them they said they hadn't come to shut down the party but they were
expecting a riot when the sound system was shut down at 7am.  I'm not
sure who decided to do this but I assume it was the sound company - as I
said though, I don't know why they let us use at all so it was cool that
they let us go until 7am.  We explained to the police that the last
thing anyone was going to do was riot and they were really cool about
the whole thing.  They didn't try and move into the party or even stop
anyone who tried to leave.  They stuck around to make sure things went
smoothly as the party shut down but most of them left when they saw we
were all leaving peacefully.  

At 7, we went on the mic to shut the party down.  The crowd was totally
cool with it and no one gave us a hard time.  We tried to give respects
out on the mic but things were still in total confusion and there was no
way we could thank all the people who deserved it.

We spent the next couple of hours trying to get shuttles back to Ottawa
and Montreal since the other bus company had to be sent away since none
of us could come up with the money to pay them.  The police helped us
find shuttles and the fair ground owners paid for three of them.  We
used the remainder of the money collected to pay for a fourth shuttle.
We had hoped to hold onto some of it to help pay to get some of the DJs
home but at that point, the priority was to make sure no one got
stranded at the site.  There were still a number of people who didn't
make the shuttles but we managed to find rides back for every one of
them so no one was stranded.  Everyone's car was packed but people still
agreed to take back stranded ravers.

We sent someone back to Ottawa to take care of the DJs and see if an
afterparty could be organized since we had some legendary talent sitting
around in Ottawa and a lot of them didn't get to play during the
weekend.  Sunday night, a more or less unannounced afterparty ran in a
small Ottawa club with Motomasa, Smoove Dee, Christian Vogel, Roy Davis
Jr., Dietrich, and Prototype all playing for free.  Neil Landstrumm was
also there to play but we couldn't get equipment for him to do live
P.A..  Carl Cox had planned to come down but declined later because I
think he needed the rest.  Needless to say, it was an awesome party.

There's a list of respects and thanks that's unbelievably long after
this weekend.  I don't want to list them off now because I don't want
anyone to feel slighted if I miss them.  All of the DJs were wonderful
even though most didn't get paid and some even lost money since they had
paid for their own transportation.  Everyone we had to deal with who was
owed money didn't give us a hard time - they understood what had
happened and a lot of them went out of their way to help out.  A number
of the Ottawa promoters helped out to make sure the DJs were taken care
of.  I can't say what happened in Montreal but I believe some DJs may
have ended up there and I hope they were taken care of as well.  There
were a couple of individuals who really deserve to be recognised but
we'll get to that later.  Most important though, the ravers from
Montreal, Toronto, New York state, Ottawa, and I'm sure other areas,
were incredible.  The solidarity I witnessed this weekend as they pulled
together to save the party was like nothing I've ever seen.  Speaking to
a lot of them afterward, they were all so cool and understanding about
the whole thing that I've got the utmost respect for them.

While the Ottawa scene can't fully repay all those who deserve it, we're
doing what we can to make what amends we can.  We will get out a
statement giving out proper acknowledgement to everyone but we want to
do it properly so please be patient.  We lost track of a number of
people in the confusion and we still haven't heard the whole story yet
so it's going to take some time.

All I can say though is it was an incredible experience.
Understandably, a lot of people are upset and we all sympathize with
them, but I hope that we can focus on the positive things that happened
this weekend and build on them.  It would be a shame to waste this
opportunity.  To the inevitable mud slingers - trying to fix blame isn't
going to help anything, what happened happened, let it rest.

peace and respect to all,

Sean

p.s. If anyone can bounce this off to relevant mailing lists and
newsgroups I missed, it'd be much appreciated.  Although the event was
local to the Ottawa/Montreal area, a number of international DJs should
be recognized for what they did.
-- 
Sean Hennigar                    email: hennigar@on.bell.ca
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Subject: |NER| an important message about bassrush (fwd)



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Subject: |NER| an important message about bassrush


	greetings, i am doing raymond and the fusion crew a favor in
	posting this.  please dont flame the postman.

	ATTENTION RAVERS (is this considered an insult by anyone :) )

	the fusion/bassrush crew regrets to inform you that bassrush
	summer rush has to be moved to a new location due to circumstances
	beyond our control.  unfortunately, the original site, camp
	ramblewood had a restriction of only 1500 people.  we chose to
	move the event to a larger site.  however, this new site will not
	have camping and swimming, as promised on the flier.  we will
	still have three huge pumping rooms (plus a chillout) and all the
	djs are still the same.  ticket prices have also changed from $35
	to $30.  we also advise you to return to ticket outlets with your
	ticket to recieve new directions.  doors open at 7 pm.  if you
	have any problems contact 410 788 5543.  we apologize for any 
	inconvience.  see you at summer rush
		fusion.

	now folks lets not be hasty.  this is a GOOD thing.  a bigger,
	better, and fresher site!  no permits were lost, and this has
	NOTHING TO DO WITH LOST CITY!!! (in fact lonnie is out of the
	legal woods so to speak).  so, before you get your baggy trousers
	in an up-roar, or start looking for conspiracy theories...
	bassrush is on, and because so many of you are coming, they
	are getting a site to house all you.  be happy.  

	lovegrove




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To: neraves <ne-raves@world.std.com>, dcraves <dcraves@american.edu>,
        seraves@american.edu, mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com,
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Subject: more on BASSRUSH SPACE CHANGE


       okay, once again there has been a space change for Bassrush Summer
Rush.  the location is in Frederick, MD but specific directions will be at
your nearest ticket outlet.  for those of you who don't know Frederick is
about the same distance as Camp Ramblewood from Baltimore.  it is probably
closer for most of you, but maybe a little further from philly and new
york.  the space change was made with everyone's best interests in mind.
there has been no trouble and this (as lg said) has no connection to the
lost city party.  we just needed a bigger space to accomodate for the
large amount of people who have swamped the ticket outlets and called the
info lines for information about this party.  it was originally going to
be kept a smaller party than the others and there was going to be limited
tickets and admission, but now we have no restrictions.

	there are still four areas surrounded by woods and fields out in
the majestic countryside.  2 tents will be set up- one for the techno area
and one for the beautiful ambient music.  for those of you who love to be
outside and like to be one with nature-the house area will be outside.
and for those hardsteppin junglists and junglettes we have a space inside
set up with seating and a balcony for the jungle.  there will not be
swimming or camping as originally planned, but we can allow for sleeping
bags and the sort.  

as usual it's 100% legal.  permits have already been obtained.  and more
importantly there are no music regulations.

we think you'll like it.  we also think this will be the best Bassrush
so far.  the space change is just a minor technicality.  you just get
yourself to the space and let us handle the rest.

fusion productions/bassrush

angela
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> So I will pose a question to you.  What do you want from the next
> Interstallar, if there is one.  I mean we could have added lots of
> big-names and charged $30 or so.  Is that what you want?  Even at $20 we
> still lost heavily.  We weren't going to make money in any event, but had
> hoped not to have to pay for all the bills out of our own pockets on top
> of donating our time and equipment.  So we are asking you what you want?

i liked the variety of styles of music + how there was a lot of jungle
(but not too much). i also think though that 4 areas were too many. 2
would have been good or maybe 3 if it was bigger. i didn't like
dancing on that gravel at the back stage but it was ok since there
was some plywood. it would have been better to have that dj setup out
of that truck + closer to the dance area so the dj can be seen by the
people + vice versa. it's a good idea to have a few big names but also
small names of course. this is the 1st party i've gotten to swim at +
that was fun. if u (french e + jj) can get them to keep the pool open
at nite that would be very cool. i think that all those empty cabins 
should have been used. maybe it could have been made known that the 
cabins were empty + could be available 1st come 1st serve (besides 
cabins for djs), then not as many people would have had to stay in 
tents. 1 more thing, why weren't there any lasers?
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I personally wouldn't call this "cool", but make up yer own mind. :)
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        Northeast Raves List <ne-raves@world.std.com>,
        Midwest Raves List <mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com>,
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Subject: Open-Air Swiss Rave Draws 300,000 (fwd)


This is COOL!  :)


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Open-Air Swiss Rave Draws 300,000

ZURICH, Aug 11 (Reuter) - Some 300,000 mostly young and scantily clad
``ravers'' turned up at the weekend for what was billed as the biggest
open-air party ever in Switzerland. 

The weekend-long celebration began winding down on Sunday. Part
carnival, part techno-disco, Swiss media warned those taking part to
wear earplugs. 

Swiss rail authorities laid on 50 extra trains to bring in ravers from
Switzerland, Germany, Italy, Austria and elsewhere in Europe. 

On Saturday a massive parade clogged central Zurich, as participants
gathered to gyrate to music broadcast from over 30 ``love-mobiles''
sponsored by rave organisations with names like ``Sunflower -- the
Light of Energy,'' and ``Future Bass Junkies.'' 

The parade wound around Lake Zurich and completely blocked traffic in
parts of the city for hours, but was peaceful. Thunderstorms overnight
discouraged some open-air celebrations planned on the city outskirts. 

Organizers expected clean-up costs to be 50,000 to 60,000 Swiss francs
(($40,000-50,000). 

Reuters/Variety 




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It's been awhile since I've been to the midwest, and seeing 
everyone at IO3 reminded me of all the great people I haven't
talked to in so long... 

So I'm subscribing up to mw-raves, at least until my mailbox
fills up and I can't stand it anymore! Feel free to drop me
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-Sho

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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
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> ok, i just wanted to examine something...In st louis, on october 26th, 96,
> Bam, Vibenauts, and lil june are throwing SPOOKED.
> 
> djs include - toronto, chicago, lexington, and new jersey.
> voice mails include - 615 and 312 (NOT 314)
> 
> Now i'm really confused.  Trevor, you are great and all, but did you
> mean to write "st louis" as the location for this party?!  None
> of the promotional crews are from st louis.  None of the djs are
> from st louis.  And there isnt even an info line for st louis that
> you dont have to dial long distance to reach!!!!!
> 
> What on earth is going on here?!  Why do all these crews want to
> throw this party in st louis?  it isnt even a st louis party!              
> It certainly has a st louis type of lineup with the stickmen and
> trevor, they draw crowds in that city.  It still doesnt make
> any sense. 

this sounds something like this party i just got a flyer for. natural,
in "central ohio". the vibeonauts are throwing it so i'm kind of leery
since all i've ever heard about them is bad bad stuff. but the lineup
looks reeaaally good (carlos, drc, dieselboy, and feelgood are the
only ones i remember right now, but there's a lot of others too) &
it's a full campout weekend sort of thing. plus on the back it says 
they're letting in the 1st 100 people free so i'm thinking if i can 
get there that early, evil vibeonauts won't get any of my $.
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Subject: RE: HARRY BROWN (JUST GOT


> > KK: NO FUCKING WAY - this country is ARMED TO THE TEETH
>
> i dont think you understood what i was saying....yes we are armed to the
>teeth, we have the most advanced weapond and military in the world, but if
>someone say some middle eastern country decided to launch a nuke at new york
>city, we would have no way of stoppong it.... it doesent
>really matter anymore how many weapons we have, it doesent matter if the
>military is kicking ass and still operating, within a day we could be brought
>to our knees, reduced to a third world country, maybee even a fourth and it
>would take years and years for us to recover.  thats what i mean by being
>brough to our knees, it can be done, if we would invest in missile defense we
>wouldn't have to worry about it

The Libertarians would remove all troops from foreign countries, stop
creating/supporting
tyranical dictatorships, politely bow out of NATO and the UN, and refuse to
take sides or enter into treaties with anyone.  That way, no one has any
reason to shoot at us, and therefore, the point is moot.  Good old Tommy
Jefferson said something like "Free trade with all, entangling alliances
with none."  
        Ever notice that there are no terrorist bombings on Swiss planes?

        -Adrian 

Check it out:
        www.lp.org



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Subject: io3 jungle stylee (few tidbits first)


hey all :).  b4 gettin' into my review, i'd like 2 give mad props 2 frenche
& tim, and all the krew involved in making this event possible.  yes,
including the sound & light ppl, vendors, door/cleaning staff, djs, and
last but not least, the ppl who came 2 the party.  without any of those
elements, the party could not have been possible.  i apologize if i've left
something out this time, this is my second attempt to write this post,
since my first one got deleted while i made an attempt to send it out :(
(yes, after spendin' a *VERY* long time).  frenche, je veux poser un
question:  qui est-ce 'suce bite'?  vous savez ce que je parle, n'est-ce
pas? :)  

yes, i had a lotta fun meeting *everyone* at the party, 'specially those
who put postings on the mailing list, & the djs that i've been
corresponding with in a very long time.  it was fun meeting everyone, dj
jeter, dapt & Valrejn the Friendly Dragon, sm:)es, lizzie (yes, let's
discuss more 'bout dj anthony & global warming, i'd like 2 hear more good
stories :)  ), joeker, seth, crunchy, chez, kittyn, sat(i)ya (spell?),
skinner (happy b-day :) ), neb, dieselboy, casper, troll, mogli, damon, and
the cbs crew, snuggles, 3d, kise, cosmic, trevor, and anyone else that i
may have left off.  the cookout was phat, i wish i could've talked 2 more
of ya, but i'm usually on the quiet side when it comes 2 crowds, so... :P.

i have a lotta respect for the live pa ppl, 'specially those who performed
early  friday, dapt & dj jeter, and the local krewe who did the ambient set
thereafter.  i've heard both of their tapes, but i really think the live
sets by far were much better :).  guess it's right, a tape is very
different from a live set :).

although i've had an 'elabor8' review earlier on the jungle sets for
everyone, i'm gonna sum it up 4 now.  the trend for the weekend seemed to
be for most djs dark/techstep tunes.  unexpectedly, dj kise also went with
that trend when i thought he'd spin an intelligent set.  and, casper spun a
surprising happy hardcore set and then spun a few of the 'jazzy' kinda
tracks (yes, that adam f track is one of my favorites, first  heard it on
'jazz step' by dj casper, and 'silk cut2' by snuggles & slak (both
mixtapes, and phat ones, too :)  ).  although a lotta the djs tended to
spin similar trax, it was good 2 hear the way different djs used those
tracks.  dieselboy had all the fancy projection video with his name, and
also a track with an mc introducing him into his set (and a wicked one, too
 :)  ).  he ended his set with the new dillinja track in the metalheadz
'platinum breaks' album.  i recall dj kise saying that he wanted to use
that track to end his set also.  i'd also like 2 thank dj troll for
spinning the shy fx rmx of 'the chopper', whichi i've been longing to hear
after all that hype from the breaks mailing list.  it sure is a phat track
:).  snuggles spun 3d's track (from stepwise recordings), i remember also. 
*very phat*, and yes, the u.s. has a track now that can b claimed as a
'made in usa' kinda thing, hehe :), hope 2 see more talents in the us come
up with tracks (yet 2 see serv-on, a local new orleans talent yet 2 release
a new track in the near future too :)  ).  and 3d also had a phat set where
he did some fancy scratching, yes, another nice1 :).  damian, yes,  roni
size's 'brut force' still rings in my head, and indeed is another of my
favorites, which also was a track used among a few other djs also (source
direct's stone killer, and that new 'infrared' track, also to name a few
other favorite tracks used among other djs :)  ).  i'm really starting to
miss the djs that spin intelligent a lot, since it seems as if the trend
seems to flow towards djs that spin more techstep/dark tunes; please
correct me if i'm wrong.

and on a last note, i'd like to give a few feedback to frenche & tim, or
other promoters involved in putting the next io together.  word is, the
drop bass stage had the best system 'cause there were problems with the
monitor on the main stage.  but i was wondering, a yr from now, i'm hoping
that jungle has kicked in by then.  but regarless of the fact, i was
wondering if u can throw in some jungle and some of the music that is 'less
commmonly exposed' to the kids to b spun on the main stage as well.  the
kids r very familiar with trance/hardtrance & techno, but when it comes to
jungle, breakbeat, triphop, & ambient, how often do we see those sets? 
it'd b kewl to throw different sets to expose them more into it on the main
stage :).  and the only ppl performing/spinning ambient was the duo that
did a live pa on friday right after dapt & dj jeter's set.  i'd like 2 yet
hear more live ambient/experimental sets (both live pa & djs).  r there
only a handful of djs/live pa's in this field?  how 'bout dj anthony from
global warming, gorider (new orleans), or dj dylan (nyc), even?  i don't
know anyone else spinning ambient, so...  but yes, i'd like 2 find out more
on that angle.  anyways, gonna head out 4 now.  thanx 4 putting up with a
long post, and again, thanx 2 frenche & tim, & everyone else involved in
the party.  seul always welcomes feedback, positive and negative, so please
do stay in touch.  peace out.


seul    :)



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From: Baden de Bari <wu921@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: [--] W00 W00 commercial raves... BITE ... not really [--]
To: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
cc: ">North-West rAvEs<" <nw-raves@hyperreal.com>, WaveShaft@aol.com,
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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 WaveShaft@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > commercialism=bad for raves.
> > 
> > sure, the flyers are cool to look at.  sure, its great to know the dj
> > lineup(something to be kept on a flyer).  but i dont like seeing some people
> > at raves that dont belong there.  im sure there are people out there like me
> > that dont like seeing preps that made fun of you in high school at a rave.
> >  they're there just to show up and tell there friends they went to a rave.
> 
> ... yeah, but think how uncomfortable and out-of-place those preps must 
> feel ... bet they wish they were nicer to you in high school so they 
> could talk to you now!  and neway, maybe some of them will Really like 
> the music and therefore they Will belong there.
> 
> -tamzin

  hmm, this whole thing about people who don't belong at raves reminds me 
of the first few raves I spun at (in Winnipeg)... Since the scene there 
wasn't really ESTABLISHED yet, there were quite a few jocks around that 
were l00king for the 'after-bar' hang-out.  We had a few problems... I 
also think that it was a bad idea for our promoters [so they'd like to be 
called]... errrr... flier-hander-outers to post them up at the bars, 
etc... 
     At the actual raves, there were the groups hanging out, making fun 
of the way we were dressed, dancing, etc - yeah, even when our group 
would hang at Scandals (for those of u who know it) we'd get the l00k, 
the talk, etc... but we soon claimed our rightfull spot on the dance 
fl00r, and we started getting real dj's spinning there... bah!
   ... Victoria is still pretty quiet... BLAT!
 
   I went to XL in Vancouver a few months ago (the rave held in the 
armoury) and noticed the jocks hanging about there - there were a few 
people SCARED to dance, some OBVIOUSLY didn't belong - the vibe was great 
though, w/ 3 r00ms of sexual energy ....


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        fl-raves@cat.net, txraves@io.com, ne-raves@world.std.com
From: jsong@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (seul)
Subject: one more io3 tidbit & ambient...


hey all :).  i understand that devil girl wasn't able 2 make it to io. 
however, what happened to all the girly talents?  i only know of a handful
(mary jane, jenn, heather hart, rap, kemistry and storm, Andrea Parker,
heather hart to name a few... oh, and not 2 forget molly  :) ... ).  isn't
there supposed to be a huge lineup of them in tennessee?  (i heard....) 
how 'bout giving them a chance also next time?

and also... i recall someone mentioning that there's a mailing list for all
u ambient/experimantal ppl.  i'd like 2 know more 'bout it, please keep me
posted, thanx.


seul    :)



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From: jsong@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (seul)
Subject: Re: Ambient/IDM Lists...


here it is...

http://hyperreal.com/ambient/


and, from:     http://hyperreal.com/music/lists/ambient/ambient.info

3. NEW SUBSCRIPTIONS___________________________________________________

If you haven't already subscribed to the list, you can join by sending
mail to ambient-request@hyperreal.com and putting "subscribe" by itself in
the body of the message.  Your email address will be extracted
automatically from your message headers, so send the mail from the address
to which you want the list mail to be sent.

When posting to the list, post from the address at which you are
subscribed.  Mail sent to the list from non-subscribed addresses is sent
to an administrator who may or may not forward it on to the list,
depending on its content. 



so there it is, thanx, anthony :).


seul    :)



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Subject: Columbia has an event! This saturday!


On saturday at 510 south williams in columbia mo, private reality throws
down and you get high at the "premiere,"  the seasons first event.
spinning are:
relate from philly
the marquis de fist
aasim inshirah, jr.
g-shock outta san fran
irix da junglist
flex of st.louis's "hyperspace" (or whatever its called now)
gucchi of columbia's "shattered"
steve and big fish of kcou's "mic check"
and paris 

so two floors, two sound systems (no we never punk ass out on the systems
here either,) an amazing line up of the truely talented, underground vibe.

be there or stay at home with your thumbs twittling...


THE MARQUIS DE FIST
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>...yes, what you wrote is true ... everyone of us has our own TRUTH and 
>that to us is REAL.  and i guess that's the best we can do because we may 
>never know the *REAL* truth, and say we were faced with it - probably 
>only half of us would choose to believe it anyhow.
>
>did that make any sense whatsoever?!
>	-tamzin  :)

it made *COMPLETE sense...

thats the exact point i was trying to make... :)

*hugs*
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october fifth nineteen hundred and ninety six

in minneapolis minnesota usa

the boys down on the farm (chernobyl, that is)

present

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    Capsule
    Madkid
    Polter
    MC Brace
    MC Bumpy Screw

Oo. GABBER GIRL . min

Oo. STYLIS . min

as well as many many more to be announced

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that should always remain in question, or whatever the sample in nerovus 
xians by TKK said in 89...

one, kc had it right- science is not an absoulte and unfortuantely until 
i took physics and learned about the various aspects of astrophysics (god 
bless carl sagan) did i realize this.  beign brought up "godless", i took 
to science as my absolute..but as anyone with more than a middle school 
education should know, science itself is not absolute.  and most likely, 
300 years from now, a great deal of what the majority of people accept as 
"scientific fact: will have been proven wrong. 

however...

looking at what i have just written, i think "well that's a rather good 
argument for science to look into metaphysics more seriously.." until i 
remembered that physics and phsical theories are based on evidence and 
the scientific method and results, whereas metaphysics seems to hodl a 
great edal of theory as it's base.  what's more, phsics as a whole 
provides a lot more empirical evidence or rather is moreso based on it, 
whereas metaphsics is based on a large amount of faith in addition.  

now randy is, unless i'm reading him worng (and correct me if i am 
please:) ), a guy with a heck of a lot of faith in what he says. i'm in 
awe of that, as i am largely faithless.  but what you propose, at least 
what i see in your proposal, is that science include the faith required 
in metaphysics into it's equations...this would be the same thig as the 
scientists of pre-rennisance times using notions like "we are gods 
chosen" to add into the equation that gives us the "fact" that we are the 
center of the universe/solarsystem/etc.  i'm not saying that anything you 
belivev would make so bold a claim, but i am just trying to illustrate 
the reason the scientific method doesn't include faith and things faith 
related into the equation.

having said that, let me re-iterrate: science is not an absolute, and IMO 
neither is any belief system.  i go with science mainly because i'm 
particularly empirical in my belief system, however, i fully realize that 
my reality is a far cry from many others.  

so basically what it amounts to is this: everything is theory, there are 
no absolutes, and the universe is ever-changing and therefor a rigid 
system of beliefs and tradtions is illogical. 

and when did i subscribe to mwraves-philosophy@hyperreal.com?;)

cheers,
dylan

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as progress continues...

i've gotten to the part of the hompeage where i need to compile a list of 
the midwest jungle dhj's prducers and promoters...and i need YOUR HELP:)

basically i would like anyone and everyone who thinks they can assemble a 
list that includes everyone related to the jungle scene in their city to 
do so and send it my way so i can put those names up on the 
list...and...i would also like to take that one step further and do 
profiles on each dj and so on with numbers or whatnot to contact them for 
bookings, that sort of thing.

i could try and do this myself, but one point of my doing this is to give 
exposure in name to the "up and comers" and i'm afraid that if i were to 
try and make the list myself i would miss names as many good jungle djs 
don't spin out yet either by choice or due to lack of promoters interest.

so please, if you think you have information i could use, mail me with 
it...it can only help the growth of drum and bass in the states:)

cheers,
dylan

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i didnt think you were being insuting exactly, but it seems a bit, i 
dunno, silly to say the least, to um, say stuff like that. i mean you 
might as well say, i dont believe that bus about to run me over exists, 
so bam-o im safe :) no offense intended, i just kidna thought that since 
you live on earth (i assume) then you'd kinda believe in physics and 
stuff, but hey, to each their own!
mike

On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:

> ...okay, WHY does everyone seem to think that i was being insulting or 
> something?!?  :(  	
> 
> what i was simply pointing out that if you do NOT believe in something 
> (say God for example) then that something does NOT exist to you.  period.
> 
> that's all,
>   -tamzin.
> 
> On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > weird logic. if you want i can toss the experiment to ya, its been done 
> > like millions of times over, across the world. shrug, dont matter to me.
> > mike
> > 
> > On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:
> > 
> > > scientific-smchientific ... science only PROVES things to people who 
> > > believe it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 	Hrm, i just got finished reading this book about quantum 
> > > > mechancics, (pretty technical stuff, but the author used lots of 
> > > > analogies and stuff) and what it said would totaly support parallel 
> > > > universes, cuz like someone said (i forget who) about the cat, basicly it 
> > > > comes down to this: atoms and electrons and photons move about in 
> > > > probabilty waves, not like a car does. imagine if you've got a car, and 
> > > > you point it north and send it off (i dunno, a brick on the gas pedal or 
> > > > something) when you're not looking at it you assume its somewhere 
> > > > north-ish, and you can even use math like how fast its supposed to be 
> > > > going and stuff to figure out where it should be. but you'll never know 
> > > > for sure till you look at it. thats sorta how photons work, but its been 
> > > > proven using statisics and experiments (i sorta got lost on how the stats 
> > > > bit worked) that not only can you not be sure where the photon is, even 
> > > > the photon itself isnt sure about it, unless something looks at it, an 
> > > > electroscope (or whatever), an eyeball, etc.
> > > > 	of course since 'reality' is made of atoms and electrons and 
> > > > photons all piled together, unless something is being watched it becomes 
> > > > uncertain of its position in space/time. i mean, the odds of you leaving 
> > > > your room and coming back to find its a tropical rainforest are kinda 
> > > > small since the probabiltiy of that happening is infinitesimal, but 
> > > > scientificily it IS possible.
> > > > 	but about parallel universes, since the photon isnt sure in our 
> > > > reality where it is till its looked it, and if a parallel universe is 
> > > > started every time something 'decides' where it is (assuming that somehow 
> > > > some part of it decides otherwise and creates a universe) that would mean 
> > > > there's practicly infinitly many parallel universes. (cuz i mean photons 
> > > > decide where they're at almost every millisecond, so...)
> > > > 
> > > > 	hm... that would mean that every universe has like a probability 
> > > > rating somehow, i mean cuz each photon's decision has a probability of 
> > > > occuring so it would be possible to calculate a given universe's 
> > > > probability of existing, if you could take into accound all the photons, 
> > > > electrons, etc. probability of making whatever choice they made.
> > > > 
> > > > anyhoo, did i bore anyone yet? :)
> > > > just my thoughts on the subject,
> > > > plur
> > > > mike
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ..............................................................................
> > > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> > > In corner was a rich surprise of new-blown, crystal-dewed roses ...
> > > 		  						
> > > TaMZiN McPhERsOn	|	wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca	|
> > > ..............................................................................
> > > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 
> ..............................................................................
> ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> In corner was a rich surprise of new-blown, crystal-dewed roses ...
> 		  						
> TaMZiN McPhERsOn	|	wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca	|
> ..............................................................................
> ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> 
> 

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The problem I have with commercialization and sponsorsip is that right now
(in the USA) the rave scene isn't big enough to support it.  So when
someone sponsors an event, they want mass turnout, right? And the ravers
in the city and the ravers in surrounding cities don't make enough turnout
(or so some sponsors mgith think) so what do they do next? The start
advertising to the wrong people.  THey put ads on the radio saying
"there's this rave" and there's kids out there that go "raves are for
gettin fucked up! lets go!" and they promote at meat-market clubs. We get
a bunch of guys that're just there to "get some" if you know what I mean.  

Its not the commercialization that I mind. It's the people that go to a
rave and since they heard about it on the radio or whatever don't know
what it's about and come and cause problems.  I don't mean to sound
elitist, it's just that I dont want to see a mass of people overcrowding
our scene for the wrong reasons. 

Another concern I would have is that the sponsors take control of the
promotions.  Does Mountain Dew or Marlboro know what a rave's about? Will
they treat it like a fancy concert?  

Until the scene becomse more publicly accepted, we're not ready for
commercial sponsors here in the United States. It's COMPLETELY different
in europe.  Several people have sent me semi-nasty emails saying "dont you
know what goes on in europe???" and my answer is yes, I do know what goes
on in europe.  But remember that raves are more established in europe. In
the USA I just dont think we're ready for the corporate sponsorship of
raves.  If the sponsor just puts their name on a flyer, and maybe some big
posters on the wall at the venue, fine.  But i don't think they'd be able
to stop there.  They'd want to control their advertising- radio and
(gasp!) TV ads could bring tons of people into the scene with absolutely
no awareness of what the scene's about!  Remember Molson Ice's "private"
concert with Hole Metallica and Veruca Salt? The one that they advertised
so heavily on TV and to go you had to be one of 500 people that won a
ticket? I DO NOT want to see ravers become something like that, and I
really fear that it's what would happen if we had a lot of sponsorship in
the USA.  

anyone agree, or am i just plain nuts?

chris e

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Greetings!!

I just wanted to give an update on the finalized details...
hope to see you there & remember net meet @ 9:00pm in the log cabin,
bring all materials for the discussion topic: Protected Virtual T.A.Z.

T R I B E S   O F   T H E   E A R T H   U N I T E ! !

evolveNOW and antares of evolution open on Saturday October 5th 1996
		in Cincinnati, OH

		       T . A . Z.
		Temporary Autonomous Zone
				
				for your experimentation.......

T.A.Z. is a quarantined area, a zone where all beings that participate
strive for autonomy.  This requires that we already know ourselves to be
free beings.

Ye who enter here,....abandon all doubts, fear, hate, ignorance,
prejudice, species egotism,.....previous social protocals do not apply in
this temporary zone.  Any being exhibiting warlike characteristics will be
removed.  Isn't it all about that universal groove thang?


Navigators of Group Consciousness:

			     Main Stage

Mark E. Quark			San Diego, CA  		Organic Funk House

ON E				Ny. N.Y. 		deeelite house

Thomas Michael			Los Angeles, CA		IQ Techno

Ian Mariano			Church & tCUBE, Cleve 	Goa Trance

Earth				SuperFly        	Neobalaeric

D.I.S.				evolveNOW music		Live PA Trance
Digital Information Service

Perry Ellis			Calico			Ghetto House

Subgenius			Calico			Tribal Breaks

		

	              Experiment Down By the Lake 


DJ Jeffery			The Shelter, Chicago	Acid Jazz

Xian				CBS Cincy Bomb Squad	Acid Jazz

Norse				D. Network St. Louis	Dub Ambient

Tantalizer			D. Network St. Louis	tribal trance

N8				St. Louis		space jungle

DJ Tommy			underground		intelli groove

Matt Henderson			evolution		goa & house

Rev Boy				WAIF radio station	goa trance 	 		

+ those marvelous others for the afternoon journey


** T. A. Z. is a National Techno Retreat.  It is being held at a private
Naturalist Resort. Bring towels, blanket, and & bookbag.  This is a
clothing optional event.  it is an Indoor / Outdoor venue.  Rain or Shine


**Arrive Early, the Zone opens @ 3:00 pm Sat. & begins closing Sunday
afternoon...


	Drum circle ceremony at dusk around the fire pit @ the lake started
        by the infamous Willy Smart of Vitality = Power - Obstruction

   Lectures from the NSS National Space Society on the future of space
   colonization.  Also Ross Hamilton author of "The Mystery of the Serpent
   Mound" will discuss his book, ancient text, & hyperdimensional physics

	TAZ is being broadcasted over the internet using Real Audio wares
	audio will be availble LIVE on the evolveNOW website:
		http://www.iglou.com/members/evolve
   
Come in Peace or Don't Come At ALL

tickets are $20 presale & $25 door* 

**Discount for net ravers,  

email antares @ evolve@iglou.com
<specify net pass request>
leave your email address, name, address, &  **handle** 
your lammy net passwill be at the door for $15

Main Info. Lines

evolveNOW      513.557.FIXX
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whoaa, ok.... that took forever,...but one last thing.........
if you would be interested in joining the galactic groove crew,
email antares,  evolve@iglou.com
<specify galactic groove crew>
include snail mail tracking # and voice digits
for promotion package
it's a labor of love, but to make it fun, i have some tapes and XLR8R mags
to send out.

namasta,

antares
evolveNOW
evolution


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this is a chill $3 event thrown by the oak st cru which features trevor 
lamonte, gank from cleveland, and many other people including titonton, 
sammie, sense, and more.  it's located about 1 hr southeast of columbus 
at a beautiful outdoor spot.

the event will go from about 6pm-6am, and make sure to bring food and all 
that!

from the N take 71 S to 270 E, all the way around columbus to rt 33 S/E.
from the S take 71 N to 270 E, go about 5 miles to 33 S/E.
from the E take 70 W to 270 S, go about 5 miles to 33 S/E.
from the W take 70 E through columbus to 33 S/E.

once on 33, take it down about 30 miles, through lancaster, and 16 miles 
past lancaster take a R on rt 180 (laurelville).  go about 3 miles and 
look for the signs for jimmie's, then take a R on buckrun rd.  park at the 
2nd driveway on the left.

see ya there...
++
e d

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Subject: Re: reality is the only word...
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On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, nuttah wrote:

> 
> that should always remain in question, or whatever the sample in nerovus 
> xians by TKK said in 89...
> 
> one, kc had it right- science is not an absoulte and unfortuantely until 
> i took physics and learned about the various aspects of astrophysics (god 
> bless carl sagan) did i realize this.  beign brought up "godless", i took 
> to science as my absolute..but as anyone with more than a middle school 
> education should know, science itself is not absolute.  and most likely, 
> 300 years from now, a great deal of what the majority of people accept as 
> "scientific fact: will have been proven wrong. 


	There is no such thing as a scientific fact...that term was made 
up by the masses in general who do not know better. Science is based on 
results that are replicable. Replicable results form scientific theory 
and soforth. 


> 
> however...
> 
> looking at what i have just written, i think "well that's a rather good 
> argument for science to look into metaphysics more seriously.." until i 
> remembered that physics and phsical theories are based on evidence and 
> the scientific method and results, whereas metaphysics seems to hodl a 
> great edal of theory as it's base.  what's more, phsics as a whole 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	ALL SCIENCE IS BASED ON THEORY!!!! THEORY IS COMPOSED OF EVIDANCE!!!
	You cannot name any science that is not based on theory science 
without theory is an oxymoron....I don't know much about metaphysics, but I 
believe that it is composed primarily of mathmatical  models derived from 
physical science...the only real requirement is that all involved 
operationally define their terms and all accept them as such.
	This was the major probelm with the beginnings of AIDS research, 
there were so many definitions as which diseases actually composed the 
syndrome noone could say with agreement what was required for diagnosis.
	 



> provides a lot more empirical evidence or rather is moreso based on it, 
> whereas metaphsics is based on a large amount of faith in addition.  
> 

	So we have to have faith in addition?? Isn't addition an 
abstraction of concrete objects? That is, asymbolic  representation of the 
real world.......everyone who agrees on these symbols can exchange 
information 'in absentia' of the objects to which they refer to in the 
real world.  




> now randy is, unless i'm reading him worng (and correct me if i am 
> please:) ), a guy with a heck of a lot of faith in what he says. i'm in 
> awe of that, as i am largely faithless.  but what you propose, at least 
> what i see in your proposal, is that science include the faith required 
> in metaphysics into it's equations...this would be the same thig as the 
> scientists of pre-rennisance times using notions like "we are gods 
> chosen" to add into the equation that gives us the "fact" that we are the 
> center of the universe/solarsystem/etc.  i'm not saying that anything you 
> belivev would make so bold a claim, but i am just trying to illustrate 
> the reason the scientific method doesn't include faith and things faith 
> related into the equation.

	This makes no sense whatsoever........


> 
> having said that, let me re-iterrate: science is not an absolute, and IMO 
> neither is any belief system.  i go with science mainly because i'm 
> particularly empirical in my belief system, however, i fully realize that 
> my reality is a far cry from many others.  

	If we cannot agree on a single reality then we cannot pass any 
laws, converse with one another or conduct any form of scientific 
research because I can never know what composes YOUR reality and you can 
never know what composes MINE. 

> 
> so basically what it amounts to is this: everything is theory, there are 
> no absolutes, and the universe is ever-changing and therefor a rigid 
> system of beliefs and tradtions is illogical. 

	Cool....there is no such thing as truth and therefore I cannot be 
held responsible for any actions because a rigid system of beliefs (such 
as federal & local laws) is illogical. 

	I'm not trying to flame you here........I should just go teach my 
intro to Psych class and forget about this fo awhile.... 


> 
> and when did i subscribe to mwraves-philosophy@hyperreal.com?;)
> 
> cheers,
> dylan
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________
> | dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            |
> | bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            |
> | http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/g056/bryn0017/ (midwest jungle page)      |
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

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*** Resending note of 08/21/96 17:20                                            

Hi all!  Sorry to pass this on to everyone but I already deleted Pete's mail    
B4 I found out my response didn't make it to him.  And sorry to you Pete!       

ibmmail.COM unable to deliver following mail to recipient(s):                   
    <pnaegel@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.com>                                                

Hi pete, yes and no, a girl was shot (she's ok now), but the party was TC's     
not Staceys.  I was working that party.  The cops came early and said keep      
people out of the street - no one listened (it was a really bad neighborhood,   
lots of gang activity) so a couple hours later the cops came again and shut it  
down.  The girl was shot after most everyone but the crew was gone.  I was      
there when it happened and saw her but I didn't spend alot of time gawking,     
I split in a big hurry, didn't feel like getting me or by brothers shot,        
busted, beat-up, robbed, etc (cause all that happened during the night!).       

See ya!                                                                         


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I have a question....every one seem to have a problem with companies 
sponsoring a rave, but no one said anything when Maxximum Sound and Light 
(which is my little babie) sponsored IO, IO2 and IO3.....any comments ?

French E

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From: 	mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com on behalf of !!chris e!!
Sent: 	Thursday, August 22, 1996 1:41 AM
To: 	mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: 	sponsored raves


The problem I have with commercialization and sponsorsip is that right now
(in the USA) the rave scene isn't big enough to support it.  So when
someone sponsors an event, they want mass turnout, right? And the ravers
in the city and the ravers in surrounding cities don't make enough turnout
(or so some sponsors mgith think) so what do they do next? The start
advertising to the wrong people.  THey put ads on the radio saying
"there's this rave" and there's kids out there that go "raves are for
gettin fucked up! lets go!" and they promote at meat-market clubs. We get
a bunch of guys that're just there to "get some" if you know what I mean.  

Its not the commercialization that I mind. It's the people that go to a
rave and since they heard about it on the radio or whatever don't know
what it's about and come and cause problems.  I don't mean to sound
elitist, it's just that I dont want to see a mass of people overcrowding
our scene for the wrong reasons. 

Another concern I would have is that the sponsors take control of the
promotions.  Does Mountain Dew or Marlboro know what a rave's about? Will
they treat it like a fancy concert?  

Until the scene becomse more publicly accepted, we're not ready for
commercial sponsors here in the United States. It's COMPLETELY different
in europe.  Several people have sent me semi-nasty emails saying "dont you
know what goes on in europe???" and my answer is yes, I do know what goes
on in europe.  But remember that raves are more established in europe. In
the USA I just dont think we're ready for the corporate sponsorship of
raves.  If the sponsor just puts their name on a flyer, and maybe some big
posters on the wall at the venue, fine.  But i don't think they'd be able
to stop there.  They'd want to control their advertising- radio and
(gasp!) TV ads could bring tons of people into the scene with absolutely
no awareness of what the scene's about!  Remember Molson Ice's "private"
concert with Hole Metallica and Veruca Salt? The one that they advertised
so heavily on TV and to go you had to be one of 500 people that won a
ticket? I DO NOT want to see ravers become something like that, and I
really fear that it's what would happen if we had a lot of sponsorship in
the USA.  

anyone agree, or am i just plain nuts?

chris e

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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, matt elliott wrote:

> !!chris e!! wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Ack! the lineup's very nice, but look who it's sponsored by- camel! And
> > you could get an as nice or better campout event for around $30 (read:
> > furthur, IO, family affair) Screw camel is what I say. A cigarette company
> > shouldnt be sponsoring a rave.
> > 
> > (my opinion of course, you're entitled to your own!)
> > 
> > chris e
> > 
> 
> I dunno.  From what I hear camel has a whole brand of cigarettes geared
> towards ravers in europe.  As raves become more commercial, I could see

Why is this a big suprise considering like 90% of ravers smoke????

> big companies starting to sponsor them.  Hell, I can think of three
> parties that already have been:  Pimp For a Day II (adidas), Submurge

You forgot about:
Free (the party in the mall) in Pittsburgh (Atari), TunnelVision (the 
party in the tunnel) in Pittsburgh (Sega). Both wicked parties I might add.

joe

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Friday August 23rd  louisville ky

Cosmic Milkshake

perry ellis
strech
calvin klein
Braidy
Omar
tigger
alamar

at cyberia   2233 bardstown rd.  louisville
this will be the last of the milk parties at cyberia because it closing
its doors for a while until we find a new space.

tim



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> P.S.  The Seti guy was obnoxious, belittling, negative, and a complete
> asshole.  he was so cynical about his own project it was sickening.  He
> spent the whole time putting up barriers on how it was impossible for
> intelligent life to exist elsewhere.  I mean, his definition of intelligent
> life is the capacity to use radio-give me a break.  What a goon. Boo to
> SETI. On a lighter note, check out Randy's (Rainbo freq,) website and 'Zine,
> it will blow your mind!

yeah i think that guy could have done much better. i wasn't listening
that closely because i was checking out records at the clubhead table
(which incidentally seemed to be ridiculously priced--am i right?--$10
for all the domestics except a few that were $8 + the imports were
like $10-$15 or something), but what i heard him say sounded pretty
condescending. he was talking to everybody like they were 3rd graders 
not intelligent adults. i think that the average intelligence of
ravers is higher than the average of other people anyway. he was
saying really obvious stuff like venus is a very hot planet + it's
next to earth in the solar system, yeah, so what? everybody already 
knows these things.
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In response to seul's post about lack of girlie talent and devil girl
not being able to make it...

She was there!!!  She was supposed to spin early as hell on the drop
bass system, but it wasn't even set up at that point.  So she was moved
to spin at the system behind the main stage.  When she got there
with her records, some guy named Stretch was spinning.  From
what I was told, he wouldn't get off the tables.  So she never
spun.  This is only what i was told.  For all i know, something
else happened.

---Cylert

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 page@simon.wustl.edu wrote:

> In response to seul's post about lack of girlie talent and devil girl
> not being able to make it...
> 
> She was there!!!  She was supposed to spin early as hell on the drop
> bass system, but it wasn't even set up at that point.  So she was moved
> to spin at the system behind the main stage.  When she got there
> with her records, some guy named Stretch was spinning.  From
> what I was told, he wouldn't get off the tables.  So she never
> spun.  This is only what i was told.  For all i know, something
> else happened.
It seems that most of the problems associated with IO resulted from dj's
not following the schedule.  Enormous amounts of time were invested in
that schedule and with very few exceptions it was to be followed exactly.
However, unless frenche or I were there to rigidly enforce it some djs
insisted on screwing it up.  I don't know who did what I just keep hearing
storis of djs hogging the tables, jumping on in other peoples slots and in
general in general behaving like spoiled two year olds.  This certainly
does not apply to all the djs or even most of them, but enough of them
acted this way that mass confusion resulted every time frenche left the
sound board to take care of other duties. 

tim


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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Peter Naegele wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, nuttah wrote:
> 
> 
> 	There is no such thing as a scientific fact...that term was made 
> up by the masses in general who do not know better. Science is based on 
> results that are replicable. Replicable results form scientific theory 
> and soforth. 

which i said....
> 
> 
> 	ALL SCIENCE IS BASED ON THEORY!!!! THEORY IS COMPOSED OF EVIDANCE!!!
> 	You cannot name any science that is not based on theory science 
> without theory is an oxymoron....I don't know much about metaphysics, but I 
> believe that it is composed primarily of mathmatical  models derived from 
> physical science...the only real requirement is that all involved 
> operationally define their terms and all accept them as such.
> 	This was the major probelm with the beginnings of AIDS research, 
> there were so many definitions as which diseases actually composed the 
> syndrome noone could say with agreement what was required for diagnosis.
> 	 
> 
all science is *based* on theory andd then taken to the point of a series 
of experiements where it is proven or disproven...i haven't seen ost 
metaphysical claims put to a serious test...or when they have been they 
haven't passed.

(stuff about faith into the scientific equation)

> 
> 	This makes no sense whatsoever........
> 
> 
what i had been trying to illustrate was the way in which a faith, in 
this case a spiritual or religious, had muddied up the scientific process 
in the past...and how this would be similar.  apprently u missed it or i 
wasn't clear enough.  *shrug*

> 
> 	If we cannot agree on a single reality then we cannot pass any 
> laws, converse with one another or conduct any form of scientific 
> research because I can never know what composes YOUR reality and you can 
> never know what composes MINE. 

very true. at least to my reality it is.  fortunately most of us share a 
common reality (the earth is the third planet from the sun in a solar 
system blah blah etc) that we can function, but there is still dissidence 
amoung the masses- evolution vs creationism, numerous theories on how to 
universe actually started, and so on.  

> 
> 	Cool....there is no such thing as truth and therefore I cannot be 
> held responsible for any actions because a rigid system of beliefs (such 
> as federal & local laws) is illogical. 

well....yeah....no.  thre is no such thing as truth BUT you are 
responsible for your actions..after all it was you who decided to pull 
the trigger, steal the money, and so on.  perhaps if people examined the 
effects of their actions more closely and realised what the results were 
and tailored their actions in accordance with the state of existence they 
want to maintain, laws, which i personally hate but see as an unfortunate 
necessity, maybe laws wouldn't be as necesarry.

let's make this clear, i am a nhilist. however, i'm a nihilist with a 
sense of personal morality...in other words i accept that there is no one 
way to do things and don't expect that others would want to live as i do, 
but in the same respect i expect to be alwoed to live as i would choose. 
yes obviously there are points at which the twop would and will conflict- 
which is why sometimes i get this feelign that our existance is kinda a 
piece of shite, due to it's self contradiction.

hmmm this was written upon waking and i may read this later and refine it...

this is all very silly u realise.  this is a rave mailing list. oh well.

cheers,
dylan
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Speaking of Seth Shostak. I saw someone with a videocamera tape my live 
performance and Seth's lecture. I'd REALLY like to get a copy of that if 
anyone has it or knows who has it let me know.

joe

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does anybody know if it's possible to be immune or partially immune to
the effects of e? i've done it twice now but both times felt almost
nothing, just tripped barely like as much as 1/2 hit of acid if 3 is
enough. the 1st time the quality of it was'nt very good but i don't
think it was fake. the 2nd the quality was supposedly pretty good. the
other people who were doing the e felt it but i didn't. maybe i need
to do 4 or 5 es at once because i only did 1 at a time, but that would
cost me like $100 which is way too much.
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From: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: non rave related: parallel universes
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...okay, again, you are misunderstanding me ... see, i was speaking of 
BELIEFS, like God, like religions ... i don't know how you came up with a 
bus but just to reassure you - yes, mike, i DO think i'd get run over.  of 
course, i Don't think i'd just *die* after that, but that's another of my 
beliefs ... and i don't want to get into to it because it might be 
misinterpreted again,

L8r,
tamzin

On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:
> 
> i didnt think you were being insuting exactly, but it seems a bit, i 
> dunno, silly to say the least, to um, say stuff like that. i mean you 
> might as well say, i dont believe that bus about to run me over exists, 
> so bam-o im safe :) no offense intended, i just kidna thought that since 
> you live on earth (i assume) then you'd kinda believe in physics and 
> stuff, but hey, to each their own!
> mike
> 
> On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:
> 
> > ...okay, WHY does everyone seem to think that i was being insulting or 
> > something?!?  :(  	
> > 
> > what i was simply pointing out that if you do NOT believe in something 
> > (say God for example) then that something does NOT exist to you.  period.
> > 
> > that's all,
> >   -tamzin.
> > 
> > On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > weird logic. if you want i can toss the experiment to ya, its been done 
> > > like millions of times over, across the world. shrug, dont matter to me.
> > > mike
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:
> > > 
> > > > scientific-smchientific ... science only PROVES things to people who 
> > > > believe it.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	Hrm, i just got finished reading this book about quantum 
> > > > > mechancics, (pretty technical stuff, but the author used lots of 
> > > > > analogies and stuff) and what it said would totaly support parallel 
> > > > > universes, cuz like someone said (i forget who) about the cat, basicly it 
> > > > > comes down to this: atoms and electrons and photons move about in 
> > > > > probabilty waves, not like a car does. imagine if you've got a car, and 
> > > > > you point it north and send it off (i dunno, a brick on the gas pedal or 
> > > > > something) when you're not looking at it you assume its somewhere 
> > > > > north-ish, and you can even use math like how fast its supposed to be 
> > > > > going and stuff to figure out where it should be. but you'll never know 
> > > > > for sure till you look at it. thats sorta how photons work, but its been 
> > > > > proven using statisics and experiments (i sorta got lost on how the stats 
> > > > > bit worked) that not only can you not be sure where the photon is, even 
> > > > > the photon itself isnt sure about it, unless something looks at it, an 
> > > > > electroscope (or whatever), an eyeball, etc.
> > > > > 	of course since 'reality' is made of atoms and electrons and 
> > > > > photons all piled together, unless something is being watched it becomes 
> > > > > uncertain of its position in space/time. i mean, the odds of you leaving 
> > > > > your room and coming back to find its a tropical rainforest are kinda 
> > > > > small since the probabiltiy of that happening is infinitesimal, but 
> > > > > scientificily it IS possible.
> > > > > 	but about parallel universes, since the photon isnt sure in our 
> > > > > reality where it is till its looked it, and if a parallel universe is 
> > > > > started every time something 'decides' where it is (assuming that somehow 
> > > > > some part of it decides otherwise and creates a universe) that would mean 
> > > > > there's practicly infinitly many parallel universes. (cuz i mean photons 
> > > > > decide where they're at almost every millisecond, so...)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	hm... that would mean that every universe has like a probability 
> > > > > rating somehow, i mean cuz each photon's decision has a probability of 
> > > > > occuring so it would be possible to calculate a given universe's 
> > > > > probability of existing, if you could take into accound all the photons, 
> > > > > electrons, etc. probability of making whatever choice they made.
> > > > > 
> > > > > anyhoo, did i bore anyone yet? :)
> > > > > just my thoughts on the subject,
> > > > > plur
> > > > > mike
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > In corner was a rich surprise of new-blown, crystal-dewed roses ...
> > > > 		  						
> > > > TaMZiN McPhERsOn	|	wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca	|
> > > > ..............................................................................
> > > > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ..............................................................................
> > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> > In corner was a rich surprise of new-blown, crystal-dewed roses ...
> > 		  						
> > TaMZiN McPhERsOn	|	wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca	|
> > ..............................................................................
> > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> > 
> > 
> 


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> > Let's say you accept the premise that was originally given.  That there
> > are parallel dimensions.
> 
> why parallell?  why couldn't there be perpendicular dimensions?  and what
> would some of the characteristics be of those perpendicular dimensions? 
> would there be the same number of dimensions as our reality now holds
> (including dimensions beyond time and space that we have not played in
> yet) or would there be just one, just two, just three, or an infinite 
> number of dimensions that are the *real* reality and it turns out that it 
> is in fact WE who are in the perpindicular dimensions?  this *could* be 
> just the case you know.  it really could be this way.  it could be US that 
> does everything sideways.

if there are perpendicular dimensions that are otherwise similar to
our own, then time would be in traded places with another dimension,
for instance, z.

       our universe                                  perpendicular
						       universe
          z   y					    time  y
           \  |                                        \  |
            \ |      __time                             \ |      __z
             \|__,--'                                    \|__,--'
     ---------+--------x                         ---------+--------x
        __.--'|\                                    __.--'|\
     --'      | \                                --'      | \
              |  \                                        |  \

we can control how we move in dimensions x, y, and z but not, with the
tecnology we have right now, how we move in time (unless u count
travelling fast but it's not even noticeable unless you're going mach 
5 or something which only slows down time by seconds anyway). the
inhabitants of the perpendicular universe though, can control how they
move in 2 of the dimensions that we can, x and y, plus time but they
are not in control of their movement in dimension z. this means i think
that if they came here and were moving around normally for them, what
we would be able to see might look really bizarre, like something 
appearing to mutate as time went by + going forward + backward in time
although for them, they might just be walking across the room. 
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> I have a question....every one seem to have a problem with companies 
> sponsoring a rave, but no one said anything when Maxximum Sound and Light 
> (which is my little babie) sponsored IO, IO2 and IO3.....any comments ?

Personally, I don't have any problem with you sponsoring raves because you
know what you're doing! I would have a problem with a mountain dew USA or
Camel USA sponsored rave because they're monster corporations who don't
give a shit about vibe or integrity or anything other than profit.  And
seeing how that's the case, I would expect them to market it the way they
think it should be marketed: they'd advertise it nationwide on TV and
radio.  To large corporations sponsoring raves, it's nothing more than a
way to make money and sell thier product.  They're not even concerned with
an immediate profit from the party, as long as the party helps them sell
more product. And that's not how raving should be!

Even if an american megacorporation sponsoring a rave has a few people
that know what's up, I doubt that they'd do things the right way. Because
it's very improbable that the higher-ups would all agree to do things in
the generally money-losing way of rave promotion.  And remember that the
CEO and vice presidents all have say over the people down at the bottom
(like the advertisers and marketers that decide to sponsor a rave) So it's
possible that the people at the corporation - the ones doing the
promotion- know what's up but still do it "wrong" because the higher-ups
want it done the way they want it done.

You, on the other hand (I hope!) care about raves, see them as more than a
profit venture (I'm assuming that because the IOs seem to lose money and
yet you keep doing them) So basically I dont have a problem with Maximum
sponsoring an event because you know whats up.

my 2 cents,

chris e

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joe187 sed:
=================================================================  
> I dunno.  From what I hear camel has a whole brand of cigarettes geared
> towards ravers in europe.  As raves become more commercial, I could see

Why is this a big suprise considering like 90% of ravers smoke????

> big companies starting to sponsor them.  Hell, I can think of three
> parties that already have been:  Pimp For a Day II (adidas), Submurge

You forgot about:
Free (the party in the mall) in Pittsburgh (Atari), TunnelVision (the 
party in the tunnel) in Pittsburgh (Sega). Both wicked parties I might add.

joe
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90%!! cough! hack! hack! thank gawd dats a SLIGHT exageration!
stevie remembering the big smoke debate on ne-raves, but hey
w/o our smoker buddies it just wouldn't be a party w/o those
keen colored rave boogers and all our clothes smelling like
chimneys! not to mention our beloved cigarette dancers that
we can attest for all our cigarette burns from dancing too 
close to 'em! BTW it's considered a social faux paux (sp?) to 
light up in LA, where people actually care about their bodies
there (freakin' california Babewatch bodies)!

personally i can't wait 'til Trojans start sponsoring partys.
free condoms for everyone!! atleast i can use those!

oh BTW French-E i don't consider Maxximum Sound & Lights a
commercial sponsor cuz i don't see no french dude on the boob
tube boasting: "come on down to Kentucky for the loudest sound
system in the midwest and the only one with the SETI seal of
approval" and thumpin' techno music blaring and THE GRIND dancers
shaking their bootys in the background! now that would be an
eerie thing to pop up during commercials =o !

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One of the main problems of buying illicit drugs is quality control.  
Even if you have "heard" that such and such a roll is good, you can never 
be totally sure.  

For example there have been a few ocassions where there has been bunk E 
floating around, and was sent to a lab to get tested.  The tests showed 
0% of MDMA or any other significant drug (with the exception of Ephedrine 
being a common replacement).  Yet, many people I know who tried it will 
insist that there was "something" in it...  

As far as building up an immunity.  There are two kinds of immunity, one 
is a short term, one is a long term.

The short term is usually evident if you take more than one dose per 
week.  The good effects become minimized, the side effects become 
pronounced.  However, this is usually overcome by not taking MDMA for a 
couple of weeks.  I've heard that from 1 - 6 weeks is sufficient...

The Long Term immunity is a bit different, and there really isn't any 
hard evidence as to what causes this, or when it would happen for each 
person.. I happen to think that it is mostly a lack of novelty.  The 
first few times you do it, it is a completely new experience..  After a 
while, one begins to expect the reactions, and is so familiar with them, 
that they appear to be less pronounced.  Thus, I don't believe it is that 
your body really builds up a long-term tollerance, but due to this 
fimiliarity one doesn't put as much "into" it as they used to.  And MDMA 
is one of the best examples of a drug that gives you as much out of if it 
as you put into it.

A final note is that most E which is sold has very low dosages of MDMA in 
it.  Even if it is pure, dealers will often divide it up into 75mg or 
less per dose.  A way to calculate ideal dosage is about 1.7 mg/kg of 
body weight.  Also, if you had split this E with someone, you might have 
not gotten any of the MDMA... when pills are made, the active ingredients 
are divided up evenly.. thus it is possible that one half could contain 
*ALL* or *MOST* of the MDMA, and the other contain *LITTLE* or *NONE*.

And of course, your body chemistry may be as such that this just doesn't 
have much of an affect on you.  

-Jason

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greta sugar b?Őzł
ťÎ~sťďear sedivç7vç'ÓŢvé?:
=================================================================
does anybody know if it's possible to be immune or partially immune to
the effects of e? i've done it twice now but both times felt almost
nothing, just tripped barely like as much as 1/2 hit of acid if 3 is
enough. the 1st time the quality of it was'nt very good but i don't
think it was fake. the 2nd the quality was supposedly pretty good. the
other people who were doing the e felt it but i didn't. maybe i need
to do 4 or 5 es at once because i only did 1 at a time, but that would
cost me like $100 which is way too much.
==================================================================

not only is doing multiple doses of E financially stoopid, it also
DOES NOT enhance the experience. after the first one the rest will
just act like speed & just keep u up. the feeling of euphoria will
not be sustained thru multiple pills. IOW u got bunk E!

BTW when u take E, u don't trip, u roll since MDMA is not a 
hallucinogenic drug.

speakin o E, i like Trevor's new spelling of his last name - Lamonte
(with an e) kinda like Terry Mullen with an E, tee hee.

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Sorry.. that should have read 
when pills are made the psychoactive ingredients are *NOT* divided up evenly


But I'm sure you understood that from the context of the letter
-Jason

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> greta sugar b?=D5z=B3
> =8A=BB=CE~s=BB=EFear sed=87i=9Bv=E77v=E7'=D3=95=DEv=96=E9?:
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> does anybody know if it's possible to be immune or partially immune to
> the effects of e? i've done it twice now but both times felt almost
> nothing, just tripped barely like as much as 1/2 hit of acid if 3 is
> enough. the 1st time the quality of it was'nt very good but i don't
> think it was fake. the 2nd the quality was supposedly pretty good. the
> other people who were doing the e felt it but i didn't. maybe i need
> to do 4 or 5 es at once because i only did 1 at a time, but that would
> cost me like $100 which is way too much.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

As Stevie said, doing multiple doses of E is very dangerous. It's an=20
amphetamine, dammit! (I heard that 166mg is the max effective dosage, but=
=20
dunno where that number came from). However, I thought I'd mention that=20
if you're taking SSRI's (antidepressant perscription drugs like Prozac,=20
Paxil, or Zoloft) then E will not work. They counteract each other.

-j

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Ok.  Here's some food for thought.  With all the discussion on the list about 
high ticket prices and ppl profiting from the scene:

What about dealers profits????  My opinion is that these folks are the ones 
that really clean up when it comes to profits.  I know I've spent easily as 
much if not MORE on party favors than ticket prices.......



 

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recently I've been recieving a few e-flyers for parties that are 
absolutely nowhere near the midwest... (i.e. Hawaii and LA). I have 
thusfar neglected to forward these to the list, since they didn't really 
seem relevant, and in the case of the LA party, was sent to my by a crew 
known to be quickly on thier way to commercialism and is contributing to 
selling out the scene there. You haven't missed much, two messages so 
far. But my question is, do you want to see these things? I'll forward 
them if that's what people would prefer. Please reply privately, thanks.

-jeff gage

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On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 monica.owens@boardwalk.com wrote:

> are we really?
> maybee the most intimidating....we have absolutely no missil defense
> system...almost anyone could bring us to our knees if they wanted to
> also we rank 14 on the list of most free countries
> our economic system is on the verge of collapse
> yes, we are a strong country....but before you get to patriotic, become aware
> of what is really going on and look only at facts, dont look at the way things
> "seem" to be
our economic system is not "on the verge of collapse", it is growing,
tho dragged down by a deficit. who could bring us to our knees? most other
coutnries in the world have their own problems as well. if you are talking
nuclear, obviously we would destroy each other if we got into a fight that
way. who DOES have a missile defense system? militarily we are far ahead
of everyone in technology, and we have many strong European and global
allies. We're in good shape!


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this is not a personal attack, flame, or insult.  this is (hopefully) 
intelligent discussion between ppl with differing views on a situation.  i 
have a lot of respect for chris ege and his thoughts and ideas and am 
posting this to get not only his reaction but yours too.

======================================================================
==================================================PART I==============
======================================================================
On 22 Aug 96 at 14:30, !!chris e!! wrote:

> > I have a question....every one seem to have a problem with companies
> > sponsoring a rave, but no one said anything when Maxximum Sound and
> > Light (which is my little babie) sponsored IO, IO2 and IO3.....any
> > comments ?
> 
> Personally, I don't have any problem with you sponsoring raves because
> you know what you're doing!

Obviously not!  three years straight throwing IO and all in the red?  sure 
there is more to it than p&l but just because someone likes the music 
doesn't mean they know what they are doing from a promotional or financial 
standpoint.

> I would have a problem with a mountain dew
> USA or Camel USA sponsored rave because they're monster corporations who
> don't give a shit about vibe or integrity or anything other than profit. 

this is easy to say only because you  have just a produckt or corporate
fassad to flip off rather than the names of individuals.  (i'm assuming)
you don't know the ppl that work for mountian dew, camel, or cinnaburst,
but you do know the ppl who work for maxximum sound and lights, plus eight
records, toolbox tunes, eyegasm lighting, drop bass productions, and on
and on and on. because the corporate sponsors are smart enough to know
how to have fun without losing thier proverbial shirt you say that they
are interested in nothing but profit. sure, they can use the excuse and
immense budget of "advertising" to throw kickass parties, and it can come
off all MTV and commercial, but when you stand in front of the speaker are
the beats the same?  yes, and within those who know, the vibe is the same.
 the money that can make the difference between a mediocre event and a
fantastic event has to come from somewhere.  i personally would prefer to
dance on corporate dollars than see ppl in this scene put up thier student
loans and college savings for a one night event.  ask jj. ask kimm.  we
don't *have* to kill ourselves to keep it real.  young ppl are quickly
taking over this country on all counts, especially corporate, which means
that things we never had the funds to do in highschool are becoming
realities in our early twenties. just because we're making (or
controlling) money doesn't mean we're losing our integrity, hardcoreness,
or corporate anal virginity

> And seeing how that's the case, I would expect them to market it the way
> they think it should be marketed: they'd advertise it nationwide on TV
> and radio.  

sure you would, but it's not actually happening that way.  they are subtly 
putting an icon or logo in the corner of a flyer, maybe passing out 
product, maybe a banner hung accross the back of the stage if they are 
lucky...maybe free soda at the event.....
not !mega!Mega!MEGARAVE!!! advertized on your local pop radio station with C&C 
Music Factory beats in the background.  i think there's less reason to be 
scared than there is reason to be excited about it all.

> To large corporations sponsoring raves, it's nothing more than a way to
> make money and sell thier product.  They're not even concerned with an
> immediate profit from the party, as long as the party helps them sell
> more product. And that's not how raving should be!
> 
> Even if an american megacorporation sponsoring a rave has a few people
> that know what's up, I doubt that they'd do things the right way. Because
> it's very improbable that the higher-ups would all agree to do things in
> the generally money-losing way of rave promotion.  And remember that the
> CEO and vice presidents all have say over the people down at the bottom
> (like the advertisers and marketers that decide to sponsor a rave) So
> it's possible that the people at the corporation - the ones doing the
> promotion- know what's up but still do it "wrong" because the higher-ups
> want it done the way they want it done.

do not live in fear, the higher-ups just might prefer techno to country
in thier audis and lexii, but are smart enough to understand that a large
part of thier customer base and a better investment of thier advertising
budget is to pass out free soda at a randy travis event, rather than a
hardfloor live PA.  doing it "wrong" means not reaching the right
audience with the right message.  doing it "wrong" is a corporation
spending a lot of money on an event and all the ppl coming and dancing
and not improving thier sales.  i did not say "falling prey to thier evil
advertising schemes" i said not supporting a company that supports you. 
doing it "wrong" means the corporations KNOW that we are VERY closed to
thier advertising, input, and money (although we wear, drink, and use
thier products every day!).  i sponsor the paycheck for plenty of the
workers at coca-cola, i'm not going to be mad if they want to sponsor
some of my fun.  *i am* going to be highly upset when they start doing it
the wrong way, getting the wrong acts, the wrong venues, and the wrong
crowd.  perhaps that is already happening but that would be more likely
to tell me that it is *I* who is in the wrong scene than they.  of course, 
never forget the power of the consumer to boycott companies.  is this 
starting to sound familiar?  is this starting to sound real world?  is 
this starting to sound like ninth-grade economics classes?  are we along 
with major corporations starting to acknowledge that raves are just a part 
of socitey and will be here for a while. are we now part of the 
real--six-o'clock-news--world?

> You, on the other hand (I hope!) care about raves, see them as more than
> a profit venture (I'm assuming that because the IOs seem to lose money
> and yet you keep doing them) So basically I dont have a problem with
> Maximum sponsoring an event because you know whats up.

and again, you seem to draw this conclusion. since when did losing tons
of money become congruent to knowing what is up with the scene?  maybe
all camel needs to do is throw a couple of parties that lose money, get
busted, and don't pay deejays to gain some "forrealness" and respects in
this scene.  

this has been a somewhat wandering post, but i have a lot of thoughts 
about this.

and a few random ideas i had while writing this that i couldn't seem to 
work in elsewhere:

--->consider this: a party that a corporate sponsor gives $20K to throw can
be a kickass event that only requires a $5, $10, or $12 door charge which
allows more people to access it.  i don't know if this applies to all of
us, but i certainly could find better ways to use the last twelve bucks
or so.   

--->what would be the reaction if Technics Electronics were to 
sponsor a party or event?  what if they brought a tractor-trailer load of
equipment to the event and sold it for liquidation prices right there at
the event?  what if they put a few lines on the flyer that they were going 
to be doing this?  would you attend?  would you attend if it were only 
five dollars?  would you attend if your favorite deejay were going to be 
performing?

======================================================================
==================================================PART II=============
======================================================================
(this is from a reply to a post made also by chris ege that i started
earlier today, it may not be finished but i don't feel like rereading
now)

> a bunch of guys that're just there to "get some" if you know what I mean.
 
WAIT!!! (you mean there's another reason for putting up with all that loud
music?)

you wonder, commendably, if raves will lose being "real" or not through
corporate sponsorship.  i can't say for sure, just tell you about the one
person i know who is involved with that...

> Another concern I would have is that the sponsors take control of the
> promotions.  Does Mountain Dew or Marlboro know what a rave's about? Will
> they treat it like a fancy concert?  

a guy i know in chicago promotes parties and clubs for camel cigarettes. 
perhaps you've seen the flyers, they all have the camel logo on them, and
they are all very nicely done.  certainly none of this 8.5" x 28" fold-out
stand-up life-size flyering i've seen recently, tasteful 3." x 5." cards
with color on two sides, nice graphics (not all about the camel logo, just
a small camel icon in the lower left corner of the front)...anyway VERY
tasteful for a corporate thing.  he is a promoter in chicago and has been
for a while promoting "real" events.  but camel cigarettes approached him
to do this for them and this is how it works:  camel provides a budget and
gives him pretty much the freedom to do *whatever* he wants to (remember,
he has been a promoter in the underground and club scene for years previous
to this) and then they pay the deejays, pay for the club, pay for the
flyers, and any other anemneties required.  then he passes out flyers like
mad, as any good promoter does.  and when he passes out the flyers he says
"derreck carter/paul johnson/dj sneak at [cool club]" _not_ "camel
cigarettes wants YOU!" then camel cigarettes pays him a small but tight wad
of money for his efforts and beyond a certain number of folks that come
through the door of the club on that night, the profits go to him. 
interesting, eh?  this guy rolls in dough, paul johnson plays excellent
music, camel cigarettes unobtrusively advertises, and a good night in a
club goes down and *doesn't* get busted.  how do these events *feel* as far
as vibe and attitude go?  well, i can only comment on the one that i've
been to, and they don't feel any different really because *total* control
over the event is left in the hands of the promoter.  he chooses the
deejays, he chooses

...and get this: with the profits that this guy makes off of these parties
he throws *little* and *happenin* shindigs in his loft with a very friends
and family air about them (yes, even in chicago).

======================================================================
i dunno.  i don't personally like the mega event, but i do like the music 
they make accessable.  i prefer events with fifty people or so...but how 
often am i gonna get to hear lineups from around the world like that?

just thoughts, thanks for reading, thanks for thinking.

--star*

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Rochell Heininger wrote:

> Ok.  Here's some food for thought.  With all the discussion on the list about 
> high ticket prices and ppl profiting from the scene:
> 
> What about dealers profits????  My opinion is that these folks are the ones 
> that really clean up when it comes to profits.  I know I've spent easily as 
> much if not MORE on party favors than ticket prices.......

I don't know about other promoters, but I've met the person from a 
certain Chicago crew who takes thier name from a biological unit of 
energy whose official purpose is to make money by dealing drugs at thier 
parties. 

Comforting, eh?

One of many reasons I stopped going to any Chicago parties...

-j

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Okay gonna make this one quick.  I don't know about anyone else that went to
IO3 but I'm pretty bummed that there wasn't a net meet.  I thought at such a
huge kick ass event such as this we would have definitely had one.  As I read
some of the reviews I realized that there were so many more ppl that I didn't
meet who were prolly camped pretty close to where we were. (Someone said
something about having a water gun war...and I remember watching a bunch of
kids having so much fun running around with their super soakers.  Could it
have been the same person? I wonder.)  But for those who I did meet and
chilled with...it was the best part of the whole event so don't think I
didn't appreciate you guys!!  Yeah, there was a net city and a small informal
dinner (with a hell of a lot of food!!!) but nothing that was concrete and
planned.  I hope this never happens again cuz I'm sure it would have been
very nice to finally see who a lot of these faces behind the names.
Especially at a 3 day event where there was room to sit down or walk around
without loud as shit music kickin' in the room. Unlike a one night party I
had the TIME to just chill and get to know ppl. As you can tell, I'm just one
of those ppl who are big into meeting others and giving away smiles and hugs.
 Well just food for thought.  I'll do my best to bring it up whenever I go to
a party from now on. Take care all.  
peace out
Allyson


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In a message dated 96-08-22 15:57:11 EDT, you write:

<< 
 And of course, your body chemistry may be as such that this just doesn't 
 have much of an affect on you.  
  >>
To say the least your body reacts differently all the different types of
mixtures in E right?  So then does anyone know what all the different kinds
of E are made of?  I know that it all has, or rather, ideally it SHOULD have
the MDMA in it.  But what's the difference between the ones with the
lightening bolts, the engraved apples and Black Licorice?  Black licorice
I've heard is the absolute worst cuz it gets about 90% of it's users mad
sick. I'm sure there are a whole shitload more to discuss as I don't even
know ANYTHING about wafers, capsules, jellybeans, old skool slicks or
whatever else is floating around. Personally I"d like to understand all the
jargon on E. Just wondering if anyone would care to "learn" me on this
subject.    ;)  Cuz you know that all we ravers ever do is deal drugs, rape
the youth of their innocence and ruin society in general.  ;)  Ya think?  In
any case take care all and any response would be very welcomed. In private if
that would be more appropriate. thanks.
peace out
Allyson

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It was recently mentioned that after a lot of initial talk our proposed 
net.parties have failed to happen... I just wanted to let you all know 
that I, for one, have not forgotten about the idea, and am simply stalled 
out in the "find a space to throw the damn thing" stage. I don't know 
when I'll be able to put it together, and maybe I'll need to organize 
something else beforehand to get some capital to work with, but at some 
point THERE WILL BE A NETRAVE IN URBANA ILLINOIS. Lose no hope! These 
things take time.

-j

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From: "Hennigar, Sean" <hennigar@on.bell.ca>
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Subject: Re: intelligence raves


Brian,

Sorry it took me so long to respond but I've been on vacation, and
hence, off-line, for the last two weeks.

Brian Strader wrote:
>> 
> You have some excellent ideas here.  A rave is an excellent medium
> for teaching.  However, your enthusiasm should be tempered with wisdom,
> and wisdom seems to be dished out in short supply nowadays.  Most
> certainly ideas can be sent out in a rave, but when you deal with
> groups, often they can be of an appallingly low calibre. (Read:
> groupthink, Top 40 songs....)
> 
Depends on the group and what you're trying to say.  A meaningful
message doesn't have to be complex.  For example, to simply encourage
people to question existing values is a powerful message that's easily
conveyed.  I thought of an interesting event at a rave: at the peak of
the party, everyone gathers in a circle and cuts up their credit card or
burns some money and chucks it in the centre.  A simple but effective
message - someone would walk away from that learning something.  Put
that in the context of a full-on rave and I think it'd have a greater
impact on the participants than you might initially guess.  This is one
example (and a not too original one at that), if we're creative we could
come up with endless more.

> You must remember that people unfortunately do not go to raves for
> spiritual growth but to dance until exhaustion.  And one idea that

I strongly disagree with you.  A number of people do go to raves for
spiritual growth.  Even those who don't go for that reason, often
experience it anyway.

> came to my mind was the ominous possibility of mind-control, ie.
> propaganda.
> 
In my opinion, we all program ourselves every day.  We pick and choose
our beliefs and we're constantly being bombarded by people trying to
sway our opinion.  I fully endorse the use of propaganda to program
ourselves.  As the SubGenii say, "Pull the wool over your own eyes
before they do it to you."  I think we should use positive propaganda to
counter all the negative propaganda we're fed every day.  Let's do a
fashion show at a party parading scrawny, ugly, poor kids and mock the
high glamour fashion world - it's okay if you don't look like a
supermodel.  Consider it counter-propaganda, and self-defense mind
control if you like.  Propaganda's got a bad rap, it's a tool, you can
use it anyway you like.

> Poetry today is also take-it-or-leave-it for me.  As a poet myself,
> I've seen enough contemporary poetry to be thoroughly uninspired by
> it.
> 
> Poets of the spiritual calibre of a William Blake, Shakespeare, or
> even Nietzsche come along only once a century (unfortunately).
> 
> Poetry today can be aptly summed up in a sketch by the Monty Python
> troupe in "The Meaning of Life" movie.  If you haven't seen it, check
> it out.
> 

I'm not sure where your comments about poetry came from unless you're
referring to Hakim Bey's Poetic Terrorism.  It's a different concept
than what you're referring to here.  Regardless, although I'm not big on
poetry myself either, I still think it's a powerful tool when used
effectively.  I'd like to invite Hakim Bey to read his poetry/rants at a
party since he's mentioned that he believes poetry is best read to
music.  I think it'd be powerful to have him read over the mic at the
peak of a party with an appropriate DJ laying down the tracks behind
him.  Bey's poetry seems to be similar to William Burrough's and his
rants are certainly relevant to ravers.  I think ravers would really get
into an event like that and it'd be a change from the MCs we see
regularly at parties; certainly, more appropriate for an intelligence
rave.

> I'd be interested in more info on this, or even contributing more to
> the dialogue.
> 
Basically, our dialogue so far is about all there is on this topic.  I
haven't had much time to focus on it yet.  For more info on Hakim Bey
and his ideas about poetic terrorism, check out:

http://www2.eff.org/pub/Publications/Misc/Hakim_Bey/

BTW, what exactly does your job as 'media commentator' entail?  It
sounds like you could have a lot of good input on something like this
since you'd have a much wider exposure to other types of events than I
would.

plurf,

Sean

p.s. I generally bounce my correspondance to several mailing lists and
newsgroups when discussing topics like this in order to encourage more
discussion.  If you don't want me forwarding your responses, please let
me know.
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...okay, this really doesn't have much to do with the post but poetry was 
mentioned, so ... 
i really prefer to read poetry to myself ... i have never enjoyed it 
much when spoken aloud; maybe i just haven't been read to by a powerful 
speaker?  ... i dunno, it just seems to me that i can read it and imagine 
it to be the way *i* want it to be when i read it myself ... 


On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote:

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> Newsgroups: alt.rave
> To: ak774@freenet.carleton.ca
> Cc: wnysor-l <WNYSOR-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>, NE-RAVES <ne-raves@world.std.com>,
>         MW-RAVES <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>
> Subject: Re: intelligence raves
> 
> 
> Brian,
> 
> Sorry it took me so long to respond but I've been on vacation, and
> hence, off-line, for the last two weeks.
> 
> Brian Strader wrote:
> >> 
> > You have some excellent ideas here.  A rave is an excellent medium
> > for teaching.  However, your enthusiasm should be tempered with wisdom,
> > and wisdom seems to be dished out in short supply nowadays.  Most
> > certainly ideas can be sent out in a rave, but when you deal with
> > groups, often they can be of an appallingly low calibre. (Read:
> > groupthink, Top 40 songs....)
> > 
> Depends on the group and what you're trying to say.  A meaningful
> message doesn't have to be complex.  For example, to simply encourage
> people to question existing values is a powerful message that's easily
> conveyed.  I thought of an interesting event at a rave: at the peak of
> the party, everyone gathers in a circle and cuts up their credit card or
> burns some money and chucks it in the centre.  A simple but effective
> message - someone would walk away from that learning something.  Put
> that in the context of a full-on rave and I think it'd have a greater
> impact on the participants than you might initially guess.  This is one
> example (and a not too original one at that), if we're creative we could
> come up with endless more.
> 
> > You must remember that people unfortunately do not go to raves for
> > spiritual growth but to dance until exhaustion.  And one idea that
> 
> I strongly disagree with you.  A number of people do go to raves for
> spiritual growth.  Even those who don't go for that reason, often
> experience it anyway.
> 
> > came to my mind was the ominous possibility of mind-control, ie.
> > propaganda.
> > 
> In my opinion, we all program ourselves every day.  We pick and choose
> our beliefs and we're constantly being bombarded by people trying to
> sway our opinion.  I fully endorse the use of propaganda to program
> ourselves.  As the SubGenii say, "Pull the wool over your own eyes
> before they do it to you."  I think we should use positive propaganda to
> counter all the negative propaganda we're fed every day.  Let's do a
> fashion show at a party parading scrawny, ugly, poor kids and mock the
> high glamour fashion world - it's okay if you don't look like a
> supermodel.  Consider it counter-propaganda, and self-defense mind
> control if you like.  Propaganda's got a bad rap, it's a tool, you can
> use it anyway you like.
> 
> > Poetry today is also take-it-or-leave-it for me.  As a poet myself,
> > I've seen enough contemporary poetry to be thoroughly uninspired by
> > it.
> > 
> > Poets of the spiritual calibre of a William Blake, Shakespeare, or
> > even Nietzsche come along only once a century (unfortunately).
> > 
> > Poetry today can be aptly summed up in a sketch by the Monty Python
> > troupe in "The Meaning of Life" movie.  If you haven't seen it, check
> > it out.
> > 
> 
> I'm not sure where your comments about poetry came from unless you're
> referring to Hakim Bey's Poetic Terrorism.  It's a different concept
> than what you're referring to here.  Regardless, although I'm not big on
> poetry myself either, I still think it's a powerful tool when used
> effectively.  I'd like to invite Hakim Bey to read his poetry/rants at a
> party since he's mentioned that he believes poetry is best read to
> music.  I think it'd be powerful to have him read over the mic at the
> peak of a party with an appropriate DJ laying down the tracks behind
> him.  Bey's poetry seems to be similar to William Burrough's and his
> rants are certainly relevant to ravers.  I think ravers would really get
> into an event like that and it'd be a change from the MCs we see
> regularly at parties; certainly, more appropriate for an intelligence
> rave.
> 
> > I'd be interested in more info on this, or even contributing more to
> > the dialogue.
> > 
> Basically, our dialogue so far is about all there is on this topic.  I
> haven't had much time to focus on it yet.  For more info on Hakim Bey
> and his ideas about poetic terrorism, check out:
> 
> http://www2.eff.org/pub/Publications/Misc/Hakim_Bey/
> 
> BTW, what exactly does your job as 'media commentator' entail?  It
> sounds like you could have a lot of good input on something like this
> since you'd have a much wider exposure to other types of events than I
> would.
> 
> plurf,
> 
> Sean
> 
> p.s. I generally bounce my correspondance to several mailing lists and
> newsgroups when discussing topics like this in order to encourage more
> discussion.  If you don't want me forwarding your responses, please let
> me know.
> -- 
> Sean Hennigar                    email: hennigar@on..bell.ca
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 


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How many times have I preached : "Know  your limits"

That's all I got to say

French e

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In a message dated 96-08-22 17:23:58 EDT, j-gerard@uiuc.edu (Jeff Gage)
writes:

> dunno where that number came from). However, I thought I'd mention that 
>  if you're taking SSRI's (antidepressant perscription drugs like Prozac, 
>  Paxil, or Zoloft) then E will not work. They counteract each other.
>  
really?  cuz at bassrush i was with a bunch of people and one of them was
manic depressive.  i'm pretty sure that she was on either paxil or prozac
(but she's also famous for not taking her prescribed drugs) and she felt the
roll.  in fact, she felt the roll sooo hard (mebbe not the roll, but
something ... prolly speed) she was freaking out and going nuts (JUMP!!
 JUMP!!  CMON!  JUMP WITH ME!!!) all over the place and really tweaking the
rest of us out.

ok,  just chekkin

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

ps.  i know some of you had a run in with her and let me apologise if she
tweaked you out.

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In a message dated 96-08-22 11:43:30 EDT, MaXXimum@msn.com (Davis Bassan)
writes:

> I have a question....every one seem to have a problem with companies 
>  sponsoring a rave, but no one said anything when Maxximum Sound and Light 
>  (which is my little babie) sponsored IO, IO2 and IO3.....any comments ?
>  
>  French E
>  
i think that (logically) this is because a) you have a love for the music and
the scene (i hope) and b) you/maxximum are/is not a mega corporation that
wants to bring anyone and everyone to the partee.
just the fact that your system is the loud AND clean AND the least damaging
to the insides and the ears, attests to your knowledge that there are limits
that must be maintained.

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:59:28 -0400 (EDT) **sugar bear!***
<gbaxstro@kent.edu> writes:
>does anybody know if it's possible to be immune or partially immune to
>the effects of e? i've done it twice now but both times felt almost
>nothing, just tripped barely like as much as 1/2 hit of acid if 3 is
>enough. the 1st time the quality of it was'nt very good but i don't
>think it was fake. the 2nd the quality was supposedly pretty good. the
>other people who were doing the e felt it but i didn't. maybe i need
>to do 4 or 5 es at once because i only did 1 at a time, but that would
>cost me like $100 which is way too much.
well.
more than likely, the e was bad, weak, or not e at all.
i would personally recomend *NEVER* doing more than one hit of e at a
time, plain and simple.
e (or ANY drugs for that matter) are unpredictable.  what may happen
during one roll may never happen again.  good rolls, bad rolls, no rolls
at all...you just never know.  
but this all does not discount the fact that you may be somewhat
'immmune' (for lack of a better word) to the effects of e. some ppl need
2 cans of beer to get drunk, some ppl need 2 cases.  it s the same with
drugs.

*peace*love*beautiful ideas*

JOSH!


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ok, did anyone got to that party? i wasn't wondering if the girl that had
gotten shot was ok:) thanx:)




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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 Toymasheen@aol.com wrote:

> To say the least your body reacts differently all the different types of
> mixtures in E right?  So then does anyone know what all the different kinds
> of E are made of?

I don't know much about E since I don't do it often, but there really 
can't be an answer to this kind of question, because all you need to make 
E with an engraved apple is a pill press with the right shape. A few 
things I do know:

safrole, one of the precursors to MDMA (E) apparently tastes like black 
licorice. So I would daresay that a "black licorice" roll has some 
unreacted chemicals in it. Makes you wonder if they got the rest of it 
right, eh?

look for small pills. If you get a 00-size gelatin capsule (those are the 
ones that Herbal E etc. come in) that's full of white powder, don't take 
it, because it's most certainly cut. If it weren't you're probably be 
dead or something, that's way more than 100-150mg.

it seems logical to say that you can trust pressed pills (splits, 
lightning, etc.) a bit more than gelatin capsules, because anybody who 
gets thier hands on capsules can open them up and cut them, whereas there 
isn't a whole lot you can do with a pressed pill. Of course the 
manufacturer still could have screwed up...

the brown flecks you sometimes see in E powder is NOT heroin (I know I've 
said this a thousand times but it's the truth, don't get lied to), it's 
unreacted Safrole or Isafrole. E has never and will never be cut with 
Heroin, because it won't do shit to you if you eat it. It's not "orally 
active". You could eat a nice big spoonful of Heroin and it wouldn't do 
anything to you unless it got into your mucus membranes or something.


Hmm that's about all I know besides the fact that the jury's still out 
regarding the danger of longterm or repeated use, or the effect of E on 
the brain's neurochemistry. Some research has shown that if you take an 
SSRI 6-8 hours after dosing you reduce/eliminate the potential for brain 
damage, but there still needs to be a lot more reseach done on E.

-j

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In a message dated 96-08-22 19:31:46 EDT, JOSH writes:

<<  some ppl need
 2 cans of beer to get drunk, some ppl need 2 cases.  it s the same with
 drugs. >>

ACK!! *cringe*  No disrespect or anything here so bare with me.  I know what
you are trying to say Josh but it makes me very uneasy that E is compared to
beer in this respect.  Beer is something that you can drink and drink and
drink and then when you're body has had enough you just throw it up and
you're fine.  Nothing that can permenantly alter you except for maybe the
beer belly. (okay alcohol poisoning in some severe instances)  E on the other
hand is so much more than that.  I know I shouldn't even have to say
this..but being that I am somewhat of a paranoid person (ask Gage all about
it) I'm going to say it anyhow.  I've seen the extreme negative affects of E
as I'm sure many if not all of us have.  And there is nothing glamorous about
it.  This person had such a bad fever that she passed out for a whole day.
 On the fall down to the ground she hit her head so badly that she got a
concussion.  ON top of that she also bit her lip all to hell when her face
hit the floor.  It took her about a week to recover for those 6 hours of pure
utopia.  We won't even start on E overdoses cuz there isn't really much to
tell on that one. Plain and simple you die. :)  I'm not a anti E advocate by
ANY means. (altho at this point I'm sure I sound like a rather condescending
one)  Just that I learned my lesson real fuckin' quick and would hate for ppl
on here or ANYONE for that matter to be whimsical about taking E.
 <okay..gonna end my yammering lecture now>

----then Ben writes------

>>really?  cuz at bassrush i was with a bunch of people and one of them was
manic depressive.  i'm pretty sure that she was on either paxil or prozac
(but she's also famous for not taking her prescribed drugs) and she felt the
roll.  in fact, she felt the roll sooo hard (mebbe not the roll, but
something ... prolly speed) she was freaking out and going nuts (JUMP!!
 JUMP!!  CMON!  JUMP WITH ME!!!) all over the place and really tweaking the
rest of us out.

Yo Ben...  ;)  I'm pretty sure that she wasn't taking her shit.  And tweaking
us out does not even BEGIN to describe how the rest of us were feeling.  Cuz
we both know what's up with her and considering how she was acting during the
time before that event..she was pretty tweaked already.  Nothing but a lil
red hairball of apeshit energy!!  It was more like "JUMP! DANCE! DAMNIT!!!!
DANCE!! WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT??!!!"  Yup..the girl definitely
felt something.  

Oh well whatever.  This was kinda random but I just thought to add my own
stuff in.  ;)  take care everybody.
peace out wif wuv
Ally

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Just to add furthur to this non-rave thread...(what the heck, its still
interesting, right?  *grins*)
I usually agree with you.  Most kinds of poetry I really prefer to read
myself and gather what I can/want, but one exception to the rule that I
have found are the works of some of the beat poets.  
I don't really know why, but somehow the way that Jack Keruoac reads his
own works puts way more depth and feeling into it than I can personally
muster up.  (I have heard he and several other beat generation poets read
their own material on some recordings...--obviously, since many of them
are now deceased.)

Always,
Erinaceous

> 
> 
> ...okay, this really doesn't have much to do with the post but poetry was 
> mentioned, so ... 
> i really prefer to read poetry to myself ... i have never enjoyed it 
> much when spoken aloud; maybe i just haven't been read to by a powerful 
> speaker?  ... i dunno, it just seems to me that i can read it and imagine 
> it to be the way *i* want it to be when i read it myself ... 
> 
> 

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote:
> 
> look for small pills. If you get a 00-size gelatin capsule (those are the 
> ones that Herbal E etc. come in) that's full of white powder, don't take 
> it, because it's most certainly cut. If it weren't you're probably be 
> dead or something, that's way more than 100-150mg.

i have to disagree jeff- if you're speaking of the size i'm envisioning, 
smaller thabn a tylenol gelcap for instance, then thse are, in lieu of 
paper, the best bet...the best chance.  that's what ive had the few times 
ive done it and talking to people about it who know what they're talking 
about and have a good deal of knowledge about the subject (that means an 
education, not an "ive done it 1000 times and 300 times it was this " 
etc) that that is the next safest thing to paper.

if u can find paper it is a godsend, buy a lot and save it and never deal 
with bunk shit again:) that is if you are a millionare;)

cheers,
dylan
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and i also wanted to add that william s. burrough's poetry rants do a lot for
me when he speaks them, because i love his old ass junky voice.  :D :D

jon.


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just wondering :

I know that vitamin C can set off an acid trip...like if you drink lots 
of orange juice before (or during) tripping, it can make the experience 
more intense....

is there anything like that for E?  Maybe some of that brain vitamin 
like Ginko Bovin (sp?) maybe just lots of Popeye's Spinich:)

may the shwartz be with ya!
-jason

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You wrote: 
>
>On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 Toymasheen@aol.com wrote:
>


>look for small pills. If you get a 00-size gelatin capsule (those are the 
>ones that Herbal E etc. come in) that's full of white powder, don't take 
>it, because it's most certainly cut. If it weren't you're probably be 
>dead or something, that's way more than 100-150mg.
>

I had one guy try to sell me like a 400mg capsule and he sayid it was pure 
MDMA:)  I just smiled and said no thanks, cant be true, that much would be 
about 4 rolls.



> E has never and will never be cut with 
>Heroin, because it won't do shit to you if you eat it. It's not "orally 
>active". You could eat a nice big spoonful of Heroin and it wouldn't do 
>anything to you unless it got into your mucus membranes or something.
>

Then wahts with that goofee floaty feeling, upset stumack, and lack of energy 
with that annoying double vision...I hate that especially in the morning when 
the party is over,  Ive felt REAL E give ya a great feeling all day not just 
for an hour or so...

I keep thinking its cut with Ketamine (special K) but I havent tried that 
neat...at least not yet:)


>SSRI 6-8 hours after dosing you reduce/eliminate the potential for brain 
>damage, but there still needs to be a lot more reseach done on E.

what is ssRI ???

plur
jason

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I'll be at this minneapolis party tomorrow.  Look for me! Here's what I
look like: about 6 feet tall, medium-long (not to my shoulders but its
pretty long) hair, bleach-blond.  Either Phat black shorts or phat green
corduroy pants (depending on the weather) and either a blue plastikman
t-shirt or a greenish blue os/2 polo shirt.  Red Disco Ball necklace.
Maybe glow-stiks if i get out to buy 'em. 

so if I havent met you yet, and you're going to be there, find me!

chris e

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>> E has never and will never be cut with 
>>Heroin, because it won't do shit to you if you eat it. It's not "orally 
>>active". You could eat a nice big spoonful of Heroin and it wouldn't do 
>>anything to you unless it got into your mucus membranes or something.

i used to think this was true as well. now, i am about 99% sure that it's
not. first, i have seen a psyschology textbook say that heroin does in fact
activate orally, it just isn't quite as strong or doesn't do quite the same
thing. also, ask anyone who has tried a white dove or a yellow RN if there
is a difference. both are smacky.

>I know that vitamin C can set off an acid trip...like if you drink lots 
>of orange juice before (or during) tripping, it can make the experience 
>more intense....
>
>is there anything like that for E?  Maybe some of that brain vitamin 
>like Ginko Bovin (sp?) maybe just lots of Popeye's Spinich:)

if your roll doesn't kick in, try finding a friend to share a bowl with.
i've been told this always does the trick.

i'm going out now...more later. :)

-kc




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     is anyone going to back2gether? if so, please get ahold of me, cause i
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kc sed:
=================================================================
>I know that vitamin C can set off an acid trip...like if you drink lots 
>of orange juice before (or during) tripping, it can make the experience 
>more intense....
>
>is there anything like that for E?  Maybe some of that brain vitamin 
>like Ginko Bovin (sp?) maybe just lots of Popeye's Spinich:)

if your roll doesn't kick in, try finding a friend to share a bowl with.
i've been told this always does the trick.

i'm going out now...more later. :)

-kc
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tee hee, why do u think u see kids sometimes w/ those gas masks on
smelling like vicks vapo rub!

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ele_ment 5: boron

           live electronic music by mike poe as 
                                      MIDI SLUT 

                          visual performance by 
                                         ARAMOS 
                             with music by (23)

new electronic compositions by rich ratvasky as 
                                        IHANNOA

$2

fri 23 aug
time: 9PM-1AM

location: 118 e 14th ave
one block east of high st, near the OSU campus

directions from out-of-town:

from the N: take 71 S to 17th ave exit (exit 111), go R
from the S: take 71 N to 17th ave exit (exit 111), go L
from the E or W: take 70 to columbus, look for 71 N and go to 17th ave 
exit (exit 111), go L

go down 17th about 1.5 miles, pass N 4th and take the next L which is
SUMMIT. take summit down 2 blocks and go R on 15th AVE.  once on 15th ave,
pass one light and take L on PEARL ALLEY which is just before HIGH ST.  go
down pearl one block and go L on 14th AVE.  space is large house on L,
#118. 

please note: parking near OSU campus is difficult and towing is enforced
24 hrs a day, so please watch where you park.  do NOT park behind
apartment buildings or residences, if need be park several blocks away and
walk, it is worth not getting towed.  thanks for your patience! 

and please keep in mind that this is intended to be a different kind of
event...more like the debut of new music by electronic artists than a
"rave," so please come early to pay your respects to all the performers
(who are playing for free!).  finally, there will be a small gathering at
the space after the performances (latecomers welcome). 

see you there...

any problems, consult 614.470.0929
++
e d



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First of all let me apologize in advance for the numerous reponses I am 
about to make.  I was hoping to do this in one letter, and cut and paste 
all of the following letters/responses into one, but I'm on a dumb 
terminal and am not able to.  Thus, I'll have to respond to each letter 
individually...


On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote:

> 
> As Stevie said, doing multiple doses of E is very dangerous. It's an 
> amphetamine, dammit! (I heard that 166mg is the max effective dosage, but 
> dunno where that number came from). However, I thought I'd mention that 
> if you're taking SSRI's (antidepressant perscription drugs like Prozac, 
> Paxil, or Zoloft) then E will not work. They counteract each other.

This is not true.  Plenty of people on SSRI's are able to have a 
wonderful experience with mdma.  In fact, there is evidence that it may 
be good to take Prozac with E, as it apparently reduces the 
neurotoxicity.  I would not recommend this, however, until a better 
understanding of the relationship this SSRI has with MDMA and 
it's neurotoxicity.

-Jason

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 Toymasheen@aol.com wrote:

> To say the least your body reacts differently all the different types of
> mixtures in E right?  So then does anyone know what all the different kinds
> of E are made of?  I know that it all has, or rather, ideally it SHOULD have

Again, as there is no quality control, assume that *ANYTHING* could be in 
"E."  Typically, though, MDMA is substituted with ephedrine, 
pseudo-ephedrine, or a (meth)amphetamine.

> the MDMA in it.  But what's the difference between the ones with the
> lightening bolts, the engraved apples and Black Licorice?  Black licorice
> I've heard is the absolute worst cuz it gets about 90% of it's users mad

Names are completely undependable.  Although there may be consistentcy 
with a name for a short while, it does not take dealers/manufacturers 
long to tack on the name of a "GOOD" roll to it's crappy one.  Many 
manufactueres will go so far as to recreate the look of the original roll.

-Jason

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Davis Bassan wrote:

> How many times have I preached : "Know  your limits"
> 
> That's all I got to say
> 
> French e


This is useless advice conerning illicit drugs.  Especially with E, where 
there is soooo much misinformation and lack of quality control.  In order 
to "know ones limits", one would have to be aware of 

1) What the drug *REALLY* is that they are ingesting (not what they think 
   it is)

2) How the drug typically works, thus having a rough idea of what a 
   "safe" dosage is.

3) How their own body chemistry works with the drug, and knowing if anything
   else they are taking might react negatively with the drug.

Actually this list could go on and on, but because we rarely are sure of 
the first proposition, the rest of the stuff doesn't really matter.  

-Jason

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 kctopitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU wrote:

> >> E has never and will never be cut with 
> >>Heroin, because it won't do shit to you if you eat it. It's not "orally 
> >>active". You could eat a nice big spoonful of Heroin and it wouldn't do 
> >>anything to you unless it got into your mucus membranes or something.
> 
> i used to think this was true as well. now, i am about 99% sure that it's
> not. first, i have seen a psyschology textbook say that heroin does in fact
> activate orally, it just isn't quite as strong or doesn't do quite the same
> thing. also, ask anyone who has tried a white dove or a yellow RN if there
> is a difference. both are smacky.

KC, you are sort of correct on this one.  Heroin is *SLIGHTLY* active 
orally, but there *still* hasn't been any confiscated/voulntarily tested 
item sold as "E" or "MDMA" which has contained heroin.  And of course, 
due to the expense vs. effect ratio of puting heroin in a roll, it just 
doesn't make sense.  Actually, there are so many people making rolls 
called "White Dove" now, that it's kinda silly to even call a roll that.  
But for the white doves in your area that have had such a strong effect, 
there could have been *MANY* differences in it compared to other rolls, 
which would have nothing to do with heroin.  I have spoken with people 
who have had pharmaceutical MDMA and/or MDMA prior to the prohibition in 
1985.  Many times, the rolls that are filled with "heroin" and what not, 
are often responded to by these people as "no.. this is what pure MDMA at 
a proper dosage reacts like."

Until I actually see a hit of something sold as ecstasy that is tested 
and comes up with a percentage of heroin as an active ingredient, I'll 
remain of the opinion that there is absolutely no E sold with heroin in it.

-Jason

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I hope someone is archiving this thread!!!! 

Pete

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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 ultimate.platypus@njackn.com wrote:

> 
> and i also wanted to add that william s. burrough's poetry rants do a lot for
> me when he speaks them, because i love his old ass junky voice.  :D :D
> 
> jon.
> 
> 
	Definately......I love the shit he did with Laurie Anderson. I 
have some old stuff he did on vinyl too....really spices up an ambient set!

Pete

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:11:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [PEN-L:5791] Crack Intelligence Agency (fwd) [!!!!]

Have Gary Webb's stories from the San Jose Mercury News showing the CIA's
heavy involvement in bringing crack to the U.S. gotten wide play? I guess
that's a way asking how many people have heard about it who don't read the
SJMN?

The stories can be gotten, for now, at www.sjmercury.com/drugs/.

--

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Since we're on the topic....
I've heard people say at parties that what floating around that evening is
something called "Peprinol" (or something like that) that people sell as E
but it's not really E and that it's a medication for hyperactivity or
something like that.  I've asked other people, and they say, "no, Peprinol
is e".  Does this sound familiar to anyone?  What are they taking about?  

Now for the comment:
I've had personal experience of a contra-indication of a prescription drug
with e.  We got a few rolls from a friend in San Diego.  The first time they
were good, but not great.  A week later I started taking this anti-obesity
drug (dexfenfluramine/Redux) which regulates the serotonin levels in
your brain to make you feel satisfied all the time.  It is a close relative to
Prozac.  Anyway, the next time I took the same roll (well obviously not
the same roll, but from the same batch), a few weeks later, I felt next to
nothing, but my hubby felt the same as he did the time before.


Tam


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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Tammy Grant wrote:

> Since we're on the topic....
> I've heard people say at parties that what floating around that evening is
> something called "Peprinol" (or something like that) that people sell as E
> but it's not really E and that it's a medication for hyperactivity or
> something like that.  I've asked other people, and they say, "no, Peprinol
> is e".  Does this sound familiar to anyone?  What are they taking about?  

its not peprinol it is piperonal which is a standard precursor in the
manufacture of E.  Mainly, what the dealer is trying to say is that the E
was supposedly made using one the better synthesis routes and should
therefore be cleaner.



> 
> Now for the comment:
> I've had personal experience of a contra-indication of a prescription drug
> with e.  We got a few rolls from a friend in San Diego.  The first time they
> were good, but not great.  A week later I started taking this anti-obesity
> drug (dexfenfluramine/Redux) which regulates the serotonin levels in
> your brain to make you feel satisfied all the time.  It is a close relative to
> Prozac.  Anyway, the next time I took the same roll (well obviously not
> the same roll, but from the same batch), a few weeks later, I felt next to
> nothing, but my hubby felt the same as he did the time before.
> 
thats because dexfen is almost identical to E in structure and function.
they build a crosstolerence, so your body acts as if its been taking e
everyday so of course it doesn't work very well
. BTW, dexfen has been shown to be WAY more neurotoxic than E.  Just goes
to show what a good pr job and the backing of a major phamchem company can
do for a drug.

tim



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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Jason S Shapiro wrote:

> First of all let me apologize in advance for the numerous reponses I am 
> about to make.  I was hoping to do this in one letter, and cut and paste 
> all of the following letters/responses into one, but I'm on a dumb 
> terminal and am not able to.  Thus, I'll have to respond to each letter 
> individually...
> 
> 
> On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote:
> 
> > 
> > As Stevie said, doing multiple doses of E is very dangerous. It's an 
> > amphetamine, dammit! (I heard that 166mg is the max effective dosage, but 
> > dunno where that number came from). However, I thought I'd mention that 
> > if you're taking SSRI's (antidepressant perscription drugs like Prozac, 
> > Paxil, or Zoloft) then E will not work. They counteract each other.
> 
> This is not true.  Plenty of people on SSRI's are able to have a 
> wonderful experience with mdma.  In fact, there is evidence that it may 
> be good to take Prozac with E, as it apparently reduces the 
> neurotoxicity.  I would not recommend this, however, until a better 
> understanding of the relationship this SSRI has with MDMA and 
> it's neurotoxicity.
> 
it seems that most of jasons post have been well informated.  this one
howvever is not exactly correct.  the protective factor of prozac and
other ssris (selective serotin reuptake inhibitors for those who had
asked) comes when taken after E.  when taken before they tend to mitigate
the experence.

tim



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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> ==================================================================
> 
> tee hee, why do u think u see kids sometimes w/ those gas masks on
> smelling like vicks vapo rub!
> 
if people only knew what was actually in that vicks.  I would love to see
that look on some people's faces when they find out what they have been
inhaling.  Since people have shown a tendency not believe a lot things you
can check this one out yourself.  Here just a hint for you.
Stereoisomers.  If you ivestigate your stereoisomers it should all become
crystal clear for you.

tim



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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Davis J. Bassan B.S. wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Jason S Shapiro wrote:
> 
> > This is not true.  Plenty of people on SSRI's are able to have a 
> > wonderful experience with mdma.  In fact, there is evidence that it may 
> > be good to take Prozac with E, as it apparently reduces the 
> > neurotoxicity.  I would not recommend this, however, until a better 
> > understanding of the relationship this SSRI has with MDMA and 
> > it's neurotoxicity.
> > 
> it seems that most of jasons post have been well informated.  this one
> howvever is not exactly correct.  the protective factor of prozac and
> other ssris (selective serotin reuptake inhibitors for those who had
> asked) comes when taken after E.  when taken before they tend to mitigate
> the experence.

Ooops, my mistake.  I did forget to qualify that.  However, the decrease 
of neurotoxicity is not heightened by taking the prozac *after* the MDMA 
as opposed to taking it *before*.  There is a window period of a few hours 
(I'm desperately trying to find the original article of the research so 
as that I can cite it).  Taking the Prozac shortly before, or during the 
MDMA would probably decrease the desired effects a bit though, as it 
seems that MDMA enters the serotonin neuron through the reuptake (which 
the Prozac would block).  Thus, your response is correct, in so much 
as that taking the Prozac slightly before, or during the MDMA 
experience might lessen the quality, however looking at it 
from a strictly chemical standpoint (as opposed to qualitative),
the window period would allow the same reduction of neurotoxicity 
when taken before or after the dosage.  

-Jason

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> if people only knew what was actually in that vicks.  I would love to see
> that look on some people's faces when they find out what they have been
> inhaling.  Since people have shown a tendency not believe a lot things you
> can check this one out yourself.  Here just a hint for you.
> Stereoisomers.  If you ivestigate your stereoisomers it should all become
> crystal clear for you.

Unfortuantely, I wouldn't have any idea where to start looking for
information on stereoisomers.  Can you just give us a quick run-down on
what they are and what's so bad about them in relation to vicks vapo-rub?

thanks,

chris

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ON august 30th, the Jungle Vibe Collective will be throwing a free party
in minnepolis.  This serves a double puropse: to make up for the troubles
with rinse cycle (something you'd never see uniti do, BTW) and it'll be a
pre-party to elektrik disko. I'll put more information up as I get it.
Oh, i forgot to mention (for anyone who doesn't know) this is in
Minneapolis.  

chris e

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On 8/22/96, blarfunkular (Scott Davidson) amazingly wrote the following
tezzagipshunt:


>our economic system is not "on the verge of collapse", it is growing,
>tho dragged down by a deficit. who could bring us to our knees? most other
>coutnries in the world have their own problems as well. if you are talking
>nuclear, obviously we would destroy each other if we got into a fight that
>way. who DOES have a missile defense system? militarily we are far ahead
>of everyone in technology, and we have many strong European and global
>allies. We're in good shape!



        Actuallly the millitary has a missile defence system based around
the Minneapolis 'wall of sound'  Using bi-polar sonic reflectors they can
focus a tight beam of sonic energy and disable the missiles in flight.
Worst case examples have also shown that by defocusing the beam slightly
and playing it across the sky that they can also destabilize the MIRV's
(mulltiple-independently-targeted-reentry-vehicles) before they hit the
primary tarrgets.  It has been shown that they usually hit areas where
house music is prevalant.  (sorry chicago) ;)  Thus leaving the way clear
for hard acid, gabber and hard trance.   House doesn't stand up to
multi-megaton ground bursts too well.







                                               -jp

                                               <incessantly lulling.>
                                               <randomly stimulating>



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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, jp wrote:

> 
>         Actuallly the millitary has a missile defence system based around
> the Minneapolis 'wall of sound'  Using bi-polar sonic reflectors they can
> focus a tight beam of sonic energy and disable the missiles in flight.
> Worst case examples have also shown that by defocusing the beam slightly
> and playing it across the sky that they can also destabilize the MIRV's
> (mulltiple-independently-targeted-reentry-vehicles) before they hit the
> primary tarrgets.  It has been shown that they usually hit areas where
> house music is prevalant.  (sorry chicago) ;)  Thus leaving the way clear

funny, house had one hell of a stronghold in minneapolis last time i was 
there....

amusing none the less:)

cheers,
dylan

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>         Actuallly the millitary has a missile defence system based around
> the Minneapolis 'wall of sound'  Using bi-polar sonic reflectors they can
> focus a tight beam of sonic energy and disable the missiles in flight.
> Worst case examples have also shown that by defocusing the beam slightly
> and playing it across the sky that they can also destabilize the MIRV's
> (mulltiple-independently-targeted-reentry-vehicles) before they hit the
> primary tarrgets.  It has been shown that they usually hit areas where
> house music is prevalant.  (sorry chicago) ;)  Thus leaving the way clear
> for hard acid, gabber and hard trance.   House doesn't stand up to
> multi-megaton ground bursts too well.

Aha! I knew the "INFAMOUS Minneapolis wall of sound" was good for
something!

(laughing very hard)

chris e

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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, nuttah wrote:

> funny, house had one hell of a stronghold in minneapolis last time i was 
> there....

oddly enough, we seem to be losing the "house city" feel that we had not
so many months ago.  I think that the last really strongly house-oriented
party was Summer Daze (untouchable had a lot of house but some hard acid
as well) and maybe minneapolis realized after that party how pathetic the
chicago-imitation really is. Minneapolis Soul seems to be holding out for
house, they've still got their "hometown heroes" aka the MSM crew- but
they don't get booked nearly as much as before.  Which is good because
they are quite lacking in talent. (alex jarvis is ok, but Jason G and
Monte.. well, we don't even need to mention them)

A lot of the newer Djs here in town seem to be avoiding house (Brant
Overdose for example, spinning some really nice acid usually) 

chris e

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug 23 17:35:41 1996
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>I've had personal experience of a contra-indication of a prescription drug
>with e.  We got a few rolls from a friend in San Diego.  The first time they
>were good, but not great.  A week later I started taking this anti-obesity
>drug (dexfenfluramine/Redux) which regulates the serotonin levels in
>your brain to make you feel satisfied all the time.  It is a close relative to
>Prozac.  Anyway, the next time I took the same roll (well obviously not
>the same roll, but from the same batch), a few weeks later, I felt next to
>nothing, but my hubby felt the same as he did the time before.

If you are currently taking Redux, I suggest you call your doctor and 
seek advice as to if you should continue taking it. The manufacturer made 
an announcement yesterday to indicate that recent studies show that it's 
side-effects (specifically Primary Pulmonary Hypertension) are more 
likely than previously known. They upped the cases of PPH from 18 to a 
range of 23 to 46 cases per million. Other sources are indicating that 
these numbers are conservative. I saw this on CNN Headline News and the 
CNN website has the story at: 
<http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9608/22/weight.drug>.

Specific to your question about interaction with MDMA, an AltaVista 
search found some discussions comparing the similarities in neurotoxicity 
found in dexfenfluramine and MDMA. Apparently, this potential 
neurotoxicity is one major reason that the FDA put MDMA on schedule 1 in 
1985.

<Disclaimer: I'm not in the medical field, but I regularly watch dramatic 
TV programs about doctors.>

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug 23 17:38:20 1996
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>Hey everyone:
>
>I'll be going to Madison for this party... It's my first trip to Madison 
>so I hope to meet any of you mw-ravers there!!!
>
>
>Useless description:  Red hair... all in braids, pulled back...

Ben Wikler and Alex Jacobs (with Ben's English Cousin, a wonderful sex god 
named Chris) will be there, dressed ta kill.  Just look out for the lady 
magnets... kidding.  Ben'll be wearing phat blue Grind pants, tan colored 
Rusty shirt, and a body that's 6'4" tall.  Alex will be clad in purple Jncos 
and a green shirt or a black State Street Brats shirt.  Chris brings from 
the UK his long semibleached hair, goatee, 6'2" frame, hemp necklace, and 
Undecided Wardrobe.

This should be a prime rib party... we'll see ya there!


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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Eric wrote:

> > On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:
> > Stereoisomers.  If you ivestigate your stereoisomers it should all become
> > crystal clear for you.
> 
> That's not really true. The chemical in vicks is the same as
> methamphetamine, but with a reversed chirality, so in terms of its effects
> in the body it might as well be a different chemical. There is also no
> easy way to reverse the chirality of such a complex chemical, so there is
> no reasonable to make amphetamine from vicks.
> In any case methamphetamine and all of its precursors are tightly
> monitored by the government. If there was (or was any to make) meth from
> Vicks you can be sure Vicks wouldn't be on the market,
> 
actually, I was throwing everyone a slight curve ball.  I wanted people to
do the research for a change.  I was hoping that after doing a
research that people what find that A. atomic composition wise they
were the same and then that there was more than a dextro, levo
difference between the two, and that sterioisomers do play a big part
in activity of many psychoactive substances.
Yes, the diffence is in the chirality
of the molecule.  The barebones chemical formula is the same.  The actions
producted by the are 'somewhat' similar to but much weaker than crystal.
just as it is with ephedrine and all other relatives.

tim



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I just wanted to let everyone know about a cool new thing i found last 
night.  Some of you have probably heard of it, it's called RealAudio. 
It's a plug in for Netscape that allows you to recieve an uninterupted 
flow of audio while online. I saw this plug for it on a web page, so i 
figured "what the hell, i'll see what it can do, i have nothing to lose" 
<insert infomercial theme music here>. With in one minute of downloading 
this plug in (which sets itse;f up and runs automatically) i was 
listening to the deep house sounds of Osheen's live set at Joy in 
Boston.  There is a TON of techno-oriented stuff out there. Lost of live 
brodcasts from people's basements, as well as long pre-recorded sets 
from raves. The sound definitely isn't "All that" but it's better than 
nothing. It works best late at night when there is less traffic on the 
net. I dunno, if any of you try this and get it set up ok, let me know 
because i've found a lot of sites with cool stuff. 

	andy
	s.a.c. design

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>I just wanted to let everyone know about a cool new thing i found last 
>night.  Some of you have probably heard of it, it's called RealAudio. 
>It's a plug in for Netscape that allows you to recieve an uninterupted 
>flow of audio while online.

And as was recently mentioned on SFRaves, check out 
<http://www.thedj.com>. They have trace, techno, and ambient (as well as 
lots of other types of music).

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug 23 20:30:26 1996
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> actually, I was throwing everyone a slight curve ball.  I wanted people to
>  do the research for a change.  I was hoping that after doing a
>  research that people what find that A. atomic composition wise they
>  were the same and then that there was more than a dextro, levo
>  difference between the two, and that sterioisomers do play a big part
>  in activity of many psychoactive substances.
>  Yes, the diffence is in the chirality
>  of the molecule.  The barebones chemical formula is the same.  The actions
>  producted by the are 'somewhat' similar to but much weaker than crystal.
>  just as it is with ephedrine and all other relatives.
>  
ok, it's been four years since my last chemistry class, so ....

HUH?!?

are you saying that vicks vapo-rub and e have the same basic chemical
composition?
Full on mask hysteria, baybee!!!  =)

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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You wrote: 
>
>On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Eric wrote:
>
>> > On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:
>> > Stereoisomers.  If you ivestigate your stereoisomers it should all become
>> > crystal clear for you.
>> 
>> That's not really true. The chemical in vicks is the same as
>> methamphetamine, but with a reversed chirality, so in terms of its effects
>> in the body it might as well be a different chemical. There is also no
>> easy way to reverse the chirality of such a complex chemical, so there is
>> no reasonable to make amphetamine from vicks.
>> In any case methamphetamine and all of its precursors are tightly
>> monitored by the government. If there was (or was any to make) meth from
>> Vicks you can be sure Vicks wouldn't be on the market,
>> 
>actually, I was throwing everyone a slight curve ball.  I wanted people to
>do the research for a change.  I was hoping that after doing a
>research that people what find that A. atomic composition wise they
>were the same and then that there was more than a dextro, levo
>difference between the two, and that sterioisomers do play a big part
>in activity of many psychoactive substances.
>Yes, the diffence is in the chirality
>of the molecule.  The barebones chemical formula is the same.  The actions
>producted by the are 'somewhat' similar to but much weaker than crystal.
>just as it is with ephedrine and all other relatives.
>

Wait a minute, I may only have a polymer chem degree but I dont understand 
what your talking about?  yes chirality is very important in biochem but thats 
a much more specific criteria than just emperical formula 
similarities...anyway, your saying camphor/menthol are emperically similar to 
MDMA?

-jason

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Hi there, 

I'm planning on taking a trip to the States in early/mid-september, and 
I'm looking to play at a few clubs, parties or underground events.  

I've been playing at and promoting/organizing events for about 2 years.
My style is a mix of trance, techno and hard house, even some Goa. If you
would be interested, or could recommend a promoter, I'd really appreciate
hearing from you.

Yours sincerely,

DJ Sebastian.









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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996 IMQuirk@aol.com wrote:

> > actually, I was throwing everyone a slight curve ball.  I wanted people to
> >  do the research for a change.  I was hoping that after doing a
> >  research that people what find that A. atomic composition wise they
> >  were the same and then that there was more than a dextro, levo
> >  difference between the two, and that sterioisomers do play a big part
> >  in activity of many psychoactive substances.
> >  Yes, the diffence is in the chirality
> >  of the molecule.  The barebones chemical formula is the same.  The actions
> >  producted by the are 'somewhat' similar to but much weaker than crystal.
> >  just as it is with ephedrine and all other relatives.
> >  
> ok, it's been four years since my last chemistry class, so ....
> 
> HUH?!?
> 
> are you saying that vicks vapo-rub and e have the same basic chemical
> composition?
> Full on mask hysteria, baybee!!!  =)
no. the active ingredient in vicks and crystal have the same chemical
composition. 


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>> are you saying that vicks vapo-rub and e have the same basic chemical
>>composition?
>>Full on mask hysteria, baybee!!!  =)
>no. the active ingredient in vicks and crystal have the same chemical
>composition. 


What is the reason for everybody buyin vicks vaporub then?  for the body
tingle or what?  ive been wonderin, but afraid to ask because of pure
ignorance i guess...
gee thanx.
peace.
ink.madcitymob

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> what are some of
> te sites u've found out there? like techno oriented....  I have a 

Okay, the ones i've found so far are:

	http://www.thedj.com/ (as mentioned earlier)
	http://www.futuremix.com/ (really good RA files...Osheen and 
many others)
	http://www.technohouse.com/global/
	http://www.beatbox.com/
	http://www.x-radio.com/x-radio/music/

And i look for more every night. If u find any more good stuff, let me 
know. It's great to listen to when you're doing other stuff on the net 
late at night. A lot of these sites have live brodcasts too.

	Peace and love from mpls
	andy
	s.a.c. design

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[In retrospect, I kinda went off in this message, but kc, I want ya to
understand, I'm not going off at you personally (why would I? I happen to
like you!), I'm just using your message as a springboard for discussion and
going off in general, sharing my perceptions for all my net.friends.  So...
cheers, brother!]  :)

>you
>can either piss all over Dr. Shostak and SETI, or you can support him and
>look at SETI as a tool to bring yourself and others closer to confirming
>your own beliefs.

Hehehe, no tough decision there... how many points if I get it in his mouth?
<whips it out and takes that big hearty piss>  :D

Apparently you did not understand one of the main points of my last
message.  "Dr." Shostak was taking no steps whatsoever towards confirming
my beliefs, he was spending a suspicious amount of time mocking them.
Honestly, I don't care if he doesn't agree with my beliefs, I don't care if
he doesn't believe in personal experiences which are *quite* real to people
who have them, that's fine and that's his right to perceive reality in
whatever way he chooses... and I don't even care if he wants to mock things
on his own time... but I do care very much if he makes public speeches to
receptive audiences where 75% of his energy is spent making a laughing
matter out of sirius things.  It's like I said... I wouldn't mind it as
much if he just went about his business with his radio toys and left other
people alone, that's fine, he has a right to do that... and sure, I find
this radio wave stuff somewhat fascinating and I wish him luck as long as
he's blowing all that money.  But what he did was stand up there on stage
and make a mockery of other avenues which *need* exploration because
growing numbers of people are affected by it despite his high 'n holy
technological claims.  So as long as he's doing shit like that, I'll drain
my bladder on him all day long, and let me tell you brother, I'll gain
great delight from doing it.  ;)

>randy, i had so much to say to what you wrote that i won't bother saying it
>all because it would take me way to long. i will say this: remember that
>your views on this matter (and other matters) are way out there as compared
>with most others.

I understand this.  And I don't care about mass thought, I never have.  Why
should I?  Everything is geared towards the mass.  I ramble in order to
reach the individuals who know they are different and want to make a
change.  They don't want to be like "most others", because it doesn't fit
them.  Why on Earth would I want to be like "most others"?  Yecch.  ;)

"Way out there."  Hehe... next time you see Pythagoras, ask him how many
times people said that to him in his lifetime, especially as he was sitting
there locked up in a jail cell (because of his "way out there" beliefs)
doing his best work.  "Way out there"...  I wonder how many times Einstein
heard that.  I wonder how many times da Vinci heard that.  I wonder what
would happen if they gave up hope and gave up trying after the 100th person
told them they were "way out there".  Nah, you don't need to tell me to
read up on science history.  ;)  Incidentally, this is the 2nd time in a
month someone on this list has told me to read up on something, making a
major assumption that a) I haven't read up already but simply formed a
different perception of it, and b) because it's in writing in some
textbooks, it must be truth.  Interesting.

It's not science per se that I have a problem with, I think it's all
amazing, fascinating stuff and I'm all for these intellectual pursuits!  I
do have a problem with the way many people USE science, and the way many
people hold it so high 'n holy and unquestionable.  Not necessarily all
people, not necessarily you personally.  "Most people". ;>  Like "Dr."
Shostak for instance.  <still enjoying that hearty piss> :D

>and like it or not, if anyone can ever do something like
>convince congress to spend a great deal of money on the search for
>extraterrestrial life, it's going to be someone like Dr. Shostak and SETI,
>with scientifically supportable agruments. that just the way it works.

Well I have to say something, and this is perhaps a tangent, but quite
frankly... I DON'T LIKE "THE WAY IT WORKS".  I'm tired of hearing about
"the way it works."  So there's no way I'm gonna live my life like all the
sheep out there who just shrug their shoulders and go, "Welp, that's the
way it works."  Why should I happily settle for trying to find
scientifically supportable arguments for extraterrestrial life just because
masses of media children need to be spoon-fed their "official" evidence as
usual, when rapidly growing numbers of people are finding their *own*
evidence by the day?  For that matter, why should I settle and conform to
any of "the ways it works"?  Naturally, I'm gonna scream and kick and make
a big fuss and try to create change.  Who wrote all these rules about "the
way it works"?  Were you consulted?  I wasn't consulted.  Do you *like*
"the way it works"?  I sure don't.  What, with the environment going to
hell, people not able to get along with their own neighbors, money, taxes,
bullying law enforcement, corrupt government, egotistical athletes getting
paid $98-million for a 3-year contract while people starve in the streets,
a bunch of damn power-mongering monkeys in suits and ties called "Congress"
making decisions for you about how you can live your life... and while all
this madness goes on, scientists are spending tons of resources searching
for extraterrestrials in space, meanwhile Earth is falling apart while they
play their intellectual games.  And "That's the way it works."  Yeah great!
I'm supposed to just go along with all this?  I'm supposed to care what
those congress monkeys think about extraterrestrials or funding SETI?  I'm
supposed to listen when a "doctor" from SETI tells me "That's the way it
works?"

Sorry.  I don't play that game.

      -->  This is an infinite universe and as such,
      -->  there are an infinite number of ways to perceive it!!

____ ___ __ _ __ ___ ____ ___ __ _ __ ___ ____ ___ __ _ __ ___ ____

(Sorry, didn't mean to go all ape-shit with this message, but... I've said
it before, this is a very passionate issue for me.)

               Weebles Wobble
     (=  (but they don't fall down),  =)

                   Randy
                    a d
                     n
                    a d
                   Randy

Rainbow Freq!
Department of Interdimensional Groov
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 perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.
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watch out for the bass man...

(think im gonna have to go to full screen for this one.)

i guess this is what the 2nd cd of industrial strength was really made for.  

all you guys out there got your big city raves and shit.  i just had my very
last little town rave before i come up there to join you guys in the big
leagues.  so many things put this rave in my top 3 list.

one- josh barnes spun the best he has, ever.  he experimented with some acidy
electro shit in the beginning.  sounded cool as hell.  sounded like he was
trying a new style.  i was thinking "man, i hope he plays that mike dearborn
track..."  oh boy was i in for a surprise.  he comes up with gameform, i was
like "WOW!", ok i said to myself, he doesnt have to play mikey for this set.
 but josh loves me(me as ravers as a whole), so guess what he did.  he
m-m-m-M-M-M-MIXES mikey into game form.  "OH SHIT!"  i danced my ass off.  i
was hot, and hes still spinnin awesome shit.  i go outside on the playground.
 i see SMOKE cummin outta the windows.  my friend comes out.  "he just played
nightstalker off  adrenalin hardcore rush!!!"  no wonder there was smoke
cummin outta the windows!  he was frying everyone in there!  i go back up.
 guess what?  everyone VAPORIZED!!!    he spun awesome.

two- you watch REALLY good people dance and sometimes wish you could dance
like them.  well, for a second, i danced like my friend.  usually when i
dance like someone i feel bad or stupid cuz they aint my moves.  but, why i
did some stuff just like aaron did, i felt like i was either a) him b) those
moves were ALSO mine and i could dance like that.  guess ill have to wait
till the 21st of sept to find huh?  

three- remember the smoke i was talking bout?  coming home in my friends
car(not aaron) i could see fog coming from the river.  i told my friends to
pull over.  we looked at this shit.  it was awesome.  it was like 200 ft off
the ground.  we drove around to different spots to get a good look at it.  we
found an awesome spot in front of hungry hobo.  it was the bomb.  

well the rest i guess from here on is just plain gabber(-trance???  uh, No.)
 this was THE last rave.  i was gonna say "i cant wait to found out if i can
dance like aaron"  but that didnt make sense when i was typing it.  wanna
know why?  cuz subconsciously i knew i was gonna dance like before i came
back down here for the rave round turkee-time(thanksgivin')  from here on out
its just getting to that level.  then from there, improving on that and
making it completely mine so that WHEN i come back, *I* will be one of those
guys people watch.  i dance good already, but not awesome.   ---i meant "i
just cant wait till i get to the point where i dance like aaron"  

im gonna ask again.  how many of you out there "...just wanna dance" and
would make it there job if they could?  

when a track is playing, can you guys tell right exactly when the beat is
gonna change?  i can, almost all the time.  i can even sense when a mixed
part is gonna come in.  thats what aaron can do, he just doesnt have to think
about it, ever.  thats why he dances so good.  thats the way im gonna dance.
 

is it so bad, is it wrong to wanna dance like someone?  you guys are my
peers, YOU tell ME.  

TRANCEnding into deep thought---  

derik

"a real raver goes for the scene, not to be seen."  -me also


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Well, I can't exactly say it was the worst rave, considering I never 
even got there!  Lemme explain my pathetic story.  We were going to go 
to that Hopscotch party in Madison on Friday.  We're on the highway, 
everything's cool, then we get to where we're supposed to turn off.  
But we didn't know whether to take the east or west exit, so we just 
took the east.  Bad move.  The directions said to travel down for a 
long ways, so we did, for a half hour!  We kind of realized we fucked 
up, so we started turning around.  It was already 12:00 am!  Well, we 
just wanted to get there, so we were going a bit fast, 70 in a 45.  
This fat cop pulls us over, gives me a ticket ($190!!!).  So I'm a 
little bummed, thinking my dad's going to freak when he realizes that 
1) I got a speeding ticket, and 2) that it was in Wisconsin (I live in 
Chicago).  So we finally just decided to go home, we were completely 
lost.  To make shit worse, I had the worst headache.  But eventually I 
got home around 3 or 4 am.  I told my mom the story (well, not the 
*whole* truth:), I made up something to explain my being in Wisconsin 
which she accepted :).  At least this story ends semi-happily: Because 
the cop never even checked my insurance or registration, the ticket 
isn't going on my record.  I do, however have to pay it, but at least 
my insurance doesn't go up, and at least my dad never finds out!  So 
its a fairly happy ending.  Sorry to the people I was supposed to meet 
there! (Jon, Jason).  I think I'll hold off going to Wisconsin for a 
little while, unless I can find a house to crash at.  

                Jeff

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i guess we have different views on things.   i didnt mean for it to come out
that i want to be him, just, fuck i dont know now.  

i certainly dont want to start some stupid war "well if you WERE a real
raver... yada yada yada..."  

i just like to spill my guts out after each rave... 

do you like to tear down other people to make them feel worthless?  j/k.  

maybe its cooler to say you wouldnt call yerself a raver and thats why you
dont?  not trying to tear you down, just going off on what you said.

--derik

"enter quote here"


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FIVEALIVE
	SUN._AUGUST25th_.1996

	   at__the_BEATBOX
              
	6:00pm_eastern_until_?
	http://www.beatbox.com
         
	         djS:
	
	BROOKS MOSHER
	smart_records/lansing,MI
	ABSTRAK
	vmax_records/lansing,MI
	LOWSH
	crt/lansing,MI
	JIMMY_D
	middleamerica

	    you_will_NEED:

	28.8kBPS_modem(+)
	realaudio2.0
	http://www.realaudio.com
	netscape1.0(+)
	http://home.netscape.com
	thePALACE
	http://www.thepalace.com
	         (graphical_chat)

	th_BEATBOX will be running 
	the PALACE server software, 
	hosting live chat in a 
	warehouse in cyberspace. 
	this aint no IRC.
	___________________________
	fivealive            no.005

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>maybe its cooler to say you wouldnt call yerself a raver and thats why you
>dont?  not trying to tear you down, just going off on what you said.
>
>--derik
>
>"enter quote here"

whelp...i love being a raver...but i think thats just cuz im down with the
real deal... what its all about fer real, ya know?...vibe, musik, ppl...not
fashion, drugs, or money...in my experience, its the ppl who aint caught the
love yet that dont wanna be called ravers...in my experience anyhow...but im
a raver and proud of it...

(2 sense of mine)

*hugs*kisses*love*

JOSH!

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i have, on several occasions, tried to hook myself up with realaduio...but
its got some sorta problem with it on my system...it always gives me some
stoopid meesage about some part of it not being able to work on my
system...consequently, ive deleted it...but would very much like to have it
fer occassions such as 'fivealive'...anyone able to ofer advice and/or
help?...thanks in advance...

*hugs*kisses*love*

JOSH!





>FIVEALIVE
>	SUN._AUGUST25th_.1996
>
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>	crt/lansing,MI
>	JIMMY_D
>	middleamerica
>
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>	the PALACE server software, 
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>


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last nite was 'underground' here in minneapolis

the line up was

        TIM TAYLOR uk
        HALO chi
        SPUN sanfran
        ASTRALMATRIX
        ABSTRAKT sanfran
        UFO sanfran
        NOEL sanfran
        APOLLO minne
        STYLUS minne
        OVERDOSE minne

a well rounded line up (sooprisingly) fer a minneapolis party...and a rooky
event at that too!

SPACE
someone needs to realize that the space they used is gettin old...after 3
parties and weekly thursday nite club events, its gettin annoying...they
dont even need a map or a map point anymore...pretty soon theyll just say
'its at the usual spot'...and everyone will know where its at...i dont much
care fer the space to begin with...but after a good 10 to 12 nites there, it
gets annoying...

LITES
basic mediocre rave lights...decent...did the job...no biggie either way...

SOUND
they had a nice, mostly clean sound system...seemed a bit bigger than alotta
minneapolis events...or at least it was a WHOLE lot cleaner
souding..nice...a fresh change from the usual muddy sound of minneapolis
events...

MUSIK

        APOLLO
        basic acid musik from apollo...nothing spectacular...but nice shit
to dance to
        regardless...i see him every week, so its gonna take a lot fer him
to impress me
        
        HALO
        once again, it was yer basik halo set...lots and lots of build
up...i love build
        up...and he does it superbly...tons of scratchin skillz as
well...but, hes been 
        here a lot in the past months...so, again, its gonna take a lot fer
him to 
        impress me, as well...

        ABSTRAKT, UFO, NOEL
        jungle tag team crayzee shit...too bad i didnt feel like dancing
when they were
        on...these guys werk together like a well oiled machine...goin buck
wild and
        bustin out severe skills and phresh tracks left and rite...all the
smoov as hell
        jazzy shit mixed perfectly with the older skewl hiphopped jungle
shtuff...they 
        busted shit up!...

        ASYTRAL MATRIX
        phukkin insane...without a doubt one of *THE* best live p.a.s ive
EVER heard
        before...i wish i could shrink astralmatrix down and insert in my
head and have 
        it goin all the time...absolutely phenonmenal!!

        TIM TAYLOR
        aaaaahhhhh!!!....tim taylor is *THEE* man...phukked it up fer nearly
2 hours...
        build up and mellow out...build up and mellow out...mphukkin crayzee
shit... hes
        soooooooooo damned smoov...unless yer familiar with the rekkids hes
spinning, 
        youd never be able to tell when one track comes in and another goes
out...hes so
        phukkin smoov...mad ass props to hush productions fer booking him
(finallly,
        someone else knew who he was!!!)...

        BRANT OVERDOSE
        kwily getting better and improving...and kwikly taking a place to
call home next
        to apollo as one of those locals who you see at EVERY party...really
now...dont 
        get me wrong...hes got skills, and so do all the other locals you
see at every
        party...but theres so many more other locals out there dying fer a
chance to 
        spin out at parties...

        STYLUS
        a decent set...nothing too great...nothing too terrible...decen shit
tho... 
        highly daneable...and smoov...

all around GREAT event by hush productions...

the vibe, i thought, was thick as hell...everyone was chilled and laid
back...lotsa ppl who didnt know eachother gathering together and watching
and admiring and respecting how each other danced...it was a real
unification experience...

ony downfall (other than the space) is a personal thang concerning a few of
the attitude ridden minneapolis kids...but it ddoeesnt concern nor interest
anyone else (tho it is *SEVERELY* phukked up)...so i wont talk of
it...sooprisingly, i was able to get past it all and have one helluva good time!

mad mad mad mad props to hush production for their first event...

give em a call to find out whats goin on at...

612.215.7236

*hugs*kisses*love*

JOSH!

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From: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: commercial raves
To: WaveShaft@aol.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com
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> ... yeah, but think how uncomfortable and out-of-place those preps must 
> feel ... bet they wish they were nicer to you in high school so they 
> could talk to you now!  and neway, maybe some of them will Really like 
> the music and therefore they Will belong there.
> 
> -tamzin
> 
okay, is this the message you just responded to me about?  i checked my 
sent mail and this is the only one addressed to you specifically and, if 
this is the message you are getting all worked up about, then i am CoNFuSeD.

if you're talking about something else, could you forward me my own nasty 
message back so i can understand when i insulted anyone because it is not 
in my nature to cut people down ... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

-one thoroughly confused and upset individual,

	tamzin 


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From: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [=!=] Comment about "RAVERS" et al [=!=] READ !!!
To: WaveShaft@aol.com
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okay i just forwarded back an old message asking you what was/is going on 
but before you respond to that - could you just let me know if it IS me 
you are addressing your message to?  (it's addressed to me AND the list 
so i'm not sure ... neway ....)
-tamzin

On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 WaveShaft@aol.com wrote:

> i guess we have different views on things.   i didnt mean for it to come out
> that i want to be him, just, fuck i dont know now.  
> 
> i certainly dont want to start some stupid war "well if you WERE a real
> raver... yada yada yada..."  
> 
> i just like to spill my guts out after each rave... 
> 
> do you like to tear down other people to make them feel worthless?  j/k.  
> 
> maybe its cooler to say you wouldnt call yerself a raver and thats why you
> dont?  not trying to tear you down, just going off on what you said.
> 
> --derik
> 
> "enter quote here"
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Aug 24 18:15:45 1996
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Well, hop scotch was fun...really neat space, i would like to see more 
parties there in the future.  But when it was time to go, I had realized 
that i was extreemly dehydrated, and very hungry, I decided that i would 
use the $3.50 in my backpack to buy some food and big bottle of orange 
juice. mmmmm that would hit the spot, and then i would take the bus home 
with my last bus ticket that was also in my backpack.  So as I went to 
grab my backpack i noticed it wasn't where i left it. well, i had dropped 
4 hits of acid earlier so i just figured i had put it somewhere else 
without knowing about it, then i spotted it on the other side of the 
room. i walked over and picked it up....something was wrong...it didn't 
feel quite right, so i open it up, WHAT THE FUK! some MOTHERFUKER went 
through MY backback! they took my money, which for me is very scarce, i 
happen to be rather poor, and i budget my money very carefully, so now i 
will have less food and will have to go hungry. They took my bus ticket, 
so i had to walk home and because i was so dehydrated and didnt have 
money to buy any beverage to quench my thirst, i ended up fainting half 
way home and hit my head on the sidewalk which does no exactly feel good. 
They took my emergency 
just-in-case-you-show-up-for-a-party-and-there-is-a-discount-with-canned-food-donation-and-andsomeone-forgot-theirs can of corn. They took my 
flyers, WHY THE HELL WOULD SOMEONE STEAL FLYERS? There were plenty of 
them all over the place. The only thing they left was my little stuffed 
monkey. The whole thing really pissed me off, that was my stuff, sure it 
wasn't much but to me it was and it caused me a lot of problems.

Anyway, I will be un-subscribing to the list in a couple days, because my 
best friend and roommate, the person i love with all my heart, even more 
than my own girlfriend, decided that he doesn't like me anymore and is 
kicking me out, i don't make enough money to be able to afford an 
apartment by myself, and i really dont have very many friends so i wont 
be able to room with anyone. so i will have to live in a storage shed 
untill i can get a better job. Shit ain't goin too well for me right now, 
and the only reason i'm alive is because i'm still searchin for that 
ultimate groove. I would like to thank everyone who has ever showed me 
kindness, my love goes out to all of you. I will not be able to make it 
to rave-em & bail-e but i will most likel be at UFO

peace

scott

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To: "Wicket Productions" <johnnyu@albany.net>,
        "Western New York and Southern Ontario RaveNet" <WNYSOR-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>,
        "ne raves" <ne-raves@world.std.com>, <seraves@american.edu>,
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Subject: THE FINAL URANUS LINE-UP OCT. 12, 1996-1 HOUR FROM NYC
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:09:58 -0400


Phato Productions Presents
URANUS
The Upstate New York Music Festival
October 12, 1996
Monticello, NY
9PM-8AM
315-63-PHATO

The planetary journey continues on Saturday October 12, 1996 at the
illustrious Concord Resort Hotel nestled within the Catskill Mountains just
1 hour north of New York City.

For URANUS, the fifth in a series of planetary parties we have selected an
unparalleled lineup of the best DJ's and producers in the galaxy.

The world renowned Concord Resort is one of New York State's Largest
exhibition centers featuring over 170,000 square feet of raw space.  We
will be converting this space into two MASSIVE dancing arenas complete with
CLAY PACKY GOLDEN SCAN HPE series fixtures, J WOLF SOUND, and a huge ARGON
laser sweeping overhead.

For those wishing to continue your journey, the excitement continues. After
the party rooms are available.  The Concord resorts features indoor and
outdoor swimming pools, saunas, steam  rooms, and a plethora of
recreational facilities to suit your every need.  For reservations please
contact the Concord after September 1, 1996 at 1-800-CONCORD and ask for
the planetary group rate.

LIVE TRANSMISSIONS

Disintegrator (Industrial Strength Recordings, NYC)
The legendary Industrial Strength duo return to upstate for their first
performance anywhere in over a year.  There are sure to be the bomb.  

Dubtribe (Organico, San Francisco)
Internationally known for their beautiful and melodic performances,
Sunshine and Moonbeam will help provide a rich warmth of happiness to the
event. 

Cosmonauts Confirmed to Launch

DJ Hell (Disko B,  Germany)
The infamous hard acid master from Germany will be making his upstate
debut.  This is THE DJ you definitely don't want to miss. 

The Surgeon (Downwards, UK)
His records are an amazing representation of hard techno that has been akin
to such producers as Dave Clarke.  Some say it is he who is responsible for
reviving techno.

Miss Marilyne (Paris, France)
The beautiful Miss Marilyne will be making her northeast debut, introducing
her style of hard acidic trance.  She is a resident at The Tribal
Gatherings, Sound Shaft in London and Slam Club in Hamburg.

Cajmere (Cajual, Chicago)
Pioneer of the Chicago Sound Cajmere is also the owner of the world
renowned Cajual Records in Chicago.    

Pierre (Strictly Rhythm, NYC)
New York's legendary "King of Acid"  that needs no introduction.  When you
say New York House, we say Pierre.

Joey Beltram (Tresor, NYC)
One of the New York pioneers, Joey returns to upstate to push you to a new
level.  Let's hope our sound company is ready for him.

Carlos (San Francisco House Collective)
Our personal favorite, Carlos adds instant vibe to any party.  Flaunting
his wizardry of the Technics 1200s, the Ecuadorian will be sure to put a
smile on your face.  

Super DJ Dmitry (Deee-Lite, NYC)
The legend from Deee-Lite returns to upstate after making an amazing
performance at Neptune. 

Icey (Edge, Orlando)
Owner of the Edge in Orlando Icey has influenced the southern rave scene
monumentally and has produced world famous tracks throwing down his
southern flavor. 
 
Selway  (Serotonin /Satellite, NYC)
The musical chameleon behind more projects than one can list, one can never
tell what John is going to play.

Dipi (IHR, Chicago)
For those of you who were in awe from Bad Boy Bill at Mars, or thought Jes
was incredible at Upstate Groove, we bring you another from Bad Boy Bill's
IHR label. Caesar is sure to rock.

Mr. Kleen (Satellite Productions, NYC)
Half of Satellite in NYC he is co-founder of the Upstate scene. New York's
original trance DJ and Coordinator of Sputnik, Voyager, and nebula series
of parties.

Heather Heart (Sonic Groove, NYC)
This Brooklyn bad girl knows how to get the floor moving the hard way.  

Doctor Trance (Effective, TO)
This Doctor may not be an MD but is the pioneer of the Toronto rave scene. 
He hosts one of the largest trance shows in North America.

Jordan Vesteyo (Adrenalin/cor, NY)
After rockin the International Trance Festival, Jordan is Upstate's most in
demand hard trance DJ.  He has been a favorite of ours since the days of
Cloud 9.

Space (Launch Pad, Albany)
Owner of the "is It open yet?" in Albany, Space is a true pioneer of the
upstate scene.  Originator of the Albany Rave scene with "The Abyss," he
has laid down the house tracks at such parties as Green, Vernal Equinox,
Sputnik Reunion, Saturn, Mars, Neptune, and Jupiter.  As any upstate kid
will tell you t Space is the master of the mix. 

DV8 (AFF, NY-Toronto)  
The Pioneer of the Rochester Rave scene. He is the man that brought "the
underground" to Rochester.

Flex (Sky Baby, Rochester)
URB magazine said he "provides an intense energy level to make you wanna
jump up and groove." Get ready!

Enkay (SWK, NY)
A newcomer to the upstate scene he recently introduced a series of
underground events to the Middletown.

TICKETS
$20 MAIL ORDER DIRECT FROM PHATO POSTMARKED BEFORE 9-13-96

MAIL ORDER POSTAL MONEY ORDER ONLY TO:
PHATO
98 MCLENNAN DR.
FAYETTEVILLE, NY 13066

$25 PRESALE AT ALL TICKET LOCATIONS OR MAIL ORDER AFTER 9-13-96
$30 DOOR (ADVANCE SALE TICKETS SUGGESTED)



DIRECTIONS

NEW YORK CITY
GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE TO NJ PALISADES PARKWAY TO NYS THRUWAY (87N)
UPSTATE.  GET OFF AT EXIT 16 WHICH PUTS YOU ONTO 17W.  EXIT AT 105B
(KIAMESHA-RT 42N) WATCH FOR CONCORD TURNOFF

TORONTO, BUFFALO, SYRACUSE, ROCHESTER, BINGHAMTON
RT 90E.  GET OFF SYRACUSE EXIT #36.  PICK UP RT 81S IN SYRACUSE.  FOLLOW TO
17E IN BINGHAMTON. TAKE 17E TO EXIT 105B.  TURN NORTH ONTO RT. 42.  WATCH
FOR CONCORD MARKED TURNOFF.

ITHACA.  
RT 79 TO WHITNEY PT.  PICK UP RT 81S AND FOLLOW SUGGESTED PORTION OF
TORONTO BUFFALO RT.

PHILIDELPHIA
NJ TURNPIKE TO GARDEN STATE PARKWAY TO NYS THRUWAY TO EXIT 17W.  EXIT AT
105B, WATCH FOR CORCORD MARKED TURNOFF.

BOSTON
MASS TURNPIKE WEST (RT 90) TO STURBRIDGE THEN SOUTH TO RT 84W.  THEN TAKE
NY EXIT 4W TO17W TO EXIT 105B (KIAMESHA RT. 42) WATCHED FOR MARKED TURNOFF.

NEW HAVEN
95S TO PICK UP RT 7 NORTH TO 84W.  PROCEED TO NY EXIT 4W TO QUICKWAY (RT
17W) THEN TO EXIT 105B.  WATCH FOR CONCORD TURNOFF.





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  Hmm... well, getting a little pissed off at my provider - "Save to Disk 
Dissabled"... BAH! Anyhow, any good raveage pix of late ne1 wants to 
send? (email)?

--
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*  so as to be underst00d,  {    wu921@freenet.victoria.bc.ca  } sPiCe    *
*     IT WILL BE             }   baden@draco.bison.mb.ca      {   [0]     *  
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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: one question?


is this world fucked up or what???

	the reason i ask this is because raverz have this amazing sence of
PLUR, and it's almost as if the only place to find such love and unity
now-a-days is at a rave???  but on to the real, real reason i asked this
question...I loV EvErYoNe!! plain and simple but last nite as i walked to
a rave only 5 blocks away from the map point (good placement) i started
repeating the 'I Have A Dream...' speech by mr. king himself...but because
i am white, several slightly drunk (and much shorted and weaker) hispanics
approched me and said.."puto" or how ever the fuck you spell bitch in
spanish...i was like what the fuck is your problem, hell i didn't even
know what the hell he called me until  a friend told me????(please don't
think i am ignorent i just failed spanish many years ago and haven't cared
for it since??????

so why is this world so fucked up??? and why do they (elders and old ppl
and like dounut dunkers ((cops))) want to totally mess with the scene..
the one place where you don't have to worry about getting your ass kicked
for bumping into some1???????

	RaVe FoR LiFe, SaVe ThE cHiLdReN!!!!!!!]


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From: Baden de Bari <wu921@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: [=!=] Comment about "RAVERS" et al [=!=] READ !!!
To: ">North-West rAvEs<" <nw-raves@hyperreal.com>
cc: Waveshaft@aol.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com


On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 WaveShaft@aol.com wrote:

> 
> im gonna ask again.  how many of you out there "...just wanna dance" and
> would make it there job if they could?  
> 
> when a track is playing, can you guys tell right exactly when the beat is
> gonna change?  i can, almost all the time.  i can even sense when a mixed
> part is gonna come in.  thats what aaron can do, he just doesnt have to think
> about it, ever.  thats why he dances so good.  thats the way im gonna dance.
> 
> "a real raver goes for the scene, not to be seen."  -me also

  Hmm... I don't want you to get me wrong about what this message is 
going to sound like, but it is just how you're coming off... wait.
  I can agree about "...just wanna dance" - I checked out this pad 
called Rumors last saturday - I had a feeling it would be great, but 
never got around to poping by - ruled.  I danced and danced and danced - 
A buddy of mine was in from Winnipeg, and my girlfriend was with us too - 
I asked them if they wanted to dance, and they declined - so I went.  
Well, I got a bit of a cold shoulder when I didn't come back and get 
them - jokingly of course - but when you get that vibe, you just can't stop!

 ... ok, so now for your 2nd paragraph ...

    Yeah, I can pretty much tell when the beat is going to change - 
perhaps it comes from 3 years of djing and oh... uhm, beatmixing... . . .   
.   .      .      .?
  As for your buddy Aaron - you wanna be just like him?  YOu think he 
dances better than you, but then you need to justify your insecurity by 
saying that you have the same moves as him? Hmm...  So he's such a good 
dancer, and you wanna dance just like him?  Why are you telling us this?
... I guess that basically neglects you from being a "real raver"... <grin>
uhm, "a real raver goes for the scene, not to be seen"... no, NOT YOU TOO.
  If that were the case, you wouldn't be coming on here giving us your 
"I'm gonna be a g00d dancer" spiel - what are you looking for some kind 
of acknowledgement from the virtual world - are you not getting it at the 
raves - do you crave to be the center of attention - is there some deep, 
underlying subconcious need you have to be ....


				NUMBER ONE!!!???

 ... hmm... no, then you wouldn't be a "raver" as you say.

   It's not about a lable - it's not about what you wear - In a news 
paper article in the paper here about Sumer Love in Vancouver last week, 
they were comparing the Rave scene to the Hippie scene of the 60's... 
drugs, etc ... bah.
   Still I don't think it's about drugs, or clothes (although tiz g00d) - 
or talking about being a raver, and wanting to be known as a "raver" - 
it's about attitude - philosophy (underlying) - and if you wanna compare 
it to hippies, well,  - LOVE!  The best raves I've been to I've felt a 
g00d feeling - every1 gets along - even the jocks (although rarely).
    I'm not sure when, lets say some rapper, starts switching over and 
can call themselves a "raver" - I don't even call MYSELF a raver - 
I *** HATE *** it when I hear things like that .............. 
 it's just one of those terms people use to lable themselves to gain some 
kind of 'c00l' social standing - why?  

 				BECAUSE 
				  THEY 
				 cRAVE

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okay, tonight i came home from some average show where i danced on and 
off to some average techno, but loved it and smiled a lot. i pulled my 
beloved boots off, my socks too, and then noticed that half of my left 
big toe (bottom) was covered in blister and that, worse, the blister had 
popped. this is a large amount of toe involved! i really don't like this...

so, my questions for y'all are these - what do you wear on your feets for 
dancing? what do you do to make sure that blisters, stresses, strains, and 
general feet/ankle hurts don't happen? 

heidi jo



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Okey dokey, I'm sure you all saw Josh's review already, but here's mine.

I really had trouble getting past the space.  It's not that I want a
"virgin" space, but I'd like a little variety. This party had nothing to
distinguish it from Spundae or One-Der.  One guy I talked to said he was
thinking of it as "One-Der III" and I totally agreed.  I realize that the
promoters probably lost their original space and had to go to this one as
a backup, but there's other spaces the could've grabbed that would've
worked a little better!  (steps up on a soapbox) It's this kind of
bullshit that's going to turn everyone off to the rave scene and it's
painful that the promoters can't see it!  Sure, people will have fun in
the short term but people will get sick of going to the same rave with the
same people in the same space after a while.  By using this space the
promoters are just shooting themselves in the foot. Sure a shot in the
foot won't kill you instantly but if you keep doing it, you'll die of
blood loss.  The blood being ravers that they're losing by continuing to
do the same thing every weekend. Don't ever expect to see me at a party in
that space unless it has a PHENOMENAL lineup! From now on I'll be asking
before I buy a ticket because I will not support a promoter that ignores
the most crucial part of a party, the space. I will never attend another
party unless it's free or really good in the General Steel warehouse
again. The space inherently breeds bad vibes! (steps off the soapbox)

Okay, so the review:

Sound- pretty nice. The Minneapolis wall of sound is once again erected in
the same old location.  This time the wall of sound came courtesy of the
Communique world tour.  The only distortion was from the walls of the
warehouse rattling- the system itself seemed to be crystal clear (although
i could be remembering this incorrectly)

Lights- blah. 12 trackspots and a strobe.  Fog machine. Oil-and-water
projection. Program starts at midnight. Same program continues for 6
hours. Number of changes in the programming: zero.  Spundae had amazing
lights, this party had very mediocre lights.

Music- I don't know who I heard that much. I know Halo spun some nice
house, very typical of the Halo style, but in a good way.  Abstract and
UFO spun a really, really nice jungle set. Unfortunately I am experiencing
a condition doctors call "jungle burn-out". After listening to my "energy"
tape set from Jungle Nut Productions NYC (an 8 hour set including sets by
Mickey Finn, Kenny Ken, Andy C, Grooverider, and more) for a week and a
half constantly (well, not really. i did listen to other stuff!) I really
wasn't in the mood for any more jungle.  But I did listen ad I was
impressed.  (they played again for $2 tonight in the same space, but I'll
never go there again and i was exhausted from the state fair)  Tim Taylor
was unbelievably amazing! I can't describe how cool this guy's music was.
If he ever comes to your city, go see him! You're in for a real treat. I
don't know if I even saw astral matrix. I think i might've left before
they played (help me out here, were they after tim taylor?) Apollo was
apollo, okay acid tracks that didn't do much for me.

People/Vibe: I don't really know what to say here.  There were a few good
spots in the night (including hanging out with josh's friends! nice
people!)  but overall, the people seemed to be in the same mood I was:
sick of having to be at the exact same rave that they'd gone to twice
before. And i think tension was really rising over that- the next party in
the General Steel building will have something go down- a fight or a drug
bust or something. I don't want to see it happen, but if another party
happens there, the negativity will hit a peak and we'll have some kind of
violent unpleasantness there.  On a better note: I finally met Mark L.
from St. Cloud! After all these months of emailing, we finally met. Hi
mark!

All in all, a mediocre party. I still have faith in Hush Productions.  I'm
sure they had no choice but to use the General Steel space.  If they used
it by choice, I would lose all respect for them. But I dont want that to
be true. They seem to have a lot of potential and they're definitely worth
checking out again!

(much more excited for Elektrik Disko)

Chris e

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> so, my questions for y'all are these - what do you wear on your feets for 
> dancing? what do you do to make sure that blisters, stresses, strains, and 
> general feet/ankle hurts don't happen? 

I wear a pair of Etnies(tm) skate shoes that fit LIKE A GLOVE.  I've never
found a pair of shoes that fit me so well. I find that a really
good-fitting pair of shoes cuts down on the number of blisters.  Sadly,
the life of my shoes is coming to an end. I dont want to have to break a
new pair in to the extent that these are.

ankles are a whole other topic though. I think the best solution is to
just dance in a way that doesn't kill your ankles. I used to land on my
anle in a twisting matter on an average of once a week, but I can't dance
like that anymore.

chris e

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Okay, I seem to be in a dancing rut (as opposed to a groove, which is a
good thing :) )  and i haven't felt good about my dancing since Phoenix.
Does this happen to anyone else?  Dancing is the main reason I go to
raves, and lately I've not been enjoying it- I feel like my dancing skills
have degenerated in the last 3-4 weeks.  I used to dance with such feeling
but I have trouble doing that now.  How can I regain that great feeling
that I used to get from dancing?

It could be the bad-to-mediocre events i've had to deal with lately...

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So solly sailor...that ticket will go on your record.  It doesnt matter that
the pig did not check your registartion or ins-you were just lucky :)
anyways, it is all computerized, and when the referance of your ticket hits
the DMV computer, your insurance company will get a copy and-walla-you
loose.  Like I said, so solly!  If you havent gotten a ticket in the last
six monthes, plead for supervision.  You should get it and that is the only
way that it will not go on your record.  Just tell DA what a shitty night it
was, and you were lost and your sorry and all that stuff and if hes not too
much of an ass, hell give it to ya.  I know all about this stuff, as I
racked up 14 points in 6 months in Michigan, and a shitload of tickets in
Ill.  (including one for 113 in a 55-which I wiggled out of :) so I am
pretty well versed on how to handle tickets.<-----------HION (I cant drive
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>
>okay, tonight i came home from some average show where i danced on and 
>off to some average techno, but loved it and smiled a lot. i pulled my 
>beloved boots off, my socks too, and then noticed that half of my left 
>big toe (bottom) was covered in blister and that, worse, the blister had 
>popped. this is a large amount of toe involved! i really don't like this...
>
>so, my questions for y'all are these - what do you wear on your feets for 
>dancing? what do you do to make sure that blisters, stresses, strains, and 
>general feet/ankle hurts don't happen? 
>
>heidi jo

in general, any well made sport shoe is good...in my experience, the adidas
shell toes (or any GOOD adidas sport shoe) is the most cushy and
comfortable...especially the oldskewl ones...also nike airforc lotops are
nice...my frenz  seem to really like the new fila line...everyone is wearing
them...

but i like my generic wannabe airwalks...cheap, comfortable (fer the
mostpart),  halfway stylish too... :)

*hugs*

JAWSH!

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>Okay, I seem to be in a dancing rut (as opposed to a groove, which is a
>good thing :) )  and i haven't felt good about my dancing since Phoenix.
>Does this happen to anyone else?  Dancing is the main reason I go to
>raves, and lately I've not been enjoying it- I feel like my dancing skills
>have degenerated in the last 3-4 weeks.  I used to dance with such feeling
>but I have trouble doing that now.  How can I regain that great feeling
>that I used to get from dancing?
>
>It could be the bad-to-mediocre events i've had to deal with lately...

chris...

im rite theree with ya on this one...foor the most part i think a general
loss of joy in dancing is cuz of the events (or circumstances of and
surrounding the events)...as we both know, the shit thats gone doown lately
in minneapolis hasnt been all that...so i think that has a lot to do with
it...'underground' was the first time ive really felt moved (not forcing
myself, but the musik forcing me) to dance...before that, it was prolly at
'bubblicious' which was what?...3 or 4 months ago awready...i dunno...i
think the shitty events are the primary factor...next would be the
musik...and lastly the ppl (or more precisely, the vibe)...

no real advice, imho...it just kinda happens how its gonna happen...ytou do
yer best to promote a good vibe, hope the musik is good, and wish fer good
events...other than that, there really aint much ya can do either way....

*hugs*

JAWSH!

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hiiiii.  my weekend was pretty fun.  <trying to remember it all :P>

well, wed. nite i went out to the cardinal to check out nick nice.  he still
rox tha hayyyyouse with his tracks... but i don t like the vibe much at that
place.. still was fuuuuun :D  even tho security was a bitch about letting me
in.... i talked to nick today and he was like "i just don't understand that,
why are they so tight on security?"  sooooo :P

thurs we hit the star childrens party............. big ups to all that went!!! 
got to see dj marcus start it out with some ghetto house, hard house, and acidy
stuff..... pretty good stuff but some phukked mixes ;P  thass ok, then
christopher got on the tables and he's rockin tha hayyyyyyouse...  then i think
dee and deeeon got on and did a tag team <i mean d-on  not deeeon>  set.... and
that was goooood and i have much respect for them becauwse they KNOW how to
throw down the trance :D   then kee FINALLY got on the tables and i danced my
ASSSSS off!!!!!!  i was one of the few left.... dasncin at least.  i throw down
every time i see kee becuz i believe he's my fave madison dj... i LOVE his
stuff!!!!!!  and he started throwin hip hop at the end and i just collapsed
onto the fan and just about broke it :(  looking back, its pretty funny... 
hehe.   good $5 party.



now, hopscotch.

my hopscotch day started at 3 pm when i got to run alan around to pick up
money, go pay off the concourse hotel, go pay security.... and then go get the
tables and mixer and bring em BACK to the concourse...... all in the space of
... well it awas a very short period of time.  :P  sooooo i was drivin all
around without barely any oil OR water in my car.  it sukked.  :P  but
anyway.... then lesse... saw tenny on cg road on the way to breezys... so we 3
hooked up and went to east towne.  saw a little kid smash his face into a
cushioned seat on purpose.  hahaha that was neat.  got glowstix, cool
shoelaces.... tenny bought lotsa clothes and stuff cuz he got paid :P  well,
maybe not THAT many things.  n e how.  hooked up with people and eventually
went down to the mappoint so THEY could buy tix, i got in free cuz i helped
out.  hadnt actually been to the space until we walked over there.  it was
niiiice.  nice carpeting, and then a big wooden dancefloor with a cool
hopscotch thing made by this girl that i ferget her name :P  with stars all
over it culminating in a big smiley.  neat.   got there and DJ NIMH was
spinning.... no live mc by makai?  wassupwiththat?  ah well, he was okee... for
the approx. 10 mins we saw him.   did i mention the lites were cool?  :P 
soudns was good too.  next ANONYMOUS was on.... awww yeah!!!!!!  i am always
amazed at an anonymous set... he is just the ultimate in home care needs.  :P 
hes wonnnnnderful.... just plain awesome!  <cottage cheese?   yeah!  hell yeah!
 put some hair on your chest boyyyyeeee!  >   hahahaha sorry about that, just
got a mental flash of brent spouting funny things from his mouth.  and tenny
spouting funny things too.  :P    agh these headphone wires tickle my bare
chest!!!!!!  :P    anyhow.... after anonymous was DJ TONI!!!!!  he was prolly
my fave of the nite.... started out hard trance and flowed into happy hardcore,
he was really into it.  and now that ive heard happy hardcore, i dont
understand why people find it cheesy.     continuing.  he was great.   then was
DAVID HOLLANDS....really gooooood house stuff, but house still isnt my main
thing.    he was good.... then LEGO came on and tore shit up with the discoey
housey stuff!!!!!!!!!!  rad!  we left about that time, but, it was still a
great nite.  :D

today <saturday, well its TECHNICALLY sunday but i dun care!!!>  woke up... ran
some errands and then we eventually ended up not going to milwaukee for the $5
day party.....but thass ok cuz we chilled at tennys house allllll day.  and
made my first mixtape!!!!!  and it sux pretty bad in many spots.  but thass ok.
 hahaha :D  *smile*  n e how.....  it was a fun weekend :D

hello to this really long list of people, and even those who i fergot:  breezy,
brent, tenny, scott <im SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sorry that shit is so bad, i really
hope it brightens up cuz you deserve better>, pat, alan, jeff, becky, robyn and
the whole purple prod. crew for throwin a great party :)  dina, keili, ailee
<you prolly dont know me but thanx for the blowpop :D>, josh/wade/kristi, andi,
steve, angela, jason, josh, mark, neil/drew, kanjana, andy, adam <duh, how
could i ferget adam!>, the opp, some girls from my school that i dont know that
well.... tenny's bro <i THINK thats his bro :P>... and more.

the BIGGEST thanx to breezy, tenny, brent, dina, and keili for hangin out this
whole weekend.   tenny/brent for tha tableage!  :D  and pat and purple
productions for a rad party.. hope you guys had fun!  :D

jon/shine.

i love.  therefore, it is.


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Well, 

 I've always found that a few pairs of shoes work 
great!! Like the other guys said, just about any 
athletic shoe would be perfect.. My old repotoire of 
shoes for parties include my Airwalks, Adidas 
Superstars *hard shelleeed soccer shoes), my Converse 
All-Stars (years and years ago), and right now I'm 
trying my damnedest to ruin the brand new pair of 
Adidas walking/running shoes that my sweetie gave 
me... Those shoes are the most comfortable out of any 
so far, and they didn't requier ANY breaking in. I've 
enver gotten a blister from them, and spent a month 
walking around in them around Germany, and they 
survived Love Parade, ANd Io3... (yes, those babies 
came CLEAN with a little help of some elbow grease 
and soapy warm water!).... Whatever athletic shoe 
feels most comfortable to you though... =) Just for 
everyone's general knowledge... We have a shoe store 
called Just For Feet here in Cincy, and my lil 
brother just got a NICE pair of Airwalks there for $20...

-Becky (the shoe fashion consultant and general 
bargain shopper)


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i had just gotten a new pair of adidas torsions, they just came out and they
are really comfortable,i really recomend this shoe for comfort!:)




       SpUn music@theramp.net 


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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996 02:55:52 -0500 (CDT),
crege@piper.hamline.edu wrote...

>I really had trouble getting past the space.  It's not that I want a
>"virgin" space, but I'd like a little variety. This party had nothing to
>distinguish it from Spundae or One-Der.  One guy I talked to said he was
>thinking of it as "One-Der III" and I totally agreed.  I realize that the
>promoters probably lost their original space and had to go to this one as
>a backup, but there's other spaces the could've grabbed that would've
>worked a little better!  (steps up on a soapbox) It's this kind of
>bullshit that's going to turn everyone off to the rave scene and it's
>painful that the promoters can't see it!  Sure, people will have fun in
>the short term but people will get sick of going to the same rave with the
>same people in the same space after a while.  By using this space the
>promoters are just shooting themselves in the foot. Sure a shot in the
>foot won't kill you instantly but if you keep doing it, you'll die of
>blood loss.  The blood being ravers that they're losing by continuing to
>do the same thing every weekend. Don't ever expect to see me at a party in
>that space unless it has a PHENOMENAL lineup! From now on I'll be asking
>before I buy a ticket because I will not support a promoter that ignores
>the most crucial part of a party, the space. I will never attend another
>party unless it's free or really good in the General Steel warehouse
>again. The space inherently breeds bad vibes! (steps off the soapbox)

>Okay, so the review:
>
>Sound- pretty nice. The Minneapolis wall of sound is once again erected in
>the same old location.  This time the wall of sound came courtesy of the
>Communique world tour.  The only distortion was from the walls of the
>warehouse rattling- the system itself seemed to be crystal clear (although
>i could be remembering this incorrectly)

Hold up there!!!  Now, isn't the Communique' World Tour hitting here with 
Elektrik Disko?  So is this sound system the same one that was advertised 
on the filer?  The "4-D 150,000 watts" system?  Because I thought that 
this was going to be "debuting" at Elektrik Disko.  If it was, I'd like to 
hear some more details on how the sound was.  Incidently, did anyone else 
find it a *TAD* bit confusing on the Elektrik Disko flier where it says 
that there will be a "Special 'Black Out' Power Hour - Debuting the new 4D 
Audio Concert Sound System Guaranteed to Pump Twice as much as any thing 
you've Ever Heard with 150,000 watts...etc"  So does this mean that they 
will be using this system for only an hour?!  

>Lights- blah. 12 trackspots and a strobe.  Fog machine. Oil-and-water
>projection. Program starts at midnight. Same program continues for 6
>hours. Number of changes in the programming: zero.  Spundae had amazing
>lights, this party had very mediocre lights.

I'm a sucker for oil-and-water projections :)  I'd like to see more of that 
 at parties.  But variation is nice, my friends!


>(much more excited for Elektrik Disko)
>
>Chris e


As am I Chris!!  Hope to see you, and many others on this list there!!

-Jason




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i like running shoes because they have lots of cushion specifically 
designed to absorb that shock and bounce very similar to the shock & 
bounce i create when i dance and they are very *lightweight* on my feight. 
 :)  as for style, you can find stylie ones if you look around, but if you 
want style, lightweight, durable and comfy all rollled into one, you 
better have bux i'd rather spend on records or harddrives.  but i find 
that my $40 addidas funning shoes [sic] work jest phine.

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This was my first trip to Madison, and thus my first Madison party :)

Hopscotch was in a very nice hotel on the second floor in a 
conference/party room.

Most people, it seemed were reluctant to go inside the main room, and opted 
to sit in the hallway where they were allowed to smoke.  However, the 
people in the main-room, albeit few, were having a great time.

David Hollands was pretty good, though not as slick as I remember him. My 
personal favorite was DJ Toni.  He had some tracks going that literally 
sent me to heaven.  If anyone can tell me if any mix-tapes or anything is 
available of this guy, I would *REALLY* appreciate it (He played 
Happy-Hardocre, incidently).

It was wonderful to see many friends again, and meet new ones!  I'll 
definitely go back for UFO (provided KC goes to Elektrik Disko :)  )

C-yA,
Jason




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>Hold up there!!!  Now, isn't the Communique' World Tour hitting here with 
>Elektrik Disko?  So is this sound system the same one that was advertised 
>on the filer?  The "4-D 150,000 watts" system?  Because I thought that 
>this was going to be "debuting" at Elektrik Disko.  If it was, I'd like to 
>hear some more details on how the sound was.  Incidently, did anyone else 
>find it a *TAD* bit confusing on the Elektrik Disko flier where it says 
>that there will be a "Special 'Black Out' Power Hour - Debuting the new 4D 
>Audio Concert Sound System Guaranteed to Pump Twice as much as any thing 
>you've Ever Heard with 150,000 watts...etc"  So does this mean that they 
>will be using this system for only an hour?!  

no...this is not the same system theyll be using at 'elektrik disko'...in
minneapolis, fer kwite some time, the exact same sound system (or one of
equal) has been used...he was referring to that system...the same old sound
in the same old space, so to speak... (chris, clarify this if im
misinerpreting you)...

im not sure about eh 'blackout power hour'...regardless...an hour of 150000
watts is long enuff...with that much power, itll prolly disturb yer heart
beat rate... :)i would imagine that is not the case tho...if it is, there
will be lots pissed off ppl about misleading flyers or whateveah...but
minneapolis is know fer that...*shrug*...

*hugs*kisses*love*

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In a message dated 96-08-25 05:30:50 EDT, HION@cris.com (Joseph C. Alfe)
writes:

> <-----------HION (I cant drive
>  55-or even 70)
i can attest to that ... =P

although on a further note ....
i got a ticket in ky but the cop dropped it down from 85 to 75 in a 65.  AND
he said that it wouldn't go on my record cuz it was only ten over ... or
something like that.
whatev.

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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i highly recccomendf wrestling shoes. they always fit so perfectly +
they're very lightweight. for serious dancing. try some on at a place
like footlocker + u wikll see what i mean.
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Aug 25 12:20:57 1996
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Actually tickets in wisconsin don't transfer over state lines.

earache

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From: Baden de Bari <wu921@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [=!=] Comment about "RAVERS" et al [=!=] READ !!!
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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 WaveShaft@aol.com wrote:

> i guess we have different views on things.   i didnt mean for it to come out
> that i want to be him, just, fuck i dont know now.  
> 
> i certainly dont want to start some stupid war "well if you WERE a real
> raver... yada yada yada..."  
> i just like to spill my guts out after each rave... 

	Heh... Yeah, actually, I know what you mean, and that is why I 
put a little disclamer at the beginning of my message - it wasn't 
actually a personal blow at you, sure, some people are more justified in 
calling themselves a raver than others, just had to vent.  And no, I'm 
not one to start a friggen ( :) ) war on the list - that would be moronic.


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I've found my own personal heavan in a pair of Nike cross-trainers.  Of
course I had to work on the soles to reduce traction as to allow my shit to
slide on a properly prepared floor surface.  But I can go for hours in them.

earache

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From: Baden de Bari <wu921@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [=!=] Comment about "RAVERS" et al [=!=] READ !!!
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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 jdecker@winternet.com wrote:

> 
> >maybe its cooler to say you wouldnt call yerself a raver and thats why you
> >dont?  not trying to tear you down, just going off on what you said.
> >
> >--derik
> >
> >"enter quote here"
> 
> real deal... what its all about fer real, ya know?...vibe, musik, ppl...not
> fashion, drugs, or money...in my experience, its the ppl who aint caught the
> love yet that dont wanna be called ravers...in my experience anyhow...

  hmm, so you are saying its the 'ravers' who haven't got the love yet 
and don't like to be called ravers - ??hmm


> but im
> a raver and proud of it...
> 
> (2 sense of mine)
> 
> *hugs*kisses*love*
> 
> JOSH!

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Aug 25 12:29:00 1996
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From: Baden de Bari <wu921@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: commercial raves
To: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
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On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:

Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:25:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [=!=] Comment about "RAVERS" et al [=!=] READ !!!

okay i just forwarded back an old message asking you what was/is going on
but before you respond to that - could you just let me know if it IS me
you are addressing your message to?  (it's addressed to me AND the list
so i'm not sure ... neway ....)
-tamzin

> > 
... yeah, but think how uncomfortable and out-of-place those preps must 
> > feel ... bet they wish they were nicer to you in high school so they 
> > could talk to you now!  and neway, maybe some of them will Really like 
> > the music and therefore they Will belong there.
> > 
> > -tamzin
> > 
> okay, is this the message you just responded to me about?  i checked my 
> sent mail and this is the only one addressed to you specifically and, if 
> this is the message you are getting all worked up about, then i am CoNFuSeD.
> 
> if you're talking about something else, could you forward me my own nasty 
> message back so i can understand when i insulted anyone because it is not 
> in my nature to cut people down ... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
> 
> -one thoroughly confused and upset individual,
> 
> 	tamzin 

			....hehe... obviously, Tamzin.

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Aug 25 12:42:25 1996
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From: brent theisen <brentt@hermine.onlineuw.org>
To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
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well kids, i was just wonderin' what the deal is with a net.rave?  it's 
been a on-going topic on here but it seems like now there's not going to 
be one.  i don't wanna get people hyped or anything about it but like 
just about every dumb thing i think about :) i'll ask you guys about it.

one thing we could do, if it's not too late, is slap together a little 
pre-party for ufo.  i know that it's only two weeks away but fuk it!  
what i had in mind [idea stolen from nick nice] is just have a free party 
on the nite before ufo down at the library mall in downtown madison.  
from what i've been told, if we got a permit [$7.50 at the city/county 
building] we could use that whole area.  when someone told me you could 
do that i didn't believe them [and i'm still kinda skeptikal] but i know 
he wouldn't bullshit.

i guess one of the benefits of doing something in a rush, like this, is 
that there would be no time to get into a lengthy discussion about what 
the party should be like 'n stuff :), not to say that a well planed 
net.party would be bad or anything.

i remember that the last thread about a net.rave had a few people sayin' 
they would donate there system, tables, or djing for the nite.  i could 
bring my sorry ass tables but theres no point in throwin' it if we got my 
tables cuz the really bite.

i doubt that we'd be able to do this but if anyone's interested in 
trying, please e-mail.  

		b
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	I like soft bouncy shoes for dancing. Running shoes are good for 
this, but if you make lots of side to side moves or shuffle, then you 
might want to get skate shoes like Enties.

    daniel k. taylor          | "...I feel much better now."
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>  hmm, so you are saying its the 'ravers' who haven't got the love yet 
>and don't like to be called ravers - ??hmm

well, yeah...that *IS* what im saying...and i can feel comfortable saying
it, cuz all the kids ive come across who hate bein called ravers cant tell
you one *GOOD* reason why they go to parties in the first place...so you
tell me...

*hugs*kisses*love*

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>Actually tickets in wisconsin don't transfer over state lines.
>
>earache

yeah...so...if ya get a 185.00 dollar ticket fer doin 98 in a 65 you can
skip out on payment fer a while...so long as yer not dumb enuff to drive in
wisconsin again before you DO pay it off...but i wouldnt know anything about
that... ;P

*hugs*

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Well i suggest you stop reading this if you want to avoid some negative
feelings.  But i think i have a right and a personal duty to not be happy
go lucky all the time, and well here goes.

I've been thinking a lot lately and doing a lot of soul searching.  I've
had a lot of time to myself, and before i go any further let me say that in
general i am a very quiet and introverted person.  That being said, I think
i've come to the decision that it's time to retire from the rave scene
after a little more than a year.  i already quit that vrave stuff.  Now i
will probly stay on the list and all that, and i still love my records and
all that.  I've just decided that i'm not cut out to be a party person, i
am not the cutthroat synthetic social ant type person that thrives in this
scene.  I'm fed up with tryin to look pretty, bust phat moves, be on neat
drugs, and be friends to everyone even when they're shits.  OK -  i've
ragged on the scene too much here, out of all the ones i been involved in
this one has had the most positive stuff going on in it from my
perspective.  They are a lot of beautiful people out there.  There are also
a lot of shit heads.  It's just not me i guess - i give up. All i wanna do
now is spin my records.  I'm a music person not  a party person is what it
boils down to.  I don't feel accepted by anyone in the scene here in
madison because i haven't been in it since day one or whatever and
therefore I'm not cool.  I'm just gonna quietly practice with my records
for oh.... the rest of my life or so.

I'll be at Elektrik Disko hopefully, cuz i don't wanna miss Woody, Phantom
45, the 12 303's and Laurent.  I'm also gonna go to UFO 3 cuz i know it
will be cool.   I'm not totally out of the action, i mean i will come out
if there is a dj i really respect playing in town, or a decent free event
when i have nothing better to do, or a wondrous celebration of electronic
music like Furthur or something, but i'm just chillin on all that rave
stuff.  Alright this has gotten repetitive so i'm quittin here.  if you
want email me priv with some other opinions.

A couple btw's

Tenny, Jon, stop by for ED plans or email me.

My search for stupid sample lacking ghetto sounding tracks ended yesterday
with the discovery of Neil Landstrum's "Brown by August"

A 100% blatant flame -  Purple Productions is totally completely wack.  I'm
not goin to any party by them even if they were payin me.  A production
company fronted by a high school drop out.  Nice.  A $10 party when they
were shellin out very very very little money to put it on.  I'm sorry i
just know these craz- e'd kidz and they come off extremely weak to me.  Go
rent a movie or something or buy a couple 40's and sit on the porch or
throw a free house party at your place, whatever, just forget the purple
people.



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> 
> Hold up there!!!  Now, isn't the Communique' World Tour hitting here with 
> Elektrik Disko?  So is this sound system the same one that was advertised 
> on the filer?  The "4-D 150,000 watts" system?  Because I thought that 
> this was going to be "debuting" at Elektrik Disko.  If it was, I'd like to 
> hear some more details on how the sound was.  Incidently, did anyone else 
> find it a *TAD* bit confusing on the Elektrik Disko flier where it says 
> that there will be a "Special 'Black Out' Power Hour - Debuting the new 4D 
> Audio Concert Sound System Guaranteed to Pump Twice as much as any thing 
> you've Ever Heard with 150,000 watts...etc"  So does this mean that they 
> will be using this system for only an hour?!  

Naw, this was the system they take on the road. At least that's the way I
understood it.  It was nowhere near the size of the Closer system from new
years' eve (if I remember right) and Elektrik Disko is supposed to be the
"debut" of this new system. So I'm sure it's not the same system that'll
be there at disko.  Anyhow, I figure that this system was maybe about half
of what they'll use for elektrik disko (seein' how elektrik disko will be
in the civic center and you need a huge system to use there...) and it
sounded really nice, better than the other systems used in the same space.

But as for the "black-out power hour" I have no idea what that means
either. Lemme pick up a flyer and read it again (goes to the flyer
stack... ah! here it is!)  Okay, my guess is that the "power hour" will be
around midnight and that's when they'll first turn the system to full
power or whatever amount of power is humanly bearable. I sure hope they
don't use the high-powered stuff for only an hour! but that would just be
silly.



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| Chris Ege                     | God, I love this music.             | 
| crege@piper.hamline.edu       | Isn't it TOO dreamy?                |
| http://www.hamline.edu/~crege |   - Audrey Horne                    |
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| Voicemail: (612) 362-3387                                           |
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Okay, I usually don't show up at the opening time for a party (in fact I
never have) but I'm thinking of atually being at elektrik disko for the
full 12 hours.  Ya see, there's not a single act that I dont want to see!
And I dont really want to show up at 9- nobody'll be there and the early
parts of parties are just boring usually.  

I've been trying to anticipate the set times.  I don't think they'll
divide it evenly- the 303 symphony won't go for a full hour, and the 4x4
tag team probably wont either, right? (btw, the 4x4 sounds pretty damn
cool! 4 djs with 4 tables each tagteaming!) And some of the bigger DJs
whould get more than an hour (laurent Garnier, Derrick Carter, ESP, Mark
Farina) so who really knows how the times will go...  

Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter. All I have to do is talk my friends
into being there for the full 12 hours.

chris e

PS look for a Minneapolis Idea Project Mini-zine to be distributed there!

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| Chris Ege                     | God, I love this music.             | 
| crege@piper.hamline.edu       | Isn't it TOO dreamy?                |
| http://www.hamline.edu/~crege |   - Audrey Horne                    |
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|=====================================================================|
| Minneapolis Idea Project Co-Editor                                  |
| Email: ideaproject@juno.com                                         |
| Voicemail: (612) 362-3387                                           |
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Aug 25 15:55:41 1996
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, heidi jo wrote about her feet and stuff...


i wear a pair of nike basketball shoes, comfy for the sake of cushioning 
and being that you and i share the flat feet situation, also very good 
for that...nike has, over the years, been my best bet for arch support.  
i also like my shoes cuz they have these neat plastic bubbles and shit on 
the side of the soles...but you said they are ugly and looked like moon 
boots so dont get these;P i'd say look into a pair of nice nike running 
shoes, your friendly footlocker employee can tell you which ones are 
focused on overpronators (flat-footed people) like ourselves.

cheers,
dylan

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| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            |
| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            |
| http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/g056/bryn0017/ (midwest jungle page)      |
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Marc Egley wrote:

> scene.  I'm fed up with tryin to look pretty, bust phat moves, be on neat
> drugs, and be friends to everyone even when they're shits.  OK -  i've
> ragged on the scene too much here, out of all the ones i been involved in
> this one has had the most positive stuff going on in it from my
> perspective.  They are a lot of beautiful people out there.  There are also
> a lot of shit heads.  It's just not me i guess - i give up. All i wanna do
> now is spin my records.  I'm a music person not  a party person is what it
> boils down to.  I don't feel accepted by anyone in the scene here in
> madison because i haven't been in it since day one or whatever and
> therefore I'm not cool.  I'm just gonna quietly practice with my records
> for oh.... the rest of my life or so.

Another convert....

Gotcha.

There comes a time in every person's life when they have to think of 
their own personal role in the scene.  Some people want nothing but to be a 
social butterfly and to know everyone at the parties and trainspot the 
DJs and jock the promoters and jock the promoter's boyfriend/girlfriends, 
whatever.  And guess what, if it makes them happy, fuck it!  Let them 
have their fun and you know what, most of these cats that do this are 
REALLY good at what they do, that's just my opinion on that matter

I myself (as if you guys actually care) took a similar path to Brent's a 
while back.  I used to consider DJing an "expensive" hobby but now, fuck, 
it's a lifestyle.  How else could it be?  Any so-called "hobby" that 
requires you to drive numerous hours to spin for 1/8 the time it took you 
to drive there and get paid is more than a hobby.  It ages you.  I bet 
ravers/promoters/etc. are the most physically aged people anywhere for 
what age they actually are (ie. I'm 21 and my body is probably 25, 26+).  
Because of this lack of sleep, just a thought, I digress... =)

But I DO think that each person has to take a step back from what they 
are doing and ask just why they are where they are and why it is they are 
there. (tongue twister)

or something...

Either way, live large and drink beer...

-shawn
misfit



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I know its a while away but I want to put this preflyer out for y'all---


-----------------------------
November 2nd     Indianapolis

D   R   O   P   Z   O   N   E

-----------------------------

The military force of sniper
experts Milky Way and the 
D-Productions recon team bring
you the following aural assault...


* DIESELBOY
	-Pittsburgh's #1 player
	Drum 'n' Bass wise

* CYBERJIVE
	-Hometown housedaddy
	funkin' it up...

* MISFIT
	-Southside Chicago 
	Junglemaster, via W. Laf.

* DJ DUST
	- 1st Midwest appearance
	out of Pittsburgh

* MAD CHILLER
	- Indiana's own Ft. Wayne
	Junglist & all around good
	guy. 

* GENE FARRIS
	- Chicago's House God, via
	Minneapolis, Force Records
	Germany.  

------> main infoline

1 . 3 1 7 . 5 9 2 . 1 3 3 3

this is only a preflyer....

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!!chris e!! wrote:
> 
> Okay, I seem to be in a dancing rut (as opposed to a groove, which is a
> good thing :) )  and i haven't felt good about my dancing since Phoenix.
> Does this happen to anyone else?  Dancing is the main reason I go to
> raves, and lately I've not been enjoying it- I feel like my dancing skills
> have degenerated in the last 3-4 weeks.  I used to dance with such feeling
> but I have trouble doing that now.  How can I regain that great feeling
> that I used to get from dancing?
> 
> It could be the bad-to-mediocre events i've had to deal with lately...
> 
> =======================================================================
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> | Chris Ege                     | God, I love this music.             |
> | crege@piper.hamline.edu       | Isn't it TOO dreamy?                |
> | http://www.hamline.edu/~crege |   - Audrey Horne                    |
> |                               |                                     |
> |=====================================================================|
> | Minneapolis Idea Project Co-Editor                                  |
> | Email: ideaproject@juno.com                                         |
> | Voicemail: (612) 362-3387                                           |
> | WWW: http://members.tripod.com/~pimpskrimp/ideaproject.html         |
> =======================================================================	We've been seriously dancing for over three years.  In fact it's 
the main reason we've kept raving.  We've noticed that at times we have 
felt extremely stuck and sometimes even as if our skills had degenerated, 
as you described.
	We think all dancers go through this stage of feeling stuck.  
It's part of the learning process.  Even though it feels like your 
dancing is at a stand still, you're actually still learning.  Your body 
needs time to practice and polish off the moves you've already learned.  
Often it takes weeks of frustration before a major breakthrough.  
	The only advice we can give is to stick with it.  We've both been 
frustrated for months almost to the point of quitting, only to find 
ourselves suddenly inspired at some party.  When that inspiration finally 
hits after a dry spell, it suddenly seems worth all of the frustration.  
A new burst of energy and creativity takes over your dancing and you will 
feel rejuvenated. 
	So, DON'T GIVE UP!!!  Dedication is what makes good dancers.  You 
have to stick with it no matter how frustrated you become.  Creativity 
can't be forced, it's inspired.  Hope to meet you out on the dancefloor 
someday.  Keep groovin!    

Peace & Love,
Mike and Susan
"Keep the GOOD VIBES flowing!"

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!!chris e!! wrote:
>
> Okay, I seem to be in a dancing rut (as opposed to a groove, which is a
> good thing :) )  and i haven't felt good about my dancing since Phoenix.
> Does this happen to anyone else?  Dancing is the main reason I go to
> raves, and lately I've not been enjoying it- I feel like my dancing skills
> have degenerated in the last 3-4 weeks.  I used to dance with such feeling
> but I have trouble doing that now.  How can I regain that great feeling
> that I used to get from dancing?
>
> It could be the bad-to-mediocre events i've had to deal with lately...
>
> =======================================================================
> |                               |                                     |
> | Chris Ege                     | God, I love this music.             |
> | crege@piper.hamline.edu       | Isn't it TOO dreamy?                |
> | http://www.hamline.edu/~crege |   - Audrey Horne                    |
> |                               |                                     |
> |=====================================================================|
> | Minneapolis Idea Project Co-Editor                                  |
> | Email: ideaproject@juno.com                                         |
> | Voicemail: (612) 362-3387                                           |
> | WWW: http://members.tripod.com/~pimpskrimp/ideaproject.html         |
> =======================================================================    

	We've been seriously dancing for over three years.  In fact it's
the main reason we've kept raving.  We've noticed that at times we have
felt extremely stuck and sometimes even as if our skills had degenerated,
as you described.
        We think all dancers go through this stage of feeling stuck.
It's part of the learning process.  Even though it feels like your
dancing is at a stand still, you're actually still learning.  Your body
needs time to practice and polish off the moves you've already learned.
Often it takes weeks of frustration before a major breakthrough.
        The only advice we can give is to stick with it.  We've both been
frustrated for months almost to the point of quitting, only to find
ourselves suddenly inspired at some party.  When that inspiration finally
hits after a dry spell, it suddenly seems worth all of the frustration.
A new burst of energy and creativity takes over your dancing and you will
feel rejuvenated.
        So, DON'T GIVE UP!!!  Dedication is what makes good dancers.  You
have to stick with it no matter how frustrated you become.  Creativity
can't be forced, it's inspired.  Hope to meet you out on the dancefloor
someday.  Keep groovin!

Peace & Love,
Mike and Susan
"Keep the GOOD VIBES flowing!"

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just thought i would mail to say hi since i'm back at school i'm 
resubscribed.

--
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                                          http://rhf.bradley.edu/~maxter/
 
    



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Sooo, since we all had such a good time at IO3, with our little .net
gatherings and such, I am truly hoping to get an even bigger .net presence
at Ravem.  So kiddies, start slangin ideas so we can make this happen<------HION


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From: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [=!=] Comment about "RAVERS" et al [=!=] READ !!!
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Baden de Bari wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 jdecker@winternet.com wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >maybe its cooler to say you wouldnt call yerself a raver and thats why you
> > >dont?  not trying to tear you down, just going off on what you said.
> > >
> > >--derik
> > >
> > >"enter quote here"
> > 
> > real deal... what its all about fer real, ya know?...vibe, musik, ppl...not
> > fashion, drugs, or money...in my experience, its the ppl who aint caught the
> > love yet that dont wanna be called ravers...in my experience anyhow...
> 
>   hmm, so you are saying its the 'ravers' who haven't got the love yet 
> and don't like to be called ravers - ??hmm
> > 
> 
 ... okay i just spoke to baden and although this whole thread is already 
thoroughly confusing ... he just wanted me to write this to say that what 
he just wrote <above> should be ignored as he read the whole "ravers 
called ravers blah, blah, blah" WRONG!

yeahokaythismakesNOsense,

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From: DJ Steven Kaye <weasel@xanadu.cyborganic.net>
To: !!chris e!! <crege@piper.hamline.edu>
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, !!chris e!! wrote:

> 
> Okay, I seem to be in a dancing rut (as opposed to a groove, which is a
> good thing :) )  and i haven't felt good about my dancing since Phoenix.
> Does this happen to anyone else?  Dancing is the main reason I go to
> raves, and lately I've not been enjoying it- I feel like my dancing skills
> have degenerated in the last 3-4 weeks.  I used to dance with such feeling
> but I have trouble doing that now.  How can I regain that great feeling
> that I used to get from dancing?
> 

Dude... you kids have been watchin' the grind _way_ too much....

An individuals ability or inability to dance should have no effect upon
anyone's raving experience. This is the main reason I left the club
culture and started raving... to get away from the 'gotta be seen', 'gotta
show off my new moves' attitude. 

I 'grew up' speaker hugging (a dance that I have come to the conclusion
that only Milwaukee folk know, after my travels to events accross the
nation) it has no style or grace... it is the body's involuntary reaction
to being completely engulfed in music that is meant to move it. You become
one with the music... one with everyone around you... one with your
repressed self. 

Busting 'moves' are purely meant to get noticed... to gain attention to
the individual making the moves. The music becomes less important than the
moves as the dancer seeks attention and those around him/her watch or
become distracted from thier own dancing. This is why I hate dancing
circles with a passion... If ever a dancing circle formed while I was
spinning, I would take it as an insult because those involved could care
less if it was me or Derick May spinning... they just want to see each
other dance...

Dancing 'steps' are fine... but... they limit your experience... until you
are able to absolutly let go completely and free yourself from your
inhibitions you will not experience the music and it's power to it's
fullest extent. I am talking about influenced experiences as well as sober
experiences... The few of you that know me, know that I am not
straight-edge at all... but it would be a fairly rare occasion to
encounter me on any chemical at any large scale event... I just don't need
it anymore. If the music is of a style that I enjoy, and the DJ
proficient... I will lose my shit, guaranteed, within 3 feet of the bass
bins. 

I really did not mean to offend anyone here... If I have I am very sorry.
If you are the type that busts rad moves, don't stop... just don't let the
quest for moves come before the experience of the music and the magic of
the moment it creates. If you are one who consumes mind altering chemicals
at events... I am not telling you that you are wrong and should stop, not
at all... I'm just suggesting that you examine your use and determine if
they 'add' to the experience... or simply 'are' the experience. Keep
yourself in check. 

that's all...
sk

see ya at UFO3.

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> An individuals ability or inability to dance should have no effect upon
> anyone's raving experience. This is the main reason I left the club
> culture and started raving... to get away from the 'gotta be seen', 'gotta
> show off my new moves' attitude. 

Excuse me? I said "feel good", not "*LOOK* good".  I don't dance to be
seen.  This would be a foolish move on my part, as I dance very poorly.
However, sometimes I feel good about my poor dancing, and sometimes I feel
bad about my poor dancing.  It's like this: sometimes I really get into my
dancing and feel good about it, it's like a complete immersion in the
motion.  Other times it's like I'm just going through the motions and it's
like "blah. i'm danicing. big fuckin' deal."  This isn't a black-or-whit
thing though- sometimes I feel in-between with my dancing. I'm not feeling
great, i'm not feeling bad.  

I know a lot of this has to do with the event- the vibe and the people and
all of it.  But I think there's also part of it that I can improve by
improving my dancing. If you think his makes me be an "MTV's Grind"
dancer, that's your perogative. I don't need to have the approval of
everyone on this list. 

> I really did not mean to offend anyone here... If I have I am very sorry.
> If you are the type that busts rad moves, don't stop... just don't let the
> quest for moves come before the experience of the music and the magic of
> the moment it creates. If you are one who consumes mind altering chemicals
> at events... I am not telling you that you are wrong and should stop, not
> at all... I'm just suggesting that you examine your use and determine if
> they 'add' to the experience... or simply 'are' the experience. Keep
> yourself in check. 

I'm only taking offense at your mis-interpretation of my post.  I'm not
asking people "how can I bust the phat movez?" I'm asking why I feel bad
about the way I dance sometimes.  I agree with some of the points you
made. But I do have friends who worry about their moves- one of them is a
dance major.  She's not doing moves toprove anything to anyone but herself.
You got a problem wit' dat? 

Personally, i could give a flying fuck how other people think of my
dancing.  But when I'm thinking to myself "god, i'm dancing horribly
tonight" it bothers me.  I used to feel so good about myself and my
dancing, and lately I've just felt bad.


chris e (the person that's never watched 'the grind' and never will)

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From: Shawn Devries <djmisfit@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, DJ Steven Kaye wrote:

> Dude... you kids have been watchin' the grind _way_ too much....

thank you....I didn't how how to reply to that post.  I love the people 
at raves that grab their hats and have dance competetitions against each 
other.  Makes the world go round...  doh!  Not really...

> An individuals ability or inability to dance should have no effect upon
> anyone's raving experience. This is the main reason I left the club
> culture and started raving... to get away from the 'gotta be seen', 'gotta
> show off my new moves' attitude. 

Yo!  I got mad moves, kid!  Check this out!  <misfit throws down...woo!>

> I 'grew up' speaker hugging (a dance that I have come to the conclusion
> that only Milwaukee folk know, after my travels to events accross the
> nation) it has no style or grace... it is the body's involuntary reaction
> to being completely engulfed in music that is meant to move it. You become
> one with the music... one with everyone around you... one with your
> repressed self. 

Nope...they used to do it all the time in Chicago and in Minneapolis 
too.  But Milwaukee, being the land of beer, cheese and hardcore, could 
be considered the nationwide center for Speaker Huggers (or NCSH)...

That's from the old school!  The big rollin' E-love pits in front of the 
speakers where all the kids fucked up on their rolls would have these 
group hug/etc./etc. sessions.  If you were at Earth, you know what I 
mean...I'm an old fogie...


yay for the speaker huggers...

but I'm all up on the lighta crew now, SK...big up!

-shawn
misfit


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>> I 'grew up' speaker hugging (a dance that I have come to the conclusion
>> that only Milwaukee folk know, after my travels to events accross the
>> nation) it has no style or grace... it is the body's involuntary reaction
>> to being completely engulfed in music that is meant to move it. You become
>> one with the music... one with everyone around you... one with your
>> repressed self.
>
>Nope...they used to do it all the time in Chicago and in Minneapolis
>too.  But Milwaukee, being the land of beer, cheese and hardcore, could
>be considered the nationwide center for Speaker Huggers (or NCSH)...
>

also it is big in LA only out there they call it 'speaker tweaking' and it
has gotten so bad that a lot of sound complanies now put fences up a few
feet in front of the speakers because while the mad gabber was playin the
kids would be speaker tweakin so hard they would sometimes knock the stacks
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>Busting 'moves' are purely meant to get noticed... to gain attention to
>the individual making the moves. The music becomes less important than the
>moves as the dancer seeks attention and those around him/her watch or
>become distracted from thier own dancing. This is why I hate dancing
>circles with a passion... If ever a dancing circle formed while I was
>spinning, I would take it as an insult because those involved could care
>less if it was me or Derick May spinning... they just want to see each
>other dance...
>
>Dancing 'steps' are fine... but... they limit your experience... until you
>are able to absolutly let go completely and free yourself from your
>inhibitions you will not experience the music and it's power to it's
>fullest extent. I am talking about influenced experiences as well as sober
>experiences... The few of you that know me, know that I am not
>straight-edge at all... but it would be a fairly rare occasion to
>encounter me on any chemical at any large scale event... I just don't need
>it anymore. If the music is of a style that I enjoy, and the DJ
>proficient... I will lose my shit, guaranteed, within 3 feet of the bass
>bins. 

But the weird thing is that people who don't "bust moves" typically get
noticed before someone who is dancing a particular style, etc.

And as for dancing in a style, it's just as expressive as this free-form
mania you've described, it's just a bit more disciplined and coordinated.
People who adhere to dancing styles fall into 2 groups -> a> those that
dance extremely well and re-develop a style to their own content and
creation and b> those that dance a style to blend in.

I  know quite a few people who bust moves and some of it is for being
noticed but alot of it is just as expressive as your thing.  There is a
certain grace and intelligence involved in taking a particular dance style
and molding it and expanding it - without molesting or perverting it's
aesthetic appeal.  I think the same expressive rules apply to how that style
is changed and altered.

Also, most really good dancers I know are the most vibe orientated creatures
on the face of the world.  I hear more smack come out of people who can't
dance's mouths than I do those that can dance and dance extremely well.

As for Chris Ege's rut, I was at the same spot cause I've always been really
insecure about my dancing - until this last month.  I had an awesome
breakthrough and with the help of some nice people have been able to get
over that insecurity.  It happens once in awhile, off and on, but for the
last few parties it's been less of a hassle.

earache

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without going into all the things i've heard about the promoter for this
party, let me just say that if you able to go to one of the other big
parties happening this weekend, you should seriously consider that option.
many people here in madison have bad things to say about this guy. at first
i too was excited about this party, but now i'm hoping i can make it up to
minneapolis for the weekend.

-kc


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i think sometimes it helps to just take a break from dancing for awhile.
sometimes we pick up bad habits in our dance moves. by not dancing for a
couple weeks, it's easier to forget those bad habits and persue the good
ones, the ones. of course, chris, this probably isn't going to help you
considering there's electrik disco this weekend and ufo (which you had
better come down for) next weekend. but since these will both be awesome
parties, maybe you should heightening the experience a little, if you're
into that. i have a feeling that would bring you out of your rut, and then
some. :)

-kc


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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, DJ Steven Kaye wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, !!chris e!! wrote:
> 
> I 'grew up' speaker hugging (a dance that I have come to the conclusion
> that only Milwaukee folk know, after my travels to events accross the
> nation) it has no style or grace... it is the body's involuntary reaction
> to being completely engulfed in music that is meant to move it. You become
> one with the music... one with everyone around you... one with your
> repressed self. 

Uhhh, there's plenty of speaker huggin going on in Detroit, windsor, Dayton,
Columbus, etc. I see it all the time and just shake my head. The sad
thing is that most peopl gripping a speaker aren't wearing ear plugs.
Coming from a hearing research lab...oh, I won't bother preaching :)

grandpa Ed/old-timer Cuisinart


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> Date:          Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:56:59 -0500 (CDT)
> From:          "Daniel K. Taylor" <tech135@Menudo.UH.EDU>
> Subject:       Re: footgear
> To:            txraves@io.com
> Cc:            mw-raves@hyperreal.com

> 
>  I like soft bouncy shoes for dancing. Running shoes are good for
> this, but if you make lots of side to side moves or shuffle, then
> you might want to get skate shoes like Enties.
    But are Etnies soft and bouncy?  My Vans and the pair of Airwalks 
(skate shoes) I used to wear both had pretty hard soles in comparison 
to runing shoes.  If you look around, you can find running shoes that are 
desinged to have more lateral support for da side2side movements. 


Alex

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> Date:          Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:35:43 -0500
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> From:          Marc Egley <maegley@students.wisc.edu>
> Subject:       early retirement

> A 100% blatant flame -  Purple Productions is totally completely
> wack.  I'm not goin to any party by them even if they were payin me.
>  A production company fronted by a high school drop out.  Nice.  A
> $10 party when they were shellin out very very very little money to
> put it on.  I'm sorry i just know these craz- e'd kidz and they come
> off extremely weak to me.  Go rent a movie or something or buy a
> couple 40's and sit on the porch or throw a free house party at your
> place, whatever, just forget the purple people.
   Hmmm...I don't know anything about Purple other than what is 
stated above.  Would anybody like to further inform me?  Who's behind 
Purple?  What other parties have they thrown?  Anybody have any other 
experiences with them?

Alex


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all i've got to say about this event is:

#1)  remember stop drop and roll?  did you waste $15 on that like me after it
got busted 30 mins into adeptus' set?

#2)  the first one got busted.

#3)  general shadiness.

and the most important one i think:

#4)   trust your gut feelings.


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>> Date:          Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:35:43 -0500
>> To:            mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
>> From:          Marc Egley <maegley@students.wisc.edu>
>> Subject:       early retirement
>
>> A 100% blatant flame -  Purple Productions is totally completely
>> wack.  I'm not goin to any party by them even if they were payin me.
>>  A production company fronted by a high school drop out.  Nice.  A
>> $10 party when they were shellin out very very very little money to
>> put it on.  I'm sorry i just know these craz- e'd kidz and they come
>> off extremely weak to me.  Go rent a movie or something or buy a
>> couple 40's and sit on the porch or throw a free house party at your
>> place, whatever, just forget the purple people.
>   Hmmm...I don't know anything about Purple other than what is
>stated above.  Would anybody like to further inform me?  Who's behind
>Purple?  What other parties have they thrown?  Anybody have any other
>experiences with them?
>
>Alex


The only other party they've thrown is vortex.  Umm Marc, this party put
them in the red,and I can't really say how much, but let's just say quite a
bit.  My experience's haven't been bad, I didn't think $10 was too much,
but obviously he did.  It was in a really nice place, the djs were ok (DJ
Toni, David Hollands, Lego, Anonymous, Nimh, Nole-e, and Chris).  Umm, Not
many parties are less than $10 either, xcept for the weekly star children
event.  So, whatever....



                                -Mark Petersen
                                    petersenm@supranet.com



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>
>without going into all the things i've heard about the promoter for this
>party, let me just say that if you able to go to one of the other big
>parties happening this weekend, you should seriously consider that option.
>many people here in madison have bad things to say about this guy. at first
>i too was excited about this party, but now i'm hoping i can make it up to
>minneapolis for the weekend.
>

I'd love t know what's so bad about these guys.. They seem fine to me.
They're flying us and many others from Los Angeles and places all around to
play at this party.. Expect it to be awesome, cos we're all coming with our
best attitudes.

peace


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Forwarded message:
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"When I watch TV and see all those starving children all over
    the world, it makes me want to cry. I mean, I'd like to be as
    thin as that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff."
					Mariah Carey

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So, who ya gonna vote for?


- stevenJ

________________________________________________
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   Sunday August 25 7:12 PM EDT 
   
Dole Brands Drugs Moral Terrorism, Vows War

   PALOS PARK, Il. (Reuter) - Campaigning within shouting distance of
   Chicago on the eve of the Democratic convention, Republican
   presidential candidate Bob Dole Sunday vowed an all-out war on illegal
   drugs which he decried as the ``moral equivalent'' of terrorism.

                                [...]   
   
   He said that if elected he would call on his defense secretary and
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   including contingency plans for interdiction along the southern U.S.
   border.
   
   ``Now, one would hope that such interdiction by U.S. military forces
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   deterrent to those who would challenge us in a war, so will the
   knowledge that all the capabilities -- I said all the capabilities --
   of our federal government will be used to reduce the flow of drugs
   across our border if necessary,''he said.
   
   In an oblique reference to recent reports that some White House
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   ``In the Dole administration we're going to return to what works -- a
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   Zero tolerance for drug sumugglers, zero tolerance for drug pushers.
   Zero tolerance for drugs in the workplace and zero tolerance for
   illegal drugs period. Zero. Zero. Zero.''
   
     _________________________________________________________________




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>Sooo, since we all had such a good time at IO3, with our little .net
>gatherings and such, I am truly hoping to get an even bigger .net presence
>at Ravem.  So kiddies, start slangin ideas so we can make this
happen<------HION

whelp...i think we should do several small netmeets and have a main big one
on saturday. ..saturday aas the sun sets and it just gets goin inta the
nite, ya know?...multiple netmeets i think would werk better cuz not
evewryones gonna be there early and stay throught the whole thang...that
way, as many ppl could meet as many other ppl as possible...pickin up what
im puttin down?... :)

*hugs*

JAWSH!

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>without going into all the things i've heard about the promoter for this
>party, let me just say that if you able to go to one of the other big
>parties happening this weekend, you should seriously consider that option.
>many people here in madison have bad things to say about this guy. at first
>i too was excited about this party, but now i'm hoping i can make it up to
>minneapolis for the weekend.
>
>-kc

without gettin inta a mud slingin fest, would you care to elaborate?...

*hugs*

JAWSH!



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Hi all!  I consider myself a speaker dancer, there are lots of us in Detroit.   
I dance there because I love the feel of the music against my body and face,    
also because I close my eyes when I dance and I don't want to have to worry     
about getting whacked in the face by someone really gettin' off in front of me  
(I've seen it a couple of times, one girl got her nose busted, ouch!).          

I prefer to use footwear that allows me to move my feet along the dance surface 
without offering resistance.  I've had surgury on both of my knees so I can't   
jump up and down, I mostly just move my hips and my feet slide a little, if I   
get resistance from the floor, sometimes my knees dislocate (I bet some of you  
winced there, ha ha).  Anyway, so I wear boots - like cowboy boots, they're all 
black with chain-type adornments with indian beads.  I put extra pads in them   
and they work just fine for me.                                                 

Bu bye now!                                                                     

Peace!                                                                          
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>Dude... you kids have been watchin' the grind _way_ too much....

HOLD UP!...

>An individuals ability or inability to dance should have no effect upon
>anyone's raving experience. This is the main reason I left the club
>culture and started raving... to get away from the 'gotta be seen', 'gotta
>show off my new moves' attitude. 

obviously you misread chris e's post...cuz trust me, hes not concerned with
'bein seen' in the least...i mean, yeah...its nice to look good dancin...but
thats not a priority, i assure you...

>I 'grew up' speaker hugging (a dance that I have come to the conclusion
>that only Milwaukee folk know, after my travels to events accross the
>nation) it has no style or grace...

thast merely an opinion, and you havent been to minneapolis enuff if youve
only seen speakr huggin in milwaukee...

>Busting 'moves' are purely meant to get noticed... to gain attention to
>the individual making the moves.

WRONG...pardon me fer soundin like a pompous asshole...but yoouve really
taken the whole thread this was spawned from and rewound it and bent it and
rad into it a buncha shit that was just NEVER there...were not even
discussing what others think of ours or anyone elsesd dancing...were
discussing feelin the love fer dance and catchin the groove again...

>The music becomes less important than the
>moves as the dancer seeks attention and those around him/her watch or
>become distracted from thier own dancing. This is why I hate dancing
>circles with a passion... If ever a dancing circle formed while I was
>spinning, I would take it as an insult because those involved could care
>less if it was me or Derick May spinning... they just want to see each
>other dance...

whatev.

>Dancing 'steps' are fine... but... they limit your experience... until you
>are able to absolutly let go completely and free yourself from your
>inhibitions you will not experience the music and it's power to it's
>fullest extent. I am talking about influenced experiences as well as sober
>experiences... The few of you that know me, know that I am not
>straight-edge at all... but it would be a fairly rare occasion to
>encounter me on any chemical at any large scale event... I just don't need
>it anymore. If the music is of a style that I enjoy, and the DJ
>proficient... I will lose my shit, guaranteed, within 3 feet of the bass
>bins. 

yay.

>I really did not mean to offend anyone here... If I have I am very sorry.
>If you are the type that busts rad moves, don't stop... just don't let the
>quest for moves come before the experience of the music and the magic of
>the moment it creates. If you are one who consumes mind altering chemicals
>at events... I am not telling you that you are wrong and should stop, not
>at all... I'm just suggesting that you examine your use and determine if
>they 'add' to the experience... or simply 'are' the experience. Keep
>yourself in check. 
>
>that's all...
>sk


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> Date:          Fri, 23 Aug 1996 05:55:05 -0400
> From:          syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
> To:            mw-raves@hyperreal.com
> Subject:       re: e
> Reply-to:      syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)

> ================================================================= >I
> know that vitamin C can set off an acid trip...like if you drink
> lots >of orange juice before (or during) tripping, it can make the
> experience >more intense.... > >is there anything like that for E? 
> Maybe some of that brain vitamin >like Ginko Bovin (sp?) maybe just
> lots of Popeye's Spinich:)
> 
> if your roll doesn't kick in, try finding a friend to share a bowl
> with. i've been told this always does the trick.
> 
> i'm going out now...more later. :)
> 
> -kc
> ==================================================================
  I've heard that if you are in a bad mindset during a roll, you can 
improve it with nitrous oxide.  Sounds like it would work, although 
you gotta be carefull with nitrous as it's yet another drug that can 
fuck you up.
Alex

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ive been working on this party with Mike for over 5 months now and even i 
have some problems with him and his morals but i have put my heart and soul 
into this event and i was the one who booked most of the djs and i beleive 
we should put everything a side and have a good time beacause this party is 
is going to go off 
we have made sure that this is a bust free event....we have all the permits 
and will have lawyers on sight to take care of the police if they even try 
to hasstle us....and all acts are 100% confirmed that meens every one will 
be there including the people who are spinning at bassrush earlier in the 
weekend
i know ill be there having a good time and i hope to see alot of you people 
there.....and if your going to elektric disco or something else i hope you 
have a good time to...because thats what this scene is about
if anyone has any comments or questions about Rave'em and Bail-e just email 
them to me and i will get back to you asap 


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A couple of months ago, while waiting around for our ride to Harthrob (but 
we won't go into that... I like Traxx, OK?) Alex and I met this guy who 
claimed to be the older brother of a high-school dropout rave promoter named 
Simeon.  He said that the kid was underage, so he had to work through older 
people to get spaces, licences, etc., but that he was the force behind 
Vortex and then Stop Drop and Roll as well.  Is there any truth to this?  We 
kind of assumed that the guy was drunk and full of shit, but after John's 
post, doubt creeps into our minds:  is Simeon the dropout?  Anyone who knows 
a kid by that name or what's going on, plz post. 

Oh yeah, here's my dancing $.02:  For me, dancing well feels fun.  Whoever 
wants to dance so it looks good to other people- cool! As an "other people," 
I only stand to benefit from that.  However, you'll probably have more fun 
if you just dance for yourself.  The more into the music and uninhibited you 
are, the more fun it can be, but we've said that before, so never mind.  In 
my opinion, everyone can just do what they like and have fun, as long as 
they still send a good vibe and don't get all arrogant or elitist.

I heard that Mike Haight (sp?) of Tribal Brothers said something like "I'm 
not in it for the scene or the people... only to make money."  Is this true? 
 Even if it is, I'll still prolly try to go to R&B-e II just because it's 
gonna be so got dam cool.  Guilty pleasure.

Peace out


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>ive been working on this party with Mike for over 5 months now and even i
>have some problems with him and his morals but i have put my heart and soul
>into this event and i was the one who booked most of the djs and i beleive
>we should put everything a side and have a good time beacause this party is
>is going to go off
>we have made sure that this is a bust free event....we have all the permits
>and will have lawyers on sight to take care of the police if they even try
>to hasstle us....and all acts are 100% confirmed that meens every one will


lawyers can do absolutely nothing if the police want to close the party
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> Oh yeah, here's my dancing $.02:  For me, dancing well feels fun.  Whoever 
> wants to dance so it looks good to other people- cool! As an "other people," 
> I only stand to benefit from that.  However, you'll probably have more fun 
> if you just dance for yourself.  The more into the music and uninhibited you 
> are, the more fun it can be, but we've said that before, so never mind.  In 
> my opinion, everyone can just do what they like and have fun, as long as 
> they still send a good vibe and don't get all arrogant or elitist.

Agreed! When I get tired, I love to sit around and  watch some amazing
dancers! Trying to "bust" the same moves as other people is lame- I like
to see some innovation in peoples' dancing.  I do dance myself but a lot
of the time I get really tired out from dancing and it's cool to just sit
against the wall regaining my energy and watching people do mad shit that
I know I could never get my body to do.  Some people are so in tune to the
music, it's like they're actually combining themselves with the music. Its
like their movements are an extension of the song. That's the kind of
people I like to watch.

I agree with Mr. Kaye that dancing circles suck.  They're just hogging the
space that other people could be using to dance, and like Steve said- the
people in the circles usually could give a shit who's on the tables.
That's not what it's about.  But i'm sure everyone here knows that...

> I heard that Mike Haight (sp?) of Tribal Brothers said something like "I'm 
> not in it for the scene or the people... only to make money."  Is this true? 
>  Even if it is, I'll still prolly try to go to R&B-e II just because it's 
> gonna be so got dam cool.  Guilty pleasure.

I don't know anything about the quote, but if it's accurate, that really
says something about Mr. Haight's intelligence.  I seriously doubt that
rave'em and Bail-e 2 will make any money with the lineup it has.  Frankie
Bones, Terry Mullan, Freaky Chakra, Single Cell Orchestra- they all have
to be damn expensive to book!  Not to mention the 90 or so other DJs and
live acts that will be costing a pretty penny as well... So from a
straight promotional standpoint, Mike will be losing money (or his backer
will be losing money)  But I bet someone will be making up that loss in
drug sales...

I shouldn't talk though. I don't know anyone associated with the tribal
brothers, and all my thoughts on losing money and selling drugs are mere
speculation (I guess that's a disclaimer)

another thought- Since Tribal Brothers seems to have a bad reputation
around madison, it seems like a lot of the locals are planning on heading
to Elektrik Disko.  That's another source of money loss, dontcha think?

Anyhow, Raveem and Bail-E 2 sounds like a great event! I'd be there if I
didn't have to get ready to move out a day later... (plus I want to go to
elektrik disko!)

chris e

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Word around the campfire is that there's people making the voyage to
Minneapolis this saturday for elektrik disko.  If anyone on this list is
coming up- please drop me a line!  I'd like to hook up with some
listmembers that I haven't got to meet yet. I'd probably even be willing
to show you around minnepolis if you come early in the day :)

Another thing- if you get a copy of Minneapolis Idea Project at Elektrik
Disko, It'll be from me. (or josh if he doesn't go to R&B2)  I won't be
letting anyone else hand them out because I want people to know who we
are- put faces with the names.  Just put a kind of a personal touch on it.
So look for the kid with the little zines... it's me! (that's assuming
josh will be out of town... If he for some reason decides to stay, then
he'll be handing 'em out there too)

chris e

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I've noticed that its that time of year again-schools in.  I'm noticing some
names that I havent seen in a while-so welcome back to the family and hope
you had a great summer-this fall gonna rock.  UFO3 is the start.  See ya all
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>another thought- Since Tribal Brothers seems to have a bad reputation
>around madison, it seems like a lot of the locals are planning on heading
>to Elektrik Disko.  That's another source of money loss, dontcha think?

at 28 bucks a ticket I don't think so...

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a freind of mine and I are heading over to Windsor to hang at The Loop next
sunday. If there are any freindly Canadians or Detroiters that know where it is
from (directs from the tunnel please) could you mail them my way.
thanks
*loud and clear*
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As far as footgear goes the most cushiony, comfortable, shoes that I have
ever worn are Nike airs with the FULL air sole (that goes through the whole
shoe bottom.) My opinion that the full Nike airs are the best, was formed
after years of experience with various types of athletic shoes by brands
including Reebok, Adidas, Nike, Airwalk, Converse, and Vans. I participate in
a wide array of sports regularly and the Nikes were the most comfortable to
begin with and their cushioning hasn't worn out after 2 years of use. Nikes
with full air soles are very expensive though starting at over $100.

What gets me hyped to dance usually involves a song or mix that I have not
heard before. Sven Vath got me doing moves I never imagined before and the
first time I heard Da Funk I exploded with motion. A good party vibe goes a
long way, too. It also helps to be well rested, well fed and hydrated.

I have found that Ginseng and Ma Huang can make e and acid seem twice as
strong and can create mind expanding experiences by themselves, as well. 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Aug 26 19:54:14 1996
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i just got a new pair of nike air skateboarding shoes,  i have to say they
are the most comfortable shoes ive ever owned in my whole freeky deeky life.
 whoa.


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i have a friend that might need a ride.  hes in normal (ISU)  anyone from
that area???  ok bye.

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To anyone who is planning on attending this event-we are urging you to
buy tickets ahead of time.  No tickets will be sold at the door!  Most
ticket outlets still have tickets.  On Saturday August 31  the most
tickets will be at Modern Music in Baltimore (410) 675-2172.  If
directions have been posted over these lists - don't use them to just show
up because you will more than likely not get in.  Go to Modern Music and
buy your tickets!!!

There are only 5 more days till Summer Rush so stop procrastinating.

and of course i'll see you all there.

angela
star

bassrush  info line: (410) 788-5543


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I also have a friend that needs a ride.  He is in Madison, so anyone coming 
from there, or going through there would be a saint to pick him up.

If this will work for ya, send me some e-mail.

Thanks,
Jason




From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Aug 26 20:39:27 1996
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blah blah blah...........what war on drugs? Reagan's? Bush's? HA!

Pete

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Aug 26 20:50:11 1996
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At 02:02 PM 8/26/96 -0500, you wrote:
>A couple of months ago, while waiting around for our ride to Harthrob (but 
>we won't go into that... I like Traxx, OK?) Alex and I met this guy who 
>claimed to be the older brother of a high-school dropout rave promoter named 
>Simeon.  He said that the kid was underage, so he had to work through older 
>people to get spaces, licences, etc., but that he was the force behind 
>Vortex and then Stop Drop and Roll as well.  Is there any truth to this?  We 
>kind of assumed that the guy was drunk and full of shit, but after John's 
>post, doubt creeps into our minds:  is Simeon the dropout?  Anyone who knows 
>a kid by that name or what's going on, plz post. 

As far as I know, Tribal Bros was behind both those parties, and Simeon may
be with them, but Mike seems to be the main promoter.  I dunno much more
than that, but that everyone around here (madison) seems to dislike them,
and although I've heard lots of bad things, nothing is first hand, and I
don't like to form opinions based on second-hand info.   Peace

		-Mark


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my new email addresses are as follows:

circle_k@wsunix.wsu.edu
and/or
thelland@wsu.edu

sorry for the inconvenience....

PLUR,
Tim


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hi i am writing this for someone not subbed to mw-raves...

is anyone from kentucky coming up to chicago or madison this weekend?

friday night there are 3 events in chicago:
righteous w/ maxamillion, paul johnson, traxx, jiminy cricket, casper, zvi, etc
supernova w/ dj ss + mc warren g (uk), clarkee (uk), mikey b (uk), efex, 
	     phantom 45, etc
juice w/ laurent garnier

and then there is also rave em and bail-e 2 in madison the whole weekend
with a huge huge line up....i am sure every1 has seen the flyers..

anyways if anyone from kentucky is coming up and has space, can
you please email cappie at  caparvz1@homer.louisville.edu

thanks
julian

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greetings once again.

the first issue of : THE . MINNEAPOLIS . !DEA . PROJECT : megazine should
be out and about at the minneapolis stop for the communique world tour,
'elektrik disko' (08.31.96).

this will hold true providing all things go smoothly and no glitches pop
up to hinder this from taking place.

: D I S C L A I M E R :
issue one is really more along the lines of issue 0.5 as opposed to issue
1.0. its more of an introductory kind of deal purposed to set the tone,
mood, and mindset of : THE . MINNEAPOLIS . !DEA . PROJECT :, rather than
being a straight out debut issue.  we plan to devote great amounts of
time and talent and love to the first real issue.  we just feel that
'elektrik disko' being the "end of summer super slam blowout" that it is,
that we should introduce ourselves there.  

there is also a possibility you may see a copy or three of issue o.5 in
madison the same weekend floating around 'rave em n baile II'.  but
definite plans and decisions regarding this are still pending.

: O T H E R . N E W S :
our home on the internet is under renovation, so if you decide to drop
by, keep this in mind.  were going for a cleaner, slicker, more stylish
look.  and beauty is pain.

*peace*love*beautiful ideas*


: T H E . M I N N E A P O L I S . ! D E A . P R O J E C T :
formulation of better ideas for
                         the formulation of a better scene
ideaproject@juno.com
612 : 362 : 3387

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 04:57:54 -0500
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For those of ya who are interested in hearing about the MC-303:

DAMN, THESE THINGS ARE COOL!!!!!!!  =)

Welp, I did it... I finally parted with my beautiful Paul Reed Smith
guitar, traded it in for some more synth gear... got about an even trade,
so that was nice.

I walked into my pad many hours ago carrying a brand new Roland MC-303
Groovebox, one of the first ones to hit the Chicago area.  (Or so the dude
at Guitar Center told me anyhow... I guess today was the first shipment of
them into this area, unless he was full of shit.)  I've been glued to it
for hours.  I finally peeled my headphones off my ears about 10 minutes
ago...

       **** WOW!!!! ****

Without getting into the classic "analog vs. digital" argument, this thing
kicks some sirius ass.  The sounds are amazing... granted, it's not analog,
but this does the trick, it still sounds, uh, phat.  The low boost knob
helps a lot.  It's very very live-performance-friendly -- can automatically
blend between pattens without losing beat, individual part muting (quite
useful for techno!), tweak knobs, arpeggiator, perfect.  Filter sweeps with
the knob sound really good, none of the snap crackle pop that sometimes
comes from digital effects.   I didn't even hook it up to my keyboard and
MIDI controller yet, there are enough preset patterns in there to keep a
person busy for months.  I was doing some mixing between the MC-303, a CD
player, an E-mu UltraProteus, a Roland JV-30, and a DigiTech Vocalist run
through a DigiTech TSR-24 fx processor... <whistle>, with the punch of this
MC-303 I'm finally satisfied... at long last I can complete and record the
first set of Rainbow Freq! interdimensional sonic transmissions.  ;)

Synth people, check this Groovebox puppy out!!  This thing is *definitely*
gonna be a very hot item for at least the next year, probably longer.

(Didja know Roland named these Grooveboxes after the Department of
Interdimensional Groov?  Sure... yeah, that's the ticket...)  ;>

I'm off to change my boxers now... I think I had an accident about 5
minutes after I plugged it in and realized just how much I can do with this
thing.


       Freq'in Out,
        (as usual)

          Randy
           a d
            n
           a d
          Randy

Rainbow Freq!
osiris7@cris.com
======= ======= =======
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mechanical object to realize that you are in a hurry.
======= ======= =======

[Joe, you called this one a mile away!  Bring me some food and water, man,
I'm not leaving this chair for at least a week.  If you haven't heard from
me in 7 days, call for help...]



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This dude knows wuzzup.

         =),

        Randy
         a d
          n
         a d
        Randy


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_SUBJECTS_


i went to an interesting goa party the other nite, and got into this
converstaion about the music with my frind jon, who goes to rainbow
gatherings a lot. he was telling me about the gatherings, and how they
have been bringing sound systems to teh parking lots the last few times
or so. then i said that ravers and teh rainbow people must totally get
along and such things to which he said yes, then also said that rainbow
gatherings occur without electic anything, just accustical instruments,
as a means of 'returning to mother earth'. to that i said, well, this
aspect of tecnology, this music is totally symbiotic with the earth...
to which he said a lot of 'rainbows' would disagree, cuz all teh sounds
are so unnatural, all synthetic, and so on... at this point i let the
conversation drop and we said goodbie with a cheerful "see ya at burning
man!" but later i pondered teh question at hand - symbiosis - and my
conclusions came out something like this:
there is nothing inherently wrong with tecnology, nor does tecnology have
to be at dissonance with the earth. it is the use of tecnology, and teh
purposes for which it is used that determines its dissonant or resonant
quality with regards to teh earth.
        the sounds, tho 'synthetic', are merely pulsations of energy
along the medium, which is air, that have a particular arrangement of
harmonics which make each sound unique. thus teh conclusion that a sound
is unnatural is drawn by looking at how teh sound was created, by a
natural or unnatural means.
        but why/ when would tecnology be looked at as unnatural? would
acoustic drums be considered unnatural? probably not... but yet one can't
say they are not a peice of tecnology, tho quite primitive to our
standards, still tecnology.
        so what am i ranting about? i feel that tecnology often gets a
bum rap for all teh dissonance that is occuring on our planet today, and
i feel that as always, the problem lies within ourselves, *we* are at
dissonance with the earth, not our tecnology, for all tecnology is of the
earth to begin with. it is teh way *we* twist and bend the earth to our
desires that brings us out of symbiosis. just as it is the way we twist
and bend teh earth that can bring us back into symbiosis, such as drums,
speakers, amps and turntables...

        what if humans learned to live with tecnology that is symbiotic
to the earth and ourselves? the possibilities are endless. but first we
had to extract out of the earth all the tecnological wizardry, then some
time in the future perhaps, humans learn exactly to what divine purposes
this tecnology can be used...

        this has been a random voyage thru some of my thoughts.
thank you for listening:)
                        *ahau*

-tom



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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Professor Earache wrote:

> >another thought- Since Tribal Brothers seems to have a bad reputation
> >around madison, it seems like a lot of the locals are planning on heading
> >to Elektrik Disko.  That's another source of money loss, dontcha think?
> 
> at 28 bucks a ticket I don't think so...
> 
$20 actually




> earache
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> "When I watch TV and see all those starving children all over
>     the world, it makes me want to cry. I mean, I'd like to be as
>     thin as that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff."
> 					Mariah Carey

Now THAT is fucked up!

Oh, and by the way, I hope Ol Dirty Bastard gave her the Ol' Dirty...

-shawn
misfit


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ok all u gearkids, question: how much IS the MC-303? the reson i ask is 
becuase i've always checked the sheboygan classifieds just in case some 
guy had something of interest equipment wise sitting in his attic and 
wanted to get rid of it- i sw an MC-303 in there, and it was 1000$(i 
think?) or something like that...of course at first glance i missed a 
zero and the MC part so i nearly spit out my cereal;) not that i'm 
relally looking to get one of these, i was just ciurious if this guy was 
trying to take advantage of some unsuspecting sheboyganite here.

cheers,
dylan

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:19:28 -0400
From: "Hennigar, Sean" <hennigar@on.bell.ca>
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To: Amul Patel <agpatel@acme.csusb.edu>
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Amul Patel wrote:
> 
> Also Audience participation has intrigued me.. There is a cybertech band
> that used a large inflatable ball with sensors attached, so as the ball
> bounced off the hands of the audience the images changed (i'm not sure as
> to its influence over the music)...
> 
That's a really cool idea - any idea who exactly did it and if they're
still doing it?  Another interesting one would be to tie the music to
the energy of the crowd.  Suppose you could write a program that
measures the general level of noise generated by the crowd and plays
pre-programmed music samples with varying frequency to match the crowd's
energy level.  Aside from the somewhat repulsive thought of having a
computer programmed set at a rave (although it is kind of cool in a
cyberpunk sort of way), imagine the potential.  If the samples were
varied enough and the algorithms to piece them together were good
enough, you'd basically be giving the crowd a tool to compose their own
music in real time.  Any decent DJ will interact with the crowd and
decide what tracks to play based on where the crowd's at - that's
nothing new.  This is something different though - the crowd itself
becomes the artist/DJ.  Imagine recording a rave like this - you could
remember how good the party was by the quality of tracks the crowd
generated.  The programming artist would be recognized by the character
of their samples and the algorithms they use - they would draw crowds at
parties based on this.

> Please Feel free and send me your thoughts on the matter. I've long
> thought about this. Yet I suspected I was alone... Thank God I'm NOT..
> 
I think there's a lot of people thinking along these lines but the
discussion level isn't that high yet.  Keep posting and hopefully we'll
draw more people in.


-- 
Sean Hennigar                    email: hennigar@on.bell.ca
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>without gettin inta a mud slingin fest, would you care to elaborate?...
>
>*hugs*
>
>JAWSH!

it seems that the promoter behind the party is more interested in your money
than in you personally. i'm sure he still wants you to have a good time, but
this doesn't seem to be his reason for throwing the party.

the question for me is whether i want to support someone who is throwing a
party for this reason. while i don't want to support him, i've come to see
over the past few days that many of the people that are part of this party,
both on the promotion end and the talent end, are doing things with a better
attitude. this plus the fact that i love partying under the stars has made
me reconsider going to this party.

now, if someone from kentucky can bring cappie up with them to this thing,
my mind will be made up. that girl just can't help but give out good vibes. :)

-kc


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Hay MW kids...

Two inquiries:

1.  does anyone have contact info for Jeff (Dj Tron), preferably an e-mail 
    address, but if not, phone/postal info.

2.  does anyone know if the DBN Krew are still travelling to the Burning
    Man Festival this weekend in Nevada?

Thanks in advance for responses...

j'eh



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At 11:43 AM 8/27/96 -0500, Dustin B Bowman wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Professor Earache wrote:
>
>> >another thought- Since Tribal Brothers seems to have a bad reputation
>> >around madison, it seems like a lot of the locals are planning on heading
>> >to Elektrik Disko.  That's another source of money loss, dontcha think?
>> 
>> at 28 bucks a ticket I don't think so...
>> 
>$20 actually

wheew!!

earache
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At 01:06 PM 8/27/96 -0500, nuttah wrote:
>
>ok all u gearkids, question: how much IS the MC-303? the reson i ask is 
>becuase i've always checked the sheboygan classifieds just in case some 
>guy had something of interest equipment wise sitting in his attic and 
>wanted to get rid of it- i sw an MC-303 in there, and it was 1000$(i 
>think?) or something like that...of course at first glance i missed a 
>zero and the MC part so i nearly spit out my cereal;) not that i'm 
>relally looking to get one of these, i was just ciurious if this guy was 
>trying to take advantage of some unsuspecting sheboyganite here.

uhh you should re-read the paper ... the mc-303 was just like released.

earache

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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, nuttah wrote:

> 
> ok all u gearkids, question: how much IS the MC-303? the reson i ask is 
> becuase i've always checked the sheboygan classifieds just in case some 
> guy had something of interest equipment wise sitting in his attic and 
> wanted to get rid of it- i sw an MC-303 in there, and it was 1000$(i 
> think?) or something like that...of course at first glance i missed a 
> zero and the MC part so i nearly spit out my cereal;) not that i'm 
> relally looking to get one of these, i was just ciurious if this guy was 
> trying to take advantage of some unsuspecting sheboyganite here.

Well just to clear things up... the "303" you always hear about is a 
small, silver, analog synth called the TB-303, which looks like a 606. As 
we all know, 303s have been insanely hip lately, so much that Roland 
decided to cash in on the trend and make the MC-303, which is a digital 
box that emulates the old TB-303 sounds, and has some other 606 and 909 
stuff in it as well. So yes, there are now _two_ Roland units called a 
303... be aware. I'm sure the Music Machines homepage 
(http://www.hyperreal.com/machines) or the TB-303 homepage (I forget the 
URL) can tell you more. 

-jeff

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> $20 actually

well, I hope you're right! $20 is pretty reasonable for a party the size
of elektrik disko.  I felt a bit annoyed when jon told me $28- it did seem
justified, but still it IS $28!  So $20 sounds a lot better.  

I wonder if I can weasel my way in for free- seein' how I'm distributing
zines...

chris

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If you go into the newsgroups alt.rave or alt.music.techno, you'll see the
MC-303 getting dissed a lot.  They like to say "no professional would EVER
use this. it doesn't sound like the original." well, fuck that! Why does
it have to sound like an original 303 to be good?  Techno would be pretty
fuckin' boring if everyone used exclusively the tb-303. I say if the MC303
can make good sounds, use it! I'm sure it's not as expensive as finding an
original 303.

(anyways, I'm not a musician.  but if someone can make a cool song, I'm
not caring what machine it comes out of!)

my $0.02,

chris

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| Chris Ege                     | God, I love this music.             | 
| crege@piper.hamline.edu       | Isn't it TOO dreamy?                |
| http://www.hamline.edu/~crege |   - Audrey Horne                    |
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:44:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: DIFFUSION  Memphis, Tn  Sept. 21  RITM!!!
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>From Squatch Productions, the people who brought you EQUILIBRIUM and THANX!,
comes:

---------
DIFFUSION
---------

Featuring:
  
  Live performance art for the first time ever in Memphis by: 

        RABBIT IN THE MOON (hallucination records) tampa fl

  DJs:  DOC MARTIN (twilo, cream rock tha house) nyc/la
        DJ LIQUID  (journees) silicon valley ca
        MONK (hallucination records) tampa fl
        MARY JANE (squatch productions) memphis tn
        DJ SLY memphis tn
        MAXWELL EDISON (chicago wax master) chicago il

  70,000 watts of sound and intelligent lighting by:  
        Crescent City Sound & Lights (new orleans) 
        Squatch Productions (memphis)
 
  Two 24 ft. psychedelic view screens by:  Epoch Communications (new orleans)

  Entrancing lazers by:  Mobolazer (memphis)

  Smart bar by:  IMSMARTRU (louiville)

  Vending booths by:  Untranslatable (lexington)
                      Solo (chattanooga)
                      Squatch (memphis)

  Main info source:  Squatch Productions (901) 242-5400
                                         squatch109@aol.com
                                         http://www.thinkhead.com/squatch

  Other info sources:
        Those Two Kids     901-754-0808  Memphis TN
        Solo               423-267-8241  Chattanooga TN
        BAM                615-780-3730  Nashville TN
        Journees Clothing  408-725-1291  Silcon Valley CA
        Evolution          502-569-1969  Louiville KY
        Untranslatable     606-226-6850  Lexinton KY
        Satellite          404-880-9746  Atlanta GA
        Sound Factory      504-889-2606  New Orleans LA
        Majesty            312-409-0781  Chicago IL
        Massive            414-444-5390  Milwaukee WI
        Jelo               317-351-6907  Indianapolis IN
        Superfly           317-335-4565  Indianapolis IN
        Subterror          812-474-4803  Evansville IN
        Philosophy         410-876-9725  Baltimore MD
        Fusion             410-788-5543  Baltimore MD
        Pure Children      212-330-8006  New York NY


Or you can email me at: uerjones@cc.memphis.edu

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From: Peter Naegele <pnaegel@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
Subject: Re: mc-303
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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, !!chris e!! wrote:

> 
> If you go into the newsgroups alt.rave or alt.music.techno, you'll see the
> MC-303 getting dissed a lot.  They like to say "no professional would EVER
> use this. it doesn't sound like the original." well, fuck that! Why does
> it have to sound like an original 303 to be good?  Techno would be pretty
> fuckin' boring if everyone used exclusively the tb-303. I say if the MC303
> can make good sounds, use it! I'm sure it's not as expensive as finding an
> original 303.

	I heard the demos and I STILL think it sounds like a Basstation 
trying to be a tb303....aren't they going to re-release the 101 or 
something anyway???

> 
> (anyways, I'm not a musician.  but if someone can make a cool song, I'm
> not caring what machine it comes out of!)
> 
> my $0.02,
> 
> chris
> 
> =======================================================================
> |                               |                                     |
> | Chris Ege                     | God, I love this music.             | 
> | crege@piper.hamline.edu       | Isn't it TOO dreamy?                |
> | http://www.hamline.edu/~crege |   - Audrey Horne                    |
> |                               |                                     |
> |=====================================================================|
> | Minneapolis Idea Project Co-Editor                                  |
> | Email: ideaproject@juno.com                                         |
> | Voicemail: (612) 362-3387                                           |
> | WWW: http://members.tripod.com/~pimpskrimp/ideaproject.html         |
> =======================================================================
> 
> 

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another thought on rave-em and bail-e that contradicts my first post.


$25 >>>>IS<<<<< a great price for a 3-4 day party, i think.  if it doesn't get
busted.  which it supposedly wont due to its bust-freeness.

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From: Baden de Bari <wu921@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996 jdecker@winternet.com wrote:

> 
> >  hmm, so you are saying its the 'ravers' who haven't got the love yet 
> >and don't like to be called ravers - ??hmm
> 
> well, yeah...that *IS* what im saying...and i can feel comfortable saying
> it, cuz all the kids ive come across who hate bein called ravers cant tell
> you one *GOOD* reason why they go to parties in the first place...so you
> tell me...
> 

Ahh.. ok, I thought I read you right... Tamzin read it back to me and I 
saw it the way she tried explaining it to me, but I thought there was a 
reason why I said what I did... Ok,.. .Now I read you correctly.  
	Personally, I can give a  reason why I go to parties - raves even 
- I like to spin - I like to dance.  There are those that don't like 
being called ravers - b/c they're "t00 c00l" for that - no, not me.  I 
think I'm just aginst the whole label thing.  I like it - no, 

			*I*    *L*  *O*  *V*  *E*    *I*  *T*

   ...  so, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon...

		I love the rave scene - I love to spin.


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From: Baden de Bari <wu921@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [=!=] Comment about "RAVERS" et al [=!=] READ !!!
To: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
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On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Tamzin Grant-McPherson wrote:

>  ... okay i just spoke to baden and although this whole thread is already 
> thoroughly confusing ... he just wanted me to write this to say that what 
> he just wrote <above> should be ignored as he read the whole "ravers 
> called ravers blah, blah, blah" WRONG!
> 
> yeahokaythismakesNOsense,

	yeesh... l0ngish thread already :)  Thanks Tamzin ...

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Aug 27 23:01:49 1996
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:42:34 -0300
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From: Professor Earache <earache@inneraktive.com>
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I'm outta here ... this list has been cool for the years I've been on it,
but time to move on.

Still look for updates on kulture shock and EA!

And, one slight annoyance that I suppose I shouldn't be annoyed about... but
printing out posts and giving them to people is just plain not OK.  Only
because the posts are often taken out of context and follow up replies
aren't available.

I've recieved fone calls!! from this list because of what I've posted -
which is cool and fine and whatever - but typically the fone calls start out
on the wrong foot because the whole story isn't available for those
particular persons who've called me to discuss my *opinions*.

So if you're one of those lame people who do that, stop being such a fukkin
snitch - and if you are going to be a fukkin snitch at least PRINT THE WHOLE
GODDAMN THING and not just the more "spectacular" posts.

Also, people need to realize and wake up to the fact that mw-raves is a very
tiny microcosm of the whole picture.  These people that have called me have
called me out of this unfounded concern that my opines are being broadcasted
to a million fucking people instead of the 300 people on this list (10% of
whom participate and probably read the shit on here).

I've always treated mw-raves like a conversation and, personally, I think
alot of people approach it in the same way.  I'm not writing a fucking term
paper everytime I blab on here.  I don't do a bibliography or any
investigative background reasearch before I talk about something.  Which
makes these fone calls I get more annoying because it's like my conversation
with people is being made alot more important and threatening than it really
is.  I'm one person out of a zillion ... why are my words so important that
they need to be printed out?!

Anyways, the fone call I got today went well and I'm not miffed about that
at all, I think it's good that people call me up when they disagree with me
- so long as they know the score as far as this tiny lil thing goes.  And
that's what happened today and it was cool.

But in the past it hasn't been cool.  And that's not OK.

Alot of people have told me that maybe I should think about what I say
before I say it and typically I do (why I end up writing alot because I can
think about what I say).  But I've never been afraid to speak my mind, which
doesn't make me concrete right on a subject - but it still is what's going
on with me and my approach to it.  It pisses me off that people expect such
concretion from others, that somehow everything I post is cast in concrete
in my brain paths and that I can't variate from what I've said before
without being inconsistent.  Which is absolute bullshit because no one is
consitent consistently.

Anyways enough of my diatribe.  If you're one of those people that take this
list, this scene, everything too seriously - lighten the hell up.  If you're
one of those goofs that has been cataloging my every opine, get a fucking clue.

Crazy thanks to stevenJ, swank and jeff gage for keeping this list going and
to star, ed luna, josh decker, chris ege, joe, dave walker, chris sattinger,
suzanne s., hion, cylert and others for keeping stuff on here smart and
intelligent!

earache

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                       -=funkadelia=-

                       columbus ohio
                      sat aug 31 1996

                         11PM-6AM

featuring 
TREVOR LAMONT (lexington)
GANK (cleveland)
STUFF (cleveland)
MUTT (lexington)
MONOCHROME (columbus)
and other technofunkadelic turntablists tba

a $5-or-less event
located at virtual overdrive
corner of 9th ave and high st, just south of OSU campus

detailed directions posted friday...

more info: 614.470.0929
++
e d

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_melt_


_claude young_
    live performance

_paris & billeebob_
    heckle & jeckle

_dj godfather_
    
_theo_

_mike servito_


midnight


long live detroit underground
poorboy `96
meltingpot
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>	I heard the demos and I STILL think it sounds like a Basstation 
>trying to be a tb303....aren't they going to re-release the 101 or 
>something anyway???

MC-303 is not a TB-303 clone, better buy a TEE-BEE instead. But a MC-303 is
a small workstation featuring : easy programing drum machine with COOL
sounds (909, 909 with effects, 606, 707 ...), intuitive sequencer, lot of 
internal sounds, effects, arpergiator and so on ...
Mostly a DJ tool.

bye
dj terrorist

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>So yes, there are now _two_ Roland units called a 
>303... be aware. I'm sure the Music Machines homepage 
>(http://www.hyperreal.com/machines) or the TB-303 homepage (I forget the 
>URL) can tell you more. 

 The URL is :

             http://www.infomaniak.ch/~trz/TB-303/tb303.htm

 all infos about the MC-303 and this one :

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 |               |    __      __      __      __      __    |              |
 |               |   / /\    /  \    /  \    /  \    /  \   |              |
 |  R O L A N D  |  |    |  |  \ |  |/   |  |  \ |  |  \ |  |  BASS LINE   |
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 |    tempo       4    5                                         volume    |
 |     ___     3\ |___ |/6     ___    _w                          ___      |
 |    /   \      \/   \/      /   \  /_p                         /   \     |
 |   /    /\  2_ /\    \ _7  /     \ /            T B - 3 0 3   /     \    |
 |  |    / /|   |\ \    |   |    ___|__p  -------------------  |    _  |   |
 |  |    \/ | 1_| \/    |   |   |___|     Computer Controlled  |    \\ |   |
 |   \     /     \     /     \     / \_w                        \    \/    |
 |    \___/       \___/       \___/                         min/ \___/ \max|
 |                                                                         |
 |_________________________________________________________________________|
 |        |        C   D   E   F   G   A   B   C                  |        |
 |  ___   |      __  _   _  ___  _   _   _  _____           ___   |  ___   |
 | |   |  |     |   | | | |     | | | | | |      |         |   |  | |   |  |
 | |___|  |     |   | | | |     | | | | | |      |         |___|  | |___|  |
 |________|_____|   |_| |_|     |_| |_| |_|      |________________|________|
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;-)

bye
dj terrorist



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You can get them for like $750 or so.......

peace


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 28 11:02:18 1996
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:58:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Michael D Davis <mikeyd@winslow.net66.com>
To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
Subject: Laurnet Garnier


well lessee here     i fianlly get on computer after long time off   
on sunday    gage aksed me "mike wanna go to cleveland to see laurnet 
garnier?"   sure why not
so at 4 pm we headed there    long drive (7 hours)     we get there to 
hear the beginning of his set
he starts spinning and it sounded kinda shitty but i think he was just 
"testing" the crowd.....after the first 35 minutes or so  he gets into a 
good rhythem and starts rocking this little place in ghetto cleveland
then he starts to spin JUNGLE!!!!!    oh my god    he is good    then he 
switches back to his euro-techno and just rocks the house    

IF YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO SEE HIM     GO!!!!!!       he is goood very 
very good    ...definately worth the title of Best DJ in the WOrld 

mikeyd
now in urbana (what a lovely little town)



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From: Jeff Gage <gage@hyperreal.com>
To: Midwest Raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>
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From: Professor Earache <earache@inneraktive.com>
Subject: i'm still alive, believe it!
Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com


Things with the ISP are taking way longer than I thought (moving servers
that is) so I don't know when I'll finally make that move.

I've taken the initiative in the meanwhile to make some new changes to the
MIDI engine for tekknoBOX.  At the request of some peepz and because I'm
sick of sequencing jungle in cakewalk - i've done the following:

- tekknobox is now 32-steps per pattern
- you can have a prescale of 32nd notes
- there are two new track types: NRPN and RPN tracks for sequencing synths
and soundcards that use these controllers to control LFOs, Filters, etc.
- you can now echo the output of one MIDI track to another, with control
over the velocity and the key of that echo.
- MIDI tracks have been renamed to Note tracks
- Each track has a selector to determine whether or not a midi off is sent
before a midi on is sent, ie. right before the note on message is sent a
note off message (with the same note value of the following note on message)
is sent to insure that there isn't a doubling of sounds.  this is really
required for getting the box's timing right for loops.
- Setting the bank currently sends both the LSB and MSB for that controller,
but there is now a selector to send controller 0 only when switching banks.

I'm also working on a way to make the Step Grid show you all of the patterns
in a phrase or pattern range for editing.  that way you can edit an entire
measure, 4 patterns, at once without switching patterns!

So that's it.

I've also started all the paperwork on TekknoBOX 3.0.  I've decided that it
will be strictly win95 and you'll have 64th note pre-scale, 256 steps per
pattern and the ability to sequence multiple notes per step (ala traditional
sequencers).

Anyways that's it.

seeyaz.

earache

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================================== | =======================================
================================== | =======================================
 email := earache@inneraktive.com  |  sales   :=      sales@inneraktive.com
 pager :=            612.901.8372  |  support :=    support@inneraktive.com
 web   :=     www.inneraktive.com  |  news    :=       news@inneraktive.com
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 28 11:06:46 1996
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From: Ken Lawrence <techno@pacificnet.net>
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Organization: Pure Acid Mixtapes
To: txraves@io.com, mtn-raves@hyperreal.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: Going to Burning Man?


Hi there rave comerades, obligatory opologies for the crosspost, but if
you're headed out to Nevada for the Burning Man festival this weekend,
please look for our booth at the Secret Glowstick Society in the Techno
Ghetto rave camp!
If you have never heard of us before, we sell DJ mixtapes...and lots of
'em.  To the best of our knowledge, we have the largest selection
around.  We'll have all of our tapes available at our booth, along with
$1 glowsticks, dust masks, candy & other "legal" rave essentials!  We'll
be set up from dusk til dawn Friday and Saturday nights.  You can't miss
us.
6 sound systems there, woohoo!  Sounds like a desert raver's dream come
true!  SEE YA THERE!
--Ken (pure acid mixtapes)
310-793-1021

p.s. If anyone wants a free copy of our mixtape catalog, e-mail
Techno@pacificnet.net your paper (snailmail) address!  Thanks!


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 28 11:35:09 1996
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I wan't gonna say anything about this party.. but I thought I'd warn you
all this party was sponsored, or so it seemed, by "Moonlight Tobacco
Company". Had I known this before I left I wouldn't have gone. 

Promoters: if you're getting corporate sponsorship you owe it to
partygoers to identify those sponsors up front. I have no problem with the
idea of corporate sponsorship, but it has to be corporations that I would
actually buy from.

Anyway I don't know what the party was called, but y'all should have gone,
Laurent Garnier spun for like five hours and it was all good. Apparently
he's at Juice this Friday... GO. Retired ravers, this is one DJ worth
leaving your house for. :)

-j

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Jeff Gage                                            gage@hyperreal.com

(computer scientist by major, sociologist by nature, raver by religion) 

http://www.hyperreal.com/~gage       for://ward.theyouth/rev/olut.ion!


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 28 11:58:42 1996
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From: DORK <jchandratat@STTHOMAS.EDU>
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hmm...am back from vacation...not that anyone will notice :>
dont know who's still on the list, so i will save the hello's
and get down to the business.

FOR SALE: gemini pmx 15a (i think!) mixer
salespitch:
- 2 line/phono and 1 mic input (w/bass&treble)
- gain controls
- transform switches 
- replaceable xfader
- headphone mix (cue/output)
- led display
- yes, i sound like a damn catalog
price: $60 (comes with an attractive box)
the truth: a good beginner mixer. some crackling noise when faded..just keep
it clear of dust :> i have recorded with it and it has a good sound quality.
price is negotiable, of course. oh yeah, i live in mpls, mn. shipping cost
maybe required if too high :>

with that said, is that thing on sat in mpls still on? elektrik disko or 
something? i will probably need a ride :> 
oh yeah, i am buying a new numark...the small one of the 'performance 
series' for $200. good buy or not? 3 ch with individual gain/low/mid/high
knobs and kill switches! do tell me if you have heard good/bad word...
umm...lemme priased nick nice's 7th dimension store...he found me hardfloor
tb resuscitation, beltram's energy flash, may's strings of life :>

sheesh, this is the longest post i have posted...so i take my leave.

john/jest/dove


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*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

If you think that it sucks HERE when the cops bust a party...

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- The fun's over for 28 teen-agers who
have been sentenced for attending a dance party. 

Security forces raided the coed party in a northern suburb of Iran,
confiscating "music records, unauthorized cassette tapes, compact
discs and 41 video cassettes of corrupt films." Each teen received
10 lashes and was fined $33. Three teens got jail terms, and the
owner of the house was fined. 

Iran's Islamic laws forbid socializing between unmarried men and
women. Women are required by law to be covered from head to
toe in public. Western music is banned, although it is available on
the black market. 

--







From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 28 12:34:26 1996
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I take back my flame.  It was um,  not cool.



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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote:

> I wan't gonna say anything about this party.. but I thought I'd warn you
> all this party was sponsored, or so it seemed, by "Moonlight Tobacco
> Company". Had I known this before I left I wouldn't have gone. 

Q: Isnt moonlight a part of Camel? im pretty sure camel makes those jumbo 
smokes, but not sure...

> 
> Promoters: if you're getting corporate sponsorship you owe it to
> partygoers to identify those sponsors up front. I have no problem with the
> idea of corporate sponsorship, but it has to be corporations that I would
> actually buy from.
> 
> Anyway I don't know what the party was called, but y'all should have gone,
> Laurent Garnier spun for like five hours and it was all good. Apparently
> he's at Juice this Friday... GO. Retired ravers, this is one DJ worth
> leaving your house for. :)
> 

I heard juice is advertising him but hes not even legiltly booked, so i'd 
be careful 'bout that. course this is all hearsay, but...
heh, btw Jeff, even tho it was sponsored by moonlight it was a good 
party... so p'raps even if a party has a corp sponsor it might be worth 
going to? :)
plur
mike

> -j
> 
> -------
> Jeff Gage                                            gage@hyperreal.com
> 
> (computer scientist by major, sociologist by nature, raver by religion) 
> 
> http://www.hyperreal.com/~gage       for://ward.theyouth/rev/olut.ion!
> 
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 28 13:12:20 1996
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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:

> heh, btw Jeff, even tho it was sponsored by moonlight it was a good 
> party... so p'raps even if a party has a corp sponsor it might be worth 
> going to? :)

I have no problem with the idea of corporate sponsorship, but I'm a
concientous consumer. I'd go to a party sponsored by Pez candy, but not by
Dow Industrial Chemicals. Geddit?

-j

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Jeff Gage                                            gage@hyperreal.com

(computer scientist by major, sociologist by nature, raver by religion) 

http://www.hyperreal.com/~gage       for://ward.theyouth/rev/olut.ion!


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	I thought everybody had qbase by now........


Pete

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Subject: Review : Laurent Garnier / Sleepy C / Swank in Cleveland
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After doing Back together in Chicago, I went to set up sound and Light in 
Cleveland for Laurent Garnier.

The last time I talk to Laurent was back in 1991 at the Boy in Paris. Five 
years later, he is still the BEST DJ on this planet. He can mix like no other 
DJ. He made the music flow like a dream, his levels were more than perfect, he 
was teawking the eq all the time, but kept his levels constant at 0 db, plus 
or minus 0.5 db. I have never seen anyone else keep there levels so well. It 
was a real pleasure listening to him again. Now, the music his played was 
incredible. I was so tired from not sleeping from the previous night in 
chicago, but he gave me the energy to dance for the five hours he was 
spinning. This was a night to remember.

Swank did good, but like Laurent said : "a little bit to hard, to early" and 
Sleepy C did a good set and finished with his newly produced track.

One thing I was disappointed with was the attendance. Some promoters go out of 
their way to bring you good talent, people ignore that. How many times will 
you get the chance to hear someone like Laurent Garnier in your lifetime ?

French E

See you at Rave'm and Baile

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From: syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
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mikeyd sed:
=================================================================
he starts spinning and it sounded kinda shitty but i think he was just 
"testing" the crowd.....after the first 35 minutes or so  he gets into a 
good rhythem and starts rocking this little place in ghetto cleveland
then he starts to spin JUNGLE!!!!!    oh my god    he is good    then he 
switches back to his euro-techno and just rocks the house    

IF YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO SEE HIM     GO!!!!!!       he is goood very 
very good    ...definately worth the title of Best DJ in the WOrld 

mikeyd
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laurent garnier spun JUNGLE?! tell me it wasn't the experimental
jungle that DJ Soulslinger spins...that seemed to clear the crowd
in cleveland and baltimore. damn last time mr. garnier spun here
in cleveland it wuz mostly trance. unfortunately the "take u on 
a journey", but end up "putting u to sleep" type of trance...the
cleveland crowd is not very receptive to music that is hard to dance
to. his mixes were flawless, prolly one of the tightest dj's i've
heard spin minus the undeniable, Jeff Mills...tremendous flow...
a level tweaking master...perhaps i shouldn't have skipped after all
..but i had my 1st day of classes & had to get up @ 9am...back in the
day i would've gone w/o a second thought...but things change when u
get older...it would've been smarter if chris and steve booked him 
on a saturday night...then they wouldn't have had to compete w/ trilogy
& more kids could've come out if they didn't have school or work the
next day...but i'm guessing it's difficult to book laurent on a saturday,
since he's such a big name DJ.

speakin o dj's i think u meant DJ Gank, not Swank, French-E. Swank i
believe is the title of a porno magazine. Kevin acquired his nickname
cuz he had a reputation of having his stuff stolen...mostly records.
kevin's a purdy keen guy, but has terrible luck.


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Sunday night (25 august) when I talk to laurent before he went to the airport, 
he mentioned that he was not spinning until thursday (which is tonight) and he 
is spending the weekend in different cities in California. He did not mention 
to me that he will be in Chicago. May be he will...and if he is, you better go 
and enjoy his incredible talent.

Michael, may be this answered your question.

French e

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On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Jeff Gage wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, michael alfred wieher wrote:
> 
> > heh, btw Jeff, even tho it was sponsored by moonlight it was a good 
> > party... so p'raps even if a party has a corp sponsor it might be worth 
> > going to? :)
> 
> I have no problem with the idea of corporate sponsorship, but I'm a
> concientous consumer. I'd go to a party sponsored by Pez candy, but not by
> Dow Industrial Chemicals. Geddit?
> 

Ahhh, said the blind man. :)


> -j
> 
> -------
> Jeff Gage                                            gage@hyperreal.com
> 
> (computer scientist by major, sociologist by nature, raver by religion) 
> 
> http://www.hyperreal.com/~gage       for://ward.theyouth/rev/olut.ion!
> 
> 

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EARACHE...

if yer still even on the list or not, i dunno...

all i can say is were (or least *I* will) gonna miss yer posts...always
insightful, intelligent, and worthy of attention....regardless if i agree or
not...

keep in touch, and ill be behind you every step of the way with minneapolis
and inneraktive nettwerx...you got yer shit in check and together...unlike
lotsa kids around here...

keep yer head up...

*hugs*

JAWSH!

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From: James Clar <nowhere@msn.globaldialog.com>
Subject: Rippon Fuckin' Good!
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:45:15 -0500 (CDT)


Hello! I don't know if you guys and gals know about this, but if you 
didn't, i thought i'd let you in....

{FRIDAY}             {SEPTEMPER}               {13}
             MJ12 PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS......

       <<<<<<<<<<RIPPON FUCKIN' GOOD>>>>>>>>>>>>>

   with dj's...
 
	TRON - chi             
	 MR. BILL - milw			
          GANJA GIRL - minn
           ACID BOY - milw       
	    BIG BROTHER ERIC - milw
	     ACID LOVE - milw
	      NOWHEREMAN - nowhere..

        This is gonna be a small, underground party in rural WI. Tickets 
are only gonna be $4!! Also included is a special [caged] set by TRON! 
Nice sound system, Nice lighting, and Lots-o-PLUR...all for only $4!!  
This is what the scene was originally about, and were gonna bring it back!!

INFO: 414.985.3117






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okie dokie kids...

there always seems to be talk of net.meets and such fer other parties...and
those are, 9 times outta 10, one nite events...'rave em' is a four day
tekkno extravaganza (or so he hopee, anyhoo)...and i havent much (not much
at all i say) of any sorta net.meets fer this one...im damn sure (and hoping
highly) that there will be lotsa us there...so what should we do?...i mean,
ive conversed, interacted, e.mailed, talked on the phone, and read posts
with/to/from/about a lotta ppl since i joined this list...and would greatly
like to put some faces to names...and learn new names (and hopefully faces)
as well...

so any ideas?...

i suggest a coupla net.meets fer each day...like, say...one around dinner
time...one at about sunset...one towards the witching hour...and one as
thangs begin to wind down... this would give us a total of four net.meets a
day...of which, each individual would (at most) attend two...in my
guesstamation, anyhow...therefore, it would prolly take kwite a few of em to
get to meet all (or nearly all) you guys...and i would really like to do so...

so i guess...if this sounds like a desent idea, and one that could be
realized...lets make some definite plans and firm thangs up...kay?...

but if not...well, then...nevermind...ill be sad.... ;)

*hugs*kisses*love*

JAWSH!

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I'm saddened to hear that you are leaving us.  You are one of the many
people on this list that are very passionate about the scene and what you
believe in.  Never afraid to speak your mind, you raised many important
issues.  You will be missed.  Party on<-----HION


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well, to add to the already wild-ass flood of "bye earache"  I give you
this:

earache, it'll be bad to see you go. Of course I'll still see you at all
the parties and stuff (or maybe I wont... we haven't managed to hook up
yet!) But it'll still be bad to see you not on this list anymore. You
always have good things to say and they were never stupid (unlike my
messages, which sometimes have a pretty high stupidity content)
I'm still behind ya all the way as far as culture shock and EA... I'll
work security or whateva... In the short while that I've been on this
list, you've opened my eyes to a lot of things, like the dirty dealings of
certqin unnamed promoters in minneapolis...  it's a shame to see you go.

chris(you'll be back... nobody can resist the addictive powers of mw-raves
for long..) or maybe not.

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug 28 22:14:04 1996
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From: Spitfire <gsamcv@noctrl.edu>
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I've uploaded some more pics to hyperreal's ftp site.. they can be viewed 
using a web browser.. http://hyperreal.com/incoming/vrave/spitfire .. new 
pics are under the tkg and io3 directories.. thanks... 
and hey.. did anyone notice that the server is faster? did they get a 
new  connection or somethin? *Hugz*

				Spitfire
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Hey is anyone friendly going to Gadabing this Saturday in Detroit?  If 
you are, tell me - I feel so alone out here in this area of the continent!

Cynthia

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On 28 Aug 96 at 13:58, DORK wrote:

> oh yeah, i am buying a new numark...the small one of the 'performance
> series' for $200. good buy or not? 3 ch with individual gain/low/mid/high
> knobs and kill switches! do tell me if you have heard good/bad word...


i also saw an ad in an english rag for a mixer called "blue" by a company 
called "indtimidation".  kill switches and potentiometers (knobs) for 
bass/mid/treble on each of it's two phono channels, and no controls for 
the line in set up for drum machine's, samplers etc.  supposedly 
affordable and supposedly high quality, but i'm wary of any piece of 
electronic equipment with graphics that are too flashy, i can't say why.

but those are the only two mixers i've ever heard of that have kill 
switches for the different EQ bands *and* pots for smooth fades of same.

the next thing i want:  to be able to set *where* in the audio spectrum 
the high/mid/low is.


but i can always dream....


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<story>

it is now wednsday, and the clock atop my monitor says eleven twenty five 
p.m., so i guestimate that i have about three hours of energy to tell 
you the story of my weekend.

i think the party in chicago on saturday was called back-2-gether though
i didn't know that until i just checked my back-issues of the mwraves
calendar.  all i knew was that maxximum was doing the sound, eyegasm was
doing the lights, and *Carl Cox* was going to be there, and so it
followed i would be too.  he also told me that they were doing sound and
lights for Laurent Garnier in cleveland the next night and that i should
ride down with them, tho he didn't know how i would get back. neither did
i.  i didn't  figure i would go.  how wrong i was. i arrived at the space
at four o'clock saturday where we set up the dolton expo center in it's
usual fashion--a highschool cafeteria.  the speakers were up on risers as
they had been for IO3 and although the sound was incredible, the bass was
dramatically reduced because of this.  frenche was excited about having
another gig in chicago where he could show a crowd of ppl who know little
else than diversified's distortion what a sound system should be.  
"i'm going to turn it up tonight" he told me,  "i want them to really feel
it."

once the heavy stuff was in place and everything was just about ready to
go i trucked it up to lakeshore drive (LSD) to pick up jaime, satya, and
synthetix at jaime's pad and say a brief hello to dave and loosy. i love
partying with netravers almost as much as i love really wild and crazy
weekends.  on the way back we got lost in ghettoville (that's a suburb,
get out your map) but managed to come out okay, even if we did piss off
someone at a McDonalds drive thru.  during our southside meanderings the
emergency cellphone i have with me rings. it's kate: "come to cleveland
tomorrow with frenche" what?! how do i get home? how can i afford that?
why are you calling me now? do you think i'm crazy? (little did she know
i was planning on going there anyway and had set up a ride back with josh
and syrup) why it's not marked better how to get on 94 from LSD i don't
know...or maybe i should pay attention.  whatever.

and feel it they did...for the first time in my knowledge, the dalton
expo center hosted listenable sound.  you forget how distorted the music
you are litening to gets when it's not treated properly by the speakers. 
at the beginning of the night we were barely pushing the system.  about
half the power, that was all.  then with each deejay we would kick it up
a bit more and a bit more until the headliner at which point we let it
flow and... ahhh yeah, was the music loud and clear in there! =] 
although the flyer advertised two rooms of sound for the very reasonable
fifteen dollar admission fee, there was in reality only one.  the story i
heard was that the original space fell through less than two weeks before
the event, and that sounds beliveable (but i'm still a chicago partygoer,
and i'm still sick of the dumb dalton expo.  chicago promoters call me,
i've got a really good space for you on the northside ~20 min. from
o'hare).  at any rate, a lot of the local deejays who were on the flyer
would not play (acetate, traxx, etc.) and the party would start at a
really early 9 p.m. to accomidate the many who would. these are the ones i
can remember offhand:

the opener:  xian from cicny......
	perhaps you have heard this tall skinny guy's tape, or his recently 
released tagteam compact disk, if you have, i do not need to tell you of 
his skills or the great beats and breaks he pulls from his bag.  i, and 
about fifty other early partygoers enjoyed the hell out of his music.  it 
was fun, it was funky and it was hype...a great opener for any high-vibed 
party.  but xian, if you read this, here's a tip:  put down the scratch 
record.  i mean, it's cool and it's a hell of a lot better than i could 
ever do, but *not every song*!  and pick different scratch samples than 
terry m. has worn out already.  if you'd spent less time scratching you 
might have been more dead on with those mixes.  nevertheless, i still 
enjoyed the hell out of your set and am really glad to see you getting 
cool gigs and moving up.  i'll be watching for your pic on magazine covers 
in the future.

next:  halo from chicago (hip house)......

		"  If it wasn't for the music, i don't know what i'd do!  "

	holy shit.  i've heard him before, but he totally went off saturday night 
with steadily building acid house that braved the realm of trancey.  he 
scratched a little bit too, showing us how to do it correctly, and got 
everybody dancing as the room filled up and the majority of people 
filtered in.  kept thier attention with that pounding chicago acit hows 
sound until he blew everybody's shit away with an otherwise plain track 
that featured a sample containing a plainly, but rhythymically spoken 
sample of the quote above.  bam.

then: mindrive (i think)....
	just at the beginning of this set i was convinced that there would never 
be a better time to find a place to go get cigarettes and chip was 
threatening to *walk* to a c-store or whatever to get them.  not knowing, 
but not trusting the neghiborhood, i told chip that he would *not* be 
walking to said store and therefore missed about half of mindrive's set, 
but what i did hear i really enjoyed, but i just didn't get into it 
because i didn't hear the beginning of it.  sorry, mister chad.

then: soulslinger with mc TC....
	when i arrived on the stage to give TC a microphone and explain the 
dynamics of the mixer to soulslinger a very large man in dreads handed me 
a burning and fat spliff. ("what am i supposed to do with this?") MC TK 
kept reminding me to "tell the sound man to give me the voice of GOD wit 
this microfone".  when the music started or the beatless stuff started 
that soulslinger took down into hiphop as the set opened TK really got the 
crowd hyped: "we gonna do three things in here tonight! one, we gonna 
[throw down some excellent jungle]; two, we gonna spread LOVE and UNITY to 
all the brothas and sistas in the house; and three, we gonna smoke *mad 
ganga when we get through" (little did they know his secret ;).  but then 
he kept talking, and Kept Talking, and *Kept Talking*, and 
K E P T  T A L K I N G....sheesh.  shut up already and let me hear some of 
the music.  and began to sound like a commercial, er, broken record with 
how often he told us he was with jungle sky, he was from new york, and 
that they were in the house.  i didn't really like soulslinger's jungle, 
either.  skillfully played, from what i could tell, but lousy music.  most 
importantly, chicago didn't like it.  these kids aren't even ready for 
*good* jungle yet, and being that there was no alternate soundsystems, 
most chilled on the floor (smoking mad ganga, why wait until they get 
through?).

then: A Babies (NYC) live pa......
	neat live acidy stuff, i guess.  the crowd was ready for a change and 
began to get loose and dance. i was working on technical stuff and running 
into unexpected friends :) so i didn't pay much attention.

finally:  Carl Cox........
	ahhhhhhhyes, the man is amazing.  three turntables, grinning the entire
time, everyone in the house dancing and going crazeeee!  i was enjoying
myself and the ppl i was hanging out with and even though i should have
started to get tired during the course of his three hour set, i survived
on the pure energy of his music. i was a little bit confused though, when 
he peaked his set off with "loose caboose" (no, you didn't misread that).  
not that i or anyone else minded, just....this is the midwest and stuff. i 
dunno.  very professional (that is, he keeps his levels right and does not 
even flirt with going into the red), very very nice guy.  i can't wait to 
see him again (what about a live pa?)

then: K-Hand (detroit)......
	nice girl, cool records, pumped the crowd well.  good chicago style house 
and detroit garagey stuff. the sun will be up soon.

to round it out: Glenn Underground (with live saxophonist)......
	rad morning house from the master of the sort and the live sax was a 
really neat addition to all the records he played.  than, as the 
flourescent lights went on..... "i think that we should get back together"
it's going to be a requirement soon, that if you want to play last at a 
party in chicago you will play this song at the end of your set.  of 
course i and everyone else loved it.

---->now all of you go home so we can put this shite in the truck and take 
off, we gotta get to cleveland in a hurry!

unfortunately, our captain jj and his rra (really rad accomplice), allYson 
had been stranded ten minutes or so away from thier car so i trucked them 
over there managing to get lost both directions.

then jaime had to be back at her pad on LSD by ten a.m. to catch a two 
p.m. flight for Copenhagen so we got the sh!t on the truck in record time, 
got jaime to her pad, and frank and satya put into thier respective 
comfortable sleeping positions.  i don't believe that they are quite used 
to being the *very last* ravers to leave the site.  we also managed to 
drop some random stranded raver off on a cta train so he could get home.  
i didn't understand the whole deal, and i don't think he did either.

then josh, syrup, chip, juniper and i hit my house for showahhhhs and a 
catnap before the drive to cleveland.  welcome to utopia, i hope you enjoy 
your awake.  and right before i left my roomate laid this bomb tape on me 
jesus vs. dr. kevorkian (i am dead serious, email me with questions). that 
we listened to in the car.  well, i listened to, everybody else crashed 
out.  oh well.  did i mention utopia?

we were a bit late getting to the space in cleveland but we got the party
underway in proper time. the space was a really nice second story
ballroom kind of thing with curtained stage and chandeliers and mediocre
bathrooms. the walls and shape of the room made it exceptional for chip's
simple and elegant light show.  there were also hardwood floors that were
very nice for the bass **feeling** --  ahh yeah. i imagine the cleveland
rotary club having lunch there on tuesday afternoons.

for soundcheck we got to hear josh's favorite song -- aphex twin's 
"ventolin" on a proper system.  that itself was worth the drive for both 
me and josh :)  kate and deejay stuff arrived and we were all happy, 
although she was entirely unsuprised to see me...she said she "knew".  she 
called it "woman's intuition" i just wondered if i should be scared ;) 
(answer:  probably not)

about ten the party got underway with dj gank.  cool, kept me groovin' 
while everything got going and the lights got programmed and all that. in 
the middle of his set jeff gage shows up with a bunch of ppl from school 
and suddenly there's a netmeet. sista spinsta, was there too..lesee, who 
else?  i know i'm forgetting one or two ppl.....


then laurent garnier showed up.




oh my.






let me rephrase that:

oh my.

					now i understand.

see, a week ago i thought the guy was an asshole because he would *only* 
accept gigs for four hours or more.  NOW i understand.  see, you can't 
spin trance for an hour or hour and a half and expect ppl to understand.  
and you will never understand the relationship it has to, say, 
drum-n-bass. now i understand.  i was also told that "he gets people 
fucked up on his music." now i understand that too.  i was completely 
sober and still danced for better than five hours on about forty five 
minutes sleep (the utopia was long gone by that point).  i can't say 
enough about his music, and if you had been there you would understand 
too.

the vibe was wonderful and not sketchy at all, even the cop at the door 
was really cool.  there were many different kinds of ppl there and not 
everyone looked like a cookie cutter untitled(tm)-shopped raver.  a 
tobacco company i had never heard of was there passing out free stickers 
and free product but i didn't talk to the guy but i wished i had.  two 
days later i saw an ad for that company in a really ugly magazine.  but 
the sponsorship of that company didn't change the vibe at all, and it made 
it so that a lot of ppl could see a really good international deejay at a 
relatively small party for only ten lousy bucks.  all that company did was 
give out cigarettes and money.  sure, i've been advertised to, but in some 
way i enjoyed it.  better than a commercial on CBS.

then i got to stay around cleveland for a couple of days and hang out with 
frank, kate, jeff, and jim.  that was rad.  then i called my gramma's 
house to find out if she could pick me up from the trainstation and my 
aunt answers the phone and tells me that she'll have to because my gramma 
is in ICU and has lost about half of her blood volume due to an ulcer. 
that was in no way rad.  please pray for my gramma.


thanks for reading, thanks for thinking.

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it's a little out-of date for me to be posting this since the event was 
last friday, but i wanted to say a few things and post something more 
substantive because i havent had much time to contribute lately...
i'd also like to say some things about the ele_ment series as it now 
stands, one year after it began.

boron was, in some ways, a failure.  only about 60 people actually showed
up despite a decent amount of promotion, etc.  i'm not upset about it,
really, because that's what i needed to cover my budget, and as always i
do these ele_ment events mostly for myself and a small group of
appreciators, but it made me really ask myself some hard questions. 

people really just want a party, dont they?  if i'm going to continue to
do events that are an attempt to challenge what YOU might consider a
"rave" or "event" to be, then i guess i'll have to compromise if i want a
substantial number of people to actually show up. 

in a way, i dont really expect people to drive hours to get to columbus by
9 or 10 pm just to see some local acts play live for 3 hours, so i'm not
condemning anyone who may have seen the flyer at IO3 or wherever, and
didnt come (so don't take any of this personally).  but what i'm asking
is, what do i have to do to get people involved and interested (without
wasting too much energy)? 

i've tried throwing after-parties for these events, to draw more people,
and as a complement to the usually-serious mood of the concerts, but
they've sort of backfired because so many people dont show up till like 1
am, after the performances are over, so they miss the whole point! 

but on the other hand, i'm not willing to move the concerts any later. i
want to keep these events in the early-evening, because i want a wider
variety of people to come.  i want the ex-ravers, beatniks, cyberpunks,
computer-geeks, artists, etc...the whole spectrum of techno-appreciators
or anyone who wants to try something new.  

i'm afraid the rave scene has lost it in this department...we really arent
reaching anyone except young people (some of whom are here for the right
reasons, but many of whom are just here for a quick dose of rebellion/
drugs/fun before they move on or drop out).  what about all those people
who like techno, buy it, or are open to it, but _don't_ go to raves (for
whatever reasons)?  

those are the people _i_ want in my scene, i dont know about the rest of
you.  i want people to be at an event because they like the music or
because they want to experience something NEW.  when's the last time YOU
went to a party and felt your own ideas about what a "rave" could be were
challenged in real ways?  probably never, i'd bet.  or rarely, at best (if
so, i'd love to hear it). 

unfortunately, we're all wanting what's familiar to us (myself included)
and branching out is a risky thing.  but honestly this aint too big a
leap, in my eyes!  these events connect us with deeper currents and older
art forms more directly, like happenings, classical performances (in the
old sense of the term), and ceremonial gatherings of every description. 
they're not so different from a rave, except the fact that people tend not
to dance (not that they can't, they just seem not to).  they're a place
where people can interact, and hear music or encounter environments
created especially for that event, by a special group of people who want
to do this for almost nothing (me, the performers, speaker- and equipment-
donators, anyone who helps).  yet this seems to be a challenge to many 
"ravers" out there who, as a supposedly "free-thinking" and "open-minded" 
pseudo-community, ought to know better.

these are sad facts, and ultimately i agree that the only way to get the 
message across--to open people's minds--is to do it by stealth, by 
dressing up something new in the guise of something familiar.  if i 
really wanted to succeed i'd get woody mcbride or someone of equal 
stature involved in an event.  but chances are, people like him can't (or 
won't) come down to earth for something like this, and while that may be 
fair in some respects, i just can't afford to do something even this 
weird and lose that kind of money on it.  it's got to start from below.

besides, i'd rather have it home-based, as there are plenty of worthy
musicians right here in my own town.  columbus, of all places, has a
wonderfully rich pool of musicians and artists, some of whom have been
doing electronic music for years and years.  i want to give new people a
chance to be heard, but i also want to bring the old-schoolers back into
the fray; to give them an excuse to work on new material, to encourage
them and to help them realize that their music can be part of this
phenomenon...which is tied closely with raves and all that, but is somehow
deeper. 

so what are these ele_ment events?  well, even if you've read this far,
it's possible that you have no idea.  so i'll explain it clearly: they
aren't really raves, they're concerts...but not like rock concerts,
they're a bit deeper than that.  they're concerts for electronic music
(mostly techno) and environments, presented by artists who really care
about their work and spent a lot of time getting material together. the
most expensive one was only $2 to get in.  OPTIONAL. 

even so, these events have been pretty sparsely-attended, the biggest was 
helium last november because it was free and happened to feature todd 
sines in a starring role.  that's our "big name," i guess...or maybe 
titonton?

*sigh* no, i dont mean to sound reproachful, there has been real support
for local artists, but please understand, this takes a lot of work, and i
know that if people actually came they WOULD get it, they WOULD like it...
maybe not quite how _i_ imagine it, but that's part of the point anyway...
it's meant to be completed by the people who actually attend.  in a larger
sense, i see these events as works of art, completed by whoever shows
up...so naturally i feel a sparsely-attended "work" is somewhat of an
artistic failure. 

i don't mean to sound pretentious...these events aren't some grandiose 
"new thing," in fact they're quite an old idea (as i've already made 
clear).  but on an even more basic level, these events are about 
interacting with music in whichever way you feel comfortable.  what could 
be more simple than that?

and even a "failure" like boron really wasn't, because those who did make
it felt something special as the room was was filled with some of the best
music and ideas i have ever encountered.  a lot of people that were there
appreciated what was happening around them.  i saw people interacting with
the music, and with each other, in new ways.  that was the shit.  but i 
only wish there had been more of them...there _should_ have been more of 
them. 

anyway, let me set the stage:

early-evening.  in a large, hot, carpeted, rectangular, communal living
room, lined with sliding-glass doors (a room that would have served 30
years ago to debut new works by philip glass or whomever), four artists
brought all of their gear to present their own ideas.  the room was
overflowing with cables, speakers, keyboards, and so on...an amazing
takeover of a space. 

mike poe, known as MIDI SLUT, has been twiddling around in columbus with
electronic music for quite a few years.  he began the event with some
beautifully-sweet ambience, a 30-minute composition in several parts,
flowing into darker textures for a while, then into more melodic realms. 
very clean, almost clinically-precise, but very powerful and
mind-expanding.  each part of the 1st piece was interrupted by short
breaks between the "movements," which consisted of spoken-word material
from space records and other sources...voices that would fade in and out 
of comprehensibility.  cool stuff. 

then a couple songs with beats followed...one that seemed to be purely 
composed on the 808, using extremely complex drum patterning, but 
whose final pulse was just simply in its driving beat.

his last piece was the strongest, combining the ambient elements with 
beats, this time with a very slow, electro-type of beat.  this combined 
with a perfectly beautiful and unobtrusive melody to create what can only 
be described as "sex music."  :)  mindblowing.

tony ramos' visual performance came next, delayed slightly due to a
missing film, but evenually things got going okay.  for the first part,
tony projected images of battlefield technology, armies, etc, from a green
monochrome video projector, onto a king-sized sheet tacked to the opposing
wall.  on a table just below the sheet were two video monitors upon which
tony could play things from another vcr or repeat what was on the main,
green screen.  i showed snippets of an abstract film i made a couple years
ago, as well. 

karen kreutzfeld of gaga performed the incidental music, providing an 
extremely disturbing and harsh landscape of sounds that went perfectly 
with the images of war on the screen.

sometimes things didnt work quite so well, tony's switches were all pretty 
much rigged on the spot, and the videos he had were all randonly selected 
from a public library, so the war scenes kept getting interrupted by 
these commentator people who looked way out-of-place...but enough of a 
feel still came through to make a real statement (to me at least).  

part one of tony's show ended with slow-motion film-footage of delapidated
buildings in detroit (shot by tony himself).  then came a more organic
part of the performance featuring tapes of tony's own video-feedback from
previous performances...amazing amazing amazing.  tony has mastered
feedback in all forms...rings, flashes, color, swirls, etc...it's got to
be seen to be believed (who needs expensive computers?).  along with the
feedback tapes tony showed snippets of computer-animations such as
impossibly-complex gears, and the simple vector-graphics games of vectrex 
(remember asteroids?).  

i should point out that throughout the entire show tony could move images 
from monitor to projector and vice-versa...making it really chaotic (in a 
good way) and difficult to figure out quite what you were looking at.

meanwhile, karen's musical backdrop almost overwhelmed tony's visuals, 
with harsh drones from an old analog korg synthesizer, screetching away 
beautifully while she played other, softer sounds on a digital keyboard.

part two ended in silence, and just as everyone thought it was over
(including me), tony began typing something on the screen: a conversation
between two disembodied people, asking each other if they are "here." 
tony ended it for real by creating a huge ;-) on the big screen, and that
was it. 
 
i'm not sure if people got the technology/humanity theme (especially the
end part which didnt work as good as he'd hoped) but there was definitely
enough there to allow for some interesting thoughts to come into your
head.  i think that was tony's point...i dont think he wanted the theme to
be too obvious, i think he wanted people to put things together for
themselves. 

finally, came rich ratvasky, who plays music as IHANNOA.  his set was the
shortest, but everyone wanted more from this techno GOD!!!  haha...but
seriously, rich has mastered some incredible way of organizing sounds that
derives a lot from artists like orbital, yet somehow takes their ideas into
new planes entirely.  rich bulids up dense, intense layers and complex
rhythms, and then creates a seamless mix whose final impression is not
complex at all...just moving.  even mike poe was bamboozled.  tribal 
elements, smooth, silky chords, phat analog sounds, crisp percussion, 
touches of jungle syncopation (!)...great stuff.  nobody danced, which 
was beyond my comprehension, but maybe that was ok.  maybe no one knew 
quite how to dance, because his sounds were so unexpected...

after this we had an unannounced party at the space, with titonton,
powerhouse, jericho mark, and atman spinning.  this was my sly way of
getting people to go to the show first, by not saying anything about an
afterparty.  unfortunately that didnt work either because there were so
few people there in the first place, that the party was mostly empty.  OH 
WELL!  but the highlight and main point of the evening was obviously the
performances.  i hope i've done them justice. 

so the questions remain:  how do i keep doing these events?  

well, my feelings on the matter are immovable.  i'm going to keep doing
the ele_ment concerts till i drop, if i have to.  i am extremely proud of
the first 5 events.  each has been held at a different place, spreading a
positive energy wherever they have been held.  each has been a powerful
experience for me and for many of those who have attended.  the music at
each event has been phenomenal and every artist has devoted time, energy,
effort, and love into their performances...lugging all their precious gear
out into the elements (pun intended) to play for FREE.  

that's what these events are really all about.  they're about seeing
electronic musicians (and visual performers like tony) as artists, despite
their lack of "superstar" posture or stage antics...despite the fact that 
no "real" instruments are involved and it requires no real "musical ability" 
(supposedly).  it's all written by computers, isn't it?  ;)

from computers and keyboards to guitars, pianos, and violins, they're all
just tools of some kind that mean nothing without a musical or artistic
mind behind them. these events are trying to call attention to that
process of organizing the almost limitless sounds available to electronic
musicians (or visual artists, or whatever) into a very personal form 
which they share with us. 

i'd like to thank these performers, then, officially, since this is in
effect the one year anniversary of these events, and i could not have done
_anything_ without the music and environments they've provided, so i
dedicate this post to them. 

for now, i'm not going to answer the real questions about how i can make
these ele_ment event work "better," nor how i can reach more of you, or
more of the "ravers," or more of whomEVER.  if you read this far, i'm not
worried about converting you.;) the hard part is to try to convince others
that what is going on with these events is worth my effort...and worth
noticing and/or supporting, even if from afar.  it's these kinds of events
(ele_ments or otherwise)--ones that challenge others to meet me halfway
(or even 10% of the way!)--that give me my sense of purpose.  i'll keep
doing them as long as i can, i just need to feel that someone's listening. 

so now it's up to you to write me and say "phat, keep doing it," or maybe
show up, propose something to expand the idea of a "rave" yourself (what a
CONCEPT!), or whatever.  that's why one of our special events earlier 
this summer was called ACTIVE NOT PASSIVE.  time to act again... 

thanks for reading.

**

the story so far:

17 aug 95
ele_ment 1: (H) hydrogen
featured
andrew tweed as PORCH
rich ratvasky as IHANNOA
todd sines and charles noel as A.MBIENCE R.ECOVERY S.YSTEM
and was located at the wolfe parke shelterhouse

17 nov 95
ele_ment 2: (He) helium
featured
TITONTON DUVANTE
charles noel as Cr02
todd sines as ENHANCED
and was located at the goodale park shelterhouse

29 mar 96
ele_ment 3: (Li) lithium
featured
myungho choi as SPORE
m. christopher jones as M/C/JONES
jeff central as CENTRAL INHABITANTS
and was located at cafe q

24 may 96
ele_ment 4: (Be) beryllium
featured
mark gunderson representing THE EVOLUTION CONTROL COMMITTEE
D.A.C. CROWELL from illinois
charles noel, myself, D.A.C., lance decker, and others as (23)
and was located at ives hall, OSU campus

23 aug 96
ele_ment 5: (B) boron
featured
mike poe as MIDI SLUT
visual performance by ARAMOS, assisted by me, with music by karen kreutzfeld
rich ratvasky as IHANNOA
and was located at a communal house near OSU campus

thank you all...those who have helped, those who have come, those who have 
expressed an interest, and those who wish they had come.

coming in mid-november:
ele_ment 6: (C) carbon
featuring live electronic performances by 
TITONTON DUVANTE <--**BIG NAME**
charles noel as ?? <--**MEDIUM-SIZED NAME
todd sines as ?? <--**BIG NAME**

++
e d

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, star wrote:

> ganga when we get through" (little did they know his secret ;).  but then 
> he kept talking, and Kept Talking, and *Kept Talking*, and 
> K E P T  T A L K I N G....sheesh.  shut up already and let me hear some of 
> the music.  and began to sound like a commercial, er, broken record with 
> how often he told us he was with jungle sky, he was from new york, and 
> that they were in the house.  i didn't really like soulslinger's jungle, 
> either.  skillfully played, from what i could tell, but lousy music.  most 

I could've told you that.  He'll go on and on about how he "played at 
Psychosis in Chicago with Trace, Ron, MC DET , MC 5-0 and MC GQ".  I got 
one thing to say:  9:00 AM.  That's where he was slotted.  And for that 
very reason.  Wack. 

> importantly, chicago didn't like it.

Cause they know he was from New York.  I mean, granted, Trace has since 
moved to New York and it's all good but a lot of the stuff coming out of 
there is straight wack.   Trust....  

> these kids aren't even ready for 
> *good* jungle yet, and being that there was no alternate soundsystems, 

You need to put the spliff down, bud.  Chicago has been ready and they 
are ready and I've seen it blow up.  They've heard good jungle and 
screamed out for the fucking rewind numerous times, lighters flashing, 
horns & whistles blaring.  Chicago knows what is up...

I don't know if you were referring to "these kids" meaning Chicago kids 
as a whole or just those kids, that certain night.  Chicago is the shit 
and the jungle supporters are strong.  For proof, look at the attendance 
at even the afterhours Heart & Soul does, all the free shit they did this 
summer, the First Fridays at Smart Bar and just the all around attendance 
at jungle events.

But...  On the other end..   Since Chicago is so saturated with jungle 
and jungle DJs, you can sometimes get a better response from a crowd that 
isn't exposed to jungle as much, no matter how good/bad you spin.  I spun 
down in Indy about a month ago and the response from the crowd was total 
and complete hype!!  It was really dope.  Then that same week I spun in 
Chicago and the complete opposite happened.  Nobody really getting into 
it, everyone just hanging out.

I love Chicago and I totally support every jungle event as much as 
possible but the response as of late has been off and on...  

> 
> --star*
> 
> **********************************************************
> star@interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~star
> **********************************************************

-shawn 
misfit

bring the ruckus

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug 29 06:07:34 1996
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The man is GOD......'nuff said!

	Does ANYBODY know if he has a  mixtape out? I have to get it!!
Pete 

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If I remember correctly someone on here is helping throw this party, right?
Anyways, what I'm wondering is what the in/out situation will be, will it be
limited like further, or will it be unlimited, or non-existant?   B/c I'd
really like to go for the weekend, but I also have to work Sat. and Sun.
afternoons, so... I'm not gonna pay 2 or 3 times or whatever....
                        Thanks for any info-            
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Does anyone out there know how long it takes to drive from St. Louis to
Madison?  I've done some sort of road trip the for about the last six
weekends, so I'm not sure I'm up for the drive.  But damn, this party
sounds like it's going to be too good to miss!!!!

Is there anyone in St. Louis (or I guess anywhere right along our route)
that needs a ride?  We might have room for two more.

Four net meets is one day kinda sounds like a lot to me.  I want to meet
as many of you as possible, and it seems that with 4 different meeting
times people could get spread a little thin.  I've only been on mw-raves
for about 3 weeks and I've never been to a "net meet" (I've been going to
parties for at least 3 years, so I could have been right next to one w/o
realizing it :) ), so anyway, I don't really know...

Could we have a potluck dinner like at IO3?  Also, has there been any
discussion yet about where exactly to meet?  We need help from
someone out there familiar with the site.

PLUR!
Tammy




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I think the voice mail says there is full in and out privileges. Awesome!

Joy and us (Skylab2000) are both playing Friday night, so maybe if there's a
net meet we can join.. 

We're off tonight and will see you people there tomorrow.. Looking forward
to it!

Never been to the midwest... I hope you guys are as crazy as I 've heard.

peace

  |_e_/    Dennis Barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com>
    )      Skylab2000 : Paperboy2000 : Mushroom Nation
   \/\     Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
     /     http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/brainforest
   


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well it appears i WILL yes thats WILL be at ED...i know i promised ppl in 
mnpls that i would be back up on and off over the summer to visit but of 
course i spoke before i knew what my situation was going to actually be 
here. bleah. so anyway now i'm finally making good on that promise and 
will be ready to hit mnpls and hear the rediculous amount of sound that 
will be there. hoo hah.

soooooo chris, xavier, jon(you unsubbed:P yuo dont get to read this), 
kenyeh, umm everybody that i haven't met in mnpls or those i know and 
haven't seen, LOOK for me! cuz i'll be looking for you:)

cheers,
dylan

_______________________________________________________________________
| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            |
| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            |
| http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/g056/bryn0017/ (midwest jungle page)      |
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                          ...calling ALL nucleoids...
         - coming in november: network 23 & the big boys club present -


    __________  ___ ______  __________  ___________  __________  ____  ____
   |    __    ||    |     ||    __    ||           ||    __    ||    \|    |
   |    ||    ||    |\____||    ||    ||____   ____||    ||    ||     |    |
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                               -[  P R O T O N  ]-

                              sat.nov.2.1996.12mid
                                 columbus . ohio

                                      * * *

                         sub-atomic particle seperators
                              [  DJs on the BOX ]

                                S L E E P Y - C
                   pyschoactive, AdVanced Architecture, sm:)e
                                  -cleveland-

                                O M E G A M A N
                       definitive, AdVanced Architecture
                                   -detroit-

                             D J   K E V Y   K E V
                            network 23, kg2, the rat
                                   -columbus-

                                 D O U G H B O Y
                                   ele_mental
                                   -columbus-

                                  S P I N B O Y
                                  illuminators
                                    -dayton-

                                      * * *

               BOOMin BASS * FULL light show * & otha COOL SHIT!
                            ( details forthcoming )


           **********************************************************
         *                                                            *
        *  a head-on all-nite pure energy sonic blast that'll take us  *
        *              back to the way we used to do it!               *
         *                                                            *
           **********************************************************


                       watch HERE for updates and info
             plus check out the PROTON web site ( online sept3 ) at:

                        http://www.coil.com/~kg2/proton

          or call the network23 information database at 614.780.8044







                                      * * *

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Allright folks.. listen and learn from my mistakes.


        If you have equipment, ie, turntables, etc.  Don't let people use
them unless you are RIGHT THERE.  Why?  I'll tell you a story.  I had a
friend.  His name was Jeremy.  He is an incredible dj, prolly the best I've
ever heard.  He does the music for himself, is not interested in fame, and
is dedicated to music.  He had some gear that I wanted to borrow, a mixer
and a sequencer.  I agreed to let him used my decks in exchange.  I figured
I could trust the guy.  He treats his gear well, so why not?  I used his
gear happily, and kept it in perfect shape.  I returned his gear back, and
expected my decks to be in similar shape.  (they were perfect when I let
him use them)   WRONG.  They are FUCKED.
They are scratched to shit, they were COVERED in DUST.  He burned INCENSE
on them!!  HE STICKERED THEM!!  THE MOTHERFUCKER SPILLED BEER ON THEM!


Learn from this.  trust no one.


grrr..

hey.. anyone have a sampler I could borrow?  You could use my turntables if
you want.  argh.





                                               -jp

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                                               <randomly stimulating>



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                          ...calling ALL nucleoids...
         - coming in november: network 23 & the big boys club present -


    __________  ___ ______  __________  ___________  __________  ____  ____
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                               -[  P R O T O N  ]-

                              sat.nov.2.1996.12mid
                                 columbus . ohio

                                      * * *

                         sub-atomic particle seperators
                              [  DJs on the BOX ]

                                S L E E P Y - C
                   pyschoactive, AdVanced Architecture, sm:)e
                                  -cleveland-

                                O M E G A M A N
                       definitive, AdVanced Architecture
                                   -detroit-

                             D J   K E V Y   K E V
                            network 23, kg2, the rat
                                   -columbus-

                                 D O U G H B O Y
                                   ele_mental
                                   -columbus-

                                  S P I N B O Y
                                  illuminators
                                    -dayton-

                                      * * *

               BOOMin BASS * FULL light show * & otha COOL SHIT!
                            ( details forthcoming )


           **********************************************************
         *                                                            *
        *  a head-on all-nite pure energy sonic blast that'll take us  *
        *              back to the way we used to do it!               *
         *                                                            *
           **********************************************************


                       watch HERE for updates and info
             plus check out the PROTON web site ( online sept3 ) at:

                        http://www.coil.com/~kg2/proton

          or call the network23 information database at 614.780.8044







                                      * * *

           .were gonna party like it's nineteen-fuckin-ninety-nine.





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Entry   : 3867 (145 words)
Author  : G J Johnson <129291>
Category: Sent <3>
Subject : (= HAPPY HOPPY HIPPY weee! =)
Written : 08/28/96.07:49pm

Attention: DJs and PAs...

We're in the planning stages of throwing a HAPPY, FUN, CAREFREE event in
Phoenix AZ sometime in the near future...

Location: Phoenix, AZ
Date:     Sometime in November.

The theme will be based on two subjects:  a. the board game CANDYLAND and
b. the Japanamation series CANDY.

We want to bring back the childlike lollipop vibe for one nite....complete
with legos, fuzzy clothes, play-doh, props in the above theme, CANDY....kids
stuff!

And we need musik to fit the theme.  Anything HAPPY....bouncy tekno beats,
happy hardcore, children's songs, whatever!  Anything that would put a big
shiny grin on all the kids who show up!

If you spin HAPPY musik, make HAPPY musik, or know someone who
does...leave e-mail for me at the above address.  Or contact me at:

J'eh
PO BOX 87882
PHOENIX, AZ  85080

602.942.6747

Mixtapes and Demos are greatly appreciated!

Thanks!



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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:36:31 -0400
To: house4all@gmx1.com
From: Gary GStyle Morse <gstyle@gmx1.com>
Subject: Announcing: house4all@gmx1.com


*** ANNOUNCING: house4all@gmx1.com (The Efficient Music Mailing List) ***

Finally! An efficient house music Internet mailing list that delivers its
messages in minutes or hours, not days or weeks!

With the recent fall of "so-deep@netcom.com" I realized that people wanted
a place to converse about house music, club culture, DJs, Song IDs, Record
Stores, Parties, Mix Shows, etc, etc, etc ... but the resources that NetCom
had were drastically incapable of keeping up with the technical demands.

So, I have created:  house4all@gmx1.com

house4all is an international email system that sends and receives messages
for its subscribers continuously, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.  No
cumbersome hourly or daily "digest" updates, and no week-long waits (like
with NetCom) for messages.

house4all is hosted on GMX1's high-end multi-processor Sun server
equipment.  The servers are connected to the Internet via a fiber optic DS3
(T3 / 45 megabit) pipe, which connects directly to an OC3 ring (155
megabit) ... Yes, this is no joke.  The administrators maintaining
house4all all have a minimum of 15 years Internet/Unix experience.  So
enjoy our new playground!  :)


. TO SUBSCRIBE TO:  house4all@gmx1.com

  1. Address an email to:  subscribe-house4all@gmx1.com
  2. Send it!

(Your return email address will be the address that receives the house4all
messages)



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That's it!


I hope everyone enjoys this new usable forum...

viva house4all!   :)


Gary GStyle Morse




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>The man is GOD......'nuff said!
>
>        Does ANYBODY know if he has a  mixtape out? I have to get it!!
>Pete 

He has a new mix CD coming out this month on I think React.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Sattinger                                                            
     

new releases :
Verticle Disintegration    by    Timeblind 
  (All Ears : a new record label run by Woody McBride)
Sweet Decay     by     Keek   
 (Head in the Clouds)

Live PA :
Minneapolis, Aug31  Electric Disko (with Laurent Garnier
    and Derrick Carter)
Philadelphia, Sept 15 (with Joey Beltram, 
Adam X, Nigel Richards and Frankie Bones)

dj:
Rave Em and Bailee, Aug 30 Madison
Sept 14, Philadelphia


discography:
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/
satti002/discography.html
?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

US Techno House Business Resource :

http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/
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>so any ideas?...
>
>i suggest a coupla net.meets fer each day...like, say...one around dinner
>time...one at about sunset...one towards the witching hour...and one as
>thangs begin to wind down... this would give us a total of four net.meets a
>day...of which, each individual would (at most) attend two...in my
>guesstamation, anyhow...therefore, it would prolly take kwite a few of em to
>get to meet all (or nearly all) you guys...and i would really like to do so...
>
>so i guess...if this sounds like a desent idea, and one that could be
>realized...lets make some definite plans and firm thangs up...kay?...

Let's do it! Where?  If no one else posts, I propose the entrance, but only 
because I don't know anything about the layout. ;)  


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so i'm calling random friends up here in cleveland, helping kevy
kev do his crash space section of the smile tour web site he's
constructing, when i happen to call my friend april...which just
so happened to be one of the girls that got shot at that party in
detroit last weekend...she's a bit hesitant about going out again
after having a bullet removed from her neck, but considers herself
lucky since she wasn't killed (the other girl who was shot in the
stomach was not as fortunate)...just not too long ago another female
friend of mine was hit in the eye by a cue ball that was thrown
through her windshield...this along w/ many other violent incidents
that have happened to friends of mine have really got me a bit worried.
...i realize many of the harder ravers out there would like to keep
things underground, but when safety becomes an issue, perhaps more 
legal events w/ proper security has become abundantly necessary...
although warehouses are alotta fun to play in, they tend to be located
in pretty bad neighborhoods...and if anything should happen...stevie
remembering the kid tweaked out @ Charm...somebody would have to be
held liable...commercialization is such an ugly word, but it's almost
1997...perhaps it is time for things to change a bit even if it does
mean it will make things a little less 'underground'.

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>Let's do it! Where?  If no one else posts, I propose the entrance, but only 
>because I don't know anything about the layout. ;)  

sounds like the best bet to me...the entrance...rite inside the
entrance...yeah...anyone else wanna agree?...otherwise, ill be theere
waiting in vain... ;P

exact times, anyone?...sugeestions?...

*hugs*


JAWSH!

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going commercial is not the answer, the reason people were hurt in 
detroit was because it was in the middle of _mexicantown_ for chrissakes.
it's almost like _asking_ to be hurt.

and the other person who was shot was shot in the arm, not the stomach.  
as far as i know she made it ok, she was in good spirits when she was 
taken to the hospital, bandaged-up and all. 

not to downplay the negative effect of violence, it's obviously anathema 
to what we're supposed to be about, but on the other hand why don't we 
take a tragedy like this and turn it into something positive?  we should 
use these "close calls" to ask ourselves what we can do to prevent it 
next time or better yet, be prepared next time someone's hurt.  learn 
cpr, basic first aid, keep a blanket in your car, etc.  

you know, what really pissed me off about the whole experience (i was 
there) was not the shootists...they're probably just gang-mentality kids 
who were reacting stupidly to strange people in their neighborhood 
(understandable if unforgivable)...it was the fucking ravers.  many of 
them were only concerned about themselves during the whole thing.  we 
were asked by the police to stay inside the building and like half the 
people inside were bitching!  here was this girl no one knew, on the 
floor bleeding, being cared for by some very concientious souls who kept 
her conscious and did what they could to care for her injury, and all 
these people could do was bitch.  including some people you'd be 
surprised to know.  perhaps they were just reacting to what happened, 
kind of unsure what to think...perhaps they're used to seeing this kind 
of thing on tv...

but this is why i hate ravers (in the derogatory sense).  makes me 
embarrassed to be part of this scene sometimes. 

thanks for reading, i just had to get that out.
++ 
e d

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Subject: party this friday in columbia


"HOUSE PARTY" - with jordan, trix-E and yo - my new neighbors.
friday 8/30/96    
starts around 10pm, goes on until we get tired.
602 Wilkes, Columbia Missouri

My new neighbors wanted to throw a party.   So me (FIST,) Irix (dredded) 
and Relate (visored) are spinning.  This is a chill thing, with cool music
playing (because we are spinning and it wont be some wash-up's tapes with
some washed-out attitude.) This isnt a party which will bring you new
revelations about your place in the world and your role in saving the
world for "Rave" culture, and you will not find "god" here.  It is a party
where people come to hang out and be social.  Its chill. It does have a
price tag... $3 bucks.  That covers equipment costs and then the bar will
be free and open for all to indulge themselves.  It is not a party for
kiddies.  If you can chill, then this is the place.



FIST
"...if it hurts, then you know it was love and goodness and all that 
is wholesome..."





From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug 29 17:41:10 1996
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Hello to everyone.  Just wondering how many ppl are on this list? Is it new??

A little about me.  I am a househead.  Pure and simple.  Always have and 
pretty darn sure always will be (unless someone comes up with something better 
than house...is that possible?).

I'm 26 and I currently live in Minneapolis.  I'm from Pittsburgh and moved 
here 5 months ago.  I'm best familiar w/the DC/B-more rave scene and happy to 
say I was there in the beginning (I guess about 5-6 years ago).

I work as a Sales Rep for an office furniture manufacturer-boring but really 
good $$ and flexible schedule.  I hope to land a job managing the office for 
Deep Dish back in DC.  I'm good friends w/their agent whom I would also be 
working for.  They just need to find a SPACE for this office so in the 
meantime, I'm stuck out in the mid-west.

I've been to great clubs all over the US and in London and Amsterdam so I look 
forward to meeting some new househead friends on this list .  I'm also trying 
to keep up to date w/industry happenings so I have a clue when and if this job 
with Deep Dish materializes.

I hope this will be different from the other lists I'm on.  DC-raves is good 
because ppl are positive and they talk about good issues in the scene, but 
mw-raves really gets on my nerves because there is soooo much bitching and 
complaining.  They post in detail how their night at a party was like they 
have no REAL friends, only virtual friends on the computer!  Sorry if I'm 
offending anyone.  Maybe it's ME that's wrong, but I hope this list will be as 
uplifting as a great house track!!!

Talk to you all soon!!!!
Byeeeeeeeee!!!!

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	Sounds like the good ole days.....wish I was closer. Sounds like 
a great vibe waiting to happen.......god I feel old!
Pete



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> Reply-To: Dan Smith <robi@coe.missouri.edu>
> To: "mo-raves vs. FIST" <mo-raves@nicar.org>,
>         mw-raves <mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com>
> Subject: party this friday in columbia
> 
> 
> "HOUSE PARTY" - with jordan, trix-E and yo - my new neighbors.
> friday 8/30/96    
> starts around 10pm, goes on until we get tired.
> 602 Wilkes, Columbia Missouri
> 
> My new neighbors wanted to throw a party.   So me (FIST,) Irix (dredded) 
> and Relate (visored) are spinning.  This is a chill thing, with cool music
> playing (because we are spinning and it wont be some wash-up's tapes with
> some washed-out attitude.) This isnt a party which will bring you new
> revelations about your place in the world and your role in saving the
> world for "Rave" culture, and you will not find "god" here.  It is a party
> where people come to hang out and be social.  Its chill. It does have a
> price tag... $3 bucks.  That covers equipment costs and then the bar will
> be free and open for all to indulge themselves.  It is not a party for
> kiddies.  If you can chill, then this is the place.
> 
> 
> 
> FIST
> "...if it hurts, then you know it was love and goodness and all that 
> is wholesome..."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug 29 19:23:55 1996
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From: eluna <eluna@coil.com>
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how did i get on this list?

`mafraid i cant handle it, my other lists are more than too much already...

oh, and hi everyone.
++
e d

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 DanReed272@aol.com wrote:

> Hi im DJ Daniel Reed from Syracuse NY. I Would like to tell everyone That i
> Have a radio show on K-ROCK....100.9 in Syracuse and 96.7 in Utica. Anybody
> who knows how to get record companies to send promos...please let me know!
> Thanks...:)
> Daniel Reed
> Phato Productions Syracuse NY
> 

I'm a dj in Toledo Oh. and I have JUST started getting things from reps 
by sending out a weekly playlist without fail. Everytime I get something 
with an e-mail address on it I add them to the list.
	Since I'm in college I also report to CMJ.....but I hear the 
reporting to 'hits' is better.

Happy spinning,
Pete

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Dan Smith wrote:

> Hey, I am FIST.  A house dj amonst other things.
> Anyone on here make their own music?  
> And would you all mind replying to the list the answer to this shrot
> survey.....:
> 1.) Who you are and if you spin.

	Pete Naegele AKA HoJo & Timex Kid



> 2.) Where you are from.

	Toledo, Ohio

> 3.) What kind of house inspires you 
>     and what kind of house you like to listen & dance to.
> 

	I like alot of shit. I started out in the acid house scene in '86 
with Baby Ford & Adamski so I tend to edge that way...however I do like 
to throw down some gabber once in awhile as well as ambient and good old 
noise (like Negativland & old Clock DVA)




> This way we all know who each other are...
> 
> FIST
> 
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug 29 19:42:26 1996
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rite inside entrance sounds cool------ a suggestion for hours might be every
6 hours starting at noon....  then it would be noon, 6pm, midnight, 6 am,
noon again & so on....
--------hopin' this party goes off---------------                PLUR 

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Hi Rochell!!

 ummmm just one question regarding this paragraph...


> I hope this will be different from the other lists I'm on.  DC-raves is good 
> because ppl are positive and they talk about good issues in the scene, but 
> mw-raves really gets on my nerves because there is soooo much bitching and 
> complaining.  They post in detail how their night at a party was like they 
> have no REAL friends, only virtual friends on the computer!  Sorry if I'm 
> offending anyone.  Maybe it's ME that's wrong, but I hope this list will be as 
> uplifting as a great house track!!!
 
 You DO realize this _IS_ mw-raves, don't you?? or did you mean NE-raves 
when you might have accidentally typed mw-raves??? WE wouldn't want you 
to get off on the wrong foot would we?? ;)

 I've been to some pretty awesome clubs in Berlin & Bremen btw, and ahve 
a few friends from the NE/Baltimore/DC scene as well! =)

 Glad to ahve you aboard! =)

-Becky =)


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug 29 20:09:13 1996
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From: Tamzin Grant-McPherson <wu784@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Subject: another unwitting newbie
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... how did I get on this list?  i sure didn't try to!  anyone know what 
the deal is???

-tamzin

On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, eluna wrote:

> how did i get on this list?
> 
> `mafraid i cant handle it, my other lists are more than too much already...
> 
> oh, and hi everyone.
> ++
> e d
> 


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Aug 29 20:28:58 1996
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howdy y'all (just practicing for my return to kentucky ... do i sound
authentic? =)

christian sent this to me and i'm forwarding it to yous guys ...
i sent him the e flier, but if you're planning on going or whatever, just
email him @
<cmatts@artic.edu>.   kewl?  kewl.

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

> whats up?
>  
>  i finally am back up and running. can you do me a favor? find otu if
anyone
>  has posted a eflier for Rightious. this sat. the 30th( i think it might be
>  the 31st, i forget the date>) in chicago, and if theres gona be anet meet,
>  causeim definately gona be there, and for anyone thats going, a lttle
>  secret info its gona be inteh burbs, i think somewhere near Roselle.
>  
>  thanks
>  christian
>  
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  "I know how deep I swim, because I'm drowning-I forget who
>  
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  


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From:	cmatts@artic.edu (simple)
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Date: 96-08-29 03:40:24 EDT


>'s too bad about the email.
>keep in touch, ok?
>peace.
>
>peace love and hugz:)
>:ben

whats up?

i finally am back up and running. can you do me a favor? find otu if anyone
has posted a eflier for Rightious. this sat. the 30th( i think it might be
the 31st, i forget the date>) in chicago, and if theres gona be anet meet,
causeim definately gona be there, and for anyone thats going, a lttle
secret info its gona be inteh burbs, i think somewhere near Roselle.

thanks
christian

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"I know how deep I swim, because I'm drowning-I forget who

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hey.....Ill look for ya & grab the mag...waitin to hear the "distinct"
recognition thing you'll be wearin'.... Im also like 6'1", bald head, black
sunglasses, wear black jeans w/ black polo- (look like a Chicago boy) ----
cant wait 4 the party! Ive got 2 drive all the way there & back though cause
bud who I would let drive my truck backed out...oh well,    Dont Stop The
Disco
---------JP- 

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ok ... how many other people on this list are getting mail from the house
list?
i'm kinda confuzed ... i get mail that says the sender is mw-raves but it's
"from" the house list ....

what's up with that?

peace love and hugz:)
:ben

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HEY!
 I heard something really weird just happened.. I heard that the new house list
somehow had a whole bunch of mailing lists, like tx-raves, ne-raves, and us,
mw-raves subbed to it... Is this true? And if so, can we do anyhitng (JEFF)
about unsubbing?? Because I sure as hell can't handle being on a house list,
when I don't evne LIKE house music that much... I mean, we shoulda subbed
mw-raves to a gabber list or somehting and done it right.. or an acid-list..
*wink*

 -Becky =)


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>I know I don't post to the list very often, but ive been on it for about 
>3 or 4 years now, but I will today since I figure its about time to be
>social. Is everyone going on friday? Me and my group are going to be 
>getting there late Friday night/Saturday Morning.
>
> The guys im taking have never been to 
>a large midwest rave so this will be a new experience for them... they
>aren't clueless about the music, just inexperienced and I'm sure they'll
>want to meet lots of ppl too, and Id rather have em meet net ravers since
>these guys are mostly net junkies themselves.
>
>-Adam

kewlkewlkewl...

but we still need a definite plan...

maybe i should shut up and ferget about it...

*hugs*

JAWSH!

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>not to downplay the negative effect of violence, it's obviously anathema 
>to what we're supposed to be about, but on the other hand why don't we 
>take a tragedy like this and turn it into something positive?  we should 
>use these "close calls" to ask ourselves what we can do to prevent it 
>next time or better yet, be prepared next time someone's hurt.  learn 
>cpr, basic first aid, keep a blanket in your car, etc.  

agreed...a little knowledge can go a long long long long way...we need a few
more kids like the sunphlour ppl...who hang out at parties to help kids with
bad trips/rolls/whatev, with knowledge of lil first aid and such in case its
needed, so on and so forth...im werkin on talkin some kids i know inta doin
this with me...i mean, there sjhouldnt have to be a set group of kids to
call on in phukked up situations... but if thats what it takes to save
lives, vibes, etc., etc....then so be it...if each person did one thang to
keep safe and intelligent, wed move ahead a great deal...

>but this is why i hate ravers (in the derogatory sense).  makes me 
>embarrassed to be part of this scene sometimes. 

i dont think anyone should HATE anyone...maybe eluna meant HATE as HATE or
maybe he meant it as STRING DISLIKE...im not sure...and im not gonna
speculate (ill get myself inta trouble i dont need ;D)...but, IMHO, HATE is
an emotion that should not have been created...but since it is/was...i think
its one we should strive our hardest to stifle... dont get me wrong...im not
wearin roase colored glasses...im, by far, not that naive...but a lil
positive energy goes a long way and does a lot of good...maybe some
education/enlightenment on our own behalf is in order?...spread a lil
knowledge, insight, and love...ya know?...just my two sense, tho...

*hugs*kisses*love*

JAWSH!

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>rite inside entrance sounds cool------ a suggestion for hours might be every
>6 hours starting at noon....  then it would be noon, 6pm, midnight, 6 am,
>noon again & so on....
>--------hopin' this party goes off---------------                PLUR 
>

okay then...

so im takin the innitiative to firm up this net.meet thang...and if im the
only one there...at least ill know i did my best... :)

inside the main gate...every six hours starting at noon...so...at noon, 6
pm, midnite, 6 am...just as bassmuzik said...sounds like the best bet...

yall be there...or yall sukk... :P

;)

*hugs*

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Hey.  I'm going, and i know that several others on this list are also
going.  If you're interested in meeting up, and I've not already spoken
with you, feel free to mail me w/ a physical description or whatever. 
i'll do the same, and will have scouts on the lookout for ya.  (Just ask
Randy--osiris--about my netraver scouts...they do very good work.)  
Or maybe *gasps* we could arrange a netmeet or something.
I have found, however, that I tend to meet more people and end up having
spur-of-the-moment meets more easily if nothing is actually planned.
Mom always told me I was a "free-thinker."  
Hope to hear from you here and see you there!

Always,
Erinaceous

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 DanReed272@aol.com wrote:

> actually..i was first, and because noone was here, my mail was returned!
> anyway...
> im DANIEL REED
> HOUSE DJ FROM SYRACUSE NY!
> Phat o productions
> I play HaPpY hOuSe, progressive, HARD, and deep house
> I also play some trance
> 
> I LOVE ALL TYPES OF HOUSE:)

Gabber House is the best! 
How did I get on this list anyways?


    daniel k. taylor          | "...I feel much better now."
    rotterdan@hardcorps.org   |    HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Joe LeSesne wrote:
> > 
> ditto, I am a junglist and I ain't even on the breaks list. I don't know 
> how or why I got subscribed to this but please take me off.

Joe, Don't even pretend like you didn't subscribe to the HouseHead 
mailing list. And stop acting like you are one of those "junglist"...cuz 
we all know you like deep house

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, wes. wrote:

> 
> i did not sub to this list and do not want to be on this list..i dont 
> even like fucking house..
> 
> cheers.
> wes.

whats the matter wes?  you can't handle 10k peices of email a day? ;)

    daniel k. taylor          | "...I feel much better now."
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Okay for those that dont know, every rave related list on the net
was subbed to:

house4all@gmx1.com

I contacted the site where gmx1.com is run out of this evening at 11:30pm
CST and talked to a system administrator. He is going to berate the gmx1.com
people who run house4all, since it seems that this was fully intentional on
their part. 

If all goes well, gmx1.com will get taken off the net for creating massive
spam...

Until this happens (he said the morning, which is pretty general) I would
ask all of you to *not* post any more messages to house4all@gmx1.com as it 
ends up on THOUSANDS of mailboxes around the world. Thanks.

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On 29 Aug 96 at 21:56, eluna wrote:

> how did i get on this list?
> 
> `mafraid i cant handle it, my other lists are more than too much
> already...
> 
> oh, and hi everyone.
> ++
> e d
> 


i didn't know i was on this list, but i'll stay until i can't handle it

but it's *really* rude to put someone on a list without thier knowledge.

if i signed up some time ago, i forgot about it, sorry.

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usubscribe me please.

---

"in the beginning there was jack, and jack had a groove, and from
this groove came the groove of all grooves. and while one day
viciously throwing down in his box, jack boldly declared, 'let
there be house', and house music was born. 'i am, you see, i am
the creator, and this is my house, and in my house there is only
house music. but i am not so selfish, because once you've been to
my house, it then becomes our house and our house music. and you
see, no one man owns house, because house music is a universal
makeup spoken and understood by all. you see, house is a feeling,
and no one can understand the feeling unless he's deep into our
house. house is an uncontrollable desire to jack your body, and 
as i told you before, this is our house and our house music, and
every cop should understand that for the people. and in this house
of the people is jack. now some of you might wonder, who is jack
and what it is that jack does. jack is the one who gives you the
power to test your body, jack is the one who gives you the power
to do a state, jack is the one who gives you the key to the way
we were, jack is the one who learns you how to work your body, jack
is the one that can bring nations and nations of all peoples together
under one house. you may be black, you may be white, you may be jew
or gentile, it don't make no difference in our house..."
- "Can You Feel It" - Fingers Inc - Traxx Chicago 1987

"the only way to win is not to play..."
- Joshua - WAR GAMES

"silly rabbit tricks are for kids..."
- commercial for Trixx cereal

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it's back! I haven't lost the ability to dance like I thought I had! Thank
you depth probe!  

BTW, if anyone of you are ever in minneapolis and there's a depth probe
going on, DON'T miss it!  It's guaranteed to be a wonderful time, despite
the fact that the DJs are all JT or Kevin Cole in disguise ;-P  (maybe
not... I'm just joking!)

anyways, my tired-as-hell body's never been so excited for a party as it
is for elektrik disko.... 

I also found a VERY good source of copying for the zine... Look for MASS
quantities to be distributed at elektrik disko!

chris e 

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someone mentioned an all jungle pre-party for e.d. that would be happening
in mpls on friday night. does anyone have the info on this? please? :)

-kc


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>On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Dan Smith wrote:
>
>> Hey, I am FIST.  A house dj amonst other things.
>> Anyone on here make their own music?  
>> And would you all mind replying to the list the answer to this shrot
>> survey.....:
>> 1.) Who you are and if you spin.


        Josh Decker (of 'the minneapolis idea project')
        a.k.a. DJ Josh Frolik


>> 2.) Where you are from.


        minneapolis, minnesota, usa


>> 3.) What kind of house inspires you 
>>     and what kind of house you like to listen & dance to.


        dont spin house...i spin trip hop and funky acid shit...
        as far as house that inspires me and house i like to listen
to?...deep house...


>> This way we all know who each other are...
>> 
>> FIST
>> 
>> 
>
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>someone mentioned an all jungle pre-party for e.d. that would be happening
>in mpls on friday night. does anyone have the info on this? please? :)
>
>-kc

the jungle preparty by JVC has been postponed...fer info on when itll be
call JVC at 612.257.7058...

*hugs*

JAWSH!

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duh...im stoopid...

scuse me fer not noticing much of anythang bout this new house list...im
dumb...i posted replies to that list on the mwraves list...ooops...my bad...

sawrry all...

*hugs*

JAWSH!

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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, eluna wrote:

> you know, what really pissed me off about the whole experience (i was 
> there) was not the shootists...they're probably just gang-mentality kids 
> who were reacting stupidly to strange people in their neighborhood 
> (understandable if unforgivable)...it was the fucking ravers.  many of 
> them were only concerned about themselves during the whole thing.  we 
> were asked by the police to stay inside the building and like half the 
> people inside were bitching!  here was this girl no one knew, on the 
> floor bleeding, being cared for by some very concientious souls who kept 
> her conscious and did what they could to care for her injury, and all 
> these people could do was bitch.  including some people you'd be 
> surprised to know.  perhaps they were just reacting to what happened, 
> kind of unsure what to think...perhaps they're used to seeing this kind 
> of thing on tv...


That reminds me of the actions of many at the first Interstellar Outback 
when Chinagrrl overdosed on some synthetic heroin.  Just stupid stupid 
stupid reactions from a lot of people.

"What?!?!  What do you mean you're only going to have the music on for 
an hour?!?  I just paid all this money and now I can't dance because some 
dumb bitch OD's?  Fuck that!!!"

And so on and so forth...

Just ignorance, plain and simple...

We are the only people looking out for each other as far as helping out 
in times of need.  If we don't look out for each other, who else will?  
Ya know??!  =)

A lot of the cops won't.  Some do but Serve and Protect is a strange motto..

-shawn
misfit


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can anyone give me some details on this party happening in either
columbus
or akron in mid september.  I was apparently supposed to spin, along
with
charlie chan from st louis, but I dont know what happened.  The girl who
I talked to has disappeared.  If anyone knows anything about whatever
the
heck it is that i'm talking about, please try to clue me in.

---Cylert

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*************************************************************************
"in the beginning there was jack, and jack had a groove, and from
this groove came the groove of all grooves. and while one day
viciously throwing down in his box, jack boldly declared, 'let
there be house', and house music was born. 'i am, you see, i am
the creator, and this is my house, and in my house there is only
house music. but i am not so selfish, because once you've been to
my house, it then becomes our house and our house music. and you
see, no one man owns house, because house music is a universal
makeup spoken and understood by all. you see, house is a feeling,
and no one can understand the feeling unless he's deep into our
house. house is an uncontrollable desire to jack your body, and 
as i told you before, this is our house and our house music, and
every cop should understand that for the people. and in this house
of the people is jack. now some of you might wonder, who is jack
and what it is that jack does. jack is the one who gives you the
power to test your body, jack is the one who gives you the power
to do a state, jack is the one who gives you the key to the way
we were, jack is the one who learns you how to work your body, jack
is the one that can bring nations and nations of all peoples together
under one house. you may be black, you may be white, you may be jew
or gentile, it don't make no difference in our house..."
- - "Can You Feel It" - Fingers Inc - Traxx Chicago 1987
****************************************************************************
I dig the ideology, sounds kinda like the bullshit I see on the back of many
Chicago flyers, you know, the smiley stuff that the promoters put to attract
smily ravers, even though the promoters dont know the first thing about
unified groove.
Unfortunately, Traxx hasn't changed his set since 1987 ;0<-----HION


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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 HION@cris.com wrote:

> - - "Can You Feel It" - Fingers Inc - Traxx Chicago 1987
> ****************************************************************************
> I dig the ideology, sounds kinda like the bullshit I see on the back of many
> Chicago flyers, you know, the smiley stuff that the promoters put to attract
> smily ravers, even though the promoters dont know the first thing about
> unified groove.
> Unfortunately, Traxx hasn't changed his set since 1987 ;0<-----HION
> 
erm...now ok i'm not a big proponent of house, per se, but i want to 
clear a few things up- one, that track is still amazing IMO, very 
inspirational, and speaks to what house is supposed to be about.  not at 
all bullshit, in fact i'd say it's the most genuine statement i've heard 
made in the rave scene (and this track was made before parties were going 
down in chitown anyway) to date.  if you have heard it, you know what i 
mean... 

chicago promoters should listen to it a couple times and think hard 
before they throw their next party.

secondly that's traxx records, not traxx the DJ...

deep diva house til the break of dawn y'all:P

cheers,
dylan
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| dylan bryne  dj ricochet                                            |
| bryn0017@gold.tc.umn.edu                                            |
| http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/g056/bryn0017/ (midwest jungle page)      |
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Saturday, August 31st
at the lakefront in Milwaukee, WI
among the drunken masses at Maritime Days
(one of many weekend festivals in the brew city)

       WMSE 91.7FM's Latenight Beet Generation will be broadcasting 
		Live and Direct from the weather protected
	MEGA TENT. We will assimilate all breathing creatures and
			  MAKE THEM DANCE!!!

	Disc Jockeys in the tent will be...

	DNA ... Caffine ... NY
		Huggie ... Global Energy Muzic ... LA
			DJ Brain ... Brainlab ... MKE
	& the Pleasure UNIT DJ squad DJ Steven Kaye and StevenJ

Show starts as soon as we get shit set up after 8PM and goes 'til midnight
Cost for this is absolutely nothing... of course you have to pay to get
into Maritime days tho & I think that's only 3$ or so...

We've been broadcasting for the last three years from the festival with a
great turnout of a really broad/mixed crowd... if you're in the area I
urge you to come down. If you live in the area and cannot make it we will
be broadcassting the entire show (as usual) on WMSE 91.7FM.

I hope some of ya can make it...

sk

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>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 02:32:26 +0100
>To:syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
>From:topher@france-techno.fr
>Subject:Re: violence sux
>
>>so i'm calling random friends up here in cleveland, helping kevy
>>kev do his crash space section of the smile tour web site he's
>>constructing, when i happen to call my friend april...which just
>>so happened to be one of the girls that got shot at that party in
>>detroit last weekend...she's a bit hesitant about going out again
>>after having a bullet removed from her neck, but considers herself
>>lucky since she wasn't killed (the other girl who was shot in the
>>stomach was not as fortunate)...just not too long ago another female
>>friend of mine was hit in the eye by a cue ball that was thrown
>>through her windshield...this along w/ many other violent incidents
>>that have happened to friends of mine have really got me a bit worried.
>>...i realize many of the harder ravers out there would like to keep
>>things underground, but when safety becomes an issue, perhaps more
>>legal events w/ proper security has become abundantly necessary...
>>although warehouses are alotta fun to play in, they tend to be located
>>in pretty bad neighborhoods...and if anything should happen...stevie
>>remembering the kid tweaked out @ Charm...somebody would have to be
>>held liable...commercialization is such an ugly word, but it's almost
>>1997...perhaps it is time for things to change a bit even if it does
>>mean it will make things a little less 'underground'.
>>
>
>Yo !
>
>You have all our support !
>
>I know it's ridiculous, but here in France, it is a message of peace that
>is conveyed with the music (even though there's no particular reason for
>that !...)
>Which is good since there's not one fight in a 10,000 people rave.
>All the highly undesirable individuals are gently told not come in by
>security people hired for the evening (even in underground raves) and they
>usually don't insist 'cause the security dudes have good arguments...
>
>Anyway, I think that if so many people find their way to the rave, it's
>probably because it is too easily accessible and there's too much
>publicity about it.
>
>If the site was at a 2-hour drive in a deserted place, there'd be no-one
>to come piss you off and all the die-hard ravers would follow if they know
>that it's safe.
>
>I probably see it too much from a European point of view 'cause problems
>of this kind don't happen very often and I'm not familiar with the
>american laws (plus they vary from state to state !). But, if you go do
>that up in the mountains, you have the written authorization of the
>landowner (whatever it costs...) and there's no neighbor around that could
>complain for the noise, safety regulations are observed towards the gear
>and all that, and there's no drugs going 'round...
>Well, then, the cops shouldn't have anything to say about that !!
>That's how we do it here anyway, plus we are usually very aware of the law
>regarding what the cops can and can't do and the rights that we have.
>STUDY THE LAW !!! YOU HAVE RIGHTS, GODDAMN IT !!!!
>
>You don't need to have those parties in warehouses of bad neighborhoods,
>there's nothing like a nice open space to rave all night...
>
>And don't forget !! You gotta fight !... For your right !!... To
>paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarty !!!.........
>
>
>                                         Take care,
>
>                                         Topher.

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What does BTW stand for ???

                                     Sorry for asking,

                                     Topher.

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I   Running through the mini-mall in my underwear.                             I
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I   I didn't have no teeth, so I stole his gun                                 I
I   And I crawled out the window with my shadow on a spoon,                    I
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Aug 30 13:48:00 1996
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From: syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
To: topher@france-techno.fr, mw-raves@hyperreal.com
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BTW = by the way
IRL = in real life
IOW = in other words

there are other net abbreviations but i can't think of 'em now.
gotta go to columbus & help christa move now...

BTW kevy kev i'll give u call when i get in town.

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From: Chris Sattinger <satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> (Chris Sattinger)
Subject: Re: violence sux
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>>>...i realize many of the harder ravers out there would like to keep
>>>things underground, but when safety becomes an issue, perhaps more
>>>legal events w/ proper security
I was right in front of Glam Slam (mpls. club) just after someone was shot.
  It happens regardless of the level of undergroundedness or security.    


>...commercialization is such an ugly word, but it's almost
>>>1997...perhaps it is time for things to change a bit even if it does
>>>mean it will make things a little less 'underground'.

I think everyone has talked themselves into a tizzy over this stuff.   
What we (or you) are calling underground and what you are calling
commercialization are not really all that absolute.
Raves are not underground if you under the age of 20, if you are over that
age, you scratch your head and go "had no idea this was going on". 
Therefore its underground ?    Polka is underground, free jazz is
underground.   
These words are completely useless, they have been drained of meaning.

Raves keep to this stupid credo of "underground" (NOT !) word of mouth and
flyering.     Commercialized like rock music ?    many rock shows have less
advertising than these raves.
imho at one point this system of spreading the scene gathered together a
good group of hard core people that supported each other.   family.
Now it is sprawling, drug driven.     The hardcore elite are inbred.
The opposite of this situation is not "commercialization", its not selling out. 
The object as far as I see it is to get cool and interesting and positive
people into the scene and keep them interested and in the scene.    To this
end, the current system of contact and information is backfiring.   
New tactics, new style.     
No, I won't tell you my marketing ideas ;)
Its not about money, its about people.   Its certainly not about the
obsolete "underground" or the big old scary "commercialization".    Its
about the spirit of the party and the music.    Fuck the "underground".


>>I know it's ridiculous, but here in France, it is a message of peace that
>>is conveyed with the music (even though there's no particular reason for
>>that !...)
>>Which is good since there's not one fight in a 10,000 people rave.

Somebody was telling me about a book about football (soccer) hooligans.  
At the end of the book ( a history of the big 80s era of violence, fights ,
deaths, stadiums being trashed) he says that many of the people who would
have ended up in the soccer holligan scene ended up getting into raves.    
They worked out their physical energy by dancing and taking ecstacy.     
Presumably hardcore, but I suppose I can see the big brutes kickin it to
house music.

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Chris Sattinger                                                            
     

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Live PA :
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    and Derrick Carter)
Philadelphia, Sept 15 (with Joey Beltram, 
Adam X, Nigel Richards and Frankie Bones)

dj:
Rave Em and Bailee, Aug 30 Madison
Sept 14, Philadelphia


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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 IMQuirk@aol.com wrote:

> ok ... how many other people on this list are getting mail from the house
> list?
> i'm kinda confuzed ... i get mail that says the sender is mw-raves but it's
> "from" the house list ....

yeah me too, im just gonna unsub i guess, heck I've already got nuff mail 
to read.
mike

> 
> what's up with that?
> 
> peace love and hugz:)
> :ben
> 

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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> BTW = by the way
> IRL = in real life
> IOW = in other words
> 

  LOL = laughing on line
  ROTFL = rolling on the floor laughing


I think


Pete

What's on? Your mind?




> there are other net abbreviations but i can't think of 'em now.
> gotta go to columbus & help christa move now...
> 
> BTW kevy kev i'll give u call when i get in town.
> 
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 01:07:09 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: IMPORTANT - BASSRUSH



Okay... sorry that the Subject is a little deceiving... It's kinda
important for me and two friends of mine.  Um... The 3 of us need a ride
to Bassrush, because the ride that we were gonna go with isn't available
anymore... She said that she was gonna leave on Friday afternoon, but
neither I nor Trevor(412) (one of the peeps, along with his girlfriend)
could get off work.  :(

So... I guess what I'm doing is *BEGGING* for a ride to Bassrush.  We
definitely would cover *ALL* tolls and *ALL* gas money for there and
back... and of course we can bring them thar mix tapes for you listening
enjoyment.  Um... We're in Pittsburgh... not far at all from downtown
Pittsburgh... We'd like to know anytime up until the time you'd be
leaving... 

Um... you can reach me through email anytime... (of course)... or call me
anytime after 10:15pm today (Friday) or Saturday morning... (412) 767-5409
or you can call Trevor anytime after 6:30, I believe, at (412) 361-4103...

We totally would appreciate this, not only for our sakes, but because
Bassrush is on Trevor's g/f's birthday, and she really wants to go!  I
think that's awesome!  But anyway... I guess that's all... Hopefully we'll
hear from someone out there soon.  

*Huggles & Smoochies* 

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Subject: pirate radio, commercialization of the scene, etc... (fwd)


In light of the recent politicaly correct "keep it underground" threads 
I've seen here recently I thought I'd re-post this for a somewhat 
alternative viewpoint.

joe187

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From: Allison Thurman <athurman@crl.com>
To: raver187@m-net.arbornet.org
Subject: pirate radio, commercialization of the scene, etc...

ive been reading these threads with some interest, so i thought id mail.

i think the reason people are worried about commercialization of the rave 
scene are twofold. first, that whole mentality of being cutting edge - i 
remember high school when my "alternative" friends and i would worship a 
new  band *until* they hit the top 40. then all of the sudden it wasnt 
"ours" anymore, and if we listened to the band it meant that we werent on 
the cutting edge of music anymore. later on i realized this was silly - 
its *nice* to turn on a radio and hear something i actually  *like* (as 
long as its not every third song the station plays!). also if the 
musician/producer makes more money it means they can devote less time 
worrying about how to feed themselves and more to making good music.

the other concern is somewhat more justified. rave promoters who are out 
to make a buck have a reputation for doing *whatever it takes* to make 
that buck, even if it means lying about who will be spinning or serving 
alcohol or what have you. im not familiar with the scene here (dc/balt) 
yet, but back in atlanta i met promoters who would serve free beer "to 
get more underage kids who dont want to be carded" and lately another 
promoter has put union jack on his flyers and voice mail for his past 3 
parties knowing they werent going to come. perhaps this is different in 
other parts of the country; lonnie in baltimore seems to be able to 
throw a huge party without any loss of integrity.

i would be pressed to figure out what it would take to get many ravers 
past these aversions. it would be nice to expose others to the rave 
community, people who might not be able to hear about it otherwise. imho 
those who rave to try and get laid, to do drugs, or because its the 
latest "cool" thing to do will eventually fall out of it, and those who 
truly feel the vibe will stay. im also divided as to my own opinion of 
"keeping it underground" vs. expanding - i can see the arguments against 
spreading the word, but at the same time its just so selfish to turn 
raving into a cliquey club of identical thinking people - variety is good!

i have many other thoughts on this but no time to write them down. just 
thought id think out loud a little...

allison




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On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 topher@france-techno.fr wrote:

> What does BTW stand for ???
> 
>                                      Sorry for asking,
> 
>                                      Topher.
that would be:

 By The Way

;)





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FullScope presents the X-Files.

Saturday August 31 in Omaha Nebraska.

25KWatts of sound.  New Location.

With me, cyberjive, and a few others I can't remember. :)

Call 402-691-6620 for info, etc.  Presales are sold out!

-Dylan Drazen.


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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 IMQuirk@aol.com wrote:

> ok ... how many other people on this list are getting mail from the house
> list?
> i'm kinda confuzed ... i get mail that says the sender is mw-raves but it's
> "from" the house list ....
> what's up with that?
> peace love and hugz:)
> :ben

i think everyone on mwraves was signed on to this mailing list. i'd like
to be REMOVED from the "house mailing list" if anyone in charge of it is
listening...


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From: Chris Sattinger <satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> (Chris Sattinger)
Subject: ELECTRIC DISCO 20$ 20$ 20$
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Apparantly there has been rumours that ED was 28, not so !
20$    confirmed.
phat as hell lineup.

I have thought long and hard about this one .....
I really don't want any enemies (that's why I was going to keep quiet),
but let me warn those who need to know that Rave Em and Bail-ee will not
have full sound until Sunday.    Also, there is no schedule for the djs,
and that is just asking for chaos.     "too much hassle" to do a schedule.
Sorry to the Rave Em promoters, but with no schedule, its really not worth
my time driving to Madison to hassle with that.    I am playing live at
Electric Disco right between Woody and Laurent...... ULP.      I think I'll
stay here and practice.  

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Sattinger                                                            
     

new releases :
Verticle Disintegration    by    Timeblind 
  (All Ears : a new record label run by Woody McBride)
Sweet Decay     by     Keek   
 (Head in the Clouds)

Live PA :
Minneapolis, Aug31  Electric Disko (with Laurent Garnier
    and Derrick Carter)
Philadelphia, Sept 15 (with Joey Beltram, 
Adam X, Nigel Richards and Frankie Bones)

dj:
Rave Em and Bailee, Aug 30 Madison
Sept 14, Philadelphia


discography:
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/
satti002/discography.html
?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

US Techno House Business Resource :

http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m082/
satti002/DanceLabel.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 THOMASRA@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:

> HEY!
>  I heard something really weird just happened.. I heard that the new house list
> somehow had a whole bunch of mailing lists, like tx-raves, ne-raves, and us,
> mw-raves subbed to it... Is this true? And if so, can we do anyhitng (JEFF)
> about unsubbing?? Because I sure as hell can't handle being on a house list,
> when I don't evne LIKE house music that much... I mean, we shoulda subbed
> mw-raves to a gabber list or somehting and done it right.. or an acid-list..
> *wink*

Ok here's the deal- some scuzzbag subscribed everybody on every rave list 
in the nation to his stupid mailing list. DO NOT send mail to that 
address, it's going out to thousands of people and they'll all get even 
more clutter in thier mailboxes. It should be shut down by now, or at 
least shortly, I've heard the administrators have been contacted and 
reprimanded. Things should end shortly. 

-j

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeffrey D.Gerard     (Jeff Gage)      http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-gerard/
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> my time driving to Madison to hassle with that.    I am playing live at
> Electric Disco right between Woody and Laurent...... ULP.      I think I'll
> stay here and practice.  

wow! that's quite a nice placement for you then.  I'm very excited for
elektrik disko, and I picked it over rave'em and bail-e for may reasons.
Mainly, elektrik disko seems like a very professionally organized event,

Chris, I'll be right there by the speakers for your performance! good
luck!

chris e

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The zines are all printed.  I'm doing all the cutting, folding, and
stapling myself.  So you know that these zines were assembled with lots of
love and care by yours truly!  (actually, assembled with lots of
frustration and papercuts is more like it)  anyhow, the print run was 700,
about 25 of which I messed up in the process of cutting.  I just realized
how much space they take up when they're folded- I'll have to figure a way
to transport 'em.  I think i'll just put heavy weights on them to make the
folds tighter....

chris, VERY excited about elektrik disko and our zine!


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Aug 31 06:24:45 1996
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if anyone that was in chicago this past night/morning saw cappie, mint, or
casper can you please email me to let me know? i have message on my machine
from 3:30 am with cappie saying that her car broke down and she was screwed,
and i just got home and don't know what's happened to her since then, so i'm
a bit worried.

-kc


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i went out to this party last night, and i wanted to let everyone know that
it is indeed going off, and going off pretty well except it needs more
people. there are two big sound systems, plenty of good lighting and a very
nice argon laser, and i did see one person running around in a gorilla suit,
and two guys doing the blow-fire-from-my-mouth thing. while i don't agree
with the reason the promoter is throwing the party, as i sat there and
looked around at the site i saw a great party dying to happen. it has
everything to make a great party, except a bunch of people to make a real
vibe. if you do go, watch your driving as you get close to the site because
the cops were pulling several people over. 

-kc


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also if anyone has casper/julian's phone number that might help me out. thanks.

-kc


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Subject: full moon party tonight in my back yard
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:55:43 -0500 (CDT)
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To celebrate the remaining full moon and my little brother's 17th 
birthday, there will be a party in my back yard tonight, in Rolla, MO.  
Things start at about 6pm, free snacks, speghetti, birthday cake, etc. 

We've got a decent sound system, about two times the size of the one at 
djpj's bday party.. four turntables + two cd players,  xjn will perform 
live smack, and pj, xjn, and myself will spin (plus anyone else who 
brings music..)

Free and hopefully all night long. It'll be a really beautiful moon.. 
still quite full. 

for directions, email me (rkumar@umr.edu) or call me (573.364.2143).

-raj




i bet i can make this look like a real flyer...:

     A   F U L L   M O O N   G A T H E R I N G

		XJN - LIVE HARDCORE
		 PJ - HIPHOP TRICKS
                RAJ - TRANCE/AMBIENT

		OTHERS T.B.A (MAYBE)

		ROLLA, MO. USA, EARTH
		    573.364.2143
		FOOD PROVIDED
                 BRING VIBE AND STUFF




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> Gary GStyle Morse <gstyle@gmx1.com>
> 
>         that's the guy who created the list, sent the messages to all the
> raves lists and subbed them all...you all know what to do...be sure and tell
> him what you think of him.

thank u for posting this. i just forwarded about 2000 (yes literally)
newsgroup articles to him about such tasteful subjects as prostate
cancer, colostomies, sex with barney, foot fetishes, etc. now he will 
have to dig thru all of it to find the messages from his beloved 
house4all. ha-ha-ha (evil laugh)!!! i hope though that u can't get in 
trouble for doing something like this. but if u can't then i would 
suggest that everybody send him tons of mail like that + he would
never be able (i hope) to get revenge for THIS revenge because it
would be from so many people.
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Aug 31 13:41:27 1996
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From: eluna <eluna@coil.com>
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tonight, sat night, columbus

$5 event

with TREVOR LAMONT
MUTT
GANK
STUFF
MONOCHROME
SETH HOLLAND
+more

11PM-6AM

from the N take 71 S to the 11th ave exit, go R
from the S take 71 N to the 11th ave exit, go L
from E or W take 70 to 71N to the 11th ave exit, go L

stay on 11th ave going W for one mile, take a quick R at the 1st light,
then a quick L onto CHITTENDEN.  stay on chittenden going W through 2
lights and take a L at the dead-end on HIGH ST.  go S for a couple blocks
and take a R on 9th ave.  the space is VIRTUAL OVERDRIVE, located behind
the pager place.  please be careful where you park, towing is always
enforced.  good luck and see some of you there... 
++ 
e d


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Hello

could you please takeme off the distribution list?

my email:    jmdr+@andrew.cmu.edu

Thank you

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From: ericn@ix.netcom.com (Eric Nielsen)
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I have some records for sale, the price for each is open to discussion. Any reasonable 
offer will be accepted. (i.e. - don't expect to get 20 records for $15, or something 
like that.)

Thanks
Eric
DJ Adamjack
ericn@ix.netcom.com


Acid Clan,The - Hazy Groove Experience  -  Electrick records
Acid Jesus -  7A7 / Starseed / Fear  -  Klang Electronik
Anoesis - Blood and Sweat in London  2x12" - D*fusion records
Beroshima - Acid orange (picture disc)  -  Acid Orange 004
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Loud 002 - Tremolo Phasing  -  Fucking Loud
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Naughty & Tolis - Minimal Accent ep. - Ferrox
Nervous Project #3 (Hoschi ) - Labworks  
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Random Logic - Mirago ep. - Matrix Music
Spicelab - Spy VS. Spice - spiceusa 001
Sound Enforcer - Re-enforcement (the remixes) - Rising High
Sweet Reinhard - M - Profan 005
Tangerine Dream - Atem
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Tei, Towa - Technova 2x12" (includes josh wink mix) - Elektra
Tension Music vol.2
Todd Terry - A Day on the Life - Ministry of Sound
Trigger - Pipemania - Truelove eletronic Communications
Utah Saints - Ohio - ffrr
Wild West - Terraforma - Plink Plonk
Taylor and Zamani - Planet of Drums 01 - Copyright Control




From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Aug 31 22:14:58 1996
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Hello,

Late Thursday evening (August 29, 1996) there was a error made with a
mailing list (house4all@gmx1.com) from our domain (gmx1.com).  We sincerely
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They all have been removed.  Swift action was taken to remedy this situation.

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From: dj@tier.net (DJ m.j.DUKE)
Subject: URANUS: October 12, 1996


Check this out, and pleeeze sign the guestbook!
All the info you could possibly want, and more...

http://www.tier.net/duke/uranus.htm

PLUR



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On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, roger kumar wrote:

> To celebrate the remaining full moon and my little brother's 17th 
> birthday, there will be a party in my back yard tonight, in Rolla, MO.  
> Things start at about 6pm, free snacks, speghetti, birthday cake, etc. 

I almost went to school at Rolla!  That was one of the first schools I 
visted many-a-year ago.  I think it's dope you guys are throwing parties...

-shawn
misfit

Big up the Missouri-Rolla Miners!

> 
-raj > 
> 
> 
> 
> i bet i can make this look like a real flyer...:
> 
>      A   F U L L   M O O N   G A T H E R I N G
> 
> 		XJN - LIVE HARDCORE
> 		 PJ - HIPHOP TRICKS
>                 RAJ - TRANCE/AMBIENT
> 
> 		OTHERS T.B.A (MAYBE)
> 
> 		ROLLA, MO. USA, EARTH
> 		    573.364.2143
> 		FOOD PROVIDED
>                  BRING VIBE AND STUFF
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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