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again, sorry for the spamassive xpost, but the initial version of
ROTATOR LOCATOR, the online music store guide is now finally online at:

http://hyperreal.com/music/rotator/

 Sorry for the delay, but it turned out to be significantly more of an
 undertaking than i had figured.

 Have quite a few entries from all of you, muchos gracias.  Markets
 which are notably under-represented right now include: LA, Chicago,
 Detroit, Boston, Paris, Brussels, Germany, Tokyo.  Please check it out,
 and hit the "SUBMIT" button to submit yer favorite rotation location
 nomination.

 I plan to make periodic "block" updates, once I receive about 20 or so
 new entries.



happy new year & peeeeeeeeeeeeeece,


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This is for anybody who knows anything about the CHICAGO RAVE SCENE!  ok,
first of all i want to know is how commercialized are they going to get, i
mean what happpened to all the true Ravers?  it's kinda sad when you go to
one and during the few hours you actually dance before they get busted, your
being looked at by Buffies, and people who do not belong there like YOUR the
person who is crazy and shouldn't be there!  If you want to RAVE at least
please understand what a  REAL RAVE is suppossed to be and what a TRUE RAVER
is!  It's turning into Breederville and Preppyville USA!! Somebody PLEASE
tell me it's not going to do this to the Birth place of HOUSE/TECHNO?  I want
to still have Pride when i say YES I AM a RAVER!!!!  HELP CHICAGO..

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I think Raver76 is right.   The Chicago rave scene has gone down so far the
hopes of pulling it back anytime soon is next to impossible.  We have
completely lost sight of why we started throwing parties in the first place.
 They're no longer about love and unity, more llike drugs and money.... I
think its a line of crap and until I see some major changes from both the
promoters and the "ravers" I don't think its worth the money I work hard to
earn..... PEACE & LOVE

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan  1 19:55:16 1996
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Does anyone know of any parties on 1.13.96, particularly in ohio?  It's my
birthday, I want to go to a party somewhere, and the only one on the calendar
is in Toronto, and I don't really want to go that far.

peace,
darrik

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 Well..like everyone else said this party was just total madness. My 
favorites sets were Feelgood and Scott Henry, who both played incredible 
stuff in the final hours of the party. Unfortunately by then my legs were 
so sore I could barely walk, much less dance. It was over about 10. 
Usually by 8 or 9 I get kind of bored of being in the same place and need 
a change, but in this case I could have stayed there for a month or so. 
Maybe someone should work on that...a month-long party. Well anyway, my 
two complaints - the sound was too loud. It didn't seem too loud when I 
first got there, but by 9 in the morning my ears hurt so much I couldn't 
even stay in the main room. Even now I am hearing all sorts of crazy 
ringing noises still. I spent most of the night in the back of the room 
by the net-meet space. It seems like the speakers in the back were mostly 
bass and the ones on the other side of the room were mostly treble. I'm 
not sure why, I'd guess its the distance, but the treble sounds from 
across the room were just a split second behind the bass beats on my 
side. That nearly drove me insane, but once I went to the middle of the 
floor everything was fine.
 I can't even begin to list the number of people I met, both net-ravers 
and others. And there was also a bunch of hoods trying to get me to sell 
them dust even though I kept trying to explain to them that I didn't have 
any. I don't quite understand it, they said "dust?" to me as I walked by. 
I said "no thanks", they said how much for a bag, I repeated that I did 
not have any, and then they began to beg me to sell them some - rather 
bizarre.
 In summary, this party was incredible, like nothing I'd ever been to 
before. Can't wait for the next Ultraworld party.
Eric



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anybody who went have any reviews?   i would of loved to have gone, just went
to some hotel party instead.   ohhh fun.   anyways hope you had fun and have
a neato funkay new year.  
peace.
"design"
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for historical reasons and for lack of confusion.//

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mindkiss sed:
=================================================================
Does anyone know of any parties on that day, cuz it's my birthday and I want
to go to a party.  AOL sucks, and it won't let me get to the calendar, so if
anyone knows of any parties in the pb-cle area or any of ohio really, could
you post it?  The only one on the mw calendar is in toronto and that's a bit
far.

peace,
darrik
==================================================================

only party i know of on 1/13/96 is FATHOM 2 in Nashville, TN with:
DJ Dan, Terry Mullan, Feelgood, The Professor, Jeff Feller, Bell Ray 
Hugh, & more. info: 615.780.3730.

no party in ohio that i know of scheduled for 1/13/96 yet.

next big ohio party: FREAK SHOW in dayton, ohio on 2/10/96 with:
John Aquaviva, Sleepy C, Doughboy, Jinx, Puddin, & Bob. info:
513.879.5291.

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On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 Mushii78@aol.com wrote:

> I think Raver76 is right.   The Chicago rave scene has gone down so far the
> hopes of pulling it back anytime soon is next to impossible.  We have
> completely lost sight of why we started throwing parties in the first place.
>  They're no longer about love and unity, more llike drugs and money.... I
> think its a line of crap and until I see some major changes from both the
> promoters and the "ravers" I don't think its worth the money I work hard to
> earn..... PEACE & LOVE

Hmm... well, i think the legality so far has been great... but it needs 
money to be legal. keep the music great and the scene shall be ok. the 
quality of music must always go higher and higher, and more and more 
people are coming in. just blacklist the bad providers, support quality, 
and it'll be ok.


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan  1 23:37:59 1996
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I'm sorry to all straight people who got offended by what i said, i figured
that everybody would know what i meant.. I love STRAIGHT, GAY, BISEXUAL, and
every other kind of people who are RAVERS, but i meant that when you have
ignorant stuck up snobs trying to fit in next to you talking about everybody
calling them freaks, etc.. it gets alittle bit annoying.. especially when
your there to make a culture of DIFFERENT people ALL TOGETHER as ONE!  I
didn't mean to offend anybody and i'm sorry if I came off the wrong way with
my message...  PEACE/LOVE/DANCE

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decadance - Rockford, Il. 
 dec31-jan1 1996

held in a never before used space (not just virgin space, but a 
building that was *brand* new, a sports complex).  i wish i had 
before and after photos. heh.

about 2500 ppl kept the space from being too jampacked to move, but 
nice and full.

the only dj's i've comments on are minddrive and sleepy-c as they're 
the only two "sets" i heard in almost twelve hours of that racket.
minddrive:   his stuff 
is hard but he keeps it from getting too cluttered...the only dj to 
force me to dance all night.
sleepy-c:  to me, sleepy-c is dj chocolate chip cooky...you just 
gotta like him.  it may not be your favorite, but if ya 
absolutely hate it, _you_ are the wierd one and not the rest of us.  
his stuff was really pretty.  although i was too worn to dance at 
that point, it was excellent music for bobbing my head to in the back 
of the room.

i will say this about the sound....some selfish human being who 
called the police kept our party from being all it could've been.  
the police came in and told us to reduce the bass, which we did, to 
obnoxiously low levels (for this music).  i'm really sorry about it 
too, because in retrospect, i honestly think it drastically affected 
the vibe.  i know i for one couldn't get into the music.

it was nice to see brain farm and finally get to meet mark josef.  
the magic lantern was pretty cool i guess, not really my taste, but 
fun to look at all thier contraptions :)  i don't feel quaified to comment 
on any other tech elements of this party..except oh yeah, this kid, 
bill, brings this red laser and sets it up in the second room...quite 
fun; simple yet beautiful (nice guy too).

it was wonderful seeing all the netraveahs, especially fellow vrave 
addicts, who i'm meeting in real life for the first time =)  there 
were actually more of them there than i realized, but it's three a.m. 
and i'm fractured...cracked...broken  and not going to try to list 
them all.

notice how i'm wrapping up this narrative without really talking 
about the vibe.

somebody please give a real review...

happy new year.

-star*

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the space - nice because it was big and better because there were enough
people to fill it.

the sound - as star said the volume had to be turned down, so it was way too
quiet.  a real dissappointment because the Maxximum sound system is killer,
and we didn't get to see it's true colors.

the lights - very nice. a lot of them and pretty intense, including strobes
which I happen to love although not everyone does.  the small room had some
weird indescribable funky light thing which was a little show all on it's
own too.

performances - well, I was *really* into jungle at this party, and I loved
Phantom 45's set.  another standout set would be Kikoman's I think, but
that's more hearsay.  Biochip C/Speedfreak was pretty cool to watch perform
and played some good stuff, but nothing that really got me.  didn't see
Mindrive and hardly knew who was spinning for most of the time.  I was
surprised at the fact that they had Delta 9 spin on the small system...

the vibe - as star said the low volume really hurt this.  for the most part
I think things were pretty blah.  there were those points during the night
though where the smiles came out.

this is by no means a complete review but just some thoughts.  personally I
had a *very* good time at this party, but those of you who ran into me
probably know why.

-kc


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>  ok, first of all i want to know is how commercialized are they
> going to get, i mean what happpened to all the true Ravers?  it's
> kinda sad when you go to one and during the few hours you actually
> dance before they get busted, your being looked at by Buffies, and

You have to return it to the source at that point.  Throw the shit 
back underground with smaller parties in less secure locales.

I'd personally rather pay 7 to 10 bucks for a smaller, more intimate 
party that had the possibility of getting busted - then what's 
happening now with 15 to 25 dollars for parties that are nothing more 
than rock concerts with tekkno.

Last night I went to closer in minneapolis and never felt farther 
from the source.  It was a big party by minneapolis standards, with 
big sound, big lights and girls with big hair.

But did that make it a good party?

No, not really.  75 gazillion fucking people could have been there, 
but it still wouldn't have made it good.

I'm fucking sick of seeing about arena raves; like submerge, 
transatlantic groove and last night's closer.  They don't have the 
same feel, the same gritty "let's get dirty" feel that parties from 
the days had.  When the shit felt new and exciting.

The shit is old now.  For me, I guess.  And a little too sanitary and 
clean and safe.  There's no thrill... and that's sad :(

And I know people keep saying "It's about the muzik" and I don't 
know, for me, that that is really the case.  I can hear the muzik at 
home just fine.  Shit, I can make the muzik at home just fine.  There 
are so many more important elements to a party, that the muzik is 
sometimes so secondary.

earache
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i finally managed to hit 2 parties in the same weekend, so i decided to give
some thoughts about them.

nutcracker 12/29/95 - lakewood oh - location was U4ia (same spot as the BUMP
parties).  it was improved since then though, new sound system , plus the DJ
booth was downstairs so you could actually see the DJ.  This made the space
a lot better, but I still think there are better places for a party.  i got
there in time to see the end of dieselboy's set, which was great.  none of
the other djs stuck out to me that much, but they were all pretty good.
pretty good size crowd too.  this was a good party , worth the $10, but
the club just doesn't make it seem like a party, just a club with some good
djs.

social butterfly 12/31/95 - lorain oh - i wasn't sure how this party was
gonna go, or even if i was gonna make it.  i thought that the other major
new year's parties (vibration, lsd, star generation) might draw a lot of
this party's crowd.  plus the news said freezing rain that night, which
luckily didn't happen.  after going to a hotel party, i finally decided to
drive out to lorain.  got there around 2AM.  the spot was the eagle's nest,
same as deliverance and believe.  i was kinda surprised to see the place
totally packed.  i heard there the place was going nuts at 12, with a really
good laser show showing the countdown.  only bad thing about this party was
that afrika cancelled, which meant there was no hip-hop heard this night.
the djs that did spin were really good tho, i think the first couple sets i
heard were by goodwill and shaolin monk.  shaolin had a nice long set, with
a lot of great house towards the end.  the tagteam jungle set by
ruffian/tik-tak was great too.  the vibe was a lot higher than i've seen at
a cleveland party in a long time, lots of friendly people.  overall, this
event was one of the best around here in a while, even though it wasn't as
huge as other cities, the crowd and music were just right.  good job again
by UPS.


Also: PB-CLE-RAVES, MW-RAVES

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is anyone coming thru columbus on their way to jak 6 with any extra room?
i would like to go but i don't think my car will make it to toronto.
especially in this weather...

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

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>This is for anybody who knows anything about the CHICAGO RAVE SCENE!  ok,
>first of all i want to know is how commercialized are they going to get, i
>mean what happpened to all the true Ravers?  it's kinda sad when you go to
>one and during the few hours you actually dance before they get busted, your
>being looked at by Buffies, and people who do not belong there like YOUR the
>person who is crazy and shouldn't be there!  If you want to RAVE at least
>please understand what a  REAL RAVE is suppossed to be and what a TRUE RAVER
>is!  It's turning into Breederville and Preppyville USA!! Somebody PLEASE
>tell me it's not going to do this to the Birth place of HOUSE/TECHNO?  I want
>to still have Pride when i say YES I AM a RAVER!!!!  HELP CHICAGO..


I agree...I've only had one good experience in Chicago and that was when I
went to "Wisdom" some time last year.  And that was only semi-good.  I
mean, Chicago promoters seem to think that bigger is better but they're
wrong.  Plus there's lotsa attitude and preppies who act like YOU shouldn't
be there.  I _WON'T_ go to Chicago.  I'm just done with that scene.  And I
know a LOT of other people that feel that way.  Ladybust was the last straw
for me.  I'm perfectly happy staying in Indiana.  The music is good, the
people are cool, the vibe is nice.

Perfect example of Chicago commercialization.  INFERNO.  What the hell.
Why make such a big flyer.  I mean the picture on the front is nothing
breathtaking.  So, why make it huge.  We pay for the cost of all those big
flyers in the ticket price.  Sure I'd like to see Westbam but I don't have
to money to pay an arm and a leg to get in.  Plus, TicketMaster.  Whatever!
This isn't a Bon Jovi concert.  It's a party.  It's not like people don't
know what's up.  If you look at the names on the flier you're going to know
the music is goin' to be cool and if you have no clue who the people are,
maybe you shouldn't be going.  Personally, I'm going to leave a message on
their voice mail telling them that's messed and I'd hope that other people
that feel that way do the same.  Anyway, that's how I see it.


Partying hard in Indy,


-=(  Dave Justice   )=-
-=(ravekid@cris.com )=-
-=(indydave on vrave)=-



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well shaddup already.

chicago is wack, sure...it surprises me that people are JUST NOW figuring 
this out.  it's been wack since 1993, folks!!

and of course it's not the city itself...mike dearborn (god bless) still 
rocks, and several other smaller prod companies are solid and have their 
heads on straight.  it's the wack-asses that give chicago a bad rap; the 
capitalists whose interest is only to milk the scene or to dump their 
drugs, or who may care about the music but just dont realize that glitz, 
poster-size flyers, and big names do not a good event make.

the point is, if you are fed up with parties that are too commercial, too 
expensive, where people don't dance, where people are wigged out on some 
shit, well stop complaining and do something about it:

-as someone already suggested, call the voicemails of wack promoters, 
tell them they are wack and tell them why.

-throw your own events or support house parties (which are FREE).

-if you really need to travel THAT BAD, find out about the smaller 
companies in smaller cities who have been doing good events.  in case you 
don't know, here's my (incomplete) list of promotion crus/collectives 
who have their heads somewhat in the right place:

 + illuminators-dayton, ohio
 + justus-dayton, ohio
 + spawntaneous-cleveland (most of the time)
 + majesty/atp (with mike dearborn)-chicago
 + herzandhiz-detroit
 + most richie/plus-8 parties-windsor, ontario
 + pimp scrimp-muncie, indiana
 + ele mental-columbus (er, that's us)
 + bambi's house parties-chicago (when's the next one, bam?)
 + most sin production events-indianapolis
 + brotherhood of boom-ft wayne indiana
 
and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??

-last point: stop complaining.  we make the scene, it can always go back to 
the basics, no matter when or where.  it's already gone through the cycle 
numerous times.

thank you for your attention.
++
e d

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eluna <eluna@coil.com> said...
> and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??

Sure.  How about the WMSE/UNIT parties in Milwaukee?  Of course, my opinion
is a tad biased.   ;-)



- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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> 
> -if you really need to travel THAT BAD, find out about the smaller 
> companies in smaller cities who have been doing good events.  in case you 
> don't know, here's my (incomplete) list of promotion crus/collectives 
> who have their heads somewhat in the right place:
> 
>  + illuminators-dayton, ohio
>  + justus-dayton, ohio
>  + spawntaneous-cleveland (most of the time)
>  + majesty/atp (with mike dearborn)-chicago
>  + herzandhiz-detroit
>  + most richie/plus-8 parties-windsor, ontario
>  + pimp scrimp-muncie, indiana
>  + ele mental-columbus (er, that's us)
>  + bambi's house parties-chicago (when's the next one, bam?)
>  + most sin production events-indianapolis
>  + brotherhood of boom-ft wayne indiana
>  
> and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??
> 
tim ramsey - louisville, KY


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>eluna <eluna@coil.com> said...
>> and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??
>
>Sure.  How about the WMSE/UNIT parties in Milwaukee?  Of course, my opinion
>is a tad biased.   ;-)

Okay, while we're on the subject of biased opinions and shameless
self-promotion, don't forget Exstasis in the Quad Cities. Anybody who says
that the small towns can't draw the major talents should see our roster.  In
the past few months we've had:  Mike Dearborn, Terry Mullan, DJ Skull, Yanu,
Nigel Richards, Astroboy, Dmitry, and more...

Coming in Feb from Exstasis:

First there was Evolve
the next year came Revolve
now we present Threevolve

the three year anniversary of Exstasis
details coming soon...

"Iowa...you make me smile" -the new state motto

See ya in February,

Shane (OX4Exstasis)


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ED-

 What about J45 and his crew from Ft. WAyne?? (although rumor has it straight from Jason's mouth that hes not going to throw any mroe aprties after Version 2.0)

also, what about Tim Ramsey from Louisville??

*hugs-n-smooches*

-Becky =)


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Just a commentary on the talk regarding the status of raves.  I've been going
to parties a long time (about 3 1/2 years, which may not be as long as some,
but its long enough).  I've watched the scene in many cities go up and down:
 from being blown away by what the scene was doing to worrying about kids
screwin' up their lives on too many substances and promoter wars and back to
the parties of my life again.  The fact is, it's going to keep going up and
down forever!  I went through way too many nights at parties thinkin' that it
would be the last one, no vibes anymore, the scene sucks, etc.  But somehow,
it always came around.

Maybe my personal turning point was when I went out of the country for 3 1/2
months.  For the first time, I realized just how important the scene was to
me just precisely when I had absolutely no access to it.  When I got back,
people were still complaining about the same things as when I had left, but I
had a renewed faith in the scene and everyone!  My point is, don't give up!!!
 Take a break if you need to or vary your nights between big and small
parties.  I definitely agree that people need to make their opinions known.
 There will always be the problems out there (as there is with any scene you
could be involved in).  Just keep working on it.  But don't forget what is
going RIGHT as well as wrong.  You might find that things aren't so bad after
all.

Those preppies and buffies might not have a clue now, but maybe they'll pick
up on what it's all about.  They came didn't they?  In my opinion, that's
more than I thought the average commercial, prep would do.  And I'd be
willing to bet that we all have some sort of "skeleton in the closet" as far
as our past is concerned.  I wouldn't doubt if many of us were preps or jocks
or geeks or whatever at some point!  But somehow we discovered this scene and
we're each a building block to it now.  If we lose faith, what's to stop
everyone else from doing the same?  Afterall, am I wrong when I say that the
people who kill the vibe at a party are the ones who walk around sulking and
talking about how much the party sucks?

Please hang in there!  Live the music while you can!!!  Scream if it's
good!!!  Smile at the person you don't know next to you :)!!!  Watch the
faces of those who are totally into the music (it's hard not to get excited
when the person next to you is in ecstasy and not the drug)!!!  Dance until
you think you're limbs are going to fall off!!!  Bring enough water in case
the promoter doesn't think ahead!!!  Most important, keep in mind all the
good parties you've been to.  They WILL happen again.  I promise.

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On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Anthony Cosco wrote:

> > 
> > -if you really need to travel THAT BAD, find out about the smaller 
> > companies in smaller cities who have been doing good events.  in case you 
> > don't know, here's my (incomplete) list of promotion crus/collectives 
> > who have their heads somewhat in the right place:
> > 
> >  + illuminators-dayton, ohio
> >  + justus-dayton, ohio
> >  + spawntaneous-cleveland (most of the time)
> >  + majesty/atp (with mike dearborn)-chicago
> >  + herzandhiz-detroit
> >  + most richie/plus-8 parties-windsor, ontario
> >  + pimp scrimp-muncie, indiana
> >  + ele mental-columbus (er, that's us)
> >  + bambi's house parties-chicago (when's the next one, bam?)
> >  + most sin production events-indianapolis
> >  + brotherhood of boom-ft wayne indiana
> >  
> > and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??
> > 
> tim ramsey - louisville, KY
Actually that should be Evolution Productions (thanks for the support 
tho).  Although I am the focus point for concepts and organization, 
Evolution itself involves numerous people here in louisville and around 
the midwest.  So many people help out it is amazing.  My girlfriend Jen 
works extremely hard for our parties, as do many other people.  I think 
that one reason the evolution Events have turned out so well is that so 
many people put a lot of love and hardwork into making the events 
special.  Take Most at T2 for example, He came to the warehouse and spent 
3 DAYS creating that great graf artwork on the walls.

Tim
evolutionary netboy/Utopia


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ed sed:
=================================================================
-if you really need to travel THAT BAD, find out about the smaller 
companies in smaller cities who have been doing good events.  in case you 
don't know, here's my (incomplete) list of promotion crus/collectives 
who have their heads somewhat in the right place:

 + illuminators-dayton, ohio
 + justus-dayton, ohio
 + spawntaneous-cleveland (most of the time)
 + majesty/atp (with mike dearborn)-chicago
 + herzandhiz-detroit
 + most richie/plus-8 parties-windsor, ontario
 + pimp scrimp-muncie, indiana
 + ele mental-columbus (er, that's us)
 + bambi's house parties-chicago (when's the next one, bam?)
 + most sin production events-indianapolis
 + brotherhood of boom-ft wayne indiana
 
and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??
==================================================================

stevie's additions:

+ ultraworld - baltimore, md
+ primary productions - boston, ma
+ pleasure force - toronto, canada
+ evolution - louisville, ky
+ bluegrass - lexington, ky
+ underground peace society - cleveland, oh
+ deep/psychoactive records - cleveland, oh
+ special k - philadelphia, pa
+ drop bass network - milwaukee, wi
+ underground inc - pittsburgh, pa
+ fusion productions - philadelphia, pa

i'm sure there are more

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Yeah, Decadence was a dissapointment as far as the vibe goes. But I 
have a different gripe that I haven't seen anyone else talk about:
The setup itself.

I liked the idea of the garbage bag tunnel. It was a religious 
experience going through there the first time into the main room. It 
all just opened up. But then it was like--is that it??

First of all, just a wall of sound and 20+ intellibeams.
I freakin love intellibeams and lasers, but isn't it more interesting 
when they surround you?? I would personally like it better if there 
wasn't a "direction" that everyone had to face. I think its cooler 
when the music is all around.

Second--Whats up with all the visuals being totally separate? Why not 
incorporate everything into one giant audio/visual treat?

I keep thinking about DBN's last new years rave at "the Rave" in 
Milwaukee and wish Decadence could've duplicated that feeling.
Last year, I remember just going up to the balcony for a half hour 
and just looking down and around in total amazement, thinking, God, 
if only people knew what a New Years party could be.

At decadence, I was really surprised in the lack of excitement during 
the 1996 countdown. I was expecting the sound to go WAY up or speed 
Way up or something, but it was like the DJ was just doin his 
thing... 
It seemed to me that the entire crowd was just looking for something 
more and the DJ's just weren't tapping into it. You could hear it in 
the occasional cheers, and then see it when everyone sat down or 
walked away.

I was happy to see that I had at least ONE sticker stuck to me 
though. I miss the fun, happy attitude that existed before the 
cliques set in...

And I'm only bitching because I love this scene and want to see it 
IMPROVE, not move the opposite direction.

-Chris Gielow
http://www.execpc.com/~cyaxares

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The only ones who turned out for my little get-together were myself, Melissa,
her friend Gregg from FL and his fiancee Becca.  I expected a few more
but I'm glad now that I didn't make serious reservations at the cafe.

Beyond that, I had fun at Decadence but was a bit disappointed in the overall
set-up and such.  It was a cool space, but I would imagine a number of people
could have done a better job setting it up to be an other-worldly experience.

I was glad to see Mark Joseph/brainFarm in full effect.  Mark, welcome back 
home.  =)

My favs for the evening were Mindrive and Wickett.  The rest of the music I 
could have done without, honestly.  The rest of the jungle I heard for the 
remainder of the evening was all the same and the hardcore was not what I 
wanted to hear.  Yes, I knew the dj line-up.  I went for more social reasons,
actually.

I did get to see many old friends and make contact with some faces I've been
seeing for a long time.  I'll more than likely be in Madison this Friday.

Happy New Year everyone!



- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com


PS - the mw-raves calendar will go out this week Wednesday ... there were very
few new entries and none for the NYE weekend so I took the time for myself ...
sue me   :P

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Ok folks here is the completed line-up for galactic family plan

GALACTIC FAMILY PLAN
Louisville ky,  2-3-96

DJS
Spun  sf
Heather Heart  Sonic Groove
Kikoman  grand rapids
Perry Ellis   cincy
Leviathan   evolution

Sound   Maxximum
lights  Eyegasm
Utopia

This party will only be $10

502.569.1969

tim
evolutionary netboy


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   My biggest complaint about the scene are all of the bitches who think the
scene consists of being intertained, partying, people who pledge their
undying faith to promotional companies, people who talk shit adout things
they don't know about. People who have lost sight of what it is to get up
and throw their own damn parties instead of bitching about everyone elses.
Some times this mailing list looks more like a room of fucking
holier-than-thou...let's sit around and make a slam-book of all the
companies we hate and like.  

        Guess what, all of the people involved in these companies are
people. People who have the gumption enough to get off their asses and
contribute more to the scene than PETTY juristictions on eachother......
You might find that the same energy spent on bitching can be redirected and
put to productive use.

Incase we all forget, the scene wasn't built on compitition, bitching, and
laziness.
We have become spoiled these days...we sit around and wait for big parties,
grace them with our presense, then go home giving it a 7...or an 8....

I'm sorry, that's not how it works. It is like being a spectator, you don't
DO anything but comment.I'n my opinion, you might as well be on the outside
if your not doing any work on the inside. 
It's not about every one knowing your name and your story, it's about
getting in there and showing that we are not a bunch of fools who do nothing
more than squabble amongst ourselves.

sorry, I just have a great hate for opening the family mail and watching all
this bullshit.

Alizoryn......


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Hmmm...I think I need some more drugs....

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We are content with the "given" in sensations quest.  We have been 
metamorphosed from a mad body dancing onhillsides to a pair of eyes
staring in the dark.
				Jim Morrison
Adrienne Wisok
aka Zoey
aka Bobaphat

awisok@engin.umich.edu
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:14:44 -0500 (EST)
From: The Virtual Addict <harrej@gort.canisius.edu>
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Subject: NER: MDMA Survey...cont'd

Hey all...

	Thanks to Bob (Hiya) for posting the MDMA Research info.  I 
called at the request of a friend (of course) cuz it's local for me in 
hopes of saving a few folks the ld call.

Their testing does NOT involve administering MDMA (doh)
They require people who have had 75 hits+ of E
It requires a 5 day, 4 night stay.
It takes place in both NIH and Johns Hopkins U (Bethesda and Baltimore)
There are blood tests, cognitive tests (written and oral), a spinal 
tap, persoanlity tests, and sleep tests. 
They require abstinance from all illegal drugs for 3 weeks prior
They will pay travel costs
Their research is ongoing.  They are currently booked through March of 96 
(make your reservation now! ;) 
You get $500 for your trouble (and bodily fluids).

As a side note, the person that inquired had not taken enough E to 
qualify.  However, the researcher added, "We'd like to use you for the 
study because you're local and we wouldn't have to pay travel costs, so, 
umm, not to, er, condone anything, uh, keep it up and give us a call back 
when you've had more MDMA."

=)

Peas!
Apocalypse / joE
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At 10:42 PM 1/2/96 -0600, Chris Gielow <cyaxares@execpc.com> wrote:
>
>I liked the idea of the garbage bag tunnel. It was a religious 
>experience going through there the first time into the main room. It 
>all just opened up. But then it was like--is that it??

Sounds like Spastik, August 1994, Detroit, Packard *cough* plant.
Ack, I can't find my flyers, so that date may be a bit whack.

As for all of this rating of rave/event/concert production crews, the
only decent way to do any sort of ranking is for someone to accept email
and have mw-raves (+ family) rate the production crews who throw parties.
Like a 1 to 5 rating to give a fair spread.

Why?  Well, someone may post that XYZ company is the best, and I may
think XYZ company has been screwing us for years.  To a new or a recent
addition to the raving community, this would give a fair shot.

And to those production companies with big egos, it may be a bit of a
shocker to see themselves rated lower than other production companies.
A bit humbling, so to speak.

And the ratings should be updated at regular (6 months?) intervals for
optimum use.

I'm blowing in the wind again...



Andrew
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> well shaddup already.
> 
> chicago is wack, sure...it surprises me that people are JUST NOW figuring 
> this out.  it's been wack since 1993, folks!!
> 
> and of course it's not the city itself...mike dearborn (god bless) still 
> rocks, and several other smaller prod companies are solid and have their 
> heads on straight.  it's the wack-asses that give chicago a bad rap; the 
> capitalists whose interest is only to milk the scene or to dump their 
> drugs, or who may care about the music but just dont realize that glitz, 
> poster-size flyers, and big names do not a good event make.

i'd also like to point out that there's a bunch of whackasses at the 
parties you'd attend in chicago.  i'm speaking of larger parties with 
bigger national and international name talent.  it seems that party 
people in this area don't travel as much as the average person who 
parties both on this list and in the midwest.  you have to be really 
spoiled to complain and bitch about driving an HOUR to go to a party 
or even letting that stop you from going (said tongue-in-cheek, see 
my last few posts refrences to Rockford).  my observations are 
something like this...when i lived in a smaller city where there were 
certainly not parties every weekend, nor any place to hear quality 
music (of the electrodigital sort) in town, we (those of us who had 
found one another through the music and the parties) would do a 
couple of things that people not totally immersed in the scene in 
chicago rarely do.  we would gather at someone's house or apartment 
for the specific purpose of hearing the music (i've not called them a 
party because it didn't often exceed ten people).  and we, usually 
that same group of people, would travel together, sometimes to the 
lunatic fringe, to go to parties in other places and cities.  an hour 
was not a roadtrip, three hours was a start.  not everybody in that 
smaller town was as into it as we were, but not everybody got out of 
it what we did.  there were people who usually just show up to the 
parties that would occasionally happen in our town, but who weren't 
interested in becoming a part of the scene, not interested in going 
underground.  so be it.  as has been acknowledged at the start of 
this thread, ("you...shouldn't be there! ...true raver" --raver76) 
it's not for everybody.  but i find those people don't really 
increase my vibe too much, don't make me smile quite so brightly, and 
don't usually want to drive too far just to go to a party.

i don't know why, but people here don't travel.  is it because they 
don't get flyers for the parties in the smaller cities?  is it 
because they don't have to?  i mean there is a major scale production 
here about every weekend (even in the winter).  and there's usually a 
lot of chicagoland attendees, even if there is no vibe.

i guess it boils down to excitement.  and to illustrate this i will 
use a personal example...the weekend of the infamous ladubyg2 
(another one of those big, busted, chicago parties) a whole crew of 
people came up/down to chicago that i got to hang out with.  they'd 
traveled between three and eight hours minimum, each of them.  so 
naturally, they were very excited about getting to 'chicago' and 
getting to this party.  but even when it didn't happen, the general 
attitude was...dammit, i travelled all this way, i'm not going to let 
this stop me from having fun!  as opposed to, dammit, i could be at 
home watching...  you get the picture.  on the way to the space for 
ladybug, my car stopped to pick up some people who lived downtown to 
give them a ride to the space.  on the way there they looked at the 
little map thingies and made negative comments about how the party 
wasn't even in chicago, etc.  needless to say, when we found out that 
the party was busted the rest of us scratched our heads and wondered 
what to do next, and they bitched and moaned.  whatever.

if it's too easy, that'll always happen.

but it would be novel to have an eL stop at your party...
                  ...c'mon chicago promoters, surely one of you
                     can pull that off ;)

pray for snow,
--star*

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**********************************************************************
We are content with the "given" in sensations quest.  We have been 
metamorphosed from a mad body dancing onhillsides to a pair of eyes
staring in the dark.
				Jim Morrison
Adrienne Wisok
aka Zoey
aka Bobaphat

awisok@engin.umich.edu
http://www.wp.com/bobaphat/

Who's goin' Chicken Huntin?????
***********************************************************************

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:46:06 -0500 (EST)
From: danFREELove <freelove@access.digex.net>
To: NE Raves - CyberTribe <ne-raves@world.std.com>
Subject: NER: Today at work..

Today at work I was feeling pretty frustrated at the world.  I stopped and
wrote this for myself to work out the feelings.  I don't know its value or
whether I 'should' post it, but I feel I need to. 

---

The Turning Away

There is the turning away.  Turning away from what we know, turning away
from what is kept away from us.  We live in a complicated world, from
childhood we seek to unravel the mysteries and meet the frustrations of
eventual failure.  Progression from the simple to the complex, from legos
to gears and wheels, from video games to databases, from family to
society.  And then loom the complexities of a society contorted to
extremes by ancient titan forces and burgeoning technical realities.  And
this we face alone. 

There is the turning away.  Complexity surrounds us as we use very basic
insights to comprehend reality.  The International Monetary Fund and
derivatives in the terms used to describe our personal budget.  Words from
preagrarian society seek to encompass the massively interconnected lace of
communicating computers.  Semantics and conceptualization.  Forces
unleashed so brutal and blind as to decimate a humans existence who fate
might choose to stand opposed.  Lives never lost or forgotten as uncounted
dat a sets change hands on the open market, the deaths never recorded, no
misery ever recorded.  And this we face alone. 

We are alone in the end.  When facing the myriad miasma's of an entangled
world, of complexities taken to a magnitudes undreamed of, there is no
escape.  Refusing to participate in the patterns and entanglements is a
pattern still recorded.  Cars, credit cards, taxes, bank accounts,
spending patterns, social security, paper trails, insurance, government,
welfare, employer history and the rejection of these tangled requirements
is all in the schema.  To make a difference and stand meaningfully opposed
you must join, join some fight, some cause and again be party to new
patterns.  In the end you are alone with everyone inside our mighty
mystical machinery and never forgotten. 

This is the turning away.  Defeated and retreating we all face the assault
on personality daily.  Conform, confirm, conduct and conspire.  Self
replicating systems spawned by human need and taken to inhuman excess.  We
can contest some aspects of the mach inery through this multifaceted and
arcane system.  Seek respite, gain autonomy, refusing to take action we
all occasionally withdraw.  We withdraw to our world, here to our space,
here to our raves. 

It is all so efficient, brutal and often necessary.

I rave because I am driven to it.  Inside the beat and the dance worlds of
words melt away.  The ephemeral weave of a thorough social fabric is
passingly eclipsed.  There I am alone with my friends and at peace. 


Dan

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>Incase we all forget, the scene wasn't built on compitition, bitching, and
>laziness.
>we are not a bunch of fools who do nothing
>more than squabble amongst ourselves.

and how often (on this list) we are reminded of that fact :)

bimonthly?

we are NOT a bunch of fools who do nothing more than squabble amongst 
ourselves.

unity & snow,
--star*

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> As for all of this rating of rave/event/concert production crews, the
> only decent way to do any sort of ranking is for someone to accept email
> and have mw-raves (+ family) rate the production crews who throw parties.
> Like a 1 to 5 rating to give a fair spread.
> 
> Why?  Well, someone may post that XYZ company is the best, and I may
> think XYZ company has been screwing us for years.  To a new or a recent
> addition to the raving community, this would give a fair shot.
> 
> And to those production companies with big egos, it may be a bit of a
> shocker to see themselves rated lower than other production companies.
> A bit humbling, so to speak.
> 
> And the ratings should be updated at regular (6 months?) intervals for
> optimum use.

please no.

please lets not formalize our allegiances.  statistics never tell a 
fair story.  and isn't that supposed to be one of the main functions 
of this list?  to hear what other parties were like?  hopefully you'd 
be able to tell if it's the kind of thing you'd want to attend from 
that.  or if thinking about attending a party you could write to the 
list to ask for real life stories and opinions from real life people.

besides, as high as we are on ourselves, and as much as we love to 
say that we really know what's going on in the promoter's minds, we 
can't.  i mean, for what you know as FACT scotto could be in it for 
the love of the scene and just going about it the wrong way.

but what would be more sad, to see a promoter get blacklisted for an 
accident or because the people on the list all believe some bullshit 
story of what happened without getting the facts from the actual ppl 
involved?  or to see some linehuffing cashmonger rated high on 
accident.

no...i think there could be a better way....and i'm trying to think 
of a suggestion.  this is a fresh idea so here it is:

a website with the name of all current promotion teams where 
a person could check the reviews of parties that team has thrown as well 
as general comments relating to that team.  i'm not sure if it should 
also contain list babble, or if it should just be a place that people 
could just hang a comment on....and perhaps the comments could expire 
after six months....hey...a bulletin board of sorts.......geez, i 
thought i'd latched onto something new...oh well, try again.....

pray for snow
--star*

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> adout things they don't know about. People who have lost sight of
> what it is to get up and throw their own damn parties instead of
> bitching about everyone elses. Some times this mailing list looks
> more like a room of fucking holier-than-thou...let's sit around and
> make a slam-book of all the companies we hate and like.  

Well aren't you mister integrity.  Dontcha think some of us whining 
bitches are too fuckin' busy to be doin' that?  Or have done that?  
Or are sick of trying to do that the right way?  Or are just plain 
sick of donating 25 bucks to these stupid fucks in hope that they 
return the favor with a good party?  Sorry, but when I'm posting 15 
bucks or more to someone's wallet - it becomes a consumer/supplier 
issue.

>         Guess what, all of the people involved in these companies
>         are
> people. People who have the gumption enough to get off their asses
> and contribute more to the scene than PETTY juristictions on
> eachother...... You might find that the same energy spent on
> bitching can be redirected and put to productive use.

Yeah, somehow I don't think it's all that noble.  I strongly support 
the freaks I know are doing the right thing (like the girlz throwing 
SPARK coming up!) - but there are just plain shitheads throwing 
parties to further their own aims then that of the scene (coz guess 
what?  if they were doing it for the right reasons I wouldn't be 
bitching cuz it WOULD SHOW IN THEIR PARTIES).

> Incase we all forget, the scene wasn't built on compitition,
> bitching, and laziness. We have become spoiled these days...we sit
> around and wait for big parties, grace them with our presense, then
> go home giving it a 7...or an 8....

Spoiled?  15 to 25 bucks is spoiled?  Do the math, man ... that isn't 
spoiled that's being suckered.

> I'm sorry, that's not how it works. It is like being a spectator,
> you don't DO anything but comment.I'n my opinion, you might as well
> be on the outside if your not doing any work on the inside. It's not
> about every one knowing your name and your story, it's about getting
> in there and showing that we are not a bunch of fools who do nothing
> more than squabble amongst ourselves.

And some of us do more, bitch.  Or have done more and are so sick of 
trying to do more cuz it doesn't really seem like it's fucking worth 
it.  All I have to say is Even Furthur and me and chris sattinger and 
troy geary putting up a lot of nothing with nothing in return, except 
for representing minneapolis and giving show to the talented kids 
that live there.  It sounds like ego, and maybe it is, but Even Furthur 
would have sucked if we hadn't had come with our sound system.

earache
Professor Earache
=================>
beatPHREAKsociety

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i rolled into st. louis around 10 pm new year's eve tuned into station 97.1.
it seems like every time i go to st. louis for a party i manage to find this
station.  once again they were playing the purest funk and soul which 
always gets me hyped for a party.  after getting a little lost, i found the 
space around 10:30.

upon entering the facility, i was thoroughly searched.  they even asked 
me to empty my pockets, which has never happened before.  not that 
i had anything to worry about.  it just didn't seem necessary to me.  after 
handing over all 25 dollar bills, i made my way into the main room.  i was 
greeted by the sounds of robert armani.  this guy was spinning some very
nice house which kept me dancing throughout his set.  the next dj in the 
main room was astroboy.  i took a rest and listened to part of his set before 
exploring the space.

the space was huge.  it looked as if it served as a sports facility or concert hall.  
the back of the main room was home to a moon bounce and a giant blow-up
dinosaur.  the kind you see in big parades.  the tables were set up on a stage 
at the other end of the room.  a large, thin piece of cloth hung about 20 - 30 
feet above the crowd in front of the stage.  lasers were cast upon this cloth 
which displayed dancers, doves, happy new year wishes, and lots of trippy 
effects.  the laser show was very impressive.  probably the best i've ever seen
at a party.  i wish i could tell you all what types of lasers they had, but i'm 
argonally challenged. ;)  there were smaller screens on the sides and back of 
the room which showed old movies of aliens invading earth.

i made my way back to the main room for the midnite countdown.  i couldn't 
help but notice how much the space had filled up since i arrived.  there were 
probably 3000 ppl there.  after astroboy finished his set, the countdown began.  
at the stroke of midnite, i looked around to see most of the crowd engaged in 
hugs while the superstars shook their money makers on stage. ;)  mystic bill 
took over the decks so i decided to check out the second room.

the second room was just off of the main room.  it was a lot smaller, darker, 
and more intimate.  this is where i spent most of my time.  i absolutely love 
to see a comfortably crowded room full of ravers going off.  that's what 
happened when cyberjive hit the decks shortly after midnite.  someone 
correct me if this was another dj as the line-up i saw didn't prove to be true.  
anyway, this guy played some very funky tracks with bass so deep it 
shook my soul.  :)   the next dj in this room played some excellent jungle 
which made everyone dance.  i really liked the track with the sample of 
NWA's dope man.

around 1:30, i made my way into the main room because keoki was 
scheduled to spin.  i was surprised to see marusha already on the tables.  
wow, she was amazing.  she spun what i would describe as hard acid.  
her sounds had a distinctive flavor to them which is hard for me to 
describe because i've never really been exposed to it.  it definitely had 
more of a techno feel than a house feel.  now i know what i'm missing 
in germany.  her enthusiasm really poured out into the crowd.  her 
silhouette through the lasers made her look like she was conducting 
an orchestra.  she would dance around and wave her arms to the music.
she was definitely a vibe enhancer.

i'm not really sure who went on after marusha.  i'm assuming it was keoki 
although i was told his plane had not yet arrived during marusha's set.  i 
ended up leaving much earlier than planned, because my pounding 
headache didn't mix very well with the pounding bass.  oh yeah, there 
was an ambient room upstairs in the lounge area of the facility.  i only 
went up there once, because the room was too brightly lit.  did anyone 
else think that this room should have been darker?  when i think of a chill 
room, i picture black lights, pillows, and blankets rather than a snack bar 
with video games.  

highlights:
the vibe in the second room;  cyberjive - can't wait to hear him again;  
robert armani - first time hearing him and i hope it wasn't the last;  
marusha - germany's techno goddess; the jungle dj who went on 
after cyberjive; seeing a few of you mw-ravers i'd previously met;  
seeing my kentucky friends;  the lasers and sound - massive;  the 
flyers for the pepcid - acid controller party;  getting out of the 
tennessee backwoods for a change!

bummers:
not being able to smoke or drink in the main room;  the five dollar 
re-entry fee;  not meeting any net ravers - was there a net meet?  
my headache; making the trip up there and back alone - that's what 
i get for not planning ahead; having to empty my pockets upon 
entry - i don't slang or bang;  nearly getting kicked out after partaking
in an offering of *green* peace ;)  the fact that dante, who i really 
wanted to see, wasn't there.  he wasn't even listed on the line-up that 
was handed out at the party.  i would have a much better taste in my 
mouth if they had only mentioned the cancellation or flyer misprint on 
their voice mail.  i never actually heard why he wasn't there;  missing 
on-e and hipp-e;  the fact that i paid $25 to get in.  i don't have a credit 
card which kept me from getting the pre-sale tix.  which wouldn't have 
been that cheap after the service charge and handling fees.  what ever 
happened to giving discounts to those with out of state id's?  another 
thing of the past.......

overall this was an excellent party.  i'm glad the superstars and vibe 
alive pulled this off despite the superstars previous record of busts.  
the mid-west was fully represented as i saw cars from indiana, ohio, 
illinois, indiana, kansas, iowa, missouri, kentucky, and tennessee.  i 
would like to hear how the after hours went, which was held at the 
other side.  the club that is. ;)  i hope you all had a fun new year's 
eve where ever you went.  see ya in nashville the 13th and at kell's 
party on the 27th!

power to the ppl in '96,
eric 





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I just got a flyer for this...


Detroit		2/24/96

	eleven.01

dj's:

Terry Mullan (spinning a 4 hr set)
Sleepy C
Boomer

Info: 810-746-3371

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metamorphosed from a mad body dancing onhillsides to a pair of eyes
staring in the dark.
				Jim Morrison
Adrienne Wisok
aka Zoey
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Who's goin' Chicken Huntin?????
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We have added Scott Forbush, Grandpa Tekno to the line-up for Bassrush on 
april 20.  Scott is coming out of retirement for this one.  Immediately 
after he plays the event he will be leaving for Germany to spin his 
fourth mayday, more than any other us dj.  So don't miss the hippest, 
hardest, fastest retiree on the planet.

tim


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tim sed:
=================================================================
We have added Scott Forbush, Grandpa Tekno to the line-up for Bassrush on 
april 20.  Scott is coming out of retirement for this one.  Immediately 
after he plays the event he will be leaving for Germany to spin his 
fourth mayday, more than any other us dj.  So don't miss the hippest, 
hardest, fastest retiree on the planet.

tim
=================================================================

ahwwww...ma'fu'in yeah!!!

cleveland hardcore represent represent!

actually it should read the hippest, hardest, fastest, & oldest dj.

(stevie's worthless soopah short post superceeding his soopah long one)

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1st off i wanna say parents suk. i'm almost 26 & they still
treat me like a kid. my mom makes these plane reservations for 
christmas break months ahead & doesn't tell me about it. given
they haven't seen me in a year, but i really didn't wanna spend
that much time with them. so i spent most of my break seeing if
i could fly back early so i could spend new years partying with
my friends rather than my relatives.

alas, i found an opening & flew back from fresno, california to
cleveland friday night. mega thanx go out to kate (keight on 
vrave), who not only picked me up at the airport, but also 
distributed the zine in cleveland, while i was on break.

two hours after arriving in cleveland, we were off to...

THE NUTCRACKER - Holiday Productions - 12/29/95 - Cleveland, OH
---------------------------------------------------------------

we got to the party at 12:30 and kurt/RELEASE had already started
his set at midnight. there still weren't that many kids there &
i was a bit worried this party wouldn't go off (boy was i in for
a surprise). kurt's set was very dancer friendly & got some kids
on the dance floor. quite impressive since the U4IA seems to be
setup more for socializing than dancing. but moving the dj booth
from it's usual 3 story location to ground level certainly helped.

after returning the back cover art to it's rightful owner - dj sparx,
i sat down with CHINAGRRL for a little 'old skoola' chit chat. she
had brought damian/DIESELBOY to the party & didn't plan on staying
too long. i was surprised to even see her at all, since she hardly
ever goes to parties anymore. while damian kicked up the vibe with
his usual killer jungle sets. china talked about how life was easier
when she knew damian when he was 1st starting out than the b.s. she
has to go thru now of going to court & taking drug tests. chinagrrl
continues to be a source of light for many including myself.

after returning the hat shannon had left in my bag at COUP D'ETAT
to her, i started wondering where the rest of the Columbus kids were.
later on they started appearing in droves about the time Steve/SLEEPY C
came on. needless to say Steve's choice trax along w/ the influx of
out of towners from Columbus and Pittsburgh, really kicked up the 
vibe level. there were even kids blowin whistles in the back. But
the biggest surprise was seeing Michael (alroy on the net) from 
Columbus, who had brought up Ben (page on the net) from St. Louis.
unfortunately when Kate introduced me to him, i thought he was 
somebody else. jet lag was definitely getting to me & had me out 
on the side lines for most of the night. however it was good to see
all those people dancing. i was especially pleased to see the return
of ross & kurt on the dance floor. there's nothing better than 
watching two really good dancers go at it.

by the time ERIC DAVENPORT  came on, the space was packed with tons
'o happy bouncing ravahs. i stood by the booth watching the west
coast master control the wheels of steel. his set in three words:
soopah high energy! his skills are definitely up there with the
best of 'em.

speakin of the best of 'em..FEELGOOD wuz next..ohmygawd!..he blew
the roof off. the crowd wuz going mad crazy. he definetly lived up
to his name that night, as he made everybody in the house feel pretty
damn good!

we had to leave shortly after Charles's set cuz Kate had a curfew to
make. as a result we regretfully missed out on the tag team set by the
promotors of the party: my ol roomy, mike/FIFER & kevin/FUZZ. but i'm
sure they spun as well as the party went off.

--- 

VIBRATION - Ultraworld - 12/31/95 - Baltimore, MD
-------------------------------------------------

12/30/95 Saturday Night

welp being that i didn't even know i wuz going to be back for new 
year's, i didn't have a chance to plan for anything. so come saturday
night i still had no idea what i was doing. then i got this phone
call from liz, who i had just met thru kate less than a couple weeks
ago: 

liz: hi, this is liz, kate's friend, do u remember me?
  
me: uh yeah.

liz: do u know how to get to baltimore from cleveland?

me: uh yeah.

liz: cuz we're going to VIBRATION in baltimore. these two girls
just came into my store. turned out they were ravers & asked me
to go. turns out they know michael [alroy on vrave] & they're
picking him up too.

me: oh wow, i wanted to go to that party, but i heard it's sold
out.

liz: u should come with us. u can probably still get in at the
door.

me: maybe i'll e-mail lonnie, see if he can put me on the list.
he still kinda owes me one. but it might be too late.

liz: i'll call the girls & i'll call u back.

me: ok. hey how do u know my number? 

liz: remember when u left yur bag at that ele mental party?
and u had to call that girl in columbus that jamie [troutsoup
on pb-cle-raves] wuz staying at cuz he found yur bag?

me: uh yeah.

liz: well she's my roommate.

me: oh wow.

liz: well i'll call u back.

me: ok.

-      

12/31/95 Sunday 

1:30pm

liz, dawn, and dee dee pick me up at my place. we drop by kinko's
so i can pick up copies of the zine. half of all my christmas money
goes into paying for all the copies. and then we head off to columbus
to pick up michael.

4:30pm

we arrive at michael's place & drop off all of liz's stuff she had
brought home in michael's apartment.

5:00pm

we leave for baltimore.

10:00pm

we make our 1st mistake: we make a pitstop in breezewood to grab a 
bite at BK. as a result we arrive at the location at:11:50pm. there
was another reason why BK wuz a mistake but i'll get to that later.

12:00am MONDAY 1/1/96 

so i spend the beginning of 1996 the exact same way i did with the
beginning of 1995 - waiting in line to get into a party. only this
time it was in baltimore & not toronto. atleast i didn't have to
wait in line two hours before getting in. i snap a picture of all
the people waiting outside at midnight.

12:15am

we get in the door. they search our bags. dana, dee dee, michael, &
liz get in cuz they have tix. i'm stuck cuz the guard can't find me
on the list. the guards were extra tuff that night. rumor wuz they
wouldn't even let lonnie's mother in. charles feelgood talked w/ me
for a little bit, but couldn't get me in either. in the mean time
i drop off a big stack of PLRM's. finally lonnie comes down...

12:30am

lonnie: stevie!

me: boy am i glad to see you!

<big hug>

lonnie: glad u could make it!

me: u don't know how far i've traveled for this party.

<i snap a pic of lonnie by my favorite doorman - i guess i wuz listed
under PLRM instead of Stevie T>

so i walk in & the place is packed! Sun is spinning. I snap a pic of
Jason then i snap a pic of the crowd. i try in vain to look for my
friends. so i dance a little. in the middle of a spin move, i remember
about the net meet. so i start walking, trying to figure out where
the net meet wuz. when all of a sudden i came up to this sign that
read...

NET RAVERS

the first person i see is jeff (vrave) who i went to COUP D'ETAT with.
he had come down with some other cleveland ravers in another car. next
netraver wuz eric (pb-cle-raves) from oberlin, ohio. he wuz the one who
wuz passing out flyers for VIBRATION @ COUP D'ETAT. next almost immediately
i saw Spike (everyone knows Spike). big hug. gave him the pic of him &
ecto @ PASSAGE TO ULTRAWORLD. next wuz Jammin James E. another big hug.
he wuz the one that took most of the pics of PASSAGE in the zine. Joe
Apocalypse wuz the other one who took the rest. altho i don't recall
seeing him. lesse who else...Tom/Waterzooi..gave him his pic too..Yorum,
u can't miss him either..Kenji - finally we meet.      

after dropping off my stuff in the back & passing out some PLRM's, i saw
Monica from delaware, 1st tall hug..SarahS, soopah hug & a smooch! u
r da best!..later on i bumped into Dan FreeLove who i just had to buy
a drink for, even danced w/ the Man, gotta say, i'm impressed, Dan's
a pretty sharp dancer! ooh yeah i even danced a little with Spike,
whose got that swirl thing going on..that's when i met Chris Green,
i thought u were taller & a bit more social..danced w/ another net
raver w/ glowsticks, except i can't remember his name. he was short
& had a mickey mouse doll. he even lent me his glowsticks for a spin.
i gave'em back when i decided it wuzn't my thing...who else did i bump 
into? there were so many, sorry if i can't remember y'all..ooh yeah
coincidentally i even bumped into TROUTSOUP from youngstown, ohio who
not only returned my bag but indirectly got me a ride to VIBRATION thru
a series of bizarre coincidences (the story of my life). i bumped into him
on one of my many bathroom visits. that wuz the second reason we shouldn't
have gone to BK - that damn whopper gave me the shits. which wuz the main
reason i didn't do too much dancing ('fraid i'd poop my pants!).

atleast my other cleveland buds did: both kurt & brian represented well
in the circles. even kevin, andy, chris pulse, their female friends &
the rest of the cleveland posse were all dancing. on the dance floor
is when i bumped into my ole cleveland bud: trevor, now residing in DC,
who did some art for past PLRM's. he & his buds were keeping the vibe
up the whole night w/ their whistles & glow strings.   

it got so hot from all the body heat that i had to peel off some clothes.
oh yah i wuz the one wearing the blue & black soccer jersey with the
white stars on it the beginning of the night. when things got too hot,
that came off & left my white 'plur' t-shirt on. and i capped it all off
w/ a white 'hic' hat. it actually stands for hawaiian island creations,
but it wuz more like the 'hic' from ohio hat for me.

enuff about the people, let's talk about...  

THE MUSIC

1st off lemme say all the main room dj's kicked my ass all night long.
and people may complain..wah! it wuz too loud! fuk dat! da louder da  
better! bring the noise!

SUN - already mentioned him

SOUL SLINGER - abstract jungle like he played in Cleveland for 
               SANCTUARY. i think it confused the crowd more than
               anything.

HUGGY - why duz this guy remind me of Doc Martin so much? even better
        than his mixed tape. def one of my fav west coast dj's. he's
        up there w/ DJ Dan & Thomas Michael.

SPEEDY - even better than when i heard him @ TUNNELVISION. damn good
         dancer friendly mixin. Speedy also gets my vote for most
         amiable dj. spent most of the night chattin w/ him by the
         dj booth. funniest Speedy quote: 'east coast girls make me
         horny.' too bad for mr. gonzalez, he's engaged.

DB - gawd damn, this guy is good. very few dj's can pull me from all
     the way in the back to all the way in the front. the music DB   
     wuz spinning did exactly that. DB gets my vote for most energetic
     dj. dancing through out his set, waving his hands in the air.
     he's got that Carlos enthusiasm that gets the crowd going.

KARL K/MC DUB 2 - dynamic jungle duo. got the best crowd participation.
     definite respects go out to these guys. i liked it when they got
     the audience to hold up their lighters.

DIESELBOY - only jungle dj that got to me to stay in the jungle room.
     i felt bad for DJ Thad from san fran who proceeded him cuz he
     had to deal with the Dieselboy fan club waiting for him to get
     off. Damian jumped on with those shades & it wuz all over. it
     wuz also the 1st time i got to see my ole ravah bud, hossam, who
     i went to school with, mc. after some minor technical difficulties,
     he got the crowd going. most amusing damian quote in lonnie's
     apartment while we were stuck there waiting for the locksmith:
     ' i put on those sunglasses cuz i thought that light would be too
     bright..but then when i got on, i couldn't see a damn thing..
     and i couldn't take 'em off!'  second most amusing damian quote:
     'i dedicated my set to PLRM.' yah and monkeys are flying outta
     my butt!

FEELGOOD - even better than his set at NUTCRACKER friday night. Spike
     wuz right. Feelgood's wuz the set of the night. probably the
     best set i've ever heard him spin. he showed everyone why he
     is the 'build up' king! track after track of flawless high
     energy mixing. perfection. and i think he knew it too.

SCOTT HENRY - i made sure i had the best seat in the house for this
     one, right by the dj booth, behind the speakers. i got to 
     witness first hand the man at work, every tweak of the levels,
     every mix in, every mix out, and most importantly i got a 
     birds eye view of the total control he had over the audience.
     this man was a machine. no one has mastered the art of the
     mix & the beat match better than scott henry. the only slight
     mistake i caught wuz he upped the highs just a little too
     much for one song. i looked out in the audience & i knew no
     one caught it. but i knew he knew cuz he made a slight grimmace.
     there wuz this one track that he spun near the middle of his
     set. i'm pretty sure it wuz a new promo. cuz i asked speedy
     what it wuz & he didn't know. all i remember wuz it had a 
     yellow lable & no writing. but it made get off that perch &
     just totally throw down. i didn't care if i had the shits or
     the fact that we'd be stuck in baltimore for awhile cuz the
     girl who drove us to the party had gotten her bag stolen & her
     car keys were in the bag. but the most uplifting track that
     scott spun wuz that remix of 'age of love', one of the earlier
     trance tracks..'c'mon dance with me, move your body so i can
     see'. i looked out at the audience to see if anyone knew the
     importance of this song. not a single one. and then he followed
     it up with that remix of 'feel it' by Moby. those along with
     the very last track he spun were what made my night. 

OUTSIDE THE ULTRAWORLD...

after Scott Henry, Lonnie made his speech about how when we're outside
it's their world, but when we're here, we can lose our inhibitions,
and not have to worry about all that becuz we are in the ultraworld.
he was even so considerate as to mention how my friend's backpack wuz
missing.

but the greatest act of kindness was afterwards. this tall older guy
w/ a ski cap & beard who helped with the party. he let us up to lonnie's
apartment. at which point, lonnie lent us his phone, as we tried to find
a locksmith that would come out on new year's day. after going thru a
dozen locksmith, we finally found one.

so we're there hanging out with lonnie, scott henry, dieselboy, and the
centrak laser guy, steve, waiting for this locksmith. i'm sure if it
weren't for our situation, it would've been alot more fun. but there
were a few light moments w/ damian & lonnie just going off. they really
kept our spirits up, despite our awful position.

finally after paying the locksmith $175 for keys, labor, & emergency 
fee (of which $50 came out my christmas money), we were finally on 
our way back home to cleveland.

i felt the worse for dawn, she felt so bad for losing her bag & keys.
plus when she got home, her mom found out she had lied about staying
at a friends house. so on top of all that, she also got grounded by
her parents. 

welp atleast when i lost my bag, something good eventually came out
of it - i got a ride to VIBRATION. i'm sure something good will come
out of it for Dawn. she deserves something good to happen to her.

welp extremely big thank you goes out to lonnie for not only letting
me into the party, when u wouldn't even let yur mom in ;} and for 
having us at yur place & letting us use yur phone to find a locksmith.
needless to say a much deserved big 'plur' t-shirt is comin atcha!

peace
love
unity
repect 

to all

and to all

a happy new year!

--
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From: Steven J White <stevenj@hyperreal.com>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
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Subject: BIGGEST BITCH

   My biggest complaint about the scene are all of the bitches who think the
scene consists of being intertained, partying, people who pledge their
undying faith to promotional companies, people who talk shit adout things
they don't know about. People who have lost sight of what it is to get up
and throw their own damn parties instead of bitching about everyone elses.
Some times this mailing list looks more like a room of fucking
holier-than-thou...let's sit around and make a slam-book of all the
companies we hate and like.  

        Guess what, all of the people involved in these companies are
people. People who have the gumption enough to get off their asses and
contribute more to the scene than PETTY juristictions on eachother......
You might find that the same energy spent on bitching can be redirected and
put to productive use.

Incase we all forget, the scene wasn't built on compitition, bitching, and
laziness.
We have become spoiled these days...we sit around and wait for big parties,
grace them with our presense, then go home giving it a 7...or an 8....

I'm sorry, that's not how it works. It is like being a spectator, you don't
DO anything but comment.I'n my opinion, you might as well be on the outside
if your not doing any work on the inside. 
It's not about every one knowing your name and your story, it's about
getting in there and showing that we are not a bunch of fools who do nothing
more than squabble amongst ourselves.

sorry, I just have a great hate for opening the family mail and watching all
this bullshit.

Alizoryn......




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sherbert <sherbert@isoc.com> said...

>        Guess what, all of the people involved in these companies are
>people. People who have the gumption enough to get off their asses and
>contribute more to the scene than PETTY juristictions on eachother......
>You might find that the same energy spent on bitching can be redirected and
>put to productive use.

Well, some of us who are doing this bitching have been involved in 
throwing some parties and have every right to 'bitch' about failings we 
see.  Besides, even if ssomeone in here hasn't been involved, why does 
that mean they can't complain about something?

Until the existence of forums like e-mailing lists it was next to 
impossible for people to vent about the failings of promoters/parties.

>I'm sorry, that's not how it works. It is like being a spectator, you don't
>DO anything but comment.I'n my opinion, you might as well be on the outside
>if your not doing any work on the inside. 
>It's not about every one knowing your name and your story, it's about
>getting in there and showing that we are not a bunch of fools who do nothing
>more than squabble amongst ourselves.

Not EVERYone can be involved in throwing parties.  



- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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Umm.. Last time I looked, When Ed Luna put out the list of promoters HE trusts the most, Ele Mental WAS ON THE LIST!! As far as I know, Ed DOES MORE THAN BITCH! He's a p[art of Ele Mental, a GREAT group of promoters in Columbus, Ohio... So, as far as I know he DOES get off his ass and throw parties... Ummmm....
That's about all I have to say about that..
*hugs-n-smooches*
-Becky =)


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         Just a little question that I was wondering if anyone could 
help me out with... I have two friends who have never been to a party 
who are going to be in the Detroit area on Jan 13th... I was wondering 
if anyone knows of a decent first time party for them...

                                         Thanks...

                                           spin.



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Well by no means is our party on jan 13th a large scale event, but it should 
be a fun time in champaign.

dj acetate (Come Together, Housequake, Inferno (acidic), and Home)
dj phil of free art (Most recently seen at the nutcracker in chitown)
dj mark (Champaign native)
and dj joaquin (ambient tunes)

this will be at the same location as the previous party.

any questions you can contact me or leave me a voice mail:

stylen@netcom.com   708-207-0779

later
acetate


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Well, basically this was like three parties in one.  I mean, you have a
major DJ lineup for the pre-party, a MAJOR DJ lineup for the party, and
another major DJ lineup for the after-party.  The Superstars just didn't
stop.  Anyway, this was my first St. Louis party and I have to say that if
all St. Louis parties are like this, I think I'll be tryin' that city out
more often.

Anyway, we got into town about 9:15 and went looking for a phone.  Met up
with some friends from home at a gas station by coincidence.  Pretty cool!
We then went to the pre-party which was held in this place called
"Otherworld."  It was pretty cool, LOTSA housey funky music.  Those St.
Louis kiddies sure do like their house  =)  The pre-party was a two-roomed
space complete with intelligent lighting, big sound, etc.  The only
complaint I have is that the sound was really distorted.  I has some
partial hearing loss after going there.  The levels needed to come down
just a bit.

Left the pre-party at about 4:00 to go and get some sleep.  Slept till
about 6:30 PM the next day.  Got up and got ready.  Went to find the party.
Parked the car and walked a ways to get to the space.  We came upon the
space (the armory) which was HUGE.  They weren't kidding when they said 100
ft. ceilings.  We walked in to be thoroughly searched and got our wrist
bands.  Then walked into the main room.  WOW!  The first thing you noticed
was the lighting.  It was definitely cool.  The argon laser hit you first.
They had a transparent/lucent screen that the laser "drew" on.  Also they
had mirrors located overhead around the room.  The laser would bounce off
of these mirrors and create a "net" of light overhead.  They had lots of
Intellabeams which would also draw on the screen and on the DJ booth which
was shrouded on the top and sides with white cloth.

The sound was nice but EQed wrong.  The bass was so overpowering that you
could hardly hear any of the rest of the music.  They fixed this for
Marusha's set but unless you really had to get in a "sweet spot" to be able
to enjoy the music to it's fullest.

Marusha...WOW!  She was the best DJ I've ever heard in my life.  She just
put every other DJ i've ever heard to shame.  You could immediately tell
when she came on...it was just SO good.  The beginning of her set was as
good as the peak of most American DJs sets.  Plus, she spun this wonderful
strain of hard German techno.  It was a real experience.  Not the same ol'
songs spun in a different sequence.  She played for 2 1/2 hours and I
couldn't stop dancing the whole time.  At first I was in the middle of the
room but I couldn't resist going up and making friends with a speaker.
Speakah' freekin' to Marusha was incredible.  I can't describe how good she
was.  She was a real vibe worker too.  The amount of interaction that went
on between her and the crowd was awesome.  She wanted to hear you scream
for the record.  She would tease you by placing the vinyl closer to the
decks with each beat.  She'd take a record off and spin it around before
putting it away.  She sang along with the music and got just as excited as
most of the people in the crowd.  This lady was the embodyment of "DJ."  If
you ever get the chance to hear her, DO IT!  There's a reason why she's the
"Mayday Queen."  Hearing her alone was worth the $25 and the trip to St.
Louis.

Overall this was an excellent party.  The only things that could have been
better were to tone down the security.  (I had a guard shine a flashlight
on me and almost search me because someone handed me a flier and they
thought it was some kinda drugs.  They were really paranoid.)  They took
your water bottles if you brought them.  THey shoulda let you have them.
The only water you could get was upstairs in the lounge and it was $1.50
for a big cup of ice water.  Plus, later on they stopped letting kids up in
the lounge.  That was whaq.  We told um to fuck off and just took a bottle
with us.  Sorry but I don't think they understood that people can die from
dehydration, and plenty of people were Xing there.  They also coulda fixed
the sound for the whole time.

Anyway, we never made it to the after-party.  And Leigh and Jen, sorry I
couldn't get together wit' cha.  Things just didn't work out.  Sorry.
Overall a very fun way to bring in the new year.  =)  I'm sure there's
stuff I forgot but those were the important parts.


PLUR,


-=(  Dave Justice   )=-
-=(ravekid@cris.com )=-
-=(indydave on vrave)=-



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I would just like to make a little remark about your little day at
work......WOW.  =)   I love your mind and I love your thoughts.  I have never
been able to say what you said,  nor have I even had the patients to find the
words.  It moved me so far into emotional meltdown that I was in physical awe
by the end of it.   You said it man, thats all I have to say about that.
 THANX, for taken the time and effort to give that to all of us to remind us
why we drive however far we have to drive just to get that feeling of
enternal LOVE.  ( and the musik of course.=)   I am willing to do anything it
takes to get Chicagos scene back on track.  Anyone who is looking for an Xtra
hand and heart, just mail me.....

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> -if you really need to travel THAT BAD, find out about the smaller 
> companies in smaller cities who have been doing good events.  in case you 
> don't know, here's my (incomplete) list of promotion crus/collectives 
> who have their heads somewhat in the right place:
> 
>  + illuminators-dayton, ohio
>  + justus-dayton, ohio
>  + spawntaneous-cleveland (most of the time)
>  + majesty/atp (with mike dearborn)-chicago
>  + herzandhiz-detroit
>  + most richie/plus-8 parties-windsor, ontario
>  + pimp scrimp-muncie, indiana
>  + ele mental-columbus (er, that's us)
>  + bambi's house parties-chicago (when's the next one, bam?)
>  + most sin production events-indianapolis
>  + brotherhood of boom-ft wayne indiana
>  
> and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??

yes i would like to add

  +FreeBass/Network 10 Productions-Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan  3 14:58:05 1996
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At 11:48 AM 1/3/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Umm.. Last time I looked, When Ed Luna put out the list of promoters HE
trusts the most, Ele Mental WAS ON THE LIST!! As far as I know, Ed DOES MORE
THAN BITCH! He's a p[art of Ele Mental, a GREAT group of promoters in
Columbus, Ohio... So, as far as I know he DOES get off his ass and throw
parties... Ummmm....
>That's about all I have to say about that..
>*hugs-n-smooches*
>-Becky =)

Okay, let me clear this up...I am not talking about people who do shit for
the scene, I 'm talking about, and to, those who pay 1,040$ a year for
parties that cost maye 11,000 dollars a piece to throw.  Multiply 1,040 by
about 30,000 kids and you have a hell of a lot more than the cost of the
party.  These are the people I address. If you not one of them, than you
shouldn't worry that I'm trying to bash you. 
        One thing I should correct about what I said is that some people who
throw parties are not giving back to the scene (I was too general when I
spoke of people throwing parties) and I don't pay to go to their parties. I
don't bitch about them, I just don't pay them. All I ment by my post, was
that  it is really hard to listen to people bitch about the parties they pay
to go to-when they can throw a party themselves. 
        Another thing: It still does no good to bitch. It doesn't make
people come out to smaller, cheaper events,  it doesn't make people get
envolved who are never going to. A person in the scene whos only reference
for a party is something that takes place in an arena is not going to think
"what happened to small, personalized parties where you pay 5$ to get in?"
Their only idea of a 5$ party is an after hours of Friday party. 
        It just seems to me that their is a generational gap of
sorts--between old school and new school.  Large parties do not have to kill
the underground...because they are not a part of it. Yea, it sucks for me to
pass forteen year olds on the street, decked out in their "I am a raver,
see!" clothes, pledging alligence to their favorite promoter(to save my self
from being beaten: I mean big promotional companies who are impersonal, sell
more tickets than their spaces hold people, fuck with smaller promoters, ect) 
        I grew up going to some great parties in Detroit, paying 7$ to see
Richie spin at the old Bankle building. But these same people who I saw
then, cost an arm&leg to get to spin, raising the cost of tickets.....That's
not underground. The word Rave has been drug through the mud....and there is
no rectifying it's meaning.  But the underground will always be underground.
It is made up of people who work hard to preserve it, even though our words
have been taken and disgraced. 
        Big parties are not any thing but an event--just like a concert.
Bitching about them as if they are suppose to be raves is useless. They
aren't. They are events. They cost a shitload to put together, and a
shitload to attend. When done properly, they can effectively keep large
amounts of capital in the scene....depending on the mentality of the
organizers. They can also suck money from the scene, and pay for nice cars
and buildings and drugs that will never be utilized by anyone but the
individuals who have aquired these things.
        
Alizoryn.......Okay--it's open season again.......................
        
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>> and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??
>> 
>tim ramsey - louisville, KY


Oh, i wonder who wrote this?  Check the address, ajc@IGLOU.COM!  Mad props to
yourself or your friends

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I am sorry to tell you but Tim Ramsey and Jennifer Barnett from Evolution are 
on my top list of best promoters. 

French E @ Maxximum Sound and Lights.
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>> and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??
>> 
>tim ramsey - louisville, KY


Oh, i wonder who wrote this?  Check the address, ajc@IGLOU.COM!  Mad props to
yourself or your friends


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Woke up saturday morning not knowing where the hell I was.  Looked up
and saw Mike/Allroy chatting with some girls I've never seen before.
Realized I was in cow-lumbus, I had gone to cleveland for Nutcracker the
night before.  Got moving 2 hours later and traveled home to dayton.
	Showered.  Cleaned my record bag out (removed shit I didn't
want to hear, filled with recently purchased shit from clubhead in
cinci).  Drove to the sight to help set-up and hopefully practice.
It was at the montgomery county fairgrounds (dayton ohio).
	They had 2 soundsystems in one huge room.  It looked like
an oversized gym with a giant trash bag in the middle.  The party
was thrown inside this gigantic hanging of black plastic material
so that the space would seem more freaky rather than a goofy oversized
gym.  The second smaller sound system was outside of the trash bag looking 
stuff at the other end of the building.
	Observed the setup for the mainroom.  Incredible.  JEEZ!!!!
It was 2 gigantic walls of sound with at least 6 incredible servo
driven subwoofers provided by Thunder Sound of Dayton.  I thought "There
is no way they will be able to have 2 soundsystems in this room with
these monsters in here."
	Observed the setup for the second room.  Uhhhhh.  Nothing
special.  But it was enough to drown out the sound from the main
room.  Of course, you could still feel the bass from those servo monsters.

PARTYTIME...
The night was kicked off with a trip-hop set spun by dayton's own Divine.
That prepared everyone for the night ahead.
	Left the spot during Divines set to go get another turntable
with Trepp of dayton.  It turned out that there wasn't going to be a
second room because Algorhythm wanted to spin with 3 tables, leaving
only one for the second room.  Got back during the beginning of Mowgli's
jungle set.  Hooked the turntable up, did a sound check, and began
my set.
	A couple people came up during the sound check.  Of course the
crew of "We don't dance but we like to stand right in front of the tables
and stare at you while you mix and hope to god you fuck up so we can
walk away" people were there right when I threw on my first record.  I
wasn't about to give them the satisfaction of walking away.  I was getting
super-tense so I smoked and smoked and smoked.  I even bummed a light from
one of the non-dancing crew.  Then I noticed they were all smiling.  
Whoo-hoo  I thought!!!  Maybe that means I'm not fucking up!  ALRIGHT!
Enough of me reviewing me...
	I went and met Terry Mullan who turned out to be a reallyuy, but didn't
nice guy, but had no time to talk because his set was in a few minutes.
"Stanton's SUCK!"  =)  Terry tore shit apart.  His scratching got
fucking good!  I love hearing scratching over hard house.  I wish more dj's  
would learn to scratch.
	Later came Union Jack's live performance...WOW WOW WOW!!!!!  OH
MY GOD WOW!!!!!  WOW!!!!!!....did I say "WOW!!!!"   OH MAN!!!!! WOW!!!!!
Anyone who was bitching about the $20 ticket price was silenced for
this performance.  Talk about incredible!  Extra-props go out to Arashh
for all that equipment!  That was once incredible set!
	Algorhythm went on later and blew heads with his 3 table
performance.  He had one record in the center which had some weird
talking on it that he mixed in and out of, reversed, and did trickswith as he spun.  (someone fix my damn typos)...
	Incredible sets were spun by Marvin and Trepp from dayton.  I
love that hyperactive "chicago" record that trepp started with.  It was
a nice change from all the mindblowing trance being spun throughout the
night.  
	In the 2nd room, Kimyon from Just-Us (dayton) was spinning some
deep house which surprisingly few people were chilling to.  I guess
everyone just wanted to have their heads explode and then travel home.
I stuck around to hear kimyon, and it sounded great!

	The party didn't end until the sun was hanging high in the sky.
I was a bit surprised by this, actually!!!  I'm fucking sick of "raves"
ending before the sun is up!  It's not a rave if you don't need to put
on your sunglasses before leaving!!!  GOOD JOB ILLUMINATORS!  Any promoter
who ends a party before the sun comes up should be shot twice in the
head.
	Stayed to sweep the floor.  Fucking water bottles and broken
plastic spoons everywhere.  Whoever the schmuck with the spoons is
should be shot along with the shitty "it's still dark outside" promoters.
Those things are a pain in the ass to clean up.  It would be nice if 
people could throw their water bottles out too.  They roll away fromthe b
the broom when you try to clean them up.
	Went to denny's, but decided not to go in.  Didn't want to see
normal people without having any sleep first.  Drove home (miraculously)
with my eyes the size of slits.  We are insane people.  Hit the bed
and passed out once again.

---ben / Dj Cylert

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shivastar6 sed:
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>> and several more.  anyone care to add to this list??
>> 
>tim ramsey - louisville, KY


Oh, i wonder who wrote this?  Check the address, ajc@IGLOU.COM!  Mad props to
yourself or your friends
=================================================================

hey i put tim/evolution on my list & my e-mail addy has no IGLOU
in it. i've only met tim once. i gave him props cuz evolution is
a damn fine production company.

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At 06:41 PM 1/3/96 -0500, ShivaStar6@aol.com wrote:
>
>Oh, i wonder who wrote this?  Check the address, ajc@IGLOU.COM!  Mad props to
>yourself or your friends

Iglou's all over in Cincinnati/Lexington/Louisville.  They are just an
internet provider.  So surely using an ISP that someone else uses does not
necessarily endorse their activities ?

Actually, I even have an iglou.com acct.  :)  Their usenet feed, a tad
above 26,000 groups, is unsurpassed in size in my internet travels.

Obmw-raves: Did no one go to that Dec 30th party in Dayton with Union
Jack?  Or was it so good that everyone blissed out or their minds got
scrambled?


Andrew
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damn, the massive crew has just arrived back from a two week tour of the
east coast via ft wayne, columbus, philly, ny, and washington dc...

granted what we did hardly ended up to be rave related, but i must suggest
this to anyone...

if you'd like to know what it's like to be in a full scale riot with 600,000
people you don't know and can't trust, make sure to attend the ball drop in
times square next year.... mind you, this is only for those who want to know
what it is like, as close as possible, that the world is going to end and
you are nothing but a cornflake cast on the ground of a swelling mass of
pathetic, delirious, drunken examples of humanity.... actually i wouldn't
suggest this experience to anyone if you'd actually like to ENJOY your new
years, then, i'd actually suggest going to a party.

there definately is nothing like running through the subway tunnels of ny
with thousands of people paying no regard for each other (watch out for that
third rail!)

there's nothing like dodging bottles flying through the air, while stepping
on broken glass, humans, knocked over street posts, horse dung, etc.

there's nothing like having HUNDREDS of cops forcing you down a street on
horses, guns and sticks drawn, while dodging firetrucks, ambulances, and
horsekicks

hell, i didn't even SEE the damn ball drop.

all relish the end of humanity....

matt massive
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Last night was to be the beginning of something wonderful for those into 
the underground dance music scene here in Milwaukee.... However it just 
proved to be a bleak reminder of how BACKASSWARD Milwaukee really is...

Revolutions had planned a "LEGAL" club event with Terry Mullan headlining 
last night at the establishment formerly know as Nitro.... The owners of 
the club fukked up and mishandled the paperwork allowing them to hold an 
all-ages event... and thus the event was unable to be held there (this 
was discovered at about 4:30 in the afternoon with the doors set to be 
opened at 8:00). The opportunity arose to use a small secluded warhouse 
off the beaten path on the south side (fine). Everything went smoothe 
lining up sound & lights, map-point & direx (almost too smoothe). 

The event opened up at about nine or nine-thirty and bumped large with an 
attendance of well over 250 (with more people still coming) by midnight. 
I don't even have to make you guess who shows up... Johnny Law with about 
15-20 supporting staff to make everyone's evening shitty.

Would they just say 'The party is over... GO HOME!!!'

			NO !!!!!

They locked everyone inside until someone with a brain a bit larger than 
all of them collectively could lump together showed up... In the 
mean-time... they amused themselves by flashing their battery powered 
light cannons in our faces and upon the floor looking for suspicious 
looks and incriminating evidence (of which they found nothing but smiles 
and cigarette butts). When the Big Bonehead arrived he decided to allow 
people out one at a time but only after taking down personal information 
and running a warrant check. This took about an hour and a half. During 
this time I was being sweated by a plain-clothed officer who wanted to 
look thru all my equipment (I brought the tables and such). She kept 
saying 'too bad I'm gonna have to confiscate all this... it looks 
expensive' (Beatch). Anyway, most of the people were out of the building 
when I was informed that we couldn't move any of the equipment to take it 
down because a police photographer was on his way over to take souvenir 
photos to show the other cops that didn't get to bust the party (actually 
I think it was to determine code violations). We wait around.... getting 
cold... finally the fat man arrives, takes his photos and leaves...

Yea we're free to leave....
				NOPE...

A couple of friends of mine at the last minute were taken downtown, one 
becasue of an old posession charge the other for an old traffic 
violation. The last couple of hours have been pretty shitty waiting for 
them to be released... at this time only one of them is out (nerves... 
arrrrgh). 

That brings me to the present... I cannot sleep... I am sick... I'm 
worried for my friend... and my lips are chapped.

Bad night for Brewtown...

I think I'll go whine on vrave now..
sk


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From: italia@iglou.com (Jennifer Palmer)
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written january 3,1996
pittsburgh,pa about 10am

okay so I am bored and stuck in a pittsburgh greyhound
station.... what could be worse? Not knowing when you
will be leaving. Funny how a blizzard can effect where 
you can end up for a day or more. God I hope not more.
Honestly it was just a 15 hour journey from cincinnati
to washington dc no a 15 hour journey back is taking
24 hours. Needless to say my new years has been an
adventure to begin with.... Staying with peekay and seeing
valentin (speeddemon) was great! even though I did not goto 
vibration in baltimore and see everyone!sorry =(

I am just sick of waiting!! my butt hurts and all!
I can sit here and tell you that this new years could 
never compair to any other and you all would just sit
and laugh because I wasn't standing infront of a speaker
the whole night... but instead I visited a friend I had
only met once before call me crazy and you will =)
but I think my nye was great! esp. not having to deal
with thousands of fucked up kids everywhere I stayed
at "home" and relaxed! yeah I miss meeting everyone (esp.
allroy again!) and seeing other old friends but I am
almost happy I didn't go... I don't know quite whyit
has been almost a month since I went to a party.

even though I am not there I think about you all
hope everyone had a happy and safe new years and
stay happy and safe thru the coming year =)

jen

Jennifer Palmer 
*Italia* italia@iglou.com


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Going to a rave in the past was a spiritual experience.. 
This is not anymore due to many factors but none more
than commercialism... The corporate minds are the ones who kill
us with their big egos and mind traveling experiences.. yes drugs
are a problem, but certainly not the cause.. 
Self-purity is the answer... through mind and body..

marc

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan  4 11:17:40 1996
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From: "Daniel K. Taylor" <tech135@Menudo.UH.EDU>
Subject: Records & Stuff.
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my friend is releasing his 4th or so record and I think some of yall 
might be intrested. It's a nice concoction of hard acid/hard house.
his former stuff has been released under labworks under the name Phreak
and on his own label Phreak as _Phreak 3_

check it out.

    daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
    tech135@menudo.uh.edu |      HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
    tech137/rotterdan on hyperreal.com 7283

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 4 Jan 96 9:36:58 
From: Chris Anderson <Chris_Anderson.HWJ. J&H . J&H__AMBASSADOR@jhmail.jh.com>
To: txraves <txraves@io.com>
Subject: TXRAVES: Records & Stuff

I am happy to say I now have the full pressing of the first release on 
Tweaked.  It is a colored 10", which I have two different varieties.  The main 
one is clear and green swirled and the other half I kinda got screwed on.  I 
was supposed to be getting some just mind-blowing rainbow colored, but when I 
opened the box, they must have quickly changed to a light blue when they were 
exposed to the outside air.

Here is the scoop on it...  There are three tracks:

 A Side - Thud (me & Andrei)
 B Side - Chemical Warfare (me)
  Isotone (Andrei)

I used "The Syndicate" as the band name, which I was later informed is also the 
name of a rap band...  Oops...  It was going to be the only time I ever used 
it, though, so no big deal...

If anyone wants one, they are $5 direct (about $2 shipping if want it mailed to 
you).  Sound Plus has some, and I am in the process of getting them to 
distributors, so they will soon be available all around.

You can e-mail or page me (713-698-4981) if you want one...  If you e-mailed a 
response b4 when I didn't have but test pressings, please let me know again...  
I get way too much e-mail at work.

Chris....................




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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:20:18 -0500
From: DjMisfit@aol.com
Subject: my new effort


Well, I hope the holidays went well.  In my time off from school I finally
got around to putting together a new tape.  

 Misfit .003

You can expect the usual representation of all styles of this thing we call
breakbeat (minus the slow breaks this time).  Get back to me y'all if you
want to check it out.

talk to you soon

-shawn
misfit
SSP



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on wednesday -Becky =) Thomas wrote:

>Umm.. Last time I looked, When Ed Luna put out the list of promoters HE
>trusts >the most, Ele Mental WAS ON THE LIST!! As far as I know, Ed DOES
>MORE THAN >BITCH! He's a p[art of Ele Mental, a GREAT group of promoters
>in Columbus, >Ohio... So, as far as I know he DOES get off his ass and
>throw parties... >Ummmm....

>That's about all I have to say about that..

>*hugs-n-smooches*
>-Becky =)

not to pick on YOU becky but sometimes you guys so sound so fuckin stupid
and totally "lets-take-everything-out-of-contextual".

we're sending re:'s back to messages that have nothing to do with what the
original statements have to do with ( that is assuming everyone READS the
posts before they reply to them - we CAN read cant we? )

sherbet made NO reference to ed in his post - but only to the FACT that
sometimes people on this list sound like a bunch of whiney 'slam-book'
writers who have nothing to do BUT bitch during the week because they're
not on their way to or from some party that they CANT WAIT to rip up on THE
NET when they get home - OH BOyyyyyeee!

sherbet's bitch has to do with people who DONT KNOW what they are talking
about, getting under his skin. - A REALLY GOOD POINT that should'nt be lost
in the shuffle just because someone who wasn't meant to be offended,
thought that he was talking about THEM...   and he wasn't.


>   My biggest complaint about the scene are all of the bitches who think the
>scene consists of being intertained, partying, people who pledge their
>undying faith to promotional companies, people who talk shit adout things
>they don't know about. People who have lost sight of what it is to get up
>and throw their own damn parties instead of bitching about everyone elses.
>Some times this mailing list looks more like a room of fucking
>holier-than-thou...let's sit around and make a slam-book of all the
>companies we hate and like.

SEE? he's talking about non-promoters, YEAH, that's right earache the
'consumer/supplier' issue comes into play here. but that's not ALL it's
about
( not saying that you meant to imply that )...

i saw ed luna mentioned in becky's post... yeah ed does more than bitch, ed
throws parties, ele mental IS a cool crew - SO FUCKIN WHAT. what does that
have to do with the credibilty of ed's "most fave" promoter's list? the
fact is the ED is like a FEW other people on this list... he, like ME, has
gone through the ups and downs, heartaches and HUGE fucking headaches of
actually putting together an event that he believes in.

BY-AND-LARGE promoters do not make up the majority of this list's subscribers.

andrew bennett had a good idea about keeping up a vote-like system ( on an
ongoing and rotating basis ) of best/worst promoters by voting in AFTER THE
FACT about your feeling about any given event and how good a job that the
promoter in question did putting it together.

GREAT IDEA - let them ( myself included ) be judged on the merit of their work.

after all, praise for a job well done and pulled off may be ALL the pay
that there is for some promoters ( ed is famous for the absolutely free or
gig-on-a-shoestring-budget parties... so TELL HIM if you had a good time )

even when your paying 15 to 25 bucks a gig the promoter MIGHT NOT be making
much. with the costs of acts, sound, spaces, lights, security, and greasing
the palms of local governing law enforcement agencies, your 25 bucks MIGHT
only be a drop in the bucket for what a party REALLY costs.
                ... but for 25 bucks you better get SOMETHING cool.


anyway the point is, dont bitch just to BITCH. at least be specific and
know what you're bitching about. this good promoters/bad promoters is a
good thread. one that needs to be REALLY exposed - cause it's NO SHIT that
some of the guys out there are only out to rip us off. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT
THAT.

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on now: 'symphony of destruction' - megadeth

talk/e at ya soon.
Kev.

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan  4 12:43:29 1996
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I was extremely happy to find out that there was going to be a good
party last weekend that was not a New-Years event.  Call me old
fashioned, but I prefer new years, at least this one, with chapagne,
ticker tapem silly hats, and those annoying as hell whistles.  I was
able to party my ass off and spend the midnight hour with friends who
just aren't into parties.  Anyhoo, this party fuckin rocked.  I was
happilly thrown off my rocker by both Terry, and Union Jack.  However, I
must say I think Terry deserves more credit for this one.  Yes, yes,
yes, Union Jack's performance was the absolute SHIT, and they are the
reason I picked this party over St. Louis, but I was mildly dissapointed
at the fact that they played only two songes I'd never heard before.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have missed it for th world, and I was
groovin as hard as I could, but it would have been nice to hear some new
material.  Especially since the recordings I have of theirs are on a
Razormaid compilation I bought in late '93.  Of course I managed to
bootleg their entire set, and about 20min of Terry's, contact me if
anyone is interested.  Terry spun that good Hard House I haven't heard
from him in a while, it seemed like he really put himself into it, which
makes all the difference with him (if anybody went to Power in Nashville
they know what I mean).  Well, it was a good party, too bad I had to
leave at about 5:00, in order to drive home safely (I'm an easy
drowser), but I saw what I came for and was wonderfully rewarded.  It is
rare for me to say that a party was worth 20$, but this was (even though
the kind doorman let me in with last 15$ I had, another plus).  Anyone
who missed it should regret it, anyone who didn't knows why. l8r.

					Jay Busch
					jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

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sherbet wrote:

>        I grew up going to some great parties in Detroit, paying 7$ to see
>Richie spin at the old Bankle building. But these same people who I saw
>then, cost an arm&leg to get to spin, raising the cost of tickets.....That's
>not underground.


1. those parties WERE the bomb - no doubt about it.

2. i PLAYED those parties with richie, boomer ( omegaman ), huckaby and
everyone
   else who was there: i.e.: some guys named kevin saunderson and juan atkins
   not to mention paris & billiebob.

3. i'll STILL play any party for $150 plus travel. OLD SCHOOL a specialty
   ( if i'm not booked already )
   whaddaya want? you're only playing for like an hour / hour&1/2. asking for
   more money than that is just hurting the party AND your chances of
   being paid at all.

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on now: 'lord of the null lines' - hyper-on experience

talk/e at ya soon.
Kev.

http://www.coil.com/~kg2



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>Going to a rave in the past was a spiritual experience..
>This is not anymore due to many factors but none more
>than commercialism... The corporate minds are the ones who kill
>us with their big egos and mind traveling experiences.. yes drugs
>are a problem, but certainly not the cause..
>Self-purity is the answer... through mind and body..
>
>marc


PAAAAAAAAAA-leazzzzzzzze.

are your parents hippie wanna-be's or what? lossen your grip on that hooka
DUDE, you've got burn marks on your hands.

does anyone else wanna take this one?


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NOT on now: 'purple haze' - hendrix

talk/e at ya soon.
Kev.



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan  4 13:37:18 1996
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Long rambling post alert.

Disclaimer #1: I'm hoping that by posting this, people will understand
better what promoters do and how problems crop up at the last minute at
every party. 

Disclaimer #2: I'm not speaking on behalf of the Illuminators, but since
they aren't likely to post (*Mike shoots a dirty look at Arash*)
themselves, here's a few cents' worth of thoughts on Trancemission, with
Ben Page's comments interspersed: 

> The party was thrown inside this gigantic hanging of black plastic material
> so that the space would seem more freaky rather than a goofy oversized gym.

Well, it was also a matter of, "okay, the doors open in a few hours, this
room is way to big, and we've got more black plastic than people should be
allowed to have.. what do we do.."  It is very typical to not have a
specific plan for utilizing the space until the very last minute, when
everyone just shows up and looks for something to do.  While this is great
from the everyone-pitches-in standpoint, the lack of communication and
foresight has its share of consequences. 

This time around, the most significant problem was the inability to
sonically isolate the secondary sound space from the overwhelming mains,
and this in turn led to some other problems that I'll talk about in a
minute.  This party had the biggest sound and light setup of any
Illuminator event, and those servo bins were really amazing.  The original
plan was to have two "rooms".  The roundhouse would have been used, had it
not been $600 more to rent and without central heat.  The Coliseum was
rented instead, but they didn't get to really inspect the space in advance
(they had used it for Kingdom of the Blind in May '94 and were just going
from memory).  Since there were no solid plans for the setup back then
(October/November), it didn't look like there would be a problem putting
two systems in that huge space.  Consequently, two rooms' worth of DJs
were booked. 

So back to the night of the party -- once the mains were hooked up and
tested, it became painfully obvious that there was no way the balcony
system would be effective.  It was decided to not use the second system,
*at all*.  Arash, Jimi and I cooked up a tentative schedule, but there was
no way to squeeze in everybody, and some DJs would have to be given short
time slots very early or very late.  Arash & Kourosh accepted
responsibility for this and were willing to negotiate with pissed-off DJs. 
Further complicating matters was the fact that nobody knew when each of
the DJs would be arriving, whether they would be willing to spin at their
designated time, or whether Union Jack would be ready to perform at their
scheduled time, so the whole schedule could have been (and pretty much
was) rearranged more than once during the party. 

> 	Left the spot during Divines set to go get another turntable
> with Trepp of dayton.  It turned out that there wasn't going to be a
> second room because Algorhythm wanted to spin with 3 tables, leaving
> only one for the second room.

Not true.  None of the DJs asked for 3 tables; it was my idea to pull one
of the 1200s for use in the main room.  I had been bugging the
Illuminators for months to provide 3 decks in the main rooms of their
parties, the reasoning being, if any of the DJs are capable of using 3
decks, they would have the opportunity; a 3-deck set can be fabulous if
the DJ knows what s/he's doing.  Each time there either weren't enough
turntables to spare, or there wasn't enough room near the mixer, or the
mixer couldn't take 3 phono inputs, or whatever.  But this time the
opportunity presented itself: a good mixer, just enough room to place
another turntable, and a couple of spare Technics sitting upstairs.  Arash
gave the OK and Chris Metzler and I hooked up the third deck.  This
happened before all the local DJs had arrived.  A breakdown in
communication happened somewhere along the line, and of course the result
was two sound systems ended up competing for the crowd's attention. 

Maybe I'm pulling an Ed Luna here (hi Ed ;) and getting paranoid that my
local scene is being misunderstood/shafted/dissed, but I know for a fact
that there were people there who were complaining about how the
Illuminators did a terrible job setting up the second room, when in fact
Arash & Kourosh were forced to choose between either 1.  having two rooms
to appease the DJs at the expense of dividing the crowd and putting the
sound systems in competition with each other (detracting from the
effectiveness of both systems), or 2. having only one room, uniting the
crowd at the expense of pissing off the DJs, and lessening the perceived
value of the admission price.  Granted, the whole thing might have been
avoided with better communication and planning, but hindsight is 20/20...
that said, there are countless examples at every party of how the
best-laid plans get blown to pieces without fail.  Everything really does
come together at the last second, for better and sometimes for worse. 


> 	I went and met Terry Mullan who turned out to be a reallyuy, but didn't
> nice guy, but had no time to talk because his set was in a few minutes.

Don't type with your mouth full :) :)

> 	Algorhythm went on later and blew heads with his 3 table
> performance.  He had one record in the center which had some weird
> talking on it that he mixed in and out of, reversed, and did trickswith as he spun.

It was a record documenting an Apollo mission, with lots of astronaut
dialogue. Algorhythm's set was really good, one of the best of the night,
but he was very disappointed with it and was especially upset about the
drumming which was throwing off his mixing.  I don't know how many people
noticed it, but one of the guys from Union Jack had brought a couple of
tall, African-looking conga-sounding drums with him and was playing one,
quite well I might add, over most of Algorhythm's set.  The drum was miked
and going through the sound system mixer and the monitors, as well as
through the main speakers.  Since the drum was being played in time with
the music coming over the mains, which are delayed slightly from what the
DJ hears through the monitors, the drumming was to his ears out of sync
with the music, and in his frustration he almost lost it on a couple of
mixes.  I told him his set still sounded absolutely fantastic, but he
wasn't convinced.  If we had known there would be live drumming over a
DJ's set we could have rigged up something better or at least EQ'd out the
drum on the monitors.  If anyone here talks to Algorhythm in the near
future, let him know what happened, because I think he left mad, not
realizing that the drumming sounded absolutely mind-blowing over his set
and that he was the only one who could hear the delay. 

> 	Incredible sets were spun by Marvin and Trepp from dayton.  I
> love that hyperactive "chicago" record that trepp started with.  It was
> a nice change from all the mindblowing trance being spun throughout the
> night.  

Yes!!  I felt bad about giving Marvin such a late time slot after hearing
his set.  Slow breaks / slow acid / trip house sorta thing.. very
different and very refreshing. 

> Whoever the schmuck with the spoons is should be shot 

Yeah, what was up with that?  Someone brought enough spoons to build a
castle, and dumped them all over the floor. 


The other big problem was the cancellations.

On the day of the party, Mark Gage called Kourosh and cancelled, having
lost all his sequences the night before and being unwilling to perform to
a DAT or to just spin.  Mark was having trouble speaking on the phone and
was sincerely regretting not being able to make it.  Some of you might
recall he had to pack up after his sound check at Voodoo (Sep '94, Dayton)
when that party got shut down and moved to a club.  At the last minute
they were able to get Goodwill, the East Coast's friendliest DJ, who
happened to be in Cleveland that day. 

James Pennington's booking agency cancelled his appearance about a week
earlier for reasons which won't be discussed here (dirty laundry).  It
turned out to be for the better, because the party's budget had already
forced the ticket price up to $20. 

I personally don't feel that very many raves are worth $20, but one small
consolation is knowing that these promoters aren't turning around and
selling E at their own party to make up for a low admission fee.  If
anyone wants to complain about the prices, they should first ask the
promoters to see the budget.  It won't always be possible to do this until
after the party is over, and it may seem a little strange to ask something
like that, but believe me, if the promoters are on the up & up they'll be
more than willing to prove to you that you're getting what you paid for. 
We even considered posting the budget by the door at Trancemission. I did
make a point to post the tentative lineup and an explanation of the Vapour
Space cancellation at the entrance so that nobody would feel like their
arm was being twisted.  And we also scheduled Union Jack's performance
fairly early, in part because of my recent trip up to Cleveburg to see
Rabbit in the Moon (I turned around and left because it was $20, one room,
the headlining DJ wasn't on the bill, the live acts didn't start till at
least 4am, and we had to be in Cincinnati in the early morning.. turns out
the party was alright after all, though.)

Every party is a learning experience for the people who put it on, and
nothing ever goes as planned, so we should all be as constructive and fair
as we are critical and condemning in our assessments of the quality of
parties and the promoters who organize them.  Likewise, promoters should
learn from mistakes and anticipate people's reactions to lineup changes
and relatively high ticket prices. I really hope there is no bad blood
between the Illuminators and the local DJs who were relegated to
undesirable time slots or dropped from the lineup.  There was no
disrespect intended at any point. Please, *please* talk with Kourosh and
Arash directly about any concerns or frustrations you may have. I'm sure
they will make it up to you. 

Anyway, there were no other disasters, everyone seemed to have a good
time, the lights, lasers, sound, DJs, and Union Jack were all incredible,
the space was comfortable and safe, and in spite of the setbacks
everything came off without a hitch, lasting until about 7:30 or 8 in the
morning.  Thanks to all who came out and all who helped clean up (I wasn't
one of them.. zzZZZZZzzz). 

Mike

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I had an incredible time at this party what can I say? I felt rpoed off at the
door but after the party I felt completely different.  Union Jack was fucking
incredible (excuse the language but it fits).  Terry Mullans also blew me away
the only time I have heard him spin better was the next nite at St, Ki`K Louis
(am I the only one who thought he was good at star generation? no one else 
mentioned him in their reviews of the party.0).  I would like a copy of that
Union Jack tape -Jay.  And if it wasn't already said the sound system at 
trancemission was absolutely incredible very very loud and very clean sounding.
Trancemission reminded me of how a lot of parties use to be not only was the sound incredible but there were people wandering aound giving out hugs to anyone 
and everyonce in awhile you could see a mess of people on the floor making out
sure a lot of that comes from people doing sertain drugs but I miss seeing that
stuff at parties (really I'm not a voyeur or anything it just adds hmm... 
atomshpere?).  Oh well excuse the spelling my terminal wont let me backspace.

later
sluckboy

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What a long weekend.

We (the Maxximum crew) were already tired from the lights show in Dayton. We 
got there around 4 (if my memory is not failling me). The power was a 
nightmare. However wired that building should get their electrician lisence 
revoqued. The color code on the wires were WRONG. I tape in, turned on my 
distro box and boom...gone...I the wire color code was wrong so instead of 
getting 120 volts I was getting 280 volts. ( I love carvers, they will not 
turn on if the voltage is wrong). I am luky I did not loose my system that 
night. Anyway, Diversified, Maxximum, Eyegasm and Phycosis has to plug in in a 
75 kw auto transformer. not good.

The party started a little late and they were so many people waiting 
ouside....I mean a lot of people.
I new the party was gonna be succesfull. But, we ran into a Big problem....so 
neighboors did not like the pounding bass (diversified and maxximum had they 
volume at 30% at the beginning of the party). Thanks to those neighboors, we 
never got the chance and/or the pleasure to turn up the system. Around 11 pm, 
we had to shut off all the amps feeding the bass. So during the whole nite, 
people never got the full effect which affected the vibe.

Drop Bass, ATP and Core's people tried everything possible to get more 
volume....Kurt almost went to jail. If I was a cops, I would say fuck those 
few people trying to sleep and let those 3000 people party. Got damm it.

I waited 12 hours to bring the bass up and yes 15 minutes before the end, I 
turned up the system to full power. At least the few people left got the feel 
both sound systems.

The light show was really good and by the way, there were not 14 intellabeams, 
there were :
6 Intellabeams, 3 Trackspots, 8 mini ultra scan MSD 200, and 3 emulators.
in the other room were the Godlight (behind the dj), lasers and emulators.

This party could have been so good if the city of Rockford could have been 
more open minded.
IMHO, if we have been pushing all the systems full power, we would have killed 
the 75 kw transformer and probably killed the electrical for a few blocks. 
There was not enough power to feed everything.

Well, it was after all a pretty good party, a lot better than St louis from 
what I heard. I can't wait for even further 3.

I am glad I finnaly meet Steven J in person (he is a cool smart person, nice 
to have him around) and so many other net people.

I did not pay to much attention to djs due the stress I was going thrue, but 
Mindrive did an awsome set...very good....

Happy new fucking year to every one and let 1996 be better than 1995.

PS : I don't need a green card....got me E-2 visa for 2 more years.

French E @ Maxximum Sound and Lights

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So, let me get this straight.  Terry Mullan played both in St.Louis and 
in Dayton on New Years eve (day?)  Its a mightly long drive betwen the 
two cities.  Is anyone completely sure what the deal is on this one?  
People I know who spent there $25 at Star Generation claimed they saw 
him there spinning in the main room.  But, others on this list have 
mentioned that Mullan spun at Trancemission.  Can Terrry Mullan now 
teleport...

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On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Kevin Grimm wrote:
> >This is not anymore due to many factors but none more
> >than commercialism... The corporate minds are the ones who kill
> >us with their big egos and mind traveling experiences.. yes drugs
> >are a problem, but certainly not the cause..
> >Self-purity is the answer... through mind and body..
> >
> >marc
> 
> PAAAAAAAAAA-leazzzzzzzze.
> 
> are your parents hippie wanna-be's or what? lossen your grip on that hooka
> DUDE, you've got burn marks on your hands.
> does anyone else wanna take this one?

I think you put this rather nicely.  A "rave" is an experience. Not an 
out of body experience.  You dont transport into other worlds or 
anything.  But, the key to having any sort of positive experience (one 
might call spiritual) is the ability to get off at the party.  You as a 
party goer should inhance the party by doing such things as:
1.) dancing to the music, not to music which isnt there or not at all
2.) being cool with the drugs you take.  before an assault led by the 
    anti-drug forces hits me, remember that parties w/ drugs is 
    reality, so the least one can do is act responsible with the drugs in 
    question. (ex: dont let yourselv flip out, be semi-sly, dont take 
    what you know that you cant handle, etc.)
3.) smile, and socialize if you feel up to it. 

And yeah, the hippy lines are way out of touch.  I'm not a hippy, never 
was a "raver."  I'm in it for the music, and that music is where I have 
found my "spiritual experience."
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trancemission was on a saturday night...=)
star generation was on sunday night...i saw terry at star generation as 
well as at the after party so i know he was there

=)
+--dAn--+

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Fathom 2 - A Deeper Funk
Nashville, TN
Saturday, January 13

cuttin, scratchin, and funkin it up.......

DJ Dan......San Frandisco

FeelGood....Baltimore

Mystic Bill.....Chicago

Terry Mullan....Chicago

Jeff Feller.....St. Louis

Bao Le Huu....Nashville

Darryl Lovebomb....Nashville


intelligent lighting by Active/Atlanta
     
sound by Maxximum

live video mixing and vibe enhancement by Optimystiq/Nashville

the party begins at 8 and ends at 7

pre-sale tix available for $13 at Southern Fried Funk, 



                
SFF is located at 



1517 Church St. Nashville

pre-party at SFF Friday Jan. 12 from 10 - 2, $3 admission

for directions call the BAM! info line at 615-780-3730      


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ok here is the short but so so review on star generation..

saturday night was a great time leigh spun one of the best sets of the 
evening in the main room..for 2 hours she had the srowd rocking through 
hard house,Acid House,minimal Techno,and Straight up ACID!!!, Robert 
Armani's Set Saturday Night Rocked As Well!!!
Highlights of the evening saturday night was 
ROBERT ARMANI doin it like he always does HARD AND SWEET
DEVIL GIRL  Rockin shit tuff enough
JUSTIN LONGS Set was nice as well...

too bad it was At the Other World Cause In the Main room you couldnt see 
the Dj...Alot oF people didnt know it was leigh until they went to the 
door of the dj booth to see who was spinning =) they were suprised
the guy who followed Leigh Was Really Good Also his name Was MATTY

that was saturday nice little intimate vibe with about from my best guess 
about 350 people

on to sunday night...well since my friend marc(from vrave) came over here 
from germany to visit JenDobis(from vrave/Lafayette) and Leigh and i we 
all went to the party...we arrived right at the end of astroboy's set 
which i was mad that i missed...and we walked around for a bit trying to 
get into the groove....Marusha came on and Did a really nice set..BTW as 
It was said earlier in another post.."marusha played some really nice 
german techno" or what ever...MOst of the records Marusha Played Were 
Made In CHICAGO AND DETROIT...leigh and i both have Most of the Records 
She played that night..with the exception of when she moved into more 
Breakbeat near the end of her set...i Started feeling a vibe during her 
set and was starting to have Fun..after her set we went off to search out 
the rest of the party...it was nice to see some familiar Faces *hi JJ* =)
and Traxx and Justin Long but we started to lose our enjoyment of the party
...
Terry mullan's set was Good as far as the traxx he was playing.. No 
offense terry.. i just Dont Like When Dj's Scratch Over Techno and even 
house it just doesnt sound Good...ive heard Sets By Terry That Has Blown 
ME away Like his Set At SPASTIK in Detroit in 94...But tonight was one of 
those nights i guess and i know why but i wont go into that ;) any ways...we 
made our way to the the ambient room but it was called the Lunar Love 
Lounge.. which when we got up ther ethey wer eplaying some Nice HardStep 
Jungle Traxx which was great =) i love chillin out and just listening to 
jungle..it was hard which was a suprise for an ambient room..but it was 
the nicest place in the whole party Ran into miles meada and talked for a 
bit and he started his set with Steve Miller Band "fly like an eagle" it 
was funny...oh well i really didnt have fun at the party until like way 
late ..after the main party ended Those untranslatable kids and i all 
went to steak and shake to eat and then to the After PArty=) i got there 
And MEl(TRAXX) Was tearing Shit Up =) his set was nice..then KAZU fron St 
louis Went on and his set was Pumpin Pretty Good Until Keoki came to the 
after party and kicked him off of the turntables so that He Could Spin 
For the 3Rd Time at the party...ONCE WAS ENOUGH!!!!! especially since 
Marc,Jen, Leigh And i saw him go on in the 2cnd room and decided ok we 
will Stay Until HE Fucks Up a Mix...We were not there long..we left after 
his first mix...his set on the main floor was lame as well..and i fell 
asleep during his set at the afterparty...when i woke up HIPP-E was 
playing and i guess some one said him and terry were supposed to be tag 
teaming..*shrugs* i missed it...i left with JJ and His Crew form 
lexington and we all went to deep grooves and hung out ..i said my 
goodbye's and walked 3 blocks to my apartment...and Went to sleep

Highlights of the Actual Party
MARUSHA'S set was nice
the jungle in the ambient room (which i think one of the reasons it was 
so nice was because the ambient room was small and intimate)
LAUGHING AT KEOKI 3 TIMES HAHAHAHAHAH ok Make That 4
TRAXX'S SET
And TRIP SEQUENCE (live P.A.) in the second room right before KEOKI Went 
on ..They did a really GOOD job

ok that was my Very Opinionated Review of the Star Generation
BTW indy Dave..if you thought Star generation was the shit
most of the other parties in st louis are really nice and there is 
something on the Horizon..BUT IM NOT TELLING YET!!! =)

peace
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On Thu, 4 Jan 1996 S004TRD@nova.wright.edu wrote:

> Union Jack tape -Jay.  And if it wasn't already said the sound system at 
> trancemission was absolutely incredible very very loud and very clean sounding.
> Trancemission reminded me of how a lot of parties use to be not only was the sound incredible but there were people wandering aound giving out hugs to anyone 
> and everyonce in awhile you could see a mess of people on the floor making out
I can't believe that people actually thought that sound system was good.  
 That had to be one of the worst put together sound systems I have ever 
seen.  Yes the servo's did save the sound, BUT because the sound company 
didn't know what the fuck they were doing, those 6 servodrives produced 
less bass that 2 properly used servo's.  Six servos should have exploded 
that building instead of producing barely adequate bass.  I am a huge 
fan of the servos but I have never seen them utilized so poorly.         
Plus the highs 
were way out of tune, indeed down right annoying in the EQing.  Cobbled 
together systems like the one at transmission suffer from several 
inherent limitations, the most notable of which was the cancellation of 
frequencies result from the various speakers being out of phase.  

Well, enough bitching about the sound, the party itself was pretty good.  
Union Jack was great, and several of the djs had excellent sets.  
Overall, a good solid production that was kept from greatness by three 
factors, two of which were beyond the Illuminators control.  The sound 
and Vapour Space's cancellation (expecially this) detracted somewhat.  
Also, a point no-one has made.  Promotion hurt this party in the 
attendence category.  Sorry, I just don't like small parties for other 
than hanging out.  To really get me excited, large numbers of dancing 
maniacs are required (preferably >2000 but at least 1000).  

All in all, a solid effort that did nothing to dimenish the Illuminators 
reputations as a top notch production company.  Its just being the picky 
person that I am there were a few things that could have been better.
I am looking forward to the next illuminators event and they have my full 
support for their future endevours.

tim


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There have been some more additions to the bassrush line-up.

In the house room, spinning a house set rarely seen outside of NYC
FRANKIE BONES, this is in addition to his set in the main room :-).

Also, from the UK 
DIABLO  resident for Fantasia and Ministry of Sound, as well as touring 
all over Europe.  He is one the most respected house dj's in Europe.

Mikey B has been moved to the Teknomania room where he properly belongs.

tim


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Here is the complete Line-up for march 9th

EVOLUTION presents

VORTEX
march 9th, 1996

DJS

Lenny Dee    industrial strength
Carlos       sf
Ian Mariano  Church, cleveland
subgenius    Cincy  G-fli

Performing live hard trance

THEORY COLLAPSE    columbus

Sound by MAXXIMUM
lights by EYEGASM
Utopia

Both Lenny and Carlos will be spinning Extended sets.

tickets will be $10 adv/ $12 at the door



tim
evolutionary net boy

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>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:14:44 -0500 (EST)
>From: The Virtual Addict <harrej@gort.canisius.edu>
>To: NE Raves <NE-RAVES@world.std.com>
>Subject: NER: MDMA Survey...cont'd
>
>Hey all...
>
>	Thanks to Bob (Hiya) for posting the MDMA Research info.  I 
>called at the request of a friend (of course) cuz it's local for me in 
>hopes of saving a few folks the ld call.
>
>Their testing does NOT involve administering MDMA (doh)
>They require people who have had 75 hits+ of E

$25.00 (avg. MDMA price) x 75 (MDMA Pills) = $1,875.00 (spent on drugs)
4 (avg. hours of Euphoria) x 75 (MDMA Pills) = 300 (hours of being a superstar)
8 (avg. hours of being strung out) x 75 (MDMA Pills) = (600 hours of hell)

I think my point is made... Drugs are a shitty reason to party and live life.
Get a hobby or something.. It is cheaper.

John Sin - Raves Suck


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From: DJ Steven Kaye <weasel@ramona.cyborganic.com>
To: mw-raves <mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com>
Subject: Mac'n Cheeze Fezt @ Ms. Wiggles house... MKE, WI.
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This is only an announcement... take it for what it is worth..

giggle


Ms. Wiggles (Ellen) is back from Oakland, CA where she attends Mills 
College of Procrastination. I was personally informed that the now famous 
Mac'n Cheeze Fezt of days gone by will resurface in it's original locale, 
hosted by both of the Anonymous Girlz... Ms. Wiggles & Jewleeya.

This is not a map point event... however you need to call the Anonymous 
'zine voice mail to obtain directions.
						414.256.1343
		Mac'n Cheeze Fezt

			Friday, January 5, 1996

				6:00 PM 'til ???????????

-----     -----     -----     -----     -----     -----     -----     ------
This is a low kilo event... that will pump you up with carbos as we will all
        be heading to a supah rad basement torpedo party afterwards.

       To my knowledge folks spinnin' at the basement party will be...

		Tim K., Dion, Doormouse, Steven Kaye, Yanu
		& some other techno fun lovin' freaks...

   There is no way to get to the Torpedo party except to load up on funky 
     coloured mac'n cheeze with all us freaks... so please don't pester.

	   All events will throw down in the Milwaukee area, 
		    generally close to the lake.

		    Remember Friday, January 5th
		      Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA

			  MAC'N CHEEZE FEZT
			    414.256.1343
_____________________________________________________________________________

'I have breathed the precious breath and kissed the joy of my existence.'
					-unknown graffiti writer
DJ Steven Kaye	|	    UNIT
(414)575-0951	|	(414)777-3911			weasel@anonymous.com
_____________________________________________________________________________


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tim sed:
=================================================================
Here is the complete Line-up for march 9th

EVOLUTION presents

VORTEX
march 9th, 1996

DJS

Lenny Dee    industrial strength
Carlos       sf
Ian Mariano  Church, cleveland
subgenius    Cincy  G-fli

Performing live hard trance
                                                                                
THEORY COLLAPSE    columbus

Sound by MAXXIMUM
lights by EYEGASM
Utopia

Both Lenny and Carlos will be spinning Extended sets.
=================================================================

omigawd omigawd extended sets by lenny & carlos!!!

two of my fav dj's under one roof!!!

how the hell am i supposed to retire if tim keeps planning all
these bomb partys?!

ack!

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Recorded by Buckner & Garcia

                PAC MAN FEVER
______________________________________________
I gotta pocket full of quarters,
And I'm headed to the arcade.
I don't have a lotta money
But I'm bringing everything I've made.
I've gotta callus on my finger,
And my shouder's hurtin' too.
I'm gonna eat 'em all up,
Just as soon as they turn blue.

'Cause I've got Pac-Man Fever
Pac Man Fever
It's driving me crazy
driving me crazy
I've got Pac Man Fever
Pac-Man Fever
I'm going out of my mind
going out of my mind
I've got Pac Man Fever
Pac Man Fever
I'm going out of my mind
going out of my mind.

I've got all the patterns down,
Up until the ninth key.
I've got Speedy on my tail,
And I know it's either him or me.
So I'm heading out the back door,
And in the other side.
Gonna eat the cherries up,
And take 'em all for a ride.

Chorus

I'm gonna fake it to the left,
And move it to the right,
'Cause Pokey's too-slow,
And blinky's out of sight.

Now I've got 'em on the run,
And I'm looking for the high score.
So it's once around the block,
And I'll slide out the back door.
I'm really cookin' now,
Eating everything in sight.
All my money's gone,
So I'll be back tomorrow night.

Chorus
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> Terrry Mullan now teleport...

He can on TWA or United Airlines ...

earache
Professor Earache
=================>
beatPHREAKsociety

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Hey y'all, I was the one who first posted to mw-raves regarding the bust 
last wednesday. After conversations with a friend I've decided to call 
the ACLU. They are more than willing to aid us in our cause. However, 
what we must do is: make official complaints that will go on record, and 
log them with the ACLU. The ACLU cannot put together a strrong case until 
we show a pattern of harassment (I don't think that will be too hard to 
accomplish in this city). Anyway, for those that don't know I was 
detained really really long because I wanted my equipment (obvously), 
durring this time I hung with the cops. They were relatively cool, but, 
their main concern was fire codes and fire hazzards. They were also 
debating who would get the fines if and when they are levied. 

IF ERIC OR SHANNON, MR. BILL, TYLER, RUBIN, JOE THE OLD MANAGER FROM NITRO, 
MYSELF, LASER BOB OR ANYONE ELSE GETS IMPLICATED WITH RESPONSIBILITY
REGARDING FIRE CODES... WE WILL PROTEST. THE COPS DETAINED US ALL IN THE
SAME STRUCTURE THEY CONSIDERED 'UNSAFE'. 

IF YOU WERE IN ATTENDANCE (or know anyone who was) PLEASE CONTACT US. 

You can contact me thru email at: weasel@cyborganic.com
You can reach us via voice mail at: 414.777.3911

I am filing a complaint, and loging it with the ACLU. The more people 
that comlain, the more weight our complaint will carry.

thanks,
I'm off my soapbox now.
sk
_____________________________________________________________________________

'I have breathed the precious breath and kissed the joy of my existence.'
					-unknown graffiti writer
DJ Steven Kaye	|	    UNIT
(414)575-0951	|	(414)777-3911			weasel@anonymous.com
_____________________________________________________________________________


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                             (E)CSTATIK presents

                                 S > P > A > R > K
                           minneapolis ... 01.13.96

[ live performance by ]
>
> INVISIBLE / Kevin Whitley
> Funky acid monster from the Drop Bass & Communique
> record labels, dropping a live infectious groove for the    
> party people in need of a beat to phreak.
>

[ cutting the wax with extra-ordinary skill ]
>
> PHANTOM 45
> Chi-town bad bwoy, dropping the bass for the first time
> ever in minneapolis.  Prepare to get sorted by Chicago's
> ruffest selector.
>
> E-F-E-X
> Laying the thick trance grooves, chi's Assailant will be
> bombing the vibe with hand raising and heart stopping
> selections insured to get your ass in gear.

[ local freaks to be in attendance ]
>
> Mr. E-Tonez
> dj DRONE
> dj Apollo
> + many others TBA

> Fire Juggles and Improvisational Dance Performance
>                    and Free Morning Treats!!                        

[ info lines ]
> 6 1 2 . 4 0 7 . 0 4 9 4

-------------------------------------------------------------------

I think this is prolly the first party (other than Charlie's Angels) 
that is entirely produced by humans of the female persuasion in 
minneapolis.

Should be phat as hell.  Sound is being supplied by TMS and set-up by 
beatPHREAKsociety.  Hopefully this will be a step to a return to the 
source and not a step in the other direction towards wannabe 
commercial success.  I know the girls throwing this and they got all 
the right intentions - so MINNEAPOLIS, step out and support these 
people cuz they got it going...

earache
Professor Earache
=================>
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> I am filing a complaint, and loging it with the ACLU. The more
> people that comlain, the more weight our complaint will carry.

FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wazn't there but christ yeah it's good to hear someone finally 
steppin forward and bitin' back.

earache
Professor Earache
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fuck yeah!!  i remember that song!  i think it was the first 45rpm 
record i ever owned!

thanks for the flashback  :)

--star*

(either this is really funny, or i REALLY need some sleep)


> Recorded by Buckner & Garcia
> 
>                 PAC MAN FEVER
> ______________________________________________
> I gotta pocket full of quarters,
> And I'm headed to the arcade.
> I don't have a lotta money
> But I'm bringing everything I've made.
> I've gotta callus on my finger,
> And my shouder's hurtin' too.
> I'm gonna eat 'em all up,
> Just as soon as they turn blue.
> 
> 'Cause I've got Pac-Man Fever
> Pac Man Fever
> It's driving me crazy
> driving me crazy
> I've got Pac Man Fever
> Pac-Man Fever
> I'm going out of my mind
> going out of my mind
> I've got Pac Man Fever
> Pac Man Fever
> I'm going out of my mind
> going out of my mind.
> 
> I've got all the patterns down,
> Up until the ninth key.
> I've got Speedy on my tail,
> And I know it's either him or me.
> So I'm heading out the back door,
> And in the other side.
> Gonna eat the cherries up,
> And take 'em all for a ride.
> 
> Chorus
> 
> I'm gonna fake it to the left,
> And move it to the right,
> 'Cause Pokey's too-slow,
> And blinky's out of sight.
> 
> Now I've got 'em on the run,
> And I'm looking for the high score.
> So it's once around the block,
> And I'll slide out the back door.
> I'm really cookin' now,
> Eating everything in sight.
> All my money's gone,
> So I'll be back tomorrow night.
> 
> Chorus
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> \\\\\\\\\\\\     Ken Lawrence               \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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> \\\\\\\\\\\\     (818) 259-1391             \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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>    
> 
> 
> 

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Theoretically there exists a perfect possibility of happiness: To believe in the indestructible element in onself and not strive after it. --Kafka

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Can anyone give 3 people a ride to chicago on jan. 6 for Perplexer from dayton
they'll give gas money etc..

sluckboy

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today is friday.  tonight is empty.  please help me.  is there anything
going on tonight aorund about or closely outside the st. paul minniapolis
area tonight.  if so please send me somthing or somthing or somthing.
                                and also,  is anyone going to dedicated
tommorow,  if so speak now or forever hold your peace.....

                                                        hold your peace out.
                        -ROCKETBOY



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what dj's are spinning at perplexer this saturday and what are the main
lines?

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With no other fanfare than this message, the new calendar is finished, on 
its way and now on the ftp site.  You'll see why the delay was no big 
deal after seeing the few new postings.  Have a fun and safe weekend!


- stevenJ

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Originally Mike Paradinas (mu-Ziq) was billed to be playing live at star
generation.  none of the reviews have mentioned him.  can anyone confirm
whether or not he was there???  if so, how was his set?????

peeeeeeeeeeece,

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:12:51 -0500
From: David Borden <borden@intr.net>
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Subject: DRCNet Reform Calendar

*****************************************************************
            Drug Reform Coordination Network (DRCNet)
                       Rapid Response Team
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Please copy and distribute.
--------------------------


(DRCNet will periodically distribute a calendar of upcoming events of
 interest to reformers -- TV programs, lectures, rallies, conferences,
 etc.  We would greatly appreciate any information you can share with
 us to help us make the calendar as complete as possible.)

Two TV programs coming up:

CNN Presents will be airing a special on the Cali Cartel -- "How it
rose.  How it fell.", Sunday, Jan. 7, 9pm EST

Prisoners of the War on Drugs, a film by Marc Levin with Prison Life
Magazine, will air Monday, Jan. 8, 10 pm EST/PST on HBO.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Those in the New York area might be interested in some of the seminars
coming up at The Lindesmith Center:

Thursday, January 18th, 1996, 4pm
Consciousness Wars & the Mutating Body of Modernity
Jay Stevens, author of Storming Heaven: LSD and the American Dream, 
explores the extent to which advanced industrialized societies make 
war on some drugs and bodystates, while promoting others.  Stevens 
analyzes a subconscious agenda of such societies: the attempt to 
identify, maintain, and even formally legislate a "normal" spectrum of 
consciousness.
     
Thursday, February 1st, 1996, 4pm
Controlled Hedonism: The Evolution of Ecstasy
Marsha Rosenbaum, Ph.D., co-author of Pursuit of Ecstasy: The MDMA 
Experience and director of the new San Francisco office of The 
Lindesmith Center ("TLC-West"), analyzes the nature and context of 
controlled use of psychedelics among middle-class Americans.  Dr. 
Rosenbaum is also author of Women on Heroin, Just Say What? and 
(forthcoming) Pregnancy and Illegal Drug Use.
     
Thursday, February 22, 1996, 4pm
Syringe Exchange Update: Why Hasn't the Data Changed Policy?
Denise Paone, assistant professor of epidemiology and social medicine 
at Albert Einstein School of Medicine, examines syringe exchange 
evaluation data, including the most recent national survey, and 
discusses why the federal government has not responded to this 
evidence by lifting the ban on funding these programs.  Dr. Paone is a 
senior research associate and principal investigator at Beth Israel 
Medical Center's Chemical Dependency Institute.
     
Seminars are held at the Open Society Institute
888 Seventh Avenue, 27th floor, enter on 56th or 57th St. All are 
welcome, but seating is limited.
Please call The Lindesmith Center at (212)887-0695 to reserve a place.

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The New Jersey State Senate Law and Public Safety Committee will hold 
its second hearing on the asset forfeiture laws in early 1996.  If you 
are interested in being informed when the hearing date is set, send your 
name and phone number to

  Anne M. Stefane
  Senate Law and Public Safety Committee
  CN 068
  Trenton, NJ   08625-0068
  FAX: 609/292-6510

Notification will be made by telephone, so be sure to include your phone 
number in your correspondence.  If you can't make the hearing, but want 
the committee to know your views, you can send your written comments to 
Ms. Stefane at the above address.

For more information, please contact John Paff, Forfeiture Endangers 
American Rights, P.O. Box 5424, Somerset, NJ  08875-5424, voice 
908/873-1251, e-mail j.paff1@genie.com.  If you intend to testify, John 
requests that you contact him in advance, to coordinate with others who 
are testifying.

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Subject: Re: Club event turned Warehouse bust Wed. night MKE, WI. (fwd)

Shannon Magnani wrote:
> 
> well here is a little story about eric and me's new warehouse:
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 04:26:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: DJ Steven Kaye <weasel@ramona.cyborganic.com>
> To: mw-raves <mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com>
> Subject: Club event turned Warehouse bust Wed. night MKE, WI.
> 
> Last night was to be the beginning of something wonderful for those into
> the underground dance music scene here in Milwaukee.... However it just
> proved to be a bleak reminder of how BACKASSWARD Milwaukee really is...

[ account of police BS deleted ]

It is important that you don't allow this to slide.
Write to your police comissioner, write to the mayor of
the city of Milwaukee.  You do have a voice.  If you
use it, you *can* get results.  Remember, you *vote*.

The local cops did something very similar at a
motorcycle rally that was sponsored by BMW and Honda
in one of the Carolinas (I foget which).  The detained
and searched *everyone* in attendance.  I guess they
figured all these lowlife motorcyclists must be criminals
or something.  They even videotaped everyone.  Anyway,
they really pissed off a lot of people.  They city was
sued and lost.  (something about lacking probable cause)
There were personnel changes at the police department...

It can be done.

-Mark

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jan  6 11:39:56 1996
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A similar thing happened here in bloomington, indiana.  similar to
the motorcycle thing steven mentioned.  they searched a park full of
kids here thinking that since they looked alternative they all were
part of a gang or some silly notion.  all were searched and 1 gun
was found.  the owner of the gun had a permit and is now suing the city
for i think $50,000.  2 others are also suing the city and they all are
likely to win.  definitely seek action on this stuff!  you can make a
difference!  

                ...devin       
 ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu  
        ..."TriPtoNitE"

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Mu-ziq was not at star generation..unfortunatley =|
someone here in st louis told him that it probably wouldnt go off and 
that the super stars would not be able to get the equipment he needed to 
perform..so mike cancelled =|
+--dAn--+

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mark sed:
=================================================================  
It is important that you don't allow this to slide.
Write to your police comissioner, write to the mayor of
the city of Milwaukee.  You do have a voice.  If you
use it, you *can* get results.  Remember, you *vote*.

The local cops did something very similar at a
motorcycle rally that was sponsored by BMW and Honda
in one of the Carolinas (I foget which).  The detained
and searched *everyone* in attendance.  I guess they
figured all these lowlife motorcyclists must be criminals
or something.  They even videotaped everyone.  Anyway,
they really pissed off a lot of people.  They city was
sued and lost.  (something about lacking probable cause)
There were personnel changes at the police department...

It can be done.

-Mark
===================================================================

also in pittsburgh, after the wack press reports of the TUNNELVISION
party & the unruly complaints of the neighbors at the site. ravers
were able to sway the opinion of the general public by calling the
governor. the general public will believe the biased reports of the
press as long as we say nothing. ravers don't have to be slackers.
you have as much rights as the next american citizen. voice yur 
opinion or suffer the consequences.

props to joe lesesne / 187 for voicing it on the internet, the Jive
Turkeys for monitoring the airwaves, and some small cleveland based
rave zine for putting it to press.

here's how it looked in said magazine:

====================================================================
AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE CONCERNING THE AFTERMATH OF TUNNELVISION

 Da Jive Turkeyz and interested allies have been monitoring the airwaves and 
found out that such a LEGENDARY party as Tunnel Vision has quickly 
 become the media's latest whipping boy. (Not all the media, just KDKA-2's 
biased coverage.)  It seems several residents of the Elliot section of 
Pittsburgh, the area where Tunnel Vision was held have begun a campaign to "bug 
the hell" out the city to take *SOME* action against the promoter's:UnderGround 
Productions, Inc.

 Now we are pretty much in a do or die situation or perhaps I should say, talk 
or die. You see, the City of Pittsburgh granted the permits for the event to UDG
in keeping with the mayor's support of raves here. Most of the people here had 
no problem with the event, however a few of these are citizens of a depressed 
area representatives and ardent defenders of the "status quo". Consequently, 
they are well angry at such an enlightened  city administration. They are at 
this moment inundating the mayors office  with complaints.

 WHAT CAN YOU DO?  Well I am basically asking for you to do the same thing and 
voice your support for the mayor's office granting of the conditional usage 
permit for the tunnel. If you EVER atteneded a UDG party you KNOW these are 
promoters with good hearts who throw excellent parties ie: Freee and 
Transcendence I & II, . If you have EVER attended a UDG event I think you are 
obligated to call the mayor's office. Even if you never attended a UDG party or 
a Pittsburgh rave in general but simply have an interest in the health of our 
scene here and support the mayor's open mindedness in such  a close minded city 
then you SHOULD CALL.

 WHERE DO I CALL? Call 412.255.2626. That is the mayor's office and the place to
direct  your support. Beware that the line may be busy so keep trying. 
 What should I say: Basically that you support the granting of permits for  the 
film shoot/party and that you think it was a good thing for the city  to do to 
promote itself.

Thanks for your help in this. I really appreciate it. Every phone call counts 
and I urge you and your friends to consider what an excellent scene we have 
here. Lets not lose it to media-enhanced paranoia. Again  thank you for your 
help in this.

 joe
187
pb-cle-raves
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jan  6 14:56:39 1996
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Hey guys...

 Okay, I'm ready for spring now.... Is anyone else feelng that way?? We have 10.5 inches of snow already and are going to get another 6 tonite.. Someone come to Cincy and rescure me before I go insane of cabin fever!

*hugs-n-snowy-smooches*

-Becky =/



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On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Rebecca Thomas wrote:

> Hey guys...
> 
>  Okay, I'm ready for spring now.... Is anyone else feelng that way?? We have 10.5 inches of snow already and are going to get another 6 tonite.. Someone come to Cincy and rescure me before I go insane of cabin fever!
> 
> *hugs-n-snowy-smooches*
> 
> -Becky =/
> 
	Actually, I just saw the weather report, and you're supposed to 
get another 1-2 FEET by Monday.  uhh-huh snow is cool!

ciao,
Steve

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> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:33:01 -0500 (EST)
> From: sly-cutie <rcolongo@goucher.edu>
> Subject: the ECLIPSE is coming... (fwd)
> 
> In case anyone is interested in this one.  As I have said many times 
> before, if you haven't gone to an Ultrworld party before, then you don't 
> realize what u are missing.  Possibly the best production company on the 
> East coast.  The vibe is high and the well-worth the trip.
> 
> 			         ---
>                               -	spikE -
> 		               -------
> 	            http://rwd.goucher.edu/~rcolongo
>                    -----------------------------------    
>                                   
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:06:28 -0500
> From: e boy <u8x@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
> To: Multiple recipients of list DCRAVES <DCRAVES@AMERICAN.EDU>
> Subject: the ECLIPSE is coming...
> 
> most of you at this point know about the next ultraworld gathering called
> ECLIPSE scheduled for april 27.  we are currently booking the dj's and
> live acts.  i'll release the entire list when it's confirmed, which
> should be by next week.
> 
> right now though, we are looking for people to do bus trips from every
> area of the country.  two netters, count zero from pittsburgh and jeremy
> from allentown did bus trips to vibration, and they are working on the
> busses from their area for ECLIPSE, so those areas are covered, but we
> want busses from everywhere else.
> 
> if you would like to try to organize a bus from your area to this event,
> please e me personally and i'll tell you the plan.  or if you know of
> anyone who would like to do it, please get them in touch with me.
> 
> thank you
> lonnie
> 

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*gasp*!

The last of the files for thousandWords magazine went online moments ago.
Apologies if you've been visiting and have been faced with a bunch of 
"file not found"s. Everything is up and running as far as I can see. 
Please e-mail me if you run into problems or have constructive critisizms.

This issue:

Interviews with - WESTBAM
                  ELECTRIC SKYCHURCH
                  DJ HYPERACTIVE
                  SKYLAB

Columns -         KEVIN MARTIN'S "ATMOSPHERIC AUDIO CHAIR"
                  MIX TAPE REVIEWS
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                  WEB ONLY EXCLUSIVE ARTICLES


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haythanks!

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whew! that's a mouthful!  hello mw family.

well, i just got home after leaving a party that was 
raided by 12 friendly St. Paul police officers. Why are
we so bad? Do we cause riots? Do we shoot ppl.?

not the last time i checked!! so why do cops harass us
like they do? this party was in a totally legal space,
the owner of the fucking space was even there having fun!!
(i think it was the owner, or manager, whatever)
so the cops come, and i didnt even hear the reason we
all had to go home. they just yelled at everyone to leave.
does anyone know why it got broken up.
i'm talking about dedicated in the twin cities if you don't know
yet.
ok, here's another issue id like to bring up: lots of ppl were
pissed that they spent $10 and didnt get to party all night,
i believe that once i hand over my hard earned cash, its left to
me to have fun. if it gets busted, oh well, there's always next time.
i assume not everyone else feels this way. so what opines prevail
on this list as far as refunds are concerned?

ahhh, stream of concsiousness rulz folks!


                    love you all,

                    Clinton
mahdi (or anglerec) on vrave......see you there!

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> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:17:42 -0500
> From: syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
> Subject: [ecto@CITENET.NET:      Re: nu: HIPPIES]
> Reply-To: syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
> 
>     ================= Begin forwarded message =================
> 
>     From: ecto@CITENET.NET (ecto)
>     To: NE-RAVES@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Multiple recipients of list NE-RAVES)
>     Subject:      Re: nu: HIPPIES
>     Date: Tue, 19 Dec
> 
>     
>     At 10:00 AM 12/19/95, Jim Coyle wrote:
>     >On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:
>     >
>     >> ugh what a dreadfully depressing statement. i hope not all ravers
>     >> believe that peace & unity can't be carried beyond our scene.
>     >> iow i don't buy into this "there's nothing we can do to change
>     >> things, so fuckit" attitude.
>     >
>     >As I said... ravers seem to be less concerned about whats going on in the
>     >world and more concerned about having a good time.  Now, i dunno about
>     >you, but from personal experience in the rave scene, this is as true as
>     >can be.  Show me ravers protesting for peace, or doing something outside
>     >of the scene cause i haven't seen it happen.  From what i've gathered,
>     >the rave scene doesn't go much further then the raves... and many ravers
>     >want it that way.
>             I agree with both Stevie and with you Jim. I think that there *are*
>     "traditionally" politically active ravers. I've been to a bunch of marches,
>     picketings, etc etc, and i know of a lot of anarchist/feminist/pagan/gay
>     rights/animal rights whatever protesters who are also ravers. Not a LOT but
>     they are there. I'm sure there are also 'right wing' ravers. That's the
>     beauty of the scene. When you say, jim, that there aren't a lot of
>     political ravers, you're right. In the traditional western sense of
>     politics. But when Stevie T says that we care about things beyond our scene
>     and are striving to make the world a better place he's right too, it's just
>     that (IMHO) we're doign it in a different, subtle and personal way in our
>     day to day lives and interactions.
>             We're not trying to protest and change something 'out there'
>     (societal structures, injustices in the world, etc etc) but rather,
>     examining ourselves and purging the negativity and ignorance *within us*
>     due to our social conditioning. I think it was W.S. Burroughs who talked
>     about the 'cop in your head' and about how _that_ is what you have to
>     change.
>             Basically, societal structures (just or unjust) have human
>     behaviour at their base, so when we change ourselves for those 8+ hours,
>     and maybe if we're good people who just do our best to be positive in every
>     day life, the people that we'll touch in our passage will be changed in a
>     similar way and we'll spread 'love' like a virus :) And, maybe, in the end,
>     we WILL be changing the world, it's just at such a small scale and it's so
>     subtle that it doesn't look like any big deal.
>             I dunno! maybe! :)
>     
>     ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\======================
>                     ectographics: print design : HTML programming
>                   >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >>
>     ========================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/======================
>     
>     
> 
> --
> ________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
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> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jan  7 11:01:26 1996
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in continuation of what clinton said.....

there was deffinitely a little bad vibe going around after this event,
most of it was
towards johnnylaw,  but  there was quite a bit of bonding and hallows adn
laughter.  the reason they broke this party up (from what i
understand) is because some fucks were smokin pot after the music had to be
stopped once and we all had been told to stop the smokin or we'll all be out
of luck.  well fuck.  the cops broke it up after two hours of dancing
because of a few pot smokers.  now thats hate.  this space was legal 100%
and everything was cool,  but some fukkin pig had to come and break our
beat.  there was no violence, no disturbance of the peace,  no
complaints... just some clueless cat that was doing what is done at any
given club on any given night...  yet they dont shut down the clubs because
of pot smokers (or even violence bad musac and moshpits)*_*

afterwords quite a few of us vagabonds,  including some who didnt even make
it into the party,  went to a local club and danced as best we could to the
fukkin sick musac they had playing and around three went home.

the fact that the party got busted, in my opinion,   was sort of the
promoters fault for havin the party in a
mall of such public display,  the site did not allow smoking ciggarettes,
and the cops saw everyone smoking as another HUGE FUKING PROBLEM,  and made
everyone put out their cigs.....,  on the other hand the pigs were just
being
assholes and so out of control.  they didnt have to shut down the party
just because they found a little drugs there,  you can find a little drugs
at a highschool dance...  and cops dont shut those down.

my opinion on the refund for a  busted rave thing is that if the promoter
is in any way atfault in his or her neglagance then the thing to do is not
to
refund anyones money,  this is the underground, there are djs and light
crews that need to get payed... tonight we learned that if
we try to pull into the real world of living malls,  that society will shove
us back into the cracks.  but as a hurting dancer that lost their paycheck
to a party that only was going for  a few hours i believe a comp. ticket to
the promoters next event is reasonable.  that way the promoter gets to keep
all the cash to pay all the expences,  therefore the djs and lighing get
payed,  and promoters are in check by making sure ther party isnt going to
get busted in the first few hours of production and the consumer is happy
with the option of going to another event.  god,  maybe this system of
checks and balances cant be put into reality, but i think its pretty cool
in writing.

i hope you all understand where i am coming from,  and i truly do believe
that it was some pigs prejudous that got me at my computer at 530 inthe
morning listening to only for the headstrong as loud as nieghbors will alow
me to listen.  anyways peace to all you who were there..  peace to the
promoters (it was the right idea,  wrong time)  and peace to all you out
there in webland.

                -rocketboy
                        \\\


        ps.  wun big phat thanx to clinton who took two sorry lost souls
into his life and momentarily reprogramed their reality.



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there is a problem i believe with ravers standing up for there rights,  and
mnpls last night was a good example.  i had done nothing wrong,  i was a a
legal party,  minding my own biusness,  when a few of st pauls finest walk
in and kick me out of where i was legaly allowed to be.  if i had thought
of it then... i probably would have layed right down on the fucking dance
floor until they gave me a good reason why i should leave or they dragged
me out.   they had no right to kick me out of where i was legaly allowed to
be.  to bad i got that vile feeling of "oh shit, im just a raver thats
busted again"....  and forgot my rights as a voting citizen of the US.

                                                rocketboy



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I just got back from the Perplexer in Illinois and I just wanted to say I had
an awesome time, the music was great, the vibes and people were all right,
and it never got busted!!.. Another good one for Chicagoland... But the thing
I missed was finding most of my friends there!  Does anybody know or is there
a Online meeting at these Raves for us Internet Ravers? Just to make new
friends and expand this alittle more than a few words over Email?..  PEACE
   
P.S. Does anybody have any info on INFERNO?

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coming to madison.wi on friday jan.26th...
     fresh groove predicts a

                    HEATWAVE

with dj's:
   (nick nice)))))))

   (chad mindrive)))))))

   (andi p)))))))


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In a message dated 96-01-07 04:52:57 EST, you write:

>ok, here's another issue id like to bring up: lots of ppl were
>pissed that they spent $10 and didnt get to party all night,
>i believe that once i hand over my hard earned cash, its left to
>me to have fun. if it gets busted, oh well, there's always next time.
>i assume not everyone else feels this way. so what opines prevail
>on this list as far as refunds are concerned?

personally, i think it's only $10, so what.  i know the chances of a bust.  i
pay anyway.  i'm at least partially responsible.  granted, a promoter should
do everything humanly possible to avoid having a party get busted, but beyond
that, what are ya gonna do?  if i don't wanna spend $10, i'll quit goin to
parties.  just my opinion.  read it, believe it, and conform to it, or you're
not cool!

peace,
darrik



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dearest friends and other people i don't know,

i'm gonna be in new york this weekend and was wonderin what there was to do
(parties and whatnot).  anybody hook me up with some info (or even phone #'s
personal or otherwise so i'm not lost in new york on my birthday)?

peace,
darrik

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address,  anyone... help>?



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From: eluna <eluna@coil.com>
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Subject: FREE events this wknd (columbus)
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two FREE house parties: on fri and sunday...
++
e d

               fri 12 jan
         columbus ohio
            a FREE house party:

          \/\/\ pErSuaSiVe perCuSsiOn vol 3 /\/\/

featuring 
          mastur/beat: jungle
           titonton: jungle
          mighty: jungle
           powerhouse: electro/old skool hip-hop
          monochrome: jungle
           lunar: trip-hop
  
     FREE
   12mid-6am
     location tba, call the table of ele ments: 614 470 0929 the day of

        for out-of-town direcs email <eluna@coil.com>

(NOTE: mad chiller from ft wayne indiana, who was slated to play with us, 
will no longer be spinning due to a conflict, but we will bring him to 
spin at vol 4 in march...)


PLUS:

+ titonton (under the auspices of ele mental) + 
                                                presents


            /|
           /.|   z    u    R    e   .    .    .    . 
          /..|
           

         another free house party
         sun jan 14th
         columbus ohio
         12mid-?   
      
                                featuring

                        PLACEBO
                           RAGE
                       TITONTON
      from detroit-CLAUDE YOUNG
 live performance by POWERHOUSE
         
        did we mention that it's FREE?              
        location: grant/gay apt building

        info: table of honkeys 614 470 0929
        out-of-town direcs email <eluna@coil.com>

**

no more complaints about there not being enough jungle, not enough free 
events, not enough phat shit.

and if you're coming only to get drugs, don't bother coming.
but if you like it small and thick i'll see u dere.

(gee, i hope the roads clear up...)
++
e d


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        Well, it has been awhile since I really sat down at my terminal and
wrote what was really on my mind, but these past 2 weeks of "why do cops
bust us" and "why do cops harass us" messages have sparked me to write.

        It seems as though some of you are just so fucken blind to the fact
why cops in general hate us.  Though we bitch and moan and point out all the
little things cops to do just to annoy us we have to remember that they have
a job, and for the most part the laws that they enforce and "harass" us with
save our asses in everyday life.  It just seems that these so called
"harassing fire codes" and shit only bother us when we have raves in
warehouses with wooden floors, sawdust, and other flamable material all over
it that could ignite with just one lit cigarrette thrown on it.  Otherwise
we enjoy and appreciate being able to shop in buildings that have
sprinklers, lit exits, and other fire prevention methods installed in them
because the police do enforce these laws.  Does anyone get this point I am
making?

        We sit here and say how raves are a great thing for kids because
they are non-alcoholic parties that give kids something to do.  For the most
part this is true, but are we forgetting to acknowlege the fact that most of
the kids that are not drinking at these parties probably are consuming MDMA,
Crystal Methamphetimine, and or any other fucking strange concoxtion that is
deemed illegal by our legal system.  Sure you may not believe in it (our
legal system), but it is there and deal with the fucken reality that it is
there and it isn't going to change.  We are destroying ourselves.  I am not
saying that drugs are bad, I am just saying that for the public eye, which
is what will make or break us pathetically enough in our society, is the
deciding factor in saying wheather raves should be allowed or not.  If the
majority of the populace of adults finds and believes that raves are turning
their kids onto drugs and causing them to fall into illegal activities then
of course they will want the police to destroy a scene that they believe is
destroying their kids.

        Honestly, how can we expect cops and the public to take us seriously
when we are so pathetic.  The growing majority of ravers today are
highschool dropouts,  most leave their homes to live in "Rave Caves", most
consume mass ammounts of drugs.  So basically you are asking the public to
respect the rights of uneducated, underaged, immature, drug users.

        A good example on how "image is everything" is when you throw a
party and you have cops there to watch things over.  As a promotor this is
necessary for fullfilling most of the cities ordinences dealing with
security and such.  But when a cop is at a party, and this average joe donut
eating cop who has been told by the promoter that raves are a good
alternative for teens that don't want to go to the highschool beer party
gets to the party to only to see 20 kids on the floor rubbing themselves in
a drug induced bliss.  What kind of message does this infer.  And why do we
kid ourselves saying that drugs aren't the problem.  For fucken sakes we got
kids snorting tranqulizers, speed, and coke.  Who the fuck are we trying to
kid!  I will tell you one thing, the cops nor the public is buying it!

        Image is our problem.  Life isn't peace, love, and exstacy.  And
until we really have the numbers to press our counter-culture, we will never
have the upperhand in the battle.  Do something for your scene, think in a
realistic manner, and remember we are living in a really world where there
is no "Funshine" shit.

Well if there is, it isn't taken seriously, and if you aren't taken
seriously, yer shit.

JohnSin
Massive Magazine, Jungle 'Massive'
Triplebock Records.


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan  8 04:14:32 1996
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From: Ed Luna <lunar@hyperreal.com>
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ok, some stuff is finally up in the regional guide...so i'd finally like 
to "officially" announce the upgrade of the pages, now viewable without 
too much embarrassment on my part.  any feedback/criticism is welcome.

i could use a lot more regional info, though...it's pretty slim.  so if
anyone can help, again dont hesitate to offer!  all except
detroit...that's being covered.  

all of you who have promised me info and havent given it, well where are
ya?  most of what i've been given is up (except a couple...sorry stevie, 
it'll be up soon!) and it looks pretty pathetic.  come on!  doesnt anyone 
have anything good to relay about their scenes?

*taps foot*
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e d

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On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, John Drefahl wrote:

> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 04:07:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Drefahl <johnsin@cyborganic.com>
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
> Subject: Image Is Everything - State of Tings'0
> 
>         Well, it has been awhile since I really sat down at my terminal and
> wrote what was really on my mind, but these past 2 weeks of "why do cops
> bust us" and "why do cops harass us" messages have sparked me to write.
> 
>         It seems as though some of you are just so fucken blind to the fact
> why cops in general hate us.  Though we bitch and moan and point out all the
> little things cops to do just to annoy us we have to remember that they have
> a job, and for the most part the laws that they enforce and "harass" us with
> save our asses in everyday life.  It just seems that these so called
> "harassing fire codes" and shit only bother us when we have raves in
> warehouses with wooden floors, sawdust, and other flamable material all over
> it that could ignite with just one lit cigarrette thrown on it.  Otherwise
> we enjoy and appreciate being able to shop in buildings that have
> sprinklers, lit exits, and other fire prevention methods installed in them
> because the police do enforce these laws.  Does anyone get this point I am
> making?
> 
>         We sit here and say how raves are a great thing for kids because
> they are non-alcoholic parties that give kids something to do.  For the most
> part this is true, but are we forgetting to acknowlege the fact that most of
> the kids that are not drinking at these parties probably are consuming MDMA,
> Crystal Methamphetimine, and or any other fucking strange concoxtion that is
> deemed illegal by our legal system.  Sure you may not believe in it (our
> legal system), but it is there and deal with the fucken reality that it is
> there and it isn't going to change.  We are destroying ourselves.  I am not
> saying that drugs are bad, I am just saying that for the public eye, which
> is what will make or break us pathetically enough in our society, is the
> deciding factor in saying wheather raves should be allowed or not.  If the
> majority of the populace of adults finds and believes that raves are turning
> their kids onto drugs and causing them to fall into illegal activities then
> of course they will want the police to destroy a scene that they believe is
> destroying their kids.
> 
>         Honestly, how can we expect cops and the public to take us seriously
> when we are so pathetic.  The growing majority of ravers today are
> highschool dropouts,  most leave their homes to live in "Rave Caves", most
> consume mass ammounts of drugs.  So basically you are asking the public to
> respect the rights of uneducated, underaged, immature, drug users.
> 
>         A good example on how "image is everything" is when you throw a
> party and you have cops there to watch things over.  As a promotor this is
> necessary for fullfilling most of the cities ordinences dealing with
> security and such.  But when a cop is at a party, and this average joe donut
> eating cop who has been told by the promoter that raves are a good
> alternative for teens that don't want to go to the highschool beer party
> gets to the party to only to see 20 kids on the floor rubbing themselves in
> a drug induced bliss.  What kind of message does this infer.  And why do we
> kid ourselves saying that drugs aren't the problem.  For fucken sakes we got
> kids snorting tranqulizers, speed, and coke.  Who the fuck are we trying to
> kid!  I will tell you one thing, the cops nor the public is buying it!
> 
>         Image is our problem.  Life isn't peace, love, and exstacy.  And
> until we really have the numbers to press our counter-culture, we will never
> have the upperhand in the battle.  Do something for your scene, think in a
> realistic manner, and remember we are living in a really world where there
> is no "Funshine" shit.
> 
> Well if there is, it isn't taken seriously, and if you aren't taken
> seriously, yer shit.
> 
> JohnSin
> Massive Magazine, Jungle 'Massive'
> Triplebock Records.
> 
> 
it may be true that the legal system was set up to protect us but in some 
cases it goes too far...ex.  the bass is too loud  
shit like that does not extremely hurt anyone except those that like to 
stand face to face with the speakers

when i hear of a friend who has dropped out of high school i do my best 
to inform them that they will make nothing of themselves after they get 
tired of "raving" and that they must drop back in....it is never too late 
to drop back in

i have done my fair share of consuming drugs but does that mean you can 
not get an education...no !!....   education MUST come first and foremost

someone very interesting (Minister Ishmaheal Muhammead)  said this too me 
when I was working last month (as a guard for him)  "Ignorance will cause 
the world's downfall"

mike davis
discordia

davisi@odo.msoe.edu


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peace, love, and exstacy.

If promoters don't care enough to find a safe, clean, legal venue, what makes
you think they care about the cops and any repercussions from them. I stopped
going to many of these bullshit parties for those reasons. 

If a kid at a party slips and cracks his/her head open becuase of some dark,
dank stairway or hallway. who will be to blame. If by some chance a fire
breaks out in a building where the exits aren't clearly marked, and someone
gets hurt or god forbid dies, who is to blame.

Well guess what! that peace, love, and ecstacy shit goes right out the
window. If the kid is underage his parents will sue, if he's of-age his
family will still sue on his behalf, or if he's not in a coma, he'll hire an
attourney.  then guess who gets sued?
The promoter, the person responsible for the building, the building's owner,
The city who grants occupancy, safety & building permits. and probably the
cops & fire marshalls who where supposed to be enforcing these permits.

These are the kinds of law suits lawyers dream of, usually ending
multi-million dollar settlements. this is why the cops come down on illeagal
parties so hard.
The first thing out of a parents' mouth is "Where were the police while all
this was going on?"

*This comes pretty close to first hand: my wife worked at a drugstore where
some kids said they purchased wine coolers and beer, underage and drinking in
the car, one kid is standing up hanging out the sunroof, the driver (actual
testimony) was swerving in and out between the yellow lines on a two lane
road, he lost control and flips the car over killing himself. the kid hanging
out gets thrown free of the car but hurt badly.
His parents, sued the dead drivers family because they owned the car, the
county because they said there was a bump in the road. and the store where
they said they allegedly bought the booze. they were going to try and sue the
clerk also. Everyone settled out of court rather than try to defend
themselves. 
Some friend put his dead friend's parents in the poor house, because of their
own stupidity.

This is the reason for most of the paranoia surrounding bad parties. people
are lawsuit crazy.

don't put yourself in these kinds of situations.

thats all.
GA/technohead

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Hiya!

> This is the reason for most of the paranoia surrounding bad parties. people
> are lawsuit crazy.


That's why I'm glad we have a different, good and reasonable law 
here, where those kind of lawsuits wouldn't bring a penny to the guy 
who sues.....but otherwise I fully second your opinion....
I believe that me as an outsider (to the US that is, even so I used 
to live there for a little while) can judge that very well, and it is 
absolutely crazy, what people can get money for.
Just try not to go to those events, and they'll soon stop having 
illegal parties, and you won't get busted after paying a lot of money 
again.

OPUL

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> If promoters don't care enough to find a safe, clean, legal venue,
> what makes you think they care about the cops and any repercussions
> from them. I stopped going to many of these bullshit parties for
> those reasons. 

I think they do care, but it's a matter of setting up wherever one 
can setup.  Legal venues are hard to find, and typically really suck. 
Most parties in legal venues (and I mean like Knights of Columbus 
halls, arenas, etc.) typically make the party feel like a bad high 
school dance.  I really hate being watched and "controlled" by cops 
as they walk around and make sure nothing gets out of hand.  If I 
wanted to be babysat, I'd elect a cute girl to do so instead of 
paying money to have it done by some fat fucker with a gun.

> If a kid at a party slips and cracks his/her head open becuase of
> some dark, dank stairway or hallway. who will be to blame. If by

Well legally it falls on however owns the building or whoever is 
holding the liability insurance on a place.  But, you could argue 
morally that it's really the fault of the person that slipped for 
choosing to be there in the first place.  I hate safety, it detracts 
from certain elements that make parties exciting.  Sure busted 
parties are a drag, but I really miss going to a party and coming 
away dirty as fuck and a few years shaved off my life due to the 
faulty asbestos insulation.  I'm not being sarcastic either.  There's 
something very special about really dark parties in really wrong 
places like industrial parks and warehouses that have been abandoned 
and are falling apart.  People who prefer sanitation over atmosphere 
need to get their heads checked, IMHO.

> Well guess what! that peace, love, and ecstacy shit goes right out
> the window. If the kid is underage his parents will sue, if he's
> of-age his family will still sue on his behalf, or if he's not in a
> coma, he'll hire an attourney.  then guess who gets sued? The
> promoter, the person responsible for the building, the building's
> owner, The city who grants occupancy, safety & building permits. and
> probably the cops & fire marshalls who where supposed to be
> enforcing these permits.

No no no no - that's the purpose of liability insurance.  The 
insurance company gets sued because that's what they are paid to do.  
If someone has liability insurance, and you need it for owning a 
building, the warehouse should be up to fire code.  Always have an 
inspector inspect a suspicious building before you throw a party in 
it, you don't need to tell them what you are doing there, all you 
need to tell them is that you want a certificate for being up to 
code.  And always, if you can, go one past the fire code by adding in 
extra shit like fire extinguishers, etc.  

> These are the kinds of law suits lawyers dream of, usually ending
> multi-million dollar settlements. this is why the cops come down on
> illeagal parties so hard. The first thing out of a parents' mouth is
> "Where were the police while all this was going on?"

No no no no no - not with LIABILITY INSURANCE :)  It's 300 bucks for 
taking care of potential headaches.  Also, it's easier to secure a 
site if you can tell the people who own the building that you have 
your own special event/liability insurance.

> free of the car but hurt badly. His parents, sued the dead drivers
> family because they owned the car, the county because they said
> there was a bump in the road. and the store where they said they
> allegedly bought the booze. they were going to try and sue the clerk
> also. Everyone settled out of court rather than try to defend
> themselves. Some friend put his dead friend's parents in the poor
> house, because of their own stupidity.

I don't get how this applies to throwing parties or cops coming down 
on parties?  In most cities, cops come down on parties due to noise 
complaints, not having the right permits, and people breaking actual 
laws.  Like last saturday in minnepolis.  That got shut down cuz some 
kids were smoking pot - which is against the law.  The cops had every 
right to shut the fucker down.  That's their job.

In minneapolis it's illegal to dance from 3am to 7am and there are no 
permits around this.  However, if you hire police as security (400 
bucks for one cop for the night) you can rest assured that your party 
isn't going to get busted unless some major shit goes down.  At which 
point you have the insurance to cover your ass.

> This is the reason for most of the paranoia surrounding bad parties.
> people are lawsuit crazy.

The reason is that parties really don't deserve a good name 
considering what actually happens there, imho.  People laugh when 
people say "Raves?  Aren't those those all night parties were kids 
get high and listen to that crazy techno shit?"  But how far off is 
that?  It's all a matter of position tho.  Because I'm 
pro-decriminalization of drugs I don't know how bad a thing that is, 
but most of society isn't with me on that.

earache
Professor Earache
=================>
beatPHREAKsociety

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At 1:50 AM 1/7/96, Charles Mead wrote:

>ok, here's another issue id like to bring up: lots of ppl were
>pissed that they spent $10 and didnt get to party all night,
>i believe that once i hand over my hard earned cash, its left to
>me to have fun. if it gets busted, oh well, there's always next time.
>i assume not everyone else feels this way. so what opines prevail
>on this list as far as refunds are concerned?

I agree with one caveat -- if the promoter continues to sell tickets
to a party that he/she knows has-been or will-be busted, then,
in all good conscience, a refund is owed.  Let me give you an
example:

About 2 years ago, some chums and I went to Cinci for a party
called Toys.  We went to the map point and bought tickets, not
knowing that the outdoor site (completely non-permitted, etc., it
turns out) had already been busted.  When we got there, the cops were
turning people away, and even searching cars and stuff.  The thing
was that they continued to sell tickets at the map point even after
the party had been busted!  The people at the map point were in
contact with the promoters on site so there was no excuse.

So we went back to the map point and stood in front of the guy
(still!) selling tickets, looking all mean and Motor City [:)]
until we got our money back.  We got back home just in
time to talk to one of the DJs at a party that had just been
busted up in southwest Detroit. :)  Interesting night.

--

dave walker, detroit art services                             _
marmoset@mich.com                                   born freeke

<A HREF="http://www.mich.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>



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> 
> From: John Drefahl <johnsin@cyborganic.com>
> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 04:07:41 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Image Is Everything - State of Tings'0
> 
>         Well, it has been awhile since I really sat down at my terminal and
> wrote what was really on my mind, but these past 2 weeks of "why do cops
> bust us" and "why do cops harass us" messages have sparked me to write.
> 
>         It seems as though some of you are just so fucken blind to the fact
> why cops in general hate us.  Though we bitch and moan and point out all the
> little things cops to do just to annoy us we have to remember that they have
> a job, and for the most part the laws that they enforce and "harass" us with
> save our asses in everyday life.  It just seems that these so called

well, yes and no.  they do have a job.  that is true, they are employed 
and are givewn certain guidelines to follow by their superiors.  the nazi 
SS had a job to do to.  so does the CIA.  so do the idiotic motherfuckers 
skullfucking the shit out of the former yugoslavia.  they all have jobs.

so?  i'm so sick of cops who might otherwise allow themselves to somehow 
see reason and/or reality in dealing with people throwing up the old 
tired excuse of "hey, i'm just doing my job".  yeah, and so was hermann 
goering you lamebrain.  the viewpoint of "well, somebody's paying me to 
do this so it must be ok" is so tired and so wrong and so obsolete...

as for "anti-rave" laws saving our ass in everyday life...  i for one am 
damn glad we have lighted exit signs - they've saved my ass more than 
once.  fiure codes are good things too.  but if we didn't have fire 
codes, they'd find some other bullshit ordinance to "enforce".  the fact 
remains that even though it's all unspoken by anybody, the bottom line is 
that cops just hate ravers because they regard us as a bunch of kids up 
to no good.  and from their point of view we rae just that - i'm not gona 
hold us up to be the shining example of moral virtuosity, i don't think 
that's true and i don't think that's what the whole "scene" is about.  
when they bust us i think, "well, score one for their side" becuase all 
it is is a game, really.  can we outwit authority without getting 
caught.  if we can, more power to us, if not, oh well.  sure, busts suck 
and all, but if you don't take a possible buct into consideration when 
you walk into a party you're a damn fool.  raves get busted in the USA.  
we can try all we want to make things better and sometimes we even do, 
but in general we lack a few key things that would make us an effective 
group for social action.  anyway, like i was saying, cops hate us cuz 
lots of us do drugs shamelessly, have promiscuous sex shamelessly, and in 
general do stupid things shamelessly.  the fact that all kids do these 
thigns at some point and it's a normal part of growing up is beside the 
point to them.  they just don't want to see these things happen.  it 
doesn't mean they'll always win, and it doesn't mean we'll always win.  
like i said, it's a game.

> "harassing fire codes" and shit only bother us when we have raves in
> warehouses with wooden floors, sawdust, and other flamable material all over
> it that could ignite with just one lit cigarrette thrown on it.  Otherwise
> we enjoy and appreciate being able to shop in buildings that have
> sprinklers, lit exits, and other fire prevention methods installed in them
> because the police do enforce these laws.  Does anyone get this point I am
> making?

yup.

>         We sit here and say how raves are a great thing for kids because
> they are non-alcoholic parties that give kids something to do.  For the most
> part this is true, but are we forgetting to acknowlege the fact that most of
> the kids that are not drinking at these parties probably are consuming MDMA,
> Crystal Methamphetimine, and or any other fucking strange concoxtion that is
> deemed illegal by our legal system.  Sure you may not believe in it (our
> legal system), but it is there and deal with the fucken reality that it is
> there and it isn't going to change.  We are destroying ourselves.  I am not
> saying that drugs are bad, I am just saying that for the public eye, which
> is what will make or break us pathetically enough in our society, is the
> deciding factor in saying wheather raves should be allowed or not.  If the
> majority of the populace of adults finds and believes that raves are turning
> their kids onto drugs and causing them to fall into illegal activities then
> of course they will want the police to destroy a scene that they believe is
> destroying their kids.

and drugs are a big issue (duh!) - bigger than i ever thought when i was 
younger.  having now seen up close and personal the debilitating effects 
of chemicals that are just *stupidly* strong, stronger than anybody 
*needs*, i can say that i would concur with those who say drugs are 
destroying the "scene".  they do destroy, but there are also those they 
do not destroy, and there are (blesseedly) those for whom they are not 
even an issue.

and let's face it - if you were your parents / cops / government / etc, 
wouldn't itmake sense to be concerned?  in the words of burroughs, 
WOULDN'T YOU?  of course you would.  (but that opens up 
control/domination issues, and i don't even want to open up that can of 
worms here, but it does tie in...)

>         Honestly, how can we expect cops and the public to take us seriously
> when we are so pathetic.  The growing majority of ravers today are
> highschool dropouts,  most leave their homes to live in "Rave Caves", most

O SHIT!  let's hear iot for a good-ol-fashioned high school education!  
dropouts are going nowhere fast and they'd better recognize it before 
it's too late...  even losers like me who can't finish college are 
destined for a 2-dimensional life unless we become rock stars or 
something (which i am, by the way... SHAFT played our first show two days 
ago and we fucking rock, but anyways...)

> consume mass ammounts of drugs.  So basically you are asking the public to
> respect the rights of uneducated, underaged, immature, drug users.

no shit!  IGNORANCE IS THE ENEMY!!!

>         A good example on how "image is everything" is when you throw a
> party and you have cops there to watch things over.  As a promotor this is
> necessary for fullfilling most of the cities ordinences dealing with
> security and such.  But when a cop is at a party, and this average joe donut
> eating cop who has been told by the promoter that raves are a good
> alternative for teens that don't want to go to the highschool beer party
> gets to the party to only to see 20 kids on the floor rubbing themselves in
> a drug induced bliss.  What kind of message does this infer.  And why do we
> kid ourselves saying that drugs aren't the problem.  For fucken sakes we got
> kids snorting tranqulizers, speed, and coke.  Who the fuck are we trying to
> kid!  I will tell you one thing, the cops nor the public is buying it!

nd again, were you them, neither would you.

>         Image is our problem.  Life isn't peace, love, and exstacy.  And

r rather, those who would have us beive that it is need to recognize that 
life is life (!) and there's aspects of "peace love and mdma) as well as 
there's aspects of bullshit.

> until we really have the numbers to press our counter-culture, we will never
> have the upperhand in the battle.  Do something for your scene, think in a
> realistic manner, and remember we are living in a really world where there
> is no "Funshine" shit.

and remember, that there's still room for plenty o fun if you DO think 
realistically.

but balance is the key.

-b. echthros
  "when we all have the power
   and we all give the best
   every minute of the hour
   don't think about the rest
   when everyone gives everything
   and every song everyone will sing"
	-from "life is life" by Laibach

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yeah, yeah, yeah, MOST cops are dicks who have nothing better to do 
than to bust people whom they deem are 'lower' on their trunciated 
evolutionary family tree.  some cops, are not.  many are liberal 
people, like you or me, who are just doing a job.  they don't have 
superhuman powers.  they have ulcers and doughnut stains (sorry to be 
a little stereotypical).  some don't even like their jobs.  but they 
have orders to "serve and protect", which, most of the time, they ARE 
doing.  they serve us: i asked a cop for the time once and he gave it 
to me. (they've served me many more times but i don't wanna list them 
all).  they protect us: from people bringing weapons and crack and 
alcohol in to raves (also harmless things like water at some venues 
and pot and shit).  i've joked with them.  i was wearing a long 
stocking cap (like 4') and the cop searching me said "where the FUCK 
did you get that hat?" we conversed and that was that.  i'm not 
saying i like to get my crotch grabbed regularly (i do, but that's 
another thing) but occasionaly having a police presence is good.  i 
love it when i get to a rave and there's no cop in sight, it even 
adds to the event when i see people toking and putting things on 
their tounge on the floor.  but cops controll the occasional fuckup 
who's on pcp or decides to bring in a weapon to take out someone who 
talks to their girlfriend.

i think that i rationally explained my viewpoint on this matter.  if 
you don't like it
FUCK OFF!!!!
;)






















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so far they've said...
> >ok, here's another issue id like to bring up: lots of ppl were
> >pissed that they spent $10 and didnt get to party all night,
> >i believe that once i hand over my hard earned cash, its left to
> >me to have fun. if it gets busted, oh well, there's always next time.
> >i assume not everyone else feels this way. so what opines prevail
> >on this list as far as refunds are concerned?
> 
> personally, i think it's only $10, so what.  i know the chances of a bust.  i
> pay anyway.  i'm at least partially responsible.  granted, a promoter should
> do everything humanly possible to avoid having a party get busted, but beyond
> that, what are ya gonna do?  if i don't wanna spend $10, i'll quit goin to
> parties.  just my opinion.  read it, believe it, and conform to it, or you're
> not cool!


and i guess i'm just here to say that i agree.  one of my biggest 
peeves is walking out of a busted party and hearing people complain 
about the ticket price.  sure, i'm let down, but i'm let down by 
someone who actually got off thier ass and got something together and 
got me there....and that's a hell of a lot easier than sutting on 
your ass on the couch watching beavis and butthead and getting up 
about ten o'clock on a saturday night and stopping bu the cash 
machine for a little more of your mommy's money so you can go to a 
party.  yes, i do get bitter about this point, those who throw 
parties i go to work _hard_

oh and another thing....this has been said before but i feel it not 
only warrants being said again, but being said in all caps:  KNOW 
YOUR PROMOTERS.  don't party with people you don't know and don't 
support promoters you don't know about.

</rant>

--star*

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"Professor Earache" <earache@winternet.com> said...
> 
> Well legally it falls on however owns the building or whoever is 
> holding the liability insurance on a place.  But, you could argue 
> morally that it's really the fault of the person that slipped for 
> choosing to be there in the first place.  I hate safety, it detracts 
> from certain elements that make parties exciting.  Sure busted 
> parties are a drag, but I really miss going to a party and coming 
> away dirty as fuck and a few years shaved off my life due to the 
> faulty asbestos insulation.  I'm not being sarcastic either.  There's 
> something very special about really dark parties in really wrong 
> places like industrial parks and warehouses that have been abandoned 
> and are falling apart.  People who prefer sanitation over atmosphere 
> need to get their heads checked, IMHO.

Along these lines, it is up to the promoters to have the smarts to 
incorporate so that any and *ALL* liability falls upon the corp. not 
the individual.  This way, if any suits are filed it is the company that
goes to court, not thhe individual.

> No no no no no - not with LIABILITY INSURANCE :)  It's 300 bucks for 
> taking care of potential headaches.  Also, it's easier to secure a 
> site if you can tell the people who own the building that you have 
> your own special event/liability insurance.

And this is much easier to obtain as aa corporate entity.  Consider
approaching an insurance company as an individual versus as a corp.
entity.  The simple presentation is much better-received.



- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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>>         Honestly, how can we expect cops and the public to take us seriously
>> when we are so pathetic.  The growing majority of ravers today are
>> highschool dropouts,  most leave their homes to live in "Rave Caves", most
>> consume mass ammounts of drugs.  So basically you are asking the public to
>> respect the rights of uneducated, underaged, immature, drug users.
>> 

>when i hear of a friend who has dropped out of high school i do my best 
>to inform them that they will make nothing of themselves after they get 
>tired of "raving" and that they must drop back in....it is never too late 
>to drop back in
>
>i have done my fair share of consuming drugs but does that mean you can 
>not get an education...no !!....   education MUST come first and foremost

>mike davis
>discordia
>
>davisi@odo.msoe.edu
>
>

When I was making the point about the drugs and highschool drop outs.  The
message I was trying to convey was even though it may not be the majority of
the rave scene, it is the most disturbing.  This means that this is the
negetive aspect of our scene that will be used against us and shooved in the
spotlight.

Johnsin
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>-b. echthros
>  "when we all have the power
>   and we all give the best
>   every minute of the hour
>   don't think about the rest
>   when everyone gives everything
>   and every song everyone will sing"
>	-from "life is life" by Laibach
>

All I can say, is laibach makes me hard. laugh..

Nhoj Lhaferd


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	Uh....Trancemission was on the 30th......

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I was suposed to attend last saturday but plans changed I never made it
into Chicago for Perplexer (Delta 9-Search and Destroy-Drop Bass
Records?!?! This GabbaNut is going cry). Anybody out there who went that
wants to spew some feedback?
          :)Rene.
P.S. We apologize for the interuption and now return to our regularly
scheduled thread of GoodCop/BadCop already in progress....





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On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, John Drefahl wrote:

> >
> 
> When I was making the point about the drugs and highschool drop outs.  The
> message I was trying to convey was even though it may not be the majority of
> the rave scene, it is the most disturbing.  This means that this is the
> negetive aspect of our scene that will be used against us and shooved in the
> spotlight.
> 
> Johnsin
> massive mag
> 
> 
i know what you mean and we must educate the ignorant
if we see someone doing something ignorant (wrong if you will) correct 
them on the matter

mike davis
discordia
davisi@odo.msoe.edu

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I have to say that this was one of the first Chi-town parties in a long time
to have that old feeling that has been lost so long ago.  I don't know what
it was, the new and finally progressive forms of music, the people who were
there, I really don't know what but, the energy that the kids where giving
on the dancefloor was cool as shit.

I got there during Search and Destroys set.  From what I saw I was
impressed.  But that music really wasn't for me.  I just don't have an ear
for the gabber/acid.

I will skip all others and go to the highlight of the night...

Drew Young was the shit.  The trance was induced in a big way by this boy
and he is definately the one to see.

Last but not least, there needs to be more EMT-Stacked walls of sound.  This
fucken wall literally hurt.. And I like that.

Johnsin

By far the best party of the year.


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The "Perplexer" party in Chicago this past Saturday was great.

It was held in a Roller Rink south of Chicago... for the amount of people that
showed up, it was the perfect size...

I think the stand-out set goes to Drew Young of Chicago, with his live set of
techno/trance.  He was the only live set there that used a computer...
He went on at 4am and got people off of their asses and made them dance.
Watch out for him in the future!  This kid is going to make it big... 
Anyone else catch his set?  What did you think?

The other set I truly enjoyed was Delta 9's set of gabber/hardcore.  He kicks
ass, too.

I missed most of Efex's set and all of Mindrive's set because I became
nauseous (sp?) and spent the rest of the party out in the parking lot in my
car... :(

Props to "Positive Entity" for throwing a great party at a good price... 

So who else went and what's your review?

Kimm Follett



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I forgot your address!
Kimm


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I saw a lot of things I wanted to respond to in some of these posts but I'll
save 'em and just talk about cops a bit.  People, if you treat cops with
disrespect and curse at them under your breath, you're just giving them more
reason to do the same right back to you.  Cops are people.  If every person
that I cop ever ran into who looked like a raver was very polite and
respectful and all that, cops wouldn't give us nearly as much shit.  If you
think of them as the enemy, that's what they'll feel like.  And that makes
you the enemy to them.  If you think of them as people, like the mother or
father of one of your friends, or your neighbor down the street, and show
them some respect, they might go a little easy on you.  If from a distance
they see you pull out a bowl, instead of thinking how much they wanna bust
your ass, they might laugh and think about those times they had doing the
same thing when they were young.

I'm not saying there aren't cops out there that are complete assholes.  I've
ran into a few of those.  But you're not going to get anywhere by saying how
much of an asshole they are.  If they're really bad, try to get their badge
number.  Call or write in a complaint.  When you do, try to sound like a
civilized voter with serious concern, not some raver kid that says "like"
every 5 words.

Having said this, know your rights.  Know what cops can and cannot do.  If
they see that you know *their* rules, they'll be less likely to give you
shit.  Could whoever posted that info on being detained and searched by cops
a few months ago (or anyone that hung onto that post) repost it?

Nancy (Erie on Vrave, unsubbed for break) would be pissed if I didn't
re-mention the story of how she was working a booth at one of the recent
Chicago parties, a cop came up to her, said "sell me what's on the speakers"
and proceeded to buy an Efex tape.

-kc


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Hello & Peace!  Have some light...
======= ======= =======
I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed with some of the things I've
seen posted in regards to this "Image is Everything" thread.  There is such
an underlying feeling of hopelessness in the words...

Everything about fires and fire codes and lawsuits and how cops perceive us
and all that is certainly very relevant, and those are all excellent
points.  Unfortunately, those are all boundaries we have to work within for
the time being.  (Of course, if people would realize that you can also make
use of sound and movement in SMALL GROUPS, too, and that there doesn't
always have to be 1000 people crammed under one roof, a lot of these issues
would no longer be issues... and it would sure end a lot of bitching about
money-grubbing promoters and the state of the rave scene, too.)  Just
because these boundaries exist, however, doesn't mean we should paint such
a gloomy picture for ourselves... the universe rearranges itself to
accomodate *your* picture of "reality"!

>Sure you may not believe in it (our legal system), but it is there
>and deal with the fucken reality that it is there and it isn't
>going to change.

If you do not believe that it will change, then it will not.  Plain and
simple.  You get what you focus your energy on.

>Life isn't peace, love, and exstacy.

Whoa, slow down, friend!  Life is what you make of it!  I live in peace,
love, and ecstacy every single day, and I know plenty of other people who
do.  It's a personal choice.  It's an outlook and a way of life.  There is
rarely a moment in my day-to-day life when I am not filled with peace and
love!  For me, life certainly IS peace, love, and ecstacy... and it can be
for you, too!  Personally, I see no other way to live my life... what else
am I gonna do, sit around and be depressed and feel victimized and bitch
about how shitty everything is?  That accomplishes nothing.  The more I
live in peace, love, and ecstacy, the more it spreads, and the happier
everyone is.  As I noticed someone state to this list a few months back,
"positivity is infectious".

>Do something for your scene, think in a realistic manner, and remember
>we are living in a really world where there is no "Funshine" shit.

THIS is doing something for the scene?  Yeah, I'll say it does something
for the scene, all right -- hurts it!  Raves are *meant* to be a funshine
break from the outside world, are they not?

Who says there is no funshine shit in the world?  The reason there isn't
much funshine shit out there is because people think it's "realistic" to
expect there isn't!!  I assure you that I am thinking *very*
"realistically" when I visualize a peaceful, loving, funshine-filled Gaian
population.  BECAUSE WHEN I VISUALIZE THESE THINGS, I CREATE THEM!  So do
you!  Sure, life on Earth might not be the prettiest of pictures right now,
but if we are content to think "realistically" and think there is no
funshine, then how are we *ever* going to create it?  How??  If someone
says, "Get a life, your head is in the clouds with all this funshine shit,
it's not REAListic to think like that," never mind them... that person is
imposing her/his reality onto yours and getting in the way of your right to
create funshine.  "REALity is merely a mathematical anomaly worth nothing
more than a footnote in a quantum physics book."  Let's play a neat new
game... called "Create Your Own Reality".  Actually, we've been playing it
all along...

>Honestly, how can we expect cops and the public to take us seriously
>when we are so pathetic.
>So basically you are asking the public to respect the rights of
>uneducated, underaged, immature, drug users.

Hm, so this is what you think of your raving sisters and brothers?  Well
gee, peace, love, and respect to you, too, my friend.  :)  I understand the
point you're making, though.

I'll agree with the fact that many are young, and many use drugs.  There is
nothing wrong with that... age of the physical body says nothing about the
age of one's essence (my body is 20, but I know I am much older), and
"drugs" (certain ones) are wonderful tools for breaking down barriers in
the mind that no longer serve us and for expanding our perceptions.  But as
far as being uneducated and immature... I have to disagree.  What is
"educated"?  Does "educated" mean being able to regurgitate all sortsa
useless classroom information that was forced into our brains generally
against our FREE WILL through neo-Pavlovian conditioning?  Sure, that kind
of "education" might land you a job somewhere so you can go off and get
married and have 2.5 kids and a white picket fence around your house and
quietly conform to a society that you *know* is messed up.  Big fuckin'
deal, that ain't what life is about!  We FEEL deep within our hearts that
it isn't what life is about, or else we would be following that path.  And
I ask, what is immature about partying, having fun, dancing ecstatically,
and exploring altered/alternative states of consciousness?  What is
immature about living in child-like bliss?  What is immature about striving
for peace, love, unity, and respect, and pursuing that in an all night
party?  This is all time spent living in bliss, a state we have a natural
*right* to be in, and is ultimately time spent CREATING more bliss.  I find
the "average raver" (if such a thing exists) to be infinitely more mature
than the "average joe".  (Even though some ravers are only content to
extend that maturity to other ravers, which to me is not only paradoxical
but is like hoarding a good vibe.)  We have every right to be as happy as
is Earth-humanly possible.  If we see a ray of funshine shining through the
clouds, we certainly *should* ride that ray and do whatever brings us joy.
There is no reason not to!

>i have done my fair share of consuming drugs but does that mean you can
>not get an education...no !!....   education MUST come first and foremost.
>someone very interesting (Minister Ishmaheal Muhammead)  said this too me
>when I was working last month (as a guard for him)  "Ignorance will cause
>the world's downfall"

Yes, education is wonderful, and there is nothing more frightful than a
bustling ignorance.  I ask again, though, what is "education"?   Certainly
not useless information regurgitation and being conditioned like animals.

I am of the opinion that the real education takes place mainly *outside* of
school.  LIFE itself is an education.  Education takes place at a rave,
when you've danced into a trance state, and you get a taste of what it is
like to be ONE with the people around you, and with all that is.  Education
takes place when you exist as part of the rave culture and you become
"deprogrammed" from mainstream societal standards which obviously do not
serve people anymore.  Education takes places when you get kicked out of a
restaurant simply for having pink hair or body piercings even though you
were minding your own business and peacefully having a cup of coffee... and
you realize, "Hey, wait a minute, this isn't right, there must be a better
way."  Education takes place when I drive down the highway and somebody
flips me off simply for going too slowly for his tastes... and rather than
being pissed off or offended, I laugh and realize that it is only me who
was flipping myself off.

'nuff rambling from me.
PLUR and all that.  :)

Smilez & Rainbowz,                 I love YOU
-Randy  :)

osiris7@cris.com
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"Whether you think you can, or you
 think you can't -- you're right!"
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*********************************************************

FRIDAY JAN 12 1996

BODYROCK

Brought to you by Mofoco/theory in progress

featuring:
WILL WEB (Detroit)
EFEX (Chicago)
NICK NICE (Madison)
D.J. TINY (Madison)
WICKETT (Madison)
XEYON (Portland)
AJ-47 (Madison)

608.282.0745
608.698.6403
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in madison.wi on fri. jan. 12 1996, MOFOCO and Theory in Progress together
bring you a kick ass party and we're gonna fukin...

                    BODY ROCK

DJ's include:
__will web 
_____detroit

__Nick Nice
_____madison

__EFEX
_____chi town

__dj tiny
____tell ya the truth, i dont know where he's from

__Wickett
____madison

__AJ-47
____portland

__Xeyon
____madison

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i wanna get really dirty and unsanitary like i havent been before
please please

last time was 3 and a third i got really dirty and scuzzy
before that i cant remember 

but i just luuuuvvvvv it

rain and dirt and moon bounce mix veryvery well 

happy trails

mikey davis
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it seems that potential dates for early this summer are filling up fast so
here's a pre-pre-eflyer:

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saturday, june 1st 1996
southeastern wisconsin under a full moon

F e s t i v a l   o f  t h e   M o o n

headling acts/djs to be announced as soon as confirmed...

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also...

september 14th - Soundscape

october 26th - Festival of the Moon II


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joe
DynamicGroove
414.967.3259

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>i wanna get really dirty and unsanitary like i havent been before
>please please
>
rain and dirt and moon bounce mix veryvery well
>
>happy trails
>
>mikey davis
>davisi@odo.msoe.edu

DesertRavesDesertRavesDesertRaves!!!!
should u ever venture out west (AZ, NM, CA) let me know for we know Dirt.
Desert Lakebeds,no cost, no cops, no walls. Hear the rekkids, kiss the
moon, become one with mudd. Nuthin better. i m spoilt 4 life.
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan  8 18:44:29 1996
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Yes, I know.  This has little to do with rave culture, per se.  But
I was tiring of the good/bad cop stuff of late.  Also, since much of what 
we discuss here is fair to good post-modern discourse (well, sort of;-),
I thought it apropos to send this along.  Enjoy and think a little about
our warehouse aesthetic while you read the following piece.


- stevenJ

___________________________________________________________
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> 
> The People
> December 23, 1995
> Vol. 105 No. 17
> 
> DEMISE OF THE HIGH RISE
> SIGNALS CHANGED CONDITIONS
> 
> 
> "...The final causes of all social changes and political 
> revolutions are to be sought, not in men's brains, not in man's 
> better insight into eternal truth and justice, but in changes in 
> the modes of production and exchange."
> 
> --Frederick Engels, SOCIALISM: FROM UTOPIA TO SCIENCE
> 
> BY B.B.
> 
> Complementary to the article that appeared on page one of THE 
> PEOPLE of Nov. 25, "Where Do Workers Fit in the 'New' Economy?" 
> is the urban counterpart of those shifts currently bringing 
> unprecedented dislocations and promise-mounting squalor and 
> misery for the working class.
> 
> The architecture and constructed environment of previous eras 
> remain as historical testaments to the achievements of previous 
> civilizations. Capitalism, however, eschews the remnants of its 
> former grandeur. It gauges all worth on the sacred altar of 
> profit and loss.
> 
> American capitalism's global image is one of aggregations of 
> gleaming high-rise buildings dominating major metropolitan areas. 
> That image is rapidly becoming outmoded as hundreds of high-rise 
> buildings have become empty specters, ghostly reminders of 
> "capitalism's past," soaring phantoms beckoning the wrecker's 
> ball. It remains another of socialism's tasks to salvage the best 
> of what workers have wrought under this system.
> 
> "Skylines Come Down to Earth," an article by Rick Hampson in a 
> recent issue of the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, cited abundant facts 
> that underlie the urban disintegration behind the demise of the 
> tall multistory office building:
> 
> %Nationally, the tallest building constructed during 1995, the 
> Wachovia Corp. headquarters in Winston-Salem, was only 30 stories 
> high;
> 
> %Bethlehem Steel closed the rolling mill that has made wide-
> flange structural members for innumerable high-rise buildings, 
> including the Empire State Building;
> 
> %Corporations are no longer bent on creating bombastic icons that 
> symbolize power, glitz and market domination as in the past;
> 
> %The current vacancy rate for downtown office space is at 16.7 
> percent nationally, two-and-one-half times what real estateniks 
> regard as healthy.
> 
> Indeed, in city after city downtown vacancy rates have climbed 
> with New York, Detroit, Chicago and Dallas being among the most 
> severely affected. In the latter, the vacancies are at 34.6 
> percent, in Miami 27 percent, in Baltimore 23 percent, etc. 
> Chicago's 26-year-old Sears Tower, currently the world's tallest 
> building, is half empty. Sears has sold it and moved its 
> headquarters to a new suburban location. Similarly, AT&T and IBM 
> have vacated the premises they once occupied, which were regarded 
> as heady symbols of corporate splendor only a decade ago.
> 
> Obedient to the imperatives of national and international 
> competition, cost cutting is the order of the day. Cost cutting 
> invariably translates into increased exploitation and job 
> trashing. As Hampson summarized it: "An increasingly competitive 
> world economy forces companies to cut costs, the biggest of which 
> are office workers and the spaces they occupy." In fact, a major 
> draw to suburban locations are not golf greens but part-time 
> clerical labor largely drawn from homemakers desperate to 
> supplement faltering family incomes.
> 
> Additionally, commutes are shorter, adding potentially free hours 
> to salaried employees, and buildings are cheaper to build with 
> office floor-plates larger and more flexible than even the 
> largest high-rise building.
> 
> As for the old center-city business areas with their abandoned 
> vintage high-rise buildings, as well as those built in recent 
> decades--it's a throwaway world. As one real estatenik declared: 
> "They're architectural icons of a day that has passed. They're 
> gorgeous, but they have no function."
> 
> In downtown Dallas, feeble efforts are being made to salvage over 
> a dozen high-rise buildings built before World War II, which have 
> an average vacancy rate of 70 percent. Some stand empty, such as 
> "the 33-story Mercantile Bank Tower as well as the landmark Kirby 
> Building, the Praetorian Building, the Collum Building and the 
> Dallas Power and Light tower." These could be converted to 
> residential use, but indigent and unemployed workers do not a 
> market make, and there is little demand for working-class or 
> high-income downtown housing.
> 
> The rapid deterioration of center cities is nothing new. Indeed, 
> it is a perennial feature of capitalist society. The current 
> decline reflects a reconstitution of the capitalist city form 
> reflecting material changes in the mode of production. It also 
> mirrors the chaos prevalent within the capitalist real estate 
> market. Urban areas, the land they occupy, are merely 
> aggregations of a salable commodity, land, upon which an industry 
> depends for constant expansion. Therefore, engulfing virgin 
> forest, farmland, desert, wetlands or swamp, and encouraging 
> sprawl, are part of the mindless anarchy of real estate growth. 
> This "industry" depends upon obsolescence in neighborhoods, 
> districts and buildings for market expansion. Sentimental, 
> artistic or historical interests and attachments are 
> incomprehensible judgments that have little clout in the overall 
> capitalist scheme of things. This is yet another reason why a 
> socialist reconstruction of society is an imperative necessity if 
> anything is to be left to posterity, or if there is even to be a 
> posterity.
> 




- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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Just a thought.  Maybe in the near future we'll occupy high-rises 
instead of warehouses for parties.  Anyone here ever read _Snowcrash_ by
Neil Stephenson or the latter-day novels by William Gibson?  Maybe they
were closer to the mark than we thought back in the 1980s.

Any thoughts?



- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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	This from an entity known as Hakim Bey. I think it applies with 
all this oppression/cops/liberties/freedoms stuff. It's from a longer 
essay on the Tong secret societies of China and how they can work for 
us.
	"If immediatism begins with groups of friends trying not just to 
overcome isolation but also to enhance each others' lives, soon it will 
want to take a more complex shape:- nuclei of mutually-self-chosen 
allies, working(playing) to occupy more&more time & space outside all 
mediated structure and control. Then it will want to become a horizontal 
network of such autonomous groups- then, a tendency- then a movement- & 
then a kinetic web of temporary autonomous zones. At last it will strive 
to become the kernel of a new society, giving birth to itself within the 
corrupt shell of the old. For all these purposes the secret society 
promises to provide a useful framework of protective clandestinity- a 
cloak of invisibility that will have to be dropped only in the event of 
some final showdown with the Babylon of Mediation."
	Keep it underground, and fuck what anyone else thinks of it. 
Thanks to the net the spirit of the rave is alive and independent of the 
forces that fight to maintain the status quo, and breed the fear of change 
into the ignorant populace. We are the cutting edge of a bright future, 
we just can't let it fall apart like the hippies did.
		PLUR...if you believe.

                                    Sspoore
                           <sspoore@bgnet.bgsu.edu>            
         
  
    ...ExploreDiscoverDissectAnalyzeEliminateAssimilateEvolveContinue...
                                              


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kctopitz wrote...
Nancy (Erie on Vrave, unsubbed for break) would be pissed if I didn't
re-mention the story of how she was working a booth at one of the recent
Chicago parties, a cop came up to her, said "sell me what's on the speakers"
and proceeded to buy an Efex tape.
-kc

thats too cool...  i suppose ill tell a story as well...  at the party this
weekend in mnpls when we were being shoved out by 12 of minn's officer
friendlies one of them came up and asked me who orginized this party i said
i didnt know...  he said that who ever did must of been pretty "rad" and
that he was diggin the music and that the party was "really cool"and its "a
shame" that it had to be broken up... that 5oh was cool,,  but then again
there was this lady who kept screaming in my ear to start moving quickly
towards the elevators and at every one that "this is a no smoking building
and to drop your ciggs and get the ___ out."  her karma was toataly
negitive towards the generally peacefull and submissive crowd.  i dont
understand cops i suppose,,,  they seem uncool if they dont smile, they
look at me all the time like i am doing somthing wrong,  just because of
the way i look, or somthing,  i think that they need to look upon us with
the same respect as they want us to look at them,  respect goes a long way
in my book,....

 i suppose if we truly believe in plur,  we should extend this peace and
love and respect to everyone,  regardless of race creed coler sex or
job,...

                                        rocketboy



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kc wrote:
>
>Nancy (Erie on Vrave, unsubbed for break) would be pissed if I didn't
>re-mention the story of how she was working a booth at one of the recent
>Chicago parties, a cop came up to her, said "sell me what's on the speakers"
>and proceeded to buy an Efex tape.
>

Kinda reminds me of when I was at nutcracker. I was standing by the dj booth 
watching Heather Heart spin, and noticed the cops were there and walking around. 
Five minutes later I turned around and there were 3 Chicago cops standing there 
bobbing their heads. One of them goes "Damn check it out, that little girl is 
playing this stuff !" Needless to say this made me crack a very big smile.

Eric
adamjack on vrave

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan  8 22:05:03 1996
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If there is anyone with a scanner, and willing to put them up on 
hyperreal, I have some really good pictures from the Decadance party. 
They are closeups of BiochipC, BiochipC's gear, Neuromancer, and 
Choose. I can snail mail them to anyone with the equippment if they are 
interested.

Eric 
adamjack on vrave

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Ok, u guys wanted some more reviews well here's mine!  This was truely the
best RAVE I have seen in a long time.. The music kicked ASS, The people knew
the reason why they were there, and for it being a chicago rave, all I have
to say is THANKS chicago for pulling through and giving us a great night!!  I
hope INFERNO comes along too???  
P.S. What time did the party end? I left at 6:00 and it was still goin!
PEACE>LOVE>UNITY<DANCE

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From: curtis80@ix.netcom.com (Charles Mead )
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hooray for p.earache!!

you always say the perfect shit at the right time muthafucka!!

ok, two things:

1. i want it dirty as hell with nails sticking out of the ceiling...

2.let's take it back underground......

anyone ever seen the comic book release from +8?  # +8019?
check it out, it'll blow your brains out!


=P                  Clinton

mahdi from vrave

please go to Spark in minneapolis on saturday?!


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> Thanks to the net the spirit of the rave is alive and independent of the 
> forces that fight to maintain the status quo, and breed the fear of change 
> into the ignorant populace. We are the cutting edge of a bright future, 
> we just can't let it fall apart like the hippies did.
> 		PLUR...if you believe.
> 


this just struck me...but does anyone else see the irony here?  is it 
not ironic that our underground's main communication medium is in 
existance only because of the socitey that we are so far from?

tell me if i'm misreading somethign...it is late at night |)

--star* 

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Theoretically there exists a perfect possibility of happiness: To believe in the indestructible element in onself and not strive after it. --Kafka

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hi all
here's what's goin on

---------------------------------

     saturday...jan 13

   /====        /| /|
  /== CSTATIC  / |/ |USIC
 /====        /

  ......in a city pitch dark...
      ....glow the tiniest...
     /****        **   ***\
     *     ***   ** *  *  * *  *
       ***\ * * *    * * *   **
          *  *         *  *   **
      ****    *                *  *
  ___________________________________
             Dj's:

     *HENRY VENGENCE**     special guest
 Headstrong New York...straight outta the snows

    **PHANTOM 45******
  CHA...1st time EVER in minneapolis

      **INVISIBLE**
  Drop Bass, Communique...LIVE performance

plus...

     DRONE         MR. E-TONES
   APOLLO                       MUSHROOM CLOUD
      POLTIER&MAD KID       PARA
 MINDFLUX              SLIP
           CHRIS SATTINGER        GABBER GIRL
     GUIDO                   HU

 .....     all this on 16 bins in the main room        .....
                   and 4 in the second room
      
       FuN STuFF::
 -Pleasure rooms to play in
 _Dj Morgan T. of the improv dance troup CONCRETE FARM
       with a combined music and dance performance
 _Fire juggler/eater
 _FREE morning treats at the smart bar
 _Chill room to sooth yer soul

    --=-==-------====------=--------
   **there will be a paid 
 St. Paul police officer on sight***
 
     **the space is a confirmed, virgin, legal
                venue***

    **tickets will be $13...
          sold at a fresh map point***

 (e)cstatic wants to hear from you
       call for info
     and comments at     ......(612)407-0494

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this should be fun ;}
note the presence of 4 net dj's
hope ta see ya there

       **hugs**

     <<^GUiDO^^>>>>>
 wate0044@maroon.tc.umn.edu...........8}



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"star" <star@interaccess.com> said...
> 
> this just struck me...but does anyone else see the irony here?  is it 
> not ironic that our underground's main communication medium is in 
> existance only because of the socitey that we are so far from?

Don't take this wrong, but that's one of the things that makes America
a horse of a different colour.  At least, that IMHO was part of the
nation's impetus.  The trouble is that we don't have much of a 'nation'
left to speak of, per se.



- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan  9 09:22:24 1996
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Subject: Mercury 7 - Indianapolis, IN - Feb. 10th, 1996 (fwd)
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> From: DjMisfit@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:55:44 -0500
> Subject: Mercury 7 - Indianapolis, IN - Feb. 10th, 1996
> 
> 
> big up all crew....
> on Februrary 10th, 1996 Nink Productions has liftoff with
> 
> M E R C U R Y  7   -----------|)=========>
> 
> on a course from eight North American cities, Flight Commanders:
> 
> Detroit:  Heckle & Jeckle (Bileebob  & Paris), Acid Pimp, Twan
> Chicago:  Misfit, Justin Long, Shawn
> Toronto:  Algorhythm
> Bloomington:  CracoSaca (live PA)
> St. Love:  Waxy
> Cincinnati:  Mowgli & X-Ian
> Indianapolis:  Top Speed
> Ft. Wayne:  Mad Chiller, Unit-E
> 
> *note*
> $3 discount for out-of-staters, similar discount if canned good is brought to
> the door.  Check it!  I've seen the space, it's the bomb!  Many surprises in
> store!  two levels!
> 
> MainLine????   Nink Productions: 1 . 317 . 767 . 0179     
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan  9 09:39:44 1996
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I have a Juno 6 for sale.  I no longer need it since I've just aquired
a bunch of new analog gear.

The Juno 6 is pretty phat.

If you want it or want more info on it email me.

I would prefer to sell this in the Chicago - Milwaukee - Madison - Green BAy
region, since shipping this Beast would be kinda hard..  But if 
you are outside my are, maybe we could work something out :)

First person to email with the Subject "I want It" wil get the Juno 6

peace and love 

tony / love express


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan  9 09:47:06 1996
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I have an Ensoniq Esq-1 Digital Analogue Hybrid Workstation keyboard 4 sale.

It is in good condition and comes with manual and advanced programming book.

Also comes with 2000 patches in sysx format...  

All for only $275 firm!    <------ This is an incredible bargain!

Local area sale preferred (Chicago / Milwaukee / Madison / Green Bay)

But can always work something out.

First person to reply saying "I want this!" gets it!

peace and love

tony / love express / groove apostle

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan  9 09:55:01 1996
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there is going to be a party in windsor, ontario this coming saturday.  djs 
include dbx, mike huckaby, ken collier, and d. wynn.  i have no idea what 
the info line is (i left it at home, as soon as i can i'll post it), but 
it is located at either 945 or 965 walker road in windsor.



aaron bennett
western michigan university-kalamazoo
99benne4@lab.cc.wmich.edu

halfway between detroit and chicago....




From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan  9 10:03:49 1996
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> This is yet another reason why a 
> socialist reconstruction of society is an imperative necessity if 
> anything is to be left to posterity, or if there is even to be a 
> posterity.

Ha! socialist "reconstruction" of society doesn't work. People have to 
have something to work for, socialism doesn't cut it... As Russia and 
China found out. A higher minimum wage and stronger unions are a couple 
of steps to take if you think workers are getting screwed... not socialism!

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan  9 10:06:23 1996
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Does anyone know the email address of the California raves message areas? 
Both southern and northern parts, if they are separate. Thanks!

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan  9 10:10:09 1996
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Forwarded message:
> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:36:20 -0500 (EST)
> From: Rob Campanell <robcamp@indy3>
> Subject: re: high-rise demise (post)
> 
> On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:
> 
> > Just a thought.  Maybe in the near future we'll occupy high-rises 
> > instead of warehouses for parties.  Anyone here ever read _Snowcrash_ by
> > Neil Stephenson or the latter-day novels by William Gibson?  Maybe they
> > were closer to the mark than we thought back in the 1980s.
> 
> A book closer to your decline of american cities is called _Edge Cities_ 
> by Joel Gareau. It discusses the commuting patterns and suburban sprawl.  
> Modern day Johannesburg is very close to Gibson's vision in _Virtual 
> Light_ where private homes are gated, pets are guard dogs, and the 
> highest electronic protection security systems are staffed by private 
> security forces.
> 
> If you've read, Stephenson, Gibson, Lisa Mason, then read _Edge Cities_ 
> and it all becomes clearer.
> 
>  - Rob Campanell (robcamp@indy.net)
>    http://taz.hyperreal.com/cyberia/
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan  9 10:11:10 1996
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i dont really know anything but what ive read on mw-raves...  but this
seems like its really going to go down in a phat way,,,  lets geet the
whole fukin city there,  no lets get the whole midwest there,,  so everyone
come and bring a buddy,  lets make this one fly...



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan  9 10:24:16 1996
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our illustrious "data mentor" stevenj said:
>
>"star" <star@interaccess.com> said...
>> 
>> this just struck me...but does anyone else see the irony here?  is it 
>> not ironic that our underground's main communication medium is in 
>> existance only because of the socitey that we are so far from?
>
>Don't take this wrong, but that's one of the things that makes America
>a horse of a different colour.  At least, that IMHO was part of the
>nation's impetus.  The trouble is that we don't have much of a 'nation'
>left to speak of, per se.

au contraire, mon frere.
I would posit that we *do* have much of a "nation" left.  It depends
on whether your "nation" is founded on principle as opposed to dogma.
No to be too libertarian here, but the reason the US "works" is that 
its founding principles allow for the creation and vitality of things
like the internet.  These exercises in personal freedom serve to 
undermine any attempts (government/media/industry) to overtly control
the course of the nation.  Think of it this way--we (netters, ravers, etc.)
are antibodies riding the organism "Uncle Sam".  When the nasty viruses
of "programming" invade, we'll be there to knock 'em down.

I don't think we disagree at all, except on the definition of "nation".
The whole friggin world is going tribal.  I think the U.S. has some
good source code in place to be able to handle the future.

Now if only we can figure out this over-consumption thingy...

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I definitely agree, perplexer was incredible.  It seemed to me that a lot
of people cleared out very early though and missed all the good stuff
that went on later.  Is there anyone who could give me the lineup again?
I missed some of the names and i really want to know who was spinning from
about 3 to 6. There was some new guy from ATP that played the most delicious
hard trance I've ever heard. What was his name again? Whoever didn't go 
missed out on a very good scene.

				drown

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Here's another Generator infomercial to waste your bandwidth. These will be
obsolete soon because of Submerge's new web page, but where else can you get
my wit and sarcasm ? ;)

later
ao

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GENERATOR NEWS 4

First of all, Happy New Year from Generator. We hope your holidays were b=
right and your family didn't get on your nerves too much and you didn't g=
et too fat and sick from all that holiday food. I myself am fasting until=
 March, and have changed my phone number to avoid my family. We hope that=
 you got a lot of cash for Xmas so you can get all of our new stuff for '=
96.

RELEASE NEWS
Next on deck is the long-awaited compilation CD "World Sonik Domination V=
olume Two", the sequel to the much-sought after, import-only comp that pu=
t Generator on the map, but this time it's domestic. Featured artists inc=
lude: DJ T-1000, DJ ESP, Marco Passarani, Matteo Monteduro, X-313 (the re=
d-hot Clarke remix), Passarani and Monteduro together (previously unrelea=
sed) and myself and Woody McBride together as well. We are at the artwork=
 stage, hopefully for early March release (GEN023). Copies of the origina=
l Kickin UK release (GEN008) are (or will be) available thru Submerge.

In the meantime, trainspotters all over the world have been asking: "Wher=
e is GEN020 and GEN021 ?" Wonder no more: GEN020 is the equally long-awai=
ted new release from DJ T-1000, "Liquid Metal Mixdown", inspired by his r=
ecent nationwide tour of the US (especially Philly !) "Mixdown" makes "Li=
quid Metal Monster" (which is SOLD OUT, thank you very much) look like a =
Perry Como record. Out in February (GEN020). GEN021 are the new Generator=
 slipmats. To order, contact Submerge at submerge@msen.com

And GEN024 is the slammin' 2x12" Generator debut of Random Fluctuations a=
=2Ek.a. Marco Repetto (Axodya, Rephlex, Drop Bass Network) from Switzerla=
nd. Minimal, funky and straight-up DJ friendly dance music. This will app=
ear around the same time as "World Sonik" so keep an eye out for it.

Finally, the Alan D. Oldham ambient/soundtrack project, "Enginefloatreact=
or", has been completed. Release date and catalog number to be announced.=
 But it will be CD-only. =


ARTWORK NEWS
In the middle of the album/CD cover for the Astralwerks compilation "Beyo=
nd The Third Wave". A DJ T-1000 track, "Solid Signal", also appears on th=
e compilation, alongside Claude Young (who will appear on Generator in '9=
6). Other Detroit artists appear on the comp, too, really.

After that, it's on to the next Miss Djax comic (did you get "Miss Djax V=
s. The World" 12"/comic ?).

And hopefully in '96 we'll see new full-length color comic adventures of =
the futuristic, way-sexy, ultra-cool and heavily-armed Orietta St. Cloud:=
 DANGER GIRL, whose strip in MUZIK got shit-canned in favor of more ads. =


ALSO COMING SOON
DJ T-1000 mixtapes, by popular demand. Completely hooked-up and properly =
manufactured.

LICENSING NEWS
There is none, because Generator, if all goes well, is out of the foreign=
 licensing business for '96, despite numerous requests for much of our mu=
sic ("You're going to have to come down here, Khan").

DJ TOUR NEWS/Euro Sonik Domination Tour 1996
2/24- Ottawa, Canada
4/3-Zagreb, Yugoslavia (warzone, baby!)
4/4- Laibach, Yugoslavia
4/5- Vienna, Austria
4/6- Graz, Austria
4/20- Detroit, MI (w/ Woody McBride, details TBA)
4/27- Columbus, OH (w/ Woody McBride and Dave Clarke, details TBA)

RESPECT
To all the US promoters who kept me busy throughout December, and all the=
 kids who came to the parties. Everyone who says there's no American rave=
 scene hasn't looked. But we can't get w/ the dopehead thing. Keep the pa=
rties (and yourselves) pure. To all the vinyl kids and trainspotters who =
support our label, there's way more to come I just haven't told you. And =
crazy-ass Claude who's FINALLY coming onto the label, I've been chasing h=
im forever.

Generator. World Sonik Domination. And This is Only The Beginning.

Check out our home page (and the Johnny Gambit page) on Hyperreal. And fo=
r more info, check out the new Submerge website (I don't have the URL in =
front of me, but it's dope, trust me).

alanoldham
generatordetroit



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> i dont really know anything but what ive read on mw-raves...  but
> this seems like its really going to go down in a phat way,,,  lets
> geet the whole fukin city there,  no lets get the whole midwest
> there,,  so everyone come and bring a buddy,  lets make this one
> fly...

Hell yeah!!!  This party is shaping up to be a happy community 
affair, I'm more excited about this party than I have most parties in 
the last six months.  Mainly cuz it's being thrown by people in the 
know about what community and friendship and raves all mean when tied 
together.

earache

Professor Earache
=================>
beatPHREAKsociety

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If a lot of mw-ravers are going to Spark maybe we could get together 
before the party like 9 or 10 -- Denny's, some coffee house, someplace 
else?  Otherwise we could just meet at the party, but that usually makes 
it hard to talk, etc :)

-- Chris


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> If a lot of mw-ravers are going to Spark maybe we could get together
> before the party like 9 or 10 -- Denny's, some coffee house,
> someplace else?  Otherwise we could just meet at the party, but that
> usually makes it hard to talk, etc :)

There will be three rooms @ spark, two with sound system and one 
without.  net.headZ in attendance, we should hook up in the third 
chill area later in the evening.  I dunno what time is good, but 2am 
sounds fair :)

Seeyaz!

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> Hello & Peace!  Have some light...
> ======= ======= =======
> I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed with some of the things I've
> seen posted in regards to this "Image is Everything" thread.  There is such
> an underlying feeling of hopelessness in the words...

well, there is hopelessness that occurs in all of us.  to not feel 
hopelessness, despair pain and remorse would be to not be human.

> and all that is certainly very relevant, and those are all excellent
> points.  Unfortunately, those are all boundaries we have to work within for
> the time being.  (Of course, if people would realize that you can also make
> use of sound and movement in SMALL GROUPS, too, and that there doesn't

hear hear!  big ol' shout out for SMALL PARTIES!!!!

> always have to be 1000 people crammed under one roof, a lot of these issues
> would no longer be issues... and it would sure end a lot of bitching about
> money-grubbing promoters and the state of the rave scene, too.)  Just

two INCREDIBLY valid points that many on this list would do well to keep 
in mind...

> because these boundaries exist, however, doesn't mean we should paint such
> a gloomy picture for ourselves... the universe rearranges itself to
> accomodate *your* picture of "reality"!

this, however, i must take issue with.  the universe, however optimistic 
we may be, does *not* re-arrange itself as is convenient for you.  or at 
least, i have not experienced it to work as such.  if my picture of 
reality is that the sky is orange, will the universe re-arrange itself to 
accomodatye my "reality"?  nuh-uh.  if my picture of reality is that i 
can walk up to a random stranger, hit him in the face, and walk away 
unscathed, will the universe rearrange itself to accomodate my reality?  
hell no.

reality (to me) is what we percieve.  it strikes me as being a lot easier 
to change your perceptions than to change reality.

> >Sure you may not believe in it (our legal system), but it is there
> >and deal with the fucken reality that it is there and it isn't
> >going to change.
> 
> If you do not believe that it will change, then it will not.  Plain and
> simple.  You get what you focus your energy on.

well, as a rsult of my white-bread suburban upbringing, i was taught that 
the government/police/system etc. *could* be changed.  i did believe 
this.  then i tried it, and found out that changing an organization 
involving millions of individual human beings is a very complex and 
complicated task.  which is not to say that it's impossible - tim mcveigh 
made a *huge* change in the system.  lee harvey oswald amde a *huge* 
change in the system.  that route doesn't look too appealing to me, 
though.  for what individuals can we honestly say have single-handedly 
made a *significant*, *positive* change int eh system.  even people like 
martin luther king usually had a huge swell of grassroots support from 
*other people*.  

the sad fact is that reality is not about individuals.  reality is about 
*everybody*.

> >Life isn't peace, love, and exstacy.
> 
> Whoa, slow down, friend!  Life is what you make of it!  I live in peace,
> love, and ecstacy every single day, and I know plenty of other people who

don't you ever get bored?  again, to me life is not about the enjoyment 
of pure and total enjoymnent 24 hours a day.  life is mostly avergae, 
with some high and low points thrown in every now and then to spice 
things up.  i'm all for trying to maximize your high points, but you have 
to realize that in the eventual scheme of things, this will in all 
likelihood maximize your low points too.  these things just tend to even 
each other out.  it's thermodynamics really - energy can be niether 
created nor destroyed, just exchanged.  if you *think* you're living in 
"peace, love and XTC" 24 hours a day every single day, then my serious 
advice to you is to get professional help - this is *not* (IMHO) a 
healthy way to live your life.

> do.  It's a personal choice.  It's an outlook and a way of life.  There is
> rarely a moment in my day-to-day life when I am not filled with peace and
> love!  

wow.   how do you stand it?  dunno about anybody else, but i *need* some 
good-ol-fashioned ANGST every once in a while.  you can only feel happy 
for so long before you start to lose any idea of what happy really is.

> For me, life certainly IS peace, love, and ecstacy... and it can be
> for you, too!  Personally, I see no other way to live my life... what else
> am I gonna do, sit around and be depressed and feel victimized and bitch
> about how shitty everything is?  That accomplishes nothing.  The more I

well, sometimes it's good to sit around and bitch.  not a whole lot, but 
it can a) be a very healthy vent for your frustrations  b) let other 
people know how you feel, thus bringing about if not change at least 
communication  c) put you in touch with others who feel similarly, 
allowing you to move forward as a group and attempt to bring about change 
(which is much easier for a group than an individual).  it can actually 
accomplish a lot.  but if that's not your taste, so be it.

> live in peace, love, and ecstacy, the more it spreads, and the happier
> everyone is.  As I noticed someone state to this list a few months back,
> "positivity is infectious".

his i do agree with.  but then, so is negativity.  it would probably be 
mnore conscise to say that "emotion is contagious".

> >Do something for your scene, think in a realistic manner, and remember
> >we are living in a really world where there is no "Funshine" shit.
> 
> THIS is doing something for the scene?  Yeah, I'll say it does something
> for the scene, all right -- hurts it!  Raves are *meant* to be a funshine
> break from the outside world, are they not?

or some they are.  for some they're just a place to get drugs.  for some 
they're just a place to meet people.  for some they're just a place to 
dance.  keep in mind please that not everybody shares your viewpoints of 
raves as the be-=all and end-all of existance.

> Who says there is no funshine shit in the world?  The reason there isn't
> much funshine shit out there is because people think it's "realistic" to
> expect there isn't!!  I assure you that I am thinking *very*
> "realistically" when I visualize a peaceful, loving, funshine-filled Gaian
> population.  BECAUSE WHEN I VISUALIZE THESE THINGS, I CREATE THEM!  So do

really?  i must tell you that this intrigues me.  you mean to tell me 
that simply be picturing something inside your head, it comes to pass?  
because that just dosn't happen with me.  i usually have to *start* by 
visulaizing something in my head, then figure out concrete steps that i 
can take towards accomplishing this goal, then take those steps, then 
maybe something remotely resembling what i had originally visualized 
comes to pass, but not very often, and usually not exactly how i had 
visualized it.  *this* is what *I* call REALITY.   once in a hilw things 
work out just great, which is really nice, and once in a while things 
turn to shit, which sucks.  but most of the time it's somethere in the 
middle.  again, this is my view of REALITY.

> you!  Sure, life on Earth might not be the prettiest of pictures right now,
> but if we are content to think "realistically" and think there is no
> funshine, then how are we *ever* going to create it?  How??  If someone
> says, "Get a life, your head is in the clouds with all this funshine shit,

but what if they're right?  what if you *are* living with your head in 
the clouds, and not to much of what you dream for actually comes to 
pass?  you must admit that anything can be taken too far... there's a 
difference between having dreams and having nothing else.

> it's not REAListic to think like that," never mind them... that person is
> imposing her/his reality onto yours and getting in the way of your right to
> create funshine.  "REALity is merely a mathematical anomaly worth nothing
> more than a footnote in a quantum physics book."  Let's play a neat new

tell me that again next time you get mugged.


> game... called "Create Your Own Reality".  Actually, we've been playing it
> all along...
> 
> >Honestly, how can we expect cops and the public to take us seriously
> >when we are so pathetic.
> >So basically you are asking the public to respect the rights of
> >uneducated, underaged, immature, drug users.
> 
> Hm, so this is what you think of your raving sisters and brothers?  Well

hat is a low blow which i take serious umbrage with.  you are saying that 
it is perfectly OK with you for 15-year-olds to drop out of their 
freshman year of high school so they can lose their virginity to a 
AIDS-infected promoter and get hooked on crytal meth?  these things 
do happen.  i personally know a LOT of 15-year-old high-school-dropout 
meth-addicts, and they make me really realy depressed, because they don't 
look to me like they're having very much fun.  at all.  except when  
their guy shows up with their bumps.  you did not address this at all in 
your response to john, just insinuating that he wasn't as "down" as he 
should have been with the communitywhen all he was doing was adressing 
the pretty-much-universally accepted problems of drug addiction and 
ignorance.

> gee, peace, love, and respect to you, too, my friend.  :)  I understand the
> point you're making, though.

ou apparently do not, because you never addressed it.  having known john 
for a bit now, i can assure you that he is so down he was down when down 
WAS down, and when he talks about these things he speaks from a position 
far from one of ignorance.

> I'll agree with the fact that many are young, and many use drugs.  There is
> nothing wrong with that... age of the physical body says nothing about the

how do you figure there's nothing wrong with china OD-ing at 
Interstellar?  how do figure there's nothing wrong with being *addicted* 
to heroin, or cocaine, meth, or PCP?   there is nothing wrong with that?  
soryy manm, but you need a big fat reality check real quick.  or maybe 
you've just not known as many meth and coke addicts as i have.

> age of one's essence (my body is 20, but I know I am much older), and
> "drugs" (certain ones) are wonderful tools for breaking down barriers in
> the mind that no longer serve us and for expanding our perceptions.  But as

granted, some drugs have many positive effects.  but you completely fail 
to deal with the flip side of the coin.  anything that has benefits has 
risks, and anybody who would deny this basic law of nature is a fool.

> far as being uneducated and immature... I have to disagree.  What is
> "educated"?  Does "educated" mean being able to regurgitate all sortsa
> useless classroom information that was forced into our brains generally
> against our FREE WILL through neo-Pavlovian conditioning?  Sure, that kind

OK.  this is just *funny*.  you don't like being able to read?  you don't 
like bieng able to do simple math, or even simple algebra (they've both 
come in real handy for me)?  you don't like knowing the things that you 
know about because you went to school?  or did you?   see that you can 
read and write, so i'm assuming you at least started high school.  i can 
tell you honestly that the first honest information i got about LSD was 
ij my high school health class.  if not neo-pavlonianism, what method do 
*you* propose for the education of youngsters?  what do you prpopose as a 
viable alternative to public schooling through grade 12?  america's 
children are already among the most poorly educated in the world.  what 
would you propose as the replacement for the american educational 
system?  because although i will be the first to admiut it does have its 
faults, and even plenty of them, it worked out for me and most of my 
classmates, and i really don't think you could set up anything better.  
but hey, prove me wrong.

i'm sorry if i'm coming across as unduly vitriolic, but education is 
something i feel very strongly about.  like i said, i know too many 
high-school dropouts who are destined to work at fast-food restaurants 
until they do something with their brains.

> of "education" might land you a job somewhere so you can go off and get
> married and have 2.5 kids and a white picket fence around your house and
> quietly conform to a society that you *know* is messed up.  Big fuckin'

this is the *only* outcome to a completed high school education, is what 
you're saying?  please tell me i read this wrong...  i know TONS of 
people who passed high school who are in JAIL, or living on COMMUNES, or 
dealing drugs, or touring the world in succesful electro bands, or in 
genberal doing LOTS of things besides having a white picket fence and 2.5 
kids.  and as for the marriage, there is now a 50% divorce rate.

> deal, that ain't what life is about!  We FEEL deep within our hearts that

slow down, pal - maybe that's not what life is about to YOU.   but would 
you deny the rights of others to have life be about whatever they wanted, 
to THEM?  i sure wouldn't.  grok the phrase, "difference of opinion".

> it isn't what life is about, or else we would be following that path.  And
> I ask, what is immature about partying, having fun, dancing ecstatically,
> and exploring altered/alternative states of consciousness?  What is

well, when taken in moderation and perspective with other necesary 
things, nothing.  but when performed to the exclusion of all else, that's 
a very immature was to behave.

> immature about living in child-like bliss?  What is immature about striving
> for peace, love, unity, and respect, and pursuing that in an all night
> party?  This is all time spent living in bliss, a state we have a natural
> *right* to be in, and is ultimately time spent CREATING more bliss.  I find

if you think you have a god-given RIGHT to be in a state of bliss any 
time you want, you are in for even more of a reality check than i 
thought, and i DON'T wanna be there when it arrives, cuz it ain't gonna 
be pretty.

> the "average raver" (if such a thing exists) to be infinitely more mature
> than the "average joe".  (Even though some ravers are only content to
> extend that maturity to other ravers, which to me is not only paradoxical
> but is like hoarding a good vibe.)  We have every right to be as happy as
> is Earth-humanly possible.  If we see a ray of funshine shining through the

this is a MUCH better way to put it - as is earth-humanly possible.

> clouds, we certainly *should* ride that ray and do whatever brings us joy.
> There is no reason not to!
> 
> >i have done my fair share of consuming drugs but does that mean you can
> >not get an education...no !!....   education MUST come first and foremost.
> >someone very interesting (Minister Ishmaheal Muhammead)  said this too me
> >when I was working last month (as a guard for him)  "Ignorance will cause
> >the world's downfall"
> 
> Yes, education is wonderful, and there is nothing more frightful than a
> bustling ignorance.  I ask again, though, what is "education"?   Certainly
> not useless information regurgitation and being conditioned like animals.

hey, if that's what high school was for you, than i'm really sorry, but i 
don't think that represents even 2% of all high-school experiences in 
america, so that arguement doesn't hold a whole lot of water with me.

> I am of the opinion that the real education takes place mainly *outside* of
> school.  LIFE itself is an education.  Education takes place at a rave,
> when you've danced into a trance state, and you get a taste of what it is
> like to be ONE with the people around you, and with all that is.  Education
> takes place when you exist as part of the rave culture and you become
> "deprogrammed" from mainstream societal standards which obviously do not
> serve people anymore.  Education takes places when you get kicked out of a
> restaurant simply for having pink hair or body piercings even though you
> were minding your own business and peacefully having a cup of coffee... and
> you realize, "Hey, wait a minute, this isn't right, there must be a better
> way."  Education takes place when I drive down the highway and somebody
> flips me off simply for going too slowly for his tastes... and rather than
> being pissed off or offended, I laugh and realize that it is only me who
> was flipping myself off.

these are all valid points, but i must also point out:

* education takes place when you are taught that 2 plus two equals four.
* education takes place when you are taught that the vowels are a, e, i, 
o, and u, and the other letters arethe consonants.
* education takes place when you are taught that when you keep a dead 
animal in formaldehyde, it is preserved, and you can then study the dead 
body and learn about things like organs, systems and organisms.
* education takes place when you are taught that a red light means stop, 
and agreen light means go.  (try learning this lesson through experience 
alone and the result could kill you)
* education takes place when you learn that chemical which stimulate the 
cerebral cortex very often prove addictive in nature.  ( *think* it's the 
cortex, it's been a while...)
* education takes place when you are taught that all rain is is the ocean 
water evaporating, going up into the atmosphere to form clouds, and then 
condensing into drops to fall back down on our head and run into the 
ocean and start the cycle of life all over again...
* education takes place when you are made to read the works of 
shakespeare, chaucer, dickens and london, and to play the symphonies of 
dvorak, mozart and grieg.
* education takes place when you are taught that if you don't give the 
bully your lunch money, he'll beat the living shit out of you.
* education takes place when you learn that all salt is is two deadly 
poisons bonded together.
* education takes place when you learn that no matter how many times your 
teacher lets you retake the test, the class is just too damn advanced for 
you and you would acheive much better results in a non-accelerated class.
* education takes place when you learn that everybody is your class has 
something special they can do.

these are just a FEW of the reasons i am so strongly in favor of a 
puibluc schooling through grade 12.  how much exposure would you get to 
things like the arts, the sciences and the wonders of history if you 
ddn't have to "worry" about school?  how many of the things you base your 
life on today are in some way based on your childhood experiences in 
public schools?  i know most of mine are.

anywayz, enough bandwidth for me, sorry if i tended to run off at the 
mouth...  or if i offended anybody...

-b. echthros

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Hi all,

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On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Scott Davidson wrote:

> > This is yet another reason why a 
> > socialist reconstruction of society is an imperative necessity if 
> > anything is to be left to posterity, or if there is even to be a 
> > posterity.
> 
> Ha! socialist "reconstruction" of society doesn't work. People have to 
> have something to work for, socialism doesn't cut it... As Russia and 
> China found out. A higher minimum wage and stronger unions are a couple 
> of steps to take if you think workers are getting screwed... not socialism!
> 
Unions are one of the greatest evils ever devised.  They suck more profit 
out of the system than virtually any other entity, fortunately they are 
very nearly extinct.  (Long live robotics.)
tim


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'Cuz no one's mentioned it yet:

I had a really good time at Vivisection in Utica (20 mi north of
Detroit) last Saturday.  This was a first for the area -- an
all-live electronic event.  The highlight (for me) was
Ectomorph, going completely off with swinging electro grooves.

What was cool was that it seemed to me that even the oft-derided
"instaravers" seemed to sense that there was something special
about an all-live techno event.  There were two girls (they
couldn't have been more than 16) standing behind me, and one said
to the other "This is different, but it's still cool, seeing how
this stuff is actually made."

Image is toaster leavin's.

    -d.w.



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for those who know...

saturday evening...13 January

nick nice vs. synergy

10pm-2:30am - matisse 1806 e. north avenue - milwaukee
$3 - 21 and up

underground house music...



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i need the email addy for massive mag and/or the dudes who run the shipin and
orders for em.  thanx. 
4love,
ink.

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  I definitely have to agree that this was onre of the best Chicago parties
I've been to for a while. Lots of fun and lots of great people. I didn't have a
flyer, but I think the trance dj was drew young. Awesome set by delta 9, too. I
stayed until 7:30 and it still wasn't over. Is anyone gonna check out the
pepcid thing(I lost my flyer for it) or Source? Let me know or something. 
                                        hannah:)

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aight all you kool madcity ravahs.  if yer plannin on goin to bodyrock this
friday in madison, then there will be a net meet we will try to make work
this time.  the plan goes like this...

> meet at    2am   at a smart bar or booth area
()(if there is no smart bar or booths, then....)()
         >try meeting at 2am at the door where you came in to da     partay.

there. confusing enuf?  hope not.  to make it easier to find each other
besure to look around and act like a pathetic lost puppy, then im sure we'll
be able to notice that we're waitin for some  netters and finally get to
meet.  aight?  kool.       i really want to get to meet you guys this time.
 i have met cuervo and kc one time, but my state of mind didnt let that time
count. so, i promise to converse and learn.  maybe we could hook up after and
hit a late nite coffee shop or somethin.  nevahmond, im blabberin now. 
4love4dafam,
ink.

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Utopia <utopia@iglou.com> said...
> 
> Unions are one of the greatest evils ever devised.  They suck more profit 
> out of the system than virtually any other entity, fortunately they are 
> very nearly extinct.  (Long live robotics.)

You might say this now (with obvious ignorance of past labour issues) but
wait a few years when the job you have today gets unregulated to the point
of slavery.  It's inevitable.  

Looking back on my work history I wish there would have been a field service 
tech. union around 1985-6.  it would have kept me working in that field and
would have made a drastic difference in my life.  But I had no choice but to
deal with market-driven forces and bite the bullet.  If there would have
been the tiniest amount of organization, even locally (Milwaukee), then maybe
some headway could have been made that would have kept wages higher and
stopped that area of hi-tech labour become part of the ever-spiraling-down
wages we see today.




- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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ae890@detroit.freenet.org (Ian Malbon) said...
> 
> our illustrious "data mentor" stevenj said:

Oh my.  Interesting moniker.

> I would posit that we *do* have much of a "nation" left.  It depends
> on whether your "nation" is founded on principle as opposed to dogma.

We've gone beyond principle and sunken to a state of rhetoric.  Typical
conversations of socio-political content end up sinking to, "So, you're 
a conservative since you believe (x)."  Or, "So, you're a liberal because
you believe (y)."  It seems to me a lot of people missed the boat when they
studied world history and politics.  The US sits just right of center on
the world political spectrum.  And if you think this fact is irrelavent,
wait and see how this fact affects our lives as more and more of our lives
are governed by the world market and simple rampant comsumerism and
everything that goes along with it.  Oh wait.  We already are.  ;-)

> No to be too libertarian here, but the reason the US "works" is that 
> its founding principles allow for the creation and vitality of things
> like the internet.  These exercises in personal freedom serve to 
> undermine any attempts (government/media/industry) to overtly control
> the course of the nation.  Think of it this way--we (netters, ravers, etc.)
> are antibodies riding the organism "Uncle Sam".  When the nasty viruses
> of "programming" invade, we'll be there to knock 'em down.

The question then begged is this:  what are you willing to do to 'knock 'em
down?'

> I don't think we disagree at all, except on the definition of "nation".
> The whole friggin world is going tribal.  I think the U.S. has some
> good source code in place to be able to handle the future.

I guess that is what I was trying to say.  But I disagree with the good 
source code analogy.  If you count racism and greed as part and parcel of
good source code then we seriously disagree.

> Now if only we can figure out this over-consumption thingy...

I don't think this is possible within our current political paradigm.



- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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> Unions are one of the greatest evils ever devised.  They suck more
> profit out of the system than virtually any other entity,
> fortunately they are very nearly extinct.  (Long live robotics.)

I hope that's sarcastic... :?  Or are you a business major @ some 
neat middle/upper class college?

Unions are often the only voice that the blue collar working world 
has in protecting some very basic rights.  They maintain wages, 
insure benefits and often intervene in very uncomfortable 
employer/employee relationships.  Unions are responsible for raising 
health and safety standards in the workplace and making sure joe blow 
doesn't get exploited.

Do you think if Mexico and other poor countries had unions protecting 
their working classes, that corporations would be so quick to jump 
the border for the almost criminally cheap labor and lack of working 
standards that drive the operating margin even lower?

Money is a fucking sick thing.  How often we can look over people and 
their humanness just to line our pockets with a few more sheets...

:/

earache

Professor Earache
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 the next U.P.S. jam will be
      
      3 . 09 . 96

 they will be celebrating thier anniversary
 so you know its gonna be phat


call them at 216-258-1037

-- 

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Finding myself stuck rather unexpectadly in the lovely twin cities for a
few days (families r highly over-rated) and will definitely hit Spark if
I'm still around, but MEANWHILE...can any local listers recommend some good
muzik stores in the area?-Must..Buy..REKKIDS!!-Anything w/ decent (read:
any) import selection or cd stock would b fabulous.
wish i wuz here for longer, i'd love to check out the scene..don't s'pose
there are any hot thursday weeklies??

:)Rene
Inpatient#24092
BelleView GabbaHaus






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>>Just a thought. Maybe in the near future we'll occupy high-rises instead
>>of warehouses for parties.

Already happening in Manhatten and L.A.(top floor-smog level) ...echhh.
is there no one left to save us from ourselves?

When living in NY, friends + i had reoccuring fantasies of kidnapping the E
or C train (longest running subway lines),stripping/prepping them and
throwing some truely Underground micro-raves while in transit.

Not really following this sociopolysophical thread, just thought i'd throw
it in.

:)Rene
Inpatient #24092,
BelleView GabbaHaus





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Okay, I hadn't intended to take up anymore bandwidth with this crap, but
there's much activity on the list about it and stuff is flowing nonstop
into my e-mailbox about it, so... I feel obliged to say more.  My original
post was relevant to raves, but the conversation has steered away from it,
so I both apologize to you and the list-keepers for posting something not
relevant to raves and encourage you to skip this message if you're not
interested.

1st off, for those who wrote me personally, thanx for the e-mail.  In both
e-mail and on the list, I am glad to see both agreement and disagreement...
this mailing list is incredibly diverse, and that's great to see!  Treasure
this diversity!  Some of the disagreement is in the form of flame, though,
and has really *viciously* raped me of some energy... there's no reason for
that, but I guess that's the nature of the 'net, eh?  <sigh>  Where did I
state that I am perfect or that my viewpoints absolutely must be shared by
everyone else?  Sheesh.  Was just sharing my opinions... we all have
different opinions, different outlooks, and that's as it should be.  I
certainly would not deny that to anybody.

 :) "Opinions are like assholes... everyone has 'em and they all stink!" :)

2nd, I know my message was all happy and joyful and la la la... I did not
mean to ignore the flip side of the coin, but I was tired of seeing SO many
posts dealing with that flip side so I was attempting to create a balance
by focusing on joy for a change.  Everything was sounding so hopeless, so I
wanted to toss a little hope into the game.  I was hoping to maybe cause
people to feel a little more empowered, like they can actually *do*
something about the state of things, instead of feeling like a victim.  Of
course there are two sides of the coin, there's no denying that.  And we
can't simply ignore the dark side or visualize that it doesn't exist and
have it go away... I did not mean to imply that.

I see a lot of disagreement, mostly quite intelligent, about the "we create
our reality" and "visualization" things I said.  I would have gone into
more detail if there was not the bandwidth thing to consider, but I
certainly did not mean to imply that we create *every single* aspect of
reality... hell no.  I did not mean to imply that simply by visualizing
something, it comes to pass.  If that were so, we would be god.  (I mean, I
do believe we are, but not in that sense.)  If one is locked in a jail
cell, one cannot visualize oneself onto a tropical island paradise, ain't
no two ways about that.  And it's not okay to say "Well, it's acceptable in
my reality to punch someone in the face, or to go tell that cop to fuck
off."  Earth is a common playground for all of us while we learn our
lessons, and as such, there are certain physical truths that are standard
to all of us, in order for us to have a common ground on which to
communicate, and these physical things cannot instantly be changed through
thought power.  And of course we should be respectful of others who are on
the playground.

But we do have to DREAM, we do have to IMAGINE, if we want to create change.
It has to start somewhere!  If you can't even visualize it in your own
mind, then don't expect it to happen.

The iron bars on the jail cell are iron bars to everybody.  Consider this,
though.  The person inside the jail cell looks at the iron bars as a curse.
The prison guard looks at the bars as a blessing, holding in the "filthy
criminal".  A chemist looks at the bars and understands the chemistry
involved in the physical makeup of the bar.  A metaphysician looks at the
iron as a precious element, a part of Earth, and might even be able to
telepathically talk to an elemental spirit by tuning-in to the bars.  And a
dog looks at the bars, lifts its leg, and takes a piss on 'em.  :>  Of
course, the elemental spirit does not exist by the standards of the
prisoner, guard, or chemist -- they would probably consider the
metaphysician crazy -- and likewise, depending on the level of their book
knowledge, those chemical bonds forming the bar might not exist to the
guard or the prisoner.  (Certainly not to da pooch!)  :)  They all perceive
entirely different realities, even though they're looking at the same iron
bars, and they all have the ability to adjust the way they perceive things.
(Except for perhaps da pooch... good doggie <pat pat>.)

>if not neo-pavlonianism, what method do
>*you* propose for the education of youngsters?  what do you prpopose as a
>viable alternative to public schooling through grade 12?

I don't profess to have all the answers, but I do know what doesn't work...
Earth humans are not meant to be trained like dogs.  I don't think our
educational system can change without other aspects of our "system"
changing.  There's an old saying... "Teach a man to fish, and feed him for
a lifetime."  Right now, the students are not taught how to fish.  They are
taught that they need to go through years and years of formalized training
so that they can work their asses off and compete just so they can
*purchase* fish from the store to put on the table.  They are completely
dependent... not independent.  How about teaching them to fish for
themselves, instead?  (This is all metaphorically speaking, of course.)

How many classes in grade school really encourage creativity versus
conformity?  How many kids are taught *happiness skills* early on in life?
How many kids do you know who are encouraged to follow their hearts versus
complying to everyone else's expectations?  How many students are taught
effective ways of managing the unneccessary stress that is caused by our
educational system?  How many students do you know who truly develop a love
of learning?  Or an ability to *teach themselves*?  No, ya just get thrown
into the machine in kindergarten, filled with information that somebody
else has deemed appropriate for you to learn, and spat out 13 years later,
without much consideration for one's individual talents and tastes.  I, for
one, certainly do not blame people for breaking down and wanting to drop
out towards the end.  Not that I think dropping out is the best thing in
the world to do, nor do I encourage it, but I'll say this much... I admire
their courage, which many of you don't see as courage.  It takes guts to
butt heads with the system.

Imagine if everybody was able to focus on what they enjoy on a day-to-day
basis instead of beating themselves to death just to put food on the table.
Of course, if we had any concept of being able to live off the land
anymore instead of being sold everything, putting food on the table
wouldn't be a problem.  It's not like we don't have the means and the
technology to grow our own.  ("What was that, grow our own _what_?")  ;>
But what do we know about having a working relationship with Earth anymore?
Nada.  And this *definitely* shows.

For the sake of argument, let's say that what the planets are indicating is
correct, what the elders from all over the world have been saying for
generations is correct, the Mayan calendar is correct, the predictions are
correct... let's say all this stuff that's pointing towards drastic change
on Earth in the near future is correct... and things get really shaken up
on the planet to a point where the entire societal structure collapses.
(Do you think it'll never happen?  You might wanna think again!  Even
scientifically speaking, it's inevitable, due to population growth,
pollution, etc.)  At this point, if/when it collapses, what does being able
to analyze Shakespeare mean?  What does complex mathematics mean?  What
does all the biased history you were taught mean?  Jack shit.  And if you
can't go to the supermarket to buy that fish like you've been doing all
your life, you're gonna need to know *how* to fish... but you didn't learn
that in school, they only taught you how to work to *buy* fish.  On the
other hand, no matter what changes might occur over linear time, what do
communication skills mean?  What do happiness skills mean?  What does
creativity mean?  What does being able to follow one's heart mean?  What
does being able to fish mean?  Everything in the world!

       Am I the only one who has this sense of, "Hey, wait,
       what if I don't want to play this game anymore?"
       It's a very valid question, one that more and more
       people are beginning to ask...

>i know too many  high-school dropouts who are destined to work at
>fast-food restaurants until they do something with their brains.

And I know people who are almost penniless, work shit jobs, but are
completely happy and live fulfilling lives.  How do you suppose they do
that?  Outlook, perception of reality, perhaps?

As far as "drugs" being okay, I'm sure this has been covered enough times
on mw-raves... I didn't want to bring this into the conversation.  I
thought I did say *certain* drugs, not all drugs.  It is terrible that any
15 year old would drop out of high school so s/he can lose her/his
virginity to an AIDS-infected promoter and get hooked on crystal meth.  No,
it is not an inherently good thing to be addicted to heroin, meth, cocaine,
or PCP, and I am saddened to hear about ODs.  I never meant to imply that
all this stuff is good.  I'm gonna go way, way out on a limb here, though,
and say that there are certain lessons people came to Earth to learn, and
not all of them are pretty.  (No, you don't haveta agree, I'm sure many of
you won't.)

Someone mentioned my needing professional help if I live in peace & love 24
hours a day.  I say this completely light-heartedly -- thanx for the laugh.
:)  I understand the point being made, and I'm thankful for the...
concern?  Don't mistake what I am saying... I didn't say it was okay to
pretend the dark side of the coin doesn't exist... but it's possible to
deal with the dark side in a peaceful, loving manner, yes?  Angst certainly
has its place in some people's lives, I would not deny anybody that.  It is
definitely healthy for some, and it played an important part in my life at
one time.  Don't mind me, though, my head is in the clouds... and I'm
enjoying it up here... oh look, there's the sun... there's Luna... there's
Sirius B <waving to my brothers and sisters>... there's the Pleiades... la
la la...

*Still* of the ***OPINION*** that we all have a right to live in bliss, no
matter how hard you try ta convince me otherwise,
And still LOVING each and every one of you, even the flamethrowers,
-Randy  :)                              (got any marshmallows for me?)

osiris7@cris.com
======= ======= =======
"It doesn't hurt to be optimistic.
 You can always cry later."
  --Lucimar Santos de Lima
======= ======= =======



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On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:

> Utopia <utopia@iglou.com> said...
> > 
> > Unions are one of the greatest evils ever devised.  They suck more profit 
> > out of the system than virtually any other entity, fortunately they are 
> > very nearly extinct.  (Long live robotics.)
> 
> You might say this now (with obvious ignorance of past labour issues) but
> wait a few years when the job you have today gets unregulated to the point
> of slavery.  It's inevitable.  
Actually, I am extremely well versed in history, both generally and 
in regards to business.  That's exactly why I said what I did.  Anyone 
with marketable skills need not worry.  Unions are ecomonic cesspools, 
draining valuable resources from r&d and other important areas.  Once 
all manufacturing jobs are eliminated, shipping becomes totally 
automated, and other menial jobs teched out of existance, greater 
resources will be available for research and "big" projects such as the 
colonization of the solar system.



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Ok, this should be my last response to this thread

On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, 
Professor Earache wrote:

> > Unions are one of the greatest evils ever devised.  They suck more
> > profit out of the system than virtually any other entity,
> > fortunately they are very nearly extinct.  (Long live robotics.)
> 
> I hope that's sarcastic... :?  Or are you a business major @ some 
> neat middle/upper class college?
Nope, not sarcastic.  FYI, I am a genetics/biochemistry kinda guy, with a 
healthy dose of engineering thrown in the mix.

> > Unions are often the only 
voice that the blue collar working 
world > has in protecting some very basic rights.  They maintain wages, 
> insure benefits and often intervene in very uncomfortable 
> employer/employee relationships.  Unions are responsible for raising 
> health and safety standards in the workplace and making sure joe blow 
> doesn't get exploited.
> 
> Do you think if Mexico and other poor countries had unions protecting 
> their working classes, that corporations would be so quick to jump 
> the border for the almost criminally cheap labor and lack of working 
> standards that drive the operating margin even lower?
> 
> Money is a fucking sick thing.  How often we can look over people and 
> their humanness just to line our pockets with a few more sheets...
> 
Money is merely information used to shuffle resources.  Money has no 
intrinsic ethical value.

I could go into a long winded discussion about this thread, but it would 
be wasting bandwidth on mw-raves if anyone wants to continue the 
discussion e-mail me privately.  For everyone else, here is a quick summary.
Libertarianism+natural selection+Enlightened Self-interest (research the 
term before you jump to the wrong conclusion.  Hint, for an enjoyable 
intro to these subjects read RA Heinlein and EE Smith.)

tim


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> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:14:01 -0500 (EST)
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> Subject: HOUSE PARTY in LEXINGTON--January 13th!!!!!
> 
> 
>                          House Party!!!
> 
> 
>                             with
> 
> 
>                         Dave Hollands
>                           and Local DJs
> 
> 
>                         January 13, 1996
> 
>                               at
> 
> 
>                           Club Heresy
>                                 in Downtown Lexington
> 
> 

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Hi, I'm not sure if I let y'all know
about the interview with ASCII productions
that I put online monday.

It's at http://www.fuc.com - my little
online cyber - techno - technology culture
zine thingy...

BTW - ASCII productions did the elemental
party in December. They're like, all cyber
and stuff.

haythanks

mike



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Utopia wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:
> 
> > Utopia <utopia@iglou.com> said...
> > >
> > > Unions are one of the greatest evils ever devised.  They suck more profit
> > > out of the system than virtually any other entity, fortunately they are
> > > very nearly extinct.  (Long live robotics.)
> >
> > You might say this now (with obvious ignorance of past labour issues) but
> > wait a few years when the job you have today gets unregulated to the point
> > of slavery.  It's inevitable.
> Actually, I am extremely well versed in history, both generally and
> in regards to business.  That's exactly why I said what I did.  Anyone
> with marketable skills need not worry.  Unions are ecomonic cesspools,
> draining valuable resources from r&d and other important areas.  Once
> all manufacturing jobs are eliminated, shipping becomes totally
> automated, and other menial jobs teched out of existance, greater
> resources will be available for research and "big" projects such as the
> colonization of the solar system.

I agree with your point on an idealistic level, however there are
already many "resources" (which I took to mean man power) available that
are not being used by the manufacture or shipping industries.
Regardless of the masses of unemployed in third world countries, our
country alone has numerous unemployed individuals who wish to work.
However to employ them in any situation aside from menial jobs (i.e.
service, manufacture, shipping, etc.) would require an extensive
reformation in the educational system of our country.  This includes not
only schools and traditional eduacational institutions, but also forms
of media that many people use for informational input and example of
proper logical thought.  These include, but are not restricted to, TV,
Movies, popular books, periodicals, etc.  I am not calling for
censorship or anything that ridiculous, but simply a general sense of
responsibility on the part of those involved in these mediums.  I
recently watched a public TV broadcast of an environmentally based
educational show, can't remember the name, but I was amazed at how
entertaining and educational it actually was.  I know this sounds
cheesy, but even though the actuall content of the show was elementary
(basic eco-systems, functions of rivers in the environment) I was able
to be entertained not only by the fact that it was fucking hilarious,
but by the basic logical systems form of thinking involoved.  This is
the first time I have witnessed an educational program for young
children that explained the nessecity to observe the cause-and-effect
relationships in our world.  It is only through this type of
entertainment (and it certainly was) that we can reform the general
population's attitude towards the nessecity for education and therefore
remove the need for "menial" jobs.

	Damn, I sure blabber alot when something interests me, if you got this
far, thanx for putting up with me.

					Jay Busch
					jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

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Sorry, this is related to anything important; but i found it amusing and 
mayhaps helpful in those cookie-jonesing moments. =)
mint

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 11:37:30 -0500
From: brett a strassner <bastra1@mik.uky.edu>
To: meheme00@mik.uky.edu
Subject: The great cookie caper

>>
>>This message is sent to you with the hope you will forward it to
>>EVERYONE you have ever even seen the email address of.  In the
>>spirit of the originator, p lease feel free to post it anywhere and
>>everywhere.
>>
>>Okay, everyone. . . . a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of A.
>>Thought y'all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet
>>justice, if it can be called that.
>>
>>My daughter and I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in
>>Dallas & decided to have a small dessert.  Because our family are
>>such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie."  It
>>was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and
>>they said with a small frown, "I'm afraid not."  "Well," I said, "would
>>you let me buy the recipe?"  With a cute smile, she said, "Yes."  I
>>asked how much and she responded, "two-fifty."  I said with approval,
>>"just add it to my tab."
>>
>>Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus
>>and it was $285.00.  I looked again and I remembered I had only
>>spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf.  As I glanced
>>at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe  -  $250.00"
>>Boy was I upset!!  I called Neiman's Accounting Dept. and told them
>>the waitress said it was "two-fifty," and I did not realize she meant
>>$250.00 for a cookie recipe.  I asked them to take back the recipe and
>>reduce my bill and they said that they were sorry, but because all the
>>recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could duplicate any
>>of our bakery recipes . . . the bill would stand.
>>
>>I waited, thinking of how I could get even or event ry and get any of
>>my money back.  I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and
>>now I am going to have $250.00 worth of fun."  I told her that I was
>>going to see to it that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie
>>recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing."  She replied, "I wish you
>>wouldn't do this."  I said, "I'm sorry but this is the only way I feel I
>>could get even," and I will.
>>
>>So here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few copies.
>> I paid for it; now you can have it for free.
>>
>>(recipe may be halved):
>>
>>2 cups butter                                   1 tsp. salt
>>4 cups flour                                     1 8 oz. Hershey bar (grated)
>>2 tsp. soda                                      4 eggs
>>2 cups sugar                                   2 tsp. baking powder
>>5 cups oatmeal                               3 cups chopped nuts (your
>>choice)
>>24 oz. chocolate chips                    2 tsp. vanilla
>>2 cups brown sugar
>>
>>Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.  Cream the
>>butter and both sugars.  Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour,
>>oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda.  Add chocolate chips,
>>Hershey bar and nuts.  Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a
>>cookie sheet.  Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees.  Makes 112
>>cookies.
>>
>>Have fun!  This is not a joke--this is a true story.  That's it.  Please,
>>pass it along to everyone you know, single people, mailing list, etc..
>>
>>Well, there you go.  People and business...what have I gotten myself
>>into?
>>
>>Thanks for your call last night.  It was nice to talk to someone who
>>truly understands me and shares some of my ideas.  I am really glad I
>>know you.  Talk to you later.
>>
>>Carla




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> There will be three rooms @ spark, two with sound system and one 
> without.  net.headZ in attendance, we should hook up in the third 
> chill area later in the evening.  I dunno what time is good, but 2am 
> sounds fair :)
> 

actually...
there may be a small system
in that room too ;}
it kinda depends
but at any rate...it will be chill
i wouldn't mind meeting beforehand too
that's usually interesting

and to avoid trouble with the raver X meets raver Y stuff
that seems to annoy on occasion ;}
does anyone here have a copy of 
sm:)e's new? release "southern fried house"?
has it actually been released yet
or is it forthcoming?
i really want...no NEED it
for trippin on sunshine if nuttin else
and also my copy of magic carpet ride
got stolen a while back ;P

     
        **hugs**

     <<^GUiDO^^>>>>>
  wate0044@maroon.tc.umn.edu...........8}



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will it ever stop?

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It had been a while since I had been at a rave (a little over 
three years), but Closer was a welcome return!  I will definitely be 
at Spark & would be interested in meeting up with people as well.  I 
think the idea of meeting around 2am would work well... I realize 
that describing oneself can be a bit vague, but in the small chance 
that you do recognize this description:  5'6", red braided hair 
(short on the sides), Green coat, and black pants... that would be 
me.  

- Xavier

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From: gruoli@bethel.edu (rocketboy)
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a time to meet would be enterraining,  i suppose ill be there (if someone
will tell me where i am to be)

                                Ro(ke+bOy

            eye  AM  eh
tea oh double you  tea are you see kay
                NO!
   why oh you ' are  eh  see eh are.



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Subject: Dank Techno Gear 4 SAle!
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I have the following gear 4 sale
All dank and very good for house or it's derivatives

Roland R8 with 808 card - $450
Roland 202 - $450
2 Roland Juno 60's - $350 each
Kawai MX8r Keyboard Mixer 2 fx sends / channel. I midi in, 3 outs 8
channels - $225
MXR 2/3 Octave 2 channel EQ - $125
Roland MKS 10 Planet P analogue Piano Module $125 w/midi
Roland MSQ-100  (Syncs roland din snyc to midi) ie you can sync the 202 or
a 303, 606, etc. with your midi gear!

As with previous gear, I have sold, this will go very fast, so those who reply
the quickest with offers to buy will get the dank gear!

I take offers, and have references available.

Thanks to those who bought gear last night!

I was able to sell the following within 2 hours last night!
Juno 6
Tam500 Analogue Drum Brain
Sequential DrumTraks
Esq-1

Thanks!

and happing noise makeing! :)

plur tony / groove apostle


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 10 17:40:42 1996
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does anyone remember mindance (terry mullan,  circut breaker)
a friend of mine just brought back some pretty phat memories
was anyone there?



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help,,  my ride this saturday just dropped me into a transportationless
existance...  i need a ride for two from the rosedale/arden hills area to
the mnpls rave SPARK this saturday.  we can pay gas money and are toatally
cool with any situation presented with us

help me obiwankenobi youre my only hope..


rocketboy (612) 638-6878  (voicemail #1)  or write me at gruoli@bethel.edu



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 10 19:28:35 1996
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Forwarded message:
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:25:29 -0500
> From: macqueen@pilot.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen)
> Subject: (313) vivisection - review
> 
> >Detroit's first all live electronic, performance experience.01.06.96-
> >Artists:
> >AcidPimp-Cheshire.detroit..AlecEmpire-d.h.r.berlin..Andrew.satamile,n.y..
> >Ectomorph.i.d.t.detroit..Huren-probe.toronto..Khan.forceinc/temple.ny..
> >RookeVallard.plug research.sf..    810-414-5270...thrown by girls
> 
>         I wanted to take a few minutes to say that I had a fun time at this
> gig.  (Went with Kim G, Ian M, Linda S, met up w/ Dave W and  Erika S.)
> 
>         I respect techno artists who play live.  It takes courage to do it
> all in the face of inevitable technical failures, patches and sequences
> lost, it's like the gods of entropy can have their way with you.  Somehow
> in all of that chaos of intellibeams piercing your skull and annoying fog
> so think you can't see your own chase lights, you have to get people to
> groove.   It was last Saturday night at 4 Bears Waterpark (yes, the kind
> with watersildes, all covered in snow) in Utica.  Despite my skepticism the
> venue was great, still had a raw look inside the big room.  Room was prob.
> just the right size, not a huge space, but kept the dancefloor area looking
> packed, just right.
> 
>         Christ, they had enough PA equipment, stacks, amps, etc. to rock
> Joe Louis arena.  Prob. too much sound actually, but better too much than
> not enough.  Got there about 12:30.  I don't who was playing live, sounded
> like raw as hell Disposable Heroes or Meat Beat style gristle/overdriven
> industrial-techno. I wasn't really into it.  Maybe went on for an hour?
> 
>         Then the Acid Pimp (Tom Newman, I believe?  Check out his stuff on
> Cheshire records) went at it with 909+303 acid music for about an hour,
> with some very nice bottom end and I think some 808 in there as well. 
> Booming and pumping 909 centered dance music, but to tell you the truth it
> just went on for too long.  For that basic structural style, about 30 or 40
> minutes of top-quality would have been just right.  But as things went on I
> became bored with that same combo.  Not enough variety (not just in the
> sounds, of course, but the style and programming) just didn't keep me
> excited.  If you've ever been to a Plastikman live PA, for comparison
> (however unfair), Hawtin uses extremely minimal synth gear but huge variety
> of sound, tempo, mood, texture, etc.  He can really carve out mind-bending
> structures and I really like the variety in his live sets, despite the
> minimal gear combo.  
> 
>         Next was Ectomorph, two analogue tweakers who totally funked it up.
>  Yes they *can* do it all live, and then some.  You people in Europe need
> to hit your fax machines and do some booking.  I perfered the live versions
> of the familiar tracks to the ones pressed on the wax!  Tracks that I knew
> only as locked grooves arose from their familiar form and took uncharted
> liquid shapes, only to transform and mutate into a vaguely familiar and
> utterly funky electro groove.  I was popping and locking like a fool and
> the place was definitely into the lower BPM groove.  It was the perfect
> length (45 minutes or so?) which allowed them to end at peak performance. 
> Much variety in tracks, and (I think?) even a new cut in there as well. 
> Complete with megaphone words into a mic for ghetto vocoder effect. They
> even did some improvisational freeform playing of spooky melodies for a
> generally an electro-rockin good time.  This PA was the reason I went and
> it was well worth it.
> 
>         Let's see, the next live set was Khan from Force Inc.  Raw slamming
> hard dance techno, opening with the Bizz O.D. cut "I'm coming out of your
> speakers" and he blasted his voice saying just that into a microphone while
> he was hitting the switches.  Plenty of distortion and the some DBX-style
> frequency up/down slams, and the compressed-to-a-scream drum sounds.  He
> was jumping all over the place and lead an impressive PA, plenty meaty and
> hard 4/4 frenzy.
> 
>         During that time we took off, but there were a few more live acts
> after that.  What was the Plug Research set like?  But all in all thanks to
> whoever threw this gig, it was a good time.  Live techno did a serious hit
> and run on the D, and I hope the idea of all-live parties continues.
> 
>         Peace,
> 
> _______________________________________________________________
>  Matt MacQueen                                     Fear no art.
>  macqueen@pilot.msu.edu
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 10 19:48:43 1996
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Howdy rave comerades...

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 10 20:02:12 1996
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Aaron, Somehow, I sent you a reply and it returned Host Unknow.

I deleted the original message so I don't have your email addy.

I still have the 202! and am willing to talk business, so email me!

peace

tony

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Subject: cops, high schools, deja vu, a cool book
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all this discussion ~ cops, reminded me i was in smithville, ohio, 
(it's a village i think, not even a town) 2 see my stepbrother's
basketball game...there were these cops in the lobby & they were
totally staring at me & especially these phat pants. ravers must look
to people like this like something from outer space. it was kinda funny
+ weird at the same time.

(side note) Deja Vu Time: i was walking thru the crowded lobby & just
after i went past some high school kids 1 said in sort of my direction
"are u a boy or a girl?" (presumably because i'm a girl who has short 
hair & baggy clothes & they--obviously having never left the shelter 
of the idyllic village of smithville--had never seen some1 at all 
different from themselves) but they hadn't tried 2 get my attention or
say "hey u in the big pants!" i didn't turn around or anything...
anyway, what was so weird was that the exact same thing happened 2 me 
constantly in high school (in wooster, ohio, another small town), but 
nothing like that had happened once in the almost 3 yrs since then. 
so this makes me wonder: where do those sorts of immature people end
up after high school & what's so different about all the high school
students i kno now, who are normal? sorry about all this
rambling/babbling/whatever, i always have 2 tell someone ~ deja vu,
since it's just kinda strange i guess.
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and HERE is another Recommended Book:

Cyberia: Life in the Trenches of Hyperspace, by Douglas Rushkoff

it has a sort of rave-chapter, plus some stuff on computers & on
drugs. it says some things--all positive--~ DMT. i'm trying 2 find
some more objective info. has anyone tried it? is it a particularly
dangerous drug? what are its side effects? is it addictive? what's it
like 2 be on it? thanx for any replies.
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 10 21:34:15 1996
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> Unions are one of the greatest evils ever devised.  They suck more profit 
> out of the system than virtually any other entity, fortunately they are 
> very nearly extinct.  (Long live robotics.)
> tim

Some are wasteful, however they make long strides in preventing compaines 
from screwing over their workers, which will happen as long as permitted 
in the search for higher proft margins and increased international 
competition. as to robotics... this poses a MAJOR question in my mind: 
somewhere down the line, production will be able to be completely 
mechanical, humans wont need to do much work and be in perfect comfort 
and luxury. THUS... using the same argument as against socialism, people 
need to have something to work for for the system to work... if they dont 
have to do anything, cuz machines do all the work in the world... what do 
they work for? it wouldn't work... i haven't thought this one out yet.

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 10 21:57:06 1996
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On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Utopia wrote:

> Actually, I am extremely well versed in history, both generally and 
> in regards to business.  That's exactly why I said what I did.  Anyone 
> with marketable skills need not worry.  Unions are ecomonic cesspools, 
> draining valuable resources from r&d and other important areas.  Once 
> all manufacturing jobs are eliminated, shipping becomes totally 
> automated, and other menial jobs teched out of existance, greater 
> resources will be available for research and "big" projects such as the 
> colonization of the solar system.

Quite an interesting point, but wouldn't you agree that the common man 
must be protected from being "teched" out of existence? I agree that soon 
MANY MANY things will be automated... But we ahve to make sure that 
instead of simple being out of a job, the common joe is provided for. 
Perhaps a huge exansion of the r&d field or something. But you can't just 
gloss over the average citizen. What will the economy look like, and how 
will it run? And what do we all have to work for, besides advanced 
technology and greater comforts? Where is it going? Psychological and 
economic questions need to be addressed.

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At 01:14 PM 1/10/96 -0500, matthew emery hemenway <meheme00@mik.uky.edu> wrote:
>
>Sorry, this is related to anything important; but i found it amusing and 
>mayhaps helpful in those cookie-jonesing moments. =)

alt.urban.folklore, or a similiar sounding usenet group, is chock full of
stuff like this.  I think this is the 30th time I've seen this cookie
recipie over the last 6 years.  It's up there with viruses by email and
"good luck" charms.

A woman at work recently made a batch of these.  Eh, I think my mom's
chocolate chip cookies are better.

:)


OnNow: Hardkiss's _Delusions of Grandeur_ 2cd


Andrew
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   Andrew Bennett
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I've recently moved back to Chicago and am new to the rave scene.  Everytime
I mention Chicago, people roll their eyes and groan.  What's the deal?  Why
is the scene in such disarray?  if any of you Chi-Towners want an extra body
to go to some of the area partys, drop me a line- I'm into it for #1 the
music, #2 the spirit, and #3 the people.  Is'nt that what it's all about?
We are all here to experiance music at it's highest form, meet new people,
and have a shitload of fun, at least that's why I'm here.<-----HI ON


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ok I've been thinking of having a little pre-gathering for this party,
probably at my place around 7 or 8 on Friday night before the party.
however, this isn't definite so if you're interested *please* e-mail me and
let me know as soon as possible.  I wanna make sure some people are actually
gonna show up before I commit myself to anything.  if it happens I promise
it will be fun.  we won't just sit around wonder what we should do with
ourselves. :)

I guess I'll just ask flat out, are there any other people on this list from
Madison besides Ink, Cuervo, Jovian, and myself?

grrrrr...

-kc


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This is gonna be a good weekend...

**********************************************************

FRIDAY MARCH 1 1996

WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE

Brought to you by Flipside

GREG EVERSOL (Denver)
ERIC HAUPT (Detroit)
REESE (New York) (remember what this guy did at Frost?)
KEE (Nomad)
DZAK (Milwaukee)

608.283.3116
**********************************************************

About this time last year, and unidentified flying object landed near Madison...

It will land again.

SATURDAY MARCH 2 1996

SCOTT HENRY (Baltimore)
DORAN (sp?) (L.A.)
ERIC DAVENPORT (L.A.)
MINDDRIVE and EFEX on FOUR TURNTABLES
PETERBILT

...MORE T.B.A..

-kc


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In a message dated 96-01-08, someone speaks up about education:

>i know what you mean and we must educate the ignorant
>if we see someone doing something ignorant (wrong if you will) correct 
>them on the matter
>
right on, and isn't this what the cops think they're doin for us?

peace,
darrik



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In a message dated 96-01-08 20:18:42 EST, you write:

>>Life isn't peace, love, and exstacy.
>
>Whoa, slow down, friend!  Life is what you make of it!  I live in peace,
>love, and ecstacy every single day, and I know plenty of other people who
>do.  It's a personal choice.  It's an outlook and a way of life.  There is
>rarely a moment in my day-to-day life when I am not filled with peace and
>love!  For me, life certainly IS peace, love, and ecstacy... and it can be
>for you, too! 

just send $12.95 and a SASE to the Peace, Love, and Ecstacy Foundation.

peace,
darrik

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In a message dated 96-01-09, ecthros declares:

>> you!  Sure, life on Earth might not be the prettiest of pictures right
now,
>> but if we are content to think "realistically" and think there is no
>> funshine, then how are we *ever* going to create it?  How??  If someone
>> says, "Get a life, your head is in the clouds with all this funshine shit,
>
>but what if they're right?  what if you *are* living with your head in 
>the clouds, and not to much of what you dream for actually comes to 
>pass?  you must admit that anything can be taken too far... there's a 
>difference between having dreams and having nothing else.
>

if reality is as you say, how you perceive it, then if you perceive nothing
but peace, love, and ecstacy, then that is your reality, and fuck anyone who
tries to ruin that by waving their version in front of your dreaming eyes.
 maybe it's not practical, but lately my dreams have been more interesting
and less stressful than anything *real*.

>> it's not REAListic to think like that," never mind them... that person is
>> imposing her/his reality onto yours and getting in the way of your right
to
>> create funshine.  "REALity is merely a mathematical anomaly worth nothing
>> more than a footnote in a quantum physics book."  Let's play a neat new

>tell me that again next time you get mugged.

it's not about getting mugged, in my opinion, it's about how you deal with
getting mugged.  two things could happen  1) you could live in fear of
getting mugged again for the rest of your life   or  2) you could learn from
the experience, exercise more caution from that point on, smile and continue.

these are opinions and not facts  -- you may disagree (but you will be
punished)
peace,
darrik

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In a message dated 96-01-09, someone (hopefully jokingly) said:

> Unions are one of the greatest evils ever devised.  They suck more
> profit out of the system than virtually any other entity,
> fortunately they are very nearly extinct.  (Long live robotics.)

hold up a second, g.  i work in a factory and the union (while i have had my
disagreements with them) is the only thing that keeps me from getting fired
because my pants are too big or my hair is blue.  i don't think unions are
all good, and maybe the bad points _might_  even outweigh the good, but
regardless, unions are why i still have a job (which pays for my school  --
also thanks to unions =).

peace,
darrik


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>> because these boundaries exist, however, doesn't mean we should paint such
>> a gloomy picture for ourselves... the universe rearranges itself to
>> accomodate *your* picture of "reality"!
>
>this, however, i must take issue with.  the universe, however optimistic 
>we may be, does *not* re-arrange itself as is convenient for you.  or at 
>least, i have not experienced it to work as such.  if my picture of 
>reality is that the sky is orange, will the universe re-arrange itself to 
>accomodatye my "reality"?  nuh-uh.  if my picture of reality is that i 
>can walk up to a random stranger, hit him in the face, and walk away 
>unscathed, will the universe rearrange itself to accomodate my reality?  
>hell no.
>

i think i'll have to throw my money in with Osiris on this one.  yeah, the
physical universe _may_ not rearrange itself to your every desire (i'll
refrain from posting my personal opinion on that one for fear of being
hospitalized), but the emotional, interactive, interpersonal universe DOES.
 for instance, when you talk to someone (say a stranger), how you THINK they
will react usually shows in your mannerisms even if it isn't concious, and
ultimately effects how they WILL react.  therefore merely thinking someone
will react a certain way goes a long way to seeing that they do.  in this
respect, the universe accomodates your desire.  when a party gets busted and
every ravah in da house is muttering *fuckin pig* under their breath, every
cop who picks up that vibe will suddenly become a *fuckin pig*.  hey,
wouldn't you?  but when a cop picks up a vibe of understanding that they are
just doing their jobs (yeah, i know, lame excuse) maybe they might even feel
a little remorse at having to do that, and maybe, just maybe, they won't try
so hard to bust a party next time.

i don't know, or maybe not, just my interpretation...

peace,
darrik

'the only limits are those we create'


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Two girlies from uptown mpls. are also looking for a ride to SPARK.  
We'll chip in for gas and provide great company.  

Call me @ 331-2109 or e-mail. 


Thanks!
Su :)

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     Geez, if I had a larger car, I would give you all a ride!  I'll see 
     what I can work out though.
     
     Yours,
     Chris


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Two girlies from uptown mpls. are also looking for a ride to SPARK.  
We'll chip in for gas and provide great company.  
     
Call me @ 331-2109 or e-mail. 
     
     
Thanks!
Su :)

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C. Jason Clark
_/›__/›__/›__/
/  ›/  ›/  ›/

Don't read this if you don't like long, boring rants on peace and
love...

When the aspect of Rave first introduced itself into my life, I thought,
"WOW, this is where I want to be!" I was on a quest (although I probably
didn't know it then) for a more spiritually fufilling life, a more open
minded and free way to live, and a way to escape the boredom of all the
other "scenes" that I had been involved with. RAVE was the door to
transendence for me, with it's tribal, pagan, free-spirited,
do-whatever- the-hell-you-want-as long-as-it-doesn't-hurt-anyone-else
atmosphere. I was where I wanted to be, and I loved it. I could go to a
party where I didn't know anyone, plant myself in front of the speakers,
and 8 or 10 hours later, come out with at least 2 or 3 new friends.
Raving was perfect back then...

Then one day, after a while of going to parties, and having fun, I
realized that I wasn't getting the same spiritual "this is how we're
gonna change the world" feeling. I felt trapped in a web of rules and
jargon that have somehow changed what the raving experience was
_supposed_ to be. I assumed that this feeling was outside of myself and
these _rules_ were imposed by some overpowering "rave" deity. I still
get these feelings every once in a while, but I have come to realize
that all the things that we are disillusioned with drugs, fashion,
attitudes, insta-ravers, and everything else that discourages us from
that beautiful oneness of all, save the earth/ourselves, let's make a
difference feeling is coming from our collective unconscious.

My theory is this:

When we first start going to parties/raves, they are so totally outside
the spectrum of what we know and are used to, that all outside
conditioning, for a short period of time, is pushed aside in favor of
the spiritually uplifting experience.

(Remember walking in to that old warehouse, not being able to see shit,
except for those weird lights...not being able to hear shit except for
that BOOM...BOOM...BOOM? Pure Bliss :)

This feeling continues for a period of time, until our previous social
patterns and learned behaviors begin to seep into what used to be
outside the spectrum of these learned patterns of behavior. Our need to
be accepted into the social context, our need to have a voice, etc.,
etc. come into the picture. Sometimes, we substitute drugs to give a
sense of that feeling we once got, but almost anyone who's been through
it can tell you that drugs are _not_ the only way to achieve this state.
I'm all for expanding consciousness through psychedelics and such, but
to me they are only to be signposts on the way to true bliss and
expanded awareness of the big picture. (we can't do LSD and ecstacy
every day)

So, we've got all these rules and mores that have been introduced into
our culture from our previous conditionings. These conditionings have
come from centuries of people living with a sense of reality that is
very narrow. It comes from our parents, who got it from their parents,
who got it from their parents, etc. It comes from church, government,
school, and all the other entities that exist to limit our sense of what
is real. I'm not saying "smash the state" or anything like that, I'm
just proposing that maybe alot of the behaviors and beliefs that we hold
are behaviors and beliefs that need to be trancended before we can again
achieve that level of bliss that we had once. The only way to solve our
problems are to recognize them for what they are...and assume that there
is a deeper cause for everything.

This post was inspired by the book I have been reading, "Prometheus
Rising" by Robert Anton Wilson, and by the negativity that this list has
seen in recent weeks. I feel that any time we have a problem with
something, or are mad at a situation, we need to look no further than
inside ourselves and figure out where that anger is coming from. Just
getting mad at our friends that do meth alot will not solve the problem.
They are still our family...we are all in this together. Recognition of
the overall problems is necessary to solving what is plaguing our
culture... And we can make a difference... And we CAN achieve that level
of bliss and vibe that has been missing lately. We can do it with or
without drugs... We can do it with or without fashion... We can't do it
with bad attitudes. Once we realize all this, we will be able to start
choosing our realities with more of a sense of whatever it is we're
doing.

Will anyone be going to Fathom II this weekend? I'm gonna try to make
it... Hope I see some of you there!!! Love is the Key!!!

"how can we _do_ good, if we don't _feel_ good?"
peace...

j-Sun

     "He who passes not his days in the realm
      of dreams is the slave of the days."
            Kahlil Gibran

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Does anyone have the info on a party in Chicago this sat called source 
with Armani, Pointdexter, and hyperactive? I'm going to be in chicago 
this weekend and wanted to a party if there was one....anyways info would 
be nice...


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SOURCE

ROBERT ARMANI
STEVE POINDEXTER
HYPERACTIVE
K-ALEXI
FRANKIE VEGA
DANNY THE WILDCHILD
LEGO
JAZZ WHEELER
DR GROO
HAP-E-VIBE
DJ DAMIEN
MADDGROOVE
HUGO MOYA

Main Info:  Powerforce  312-409-7335


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 Incredibeets and Mushgroove present...

            P  E  P  C  I  D       A   C    Acid Controller...

                 Friday January 12, 1996   Chicago

               * A New Year, A New Day, A New Live PA *

                    T  I  M     T  A  Y  L  O  R
                          (Germany)

    The premier of the Acid Picasso from Germany, known for his brilliant work
released under the names Planet of the Drums and The Pump Panel.  As a
Producer, he has released work with such artists as Dan Zamioni, Damon Wild,
and Freddy Fresh.  Delivering a live performance, Tim is guaranteed to touch
many with his unique approach to Hard Acid and the array of tasteful sounds he
conquers.

          MADDGROOVE      PAUL JOHNSON      JETHRO X AND JEDIDIAH     
                         
                  TERRY MULLAN        PHANTOM 45

        Main info:   312-509-6869    This event will not exceed 8 bucks!
             Admission discount with a canned food donation...


    

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MARCH 16.............PEDAL TO THE METAL............414-256-1733

MAY 24-27.............FURTHURMORE..................414-256-1733



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does anyone know the price and main line of source that is this saturday in
chicago

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Saturday, February 17th                                Chicago

                     Mushgroove/Incredibeets presents...

               S T R E N G T H   B E Y O N D   S T R E N G T H

       ...the 1st Midwestern Industrial Strength Record Label Party...

                       *  L E N N Y   D E E *     

      * D A M O N   W I L D *           * D E L T A   9 *

                        * D. O. A. (Live) *

                           and more tba

                      3 1 2   5 0 9   6 8 6 9



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terry mullan is spinning tonite (thursday) at Shelter in chicago.

shelter is a 21+ nightclub

mike
http://www.fuc.com


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terry mullan is spinning tonite (thursday) at Shelter in chicago.

shelter is a 21+ nightclub

mike
http://www.fuc.com


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On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, I wrote:

 
> there is going to be a party in windsor, ontario this coming saturday.  djs 
> include dbx, mike huckaby, ken collier, and d. wynn.  i have no idea what 
> the info line is (i left it at home, as soon as i can i'll post it), but 
> it is located at either 945 or 965 walker road in windsor.



that info line is (519) 259-4332



 aaron bennett
 western michigan university-kalamazoo
 99benne4@lab.cc.wmich.edu
 
 halfway between detroit and chicago....
 

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Primover1@aol.com said:-

>does anyone know the price and main line of source that is >this saturday in
>chicago


I haven't seen it posted up, so here:-


Saturday, January 13, 1996


S O U R C E


>>>>>ROBERT ARMANI<<<<<

>>>>>STEVE POINDEXTER<<<<<

>>>>>HYPERACTIVE<<<<<

>>>>>K-ALEXI<<<<<

Frankie Vega                  Danny the Wildchild
Lego                               Jazz Wheeler
Dr Groo                          Hap-E-Vibes
DJ Damien                      Maddgroove
Hugo Moya


Main Info:-

Power Force  312.409.7335




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 I'm not sure, but I thijnk It will cost around $15. It's supposed to be at
Route 66 skating rink, but I heard Pepcid is too. What an interesting
weekend....
                                       hasnnah(sorry, I can't even spell my
name)                              hannah:)

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 Does everyone want to have a meet at source? I do want to meet some of you netters sometime.
                                          hannah:)

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all youz goin to bodyrock or lookin for somethin to do in madison friday,  go
there.  ***608.282.0745<---call MOFOCO fri for info on direx***
and there is a net meet goin on too.  so...
> meet at    2am   at a smart bar or booth area
()(if there is no smart bar or booths, then....)()
         >try meeting at 2am at the door where you came in to da     partay.

so i hope to see ya there...
ink.

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Forwarded message:
From tricia@cyborganic.com  Thu Jan 11 17:27:06 1996
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:19:42 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Fwd: Phil Zimmermann

cool.


>------------------------------
>
>From: Philip Zimmermann <prz@acm.org>
>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 03:35:46 -0700 (MST)
>Subject: Zimmermann case is dropped.
>
>- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>My lead defense lawyer, Phil Dubois, received a fax this morning from
>the Assistant US Attorney in Northern District of California, William
>Keane.  The letter informed us that I "will not be prosecuted in connection
>with the posting to USENET in June 1991 of the encryption program
>Pretty Good Privacy.  The investigation is closed."
>
>This brings to a close a criminal investigation that has spanned the
>last three years.  I'd like to thank all the people who helped us in
>this case, especially all the donors to my legal defense fund.  Apparently,
>the money was well-spent.  And I'd like to thank my very capable defense
>team:  Phil Dubois, Ken Bass, Eben Moglen, Curt Karnow, Tom Nolan, and Bob
>Corn-Revere.  Most of the time they spent on the case was pro-bono.  I'd
>also like to thank Joe Burton, counsel for the co-defendant.
>
>There are many others I can thank, but I don't have the presence of mind
>to list them all here at this moment.  The medium of email cannot express
>how I feel about this turn of events.
>
>
>  -Philip Zimmermann
>   11 Jan 96
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--
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_________________________________________________________________
Jamie Lawrence                                <foodie@netcom.com>


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Scott Davidson <sdavid3@icarus.cc.uic.edu> said...
> 
> Ha! socialist "reconstruction" of society doesn't work. People have to 
> have something to work for, socialism doesn't cut it... As Russia and 
> China found out. A higher minimum wage and stronger unions are a couple 
> of steps to take if you think workers are getting screwed... not socialism!

I'll bet you're alomost 'there' and you don't even know it.  Define
socialism, if you please.  I'm curious as to what your perception is 
regarding how it is constructed and what it is for.



- stevenJ
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Utopia <utopia@iglou.com> said...
> Actually, I am extremely well versed in history, both generally and 
> in regards to business.  That's exactly why I said what I did.  Anyone 
> with marketable skills need not worry.  Unions are ecomonic cesspools, 
> draining valuable resources from r&d and other important areas.  Once 
> all manufacturing jobs are eliminated, shipping becomes totally 
> automated, and other menial jobs teched out of existance, greater 
> resources will be available for research and "big" projects such as the 
> colonization of the solar system.

So what does the rest of working-class  America do after this wonderful 
technological revolution, work as slave labour on the space colonies?
Your take on labour and politics re: economics leaves a pretty dark stain
of naivete in my mouth.

How do the majority of people get tech-trained jobs?  They can't their
rudimentary education in the public schools.  No one is even that 
certain what a rudimentary education *is* anymore, let alone how jobs
will be found for the uneducated in the near future.

How are unions economic cesspools?  from my experience, they have kept
human beings from being totally exploited and co-opted in the workplace,
whether it is an office or a factory.  If you think all factory/mfg.
labour will eventually disappear, you're probably not too far off the 
mark.  The big question is this:  what sort of work will the rest of humanity
in the western world, be doing?



- stevenJ
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stevenj@hyperreal.com

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Scott Davidson <sdavid3@icarus.cc.uic.edu> said...
[...]
> Perhaps a huge exansion of the r&d field or something. But you can't just 
> gloss over the average citizen. What will the economy look like, and how 
> will it run? And what do we all have to work for, besides advanced 
> technology and greater comforts? Where is it going? Psychological and 
> economic questions need to be addressed.

And these are being addressed.  The trouble is the mindset of the people
addressing said problems and issues.  Take a look at the Utah/Montana/Idaho
contingent, politically.  They are making great strides in 'dealing with'
these issues, but at what cost to humanity and simply human rights?



- stevenJ
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April 13th                                                  Central Wi.

                    Reflexion and MJ-12 present...

     A  W  A  K  E  N  E  D      I  N  T  E  L  L  I  G  E  N  C  E

                   ...Live Performance by...

     M A R K   V E R B O S     and    D R E W   Y O U N G
     (Milwaukee...Symbiotic           (Chicago...Quagmire, 
    Embryo, Quagmire, Analog)               Drop Bass)

                       and much more tba...

                     4 1 4 - 9 8 5 - 3 1 1 7



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Subject: socialism and such
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> Unions are one of the greatest evils ever devised.  They suck more profit 
> out of the system than virtually any other entity, fortunately they are 
> very nearly extinct.  (Long live robotics.)
> tim

i am assuming that before making such a statement you have, at least, 
read "the grapes of wrath" by john steinbeck.  if you haven't, you 
should.  for that matter, i think everybody should.

OBRave: anybdy else out there make their own ,usioc with things like 
fasttracker?  i do, and i'd love to exchange sounds/songs/remix for/by 
anybody else out there who's interested.  just finished new song last 
night called "mr. slick", planning on making a whole ep out of it with 
remixes like "mrs. slick", "jr. slick", etc.  wnybody with fasttracker or 
any tracker at all capable of dealing with .xm format mods wanna help?

-b. echthros

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> > I don't think we disagree at all, except on the definition of "nation".
> > The whole friggin world is going tribal.  I think the U.S. has some
> > good source code in place to be able to handle the future.
> 
> I guess that is what I was trying to say.  But I disagree with the good 
> source code analogy.  If you count racism and greed as part and parcel of
> good source code then we seriously disagree.
> 

not to mention cans of worms like dominance/submission, not in the sexual 
sense, but in the aspect that it gives rise to many of the social ills of 
the world like racism, greed, fear, war, religion, and the nasty things you 
get with those in combination (racism+war=genocide, 
religion+war=inquisitions, religion+fear+racism=KKK, etc)

it's all dominance, folks, wearing oh so many masks...

-b. echthros

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Here is the complete line-up for march 9th in louisville.  It was posted 
last week but somehow was left out of the last two calenders.  

Steven J please add this the next edition of the calender.




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Subject: Vortex 3-9-96 Louisville

Here is the complete Line-up for march 9th

EVOLUTION presents

VORTEX
march 9th, 1996

DJS

Lenny Dee    industrial strength
Carlos       sf
Ian Mariano  Church, cleveland
subgenius    Cincy  G-fli

Performing live hard trance

THEORY COLLAPSE    columbus

Sound by MAXXIMUM
lights by EYEGASM
Utopia

Both Lenny and Carlos will be spinning Extended sets.

tickets will be $10 adv/ $12 at the door



tim
evolutionary net boy


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>  I'm not sure, but I thijnk It will cost around $15. It's supposed to be at
> Route 66 skating rink, but I heard Pepcid is too. What an interesting
> weekend....

Pepcid Acid Controller will not be at Route 66...

stop by and say hi...i'll be the blondie working the sugar daddy table.  
we're the ones with the usual tapes, candy, drinks, and glowsticks.

later,
acetate


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	Ok...I love to have a net meet..for some reason, almost every 
net-meet i go to, i'm usually the only one standing there. I guess 
sometime we get caught up in the music, happens to me quite a bit actually.
When and where?....
Love peace and an apple pie (yum),
Sai*

On Thu, 11 Jan 1996 HANNAHRM@cedar.goshen.edu wrote:

>  Does everyone want to have a meet at source? I do want to meet some of you netters sometime.
>                                           hannah:)
> 

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Hi mike, I was thinking about checking out the Chicago Club Scene
either Friday or Saturday night.

Do you have any recomendations of clubs or any other groovy haps?

Thanks!

tony

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i'm back! went to the new years party in Minneapolis (st. paul), 
it was kewl, ready to do the Chicago thing again though!  some 
organized person *please* post specifics on netmeet for source, i 
wanna meet all y'all i haven't met.  byebye and luv+
                                              tripkid

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  Ok, since the parties gonna ba at route 66, if thesnack bar rroom thing is
open, I guess we can meet there at 2:00. Anyone else have any ideas? (please
excuse all the errors, it's getting kinda late)
                                                hannah:)

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will an orgin eyes d pur son who nose what is going on or sum thing orgin
eyes sum thing.  this wood bee good/  ok buy

                                        tanks...
                                                ro(k
                                                  i+
                                                boy



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Never been to route 66. Anyways, hope to see everyone there...maybe i'll 
get to meet at least one of you people :)
laters,
Sai*	

On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 HANNAHRM@cedar.goshen.edu wrote:

>   Ok, since the parties gonna ba at route 66, if thesnack bar rroom thing is
> open, I guess we can meet there at 2:00. Anyone else have any ideas? (please
> excuse all the errors, it's getting kinda late)
>                                                 hannah:)
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan 12 10:01:02 1996
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> will an orgin eyes d pur son who nose what is going on or sum thing orgin
> eyes sum thing.  this wood bee good/  ok buy
> 

ok...
i guess that'll be me ;}
i think jon's original idea of 2am
in the chill room is a fine idea
the only problem is defining "chill room"
there are actually 4 rooms in the space
a main room and 3 smaller kinda rooms
so since there is gonna be a second room
that leaves 2 possibilities for the "chill room"
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say 
that it is the room that is not occupied by the second system
and is not the room you walk through 
right when you get there
but...
as i am writing this...it all seems kinda vague
so how 'bout cliche
and 2am by the smartbar...wherever that shall lie
so here i am
pounding this out in stone
***2AM...SMARTBAR***
if that area is too loud
we all have legs ;}

one other thing
how 'bout if i give ya all some "special" net-rave id sticker
i'll be sellin tickets
so when you see me
(i'm easy to pick out...i'm the doofy one 
with 2 braids slightly resembling horns or antennae ;}
say:
 "hi steve/guido/dork i am ____ and i am on mw-raves...gimmie my sticker
so i can be easily identified"
or something similar

and finally
if anyone got this far
how 'bout that FURTHURMORE
ooo....just thinking about it makes me tingle ;}
i live for FURTHUR's

        **hugs**

     <<^GUiDO^^>>>>>
  wate0044@maroon.tc.umn.edu..........8}




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On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:

> I'll bet you're alomost 'there' and you don't even know it.  Define
> socialism, if you please.  I'm curious as to what your perception is 
> regarding how it is constructed and what it is for.

Pure socialism, in my opinion, is where there are NO private companies, 
all producing organizations are gov't owned and operated. The gov't 
assesses each person in society and attempts to match their job with 
their skills and interests.  Thus, there is little or no class 
differences, and instead of working to "become wealthy" or move to a 
better area, people work to the advancement of the society in general. 
This is too vague of a goal and people don't see concrete results of 
their actions quick enough, so some slack off. There is little reward for 
efficiency, so waste is rampant.  Of course, completely pure capitalism 
has its drawbacks also. The best is a mix, leaning towards capitalism, 
with justa  few things socialized, like perhaps health care and public 
transportationn partly gov't funded, that kind of thing. I say health 
care cuz the business side of health care has been rearing its ugly head 
big time lately...

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On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:

> Scott Davidson <sdavid3@icarus.cc.uic.edu> said...
> > will it run? And what do we all have to work for, besides advanced 
> > technology and greater comforts? Where is it going? Psychological and 
> > economic questions need to be addressed.

Steven Jambaya White replied:
> And these are being addressed.  The trouble is the mindset of the people
> addressing said problems and issues.  Take a look at the Utah/Montana/Idaho
> contingent, politically.  They are making great strides in 'dealing with'
> these issues, but at what cost to humanity and simply human rights?

I am not too familiar with Idaho and Utah, but I assume you mean the 
separitists? They are simply fed up with inefficiency. As to these 
questions being addressed, please... If you mean the "kill 'em all" 
answer, that won't work. Human rights won't ever come up. The VAST VAST 
VAST majority of people here are working class. If intelligentsia wants 
to war with them, it'll be a short war and the working class will win. I 
mean addressed correctly, restructuring the country's economy and work force.

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Catalyst & ATP Bring Ya:
 
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Terry Mullan-Chicago
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while I can echthroes point that your attitude towards things goes far in 
changing what they truly are (people will likely react how you expect them
to) .  I think that it is not so much that we are causing reality to change
because of how we think of it but that we are messing with our own heads in
a way and altering what our brains think we see because of out expectations.
FOr the example that when you're talking to someone and you expect them to 
react to you a certain way they will pick up on that and react that way
because of your expectations, I think that it is far more likely that you
condition your mind to reject those reactions that don't agree with your
expectations of the situation. That is how stereotypes are maintained, by 
people conditioning their minds to reject anything that they don't already
agree with. How we influence the world within is far more important and 
stronger than how we influence the world without in my opinion.

				drown

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> On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, John Drefahl wrote:
> 
> > >
> > 
> > When I was making the point about the drugs and highschool drop outs.  The
> > message I was trying to convey was even though it may not be the majority of
> > the rave scene, it is the most disturbing.  This means that this is the
> > negetive aspect of our scene that will be used against us and shooved in the
> > spotlight.
> > 
> > Johnsin
> > massive mag
> > 
> > 
> I've been reading this 'image' thread since it began, and I have a 
question about the 'types' of ravers there are in the scene.  Who are the 
majority, who are in the minority, and what do these ppl do for a 
living? 

 NetRavers are a very different sub-community of the scene.  Most 
ppl have access to the computer; implying that many of them are 
educated.  NetRavers are also socially and politically aware, and enjoy 
debating about the existing ideologies.  From going to raves, I see that 
the actual event is much different from e-mail conversations.
So, I'm curious what perceptions the rest of you have about the types of 
ravers there are.  Can we even come up with an archetype - past and present?

Suzanne

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i just called the info number and some mumbling dude sed something about
"body rock has been  blah mmmmmblah>"   did he say it was cancelled?   god i
hope not.  grrrr/     reply quickly for the real scoop.  please let me know
whats happening with tonite!!
ink.

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BODYROCK HAS BEEN CANCELLED.  REALLY FOR SURE.
SORRY.  I FEEL BAD TOO
>>>ink.

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Does anyone know directions to Smooth tonight in Detriot?  I know it's 
supposed to be in Hamtramack, but nothing more....

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yeah just to confirm, it's cancelled. last minute problem kinda thing.

there go my plans for tonight. :)

-kc


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sdavid3@icarus.cc.uic.edu said:-

>The best is a mix, leaning towards capitalism, 
>with justa  few things socialized, like perhaps health care >and public 
>transportationn partly gov't funded, that kind of thing. I say >health 
>care cuz the business side of health care has been rearing its >ugly head 
>big time lately...

This, my friend, is socialism in it's most defined sense.  Governments led by
France's Socialist Party, England's Labor, and Israel's Labor have done the
sort of "limited-reach" projects you're talking about, without massive
government takeovers of private industry & commerce...  Did it work?  Who
knows... but i know one thing--in France, every new mother, regardless of
income, is allowed time at home to take care of her newborn--as compared to
the US, where we had to fight tooth and nail to jam a Family Leave Act down
the Republican Party's throat...  The French Government did research
and--suprise!--children tend to be better off when mom hangs out for the
first few months...  This was a program undertaken by a Socialist
government... what you seem to be referring to is Marxism & Communism...  I
know, it's pretty anal, but semantics matter when you slam something like
that...




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Sorry, to waste bandwith etc...

Poppy I lost your e-mail address along w/ you r last message sorry,
could you give it to me again?

tad

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>On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:
>
>> I'll bet you're alomost 'there' and you don't even know it.  Define
>> socialism, if you please.  I'm curious as to what your perception is
>> regarding how it is constructed and what it is for.
>
>Pure socialism, in my opinion, is where there are NO private companies,
>all producing organizations are gov't owned and operated. The gov't
>assesses each person in society and attempts to match their job with
>their skills and interests.  Thus, there is little or no class
>differences, and instead of working to "become wealthy" or move to a
>better area, people work to the advancement of the society in general.
>This is too vague of a goal and people don't see concrete results of
>their actions quick enough, so some slack off. There is little reward for
>efficiency, so waste is rampant.  Of course, completely pure capitalism
>has its drawbacks also. The best is a mix, leaning towards capitalism,
>with justa  few things socialized, like perhaps health care and public
>transportationn partly gov't funded, that kind of thing. I say health
>care cuz the business side of health care has been rearing its ugly head
>big time lately...

this sounds jsut like socialism,  in which your identity and choice is
taken away, just like communism.  but there is a difference between
socialism and comunism.  once upon a dark age communism and socialism were
thought of as the same thing,  but this is not so today.   socialism is
defined, today after what many call the revisionist movement (occuring
i860-1890),  who believed that a revolution could come about with out
violence,  rather politcal revolution coul occur merely with the support of
the middle class.   this would eliminate the need for violence,  replacing
it with a class war/  shit happens.  communism is what you have described
above, with the addition of a central huge and 'rule with an iron fist'
military.    communism is defined partly in the beliefs and philosophies of
karl marx and friedrich engels, which call for the elimination of any and
all individual profit and any and all traces of capitalism,  by any means
possible... even violence/
this is the only difference between socialism and communism,  but i think
it is enough of a difference to make socialism a resonable choice for a
gov.   a socialist gov,  does not make you stay in the country if you do
not like the way it is run,  you can move in and out of the country freely,
as opposed to communism in which the gov keeps you there,  grounded for
eternity.  i know many people in in europe who are as content or moreso
with socialism than i am with capitalism.  i think every system has its
setbacks.  i still believe thatcapitalism is still the way to go,  but
socialism is not the satanic beast that some see it to be.




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could someone tell me how to unsub?
i forgot how to do it....

thanx....matt

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a small house party in rolla tomorrow (sunday)

djs pj, xjn, + more

its at 808, email me if you need directions

bring your records if you wanna spin

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Hey all...

Some of us kids here and Star will be setting up equipment and what not in
my dorm tonight for a little pahteh.  If you guys are interested in coming
by drop me email or call me and I'll call you back with directions.  We'll
probably get started around 10pm or so. Dont expect lights and shit or what
not.  It's just a small little get together with some good music. :)  so if
you wanna come on by..let me know. :)

--Lucy


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we tried to go to pepcid ac last night in chicago but when we called 
the infoline at about three it was sold out and the direx were even 
taken off the infoline.  so i assume it was full and fun....anyone 
with a review?  please?

--star*


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> 
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> 
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> 
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Theoretically there exists a perfect possibility of happiness: To believe in the indestructible element in onself and not strive after it. --Kafka

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whoops.  forgot to add my number.

708.332.9363.



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Well, for starters it wasn't 8 bucks and then a discount with a can like the
flyer said, it was 10 which put me off a little. The space was nice and small
but there were a lot of people and it got really crowded. I just wasn't too
pleased with the party. Jedidiah and Terry Mullan were sweet and I cut out 
pretty early so i couldn't say anything about the later DJ's, Tim Taylor was
all right too. I really just didn't like the vibe there, it seemed to me that
everybody rarely got INTO the music and just spent most of the time standing
around talking instead. I didn't think the lighting was that hot either, 
there'd be these flood-light type lights that would blind us and then we'd be
plunged back into darkness with only some skimpy lasers. The party just didn't
suit my tastes.
	I'd be interested though to hear what anybody else thought of it. 
Maybe I just wasn't into it. I hope that Source goes off better tonight.

				drown

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	someone asked a while ago about DMT, what it was and so on.
all i've heard about it is that it's an animal tranqulizer that's EXTREMELY
powerful. It's affects are supposed to last about half an hour during which
your supposed to have someone watching you constantly. It kind of shuts off
your brain is what i heard, that you can't move at all and that the only 
thing that you are aware of is Intense hallucinations. It's very hard to get
a hold of and is aparently pretty rare.  I also heard that when the half hour
is over you are a very changed person in reality.  I have no idea what side
effects their might be or whether there are any, also i haven't heard from
anyone who's actually done it. If anyone hears anything else about it or has
done it i'd like to hear the stories....

				drown

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>If anyone hears anything else about it or has
>done it i'd like to hear the stories....
>
>                                drown


well the only DMT story i remember is from tunnelvision.  apparently some
guy took "10 hits" (so the story goes, you know how these things can get
exaggerated) and got nekkid, proceeding to run around the party telling
everyone he was jesus...

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
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allroy sed:
==================================================================
>If anyone hears anything else about it or has
>done it i'd like to hear the stories....
>
>                                drown


well the only DMT story i remember is from tunnelvision.  apparently some
guy took "10 hits" (so the story goes, you know how these things can get
exaggerated) and got nekkid, proceeding to run around the party telling
everyone he was jesus...

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy
===================================================================

ha! ha! i wuz there too. i wuz gonna snap a pic of the naked guy,
but decided not to. funny side note, he had a coin stuck up his
butt crack. the funniest was when joe 187 had to dive on him when
he made his mad dash for the dj booth -- classic. rumor is he wuz
the same guy at the bottom of the hill playing with himself at a
previous pittsburgh party. he would've made the perfect poster
child for why you should stay away from hardcore drugs.

btw michael, picked up the pics from VIBRATION. lotsa nice panoramics
including one with me, u, & liz in the car. i'll give u a copy if i
can make it down to columbus tomorrow, no tonight for titonton's lil
b-day shindig. then perhaps i can finally interview them crazy ele
mentalheads. speakin o nekkid people, anyone catch the couple doin
it behind the left speakers @ VIBRATION? - another photo oppurtunity
i opted to pass by.

co-ed naked raves in '96 woo hoo!

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> (side note) Deja Vu Time: i was walking thru the crowded lobby & just
> after i went past some high school kids 1 said in sort of my direction
> "are u a boy or a girl?" (presumably because i'm a girl who has short 
> hair & baggy clothes & they--obviously having never left the shelter 

I know EXACTLY what you mean.  I not only have short hair and wear baggy 
clothes, but I've played soccer for 16 years and have a very athletic 
build.  Short (5'2" on a good day) but athletic.  I am reminded of a time 
a friend and I were walking in the mall (ugh!) Christmas shopping.  I was 
out of town (Colombus, Ohio...I'm from Ann Arbor, Michigan) and a HUGE 
group of people asked "are you gay?".  Wait...not just asked, but 
shouted.  I was with a female friend, but we weren't doing anything in 
particular to elicit such a responce.  I dunno...ignorance I guess.  
On the days when I wear normal jeans, this never happens even when I have 
a huge shirt on.  Except maybe with a baseball cap on.  But....who 
knows...

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well let me sy that was where its at....  where it was and where its going.
im happy.  ru?
                peace to all who were there.

                                ro(ke+boY



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tonight, it's in columbus, it's free...

featuring claude young from detroit
live performance by powerhouse
dj sets by titonton, placebo, & rage

directions (from all directions):
get to columbus (geez, look at a map), once close to downtown stay on 
I-71 and get off at the BROAD ST exit.  take a LEFT, then go down a few 
lights, look for GRANT ST, take a RIGHT.  one block up and it's right 
there...only building at the corner of GAY & GRANT st...in the bassment :)

see ya dere...

if lost call 614 470 0929
++
e d

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	For some good information on DMT, which is a tryptamine as far as I can remember and not an animal tranquilizer ( pretty sure you'
re thinking of Ketamine there), check out the drug archive at the Hyperreal site.  It's an extremely powerful drug that shouldn't be taken by someone inexperienced with psychedelics, or if they have mental problems, depression, etc, etc.  All the same 
stuff that you have to watch out for with other psychoactive drugs x 100.  
	But, the Hyperreal site has the best information on all types of substances that I've found so far.  Recommended reading for anyone who wants to be informed.

	Hope this helps!

steve  lyon

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On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Suzanne Szostak wrote:

> So, I'm curious what perceptions the rest of you have about the types of 
> ravers there are.  Can we even come up with an archetype - past and present?

Well, I have only been to 4 or 5, so I have limited experience here. But 
from what I have seen, the archetype is a white suburban kid, male or female.
They don't like the alternative, metal, or rap/dance out there, they 
discover raves, and the music does it for them. Then you get the little 
"scene" things like fat pants, adidas, etc, they like it. Just an idea...

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On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 ShivaStar6@aol.com wrote:

> This, my friend, is socialism in it's most defined sense.  Governments led by

No, that is socialism in its best sense, not most defined. 

> government... what you seem to be referring to is Marxism & Communism...  I
> know, it's pretty anal, but semantics matter when you slam something like
> that...

Communism is simply Socialism coupled with a violent ovethrown of the 
current gov't. Socialism taken to the pure extreme would be what I was 
describing. And I agree, semantics do matter. 

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> well the only DMT story i remember is from tunnelvision.  apparently some
> guy took "10 hits" (so the story goes, you know how these things can get
> exaggerated) and got nekkid, proceeding to run around the party telling
> everyone he was jesus...

hmmm i didn't know u could eat it. that book was saying people were
smoking it, & maybe u can inject it or something...
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	i hate to post such a downer but sometimes these things happen. i had
a good time at ed's party until i was getting ready to leave and discovered my
backpack was missing. if anyone finds or sees a rainbow colored kitty cat
backpack with a blue zipper and straps and a keychain that had red blinking
lights go on when you squeeze it please notify me. it contained some valuable
items and held a lot of sentimental value (i sewed it over break). if anyone
saw it or knows about its whereabouts give a shout!
thanks, 
Jenn              email: MCCONA_J@cc.denison.edu 

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I haven't attempted to track this story down to verify it, so I don't 
know if this is actually true -- but it sure is strange...

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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:06:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Papadopoulos <papadop@PEAK.ORG>
To: aal01@teleport.com
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Subject: adidas stays on track

Permission to copy this piece applied for electronically.
============================================
Straight from reuters
   Friday January 12 7:01 PM EST 
   
Adidas Spurns Request to Withdraw 'Hemp' Shoes

   
   
   WASHINGTON (Reuter) - The Adidas sports equipment company Friday
   rejected a request by the top U.S. government drug fighter to withdraw
   a line of athletic shoes called ``The Hemp,'' denying the name
   glorifies drug culture.
   
   Saying the shoe is made from hemp, Adidas rejected the contention of
   U.S. drug czar Lee Brown that the name was chosen as part of a
   ``cynical marketing game'' because ``hemp'' is street slang for
   marijuana.
   
   ``I don't believe you will encounter anyone smoking our shoes anytime
   soon,'' Adidas America President Steve Wynne wrote in reply to Brown,
   director of National Drug Control Policy, who Friday denounced ``The
   Hemp'' shoes, which are to go on sale in the next several months.
   
   ``The people at this shoe company apparently think this is cute, but
   it is really quite deadly -- especially at a time in which more and
   more of our young people do not fear illegal drugs and as a result,
   are using them,'' Brown said in a letter to Wynne.
   
   He said hemp was common slang for marijuana. ``There can be no doubt
   as to the cynical marketing game being played by selling a shoe with
   the name 'The Hemp' to capitalize on the drug culture...'' he said.
   ``I implore you to not market any shoe or garment with a name
   glorifying the drug culture.''
   
   Brown said initially he had not received a reply to his letter but
   later in the day he released another statement and Wynne's reply.
   
   Wynne said Adidas America fights drugs and ``we will continue to
   support other efforts to combat this problem.''
   
   ``I would suggest that your time, and the taxpayers money, could be
   more appropriately committed to finding a way to stem the sewer of
   illegal drugs that runs through our country ...'' Wynne wrote to
   Brown.
   
   In reply, Brown said the Adidas executive missed the point. ``What
   your shoe is made of is not the problem,'' he wrote. ``The problem is
   what you call it. The sarcasm in your letter shows a blatant disregard
   of the fact that we have a crisis among kids who think using marijuana
   is the thing to do.''
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jan 14 12:16:49 1996
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Anyone who is intrested in finding out more about DMT should read some of
Terrance Mccekena's (sp?) books. They are sort of strange but he does talk
alot about the subject. There is some intresting stuff in some of them too.
That is if you can get past his contentions that physcedellic (sp?) mushrooms
are aliens. As far as I know DMT is a naturally occuring sunstance. I belive
that it is used by some indigenious tribes in South America for religous
purposes.

Colin

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Please don't post info like this unless you know what itis your talking about
we have enough misinformation spread as it is.  If someone wants to do dmt
they should definitely do there own reasearch in a library or on the net and egtdocumented info or as close as possible   It sounds like you have dmt mixed up
with ketamine.  It is NOT an animal Tranquilizer, it is naturally found in many
plants and a few animals (including humans supposedly).  If anyone is the least
bit interested in doing it I stress go to a library and do research, do not just listen to heresay.

later,
sluckboy

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jenn sed:
================================================================= 
i hate to post such a downer but sometimes these things happen. i had
a good time at ed's party until i was getting ready to leave and discovered my
backpack was missing. if anyone finds or sees a rainbow colored kitty cat
backpack with a blue zipper and straps and a keychain that had red blinking
lights go on when you squeeze it please notify me. it contained some valuable
items and held a lot of sentimental value (i sewed it over break). if anyone
saw it or knows about its whereabouts give a shout!
thanks, 
Jenn              email: MCCONA_J@cc.denison.edu 
================================================================== 

geesh talk about deja vu. is it raver murphy's law that if ed throws
a party, some one will always leave their bag at it. welp jamie aka
troutsoup saved my day for PPV2. hopefully someone will be able to save
yours.


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On Sun, 14 Jan 1996 BOSSEN_C@CC.DENISON.EDU wrote:

> Anyone who is intrested in finding out more about DMT should read some of
> Terrance Mccekena's (sp?) books. They are sort of strange but he does talk
> alot about the subject. There is some intresting stuff in some of them too.
> That is if you can get past his contentions that physcedellic (sp?) mushrooms
> are aliens. As far as I know DMT is a naturally occuring sunstance. I belive
> that it is used by some indigenious tribes in South America for religous
> purposes.
It is also a naturally occurring brain chemical.  It is tryptamine.  You 
seem to have combined some of its properties with Ketamine.  It is use 
via smoking or ensnuffelation, snorting.  These are the only ways that it 
is active other than by injection.  RTFFDI.  cruise through hyperreal.
tim


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I thought Source was overall worth my 15$. I was dissapointed though that I
didn't find any net-ravers (I was wearing baggy army pants,had a bald
head,and a alien workshop pro-clone shirt so anyone let me know if you saw
me). Danny the wild child was amazing with his scratching techniques.
Hyperactive was very good I easpecially liked the orb fluffy white clouds
remix. But my favorite for the whole night was maddgroove I thought he had
the best taste in music. But I went down there alone for the first time just
hoping that I would see some people I knew but unluckily I didn't. Luckily
though the music made up for it . I am really interested in meeting some
other net ravers so e-mail me or post something if you want to meet up at a
chicagoland party.

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can ya say FUCK YEAH.

SPARK was one of the grooviest, funnest fucking parties i've been to for 
a long time.  Too bad too much depressing shit is happening to me now, 
cuz it was hard to let that shit go and just do it, but I had a good time 
none the less.

Most of the highlights were all doing security, frisking the cutieZ and 
hanging @ white castles with Jerrod and MoniKa at 3am.  

Good sets abounded by Paul-E-Wog, djSlip, Henry Vengeance, Phantom45 and 
Polter and MadKid.

I noticed too many drugKIDZ there tho, that was a bummer.

Any minneapolis freekz that skipped out, yo YOUR mistake!!  Going to be 
hard to touch.  Arena raves, roller rink raves, community center raves 
all pale compared to the gritty small overheated warehouse parties that 
are all blackness and good.  Bring more of these parties on!!

Nice to see Clinton, Dylan, Dustin and all my old crew out on the 
shittiest night of my life!!

Seeyaz!

earache

PS.  Any email correspondence is going to be tricky for me for a week or 
so, so if you write me, be patient.

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I think I know the guy you were talking about.  Because we were camping next
to them at Family Affair.  The story got a little mixed up.  Because, he
took 10 hits of acid I believe and had some "not-so-potent" dmt sprayed pot.

DMT, is a drug that incapcitates you for a period of 15 minutes and only
lasts 20 minutes.  So don't get them (ACID and DMT) confused.

Johnsin



At 02:14 AM 1/14/96 -0500, michael mccusty wrote:
>>If anyone hears anything else about it or has
>>done it i'd like to hear the stories....
>>
>>                                drown
>
>
>well the only DMT story i remember is from tunnelvision.  apparently some
>guy took "10 hits" (so the story goes, you know how these things can get
>exaggerated) and got nekkid, proceeding to run around the party telling
>everyone he was jesus...
>
>love, luck, and lollipops,
>michael
>allroy
>
>**************************************************************************
>"where's that voice coming from?
> from.....from *nowhere*??!?"
>**************************************************************************
>
>
>
>


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> FRIDAY MARCH 1 1996
> 
> WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE
> 
> Brought to you by Flipside
> 
> GREG EVERSOL (Denver)
> ERIC HAUPT (Detroit)
> REESE (New York) (remember what this guy did at Frost?)
> KEE (Nomad)
> DZAK (Milwaukee)
> 
> 608.283.3116

I've had the extreme pleasure of dancing to an extended set of Greg
Eversoul's a few months ago in Chicago.  A kind of funky cross between
triphop and electro.  Absolutely blew me away.  As far as I know, this is
only the second full-on party he'll have played in the midwest, the other
being in Cleveland earlier in the fall.

I'm not one to hype either promoters or artists that much, but hell...
credit where I think credit is due.  Shawn and Pete of Flipside work their
asses off to put on solid events; if you're free that night I strongly
recommend you check this party out.


-- 
Craig L. Stodolenak
archon@acid.com

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>        someone asked a while ago about DMT,

Ok, it tastes like fucking gasoline.  We had to smoke
it in this little hash type inverted cup dealy.   It tasted
so incredibly bad that we decided the pain of smoking did
not balance the interesting (not pleasurable or deep) effects.
It felt like a very light trip, a bit of old acid echo and then it
was gone.    But we knew that this wasn't very good stuff,
or we weren't smoking it intensely enough.  
I have other friends who have gotten off on it quite well.

  Over and Out.

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                                    Reprogramming Our Reality Through Disco

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ok... DMT (diemethyltryptamine)  is a very powerful halucinogen, it is
usaully smoked or snorted and has an extreemly rapid onset and relatively
short duration.  In other words it can hit you in as little as 10 seconds
and be over in as few as ten minutes.  If you take too much it just makes
you into a vegitable for a while and you don't trip.  The weirdest thing
about DMT is that as far as I know, everyone who smokes/inhales it has the
same basic experience:  they halucinate little DMT creatures that exist in
a sort of synaesthetic state (meaning sound, smell, sight, taste, touch and
words are interchangeable ) and the little creatures tell them that
everything is OK and to relax.  They are reported to guide people through
the DMT experience.  It is less like a trip than a journey to another
place.  For all intensive purposes you are catatonic while under the
influence.

Users feel as if they have fallen through to another universe.  Time has
little subjective meaning, what feels like a year may have actually been a
few minutes.  DMT is schedule 1 and illegal.  It is one of those drugs that
can drive you insane if you go into the experience without the propper
mindset.  If you aren't ready for something that will change your life then
I wouldn't do it.  Most people I've talked to say that you don't find
DMT... it finds you.

There has been a lot of discussion about this drug lately and I honestly
don't think its the recreational drug everyone makes it out to be.
Anything that completely removes you from the world your accustomed to
being in can do really serious things to your mind.  Having had my brushes
with substances that can kill you or drive you insane if not used carefully
I can't express that enough.  If you're gonna do it REALLY REALLY REALLY
make sure that you know what your getting into and make sure you are ready
to do it.  DMT has been known to cause flashback experiences in dreams that
are as real as if you had just smoked it.  Your neurochemistry isn't going
to be the same ever again... If your prepared for that then... start
reading up.


                Peace LOVE Unity Respect  PLURality  --Kell

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i am VERY optimistic about what's been happening in columbus over the 
last couple months.  the scene has broken itself down, and built itself 
back up.  not without a lot of sweat and headaches, but i really thing 
people are starting to get a sense about what is possible in our little 
subculture.

i mean, to most people a party is still just a party and that "vibe" is 
still not carried out too well into the daytime world, but to feel the 
TREMENDOUS energy i felt at the two parties we threw this weekend, i am 
very optimistic that that energy can be channeled towards something 
absolutely amazing.

i'll just have to leave it at that for now...but does anyone else have any 
thoughts about their scenes?  what are we becoming and how do we get to 
the next phase if we indeed feel we must go higher?

as for us, some of you know what the answer is...more free or cheap 
events, performances, music you've never heard, visuals you've never 
seen before, and so on...

the liberation of sound continues...
++ 
e d

e l e  m e n t a l  nosey guy
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This was Anne Betts Birthday party. I really don't know how many people showed 
up but I would guestimate around 6-800 people.

The building was the Cannery which totally suck due to its shape and sucks for 
the acoustic to because of the weak wooden floor (there was more bass is the 
bassment than on the dance floor).

The DJs :
Mistic bill : he played some tracks I could not understand. Weird music.....
Feelgood : he had the crowd going....he riped it up.
Terry mullan : last dj, but finished the party in beauty
Jeff Feller : good music but a little boring
The professor : good music
Dan : good, very tracks
Darryl Lovebomd : he is getting better too.....good trancy tracks
Bao Lehuu : Same as usual, good set

Lights by Active / Atlanta : 8 trackspots 2 emulators. I have seing better 
programming....

Sound by Maxximum / Louisville : I was loud and CLEAR

Visuals by Optimistiq / Nashville :  once again Chris and Kenneth did a 
wonderfull job :), IMHO I think they are the best I have seen....JJ should 
have been there......:) (people that saw the visuals know what I am talking 
about)

It was a good party, better than usual for Nashville.

French E @ Maxximum Sound and Lights
Tel : 502.584.4387
Fax : 502.568.1943

pEace and out.

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Forwarded message:
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:22:49 -0600
> From: blitz@earth.execpc.com (bLiTz)
> Subject: Re: DMT
> 
> >        someone asked a while ago about DMT, what it was and so on.
> >all i've heard about it is that it's an animal tranqulizer that's EXTREMELY
> >powerful. It's affects are supposed to last about half an hour during which
> >your supposed to have someone watching you constantly.
> 
> no, actually DMT (dimethyltryptamine) is found naturally in nature.....it
> occurs in certain species of plants (which i can't remember off hand) in
> the amazon....mayan tribal shaman use DMT in their religious
> practices....DMT can also be synthetically reproduced.....it does only last
> about a 1/2 hour (sythetic) or the natural lasts about 5-10
> minutes......and it is considered the most powerful hallucinogen on the
> face of the earth
> 
> 
> 
> >It kind of shuts off
> >your brain is what i heard, that you can't move at all and that the only
> >thing that you are aware of is Intense hallucinations. It's very hard to get
> >a hold of and is aparently pretty rare.
> 
> actually it doesn't shut off your brain....it opens parts of it unknown to
> you....these hallucinations have been compared to crossing over to other
> dimensions (which beings that have evolved intellectually are supposed to
> be capable of doing i.e. aliens)....yes it is really rare....i have only
> seen synthetic once or twice and never have seen the naturally occuring
> substance (which is supposed to look like orange mothballs)
> 
> >I also heard that when the half hour
> >is over you are a very changed person in reality.
> 
> yes, of course, they are changed....if you got a peek on the other side,
> and by that you have found out what everything will come to when the human
> race as a whole evolves, you would be very changed also
> 
>   I have no idea what side
> >effects their might be or whether there are any, also i haven't heard from
> >anyone who's actually done it. If anyone hears anything else about it or has
> >done it i'd like to hear the stories....
> 
> 
> i have heard of no side effects.....i have had friends that have done
> it.....i do have a freind who went to the Amazon to explore the jungle and
> he did it several times, only to become a more enlightened and
> intellectually stimulating person.....as far as the synthetic, it's not
> nearly as religious of an experience as the natural, so i won't even
> include the observations of these people......hope this helped to inform
> you a little bit.....for some reading on this by an expert in the field of
> 'ethnopharmocology' with an emphasis on psilocybin mushrooms and DMT pick
> up a copy of Terrance McKenna's 'Food of the Gods' and 'The Archaic
> Revival'.... or if you don't feel like reading he has a spoken word out
> which is Spacetime Continuum & Terance McKenna "Alien Dreamtime', in this
> he vocalizes a DMT trip and everything its about and what he has
> experienced, it's really really good
> 
> **********************Tear It Down & Let The Truth Begin!!********************
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I simply *had* to share this with more people.  

___________________________________________
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> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:01:25 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: lifestyles of the wretched and webbed...
> 
> 
> try this life on for size:
> 
> Walter Miller
> http://pages.prodigy.com/Hell/walter/
> 


- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan 15 08:17:31 1996
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Back in December someone uploaded a file to the incoming directory on
hyperreal.com called kicrew.  It looks like it would be a nice pic but the file
type got mucked up at some point in the upload.  Would whomever transfered 
this file please re-upload it and let me know when it's ready and of which
type the file is?  Thanks...


- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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Does anybody have any info on why Shiver in Cedar Rapids was 
cancelled?

Chris

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Jon,

Sorry things aren't great for you right now... that makes two of us.  

My friend Mike and I are looking for a cool space with the ability to 
suspend lighting.... we have Deiselboy and Mullan right now... going to 
get more soon... any ideas?



Dustin

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On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:

> Forwarded message:
> > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:22:49 -0600
> > From: blitz@earth.execpc.com (bLiTz)
> > Subject: Re: DMT
> > 
> > occurs in certain species of plants (which i can't remember off hand) in
> > the amazon....mayan tribal shaman use DMT in their religious
> > practices....DMT can also be synthetically reproduced.....it does only last
> > about a 1/2 hour (sythetic) or the natural lasts about 5-10
> > minutes......and it is considered the most powerful hallucinogen on the
> > face of the earth
> > 
> > actually it doesn't shut off your brain....it opens parts of it unknown to
> > you....these hallucinations have been compared to crossing over to other
> > dimensions (which beings that have evolved intellectually are supposed to
> > be capable of doing i.e. aliens)....yes it is really rare....i have only
> > seen synthetic once or twice and never have seen the naturally occuring
> > substance (which is supposed to look like orange mothballs)

  > > 
> > i have heard of no side effects.....i have had friends that have done
> > it.....i do have a freind who went to the Amazon to explore the jungle and
> > he did it several times, only to become a more enlightened and
> > intellectually stimulating person.....as far as the synthetic, it's not
> > nearly as religious of an experience as the natural, so i won't even
Another Huge error here.  There is no such thing as synthetic DMT.  It is 
a natural substance.  There is Man-made DMT, which is semantically quite 
different than synthetic.  there is no difference between man-made and 
naturally occurring DMT or any other drug for that matter.  Differences in 
experiences can be attributed to two possibilities.  1 expectations of 
the user (most likely) or 2. synergistic chemicals present in the natural 
extracts which are not present in the man-made form (possible but not 
likely as researchers probably would have found these by now.)  And yes I 
know a negative proof doesn't prove anything but it does weight the 
probabilities.

tim


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Well..the weekend started off at 8am with a trek to the Maxximum house to 
meet up with French-e.

Jumped up into the nice big 24 foot truck with tigger riding bitch and 
french-e driving.  Had a nice little drive tormenting tigger every chance 
french-e and I got.  Arrived in Nash-vegas and commenced to setting up 
the Sound system.

The party:
---------
It was probably one of the best Nashville parties I have been to in a 
long time.  The vibe was kicking and everybody was all smiles( substance 
and no substances). I saw many people that I haven't seen in a long, long 
time.

DJ's:
------
Daryll Lovebomb: an up and coming newbie..Good laid back house with very 
good mixing...look for this kid to be big in the future..not to mention 
he's got my vote for wearing the crazist hats...

Bao: brought in some nice orlando/miami bass house...sorta tracky but 
very funky ...def. got the crowd moving..

Professor: Chuck spun a really tight set however I think his set at IO2 
was the best I've ever heard him spin.

Jef Feller: possibly the nicest guy I have ever met..If anyone that 
doesn't know him ever gets the chance to meet him, you will come away 
smiling..his set rocked...good happy house to make even the weary happy.

Mystic Bill: spun some weird trancy stuff...sorta like calling the aliens 
to come down....dunno...sort of made me sleepy..

FEELGOOD:  OH MY GOD!!!!!!  started the beginning of his set off with a 
kick and didn't stop making me move until 90 minutes later..He definitly 
IMHO lives up to what his name stands for....CHARLES IS AWESOME!!!!!!

Dan:  was sort of disappointe...after hearing him at Satori I was ready 
to be elevated to the next level..his set was really tracky...oh 
well..maybe next time..

Terry Mullan:  He is the man...played pretty much happy house...threw in 
a couple good hard acid house tracks...sounded like terry from 2 years 
ago...made me move non-stop until the party was over...


Lights:
=======
Active Lighting did the lights....a relatively new company...they need a 
really good programmer and more lights...did well with what they had 
though...also some of the most nicest guys you will meet/work with.

Sound:
=======

Weelll, without being biased I will just say that we thumped the F**K out 
of Nashville and can't wait until we go back there with MORE sound and do 
it again.



The only thing I didn't like at this party was the damn security 
people...They were such assholes to the majority of the people...I wish 
Anne would get different security...She needs to...wishful 
thinkin...Attendance was good at about 800 people....Just right for the 
space...plenty of room to dance....)

Just my .02 worth....


Tiggah<tiggah@iglou.com>


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Hmmm, 
I'm really interested to go to this party.  I'm from Colorado, but its been
awhile since i've heard anything from eversoul other then a dated mix tape. 
Let me know if anyone is planning on going

Thanks
Mandito

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Forwarded message:
> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:49:37 -0600
> From: blitz@earth.execpc.com (bLiTz)
> Subject: Re: DMT (fwd)
> 
> >On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:
> >
> >> Forwarded message:
> >> > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:22:49 -0600
> >> > From: blitz@earth.execpc.com (bLiTz)
> >> > Subject: Re: DMT
> >> >
> >> > occurs in certain species of plants (which i can't remember off hand) in
> >> > the amazon....mayan tribal shaman use DMT in their religious
> >> > practices....DMT can also be synthetically reproduced.....it does only last
> >> > about a 1/2 hour (sythetic) or the natural lasts about 5-10
> >> > minutes......and it is considered the most powerful hallucinogen on the
> >> > face of the earth
> >> >
> >> > actually it doesn't shut off your brain....it opens parts of it unknown to
> >> > you....these hallucinations have been compared to crossing over to other
> >> > dimensions (which beings that have evolved intellectually are supposed to
> >> > be capable of doing i.e. aliens)....yes it is really rare....i have only
> >> > seen synthetic once or twice and never have seen the naturally occuring
> >> > substance (which is supposed to look like orange mothballs)
> >
> >  > >
> >> > i have heard of no side effects.....i have had friends that have done
> >> > it.....i do have a freind who went to the Amazon to explore the jungle and
> >> > he did it several times, only to become a more enlightened and
> >> > intellectually stimulating person.....as far as the synthetic, it's not
> >> > nearly as religious of an experience as the natural, so i won't even
> 
> >Another Huge error here.  There is no such thing as synthetic DMT.  It is
> >a natural substance.  There is Man-made DMT, which is semantically quite
> >different than synthetic.  there is no difference between man-made and
> >naturally occurring DMT or any other drug for that matter.
> 
> boy this is a huge contradiction, and you say i have a huge error....maybe
> if you would have read the whole post and not taken something out of
> context i said later that synthetic was no where near the same thing as
> natural.....and if you were educated you would know that 'synthetic' means
> man-made
> 
> 
> >Differences in
> >experiences can be attributed to two possibilities.  1 expectations of
> >the user (most likely) or 2. synergistic chemicals present in the natural
> >extracts which are not present in the man-made form (possible but not
> >likely as researchers probably would have found these by now.)  And yes I
> >know a negative proof doesn't prove anything but it does weight the
> >probabilities.
> 
> 
> also have you or do you know anyone who has actually done both
> substances.....if not you are a just a fool blowing air in hte wind when
> you talk
> 
> **********************Tear It Down & Let The Truth Begin!!********************
>                   ____     __________
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>       /   /     /   /     /__/  /_____   /
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I have only been raving since september. Maddgroove played hardtrance and
acid and I just thought he had the best taste in records . what is up with
the gay ass flyer for inferno. I am thinking about going but it depends a lot
on the price if anyone knows it please let me know.


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way back during thanksgiving, a friend of mine was able to get his hands
on about five doses worth of dmt.  figuring that this could very well be
a once in a lifetime opportunity, me and some friends took it.  it did
last for about half an hour and was pretty intense, however it was
nothing mind shattering.  it was somewhat comparable to some stong acid
but there was also this very strange (yet somewhat pleasant) king of
head-buzz type feeling which was unique and hard to describe.  anyway,
just as long as you don't over do it, i wouldn't worry too much about
going insane or anything like that.  when the trip was over, i was very
much the same person.  

by the way, if anyone else has come across it, let me just make sure
that it was actually dmt that i got, since that was the only time i have
ever seen it.  it was an orange powder with a very strong chemical-ish
smell, almost like mothballs.  also, we were told to smoke it in a bowl
but not with any herbs or anything.  it did get me rocked, but i
honestly don't know what i smoked, other then the fact that my friend
said it was dmt.

        \\biGBee\\


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i picked up some flyer the other day about some party called "double
dose" in windsor, canada.  anyways, it is a two part shindig, taking
place last saturday and again next saturday.  anyways, did anyone go,
and if so is it worth going to next week?  i am really fiending for a
good party to attend, so if anyone knows of anything exciting in the
detroit area, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!  thank you so much.  peace,   biGBee


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wow.....

i have to start with last nite. azure was amazing.  an incredible,
incredible vibe and energy at this party...  i got there while todd sines
was on.  he spun a nice set.  i think it was still him that was on that
spun 2 copies of newcleous' "jam on it" at once, it was fun cuz that is one
of my favorite tracks ever. :)  powerhouse's live PA was fun too.  didn't
make me dance a lot but it was still nice.  rob rage was alright i guess.
he used to have so much more energy.  his set was ok but nothing
amazing...but there was still a lot of energy there, due more i think to
the kidz than to rob.  titonton tore it up wif a jungle set, then came
claude young.  *faint* absolutely mind-blowing.  sans crossfader too!  once
he stopped a record wif his nose!  ppl were screaming at every fucking mix,
everyone was going crazy, not to mention that the basement was fukkin
*packed*.  it was insane.  i had an unbelievable amount of fun at this
party.  there are not enough adjectives to adequately describe it...i guess
you would have just had to have been there...

on friday, persuasive percussion 3 rocked as well.  *especially*
powerhouse.  yay!  lots of old skool hip hop and electro, just the way i
like it.  :)  the highlight of the evening was when he played "the roof is
on fire".  he kept turning down the volume at all of the "crowd screaming"
parts and everyone was screaming.  ;)  well, screaming something, i heard
some ppl saying stuff nowhere *near* what's really on the rekkid, but it's
all good.  the best part was near the end of the song.  sound totally gone,
just the kidz screaming "the roof!  the roof!  the roof is on fire!!  we
don't need no water let the muthafukka burn!  burn, muthafukka, burn!!!"
hahhahahahahahahahahhahahahah.  that was *so* much fun.  woohoo!  he also
kicked out eazy-e's "boyz n tha hood" and onyx' "throw ya gunz", which made
me smile.  :)  and monochrome played about the funniest track i've ever
heard, this hip hop thing called "my dick is so large".  i didn't stop
laffin the whole time it was on...:)

weekends  like this remind why columbus is so special...

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

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after hanging out with george killian (irish red), me and my girl misty headed
to the party.  btw, i'm not "a menace to the vibe after drinking my juice in
the hood." ;)  we got to the cannery about midnite.  yeah, this space has
been used before, but it holds a lot of good memories for me.  i've seen many
rad punk shows there as well as the vibe tribe.

i'm not too sure who was spinning when i got there.  it was either jeff feller
or the professor.  they made me dance none the less!  nice house.  mystic
bill came on next and spun an outstanding set.  the most enjoyable set of the
nite, imo.  his records really spoke to me and wouldn't let me rest.

feelgood came on around three and spun a nice set.  although it didn't quite
pack the same punch he delivered in louisville a few months back.  dj dan was
on next.  his set was a bit different from most of the west coast djs i've
heard.  i liked it although i was too tired to dance much.  i left about
midway through his set.  yeah, i suck for it, but i had to drive home from
atlanta earlier that day and needed some rest.  hopefully i'll catch one of
terry's sets soon.

the lighting was dark which was good.  the sound was good, which can't go 
wrong when french e is in the house.  i really enjoyed the visuals.  especially
the star wars scenes and the way they made the characters dance. :)  ewoks
are such cute little creatures.  the force was with us..........

it sounds like columbus got "up for the down stroke" this week end.  i'm gonna
have to make it up that way soon.

"the desired effect is what you get when you improve your interplanetary funk
manship"  P-Funk (dealers of funky music)

eric


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hello my mw family,

i had to unsub until i got back to college today so i don;t
know what all the other reviews on SPARK have been about.

well, my two bits is this party brought a great amount of
substance back to the minneapolis scene(meaning Twin Cities scene)
cuz it was in St. Paul).
I laughed when i first saw the sound system for the following reason:
i dj'ed a school dance in a gym and used 8 bass bins for a killer
sound that i didnt turn up half way......the Ecstatic girls brought 
in 20, that's right 20 bins to this space the size of a loft type 
apartment.  I LOVE IT!!!  Extra special thanks to Woody McBride for
mc'ing the night. i never had much chance to meet him b4 but he
is incredibly kewl!
the 2nd room was just as fun, it was about the size of a bathroom but
was packed tight all night long for wonderful dj's like MINDFLUX,
CHRIS SATTINGER, SLIP, and my personal favorite, GABBERGIRL.
Thanks to all the ppl who waited in line to get their hands on
my lighting controller.....it seemed like i didn't have to do any
work with all my little helpers   ;>
also, i hoped everyone enjoyed the laser in the main room.....i tried to
keep the programs varied so we wouldn't get bored   =>



				this is one i will remember,

				Clinton
Mahdi on vrave

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Forwarded message:
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 06:23:04 -0600
> From: blitz@earth.execpc.com (bLiTz)
> Subject: Mars 2027
> 
> everyones going to be at this party this coming weekend right?????
> no excuses....this is gonna be the phatest party to hit wisconsin (this
> year anyway).....if you have any specific questions forward them to me here
> at this address (blitz@earth.execpc.com) Mars 2027 Headquarters....here is
> the info:
> 
> 20 JANUARY Saturday             MILWAUKEE AREA          MARS
> 
> 
>                   |\    /|           ___   ____
>                   | \  / |    /\    |   | |
>                   |  \/  |   /--\   |---   ----
>                   |      |  /    \  |   \  ____|  2027 A.D.
> 
>                             1.20.96
> 
> brought to you by Network 10 & particular malfunction,
> hosted by +++Mike Paul+++
> 
> 
> SOULSLINGER (Liquid Sky, NYC)
> ASTROCAT live p.a. (Drop Bass Network)
> DEADLY BUDA (Drop Bass Network, Praxis)
> EARTH (Minneapolis)
> E-TONES (Minneapolis)
> DZAK (Tool Box Tunes)
> + other locals TBA
> 
> Milwaukee, WI, USA, Earth
> 
> $12 (-$2 with canned food) & (-$2 with OTAT ID card)
> 
> Call the Main Line }{ 414.256.1350 }{ Network 10
>   or the  2nd Line }{ 414.256.1729 }{ Ou-Tre Headquarters for info
> 
> The Fourth in the SkyLab Series
> 
> 
> also the night before don't miss the Mars 2027 pre-party:
> 
> 
> 19 JANUARY Friday               MILWAUKEE(?)            THE TRIP TO MARS
> 
> 
> Planet-Three productions
> 
> The Trip to Mars
> 
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> 
> for info:  (414) 256-1382
> 
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan 15 21:23:40 1996
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im heading on out to both parties that wknd.  it should be great!!    ill be
postin a net meet plan later in the future <redundant statement...oh well>
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peace.
"design"
ink.McM

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johnsin massive sed:
=================================================================
I think I know the guy you were talking about.  Because we were camping next
to them at Family Affair.  The story got a little mixed up.  Because, he
took 10 hits of acid I believe and had some "not-so-potent" dmt sprayed pot.

DMT, is a drug that incapcitates you for a period of 15 minutes and only
lasts 20 minutes.  So don't get them (ACID and DMT) confused.

Johnsin
================================================================== 

how could the guy camping next to you be the one, when the naked guy
was from pittsburgh & it happened at TUNNELVISION, a party in pittsburgh?

i see you still have your prejudices against Family Affair. believe it
or not, not everybody at that party was on drugs and not all ohioans
are drug addicts.

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On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, bLiTz wrote:

> >> > nearly as religious of an experience as the natural, so i won't even
> 
> >Another Huge error here.  There is no such thing as synthetic DMT.  It is
> >a natural substance.  There is Man-made DMT, which is semantically quite
> >different than synthetic.  there is no difference between man-made and
> >naturally occurring DMT or any other drug for that matter.
> 
> boy this is a huge contradiction, and you say i have a huge error....maybe
> if you would have read the whole post and not taken something out of
> context i said later that synthetic was no where near the same thing as
> natural.....and if you were educated you would know that 'synthetic' means
> man-made
> 

Why is it that you give a person an net account and all of a sudden they 
think that it gives them a license to think.  For someone who chides me 
for not reading a post, the above shows remarkably little attention to 
detail.  I was not intending to flame anyone just trying to correct the 
misinformation in the post to stop the spread of incorrect data.  I am a 
bio-chemist and a genetic engineer (on leave from my studies while I try 
to run Utopia.)  I try to inject a little chemical knowledge into these 
threads so that myths don't perpetuate.  (The above person probably 
believes that lsd sometimes has strychnine or oth4er such myths.)  If 
the post had been closely read, I distinquished that semantically 
man-made and synthetic are two different propositions.  I further went on 
to qualify my statements and present the possibilities with the general 
probability of each.  If the natural version of DMT is different than the 
synthasized (not synthetic) version, then the 'natural' version is not 
DMT it is a blend of DMT and other, synergistic, chemicals.  That's all 
these things are, Chemicals.  Some of them are powerful tools of 
conscious expansion, but are just tools none the less.  Being 'natural' 
does not imbibe the chemical with any more energy, power, sacred 
usefulness whatever.  It makes no difference whether the compound comes 
from a plant or a test tube.  Anyone who tells you different is either 
ignorant (in the classic sense of not knowing different) or another 
pseudo-religious fanatic that has found a new focus for htethe need to have 
faith in something.





> 
> >Differences in
> >experiences can be attributed to two possibilities.  1 expectations of
> >the user (most likely) or 2. synergistic chemicals present in the natural
> >extracts which are not present in the man-made form (possible but not
> >likely as researchers probably would have found these by now.)  And yes I
> >know a negative proof doesn't prove anything but it does weight the
> >probabilities.
> 
> 
> also have you or do you know anyone who has actually done both
> substances.....if not you are a just a fool blowing air in hte wind when
> you talk
> 

No, I have not tried it.  It is extremely hard to find.  FOF who have 
tried it, have not related anydifference between the two.  For the above 
statements I need not have done the drug; all I need is my knowledge of 
chemistry.  I was very careful to word the post so that I covered the 
various contengencies and distinquished the terminology that I used.  

It really pisses me off, that when I take time to put forth some KNOWLEDGE 
into the thread based on my areas of expertise, someone comes back with 
inaccurate posts while accusing me of being the fool.  If you are going 
to flame someone, you had best be sure that that you are on firm ground.  
I post these comments and corrections because I hate the spread of 
disinformation.  Data wants to be free.  Inaccuracies just bog down the 
net.  Enough ranting for now.

tim


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There is a lot of talk here on various drugs and the rumers surrounding
them.  I think that certain drugs can be wonderful tools to open pathways
through the mind to demensions unknown-an inner universe if you will--IF
USED PROPERLY.  I've been following this DMT thing and with all the
different responses I've come to this conclusion-Why on earth would you want
to put anything into your brain that you have no idea of its effects and
consequences?  I've seen 5 different posts that have said 5 different
things.  I'm all for experimentation, just please be careful-I would hate to
loose any of you to stupid mistakes.  dont take anything until you've done
your homework.  This isn't playtime, this is your brain-don't fuck around.
psycadelics are truly a gift from the earth and can bring about many
wonderful revelations.  Everyone is different and they affect us
accordingly.  Free your mind and the rest will follow-not a bad saying when
it comes to psycadelics.  Go into it with a clear mind, a good heart, and
the intention to learn.  Sure its fun to fruit out, but learn from it.
Psycadelics can open all sorts of pathways, empathic or otherwise.  I dont
pretend to be an expert, Im just telling what I feel.  Be careful and have a
shitload of fun<-----HI ON    P+E+A+C+E+L+O+V+E+U+N+I+T+Y
                            {{{{ Mescaline rules! }}}}
I'll tell you this, no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the
dawn<--J. Morrisson


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>how could the guy camping next to you be the one, when the naked guy
>was from pittsburgh & it happened at TUNNELVISION, a party in pittsburgh?

didn't tunnelvision happen the week *before* family affair...?  wait, yah,
i'm sure it did...so this could've happened, stevie.

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

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re: spark
>also, i hoped everyone enjoyed the laser in the main room.....i tried to
>keep the programs varied so we wouldn't get bored   =>
We did actually comment to each other that the lighting was
perfect and effectual.   It made the room feel very good, and
it was a good room to feel good in !   nice job !
Probably the happiest fucking party I've ever been to, and it
certainly deserves the title PARTY.   The backroom felt like
somebody's bedroom, the little second room got rocked real
hard by all who spun back there.
 (except the turntables kept skipping when people danced ,
while I was spinning I got skipped to the next track at one
 point !  a massive bpm change, too !)
And I for one didn't talk to that many people on drugs at all.
Mostly just pot and some curious girl who introduced some guy
as her dog and then said star was a cool person (who?)
and then they said that they loved raves and drifted off somewhere
else.  yeah.  hi.
Mpls. parties in general have a pretty discrete and low drug count.
I've been to Detroit and Chicago parties and was astounded that
drugs and getting them and taking them were a pretty regular
topic and couldn't be avoided.   Not to generalise those 
whole scenes,  and they were all great parties, but noticeably
less drug action up here.  (and I know a lot more people here too).

>                                this is one i will remember,
>
>                                Clinton
>Mahdi on vrave

  Over and Out.

==================================================
Chris Sattinger                                                            
     
                                    Reprogramming Our Reality Through Disco

Communique, Synewave, Probe, Sounds, Head In the Clouds
                              
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Ok, on 01/15
Primover1 wrote this on the board:

"I have only been raving since september. Maddgroove played hardtrance and
acid and I just thought he had the best taste in records . what is up with
the gay ass flyer for inferno. I am thinking about going but it depends a lot
on the price if anyone knows it please let me know."

Well, the price for this rave is 18$ as told to me by ticketmaster!  But for
the Gay ass flyer, yes it is to some strange and too big, but it's the
promoters job to make it stand out i guess so we can notice them and go.. but
Next time please have alittle common sense to be more open minded and
remember the choice of words you use when writing, because you could end up
offending some people... Remember Raves are a place where ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE
are UNITED!!!!!  thanks...

PEACE>LOVE>UNITY>DANCE
Raver 76

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michael sed:
=================================================================
>how could the guy camping next to you be the one, when the naked guy
>was from pittsburgh & it happened at TUNNELVISION, a party in pittsburgh?

didn't tunnelvision happen the week *before* family affair...?  wait, yah,
i'm sure it did...so this could've happened, stevie.

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy
==================================================================

huh? it didn't matter if tunnelvision happened *after* FA, it
could've happened. hell aliens on crack perpetrating to be ravers
could've been by the massive tent could've happened. hmm that would
explain alot of things. this is getting silly.

btw jeff left his backpack at yur place last night. he sed all he
really wanted was his right guard..keep away those stinky crack
smoking aliens, y'know.

so this won't be a total waste of bandwidth. my opinion on DMT..
it's a waste of bandwidth.

it ain't about how much y'know about the drugs, it ain't about how
much y'know about the music, it's about what you're gonna do with
what you do know. hopefully something positive.

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Guys, please give me some advice for the use of herbal E.  I just got 
some and of course I wanna get the max out of it. I know you are 
supposed to drink a lot of water while using it, or even to make it 
work, but what else is there?

Thanx for your advice


OPUL

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me sez:
=================================================================
it ain't about how much y'know about the drugs, it ain't about how
much y'know about the music, it's about what you're gonna do with
what you do know. hopefully something positive.
================================================================= 

whoops, just realized what massive flame baiting material this
was, so i better clarify...

first off all the info on DMT was appreciated - for any one that
was thinking about doing it. spreading knowledge is just one form
of doing something positive. 

as with spreading knowledge about the music. that is also doing
something positive.

but when it comes down to...well this person is ignorant because 
he doesn't know as much as i do about such & such, that's when 
it gets silly.

everybody has their own experiences & everybody has their own 
energy focuses. as a result not everyone will think alike. it's
silly to rip on someone that does not believe in the same things    
you do. instead focus on how to improve yourself. and take what
you do know into producing something positive...like throwing
kick ass partys like Teknosaurus 2! 

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i would also just like to perhaps toe the line of redundancy here and 
say that DMT is about as wanted at a rave/party as donny osmond.

sure, some ppl at raves choose to do various chemicals.  my opinion 
on that witheld for the moment, it seems like DMT would be a 
wonderful thing to experiment with somewhere *else*.  with all the 
general nuttiness that goes on at raves, i don't think i'd choose 
that place to totally open myself up to all kinds of wierdness.  

i would like to point out that anyone 
who brings drugs of any kind into a party runs the risk of not only 
getting themselves in trouble, but getting the entire party shut 
down.  a very selfish move in my opinion. hardly worth the risk.  
there are a lot of neat things to experience at a party that you'll 
miss if you're fucked up and there are a lot more fun things to do 
while dial8ted than sweat in a dark crowded warehouse...my opinion.

> There has been a lot of discussion about this drug lately and I honestly
> don't think its the recreational drug everyone makes it out to be.
> Anything that completely removes you from the world your accustomed to
> being in can do really serious things to your mind.  Having had my brushes
> with substances that can kill you or drive you insane if not used carefully
> I can't express that enough.  If you're gonna do it REALLY REALLY REALLY
> make sure that you know what your getting into and make sure you are ready
> to do it.  DMT has been known to cause flashback experiences in dreams that
> are as real as if you had just smoked it.  Your neurochemistry isn't going
> to be the same ever again... If your prepared for that then... start
> reading up.
> 
> 
>                 Peace LOVE Unity Respect  PLURality  --Kell
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dj Kell - parts unknown                               bookings: 606.268.9843
> 
> 
> 
> 

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I live in baltimore and go to 




raves and clubs there, I goto college in St.louis and dont know much about the scene here.

Could some nice person out there tell me some info on clubs here and where the rave reconstruction takes place.

THANKS

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just thought i'd add my $.02

on the behalf of (e)cstatic
thanks to all who showed up
and any comments can be directed my way

on the behalf of myself
i thought it was great
i was really impressed that a party
could turn out like that
the vibe was great
the people were great
the music was great (variety ;}
it seemed more like a "rave"tm
than anything in a long time

my only regret is that the smaller rooms 
could have been a little bigger
but you can't really complain about a space like that
which can never be used again (being renovated)

they lost about $1200 tho ;{
and IMHO they could've cut back a little on the frills
(ie. fire juggler...dancers)
but it was a fun idea
with the intent to bring added dimentions
to something that tends to be somewhat repetative

so thanks again...it was fun!

       *hugs*

     <<^GUiDO^^>>>>>
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HElLo--

Is anyone out there finding her/himself with an extra turntable 
you're just dying to get rid of?  '

Maybe not, and this might be a bit of a stretch, but here goes...

I'm superlow on cash now (grad school application fees : (  ) but I'd 
like to get another technics. I'm spinning with one technics and one 
JVC right now.....

Tho I don't have money on hand I DO have a very very stylie mountain 
bike.  It's a couple years old, but it's a Trek 7000 Aluminum frame 
that I bought for $700 originally.  It's in real nice shape and has a 
new chain and bullhorns and two water bottle holders....so if anyone 
wanted to take me up on this offer I'd be in seventh heaven......

you could call me at 715.682.2346 if ya wanted or you could email me.

Hope and Happiness

Elka

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Spark was an excellent event.  I really* liked the space.  It's just 
way too bad that I was sooooooo tired.  I ended up leaving around 
2:30am, and didn't really dance that much.

I kinda liked the small rooms... Gave it a nice intimate feel :)

As I said to Guido earlier, I hope that (e)cstatic starts doing this 
weekly :)

-Xavier

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> Subject: 
>         Re: Union Jack Bootleg 
>   Date: 
>         Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:27 -0500 
>   From: 
>         SuperDove@aol.com
>     To: 
>         jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu
> 
> 
> If you haven't realized, bootlegging is illegal.  Since you've publicly admit
> to bootlegging Union Jack's set (quite stupidly actually since I have your
> name now and where you go to school), expect to be contacted by law
> enforcement officials.
> 
> If you're planning on selling these, this is called piracy.  As Union Jack's
> manager, I am going to have to enforce any legal procedure they may wish to
> pursue, as well as Platipus, their record label.
> 
> I don't think Terry will appreciate this either as you attempted to bootleg
> him.
> 
> Really, this could not have been worth the hassle and legal work you are
> about to deal with.
> 
> 
> 

This is a letter I recieved in regards to a post I offered to provide
Union Jack Tapes to people FREE of charge.  I do not know the legalities
of either my actions or the threats in this letter (something I stupidly
didn't reasearch).  However until I'm sure I'm not going to jail, I'm
going to have to post-pone my offer.  Sorry about the false offer, I
hope it will be cleared up soon. 

BTW.  this recording was made on a mini-cassette recorder and would only
wetten peoples appettites for the "real thing".  I geuss people gotta
bitch when they can.  l8r.

					Jay Busch
					jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

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This message is for Ben Page.  Ben if you are out there will you please e-mail
me?  

			Dreamcycle

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From: THE GOD OF ALL GODS <davisi@odo.msoe.edu>
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Can anyone in the Milwaukee area call me or write me email if they can 
give me a ride?  To equal?  On FRIDAY?

Phone is 287-4776, email is apparent.

Mikey Davis
davisi@odo.msoe.edu


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If you think you've got 100 years to fuck around you're wrong - you're time
is here, your time is now, it's time to shine.<---Henry Rollins
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               +*+*+LOVEEVERYONEANDDANCEFOOLSDANCE+*+*+*
                             +*HI ON+*


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On Tue, Jan 16, 1996 @ 3:01 AM EDT, Utopia said

>It really pisses me off, that when I take time to put forth >some KNOWLEDGE 
>into the thread based on my areas of expertise, someone >comes back with 
>inaccurate posts while accusing me of being the fool.

Maybe if you did it with a little less of a sneer...

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Sorry about that remark but you have to admit that is a STUPID ass flyer
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Ok, on 01/15
Primover1 wrote this on the board:

"I have only been raving since september. Maddgroove played hardtrance and
acid and I just thought he had the best taste in records . what is up with
the gay ass flyer for inferno. I am thinking about going but it depends a lot
on the price if anyone knows it please let me know."

Well, the price for this rave is 18$ as told to me by ticketmaster!  But for
the Gay ass flyer, yes it is to some strange and too big, but it's the
promoters job to make it stand out i guess so we can notice them and go.. but
Next time please have alittle common sense to be more open minded and
remember the choice of words you use when writing, because you could end up
offending some people... Remember Raves are a place where ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE
are UNITED!!!!!  thanks...

PEACE>LOVE>UNITY>DANCE
Raver 76


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Hi :) 

I have a big favour to ask everyone out there.  I'm doing a paper on  
raves and drug use at raves.  I want to look at people's personal 
histories and see if there's some correlating traits between those that 
choose to become ravers or those that choose to become ravers who use 
drugs.  Anyway, here are a few questions that, if you could sparea few 
moments to answer, I'd owe you my eternal gratitude.

1.  how long have you been raving?  Why did you start?
2.  How often do you rave?
3.  Do you use drugs at raves?  And, if so, what kinds of drugs?
4.  How often do you use drugs?  (only at raves, once a week, twice a 
week, etc)
5.  If you are a sXe (straight-edge) person, how do you feel about people 
getting high at the raves?
6.  What do you do occupation-wise?  If you're a student, what are you 
majoring in?
7.  Do your parents know that you rave?
8.  Do you think raves would be as popular without the drugs?
9.  What sort of background are you coming from? (middle-class, 
conservative, etc)
10.  Could you tell of one or two experiences you've had of drugs?  it 
can be positive or negative.  I'm interested in the reasons why people 
take drugs -- is it for the pharmalogical effects or is it more social?

that's all I can think of... if you can think of a great question to ask, 
then feel free to suggest it! :)  I appreciate all your help.  Thanks 
ahead of time!

Always, 
Anne


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Ok, I have a few questions on this Rave?  First they are saying it's a 17 and
over Party? does that mean you have to be 17 to buy the tickets or 17 and
over to actually get in with them carding at the door???   and also can u
only buy them at ticketmaster?  And the third question is Can We try to get a
NET Raver meeting at Inferno for all us who are going???  see ya,

PEACE>LOVE>UNITY>DANCE

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>Ok, I have a few questions on this Rave?  First they are saying it's a 17 and
>over Party? does that mean you have to be 17 to buy the tickets or 17 and
>over to actually get in with them carding at the door???   and also can u
>only buy them at ticketmaster?  And the third question is Can We try to get a
>NET Raver meeting at Inferno for all us who are going???  see ya,
>
>PEACE>LOVE>UNITY>DANCE

in my opionion (<--notice the key words there)....you should probably go to
Mars 2027 in Wisconsin if you believe in keeping the vibe alive and the
sound underground.....ticketmaster isn't very underground and is part of
the cause of the selling out of the scene....if you support mainstreaming
of the scene by all means support this party, but if you care about keeping
the scene underground and out of the spotlight and out of the hands of
corporate entities then i suggest you do not support this party and stay
home, go somewhere else or  support our party Mars 2027.....here is the
info for Mars 2027:

20 JANUARY Saturday             MILWAUKEE AREA          MARS


                  |\    /|           ___   ____
                  | \  / |    /\    |   | |
                  |  \/  |   /--\   |---   ----
                  |      |  /    \  |   \  ____|  2027 A.D.

                            1.20.96

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        Several weeks ago Theory Collapse posted a URL on mw-raves.  I lost
my hard drive.  Can anyone share the wealth???  By the way, their playing
virtual at lollapallozza????  Thanx  and Peeaaacccceeeee!!!!!


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he he he, just had to share this with y'all...

 
got e-mail yesterday from john balance of coil (who are a very wonderful electtronic duo who 
everybody everywhere should be made to listen to at least tonce, they do everything from 
industrial to trance to ambient like no one else besides brian eno)

he gave me his permission to use samples.  rock on.  :)

specifically, for anybody out there who knows coil, the first four bars of "as pure as...?" from 
the snow ep

PLUGPLUGPLUG:  look for my self-released "snowscapes" ep to be being sold at whatever parties i 
manage to get my ass to in the near future, taking an idea by coil and extending in in directions 
trancy, breaksy, jack-dangers-y and classical(!).  anybody interested feel free to write, since 
i'm incredibly poor these days, what with huge car repair bills and all, and working at burger 
king, it will probably only bne a casette release at least for a while, but it's so fuckin' cool 
(if i do say so myself) that i anticipate actually maybe making some money on it...  and 
certainly would love to see myself having an actual CD, or vinyl even, holy shiot...

OBRave: the single for "unlearn" by psykosonic (who i ordinarily don't care for) has a josh winkj 
remix which is ok and a derrick carter remix called "red nail stops and goes" which kicks ass.  
$7 from TVT/WaxTrax.

but seriously, people.  if you never listen to me ever again, listenb to me now.  LISTEN TO 
COIL!!!  i would specifically recommend the "snow" ep, cuz it's got jack dangers remixes called 
"answers come in dreams" (abbriviate...)

-b. echthros
(listen to coil!)

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Is anyone else here sick of fucking arena raves?

INFERNO sounds like bad juice.  This is the 5th party in recent 
history where you could get your tickets at Ticketmaster...

I don't know how many of you stopped buying chili pepper CDs after 
the first news of them doing an arena concert ...

WESTBAM might be "excellent", but ya know I heard some bootlegs of 
his shit and it's mostly all commercial garbage.  Let's not forget 
this is the genius that remixed Moby for christ's fucking sake.

Anyways, a moment of anger and hostility.

Back to your regularly scheduled happy(tm) thoughts.

the EARACHE

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that should read ->

the EARACHE(tm)

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>>Ok, I have a few questions on this Rave?  First they are saying it's a 17 and
>>over Party? does that mean you have to be 17 to buy the tickets or 17 and
>>over to actually get in with them carding at the door???   and also can u
>>only buy them at ticketmaster?  And the third question is Can We try to get a
>>NET Raver meeting at Inferno for all us who are going???  see ya,
>>
>>PEACE>LOVE>UNITY>DANCE

Shannon is totally right.  everyone shoudl totally go to MARS.  it is 
cheaper...it has a bomb lineup, and according to shannon...the space is 
PhAt.  support network 10...they are out there for us all the time helping 
out the scene...and they like mac & cheese :)

-nancy

>in my opionion (<--notice the key words there)....you should probably go to
>Mars 2027 in Wisconsin if you believe in keeping the vibe alive and the
>sound underground.....ticketmaster isn't very underground and is part of
>the cause of the selling out of the scene....if you support mainstreaming
>of the scene by all means support this party, but if you care about keeping
>the scene underground and out of the spotlight and out of the hands of
>corporate entities then i suggest you do not support this party and stay
>home, go somewhere else or  support our party Mars 2027.....here is the
>info for Mars 2027:
>
>20 JANUARY Saturday             MILWAUKEE AREA          MARS
>
>
>                  |\    /|           ___   ____
>                  | \  / |    /\    |   | |
>                  |  \/  |   /--\   |---   ----
>                  |      |  /    \  |   \  ____|  2027 A.D.
>
>                            1.20.96
>
>brought to you by Network 10 & particular malfunction,
>hosted by +++Mike Paul+++
>
>
>SOULSLINGER (Liquid Sky, NYC)
>ASTROCAT live p.a. (Drop Bass Network)
>DEADLY BUDA (Drop Bass Network, Praxis)
>EARTH (Minneapolis)
>E-TONES (Minneapolis)
>DZAK (Tool Box Tunes)
>+ other locals TBA
>
>Milwaukee, WI, USA, Earth
>
>$12 (-$2 with canned food) & (-$2 with OTAT ID card)
>
>Call the Main Line }{ 414.256.1350 }{ Network 10
>  or the  2nd Line }{ 414.256.1729 }{ Ou-Tre Headquarters for info
>
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 17 00:43:16 1996
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On Wed, 17 Jan 1996 Raver76@aol.com wrote:

> Ok, I have a few questions on this Rave?  First they are saying it's a 17 and
> over Party? does that mean you have to be 17 to buy the tickets or 17 and
> over to actually get in with them carding at the door???   and also can u
> only buy them at ticketmaster?  And the third question is Can We try to get a
> NET Raver meeting at Inferno for all us who are going???  see ya,

1) the reason for 17 and over is for obvious curfew violations, no one said 
how strictly they will card but it must be advertised as a 17 and over 
event in order to prevent any problems.

2) tickets will be available in the usual fashions, map point, and at the 
door.  the only purpose for ticketmaster is to prevent people from being 
shafted like at the whole ladybug afair.  if the event is cancelled or if 
some major headliner doesn't show.  you can take your ticket back to 
ticketmaster and get all your cash back, instead of being left poor and 
bored.  this is a safeguard that is there to protect the raver and 
his/her money.

granted this has nothing to do with an underground event and never really 
claimed to be underground.  but that does not mean it won't be enjoyable.

for those that have been to the other parties know what to expect.  lewis 
from vibeonauts has diffinately gone all out for this event, and has 
planned every last detail.  please don't knock an event and all the time 
invested in it unless you give it a fair chance.

Peace,
acetate


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> INFERNO sounds like bad juice.  This is the 5th party in recent 
> history where you could get your tickets at Ticketmaster...
> 
erache has such a way of saying the same general thing i'm 
thinking... i grinned broadly at the chili pepper refrence. heh.

but for me, it's not actually ticketscalper that's preventing me from 
patronizing this party, it's not the likelyhood of it getting busted, 
it's not the promotional group (i don't actually know who it is, but 
should find out just for future refrence).   it's not that i wouldn't 
like the music...it's the fucking FlyER!!

okay, without pressing my <capslock> to display the fervor with which 
i feel that this flyer sucks, i will just tell you it's about as 
artistically interesting as most of the packaging i see on cereal 
boxes and frozen foods and about as cheezy as.....argh.

i'm against 11x17" flyers unless they have a very good reason for 
being so large but if it *is* going to be that big it better be 
pretty fucking cool.  this flyer is so bad it doesn't even make me 
chuckle.

and i'll tell you this with pride:  at decadance a stack of them had 
fallen to the floor in the back near the lighing board.  during the 
night i never quite found a comfy spot to rest my behind...until i 
discovered that pile o' paper.  them 11x17's cover a lot more space 
than the 5.5x8.5's of last summer.  never mind my ass getting dirty 
on a gym floor, i'm sittin on inferno flyers ;)

> 
> Back to your regularly scheduled happy(tm) thoughts.

yeah!  grrr!  :P  :l

--star*

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On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Professor Earache wrote:

> Is anyone else here sick of fucking arena raves?

In Toronto most of the raves go through Ticketmaster. They have 
incredible line-ups, big name DJs (most English jungle DJs), and 
incredible lights. They average several thousand people on a weekly 
basis, unfortunately most of those people are just your average people 
who are looking for a place to hangout and get wasted. In short the 
parties suck. 
Its kind of weird, the fact that most parties are huge and commercial 
there has forced another underground scene to develop. There are small 
parties that are basically promoted by word of mouth that get all the 
people that actually are into the music but were scared away by the 
commercial crap. These parties are some of the best I've been to.


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 17 01:45:05 1996
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Well, here it is...First off, i thought that the sound in the main room 
was really nice and loud.  I was a little thrown off by the 10 year olds 
on the dance floor, but they seemed to be having a good time, so more 
power to them.  The second room, was really nice, kinda an intimate 
setting, with it being so small and all, and kinda annoying that you 
couldn't dance much without skipping the needle, but that was allright 
too.  I got to meet a few of the other netravers, denoted by the nice 
orange conversion material stickers handed out by steve(?) at the ticket 
table.  The vibe of the party was really nice, except for being asked for 
E about 4 times before i could set my bag down, but again, that was 
allright.  It was good to see some others that i knew there (Dustin and 
Jerrod), but unfortunately, i happened to have come down with a case of 
mono about a week before, and therefore was not in the best shape for 
dancing.  Either way, i hope that there will be more parties of the like 
in the future, instead of the larger, and more impersonalparties that i 
seem to see elsewhere.....love to all......Nate

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Hi there!
Some of you might remember me asking about herbal E and how to use it 
properly......well, I couldn't wait for all those answers, so I tried 
it yesterday night.
First of all, the stuff I took was "Herbal Bliss", so if any of you 
know more about it, please!!!!! let me know.....because mybe then 
I'll try it again.

So but here the actual story:

I came home at about 11 pm and I still had a long night ahead of me, 
because I had to read about 300 pages boring Faulkner.  So I drank a 
few Energy drinks (with an amount of coffein of about one pot of 
coffee) to stay awake for a couple of hours without any problems.
Then I thought that maybe those drinks and all the caffein don't have 
such a strong influence on me, because I'm very used to it.  Just 
having received 2 doses of herbal E, I figured this would be about 
time.....So I cautiously took one pill.  As I read often before I 
drank a lot of water....but somehow nothing happend.  So I went on 
IRC to some of the "special" channels, and asked for some advice.  I 
didn't get any good opinion about it at all and after a while someone 
got serious with me and told me to take about 10 of it in case I 
really wanna feel anything.  But I thought 10 might be a little much, 
so I swallowed 4 more with another huge lot of water.....thinking 
that in case the feeling shouldn't be strong enough I could still 
throw in some more.  So it didn't take long (15 mins) for me to 
decide "What the fuck!!!" and I took another 5!  All excited about my 
first high on drugs I went back to reading to skip the time it takes 
to start.  But there was nothing and I mean absolutely nothing.  I 
drank about 1/2 a gallon of water, so that cannot have been the 
problem.  And my mind was all prepared for it, so the mental openess 
was there too.....So now I am here sitting in front of the computer, 
listening to my Goa tapes (even those didn't get me going 
yesternight) having a very strong feeling of disappointment and 
actually anger in me.  I just don't know whether this is a case that 
is out of the regular, or if that is a common thing with herbal E, 
and maybe it was the kind of herbal E that failed.....but please let 
me know about your experience with herbal E, maybe I'm gonna try it 
again some day, when I recovered from this failure....

keep feeling the motion of the ocean.....


OPUL

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 17 04:50:08 1996
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I'm a little sick of hearing people bitch about htis that or the other thing.
YOu bitch about parties getting busted b/cv they're "underground" you bitch about parties at arena's etc.  Rave what the fuck does the word mean?? if you want
to call it something else just so you can enjoy it fine call arena raves events
underground warehouse parties raves, and whatever most "raves" are something in
between call them something else, but just b/c the specs of a party don't live
up to your personal ideals of what a rave is is no reason to trash it.  I've 
been to huge ticketmaster parties and small underground parties I've enjoyed bo
th, I'd get awfully bored at parties if they were all the same.  And where does
it say commercialization has a fucking thing to do with quality? the two just
can not be logically linked.  Is it just me or are net-ravers the whinies bunch
of peopel there are??? (I know my friends say I complain a lot and I am now).
Sorry I just had to rant and .... well I'll shut up now.


sluckboy

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matt sed:
=================================================================
Hi there!
Some of you might remember me asking about herbal E and how to use it 
properly......well, I couldn't wait for all those answers, so I tried 
it yesterday night.
First of all, the stuff I took was "Herbal Bliss", so if any of you 
know more about it, please!!!!! let me know.....because mybe then 
I'll try it again.

So but here the actual story:

I came home at about 11 pm and I still had a long night ahead of me, 
because I had to read about 300 pages boring Faulkner.  So I drank a 
few Energy drinks (with an amount of coffein of about one pot of 
coffee) to stay awake for a couple of hours without any problems.
Then I thought that maybe those drinks and all the caffein don't have 
such a strong influence on me, because I'm very used to it.  Just 

======================( etc. etc. etc. )===========================

i tried herbal bliss, 5 caps (recommended dosage), & it worked for
me. got the sweats. got the energy i needed to dance. granted it
was no where near the energy from even a half moon or black licorice,
but it did the job. i think it might have to do with the environment.
i was in a party environment. so it supplemented that. you on the
other hand was reading boring Faulkner. listening to goa. staying
up all night. there's only so much a drug can do. even the real
deal probably would not have picked up those conditions too well.
perhaps the Faulkner book may have felt real good when u turned
the pages & the goa would've sounded alot better, but i don't
think it would've helped out on concentrating on your reading too
much.

for better info contact:

ken lawrence, herbal bliss distributor (LA) - Cubofdoom@aol.com

tim, utopia distributor (louisville) - utopia@iglou.com 

jonathan pierson, cloud 9 distributor (chicago) - 312.409.7435

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You know what the most tiresome whine _by far_ on MW-Raves is?
The one that goes "All anyone ever does here is whine whine whine."
And yes, I am completely aware of the irony of posting this here.

    - d.w.
      self-referential pomo git
      [NOW WITH EXTRA CLEANSING POWER!]


ps: to the guy who wrote

> I came home at about 11 pm and I still had a long night ahead of me,
> because I had to read about 300 pages boring Faulkner.

I saw the face of <include higherPower.h> in _The Sound and the
Fury_.  Open yourself to the words -- it's worth it.

"One split-second of utter and immobilised flight, like a hawk
 caught in a speed lens."




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I'm back muthafuckas.

Has anyone tried coffee with creamsicles?

See you at Mars 2027 all you groovy funksters.

Mark Josef

Brain Farmer



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Forwarded message:
> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:17:19 -0500 (EST)
> From: danFREELove <freelove@access.digex.net>
> Subject: NR: Mosaic Tickets
> 
> Yes, they are out!  I got in a batch of 492 tickets at the end of last
> week.  I have been trying to hold off on announcing so that I can get the
> local distribution network set up to make purchases easier on everyone. 
> But, I will just follow that up in a few days once it is all set and
> settled.  For right now the tickets are available only through me via mail
> order but will be available later through your friendly local netters. 
> 
> Ticket cost is $8, please send a check or money order payable to Daniel 
> Philpott to:
> 
> Dan Philpott
> 8015 Mandan Rd. #102
> Greenbelt, MD  20770
> 
> Tickets will be sent out in a batch at each weeks end via regular post.  
> One week prior to the party I will suspend mail order purchases and 
> tickets will be available either through local netters or at the door.
> 
> It is not required that you send postage for your tickets, but I can
> process the tickets faster if you send a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope. 
> 
> BTW, HUMUNGOUS props to Derrick Miller for these fantastic tickets.  I
> really like how they turned out. 
> 
> Dan
> 
> Ps. Due to illness and snow storms the flyers are delayed until the end 
> of this week.  As soon as they hit my hands they will be repackaged and 
> sent out to those who requested them.  Hope you are feeling better, Jason.
> 
> ,._-_  < \, \\/\  _-_        __ freelove@access.digex.net ~~~~~---____Peace
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> 

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Forwarded message:
> From: page@simon.wustl.edu
> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 23:41:45 CST
> Subject: My last mw-raves post
> 
> Well, I'll miss everyone.  I'm losing net access for a while, so instead
> of deleting 200 new hyperreal messages once every 2 weeks, I'm unsubbing.
> 
> But first...let me talk about my break...
> 
> I met too many fucking wonderful people over break.  My little bedroom
> dj hobby thing is slowly working it's way into dark scary warehouses in
> front of big crowds, YIPPIE!!!  There is no better feeling than spinning
> in front of a ton of happy ravers sweating to your music.
> 
> Stayed in a rave-cave for a few days in columbus.  The scene up there is
> tight!!!  Loved every second of it.  Met mike/allroy who is supa-cool.  Took
> a trip to cleveland to pass out last minute trancemission flyers and met
> lots of other funky ppl!  Hi stevie t and kate!!!
> 
> Didn't get to spend nearly enough time with becca, becky, mark, and the rest
> of the cinci crew...  =(  Missed out on becca's new years  =(
> 
> hmmm...nothing I can really post to this newsgroup that pertains enough
> to raves, so I'll spare all the bitchy ass-wipes on the list the rest of
> my break and end this letter...happy bandwidth.
> 
> I'll miss this list.
> ---ben / Cylert
> 
> p.s. I'm still online, so feel free to email me at this account, but expect
> to wait a week or 2 for a reply.
> 

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> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:01:15 -0500 (EST)
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> 
>                                 Mosaic
>                   'a gathering of our love in motion'
> 
> Date: February 10th, 1996             Site: Raza Warehouse, Baltimore, MD
> Cost: $8                          Infoline: 301-714-4567
> 
>                                Main Room:
>                                     
>                           CraigD - Pennsylvania
>                           Dylan Drazen - Boston
>                            Entity - Baltimore
>                           Frequency M - Boston
>                            Method1 - Richmond
>                   Scott Henry - Baltimore/Washington DC
>                         Sista Spinsta - Cleveland
>                           Timestretch - Boston
>                             Will-E - New York
>                                     
>                                     
>                               Ambient Room:
>                                     
>                            Babylon - Baltimore
>                          Count Zero - Pittsburgh
>                             Fluid - Delaware
>                           Infinity - Baltimore
>                           LoveGrove - Baltimore
> 
> 
> You are cordially invited to a gathering of the Net Raver massive. 
> Inspired by the SE Raves Netscape parties this is a collective volunteer
> action of Net Ravers from a myriad of lists, backgrounds and focuses.
> 
> Primary discussion takes place on NE Raves.  For more information contact
> freelove@access.digex.net
> 
> Dan
> 
> ,._-_  < \, \\/\  _-_        __ freelove@access.digex.net ~~~~~---____Peace
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>  ||   (( || || | ||/   _             _            ~~       =          Unity
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> 
> 

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I have some additional questions I'd like to ask people and i'm going to 
post them just so I don't have to repeat myself 50 times. :)

When you reply to the earlier help mail that I sent, could you please 
include your age?  i want to know the range of ravers out there... and 
maybe age has something to do with drug use.  

1.  Did you start experimenting with drugs before you raved or did you 
start the drug use after you started raving?  

2.  Do you think that raving leads some people to drug use?

3.  Okay, I have this sort-of hypothesis developed and I'd appreciate it 
if you'd tell me if I'm close of if I'm just full of it.  It seems that 
when ppl start raving, they tend to be doing a lot more drugs, but the 
longer they've raved, the more likely they're able to be sXe or they 
practice a lot of moderation.  (that was the hypothesis part)  I was 
thinking that maybe this was just due to the fact that people got older, 
maybe more mature?  Or perhaps they saw more of the negative effects 
drugs were having to some friends?

4.  If you're taking drugs, how do you feel about all the negative 
aspects of it, esp what's being publicized in all the "just say no" type 
campaigns?  Do the ads have any truth to them?

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On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, star wrote:

> but for me, it's not actually ticketscalper that's preventing me from 
> patronizing this party, it's not the likelyhood of it getting busted, 
> it's not the promotional group (i don't actually know who it is, but 
> should find out just for future refrence).   it's not that i wouldn't 
> like the music...it's the fucking FlyER!!

1)  what makes you think this event has any possibility of getting 
busted?  all permits are obtained, insurance is obtained, the space is  
payed for, security is paid for.  give me one reason why anyone feels 
this party has a chance of getting busted.  not just the lame excuse it's 
going to get busted because the of the large flyer.

2)  if you don't want to go to the party just because you don't like the 
artwork, then you were never invited in the first place.  the flyer was 
designed by gary from sir real labs, a really cool guy and someone who has 
been around from the start.  he has been designing flyers for years 
and just becuase you don't like one of his pieces of art doesn't mean the 
party is going to suck.

alot of planning has gone into this event.  we have been entertaining 
westbam all week around our lovely town.  i would appreciate a chance to 
defend this event via private email before being publicly thrashed on 
this list.  it's all about respect, not slander.

peace,
acetate

ps  i hope that all of those that choose to go to mars 2027 have a GREAT 
time, as i hope those attending inferno find the evening enjoyable.

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Just relax, he was only joking.  Besides nobody cares what star has to
say, we all think he's just stupid as the rest of us.


BTW that was a joke.

					Jay Busch
					jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

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okay, seeing the herbal e posts reminded me of a question i had.
evidently, there is now an herbal alternative to crystal called "go!", sold
like herbal e/bliss/utopia/cloud 9/what-have-you.  anyone know what this is
like?  i'd be interested to know.  haven't seen it for sale at parties and
prolly wouldn't do it anyhoo.  never taken any herbal e of any sort, don't
really know why...

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

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Since I recieved this:

> Subject: 
>         Re: Union Jack Tape 
>   Date: 
>         Wed, 17 Jan 1996 03:50:44 -0500 
>   From: 
>         SuperDove@aol.com
>     To: 
>         jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu
> 
> 
> If you are offering them free of charge, then it is not illegal.  I was only
> assuming that you were selling them since that it was most people do who
> bootleg performances.  What you are talking about are "promo only" copies.
>  
> 


I am re-offering my copy of this now infamous tape to anyone who wishes
to send a 60min or longer casette tape, and the proper return postage
to:

	Jay Busch
	2410 Marymount Ct
	Louisville, KY
	40242

This tape contains the entire Union Jack perfomance from Trancdecence on
12/30/95 (I believe) and approx 20min of Terry Mullan's set at the same
party.  It was recorded on a mini-cassette recorder about 10ft from the
right speaker stack.  Sound quality is OK considering, but you still get
a great feel for the music.

			Jay "He who is worshipped by the natives" Busch
			jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

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>Just relax, he was only joking.  Besides nobody cares what star has to
>say, we all think he's just stupid as the rest of us.
>
>
>BTW that was a joke.
>
>					Jay Busch
>					jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu
>
Yes, let's all settle down here folks.  We are all entitled to our own
opinions.  NOw I know that lenny and star will both be meeting each other
sometime in the near future...(I can just feel it in my body! ;) so let's
make ammends now. :)  If someone wants to judge whether they are going to
attend a party or not by its flier that is their perogative.  I also don't
think it's fair to judge this party just by the fact that you can get
tickets through ticketmaster.  I mean lets face it...most parties, whether
they go through ticketmaster or don't, are no longer "underground".  There
are still those few around which most ppl dont know of but usually, any old
joe or jane can find out about any of the parties that go on around here.
Small parties are great.  There is nothing like the atmosphere and intimacy
of small parties.  But we do need big parties like these once in a while.
So let's stop all this griping about how thigns are getting commercial and
corporate and this and that...parties do not provide the atmosphere, you do.
so if you are gonna go, go and enjoy yourself.  'nuff said. ;)

Lucy/Loosy


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hhhhheyyyyyy you guys?
Don't we have anything else better to talk about than drugs?
*************************************************************

YOU WANT IT.......YOU GOT IT

SEX: OFTEN
GENDER: FEMALE
AGE: 22
OCCUPATION:  COLLEGE STUDENT
DRUG USE: YES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT CRACK AND HEROIN
WHY: I DON'T KNOW, BOREDOM, CURIOSITY, SEEING COOL SHIT
STATUS ON DRUG PHILOSOPHY: ACTUALLY I'VE QUIT EVERYTHING
WHY: I'M A BIG GIRL NOW
WHY: I'M GOING TO BE A TEACHER
WHY: I SHOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD ROLE MODEL
WILL I EVER STOP RAVING: NO
WHY: ITS IN MY SOUL FOREVER
WHY AM I TELLING YOU THIS: I'M BORED
WHO'S MY FAVORITE DJ: ANYONE FROM DETROIT AND TERRY MULLAN

LET'S STOP TALKING ABOUT LAME STUFF AND CHILL THE FUCK OUT!

HOPE YOUR SURVEY RESULTS MAKE YOU MUCHO HAPPY
BYE 
HAVE FUN THIS WEEKEND EVERYONE
Becky

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> 1) the reason for 17 and over is for obvious curfew violations, no one said 
> how strictly they will card but it must be advertised as a 17 and over 
> event in order to prevent any problems.
In my experience the carding usually done by the promoters (unless 
it's at Metro or some place like that) and as long as it looks like 
they're trying nobody cares.  However, I would wait to buy tickets at 
the door if you are under 17.

Chris  


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> 
> > INFERNO sounds like bad juice.  This is the 5th party in recent 
> > history where you could get your tickets at Ticketmaster...
> > 
Who cares where you get your tickets from?  If you don't want to give 
ticketmaster money (which makes sense) don't buy them from 
ticketmaster, buy them from the mappoint.  
Moreover, it's not EASY to have your tickets go through ticketmaster. 
You have to go through a lot to show you are legit.  Right there, 
that a plus to Vibonauts.  
One more thing, there is no way you can call this a commercial event. 
If it was, Westbam would be DJing, Bad Boy Bill would be.  And, I'm 
pretty sure this event is being advertised the same way most events 
are, at parties.  

Chris  
 











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In a similar vein:

My pal works on Alaskan fishing boats and works 16 hour shifts of pure
physical labor with no breaks  (hey, no labor laws out there
at sea...). The Japaneese captains pass out "go-go juice" to workers
to keep them "up".

kewl

mike


On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, michael mccusty wrote:

> evidently, there is now an herbal alternative to crystal called "go!", sold
> like herbal e/bliss/utopia/cloud 9/what-have-you.  anyone know what this is
> like?  i'd be interested to know.  haven't seen it for sale at parties and

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>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:17:49 -0600 (CST)
>From: Mouse Honmyhr <swank@execpc.com>
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>To: Shannon Magnani <blitz@execpc.com>
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>
>could you please fwd this for me? thanks!!
>
>
>ok first of all if you smoke and then you get cancer you really cant
>bitch about it cuz all the cartons warn you...
>
>ladybust.
>
>WARNING: INFERNO
>so here is my point. inferno, granted i dont know the promoters nor their
>intentions. i am sure all they want to do is to throw a BIG party and all
>the power to them however i would much rather support the underground nd
>go to mars 2027. here are the reasons why..
>FLYERS:
>as i think star put it   the flyers make GREAT butt mats. i too have used
>them for this. imho if a flyer cant fit in my back pocet w/o getting
>smoooshed than it is too big, same with zines. the mars flyer is the
>right size and looks rad. i mean  a flyer is the face of the party and
>all. i know its neet to collect them and hang them on yo9ur wall ect..
>but  wake up.. hello.. big colorful glossy flyers are expensive..maybe if
>promoters spent less on flyers they could cut the cost of the parties
>down. ie PEPCID AC. that was a PHAT party and for only 8 bucks. plus the
>flyer fit in my back pocket. even the new years flyers werent that big.
>before you know it parties will be advertised onbillboards driving down
>interstate 94!!
>PROMOTERS:
>rganted i dont know the peopl throwing inferno, but i do know the people
>throwing mars. network 10/freebass has done alot for the milwaukee
>scene.  and contrary to belief milwaukee has a good scene. n10/fb has
>thrown free parties, cheap parties both with great line ups, attempted to
>bring back the warehouses. plus i also happen to know that n10/fb is not
>in this to make money, but because the "underground rave scene" is
>something that they honestly care about.
>PRICE:
>well ticket master you will get refunded if something goes wrong. nice
>safeguard, nice commercialization. gosh wally i like i good safe rave. i
>heard theres a great one at the metrodome in mpls this weekend.  with
>mars2027ad you can get in for as low as 8 bucks (canned food and otat card).
>part of raves that i have always liked is the uncertainty and risk
>involved in it.  if i wanted safe i would go to a club abd go home.
>THE FUTURE:
>i think that the toronto example was the best. is this how you would like
>things to become? well i dont think we have much of a choice anymore. its
>happening all over right now and soon the mid-west will be the same.talk
>to people n the east and west coats. many will tell you how lucky we are
>to still be able to have non commercial raves. yet we are throwing this
>away. the midwest has a srtong scene but we need to stick together and
>not be separated by this commercialization. we chuckle at how tv portrays
>raves yet  take a step back and look, isnt this somewhat true? maybe a
>few years ago it wasnt but now....rave at the peach pit. well i will quit
>lecturing you. think abvout it before you support a party this weekend. i
>know i am going to support the underground and go to mars 2027ad. i think
>i will go eat a bowl of inferno for breakfat now =P
>
>love ya'll oooodles and ooooodles
>mouse
>
>****************************keep*it*underground*****************************
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24 FEBRUARY Saturday             CHICAGO                    INVASION

                                 U . R .

                       I   N   V   A   S   I   O   N

                        "our house is your house"

  J   A   C   K     T   H   E     N   A   T   I   O   N      1   9   9   5

The time has arrived.  The Midwest Underground unites to break the walls that
have held us back for so long.  We dream of a brighter day.  No longer can we
afford to be ignorant.  We must learn of the music around us and appreciate
what we have.  It may not last forever...The new day begins now!

 THE MOTHERSHIP LANDS ON 02.24......................................JACK.


             ------------------from Detroit------------------

                      ...via Underground Resistance...
                     * J A M E S   P E N N I N G T O N *
                          aka the SUBURBAN KNIGHT
        
                         * D J   R O L A N D O *
                           (UR Tactical Unit)

                     ...first live US performance...
                            * A U X   8 8 *
                          via Submerge/430 West

                        * B L A K E   B A X T E R *
                           (The Prince Returns)

                             * K. H A N D *
                              via Atlanta
                     
             ---------------Chicago's Underground-------------

* R O Y   D A V I S  *  A R M A N D O  *  S T E V E   P O I N D E X T E R  * 
   *  T R A X X  *  R O B E R T   A R M A N I  *  R U S H  *  G . U .  *
* G E N E   F A R R I S  *  D A V E Y   D A V E  *  M Y S T I C   B I L L  *
           *  T I M   H A R P E R  *  B O O   W I L L I A M S   *
    
                               stay tuned...
        


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   Contact is Eminent...

   SATURDAY March 2, 1996 - MADISON, WI

   EROTISHOCK PRESENTS: 
          
   *                 *       ******************       *****************
   *                 *       *                        *               *
   *                 *       **************           *               *
   *                 *       *                        *               *
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      "The 14 Hour Festival of Music & Friendship Throughout the Cosmos"


   #####\             _             /#####               
   #( )# |          _( )__         | #( )#    _@_/" \_9_/"  |_e_/" "\_Q_/"
   ##### |         /_    /         | #####   / }}    ( )      }}     ( )      
   #" "# |     ___m/I_ //_____     | #" "#     \\    //       \\     //
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   Leading the Extra-Terrestrial Rhythm Ceremony:

  
                                 Los Angeles's                         
   
                                     DORAN                              
                (Rampant Records LA, The Gathering San Francisco)          


                                  Baltimore's 

                                  SCOTT HENRY
                           (Fever, Buzz, Sunday Mass)


                                 Los Angeles's                               
 
                                 ERIC DAVENPORT         
                                (Bassex Records)    


                               on four turntables

                       DAN EFEX       &      CHAD MINDRIVE
                      (Chicago)           (Erotishock Madison)
                            


                     Madison's                 Chicago's
                                
                     PETERBILT                   DIZ
                   (Erotishock)               (Red Dog)
  
  
  
           CLASSIFIED:  100% Virgin Top Secret Underground Warehouse
         Astral Lazer Assault to Defend the Planet and Melt Your Brain
                 Massive Sonic Bass Quazar by Diversified Audio


                 For Cosmic Sightings, Inspiration, Guidance...
                        
     _@_/~ \_9_/~                                            |_e_/~~\_Q_/~
    / }}    ( )      Madison-Erotishock.......608.258.0003     }}    ( ) 
   ~  \\    //       Milwaukee-Drop Bass......414.777.3998     \\    //  
      //    \\       Chicago-Core.............312.509.6334     //    \\  
      ~~    ~~       St. Louis................314.995.9518     ~~    ~~  
                
                                             
       Through the sacred ritual of dance we shall unite all life-forms
       throughout the universe - guiding the intergalactic tribe toward
                        eternal peace, love, & Unity.



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   Contact is Eminent...

   SATURDAY March 2, 1996 - MADISON, WI

   EROTISHOCK PRESENTS: 
          
   *                 *       ******************       *****************
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      "The 14 Hour Festival of Music & Friendship Throughout the Cosmos"


   #####\             _             /#####               
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   Leading the Extra-Terrestrial Rhythm Ceremony:

  
                                 Los Angeles's                         
   
                                     DORAN                              
                (Rampant Records LA, The Gathering San Francisco)          


                                  Baltimore's 

                                  SCOTT HENRY
                           (Fever, Buzz, Sunday Mass)


                                 Los Angeles's                               
 
                                 ERIC DAVENPORT         
                                (Bassex Records)    


                               on four turntables

                       DAN EFEX       &      CHAD MINDRIVE
                      (Chicago)           (Erotishock Madison)
                            


                     Madison's                 Chicago's
                                
                     PETERBILT                   DIZ
                   (Erotishock)               (Red Dog)
  
  
  
           CLASSIFIED:  100% Virgin Top Secret Underground Warehouse
         Astral Lazer Assault to Defend the Planet and Melt Your Brain
                 Massive Sonic Bass Quazar by Diversified Audio


                 For Cosmic Sightings, Inspiration, Guidance...
                        
     _@_/~ \_9_/~                                            |_e_/~~\_Q_/~
    / }}    ( )      Madison-Erotishock.......608.258.0003     }}    ( ) 
   ~  \\    //       Milwaukee-Drop Bass......414.777.3998     \\    //  
      //    \\       Chicago-Core.............312.509.6334     //    \\  
      ~~    ~~       St. Louis................314.995.9518     ~~    ~~  
                
                                             
       Through the sacred ritual of dance we shall unite all life-forms
       throughout the universe - guiding the intergalactic tribe toward
                        eternal peace, love, & Unity.



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 17 16:05:23 1996
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I don't think I am going to inferno just because of the price I am trying to
restrict myself to only going to parties that are 15 bucks or less. And if
you think about it 15 is a lot considering the fact that you are taking the
chance of having the party you go to get busted. Plus why should I give the
promoters and ticketmaster my money I f they can't even put together a decent
flyer. I mean if a flyer looks like that what are you supposed to expect out
of the rave. I just don't want to gamble away my twenty bucks

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Pfft, all I got to say is 'herbal E' can be found under another name for
about 2 bucks at gas stations across the usa.  'GO' is just a big caffiene
pill nutn' more.  Have done both (GO!, Bliss, Herbal E, Utopia) many of
times.  One thing I have found out is, the shit isn't worth taken unless you
take two dosages.. Otherwise all it will do is give you a slight sensation,
and a little rush of energy.. BUT REMEMBER, I have found the same stuff for
.75 - 2.00 at gas stations..

John

Ohh yeah, when you buy a package of the stuff that contains 5 pills, YOU
TAKE ALL FIVE PILLS..


At 03:29 PM 1/17/96 -0500, michael mccusty wrote:
>okay, seeing the herbal e posts reminded me of a question i had.
>evidently, there is now an herbal alternative to crystal called "go!", sold
>like herbal e/bliss/utopia/cloud 9/what-have-you.  anyone know what this is
>like?  i'd be interested to know.  haven't seen it for sale at parties and
>prolly wouldn't do it anyhoo.  never taken any herbal e of any sort, don't
>really know why...
>
>love, luck, and lollipops,
>michael
>allroy
>
>**************************************************************************
>"where's that voice coming from?
> from.....from *nowhere*??!?"
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I am a depraved psyco-artist and I'm interested in lending my talents to
anyone looking for someone to design flyers for their partys. I do custom
work or, if you dare, let my warped mind loose. I guarantee, you've never
seen anything like it before.  I'm considering doing this for FREE, so talk
me into it.  If anyone is interested, E-Mail me. tanx..<----HI ON
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I am a depraved psyco-artist and I'm interested in lending my talents to
anyone looking for someone to design flyers for their partys. I do custom
work or, if you dare, let my warped mind loose. I guarantee, you've never
seen anything like it before.  I'm considering doing this for FREE, so talk
me into it.  If anyone is interested, E-Mail me. tanx..<----HI ON
+*+*+*+*Like some new language,reaching your head with the cold, sudden fury
of a divine messenger<--J. Morrisson+*+*+*+*+*+


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 17 17:27:32 1996
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Eric:

> On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Professor Earache wrote:
> 
> > Is anyone else here sick of fucking arena raves?
> 
> In Toronto most of the raves go through Ticketmaster. They have 
> incredible line-ups, big name DJs (most English jungle DJs), and 
> incredible lights. They average several thousand people on a weekly 
> basis, unfortunately most of those people are just your average people 
> who are looking for a place to hangout and get wasted. In short the 
> parties suck. 
> Its kind of weird, the fact that most parties are huge and commercial 
> there has forced another underground scene to develop. There are small 
> parties that are basically promoted by word of mouth that get all the 
> people that actually are into the music but were scared away by the 
> commercial crap. These parties are some of the best I've been to.

I don't think there's much weirdness in there.

It's a matter of looking at a particular level of detail.  Or subset.
People that go to clubs are a subset of the majority.  They want some
special place to go to have fun.  Raver/punks are a subset of this.  They're
looking for an even more special place to have fun.  The even tighter,
smaller subset of "more underground" is looking for the same thing as the
other two groups.  In a big way, they're all the same... a like-minded group
of individuals that like to get together with people they feel are like
themselves.

And if you haven't seen it yet, that smaller scene exists now, here. 
These have most always proved to be the events that keep me doing what I'm
doing here.  


-- 
Craig L. Stodolenak
archon@acid.com

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 For a last minute alternative to the corporate raves happening this 
weekend, try this little event being held Saturday January 20th in Toledo 
(yes, Toledo) Ohio.
	                	SOUL SOURCE
		
				DJ Lineup to include:

				OMEGAMAN  (aka DJ Boomer)

				SLEEPY C

				DEZ

				K2

			happening at the La Garza complex on Broadway
			info line 727-8158
			Sponsored by Divas in Ecstacy

	As a side note, I'm sure there are those of you out there who 
have heard about the disproportionate number of shady promoters throwing 
lame parties in Toledo. This is an attempt to change everyone's opinion 
once and for all about the state of the scene in Northwest Ohio. Come on 
out and dance with us!!! Bring your smiles and your vibe, we'll do the 
rest...

			p.s. I lost my copy of the flyer so I was winging 
it. excuse the mess.
                                    Sspoore
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 17 17:50:16 1996
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  So, is anyone actually going to Inferno?

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From: THE GOD OF ALL GODS <davisi@odo.msoe.edu>
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i pulled this off of GRID on hyperreal

THE TRIP TO MARS

Jan 19 1996   night before mars 2027

price is $3 w/invite and $5 without invite

dj lineup

KARMA ONE
AFROMAN
GARGAMELLE
ARCTIC
XL
COREY LOVE
DMF
DEON
DELINQUENT
DJ Q
3
COREY KUBLICK

location:  southern wisconsin

this a large house party      two rooms   one ambient and the second main 
event room


414.256.1382



i called the line and they said it is going on

anyways since i heard equal was sold out i anit got tickets  i guess if 
anyone would be kind enough to give me a ride to this fine event i would 
be grateful   if it is far i would be willing to chip in gas money
thanks

mikey davis
davisi@odo.msoe.edu


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just thought everyone might be interested in this....i forwarded it from
the so-cal raves list


>From: Troy Sheets <tsheets@chaph.usc.edu>
>Subject: We are not alone.
>To: abducted@schwa.org
>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:38:54 -0800 (PST)
>Cc: socal-raves@UCSD.EDU
>
>
>This could be the big one... this could be it...
>
>from Pathfinder's News Now:
>
>SAN ANTONIO, Texas (Reuter) - U.S. space scientists said Wednesday they had
>discovered two new planets whose environments might be able to support life.
>
>The giant planets, 35 light-years away from Earth, are thought to have surface
>conditions that would allow the formation of water in liquid form, and
>therefore, life.
>
>"Life is now possible. There is a harbor, a site, on which life might form,"
>Geoffrey Marcy, the San Francisco State University astrophysicist who made the
>discovery, told Reuters after a presentation at the annual meeting of the
>American Astronomical Society.
>
>"We watched 'Star Wars.' We watched 'Star Trek.' And ('Star Trek' captain)
>Jean-Luc Picard had no trouble finding planets, but we professionals did,"
>he said. "And now, finally, there's a site for Jean-Luc and for
>extraterrestrial life."
>
>Using the 120-inch telescope at the University of California's Lick
>Observatory near San Jose, Marcy and fellow researcher Paul Butler discovered
>the new planets in the Virgo and Ursa Majoj constellations. Both are bigger
>than Jupiter and visible to the naked eye.
>
>One of the planets is thought to have a surface temperature of 185 degrees
>Fahrenheit, below water's boiling point of 212 degrees Fahrenheit.
>
>"That's cool enough to permit complex molecules to exist, ranging from carbon
>dioxide to complicated organic molecules," Marcy said. "This planet could
>conceivably have rain or even oceans."
>
>The other, at a distance from its sun comparable to that of Earth from its
>sun, appears to have a region in its atmosphere which would allow liquid
>water, the scientists reported.
>
>The planet, too, is in a solar system that most resembled that of Earth.
>
>"The exciting part is we found the planets where water could exist. And we
>know on Earth wherever we find water, we find life. That gets the mind
>thinking," said NASA administrator Daniel Goldin.
>
>Marcy said that radio astronomers in Australia and Puerto Rico were getting
>ready to turn their radio telescopes toward the two planets to search for
>life.
>
>"What's possible, of course, is that the radio telescopes will detect radio
>signals from any civilizations, advanced life, that might be living on those
>planets if they use radio technology like we do," Marcy said.
>
>"Now, our radio astronomy friends can go out and search for life with these
>known targets in mind," he said.
>
>
>
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>
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 17 20:09:29 1996
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Hehehe ... you all are so easy to rile up I can almost do it with my 
eyes closed... ;P

Actually, Craig was dead on in an even-tempermental way that I admire 
and wish I could adapt for my own personal communication.

But, hey, I like being a grumpy, whiney fukfase.

All I ask is that you contrast the warmth of small, tightly packed, 
out of control parties with the coldness of convention center 
parties.  I'd pick 1000 Spark parties versus 1000 Closer parties 
(Spark was a lovely small dig and Closer was the New Year's *wake me 
when it's over* mega-monster-truck-pull-party).

Language, mmmmm, nothing finer.

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I'll be at inferno.

peace

NEt meet??

tony

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Subject: Murderous
From: K. Meier, kmeier@interaccess.com
Date: 17 Jan 1996 05:08:09 GMT
In article <4di07p$fca@nntp.interaccess.com> K. Meier,
kmeier@interaccess.com writes:
>many thanks to all that came out this past sunday for murderous.  there
>will be a follow up event in a similar vein on the ninth of february
>(tentative).
>
>here's the information:
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Semiconscious Liberation Army bring you:
>
>POWER-PAC  (pre-flyer)
>
>friday, february 9th, 1996
>glen ellyn, IL on the corner of park and roosevelt roads
>30 minutes from chicago
>$5 donation at the door
>6pm until 3am; after midnight 17+ after hours
>
>line up as follows (also tentative):
>
>6-7 Kid Entropy from the Semiconcious Liberation Army on the jungle tip.
>7-8 Jeff Broderick of Starlight Productions on the jazz tip.
>8-9 Jiminy Cricket Version 2.0/Submerge uplifting disco house vibes.
>9-10 Acid Man Al wreckin shop with his lethal brand of house.
>11-12 Ken Meier independent; Murderous/Semiconscious Crew minimal detroit
>style.
>12-1 Karl Meier independent; Murderous/Semiconscious Crew house and
>techno.
>1-2 Deformities of the Mind LIVE PA  bringing you ambient soundscapes.
>2-3 Jeff Gillman independent; Murderous/Semiconscious Crew with the new
>electronica.
>
>For directions and further updates dial 708-612-9639 for the
>Semiconscious Liberation Army.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Other events to keep your ears peeled for:
>
>February 2nd @ Double Door:  Slack Crusade brought to you by the Church
>of the Subgenius and the Semiconscious Liberation Army.  djs to include
>Kid Entropy and Jeff Broderick.   Tickets avaiable thru Ticketmaster.
>Call SCLA at 708-612-9639 for futher info.
>
>February 17th in Joliet, IL (pre-flyer):  2 rooms of sound, 6 hours, 8
>dollars...Heart and Soul productions along with SCLA are throwing a party
>with djs to include: hugo moya, phil free art, slak, 3d, snuggles, kid
>entropy, jeff broderick, jeff gillman, and ken and karl meier.  call
>Heart and Soul at 815-773-4360 or Semiconscious Liberation Army at
>708-612-9639 closer to the day of the event for directions and further
>information.
>
>Date TBA in a location 30 minutes from the city:  Semiconscious
>Liberation Army bring you HIGH ROLLERS with Kid Entropy's first ever live
>drum n' bass performance, djs tba.
>A unique dub and drum n' bass lineup.  Keep in touch with Semiconscious
>Liberation Army @ 708-612-9639.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Questions and comments should be directed toward either:
>
>Semiconscious Liberation Army @ 708-612-9639
>Heart and Soul Productions @ 815-773-4360
>or Starlight Productions
>
>email: kmeier@interaccess.com



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 17 21:56:25 1996
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If you've sent club and/or radio event info to me in the recent past
you might want to check the current calendar to see if said info is
also current.  Also, if something you used to do has changed in any way, 
shape or form, let me know.  Send me what is needed and I'll update it
the next time around on the calendar.

Oh...   sorry for the old e-fliers at the beginning of this week's 
calendar.  I guess I just can't get the hang of this new editor.

Have a fun/safe weekend!



- stevenJ
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stevenj@hyperreal.com

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 17 22:03:06 1996
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THE GOD OF ALL GODS <davisi@odo.msoe.edu> said...
> 
> anyways since i heard equal was sold out i anit got tickets  i guess if 
> anyone would be kind enough to give me a ride to this fine event i would 
> be grateful   if it is far i would be willing to chip in gas money
> thanks

Is this true, the party is already sold out?


- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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Forwarded message:
> From: PebblesOH@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:04:20 -0500
> Subject: columbus party on 1-14
> 
> I saw ed's post that mentioned the two free parties in columbus last weekend
> and i just wanted to add my own mini review of the second party of the set.
> 
> I had no intention of going to either of these parties, actually i had
> planned on going to chicago on sunday, but at about 11pm me and a bunch of
> other cleveland kids jumped in my car and turned on the radar detector.  A
> few hours later i woke up from a nice nap to find us in columbus.  The party
> was in the basement of an apartment building(or at least that what i think it
> was :) )  After making my way through crowds and dark hallways i entered the
> main room to solid people.  There were so many people there that it was
> nearly impossible to enter the main room, and the party was so good that no
> one wanted to leave that room. 
> 
> The music was great.  Unfortunately i can not recite the specifics of how
> each dj blew me away because i really just didn't know who was spinning when,
> and everyone i asked knew as little as myself.  Some highlights for me were:
> one dj threw "prepare to flash" into his set around 4am and got the whole
> place pulsing with a huge phat base, not a soul sat that one out.  Hum, its
> been a couple days since the party, and i am suffering from severe sleep
> deprivation... so i just can't seem to think of what i can say without
> knowing who each dj was.  Every set was huge.  
> 
> I will humbly admit that i am one of those people that just doesn't find
> herself dancing to jungle, but a couple of guys got up that night and spun
> jungle in their sets that even i couldn't hold back from.  I had thought the
> party was going to be strictly jungle, but to my surprise and delight there
> was an examplory combination of all different types of dance music.  
> 
> Everyone there was lost in this wild vibe.  If anything, the one thing that i
> felt was in the least unappealing to me personally about the party was the
> feeling that the people there all knew each other very well and at first a
> lot of people were merely standing around talking only to their friends.  But
> once the vibe had taken everyone into the music, everyone was smiling at
> everyone else, talking to perfect stangers, fun stuff like that.  So, really
> i can't complain at all, the party was great!  It was unfortunate however
> that people kept tripping over the cords and turning off the system, each
> time that happened it was disappointing - but it was also gave people a
> chance to stop dancing and look around and experience the vibe that had been
> created in that small basement room that was literally dripping from all the
> ice and snow melting outside.  
> 
> I used to go to parties and lose control of my body for hours, i would dance
> from the moment i got there till i colapsed about 7 hours later and went
> home.  I haven't done that in a while, (mostly due to my crappy physical
> shape) but last sunday i just couldn't hold back.  I danced and i danced,
> then i found some water and danced some more.  It was a great party.  Its
> nice to see a party that was not some huge financial investment decorated
> with extravagent light shows and expensive locations, turn out just as phat.
> 
> so my point is - i am glad i ended up in columbus on sunday night, it was
> most definitely worth the drive!  Ill be watching for any upcoming columbus
> events!
> 
> lots of luv
> leah
> 


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Ok Kidz here is the final line-up for Mar.9th......

Catalyst & ATP Bring Ya:
 
STOMP! 
Saturday March 9th Chicago

World Famous DJ's

IAN POOLEY-Germany
Force Inc./Definitive/AFU Recording artist
First Ever U.S. Appearance!!

The Stickmen-Toronto
Stickman/Strictly Rhythm Records
First Ever Midwest appearance!
Greg & Paul will be spinning an extended Tag Team Set!

John Acquaviva-London, Ontario
Plus 8/Definitive Records
Back by Popular Demand!! Special Morning DiscoHouse Set!!

DJ ESP (Woody McBride)
Communique/Sounds Records
The master of the Monotonal Groove himself! HardAcid Master!
!*New addition to the already slammin' line-up*!

Terry Mullan-Chicago
Catalyst/Definitive/Communique Recordings
NewJack Come Lately...

Sleepy C-Cleveland
Psychoactive/Definitive Records
TechnoHaus Master!!

DJ Hyperactive-Chicago
Hybrid/Contact Records
The Samoan Acid Stomper Himself!!

Plus another surprise headliner!!

Stay Tuned for further Info & look out for the flyer Soon!


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On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:

> 
> Is this true, the party is already sold out?
> 
> 
> - stevenJ
> in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
> stevenj@hyperreal.com
> 
thats just what i heard from a friend  i am going to call the presale 
sight tommorrow morning and confirm it     the party was limited to 1000  
people and thats not that many

i am most likely goiing to  TRIP TO MARS

anyways so...   have fun and the number for the presale sight if you 
wanna call  is   414-272-3707


seeya
mikey davis
davisi@odo.msoe.edu
 from
the milwaukee society of epileptics


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At 03:31 PM 1/17/96 CST, CmC <CHRISTOPHER-MCCREIGHT@Augustana.edu> wrote:
>
>Moreover, it's not EASY to have your tickets go through ticketmaster. 
>You have to go through a lot to show you are legit.  Right there, 
>that a plus to Vibonauts.  

My understanding is that Ticketmaster, when they make a contract with
a venue, carry all tickets for all public events for that venue, no matter
if Don King or Pee Wee Herman put events on at that venue.

Now certainly, I think that Ticketmaster would have no problem doing a
one-off event, but I'd imagine the price would be higher than what they'd
contract for a year's worth of services.




Andrew
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Okay, I heard that all the PRE-SALE tickets are sold out.. But I am sure
they will have a selected number of tickets for sale.. during the day.

1.  If you miss this party you are dumb
2.  The space is only capable for holding 900 people (i believe, I use to
work there)
    This means that this party is going to be really moving because the
capacity is almost filled.. There will be no room for idiots to sit on the
floor and groop. ;)
3.  PROTOTYPE 909, DAVE HOLLANDS, EFEX.. Good down to earth people spinning,
no SUPERSTARS or shit like that...

WHY YOU SHOULD GO TO MARS!
1.  Milwaukee really needs this party, good original line up and I am sure
the vibe will be thick..
2.  Network 10 has had there lows and highs in the last two years, Eric is
one of the nicest guys around, he isn't in it for the money.. if he was, I
am sure he would have thrown away his rave cloths and moved onto better things..
3.  You won't have to use MOmmy's credit card to get your tickets, that will
cost you unbelievable ammounts of money, so you can sit in a big arena, and
say to yerself!  When is AC/DC coming on.



The reason why I am supporting this partys is because I have watched them
from the beginning, I know the people throwing them, and they are doing it
the best way, with the most midwest flava I have scene in a long time.. 

Now for those of you who sit there and say, "Yer not true to yer scene if
you go to Inferno" but go to the MARS preparty instead of Equal are not
being true to yer scene either.. well in my book.... Why?  Because don't you
think you support fellow people in your scene instead of supporting
yourself?  They will and I believe are going to support you, or do politics
fall into this one.. oh but now since we have two parties going on in one
weekend, we have an excuse to act like all the stupid fucks in Chicago.  

John, milwaukee massive

At 10:03 PM 1/17/96 -0800, Steven J White wrote:
>THE GOD OF ALL GODS <davisi@odo.msoe.edu> said...
>> 
>> anyways since i heard equal was sold out i anit got tickets  i guess if 
>> anyone would be kind enough to give me a ride to this fine event i would 
>> be grateful   if it is far i would be willing to chip in gas money
>> thanks
>
>Is this true, the party is already sold out?
>
>
>- stevenJ
>in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
>stevenj@hyperreal.com
>
>


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i have heard rumors of some sorta get together/party there on the 20th and
wondered if anyone would care to confirm or deny these rumors.

peace and quiet,
darrik


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> > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:20:38 -0500 (EST)
> > From: danFREELove <freelove@access.digex.net>
> > Subject: NR: Tickets & Addendum
> > 
> > Some more information on the tickets.  First, tickets will be available at
> > the door.  I know alot of people are travelling for this and I don't want
> > to have people show up and not be able to get in.  I prefer that people
> > get tickets before hand as it means we can get more done before the party
> > (travel expenses, party necessities, more stuff at the gathering). 
> > Second, tickets and flyers will be sent out to the local sellersin the
> > middle of next week.  Jason/Method1 is handling the mailing.  Here is a
> > short and incomplete list of who is handling tickets in various areas: 
> > 
> > Boston:			Neith
> > Upstate NY:		Phat-O
> > Upstate NY/Roving:	SarahS
> > New York City:		John Speakman
> > Philadelphia:		Nigel Richards/611 Records
> > Baltimore/Roving:	Spike
> > DC/Baltimore/Via Mail:	danFREELove
> > Richmond:		Jason/Method1
> > North Carolina:		Rob Rarousse
> > Atlanta:		Mike Polmah
> > 
> > I will post a complete list (with contact info) as soon as I am done
> > contacting and arranging things.  This is a preliminary list, I have about
> > 3 other people I waiting on.  Also, van trip organizers will have tickets
> > available. 
> > 
> > I am also looking for someone who can do a tea/water/smart drink/soda 
> > bar at reasonable prices.  Water is available in the bathrooms, but I 
> > cant really afford to prepurchase all the supplies necessary.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > ,._-_  < \, \\/\  _-_        __ freelove@access.digex.net ~~~~~---____Peace
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> 

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There's a Nocturna party on Friday at the usual location (Tyndall Armory, 
711 N. Pennsylvania Ave.)  Call (317) 895-4546 for DJ line-up.  Starts 
around  midnight.  $6 at the door.

 - Rob Campanell (robcamp@indy.net)
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>3. 
> You won't have to use MOmmy's credit card to get your tickets, that
> will cost you unbelievable ammounts of money, so you can sit in a
> big arena, and say to yerself!  When is AC/DC coming on.

Ahahaha ... right on.

earache
Professor Earache
=================>
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Wholey shit!  Look at the line up on this one.  Fuckin ian pooley!  WOW!
This isnt going to be another bowling alley is it?  For anyone out there, 
this is almost a dream line up!  Could this be better than Planet Djax?

dan

> Catalyst & ATP Bring Ya:
> STOMP! 
> Saturday March 9th Chicago
> IAN POOLEY-Germany
> Force Inc./Definitive/AFU Recording artist
> First Ever U.S. Appearance!!
> 
> The Stickmen-Toronto
> Stickman/Strictly Rhythm Records
> First Ever Midwest appearance!
> Greg & Paul will be spinning an extended Tag Team Set!
> 
> John Acquaviva-London, Ontario
> Plus 8/Definitive Records
> Back by Popular Demand!! Special Morning DiscoHouse Set!!
> 
> DJ ESP (Woody McBride)
> Communique/Sounds Records
> The master of the Monotonal Groove himself! HardAcid Master!
> !*New addition to the already slammin' line-up*!
> 
> Terry Mullan-Chicago
> Catalyst/Definitive/Communique Recordings
> NewJack Come Lately...
> 
> Sleepy C-Cleveland
> Psychoactive/Definitive Records
> TechnoHaus Master!!
> 
> DJ Hyperactive-Chicago
> Hybrid/Contact Records
> The Samoan Acid Stomper Himself!!
--------------------------------
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Well, if anyone going would like to plan a net meet, let us converge on 
the smart bar at 1am.  Dont forget to mark yourself w/ some kind of name 
tag for easy recognition.

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Just for everyone's information.  I just talked to joe and tickets are 
not sold out.  The original allotment of pre-sale tickects sold out, but 
more have been added, they will be on sale until 7 pm.  Tickets will be 
available at the door.  
see everyone there.

tim


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan 18 09:39:52 1996
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	All.-

	Well, with all of the talks about Equal being sold out and all, I
	mean I'm really not sure that I'll be able to go now considering 
	I won't be able to get my ticket till tomorrow. Icky. But, I'll 
	try my hardest to make it there. So, what about a net meet or some-
	thing like that? Maybe dinner or something beforehand? 

	

					Peace out,
					   Ramylson

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	 You just have the notion of making something. And that's what saves
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From: Daniel/ Dj 0977 <robi@coe.missouri.edu>
To: mw-raves <mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com>
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I have been under the impression that this is Rolla, Missouri's first "rave."
For all those interested in supproting the scene where ever it may 
spread, then please find your way to central Missouri for HOME. 

HOME


Date: 96/02/03
Time: 
Price: only $5 at the door!!!!!!
DJ Lineup: 

      DEVIL GIRL*st. louis 
      CYLERT*st. louis 
      STAR*chicago 
      DJ ROBI (aka DJ 0977)*columbia 
      PIXEL*columbia 
      P.J.*hip hop baby! 
      ROGER*ambient and trance! 
      XJN*hardcore 
      and the first appearance of DEEP PURPLE*rolla 
      plus many more djs to be announced very soon! 

Location: ROLLA, MISSOURI 
Phone #s: for information and directions call YOU AND ME PRODUCTIONS at
314-364-8188! 
Other Info: YOU AND ME PRODUCTIONS proudly presents HOME FEBRUARY 3rd
1996 in ROLLA, MISSOURI!DJ's from around the midwest unite in a virgin 
bust free warehouse venue for an all night all right all out techno 
attack. Two rooms of sound including an 11,000 square foot main room. The 
techno explosion experience awaits you at HOME! 
ONLY $5 at the door!  Party will begin promptly at 11 p.m. and last until at
least 7 a.m. 
For those who don't know rolla is only 1&1/2 hours from both 
St. Louis and Columbia! This party is will go off all night long, 100%. 
Call 314-364-8188 for info and directions!
(And now that central missouri has expanded in population so much in the 
past few years, the new area code is 573, and 314 shall be phased out in 
the next 6 months.  Both currently work!)

--------------------------------
Daniel Smith - Dj 0977
Solid State - DJ Pro shop & Promotions (314) or (573) 442-0977/499-0783 
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> >the new planets in the Virgo and Ursa Majoj constellations. Both are bigger
> >than Jupiter and visible to the naked eye.
> >Marcy said that radio astronomers in Australia and Puerto Rico were getting
> >ready to turn their radio telescopes toward the two planets to search for
> >life.

i read somewhere that if it were possible for the average person 2 be
on jupiter, they would weigh something like 500lb. because jupiter is
so huge that it has a lot of gravity which would crush a person. so
these planets should have even more gravity so people probably can't
go 2 them. conversely (word-of the day!), if aliens came from there 2
earth, they might explode from a lack of pressure...unless (hopefully)
they're really advanced or they have spacesuits 2 keep it from 
happening. anyway, this is really cool...aliens! i can't wait!
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Be on the lookout for the new definition of mental bassrape..

I N S A N I T Y     S Y R I N G E 
=======================
A split mix tape featuring a West Coast vs East Coast flavor

Side A: DJ Volume J (Los Angeles/Gabber)
Side B: DJ Speed Demon (Wash DC/Acid Hardhouse-Belgian Techno-German Acid)

90 minutes of a deep whirlpool of madness that will have you drooling like
Pavlov's dog

coming soon
peace

The Sinister Beat Chemist
S.D.

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hey...for those of you that need directions to this thing, i'm helping 
out with net junk for em, please see http://www.umr.edu/~rkumar/home/

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gbaxstro@Phoenix.kent.edu (gREtA BaxStrOM) said...
> 
> i read somewhere that if it were possible for the average person 2 be
> on jupiter, they would weigh something like 500lb. because jupiter is
> so huge that it has a lot of gravity which would crush a person. so
> these planets should have even more gravity so people probably can't
> go 2 them. conversely (word-of the day!), if aliens came from there 2
> earth, they might explode from a lack of pressure...unless (hopefully)
> they're really advanced or they have spacesuits 2 keep it from 
> happening. anyway, this is really cool...aliens! i can't wait!

Who says life on other worlds has to be  1) bipedal,  2) stuck in the same 
physical constraints as human beings or  3) intelligent?


- stevenJ

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i just called phase 2 and he said they physically have 7 tickets  
BUT ARE GETTING MORE

he said there should be more than enough to go around
so go buy them damn tickets at phase II
near the oriental on farwell street  in milwaukee

sorry for the scare

happy raving
and got o   
mars 2027    




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there's this one song that goes: "i am exCITED" that i've heard at
some parties--i don't remember which ones or who was spinning it. 
BUT, does anybody know who it's by or what it's called? thank u 
very much...
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What?  hey, Rollins is pretty cool, but did i miss something?
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If you think you've got 100 years to fuck around you're wrong - you're time
is here, your time is now, it's time to shine.<---Henry Rollins
      +*+*+*+*THINKABOUTIT+*+*+*THERISNOTIMETOWASTE+*+*+*+
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                             +*HI ON+*


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y'all,
Here are my thoughts on life on other planets.  Earth happened to land in a
choice spot for life.  Water can exist in three states, temperatures are not
too extreme....etc.  Space is an amorphous "body" that extends into infinity
as far as I am concerned.  Given this, Other "earth like" life supporting
planets probably have happened to land in a choice orbit around other stars. 
Based on this there are probably an infinite number of planets out there that
can support life.  WHY DON'T WE SEE THEM?  Well, may be the inhabitants of
these planets are only as advanced as us (or even less developed).  Because of
this, they probably have just as hard of a time trying to discover us as we
are they.  Damn, I love talkin about this stuff.....=)

			Dreamcycle

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Dreamcycle said:
>Based on this there are probably an infinite number of planets out there that
>can support life.

There aren't an "infinite" number of planets that can support life because
that 'special orbit' is a little rarer than you think.  It also needs to be
realized that the proper mixture of elements is required to support life.
The planet must be large enough, or the atmosphere will leak into space.
Despite this, I remember reading that in the "worst-case" scenario,
approximately 300,000 planets would be able to support life.

>WHY DON'T WE SEE THEM?  Well, may be the inhabitants of
>these planets are only as advanced as us (or even less developed).  Because of
>this, they probably have just as hard of a time trying to discover us as we
>are they.

In a universal time scale, advanced civilizations could have easily come and
gone without us noticing.  Also, it would take an UNBELIEVABLY high-tech
population to be able to contact us.  The vast distances between stars is
the major problem.  The closest star is light-years away.  With light
travelling at 3x10^8 meters per second and the space shuttle's top velocity
around Mach 25, we're not doing so good. All our explorers would die of old
age before we got close.

adam


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> 
> 	Well, with all of the talks about Equal being sold out and all, I
> 	mean I'm really not sure that I'll be able to go now considering 
> 	I won't be able to get my ticket till tomorrow. Icky. But, I'll 
> 	try my hardest to make it there. So, what about a net meet or some-
> 	thing like that? Maybe dinner or something beforehand? 

if anyone wants to stop by and say hello, i'll be the blond guy behind 
the little table with the disco balls.  I'll be behind there all night, 
so feel free to stop by any time :)

later,
acetate


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from Joe of DynamicGroove  c/o matt/massive

ok, first of all, right now i have no access to my account. my password wont
work and i dont know why. my account is "borrowed" from some internet
ignorant student and im assuming they have discovered it and have re-aquired
it. so, hopefully il have a new legit account soon.

ANYONE WHO HAS SENT ME MAIL IN THE LAST 2 WEEKS CALL THE VOICE MAIL
(414.967.3259) AND RELAY YOUR ORIGNAL MESSAGE. I CANT GET MY MAIL.

second, Equal is *NOT* sold out. the orignal 100 pre-sale tickets are gone.
they included a free tape from Instinct (which we finally have - pick them
up @ the party). we dropped off an additional 100 tickets yesterday - those
are gone too. today i dropped off 200 more. TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE UNTIL
7 PM FRIDAY @ PHASE II. after 7 tickets will be sold at the door until
capacity is reached (legal capacity is 1080). there will be no entery after
2:30. we also suggest coming early so as not to miss any of the talent.

directions will be posted on the voicemail at 7, when the ticket point
closes.

heres the line up:

	9:30-?   ticket sales @ location
	10-11    dj drew
	11-12    jeffery dee
	12-1     efex
	1-2      mike dearborn
	2-3      prototype 909
	3-4      david hollands
	4-5      terry mullan
	5-6      synergy
	6-7      tim krochalk

we had discussed an afterhours, however we've been so busy w/ the party we
havent had time to plan it. it will probably happen, we have a possible
space lined up. look for flyers @ the event to be sure.

i think thats about it, if i get the chance ill post the directions to the
space, or if some kind person can check the voice mail and put the info up
id appreciate it.

see everyone tomorrow...

joe
-- 
massive@mixcom.com

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please, somebody mail me back and tell me equal is not sold out, this will truly RUIN my weekend 
if not my life...  it's a fuckin' friday party, fer chrissakes...

poutingly yours,
-b. echthros

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umm like anyone wanna net meet at mars 2027

if so post
where should we meet   i probably will find anything (hopefully) 
at  2 am

if you want to say high to me   i should either 
a)be dancing  next to the speakers
b)meandering around in a daze


i will be wearing a  D.A.R.E.  to keep kids off drugs shirt
i am kind of a big guy  say 6-2 230 or so   wearing red chucks and i dont 
know what pants yet

if you see me  say  hi arent you mike from mw-raves   my name is  
......... (you fill in the blank)  nice to meet you   

all good
hope to see you all ther buh bye

mikey davis










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On Thu, 18 Jan 1996 GYS_T@CC.DENISON.EDU wrote:

> Based on this there are probably an infinite number of planets out there that
> can support life.  WHY DON'T WE SEE THEM? 

Cuz we would need a telescope about the size of the United States... :)



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On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Adam wrote:

> Despite this, I remember reading that in the "worst-case" scenario,
> approximately 300,000 planets would be able to support life.

wasn't this bumped up when we saw there were at least 5 times the 
galaxies we thought there were? 

> In a universal time scale, advanced civilizations could have easily come and
> gone without us noticing.

Or maybe they visited, some of us saw them, but the rest of us didn't 
believe it?

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The Dogon tribe from Africa have known for 4,000 years
about the existence of Sirius B, the dark star.   Euro-science
has only discovered it this century, and couldn't see it with
a telescope until later in the century.   The Dogon also know its
exact weight, and the period of its revolution.   These are of course
complex calculations.
The reason they know this, they explain, is that aliens visited them
4,000 years ago and told them.

You have 3 choices :

The Dogon are lucky guessers
The Dogon were in fact visited by aliens from Sirius
or  I'm lying to you.


Have fun !


p.s. I'm not lying to you.

  Over and Out.

==================================================
Chris Sattinger                                                            
     
                                    Reprogramming Our Reality Through Disco

Communique, Synewave, Probe, Sounds, Head In the Clouds
                              
================================================



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan 19 00:14:44 1996
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From: eluna <eluna@coil.com>
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well aside from the fact that i think science is just as "interpretive" 
and "subjective" as any other human activity (in other words you shouldnt 
believe everything you read), i think it's a big waste of time imagining 
what aliens are and what they might be doing.  space is so big, i dont 
think anyone even knows about us.  i also happen to think that the 
so-called "alien visitations" which are currently in vogue are nothing 
like what we think they are.  i think there IS something going on with 
that, but i doubt they are travelers from afar.

think about it...there are other kinds of travel.  consider the 
possibility, for example, of "inner" rather than "outer" space.  also, 
consider relativity...i think our so-called "scientific" vision of the 
universe is terribly inadequate and we arent going to get the answers 
from science.  not the real ones, anyway.  why?  because it's too 
complex, and as i said even science is subjective (altho it pretends not 
to be).

besides, i'm much too amazed by what happened here in columbus last 
weekend...people were literally jumping and screaming at titonton and 
claude young's rip-roaring dj sets...i felt a transcendence of sorts, way 
cooler than thinkin about aliens.  we got enough cool shit on THIS planet 
to keep my brain quite satisfied...u just got to open your eyes...

and no, i havent tripped lately (or ever) :)
++
e d

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Ed Luna:

> besides, i'm much too amazed by what happened here in columbus last 
> weekend...people were literally jumping and screaming at titonton and 
> claude young's rip-roaring dj sets...i felt a transcendence of sorts, way 
> cooler than thinkin about aliens.  we got enough cool shit on THIS planet 
> to keep my brain quite satisfied...u just got to open your eyes...

...and your mind and heart.  There's so much negativity in the scene lately,
and I think it's easy sometimes to just see the bad in situations.  Yin and
yang... bad and good.  Just as low we as a group of people that supposedly
look out for each other can sink, equally we can bring each other to
enormous and quite "transcending" experiences.

In a way it's kinda' good that we don't have the opportunity to do this
every week... this transcendence.  We would lose perspective, and we'd end
up dulling ourseves to the extraordinary (we've done enough of that, I
think).  It gives us an opportunity to see things as they "could" be, as
possibly we'd desire them to be, and provides us with clearer paths towards
these goals, should we choose to persue them.  

In all the time I've spent in this now, I've become a much better judge of
promoters, artists, people, and most importantly... the music.  I choose
parties where I feel confident that I'll get what I want.  Maybe it's
because I have a better grasp on knowing what I want.  My appreciation of
the music, how I listen to it, how I let it affect me -- have all deepened
immensely.  Each party has the potential, in my head before I ever get
there, of being one of the best times I've ever had.  With good attitude and
an open mind, they _are_ getting better.

Parties don't get stale.  Peoples' attitudes do.

> and no, i havent tripped lately (or ever) :)

Don't have to.  Drugs show you to the door more quickly; they can't open it
for you.


-- 
Craig L. Stodolenak
archon@acid.com

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ack, just when i wanted to retire...

ok, welp since i wuz s'posed to do the bus trip from 
cleveland for CYBERTRIBE & that never happened & since i've
done a few rental van trips from cleveland to just about 
every other city that had a decent party & since i'm
such a big net raver & since a few pb-cle & mw net ravers
have been buggin me about it, i'm thinking about organizing
a caravan/bus/van trip to MOSAIC.

hey star (my beloved chicago distributor), do u & kate
(my right hand girl) & lucy wanna gather up the chicago
vrave posse. make a trek out to cleveland, where me &
the rest of the cleveland crew (most probably jeff/stuff,
& greta/sugarbear since they were the ones who were askin
me about it, maybe eric from oberlin, troutsoup from
youngstown & a few of my ravah buds from the 216). will team
up w/ u guys. we'll all jump into a rental van or caravan
down to columbus to pick up a few net ravahs down there
(most definitely allroy cuz he's such a bork & the vrave
king, liz, & my girly girl leidra - ohio dancer represent 
maybe jenny & whoever else wants to represent from the
614). and from there it's baltimore or bust.

oh btw it's in lonnie's warehouse. so if u went to VIBRATION,
u know where it's at. i'm all too familiar with it especially
being stuck in it w/ my last trek there, right allroy? 

e-me if yur interested, so we can do this thing...

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ed from Ohio, you're on "talkback":
>
>besides, i'm much too amazed by what happened here in columbus last 
>weekend...people were literally jumping and screaming at titonton and 
>claude young's rip-roaring dj sets...i felt a transcendence of sorts, way 
>cooler than thinkin about aliens.  we got enough cool shit on THIS planet 
>to keep my brain quite satisfied...

Mmm.  Ed, you are neglecting to mention that there is a very good
possibility that titonton and Claude may very well *be* aliens.

;)

--
Therefore, I.M.              "1a: to talk irrationally in or as if in         
ae890@detroit.freenet.org     delerium  b: to speak out wildly  c: to 
                              talk with extreme enthusiasm  2: to move
--                            or advance violently" 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan 19 07:11:40 1996
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Administration officials have indicated that Lt. General 
Barry R. McCaffrey, head of the US Army's Southern Command, 
is a likely candidate to succeed Lee Brown as the nation's 
fourth Drug Czar.  The Southern Command has jurisdiction 
over Army operations in all the world's cocaine-producing 
nations, and McCaffrey supervises nearly a quarter of the 
Pentagon's narcotics control budget.

DRCNet's objection is not to McCaffrey as an individual 
public servant, but to the militarization of the Drug War 
overall.  The militarization of drug policy is a dangerous 
course to follow.  For example, reports of human rights 
abuses in our Andean Drug War have been coming to light.

The biggest problem with the military drug strategy, 
however, is that it is so hopeless a venture as to be 
fraudulent.  There is simply no conceivable strategy, 
technology or level of funding that can ever make 
interdiction or source country efforts work.  The reason is 
simple: no matter what quantity of drugs are interdicted, 
the drug producers can simply set their production levels to 
compensate, ensuring that all the heroin and cocaine that US 
consumers desire will always be available.  We could double 
the quantity of cocaine we seize, and the producers would 
simply increase their production by about 10 percent, 
resulting in no net decrease in the availability of cocaine.  
Source country efforts can bring about occasional 
disruptions in the drug supply, but they are always short-
lived, and have no real impact on hard-core, problem drug 
use.  The price of cocaine is considerably lower today than 
it was before we got heavily into interdiction and source 
country programs.  Drug production and trafficking is 
regulated by the *demand* for drugs, not the other way 
around.  As long as people in the United States want drugs, 
they will get here.  The government's own research supports 
this conclusion.  In fact, many generals recognize this,
and support within the military for military involvement in
the Drug War has been tepid.  General McCaffrey himself has
noted that current strategies are not working.

Please write or call President Clinton and tell him not to 
appoint a military officer to the Drug Czar post.  Tell him 
it's time to stop misleading the public into believing that 
military and law enforcement efforts are an effective or 
appropriate response to drug use and abuse.  Tell him guns 
and prisons are not the answer to the medical and social 
issues presented by drugs.  And tell him he should work with 
Congress to appoint and fund the Commission on Crime Control 
and Prevention that was called for in the 1994 Crime Bill.

Send your letter to:  President Bill Clinton
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            or call:  (202) 456-1111

You can also send e-mail to president@whitehouse.gov.  We 
don't have information on whether White House e-mail is read 
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And send a copy to your Representative and your Senators:

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- stevenJ
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stevenj@hyperreal.com

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We are content with the "given" in sensations quest.  We have been 
metamorphosed from a mad body dancing onhillsides to a pair of eyes
staring in the dark.
				Jim Morrison
Adrienne Wisok
aka Zoey
aka Bobaphat

awisok@engin.umich.edu
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Who's goin' Chicken Huntin?????
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 04:22:23 -0500
From: Jammin' James E. <jamese@walrus.com>
To: ne-raves@world.std.com
Subject: |NER| Net Dancer Survey

Hiya Folks,

Given my extended vacation, I have lots of time to do frivilous stuff.

This includes putting together a very short list of questions on my home
page for you to answer. When you submit them to me, I will eventually
compile them and report back the answers. The questions are short, multiple
choice, and require minimum thought. The idea is to learn some basic
demographics of the US net-dancer population. What sex, occupation, how
often you post and dance, best event, favorite music. Real simple. Its
unscientific and I haven't yet learned how to compile the forms once
submitted, but I expect to learn.

The questionaire requires Netscape 1.2 or better and will only take 1 minute
of your time. After that, go look at some pictures of your fellow netters
(Shameless plug)! You may reach it at

http://rampages.onramp.net/~jamese/guest.html

I have posted this message to Texas and NE Raves. If you think another list
you belong to would be interested in this survey, just forward it with my
thanks!

Thanks alot and happy answering

Jammin' James E.
jamese@walrus.com 
http://rampages.onramp.net/~jamese/



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Seeing as we are all network computer users, I thought this somewhat relevant.


- stevenJ

_______________________________________________________
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> >From abacard@well.com  Thu Jan 18 21:14:19 1996
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:06:38 -0800
> From: Andre Bacard <abacard@well.com>
> Message-Id: <199601190306.TAA16487@well.com>
> To: abacard@well.com
> Subject: PLAYBOY Interview with CPSR Author
> Cc: cpsr-pa-steering@cpsr.org
> 
> 
> Fellow CPSR Members,
>  
> When I was the CPSR/Palo Alto Newsletter Editor, I interviewed a number
> of CPSR members for the Newsletter. I also promote CPSR every day in my
> book, "Computer Privacy Handbook," and in the media. Thus, the following
> might interest you....
>  
> I hope you enjoy the current PLAYBOY magazine Interview with me entitled
> "The Computers Have Eyes." This article brings CPSR/EPIC's privacy issues
> to roughly 3,000,000 readers.
>  
>       Interview Online at: http://www.playboy.com/forum/forum.html
>       Print Version: February 1996, PLAYBOY, pages 33-35
>       Bacard's Privacy Page: http://www.well.com/user/abacard
>       "Computer Privacy Handbook": (800) 283-9444
>  
> PLAYBOY welcomes your pro/con comments about this interview. Here is a
> chance to express (your) CPSR's positions in a national forum. You can
> write the editors at <forum@playboy.com>.
>  
> See you in the future,
> Andre Bacard
> ======================================================================
> abacard@well.com                    Bacard wrote "The Computer Privacy
> Stanford, California                Handbook" [Intro by Mitchell Kapor].
> http://www.well.com/user/abacard    Published by Peachpit Press, (800)
> Enjoy your privacy...               283-9444, ISBN # 1-56609-171-3.
> =======================================================================
>  



- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan 19 08:44:16 1996
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Forwarded message:
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 06:01:49 -0500 (EST)
> From: e boy <u8x@access.digex.net>
> Subject: hello again from the Ultraworld
> 
> 
> 
> it's been a while since i've posted to the mw rave list, 200 messages a 
> day from dc and ne raves was already getting a bit crazy, and baltimore 
> is a bit removed from the midwest ;)  
> 
> but, i'd like to tell everyone about an Ultraworld party coming up on 
> april 27, 1996.
> 
> it called ECLIPSE, and it will be held in the nation's capitol, Washington 
> D.C.  the space is the d.c. armory, which has 100 ft ceilings, a 100,000 
> sq ft. all wood dance floor, and a legal capacity of 12,000!
> we want this party to be a gathering of the true rave community of the 
> entire nation.  while there will hopefully be a very large number of 
> people there, if they are all the "right" people, this will be a large 
> event with all it's crazy production, but still have that killer small party 
> vibe.  
> 
> 
> as for doing our part, here's what we've got...
> 
> the dj booth will be set up in the center, and there will be four stages 
> set around the perimeter of the armory, forming a large X    ;)
> we will have five dj's and four live acts.
> 
> all the dj's are confirmed, they are:
> 
> kemistry and storm  (from the u.k., two of the hottest jungle dj's, and 
> they're women!)
> 
> adam x  (techno pioneer from n.y.c.)
> 
> scott henry  (but of course)
> 
> hipp-e  (from the rockies)
> 
> sun (1/3 of the ultraworld brass)
> 
> 
> here's the scoop with the live acts:
> 
> prototype 909  (from n.y.c., they are confirmed)
> 
> dubtribe  (san fran's soulful sound system, will be there)
> 
> rabbit in the moon  (unconfirmed, it all depends on whether or not they 
> will be playing a party in chicago, if that party moves its date which i 
> heard it might, we'll have em)
> 
> hardfloor  (unconfirmed, we are in contact with guys in the band and the 
> booking agents, we should have the final word by next week)
> 
> we really want hardfloor and rabbit in the moon, if those two should fall 
> through we'll be going for two acts similar to them.
> 
> each act will perform on its own stage.
> 
> sound will be done by total audio of montreal using their turbosound 
> system.  64 speakers will eminate from a circle surrounding the dj booth 
> in the middle, and each stage will have an 8 stack system on either side 
> of the stage facing the dj booth.  all speakers will be on for all dj's 
> and acts, surrouding the dance floor with sound from all directions.  
> i don't want to reveal all of our surprises, but let's just say no one 
> has seen or done anything like the light and laser show we have planned 
> for this one...
> 
> 
> we sincerely hope that many of you will consider coming, 
> because we are putting everything into this event.  it's completely 
> legal, and we've got space for every raver who wants to come.  this could 
> be one of those dream events...  the production and music will be there, 
> which means it all comes down to the all important thing -- the vibe.
> please come and make the vibe great.
> 
> 
> we are looking for people who might be interested in running bus trips to 
> this event, please e me if you are would like to find out the details.
> 
> and also, we are looking for ticket outlets everywhere for ECLIPSE. if 
> anyone can suggest possible ticket outlets, we would 
> greatly appreciate it.  again, please e me personally with the info.
> 
> 
> that's all for now, i'll keep everyone posted about the two acts that 
> have yet to be confirmed.
> 
> until next time.
> 
> peace
> lonnie
> 

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When you get to the party head over to the J^2 merchandise table.  Chances are
good that Julia will be working and will be able to inform as to the 
likelihood of a net.meet and when.



- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan 19 10:09:57 1996
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Gee, I'm probably going to be at this party.  If anyone else is going to
be as unhip as myself and go this giant commercial (just what is it selling
anyways?) feel free to say hi, I'll be wearing xessively large purple
corduroys w/ a butterfly patch on the right rear pocket and will probably
spend most of the evening in front of the speakers, esp during James Christian's set.  I truly enjoy meeting new people so pleaz just introduce yerself maybe
we can talk about how lame we are for not being at the truly kewl party or 
whatever.

tad aka sluckboy aka looser aka etc.

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>> Despite this, I remember reading that in the "worst-case" scenario,
>> approximately 300,000 planets would be able to support life.
>
>wasn't this bumped up when we saw there were at least 5 times the 
>galaxies we thought there were? 
You may be right there.  The calculations I based my explanations on were
printed about 1.5-2 years ago.

>Or maybe they visited, some of us saw them, but the rest of us didn't 
>believe it?
He're a great story, and it's true:

I'm sure some of you have heard of 'smart goggles' and 'binaural beats'.
These are methods of causing the brain to operate at certain frequencies by
flashing patterns of light or sound.  The brain has four distinct states of
activity and by using these devices, you can coerce your brain into the
mindset you need.

During experimentation of the binaural beats, some subjects were made to
pass out around a certain range.  When they awoke, a large percentage of
them had time unaccounted for in their memory.  Of these subjects, many said
they had been abducted by aliens or some such.

Pretty weird, eh?  Sorry about how vague my articles are, but I'd rather
give general information than false specifics.

BTW: For those of you who want to look into smartware, etc., I read a book
called "Mega Brain Power" that thoroughly describes all the available gear
on the market as of...two years ago?  It's an expensive book so I'd check a
library first if you're interested.

adam


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>On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Chris Sattinger wrote:
>
>> The reason they know this, they explain, is that aliens visited them
>> 4,000 years ago and told them.
>
>cool! please tell me your source for this info. i would like ot look into 
>things like this. thanks!

The original book is by astronomer Robert Temple.
"Robert Temple is cautious.  He has intellectual integrity."
   -London Sunday Times
" a work of respectable scholarship."
  - Manchester Guardian

The original french anthropologists that collected the legends
are Prof Griaule and Dieterlen.

The book I got this all from is Cosmic Trigger by 
Robert Anton Wilson.   It is completely impossible
to read this book and not have your basic belief system
forever altered.   No matter how skeptical you are, the 
concept of skepticism itself will be uprooted.

As regards aliens, it is noted that descriptions of alien contact
is identical to that of virgin mary contacts, leprechauns, fairies,
visitations etc.    The experience usually gets tunnled through
the reality filter of the person experiencing the event.
The big clincher is that this has often happened to separate
observers, sometimes a shared (consensual) hallucination/
experience and sometimes each observer has there own
experience.
We have video tapes of the Mexico City mass UFO sightings.
It is common knowledge in Mexico, but didn't get into the papers
up here.   On the date of a certain eclipse, it was said that the
gods would come down from the sky and usher in a new 
epoch in world spiritualty.   On that date, most of Mexico City
was outside looking at the sky, many with video cameras.
On the tape we have, you see about 50 separate videos
of groups of UFO craft.  They move in a very peculiar signature
way.    There are multiple interviews with all kinds of people
about the day.    Lots of newspaper clippings with everyone
looking at the sky.  The UFOs still tease the military airplanes
during air shows.  My roomate has talked to people down there
too.   
He also brought a mixtape that I did for him for his trip.  Mostly
weird droning semi-ambient stuff. (trope, switch, luke slater,
plastikman).   He played it for a member of a Voodoo band.
The guy sat there and stared at the tape player for 20 mins or 
so and then said "Its always changing."
The Peruvian government has built a landing strip for aliens. :)

Have fun !

  Over and Out.

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Chris Sattinger                                                            
     
                                    Reprogramming Our Reality Through Disco

Communique, Synewave, Probe, Sounds, Head In the Clouds
                              
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>By saying there are only 300,000 planets that could support life, you are, in
>essence, defining space itself as a fixed shape or volume having a definite
>end.  I do not believe it has an end...it is infinite.  Since it is infinite,
>there are an infinite number of possibilities for planets to support life. 
>About the advanced civilizations......I am not saying there are no higher
>forms or that there have been in the past.   I am simply stating that too
>often people portray other life to be very very advanced; having means of
>transprt that we could never comprehend.  I am saying that other life can be
>less advanced as us.    Dreamcycle

Nope.  The universe is finite, it's just huge.  By calculating the age of
the universe since the big bang, and multiplying that by the speed of light
in all directions from the center of the universe, you get a really big sphere.

adam


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WICKED
in 7th Street Entry
January 24 th

21 +  (sorry !)
=============================================
DJs

JT  and Drone
Alex Jarvis
Pike


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

and a special   ACID CONVOY !

TIMEBLIND SOUND SYSTEM
featuring
Chris Sattinger (Synewave, Communique)
Troy Geary (DJAX, Missile, Electric Music Foundation)
Kevin Whitley (Communique, Head in the Clouds)

I will be djing between us three doing live stuff, throwing
people through filters and efx etc.       Hold on to your shit.
Hear the DRUMMER GET WICKED !

  Over and Out.

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Chris Sattinger                                                            
     
                                    Reprogramming Our Reality Through Disco

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jan 19 13:34:23 1996
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amh@po.cwru.edu (Adam) said...
> Nope.  The universe is finite, it's just huge.  By calculating the age of
> the universe since the big bang, and multiplying that by the speed of light
> in all directions from the center of the universe, you get a really big sphere.

But if the big bang, which supposedly created all known and unknown matter,
started expanding outwards, issn't the 'diameter' of the universe simply 
the extent to which the matter (planets, suns, etc.) extends?

What about all the space beyond the extent of the known and unknown matter?


- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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>> we want this party to be a gathering of the true rave community of the
>> entire nation.

might i remind you GENERATOR is that nite in columbus...before you make all
your big bus trip plans, think about how much you will regret missing DAVE
CLARKE if you go to baltimore instead...

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

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	I know this is late notice, but I'd sugest NOT going to this 
party.  Most of the flyer is a lie!!!  The people throwing it are in it 
for the MONEY and nothing else.  I was part of the crew, but I got out of 
it because I don't want to be part of a lie.


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On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Scott Wick wrote:

> 
> 	I know this is late notice, but I'd sugest NOT going to this 
> party.  Most of the flyer is a lie!!!  The people throwing it are in it 
> for the MONEY and nothing else.  I was part of the crew, but I got out of 
> it because I don't want to be part of a lie.
> 
HELLO SCOTT!!!!

WAKE UP!!!!!

THIS IS NOT SUPERSTARS PARTY!@!!!! 

as well i know for a fact that DjWHO and Nigel Richards and everyone on this 
flier are Confirmed..The Space is Secured with all of the permits and 
legal stuff!!...

this party is legit!!!!!

and to combat your saying they are in it for the money then Why dont they 
Charge 25.00 and call it Star Something or other...
instead of 15.00

People this party is legit@!!!!!

+--dAn--+

p.s. there will be an afterhours thrown at acme java and eats coffee house
beginning at 8:00 am and going until 2:00pm
see ya there =) 

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On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Steven J White wrote:

> amh@po.cwru.edu (Adam) said...
> > Nope.  The universe is finite, it's just huge.  By calculating the age of
> > the universe since the big bang, and multiplying that by the speed of light
> > in all directions from the center of the universe, you get a really big sphere.
> 
> But if the big bang, which supposedly created all known and unknown matter,
> started expanding outwards, issn't the 'diameter' of the universe simply 
> the extent to which the matter (planets, suns, etc.) extends?
> 
> What about all the space beyond the extent of the known and unknown matter?
> 

This may be outdated data, but about 6 months ago I saw this space show 
on the learning channel, which kinda mapped out what scientists thought 
the universe was.  They explained it as such:  (please do excuse the 
numbers, I can't remember everything...)

Because of the gravity between them, galaxies tend to stay kind of 
together, and a group of something like 1000 galaxies make up a 
"cluster".  Clusters also group together, and something like 1000 
clusters make up a supercluster.  THese clusters are in a single helix 
form, linking together thousands upon thousands of superclusters.  They 
say that the center of this double helix is where the big bang most 
likely happened, but they have no idea where that is.  (Obviously)  Under 
the big bang theory, the universe is presently still expanding, and in a 
couple of billion years it will slow down and start to compress again.

This becomes a hazy subject, because the human mind cannot comprehend 
somehting that has no beginning or end, as we hypothesize space has.  So 
it it impossible to really say for sure that any of this is true, or that 
this big bang is just in one section of the universe, and happens all 
over the universe repeatedly.  


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someone wrote: 
> This becomes a hazy subject, because the human mind cannot comprehend 
> somehting that has no beginning or end, as we hypothesize space has. 


it becomes even hazier when you consider that, if we can't understand
infinite space in three (or 4) dimentions, how about eight...or even ten.
This is the number of dimensions needed to support superstring
(or kaluza-klein or supergravity) theory.

aliens or not, "space" is more than planets and universes - its energies
and states of existence without space and/or time. I would suggest
pondering the possibility of sentient energy before looking for
little green men...

mike w

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I know inferno is in Chicago but where abouts?

-jason

ps please dont tel me to call ticket master!

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        Today (1-20-96) is the REBIRTH of the Omaha scene.  Sorry I don't
have a flier and that I'm posting this the day of the show, but this is a
rush job.  Rebirth is a U.F.O. production and features:
Astroboy        St. Louis
Razor           Des Moines
Phase II        Des Moines
Sugarphree
Supa*scream
Basic

Lines:
Voice Mail      402-691-6821
                or      
                402-455-6364

P.S:    Icepick and anyone else in Omaha on MW-raves.  E-mail me!!!
9in@radiks.net


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>        Today (1-20-96) is the REBIRTH of the Omaha scene.  Sorry I don't
>have a flier and that I'm posting this the day of the show, but this is a
>rush job.  Rebirth is a U.F.O. production and features:
>Astroboy        St. Louis
>Razor           Des Moines
>Phase II        Des Moines
>Sugarphree
>Supa*scream
>Basic
>
>Lines:
>Voice Mail      402-691-6821
>                or
>                402-455-6364
>
>P.S:    Icepick and anyone else in Omaha on MW-raves.  E-mail me!!!
>9in@radiks.net

wow it's  really kewl to see that scenes are starting up inplaces you would
have never thought.....just a thought

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it will be in the south suburbs...not in the wonderful photon space!

later,
acetate


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Well, I few people have said at 2:00 a.m. at the smart bar.
I'll try to be there but I normally don't pay attention to time at raves and am
prone to forgetting things like that but if you see me anywhere else feel free
to say hi. In addition lto large purple corduroys I'll probly be ewearing a red
(maroon) hooded sweatshirt or a purple tshirt or a tshirt w/ alice in wonderlandon it (I'm prone to changing my shirts when I start sweating a bunch, which I dowhenever I have fun at parties).

tad aka sluckboy
/qy

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Forwarded message:
> From: lollipop@red-branch.MIT.EDU
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:38:55 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Planetary Groove Collective (fwd)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   The time has come.....
>    In the beginning, the drug culture helped build the rave scene.  It 
> formed a scaffolding to build the scene.  The time has come, like any 
> other building, to break away the scaffolding and see if the scene can 
> stand on its own.  Ultimately, the drugs are NOT what the scene is 
> about.  It's about the music, the vibe, and the people..... A place where 
> everyone can belong.  It's not about the fashion, who knows who, or how 
> many parties you've been to.
> 
>    It's time to resurrect the underground, pull the drugs out of the 
> scene, resurrect the happiness, the vibe, the music... The time has come 
> to take back the scene......  Since the end of October, a plan has been 
> in the works, to begin this resurrection.....
> 
> PLANETARY GROOVE COLLECTIVE PRESENTS......
> 
>                                     ATLANTIS
> 
> Starting Tuesday January 30th    9pm to 2am
> 
>  With resident dj NICHI  and special guests to be announced
> 
> 310 Congress St.  (same location as the wicked ball-T accessible from 
>     South Station)
> 
> For more info call Planetary Groove Collective:  617-576-8833
>                            Mission Control    :  617-232-2030
> 
>     "Let the music be the drug.... Let the dj's do the mixing....."
> 
> **************************************************************************
> Jen Hill - Planetary Groove Collective  617-576-8833
>        "It's not the size of the wave... It's the motion of the ocean"
> **************************************************************************
> 

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> From: lollipop@red-branch.MIT.EDU
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> Subject: GREETINGS...
> 
> 
> 
>   Hello all... I just wanted to drop a quick note to the mailing list and 
> say some hellos!!!
> 
>    I must admit, I miss the midwest IMMENSELY!!!  The east coast is 
> nothing compared to the midwest.. I miss the family atmosphere and all my 
> friends... *sigh*
> 
>      Anyone who wants to, please email me and drop a hello!!  I miss you 
> guys!!!!!   
> *hugs and kisses and tons of lollipops!!!*
> jen
> ******************************************************************************
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>       LOLLIPOP - THE SUCCUWHATEVAH
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        Omaha has been coming up for quite some time now.  But we lack in
exposure.  We also lack in criticism and commercialism.  Anytime a rave
comes around it is greatly appreciated, and God damn do we take advantage.
Hopefully some of you can get your asses out here and bring us some
expertise and support!!


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Actually I said I wasn't going to inferno because of the price not just
because of the art work on the flyer. I don't see how you can compare buying
a cd to going to a rave. Because a rave is a one night experience you pay for
and the only thing you have to tell you if it is going to be worth the money
is the flyer and the information on it for example the line up, price,
promoters, and graphixs. I mean when you buy a cd you usually have other
sources  of information besides the packaging for example, reviews ,and
hopefully actually hearing some thing else by the same musician(s). But when
you are shelling out  15 or 20 dollars for a one night deal you have to take
in to account every part of the info that you have. And when I hear about a
high price and see crapy art work it makes me wonder if it is worth paying so
much. also I believe the art work does to a extent represent the promoters
when you realize they employed this artist and trusted his talent enough to
put on a flyer for their party

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Here it is one more time for those of you who missed it, TONIGHT IN MILWAUKEE:

20 JANUARY Saturday             MILWAUKEE AREA          MARS


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                            1.20.96

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>has enyone else read any of robert anton wilson's cosmic trigger series which
>talks a whole lot about the Sirius mysteries and other odd things as well?


Why not check out the Robert Anton Wilson home page ?

http://www.nets.com/site/raw/raw.html

(of course there's a fucking home page !)
"The revolution will not be televised, but there will be a web
page."  -  Matt Haines (Control-X)

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>amh@po.cwru.edu (Adam) said...
>> Nope.  The universe is finite, it's just huge.  By calculating the age of
>> the universe since the big bang, and multiplying that by the speed of light
>> in all directions from the center of the universe, you get a really big
>>sphere.
>
>But if the big bang, which supposedly created all known and unknown matter,
>started expanding outwards, issn't the 'diameter' of the universe simply 
>the extent to which the matter (planets, suns, etc.) extends?
>What about all the space beyond the extent of the known and unknown matter?
>- stevenJ

Well as fucked an idea as this is, it is space that is expanding.  There is no
space outside of the sphere.   There is not even nothingness.
You have to map the existence of this thing out in 4 dimensions, then you
get something known as a light cone.  This shows the limits to what classifies
as existing and what can not be classified as existing.
Then you look at the whole model as space-time which doesn't need to do
anything other than kind of exist.  It has measurements in space and time,
but really these two ideas are completely interrelated.
Remember that since time is relative, there is no NOW in this universe, there
are multiple nows depending on where you are.   In a black hole time seems
infintely
slow to the outside observer, but quite normal to the inside victim.
They figured out that the universe was finite by measuring the speed of the
expansion.
If it is moving fast enough, it can keep expanding.  If it is slower, than
eventually
the gravitational pull of the whole universe pulls itself back in at a
certain point,
and we get a massive collapse.   It is also thought that this process keeps
happening,
and we get some kind of vibrational big bang, expansion, collapse cycle.

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equal--well it was held in a bowling alley  which was all right except 
for the drunk "hicks"  i was called basically every name in the book from 
drug addict to fag to stupid worthless mother fucker   but inside it was 
great

i dont know who the first dj was  but he was great   he was mixing some 
pretty wild shit

the second dj  was all right  and played too much slow shit

next was mike dearborn....the beginning of his set wasnt that great but 
as it progressed  it began to blow my mind
after him was terry mullan (everyone get up and dance)  wow he did a 
killer job


prototype 909 kicked some ass  these three guys  were jumping around have 
a great time and pulled off a great job
probably the best live performance i have ever seen



next was dave hollands   (in my opinion)  i was not impressed with this 
man  he slowed the tempo down way to much  


i had to leave at the end of his set due to the fact that my ride was 
ready to go 




only one bitch---they let people in with beer,  i witnessed the stupidest 
thing ever-----four drunken fools drinking their precious icehouse slam 
dancing to prototype 909  unfuckingbelievable


but other than that i throrughly enjoyed myself

member  mars 2027
tonite 
me--dare to keep kids off drugs shirt  say hi

introduce self

kool


mikey davis



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From: eluna <eluna@coil.com>
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in columbus, at MEKKA...the official re-opening of the club's sunday 
night "twilight" techno night.

$5 w/ id...show them a flyer and get in 2 for one...flyers' all over 
campus, like at insomnia, idiot boy, etc...

any q's call 614 621 CLUB.

if you need deeerections email me an i'll try to hook you up...
++
e d

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I give up!
Flyer this and flyer that.
WHO CARES?
Just because somebody's idea of good artwork is different than yours 
or because they aren't as talented doesn't mean the party will suck.
As far as CDs goes. I've bought many cds where the artwork sucked and 
I've still been able to enjoy the music. I just don't understand this 
mentality.  I'm sorry.  And you can't argue that someone who doesn't 
put a lot of effort into graphics doesn't care about the end result 
whether it be a rave or a cd.   Some people just don't think it's 
that important.  This is the same mentality that says only beautiful 
people are worth being friends with.  If they don't look good, they 
must be horrible, right?  
If you are concerned with costs, fine.  That's valid.  But please do 
not bring up artwork or flyer style because the only result of 
questionable artwork is a bunch of people on the internet wasting 
time debating it.  Most people just don't care.

Chris

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On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, CmC wrote:

> Just because somebody's idea of good artwork is different than yours 
> or because they aren't as talented doesn't mean the party will suck.

[snip]

> If you are concerned with costs, fine.  That's valid.  But please do 
> not bring up artwork or flyer style because the only result of 
> questionable artwork is a bunch of people on the internet wasting 
> time debating it.  Most people just don't care.

hm, dunno about this one chris.  i missed the original post, but i'm 
responding to your comments here.  

while i think it is hogwash to judge parties/cds/people by their outward 
appearance and/or p/r material, i think it's high time that raves become 
a bit more graphically eloquent, or at least less cheesy.  i mean, 
sometimes it's funny but i so seldom see flyers that have any clue as 
far as art history goes; flyers that exploit the strengths and new 
possibilities available through technology.  too often i see cop-out 
flyers with NO design sense, using stupid stock photos, fractals 
(*wretch*) stolen computer graphics, etc.  hasn't anyone heard of neville 
brody, v23, emigre?  sheesh.

not that i expect EVERYONE to become all artsy-fartsy but it surprises 
the hell out of me that so few have even tried.  it dismays me and 
reminds me of why i sometimes hate this "scene" which so often lives up to 
the unfortunate stereotypes of drugged-out hyperactive idiots in big clothes.
no sophistication...(especially those god-awful chicago and cleveland 
flyers :) )

this aside, no one on the list responded to my inquiry from a while ago 
which i'll restate here:

if we're supposedly a more "enlightened" subculture, or if we have 
aspirations as such, then why the hell are we allowing these promoters to 
kill the environment?  i mean, 10,000 color flyers are a hell of a tax on 
our resources...most of them end up on the floor anyway.  i mean, i don't 
expect political correctness just for MY sake, but i have yet to see 
anyone even address this issue in our little scene.  when that RAVESTOCK 
2 shit happened, the idiots sent me 50 POUNDS of flyers.  isn't this a 
little ridiculous?  i ended up throwing most of them away (well i 
should have tried to recycle but you get my point).

so, anyone have anything to say about _that_?? 
++ 
e d

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	Please...  Don't think I am expressing ideas of the soopahstars!!  
This has nothing to do with them.  I have gotten some info from the brother of one 
of the people who is throwing it.  Maby I was given incorrect 
information.  Also, I was told by someone involved in throwing it that I 
couldn't bring my girlfriend along to help set up because (I quote) "We 
are in this one for the money, not for making our friends happy."  I am 
sorry if I offended anyone individually.  That was not intended.  I was 
just a little pissed when I was told that they weren't trying to make 
people happy, and when I was told that they didn't have a space untill 
thursday, and that some of the DJ's weren't confermed.  I guess this is 
how rumors get spread.   Again, sorry if I offended any individuals.
						Scott

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Hey, does anyone know how to straighten out slightly or even heavily 
warped records...this once came up on the BPM list, but no one seemed 
very sure of their answers, as though they hadn't tried it.

Any possible solutions? Or is there a homepage available? ;P

tanks,
blender

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At 04:13 AM 1/20/96 -0600, bLiTz <blitz@earth.execpc.com> wrote:
>
>wow it's  really kewl to see that scenes are starting up inplaces you would
>have never thought.....just a thought

Actually, back in late 1992 or 1993 there was a guy named Ed who lived in
Omaha and helped put on some small parties out that way.  He fed regular
reports to mw-raves of what was going on at that time, but for some reason
unbeknownst to me, he faded into obscurity.

I think there's even an image collage on hyperreal in the mw-raves area of
his gang/crew/friends.




Andrew
--
   Andrew Bennett
   abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@cruzio.com
   http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/

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>But if the big bang, which supposedly created all known and unknown matter,
>started expanding outwards, issn't the 'diameter' of the universe simply 
>the extent to which the matter (planets, suns, etc.) extends?
>What about all the space beyond the extent of the known and unknown matter?
>- stevenJ

Exactly.  Beyond the radius of the universe, nothing exists.  I can't argue
for or against this point.

If you believe there was nothing before the big bang, then the universe has
the size I described earlier.  If you believe the was 'emptiness' before the
big bang, as in space with nothing there, then sure, the universe is of
universe size.

I choose to believe that nothing existed before the big bang.

adam


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On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, blender wrote:

> Hey, does anyone know how to straighten out slightly or even heavily 
> warped records...this once came up on the BPM list, but no one seemed 
> very sure of their answers, as though they hadn't tried it.
> 
> Any possible solutions? Or is there a homepage available? ;P

well very briefly, i'd say heat the record EVER SO GRADUALLY AND SLIGHTLY 
with an iron.  protecting it with cloth of course...then when it's just 
warm enough to be malleable, put a lot of heavy-ass shit on top and let 
it cool.  it wont be the same as new but it might get out some of the 
bend/bow.  also, be careful NOT to overheat to the point that the 
record's mushy because then the grooves will fuse and you'll be screwed.  
it is a rather sketchy process and isnt recommended for valuable records.
another idea: the oven, very low temperature, till the record reaches 
that malleable point again.  actually this prolly works better because 
the heating is more even, but again dont let it get mushy.  problem is 
that different records will reach that mallebility at different points, 
because of the purity and origin of the vinyl...blah blah blah.

in other words don't do it unless you're patient and careful :)

shit, i'm posting too much again...
++
e d

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You wrote: 
>
>On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, blender wrote:
>
>> Hey, does anyone know how to straighten out slightly or even heavily 
>> warped records...this once came up on the BPM list, but no one seemed 
>> very sure of their answers, as though they hadn't tried it.
>> 
>> Any possible solutions? Or is there a homepage available? ;P
>
>well very briefly, i'd say heat the record EVER SO GRADUALLY AND SLIGHTLY 
>with an iron.  protecting it with cloth of course...then when it's just 
>warm enough to be malleable, put a lot of heavy-ass shit on top and let 
>it cool.  it wont be the same as new but it might get out some of the 
>bend/bow.  also, be careful NOT to overheat to the point that the 
>record's mushy because then the grooves will fuse and you'll be screwed.  

Heating the record with an iron would not be a good idea, you'll mash the 
thing because you dont know what temperature your heating the record to.  I 
thought they made records out of PVC or polyvinyl chloride, which has a glass 
transition temperature or softening point of around 77C, but that seems too 
high.  I dont have the right book infront of me (damn Dr. Rosen his book suks) 
let me find the right temperature in a few days.  
I would try heating it to around 150F in the oven then setting it on a flat 
piece of glass, because the glass is smooth, very flat, and will cool the 
plastic quickly.  dont add weight to the whole thing maybe juston the edges 
and in the middle.  Either way, the record is fucked because it got warped by 
heat priviously, and the grooves probably are just as fucked up as the whole 
thing...


>it is a rather sketchy process and isnt recommended for valuable records.
>another idea: the oven, very low temperature, till the record reaches 
>that malleable point again.  actually this prolly works better because 
>the heating is more even, but again dont let it get mushy.  problem is 
>that different records will reach that mallebility at different points, 
>because of the purity and origin of the vinyl...blah blah blah.
>

This is true, youll have to have a watchful eye.  use your fingernail to test 
the center ofthe record if you can imprint it with alittle force then slap it 
on the glass, you might have to try this a few times...be patent

-jason


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To all you who think the flier for Inferno is OK...

Do you all realize that that is an 11X17 full color flier.  Don't you get
it?!  Those cost money.  Money which everyone has to pay for in their
ticket price.  I'm not willing to pay for *ANY* flier that big!  I don't
care what it has on it!  (Even though I think that it wasn't very
graphically pleasing anyway.)  Most fliers don't even get distributed to
people who will go to that party.  They'll either end up on the floor of
some party or they'll wind up in someone's trash can.  Granted...maybe New
Years is an exception to that but come on, Inferno isn't happening on NYE.
And like Ed said, those probably don't get recycled and ya know
what...they're probably printed on virgin paper.


Also, did anyone mention the service cost from TicketMaster?  Bad...very bad.



Open for *intelligent* discussion,



-=(  Dave Justice   )=-
-=(ravekid@cris.com )=-
-=(indydave on vrave)=-



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well . . . here it is the line for the Underground Peace Society's
one year anniversary show, it looks good


preforming live relief/cajual records own

	GREEN VELVET


representin' from strong island

	ONIONZ

from detroit techno badboy

	D WYNN

from metamorphic/peacefrog records

	DAN CURTIN

head bobin' house by

	JOESKI

ruff rugged and raw

	DIESELBOY

PLUS MORE SURPRISE TO COME

saturday march 9th cleveland ohio....

				mark your calenders...

						216.258.1037 U.P.S. voicemail

-- 

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Replying to both peoplez here:

> > Just because somebody's idea of good artwork is different than
> > yours or because they aren't as talented doesn't mean the party
> > will suck.

I think that, unfortunately, due to the stale means in which parties 
are presented and done now that the flyer art is an accurate 
reflection of the imagination of the people putting the party on.  
Not always, sometimes the fault lies on the actual "artist" who made 
the flyer, but ...

Anyways, aesthetic principle is an important element to getting 
excited about a party, aside from the side info/rumours that get you 
hyped about a rave.  Imagination seems to be less and less an 
important element of the scene anymore , atleast to me, and is 
turning very cookie cutterish.  SPARK was a nice party because the 
promoters took risks with adding and enhancing the set-up; trying 
different things for the sake of kicking in some fresh flavor in the 
mix.  Some was succesful, some wasn't; but they tried and it showed 
in a very positive and warm vibe.

All in all, I think the whole rave thing is dead in terms of 
freshness and flavor.  Very few people seem to be taking risks and 
trying to push ahead with new things.  People are, however, and 
respect for that; but it seems that the raver corporations just seem 
to be building the same party after the same party.

Part of that has to do with how an unsaid ethos and set of guidelines 
has seemed to seep into the general, popular culture of the rave 
genre through slang, fashion and attitude.  When the chaos gets tamed 
by a ruling party of people, the flavor always gets drained.

Back to flyer art tho.  Every culture needs some kind of artistic 
representation, or signature expressed through it's media.  Like the 
whole punk rock movement had this discordant feel to it's album art, 
DIY freshness to poster art, etc.  Raves are unique in that their art 
is highly technological and very polished.  The rough edges should be 
smoothed by the means used to create the art, typically computer 
generated.  Design in rave stuff has typically been pseudo psychedelic 
alter-real landscape, as tho a rave was suppose to transport and lift 
it's peoples to another "level".  True genius in rave art work, 
however, have deterred from that "standard" through more tribal 
representation of abstract ideas and other design ideas and goals.  
Also, there lies a great amount of genius in the re-appropriation of 
familiar logos/symbols and bending them to fit the culture - the Nadisco 
logo is an example that comes to mind.  

I've done a few rave flyers and none of them really deterred from the 
standard issue.  The Recess flyer I did, tho, was nice and simple - 
no goofy psychedlic shtuff - just 2 kids kissing on a playground 
smiling.  The Encounter flyer I did I spent over 18 hours working the 
illustration on.  It turned out to be pretty "standard" in terms of 
pseudo-psychedelic landscape bullshit (it was a woman's head growing 
out of a ice blue lake of water, a cosmic firestorm brewing behind 
her and light beams shooting from her eyes), but that was the goal so 
I can't moan about my shit.  

> hasn't anyone heard of neville brody, v23, emigre?  sheesh.

Yes :) I would never use them tho ... hehe :)

> if we're supposedly a more "enlightened" subculture, or if we have
> aspirations as such, then why the hell are we allowing these
> promoters to kill the environment?  i mean, 10,000 color flyers are
> so, anyone have anything to say about _that_?? 

Printing on recycled paper is actually a wee bit cheaper (at least 
through the printer I go through).

I tried to set up a multimedia kiosk in cynesthasia awhile ago, but 
none of the promoters I talked to where interested in putting their 
shit on it :?

Professor Earache
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beatPHREAKsociety

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> If you believe there was nothing before the big bang, then the
> universe has the size I described earlier.  If you believe the was
> 'emptiness' before the big bang, as in space with nothing there,
> then sure, the universe is of universe size.

I've read that some scientists have discounted the big bang theory as 
being too riddled with holes to be valid - I think it was in wired, 
an interview with a physicist who was modeling the universe with some 
hip techno gadget.

And, unless my memory is still a little too wet from last night, 
didn't stephen hawkins (sp) discount the big bang theory too??

earache
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> Do you all realize that that is an 11X17 full color flier.  Don't
> you get it?!  Those cost money.  Money which everyone has to pay for
> in their ticket price.  I'm not willing to pay for *ANY* flier that

11x17 (through my printer, mind you) isn't all that much more than 
8x11 printing, 4 over 1.  You just need to find a printer that does 
11x17 shit in bulk to get a good rate.

It is a waste of paper tho...  but seeing as the party is happening 
right now, the point is kind of moot.

> Also, did anyone mention the service cost from TicketMaster? 
> Bad...very bad.

My caveat with Ticketmaster is that suddenly the "underground" - 
whatever the fuck that is - suddenly is allowing above ground 
corporations to reap a profit on our shit.

Not nice and not good.   Maybe if the intent was passive subversion, 
but I don't think so :)

I'm resigned from going to big parties anymore, there isn't much of a 
point to it for me.  I'm more up on the vibe tip now, and big parties 
are far too big for a cohesive union.  Muzik schmuzik, it ain't worth 
shit if you can't enjoy it with an army of friends.

My $6.66 worth...

earache

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help is still very much needed on the mw-regional guide.  so far the 
information in the guide is paltry at best.  thanks to those who have 
helped, but there are just too many empty areas on there.  

i KNOW some of you on this list can help, so i'm asking you again to please 
do so.  and those of you who have promised me info, SEND IT IN!  even if 
it's unfinished!  i'll put up what we have, it's better than having it empty.

again, here's what i need:

- promotional companies, infolines
- club info
- record store info
- cool hangout spots (rave-related or not!)
- scene histories
- anything else you think is relevant to tell us about your area.

and i don't need ALL of the above, just whatever you have time to give.

thanks for your attention
++
e d



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ok, besides begging for more regional info i also want ideas for how to 
include listmember contributions to the list.

part of this will be covered by the mw-flyer art.  for example, i'd love 
earache to scan in some of HIS designs for all of us mw-webheads to see, 
but i want more.

another idea: of course this will be purely subjective and biased and so 
on, but i'm thinking of poring through the archives for some of the 
best-ever messages/posts; things that deserve to be read again.  to 
make the whole process LESS subjective i'm asking you people on the list 
to forward me that special post if you still have it stored away 
somewhere (i have some myself), or just mention/describe any special post 
that you might remember that deserves this treatment.

some examples:
- matt massive's long post about the scene from early `95 (i think)
- the leftist debate from last summer
- jj's post regarding io2
- those spirituality posts from fall of `94

anyway, you get my drift.  it could get pretty crazy, i guess...but i 
want to limit it to the absolute best of the best.  i want it to be a 
nice area where people trying to figure out our little scene can read the 
best of what we have had to say, in our own words.

any more ideas?  i'm open to them...
++
e d


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jan 21 07:52:19 1996
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We are in 1996 last time I checked.


Back in 1990, promoters could put a party together with  a black and white 
stock card (3" x 5") printed on just one side and with absolutely no graphix.
Back in the 50"s, people had parties with just on turntable and maybe the 
luxury of a strobe light.

But, we are evolving, we are progressing. People will not go to a party with 
just a black and white flier. this is the end of the 90"s. PArties are getting 
larger. People want bigger and more colorfull fliers, more sound, more lights 
and more videos.

Few years ago, you had a party once a month...now just look at the calendar. 
yep, hte calendar two years ago was just one page, now it is amlost a book.

So please stop bitching about the flier and move along.

It is the same for the prices at parties. People want more DJs, more sound, 
more lights more videos, guess what this cost money, therfore the parties are 
getting more expensive and the only people to blame are us for demanding more. 
So support your good promoters or shut the fuck up.

Why is it that people got to bitch and bitch all the time.

Also, I would like to mention (IMHO) that raves don't exsits anymore since 
years. Rave are parties solely promoted by : "I heard there is a rave at..." 
once a flier, a voice mail or anything commercial is announced, it is no 
longer a rave. Also a  rave us to be the place were people came to drop there 
E. A rave is anything but commercial. People brake in warehouse, setup the 
sound (there was not lights, or minimal), drop there E and dance until it got 
busted. The word rave has been miss used for years. Anyone that has been in 
the "scene" since the later 80's will 100% agree with me. (I feel really old 
by saying that).

Any, Know your limits.

pEace and out
French E

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jan 21 11:39:38 1996
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now that i am back from thailand with a sum of money, i would like to get
the 1210's and some decent mixer, preferably with bass&treb on each channel
sampler isnt neccessary...kill switches would be nice. btw, has anyone here use
kill switches?? are they good or bad or what? and are the other direct drive 
tables worth getting? i dont want to spend $450 on the 1210's if the others are
as good. bedroom and professional dj's out there please advise me on this.
where are the places, if any, to get dj rigs in mpls??? what about mailorder??
thanks a bunch in advance.

jest
-your average dj wannabe *grins*

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Right about now those who went to INFERNO should be getting in those last
of the midday-recovery-nappin'-hours. As soon as you wake I would just love
to..well maybe not love but I am interested in what went on and your
feelings about the party. Since there was soooooo much buildup with prior
crticism with fliers and shit; it would be a big letdown if there were no
reviews. So freakin' spew it! It could give me some insight on what to
expect when I finally make my way over to the windy city...

Attn. Cleveland humans: Does anyone out there have the # to Deep Records in
Cleve.Hts. or SLeepy-C's e-mail address if he has one? Please send either
or both. Thanx.


Peace,
Des

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"Send your mind on a rhythmic trip..."
                           -"Supernatural" Firefly
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jan 21 12:35:57 1996
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i am going to go to this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah!  i have a good friend that 
goes to um-rolla, so we'll be there!  this will be her second rave (her 
first was star generation on new years in st. louieeee).  i'm from 
edwardsville (not originally :)) and i would like to know if i can 
somehow get a ride out to rolla...i don't know if my friend will have 
access to her car (it's in the shop), so please, if someone is going my 
way, please please please contact me, ok?  in case you don't know, 
edwardsville is right across the river from st. louieee, btw...
thanks so much!  i WILL find a way to be there so i can see blackie and 
star and leigh and queenroi and all of you!
*take to the sky*

blanketgirl

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Daniel/ Dj 0977 wrote:

> I have been under the impression that this is Rolla, Missouri's first "rave."
> For all those interested in supproting the scene where ever it may 
> spread, then please find your way to central Missouri for HOME. 
> 
> HOME
> 
> 
> Date: 96/02/03
> Time: 
> Price: only $5 at the door!!!!!!
> DJ Lineup: 
> 
>       DEVIL GIRL*st. louis 
>       CYLERT*st. louis 
>       STAR*chicago 
>       DJ ROBI (aka DJ 0977)*columbia 
>       PIXEL*columbia 
>       P.J.*hip hop baby! 
>       ROGER*ambient and trance! 
>       XJN*hardcore 
>       and the first appearance of DEEP PURPLE*rolla 
>       plus many more djs to be announced very soon! 
> 
> Location: ROLLA, MISSOURI 
> Phone #s: for information and directions call YOU AND ME PRODUCTIONS at
> 314-364-8188! 
> Other Info: YOU AND ME PRODUCTIONS proudly presents HOME FEBRUARY 3rd
> 1996 in ROLLA, MISSOURI!DJ's from around the midwest unite in a virgin 
> bust free warehouse venue for an all night all right all out techno 
> attack. Two rooms of sound including an 11,000 square foot main room. The 
> techno explosion experience awaits you at HOME! 
> ONLY $5 at the door!  Party will begin promptly at 11 p.m. and last until at
> least 7 a.m. 
> For those who don't know rolla is only 1&1/2 hours from both 
> St. Louis and Columbia! This party is will go off all night long, 100%. 
> Call 314-364-8188 for info and directions!
> (And now that central missouri has expanded in population so much in the 
> past few years, the new area code is 573, and 314 shall be phased out in 
> the next 6 months.  Both currently work!)
> 
> --------------------------------
> Daniel Smith - Dj 0977
> Solid State - DJ Pro shop & Promotions (314) or (573) 442-0977/499-0783 
> robi@tiger.coe.missouri.edu   http://tiger.coe.missouri.edu/~robi
> Columbia Raves homepage - http://tiger.coe.missouri.edu/~pixel/raves
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

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Hey all...

This just in.....Just to clear up any rumors that Headrush may be
cancelled....THAT IS NOT TRUE.  I know some ppl were told that the promoters
lost their original space and was in the process of finding another one.
WEll, they do have a space.  They were hoping to get another one but the
construction being done on it wont be finished on time.  BUT THEY DO HAVE A
SPACE so the party will go off.  So I hope to you all there. :)

Lucy

Source:  A friend of mine (Olivia) knows the promoter of the party (mark)
and spoke with him last night. So this info is good.


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Its really sad to hear people say "who cares" about flyer art.

Art and Design are more important than you think.
Have some art appreciation guys- everything would be alot shittier 
without it.

Rave flyer artwork is an extremely strong statement about the culture. 

All great cultures can be measured by their art. And the rave scene 
should be even more because of its futurism and defining characteristics 
that seemingly came out of nowhere in a short few years.

If you're going to bitch about how art doesn't matter, than stop wearing 
your beads/big pants/light sticks/pacifyers/retro t-shirts/bright hair/ 
and doin your designer drugs or whatever.... Coz its all part of the 
same thing...

I think flyer artwork is dying tho- I'd like to see more underground 
stuff (and YES! maybe that IS just a b/w xeroxd 3x5 card!) worthy of 
hanging in a future design gallery about our scene and what it was all 
about and why we liked it so much.

And PS- if anyone out there NEEDS some fresh flyer design, drop me a 
line & check me out at:


http://www.execpc.com/~cyaxares


-chris

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>Hey all...
>
>This just in.....Just to clear up any rumors that Headrush may be
>cancelled....THAT IS NOT TRUE.  I know some ppl were told that the promoters
>lost their original space and was in the process of finding another one.
>WEll, they do have a space.  They were hoping to get another one but the
>construction being done on it wont be finished on time.  BUT THEY DO HAVE A
>SPACE so the party will go off.  So I hope to you all there. :)
>
>Lucy
>
>Source:  A friend of mine (Olivia) knows the promoter of the party (mark)
>and spoke with him last night. So this info is good.


I'll definitely be there.  I've been looking foreward to this party for
quite some time now.  I hope to see all you cool cats there, and maybe we
can meet up at some point during the night.  Laterz.


-=(  Dave Justice   )=-
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Hey!  If anyone knows tigger's email addy or phone number can you please
send it to me?  I need to speak to him!  Tigger if you get this please email
me back. :)

Lucy


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> Nope.  The universe is finite, it's just huge.  By calculating the age of
> the universe since the big bang, and multiplying that by the speed of light
> in all directions from the center of the universe, you get a really
> big sphere.
 
well the big bang concept is a theory, so it could be true but also
maybe it's not. & if things were going at the speed of light they
might turn into energy (according 2 the theory of relativity if i'm
remembering right...). i think there's another thing 2 consider with
the above formula. the universe is slowly running down as it
expands. it's expanding slower & getting colder. according to some
ideas, the entropy in the universe is constantly increasing, so
it's reaching higher + higher degrees of disorder. but it's also
possible that the implicate order of the universe is unfolding and
that what looks like disorder to us is actually order, only it's so
complicated, we can't see the pattern. another thing that could happen
(or be happening) is the big bang happens--an explosion--then
billions, trillions, whatever yrs later it goes into reverse--an
implosion. this could happen repeatedly + if it moves in a 4d circle,
history can repeat itself, on a cosmic level.
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Well, INFERNO yesterday was spite the bad rap it got and all the garbage talk
about what kind of Rave it's going to be,  was a cool Rave for being
commercialized from Ticketmaster, etc...  I didn't really like some of the
dj's though and at times,  I thought I was at a B96 concert with some of the
mixes! But I just wanted to say this Party for being a Chicago Rave was still
and ok deal too....  Sorry this review is so short, I'm still recovering!!!

PEACE>LOVE>UNITY>DANCE

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now here's someone really into the scene......into something to

be certain!  ;>

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From: rustic@plainfield.bypass.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 96 15:09:52 PST
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goddammit i had strange dream this night...
i don't know whether it was caused by a book i was reading
on mind control in scientology and all that weird sci-fi shit
they teach, or an email i was finishing to someone about music...
but i went to sleep at 5am really exhausted... and maybe the
combination of the two subjects resulted in this...

...well, i dreamt that i went to aphex twin's apartment (kinda like the
apartment i used to live in NYC) and we were talking about electronic
music, and about composing it and stuff... and we got into a argument,
because he just wouldn't tell me how he modulated the frequency cutoff
on his on his equipment.  see, he didn't use MIDI control numbers  to
control the parameters... he used some homemade mystical gadget thing
that looked like a old dirty toaster and he wouldn't tell me what the
hell it is and how it works..!!!.
..and so we started arguing, and i just *had* to know...
i kept saying, 'what's the big deal?! why can't just tell me what you
use?!'
..and then the whole room started filling with a pink foam...
and then the dream switched into something else...
strange huh?

..this was my third aphex dream by the way...

(see, *this* is what you get when you listen to too much ambient-
 you get strange dreams, ...you go tell a shrink...and then he locks you
 up in some nut-house...)

from
a rustic
-<J>
'bafbuabfi'
<G>

                ...b l a c k  n o i s e  g e n e r a t o r...

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i'll tell you something about my dreams, no shit.

sometimes my dreams cease to be viewed out of my own eyes, and become text.
more specifically, they become the green-text-on-black background or
black-text-on-white-background of VRAVE.  people are saying things, and i
can hear them just fine, but their voices are like an echo in my head, and
i am reading all their words in front of me.  in addition their actions are
typed with little *'s around them.  this has also happened to me in REALITY
on at least 4 occasions at parties when i have been severely out of my
gourd.

anyone else?  hm?  think i vrave a bit too much?

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

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"where's that voice coming from?
 from.....from *nowhere*??!?"
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with all this talk about universe & dimensions, i thought i'd 
forward a letter sent to me by ecto, one of the more enlightened
ravers off of ne-raves from montreal canada after his visit to
san francisco. he talks about the alien influence there & the
different vibrational levels of reality in the universe...

=========================================================================== 
        Hey wassup?
        How ya doing? I just wanted to say that, while i was in San Fran, i
finally got a chance to read Bringers of the Dawn. And, uhh, whoa. WHOA!
It's pretty heavy (haha, i sound like a stoner surfer/hippy already, i'll
fit right in when i move to SF ;).
        Yeah i just wanted to thank you (along with many others) for the
recommendation. I really want to read it again so i can get a better flavor
for it, but SF was _the best_ place to read it (of course, as something
like that _always_ comes to you at *just the right time* ;) because San
Fran is ALIEN CENTRAL! I can't believe how much 'alien' stuff i saw.
EVERYWHERE! T-shirts, posters, flyers, it's all through not only the raver
scene but also the greatful dead scene, man there were alien BONGS! hahaha
go figure. I think SF is probably a big psychic landing strip for them ;)
        Seriously, though, i have had some weird shit happen to me lately,
it's making life so interesting. Like that annoying "seeing things out of
the corner of my eyes" thing, which i didn't think much of (or thought it
was just happening because i was perpetually hungry and tired while i was
in SF, but it's happening all the time back here too).  I didn't think much
until i read that interview with China in PLRM, then i started to get a
real creepy weird feeling. Woo woo! Life is so exciting and interesting
when you realize you really don't know much of what's _really_ going on. :)
        Oh and about different vibrational levels of reality:
string/superstring theory in contemporary physics looks to be able to back
that up, though the physics right now is so way over my head i can barely
figure it out. Basically it posits a 10-layer vibrational model of
'reality' in which all the layers resonate with each other in a holographic
way, there's a cool thing about the holographic unity model on the
celestine home page if your'e interested and haven't seen it yet :)
        Anyways, just wanted to say hi and give ya an update as to what's
going on, hope all is well
        peace,
                brad

========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\======================
                ectographics: print design : HTML programming
    >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >>
"if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency
======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/====================

==============================================================================

with all this talk about flyer design. i just wanted to point out that it
was brad & ectographics to first incorporate 'plur' in flyers in canada.

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allroy sed:
==================================================================
i'll tell you something about my dreams, no shit.

sometimes my dreams cease to be viewed out of my own eyes, and become text.
more specifically, they become the green-text-on-black background or
black-text-on-white-background of VRAVE.  people are saying things, and i
can hear them just fine, but their voices are like an echo in my head, and
i am reading all their words in front of me.  in addition their actions are
typed with little *'s around them.  this has also happened to me in REALITY
on at least 4 occasions at parties when i have been severely out of my
gourd.

anyone else?  hm?  think i vrave a bit too much?

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy
====================================================================

hell, i'm not on vrave & i can attest that allroy is the vrave king!
ahhh but do u get the vrave keyboard finger jitters like kate duz?
i think skinner on ne-raves put it the best: vrave = crack.

could someone please help allroy find a job, so he doesn't have to
survive on vrave & ramen anymore.

btw, michael consider yur 'bork' t-shirt under design...

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when confronted by this problem i was told to get 2 heavy sheets of glass 
and lay the rekkid in between the sheets and put it outside under the sun 
on a hot day. i know that in it self is kinda vague. i have noticed that 
many djax rekkid are bowed in the shape of a very shallow bowl. this type 
of warp is not easily noticed, but is caused when the record is pressed 
by taking out the record before it is completely cooled. i was 
considering to try to make this record completely flat by one of the 
methods brought up on this list.. does anyone know the proper method fix it?

Mark-E D

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Forwarded message:
> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:26:52 -0500
> From: Stephan Lien <sulivan@cat.net>
> Subject: "What is a Rave" archive :)
> 
> Hello...I am going to start a new rave related archive....it will be called
> "What is a Rave"....and I would like your help :)....I would like as much
> input as possible about what you think a rave is, should be or was :)...it
> can be one word or 2 pages....I will probably put them up on the
> page....they don't have to be neccesarly have good things about
> raves....because like everything there is a bad side to raving :(...but if
> you choose to participate...please tell me how you would like to be
> recognized (ie. a link to your e-mail addy, or homepage or annonymous or
> whatever)....and also thank you for your support....please forward this to
> any list I may have missed or anyone you think might be intrested :)....and
> if there is already an archive like this up (I couldn't find one) than
> please tell me :)
> 
> also please reply to me in private e-mail as I have no time to read all the
> lists this is being posted too :)
> 
> thank you again
> 
> Smile
> 
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Forwarded message:
> From: lollipop@red-branch.MIT.EDU
> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:14 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: So ends another chapter.....
> 
> 
>      This is my farewell to anyone I didn't get a chance to say goodbye 
> to on vrave....
>    Saturday afternoon, I requested Bella to remove my account from vrave.....
> I have been logging on over 2 years now.... To a point where vrave and 
> the friends i have met there have become a part of my life...  Yet, 
> everytime i log on these days.. i become more and more sad...
>     It is a continual argument about whose music is better than whoever 
> else's music, who's scene is better than whoever else's scene, what sex 
> is better than the other... etc..... I think that many people have 
> forgotten how to say something nice and how to have an open mind....  
>    It's not just vrave, it's the rave scene in general..... Each time I 
> go to a rave, I am saddened.... I tried to make a difference, but I don't 
> have enough power or stamina or patience to try anymore... I think it's 
> time to move on.....   Take what i have learned from the experience, both 
> good and bad, and get on with my life........
>    I am maintaining my email address and staying on the boston-raves 
> mailing list.... so, if anyone wants to get in touch with me, i will 
> always be here....
>    Farewell, and thanks to everyone for making this experience good in 
> many many ways.....
> jen hill (aka jill)
> ******************************************************************************
>    JEN HILL - PLANETARY GROOVE COLLECTIVE
>       LOLLIPOP - THE SUCCUWHATEVAH
>       The necessary condition for the existence of PEACE and JOY, is the
>       knowledge that peace and joy exist. -Unknown Origin
> home page:
>     http//:www.demon.co.uk/objective/virtual/Lollipop/Home1.html
>  (aka-demongirl)
> ******************************************************************************
> 

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>My caveat with Ticketmaster is that suddenly the "underground" -
>whatever the fuck that is - suddenly is allowing above ground
>corporations to reap a profit on our shit.
>
>earache
>
>Professor Earache
>=================>
>beatPHREAKsociety

in my opinion,the cutting edge is found only in the morphing shadows of the
underground, where constant imagination osmosis keep it evolving.  The true
underground never dies it just changes names. Rave is the FUTURE,the future
is here,FIND IT AND DONT LET GO!!!  bLiTz

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From: Anthony John Vuolo <drtechno@csd.uwm.edu>
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Well, I'm pretty pissed off and upset about the shit that happened in Chicago
last week.

here's my story --- brief version

Okay, the names will be changed for this post.

Okay, last week, I call john doe from Happy records in CHicago, and ask
him If he can put me on the guest list for the Heaven party since he
is one of the sponsors, etc etc..

He says sure, He'll take care of it, and that he is more than happy to do this
for me since his record label is possibly thinking about releasing a track of mine.

okay, so I forget to ask him where the party is, and I go to the map point 
for directions.  There I am givin lots of shit by some kid half
my age, and a lady who could be my grandma, after awhile agruing with 
them, they decide to let me know where the party is, even though they 
do not believe that I know anybody in chicago, or that I produce music, etc... They think I'm lying so I can get the info and sneak in the party whatever!
They were also rude to another promoter from Indiana who wanted to find out
the location so he could hand out flyers.  They totally refused to give
him the directions, so one I got the directions, I let him copy them.

Once I araive at the HEaven party, I go, in and give my business card
to "big bubba" who is the ringleader of this whole shit.  He says, 
"who the fuck are you", adn I explained to him, and he said fine,"I'll let
you in", okay, I said, John doe said I could bring a guest as well.  He says, 
Well, JOhn doe is a fuckhead and he never told me about this.  I 
kept on explaing to him that I thought that this was all taken care of and That I
was pretty pissed about all thge bad vibes at the map point, etc.  He told
me he didn;t give two shits, and said, what "you can;t afford 20 dollars?"
I said, that wasn;t the point.

Finally he let me and my friend in, after about 20 minutes of arguing.

After this experience, it leads me to belive that
this Chicago promoter has his head up his fucking ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is sure good at making enemies, and even if it was the other guys fault
from the label, he stil; shouldn;t have started to swear at me, and act like
a complete fuck face!

His true colours showed last night, and I totally see that he is a piece
of scum, and is just in it for the cash to be had!

peace and love
tony -- trying hard to believe in the scene


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hmmmm, i wonder if the following post could be about vibe-o-capitalists and
a party called inferno.....sounds typical of my experiences with the same
people.....hey some people are in it for the scene and the vibe, some are
in it for other reasons....oh by the way vibe-o-capitalists krew, this is
fact, not to be confused with my opinion as with the pre-party posts!!!


>Well, I'm pretty pissed off and upset about the shit that happened in Chicago
>last week.
>
>here's my story --- brief version
>
>Okay, the names will be changed for this post.
>
>Okay, last week, I call john doe from Happy records in CHicago, and ask
>him If he can put me on the guest list for the Heaven party since he
>is one of the sponsors, etc etc..
>
>He says sure, He'll take care of it, and that he is more than happy to do this
>for me since his record label is possibly thinking about releasing a track
>of mine.
>
>okay, so I forget to ask him where the party is, and I go to the map point
>for directions.  There I am givin lots of shit by some kid half
>my age, and a lady who could be my grandma, after awhile agruing with
>them, they decide to let me know where the party is, even though they
>do not believe that I know anybody in chicago, or that I produce music,
>etc... They think I'm lying so I can get the info and sneak in the party
>whatever!
>They were also rude to another promoter from Indiana who wanted to find out
>the location so he could hand out flyers.  They totally refused to give
>him the directions, so one I got the directions, I let him copy them.
>
>Once I araive at the HEaven party, I go, in and give my business card
>to "big bubba" who is the ringleader of this whole shit.  He says,
>"who the fuck are you", adn I explained to him, and he said fine,"I'll let
>you in", okay, I said, John doe said I could bring a guest as well.  He says,
>Well, JOhn doe is a fuckhead and he never told me about this.  I
>kept on explaing to him that I thought that this was all taken care of and
>That I
>was pretty pissed about all thge bad vibes at the map point, etc.  He told
>me he didn;t give two shits, and said, what "you can;t afford 20 dollars?"
>I said, that wasn;t the point.
>
>Finally he let me and my friend in, after about 20 minutes of arguing.
>
>After this experience, it leads me to belive that
>this Chicago promoter has his head up his fucking ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>He is sure good at making enemies, and even if it was the other guys fault
>from the label, he stil; shouldn;t have started to swear at me, and act like
>a complete fuck face!
>
>His true colours showed last night, and I totally see that he is a piece
>of scum, and is just in it for the cash to be had!
>
>peace and love
>tony -- trying hard to believe in the scene

**********************Tear It Down & Let The Truth Begin!!********************
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    /   /     /   /     /  /  /     /  /    Network 10 Productions
   /   /_____/   /     /  /  /     /  /     Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA, Earth
  /   __    /   /     /  /  /     /  /      blitz@earth.execpc.com
 /   /_/   /   /_____/  /  /     /  /_____
/_________/_________/__/__/     /________/
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jan 21 23:33:10 1996
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Space: That silly Dolton expo "cafeteria-style-8th-grade-sock-hop-space".

Music: I thought Joey Beltram was good until I heard Westbam who was
       really-really good. Westbam wasn't buried in the turntables like
       I've seen other djs. He was always checkin out the crowd and
       doing a little dance. Really into seeing people having fun.

Lights: Well, Dolton is not a good space to try to transform with lights 
        but the loops I saw were great (especially the devil cartoon) and 
        some well placed beams.

Vibe:  I was happy - as were my friends. I guess thats all that matters. My 
       good mood was *almost* killed by this snotty girl that wouldn;t 
       give me a light unless I gave her my press pass or wallet chain. I 
       thought she was kidding. She wasn't. Whatever.

I didn't stay for anyone after westbam. I'm curious what Brownie was 
like. Anyone? How was Mars?

mike


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well a while ago i made terry mad coz i said something about his spinning 
a "boring" set...well it's mostly an aesthetic thing, sometimes you just 
don't like what a dj spins even tho you may respect their skills...

but no doubt this time, terry ripped it up hard at mekka tonight.
chicago may be wack as far as drugged-out kids and promoters go, but this 
dj knows how to drop it nice and hard.  tweaked-out, minimal-style, 
unlike what i'm used to hearing from terry, but a welcome uplift for me...

and i must say, what i was telling you all about columbus is still 
true...the vibe just keeps on building here, i'm afraid it's going to 
burst!  it'll be great when that happens tho...like a big "o." *snicker*

but seriously, folks...i'm proud to be a part of this tight little 
scene...i hope some of you will come out and experience it sometime :)
++ 
e d

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>hey is this adam from chicago????

Nope, this is Adam from Lexington, Ky.  Woo, woo.

adam


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Creeping away to spend more time on lists that tickle my neurons
better (aka music-related lists).

A few parting shots:

1) Take the astronomy talk to an appropriate list, and get real
   knowledge instead of fumbling in the dark (warehouse metaphor intended)

2) Socialism/Libertarianism/Capitalism:  ditto.

3) Aliens.  There are some fabulous Usenet groups, including one devoted 
   to "The X-files".

4) Jen Hill.  Our loss that she's backing out of the current net scene.
   Positivity counts for a lot.

5) Ed Luna.  Go to Columbus.  Meet this guy.  He's got something goin' on.
   And he'll make you THINK.  ;)

6) Go ahead, treat all sorts of new experimental chemicals like candy.
   But in between, visit Intensive Care units, methadone clinics,
   homeless shelters, and psychiatric wards.  I mean, you oughta plan
   for your future, right.  (was that over the top?)

7) If you really don't care about the music, please stop listening 
   to it. 

See y'all on 313, DUB, IDM, Moveable-parts, etc. etc.
I'm out like a graduatin' granpappy...

--
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ae890@detroit.freenet.org     delerium  b: to speak out wildly  c: to 
                              talk with extreme enthusiasm  2: to move
--                            or advance violently" 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jan 22 08:12:44 1996
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Hello  I am new to the list.  Today is my first day as a matter of fact.  I
would like to introduce myself.  My name is Trevor Lamont and I am a
Lexington, Kentucky based d.j. and promoter. I have d.j.'d all over the
midwest and east coast and my list of parties as promoter are as follows:

January 21,1995 Lovebomb in Newark, Delaware
        Robert Armani, Mystic Bill, Astroboy, Scott Henry, King             
        Britt, On-e, and Chip B

February 19,1995 Secret Service in Newark, Delaware
        King Britt, Tee Alford

March 4,1995 Imagine in Akron, Ohio
        Mike Dearborn, Dub Tribe, Goodwill, Sleepy C
        (I was involved more in the day of work for this party,            
          not as much pre-party planning)

April 15,1995 Deliverance in Cleveland, Ohio
        Mystic Bill, Sleepy C, Chip B, Carlos, Paul Johnson

July 1 and 2, 1995 Family Affair in Canton, Ohio
        Afrika Bambaataa, Dub Tribe, Scott Hardkiss, Robbie    
        Hardkiss, Dante, Terry Mullan, Scott Henry, Feelgood, 
        Juan Atkins, Dieselboy, Sleepy C, Dave Trance, and many 
        others.

December 21,1995  a Christmas Anomoly in Lexington, KY
        Dwynn, Melloman

March 2,1996 Thump in Lexington, Kentucky
        Dante, Eric Haupt, Sleepy C, Sean Cantinella, plus others

May ?,1996 ??????? in Lexington , Kentucky
         line-up to be announced

I hope to see everyone during my travels.  Come up and say hi if you see me
so that I can put faces to names of everyone on-line.  Peace and love.
                                          trevor lamont


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!!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!!
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Forwarded message:
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:16:14 -0600 (CST)
> From: 38K5HONMYHRM@vmsa.csd.mu.edu
> Subject: mars
> 
> mars was RAD!!!  the price was good . the dj's were good. the space was ggod and
> the sound was good.  all i can say is that my ears are still recovering after
> deadly buddah.  it was hard and loud!!! seemed like most people were dancing in
> the main room and also in the smaller second room. the rent a cops who were
> there (this was a legal event) even commented how impressed they were. i think
> they expected alot of fights and drinking.  the after hours was kewl too, all
> the fresh fruit oranges, apples, pinapple, ect  and pancakes you could eat for
> a buck!!!   i would like to see what others who were there thought.  oh yeah.
> oo.the people who were there were friendly tp(ARGH this freaking mail program
> suck!!)  the people there were rad. i dont htink i have ever met so many
> non-e-slobbering people at a party before!!!
> love ya'll ooodles
> 
> 

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*GULP* here I go, trying to undermine one of mw-raves foremost 
authorities, French-E (that's not sarcasm):

> But, we are evolving, we are progressing. People will not go to a party with 
> just a black and white flier. this is the end of the 90"s. PArties are getting 
> larger. People want bigger and more colorfull fliers, more sound, more lights 
> and more videos.

    This is all true, except there are a handful of us that WILL go 
to low-budget parties, if these parties exist. House parties, e.g. 
People want more than a circus, they want a vibe, they want to meet 
people on more than a surface level. Let's not see "raves" become 
Pink Floyd concerts...

> So please stop bitching about the flier and move along.

i agree, the point has been made...

> It is the same for the prices at parties. People want more DJs, more sound, 
> more lights more videos, guess what this cost money, therfore the parties are 
> getting more expensive and the only people to blame are us for demanding more. 

Yes, but the quality of the party SHOULD and MUST justify the price 
asked. Otherwise, in economic terms, it's a rip-off, pure and simple. 
We want what we paid for, we want what was promised in writing. We 
demand the same of most any other purchase, a car or a tour; if 
anti-lock brakes and a continental breakfast are not delivered, we 
bitch. We're brats, we're consumers, and we think we're right... But, 
yeah, we're not always.

> Why is it that people got to bitch and bitch all the time.

It's only because we care, and we hate to see ourselves and our 
friends waste precious time and money. 

> Also, I would like to mention (IMHO) that raves don't exsits anymore since 
> years. Rave are parties solely promoted by : "I heard there is a rave at..." 
> once a flier, a voice mail or anything commercial is announced, it is no 
> longer a rave. Also a  rave us to be the place were people came to drop there 
> E. A rave is anything but commercial. People brake in warehouse, setup the 
> sound (there was not lights, or minimal), drop there E and dance until it got 
> busted. The word rave has been miss used for years. Anyone that has been in 
> the "scene" since the later 80's will 100% agree with me. (I feel really old 
> by saying that).
   Yes and no to this. The old definition of "raves" in 1988 is not 
the same defintion of "raves" in 1996. Language is always changing, 
like everything else, and new and relative definitions exist for 
antiquated terms. I can't agree that rave is a misused term because 
it doesn't fit old definitions. That's like saying sex isn't sex if 
you don't perform male into female penetration. There are too many 
variations on the old definition that now fall under the term "sex". 
Same with raves.

Sheesh, sorry to go off, but I felt inclined to dispute this post. 
I always walk out of a Biblical History and Ideas class before I read 
my mail, and it always gets my mind into pseudo-analytic mode, know 
what I mean...?

Back to more rave-related fluff...
blender

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Regarding Tony's incredibly shitty Chicago experience:


I am super disappointed and disgusted by the scene that took place at 
Heaven for you.  If I didn't have the good fortune to know some 
really good promoters, etc., I could be easily disillusioned by all 
the shit that's happening in the scene.  Actually even with the 
knowledge of good people out there it's hard to not let events like 
that bring you down.  

Where are all the people that believe in the vibe and the music and 
not the drugs and the money?

I know we're out there.  Let's stand up for the real scene and not 
let bullshit like this shut it down.

Keepin the dream alive : )
elka

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C. Jason Clark
_/›__/›__/›__/
/  ›/  ›/  ›/

At first I didn't think I was going to go anywhere this
weekend...nothing was happening very close to Louisville & I have been
strapped for cash as of lately. But around 3:00 Saturday I said "fuck
it" and decided to go to Inferno. Chicago isn't very high up on my list
of favorite places to rave out, but unfortunately, they are one of the
only cities in the midwest with enough money to bring in the big talent
from outside the MW. So... up to Chicago we went...me, my friend Mike,
and my wife Disa. I didn't have very high expectations for this party,
mainly because it was in Chicago and all the talk on this list over the
last week. But I do not regret going at all! I had a great time, a rave
is what you make it... as long as the music is there and you have a
positive mindset, there is no reason not to have a good time at any
party.

GOOD POINTS:

Westbam...Westbam...motherfucking WESTBAM!!! I have a hard time going
non-stop in front of the speakers nowadays, but during his 3 hour set, I
could not be moved from them. This DJ is definitely a must see! (and hear)!

Got to see a lot of people I haven't seen in awhile.

The film loops were killer.

The FLYER: any party flier that stirs up that much controversy over flyer
art is OK in my book  :)  (remember Faded?)

BAD POINTS:

Chicago is one of the only places that I ever see really bad attitudes.
The guy selling tickets at the map point, the people at the door, the
people selling drinks ($2 for a canned drink?).

Drugs in Chicago are WAY out of hand. I was offered E about a million
times, and was offered COCAINE for the first time. Sheesh.


All in all, the good points far outweighed the bad ones.

Does anyone know if there is still to be an ANOMALY in Lexington this weekend?
Isn't Feelgood and T. Mullan supposed to be there?

     "He who passes not his days in the realm
      of dreams is the slave of the days."
            Kahlil Gibran

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dj trevor lamont sed:
=================================================================

Hello  I am new to the list.  Today is my first day as a matter of fact.  I
would like to introduce myself.  My name is Trevor Lamont and I am a
Lexington, Kentucky based d.j. and promoter. I have d.j.'d all over the
midwest and east coast and my list of parties as promoter are as follows:

January 21,1995 Lovebomb in Newark, Delaware
        Robert Armani, Mystic Bill, Astroboy, Scott Henry, King             
        Britt, On-e, and Chip B

February 19,1995 Secret Service in Newark, Delaware
        King Britt, Tee Alford

March 4,1995 Imagine in Akron, Ohio
        Mike Dearborn, Dub Tribe, Goodwill, Sleepy C
        (I was involved more in the day of work for this party,            
          not as much pre-party planning)

April 15,1995 Deliverance in Cleveland, Ohio
        Mystic Bill, Sleepy C, Chip B, Carlos, Paul Johnson

July 1 and 2, 1995 Family Affair in Canton, Ohio
        Afrika Bambaataa, Dub Tribe, Scott Hardkiss, Robbie    
        Hardkiss, Dante, Terry Mullan, Scott Henry, Feelgood, 
        Juan Atkins, Dieselboy, Sleepy C, Dave Trance, and many 
        others.

December 21,1995  a Christmas Anomoly in Lexington, KY
        Dwynn, Melloman

March 2,1996 Thump in Lexington, Kentucky
        Dante, Eric Haupt, Sleepy C, Sean Cantinella, plus others

May ?,1996 ??????? in Lexington , Kentucky
         line-up to be announced

I hope to see everyone during my travels.  Come up and say hi if you see me
so that I can put faces to names of everyone on-line.  Peace and love.
===========================================================================

i would like to be the first to welcome trevor to the list since
trevor was one of the first people i interviewd in PLRM. plus i
went to & helped promo all the parties he listed except the 2nd
delaware party & the partys in kentucky. even did the cleveland
bus trip for his 1st party - love bomb, one of the highest vibed
partys ever experienced on the east coast cuz he brought over all
that midwest flava. not only is trevor one of better house & acid
dj's out there, he's also one of the nicest person u'll ever meet.

btw, trev me & u've got alot of catchin up to do!

--
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stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
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trev sed:
=================================================================
March 4,1995 Imagine in Akron, Ohio
        Mike Dearborn, Dub Tribe, Goodwill, Sleepy C
        (I was involved more in the day of work for this party,            
          not as much pre-party planning)
=================================================================

tee hee, i think u mean tripper information system instead of
dubtribe here. i remember cuz they crashed in my apartment after
the party. and my roommate had to take them to airport!

--
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On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> trev sed:
> =================================================================
> March 4,1995 Imagine in Akron, Ohio
>         Mike Dearborn, Dub Tribe, Goodwill, Sleepy C
>         (I was involved more in the day of work for this party,            
>           not as much pre-party planning)
> =================================================================
> 
> tee hee, i think u mean tripper information system instead of
> dubtribe here. i remember cuz they crashed in my apartment after
> the party. and my roommate had to take them to airport!

Although this party occurs during a block of my memory which is no longer 
intact I'm pretty sure DubTribe was there. 

Eric

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Unfortunately the January Anomaly has been postponed.  There might still be a 
house party kind of thing going on here that night, but the party itself has
been postponed.

Maybe Kell could update us on all that..... KELL???

*~cosmic~~~

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APRIL 19-21                   CHICAGO                          TWISTED


        ATP and MAJESTY bring you a weekend of Mental Music...

                    T   W   I   S   T   E   D

                           featuring...
  

 
      * * *   S V E N   V A T H   * * *   -   Frankfurt, Germany

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|> trev sed:
|> =================================================================
|> March 4,1995 Imagine in Akron, Ohio
|>         Mike Dearborn, Dub Tribe, Goodwill, Sleepy C
|>         (I was involved more in the day of work for this party,           

|>           not as much pre-party planning)
|> =================================================================
|>
|> tee hee, i think u mean tripper information system instead of
|> dubtribe here. i remember cuz they crashed in my apartment after
|> the party. and my roommate had to take them to airport!
|
|Although this party occurs during a block of my memory which is no  
|longer
|intact I'm pretty sure DubTribe was there.
|
|Eric  
\____________________________________________________________________/ 


Now I KNOW for a a fact the dubtribe was there because it was the  
first time i had ever seen them.  It was Sunday morning; the same  
time Juan Atkins was on and they brought their own system.  I caught  
both. :9

mint
_____________________________________________________________________


             Close the difference, and open the mind.

_____________________________________________________________________
Scott "Likes His Toast Buttered" Bartlett	Lexington, KY   [=o)




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Right on!

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>Now I KNOW for a a fact the dubtribe was there because it was the
>first time i had ever seen them.  It was Sunday morning; the same
>time Juan Atkins was on and they brought their own system.  I caught
>both. :9

scott is thinking of family affair.  imagine was a few months earlier.
dubtribe was at BOTH parties.

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
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Actually both Dubtribe and Tripper Information Systems played at Imagine. My
fault for omitting TIS.

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From: italia@iglou.com (Jennifer Palmer)
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as far as the january anamoly being postponed....

last Iknew it was gonna be sometime in march...
probably...

jen

Jennifer Palmer
*Italia* 
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There was talk of having something on the 27th here in lexington.  I had
agreed to help out, but, the people involved decided it was just  a little
too short of a notice for them to throw anything together.  So, sorry Jim
that's all I know...  :)


                Peace LOVE Unity Respect  PLURality  --Kell

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Recently someone posted a "few parting shots" to the MW-raves list.  This
list.  I don't remember who... honestly I really didn't even care at the
time.  "Great," I thought, "if you don't like it, then, by all means, unsub
and quit complaining."  Later it started eating at me... Then I read
Blender's post about the word "rave" and how language changes... That's
when it struck me.  I realized why this stupid post about what should and
should not be on the MW-raves list was bothering me so damn much:

Who the hell can actually stand up here or anywhere and say, as if they
were the almighty messiah of "raves", what a "rave" is supposed to be
about?  I mean as far as I know there isn't a handbook anywhere.  No stone
tablets in a golden box.  "Raves" from what I was told years ago weren't
even about breaking into warehouses and taking e and dancing all night
long.  What I was told was that "raves" were a responce to Thatcherism in
the UK and a form of protest.  The word most closely associated with RANT
(ranting and raving)  was used to indicate a form of political protest
specifically targetted at Margaret Thatcher and her views.

Obviously that doesn't hold true here... maybe in canada by some stretch of
the imagination, but not here.  "Raves" have EVOLVED... no one invented
it... people were doing something and someone gave it a name.  That's it!
period.  I don't see how you can say that any of the stuff on that list
doesn't apply to "raves"  we all derive our inspiration from lots of
different points.  ALL of these topics feed what we do.  No one in the late
1800's thought common people were very good subjects for paintings or that
folk music was a good inspiration for a symphony... but some brave souls
had to pioneer ahead and explore...

I just finished reading "Virtual Light" by William Gibson, and in that book
he describes a community that exists on what used to be the Golden Gate
Bridge in SF... it is a ramshackle collection of boxes and junk fashioned
into a tight knit community.  Its all bits and peices but it comes together
to make a whole living evolving thing... a community.  There isn't even a
uniform sewage system! but it works, it works well... there is no agenda;
it just is ,and people have to get around that fact.

The "rave" community is alot like that... not many people even know why
they are doing what they are doing anymore... the original reason is lost.
Everyone has brought new reasons to the group and because of that the
meaning of a "rave", if you could say there was a meaning to a "rave", is
much richer and has more depth.  In a sense, that complexity and PLURality
of meanings is what is keeping the whole thing from being a pop trend
outright!  If it were just about taking drugs, breaking onto private
property and dancing all night... hell, every kid in america would be doing
it... just like on Beverly Hills 90210.  But its not, and when people try
to say it is they just look stupid (especially when they do it on TV).

And lets try to remember that, even though we say, "its ALL about the
music," the music comes from somewhere.  The music is a product of a very
basic idea, or set of ideas... people have to be motivated to make music.
It's not the technology or the machines either... they are tools.  That
inspiration to deviate from the societal norms, and stay up all night and
dance yourself silly, possibly ingest allien chemicals, and listen to music
that is pretty much relegated to commercials on MTV... that inspiration has
to come from somewhere.  It may be the hope that alien societies will come
and be friends with us, it may be the hope of a more perfect human society,
it may be a religious/cosmic experience...

What happens when people forget about the roots of inspiration and go off
half cocked exploiting technology without an understanding of its cultural
impact... Suburban Developments, Atomic weapons, MTV, Corporate Law... get
it?  Its all pretty hollow from a human point of view isn't it?

Sure there are a lot of lists for people who wanna talk about aliens or
physics... so what.  I wanna talk about what "raves" are about.. and if
they're gona be about aliens for someone then HEY! GREAT! and anyone who
has a problem with why someone goes to parties should maybe reconsider why
THEY are going to them...

We are all in it together!


            Peace LOVE Unity Respect  PLURality (and I mean it) --Kell

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elka,

> 
> Where are all the people that believe in the vibe and the music and 
> not the drugs and the money?

we're here, we're in it for the people and the music, and we're 
looking for you, and the rest of the ppl in chicago, the midwest, and 
the world who are asking this question.

 
> I know we're out there.  Let's stand up for the real scene and not 
> let bullshit like this shut it down.
> 
> Keepin the dream alive : )
> elka
> 
> 
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> Sure there are a lot of lists for people who wanna talk about aliens or
> physics... so what.  I wanna talk about what "raves" are about.. and if
> they're gona be about aliens for someone then HEY! GREAT! and anyone who
> has a problem with why someone goes to parties should maybe reconsider why
> THEY are going to them...
> 
> We are all in it together!
> 


indeed.  we are not just individuals, we are a community.  we are not 
strange to one another, we may be incomprehensible to a large portion 
of society, but we seem to understand each other.

why?

what it it that we share?

this past weekend......i had a lot of neat experiences.  one of the 
things i did was a good conversation with a close friend of mine.  we 
tried to figure out what made us (not just the two of us, but the 
community of us) different than the other people in this cookie-cutter 
society.




clothesmusicdancingtechnologyideasattitudesforesightcommunicationcreativity

                          i mean, what is it to you?



how did you first come to be a part of the rave scene?  i would be 
interested to know what brought you into it.  why were you at your 
first rave?  when did it click for you that this was somehow 
different from 'normal life' and, because of that, was for you?

some of you have been here for years, some of you have only been to 
a couple of parties, there are probably people on this list who have 
never been to a party.  what do you think of all the noise we are 
making here?

what kind of a role does raving play in your life?  is it a form of 
neo-church, where you go to become spiritually refreshed or is it 
your little concession to decadence because nobody's perfect?  do you 
just tag along with your friends and wind up at these  crazy parties 
or do you mark up your planner months in advance?

you're a net raver, how long have you been so?  why do you continue 
to subject your email account to hundreds of messages weekly from a 
list of bitchy geeks?  are you a bitchy geek?  are you computer 
illiterate?  how did you first learn that there was a list like this? 
where/whom did you get that information from?

what are some of your favourite memories from parties?  what kind of 
things are running through your mind when your head is in the 
speaker?  how do you describe the feeling of being pummelled with 
bass to nonravers? have you ever pulled a funky move while the bass 
beats a funky groove?  does your mother know where you are?

where are you now?  has raving changed your life?  how?  are you a 
raver during the day?  do the people at work and school make fun of 
the way you wear your pants?

what do you give back to the scene? (rhetorical)


i want stories.  i want to know WHO we are,  WHY we are here, 
just exactly WHERE it is that we are, and HOW we got there (because 
we have since moved).

indeed.  we are not just a community, we are individuals.

--star*

(and if i remember correctly sulivan's request for input for a new 
website included a request for similar responses, so if you feel 
inclined to respond, i'm sure he'd appreciate a copy as well:  
sulivan@cat.net)


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> From:          Trevor567@aol.com
> Date:          Mon, 22 Jan 1996 20:37:00 -0500
> To:            mw-raves@hyperreal.com
> Subject:       correction

> Actually both Dubtribe and Tripper Information Systems played at Imagine. My
> fault for omitting TIS.
> 
> 

well, trevor, welcome to the list.  with just your intro you've 
discovered what kind of nonsense we dwell on sometimes ;)

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mint sed:
=================================================================
|> trev sed:
|> =================================================================
|> March 4,1995 Imagine in Akron, Ohio
|>         Mike Dearborn, Dub Tribe, Goodwill, Sleepy C
|>         (I was involved more in the day of work for this party,           

|>           not as much pre-party planning)
|> =================================================================
|>
|> tee hee, i think u mean tripper information system instead of
|> dubtribe here. i remember cuz they crashed in my apartment after
|> the party. and my roommate had to take them to airport!
|
|Although this party occurs during a block of my memory which is no  
|longer
|intact I'm pretty sure DubTribe was there.
|
|Eric  
\____________________________________________________________________/ 


Now I KNOW for a a fact the dubtribe was there because it was the  
first time i had ever seen them.  It was Sunday morning; the same  
time Juan Atkins was on and they brought their own system.  I caught  
both. :9

mint
====================================================================

tee hee talk about major confusion. actually the party yur talking 
about w/ juan atkins wuz Family Affair that big ole two day camp
party out in the woods in canton, ohio. but eric is right, dubtribe
& TIS played at Imagine. i sorta forgot becuz that party was really
significant to me for reasons outside of the music.

tee hee seems like ohio gets all the best live acts: dubtribe, TIS,
freaky chakra, rabbit in the moon, GAGA, etc. etc. hell, coming up
on 4/20 will be 420 w/ dubtribe, TIS, ectomorph, plus john aquaviva,
feelgood, who, hyperactive, & more. it's gonna be ruff deciding
between that party & midwest rush w/ clarkee, mastervibe, dougal,
mc/dj ribs, mickey b, diablo, scott forbush, frankie bones, scott
henry, terry mullan, dieselboy, & more. either way, u'll be spending
national pot smoking day w/ some damn fine music!

btw mint did u see the latest PLRM? looks like yur trying to have
'a taste' of star*.

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pebbles sed:
==================================================================
well, oops :)

okay, so now i know what "happy" hardcore is... :)

but still, my point stands, i luv hardcore.  BUT that is not to say i don't
like variety.  Personnally i am getting really excited for Jungle Warfare
this coming weekend, i am determined to dance to jungle.  I dunno, jungle
always puts me in some sort of trance and i always find it hard to get up and
dance to it, but when i do - i have so much fun! so...

Did someone say something about a new BUMP party on fridays?!?  I miss BUMP,
i luved those parties!  

luv
leah
==================================================================

wait yur friends w/ jesse & he didn't tell u about the new 
Bump on fridays, welp here goes...

welp if u haven't heard bump is taking over extreme @ club abruzzi's,     
which is located @ 115th & clifton in lakewood, ohio. here's the
dates & lineups...

January 26 - Resident Night
- Scorpion - Universal Vibe
- Dreamer - Bump, Extreme
- Release - Bump, Extreme
- Fuzz - Bump, Extreme

February 2
- Jinx - Jinxspot Productions
- Dreamer - Bump, Extreme
- Release - Bump, Extreme
- Fuzz - Bump, Extreme 

10pm - 3am. all ages. 21+ to drink. $5 w/ flyer. $6 w/
info: 216.238.1451

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some other stuff coming up in ohio:

Thursdays

Funky Force Production & Stoney's Other Side Nite Club
        
presents

Techno & House Grooves

w/ 25cent drafts

for DJ line-up or Details call 458-8600

601 oberlin rd. elyria, ohio.

$1 off w/ invite

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invitation only!

C H E R R Y

2.23.96

hired help:

Nigel Richards (philly)
Eric Haupt (indy)
Sleepy C (216)
Besto (216)

must reserve ticket to insure entry

$20 @ door      r.s.v.p by 2.22 @ 216.971.9038

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i'm sure i'll bump into u some time @ Extreme Leah,
still can't believe a rave chica that digs thunderdome, wow.
maybe then u can show me how to dance to jungle.

too much to do in the 216, nawwww...

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    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: ecto@magnet.ca (ecto)
    To: vdo@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valiant D OMahony-Gallagher)
    Cc: ne-raves@world.std.com (Buddha is my co-pilot), sxe-L@cornell.edu (I_wanna_tie_you_up_and_gag_you!!!!)
    Subject: Re: |NER| stuff...
    Date: Mon, 22 Jan

    
    At 2:43 PM 1/22/96, Valiant D OMahony-Gallagher wrote:
    >lonliness has to be the worst feeling on earth...i walk around all the time
    >thinking that someone out there is meant to be with me...and i'm meant to
    >be with her...and it scares me to think she might not  evn live remotely
    >close to me...what if my destiny lies far away...and into the future...
    >knowing i hafta wait for that person sickens me...its a crime that people
    >hafta wait for their fate...good or bad...its sickening that people get
    >shit in life, while the ones who deserve the shit get the privilege...
    >our whole society is built around the success of the prosperous oppressor,
    >while the rest of us wallow in our suffering...and i live a great life...
    >but, i witness thousands suffer...they die...they starve...they become
    >martyrs...all for nothing...i take part in my struggles in life to defend
    >those who cann't defend themselves...and i am weakened sometimes by the
    >lack of love that exists...by the results that never appear...all i can do
    >is go on and wait for my ultimate happiness...and end to my lonliness...
    >the fufillment of my fate...to find someone to cuddle with...to cry one...
    >to take care of...to take care of me...and i won't need to worry...well,
    >i'll keep worrying...but, i'll be happier doing it...
    >                                        *Valiant*
    >
    
            Lonliness, and alienation from one's surroundings and their 'true
    selves' has to be _THE_ worst thing that a human being can experience. I
    know because i've experienced it a lot in my life.
            To look to the future for your 'destiny' can be helpful sometimes,
    it is at least a direction, without which you will turn in circles forever
    like a headless chicken (again, this is coming from personal experience) :)
            To look to the past, and regret doing or not doing something can
    also be helpful, as you see "where you came from" and get a better grip on
    "where you are now" and you also have to be _aware_ of any mistakes you've
    made so you won't repeat them!
            But, really, the only place to live and be truly happy and to have
    any sense of control over things is to live and be in a constant awareness
    of what you are doing now. Eventually you may find that what you are doing
    now fits into some grand cozmic plan that stretches from when you were born
    on into your future, maybe not, it doesn't REALLY matter because when you
    just look around and think "hey, the sun's shining" or something equally
    'trivial' you find that your mood is raised up a notch.  And that little
    bit of happiness won't come from worrying about hte past or the future, so
    little things like that can improve your life :)
            THe other thing i was going to say was about the whole destiny/free
    will thing. You are not a slave to your destiny, you are neither fully in
    control of you path through life. There are a lot of things working around
    you, social systems, politics, economics, and even systems that are
    completely imperceptible that will mold what you do and how you live BUT
    you still have a choice of what path in life you want to follow, and that
    path of living, the "right way of doign things" is only available to you if
    you introspect a bit and get in touch with feelings and intuitions. Your
    emotions are the door to what you should really do, if something seems to
    give you a 'good feeling' then probably it's the right thing to do at that
    time. Of course, you could also be running on impulsive drives but
    somewhere in there lies the way to have a pretty happy life, and end up
    fulfilling your potential as a person.
            Along this line, of following a path that 'feels right' you will
    find that when you do that, and when you do 'right actions' (like good
    deeds for the day like in the boy/girl scouts :) you will end up coming
    into contact with people who will help ya along.  Some of them will be
    casual acquaintances, but if you are to meet your 'dream person' (male or
    female depending on your gender and/or orientation) it will only be by
    following this path and givin' off "good vibes" that others will pick up
    on.
            Sometimes, though, we go through phases of life where we feel very
    alone and powerless (ya ya, personal experience again) but it's in these
    times where you can become more comfortable with yourself as a person,
    because you don't necessarily have many other people to hang out with ;)
    And, during this time, you will discover a lot about yourself, stuff that
    you like and stuff that you don't like and will go further on in life,
    fixing what you don't like and, more importantly, LOVING what it is about
    your nature that is 'good.'
            Part 12 on Ecto's 12-step program is after you've attained a good
    degree of self-love, you will be able to radiate that to others AND also be
    able to see it in others. (Like you can't 'see' something unless you know
    what you're looking for, so when you find love within yourself, you will
    recognize it in others). And when others see your own self-love they'll be
    really attracted to it. On the opposite end of the spectrum, people get big
    turn-offs from ppl who are perpetually self-effacing and hate themselves.
    So, self-love is something that we all have to learn (sort of liking
    ourselves as 'freaks' and not being afraid to manifest that love of your
    own unique freaky self to others and so, there's yer freak appeal!)
            hope this helped!
                    peace to y'all,
                                     brad
    
    ps-->Brad finlay is not a trained professional counsellor, nor is he a
    member of any organizations, and, actually, he's never even taken any 12
    step programs. So take this all with a grain of salt ;)
    
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|On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:
|
|> tee hee talk about major confusion. actually the party yur talking 
|> about w/ juan atkins wuz Family Affair that big ole two day camp
|> party out in the woods in canton, ohio. but eric is right, dubtribe
|> & TIS played at Imagine. i sorta forgot becuz that party was really
|> significant to me for reasons outside of the music.
\____________________________________________________________________________/

tis true.  I wrote this in a very fatigued frame of mind and when i saw 
the "Akron, OH" i imediately thought "that party with the rusty water" 
:P.  In addtion, i had heard rumers of a second FA; does anyone know 
anything about this?
 ____________________________________________________________________________
/                                                                            \
|> tee hee seems like ohio gets all the best live acts: dubtribe, TIS,
|> freaky chakra, rabbit in the moon, GAGA, etc. etc. hell, coming up
|> on 4/20 will be 420 w/ dubtribe, TIS, ectomorph, plus john aquaviva,
|> feelgood, who, hyperactive, & more. it's gonna be ruff deciding
|> between that party & midwest rush w/ clarkee, mastervibe, dougal,
|> mc/dj ribs, mickey b, diablo, scott forbush, frankie bones, scott
|> henry, terry mullan, dieselboy, & more. either way, u'll be spending
|> national pot smoking day w/ some damn fine music!
\____________________________________________________________________________/

Well you can count me there for tim.  'nuff said. :)
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|> btw mint did u see the latest PLRM? looks like yur trying to have
|> 'a taste' of star*. > 
\____________________________________________________________________________/

Yeah, the picture where i get compliments for how big my toungue looks.  
All the credit for that one goes via kate. ;)

mint



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	is hip hop worth dying for?"  -  krs-one

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The January Anomaly has been postponed.  A new date has not been set yet to
my knowledge.  The March party called THUMP in Kentucky is not an anomaly but
the Anomalys' will once again become a steady monthly party very soon. Once
everyone's plans are figured out we will start throwing Anomalys' once a
month like clock work.  Keep a look out for the word on them.  It may be
sooner than you think.  Peace and love.
                    trevor lamont
  

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Hullo All!

Does anyone happen to know if the Ladybug makeup rave is still happening,
and if so is it in February?

Thanks,
Mandito

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Forwarded message:
> From: SCHLOTF%MHS@mhs.rose-hulman.edu
> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:42:31 -0820
> Subject: INFERNO TAPE
> 
> Inferno kicked ass (for those who didn't go), and I am looking for a 
> recording.
> Does ANYONE know if the Westbam session (or more)  was recorded???
> And if so, where the hell can I get a hold of a copy?
> If you have any info, eMail me at
> SCHLOTF@ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
> Thanks
> Later
> 
> DK
> 
> 

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	Well, it's been awhile since this party actually happened, but I've 
	finally been able to think everything out to write a little review 
	about it. Now, thanks to the Professor Earache, I'll use his method
	of reviewing things. Here's the table:

		:> = sucked eggs.
		:>:> = almost worth the money.
		:>:>:> = I guess this will do it for me.
		:>:>:>:> = Woah. I'm havin' fun.
		:>:>:>:>:> = is this heaven?

	Alright.. here we go.

	Space: 						:>:>:>
	------                                          ------

	The party was held at Circle B bowling alley/conference room just 
	outside of Grafton. It was kind of hard getting there because of a
	small problem with the voice mail box being full, so there were no 
	directions being played. But, fortunately, I was able to get my 
	directions through a few phone calls, and eventually Steven Kay. 
	Also, Joe was able to fix things with the voice mail and fix the 
	problem of people not being able to find the space. Overall, the 
	space wasn't that bad. Big, open.. just nice. The floor was cool 
	too. Not that carpeted crap, but instead tile, so one's feeties moved
	nicely. The only real problem with the space was that there was a 
	crazy thirty-something bar. They played cheesy rap and the crowd 
	was nothing more then hicks trying to be up to the times. Simply
	crazy. The best part, after Mike Dearborn's set.. when everyone was 
	just kind of chilling in the walk way out by the thirty-something,
	he just says, "Man, this is bummin' me out. I gotta get going.."
	We walks directly into the room being used for the party. Go Mike. :> 
	Some of the hicks started talking to everyone there for the party 
	too.. taunting things like tree huggers, gays, etc. Typical. Oh 
	well.. 

	
	People:						:>:>:>:>:>
	-------						----------

	Besides the hicks out at the bar, everyone was great. For a good 
	part of the night, I just sat up by the speakers and danced, but in
	the process, I met so many people. It was great. Everyone was happy,
	smilin', and open. I met people from Chicago, Madison, Milwaukee, 
	and, Indianapolis (crazy, isn't it?). As for net-folk that were
	there, it was Steven Kay, Acetate, Matt Massive, Synergy (of course,
	he was spinning), Peterbilt, and I believe a few others. I can't
	rememeber anymore.. 
 
	
	Sound/Lights:					:>:>:>:>
	------------					--------

	The sound was adequate. Nothing spectacular, but sufficient. It 
	covered everything nicely. But, the lights were great. Nothing 
	special here either, but it worked nicely for the space. Just 
	your basic intellibeams, but lots of 'em. I kind of liked it.. 

	
	Music/dj's:					:>:>:>:>:>
	-----------					----------

	Wow. Everyone.. everything was great here. Here's the order, and
	what I thought.. 

	1. Drew
		I only caught the end of his set, but nice acidy stuff. 
		Something to get the blood moving so you can get down the 
		rest of the night. Definitely got me moving.
	2. Jeffery Dee
		Jeff is a good friend of mine, and it was his first time 
		mixing out at a bigger party. Personally, I thought he did
		great. Smooth and building "progressive trance" (as he calls
		it). He definitely has a style similar to Minddrive. You'll
		be seeing this kid in the future.. mark my words.
	3. Mike Dearborn
		What does one expect from Mr. Dearborn? Hard beats, aggressive
		mixing? Well, if you were there.. your recieved it all. It 
		started off great and ended even better. I had a chance to 
		talk to him for awhile too, and I think he has one of the 
		best personalities around. Very open.. 
	4. Dan Efex
		Dan almost didn't maked it, so Mystic Bill was going to go
		on instead, but he made it just in time. Typical stuff from 
		him as well. Very clean and energenic.
 	5. P909
		Wow. Simply amazing. I missed the first party of there life 
		performance, but I did catch the end. It simply blew me away.
		The entire place, which was packed, was all into it. They're 
		definitely crowd pleasers.
	6. David Hollands
		Same thing here. Great stuff. I loved it.. so did the crowd. 
		It was nice to see Dave again. It was funny, before his and 
		P909 sets, they sat around and played Risk on a laptop comp.
		I don't know who won though, so don't ask. 
	7. Terry Mullan
		Wow. Started out a bit slow, but moved into something that 
		blew the top off of the space. Great all the way through. 
		Nice scratching for the crowd, music similar to his first 
		New School Fusion tape. But, hey.. what do you expect from 
		someone with a name like this? 
	8. Synergy
		I took off about one forth through his set. But, from what 
		I heard, things were great. Nice acidie house. Kind of 
		brought the party around full circle. 


	Overall:					:>:>:>:>:>
	--------					----------
	
	Maybe I'm overrating things, but I definitely got it two thumbs up. 
	It was like everything fell together for this, and it was definitely 
	one of my favorites. Something to make Milwaukee stick out brighter. 
	I had a blast.. 




					Peace out,
					   Ramylson

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	Bradley R. Butzke	 	dpn.member#002
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	"In an underground you don't have the notion of success or failure.
	 You just have the notion of making something. And that's what saves
	 you. It's not how progessional it looks, it's because you are doing
	 what you are because you believe in it."  T. Arafin
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rock on...
the massive posse broke out of it's sabbatical and was out in full force 
this weekend...both nights (quite a shocker).  friday was dynamic 
groove's equal - held in a bowling alley/bar/hall outside of the city.  
We arrived @ around 1:30am to enjoy the music of Efex.  He is most 
definitely one of the best dj's in this area of the country...the man 
plays music that no one else can ever dream of finding...smooth, 
agressive trance music often on the goa tip...excellent music.  Prototype 
909 performed following efex...definitely decent although overdriven.  
Dave Hollands played next...good music, but way too slow and minimal 
for the time slot and I definitely think he lost people.  Terry Mullan 
followed and I have to give the guy credit...he's damn good and had the 
best crowd response of the evening (as far as I could tell, but I did get 
there kind late).  Then I played and I can't really rate that.  And then 
we left...good party...milwaukee: back on the map for 96.
While everyone else whose posted hated the bar which was open for all the 
local shites, I found it remarkably amusing and it was nice to grab a 
beer while partying.
equal gets a 8.5 out of 10...a good time, well organized, nice music.

saturday was amusing as well...held in a skating rink in sheboygan 
wisconsin (my hometown)...a place where i used to roller skate ten years 
ago.  turnout was a little sparse due to it being an hour away from the 
city.  dzak was good...jedidiah was better...astrocat was okay (although 
we went to grab a beer during his set) but his transition method was a 
little weak (fade the mixer down, turn on the ms20 and make some noise, 
start up the next sequence on cakewalk).  deadly buda was awful (imho), 
soul slinger cleared the dancefloor (jungle just didn't work at this 
party), earth played some good music, and then I took off.  It was good 
to see alot of familiar faces at this gig though.  
lights were great, sound was boomin, space was umm....interesting.
mars gets a 6.8 out of 10...an okay time, decently organized, nice music 
at times.

right on.

gotta roll,
massive posse kickin it wild style for the nine-six.

brad synergy quadrasonic massive mutha fucka.


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well, been a while since i actually reviewed a party here, but this one merits it...

i got to equal with my friend john from burger king about 11, due to the voicemail problems 
(which would really have to be my complaint about the entire night...  if yer gonna put yer 
damn VM on a flyer, then call me crazy but i think you might just have a little bit of 
responsibility to keep that VM a) updated and b) running...  ok, bitch mode off) just as jeff 
was spinning.  i can tell it's gonna be a good party when i walk in and immidiately begin 
dancing.  this was what happened at equal.  HARD FUCKIN HOUSE.  right up my alley.  so after 
i had finished dancing myself into exhaustion to a point where i couldn't dance to anything 
till P909 came on, i went to find peopole to hand out with and stuff.  to being with it 
seemed like hardly anybody i knew was there - i figgered most of the GOTC kids would be at 
their MARS pre-party, etc.  but around one the place really began to get packed.  not to the 
point of overdoing it or anything, there was always room to breathe, sit down, lie down, walk 
around, etc, but i suddenly noticed that just about everybody i had wanted to be there was.  
hung with my buds (friends... ;) for a while, talked to the vending folx about getting them 
to sell my tapes, which went somewhat succesfully, i guess...  turns out the pre-mars had 
bombed (condolences to all involved), but the silver lining to that cloud was that everybody 
i had missed because they had been there showed up at equal!  here's to involuntary party 
unity...

having puty just the right amount of chemicals into my brian, P909 came on, and i realized 
that i had no choice in the matter my body was going to go dance whther my mind liked it or 
not.  it was while i was dancing that i began waxing philosophical and spiritual in a way i 
haven't done much of since parties like rustic and the original dee-day.   i began 
specualting on the varous degrees of "hereness" of various individuals.  when a person behind 
me laughed at the way someone was dancing, instead of geting angry like i normally wouold, i 
thought, "that's too bad for them, cuz we're here and they're not."  it was as though the 
more fun people were having, the more they bacme transported to an alternate dimension.  
transcendentalism, i supopose, but i don't know that much about it so i won't presume.  when 
two girls wandered by me as i was dancing, bitching about not being able to find any drugs, i 
mourned for their not-really-hereness.  and when i happened upon some lone person in the 
chill room, buggin out on his own little vibe and just going nuts, i thought, "that's great - 
he's more here then i am."  :)

it was at this point that i threw out my back from dancing too hard - the first time that's 
ever happened to me at a party.  i wanted to tell somebody from P909 that they had played so 
great that they made me dance so hard that i threw out my back, i figured they would have 
enjoyed hearing that.  never got the chance, though.  so i had to go watch them instead.  
they are almost more inspiring to see then to hear, and it was great the way they really got 
into the music, cranking full force on their "snappy" knobs...

we had to leave soon after P909 stopped, just too tired to carry on any longer, john and i 
had both put in full days at BK and he had been out drinking night before, so we wre pretty 
dead.

so all in all, on the madatory 1-10 scale, i would have to say this party averaged a 7, with 
the beginning tending more towrds a 5 but the end at least an 8 and probably a 9.  and 
definately the most transcendental party i have ever been to in my life.  a splendid time was 
had by all on my end.  big ups to joe for gettin shit cookin in a big way.

PLUR power...

-b. echthros


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hello mw-family,


ok, real quick, i got my photos back from the SPARK event
in MInneapolis. Below is a list that ppl might be interested
in having. if this is the case, send me a msg.

1.Joe Ramstrom and his turntable
2.Gabbergirl (Charmayne) spinning before the party started.
3.Henry Vengeance in front of the huge main room system
4.Dylan,Anne,and Kim (Bassaddict,,Eponine, and Groove from vrave)
5.netmeet photo with kim(groove), steven waterbury, jason mork, anne(eponine),
dylan(bassaddict),curtis(anglerec), matt(mushroom cloud, i think?), and
rocketboy.
6.eponine and anglerec
7.that cute girl that ran the lights for me in 2nd room but i forgot her name
8. 2nd room overview shot with lighting shown
9.2nd room shot with Chris Sattinger spinning shown

no charge, as long as you are nice to me....  =>

Clinton Mead
Mahdi
dj Sietch Gabr

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My friend is selling his mixer.

It's a GEMINI PMX-2001
1 year old
good condidtion
Paid 250 + tax
asking 200

Email me:  follkj10@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu
Kimm Follett


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>tis true.  I wrote this in a very fatigued frame of mind and when i saw
>the "Akron, OH" i imediately thought "that party with the rusty water"
>:P.

ugh.  nearly 7 months and i *still* haven't gotten the taste out mah mouf.

>In addtion, i had heard rumers of a second FA; does anyone know
>anything about this?

evidently the werd around akron is "family reunion" will be happening in
?early july?

>Well you can count me there for tim.  'nuff said. :)

i'm interested to hear everyone else plans.  i'm gonna be in cleveland.
dubtribe, feelgood, and john acquaviva is all i need to hear.  too bad
these parties have to be on the same nite.  but i'm not gonna be leavin
ohio march 30-apr 27.  woohoo!  that party that was just announced in cinti
wif carlos and terry mullan on 3.30, energize in dayton on 4.6 wif
feelgood, scott henry, rob vaughn, andy hughes and more, justus' party in
dayton on 4.13 wif (from what i hear, haven't seen  a flier) heckle and
jeckle, claude young, paul johnson, derrick carter and more, the
aforementioned 420 party in cleveland, and generator on 4.27 in columbus
(woohoo!) wif dave clarke, t-1000, esp woody mcbride, terry mullan, mike
huckaby, sleepy-c, and more (can't find my flyer atm).....it's gonna be a
hell of a month for ohio.  :)

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

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well i got to the space at about 10.  i must congratulate drew.  it was his 
first party and he definitly pleased a lot of people.  way to go drew :).  i 
also loved this party because i saw so many people there that i knew.  there 
was also a lot of people there that do not normally go to parties which is 
definitly nice to see.  i did have a problem at the end of P909's set.  
someone dancing smacked me in the nose by accident so i did not get to enjoy 
it as much as i wanted to.  luckily someone gave me some advil so i was back 
on my feet again mid-terry mullans set.  i must say that terry ripped it up. 
 he was soooo good on friday night, i could not stop myself from dancing if 
i wanted too.  i also liked the nice little washroom thing over to the side. 
 it was definitly a nice area to chill out.  i must congratulate paul and 
joe for pulling this party off.  i cannot wait for festival of the moon on 
june 1st.  they are sure making a good vibe in milwaukee :)
-nancy


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YAY!!! 
*Becky jumps around for joy*

 a PARTY ON _MY_ 20th BIRTHDAY in _MY_ TOWN!!! *grin*

 You all had BETTER be there!!! ;)

*hugs-n-smooches*

-Becky =)



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I like the idea of being able to go somewhere and not being gawked at.
I enjoy being a part of the so called "peculiar". I rave because music is
the ultimate form of exprssion. Specifically, techno and trance in my 
opinion is the greatest musical venue for dancing. It is wonderful to see 
the looks on my raving brothers and sisters face's when they find out I 
rave.I do not "look" like a raver. When I do go to a rave I look like a 
raver. Outside I look like someone whose attitude is like,"oh okay."When 
I go out dancing period, no one recognizes me. Raving is like my alter ego.
I would spin, but I cannot match rhythms nor can I keep from dancing. I 
MUST DANCE. I am costantly entranced by the EUROTECHNO field of music. It 
is like no other. I want to be music and flow like it does. I am gay and 
whenever I go to a rave, you can dance by and with who you want and you 
sexuality is mot a concern.Thank heaven for raves!!!!!(you go)
My favorite Djs are Miss djaxx and moby. Tell them I said hi okay??


James (poopoo head)Andersen 

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Hey, if ya don't mind, I'm going to use this cool forum as a 
PERSONALS section due to my sad situation (My fiancee/girlfriend of 3 years 
just dumped me to go "find herself".) 

Anyway, I've found that I have no outside life or friends (esp to rave 
with!) anymore now that I've graduated M.I.A.D. this year, got a 8-5 job and 
temporarily moved back home with my parents in godforsaken Mequon.

>SO<

I'm interested in forming a new life for myself and I'm REALLY shy when it 
comes to making NEW friends, but >>I'm a really great guy.<< so what do I 
do? I thought this was a good place to start-

So if anyone has a preparty or whatever and could invite me and show me 
around or whatever I'd be grateful. I've been a bigtime raver in MKE since 
the whole thing started. I love the music, but have never made any 
raver-friends (coz I've never tried- I just stuck with who I went with and 
then lost myself in the cool muzik.

I've also never been to a smaller private rave or regualar event like 
stellarlab or whatever is out there... Mostly just 'coz I've been 
intimidated. The big ones I don't have to feel self-concious about going 
alone. Maybe someone could give me some suggestions on those.

A while back I thought I could get myself in the scene by designing flyers, 
but I contacted Drop Bass and they're like, yeah, cool stuff but were 
committed to someone else, sorry, and besides hyperreal (which uses my 
designed hyperreal bannerpage (the blue glowing hyperreal logo)) no one else 
seems 2 b looking.


>ABOUT ME<I'm male,age 23 this month (argh-I'm OLD!), I'm a designer, drug--but not 
experience free, I have a new car for excellent rave transport, and a
DISPOSABLE INCOME woo woo.

Check me out at http://www.execpc.com/~cyaxares
(there's a photo of me there too)

or call 242-3591
OR email cyaxares@execpc.com

-Chris

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Ok well Mister Star seems to have done some thinking and wondering aloud what 
this whole scene means to us individually and how we came to be a part of it, 
so I guess I'll tell my little story, for all it's worth.

I used to listen to Ministry & Big Black when I was mad and indie-rock most of 
the rest of the time. Music has always been a huge part of my life. Indierock 
introduced me to some great bands with a trippy techno-related sound or feel 
specifically Slowdive, Stereolab, and etc. One day perusing the used CDs I came 
across Diversions by Orbital, and bought it because it was neat. Wham I was in 
love. I listened to this CD all of the time for quite a while. (I lived in LA 
at the time). KROQ-radio had recently become evil huge bloated and corporate as 
"Alternative" broke bigtime, so I had turned to jazz and a local college 
station for my music. Just so happened said college radio station had a show 
hosted by a man named Jason Bentley, who is also an LA area DJ. He played some 
good trancey stuff and I took notes. He played trax that I danced to in my 
room. I took notes. So anyway slowly I became a techno-music fan, for the most 
part existing on slower stuff to be found on CDs like Orbital and FSOL and all 
that. I had recently begun the journey of mind expansion by route of careful 
psychedelic use (please people opinions to yourself I need no flames), and made 
a friend who also was a psychonaut, and happened to be a raver as well. (I feel 
like I'm rambling. Oh well I guess you could always delete this if you didn't 
wanna read this). So she told me "you'd love raves!" and took me to my first 
one with no idea who was spinning or promoting or any of that. Well we couldn't 
get in but I stood outside the fence (a lot of LA parties are outdoors) and 
heard that music and OH FUCK I'M IN LOVE. So being the net.junkie I've always 
been I managed to hook up with directions to a ultra-secret oldschool rave 
under the full moon in the desert. Lied to the parents, stole the car, drove 
five hours, drank it all in. I was still too shy to dance but I did some 
serious head-bobbing on the sidelines, let me tell you.  Twelve days later I 
moved to Illinois to go to school and subbed right up to mw-raves. I raved 
through listening to other people's reviews and rants. I read the calendar and 
listened to people and decided I wanted to go to Dee Day II on 10-28-95. I 
posted to our fine list and met a guy named Matt from Iowa who would give me a 
ride to Chicago and my first rave. Maybe it was the overwhelmingly cool music, 
maybe it was the good vibe (at least I percieved one), maybe it was that I 
didn't know anybody, but finally I got over my fear of dancing in public and 
went nuts in front of the speakers for six or seven hours. Straight. I really 
enjoyed myself. My next and so far only other rave was Elemental on 12-16-95, 
which I also really enjoyed except the music was too slow for me since I'd been 
listening to nothing but hardcore mix tapes. Anyway enough about my history. 

Star asks what raves do for us. Well for me dancing is a spiritual experience. 
I like my drugs as much as the next raver, but I'd rather rave sober. I can't 
really say why. It's just my personal opinion that drugs should be done at home 
with close friends when you've got time to think, and dancing like a maniac 
with the brain jacked into high beta states by noradrenalin is the way to go. 
After I finish dancing for five, six, seven hours, I feel so refreshed, so 
pure. It's beautiful. I think that this is partially due to the sensory 
overload with the loud crazy music and the lights and the crazy clothes causes 
parts of your mind to go into states similar to mediation. You end that 
internal dialog you're always having with yourself and just be here now. When I 
finish dancing it's a similar feeling of inner calm that I have after I finish 
meditating. Except my feet hurt. So I dance for personal spirituality.

The net-raving aspect of it all? I really like it. It seems like the "hardcore" 
of the scene is much more heavily represented on the net than in the rave 
community in general. Listening to you guys talk while I shaped my opinions and 
attitudes towards raves has made me feel and think like and old-schooler. I 
think that's just part of my personality because I was an oldschool alternakid 
too before this big surge of popularity. It fits my nature. But I find my 
attitudes mesh with netravers pretty well. In general I think people in the 
midwest are friendlier than people in SoCal, and that really shows through in 
forums live mw-raves. Sure people bitch incessantly. I don't let it get to me. 
If I did I'd end up like the couple people recently who unsubbed and dropped 
out of the scene. I want to keep the love. I try to give love to others and I 
get it back in return. I've made some really special friendships on the net and 
they're all rave related, whether through vrave or mw-raves. I especially felt 
like a community when a couple months ago people were raising thier hands and 
stating thier sexuality without fear of being flamed or bashed or any of that. 
I've never been in a situation where I could do that before, and it was nice. 
Really nice. 

Yes raving has changed other aspects of my life as well. If someone asked me to 
describe myself I would include the word raver in my answer. My answer would 
probably be something like "vegetarian bisexual raver computer geek psychonaut 
musician hacker explorer." Raver is a part of who I am, and yes I recently 
pierced my tongue which I sure didn't do out of a want to belong, but I doubt I 
would have done it if I didn't know 10000 pierced ravers. I try to tell 
nonravers about the beauty of a bassbeat, about what dancing means to me, about 
why I rave. 

Star also asked what (I) give back to the scene. I give good vibes. I'm not 
currently in a position or throw parties or learn to DJ or open a record store 
or do a lot of things for the scene that would require cash, but I give back to 
the scene by bringing in fresh blood, spreading PLUR to everyone even if they 
think contributing to the Inferno flyer rant is the most important issue of the 
day, and being friendly to everybody I meet. I've found this to be extremely 
rewarding in that people are nice back. It's as simple as that. I've made 
friends with people who are bigwig types in the scene, and instead of being 
snobby "I don't need you" people they're every bit as nice and courteous to me 
as I am to that. I like that.

To close I'll just say that who knows if I'll be raving when I'm 30 or not but 
right now it's something I really enjoy and I'm trying my best to bring a 
positive vibe to whatever I do and whoever I meet, no matter how many people 
bitch about $30 parties and the death of the scene and wack promoters and all 
that. I see people in the scene trying to do something real, trying to touch 
people, and I'd like to thank them. I've been touched and hopefully I touch 
others. Peace and love and unity and respect always.

-Gage.
 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeffrey D. Gerard      (Jeff Gage)     http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-gerard
mailto:j-gerard@uiuc.edu (personal)              voicephone://217-332-5250
mailto:j-gerard@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (business)           pager://217-xxx-xxxx
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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>Star asks what raves do for us. Well for me dancing is a spiritual experience. 
>I like my drugs as much as the next raver, but I'd rather rave sober. I can't 
>really say why. It's just my personal opinion that drugs should be done at
home 
>with close friends when you've got time to think, and dancing like a maniac 
>with the brain jacked into high beta states by noradrenalin is the way to go. 
>After I finish dancing for five, six, seven hours, I feel so refreshed, so 
>pure. It's beautiful. I think that this is partially due to the sensory 
>overload with the loud crazy music and the lights and the crazy clothes causes 
>parts of your mind to go into states similar to mediation. You end that 
>internal dialog you're always having with yourself and just be here now.
When I 
>finish dancing it's a similar feeling of inner calm that I have after I finish 
>meditating. Except my feet hurt. So I dance for personal spirituality.
...
>To close I'll just say that who knows if I'll be raving when I'm 30 or not but 
>right now it's something I really enjoy and I'm trying my best to bring a 
>positive vibe to whatever I do and whoever I meet, no matter how many people 
>bitch about $30 parties and the death of the scene and wack promoters and all 
>that. I see people in the scene trying to do something real, trying to touch 
>people, and I'd like to thank them. I've been touched and hopefully I touch 
>others. Peace and love and unity and respect always.
>-Gage.

Yes!  Haha!  I admire your attitude, no sarcasm, just raw excitement.
Honestly, I rave so rarely now I'll pay anything to be near the music.  I'm
a college student at Case Western Reserve University, and I have to take my
priority for college above all else.  Between scholarships and my parents
and loans and saving up money during the summer, I'm paying over 23 thousand
dollars a year for my edification (education?).  I generally keep about a
grand a year for personal enjoyment.

Unfortunately, Cleveland's club scene is quite unacceptable to me.  I have
to pay $8 to get into Trilogy to hear a crap DJ train wreck from one
overplayed song to the next.  The place usually stocks a pretty good house
DJ in a smaller back room with crap lights, but the room's atmosphere is a
little undesirable to me.  I'm no anti-gay (even though I'm from Kentucky),
but I get uncomfortable in a room where the population is around 50%
flamboyant (flaming, without the negative connotation) homesexual males.
Despite this, I'll enjoy myself.  I'm the average height guy w/ average
brown hair in a ponytail breakin' it down on the dance floor as hard as I
can.  The people are cool (nonjudgmental) and if you close your eyes for
just a second and let the beat take you, you rise up above the petty shit
and hope that you and everyone else has a good time.  This is me at a place
I could be uncomfortable in, paying a measly $8 and having a good time.

Anytime I can (any day of the week where neither I nor my ride have papers,
homework, group projects, finals, or term papers due within two days) I'll
spend $30 for the chance at something better (Ooh, a RAVE!).  <g>  If it's
not better, bust your ass on the dance floor (baby) anyway and pretend!
Don't whine!  I hate whiners.  Raves are what you make 'em.  Don't compare
'em to any other rave you've been to.  Compare them to the $8 piece of crap
club you can go to any Sunday that you think you'll wake up in time for
class Monday.  Realize it is something else.  (Break that monotony.)

My 3:30a.m. ramble ceases, best summed up by my idols, Statler and Waldorf:
"The show's over, can we go home now?"

adam


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> how did you first come to be a part of the rave scene?  i would be 
> interested to know what brought you into it.  why were you at your 
> first rave?  when did it click for you that this was somehow 
> different from 'normal life' and, because of that, was for you?

i went 2 my 1st party kinda accidentally. i had no idea what a rave
even was, only a few weeks later when i went 2 the next party i
figured out that's what it was called! 
it was last june, the 14th i think, this party called e, in akron. i
was at this club (the interbelt) with some friends & they found these 
flyers saying come 2 this party when the club closes so we did. we had
spent almost all our $ on drinx + hadn't thought about the price of 
the party. we got 2 the door + my 2 friends together had $3 + i had 7 
cents. we were so worried that we couldn't get in & they begged the 
guy at the door 2 let us in & we were sorry this is literally all we 
have. so he actually let us in. i felt kind of bad but i was so
happy. i thanked that guy it was so nice of him but i don't know who 
he is, so if he's reading this thank u. 
i didn't dance very much because i couldn't dance very well yet but i
watched a-lot of people dancing. a couple people i saw were really
good & even now, i've never seen anybody dance at all like that,
but i haven't seen those people since.
the things i noticed most that were totally unlike the clubs, were
that the music was more interesting instead of the stale old club
"hi-energy dance hits" from dance mix usa or some such pseudotechno &
that every-1 seemed so much friendlier, nicer, & happier.


> what kind of a role does raving play in your life?  is it a form of 
> neo-church, where you go to become spiritually refreshed or is it 
> your little concession to decadence because nobody's perfect?  do you 
> just tag along with your friends and wind up at these  crazy parties 
> or do you mark up your planner months in advance?

hmmm well for me, a party isn't anything spiritual, but neither am
i. i just think the main thing is to have as much fun as possible &
dance constantly. i go 2 every party i can somehow get a ride 2 &
afford. i even rode my bike once from here--kent--2 akron because i
didn't know anybody who was going (to generic 1).


> how did you first learn that there was a list like this? 

i think i looked up "rave" on a search engine. 


> what are some of your favourite memories from parties?  what kind of 
> things are running through your mind when your head is in the 
> speaker?  how do you describe the feeling of being pummelled with 
> bass to nonravers? have you ever pulled a funky move while the bass 
> beats a funky groove?  does your mother know where you are?

i just realized something recently. an important part of dancing is
how u listen 2 the music. most people (as in not ravers generally)
listen 2 music in a completely different way than we do, by the way i
don't know how 2 explain how these things work! that's why at clubs, 
bars, etc. most people barely even move, they just bop up & down a 
little. i realized also, when i figured out how 2 dance 2 jungle, my
perception of the music had completely changed subconciously. 
i think that this idea has a parallel in art (because i'm an
artist). a-lot of people say they can't draw, can't whatever (insert 
medium of choice). i think sometimes the problem isn't a lack of 
talent, it's the way they look at what they're drawing. 
also my mother DOES know where i am! she's very cool about things. 
she went 2 a party with me once: think, in cleveland.


> where are you now?  has raving changed your life?  how?  are you a 
> raver during the day?  do the people at work and school make fun of 
> the way you wear your pants?

i guess i'm always a raver, of course it's not the only thing i do
tho. nobody here makes fun of me which is cool.
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>Anyway, I've found that I have no outside life or friends (esp to rave 
>with!) anymore now that I've graduated M.I.A.D. this year, got a 8-5 job and 
>temporarily moved back home with my parents in godforsaken Mequon.
>

Hmm, Now that I am going to M.I.A.D. it seems like I have no social life..
So it only gets worse hey.. And yeah, I know what you mean, I just got away
from my parents house in Cedarburg.

My advise, just frequent the little parties because one, they  are cheap,
two you meet people.  And three once summer comes around, get to the camp
out raves, some of the best times of my life have been because of them, and
the people I have met are unbelievable.  Sometimes I wish places like
Columbous, Indianapolis, and Kentucky/Tennesee were closer because those are
some of the coolest people I have met.. Good luck.

Cheers.
Johnsin - In ya face proper, wit da riddem of the drum and bass runnin' tings..


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From: Daniel/ Dj 0977 <robi@coe.missouri.edu>
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Subject: Robi rambles (was Re: my raver testimonial)
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> To close I'll just say that who knows if I'll be raving when I'm 30 or not but 
> right now it's something I really enjoy and I'm trying my best to bring a 
> positive vibe to whatever I do and whoever I meet, no matter how many people 
> bitch about $30 parties and the death of the scene and wack promoters and all 
> that. I see people in the scene trying to do something real, trying to touch 
> people, and I'd like to thank them. I've been touched and hopefully I touch 
> others. Peace and love and unity and respect always.
> 
> -Gage.

     Since I got into techno, and then discovered the "scene" surrounding 
it, all the "veterans" of the raving community surrounding me told me how it 
used to be, what the music should be like, how it all sucks now, how it 
is almost dead.  That is called burn out. That is called lack of commitment.
That is all I have heard now since 1991 when I was introduced to "the scene."
(I have come to hate that "scene" term.)
     Hello?  If it really was dying, then why has it continued, from its 
various beginnings in various places until now in 1996?  I think that young 
people (ages 14-19) are the core reason why the fantastic myth of the 
"rave" scene has continued.  They party the hardest to find that end.  It 
is the same crowd that has destroyed "the scene" for everyone else.  To 
put it bluntly, it is these kids that put out the energy and the $$$ 
which keep the parties going on weekend after weekend in just about every 
major city, town and village in the US.

     It seems to me that the older folk, a category that myself and many of 
those reading this message fall under, are the bottom line on if the 
scene really happens.  Who organizes the parties, and who mainly DJs?  
Who is it that is buying equipment and music? I believe mainly an older 
audience who is tired of attending someone else's parties, who maybe 
isolated by age and maturity factors. 
    Finally, I can look back at why those I knew once thought it was all 
dying.  It was almost like they were ilsolated in foreign lands, not having 
their group of friends there to share the experience with them. They had a 
philosophy of "been there, done that."  Is that apathic?  Maybe.  Is that 
self-centered? Definately.

Please send all queries and comments via personal mail
--------------------------------
Daniel Smith - Dj 0977
Solid State - DJ Pro shop & Promotions (314) or (573) 442-0977/499-0783
robi@tiger.coe.missouri.edu         http://tiger.coe.missouri.edu/~robi
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Damn, Gage, very well said... I honestly can't say enough about how much 
I jive with your ideas. I've been raving for about six months now, and I 
think the real reason I keep going back is because of the music. Oh, that 
music. It's almost a new religion I have accepted, it fills my body with 
the most incredible amount of energy. There has never been anything quite 
like quality techno and rave that has absolutely turned every one of my 
senses on full blast. It's the most incredible feeling. I started with 
the Prodigy, then Orbital, and from there I jumped into Eye-Q and 
Harthouse artists, most of which have been nothing but the best.

	Currently, I am trying to give back to this movement which has no 
doubt changed my life. A friend and I are currently looking to buy DJ 
equipment to get our journey started, yet who knows where we'll end up. 
If anyone knows anyplace or anything about where I could buy equipment 
(turntables, mixer, speakers, vinyls, etc.), or if you are selling 
something, please don't hesitate to email me. I could use all the help I 
could get since I don't quite know where to begin. Any good advice on 
nice vinyls to purchase would also be greatly appreciated...

	Thanx to all,

	Da Cookie Monstah

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is anyone going to "HOME"  this weekend?   what's the most promising 
party this weekend??  --i hadn't seen anything about the stuff going 
down in the immediate future, but am enjoying the raver testemonial 
thread all the same.   please inform me on parties and net-raver get-
togethers.   thanx      
       happily overwhelmed,   
                       *tripkid*                                       


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Michael Patrick Hill        **tripkid**         MHILL@athena.valpo.edu 
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Daniel Smith:

> > To close I'll just say that who knows if I'll be raving when I'm 30 or not but 
> > right now it's something I really enjoy and I'm trying my best to bring a 
> > positive vibe to whatever I do and whoever I meet, no matter how many people 
> > bitch about $30 parties and the death of the scene and wack promoters and all 
> > that. I see people in the scene trying to do something real, trying to touch 
> > people, and I'd like to thank them. I've been touched and hopefully I touch 
> > others.
> 
>      Since I got into techno, and then discovered the "scene" surrounding 
> it, all the "veterans" of the raving community surrounding me told me how it 
> used to be, what the music should be like, how it all sucks now, how it 
> is almost dead.  That is called burn out. That is called lack of commitment.
> That is all I have heard now since 1991 when I was introduced to "the scene."
> (I have come to hate that "scene" term.)
>      Hello?  If it really was dying, then why has it continued, from its 
> various beginnings in various places until now in 1996?  I think that young 
> people (ages 14-19) are the core reason why the fantastic myth of the 
> "rave" scene has continued.  They party the hardest to find that end.  It 
> is the same crowd that has destroyed "the scene" for everyone else.  To 
> put it bluntly, it is these kids that put out the energy and the $$$ 
> which keep the parties going on weekend after weekend in just about every 
> major city, town and village in the US.
> 
>      It seems to me that the older folk, a category that myself and many of 
> those reading this message fall under, are the bottom line on if the 
> scene really happens.  Who organizes the parties, and who mainly DJs?  
> Who is it that is buying equipment and music? I believe mainly an older 
> audience who is tired of attending someone else's parties, who maybe 
> isolated by age and maturity factors. 
>     Finally, I can look back at why those I knew once thought it was all 
> dying.  It was almost like they were ilsolated in foreign lands, not having 
> their group of friends there to share the experience with them. They had a 
> philosophy of "been there, done that."  Is that apathic?  Maybe.  Is that 
> self-centered? Definately.

It's lazy.  It's being a consumer.

This fucking shee-bang is _ours_.  If and when you give up on it, you give
it away.  You give something very special that was once part of you to
someone else, and not in a good way.  You cop out.  You give up.  You quit.

Everything inherently so super cool about this thing we call "rave" that you
fell in love with is still there.  Unbelievable music, some really cool
people, a special environment to experience them in, and possibly the most
important thing... an opportunity.  To do whatever you want.  Be whatever
you want.

If you sit and bitch and complain and try to play lame power/ego/popularity
games and burn yourself out on drugs and don't try to grow... that's your
fault.  That's _your_ wasted opportunity.  If you know of some really cool
party that's six hours away and some lame one in your hometown and you go to
the lame one and then have a lousy time and complain about how the scene is
dying... it's your willingness to expend effort that's dying, not the scene.

There used to be a time when there were only one or two big parties each
weekend in the midwest.  Pretty much everyone that went to parties all the
time put in the effort -- they all drove the distances, put up with the
expense and the inconvenience and the lack of sleep and the hassle -- and
they all had a great time.  Now there are so many parties, in so many
cities, that it's just too easy to say fuck it and go to whatever is
closest.  Too many people show up.  Something special is lost.

If there isn't a good party in your city this weekend, there's a good party
_somewhere_.  **GO THERE**  Go fuckin' mental.  Lose your shit.  That's
what it's about.  Going insane distances, meeting people from other cities,
states and countries... hanging out and seeing that hey, there are freaks
out there just like me... supporting and appreciating people/promoters/etc.
that support and appreciate you, and staying clear of people/promoters/etc.
that don't.

Ugh.  Get your head out of your ass and ask yourself why you do what you do,
and then look for ways to either enhance that aspect in what you're
currently doing, or find something else to do.  The scene isn't dying.  Your
commitment is.


--
Craig L. Stodolenak
archon@acid.com

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Shit, boy, that was absolutely beutiful. I couldn't agree more... I am 
thankful that I have not seen enough of the seen to want to complain of 
it. Since I only visit raves once every one to two months, it always is a 
special time, and I try to make the best every time, even if it wasn't 
all that I expected. Keep on groovin' man.

	Da Cookie Monstah

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!!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!!
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Forwarded message:
> From: James Clyde Temple <jtemple@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>
> Subject: Please forward this--Help save funding for NEA and PBS! (fwd)
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:58:32 -0500 (EST)
> 
[horrendouus list of cc:'ing deleted by list-owner]

> > >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > THIS IS NOT A JOKE:
> > >
> > > Subj:       Help save Sesame Street!!!!!
> > >
> > >     PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major
> > > cutbacks in funding.  In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce
> > > spending costs and streamline their services, the government officials
> > > believe that the funding currently going to these programs is too large a
> > > portion of funding for something which is seen as "unworthwhile".
> > > Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal $1.12 per person per
> > > year, and the National Endowment for the Arts equals $.64 a year in total.
> > >
> > >     A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of Americans
> > > wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to national defense and law
> > > enforcement as the most valuable programs for federal funding.
> > >
> > >     Each year, the Senate and House Appropriations commitees each have 13
> > > subcommitees with jurisdiction over many programs and agencies.  Each
> > > subcommitee passes its own appropriation bill.  The goal each year is to
> > > have each bill signed by the beginning of the fiscal year, which is October
> > > 1.  In the instance of the Corporation of Public Broadcasting, the bill
> > > determines the funding for the next three years. When  this issue comes up
> > > in 1996, the funding will be determined for fiscal years 1996-1998.
> > >
> > >     The only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> > > support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by making our
> > > voices
> > > heard.  Please add your name to this list if you believe in what we stand
> > > for.  This list will be forwarded to the President of the United States,
> > > the Vice President of the United States, and Representative Newt Gingrich,
> > > who is the instigator of the action to cut funding to these worthwhile
> > > programs.
> > >
> > >         If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of this
> > > petition, please send it to
> > >
> > >         kubi7975@blue.univnorthco.edu.
> > >
> > > This way we can keep track of the lists and organize them.  Forward this to
> > > everyone you know, and help us to keep these programs alive.
> > >
> > >         Thank you.
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 1.  Elizabeth Weinert, student, University of Northern Colorado, Greeley,
> > >         Colorado.
> > > 2.  Nikki Marchman, student, University of Northern Colorado, Greeley,
> > >         Colorado.
> > > 3.  Laura King, Salt Lake City, Utah
> > > 4.  Mary Lambert, San Francisco, CA
> > > 5.  Sam Tucker, Seattle, WA
> > > 6.  Steve Mack, Seattle, WA
> > > 7.  Stacy Shelley, Sub Pop Records, Seattle, WA.
> > > 8.  Amy Saaed, Seattle, WA
> > > 9.  Jill Hudgins, Atlanta, GA
> > > 10. Alex Goolsby, student, Colgate University, Hamilton, NY
> > > 11. Aisha K. McGriff, North Carolina School of Science and Math
> > > 12. Amy Brushwood, North Carolina School of Science and Math
> > > 13. Mason Blackwell, student and generally great guy, The College of
> > >         William and Mary
> > > 14. Melinda Murphy, student, St. Mary's College of Maryland
> > > 15. Amy Raphael, student, University of Pennsylvania
> > > 16. Nancy Adleman, student, Stanford University
> > > 17. Paul Bodnar, student, Stanford University
> > > 18. Kunal Bajaj, student, University of Pennsylvania
> > > 19. Sharon Seltzer, student, University of Pennsylvania
> > > 20. Sugirtha Vivekananthan, student, University of Pennsylvania
> > > 21. Ann Wang, student, University of Pennsylvania
> > > 22. Seth Resler, student, Brown University
> > > 23. Leslie Ching, student, Brown University
> > > 24. Sylvia Barbut, student, Carnegie Mellon University
> > > 25. Douglas Bramel, student, Carnegie Mellon University
> > > 26. Nancy Trasande, student, Harvard University
> > > 27. Roisin Egenton, student, Johns Hopkins University
> > > 28. Meira Silverstein, student, University of South Carolina
> > > 29. James Tung, student, University of Rochester, Eastman School of Music
> > > 30. Alexis Zingale, student, University of Rochester,Eastman School of
> > >         Music
> > > 31. Stella Branzburg, student, UofR, Eastman School of Music
> > > 32. Brian Sick, student, University of Rochester
> > > 33. Arun Prakash, student, University of Rochester
> > > 34. Priya Prakash Budde, student, Purdue University
> > > 35. Stephen Kaiser, student, Purdue University
> > > 36. Christopher M. Keslin, student, Indiana University
> > > 37. Simon Lee, student, Indiana University
> > > 38. Jeong Weon Shin, student, Indiana University
> > > 39. Jeff Miller, student, Indiana University
> > > 40. Amy Elizabeth Gleason, student, Indiana University
> > > 41. Rebecca S. Elliott, student, Indiana University
> > > 42. Judith King, student, Indiana University School of Music
> > > 43. Katherine Hucker, student, Indiana University
> > > 44. Kara Ettenson, student, Indiana University
> > > 45. Jessica Cutrera, student, Indiana University
> > > 46. Larry Croucher, student, Indiana University
> > > 47. Brian Bowman, student, Indiana University
> > > 48. Juli Milliman, student, Indiana University
> > > 49. Kathi Holifield, student, Indiana University
> > > 50. Evelyn Woods, student, Indiana University
> >   51. Matthew Shiverdecker, student, Bowling Green State University, Ohio.
> >   52. Rachel Riffel, student, Bowling Green State University, Ohio.
> >   53. James C. Temple, student, Ohio University

54. Steven J. White, student, Univeristy of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

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--- Forwarded mail from scamp@hotwired.com (Susanna Camp)

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:21:30 -0800
From: scamp@hotwired.com (Susanna Camp)
Subject: Sentencing scheduled in bizarre hacker case
Cc: toddl@hotwired.com

A little lengthy & melodramatic, but this is an interesting - and somewhat
spooky - story.

Scamp

[forwarded text follows]

** UPDATED INFO ON SENTENCING FOLLOWS **

Ed Cummings, known to many in the hacker world as Bernie S., has been
living through a real-life version of a Kafka tale since March 1995.
It was then that he was arrested for selling crystals which had the
potential to be used for fraudulent purposes. The United States
Secret Service then stepped in and had Cummings locked away in federal
prison because he had in his possession a modified tone dialer which
could have been used to make free phone calls. He was never accused
of actually having done this but, under a quietly passed law in October
1994, mere possession of hardware or software which *could* be used
in a fraudulent manner carried the same legal penalties as committing
the fraud itself.

Cummings was held for seven months without bail and without trial. When
the time finally came for him to make a plea, he chose to plead guilty
for two reasons: 1) He could face many years in prison if he pleaded
innocent and was found guilty; 2) As the law reads, he was guilty of
possessing hardware or software which could be used fraudulently. The
fact that a large number of law-abiding citizens, if not the majority,
are also technically guilty of this crime, was irrelevant. After accepting
his plea, the judge sentenced him to the exact amount of time he had
already served and Cummings was finally released in October 1995.
But this was not the end of his troubles.

A couple of years ago, Cummings had an almost comical run-in with a
local police department. He and two friends were being questioned by
a police officer and an item the officer took particular interest in
was a tone dialer in Cummings' possession. When the officer left the
room for a few minutes, the batteries to the tone dialer were removed.
Since they were not under arrest and since they had not been instructed
to not touch anything, this clearly did not seem to be that serious an
action. But the local cops went ballistic and charged Cummings with
"tampering with evidence". Cummings insisted that he wasn't even the
person who took the batteries out but preferred to pay a fine and plead
"no contest" rather than turn a friend in. The story should have ended
there. But when the events of March 1995 transpired, Cummings was found
to be in violation of the two years' probation handed down by the local
authorities. And so a hearing was scheduled shortly after his release.

After five postponements (two requested by Cummings' attorney, two
procedural delays, and one court-ordered delay, the hearing was held
on Friday, January 12, 1996. In addition to the judge, Northampton
County probation officer Scott Hoke, Secret Service agent Tom Varney,
and Haverford Township detective John Morris were in attendance.
(The Haverford Township police were the ones who originally suspected
Cummings of taking part in a drug deal when he was spotted selling
crystals to black people in a 7-11 parking lot. Detective Morris would
later threaten a college student with libel for criticizing the actions
of the police over the Internet.) Varney and Morris arrived in the same car.

Ed's attorney was unable to attend because his car had been plowed under
in Philadelphia. He said he doubted the hearing would take place because
of the weather but told Ed to drive up just in case. Ed drove several hours
through blizzard conditions and arrived at the courthouse for the fourth
time. Scott Hoke, however, did not take this effort into consideration
and told the judge he would not tolerate any more postponements, despite
the fact that most of the postponements had been requested by the court
itself and that Ed had been wanting to get this over with from the start.

Hoke complained that Cummings had been "walking around on the street" for
three months. He did not mention that Cummings has been fully employed
during that time and has not violated any laws since his release. The
judge chastised Cummings for his lawyer's failure to appear and refused
to allow him to say anything throughout the hearing.

Tom Varney of the Secret Service then told the judge that he believed
Cummings to be a major threat to society and that he was concerned because
of the upcoming presidential campaign. It was unclear if he was actually
implying that Cummings would somehow be a threat to the president but the
judge and the police listened intently. This was the first time a Secret
Service agent had come to their town. Varney continued to describe the
threatening items that had been found in Cummings' residence: a copy of
The Anarchist's Cookbook, publications from Loompanix, a mag stripe
read head (no electronics) which "could have been used" to commit fraud,
and material thought to be C4 but later proven not to be. However, Varney
said, the fact that it could have been showed how serious this was.
Nobody questioned his logic.

Prior to this hearing, the Secret Service made an extra effort to contact
the county probation officer to insist that Cummings be imprisoned because
he was such a threat. They made quite an impression upon him apparently.
It also became known through various contacts that the Secret Service was
particularly angry at Cummings because he had given pictures of Secret
Service agents to local media (FOX 29) in Philadelphia. These pictures
made the Secret Service agents look foolish. Later, Secret Service agents
would say to a friend of Cummings: "Don't fuck with us. We're the biggest
gang in town."

The judge determined that a probation violation had indeed taken place and
that Cummings should be held and a sentencing date scheduled within 60 days.
The judge had just done the same thing for a man who had just committed his
third DWI offense. In fact, he had killed someone. The judge ordered that
person held on $50,000 bail. Ed Cummings, however, was another matter. The
judge ordered Cummings held on $250,000.

So Cummings is currently being held on a quarter of a million dollars
because he's thought to have taken batteries out of a tone dialer years ago.
He's in a 5 by 8 holding cell 22 hours a day with no windows and no clock.
He never knows what time it is nor whether it's day or night. The temperature
reaches a maximum of sixty degrees and he has only one layer of thin cotton
clothing and one blanket. To add to his misery, he was just notified that
the Haverford Township police will destroy the property they seized from
him last year unless he picks it up by Friday, January 19.

The hearing to determine how long Cummings will be imprisoned for will
be scheduled within 60 days. He could get a maximum of two years.

[1/16/96]

Cummings has been transferred into the "Phase One Inmate Unit" which is
where inmates are held for the first 30 days. There are three phases in
total, the third occurs after 60 days. Right now he's actually in the
cell known as "the hole" which is supposed to be used for solitary
punishment. Because of overcrowding, he's been put in there with two
other inmates, one of whom is a convicted child molestor serving time
for DWI. Cummings described the conditions as "really bad" - the prison
is cold and filthy. The prison itself was built right after the Civil War.
There are tons of roaches and grafitti in all the cells which dates back
to the fifties - the last time it was painted. There are 1200 inmates.

We will continue to forward any email he receives at the bernies@2600.com
address. You can write to him directly or send reading material to:

Ed Cummings
Northampton County Prison
666 Walnut Street
Easton, PA 18042

[1/22/96]

We just found out that Bernie S. will be sentenced this Friday morning
at 9 am in Easton, PA for the crime of removing batteries from a tone
dialer several years ago. This is defined as a victimless misdemeanor
for which the judge in this small town (under considerable influence
from the Secret Service) set bail at $250,000. He could get two years
in prison at sentencing. Press attention could be very helpful in
avoiding a sentence as irrational as the bail setting - right now the
only influence these people are getting is from the Secret Service and
they want to put Bernie S away for as long as they can. If you're not
entirely up to date on this story, finger bernies@2600.com for all of
the details.

If you know of anyone who will cover this story, please get ahold of
them right away so they can plan on being there. If anyone is interested
in going, let us know so we can hopefully fill some cars from NYC.

Sentencing is scheduled for Friday, January 26 at 9 am
Courtroom 5
Northampton County Government Center
7th and Washington Street
Easton, PA 18042-7492

(610) 559-3020 (district attorney)

case # 2173-1993
The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania vs. Edward E. Cummings
Misdemeanor 2 - tampering with physical evidence

Please help spread the word.


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ok i am curious to know what you're thinking about this past year's rave
scene!  i am doing this survey out of personal interest, and i would encourage
all of you to send your responses back to me at dps927@nwu.edu.  no need to
flood the list with your responses, although friendly discussion is
encouraged.  thank you to those who have filled this out and returned it to
me...  i hope that enough of you fill it out to make the results meaningful.

1.  best overall midwest event (include location).

1a.  event with the best vibe.

1b.  event with the best music/djs.

1c.  flashiest event.

1d.  most down-to-earth event.

1e.  favorite campout/outdoor event

2.  favorite dj overall.

2a.  favorite midwest dj.

2b.  favorite chicago dj.

2c.  favorite detroit dj.

2d.  favorite non-midwest dj.

3.  favorite live act from the midwest.

3a.  favorite live act overall (can be from the midwest).

4.  up-and-coming dj of the year.

5.  best lighting company (which event had the best lights).

6.  best sound company (which event blew your socks out your ears).

7.  favorite flyer (your top 3).

8.  favorite purveyors of smart drinks.

9.  best vending table to grab tapes tshirts and other nifty items.

10.  favorite track of the year.

11.  most overplayed track of the year.

12.  best promoting crew.

13.  favorite zine (midwest).

14.  worst bust of 95.

15.  worst party, overall, of the year.

16.  best place to go after a party (if it's specific, include the city).

17.  best pants for the party :P

18.  favorite midwest dj who's moved to one of the coasts...
      
19.  favorite/best store to buy records, mixed tapes or cds (location).

20.  best net.get.together at a party.

21.  dirtiest party (snot-wise, clothes-wise, etc).

22.  do you feel that plur was put into practice more in 1995 or 1994?

23.  what is the biggest problem in the scene we're going to tackle in 1996?


if it's not specified, the questions above refer to 1995 and to the
midwest...

this is a repost for those of you who had unsubbed for break or for those who
havent had the chance to fill it out yet.  i will tabulate and post the
results by 31 january 1996 so consider jan 30 your deadline (no pressure :)

dont feel as if you have to answer all of these questions.  additionally, it
is acceptable to answer most of question 1 with the same party, most of
question 2 with the same dj, and both parts of question 3 with the same live
act.  incidentally, no disrespect is meant toward cities and areas of the
midwest other than chicago and detroit in question 2.

best wishes and stay safe :)

-dave <:
dps927@nwu.edu

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Since everybody is taking there time out and writing about what Raves are for
them, I decided to give my reason why I'am proud to say I'm a Raver!  First
of all, the main reason is for the Music... Some of my friends can't
understand how deeply I feel for this stuff coming out of the huge speakers
in front of me... Well it's simple to us Ravers, but to others how do we
explain this tremendous out of body feeling we get just from dancing our
Asses off listening to the beats for hours and hours!  It's like I found my
own Heaven and fellow Angels, which is my brother and sister Ravers.  The
Second reason is for the atmosphere, if you look at a Rave from the time you
walk into it, you can see it's not normal according to regular society..  but
in reality there is nothing strange about it!  Why can't guys hug other guys,
girls kiss other girls, and everybody wear whatever they want to outside?
 Does it really matter?  Are we that bad we must only show this to ourselves
in our little Freak parties?  I don't know the answer, but all I do know is
I'm thankfull I have found a place where everybody is and always will be
Normal, A fellow person, And most important, another Human Life...!!!  And I
hope it never goes away...

PEACE>LOVE>UNITY>DANCE<PRIDE
Raver 76

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You wrote: 
>
>
>Hullo All!
>
>Does anyone happen to know if the Ladybug makeup rave is still 
happening,
>and if so is it in February?
>
>Thanks,
>Mandito
>


Yea, I would really like to try that party again, My friends and i lost 
$140 on tickets, and a long drive...sure we had fun bitchin bout the 
cops but the promotors following though on their promise would be true 
to the message of our scene...

either way letting us know would be appreciated and respected,

love jason

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>either way letting us know would be appreciated and respected,

yah will someone in chicago pls call the vm # and see what's up?  it was
supposed to be on 2.10...

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 24 23:30:11 1996
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WE'll I was kind of disappointed.  but not so much from the 
commercialization of it all, but the lack of it.  You would think 
something that gets blasted as much as this party did, would have had 
all the frills but not the thrills.  I thought it was kind of second 
rate compaired to some I've been to in STL.  The location really makes 
a difference, give me a dark damp condemed spacous ware house with 
little nooks and crannies to investigate and I am a happy raveR!



well ok I stupidly missed beltram's set due to him being on from 12-1 
too earli, from the people I talked to energy flash was real good.  

I dont understand why people are touting westbam...I thought his 
material was old-schoolish, stupid silly samples with a sappy beat 
reminded me, as Raver76 put it, "like B96"  

Hardsequenser... he slung some slammen stuff, I just couldnt leave the 
floor, each mix was smooth and each track seemed better than the 
last...I also liked DJ skull, he started out smooth and somber then 
before I knew it everyone was on the floor and he pounded out some good 
trance...brownie was ok but I had to leave right after he started.

The vibe was good everyone having a cool time, which I thought was 
amazing considering the venue!  It had that highschool cafeteria tile 
floor, and was white!  yes white  you could practically read in that 
place, way too bright...the lights were so-so but I am jaded since I 
saw Star Generation's lights, that perhaps was the most incredible 
thing i have witnessed.  I still say lasers are out, give me massive 
strobes, that really shocks the optic nerve, especially with a good fog 
machine.  oH yea the floor was way slippery, I nearly fell down 
dancin...once ya got use to it, slidden around like james brown is kind 
of fun!!!IAHHHfeelgood...


Net met was slim, and unfortunately quick...since there were 2 smartbar 
areas it was hard to get every one together...hoped everyone liked the 
clove cigs!)


Ps good job on the toilet paper Tee-Pee, those industrial size tp rolls 
go a long way!

smiles till next time!

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if you are planning on goin to heatwave in madison this friday nite...
 (608.845.2379)  

***net.meet**at the smart bar**2AM***

hope to see ya there....
love.2.the.mw.fam.
ink.
                  P.S> please promote a phat-ass vibe at the party, and show
each other the power of attitude, positive attitude.     P>L>U>R.

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 24 23:54:07 1996
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MHILL@athena.valpo.edu wrote:
>is anyone going to "HOME"  this weekend?   what's the most promising
>party this weekend??  --i hadn't seen anything about the stuff going
>down in the immediate future, but am enjoying the raver testemonial
>thread all the same.   please inform me on parties and net-raver get-
>togethers.   thanx
>       happily overwhelmed,
>                       *tripkid*
 
well, there will be a net-raver get-together for 'home'...
we are going to throw a dinner party
if we have enough $$
i'll post info to the list

i just had the most terrible radio show ever :(
one of my tables died
i messed up tons of mixxes
some headphones died
i had to stop spinnin acid jazz and spin trance..today was no day for jazz
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan 25 00:43:38 1996
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hey,
I was wondering if anyone out there who has bought an MTX product has had
problems with it.  I bought a mixer (MX750) and when I got it, the crossfader
was broken.  I called them up and they said I should send it back and they
would repair it and refund my shipping charges.  I sent it next day air which
cost $32.  I thought I would get it in a few days....about 3 WEEKS later I got
my mixer back.  There was no check or money to cover my shipping expenses so I
wasted 32 bucks right there.  I wasn't too pissed about that.  So anyway, I
hooked up my mixer, and the crossfader was still broken!  The exact same thing
was wrong with it!  Enclosed in the box was a document stating that the
merchandise was "repaired and tested".  Bullshit!  Well, needless to say, I
was pissed so I called MTX again and told them I wanted a new mixer.  The
rude "helper" stated that MTX has a "three try" policy.  MTX gets 3 fucking
tries to repair faulty merchandise (at my expense) before they replace it! 
Has anyone else out there had this kind of shit?  If so, please write me.

			Todd

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Hello there kidz,
 this will be the final line-up for STOMP!
We've added a live PA to the bill which will round out an already awesome
line-up.

Thanks!!

DjSubZero

Catalyst & ATP proudly bring forth:

STOMP!
Chicago
Sat. March 9th

World Famous Talent:

Ian Pooley
Frankfurt, Germany
First Ever U.S. Appearance!
Force Inc./Definitive/AFU Recordings

The Stickmen
Toronto, Canada
Stickman Records
Greg & Paul will be playing an extended Tag Team Set!!

Live PA by Barada aka Bryan Zentz
Definitive/Bush Recordings
First Ever Midwest Appearance!!

John Acquaviva
London, Ontario, Canada
Plus 8/Definitive Recordings
Back by popular demand! Disco/House at its Best!!

DJ ESP Woody McBride
Minneapolis/St.Paul
Communique/Sounds Records
The Master of the Monotonal Groove Himself!!

Terry Mullan 
Chicago
Definitive Recordings
New Jack Come Lately...

Sleepy C
Cleveland
Psychoactive/Definitive Recordings
Techno/House Master!!

Hyperactive
Chicago
Contact/Hybrid Records
The Samoan Acid Stomper!!

Look For Pre-Flyer at home, and Main Flyer due out first week of February!



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jan 25 04:03:54 1996
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(subtitled: WHY I RAVE *snicker*)

well like a lot of people my age (mid-20s) i got into techno via the 
industrial route.  MEAT BEAT and 808 did it for me, as well as the more 
ambient stuff of SWANS, THE CRANES, COCTEAU TWINS, etc all that 
lush-sounding 4A.D. stuff...

now at that time, anywhere from 1989-1992, techno was not really split 
into too many categories...MEAT BEAT, YOUNG GODS, LFO, and ERASURE could 
often be found in the same section at the record store, for example...
"techno" covered a lot of ground, from industrial to house to ambient.
but the differentiation which has taken place since (jungle/hardcore/
acid/trax/trip-hop etc) is misleading, because even then, most of today's 
categories did exist (if unnamed and undeveloped).  acid jazz/trip hop 
originally existed in the `70s, played on real instruments...of course 
then it was called "soul" or "free jazz" or "instrumental funk."
electro, or "breakdance music" was often called "techno" and just as 
often not even differentiated from hip hop.  acid and acid house existed 
as early as 1986 (probably earlier, going back to disco!), but it was 
slower, and only a few people in chicago and other big city-clubs even knew 
about it.  jungle existed, but it was a lot poppier and was called "break 
beat" or "hip house" (and it was often slow enough to even be mixed with 
house!).   really hard industrial dance stuff existed, verging on 
gabber.  etc. 

(ok, enough of that shit)

i appreciated the more electronic side of things, and saw the difference 
between what was the house-culture influence of bands like DEE-LITE, as 
opposed to the teutonic-influenced NITZER EBB, for example, but i liked 
it all, even though my real exposure to the origins of those musics (on 
the one hand, club culture, and on the other, punk/industrial culture) was 
limited by where i am...columbus ohio.  not too clubby or punky here :)

in late 1991 i met titonton duvante, who was doing music with a band 
called BODY RELEASE.  later i found out that an old industrial mate named 
charles noel was also with the band (todd sines and mike szebczek were 
the other two band members).  BODY RELEASE sounded like a crossbreeding 
of LFO, old-skool breakbeat (esp REINFORCED), and house.  i saw them play 
a couple times, liked them somewhat, but then i realized electronic 
music, and especially techno,  was getting too "busy" for my taste.
  
my turnoff point:  in summer of 1992, i heard a song called "there is no 
law" and i just couldn't handle it.  it was too fast, crazy, changed too 
much, and i knew i just wasn't ready for it.  so i thought i was "over" 
techno and basically pulled out of what little scene there was for that 
kind of music, and went back to rock 'n' roll.  (ok, ok, so sue me)

at the same time, however, i worked with titonton on some new-agey 
type of music, playfully called DISCO BREAD, with me on guitar and him on 
keyboard, which we didnt take very seriously (especially with a name like 
THAT! :).  

but just from being over at that house (where the whole B/RE cru lived), i 
soaked up a lot of information which i had never really put together 
before.  i saw the lineages through which techno could be traced:

titonton was into early breaks and especially new classical stuff like 
MEREDITH MONK, PHILIP GLASS, and TERRY RILEY.  charles came into techno 
through hip hop and house...and he never understood that what was so 
obvious to him (that house was a "black" thing to a great degree) was 
totally misunderstood by his own black culture (now, it's the opposite...
the white kids don't realize how black techno is ;).  todd was the one i 
most related to musically; he listened to a lot of "intelligent" 
industrial such as early P.I.L., COIL, etc...

it made just as much sense to approach techno from titonton's minimal 
classical stuff as it did through hip hop as it did through industrial 
(of course i only really realized all of this JUST NOW AS I'M WRITING IT ;).

and they were _always_ playing breakbeat!  especially off the REINFORCED 
label, and little by little i realized that that stuff had some of the 
same avant-garde flavor that i so admired in the dark music of the 
SWANS, THIS MORTAL COIL, etc...which i had been really into.  the 
beat-cutting really woke me up because here was a music that was really 
taking sampling into new realms, like no other music (STILL) has really 
done.  also, APHEX TWIN and SOURCE, which todd was playing a lot, 
led me to a deeper understanding of the lushness and beauty which techno 
could be capable of...

now, as far as "raves" go i really didnt understand what the big deal 
was.  it just seemed like another name for an afterhours.  so when todd 
handed me a flyer for RAVIN BRAN in november 1992, in cleveland (where BODY 
RELEASE was playing), i just laughed and said "it's not worth driving up to 
cleveland for _that_."

in early 1993 the B/RE cru threw a house party and i showed some nasty old
stag films on the ceiling.  the djs sucked but the party was still great
because no real dj culture had really developed in columbus, outside of 
the clubs.  so to hear everyone just faking it was a real great time (all  
except charles, who had been spinning hip hop since he was like 13).  i 
still didn't feel like i could "stoop" to the level of techno again, 
"it's a fad," i thought.  but then i heard 2 songs that really changed my 
perspective: "zig zag" and "percolator."  dude, this was _music_.  these 
were minimal little dittys with jazz clips and truly innovative sounds...
and man, i was hooked.  little by little i started "getting" it, i kept 
finding more and more songs that i "understood."  then i understood that 
the point of some techno IS to be totally obtuse and relentlessly 
repetitve; in fact the whole traxx/trance thing really started getting 
to me.  and then all that "busy" stuff, embodied by the new spirit of 
breakbeat, which at first had almost literally scared me away from 
techno (!), also made sense.  i loved it!

but my first "real" rave wasn't until march of 1993, called FELICITY'S 
BLISS in cleveland.  the only reason i went was because i was starting to do 
visuals for BODY RELEASE, showing silly films and such.  it was a 
terrible party but interestingly, a band called BIG ENGINE played (2 
members of which are now in the ele mental posse: stephen/kingSize and 
rich/ihannoa).  if i recall correctly, i really didn't get much into 
raving at all, except as the visual guy.  the first party i think i went 
to just for the fun of it was CRYSTAL'S BIRTHDAY in dayton (gee, anyone 
remember THAT chestnut?).  (on second thought i think i did some visuals 
for that party, but oh who cares)

anyway, to move along here, i got into event-throwing soon after.  basically
this sculptor dude wanted us to use his space for a party and of course i 
saw it as a cool opportunity to make it a lot more artsy-fartsy than the 
silly parties i had already been to, but the sculptor dude went to a 
cheesy rave in town and said "uh, never mind."  we said, "fuck it" and so 
todd found a parking garage and we threw our first party (where we got 
our name): ELE MENTAL, in may of 1993.  dieselboy and a couple club djs 
spun, as well as titonton (who still didnt know how to spin) and charles...
it was a great time.  then we did a little bigger one called COMFORT in 
the summer of 1993, which turned out pretty nice (over 500 ppl came!), 
but then shortly thereafter, something happened.

the scene died.  

for months, it seemed that parties were barely happening.  was the "fad" 
over? (well of course you know the answer)

then BODY RELEASE broke up...everyone was doing their own thing and it was 
just no use trying to squeeze it all into one band.  and altho the 
breakup was a positive one with lots of promise, the state of the scene 
raised serious questions about what might happen to techno...in other 
words, was it worth it?

then THE VIBE IS ON happened in dayton in september of 1993, and it seemed 
like a culmination of sorts...an amazing party to end an era. 

i often reflect on the significance of that moment where we all 
thought, here in columbus at least, that the scene was dead.  what were 
we to do?  titonton and i, at least, used to have conversations like 
"what will breaks sound like in 10 years?"  the answer was unspeakable; 
we just _couldn't_ imagine it (the last 3 years have certainly born 
_that_ out, as jungle has gotten more and more out there...).  but it was 
our own curiosity, our own need to find out what would happen, that 
forced us to keep hope.

in december 1993, i spearheaded an event (for the first time), called 
SNOW*BALL (named by titonton).  it was my own attempt to get ele mental 
back involved in the process...our statement to the world that we were 
here to STAY, at least long enough to find out where music was going to 
go, and with or without a "scene."  the scene picked up bigtime soon 
after SNOW*BALL, and hasn't stopped since...in fact it's gotten bigger, 
more diverse, and more uncontrollable.  ravers, more than ever, do NOT 
share a common experience, as there are too many parties in too many 
places on the same night.

partially because of this, ele mental did not do a big event in 1994 at all.
we did house parties and helped jj in kentucky a couple times, etc...but 
it just seemed like doing a party wasn't the same with so much going on.
we also thought that with such a glut of events, and such an influx of the 
drug culture, that very few of these "ravers" could ever care about the 
things we cared (care) about.

but we kept our faith, ultimately, through the smaller stuff, and because 
we saw what was going on in other cities.  detroit was instrumental in 
this...especially dat and his POORBOY parties...i mean, if people in such a 
FUCKED UP CITY could do it, then why not us?  the ILLUMINATORS also 
opened the doors for us, letting us spin and involving us in the 
process...coz they understood what was up, too (even tho they have yet to 
do a "weird" event ;).  charles put out a couple tape compilations of 
columbus music called FUSION, which was yet another important statement: 
that columbus has MUSIC GOING ON and that you got to reco'nize, foo'...

by luck of circumstance and finding a couple usable spaces, ele mental 
hit the big time in 1995 with kevin/placebo's MINIMAL STATE, me and aum with 
MANTRA, and doughboy's RED TEMPEST.  charles released his own slab o 
vinyl.  todd had something released on peace frog.  more FUSION comps. 
so shit was starting to happen!

but as far as the events go, again, they were ultimately unsatisfying...
and _incredibly_ stressful.  i tried to dig deeper at an untitled event 
on jun 30 but was hit so hard that i, for one, felt that the scene could 
not support the deeper kind of event i had in mind.

now, the last 6 months have been the best we've had.  why?  we went 
smaller.  we dug deeper.  from august until last week, we've done almost 
_10_ free house parties, concerts, or small events.  and we've all 
had a hell of a lot more fun doing them and being involved in them.
less stress, less expectation, and also...more people have been getting 
the message and thanking us for it.  also, more music has come out:  2 
more by todd, one more by charles (self-released), and one by titonton 
(which people seem to especially like)...and an ambient tape compilation 
called TEXT 1 which i compiled...

so what's the point of all of this?  well, right now the scene (or the more 
appropriate phrase, "scene_S_") is at an all-time peak.  you have all kinds 
of parties: house parties, small parties, big raves, and mega-corporate 
raves.  we have a situation where the "consumers" outnumber the 
"appreciators."  in other words more people are going to parties for 
reasons related to consumption: drugs, alcohol (in some cities), 
"prestige," to "fit in," or by pure accident.  

now i'm not saying this is exclusively bad, but it is harder for people 
in today's scene to really appreciate the true nature of the scene, or 
rather the deeper shit which i would say has to do with the music, djs, 
ppl that make the music, technology, visuals, the tribal gathering 
thing, self-discovery THRU drugs, and most especially: the grass-roots 
nature of the whole process.  it is hard for "consumers" to appreciate 
these things when it is so easy for them to take the scene for granted.  

"there's always another party" is a typical attitude.  well in mid-1993, 
the scene almost did die, let me tell you.  (and in some ways it is 
always in danger of dying...)

very few of the "consumers" are asking themselves just those questions 
that may lead them towards this deeper understanding, such as: "why am i a 
`raver'?" "who am i?" "what is _really_ going on here?"  and VERY FEW 
promoters are making that extra effort towards providing an environment 
where this kind of dialogue and self-reflection can take place.

my involvement in ele mental--as the loudest voice on the net and 
sometimes otherwise, as an event-thrower/designer, as a webpage designer, 
as a "raver" just out to have a great time--has been a slow but steady 
process of coming closer and closer to that understanding: the 
understanding of my (admittedly self-appointed) responsibility to try new 
ways of making this environment of self-discovery possible.  

THAT's what the events that i have spearheaded are all about.  i'd say 
even the ones that weren't/aren't by me (such as MINIMAL STATE and RED 
TEMPEST, and GENERATOR coming up this april) have had/will have some of this 
aesthetic in mind.

THAT's why i rave.  THAT's why i throw events.  THAT's why i post.  
THAT's why i did the webpages, for ele mental as well as mw-raves.
to be an example of someone who loves the music and the scene so much
that i'm willing to put my money and time where my mouth is.  to do what 
i can to encourage that self-reflection, and not all the shadiness, 
frivolity, and excess of many other events/crus.  and to give props where 
props are due...to the promoters, musicians, djs, and the people and history 
that has gotten us here...

do i expect a big smooch?  hell no...all i really want is for you, yes i 
mean YOU reading this right now, to ask yourself those deeper questions...
and find your own answers.  ele mental is not about preaching, it's 
about living by example.  sometimes i do feel i have to preach and bitch 
and moan just to be heard, but so be it (maybe that's wrong, but 
sometimes i think it is necessary).

so there you have it.

and that, my net homeys, is what SNOW*FALL is all about.  it's part 2 of 
SNOW*BALL, our appropriately-named party at the true beginning of our 
long road towards...ourselves.

one more thing:  i hate to turn this into a whole promo for the event, 
but SNOW*FALL is truly a collaboration between us all.  several of us are 
putting up the necessary funds to get this all together, and almost all 
the people you see on the flyer or on the net post are PLAYING FOR FREE.
that's right.  todd sines and stephen/kingSize are playing for NOTHING, 
titonton, charles/monochrome, chris, placebo, doughboy, etc etc etc.
and even the detroit cru which are our guests (shake, paris, billeebob, 
brian gillespie) are doing it for next-to-nothing because THEY 
understand, and in fact it was them who helped US through the downtime.  
we both owe each other a lot.  and obviously this means that the people 
throwing it aren't making a dime...and if we do (an unlikely scenario), 
well, it's "payment" for doing all of this for free.
 
so there.  that's what my "rave" experience has been all about.

i hope to see you here on fri, feb 2.  :P

and thanks if you read this far, yer a real trooper if ya did ;) 

(more later)
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e d

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>> > > Subj:       Help save Sesame Street!!!!!
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>> > >     PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major
>> > > cutbacks in funding.  In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce
>> > > spending costs and streamline their services, the government officials
>> > > believe that the funding currently going to these programs is too large a
>> > > portion of funding for something which is seen as "unworthwhile".
>> > > Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal $1.12 per
person per
>> > > year, and the National Endowment for the Arts equals $.64 a year in
total.
>> > >
>> > >     A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of
Americans
>> > > wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to national defense and law
>> > > enforcement as the most valuable programs for federal funding.
>> > >
>> > >     Each year, the Senate and House Appropriations commitees each have 13
>> > > subcommitees with jurisdiction over many programs and agencies.  Each
>> > > subcommitee passes its own appropriation bill.  The goal each year is to
>> > > have each bill signed by the beginning of the fiscal year, which is
October
>> > > 1.  In the instance of the Corporation of Public Broadcasting, the bill
>> > > determines the funding for the next three years. When  this issue
comes up
>> > > in 1996, the funding will be determined for fiscal years 1996-1998.
>> > >
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>> > > voices
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>> > > programs.
>> > >
>> > >         If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of this
>> > > petition, please send it to
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>> > > This way we can keep track of the lists and organize them.  Forward
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>> > >
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>> > >         Colorado.
>> > > 2.  Nikki Marchman, student, University of Northern Colorado, Greeley,
>> > >         Colorado.
>> > > 3.  Laura King, Salt Lake City, Utah
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>> > > 6.  Steve Mack, Seattle, WA
>> > > 7.  Stacy Shelley, Sub Pop Records, Seattle, WA.
>> > > 8.  Amy Saaed, Seattle, WA
>> > > 9.  Jill Hudgins, Atlanta, GA
>> > > 10. Alex Goolsby, student, Colgate University, Hamilton, NY
>> > > 11. Aisha K. McGriff, North Carolina School of Science and Math
>> > > 12. Amy Brushwood, North Carolina School of Science and Math
>> > > 13. Mason Blackwell, student and generally great guy, The College of
>> > >         William and Mary
>> > > 14. Melinda Murphy, student, St. Mary's College of Maryland
>> > > 15. Amy Raphael, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > 16. Nancy Adleman, student, Stanford University
>> > > 17. Paul Bodnar, student, Stanford University
>> > > 18. Kunal Bajaj, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > 19. Sharon Seltzer, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > 20. Sugirtha Vivekananthan, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > 21. Ann Wang, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > 22. Seth Resler, student, Brown University
>> > > 23. Leslie Ching, student, Brown University
>> > > 24. Sylvia Barbut, student, Carnegie Mellon University
>> > > 25. Douglas Bramel, student, Carnegie Mellon University
>> > > 26. Nancy Trasande, student, Harvard University
>> > > 27. Roisin Egenton, student, Johns Hopkins University
>> > > 28. Meira Silverstein, student, University of South Carolina
>> > > 29. James Tung, student, University of Rochester, Eastman School of Music
>> > > 30. Alexis Zingale, student, University of Rochester,Eastman School of
>> > >         Music
>> > > 31. Stella Branzburg, student, UofR, Eastman School of Music
>> > > 32. Brian Sick, student, University of Rochester
>> > > 33. Arun Prakash, student, University of Rochester
>> > > 34. Priya Prakash Budde, student, Purdue University
>> > > 35. Stephen Kaiser, student, Purdue University
>> > > 36. Christopher M. Keslin, student, Indiana University
>> > > 37. Simon Lee, student, Indiana University
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>> > > 40. Amy Elizabeth Gleason, student, Indiana University
>> > > 41. Rebecca S. Elliott, student, Indiana University
>> > > 42. Judith King, student, Indiana University School of Music
>> > > 43. Katherine Hucker, student, Indiana University
>> > > 44. Kara Ettenson, student, Indiana University
>> > > 45. Jessica Cutrera, student, Indiana University
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>> >   52. Rachel Riffel, student, Bowling Green State University, Ohio.
>> >   53. James C. Temple, student, Ohio University
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So I'm sure everyone watched President Clinton's State of
the Union address yesterday, where he outlined to congress
and the American people his vision for the future of the
country.  I thought things got interesting at the end when
he was talking about working together, finding common
ground, etc.  He signalled to Al Gore, who pressed a 
button, and all of a sudden music started playing.  Most
people looked a little confused, but a few started dancing
and pretty soon the entire place was on it's feet cheering
and shouting as the strobes kicked in; the highlight  for me
came when Senator Alfonse D'Amato and Hillary hugged each other...
And then I woke up.

Lee
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Take it back to the store you bought it at.  Just get your maoney back, 
go to a differnt store or a mail order place and buy a differnt mixer.
My MTX 150 is 1 1/2 years old.  It is ruined by static, not by losing signal.
I have been told by MTX to get a new board.  Now that's shit!
So, I get to use my buddy's Gemini instead, and talk about a shitty 
company.  NEVER EVER EVERT purchase a GEMINI.  NEVER!  THEY SUCK!  If you 
thought MTX products went bad too quickly, then gemini do it with hyperspeed.

Only advise I have... get a numark.  
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On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Jason A. Giles wrote:

> 
> WE'll I was kind of disappointed.  but not so much from the 
> commercialization of it all, but the lack of it.  You would think 
> something that gets blasted as much as this party did, would have had 
> all the frills but not the thrills.  I thought it was kind of second 
> rate compaired to some I've been to in STL.  The location really makes 
> a difference, give me a dark damp condemed spacous ware house with 
> little nooks and crannies to investigate and I am a happy raveR!
> 
It will probably be along time before chicago has a large event in that 
kind of space again.  The political climate is just near impossible for 
it to happen.  Also, a promoter would have to be stupid top do a major 
event in a warehouse in chicago at this time, just way too much risk 
involved to through a high budgeted party in a warehouse (at least in 
chicago,  We are a little more fortunate in Louisville!! :-).  


> > 
> well ok I stupidly missed beltram's set due to him being on from 12-1 
> too earli, from the people I talked to energy flash was real good.  
> 
> I dont understand why people are touting westbam...I thought his 
> material was old-schoolish, stupid silly samples with a sappy beat 
> reminded me, as Raver76 put it, "like B96"  

I definately have to disagree here, Those sounds were for the most part 
new german trax with some older stuff interspersed in the set.  The 
'those stupid silly samples' were a primary influence in early techno.  
You will be hearing much more of this type stuff this year.  1996 is the 
year of Happy Hardcore/4-beat.  His music was fresh, that is the trend 
that the music has been taking for sometime now, (since at least mid 
1995).  I think that I first noticed a few trax like this in my April 
order of german music.  Since then it has gained more and more popularity 
to the point where the majority of hte music that I get is of this sort.  
Westbam's music was not on the far cutting edge, I have probably 2/3rds 
of the trax he played, but was very current and to be expected; Westbam 
is an anthemy kinda of guy.  the crowds he plays for want that kind of 
music for avante guarde type stuf I would look more to someone like Paul 
van Dyke.


> The vibe was good everyone having a cool time, which I thought was 
> amazing considering the venue!  It had that highschool cafeteria tile 
> floor, and was white!  yes white  you could practically read in that 
> place, way too bright...the lights were so-so but I am jaded since I 

The vibe is always what you make it; although in this case, the promters 
could have done a lot more to enhance the atmosphere for the party.  
Jimmy, boy wonder, made the same space look really nice for FAME.  He 
took what he had to work with and run with it producing a disco-y sort of 
atmosphere.


tim


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Maybe I missed it (I only resubbed less than a week ago), but could someone
post a SNOW*FALL e-flyer for me?  It'd be much appreciated.

adam


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AMEN BROTHER RAVER!!!!!!! RAVE ON!!!!!!! YOU HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR RAVE

On Thu, 25 Jan 1996 Raver76@aol.com wrote:

> Since everybody is taking there time out and writing about what Raves are for
> them, I decided to give my reason why I'am proud to say I'm a Raver!  First
> of all, the main reason is for the Music... Some of my friends can't
> understand how deeply I feel for this stuff coming out of the huge speakers
> in front of me... Well it's simple to us Ravers, but to others how do we
> explain this tremendous out of body feeling we get just from dancing our
> Asses off listening to the beats for hours and hours!  It's like I found my
> own Heaven and fellow Angels, which is my brother and sister Ravers.  The
> Second reason is for the atmosphere, if you look at a Rave from the time you
> walk into it, you can see it's not normal according to regular society..  but
> in reality there is nothing strange about it!  Why can't guys hug other guys,
> girls kiss other girls, and everybody wear whatever they want to outside?
>  Does it really matter?  Are we that bad we must only show this to ourselves
> in our little Freak parties?  I don't know the answer, but all I do know is
> I'm thankfull I have found a place where everybody is and always will be
> Normal, A fellow person, And most important, another Human Life...!!!  And I
> hope it never goes away...
> 
> PEACE>LOVE>UNITY>DANCE<PRIDE
> Raver 76
> 

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does anyone know the price and location of home this saturday?

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I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone that I have worked with for
joining with me and throwing some very good parties.  First of all I'd like
to thank Heath (of the Superstars),  
Monica, Elizabeth, and Goodwill for their help and support in throwing
Lovebomb in Delaware.  As Zenith we bonded together to throw an unforgettable
party.  I like to send a special thanks out to Lee and Brian of Akron, Ohio
for letting me join with them as Underground Peace Society (UPS) to throw
some of Ohio's best parties up to the final time I worked with them on Family
Affair.  Support them in anything they do as UPS because these guys are
definately in it for the right reasons.  They have a party coming up on March
9th. It is their one year anniversary. Stay tuned for more details because
this party is shaping up to be pretty incredible.  Keep up the good work
Brian and Lee.  It's all up to you guys. Peace and love.
                                      trevor lamont  

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	There are a few people here in St. Louis who are really pissed at 
me for some reason!  WHAT DID I DO?  People are telling me that I was 
saying bad things about the dialated party last weekend or so.  I 
DIDN'T!!  I have a job now!  I dont have time to read my mail, and I 
havent been to a club or a party in about a month!  I am working over 50 
hours a week.  What did I do?  The only person who has had access to my 
account who even cares about raves is this kid Ron.  He's best friends 
with Dan Nordmans brother (Dan is with dialated I beleive).  I let him 
use my account to look something up for school (so he says).  WHAT IS 
GOING ON???  If something was said in my name I am very sorry to whomever 
I offended (Well whomever my account offended).  Please let me know what 
is going on, and please accept my appology.
					-Scott
  

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If there is anyone out there who is interested in selling equipment, or 
if you know somewhere where I can get some good, relatively cheap shit, 
please email me at ohabdulb@artsci.wustl.edu. I am also interested in 
advice on good trancy vinyls to purchase. Any other love and support for 
a struggling dj tryin' to start up would be greatly appreciated.

I need a mixer (Any kind but MTX will do, I guess), turntables (T 1200's 
desired), any kind of speakers, and any good vinyls you will offer.

	Much Thanx and Peace out.

	    Da Cookie Monstah



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        So far I haven't read anything about a net.meet at Headrush in
Lafayette, IN this Friday.  Is there already one set up or would anyone
else that's going be interested in meeting?  If so I'll be there probably
by 12:00 or 12:30 (gotta work till 10:00 <UGH!>).  Anyway, hope to see
lotsa peeps there.  =)



-=(  Dave Justice   )=-
-=(ravekid@cris.com )=-
-=(indydave on vrave)=-

**Indiana, the final (rave) frontier**



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>        So far I haven't read anything about a net.meet at Headrush in
>Lafayette, IN this Friday.  Is there already one set up or would anyone
>else that's going be interested in meeting?  If so I'll be there probably
>by 12:00 or 12:30 (gotta work till 10:00 <UGH!>).  Anyway, hope to see
>lotsa peeps there.  =)
>
>
>
>-=(  Dave Justice   )=-
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>
>**Indiana, the final (rave) frontier**

i'll be here for sure.  :)  look for a kid wif blonde hair and labret
pierced that looks like a typical ravah kid handing out flyers for
sno*fall...i'll prolly be at home too :)  home ta see y'all....

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

**************************************************************************
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 from.....from *nowhere*??!?"
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Subject: dinner party, feb. 3, rolla, MO
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a dinner party          february 3              4:30pm-?

hello all. nikki and friends are throwing a dinner party in 
rolla, missouri on feb.3 (before the rave called 'home')..you 
are invited to come down for free speghetti and other eats.

 t h e   f o o d
speghetti (vegan as well as vegitarian; and meat if someone
wants it)..drinks, snacks, desserts, etc.

 o p e n   t u r n t a b l e s
please bring records if you want to spin (10-15 record 
rotation).a very clean klipsch sound system, nice for a 
dinner party, but plenty of subwoofers and amps to shake 
dow the house if you feel like it. (10-15 subs 12"=15"),
klipsch and cerwin-vega mids and highs, nice klipsch monitors. 
enough amps to drive it all.

 t h e   p e o p l e
this is definitely not a private affair, but we'd like to
know who wants to come so we know how much to cook. but if
you can't get word to us, just show up (with your friends)

 t h e   d o n a t i o n   j a r
if you have a spare dollar, please bring it. but if not,
its enough that you come, we will be more than happy to
provide you with food and tunes. (btw, home will cost $5,
for all those who have asked/are wondering)

 t h e   d i r e c t i o n s
please email me for directions. this way we might get an 
idea of about how many people will come, and this post is
kept short for forwards.


i hope you can make it. if you need crash space before or
after feb. 3, just drop a note.
-raj (rkumar@umr.edu)


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At 01:22 AM 1/26/96 -0500, michael mccusty wrote:


>
>i'll be here for sure.  :)  look for a kid wif blonde hair and labret
>pierced that looks like a typical ravah kid handing out flyers for
>sno*fall...i'll prolly be at home too :)  home ta see y'all....
>
>love, luck, and lollipops,
>michael
>allroy
>
Oh THAT's pretty fucking descriptive.  He'll definitely find you now
michael. ;)  Look for Olivia.  She is the semi-asian chick with long LONG
brown hair.  If you find her you will find the rest of us. :)  

Lucy


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>At 01:22 AM 1/26/96 -0500, michael mccusty wrote:
>
>
>>
>>i'll be here for sure.  :)  look for a kid wif blonde hair and labret
>>pierced that looks like a typical ravah kid handing out flyers for
>>sno*fall...i'll prolly be at home too :)  home ta see y'all....
>>
>>love, luck, and lollipops,
>>michael
>>allroy
>>
>Oh THAT's pretty fucking descriptive.  He'll definitely find you now
>michael. ;)  Look for Olivia.  She is the semi-asian chick with long LONG
>brown hair.  If you find her you will find the rest of us. :)
>
>Lucy


oh yeah..and look for me too =) i'll be the girl running around with a
giant smile on her face posting up some big signs reading *NET.MEET 2AM
SMART BAR*
that way we will all find each other! ;) i hope to meet a buncha you
netravers i dont already know IRL...so you best be there! ;)


kate/keight O+



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to anyone who wants a few flyers for SNOW*FALL, ele mental's next little 
event on fri 2 feb 96 in columbus ohio.

i promise they look cool, they are small and politically correct, and 
have a great design sense (by resident graphic designer mcjones).  i mean 
that.

even if you don't plan on coming, i am willing to send you a couple!
just send me your snail-mail address and you should get em within the week.

why am i doing this?  well, partially i don't want anyone to have an 
excuse to say "i didnt know about it."  but mostly, i am trying to prove 
that we're trying to do something DIFFERENT with our events.  so if you're 
with us, then i'm willing to front the postage.  this goes hand in hand 
with my personal history post...if you read that then you shouldn't be 
surprised by this...

(that's it...no preaching, whining, or "defending" the columbus scene! 
woo woo! ;)

++
e d

e l e  m e n t a l  stamp-licker

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> >At 01:22 AM 1/26/96 -0500, michael mccusty wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>i'll be here for sure.  :)  look for a kid wif blonde hair and labret
> >>pierced that looks like a typical ravah kid handing out flyers for
> >>sno*fall...i'll prolly be at home too :)  home ta see y'all....
> >>
> >>love, luck, and lollipops,
> >>michael
> >>allroy
> >>
> >Oh THAT's pretty fucking descriptive.  He'll definitely find you now
> >michael. ;)  Look for Olivia.  She is the semi-asian chick with long LONG
> >brown hair.  If you find her you will find the rest of us. :)
> >
> >Lucy
> 
> 
> oh yeah..and look for me too =) i'll be the girl running around with a
> giant smile on her face posting up some big signs reading *NET.MEET 2AM
> SMART BAR*
> that way we will all find each other! ;) i hope to meet a buncha you
> netravers i dont already know IRL...so you best be there! ;)
> 
> 
> kate/keight O+
> 
yeah, and look for me too, i'll be the kid in big baggy jeans and 
tshirt with a short haircut.  i'll be in airwalks and i'll look 
hungry.  if you offer me a sip of your water and i accept you'll know 
it's a sign....it'll be our little code.  BEWARE OF IMPOSTERS!!

--star*

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star@interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~star
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From: syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
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along this why we go to raves thread that has started up, i thought
i'd post a piece that really inspired me. in fact it inspired me so
much i printed it in a past PLRM. here it is...

 this is jabber's (christopher newhard's) response to why he goes to raves...

 ...to hear incredible music, to dance, to explore warehouses, to roll around in
dirt, to socialize, to take a road trip, to explore a new city, to take a nap, 
to deprive myself of sleep, to exchange smiles, to make new friends, to watch 
dj's mix, to hear more incredible music and dance some more, to evade police, to
make friends with police, to hug people, to gaze at a full moon and the stars 
around it, to watch other people dance, to watch a sunrise, to step away from my
weekday life and gain a new perspective on it, to meet aliens, to meet locals, 
to practice telepathy, to feel bass vibrate my inards, to collect flyers, to go 
to some public place with fellow ravers after a rave and be laughed at by 
non-ravers because we are freaks, to experiment with drugs, to learn about 
myself, to learn about others, to learn about our ancestors, to learn about our 
world, to make our world a smaller place, to collect stickers, to draw, to paste
stickers on other people, to de-stress, to watch lasers, to write, to play with 
glow toys, to play with toys that adults wouldn't otherwise play with, to act 
like a fool, to watch video toasters, to share a ride, to share my food and 
water and candy, to share my thoughts, to help create an incredible vibe, to 
share that incredible vibe, to hear some cool music see some cool lights, and 
dance a bit more...there are a million reasons why I go to raves but this is all
I can think of at the moment. I don't rave for any _one_ particular reason. Or 
do I?

If it were only about music and nothing else then I would buy records and take 
them to the public library and sit myself in one of those little cubicles with a
record player and headphones and I would isolate myself from the rest of the 
world so I could concentrate on the music and nothing else. If it were only 
about music and dancing then I would steal the record player and take it to my 
secret hideout and dance the night away all by my lonesome.

No, it is all a bit more complex than just music and dancing, I'm afraid. So I 
ask myself what is the main thing that keeps me coming back? What makes me put 
jillions of miles on my car every weekend? Why am I at raves despite seeing 
things that really bother me nine months into this little adventure...  like 
people fighting, people stealing my shit which is a big problem lately, people 
that _absolutely_ have to find some kind of drug before they begin to think 
about having fun...

Yeah raves in general make me extremely happy, but why? Why not just listen to 
this wonderful music at home if that is what it's mainly about- the music? Oooh 
this has had me stumped for the last couple of hours trying to figure it all out
but now that it finally hit me it is so simple...

It is YOU all that keep me coming back... You know the main points I threw out 
at the beginning of this message? - listening watching exploring learning 
sharing etc... Well I have discovered a group of people that is extremely 
passionate about listening, watching, exploring, learning, and sharing like no 
other group of people I have come across before. And I also think we are 
passionate about doing all this _together_ and because of that we bring out the 
best in eachother like no group of people I have ever seen before. Does anybody 
understand what I am saying? I am really struggling to put this into words and 
when I read back over it I'm not sure the point comes across...

Yes we have our little differences, and yes there are people who do nothing but 
detract... But in general it is the PEOPLE I see around me that keep me coming 
back for more. The fact that I can look around me and see people having more fun
than they should be allowed to, dancing, listening, watching, learning, sharing 
- people that are busy figuring out what they can give to our little scene 
rather than looking for something to take away from it - that is what continues 
to amaze me the same as it did on day one.

So I guess this is my answer. Yes I go to dance and to hear excellent music and 
for other reasons. But the main thing that keeps me coming back for more is that
I enjoy the company of all these incredible people. When I stop finding these 
people - that is the day I will just sit at home and listen to the music.

--
________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________

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On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> along this why we go to raves thread that has started up, i thought
> i'd post a piece that really inspired me. in fact it inspired me so
> much i printed it in a past PLRM. here it is...
> 
>  this is jabber's (christopher newhard's) response to why he goes to raves...
> 
>  ...to hear incredible music, to dance, to explore warehouses, to roll around in
> dirt, to socialize, to take a road trip, to explore a new city, to take a nap, 
> to deprive myself of sleep, to exchange smiles, to make new friends, to watch 
> dj's mix, to hear more incredible music and dance some more, to evade police, to
> make friends with police, to hug people, to gaze at a full moon and the stars 
> around it, to watch other people dance, to watch a sunrise, to step away from my
> weekday life and gain a new perspective on it, to meet aliens, to meet locals, 
> to practice telepathy, to feel bass vibrate my inards, to collect flyers, to go 
> to some public place with fellow ravers after a rave and be laughed at by 
> non-ravers because we are freaks, to experiment with drugs, to learn about 
> myself, to learn about others, to learn about our ancestors, to learn about our 
> world, to make our world a smaller place, to collect stickers, to draw, to paste
> stickers on other people, to de-stress, to watch lasers, to write, to play with 
> glow toys, to play with toys that adults wouldn't otherwise play with, to act 
> like a fool, to watch video toasters, to share a ride, to share my food and 
> water and candy, to share my thoughts, to help create an incredible vibe, to 
> share that incredible vibe, to hear some cool music see some cool lights, and 
> dance a bit more...there are a million reasons why I go to raves but this is all
> I can think of at the moment. I don't rave for any _one_ particular reason. Or 
> do I?
> 
> If it were only about music and nothing else then I would buy records and take 
> them to the public library and sit myself in one of those little cubicles with a
> record player and headphones and I would isolate myself from the rest of the 
> world so I could concentrate on the music and nothing else. If it were only 
> about music and dancing then I would steal the record player and take it to my 
> secret hideout and dance the night away all by my lonesome.
> 
> No, it is all a bit more complex than just music and dancing, I'm afraid. So I 
> ask myself what is the main thing that keeps me coming back? What makes me put 
> jillions of miles on my car every weekend? Why am I at raves despite seeing 
> things that really bother me nine months into this little adventure...  like 
> people fighting, people stealing my shit which is a big problem lately, people 
> that _absolutely_ have to find some kind of drug before they begin to think 
> about having fun...
> 
> Yeah raves in general make me extremely happy, but why? Why not just listen to 
> this wonderful music at home if that is what it's mainly about- the music? Oooh 
> this has had me stumped for the last couple of hours trying to figure it all out
> but now that it finally hit me it is so simple...
> 
> It is YOU all that keep me coming back... You know the main points I threw out 
> at the beginning of this message? - listening watching exploring learning 
> sharing etc... Well I have discovered a group of people that is extremely 
> passionate about listening, watching, exploring, learning, and sharing like no 
> other group of people I have come across before. And I also think we are 
> passionate about doing all this _together_ and because of that we bring out the 
> best in eachother like no group of people I have ever seen before. Does anybody 
> understand what I am saying? I am really struggling to put this into words and 
> when I read back over it I'm not sure the point comes across...
> 
> Yes we have our little differences, and yes there are people who do nothing but 
> detract... But in general it is the PEOPLE I see around me that keep me coming 
> back for more. The fact that I can look around me and see people having more fun
> than they should be allowed to, dancing, listening, watching, learning, sharing 
> - people that are busy figuring out what they can give to our little scene 
> rather than looking for something to take away from it - that is what continues 
> to amaze me the same as it did on day one.
> 
> So I guess this is my answer. Yes I go to dance and to hear excellent music and 
> for other reasons. But the main thing that keeps me coming back for more is that
> I enjoy the company of all these incredible people. When I stop finding these 
> people - that is the day I will just sit at home and listen to the music.
> 
> --
> ________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
> stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
> syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
> 216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________
> 


eloquently put stevie. but "making friends with cops"? i'm sure you have 
your reasons... 

nxbx

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Hey there folks,  I'll see you all at the net meet at two too.  Just look
for the cosmic red curly hair... thats me.  And if you make there by 10, I 
spin from then till 11:30, so come up and say hi!  I mean it! :)

jim
*~cosmic~~~

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My new primary e-mail address for anyone that would like to know is as
follows:
trevor88@lex.infi.net
My aol account will still be active but the previously mentioned address is
my regular address.  Peace and love.
                                  trevor lamont

PS - I am unsubbing from mw-raves on my aol account and resubscribing on my
trevor88 account.
         

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Greetings all!

I know I posted alot of you--(31 ppl to be exact) about the post I 
planned on having ready around new years about the next project
I had planned on having completed.  Well, do to some minor set-
backs, that post was unable to make it's mark until now.

I'll be in Los Angeles this weekend to spin @ 'Mary Jane 96'.
I guess this party is supposed to go over fairly well.......but that's
just what I've been told.  Anyway, I'll also be receiving my double
mixtape from the studio I sent my D.A.T copies to.  I've asked some
people if they thought it would be a good idea to post this tape for
sale over the net and they said sure.....so what I'm going to do is 
send this post publically to socal and midwest raves offering those
who are interested a chance to purchase this set of tapes.

......They're both 90 min tapes---one is hardtrance, one is goa.

......The Hardtrance tape falls into the much more colorful form
       of hardtrance. Alot of melodic, moody, emotional German
       trance that definitally keeps you interested without losing
       any energy. I've had four people listen to this already and
       all of them think this is my best project yet. I've put some
       of the white label tracks that I have been saving for this tape
       on both sides that I know you've never heard before...........
       (unless you import rare hardtrance from Nectar Records in
        Hidelberg, Germany).

........The Goa tape is a bit different sounding--seeing how it is my 
         first goa project I've worked on. It has that really dark, echo 
         warehouse feel to it with alot of strange, twisting sounds
         that only a alien could account for. Very energetic and very
         interesting but not as pretty as the hardtrance sound on the 
         previous tape.  This music does'nt get boring at all......it keeps
         you interested through each track into the next, with more and 
         more strange forms of twirling, spinning, plunging, grinding,
         swelling, bending, extracts of sound!

This is just how I see and hear and feel the music on these tapes......
please understand that I'm not trying to be my own critic, but just
explaining what I get from this project.

ANYWAY...........

The cost for these tapes is $16--which INCLUDES shipping & handling
and I can only ask that you please allow up to a week to two weeks for
your tapes to arrive(depending on where you live)

If you are interested in this double-pack----
just e-mail me at Bekkula@aol.com with your
e-mail address and I'll send you info on where
you can mail a money order or check to.

Thanks and take care!!  :)
Dan Efex at.....Bekkula@aol.com
(:o)


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how about a track listing....


anthony

> 
> 
> Greetings all!
> 
> I know I posted alot of you--(31 ppl to be exact) about the post I 
> planned on having ready around new years about the next project
> I had planned on having completed.  Well, do to some minor set-
> backs, that post was unable to make it's mark until now.
> 
> I'll be in Los Angeles this weekend to spin @ 'Mary Jane 96'.
> I guess this party is supposed to go over fairly well.......but that's
> just what I've been told.  Anyway, I'll also be receiving my double
> mixtape from the studio I sent my D.A.T copies to.  I've asked some
> people if they thought it would be a good idea to post this tape for
> sale over the net and they said sure.....so what I'm going to do is 
> send this post publically to socal and midwest raves offering those
> who are interested a chance to purchase this set of tapes.
> 
> ......They're both 90 min tapes---one is hardtrance, one is goa.
> 
> ......The Hardtrance tape falls into the much more colorful form
>        of hardtrance. Alot of melodic, moody, emotional German
>        trance that definitally keeps you interested without losing
>        any energy. I've had four people listen to this already and
>        all of them think this is my best project yet. I've put some
>        of the white label tracks that I have been saving for this tape
>        on both sides that I know you've never heard before...........
>        (unless you import rare hardtrance from Nectar Records in
>         Hidelberg, Germany).
> 
> ........The Goa tape is a bit different sounding--seeing how it is my 
>          first goa project I've worked on. It has that really dark, echo 
>          warehouse feel to it with alot of strange, twisting sounds
>          that only a alien could account for. Very energetic and very
>          interesting but not as pretty as the hardtrance sound on the 
>          previous tape.  This music does'nt get boring at all......it keeps
>          you interested through each track into the next, with more and 
>          more strange forms of twirling, spinning, plunging, grinding,
>          swelling, bending, extracts of sound!
> 
> This is just how I see and hear and feel the music on these tapes......
> please understand that I'm not trying to be my own critic, but just
> explaining what I get from this project.
> 
> ANYWAY...........
> 
> The cost for these tapes is $16--which INCLUDES shipping & handling
> and I can only ask that you please allow up to a week to two weeks for
> your tapes to arrive(depending on where you live)
> 
> If you are interested in this double-pack----
> just e-mail me at Bekkula@aol.com with your
> e-mail address and I'll send you info on where
> you can mail a money order or check to.
> 
> Thanks and take care!!  :)
> Dan Efex at.....Bekkula@aol.com
> (:o)
> 
> 


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From: AJIA TOWN <atown@siue.edu>
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ok, folks, i'm giving my all and all to be at "home" next weekend in 
rolla, so i'd like to know who all from this here 
winter-wonderland-mailing-list will be there, as well...i am so jazzed 
about going becuz i remember blackie and star and pj and roi talking 
about it a LONG time ago and stuff...hopefully i can meet some of you out 
there from vrave-land also!  so lemme know who's gonna show, aight?

*take to the sky,* you crazy cats!

blanketgirl
(a.k.a. "ajia" :P)

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nxbx sed:
================================================================= 
On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> along this why we go to raves thread that has started up, i thought
> i'd post a piece that really inspired me. in fact it inspired me so
> much i printed it in a past PLRM. here it is...
> 
>  this is jabber's (christopher newhard's) response to why he goes to raves...
> 
>  ...to hear incredible music, to dance, to explore warehouses, to roll around 

<<< etc. etc. etc.>>

> I enjoy the company of all these incredible people. When I stop finding these 
> people - that is the day I will just sit at home and listen to the music.
> 
> --
> ________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
> stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
> syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
> 216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________
> 


eloquently put stevie. but "making friends with cops"? i'm sure you have 
your reasons... 
                                                                                
nxbx
========================================================================= 

uhm thanx, but if u read the 1st part, those were not my words but jabber's.
also i realize u maybe new to this, but as to not waste bandwidth it is
not necessary to quote an entire post (see my example above), this only
results in peeving all the other list members off. in fact yur post
should've gone to private e-mail. i'm not trying to flame, just trying
to spread common netiquette knowledge.

as for what u said about making friends for cops, i wish u came to
PHUNNY PHARM this party out in akron where these cops came out to
the party, one male, one female. they proceeded to make like they
were gonna bust the party & then they told the dj to play something
sexy & they started to take off their clothes. it turned out they
were strippers the promotor hired to add some life to the party.
what started as a shocker turned out to be great laugh, so the party
definitly lived up to its name. props to matt & jill & the EPT kids
for throwing that party.

breakin the law, breakin the law...

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So does anyone know whats up with thsi part???y
supposedly cluade young is gonna be there, but I have heard he's not then
I heard he was,  so what is up?????
                            
gee i cant type worth a damn toniet oh well.
     
sluckboy

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hi!  sorry to every1 i was supposed to see at headrush. :~( i really wish i
could have been there but i ended up not being able to go...*sniffle*  i
wanted to see drc pretty badly too as i've never seen her b4 but oh
well...hope everyone had a good time and i'll see y'all at home 96
tommorrow nite...

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

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"he wonders where it went, and wonders if it meant so much.
 he mourns the hours spent, running from himself.
 he hates the way he felt, and turns it toward himself.
 he's overcome by guilt.  it chases him away.
 purpose, engage, explode, release."
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*****************Pre-Flyer*********************

	        Synethesia           
                May 4th, 1996
                Dayton, OH

Astro Kids info line:  (513)330-6659
                                              
*****************Pre-Flyer*********************

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                     Enter the depths in which they spin,
                     Here you will see no light within.
                     Beats are rapping at your chamber door,
                     You'll return to reality...

 >    >  >><<<   >       <  <<<<<<  <<<<    
 > >  <  <        >     <   <       <   <
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              <      <    <<    <<<<   <<<<<
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              <  <   <  <    <  <<<<   <<<
              <      <  <    <  <   <  <
              <      <    <<    <    < <<<<<

                          EXTENDED SETS BY
                FRANKIE BONES-New York     DAN DC-New Jersey
   
                          LIVE PERFORMANCE BY
                             TRON- Chicago
                     
                             also, sets by
                QUASAR- Milwaukee      DJ BOB- Chicago
               
                E-TONES- Minneapolis     
                  and a special guest from the twin cities

This event is brought to you by the Funshine Girls and is sponsored by the
letter `H' for HARDCORE!!!
                  March 15th, 1996   Fond Du Lac, WI
$15 at the door, $12 w/ canned food, $10 for advance tickets
         INFO LINES:
(414)8874950, I-MIX outta Appleton, NETWORK 10 outta Milwaukee, and VIBEONAUTS
outta Chicago.  

                     
    

                                            




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    On June 16th, 1996 the goddesses of fire unite to ignite at...
                         VESTA
             an all female dj party, with more info TBA

another scorching event by the Funshine Girls.
INFO: 414-887-4950



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Can you take me along Ajia? I am transportationless. I will provide some
money for gas. J.P.
p.s.i am begging even though it probably does not become me.

On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, AJIA TOWN wrote:

> ok, folks, i'm giving my all and all to be at "home" next weekend in 
> rolla, so i'd like to know who all from this here 
> winter-wonderland-mailing-list will be there, as well...i am so jazzed 
> about going becuz i remember blackie and star and pj and roi talking 
> about it a LONG time ago and stuff...hopefully i can meet some of you out 
> there from vrave-land also!  so lemme know who's gonna show, aight?
> 
> *take to the sky,* you crazy cats!
> 
> blanketgirl
> (a.k.a. "ajia" :P)
> 

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he WILL be there, i was assured of this by perry, who is involved with 
the party...i thought he would not b there because i asked him myself... 
and he sounded like he didnt know about it.  but apparently he will, 
altho he is not playing live.  well, not with keyboards at least ;)

anyone who has not seen claude, well you simply MUST.  nuff said :)
you pb-cle ppl who haven't heard about this, it's called KUNG FU MADNESS 
in cincinnati on saturday, infolne: 513-956-7116

also: anyone who's asked for SNOW*HONKEY flyers...i'm mailin em 2morrow!
++
e d

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i'm writing from the secret party shack on mars...

it just struck me

we convert humanity to binary representation and then back again
everyday

...

the night has been long and intense

i finally understand the clanky noise of the hi-hats and that grindey grab
atcha thickness in the submissive passing of modulated voice

the thickness of how the beats and the handclaps thunk together and make
that chut chut chut boom noise

that fat grimey texture presented for approval by the needle, so thick and
heavy you can visualize it's sound in your eyes like the landscapes of an
electron microscope

the groove is alien communication

the sound is alien communication

the muzik is the passing of memory and knowledge abstracted to reference so
that only the subconcious can digest and make sense unless we heighten our
understanding to it

the vibe that the muzik presents is historic emotion.  if the sound is alien
communication then it's texture is the visual geography of alien landscape.
if the sound is alien communication then the vibe that it presents and
creates and holds over us is historical remembrance of emotions past

the texture is the picture and the vibe is the undescribable element that
reminds us why the texture is important

does this make sense?

probably not.

more interesting then hearing me whine I suppose

has everything made sense to you like in one splendid moment of belief that
you understood the whole process, you realized what everything was about?

it falls out of the hand

but the emotion of that moment lingers

everything is recieve_acknowledge_transmit

data in data out

do you suppose if the muzik is alien communication that they can be
downloading their own goods into our subconcious streams?

or are they trying to teach us something or remind us of something or 

the deejay is the transport mechanism, the cargo ship chunking out the goods
to keep teaching us or reminding us or programming us ....

you all don't even want half of what I'm on

jimminy cricket

it's time to sign out from the secret party shack here on mars.  the aliens
wish you well.

earache
binary_alien


professor earache
=================>
beatPHREAKsociety


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Huh? I am scared that made too much sense too me am I losing my mind???? :)

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Mad Beats presents

FFFFFFF EEEEEEE V     V EEEEEEE RRRRRR		a minimalist excursion
F       E       V     V E       R     R
F       E       V     V E       R     R
FFFF    EEEE    V     V EEEE    RRRRRR		 in fringe depravation 
F       E        V   V  E       R  R
F       E         V V   E       R   R
F       EEEEEEE    V    EEEEEEE R    R	       and underground endurance

		LINEUP:
       e u g e n e  y a s u d a
   (detroit: house, acid house etc.)

	     H u s t l e r
  (Chicago: trance, acid, house etc.)

	       T A S T Y
 (DETROIT: ACID, HARDCORE, TRANCE, etc.)


	Activates: 2.09.96
	
	Infoline : 616-337-5939
	
	E-Info   : k94jr01@kzoo.edu

	2 dollahz at the door

Kalamazoo, MI's first underground dancing experience

(Halfway between Detroit and Chicago)

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	    therewillbeheat. 

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funny you should say this, ear...

i dunno bout it being "communication from aliens" per se (call me a 
heretic if you will), but i will say that one thing that REALLY GETS ME 
about that minimal detroit shit and really experimental BASIC CHANNEL-y 
traxx music...like mike huckaby's spinning or rob hood's stuff...is that 
when i'm dancing to it i feel like a robot; rather, i feel like i 
desperately want to BECOME a mechanical being, i want to BECOME one of 
those kraftwerkian mannequins...

what does that mean?

btw for some reason it doesn't work with house or jungle (well, except 
dark jungle). 

see ya!!  hugs and kisses!! *:)    <--(typical raver-talk)
++
e d

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Well, I just got home and i figure since i have to work in a couple of 
hours I might as well entertain myself somehow in the meantime; so i 
figured i would give a two bit lowdown on what happened last night in 
standard form.  

Space: nice empty thing. :P.  i think it used to be a store and is in the 
"for lease" process.  It had plenty of room in the main area and the 
second room was considerably smaller but people seemed to manage 
themselves fine even when it was kinda full (that was the only bad thing 
about it because the bathrooms were located in the back which 
basically meant one should have had learn the vritues of 'holding it' after 
that).  It was heated.  It was very heated.  It was hell in there after a 
while. heh.

Sound and Lights: It sounded great to me and in the second room.  I didnt 
bother to examine the buffet of lights, but it was fine i guess if it 
wasnt for that damn white-light-into-disco-ball blinding me everytime it 
was turned on.  What do i know about this stuff?

DJs: Since i was tres late getting there i missed several of them.  but 
here is some of them:
	
	DRC: what can I say?  It was the first time i have ever seen her 
and she kick my booty.  I still find it kinda funny when I managed to 
pull my mind together to see the wall o' boys standing in front of the 
turntables which was kinda lame imo.  who wants to look up and see 
nothing but people examining her djing (or her in this case ;) ).

	Astroboy: I didnt get much of his set because I ended up spending 
a lot of time hearing damon in the second room.  However, i did notice a 
nice variety of sounds coming form the mail room after i left.  I 
especially like that first song of his that sounded like some kind of 
irish sounding tune (like if the pogues did house). 

	Trevor: Now it is funny how rare it is that i hear this guy even 
though he is in the same town as me (that goes for cosmic as well).  He 
kept the crowd going in a major way.  I liked.  'nuff said.

	Cyberjive: It was kinda intresting to see the dj name strip 
projected on the wall to say his name, yet the music blaring out of the 
speakers was jungle.  This threw me off guard but nevertheless it was 
him.  He later got into his groove.  He apparently was trying a bunch of 
new stuff, in which most worked (not gonna mentioning the spastik mix :) 
).  It was a treat to the end.

	Kell: In the second room was doing his little kell thing.  
Depressed that i had missed jam on it I learned i missed most of his 
set.  But of course it isnt like i will never hear the boy again. :).  
However what breaks i heard was pleasing to the mind.  kudos, even though 
monitors falling on the djs during mixes might be a bother.

	Damon: HOW MANY RECORDS DOES THIS BOY HAVE?!?  He went on for a 
long time never the less and kept his aduience moving.  Yes, I caught the 
interlude of gap band's "you dropped a bomb on me".  Quite amusing even 
though i love this boy to death.

that was all the sets i really was there for (body and mind).  It was 
great to see everyone again and to finally meet Ms. jen dobis and Mr. 
Kiwi and Mr. Jay.  I had a blast.

mint

ps. -=> I am not mentioning the Stephanie fiasco. :P

______________________________________________________________________________


 				"..." - Golgo 13 

______________________________________________________________________________
Scott "plenTpak" Bartlett	Lexington, KY		god, i need sleep


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"If patterns of ones and zeros were 'like' patterns of human lives and 
deaths, if everything about an individual could be represented in a 
computer record by a long string of ones and zeros, then what kind of 
creature would be represented by a long string of lives and deaths?  It 
would have to be up one level at least -- an angel, a minor god, 
something in a UFO.  It would take eight human lives and deaths just to 
form one character in this being's name -- its complete dossier might 
take up a considerable piece of the history of the world.  We are digits 
in God's computer..."

                                                  Thomas Pynchon, "Vineland"

... just a favorite quote from a favorite author :)

-- Chris


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1.  best overall midwest event (include location).any of Vooms parties in
detroit, and one of my parties, Amphoteric...detroit

1a.  event with the best vibe.any of VOOMs. or mine(not to sound
snobbish..its just true to me)

1b.  event with the best music/djs.   too many to name

1c.  flashiest event. the flashiest I have ever been to are in SF 





2.  favorite dj overall.

2a.  favorite midwest dj.

2b.  favorite chicago dj.

2c.  favorite detroit dj.

2d.  favorite non-midwest dj.

3.  favorite live act from the midwest.



4.  up-and-coming dj of the year.       Jon Santos(detroit,S.F.)



6.  best sound company (which event blew your socks out your ears).     Mike
Foitas

7.  favorite flyer (your top 3).  All of VOOMS!!!!!(respect to Steven&Markie)

8.  favorite purveyors of smart drinks.    get smart of course



10.  favorite track of the year.

11.  most overplayed track of the year.

12.  best promoting crew. Voom,me&jon



14.  worst bust of 95.  detroit busts(1515)



16.  best place to go after a party (if it's specific, include the city).
 detroit ( use to be plakas)






21.  dirtiest party (snot-wise, clothes-wise, etc).  Vooms  stop the pigeon



23.  what is the biggest problem in the scene we're going to tackle in 1996?


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Subject: |NER| Fever's Battle Of the DJ's 1996

Fever's Battle of The DJ's '96

Fever is committed to discovering & furthering new DJ talent.  

On March 14 and 28 Fever will hold the preliminary rounds of our annual
Battle Of the DJ's contest.  The grand prize winner will be flown to San
Diego, CA (all expenses paid) to spin at FutureWorld which will have an
anticipated attendence of over 5,000 people.  Runners-up will receive slots
at upcoming Fevers along with gift certificates to Modern Music and Musicnow.


Entries interested in participating must submit a 60 minute high-bias
cassette tape to be judged on 1.) musical selection and 2.) technical
ability.   24 entries will be chosen from these tapes to participate in the
preliminary rounds.  Entries must be submitted by participants who have never
spun at Fever in the past.  

Tapes should be mailed to: Battle Of the DJ's,  P.O. Box 394,  Greenbelt, MD,
20768-0394.  Tapes MUST BE RECEIVED by February 15, 1996 at 5:00 PM.  NO
EXCEPTIONS WILL BE MADE.  Please include your address and telephone number.
 Tapes will not be returned.  All entries will be notified by phone by
February 29.  Questions can be directed by E-mail only to FEVER95@aol.com.



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Wow... "binary aliens" was a *beautiful* message!  Very profound.

>does this make sense?
>probably not.

You'd be surprised.  It makes very much sense to me... would you believe
I've thought about this before?  A lot, actually...

======= ======= =======

I think Earache's whole post is great, but I'd especially like to throw in
my seven cents about some *excellent* points touched upon in the following
two paragraphs:

>the muzik is the passing of memory and knowledge abstracted to reference so
>that only the subconcious can digest and make sense unless we heighten our
>understanding to it
>
>the vibe that the muzik presents is historic emotion.  if the sound is alien
>communication then it's texture is the visual geography of alien landscape.
>if the sound is alien communication then the vibe that it presents and
>creates and holds over us is historical remembrance of emotions past

My highest compliments, I have never seen anybody take this nebulous
concept and put it into words in such a digestable fashion.  The way I see
it, we're dealing with 6th-dimensional concepts here.  Er... let me take
another hit and I'll share my personal perceptions on this awesome
subject...

<cough, hack> Okay, before delving into aliens... using the most common
model of dimensional perception that I know of for linear-thinking (Earth)
minds, the 6th dimension is the root of all achetypal symbology in its root
form -- music, language, symbols, and other forms of communication.
(That's one reason you can find almost unbelievable similarities in the
forms and meanings of symbols of cultures existing on opposite sides of the
planet -- they are ultimately tapping into the same 6th-dimensional source
for their symbols.)  Many of the great musical prodigies of this planet
have been able to tap directly into the 6th dimension and work with this
archetypal energy, and they usually do so according to the society and
technology and spirituality, etc.  (Mozart, for instance, tapped into that
dimension and brought it through for his dark, troubled time period in
classical forms easy for the population to digest, whereas modern day
electronic musicians take all this technology and bring sounds through in
very creative forms appropriate to this evolving-consciousness time period
and this listening audience.  It's my belief that techno-type music is even
reaching well into the "future" and bringing through sounds.  And, the
archetypal similarities between techno and a lot of ancient trance and
shamanic music are definitely there... all from the same primal source,
expressed differently, but experienced just the same universally as we
dance dance dance...)  This 6D stuff is, of course, up for debate depending
on the dimensional models one uses, it's all a matter of perception... I
know, for instance, some non-Earthlings use some different models of
perception, I just picked the most common one on this planet.
[archetype: "the original pattern or model after which a thing is made"]

Next I want to throw into the ring the concept of channeling, of letting
outside energies flow through one's body.  (Via voice, writing, music,
visual art, etc.)  One thing that I have noticed is that when a lot of
musicians really give-way to the music, they go into a sort of trance
state... a ripping solo guitarist like Frank Zappa <insert respectful
moment of silence here>, for instance, would literally look posessed as his
eyes flickered around, his head cocked maniacally back and forth, and he
whipped an unbelievable solo out of... somewhere!  I think the same goes
for some electronic music, and what's even cooler about it in this case is
that the channeling is often more intricate from both a composer and a
listener's perspective, involving combinations of sounds that are developed
and layered over time as opposed to letting a solo fly right on the spot.

In my own experiences as a musician and sound healer, when I create the
trippy electronic music sequences that I like to work with, I know that I
am channeling much of it.  In fact, I usually aim for this, and I even use
crystals to help me attune to outside energies, but that's another story.
Perhaps I'll have a loop going with my sequencer and I'll be soloing along
on my keyboard when suddenly my conscious mind gets pushed aside and
outside energy flows through me.  Literally!  My hands will often start
moving at warp speed, I'll be hitting keys faster and more accurately than
is generally possible for me... and I'm talking like 16th and 32nd-note
runs in the 120+ bpm range, accurately and melodically in one take, the
type of shit one would normally step-record!  No, I'm not egotistically
taking credit for this (we all have the capability of accessing this
state!), I find this astonishing, I'm totally in a trance state, I'm not
really aware of what I'm playing while I'm playing it, my mind is somewhere
else, all I see are my hands flying around on the keyboard.  But when I
play back the sequence, I am amazed at the intricacies and the musical
patterns that came out of me without my consciously knowing it... things I
don't have the technical knowledge to do on the spot.

Perhaps for me it's more extreme 'cuz I study all this consciousness stuff,
but I think this intuitive, "tuned-in", higher-energy state is accessed
through most artists in their creative endeavors, to some degree.  For
music, it's not just through soloing, either... sometimes it's quite
different, especially for the electronic musician.  The 4, 8, 16, etc. bars
that are looped and the choice of instruments and effects, etc. are equally
as important (especially to techno) and can also come through in a trance
state, or perhaps a more intuitive state.  Instead of a single burst of
creativity, one might sit down and over the course of a very inspired hour
come up with a thickly layered sequence and if one is in that intuitive
state while doing this, then I would consider that a form of channeling,
too.

I am studying the shamanic, healing, unifying, and spiritual dimensions of
sound (hence my attraction to rave), and I find that a lot of the music and
soundscapes I end up creating induce trance states, cause rapid eye
movements, synchronize brain-waves, etc... but these things I come up with
come *through* my body from some higher source, not from my conscious mind!
In any case, there's just so much going on with music and sound, so much
that we are just learning (remembering!) to perceive, *especially* with
techno music and its fine control over frequencies, that there's no doubt
in my mind or my very essence that there is much more going on with music
than we know, especially when so many musicians are able to access such
intuitive, trancey states.

Therefore it seems completely logical to me that there would be a higher
communication taking place through music... and yes, perhaps at times
tapping into an "alien" source.  I prefer to think of it as simply tapping
into higher dimensions, because the term "alien" is so broad.  (Although, I
have a particular crystal combination I use for trance-dancing and music
composition that uses moldavite, which is extraterrestrial in nature, and
when I use this combination of stones I honestly do end up tapping into
what most would consider "alien" sources at times, but anyways...)

(Oh, and for the record, for those who were discussing the "mathematical
possibilities" of extraterrestrial life on this list last week -- if one
has had ET contact before (myself included), then one *knows* they exist,
plain and simple.  If anyone doesn't buy their existence, that's fine, too,
I honor your beliefs, but I'm just saying that they are considered fact for
many who have their own personal experiences to go by.  Anyone interested
in the subject of ETs, feel free to drop me a line, I study the shit
intensely... let's just say I have many personal interests in the matter...
besides which, I study ancient Earth history, which to me goes hand-in-hand
with extraterrestrial studies.)  (While we're on the subject, anyone else
besides me and my friend see the thing zig-zagging through the air at
Ravestock 2?  Just for a few seconds, but in broad daylight, tho'...
sheesh!  Although I *am* willing to accept the possibility of a mirage due
to hellish temperatures in this case... hehe...)

Anyhoo... what Earache said about the music being digestable by our
subconscious is perfect.  This is what I mean by saying it's a
6th-dimensional concept.  These sounds can affect us in a totally
non-3rd-dimensional way... they completely bypass our thinking minds and go
straight to a deeper place inside of us.  (That's why music is so
universally UNIFYING!)  Our conscious minds generally don't think among
those higher-dimensional levels right now, but there *is* a part of us that
does.

Much the same way a simple symbol from the ancient Lemurian age could tell
an entire story of a civilization through its archetypal energy, sound can
convey all sorts of messages on many different levels through its
archetypal energy.

For what it's worth, I've heard a lot of techno-type songs that I firmly
believe are extraterrestrial communications, ET as in inspired by ET beings
as opposed to being directly 6th-dimensional archetypal energy (if there's
a difference), but I suppose that ultimately we're all tapping into that
same archetypal energy whether we're from Earth, Sirius B, the Pleiades,
Rigel, or gee, maybe all of the above all at once, <wink wink nudge>.
There are many things that lead me to believe that some of the electronic
songs I've heard are extraterrestrial in nature, but that's too lengthy for
me to get into right here.  No, I'm not sayin' "aliens made da music!!!!",
I'm just implying that many creative musical minds access undoubtedly
higher realms of consciousness when making music, and it is in these higher
realms where multidimensional contact is possible.  So... that opens a
pretty clear pathway.

Prof. Earache said:
>if the sound is alien communication then the vibe that it presents and
>creates and holds over us is historical remembrance of emotions past

I would like to add to that also, remembrance of emotions future!  :)  Of
course, that could just be me... I don't see time as linear, I believe the
present moment we experience comes as much from the future as it does the
past.  (Food for thought.)  :>  I know that when I channel music, it's
quite obvious to me that I'm pulling through some of the sound concepts
that I remember from Atlantis and ancient Egypt and ancient America (don't
mind me, I have a good memory), but sometimes I end up pulling through some
stuff that just doesn't appear to be of this world... and I've definitely
heard stuff from others like that, and I'm including some channeled,
sonic-healing stuff I've heard that was even without any overall tonal or
rhythmic structure, I've *never* heard anything quite like that come out of
Earth... (although there's Yoko Ono...) :D

>has everything made sense to you like in one splendid moment of belief that
>you understood the whole process, you realized what everything was about?
>it falls out of the hand
>but the emotion of that moment lingers
>everything is receive_acknowledge_transmit
>data in data out
--> You are a poet, Earache!  Wow wow wow... I'm savin' this...  =)

>do you suppose if the muzik is alien communication that they can be
>downloading their own goods into our subconcious streams?

This is one of those nice little "coincidences" for me... the whole message
was... this is like 1111% relevant to the "dreams" I had last night that
kept me thrashing in bed all night, only it was visual instead of audio...
I *totally* came to the conclusion that it was almost like downloading, I
can literally remember, in my "dream" it was like looking at a computer
screen and watching a flow of data flow in... like *downloading*, that's
the word I thought of... the shit on the screen didn't make sense to my
eyes, but perhaps it forms a whole "file" that the "computer" would
understand, as when downloading... and then your message shows up in
mw-raves... downloading... so perfect... so timely... thank you... wow,
thank you...  [ahhhhh! wasn't someone just talking about seeing something
like vrave in their dreams, too?  Ahhhhh, what's going on with all this
techno-logy??!!  ;)  Damn, the things we come up with when we drift away
from high-paced flier discussions and do constructive things like sharing
our personal introductions to the "rave scene" so we get to know one
another and broaden our perspectives on the scene, and sharing our deep
thoughts about the sounds and dance and sensations we love... Heh heh heh,
I like this!!]  ;D  Much thanx to you all for all the sharing comin' thru
mw-raves lately... what's this warm fuzzy feeling mw-raves has been leaving
me with lately??  =)

          * "I'm pickin' up good vibrations..." *

---> This post brought to you by my friends 0 and 1.
                     (And naturally influenced by 7)

Well color me PLURple,

     Randy
      a d                     Said Red Red Groovy in
       n                        a very happy song...
      a d                         "I am a soldier of space."
     Randy
                  <singing along> "I am a sto - ner of spaaaaaace..."  ;>

osiris7@cris.com
======= ======= =======
"Earth is in labor and
 we are the midwives."
======= ======= =======

On now: "Pleiadian Communication" by A Positive Life from Waveform's "Two
A.D." compilation... talk about alien communication through techno music,
this one's a shoe-in... hehehehehe...



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I called all three info lines on the ladybug flier and there is nothing on
there about any make up party or any future parties at all.  I have no clue
if they are still going through with it or not.

Lucy


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So how were the two parties that happened this weekend here in Mpls?
I would have gone, but got caught up trying to find the Medallion for the 
Winter Carnival :-)

------------------------
   Xavier Melodonfria
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   VRave: Melodonfria
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I think the parties here in Minneapolis have been lame since January 
started.  The vibe is tired, the music is old and played out, and the 
infrastructure is mediocre at best.  
	Hopefully they will be getting better soon.
	Elevation, although it had a nice flyer, was a tired party.  
There was a keg and at three it was down from 300 to about 150 ppl.
	Liberation was in a charcoal factory.  Although it was a nice 
space and the music was much better than ELEVATION, the vibe was really 
tired and most people had left by 4.  

Oh well, guess I'll have to go to Chicago.


Dust-e


On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Jason S Shapiro wrote:

> So how were the two parties that happened this weekend here in Mpls?
> I would have gone, but got caught up trying to find the Medallion for the 
> Winter Carnival :-)
> 

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From: italia@iglou.com (Jennifer Palmer)
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okay the party itself actually rocked!
I can't believe it there were little 
things that happened that really no one
had control over.... like triping circuts
and stuff .....and a fellow mw-raver
got arrested but Iwon't say who do to
possesion of drugs... life goes on be 
smart....

first off it only went til 4:30 or so
the space was a small movie theatre and
well the live act which was AcidToy from
cincinnati rocked the shit!!! oh my god.
I thought the room would explode =]
then there was walter (subgenius) from
cincinnati who was the one dealing with
all the circuts blowing and stuff he barely 
got to play five songs at one time... but
once everything got underway and there were
no problems he played some great great 
acid house that had the room going, hell I
was suprised I usually don't like walter.
then Claude *make everybody move* young 
came on can you say hot sweaty rejuvianting
experiance...*shiver* he kicked mine and
everyone elses ass.... over all it was good
but reallywierd as usually cincinnati parties
are =/ can we ever do anything about that
I have no idea but I hope so.

jen

Jennifer Palmer
*Italia* 
italia@iglou.com


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we drove down from Chicago in the incredible wind.  my car was like a 
kite on the freeway and my knuckles were white holding the car 
between the lines the whole way there.  but i was glad i did.

i was glad to get inside because it was really, really cold in the
full parkinglot and it was cosy in the space at about eleven twenty
five.

i paid my ten bux and handed over my can of food.  i appreciate that 
and i hope someone says a little prayer for me as they sip warm cream 
of chicken soup in the near future.  i noticed that i was not alone 
in doing this and i'm glad. this is the second party i've been to in 
as many weeks with the same price/can discount (equal, by dynamic 
groove being the other).

i was searched by someone who knew what was up.  the security was 
friendly and competent.  yay :)  i hate getting felt up by big bald 
guys or cops.  oh, and i was allowed to walk right in the door with a 
big full bottle of water.  that was cool too.  i brought it not 
knowing if i would be allowed to bring it in or not.

i wandered toward the nearest speaker cluster where a cluster of 
dataflash were firing in my face.  the dj was not there so i wandered 
away...towards a discoball and some trackspot looking lights, all in 
white.  wow, this sound is massive.  sound-o-mighty has really built 
up thier system since i heard it last (although some high end eq tweaking 
could've saved some ear damage).  nice, kickin' bass.

i spotted who i later deduced to be devil girl standing there 
mixing...but since she did not look *anything* like kell, i wondered 
what was up and since he was supposed to go on then, why he wasn't 
playing records?  then....i spotted it....the second room.....the 
ghetto deluxe house party run amuck by mulatto children of the 
funk...what had formerly been the office/recieving area of a 
supermarket had been mysteriously transformed into a bumpin, funkin, 
windows-rolled-down-to-let-it-all-hang-out pahhhtay! so i gravitated 
toward the entryway.  as i walked in i noticed why it seemed so 
wonderful in there...KELL was standing in between two model 1200-Mk2 
alien communication terminals!   oh my!  oh my!! and look!  there!  
on the table in front of him...a whole stack of pixy stix!! FREE 
DRUGS!!!  (you obviously have not seen what happens to an already 
spastic kid like me when fed *pure* simple sugars.  fuck meth, gimmie the stix).  
the whole room was throbbing, heads were 
bobbing and i thought it was about time.  i snuck into a corner and 
observed.  all those kids who stand right in front of the tables 
table were actually moving and all those kids who stand behind those 
kids who stand in front of the tables table were going NUTS.  the 
sound in that room looked like it was the leftovers and someone's 
home system but it sounded good from where i stood.  the deejay's 
monitors were quite lacking on the high end and even though it is the 
second room, that still sucks.  but it seems that all the deejays 
adapted and rose to occasion.

then after kell played i went to check out the main room where DRC 
was causing many a boy raver to wonder why *all* dj's don't look like 
that.  oh yah, she was playing records too...and doing a damn fine 
job.  she played for a long long time but the crowd seemed to enjoy 
the whole thing.

then this damon kid from cincinnatti was doing the mix thing in the 
second room and i went back in there because, well, that was where 
it was at for me.  and dAMN!  this boy is fun!  at times it seemed 
like he was just another kid gathered around a six-food cafeteria 
table gawking at the sounds produced thereon.  he was smiling and hanging out and 
hi-fivin and letting anyone read labels and shit the whole time...he 
seemed to be really comfortable and enjoying himself which made me 
have a lot of fun.  he played for a long time during which i attended 
a netmeet (two a.m. LOCAL TIME for future refrence)  and kell gave me 
MORE pixy stix.  egad.  and i saw a whole posse of mw-geeks@ and met 
several new ones.  :)  we were missing becky and allroy but you know 
how it goes.

there was free water, and bathrooms..but the ladies version ran outta 
TP...an oversight, don't let it happen again.

the visuals were cool, but they seemed misplaced being so far away 
from the mainstage...oh well.

but since this is mw-raves i do need to bitch about one thing at 
least....NO2.  balloons are great things at parties for eight year 
olds, but please, if i wanted to see people fish and go 'bouncing 
round the room' i'd, like, go on tour, man.

the drive home was hell.  the wind had added an element of snow and 
patches of ice to the freeway...not fun at six o'clock in the morning 
when i'm soo tired.  but oh well, it was my own damn fault.

okay....see you next weekend.

--star*

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> [The following is a press release from the Washington Office on Latin 
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> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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> 
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> Contact: Coletta Youngers
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> 
> Human Rights Group Questions Drug-Czar Choice in the Absence of Policy Change
> 
> The Washington Office on Latin America released the following statement 
> concerning President Clinton's nomination of Army General Barry R. 
> McCaffrey as the nation's "Drug Czar."  As Commander in Chief of the 
> United States Southern Command, General McCaffrey has overseen the U.S. 
> military's antinarcotics operations in Latin America.
> 
> "The nomination of General McCaffrey as the nation's 'Drug Czar' may take 
> the steam out of recent Republican attacks on President Clinton for 
> abandoning the war on drugs, but will not by itself solve the problem of 
> drug abuse and drug-related violence.  'General McCaffrey has an 
> impressive record of service to this country,' said George R. Vickers, 
> Executive Director of the Washington Office on Latin America.  'But what 
> is needed is a fundamental shift in U.S. anti-narcotics policies, away 
> from failed military strategies that have had little impact on the supply 
> of illicit drugs coming into the United States.'
> 
> "The nomination of a military officer to lead U.S. anti-narcotics efforts 
> is particularly troubling at a time when the involvement of Latin 
> American militaries in anti-drug campaigns has led to widespread 
> corruption and abuse of human rights.  Civilian governments in the Andean 
> region are attempting to keep restive militaries in the barracks.  
> 'Regardless of his personal qualities, McCaffrey's nomination symbolizes 
> the misguided militarization of U.S. drug policy,' notes WOLA Senior 
> Associate Colleta Younger, 'and suggests a continued erosion of civilian 
> control over law enforcement efforts in this field.'"
> 
> The "Drug Czar" heads the Office of National Drug Control Policy, which 
> coordinates anti-drug efforts.  His nomination must be confirmed by the 
> United States Senate.
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Forwarded message:
> From: lollipop@red-branch.MIT.EDU
> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:33:28 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Why the book has ended....
> 
>  =20
> 
>   Many of you have asked my why I have decided to get out of the rave=20
> scene....  After contemplating telling my story, here it is.... I hope it=
> =20
> better explains who I am and why it is time for me to move on.
>   It is long. =20
> 
>   Two and a half years ago, I discovered raves, thanks to this guy I was=20
> dating.  He also turned me on to drugs.  The first drug I tried was=20
> nexxus (2cb).  it was a mild hallucinogen/euphoric drug.  It made me see=20
> things a little differently, but i didn't feel any different.  I took it=20
> at the first rave i went to.  I didn't really have a good time.  I left=20
> early.  Wondering why everyone was so excited about raves.
>     A few weeks later, I did LSD for the first time.  This was to be the=20
> first of many changes in my life.  It opened my eyes to who I was and=20
> what was going on in the world around me.  i felt this amazing awareness=20
> for the first time in my lfe.  Like all the sudden, someone had opened=20
> all these doors I had never had access to before.
>     About a month after the first rave, I was in San Francisco for a=20
> japanimation convention with my boyfriend.  Hanging out on=20
> Haight/Ashbury, we ran into a friend from Albuquerque.  he told us about=20
> a rave that night and asked us if we wanted to go.  There wa snothing=20
> else to do, so I said yes.  This was to be the second big change in my=20
> life.  We drove for about an hour outside San Francisco.  In the middle=20
> of this huge valley, surrounded by windmills, we came upon an old dirt=20
> racing track.  There wre already tons of people there and music blaring.=20
> From=20teh parking lot, we could see lasers drawing pictures on the side of=
> =20
> this big hill.  We paid our way, took our drugs, and ventured inside.  It=
> =20
> was one of the most amazing experiences of my life.  There were people=20
> everywhere.  People dancing, sitting and talking, massage tables on the=20
> outskirts, and everywhere I sensed a great feeling of belonging.  i now=20
> understood the power behind a rave.  I also understood why it attracted=20
> the people it did.
>   It was a while before i went to another rave.  I hung out with friends,=
> =20
> doing an occassional hit of LSD, but for the most part, I discovered=20
> myself and those around me.   i broke up with the boyfriend and focused=20
> on my life.  I was in the middle of a lengthy, difficult divorce from a=20
> marriage that had destroyed my self-esteem and feelign of self-worth. =20
> Near the end of October, some friends talked me into going to Denver with=
> =20
> them for a rave.  Before the rave, I was haging out with a friend who was=
> =20
> dealing Ecstasy (MDMA).  He gave me a book to read about it and told me=20
> that if I decided I wanted to try some, he would give it to me.  I read=20
> how it was used to help people pull out of deep depressions and for=20
> marriage counseling.  That night, I did it at the rave.  I went to the=20
> bathrom, looked in the mirror, and for the first time in my life, I liked=
> =20
> what i saw.  Instead of seeing what i hated about myself, I saw a person=20
> I liked.  I saw some minor flaws, but I also saw many things that I=20
> thought were good.
>    Things changed greatly after taht, I started meeting many new people=20
> and every once in a while, went to a rave.  In the course of six months,=20
> I lost 50 pounds, my self esteem sky-rocketed, and I became a much=20
> happier person.  i also developed a pretty hardcore drug problem.  i=20
> smoked pot occassionally, did LSD a couple of times a week, and did=20
> Ecstasy 2-3 times a week.  I started ignoring my bills, spending my money=
> =20
> on raves.. During this period, my car was reossesed, I got further into=20
> debt, I went to work still messed up on drugs from raves, my life was=20
> getting out of hand.  I watched as my friends got hooked on Crystal Meth=20
> and started turning into evil people.  In january of that year, I=20
> travelled to St. Louis, MO, I knew eventually, i had to get to the=20
> midwest.  Towards the end of April, I got realy sick with pneumonia.
> My immune system was dead from all the drugs I had been doing.  Life was=20
> getting away from me.  I freaked out and decided it was time to leave=20
> home, get away from the drugs.
>   the middle of june, i trekked out to Ann Arbor MI.  Hoping to get away=20
> from the drugs and get my life back on track.  I met another group of=20
> people in Ann ARbor that were al into the rave/drug scene., and once=20
> again, the cycle began.  I made it in Ann Arbor for a month, before I=20
> moved to Lafayette, I.  I move in with a friend off the computer. =20
> Everything was mellow for a while.  We went to raves, I started meeting=20
> some really great people.  It took a few months for the drugs to take=20
> over again.  I had a good job at a hospital.  I worked 4 nights a week,=20
> 3-day weekend every other weekend.  that gave me tons of time to travelto=
> =20
> raves.  Plus it gave me time to recupperate from the drugs before I=20
> returned to work.  then another tragedy struck.  After I went home for=20
> christmas, I came back in early January of 1995 to discover I was=20
> pregnant, it was a final blow.  I basically had a nervous breakdown.  I=20
> went to a doctor and got put on anti-depressants.  I started seeing a=20
> psychologist, and I scheduled the appointment for the abortion.  it was a=
> =20
> pretty traumatic experience, but friends helped me through.  But i knew,=20
> with all the drugs I had done, especially when i didn't know i was=20
> pregnant, the baby was in extreme danger and per a doctor i spoke to, it=20
> had a 10% chance of being normal.  I couldn't keep it no matter what.  It=
> =20
> wasn't fair to the unborn baby to pay for my mistakes.
>     Things picked up after that, i basically quit drugs.  I was doing=20
> realy well.  Then I started doing them again.  i had been warned.  I did=20
> not heed.  I ended up smoking pot every day, doing LSD a couple of times=20
> a week, and Ecstasy once a week.  I was hooked again.  Things started=20
> land-sliding again.  I kept getting sick because my immune system was=20
> shot, and eventually, with all the absences, i lost my job.  I took the=20
> first out that came to me an disappeared to sell magazines across the=20
> U>S.  it turned out to be a scam and I ended up outside Boston and stayed=
> =20
> in Boston.  Things went well for a while here too.  I started getting my=20
> life back togetehr.  I found a great place to live and a great job.  I=20
> started meeting people.  Then i found the drug connections once again.  I=
> =20
> ended up in the hospital in September with epiglotitis, theorized to have=
> =20
> been brought on by smoking pot form a pipe without a screen.  I spent 3=20
> days in the intensive care unit.  I could have died.  Yet, this was not=20
> enough to scare me.  And then, another tragedy struck. I became pregnant=20
> again.  This time was even more traumatic.  I told no one.  I got very=20
> sick.  I planned the abortion, but before i could have it done, i=20
> miscarried.  I woke up one morning in a small pool of blood.  On one but=20
> the father knew and he had disappeared.  i had no one to turn to.  so, I=20
> went alone.  I was an emotional basketcase.  I started back up on the=20
> anti-depressants, but my mind was a mess.  I got very sick the next=20
> weekend from the mental and physical strain.   I ended up missing a lot=20
> more work.  I had a job I really liked, it upset me to miss so much work.
>    The beginning of December, something happened, i have no idea what=20
> made me do it, or even if I had a motive.  but, i started taking money=20
> from work.  I figured out a way to take cash and no one would notice, or=20
> so I thought.  I took about $600.  I bought some new clothes, payed rent=20
> and stuff, but mostly, I started going to raves almost every weekend and=20
> doing more drugs.  I had to find a way to escape the pain i was feeling. =
> =20
> I knew deep inside, that drugs were not the way to do it, but i needed=20
> something.  I had no one to turn to and no where to go.  I couldn't=20
> involve my family.  I felt I"d hurt them enough.  December 30th, work=20
> figured out what was going on.  I got arrested and let out on bond.  New=20
> year's eve, i sat at home.  I wouldn't go to a rave or a party that=20
> night.  I wanted to be as far away from drugs and raves as possible.  I=20
> spent many days thinking.  On new year's day, I met a man.  Probably one=20
> of the most amazing people I've ever met.  I told him about what i had=20
> done at work, about being arrested, and he accepted me for who I was.  He=
> =20
> had nothing to do with the rave scene.  In fact, he resembled a part of=20
> my life I had lived before i discoverd the rave/drug scene.  I finally=20
> realized, it was time to end this chapter of my life.  To move on, take=20
> what i had experienced from the drugs and raves and use them to better my=
> =20
> life.  I realized for the first time, that I couldn't make a difference. =
> =20
> That everyone has to ilve through this and figure out for their own=20
> whether or not it is for them.  I have lived and I have learned, and=20
> luckily, I have discovered I needed out, before it was too late.
>   In the 2 1/2 years I've been going to raves, I have met many many=20
> wonderful people that will be friends for a very long time.  I have=20
> discovered many wonderful and bad things about myself.  I have matured=20
> and grown into the person I am now and the person i want to be for the=20
> rest of my life.  I have learned many important lessons.  I have seen=20
> many friends become sick, become addicted to drugs.  I've watched their=20
> lives fall apart, much as mine did.  I have seen people die.
>   The rave drug/scene has made me who I am.  And despite all the bad, I=20
> don't regret ay of it.  LIfe goes on.  And for the first time in the past=
> =20
> 2 1/2 years, I believe that.  I see it happening.  I'm excited to be=20
> alive and know that i made it through this.
> 
>    jen (lollipop)
> 
>    =20
> 

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> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:07:37 -0500 (EST)
> From: danFREELove <freelove@access.digex.net>
> Subject: NR: Tickets & Flyers
> 
> Okay, the tickets and flyers are now available from happy smiling faces 
> all over the place.
> 
> Tickets are available in three ways:  from local netters, via mail (that's
> me) or at the door.  Ticket price is $8 through all outlets.  If you can
> prepurchase your tickets please do, it helps to keep the overall stress
> levels down and make sure that everything we need for the party is made
> available. 
> 
> So, here are the local net raver ticket holders from North to South:
> 
> Boston:				Neith Preston (ncp on vrave)
> preston@artemis.simmons.edu     **
> 
> Syracuse/Upstate NY:		Phat-O (phato on vrave)
> ploot@mailbox.syr.edu           315-475-8239 x 910 *
> 
> Upstate NY/Roving:		SarahS (sarahs on vrave)
> sarahs@buffnet.net              **
> 
> New York City:			John Speakman (john on vrave)
> SPEAKMAN@BIOST.MSKCC.ORG        **
> 
> Pittsburgh:			Christina Battaglia (crisbee on vrave)
> cjbst35+@pitt.edu               **
> 
> Philadelphia:			Nigel Richards/611 Records (rarely on vrave)
> nigel611@NETAXS.COM             215-413-9100
> 
> Baltimore/Roving:		Spike (spike on vrave)
> rcolongo@goucher.edu            **
> 
> DC/Baltimore:  			Dan Philpott/danFREELove (freelove on vrave)
> freelove@access.digex.net       301-441-9328
> 
> Richmond:			Jason/Method 1 (method1 on vrave)
> LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu       804-768-2000 *
> 
> North Carolina:			Rob Rarousse (rarousse on vrave)
> rarousse@EOS.NCSU.EDU           **
> 
> Atlanta:			Mike Hargrove (polmah on vrave)
> polmahx@gsusgi2.Gsu.EDU         770-477-7698
> 
> * Info line, please leave a message with your phone number so they can 
> get back to you.
> 
> ** Email these folks to get further information on when & where to meet 
> up to purchase.
> 
> To order by mail:
> 
> Ticket cost is $8, please send a check or money order payable to Daniel 
> Philpott to:
> 
> Dan Philpott
> 8015 Mandan Rd. #102
> Greenbelt, MD  20770
> 
> And, of course, for tickets at the door just show up.  :)  I hope to have 
> $2 bills for change for as long as I can (banks don't often have alot of 
> them, but I am going to get some).
> 
> Flyers are available by emailing me, giving me your address and telling me
> you want some.  I have a good number left in reserve.  Remember that these
> are not for broad band handing out, but feel free to invite people you
> really would want to see there. 
> 
> Dan
> 
> ,._-_  < \, \\/\  _-_        __ freelove@access.digex.net ~~~~~---____Peace
>  ||    /-|| || | || \\  _+--=         __                              Love
>  ||   (( || || | ||/   _             _            ~~       =          Unity
>  \\,   \/\\ \\/  \\,/  ~~~~~          |            danFREELove        Respect
> 
> 

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Where next weekend? Do you mean "home"?
J.P.
On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, star wrote:

> 
> we drove down from Chicago in the incredible wind.  my car was like a 
> kite on the freeway and my knuckles were white holding the car 
> between the lines the whole way there.  but i was glad i did.
> 
> i was glad to get inside because it was really, really cold in the
> full parkinglot and it was cosy in the space at about eleven twenty
> five.
> 
> i paid my ten bux and handed over my can of food.  i appreciate that 
> and i hope someone says a little prayer for me as they sip warm cream 
> of chicken soup in the near future.  i noticed that i was not alone 
> in doing this and i'm glad. this is the second party i've been to in 
> as many weeks with the same price/can discount (equal, by dynamic 
> groove being the other).
> 
> i was searched by someone who knew what was up.  the security was 
> friendly and competent.  yay :)  i hate getting felt up by big bald 
> guys or cops.  oh, and i was allowed to walk right in the door with a 
> big full bottle of water.  that was cool too.  i brought it not 
> knowing if i would be allowed to bring it in or not.
> 
> i wandered toward the nearest speaker cluster where a cluster of 
> dataflash were firing in my face.  the dj was not there so i wandered 
> away...towards a discoball and some trackspot looking lights, all in 
> white.  wow, this sound is massive.  sound-o-mighty has really built 
> up thier system since i heard it last (although some high end eq tweaking 
> could've saved some ear damage).  nice, kickin' bass.
> 
> i spotted who i later deduced to be devil girl standing there 
> mixing...but since she did not look *anything* like kell, i wondered 
> what was up and since he was supposed to go on then, why he wasn't 
> playing records?  then....i spotted it....the second room.....the 
> ghetto deluxe house party run amuck by mulatto children of the 
> funk...what had formerly been the office/recieving area of a 
> supermarket had been mysteriously transformed into a bumpin, funkin, 
> windows-rolled-down-to-let-it-all-hang-out pahhhtay! so i gravitated 
> toward the entryway.  as i walked in i noticed why it seemed so 
> wonderful in there...KELL was standing in between two model 1200-Mk2 
> alien communication terminals!   oh my!  oh my!! and look!  there!  
> on the table in front of him...a whole stack of pixy stix!! FREE 
> DRUGS!!!  (you obviously have not seen what happens to an already 
> spastic kid like me when fed *pure* simple sugars.  fuck meth, gimmie the stix).  
> the whole room was throbbing, heads were 
> bobbing and i thought it was about time.  i snuck into a corner and 
> observed.  all those kids who stand right in front of the tables 
> table were actually moving and all those kids who stand behind those 
> kids who stand in front of the tables table were going NUTS.  the 
> sound in that room looked like it was the leftovers and someone's 
> home system but it sounded good from where i stood.  the deejay's 
> monitors were quite lacking on the high end and even though it is the 
> second room, that still sucks.  but it seems that all the deejays 
> adapted and rose to occasion.
> 
> then after kell played i went to check out the main room where DRC 
> was causing many a boy raver to wonder why *all* dj's don't look like 
> that.  oh yah, she was playing records too...and doing a damn fine 
> job.  she played for a long long time but the crowd seemed to enjoy 
> the whole thing.
> 
> then this damon kid from cincinnatti was doing the mix thing in the 
> second room and i went back in there because, well, that was where 
> it was at for me.  and dAMN!  this boy is fun!  at times it seemed 
> like he was just another kid gathered around a six-food cafeteria 
> table gawking at the sounds produced thereon.  he was smiling and hanging out and 
> hi-fivin and letting anyone read labels and shit the whole time...he 
> seemed to be really comfortable and enjoying himself which made me 
> have a lot of fun.  he played for a long time during which i attended 
> a netmeet (two a.m. LOCAL TIME for future refrence)  and kell gave me 
> MORE pixy stix.  egad.  and i saw a whole posse of mw-geeks@ and met 
> several new ones.  :)  we were missing becky and allroy but you know 
> how it goes.
> 
> there was free water, and bathrooms..but the ladies version ran outta 
> TP...an oversight, don't let it happen again.
> 
> the visuals were cool, but they seemed misplaced being so far away 
> from the mainstage...oh well.
> 
> but since this is mw-raves i do need to bitch about one thing at 
> least....NO2.  balloons are great things at parties for eight year 
> olds, but please, if i wanted to see people fish and go 'bouncing 
> round the room' i'd, like, go on tour, man.
> 
> the drive home was hell.  the wind had added an element of snow and 
> patches of ice to the freeway...not fun at six o'clock in the morning 
> when i'm soo tired.  but oh well, it was my own damn fault.
> 
> okay....see you next weekend.
> 
> --star*
> 
> **********************************************************
> star@interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~star
> **********************************************************
> PLRM.chicago                                   [Top Secret]
> 
> 
> 

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Oh-kee-doh-kee, folks, in my own mind I've been trying to figure out 
a way in which I, too, can contribute more to the scene than w/ money 
and bitching....although those are much beloved contributions...

In London and other parts of England, there is a little organization 
called LSD (I'm not sure what it stands for, but it's very good 
indeed) that sets up little tables at raves and ravey-clubs to 
distribute information about drugs.

NOT  Just Say No-era garbage 
about how evil drugs are for you, but objective and thorough 
information on how to use drugs w/ a little more knowledge and care. 
The project assumes you are going to do drugs, but attempts to make 
your choice a little more informed.
A lot of this sort of info is available through Hyperreal and other 
archives, but unfortunately not all ravers are dedicated netheads or 
researchers.

What's great about the LSD Project in the UK is that they are 
financially sponsored by the government and operated by volunteers 
whose experiences with drugs have led them to believe that this sort 
of operation would be a very great thing to the scene to prevent the 
deaths/dehydrations/self-destruction of ravers, a problem that 
plagues rave scenes globally. The LSD project is also supported by 
the scene itself, so that volunteers are welcome into events by the 
promoters and the patrons. 

What the volunteers do is hand out rave-flyer-esque informational 
pamphlet thingies on neat stuff like:
-What vitamins and minerals might help prevent brain/body damage 
while rolling.
-How to tell real drugs from phonies
-Common misconceptions about drugs (e.g., the strychnine myth)
-Specific drug names and authenticity (i.e., how many mg. of MDMA is 
actually present in a <insert name of favorite roll> vs. amount of 
other drugs present in same said roll)
-How drugs work and what they really do to your body....in layman's 
terms, of course, since we're not all biochemists...

In other words, what if at a rave there was a bunch of ppl who handed 
out info on everything you ever wanted to know about drugs, but you 
were too sheepish to ask, no one knew the answer, or you didn't even know 
to ask? Would that be cool? Would it benefit the scene? Would it 
possibly prevent the death of one raver? Would you support it? Would 
you volunteer your time and experience?

This is a project that I've had rolling around in my mind for awhile, 
but then again, maybe there's already something like it in existence. 
If so, let me know. If not, then it's about time. 

Responses and critiques are open to debate. Ideas and suggestions are 
very welcome. And volunteers and any other contributing persons are 
held in highest esteem. Let me know what you think, ppl. 

Thanks for reading this far!
PLUR,
blender

runkle@centre.edu

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On  Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:55:31 italia@iglou.com (Jennifer Palmer) wrote:

>okay the party itself actually rocked!
>I can't believe it there were little
>things that happened that really no one
>had control over.... like triping circuts
>and stuff .....and a fellow mw-raver
>got arrested but Iwon't say who do to
>possesion of drugs... life goes on be
>smart....
>
>first off it only went til 4:30 or so
>the space was a small movie theatre and
>well the live act which was AcidToy from
>cincinnati rocked the shit!!! oh my god.
>I thought the room would explode =]
>then there was walter (subgenius) from
>cincinnati who was the one dealing with
>all the circuts blowing and stuff he barely
>got to play five songs at one time... but
>once everything got underway and there were
>no problems he played some great great
>acid house that had the room going, hell I
>was suprised I usually don't like walter.
>then Claude *make everybody move* young
>came on can you say hot sweaty rejuvianting
>experiance...*shiver* he kicked mine and
>everyone elses ass.... over all it was good
>but reallywierd as usually cincinnati parties
>are =/ can we ever do anything about that
>I have no idea but I hope so.
>
>jen
>
>Jennifer Palmer
>*Italia*
>italia@iglou.com

*Adventures in Raving*

        Saturday turned out to be more of an adventure than I thought it
would. The previous week, the party "Kung Fu Madness" was on then off and
then back on again. Nevertheless, I didn't have any money so I didn't think
I was going anywhere. My friends were itchin' to do something so they
called me up and agreed to pay my way and gas. Of course I couldn't turn
this down(Thanks Becky, Susan, & the rest of da bunch).

          So thus we packed up the ol' VWFox past capacity and set a course
for Cincy. After battling the high winds on I-71, confronting thugs at a
random BP who knew nothing about 50-West (thank god I didn't get shot!),
calling the info line numerous times, we found ourselves at the Parkland
Theatre.

          At first we totally thought we were at the wrong place. We just
assumed it would have been an abandoned looking building but then we saw
"Balto  G" &  "Sudden Death R" flashng on the marquee and thought where the
hell were we going to dance! Country music was blaring from somewhere, on
further inspection we found it to be coming from the Parkland Grille which
was a local dive connected to the theatre. Relief. Then the sight of big
pants assured us this was the spot.

            I had never been to a Cincy party so when you initially enter a
foreign place, well you yourself seem foreign. But we were greeted at door
with flyers and there was a box of free fortune cookies. We walked into the
actual movie theatre and everybody was sitting in the seats and it seemed
really weird for some reason. Somebody finally shed some light on the
situation and told me that a movie had just let out and they were behind in
set-up. Our group finally settled in a row of seats. Unfortunately, this
happed to be the row of seats  immediately in back of the last row of seats
they took out of the middle for dancing - the row in front of us that they
were taking out unexpectingly fell back on us and this pissed me off...

        At this time, I was feeling like I should have never come but then
the music started...a live performance by some kidz from Miami U. got
things started right...But when it was time for the DJs to spin the sound
system and shit started to fuck up. There were several fuses blown. When
they finally got that fixed the bass went out! I like to send out props to
all the DJs who tried their best to keep the vibe going through the whole
fucked up scenario, especially Claude Young who ripped it up & kept the
crowd moving with looked like to be music coming out of only one speaker.
(I saw him at the house party Azure a couple weeks ago in Columbus and he
brought the house down under similar circumstances).

        An announcement was made early that there were several undercovers
and it was stupid to do drugs out in view of everyone. As stated in the
above message, a few people got arrested and I guess this led to the
eventual shutdown around 4:30AM. By then I was really into it and we craved
afterhours. We were then invited to this house party in Clifton which
turned out to be one of the best house parties I have been to. The vibe was
sooooo tight! Literally and socially! There had to be like 100 people
cramped into this nice modern styled apt. (cool picture on the wall -
plastikman, yes!)

        All in all I had a great time and met great people. I was impressed
with everybody being friendly and also it was something to watch all of the
kidz get out and dance as soon as the first beat pounded out of the speaker
even with all of the lights on( very unlike what I'm used to-usually people
(including myself) play "follow the leader" and wait until a few people are
out dancing -(my excuse is that I CAN'T dance but the crowd got me up
early)).

        Peace to all the kool kidz I met -Brian, Luke(happy hardcore
extraordinaire) & the rest of the crew who came up to Mekka last night and
chilled with us at Dave & Rick's.

        I HOPE TO SEE EVEYONE THIS FRIDAY AT SNOW*FALL.  *
*                                                    *          *       *
*       *       *       *       *

    *       *        *       *  *      *                        *

(If you need an e-flyer reply to my address).

Hi Jenn & Colin!

Peace,
Des

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"Send your mind on a rhythmic trip..."
                           -"Supernatural" Firefly
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I have been commisioned to do some flyers for a party in late march/early 
april...

They (the promo. co.) want to go all out and have 3 different versions 
(2000 copies each) Two would be 8.5x11 four color flyers, and the other 
would be a die-cut gear with holographic/3d ink of some sort.

Here's my delema... normoaly (in a non-rave situation) i would go right 
ahead with this, but for a party in Minneapolis, do you guys think 6000 
flyers is just a little much? what would you think a reasonable amount 
would be? what about the 3d/holographic ink (cool as hell, but lots o' 
$$$$$)?

I'm gonna talk to them towmorrow, so some quick advise would be super...



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can someone please repost or post a snowfall* e-flier?
thanx, tripkid

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wow, this was a wonderful wonderful party.  finally i go to chicago and the
partee actually goes off.  woohoo!

we leave town around 7:45 our time wif 7 ppl crammed into a little
hatchback wif bucket seats (!)  and prepare for the 6 or 7 hour journey to
chicago.  after an interesting drive we make it to the party around 1 am
chicago time and for the first time ever...make it to the destination in
chicago without 1) getting lost, 2) paying ridiculous tolls that at times
wouldn't be neccessary if we knew where we were going, or B) both.  yay!

the space was the rt 66 roller rink, which i recognized from posts and has
evidently been used quite a bit lately for parties...it was wicked cold and
the wind did not help matters...but we made it inside in about 15 minutes.
it was 20 bux which seemed a bit steep for an almost entirely-chicago
lineup in chicago, but i did not care as lots of my favorite dj's were
there.  we got a copy of the lineup to find out we missed robert armani :(
oh well.  by the time i finished handing out flyers and talking to some
friends i hadn't seen in quite awhile (one not since sept!!) i made my way
up front to see what was going on.  akilah bryant was in the middle of her
live PA.  two songs later she did "eye trip" and it people loved it, myself
included.

after that i remember tim harper and dj sneak absolutely tore the
muthafukkin house down!  wow!  i settled in in front of a speaker for a few
hours of chi-chi-chicago house, and chicago BASS.  :) :) :) :) :) :)
wahoo!  boo willimas also proceeded to tear it up with a rather short set.
he evidently did not perform live either.  hmph.  he looked a bit upset by
this fact too.  *but* he gave me his rekkid woo woo!!  :) :)  i now have a
copy of a boo williams rekkid which boo williams *actually* played at a
party *in* chicago :) :)  color me happy.  :)

after boo's set i walked around for awhile, saw some more friends i hadn't
seen in weeks or months, and made several new friends.  smiles smiles
smiles.  i didn't ever make it to the 2nd room til like the last hour of
the party so i missed paul johnson :( and hyperactive.  oh well.  came back
out to the main room and my friend liz accosted me:  "traxx played 'get it
together' *squeal* !!!"  heh.

the afterhours was at speedball, where zaranzarox was held.  we had a lil
bit of trouble finding the highway again but we got there and it wasn't
opened yet.  it opened like 20 min later and all the kidz filed in from
their cars...someone, who i presume was glenn underground, went on a coupla
minutes later.  nice a.m. house.  :)  every track made ppl smile, big hits
like 'space cowboy' and 'everybody be somebody' etc etc to make ravahs
happy.  :)  if this was in fact GU tho, i think his talents lay more in
producing then in spinning...but i couldn't find anyone who knew for sure
who it was.  the afterhours, despite a lacking sound system, was also
wonderful.  more ppl than a lot of the parties out here get.  heh.  had to
leave after only like an hour tho cuz our ride wanted to go...:(  we did
have over a 9 hour drive home tho cuz we had to first stop in kalamazoo, MI
to drop someone off.  plus we got kinda lost and confused in michigan.
heh.

overall, one of the best parties i've been to...one of my top ten at least.
lots and lots and lots of FUN.  :) :)  home 96 more than made up for the
bad experiences i've had wif parties in chicago previously.  :)

love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

**************************************************************************
"he wonders where it went, and wonders if it meant so much.
 he mourns the hours spent, running from himself.
 he hates the way he felt, and turns it toward himself.
 he's overcome by guilt.  it chases him away.
 purpose, engage, explode, release."
                                                -endpoint
**************************************************************************



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blender ,

this drug info thing is totally fab!

i also sink into the misconception that all ravers
are netheads.  i would love to see more info flyers
related to lifestyles in our scene like drug info.

i am of the mindset that ravers are a very intelligent
group of ppl that would be legitimately interested
in what goes into their bodies...

although, there are those look-at-me-i'm-fucked-up-on
i-don't-know-what types that wouldn't give a damn
but for the majority, this would be a commendable endeavour!

oh yeah, make sure said flyers are on RECYCLED paper..

                                  always,
			Clinton 

				dj Sietch Gabr
				Mahdi on vrave

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>can someone please repost or post a snowfall* e-flier?
>thanx, tripkid

02 FEBRUARY Friday              COLUMBUS, OH            SNOW FALL


from ele mental comes

                                    *
                                    *
                            s n o w *f a l l
                                                           fri 2 feb 96
                                                          columbus ohio



                                    ele mental - project `96
                                    the liberation of sound continues...

                              audio (1):
                              *
live electronic music performance
       TODD SINES (enhanced/.xtrak)
             peace frog, 7th city, accelerate recordings

turntable destruction by detroit's madman
       SHAKE (anthonky shakir)
            frictional, puzzlebox, metroplex

1.5 hr hardtraxx->jungle tag team trip
      HECKLE & JECKLE (PARIS & BILLEEBOB)
             herzenhiz, detroit dark angels, lo-key kru

live electronic music performance
      KINGsIZE (stephen hindman)
             jungle sky, suburban base


ele mental audio sculpting:
fasttraxx
      I/D
minimal monkey
      GLEEK
1.5 hr silky smoov jungle/techno subterfuge (black vs blue)
      TITONTON - metamorphic recordings, dark angels, cinnamon music
      vs.
      MONOCHROME - 21/22 corporation, dark angels, thier(tm) recordings
houseytraxx
      PLA-DOUGH - PLACEBO & DOUGHBOY hard & happy soul wind-down

                            audio (2):
                            *
      KITTY JIVE - bootlickin' wax
      FULL BRAIN - hyperreal music man
      BRIAN GILLESPIE - dark angel/family funktion/blue collar jazzman (detroit)
      GAGA - live ambient/industrial/tribal/toy/snow/popcorn performance
      TIMBIENT - school bus #7/ambient audio sculpting (muncie, indiana)
      Cr02 (charles noel) - 21/22 corp/live ambient extrapolations
      MCJONES - livinindaytees

                            visual (1 & 2):
                            *
      RAMos / (23) / lunar



                            fri 2 feb 96  columbus ohio
                            11pm-7am
                            only $8 (eight!) at the door so *support!*
                            afterhours environment by boris / swann / rage

table of ele ments: 614 470 0929

promotional assistance:
herzenhiz/billeebob wearables (detroit): 313 417 4709
the illuminators (dayton): 513 496 1071

mad props...
technicolor dreamgirls / reinforced / metalheadz / the hole cru / #1 cru

email: <eluna@coil.com>
web: http://www.coil.com/~eluna/what.will.be.html

snow*ball v 2.0 (for those that know)


love, luck, and lollipops,
michael
allroy

**************************************************************************
"he wonders where it went, and wonders if it meant so much.
 he mourns the hours spent, running from himself.
 he hates the way he felt, and turns it toward himself.
 he's overcome by guilt.  it chases him away.
 purpose, engage, explode, release."
                                                -endpoint
**************************************************************************



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i agree, this would be a terrific idea, but what astounds me most is the 
idea that european countries' governments actually SUPPORT the 
distribution of such information while our own is still squabbling over 
whether or not to distribute information on sex in schools (an activity 
which is mainly legal).  just a thought...

Zurn Aquaflush.

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!!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!!
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Forwarded message:
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:05:08 -0500
> From: Stephan Lien <sulivan@cat.net>
> Subject: "What is a Rave" archive :) *update*
> 
> ok the "What is a rave" archive is coming along at a slow but steady pace...
> :)...but now I do have a little more idea of where I want to go with it and
> was hoping some of you out in "net raver"land could help out a little bit
> :). ok really quick I'm just gonna post 4 questions that I would like to
> answer on the archive and would like your answers to any/all of them :)..as
> before it cna be one sentence or 5 pages....anything would be great :)...so
> anyway here's the questions:
> 
> 1.    What is a rave? 
> 2.    Where/How did "raving" start? 
> 3.    What's so great about raving? 
> 4.    Why all the bad press? 
> 
> and as always please reply in private e-mail....thank you :)
> 
> Smile
> 
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in response to Jason Thorpe's flyer question...

6000 flyers too much?!!! HAAAA!!!!!! we printed 20,000 flyers for UFO. 
Flyering six states!!! (yes... flyering is my life..)  6000 is tiny!

just my input!

-pete



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just a reminder that i'd like your survey responses as soon as possible...  so
if you're looking for something to do to procrastinate, or simply to put your
vote to good use, fill that survey out, reminisce about the good ol days back
in 95, and look to the future in 96.

i really want these results to be meaningful and representative of what YOU
(that is, all of you) think.  thank you to those of you who have sent their
answers to me! :)

if you deleted your copy of the survey and would like another, please send me
private email and i will accommodate you :)  stay safe and have fun!

-dave   <:


ps if anyone knows ben/cylert's email address and would like to forward a copy
of the survey to him, please do.


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hello, and sorry for the extreme cross-post, but I've been looking for these
tracks for a while and I am getting a little desperate. :)  I'm looking for:

Indian Vibes - Mathar [Virgin Records]
Acid Folk [Low Speed Mix] - DOS OR DIE Recordings or Deutsch-Englische
Records

If anyone can help me out, or direct this in the right direction, I would be
ever grateful. :)

thanks!
kenji

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> Here's my delema... normoaly (in a non-rave situation) i would go
> right ahead with this, but for a party in Minneapolis, do you guys
> think 6000 flyers is just a little much? what would you think a
> reasonable amount would be? what about the 3d/holographic ink (cool
> as hell, but lots o' $$$$$)?

6000 is a good #.  As for holographic ink ... what da heck is that?  
Are you talking about the foilesse process done by DynoPress or are 
you talking about true holographic imaging, which is going to cost 
a sick amount of cash...?

There are three places in Minneapolis that do holographic imaging and 
printing of holographic images...  the shit is expensive as fuck tho 
and you generally need to do a large quantity for it to be worth 
anything.  However, DynoPress does this foilesse process where they 
use translucent foil to "simulate" a 3D look.  It's very tripped out 
shit and very expensive too.

And if either Marty (Monty, hehehehe) Hilleman, Alex Jarvis, Drone or 
E-Tones are on the flyer than it probably isn't going to be worth a 
XeRoX copy.  IMHO.

Heh.

Death to alex jarvis.

earache
binary_alien
Professor Earache
=================>
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"..if it takes the death of me to make history,
   then the whole world will remember my misery..." - onyx

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> 
>
>
>        To all the Brothers and Sisters of our land,
>
>                I am looking for some equipment to get me started as a Dj.
>Right now,  I don't have shit but I am looking to start within the next few
>months.  I also have a very low budget so I am looking for good, quality
>equipment that will help a young brother out.  As of right now I have a
>mixer and two speakers, but am lacking the most fundamental part of the
>system-turntables.  I am wanting two used Technic 1200's.  This would help
>me get started.  I am also looking for vinyl's of any sort.  I do not have
>any vinyls so I wouldn't do much good without them either.  I am just a
>young fella trying to improve the music here on my campus.  Well if you know
>anyone or have some of this equipment please reply at ssg1@cec.wustl.edu.
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>
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>
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        89.3 wnur-fm evanston, chicago
              streetbeat presents:

                   dan efex

spinning in the studio on friday 2 february 1996
        tune in from 12:30 until 2 am
             hosted by davesiska

    after the strictly jungle show (11 pm)


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Hey, anybody have any info on parties this Saturday Feb 03,  Please Email me
back... Thanks

PEACE>LOVE>UNITY>DANCE

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Hey all,
	I know it is a bit early in the week to ask but... is there any
intrest in a snow fall net meet? 

Colin


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!!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!!
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Forwarded message:
> Date: 30 Jan 96 12:36:35 EST
> From: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com>
> Subject: new!
> 
> 
>   SKYLAB2000 PRESS RELEASE FOR JANUARY 1996
> 
>   First, massive thanks to URB magazine for all the attention they've given us
>   lately. This month we are in publisher/DJ Raymond Roker's top ten charts, 
>   there's plenty of random chit-chat about our recent live performances, and 
>   even a glowing review of the new Skylab2000 single. Much thanks!
> 
>   We are also happy to announce our new web site at
>   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/brainforest
> 
>   For those of you who are unfamiliar with us:
>   
>   Skylab2000 is a trance/acid band based in Los Angeles, CA. In the last few
>   years we have performed everywhere from small underground parties to huge
>   rave events. A series of live performances, such as the "One Roof" party
>   with Frankie Bones, helped Skylab2000 earn great respect in the west coast
>   underground. A chain of massive shows - "Circa '94", at the Shrine
>   Auditorium in Los Angeles and two years of "Playscool" at the San Diego
>   Sports Arena - have introduced many thousands of people to the sound of
>   Skylab2000.
> 
>   Skylab2000's newest single, "Auburn" includes remixes by LA's Gearwhore and
>   superstar DJ Taylor. This has just been released on Fatal Data Records in
>   the US, with a UK release on Music Unites/Brianiak to follow shortly.
>   Recently the band has been in the studio producing and recording new
>   material, and preparing for a European tour starting in April.
> 
>   For info, reviews and press clippings on our dance, techno, ambient and 
>   acid projects, set your browser to the heart of our little universe -
>   
>   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/brainforest
> 
>   For bookings or further information, email Skylab2000 directly at
>   70531.2124@compuserve.com or write me for our voice number. For 
>   record related info, call Fatal Data Records at (714) 452-0354.
> 
>   peace
> 
> 
>   |_e_/~   Dennis Barton
>     )      Brainforest Productions, CA
>   ~\/\     Skylab2000  Paperboy2000  Mushroom Nation
>      /     70531.2124@compuserve.com
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jan 30 14:37:30 1996
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Sorry to anyone who isn't in the area for wasting bandwidth, but if you 
are, I highly recommend going to this event.  A couple of friends of mine 
are throwing this event and djing it.  It is in support of a very cool 
fraternity (and I - no offense - dislike fraternities in general a lot) 
that is one of the nation's only social service fraternity for gay and 
bisexual men.  This event also supports the Ozone House center for 
youth.  If you can make it down there, I'm sure it'll be fun.

**********************************************************************
We are content with the "given" in sensations quest.  We have been 
metamorphosed from a mad body dancing onhillsides to a pair of eyes
staring in the dark.
				Jim Morrison
Adrienne Wisok
aka Zoey
aka Bobaphat

awisok@engin.umich.edu
http://www.wp.com/bobaphat/

Who's goin' Chicken Huntin?????
***********************************************************************

       THE MEN OF DELTA LAMBDA PHI
                 present

        "A BENEFIT DATE AUCTION"

        TUESDAY - JANUARY 30, 1996
            at the NECTARINE
  (516 E.Liberty, Ann Arbor 313-994-5436)
                  for...
   The Ozone House  (Center for Youth)
   and the Delta Lambda Phi Pride Fund
                 with...
   M.C.: Karyn White  DJ's Terry & Tony
  Dinner for dates donated by The Aut Bar
 
       "Be Prepared For Anything..."



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from ele mental comes

S N O W F A L L 		fri 2 feb 96
				columbus, ohie

audio 1: main
Todd Sines - live electronic music performance
Shake - turntable destruction by detroit's madman
Heckle & Jeckle - 1.5 hr hardtraxx -> jungle tag-team trip
KINGsIZE - live electronic music performance

ele mental audio sculpting
I/D - fasttraxx
Gleek - minimal monkey
Titonton vs. Monochrome - 1.5 hr silky smoov jungle/techno subterfuge
Pla-Dough (Placebo & Doughboy) - hard & happy housetraxx wind-down

audio 2: chill
Kitty Jive - smoove bootlickin' wax
Full Brain - hyperreal music man
Brian Gillespie (detroit) - jazzfunkbootyman
McJones - livinindaayteez
Timbient (muncie,indiana) - ambient audio sculpting
CrO2 - ambient extrapolations

visual 1&2
RAMos/(23)/lunar

11pm-7am
only $8 (eight)
at the door so support

info: 614-470-0929
email eluna@coil.com
web http://www.coil.com/~eluna/

**********************************************************************
We are content with the "given" in sensations quest.  We have been 
metamorphosed from a mad body dancing onhillsides to a pair of eyes
staring in the dark.
				Jim Morrison
Adrienne Wisok
aka Zoey
aka Bobaphat

awisok@engin.umich.edu
http://www.wp.com/bobaphat/

Who's goin' Chicken Huntin?????
***********************************************************************


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Hey dan...

I don't know your email address...pleas email it to me!!!!

**********************************************************************
We are content with the "given" in sensations quest.  We have been 
metamorphosed from a mad body dancing onhillsides to a pair of eyes
staring in the dark.
				Jim Morrison
Adrienne Wisok
aka Zoey
aka Bobaphat

awisok@engin.umich.edu
http://www.wp.com/bobaphat/

Who's goin' Chicken Huntin?????
***********************************************************************


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apologies to all the list owners for my server - cleveland freenet
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OK, I get to work today and get my cup of coffee and start looking through
the paper when lo and behold I see a story with the headline "Dance Party
Raid Leads To 6 Arrests."  For those who missed it or do not live in the
area I'll post it without the names to protect our fellow ravah's.

"DANCE PARTY RAID LEADS TO 6 ARRESTS"

Five men face drug charges and a sixth was charged with
running an illegal dance hall after a raid at an after-hours
party in a Sayler Park move house.

Police said the owner of the Parkland Theatre, William Bauer Jr.,
apparently was not aware that the late-night party for which he
had rented out the building was actually a "rave."  Raves are all-
night dance parties, often marked by light shows and high-energy
"techno" music. Sometimes participants fuel their experience with
drugs.

Police said they seized drugs, including marijuana and LSD.

Charged with drug offenses were: XXXXX XXX, age unavailable, of
Clifton; XXXXXXXX XXXXX, 21, of Centerville; XXXX XXXXXXXX, 19,
of Batavia; XXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX, 23, of Clifton; and XXXX XXXXX,
26, address unavailable. XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX, 22, of Sycamore Township,
was cited for operating a dance hall without a license and illegaly
charging admission.

[end of article]


I think the part of the owner not knowing what was going on is bullshit. The
one local who worked there said they had rented the space until 7am and knew
it was a dance party.  Now tell me what the difference is between a rave and
a dance party that lasts until morning.

-jeff


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look on the bright side,

at least the paper got the "definition" of a rave somewhat correct.....


sorry, that was sick.  :P

Clinton
Mahdi on vrave

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	HEY, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS\GALS TALK'N ABOUT????


On Tue, 30 Jan 1996 MEAD@uwplatt.edu wrote:

> look on the bright side,
> 
> at least the paper got the "definition" of a rave somewhat correct.....
> 
> 
> sorry, that was sick.  :P
> 
> Clinton
> Mahdi on vrave
> 

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        I just couldn't let these reviews go by without thanking you all for being so cool about the minor problems that kept popping up at KFM this past s

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        Little mix up....but anyway....my friends were the ones from oxford
(not actually miami u.) who got KFM started on Saturday...it was also their
kickin' apartment at which the afterhours was held,  and I was quite impressed
with the apartment as well as the beats that were being sent out throughout the
crowded place....even though the afterhours kicked ass,  it was a little too
crowded for me (probably because I would've liked to have had more dancing
room).
        I also would like to say that I was impressed with all of those who
attended KFM and at their ability to take the many interruptions as well as
they did. I met the guy who was throwing the party about 2-3 weeks before it
went off and I understand that he had a hard enough time trying to find a space
for the party art all...I feel kind of bad for him because I know how much he
wanted this party to go off and not get busted (which is why they had such a
hard time finding a space and getting a permit),  but I'm glad that everyone
had a great time anyway....I know I did!! :)

Hugz and Kisses
        **Kimm**

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>I think the part of the owner not knowing what was going on is bullshit. The
>one local who worked there said they had rented the space until 7am and knew
>it was a dance party.  Now tell me what the difference is between a rave and
>a dance party that lasts until morning.
>-jeff

Honestly, I would have to say that the drug mix at a rave is a little
harder.  LSD is quite often available at raves, whereas a dance party sells
alcohol instead.  I'm not about to preach on some drugs being worse than
others, but then again, I'm also not a member of the police force.

adam


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CARTERK1@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:
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>         I just couldn't let these reviews go by without thanking you all for being so cool about the minor problems that kept popping up at KFM this past s

Seems you may have problems with more than those at KMF.:-)

					Jay Busch
					jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

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sorry, i just deleted the first post before i finished reading it
(brilliant). did the article mention how the kids were arrested? i.e. on
what grounds did the cops search them? Unless they were selling/consuming
in plain view, the police don't have the right to  search an individual's
person/car/belongings/etc...
were they cornering kids and flashlighting them? ack..seems a little agro
for a standard shut-down. was there possibly a set-up involved (it's been
done before)?..esp if they let the owner get away w/ saying he didn't know
it was a rave. ah..sure.

just curious, and a little paranoid of the powers that claim to be....

:)Gizzy
crc





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umm...i have playing with my 1200 and a normal cd player for a week now
(the 1210 is in the mail) and i still cant beatmatch. i can match it for
a little while (with a help of metronome) but i cant keep it constant...
any tricks?? or it just come in time?? if so, how long? 
how much does a bpm counter (the tapping kind) cost?? i want one :>
and just how tough is 1200? my friends have been pretty rough with it and
i am scare...should i put up a fence? :>

dress warmly,

jest the anonymous-so-far-bedroom-dj-beginner


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VJ OD reconnaissance mission to locate others w/ video footage
of even furthur for the od megamix.  I'm mixing down to create the
definitive psycho document of this event and am open to suggestivity
and brain fluids to likewise splatter on the screen, take out and then
sit watching the drips dripping and swells swirly infusion till we can't
tell each other what a part we play or where ended began tube I and eye
N'vitrio dig ! Furthur beyond language monkey dung !
VJ OD requests U leave phone # and / or address.



(posted for friend who has really incredible footage of Even
Furthur)

  Over and Out.

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Chris Sattinger                                                            
     
                                    Reprogramming Our Reality Through Disco

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star sed:
==================================================================
> 
> In other words, what if at a rave there was a bunch of ppl who handed 
> out info on everything you ever wanted to know about drugs, but you 
> were too sheepish to ask, no one knew the answer, or you didn't even know 
> to ask? Would that be cool? Would it benefit the scene? Would it 
> possibly prevent the death of one raver? Would you support it? Would 
> you volunteer your time and experience?


blender,

i'm sure you've gotten a ton of responses to your post already....
but i would like to offer the total support of PLRM as kate, stevie 
t, and myself.  perhaps this kind of information, when assembled, can 
be included in an upcoming issue.  also, you've got our support in 
time and communications to distribute these flyers through our 
distribution network.

please keep me (us) updated on how this project comes along.

RLPU,
--star* 
====================================================================

actually there was a very informative article written by ecto of
ectographics of montreal entitled 'what you should know about 
ecstacy' that appeared in the july '95 issue of PLRM. i've been
thinking about doing an info article about meth, but held back
because i thought it might end up promoting the drug, which is
the last thing i wanted.  

actually the total support of PLRM as myself, star, kate, & the
84 other contributors & distributors of PLRM:

1. Stevie T - syt@po.cwru.edu -  cleveland hts, oh 
---
2. Sean Macklin - orwell, ohio
2. Patti  - medina, ohio 
4. Kurt Perry aka DJ Release - geneva, oh 
5. Amy Long -  hudson, oh
---
6. DJ Scott Forbush - mentor, ohio 
7. DJ Trevor Lamont - trevor567@aol.com - lexington, ky 
8. Jason / Stone - E  
9. Walt Smith - columbus, oh
10. Monica Kraszewski -  MOKRASZE@GRAIL.CBA.CSUOHIO.EDU - Brecksville, OH 
---
11. Trevor / Revert - washington, DC
12. DJ Rob Sherwood - lakewood, OH 
13. DJ Mike Filly - shaker hts, OH 
14. Lisa Lee - Ny, NY 
---
15. DJ Sleepy C - Cleveland Hts, OH - scinch@aol.com 
16. Dave Trance - Amityville, NY 11701 
17. Wayne Frost / Frosty Freeze -  NY, NY 
18. Christopher Newhard / Jabber - jabber@epix.net - allentown, pa
19. Kenny Eng -  keOW+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU - elmhurst, NY  
20. Russ Murphy - ec290@cleveland.freenet.edu -brecksville, oh 
21. Jonas Broth - broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu - Columbus, OH 
---- 
22. DJ Carlos Hernandez  -  san francisco 
23. Brian Wheeler / UPS -  aa597@freenet.akron.oh.us
24. Rick Worth / Stickman / Fuel Productions - RWORTH1@ITHACA.EDU - Ithaca NY
25. Jeremy Wall / J-Wump - Oberlin College - 
26. DJ Lemon Lyman - Columbus, OH 
---- 
27. DJ Dreamer / Rick Deshields - Strongsville, OH 
28. Joe Lesesne / 187 - raver187@m-net.arbornet.org - Pittsburgh, PA
29. Lonnie Fisher - u8x@access.digex.net -  baltimore, md 
30. DJ Siren / Amy Hendricksen - hendricksen.2@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu - 
Columbus, OH 
31. Michael Panik / Manik Panic / 611 Records -  Philly,  PA
32. Jamie / Troutsoup - s0176326@cc.ysu.edu - youngstown, oh
33. Ed Luna / Ele Mental Productions - eluna@coil.com - columbus, oh
----
34. Dan the Man Spam - akron, oh 
35. Selim Alaluf - Salami -  salami@tcl.tor250.org -  thornhill, ontario, canada
36. Brad Finlay / ecto / ectographics - ecto@citenet.net - , montreal, quebec, 
canada
37. tony ramos / ele mental - ramos.15@osu.edu - columbus, oh 
38. J2 / Untranslatable - jmhaws1@mik.uky.edu -  lexington, ky 
39. Chinagrrrl - china@salamander.net - penninsula, oh 
40. Braden Albert - balbert@wariat.org - shaker hts, oh
41. chelle - casper888@aol.com - nyc, ny
42. jason heinen / jay 23 - jheine1@zeus.towson.edu - towson, md
43. heather osterman - hoster1@zeus.towson.edu - towson, md
44. ben page / cylert -  page@simon.wustl.edu - st.louis, mo
45. mark pflag - pflaging@seas.gwu.edu - richmond, va
46. marcus / proby - nalst4+@pitt.edu - pittsburgh, pa
47. Lucy  Jeong / Loosey - loose@merle.acns.nwu.edu - chicago, IL
48. veronica  red - Strongsville, OH
49. doug meyer - Akron, OH
----
50. spike - rcolongo@GOUCHER.EDU - Baltimore, MD
51. andy hawks - hawks@colorado.edu - Denver, CO
52. alex whalen / babylon records -  babylon909@aol.com - Annandale, VA
53. jennifer palmer / deadbeat -  italia@iglou.com - Lexington, KY
54. elizabeth hayes - caley@acs.bu.edu - Chicago, DE
55. bob brown - st94u7jy@post.drexel.edu - Philly, PA 
56. peter r. jones - peter@island.com - Larkspur, CA
57. jen / demongirl - lollipop@REDBRANCH.MIT.EDU - Jamaica Plain, MA
58. tom butcher / orbit records - bit@hyperreal.com - pittsburgh, pa 
59. chip / eyegasm - louisville, KY - 
60. chris green - CGREEN@DIMARKINC.COM - NY, NY
61. elizabeth boyle - eboyle@UNITY.NCSU.EDU - Raleigh, NC
62. shawn mills - facade@VRKPA.KIAS.COM - Allentown, PA
----
63. DJ ReadeTruth - truthink@PANIX.COM -  Jersey City, NJ 07302
64. Becky Thomas - snuggleb@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu - Athens, OH
65. Kate Catanese - krc@nwu.edu - Chiacgo, IL
66. Torin ÔSealÕ Kuiggpak Jacobs - TJACOBS@wpo.it.luc.edu - Alaska / Chicago, IL
67. C. J ason Clark / J-Sun  -  CJCLAR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU - Louisville, KY 
68. chris & alex / Spawntaneous - Lakewood, OH - 
69. Ian Mariano - shaman@en.com - Lakewood, OH -
70. Jammin James E -  jamese@walrus.com  - NY, NY
71. Apocalypse Joe - Washington, DC
72. DJ Kevy Kev / Kevin Grim - kg2@coil.com - Columbus, OH 
73. Christina Battaglia / Chrisbee - cjbst35+@pitt.edu - Pittsburgh, PA
74. Gil / Star* - star@interaccess.com - Chicago, IL - 
75. SarahS / RoadtripGIRL / KoOsHgirl - SarahS@buffnet.net - Buffalo NY 
76. Tim / Optik - Cincinnati, OH
77. Craig L. Stodolenak - archon@acid.com - Indianapolis, IN
78. Mike Sparks - Lakewood, OH
-----
79. DJ Johnny Fingers - ja4i+@andrew.cmu.edu - pittsburgh, pa
80. DJ Steven Kaye - weasel@ramona.cyborganic.com - milwaukee, wi 
81. rob nanery / xelibrium - xelibrium@aolcom - seaford, NY
82. jenna  colby  -  madigan@astro.ocis.temple.edu - philadelphia, pa 
83. christopher newton / hannibal - hannibal@acs.bu.edu - brookline, ma 
84. dan kutz / citrus - bb31626@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu - binghamton, ny 
85. cindy van-heyningen / sinn - alliance@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU - knoxville, tn
86. bruce noe / tiggah / maximum s&l - tiggah@iglou.com - lexington, ky
87. jay busch -  jvbusc01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu - louisville, ky
     
just to give props to where props are due. i may have put the zines
together but none of it would have been possible without the help
of each & everyone of the people i listed above.

the family of light is growing though, feel free to join us.

lurp!

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been meaning to reply to this one...

we did just this at our jun 30 event...printed some shit off hyperreal 
about e, nitrous, and pot (nothing about meth on there at the time), and 
had it at the door for ppl to pick up. 

only problem is, since drugs are illegal, it's VERY hard to get good, 
balanced information (ie, stuff based on scientific testing, or sources 
with a more centrist agenda that arent out to condone or condemn drug usage).

for example, i've heard ppl on both sides describe hyperreal's coverage 
variously as "biased," or "very accurate."  so who do you believe?  i 
think the best thing we can do is to encourage a sense of skepticism 
about "what we are told," no matter what the source..as opposed to 
preaching (which is what i tend to do meself :).

this doesnt rule out handing out information that seems reliable and 
balanced (it IS out there), but just remember that the flyers you hand out--
while they may be of great value to encouraging people to be more 
responsible about their drug usage--are your SUBJECTIVE (ie, biased) and 
SELECTIVE evaluation of the source, and are no substitute for detailed 
research.  SO...if anyone out there does actually get this info together, 
PLEASE make sure to tell people to do their OWN research and tell them 
how and where to do it!!

and, not to be too skeptical, but most drug users will either:

a) look at it, laugh, and drop it promptly on the floor.

b) look at it, read it, and say: "ok, i'm RESPONSIBLE now, i KNOW what 
i'm doing now..."

c) look at it, read it, and laugh, saying: "i don't have a problem."

or d) say: "oh gosh, i better quit" and then promptly get fucked up at 
the next party, because they "need" it or because "everyone else is doing 
it" or "because it's free" (you wouldnt believe how many times i've heard 
THAT one).

but of course it's that 5% of the people who will actually _read_ it and 
then go to the library and actually _think_ about it, that make it worth 
doing...

*end transmission*
++
e d

e l e  h o n k e y
http://coil.com/~eluna/

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From: italia@iglou.com (Jennifer Palmer)
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thank you ed for that .....
no matter how many times I goto a party I am 
amazed at how many fucked up 14-16 yr olds I
see who don't take out the time to read &
ask questions.... sure I have read all there
is to read on hyperreal and asked so many
questions about drugs in general to my more
educated friends (in the drug area) that I
thought they would kill me.... but hey! there
is still one problem a very real one...
since drugs are illegal how do you know that
what you are getting is really what you are
getting.... I learned a very real lesson this
past summer hey the dealers know what they 
are selling trust me most of them are not 
dumb and if they are dumb you shouldn't be
buying stuff from them in the first place...
I trusted my friends.... and was unconsious
2 hours later.... it was from a little xtra
added incentive to what Ithought I had 
bought.... I learned. I have stayed away 
from that particular stuff since.... the story
did Have a happy ending though... I had a
life changing experiance in more ways than
one..... it will be one of the best and worst
times I have ever had but hell this shit isn't
worth dieing for guys.... do your homework
before you do something stupid.

Plur

jen

Jennifer Palmer
*Italia* 
italia@iglou.com


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heh practice til you get it right.

or find the 4th beat on the second rekkid
stop it on 3 and when the first rekkid gets
to 3 let go and ta da it is usually beatmatched
*oh and! make sure they are the same speed
before hand*

jen

Jennifer Palmer
*Italia* 
italia@iglou.com


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On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, eluna wrote:
> 
> only problem is, since drugs are illegal, it's VERY hard to get good, 
> balanced information (ie, stuff based on scientific testing, or sources 
> with a more centrist agenda that arent out to condone or condemn drug usage).
> 
Many street drugs have, or have had medical uses. I find one of the best 
places for info on such is the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference). The only 
problem is that you may need to find older versions to get info on drugs 
that are no longer medically used. Among these drugs are methamphetamine, 
which was used to treat obesity, and also occassionally as an 
anti-depressant, ketamine, which was used as an anesthetic, heroin is 
still used as an anesthetic, as is cocaine.
The Merck Manual has a good section with information on legal and illegal 
drugs, especially as to the risks and side effects of the drugs.


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Ed Luna:

> been meaning to reply to this one...
> 
> we did just this at our jun 30 event...printed some shit off hyperreal 
> about e, nitrous, and pot (nothing about meth on there at the time), and 
> had it at the door for ppl to pick up. 
> 
> but of course it's that 5% of the people who will actually _read_ it and 
> then go to the library and actually _think_ about it, that make it worth 
> doing...

I think of any communicative medium, if you _actually_ reach 5% of the
people, you're doing a pretty good job.  True understanding is a very
precious thing.

I saw a rather impressive collection of drug information handout pamphlets
in Toronto a few months ago.  I have them at home; I'll post more
information tonight (I'm at work now).

-- 
Craig L. Stodolenak
archon@acid.com

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> From jmbug@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu  Tue Jan 30 18:46:43 1996
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 20:45:10 -0500
> From: "James M. Buggar" <jmbug@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
>             In Your Face Fucking Hard Slamming House Music 
>                             For The Hard of Hearing 
>                                    Problem Child 
>  
> Alien Visitation Tour 1996 presents: 
>  
>                                 "AWAKENING" 
>                          Toronto, Saturday Feb 3rd 
>                             10:00 p.m.-8:00a.m. 
> Featuring: 
>               Terry Mullan-Chicago acid house/Catalyst Records 
>               Dante-uplifting house from SanFrancisco 
>               Andrew Rawnsley -Love Records from SanFrancisco 
>               Murat- Really hard from NYC 
>               Oddessey-alien resident from Ottawa 
>  
> Also some of Toronto's best: 
>                                         Sniper 
>                                         Algorhythm 
>                                         Jarrko 
>                                         Sugar Daddy Moth 
>                                         Paul E. Lopez 
>                                         Danny Henry 
>                                         Adam Marshall 
>                                         Tec 
>                                         Colour Flow 
>  
>                         Three Rooms in A New Location 
>                                Lot's of Party Space 
>                        $15 advance/$20 at the door 
>  
>               Call 416-760-3132 for ticket locations and updates 
>                  Meet at Nathan Phillips Square @9:30 
>                                         for 
>                                  Free Shuttle
> 

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of taxpayer's dollars.  Though we cannot confirm this, the rumor is that 
they are focusing on the government's provision of legal medical 
marijuana to eight patients, as their example of government waste.  We 
suspect the involvement of Partnership for a Drug Free America chairman 
James Burke, who is on the board of GE, which owns NBC.

Please take a moment right now to e-mail NBC, at "nightly@nbc.com".  Tell 
them the real fleecing of America is the DEA's refusal to reschedule 
marijuana as a prescription medicine, despite DEA's own administrative 
law judge's ruling that they should (Judge Young, 1988, 
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government spends to prevent patients, whose doctors agree that marijuana 
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Forwarded message:
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:56:58 -0500 (EST)
> From: danFREELove <freelove@access.digex.net>
> Subject: NR: Updates
> 
> Okay, right now I am going nuts.  Tomorrow I lobby God to see if I can get
> a 28 hour day.  ;) I am driving around all over the place and listening to
> the tapes that have been submitted and basically going nuts wanting to
> hear these people spin.  I wish I could single out one or two particularly
> good tapes, but they are all so tasty!  Heh, I just hope I can get some
> dancing in. 
> 
> I have been talking with Stevie T (syt@po.cwru.edu) of PLRM and it sounds
> like he may be doing a van trip out of Ohio (Cleveland/Columbus) so people
> may want to contact him about a ride if you are travelling from out that
> way.  Remember, the Van Rental FAQ is still available (and there is still
> time to put together an inexpensive trip).  Just send me an email and I
> will bounce that out to you.  The Atlanta (jedi@crl.com) and North
> Carolina (rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu) trips are on. 
> 
> I will be posting the tickets flyer again in a little bit as the 
> information has been updated with better contact info.  I culled all the 
> responses that I have gotten from people requesting flyers and bought a 
> bunch of envelopes.  Expect those in the mail very quickly.
> 
> Now I have a favor to ask of you.  Now, the party itself is solid.  Got a
> full compliment of amazing DJs, the sound systems are set, the site is
> solid, I am no longer worrying about the weather (any party that Lonnie is
> involved with is immune from bad weather).  Right now we are concentrating
> on making the gathering as powerful and pleasant as possible.  Okay, so
> this is where the favor comes in.  I want you to think about what both you
> and we could do to make the party better and then tell us.  If you could
> bring some cake and fruit, some information and good friends, the solution
> to crime and poverty, a smile and a hug, things that you or we could share
> with someone else to make the party more enjoyable for all.  Just let us
> know.. 
> 
> We may be setting up a table for selling stuff that people are bringing. 
> A few DJs are bringing copies of there tapes (alot of people have been
> interested) and want a central location.  If people are interested in
> other things, maybe we can run with it. 
> 
> Everything is coming together quite nicely.  In the next week I want to
> post a preliminary budget of what all the costs are and what is being
> spent.  Then I want to put together a list of everyone who has contributed
> time and effort to this party, there are 6 (Derrick, Jason, Lonnie, Karin,
> Jer and Allison) people out there without whom this party would never have
> progressed this far.  Anyhow, I have alot of stuff I want to bring folks 
> up to speed on between now and the blessed event.  :)
> 
> If it seems like I am a little hard to get in touch with, it's because I
> am spending alot of time offline trying to get all this in order in the
> less than two weeks we have left.  (LESS THAN TWO WEEKS!  I AM SO HYPED!)
> Anyhow, I may be slow with my email responses, but you can always get in
> touch with me at 301-441-9328 (always leave a message) or at any parties I
> am at. 
> 
> Dan
> 
> ,._-_  < \, \\/\  _-_        __ freelove@access.digex.net ~~~~~---____Peace
>  ||    /-|| || | || \\  _+--=         __                              Love
>  ||   (( || || | ||/   _             _            ~~       =          Unity
>  \\,   \/\\ \\/  \\,/  ~~~~~          |            danFREELove        Respect
> 
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 31 09:02:02 1996
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You guys/gals are great!

I've had so much response with the drug info idea that I've decided 
to create a homepage......just kidding. Really, I've put everybody in 
my little black book who wants to help.....yay for positive action! 
I'll post more later when I've got more info assembled. If anyone 
(besides ed ;P ) knows of any other good sources on or off the net 
(books, you mean ppl still write books?) let me know.

Or mail good info directly, but please include the name of the 
source.

Anyhoo, more on all this garbage later...

PLUR-o-istic bliss,
blender.

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You know, i've been thinkin about the things ppl have saidd, 
especially my girlfriend, who is THE most analytical person I know, 
bar none. And thinking about this project, several topics, problems 
have come up, like:

1. Won't some ppl see this sort of project as proof of drug use at 
raves (I mean, it's not like we don't KNOW that, but others are less 
informed.) and therefore a possible turnoff to 
promoters/cops/parental figures? Or should I just assume they all 
don't respect us anyway, so fuck it and do it for the scene?
    I guess that sort of falls into the whole inclusivism/exclusivism 
dilemma w/in the scene.

2. How much money is it gonna cost to print very cool flyers like i'm 
visualizing...where does the $ come from? Do ppl contribute to stuff 
like this? Are ravers themselves very good contributers? Anyone whose 
ever thrown a benefit, speak up, please.

3. What more can a project of that sort do besides hand out drug 
info....what kind of services, etc. would ppl like to see at a rave? 

If you are just trippin/rollin/bumpin/etc your ass off, what is that 
you sometimes really need/want to cope w/ your freakingness...?
A nice comfie spot to chill? A temporary escape from the harder music 
into something more comforting and ethereal? (I'm just throwin out 
ideas based on my experiences...) Free water, without having to stand 
in the lines at the bathroom or paying $2 a bottle? A massage? An 
Advil?

Or is all this just too much like "promoting" drug use?


Basically I'm just trying to put this thing into a more long-term 
perspective so I and others don't lose sight of the purpose....It's 
not just about telling everybody what they need to know about drugs, 
but how to revitalize the scene, to keep the old ppl coming back, to 
keep the young'uns interested. What more can we do? What more has 
been done? What do ppl want? What will get more ppl involved 
directly with the scene, doing something besides spinning, promoting, 
or just paying for a ticket....?

Anyway, just more babble for the brains out there....I'll shut up and 
start doing something, anything.....


mo' better plur,
blender

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 31 09:39:49 1996
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I just added some club info for Ohio to the weekly calendar.  Would anyone in
the know please look through this list and let me know of anything that is no
longer happening or if anything needs to be added?

thanks...


- stevenJ
in vrave, spacebar and other (un)worldly temporalities
stevenj@hyperreal.com

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I want to spin. BAD. I dance, but I ai a desire to spin.
how costs it to begin to spin???? Can you help????


                        J.P.

On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Jennifer Palmer wrote:

> heh practice til you get it right.
> 
> or find the 4th beat on the second rekkid
> stop it on 3 and when the first rekkid gets
> to 3 let go and ta da it is usually beatmatched
> *oh and! make sure they are the same speed
> before hand*
> 
> jen
> 
> Jennifer Palmer
> *Italia* 
> italia@iglou.com
> 
> 

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Yo Group,
        I was going through my clothes and it occured to me that I didn't
have my Alien Workshop T-shirt! It's brown with three aliens on it with gas
masks and it just says "workshop" above that. It's a possibility that this
piece of clothing may be over YOUR house. I know you're not responsible for
my stray laundry but it would help me out alot if you knew something about
this.
        See what drugs do to you!!!

Peace,
Des

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At 5:55 AM 1/31/96, eluna wrote:
>and, not to be too skeptical, but most drug users will either:
>
>a) look at it, laugh, and drop it promptly on the floor.
>
>b) look at it, read it, and say: "ok, i'm RESPONSIBLE now, i KNOW what
>i'm doing now..."
>
>c) look at it, read it, and laugh, saying: "i don't have a problem."
>
>or d) say: "oh gosh, i better quit" and then promptly get fucked up at
>the next party, because they "need" it or because "everyone else is doing
>it" or "because it's free" (you wouldnt believe how many times i've heard
>THAT one).
>
>but of course it's that 5% of the people who will actually _read_ it and
>then go to the library and actually _think_ about it, that make it worth
>doing...
        :) yeah, i have to agree with you there. Ok, i guess i should
introduce myself a bit first, i'm new to this list (i'm on ne-raves but
wanted to check out mw-raves to see what y'all are talking about).
        I'm in montreal and have been giving out little flyers about e for
a while now and the one thing that has kept me going is faith on certain
things. The latest (v 3.0) version of the little flyer has a big butterfly
on the front for a variety of reasons. One being that this is the
traditional symbol of a soul's emergence from a cocoon, or the process of
metamorphosis to a 'higher form of life' :) Not to say that you need e to
do that, of course! :)
        The other reason for the butterfly comes from Chaos Theory and this
is where faith comes in. In making these things, i have faith in "sensitive
dependance on initial conditions" or 'the butterfly effect' (which got it's
name from the example that a butterfly flapping its wings in central park
could be one of the causes of a hurricaine in the phillipines or something
to that effect). Basically the idea is that I) everything is interconnected
and II) 'small' things can have 'large' consequences in the long-term.
        Small things 'here and now' can have huge effects on people and
places 'far away' in space and time. Figure this out: i met a girl in
Boston last Sept and i tried to give her one of these flyers and she said
"oh i already have one" She said she got it in Milwaukee (!). Well, i
dunno, i've never been to milwaukee, but there ya go. Small things can go
out and replicate themselves, you just have to have faith that what you're
doing will affect people in a positive way, through this 'butterfly'
effect, though often you will not 'see' the results of your work. It's like
dropping a rock in a pond and sending out ripples, some of which bounce off
the other shore and come back to you, others just keep going out.
        I guess it's a question of faith, but i think that having info out
there for people, just to THINK about it is good. I try my best to be
'objective' but everything is often quite subjective and has its own
agenda, i do state that i don't condone or NOT condone drug use, and just
give information. When we all share info i think we'll all get stronger,
like i saw on an arcade game last night (!) "there is no knowledge that is
not power" :)
        peace and peanut butter chocolate ripple butterflies,
                                        brad

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PREFLYER



Just to warm you up to the phattest lineup Minneapolis has seen since 
GATHERING:



REACTOR:

DEISELBOY
-Pittsburgh


DAVE HOLLANDS
-Chicago


JOHN KEESOM
-Denver


DANNY SCHAFFER
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Four corner surround sound w/ stadium quality speakers.

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>From: natural@sirius.com (Natural)
>Subject: FCC and NAB Join Forces to Silence Free Radio Berkeley
>
>This is a very important thing here. Maybe a few community radio stations
>should start  appearing all over.
>Then lets see what they do.
>Knowledge is power
>Stay informed!
>DH
>>
>>
>>**********************************************************************
>>
>>                MEDIA RELEASE FROM FREE RADIO BERKELEY
>>
>>             FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, TUESDAY, JANUARY 2, 1996
>>
>>*************************************************************************
>>
>>
>>FCC and NAB Join Forces to Silence Free Radio Berkeley
>>
>>     One week after filing a motion in Federal Court asking for an
>>injunction to stop Free Radio Berkeley (FRB) from broadcasting, the
>>Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has been joined by the National
>>Association of Broadcasters (NAB) in its effort to stop the growth of the
>>micro radio movement across the United States.  By filing a "friend of the
>>court" ("amicus") brief the NAB now stands in support of the FCC motion to
>>enjoin Free Radio Berkeley.
>>
>>     Free Radio Berkeley has remained a First Amendment thorn in the side
>>of the FCC since its ... FIRST broadcast on April 11, 1993.  Since the
>>FCC's motion for a preliminary injunction was denied by a Federal District
>>Court on January 20, 1995 the micro radio movement has continued to grow,
>>giving the people of this country access, almost for the first time to the
>>air waves.  This joint action by the FCC and NAB sets the stage for
>>another First Amendment confrontation.  The case will be heard in District
>>Court in Oakland, California on March 15, 1996 in Courtroom #2, at the
>>Federal Building, 13th and Clay streets. A free speech support
>>demonstration will start at 9:00 AM, the hearing begins at 10:30 AM.
>>
>>     Since the beginning of this legal battle the FCC has steadfastly
>>refused to recognize the merits and constitutional issues raised by Free
>>Radio Berkeley.  Now they seek to have Free Radio Berkeley and Stephen
>>Dunifer permanently barred from the airwaves without ever letting a court
>>even consider our substantive constitutional arguments.
>>.
>>     Luke Hiken, Dunifer's attorney, filed a responding brief on behalf of
>>Free Radio Berkeley on Friday, December 22.  It was accompanied by a
>>supporting brief filed by the National Lawyers Guild's Committee on
>>Democratic Communications (NLGCDC) on behalf of itself and the Media
>>Alliance and the Women's International News Gathering Service (WINGS).
>>Another amicus brief will be filed on behalf of Free Radio Berkeley
>>listeners, community organizations, and other micropower free radio
>>stations.
>>
>>Speaking for the National Lawyers Guild Committee on Democratic
>>Communications, Attorney Alan Korn commented,
>>
>>     "In spite of the Communications Act's requirement that the FCC
>>regulate the airwaves "in the public interest," and that they ensure the
>>best use of new technologies, the FCC refuses to promote citizen access,
>>arguing instead that it is more "efficient" to allow corporations and the
>>Rupert Murdochs of the world to control the airwaves.  Meanwhile, merger
>>mania in the broadcast industry continues unabated.  At no time in our
>>history have so many broadcast stationns been controlled by so few.
>>Entire communities, cultures and ideas are now systematically excluded
>>from the airwaves.  It is only by reclaiming the airwaves by direct
>>grassroots action that the American public can regain its voice and begin
>>to engage in true self expression, which is the essence of
>>self-government.  This is why the National Lawyers Guild Committee on
>>Democratic Communications is committed to fight for the legal rights of
>>Stephen Dunifer and Free Radio Berkeley".
>>
>>Speaking for Free Radio Berkeley and as the named defendant, Stephen
>>Dunifer said:
>>
>>     "With the outrageous claim that the Federal Court has jurisdiction to
>>issue an injunction against me, but does not have jurisdication to hear my
>>challenge to the constitutionality of the FCC's rules barring low power
>>radio, the FCC is attempting to shield itself from judicial scrutiny and
>>deprive me of my First Amendment rights and due process.  Who are they to
>>determine what is in the public interest when their own chairman, Reed
>>Hundt has stated that 'the FCC 's current implementation of the public
>>interest mandate is intellectually indefensible' ?  Free Radio Berkeley
>>and all the other micropower broadcasters will not be silenced by this by
>>this self-serving cabal of corporate broadcast media interests and their
>>lackey, the FCC.  As the guardian of the airwaves as a public trust, the
>>FCC is guilty of desertion, reckless endangerment and dereliction of duty.
>>What are they going to do to stop this movement - make the possession of a
>>transistor a felony offense ?"
>>
>>Allen Hopper, another member of the legal team stated. "
>>
>>     The FCC's audacity is amazing. They themselves have gone into federal
>>district court, and have invoked the jurisdiction of the court to ask for
>>their injunction against FRB. Now they argue that the court doesn't have
>>jurisdiction to determine whether the regulations their injunction request
>>is based upon are constitutional. They are essentially telling Judge
>>Wilken that she has jurisdiction, but if and only if she agrees to grant
>>their injunction. Otherwise, says the FCC, "no jurisdiction." The FCC's
>>audacity is even more incredible when you look back to their position
>>before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in the case of Dougan v. FCC,
>>where Bill Dougan challenged the FCC's regulations in the Court of
>>Appeals; the very court the FCC now argues has "exclusive jurisdiction" to
>>hear challenges to their regulations.  In Dougan, the FCC argued to the
>>court that "Jurisdiction to decide Dougan's arguments is vested in [the]
>>United States District Court."  The FCC's blatant attempts at forum
>>shopping, and at evading judicial review of their unconstitutional ban on
>>micro radio, should and will be rejected by the Court.  We believe that
>>the Court will deny the FCC's request for summary judgment, and we are
>>ready for a trial on the merits, at which we will prove that the FCC's ban
>>of micro radio is not in the public interest, and violates the First
>>Amendment.
>>        "Seeing the NAB filing an amicus brief supporting the FCC reminds
>>me of the argument that the FCC made when the NLG's CDC filed its amicus
>>brief: that the court should refuse the brief because the CDC and FRB
>>attorney Luke Hiken are "one and the same, interchangeable." That charge
>>is much more accurate when applied to the NAB (the lobbying arm of the
>>corporate media cabal) and the FCC; they really are two heads of the same
>>monster."
>>
>>     Copies of all legal documents are available upon request.
>>
>>For further information contact:
>>Luke Hiken, Attorney at Law                             (415) 705-6460
>>Stephen Dunifer, Free Radio Berkeley                    (510) 644-3779
>>NLG Committee on Democratic Communications              (415) 648-8450
>>
>>
>>\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>>
>>                       RADIO BERKELEY
>>                        MEDIA RELEASE
>>
>>For Immediate release Monday, January 22, 1996
>>Contact: Stephen Dunifer, (510) 644-3779
>>
>>
>>      Urgent Help Needed For Silenced Salvadoran Community Radio Stations
>>
>>
>>        On December 3, 1995 Salvadoran National Police raided 11 community
>>radio stations.  Equipment was seized from ten stations, effectively
>>silencing them.  All of these radio stations are low wattage operations
>>serving peasant communities in El Salvador.
>>
>>        "The silenced radios are essentially peasant-oriented, educactive
>>and participative.  The owners or administrators are the communities
>>themselves, the peasant organizations or local non-governmental
>>organizations.  In the most distant and marginalized zones of the country
>>these radios serve as public telephones for emergencies or festivities, as
>>a primary source of local and regional news, as a channel for announcing
>>community meetings and activities, and as a medium for bringing together
>>different cultural expressions in the zone.  In all of the radios the
>>voice of the most humble Salvadorans have the right to inform, express
>>their opinion and be heard."
>>
>>- Press release from A.R.P.A.S. (Association of Participative Radios and
>>Programs of El Salvador)
>>
>>        Free Radio Berkeley has been requested by A.R.P.A.S to supply ten
>>75 watt transmitters for these community radio stations who plan on
>>returning to the air en masse around the first of February.  Unfortunately
>>the financial resources of A.R.P.A.S are rather meager.  In addition to
>>manufacturing the transmitters Free Radio Berkeley has undertaken a
>>funding campaign to raise at least $5000 to cover initial costs with a
>>final goal of $10,000.
>>
>>        Speaking for Free Radio Berkeley, Stephen Dunifer said "We are
>>doing everything possible to ensure that these radio stations can go back
>>on the air.  When people have been silenced by their government our only
>>choice is to support their efforts to regain their voice.  This is clearly
>>a move by the government to strike back at a growing movement of
>>grassroots democracy in the rural communities and elsewhere.  Further,
>>with increasing violence against opposition leaders, it may be a harbinger
>>of even harsher moves yet to come.  I find an interesting parallel between
>>our struggle with the FCC and the actions taken by the Salvadoran
>>government, it seems neither entity wants to see the development of truly
>>democratic grassroots broadcast media.  Free Radio Berkeley is developing
>>an international operation called IRATE (International Radio Action
>>Training Education) to aid in the development of low cost grassroots
>>community radio stations.  We are working with Salvadoran solidarity
>>groups in the Bay Area and individuals to raise the necessary funds and
>>educate the public about this situation.  Any further support would be
>>most welcomed."
>>
>>        A solidarity support celebration will held on the day the
>>community radio stations go back on the air.  The time, date and place
>>will be announced later.  Call (510) 644-3779 for further information.
>>
>
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 31 12:50:14 1996
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C. Jason Clark
_/›__/›__/›__/
/  ›/  ›/  ›/

Does anyone know anything about this party?
All I have seen is a pre-flyer that I got at
a record store here in Louisville.

February 17 - Central Indiana
317-538-1400

VIBE SOURCE

Carlos - Paul Johnson - Terry Mullan
Mystic Bill - Cyberjive - Andromeda

Kimyon - Keen Bean - Max - Unit E
Todd Storm - Just John - Jason


I called the line #, and it seems
to be disconnected.


peace and love to all, and to all a good night!

j-Sun

     "He who passes not his days in the realm
      of dreams is the slave of the days."
            Kahlil Gibran

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 31 13:25:35 1996
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Hi, Ecto put together a pamphlet on extasy and it's effects, myths, 
etc. It is really really imformative and a good source of info.  I've got
extra ones at home here, and he doesn;t mind if you photcopy these
pamphlets and hand them out.  If anybody wants one, please email me with your address.

peace and love

tony

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From: 3VR3MENKEM@vmsa.csd.mu.edu
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                    Enter the depths in which they spin,
                    Here you will see no light within,
                    Beats are boomin at your chamber door,
                    You'll return to reality...


                           N*E*V*E*R*M*O*R*E

                       MARCH 15th, FRIDAY, 1996
                           Fond Du Lac, WI


             featuring extended sets by hardcore freaks:


             FRANKIE BONES- NYC, NY    &       DAN DC- NJ


                     also a live performance by:
                         
                           TRON-Chicago, IL

                            other sets by:

    QUASAR (aka Afroman)- Milwaukee, WI     DJ BOB- Chicago, IL

         E-TONES- Minneapolis,MN   and special guest TBA

Go to Revolutions on Water St. Milwaukee, WI for discount coupons.
$10 w/ coupon, $12 w/ canned food, $15 at the door.
Any promoters who are passing out flyers at Nevermore will get free admission.

Funshine Girlie's mainline: 414-887-4950
Vibeonauts: 312-604-1644
Network 10: 414-256-1350
I-MIX: 414-730-6178
 
  We will push you through the portal which no mortal dare to enter...       

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This is someting to think about...

To all those people out there who truly belive in our scene and
believe in being good to other people....

I'm challenging anybody who's thinking of going to any further funshine girls
events to not go and do the scene a favor...

In case you don't know already, one of the funshine girls stole her mom's
credit card to pay for Winterfrsh - The big free party they through
on Dec. 29 in Rockford....

They illegally purchased 1200's and sold them to make cash to pay for the party...

Okay...  the first thing is that they really screwed over her mom.  I was talking
to them personally, and her mom calls up her voice mail crying, beggin for
her to come home.  Her father wants to put a warrant out for her arrest...

Anybody who belives in this scene, and anybody who is prmotoing this
scene shouldn;t be screwing over their own parents......

This is very immature, and gives other people in the scene a bad name.

1..  The store who sold the 1200's to these brats probably thinks very
lowly of rave people now.  Their parents and evryone they are in 
contact with also probably think bvery lowly of our scene.

2.  What they did to her mom was very very very shitty...

3.  If you support their behavior, go ahead, but I think Anybody
with any sense of values whatsoever won't go and support
a bunch of young girls who are just screwing people over, and 
who are messing up their own lives..



Peace and I'm stepping down from the podium

tony / love express

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hey,
does anyone know where i could get a copy of 1234 by d.j. icey on vinyl?
thanks.

--
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>>        A call has been sent out by Indigenous Elders Worldwide to use the
>>image of the Earth surrounded by a rainbow as a unifying image around which
>>humanity can unite and feel into our spiritual oneness that exists beneath
>>the outer plane of appearances. The Peruvian Indians have strongly
>>articulated the fact that if humanity does not correct its reckless and
>>short sighted, money driven rampage of disharmonious and irreverent behavior
>>with respect to the biosphere that the future of all life on Earth looks
>>horribly bleak.
>>         The councils of Indigenous Elders around the planet have called for
>>February 2, 1996 to be a World prayer Day during which people are being
>>called to visualize the planet being surrounded and encircled by a brilliant
>>rainbow and to pray for peace and world unity. This call has been sent out
>>to every continent and to millions of people in thousands of cities
>>worldwide and will create a globally synchronized field of spiritual
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>>        In the San Francisco Bay Area there will be a gathering at noon on
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>>February 2 is Red Crystal Serpent day in the Mayan Calendar and is also
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>>Winter Solstice and the Spring Equinox. There will be a lot of information
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>>lunar calendar. See you there!
>>
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 31 17:12:32 1996
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From: "Daniel K. Taylor" <tech135@Menudo.UH.EDU>
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	I do not have mike dearborne's email, so im posting to the 
mw-raves list cuz i heard he is on this list. Please email me back..
There is supposedly a rave here in houston,tx that you are booked for
and I was curious if this is legit. thanks.

    daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
    tech135@menudo.uh.edu |      HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
    tech137/rotterdan on hyperreal.com 7283


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 31 17:16:53 1996
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On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Max McCann wrote:

> hey,
> does anyone know where i could get a copy of 1234 by d.j. icey on vinyl?
> thanks.

	You can find it at any BlockBusters music store......wait..
you wanted vinyl right? check any record store's USED bins and im sure 
you can find dozens of copies. ;)

    daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 31 20:04:24 1996
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From: 3VR3MENKEM@vmsa.csd.mu.edu
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First of all, I'd just like to say that I shouldn't have to write this at all,
mw-raves should not be used as a rumor mill, it should be used as a place where
party people can gather information on other parties.

If what you all need is a justification, I don't have one..I admit to taking my
mom's credit card, and I know it was a shitty thing to do.  We all make stupid
decisions, and have to pay for them.  Well, right now I'm in the process of
paying back my mom the money I owe her.  Kim and I are working, we are no
longer homeless, and I have gone sober for the present time until I can
straighten shit out.

As far as Tony goes, Groove Apostle, aka Love Express, I have never talked to
him about the whole situation, and he has never confronted me about it.

One last closing thought..my motivation was not to ruin the scene.  Kim and I
wanted to make the scene better.  We wanted a party that was free, where people
could come and enjoy the music, spread love and happiness, and absorb the great
vibe...old school setting.  For people who attended the party, I'm pretty sure
we succeeded in doing just that. (We also raised about 500 cans of food for a
homeless shelter-does THAT give the scene a bad name?)  

Whether or not you decide to come to our future events is your decision, but we
throw parties for you, not to ruin your reputation.  We hope to see you at
Nevermore.

    As always, sendin' out lots of love, funk, and soul, 
                            The Funshine Girls
                            Sheri-the one with the fun.


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Fuck ya, dude. What they did just ain't right. Not that I have a great 
relationship with their parents, but that is tha dickin'est dick move I 
ever heard of. 

	peace love and rock dem punks worlds.

	DCM    :p

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jan 31 20:44:47 1996
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On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Anthony John Vuolo wrote:

> To all those people out there who truly belive in our scene and
> believe in being good to other people....
> I'm challenging anybody who's thinking of going to any further funshine girls
> events to not go and do the scene a favor...
> In case you don't know already, one of the funshine girls stole her mom's
> credit card to pay for Winterfrsh - The big free party they through
> on Dec. 29 in Rockford....

Can someone else confirm or deny this allegation? Cuz if it is true, I 
will not be patronizing their parties. Thanks

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>On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Anthony John Vuolo wrote:
>> To all those people out there who truly belive in our scene and
>> believe in being good to other people....
>> I'm challenging anybody who's thinking of going to any further funshine girls
>> events to not go and do the scene a favor...
>> In case you don't know already, one of the funshine girls stole her mom's
>> credit card to pay for Winterfrsh - The big free party they through
>> on Dec. 29 in Rockford....
>
>Can someone else confirm or deny this allegation? Cuz if it is true, I 
>will not be patronizing their parties. Thanks

Hmm.  Well, without the credit card, how are they going to throw another party?

adam


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>First of all, I'd just like to say that I shouldn't have to write this at all,
>mw-raves should not be used as a rumor mill, it should be used as a place where
>party people can gather information on other parties.

communication is a key to keeping our scene together.  The post I made
directly related to Party's and party people....  And I'm not spreading
rumors.  The only reason I posted anything is because I give a shit.
Do you think that when I see people running around on the streets,
all fucked up, no place to go, stealing to throw party's, that this
lets me sleep easy at night.  It's not just about giving the scene
a bad name, It's about looking out for eachother.  The main reason
I posted that, cause I'm hoping that It will allow you to realise 
what you are really doing. 

>If what you all need is a justification, I don't have one..I admit to taking my
>mom's credit card, and I know it was a shitty thing to do.  We all make stupid
>decisions, and have to pay for them.  Well, right now I'm in the process of
>paying back my mom the money I owe her.  Kim and I are working, we are no
>longer homeless, and I have gone sober for the present time until I can
>straighten shit out.

i hope so..................


>As far as Tony goes, Groove Apostle, aka Love Express

aka Love Express???

as far as all that goes, Me and a partner actually have a legitimate
record label started.  We did it the honest way.  We actually 
worked for the money, filed all the proper forms, registered our 
trademarks, etc., and we're in the process of working out
distribution.  Hardly an aka for my name.  


> I have never talked to
>him about the whole situation, and he has never confronted me about it.

I wouldn't know one god damn thing about all those details I
posted if you wouldn't have told me.......................

honesty goes a long way.........................................


>One last closing thought..my motivation was not to ruin the scene.  Kim and I
>wanted to make the scene better.  We wanted a party that was free, where people
>could come and enjoy the music, spread love and happiness, and absorb the great
>vibe...old school setting.  For people who attended the party, I'm pretty sure
>we succeeded in doing just that. (We also raised about 500 cans of food for a
>homeless shelter-does THAT give the scene a bad name?)  

no, raising 500 cans for a homeless shelter doensn't give the scene
a bad name. It's a good deed.    


Why did you throw a free party if
it wasn't in your ability to do so in the first place?    

Your intentions were good.......... but why did you go about it the way
you did?  If you would have asked for donations at the door so you
could break even, I'm sure many people would have been happy
to throw $5 your way............. you would have still collected
food, and you could have broke even as well.


I'm just starting to worry about people in the scene.  Take care of yourself
first.  Honestly look at how your actions affect other people, and
if it is really in your ability to throw a party legit without 
hurting anybody.  

peace and love

tony / love express
414-690-3590


 People, The time has come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


