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From: Jon Yankovich <jovian@flansburgh.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu,  1 Jun 95 02:28:21 -0500
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I would love to be able to upload my experience of EVEN FURTHUR to the  
mw-raves list, but alas, every time I think of some experience to share, I'm  
reminded of another experience, and I fear that if I began, the end would not  
come for many digests. :)

I enjoyed EVEN FURTHUR.  It was a good time.

Word up to J^2, the girl who's dating the fellow from Massive, Ramy, and  
everyone else who I met and respected and forgot the name of.

Hope to see you all, well, sometime soon!

(Oh- I've got SVHS video footage and some 35mm shots of this event, if  
anyone is interested, I may scan/digitize them and try posting them to  
hyperreal.  Man, that laser!  I still can't get over that.)

-jon

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} 
} OK...since many of you have mentioned that you'll be at the orb show at the
} riv next friday...how's about a net meet?  Dave siska and I are also going.
} OR...we can have dinner together before the show maybe?  How bout it?  I'm
} opening the floor to any suggestions....:)
} 
How bout a dinner-style picnic?!?  Its june, it may be more than 50 deg. in
chicago (although thats doubtful ;-) there are some parks around....we could
all lie around in the grass, chat, listen to the birds - try and ignore the
traffic, and eat mayo (condiment of the gods) based sandwiches!

sounds like fun to me,  

so the question is, what park, and what time?!?  Top of cricket hill
is right close to the riv, its in a park, its accessable by cta - most
working folk could get there by say 6:30ish....

any takers?!?

--Kurt

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From: Sho Kuwamoto <sho@physics.purdue.edu>
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> Hello
> 
> This is Dean from Detroit, MI (with Elephanthaus) I was wondering if you 
> guys would put a party on MW-Raves calendar for me? Heres the info
> 
> Nightcap
> presented by TC
> 
> Main Room
> Buzz bangin' Goree
> Terance Dixon
> Brian Melberg
> Acid Pimp
> Billeebob
> Mister Bill
> T-1000
> TB
> RJ
> 
> Ambient Room
> Mare
> Eric Haupt
> Johnny Saco
> Brian Gillespie
> Greg Campbell
> & More
> 
> 
> come sleep with me 
> at detroit's first underground pajama party
> 313.371.6639

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on wed. may 31 NM said:

>tell me what you think of the wicked crew.....................
>
>I went to one party (wicked) in S.F. and that was enough for me.
>
>I have never stood around so much at a party before in my life!!!
>
>I suppose I just like dancing to music that they dont spin.
>
>I dont want to dis wicked, but they arent my stlye. and being Chitown is so
>close to were Im from (detroit) Im curious as to what you all are going to
>think..............please let me know...
>
>later,
>nm


        Dude, if you ask me, Jeno is one of the greatest dj's.  He can read
a crowd so well its sick and his music is so brilliant its undescribable. 
I saw him in St. Louis last thursday and he had the whole place screaming
for 2 hours.  And Garth is another one of my top dj's.  I haven't heard
Thomas before, but I've heard good things. And Markie was good too.  I so
stoked about Perception 2.  I give total props to the Wicked crew.  Not
only only becuase their all such good dj's but also because they have
always done exactly what they wanted to do, rather than what people have
wanted them to do.   I cant wait to see what they play to Chicago too. 
Because I know they respect Chicago.  In St. Louis a friend of mine was
talking to Jeno and mentioned that he missed him one time becuase he was in
Chicago.  And Jeno replied by saying, "Well then you know whats up!"  I
think thats fuckin cool because I know in the past there has been tension
between Chicago house and San Francisco House.   I personally can't wait
until September 9! 
        Peace, Matt Wolfe


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i'm all for a netmeet...i don't know anyone here in chicago....heh
-steve


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okay some more thoughts on e.f.
as i sit here eating peach jello and drinking lemon lime gatorade :)

me and the n.u. cru got there at like noon on saturday
i remember i was really down cause i had missed my 11am spot
in the main tent :(  but we parked and stuff..wandered
around..ran into everyone..lets see..ellen and julia, the mack daddy
pimpsta aka dink :P, suzy q, jan from s.f. (hardcore!), tigger (nice meetin ya
m8), spitfire, the dj earache, the lady zoki :) and everyone else
who i forgot..

fortunately i got to spin in the main tent at 4pm alongside the dj phil..
:) yay!  happy hardcore alive in 95 :)  

musically the highlights for me were mystical influence's set from 11-12
in the main tent...oh my gawwwwwsssshh! :) :)     
and also traxx on sunday morning...puts a smile on yer face everytime.
it was phat cause you could always find something u liked given
that u had 5 tents to choose from.. :)  although that one
tent up at the top was  a bitch to get to..

did anyone take a trip into town?  we took one to use a real bathroom
all be it a shell restroom  it was nice..paitings on the walls!  hehe.
and we also visited the local supermarket..now u know u
are in hicksville when they only have 2 flavors of pop-tarts
available. ;) hehe...  nice stares from everyone... was fun :)

i think this event definitely got my interest in raves back up..
got me into some more music other than jungle/happy hardcore and house
that i had been avoiding  not that i am the gabber don now but
i can bear it.. :)

umm i duno what else to say other than i have been home this week
witha wikked flu and a 102 degree temperatuire :(
could it be a tick bite?  ack.. i better look..

peace out to everyone :)   

julian
dj casper
sick as a bastard
*cough*

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ok yall, this is from jan.  reply to her if ya want.  (jeez, i feel lika
andrew) :)
 
> thanks so much becca, for forwarding this to mw-raves for me :)
> 
> 
> hi! my name is janice delaisla (otherwise known as jan). i realize that
> most of you don't know me, but those who do suggested i post my "Even
> Furthur experience" to mw-raves. i am currently living in san francisco,
> and for 5 days and 5 nights, i flew out to the midwest for the first time
> for Even Furthur. i do not subscribe to mw-raves, so i don't know what
> other people have posted about it already, but i'd like to share what i
> thought of it.
> 
> first off...yes...the weather sucked. there was no doubt about it. it
> rained on both saturday and sunday. EVERYTHING got muddy, including your
> socks, the bottoms of your pants, your car, and let's just say that in the
> dance tents, you were most likely dancing in a mud puddle. it was very,
> very, very cold (especially for those who came unprepared), and
> unfortunately for those who couldn't take it, some people left sunday
> morning or sunday afternoon. but for those who stayed dealt with the rain
> and the coldness by dancing as much as they could. actually, i liked the
> fact that the rain and the coldness brought everyone together. i mean, we
> all agreed on something to complain about. the cold weather also meant
> more campfires (especially at night), which brought everyone closer for
> conversation...(you know what you're supposed to say when smoke gets in
> your eyes ;) hehehehe).
> 
> the rave was also supposed to be continuous, and it wasn't. complaints
> from neighboring towns called the police, and the music had to stop at
> least once every night. unfortunately, this meant that those dj's who were
> scheduled to spin, during the time the music stopped, got bumped, and had
> to reschedule. many of the dj's also did not show. i was disappointed to
> hear this, since a few of them were net-friends, and i was supposed to
> meet them for the first time. oh well...maybe another time :)  i still got
> to hear some of my other friends spin as well as some big names. and i am
> definitely not complaining about the music i heard. gabber, hardcore,
> jungle, hard acid, happy hardcore...i was in heaven! being in san
> francisco, i hear house practically at every rave, every weekend. rarely
> do i have a chance to hear anything harder. (*hint hint* send me a tape ;)
> hehehe)
> 
> speaking of meeting people, i want to thank all of those who i met!!!! it
> was soooooo cool to meet those who i was supposed to meet (namely those
> from vrave), and those who i met just by randomly going around and saying,
> "HI!" everyone made me feel welcome, and i really appreciate it. i went
> from flying out to the midwest by myself, and not knowing what anyone looked
> like, to leaving for san francisco with memories, pictures, and faces i
> can now refer to, when i talk to someone on the computer or on the phone.
> and not only were these friends were from the midwest, but also from other
> places, who had also flown in for Even Furthur as well. (a special THANK
> YOU goes out to mike virgilio, who picked my ass up at the airport, let me
> stay at his dorm, drove to wisconsin, and dropped me back at the airport at
> 8am!!!) i hope i see everyone again soon!!! (maybe at interstellar outback
> 2???) and they don't pass out 'zines out here in sf!!! those 'zines are so
> cool!!! 
> 
> i've had a few people complain about Even Furthur to me. now, i realize
> that we had to camp out in tents for a number of days. pailing water out
> from your tent and the "port-a-potties" were definitely not fun
> (especially after 4 days). and not being able to shower after sweating so
> much almost made a few people insane...but like any rave, you had to make
> of what you had. yes, there were some problems, and i am not saying that i
> was totally oblivious to them...but learning to take and deal with them
> with a grain of salt, and to feed off and to share positive vibes does a
> hell of a lot more good than to expect everything to be spoon fed to you.
> maybe it was just me...but i really had a good time! it was definitely
> worth the flight, the money, and the time out there. i'm sorry for those
> of you who didn't share the same awsome experience, and too many things
> got in the way. maybe i'm just naive, and it was my first midwest party,
> but having fun is still having fun, and was definitely having fun!!! :) 
> 
> hmmm...i think i've rambled enough...i hope i didn't bore you...and i hope
> i didn't start any flaming wars! (ack!) thanks again to all those i got to
> meet, and sorry i didn't get to say goodbye :(
> 
> 
> byebye,
> jan   (delaja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu)
> 
>  (i was the one with the long black hair,
>  in the *wonder* bread shirt fri and sat,
>  and in the Superman shirt sun and mon)
> 
> ******************************************************************************
> 
> 			"Pooh," he whispered.
> 			"Yes, Piglet?"
> 			"Nothing," he said, as 
> 			  he sidled up to Pooh.
> 			"I just want to be sure of you."
>  
> ******************************************************************************
> 
> 


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: Because I know they respect Chicago.  In St. Louis a friend of mine was
: talking to Jeno and mentioned that he missed him one time becuase he was in
: Chicago.  And Jeno replied by saying, "Well then you know whats up!"  I

They also have great respect for Detroit.  They are some of the few people
in SF I found that know Detroit for anything besides autos...


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: > 
: > Nightcap
: > presented by TC

June 10th, according to Submerge...
Guess where I'll be!



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I must have just caught them on a bad night or something.. I thought it was
just boring trance...  it was awful.. and I met one of the guys(mark) he gave
so much attitude..... no respect....anyway.. like I said maybe it was a bad
night

Im willing to ck it out again Robert.. I trust you...................

later,
nm

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From: Jon Yankovich <jovian@flansburgh.wisc.edu>
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Someone suggested that the Big Green Laser was a 40-Watt Argon laser.

I heard it was a 5-watt Helium laser, but I'm interested in getting the  
exact specs on that mothafuckah. Anyone know for sure, or have an educated  
guess?

-jon

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From: grandma@wsp1.wspice.com (AJA)
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i'm here in memphis for the next couple of months... are there any 
netravers here??? email me to my address...

as for the bao... yep... orlando... i heard he was coming to memphis... 
can anyone confirm this???


grandma



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  1 15:12:44 1995
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From: Rebecca Jill Maslow <rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>
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ok, this is a question to you chicago ppl, so if you are not from there go
ahead and delete this...

i have a friend who is looking  to go out to chi-town this summer.  what
i'm looking for is if anyone has any information about jobs and housing
that is available.  this guy is really awesome and i want to help him out.
so if you have any info i would really appreciate it.  any job is desired,
even 14 hours cleaning dishes, he's not choosy at all.
thanks for the help, ya'll are awesome.
ps. adam, i know you have info i could use.
-becca


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  1 20:14:14 1995
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Orbit is back, al least for June 9th.

Main DJ with be......


John Aquaviva

+ local Kentucky DJs.

For more info call 502.569.1969



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From: styLEN <stylen@netcom.com>
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Alright all you acid house lovers....here's the new shit from one of the 
finest.....

Live In Madison, DJ Hyperactive---new tape that is about 50 mins of a 
live PA from a Friday night Madison show in March.

Chicago Beat Freak, Contact 002---New 12" which contains one track from 
Hyperactive, one track from Justin Long, and two tracks from DJ Boris.  
If you heard the first Contact release then you know to expect of the 
second, some amazing, innovative acid tracks.

coming soon to a record store near you...

New Communique featuring the Somoan Acid Stomper....

You can mail order all these from Hip House, (312) 237-2188, ask for Joe.

Also for sale is a Sequential Circuits Pro-1 for $350. If anyone is 
interested.....

anyone else with some new favorite releases?

Peace,
styLEN

p.s. thanks to earache for the time on the tables!



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On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, styLEN wrote:

> 
> Alright all you acid house lovers....here's the new shit from one of the 
> finest.....
> 
> Live In Madison, DJ Hyperactive---new tape that is about 50 mins of a 
> live PA from a Friday night Madison show in March.
> 
> Chicago Beat Freak, Contact 002---New 12" which contains one track from 
> Hyperactive, one track from Justin Long, and two tracks from DJ Boris.  
> If you heard the first Contact release then you know to expect of the 
> second, some amazing, innovative acid tracks.
> 
> coming soon to a record store near you...
> 
> New Communique featuring the Somoan Acid Stomper....
> 
> You can mail order all these from Hip House, (312) 237-2188, ask for Joe.
> 
> Also for sale is a Sequential Circuits Pro-1 for $350. If anyone is 
> interested.....
> 
> anyone else with some new favorite releases?

	Yes, I like the new Midwest Hardcorp. Ep vol 2 a lot. There are some
pretty smooth tracks on this ep from drop bass network.

    daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
    tech135@menudo.uh.edu |      HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
    tech137/daniel on hyperreal.com 7283


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  2 00:46:24 1995
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 >How bout a dinner-style picnic?!?  Its june, it may be more than 50 deg. in
>chicago (although thats doubtful ;-) there are some parks around....we could
>all lie around in the grass, chat, listen to the birds - try and ignore the
>traffic, and eat mayo (condiment of the gods) based sandwiches!
>
>sounds like fun to me,  
>
>so the question is, what park, and what time?!?  Top of cricket hill
>is right close to the riv, its in a park, its accessable by cta - most
>working folk could get there by say 6:30ish....
>
>any takers?!?
>
>--Kurt


Sounds good to me too. I'm up for it if everyone else is...Dave? :D

Lucy


   


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The flyer I have lists it as a 5 watt argon laser.  I pretty sure that's
what it was too because I think argon lasers are green, helium ones being
orange or some other color.

Kent


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tonight Friday june 2 at 9pm

the Big Goathead Club opens its doors to all ages

the goathead is located at 306 north grand river

in the Old Town District of Lansing

dj are all E.L. locals - so show your support

lineup:  Reverand Loverman, cap'n, Heath Brunner(VMax)

and heres the best part- just 4.00 all nite.

** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **

tommorow Saturday june 3 at 10pm


this ones in E.L. at 723 W. Grand River at harrison rd

call 333-9700 and use box spot\7768 for more info

djs:  jamie willis, Heath brunner & more local talent t.b.a.

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Dan,
	Can you tell me who is on the MidWest HardCorps vol2?

					Jordan

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On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Daniel K. Taylor wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, styLEN wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Alright all you acid house lovers....here's the new shit from one of the 
> > finest.....
> > 
> > Live In Madison, DJ Hyperactive---new tape that is about 50 mins of a 
> > live PA from a Friday night Madison show in March.
> > 
> > Chicago Beat Freak, Contact 002---New 12" which contains one track from 
> > Hyperactive, one track from Justin Long, and two tracks from DJ Boris.  
> > If you heard the first Contact release then you know to expect of the 
> > second, some amazing, innovative acid tracks.
> > 
> > coming soon to a record store near you...
> > 
> > New Communique featuring the Somoan Acid Stomper....
> > 
> > You can mail order all these from Hip House, (312) 237-2188, ask for Joe.
> > 
> > Also for sale is a Sequential Circuits Pro-1 for $350. If anyone is 
> > interested.....
> > 
> > anyone else with some new favorite releases?
> 
> 	Yes, I like the new Midwest Hardcorp. Ep vol 2 a lot. There are some
> pretty smooth tracks on this ep from drop bass network.
> 
>     daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
>     tech135@menudo.uh.edu |      HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
>     tech137/daniel on hyperreal.com 7283
> 




From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  2 07:16:30 1995
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From: earache@beatphreak.com (Professor Earache)
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>Chicago Beat Freak, Contact 002---New 12" which contains one track from 

Beat what???? :)

>p.s. thanks to earache for the time on the tables!

Hay no problem, thanks for spinning:)  

earache
beatPHREAKsociety


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On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jon Yankovich wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:41:20 -0500
> From: Jon Yankovich <jovian@flansburgh.wisc.edu>
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
> Subject: The EF Laser
> 
> 
> Someone suggested that the Big Green Laser was a 40-Watt Argon laser.
> 
> I heard it was a 5-watt Helium laser, but I'm interested in getting the  
> exact specs on that mothafuckah. Anyone know for sure, or have an educated  
> guess?
> 
> -jon
> 

from everything i heard it was a 40 watt argon...some of my friends 
talked to the laser guys and they said that they had to aim it up in the 
trees cuz the beam was hot enough to burn people...cool ;)

john


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From: pittsj@UWSTOUT.EDU (Justin Morgan)
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Some of my favorite memories of evenfurthur:

        Earache spinning in the BPS tent.  Crazy ass gabba muther.

While I was watching jong spin, some guy asked me who he was.  "That's
earache from minneapolis" I replied.  He looked thoughtfull for a bit and
then said; "That is one BAD motherfucker"

                (how big is yer head now, jong?) ;)

Another interesting memory..

        In search of firewood, Jong and I found a rather large dead tree.
Utilizing my machette, Jong decided this was the tree to take and started
hacking at it all the while screaming "GABBER!"

And another memory:

        The BeatPhreak Generator was about to run out of gasoline.  This
was like 2am on friday I believe.  So we get into a jeep (I forgot who it
belonged to) and went into Lakewood to find gas.  It was right around
barclosing time so we had drunks to deal with.  We pull up to a couple who
seemed involved in some sort of lovers strife conversation.  "hey, can you
tell us where we can get some gasoline?"  One of us asked.. "Sorry pal,
can't help you." The surly lover replied.  "Well, you see, we have this
wall of sound that is out of gas, and we really need some"  The driver of
the Jeep pleaded.  "Sorry pal, can't help you..."  was the reply.  Never
mind that Jong and MirrorDave were tripping balls at this time.  We then
got harrased by drink drivers flashing their bright lights at us and
following closely.  Jong and Mirror were not impressed.  ;)

People were rad.  Prototype909 were VERY friendly.  Nice guys.
The BeatPhreakCamp was rad.  Loved it.

        People in general were very cool.  Except for the guy who told me
that my clothing ensemble was " so seventh grade. "  At least I was having
fun and not worrying about what other people were wearing.  There was alot
of bullshit going on, like Jong said, but as a whole, it was wonderfull.  I
didn't want to leave.


I'm not going to mention my 90 dollar speeding ticked either.





                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
                                 web collective/beatPHREAKsociety



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On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Jordan Trais wrote:
> Dan,
> 	Can you tell me who is on the MidWest HardCorps vol2?
> 
> 					Jordan
> 
>            -+-+-+-+***AstroCat Productions***+-+-+-+-
>        <---------< Sound and Music Production >-------->
>           Fax:312.772.2065/email:astrocat@infochi.com
>              +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Midwest Hardcorps 2: DBN026
1. A-Space (Astrocat - 2 Shades Mix)
2. Buried Alive (Delta 9)
3. White Light (Drew Young)
4. Aliens (Slide - Yanu & Haskin Mix)

    daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
    tech135@menudo.uh.edu |      HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
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    nothing ever changes . . . progress is a myth

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Hey gang-

Just wanted to remind everyone about "Shanti 2" which is going on in Racine
(1/2 way between Chicago and Milwaukee) this Saturday from noon until 9pm. 
This is absolutely free with a canned food donation.  If you went to Shanti
last year, you probably remember that despite a short downpour, it was a really
good time.  If you're heading to Chicago for "2001...a Bass Oddysey" definitely
try and check this out first. Day Raves are THE SHIT. 

The info for this is the drop bass voice mail- 414-777-3998

Hope to see you there.
Kimm

P.S. There are too many DJs to list them all.


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I thought I'd send this to the list, with ll the summer parties coming up
and such.  Read and heed.

- stevenJ

___________________________________
In a technologically-induced stupor, Steve J White flatly stated...
::From aragorn  Fri Jun  2 15:05:03 1995
::Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:05:03 -0500
::From: Steve J White <aragorn>
::Message-Id: <199506022005.PAA02043@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
::To: aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
::
::Subject: What to do if Stopped
::
::       Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
::
::                         from Slingshot Legal Notes
::
::
::                WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET STOPPED BY THE POLICE
::
::The legal system in the US is one arm of the octopus we call "The System." It
::was designed by and is used for the benefit of those who control the society.
::It was not designed to protect the "rights" of those who oppose capitalism or
::business as usual. 
::
::Because of various historical accidents, there are aspect of the law that, at
::least in theory, protect individual "liberties." The law presumes, however,
::that everyone knows what these protections are and if you don't know what they
::are, it is very easy to "waive" these rights. Therefore, in the interest of
::giving us all an equal chance when we're confronted by the cops, here are some
::thoughts on the law of police stops and searches.
::
::This article is based on how things are supposed to be "in theory." The
::reality is that police can and will do anything they want out on the street.
::And they won't hesitate to lie about it later on. 
::
::But some cops are worse than others and a lot of them may treat you
::differently if they think you know your rights. The police depend on fear and
::intimidation to get what they want. Don't let them get away with more than
::they are allowed to because of fear.
::
::If you run into a really bad cop, talking back to him and standing up for your
::rights might get you beaten up or killed, so be careful about the realistic
::limits of "the law" and of your rights in America. The cops are perhaps the
::most dangerous members of our society so pay attention when you talk to them.
::What if I get stopped by the cops?
::
::When a police officer stops you on the street, the law says that the stop will
::fall into one of 3 categories: consensual contact, detention and arrest. Which
::one you're in determines how badly they can fuck with you. 
::
::At one end is a "consensual contact." This means that the officer comes up to
::you and says "can I speak with you?" If you say "yes," you have consented to
::have contact with the police. That is very bad. The result of such "consent"
::is that you won't have various "rights" under the Constitution. 
::
::ESPECIALLY if you think you may be guilty of something (you have a  warrant
::out on you, you are carrying drugs, you just did something  illegal), NEVER
::consent to talk to a police officer. This sounds  backward. The normal impulse
::when confronted with a cop is to be  polite and try to convince them that you
::aren't doing anything. If  you follow such an impulse, you are unlikely to
::actually convince  the officer and if the cop gets you on something, you won't
::be able  to get out of it later on in court. Never voluntarily talk to the 
::police!
::
::If you don't think you are guilty of anything, it still isn't a good idea to
::consensually talk to the cop. You never know how the conversation will end up.
::And if people figure "well, I'm not guilty of anything so I'll let the police
::stop me and ask me a few questions now and then" the police state will be on
::the march. Further, it will encourage the idea that people who don't want to
::talk to the police have something to hide. How do I avoid a consensual
::contact?
::
::If the cop asks, "can I talk to you" say something like "I'm sorry, I'm in a
::hurry and I don't have time to talk to you right now." If the cop insists, ask
::him "Are you detaining me? Am I free to leave?" 
::
::Ask this several times to make sure the cop will have a hard time lying and
::saying you didn't mention it later on if you get to court. If it is really a
::consensual contact, the officer ought to let you go on your way if you ask to
::go. If you don't actually verbally ask to leave, the court will presume that
::you consented to whatever follows.
::
::                        Police detentions
::
::The next category of citizen/police contact is called a detention. The police
::are only allowed to detain a citizen when there are "specific and articulable
::facts supporting suspicion" that you are involved in criminal activity. 
::
::This means that they can't detain you on a "hunch." "Specific and articulable
::facts" (SAF) means that the police must have observed something about your
::behavior and character that links you with specific criminal activity. If the
::police detain you without SAF, the detention is illegal and whatever they
::obtain as a result of the detention (evidence or arrest) cannot be used
::against you in court. How does this all work in practice?
::
::Suppose the police stop you because it is late at night, you are walking
::around the city, "you look at them funny", look "strange" or are homeless or
::the wrong color. 
::
::The officer says "Excuse me, may I talk to you?" You say alright. You have
::just consented to talk to the police. If the officer notices after talking to
::you for a while that you have spray paint on your finger or wheatpaste on you
::clothing, or notices a bulge in your coat, the officer can find cause to
::detain you and could eventually arrest you.
::
::If, however, you said "no, I have to go" the officer is supposed to let you go
::because he or she doesn't have SAF that you are involved in criminal activity
::just because you look funny and it is nighttime. The courts have found all of
::the facts mentioned above insufficient to justify a detention.
::
::If the cop says, "well, you can't go" or otherwise detains you, then if they
::do find reason to arrest you, you may be able to avoid the penalty because the
::original detention was illegal. If the officer detains you and finds nothing,
::you should complain to the city, the "police review commission" in your town
::(if there is one) and you should let COPWATCH know about what happened.
::(510-548-0425.)
::
::Often (except as noted below), when you start throwing around terms like
::"detention" and "specific and articulable facts" the cop is going to lay off.
::A lot of the police's power is intimidation and the public's ignorance. 
::
::It is crucial that you let the officer know that you are not "consenting" to
::talk to him and that the only way you will talk to him is if he detains you. 
::
::There may be SAF in some circumstances. If you rob a bank wearing red pants
::and a string tie and are spotted 15 minutes later in those same clothes
::carrying a white money bag reported missing by the bank, the police will
::probably have SAF. There is nothing illegal about a police detention if they
::have SAF, but not just anything is a "specific and articulable fact"
::supporting suspicion that you are involved in criminal activity. The facts
::have to be very specific. 
::
::A lot of "police harassment" situations involve the police stopping people
::because they "look wrong" and then going on "fishing expeditions" looking for
::a valid reason to arrest which they didn't have at the beginning of the stop.
::Don't give the officer a chance to find anything out--"Just Say No." What if
::the officer asks to search?
::
::More serious than consensual contact and detention is an arrest. For an
::arrest, the police need a high level of suspicion of your involvement in
::criminal activity. If you are arrested, the police can search you as part of
::the arrest. 
::
::If the officer asks to search you without arresting you, you can say "no." The
::police have the right to search for weapons if they feel in danger of being
::attacked. They are not allowed to search people for other items. In a lot of
::cases the police ask to search someone and obtain "consent" to search. Even
::though the search isn't justified, it will be legal because the citizen didn't
::object and therefore "consent" is presumed.
::
::If the officer asks to search you or any of your property, tell them you don't
::have a weapon and ask if you are under arrest or if they have a warrant. If
::you aren't and they don't, tell them "I would rather not let you search." They
::may ask many times and seem to be acting with complete authority. Just Say No.
::You will not let them search you unless they arrest you or have a warrant, and
::you don't have a weapon.
::
::If they do and search anyway and find something, you may be able to escape
::the penalty later in court. If the cop is obeying the law, they should leave
::you alone. The fact that you refused to be searched does not make you more
::"suspicious" and give them an excuse to search. 
::
::Of course as stated above, the police may ignore all of these laws and they
::may be less than polite and non-violent. When a cop gets out of control, deal
::with it carefully. But don't voluntarily consent to either a search or a
::detention. 
::
::
::Slingshot
::700 Eshleman Hall
::Berkeley, CA 94702
::
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trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
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Just a quick question:  Does anybody from the chicago area know of a good place
to campout?  Are there any state parks or camp grounds around?  Couldn't make
it to Furthur, but hoping to live it up in Chicago this weekend. :)  Thanks for
any help I can get.


							-Eric
							Roesnere@Carleton.edu

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From: Jordan Trais <astrocat@infochi.infochi.com>
Subject: Re: New Hyperactive
To: "Daniel K. Taylor" <tech135@Menudo.UH.EDU>
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Dan,
	Thanks, I wasn't sure if I was on this 12" or not. Sometimes
things get lost in the shuffle.

					Jordan

           -+-+-+-+***AstroCat Productions***+-+-+-+-
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On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Daniel K. Taylor wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Jordan Trais wrote:
> > Dan,
> > 	Can you tell me who is on the MidWest HardCorps vol2?
> > 
> > 					Jordan
> > 
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> Midwest Hardcorps 2: DBN026
> 1. A-Space (Astrocat - 2 Shades Mix)
> 2. Buried Alive (Delta 9)
> 3. White Light (Drew Young)
> 4. Aliens (Slide - Yanu & Haskin Mix)
> 
>     daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
>     tech135@menudo.uh.edu |      HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
>     tech137/daniel on hyperreal.com 7283 +texas hardcore coalition+
>     nothing ever changes . . . progress is a myth




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Hey girlssss...:)

I haven't been reading my mail but I'm going to family Affair....is there a
net meet palnned there?  and also, could anyone put up me and two others?
:)  If so, that'd be cool!   :)  thanks..

Lucy


   


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Is anyone heading to the Day Rave tommorrow from Chicago?  I have this funny
feeling my ride is going to bail out on me...

Thanks a lot.

Ed

"Sex X Technology = The Future"


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well... i found out about the bao thingy...
     
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Having looked into lasers for my multimedia productiion project <you can 
convert 3D DXF files into laser rojections..in real time>, i would guess 
this was a 5 watt helium laser, as 40 wATTS IS VERY FUCKING POWERFUL, TO 
THE POINT of needing permits just to own one. Not that that would stop 
most of us, but...


Ted


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------  Overheard: "This guy ROCKS!!!"  ------   duh.

There's not much to do on stage when the only action is that of programmed
midi sequences flowing through computers. I guess that's why moby screamed
"love" or something like that over and over again throughout several of the
songs.

The power went out about an hour into the show and didn't come back on for
15 or 20 minutes. He covered by doing some acoustic drum rhythms along with
his *2* backup drummers.

I really got into "Go", "Move" and "Thousand" but for the most part, I
don't know what to think of the show.
Was anyone else there? I'd be interested to know what you thought.

Maybe I'm embarassing myself terribly by even talking about Moby on this list.

hmmm...

- mike



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Just got off the phone with JJ.

Apparently something is happening in the Windsor area Sunday afternoon.  "small, vibey, maybe 100 people".  Sounds yummy.

Call 810-546-2338 for the recorded message and more info.

And if you can take JJ with you, call him at 606-266-9714.  (He's in Lexington)






It's About The Music

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That must be for Rich's B.D.
Tell him Jon& Nancy said Happy B.D.(wish we could be there)

later,
nm

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>Maybe I'm embarassing myself terribly by even talking about Moby on this list.
>
>hmmm...
>
>- mike

Prolly not, but if this were the gabber list, we'd be eating you for lunch ;)

earache


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could someone forward me the latest mw-calender...   i mistakinly deleted 
mine:(
thanx-doc

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Are there any Raves sat. night in Detroit or Windsor or any where close?
                                     -Tracy

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I am looking for a video mixer. Can someone send me e-mail about where I can
get one and for how much..

French E


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man, how do they get this?... ok, some of you may read spin and have
already seen this, but for those of you who haven't...
from Spin, July 1994 issue.

Techno auteur Plastikman, a.k.a. Richie Hawtin, was detained for over two
hours and then turned away at the U.S.-Canada border on April 20.  The
London, Ontario,native's destination was New York City, where he was to be
the premier DJ at a rave sponsored by Voyager in the bowels of the
Brooklyn Bridge on April 22.  Due to the bombing of the Federal building
in Oklahoma City the day before, security at the border had been stepped
up, and Hawtin's shaved head and techno gadgetry aroused suspicion.  "The
back of the car was full of electronic stuff," said Hawtin, "so it didn't
look to good."

wow, man, i dunno.  hard to believe i read this in spin.  oh well.  just
thought ya'll would be interested.  we all knew this anyway.
-becca


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   A pal 'o mine let me borrow his new hyperactive: live in madison '95 
tape and although i think it is a good tape i don't think he is at his 
best in it.  if i had to choose which hyperactive mix tape is his best 
out of the ones i have heard i would have to say it is heavy mental.  
it's one of the best acid/gabber mixes i have yet to be priveledged to 
listen to.  just my 2 cents.  later

   brenT

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  4 16:53:08 1995
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Mike Wasisco writes:

>I really got into "Go", "Move" and "Thousand" but for the most part, I
>don't know what to think of the show.
>Was anyone else there? I'd be interested to know what you thought.
>
>Maybe I'm embarassing myself terribly by even talking about Moby on this list.

And so am I for responding. Well, every town has it's fools.

That show sucked donkey dicks. Downstairs at the shelter was fun though.

Miles

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woo-woo!

	FREEFALL was exactly what i needed this weekend and i had a wonderful 
time last night. the site was in new albany indianna rather than louisville,
but it was close enough to suit me. i arrived with some friends of mine, 
marissa, rique and his brother jay, around 12:30 or so and got in for free
thanks to the netters list (thanks josh!!), and i believe benman was right in
the middle of his set. the space was small but very comfortable for the size
of the crowd. there was a fenced in gravel area outside, which was kinda hard 
to dance on, but was a nice area to cool off and rest for a while. i spent most
of my time inside dancing, really only coming outside to cool off or chat with
ppl, so i missed a lot of who was spinning outside. 

	inside i believe was a small restaurant that had been cleared out. the 
lights were simple and have it a cozy effect, and whoever was in charge of the
smoke machine knew when to use it, no black stuff for me :). there was plenty
of room to dance and move, plus there were benches set up along the edge to 
rest, which i definitely needed by the end of the night!

	although i only met up with 3 netters (2 of which were with me plus 
josh) i met a ton of ppl and the vibe was definitely there!! :) everybody was
dancing and having a good time, the ppl sitting on the sides outside or in 
were mostly taking a break or chattin. 

	if it says anything for the dj's, i danced all night until my knees
started going out on me :(. the first one b/c of a lovely rugby accident, and 
by the end of the night the other wasn't feeling to good b/c of all the pressure
put on it from trying to keep off the first *sheesh* :} (andrew, don't say
_anything_! :P )

	i _really_ enjoyed josh foley's set, which came on a little while 
after i got there and really got me up and dancing my butt off :). a little 
while after that spanky and alfalfa did some very nice tag-teaming, and i know 
sometime after that i saw mutt up there spinning a great set also. who came on
when exactly is pretty jumbled in my mind, but the music kept me dancing till 
around 8:00am when my need for food and my ability to stand being next to nill
drove me to go find somethign to eat and my bed (ahh!)

	i wanted to thank steve and josh and whoever else helped out to set 
this up, i really enjoyed myself! it was exactly what i needed this weekend!
keep in touch and a great big 'hi' and *HUG* to all the ppl i met/saw there!
thanks for the wonderful vibe!!

katerina/Queen Cuddleslut
tamburkm@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
*HUG*CUDDLE*HUG*


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This is what that brenT chap stated:
>    A pal 'o mine let me borrow his new hyperactive: live in madison '95 
> tape and although i think it is a good tape i don't think he is at his 
> best in it.  if i had to choose which hyperactive mix tape is his best 
> out of the ones i have heard i would have to say it is heavy mental.  
> it's one of the best acid/gabber mixes i have yet to be priveledged to 
> listen to.  just my 2 cents.  later

If that is the one Im thinking of, isn't there very little 
gabber?


mint


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   hi.
   i am concise, so i'll be concise.
   i had fun on Sat. nite at freefall in Louisville, Ky.
   the party was small, maybe 70 ppl.  the best kind.  close-knit vibe.
   the lighting was minimal, the dj's were pretty much unknowns but still
   pretty good.  they really kept the Nrgy up, especially Ben from Better
   Days Records and Josh Foley (who BTW keeps getting betta N betta so don't
   be surprised if he headlines a party sometime in the future).
   i met a lotta cool ppl.  Again, small parties ARE the answer...the savior
   of the scene throughout all parts of the MidWest.  Spread the word.
   Latah

                                                           Rique




an' i woulda gotten away with it if it weren't for
!!!!!THOSE MEDDLING KIDS!!!!!

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        I was away for a week following the EF thing, so my thoughts have
kind of been fried out on the topic, but a few thoughts:

        It was good and bad for me, like everyone else, I won't beat to
death the stuff that's already been discussed... weather, mud, parking,
ticks, full shitters, etc.  ;)

        My group drove north from Lansing, across the Macinac bridge and
all across the upper penninsula on US-2, a beautiful drive that views Lake
Michigan almost the whole way, with the sun setting down over the lake and
beach, it was very cool.  THen the decent into Wisco. and we found the
party very easily.  It took an hour longer than it would have driving thru
Chicago and Milw., but it was worth it to have the view and *NO* traffic at
all.  We got there when it started and left when it was done, yikes!   I
sing praises to the Gore-Tex gods for a weekend of personal dryness.  This
was not the weather for your fuzzy white fur coat, as those people soon
found out.

        A high point for me was Sat night in the "live tent."  In the main
tent, after Frankie Bones finished spinning, then some super-hardcore DJ
came on next (that I didn't care for at all) so we fled the main tent, and
into the "live tent" --  the red and white striped one, where there was a
live Tr*p-Hop/Experimental Hip hop live thing going on.  That was seriously
the grooviest vibe I felt all weekend.  One DJ cutting and scratching old
jazz and ANCIENT mantronix records, one guy playing drum-pads and a
keyboard with triggers and pre-sampled loops and stuff, and one bassist. 
they were all just grooving off each other, jazz-improv style, reminded me
of that Mo'Wax sound.  Hip-Hop and deep housey sound, very positive and I'm
surprised no one else taked about this.  Tons of people were packed in
there to stay dry, dancing.  Later we asked them what they were called, or
if they had a tape.  THey said "Mmm" cause everyone's name in the band
started with "M", so for a lame name they used "MMM".  But damn their music
was Mmm-Mmm good, like some Campbell's chicken noodle soup and shit.  :)

        That was the night of that green laser in the rain, and it was
indeed beautiful.

        I have to say this, I know it's subjective, but I can't believe
people still listen to that "happy hardcore" shit, how terrible IMHO. 
THose early 90's "rave" breakdowns, and to make it even worse, throw in
some Alvin and the Chipmunks samples, and make sure to use the words "'appy
'ardcore" in every song.  Esssch.  Please nobody bring that shit across
Lake Michigan.  ;)  Okay, sorry for the negativity, we're all entitled to
our music preference.

        Early Saturday I talked with Michigan DJ's Kikoman, Fannon Flowers,
cool to see them there.  Kiko did a good set, and BTW now has a record out,
too.
 Traxx was spinning Sat. morning also.

        On sunday I enjoyed walking around to all the different smaller
tents, the BeatPhreak tent had the dopest sound system "wall" there, to be
sure.  Sunday night in the main tent I enjoyed Prototype 909's live P.A.,
and David Hollands totally ripped shit up all over the turntables, until
the sheriff came up behind him with a flashlight and did the old "party's
over" routine.  I resisted the urge to snap a photo of this, cause this
trooper looked like it was wayyyy past his bedtime.   :)

        But I do have a ton of photos of lots of stuff, (incl. many of
Prototype 909) that I can scan and give to someone if they add an E.F. page
to the mw-raves WWW page or whatever.  And Dave Hollands, I got doubles so
if you want some action shots of you on the crossfader then give me your
snail-mail address when you get to NY or whatever.  :)

        Also I met a really nice house DJ named Chris that was at the top of the
really steep hill, not the wide hill with the white van on top, but the
narrower, steeper hill.  They had their own light show and were playing
excellent tracks all Sunday night.  He brought his own PA and lights, but
their generator needed oil and eventually went silent.  He is from Milw. 
If anyone knows what Chris' last name or how I can get in touch with him,
please contact me.

        All in all, I dunno, it was hard to fight the rain all weekend but
somehow we managed to keep that fire going, both literally and
figuratively.

          I'll add my complaint to others:  waaaay to many people were
no-shows here, a lot of talent was on the flyer and promoted and didn't
show, for weather reasons of maybe they got bumped or whatever, but that
was too bad.  I wanted to see a live P.A. by Bunker records Beverly Hills
808303, did they ever make it out of the Chicago airport er what?  What
about Spiral Tribe?  I might have been snoozin' (?)  And please nobody else
ask me if I want to buy an extra-small Superstars of Love T-shirt.   ;)

        Yes, of course I accidentally missed the enormous EF net-meet,
sorry I missed the chance to meet so many of you.  But, on a nice note, it
*was* sunny as we drove home Monday across Michigan's U.P.   Kim G. and I
stopped along the beach to rejuvinate in the warmth, it was nice, kicking
Juan Atkins and even some Planet Rock.   :)  

peace.

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uh... how much?

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Ok, following Matt's post re: EF will be difficult but I'll try to stick to
my own subjectations (!) and away from the already-bandied facts.

Melissa and I got there VERY early, around 4:30pm, Friday.  We simply walked
around getting a feel for our surroundings.  I must admit, the excitement
level ALL week previous was oh so strong.  This event lived up to my
expectations (as if you know what those were, anyway ;-).

As the music was switched on (I don't recall exactly when) more people
started filing into the ski hill area.  By the time darkness started to
settle in the energy level shot through the roof!  One could feel everyone's
anticipation of a good time; it was in the air and *thick*.

I'm not even going to try and deal with who I saw spin/perform and didn't. I
stopped keeping track very early on.  The most memorable experiences all
weekend were simply (actually, I shouldn't say simply) meeting up with old
friends and meeting new friends (see above statement re: expectations).  

Melissa and I helped the beatPhreak folks set up their ROCKING sound system
and hung out waiting for things to get powered up there.  We shared coffee
from the Magic Percolator of Love{tm} and had nice chats about various
things ravey and non-ravey.  The down side of the Minn. cru was that I
didn't get to hear their live sets.

But I *did* get to spin in the green/white striped tent at ~2am, Saturday
morning.  I got to play for about an hour before the cops showed up; they
must have been jealous of not getting on the turntables all night as they
proceeded to shut down the sound system in this tent.  They gave some excuse
about not wanting any more than one sound system being powered up for rest
of the night.  Yeah right.  (Ok, you can turn off your sarcasm filters, now).

The first night of (non)sleep was interesting.  There was so much jungle
being played while I was trying to nap at ~4am that my dreams were fitful,
to say the least.  Actually, now that I think of it, there was very little
sound going on the first night.  Jungle tings were playing Saturday night,
though.

The next day was filled with meeting even *more* people wired and
non-wired.  Again, I won't even try to get everyone's names here.  You know
who you are and it was very cool finally pressing the flesh beyond the LCD.
This was the best thing about the weekend.  By Saturday all ego and 'tude
had (refreshingly) vanished and new friendships were being formed as well as
old ones being strengthened.  It was truly a happy sight for this
scene-weary dancer.

I wanted desperately to get to spin on top of the big hill but we ended up
leaving Sunday morning.  I can deal with wet, and I can deal with cold, but
put the two together and I'm outta there.  

To sum up, experiencing all that wonderful music with trusting, caring
friends was...  well, words don't do it justice, as is often the case in here.

	* * * * *

Lately I've been spending a lot of time thinking about the whole
scene/spirituality/money-grubbing rants going on in here.  I won't step
backwards and rehash.  You've seen it.  

What I do want to say is something often said, but rarely taken to heart and
carried to action.  We have to understand the nature of any underground
scene to realize what needs to be done to keep things moving.  Now, I say
'moving' because, naturally, our scene will go through changes, like any
social phenomenon.  But what sort of changes will occur?  Simply development
into 'something else' or sticking to a mindset to keep the scene going?  I',
not harping back on plur again, just trying to keep our focus.

I went to Shanti II this past weekend and, maybe because it was outside,
felt a lot of similar things as I did during Even Furthur.  Very friendly
people grooving under one sun simply to groove under one sun.  Pretty
simple, eh?  We were priveledged to hear Tripper Info. Systems and the
Racine National Drum/Scratch Collective do their schtick.  Wow.  For ~45
minutes I was taken somewhere else, until I finally had to get involved,
grab a conga and get into the action.  Malcolm had his gear, two dj's
scratching and a number of people (your author included) pounding away on
the skins.  What an experience.  There were even people walking up from
around the park simply to hear/see what the hell was going on and where that
feeling was coming from.  There was this woman sitting next to me listening
and watching Malcolm choreograph the whole thing.  Her son proceeded to try
to pry her away from the crowd because he was obviously agitated by the
music.  I wanted to say something to him but, again, words evaded me.  Why
does this keep happening?

Also this weekend, I hung out at the (almost empty) Capers in Racine.  I
gotta tell ya, this little weekend shindig is gonna end up being something way
cool.  Mark my words.  Make sure to get to Ellen's Graduravation thingy this
coming Sunday.  Yours truly will be on the 1200s with Steven Kaye and
others, along with Tripper Info. Systems.  Expect more (and more often)
little gatherings at this bar/club thingy in the future.

Ok, I'm done.  Stick a fork in me.

- stevenJ

OnNow: Pictures at an Exhibition, Mussorgsky


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C. Jason Clark
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I had a blast at Even Further, despite some downers, most were uppers.

UPPERS:
Surviving the shitty weather
Meeting SO MANY cool people
that big green laser in the sky Saturday night
the VIBE

DOWNERS
Surviving the shitty weather
Sound getting turned off in the middle of the night
Nitrous Oxide - (i saw some of the promoters bitching at some people for bringi
ng nitrous, and then Sunday night in the main tent, what do i see?) $5 balloons
brings the vibe WAY down, IMHO.
Not getting to any of the Net meets, i suck.


One question: Who was the DJ/band that played Sunday night right before
Prototype 909? Oh my God! it was incredible.

All in all, EF was the shit. Looking Forward to Family Affair & IO2.

Also got to stop in Six Flags last Tuesday on the way home...yeee ha!

Peace...

Jason


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Okay, can't believe I didn't mention this, but maybe it sort of leaked out
in my last post: 

but what totally made EF so bearable and even fun (!) - despite the weather
conditions - was the group of very close friends I was with.  Some had been
to lots of parties with me, others had never even been to one.  It all came
down to depending on *each other* (not necess. the hired talent) for fun
and support and keeping ourselves entertained when the music was lame, or
even shut off, etc.  This was sort of "The Last Hurrahh" for this group
before 2 of my best friends graduated from Mich. State, and split off to
get "real" jobs and live in Oregon, quite probably for the rest of their
lives.  So I know that personally, my fun time was not as dependent on the
scheduled entertainment, as it was dependent on each other as friends.
(Awwwww.)  

Yeah, I know it's nothing that hasn't been said before, but it was really
personal this time, I guess.  We had to look to each other, not always the
DJ booth, for that seriously great internal vibe.

Quick, someone yank my account before I get even more sappy    ;>

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  5 14:34:50 1995
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steven, at the end of a very interesting post on EF and more, wrote:

> OnNow: Pictures at an Exhibition, Mussorgsky

Uh, Steve, is that the original piano version, or the super phat
Orchestral re-mix?

<chuckle>

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In a technologically-induced stupor, CJCLAR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU flatly stated...
::
::One question: Who was the DJ/band that played Sunday night right before
::Prototype 909? Oh my God! it was incredible.

I believe that was Milwaukee Creative Music Ensemble.



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In a technologically-induced stupor, Ian Malbon flatly stated...
::
::Uh, Steve, is that the original piano version, or the super phat
::Orchestral re-mix?

It was the full-blown, Supercalifragilistic Rave-yo-booty Orchestrama Remix
by the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra.   ;-)



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Evolution presents : "Water of Live"

June 9th 1995

Louisville, KY

DJ's are :

John Aquaviva (4 hour set)
Kell (Lexington)
Leviathan (Louisville)
French E (from another planet)

Info line : 502.569.1969

Water starts flowing at 10 pm.



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        sozit final? cricket hill? 6:30?

        wooooo! someone leeme know!

        I can't wait to meet you all!

        -mike



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In a blatant act of escapism I spent the last week in Cincinatti, and had 
one hell of a good time. Met some excellent people and generally dug the 
scene. Here's where we went:

Sunday the 28th we went to the Warehouse to see Mystic Bill and Traxx, 
neither of who showed <big surprise> since they were getting muddy in 
Wisconsin. Justin Long showed up and rocked some hardhouse as well as 
some classics, people were flexin, bumpin...Nice. Toast spun in the front 
room for maybe 45 minutes in the front room and abso-fuggin-lutely tore 
the hell out of the place. the crowd was freaking out everytime he mixed 
in another track, straight hip-hop, lotsa old-school. I've never seen 
that place go off like that. Hard to beleive the warehouse could actually 
be cool. Damon spun a pretty wicked set of slow breaks as well as some 
house, and I think Ari may have got on for a bit, soory I was a bit 
distracted by a strategically placed square foot of black latex rubber. 
My apologies to anyone who tried to converse with me there, like i said 
I was a bit twitterpated. Yeh.
Next day we kicked it in the park with about 50 people, enjoyed the 
sunshine, ate some grapes and generally chilled to the sounds of justin 
and Toast. Everyone was super friendly,  dogs running around, frisbees 
being thrown, and one cool guy had one of those nifty bubble things, huge 
bubbles drifting acroos the park all afternoon. Met a whole bunch of 
friendly people.
Skip ahead to last night as we didn't do much rave-related stuff, but I 
did bust out with the black bean burritos for the rest of the crew, and 
wreck some trains, thank you Conrail.
This dive called the Kellogg Club has a disco night that basically 
bumped, we went in pimpin and took over the dance floor, anyone into this 
shit should check it out cause they're having a disco-dancin contest in 
two weeks and the prize is $175. It would be really funny if I won it 
cause I know there are better dancers out there. Not that I can't flex it 
a bit but that John Travolta silliness ain't exactly my game. So bust out 
with yer sequined jumpsuits and come tear shit up!! Also its a good 
excuse to use cheesy pick-up lines and seem "cute". The best was "Are 
those space pants you're wearing, cause your butt is out of this world." 
Gawd we silly sometimes.
Anyhow muchos gracias to Edie/Nermal, her ever-patient and adorable 
roomies Kelly and Brandy, Jeremy, Casey <SMOOOOOCH!!>, Nicole, and Molly, 
y'all are the shit. Come down to Lexington for Anomaly and let us return 
the favor. this time we have stir-fry.

Ted/Abductee





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Yeah okay, but what is Cricket Hill again, and how do we find it?

Ted


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well, ted spent a blatant week of escapism with me last week.

like he says, Toast is the shit. he can tear shit up, and his table-to-table 
mixing makes Terry Mullan look like the chump that he is. (flame me if you 
must).  his set at the whorehouse, er warehouse is the best stuff i have ever 
heard spun there, and the best vibe also. people were getting down and 
booty-shakin'! it rocked.

ted also mentioned the park thing, and Nicole mentioned that they were going 
to try to do this on a bi-weekly or monthly basis. This is a very good idea. 
how come more ppl dont do cool stuff like this? basically they just trucked a 
sound system and a generator up to Bellevue Park in cincy, plugged the shit 
in, and took over the place. the cops came by, but they didn't get too shitty, 
in fact they were rather nice and even suggested an alternate location. i 
think that the whole park/picnic/cookout/day rave thing is an avenue that more 
people should take a short drive down, cuz it was a lot of fun, real chill, 
and aside from a stupid person whose name i will not mention, it was a total 
blast. try this people, it works. maybe a late afternoon picnic/cookout, then 
a party that nite in the same place? hmmmmmm......

i must say that i am glad to have finally met some ppl in cincy that gots some 
sense about 'em. Props to Edie, Kelly, Brandy and crew.

I swore that i would never go to the warehouse again, but like a fool i went. 
you folks in the cincy/lexington/louisville are should know that if you get to 
the warehouse before 11:00, then it only costs $1 to get in. that way, when 
your evening is ruined by just being there, it only cost you $1 instead of $5.
everyone needs to put some pressure on Gary, the guy that runs the place, to 
not be a chump and have some real dj's there on a nightly basis. Damon could 
rock the place out, as he has proven, and maybe his music, not being cheesy 
club trash, would keep some of the losers and stupid club kids away. then the 
place might be interesting.

anyone know any more details about the niggity-net.meet before the orb show in 
chicago? how to get there? who to call in town for details?

anyone in the chicago area know of any hip-hop events taking place that 
saturday or sunday?

anyone wanna give me about a thousand dollars?

anyone think it is time for me to stop typing?

OK.

BTW is there gonna be a netter meet at the party in Indy on saturday? if so, 
when and where?

out,
tim (optik)
Cincy is fer chumps like me.
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Hay I need to get a hold leigh, the infamous devil girl.

If anyone can lead me to her, I'd love you to death.

Scary ain't it?

earache
beatPHREAKsociety

PS.  July 8th is our first "major" party ... fluid.  I'll be posting more
about it sometime this week.  Just as soon as I can git a hold of leigh ;)


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I'm sorry i won't be able to make it out there this weekend. My last final
is in 5 hours(zoinks!) and i have to move into this aptment thing this
weekend. I went to Cricket Hill last year for the Windy City Weedfest. Its
a really nice location, you guys should have a blast if the weather decides
to play fair.
here's the directions:

take Lake Shore Drive north from the Loop,                  
        and exit at Montrose or Wilson and go East (towards lake).

you'll see it, its pretty easy to find

           toastman(who should really meet some of you guys sometime)







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the net meet sounds good...  loosy and i will be there provided that
someone posts directions to the place (the name of which i forget already
:p)...

if this fails, and for those who can't make it, perhaps we'll be able to
arrange something between the acts...  are the djs after the orb?  if so,
we could meet where they're selling tshirts right after the orb is
finished.

now onto other stuff that's on my mind...

c+ promoters in chicago.  people have advocated their parties, b/c they're
in it for the right reasons, so i made a point of going to soho two fridays
ago.  the party was held in a loft or something in a midtown building.  the
whole thing was relatively covert except for the fact that you could hear
the music out in the street :P  we liked the way they cracked the loading
dock door and let us in, then shut it again.  BUT, the price was $15.  and
the only lighting consisted of paper globes w/ light bulbs inside.  and the
sound was very distorted at points (although this could've been the djs
fault).  i liked the music - paul johnson and obi-1 kicked it - but this
party made me wonder if c+ is in it for the reasons people say they are... 
perhaps they were afraid that b/c of even further there would not be enough
people to break even at $10 a head.  i dunno.  if anyone knows what was up
with this, let me know.

good foot.  oops.  well, this party, to be held at 600 cermak in chicago's
near south side, was shut down before we got there.  we had purchased our
tickets already, and fortunately, upon returning to the map point, we were
given our money back.  but my concern is that there were paddywagons out in
front of the location hauling people away.  someone said that there may
have even been a swat team out on this one...  if anyone has the lowdown on
this, please tell us...

sorry for the negativity, but, um, er, i have no excuse for it... :P
stay safe...

8) dave/scoobydave


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for all of you who are interested...

June 9 in chicago at the Orb show..
DJ's
Derrick Carter
David Hollands
Tom Pazen
DJ Lewis

fyi, thought you might want to know.  have fun. :)
see ya'll saturday at BEAT NON-STOP in indy.  gonna rock the house!!!!!!!
-becca


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On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, david siska wrote:

> good foot.  oops.  well, this party, to be held at 600 cermak in chicago's
> near south side, was shut down before we got there.  we had purchased our
> tickets already, and fortunately, upon returning to the map point, we were
> given our money back.  but my concern is that there were paddywagons out in
> front of the location hauling people away.  someone said that there may
> have even been a swat team out on this one...  if anyone has the lowdown on
> this, please tell us...

I couldn't go, but a friend of mine threw this party...she's fairly new at
it, and prolly didn't know everybody to grease...oh well. It was only 8
bucks, and at least her heart's in the right place. Hope she throws one
again; the DJs sounded terrific.

Stay cooooooool everybody. 

Stu



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>Evolution presents : "Water of Live"
>
>June 9th 1995
>
>Louisville, KY
>
>DJ's are :
>
>John Aquaviva (4 hour set)
>Kell (Lexington)
>Leviathan (Louisville)
>French E (from another planet)
>
>Info line : 502.569.1969
>
>Water starts flowing at 10 pm.

This is an Orbit party right?

Where is it going to be at? (just curious)

is this the permanent site?

thanks.
josh.


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Matt MacQueen wrote:

"A high point for me was Sat night in the "live tent."  In the main
tent, after Frankie Bones finished spinning, then some super-hardcore DJ
came on next (that I didn't care for at all) so we fled the main tent, and
into the "live tent" --  the red and white striped one, where there was a
live Tr*p-Hop/Experimental Hip hop live thing going on.  That was seriously
the grooviest vibe I felt all weekend.  One DJ cutting and scratching old
jazz and ANCIENT mantronix records, one guy playing drum-pads and a
keyboard with triggers and pre-sampled loops and stuff, and one bassist.
they were all just grooving off each other, jazz-improv style, reminded me
of that Mo'Wax sound.  Hip-Hop and deep housey sound, very positive and I'm
surprised no one else taked about this.  Tons of people were packed in
there to stay dry, dancing.  Later we asked them what they were called, or
if they had a tape.  THey said "Mmm" cause everyone's name in the band
started with "M", so for a lame name they used "MMM".  But damn their music
was Mmm-Mmm good, like some Campbell's chicken noodle soup and shit.  :)"

That was Milwaukee Creative Music Ensemble...MCME.  They play live every 
friday at the Stork Club in Milwaukee...as well as other places...And 
yes, they do rule!

Brad


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   Does anyone out there know the number for 611 Records in Philly?
Thanks in advance.....

                                                        R.

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thursday night in Chicago, at the Shelter (Fulton Market / Jefferson), is
FREEDOM. DJs are James Anthony, Bambi, and Derrick Carter. 21 and over.
Comp. admission before 11pm with flier. Fliers are at Gramaphone...

boom bambi boom la bamba baby
nib@dlogics.com


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wednesday night in chicago, there will be a club night at alcatraz on 112 n.
green... the djs are myself, jj jellybean, phantom 45, mystic bill and dj halo
alongside mc black eye... cover is $5 and doors open @ 9

mike
dj snuggles

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Well I have a short review of 2001 a bass oddyssey. The vibe was horrible,
until Hyperactive came on at (i think) 3:30. Hyperactive ripped it up but the
vibe still was not anything to brag about.No thanks to the DEA, Harvey Police
and other annoying goverment officials. The dea were there walking around
video taping anyone who looked suspicious (which they must have thought most
of us did). The police were constantly shining a flashlight at everyone.The
space was not too bad, an old "Photon" laser tag arena. I had an ok time, but
it could have been better. Space Time Continum was cool but they seemed to
want to switch from bouncy house to ambient and back again. I like both but,
 not together at a party.

I also heard a rumor that 303 was targeted to get busted this weekend. Anyone
else hear this?

One final note, while calling some voice mail's here in Chicago this weeked.
One of the messages said that if MWRaves was not being monitored before, it
is now. I'd like to take this time to say hello and howdy to all the local
law enforcement, federal bureau of investigations, drug enforcement agency,
and any other goverment officials. And thank them for spending my hard earned
tax money so well ! Can you guys deny or confirm the rumor about 303.

Eric

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  6 17:45:59 1995
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Eric (E1024@aol.com) states:

>One final note, while calling some voice mail's here in Chicago this weeked.
>One of the messages said that if MWRaves was not being monitored before, it
>is now. I'd like to take this time to say hello and howdy to all the local
>law enforcement, federal bureau of investigations, drug enforcement agency,
>and any other goverment officials. And thank them for spending my hard earned
>tax money so well ! Can you guys deny or confirm the rumor about 303.

Well, without knowing what info line it was, I bet they meant "mid west raves", meaning, "raves in the midwest", and not "mwraves", the mailing list.  Just a shot in the dark.

If you've got the line number and promoter's name, send me private email.

As for the list being monitored, I doubt it is, but then again, I have no clue.
One doesn't have to be on the list to read it, either.  Archives are kept at
hyperreal.com, so all your posts about whatever you ingested whenever are preserved.  (read: BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY)

Let's not start wild rumors.




It's About the Music.


Andrew
--
   Andrew Bennett
   abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com
   http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  6 19:06:30 1995
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Hmmm...well it looks like Dave and I will not be albe to make the Orb Net
Meet at Crickett Park.  But we would still LOVE to meet you all sometime
during/after the show.  I guess maybe what Dave suggested would be
good...after the orb's performance at the t-shirt stand?  In any case...look
for the 5'6" Asian girl with chin-length straight black hair (gee--that's
distinctive, eh) standing with a taller white guy with short light borwnish
hair and glasses..(that be dave..:P)

Hope to find some of you...who knows, we may just show up at the park.  Is
it still going on for sure?? anyone? anyone?

Lucy


   


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>One final note, while calling some voice mail's here in Chicago this weeked.
>One of the messages said that if MWRaves was not being monitored before, it
>is now. I'd like to take this time to say hello and howdy to all the local
>law enforcement, federal bureau of investigations, drug enforcement agency,
>and any other goverment officials. And thank them for spending my hard earned
>tax money so well ! Can you guys deny or confirm the rumor about 303.

grrr!  if that is true, it kinda makes me mad... but heym it is also kinda 
funny...

either way.. if there is any law enforcement officals reading this: f#$* 
you.  Sorry, but i have had some experiences that have changed/scared my 
life, and they were all because of cops attitudes and f#$% ups.  love ya.

josh.
---->  venting that "it's finals time" aggression! :)


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i think the inside cover of Prodigy, Music for a Jilted Generation says 
it all...


your granny...


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  6 20:19:36 1995
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        Is there like a law enforcement list that we can all eavesdop on?

        Hee ::))

        -mike



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Hey, 
here is the number for 611 Records in Philly, as requested...
(215)413-9100.
Glad I could help!  :)

-----------------------
    ...Spoongirl...
acquick@mailbox.syr.edu
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in the words of jello biafra... "if you love your fun, die for it!"


grandma



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun  7 04:39:48 1995
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** Andrew here.  Check this out.  Apparently this note originated from 
** nwu.edu, so it's possible that they've got a real problem up there.  But
** this goes to show that someone's attitude is going to get them in trouble
** very easily.

** If I see any real posts like this *EVER* on the list, there'll be hell to
** pay.  And I really don't think any "cops" are on the list at this time,
** so just chill.  Even so, this post is very stereotypical and hateful.

** DO NOT REPLY PRIVATELY TO ME ON THIS.  Some profanity has been edited.


Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 23:12:55 -0500
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From: pigs@stupid.fucking.bastards (Anon.)
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: Stupid Pigs

Cops are just a bunch or ignorant bastards with nothing better to do.  They
are to chicken to bust any "real" criminals so they bug us ravers because they
know a) we are peacefull and b) don't have weapons.  some ravers know I
had a nasty little experiance with these f*cked up cops after some party.
They pulled me out with caffein pills (Yes, they where caffein) and took me to
the station.  Let me add it was an illegal search.  I'm just waiting for
another f*cking pig to step out of line, cause he won't know what hit him.
(**don't worry you little piglets who are listening in, I'm NOT physicaly
threatning you**)

So basically what I'm saying is if your listening, You can suck my f*cking
c*ck, better not say thqt, I would not want to turn them on too much.
let me restate this.  F*CK *FF, your not wanted.

thank you

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun  7 06:32:14 1995
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From: Nicholas James Demeter <ndemet1@icarus.cc.uic.edu>
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   Hi there... 
Today I was on the train going downtown (Chicago) and I had my head 
phones on listening to some music (ok, ok, some of it was 2Unlimited, I 
like them ok? =)) Well apparently a gentleman that was sitting two sits 
away from me was "disturbed" and started giving me the "eye" (as giving 
the finger but with your look, well, you know what I mean!) and shaking 
his head. The result was now that the whole cart was looking at me. Well 
I have to admit that people could hear my music, but who says that if you 
have your headphones on you should moderate your volume? Well anyways the 
gentleman after we got downtown called the police, the police came and he 
told them that I had the volume up high in purpose so I will disturb HIM! 
Now to picture that the guy was one of those 40-something people with 
different suit to wear every day of the month. To close this message the 
guy just made a fool of himself, but I was warned too, because "of my 
remarks". Apparently I was being a smartass. Well? Was I wrong? =) See ya 
later guys...

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun  7 06:46:20 1995
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From: eluna <eluna@coil.com>
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well my friend mark had a nice experience this weekend...the cops took 
him downtown for questioning, regarding another case...and his wallet 
"mysteriously" disappeared, along with $150...

later it was found, just as "mysteriously" on the side of the road.  they 
were nice enough to leave him $25.

anecdotal, i know, but just another example that makes me want to treat 
cops as bad as they sometimes treat others.  i know that for their own 
good, cops HAVE to be assholes because they HAVE to assume that any 
situation they get into could be life-threatening.  that is why they 
treat ravers, punks, etc, like shit because they see "difference" as a 
threat...they dont know what kind of people they might be dealing with 
so they must assume the worst of us.

of course this doesnt excuse abuse.  

the thing is, it is US CITIZENS who have given these people the right to 
enforce laws (even if we do not agree with them) and i think it is HIGH 
TIME that the coppers acknowledge that we are a part of that society 
whether they like it or not.  that requires work on our part, as well...

er, something like that...finals week you know...
++
e d

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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 10:34:05 -0500
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From: loose@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Lucia H. Jeong)
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Hmm....this disturbs me cuz nwu.edu is Northwestern and that's my school.
Well...I hope no one thinks that this is representative of NU...cuz its not.
But i am curious as to who wrote this...Most of us ravers here are really
friendly and peaceful folk..:)  so please take this as an isolated incident.
Thanks. :)

Lucy


>** Andrew here.  Check this out.  Apparently this note originated from 
>** nwu.edu, so it's possible that they've got a real problem up there.  But
>** this goes to show that someone's attitude is going to get them in trouble
>** very easily.
>
>** If I see any real posts like this *EVER* on the list, there'll be hell to
>** pay.  And I really don't think any "cops" are on the list at this time,
>** so just chill.  Even so, this post is very stereotypical and hateful.
>
>** DO NOT REPLY PRIVATELY TO ME ON THIS.  Some profanity has been edited.
>
>
>Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 23:12:55 -0500
>Message-Id: <199506070412.AA025548375@relay.acns.nwu.edu>
>From: pigs@stupid.fucking.bastards (Anon.)
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
>Subject: Stupid Pigs
>
>Cops are just a bunch or ignorant bastards with nothing better to do.  They
>are to chicken to bust any "real" criminals so they bug us ravers because they
>know a) we are peacefull and b) don't have weapons.  some ravers know I
>had a nasty little experiance with these f*cked up cops after some party.
>They pulled me out with caffein pills (Yes, they where caffein) and took me to
>the station.  Let me add it was an illegal search.  I'm just waiting for
>another f*cking pig to step out of line, cause he won't know what hit him.
>(**don't worry you little piglets who are listening in, I'm NOT physicaly
>threatning you**)
>
>So basically what I'm saying is if your listening, You can suck my f*cking
>c*ck, better not say thqt, I would not want to turn them on too much.
>let me restate this.  F*CK *FF, your not wanted.
>
>thank you
>
>


   


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		Government Parser Bait
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Acid - Ecstasy - Marijuana - Dope - Promoters - Money - Dealer
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I'd like to take the time out to say Hello to the G-Men/Woman on this list. 
Hope you enjoy the diatribe as much as I do. Perhaps one day you can give your
input to matters discussed here - it would be interesting to get a
G-Man/Woman's point of view...Eh?

Oh by the way, I hope you guys get promotions so you won't have to do crap work
like reading stuff on this lists trying gather information to help in your
useless investigations. Investigations that may perhaps, at the most gain a few
thousand dollors in tax money.  Maybe, make a few arrests at some raves. But
all at the expense of creating more of an antogonistic relationship between the
gov't and it's people, creating more anti gov't extremists and OK city bombing
incidences.

Regards,
Miles

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In a message dated 95-06-07 07:40:47 EDT, 
(Anon)
>Cops are just a bunch or ignorant bastards with nothing better to do.

Just so you know every one of my parties (91-94 in Detroit) had a cop or soon
to be cop working the door or doing security...age 21-23(who knows how many
more were there)... they are still to this day going to parties and dancing
all night!! 

I have had one of my parties busted...it was a mild bust.
First of all if you are throwing an outlaw party..you take risks..
getting busted is one of them..I certainly dont like the fact that SOME cops
feel they can come into your party and start throwing my friends across the
room or anything!!  
What can you do besides ck. yourself ?  Try and be safe and underground at
the same time.. it seems like that is getting harder to
do..............................
peace,
n 

 


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      JULY 8, 1995                                       MADISON, WI

                          featuring DJs:

          Damon Wild                               T-1000
   (Synewave- New York)                     (Generator- Detroit)

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      (Soulflower- Denver)               (Erotishock-Madison)

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    and a Live performance by YANU (430 West/Direct Beat- Milwaukee)

*Sound and Lights by Badger    *Refreshments by Cottonmouth

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun  7 22:43:54 1995
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This is what Mr. Anonymous stated:
> Cops are just a bunch or ignorant bastards with nothing better to do.  They
> are to chicken to bust any "real" criminals so they bug us ravers because they
> know a) we are peacefull and b) don't have weapons.  some ravers know I
> had a nasty little experiance with these f*cked up cops after some party.
> They pulled me out with caffein pills (Yes, they where caffein) and took me to
> the station.  Let me add it was an illegal search.  I'm just waiting for
> another f*cking pig to step out of line, cause he won't know what hit him.
> (**don't worry you little piglets who are listening in, I'm NOT physicaly
> threatning you**)
> So basically what I'm saying is if your listening, You can suck my f*cking
> c*ck, better not say thqt, I would not want to turn them on too much.
> let me restate this.  F*CK *FF, your not wanted.


Me thinks someone is a little bitter.

mint


					thats one way to blow off steam. :)


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> anecdotal, i know, but just another example that makes me want to treat 
> cops as bad as they sometimes treat others.  i know that for their own 
> good, cops HAVE to be assholes because they HAVE to assume that any 
> situation they get into could be life-threatening.  that is why they 
> treat ravers, punks, etc, like shit because they see "difference" as a 
> threat...they dont know what kind of people they might be dealing with 
> so they must assume the worst of us.
> of course this doesnt excuse abuse.  
> the thing is, it is US CITIZENS who have given these people the right to 
> enforce laws (even if we do not agree with them) and i think it is HIGH 
> TIME that the coppers acknowledge that we are a part of that society 
> whether they like it or not.  that requires work on our part, as well...

There is a problem with this.  We are generalizing police officers immensely.
I know several cops (one of which is my uncle) and they are all cool as ice.
Dont think that I am saying that all are good.  A lot of you know about what
happened to us in chicago on the way to Even Furthur; which I will not give
the anecdote again.  for those of you who dont know, we were harassed (both
casually and sexually) by what accumulated to be eight cops.  However, one
guy was cool and gave us directions to where we were going in the first 
place.  What i am getting at here is that yes a lot of cops treat every en-
counter as if it is life-threatening; and yes some of those cops take it to
far and harass the civilian they encounter.  But we cant stereotype cops
like we are because that could increase what tension there is to an ir-
reversable degree.  

so what can be done?  I can give a honest answer.  All I can say is put up
with the shit  As much as I hate this kind of despot attitude... I found out
the hard way that all you CAN do is deal with it.  However, this can go two
ways: 1) They laern to give a little credit to us for understanding that we 
are not out to be "anti-law" or what have you or 2) they take us for push-
overs and increase this front that the "bad" cops produce.  Probably both
will happen.  This is a very touchy developement and I honestly think there
is nothing we can do about it.

What are some of your imputs? Hmmm? :)

mint

Oh yeah: that anti-pigs letter that Andrew forward is an example of something
we do not need.  If you are going the have the gall to pull off that attitude,
at least have the balls to sign your name.  Sheesh...


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> 		Government Parser Bait
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Acid - Ecstasy - Marijuana - Dope - Promoters - Money - Dealer
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> I'd like to take the time out to say Hello to the G-Men/Woman on this list. 

Hey people that wwork for me since I pay your salary as well as everybody else
onthis list.  I hope you enjoy it as Miles stated and learn that are scene is
not as the media makes it out to be.

: *
<big ass kiss on the lips>

mint


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In a technologically-induced stupor, matthew emery hemenway flatly stated...
[...]
::so what can be done?  I can give a honest answer.  All I can say is put up
::with the shit  As much as I hate this kind of despot attitude... I found out
::the hard way that all you CAN do is deal with it.  However, this can go two
::ways: 1) They laern to give a little credit to us for understanding that we 
::are not out to be "anti-law" or what have you or 2) they take us for push-
::overs and increase this front that the "bad" cops produce.  Probably both
::will happen.  This is a very touchy developement and I honestly think there
::is nothing we can do about it.
[...]

A lot can be done.  Have you ever noticed that cops wear badges and these
badges are numbered?  There's a reason for this.  If you don't like the way
you were treated by a specific cop, get his/her badge number and do
something about it.  Making anonymous posts to rave mailing lists won't do
shit about human rights abuses.  Oh yes, these are abuses of human rights.
Simply because someone is wearing goofy clothing gives no right to a cop to
harass them in any way. 

I understand that, by the time they're finished giving you a hard time, you
simply want to get on with life and get to the party.  Well maybe, instead of
pushing on with your trip, stop at the nearest town of this cops origin
and *DO* something about it.  They know the score as far as who will take
action.  So surprise them; take the next step.  Approach their superiors
with formal action and contact the ACLU in that area.  It's really very
simple.  

- stevenJ


trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  8 06:56:17 1995
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   Yesterday a friend and I went to Harmony House to purchase ORB tickets for 
Sat Night at St. Andrews hall. There was a guy in front of us talking to the 
cashier guy at about some party in Windsor that Richie H. had. I couldn't
believe this party took place and I didn't even hear about it. Not through the
grape vine or this lists. I realize this isn't the Canadian Raves lists but I
was shocked I didn't hear anything about this event. 
   From what the guy said though, it wasn't your usual rave. It was more Detroit
old school - my flava. This isn't the first time this has happened, telling me
that the scene here is somewhat disconnected from the mainstream rave scene -
an underground underground so to speak. 
   If anyone attended this event, I'd like to read a review. Any other comments
reg my speculations are appreciated.

Miles

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O O O O O O   R R R R R R   B B B B BB       OFFICIAL
O         O   R         R   B        BB
O         O   R         R   B         B
O         O   R         R   B         B      PRE-PARTY
O         O   R R R R R R   B B B B B B
O         O   R   R         B         B
O         O   R    R        B         B
O         O   R     R       B        BB
O O O O O O   R      R      B B B B BB
 
 
 
   JUNE 8TH 1995   11:30 p.m.       CHICAGO USA
 
   LIQUID LOUNGE   hosted By  DJ RAY VELASQUEZ (Kansas City)
 
   at  SHELTER      CHICAGO USA    address ????
 
=============================================================
 
     FREE GIVEAWAYS INCLUDING:
 
               2 pair of ORB tickets (JUNE 9th SHOW CHICAGO)
 
               15 limited edition ORB CD's (tittle unknown)
 
               many tapes, posters etc. also
============================================================
     Sorry, I don't have the address to SHELTER or even the
phone number.  However, if anyone could post the address or
phone number that would be cool.  Work is in progress for an
after-party also, so I will try to post any further
information on that at a later time.  If anyone makes it to
the pre-party say hello to Ray for me and tell him you heard
about it on the NET.
 


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	The official ORB pre-party is going on in conjunction with FREEDOM
on thursday JUNE 08 and SHELTER ( Fulton Market & Jefferson).  FREEDOM
DJ's are James Anthony, Bambi and Derric Carter.  LIQUID LOUNGE will be
hosted by Ray Velasquez.  Sorry if I confused anyone.

Tim J



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I found this list while installing emacs on a computer on our network.  Tak
about spook grep'ing...

- stevenJ

_________________________
::bomb
::$400 million in gold bullion
::radar
::Nancy Reagan
::quiche
::Rule Psix
::cryptographic
::Mossad
::fissionable
::counter-intelligence
::NSA
::genetic
::terrorist
::ammunition
::DES
::nuclear
::Marxist
::[Hello to all my fans in domestic surveillance]
::CIA
::Uzi
::assassination
::Soviet 
::plutonium
::Treasury
::Rule Psix
  ^^^^^^^^^ Your guess is as good as mine.  Anyone know what this might be?


::Cocaine
::Ortega
::FBI
::PLO
::strategic
::Nazi
::smuggle
::supercomputer
::domestic disruption
::KGB
::Kennedy
::SDI
::arrangements
::spy
::munitions
::Ft. Bragg
::colonel
::Soviet
::South Africa
::Noriega
::Panama
::Honduras
::El Salvador

There.  If that doesn't get me added to some file folder I don't know *what*
will.


trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
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>	The official ORB pre-party is going on in conjunction with FREEDOM
>on thursday JUNE 08 and SHELTER ( Fulton Market & Jefferson).  FREEDOM
>DJ's are James Anthony, Bambi and Derric Carter.  LIQUID LOUNGE will be
>hosted by Ray Velasquez.  Sorry if I confused anyone.
>
>Tim J

for those who have never been to the shelter: it's a pretty big club, with
two main big rooms and some chill-out arcades and hallways and shit like
that. They WILL card you so get your story straight. Get some fliers at
Gramaphone or Tower to get in free before 11pm, $5 after 11pm, $10 w/o the
flier.

I never thought I would have Derrick Carter, Ray Velasquez, and James
Anthony opening for me :) :)
no, just kidding, I'll be spinning around 11-12 or something like that. say
hi when I come down from the booth and buy me a drink or two (or three).

bambi


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From: Steve J White <aragorn@csd.uwm.edu>
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In a technologically-induced stupor, MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com flatly stated...
::
::   Yesterday a friend and I went to Harmony House to purchase ORB tickets for 
::Sat Night at St. Andrews hall. There was a guy in front of us talking to the 
::cashier guy at about some party in Windsor that Richie H. had. I couldn't
::believe this party took place and I didn't even hear about it. Not through the
::grape vine or this lists. I realize this isn't the Canadian Raves lists but I
::was shocked I didn't hear anything about this event. 
[...]

You weren't paying attention.  Andrew posted about this very party last
week.  Gotta be careful with that <D>elete key.

- stevenJ


trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  8 09:48:17 1995
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From: Ian MacLachlan <ianmac@mmg2.im.med.umich.edu>
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On Sunday afternoon a party was held in downtown Windsor in honor of 
Richie's birthday. The location was The Coach, an old "English" pub of 
the sort only found in Canada. The party began around noon as a few early 
birds wandered down into the basement. Once the sound system and lights 
were hooked up Chuck Hampton started things off, followed by Terry Mullen 
and finally Richie.

The vibe at this party was so thick you could cut it with a knife. People 
had come in from all over the place, JJ from Kentucky, Rob Smith from 
L.A., Matt's friend Serena from London, England, Stephanie and friends 
from Toronto, Kaytee and Noah from Lansing and a whole crowd of folks 
from Ann Arbor ensuring that treetown was massively in effect ;). Once 
the dancing started the place heated up and the sweat poured. The pub 
provided a full service bar which meant that you had the chance to cool 
off with your choice of water, fruitopia, beer or whatever. Himadri 
valiantly tried to teach the bartender to mix the perfect Mai Tai but after 
several attempts was forced to abandon this pursuit. To escape the 
sweatbox kids poured out into the street. Detroit could be seen 
glimmering across the river. It never looked so good. People danced and 
danced. I spoke to one girl who was covered in sweat, shaking, "are you 
O.K.?" I asked...thinking she might have been a bit too dosed ... only to 
find that she was, like me, totally clear and just worn out from all the fun.

The party was supposed to end at 6:00 pm, but 6:00 came and went and 
Richie was still spinning, 7:00 came and went... and in the end the party 
ended some time around 8:00. Everyone filed out in to the cool evening 
air and gathered around the front of the place chatting for an hour or so.

The music? What to say...three top notch DJs...eight hours.... it was 
amazing. Towards the end of his set Rich played what sounded like 
acetates of his new material... something to look forward to, believe me.

Big shouts out to all the netter who were there.... see you at the Orb?

Ian MacLachlan

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From: holly c macdonald-korth <hcmk@netmiami.com>
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At 09:57 AM 8/6/95 -0400, MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com wrote:
> I couldn't
>believe this party took place and I didn't even hear about it. Not through the
>grape vine or this lists. I realize this isn't the Canadian Raves lists but I
>was shocked I didn't hear anything about this event. 
        detroit parties are almost never posted...its' the underground...and
i frichie announced to the world that he was going to have a birthday party
there would have been 1000 people there instead of 100...there's no need to
publicize a private party.

are you down with the underground...keep it underground...;)...

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From: Steve J White <aragorn@csd.uwm.edu>
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Subject: Re: Richie Hawtin's party in Windsor 
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In a technologically-induced stupor, holly c macdonald-korth flatly stated...
::
::        detroit parties are almost never posted...its' the underground...and
::i frichie announced to the world that he was going to have a birthday party
::there would have been 1000 people there instead of 100...there's no need to
::publicize a private party.

Yeah, I have to agree with this sentiment.  since Internet and stuff has
become full-blown mainstream it's all out in the open.  I think getting back
to phone-trees is the best route to take, these days.  Especially if the law
is on the net like the rumors say.  Also, maybe starting up an anti-mailing
list mailing list would serve this purpose; no one gets sub'ed unless the
list admin knows them personally.  *No* mass mailings out nationally.  Think
about it.

- stevenJ


trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  8 11:31:03 1995
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             DEPTH PROBE
           with Kevin Cole
              presents
          S U N N Y S I D E

          Thursday, June 22
   in the mainroom at First Avenue
             MINNEAPOLIS

                 DJs
             Lottowinner
          JT             Life
         Pike           E-Tones
       Miss Miss         Drone

              cameo by
             Cave Music
       and other special guests

        lighting by Sir Hayes

          video by Vagabond

         mood and atmosphere
    by the Minneapolis Groove Unit

           $6 at the door

         doors open at 7pm

due to recent Mpls curfew crackdowns,
       you must be 18 to enter.

************************************
*****Champion the Sound of Life*****
************************************


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From: Ellen Steuer <ellen@ramona.cyborganic.com>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: Graduravetion 6.11.95- Kenosha, WI
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the anonymous girlz invite you to celebrate with ms. wiggles on the day 
of her high school graduation.

sunday june 11, 1995

7pm- 2am

featuring:

Tripper Information systems
Spore
Steven Kaye
Kenny Gino
Shira Kahn
Al G

@ Capers in kenosha

directions to capers are as follows:

take i-94 (east from milwaukee, west from chicago) to kenosha
exit on hwy 50
go east to east frontage rd (the rd right along the freeway) about 1/2 mile
if you pass suburb video you have gone to far
there is a sign on the building that says capers (obviously)
the address is 6305 120th ave
the # there is 414.857.9696

i didn't have the pre tickets made in time to send them out to those of 
you who asked for them... i apologize.  try to get there before 8 cuz its 
free til then... only $5 after that.  i am really sorry about being a 
flake for those of you who requested the pre free tix:(  i hope you all 
still come!  it should be fun!  capers is a pretty small, pretty 
underground type o place with a groovy atmosphere.
 see you sunday!

/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/
Ellen Steuer aka /\/\s. \/\/iggles			Anonymous
ellen@cyborganic.com					414.256.1343
http://www.cyborganic.com/People/ellen/

		***zine, cute girlz, good conversation***
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  8 16:56:16 1995
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Miles states: 


>   Yesterday a friend and I went to Harmony House to purchase ORB tickets for 
>Sat Night at St. Andrews hall. There was a guy in front of us talking to the 
>cashier guy at about some party in Windsor that Richie H. had. I couldn't
>believe this party took place and I didn't even hear about it. Not through the
>grape vine or this lists. I realize this isn't the Canadian Raves lists but I
>was shocked I didn't hear anything about this event. 

I posted about it on 06/3/95 at around 2:30pm after getting off the horn
with JJ.  Apparently Richie wanted something posted, seeing that those who
would come would be 'hardcore' (for lack of a better term) and into it.  I
guess Richie likes the members of the mw-raves list.  Don't complain.  :)


>   If anyone attended this event, I'd like to read a review. Any other comments
>reg my speculations are appreciated.

Yeah, I'd like to know how it went, as I couldn't make it.  If I could've
made it, I woulda been there.

Needless to say, I got a postcard for it in the mail on Monday, 2 days after
the event.  :|  It is a very bitchin' (yet another lack of a good term)
postcard.  Completely black, with a small hologram-like sticker, that had
an inset cut out in the shape of the Plastikman logo.  Ace.

It pays to be a member of PlastikProdukt.  $10/year.  I got my plastik (heh) credit-card like card about 2 weeks ago.  Sharp.


It's About the Music




Andrew
--
   Andrew Bennett
   abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  8 19:09:23 1995
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>                 DJs
>             Lottowinner
>          JT             Life
>         Pike           E-Tones
>       Miss Miss         Drone

Why don't they ever get new DJs or atleast ones that have more than a casual
aquantance(sp) with the minneapolis underground (please note the exception
of Drone and e-tones)?

Is it a concept thing or ...?

This isn't a knock against any of the DJs, because they're all very
talented, especially Drone.

>due to recent Mpls curfew crackdowns,
>       you must be 18 to enter.

Harsh.

earache


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    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: syt@po.cwru.edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
    To: pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com
    Subject: Re: cleveland??
    Date: Fri, 09 Jun

    
    on 6/7/95 russ sed:
    ===================================================================
    anyone from cleveland/akron still out there?  I haven't seen a review of an
    Ohio party in ages.  It's partly my fault, since i was gonna write reviews
    of Moby and Miracles but got lazy about it.  Anyone go to Wonderland or
    Detonation?  How were they?  Is anyone going to the orb tomorrow or to Limbo
    on Saturday?
    
    Russ
    ===================================================================
    
    well i'm in the midst of moving (again!). so i've had almost no time
    2 check my mail. last time i checked @ a friend's house. i had 2 go
    thru over 250 mail items. 3 hrs of pure agony. oh BTW thanx 2 all the
    admins who haven't removed me from the lists from possible mail bounces
    cuz my mail box wuz @ over 700 mail items.
    
    i'll do some quick mini reviews...
    
    MIRACLES
    
    gotta give props 2 EPT 4 almost succesfully throwing ohio's 1st 
    outdoor rave. cops were dicks & kept tellin them 2 turn it down.
    but instead of shutting the party down & screwing kids out of
    their money. EPT came thru & continued the party in a virgin
    space w/in the attik. alot of kids were complaining of the move.
    but they were all new skool kids that didn't understand shit.
    1st off, most promotors wouldn't even have bothered tryin 2 
    continue the party. 2nd off as 4 the move - 'tis nothin, back
    in the days parties were constantly busted & moved from place
    2 place - twas x-pected & was part of the fun. oh yeah the 1st
    dj 2 go on after the move was ON-E. okay i haven't been giving
    him props b4 cuz his flava of music duzn't appeal 2 much 4 me.
    but that night ANI get full props 4 gettin the crowd goin. i 
    even jumped in 4 a little while. lotsa kids showed up 4 the 
    after party @ the squig, but i missed it. this party truly was
    a miracle in that it was pulled off despite of everything that
    happened.
    
    WONDERLAND
    
    well the agora seemed like a cop out place 2 throw a party.
    nevertheless quite a few deadicated ravahs showed up despite
    MIRACLES happenin the day B4. again steve's party had the
    quality line-up, but lacked the numbers. again terry mullan
    controlled the masses w/ the greatest of ease - only dj that
    got me 2 throw down. surprise back room guests were doughboy
    titonton & monochrom - which i finally got 2 meet after their
    sets. even bought a fusion tape off of 'em - def worth the
    5 bones! props 2 amy aka siren of columbus 4 pulling me out
    of the bleachers in the main room 2 catch their sets. the
    party was cut a bit short when the agora security made steve
    stop spinning. again i missed the afterhours.
    
    MOBY
    
    well i arrived late & missed all of mr. bill's set (which
    i heard wuz pretty good) & the 1st coupla moby songs cuz i
    had 2 trek down 2 columbus 2 pick up mary (of zap). well
    4 the short amount of the show we did catch, it was very
    good. best part was the crazy kid up front that kept
    screaming 'yur god' 2 moby & then moby finally lookin @
    that kid & shakin his head sayin 'no i'm not'. the concert
    def brought back some old vibes. plus seein it w/ mary
    made it all the more better. BTW y'all gotta go 2 her next
    party - ULTRAVIOLET comin up next month or so. i'm sure
    somebodies posted something about it by now.
    
    DETONATION
    
    well bit of a drag havin 2 wait outside waitin 4 a boxing
    match 2 finish up 2 get into the aragon. but when we got
    in was ok. well like UPLIFT, the location was a bit 2 big
    4 the amount of people that showed. also the vibe was very
    different mostly cuz this has a hip hop party & i think a
    majority of the ravahs didn't know what 2 make of it. this
    was prob most evident when the MC came on & the crowd just
    stood there starin @ him goin 'what?'. there were a couple
    highlights @ the party that u couldn't see @ most raves.
    including a real dance circle w/ dancers from rock steady
    crew of nyc & other cities, dj skribbles who spun while
    chuggin a 40oz, while takin off his shirt, etc, and of
    course all the awesome graffers that bombed all night
    long, although i think most of 'em were done the night b4.
    all in all gotta give carol props 4 pullin off cleveland's
    1st true hip hop party.
    
    THE ORB
    
    well that was tonight wasn't it. well i wuz gonna go w/
    Carol but decided 2 work cuz i skipped last week 2 go c
    MOBY w/ mary - boss wasn't 2 happy about that. perhaps
    russ or the trout man can say somethin about it.
    
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On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Professor Earache wrote:

> >                 DJs
> >             Lottowinner
> >          JT             Life
> >         Pike           E-Tones
> >       Miss Miss         Drone
> 
> Why don't they ever get new DJs or atleast ones that have more than a casual
> aquantance(sp) with the minneapolis underground (please note the exception
> of Drone and e-tones)?

	I thought JT, Drone, and E-Tones where all regulars within the
minneapolis scene there. 

    daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
    tech135@menudo.uh.edu |      HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
    tech137/daniel on hyperreal.com 7283


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>	I thought JT, Drone, and E-Tones where all regulars within the
>minneapolis scene there. 

Drone and E=Tones are, JT once in awhile.

I guess my point is/was that there are alot of worthy underground heroes in
minneapolis: thought, slip, apollo, polter, orion, monte hilleman, josh
fila, my mom, etc.

Would just be nice to see some different/fresh talent at a depth probe once
in awhile.

earache
beatPHREAKsociety


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From: "KUYKENDALL, KYLE" <FUNKY@MUSIC.CC.UGA.EDU>
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Hey folxs!
I'm new to the list here (I'm sure some of you know me from vrave), but
I would like to add my $.02 to the police bitterness issue.  I
understand fully that alot of us have been shafted on more than just one
occaision.  Know this well, because I hope not to receive any flame
letters about my opinion...unless you think I might enjoy that. ;)

It seems to me that the majority of the people (at least here in the SE)
who bitch and moan about their experiences with police officers fail to
recognize one important factor (and surely I know that our scene has
been singled out for attack [a very logical political ploy on their
part...and easy, ima] so don't think I am suggesting that all of us are
guilty) and that is that the majority of incidences come as a result
of there being some sort of illegal activity involved.  None of us
like to get harrassed for playing our music - I CERtainly don't, but
I would have to say that on the occaisions that I hear of a bust or
some sort of search or misdemeanor charge, usually I hear also about
either the presence of.....um......shall we say, controlled substances?
or maybe it was a party that began/turned renegade and the resulting
situation was one of trespass and loitering (if not rioting)...or
maybe an open container law was broken or something silly like that.

My point is this:  we are NOT all under attack for the fact that we are
rave kids and that we like techno music.  Although this is what it has
come to seem, the truth is that the public law enforcement would NOT
have come to look heavily our way if we had, at some point in time,
been a little more careful about what we bring to our pahteez.  I am
straightedge, by self declaration and by necessity.  About the most
I could be blamed for (disregarding, of course, the possibility of
wrongful accusation) would be trespassing (oooooh I'm in trouble now).
Folx that are not as I should simply take their...*ahem* unrelated
activities elsewhere and not show up with all kinds of shit on their
person...or keep quiet when their shit hits the fan.

I am not one to say that you should or should not do to your body as
you see fit.  All I am offering is my objective insight into what has
caused so many of us to develop this anti-police sentiment.  If you
are ticked off at them, then act and write your congressman, petition-
ing him/her to pass drug-legalization reforms.  If you are pissed off
at them and think your rights have been violated (due to an illegal
search or harrassment, sexual or otherwise) then include that in your
letter...or write your local paper and start petitions and do SOMEthing
constructive with your anger.  But do NOT sit there like a bump on a
log and bitch and moan and kvetch and whimper and whine.....and then
do nothing.

I love you all and I apologize for having been so strong-mouthed on my
first post.  I know to some that is way uncool, but lemme tellya, we
just held an event (small, but ohhhhhhhh the vibe :) way down here in
Jawja (Georgia) and it went over sooooooo well.  The entire thing was
renegade as hell and we even got busted once.  People had travelled
from 10 and even 12 hours away for our little production and when we
got busted, I was scared as hell that something was gonna go wrong;
that someone woulda dropped something that the cops woulda found and
then all hell woulda broken loose and arrests woulda been made.  I
was petrified cuz it was a friend of mine's party and I didn't want
to see him go down for mere association nor myself for the same.  When
they searched that warehouse, though, about the "hardest" substances
they could find were an empty beer can and two empty bottles of yoohoo.
Can you say cleeeeeeeeeeeeeean?

Well, I've taken up enough bandwidth.  Again, I am sorry if I thoroughly
pissed anyone off by my long post.  Take care and be smart and safe.
All I wish is for the flowers in each heart to overflow with the joys
of life.  May all of your flowers bloom in full.  Peace.

-kyle k.



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Okay, here's the thing on Depth Probe.
First off, allow me to introduce myself (most of you in the mpls
"underground" probably aren't familiar with me) - I'm Pike, aka Rich,
aka the guy who's seen a lot around JT but nobody knows.

earache wrote:
"Why don't they ever get new DJs or atleast ones that have more than
a casual aquantance(sp) with the minneapolis underground (please note
the exception of Drone and e-tones)?"

1-Knee-jerk response:  JT, Drone and myself, and Kevin Cole, Tom
Speigel(sp?), and others before us have been doing underground
parties and/or promoting the music in Mpls since before it knew it
had an underground. So there.

2-Each promoter tends to have its little family of DJs. Yeah, it kind
of sucks, but I think that's the way it is everywhere. By way of
example, you don't usually see Apollo spinning at LOIS(or NUG or
whatever they're calling themselves) events. With Depth Probe, this
consitency is what has allowed it to remain active for so long. 
Simply put, Depth Probe has been there, for the music, long before
anyone started promoting "raves" in Mpls, and it will still be around
long after we see another round of promoters fade away.

3-We are open to new talent. In fact, we would like to try out a few
new people. So if anyone's interested they can send a tape to JT or
myself. Write to me personally for addresses.

4-Since Depth Probe happens at First Ave, it tends to have a little
more of a club angle to it than your average warehouse party. 
Frankly, we need to attract some of the club crowd that may not
normally be as into raves. Especially now with the 18 and up thing.


So that's the story.
comments/questions welcome.

Depth Probe's focus has always been, and will be, the music, not the
scene.
rich.


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However unrelated, I'd lake to take the time to wish all of those in school,
	GOOD LUCK WITH FINALS

Sincerely,
Miles

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  9 11:57:23 1995
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RFirkins@EMAIL.HGA.COM said:

>1-Knee-jerk response:  JT, Drone and myself, and Kevin Cole, Tom
>Speigel(sp?), and others before us have been doing underground
>parties and/or promoting the music in Mpls since before it knew it
>had an underground. So there.

        Hmmm.. sorry if I misunderstood, but what you said sounds just a
bit egocentric. I understand that ya'll have been doing this for a long ass
time but, as I recall, there were others doing basically the same thing
'before it knew it had an underground'.

>2-Each promoter tends to have its little family of DJs. Yeah, it kind
>of sucks, but I think that's the way it is everywhere. By way of
>example, you don't usually see Apollo spinning at LOIS(or NUG or
>whatever they're calling themselves) events. With Depth Probe, this
>consitency is what has allowed it to remain active for so long.
>Simply put, Depth Probe has been there, for the music, long before
>anyone started promoting "raves" in Mpls, and it will still be around
>long after we see another round of promoters fade away.

        If it wasn't for 'raves' dance music wound have achieved the
popularity it enjoys today.  Like it or not, the media explosion
surrounding the 'rave' scene (good or bad) has boosted its popularity.  I
also recall a rather dry period at First Ave. when there were NO Depth
Probes for a rather long period of time.  Where there 'raves'? Of course.

>3-We are open to new talent. In fact, we would like to try out a few
>new people. So if anyone's interested they can send a tape to JT or
>myself. Write to me personally for addresses.

        This is great.  Like it or not, many people are under the
impression that you all involved in Depth Probe are a little closed to this
idea.  How this idea came about, I have no idea, but that's what many
people think.


>4-Since Depth Probe happens at First Ave, it tends to have a little
>more of a club angle to it than your average warehouse party.
>Frankly, we need to attract some of the club crowd that may not
>normally be as into raves. Especially now with the 18 and up thing.

        Very true.  It would be nice to have an older crowd that isn't into
boozing it up all the time.  Like you said, the focus is on the music.  I'm
sick of going to clubs and having alcohol spilled on me by drunk asses.


        Personally, I've always enjoyed the Depth Probe parties.  Some new
talent would be nice though.  And I hope you didn't take my reply as a
flame, as it was not.




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
                                 web collective/beatPHREAKsociety



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	Contained herein is the location of the celebration...


 	      Saturday, June 10th 1995   -  Indianapolis, IN

      Groovus Maximus, Pimp Scrimp, the Kemistry Krew and Sin Prod.

		       Unite to Bring U:  

		        "BEAT NON-STOP"

	-= A celebration of the rhythms inside our minds =-


     John Acquaviva	    Derrick Carter	David Hollands
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	   Detroit		  Chicago	      NYC


      Sho       Cyberjive       Mike Bryant       Mike Schroff	

		
	  - - - -   with Ambience from Timbient   - - - -
	
	New Downtown Indy Space - Designed for Acoustics

   		Info:	Groovus		317.899.8100
			Pimp Scrimp	   .281.4775
			Kemistry	   .767.5330
			Sin Prod	   .895.4546

	    Again, those that know. . . 

	Beat-Non-Stop will be held inside of UNION STATION in
	
	Downtown Indianapolis.  If you're coming from out of

	town on I-70 or I-74, take I-65 North.  Once on I-65,
	
	take it to the Meridian/Pennsylvania Exit and go South 

	on Meridian.  At the circle, go half-way around and continue
	
	south on Meridian.  Union Station is two blocks South.

	There also are many signs for Union Station once you're
	
	Downtown.   

		You can park in the garage on the left, exit

	at level 3, enter Union Station near "Hooters" (Oh no!),

	and you can't miss it.  If you park on the street, enter
	
	Union Station from Meridian, take the escalator to the top

	and you're there.

		We've chosen this space for acoustics and it's 

	"festive|" atmosphere.  We hope you come to enjoy these

	rhythms and be yourself.  

		Lots of Love,
		I'll miss all of you very much...

	David H.

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  9 13:01:59 1995
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    Hey guys...	
Is anybody going towards S-E States for parties down there? Can you 
please let me know ANYTIME you are thinking of going down there? Those of 
you that are in VRave know why I'm asking!! ;) Also can someone tell me 
what the price is to get to N. Carolina with Amtrak and how long it will 
take to get down there? Thanks for your help in advance! =)

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  9 15:33:29 1995
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From: Rebecca Jill Maslow <rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>
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ok ya'll this is a fun one...

for all of you who remember *AtTrAcTiOn* back in january, this is just
like it.
June 24th, in Cincinnati, Oh. is SUNNY DAY, mark's (dink on vrave) birthday
party day rave.  note the word DAY!!  :)
starts at 2pm, directions will be posted as the event gets closer.  anyone
who wants to spin is welcome to, just let us (me) know in advance.  some
ppl who are gonna spin...
brad (adrock)
anthony
maybe's are...
tigger
jong
devin  <--brad, get him. :)
jason l. <--athens

VEGAN FOOD FOR DINNER!!! :)  (yay, a picnic)
(and other stuff for us carnivours)
other fun stuff...
basketball hoop for fun and games,
bring toys and stuff, i like twister. :)

if you are coming from out of town you are welcome to stay friday night,
we can accommodate you, just let us know in advance. 
this is in a backyard. so please be respectful. it will happen rain or
shine. since this is basically just a net.meet, don't expect a
wall-o-sound, that is not what we are doing here.  we are gonna have fun!! :)
any questions email me privately, if you wanna spin just let me know.
ALSO, that night we are planning to go to Excaliber in cincinnati.

see ya there...
-becca

rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu


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>1-Knee-jerk response:  JT, Drone and myself, and Kevin Cole, Tom
>Speigel(sp?), and others before us have been doing underground
>parties and/or promoting the music in Mpls since before it knew it
>had an underground. So there.

That's fine and good, but the underground has grown and expanded and changed
since those days.  The forms of techno have diversified and the approach to
the whole thing has also changed too.

I certainly appreciate everyone's effort to push the music and all of that.

>Simply put, Depth Probe has been there, for the music, long before
>anyone started promoting "raves" in Mpls, and it will still be around
>long after we see another round of promoters fade away.

Because I think Depth probe is probably alot less stressful and dangerous to
put on then your standard run of the mill rave.  You're in a legal venue,
you have the same DJs, little harassment from the poh-lice etc.

Please understand I'm not trying to belittle Depth Probe at all, because it
is a large outlet for techno music and was, at one time, a centerpiece to
the minneapolis rave/techno scene.  I certainly support that and am behind it.

>3-We are open to new talent. In fact, we would like to try out a few
>new people. So if anyone's interested they can send a tape to JT or
>myself. Write to me personally for addresses.

Part of beatPHREAKsociety's goal in life is the promotion of unknown DJ
talent, so if you email me your addy I can dump a crap load of mix tapes on
you. :)

>4-Since Depth Probe happens at First Ave, it tends to have a little
>more of a club angle to it than your average warehouse party. 
>Frankly, we need to attract some of the club crowd that may not
>normally be as into raves. Especially now with the 18 and up thing.

That's harsh.  :/  Sorry to hear about the 8 and up thing.

>Depth Probe's focus has always been, and will be, the music, not the
>scene.

Yet, without the scene nobody would come to listen to your music.

earache


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--------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------
Hey folxs!
I'm new to the list here (I'm sure some of you know me from vrave), but
I would like to add my $.02 to the police bitterness issue.  I
understand fully that alot of us have been shafted on more than just one
occaision.  Know this well, because I hope not to receive any flame
letters about my opinion...unless you think I might enjoy that. ;)

It seems to me that the majority of the people (at least here in the SE)
who bitch and moan about their experiences with police officers fail to
recognize one important factor (and surely I know that our scene has
been singled out for attack [a very logical political ploy on their
part...and easy, ima] so don't think I am suggesting that all of us are
guilty) and that is that the majority of incidences come as a result
of there being some sort of illegal activity involved.  None of us
like to get harrassed for playing our music - I CERtainly don't, but
I would have to say that on the occaisions that I hear of a bust or
some sort of search or misdemeanor charge, usually I hear also about
either the presence of.....um......shall we say, controlled substances?
or maybe it was a party that began/turned renegade and the resulting
situation was one of trespass and loitering (if not rioting)...or
maybe an open container law was broken or something silly like that.

My point is this:  we are NOT all under attack for the fact that we are
rave kids and that we like techno music.  Although this is what it has
come to seem, the truth is that the public law enforcement would NOT
have come to look heavily our way if we had, at some point in time,
been a little more careful about what we bring to our pahteez.  I am
straightedge, by self declaration and by necessity.  About the most
I could be blamed for (disregarding, of course, the possibility of
wrongful accusation) would be trespassing (oooooh I'm in trouble now).
Folx that are not as I should simply take their...*ahem* unrelated
activities elsewhere and not show up with all kinds of shit on their
person...or keep quiet when their shit hits the fan.

I am not one to say that you should or should not do to your body as
you see fit.  All I am offering is my objective insight into what has
caused so many of us to develop this anti-police sentiment.  If you
are ticked off at them, then act and write your congressman, petition-
ing him/her to pass drug-legalization reforms.  If you are pissed off
at them and think your rights have been violated (due to an illegal
search or harrassment, sexual or otherwise) then include that in your
letter...or write your local paper and start petitions and do SOMEthing
constructive with your anger.  But do NOT sit there like a bump on a
log and bitch and moan and kvetch and whimper and whine.....and then
do nothing.

I love you all and I apologize for having been so strong-mouthed on my
first post.  I know to some that is way uncool, but lemme tellya, we
just held an event (small, but ohhhhhhhh the vibe :) way down here in
Jawja (Georgia) and it went over sooooooo well.  The entire thing was
renegade as hell and we even got busted once.  People had travelled
from 10 and even 12 hours away for our little production and when we
got busted, I was scared as hell that something was gonna go wrong;
that someone woulda dropped something that the cops woulda found and
then all hell woulda broken loose and arrests woulda been made.  I
was petrified cuz it was a friend of mine's party and I didn't want
to see him go down for mere association nor myself for the same.  When
they searched that warehouse, though, about the "hardest" substances
they could find were an empty beer can and two empty bottles of yoohoo.
Can you say cleeeeeeeeeeeeeean?

Well, I've taken up enough bandwidth.  Again, I am sorry if I thoroughly
pissed anyone off by my long post.  Take care and be smart and safe.
All I wish is for the flowers in each heart to overflow with the joys
of life.  May all of your flowers bloom in full.  Peace.

-kyle k.



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On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Professor Earache wrote:

> >	I thought JT, Drone, and E-Tones where all regulars within the
> >minneapolis scene there. 
> 
> Drone and E=Tones are, JT once in awhile.
> 
> I guess my point is/was that there are alot of worthy underground heroes in
> minneapolis: thought, slip, apollo, polter, orion, monte hilleman, josh
> fila, my mom, etc.
	
	Hmm..now im confused.... I always thought monte hilleman was a joke.
was this sarcastic or what? he's the guy who had links with Thump! and 
all that silliness...right? 

> Would just be nice to see some different/fresh talent at a depth probe once
> in awhile.

	Different/fresh talent sometimes comes from other areas. Isn't
depth probe in some club in minneapolis? 5th avenue? :)



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>	Hmm..now im confused.... I always thought monte hilleman was a joke.
>was this sarcastic or what? he's the guy who had links with Thump! and 
>all that silliness...right? 

No, monte hilleman worked for Thump when thump was throwing raves.  The guy
that owns thump was to cheap to pay for big name DJs, so he taught his
employees how to spin and made them spin at his parties.  They got sick of
it and quit.  That's why thump is dissed in minneapolis, well that and other
reasons.

Monte hilleman is a good DJ in his own right, nice guy too.

>	Different/fresh talent sometimes comes from other areas. Isn't
>depth probe in some club in minneapolis? 5th avenue? :)

It's an event thrown at 1st avenue, not the name of a club :)

earache


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Hey all!

Matt MacQueen and I are heading out to Nightcap in D-town tonight.
Keep an eye out for us. I'm short with short blonde hair and Matt is really 
tall with short reddish hair, although he may be wearing a baseball cap.
Also, I actually convinced him to give up some of his old man hang-ups and get 
in to the spirit of the party, so we'll both be wearing pajamas.
He'll be a wearing light blue pajama top and I'll be wearing blue and white 
stripe pajama pants. 

So stop us and say "hi!"

    
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    ^  k-rock                            "Oooh, You wouldn't believe ^ 
    ^  kimberly golebiewski              what she was wearing under  ^ 
    ^                                    that dress!"                ^ 
    ^   kgolebiewski@panda.uiowa.edu                 ---Beastie Boys ^
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So, lovely folx.  How was the Metro show last night?  I'm still bummed I
couldn't go.  :(  What's the scoop?  How was my man, Derrick's set?

peezout
       nate

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This is what that stevenJ chap wrote:
> A lot can be done.  Have you ever noticed that cops wear badges and these
> badges are numbered?  There's a reason for this.  If you don't like the way
> you were treated by a specific cop, get his/her badge number and do
> something about it.  Making anonymous posts to rave mailing lists won't do
> shit about human rights abuses.  Oh yes, these are abuses of human rights.
> Simply because someone is wearing goofy clothing gives no right to a cop to
> harass them in any way. 

Easier said then done.  First off, while the incident is happening, getting the
badge number is the last thing on your mind.  Plus unmarked police do not have
badges on them and these are the poeple that are more likely to give you the
trouble, whis is probobly because of them NOT wearing a badge.  Secondly, 
unless the ratio of perticapent's is greater on your side.. the police will
be more likely to deny the charges and get away with either they had more
witnesses (being other police officers) or the fact of being your word against
thiers.  There will be times were you wil be able to charge the officer with
harassment and actually convict them or whatever they do by either them con-
fessing to it or you having more witnesses that whoever you need to prove it
to will be force to believe you.

mint

or maybe someone will video tape it.  :)
(which nowdays is more probable)
 


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I'm wondering what a cop would do if, upon pulling you over or pulling you
aside from a crowd, you just pulled out a video camera and started taping
the entire situation.  I mean, I can't think of anything that would say you
can't do that, and I would certainly think that would make a cop think twice
about whether what he/she was doing was entirely within the legal limits.
The one problem I see in doing something like this is that it could result
in a dangerous confrontation if you get a cop who's very intent on turning
of the camera and taking away the videotape.  They may not have a right to
do so, but if they can get that tape away from you, it's back to you word
over theirs.

Kent


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> I'm wondering what a cop would do if, upon pulling you over or pulling you
> aside from a crowd, you just pulled out a video camera and started taping
> the entire situation.  I mean, I can't think of anything that would say you
> can't do that, and I would certainly think that would make a cop think twice
> about whether what he/she was doing was entirely within the legal limits.
> The one problem I see in doing something like this is that it could result
> in a dangerous confrontation if you get a cop who's very intent on turning
> of the camera and taking away the videotape.  They may not have a right to
> do so, but if they can get that tape away from you, it's back to you word
> over theirs.

Plus any person can make you turn it off because that would be documenting
somebody without thier permission.  I do believe this is right.  This is
omitted when the tape could be used as eeidence to something, but in a case
about the recording of the plantiff, it favors to the plantiff.

possestion IS ONLY nine tenths of the law.. ;)
mint


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BITCHIN was a damn good party.  it was my first st louis party.  nice scene.
great arch.

i hadnt been that far from home (7 hrs) since like CLOUD 9 in nashville 
in may 94!!!  

but the thing is that it was clear from the get-go that this event was 
far more than a party.  it was a political act.  an act of solidarity 
between women, an attempt to ACT to redress the obvious inequalities that 
exist in the scene as it is now.

"obvious," you say??  "well girls can do it just as good as boys!"  yah yah 
i know, but the point is they aint doin it.  it is REALLY SAD that it 
took something like this, a DELIBERATE attempt to get female dj's under 
one roof...sad that it is so hard to find that many female dj's.  there 
_should_ be female dj's to choose from all over the place.  as it stands, 
the promoters (also women) had to SCROUNGE to find these women (altho some 
crawled out of the woodwork--so to speak--and were turned down later on).

this kind of event should NOT have taken so long to happen.  we are like, 
what...3 or 4 years into the scene now (depending who you ask) and it 
took this long??!?  SHIT!

now, i aint gonna sit and theorize why there aint more girl/women dj's.  
it aint my place to speak for women.  all i can say is that it is about time.
but i will ask some questions which i hope some of you WOMEN can help me 
with.  please, guys...let the women speak first...we drown them out 
enough as it is.  (ugh, was that chivalry?!?!)

but now, for the more normal review-type of shit...

tad and i arrived around 1am only to find mysic bill spinnin, and NOT IN 
DRAG as promised...:(  to add insult to injury the main grrl i wanted to 
see, devil girl, had already spun!!  and somehow i knew i wasnt going to 
hear any paul johnson for the rest of the night :(

but there was a lot i did like, either way.  heather heart took over 
after bill, and ROKKED the house with hard-ass chicago traxx and 
hardtrance/traxx that got faster and faster.  YUUUUUMY!!  plus heather 
was very cool, a very nice and accessible person, considering she lives 
in brooklyn. :)

next was drc from san fran.  i was worried as the san fran scene scares 
me (too much slobreaks/trance for my taste) but i liked most of what this 
chick spun...some eurotrance & weird traxxy shit.  she looked pretty 
hard, too (grrrrrr).

her and kat (sister spinster) tagged for a smidge (a gesture of 
solidarity if ever i saw one) then sister took over for good.  she's a 
kool kat...her stuff is too clubby for me (must be a cleveland thing) but 
i did like a few songs quite a bit.  did she influence dan curtin or did 
dan curtin influence her?  the world may never know...

after kat was suzy cylone from orlando...i LOVED her first few 
songs...electro bass from hell, one song verging on breaks/jungle...but 
then it got too noisy and east-coast for me (i like the midwest music 
coz it leans toward minimal and stripped down so i am biased...).

last, was a gorgeous babe named dj medicine, also from orlando.  i say 
gorgeous (and babe) in the most sexist sense possible, without apology.  she 
was HOT.  blonde hair, long legs, skimpy outfit, star trek communicator, 
etc.  everyone stayed to see her, even tho by the time she spun it was 
like 8am...

well the thing about medicine was that she couldnt mix worth a pinch o shit.

this raises some of those interesting questions...

i recall a little discussion we had on here about female dj's.  on the 
one hand there were people saying that women should not be treated 
special, they should be judged by the same criteria as men.  if they suk 
they suk.  on the other hand we had people saying that it is unfair to 
judge women by the same criteria because that very criteria (and the 
society which created it) is itself male-biased and inherently less fair 
to women.

now i happen to believe both sides of it.  it is no contradiction.  so 
here goes:  i must admit that the women i saw were NOT as competent as 
male dj's of the same stature.  it may have been a problem with the 
monitor or something, but my impression was that these women were not as 
good as most of the male dj's i have seen headlining mw events.  not that 
stature = ability (it clearly doesn't: see keoki) but i want to be plain.

to me, a good dj means tight mixing.  everything else is secondary.  i 
may ENJOY seeing a dj with no skill but great selection, but as far as 
PAYING to see someone, i want good selection AND good ability.  "tight 
mixing" does NOT imply style either, which is a very personal thing (ie 
smooth vs tricky).  im talking about the mike huckabys, the astroboys, 
the bileebobs, the paul johnsons, the john aquavivas of the 
scene...people who have individual styles but whose ability equals their 
stature.

heather heart crashed a few mixes.  drc had some really rough spots as 
well.  suzy was tighter but still sloppy in places.  and medicine couldnt 
mix a beat to save her life.

lest ye think i am being harsh, sister spinster was RIGHT ON.  mad props.

so there, i am evaluating these women based on the criteria of good mixing.

but is that totally fair??  yes and no.  that is the whole problem with 
this whole darn thing is that you CANT just ignore sexism and inequality 
in the scene.  nor should it be an excuse, but it DOES EXIST and IT DOES 
EFFECT women in adverse ways.  

for example:  medicine.  she brings up the hardest issues of all.  the 
rudest thing would be to wonder if she gets gigs based on her looks.
i have no idea myself, but rumor has it that it is true.  is this 
fair???  is this fair to women who are not "gorgeous" in the accepted 
sense?  of course not.

plus: is the criteria fair??  maybe...there isnt anything a man can do 
with a mixer (penis tricks aside) that a woman cant do.  so that IS 
fair.  but what about studies that indicate the deeply-entrenched 
aversion to technology which women feel...from the implied bias in 
most educators and parents (females or males) that technology is a 
"male" thing?  males are taught that technology is "theirs," whereas 
women are taught that first they must LOOK good, and maybe THEN learn about 
male stuff (this may be why the female/male ratio on the net is still 
nowhere near equal).  i dont want arguments here, folks...the above is 
NOT an excuse to whine about inequality...it is a FACT to be dealt with.

another thing: a friend of mine is a female and a dj...and she has been 
called to spin by people she doesnt know JUST BECAUSE she is a girl.  
they have NEVER heard her spin and here they are calling her??  shit i 
wish that would happen to me.  even WITH a tape i could probably never get 
a REAL gig...(he he).  the point is: getting her to spin BECAUSE she is a 
girl is an insult to her abilities as a DJ.  simultaneously she wouldnt 
GET gigs unless she was a girl.  NICE CONTRADICTION, AINT IT?!?!?

so right there, you see that women ARE treated different and no amount of 
idealism is going to change that.  

again, as always, the question is: what to do about it?

well i got two women to spin at our next event.  i knew it was 
problematic from the start.  i felt icky about the sort of condescending 
attitude which was implied by "letting the girls spin"...like i am some 
kind of altruist that's going to save them and get women involved???  
shit i am not THAT egotistical...but it felt bad nevertheless.  on the 
other hand, i am NOT a woman, yet i feel the necessity to put my money 
where my mouth is.  if the scene is unfair to women, then i am goin to do 
my little part to change that.  so it was a political act on my part as well.
i feel that at least if i have a few women spin whenever i can, then 
their presence MAY encourage other girls/women to do it.  they will SEE 
women doing it and hopefully say: "hey, I could do that!" 

i feel the contradicions...but there are so few women dj's (or producers but 
thats a whole nother ball o wax--pun intended) that in a way we have to 
put up with it until there is some semblance of equality.

sad thing is, many women dont see it at all.  of all the women and girls 
i saw at BITCHIN, i think very few looked at the party as an attempt 
to bring more women together to have a voice within the scene.

i could be wrong, but i have the feeling i am not.

one good sign tho:  most of the dj's talked to each other a lot.  looks like 
something like BITCHIN will happen again...

a last point: why am _I_, a male, the one to be bringing this up again???  
well i will answer my own question...it is because the battle is my own 
as well.  i have less at stake, but maybe not?  i just hope i am not in the 
way. 

plus, the chicks dig it.

*duck*
++
e d

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From: Mark Brotherton <mbrother@umich.edu>
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Hey, all.

To begin, the ORB show in Detroit on Saturday night was absolutely 
amazing.  I was pleasantly surprised by how hard they kicked it!  The 
entire set-up was right on:  Six mammoth super-intelibeams doing some of 
the most freaky lights I've seen in awhile.  They must have had a crew 
programming for weeks before they hit the road with the show.  Everything 
from slow morphin splotchies to hi-definition imagry on the drop screen.  
Aurally they utilized the basic St. Andrews stax, which do the trick, but 
aren't quite the surround sound I would have expected.  Musically they 
did pieces from all of their albums (including some tweaky sounds from 
Pomme Fritz).  The masters of Dub kept me wigglin' until the club booted 
every1 out at 2am.  

Then...my good friend Virtual was hanging outside when lo a behold, 
Andrew Weatherall walked past.  Da V-man got on the go and invited Andy 
and the bunch (Nick, Dr. Alex, and a few other folks whose names escaped 
me in the excitement) to go to Nightcap with us.  They were going to ride 
in my car (oh my god I'll never wash the seats) but actually had other 
transportation arranged for them.  At any rate, we got into Nightcap as 
part of their retinue (yay!)--big SHOUT out to TC and Jason for that 
hook.  Dr. Alex Patterson, Andy, Nick et al were way cool friendly 
sorts.

Nightcap was a bit sparse (the ORB was wall-to-wall).  Whilst I was 
there, too many people were sittin on their butts in the ambient room, 
and less than half their number were on the main floor.  The old 
Warehouse club is a great space, but almost too much space for the number 
who turned out.  I was out de door by 3:30 am so it may have picked up 
later.  Musically, tho, things sounded jes fine.  And watching all of the 
detroit crowd groove around in PJs was fun.

At any rate, if you missed or will miss the ORB on tour, I'm very very 
sorry.  And I do hope that TC and crowd do the nightcap thing again on a 
night where there isn't as much competition.

Next week:  Billeebob and the Magic Carnival.  Peace Out!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Mark Alan Brotherton                           aka Digerati0 on #rave 

  As the unity of the modern world becomes increasingly a technological 
  rather than a social affair, the techniques of the arts provide the most 
  valuable means of insight into the real direction  of our own collective 
  purposes.
                 ---Marshall McCluhan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 12 08:33:26 1995
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At 04:37 AM 12/6/95 -0400, eluna wrote:
>plus: is the criteria fair??  maybe...there isnt anything a man can do 
>with a mixer (penis tricks aside) that a woman cant do.  so that IS 
>fair.  but what about studies that indicate the deeply-entrenched 
>aversion to technology which women feel...from the implied bias in 
>most educators and parents (females or males) that technology is a 
>"male" thing?  males are taught that technology is "theirs," whereas 
>women are taught that first they must LOOK good, and maybe THEN learn about 
>male stuff (this may be why the female/male ratio on the net is still 
>nowhere near equal).  i dont want arguments here, folks...the above is 
>NOT an excuse to whine about inequality...it is a FACT to be dealt with.
>
        first i want to commend ed on his "sensitive" comments and giving us
a very equal evalution of both sides of the story...now for some insights
based on my personal experience...
        i wanted to be a dj...all my friends spun...all my friends were
guys...the only guys who actually had turntables were really good technical
djs who had been doing it for years...they always said, you can use them
anytime; however, whenever anyone was over they were fighting over the
turntables...
        i was intimidated.  it took me a long time.  it took me sneaking up
to the turntable when no one was home.  trying to mix with the volums low.
it's very discouraging to go on after one of my friends has just done some
rad mixes for the last 30 minutes and they say, "hollee, wanna play." and
then i get on and it's a train wreck...i had great records, but i couldn't
mix for shit.
        now i'm saving to get my own tables, and am doing better.  but the
intimidation is still there.  i was afraid to ask what every little thing on
the mixer did. wouldn't i just look like a dumb girl when eveyone else knew
what they were doing? intimidated, discouraged, small.  that's how i and
most girls feel, in fact my other girl friends would never even go near the
tables whereas some other guys who i looked like derrick may compared to
would walk right up and wreck a few trains.
        the fact is my friends didn't mind that i was bad.  they were too
the first time they played. they didn't think a thing of it.  but it was the
ideas i had stuck in my head that intimidated me.  any of you who know me
know that i am not easily intimidated...hey i got some respect from detroit
;)...but djing is a boys club...not to mention producing...can anyone name a
single female producer, or two? i know i can't.
        at any rate people were saying that with a little more practice i
could get gigs.  yes, becaue i was a girl.  and if you are a girl who can
mix...you can rule the world...ms djax is good, jackie 69 is good, i haven't
heard any others that i liked...
        all i have to say is keep practicin ladies...and ed, i too wnated to
have some female djs at a party of mine, but by my standards, they justa
aren't as good.  i judge by mixing skills and i like djs to have style...
this created a problem because i wanted to give women opportunities to spin,
but many just aren't that good...maybe it's because they need the
opportunities to adjust to playing for big crowds...

peaceout,
hollee


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I noticed that Devil Girl had not been mentioned, and she started. Yes, 
she was Bitchin'.  She played one of my favs early on, Paul Johnson's "Who's 
Pussy's this?"  That was enough to get my ass in gear and stop hangin 
outside.  Devil girl had a sweet set, but then she was followed by Mystic 
Bill.  He sucks.  I didnt like his mixes, most dropping in like bowling ball.
He had like three decent tunes, and they were all in a row.  Some electro 
soundin' business.  If he didnt feel that it was so necessary to adjust the 
frequencies all the way up to distortion, and pin the outgoing levels 
monitor on red, maybe he would have sounded tolerable.   But on the night 
of "BTichin',"  Mystic Bill was serious schwag, and not in drag.  It just 
sounded like he tweaked out real early, his set was so fuckin random.
	I was saved after an hour and a half (like 1am) by  HEATHER 
HEART, and my oh my she was the shit! The maddest of props out to her
and the wicked ass set starting with an old Kraftwerk classic and ending 
with some really hard ass techno-acid-hardcore. Heather Heart was da jam, 
she made it worth the $13 al by herself.

robitie
c546488@cclabs.missouri.edu

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apologies for the bandwidth to those of you who aren't involved in the
Minneapolis scene...

-Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
web collective/beatPHREAKsociety
wrote:
>>> Hmmm.. sorry if I misunderstood, but what you said sounds just a
bit egocentric. I understand that ya'll have been doing this for a
long ass time but, as I recall, there were others doing basically the
same thing.

Sorry if that came off with too much attitude; just trying to give
some credit to some people I respect who have been working at this
for a long time.

>>> If it wasn't for 'raves' dance music wound have achieved the
popularity it enjoys today.

I didn't mean to knock the rave scene at all, or to imply that Depth
Probe was something else.
I just use the quotes on "rave" because I don't think that anyone
really likes to use that word anymore, but no one has a better one.

>>> This is great.  Like it or not, many people are under the
impression that you all involved in Depth Probe are a little closed
to this idea.  How this idea came about, I have no idea, but that's
what many people think.

I don't think its an inaccurate impression. There's a long history as
to why certain people are involved and others aren't.  And it always
has been kind of a close group of people. But Miss Miss was added
only recently; admittedly she's much more a part of the club scene
rather than the rave scene.
The big problem with adding people is that it's only a 6 hour event
(7pm to 1am) in one room.
And people don't really show up 'til 10. So with 6 DJs, that's an
hour each, (minus time for 2 live band cameos) - and 3 of those
aren't even playing to much of a crowd.
Also, since Depth Probe doesn't really happen very frequently or
regularly, it's even more of a problem to try to work in new people.
But we'd like to try to when we can. 

Overall, I didn't mean to sound too elitist, and I don't want to make
it sound like Depth Probe is something other than just another facet
of the Mpls scene as a whole.

rich.


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From: Steve J White <aragorn@csd.uwm.edu>
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Subject: beyond music beyond
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In a technologically-induced stupor, RFirkins@EMAIL.HGA.COM flatly stated...
[...]
::The big problem with adding people is that it's only a 6 hour event
::(7pm to 1am) in one room.
::And people don't really show up 'til 10. So with 6 DJs, that's an
::hour each, (minus time for 2 live band cameos) - and 3 of those
::aren't even playing to much of a crowd.
[...]

This is something I've been thinking about for a *long* time.  I suppose it
harks back to the thread I started about big parties vs.
whatever-else-you-wanna-go-to, but this is something that is at the heart of
this issue.

Most large-scale events start around 10-11pm and go 'til...  well, as long
as they can b4 someone/thing busts them up.  The median time that parties
last (in my experience) is ~8 hours.  If there's only one room with sound in
it, does it really make sense to have between 6-10 dj's?  

I've been dj'ing for about 9 months now; the last 3 months of that time
actively dj'ing at parties.  Spinning for only an hour sucks, IMHO.  By the
time 50 minutes has lapsed your set is just building to a nice groove.
Yeah, yeah.  You could say something like, "Man, if you can't set up a good
groove in 15-20 minutes, you suck."  I think that's bullshit.

When it comes to developing a 'feeling' (or vibe) with music it's going to take
time.  Maybe it's simply that people have become lazy or want instant
gratification.  If each dj only gets one hour to spin then (s)he's going to
throw down his/her coolest material right away without any chance of setting
up a good aural environment.

Maybe what I'm talking about isn't what parties are about anymore.  Any
comments?

- stevenJ


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> From: Steve J White <aragorn@csd.uwm.edu>
> I've been dj'ing for about 9 months now; the last 3 months of that time
> actively dj'ing at parties.  Spinning for only an hour sucks, IMHO.  By the
> time 50 minutes has lapsed your set is just building to a nice groove.
> Yeah, yeah.  You could say something like, "Man, if you can't set up a good
> groove in 15-20 minutes, you suck."  I think that's bullshit.

I agree and I disagree.  I prefer spinning for longer, but
short sets also have their advantages.

* Gives more DJs an opportunity to spin.
* If I don't like a given DJ/style of music, I know that a
  new DJ will be coming up relatively soon.

I think 1 hour is a good amount of time to build a groove,
stay there for awhile, even change things up a bit during
that time... The majority of my sets have been 1 hour long,
and for the most part, I've found that 1 hour sets are just
fine.

P.S. Send me a tape, steve! :)

-Sho

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Ian MacLachlan writes:

>The music? What to say...three top notch DJs...eight hours.... it was 
>amazing. Towards the end of his set Rich played what sounded like 
>acetates of his new material... something to look forward to, believe me.

*sob*  Next time I cut my sister's graduation.  She'll understand.  :)

Hopefully the fliers they send out to PP members will be early or on time
for such future excurions.

My postcard, received Monday, did indicate it's name was "Sunday Session #1",
which clearly leads to the conclusion that others will happen.

The attached post appeared on the 313 and idm lists.  Melody Maker might
have gotten a wire crossed, as they probably saw the blurb in Spin (rember
Becca's post?) or the blurb in Rolling Stone (which was essentially the
same thing).  READ: The information MIGHT be wrong!


-Andrew



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From: "Alan M. Parry" <fluid@hyperreal.com>
To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.com>
cc: 313@hyperreal.com
Subject: (313) Plastikman


 According to the latest issue of Melody Maker, Richie Hawtin has been 
banned from ever entering the United States after his was stopped at the 
border a month or so ago with a car full of musical gear but without a work 
visa. Charges were filed and Richie is apparently getting some lawyers 
together..


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 12 18:49:12 1995
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 02:55:28 -0600 (MDT)
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right on! productions 
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Subject: Your Guide To Greek Raves! (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:25:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nicko Demeter <ndemet1@tigger.cc.uic.edu>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: Your Guide To Greek Raves!


   Hi there,
I send that same message to Mr. Bill but here it is again. This time 
edited to fit your needs! Basically I think that sould explain about how 
Greece is. However if you have more questions please feel free to contact 
me, ok? So, there goes nothing!
 

--Mykonos: Chances are that you will find a rave in every corner in August. You
           will party with Jean Paul Gautier and Elton John. Yes, my friend.
           Mykonos is the place to be if you want your share of the 15 min of
           fame! =) Places to go are Loft, Paralia, and any party that you get
           the chance to go!

--Rhodes: Now that's a more civilized version of Mykonos. Less sex and drugs
          but the same party animals. Never went there though because the place
          just didn't feel right for me, the lower-than-the-average person! =)
          Hehehehe you can find good clubs and good drinks if you pay the price
          at the door. Also you will see more Harley's there than in the whole
          Winsconsin! =)
 
Things you want to remember when you go there are that people are more likely
to do "clubbing" than "partying". That is when people prefer to go to the same
place every night for various reasons! Also the raves are adjusted to that same
fashion too. To do a rave there you need to go and talk with the owner of the
club. If everything works out you will have something like: "Tonight at X:
Jungle presenting Mr. Tin". So people will go to one place but they will be
part of many raves every different night. Names to remember are Loft, X, Buzios
Factory (that's where i was!), and Jungle. Also british groups like Prodigy and
others will be coming to Greece this summer. Hopefully you'll catch them all on
time. People are very friendly there. Again,
from all the islands Mykonos is the one the will be the Rave
island of the next generation. I know that sounds cheezy but wait till you go
and see! =) That's about it then. I have to tell you that extremely jealous of
you going back to Greece and I would just die to be on the plane with you but
someone need to pay tuition and fees! =) Go there with and open mind and try
to be in the center of everything. I hope this helped you. This message 
will be forwarded to the list so it will be an aid to others that want 
to get the feel of that country. Thanks...
 
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 23:59:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "jason :)" <sound@grfn.ORG>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: Dan Curtin



i think dan curtin (ohio) is one of *the* greatest electronic dance musicians
on the planet (in the same category as kraftwerk, drexciya, webern, 
stockhausen, ...um, im getting carried away)  I'm now listening to his 
double pack "the silicon dawn on peacefrog, and i frankly think it just 
about blows juan's new double,
"deep space" *out of the water*.  dans shit is constanly changing into 
new muscal directions...one dan curtin track equals approximately 5 or 
six tracks from just about anybody else; thats how dense with innovation
dans tracks are. (if you've heard the constant change of his music 
you'll understand what the hell i'm saying with this equation).
if anybody wants to sell trade some dan curtin shit w/ me, im up for it.
also, if any of you ohio cats know what equipment he uses i'd be muy
interested. 

if any of youz havent bought any dan curtin shit, do so NOW! 

this has been an uncharateristically enthusiastic post from:
jason


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From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:05:49 CST
To: so-deep@netcom.com, idm@hyperreal.com, nw-raves@hyperreal.com,
        dcraves@american.edu, ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com,
        lowlands@xs4all.nl, socal-raves@UCSD.edu, 313@hyperreal.com,
        PB-CLE-RAVES@Telerama.lm.com, um_raves@w3eax.umd.edu,
        dhanna@mail.sas.upenn.edu, beccamd@netcom.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com,
        destiny@passport.ca, fl-raves@cybernet.cse.fau.edu,
        wells@physics.purdue.edu
Subject: Networking

Greetings All,

  I would like to regard this post to all of the independent dance producers
out there trying to get recognized.  After all of the frustration, trial and
errors, and senseless delays cause of manufacturers and distributors screw-ups
trying to get my release out there, I don't want none of this to happen to any
of you out there so I'm willing to share my experiences with you....

 I'm interested in working wit others to set up some kind of legit network
related to getting our dance music as much exposure as possible. As for me, I
got some very good connections in the Chicago House scene as well as info that
may be helpful in getting your product out there.  I;m not asking for any money
just be sincere with your request and have a damn good product. So if you are a
independent dance artist, feel free to ask me any questions, I will be glad to
help.  Just tired of watching potiential dance producers being passed by cause
they made the same mistake I made earlier.

Peace,

Zheam ibn Ismail
http://www.siu.edu/departments/iotaphi/mxc.htm



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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 23:51:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "jason :)" <sound@grfn.ORG>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Cc: mw-raves-digest@hyperreal.com
Subject: Re: MW-Raves-Digest V1 #133

hey all,
I've got a copy of the ultra-elusive Dopplereffekt 7-inch (400 copies)
that I'm willing to trade for Sterac "Sitting on Clouds" on 100% Pure.
Have plenty others to trade if you dont want the Dopplereffekt.
jason


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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:11:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr bill <whtanksl@hamlet.uncg.edu>
To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
Subject: new tape: Let Love Shine


The new tape is out, if you'd like a copy, here's the info:

DJ Mr. Bill - "Let Love Shine"
90 minutes in the mix
progressive trance/trip hop and more

recorded on high-quality Maxell XLII cassettes w/ full color insert.

tapes are just $6 for net-ravers (local stores charge $10-$12)
if ordering, please send money-order or check. If sending cash, be sure
to CONCEAL it, so it doesn't show...

dj mr. bill / bill tanksley
336 bellemeade, #201
greensboro, NC  27401

ph: 910-370-9725
e-mail: whtanksl@turing.uncg.edu
        djmrbill1@aol.com

thanks for your support,

:)   bill




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From: {*** censored ***}
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 23:02:46 -0400
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: JenHill Lollipop

HI KIDS!!!!
Just wanted to say hi from buffalo!!!
The job is going great!!  I actually like selling magazines door to door!!!
 I get to travel, meet great people, etc!!!
I miss everyone off vrave!!!!
Send me flyers and letters!!!
I love you all!!!
Jen Hill (lollipop-Wanna lick my sukka)

p.s. DON'T SEND EMAIL TO THIS ADDRESS!!!
p.p.s.  Mail stuff to me at  Jen Hill  c/o Superstar Sales
                              2907 Harborview Dr. Suite D-200
                              Gig Harbor, WA  98335


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Subject: DIESELBOY MIX TAPE AVAILABLE (fwd)
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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:06:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "'The Professional'" <damian+@pitt.edu>
Subject: DIESELBOY MIX TAPE AVAILABLE
To: ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu
cc: sf-raves@hyperreal.com, socal-raves@UCSD.EDU, se-raves@american.edu,
        dcraves@american.edu, ausrave@ansto.gov.au,
        flraves@cybernet.cse.fau.edu, mw-raves@hyperreal.com,
        nw-raves@wimsey.bc.ca, pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com,
        breaks@xmission.com

everyone . . .


	finally...after what seemed like forever...my new mix tape
	is finally back from the mastering plant and ready for purchase.
	for all those interested . . .


	.:    WITNESS THE STRENGTH 95    :.
	.: ninety minutes with dieselboy :.

	.  freestyle mixing with no edits
	.  professionally recorded and mixed down from DAT
	.  full color j-card with stamped clear cassette
	.  a quality collection of hard jungle and deep drum and bass
	.  featuring photek, studio pressure, source direct and more
 

	my only regret is that this tape, created in late january, has
	taken so long to be made available to the public.  many of the
	tracks are from records that were released in december and
	january.  i do not feel that the tape sounds 'dated', but i am
	unhappy with the fact that it isn't my newest stuff.  please
	accept my sincerest apologies.  

	if anyone is interested, they can contact me at <damian+@pitt.edu>
	for information on how to order this tape.  and please forward this
	letter to anyone that you think may want a copy.  thank you.

.: damian / dieselboy
.: holdin it all down



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In a technologically-induced stupor, Andrew Bennett flatly stated...
[...]
::The new tape is out, if you'd like a copy, here's the info:
::
::DJ Mr. Bill - "Let Love Shine"
::90 minutes in the mix
::progressive trance/trip hop and more
[...]

Just for clarification, this is *NOT* Mr. Bill from Milwaukee, WI.  It may
seem obvious to many but believe me, it is not the same person.  And now
back to...

















...the music, silly.   :P


OnNow:	Dreamlab - MLO

- stevenJ


trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
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>In a technologically-induced stupor, Andrew Bennett flatly stated...
>[...]
>::The new tape is out, if you'd like a copy, here's the info:
>::
>::DJ Mr. Bill - "Let Love Shine"
>::90 minutes in the mix
>::progressive trance/trip hop and more
>[...]
>
>Just for clarification, this is *NOT* Mr. Bill from Milwaukee, WI.  It may
>seem obvious to many but believe me, it is not the same person.  And now
>back to...


And I didn't say that in a technologically-induced stupor either. :) I just
forwarded it.  I did some email box cleaning this evening, as you can tell.
For the most part I'm done.  I got rid of about 400 recent messages, but I
still have about 350 to go, so I might forward some relevant stuff *tomorrow*.  I'm done for the evening.


OnNow: Moody Boyz _Recycled for the Environment_



Andrew
--
   Andrew Bennett
   abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com
   http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 12 21:52:53 1995
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From: Bradley John Owen <synergy@csd.uwm.edu>
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For those who care...
My latest mix tape is now finished and available...

Synergy - The Masterplan Volume One

Track Listing
-Chantal...The Realm (Hardfloor Remix) (Step 2 House, France)
-Mister Monday...Future (See Da Future Mix) (Open, UK)
-J. Daniel...The Way (Climacz Mix) (UMM, Italy)
-Maurice...Got Me Burnin (Pierre's Pitch Fo Yo Ass Mix) (Strictly Rhythm, US)
-Salt City Orchestra...The Storm (Hard Times Club Mix) (Tribal, UK)
-Mijangos...Transform (Aqua Boogie, US)
-Ralphi Rosario...Brinca (Ralphie's Vox) (Nite Stuff, Italy)

-Full Intention...Shake Your Body  (Sugar Daddy, US)
-Anorak Trax Volume One...Jammin' Til The End Of Time (Emotive, US)
-Travis Nelson...Sountrack (Planet Record, UK)
-Heller N Farley Project...B-Boy Black (Roach Motel Mix) (JBO, UK)
-Chez Damier...Can U Feel It (MK Dub) (KMS, US)
-MK...Burning (95 Remix) (White Label, UK)
-Julie Brannon...Keep My Love Alive (Tranz-o-Matic Mix) (Rollin Tune, Italy)
-Disco Elements...Feel The Body Heat (Azuli, UK)
-Sons Of Bo'dan...Tear The Roof Of (Strawberry, UK)

Price is Ten Bux (including shipping).
Orders can be directed to this account or the Massive Voice Mail 
(414) 777.3982.  

Thanx Alot...
Brad Synergy Quadrasonic Massive


ps. coming soon...dj nick nice vs synergy tapes.


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 12 22:08:50 1995
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, but then she was followed by Mystic
>Bill.  He sucks.  I didnt like his mixes, most dropping in like bowling ball.



Mystic Bill doesn't suck.

Adam



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         beatPHREAKsociety (minneapolis)

                    _ and _

              G.O.C.T. (milwaukee)

        are coming together to bring you ...

     --_  L  _  I  _  Q  _  U  _  I  _  D  _--

      an 18 hour outdoor event in Minneapolis


           ... bringing the noize ...


        DJ Casper
         - Chi-Town's Happy Hardcore Don

        Devil Girl
         - St. Louis's Evil Mistress of House

        Sho
         - Indiana's Director of experiMental Grooves

        Apollo
         - Minneapolis's Minister of Hard Acid

        Drone
         - The man.

          ... providing the ether ...

        Slip                Dale Fresh
        Orion               Josh & NiMH
        Thought             Karma One
        Earache             Equilibrium
        Gabber Girl         Polter
        Josh Fila           Chris Sattinger
        Tempest             Mushroom Cloud
        & others ...

                ... live PA's ...

                    Invisible
           Auto-Kinetic & Freddie Fresh

                .................

       intelligent liquids by Ready, Set, Go!

         two sound systems under the stars

 Tickets $12 ($10 with 2 cans of non-perishable food)

All food to be donated to the Minneapolis Food Shelter


          ... for further information ...

   Minneapolis / beatPHREAKsociety - 1.612.331.4964
   Milwaukee   / G.O.C.T.          - 1.414.256.1717
   Internet    / eventz@beatphreak.com
                 http://www.beatphreak.com/webphreak

-------------------------------------------------------

Tickets for net.ravers are $8, but email must be sent
to netraver@beatphreak.com, with your name and the name
of one other guest in the email message.  :)

-------------------------------------------------------

 This party is a fund raiser to pay back the money we
     expended on our sound system at Even Furthur.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------

earache
beatPHREAKsociety



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Forwarded message:
From rothrock@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 11 14:52:50 1995
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                 Insomniac Productions (Chattanooga) and 
                 Velocity Promotions (Knoxville) present

----------------------------------------------------------------------

        ////  ///  /   / ///// /      ///  /////   
      /     /   / // // /     /     /   /   /      June 17, 1995
     /     ///// / / / ////  /     /   /   /       
    /     /   / /   / /     /     /   /   /        Knoxville, TN
    //// /   / /   / ///// /////  ///    /         

----------------------------------------------------------------------

      2 rooms of mindblowing talent + an outdoor chill out space

  Rabbit in the Moon           Tampa (Hardkiss/Hallucination Rec.)
  Scott Henry                  Baltimore/DC (Fever/Buzz/Sunday Mass)
  DJ Who                       Baltimore/DC
  Dieselboy                    Pittsburgh (Technical Itch Records UK)
  Mr. Bill                     Greensboro, NC (Hypersonic/Babylon)
  Chip B.                      Nashville (BAM/Anode)
  DJ Three Sixty               Chattanooga (Insomniac Posse)
  Oracle                       Knoxville (Velocity Promotions)
  Lary Breaks                  Nashville (BAM/Anode)
  Matt Beasley                 Chattanooga (Insomniac Posse)
  Jace                         Nashville (aka Wizdom)
  Slink-E                      Knoxville/Phoenix
  Birdman                      Atlanta (American Scream)
  O.D.                         Memphis
  D.A.P.T.                     Knoxville
  Lil' Jen                     Atlanta (Starchildren)
  Sean Cantinella & DJ Kasi    Knoxville (Fresh Groove Records)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

main Camelot info lines:       Knoxville     Velocity    615.558.1044
                               Chattanooga   Insomniac   615.954.2313

              state of the art intelligent lighting and
                subsonic rumblings by Active (Atlanta)

               magical medieval smart tonics by merlin

       staging and scenery specially constructed for this event

        visuals by Factory (Orlando), Optimystiq (Nashville),
              and the retunal Xtremist (Chattanooga)

  FREE Vrave access for pre-registered vravers w/verified accounts
                       (rothrock@cs.utk.edu)

  in the gypsies camp... vendors on hand from near and far offering
 glow toys, records, art work, jewelry, clothing and other fun stuff
                      to show, tell, and sell

                     herbal ecstacy by eXcalibur

             free tap H2O   ---   bottled H2O available

   NO ALCOHOL, SPRAY PAINT/MARKERS, BOTTLES/CANS, OR BAD ATTITUDES
        plese bring a positive attitude, and it will multiply

----------------------------------------------------------------------

              National Guard Armory on Sutherland Ave.
              full directions will be posted Wednesday

  Admission $15   ---   tix @ the door only   ---   no re-entry fee



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 13 04:26:29 1995
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just a reminder the next PLRM should be coming out on 6/25

so any promotors, record lable owners, vendors that wanted
ad space in this coming issue. i need the ads by 6/24 @ the
very latest. if yur interested in advertising in this coming
ish, please contact me 4 r dirt cheap rates.

also anyone that i spoke 2 about doing reviews/articles -
u know who u r..deadline - 6/24 - the very latest. if u want
2 write up something 4 the upcoming ish, please send 
submissions 2 me via e-mail.


get yur voices heard. get it printed in PLRM.

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 13 06:33:29 1995
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At 12:41 AM 6/11/95 -0400, Andrew Bennett wrote:

>My postcard, received Monday, did indicate it's name was "Sunday Session #1",
>which clearly leads to the conclusion that others will happen.
>
        does anyone have the plastikproducts number handy...i don't have
mine with me and i need to give em a call...
thanx a ton...
*kiss*
hollee


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At 12:11 AM 6/14/95 +0500, Adam Goldstein wrote:
>
>, but then she was followed by Mystic
>>Bill.  He sucks.  I didnt like his mixes, most dropping in like bowling ball.
>
>
>
>Mystic Bill doesn't suck.
>
                mystic bill is the bomb...
        nuf said...
hollee


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From: Nicholas James Demeter <ndemet1@icarus.cc.uic.edu>
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   OK, if you are one of those lucky ppl that will take a out-of-state 
vacation you might wanna check this out. VRave is already full of ppl 
saying that this event will rock. Liz will be there (sniff!) so if you 
are there tell her hi from me ok? =)


                 Insomniac Productions (Chattanooga) and 
                 Velocity Promotions (Knoxville) present

----------------------------------------------------------------------

        ////  ///  /   / ///// /      ///  /////   
      /     /   / // // /     /     /   /   /      June 17, 1995
     /     ///// / / / ////  /     /   /   /       
    /     /   / /   / /     /     /   /   /        Knoxville, TN
    //// /   / /   / ///// /////  ///    /         

----------------------------------------------------------------------

      2 rooms of mindblowing talent + an outdoor chill out space

  Rabbit in the Moon           Tampa (Hardkiss/Hallucination Rec.)
  Scott Henry                  Baltimore/DC (Fever/Buzz/Sunday Mass)
  DJ Who                       Baltimore/DC
  Dieselboy                    Pittsburgh (Technical Itch Records UK)
  Mr. Bill                     Greensboro, NC (Hypersonic/Babylon)
  Chip B.                      Nashville (BAM/Anode)
  DJ Three Sixty               Chattanooga (Insomniac Posse)
  Oracle                       Knoxville (Velocity Promotions)
  Lary Breaks                  Nashville (BAM/Anode)
  Matt Beasley                 Chattanooga (Insomniac Posse)
  Jace                         Nashville (aka Wizdom)
  Slink-E                      Knoxville/Phoenix
  Birdman                      Atlanta (American Scream)
  O.D.                         Memphis
  D.A.P.T.                     Knoxville
  Lil' Jen                     Atlanta (Starchildren)
  Sean Cantinella & DJ Kasi    Knoxville (Fresh Groove Records)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

main Camelot info lines:       Knoxville     Velocity    615.558.1044
                               Chattanooga   Insomniac   615.954.2313

              state of the art intelligent lighting and
                subsonic rumblings by Active (Atlanta)

               magical medieval smart tonics by merlin

       staging and scenery specially constructed for this event

        visuals by Factory (Orlando), Optimystiq (Nashville),
              and the retunal Xtremist (Chattanooga)

  FREE Vrave access for pre-registered vravers w/verified accounts
                       (rothrock@cs.utk.edu)

  in the gypsies camp... vendors on hand from near and far offering
 glow toys, records, art work, jewelry, clothing and other fun stuff
                      to show, tell, and sell

                     herbal ecstacy by eXcalibur

             free tap H2O   ---   bottled H2O available

   NO ALCOHOL, SPRAY PAINT/MARKERS, BOTTLES/CANS, OR BAD ATTITUDES
        plese bring a positive attitude, and it will multiply

----------------------------------------------------------------------

              National Guard Armory on Sutherland Ave.
              full directions will be posted Wednesday

  Admission $15   ---   tix @ the door only   ---   no re-entry fee





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     _______________________________________________________________________
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                         * No one knows for sure...  *
                         * But I intend to find out. *
                         ***********REBOOT!*********** 





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                      i l l u m i n a t o r

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                         MONDAY JULY 3, 1995

                           dayton.ohio.usa


Featuring an extended 5+ hours set by top European dj,
L A U R E N T   G A R N I E R
(F Communications)

A limited LIVE p.a. from the UK's
S Y S T E M  7
(aka 777)

Straight outta London,
D A V E   A N G E L
(Rotation Records)


JOHN ACQUAVIVA           TERRY MULLAN                DJ DAN
+8/Definitive Records    Frictional Rec's, Chicago   Wicked Crew, SanFrancisco

DAVID HOLLANDS           HECKLE & JEKKYL             ASTROBOY
Minimal Wage, NYC        Detroit                     St. Louis

MARSHAL VILLAROSA         Dan Bell                   SLEEPY C
Mars Prod's, New Jersey   DBX, Detroit               Groove Records, Cleveland

ARASH                     JIMI                       GOODWILL
Illuminator, Dayton       Illuminator, Dayton        Zenith crew, Delaware

                          DETRICK
                          Prototype 909, NYC



Massive servo-driven bass in the Junglists Arena:

  DIESELBOY                                  JJ JELLYBEAN
  Players Club International, Pittsburgh     Chicago Hardcore Authority

  ANDROMEDA                                  PHANTOM 45
  Columbus, Galaxy Xpress 999                Chicago Hardcore Authority



Ambient Chill Out DJ's:
  MATTHEW HAWTIN                   FULLBRAIN                   POLARIS


I N F O R M A T I O N
513.496.1071 ... General Info and directions from East/West
513.496.1013 ... General Info and directions from North/South
513.496.1021 ... Pre/After-party party info
513.496.1028 ... Ticket sales locations / Lodging info


REGIONAL INFORMATION LINES/BUS INFO:

Dreamer (Cleveland)    216.238.1451  Cin Line (Cincinnati)       513.665.6575
EleMental (Columbus)   614.470.0929  Pimp Scrimp (Indianapolis)  317.767.5808
Sin (Indianapolis)     317.895.4546  Get Smart (Detroit)         313.730.2202
Bileebob (Detroit)     313.417.4709  Cat In The Hat (Chicago)    312.918.5186
Ripe (Chicago)         312.509.6453  C Plus (Chicago)            312.409.3430
ATP (Chicago)          312.509.8068  Drop Bass (Milwaukee)       414.777.3998
BAM (Nashville)        615.780.3730  Chamber Of Dreams (Atlanta) 404.250.8230
Kansas City            913.791.3860  Ultraworld (Baltimore)      410.880.7031
Happy Girl (Toledo)    419.534.6969  Reflexions (Green Bay)      414.924.8314
Extasis (Quad Cities)  309.757.5323  Velocity (Knoxville)        615.558.1044
Insomniac (Chattanooga)615.954.2313  Satellite (Atlanta)         404.908.7308
Fab (Denver)           303.575.5637  Underground,Inc (Pittsburgh)412.734.1467
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On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Adam Goldstein wrote:

> 
> , but then she was followed by Mystic
> >Bill.  He sucks.  I didnt like his mixes, most dropping in like bowling ball.
> 
> 
> 
> Mystic Bill doesn't suck.
> 
> Adam
> 
Dearest Adam,
You obviously were not at "Btichin'."  Had you been there, then you may 
have had the same opinion that I have. That of Mystic Bill's weekness on 
the decks.  He sucked at Bitchin', whereas he wasnt soo bad at some other 
events I have heard him spin at.
oh yes, let us not forget the rest of the djs.  On that night, mystic 
bill was the worst of all the djs.  This is taking into account his 
music selection, flow, and mixing ablility.  The rest of the djs on that 
night were superior without any shadow of a doubt.  And that was my point!

robitie

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>
>Hopefully the fliers they send out to PP members will be early or on time
>for such future excurions.
>

BTW, how does someone become a member of PP?

Mark Jo

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Greetings all!  This is absolutely the largest and zaniest mass mailing that I
have ever attempted during my stay in Cyberia.  I have never been quite fond of
ultra-mass distributions because they frequently consist of the same stuff that
everyone has seen over and over again.  So...based on those two sentiments I
will deviate from my norms and pass this around.  I hope you havent already
seen it....it smelled pretty fresh to me.  I think I have finally 
found something that justifies most everything which I hold to be true online.


Enjoy and share!  Thanks to Jason Kramer for sending it to me in the first
place.  I hope you ALL have a wonderful summer.  By the way, this author
is of no obvious relation to me but I am definately looking into it-  ;)

                                                Tom Adams
                                                adamstg@muohio.edu
===

     Men Who Use Computers Are The New Sex Symbols Of The `90s
    
      Scott Adams
      Windows Magazine,  May 1995
    
    I get about 100 e-mail messages a day from readers of my comic strip
    "Dilbert."  Most are from disgruntled office workers, psychopaths,
    stalkers, comic-strip fans -- that sort of person.  But a growing
    number are from women who write to say they think Dilbert is sexy.
    Some say they've already married a Dilbert and couldn't be happier.
    
    If you're not familiar with Dilbert, he's an electrical engineer who
    spends most of his time with his computer.  He's a nice guy but not
    exactly Kevin Costner.
    
    Okay, Dilbert is polite, honest, employed and educated.  And he stays
    home.  These are good traits, but they don't exactly explain the
    incredible sex appeal.  So what's the attraction?
    
    I think it's a Darwinian thing.  We're attracted to the people who
    have the best ability to survive and thrive.  In the old days it was
    important to be able to run down an antelope and kill it with a single
    blow to the forehead.
    
    But that skill is becoming less important every year.
    
    Now all that matters is if you can install your own Ethernet card
    without having to call tech support and confess your inadequacies to a
    stranger whose best career option is to work in tech support.
    
    It's obvious that the world has three distinct classes of people, each
    with its own evolutionary destiny:
    
    Knowledgeable computer users who will evolve into godlike
    non-corporeal beings who rule the universe (except for those who work
    in tech support).
    
    Computer owners who try to pass as knowledgeable but secretly use hand
    calculators to add totals to their Excel spreadsheets.  This group
    will gravitate toward jobs as high school principals and operators of
    pet crematoriums.  Eventually they will become extinct.
    
    Non-computer users who will grow tails, sit in zoos and fling dung at
    tourists.
    
    Obviously, if you're a woman and you're trying to decide which
    evolutionary track you want your offspring to take, you don't want to
    put them on the luge ride to the dung-flinging Olympics.  You want a
    real man.  You want a knowledgeable computer user with evolution
    potential.
    
    And women prefer men who listen.  Computer users are excellent
    listeners because they can look at you for long periods of time
    without saying anything.  Granted, early in a relationship it's better
    if the guy actually talks.  But men use up all the stories they'll
    ever have after six months.  If a woman marries a guy who's in, let's
    say, retail sales, she'll get repeat stories starting in the seventh
    month and lasting forever.  Marry an engineer and she gets a great
    listener for the next 70 years.
    
    Plus, with the ozone layer evaporating, it's a good strategy to mate
    with somebody who has an indoor hobby.  Outdoorsy men are applying
    suntan lotion with SPF 10,000 and yet by the age of 30 they still look
    like dried chili peppers in pants.  Compare that with the healthy glow
    of a man who spends 12 hours a day in front of a video screen.
    
    It's also well established that computer users are better lovers.  I
    know because I heard an actual anecdote from someone who knew a woman
    who married a computer user and they reportedly had sex many times.  I
    realize this isn't statistically valid, but you have to admit it's the
    most persuasive thing I've written so far.
    
    If you still doubt the sexiness of male PC users, consider their hair.
    They tend to have either: (1) male pattern baldness -- a sign of
    elevated testosterone -- or (2) unkempt jungle hair -- the kind you
    see only on people who just finished a frenzied bout of lovemaking.
    If this were a trial I think we could reach a verdict on the strong
    circumstantial evidence alone.
    
    I realize there are a lot of skeptics out there.  They'll delight in
    pointing out the number of computer users who wear wrist braces and
    suggest it isn't the repetitive use of the keyboard that causes the
    problem.  That's okay.  Someday those skeptics will be flinging dung
    at tourists.  Then who'll be laughing?  (Answer to rhetorical
    question: everybody but the tourists.)
    
    Henry Kissinger said power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.  And Bill
    Clinton said that knowledge is power.  Therefore, logically, according
    to the U.S.  government, knowledge of computers is the ultimate
    aphrodisiac.  You could argue with me -- I'm just a cartoonist -- but
    it's hard to argue with the government.  Remember, they run the Bureau
    of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, so they must know a thing or two
    about satisfying women.
    
    You might think this was enough to convince anyone that men who use
    computers are sexy.  But look at it from my point of view: I'm getting
    paid by the word for this article.  I'm not done yet.
    
    In less enlightened times, the best way to impress women was to own a
    hot car.  But women wised up and realized it was better to buy their
    own hot cars so they wouldn't have to ride around with jerks.
    
    Technology has replaced hot cars as the new symbol of robust manhood.
    Men know that unless they get a digital line to the Internet no woman
    is going to look at them twice.
    
    It's getting worse.  Soon anyone who's not on the World Wide Web will
    qualify for a government subsidy for the home-pageless.  And nobody
    likes a man who takes money from the government, except maybe Marilyn
    Monroe, which is why the CIA killed her.  And if you think that's
    stupid, I've got 100 words to go.
    
    Finally, there's the issue of mood lighting.  Nothing looks sexier
    than a man in boxer shorts illuminated only by a 15-inch SVGA monitor.
    If we agree that this is every woman's dream scenario, then I think we
    can also agree that it's best if the guy knows how to use the
    computer.  Otherwise, he'll just look like a loser sitting in front of
    a PC in his underwear.
    
    In summary, it's not that I think non-PC users are less attractive.
    It's just that I'm sure they won't read this article.




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talked w/ brian today of UPS about having a net ravers booth @
FAMILY AFFAIR. only prob, nobody wants 2 stay @ a booth the
whole time during a party. this was the prob of the net ravers
booth @ LOVE BOMB. so then i got the idea of having it w/ 
another booth. so i talked w/ steve bevilacqua of flying lemur,
who's actually in charge of vending 4 the party. he will have
his flying lemur stand set up. flying lemur is an underground
book store here in cleveland. he also sells herbal bliss along
w/ underground books & zines @ the stand. i asked him if we 
could use his stand as a net ravers meeting spot. he sed sure.
btw steve b if u haven't met him is also off the pb-cle rave
list. he's a pretty hip kat 2. 

oh one more thing apparently derrick carter seems 2 have 
changed his mind & will be in paris the night of FAMILY AFFAIR.
if u haven't guessed derrick is def not a very reliable dj,
he did the same thing @ LOVE BOMB. he will be replaced by
sir charles, es-one, & john e all from nyc.

oh yeah here's the local lineup:
jinx - cleveland - deep house, old skool hip hop, hard house
sparx - akron - hard acid trance
jason merchant - baltimore - groovey house
dj jordan - fresno, ca (my hometown) - west coast flava
guefy - pitt - funky house
dreamer - cleveland - funky house
gank - cleveland - detroit style acid
pulse - cleveland - chicago tribal house
tik tak - cleveland - jungle
jason tart - st.louis - ?
dj kurt - geneva, oh - ?
yabette - ? - ?
monochrome - columbus - experimental jungle & acid?
drift - columbus - ?
titonton - columbus - jungle

tix $25 advance @ riff raff only. 216.376.1644
    $28 @ the gate.

ooh gotta go 2 work...

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around these parts we usually meet up at the delirium booth.  usually 
around 1.  I am pretty sure J2 will be there (which means i will have to 
work *yuck*) and he has a big ole sign over the booth.  there is usally a 
net person there (me or jj or julia) so feel free to introduce yourself 
and we will point out other net people to you:)  sound good?  now we have 
to pick which night:)

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On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> talked w/ brian today of UPS about having a net ravers booth @
> FAMILY AFFAIR. only prob, nobody wants 2 stay @ a booth the
> whole time during a party. this was the prob of the net ravers
> booth @ LOVE BOMB. so then i got the idea of having it w/ 
> another booth. so i talked w/ steve bevilacqua of flying lemur,
> who's actually in charge of vending 4 the party. he will have
> his flying lemur stand set up. flying lemur is an underground
> book store here in cleveland. he also sells herbal bliss along
> w/ underground books & zines @ the stand. i asked him if we 
> could use his stand as a net ravers meeting spot. he sed sure.
> btw steve b if u haven't met him is also off the pb-cle rave
> list. he's a pretty hip kat 2. 
> 
> oh one more thing apparently derrick carter seems 2 have 
> changed his mind & will be in paris the night of FAMILY AFFAIR.
> if u haven't guessed derrick is def not a very reliable dj,
> he did the same thing @ LOVE BOMB. he will be replaced by
> sir charles, es-one, & john e all from nyc.
> 
> oh yeah here's the local lineup:
> jinx - cleveland - deep house, old skool hip hop, hard house
> sparx - akron - hard acid trance
> jason merchant - baltimore - groovey house
> dj jordan - fresno, ca (my hometown) - west coast flava
> guefy - pitt - funky house
> dreamer - cleveland - funky house
> gank - cleveland - detroit style acid
> pulse - cleveland - chicago tribal house
> tik tak - cleveland - jungle
> jason tart - st.louis - ?
> dj kurt - geneva, oh - ?
> yabette - ? - ?
> monochrome - columbus - experimental jungle & acid?
> drift - columbus - ?
> titonton - columbus - jungle
> 
> tix $25 advance @ riff raff only. 216.376.1644
>     $28 @ the gate.
> 
> ooh gotta go 2 work...
> 
> --
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> stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
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> 216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________
> 

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on 6/13 ellen sed:
==================================================================
around these parts we usually meet up at the delirium booth.  usually 
around 1.  I am pretty sure J2 will be there (which means i will have to 
work *yuck*) and he has a big ole sign over the booth.  there is usally a 
net person there (me or jj or julia) so feel free to introduce yourself 
and we will point out other net people to you:)  sound good?  now we have 
to pick which night:)
================================================================== 

tee hee, last i checked we aren't in kansas anymore dorothy :)

sure if mr. haws is setting up a booth @ the party. but when i
talked w/ steve, he didn't mention it. but anything w/ j2 involved,
i'm more than cool w/. i've been meaning 2 talk more w/ him since
ONE. lotsa IO2 & celestine stuff 2 talk about.

howz about both nights @ 1am & again @ 2am @ the delirium booth
if jj's doing it or @ the flying lemur booth if he's not.
howz dat? i know there r alot of ne-ravers comin 2. what do u 
guys think?

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From: syt@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Y. Tsang)
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on 6/13 russ sed:
=================================================================
oh yeah, have you heard anything about that free deep party?  i havent seen
a flyer for it yet.
=================================================================

this saturday starting @ noon. deep records of cleveland will have
it's 1st anniversary party. it will be free & it will be outdoors.

FREEE dj's:

sleepy c
dan curtin
tots
traxx
bagga donuts
dreamer
gank
pulse
peter anderson
sista spinsta
release 
+ more TBA

info: 216.382.3101

also that same night (6/17) jimmie allen & the world rave confederation
presents..

              e

          akron, oh

dj's:

chris haul
jason patrick
leviathan
guefy
dj sammy
sparx
yabette
product 25

info: 216.649.0313

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   Hi there people!! I need your help really really bad!! Who sings the 
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In a technologically-induced stupor, Steven Y. Tsang flatly stated...
::
::tix $25 advance @ riff raff only. 216.376.1644
::    $28 @ the gate.

Good lord.  I guess tons of dj's = tons of money.   [sigh]



- stevenJ

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Steve J White <aragorn@csd.uwm.edu> said:


>Maybe what I'm talking about isn't what parties are about anymore.  Any
>comments?


        Well, It would be nice.  But, in my expereince lately, it's been
more of a jock attitude.  Who can spin the fastest, hardest, whatever.
Some of the dj's seem to be in their own little world of dj coolness trying
to impress other cool dj's and not really giving a shit about the crowd.
This needs to stop.




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
                                 web collective/beatPHREAKsociety



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This technologically-induced statement......28 bucks at the door.... better have been induced by a sound and lighting extravaganza comparable to a Pink Floyd concert, anything less and i'd be lookin for a refund.  Oh yeah, the DJ's better be damn good.

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I'm seeing underground and reading it as elitist. What the fuck is up 
with this membership card thing? Whats so underground about printing 
20,000 flyers for your tour? And then saying its a "limited attendance 
event"? Of course all that went out the window when the promoters saw the 
line of people, all ready to drop $15.. Look, I like most of Richie's 
music, I think plus8 is a cool label, but SO ARE A HUNDRED OTHER LABELS. 
I have no problem with the FUK tour, the two shows i made were pretty 
cool, if a little sloppy. i just don't get this plastikult shit.  those 
cheerleaders at Spastik... If it's really about the music then why is 
there so much bullshit attached?
 I knew about this party just like I knew about the Lodge party last 
year, and guess what i wasn't at either. see, i don't want to go to a 
party where most of my friends aren't welcome cause they aren't "down" 
enough. This shit is really getting out of hand. I've seen flyers 
recently for $25 parties using Ticketmaster and all that crap reading 
"dedicated to keep it underground." Who the fuck do they think they're 
kidding?
 So much ego... So many people wanting a reason to feel better than 
everyone else. I just don't understand all this.
 Andrew let me clarify that most of this isn't directed at you at all, as 
far as I know yer a pretty right-on guy, I just have to question a lot of 
this plus8 silliness. 

Music.
Not Fan Clubs,
Music.
Not t-shirts,
Music.
Not flyers,
Music.


Ok rant over...
ted


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Uhm...how are those of us coming in from out of town supposed to get presale
tix if they're only selling at riff raff..wherever that is.  I know it's
only $3 more but at this point right now every dollar counts for me.

Lucy


   


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C. Jason Clark
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think they need to change the name of this party to "A Money Affair", as I
know most of the "family" here in Louisville won't be able to afford to go. Is
it really worth it to get a line up this cool if you have to charge so much?


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Sounds like everyone has their own definition of "underground".
The FUK tour was not underground.  Maybe they attempted a look
anf feel of underground for atmosphere, but it wasn't underground.
Many other parties by Richie have been underground.  No one has
been excluded, but not everyone has to be informed.

Plus8 is not underground, but it is supported by many people that
have underground sensibilities.  I can see your confusion between
the two.



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ok look y'all...i dont want to hear ANY more bitching about the price.

i admit it is a BIG chink of change and that i myself will probably not 
have to pay because i am advertising their event on my flier for jun 30th.

but i probably should, and probably will make a donation because of 
the following...

let's do some basic math (mostly guesswork but reasonable estimates):

-the space is a big outdoor camp area like interstellar outback...and 
 probably costs at _least_ $10,000 for the two days.  

-there will probably be at least 3 sound systems (this is very 
 conservative) which probably cost in the neighborhood of $2000 each.

-lighting is anybody's guess, say $3000.

-fliers: another $3000.  there are a LOT of them out there.

-security: can get REAL expensive, REAL quick.  let's guess $3000.

-the real killer, tho, is the dj lineup.  let me go dig up my flier...

 -afrika bambaata: $1000 plus plane/etc = $1300
 -scott henry: $500 plus plane/etc = $800
 -dubtribe: $1000 at least
 -hardkiss: $1000 plus plane/etc = $1500
 -juan atkins = $600 at least
 -astroboy = $500 plus plane/etc

  so far this totals $5700 and this is only a small sampling of the bigger 
  names.  let's say the total for dj's is $10,000 (very conservative).

so the price for this party is about $35,000 so far, guessing CONSERVATIVELY!

so your ticket literally is paying less than one percent of that total.  
that means they need at least 1,300-1,400 people to show up to cover cost.

i think it is fair.  remember there are a lot of hidden costs, too...such 
as all the other stuff the ups cru will probably have to rent, not to 
mention the fact that most profits will be divided among several people: 
investors, etc...so it's not like any one person is going to make a killing.

and remember, in all honesty my estimate is probably almost double what i 
think it is because it is a TWO day event...meaning sound & lights, etc are 
probably double.  not to mention the risk is all being taken by the 
investors, NOT you guys.  if for whatever reason only 1000 ppl show up 
they are in the hole.  if 2000 show up then great, they break even or make a 
few thousand to split probably between a couple hundred people!!

well, just thought i would go through this methodically so you can all 
see why it is costing so much.  

if anyone (steviet?) can correct me on the details please do so.

this is the reality of the rave scene kids.  if it is all too much for 
ya then do your own (i mean that seriously).  or if you arent in favor of 
something this big and crazy then dont go!  simple as that.  as for me i 
like the occasional RAAAAVE (as opposed to "music event"), and this is 
the one for me.

i must admit, however, that i like jj's way of operationg a bit better.  
interstellar outback 2 is being sponsored by someone and will essentially be 
written off as a tax expense from what i understand...and will cost next 
to nothing.

altho i think you ravers are cheap as hell (me included).

one last point:  our event on jun 30th (the day before FA, in columbus) 
is only going to cost $7.  you cant beat that to see paul johnson and dan 
bell in the same room together (they have never met!!).  not to mention 6 
live techno acts...more than at FA and fantasitc voyage combined.  

[call 614.470.0929 to get the scoop]

so stop bitchin an come experience ohio, ya'll

*tooting horn*
++
e d

e l e  h o n k e y


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In a technologically-induced stupor, CJCLAR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU flatly stated...
::
::it really worth it to get a line up this cool if you have to charge so much?

In a word, no.



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On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:

> on 6/13 ellen sed:
> ==================================================================
> around these parts we usually meet up at the delirium booth.  usually 
> around 1.  I am pretty sure J2 will be there (which means i will have to 
> work *yuck*) and he has a big ole sign over the booth.  there is usally a 
> net person there (me or jj or julia) so feel free to introduce yourself 
> and we will point out other net people to you:)  sound good?  now we have 
> to pick which night:)
> ================================================================== 
> 
> tee hee, last i checked we aren't in kansas anymore dorothy :)
> 
> sure if mr. haws is setting up a booth @ the party. but when i
> talked w/ steve, he didn't mention it. but anything w/ j2 involved,
> i'm more than cool w/. i've been meaning 2 talk more w/ him since
> ONE. lotsa IO2 & celestine stuff 2 talk about.

i am almost sure that he will be there... if not julia and i will be... 
booth and all.
> 
> howz about both nights @ 1am & again @ 2am @ the delirium booth
> if jj's doing it or @ the flying lemur booth if he's not.
> howz dat? i know there r alot of ne-ravers comin 2. what do u 
> guys think?

fine.
> 
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In a technologically-induced stupor, eluna flatly stated...
[...]
::-the space is a big outdoor camp area like interstellar outback...and 
:: probably costs at _least_ $10,000 for the two days.  

IO was free and IO2 will also be free (see below).

::-there will probably be at least 3 sound systems (this is very 
:: conservative) which probably cost in the neighborhood of $2000 each.

Why?  Who needs three sound systems when it isn't humanly possible to
actually get to hear/see all those performing over the weekend?

::-fliers: another $3000.  there are a LOT of them out there.

Right.  Big parties = tons of flyers = you need to get a lot of people to
pay for it all = too much money.  Why is this so hard to understand?

::-the real killer, tho, is the dj lineup.  let me go dig up my flier...
[list deleted]

I have kept everything I posted about the cons of big parties, in case
anyone is interested in seeing it again (I know you probably aren't).  It's
also archived at hyperreal.com's ftp site.

::this is the reality of the rave scene kids.  if it is all too much for 
::ya then do your own (i mean that seriously).  or if you arent in favor of 
::something this big and crazy then dont go!  simple as that.  as for me i 
::like the occasional RAAAAVE (as opposed to "music event"), and this is 
::the one for me.

Well, it's someone's reality, not mine.

::interstellar outback 2 is being sponsored by someone and will essentially be 
::written off as a tax expense from what i understand...and will cost next 
::to nothing.

>From what I understand JJ pays for his party(s) through his year long
t-shirt sales.  Great idea, eh?  Buy his shirts and fund his parties.  What
a concept.

::altho i think you ravers are cheap as hell (me included).

No, I like to get what I pay for and simply be happy with spending said
money.  $28 for even a whole weekend of partying isn't that.  Yeah, I know.
I went to Even Furthur.  I don't know if I'd do it again, though.  It's all
about who you support and don't.

::one last point:  our event on jun 30th (the day before FA, in columbus) 
::is only going to cost $7.  you cant beat that to see paul johnson and dan 
::bell in the same room together (they have never met!!).  not to mention 6 
::live techno acts...more than at FA and fantasitc voyage combined.  

Well, there ya have it!  A great line-up and low price.  Ironic.

- stevenJ


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On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Steve J White wrote:

> In a technologically-induced stupor, Steven Y. Tsang flatly stated...
> ::
> ::tix $25 advance @ riff raff only. 216.376.1644
> ::    $28 @ the gate.
> 
> Good lord.  I guess tons of dj's = tons of money.   [sigh]
> 
yeah... no kidding.  like i will conveniently be at riff raff to buy an 
advanced ticket.  sheesh... its even more than EF.

> 
> 
> - stevenJ
> 

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hey there kids, 
this is jim
the guy thas

hat is doing Meltdown on the 24th of june
i want to clarify a few things
First and foremost, Meltdown is in a 100% legal venue that



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On Wed Jun 14, toke@cyberspace.org (Lee Harvey Bobbitt) 
raised some interesting rants:
 
>I'm seeing underground and reading it as elitist. What the fuck is up 
>with this membership card thing? 
 
It's called relationship marketing.  And it's *not* an evil thing.  
Pretty easy to understand.  Charge somebody $10 for their name and 
address.  Now you can make sure (if you're doing it right ;)  
that they never miss a flyer to each one of your events.  
They get a catalog of T-shirts and rekkids/CDs, some of them hard 
to find.  You give them at least $10 back in value by letting them 
in free to an event or two.  You develop a relationship where your
"best customers" stay tuned and feel good about the organization. 
Nearly any industry will tell you that 80% of your profit comes from 
a core 20% of your customer base.  This is even more relevant to the
"scene" where the exact same faces are seen shelling out admission every
Saturday night.
 
>If its really about the music why is there so much bullshit attached?
 
I will acknowledge that there seem to be more Richie "groupies" 
than you find with other dj/promoter/producers, and there is a 
"pharmaceutical" mystique that surrounds some devotees.  I don't 
personally find appeal in either of these facets.  But I'm not 
particularly disturbed by them either.  
 
If it were really about the music *only*, then we'd be back to holding
free all night jam sessions with only our close friends in our basements.  
Some good parties come real close to this.
 
>I knew about this party [Richie's B'Day] just like I knew about the 
>Lodge party last year, and guess what i wasn't at either. 
 
Your loss.  You missed a fun birthday party with great music to dance to.
Nothing more, nothing less.
 
>See, i don't want to go to a party where most of my friends aren't welcome 
>cause they aren't "down" enough.  This shit is really getting out of hand. 
>I've seen flyers recently for $25 parties using Ticketmaster and all that 
>crap reading "dedicated to keep it underground." Who the fuck do they 
>think they're kidding?
 
Are we still talking about Plus8 at this point?  I've taken complete
newbies, with decidedly un-phat pants to Plastik Parties (JAK2), and they 
had a great time.  No "bad vibes", no projected 'tude, no pressure to
conform to any "plastik aesthetic."  However, I'm completely with you
on the $25 price point.  If I shell out $25 bones for a party I want
Barbara Streisand, Pink Floyd, AND the Eagles to be there, dammit! 
Just imagine... :)
 
>So much ego... So many people wanting a reason to feel better than 
>everyone else. I just don't understand all this.
 
Sorry to beat a dead sociological horse, but elitism is a team sport.  
It takes a group of "inferiors" to help activate a group of "superiors".  
And after all, we're talking about human nature here (especially among 
those young enough to be struggling with a sense of identity).
It's a pretty easy thing to blow off, imho.
 
Sorry if you have ever felt dissed via PlastikProdukt or any 
other partygoers.  I'm just giving up the flipside.
 
(p.s. not associated with PlastikProducts or Plus8 in any way) 

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Help!!!

I need a ride to and from the party in Lexington
On the 15th which is tomorrow =/
I can help pay gas etc..... Please if you are
going thru or going from the Cininnati area please
please help me out =]

email me please =]

jenni


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We got to chi to late for the net.meet in Cricket Park. Tough shit for us.
We ate some french fry's at the McD's downtown cause it was cheaper than 
parking lots. On the way to the show found a bunch of really good 
graffiti which we took photos of. That guy RAVEN is bad-ass. It'll all be 
in our zine. On to the show.
They were really being pissy about ID's, mine was from out of state so 
they made a big deal over it.. Well, i got in anyhow. No worries.
Not sure who was spinning before the Orb came on cause I was wandering 
around, but i did notice that the club didn't use the bass cabinets until 
the Orb came on, a common concert trick that makes the headliner sound 
much better than everyone else. They also left the house lights on until 
the Orb played which was sort of annoying. The other lights were pretty 
cool but i think emulators would have been neaater, and I was surprised 
that there wasn't any video projections. but i didn't go to see a light 
show, and the music...Wow, I think they played for about 2 hours. Played 
pretty much everything off of Terrarvm as well as really nice versions of 
"Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain <loving u>" and "Towers of Dub". 
Especiallly "Towers of Dub", the ending was pretty damn orgasmic. The 
crowd was kinda suckyy, most people just stood there and watched, very 
few were dancing. I was the guy with the shaved head and blue shirt 
bouncing around like a nut towards the left-hand side when facing the 
stage. I was right up front the whole time, if you were standing still 
sorry if I landed on yer toes. Naw, not really...
Apparently Alex Patterson was pissed about having to spin with Adam X 
and  Frankie bones in NYC so he fucked up the DJ lineup. This would 
explain why Derrick Carter seemed so pissed and sounded like he was 
trying to blow the sound system. Dave Hollands didn't get to spin as far 
as I know.
 There were two after-parties, one with Mystic Bill and Traxx and some 
others, the other with Hyperactive <at an Orb after-party? Weird!> and 
Traxx. i have no idea what was up with these as we left town and headed 
towards Ft. Wayne and their lovely LEGAL graaf wall. More flix and a nice 
burner later we were on our way to Beat Non-Stop. 
Downtown indy was crazy! Too many cruisers, we had a hell of a time, 
stuck in traffic for like 45 minutes. missed Sho's set, dammit dammit 
dammit. Th site was a mall, basically. A closed one, though, we 
were in 
a restaurant type plaace in the food court, it was really strange, but 
about the right size space and it wasn't busted so... John Acquaviva was 
pretty bad-ass, especially the slow stuff he spun, a bunch of fucked up 
slobreaks.  derrick was pretty good, but David really tore shit up. Once 
again we missed all the netravers. Ah well.


ted


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Here's what that stevenJ fellow typed:
> In a technologically-induced stupor, Steven Y. Tsang flatly stated...
> ::
> ::tix $25 advance @ riff raff only. 216.376.1644
> ::    $28 @ the gate.
> 
> Good lord.  I guess tons of dj's = tons of money.   [sigh]

That is kinda wierd though: It isn't as long as Even Furthur was but yet it
is more expensive.  |I Hmmmmmm..... 

mint


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on 7/14 steven j sed:
==================================================================
In a technologically-induced stupor, Steven Y. Tsang flatly stated...
::
::tix $25 advance @ riff raff only. 216.376.1644
::    $28 @ the gate.

Good lord.  I guess tons of dj's = tons of money.   [sigh]



- stevenJ
==================================================================

4 the amount of dj's yur getting plus considering it's a 2 day
event w/ multiple live acts. IMHO it's a bargain. it's cheaper
than lollapalooza & rave the bay 2.

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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
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on 6/14 lucia sed:
=================================================================
Uhm...how are those of us coming in from out of town supposed to get presale
tix if they're only selling at riff raff..wherever that is.  I know it's
only $3 more but at this point right now every dollar counts for me.

Lucy
=================================================================

i'll c if i can get directions 2 the store & 2 the party & i'll
post them on the net. or u can call riff raff @ 216.376.1644.

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on 6/14 steven j sed:
====================================================================
In a technologically-induced stupor, CJCLAR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU flatly 
stated...
::
::it really worth it to get a line up this cool if you have to charge so much?

In a word, no.



trying to fly under society's radar                        steven j. white
                                                aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
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=====================================================================

yeah i think u should stay @ home.

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                      [Tribal Brothers & Uni-Con Present]

                         20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

                                  -Madison-
                                June 17, 1995


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on 6/12 jason sed:
==================================================================
i think dan curtin (ohio) is one of *the* greatest electronic dance musicians
on the planet (in the same category as kraftwerk, drexciya, webern, 
stockhausen, ...um, im getting carried away)  I'm now listening to his 
double pack "the silicon dawn on peacefrog, and i frankly think it just 
about blows juan's new double,
                                                                          
"deep space" *out of the water*.  dans shit is constanly changing into 
new muscal directions...one dan curtin track equals approximately 5 or 
six tracks from just about anybody else; thats how dense with innovation
dans tracks are. (if you've heard the constant change of his music 
you'll understand what the hell i'm saying with this equation).
if anybody wants to sell trade some dan curtin shit w/ me, im up for it.
also, if any of you ohio cats know what equipment he uses i'd be muy
interested. 

if any of youz havent bought any dan curtin shit, do so NOW! 

this has been an uncharateristically enthusiastic post from:
jason

===================================================================

went 2 deep 2 show dan yur kind werds. he wasn't there but his
partner sleepy c wuz & wanted 2 say this:

  i'm stephen (sleepy c) cinch - dan's partner for a year in
deep records, etc. dan has now left deep records to front
deep distribution. but anyways to a point i agree that dan
is talented, but not to the extent you describe! dan uses
only a 909 - 808 - 707 - 727 - 202 - 303 - 101 sh09 & an old
ms-10 sampler. so what he does with that stuff is cool, but
jis beats are almost domintaing, his chords are almost always
sampled detroit sounding chords, etc. so he does do neat
tracks, but innovative - not really. also dan is the crazyest
person on the face of the earth! he has excellent offers
from labels, and he usually doesn't dp them because, he 
never finishes them! no to kill your buzz, but i've known
dan for 4-5 years & he has a formula for his tracks just
like anyone else. so maybe listen to the tracks again, you'll
hear alot of other people (carl craig, kenny larkin, derrick
may, etc.) in dan's tracks!

                            - peace,
                              sleepy c

oh yeah sleepy also sed the only reason wonderland wuz held
@ the aragon wuz cuz he lost three spaces b4 that. 

one more thing, steve also sed there's going 2 b open an
open dj booth @ the free anniversary party. but dj's must
notify him in advance b4 the party @ 216.382.3101 4 deep.

BTW if u get free stuff from Dan, u'll know where it came
from...see how this werks peeps, u say good stuff, u get
good stuff..what comes around goes around..positivity..
it pays off..if u catch my drift..

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 14 17:49:28 1995
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Nicko asks:

>   Hi there people!! I need your help really really bad!! Who sings the 
>song "Tonight is the night"?? It's on B-96 every so often and I really 
>like it so I wanna know where can I find it! Help!

Ummm...  ** dragging skeletons out of the closet **

Rod Stewart.  Late 70's or early 80's.  It's on disc 3 of his 4cd box set,
and maybe other 'greatist hits' collections.  Not sure if he wrote it,
as it's possible it's someone else's tune, or if someone has covered it
since then.


OnNow: Orbital's brown cd.  yum.


Andrew

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  !!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!!
       !!! Please watch where you send replies !!!


From: "Jay R. Wells" <wells@physics.purdue.edu>
Subject: for mwraves folx
To: abennett@iglou.com
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 21:44:29 EST

hey folxters!

this is jay wells atcha.   through some freak good luck, i'll be in chicago
this weekend!  and i need some help from the mw crew!

i'm journeying from pittsburgh with 3 friends, and i need to know what's
going on in chi-town on saturday night and if possible, sunday night.
this includes raves but especially HOUSE PARTIES!

if anyone has crash space for 4 friendly ravers, that would be much appreciated
too.  :)  

if you could get back to me at wells@physics.purdue.edu, i'd appreciate it 
very much.  i'll be checking my mail before i leave pittsburgh.  also, if you
can offer crash space, please leave a phone number i can reach you at.
most importantly, PLEASE DON'T reply to andrew's account.  it's a nice favor
he is doing for me and i wouldn't want him to get mad at tons of mail in his
box that is meant for me :)

Thanks for the help, you guys, and see you saturday night!

jay
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i UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH ALOT OF WHAT YOUR saying
but you also have to understand that Rich has always been just one of the
kids at a party...he wasnt just some dj that would play and leave..he hung
out and made ALOT of friends that way who supported him and helped  him get
as "big" as he is today and we his friends helped him have these masses of
kids following him around and using his membership cards and wearing his
t-shirts and buying his music..promoting his parties..etc.......its not that
its an "ELITE" thang its an INTIMATE thang.
just my 2 sense


later,
nm

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Hey Mr. Moon,


whats up with giving away dj prices??? Thats not cool homey....not all djs
charge the same for every party at least not in my day ......laterbaby...hey
where is my ele mental....tell charles to write me...tell fruitcake sines I
said hello!!!


take care...
nm

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sure, i think maybe a badge is a good idea, or maybe like a sticker or 
something. i know that since i am fairly new to the net, i have a hard time 
meeting or identifying netters aside from myself, ted or jj. and it had better 
be a cool badge/i.d./whatever, i could do something with a graf flavor, so 
could MOST (jj's roommate and designer of delerium t-shirts). or not. or 
whatever you guys want. anyway, i think it sounds like a good idea. maybe even 
t-shirts or something. hmmmmmm.......
tim (optik)...
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hey kids,
well me and ted made it to chicago in time for the orb show, but we missed the 
net.meet once again, how come i can never seem to make these things? 
suggestions, anyone? but that was overshadowed by the fact that the Orb simply 
blew me away. Towers of Dub was incredible, sperlative, orgasmic, insert any 
adjective you find appropriate. Plus they played for over two hours. 
Interestingly enough, Dr. Alex was on the tables before they came on and 
couldnt really seem to get his shit together and pull off a good 
mix....hmm......also let me say chicago is definitely on fucked-up town, we 
parked at th McDonalds and ate fries and burgers (so i'm not a veggie, piss 
off) because it was cheaper than parking in a lot. wierd. also, we saw some 
graf writers, but didn't talk to them, much to my dismay.
        After chicago we went to Ft. Wayne, IA to get up on the legal wall 
there, and talked to Justin the owner of Funk Emporium across the street. This 
guy is cool, if you go to Ft. Wayne for Indiana Jones and the Temple of Boom 
party, you gotta stop and talk to Justin first. Also, check the wall and see 
if my piece (ZERO with this nifty bomb character) is still up. The 
aforementioned party looks pretty good, if i can dig up a flyer, then i will 
post the info.
        On to Indy for Beat Non Stop. I got to give props to Dave Hollands and 
others, this was a pretty good party. So it was held in a mall of sorts, there 
was free water via fountains and clean restrooms. More than i can say for some 
detroit spaces. there were two problems i had, one was the amount of cruisers 
in downtown Indy, there was like three hundred cars cruising around that big 
statue, full of frat and snatch types, it sucked a lot but at times was rather 
entertaining, watching all these people frontin'. The other prob i had was 
that the main dance floor at the space was like about as big as my kitchen. 
Pretty small, not too much room to really throw down. On to the dj's:  John 
Acquaviva was once again simply awesome, he threw down some slow hip-hoppy 
type slow breaks at one point that were great. I have never seen this guy  
have an off nite. David Hollands came on and wrecked shit once again, not much 
needs to be said about him, i guess, just that i hope that while he is in NYC 
he will still come back to the midwest often. These were the only two dj's i 
really felt qualified to talk about, since i didnt hear much of anyone else, 
as it was like way too hot to stay on the floor for long periods of 
time.....sorry. :)
        Then we came home.....:( but with a good weekend behind us a four 
rolls of flics of awesome graf...:) look for our midwest graf zine due out 
soon, if you are interested in getting it or providing us with some flics then 
e-mail me please! 
        well, thats it for now, see ya later....
Tim (optik)

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    III don't think so!! The song I'm talking about is on B96 every 
morning but those two punks (TJ and Wild "My-Ass" Bill) will never say 
the songs they play. It's a fast track and the lyrics go: "Tonight is the 
night, is the night for love, forever and ever is never enough". Then the 
guy sings with a Jamaican accent. This is harder than I thought. Any ideas???

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On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Tim Henderson wrote:

> t-shirts or something. hmmmmmm.......
> tim (optik)...

Hehehe long live Kinko's!! =) Anybody works there so we can get the best 
deal of the house?? 

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On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Tim Henderson wrote:

> hey kids,
> mix....hmm......also let me say chicago is definitely on fucked-up town, we 
> parked at th McDonalds and ate fries and burgers (so i'm not a veggie, piss 

Well, thanks for coming out.

Stu



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>>i think dan curtin (ohio) is one of *the* greatest electronic dance
>>musicians
>went 2 deep 2 show dan yur kind werds. he wasn't there but his
>partner sleepy c wuz & wanted 2 say this:
>  i'm stephen (sleepy c) cinch - dan's partner for a year in
>  deep records, etc. dan has now left deep records to front
>  deep distribution. but anyways to a point i agree that dan
>  is talented, but not to the extent you describe! dan uses
>  only a 909 - 808 - 707 - 727 - 202 - 303 - 101 sh09 & an old
>  ms-10 sampler. so what he does with that stuff is cool, but
>  jis beats are almost domintaing, his chords are almost always
>  sampled detroit sounding chords, etc. so he does do neat
>  tracks, but innovative - not really. also dan is the crazyest
>  person on the face of the earth! he has excellent offers
>  from labels, and he usually doesn't dp them because, he 
>  never finishes them! no to kill your buzz, but i've known
>  dan for 4-5 years & he has a formula for his tracks just
>  like anyone else. so maybe listen to the tracks again, you'll
>  hear alot of other people (carl craig, kenny larkin, derrick
>  may, etc.) in dan's tracks!
>                            - peace,
>                              sleepy c

geez, did Dan leave deep records to front deep distribution or did he leave
deep records cauz he was tired of working with big mouths?
I think the answer is clear, IMHO...

bambi - chicago
nib@dlogics.com

yeah yeah, was not my business, but hey it ended up in my mailbox somehow.


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From: Ian MacLachlan <ianmac@mmg2.im.med.umich.edu>
To: "Steven Y. Tsang" <syt@po.CWRU.Edu>
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On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Steven Y. Tsang wrote:
> went 2 deep 2 show dan yur kind werds. he wasn't there but his
> partner sleepy c wuz & wanted 2 say this:
> 
>   i'm stephen (sleepy c) cinch - dan's partner for a year in
> deep records, etc. dan has now left deep records to front
> deep distribution. but anyways to a point i agree that dan
> is talented, but not to the extent you describe! dan uses
> only a 909 - 808 - 707 - 727 - 202 - 303 - 101 sh09 & an old
> ms-10 sampler. so what he does with that stuff is cool, but
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If Dan can get his ol'MS-10 to sample he must be a magician indeed...

ianmac


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In a technologically-induced stupor, Steven Y. Tsang flatly stated...
::
::yeah i think u should stay @ home.

Nah, I'll simply go to a party that doesn't cost $28.  No, the dj line-up
wont be HUGE but there'll still be good music and everything.



trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
					     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 15 08:14:09 1995
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As stated before, we're working on the mw-raves web site.
If you'd like to have your homepage included, please send it
to us.  Just email me back with the URL.  Thanks.

-Sho
--
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perhaps relevant to the recent police discussion...
forwarded from the vrave list.

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	Next on COPS...COPS in Moscow, Idaho.

Three valiant officers stop an overweight lad from making an attempt at 

exercise in the early morning hours.   On FOX at 8...

	Yes, this JUST happened.  8-)  I was taking a late night walk to 
settle some pizza, do some thinking, and perhaps burn three or four of 
the excess calories I seem to have picked up.  <damn water, it's soooo 
fattening>.  So, there I am, strolling about, and I notice how foggy 
the 
night is.  Not a great night to head up on the U of Idaho loop, as 
there 
are some rather icky, and spooky places in the fog.  Fog's not a good 
time to be near them, so I decided I'd stop in the soccer field and 
decide where to go next.

	Lo and behold, a van goes cruising into the parking lot I just 
crossed to get into the field.  I'm listening to DJ Dan -- Disco 
Damnation, so I'm happy, bored, and want to see what they're doing.  
They 
flick their lights...ah shit, it's the cops.  And then, they SLOWLY 
cruise, looking at the house with their strobe light.  (Neat trick, 
they 
turn on the top flashers just enough to bring them parallel to the 
vehicle, gotta remember that).  They back up and start cruising and 
then 
the light crosses me in the field.  Being the brave woodsman that I am, 
I 
just stand there, sort of chuckling to myself, perfectly still.  8-)
	However, the cops smelled boredom, and decided that the large 
object wearing a grey shirt and carrying a 6' staff was probably not a 
natural feature of the flat field.  They cruise around, ever so slyly 
to 
another parking lot nearby.  8-)  I'm amused, but not really suprised 
by 
this.  Then, they shut down the Van, and get out.  Ooooo...looks like 
I've been spotted. 

	Instinct takes over, and I hunker down, holding onto my staff for 
support.  That way, I look even MORE suspicious, and can wait longer.  
Eventually their maglights come cruising into the darkness and blind 
the 
shit out of me.  Irritating, but necessary, as they can't see so well 
in 
the dark.  I can see them fine, and the giant lights they're carrying 
are 
pretty helpful to keep tabs.  They alternate who has their light on, 
but 
it's not that tricky for me to follow their progress.  So, I wait, 
until 
they're much nearer, and then call out, in my deepest, most sepulchral 
voice:  "Yeeeesssss....."   I'm a smart-ass through and through.

	"Please stand up and keep your hands in full view at all times."
Yeah yeah yeah, I know the routine.  I stand up and make a little limp 
scarecrow, so they won't get spooked, and wait.  Eventually, I have to 
drop my staff on the ground and wait some more.  Three officers have 
found me this lovely evening, and boy are they ever amused when I tell 
them my reason for being out here:  "I was taking a walk, and decided 
to 
stop and watch the fog."   8-)  Three times, just in case I might be 
lying, or stoned, they ask me for my birthdate.  But I'm totally clean, 

and the decision to leave my string of firecrackers back in my room has 

made me quite cheerful.  In fact, all I have on me is:  Keys, 
Mini-Maglite, Walkman, Lighter, and my staff.  8-)  I have to dump my 
pockets and show them my ID, which I almost didn't bring.  Heheheheh, 
it 
gets sillier, when they try and run a search for me through DMV.  I 
don't 
exist on the Washington state Driver's License.  8-)  Shit...I'll have 
to 
get that taken care of.

	Anyway, I'm finally allowed to pick up my stick, and I was very 
helpful, and referred to them as Sir, instead of:  Fuck off you 
harrasing 
pigs!  I'm an American Citizen and I got rights you know!  <whap thwap 
bonk BANG BANG BANG> "musta been resisting arrest, we had to pump him 
full of shells".

	Heheheh, so my nights walk was curtailed rather short.  And I got 
to have a run-in with the Moscow Police Department.  WHEEEE!  Tomorrow, 
I 
think I'll just take it easy and RUN.  8-)

	This evening has been brought to you by:  Groovy Dave's 
Adventures in Podunkville.  Please be sure and look both ways before 
crossing the street, and always wave at the Friendly Officers (tm).  It 

doesn't hurt you any, and gives the impression that you are a Good 
Citizen (tm).  8-)

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		   Groovy "Nuclear Powered" Dave
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		--Robert Beers
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	Next on COPS...COPS in Moscow, Idaho.

Three valiant officers stop an overweight lad from making an attempt at 

exercise in the early morning hours.   On FOX at 8...

	Yes, this JUST happened.  8-)  I was taking a late night walk to 
settle some pizza, do some thinking, and perhaps burn three or four of 
the excess calories I seem to have picked up.  <damn water, it's soooo 
fattening>.  So, there I am, strolling about, and I notice how foggy 
the 
night is.  Not a great night to head up on the U of Idaho loop, as 
there 
are some rather icky, and spooky places in the fog.  Fog's not a good 
time to be near them, so I decided I'd stop in the soccer field and 
decide where to go next.

	Lo and behold, a van goes cruising into the parking lot I just 
crossed to get into the field.  I'm listening to DJ Dan -- Disco 
Damnation, so I'm happy, bored, and want to see what they're doing.  
They 
flick their lights...ah shit, it's the cops.  And then, they SLOWLY 
cruise, looking at the house with their strobe light.  (Neat trick, 
they 
turn on the top flashers just enough to bring them parallel to the 
vehicle, gotta remember that).  They back up and start cruising and 
then 
the light crosses me in the field.  Being the brave woodsman that I am, 
I 
just stand there, sort of chuckling to myself, perfectly still.  8-)
	However, the cops smelled boredom, and decided that the large 
object wearing a grey shirt and carrying a 6' staff was probably not a 
natural feature of the flat field.  They cruise around, ever so slyly 
to 
another parking lot nearby.  8-)  I'm amused, but not really suprised 
by 
this.  Then, they shut down the Van, and get out.  Ooooo...looks like 
I've been spotted. 

	Instinct takes over, and I hunker down, holding onto my staff for 
support.  That way, I look even MORE suspicious, and can wait longer.  
Eventually their maglights come cruising into the darkness and blind 
the 
shit out of me.  Irritating, but necessary, as they can't see so well 
in 
the dark.  I can see them fine, and the giant lights they're carrying 
are 
pretty helpful to keep tabs.  They alternate who has their light on, 
but 
it's not that tricky for me to follow their progress.  So, I wait, 
until 
they're much nearer, and then call out, in my deepest, most sepulchral 
voice:  "Yeeeesssss....."   I'm a smart-ass through and through.

	"Please stand up and keep your hands in full view at all times."
Yeah yeah yeah, I know the routine.  I stand up and make a little limp 
scarecrow, so they won't get spooked, and wait.  Eventually, I have to 
drop my staff on the ground and wait some more.  Three officers have 
found me this lovely evening, and boy are they ever amused when I tell 
them my reason for being out here:  "I was taking a walk, and decided 
to 
stop and watch the fog."   8-)  Three times, just in case I might be 
lying, or stoned, they ask me for my birthdate.  But I'm totally clean, 

and the decision to leave my string of firecrackers back in my room has 

made me quite cheerful.  In fact, all I have on me is:  Keys, 
Mini-Maglite, Walkman, Lighter, and my staff.  8-)  I have to dump my 
pockets and show them my ID, which I almost didn't bring.  Heheheheh, 
it 
gets sillier, when they try and run a search for me through DMV.  I 
don't 
exist on the Washington state Driver's License.  8-)  Shit...I'll have 
to 
get that taken care of.

	Anyway, I'm finally allowed to pick up my stick, and I was very 
helpful, and referred to them as Sir, instead of:  Fuck off you 
harrasing 
pigs!  I'm an American Citizen and I got rights you know!  <whap thwap 
bonk BANG BANG BANG> "musta been resisting arrest, we had to pump him 
full of shells".

	Heheheh, so my nights walk was curtailed rather short.  And I got 
to have a run-in with the Moscow Police Department.  WHEEEE!  Tomorrow, 
I 
think I'll just take it easy and RUN.  8-)

	This evening has been brought to you by:  Groovy Dave's 
Adventures in Podunkville.  Please be sure and look both ways before 
crossing the street, and always wave at the Friendly Officers (tm).  It 

doesn't hurt you any, and gives the impression that you are a Good 
Citizen (tm).  8-)

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**
		   Groovy "Nuclear Powered" Dave
As the U.S.S. IGD cruises silently and swiftly under the polar icecap,
the unsuspecting enemy on the other side busily sits around card tables
swapping stories of long-forgotten triumphs and pipe-dream victories...
		--Robert Beers
************************************************************************
**





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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 15 09:38:23 1995
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Welp, looks like the US government hath decided that they're going to start
penalizing obscenity on the net, that telephony bill passing the senate(?)
yesterday.

How the fuck they're going to go after some sweaty guy in finland posting
pictures of Traci Lords to alt.binaries.erotica.pornstar is beyond me.

Doesn't really matter tho, the point is that our grand ol' country is
stepping up it's pace on squashing civil liberties.

A final vote is expected on Friday, so ... I'll try to post the email
addy's of senators later in the day.

We can't let this bill pass.  The internet is an international space - for
one country to attempt to regulate it is obscene.

earache



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In a technologically-induced stupor, Professor Earache flatly stated...
::
::Welp, looks like the US government hath decided that they're going to start
::penalizing obscenity on the net, that telephony bill passing the senate(?)
::yesterday.
::
::How the fuck they're going to go after some sweaty guy in finland posting
::pictures of Traci Lords to alt.binaries.erotica.pornstar is beyond me.

They will track own and prosecute people like me.  its in the bill: sysadmins
who allow the stuff to live on their network are liable.  Wonderful.  Now,
the question begged is this: how will they know what's on my network other
than my news feed?  If I have to I'll encrypt the whole damned thing.

::one country to attempt to regulate it is obscene.

Heh.  That's not the way Congressmunchkins see it.  It's simply a play for
power in a fearful society.  Porn in its various forms is easy prey.  I would
imagine it'll head to the US Supreme Court forthwith and get shot down.  But
SOMEone will have to take a case there; USSC doesn't, by the Constitution,
go after cases itself.



trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
					     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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in reponse to :Freedom of Speech:

What you are seeing about trying to monitor the net is but a small portion of our goverments big plan that will probably land this country in a police state within the next ten years (maybe sooner).  Hopefully you have heard stories about foreign troops
training on US soil, UNMARKED black helicopters flying low covert night missions in this country, communisim influence in our government (our progressive income tax was derived from KARL MARX), goverment plans to outlaw all gun ownership,
and the possibility of the UN running this country are but a few of the things that we might see in our generation.  The country as our forefathers dreamed it would be is rapidly swirling down the drain.

I could write pages about the things that I have seen and heard, regarding what are goverment really has in store for this country, is probably true.  Our generaation is probably the one thing that might stand in the way of our government getting their
way.

All I am saying is that when you hear of far-fetched stories about our government, don't be so quick to dis-credit them, the just might be true.  when you see outrageous new stories in the media (not icluding the Globe or the Enquirer) about are military
and government activities, stop and listen and educate yourselves on what other people are accusing our government of.

If we don't arm ourselves with ALL the information that is available to us, we all will be trying to fly, not under society's radar, but our own governments.

I will mention one more thing, associated with the unmarked black helicopters; MJTF, Multi-Juristictional TASK Force.  A group of people designed to oppress people whose political views oppose the governments. (sounds like a police state, doesn't it?).

Remember, MJTF< you might be haring bout it in the future.

One more thing then I will get off my soap box;

When a murder is committed with a knife, does are government outlaw knives?   No.
When a murder is committed with an automobile, does are government outlaw cars?   No.
When a murder is committed with any other method (besides a gun), does our government outlaw the me6thos used.?   No.


So why is our gvernment try to outlaw gun ownership?


Sorry about the typos and misused words, I'm typing in a hurry, cuz I've got to get back to work.

Peace.

Delray


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john from massive works at kinko's.  he is on his way over so when he 
gets here i will ask if he would be interested in making the new mw 
badges... he does nice work... look at massive!:)  he works thrid shift 
and always complains how he has nothing to do...i'm sure he will do it... 
for cheap too.  i'll let y'all know.

/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/
Ellen Steuer aka /\/\s. \/\/iggles			Anonymous
ellen@cyborganic.com					414.256.1343
http://www.cyborganic.com/People/ellen/

		***zine, cute girlz, good conversation***
/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/

On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Nicholas James Demeter wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Tim Henderson wrote:
> 
> > t-shirts or something. hmmmmmm.......
> > tim (optik)...
> 
> Hehehe long live Kinko's!! =) Anybody works there so we can get the best 
> deal of the house?? 
> 
> ____      
>      _______________________________________________________________________
>     /*     ---NICKO J. DEMETER---      **************  ----------------   */\
>    /*   ~~"You Will Die Mortal..."~~     ************  | Game Tester  |  */\
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>                          * outside of the net, and   *
>                          * inputs games for pleasure.*
>                          * No one knows for sure...  *
>                          * But I intend to find out. *
>                          ***********REBOOT!*********** 
> 
> 

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i dont need this paranoid bullshit in my mailbox.

take it to another list.




i got better things on me mind


(UR?)
++
e d


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>>>>>i got better things on me mind

like writing me back;)


nm

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on 6/14 tom pagona sed:
==================================================================
DJ Rage was the next Dj and for anyone who goes out midwest, I highly
recommend wandering into the way of some speakers where he's laying down
wax. What happened was an unexpected unsolicited gift. He played hard acid
for the rest of the night.
==================================================================

ack! forgot 2 post the SOURCE party 4 shannon & amy. i think i saw
a posting on the mw-rave list, but not on the others. well 4 all u
rage fans, he will be spinning this saturday in columbus, oh for...

SOURCE

sat.june 17.1995

dj's:
gene farris - erotic world records, relief records chicago
boris - erotic world records, relief, contact records chicago
traxx - liquid sky, house preservation society, soul foundation chicago
trevor lamont - underground peace society akron
rob rage - multiple eargasm productions, integrated recordings, soul
           foundation columbus
gank - spawntaneous productions cleveland

o chill out room by integrated
o all day outdoor after party by energy encorporated
o evmt4 sound system and intelligent lighting

main info: 614.341.7447

this party in memory of elizabeth dancy, miriam flores, natalie
harris and christina mazzetelli: your presence has given us the
strength and inspiration to carry on our lives and dreams. your
memories will never leave the hearts of those who love you.

---

oh yeah speakin of columbus, mary also called me w/ the final
lineup 4...

ULTRAVIOLET - ZAP productions

saturday 7.22.95

dj's:
paul johnson
eric davenport
miles maeda
astroboy
statistic man (ontario canada)
titonton
damon

ambient room:
peter wohelski (astralwerks)
+ local dj's

zap info: 614.265.7561

---

ooh yeah speakin of final lineups, brian of the Sugarkids also
called w/ the final lineup 4...

ORIGINS - Sugarkids productions

saturday july 8, 1995 youngstown, ohio

dj's:
carlos - san fran, CA
johnny d - san fran, CA
astroboy - st.louis
lemon lyman - columbus, oh
synapse - akron, oh
tic tac - cleveland, oh
dust - pittsburgh, pa
spastik - yougstown, oh
+ special guests

main info: 216.747.8146

---

well back 2 sortin thru v-mails & e-mails. sorry if my mails been
bouncing, but i think it's one of murphy's laws that if yur real
backed up w/ work, moving, a zine, and v-mail & e-mail that's when
people come out of the woodworks 2 bog u down w/ even more stuff.
...well atleast it should be one of his laws.

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stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________

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Delray said:
>When a murder is committed with a knife, does are government outlaw knives?
No.
>When a murder is committed with an automobile, does are government outlaw
cars?   No.

as far as I know it makes sense that the main purpose of a knife or an
automobile is not to harm someone else. They have a function besides that:
cutting your food, getting your children to school...

>So why is our gvernment try to outlaw gun ownership?

come in my hood and you'll get an idea. 
where do you live?

bambi - chicago
nib@dlogics.com



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    Kewl... This will be something creative. Let's see now... Who knows 
how to create Ray Traced pictures? Also we possibly need a modo for the 
t-shirt if we go ahead and do it. Any ideas? I suggest that if you guys 
have something creative in mind you can send it to the list and we can 
all deside what we want. How does that sound?

BTW, Cyborganic is kewl... Hey Ellen? I really liked Barbi that way! ;)

____      
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                         * outside of the net, and   *
                         * inputs games for pleasure.*
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eluna <eluna@coil.com>  said:


>i dont need this paranoid bullshit in my mailbox.
>
>take it to another list.
>
>
>
>
>i got better things on me mind
>
>
>(UR?)
>++
>e d



Amen.  How does this apply to music, etc?




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
                                 web collective/beatPHREAKsociety



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My apologies for getting off the subject and pissing everyone off.  I thought a few people might be interested in the bigger picture.  I guess the point that I attempted to make (poorly done) is that you ravers complain about being harrased, your not
alone.society is being harrassed by the police/government more and more each day.  I get the point, I'll shut up about it.


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From: Ian MacLachlan <ianmac@mmg2.im.med.umich.edu>
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At first I was horrified and felt the need to urge Delray M Dobbins 2 to 
chill...feel the vibe and have a blowpop.*PLUR*. But after careful 
examination of his message (running it through my ACME-spy-INC 3-D 
Encryption-Decryption Package that I just got at egghead) I saw buried in 
amongst all the paranoia a lovely little poem. It's a sort of modern 
beatnik free form kinda thing I thought you guys (esp. eluna) might 
appreciate.

On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Delray M 
Dobbins 230-3191 5962 shoulda wrote:

What you are, the net, is but a small portion of our country, a 
police state within the next ten years.

hopefully.

on _US_ 

soil                        UNMARKED                          black

flying 

communisim influence                                  progressive outlaw

I could write,

stop                        educate

haring bout soap

  No.

  No.

  No.

The End


> I'm typing in a hurry, cuz I've got to get back to work.


Delray I cannot even begin to speculate where that might be. Unlike 
Bambi, I cannot invite you down to my hood. I like my hood fine just the 
way it is. Everyone else is welcome as long as they leave their guns at 
home.;)

ianmac

PS- Anyone heard any good music lately? How about Brother From Another 
Planet on 7th City (claude young's new one)? On the accessible ambient 
tip---the not so hot off the presses Speedy J  G-Spot ....yesssss!
How about that new Uthak Opus remix?

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>
>When a murder is committed with a knife, does are government outlaw
>knives?   No.
>When a murder is committed with an automobile, does are government outlaw
>cars?   No.
>When a murder is committed with any other method (besides a gun), does our
>government outlaw the me6thos used.?   No.
>
>
>So why is our gvernment try to outlaw gun ownership?

knives, cars, and automobiles all have other purposes than to kill.  What
exactly is the purpose of a gun?  Do we need them to hunt?  I don't know.
The fact is, when the constitution mentioned the right to bear arms, guns
were a lot different than they are now.  Guns are EVIL, and I will defend
that view to anyone.  they are a machine made to KILL other beings.



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oint that I attempted to make (poorly done) is that you ravers complain
about being harrased, your not

YOU RAVERS?!  what exactly are you?  and what are you doing on this mailing
list if you are refering t ous as YOU ravers



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	1. I'm all a twitter about the t-shirt idea. I think it'd be 
	   really bitchin'. 

	2. Concerning Dave, in all honesty, I really don't see how the 
	   cops did anything to persacute you. I mean, they searched you.
	   Where's the misjustice in that?

	3. About that paranoid crap, I really don't need to say anything.

	1. Concerning the t-shirt, I think it'd be a bitchin' idea.
	   I'm all a twitter. I think it'd be much easier to find fellow
	   mwravers at an event. 

	2. Concerning Dave & the cops, I really fail to see where the  
	   misjustice is. I mean, they searched you, what's wrong with that?

	3. I really don't need to say anything about that paranoid crap.

	Puttin' in my 2 cents (why isn't there a cent symbol on the keyboard),
	+) kiwi - 

-- 
Stephen Roberts   | I find it insane that the American goverment considers it 
Purdue University | a basic human right for any lunatic to arm himself with a  
Philosopher       | 9mm, but an educated scholar cannot grow a beautiful plant.
Freak             | 		- In Defense of Cannabis Sativa

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 15 18:07:18 1995
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Hey...here's the official directions to Camelot, in Knoxville, TN...
	From points west (Nashville...)
Take I40 east all the way to Knoxville, Take exit 386A University 
Ave./Middlebrook Pike. Upon completing your exit you will come to a set 
of lights. Go straight through the lights, and keep going straight for 
2.0 miles. The venue (National Guard Armory) will be on the left hand 
side of the road. There is plenty of parking available at the venue and 
at the West High School (just before the armory on the left)
	From points north (Lexington...)
Take I75 South to I275 heading toward Knoxville, Merge with I40 heading 
toward Nashville, and immediately look on the right for exit 386B 
Airport/Smoky Mountains. Take the exit and stay to the right. Look for a 
sign on the right (Sutherland Ave) and fork to the right. At the stop 
sign go left. At the stop lights go straight for 2.0 miles and the venue 
will be on the left (National Guard Armory).
	From the South (Atlanta/Athens)
Take I75 North to I40 in Knoxville and follow the directions from points 
west...
	From the East (Raleigh/NC)
Follow I40 all the way to Knoxville and take exit 386B...follow 
directions from points north
The event will be held at the National Guard Armory Sutherland Ave-Knoxville
Most locals can get you to Sutherland Ave...Full directions will be on 
the Velocity hotline 615.558.1044

Please be careful driving..there will be an afterparty @ Mercury Theatre 
Sunday morning..Thanks for supporting our scene
love Velocity =)

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Those last replies to Delray's post have me either thinking: a) people have
been awake too long, b) people have been drinking way too much coffee or c)
people have too much time on their hands.

Ridiculing someone on mw-raves is a sad defecit in character, in my opinion.
I don't agree with alot of what Delray has to say; but calling him
"paranoid", constructing a cute beatnik poem out of his post, etc. is kind
of useless isn't?  It's strange how righteous a bunch of supposedly
"open-minded" people are.  Myself, included.

earache

PS. Relevant stuff - Gabber Girl and myself will be making our chi-town
debut - fingers crossed - at WAR.  If you can make it out, look for a bald
headed freak in a beatPHREAKsociety tee shirt.


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In a technologically-induced stupor, Professor Earache flatly stated...
::
::PS. Relevant stuff - Gabber Girl and myself will be making our chi-town
::debut - fingers crossed - at WAR.  If you can make it out, look for a bald
::headed freak in a beatPHREAKsociety tee shirt.

I saw these wonderfully designed tees at Even Furthur.  Any chance they'd be
available to the general public?



trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
					     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 15 20:00:21 1995
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the "strictly jungle" show has moved to 11pm friday nights on 89.3 wnur fm (in
the chicagoland area)... make sure to tune in tomorrow night as we commemorate
the time change with a special 3 hr show (from 11 til 2 am)... ring us on the
708-866-9687 at the time

mike
dj snuggles

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Jon states:

>Those last replies to Delray's post have me either thinking: a) people have
>been awake too long, b) people have been drinking way too much coffee or c)
>people have too much time on their hands.
>
>Ridiculing someone on mw-raves is a sad defecit in character, in my opinion.
>I don't agree with alot of what Delray has to say; but calling him
>"paranoid", constructing a cute beatnik poem out of his post, etc. is kind
>of useless isn't?  It's strange how righteous a bunch of supposedly
>"open-minded" people are.  Myself, included.


Thing is, current action on Capitol Hill has little relevance to the
mission of the mw-raves email list.  If I wanted to hear about legislative
action and how it might affect me in the future, I'd certainly check out
other resources on the net, which probably number in the hundreds.

If we could keep the Exon/Telephony/Gun Control/'Why I hate liver' posts to
a bare minimum, I'd appreciate it.  It's really out of focus of this list.
The info pointer that you posted initially Jon, is great!  But followups
and ranting may not fit on this list.



Andrew
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   Andrew Bennett
   abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com
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Nicko said:

>    III don't think so!! The song I'm talking about is on B96 every 
>morning but those two punks (TJ and Wild "My-Ass" Bill) will never say 
>the songs they play. It's a fast track and the lyrics go: "Tonight is the 
>night, is the night for love, forever and ever is never enough". Then the 
>guy sings with a Jamaican accent. This is harder than I thought. Any ideas???


Oh!  You didn't say *that*!

Besides, B96 is a country station here in town...


ha



Andrew
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 15 20:49:00 1995
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I'm not a right wing conservative, I invite you to avoid political dicussions
on this lists and join me on RUSHTALK, if you've got the guts to go finger to
finger with the conservatives.

RUSHTALK@ATHENA.CSDCO.COM

Miles

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steve called w/ the directions 2 deep records free anniversary
party & wanted me 2 post'em so here goes.

party is in geneva, ohio & starts @ noon.

from columbus: take 71 north 2 90 east. follow directions from
cleveland.

from cleveland & all pts west: 90 east for 45 min (from cleveland).
get off @ the geneva exit (rt 534). go west on rt 534 for 1/2 mile.
F.O.E. campground on left. pull in & park in the back 4 the party.

from pittsburgh & all pts east: 76 west 'til exit 16a (rt 680).
take 680 'til exit 2 (meridian rd). turn left on to meridian.
drive 1.3 miles. take rt 80 east toward NYC. get off on exit
228 (rt 11 north). stay on 11 north for 40 min. look for 90 west.
take 90 west 'til the geneva exit (rt 534). make right onto
rt 534. 1/2 mile down is the party @ the F.O.E. campground.

if u get lost call deep records - 216.382.3101. i think i might
post direx on my v-mail also - 216.556.1485.

c u there..

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From: Ellen Steuer <ellen@ramona.cyborganic.com>
To: Nicholas James Demeter <ndemet1@icarus.cc.uic.edu>
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john said he would do it... so low cost free badges for all... you will 
probably just have to pay postage and maybe a little for printing... more 
details soon i guess...

/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/
Ellen Steuer aka /\/\s. \/\/iggles			Anonymous
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		***zine, cute girlz, good conversation***
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On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Nicholas James Demeter wrote:

>     Kewl... This will be something creative. Let's see now... Who knows 
> how to create Ray Traced pictures? Also we possibly need a modo for the 
> t-shirt if we go ahead and do it. Any ideas? I suggest that if you guys 
> have something creative in mind you can send it to the list and we can 
> all deside what we want. How does that sound?
> 
> BTW, Cyborganic is kewl... Hey Ellen? I really liked Barbi that way! ;)
> 
> ____      
>      _______________________________________________________________________
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>    /*   ~~"You Will Die Mortal..."~~     ************  | Game Tester  |  */\
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>                          * No one knows for sure...  *
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> 
> 

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At 09:14 PM 6/15/95 -0500, Steve J White wrote:
>::headed freak in a beatPHREAKsociety tee shirt.
>
>I saw these wonderfully designed tees at Even Furthur.  Any chance they'd be

Thanks :)

>available to the general public?

Umm, hopefully [jpGroove :) ] at LIQUID.  The general plan is for them to be
available, when I don't know tho :)

earache
beatPHREAKsociety


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Could someone please tell me how to sub to the mw-raves calender?

thanks...
		...adam

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 16 05:32:48 1995
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In a technologically-induced stupor, Professor Earache flatly stated...
::
::Umm, hopefully [jpGroove :) ] at LIQUID.  The general plan is for them to be
::available, when I don't know tho :)

Ok, just let us know here.  Thanks.

- stevenJ


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> john said he would do it... so low cost free badges for all... you will
> probably just have to pay postage and maybe a little for printing... more
> details soon i guess...

I was trying to keep this quiet, but.. um.. oh well!

I've been talking to chris jones (mcjones on vrave) who is
an mw-raves member and professional graphic designer (as in
this is what he does for a living) about doing a new
MW-raves logo for the web page.  He's been working on a
couple designs and I'm super excited..  Maybe we could use
the final design on any badge/t-shirt or whatever that we
end up doing..  Of course, we don't HAVE to do this...
it's just a thought.  I just like the idea of having a
recognizable logo we can start putting on things... :)

-Sho
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<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.

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    Hahahaha OK Andrew, B96 DOES suck but it plays some fine tunes early 
in the morning. Well I figured it out and the track IS called "Tonight is 
the night" by Le Click. It comes as CD with four re-mixes on it. So that 
does it for the mystery of the unknown song! ;) See ya guys! =)

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HI!

I know this probably belongs in the classified section of something other 
than mw-raves, but sometimes the people on this list can be rather 
resourceful......here's what's up:

I am moving (yessss!) from Minneapolis to Chicago around the end of 
August or the beginning of Septemeber.  I know it is probably a bit 
early, but I am already trying to scope out a place and possibly a 
roomate. I am wondering if anyone knows of someone who will be 
looking for or needing a roomate (perferably female) or needing to fill 
a room in a house...blah blah blah.... 

(in case you want to know I am 23, I work full time at Starbucks Coffee, 
may or may not be going to school(literature major), and am easy to live 
with:) I also dig plants and am a great cook.)

If you know of someone or somwhere, or hear of something, please email me 
back or call my Chicago informants Adam and Nate (312 989 8642) and they 
will get the info to me.  Someone out there must know something....
					              ^^^^^^^^^
Thanks in advance,
peace and love,
 amy :)


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From: pittsj@UWSTOUT.EDU (Justin Morgan)
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Steve J White <aragorn@csd.uwm.edu> said:


>I saw these wonderfully designed tees at Even Furthur.  Any chance they'd be
>available to the general public?
>
>
>
>trying to fly under society's radar                        steven j. white
>                                                aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
>                                             finger for PGP 2.6 public key


Comming soon.  BPS t-shirts in a variety of colors and sizes.  I'm
currently looking for the best deal on cases of cotton t's.  Also, in the
future, look for sweatshirts, and perhaps light jacket windbreaker type
thingys.


Earache Said:

>Umm, hopefully [jpGroove :) ] at LIQUID.  The general plan is for them to be
>available, when I don't know tho :)

Well, the stickers will be available there for shure.  Many sizes, clear
window stickers, regualr ones, etc.  I'm just waiting for the cash for the
initial investment on t-shirts.  I'm working two jobs again so that should
be fairly soon.




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
                                 web collective/beatPHREAKsociety



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I got this from the Tribe mailing list.  I like this idea.  What d'ya think?

- stevenJ

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:: You know those book-a-thons where kids are sponsored to read a number of 
::books and then according to how many books the child has read, his 
::sponsors donate some money for a foundation? Well, instead of books, we 
::could start up a sponsored rave team, where according to the number of 
::hours they danced, people would donate money and we would in turn give it 
::to a good organization like Help the Homeless. What do you think? It 
::would be an opporutunity for people to see the good in our scene.
::-Bob.



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About this badges thing, sounds ok as long as they are cool and don't 
make me look like a convention-goer or something ;).
Tim and I would totally be down for busting out some eyecandy for this 
project whether we want graf style logos or high-res raytraced 3D 
mindbending shit.. Or both? Like extruded melted warped atomized wildstyle?
With characters? Or holograms? Or micro-projectors? ;) Or, or or?

Ted
Retina Burn All-Stars
"Styles for Miles..."



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Just for the record as to all this "professional graphic designer" stuff
i've been working in this field for about 6 years now and tim just got 
his degree in it, so just because we talk like a couple of loc'd out 
krakhedz  don't think we don't know what we're doing... ;)
i just don't see how a design we are all supposed to sport around should 
be developed in secret, it kinda seems contrary to the purpose. Maybe we 
should start uploading some ideas to hyperreal or something? Put it to a 
vote? Or we could just all make our own even, and just agree on something 
obvious like a color scheme, for instance print it on fluorescent blue 
cardstock... We have a really nifty method of printing on to real 
circuitboards, it would be cool for a short run, how many of these 
buggers do we need?
Don't get me wrong I'm not wanting to exclude anybody, quite the contrary 
I think we should include everyone <who's interested> in this... As for 
logos if any of you have seen the Massive mag covers by Most we're down 
with him.. Imagine some of his shit run through 3D extrusion and other 
filters, photochopped, etc. and that may give you some idea of what we've 
got in mind...

Lets keep the momentum up on this I'd really like to see it happen, i'm 
sick of going to parties KNOWING there's other net.freex there and not being 
able to locate 'em..

Ted

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> From: Lee Harvey Bobbitt <toke@cyberspace.org>
> Just for the record as to all this "professional graphic designer" stuff
> i've been working in this field for about 6 years now and tim just got 
> his degree in it, so just because we talk like a couple of loc'd out 
> krakhedz  don't think we don't know what we're doing... ;)
> i just don't see how a design we are all supposed to sport around should 
> be developed in secret, it kinda seems contrary to the purpose. Maybe we 
> should start uploading some ideas to hyperreal or something? Put it to a 
> vote? Or we could just all make our own even, and just agree on something 
> obvious like a color scheme, for instance print it on fluorescent blue 
> cardstock... We have a really nifty method of printing on to real 
> circuitboards, it would be cool for a short run, how many of these 
> buggers do we need?

Cool.  Or better yet, let's not worry about having any kind
of "official" anything.. let's just come up with some
designs and whoever wants to do whatever, that's cool.  

> Lets keep the momentum up on this I'd really like to see it happen, i'm 
> sick of going to parties KNOWING there's other net.freex there and not being 
> able to locate 'em..

:)

-Sho
--
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                            having for lunch!

<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.

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This is what that Adam chap typed:
>> oint that I attempted to make (poorly done) is that you ravers complain
>> about being harrased, your not
> 
> YOU RAVERS?!  what exactly are you?  and what are you doing on this mailing
> list if you are refering t ous as YOU ravers
> 

That isn't the point of the matter.  He has every right to be on the mailing 
list even if doesn't like techo what-so-ever.  What DOES matter that he poor-
ly made a point.  We do mainly discuss what happens to us and our scene solely.
However, IMO you need to look at this as a microcosm that we pertain to in 
every discussion/debate we make, so to speak.  What happens to us and and our 
scene occurs in a larger scale to everybody as a whole.  What he apparently
can not compute is that this mailing list is not for globel issues, it's just
for us and what we do as a living/hobby.  nomore and no less.  
He probably just thinks that harassment only happens to HIM and thinks we are
naive and selfish about discussing it in, "our little world". :)

mygod did any f that make sense?

mint

ps. this was not a vindictive slam against delray or asam.


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     That is an INCREDIBLE idea!  Outsiders tend to see ravers as freaks
or losers...although most of us ignore these bad feelings, it still gets to
some ppl.  It affects their view of themselves as ravers and as participants
in the scene.  Something kewl like this would make outsiders and INSIDERS
remember that ravers in the scene do have the power to make a difference...
it's NOT true (as I've heard ppl claim) that all ravers do is hang out,
do drugs, party, and dance.
   For me, talking about something like this reminds me of the ppl who actually
take their involvement in the scene and do something constructive with it.
Everyone knows ravers who have become promoters, vendors, dj's, clothing store
owners, etc.  Anybody who has the guts to do that deserves serious respect.
Life is way too short not to get your sh*t together and make the most of your
time and talent.
     I hope this idea gets carried out...I'd be more than willing to help
anyone who is interested in putting some kind of rave-a-thon and rave team
(heh, heh...rave becomes an Olympic sport in the future  :^}  together.


                                                       Rique (fujiyama mo')


                             hjcurt00@ukcc.uky.edu
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        The opening paragraph of an article on Hotwired sums up the art of
being a DJ. The article is by negativland and is about copyright law, *not*
spinning records -  but I think these words ring true anyways.

"As Duchamp pointed out many decades ago, the act of selection can be a
form of inspiration as original and significant as any other. Throughout
our various mass mediums, we now find many artists who work by "selecting"
existing cultural material to collage with, to create with, and to comment
with."

You can find the rest of the article (if you're a subscriber (free) to
Hotwired) at:
Hotwired: http://www.hotwired.com/Ren2.0/Twain/Negativland/index.html

mikew
http://gagme.wwa.com/~mikew



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  !!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!!
       !!! Please watch where you send replies !!!


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 15 10:11:29 1995
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:12:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: SpaceFunk <mudd@umich.edu>
To: mw-raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>
Subject: Luna

A month ago I posted a report about the party Luna in det.  I feel that 
my report was wrong and I was misinformed.  To make things clear: The 
party was busted because the space had no dance hall permit. The 
promoters were not at fault. Morgan was only there and me slandering him 
was irresposible and ignorant, he knows what he's doin.  I didn't realize 
that I upset so many ppl with that flame and hope this clears shit up. 
						Peace..


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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:11:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert <balvarez@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Tim Henderson <thender0@tiger.gtc.georgetown.ky.us>
cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com
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On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Tim Henderson wrote:

> off) because it was cheaper than parking in a lot. wierd. also, we saw some 
> graf writers, but didn't talk to them, much to my dismay.
>         After chicago we went to Ft. Wayne, IA to get up on the legal wall 

hmmm...kinda tricky situation. most writers i know wont want anyhting to 
do with people they call "techno writers," ravers who write. they think 
that they try to steal from their culture and whatnot. personally, i'm 
more into hip-hop than anything, occasionally listening to a gabber or 
jungle set, and i also think that graffiti and techno are kinda 
unrelated. but i know plenty of "techno writers", and they do just as 
good sometimes as hip-hoppers. i guess there's room for all who wish to 
write, but as long as you have the skills.

peace




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Subject: Sunny Day (net raver gathering) 6-24 1995.. cincinnati (fwd)
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:06:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Dienger <gsammd@noctrl.edu>
Reply-To: Mark Dienger <gsammd@noctrl.edu>
Subject: Sunny Day (net raver gathering) 6-24 1995.. cincinnati
To: posting <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>

Ok here y'all go:
			Mark-E D Presents:
		S   U   N   N   Y       D   A   Y  
		 June 24, 1995    Cincinnati, OH

This is going to be a gathering.. not a rave.  The main purpose of this 
	party is to meet people, and have fun in my back yard. 

There will be Dj's, but they are not the main attarction.  They are there 
	to supply us with the music. The people are going to be the main 
	attraction of this gathering.
This party will be similar to Becca's attraction party.
If you are coming from out of town we can accomidate for you but please 
tell me ahead of time.
Also if you plan on coming please Email me so i know how my vegan food to 
make.

Confirmed DJ's are:
Brad Rolf (Cincinnati, aka adrock on vrave)
Anthony (Cincinnati, anthony on vrave)
Miss V (Cincinnati, aka vanessa of vrave)
Tim Henderson (Cincinnati, aka optik on vrave)
Ryan Freeman (London, Ontario superstar)

Unconfrimed DJ's but most likely spinning if they get here:
Prof. Earache & Gabbergirl <---- a tagteam of the ruff stuff
(aka Jong and from Minn.)
Tigger (If he can get a ride from chicago *i think that is where he is* 
	If someone can email me his #, i will love ya)
Adam Goldstein (Is in the boat as tigger is... he needs a ride from Chitown)
Devin (sp)... becca's friend)
Damen (Cincinnati.. if tim can get him he will be there)

The schedule is very flexible and if you have redkids you can spin.
This is FREE as hell and afterwards we are all caravaning to Ft. 
Wayne for Indiana Tones or maybe something else closer.
It is going  to be in my backyard so RESPECT is a must and NO DRUGS, MY 
parents are going to be there as security *kinda*
There will be a vegan picnic and basketball for all of the jocks out there.
This party is also going to be my birhtday party... I turn 19 *oh boy!*
Rain or shine it will happen!
Please bring toys, games and good atitudes!
for directions:
email me at gsammd@nccseq.noctrl.edu or call my house at 513.777.0518

I hope to see y'all there!... 
peace

Mark Dienger aka dinka



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From MORKJD@CAB.MRS.UMN.EDU  Thu Jun 15 00:33:37 1995
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This is a club venue event at the     FINE LINE CAFE
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Date: Fri,  9 Jun 1995 13:24:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thomas C Butcher <tb303+@CMU.EDU>
To: pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com, ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu,
        mw-raves@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com

Hi everyone-

please excuse this cross-posting, but I wanted to let everyone know that
Electronica, a Pittsburgh radio show (also an Orbitrecords production),
features unsigned talent each week, with over a million potential
listeners.  One artist featured on the show has made several contacts,
including a commisioned independent film score.

All you need to do to have your music featured on the show is submit a
quality recording of your music.  Quality recording means a decent
sounding cassette, preferably type II or better.  Also please include a
cover letter, some sort of bio... whatever information you want read
over the air accompanying your music (don't forget your email address or
contact information).

send to:

    Orbitrecords
    5222 Forbes Avenue
    Pittsburgh, PA 15217-1102

You'll receive email a few days before the show on which your music will
be played.  Thanks!

Tom Butcher                                            [tb303+@cmu.edu]
Orbitrecords                                             [412.392.1505]

:: orbitrecords information superlink
:: http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/orbitrecords/

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Subject: Re: The Orb and Beat Non Stop
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robert typed this out...... 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Tim Henderson wrote:
> 
> > off) because it was cheaper than parking in a lot. wierd. also, we saw some 
> > graf writers, but didn't talk to them, much to my dismay.
> >         After chicago we went to Ft. Wayne, IA to get up on the legal wall 
> 
> hmmm...kinda tricky situation. most writers i know wont want anyhting to 
> do with people they call "techno writers," ravers who write. they think 
> that they try to steal from their culture and whatnot. personally, i'm 
> more into hip-hop than anything, occasionally listening to a gabber or 
> jungle set, and i also think that graffiti and techno are kinda 
> unrelated. but i know plenty of "techno writers", and they do just as 
> good sometimes as hip-hoppers. i guess there's room for all who wish to 
> write, but as long as you have the skills.
> 
> peace
> 
> 

well, i am into hip hop more than i am into "rave" music....i mean, i like hip 
hop much better, but i dislike neither, and i guess that being into hip-hop 
since 4th grade might qualify me as being "down".  however, the point is not 
whether i am "down" or not, the point is that i think that i have the skillz 
to pay the billz.  and even then, there are gonna be writers who are better 
than me.  everybody has to suck at first.  as to techno writers ripping off 
hip-hop culture, the fact that graffiti existed before hip-hop kind of makes 
hip-hop a part of graffiti culture, in a sense.  anyway, i think that graffiti 
can be and is a cross-cultural experience, i mean, pick up a copy of subway 
art or spraycan art and you'll see that, along with the b-boys and 
hip-hoppers, there are other ppl who are some of the best artists of all time, 
who may not be into hip-hop at all, or at least they dont appear to be (i.e. 
SEEN, LEE, etc.) as far as appearances go. the only ppl who can lay claim to 
being THE integral part of graffiti are the manufacturers of Krylon.  However, 
i guess every culture likes to have something to call it's own, whether it is 
graffiti, clothes, food, etc., but i wish that when two cultures cross, as in 
the case of "hip-hop" and "techno" writers, that ppl could see the common 
ground as a positive instead of a negative....

oh well....

tim (optik)

--
Tim Henderson                           
                                   "Toyz Get Wrecked!!!!!!!!"
thender0@gtc.georgetown.ky.us
timh@iglou.com

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Interstellar Outback is coming around soon. This will be better than last
years, why because the number of people who enjoy techno has doubled. Last
year there was a medium sound system (4 stacks) and various other small
sound system donated by various people.

>From what I know, there will be 3 large (I mean it) sound systems :
-Cervin Vega is bringing a prototype sound system. It is a new design. How
much they are bringing, I don't know but I suppose that it will not small
-From what I know, Richie Hawtin from +8 records is bringing his Detroit
sound system and all his music gear.
-Maxximum is bringing 16 stacks (that can powerup 10 000 people).

So far there are two companies donating intelligent lightings :
-Maxximum
-I am not sure of the name of the other one, but they are good

There will be also other people bringing their own systems. I want to thank
those people.

IO2 is a celebration of music, a place where many people will meet, a place
where many djs will spin and show there talents.

Things to remembers :
-bring water (lots lots of it)
-sun screen lotion (15 or plus factor)
-clothes
-food for 4 days
-a smile
-tent and/or sleeping bad
-warm clothe and rain clothing in case it is cold or rainy (I hope it will
not rain)
-insect repelent (last year, the turntable were attacked by instects making
the record skip)
-toy
-address book to remeber your new friends you will meet
-first aid kit
-camera or video camera
-a know your limit knowledge (we don't need another china incident)
-vitamines and herbes
-your records if you spin (send me a tape if you wanna spin on my system)
-keep the site clean (mother nature does not mind us, but she does not what
to be poluted)

I want to thank JJ and the 28 promoters involved for bringing IO2 to the scene.

Note : If someone know a company that would like to donate 3 generators with
the following requirement :
-each gene must supply a minimum of 50 000 watts at 120 volts AC, 3 phase
contact me or JJ.

French E
pEace and out
Know your limits of your mind and your body




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If some has or knows someone that has a FREEVOX 6 Mixer, I want to rent it
for the last weekend of August.

French E


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heya!
does anybody know any good store where i can buy rave clothes for guys???
hmm, Chicago is not my hometown, so im still kinda exploring it:))) 
Thanx a lot for your info and help!!!!
peace, love, and see ya,
janek (WASIO)

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 18 16:02:43 1995
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well source was a nice party...columbus' 1st all outdoor event.  it was 
nice because it was intimate and tight, with about 400 ppl whose faces 
were hard to see because it was so dark!  but once i found some people i 
knew i settled in for a great evening...and met many new ppl as well.

quick rundown:
-i missed titonton and gank's sets...
-boris' skills were sketchy but some tracks were good...lots of chicago house
-GENE FARRISSSSSS!!!  woah this dude TORE UP.  chi in the HOUSE!  tight, 
sweet selection, etc etc blah blah blah.  a dj i will TRAVEL to see 
now...he he
-traxx tore up as usual altho i just cant seem to get into his 
sets...(personal thing i guess).  by this time it was daylight.
-trevor lamonte kicked some phat-ass house to ring the morning in nicely...
-then rage ended the whole shebang.

props to rage and stewart...multiple eargasm alive again!

the space was a great park/outdoor area...very picturesque, grassy, etc...
the site owners weren't too happy about it all, which is something we 
promoters should remember in the future: stay in good with the space 
owners, they will let you use it again!!  if not, you have to scrounge 
for an ever-decreasing amount of spaces...think about it

alright...this was a nice warmup for our jun 30 event with paul johnson 
and dan bell...btw email me if you need crash space, i am sure we can 
arrange it!!



ok, enough bandwidth for me...

sheeit i am being brief!  wow!!
++
e d



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Last epsiode, eluna cried out:

> so it seems to me that moving vrave is juat about the moral equivalent of 
> moving out to the suburbs, leaving the inner city to rot.  it seems like 
> an evasion.  and no matter how hard we try there are vravers out there, 
> some of them "devout" and "hardcore" and all that, who will STILL tell a 
> lot of other ppl about the new site, and the problems will come back!
	I don't think that's a fair simile. I mean, think of it like this,
	he didn't abandoned anything, he merely moved it. It's hasn't 
	been moved to the suburbs, it's just moved down the steet.
	IMHO, it's for the best. Too many assholes who were interested
	in soley being assholes were logging in. Granted, it's not that bad
	during the summer, but during the school year, it's unbearable.
	It's not an elitism of any kind, it's just "going underground".
	Those people who should know, will. 
	
	+) kiwi - 

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in saint louiee on july 1, 1995... . ... .

	merlin and zroe productions would like to 
	invite the underground family to..

	------ANOTHER CONSPIRACY------


	this all star extravaganza feature st. louis's finiest dj's:

		MARC BUXTON	.truely a legend
		WAXEE		.acid jazz, house wizard
		THE PROFESSOR	.a quick stylish rising star!
		KEVIN BROCK	.dope!  maybe a pound ;)
		STEVE-O		.awesome!  one of the original promoters!
		JAJO		.smooOooth!
		JEREMY REESE	.progressive breaks specialist

	nrg provided thru ben monroe sound
	visuals by 3 blind mice
	rejuvenating fluids by msd

	starts 11:00- ???
	
	info:  314.559.2315



::  ok, end flier quote here, personal note beginning  ::

this party is being brought to you by some of the oldest old school that 
st louiee still has around.  it is a small, special party whose emphasis 
is the ppl and the party.... back to why we are here in the first place.

all of the proceeds from this party are going to help out merlin, who is 
in a bit (understatement) of fedral trouble at the moment.  zroe and 
merlin have been promoting in the st louiee scene longer than i remeber 
the flier lists some of their past parties as: emotion, metamorphosis, 
nocturanl wonderland.. etc.   these are also the guys who started conspiracy 
the two dollar rave kid night at fallout.

this party will not be FAMILY GATHERING but there will be a family 
gathering there to refocus to our roots and our music.  you are all 
invited to come and join us, i truely hope to see you there.

take care.
electric k



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 18 22:26:37 1995
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  Well finally another madison party..i was kinda getting sick of 
chicago..weekend after weekend.  Anyway..i loved the space the party was 
held at, it was a at this brand new expo center.  Mostly everyone there 
was friendly..which is usually good.  It was my first time to get to 
watch Donald Glaude from Seattle, since I didnt get to go to U.F.O and I 
would definetly go see him again.  Speedy and Huggie also did a soopah 
rad job.  The one kinda wierd thing though was...they had the DJ in the 
middle and speakers on each side then right next to the speakers, closest 
to the DJ they had people dancing in cages...i dunno just was kinda 
sketchy. Then early morning just when we were gonna leave, some stupid 
guy did way to many drugs...dont wanna get into what he did, anyway he 
got kicked out of the party and was trying to get back in, what ended up 
happening was freakin out hardcore so the cops put him in handcuffs and an 
ambulance got him.  I wish people wouldnt get that fucked up at parties 
cause it just makes us all look bad...But overall it was a good party.

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		***zine, cute girls, good conversation***
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Is Vrave down ? I try to connect and got refused ...!!!!!!!

French E


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Um hi n stuff....im confused i tried to connect to v-rave, and it said 
connection refused or sumtin like that...Whats up?!  If anyone knows 
could you please write me back cuz i like it and stuff....

K-bye

Timbosmegma

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wanted:  12" of figures on a beach, remake of bto's "you ain't seen nothing yet".  i've been looking for several years including dc and chitown.  but no luck.  any know were one is, or runs across one, please let ,me know.  thanks.


peace.

delray

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   Does anybody know if people can go to ONLY the second night of Family
Affair (Akron, July 1-2) and get in for half price or something similar?


                                                          Rique

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I saw this on the Tribe list too.  I agree with Steve that it would be a 
great idea to boost our image in the MidWest--counter some of the bad 
press given busts in Detroit, Chicago, and elsewhere.

Well, instead of books, we
::could start up a sponsored rave team, where according to the number of
::hours they danced, people would donate money and we would in turn give it
::to a good organization like Help the Homeless. What do you think?

Count me in alllllll night!  :)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Mark Alan Brotherton                           aka Digerati0 on #rave 

  As the unity of the modern world becomes increasingly a technological 
  rather than a social affair, the techniques of the arts provide the most 
  valuable means of insight into the real direction  of our own collective 
  purposes.
                 ---Marshall McCluhan
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 19 06:43:59 1995
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To those of you wondering whats up with Vrave...

If I remeber a previous post correctly, Vrave is being moved. Apparently 
there has been a high level of noise and moving Vrave is supposed to 
solve the problem. People aren't being told where the new site is.

I think the words used were "Those who should know, will."

IMO, this is an obnoxious display of elitism.

Peace? Unity? blah blah blah... 

If for some reason I am terribly mistaken, someone let me know, I would 
hate to be spreading misinformation or causing a bad vibe.

mike w

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>Then early morning just when we were gonna leave, some stupid 
>guy did way to many drugs...dont wanna get into what he did, anyway he 
>got kicked out of the party and was trying to get back in, what ended up 
>happening was freakin out hardcore so the cops put him in handcuffs and an 
>ambulance got him.  I wish people wouldnt get that fucked up at parties 
>cause it just makes us all look bad...

was probably the same guy who left a nasty message on my voicemail, here is
how it happened:

1) bambi agrees to provide info-line service in chicago for 20,000 leagues
2) friday night, promoter calls and leaves me voice-mail with directions to
the map-point from chicago
3) saturday I (try to) put the directions on my voice-mail, but as many of
you who know me already know, my french accent is kind of heavy and hard to
understand if you don't make an effort
4) as I check my message thru the day, one was a sexy silky female voice
saying "you sound goooood". ---> bambi flattered
5) next one was from a pretty freaked out guy saying "yo stoopid mutha fucka
learn to speak fuckin english so we can fuckin understand the fuck out of
what you are fuckin sayin fucker" (and I think I'm missing a couple of f*words)
6) I changed the out-going message to just point to the main line in
Madison, cauz at least this way noone was gonna get lost

I have been using my voice-mail for a few dozen (house) parties in the last
couple of years and have had some pretty funky messages, usually funny and
creative, sometimes very sexual (always cool :P ), sometimes very musical,
but never as rude as this guy's verbal garbage. I hope that...
1- he didn't make it to Madison. Madison's scene is too nice too be poluted
by such chicago trash
2- if he did, I hope he's the one who freaked out and got arrested. I also
hope he becomes somebody's bitch while in jail
3- I had a caller-ID on my voice-mail

sorry for the bitterness, that was a *fuckyou* to this guy as well as an
*excuse-me* to the people who had to make a long-distance to find out where
the map-point for 20,000 leagues was. I hope you guys all had fun, I was in
bed, dehydrated after jodie forced me to go in the sun saturday (I'm a vampyre).

peace and lemme know where vrave moved if it did...

bambi
nib@dlogics.com



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 19 08:28:43 1995
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I understand that people have been rude on vrave
but hell I don't know what is going on..........
Andrew please help us we just want our addiction

=]

or at least I know I am addicted to it =]

jen


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*Jennifer Palmer* aka Deadbeat or Kriket
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From: Steve J White <aragorn@csd.uwm.edu>
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In a technologically-induced stupor, Steve J White flatly stated...
::
::I got this from the Tribe mailing list.  I like this idea.  What d'ya think?
[forwarded message deleted]

I've changed my mind about this idea after reading the various posts from
people on the Tribe mailing list.  On the surface it sounded like a very
positive, community-based idea but then I started thinking about my rants
about the underground and such and realized my inconsistency, right away.

Many of the posts that followed what I sent to mw-raves had to do with
contacting the news media to get some positive press.  *Any* press = a lack
of underground.  I firmly believe that a naive outlook on the scene as
'something to be enjoyed by all' is just that, naive.  Since the cops in
cities such as Chicago and Milwaukee simply don't want to see parties happen
(and actually it's the cities per se, not necessarily the law enforcement
folks) then why even try to move things above-board and above ground?

Like many, I'd like to see new people enter the scene to keep it alive.
Evolution is necessary for something to grow.  But simply trying to make
parties more mainstream, which is the opposite of underground, isn't going
to solve our problems having to do with municipalities who look at 'us' with
scorn.

So, instead of trying to work within the system we should keep strong our
own network ties (not necessarily those Internet-related ;-).  Thrusting the
scene into the mainstream will only contribute to 1) more money involved,
which ALWAYS leads to more corruption and 2) more worries generated by
misunderstanding Citizens{tm} and their respective law enforcement agencies.

- stevenJ


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From: Nicholas James Demeter <ndemet1@icarus.cc.uic.edu>
To: Jennifer Palmer <jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu>
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    If someone took VRave from the hyperreal site I have a message for 
him. Hey dude, YOU SUCK!! Who the hell died and made you God? I know that 
a lot of you out there are all upset with the newbies that get in just to 
use the trial period and get out, and I accept that. Why then didn't the 
administrators send letters out to the verified account users stating 
that VRave's site is going to change and how to get info as of where it 
is. This "the people that need to know will know" thing just pisses me 
off soooo bad! I really really need to be on VRave. My girlfriend Liz 
(elizabeth/i luv nicko) lives at S. Carolina and since I am poor and 
telephone costs, VRave is the only way I can talk to her excluding email!
So what do you think? Do I need to know where the hell VRave is???? 

Damn Pissed but sincerely yours...

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From: Steve J White <aragorn@csd.uwm.edu>
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Subject: vrave
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I don't know who was at the heart of shutting down vrave (or moving it or
whatever) but, even though there's been a lot of abuse, so what?  Things on
the net in general are getting overloaded, that's a given.  If there's a lot
of newbies throwing about obscenities and such then simply go to your own
channel and ignore them; it's very simple and the software is built for this
sort of situation.  

so now it has moved and unless you are 'in the know' or whatever, you're out
of the picture.  Too bad.  I had such a good time in vrave and met a lot of
very nice people, even though many abused the system.  If you're looking for
an alternative try:

	telnet chat.hotwired.com 2428

But, be warned.  The conversation here is not the sort you'll find in
vrave.  It's very much centered on Wired Magazine (yuck). 

And please, if you're gonna use *this* system, don't abuse it.  and if some do
abuse it then simply go to your own channel.  Eventually the assholes will go
away.  They always do.

- stevenJ


trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
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So it appears that Vrave got shut down. Not really a surprise here. Over 
the past six months, the server's traffic had become decidedly un-ravish, 
with a lot of people popping on the site that not only didn't have 
anything to do with the prime reason for the site's existence (rave, 
raving, techno, etc...things in _that_ vein), but who, in numerous cases, 
really didn't even have any business operating a computer on the 
Internet. I myself was getting pretty damned appalled at the state of 
things on there, and had been avoiding the site...it had become that bad! 
You could _not_ talk about much of _anything_ involving the scene on it 
at most times without getting flamed...gods forbid you should get 
_esoteric_ and discuss techno or ambient music production or even just 
_synthesizers_....woooooo, badthing extraordinaire!!! It's _certainly_ 
much more important to let Vrave turn into IRC V2.0, eeeee-yup!!!
	And no, it's not good that it got moved/taken down. There were 
people I needed to keep in touch with on there. But over the past several 
weeks, it became impossible to do even that and I was resorting to email 
and other methods because it was nigh-impossible to discuss business with 
people shouting gobbledygook, piling onto the system until the server 
ground to a halt, or even popping onto the channels I was on, avoiding 
Ch.1, just to show up and be abusive to get their rocks off. Lovely! 
Yeah, that's PLUR in action, boooo-eeeee. Mmm-hmm. 
	So it got moved. 'Roo warned us that if it got out of hand, it'd 
get moved/trashed at one or two other points previously, and apparently 
no-one either listened or took his rationale for doing so seriously. 
Personally, I applaud Andrew for taking the step finally, even though it 
has been an inconvenience to many; it is a move that needed to be done to 
get rid of all of the abusive behavior, non-rave users, and people who 
had no business on the server in general. And no, that's not an elitist 
sentiment, either...Vrave is supposed to be for the RAVE CULTURE, and 
it's not a crappy chatline for whatever net.trash rolls in on it. If this 
is what Andrew needed to do to pull it back for this culture and rescue 
what I considered to be a failing site due to its loss of focus on its 
purpose, then I for one applaud his actions.
	I would figure that as soon as most of the refuse on there has 
found something/someone else to go annoy, the new location will be more 
prevalently known. Until then, chalk up the loss to something of an 
inability to self-police a resource, and sit back and wait. Yeah, it's a 
pain...there were people from a couple of labels and such I needed to 
keep in touch with by a more "rapid" method of communication such as 
Vrave, but as I also said, how could you use it as bad as it had gotten? 
It wasn't "ours" anymore.

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 19 10:59:20 1995
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I know how you feel people.  They should have let us known where the damn 
place would be hidden.  They should have let the registered users know.  
Anyways.  I am outa may head and should go. Please bring the Vrave back. 
sniff sniff


JOhn sin Massive (one again on-line)


On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Nicholas James Demeter wrote:

>     If someone took VRave from the hyperreal site I have a message for 
> him. Hey dude, YOU SUCK!! Who the hell died and made you God? I know that 
> a lot of you out there are all upset with the newbies that get in just to 
> use the trial period and get out, and I accept that. Why then didn't the 
> administrators send letters out to the verified account users stating 
> that VRave's site is going to change and how to get info as of where it 
> is. This "the people that need to know will know" thing just pisses me 
> off soooo bad! I really really need to be on VRave. My girlfriend Liz 
> (elizabeth/i luv nicko) lives at S. Carolina and since I am poor and 
> telephone costs, VRave is the only way I can talk to her excluding email!
> So what do you think? Do I need to know where the hell VRave is???? 
> 
> Damn Pissed but sincerely yours...
> 
> ____      
>      _______________________________________________________________________
>     /*     ---NICKO J. DEMETER---      **************  ----------------   */\
>    /*   ~~"You Will Die Mortal..."~~     ************  | Game Tester  |  */\
>   /*         **ndemet1@uic.edu**           **********  ---------------- */\
>  /*    **http://www.uic.edu/~ndemet1/**      ********  | Big Ego Guy! |*/\   
>  \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> 
>                          *****************************
>                          * They say the user lives   *
>                          * outside of the net, and   *
>                          * inputs games for pleasure.*
>                          * No one knows for sure...  *
>                          * But I intend to find out. *
>                          ***********REBOOT!*********** 
> 
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 19 11:54:36 1995
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Okay, I've had this burning in me for too long.

Saturday, June 10th I got together with some friends to head out to 
Shelter, here in Chicago. 2 of these friends are "members" and have a card 
that gets them in for free ahead of the rest of the line. 

Regardless of my being a hardcore clubber, I'm still one of the "regular" 
people that hasn't been "blessed" with the little green membership card.
My friends and I took seperate cars and I told them that I would meet 
them inside.

This is what has me so pissed: I arrived at Shelter at 1AM and stood in 
line until 2:15am. During this unbearable 1 hour and 15 minute wait 
probably 150 people got in ahead of me. To put it lightly, I felt like a 
F***ING idiot. I couldn't leave because I had my friend's mini-backpack 
with me and had to give it to him inside.

I had to ask myself what was so unappealing about me that members and 
other specially selected non-members (women, couples, etc.) could breeze 
in right past me. When I finally got in, I asked what it takes to get a 
membership. I was told that a phone call during the week would do the 
trick. The following Monday, I called Barry, the owner, and left him a 
friendly voice message and my phone number. My call was never returned.

In the end, this whole experience left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I 
can't believe that I suffered this kind of humiliation only for the 
"permission" to spend my money there.

My god, I could throw a fit and drop a million names, I could spam every 
techno/rave/club/house e-list, chat channel, and web author. This is just 
not my style.

Rather, I'll bring myself, my friends and my money to the myriad of 
alternatives in chicago: Red Dog, Crobar, Raves, my own parties.

Shelter and I won't miss eachother.

mike w

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Hey-

I was wondering if anyone could tell me about how much this party is going to
cost.  Some friends of mine and I were originally planning on going to Ohio all
weekend, first for Family Affair but since that is costing so much we decided
not to go to that.  We still might make the trip, depending on how much this
party will cost.  It has an excellent fucking line up and I want to go...
hopefully it won't cost too much.

Any input?  Illuminators???

Kimm Follett, Green Bay Wisconsin
948191kf@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu


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Saturday, July 1st                                             Chicago, IL

                             A T P   Presents:

                     B    A    B    Y    L    O    N
                          "No rest for the wicked"

                             10 pm until 10 am

        *A Four turntable performance from the "deadly dual"
                  DJ TRANCE and RAW (Los Angeles, Bassex, Insomniac)

                 *ASTROBOY (St. Louis, Trance Specialist)

                 *MARKY MARK (San Francisco, Wicked Crew)

                          Chicago Players:

     *TRAXX (Liquid Sky, HPS)       *MIKE DEARBORN (Djax Fever)
     *EFEX  (Tribal Warfare)        *JUSTIN LONG (Liquid Sky, Contact Records)

   o  Within' the temple of BOOM--ATP's original wall of sound (30 Bins+)
      Elite audio by Total Musik

   o  Cyberlight mania by Dave Gandy       o  Cool-Offs by Liquid Neos

   o  "When the Smoke Clears" Visual Intelligence Productions... live video mix
       and complete crowd coverage         


On the first day of July...

    Entering a Pagan world of Immense Proportions as we stand on the threshold
towards dance floor mayhem.  In Perpetual stride to our Saturday Ritual of
Sound within a place for true Wickedness, a place we'd like to call "Babylon".

Breakin it down-    312.509.6407   708.581.3200 x 287

Royal Respects- Communique, CORE Innovations, Sense, Drop Bass, Ripe, Majesty,
                Flipside, Primary, and the rest of the ELITE CORE throughout...
                 
             "OUR CULTURE IS ERECT NOW THAT WE'VE TWISTED"

    ...France is in the house on August 12th with Laurent Garnier!

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somebody said:

>get rid of all of the abusive behavior, non-rave users, and people who 
>had no business on the server in general. And no, that's not an elitist 
>sentiment, either...Vrave is supposed to be for the RAVE CULTURE, and 
>it's not a crappy chatline for whatever net.trash rolls in on it. If this 

ok if this were valid...WHO gets to decide who is a "rave" user, and who "has
business on the server"   I know I don't say much on the list, but I used vrave
occasionally...this sounds like typical raver-elitism at its best.

> It wasn't "ours" anymore.

sheeeeesh,  who is included in "ours"?  and who decides this?  I'll suuuuure
have to be real nice to them...as long as serves my purposes.  whatever...i
hope everyone doesn't agree with this move on vraves part, or of the comments
mentioned.

respect
pj

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From: Nicholas James Demeter <ndemet1@icarus.cc.uic.edu>
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com
Subject: New VRave Site...
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   It really really sucks... It's worst than the old site. What was the 
reason for that? Keep it underground? Ummm, that's not really a good way 
to be "friendly" to the crowds. I dunno... It's your site, I'm just a 
user you guys do what you want... Just verify me! 

____      
     _______________________________________________________________________
    /*     ---NICKO J. DEMETER---      **************  ----------------   */\
   /*   ~~"You Will Die Mortal..."~~     ************  | Game Tester  |  */\
  /*         **ndemet1@uic.edu**           **********  ---------------- */\
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                         * They say the user lives   *
                         * outside of the net, and   *
                         * inputs games for pleasure.*
                         * No one knows for sure...  *
                         * But I intend to find out. *
                         ***********REBOOT!*********** 


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 19 15:00:35 1995
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God I hoped I wouldn't see vrave crap on mw-raves.  Oh well.  

Personally, as the past vrave administrator, I take great offense
at anyone who just right out blasts me for my decision to shut it down.
Attempting to monitor 1300+ users can get a bit overwhelming.

V-rave had not been "ravey" for about, oh, 2 years.  The quality had
slowly gone down, to the point that it was embarrasing for those who
were involved with the project.  "Oh, I run vrave"  "I tried that place
once.  Hated it."  "oh..."  Here's a question: if you ran vrave, would you
put it on a resume for a job??

I had been mulling over what to do about the situation for two months, because in many people's observations, the number of sensible people were grossly outnumbered by the dorks, the guys who posed as women, the people looking for net.sex, etc.

I killed vrave under consultation with others due to this fact.  As a respite,
we put up another site in hopes that the members of the v-rave mailing list
would return.

If the current site turns into what vrave was, I will not hesitate to pull
the plug.  I'll give warning when I do, but there will be no turning back for
me.  I've got a lot of other things to do besides babysit a tumor.  The hope
was to keep it somewhat underground, a fun place to hang out for those who
enjoyed it.  Apparently that hope already has been dashed.  :|  I had hoped
to keep it as underground as physically possible.  I know this would be tough
on the internet, yes.  But word is already out, and I am deeply saddened at
this fact.

Last words on this.  I'd prefer to NOT talk about this on mw-raves, as it
doesn't apply.  Send me private email.


*sigh*

Andrew
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 19 17:18:36 1995
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From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith)
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Over the last few weeks, several different Detroit-based labels have
contacted me about doing a video or video-related projects for them.
I work for a large special effects house in LA, so I cannot take on
these jobs.  What I can do is recommend to them who might be able to
do the work.  We are looking for broadcast quality work of various
lengths.  MTV-esque videos, promotional videos, film & video performance
displays, and CD-Rom's are all possiblities being discussed.

The labels that are currently looking are +8, Planet E, and Transmat.
Please do not bombard them in regards to this, as that is specifically
what they wanted to avoid by having me screen talent.

If you are interested, please contact me and we'll talk.


-- 
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   person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts
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hello
saturday june 24, 4:00 till whenever
there will be a FREE net meet\meltdown pre-party, for the
chicago area or
anyone else that wants to come. Since Meltdown is going to
be in the
suburbs the pre-party will be also.
  There will be bad djs and good music.

     Biobooster-gabber+ whatever else catches her fancy
     DVI-downtown jungle vibe coming to the 708 area code
     Beastman-he has to put his 303 records someplace
     NewRiv-Mixes dropping in like bowling balls.YIKES!
directions
-290 to manhiem, take manhiem going south to 31st street,
31st to Forest road,  turn left on to forest road and follow 
it untill
you cannot go straight any longer,  look to your left and
the house
on the corner will be the where this "event" will take place 
520 forest
preserve dr,  nodrugs (including alcohol) or smoking, sorry.

Directions to Meltdown will be given out sometime after 6:00 



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 19 20:38:16 1995
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From: John sin Massive <jedi151@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "Mike J. Wasisco" <mikew@wwa.com>
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Ahh, dude, I could have told you clubs where lame in the first place, and 
you would have saved yourself the list.

Keep the sound underground, that is something that I have heard a couple 
times.

Clubs are just spoonfeed raves for those who are to interested in fashion 
and drugs, that it would just be a waste of their precious time to go to 
a map point.

Okay, enough stupid stuff.  Moral of this post:

Drum roll: CLubs are dumb.

John - massive penis magazine


On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Mike J. Wasisco wrote:

> Okay, I've had this burning in me for too long.
> 
> Saturday, June 10th I got together with some friends to head out to 
> Shelter, here in Chicago. 2 of these friends are "members" and have a card 
> that gets them in for free ahead of the rest of the line. 
> 
> Regardless of my being a hardcore clubber, I'm still one of the "regular" 
> people that hasn't been "blessed" with the little green membership card.
> My friends and I took seperate cars and I told them that I would meet 
> them inside.
> 
> This is what has me so pissed: I arrived at Shelter at 1AM and stood in 
> line until 2:15am. During this unbearable 1 hour and 15 minute wait 
> probably 150 people got in ahead of me. To put it lightly, I felt like a 
> F***ING idiot. I couldn't leave because I had my friend's mini-backpack 
> with me and had to give it to him inside.
> 
> I had to ask myself what was so unappealing about me that members and 
> other specially selected non-members (women, couples, etc.) could breeze 
> in right past me. When I finally got in, I asked what it takes to get a 
> membership. I was told that a phone call during the week would do the 
> trick. The following Monday, I called Barry, the owner, and left him a 
> friendly voice message and my phone number. My call was never returned.
> 
> In the end, this whole experience left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I 
> can't believe that I suffered this kind of humiliation only for the 
> "permission" to spend my money there.
> 
> My god, I could throw a fit and drop a million names, I could spam every 
> techno/rave/club/house e-list, chat channel, and web author. This is just 
> not my style.
> 
> Rather, I'll bring myself, my friends and my money to the myriad of 
> alternatives in chicago: Red Dog, Crobar, Raves, my own parties.
> 
> Shelter and I won't miss eachother.
> 
> mike w
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 19 20:48:18 1995
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Recently we tried to make a change to vrave in order to improve the quality
and decrease the noise.

The backlash was brutal and rough.  I got sick of hearing complains, basically.

hyperreal.com 7283 lives again.  For those who did use it, create an account
for yourself, and have fun.

If replying, don't crosspost.  I know that reaction on mw-raves has been
kinda brutal, and the new site got out on se-raves and ne-raves.

*sigh*



Andrew
--
   Andrew Bennett
   abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 19 20:49:21 1995
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Andrew, who the hell cares if Vrave wasn't "ravey", hell most raves these 
days are as "ravey" as they were 2 years ago!  The fact of the matter is 
that vrave was living up to what it was meant to be (in my opinion).  It 
was a place for people to communicate.  I really never had problems 
there, the only bad thing was the lag.  But through all the lag and 
lamers, I did meet some people that I have a little vrave bond with.  I 
hope you understand that if you take away vrave, you are taking a way a 
lot of friendships that are, or could be.  Not that it is YOUR fault.  
But as steven J once said, "Everything Evolves"  You can't expect 
something to stay on the same initial course that it was intended.  It 
will go, and figure out its own path.  I guess that is enough from me.  
But with out Vrave, this whole netraver thing ain't what it use to be.

Threat!
------
If Vrave doesn't exist, all those who are net raves (that used vrave) 
will not be net ravers anymore.  We will be computer geeks with nothing 
better to do then talk to ourselves.  People will think we are on drugs 
or something.

Later
John Da' massive magazine moma

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Vrave lives, life goes on...


For some of us.


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 20 03:55:53 1995
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welp i wuz s'posed 2 move the rest of my stuff 2 my new place
this past weekend, but what did i end up doing -- partying!

unfortunately i wuz only able to hit 2 of the 3 parties that
went on this past saturday in ohio. here's how they went..

DEEP RECORD'S FIRST ANNIVERSARY PARTY - Geneva, OH
-------------------------------------

due 2 unexpected delays we didn't get 2 the party 'til 5pm
when the party started @ noon. hopefully all the kids from
PA who got direx from me got there ok. i think the direx
jenna from philly posted were probably easier 2 follow.
BTW cliff sed 'hey', jenna.

pity i didn't get there sooner cuz i missed just about all
the headlining dj's including titonton who s'posedly kicked
the party off w/ a phat jungle set. maybe russ or someone
who got their earlier can do an earlier review of the party.
BTW thanx 4 introducing me 2 dawn & stephanie, russ. it wuz
phun playin 'follow the leader' in the woods.

since the party wuz held in broad day light the vibe wuz
definitely different. lights & lasers were replaced by
sunshine & grass (which def wasn't the best surface 2
dance on). alot of kids were sitting on blankets w/ their
picnic baskets. there were even kids throwing frisbees,
playing tag, tug-o-war, & even swimming. it was a true
outdoor party.

most of the kids were from cleveland & geneva. but i wuz
surprised 2 catch some of the pittsburgh posse there 
including: rick worth aka stickman of stickman productions,
x-on, natalie horne, even the infamous joe lesesne wuz
there. BTW joe what waz the name of that rad chick u 
introduced me 2 after the interview? got 2 get the names
right 4 the group picture.

since we got there so late, i only caught a few dj's. 1st
dj i caught wuz kurt a local dj from geneva. kurt is a 
dancer turned dj. so the traxx he spun were good 2 dance
2 w/ alot of baltimore flavor 2 it. sleepy c had a phat
funk / acid / trance / trip hop set as usual. but again
the stand out local wuz gank of spawntaneous lotsa groovin
detroit style acid trance. shortly after his set they had
2 turn the dj booth & speakers around the opposite direx
due 2 noise complaints. alex aka tic tac of spawntaneous
came on w/ a nice jungle set & of course joe was on the
dance floor bouncing away. unfortunately i think joe was
the only kid on the dance floor. sorry joe, toldjah, ohio
kids just aren't big on jungle yet. by the time dj nomad
of genex came on it was already dark out & a bonfire waas
started. dj nomad's set had alot of old skool techno mixed
in w/ some dancer friendly house tunes - made me dance 
(actually it's also cuz i like dancin in the dark better).

it wuz 10pm & we had 2 go cuz we had 2 drop off stevie
(a female friend of mine) b4 we headed down 2 columbus
for...   


SOURCE - Columbus, OH
------

well we didn't get there 'til 3am - late as usual. yep 
it was outdoors also. personally i'm gettin kinda sick
of outdoor partys. mosquito bites & dancin on wet uneven
grass just plain sux. not 2 mention u need a flashlight
just 2 see anywhere or anyone 4 that matter. but i guess
it wuz columbus's 1st outdoor party. atleast the light
show was pretty phenominal & brought some light 2 the 
party. actually there wuz one more source of light - there
was a big bonfire in the back.     

a few kids were playing in the fields & exploring the 
woods. but 4 the most part kids were dancing. those kids
from columbus sure can dance! i spent most of the night
watching kids dance than actually dancing.

well ed pretty much described the music 2 the T. so
i guess i'll just have 2 talk about my 2nd love 4 partys
...the people. actually i spent some time talkin w/ ed.
1st off i was a bit surprised when i found out that i
was older than ed! man do i feel old now! we had a 
big talk about the state of the scene & exchanged
philosophies. soon brian of the sugarkids jumped into
the conversation. he had brought his older sister 2
the party (of course i was older than her 2). it was 
her 1st party & she was really having a good time
eventhough she was more familiar w/ the NY club scene.
her main description of the difference: less attitude.
i think the three of us r going 2 b making a big road
trip 2 the west coast this summer 2 visit his parents
in seattle & my parent in fresno. anyone else interested?

all in all SOURCE was a pretty good party. highlight
was trevor's house set as the sun came up & u could 
actually see all the kewl dancers still dancin away
- very reminiscent of EMERALD FOREST. low point was
that kid freakin out on acid & his friends having 2
hold him down on the picnic table. when will kids learn?

apparently the party kept on past noon @ the park &
was later moved 2 yoshi's apartment. but by then we
were already crashed out @ my friend jenn's apt.  

props go out 2 rob, stewart, shannon, amy, & andy 4 a
very pleasant party.


--
________________ _______  __ _____ _______  ___ ___ ____________      
stevie t        /  ___  \|  |     /   ____|/   v   \   
syt@po.cwru.edu|   _____/|  |____ |  |    |         |
216.556.1485___|__|______\_______||__|____|__|\_/|__|___________

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mike w:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Saturday, June 10th I got together with some friends to head out to
Shelter, here in Chicago. 2 of these friends are "members" and have a card
that gets them in for free ahead of the rest of the line.

In the end, this whole experience left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I
can't believe that I suffered this kind of humiliation only for the
"permission" to spend my money there.

Rather, I'll bring myself, my friends and my money to the myriad of
alternatives in chicago: Red Dog, Crobar, Raves, my own parties.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm sorry that happened. Shelter has always been like this. So is KaBoom, and
especially Crobar. I've won free parties at Crobar and they still
pulled that "sorry, you can't come in" shit. The only way around
it is to get there early. If you have to wait more than a couple
of minutes, tell the bouncer to go fuck himself and take your money
elsewhere. The only reason they treat their customers like shit is
because people let them.

Tino

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>>This is what has me so pissed: I arrived at Shelter at 1AM and stood in 
>>line until 2:15am. During this unbearable 1 hour and 15 minute wait 
>>probably 150 people got in ahead of me. To put it lightly, I felt like a 
>>F***ING idiot. 
>
>Hmm...This sounds all too familiar.  Not my own personal experience since I
am FEMALE...like it should even matter, but it does....but some male friends
of mine were not let in for about an hour simply b/c they had no girls with
them.  Instead a bunch of other girls and couples were let in before them.
So my friends eventually just left.  What is up with Shelter anyway?  When I
went with some friends the bouncer wasnt' giong to let one of my friends in
cuz he was weraing airwalks and they had a fucking dress code...no gym shoes
allowed.  HUH???  but they let all those other horridly dressed folks in???
It is beyond my comprehension.  And this past weekend I let myself be
persuaded to go to Crobar and they were only letting couples in.  NOw what
is up with this little conditions???  HOnestly.  My friends and I got in
fine even tho it was me and two guys but still...why do we put up with such
shit??  Ok...enough grumbling. :)Anyone know of any clubs where there is no
MEAT-MARKET atmosphere and where thye dont slap you with such dress codes
and shit???  please let me know cuz raves are all that but one needs to take
a break from them once in a while. :)  
>
>Lucy
>


   


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From: loose@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Lucia H. Jeong)
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YA KNOW...

I think a lot of people have been bitching and crying and whining about
vrave a tad bit too much.  OK..so it got moved...SO WHAT???  Most people
knew where the new location was right away and for those of you who didn't
know where it was probably would've found out soon enough.  I mean Andrew
was just trying to do something which he thought would benefit the "scene"
(geesh i hate that word) all you guys can do is bitch bitch bitch.  well GET
OVER IT.  If this is any inconvenience to ANYONE it's Andrew.  He's the one
who had the move it and deal with all yer bitching.  GEESH...give the guy a
break.  Anyway...I'm sure all you guys are happy now since 7283 is back up.
So please lets just drop it and move on....

Lucy


   


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ok, clubs are dumb. BUT,
whoever made it to the Shelter last thursday to see Carl Craig or to the Red
Dog the monday before that to see Derrick Carter might have another opinion,
since both night were IMHO pretty underground, full of fog and strobes,
un-yuppish, had a great vibe, and at least you didn't have to deal with a
couple of hundred vicks-vapporub-snorting little pricks. Also, both of these
events had passes available to get in for free before 11 or 11:30pm, so
THERE WAS A WAY to get in free with no line.
Clubs suck, it's a given, especially if you persist in trying them on
week-ends. But every once in a while you can find some kick-ass nights in
there. I'd rather see Carl Craig for free at the Shelter than for $15 at the
Congress Theater. Of course, nothing beats a good house party, but because
of the "rave" promoters fuck-ups in Chicago even smaller house parties get
busted as "raves" (ie the GoodFoot). And although the rave promoters can
afford to move ALL their events to the suburbs since that's where 90% of
their "customers" come from, house parties thrower can't and won't. So, it
will be back to the clubs until things calm down I guess...

bambi
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Just thought i'd spew a bit more about the relationship between graf and 
techno. Seems to me there is a definate link, at least with the 
fascination with technology apparent in the styles in graf from the mid 
to late 80's. Letter styles called "computer rock", "fills" or 
color-combinations called "nuclear", and especially the style of 
abstracts pioneered by FUTURA 2000. Maybe jungle will bring it all 
together, huh? Here's hoping...
okay, this isn't the graf list, i'll let it drop... ;)

ted

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well having been intimately involved with the first IO <we did the 
flyer as well as dealing with on-site chaos>there are a few things I'd 
like to add. I don't think the size of the sound system had anything to 
do with the problems of IO. in fact if i remember correctly lots of stuff 
couldn't even be plugged in because of generators.. Having seen the 
trouble last time first hand i've tried to contact JJ but as of yet have 
had no response. Which seems kinda funny cause I see him face-to-face 
every few days.. Who are these 28 promoters? Ever heard the one about too 
many chiefs? or cooks? Supposedly there are big,secret meetings taking 
place to plot this thing, but I have no idea who or what is involved. i 
do know that secret meetings are what caused a lot of the problems last 
year, in other words noone knowing what the hell was going on because 
only one person had the vital information necessary to make crucial 
decisions.. Something like this is simply to big of a job for one person..

As for me I offered my assistance months ago but didn't hear anything, 
which is absolutely fine with me, I'll be doing my own thing along the 
lines of "vibe enhancement" or whatever.. Like a pirate radio station 
broadcasting on-site, an ambient sound system, masses of free shit to 
give away... I suppose at this point there's really not a lot I could 
contribute to the planning sessions, but I know I'm coming prepared. So 
if we end up driving all over the countryside, rest assured that station 
KIND will be broadcasting...


ted


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Assuming this is not a joke...

Last time I was in chicago there seemed to be quite an abundance of 
thrift stores and the like.


ted


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To: "Lucia H. Jeong" <loose@merle.acns.nwu.edu>, mw-raves@HYPERREAL.COM
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On Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:24:47 -0500 you said:
>
>>>This is what has me so pissed: I arrived at Shelter at 1AM and stood in
>>>line until 2:15am. During this unbearable 1 hour and 15 minute wait
>>>probably 150 people got in ahead of me. To put it lightly, I felt like a
>>>F***ING idiot.
>>
>>Hmm...This sounds all too familiar.  Not my own personal experience since I
>am FEMALE...like it should even matter, but it does....but some male friends
>of mine were not let in for about an hour simply b/c they had no girls with
>them.  Instead a bunch of other girls and couples were let in before them.
>So my friends eventually just left.  What is up with Shelter anyway?  When I
>went with some friends the bouncer wasnt' giong to let one of my friends in
>cuz he was weraing airwalks and they had a fucking dress code...no gym shoes
>allowed.  HUH???  but they let all those other horridly dressed folks in???

Ya, I experienced this a couple of Thursdays ago when I went to see Bambi and
Derrick Carter.  I had on Pumas and the bouncer gave me a bit of attitude
about it but I still got in.  IMHO, Shelter, Crobar(haven't been there in
a long time), Kaboom(even longer), etc. all suck musically and people wise.
Occasionally they have some decent talent DJwise but most of the regulars
give you the same blah house.

>It is beyond my comprehension.  And this past weekend I let myself be
>persuaded to go to Crobar and they were only letting couples in.  NOw what
>is up with this little conditions???  HOnestly.  My friends and I got in
>fine even tho it was me and two guys but still...why do we put up with such
>shit??  Ok...enough grumbling. :)Anyone know of any clubs where there is no
>MEAT-MARKET atmosphere and where thye dont slap you with such dress codes
>and shit???  please let me know cuz raves are all that but one needs to take
>a break from them once in a while. :)

My only suggestion is don't do clubs on Friday or Saturday.  Non weekend
nights tend to be better.

>>
>>Lucy
>>
>
>
>
>

> Ethan Haslett          < Plan for today * Move to Amherst            *>
< U37460@UICVM.UIC.EDU   > Tunes I've bought lately:                    <
> ehaslett@eecs.uic.edu  < Wink - "Higher State of Consciousness"       >
< ethan@iris.eecs.uic.edu> Hardfloor - "Mahogany Roots"                 <
> on vrave: ocean        < Slam - "Snapshots"                           >

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WMSE Latenite Beet Generation Presents

LAST MINUTE

July 1, 1995 7:30pm- 2:30am Milwaukee, City

Since Rave was introduced to Milwaukee three years ago at "Kool Rave" and 
"E & E", Our scene has endured many hardships and setbacks.  Throughout 
it all we've stuck together, stood tall, and invited a new generation of 
ravers to join us.  On July 1st, 1995 we invite you to come with us as we 
dance into our fourth year of Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect.

Josh Werner  <--->  Toby Tyler
   Jedidiah  <--->  Wickett
       D.on  <--->  Synergy

This Event benefits WMSE radio and a local food pantry.  $10 or $7 w/ non 
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hey everyone.  my time in the midwest is short.  in less than 3 weeks i 
will no longer be a cheesehead but a california girl.  i will save my 
cheesy good bye for later cuz right now i am in search of a ride to 
dayton for fantastic voyage.  i decided to bag family affair cuz i have 
too much to do and i really want to go to my last milwaukee party that 
weekend.  so i hope those of you i said i would meet up with at FA will 
be in dayton as well so i can say good bye.  but i gotta find a ride 
first.  anyone going to dayton and not to FA from milwaukee that can 
squeeze me in?  i would appreciate it soooooooo much!  thanks guys!

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I for got it starts at 2pm-9pm and if anyone is coming form the lexington 
area and can give ted (abductee) a ride i will apperciate it....
Email me if u need directions

					Dinka tha Stinka
					Mark Dienger
					gsammd@noctrl.edu




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Okay, so maybe I "generalized" clubs a little to much, but it is just 
the "snorting, vick vapporub Pricks" that make clubs stupid.  They 
attract good Dj's and all, but the whole concept of a club makes me 
kringe.  I don't know how it is in Chicago, but I have been to Bliss, 
Tunnel, and the Limelight, and the whole thing just reeked of filth and 
fucking stupidty.  it is a Rave, just add exstacy and Meth.   Anyways, my 
point is er my opinion is that I would choose a shitty dirty warehouse 
with 200 people over a club with Richie Hawtin, Carl Craig and who ever 
is getting payed a zillion dollars any day.

John Massive.

I am not saying the Richie and Carl are bad.. It is all about the vibe.


On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Nicolas Bamberski wrote:

> ok, clubs are dumb. BUT,
> whoever made it to the Shelter last thursday to see Carl Craig or to the Red
> Dog the monday before that to see Derrick Carter might have another opinion,
> since both night were IMHO pretty underground, full of fog and strobes,
> un-yuppish, had a great vibe, and at least you didn't have to deal with a
> couple of hundred vicks-vapporub-snorting little pricks. Also, both of these
> events had passes available to get in for free before 11 or 11:30pm, so
> THERE WAS A WAY to get in free with no line.
> Clubs suck, it's a given, especially if you persist in trying them on
> week-ends. But every once in a while you can find some kick-ass nights in
> there. I'd rather see Carl Craig for free at the Shelter than for $15 at the
> Congress Theater. Of course, nothing beats a good house party, but because
> of the "rave" promoters fuck-ups in Chicago even smaller house parties get
> busted as "raves" (ie the GoodFoot). And although the rave promoters can
> afford to move ALL their events to the suburbs since that's where 90% of
> their "customers" come from, house parties thrower can't and won't. So, it
> will be back to the clubs until things calm down I guess...
> 
> bambi
> nib@dlogics.com
> 
> 

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I got nothing with Graf, I love the stuff.  But the only thing that gets 
nasty is when graf artists go a little overboard and tag up bathrooms at 
parties, that sometimes kills any chance with ever having another party 
there again.  So if you a tagger or graf artist, display yer work 
somewhere else, I am sure as hell not going to appreciate it as much when 
I am taking a shit in the bathroom as I would if I were walking down the 
street and see a nice piece on a little hidden wall.  



On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Lee Harvey Bobbitt wrote:

> 
> Just thought i'd spew a bit more about the relationship between graf and 
> techno. Seems to me there is a definate link, at least with the 
> fascination with technology apparent in the styles in graf from the mid 
> to late 80's. Letter styles called "computer rock", "fills" or 
> color-combinations called "nuclear", and especially the style of 
> abstracts pioneered by FUTURA 2000. Maybe jungle will bring it all 
> together, huh? Here's hoping...
> okay, this isn't the graf list, i'll let it drop... ;)
> 
> ted
> 

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Well someone earlier was questioning about IO2.  I got some answers for 
you but I don't have many because I only know so much about it.

IO2 is in the stages of being thrown.  It is scheduled for the last 
weekend in August.  It looks as though it may be in Ohio or Indiana.  
There are a lot of promoters involved.  We are all donating something.  
Massive is donating a free full page advertisement.  Others are donating 
money/sound ect...  The reason for having so many promoters involved is 
to: 1) not have any other parties thrown in the midwest that weekend, 2) 
Unify the scene somewhat I guess heehe, 3) more the merrier.  Also each 
promoter is allowed to bring in the DJ of their choice.

Now you asked, Where was this big meeting.  Well, I was informed of one 
at Even Further, but I fell asleep and missed it, I believe Matt 
(massive) made it and discuseed it over.

It is in the works, and just very well may happen.

John - Massive ass kisser.

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Well....I will have to disagree with my esteemed colleague John (sorry 
man).  House music started in clubs...is currently played in clubs...and 
will be played in clubs long after rave parties die out.  They key is to 
be selective...I often have alot more fun at the Cardinal Bar in Madison 
than I would at any "underground" dittie.  I can go there and know it's 
not gonna be shut down...i will be sure to hear good music all 
night...drink responsibly...and enjoy the company of a broad 
cross-section of people rather than just "ravers."  The nice part about 
clubs is that the majority of those who go to them don't eat, sleep, and 
breathe clubs (unlike alot of ravers i know who won't discuss anything 
apart from which party they went to last weekend and which they'll be 
attending soon).  Support the clubs which you have a good time at...and 
not the one's which disappoint you...same with rave promoters.  

just a thought...

bradsynergyquadrasonicmassive  

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Does anyone have any idea how meltdown is going to be a 2 day thing?  is it
both nights or does it continue thru the day, is it one price for both or
each night separate???  Just curious.  I haven't called the v-mail...maybe
that would be a good idea..duh.  well any info would be much appreciated.
thanks in advance. :)

Loosy


   


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Meltdown starts at one venue at 9 pm closes at 7 am moves to a forest preserve at 7 am and goes on till sunset
call 312 509 6453
312 604 1978

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I'm looking for someone to take over the role of maintaining/doing the
mw raves calendar.  Anyone who might be interested please email me.  I'm
getting a bit tired waiting for Craig (archon) to come back.

I'd also like to pick the best person for the job.  Ideally, the best
candidate will have usenet access and be able to make 1 large calendar,
and then split it up for the mw-raves-calendar email list.  Some Unix
experience (ftp) would be beneficial, too.

Basically, the job entails the following tasks:

     - search alt.rave periodically for flyers
     - save flyers posted to mw-raves
     - create one large calendar file
     - upload large file to hyperreal for web/gopher access
     - post large calendar to alt.rave
     - create two files of approximately equal length, and mail these
       to the calendar list.  (a lot of hosts don't like email messages to
       be over a certain size, which usually is around 40k)
     - do most of the work on Wednesday nite (gives people enough time to
       plan for the upcoming weekend)


Anyone who would like to help, let me know.  Thanks.



Andrew
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    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: sxb40@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Bevilacqua)
    To: syt@po.cwru.edu
    Subject: Re: directions 2 deep records free anniversary party
    Date: Tue, 20 Jun

    
    Stevie
    If delierum is going to vend they have to get in
    contact with me.
    Please pass on the info.
    Thanks!!
    Steve
    
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on 6/20 lee harvey sed:
===================================================================
Just thought i'd spew a bit more about the relationship between graf and 
techno. Seems to me there is a definate link, at least with the 
fascination with technology apparent in the styles in graf from the mid 
to late 80's. Letter styles called "computer rock", "fills" or 
color-combinations called "nuclear", and especially the style of 
abstracts pioneered by FUTURA 2000. Maybe jungle will bring it all 
together, huh? Here's hoping...
okay, this isn't the graf list, i'll let it drop... ;)

ted
===================================================================

man i hope u went 2 north coast bomb here in cleveland a couple
weeks ago. there wuz graffers from cleveland, columbus, nyc, pitts,
philly, baltimore, & dc bombin the whole night. i've got color
panorama pics of the work 2...u'll see'em in the upcoming PLRM.
BTW just took one of the members of the scribe tribe (cleveland)
2 columbus 4 SOURCE. she's probably one of the most talented 
female graffers i've ever seen.

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 20 22:04:43 1995
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youz,
cant believe i havent heard mention of this on this lists (maybe i 
missed it) but the legendary detroit dj the Electrifyin' MOJO is
on WGPR-FM 107.5 weekdays from 7pm-1am.  he's been playing a great
mix lately (as usual) tho not very experimental. He also
did a live interview w/ juan atkins a few weeks ago. 
also, check out CJAM 89.9 FM outta windsor...theres this chick on 
from 12am till i dont know when but she plays
some *very high quality* indi to idm to experimental music...
show is very overproduced (in classic CBC/BBC style)
but the music selection *is* 
quite good i admit. WDET has been quite wack lately, w/ the exception
of THE FAMOUS COACHMAN gospel show!!!! jesus, this guy is a 
wonderful lunatic of a dj(saturday nights...).  also, "Destination OUT" on 
det on sunday evenings is a pretty good source of '70's experimental 
"out" jazz.  

INSIDER RUMOR: 89X to switch to ALL ELECTRONIC DANCE FORMAT????
keep a lookout! (now that the "target audience" (i.e. white kids),
are listening more and more to techno etc, they suddenly have a 
change of heart. compare this to 96.3 WHWT changeover a few months
ago from a "black" station (w/ claude young on tables) to an
"alternative" station, to , yes, you guessed it, get that proper
target audience once again THE WHITE KIDS. jesus commercial radio
is sick. SICK

OK: look out for the emergence of a TRUE FREEFORM PUBLIC RADIO 
station to hit the air mid july! its WXOU-FM 88.3 off the campus
of oakland university, it is independant (no music programming, 
totally up the dj's...) and most of all NO NPR!!!! this station
should reach to at least royal oak! i'll be doing a show on it,
as well as on WCBN-FM in ann arbor (friday nights, 8-10pm)

and hey, dont forget the best fucking techno/house/ambient
show in the midwest! CRUSH COLLISION on WCBN-FM 88.3 Radio
free ann arbor. Thursdays 10-1am.  FREQUENT guest dj's have
included:
dan bell (dbx), eric haupt, chuck hampton, rich hawtin, 
BASIC CHANNEL!, drexciya, d. wynn, rob hood, carl craig,
sneaky pete boufford, and everybody else thats made or is
making an impact.   

mojo fact: he got his radio start at my station, WCBN-fm in ann
arbor!! 

jason 

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anyone who wants "ele2," the second ele mental newsletter, email me as 
soon as you can.

i will send it to you for free.  enclosed will be a small booklet, and a 
flier for our jun 30th event.

also, i second my invitation to everyone to come to columbus to 
experiece our event, which is the first in a whole weekend of worthwhile 
events here in ohio.

our event will be cheap, less than $10, and will feature SIX live acts 
including daccrowell, not to mention paul johnson and dan bell who will be 
meeting for the first time.

plenty of crash space will be available as well.

email me for more info.
++
e d

e l e  m e n t a l  advisor to the stars

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need a mw-rave channel on irc...


grandma



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Hmm, yeh I've run into this too. I started doing graf before I went to 
raves so its kinda funny being dissed because of it. On the other, it 
kinda sucks, too. I totally understand the animosity, though. I can't 
tell you how many times some clooless twit in "phat <tm> pants" and a 
shirt with graf-style characters on it <I'm sorry but there is *no such 
thing* as a "graffiti t-shirt, flyer, etc."> tell me how much they hate 
"rap" and all that bullshit... I have to agree that lots of ravers don't 
respect hip-hop culture even though %90 of the "fashion" and a good deal 
of the beats originated there. this came to a head when the other day I 
had to explain to someone who Afrikaa Bambaata is... This kid was like 
"Oh, yeh, Planet Rock, that song terry spins.." Umm, yehhh, whateva.. 
That song soul sonic force WROTE... But this leads me off on a tangent 
about giving credit where its due and what the fuck is up with DJ's being 
all secretive about what a song is, its like why the fuk do you think you 
got a promo of it in the first place, fool? so you could hide who the 
artist is and make sure noone else buys it? Guess again.. but thats a tirade 
for another story..


BTW, did anyone else notice that Carl Craig is performing *LIVE* at 
family Affair? "Doctor, we need more plasma, maybe some plasma would help..."

awshit...

ted

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uh....i'm new to the list, so first of all, hi. secondly, i go to a
residential skool near chicago, but now i'm home for the summer. so i wanted
to know if i can find raves in illinois closer to springfield than chicago or
st. louis. i realize that st. louis isn't that far away, but.....

eric
ps-- i heard some song, but don't know what it's called. my friend said it
was called "mighty buttfuck", or "magnificent buttfuck", or something like
that. know what it is? who it's by?

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At 12:58 AM 6/21/95, Jason (pimp, All-World division) wrote:

>also, check out CJAM 89.9 FM outta windsor...theres this chick on
>from 12am till i dont know when but she plays
>some *very high quality* indi to idm to experimental music...
>show is very overproduced (in classic CBC/BBC style)
>but the music selection *is* quite good i admit.

I second the CBC late-night endorsement -- any US city close to the
Canadian border (Detroit, Seattle, Buffalo, etc.) probably has an
outlet they can pick up.  The "Brave new Waves" show is the
one to listen to.  One night I fell asleep with the radio
on and woke up to this completely ridiculous 30-minute German
avant-bizarre piece, which was immediately followed by some
classic Kraftwerk and Gavin Bryars.  Nice.

>OK: look out for the emergence of a TRUE FREEFORM PUBLIC RADIO
>station to hit the air mid july! its WXOU-FM 88.3 off the campus
>of oakland university, it is independant (no music programming,
>totally up the dj's...)

Cool. :)

dave walker, detroit art services                             _
marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com                          born freeke

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In a technologically-induced stupor, John sin Massive flatly stated...
[...]
::fucking stupidty.  it is a Rave, just add exstacy and Meth.   Anyways, my 
::point is er my opinion is that I would choose a shitty dirty warehouse 
::with 200 people over a club with Richie Hawtin, Carl Craig and who ever 
::is getting payed a zillion dollars any day.

Umm, I don't know if you've noticed but there's an awful lot of ecstacy and
meth users at raves, as well.  The distinction I see in a club is that there
are a lot more people from the mainstream of things re: dance, music, etc.
which contributes to the lack of vibe, IMHO.

- stevenJ


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In a technologically-induced stupor, Bradley John Owen flatly stated...
[...]
::attending soon).  Support the clubs which you have a good time at...and 
::not the one's which disappoint you...same with rave promoters.  

Now, there's a thought, especially that last part.

::just a thought...

Oh, you said that already.   ;-)



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In a technologically-induced stupor, eluna flatly stated...
::
::e l e  m e n t a l  advisor to the stars

OOh.  So *you* are the guy supplying us with all those aliens and their
respective technologies.


trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
					     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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If you are in or around Minneapolis tomorrow (thurs)night check out the 
other 1/2 of fEEd (dj slip aka troy geary) doing a live cameo at First Ave's 
Depth Probe.............


Rob 

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With vrave being moved back to da undaground, I've been looking for various
things to fill in my addiction.

I found something that's the complete bomb.  Try http://www.kaworlds.com -
and download their 3D chat software (Windows only, mac coming soon).  You
basically end up picking out an avatar to represent yourself and then you
start cruising through this 3D space, ala DOOM, and find other people to
chat with.  Suffice to say it's phat as hell.

earache


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EARache sounds good.  Im going to download it right away.  Hope to 
see you guys there.



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Okay, I got this flier in St.louis for Close Encounters on July 7, 1995 
in Madison WI.  Looks like a bitchin' line up!  Damon Wild is the 
motherfuckin shit!  But my question is concerning one of the vendors 
listed...
"Girlythings" by Astrodiva
What are the "Girlythings" advertised here?  I am sure some sick minded 
folks on the list could tell me, so please do...

DJ Robitie
c546488@cclabs.missouri.edu

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they sell little girl size t-shirts and candy and silly toys...

/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/
Ellen Steuer aka /\/\s. \/\/iggles			Anonymous
ellen@cyborganic.com					414.256.1343
http://www.cyborganic.com/People/ellen/

		***zine, cute girlz, good conversation***
/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/

On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, Daniel Smith wrote:

> Okay, I got this flier in St.louis for Close Encounters on July 7, 1995 
> in Madison WI.  Looks like a bitchin' line up!  Damon Wild is the 
> motherfuckin shit!  But my question is concerning one of the vendors 
> listed...
> "Girlythings" by Astrodiva
> What are the "Girlythings" advertised here?  I am sure some sick minded 
> folks on the list could tell me, so please do...
> 
> DJ Robitie
> c546488@cclabs.missouri.edu
> 

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hey kidz!

once again it is time for a brand new anonymous!   wooowooo!  issue six 
is currently in the works and will be out on july 1 at family affair in 
OH and last minute in milwaukee.  since we are traveling zines are bound 
to reach the entire midwest!:)  we will make at least 500 copies... 
hopefully more depending on how many ads we sell.  so if you would like 
to put an ad in our zine for an upcoming party, smart drinks, lights, 
your new mixtape...anything at all please let us know asap either via 
email or leave a message on our voice mail 414.256.1343 so we can discuss 
our very cheap ad rates.  thank you very much!  oh yeah, i will even be 
taking a bunch with me to sf...

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Ellen Steuer aka /\/\s. \/\/iggles			Anonymous
ellen@cyborganic.com					414.256.1343
http://www.cyborganic.com/People/ellen/

		***zine, cute girlz, good conversation***
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Let me just say that the new remix of 777's "Alpha Wave" by the 
Plastikman himself is un-fucking-believable.  I think only 50 white 
labels are in circulation right now but it'll be out in a couple weeks.  
Get your hands on this record.

Cheers,
Bradsynergyquadrasonicmassive

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Ok here it is,

	John Aquaviva and Derick Carter both spun this one song
that I cant stop thining about.  It starts with a kind of singing
that is cross between a tribal/folk style.  I couldn't understand
shat was being said.  anyway.. i does this for a little bit and then 
it has some sort of ambient overlay and a moderate techno beat to it.
John spun this at Waters for Life and at Beat non Stop; and Carter
used it to end his set (or close to it).  I was wondering if any of 
knowledgable cats out there could tell me what this could possibly be.

tanx

mint

________________________________________________________________________

		Please be patient, Ill get around to making one.
________________________________________________________________________
Scott Bartlett		meheme00@mik.uky.edu		Lexington, KY


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From: sound <sound@grfn.ORG>
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smack-up,
check it out. i just picked up Nigel Richard's 
"Philadelphia Acid Experiments" on 611 Records
outta philly (josh winks record store). i got
it at recordtime through seventh city dist. 
(dan bells company) and man, this is the 
BEST acid EP i've heard all year! (thanks to
matt "the mack" macqueen for the tip)
and im posting it to 313 cause detroit hasnt
put out much good acid in a long time+ dan 
bell distributes it. so there.  

its, believe it or not, UNIQUE and INNOVATIVE
acid techno/house! the 303 lines are kept very short
and sweet, to the point. (learn to CONTROL your
303!!!) and theres this sound in one track that
sounds like a sythesized voice of an alien who can
only speak in blips and bleaps who's trying to seduce
you to fuck you! very sexy! the other track is funksexy
too.  but above all, its UNIQUE ACID MUSIC!! DO YOU
KNOW HOW RARE THAT IS?? (allright, ill calm down now.)
and, both tracks are *funky* as shit, which is soooo rare.

Its been about 8 months since i've purchased an acid track,
jason  

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	G  A  I  A     P  R  O  J  E  C  T
	
		FRIDAY AUGUST 11TH 1995

			INDIANAPOLIS **  INDIANA

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				     TROLL-CINCY

	INFO LINES: LOVE MATRIX-317.767.5762
		    DIONYSOS-317.767.4913
	

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From: mike wong <catarrh@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: where can i find acid?
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a friend of mine asked for rave info, i told him to see 
the calendar, and he said he wanted acid and couldn't tell
which raves/djs/producers would likely have it. can 
anyone on where to find acid in chicago or detroit? i
looked in the mw-raves web site and efex and hyperactive
have (*acid*) after their names, but that's all i know.

		thanks...

                          o                  o           o
           o                 o           o
          o                  o   wong    o
                           o                 o           o
       o    mike     o          o  
   o                 o           o
                     o               o           o
                o            o           o


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From: mike wong <catarrh@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: oh i mean the music
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thanks to the people who are pointing me the right way. i
meant acid the music. how indiscreet and vague of me. oops.
but ya, any info on the djs who spin it...

                          o                  o           o
           o                 o           o
          o                  o   wong    o
                           o                 o           o
       o    mike     o          o  
   o                 o           o
                     o               o           o
                o            o           o


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From: Steve J White <aragorn@csd.uwm.edu>
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Since all the hooplah, things in the new and old vrave have gotten out of
hand re: broadcasting and such.  If you're looking for me online look in:

	spacebar.com 7227

C-ya...



trying to fly under society's radar			   steven j. white
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At 1:06 PM 6/22/95, mike wong wrote:

>thanks to the people who are pointing me the right way. i
>meant acid the music. how indiscreet and vague of me. oops.
>but ya, any info on the djs who spin it...

Hee hee.  Probably gave the "cops monitoring mw-raves" a big woody,
tho.  :)

dave walker, detroit art services                             _
marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com                          born freeke

<A HREF="http://www.msen.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>



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From: loose@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Lucia H. Jeong)
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Will the directions and other infor for family affair be posted on mw-raves?
Cuz if so then i wont bother calling.

Lucy


   


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Andrew send the calendar with the subject line of:

>Subj:  mw-raves Calendar 6.21.85 Part Two

Geeze!  Andrew, you are sooooo hardcore!  I didn't know raves existed back in
1985.  You've been in the scene longer than all of us!


Ha ha :P

Just Kiddin'-  We luv ya.
Kimm



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info

 ________________________________________________________________________ 
| Matt MacQueen                     | |        multimedia/WWW production |
|===================================| |==================================|
| macqueen@student.msu.edu          | |          human interface, CD-ROM |
|________________________________________________________________________|
  -8       -6      -4       -2       0       +2      +4       +6       +8



From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 22 13:48:47 1995
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>info
>
> ________________________________________________________________________ 
>| Matt MacQueen                     | |        multimedia/WWW production |
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>| macqueen@student.msu.edu          | |          human interface, CD-ROM |
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ummmmm........i don't get it.

----------------------------------------

rik bogusz

interactive personalities

iperson@mr.net
"no, it's not a ******* dating service!"





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	Thought you all might find this interesting . . .

	From Project X:

"	I regret to inform you that I'm writing this letter from jail. I'm sure
you all can safely assume the reason why I'm here (Drugs). Its been quite a 
devastating experience for me as I sit here awaiting my trial. I've been here
one long month, and I still find it had to believe that my so-called friends
set me up to save their asses. I have a little bit of advise for all you 
people out there: There are no friends in the drug biz. Keep it on a recrationallevel . . . 
	-Joel S.(Dj Merlin) St. Louis"
	
	He got busted for acid. 
	That's really a bummer. =(

	+) kiwi -

-- 
Stephen Roberts   | I find it insane that the American goverment considers it 
Purdue University | a basic human right for any lunatic to arm himself with a  
Philosopher       | 9mm, but an educated scholar cannot grow a beautiful plant.
Freak             | 		- In Defense of Cannabis Sativa

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 22 15:28:56 1995
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Maybe someone has some advice...

When buying equipment from someone (an individual, not a business)
via mail, does one usually ship the goods upon receipt of payment or
vice versa?  Does everyone just automatically trust each other?

I ask because I'm trying to get rid of a used 1200 in non-working
condition - I'm sick of dealing with it.  It's good for some parts,
or maybe someone with a lot of time on their hands could get it
working again. I'm located in Minneapolis.

rich.


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on 6/23 lucy sed:
=================================================================
Will the directions and other infor for family affair be posted on mw-raves?
Cuz if so then i wont bother calling.

Lucy
=================================================================

i'll call brian & prob post direx 1 / 2 days b4 the party.

BTW lookin forward 2 meetin u lucy since i missed u @ FLOW.

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hey kidz... i was sent this lil interview from this guy that is doing 
some type of online publication in the near future.  last weekend after 
20,000 leauges we met him for pancakes and a live interview.  he has 
never been to a party himself but seems more than curious (personally i 
don't understand why he doesn't just GO to a party).  anyway, the first 
issue of his we zine thing is focusing on raves.  if you want to answer 
any of these questions feel free.  send replies to him though please.  
thanks!

/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/
Ellen Steuer aka /\/\s. \/\/iggles			Anonymous
ellen@cyborganic.com					414.256.1343
http://www.cyborganic.com/People/ellen/

		***zine, cute girlz, good conversation***
/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 23:11:24 CDT
From: Jim NORTON <Jim.Norton@ccmail.adp.wisc.edu>
To: julia@ramona.cyborganic.com, ellen@ramona.cyborganic.com
Subject: online interview

Hey again.   Just a few email questions for ya... Answer them at your leisure!  
We won't be going to (digital) press for another few weeks, so anytime before
mid-July should be okay.   Basic guidelines:

1) If you know anyone else who is involved with the scene, has email and some
free time, and has interesting perspectives, forward these questions to 'em and
have them send the replies back to me.

2) Don't feel limited by the questions I've sent.  If you want to just keep
typing, go crazy; the more text we get from the interviews we do, the more
quotes and ideas we have when assembling the finished piece.

3) If you don't feel like answering a question, just don't.   Whatever you feel
inspired to answer is cool.

4) If you want to say something anonymously, just mention that you'd like a
certain answer (or part of an answer) off 
the record, and your name will not be mentioned along with the quote.

Okay, here we go.

What person, event or combination got you involved with the scene to begin with?
 How old were you?   Look back at your first impression of the scene, compared
with how you feel about "rave" now... What's evolved?

What's the number one thing you would like the general public to know about the
scene that you think people don't understand right now?

What's your favorite production company?  What do they do so well?

What production company (if any) do you HATE?  Why?

Based on your impressions, describe the "average" raver.
(Age/sex/race/personality)....    

What's the best thing about going to parties?

Have you ever felt discriminated against or looked down upon because of your
involvement in the scene by people outside of the scene?   

Do you think women are ever just "sex objects" within the scene?  If so, is that
even a problem?

How is the role of the average male within the scene different from the average
female, or is there really no difference?

How long have you guys been doing your 'zine?   What kind of reaction have you
gotten?   If you could send a message to everyone within the scene, what would
you say?  

Does the scene ever seem racist/sexist/agist/elitist/whateverist?  Or is its
ideal of equality and love pretty well held up?

If you were writing this article, what things would be SURE to include in it?

Describe the most interesting person you've ever met within the scene.

What's the funniest thing that you've ever seen at a party?    How about the
freakiest/scariest?

In general, what kind of effects have drugs had on the scene?  How has their
impact evolved over time?  

What was the last really great party you went to?  Who threw it, where was it,
what made it so damn great?

What was the worst party you've been to?  What killed it?

Make editorial comments about: marijuana, 'shrooms,  LSD, heroin, crystal meth,
alcohol, caffiene, ciggarettes, anything else intoxicating I may have forgotten.

Give me the "History" of Rave, as you have heard it told, and you believe it to
have unfolded.   

Since you got involved with the scene, how has it changed?  Editorialize as much
as you want.

Are the Aliens good or bad?   If good, how can I contact some?  If bad, how do
you suggest humans stop them?

Talk about whatever you want here.   Get stuff of your chest, rant,
editorialize, answer questions we should've (but didn't) ask.  Write a poem.  

---Survey Concludes---


Thanks again for your all your help!  I'll let you guys know when this piece
gets finished and published.

By the way: if you've come up with any more names/numbers/email addresses/snail
mail addresses of more people we can talk to about this piece, please let me
know.... If you need to contact me for some reason, or mail me more neat 'zines,
I'm at:

James Norton
706 Copeland St.
Madison, WI
53711
jrnorton@students.wisc.edu
jim.norton@mail.admin.wisc.edu
608-233-1251

Thanks again.

Your servant,

Jim 

"...and the truth is we don't know anything."

-TMBG





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i've always loved electronic dance music since about middle school.
new order & depeche mode were my fav bands when i wuz 15/16. parents
moved 2 cali shortly after high school graduation. was introduced
2 the west coast underground scene. went 2 college @ cwru. was
introduced 2 the underground scene here pretty much by myself.
nobody even knew what a rave was back then ('89). became a college
radio dj in '91. tried throwing the 1st rave in ohio on 3/20/92.
it didn't happen. 3 months later one of the dj's who was s'posed
2 spin @ my party teamed up w/ a club dj 2 form tone deaf & color
blind productions. this dj duo (mike milly & rob sherwood) threw
the 1st official rave in ohio - tidal rave on 6/92. started up
an underground rave organization @ cwru - cwru rave team. interest
grew off campus & the name was changed to pretty little rave machine.
members graduated & moved on w/ their lives but i kept everybody
informed by printing a newsletter. soon the newsletter became a
zine - PLRM. i still do PLRM. it is still a small cleveland based
underground rave zine, but subscribers r from as far away as  
florida & ny.

raves have evolved in the sense that renegade parties r just
about impossible 2 pull off now. promotors have 2 make sure
they have all their permits or the party will get busted. as
4 de-evolution, the sense of plur (peace, love, unity, & respect)
has seemed 2 have died off. probably due 2 the new skool of
ravers more into it 4 the drugs rather than the music. but i
do believe the next wave will be a more drug educated, plur
educated skool of ravers. basically i believe the old skool
will teach the new skool what it's all about. barriers will
be dropped & the scene will evolve possibly becoming more
mainstream. but not too mainstream since underground was the reason
why it was all started.

the greatest misconception w/ ravers is that we are all drug
addicts. that is exactly how the media would like 2 portray
us. that is complete hudda. ravers r not all drug addicts.
in fact there is a great movement w/in the scene 2 educate
partiers about the drugs & possibly moving away from it &
getting it back 2 what it should be -- the music & the vibe.

underground peace society of ohio is my favorite production
company. brian throws the biggest & the best vibed parties here
in ohio. prime example - FAMILY AFFAIR coming july 1 - 2.
plus i've been helping him mostly thru advice & guidance
4 quite some time now.

there was one promotor from philly that i disliked. but i've
learned that even if a party doesn't go too smooth, it is
not entirely the promotors fault. by my book any promotor 
that tries deserves props. promoting is def not the easiest
line of work.

the average raver is 19, male, white, & loves 2 party. i only
say this cuz there seems 2 be more male ravers than females,
but that is quickly changing. the race thing is the most
sketchy cuz in no other culture will u see more different
flavas as far as race goes than in the rave culture. but again
i only say it cuz it just appears 2 be more caucasians in the
scene. but appearances r sometimes misleading. i myself am
asian.

the best thing about going 2 parties is meeting new & beautiful
people. but beauty is not limited 2 just appearance. rave kids
r physically beautiful, intellectually beautiful, spiritually
beautiful, musically beautiful, there's also beauty in the way
they move, the way they talk, the way they carry themselves.
there is definitly a distinct positive force that surrounds
most true ravers.

yes, not everybody understands the rave scene. and what people
don't understand they like 2 stereotype or classify; "oh yur a
raver, where can i get some drugs?" or "why do u waste yur time
just partying all the time when u should be working". i am 
employed most ravers i know have jobs.

actually i think women are more respected in the rave scene
than any other scene. u don't see ravers all drunk w/ beer
bottles hitting on anything w/ 2 legs. mostly u'll see girlz
& boyz just dancin alongside each other the whole night thru.
     
there is no difference w/ the role of the arverage male w/in
the scene than w/ the role of the average female. they're both
out 2 have a good time. however there are more male dj's than
female dj's. and there are more male promotors than female
promotors. but this is quickly changing. two of ohio's newest
promotors are girlz: mary watts of zap productions and carol
dietrich of girley girl productions.

i've been doing my zine - PLRM since 10/94. mostly positive
reactions, it was after all, the only zine of it's type in 
ohio when it 1st came out. there were a handful of kids that
didn't seem 2 happy w/ it. but it was obvious that these kids
were the same over critical kids that were bringing all the
negative attitude 2 all the parties - the whole 'i'm cooler
than u' crap.depends on where u go 4 parties.

i expereinced some racial @ parties in toronto, canada & i 
heard some kids in the south r a bit 'racey'. but @ most parties,
race does not play a factor.

if i were writing this article the one thing i would like
2 include is that ravers do care. they do realize that drugs
are a problem. and they are doing something about it. in fact
as i speak ravers on the ne-rave list r organizing 2 get drug
info flyers 2 educate ravers about the effects of drugs. i 
myself will be helping 2 distribute the flyer by including
it in my upcoming zine. i'm doing it 4 free.

lisa lee is the most interesting person i've met in the scene.
she is a circle dancer. i caught her @ a party some time last
year i was so enthralled by her moves & her beauty that i 
came out mumbling 'wow, what a pretty little rave machine'
soon after 'pretty little rave machine' replaced 'cwru rave
team' as the name of my organization. plus the name needed 2
be changed anyways cuz interest was growing off campus @ that
time.

the funniest thing i saw @ party occured in pittsburgh. i think
the party was called 'SOUL' or something. there was this guy
outside..i think he was on e..and he was well..playing w/ himself.
and there wuz a crowd @ the top of the hill..when he finally
'finished', the crowd applauded & he passed out. the scariest 
thing was almost having my car towed on the way out from PLANET
EARTH in manhatten. the towman was one car away. we quickly
jumped into my car & started the engine. if we had gotten towed
we would've been stuck in NYC cuz i barely had enuff $ 2 get
back. the 2nd worst thing that happened 2 me was @ A RAVE CALLED
SCOTT II in philly. some wack kid ganked my $200 camera! there
seems 2 be a problem w/ thievery @ east coast parties.

drugs were not that important in the beginning. everybody in
the beginning was in it 4 the right reasons - the music, the
vibe, & each other. soon dealers discovered, hey this is the
perfect haven 4 us  2 deal plus these rave kids r easy scores
cuz they're so open minded. well they moved in  almost completely
destroyed the scenes in many cities. now the ravers r trying
2 take their scene back by educating the new skoolers about
drugs & plur. in the end positivity will shine thru.

the last great party..EMERALD FOREST..Ultraworld threw it. it
was in baltimore. it was the climax 4 an entire summer of love!
it was in the outdoors. and so many ravers from so many different
parts gathered 4 this party. there were ravers i met from england,
finland, canada, new mexico, the west coast, everywhere. it was
the biggest east coast party i had ever been 2. and never have
i been surrounded by so many beautiful happy dancing people. the
beats of scott henry's closing set echoed in my head long after    
the party was over.

the worst party..A RAVE CALLED SCOTT II..kids had 2 stand outside
in the rain for 2 hrs just 2 get in..security was checkin way 2
hard..they took away water bottles, make-up, mini-thins plus they   
kept half the stuff they took away..there were no rides or putt
or any of that other stuff the flyer said it would have..there was
alot of attitude @ the party..my camera got stolen..it was an eight
hour drive from cleveland 2 philly & an 8 hour drive back. but
i don't blame the promotor cuz the weather was uncontrolable &
u can't have the rides & stuff when it was raining outside. he
also has no control of the security people & how hard they check. and
he has no control of the kids @ the party. kids can be dicks they'll
do what they want 2 do, no matter what.

i'm sick of talking about drugs. i'd rather talk about how
2 control them or how 2 teach kids 2 control their drug habit by
educating about the stuff their putting into their bodies. and
how moderation is so very important. not only 2 them but 2 the
scene.

the history of raves. well it all started w/ the music. i think
all the mid-westerners would like 2 believe it all started in 
their parts in detroit w/ juan atkins & derrick mays. but electronic
dance music started way b4 these guys came into the picture.
alot of people give kraftwerk props 4 the predecessors of the
techno sound. but as far as 'raving' in the party aspect is
concerned that started abroad not only in england but also
germany, amsterdam, holland, belgium ala 'acid house'. then dj's 
like frankie bones brought raves in the underground party sense
2 the states. bones in nyc w/ the storm raves. and peter villa,
geno, & garth who brought it over from england 2 san francisco on
the west coast. i give scott forbush props 4 bringing the sound      
2 cleveland. and i give mike g props 4 throwing the 1st underground
parties here in cleveland. but he didn't call them raves. twas silly
ole stevie t that was crazy enuff 2 call his party a rave. but
it was rob & mike that actually started the scene here. and i give
steve cinch props 4 restarting the scene here.       

since i got involved with the scene, it has changed in that the
focus has changed. in the beginning the main focus was the music,
then it was the vibe, then it was the drugs, then it was the
fashion, then it was the dancing. now i've gotten away from the
drugs, i still listen 2 the music, i still like 2 look nice, but
it's not that important. i still try 2 dance when no one is looking
(i think i'm 2 old). but the main thing that keeps me coming back
is the people. i've met so many kids so often that they've sort've
become my family & i watch over them & help them whereever i can.

i believe aliens r actually humans from the future traveling
back in time, checking up on us. making sure everything goes
as planned. perhaps adjusting things so that everything will
go as planned. sometimes they do it thru our dreams. u don't
need 2 contact them, they already know what yur thinking. by 
the same token, u can't stop them either.

in the beginning there was this sound, it was so unique in that
it sounded like nothing else.  it was called techno. then people
of different races, color, religion all came together 2 dance in
peace away from the mainstream society 2 this techno. it was called a
rave. some of the ravers used drugs 2 help them party. one drug
was unique in that it kept the user going all night & even made
it easier 2 meet new people. it was called ecstacy. the only
problem was that all the positivity that this drug brought was  
synthetic. so they tried 2 figure what it was that brought all 
the positivity w/o the drug. in the end they discovered it was
peace, it was love, it was unity, and it was respect.

PLUR,

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In a technologically-induced stupor, RFirkins@EMAIL.HGA.COM flatly stated...
::
::When buying equipment from someone (an individual, not a business)
::via mail, does one usually ship the goods upon receipt of payment or
::vice versa?  Does everyone just automatically trust each other?

COD is the best option for this sort of transaction.  I've taken advantage
of this many times in the past and I have never gotten screwed.  You simply
agree on an asking price and then ship the merchandise COD.  The only
trouble is that, depending on the carrier, you may have to physically be
there upon delivery.  But things can sometimes be worked out.  Good luck.

- stevenJ


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Remember: when replying to this interview, don't post to the list.  He won't
get it because he isn't on mw-raves.  It isn't that we don't want to hear
your thoughts but the person in question will never receive them on this
forum.

- stevenJ


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C. Jason Clark
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Does anyone know how much Indiana Tones & the Temple of Boom will be tomorrow?

Also, I was thinking about going to the Jungle party at Nocturna in Indy
tonight. Does anyone have directions and/or knows how much it will be? Any
netters gonna be there?

Peace
Love
and
Beautiful MUSIC...

Jason


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 Friday, June 30, 1995-
 
         j45 productions brings you...
 
                      R   E  S  U  R  R  E  C  T  I  O  N
 
 
 with dj's:
 
 Sleepy C-cleveland
 JJ Jellybean-chicago
 Phantom 45-chicago
 Kell-lexington
 Rob Rage-columbus
 Eric Hall-toledo
 James Temple-athens
 Unit-E-fort wayne
 Mad Chiller-fort wayne
 Jason B-indianapolis
 Release- cleveland
 
 Toledo, Ohio-$8-10pm->?
 (419)534-6969-toledo:j45 productions
 (219)460-4897-fort wayne:brotherhood of boom
 (317)895-4546-indianapolis:sin productions
 
 come join us in the RESURRECTION of the Toledo scene: This is a calling
 for those of the past, present and future to come together... to make
 Toledo what it should be. Please: no alcohol, drugz or attitudes; bring
 respect, friendship and necessities to share.
 
 :)
 
 


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Awshit, naww we missed that party, we thought about going up there to 
represent but some friends said they heard it was a bust, and all sortsa 
other crazy shit so we missed it. Too bad for us..
Scribe tribe? I dunno about all that scribin stuff seems a little too much 
graf, not enough art but hey i'm sure thats not all they do.. right? 
Upload some pics to Artcrimes. Oh, artcrimes is the WWW graffiti page, 
its at www.gatech.edu/desoto/graf.. very very cool.

Ted



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Clubs, clubs, clubs.. how I love to hate them...
 I'm trying to think of a SINGLE one that didn't have a totally shitty 
vibe. Having not been to OScillate <an ambient/expiremental club in the 
UK> or Yellow <ditto 'cept in Japan> and having heard really incredible 
stories about them i haven't TOTALLY given up hope... But I am really 
sick of going to something billed as a rave and ending up in a club, with 
a bunch of drunk frat boys and other barfly regulars, having beer spilled 
on me on the dance floor, and then being thrown out before the Sun is 
even up <a sure sign that something is inherently WRONG>. Luckily i don't 
have the problem of drunken assholes hitting on me constantly, well at 
least not very often.. If I was female I think i would avoid clubs like a 
bad rash. I guess most of you ladies have started to do exactly that, and 
thats why they're practicaly PAYING YOU to go inside.
 I know there was a big discussion about alcohol at parties and generally 
I could give a shit what you do as long as it doesn't involve me. Get 
completely shitfaced, tweaked, stoned, buttered, whatever just dont throw 
up on my shoes, huh?


Ted
" A pint of guiness, mate..."


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please do NOT send me your replies to this interview cuz frankly i don't 
care.  please send replies to Jim.Norton@ccmail.adp.wisc.edu

thank you

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Hay all...
A dude I know was just telling me that he had a Technics 1800 turntable 
at home that he would lend me if I wanted...being as that my current 
table is pretty crappy, I figured, hell, I'll take it.
 
Havent seen it yet, am just wondering if its a newer or later model than 
the 1200, and if anyone knows how it compares.
 
later...
	 ...adam


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> 
> 
> Hay all...
> A dude I know was just telling me that he had a Technics 1800 turntable 
> at home that he would lend me if I wanted...being as that my current 
> table is pretty crappy, I figured, hell, I'll take it.
>  
> Havent seen it yet, am just wondering if its a newer or later model than 
> the 1200, and if anyone knows how it compares.
>  
> later...
> 	 ...adam
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________________
>                             Send communications to:
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>          .'o  oOOOo`.            Adam DeSombre
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>            `.; / ~.  OO:          
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> 
> 
the 1800's pitch control is in dial format and not slider.  Its a pain in the
ass, but if they are bettter then the ones you have now, go for it :)

peace

fantasia

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  !!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!!
       !!! Please watch where you send replies !!!


From: HS080244@axp.calumet.purdue.edu
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:59:07 +0000 (CENTRAL)
Subject: F R O M     R   I   P   E      T O   Y O U ! ! !
To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com

this note hopes to be the first of many we hope to distribute to you.  we've
been wanting to write this for a while but we have been busy managing our
time.  so many of you call on the voice mail or try to talk at events and
we are so busy that we rarely call anyone back.  we want to have closer
contact and input from you, so we thought we would get another voice mail to
handle special calls and issues.  we would like to use the new line and
letters like these to keep us all closer in contact.  our goal is to connect
us all and address questions and concerns that affect our culture.  we would
also lie direct input from you on events, dj's, hosts, special guests, gurus,
yogi's, etc.  we think that if this is successful, it will bring us closer
together and all of us in better understanding of each other or make some
sense of this at the end of the day.  rave has gotten alot of attention
lately, and its now more than ever that we NEED to unify so we can survive
by all working together as one STRONG, POWERFUL FORCE.  this culture is ours,
we all run it - see?  so please take time to think of concerns, questions, and
input that is important to you.  after that anytime you need it, use it- BUT
REMEMBER to call often as we will be updating it daily and trying to process
the info as soon as possible so we can get it out to you.  as the saying goes
"Knowledge IS POWER!" keep in touch and tke car of each other.  MUCH RESPECT!
                                                            Roger & Lori
                                                          Ripe Productions
the new line is 312 509 5009
event line is 312 509 6453 (event info only!)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:53:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe LeSesne <raver187@m-net.arbornet.org>
Subject: Re: ele mental...newsletter for ya
To: eluna <eluna@coil.com>
cc: mwraves <mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com>,
        pb-cle-raves <pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com>

e d, e l e  m e n t a l  advisor to the stars wrote:
 

> anyone who wants "ele2," the second ele mental newsletter, email me as 
> soon as you can.
> 
> i will send it to you for free.  enclosed will be a small booklet, and a 
> flier for our jun 30th event.
> 
> also, i second my invitation to everyone to come to columbus to 
> experiece our event, which is the first in a whole weekend of worthwhile 
> events here in ohio.
> 
> our event will be cheap, less than $10, and will feature SIX live acts 
> including daccrowell, not to mention paul johnson and dan bell who will be 
> meeting for the first time.
> 
> plenty of crash space will be available as well.

ed, not to nitpick but I thought you said your event was going to be a 
small party. You do know you planned your event the same night as 
Daedalus right?


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From goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu  Thu Jun 22 19:39:18 1995
From: Nate Goldbaum <goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu>
Message-Id: <199506230233.CAA12162@falcon.depaul.edu>
Subject: Re: america downhill
To: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com (Adam Goldstein)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 21:33:14 CDT

 
 
>>
>>When a murder is committed with a knife, does are government outlaw
>>knives?   No.
>>When a murder is committed with an automobile, does are government outlaw
>>cars?   No.
>>When a murder is committed with any other method (besides a gun), does our
>>government outlaw the me6thos used.?   No.
>>
>>
>>So why is our gvernment try to outlaw gun ownership?
 
>knives, cars, and automobiles all have other purposes than to kill.  What
>exactly is the purpose of a gun?  Do we need them to hunt?  I don't know.
>The fact is, when the constitution mentioned the right to bear arms, guns
>were a lot different than they are now.  Guns are EVIL, and I will defend
>that view to anyone.  they are a machine made to KILL other beings.
 
First off, I'd like to apologize for taking so long to answer this post.  I
know many people don't want to see political discussion here, but as a political
raver, I do.  So there :)

I disagree with some of the politics of the original post (esp. the anti-Marx  
stuff) but I do agree that there is a full, frontal assault on our rights at
hand.  I'd like to take up the issue of gun control.  I disagree completely
with my roomate, Adam, on this matter.  I believe (tho I hate to agree with
the NRA on anything) that gun control is a matter of taking power away from
citizens.  I agree that the only purpose of guns is to kill.  Killing is 
something to be fought, and this belief leads some to call for gun control.
*BUT* does gun control eliminate guns?  Absolutely not.  What gun control will
mean is that guns will be accessible only to those who get them illegally (ie
gang members, mafia, other criminals) and the government (the *big* criminals).

Adam says that guns were different when the Constitution called for the right
to possess them.  Yes they were, but their purpose was not.  That purpose is
killing and the threat of killing.  When a cop carries a gun, what does that
mean?  It means that if he deems it necessary (ie, if he sees you committing a
crime, or you offend him, or you stand up to him, or you have the wrong color 
skin)  he can shoot to kill or injure you.  The same is true (with different
legal wording) of the FBI, CIA, military, etc (all arms of the state).  When the
framers of the Constitution called for the right to bear arms they had recently
come out of a successful revolution against a power that oppressed them.  They
recognized that that revolution could not have occurred without arms.  These
far-sighted activists realized that in order to fight once and future tyrranny
the power of armed self-defense was necessary.  When the Constitution guarantees
the right to bear arms, it guarantees the right to revolt against an oppressive
government.  In a world where our government is becoming more and more   
oppressive, we cannot afford to give up that right.  The framers of the 
Constitution were revolutionaries.  Jefferson himself believed that our
country was doomed if there wasn't a revolution every thirty years or so.  We
are long overdue.

In the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing, the US is working to take away 
all right to organize against the government.  Clinton's Omnibus Anti-Terrorism
Act allows the government expanded wiretapping rights, expansion of the FBI
as well as legalizing racist attacks on immigrants (esp Muslims).  It would
allow for use of secret evidence against persons or groups suspected of res-
istance work -- evidence that *cannot* be argued against or even verified.
It is part of an all-out assault on the right to the kind of 
organized resistance that gave birth to our government.  I disagree largely
with the politics of the militia movement, but I recognize that if we allow
the government to trample their rights through terrorist hysteria, we are  
giving away our own rights to self-defense and any kind of resistance action.

The use of guns is a violent act, and I believe they are only justified in
self-defense.  There are many peaceful ways to organize and fight back against
government oppression - these are the essential means for fighting back.  But
we have to recognize that whenever we stand up against the corporations and the
government, their goons will be right there to bash our heads.  Martin Luther
King Jr was accused of initiating violence by protesting in Birmingham, Ala.
His rebuttal is essential reading for anyone who wants to understand the 
nature of resistance and brutal government suppression.  But he also points out
that resistance to oppression doesn't cause conflict, it merely brings to the
surface the underlying violence of an unjust society.

Sorry to disturb the relative calm of the list, but it's been on my mind for
quite some time.  Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

peaceout
         nate (undoubtedly christening his FBI file) :P

PS  I'll be at Meltdown - my first rave in *too* long.  I'm a short guy with
    glasses, dreads and a goatee.  Come up and say 'Hi!'  I'm always happy to
    talk politics or not talk politics as you please. :)

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Subject: TunnelVision Directions from everywhere (fwd)
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:09:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe LeSesne <raver187@m-net.arbornet.org>
Subject: TunnelVision Directions from everywhere
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com, pb-cle-raves@m-net.arbornet.org,
        North East Rave List <ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu>,
        District of Columbia Rave List <DCRAVES@AMERICAN.EDU>

>From the Voicemail of UnderGround Production Inc. here are the directions 
to Tunnel Vision.


>From West Virginia, the southern suburbs and points South:

Take 79 North to 279 North. Take exit 7B towards the West End. Get in the 
lane ffor Mckees Rocks and go left and then *immediately* left again onto 
Stuben St. Go to the 2nd light and turn right onto Chartier's Ave. Go to 
the 2nd light on Chartiers and you'll be shown where to park.


>From DC, Baltimore, Philly, the eastern suburbs and points East:

Get on the Pennsylvania turnpike (76 West).

[To do this from DC - Take 270 to 70 West to 76 West]
[To do this from Baltimore - take 70 West to 76 West]

Take the PA Turnpike (76 West) to 376 West. When you get downtown stay in 
the right lane and take the North Side exit on the Bridge. Stay in the 
lane for the Ohio River Blvd. From here follow the directions from 
Pittsburgh.


>From Ohio Cities and and  points West:

Take the Ohio Turnpike East, follow it to the Pennsylvania Turnpike. 
Follow the Pennsylvania Turnpike East to Exit 3. Take Exit 3 and go to 79 
South. Take 79 South to 279 South. Take 279 South to the Ohio River Blvd 
exit. Follow the Pittsburgh directions from here.



>From Buffalo, Erie, the northern suburbs and points North: 
Take 79 South to 279 south to the Ohio River Blvd. Follow Pittsburgh 
Directions from here.



>From Pittsburgh:

Get on Ohio River Blvd then take the West End Bridge Exit. Turn left 
across the Bridge. Stay in the right lane and bear right off the bridge 
and then take an *immediate* left under the overpass to Stueben St. At 
the 2nd light make a right onto Chartiers Ave. Follow Chartiers to the 
2nd light and you'll be directed into the parking lot.



Bring lots of water, plastic containers and supplies. Also bring your 
swimming suits because the Afterparty space has a pool.


See you there


(end of directions)
 joe

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woooo! YAY! Happy Gay Pride Day!

ahem...I mean, uh...anyone check out the playboy homepage lately?

Aw shucks. I gave myself away. Yeah, I'm gay. Thank god most ravers are 
cool enough so that its not an issue. But for those who are still in the 
dark ages heres a couple facts: I don't have a special love for the color 
pink, I don't have a lisp, my wrist does not flop around and I *dont* 
hate women.

I'm just a regular guy with a love for techno!

uhh...did I just come out of the e-closet?

later-

mike w

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 HI guys!!

 This is becky thomas, and I have something important that I need as soon as possible!!

 It's Mickey Hohnmyhr's phone number.... (mouse, swank. dj shira kahn) It's improtant that I get it, because due to work and other conflicts, I won't be able to make it to Columbus on Friday nite, and I have a record for her that I want to get to her...

 SOO, if you're going to Columbus and are either in or around the cincinnati area sometime this week, and can POSSIBLY get together with me, and can give mouse her rcord on Friday nite, I'd love you foever, and drown you with hugs-n-smooches the next time I see you!!! (which would probably be at Fantastic Voyage)

 OR... please give me mouse's NEW phone # or Shannon's # in Milwaukee, so I can possibly get ahold of her this week... and see if she'll be at FAntastic Voyage...

 Thanks a kazillion guys! I love ya!!

*hugs-n-smooches*

-Becky =)


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Awright!  I gotta agree.  HAPPY GAY PRIDE DAY!

And ya don't gotta be gay to be happy on this day.  Just be glad we can be
open about sexuality (unless you're in the military, or the boy scouts or
you want to march in the St. Patty's day parade....)  I'm proud to be bisexual
(although I hate labeling my sexuality at all :P )

I had tons o' fun marching in the parade 2day!  Saw some ravers "out!" :)
Got to say Hi to Tigger for the first time in a long time :) Hi Tigger!
Sorry I didn't make it to Meltdown last night as promised.  I was just a bum.
But I'll hit some unexpected party soon (when I have wheels).  If anyone
is heading to a party some night and thinks of us (Adam and I) give us a call
the # is: (312) 989-TOGA :)

peaceout loves!


nate

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Saturday night, ~2:00am, middle of the dance floor at the outrageous 20,000  
LEAUGES UNDER THE SEA. I hear a song, and the lyrics go:

	"ECSTASY.  IT GETS TO ME. IT GETS ME SO I DONT KNOW WHAT IM DOIN'"
	"ECSTASY.  IT REALLY GETS ME GOIN'.."  ...and so on...

I know, sorta vauge.  But if anyone's heard it, they'll probably recognize  
it.  And I'd like to get a copy of it.  Crazy.

-jon

Also, I'm interested in speaking with the fellows who ran the video screen  
at 20K LEAUGES.  Were some of the graphics being generated in real-time, or  
was it all on disk/tape?

-jon

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>From: Ellen Steuer <ellen@ramona.cyborganic.com>
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:13:25 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: online interview (fwd)
>
>hey kidz... i was sent this lil interview from this guy that is doing
>some type of online publication in the near future.  last weekend after
>20,000 leauges we met him for pancakes and a live interview.  he has
>never been to a party himself but seems more than curious (personally i
>don't understand why he doesn't just GO to a party).  anyway, the first
>issue of his we zine thing is focusing on raves.  if you want to answer
>any of these questions feel free.  send replies to him though please.
>thanks!

	That's my homeboy Jim, and he says he'll be at CLOSE ENCOUNTERS.   
He's trying to put together a comprehensive, _unbiased_ in-depth article on  
rave culture for the first issue of a newspaper he's creating.  He's an  
excellent journalist and I trust his integrity.  But yeah, like ellen says,  
get in on the action.  Ellen or I can make his E-address available if he's  
okay with that.

-jon

crazy.

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Interstellar Outback 2

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On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, Jon Yankovich wrote:
> Saturday night, ~2:00am, middle of the dance floor at the outrageous 20,000  
> LEAUGES UNDER THE SEA. I hear a song, and the lyrics go:
> 
> 	"ECSTASY.  IT GETS TO ME. IT GETS ME SO I DONT KNOW WHAT IM DOIN'"
> 	"ECSTASY.  IT REALLY GETS ME GOIN'.."  ...and so on...
	
	That song is soooooppper old! anyways...the track is
	by xenaphobia i believe....i used to hear it around
	1992-1993....i dunno..those years are kinda blury now :)

    daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
    tech135@menudo.uh.edu |      HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
    tech137/daniel on hyperreal.com 7283


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all i can say is:

ft wayne???





yep, ft. wayne.  a nice, organized event.  props to the brotherhood of 
boom for showing me a new scene.  this one was held at a nice little place 
that seemed like a labyrinth, had 4 rooms of sound...and it was hot as 
hell in there!

other than the heat it was a fantastic party, with wicked tunes (or should i 
say tones?).

each room had kinda a theme: a smaller room had jungle all night, another 
had traxx/techno, another was ambient, and the last was house/techno/triphop 
shit.  the best rooms for me were the traxx room and the jungle area. 

(not in chronological order...)

traxx room:
i got there late after having swung up to detroit to say yo to my boys.  
i missed todd sines' set which i got a ticket trying to hurry up and 
see.  *sigh*  but it sure was weird seeing him at a rave!!  he he, should 
happen more often, it was kewl.  robert armani dropped in next, i caught 
a lot of his set.  after all the hoopla (deliberate or otherwise) about 
armani, it didnt move me much.  chalk it up to my mood, probably...i just 
didnt feel like dancin at first.  good selection tho.  after him was mike 
huckaby who essentially had me glued to the floor for over an hour!  not 
many others "got it" but me an jimbob sure did...huggin the speakers most 
of the time...WOW.  mike's style aint flashy, he just PLAYS...but oh, 
what he plays!!!  wowie zowie...like a lot o minimal british/detroit 
stuff...hard to explain if you havent experienced it.  plus, mike is 
kewl...a very approachable person.  blah blah blah.

jungle room:
at first i didnt like the fact that jungle sort of just got thrown into a 
rather random little area, but the music really made up for it.  danny the 
wild child...uh, i really cant describe how good he was.  i wont even 
try.  i could NOT do him justice.  this is the kind of kid who has 
probably spent the last couple years in his room at home in chicago, 
just practicing and practicing...absorbing the music, truly understanding it... 
and then bustin it out.  SHIT.  apparently he is doing music as well.  i 
can only imagine!  then was my boy titonton who was understandably a 
little, uh..._uneasy_ going after such talent...but t showed his stuff 
off pretty well regardless...actually held his own!  of course that is 
because he's been down wid breaks since day one...doin all kinds of tricks.
then charles/monochrome kicked it slower and smoother till the end.   
waiting for your new record, charles!!

house room: 
i spent little time here or in the ambient room.  i noticed cyberjive 
spinning, and then some others...some guy in a basebal cap with like a 
vertical goatee (?)...if anyone knows him please tell me coz i liked what 
he spun!

ambient room:
kinda worked the least coz it was kinda conflicting with the other rooms  
too much.  i only noticed timbient...oh well

arrighty, i was happy with the event except for the heat.

so was anyone else there??

does anyone review parties anymore??????
++
e d

e l e  h o n k e y 

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the absolute deadline 4 articles/ads for upcoming PLRM is this
thursday (6/29/95). so all those that were thinking about putting
stuff in, please contact me ASAP (that means u tom, ecto, scooter,
damian, etc.) via e-mail @ syt@po.cwru.edu, v-mail 216.556.1485,
or kinko's fax 216.229.4422.

thanx,

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Last epsiode, Davis J. Bassan B.S. cried out:

> Interstellar Outback 2
> August 25,26 and 27 1995
> FREE
> FREE
> FREE
> FREE
> [everyone & their momma]

	Man, I'm all excited.	
 	Just like waitin' for Christmas.
	+) kiwi - 

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Didn't make it to Whirlygig or any other events this weekend,
but I thought I heard a story on WWJ this morning about a bust
involving "kids" "dancing" "marajuana" and "nitrous oxide" in
a "warehouse".

Does anyone have info?  Much appreciated.  I hope the Motor City
underground is humming smoothly and is not headed for another
tune-up...

--
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                            susceptible to divine influences." -- John Cage

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Jon Yankovich <jovian@flansburgh.wisc.edu> wrote:
> Saturday night, ~2:00am, middle of the dance floor at the outrageous 20,000  
> LEAUGES UNDER THE SEA. I hear a song, and the lyrics go:
> 
> 	"ECSTASY.  IT GETS TO ME. IT GETS ME SO I DONT KNOW WHAT IM DOIN'"
> 	"ECSTASY.  IT REALLY GETS ME GOIN'.."  ...and so on...

That's "Rush in the House" by Xenophobia, a breakbeat track
from 1992.  Was this just repressed or something?  One of
the DJs at Tunnel Vision this weekend played this as well.

-Sho
--
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                            having for lunch!

<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.

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	Well isn't this curious.  At Even Furthur, every third DJ was  
spinning jungle.  I was hoping to see this trend spread throughout the  
mid-west (and perhaps it has), but I still never hear any jungle at parties  
in Wisconsin.  Does anyone understand the politics behind the apparent lack  
of jungle?  Is it a fad?  Anyone have any opinions?

-jon

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On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, -==Kiwi==- wrote:

> Last epsiode, Davis J. Bassan B.S. cried out:
> 
> > Interstellar Outback 2
> > August 25,26 and 27 1995
> > FREE
> > FREE
> > FREE
> > FREE
> > [everyone & their momma]
> 
Where?
Where?
Where?
This might determine if I decide to make the journey.

robi

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"...adam" <adesombr@worf.uwsp.edu>  said:


>Hay all...
>A dude I know was just telling me that he had a Technics 1800 turntable
>at home that he would lend me if I wanted...being as that my current
>table is pretty crappy, I figured, hell, I'll take it.
>
>Havent seen it yet, am just wondering if its a newer or later model than
>the 1200, and if anyone knows how it compares.
>
>later...
>         ...adam
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
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        The 1800's have seperate pitch controlls for either 33 or 45 rpm.
This may come in handy.  They are indeed dials, and a real pain in the ass.
The platters are not as massive as 1200's and I believe the motors aren't
as burly.  I used a pair for a while and they took some getting used to.
Not bad for the price, however.  Good luck.  I still think you should steal
the pair from that nasty club Bruisers.  The owner of that place is a
prick.




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
                                 web collective/beatPHREAKsociety



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wickett from madison spins jungle... he is very good too:)

/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/
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		***zine, cute girlz, good conversation***
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On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, Jon Yankovich wrote:

> 	Well isn't this curious.  At Even Furthur, every third DJ was  
> spinning jungle.  I was hoping to see this trend spread throughout the  
> mid-west (and perhaps it has), but I still never hear any jungle at parties  
> in Wisconsin.  Does anyone understand the politics behind the apparent lack  
> of jungle?  Is it a fad?  Anyone have any opinions?
> 
> -jon
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 26 13:11:24 1995
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anyone see the flier for FADED here in columbus?  nice, aint it!
full color, nice fold-out, etc...

i have a pet peeve about it tho, and wanted to see how you all felt about it.

i have a big problem with fliers that are VERY OBVIOUSLY paid for with 
drug money (i happen to know this for a fact, in this case).

i mean, here i am, perhaps a dumb-ass, paying for my fliers by pooling 
money from the other ele mentalsssss and with my measly $5.18/hour 
JOB...so i SWEAT for my event.

meanwhile there are some people out there who pay for their parties with 
e hits that they sell for unreasonably high profit margins and which took 
them 10 minutes to sell.  fair?  of course it is.  i aint bitchin about 
capitalism which i already know is a piece of shit.

in fact this is capitalism at its best, and as such i have no problem 
with it.  what i am harping on is that parties/events are becoming two 
different things: either loving events thrown by people who care about 
the music and who want to take the scene to a next level (which does not 
exclude drug users by any means), or tweaked-out drug-runners who may or 
may not care about the music and who CERTAINLY dont want to take the 
scene to a new level unless it means more money and more fresh little 
kids for them to dump their drugs on.

it is up to us to support whichever the above philosophies we agree with.




"plur everybody"

(pissed as hell and he aint gwana go out like that no mo)
++
e d

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ok here's the direx 2 FAMILY AFFAIR:

FROM THE INDIANA & KENTUCKY AREA:
71 north. 76 east. 77 south

FROM THE MICHIGAN AREA:
90 east. 71 south. 76 east. 77 south

FROM PITTSBURGH & ALL PTS EAST:
76 west. 77 south

FROM ALL POINTS SOUTH & THE CAROLINAS:
77 north


then from 77
exit on Foe rd (exit 99)
make right off exit
go 1/2 mile west on Foe rd.
go 2.5 mile south on Sherman Church Rd.
go 1.5 east on Hawch rd (sp?)
look for signs for Bear Creek Campgrounds
go to the ampitheatre & yur there

don't forget net ravers meeting @ the flying lemur booth
@ 1am, 2am, & 3am on both nights.

e me if u've got any questions

c u @ the party

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hello.

the pec information distribution database has been wiped at the pec-list has
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you fucking communist.

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 26 15:38:51 1995
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On Mon, 26 Jun 1995 somebody scratched the back of their electronic 
throat with their virtual finger and spewed forth:

> you fucking communist.

Um, I believe in this context, that should be spelled "commonist"  or maybe
"furriner". 

arf.

     -d.w.


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jon asked us if the apparent lack of jungle was a political 'ting
here in da midwess.

Well here's a man fishing for pennies in doubles.  My $.02?

Breaks in the midwest?  Absolutely.  Ask the ele mental crew.
Stop by any party with Heckle & Jekkyl  (Paris & Billeebob).
You are bound to hear some *slammin* drum & bass selections.

But here's the problem.  What exactly is the difference between
"Jungle" "Fast Breaks" "Drum & Bass" and whatever other micro-
pigeon holes are invented for this music?  As far as I can tell
(and if I am wrong, I *want* to be corrected), Jungle proper
includes live MC performances on top of the track, often espousing
"attitude".  The midwest scene, in general, was built to be anti-
thetical to "attitude".  In fact, the entire rave phenomenon
is based in large part on acceptance. 

So are the jungle scene and "
"junglists" less tolerant and loving than House/trance/traxx
folks?  You decide.  But I think that might be the current 
preconception that keeps mw-ravers from exposing themselves to
the breakbeat sub-scene.

Stoopid related question from an aging raver:
Do you move at 220 bpm or 110 bpm?
:)

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 26 18:10:46 1995
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The Techno Report
Complied by 
Mike Huckaby

     Well fans, it looks like there wont be a release date for Dave Clarkes's
Red 3 until the end of the summer now.  Dave Clarke recently spun a few gigs
in New York, which caused quite a buzz about the track out there.

Carl Craig released a subscription only 12  inch for his Planet e subscribers
which
contains a reworking of The Goodman's "Give It Up" track.  Just when you
thought that the track was over, Carl Craig bangs out a killer remix of it.
Which may be worth subscribing to Planet e for!  The 12 inch also contains 2
other unreleased tracks.  For more info contact Planet e Records at
(313)-567-0916.

Several other Detroit Techno artists are now joining the ranks of Carl Craig,
Kenny Larkin and Juan Atkins with lucrative Techno deals.  Dan Bell, is
currently working on an LP for Tresor.  While, Stacy Pullen has completed an
LP for R&S records.  Intangible Records, run by Terrence Parker out of
Detroit,
will pretty soon release a Techno EP by Track Master Lov called the Lurking
Shadow EP.

Other noteworthy Techno 12 inches include the new Accelerator 12 inch on
Reload out of Belgium.  Multiple tracks of killer, straight ahead Techno that
gets the job done.  Also check out another multiple pounder out of the UK
called the G-Man EP.  Consistent straight ahead Techno that would fit well in
a Techno set.  Touche' Records out of Holland delivers several promising
releases this summer.  The summer release schedule includes a product by
Felix Da Housecat, a new R-Factor release, and a new Papermoon 12 inch to
follow up their 51 Days release.

See Ya Soon!

Peace

Mike Huckaby


P.S.  Look for my House and Techno charts to be posted shortly.  And my mixed
tapes are currently available thru Record Time.  Email for more details

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The House Report
Complied by
Mike Huckaby

First up, I would like to salute the debut release of an amazing magazine
called Muzik out of England.  Hats off to this one!  This magazine cover
everything and everybody, and I do mean everybody in House, Techno and Hip
Hop imaginable right now.  Move over Mixmag and DJ, this one's a sizzler!
Copies are available at Record Time too.  So get your hands on a copy so you
can get the info on what's going on.

Tunewise,  All eyes and ears await a triple pack remix project of Kerri
Chandler on Arnold Jarvis "Inspiration" single released earlier this year.
The triple pack promises new mixes by Roger S., Kerri Chandler and a host of
new UK mixers.  Interestingly enough, Carl Craig and Chez & Trent are
scheduled to do remixes on Dajee's next single entitled "Day by Day".

Henry St. releases a killer 12 inch on the Disco trip called "The No Props
EP"  The b-side contains a monstrous Disco track that floated as a bootleg
heavily in New York and England a few months ago.  St. Germain of F
Communications in France has just completed a license deal with Tribal
Records in America to release his "Boulevard" series. Smack Music gears up
for several promising releases as well.  Releases on Smack include an LP by
Colonel Abrhams, Remixes of Dawn Tallman's "I'll Do Anything" single, 2
Calvin Rock releases and a single by Janet Rushmore.

Stay tuned for more !

Peace !

Mike Huckaby

P.S.  Look for my House and Techno charts to be posted shortly.  And my mixed
tapes are currently available thru Record Time.  Email for more details




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Record Time / Mike Huckaby Top Ten House

1.  No Props EP - Henry St.
2.  Kaos - Freedom of Choice - Nice & Ripe
3.  Jasper St. - A Feeling - Azuli / Basement Boys
4.  Mole People - Break Night - Strickly Rhythm
5.  Paul Russaw - Thoughts of You - Kult Records
6.  Disco Tex Vol. 1 - UK import
7.  Todd Terry - Oregano - Freeze
8.  Partners Inc. - Looking for an Answer - Crossection
9.  BT Express - Level One - Madhouse Records
10.  Chuggtes - I Remember Dance - Prescription


Record Time / Mike Huckaby Top Ten Techno

1.  Accelerator - Funky Rumble - Reload
2.  G-Man -  G-Man EP - UK
3.  Schatraxx Vol. 4 - UK
4.  Thunderground - Cans - Infonet
5.  Tata Box - Inhibitors Protien - Touche'
6.  Minimal Man - Coyote Flux - UK
7.  Source Experience - Synaethesia - R & S
8.  Mike Ink - Live Evil Part 2 - UK
9.  Taylor & Zamani - Acid Supermarket
10.  Blue Minds - Reflection EP - UK

P.S.  Look for my House and Techno reports also being posted.  And my mixed
tapes are currently available thru Record Time.  Email for more details


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We Are Moving!

Our progress can not be hindered or STOPPED!!!

We need more space to satisfy the public's insatiable 
need for finely-priced music.  Change is inevitable and it
is inevitable that you will love the new store!!!

The new store will be opening hopefully in early August.

The details

Record Time
27360 Gratiot Ave.
Roseville, MI  48066
(810)-775-1550

Formerly Shorts Auto Parts
10,000 sq ft
50,000 watts of lights and sound  :-)
smartbar by get smart :-)
Triple the parking


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(there is a duck on the flyer but my ascii art talents are very limited).

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 26 18:15:13 1995
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>don't forget net ravers meeting @ the flying lemur booth
>@ 1am, 2am, & 3am on both nights.
>
I thought this was a one night two day thing....am I wrong or does it go on
through sunday night too?  I'll be looking fer y'all there!  BTW...who from
mw-raves is going???

Lucy


   


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RecordTime@aol.com said:

{new store details deleted}

>Triple the parking


Yay!  :)

That lot is/was hellacious on some Saturday afternoons and Sunday afternoons.




Andrew
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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 26 18:38:26 1995
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  !!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!!
       !!! Please watch where you send replies !!!


Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:32:13 +0100
From: Engywook <engywook@primus.paranoia.com>
Subject: Re: fliers/pet peeve...
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On Mon, 26 Jun 1995 Poseur78@aol.com wrote:

> you fucking communist.
> 
I do hope you intended to put a smiley next to your otherwise highly 
insightful remark <g>.  On principle, I'm going to skip the obvious 
joke about the system from which this post hails because there are a lot 
of fine people at aol.com.  

I don't entirely agree with the original poster myself.  That 
should not matter in a rave.  Actually, it should not matter anywhere.  The 
world is full of people looking at eachother and saying, "You fucking [fill 
in the blank]."  I'm sick of games, I'm sick of bullshit, and the Us & 
Them politics is an all-too-easy luxury we can no longer afford.

As for the original remarks, things do fall apart.  That's the way of 
things (and I don't know if raves ever were purely about the music and 
the lights).  I was hoping, when I logged on, to see some thoughts about how 
to make the center hold and last.  I'd have prefered to see people 
bastardizing Yeats, even.  Call me a flower child or an idealist fool, but 
the cold war still being fought here by anyone breaks my heart.

E.   

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Yep, it sure was.  Funny how the media hasn't been touching on the use of
excessive force by the cops.  Anyone who has read the freepress or news
who was also involved in the bust should call up the papers.  I did earlier
today, the articles purely bought the police line of events, and I talked
to the writer of the article who seemed to be shocked at some of what I
said went on by the police.  It can't hurt and it just might get the 
journalists to take the police report with a grain of salt.
        Did anyone actually see beer there?  I'm postive I didn't.
        Anyway, I'll save the story about getting kicked in the ass by by
one of Detroit's own for later.  Anyone know about the kid from Canada
who got hit in the head?

Court dates are set for tomorrow morning at 8:30, and sometime on Wednesday

-> Xen-25

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       OK i am slighty confused with the meeting point at family affair.  
I spoke to JJ saturday night and he said he really wanted everyone to 
meet at the delirium booth, and i guess its how weve always done it and 
its worked out alright. I was confused when i read the post about meeting 
at that other place, cause when ellen responded with asking to meet at 
the delirium booth i thought that was what the plan was...i dunno
  the delirium booth at 1:00am?

  if not ill be back there helpin out alot so come to the booth and say hi 
to me and JJ...:) 

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 26 21:20:20 1995
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> From: frenche@iglou.com (Davis J. Bassan B.S.)
> Subject: IO2 update
> Interstellar Outback 2
> August 25,26 and 27 1995
> 
> Frop Bass Guys
  ^^^^ 
heh.  I dont know what to make of it sir.  :P

Anyway,	Its great to be updated on the DJs.. how abouts the location.  I know
that JJ was having a hard-on about having it AWAY from kentucky and do it at
an indian reservation in a neighbooring state (hopefully); which would be tres
pimp.  I would like to know so I could start figureing how the hell Im getting
there... (there is a possibilty that I [yes ME] will have a car by then.. which
I would be more than willing to give people rides there).

mint 

Ps->I still think Joey should get mega-props for all he did after the screw up
last year... even if you DO like him.. :P   
j/k joey.

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THis is my opinion on Jungle and wisconsin.

There is no doubt that many people like Jungle in wisconsin.  The reason 
why there is no Jungle spun is that Wisconsin has a lack of Jungle DJ's 
that have a name for themselves.  I know for a fact that there are about 
5 people who spin jungle at little parties here, and if you include happy 
hardcore and fast breaks into the little shing ding, you are looking at 
around 10 people in the Milwaukee area.

The reasons for this I think is that lack of Jungle that we are able to 
buy.  Revolutions has the Break beats and Jungle records, but not like 
the ones in Chicago.

It is spreading, Da' Jungle Bug is biting everyone.  It bit me, and well 
let me just say that Milwaukee is full of the "Closet Jungle" fans.

John - Massive Weenies

On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, Jon Yankovich wrote:

> 	Well isn't this curious.  At Even Furthur, every third DJ was  
> spinning jungle.  I was hoping to see this trend spread throughout the  
> mid-west (and perhaps it has), but I still never hear any jungle at parties  
> in Wisconsin.  Does anyone understand the politics behind the apparent lack  
> of jungle?  Is it a fad?  Anyone have any opinions?
> 
> -jon
> 

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> wickett from madison spins jungle... he is very good too:)
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> 
> 		***zine, cute girlz, good conversation***
> /`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/
> 
> On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, Jon Yankovich wrote:
> 
> > 	Well isn't this curious.  At Even Furthur, every third DJ was  
> > spinning jungle.  I was hoping to see this trend spread throughout the  
> > mid-west (and perhaps it has), but I still never hear any jungle at parties  
> > in Wisconsin.  Does anyone understand the politics behind the apparent lack  
> > of jungle?  Is it a fad?  Anyone have any opinions?
> > 
> > -jon
> > 

I remember somebody at Even Furthur that I was into by the name of PeterBuilt.
Where is he from?

mint

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> in fact this is capitalism at its best, and as such i have no problem 
> with it.  what i am harping on is that parties/events are becoming two 
> different things: either loving events thrown by people who care about 
> the music and who want to take the scene to a next level (which does not 
> exclude drug users by any means), or tweaked-out drug-runners who may or 
> may not care about the music and who CERTAINLY dont want to take the 
> scene to a new level unless it means more money and more fresh little 
> kids for them to dump their drugs on.

Hmmm... this is a very intresting situation that you have drawn up here.
I think this goes with a previous descussion about tactless promoters who
are in the area for making money.  I serious think we need to pull together 
and learn which promotion to NOT go to.  Sure, the line up may be good, but 
there are NOT any DJs you cant witness another time.  There isnt much else 
that I can say (for it is obvious that I am cleaning out my mailbox after a
weekend of debachary and I am very tired) but that boycotting does work.  If
it doesn't put them out of business, it will hurt them and we can seperte our-
selves from them as much as possible.

Ug.  that was a bad letter.. 

mint

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Raves and Drug Money.

Hmm, well this is where we come to that big deciding point in our big 
ole' social scene.  Do we, or don't we support those, who make it there 
habit to profit by selling drugs.

Well, I have done it (gone to a party in which the promoter was a drug 
dealer) and I bet that most of us have done it, some with not even 
knowing it.  I think it is sad that the fact of the matter is that we 
don't usually have a choice when it comes down to this.  A LOT OF PARTIES 
seem to be funded by some sort of sales of drugs.  Boycotting parties 
won't do much since most of the people out there use the drugs that the 
promoters sell.

Lets face it, most net ravers know whats up.  But those 15 year old E 
bunnies and dumb ass meth kids seem to not have a clue.  And in these 
days, there seems to be more who don't have clue then do.  So boycotting 
doesn't do a thing.

My suggestion is voice it!  Voice that you had enough of dealers.  Don't 
be affraid to speak out.  As some of you may remember, I did, I got 
"Talked To", I got scared, I apoligized, and went back to my little hole 
I came from.

Don't let the promoters dictate what you do, you pay money for the 
parties!  YOU SHOULD DICTATE WHAT THE PROMOTERS DO!  YOU ARE THE ONES WHO 
MAKE THEM WHO THEY ARE.

But, the fact of the matter is that some promoters have to power to make 
your life miserable and can hold that over your head.

Do you understand my point. Speak out and say yer pissed, and I think 
that might change it.



JOHN massive MAGAZINE

MASSIVE MAGAZINE! - COME TO OUR PARTY!  WE DON'T SELL DRUGS - AUG. 12 1995

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> On Mon, 26 Jun 1995 Poseur78@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > you fucking communist.
> > 
> I don't entirely agree with the original poster myself.  That 
> should not matter in a rave.  Actually, it should not matter anywhere.  The 
> world is full of people looking at eachother and saying, "You fucking [fill 
> in the blank]."  I'm sick of games, I'm sick of bullshit, and the Us & 
> Them politics is an all-too-easy luxury we can no longer afford.

Even though I had thought about my last post and decided that I was too vague
with my opinion, I still fail to seehow you can see this as some sort of ehtic
game/bullshit.  I am not pointing any fingers as I'm sure that Ed wouldn't of
untill he made a reference and anyone else with a civil mind.  However, I do
consider that the illegal actions to support the scene/vibe/what have you is
not something that a respectable raver/party-goer/what have you ( :P ) would
like.  Sure, some people people that go will do drugs... either they bring it
which is tough enough to efface or they buy it from someone there (hopefully
not the promoter); but lets face it.. drugs are illegal.  It is something that
shouldn't be said twice.  Hell, I do them.. but I do not do them a parties.  I
have once.. and that was because the music was over (take it as an excuse or 
not, I dont care).  I do not even do them in public here in town; not out of 
paranoia.. but out of respect for other people.  I see it as a fact that the 
rave phenomenon as it may be does not need to be that blantantly associated
with illegal activities.  It would not be a positive developement if the 
promoters get caught (which would be more probable if they are paying for
parties at this magnitude).

So Mr guy who seems to not give a damn... my rhetoric seems a little babbly; but
I would bet that anybody else would agree that it is more of luxury (of lazi-
ness or comforming) to just say, "oh well" and support this kind of habit.

now I go to bed!

mint

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	       " Life before Seven-Eleven was not worth living.."<-Zippy
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Scott "me? Bombastic?" Bartlett		Lexington, KY

did any of that make sense?



> to make the center hold and last.  I'd have prefered to see people 
> bastardizing Yeats, even.  Call me a flower child or an idealist fool, but 
> the cold war still being fought here by anyone breaks my heart.
> 
> E.   
> 


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> Well, I have done it (gone to a party in which the promoter was a drug 
> dealer) and I bet that most of us have done it, some with not even 
> knowing it.  I think it is sad that the fact of the matter is that we 
> don't usually have a choice when it comes down to this.  A LOT OF PARTIES 
> seem to be funded by some sort of sales of drugs.  Boycotting parties 
> won't do much since most of the people out there use the drugs that the 
> promoters sell.
> My suggestion is voice it!  Voice that you had enough of dealers.  Don't 
> be affraid to speak out.  As some of you may remember, I did, I got 
> "Talked To", I got scared, I apoligized, and went back to my little hole 
> I came from.
> Don't let the promoters dictate what you do, you pay money for the 
> parties!  YOU SHOULD DICTATE WHAT THE PROMOTERS DO!  YOU ARE THE ONES WHO 
> MAKE THEM WHO THEY ARE.
> But, the fact of the matter is that some promoters have to power to make 
> your life miserable and can hold that over your head.
> Do you understand my point. Speak out and say yer pissed, and I think 
> that might change it.

The only problem is that there is something wrong when you voice that your sick
of haveing parties with the foundation of drug sells.. .and yet you still go to
them.  What can you say?  It would lead to baycotting because I doubt that the
promotor would go back (if he/she even started) to legal fund raising tatics.
"If you dont stop... I'll stop going to your parties"
what else can you do?
"If you dont stop... I WONT have as much fun next time!"
or.. ".. I WONT dance as much!".. :P
It seems silly but as I see it.. it is a no end situation.. 
if you are sick of it.. you will have to make sacrifices for what you want.
I do think itt will turn out for the best.

If I am majorly overlooking something.. please tell me.

mint

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okay just a few thoughts..

why dont u hear more jungle at midwest events.....

1) there are lots of people who hate it obviously enough.  people who cant
dance to it because there is not a 4/4 beat.  i really dunno why this is
because i find jungle easier to dance to than anything else cause u can
move to the 85 bpm bassline.  so for those who say its too fast..why is that.

2) most promoters dont want it at their parties..   outside of chicago
u will rarely find more than one or 2 jungle djs at a party if any.

*note* dj rap one of the best djs in the world touched down
in indianapolis back in may and there was just not enough people
into it..   i mean it was wikked for those who knew who she was 
and were brockin out all night.  but i bet more than half of the people
had never heard of her before..

3) lack of exposure to the progression and culture of jungle and how it
has evolved from 1992 when everyone called it breakbeat.  this music
progresses fast folks.  definitely a lot more than house or anything else
does in my opinion.  the beats and basslines and the complexity involved
just keeps getting better.. music for the deeper minds.  period.

4) the difficulty of finding the latest and newest 12"s.  there is a lot
of emphasis on who can get the newest and unreleased tracks.  it takes
time, effort and money.  u have to be into it 100%...  basically you
cant just say one day "hey i think i will become a jungle dj" and
start spinnin it.  it takes time to get educated.  

5) i could think of some more but i am getting tired..

note no one mentioned (or wait someone did) happy hardcore (which
the proper name is 4-beat nowadays as coined by dj seduction)
which outside of london is more popular than jungle is over in 
the uk.  now we should be talkin about why there are only 3 or 4
happy djs in the united states.  for those who dont know
happy hardcore is still alive and thriving in 1995.  if u like pianos
and old skool happy vibe..u will like it.  plus for those who cant
dance to jungle u can dance to happy hardcore cause there is usually
a 4/4 kick drum goin so u dont get all confused ;)  hehe...

night everyone..

julian  :)
dj casper
chicago




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First of all.. I am sorry that I posted three time within one hour about the
same damn thing.  I didnt even realize it.. :P

OK!  here's the deal.. I DID have a ride to Akron this weekend... but following
my persistant shadow called luck; I do not have a ride now.  I live in 
Lexington (you know.. that place that everyone loves to drive through; es-
pecially if your going to pick someone up.. :P ).
If there is any possibility of stopping by.. please let me know.
I am pretty sure every one that is going from here has a full car; besides I 
have skeeched too much from them for rides.  So please consider yourself 
proud to be skeeched off by moi.. (even though Ill help out with gas and stuff)
I appreciate any considerations.

luv,
mint

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    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: sxb40@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven Bevilacqua)
    To: syt@po.cwru.edu
    Subject: Re: last chance 2 get yur stuff in PLRM
    Date: Mon, 26 Jun

    
    Stevie can you please pass this on to the local rave board....
    
    Vending spots still available for Family Affair!!!!
    Hurry Hurry, VERY reasonable vending fee.
    Please call Steve Bevilacqua at (216) 221-2535
    See you at The Affair
    
    --
    Rev. Steve Bevilacqua, owner Flying Lemur Strange and Unusual 
    Books.  Specializing in Erotica! Occult! Drug Culture! Anti-
    Establishment! More! 13743 MAdison Ave. Cleveland OH.
    Way Cool Web Site  http://www.apk.net/lemur
    
    

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At 09:06 AM 6/26/95 EST, Sho Kuwamoto wrote:
>Jon Yankovich <jovian@flansburgh.wisc.edu> wrote:
>> Saturday night, ~2:00am, middle of the dance floor at the outrageous 20,000  
>> LEAUGES UNDER THE SEA. I hear a song, and the lyrics go:
>> 
>> 	"ECSTASY.  IT GETS TO ME. IT GETS ME SO I DONT KNOW WHAT IM DOIN'"
>> 	"ECSTASY.  IT REALLY GETS ME GOIN'.."  ...and so on...
>
>That's "Rush in the House" by Xenophobia, a breakbeat track
>from 1992.  Was this just repressed or something?  One of
>the DJs at Tunnel Vision this weekend played this as well.

I've got a happy hardcore track on a semi-new compilation that has that
sample in it.  My records are across the room and I'm too lazy to wander
over to them.

But, prolly, maybe - a re-worked sample in a newer track.

earache


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on 6/26 lucy sed:
=================================================================
>don't forget net ravers meeting @ the flying lemur booth
>@ 1am, 2am, & 3am on both nights.
>
I thought this was a one night two day thing....am I wrong or does it go on
through sunday night too?  I'll be looking fer y'all there!  BTW...who from
mw-raves is going???

Lucy
=================================================================

the gates open @ 4pm. the music starts @ 9pm saturday night.
and the party will go on 'til monday morning.

but i think i wanna change this anyway cuz steve just informed
me that delirium will have a booth @ the party & i promised
ellen if delirium had a booth we'd have the net meeting there.
so howz this sound w/ everybody:

net ravers meeting @ the delirium mixed tape booth @ 2am & 3am
saturday night and 2pm & 3pm sunday afternoon

also in response w/ yur previous question about whether one
can show up on sunday & get a discounted rate. i talked w/
lee (brian's partner) & he sed if they break even saturday
they just might offer a discounted rate for sunday late shows.
they just have 2 make sure everybody gets paid 1st though.

i'm lookin forward 2 meetin y'all 2!

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Hey all

I just wanted to say that my letters last night did explain my attitude towards
the subject.. but were poorly written.  I did not intend any mud to be slinged.
especially to eric.. sorry.

mint

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> > On Mon, 26 Jun 1995 Poseur78@aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > > you fucking communist.


I guess we all should salute this brave poster, who (although not brave
enough to get up from behind a pseudonym) was courageous enough to
speak up for the American god-given right for rave promoters to sell
meth and coke to 16-year-olds. I guess we should all know better than
to dis the "free market", huh?

There are plenty of promoters funded by and profiting from drug money.
Core is the one I've heard the most rumors about, but I have other reasons
for not going to their parties anyway.

Stu



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 I blame all this gangsta rap pretention that is creeping into the jungle 
scene, its bullshit and has no place here as far as I'm concerned.  I 
think its basically a ploy by record companies to market jungle to a 
wider audience. Which seems ridiculous because jungle is far more about 
true hip-hop as far as I can see, and since jungle tends to be lacking on 
the "rox, guns, and ho's" crap i don't see the average white suburban 
wanna-be gangsta <the primary buyers of gangsta rap> staying interested 
for very long.  Which is of course what we want...
 As far as the 'tude goes, you gotta realise its a style of music that 
originated in a very HARD part of the world, West End London. Yes there 
is a general attitude going, and it is very, very real for these people. 
This is where the ruffneck style originates. I don't think its a bad 
thing, though perhaps intimidating at some level. Personally I think its 
a matter of being confident in yourself more than trying to scare people. 
Peace, love, unity.. all very noble goals, but on the other hand not what 
the original junglist is living with on a day-to-day. Which means you 
have to take in the last of the PLUR formula, respect. If you were 
surrounded by all sorts of forces trying to take yours, how would you 
react? This might not be the best time to run up and slap a sticker on 
someone... But openly looking someone in the eye, a sincere smile on yer 
face, and asking "what up?".. This goes a long way towards breaking down 
that wall.
 Rudeboy is not about trying to offend. Its about living how you wanna 
live <LARGE> and just not giving a fuck who gets upset. Most junglists 
i've met really don't have to much of a grasp of the original rudeboy 
image, which comes from the ska/reggae/rocksteady/dancehall/etc. scene. 
Check out "the Harder They Come" a very cool movie, with Jimmy Cliff in 
the starring role if i'm not mistaken. This is the epitome of the style, 
a style adopted by british mods and now junglists to some extent. i think 
this may be more apparent in the London jungle scene, which seems more 
attuned to the reggae roots of this whole shebang. I certainly hope to 
find out when i get there, anyhow...
 i'm just waiting for the day when this all comes full-circle, jungle and 
ambient dub <don't get me started on this one> back to hip-hop and 
dancehall. Imagine Studio One releasing jungle, Greensleeves releasing 
ambient. The mind boggles...


stay true,

Ted

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Joey Martin didn't do shit, other then what he always does. Take your 
money... Seriously I have had the misfortune of doing business with this 
guy and believe me when i say he is not to be trusted. His interest in 
the scene is based on one thing -  profit. Vultures need to get the fuck out.

Ted


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Okay heres one i'm sure of and thats been bothering me for a while. let 
me say that I wouldn't talk this sort of shit if I was not %100 positive 
of what i'm saying. I don't know the name of these promoters, but they 
are from Chicago and threw Liquid Groovy. Anyone know names?
 I met these freex at my friend's house in St. Louiee, they were bragging 
about how much GHB they had to sell at this party. If you don't know GHB 
is toxic at a level not far beyond that at which it becomes psychoactive, 
and this guy was like "well if someone is small I'll put a little less in 
their cap". Hardly reassuring, don'tcha think?
 Havibng seen this put to death the LA scene years ago i try to avoid 
these types as best I can. so anyway add them to the list, 
because...well...they suck.

Ted


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I am drawn on this...

On one hand, we have free flow of information to the public, which is good.

On the other hand, we have started our own Inquisition.  Where's McCarthy?


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>anyone see the flier for FADED here in columbus?  nice, aint it!
>full color, nice fold-out, etc...
>
>i have a pet peeve about it tho, and wanted to see how you all felt about it.
>
>i have a big problem with fliers that are VERY OBVIOUSLY paid for with 
>drug money (i happen to know this for a fact, in this case).
>
>i mean, here i am, perhaps a dumb-ass, paying for my fliers by pooling 
>money from the other ele mentalsssss and with my measly $5.18/hour 
>JOB...so i SWEAT for my event.
>
>meanwhile there are some people out there who pay for their parties with 
>e hits that they sell for unreasonably high profit margins and which took 
>them 10 minutes to sell.  fair?  of course it is.  i aint bitchin about 
>capitalism which i already know is a piece of shit.
>
>in fact this is capitalism at its best, and as such i have no problem 
>with it.  what i am harping on is that parties/events are becoming two 
>different things: either loving events thrown by people who care about 
>the music and who want to take the scene to a next level (which does not 
>exclude drug users by any means), or tweaked-out drug-runners who may or 
>may not care about the music and who CERTAINLY dont want to take the 
>scene to a new level unless it means more money and more fresh little 
>kids for them to dump their drugs on.

Well, if this indeed the case, i will certainly not attend this party... I 
too have been through the troubles of throwing parties on a limited and 
legitimate
budget... yes, the frustration is there!  Besides, the flyer was a bit too 
morbid for my taste... :)

i hope more people will take a stand to only support and condone those 
things truthfully good for scene, because if anything, the faded flyer is 
not a reflection of life's fragility, but of our cultures.

trying to take care,
josh.
-><-

btw- if anyone has heard otherwise about Faded, origins of cash, the 
promoters, etc, plus post so, i would hate to make an uneducated decision!


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>There are plenty of promoters funded by and profiting from drug money.
>Core is the one I've heard the most rumors about, but I have other reasons
>for not going to their parties anyway.

I for one would appreciate any information anyone has about the promoters of 
any party...  One of the problem we encounter as a small undercurrent 
culture is the wide open ability of illegal activities... This is something 
that occurs because we ARE presently not commercialiszed (i.e. buisness' 
throwing parties, etc).  If we WERE, there are laws and regulations to 
protect (not that i think they ever do any good).

bottom line is, since we want to remain 'underground' and independent of the 
dominating market culture, we have to learn to deal with these problems 
ourselves... If we don't, the media will exploit our weakness, and we will 
be dragged above ground, so that things can be cleaned up in an offical 
manner (i.e. police, regulations, party permits, generally bad stuff)


hmm.. i hope that came across right.
josh.


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well, on a happier note than that comment about ed being a communist
*chuckle*...
lucy, mark and i will be at family affair.  so we will see all y'all
there. :)
-becca


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on 6/27 josh sed:
==================================================================
>anyone see the flier for FADED here in columbus?  nice, aint it!
>full color, nice fold-out, etc...
>
>i have a pet peeve about it tho, and wanted to see how you all felt about it.
>
>i have a big problem with fliers that are VERY OBVIOUSLY paid for with 
>drug money (i happen to know this for a fact, in this case).
>
>i mean, here i am, perhaps a dumb-ass, paying for my fliers by pooling 
>money from the other ele mentalsssss and with my measly $5.18/hour 
>JOB...so i SWEAT for my event.
>
>meanwhile there are some people out there who pay for their parties with 
>e hits that they sell for unreasonably high profit margins and which took 
>them 10 minutes to sell.  fair?  of course it is.  i aint bitchin about 
>capitalism which i already know is a piece of shit.
Shown 43%, press <SPACE> for more, 'q' to quit, or 'h' for help
                                                                                
>
>in fact this is capitalism at its best, and as such i have no problem 
>with it.  what i am harping on is that parties/events are becoming two 
>different things: either loving events thrown by people who care about 
>the music and who want to take the scene to a next level (which does not 
>exclude drug users by any means), or tweaked-out drug-runners who may or 
>may not care about the music and who CERTAINLY dont want to take the 
>scene to a new level unless it means more money and more fresh little 
>kids for them to dump their drugs on.

Well, if this indeed the case, i will certainly not attend this party... I 
too have been through the troubles of throwing parties on a limited and 
legitimate
budget... yes, the frustration is there!  Besides, the flyer was a bit too 
morbid for my taste... :)

i hope more people will take a stand to only support and condone those 
things truthfully good for scene, because if anything, the faded flyer is 
not a reflection of life's fragility, but of our cultures.

trying to take care,
Shown 92%, press <SPACE> for more, 'q' to quit, or 'h' for help
                                                                                
josh.
============================================================================

ack! this totally sux & i'm afraid i might've ignited the flame
when ed & i had r discussion of the state of scene @ SOURCE.

this also sux cuz i know the kids that r throwin FADED. yes a
flyer that reads 'we're all gonna die' is a bit negative. but
keep in mind, this is the life they have to go thru.

like i told ed, some don't choose this line of work. they are
born into it. this is the only way they know how to survive.
and they go thru this hell of a life 4 what? so some of us can
feel good @ parties.

but by exposing them & flaming them is hardly any way of helping
them. i think if anything we should show them, look i'm attending
yur event, but i'm not here 4 the drugs. i'm here 4 the music,
i'm here 4 the vibe, & i'm here 4 the people. i'm here 2 show u
that there is hope in the world. and things can change 4 the        
better. this is what being a true raver is about.

if there aren't enuff true kids @ the party showin the new kids
that u don't need drugs 2 have a good time, they'll just keep on
doing it.

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hey all, i just got off the phone with tigger, and he will be at fantastic
voyage!!!!!!  so if you wanna see him, (or me, i'll be there too) :) then go!
ok, have fun...
-becca


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okay folx.  it's time to begin the major pre-party spew on net-meets
directions, admission, etc.

Who's up for Fantastic Voyage?  Any rumors?  Whassup pre & post?

Let the fantastic plans begin!  <Tigger, I *will* get a chance to
say Hi again, right?>

- getting geeked 6 days prior?  guess who didn't go out last Sat...

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 27 19:22:58 1995
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 Hey Guys!!

 Let's DEFINITELY get something going as far as net meets go for Fantastic Voyage!!

 I know that I'll be there, but not at Family Affair, and I REALLY want to make sure I get the chance to meet and see everyone again!!!

 Just to let you all know, that I'm SUPER excited about Monday!!!

 How does a NET meet in front of the Delirium table at 1am, and 2am sound to everyone?? AND IF we decide on it, everyone, PLEASE make sure you show up! I'll seriously cry if I don't get to see everyone!

*hugs-n-smooches*

-Becky =)


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 27 19:38:59 1995
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hey, i talked to kourosh tonight, he is one of the main ppl throwing FV,
and he informed me that sunday night they are throwing a pre party.  and
it is FREE!!!!!!!  it is in the space where emergency on planet e was, a
long time ago, but it's a cool space, in dayton, and i think we all should
go.  so far, on the line-up, is mike huckaby, subgenius, and some of the
guys from zap.  but there are others that might just make it down, and i
think this looks great.  so i will definately be there on monday night,
and the net.meets sound great.  but i think we should really support both
ari and kourosh for all they are doing with bringing us these awesome
parties.  personally i think they aren't getting the respect the deserve,
but hopefully this weekend will prove differently.  i may be cutting short
or cutting altogether my FA trip just to be there sunday night.  ari will
be posting all the info plus directions tonight or tomorrow, so be on the
lookout. :)
peace y'all...
-becca


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hey there. yestarday 274 people were arrested and charged with arson. i
know people who were beaten by police and whose tape recorders were
smashed. don't let this happen in the midwest! 

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> 
> I know its off the subject a little but some things just need to be said.
> Last night a couple of very beutiful ravers as well as my wife went to a
> protest for Mumiam Abu Jamal who is schedualed to be executed in August. At
> the protest a couple of people lit a dumpster on fire but that was the
> extent of the disruption what followed was obcene to say the least.  The
> police followed the protesters and then barred their exit. and started
> beating people as well as arresting people.  My wife told me she was
> watching the woman in front of her getting beaten by the cops and she
> thought she was next. Luckily someone dragged her into a lawyers house just
> to the side. The cops tried to follow and arrest the people in the house
> but the owner/lawyer shouted out that the cops could not come in. So she
> waited four hours as all of the deomonstraters were arrested and quite a
> few were beaten. She saw someone with a video camera have it taken out of
> their hand and smashed by a cop, then the cop beath the protester and
> dragged him away. Police brutality is real. Those cops terrified and
> arrested 300 people like it or not. It happened. I held my wife in my arms
> as she wept with fear and frustration. ALso the papers made it look like
> the protesters were violent and looking for trouble, but my wife told me
> that before the cops tore into the crowd they had been chanting "peace,
> police, peace". It did not stop them. This relates to raves because if
> raves become big enough to be perceived as a threat the same thing will
> happen to ravers that happened last night to the demonstrators. So I would
> suggest that people educate themselves about the police.
> 
> LOVE,
> GABE
> 
> PS-They is a protest tonight in the city to demand the realese of the
> protesters at something called the epicenter in the city. Also you can call
> the SF DA at (415) 553-1752 and tell them to release the prisoners.
> 
> 
> 


-- 
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From: John sin Massive <jedi151@csd.uwm.edu>
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Thanks, for the info, there is so much mystery to the Jungle Ting, that 
the hardest part in getting into the music was figuring out the history.  
We need more people explaining rather then dissing.  Thanks..  We need 
more information like this.

John - da junglist Massive Magazine Flunky


On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Lee Harvey Bobbitt wrote:

> 
>  I blame all this gangsta rap pretention that is creeping into the jungle 
> scene, its bullshit and has no place here as far as I'm concerned.  I 
> think its basically a ploy by record companies to market jungle to a 
> wider audience. Which seems ridiculous because jungle is far more about 
> true hip-hop as far as I can see, and since jungle tends to be lacking on 
> the "rox, guns, and ho's" crap i don't see the average white suburban 
> wanna-be gangsta <the primary buyers of gangsta rap> staying interested 
> for very long.  Which is of course what we want...
>  As far as the 'tude goes, you gotta realise its a style of music that 
> originated in a very HARD part of the world, West End London. Yes there 
> is a general attitude going, and it is very, very real for these people. 
> This is where the ruffneck style originates. I don't think its a bad 
> thing, though perhaps intimidating at some level. Personally I think its 
> a matter of being confident in yourself more than trying to scare people. 
> Peace, love, unity.. all very noble goals, but on the other hand not what 
> the original junglist is living with on a day-to-day. Which means you 
> have to take in the last of the PLUR formula, respect. If you were 
> surrounded by all sorts of forces trying to take yours, how would you 
> react? This might not be the best time to run up and slap a sticker on 
> someone... But openly looking someone in the eye, a sincere smile on yer 
> face, and asking "what up?".. This goes a long way towards breaking down 
> that wall.
>  Rudeboy is not about trying to offend. Its about living how you wanna 
> live <LARGE> and just not giving a fuck who gets upset. Most junglists 
> i've met really don't have to much of a grasp of the original rudeboy 
> image, which comes from the ska/reggae/rocksteady/dancehall/etc. scene. 
> Check out "the Harder They Come" a very cool movie, with Jimmy Cliff in 
> the starring role if i'm not mistaken. This is the epitome of the style, 
> a style adopted by british mods and now junglists to some extent. i think 
> this may be more apparent in the London jungle scene, which seems more 
> attuned to the reggae roots of this whole shebang. I certainly hope to 
> find out when i get there, anyhow...
>  i'm just waiting for the day when this all comes full-circle, jungle and 
> ambient dub <don't get me started on this one> back to hip-hop and 
> dancehall. Imagine Studio One releasing jungle, Greensleeves releasing 
> ambient. The mind boggles...
> 
> 
> stay true,
> 
> Ted
> 

From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 27 22:41:06 1995
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hi, anyone on the lists who cant make it to columbus on fri, please check 
on vrave because we will be running to it live from our event.

tony ramos is setting up the whole deal, look for his username <aramos> 
followed by the name of whoever is typing.

excpect to be able to talk to paul johnson and dan bell, who are our main 
dj's.

please check in if you want to talk to us, make fun of us, call us 
commies, or give us a smooch...:)
++
e d

e l e  m e n t a l 


"movin up to a better time"--kingSize

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	Anyone know when rusticII is happening? 


		shub		



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                                  FANTASTIC VOYAGE
                                  Monday,July 3rd
Line up:

                  ARENA#1        ARENA#2       ARENA#3
 9:00-10:00        tba            tba           tba
10:00-11:00        tba            tba           tba    
11:00-12:00        Mars         Goodwill       Dietrich
 12:00-1:00   David Hollands    Astroboy       Dan Bell(dbx)
  1:00-2:00     DAVE ANGEL      Terry Mullan   Heckle&Jeckle
  2:00-3:00     DAVE ANGEL    LAURENT GARNIER       | 
  3:00-4:00    JJ Jellybean          |         JOHN ACQUAVIVA
  4:00-5:00     Dieselboy            |         DJ DAN    
  5:00-6:00     Phantom 45           |         Sleepy c
  6:00-7:00 			     |	
  7:00-8:00                          |  

  				
 			Out Door Ambience:
			  MATTHEW HAWTIN
 			    FULLBRAIN
                              POLARIS
                 		and more.

Pre-party to be announced soon.


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	Just to over my two cents,
	
	Is it neccesarily wrong for a promoter to fund their parties using 
	drug money? In my opinion, no. Drugs are an undeniable part of the
	rave scene. I feel if the promoters uses this money to throw their
	parties, so be it. I do feel that it isn't right for a promoter to 
	throw the party solely to sell their drugs though.
	In all honesty though, I can't say I'd boycott their parties even if 
	they did. If they have an incredible line-up and a history of throwing
	descent events, I'll go. For all I care, they can be hitmen on the
	side. It's not my concern how they make their money, but it is mine
	how they throw the party. 

	As for the communist comment, I assumed it was either sarcasm
	or blatant stupidity. I couldn't decide which.

	Sinceremente,
	+) kiwi - 

-- 
Stephen Roberts   | The only ground we as socially deviant children         
Purdue University | have to stand on is the Underground.                       
Philosopher       | 

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Last epsiode, Lee Harvey Bobbitt cried out [edited using my descernment]:

> I blame all this gangsta rap pretention that is creeping into the jungle 
> scene on a ploy by record companies to market jungle to a wider audience.
> Since jungle tends to be lacking on the "rox, guns, and ho's" crap, I don't
> see the average white suburban wanna-be gangsta <the primary buyers of 
> gangsta rap> staying interested for very long.  
	Agreed. For jungle to be big in the US it needs to be perverted into
	something that it's not, marketable. 

> As far as the 'tude goes, you gotta realise it's a style of music that 
> originated in a very HARD part of the world, West End London. Yes there 
> is a general attitude going, and it is very, very real for these people. 
> This is where the ruffneck style originates. Rudeboy is not about trying to   
> offend, but living how you wanna. It comes from the ska/reggae/rocksteady
> dancehall/etc. scene.
	Agreed, once again. People who are threatened by the jungle attitude 
	don't understand where it's coming from. 

>  i'm just waiting for the day when this all comes full-circle, jungle and 
> ambient dub <don't get me started on this one> back to hip-hop and dancehall.
	Speaking of hip-hop, I read a very interesting arguement by Goldie.
	To summarize, it bascially said that America is riding jungle's tip
	just like it rode hip-hop's when Society first heard of it. I think 
	this is true. I think that jungle has yet to truely blow-up in America.
	When it does, you'll be seeing "Jungle Mix USA" cd's for sale on tv.
	That's sad, but Goldie pointed out that when the hype dies down, just
	like hip-hop, it'll come back more mature and even better. That's gonna
	be true becuase I feel that jungle is a very dynamic style of music.

 	As for why happy hardcore hasn't caught on here, you got me.

	+) kiwi - 


-- 
Stephen Roberts   | The only ground we as socially deviant children         
Purdue University | have to stand on is the Underground.                       
Philosopher       | 

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Does anyone own (or have any experience with) a Martin 2308 (joystick)
 controller,  (controls roboscans androbocolors)?

Looking for someone to trade info back n forth regarding some problems with this unit.


Delray

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       natural system SOULED OUT fridays
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ok, all those of you who were concerned about the high price of the 
event, i have talked to brian of UPS, and he has said that the price was 
always going to be less on sunday!  so those of you who are only going to 
go on sunday, the event will be $14 instead of $28.  in fact, if they 
cover their budget it may even be less!

he apologizes that there is not a "saturday only" price, but he also said 
that it would be impossible to police.  think about it:  how would you 
guarantee that people wouldnt just buy a saturday ticket and just stay 
for the whole event?

besides, consider this:  it is two days long.  it is essentially like 
paying for a $10 event each night, plus $8 camping.  i think this is 
entirely reasonable.

hopefully this will encourage those of you who were iffy on the event to 
reconsider.

plus, saturday night, there is a good possibility that the hip hop band 
FUNKDOOBIEST is playing live...they have arranged their flights already...
++
e d

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This is what the massa' Ted hath written:
> Joey Martin didn't do shit, other then what he always does. Take your 
> money... Seriously I have had the misfortune of doing business with this 
> guy and believe me when i say he is not to be trusted. His interest in 
> the scene is based on one thing -  profit. Vultures need to get the fuck out.

On the contrary Ted, Joey played a big part at IO.  If it wasn't for him, with
the help of the immortal Ross and myself *gloat* :P, it wouldn't have been re-
located.  I agree that Joey is not the best friend of lot of people, but he
didn't pull a Uplift and leave the situation; `he stuck with it and you know
the rest.  Just thought I would retort.

mint

______________________________________________________________________________

			Kick that funky beat yeah!
______________________________________________________________________________
Scott "never too much cheese" Bartlett		Lexington, KY



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>
>	Just to over my two cents,
>	
>	Is it neccesarily wrong for a promoter to fund their parties using 
>	drug money? In my opinion, no. Drugs are an undeniable part of the
>	rave scene. I feel if the promoters uses this money to throw their
>	parties, so be it. I do feel that it isn't right for a promoter to 
>	throw the party solely to sell their drugs though.
>	In all honesty though, I can't say I'd boycott their parties even if 
>	they did. If they have an incredible line-up and a history of throwing
>	descent events, I'll go. For all I care, they can be hitmen on the
>	side. It's not my concern how they make their money, but it is mine
>	how they throw the party. 
>
>	As for the communist comment, I assumed it was either sarcasm
>	or blatant stupidity. I couldn't decide which.
>



Word. 

Nuff said.

Markus J.




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Sorry to break into the multitude of current threads running around, but
I've had a question nagging for a while and I'm curious about what others
have to say.

        Obviously in rave culture, as with anything else, there is a
certain style and fashion that tends to go along with it.  ie, baggy pants,
tight shirts, whatever.  My question is this, exactly how important is
fashion to people out there who are involved in the party scene?  Is it a
big part?  Do you worry about what you are going to wear?  Do you look down
upon those who don't 'look the part'?  I've seen instances where people
where harrased when their attire didn't meet up to current 'fashion specs'.
What are others thoughts on this?

And last but not least, how do people dance with those HUGE chain wallets?
I mean, chains hanging past you knees?   ;)




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
                                 web collective/beatPHREAKsociety



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hey there...just wondering what the cost is for fantastic voyage...
maybe a net discount???  

                ...devin       
 ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu  
        ..."TriPtoNitE"

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i dislike the fashion aspect that has become part of the rave scene.  it 
speaks of elitism which is not what the scene started on or should 
contain.  the scene is about the grooving to the music and people.  it 
matters not what you wear, how you dance, what your background (ie, race, 
sex, religion, dj, promoter, etc) is, what your physical attitributes 
are, or how much money you flaunt.  the fact that people are judged by 
those things (let alone judged at all) is distressing.  it really matter 
not whether you are wearing a brand new addidas jumpsuit or are barefoot 
with hole-y jeans.  the energy comes from within.  

whether behind the tables or dancing on the floor, i look for smiles and 
people having a good time.  as long as they are happy grooving to the 
music, i don't care if you have big packpack or small one, if your pants 
are baggy or tight.  clothing should be a matter of comfort and function, 
not a way to judge someone.  break the cycle.

plur,
ben sunshine

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The future is................
The Unseen...................


peace,
nm

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			FANTASTIC VOYAGE PRE-PARTY
			SUNDAY JULY 2ND

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The trial date that I'm aware of for people pleading Not Guilty to
the charges that came out of the Whirlygig bust is at 8:30am on July 14th.
It would be great for kids who didn't get tickets or weren't involved in
the bust at all to show up with the kids who are set to be tried.  This
would do a couple of things.  Number one it would be some nice support
for the kids on trial, but more importantly it would really screw up the
police attempt to control the situation there and would slow down the whole
thing making it an even more unweildy situation for the 36th district
court than it is already.
I would like to extend a thanks to the police force for making us a 
more solid community also.  I met quite a few other ravers at the 
arraignment who I otherwise wouldn't have spoken to.  The police are helping
build a stronger foundation for the Detroit scene and bringing us together
in opposition to their persecution for the sake of publicity.  The number of
people I saw meeting eachother and talking about all of this was incredible
at the arraignment.  The police are shooting themselves in the foot and 
don't even seem to be aware of what they are doing.

Anyway, help put a few more sticks in the spokes of the trials' wheels.

8:30am, July 14th
at the 36th District Court - 421 Madison Ave in Detroit,
It's a couple blocks east of Grand Circus by Gratiot and Randolph.

-> Xenotrope

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If anybody posts something about this not being relevant to this list, I 
am going to rant... And i'm sure none of us wants that to happen, right? 
Just a warning.. 8)

Ted


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I agree with Stevie so long as the people aren't throwing the party to 
sell their drugs... And especially something that dangerous.

Ted


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I saw Joey taking money at the gate. This is not a responsibilty he 
should be trusted with. According to JJ that place was a backup site from 
theget-go, but I have no idea what happened.   I was entertaining about 
20 people in my basement apartment, plus trying to get info to people at 
the club <throwing open the doors of the club for free was pretty cool> 
and give directions over the fone. We also recycled passes from one car 
to the next cause people weren't going to get in...

Ted


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BEGIN QUOTE FROM Josh Garrett:
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: 
: The trial date that I'm aware of for people pleading Not Guilty to
: the charges that came out of the Whirlygig bust is at 8:30am on July 14th.

What exactly were the charges (assuming they were all common)?



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I think fat baggy pants are nice to dance in. I found this out from 
skating in them. I don't pay a lot of money for them or anything, usually 
its thrift-store $3 shit.. Same with shirts, cheap soccer shirts and all 
that. Shiny fabric. I'm trying to make my own now, and you know what its 
not THAT hard. Highly recommended.

I don't dress this way because of raves, sometimes I wearstuff 
specifically for blacklights but other than that.. I dress like this all 
the time.

Ted


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At 02:37 PM 6/28/95 -0700, Ben Sims wrote:

>whether behind the tables or dancing on the floor, i look for smiles and 
>people having a good time.  as long as they are happy grooving to the 
>music, i don't care if you have big packpack or small one, if your pants 
>are baggy or tight.  clothing should be a matter of comfort and function, 
>not a way to judge someone.  break the cycle.

That's all good and all, but clothing and fashion serve some more auxillary
and useful purposes:

                1 > Allows people to identify with one another outside of the
                    realms, so to speak.  IE, you know that kid in the phat Q
                    pants hanging out in front of the slurpEE machine at the
local 7-11 is prolly a raver.  Hence, the clothing binds
                    you to instant community and the chance of opening
                    communications with other unknown people in the scene.

                2 > Chubby pants are way easier to get wild in.  Not to mention
                    erections are easier to camoflage in baggy pants.

                3 > Clothing provides a common thread in the scene and binds
                    you to it.

I've existed in a couple of different music scenes throughout my sorry ass
life, and I've never seen one case where clothing and fashion has slaved
people to conformist behaviour.  I think the whole notion that you have to
dress different to be different is silly and obnoxious.

I don't find much wrong with dressing a certain way to "fit in".  If it
makes you feel more at ease, so be it.  I do, however, find it wrong losing
identity to "fit in".  But I really, REALLY, have never seen that happen.
At all.

My .23 worth.

earache


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while we're on the subject of fashon, etc., anyone with a good mail-order
catalog with any cool shit, please mail me. thanks:)

eric

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> 
> I've existed in a couple of different music scenes throughout my sorry ass
> life, and I've never seen one case where clothing and fashion has slaved
> people to conformist behaviour.  I think the whole notion that you have to
> dress different to be different is silly and obnoxious.

i don't beleive you have to dress different to be different.  i just 
dislike like when people belittle others becuase they didn't dress a 
certain way, nor do i like the idea that you _must_ dress a certain way to 
be accepted.  yes, clothing is useful in id-ing others outside the raves, 
though now the fashion world sells these clothes in the malls and many 
buyers are either are ignorant of the scene (which is fine cuase mabye 
they might want to discover it) or distain the rave scene which the 
clothes came.  this is also the case with skater wear which is closely 
alined with raver wear but the scene branch from there. 

later,
ben sunshine 
> 
> I don't find much wrong with dressing a certain way to "fit in".  If it
> makes you feel more at ease, so be it.  I do, however, find it wrong losing
> identity to "fit in".  But I really, REALLY, have never seen that happen.
> At all.



> 
> My .23 worth.
> 
> earache
> 
> 

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respect from the DUB SHACK in chicago.  there are indeed misconceptions about
the jungle scene in the midwest.......

the jungle scene has taken fully 5 years to get the way it is today in london
town.  it is very hard for the average raver to come out of a trance or house
set and immediately get into the jungle.  people in the midwest have been
exposed to the 4-beat style of gabber for so long that there has been quite a
bit of resistance to this form of music by most in the midwest rave scene.
 jungle is challenging to listen to at first because at this stage it is a
hybrid of the 
hardcore/house sound that has been slowly speeding up for years in london.  

the use of live MC comes from the ragga/dancehall side of the music
that has developed as well over the past 5 years.
as far as the "attitude" an mc brings...the role of the mc is to big up the
dj and control the pace by linking the dj with the crowd.
the chatting is based for the most part on the dancehall style where
mc's battle for the crowds attention and get them jumpin'.
the mc's ultimate job is to get the crowd to pay attention to what is being
dropped by the dj and to get them more excited....

unfortunately this is the complete opposite of what a trance dj is trying to
accomplish.  their job IMHO is to create a seamless wall of sound that you
can get lost in.  at least the best trance djs are able to do that.  so you
go from a dj that is trying to help you get lost in the sound to a dj/mc team
that is trying to get you to be involved 
by paying attention to what is happening.  this is only my take on this so
please keep that in mind.  the music is very challenging for those who do not
listen to it often and this can be a bit disconcerting 
when the trance groove of 120 bpm is replaced with the mash up 
drum programming and 160 bpm of jungle.....YOU'VE GOT TO WORK TO FIND THAT
GROOVE...and this to most people into jungle is the most exciting and
exhilerating aspects of the style.
for those who are not interested in working to find that groove,
jungle is a pain in the ass.  
personally i think jungle is incredible but i also can see that there may
never be the type of acceptance to this style on the rave scene 
that gabber and techno have had....thats ok.
dub shack has a library of jungle tapes and can get any of you sorted
on the sound if you are interested.  our tapes are $6.00 postage paid.
E us with your street adress andd we'll get a catalog out to you.

respect, mate   (oh by the way...you hear it at 160 but groove to it at
80bpm)   :)

scott
dubshack
chicago



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ohmigod... i am hyperventilating already.  i am gonna have to do so much 
running around!  oooh!  it's all just too exciting for words... see you 
there!:)

/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/
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On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, KOUROSH MORADMAND wrote:

>                                   FANTASTIC VOYAGE
>                                   Monday,July 3rd
> Line up:
> 
>                   ARENA#1        ARENA#2       ARENA#3
>  9:00-10:00        tba            tba           tba
> 10:00-11:00        tba            tba           tba    
> 11:00-12:00        Mars         Goodwill       Dietrich
>  12:00-1:00   David Hollands    Astroboy       Dan Bell(dbx)
>   1:00-2:00     DAVE ANGEL      Terry Mullan   Heckle&Jeckle
>   2:00-3:00     DAVE ANGEL    LAURENT GARNIER       | 
>   3:00-4:00    JJ Jellybean          |         JOHN ACQUAVIVA
>   4:00-5:00     Dieselboy            |         DJ DAN    
>   5:00-6:00     Phantom 45           |         Sleepy c
>   6:00-7:00 			     |	
>   7:00-8:00                          |  
> 
>   				
>  			Out Door Ambience:
> 			  MATTHEW HAWTIN
>  			    FULLBRAIN
>                               POLARIS
>                  		and more.
> 
> Pre-party to be announced soon.
> 
> 

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On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Justin Morgan wrote:

> And last but not least, how do people dance with those HUGE chain wallets?
> I mean, chains hanging past you knees?   ;)

   Pretty easy, it just swings around a wips everybody in the knees until 
somebody beats the crap out of you and you tuck the chain in you 
pocket.  Kinda like my dreds. ;>
   No, by my experiences actually it really doesn't make much of a 
difference, you just dance, and that goes for the dreds and the chain...


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Here is what Ear "the phunky mix-massa'" ache said:
>                2 > Chubby pants are way easier to get wild in.  Not to mention
>                     erections are easier to camoflage in baggy pants.

This is probably why almost all of the guys wear them.. :P (refering to the 
latter)


> makes you feel more at ease, so be it.  I do, however, find it wrong losing
> identity to "fit in".  But I really, REALLY, have never seen that happen.
> At all.

I have witness the losing of a person's identity (in entirety) by this.  I dont
have any aversions to it what so ever.  I guess I am a behaviorist of some sort.
I believe that a persons mores is all composed by outer influences.  I am a 
perfect example.  I am nothing like the person I was say several years ago.  I
was some dork with hand me down clothes that was pretty much anti-social.  Now
Im a social dork with money for decent gear; and I am not disappointed with my
changing.. its just that I really identified with people older than myself and 
I wasn't introduced to that "crowd" until I wenmt to high school.  I wouldn't
say that people do it to fit in... they just change to thier changing enviro-
ment; that's all.  I have lost identity with OLD friends that I wasn't around
for awhile because of this; but as long as they are happy... I have my 
mammories.. er.. :P

mint

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	Do I know how to change the subject, or what?
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That is why I like events like Even Further and the camp outs.  Sure you 
get all your goofy dressed fashion freaks, but by the second day either 
they have gone home, or EVERYBODY looks like shit!@

John Sin. Massive 

Proud that he didn't do one! Hygenic thing at even further!  NOT ONE!  
(no I didn't piss in my pants)

On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Ben Sims wrote:

> 
> 
> i dislike the fashion aspect that has become part of the rave scene.  it 
> speaks of elitism which is not what the scene started on or should 
> contain.  the scene is about the grooving to the music and people.  it 
> matters not what you wear, how you dance, what your background (ie, race, 
> sex, religion, dj, promoter, etc) is, what your physical attitributes 
> are, or how much money you flaunt.  the fact that people are judged by 
> those things (let alone judged at all) is distressing.  it really matter 
> not whether you are wearing a brand new addidas jumpsuit or are barefoot 
> with hole-y jeans.  the energy comes from within.  
> 
> whether behind the tables or dancing on the floor, i look for smiles and 
> people having a good time.  as long as they are happy grooving to the 
> music, i don't care if you have big packpack or small one, if your pants 
> are baggy or tight.  clothing should be a matter of comfort and function, 
> not a way to judge someone.  break the cycle.
> 
> plur,
> ben sunshine
> 

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My little suggestion is to read about Milwaukee's GRAVE bust.  You might 
just be able to get rid of all those tickets.


On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Josh Garrett wrote:

> 
> The trial date that I'm aware of for people pleading Not Guilty to
> the charges that came out of the Whirlygig bust is at 8:30am on July 14th.
> It would be great for kids who didn't get tickets or weren't involved in
> the bust at all to show up with the kids who are set to be tried.  This
> would do a couple of things.  Number one it would be some nice support
> for the kids on trial, but more importantly it would really screw up the
> police attempt to control the situation there and would slow down the whole
> thing making it an even more unweildy situation for the 36th district
> court than it is already.
> I would like to extend a thanks to the police force for making us a 
> more solid community also.  I met quite a few other ravers at the 
> arraignment who I otherwise wouldn't have spoken to.  The police are helping
> build a stronger foundation for the Detroit scene and bringing us together
> in opposition to their persecution for the sake of publicity.  The number of
> people I saw meeting eachother and talking about all of this was incredible
> at the arraignment.  The police are shooting themselves in the foot and 
> don't even seem to be aware of what they are doing.
> 
> Anyway, help put a few more sticks in the spokes of the trials' wheels.
> 
> 8:30am, July 14th
> at the 36th District Court - 421 Madison Ave in Detroit,
> It's a couple blocks east of Grand Circus by Gratiot and Randolph.
> 
> -> Xenotrope
> 

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Here is what the inFAMOUS jp typed:
>         Obviously in rave culture, as with anything else, there is a
> certain style and fashion that tends to go along with it.  ie, baggy pants,
> tight shirts, whatever.  My question is this, exactly how important is
> fashion to people out there who are involved in the party scene?  Is it a
> big part?  Do you worry about what you are going to wear?  Do you look down
> upon those who don't 'look the part'?  I've seen instances where people
> where harrased when their attire didn't meet up to current 'fashion specs'.
> What are others thoughts on this?

Like I stated in the last post.. I think this is just the molding (i refrain
from the word conforming) into one style occurence.  I personally dont go as
so far as to wear sizes 50+ pants.. but I have never considered myself in-
ferior of any magnitude.
just my other thought on this.


> And last but not least, how do people dance with those HUGE chain wallets?
> I mean, chains hanging past you knees?   ;)

<shrug>
my is very short because I think the chain was obnoxious.  The only reason why
I have one is because I kept losing my wallet and a good friend got me one.
friends are cool!

mint

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On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, John sin Massive wrote:

> That is why I like events like Even Further and the camp outs.  Sure you 
> get all your goofy dressed fashion freaks, but by the second day either 
> they have gone home, or EVERYBODY looks like shit!@
> 
> John Sin. Massive 
> 
> Proud that he didn't do one! Hygenic thing at even further!  NOT ONE!  
> (no I didn't piss in my pants)
> > 
>>>>Personally, I wear whatever is comfortable. Whether I wear huge Q 
fats and rib huggin' elvis shirt or not so huge Hilfiger pants and 
shirt...its all good. I dont care what people wear because it's no 
concern of mine what other's fashions are nor is it anyone else's concern 
what I wear.

   The only problem I have with "rave" fashion is those damn MASSIVE 
t-shirt that I never seem to escape. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!! AAAAAHHH!!!


comfort is the key to all happiness,

frankie/MASSIVE gangsta

(Not to create any hype about Massive, I was just kidding)


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On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Ben Sims wrote:

> 
> 
> i dislike the fashion aspect that has become part of the rave scene.  it 
> speaks of elitism which is not what the scene started on or should 
> contain.  the scene is about the grooving to the music and people.  it 
> matters not what you wear, how you dance, what your background (ie, race, 
> sex, religion, dj, promoter, etc) is, what your physical attitributes 
> are, or how much money you flaunt.  the fact that people are judged by 
> those things (let alone judged at all) is distressing.  it really matter 
> not whether you are wearing a brand new addidas jumpsuit or are barefoot 
> with hole-y jeans.  the energy comes from within.  
> 
> whether behind the tables or dancing on the floor, i look for smiles and 
> people having a good time.  as long as they are happy grooving to the 
> music, i don't care if you have big packpack or small one, if your pants 
> are baggy or tight.  clothing should be a matter of comfort and function, 
> not a way to judge someone.  break the cycle.
> 
> plur,
> ben sunshine

	People can totally get into what they wear and how they wear things
and also present a good vibe too... I totally dig people wearing crazy shit.
But yea..i guess there are a few who can get big headed if they think
they are too cool for anyone. 

    daniel k. taylor      |  "...I feel much better now."
    tech135@menudo.uh.edu |      HAL 9000, from 2001:A Space Odyssey       
    tech137/daniel on hyperreal.com 7283


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 29 00:47:23 1995
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From: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chris Sattinger)
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>i dislike the fashion aspect that has become part of the rave scene.  it 
>speaks of elitism which is not what the scene started on or should 
>contain.  the scene is about the grooving to the music and people. 

Just to toss the thought out:   isn't clothing an expression of self,
identity, style:   a way of communicating ?   Is it neccessarily only an
elitism or a surface level obsession ?    Clothing can speak quite a bit.  
I don't particularily get off on a basic addidas uniform, I like innovation
and flair, and I don't dress like a raver at all, but then I dress like me.
I might add that Justin is also well dressed as himself. :)
I somedays wear jeans with holes in it, sometimes black jeans, sometimes
sweatshirt: all of these are subtle signals of what I am grooving on at
that moment, what I am trying to send out (or what doesn't stink too bad
actually).

Chris Sattinger             _
                        MONO ekagra  EP  (Probe 12"  Out now, for chissakes
!  Go get it !),
                                TIMEBLIND  Timeblind EP (Communique double
12 " )
                            KEEK (Head in the Clouds 12", coming)  
                                        Timeblind : Oujia board through a
vocoder ep
                                                        
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   The promoters of Faded asked me to post their response to the rumors
that have been discussed on mw-raves.  Enjoy.




     Exile productions would like to extend our thanks to Ed Luna for his
lack of consideration to our privacy.  We respect Ed's views and opinions,
but question his actual intentions.  Although Ed states he knows for a fact
the legitimacy of our finances, I can assure you that Ed has never inquired
to me or my two partners about Exile's completely legitimate finances.  But
you must ask yourself, why is Ed suddenly so compelled to voice his
opinions on parties financed illegitimately?  Someone with a little insight
might think that Ed is jealous of the Faded flyer and feels threatened by
Exile's commitment to quality in Columbus.  Well rest assured Ed, Exile's
intentions are pure.  Exile is certainly not interested in spreading rumors
about other production companies.  Exile's greatest wish is to help further
our scene and the positive aspects of it.
     In response to those who felt that the faded flyer is negative, I
would like to remind them of how many artists through time have been
persecuted for someone else's inability to see beauty in something dark.  I
really thought more people would appreciate Faded's origionality and
substance.  Faded is a celebration of our existance in the midst of eminent
destruction.  In truth, this flyer expresses the most positive desire of
all, hope.  The hope that homosapiens will survive the atomic age that they
created.  In the face of death Exile is throwing a celebration of life, you
can't get more positive than that.
     Comments, criticizms, and praises are appreciated and considered.

Respect to those with an open mind
 and an eye for change
Anthony Franchini
Exile Productions




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>(or what doesn't stink too bad
>actually).

Yeah tell me about it ;)

earache


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>                2 > Chubby pants are way easier to get wild in.  Not to mention
>                    erections are easier to camoflage in baggy pants.

huh? if i wanted to hide an erection, I'd rather do it in tight pants to
avoid that baseball-in-your-boxers look.

oh wait, this is not rave related! ok let's try again...

huh? if i wanted to hide an erection at a rave, I'd rather do it in tight
funky pants to avoid that glowstick-in-your-boxers look.

arrr arr ar!

bamboo
nib@dlogics.com


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Subject: TUNNEL VISION *IMPORTANT REQUEST* (fwd) 
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Forwarded message.. Please read.

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Joe LeSesne <raver187@m-net.arbornet.org>
> To: Pittsburgh-Cleveland Rave List <pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com>,
>     North East Rave List <ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu>,
>     Midwest Rave List <mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu>
> Cc: District of Columbia Rave List <DCRAVES@AMERICAN.EDU>
> Subject: TUNNEL VISION *IMPORTANT REQUEST*
> 
> ATTENTION FOLKS:
> 
> 
> Da Jive Turkeyz and interested allies have been monitoring the airwaves 
> and found out that such a LEGENDARY party as Tunnel Vision has quickly 
> become the media's latest whipping boy. (Not all the media, just KDKA-2's 
> biased coverage.) 
> 
> It seems several residents of the ELliot section of Pittsburgh, the area 
> where Tunnel Vision was held have begun a campaign to "bug the hell" out 
> the city to take *SOME* action against the promoter's: UnderGround 
> Productions, Inc.
> 
> 
> Now we are pretty much in a do or die situation or perhaps I should say, 
> talk or die. You see, the City of Pittsburgh granted the permits for the 
> event to UDG in keeping with the mayor's support of raves here. Most of 
> the people here had no problem with the event, however a few of these are 
> citizens of a depressed area representatives and ardent defenders of the 
> "status quo". Consequently, they are well angry at such an enlightened 
> city administration. They are at this moment inundating the mayors office 
> with complaints.
> 
> 
> WHAT CAN YOU DO?
> 
> 
> 
> Well I am basically asking for you to do the same thing and voice your 
> support for the mayor's office granting of the conditional usage permit 
> for the tunnel.
> If you EVER atteneded a UDG party you KNOW these are promoters with good 
> hearts who throw excellent parties ie: Transcenedence I, Transcendence 
> II, and Freee. If you have EVER attended a UDG event I think you are 
> obligated to call the mayor's office. Even if you never attended a UDG 
> party or a Pittsburgh rave in general but simply have an interest in the 
> health of our scene here and support the mayor's open mindedness in such 
> a close minded city then you SHOULD CALL.
> 
> 
> WHERE DO I CALL?
> 
> Call 412.255.2626. That is the mayor's office and the place to direct 
> your support. Beware that the line may be busy so keep trying. 
> 
> What should I say: Basically that you support the granting of permits for 
> the film shoot/party and that you think it was a good thing for the city 
> to do to promote itself.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help in this. I really appreciate it. Every phone call 
> counts and I urge you and your friends to consider what an excellent 
> scene we have here. Lets not lose it to media-enhanced paranoia. Again 
> thank you for your help in this.
> 
> joe
>    
> 
> 


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Forwarded message.. (one more after this)

> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 00:17:21 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Joe LeSesne <raver187@m-net.arbornet.org>
> To: Pittsburgh-Cleveland Rave List <pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com>
> Cc: North East Rave List <ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu>,
>     District of Columbia Rave List <DCRAVES@AMERICAN.EDU>
> Subject: You gotta fight for your right to party...
> 
> 
> Ok folks, sorry for posting this again but this is dead serious. I got off
> the phone earlier this evening with Jay Wells and he informed me that when
> he called the mayor's office and pledged his support for the City's
> decision to grant permits for Tunnel Vision the woman instead of just
> laughing and hanging up or brushing him off said, "Thank you, I'll add
> that to the tally."  What this means is what I thought all along. The
> mayor's office is keeping track of calls for and against Tunnel Vision. 
> What does this mean? 
> 
> Well if you were one of those people that said, "yeah I'll call" but 
> didn't because you thought someone else would do it or a friend of yours 
> already called then PLEASE*PLEASE* call and voice your support. As I 
> said, Mayor Murphy is a fair guy and he believes strongly in democracy.
> 
> Some basic facts: 
> 
> * According to most news reports there were 50 complaints called into the 
> mayors office
> * According to most reports and UDG the attendance of Tunnel Vision was 
> around 2,000.
> 
> Simple fact is that those complainers are far outnumbered. IF WE VOICE 
> OUR SUPPORT. If we stay silent then it's AS GOOD AS SAYING THAT THOSE 
> PEOPLE WHO COMPLAINED WERE RIGHT AND WE WERE WRONG.
> 
> IF you are one of those people who say, "I don't get involved in 
> politics" then I hope you look at the true fact that YOU ALREADY ARE. If 
> you enjoy going to raves in Pittsburgh then you are now part of the "rave 
> problem". You must voice you support of the Mayor's office even if you 
> don't like him, even if your parents don't like him, etc, etc.
> 
> This is NOT about politics. It's about self preservation. Every single 
> species, social group, religion, nation, etc has the right to defend 
> itself and avoid becoming annihilated. If you care about the scene you 
> will put your apathy aside and DO THE RIGHT THING.
> 
> What should you do?
> 
> first off:
> Call these folks:
> 
> The Mayor's Office - 412.255.2626
> and
> City Council - 412.255.2142
> 
> Tell them you support the Mayor's office's granting the permit for Tunnel 
> Vision.
> 
> Stand up and be counted or be trampled underneath the status quo.
> 
> joe
> 
> 
> 


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Forwarded message (last one!)

> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:31:22 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Joe LeSesne <raver187@m-net.arbornet.org>
> To: "Washington D.C. Rave List" <DCRAVES@american.edu>
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list DCRAVES <DCRAVES@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
> Subject: Re: You gotta fight for your right to party...
> 
> On Thu, 29 Jun 1995, Mark Pflaging wrote:
> 
> > well, i think it is a good cause (heck, i was even *there* and i had a
> > pretty good time), but i have a question...  the question is not directed
> > at joe, but to any list-members who might have insight.
> > 
> > does this pertain to people who do not live in or around pittsburgh?  i
> > mean, isn't this an issue to be hashed out among the residents of
> > pittsburgh themselves?  the way your emails sound, everyone from anywhere
> > in the country (abroad?) should call the pittsburgh mayors office even if
> > they've never been to pitt in their lives.  that doesn't seem *quite*
> > right to me.
> > 
> > understand, i fully support the scene and yes, calling the mayors office
> > is a good idea, for people in the pitt area.  but i think you're not
> > playing on an level field if you tell all your friends from around the
> > country to call pittsburgh.  am i wrong?  if so, why?  i suppose all those
> > *opposed* to the tunnel vision permits could enlist the help of *their*
> > friends around the world, do you think that that would be fair?
> > 
> > i'm just trying to get a perspective on this thing.  after all i haven't
> > seen any of the news stories, and it's hard to imagine how this would
> > directly affect me, a dc-area raver.  i'm not saying pittsburgh doesn't
> > matter to me, but... it matters a lot less to me than say dc or
> > baltimore...  shall we start talking "domino effect"?  :)
> > 
> > hmmm.  i guess just the fact that i was there, i bought gas & donuts &
> > coffee (for which i paid local tax) & paid the tolls, means i am at least
> > indirectly involved in the politics there.  so i guess i should call,
> > right?  what about those who were not there?  should they call?
> 
> 
> Mark,
>    You are a fine example of why such a message was cross posted. Many of 
> the people there were from out of town and not on the pb-cle-raves list. 
> Many however, like yourself are on Ne-Raves and DC-Raves. It should 
> matter to you as a DC rave, as a Baltimore raver as a Kalamazoo raver. 
> Just as the Criminal Justice Bill has reprecussions world wide so does 
> this have reprocussions regionally.  If the same thing had happened after 
> a Baltimore party I attended I would call th Baltimore's mayor's office 
> because WE ARE A COMMUNITY. And as such we HAVE to STICK TOGETHER. While 
> we may not all live in the same place, have the same religion, have the 
> same skin color, have the same relatives; things which define a 
> traditional community we are as much a community as the small section of 
> Pittsburgh that complained to the mayor's office. While you may  feel 
> this doesn't affect you or it isn't your right to say what happens in 
> some other city if you look at the fact that we are a community that 
> doesn't recognize class, ethnicity or silly things like city/state 
> borders then the answer is yes. If you are part of this community of fun 
> loving people and care what happens to others in your community then I 
> expect you call 412.255.2626 and say you support the mayor's office in 
> granting the permits for Tunnel Vision. 
> 
> Listen, a wise man once said: "If we don't hang together we'll all hang 
> seperately."
> 
> If you let one city fall then they will ALL fall. 
> 
> Look at LA, Detroit, Chicago, NYC recently, hell, even DC's PG county. If 
> you don't want to see raves virtual end as we know them (Read: pushed 
> into the confines of a club.) then you will do the right thing and 
> support your sisters and brothers in vibe wherever they may be.
> 
> joe
> we have the brains
> we have the technology
> lets put it to good use
> 
> 


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C. Jason Clark
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Fashion. Hmmmmm. A touchy subject.

I've always found that a loose t-shirt and a pair of shorts is the most comfy
rave-wear possible. I like plain colored shirts with nothing printed on them.
That way I advertise for no one. (unless it's my Elmo with the acid on his
tongue T-shirt :)))))

You can usually tell when people are wearing what they are for fashion sake.
Just look at their face. If it's fashion, they either look 1. Nervous (gee, I
hope I look cool) or 2. Cool & Untouchable (I am _too_ cool for you). I guess
it's not a bad thing - everyone wants to fit in. To me, I could care less what
people thought about me. If people want to judge me, oh well, I still have a
hug and/or smile for them. They'll learn.

So it's on for Fantastic Voyage!! Family Affair would drain my bank, so maybe
I'll go hang out at Deer Creek.

Peace
Love
and
Dancin'
to Beautiful Music


J-Sun


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About the 2. Cool & Untouchable thing...I guess I might fit in thatr
(that) category.  I guess I dress in "rave" fashion...but then again, just
what is rave fashion anyways?  I've seen all kinds!  The most common,
and probably the one we're talking about is the baggy fit look, witih
a tight t-shirt...But, there're also tight spandex suit wearing
people, costume wearing ppl...nah, I suppose we're talking about the
people who dress the same daily, and that's the baggy demin, with tight
t-shirt, (and the chain wallet for those that apply)...OK...now, to my
point, which I am getting too far away from.
	I don't want to go into a rave dressed in tight jeans and
some margarita mix t-shirt just to look different.  Jeez.  I mean,
to look different at a rave, you really have to go out of your
way!  You'd have to dress (shall i say...) normal!  And walk like you
have a stick up your arse. =)
	Now, about the ppl who are doing it for fashion's sake.
There was a post earlier about people being "too cool 4 u, and
untouchable" or something like that....Well, I'm not a super happy
smile all the time raver!  Sometimes, I'm pissed at parties
because it gets so hard to breath around all the smoke.  Sometimes,
I'm pissed because I had a shitty day, but I'm trying to have fun
at the party and get my mind off things.  Sometimes even, I'm sick
of getting hugged and kissed by people I don't know.  Now, I know
that a big part of this is accepting people you don't know, but come
on!  I can't take having people with acid breath getting in my face
all the time going "I'm flippin' man!  let me rub your arm! I'm
flippin' out!"  or the pacifier girls going  "I'm Eeeeeeeeeeeeeing
sooooooo haaaaarrrrrdddd!!!"  It gets old and stupid to me.  So,
if someone isn't super happy and smiley all the time, don't assume
they think they're cooler than everyone, but rather, maybe this is
their way of doing it, and a simple smile in their direction would
be nice, or hand them a blow pop or something.  But all this hugging
and touching stuff can bug some people out.   (I love getting hugged
and stuff, but usually it's cool with people I just met, or people
who I know...it's a little odd when some chick with a pacifier
and pink hair that <i don't know starts hugging me)...anyways...I think
I got my idea across...time for the next post to hit your monitor.
---ben (page/CYLeRT on v-rave) (dayton =)

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Brian Jacoby wrote:

>   Pretty easy, it just swings around a wips everybody in the knees until
>somebody beats the crap out of you and you tuck the chain in you
>pocket.  Kinda like my dreds. ;>
>   No, by my experiences actually it really doesn't make much of a
>difference, you just dance, and that goes for the dreds and the chain...


When I've tried, I've ended up injuring myself.  Burly chrome steel chains
banging into your knees is not a delicious experience.  Painfull, actually.




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
                                 web collective/beatPHREAKsociety



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page@simon.wustl.edu wrote:

>Now, I know
>that a big part of this is accepting people you don't know, but come
>on!  I can't take having people with acid breath getting in my face
>all the time going "I'm flippin' man!  let me rub your arm! I'm
>flippin' out!"  or the pacifier girls going  "I'm Eeeeeeeeeeeeeing
>sooooooo haaaaarrrrrdddd!!!"  It gets old and stupid to me.  So,
>if someone isn't super happy and smiley all the time, don't assume
>they think they're cooler than everyone, but rather, maybe this is
>their way of doing it, and a simple smile in their direction would
>be nice, or hand them a blow pop or something.  But all this hugging
>and touching stuff can bug some people out.   (I love getting hugged
>and stuff, but usually it's cool with people I just met, or people
>who I know...it's a little odd when some chick with a pacifier
>and pink hair that <i don't know starts hugging me)...

        Amen.  It's just odd when people you don't know come running up to
you obviously on something and are instantly your  best friend.  I value
relationships that don't have their roots based on artificial stimuli, ie x
or acid.  Also, my facial expression is an inherited trait.  Thank my very
German mother for the 'grumpy' face I'm usually wearing...  I think Earache
shares it with me as well ;)

        Large clothes are COMFORTABLE.  They don't STICK to you when you
are hot and sweaty from dancing.   They have large pockets for things.
They hide erections.  (earache's problem)  I have one story to share,
however.  In febuary, some friends and I went to  a party in Duluth.  There
was a girl there with a drop bass t-shirt on.  She also had tight (really
tight) jeans on.  It looked like she was new to the scene.  Some of the
infamous 'groove girls'  decided to chastice her about her clothing and her
knowledge of the scene.  Just because of her clothing.  Obviously, fashion
is overly important to some.




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)
                                 web collective/beatPHREAKsociety



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>>>>>>>>>>>(I love getting hugged
>>>and stuff, but usually it's cool with people I just met, or >>people
>>who I know...it's a little odd when some chick with a pacifier
>>>
>>> that <i don't know starts hugging me)...Well, >>I'm not a super happy
>>smile all the time raver!  


I  agree!!!!!!!!!  Some people just want to dance (b2b)
in a nice dark space all night  on a music high...................

later,
nm



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Being that the 14th is a friday and all
perhaps you should think about throwing
a party---free if you show up at court
......or better yet maybe a happy little
house party the night before and just
all go out to Denny's and on to the
courthouse in the morning.....might
pull in the out-of-towners....like me :)

*giggle-----------------kimberly

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	Just to offer my opinion:

	Every youth based movement in the 20th century has had it's own
	style of fashion. Fashion is a statement.             
	"This is who I am."                      
	With fashion, you are able to convey what type of person you are
	without saying a word. Or, what type of person you want to be.
	Since fashion is so easily copied, those who aren't of that movement,
	can dress like it for the sake of being "in".
	Call it eleetism or whatever, but it pisses me off when I see some
	person who isn't in the Scene attempting to look like a raver.
	It's gonna piss me off to no end when our Scene gets assimilated
	into main stream Society and beaten to death like grunge. 

 	To conclude:                                               
			fashion is cool
			fashion is money
			fashion can be sold and mass produced
			fashion is shit
	
	Fashion doesn't make a Scene, the people do. 

	Sinceremente,
	+) kiwi - 
-- 
Stephen Roberts   | The only ground we as socially deviant children         
Purdue University | have to stand on is the Underground.                       
Philosopher       | 

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well, i knew i was taking a risk saying anything about these blokes.  my 
intention was not to start a flame war, however (thankfully that has not 
happened).  nor was it to start a political "battle" between promoters in 
columbus.  that would simply be pathetic.  considering how small the  
scene is here, and considering he fact that i do NOT consider myself a 
"promoter" by any means.  i laugh at the very idea!  MY intention is to 
bring people together: people i know, people i dont know, people i 
should know, etc...in a celebration of music, friendship, etc.

if this makes me a "promoter," then so be it.

now, as for FADED...certainly, i am jealous of the nice flyer.  but let's 
get things straight:  you do NOT need a $3000 flyer to throw a party
(i am assuming the cost was in that neighborhood, as i cannot see any 
other way to do full color on gloss paper.  of course i will never find 
out).  this may be a "personal" preference but i do believe it is true.

and i (we) have EVERY RIGHT to question the necessity of such a needlessly 
expensive flyer, "artistic intentions" notwithstanding.  i (we) have EVERY 
RIGHT to interrogate WHERE the money for such a flyer is coming from.  WE 
SHOULD ALL BE INTERROGATING where our "promoters" are getting their  
money, and then supporting those whose policies we are down with.


my apologies to EXILE...i do owe them an apology in the sense that i made 
statements that were intended to harm them, at least indirectly.

remember, however, that these discussion lists are a forum for debate among 
only a handful of rave attenders, and that the notable LACK of net 
presence at events in the recent past have led me to believe that 
netravers are a dying minority (and it is just this kind of stupid shit 
which is one of the main reasons FOR the downturn of net attendance).  
THIS IS THE AUDIENCE I WAS TALKING TO, not the "scene" at large.

and if you, anthony, are so concerned about you "reputation" being 
tarnished even before your first event, i apologize for contributing to 
the aura of sketchiness which might now surround your cru, partially 
because of me.  but from a business standpoint, let's get real.  the 
people on these lists make up less than 1% of the people you see at 
raves.  so dont sweat it.  you have plenty of people (who may or may not 
ever have touched a computer) who will be at your event.

and if i am accused of "shit talking" of which i certainly am guilty (and 
make NO apology for), it is mitigated by the fact that i am talking to 
an intimate group of MY peers, many of whom know me and know my posts, and 
my commitment (and HARD LABOR) towards moving us toward a better, cleaner, 
more honest "scene."

anthony, i do not know you.  in a town as small and in a scene as "thin" 
as this one is here in columbus, this in and of itself speaks volumes. 


re the "atomic age shit"...i actually like it.  it _is_ positive (like 
anyone cares what i think). 

P(retzels)
L(ava lamps)
U(nderwear)
R(omper room)
!
!
++
e d





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Anyone know what the spinning times look like for FA cuz it looks like i may
have to leave late sudnay evening or very early monday morning but i dont
wanna miss some of the dj's....mmm....mainly, who's spinning on saturday
night and sudnay night?

thanks...
 
ps..anyone from chicago going?

Lucy


   


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C. Jason Clark
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

On the schedule, there is not a time for when System 7 is playing. Are they
still gonna be there?

Also a while back, I'm pretty sure it was posted that this was to be a $15
event, but on the Louisville voice mail last week, it was stated that it would
be $20. Which is it?

 peace
        love
             unity
                 respect
     beautiful music

j-sun...


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> 
> Also a while back, I'm pretty sure it was posted that this was to be a $15
> event, but on the Louisville voice mail last week, it was stated that it would
> be $20. Which is it?

One of the illuminator voice mail lines says that it will be 20 dollars. 
and no pre-sale tickets.


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					 to disobey unjust laws"

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Anybody else find it *interesting* how many posts have been prompted
by the whole "rave clothes" discussion, as opposed to *any* other
single topic in recent memory?

I'm sorry, what was I thinking?  After all, none of us really cares
or judges others based on what they wear, *right*?

P(ackaging)
L(ivery)
U(niforms)
R(aiments)
!
Therefore I.M. lightening up now...

--
___________________________________________________________________________
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ae890@detroit.freenet.org   sober and quiet the mind thus rendering it 
                            susceptible to divine influences." -- John Cage

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  !!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!!
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Date:    Thu, 29 Jun 1995 8:56:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: PAGE@SIMON.WUSTL.EDU
Subject: RE: mindless drivel... (tips on sewing and embroidery)
To: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com

Ok...my first mw-raves post.  here goes...
About the whole fashion issue:
1. beauty is a big part of the "scene" (oh jeez, at least I didn't say
	culture).  I wear big baggy jeans, I paid alot of money (didn't
	make it selling drugs) to buy a pair of jeans that had Q
	sown on the ass, and I wear dressy button up t-shirts...Does
	any of this make me a better or worse raver? Not really, no.
	I just like to boogie and "look cool", and this is how I do it.
	I also think that baggy clothing make s you look like a better
	dancer because ... well, just because.
2. I finally got to meet with the Illuminators of Dayton after spending
	a year watching the st louis scene try to rebuild itself.
	Let me say that these guys have their shit TOGETHER!  After
	seeing so many parties thrown/promoted on drug money, by
	avid drug users (that frequently get busted...with their
	super-love star vibe), it's nice to see people who can do this
	with clear heads and get everything right.  <---one reason
	that level headed, non drug swinging promoters are BETTER than
	the other freaks who can't think of anything buy x'ing, or is
	it e'ing?!  or both...or flippin', or snortin', or the whole
	mess of crap.  right...
3. Anyone think it would be cool to throw a party of all small mw dj's?
	Like the ppl who haven't really built up names for themselves,
	but spin much more intersting sets because they have to to get
	future jobs...Just curious after reading about so many people
	discovering less-known dj's (esp the jungle ones) who tear shit
	up.  (devil girl, you rock =)
4. See everyone at Fantastic Voyage, I don't know if I can dish out
	$28 for one night of dancing and 6 hours in the car.  (saturday
	only)
5...hope you all dug it.
---ben (page/CYLeRT  on vrave)



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Well, after talking to a few people who were at Whirlygig and the
arraignment, it's starting to look like the Detroit PD stepped
into a big ol' pile of doggie doo with this one...


Among the lowlights:

-  Several witnesses saw cops counting up and dividing the money
   they confiscated.  The promoters have stubs for all of the
   tickets they sold, so any discrepancy between the amount that
   appears on the police seizure sheet and the actual amount they
   took should be easy to demonstrate.

-  The police perfomed a cavity search on a 15-year-old girl,
   without a doctor or a female officer present.  This blatantly
   contradicts the laws regarding invasive searches, especially
   with a minor being involved.

-  The cops beat up guy in a wheelchair, presumably because couldn't
   raise his hands high enough in the air to satisfy them.

-  After taking the minors downtown, the police released minors to
   people they didn't even know -- they didn't ask for ID in many
   cases.  A 15-year old little brother of an acquaintance of
   mine was released into the custody of an adult who produced
   no ID.  Once again, this is a violation of police conduct rules
   with regards to minors.  The mother of the aforementioned
   teenage is [and I'm quoting my "unnamed source" here :) ] "a real
   bitch: she _loves_ to sue!"

-  (unconfirmed) The police have thus far been unable to provide
   any proof that there was any alcohol in the venue.  Since
   so many of the tickets were issued for liquor law violations,
   this is a pretty big thing.

-  The presiding judge at the arraignment was seriously pissed at
   the cops for flooding her courtroom with the cases.  Plea
   bargains were offered to the defendants by the city attorney's
   office, but the judge refused to accept guilty pleas.

-  Bill Bonds wants to interview the promoters :)  [Detroiters will
   understand why this is so funny]

--



dave walker, detroit art services                             _
marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com                          born freeke

<A HREF="http://www.msen.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>



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Anyone think it would be cool to throw a party of all small mw dj's?

    ---yes i do. and i apologize to whoever i called a communist....i was in
a pissy mood...my bad.

eric

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FANTASTIC VOYAGE
JULY 3RD MONDAY


answer to 1st: The price is $20.

answer to 2nd: SYSTEM 7 aka 7 7 7 will be at the event 100%
	we have already spent quite a bit of money on their equipments
	for their live performance.  They will be in Detroit working
	with Carl Craig on some future projects for this weekend only.
	So they WILL be at our show! 

The price for this event was originally going to be $25 but due to price
complaints and presale tickets not being available in all cities we decided
to sell the tickets at the door for the presale ticket price. ($20)

The pre-party which is on Sunday July 2nd.  Will be FREE FREE FREE!  
It includes camping all day and night.  This will be a quality pre-party.
After all..... we have to get you ready for the  FANTASTIC VOYAGE!

If you have ANY other questions please feel free to write back.

The one and only Arash.

and oh ya chris too.

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i was just wondering where the rave reviews are...
anyone have a review for meltdown in chicago this
past weekend...even a review of tunnelvision in
pittsburgh would be nice.  anything???  thanks 8*)


                ...devin       
 ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu  
        ..."TriPtoNitE"

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on 6/29 devin sed:
==================================================================
i was just wondering where the rave reviews are...
anyone have a review for meltdown in chicago this
past weekend...even a review of tunnelvision in
pittsburgh would be nice.  anything???  thanks 8*)


                ...devin       
 ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu  
        ..."TriPtoNitE"
=================================================================

oops forgot to post it on the mw-rave list, didn't think they'd
care about a pittsburgh party judging by their responses 2 an
akron party. but here's my tunnelvision review...

well we (jenn, tara, ellie, nick, shane, patrick, susan, & myself)
got there kinda late cuz we decided 2 wait 4 mike (my x-roommate)
2 close up @ deep records. so the 8 of us were all packed in jenn's
station wagon. walt, who had delayed us earlier, was in another car
w/ his female friends. and mike had rick (dreamer), kevin (gank),
and carol (girley girl) in his duster. and of course our caravan
got broken up, but eventually we got 2 the party @ around 2:30am.
i don't think walt & his car made it to the party 'til about 3am, 
they got kinda lost.

i wuz kinda surprised the party was easier 2 find than some ohio
parties have been (cough, limbo, cough). 4 some reason i had pictured
in my head 3 lane tunnel as in 3 different tunnels. but it was 3
lanes. one tunnel. i don't know what i was thinking. but never
the less 3 lanes make for one big tunnel. not only was it wide
but it was long. it seemed like the lasers went on forever when 
i 1st entered the tunnel. 

unfortunately like most tunnels it was kinda dark & it was kinda
hard 2 see. so when i 1st walked in i totally didn't see this
guy lieing on the ground. i just about killed myself when i tripped
over him. but what really killed me was when i discovered this
guy was butt naked! later on when the naked guy got up & joe 
was chasing after him, i knew this party would be legendary! i     
wonder if the naked guy wuz the same guy @ SOUL way back when who
wuz @ the bottom of the hill playing w/ himself while everybody
cheered him on. my 1st thought wuz hmmm should i snap a picture
of this wacked out guy. i wasn't sure. so i asked this girl who
was standing by him @ the time. she sed no. so i didn't. but now
i'm not sure if i made the right decision. but i guess, a friend
of mine, amy from akron snapped a shot of him.

well my 1st desire wuz 2 find out just how long this tunnel wuz.
so i walked, and walked, and walked. this tunnel was huge. it
must've been to hold 1700 kids! eventually when i got to the end,
i stepped around the plastic that the laser made it's designs
on & walked outside where a huge crowd of kids were chilling to
the nice cool air (it was pretty hot in the tunnel).
atleast here u could actually see some faces. this is where i
recognized brian, jay, & the other SUGARKIDS from youngstown,
jesse, kurt & the geneva crew, brian, bobby, & the UPS crew,
shannon, yoshi, tony, & the columbus crew. there wuz alot of
ohio kids @ this party. i also met up w/ a few pitts friends 
like joe, natalie horne, rick worth, damian, & that girl @ LIMBO
who i wuz tryin 2 help locate damian 4 (sorry i'm terrible w/
names). if there wuz a net ravers meeting, i didn't know about
it. so i regret not being able 2 meet anymore of u pittsburgh
net ravers. if yur wonderin who i wuz. i wuz that kid w/ the
white 'foot joy' visor snappin pics of all of u dancin by the
dj booth. sorry if my flash blinded u. but think of it this way..
1 second of pain 4 an eternity of fame (uh yeah right stevie, as
if PLRM is that big of a magazine!). 

uh oh yeah the music. well since we got there so late. i missed
most of it. apparently lonnie had a phat set. kinda bummed i 
missed it, but i more than made up for it by finally meeting
lonnie thanx 2 joe & interviewing him 4 the upcoming PLRM.
all i can say is lonnie is a true inspiration 4 me. i've gone
2 so many of his parties but i never met him. i'm glad i finally
did. and i'm also glad i found a raver who wuz older than me
(well by one year).

unfortunately while i was interviewing lonnie i missed out on
some sets. but judging from the music & the cheers in the 
background of the tape of my interview w/ lonnie, i know 
speedy from las vegas had a phat set. later on i got 2 meet
him 2. this guy is so cool, he's totally got that west coast
vibe surroundin him. he was so nice he gave one of his mixed 
tapes 4 free. and let me tell u, this tape is good! flawless
mixing! keen music selection, dancer friendly house tunes w/
an occasional acid sample & beats 2 keep yur booty bumpin 
- good stuff! twas all i listened on my long drive back. that
& the scott henry mixed tape, which i finally got @ the party.
u don't know how long i've been trying 2 get a scott henry
mixed tape!

but the set of the night definitely went to SUN. as soon as
his beats came on, i was pulled toward the dj booth. snapped
a few photos of the SUN god & even jumped on the floor 4 a
little bit. i rarely danced that night. but this was the set
that got me 2 throw down (when nobody wuz lookin, of course!)
what can i say, the light @ the end of this tunnel was
definitely the SUN. and just like @ EMERALD FOREST, the sun
came up as SUN spun. jason finished off the party & i watched
him the whole way thru. it's incredible watching the dancers
respond to this man's selection of music.

there was an afterparty w/ a huge swimming pool. we stopped
by 2 check the location out. but regretably we couldn't stay
cuz tara & ellie had 2 work the same day. but i'm sure the
afterparty went off as well as the party did.

huuuge props 2 john, lenny, & the rest of the Underground Inc.
crew. sorry i didn't get 2 meet u guys, but i'm sure y'all
were 2 busy anyways. and oh yeah, one more thing, fuck the
media!

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The charges that came up from Whirlygig are:

1) Disorderly Conduct
2) Loitering  in a place of Illegal Occupation (Blind Pig)

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J. Clark asked...

>On the schedule, there is not a time for when System 7 is playing. Are they
>still gonna be there?

Yes Jason, they will be performing. 

We have might have to change some sets around, the schedule that we posted
is subject to some minor changes, but as far as System 7 goes, 
they should be performing somewhere around 1:30 to 2:00 a.m.

Tikets will be $20.00 and you can get them at the pre-party sunday night
and monday during the day at the pre-party location.

There will some additions to the lineup.  The time schedule 
of all the rooms will be avalible at the pre-party and at the door. 


Have safe and a fantastic voyage,

thanks,
Kourosh

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Anyone hear anything about TRANCE PLANTS going on in Madison on Saturday?

Is Last Minute in Milwaukee gonna go all nite?

Anyone know of any clubs in the Milwaukee or Madison areas that play good 
House, trance, acid, techno, etc on Saturday or Sunday?  I just wanna do 
some dancing this weekend....

later...
	 ...adam

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How is the medis covering this now that it is apparent that the cops
were way over the line?  Naturally, if the cops had been somewhat
justified in their actions, the media would have used it to slam
oue culture.  But, since thats not the case I'm guessing the 
media is likelt to back off of the story.

Since I don't live in Detroit I don't know thehigh profile media 
people to call.  Hopefully the correct calls will be made to the media
so that this incident gets the coverage it deserved now that the cops
seem to be the ones in error.

This whole incident seems like blatant harrasement.  I hope
the lady who is likely to sue sues the cops individually in
addition to the dept.


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			FANTASTIC VOYAGE
			Directions

FROM THE NORTH:

Take I-75 south to I-70 east to EXIT 59 (Clark County Fairgrounds)
from the exit ramp take a left and the fairgrounds will be on your
left. You can not miss it.

FROM THE SOUTH:

Take I-75 north to I-70 east to EXIT 59 (Clark County Fairgrounds)
from the exit ramp take a left and the fairgrounds will be on your
left.

FROM THE WEST:

Take I-70 east to EXIT 59 (Clark County Fairgrounds)
from the exit ramp take a left and the fairgrounds will be on your 
left.

FROM THE EAST AND NORTH EAST:

Take I-71 south to I-70 west to EXIT 59 (Clark County Fairgrounds)
from the exit ramp take a right and the fairgrounds will be on your 
left.


Stay Tuned For Pre-Party Directions and updates.

Arash.

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		FANTASTIC VOYAGE FREE-PARTY
	Sunday July 2nd

line up as of friday june 30th:

	MIKE HUCKABY
	OD
	MR. KLEEN
	DAVID HOLLANDS
	SCOTT RICHMOND
	GOODWILL
	TREVOR LAMONT
	TITONTON 
	MONOCHROME
	DRIFT
	DOUGH BOY
	DJ TROLL
	DJ KIMEYAN
	DJ LETTUCE
	MARVIN
	BEN from st.louis
and still more to be announced at the party.
don't forget it's FREE.
CALL (513)496-1021 FOR DIRECTIONS.

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OOPs......
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Subject: Job Offer..in San Francisco

Whats up!!??
Im posting this here even though it isnt very party oriented.. but maybe I
can help someone out with a job!!
We here at the mag. range from age 19-30 all from diverse backgrounds......I
am from Detroit and was heavily into the party scene there, our photo editor
and managing ed. use to work at Thrasher...................

Well.. the magazine I work for is hiring!!(lifestyle/technology
magazine...demographic 18-26)
This is an INFORMAL posting just to get the word out.
We are looking for a special person for a "special" job.
The job is for  someone who just graduated(from any college)
recently(1yr.-??) or someone who has strong skills(previous experience) in
marketing..pr..very outgoing etc....
The job is a full time "college rep. coordinator".(pay is somewhere between
22-26 a year)
VERY Brief description: you would research college campus's for college rep.s
who would organize parties and such to promote the mag. in return for free
stuff. Basically you will be the creator of this position(DIY)

If you want  to know more you can e-mail me or contact Miles Hurwitz(the
publisher)  at  415 974-5050

Blast Publishing(creators of blaster mag..... new mag.to come out soon!!)
330 Townsend Suite119
San Francisco,CA 94107
415 974-5050
fax 415 974-5151
ps........will accept hard copy resume or e-mail resume
Thanks for your time.............
later,
nancy mitchell


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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 30 19:06:34 1995
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Subject: Re: Directions To Family Affair?
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on 6/30 brad sed: 
===================================================================
I really want to go to Family Affair this weekend but I'm not sure where
it is.  Does anyone have directions from Cleveland?  Also, does anyone
know when the Trance or Acid House-influenced dj's are going to be
spinning?  I'm not sure I can attend both days and would like to plan
my weekend around the lineup.

Thanks alot.

Braden Albert
===================================================================

ok here r the direx 2 FAMILY AFFAIR again:

FROM THE INDIANA & KENTUCKY AREA:
71 north. 76 east. 77 south

FROM THE MICHIGAN AREA:
90 east. 71 south. 76 east. 77 south

FROM PITTSBURGH & ALL PTS EAST:
76 west. 77 south

FROM ALL POINTS SOUTH & THE CAROLINAS:
77 north

                                                                                
then from 77
exit on Foe rd (exit 99)
make right off exit
go 1/2 mile west on Foe rd.
go 2.5 mile south on Sherman Church Rd.
go 1.5 east on Hawch rd (sp?)
look for signs for Bear Creek Campgrounds
go to the ampitheatre & yur there

don't forget net ravers meeting @ the DELIRIUM BOOTH
@ 2am & 3am and again the next day @ 2pm & 3pm.

also look 4 the new issues of PLRM there.

i was unable 2 get a hold of brian 4 the lineup schedule,
he's really busy. but if u have any questions whatsoever
u can call riff raff, his store, @ 216.376.1644.

i'll also leave direx on my v-mail 216.556.1485.

hope 2 see y'all there, especially u taj w/ yur caravan
of ne-ravers.

plur,

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From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 30 19:29:32 1995
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Subject: Re: This weekend (Trance Plants)
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Here's the flyer info for Trance Plant.

Saturday 06.01.95
Sun Productions - Trance Plant
100% Legal Outside Venue - Indoor Backup Space

DJs:                                                            Live PA:
Mindrive - Madison                                    Mmmmm - Milwaukee
Godiva - European Trance
Jedidiah - Milwaukee
Grandma - Nomadic Universe

Experimental Filmwork - Bubblicious & Les Moore
Sound/Lights - Cybertribe & Stevesound
Free Vegetarian Breakfast - By Kudzu & Others


From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 30 21:17:13 1995
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From: Messiah Of New Generation <jwasie2@icarus.cc.uic.edu>
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Subject: Is babylon worth anythin?
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hey!
is anybody going to babylon tomorrow (chicago)? i dunno if its worth to 
go there. pleez tell me whos gonna spin and if theyre good.
i want to take my camera to take some pictures of net-ravers. i want to 
show in poland how the midwest people are.
hopefully see ya tomorrow!!!!
janek (WASIO)

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From: Messiah Of New Generation <jwasie2@icarus.cc.uic.edu>
To: mw-raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.com>
Subject: who wants to receive a postcard from poland?
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hey its wasio one more time:)
ill go to poland in the end of july till the end of august (ill be late 
for school:). if somebody wants to receive a postcard from poland ill do 
it with a great pleasure! just send me your address and for sure ill send 
you a nice-crazy postcard from poland.
janek (WASIO)

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