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Well, none of my friends wanted to go, so I wound up driving myself.
Got there about 11:30.  Easy to find.  Big three-floor warehouse
that looked like they used to sell furniture?  Dunno.  1st floor
was a chill-out area, with drum circle, some kind of weird
refreshment bar, a lone video game, and the bathrooms.  2nd floor
was the "main" floor, with the music, two smart bars, etc.  I
didn't go up to the 3rd; I don't think we were allowed up there.

Hot.  Very hot.  Almost _Suck_ hot.  Rather like _Reality_ hot.
Warm enough so that I was dripping sweat just standing still when I
arrived.  Pah.  Coming down with a rather nasty cold, I was all
drugged up as it was on Sudafed and as much caffeine as I could handle.
Any other "enhancements" were out of the question.  I'd rest until
Keoki came on.

Sat there bouncing my head and _really_ enjoying the relentless
breakbeat of JJ Jellybean's group until about 4:00 AM, when Keoki
started.  Snuggles was good, Phantom 45 was better, and Phantasy
was incredible (IMO).  Really wicked hard breaks.  I'm sorry I was
sick, 'cuz this stuff was really good.

While I was sitting there, not dancing, I had a chance to look
around a lot more than I usually would.  Although the visuals
weren't everywhere, what they had was excellent!  Four seperate
film loops (these _were_ scattered around), _four_ Vipers in an arc
above the speakers, two big strobes, and one mo-fo kick-ass
please-why-don't-we-see-more-of-this badder-than-bad green laser.
Oh, and I guess to go with the "Fuse" motif, one of those little
things that looks like TV rabbit-ear antenna that has an arc of
electricity going up the wires.  "Keen".

Looked like the same speaker cabinets from the main barn at
_Earth_, 'cept less of them (but seemingly better less-boomy
sound).  Plenty loud for the size of the room.  I guess I would
have liked it a little louder (hey, these _were_ the same guys that
put on _303_ :-).

Keoki came on with about two or three breakbeat songs; I guess to
not throw people off too much?  Then he began his set.  His
beautiful, acid-house/trance kick-ass set.  Pulled dancers out of
the woodwork, 'cuz he totally packed the dance area.  I danced my
way up to the speakers but my cold had other ideas... I had to stop
when I couldn't breathe and got light-headed and dizzy.  Oh well.

Left about 5:45.  Collapsed in the car for 15 minutes with the air
conditioning on, and revived myself to the point where I could
drive home.  $15, but I felt incredibly worth it.  Ripe sure can kick out
some decent parties.  THANK YOU, GUYS!  Keoki was*GREAT*.  But the guy I'm
looking forward to is Robert Armani onthe 13th... :-) !!  Sorry for the
disjointed writing... I'm awfully sick.  :-(

See 'ya.

Craig L. Stodolenak
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Craig L. Stodolenak muttered something about...
::
::BUST-FREE:  security by bonefied Police officers

Ergh.  Buyer beware.  Caveat emptor.  Your mileage may vary.  Do not try
this at home without parental supervision.  COD.  ASAP.  


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Craig L. Stodolenak muttered something about...
::
::Don't miss this special event.  This is the first of ONLY 2 RARE ORB club
::appearances in the U.S. before their appearances at WOODSTOCK '94.

BTW, just so I don't forget to post something about this, if you're
interested in the real skinny on the new&improved (sic) version of Woodstock
check out last week's issue of the Village Voice.  Good article about the
corporate sleazoids who running this 'event.' ~$135 per for entry.  Doesn't
sound anything like Woodstock to me.


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>Hot.  Very hot.  Almost _Suck_ hot.  Rather like _Reality_ hot.

Yes pretty hot indeed :) good think there was this rooftop to chill-out
every once in a while.

>Although the visuals weren't everywhere, what they had was excellent!
>[...]
>Looked like the same speaker cabinets from the main barn at
>_Earth_, 'cept less of them (but seemingly better less-boomy
>sound).  Plenty loud for the size of the room.  I guess I would
>have liked it a little louder (hey, these _were_ the same guys that
>put on _303_ :-).

I don't think the sound/light combo could have been much better. When they
really wanted to crank it up, the whole building shook pretty hard.
Excellent! and oh those lasers!

>Keoki came on with about two or three breakbeat songs; I guess to
>not throw people off too much?  Then he began his set.  His
>beautiful, acid-house/trance kick-ass set.  Pulled dancers out of
>the woodwork, 'cuz he totally packed the dance area.

Keoki did not spin long enough IMHO, but oh well. Traxx was very good too.

>$15, but I felt incredibly worth it.  Ripe sure can kick out
>some decent parties.  THANK YOU, GUYS!  Keoki was*GREAT*.  

we arrived there (ChillyWilly, Nate, Krista and I) around 3am and had to pay
$7 only. Thanks to the Ripe guys to inform us, on the info-line, that it would
be a jungle/ardcore event until 3:30AM, way to go! So we checked out Peace
before that, cauz it had an excellent house line-up, but when we arrived there
they were closing the party cauz supposedly "the cops are coming soon". What
did they mean? did they have a psychic in the attendance. Well, we decided to
go to Fuse then and don't regreat it. Great vibe/people... 8/10

>But the guy I'm
>looking forward to is Robert Armani onthe 13th... :-) !!  Sorry for the
>disjointed writing... I'm awfully sick.  :-(

Sorry to hear that you're sick, but ya know you might become even sicker if
you miss Spastik on the 13th to go see R.Armani :P
Spastik will be THE event of August, the year, the decade, aarrhhh!
U guys wanna carpool from Chicago to Detroit? I know Nate does, and maybe
Adam, ChillyWilly, Stu, anyone?

bambi
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On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, Sho Kuwamoto wrote:

> Andrew Bennett <abennett@hyperreal.com> writes:
> > acid toy Once Upon a Time Said :: {reformated for easy reading}
> > > 
> > > Anyone out there that owns Lite Music (the 
> > > original release of JtB)? Jam the Box is not the good track from Lite 
> > > Music... 
> > 
> > "Jam the Box" was getting a lot of press in the UK mags a few months 
> > ago.  It's a very good song too.  Don't knock it until you have tried it.
> 
> Not only is Jam the Box a good track, but the remixes on the
> 12" sound nothing like the Lite version.
> 
> BTW, Carl Craig is god.  

Amen.

Speaking of god, check out Carl Craig's remix of "Forces" by
Esser'ay (Kevin Saunderson) on KMS.  More funky hard-as-nails
housecore. 

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marmoset@msen.com                              freeke robot luv




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On Aug 1, 13:09, Steven Kim wrote:
> Subject: Orb?
> Nate -
> 
>    Whazzup?  How was fuse?  Hey - I'm wondering if you were planning on
> seeing the Orb when they come in on the 9th...
> 
> later,
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>-- End of excerpt from Steven Kim


I was wondering the same about you.  That's why I forwarded that post
(afraid you would have deleted it).  I'd love to go.  

Fuse was cool.  As Bambi posted, we went to a small loft party called
"Peace" beforehand.  I went, originally, with some people from the
leri list (after catching the Omnimax festival at the Museum of S & I
-- cool-ass movies, btw, not to be missed) so I got there well before
Bambi and Bill did.  Peace was dope as hell, there was so much energy
there (although, in a lot of ways, I felt on the outside of it.
Everyone there seemed to already know each other).  But everyone was
getting *so* excited about the music.  They actually started moshing
(involuntarily, I guess).  They were just so excited that they
literally started bouncing off the walls and off each other.  It was
really cool to see.

After the party broke up (someone looked out the window and, I guess,
saw the cops out front) Bambi, Bill, Krista (who Bambi and Bill had
met in a bar) and I went to fuse.  Thankfully, since we got there so
late, they lowered the price to $7 -- very cool of them.  When we got
there (3:30) they were still spinning breaks and continued to do so
for about an hour or so.  The breaks were really good and I could
actually dance to them this time (I don't know whether this is a
change in me or in the style being spun).  I saw old friends (Hi
Malcolm, Holly, Sam, Tim [where was Sue?], Dan, modE [thanks for the
ride], and others [I'm sure] who don't come to mind right now) and met
some new people (no netters, tho).  I danced some, though I didn't
have that much energy.  Unfortunately, as the music was gettin' just
*wikkid* I had to leave (I had to go to a Buddhist Meditation for
Religion class at 7:30).

In all, the night was fun as hell and I'm excited to finish out this
summer with some of the dopest events to come aroud the bend. :)  Come
to my afterhours for Orgasm and Atlantis here in Chicago next weekend.
I'm *so* excited. :D :D
-- 
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fuse was a huge success, 1000 people attended... the space was great... the
music was jungle and drum and bass from 11 until 4 with brilliant sets from
the CHA selectors as well as dj phantasy from london and ruffneck from
toronto... the evening wound down with stuff by on-e (piss off u stupid cunt),
keoki, traxx, and mystic bill

mike


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Apparently, they'll also be in Pontiac, MI the following night.  More
details as I get them.

| Dave Walker, Detroit Art Services (DAS)                                |
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I saw the cover for L.A. Hardcore.  Nice cover!  =)  Wanted to get it, but can't  
find it anywhere.

Well today i convinced Camalot to take Lords of Acid back.  (THANK GOD!)   
and i'm getting a good replacement, but i don't know which.  Should I get  
Orbital, or Kraftwerk?  (Those are the two decent one's i remember seein')
If you have the answer please e-mail me, because i get these only in digest  
form, so i wouldn't have your post till tommorow.  I'll be going to the store  
between 7 and 8pm probably.

thanx in advance.

wkbaran

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Hey.

I went to Hypnosis in Madison this weekend.  It was on a farm outside of
Madison-- I think tickets were about $12.  Fairly decent crowd, considering the
Chicago party Fuse was going on.  Highlights were probably LL Bishop and John
Keesen.  Wow.  Cops showed up a few times-  once they found the Nitrous tanks
but couldn't do anything because they were licensed and there was some sort of
medical technician on site or something (!)

   It was good to see Hypnosis go off as well as it did.  The Away Team lost
money but are still satisfied with the outcome.  It's good to know that the
scene is improving in Madison after a long lull.  2 succesful parties in a
row--suck and hypnosis.  RAD!

Guess what- Unique is thowing another party... "Upside Down".... later this
fall... I will keep ya'll posted.
 
                      Love from Green Bay,
                           Kimm

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Wow! 

Drop Bass is having a party with all house music:

          KARSTEN

     with DJ's:  TERRY MULLAN   DERRICK CARTER   MIKE DEARBORN   MINDRIVE

It is on August 20th in the "Milwaukee Area" outdoors, weather permitting...
I don't have the pre-flyer with me but I assume that 777-3998 will keep you
informed and so will I.

                         Kimm
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     Indiana is not dead...
	Hey, get the facts.  SIN's club does not serve alcohol and
	was designed to be for all ages.
	It's @ 720 n. College in Downtown Indy - things are slow right
		now but they will change when the place is completely
		renovated - Keep your ears open.

	Also, if you are 21 - Eden, A club in broadripple has come
	light years towards the future.

  more later
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hmm...got this from ne-raves..


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The proposal calls for creation of a small, unelected committee that would
have control over the creation and implementation of groups in the us.*
hierarchy.  The committee would most likely supress the creation of any
"controversial" newsgroups, and the danger is that the tamer, fluffier
us.* hierarchy would be an easy fix to the growing discontent over Usenet's
occasionally questionable content.  So if you're looking for a queer-free,
pinko-free, controversy-free Usenet, us.* will be the place to go:  rec.*
and alt.* hierarchies could be dropped by many carriers in favor of the
safer us.* Usenet.

Even if a watered-down Usenet had promise, the oligarchical system proposed
has no place on the Electronic Frontier.  It would be a sad irony indeed
if the us.* hierarchy were as anti-democratic as this calls for...

Please read the discussion below; then send your vote to "voting@qualcomm.com"
with no subject and the following as content:

I vote NO on this us.* hierarchy proposal.

You could vote YES, but after reading the following forwarded message I
doubt you'll want to.


Ryan.


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WHATS UP:

  There is discussion over at news.groups to start a new top-level
hierarchy named us. The main argument being that the US of A should
have an own hierarchy since everyone else has one.

  Now you might have whatever opinion on that, that is not core of
the matter, but some people are trying to sneak in something very
bad under cover of the us.* hierarchy question.

  They, and I'm talking of a cabal of seven persons calling themselves
the "US Hierarchy Coordinating Committee" out of a net population of
twenty million, want to sneak through severe changes in the newgroup
creation procedures that would put them in absolute command of the us.*
hierarchy.

TODAY:

  Today when a new newsgroup is to be created, anyone can propose it,
a period of discussion where anyone can participate follows and its
fate it decided by a vote, in which anyone can participate.

TOMORROW:

  In the us.* hierarchy groups can only be created by the cooperation
of the US Hierarchy Coordinating Committee. After they have decided on
a name for the group, and 'firmed up the charter', they will start a
public discussion by announcement on a (by them) moderated group. If
they decide that the group get enough support they will create it.

  The US Hierarchy Coordinating Committee is not elected by anyone. They
are totally self-appointed. Their proposal does not include any rules
or guidelines on how new cabal members are choosen, nor any ways to
depose the current ones. To quote them directly: "The Committee feels
that it would be better to wait until the hierarchy exists for a while
so that the lay of the land may be better understood before proposing
a whole system of rules for changes to the Committee, the creation
guidelines, and the structure of the hierarchy."

  They themselves want to write the rules (if any) by which they
themselves can be replaced, but they don't want to show us the rules,
we should just accept them, they say.

WHY:

  Why rip up the old democratic guidelines and replace them with
this oligarchic mess? They say it is to make the us.* hierarchy more
efficient and easy to use. Proposals to concentrate power in the
name of efficiency always makes me wary.

THE NEXT 40 LINES OF THIS MESSAGE SHOULD BE UNNECESSARY:

  Because this proposal should not be judged after how much good the
the Comittee might do, and certainly not after what good things *they*
claim they'll do, but after what bad things they *can* do since their
proposal totally lacks any checks and balances.

  So what I have written upto this point should be enough to
make you jump to the "WHAT CAN I DO" part:)

MY FEAR:

  There have been much talk recently about how Usenet is lawless, about
how various nastiness float around here, and about how the wild frontier
needs to be tamed. I think that is what they intends. This is an attempt
to impose authority on the net, put barbed wire across the frontier.

  I doubt that any controversial newsgroups will pass the comittee.
I suspect that us.rec.guns will be as impossible to get past
the comittee tomorrow as rec.illegal.drugs would be today.

  So therefore I urge everyone who has interests that is ever so slightly
non-mainstream, either in reality or as pictured by the media, or feels
that your interests might slide out of the mainstream soon, to vote NO
to the us.* hierarchy, if you want a place to discuss your interests on
on Usenet tomorrow.

  Around here I'm thinking of you who are any or all of pro-rkba, anti-WoD,
anti-BATF, anti-censorship's, anti-clipper, libertarians, etc etc.

  [only 4 of which is correct about me, but that is irrelevant:) ]

SO WHAT?

  So what? This will only cover the us.* hierarchy? The rest of Usenet will
be as before? Right?

  Well yes and no. Formally that is right, but the net is growing at an
amazing rate. New sites are added daily, many of them schools and schools
lower and lower on the age scale is getting access.
  What do you think they will choose if given the choise between getting
only the pg-13 us.* hierarchy, the R-rated normal Usenet or the X-rated
altnet?
  Especially since the us.* hierarchy advertises itself as handling the
US-specific issues on the net, I think most new sites in the US will play
it safe and only get the us.* hierarchy.

  And the way the net is growing new sites will soon be in the majority
and not long after that take up 90% of the total net sites.

  So if you want to say something that more than 10% hear, you'll have
to go through the us.* hierarchy, and you better hope your interest is
covered by the cabal-approved charter of a cabal-approved newsgroup. And
if you have angered any of the cabal-members in the past you are f*cked.
period.

WHAT CAN I DO:

  You can vote NO to the proposed us.* hierarchy. A us.* hierarchy might
or might not be a good idea, but under these rules it would be a disaster.

  It should be possible to just reply to this message (press 'R' on
rn/trn/rrn), edit out all quoted text except the 1 line between the
dashes, and send it off. You should however check that your mail is
going to "voting@qualcomm.com" and not to me before sending it off.

---------
I vote NO on this us.* hierarchy proposal.
---------

After voting you should recieve an ack by mail within a day or two.
If not then remail your vote.

  The voting closes on August 8, so vote early!

IMPORTANT CAVEAT:

  In their CFV the cabal plainly writes that they will *not* accept
the usual 'more than twice as many yes as no' criteria for group
creation, and if they get defeated they also plainly state that
they will rewrite their proposal and refile it immediately without
waiting 6 months as is the normal procedure.

  They claim they can do this since there arn't any formal rules
for HIERARCHY creation, just NEWSGROUP creation. Well most people
assumed that in the absence of specified rules, the group rules
would have jurisdiction, since a hierarchy is just a bunch of
individual groups, but the cabal seems determined to steamroller
this through despite any opposition.
  Kinda makes me wonder if they'd even follow their own rules,
provided they ever write any that is.

  Therefore it is of the utmost importance that they are made
to realize that the opposition to their oligarchic proposal is
compact. Explain the gravity of the situation to all your on-line
friends and collegues, and get them to vote too.

  This is doubly important if they are sysadmins or similiar.
Get them to state that they will not carry a us.* hierarchy
that does not abide by normal newgroup creation procedures.

Thanks

-bertil-

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

  The full text (the little there is) is available on news.announce.newgroups
under the Subject "CFV: us.* hierarchy" and with
Article ID <us_hierarchy-CFV1@uunet.uu.net>

A SECOND OPINION:

  Quoted without permission under the fair use doctrine from a call to vote
NO posted on news.groups by John De Armond:

*       New rules are being proposed by a new defacto cabal that replaces
        the voting system that has worked well for the most part, with
        a system of "bosses" who control what gets created and what doesn't.
        And it replaces defined criteria for passage or failure with
        the "judgement" of the bosses.  It replaces the will of the users
        with the will of a few men sitting on high.  This is the antithesis
        of the net spirit.

*       The proposed group creation criteria is most unsatisfactory.  The
        newly formed cabal proposes to replace the current vote with an
        "interest poll" whereby if 100 people sorta indicate an interest
        in the group it is created regardless of the number of negative
        votes.  This is NOT the way to create new groups.

*       The makeup of the cabal has been decreed from the cabal and no
        procedure for removing or replacing members is contemplated in
        this proposal.  The highly controversial nature of several of
        the proposed cabal members combined with no mechanism for removal
        almost guarantees a spoils system with no checks and balances
        at all.  "Piss me off and your group fails" isn't the way to
        run the net.

*       This vote is being conducted in a very abnormal manner, without the
        usual CFD discussion period.  If changes are needed in the current
        group creation process, the proper way is to implement them
        in accordance with the old procedures until those procedures
        are formally changed.  Change via fiat is again the antithesis
        of the net culture.

For all those reasons and more, I urge everyone to REJECT this proposal
and vote NO.  This is a BAD heirarchy and a BAD proposal and deserves to
die.



------- End of Forwarded Message


From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Aug  2 01:35:55 1994
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Hey, it's been a long time since I've posted, it's weird...

anyway, I went down to the SIGGRAPH '94 conference "on computer graphics and
interactive techniques," it was in Orlando this year (and our lab was lucky
enough to not only attend, but to PRESENT -- can you tell we're proud?)....

so I'm there for like 5 minutes and I run into ROB SMITH!  and he's hanging out
with these guy from DIGITAL DOMAIN, we exchanged party info for the week and
phone numbers -- very cool.

Then later I run into John (jon?) Santos and his friend Nancy, and finally met
Todd Sines and Tony Ramos!  Had a great great time roaming the conference with
these mw-peoples, it reminds me of how cool people can really be that you meet
through internet.  :)   We kept in close touch all week, and (I don't want this
to turn into People Magazine[tm] but...)  we went to a club named Barbarella in
Orlando, SASHA was spinning, with Doc Martin to spin at the club next-door
later, and INDUSTRIAL LIGHT + MAGIC was doing that party, outstanding images,
on par with Hollywood special effects (that's what they *do*, after all).   So
who walks in later that night?  HERBIE HANCOCK!  We about died, Sines and Tony
Ramos went up and talked to him.  We all recalled the old "Future Shock" and
before releases, and Tony said that Hancock was one of his biggest favorites
back in the day... too cool.

We also met a guy named Jody, who spins with the SanFrancisco "Chill Core
Collective" (and is also the art director of MORPH's OUTPOST) -- a fantastic
guy who actually responded to my post about SIGGRAPH on alt.techno.   Also
chilling with us at Barbarella's was Eugene (I forgot his last name) but He's
the fucking art director for WIRED magazine!  Much respect to those 2 guys!

Finally at 2 or 2:30am we ditched the club and went to a giant SIGGRAPH party
at Disney/MGM studios, open from midnight that night until dawn.  The DJ was
pathetic, but so what -- many rides were open, especially the more freaky 3-D
ones.  Two people actually RENTED OUT DISNEY, surely they knew the suit-types,
but how cool to throw a free party there!

I just wanted to give Todd and TOny and those guys a special shout-out, and to
say I'm glad I've finally met you in person, after talking via email for 2+
years.

PEACE!
HalfLife  --->  Matt S. MacQueen
                macqueen@student.msu.edu

From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Aug  2 15:03:01 1994
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On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, Mike wrote:

> --- Wallace E. Winfrey ---
> 
> 
> > Excursions in Ambience Vol. 3

I gotta say this is, IMHO, a real disappointment after Volumes I and 
II.

Stuart Shea



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On Tue, 2 Aug 1994, Stu Shea wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, Mike wrote:
> 
> > --- Wallace E. Winfrey ---
> > 
> > 
> > > Excursions in Ambience Vol. 3
> 
> I gotta say this is, IMHO, a real disappointment after Volumes I and 
> II.
> 
> Stuart Shea
> 
> 
> 
..You think so? I thought it was rather well done...

*devil girl*



                 

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send list mw-raves
send list wi-raves

--
Craig L. Stodolenak
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Could someone who has it please e-mail it to me directly ASAP?  Thank you!

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From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Aug  2 15:53:51 1994
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***hello everyone!***

i'm a dj on a college station and was wondering...how do you other djs 
find out 'bout new and cool tracks?  are there any trade publications 
that would be especially helpful? by the time i've found out about cool 
stuff, they are hopelessly out of date.  

thanks in advance,
*devil girl*

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The mw-raves web site is online!

You can access it through the main page at hyperreal
	http://hyperreal.com/

or through the following URL
	http://www.physics.purdue.edu/mw-raves/

For those of you who don't know, what the web is, it's a
newfangled information network using text, graphics, sound,
and even animation.  In order to access it, you must run a
web browser like mosaic or lynx. 

Hope you like it!

-Sho
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<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.

From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Aug  2 19:02:36 1994
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I know I have not been up on checking my mail box, but I thought that
the calendar was supposed to be out on a weekly basis.  I used to get
it on Thursdays, then it switched to Tuesdays.  Now I'm not getting
anything. 

Did I miss out on some new info?  I'm still getting info from the List server,
except for the Calendar.  No wonder I've been missing out on all the
raves around here ;)

					Later...Alex

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On Tue, 2 Aug 1994, Surfer Al wrote:

> I know I have not been up on checking my mail box, but I thought that
> the calendar was supposed to be out on a weekly basis.  I used to get
> it on Thursdays, then it switched to Tuesdays.  Now I'm not getting
> anything. 
> 
> Did I miss out on some new info?  I'm still getting info from the List server,
> except for the Calendar.  No wonder I've been missing out on all the
> raves around here ;)
> 
> 					Later...Alex
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> 
dewd i havent received it either 
i think were supposed to be requesting it now but im not entirely sure of 
that....           well some one please let us know...  thanx


---------
Scott Cherry
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Student - Art (Studio)

"And I was led by the Spirit,
not knowing beforehand
the things which I should do."
	  - 1 Nephi 4:6



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what is this shit all about? are they REALLY, SERIOUSLY trying to pull this off
? Will they? I'm votin', but will enough people? Way I see it, if there aren't
any rules about the CREATION of heirarchies, there aren't any on the subsequent
 DELETION of said hierarchies -- A-HEM. A HEM!! Too much has passed away becaus
e nobody stepped in and cut the barbed wire for the sake of keeping it open,
simply to spite barbed wire's purpose. I'm just saying this must not be allowed
 to happen, to abuse a phrase "by any means necessary".

                            tit for

                            t  a  t

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In a technologically-induced stupor, Surfer Al flatly stated...
::
::I know I have not been up on checking my mail box, but I thought that
::the calendar was supposed to be out on a weekly basis.  I used to get
::it on Thursdays, then it switched to Tuesdays.  Now I'm not getting
::anything. 

I know Dan is a busy boy so your best bet is to simply save the event posts
which make it to the list in your own account space.  I'll give him a
e-nudge to get the next calendar out this week some time.


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
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That's right, Spastik is on the 13th of august...
Richie Hawtin (as the DJ but also as the Plastikman!)
Terry Mulan
Jetstream
The Acid Guru
..
(313) 730 4097

lotsa people gonna make the trip to Detroit, I met a dozen at Fuse saturday.
I'm definitely driving there from Chicago. Gonna rent a full-size car. Anybody
wants to share a ride? If enough people are interested, we can do the
minibus thingy. Please reply to me directly at NIB@DLOGICS.COM
THIS IS GOING TO BE RAD! DON'T MISS IT!

bambi
nib@dlogics.com

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I will be going along with others up to detroit probably on friday  
8/12.  Any other folks rolling this way, let me know.

see you all there!

*~cosmic

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*devil girl* wrote:

>i'm a dj on a college station and was wondering...how do you other  
>djs find out 'bout new and cool tracks?  are there any trade  
>publications that would be especially helpful? by the time i've  
>found out about cool stuff, they are hopelessly out of date.

I am a dj at WRFL 88.1 FM in lexington, ky. and really the only trade  
mag I read is the RPM section of CMJ (college music journal).  It has  
a little on reviews about new stuff, but is mostly playlists of  
reporting radio stations.  The lists there are usually very up to  
date as far as current music.  Other than CMJ, there is not a lot  
that I have seen out there.  Hopefully some other people know of some  
more mags.  Anyway,  the following is RFL's dance chart for the week  
of 8/1/94:

1.  global communication
2.  future sound of london
3.  omni trio
4.  chillout phase 2 (comp)
5.  deee-lite
6.  opus iii
7.  pilgrim & ned ryder
8.  one a.d. (comp)
9.  inner tube
10. emit 0094

*~cosmic

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>The mw-raves web site is online!
>
>You can access it through the main page at hyperreal
>        http://hyperreal.com/
>
>or through the following URL
>        http://www.physics.purdue.edu/mw-raves/
>
>For those of you who don't know, what the web is, it's a
>newfangled information network using text, graphics, sound,
>and even animation.  In order to access it, you must run a
>web browser like mosaic or lynx.
>
>Hope you like it!

Kicks ass, Sho!  (ahem)

Seriously, it looks great.  I'd like to see more pics, though.  Not
superhuge 100K compressed jpgs, but smaller (<20K) pictures.  Not a single
person has reponded to my offer a few months ago for free scanning (and
mailing) of images.

Oh well... you can lead a horse to water...

And why isn't there more information about Milwaukee?!  Oi!  C'mon, we
gotta' have SOMEBODY who's willing to write about what's going on here
who's been around the block a few times.  'eh?

--
Craig L. Stodolenak
archon@mixcom.com



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Craig L. Stodolenak Once Upon a Time Said ::

> >The mw-raves web site is online!
> >
> >You can access it through the main page at hyperreal
> >        http://hyperreal.com/
> >
> >or through the following URL
> >        http://www.physics.purdue.edu/mw-raves/

What Sho forgot to state is that the mw-raves gopher section on hyperreal.com
is also up and functional.  Use your favorite gopher client and gopher to
hyperreal.com.  Select Brian...|mw and you are there.  

If anyone has any suggestions for either the gopher or for the html page,
let Sho or myself know, please.



> Seriously, it looks great.  I'd like to see more pics, though.  Not
> superhuge 100K compressed jpgs, but smaller (<20K) pictures.  Not a single
> person has reponded to my offer a few months ago for free scanning (and
> mailing) of images.

Those pics on the html page info are actually stored at hyperreal.com.  In
fact, each regional rave list has their own section of scanned pics.  Because
they are submitted by almost anyone, there is no standard on size of such
images.

I would love to add a 'flyers' directory to go with the pictures of humans.
Anyone have an interest in scanning in cool-ass flyers and putting them up
on hyperreal.com for the masses?


> And why isn't there more information about Milwaukee?!  Oi!  C'mon, we
> gotta' have SOMEBODY who's willing to write about what's going on here
> who's been around the block a few times.  'eh?


I think some of Sho's requests for information were not answered.  Feel
free to contribute, Craig (and others).

My plans for the gopher section include:
  - possible links to the weather server and the amtrak scedules
  - updating the city guide to coincide with the info on Sho's pages
  - a directory for scanned flyers

As always, I'm open for suggestions.  Please email privately though, not to
the list such suggestions.


Andrew
-- 

(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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> I am a dj at WRFL 88.1 FM in lexington, ky. and really the only trade  
> mag I read is the RPM section of CMJ (college music journal).  It has  

WCBN reports to that I believe, and that is the radio station that I work 
at - we have a DJ (BMG) who is bg into the scene and the list is always 
up to date (although i has been suspended till sepember cause he's doing 
a dj tour thing in germany)...

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man, wouldn't you know it!  i go out of town for 1 week, and i miss
two parties!!  :(
someone out there had to be looking down on me.
well, sorry all, but this is my first post ever to mw-raves.  so i'm a
little slow  :)
anyway, just wanted to say hope everyone had a good time wherever they
went this past weekend.
i'm really glad that the cincy party went well.  hopefully more will
come to the queen city in the near future.
big hugs to all you mw-ravers  :)
can't wait to see everyone at I.O.
btw, anyone out there like to hoola-hoop?  let me know, k?

-- 
Becca Maslow
amaslow@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
little elf :)

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Hi all...

If your looking a way better than the rpm list to find music, you might want to check out "Under One Sky" (U.O.S.) Heather Hearts zine. I got my hands on copy awhile ago and it looked pretty good, what do you think?


Thanks: Thanks, HalfLife for getting me here! (Btw, I'm Plus Eight on ISCA :)

					Hope to talk to you later,
							- Rick


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Whatup all?
just wanted to say thanx to all the net ravers,
who showed up at my crib in indy this weekend.
I had a great time!
Glad to see everyone there.
I really hope we can make this a regular thing.
*friday nite gettogethers......yehaaaa!*
Nothing like hanging with yer friends,
listening to some music(tha disco wuz rad lollipop!),
and going to marsh!
Hey! where is tha "fresh isle" ?
see ya'll's soon!
-peace and hugz-
*spaceboy*

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Heya all you MW ravers, and espcially all you mpls/stpaul ravers!!!
Here's a little story:
	So there's this really nice guy and he goes to NYC for a day
	and he goes to a nifty little record store and he spends
	$150 that he really couldn't spare on some ph*kin' intense
	acidic vinyl.  Then he thinks...'Hmmmmm....sure would like
	to spin this stuff'.  But the problem with this fine fellow
	is he has no tables nor mixer.  You see, he really wants to
	practice spinning, but then he remembers what wonderful
	helpful kind considerate giving open (did I mention kind?)
	people ravers tend to be.  So he figures if anyone near
	or around St. Paul either has or knows someone who has
	tables, etc. that they might be willing to make him o'
	so incredibly joyous and let him practice on their
	tables now and then.  Who knows?  They might even get
	to hear some nifty tooooons and make the aquaintance
	of a fine young man who's about to lose his proverbial
	sh*t and start biting off his fingers to feed the pigeons
	if he can't find a way to practice spinning:)
So if you want to prevent such a horrible thing happening, you could
reply to this email address, or if it's after Aug the 8th, you could
call at Laura's (699+4681) and leave a message saying so...
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :] :] :] :] :] :] :] :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Thanks ya'll!!!!!
yers,
(Galore &) Humblepie (josh)

RP strikes again!!!!!!
(system addict)(imminent sasquatch)

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Here's what cha gatta do....

Send a check, if you want to subscribe, for $20 to:

Heather Lotruglio
2249 East 21st Street
Brooklyn NY 11229

And that's it!   :)

					-Rick


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In a technologically-induced stupor, Rick Fird flatly stated...
::
::Here's what cha gatta do....
::
::Send a check, if you want to subscribe, for $20 to:
::
::Heather Lotruglio
::2249 East 21st Street
::Brooklyn NY 11229
::
::And that's it!   :)

Ok, I'll bite.  And that's what?


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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who's goin? i am, along with some other st. looie personages... hope to 
see all you kool kids there!

hugs!
devilgirl

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I was on vacation in Indian River, Mich. last week and haven't been on line.
It was I-75 exit 310; remarkably close to where Richie Hawtin threw his 
party earlier this year. I wish he had been up there last week.

Anyway, I post because I wondered if anyone else had read the story about dance
music's future in the Sunday Detroit Free Press. It was straight out of the
New Music Seminar in New York, but it was interesting. The point, basically,
was that dance music can't be marketed, so it will perish and is already on
a decline much like disco's.

It pointed out that WHYT-FM is pulling dance tunes from its play list, and I
must say I was shocked to find that happening as I drove through Detroit.
Same thing happened here in Cleveland, but the dance station (WCJM) wasn't
nearly as good to begin with.

I'll post the article if y'all want.

What else? Don't forget about Cleveland's event on Aug. 13. Call 216.382.3101
for more info. I know Plastikman will be cool. I'll probably be at the 
Cleveland event. I can't convince some of my fellow Northeast Ohioans that
Plastikman is worth the trip.

I'm out.

--
The Chronicle. Elyria, Ohio, USA		John Kohlstrand, staff writer
macroncl@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	    aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	
    ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.''  --Derrick May
I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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well, i was wondering who is going to acidic opera? tree town love mafia 
(me, samme sunshyne, and superstar tim) will probably be in chicago for this 
event... 
peaceout and pcp,
*kiss*
holly
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This is from Mike Brown and was meant to go to the list, not just to me.

- steven

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In a technologically-induced stupor, Mike Brown flatly stated...
::From mike@hyperreal.com  Wed Aug  3 09:52:18 1994
::From: Mike Brown <mike@hyperreal.com>
::Message-Id: <199408031452.HAA13888@taz.hyperreal.com>
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::Under One Sky is a zine produced in NYC since mid-late 1992 by Heather 
::Lotruglio aka DJ Heather Heart.  It used to be online as well as on paper 
::but the online versions seem to have disappeared.  UOS used to have 
::massive distribution worldwide, but I never have seen any copies in the 
::Midwest.  The copies I saw in 92/93 were the best rave music & culture 
::zines I ever saw, better than Massive, etc.  Very good writing.
::UOS is still coming out; Will-E Perez and I are trying to see if she'll 
::put them online again.
::Anyway the subscription cost is probably well worth it.
::Mike


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In a technologically-induced stupor, John Kohlstrand flatly stated...
::
::Anyway, I post because I wondered if anyone else had read the story about dance
::music's future in the Sunday Detroit Free Press. It was straight out of the
::New Music Seminar in New York, but it was interesting. The point, basically,
::was that dance music can't be marketed, so it will perish and is already on
::a decline much like disco's.

That's ok with me.  It would seem that it will force _us_ bacj underground
which is where I'd rather be anyway.

::It pointed out that WHYT-FM is pulling dance tunes from its play list, and I
::must say I was shocked to find that happening as I drove through Detroit.
::Same thing happened here in Cleveland, but the dance station (WCJM) wasn't
::nearly as good to begin with.

Fifgures.  Here in Milwaukee some house/acid-house type music is actualy
sneaking into late-night playlists, but I'm sure it'll pass.  I really don't
care.  I'm still planning on getting my own decks and learning The Art{tm}.

::I'll post the article if y'all want.

Cool, feel free.  =)


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                           V O O D O O
                          Sept. 10, 1994
                           Dayton, Ohio

         Live performance by Nova Mute, +8 Recording Artist
                      V A P O U R  S P A C E

                        From New York City
                      J O E Y  B E L T R A M

   From Detroit, courtesy of +8, Definitive and Stickman Records,
                     J O H N  A Q U A V I V A

                    From SanFrancisco / Chicago
                       M A R K  F A R I N A

                             Plus DJ's
                     JIMI            ANDROMEDA
                     FULLBRAIN        TITONTON
                     the ELE MENTAL COLLECTIVE

                         513 - 496 - 1071


illuminatorIV

email!
kourosh (stu1008@discover.wright.edu)
jim (ad425@dayton.wright.edu)

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Does anybody know the Spastik meetwhile number?

Thanks.

-C
________________________________________________________________________________
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C o n c e n t r a t e  on  my  v  o  i  c  e..........


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hey now..!

        um, i don't know how i'm gonna start this here post, so i'll jus
jump right n with the 411...ok, word was handed down 2 us (myself,
hollee and superstar tim) yesterday that richie had heard thru the
grapevine that "some kids from ann arbor we're gonna b bringing a bunch
of <stuff> to spastic. if i see them <doing what they're planning on
doing>, i'm gonna kick them out"... so what it boils down 2 is that
we're not going...we really don't wanna b n an environment where we're
not wanted, so we're going 2 acidic opera n chicago...sorry 2 all the
kids from here 2 st,looey that we've begged 2 come here for this
event...

        the thing that's really shitty is someone wanting 2 control the
whole scene like it's their own and what they need 2 realize is that if
it wasn't for the kids coming 2 these parties and supporting all these
dj's and such, there wouldn't b a scene...i don't know, it hurts sorta
but whatever c y'all that's going n chi-town.

love and shit...

samme sunshyne
treetown love mafia
 

        
        


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Devil girl & SpaceBoy - I am not ignoring your mail.. i just can't send a reply!   
My mail box, or the post master is seriously screwed!  All mail bounces and  
gets mailed to me.. instead of who i send it too!  : (

I will asap!

W.K.Baran

p.s. is anyone going thru Indianapolis or Terre Haute on their way to Spastik?

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Does anyone have more info about the even supposedly happening on Sept  
10, at Perdue? 


thanx.

Sir Kutbrakr

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"William K. Baran" <baranwk@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu> writes:
>
> Does anyone have more info about the even supposedly happening on Sept  
> 10, at Perdue? 

We'll post when all the details have been ironed out,
probably about a week from now.  DJs include Dave Hollands,
Astroboy, and Rage.  The space is a semi outdoor location.
(two buildings for dancing/ chill out + outdoor area in a
wooded park) The space is just about as groovy as can be.
The DJs are some of my favorites.  It should be a great
time.

The date may be subject to change, since we are trying very
hard not to conflict with Kourosh's party in Dayton on the
same day.  We don't want to split our scene between the two
parties... we would rather that people from this region
support the dayton cru, and that people from that region
support our cru.  It's hectic (trust me, it's more hectic
for us than it is for you!) but even if we aren't able to
move the date of the event, at least we will have tried...
Unity is a part of PLUR.

More details in about a week.

-Sho
--
sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm
                            having for lunch!

<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.

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  08/06    Chicago         ATLANTIS
  08/06    Detroit         NIRVANA
  08/06    ? Canada        SUMMER OF LOVE '94
  08/06    Nashville       YAMAHA
  08/12    Chicago         BALLISTIX
  08/13    Chicago         ACIDIC OPERA
  08/13    Detroit         SPASTIK
  08/20    Milwaukee       KARSTEN
  08/26    Lexington       INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK (3-day event)
  09/03    Chicago         FAMILY GROOVE KITCHEN
  09/10    Dayton          VOODOO
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<< DELAYED >>           NASHVILLE               SCOTCHED

This rave is postponed until middle of fall.
Wednesday afternoon, the city of Nashville
decide to close the Municipal Auditorium to
renovate the arena. Therefore we don't have
a large building anymore. After talking with Cosmic
Baby's manager, we will have this giant party
sometimes in the middle of Fall. We, at
Maxximum Sound and Lights apologize for
all the inconveniences.

For those who were planning to come to
Nashville, we reorganized a smaller scale
rave to be help at Club Vortex (owned by
Maxximum). At least this place cannot be
shut down, it's a night club.
The party's name is : "Scrambled eXXs"
DJ :
Terry Mullan (Chicago)
French E (Paris France)
Bryan M (Nashville)
Chip B (Nashville, live act featuring Marco)
John Blazt (NY bass line network)
Thome Tomato (Louisville)
David Holland (Muncie Indy)

Cover $6

Directions :
Go on I-40 (it circles Nashville)
take Broadway exit.
Head towards downtown
Take left on 9th Avenue
After the first red light
there is a giant parking lot
Park there. Vortex is the RED building.

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05 AUGUST               CHICAGO                 NOBIUM

Niobium

Friday Aug. 5th, 1994
in Chicago, IL

Mystic Bill
Traxx
Efex
Phil F.A.
Madd Groove
R.P. Smack
Astroboy
MorbE
Synergy

live ambiance by:
Tripper Information Systems

Presented by
Goody Good-E

708-786-5347
312-604-1879
414-963-7825

------------------------------------------------------------------------

06 AUGUST               CHICAGO                 ATLANTIS

                         e-clipse presents

                       A  T  L  A  N  T  I  S

                         8/6/94 -- Chicago



           from brooklyn, new york, groove world, direct
                       drive recording artist
                           FRANKIE BONES

         live pa by drop bass recording artist (milwaukee)
                            MARK VERBOS

                              chicago
                              GROOV-E

                              chicago
                               FIERCE

                         visuals (oklahoma)
                             MARK ZERO

                            indianapolis
                            ANDELICIOUS

              12 guage recording artist (minneapolis)
                              APOLLO

                              chicago
                               TRON

                  drop bass network (milwaukee)
                              JEDIDIAH

                        sound (minneapolis)
                              4D AUDIO

                       lighting (minneapolis)
                             LASERFLUX


               degisn by durica design - 708.352.6551


                   CHICAGO, IL       312.604.1843
                   FT. WAYNE, IN     219.253.3784
                   ST. LOUIS, MO     314.994.6265
                   MILWAUKEE, WI     414.777.3998
                   MINNEAPOLIS, MN   612.342.9090
                   MADISON, WI       608.258.0003

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06 AUGUST               ? CANADA                SUMMER OF LOVE '94

t h i c k   p r o d u c t i o n s
brings to us

S U M M E R   of    L O V E  '94
saturday, august sixth nineteen ninety four
shimmer under stars and sky in pure white sand
in the Enchanted Forest, 1 hour north of Vancouver BC.

24 hours, 3 stages + ambient spaces

Celebrating "Dewdrops in The Garden"
Electra recording artists
> > Lady Miss Kier's  DEEE-LITE < <
with her Preview of the Moonrise

Sony recording artists
RASCALZ

Organico recording artists
> > DUBTRIBE SOUNDSYSTEM < <
from SF, playing as a 6 piece

Hard edged acid jazz with
SCULLCAP

Vancouver's LabRat Crew with
NITWITS and The FUNK BASTARDS

--------------------------Dee
Jays-------------------------
SuperDJ DIMITRY
DOC MARTIN (LA)
STEVE LORIA (LA)
MARKEM-X (LA)
DERRICK CARTER (Chicago)
HEBEGEBE (Seattle)
Pasta (Portland)

..and from Vancouver...
Tripswitch
Quickfix
Spun-K
Phatty
T-Bonee
Adham Shaikh
G
Kilo-Cee
Czech
Little T
Hand-E-Man
Kemo
Quest
Minutemaid
Vitamin-E
Philth
Ego
Taizo

Poet Jockey, Futurist Fraser Clark and the Zippies
Visuals by Pangea, Realtime Cybernaut iz Stinky Stuff
Optical-illusive stimuli by A-Team, Lasers by LaserMatrix

~~additional attractions and entertainment~~
Drum circle, Sweat Lodge, 3H0 Kundalini Yoga, Healing Circle
supernatural volleyball, interactive beach sports, velcro wall, gyrotrons
free camping

Gates open at 2:00PM August 6, and don't close until sometime
in the afternoon August 7.

INFOLINES:
604.760.LOVE (Vancouver, BC)
604.268.9574 (Vancouver, BC)
206.323.4304 (Seattle, WA)
503.727.3555 (Portland, OR)
714.502.2002 (Los Angeles, CA)
415.207.9627 (San Francisco, CA)

Tickets are (and this is in Canadian dollars, so figure around 0.75 for
U.S. dollars)
$28 for the first 1500, $35 until day of show, $40 day of show.
Pre-sale tickets @ Odyssey Imports and Bassix in Vancouver, BC
and The Snoboard Shop in Whistler

Area TicketMasters:
604.280.4444 (Vancouver, BC)
206.628.0888 (Seattle, WA)
403.270.6700 (Alberta)

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06 AUGUST               NASHVILLE               YAMAHA

Saturday August 6 Nashville Tennessee

YAMAMA (is so phat)

a rave/house celebration of chris anode's birthday

                          DJs
goodwill / trevor lamonte -- delaware
 jon blazt / thome tomato -- louisville
                   sean c -- miami
                     kasi -- knoxville
          larry / bryan m -- nashville

7pm-6am at VORTEX, 909.5 church street
in nashville (where scrambled eggs was)

all ages till midnite (no alcohol)
18+ midnite till 6am

 anode/BAM! infoline: 615.780.3730
other area infolines: 615.954.2313
                      502.569.1969
                      317.899.8100
                      404.250.8230
                      606.281.4193
                      314.995.6265

email your street address to anodeBAM@aol.com to get on our mailing list and
recieve a flyer and map in the mail

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12 AUGUST               CHICAGO                 BALLISTIX

Acidic Opera Pre Party

B A L L I S T I X

Aug. 12

Noise Makers:  Robert Armani
               Hyperactive
               DJ Raven
               Efex
               Sonic Boom
               Madd Groove
               Phantom 45
               Snuggles
               Rich Sklenar

Info:          708-786-3940
               312-509-6869

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13 AUGUST               CHICAGO                 ACIDIC OPERA

nyc Jimmy Crash
direct drive records

nyc DB sm:-)e communications
profile records

Sense Productions and Zero Films:  One of the minds that brough you
Orbital '92 and Destiny '94, now we guide you through our...

A C I D I C   O P E R A
Sat, Aug.13.1994

It's time to wake up, come alive & emerge from the sleepy depths of
sub-consciousness.  The time has come for the inspried originality
of the warehouse concept to be reuinted in that constant burning
bright buzzing electric light of Life.  We invite you to step into
our world...

massive video screen walls by Zero Films

san fran/chicago
MARK FARINA

via chicago atv/d-jax up-beats
ROBERT ARMANI

via chicago
MIKE DEARBORN
d-jax up-beats

milwaukee
JEDIDIAH
drop bass network terror unit

chicago's hometown heroes

EFX
assailant

PHANTOM 45
cha

DELTA NINE / TRON
12 guage / drop bass records

DJ ADRIEN
house guru

312.918.9084            Sense's main/out of town info
708.581.3200 ext. ATP   Suburbs (ATP)
414.256.1784            Milwaukee (Underground Laboratories)
612.649.4902            Minneapolis (M.O.R.E.)
212.330.8233            N.Y.C. (Drop Entertainment)
314.994.1114            St. Louis
708.786.3940            pre event info
312.509.6869            pre event info

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13 AUGUST               DETROIT                 SPASTIK

If anyone's interested, Richie will be performing live as PlastikMan for
the first time in the US.  August 13, Detroit, MI.  Party is called
SPASTIK.  DJ's Richie Hawtin, Terry Mullin, Jetstream, and the Acid Guru.
313/730-4097 for info & directions.

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20 AUGUST               MILWAUKEE               KARSTEN

Drop Bass is having a party with all house music:

          KARSTEN

     with DJ's:  TERRY MULLAN   DERRICK CARTER   MIKE DEARBORN   MINDRIVE

It is on August 20th in the "Milwaukee Area" outdoors, weather permitting...
I don't have the pre-flyer with me but I assume that 777-3998 will keep you
informed [...]

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03 SEPTEMBER            CHICAGO                 FAMILY GROOVE KITCHEN

RIPE vs. CORE
"No matter who wins... Chicago's still on top..."

Bringing you the biggest, boldest, baddest, loudest, fastest, most slammin
event of Chicago's summer.

Coming to a warehouse near you Labor Day weekend.  Chicago, USA.  09:03:94

Call event lines for DJ line up and ticket info:

        Ripe:  312.509.6453
        Core:  708.581.3200 xt. 117

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10 SEPTEMBER            DAYTON                  VOODOO

                           V O O D O O
                          Sept. 10, 1994
                           Dayton, Ohio

         Live performance by Nova Mute, +8 Recording Artist
                      V A P O U R  S P A C E

                        From New York City
                      J O E Y  B E L T R A M

   From Detroit, courtesy of +8, Definitive and Stickman Records,
                     J O H N  A Q U A V I V A

                    From SanFrancisco / Chicago
                       M A R K  F A R I N A

                             Plus DJ's
                     JIMI            ANDROMEDA
                     FULLBRAIN        TITONTON
                     the ELE MENTAL COLLECTIVE

                         513 - 496 - 1071

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26-28 AUGUST Friday-Sunday      LEXINGTON       INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK

when you put your mind to it, you can get really wierd. when a few
thousand people put their minds to it, they can somehow all wind up
at

INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK

a rural campground area near Lexington, Ky - August 26th-28th

a TOTALLY, UTTERLY FREE outdoor gathering of the technontological
tribe

confirmed DJ's:
Richie Hawtin (not the +8 records guy AGAIN...)
John Aquaviva (noted tron look-alike)
Nigel Richards (philly's 611 person)
Dieselboy (pittsburg's phat boy)
Dave Hollands (damn, what did he want to be called?)
Goodwill (delaware acid jazzman)
Mystic Bill (chicago funk boy)
(all those drop bass terror unit dj squad blokes)
Hyperactive (gosh golly)
ESP (of the Disco Family Planning unit)
Jethrox (shhhh! he danced to house all night at richie's party)
Jedediah the Messiah (what a funny name)
Mr Bill (the milwaukee one)
Terry Mullan (proud to be from Chicago, now)
Jajo (just getting home from madrid with fresh, piping hot euro
house)
Merlin (backwards aging wizard?)
Zaccheus (houston's broken god)
Astroboy (st louis boy of the future)
Oddysey (tribal boy from PA)
Jace (from where?)
Stretch (st louey new kid)
Jearren (st louey newer kid)
Blazt (nyc vibal renegade)
Thome Tomato (arguably the most durable fruit on the planet)

LIVE PA's by:
Theory Collapse (columbus b2b techno)

1.8.7 (pittsburg's murder hardcore)
V-ger (lexington's own force for exploration)

stupid circus-style attention getting attractions:
wading pools filled with jello (if we can find the pools and the
jello)
16 1-foot long lizards to scare the hell out of trippers
newbie sound system with no dj schedule, bring ya rekkids.
whopping big prize for the wierdest spontaneous addition in this vein

and a hell of a lot more, from friday night to sunday night

info at 606.281.4193 & most nearby regional infolines.


"we're so crazy, we're giving it away."
>> I'm prepared to sell whatever I own to do this if I have to.
Anyone willing to donate goods, money, or just to help set stuff up
will be greatly appreciated. contact jj at either voicemail at the
above number, voice at 606.253.1376, snailmail as jj haws, 323 West
Virginia B, lexington, ky, 40504, email at <uk02657@mik.uky.edu> we
will also need some way to get rid of 50,000 flyers. can you help?

peace & 12016 live frogs

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From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Aug  3 22:11:03 1994
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On Wed, 3 Aug 1994 carmela@umich.edu wrote:

> jump right n with the 411...ok, word was handed down 2 us (myself,
> hollee and superstar tim) yesterday that richie had heard thru the
> grapevine that "some kids from ann arbor we're gonna b bringing a bunch
> of <stuff> to spastic. if i see them <doing what they're planning on
> doing>, i'm gonna kick them out"...

Aren't you guys jumping the gun?  This sounds awfully 
secondhand/thirdhand/maybe/well-i-heard to me...

>         the thing that's really shitty is someone wanting 2 control the
> whole scene like it's their own and what they need 2 realize is that if
> it wasn't for the kids coming 2 these parties and supporting all these
> dj's and such, there wouldn't b a scene...i don't know, it hurts sorta
> but whatever c y'all that's going n chi-town.

Well, infighting in a scene is often brought on when someone hears
about something that somebody else supposedly said and goes off
and acts without confirming things directly.  Tread softly.

| Dave Walker, Detroit Art Services (DAS)                                |
|                                                                        |
| marmoset@msen.com                    Sig under demolition (condemned)  | 


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In a technologically-induced stupor, Dave Walker flatly stated...
::
::Well, infighting in a scene is often brought on when someone hears
::about something that somebody else supposedly said and goes off
::and acts without confirming things directly.  Tread softly.

Uh huh.  In addition to killing the scene it...  well, isn't that enough?
Simply get in touch with the people in charge of the event and confirm what
you've heard 2nd/3rd-hand.


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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things are looking grim for the devil girl and her travelling companions...
as of today, we won't be making it to deeeetroit because of events outside 
the range of our considerable psychic powers (hee hee) so...

hope all of you merry kids are luckier than we...

*love and kisses*
devil girl

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p.s. and remember, take candy from strangers! ;> *******
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Craig states:

> I'll try to get the latest version of the list up on hyperreal.com.  So
> try to ftp hyperreal.com:pub/raves/archives/mwraves.

I just put the calendar in the following location:

hyperreal.com:pub/raves/mw/mwravescalendar

That will be the spot for it in the future, too.  It's also available
on the gopher menu if you gopher to hyperreal.com.  (Brian..|mw..|Calendar).
It may be easier than ftp'ing and all that...


Andrew
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(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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Andrew Bennett Once Upon a Time Said ::
> 
> hyperreal.com:pub/raves/mw/mwravescalendar

Check that.  To me, that's what it looks like.  To those ftp'ing in, it's
just /raves/mw/mwravescalendar.  (minus the pub/).  Sorry for the 
confusion...



Andrew
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(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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> hello there again people!
> 
> I STILL have limited access to a computer this summer-- that is why posts
> have been infrequent.  
>
  Well, did you ppl with badges like them?  Criticism would be nice!  Has
> anyone still not recieved thiers?  Would anyone like one?
> 
> If you WOULD like one, e-mail your given name, alias(es), e-mail adress,
> and a little x-tra info if you like-- no books please!
> 
> THEN, mail some CASH (like 4$ for shipping and printing) to:
> 
> 		mw-raves badge
> 		attn: Andy Tannehill
> 		1842 glenn ave
> 		Cols, OH 43212
> 
> and  allow 2-3 weeks delivery, cool?
> 
> I handed out several badges at NFS in Dayton a few weeks ago-- I'm
> planning on going to cincy on 8.13, possibly cleveland for rebirth on
> 7.30, and definitely at Innerstellar Outback for the weekend 0f 8.26, so
> you might be able to get your nifty mw-raves badge at any of these raves.
> 
> they're fresh, and they're colorful, laminated, personalized, slick pieces
> of undderground paraphanelia-- so get yours now!
> 
thankks for the big response! I appreciate the feedback! I've recieved a
couple of orders I still have to fill, sorry to holly c.m.k. and natira H.
for the delay... computers hard to hook up with these days!  I'll be
working at kinkos this school year, and will have a computer, so i'll be
able to fire off the badges quickly!!

sara kim (skimmY) did you get your badge yet? I sent it with the rest of
them, mail me if you didn't, and i'll send it out!

see some of y'all at REbirth, i'm the one w/ short hair, glasses,blue
stix, and NOVA on my badge, stop by for a starburst (heh, heh)

later! andy
=======================
atannehi@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
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novamass



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Hey-
	Wouldn't a guy who used a sheet of acid as an album cover (richie 
hawtin) be acting in an inconsistant manner if her were to kick kids with 
*stuff* out of his party.
	hmm..

"Say what you mean, and say it mean..." JG Thirwell




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The point that they are trying to make (I have spoken to the promoters on 
this subject) is not that drugs are a bad thing, that drugs are a good 
thing, but that drgs an become a bad thing if they are usedin the wrong 
way - ritchie and his bddies and many others are into the scene because 
of the music not because of the drugs and they are all upset that the 
opint of the scene to many kids is drugs and not music - ie the only 
reason to go to a party to be to get fucked up - they don't like the idea 
of not being to appreceiate the art sober..

                    _
                   | |                           Erika  Sherman
 _                 | |                         esherman@umich.edu
| |     O          |_|                   *defender of cosmic freeform*
| |
|_|          ...what ever happened to PONG?!


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==============================================================================
     ___   ___
    /  /__/  /      Holly C. MacDonald - Korth    cybrgrrl@phantom.com 
   /  ___   /       hcmk@garnet.msen.com          hcmk@umich.edu
  /__/  /__/CMK     "I think I'm starting to peak now Al..." -- Beastie Boys
==============================================================================

On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Steve J White wrote:

> In a technologically-induced stupor, Dave Walker flatly stated...
> ::
> ::Well, infighting in a scene is often brought on when someone hears
> ::about something that somebody else supposedly said and goes off
> ::and acts without confirming things directly.  Tread softly.
> 
> Uh huh.  In addition to killing the scene it...  well, isn't that enough?
> Simply get in touch with the people in charge of the event and confirm what
> you've heard 2nd/3rd-hand.
> 
	look...richie called us and said that if he found people doing
what we were planning on doing, then they would be kicked out of the
party.  he wants the activities to be monitored by him.  if it's there, he
wants to give it out at the specific time, and he has an agenda for what
will be where when. 
	now. this is not hear say, this is first hand. a phone call from
the man himself.  give us a little credit, ok? richie is going too far
this time.  i knew he was a control freak, but the fact is, it's not his
party, it's ours...we are the people who make the scene, not just
him...it's not all about him...it's about the kids who come to the parties
and them having a good time...and having fun means allowing me to do what
i want to, not have it controlled by someone egomaniacal freak... 
	so. from the horses mouth we heard it and we are not going. 
peaceout and pcp,
holly

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On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Adam Goldstein wrote:

> 
> Hey-
> 	Wouldn't a guy who used a sheet of acid as an album cover (richie 
> hawtin) be acting in an inconsistant manner if her were to kick kids with 
> *stuff* out of his party.
> 	hmm..
> 
> "Say what you mean, and say it mean..." JG Thirwell
> 
DEFINITELY: the only difference is...it's his acid...

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ok,

        for those of u who don't know one freekin iota of what's really
goin on here (i wont say no names), please find out the real deal b4 u
start poppin off about this...richie called us and told us not to
come...period...it doesn't have a DAMN thing 2 do with "going 2 a party
and getting fucked up"...i'm sorry 2 inform u sweetee, but that's why we
go 2 partee's baby; 2 hear some good music...and as for "richie and his
buddies", u don't, and never will, no anything about them...you have no
fuckin clue on whats happening here so go 2 the party, let "plasticman"
take control and call me when it's over...


samme sunshyne

(maybe i should have sent this 2 who it's meant 4 huh?)
 


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On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Erika Sherman wrote:

> The point that they are trying to make (I have spoken to the promoters
on > this subject) is not that drugs are a bad thing, that drugs are a
good > thing, but that drgs an become a bad thing if they are usedin the
wrong > way - ritchie and his bddies and many others are into the scene
because > of the music not because of the drugs and they are all upset
that the > opint of the scene to many kids is drugs and not music - ie the
only > reason to go to a party to be to get fucked up - they don't like
the idea > of not being to appreceiate the art sober.. > > _ > | | Erika
Sherman look...i don't know who you are, but richie and drugs go hand in
hand...he has no qualms about uniting drug use and techno music...he
merely wants to control the drug use...he wants eveyone to take specific
drugs at specific times...not not use them...he is one of the people who
promotes drug use within the scene and integrates it into his music...if
he did not want drugs to influence or ovveride his music, then why is
plasikman called sheet 1, and secondly designed like a sheet of acid...get
a clue...richie is an e junkie and just wants to make sure that everything
goes as he wants it to... 
holly

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about division within the scene...  i personally don't think that this
will cause any division within the scene...we just aren't going to this
specific party...we were univited, so we aren't going...it doesn't mean
that we are starting a war or anything...we just aren't going to go, and
becasue of it, none of the kool kids will be there and the party won't be
any fun...but richie will be happy and that's all that matters right? 
  
holly  
  
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sorry this last post was fuctup...i don't know what happened

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> 
> On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Erika Sherman wrote: > 
>      The point that they are trying to make (Ihave spoken to the 
promoters on this subject)                            
                                                                         
 BTW: who, specifically? are you sure they were promoters for 
spastik? do you even know? dude, everybody is a promoter for 
something or other: get your head out your ass..so was it richie, or his 
bald disciples?

holly                                                                    
tree town love mafia
(a group of kids out to bring love, joy and happiness to the underground)

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>
>about division within the scene...  i personally don't think that this
>will cause any division within the scene...we just aren't going to this
>specific party...we were univited, so we aren't going...it doesn't mean
>that we are starting a war or anything...we just aren't going to go, and
>becasue of it, none of the kool kids will be there and the party won't be
>any fun...but richie will be happy and that's all that matters right? 

oh darn. none of the kool kids will be there. :-| oh darn. i always wanted to
meet kool kids. :-|



--
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I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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>ritchie and his bddies and many others are into the scene because 
>of the music not because of the drugs

Same for all of us. And I'm sorry that the treetown crew won't come, because
they are nice and dance and hug and I like them. And I'm pretty sure that when
they drive 4 hours to Chicago, it's for the music.

>reason to go to a party to be to get fucked up - they don't like the idea 
>of not being to appreceiate the art sober..

here I have to scream: BS! should have seen all the "buddies" at afterWorld,
their eyes looked strangely big to me :P

bambi
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"do whatever the fuck you want, especially underground (who wants to obey
down there anyway?)" - Fortune Cookie

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On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Erika Sherman wrote:

> The point that they are trying to make (I have spoken to the promoters on 
> this subject) is not that drugs are a bad thing, that drugs are a good 
> thing, but that drgs an become a bad thing if they are usedin the wrong 
> way - ritchie and his bddies and many others are into the scene because 
> of the music not because of the drugs and they are all upset that the 
> opint of the scene to many kids is drugs and not music - ie the only 
> reason to go to a party to be to get fucked up - they don't like the idea 
> of not being to appreceiate the art sober..


Well, not having spoken to any of the principals in this argument, my
opinions are just that--opinions. (With that caveat...) However, this
seems awfully oligarchiacal of Mr. Richie, doesn't it? "Do it my way,
or don't do it at all"? I thought art was all about the individual's
appreciation of same.

Stuart Shea



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My loft will be open for a pre-party and crash space for anyone
who rsvp's to rysmith@msen.com

Address is 743 Beaubien, Suite 542 &/or 211

Above Niki's Pizza, which is between Lafayette & Fort (East-west)
and Beaubien & Brush (N-S).  Directly behind the Shelter.


--fixer


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On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, Stu Shea wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Erika Sherman wrote:
> 
> > The point that they are trying to make (I have spoken to the promoters on 
> > this subject) is not that drugs are a bad thing, that drugs are a good 
> > thing, but that drgs an become a bad thing if they are usedin the wrong 
> > way - ritchie and his bddies and many others are into the scene because 
> > of the music not because of the drugs and they are all upset that the 
> > opint of the scene to many kids is drugs and not music - ie the only 
> > reason to go to a party to be to get fucked up - they don't like the idea 
> > of not being to appreceiate the art sober..
> 
> Well, not having spoken to any of the principals in this argument, my
> opinions are just that--opinions. (With that caveat...) However, this
> seems awfully oligarchiacal of Mr. Richie, doesn't it? "Do it my way,
> or don't do it at all"? I thought art was all about the individual's
> appreciation of same.

Getting off of the high plains here, guys, what we pretty much have here
now is an argument about "who am I going to buy my drugs from?"

Personally, it doesn't seem worth getting all wound up in contortions
over to me...

Send any responses to this to me personally and lets get on with other 
things.

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dave walker, detroit art services                             _
marmoset@msen.com                               play sim freeke

<A HREF="http://www.msen.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>



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I don't know anything about what anybody has definitively said about  
what is "allowed" and "not allowed" at this party.  I say do whatever  
you want.  As long as people are reasonably discrete about what they  
do,(don't stand in the middle of the dance space and drop, or better  
yet 'prepare' yourself before you arrive) no one will know (or at  
least be able to prove) that anyone is 'doing' anything.  And I dont  
think people would get thrown out because they were suspected of  
being on "stuff", hopefully the other partygoers would not stand for  
it.  Remember, it is only illegal to have drugs outside your body,  
not in it.

*~cosmic~

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And the report on the man that got arrested for possesion of
Plastikman's "Sheet One" cover. I bet th cops feel pretty fuckin'
stupid. :-)

-- 
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In a technologically-induced stupor, Erika Sherman flatly stated...
::                    _
::                   | |                           Erika  Sherman
:: _                 | |                         esherman@umich.edu
::| |     O          |_|                   *defender of cosmic freeform*
::| |
::|_|          ...what ever happened to PONG?!

I just wanted to share this with the list.  One of the best .signture files
I've ever seen.


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
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Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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In a technologically-induced stupor, Holly Korth flatly stated...
::
::about division within the scene...  i personally don't think that this
::will cause any division within the scene...we just aren't going to this
::specific party...we were univited, so we aren't going...it doesn't mean
::that we are starting a war or anything...we just aren't going to go, and
::becasue of it, none of the kool kids will be there and the party won't be
::any fun...but richie will be happy and that's all that matters right? 

The 'kool kids'?  Holly, this smacks of major elitism, ya know?  I don't
think it's...  aww fuck it.  This has been blown way out of proportion
anyhow.  I won't even be at this party so it doesn't directly affect me.  I
simply think that it sounds like you are of the opinion that people who only
go to the parties for the drugs aren't cool.  Some people I know are there
mainly for the drugs, but it doesn't mean that they show up and fuck up the
vibe for everyone else simply because of their drug use.

I understand why you have problem with Ritchies control factor.  I would,
too.  The reason this ended up as a discussion of this sort sees to be that
your original post made it seem like the only issue was drugs and not the
control factor.  Thus the situation with communication in this medium.


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
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hey now...


        this is the final word on this whole treetown vs richie
bullpuckey...we posted about not going to this gig in order 2 reach all
of the kids we've met n the last month or so, and fill them n on our
change of plans for that weekend...had we had all of their email
addresses, we would have mailed them individually...c'ing as we didn't,
we posted so these girls and boys would know where we were and why we
went there...so, those who need 2 know; now ya know...so could we please
end this before it gets crazy out of hand, and someboby's feelings get
hurt. 

love and shit,

samme sunshyne
treetown love mafia




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==============================================================================
     ___   ___
    /  /__/  /      Holly C. MacDonald - Korth    cybrgrrl@phantom.com 
   /  ___   /       hcmk@garnet.msen.com          hcmk@umich.edu
  /__/  /__/CMK     "I think I'm starting to peak now Al..." -- Beastie Boys
==============================================================================

On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, Steve J White wrote:

> In a technologically-induced stupor, Holly Korth flatly stated...
> ::
> ::about division within the scene...  i personally don't think that this
> ::will cause any division within the scene...we just aren't going to this
> ::specific party...we were univited, so we aren't going...it doesn't mean
> ::that we are starting a war or anything...we just aren't going to go, and
> ::becasue of it, none of the kool kids will be there and the party won't be
> ::any fun...but richie will be happy and that's all that matters right? 
> 
> The 'kool kids'?  Holly, this smacks of major elitism, ya know?  I don't
> think it's...  aww fuck it.  This has been blown way out of proportion

	the kool kids thing was a joke...sorry that it was misunderstood, 
	and i definitley don't think that only people who do drugs are cool

> anyhow.  I won't even be at this party so it doesn't directly affect me.  I
> simply think that it sounds like you are of the opinion that people who only
> go to the parties for the drugs aren't cool.  Some people I know are there
> mainly for the drugs, but it doesn't mean that they show up and fuck up the
> vibe for everyone else simply because of their drug use.
> 
> I understand why you have problem with Ritchies control factor.  I would,
> too.  The reason this ended up as a discussion of this sort sees to be that
> your original post made it seem like the only issue was drugs and not the
> control factor.  Thus the situation with communication in this medium.
> 
	the reason we aren't going is because of richie's control 
	problem...to be quite honest, i could care less about the drug 
	thing...let's just forget the whole deal...

*kiss*
holly

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i don't understand, i take it i missed something veryveryvery BIG, apparently s
omething about richie and a control problem. something about drugs, too. if ric
hie hawtin is opposed to the use of drugs, gee, i just don't understand. i mean
, even if richie became total and complete straightedge, i couldn't imagine him
 being opposed to "make your own decisions". i just don't see drug use and
any rave/party/collection of people not sharing the same roof. Fuck, my psych t
ext gives america 12 million marijuana users in 1988, the virtual height of ant
idrug paranoia (marijuana use rates have risen dramatically in the past 3-4 yea
rs, closely linked to the depth of our recession in 90)-- you are trying to tel
l me the shopping malls, nightclubs, Burger Kings, et al, much less a music-
related gathering of an at least nominally underground gathering are free from
drug use? [who do you think?] smoked a dugout bat with a police cruiser driving
 behind...
                  zippi T   doob ahge

                 t  a   t

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>>about division within the scene...  i personally don't think that this
>
>oh darn. none of the kool kids will be there. :-| oh darn. i always wanted to
>meet kool kids. :-|

Now now kiddies!! I'm not going to either parties! So there!!  Take that!!

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that's right, although you know if Richie..blahblah**THWAP** ouch!

Fri. Aug 5th 10pm-? $8 163 N.Morgan (Randolph/Morgan) is...
Soul Fusion with	Sean & Sergio
			Hernandez
			Hermy De La Cruz
			Ralphi Rosario
			Lego

Fri. Aug 5th midnight-?? @ 1746 W. Chicago is...
SNEAK with		Spencer Kincy  <-- :)
			Cajmere
			David Gandy

Acid Jazz Events:
	every tuesday @ the Metro (3730 N. Clark) is FunkNHabitForm
	with DJ G-Most. No cover, $1.50 drinks. 21+

	every thursday @ Serengeti's (1529 W. Armitage) is AcidJazz
	with DJ Who. $2

	Wednesday aug. 10th @ Parkwest (322 W.Armitage), at 7:30...
	Us3 with guest Reg E. Gaines. TicketMaster 312 559 1212

	[tentatively] Sunday Morning Nate will host a rooftop afterhours after
	Orgasm. I'll let him announce that, but just start to imagine having
	a good breakfast on the rooftop of a highrise while watching the
	sunrise on beautiful lake Michigan and Chicago skyline, while I provide
	James Taylor Quartet's version of 2001 Odissey to your sore ears :P
	Nate, any news?

A ciao bonsoir,
bambi
nib@dlogics.com

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> I just wanted to share this with the list.  One of the best .signture files
> I've ever seen.

*grin*

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what the heck is this?   the spastik mailing list?
*rolling eyes*
tad

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HELP!!!!!!!!!! i think hyperral is down..... whats to become of my day at work

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 > i don't understand, i take it i missed something veryveryvery BIG,
 > apparently s omething about richie and a control problem. something about
 > drugs, too. if ric hie hawtin is opposed to the use of drugs, gee, i just
 > don't understand. i mean , even if richie became total and complete
 > straightedge, i couldn't imagine him
 > being opposed to "make your own decisions". i just don't see drug use and
 > any rave/party/collection of people not sharing the same roof. 
 > [...]

I don't understand either, but i am curious since this discussion is on a
public list.   From what i can tell: 1) Rich asked the AA crew not to come
and 2) The AA crew contends that it is because he wants to control every
aspect of the party, including substance use.

Well if #2 is right Rich is silly.  There are *alot* of people with *alot* of
substances and there is absolutely no way to control who does what and when! I
will bring my own, or get something from one of three of my friends who are
hooked up- and Richie knows none of them.   They will be there, and sell, and
Rich will never know nor be able to control it!

One more thing which may relate is the messages on SPASTIKs infoline.  I have
been checking it and every time the message is changed, one point is *always*
made and made clearly, even though it is cryptic.  The voice says "Those who
know, know what *not* to do."  

But this may be unrelated.

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I received this flyer from LL Bishop at Hypnosis:

  Julian of LIFEFORCE and Big Life Productions UK present:
 
             "Spiritual Awakening"
                   colorado
           Saturday, September 3rd and beyond...

           -the greatest earth on show

Taking you to Planet E: SUPERSTAR DJ KEOKI (Disco 2000/Limelight NYC)
Tribal Shaman:  DJ MOLIGLI (Dallas) Transcending
Local Healers:  LL BISHOP, HIPPIE (and more tba)

Mellow Mood Masters DUB LIFE "Live" spiritual space

In Denver: 303-575-1711
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*************************************************************************

                   -Kimm


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hi!
my name is bridget and im new on the list.  ive never been to a rave party,
and would love to go to several.  i didnt think there were raves in the
midwest til the other day when a friend of mine told me different, and gave 
me this address.  i really dont know that much about the list, the people
on it, or whats taboo around here (my luck it would probably be corny self
introductions and sayin taboo...), so if i do or say somethin wrong, please
lemme know so i can try to avoid being a problem.  i really love music, and its
hard to find a place to go and just dance till you drop.  people are very
snooty and self concerned at bars and their goals are usually to find someone
to spend the night or their life with.  i just want a place that plays good
music and some space to dance.  im supposing thats what raves are all about.
the reason i am worried about sayin or doin something wrong iz cuz i feel 
like an outsider since im new and dont want to be the obnoxious newbie.
i live very very close to detroit, and i grew up there for 14 years, so thats
a good place to talk about if anyone wants to talk to me about raves i can 
actually go to.  i hope to hear from someone soon.

bridget



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Richie faxed this to me to pass along to the list...

---
Here's what happened from my end:

I had hear rumors that Tim (Elephanthaus) and friends were planning
on setting up a room in our party to ditribute various things.  Instead
of believing rumor, I called Tim and spoke to him directly.  I told
him that I didn't want anyone setting up anything in our party,
except for Get Smart, who, as we all know, sells drinks.

I was not just talking about the normal "A"rts & "E"ntertainment...
the rumors I had heard and other feedback about the plans were for
much harder stuff being made available (and in quantity).  Tim's
response was "No problem", and he semed to understand.

All we are woorying about is that people come to the party, because
people do make the party, and have a FUN & SAFE time.  I would love
to have a party full of people having fun.  Ireally don't need to
see people freaking out (on harder stuff) or laying around in the
back room unconscious.  I am not trying to control anyone, but I
do have a responsibility to ALL people who come to our parties.

I hope everyone who comes to the party, and does whatever they want,
has a fun and safe time!  AND ENJOYS THE MUSIK!!!

--Richie Hawtin
------------------


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Here's some additional comments of mine...

Samme & Holly, did you or did you not speak to Richie?  He doesn't
even know who you are.  He spoke to Tim Baker only.

Rumors are rumors, and I am glad Richie spoke to Tim about what
he had heard.  These rumors were spreading far and wide about
a supposed exclusive drug room, and Elephanthaus being the only
people with anything for sale, etc...

Also, to draw a parallel, I speed often, but when I have my neices
in the Jeep, or other people, I take it easy and safe.  I am glad
Richie is taking some steps (without strip searching people or
even worrying about individuals) to keep the party fun & maybe
even less bust-able.

To the claims that Richie is an e freak, I strongly object to
anyone making claims they know nothing about.  Talk to Richie
if you want to know what he does, he's more than willing to
talk to people.  When you are on the road or in the studio most
of your days, your 1 weekend off every couple months might seem
kinda short.


--fixer


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ad425@dayton.wright.edu done wrote:
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One more thing which may relate is the messages on SPASTIKs infoline.  I have
been checking it and every time the message is changed, one point is *always*
made and made clearly, even though it is cryptic.  The voice says "Those who
know, know what *not* to do."
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since i know little, I'll say little....it's seemed to me IMEO (that's
E-gotistical!) since the first post in this vein that perhaps
the Hawtinator weren't too happy with what _sort_ of 'stuff'
folks were rumored to be bringin'.  This would explain the "what
*not* to do" infoline message.  Now, if you were to listen to
me (and I _definitely_ do n't recommend this) it seems that if
somebody's throwin' a party, if they want to throw a certain
kind of party with certain, um, activities planned and others
discouraged, that's their business.  Ultimately it's their party.
Of course if someone wants to try _other_ activities, it's their
choice to go somewhere where they can do so and have a good
unrestricted time.  Personally, I'd rather go to parties with
certain A-ctivit-Es as oppossed to, say drinking.  Of course, I
know not what activities Meeeeester Hawtin ain't likin'....
just a thought, anyway.
yers (with *hugs* to _all_ MW-ravers, whatever your activitiacal preference),
(Galore &) Humblepie

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Wow.  Go away for two days and the list explodes...

Just some quick comments.  I think Rob Smith's fax from Hawtin laid out
what actually happened.  I'll add my comments later.  First off...


Adam Goldstein says:

> 	Wouldn't a guy who used a sheet of acid as an album cover (richie 
> hawtin) be acting in an inconsistant manner if her were to kick kids with 
> *stuff* out of his party.

I think the album artwork is not indicating his use or attitudes towards
substances, but indicitave of the type of music contained on that release.
Richie's music is typically called 'acid house' or 'acid (techno)', due
to the heavy influence of the Roland 303.  But you all know that, right?



Holly Says:

(quoting Erika)

>> The point that they are trying to make (I have spoken to the promoters on
>> this subject) is not that drugs are a bad thing, that drugs are a good 
>> thing, but that drgs an become a bad thing if they are usedin the wrong 
>> way - ritchie and his bddies and many others are into the scene because 
>> of the music not because of the drugs and they are all upset that the 
>> opint of the scene to many kids is drugs and not music - ie the only 
>> reason to go to a party to be to get fucked up - they don't like the 
>> idea of not being to appreceiate the art sober.. 

Well, if Richie heard about what he stated in his fax to Rob Smith, it's
obvious that some word was out on the streets about what was going on.  Let's
think about what's going on here... Richie is probably renting this warehouse
for this party.  Do you really think the person who owns it is going to let
it be used if it's known that all this heavy drug use is going to go down
in it?  Hell no!  (Re: David Hollands post about promoters having difficult
times getting spaces due to drug problems at raves, about 2 months ago I
think.)  The legal ramifications these days are TREMENDOUS.



> look...i don't know who you are, but richie and drugs go hand in
> hand...he has no qualms about uniting drug use and techno music...he
> merely wants to control the drug use...he wants eveyone to take specific
> drugs at specific times...not not use them...he is one of the people who
> promotes drug use within the scene and integrates it into his music...if
> he did not want drugs to influence or ovveride his music, then why is
> plasikman called sheet 1, and secondly designed like a sheet of acid...get
> a clue...richie is an e junkie and just wants to make sure that everything
> goes as he wants it to... 

First off, that paragraph is stating a lot with little fact.  When I went
to his birthday party, no one told me to take anything at any time.  And
frankly, I had a really good time at that party.

And see the above comment about the artwork/naming of his most recent lp/cd.

I really don't think Richie is a control freak as some had posted.  On the
various occasions I've met him, he's been rather nice and particularly warm.
But if I was throwing an event, and if I heard what Richie heard, I would
have done the same thing.  Legally, it's not worth it.



Andrew
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(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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drugs in the scene...

this has come up bunches, and, well, it's here again...
all this spastik shit came up because of it.
now, i have and will do my share of drugs, and yes, i do most 
of them at events

BUT!

if a PROMOTER chooses that he does or does not want *stuff* at his
party isn't that his choice?  (i haven't kept up with all the
gossip, but thanx to fixer and richie for clearing up the hear say)
drugs have killed scenes in the past.. and it will happen again..
while some of you may think this to be TYRANNICAL i find it
very REFRESHING...

hey you frequent drug users, when's the last time you went to an event
completely sober?  did you have fun?

well, i was clean as a whistle at new fresh scent... and i had fun
I WAS PROUD OF MYSELF TOO!

people comment about substance usage at events all the time, 
but, have you all sat back and thought about how it has affected you
and your view of the future of these events?

yes, *stuff usage* is thick in some scenes, and look where these
scenes _might_ be heading...

if anyone thru a party where one hoped everyone would be clean...
how do you think it would be?
do you think it would be any less vibey?
would you appreciate the music any more or any less?
would you not come? would you go for sure?

personally, i would have to see the d.j. line-up, and see which of my
friends were willing to go also.. i don't think drugs have that
much of an impact on my decision making

don't get me wrong, i like drugs, i like the experiences, and
the adventures to be had...

but i would hope that people would not skip a top-notch party just 
cuz someone wanted to be in control of there party, instead of
it controlling that individual...
look at the consequences that face all parties involved...

-a thought by amy m. walczak-

piglet*
donna fucking reed*

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has anybody heard more info about the orb playing
shows in chicago and/or detroit? 

i'm thinkin its probably another one of those
'would be nice but not gonna happen' things..
someone please inform me otherwise. :)

andy


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PITTSBURGH                                         Sept. 3-4, 1994
                 
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                         Hyperactive           (Chicago)
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                         Michael Meacham       (Washington, DC)
                         Dasez-Tempo           (New York City)
                         Scott Forbush         (Cleveland)
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                         Jedi Mindtrip      (Back Up from Baltimore)
                         Terry Kicks        (The Discoman you love)  
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                         Vic Money          (Fun House Productions) 
                         +FX                (The Original Hardcore Rok-Bot) 
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                         X-ON               (F.U.E.L Productions)
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* Sculptures and Installations by some of Pittsburgh's Finest Artists
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* The TURBO Sound System will be the largest system ever assembled in 
Pittsburgh thus far. (stay tuned for total wattage) 
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* Food
* Friendly Vendors

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* Out of Town bus trips - call the Millennium Infoline for details in your
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For additional ticket outlets or to help out or need flyers leave your name
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Ok, folks.  A lot of people are starting to ask me for
mixtapes.  I've been giving them out free for the past two
weeks, but I've gotten to a point where that really isn't
economically feasible any more.  I've spent over $150 making
these tapes, and...  well... I'm not rich, you know!  I
can't even pay rent this month!

So here's the new plan.  If you would like a copy of my
tape, Please send me (choose one):

a) $5
b) $4 and a good deed.  What I want you to do is to do
   something nice for someone who you normally wouldn't be
   nice to.  Write about it (at least 100 words... let me
   know what you did, how it made you feel, how it made the
   other person feel.. be honest.. if it makes you feel
   weird, say so...) and send it to me.  
c) An exchange.  Mixtapes, or other interesting things.  I
   don't think I can trade for any old thing anymore,
   because I'm not gonna be happy if I get a copy of a copy
   of a copy of a copy of a tape I already have.  email me
   first, and we'll talk. If you're a DJ yourself, a mixtape
   from you would be great.
 
The address is 
	Sho Kuwamoto
	1009 N. 6th St.
	Lafayette, IN 47904
I'll take care of the packaging, postage, etc.  Just send me
one of the above things and your mailing address.

What's on it?  I'm not much for categories.  It's on the
detroitish techno side, with some acid and other stuff
thrown in.  I'm not doing this to make money.. It's just
that I keep buying all this stupid vinyl and making these
mixtapes, and it seemed like a waste not to share.

-Sho
--
sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm
                            having for lunch!

<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.

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Yup, there coming....

My friend picked up tix for the Chicago show on the 9th at the Metro, but I havenot heard anything about the Mich. show.


							-Rick


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==============================================================================
     ___   ___
    /  /__/  /      Holly C. MacDonald - Korth    cybrgrrl@phantom.com 
   /  ___   /       hcmk@garnet.msen.com          hcmk@umich.edu
  /__/  /__/CMK     "I think I'm starting to peak now Al..." -- Beastie Boys
==============================================================================

look...i think that there was a big misunderstanding here...if richie
just wnats everyone to have fun...then that is super kool in my
book...everyone go and have a great time...
props out to richie for taking the time to recognize that we were
concerned...i have no idea where this "room" rumor started...but lets
put all of this to rest and just enjoy the party, the music and the
compnay, regardless of what anybody does or does not do...
*kiss*
holly




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I have a pong and take it to almost all the parties I go to.
I don't leave home without it.

And it's got 4 games, with pro/am option!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

++
e d w a r d  l u n a

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>From: SPeCiMeN <ndc@engin.umich.edu>
>
>has anybody heard more info about the orb playing
>shows in chicago and/or detroit?

The Chicago show is definitely this Tuesday, August 9 at Metro (3730 N. Clark).
Doors open at 9pm, show at 10pm, plus some other DJs spinning. Since the last
Orb show went 7-8 hours with all the DJs, expect nothing less...

I would purchase your tix right NOW. I saw no less than 4 ads in yesterday's
Reader for the show, plus a big fat blurb in the Critics Choice section.

tino

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On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, SPeCiMeN wrote:

> has anybody heard more info about the orb playing
> shows in chicago and/or detroit? 
> 
> i'm thinkin its probably another one of those
> 'would be nice but not gonna happen' things..
> someone please inform me otherwise. :)

I have good news for you -- I bought my tickets yesterday...

Wednesday, August 10 at Industry, 9PM
tix $12.50 plus Evil Service Charge

This is for real.

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<A HREF="http://www.msen.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>

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Far out, I just read 80 posts and boy are you guys a bunch of
groovoids or what?

So I'll just add to the mix--all that stuff about drugs--drugs
don't even get me off anymore, I'm serious--it's just all the same
to me.  Something else, I think rave is great (and I think 'rave' is
great word) when it lowers the barrier between artist and artee -->
instead of the performers being up on some stage like boring rock
concerts, everybody is on stage--the world is the stage.  I
appreciate the DJ's when they can show me something I've never seen
before, and they usually do.  I resent it when cults of personality
form around individuals basicallly robbing them of their humanness--
like w\Elvis who got alot worse after he became the King-although the
whole circus is\was very facinating to watch without becoming enmeshed
in it. Along the same lines, the scene is great when it provides a
fertile environment for people to realize their grooviest selves,
not when it becomes a contest to be the grooviest as defined by some
external code of hipness--I think your brand new clothes are cool
but I would like you even if you didn't have them--tell me something
you really believe in...

And here is something to think about--being that it is the big 25th
anniversary of woodstock and everything--these four things happened
within one month of each other in 1969--the moon shot (the exterior
result of a decade of intense tripping), Chappaquiddick (the end of
the only royalty america ever had), the Man-son slayings, and
W O O D S T O C K.  The way that this relates to mw-raves is in the
way that the movement of society goes in waves and it seems like we
are approaching another one--what do you think?

One more question, and sorry if it is too broad, can anyone recommend
a synthesizer/sampler/drum machine set up that can access samples
through the net?  And does anyone know of any mail order houses that
specialize in reasonably priced digital equipment? Speak slowly please..

Until the very end,

Marck Josef and the Brain Pharm

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okay, here's what I've heard from richie, and what he's told us to  
say.

"it's an Arts party, not an Entertainment party."

as in, no E, there's too much crazy shit going down with it recently.  
as in, most of it in the US tends to be mixed with among other  
things, Heroin. maybe I haven't kept up with things, but the last  
time I checked, that was some really scary stuff. anyway, so he's got  
a theme planned, maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't. frankly, I  
can't wait. the south end of the midwest will be up in force.

j2

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..although ya know if Richie *THWAPTHWAP* ouch ouch!

Friday Aug. 5th is Niobium 7087865347 3126041879 4149637825
	with	mystic bill
		traxx
		efex
		phil f.a.
		madd groove
		r.p. smack
		astroboy
		morbe
		synergy

Saturday Aug. 6th is Orgasm 3123497942 3128510427
	with	lego
		terry mullan
		daniell spencer
		ron trent
		freddie bain

Saturday Aug. 6th is Atlantis 3126041843
	with	frankie bones
		mark verbos
		groov-e
		fierce
		apollo
		andelicious
		tron
		jedidiah

that's all folks, 3 parties Friday night, 2 saturday, if u don't find a way to
have fun this weekend, get a shotgun and start mass murders :P

bambi
nib@dlogics.com

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hey ! oops... don't want that thread started up again. posted before  
the rest of the mail came in.
color me ignorant, because he told me that a ways back... the  
justifications were my own. as to the theme, well, that's what I  
think the theme actually is.
well, just rest assured that the video will blow yer mind.
seeya there...

j2

ps- anyone going to orb in chi-town tuesday night?

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Greetins all, just wanted to drop a line announcing my presence here on
this list.  Im from the Minneapolis area and would love to talk to anyone
about anything because I just love chattin.  The scene is pretty dead here
for like the next two weeks so it'd be cool if anyone threw some info at
me pertaining to any raves/parties/get-together/happenings or whatever.
                             ThanX
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On Fri, 5 Aug 1994, e d w a r d l u n a wrote:

> I have a pong and take it to almost all the parties I go to.
> I don't leave home without it.
> 
> And it's got 4 games, with pro/am option!!!!
> 
> WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
> 
> ++
> e d w a r d  l u n a
> 
> "Pzooooooooooooo!"--Titonton

Once again I think Titonton has been misquoted.  I believe I overheard 
this converstion and what I heard was"Pzzoooooooooooooo!"  I hope your 
not losing any face over this ED. ;)  Many other people than you believe 
often boot up their Pong games or clones.  In case you didn't know the 
K2000 has a secret Pong built into it if you know how to do it.  There is 
even a special sound set out for it.  Take care! 

Later,
Polaris |9 (<--this is chop lickin' w/ a big grin if ya can't figure it out)
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OK I've had *three* rides fall through on me so far, so if anyone even 
remotely close to Columbia or St. Louis would like to let me ride up with 
them and pay part of gas, etc. I would be SOOOO gr8ful. I also have two 
extra tickets, so if you were thinking of going and decided not to b/c of 
a lack of tickets.....

PLEASE HELP; hitchhiking from Columbia, while it may be necessary, is 
certainly *not* desireable. 

wally


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> 
> On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, SPeCiMeN wrote:
> 
> > has anybody heard more info about the orb playing
> > shows in chicago and/or detroit? 
> > 
> > i'm thinkin its probably another one of those
> > 'would be nice but not gonna happen' things..
> > someone please inform me otherwise. :)
> 
> I have good news for you -- I bought my tickets yesterday...
> 
> Wednesday, August 10 at Industry, 9PM
> tix $12.50 plus Evil Service Charge
> 
> This is for real.
> 

Maybe...

Richie just told me the Detroit show might not happen...stay tuned...

--fixer


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I'm really wanting to go to Yamaha in Nashville tomorrow, but I need a ride.

I'm in Louisville, and I know that there are some people from here going 
down there, but I can't seem to get ahold of any of em.

If anyone can help me out, I'd be *really* *really* happy. :)

Sypher


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      August 19-21
SUPERNATURAL

one hour away from saint louis on 100 acres along the Marimac River.  shower
facilities will be available.
also avaialable for your weekend enjoyment: canoeing,rafting,horseback riding,
tubing.
also near a 16,000 acre hiking forest.

c.d. give away
clothing by Homie's and Hoe's and Clock 'em

1st night - Big Tent

Hawke
Prototype 909
Chian(live performance under 8 bit)
Gavin Hardkiss
Robbie Hardkiss
King Britt
Adam X
Belejah
Sotaro
Trace-E
Astroboy
Jason Tartt

1st night - Small Tent

"Chicago House Tent"
Mystic Bill Experience
Miles Maeda
Robert Armani
Diz
Traxx
Morby
Dino Chase

Ambient Tent

Atmospheric Audio Chair
Mark Ameoba
Blur
Dreamscape
Driod
Tigger

2nd night - Big Tent

Rabbit and the moon
Mark
Joe-Ski
Reese
SOul Slinger
Barry Weaver
Dante Moore
Wade Randolph Hampton
Jajo
Merlin
Wax-ee

Detroit Tent

Mike Huckabee
Billy Bob
Mare
Eric Hupt
Mark Brendel
Dj Rah

Ambient Tent

Matt Houghton
Ray Velasquez
Dante
Soulslinger
Reese

Visuals by Eno-One

for more info call 312.604.1978  312.509.4982 -chicago
saint louis - 314.994.1143
tenn- 901.323.8013
boston- 617.859.3605
n.j.-908.506.9592
nyc- 212.696.8938
rhode island- 401.454.6020
philadelphia-215.552.8940

for more info e-mail tad aat
js784592@pucal.bitnet

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Hi to all. My name is Jay Gril. I continue this fall my studies in Graphic De-
sign here in Chicago, I  came   from Buenos Aires in Argentina, where I worked
for some clubs making flyers and also working as a video-jockey.
Ok, i'll go to the point (and stop talking about me, please dont think i'm an
egocentric person :)), i want to meet people who go to raves here, so if you
want send me an email (i dont know what to say, this sound like an ad in a
newspaper from a lonely person looking for a partner, IS NOT, so I finish this
crap).

Jay

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>j2
>ps- anyone going to orb in chi-town tuesday night?

As of Thurs, a couple of friends still got tix, but I don't know if they still have
them now.  All I know is I have mine, and a ride, err....a trip I should say.
Should be a long show for the Metro.




Lost rituals of innocence,                           *
folded in the dreams of paper airplanes    *                         Vox subDei
and thrown against the wind                      *

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    Hello gang,
	Yes, I'm still here - I've been waiting in N.Y. for a week and 
	a half to fly over to Istanbul and Cyprus.  However, terrorism
	(argh, it makes me mad) in the form of bombings are being directed
	toward the tourists their.  It's an effort by the Kurdish Separatists
	to gain some political leverage.  This has caused tourism on the 
	Island to be dangerous and thus slow - the end result is the whole
	thing is on hold to see if it clears up over there.
   
   Now I'm here with no shows planned  - but that's about to change - 
	More Later.

   See you at Spastik, ENOUGH SAID.

   Here's what's happening in Indianapolis...

	This Saturday        Aug. 6th    Indianapolis
		Nocturna  from SIN prod returns.
	720 N. college   10p-5a    317 895 4546\
 		DJ's    David Hollands
			Mike Bryant
			CyberJive
			Mike Schroff and others
 		3 rooms   2 sound systems   all ages

	Friday August 12th       Indianapolis       10p-4a
		Vitamin Lounge   317-579-3053
	DJ's   Jonathan Keith
	       David Hollands
	        and Guests

	Lights by Technocolor   Sound by Sound O'mighty
	18 for Motion  -  21 for Potion
		At the Walker 4th floor Laboratory, Indianapolis
		near IUPUI campus


          These events I promise will be great for dancers and music fans
	We've concentrated (
                                                 A C I D    
                                                 C O D E
                                                 I D E A
Yours In The Groove,                             D E A D 
Mind of the Perpetual Vibe,
   - David Hollands -         -Ball State University - Muncie, IN - 317.288.6277
                            Muncie/Indiana 24 Hr. Event Info Line - 317.899.8100
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-


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Heya...

I'm in the process of scanning anything I can get my hands on and trying to
assemble it in a semi-coherent mess to be put up on the mw-raves server at
hyperreal.com.  Please help!

If you have flyers to any events you've attended, thought about attended,
or just thought you'd throw out but never did, SEND THEM TO ME!  I'm
_specifically_ looking for flyers to the following events (seeing as
they're all from the Milw/Chi area):

        Alice In Rave-E-Land
        Descension
        E & E
        Flav-O-Rave
        Furthur
        Hand Of The Eye
        Hellbent
        Humanity
        Massive
        Rapture
        Rave Crispies
        Rave'em & Bail-E
        Reality
        Romper Room
        Tempest

        Any of the "Quest" Esoteria mini-rave flyers (besides 01.22.93)
        Any of the Nitro mini-rave flyers

..and of course ANY OTHER FLYERS!  I don't care about their condition.  I
WILL MAIL EACH AND EVERY ONE BACK if so requested.

        Craig Stodolenak, DTP Coordinator
        Kinko's Copy Center
        3266 S. 27th Street
        Milwaukee, WI  53215

Questions?

        414.384.2679        work
        414.384.2680        fax
        414.482.0399        home
        archon@mixcom.com   e-mail

_Please_ contribute!  Thank you!



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 > G'morning all
 >
 > Can some kind soul send me (e-mail is fine too!) the Flyer for rebirth
 > which is happening in Cleveland (yay!) 8/13/94 No wonder, 13 my lucky
 > number! ;)
 >
 >
 > Thanks & PLURs, TAREQ


REBIRTH
August 13, 1994
Cleveland

WINK - DJ SUN - DAVE TRANCE - DIESEL BOY
    SLEEPY C - DAN CURTIN - TOTS
BAGGA DONUTS - SISTA SPINSTA - JIMI DOOM

$14 at the door

Grays Armory, 1234 Bolivar Road

(216) 790 3682

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  Hey all!!   I am back once again!!   Sorry for that little hiatis, but 
I didn't have the time for awhile to keep up with the list.  I get up at 
6:00 am and log on before work now, so I'll keep in touch!   Hope to be 
posting more too!!   See ya around!!
Laters
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>Anyway, I post because I wondered if anyone else had read the story about dance
>music's future in the Sunday Detroit Free Press. It was straight out of the
>New Music Seminar in New York, but it was interesting. The point, basically,
>was that dance music can't be marketed, so it will perish and is already on
>a decline much like disco's.
>
Do you mean that we will be left alone soon ? ;)
Is (Sunscreem, Opus III, SL2, Capella) etc. good or bad for the underground?
Is the underground truly a thing of importance or am I a deceived and
idealistic child?

                                                           Chris Sattinger
                                                MOTHERING NOISE
                                        MONO ekagra
                                INFIDELITY RECORDINGS



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>
>
>>Anyway, I post because I wondered if anyone else had read the story about dance
>>music's future in the Sunday Detroit Free Press. It was straight out of the
>>New Music Seminar in New York, but it was interesting. The point, basically,
>>was that dance music can't be marketed, so it will perish and is already on
>>a decline much like disco's.
>>
>Do you mean that we will be left alone soon ? ;)
>Is (Sunscreem, Opus III, SL2, Capella) etc. good or bad for the underground?
>Is the underground truly a thing of importance or am I a deceived and
>idealistic child?
>
It was an interesting discussion of the financials of the majors versus the
indie dance labels.  That's why I enjoyed it, bascially.

>                                                           Chris Sattinger
>                                                MOTHERING NOISE
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>                                INFIDELITY RECORDINGS
>
>
>
>

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    ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.''  --Derrick May
I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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Hey peoples,

how goes it!? Well this being my first post I would just like to say
HELLO!!!! 8-0
Funny thing is, I've been into the Rave Scene for 3 years now, and
its taken me this long to get on this list. And to actually open up
and talk to people at parties....... Hmmm.. Well Better than never
I suppose.. Well now that thats out of the way. Here's the REAL
reason I'm posting.. Today (Saturday the 6th) is AtLaNtIs! In Chicago
I would LIKE to go, But being as my regular mates are out of town I have
nobody to go with. And I'm sure NOT going to go alone!! SO if you live
in the Milwaukee, Racine Or whatever area LET ME KNOW! We'll go!!
I'll drive.. 8)

I'm really flying high since last week at Fuse, Dancing on the Roof
was such a RUSH!!! If you didn't go on the roof, Too bad you missed the 
BEST part!! 


BTW:here's is kinda what I look like, Usually wear A Grumpy Hat (Yes
one of the 7 dwarfs), a Blue Motorola T-shirt says "when It HAS to be right"
Or a Shirt with a Little Space ship Guy on it.. Well If ya see me
some time, Say "HI!!!"

Ok, well I think I've wasted enough of the Bandwidth.... 

See ya in Transcentral


Steve Kaczkowski

steve@chaos.mcs.mu.edu




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HellO once again....

I WILL BE GOING once again to Trilogy THIS Sunday (Aug. 7) to rave the night
away.  I was just wondering (once again) if anyone else on this list is!  I
always find it a lot more fun to go there with a huge group of people.  Plus,
I enjoy meeting people that enjoy the same type of music I do.  So far, it is
going to be me and my friend, Christina going.  If we can't go together,
maybe we can at least meet there at a certain time or something.  I want to
believe that there are other people on this list besides me and a few others
(that I already have met this way) that go to Trilogy in the Cleveland Flats.
 

So if anyone at is going to Trilogy this Sunday that reads this, PLEASE
contact me by calling me (216-842-8342) or replying through this e-mail
thang.  OK?  

Hope to meet others!

Chuckie!



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If for some reason I don't catch my mail. Give me a ring.... I REALLY
WANT TO GO!!! 8) 422-1407


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.                                                               .
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Not a particularly facinating story but should at least break the
monotony of the current "clean vs. chemical" rave posts. :-)
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.                                                               .

Went over to my friend Dan's house (Dan - you might know him...he's
the kick ass talented stud that did the banners for IMSMARTRU and
Delerium as well as several of J^2's shirts). Anyway....we're sitting
around and talking about Earth and another fella, Greg, brings up the
fact that he met Tigger.

He goes on to explain that he's sorta pissed 'cause "Tigger" has been
his nickname for many many years and now anytime he'd use it in the
raving underground...people would think of the "real" Tigger. 

So we start talking:
--------------------

 Dan: "Well, why don't you do what some of the old-school people used
       to do when there would be two people with the same name." 

Greg: "What's that?"

 Dan: "Dance for it. You know like a dance off."

  Me: "You mean, like in 'Breakin II: Electric Boogaloo'? You've got to
       be joking."

 Dan: "No. I'm serious! Do it! Challenge him to a dance off for his
       name."

Greg: "Man, I'd loose, I can't dance."

--

Well, we go on trying to convince Greg that he should do it, if for
nothing else, the pure comedy of it all. But Greg backs down. Looks
like Tigger gets to remain Tigger without a fight. Well as Shakespear
said, "What's in a name anyhow?"

Peace, Love, and Genocide...

					.gKo.
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Greg: "Man, I'd loose, I can't dance." 
----------------
Hey, maybe he could _disco_ for it!!!
Then it won't matter if you can dance.
Even _I_ can disco!  :)
just a thought

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simply a listserv test...


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>okay, here's what I've heard from richie, and what he's told us to  
>say.
>
>"it's an Arts party, not an Entertainment party."
>
>as in, no E, there's too much crazy shit going down with it recently.  
>as in, most of it in the US tends to be mixed with among other  
>things, Heroin. maybe I haven't kept up with things, but the last  
>time I checked, that was some really scary stuff. anyway, so he's got  
>a theme planned, maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't. frankly, I  
>can't wait. the south end of the midwest will be up in force.
>
>j2

Hey! Does anyone know where I can get some Ketamine ? >:     ;>    ^ ^
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Death Rave Drug 2000 !

                                                           Chris Sattinger
                                                MOTHERING NOISE
                                        MONO ekagra
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  Hey all!
  
      I have been thinking and talking with others about getting together 
at Interstellar Outback and camping out together and everyone I have 
talked to has thought it is a pretty good idea.. Some of the ideas that 
have been kicked around are:
o Rent a really big tent to party under and stay under.
o Get some stakes and Police Line (which I can get) and have a Net-Raver
    area where we can all camp out together.
o Bring ear-plugs (which I can get) cuz &roo is getting older! 8^)
o Don't leave the site for anything, bring all the food we need and really
    camp out.
o Meet in Cincinnat (if you are coming SOUTH for the party) and get there 
     and set up camp together.. (I really am a Boyscout, I'll even wear 
     my scout shirt! 8^) )

  I was thinking of setting up a time in the very near future to get on 
v-rave and talk about what we are wanting to do for this humungous party!
Something like next Wednesday about 6:30 - 7:00..  Please let me know 
what you think about this either personal mail or back to the list (but 
lets not flood the list and piss people off cuz we are talking to much 
about one party! 8^) )  Thanx!  
Laters!     
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hey all!
I just picked up a flyer for this party called spastic.
Has anyone heard anything about it???
And whos this plastickman anyway????
-peace and hugs-
*spacEboy*
Oh yeah, and does anyone know if i can get drugs there???

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> 
> hey all!
> I just picked up a flyer for this party called spastic.
> Has anyone heard anything about it???
> And whos this plastickman anyway????

It's Ritchie Valens.  You know, "La Bamba"?
He and Buddy Holly are gonna fly in from the afterlife to do a special
show for the rave kiddies.

> Oh yeah, and does anyone know if i can get drugs there???

Yes, Revco will be there too, performing their hit "Beers Steers and Queers"



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Hey guys, its 8:00 and i couldnt get a place in a car for going tonight to
the Atlantis yet. Please if someone have a place Im in home right now. My
telephone is 312-563-9252. Please guys, I dont wanna stay here tonight :).
Many thanks in advance.

Jay

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Well, the subject pretty much says it all. =(  I went to the Metro
tonight to check out Blood of Abraham and they had a sign out front
saying that the Orb had been cancelled.  I also called andt ehy said
it was not gonna be rescheduled. =(  Oh well, at least I save some
dough.  Hope to see a bunch of y'all at Orgasm (and maybe Atlantis).
Also, the sound system for my afterhours did not make it =( so it
won't be happening.  But I'm gonna try again in the pretty near future
(Labor Day weekend, maybe).  Possibly look for a rooftop Ambient
night, even.  Love to all.

peaceout
	nate
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On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Mike Brown wrote:

> > 
> > hey all!
> > I just picked up a flyer for this party called spastic.
> > Has anyone heard anything about it???
> > And whos this plastickman anyway????
> 
> It's Ritchie Valens.  You know, "La Bamba"?
> He and Buddy Holly are gonna fly in from the afterlife to do a special
> show for the rave kiddies.
>

I guess you didn't catch it; at the last miunute the Big Bopper was added 
to the bill.

> Oh yeah, and does anyone know if i can get drugs there???
> 
> Yes, Revco will be there too, performing their hit "Beers Steers and Queers"
> 

It sounds more like a Cock thang to me. 

Later,
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Johnny Quest Once Upon a Time Said ::

> o Get some stakes and Police Line (which I can get) and have a Net-Raver
>     area where we can all camp out together.

I like this idea...


> o Meet in Cincinnat (if you are coming SOUTH for the party) and get there 
>      and set up camp together.. (I really am a Boyscout, I'll even wear 
>      my scout shirt! 8^) )

I can host some people too if coming from up north Thursday nite...


> o Bring ear-plugs (which I can get) cuz &roo is getting older! 8^)


Lemme state there that I really really value my hearing.  After a Front 242
show in cincy two to 3 years ago, I temporarily lost my hearing for 3 days.
A general inability to sleep because of the ringing didn't help.  Anyone who
attended this show probably remembers about 5 seconds of pure noise, probably
generated by equipment failure.  It really scared me.

In fact, if I walk by the speaker stack at an event, and if it's REALLY loud,
I'll stick finges in my ear to block out the sound.  Not effective over the
long run, but for just walking by the speakers (5 secs) it works.

So, with raving for 2.5 days or so at Interstellar Outback, I want some ear
protection. :)  'nuff said.  :)


Getting older,
Andrew
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> From:    goldbn@rpi.edu (Fireman 451)
> To:      Multiple recipients of list <mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu>

> Well, the subject pretty much says it all. =(  I went to the Metro
> tonight to check out Blood of Abraham and they had a sign out front
> saying that the Orb had been cancelled.  


they also cancelled in Detroit this morning (Saturday) too...   what
a bummer.

I guess the drum machine is broke!


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So...I left good ol' Sheboygan Wisconsin at 11:30pm on Friday to enjoy and
spin the party Niobium.  I didn't get there until 2:30am due to 94 East being
close cause a truck decided to slide across the freeway and lose its tires
and shit.  Upon arrival, Traxx and Mystic Bill were rocking a tag team thing
which I enjoyed...then Astroboy, then Efex, then Me.  
Highlights of the evening:
---Astroboy was exceptionally good.  HouseTranceAcid like a muthafuk.  
---The space was great!  Same location as Outerworld from a few weeks
back...fifth floor of a kick arse warehouse on Elston.  

Downfalls of the evening:
---Here's a story for you.  I was scheduled to spin after Efex, which I did.
 Some fellow named Bill (DJ Tantrum or whatever?)  who was not scheduled to
spin the party at all and had already played earlier in the night attempted
to bump me.  I told him very politely that I drove three hours to this party
and was asked to spin...two others still had to play following me (MorbE, and
Tripper Information Systems).  He took offense to this apparently (like I was
intruding on him) and picked up a lawn chair and sat directly in front of the
turntables...burning me looks and all that...occaisonally getting up to talk
shit to anyone around ("he's been on too long" and "this music sucks").  I
really don't feel threatened by other DJ's...I let my music speak for
itself...fuck the attitude and competition nonsense...I'm not gonna have a
fistfight over something so silly.  I just found this really rude and
irritating.
---Some other extremely fucked up fellow threatened the gals throwing this
party saying..."don't make me go to a pay phone and call this party in."
 Apparently, someone had been complaining that he was giving them a hard time
and the promoters told him to quit it or leave.  He also made some reference
to a gun.  Let's hear it for the mentally stable!

I had fun...apart from the above incidents...small parties are good.  Some
people need to control their drug use and others need to...well...forget it. 
Have a good day...

Brad-Synergy-Quadrasonic Massive
(resident list asshole who's moving to Milwaukee in two weeks or so)   


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>Johnny Quest Once Upon a Time Said ::
>
>> o Get some stakes and Police Line (which I can get) and have a Net-Raver
>>     area where we can all camp out together.
>
>I like this idea...

I like this idea as well, cuz it'll give us a chance to meet all the new
netravers, which
for me will be a lot. I was thinking that maybe a bunch of us could chip in
for a hotel
as well (or motel or whateva) so we'd have a place to go shower if we wanted....

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Isn't it wonderful when the Dj's who are one of the most important parts 
of a rave can't seem to get the idea of what a rave is about.....in other 
words, they resort back to kindergarten and throw temper tantrums cuz 
they don't get things their own way.  I know too many people who have 
given dj's in general the image of 'arrogant'  Although to my experience, 
Most of the dj's i have met are there to have just as much fun as the 
rest of us.  Wouldn't it be nice if we could just all get along???

Coming from a town where the dj's are not very well knwn (Albuquerque 
NM)  I got used to being friends with and hanging out with all the dj's.
No one was any better than anyone else, or thought they were =) =)

I love the dj's, and personally think the party wouldn't be the same 
without them =) =) (dumb joke.....*giggle*)

Have fun, and sorry to hear that some people can't get the idea =)

Peace, Love, and unity.....Jen (lollipop-Demongirl)


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Fireman 451 spewed..
>Well, the subject pretty much says it all. =(  I went to the Metro
>tonight to check out Blood of Abraham and they had a sign out front
>saying that the Orb had been cancelled.  I also called andt ehy said
>it was not gonna be rescheduled. =( 



This is how my week is supposed to start?  I mean, on the bus today this drunk 

tells me to wake him when we get to his stop.  He then gets off with me and stands
beside me to wait for our transfer at the corner and he starts telling me off!!  Then 

he proceeds to unzip his pants and piss on the cars driving by!!!
Now the Orb...I guess the next thing is the party will get busted for ...no..wait..
can't jinx that.

Thanx for the info though...it's better to hear it from the Net than some ticket guy
over the phone.

Vox subDei  

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>Downfalls of the evening:
>---Here's a story for you.  I was scheduled to spin after Efex, which I did.
> Some fellow named Bill (DJ Tantrum or whatever?)  who was not scheduled to
>spin the party at all and had already played earlier in the night attempted
>to bump me.

Congrats for not stooping down to his lame level.  It's weird man, I mean
ever since the "new school" kicked in over here in Chicago, things have
been stupid.  All these fools thinking that they're top bill, and trying to
prove so at the expense of others.  Pointless.  What can you do though?
They got something to prove, and no one really gives a damn if they prove
it or not.

>---Some other extremely fucked up fellow threatened the gals throwing this
>party saying..."don't make me go to a pay phone and call this party in."
> Apparently, someone had been complaining that he was giving them a hard time
>and the promoters told him to quit it or leave.  He also made some reference
>to a gun.  Let's hear it for the mentally stable!

See above.  Why do people gotta think they're hard?  Oh well.

Keep the vibe alive.

RISK

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truly mix.
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I have been told some people may have misread one of my last posts.
When I mentioned a possible cancelled show, it was in reference
to the Orb in Detroit, not SPASTIK.

SPASTIK is definately going to happen, and it's getting close!

--fixer


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In a technologically-induced stupor, Johnny Quest flatly stated...
::o Rent a really big tent to party under and stay under.

This would be great, but I'd still sleep in my own tent.  Communal living
has its drawbacks.

::o Get some stakes and Police Line (which I can get) and have a Net-Raver
::    area where we can all camp out together.

Umm, I dunno about this.  Why mark off our own area?  Sounds like Bosnia to
me.

::o Bring ear-plugs (which I can get) cuz &roo is getting older! 8^)

Poor soul.  'tis a pity, indeed.

::o Don't leave the site for anything, bring all the food we need and really
::    camp out.

Most definitely.  Buying stuff from vendors, even at parties, can be a bit
pricey at times.

I'll have to see about meeting in Cinci.  The latest from a certain Grinnel 
College student is I might be going to Iowa to meet up with a bus-load of
rave.folk.  More to come...


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
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P E R C E P T I O N

saturday september 10th, chicago usa

detroit selectors:  KENNY LARKIN - warp records u.k, +8 records
                    ERIK BONE - utensil records

chicago selectors:  ROBERT ARMANI - d-jax holland, dancemania chicago
                    MYSTIC BILL - physics, kind family, h.p. society
                    DJ TRAXX - underground construction
                    DAVEY DAVE - h.p. society

second room of ambient and club:  ATMOSPHERIC AUDIO CHAIR

pre-invitation / 24-hour info:  312.604.1978
stay tuned...

physics / vibe alive / djax records / h.p.s. international



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saturday september 3rd, labor day weekend, chicago, usa
core innovations vs. ripe productions
"no matter who wins, chicago will always be on top!"

proudly present the biggest, boldest, baddest, loudest, fastest,
and last event of chicago's summer...

F A M I L Y   G R O O V E   K I T C H E N

core dj's:    DBX (DAN BEIL) - peace frog u.k, accelerate detroit
              TERRY MULLAN - chicago
              EFEX - chicago
              MYSTIC BILL - chicago

ripe dj's:    HRD CRU - toronto, canada
              MARCUS - toronto, canada
              M.C. E.Z. - toronto, canada
              MIKE HUCKABY - detroit

smartbar:     IMSMARTRU - kentucky
              LIQUIDNEOS - chicago
projections:  GORRILA FILM & VIDEO DRUGS

5 watt argon laser

meeting point day of event:  SOLE JUNKIES
                             3176 n. clark
                             call for directions

ripe / core / fresh jive / untitled

312.509.6453
312.604.1978 x117
414.548.1973
612.649.4768
317.895.4546
314.994.1114
313.730.2202
608.283.3357



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saturday 17 sept. 1994

jungle ting
proudly presents
the original

B O O M

from suburban base records, uk
sonz of a loop da loop era

DANNY BREAKS - "droppin' science"
DJ AK1200 - "wide"

stateside selectors:           SNUGGLES
                               RP SMACK

holdin' it down on the m-i-c:  BLACKEYE
                               JJ JELLYBEAN

keeping it groovin':           TERRY MULLAN
                               MILES MAEDA

hold tight for the flyer with the complete info.  rollin'...




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join drop bass network as we say goodbye to an old friend, welcome
back another and benefit the humane society and maps all in one night

K A R S T E N
august 20, 1994 - milwaukee

feturing the finest local talent:  MIKE DEARBORN - chicago, d-jax
records
                                   TERRY MULLAN - chicago
                                   MINDRIVE - madison
                                   LOST BOY - milwaukee
                                   TRAXX - chicago

plus spport dj's and an ambient sound area

it's time for a change, you don't need a full color flyer on slick
paper to let you know this event is going to be a great time

promotions by:  NETWORK 10
                MO POWER TO YA

414.256.1733
414.777.3998
414.548.1973



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In a technologically-induced stupor, TripTaFunk@aol.com flatly stated...
::
::Brad-Synergy-Quadrasonic Massive
::(resident list asshole who's moving to Milwaukee in two weeks or so)   

Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their uncle is moving to
Milwaukee?  I've lived here all my life so I'm wondering what the draw is.


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I just saved three, count 'em, *THREE* e-flyers posted to mw-raves.  And I
thought the end of the summer was going to be slow and boring.  Guess again. =)


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On Mon, 8 Aug 1994, Steve J White wrote:

> In a technologically-induced stupor, TripTaFunk@aol.com flatly stated...
> ::
> ::Brad-Synergy-Quadrasonic Massive
> ::(resident list asshole who's moving to Milwaukee in two weeks or so)   
> 
> Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their uncle is moving to
> Milwaukee?  I've lived here all my life so I'm wondering what the draw is.
> 

Not many people know this but, the First Wisconsin building [the middle
finger of Milwaukee] is actually a sucker magnet... it holds incredible 
powers originally developed to repel illegal immigrants coming into this 
country... unfortunately something went wrong and they permanently 
installed it in the bowels of the eyesore of a tower built on a swamp.

later 
Stevn Kaye

btw, I'm also one of the suckers who fell prey to the power of the 
magnet, I moved here from Minneapolis, sheesh.

"Everything's Moving"_____ Techno Dave		latEnitE bEEt gEn.
						Sat. nitEs 9 t' midnitE
						91.7 FM, mlwkE



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==============================================================================
     ___   ___
    /  /__/  /      Holly C. MacDonald - Korth    cybrgrrl@phantom.com 
   /  ___   /       hcmk@garnet.msen.com          hcmk@umich.edu
  /__/  /__/CMK     "I think I'm starting to peak now Al..." -- Beastie Boys
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On Sun, 7 Aug 1994 michael.dautermann@umich.edu wrote:

> 
> they also cancelled in Detroit this morning (Saturday) too...   what
> a bummer.
> 
> I guess the drum machine is broke!

	I heard that the Orb was cancelled in the D for the following reason:
Amer (the owner of Industry) was afraid that he would lose money on the 
show...there was very little promotion done for the show, so not very 
many presale tickets were sold...which is mainly because everyone was 
planning to buy them later, or at the door...anyway...i've heard that 
people are trying to talk amer into keeping them booked, or at least 
having anunderground thing hooked up...however, now that the chicago show 
is cancelled, it will probably be way out of their way to come here...
*sigh*

*kiss*
peace,
i'm out,
holly
 

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i've seen a few postings about havinga designated "zone" for net ravers
at i.o....i've chatted about this a little with others and i still 
stand on the opinion that taping off an area isn't the best of ideas--
it all seems rather clique-ish and discirmiinatory?  i don't think
it's a bad idea to have a certain area for just net ravers...but
to "shut" other people out with bright yellow lines i think isn't soo
cool.

perhaps im being over/hypersensitive, but i wouldn't like it much if
i werent' a net raver and i saw a bunch of kids (as cool and good looking
as they are) crowding behind yellow lines.  i'd feel kinda booted out.

but i think it's a SPECTACULAR idea to have an area for it...just not
so segregated.  if there is an "area" for net ravers only, i'll be there
for sure, but i'm just trying to put myself in somone else's shoes
and get a view of the entire scene.....
-- 
**** "you shine brightly in my eyes..." ****                    ---cub
sara kim
skimmy@expert.cc.purdue.edu

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>it all seems rather clique-ish and discirmiinatory?  i don't think
>it's a bad idea to have a certain area for just net ravers...but
>to "shut" other people out with bright yellow lines i think isn't soo
>cool.

I don't think they are trying to shut out anyone, but just have an
area for net ravers, so you can like meet each other...lets not get
all wacky sara. :)

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The reason I'm heading to Milwaukee is for school...I don't find the city
terribly attractive.  And, I'm definitely not moving there to get closer to
the rave scenester action...or the drugs.

Delightfully yours,
Brad-Synergy-Quadrasonic Massive
(resident list asshole and appreciator of Warp Records)



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>it all seems rather clique-ish and discirmiinatory?

Why doesn't someone just hang up a big sign
that says mw-raves?  That would be more
invitational than separational.

peace,

ron
(rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu)


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>Why doesn't someone just hang up a big sign
>that says mw-raves?  That would be more
>invitational than separational.

Well it's not just mw-raves list people who are net
ravers either ya know...i'm going and i'm from texas. :)

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Howdy...
	
	Sorry for the lack of netiquitte but I was trying to get the
address for fEEd since the one they post in Massive 4 doesn't exist.
If anybody knows or if you guys are still sub'd - then drop me a line.
:-) 

Thanks.

					Mike

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Shameless self promotion follows....

On Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:04:01 -0500, 
Mike  <feynman@ksu.ksu.edu> wrote:

>	Sorry for the lack of netiquitte but I was trying to get the
>address for fEEd since the one they post in Massive 4 doesn't exist.

yeah, I noticed this but kept forgetting to post about it. the correct 
address for correspondence concerning fEEd is:

fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu

Maybe Matt can include a correction in the next issue? ;>  

We are open to playing basically anywhere in the midwest and just came off 
a pretty decent showing at First Ave a few weeks back.  It looks like I 
personally will being doing a solo ambient installation at an upcoming rave 
of ESP's but nothing is finalized yet. Don't worry, all the Midwest Raver 
sample tapeloops I\we put together will be in tow! ;>

We have alot of stuff coming out right now, including 2 songs (one under 
the name Manna) on DBN's Midwest hardcorps comp with other tracks by ESP 
and Hyperactive.  We also just had a remix come out as a bonus track on 
(chicago dance industrialists) Seven Red Seven's new CD on magentic 
records.  Busy Busy Busy.......

  Robert A. Williams<\>fEED</>iFIdeLiTy rECoRdIngS<\>fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu      
                            
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  to the output of the FILTER to back flush the trapped overtones to unclog 
  your filter."                                            - EML 101 Manual
 

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The subject says it all. Anyone would email me some addresses?
Thanks in advance.

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Mw-ravers,
	Some of you are wondering why everyone seems to be moving to Milwaukee,
while some of us have lived here all of our lives. *shrug* I would say the
people might have something to do with it, but then again.. that's another
story. So, here I sit.. trying to think of some reason why everyone is moving
here.. the only think I can come up with is this, pure luck. :>

			peace out,
			    Ramylson

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--- BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu ---

> Mw-ravers,
> 	Some of you are wondering why everyone seems to be moving to Milwaukee,

Yea.....I just can't figure out for the life of me why nobody's moving
here to Kansas instead. I mean, "Farmer Bob's all night Rave and Cafe"
puts up some pretty stiff competition with Milwaukee's scene. ;-)

					Mike

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--feynman@ksu.kwsu.edu--

>here to Kansas instead. I mean, "Farmer Bob's all night Rave and Cafe"

        Hey, hey now... I know Farmer Bob (nice guy, and hey.. he can drink 
	beer like water) and would move to Kansas just to see him again, but
	let's face it.. Kansas doesn't have cows like Wisconsin does. :>

			peace out,
			   Ramylson

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On Mon, 8 Aug 1994, Holly Korth wrote:

> 	I heard that the Orb was cancelled in the D for the following reason:
> Amer (the owner of Industry) was afraid that he would lose money on the 
> show...there was very little promotion done for the show, so not very 
> many presale tickets were sold...which is mainly because everyone was 
> planning to buy them later, or at the door...anyway...i've heard that 
> people are trying to talk amer into keeping them booked, or at least 
> having anunderground thing hooked up...however, now that the chicago show 
> is cancelled, it will probably be way out of their way to come here...
> *sigh*

Amir, eh -- so the Great Satan of Detroit-area entertainment strikes
again... Does anyone else recall that the previous Orb show scheduled for
Industry was also cancelled?  At this rate the Orb will be the Sly and the
Family Stone of the 90's. 

| Dave Walker, Detroit Art Services (DAS)                                |
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Mike Butler didn't include this on the list, and he wanted me to.  Enjoy.


Andrew


>From quest@iac.net  Mon Aug  8 03:48:46 1994
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> > o Bring ear-plugs (which I can get) cuz &roo is getting older! 8^)
> 
> 
> Lemme state there that I really really value my hearing.  After a Front 242
> show in cincy two to 3 years ago, I temporarily lost my hearing for 3 days.
> A general inability to sleep because of the ringing didn't help.  Anyone who
> attended this show probably remembers about 5 seconds of pure noise, probably
> generated by equipment failure.  It really scared me.
> 
> In fact, if I walk by the speaker stack at an event, and if it's REALLY loud,
> I'll stick finges in my ear to block out the sound.  Not effective over the
> long run, but for just walking by the speakers (5 secs) it works.
> 
> So, with raving for 2.5 days or so at Interstellar Outback, I want some ear
> protection. :)  'nuff said.  :)

  Ok.. Sorry about the ear plug thing.. 8^)  Yea, I was at the Front 
concert and it is still to this day the loudest event I have ever been 
too, the second being The Vibe is On.. 

  Who is doing the sound at I.O.????

Laters
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Steve J White writes:
:Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their uncle is moving to
:Milwaukee?  I've lived here all my life so I'm wondering what the draw is.

looks like i will be moving away from this raving metropolis *sniff*
(as tears roll down my face). i am growing up and graduating this week. i
have no idea where i will get a job and move to--all i can hope is that
where ever i go there better be a scene or i will have to make one.
so stevenJ, everyone i moving here, but i am leaving. :-(
ciao-julEE

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Julee Bokelman
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
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bokelman@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu                       Trauemen heuchelt!"
bokelman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                     -Goethe's Faust
jlb@gml.lib.uwm.edu

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RIGHT ON SARA!!!!!
I totally agree with skimmy's comments on the yellow police line thing!
I think it will be great to see and meet everyone.
HOWEVER!!!, blocking off a certain section is WACK!
Tha whole point is to GET TOGETHER, meet people, and have a good time!
How can this happen if your stuck in a "cell" so to speak.
Not only do i not wanna see anyone blocking off a section to themselves,
(that is sooooo cliqueish and not cool TO ME)
but I would not wanna be in an area where someone else is not completely 
welcome. 
I'm sorry if i sound like an asshole, but I think the idea is wack!
maybe camping close, hanging out a bunch, or meeting in a certain spot
at a certain time to meet, hang,etc....
But issolating the net ravers from everyone else is kinda like
the "cool kids" in high school who wouldnt let anyone else sit at "their"
lunch table. 
Their are lots of people i wanna see at I.O. , and lots are net ravers.
But i wont be in tha zoned section!
I'll be groovin, meeting as many people as I can,
holding Sara's hand and passing out pixie stix! (right Sara)
" lets stand TOGETHER ya'll!"
Besides, doesnt the idea of a large, constickting barrier that says
" POLICE - POLICE - POLICE - POLICE - POLICE "
kinda make ya cringe?????
i hope to see a happy, open, loving crowd at Interstellar Outback!
-peace and hugz-
*spacEboy* IS NOW LINUS (like from tha peanuts)
i'm still into tha whole spacE thing, but I got called linus 
this weekend and it stuck! guess i look like him (heheee thats sooo rad!)
*i'll be tha one with tha blue blanket and a REALLY big smile!*

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> Steve J White writes:
> :Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their uncle is moving to
> :Milwaukee?  I've lived here all my life so I'm wondering what the draw is.

I am also here all my pathetic life.  Who else is here?  I need friends...

-beatpunk

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In a technologically-induced stupor, Julee Bokelman flatly stated...
::
::looks like i will be moving away from this raving metropolis *sniff*
::(as tears roll down my face). i am growing up and graduating this week. i
::have no idea where i will get a job and move to--all i can hope is that
::where ever i go there better be a scene or i will have to make one.
::so stevenJ, everyone i moving here, but i am leaving. :-(
::ciao-julEE

This seems to be a relatively negative take on things, don't you think?  I
mean you may find work in Milwaukee, bustling metropolis (sic) that it is.
But I wouldn't be offended one iota if you left.  As a city, per se, it
holds little affinity for me.


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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Welcome to the list! Nothing's taboo here except, I assume, lying
about other people...you're in the right place; seems like a righteous
Detroit crew checks in here regularly.

Best,

Stuart Shea 8)



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> > Lemme state there that I really really value my hearing.  After a Front 242
> > show in cincy two to 3 years ago, I temporarily lost my hearing for 3 days.
> > A general inability to sleep because of the ringing didn't help.  Anyone who
> > attended this show probably remembers about 5 seconds of pure noise, probably
> > generated by equipment failure.  It really scared me.
> > 
> > In fact, if I walk by the speaker stack at an event, and if it's REALLY loud,
> > I'll stick finges in my ear to block out the sound.  Not effective over the
> > long run, but for just walking by the speakers (5 secs) it works.
> > 
> > So, with raving for 2.5 days or so at Interstellar Outback, I want some ear
> > protection. :)  'nuff said.  :)
> 
>   Ok.. Sorry about the ear plug thing.. 8^)  Yea, I was at the Front 
> concert and it is still to this day the loudest event I have ever been 
> too, the second being The Vibe is On.. 

I think Front 242 to played at Bogart's in Cincy and at the Newport in 
Columbus.  AT both venues, they brought in an auxilliary generator 
(trailor size).  I was at the Newport show, and it was definitely the 
loudest concert I have ever been too.  Amd I have been to quite a few 
concerts.  The second for me was the Firm and I sat under a bank of 
speakers.  Raves are a different matter, since you can usually adjust 
your distance from the speakers.  Earplugs are a must if you want to hug 
the bass for an extended period.  Haven't made up my mind if I'm going 
yet.  Looks like Rebirth and Voodoo are both going to happen for me.   

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>Well it's not just mw-raves list people who are net
>ravers either ya know...i'm going and i'm from texas. :)

Oops. Sorry.

Wasn't thinking.

Someone should hang up a big sign
that says NET ravers :)

peace,

ron

(rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu)


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>Well it's not just mw-raves list people who are net
>ravers either ya know...i'm going and i'm from texas. :)

Oops.  Sorry :)

Wasn't thinking.

Hows about a big NET ravers sign.

peace,

ron
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Minneapolis M.O.R.E. Productions
present

I N V I S I B L E
 
August 27th, 1994

Dan Bell - Accelerate records Detroit
Adam X - Brooklyn Groove NYC
Derrick Carter - Organico Records, LaCucaracha Chicago
Mark Farina - having just returned from the harkiss worldwide tour
              Chicago
todd p. - Innovative Records Milwaukee
4d - labworks recording artist "live in effect"
     aka DJ ESP

Sound by 4d audio
lights by laserflux
chill room by pleasure

612.649.4902
612.649.4768







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> >it all seems rather clique-ish and discirmiinatory?
> 
> Why doesn't someone just hang up a big sign
> that says mw-raves?  That would be more
> invitational than separational.
> 
> peace,
> 
> ron
> (rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu)

   I was just thinking a flag or something.. It's just that that would be 
a little more expensive.. I have this really kewl 'Radioactive Area' 
barrier tape at work that looks kewl.. but I understand what the deal is..
Laters
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taka-03@infinet.com:

>Raves are a different matter, since you can usually adjust
>your distance from the speakers.  Earplugs are a must if you want to hug
>the bass for an extended period.

Pish-posh.  I've found that when I've "enhanced" my experience that evening
with various substances, the next day my ears are fine.  Otherwise they
ring for a day, lately not even that long.  ...and I worship the bass.  :-)
Bring those EV-MT's on, brutha'!


--
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Sorry about this, but I must have been sleepin'

I accidently erased my copy of the post about someone selling mix-tapes for 5  
dollars.  Whoever posted that... coule you please e-mail me because I am  
very interested.

thankyou.

Sirkut

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>   I was just thinking a flag or something.. It's just that that would be
>a little more expensive.. I have this really kewl 'Radioactive Area'
>barrier tape at work that looks kewl.. but I understand what the deal is..

Bring the tape!! Make an area, cuz, heck, who gives a flying fig if anyone
thinks its elitist?? It's not. It'll give people a chance to tell others
about the
net and how it got people to come from all over to the rave. It'll give people
a chance to start up convo's with people you've never met. It'll show how
one can meet really cool people over the net. It may look to some people
sorta intimidating, but noone said anyone wasn't going to be allowed into
this so called Net area. It would make it a HELL of a lot easier for people like
me and the Houstonites that are going to hook up with the net ravers. That
way all our mw friends wouldn't have to run around and say: Hey!! This is
Noah from Texas!! From the Net! Remember?? To do this to meet all the
net ravers would be a serious pain. If there was a small area, and to even
consider it elitist is stupid, then it would be so much more simple for
people to hook up. This is NOT just you mw-ravers going mind you. :)
I just wanna be able to meet all yawl, ya know? Is that so wrong??

-------
Noah Lee   -- aka  "Juggler"
juggler@mail.utexas.edu  [ preferred ]
ab197@rgfn.epcc.edu
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 21:34:27 -0500
From: Sho Kuwamoto <sho@physics.purdue.edu>
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Subject: mixtape available

Ok, folks.  A lot of people are starting to ask me for
mixtapes.  I've been giving them out free for the past two
weeks, but I've gotten to a point where that really isn't
economically feasible any more.  I've spent over $150 making
these tapes, and...  well... I'm not rich, you know!  I
can't even pay rent this month!

So here's the new plan.  If you would like a copy of my
tape, Please send me (choose one):

a) $5
b) $4 and a good deed.  What I want you to do is to do
   something nice for someone who you normally wouldn't be
   nice to.  Write about it (at least 100 words... let me
   know what you did, how it made you feel, how it made the
   other person feel.. be honest.. if it makes you feel
   weird, say so...) and send it to me.  
c) An exchange.  Mixtapes, or other interesting things.  I
   don't think I can trade for any old thing anymore,
   because I'm not gonna be happy if I get a copy of a copy
   of a copy of a copy of a tape I already have.  email me
   first, and we'll talk. If you're a DJ yourself, a mixtape
   from you would be great.
 
The address is 
	Sho Kuwamoto
	1009 N. 6th St.
	Lafayette, IN 47904
I'll take care of the packaging, postage, etc.  Just send me
one of the above things and your mailing address.

What's on it?  I'm not much for categories.  It's on the
detroitish techno side, with some acid and other stuff
thrown in.  I'm not doing this to make money.. It's just
that I keep buying all this stupid vinyl and making these
mixtapes, and it seemed like a waste not to share.

-Sho
--
sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm
                            having for lunch!

<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.



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Here's a re-post of Sho's offer.  Enjoy...

- steven

________________________________________________________________________
In a technologically-induced stupor, Sho Kuwamoto flatly stated...
::From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu  Thu Aug  4 21:34:12 1994
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::Ok, folks.  A lot of people are starting to ask me for
::mixtapes.  I've been giving them out free for the past two
::weeks, but I've gotten to a point where that really isn't
::economically feasible any more.  I've spent over $150 making
::these tapes, and...  well... I'm not rich, you know!  I
::can't even pay rent this month!
::
::So here's the new plan.  If you would like a copy of my
::tape, Please send me (choose one):
::
::a) $5
::b) $4 and a good deed.  What I want you to do is to do
::   something nice for someone who you normally wouldn't be
::   nice to.  Write about it (at least 100 words... let me
::   know what you did, how it made you feel, how it made the
::   other person feel.. be honest.. if it makes you feel
::   weird, say so...) and send it to me.  
::c) An exchange.  Mixtapes, or other interesting things.  I
::   don't think I can trade for any old thing anymore,
::   because I'm not gonna be happy if I get a copy of a copy
::   of a copy of a copy of a tape I already have.  email me
::   first, and we'll talk. If you're a DJ yourself, a mixtape
::   from you would be great.
:: 
::The address is 
::	Sho Kuwamoto
::	1009 N. 6th St.
::	Lafayette, IN 47904
::I'll take care of the packaging, postage, etc.  Just send me
::one of the above things and your mailing address.
::
::What's on it?  I'm not much for categories.  It's on the
::detroitish techno side, with some acid and other stuff
::thrown in.  I'm not doing this to make money.. It's just
::that I keep buying all this stupid vinyl and making these
::mixtapes, and it seemed like a waste not to share.
::
::-Sho
::--
::sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm
::                            having for lunch!
::
::<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.



Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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Hi, I have this problem..

Every time "I'm every woman" by Whitney Houston comes on at work I start 
dancing! Is this wrong that I like this song? :) Just wondering.


				-Rick "I'm every woman" Fird


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re: Rick Fird and his dance fever

You are twisted and sick!  Actually, I will also shamefacedly admit to not
minding that song so much.  But then again I believe it is a remake of a disco
song (please correct me if I am wrong, disco buffs) and there is a law that one
must dance to disco without fail.  Okay, maybe just for me.  I like to dance,
and disco is, IMHO, utterly groovy...

M de Q

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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Rick Fird wrote:

> Hi, I have this problem..
> 
> Every time "I'm every woman" by Whitney Houston comes on at work I start 
> dancing! Is this wrong that I like this song? :) Just wondering.
> 
> 
> 				-Rick "I'm every woman" Fird
> 
Hey rick, It's a horrible thing, but I do the same thing, I even took the 
opportunity (as much as I hate to admit this...) to dance with a pillow 
in my shirt so I could look pregnant like she does in the video, back in 
Albuquerque at work one night =) =) =)  I think that they have encoded 
hidden messages in the song that say 'get up and dance like a fool' =) =) 
=)
Just thought you would be glad to know you aren't the only one =) =)
Jen (lollipop-Demongirl)
lollipop@arbornet.org
> 

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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994 QUINLANM@vmsa.csd.mu.edu wrote:

> re: Rick Fird and his dance fever > > You are twisted and sick! 
Actually, I will also shamefacedly admit to not > minding that song so
much.  But then again I believe it is a remake of a disco > song (please
correct me if I am wrong, disco buffs) and there is a law that one > must
dance to disco without fail.  Okay, maybe just for me.  I like to dance, >
and disco is, IMHO, utterly groovy... > > M de Q > Being the resident
disco buff (correct me if I'm wrong, but I spin disco =) =) =) ) I don't
believe that it is a remake of a disco song =), it is kind of disco'ish,
and perhaps since I have shamelessly admitted to having danced to it,
perhaps i could put it in a disco set next time I spin =) =) Disco is
utterly groovy!!!! jen (lollipop-demongirl)


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Concerning all the hub-bub about the elitist look and feel some ppl
think a sectioned off space at I.O. would bring, here are my thoughts
on the idea:

I am of the opinion that a sectioned off, more like designated for net
ravers, i mean, you can't very well tell ppl where they may or may not
go :)  (anyway...) is a good idea.  Like Juggler said, i do not feel
like running around all night asking strangers, "Hey!, are you a net
raver?"  
I think a sign is a nice idea, but personally i like the idea of that
tape mike Butler was talking about better.
I don't think we are being snobby and saying that no one else can come
near us.  more like ppl will be able to go, "ok, there are those crazy
net ravers."  :)
To me it brings the idea of a safer place to lay around.  now, no one
go flying off the handle because i said a "safer" place because i know
that raves are not really dangerous, but at a party this big,
especially being FREE, i for one would feel better knowing my stuff
and myself are around the company of ppl i know i can trust.  (well,
except for chuck, that is)  (just kidding dear :)
Besides, on a more logical side, when someone is looking for a net
raver, all that person has to say is, "see the tape over there?
somewhere in there, that's where s/he is."

sorry i took up that space, but this is my last party for a while
because i am going back to school and i don't have every weekend to go
raving, so i want to make this one as memorable as possible.
-- 
thank you JJ for throwing this great (and i know it will be) event.  :)

On a related topic, if anyone is coming to the cincy area the night
before, i know andrew has already offered his place, but i have some
space if he fills up, and we're only a mile apart.
also, if you want to caravan down on friday, let me know.  :)

Becca Maslow
amaslow@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
little elf :)

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In a technologically-induced stupor, Rick Fird flatly stated...
::
::Every time "I'm every woman" by Whitney Houston comes on at work I start 
::dancing! Is this wrong that I like this song? :) Just wondering.

Define wrong.  It's only 'wrong' if you truly don't like the song and something
evil lurks beneath your flesh and crawls out when the song plays.  Then again,
that sounds pretty cool, too.


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						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
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  Ok.. About this barrier tape - elitest thing..  

  I can see both sides, yes it does set you aside from the rest IF you 
rope off the whole area.. My idea was to have rows of tents and barrier 
tape behind the tents (you don't want people tripping over the tie downs, 
right?) and part way around.. Not all the way around with only one 
enterance and exit but a whole side and 1/2 of each side "roped" off so 
that people know where we are so we can stick together.  Is that elitest? 
If so, I am (which I am not).. I am sorry for the whole debate this has 
caused, I didn't mean to!  

  Don't forget, tomorrow at 6:30 - 7:00 on V-Rave if you can!!!

Laters!
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------
ATTN: submissions needed for a series of rave/techno-related compilations
      by net-musicians.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

                newly spawned,
           InterLAB rekkids is
   preparing to release the 1st of a series
of compilations comprising SOLELY of material
  by net-musicians. this series will serve as tangible
      evidence of an ever-growing, digitally-interconnected community
           of musicians today still only known to us.   

	this is not for profit! this is an AT COST sort
 	 of deal. we're not interested in lots of $$$.
	     we just want to spread material = communicate. 
		   our goal is to show the dance culture the power
			    of the net and the talent of the people
                                           involved.


                                                          SUBMISSIONS
                                                      --------------
		                                  InterLAB rekkids
			                    2582 stowell unit S
			        milwaukee wisconsin 53211
		                            USA
	please include
   name, address and
booking info (if any).
      cassette, DAT or even VHS format acceptable. material will be
                returned only if requested. your submissions will be
 		           considered for future releases on vinyl
                                    if you are interested, 
					    of course.

     yours in unity through dance,

                         acidophile & modE


----------------------------------------------------------
InterLAB rekkids
1994

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This is going to be short since I am extremely tired.....

I am going to Rebirth this Saturday, for sure.  Anyone that lives in Parma or
near-by and needs a ride to Rebirth, let me know.  Right now I have room for
at least 3 or 4 more people, since I am as of now driving by myself to meet
friends there.  I *MIGHT* ALSO have crash space for about 2 people.  The
crash space thang is not for sure yet.  Anyway, I have to go now b4 I fall
asleep.  E-mail me or call me (842-8342) to let me know a.s.a.p.

But b4 I go.... I agree that a meetwhile for this rave might be groovy.
 Anyone else got an opinion or an idea on it?

Hope to meet more people!!!

Chuckie!



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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote:

> taka-03@infinet.com:
> 
> >Raves are a different matter, since you can usually adjust
> >your distance from the speakers.  Earplugs are a must if you want to hug
> >the bass for an extended period.
> 
> Pish-posh.  I've found that when I've "enhanced" my experience that evening
> with various substances, the next day my ears are fine.  Otherwise they
> ring for a day, lately not even that long.  ...and I worship the bass.  :-)
> Bring those EV-MT's on, brutha'!

I was NOT referring to the ringing (and I don't know exactly what is 
going on in your ears that causes that--does anyone out there know?) in 
your ears, but rather permanent hearing loss.  MAybe this isn't so 
important to you as an end user, but my livelihood depends on it!  I know 
people who DO suffer from hearing loss as a direct result of loud sounds 
and music.  This really isn't a trivial matter; the loss is 
unreversible.  Sorry, not trying to preach.  Some people chose to live 
ONLY for the moment regardless of the consequences; I am not one of those 
people.  I want to have a hell of a lot more incredible experiences in my 
life.  And I do live for the THUMP.  I FEEEEL it, not just listen to it!

Later,
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what the fuck is up with hyperreal?
its like totally down.
that things sucks
its been nothign but a big lag and a huge inconvienence
tad

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> 
> what the fuck is up with hyperreal?
> its like totally down.
> that things sucks
> its been nothign but a big lag and a huge inconvienence
> tad
> 
A free service that you are voluntarily using is an inconvenience?

--fixer


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I've been asked to keep the same format of the old calendar, as some people
are using software to filter out stuff and save the information in new and
exciting ways (or something :-).  I have a question, though.  Does anyone
know about this:

  46    06/11 S  Detroit        SOLO
  26    06/18 S  Detroit        NIRVANA

Okay, the first field is the meetwhile (I'll leave '00'), the second the
date of the event, the fourth and fifth the city and event title,
obviously.  What's the third field for?  It's either 'S' or 'F', and I have
no idea of the character signifigance.

I'm putting together the calendar for this afternoon.  Could someone please
help me out with this?  Thanks!


--
Craig L. Stodolenak
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In a technologically-induced stupor, Craig L. Stodolenak flatly stated...
::
::  46    06/11 S  Detroit        SOLO
::  26    06/18 S  Detroit        NIRVANA

S = Saturday
F = Friday


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Saturday, Aug 13, 8pm (or whenever)

Pre-SPASTIK party, with DJ's Bone & St. John

Directions:

>From I-94, go South on US-10 (the Lodge Freeway).  Lodge turns
into Jefferson Ave, eastbound.  Follow Jefferson east 1/2 mile.
Turn left on Beaubien.  Three blocks ahead is Fort.  Parking
lot is on the NW corner of Beaubien & Fort.

My loft is above Niki's Pizza, which is the building on the North
side of the parking lot.  Loft #542 & 211.  We are in process
of moving from 542 to 211, so depending on what time you arrive,
we might be at either one.  No phone there, but anyone can
give you directions to Greektown, and Niki's, if you get lost.


To get to I-94 & US-10, go West from I-75, or East from Ann Arbor/
I-275/Metro Airport/Jackson/etc...

--fixer


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>From Sasha in MD! :)

_____________________________________________________________________


HI all! Just a quick hello seeing as i'm not on the list anymore.
I just wanted to ask you all if anyone was interested in a trip to MD
via car with a passenger who is very willing to help pay gas if
she has a job by then? :)   I might be coming in for interstellar outback
via plane (my return flight ticket for leaving lexington in the first place)
and need al ift back to MD on sunday, as i might be working monday.
(IF i get a job i'm looking at today...if not, then i won't
n eed to be back sunday)  Anyone interested, please resond.
JJ ? any rides heading this way? :)
Andrew? Others? :)
Thanks to anyone that responids.
Sasha


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                                      ______ ______ _      _ ______  ______
                                      \      \     \ \    / /     / /
                         /\  /\\  /\  /\      \_____\ \  / /_____/ /_____
                        /  \/  \\/  \/  \      \     \ \/ /______ ______/
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  Code  Date     City           Event
  ----- -------  -------------- --------------------------------------
  00    08/12 F  Chicago        BALLISTIX
  00    08/13 S  Chicago        ACIDIC OPERA
  00    08/13 S  Cleveland      REBIRTH
  00    08/13 S  Detroit        SPASTIK
  00    08/20 S  St. Louis      SUPERNATURAL (3-day event)
  00    08/20 S  Milwaukee      KARSTEN
  23    08/26 S  Lexington      INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK (3-day event)
  00    08/27 S  Minneapolis    INVISIBLE
  00    09/03 S  Chicago        FAMILY GROOVE KITCHEN
  00    09/03 S  Denver         SPIRITUAL AWAKENING
  00    09/03 S  Pittsburgh     MORPH 1 (2-day event)
  00    09/10 S  Chicago        PERCEPTION
  00    09/10 S  Dayton         VOODOO
  00    09/17 S  Chicago        BOOM
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=== MWRaves Calendar ====================================================
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 Issued every WEDNESDAY.  (Last update 08/10/94)

 Get an *updated* version via ftp hyperreal.com:/raves/mw/mwravescalendar
 
                  ADDs and CORRECTs: archon@mixcom.com

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=== MWRaves Automated Meetwhile-Raving Server ===========================
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 It's so EASY!!!  (It's also so NOT WORKING until further notice)

  every week the you'll find numbers next to the events listed at the
  top of the calendar. the numbers range from 01 thru 50. it all works
  by sending mail to: modE@csd.uwm.edu

  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
  to GET meetwhile 12:

          To: modE@csd.uwm.edu
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=== MainSection ============================================ E-flyers ===
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12 AUGUST                     CHICAGO             BALLISTIX

Acidic Opera Pre Party

B A L L I S T I X

Aug. 12

Noise Makers:  Robert Armani
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               Efex
               Sonic Boom
               Madd Groove
               Phantom 45
               Snuggles
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Info:          708-786-3940
               312-509-6869

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13 AUGUST                     CHICAGO             ACIDIC OPERA

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of the warehouse concept to be reuinted in that constant burning
bright buzzing electric light of Life.  We invite you to step into
our world...

massive video screen walls by Zero Films

san fran/chicago
MARK FARINA

via chicago atv/d-jax up-beats
ROBERT ARMANI

via chicago
MIKE DEARBORN
d-jax up-beats

milwaukee
JEDIDIAH
drop bass network terror unit

chicago's hometown heroes

EFX
assailant

PHANTOM 45
cha

DELTA NINE / TRON
12 guage / drop bass records

DJ ADRIEN
house guru

312.918.9084            Sense's main/out of town info
708.581.3200 ext. ATP   Suburbs (ATP)
414.256.1784            Milwaukee (Underground Laboratories)
612.649.4902            Minneapolis (M.O.R.E.)
212.330.8233            N.Y.C. (Drop Entertainment)
314.994.1114            St. Louis
708.786.3940            pre event info
312.509.6869            pre event info

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13 AUGUST                     CLEVELAND           REBIRTH

REBIRTH
August 13, 1994
Cleveland

WINK - DJ SUN - DAVE TRANCE - DIESEL BOY
    SLEEPY C - DAN CURTIN - TOTS
BAGGA DONUTS - SISTA SPINSTA - JIMI DOOM

$14 at the door

Grays Armory, 1234 Bolivar Road

(216) 790 3682

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13 AUGUST                     DETROIT             SPASTIK

If anyone's interested, Richie will be performing live as PlastikMan for
the first time in the US.  August 13, Detroit, MI.  Party is called
SPASTIK.  DJ's Richie Hawtin, Terry Mullin, Jetstream, and the Acid Guru.
313/730-4097 for info & directions.

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19-21 AUGUST Friday-Sunday    ST. LOUIS           SUPERNATURAL

      August 19-21
SUPERNATURAL

one hour away from saint louis on 100 acres along the Marimac River.  shower
facilities will be available.
also avaialable for your weekend enjoyment: canoeing,rafting,horseback riding,
tubing.
also near a 16,000 acre hiking forest.

c.d. give away
clothing by Homie's and Hoe's and Clock 'em

1st night - Big Tent

Hawke
Prototype 909
Chian(live performance under 8 bit)
Gavin Hardkiss
Robbie Hardkiss
King Britt
Adam X
Belejah
Sotaro
Trace-E
Astroboy
Jason Tartt

1st night - Small Tent

"Chicago House Tent"
Mystic Bill Experience
Miles Maeda
Robert Armani
Diz
Traxx
Morby
Dino Chase

Ambient Tent

Atmospheric Audio Chair
Mark Ameoba
Blur
Dreamscape
Driod
Tigger

2nd night - Big Tent

Rabbit and the moon
Mark
Joe-Ski
Reese
SOul Slinger
Barry Weaver
Dante Moore
Wade Randolph Hampton
Jajo
Merlin
Wax-ee

Detroit Tent

Mike Huckabee
Billy Bob
Mare
Eric Hupt
Mark Brendel
Dj Rah

Ambient Tent

Matt Houghton
Ray Velasquez
Dante
Soulslinger
Reese

Visuals by Eno-One

for more info call 312.604.1978  312.509.4982 -chicago
saint louis - 314.994.1143
tenn- 901.323.8013
boston- 617.859.3605
n.j.-908.506.9592
nyc- 212.696.8938
rhode island- 401.454.6020
philadelphia-215.552.8940

for more info e-mail tad aat
js784592@pucal.bitnet

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20 AUGUST                     MILWAUKEE           KARSTEN

join drop bass network as we say goodbye to an old friend, welcome
back another and benefit the humane society and maps all in one night

K A R S T E N
august 20, 1994 - milwaukee

feturing the finest local talent:  MIKE DEARBORN - chicago, d-jax
records
                                   TERRY MULLAN - chicago
                                   MINDRIVE - madison
                                   LOST BOY - milwaukee
                                   TRAXX - chicago

plus spport dj's and an ambient sound area

it's time for a change, you don't need a full color flyer on slick
paper to let you know this event is going to be a great time

promotions by:  NETWORK 10
                MO POWER TO YA

414.256.1733
414.777.3998
414.548.1973

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26-28 AUGUST Friday-Sunday    LEXINGTON           INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK 

INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK

a rural campground area near Lexington, Ky - August 26th-28th

a TOTALLY, UTTERLY FREE outdoor gathering of the technontological  tribe

confirmed DJ's:
Richie Hawtin (not the +8 records guy AGAIN...)
Dieselboy (pittsburg's phat boy)
Nigel Richards (philly's 611 person)
Goodwill (delaware acid jazzman)
Mystic Bill (chicago funk boy)
Jajo (just getting home from madrid with fresh, piping hot euro house)
Blazt (fleeing nyc in pursuit of the vibe)
Thome Tomato (arguably the most durable fruit on the planet)

and a hell of a lot more, from friday night to sunday night

info at 606.281.4193 & most regional infolines. 

"we're so crazy, we're giving it away."
>> I'm prepared to sell whatever I own to do this if I have to. Anyone
willing to donate goods, money, or just to help set stuff up will be greatly
appreciated. contact jj at either voicemail at the above number, voice at
606.253.1376, snailmail as jj haws, 323 West Virginia B, lexington, ky, 40504,
email at <uk02657@mik.uky.edu> we will also need some way to get rid of
50,000 flyers. can you help?

> we have recieved word from the aliens actually throwing this event  
> that the following pimpin' actions have been taken in accordance with  
> laws of funkular physics we cannot grasp:
> 
> the information below pertains to a gathering august 26-28, in ky
> 
> *) richie hawtin, john, and vapourspace are going to europe. curses.  
> may fire rain down on their souls, unless of course they throw the as  
> yet unnamed +8/meddling kids detroit vs. kentucky party october 8th,  
> with richie, john, terry as confirmed and vapourspace as "uh, if i'm  
> not already out of the country". if you bothered to notice this,  
> calender it.
> 
> *) josh wink will officially be in the house. er, in the techno.
> mike huckaby can have the house. billebob, uhm, in the tent.
> 
> *) mystery headliner hints. more than one. includes: spun.  
> soulslinger. and more. be prepared to bug out. spread verbally. tease  
> your pets.
> 
> *) damn, we are really running out of money. fliers are designed, not  
> printed, but in order to secure plane tickets at decent prices, er,  
> uhm. if you or your organization would like to donate, please  
> contact. the scale of this event has evolved to the point where we  
> have to prepare facilities for, according to best guestimates, 5000  
> humans. the aliens assisting us are unable to provide earth cash  
> until later this month.
> 
> *) look for an artist compilation coming out to help generate money.  
> more info later.
> 
> *) we are providing the basic wierdness. we invite others- you, the  
> ravers- to assist in elevating the base funkiness level of the  
> environment. please, regard this as your sacred mission as 4th-tier  
> networked human intelligences.
> 
> *) yes, fliers will be mass mailed. as of now, we have 250 addresses  
> to send fliers to. gee. that's a lot.
> 
> *) this will be jsquared's last party. due to recent alien  
> interaction, he will shortly have to have a translator to speak  
> effective english. 
> 
> 
> peace & slugs
> j2
> 606.253.1376  vm - 606.281.4193
> 323 west virginia B, lex, ky 40504

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27 AUGUST                     MINNEAPOLIS         INVISIBLE

Minneapolis M.O.R.E. Productions
present

I N V I S I B L E
 
August 27th, 1994

Dan Bell - Accelerate records Detroit
Adam X - Brooklyn Groove NYC
Derrick Carter - Organico Records, LaCucaracha Chicago
Mark Farina - having just returned from the harkiss worldwide tour
              Chicago
todd p. - Innovative Records Milwaukee
4d - labworks recording artist "live in effect"
     aka DJ ESP

Sound by 4d audio
lights by laserflux
chill room by pleasure

612.649.4902
612.649.4768

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03 SEPTEMBER                  CHICAGO             FAMILY GROOVE KITCHEN

saturday september 3rd, labor day weekend, chicago, usa
core innovations vs. ripe productions
"no matter who wins, chicago will always be on top!"

proudly present the biggest, boldest, baddest, loudest, fastest,
and last event of chicago's summer...

F A M I L Y   G R O O V E   K I T C H E N

core dj's:    DBX (DAN BEIL) - peace frog u.k, accelerate detroit
              TERRY MULLAN - chicago
              EFEX - chicago
              MYSTIC BILL - chicago

ripe dj's:    HRD CRU - toronto, canada
              MARCUS - toronto, canada
              M.C. E.Z. - toronto, canada
              MIKE HUCKABY - detroit

smartbar:     IMSMARTRU - kentucky
              LIQUIDNEOS - chicago
projections:  GORRILA FILM & VIDEO DRUGS

5 watt argon laser

meeting point day of event:  SOLE JUNKIES
                             3176 n. clark
                             call for directions

ripe / core / fresh jive / untitled

312.509.6453
312.604.1978 x117
414.548.1973
612.649.4768
317.895.4546
314.994.1114
313.730.2202
608.283.3357
        
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03 SEPTEMBER                  DENVER              SPIRITUAL AWAKENING

  Julian of LIFEFORCE and Big Life Productions UK present:
 
             "Spiritual Awakening"
                   colorado
           Saturday, September 3rd and beyond...

           -the greatest earth on show

Taking you to Planet E: SUPERSTAR DJ KEOKI (Disco 2000/Limelight NYC)
Tribal Shaman:  DJ MOLIGLI (Dallas) Transcending
Local Healers:  LL BISHOP, HIPPIE (and more tba)

Mellow Mood Masters DUB LIFE "Live" spiritual space

In Denver: 303-575-1711
Colorado/Surrounding States:  303-575-1113  

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03-04 SEPTEMBER               PITTSBURGH          MORPH 1

                           M I L L E N N I U M
                                Presents
               MMM     MMM                          
               MMMM   MMMM    OO      RRRRR    PPPPP   HH  HH 
               MMMMM MMMMM  OO  OO    RR   R   PP  PP  HH  HH
               MMM  M  MMM    OO      RRRRR    PPPPP   HHHHHH
               MMM     MMM        1   RR  RR   PP      HH  HH
                                 111  RR   RR  PP      HH  HH
                                1 11                             
                                  11
                                  11
                                  11
                                11111                              
                     
                     21    HOURS    of   WICKED   FUN!
                            Saturday, September 3  
                        2pm-11am [or longer] Sunday 
                   at the Seven Springs Mountain Resort

On September 3, 1994, the Millennium Co-operation will unleash the largest 
MOST AMAZING EVENT YET IN THE TRI-STATE AREA! This event combines the talents
of over 200 plus person who have joined together to take reality to the 
highest level. The time has come to build your own world! Make it happen!

      All Biological and Extra-Terrestrial Lifeforms Welcome!
 
DJ's and Live PA's:
                         Controlled Weirdness  (London, UK)      
                         Hyperactive           (Chicago)
                         Jethrox               (Drop Bass Network, Milwaukee)
                         Jedediah the Messiah  (Drop Bass Network, Milwaukee)
                         Michael Meacham       (Washington, DC)
                         Dasez-Tempo           (New York City)
                         Scott Forbush         (Cleveland)
And the Pittsburgh Kru:
                         Deadly Buda        (Millenium Productions)  
                         dieselBoy          (Player's Club International)
                         Finger             (The Food Group) 
                         1.8.7              (LIVE PA ONCE AGAIN!)
                         Jedi Mindtrip      (Back Up from Baltimore)
                         Terry Kicks        (The Discoman you love)  
                         Dr. Seuss          (Back with the HAWDCOAH! in a Hat)
                         Vic Money          (Fun House Productions) 
                         +FX                (The Original Hardcore Rok-Bot) 
                         Side 2             (Back From Madison, WI) 
                         X-ON               (F.U.E.L Productions)
                         Soji-Fu            (The Original Bad Boy.)
                         Loonatik           (WRCT-FM, Intelligent Tekno!)
                         Bob Brown
                         Alan B
                         Nseri               
                           and more!
BANDS:
                         Kelly Affair
                         Mace
                         Hell Belly
                         Ton*a*Bricks
                         Holden Caufield
                         Madjackets
                         Blindsight
                         The African Drum Ensemble *live tribal drumming!*

What do you get when you combine Tribal, Trance, Progressive-Rock, Techno, 
Breakbeat, Funk, House, Hip Hop, Psychobilly, Hardcore, Trip Hop, Acieeeed,
Industrial, SKA, African, & Electro?

The Morph Beat!

FEATURING:

<For your eyes!>          

* The largest lighting/video setup in Pittsburgh ever: 
- 2 Liquid Cooled Argon Lasers by PAWN
- Multiple Video Projections by PAWN 
- 12 Intellabeams and other Intelligent Lighting by EYEGASM
* The Circus Apocalypse Sideshow
* Sculptures and Installations by some of Pittsburgh's Finest Artists
<For your ears!>

* The TURBO Sound System will be the largest system ever assembled in 
Pittsburgh thus far. (stay tuned for total wattage) 
* Multiple Sound stages

<For your amusement!>

* Zamecnik Animations
* Snake Dancing
* Alpine Slide
* Facepainting

<For your comfort>

* Nearby Camping
* Food
* Friendly Vendors

<For your convienence>

* Mayflower Shuttle Buses will run from the Beehive in Oakland (3807 Forbes
 Ave) to Seven Springs every hour and a half Saturday and return Sunday
 Morning. Bus tickets are $8.00 and are available at all Pittsburgh ticket
 locations.

* Out of Town bus trips - call the Millennium Infoline for details in your
Area. 

In addition, The Food Group will also be doing an Afterparty at 
Cloud 9 in the Strip District. 
Call 412.281.8277 (Cloud 9)
or   412.734.8458 (Food Group Infoline)
(Those Organisms 21 Earth years or older with proper ID may be served until
2am Sunday)

                 FLYER BY Under Design 215.233.9777)

For Morph 1 UPDATES call the Millennium Infoline @ 412.734.5549

TICKETS: $15 in Advance
         $20 Day Of...
Available in:
Pittsburgh - Oakland                           Cleveland 
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------                                 
Collectors 12"             (412)682-4033       Deep Records     (216)382-3101
Teleropa                        621-2144       Datatrax Records      255-7767
AZIS                            683-8593       

Pittsburgh - Southside                         Philadelphia      
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------
Slacker                         381-3911       611 Records      (215)413-9100
Revolutions                     488-6227        
Glenn's Toy Box                 381-2116

Pittsburgh - Seven Springs                     Harrisburg
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------
Pittsburgh Pro Bike Shop   (814)352-7777       Checkered Past    (717)561-8898
                                ext.7705

Columbus                                       Baltimore
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------  
World                      (614)297-7900       Modern Music      (410)523-1882


Albany                                         Toronto
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------
Music Shack                (518)436-4581       X-Static          (416)362-5502


New York City
----------------------------------------        
Groove Records             (718)714-5232


For additional ticket outlets or to help out or need flyers leave your name
and number on the Millenium line and someone will get back to you.      

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10 SEPTEMBER                  CHICAGO             PERCEPTION

P E R C E P T I O N

saturday september 10th, chicago usa

detroit selectors:  KENNY LARKIN - warp records u.k, +8 records
                    ERIK BONE - utensil records

chicago selectors:  ROBERT ARMANI - d-jax holland, dancemania chicago
                    MYSTIC BILL - physics, kind family, h.p. society
                    DJ TRAXX - underground construction
                    DAVEY DAVE - h.p. society

second room of ambient and club:  ATMOSPHERIC AUDIO CHAIR

pre-invitation / 24-hour info:  312.604.1978
stay tuned...

physics / vibe alive / djax records / h.p.s. international

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10 SEPTEMBER                  DAYTON              VOODOO

                           V O O D O O
                          Sept. 10, 1994
                           Dayton, Ohio

         Live performance by Nova Mute, +8 Recording Artist
                      V A P O U R  S P A C E

                        From New York City
                      J O E Y  B E L T R A M

   From Detroit, courtesy of +8, Definitive and Stickman Records,
                     J O H N  A Q U A V I V A

                    From SanFrancisco / Chicago
                       M A R K  F A R I N A

                             Plus DJ's
                     JIMI            ANDROMEDA
                     FULLBRAIN        TITONTON
                     the ELE MENTAL COLLECTIVE

                         513 - 496 - 1071
                         
                         illuminatorIV

email!
kourosh (stu1008@discover.wright.edu)
jim (ad425@dayton.wright.edu)

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17 SEPTEMBER                  CHICAGO             BOOM

saturday 17 sept. 1994

jungle ting
proudly presents
the original

B O O M

from suburban base records, uk
sonz of a loop da loop era

DANNY BREAKS - "droppin' science"
DJ AK1200 - "wide"

stateside selectors:           SNUGGLES
                               RP SMACK

holdin' it down on the m-i-c:  BLACKEYE
                               JJ JELLYBEAN

keeping it groovin':           TERRY MULLAN
                               MILES MAEDA

hold tight for the flyer with the complete info.  rollin'...

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On Wed, 10 Aug 1994 JS784592%PUCAL@uicvm.uic.edu wrote:

> what the fuck is up with hyperreal?
> its like totally down.
> that things sucks
> its been nothign but a big lag and a huge inconvienence

Brian B. has provided, out of his own pocket, a site for
many things (vrave, the rave archives, etc.) when
Stanford decided to take techno.stanford.edu back.

As anyone who's ever set up a new host to provide services like FTP, web
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[finally got my hands on a real flyer]

saturday august thirteenth ninteen ninety four
midnight

richie hawtin
terry mullen
jetstream

the acid guru (m. hawtin)

first ever live performance

P L A S T I K M A N

packard building
1580 east grand blvd at concord
detroit, michigan
usa

i-94 to mt. elliot
south on mt. elliot
left on east grand blvd.
left on concord

info lines ... 313 730 4037 ... 313 825 0300 (#775 0878) ... 519 978 2291

thanks to everyone who came to mayday 2 and richie's crazy birthday
those who know .... know what not to do ....



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> 
> info lines ... 313 730 4037 ... 313 825 0300 (#775 0878) ... 519 978 2291

That should be 313 730 4097



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Just to make sure you read this and do it I sent it to YOU directly so sorry
if you get it twice.....please read what's below......   :-)

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Change of Address!!!!
Date:    94-08-10 20:45:45 EDT
From:    SIR69
To:      pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com

MY NAME IS CHUCKIE, MY CURRENT E-MAIL ADDRESS IS:
SIR69@AOL.COM

AS OF *THIS* SATURDAY (AUG. 13, 1994), start I will be changing over to my
college account (a "real" internet account) and discontinuing my America
Online account (a "weak" internet accout).

MY NEW ADDRESS WILL BE (STARTING ANYTIME):
                      ctakacs@andy.bgsu.edu

Anyone that needs to get a hold of me via e-mail should change over to this
account a.s.a.p.  I will be off both pb-cle-raves and mw-raves lists for
about a week or two until things get straightened out at school.  

Thanks for your time.

CHUCKIE!



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JS784592%PUCAL@UICVM.UIC.EDU Once Upon a Time Said ::
> 
> what the fuck is up with hyperreal?
> its like totally down.
> that things sucks
> its been nothign but a big lag and a huge inconvienence

Brian Behlendorf shelled out $4k+ to purchase a Pentium 90 with 2 gigs of
space.  He installed BSDI i386 on it (that's Unix, folks) and is saving
approximately $700/month by getting his internet connection through Wired
magazine, his place of employment.  That's some MAJOR dough.

Wired magazine has extensive online services.  They use The Little Garden 
(tlg.net) as their ip service provider.  One must realize that since the 
net connection is free, and on an already stressed line, we should be
lucky to be connected as the machien already is.  Some recent developments 
have occurred:

1) service from tlg.net blows.  Rumor has it Wired is looking for another
   provider who is a bit more stable and reliable in it's service.

2) hyperreal.com staff are not paid.  we work for free.

3) lately, hyperreal.com has been crashing for unknown reasons.  This 
   happened today.  When the whole machine goes down, that means that Brian
   must physically flip the switch, which may mean a 30 minute commute into
   the office.  We are looking into why it's crashing, as we don't like it
   nearly as much as you do. 

4) tlg.net also has problems from time to time, too.  Earlier this evening
   their links were flat out down.  Right now it's extreme lag.  But up.

If you ever try and connect, and you get a response back of 'UNKNOWN HOST',
try it's ip number, which is 140.174.72.240.

I think Brian deserves a helluva lot more credit than he gets for doing what
he does.  I'm doing my best for the mw-raves archives there.  If anybody has
ideas, lemme know.  Thanks to Craig for all those groovy fliers he scanned
in.

oh!  hyperreal.com may not be available for large portions of time this
coming weekend.  Turns out that Wired is physically moving their offices
to a new location (one with more physical room to support their booming
staff), so their may be periods of time where you just can't connect, and 
other times when you can with little problem.

I'll let Dave Walker comment on office moves if he cares to.  :)


Andrew
-- 

(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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Anyone got any plans to head up to Acidic this weekend?  Just wonderin'!

RISK

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Maybeone of youwho is a DJ can help me with this - there is a record, I 
think it is called lemon 8 - does it exist?
Also, is there something new (I think maybe on strictly rhythm) that has 
lots of l's (that's the letter L) in it's name?

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|_|          ...what ever happened to PONG?!


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Can someone please give me the address to talk to a person at vrave? 
forgot my PW...

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| |     O          |_|                   *defender of cosmic freeform*
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|_|          ...what ever happened to PONG?!


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==============================================================================
     ___   ___
    /  /__/  /      Holly C. MacDonald - Korth    cybrgrrl@phantom.com 
   /  ___   /       hcmk@garnet.msen.com          hcmk@umich.edu
  /__/  /__/CMK     "I think I'm starting to peak now Al..." -- Beastie Boys
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On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Rick Fird wrote:

> Hi, I have this problem..
> 
> Every time "I'm every woman" by Whitney Houston comes on at work I start 
> dancing! Is this wrong that I like this song? :) Just wondering.
> 
> 
> 				-Rick "I'm every woman" Fird
	i know i'm a little late here...but i have been sick...sympathy anyone?
But i have a mix tape of uk house from last summer that has a really 
groovy remix of the song...i can't remember who did it off the top of my 
head, but if you are interested, i can find out/mail you a copy of the 
song...
*kiss*
peaceout and pcp,
holly

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hey everyone!!

after a long summer of being a computer geek in the big apple it is time to
come home.  i am coming with new friends, new ideas, new knowledge, and a
whole new attitude gosh dang it.  i will be back in milwaukee in about a week
so i thought it was time to get back on the list so i have a clue of whats
going on.  we need to have a big huge net raver meeting at karsten so i can
see all of you that i haven't seen in 2 months!!  i miss you guys.   i can't
wait to see you all!!!  is there a interstellar caravan passing through
milwaukee?!?!?  please let me know whats up!!  thanks!!

c
u
soon

ellen/smileE


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just thought i would do a plug for my big bro, mission control.  i know this
isn't exactly rave related but many of you will be interested in hotwired.
 you should check it out.  i took this right out of wired issue 2.09, sept,
1994.

**************Hot Wired***************************

this september, wired magazine launches hotwired direct to the net.  we
invite you to join us in helping to shape this new medium.  

like television wasn't radio with pictures, the net isn't magazines with
buttons-or worse, video-on-demand.   Instead, this is a new medium demanding
new thinking, new content.

we are looking for the best and brightest digital artists, correspondents,
musicians, dreamers, and realists for hotwired.

we have only one instuction for potential contributors: amaze us!

if you are doing amazing work, send us a brief synopsis:

*moving images-video or animation (QuickTime or MPEG)
email: movies@hotwired.com

*still images-photographs, comics, original electronic art (GIF or JPEG)
email: stills@hotwired.com

*music and sounds- samples, loops, songs, full orchestral works (AU or AIFF)
email: sounds@hotwired.com

*writing- fiction, poetry, essays (ASCII, RTF, MS Word, or HTML)
email: text@hotwired.com

Note: please DON'T send your files!! we'll be in touch if we like your idea.
 we'll pay for the best, and return soothing rejection letters to the rest.

remember, today is like 1948, and they've just introduced a new medium.  help
define the future of that medium before it ends up like television.

submit to HotWired today!

*************************************************

also, there is a hotwired weekly mailing list that lets you know whats going
on at wired.  to subscribe send mail to 

info-rama@wired.com

with message body that sez:

 subscribe hotwired

  its so easy!  do it!!

til l8r-

ellen


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bite me

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On Aug 9, 17:59, Jennifer Lynn Hill wrote:
> Subject: Re: lobotomies help
> 
> 
> On Tue, 9 Aug 1994 QUINLANM@vmsa.csd.mu.edu wrote:
> 
> > re: Rick Fird and his dance fever > > You are twisted and sick! 
> Actually, I will also shamefacedly admit to not > minding that song so
> much.  But then again I believe it is a remake of a disco > song (please
> correct me if I am wrong, disco buffs) and there is a law that one > must
> dance to disco without fail.  Okay, maybe just for me.  I like to dance, >
> and disco is, IMHO, utterly groovy... > > M de Q > Being the resident
> disco buff (correct me if I'm wrong, but I spin disco =) =) =) ) I don't
> believe that it is a remake of a disco song =), it is kind of disco'ish,
> and perhaps since I have shamelessly admitted to having danced to it,
> perhaps i could put it in a disco set next time I spin =) =) Disco is
> utterly groovy!!!! jen (lollipop-demongirl)
> 
>-- End of excerpt from Jennifer Lynn Hill


Acshully, I'm pretty sure it's a Chaka Khan song.  I remember reading
an interview with her in Vibe and she said she hated the Whitney mix.
I could have misinferred something, though......

peaceout
	nate (who's real glad he never listens to tha fukn radio :D )

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Well, first I change my address, now it's jayvee@interaccess.com.
Second, anyone going to Ballistix and Acidic Opera this weekend?
Im looking for some partners in crime to go to those parties, anyone 
interested? 

 Jay Gril


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Anybody know 
           Anything about
                         a friday nite
                                     thing in Indy
                                                  called "the vitAmin lounge"



                                      ?



                                    kylE
                                *spacEboy*
                                   *Linus*
                                      interstellar baby!

                                 -peace and hugs-

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In a technologically-induced stupor, Fireman 451 flatly stated...
::
::Acshully, I'm pretty sure it's a Chaka Khan song.  I remember reading
::an interview with her in Vibe and she said she hated the Whitney mix.
::I could have misinferred something, though......

Chakka did the original back in the 70's and someone who is related to
Whitney sang back-up on it or some such.  


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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	I was just a wonderin' if anyone        
	will be passin' through Louisville, Ky 
	on their way to Spastik?
	If so, could you please tie me to the roof 
	of your car so I can go too? I mean, I'll
	help pay for gas and all that jazz.
	If not, I'm gonna have to sit home and watch
	COPS and eat tv dinners and be bland.
	Thank you,
	kiwi/Zarathustra

-- 
[Boycott .sigs]

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---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    HotWired Job Announcement
Date:    94-08-11 19:19:14 EDT
From:    jonathan@wired.com
To:      Smellen

As many of you probably know, I am currently working at Wired, where we are
building HotWired, a new online publication based on the World-Wide Web.
HotWired will be launching our new service at the end of September. Before
that time, we have a few key positions on our roster that need to be
filled...

If you or anyone you know might be interested in one of these positions,
please let us know ASAP!

Thanks for your attention.

Cheers-

-jonathan-


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=redistribute solicitation below as necessary=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

HotWired Section Editors
************************
Are you having trouble expressing yourself? Do you find current modes of
communication too limiting for the thoughts in your head? Do you dream of
leaving your boring, too comfortable job and joining a media revolution
that will forever change the way we talk to and about each other? We're
looking for a couple of section editors who want a chance to define the
future. We need people who can work with us on  all aspects of the
editorial process: assigning, editing, and occasionally writing in an
environment that mixes daily, weekly and monthly deadlines. Because
HotWired is a Web-based publication, WWW experience/knowledge is strongly
preferred, and a basic understanding of net-traversing tools (email,
gopher, telnet, ftp) is required. Previous media experience (or a very
convincing equivalent), and familiarity with Macintosh systems is also
required. A thorough understanding of narrative would definitely get you
noticed (this applies to both positions).

Editor Alpha
++++++++++++
Job A includes primary responsibility for editing weekly reports and
coordinating events produced by HotWired's permanent correspondents in
select world-wide locations. Additional responsibilities include the
planning and coordination of travel reports, editing of submissions, and
writing for HotWired's travel area. The job demands an editor with a strong
interest in the global effects of the communications and technology
revolutions, and a sense of how to combine a wide range of elements into
one groovy jam session.

Editor Beta
+++++++++++
Job B includes responsibility for editing and assembling HotWired's art
areas. This section requires an editor with a strong eye for visuals and
words, and she or he should be able to work with digital artists creating
in a range of media: stills, videos, sounds, and text. The editor will work
closely with the design director and the executive editor to select content
from these media. A background in layout or design is preferred, and
video/movie experience is a major plus. We won't overlook experience with
appropriate software, including Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Premiere, but
it's not necessary.


Production Editor
*****************
The Production Editor will work closely with the managing editor and the
pro- duction director to prepare editorial, graphic, sound and video
material for
publishing online. What's required here is a keen eye, attention to detail
and ability to organize, keep track of, and process a constant influx of
material. Familiarity with the tools of the trade (Adobe Photoshop, Adobe
Premiere, Mosaic) is strongly preferred. Knowledge of HTML and an
understanding of digital transfer protocols would also be helpful.


Copy Editors
************
We need copy editors for contract work. Familiarity with
techology/computer culture is preferred. Knowledge of HTML is a plus, but is
not necessary. Ability to edit online is helpful.


Editorial Intern
****************
We want an editorial intern with, obviously, experience as a writer and/or
editor. Knowledge of the World-Wide Web and Mosaic is essential; experience
in page creation using HTML is preferred but not required.

Design Intern
*************
We're looking for a design intern with an education in design and a working
knowledge of Photoshop, Illustrator and Quark XPress. Knowledge of HTML
would be helpful, but is not necessary.

Production Intern
*****************
We need a production intern experienced in HTML production. The intern
should also have strong skills in image, movie, and sound manipulation,
particularly with Macintosh and/or SGI tools.

Engineering Intern
******************
We want an engineering intern with extensive World-Wide Web experience, and
ability to code in C and/or Perl. She or he should know Unix at an
administrative
level (both BSD and IRIX flavors). Icing on the cake would include
experience in X/Motif programming, SGI Indy/Indigo operation; and
management of a Web site that we can evaluate.


Interns receive $100 / week for a three month internship.


The hours for all the jobs are probably longer, and the pay is probably
less than your current job, but you get to live in San Francisco and work
with some of the best writers, editors and artists in the business.
And don't forget the part about making history.

To apply for a position, send an ASCII or HTML resume (*NO* PostScript,
faxes, snail mail, or messages-in-a-bottle, please) to:

   hotjobs@hotwired.com

Be sure to include the job title (i.e. "Design Intern") in the subject line!

Thanks...

The HotWired Team
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hey all...
i am going to be in Elyria, Cleveland this weekend and i would love to
go to Rebirth.  If anyone would like to give me a ride i Ii would
really appreciate it!  :)
i am from cincinnati so i don't know anything, really, about
cleveland, but i know someone out there who is going would love to
take me with them.
i am really small so i can fit anywhere.  :)
if you wanna be really nice, you can call me at 216-365-6074.
thank you!
-b
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hi y'all sorry for not mentioning this sooner.

tonight: 

friday august 12
NOiZe-A-PAlooZa

natural science auditorium
u of michigan campus
ann arbor michigan

8pm -> ?

admission $5

what is it?  a collection of audio and video artists
performing intense multimedia stuff. there are five
bands, including anonymou$ turtle and headliners
RohM tEcHnoloGies Inc. who are without question one
of the finest ambient musical entities in this
sector of our galaxy.  seriously.  videos that
are better than hallucinations projected onto
huge walls with quadrophonic sound scultpures
drifting in space.

check it out if you've got some spare time tonight.
i'll be there with a big green hat on, overalls
and maybe a black+red long-sleeved shirt that says
"666" on it depending on how cold it is.

peace,
andy

ps
if ya need directions to the nat.sci building call
me at work 313-936-1355 before 7 or 8.. 

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     The Vitamin Lounge, will be every Friday in Indianapolis.  
	The opening night is August 19th - One week from today.
	This will be a "Class A" production:  Groovy Space with
	 wood floors and lots of space to dance.
	-Surround Sound System by Sound O'mighty
	-Intelligent lights by Technocolor (Now ILS)
	-D.J.'s Jonatan Keith and David Hollands (me) + guests
		Local and out-of-town.
	-IMSMARTRU with the pharmacueticals-
	-The place has a full bar in another room if you happen 
		to be 21+ and so inclined.  :)
	
		Questions and Directions?  call  317.899.8100

     The ringing in your ears comes from the many, many muscles
	in your ear tightening up.  I guess if you sprained your
	back, and you could hear it, that's what it'd sound like.
	It takes awhile to relax the muscles.  Hopefully, they'll
	relax all the way.  If they don't, well, sorry.
              I always carry some earplugs with me, just ask.

UPDATE:
     Due to lack of fundage, I won't be in Detroit this weekend for Spastik.
	The "good" news is, If anybody around INDY is in the same situation,
	I'll be D.J.'ing NOCTURNA Saturday night.  Anybody who went last
	week knows we had the biggest crowd ever.  Thanks to the Cincinnati
	Crew for Spinning the sooper sets - Rich, Mindflux, Jason, and co.
	720. N. COLLEGE in DownTown INDY is the address.
		Directions are @ 317  895-4546.
	We usually have two rooms, one with sofas and chillout, the other
	has tons of house music.
        I think it's only $3 before 11p or $5 after - 
	
		peace to everyone AND

	SEE YOU at Outerstellar Inback!


                                                 A C I D    
                                                 C O D E
                                                 I D E A
Yours In The Groove,                             D E A D 
Mind of the Perpetual Vibe,
   - David Hollands -         -Ball State University - Muncie, IN - 317.288.6277
                            Muncie/Indiana 24 Hr. Event Info Line - 317.899.8100
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-


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Hello my name is Chuckie....

I am going to Rebirth, for sure!!!  I am about 5'4" and about 160 lbs, and
have brown hair.  Say hi if you see me!......I live in Parma, Ohio which is
about one-half south of Rebirth (which is in downtown Cleveland).  So far I
am taking 1 or 2 others for sure.  I have room for 1 or 2 others in my car.
 IF ANYONE NEEDS A RIDE  WHO LIVES IN THE CLEVELAND-AREA AND IT IS FAIRLY
NEAR-BY, LET ME KNOW A.S.A.P.  

I might be able to supply some sleep space for tired ravers going to Rebirth
Saturday night/ Sunday morning, so you don't have to drive back and take a
chance of falling asleep at the wheel.  I don't know for sure yet but give me
call if you think you might need it. 

I hope to meet some of you by the smart bar at 1:30 (or by wherever they are
selling drinks).  It would be really groovy to meet more of you.  

If anyone has any questions about how to get there or need help getting there
please don't hesitate to call me.  I'll be home after 6:00pm on Saturday for
sure.  

Hope I can help.

Chuckie!
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hey! I'm going to Spastik....are you? If so, we all need a netraver
meeting place (imo).  Like 1:00 at the smart bar or something like that.

mail back to the list so everyone can see.......:)


ryan.
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 (Reuter)
 VATICAN CITY - The Vatican said on Monday that Italy's
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   "Selfishness has prevailed ... the joy of giving
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   "Self-worship can't find room for a new creature,
 arriving home with the promise of a future and
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hey everyone.

a couple of friends of mine and i are heading up to detroit for spastik
this weekend.  i know this is kinda short notice and all, but i was wondering
if there was any crash space available after the party???
we'll be leaving here (lafayette, IN) at around 5:30 and get up to detroit
just in time to hop in line to get into the party.  i'll read my email
before i leave; if nothing turns up by then, oh well  :)

cya,
e

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There's a TON of phat parties across the midwest this weekend.

Chicago
Detroit
Cleveland
Indy
Memphis
........

But, if you're poor (like me)
and in St. Louis (like me)

then you don't have anywhere to go....

or do you?

........

Saturday, August 13

8007 Titus -- North of U. City
Free!!!

starts at 11pm til ???

basically I'm throwing a party in my house, I'll have my lighting 
equipment (including fog) and my PA setup...

Open turntables, so if you spin records, bring 'em.

No huge DJs have confirmed (since I'm not paying 'em...since it's free)

but...

Astroboy, Matt Brendel, and DJ Disaster might come.

and I'll spin ;-)

hope to see you there...email me for more info..

oh yeah, directions:

hwy 40 to 170 north....right on page....left on hanley...left on titus 
(first turn after stoplight at Alert Rd)

see ya'll there!

pixel



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I made an error at the bottom of the following (below) e-mail I just sent.  I
am sorry!!!  Once again, PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS BY SENDING IT TO MY
AOL.COM ADDRESS, SINCE I AM CANCELLING THIS ACCOUNT to move to my college
account.

BUT....DO REPLY VIA E-MAIL TO THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS....
NOT THE ONE I ORIGINALLY GAVE YOU.  USE THIS:
                           ctakacs@andy.bgsu.edu

Thanks,

Chuckie!

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Subj:    Rebirth Help!!!
Date:    94-08-12 21:36:29 EDT
From:    SIR69
To:      pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com
CC:      mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu

Hello my name is Chuckie....

I am going to Rebirth, for sure!!!  I am about 5'4" and about 160 lbs, and
have brown hair.  Say hi if you see me!......I live in Parma, Ohio which is
about one-half south of Rebirth (which is in downtown Cleveland).  So far I
am taking 1 or 2 others for sure.  I have room for 1 or 2 others in my car.
 IF ANYONE NEEDS A RIDE  WHO LIVES IN THE CLEVELAND-AREA AND IT IS FAIRLY
NEAR-BY, LET ME KNOW A.S.A.P.  

I might be able to supply some sleep space for tired ravers going to Rebirth
Saturday night/ Sunday morning, so you don't have to drive back and take a
chance of falling asleep at the wheel.  I don't know for sure yet but give me
call if you think you might need it. 

I hope to meet some of you by the smart bar at 1:30 (or by wherever they are
selling drinks).  It would be really groovy to meet more of you.  

If anyone has any questions about how to get there or need help getting there
please don't hesitate to call me.  I'll be home after 6:00pm on Saturday for
sure.  

Hope I can help.

Chuckie!
-----------------
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DO NOT SEND IT TO THIS ADDRESS PLEASE!!!
***MY PHONE NUMBER IS:  216-842-8342



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The massive posse presents....

Wicked Wicked Number Four

Friday August 19th

Milwaukee Area

with the talents of....

TERRY MULLAN  ACID BOY TODD P    ANDI     AL G      EFEX        SYNERGY
  chicago       milwaukee      madison   racine    chicago     sheboygan
  HOUSE!       HARD TRANCE!   ACID JAZZ!  FUNK!   AL PACINO   HARD TO GET
                                                   FANATIC     A HOLD OF!
***************************************************************************
Depending on Milwaukee weather, this party will be outside. ( This also
depends greatly on the willingness of the nearby neighbors)

Admission is only five bucks with a can of food, six without.

Stay tuned.... 414.777.EXTC

Thank you to all who attended EARTH.  Unfortunatly, someone has stolen all
of the canned goods collected for the needy.  It was stored at the mappoint
(THE GLOBE) and we believe someone who was working on the upstairs'
renovations has taken it. (No small feet, since there was about 20 BOXES of
canned goods) Hopefully they were just moved to make room or something, we
can't wait to give it all to some good cause.

Matt Mot Massive


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as a non-rational, last minute decision, myself, dan(modE), dan(acidophile)
are on our way to detroit for Spastik ! see ya there...

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wow. something to do on a weekend besides Trilogy. . . 

ZOINKS!?	CLEVELAND (OR THERABOUTS) OHIO		8.20.94

Aug 20, 1994
featuring
battle of the bills:

Mr. Bill	drop bass network	Milwaukee
Mr. Bill	Record Time		Detroit

and 

DJ Sun		ultraworld		Baltimore
Deadly Buddha	Millenium		Pittsburgh 	

plus

Utopia Hazard 				Akron
Xon 					Pittsburgh
tatas (sp?)				Columbus
Bad Round (sp?)				Akron
Dreamer 				Cleveland

$6 in advance $8 at the door (they aren't saying how to buy tix in advance,
tho)

Location announced Monday. Call 216.971.9010 for more information.

--
The Chronicle. Elyria, Ohio, USA		John Kohlstrand, staff writer
macroncl@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	    aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	
    ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.''  --Derrick May
I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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A couple days ago someone mentioned the SL1200 FAQ. They said it was at 
hyperreal but I looked all over there and couldn't find it!  Could 
someone please tell me the directory or another FTP site? Thanks alot

-Anthony Cosco


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Please read below....my mail server crashed so I  had to resend it.


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Forwarded message:
Subj:    A Short Farewell
Date:    94-08-14 15:03:44 EDT
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HeY EveRyONe!!!

Well I went to Rebirth last night/this morning and had a really groovy time.
 I thought the entire party was very well organized and well run.  The place,
Grays Armory, was also a groovy place to have a rave.  It was a perfect size
for the size crowd that turned out.  I am not good at estimating crowd sizes
so I'll just say a lot of people (maybe around a few hundred?).  The dj's I
think all spun really good shows and the crowd was really groovy.  Let's just
say, I was very impressed, especially since Cleveland hasn't had a rave of
this size in a long while.  

I met a handfull of net-ravers last night from both mw-raves and pb-cle-raves
and lets just say it was nice to meet you all.  I enjoy meeting people I've
seen on the raves lists so many times.  Now I can actually put a face to your
e-mail.  So I'd just like to say HI again to everyone I met.

BUT....now I must leave both rave lists for about one week because my
subscription on America Online runs out today.  I am not going to renew it
for another month since I am returning to school a week from yesterday, esp.
since my internet account at BGSU is alot better.  SO FAREWELL FOR ABOUT A
WEEK.  

IF ANYONE WANTS TO STAY IN CONTACT WITH ME MY ADDRESS IS *NOW* THE FOLLOWING:
 ctakacs@andy.bgsu.edu

I WILL BE CHECKING THAT ADDRESS PERIODICALLY THIS WEEK BEFORE I RETURN.  SO
IF YOU E-MAIL ME I WILL REPLY A.S.A.P.  

C'ya in a week!!!

Chuckie!



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Hello folks...
If anyone cares...
I'm cancelling my account with AOL and will be transferring to my school
account.  So...if you send me anything to triptafunk@aol.com...I ain't gonna
get it.
PEace.
Brad-Synergy-Quadrasonic Massive


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Some short comments about Acidic Opera:
. The place was great, the lights and the cabin were put in a perfect
form. Really cool lasers also. .
. There were two rooms, the main room (huge), were the music was not less
than 180 bpm (my bones and muscles all hurts :)). Great DJs. In the other
room the music was really cool also, I was there when my ears couldnt
stand the main room :).
. I leaved when Robert Armani finish spun (about 7 am), but at that time
there were at least 100 people still dancing in both rooms.
. In synthesis: Great party, great people, great music.
 
Hey, how about Spastik, was it good?
 
 Jay


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Wow!
i must say that i was impressed with my first cleveland rave.
the space was nice, an old castle.  very nice.  the only downside was
that once you were in, you were in for the night.  :(
i can't remember much about all of the dj's.  josh wink's set was
awesome.  he spun from 4:30 to 6.  a nice way to end the party, i
think.  :)
dj's bagga donuts and sun both spun really nice sets, and of course
dieselboy was great with the breaks.  ! :) !
i won't estimate how many people were in attendance, but it was a nice
size crowd.
net ravers in attendance were, and sorry if i forgot anyone:
piglet*, bit, mike b., fluffhead and savonna, tony ramos, chuckie,
kingsize, shaft, justin, china, and andy tannehill.
i know there were more people but i am in a rush.
the night was fun.  thanks to everyone who had fun with me.
see you all at Interstellar Outback!  :)
-becca

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Becca Maslow
amaslow@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
little elf :)

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Wow.  Good weekend for mw-raves.  Looks like a lot of good, solid parties
this weekend.

Spastik was very nice.  Large space.  Black plastick was put on the walls
and hung from the ceiling, which gave a very sureal type of effect.  The
chill room was filled with white sponge, which made for comfortable chilling.

Matt Hawtin (aka, The Acid Guru) appeared to be the ambient chef for the
event, digging up some fine ambient music, and mixing it really well.  I
even oggled his Panasonic DJ cd player.  oo!

Terry Mullan's set in the main room was ossum.  He spun for about 3-4 hours
I think.  Went from house, to early Detroit electro, and ended with some
slightly acid stuff.  Very nice.  He had two sets, spinning before Plastikman
and after the dj who followed Plastikman.

Richie's performance of Plastikman was pretty good as well.  Although he
wasn't hitting too many keys, the different versions of the songs on Sheet
One was great.  And the accompaning video was pretty good too, featuring
the squiggle guy dancing around and stuff.  Some guy next to me yelled
during the performance  "Do you know that it takes 2 giga-watts to power
that computer to do that stuff?"  uh-huh.... right.

Richie took the tables after Terry's second set.  Wow.  At 7am he still had
the crowd pumping and jumping around.  Amazing.  Rob Smith drove us to his
loft to crash about 8am.  I guess the party ended at noon some time...

Crowd was huge.  Probably 1000+.  The part that sucked was that it was $20,
but after you saw what they did for a setup, it probably was worth it.
BUT I caught word that the charge was $15 about half an hour before we got
there, and upon realizing how many were coming, up'd the fee.  Bleah.

Someone sprayed pepper gas at around 5:30am.  MAJOR UNCOOL.  Everyone went
outside for a while and the stuff cleared.  But still.  argh.

It was kind of hot most of the night.  But if one was lucky, there were cool
pockets of air to find in various places around the venue.

BIG thanks to Rob Smith for crash space and getting us back to his loft!!

Thumbs down to losing one of two caliper bolts to one's front left brake on 
I-75 in Detroit.  blah.

Net.ravers I saw included: Dave Walker, Rob Smith, Jennifer Bowman, Jamie
Hodge, JJ, Matt Macqueen, Nicolas Bamberski, Nate Goldbaum, Dan (modeE) and
Joe from Milwaukee, and probably a few others I'm forgetting.  Oh, some of
the Nashville crew was there too.  Ari/Kourosh/Valiera from Dayton also
were spotted.

Overall, a good time, kinda pricey, and with minor car troubles.  But I will
state that raving in Detroit is so much FUN...




Andrew
-- 

(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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Subject: rebirth review

Overall this party rocked!  I pulled up to the space around 11:15, and had
about 15 minutes to get my records picked and begin my set.  I spun from 11:30
to 12:30, and had the challenge to get all the lazy asses on the dance floor.
At this point things looked a bit shaky, with many people just sitting around
and what not.  I dropped a decent set of hard house and a bit of acid trance,
building a small vibe which continued to grow the rest of the evening.

Steve (sleepy c) went on next from 12:30 to 1:30.  He was followed by Diesel
Boy until 2:30, and my memory of the lineup is fuzzy from there.. Suffice to
say there were hour long sets from Dan Curtin, Dave Trance, Wink, Bagga
Donuts, and dj Sun.

The Afterbirth party began promptly afterwards and was in a clean and
comfortable bar near the Armory that Rebirth was in.  Dan spun again, a nice
set of tracks style house.  Wink and Sun dropped a few, then Tots (who never
spun at the party as expected).  I went to a crash space but the afterparty
was still kicking when i left around 10.  The sound system in this bar/club
was awesome, crisp clear highs and deep low bass!!

Props out to the Cleveland crew who put this together, i am told there are
plans to keep the ball rolling (and the kids too!).

Attendance was somewhere around 650+.

Jim



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hey all!
Made my first trip to the record store to purchase vinal.
Thats right you heard it, i got acces to tables
(big, mad, phat props to my man Devin)
so what else could i do?
Start spinning of course!!!
unfortunately, when it comes to artists, titles, etc....
i completely clueless! (as opposed to the normal partially clueless)
So expect a question now or then.


Ok- I know this is a complete stab in the dark,
but i must have this record thats on MYSTIC BILL's welcome to the wharehouse
tape. Its on the first side, and its like the second song.
the vocals go-"cant take you leavin me,cant take you leavin me,",",",...."
over and over again.

i know this is silly, but please help if you can!
i must have this record!!!!
-peace and hugs-
kylE
*i went to the store today and got PECULATOR and I WANNA FUCK YOU IN THE ASS,
so i figure i'm off to a good start!" (heheeee)

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.....er......nevermind.


i wuz gonna put in my 3 cents on something that got posted,
but whats the point in stooping to that leval????

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PLASTIKMAN.......DETROIT.........RITCHIE HAWTIN.......SPASTIK......two words for ya that best describe
that party and detroit's scene FFUUCCCCCKKKIIIIIINNNNN IINNNCCRREEDDIIIBBLLLEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
holy shit ...  wow
props to fixer,jj and the lexington people,props to detroit,props to ritchie,and to everyone else that went
if you didnt go to this party you missed the best expierience of the year this party way surpassed further
my god words cannot describe this party
it was my first detroit party and i will say its definatley not the 
last thats for damn sure
i reccomend going to detroit for all of those that have never been there before
hat scene ROCKS
peace,love,unity through dance

p.s. hey fixer thank ritchie for a wonder full fuckin party
hope to see more of detroit in the future.
 

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Thanks for all your support...and I'm now proud to say I'M EVERY WOMAM!



					-Rick










			Chaka Khan!  :)


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Anyone listen to them? Any good?
Something to recomend?

Thanks in advance.

Jay


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jay--anything by Derrick Carter should rock your world.

"Say what you mean, and say it mean..." JG Thirwell



On Sun, 14 Aug 1994, Jay Gril wrote:

> Anyone listen to them? Any good?
> Something to recomend?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 

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Everyone I talked to seemed to be in agreement. Rebirth was the best party
Cleveland has ever had. And what a cool place for it -- the very first concert
of the now world class Cleveland Orchestra was held at Grays Armory.

Dan Curtin or Sista Spinsta estimated attendance at 700, with many, many 
ravahs coming from the east coast -- car loads from Virginia, DC, WVa, 
Pittsburgh and Bob Baxter from ne-raves who flew in from Long Island just
to check it out.

(We were at the Smart Bar at 1:30. At least I was, and that's how I got to
meet Cleveland's WVa guests.)

diesel's breaks were really cool. I think Baggadonuts from DC was my 
favorite -- hard sorta house with a bit of acid here in there. Wink and Sun
were also good. This was my first exposure to all of these DJs except for
dB.

I was torn between Rebirth and Spastik, but I'm definitely glad I stayed in
Cleveland this weekend.

Hello to: Joe, Tony and Sines, Jimi Doom, Chuck, Adam and Dan and the Wva crew,
Becca, Mike Bee and all the other people I met who I'm not greeting because
I don't think they are on the net. I know there were other net-ravers I didn't
get a chance to meet (piglet*, Matt) but maybe I'll get a chance another time.

I'll probably go to Zoinks!? next weekend. I suspected it wasn't in Cleveland
and Joe says it won't be -- it will be in Akron. I guess we'll find out today.

I haven't been out in a long time. It's good to be back.

--
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I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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Rob Smith summed it up best as I finally stumbled off to my car at 11AM
Sunday morning -- Spastik was the kind of party you could _try_ to tell
someone about, but your really had to be there to understand.

The space was big (but not overly huge) and well set up -- 40,000
square feet of black plastik were used on walls and ceilings to create 
separate spaces for dancing, chilling, and even the line to get into the 
event.  The only negative there was heat, but hey, what do you expect in
August?

Admission was a steep $15-$20 (depending on when you arrived) -- a new 
high for Detroit -- but as I told my roommate, after nearly 12 hours of
dancing I'm sure I got well more than my money's worth.

MW-ravers were in full effect -- Andrew seems to have remembered most
everyone (except Specimen, Astroboy & Josh Garrett :) ) so I won't repeat
here.  Many thanks to Rob for holding the preparty at his most excellent
loft. :)

It seems like about half the +8 roster was there as well -- hanging around
backstage (behind the DJ area, that is) were Mark Gage (Vapourspace),
Teste, Born Under A Rhyming Planet, and a whole gaggle of funny (and
nearly incomprehensible) English guys from Novamute -- and who was that
nut with the trumpet? :)

Miscellaneous comments:
-----------------------

- This was, apparently, the party for silver miniskirts and teddy bears.
- Big props for the free bottles of water @6AM.  They were *much* 
  appreciated.
- It takes a *very* small mind to use mace in a room with 500 (or more)
  people.  Enough said.
- How could that guy dance in three layers of spandex?
- If you ever get the opportunity, sit on a bass bin.
- "I can tell that you're a DJ because of the way you dance."
- I don't like leading caravans. :)
- I'm sure there were a few children conceived in the chill-out room.
- There were still about 75 people dancing at 11AM. Richie was
  deliriously happy.
- Best party I've been to this year (maybe ever), including Afterworld.

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On Sun, 14 Aug 1994, Jay Gril wrote:
>
> Anyone listen to them? Any good?
> Something to recomend?

And check out anything by Psycho Bitch.  She is out cold! Got a Lego tape
aa while ago that was kinda flat, but he's pretty much done it for me live.
Must have been a bad day when he made the tape. YMMV.

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SPASTIK 08.13.94 Detroit

"A beautiful bald man made me dance all googly-eyed in a big Hefty
bag."

Well, sorta'.  :-)

Basically, you paid either $15 or $20 (our car was charged $20 a
head, everyone else I talked to at the party -- including the other
people that came from Milwaukee -- was charged $15 :-( ) to dance
in a god-awful hot plastic bag.  Every wall and most of the
ceilings were covered in thick black plastic.  It set an
interesting and decidedly different mood.  Kinda' surreal.  A
promise of weird stuff to come...

There were two main music "areas".  One was the main dance floor,
where they didn't have speakers up against one wall (as I'm
accustomed to around Milwaukee/Chicago), but in clusters all over
the place.  It made for a different type of party, I think.
Because there were more speakers, each of the clusters didn't have
to be as loud.  This encouraged more social interaction, I believe.
And because no matter where you faced, there was a speaker group
somewhere ahead of you, everyone didn't have to face one
direction... which also encouraged more interaction between the
people at the party.

And they don't hump speakers there (that I saw).  So it was
imperative that I showed them (:-).  Several of the little Hawtin
wanna-be's with their shaved heads and funky clothes did this crazy
violent dance thing that's kinda' hard to describe.  If you see me
sometime, ask me; I'd be happy to demonstrate.  :-)  I was bugging
everyone in the car on the way back by doing it every chance I
could.

The second "area" was the ambient room, where there was a little
more light,speaker multiple speaker clusters (again), and a couple
inches offoam paddingon the floor... people were laying around,
talking, hugging,kissing, etc.  When I got in there Richie's
brother was spinninthat room, and the music was... incredible.
Beautiful, amazing, wonderful.  [makes little moaning sounds]  Who
was that guy with the trumpet?

A "concession" area housed the smart bar, water bar ($1 per little
bottle of water!), t-shirt stand and the one fan I saw all night.
Guh.

The party started at midnight, we arrived at 1:00.  There had been
some heavy rain earlier in the evening, and I-94 was flooded in
several sections near Detroit.  Traffic was jammed considerably.
Had to wait in line outside for a few minutes, and then were let in
and led through a long plastic-covered twisty corridor for about 10
minutes.  Then we got shafted for $20 and were let in.  Terry was
spinning at the time, and due to the heat and the state of my
intoxication at the time, I could only dance in 15-minute bursts.
Terry's set was very good, although his selection of songs was
kinda' weird (at least to me)... I liked his set at Tornado better,
thinking back to it -- IMO.  Richie came on next, and by god... I
had never seen him spin.  [shrugs]  I can't put it into words
adequately.  I'd definately drive another seven hours to see him
again -- no questions asked.  Even now, thinking back on the music
from Saturday, the hair is standing up on the back of my neck and
I'm covered in goosebumps.  Asking two of the girls that were with
me what they thought, "If I were on something, I'd be coming!".

Ahem.  :-)

Not one lick of hardcore, or even much trance.  Mostly house or
acid house.  Beeeeeautiful house.  Amaaaaaazine acid house.  [moans
some more]

A little over an hour into his set, some total ass-hair set off a
mace cannister in the main room.  Our group wasn't that close to it
(thankfully), but as mace is designed to do, it got pretty much
everywhere in that room and cleared it out.  People either moved
outside to cough and gag (and leave), or moved to other areas of
the warehouse to try to calm down.  Our group wound up in the
ambient room, and a little while later someone came around and gave
us free bottles of water.  That was nice, I thought.  What would
have been better would have been not to have charged us for water
at all... but that's just a personal rant.

We strolled out back onto the main floor a few hours later, where
it was _much_ cooler than earlier and only about half of the people
remained.  I noticed that they had opened a large garage-door type
opening on the far end of the building at this time (the sun was
up).  Why wasn't this opened immediately when the gas was
released?  Hawtin was still spinning, the music was still
in-fucking-credible, and we danced until about nine in the morning,
'cuz one of the people with us had to be in Chicago for work by
3:30.  There were still several hundered people there, dancing like
mad.  [moans even more]

The visuals were minimal.  Several intellibeams in different
locations, no lasers that I saw, one projection screen (with
high-quality graphics of the Spastik logo among other things... I
was impressed with the quality of the video).  It didn't subtract
from the party one bit.  The music was _fantastic_, and the vibe
was so thick you could taste it -- at several points he would just
let a song end and people would scream and _clap_.  It was amazing.
In fact, people were screaming most of the night.  :-)

Mace, being overcharged, the heat and paying for water were
minuses.  The music, the people ("You came all the way here from
_Milwaukee_?!  Wow!"), the vibe, the weirdness... all were _major_
pluses and easily (for me) outweighed the negatives.  Easily the
most incredible night I ever had.

Your mileage may vary.  Keep in mind tht I'm still pretty new to
all this, but everyone I talked to agreed that it was one _hell_ of
a party.  I'm still jazzed.  :-)

--
Craig L. Stodolenak
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Anthony Cosco wrote-
> A couple days ago someone mentioned the SL1200 FAQ. They said it was at 
> hyperreal but I looked all over there and couldn't find it!  Could 
> someone please tell me the directory or another FTP site? Thanks alot

ftp://hyperreal.com/music/djs/sl1200.faq

Mike

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could someone please send me the info line numbers in detroit?  my friends
sister lives in cleveland and wants to go to a rave.  she isn't on the net
and i live in milwaukee so i never pay attention to the cleveland numbers.  i
would really appreciate it.  thanks!!

ellen


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hey!  i am back from toronto and i was able to go rave as well while there.
went to x-static to find out what was going on (and spend too much $ on
music).  thanks to stevn kaye and everyone else who told me about toronto
and x-static!
anyway--here is my review of origin unknown put on by syrous in toronto.
first the coolest thing was that they had buses that took everyone to the
event.  we had to wait for the school buses at union station downtown and
when we got there were hundreds of ravers waiting.  great vibe even before
we got there.  the event was about a half hour away cuz they have to be out
of the city like in milw.
the event was indoor/outdoor at a ski hill called honey pot.
all i can say is excellent. great lights and sound system, bigger than i
have seen in the u.s.
first dj was dominik and was hardcore and i loved it.
after that it went mostly to jungalist and i dont like that as much, but it
was still pretty good.  djs that i remember--mystic influence, ruffneck, and
more that i cant remember.  they are also really into the mc thing and the
mcs didnt shut up too much and i think that took away from the music. the
one i remember fo sho was mc ez.  they had a pretty good house room as well
but it was inside and too hot.
you couldnt bring water or other beverages in.  they had a lot more drinks
for sale than i have seen in the midwest as well as candy and tapes and
stuff.  no one was really giving out candy, but i did and got some funny
looks.  no stickers either!  met some friendly canadians tho and danced my
ass off.  all substances were widely available; more so i think than in the mw.
it was a great time in toronto, especially cuz of the event and the fact
that i got to go to the hockey hall of fame and touch the stanley cup.
i would definitely go again.
so i am still in milwaukee until i get a job and have to move.
ciao--julEE
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Smellen@aol.com Once Upon a Time Said ::
> 
> could someone please send me the info line numbers in detroit?  my friends
> sister lives in cleveland and wants to go to a rave.  she isn't on the net
> and i live in milwaukee so i never pay attention to the cleveland numbers. 
> i would really appreciate it.  thanks!!


*begin plug mode*

gopher hyperreal.com
 1. Brian's Techno archive
 8. mw-raves
 7. cityguide
 7. detroit
           note - numbers subject to change


I got some flyers in Detroit too.  I'll post details later after I figure 
out which events haven't been listed yet.

Check out Record Time at 25110 Gratiot.  They have flyers usually by the 
door and in front of the turntables in the vinyl room.



Andrew
-- 

(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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OK, so, everyone else said it, but I am going to say it too - Spastik was 
the BEST. it just was amazing. I had toleave around 8am :( cause I had to 
work at 5pm :(:(:(  but wow, it was fun!

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In a technologically-induced stupor, Andrew Bennett flatly stated...
::
::Check out Record Time at 25110 Gratiot.  They have flyers usually by the 
::door and in front of the turntables in the vinyl room.

So, does the whole room spin around on a *BIG* turntable?  Weird.


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>And check out anything by Psycho Bitch.  She is out cold! Got a Lego tape
>aa while ago that was kinda flat, but he's pretty much done it for me live.
>Must have been a bad day when he made the tape. YMMV.

It's weird, I got one of Ralphies (Lego's) older tapes, and it sounds a lot
better than block two.  Weird.  Le does kick ass live though ... no doubts
about that.  Anyhow, I'd have to agree with what adamgold@interaccess.com
said about Derrick's tapes.  They are pretty fresh.  Not to mention
Hyperactive's sh*t, that's supposed to be pretty good too.

RISK

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Hey folks,

Looks like this week should be a GREAT one for parties!!(Too many????)
Naaaaa.. 8)
I'm planning on going to Massive's WWW #4 On Friday the 19th
AND Karsten (YES!!! HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) On the 20th... We should all
get togther some place, Being as I've probally seen all of you 90 times
over.. Would be nice to get the face with the name (Ya know!)
So mail me Or weasel(Steven Kaye) and let us know whats Up....
See ya SOON!!!!!!!!!!!



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Sin is the cause, Christ is the cure.."
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Hey all you Chicagoan's looking for something to do on Monday nights-

	Go to Berlin!
	A lot of you may know about this, but for those of you who don't, 
Derrick Carter spins every Monday night at Berlin, on Belmont and 
Sheffield, in Chicago.  This very night, i was coming home, got off the El, and 
spur-of-the-moment-like, stopped in.  There was Derrick, spinning like 
you know he always does.  Josh Werner was there, so I assume he spun 
later, (or maybe not).  I know Terry Mullen has spun on Monday.  There 
were a number of raver types there as well as the usual crowd.  They 
didn't card me, and it was a three dollar cover, how can you beat that!
	Warning to all homo-phobes:  Berlin is not a straight bar, but us 
straight but not narrow types are welcome.

"Say what you mean, and say it mean..." JG Thirwell




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Thanks to all who came out for this party.  It was beyond words.

DJ lineup was Jetstream (12-1:30), Terry Mullin (1:30-3:45),
Plastikman live (3:45 - 4:45?  I lost track of time about this point),
Erik Haupt, Terry Mullin, Richie Hawtin, Terry Mullin.  The Acid Guru
was the only ambient dj, as far as I know.

The highlight of the night was when Richie leaned over and said 
"Think they're ready for some Spastik?", then busted out with a
double helping, working both turntables with it.

About the cover-charge, Detroit is not known for large crwods.  They
had a very good idea what they wanted to make the space look and feel
like, and that is what they did.  The cover was based on an estimate
that would attend.  There were no intellibeams, they were laser
emulators.  There were also pin strobes all over.  The ambient
room had a couple of oil wheel projectors.

The space was hot, but not overcrowded.  The pepper gas kinda cleared
the floor until we got the fans out there.  The loading bay door was
open most of the night, and it stayed open during the gas.  We closed
it during Richie's set, after the sun came up.

Richie thanked everyone who came out, and said if you were there, you
know.  If you weren't, you missed it.  

What more can be said?

--fixer

PS:  Richie was really glad to see the Tree Town Love Posse there, too.


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>Hey folks,
>
>Looks like this week should be a GREAT one for parties!!(Too many????)
>Naaaaa.. 8)
>I'm planning on going to Massive's WWW #4 On Friday the 19th
>AND Karsten (YES!!! HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) On the 20th... We should all
>get togther some place, Being as I've probally seen all of you 90 times
>over.. Would be nice to get the face with the name (Ya know!)
>So mail me Or weasel(Steven Kaye) and let us know whats Up....
>See ya SOON!!!!!!!!!!!

I say _yes_.  Unfortunately this weekend is also GenCon, and gaming geeks
like myself must have our yearly fix of large smelly people with body odor
and BIG backpacks.  :-)  I get out of that thing at midnight on Friday and
Saturday, but definately want to hit at least one of the parties.

Will anyone be around downtown that late (MECCA Convention Center) and be
willing to give me a lift?



--
Craig L. Stodolenak
archon@mixcom.com



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Hmmmm..... was spastik worth the 6 hour drive?

(.5 nanosecond pause)

YOU BETTER FUCKIN BELIEVE IT WAS!!!!

just thought I'd put in my $.02

See you all at INTERSTELLAR
(and look for the kickin color flyer for it too!)

*~cosmic~~~

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For anyone who didn't go to Spastik:

..because of drug reasons
..because of non-drug reasons
..because of elitist views
..because of a grudge
..because they had to vist relatives
..because they couldn't get a ride 
..because they didn't think it would be worth the drive

I'm sorry you didn't make it to something that was a lot more than a
good party. For me, I found yet another dimension to music. It was
incredible. Great vibe the whole night long, and when the sun came up
and the doors came down, it started all over again. Place looked like
shit after 8 hours of abuse from happy ravers, but that didn't seem to
matter. There was a lot of feeling, different people from different
places, having the time of their lives throught great music. 

>From time to time, you'd see someone step up to Ritchie and ask how
the hell he mannaged to make eveything sound so perfect...he'd just
sorta smile and point to the turntable like "man...it's on the record". 

I was glad I got the chance to make it back up to Detroit. Glad I got
to meet many of you again. Glad I got to see some kick ass
performances by Terry Mullan, Plastikman, and Jetstream. 

Only drawback on the whole experience....for the past two days I've
been seeing little Plastikmen everywhere I look. ;-)

                  Take care everybody...see ya at Interstellar

                                         Mike

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Is anyone planning on going to Supernatural? Is it still happening? Will
the Hardkiss family REALLY be there? How much does it cost, etc. etc.? The
Columbia crew is planning on being there, we just need DETAILS....

wally (aka xochi on irc and other dimensional spaces)

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wallace winfrey
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the subject is what i needs. please? pretty please?

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i found it. sorry.

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> Only drawback on the whole experience....for the past two days I've
> been seeing little Plastikmen everywhere I look. ;-)
> 
heh...some friends of mine made some 12" stencils of Plastikman,
and went around town spray-painting the little dude on bridges
and expressway abuttments and such...

You'll be seeing Plastikman for a while!

--fixer


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>Mike wrote:

>For me, I found yet another dimension to music. It was
>incredible. Great vibe the whole night long, and when the sun came  
>up and the doors came down, it started all over again.

Agreed!  This party has increased my appreciation for ritchie's music  
multifold.  Not that I didn't like him before, but I never phreaked  
on it like I did this weekend.

*~cosmic~~~

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  c512571@showme.missouri.edu (wallace winfrey) with magic fingers wrote:

>
>Is anyone planning on going to Supernatural? Is it still happening? Will
>the Hardkiss family REALLY be there? How much does it cost, etc. etc.? The
>Columbia crew is planning on being there, we just need DETAILS....
>
>wally (aka xochi on irc and other dimensional spaces)
>
>--
>wallace winfrey
>c512571@showme.missouri.edu

yes, supernatural is happening, and i'll be there. i dont know how im
getting there but somehow i'll make it. i recomend anyone who went to
'Further' and who has also experienced st. louis events shouldnt miss this
one. there are too many performances to list here. i'll forward the e-flyer
to the list later today.

basicly,
it will be taking place from 8:pm friday to noon sunday at a *leagal* (?)
campground on the Meramec river about 1.5 hours s-w of st. louis.
tickets are $25 in advance, $30 at the door. camping is free.

main #s:

314.994.1143
901.323.8013
312.509.4982

if anyone from the milwaukee (or madison & minneapolis going through milw.)
is going and has room for an extra person please e-mail me. i really dont
want to miss this event. thanx...

-- 


 *joe*
                                  "IMAGINATION. Use it as a weapon."
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heres the "SUPERNATURAL" E-flyer i said i'd forward. i highly recomend this
event.

also look for color flyers out now...

>
>      August 19-21
>SUPERNATURAL
>
>one hour away from saint louis on 100 acres along the Marimac River.  shower
>facilities will be available.
>also avaialable for your weekend enjoyment: canoeing,rafting,horseback riding,
>tubing.
>also near a 16,000 acre hiking forest.
>
>c.d. give away
>clothing by Homie's and Hoe's and Clock 'em
>
>1st night - Big Tent
>
>Hawke
>Prototype 909
>Chian(live performance under 8 bit)
>Gavin Hardkiss
>Robbie Hardkiss
>King Britt
>Adam X
>Belejah
>Sotaro
>Trace-E
>Astroboy
>Jason Tartt
>
>1st night - Small Tent
>
>"Chicago House Tent"
>Mystic Bill Experience   [<--- mystic bill LIVE 1st time ever]
>Miles Maeda
>Robert Armani
>Diz
>Traxx
>Morby
>Dino Chase
>
>Ambient Tent
>
>Atmospheric Audio Chair
>Mark Ameoba
>Blur
>Dreamscape
>Driod
>Tigger
>
>2nd night - Big Tent
>
>Rabbit and the moon
>Mark
>Joe-Ski
>Reese
>SOul Slinger
>Barry Weaver
>Dante Moore
>Wade Randolph Hampton
>Jajo
>Merlin
>Wax-ee
>
>Detroit Tent
>
>Mike Huckabee
>Billy Bob
>Mare
>Eric Hupt
>Mark Brendel
>Dj Rah
>
>Ambient Tent
>
>Matt Houghton
>Ray Velasquez
>Dante
>Soulslinger
>Reese
>
>Visuals by Eno-One  [<---same guy who did lights for 'Ravestock' last weknd.]
>
>for more info call 312.604.1978  312.509.4982 -chicago
>saint louis - 314.994.1143
>tenn- 901.323.8013
>boston- 617.859.3605
>n.j.-908.506.9592
>nyc- 212.696.8938
>rhode island- 401.454.6020
>philadelphia-215.552.8940
>
>for more info e-mail tad aat
>js784592@pucal.bitnet
>


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 *joe*
                                  "IMAGINATION. Use it as a weapon."
 jap2@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                                - Juno Reactor


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by the way, im not involved w/ Supernatural. i thought someone might think i
was because "loud productions" is tagged as my name on my mail. i just think
this is gonna' be a great event. hope theres no confusion...

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>heres the "SUPERNATURAL" E-flyer i said i'd forward. i highly recomend this
>event.

I got this e-flyer a few weeks ago and just couldn't believe the lineup.
However, all I've heard anyone on the list talk about is Interstellar
Outback (which I'm planning to attend as well). It seems like this is going
to be the event of the summer (at least as far as St. Louis is concerned),
yet it didn't seem to be generating any discussion on the list. Should the
mw-ravers in attendance form a camp with a sign and all that stuff? I'd
certainly be up to it. Also what is the food scene going to be like? Will
there be vending? Can I sell veggie burrittos and grilled-cheese sandwiches
to hungry sisters and brothers who forgot to bring food? Where are the
advance tickets going to be sold (Deep Grooves?) And exactly how *leagal*
is it?

wally

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> heh...some friends of mine made some 12" stencils of Plastikman,
> and went around town spray-painting the little dude on bridges
> and expressway abuttments and such...
>
> You'll be seeing Plastikman for a while!
 
 yeah, like the one on the garage door outside by the entrance of the
place "he is cute and he will kill you"...:) hee hee. i dig it.
 
ryan.
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i have a question.

i have heard that the flyers for Interstellar Outback were out, and
that they are great, but i cannot seem to find one.

if someone would be so kind as to tell me where i can get my hands on
some, or even one, i would be most appreciative.  :)

thanks.

see you there.  :)

-becca

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On Tue, 16 Aug 1994, Arnold M. Maslow wrote:

> i have a question.
> 
> i have heard that the flyers for Interstellar Outback were out, and
> that they are great, but i cannot seem to find one.
> 
> if someone would be so kind as to tell me where i can get my hands on
> some, or even one, i would be most appreciative.  :)
> 
> thanks.
> 
> see you there.  :)
> 
> -becca
> 
Yeah, call the bluegrass rave-line and they'll send ya one.  I think the 
number is 606.281.4193.  

-Anthony


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"Happy birthday to me,
 happy birthday to me,
 happy biiiiirthday dear meeeee,
 happy birthday to me."

Turned 28 today.  Guh.  Where's my cane?  :-)


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Craig L. Stodolenak
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i talked to J.J. sat. in detroit. he said Pete (superfreak designs here in
milwaukee) had just gotten the flyers done at 8:00pm saturday night and that
obviously there wasnt time to get them to the event. i would asume he had
them shipped to lexington a.s.a.p. and that they are available now in stores
or from promoters in and around milwaukee, lexington, chicago,and st. louis.
i doubt there will be time to get the final color flyers to the outer
reaches of the midwest and the coasts. im sure there will be plenty of
leftover ones at the event for people to get for thier collections or you
could call the info lines and have one mailed to you. possibly since alot of
people know of the event but dont know the details it might be a good idea
to print up copies of the E-flyer and distribute it around your town and to
your friends.

see everyone there...
-- 


 *joe*
                                  "IMAGINATION. Use it as a weapon."
 jap2@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                                - Juno Reactor



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UPDATE! on InterLAB rave/techno net-musician compilation
----------------------------------------------------------------------

  so far we've received more than a dozen submissions and we are
  getting tons of support from already established musicians,
  labels and distributors! the general response to the idea has
  been nothing but positive and so we are very excited to get this
  project underway. to follow are some important notes that should
  answer some of the questions people have been asking about us...
  if you have ANY other questions, please e-mail us (please note
  our new address below)...

  					acidophile & modE
					 InterLAB rekkids

  SUBMISSION INFO
  ---------------------------------------------------------------
  we expect to release the compilation in late september, so get
  your submissions to us soon. send them to:

				InterLAB rekkids
				2582 stowell unit S
				milwaukee WI 53211

  all formats acceptable (cassette, DAT, vinyl, or even VHS).
  please include all vitals including booking info if any. of
  course you must include an e-mail address...


  MORE INFO ON RELEASE
  ---------------------------------------------------------------
  the compilation will contain approx. 90 minutes of original
  material by net-musicians ONLY. (our label will always be for
  net-musicians ONLY). the tape will be DIGITALLY MASTERED and
  will be available for $5 including postage. the tape will be
  distributed over the net as well as at events/parties and any
  interested retail outlets. but it will never cost more than
  $5. the object here is not to make money, but to get the power
  of the net surging through as many of us as possible and to
  work with musicians on upcoming InterLAB releases on vinyl.
  initially 500 copies will be made available and then copies
  will be made on a per order basis. extra copies will also be
  made for promotional purposes. let us know if you need more
  release details. in late september we will post track listings
  along with ordering details. 

		WE ARE STILL ACCEPTING SUBMISSIONS!!!  
  

  ADDRESS CHANGE
  ---------------------------------------------------------------
  we now have a seperate address for InterLAB, so please take
  note of our new address:

                        InterLAB@Mtech.csd.uwm.edu


  InterLAB MAILING-LIST
  ---------------------------------------------------------------
  to be sure you dont miss future details about this and other
  InterLAB releases you may want to be added to our mailing list.
  dont worry, its not gonna stuff-up your mailbox! just e-mail
  us if you want to subscribe...


  peace/respect/unity through dance...

  acidophile & modE                                          InterLAB rekkids
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
						   InterLAB@Mtech.csd.uwm.edu

							  2582 stowell unit S
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								 414.964.7590

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this is directed to those people who were at Rebirth this weekend, and
you know who you are.  :)

i have the pictures that i took back from the lab, and as always i have doubles
that i need to give away.  if you are going to be at I.O. i can give
them to you there, if not, then please send me your address so i can
mail them to you.

and in case you don't know who you are, it's:
dieselboy, justin, amy, mike bee, hossam, bit, jimi, and tony ramos.
there are some other people but i can't identify them. 

please get back to me, thanks.
-becca  :)

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Becca Maslow
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If people are finding flyers for I.O.  Could someone let me know where to 
get them too???  I need as much info as I can get to send to friends 
trying to go, so if anyone has any info too, please let me know!!!
*kiss*
Jen (lollipop-demongirl)


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In a technologically-induced stupor, Loud Productions flatly stated...
::
::it will be taking place from 8:pm friday to noon sunday at a *leagal* (?)
::campground on the Meramec river about 1.5 hours s-w of st. louis.
::tickets are $25 in advance, $30 at the door. camping is free.

Maybe it's just me.  Does this seem a bit steep for an event being held
outside?  I cringe at the thought of what similar events will cost next
summer or beyond.


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
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Speaking of these little things; anybody have any/wanna make one or two
for me?  Stencils are cool, and it'd really help decorate the area *ahem* :)
(Not that I'd ever deface public property or spray paint on anything i
wasn't supposed to).
so....send me your plastikman stencils! I *>REQUIRE<* them! :)
12" ones are groovy for me. I'd make one myself, but I'm not the artist
type (not paint/draw-wise, anyway).



ryan.
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 Hey this is a message for the Chicago ravers:
 What happen this weekend? Are people going to Supernatural?
 Or to Karsten?
 Only want to hear opinions. Also if someone is interested in make a group
 for going to one of these email me.

 Jay


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>
>In a technologically-induced stupor, Loud Productions flatly stated...
>::
>::it will be taking place from 8:pm friday to noon sunday at a *leagal* (?)
>::campground on the Meramec river about 1.5 hours s-w of st. louis.
>::tickets are $25 in advance, $30 at the door. camping is free.

then Steven J. White complained:
>
>Maybe it's just me.  Does this seem a bit steep for an event being held
>outside?  I cringe at the thought of what similar events will cost next
>summer or beyond.
>
>
>Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
>						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
>Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key
>

"Further" cost Drop Bass & Friends aprox. $30,000 to put on. i believe
they LOST somthing in the neighborhood of $10,000. i would suspect the
promoters of "Supernatural" are trying to avoid doing the same. i just
hope they don't go through the trouble of organizing a great event only
to have hardly anyone show up (hint: go to supernatural). i'll admit that
"Supernatural" was poorly promoted, but now that we do know its happening
let's spread the word...

-- 


 *joe*
                                  "IMAGINATION. Use it as a weapon."
 jap2@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                                - Juno Reactor


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that was in milwaukee, wasn't it? i've been so wrapped up in rebirth here
in cleveland, i forgot.

--
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macroncl@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	    aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	
    ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.''  --Derrick May
I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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> ::tickets are $25 in advance, $30 at the door. camping is free.
> 
> Maybe it's just me.  Does this seem a bit steep for an event being held
> outside?  I cringe at the thought of what similar events will cost next
> summer or beyond.
> 
> 
i think st louie is home and originator of the over priced rave.  being a 
st louis rave kid i have been used to paying $15 a night for over the 
past year, steep but promoters have the control.



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I have an idea for both Supernatural and I.O....Everyone has been talking
about a mw-raves camp (a great idea) but how about this:

a mw-raves Saturday morning pancake party!

I'm willing to provide the Coleman stoves and pans, etc. What would be
needed are donations of pancake mix, butter, syrup, milk and whatever kind
of fruits you like in your pancakes.

What does everyone think?

wally

--
wallace winfrey (aka xochi on irc)
c512571@showme.missouri.edu



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>i have a question.
>
>i have heard that the flyers for Interstellar Outback were out, and
>that they are great, but i cannot seem to find one.

I talked to JJ on Monday and to his Jace (roommate) yesterday and for  
certain, flyers will be in JJ's hands today (Wed).  About 500 will go  
out on a mailing list mailing and the rest distributed to promoters  
record stores etc.

So look for your I.O. flyer it's on its way
we promise

*~cosmic~~~

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In a technologically-induced stupor, John Kohlstrand flatly stated...
::
::that was in milwaukee, wasn't it? i've been so wrapped up in rebirth here
::in cleveland, i forgot.

Nope, Chicago.


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In a technologically-induced stupor, wallace winfrey flatly stated...
::
::a mw-raves Saturday morning pancake party!

What an excellent idea!  I think if everyone brings along a little bit of
everything needed for the mix then we'll be set.  I'll bring along a box of
pancake batter mix.  Remember, don't eat *any* pancake batter mixes that
have aluminum in any shape or form.  It's seriously bad for you.


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Yo, unto you who are possibly attending.

We have flyers. They are very pretty.

We are mailing them out. Currently the mailing includes 500 names and  
address in varying quantites. If you would like flyers to distribute,  
and will not be at the following parties (where you can pick 'em up)  
then just email me and you'll get 'em. They contain a message  
haphardzly concocted by jsquared.

the parties are: supernatural. expansion. memphis (both). indy on  
firday. chicago saturday. detroit saturday. chicago & milwaukee  
saturday.

consider that we are dropping a few hundred buck in postage, so if  
you can pick 'em up, please do so.

ps- anyone have any frequent flier miles they don't want?

but as far as we've heard, it's just gonna go ballistic. (250  
messages on the voicemail in the past 7 days) location to be  
announced on the new tuesday next week with a full map.

pez,

j2 (606.253.1376 at home) (606.281.4193 infoline)

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> that was in milwaukee, wasn't it? i've been so wrapped up in rebirth here
> in cleveland, i forgot.

Nope , it was in chicago.

Jay


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i'm looking 4 a ride to MO friday 2 Supernatural. i dont have much cash but
i could supply a tent & supplies or i could trade somthing for the ride. i
live in Milwaukee. we'd have to stop in Freeport IL 2 get the tent 'n stuff
but it wouldn't add much if any time to the trip. you can call me at
414.964.7590 or Email. thanx...
-- 


 *joe*
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On Wed, 17 Aug 1994, wallace winfrey wrote:

> I have an idea for both Supernatural and I.O....Everyone has been talking
> about a mw-raves camp (a great idea) but how about this:
> 
> a mw-raves Saturday morning pancake party!
> 
> I'm willing to provide the Coleman stoves and pans, etc. What would be
> needed are donations of pancake mix, butter, syrup, milk and whatever kind
> of fruits you like in your pancakes.
> 
> What does everyone think?
> 
> wally
> 
> --
> wallace winfrey (aka xochi on irc)
> c512571@showme.missouri.edu
> 
> 
> 
Hey Wallace..... I had the same Idia... I come from Albuquerque NM, where 
after most of the raves, we all hung out at everyone's houses or my 
house... I have had several post rave pancake parties and had planned on 
making oodles and ooooodles of pancakes =) =) =) =) =)  I won't be at 
supernatural, but I will be at I.O.  =) =)  I would be happy to get 
together and have a HUGE pancake party!!!  Let me know....
Jen (lollipop-demongirl)


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Heya,

I just broke my old pair of headphones in 2 pieces, which makes them a bit
harder to keep on my head  :)    Can anyone recommend a good pair of DJ
headphones  for say, under 80 or 100 bucks?

Also, good to see so many net.friends at SPASTIK.  Now for the bad jokes we
were making in line, waiting in the plastik tunnel.   ;)

My friend Kris:   "Man, you'd think that maybe in August, just on the really
hot nights he could be  COTTON-man or something like that.  It's so much more
breathable...."   :)

and my friend Kyle:   "Wow, there sure is a lot of Plastik, Man"
(followed up by) --->   "The question is, will it become RECYCLED Plastik"

    ::::::::GROAN:::::::::      ;)

p.s.-  a special shout out to Rob for the cool pre-meet loft and to Dave Walker
for getting stuck with leading our car caravan.  THANKS!


HalfLife  --->  Matt MacQueen
                macqueen@student.msu.edu

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You should check out the BPM mailing List to get a good answer to your 
question.  I'm going to post the address publicly right after I post 
this.  A lot of the search for good headphones comes down to personal 
taste.  Also, what kind of environment you are usually in and what kind of 
music you are spinning.  Good luck!

Later,
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  00    08/19 F  Milwaukee      WICKED WICKED #4
  00    08/20 S  St. Louis      SUPERNATURAL (3-day event)
  00    08/20 S  Milwaukee      KARSTEN
  00    08/20 S  Cleveland      ZOINKS
  23    08/26 S  Lexington      INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK (3-day event)
  00    08/27 S  Minneapolis    INVISIBLE
  00    09/03 S  Chicago        FAMILY GROOVE KITCHEN
  00    09/03 S  Denver         SPIRITUAL AWAKENING
  00    09/03 S  Pittsburgh     MORPH 1 (2-day event)
  00    09/10 S  Chicago        PERCEPTION
  00    09/10 S  Dayton         VOODOO
  00    09/17 S  Chicago        BOOM
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=== MainSection ============================================ E-flyers ===
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19-21 AUGUST Friday-Sunday    ST. LOUIS           SUPERNATURAL

      August 19-21
SUPERNATURAL

one hour away from saint louis on 100 acres along the Marimac River.  shower
facilities will be available.
also avaialable for your weekend enjoyment: canoeing,rafting,horseback riding,
tubing.
also near a 16,000 acre hiking forest.

c.d. give away
clothing by Homie's and Hoe's and Clock 'em

1st night - Big Tent

Hawke
Prototype 909
Chian(live performance under 8 bit)
Gavin Hardkiss
Robbie Hardkiss
King Britt
Adam X
Belejah
Sotaro
Trace-E
Astroboy
Jason Tartt

1st night - Small Tent

"Chicago House Tent"
Mystic Bill Experience
Miles Maeda
Robert Armani
Diz
Traxx
Morby
Dino Chase

Ambient Tent

Atmospheric Audio Chair
Mark Ameoba
Blur
Dreamscape
Driod
Tigger

2nd night - Big Tent

Rabbit and the moon
Mark
Joe-Ski
Reese
SOul Slinger
Barry Weaver
Dante Moore
Wade Randolph Hampton
Jajo
Merlin
Wax-ee

Detroit Tent

Mike Huckabee
Billy Bob
Mare
Eric Hupt
Mark Brendel
Dj Rah

Ambient Tent

Matt Houghton
Ray Velasquez
Dante
Soulslinger
Reese

Visuals by Eno-One

for more info call 312.604.1978  312.509.4982 -chicago
saint louis - 314.994.1143
tenn- 901.323.8013
boston- 617.859.3605
n.j.-908.506.9592
nyc- 212.696.8938
rhode island- 401.454.6020
philadelphia-215.552.8940

for more info e-mail tad aat
js784592@pucal.bitnet

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19 AUGUST                     MILWAUKEE           WICKED WICKED #4

The massive posse presents....

Wicked Wicked Number Four

Friday August 19th

Milwaukee Area

with the talents of....

TERRY MULLAN  ACID BOY TODD P    ANDI     AL G      EFEX        SYNERGY
  chicago       milwaukee      madison   racine    chicago     sheboygan
  HOUSE!       HARD TRANCE!   ACID JAZZ!  FUNK!   AL PACINO   HARD TO GET
                                                   FANATIC     A HOLD OF!
***************************************************************************
Depending on Milwaukee weather, this party will be outside. ( This also
depends greatly on the willingness of the nearby neighbors)

Admission is only five bucks with a can of food, six without.

Stay tuned.... 414.777.EXTC

Thank you to all who attended EARTH.  Unfortunatly, someone has stolen all
of the canned goods collected for the needy.  It was stored at the mappoint
(THE GLOBE) and we believe someone who was working on the upstairs'
renovations has taken it. (No small feet, since there was about 20 BOXES of
canned goods) Hopefully they were just moved to make room or something, we
can't wait to give it all to some good cause.

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20 AUGUST                     MILWAUKEE           KARSTEN

join drop bass network as we say goodbye to an old friend, welcome
back another and benefit the humane society and maps all in one night

K A R S T E N
august 20, 1994 - milwaukee

feturing the finest local talent:  MIKE DEARBORN - chicago, d-jax
records
                                   TERRY MULLAN - chicago
                                   MINDRIVE - madison
                                   LOST BOY - milwaukee
                                   TRAXX - chicago

plus spport dj's and an ambient sound area

it's time for a change, you don't need a full color flyer on slick
paper to let you know this event is going to be a great time

promotions by:  NETWORK 10
                MO POWER TO YA

414.256.1733
414.777.3998
414.548.1973

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20 SEPTEMBER                  CLEVELAND           ZOINKS

Aug 20, 1994
featuring
battle of the bills:

Mr. Bill        drop bass network       Milwaukee
Mr. Bill        Record Time             Detroit

and 

DJ Sun          ultraworld              Baltimore
Deadly Buddha   Millenium               Pittsburgh      

plus

Utopia Hazard                           Akron
Xon                                     Pittsburgh
tatas (sp?)                             Columbus
Bad Round (sp?)                         Akron
Dreamer                                 Cleveland

$6 in advance $8 at the door (they aren't saying how to buy tix in advance,
tho)

Location announced Monday. Call 216.971.9010 for more information.

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26-28 AUGUST Friday-Sunday    LEXINGTON           INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK 

INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK

a rural campground area near Lexington, Ky - August 26th-28th

a TOTALLY, UTTERLY FREE outdoor gathering of the technontological  tribe

confirmed DJ's:
Richie Hawtin (not the +8 records guy AGAIN...)
Dieselboy (pittsburg's phat boy)
Nigel Richards (philly's 611 person)
Goodwill (delaware acid jazzman)
Mystic Bill (chicago funk boy)
Jajo (just getting home from madrid with fresh, piping hot euro house)
Blazt (fleeing nyc in pursuit of the vibe)
Thome Tomato (arguably the most durable fruit on the planet)

and a hell of a lot more, from friday night to sunday night

info at 606.281.4193 & most regional infolines. 

"we're so crazy, we're giving it away."
>> I'm prepared to sell whatever I own to do this if I have to. Anyone
willing to donate goods, money, or just to help set stuff up will be greatly
appreciated. contact jj at either voicemail at the above number, voice at
606.253.1376, snailmail as jj haws, 323 West Virginia B, lexington, ky, 40504,
email at <uk02657@mik.uky.edu> we will also need some way to get rid of
50,000 flyers. can you help?

> we have recieved word from the aliens actually throwing this event  
> that the following pimpin' actions have been taken in accordance with  
> laws of funkular physics we cannot grasp:
> 
> the information below pertains to a gathering august 26-28, in ky
> 
> *) richie hawtin, john, and vapourspace are going to europe. curses.  
> may fire rain down on their souls, unless of course they throw the as  
> yet unnamed +8/meddling kids detroit vs. kentucky party october 8th,  
> with richie, john, terry as confirmed and vapourspace as "uh, if i'm  
> not already out of the country". if you bothered to notice this,  
> calender it.
> 
> *) josh wink will officially be in the house. er, in the techno.
> mike huckaby can have the house. billebob, uhm, in the tent.
> 
> *) mystery headliner hints. more than one. includes: spun.  
> soulslinger. and more. be prepared to bug out. spread verbally. tease  
> your pets.
> 
> *) damn, we are really running out of money. fliers are designed, not  
> printed, but in order to secure plane tickets at decent prices, er,  
> uhm. if you or your organization would like to donate, please  
> contact. the scale of this event has evolved to the point where we  
> have to prepare facilities for, according to best guestimates, 5000  
> humans. the aliens assisting us are unable to provide earth cash  
> until later this month.
> 
> *) look for an artist compilation coming out to help generate money.  
> more info later.
> 
> *) we are providing the basic wierdness. we invite others- you, the  
> ravers- to assist in elevating the base funkiness level of the  
> environment. please, regard this as your sacred mission as 4th-tier  
> networked human intelligences.
> 
> *) yes, fliers will be mass mailed. as of now, we have 250 addresses  
> to send fliers to. gee. that's a lot.
> 
> *) this will be jsquared's last party. due to recent alien  
> interaction, he will shortly have to have a translator to speak  
> effective english. 
> 
> 
> peace & slugs
> j2
> 606.253.1376  vm - 606.281.4193
> 323 west virginia B, lex, ky 40504

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27 AUGUST                     MINNEAPOLIS         INVISIBLE

Minneapolis M.O.R.E. Productions
present

I N V I S I B L E
 
August 27th, 1994

Dan Bell - Accelerate records Detroit
Adam X - Brooklyn Groove NYC
Derrick Carter - Organico Records, LaCucaracha Chicago
Mark Farina - having just returned from the harkiss worldwide tour
              Chicago
todd p. - Innovative Records Milwaukee
4d - labworks recording artist "live in effect"
     aka DJ ESP

Sound by 4d audio
lights by laserflux
chill room by pleasure

612.649.4902
612.649.4768

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03 SEPTEMBER                  CHICAGO             FAMILY GROOVE KITCHEN

saturday september 3rd, labor day weekend, chicago, usa
core innovations vs. ripe productions
"no matter who wins, chicago will always be on top!"

proudly present the biggest, boldest, baddest, loudest, fastest,
and last event of chicago's summer...

F A M I L Y   G R O O V E   K I T C H E N

core dj's:    DBX (DAN BEIL) - peace frog u.k, accelerate detroit
              TERRY MULLAN - chicago
              EFEX - chicago
              MYSTIC BILL - chicago

ripe dj's:    HRD CRU - toronto, canada
              MARCUS - toronto, canada
              M.C. E.Z. - toronto, canada
              MIKE HUCKABY - detroit

smartbar:     IMSMARTRU - kentucky
              LIQUIDNEOS - chicago
projections:  GORRILA FILM & VIDEO DRUGS

5 watt argon laser

meeting point day of event:  SOLE JUNKIES
                             3176 n. clark
                             call for directions

ripe / core / fresh jive / untitled

312.509.6453
312.604.1978 x117
414.548.1973
612.649.4768
317.895.4546
314.994.1114
313.730.2202
608.283.3357
        
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03 SEPTEMBER                  DENVER              SPIRITUAL AWAKENING

  Julian of LIFEFORCE and Big Life Productions UK present:
 
             "Spiritual Awakening"
                   colorado
           Saturday, September 3rd and beyond...

           -the greatest earth on show

Taking you to Planet E: SUPERSTAR DJ KEOKI (Disco 2000/Limelight NYC)
Tribal Shaman:  DJ MOLIGLI (Dallas) Transcending
Local Healers:  LL BISHOP, HIPPIE (and more tba)

Mellow Mood Masters DUB LIFE "Live" spiritual space

In Denver: 303-575-1711
Colorado/Surrounding States:  303-575-1113  

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03-04 SEPTEMBER               PITTSBURGH          MORPH 1

                           M I L L E N N I U M
                                Presents
               MMM     MMM                          
               MMMM   MMMM    OO      RRRRR    PPPPP   HH  HH 
               MMMMM MMMMM  OO  OO    RR   R   PP  PP  HH  HH
               MMM  M  MMM    OO      RRRRR    PPPPP   HHHHHH
               MMM     MMM        1   RR  RR   PP      HH  HH
                                 111  RR   RR  PP      HH  HH
                                1 11                             
                                  11
                                  11
                                  11
                                11111                              
                     
                     21    HOURS    of   WICKED   FUN!
                            Saturday, September 3  
                        2pm-11am [or longer] Sunday 
                   at the Seven Springs Mountain Resort

On September 3, 1994, the Millennium Co-operation will unleash the largest 
MOST AMAZING EVENT YET IN THE TRI-STATE AREA! This event combines the talents
of over 200 plus person who have joined together to take reality to the 
highest level. The time has come to build your own world! Make it happen!

      All Biological and Extra-Terrestrial Lifeforms Welcome!
 
DJ's and Live PA's:
                         Controlled Weirdness  (London, UK)      
                         Hyperactive           (Chicago)
                         Jethrox               (Drop Bass Network, Milwaukee)
                         Jedediah the Messiah  (Drop Bass Network, Milwaukee)
                         Michael Meacham       (Washington, DC)
                         Dasez-Tempo           (New York City)
                         Scott Forbush         (Cleveland)
And the Pittsburgh Kru:
                         Deadly Buda        (Millenium Productions)  
                         dieselBoy          (Player's Club International)
                         Finger             (The Food Group) 
                         1.8.7              (LIVE PA ONCE AGAIN!)
                         Jedi Mindtrip      (Back Up from Baltimore)
                         Terry Kicks        (The Discoman you love)  
                         Dr. Seuss          (Back with the HAWDCOAH! in a Hat)
                         Vic Money          (Fun House Productions) 
                         +FX                (The Original Hardcore Rok-Bot) 
                         Side 2             (Back From Madison, WI) 
                         X-ON               (F.U.E.L Productions)
                         Soji-Fu            (The Original Bad Boy.)
                         Loonatik           (WRCT-FM, Intelligent Tekno!)
                         Bob Brown
                         Alan B
                         Nseri               
                           and more!
BANDS:
                         Kelly Affair
                         Mace
                         Hell Belly
                         Ton*a*Bricks
                         Holden Caufield
                         Madjackets
                         Blindsight
                         The African Drum Ensemble *live tribal drumming!*

What do you get when you combine Tribal, Trance, Progressive-Rock, Techno, 
Breakbeat, Funk, House, Hip Hop, Psychobilly, Hardcore, Trip Hop, Acieeeed,
Industrial, SKA, African, & Electro?

The Morph Beat!

FEATURING:

<For your eyes!>          

* The largest lighting/video setup in Pittsburgh ever: 
- 2 Liquid Cooled Argon Lasers by PAWN
- Multiple Video Projections by PAWN 
- 12 Intellabeams and other Intelligent Lighting by EYEGASM
* The Circus Apocalypse Sideshow
* Sculptures and Installations by some of Pittsburgh's Finest Artists
<For your ears!>

* The TURBO Sound System will be the largest system ever assembled in 
Pittsburgh thus far. (stay tuned for total wattage) 
* Multiple Sound stages

<For your amusement!>

* Zamecnik Animations
* Snake Dancing
* Alpine Slide
* Facepainting

<For your comfort>

* Nearby Camping
* Food
* Friendly Vendors

<For your convienence>

* Mayflower Shuttle Buses will run from the Beehive in Oakland (3807 Forbes
 Ave) to Seven Springs every hour and a half Saturday and return Sunday
 Morning. Bus tickets are $8.00 and are available at all Pittsburgh ticket
 locations.

* Out of Town bus trips - call the Millennium Infoline for details in your
Area. 

In addition, The Food Group will also be doing an Afterparty at 
Cloud 9 in the Strip District. 
Call 412.281.8277 (Cloud 9)
or   412.734.8458 (Food Group Infoline)
(Those Organisms 21 Earth years or older with proper ID may be served until
2am Sunday)

                 FLYER BY Under Design 215.233.9777)

For Morph 1 UPDATES call the Millennium Infoline @ 412.734.5549

TICKETS: $15 in Advance
         $20 Day Of...
Available in:
Pittsburgh - Oakland                           Cleveland 
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------                                 
Collectors 12"             (412)682-4033       Deep Records     (216)382-3101
Teleropa                        621-2144       Datatrax Records      255-7767
AZIS                            683-8593       

Pittsburgh - Southside                         Philadelphia      
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------
Slacker                         381-3911       611 Records      (215)413-9100
Revolutions                     488-6227        
Glenn's Toy Box                 381-2116

Pittsburgh - Seven Springs                     Harrisburg
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------
Pittsburgh Pro Bike Shop   (814)352-7777       Checkered Past    (717)561-8898
                                ext.7705

Columbus                                       Baltimore
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------  
World                      (614)297-7900       Modern Music      (410)523-1882


Albany                                         Toronto
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------
Music Shack                (518)436-4581       X-Static          (416)362-5502


New York City
----------------------------------------        
Groove Records             (718)714-5232


For additional ticket outlets or to help out or need flyers leave your name
and number on the Millenium line and someone will get back to you.      

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10 SEPTEMBER                  CHICAGO             PERCEPTION

P E R C E P T I O N

saturday september 10th, chicago usa

detroit selectors:  KENNY LARKIN - warp records u.k, +8 records
                    ERIK BONE - utensil records

chicago selectors:  ROBERT ARMANI - d-jax holland, dancemania chicago
                    MYSTIC BILL - physics, kind family, h.p. society
                    DJ TRAXX - underground construction
                    DAVEY DAVE - h.p. society

second room of ambient and club:  ATMOSPHERIC AUDIO CHAIR

pre-invitation / 24-hour info:  312.604.1978
stay tuned...

physics / vibe alive / djax records / h.p.s. international

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10 SEPTEMBER                  DAYTON              VOODOO

                           V O O D O O
                          Sept. 10, 1994
                           Dayton, Ohio

         Live performance by Nova Mute, +8 Recording Artist
                      V A P O U R  S P A C E

                        From New York City
                      J O E Y  B E L T R A M

   From Detroit, courtesy of +8, Definitive and Stickman Records,
                     J O H N  A Q U A V I V A

                    From SanFrancisco / Chicago
                       M A R K  F A R I N A

                             Plus DJ's
                     JIMI            ANDROMEDA
                     FULLBRAIN        TITONTON
                     the ELE MENTAL COLLECTIVE

                         513 - 496 - 1071
                         
                         illuminatorIV

email!
kourosh (stu1008@discover.wright.edu)
jim (ad425@dayton.wright.edu)

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17 SEPTEMBER                  CHICAGO             BOOM

saturday 17 sept. 1994

jungle ting
proudly presents
the original

B O O M

from suburban base records, uk
sonz of a loop da loop era

DANNY BREAKS - "droppin' science"
DJ AK1200 - "wide"

stateside selectors:           SNUGGLES
                               RP SMACK

holdin' it down on the m-i-c:  BLACKEYE
                               JJ JELLYBEAN

keeping it groovin':           TERRY MULLAN
                               MILES MAEDA

hold tight for the flyer with the complete info.  rollin'...

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didn't see this on the calendar. got it last saturday

release		saturday, september 17		nashville
		(this is a pre-flier)

7 p.m. to 6 a.m. 
exact location t.b.a.

scott henry		baltimore, d.c.	
terry mullan		chicago
astroboy		st. louis
chip b.			nashville
jon blazt		louisville
jace			lexington

info/directions:	615.780.3730

--
The Chronicle. Elyria, Ohio, USA		John Kohlstrand, staff writer
macroncl@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	    aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	
    ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.''  --Derrick May
I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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Wow.  Got this flyer at Spastik.  Since this is a Friday nite, anyone know
if Derrick May is spinning on Saturday nite too?  I think I'm gonna go to 
this...

Anyone know how to get a Deep Space Membership card?



Andrew
-- 

(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

=============================================================================
Transmissions from DeepSPACE

Open A Channel
Open Your Mind

Fight the Gravitational Pull and Travel to Deep Space with
    H E L M S M E N

"Magic" Juan Atkins
Kevin "Master Reese" Saunderson
Eddie "Flashin'" Fowles
Derrick May

Date : 9-2-94
Time: 23rd hour - 6th hour
      11pm     to 6am

Coordinates:
The Packard Plant at E Grand Blvd and Mt. Elliot
(Use Entrance on Concord St)

Libations: Smart Drinks

DEEP SPACE RADIO FM 107.5 SATURDAYS 12mid - 4am

TRANSMITTING TRUTH TO THE NEXT MILLENIA

Tribe 9 / Sphere

DEEP SPACE Communications Info: 417-4770

Admission $7.00     $2.00 off with DEEP SPACE membership card

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It will be at 38 1/2 Case Street in Akron. At the Attik.

advance tix at:

Quonset Hut (Akron)	216.663.6603
Odd Corner (Akron)	216.376.0852
Arsenic & Old Lace (Ak)	216.434.9350
Deep Records (Cleveland)216.382.3101
The Attik (Akron)	216.971.9010
Collectors 12" (Pitts)	412.682.4033
Slacker (Pittsburgh)	412.381.3911
Record Time (Detroit)	810.775.1550
World Records (Columbus)614.297.7900

advance $6, $8 at the door. call the attik number for specific directions.

I screwed up one of the artists in a post to mw-raves -- its Bob Brown,
Akron (no I've never heard of him either), not "ba ba" or what ever I
posted (I don't have AT&T :-) )


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    ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.''  --Derrick May
I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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The Ultimate Seduction Presents

UNIFICATION
-- The Second Coming --

Dance Party
In Detroit
Saturday August 20, 1994


The Sound Gurus of the West Coast
  Simon  UK/San Francisco; Come Unity
  Tony   UK/San Francisco; Come Unity

Detroit's Own Vinyl Shaman
  Bone   The Man Who Made the Love Club Happen
  D.Wynn KMS & Transmat Recording Artist

PLUS
  The Sound of Ambient in the CONCEPTION LOUNGE
  The Detroit Percussion Ensamble
  Spectacular Lighting and Visual Effects
  Smart Bar

Circa: Saturday August 20th, 1994
Hours: 10pm - 6am or total dispersion !!!
18 & Over
Location: The Majestic Club, 4140 Woodward, Detroit, Mich.
   (12 blocks North of the Fox Theatre, 6 blocks South of the DIA)
Phone: 313/833-0120   833-9700

$12   313/886-2540

One Mind   One Body   One Killa Party


Unification represents the sound of One Global Nation under a trance 
groove.  (A redefinition of Dub House Disco, Tribal House, Deep House, 
Techno, Trance, Gabber, Garage, & Ambient)




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well....that was that.
the summer of love for Tigger has finally come to a close, or has it?
well, from my point of veiw, it looks fairly completely over; I'm back in 
Iowaaaaaargh!!!  I had a great time...I missed like 3 parties the entire 
summer (Fuse, Tornado, and something else....) and I met a helluva bunch of 
wonderful people, and I fell in love, met my soul mate, and solidified a lot 
of friendships.....

		(oh yeah, I also had a SLAMMIN' b-day party thrown
			for me by the DanDanJoe house...thanxs
		  a zillion boyzz....)

my favorite parties of the summer...EARTH and Acidic Opera...Earth because of 
the great locale, Deisel Boy, my Birthday, my GREAT friends, and Manchester 
at 6 am (pixel, sorry about the mixup with sleeping...you can yell at me 
later:); Acidic Opera- Lights (holy SHIT) Jeddidah, DB (holy SHIT), Ben from 
Racine, Mark Farina (was that Grace Jones?) Wil E, Jonah, and Everyone 
else...

least fovarite party....OUTERWORLD...reason...it sucked, and Christian from 
Chicago (word to everyone stay AWAY from that boy).


Things that I have learned over the summer:
	1. too much of a good thing can really fuck up your system
	2. taking a weekend off WON'T kill you
	3. new substances CAN be fun if you are responsible
	4. my friends really do love me
	5. Iowa is another four letter word
	6. Mr. JP is super rad (Kristen is going w/us to pleasure on the 10th)
	7. you can have two people as soul mates\
	8. long drives fly by with the right people
	9. rain makes you dance better
       10. Kyle looks like Linus


things to LOOK for:

	coming up, as you all know, is INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK, and, well...there 
is going to be the MW-RAVES mini-van caravan of LOVE departing from Iowa on 
the 26th...it looks like at least one, marybe two are going, and we are 
stopping definately in Champaign-Urbana to pick up a few people;  IF 
intrested in joining up, let me know (cammarat@ac.grin.edu)...more cars and 
p[robably more bodies would just add to the fun and general confusion :)

	since it is a *CAMPING* expereince, I would also like to anounce

	Tigger and Ramylson's

		SMORESTRAVAGANZA II!!!!

	(complete with stuff for vegans....I swear)
		if intrested contact me or Ramy at
		cammarat@ac.grin.edu
			or
		Butzke@uwplatt.edu

	brace yourselves, I'm gonna flood your mail boxes with this shit again
		(just kidding...I only remind you occasionally)




	ALSO (and this is it I swear)...on Sept 17, Grinnell College is throwing
an ALICE in WONDERLAND party...during the day we've got bands preforming, and 
during the night *I* am in charge of the post party...I'm going to *try* to 
bring some dance culture into grinnell, so if you want to spin, dance, sell 
goodies, pass out stickers, or just have a very chill weekend with a bunch 
(hopefully) of the mw-raves crew and some really strange college students (I 
swear some of them have never been outside before)let me know....I have heard 
rumblings of a Milwaukee contingent coming, as well as some from Illinois 
State, Purdue, and Indiana University...this is FREE, and I'll find you crash 
space (I PROMISE)..just let me know when you see me, and I'll give you a 
general Idea of *how* to get here....


	well, that about wraps it up for me, I'm sorry it took so long, but two 
people this weekend asked me why I wasn't on the net anymore...I'm just 
trying to develop my existence in this hyperreal format once again :)


	anyway....see you later boyzz and girlzz


----------------------------------------------------------------**^^^*^e^*^^^**-
Tigger				   		  Interstellar Collective of 
cammarat@ac.grin.edu					Trancedant Groove
"What we doing tonight, Brain?"
"Same thing we do every night, Pinky.  We're trying to take over the world."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

		ps.  I would also like it known that I have rediscovered
			my liking for Hardcore...as long as its not 
			Gabber...my GOD!  That means I'll fucking dance
			to JUST ABOUT EVERY THING!!!

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    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: gwiner%utcadmin@ibm4381.onet.edu ("Winer, Greg")
    To: pb-cle-raves@telerama.pgh.pa.us (* Cleveland/Pittsburg Raves)
    Subject: Re:nation of teflon souls
    Date: Thu, 18 Aug

    
    John sed:
    
    >that's greg's deal; i wonder why he hasn't posted when that's easier than
    >making the cool fliers he made for rebirth.
    
    *Aw, shucks*, Thanks John.  I meant to post, but haven't had an opportunity 
    to do so yet...Consider this the "official post" =)
    
     >anyway, his deal, Nation of Teflon Souls, will play the Fantasy in 
     >Lakewood, Ohio (it's on Detroit Road, I think) on September 1.
    
    Right - one block west of Detroit and 117th.  We'll be playing on a 
    Thursday night, so everyone can still have time to head up to Morph1 that 
    weekend.
    
     >The number given is 216.228.6300. And of course, greg can tell you more
     >at as231@freenet.carleton.ca
    
    ...or this address too - The carleton one is easier to remember, though.  
    Also, you can reach my Teflon Line at 216.883.6799.  The other number is for 
    the Phantasy.
    
    >Haven't heard him before. The flyer describes it as a
    >techno.industrial.electro.groove thing.
    
    Yes, we're not quite techno, though there are some elements to it.  I 
    thought some folks would be interested in doing something a little 
    different.  We've got a live guitarist, keyboardist, singer (me), drummer and 
    backup singer with an emphasis on harder edged hooky electronic _dance_ 
    music.  We've developed quite a following amoung the "I-wear-all-black" 
    crowd, but I'd love to see some other folks come out to see us and brighten 
    up the place =).  
    
    Glad to see some of the "tags/fliers" got out.  I was afraid they'd get lost 
    in the excitement of the event.  Unfortunatly, we had to leave early 'cause 
    my friend got a little ill.  I did get to boogie to a few of diesel boy's 
    cuts.  It's a shame there's no where else to hear great music in this city.  
    I had it goin' on for a few minutes there =(.  Could someone cross post this 
    to MW-Raves and NE-Raves for me, as I'm no longer subbed.  Thanks again John 
    for the plug =)
    
    Hope to see some of yall there on the 1st.
    
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
         j a c k  i n ,  b a b y :
                 g r e g o r y - 6
    n a t i o n   o f  t e f l o n
                         s o u l s
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    
    
    
    
    

--
The Chronicle. Elyria, Ohio, USA		John Kohlstrand, staff writer
macroncl@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	    aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	
    ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.''  --Derrick May
I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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   Well...things are not looking good...looks like this is my 
work's grand opening, so I probably will not make it. However, if 
anyone WILL be coming anywear near Appleton(by lake 
Winnebago...you know) can ya give me a shout, 'cause this will be 
one for the books, and I REALLLLLLLYYY do not want to miss 
it...:-<    
	Coincidentally...If I do not attend, I will still be one of the 
family...I get to dress up like the Cat in the Hat for work!!!!
	Well...not to use a cliche, but         Peace and love...-Itheo


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>	since it is a *CAMPING* expereince, I would also like to anounce
>	Tigger and Ramylson's
>		SMORESTRAVAGANZA II!!!!

OH NO! NOT AGAIN!  *8P

so looks like I.O gonna be a food orgy huh? pancakes, smores, ... well Bambi
announces a "kill the pig" gathering, I'll bring the live pig and the axes...
NOT!

oh looks like Nate and I might be going from Chicago (what about you Adam?).
Anybody wants to form a Chicago-Lexington caravan on Friday afternoon?

bambi
nib@dlogics.com

please somebody acknowledge this post, I'm getting posts from mw-raves, but I'm
not getting my posts back (especially that humongous Spastik review that took
me 1+ hour to type. Gah!ype)

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does anyone know how i can get in touch with John Acquaviva?
it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks

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this summer has gone by fast....

first i have to say that it was pretty funny to finally check my mail and see 
the tone of messages pre and post spastik...

second i wanted to report that at the michigan womyn's music festival (a week 
long gathering of womyn from all over the country with music, workshops etc.)
there was a group of womyn doing electronic music complete with what i think
is called a midi ball (the thing that is audience interactive..maybe mike or
andrew know what it's really called)...anyway since the majority of womyn's 
music is acoustic/folk stuff i was pretty impressed that they had booked this
group (d'cuckoo i think is what their name was)

finally this is pretty much my last post....i leave for philly monday where i
am entering that kingdom of geekdom known as a PhD program (in physiology)
hence i will no longer be in the area...so i guess i just want to say thanks to
those that i've met/exchanged ideas with/become friends with etc.....it's been
a blast for the most part...*chuckle*

                              kaffeina


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> 
> does anyone know how i can get in touch with John Acquaviva?
> it would be greatly appreciated.
> thanks
> 
John can be reached at 519/641-7059

--fixer


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help me,,,,,,, im going crazy........ im bored.......and HYPERREAL is down!!!
:(  :(   :(
*sigh*
god i guess this means i actually have to work. shit that sux

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my top five events of all time (suprisingly all from '94):

	1. Spastik (Detroit)

	2. Escape Velocity (Lexington)

	3. 2008: A Love Oddessy (St. Louis)

	4. Earth (Milwaukee)

	5. tie - Momentum (Lex) or Love Generator (StL)


looking promising to for the rest of the year:

	Supernatural (StL)

	Interstellar Outback (Lex)

	Voodoo (Dayton)

	Morph.1 (Pittsburg)

	D-day (Chicago - Halloween)

	Minneapolis' New Years Eve event (Woody's last event ?)
-- 


 *joe*
                                  "IMAGINATION. Use it as a weapon."
 jap2@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                                - Juno Reactor


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In a technologically-induced stupor, JS784592%PUCAL@uicvm.uic.edu flatly stated...
::
::help me,,,,,,, im going crazy........ im bored.......and HYPERREAL is down!!!
:::(  :(   :(
::*sigh*
::god i guess this means i actually have to work. shit that sux

Calling a friend on the phone and talking springs to mind.  Or reading
something, maybe?  With Internet access the possibilities are endless.
vrave is a *very* small part of fun aspects of Internet.  Explore and hack
around.  You may be surprised.


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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I think that is what it is called. I just know the following:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
good ole Dat & Amy are throwing a festive event on Saturday evening, I think
called Deep Space:

DJ's:

Claude Young (Detroit)
Dave Cooper (Toronto)
Mike Huckaby (recordtime...detroit) --I think!
Paris Mack (Detroit)
Brian Gillespie (Detroit)
Todd Sines (Columbus)

multiple types of electrojazz funk.

I think it's a whopping $5. In a not-yet-already-used space on Grand River.
Call Dat's infoline at 313 901 5052 and leave a message if you have to.

Please go, I'd like to see you there. ;]



todd (going with Andy Tannehill & hopefully Chris (litho) Jones and Stephen 
"kingsize" hinsman.... we'll see..)
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++++ sines.3@osu.edu / sines@sn.com / sines@well.sf.ca.us / sines@hyperreal.com
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Just an update:

Wicked Wicked #4 will be happening in the metropolis of Racine, WI- to serve
the people of milwaukee and chicago better.

Call the voice mail tomorrow afternoon for the exact directions to WW4.

414.777.EXTC

This is not the same location as WW3.

it's only five bucks!

come ready to pimp.
massive nine fo'

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Send all articles, responses, party reports, mix tape reviews, comments, etc
for Massive Magazine #6 to the following places....

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If possible, the best way to send articles or reviews is via E mail or to
the address on Mac formatted discs.  Make sure all corrections are made to
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YES !!!!

i found a ride to SUPERNATURAL.

im so happy now...

anyone else whos interested in going should Email me asap as there _might_
still be room for 1 or 2 more people.

or we could have a caravan...i still recommend that everyone go to this
event.
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> ::
> ::help me,,,,,,, im going crazy........ im bored.......and HYPERREAL is down!!!
> :::(  :(   :(
> ::*sigh*
> ::god i guess this means i actually have to work. shit that sux
> 
> Calling a friend on the phone and talking springs to mind.  Or reading
> something, maybe?  With Internet access the possibilities are endless.
> vrave is a *very* small part of fun aspects of Internet.  Explore and hack
> around.  You may be surprised.
> 
 Well, i can add my favorites muds:

 Battletech 3056: btech.netaxs.com 3056
 Chrome MUSH: colossus.acusd.edu 4444

 Hope this can help.

 Jay


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So, are any of you people from down south planning on attending Invisible
up in MPLS on Aug. 27th?  If anyone is in need of a rest stop/place to
crash I live on the way back in a town called Menomonie.  It's right on the
freeway (interstate 94) and I have ample couch/floor space.  If anything,
we can meet up and do the concert caravan thing..

laters-
                        Justin Morgan (jp/groove)



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If anybody in my area needs a ride to supernatural, I have two and maybe
three seats left in my car.  I live in Milwaukee, and would be glad to pick
up anyone relatively close by or on the way.  If this sounds like you, call
414-964-6349 tomorrow before 5 pm and leave a message on the voice mail, or
with my roomates (make sure they write it down!).  LEave your name and phone
number and I'll get back to you around six.  Gas money would be really nice.

-beatpunk

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Just curious who from the stlouis.mwrave.crew is going to interstellar?  I
leave for school on saturday so i am gonna miss supernatural  :(  but i could
find my way back to st.louis if someone wants to head to IO with me.  

-pj

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                                                        INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK
                                                           THE CD COMPILATION

As the FREE party Interstellar Outback in Lexington, KY (August 26-28)
approaches
I am glad to announce the availability of an important fund-raiser for the
event.

A limited edition of 1,000 Compact Discs have been pressed TO be sold with
all profits
going to pay those nasty bills that are accumulating to produce the
Interstellar Outback party.
The CDs (73 minutes) will be sold for a limited time on the net for $10 plus
$1 shipping and
for $8 at the party (so it would actually save you money to go and have a
great time!!!).
Hows that for advertising skill:)

The CD includes a 4 color insert of the flyer and a WIDE variety of music
from those artist
(both DJs and Bands) that will be attending the party.  All tracks were
recorded digitally
and they're Phat!  There is a great representation of the RAVE scene here
with everything from
HardCore, Jungle, Trance, House, Acid, and Ambient.  Do yourself a favor and
those who have
worked to hard to produce all aspects of Interstellar Outback the party and
donated their time,
money and music for the CD.  Check it out.

Thanks,
EllisD
_______________________________________________________
                                              ARTIST & TRACK INFO

 1)  1.8.7  "JungleMan"  - 5.42
(from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

 2)  XTRA "Islam" - 4.08
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 3)  Theory Collapse "ELSD" - 5.36
(from Columbus, Ohio)

 4)  V-GER "In Flight" - 8.52
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 5)  Who Don It "Maelstrum" - 7.25
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

 6)  Mark Verbose "The Nation of Acid"  - 5.58
(from Milwaukee, Wisconsin)

 7)  Mystic Bill "The Sound Remains the Same" - 7.38
(from Chicago, Illinois)

 8)  Josh Wink "A Trip Back Home" - 11.08
(from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)

 9)  Induction "Telemetry" - 8.59
(from Houston, Texas)

10)  Prism "Dreamflight" - 7.26
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

Please NOTE:  This is available on Compact Disc ONLY and limited to 1,000.
 If you cannot attend the party please include a Money Order or Cashiers
check for $11 and send a note with the number of disc requested to:

Interstellar Outback CD
11510 N. May Ave. #206
Oklahoma City, OK 73120

_______________________________________________________

                                                         Interstellar Outback
                                                                  The Party

Friday-Sunday, August, 26-28 Lexington, KY                       606.281.4193
when you put your mind to it, you can get really wierd. when a few
thousand people put their minds to it, they can somehow all wind up
at

INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK

a rural campground area near Lexington, Ky - August 26th-28th

a TOTALLY, UTTERLY FREE outdoor gathering of the technontological
tribe

confirmed DJ's:
Richie Hawtin (not the +8 records guy AGAIN...)
John Aquaviva (noted tron look-alike)
Nigel Richards (philly's 611 person)
Dieselboy (pittsburg's phat boy)
Dave Hollands (damn, what did he want to be called?)
Goodwill (delaware acid jazzman)
Mystic Bill (chicago funk boy)
(all those drop bass terror unit dj squad blokes)
Hyperactive (gosh golly)
ESP (of the Disco Family Planning unit)
Jethrox (shhhh! he danced to house all night at richie's party)
Jedediah the Messiah (what a funny name)
Mr Bill (the milwaukee one)
Terry Mullan (proud to be from Chicago, now)
Jajo (just getting home from madrid with fresh, piping hot eurohouse)
Merlin (backwards aging wizard?)
Zaccheus (houston's broken god)
Astroboy (st louis boy of the future)
Oddysey (tribal boy from PA)
Jace (from where?)
Stretch (st louey new kid)
Jearren (st louey newer kid)
Blazt (nyc vibal renegade)
Thome Tomato (arguably the most durable fruit on the planet)
AND MORE

LIVE PA's by:
Theory Collapse (columbus b2b techno)

1.8.7 (pittsburg's murder hardcore)
V-ger (lexington's own force for exploration)
AND MORE

stupid circus-style attention getting attractions:
wading pools filled with jello (if we can find the pools and the
jello)
16 1-foot long lizards to scare the hell out of trippers
newbie sound system with no dj schedule, bring ya rekkids.
whopping big prize for the wierdest spontaneous addition in this vein

and a hell of a lot more, from friday night to sunday night

info at 606.281.4193 & most nearby regional infolines.


"we're so crazy, we're giving it away."
>> I'm prepared to sell whatever I own to do this if I have to.
Anyone willing to donate goods, money, or just to help set stuff up
will be greatly appreciated. contact jj at either voicemail at the
above number, voice at 606.253.1376, snailmail as jj haws, 323 West
Virginia B, lexington, ky, 40504, email at <uk02657@mik.uky.edu> we
will also need some way to get rid of 50,000 flyers. can you help?

peace & 12016 live frogs



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Yo I am leavin this account.
My future address will be <eluna@bronze.coil.com> in case anyone cares.

To Andy B, Andy Tan, Taka, Aaron S, China, and any potential
contributors... *ele ment* will be out in early October as we have had so
little time to hook shit up.
BUT IT WILL BE OUT!!!!
Send requests for a copy to my new address, or to these others:
<tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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I am goin to San Fran for a bit so I will not resub for a couple weeks...
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e d d i e



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i was wondering what some of the rest of you thought about this mc-trend at
events now.  while raving last sat. in toronto, i found that the mc almost
never shut up and kind of detracted from the music.  i dont think that the
mc-thing is as common at wisconsin raves.
ciao--julEE

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On Fri, 19 Aug 1994 13:01:06 -0500, 
Julee Bokelman  <bokelman@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:

>i was wondering what some of the rest of you thought about this mc-trend at
>events now.  while raving last sat. in toronto, i found that the mc almost
>never shut up and kind of detracted from the music.  i dont think that the
>mc-thing is as common at wisconsin raves.

I agree.  At furthur during Aphex Twin's killer set, there was quite a bit 
of chatter over the top of it ("Yeah boy, aphex twin!" and "Aphex twin in 
the house!" abounded) which was quite bothersome to me as well.  

Hey, that was in wisconsin, wasn't it! ;>


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> On Fri, 19 Aug 1994 13:01:06 -0500, 
> Julee Bokelman  <bokelman@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
> 
> >i was wondering what some of the rest of you thought about this mc-trend at
> >events now.  while raving last sat. in toronto, i found that the mc almost
> >never shut up and kind of detracted from the music.  i dont think that the
> >mc-thing is as common at wisconsin raves.
> 
> I agree.  At furthur during Aphex Twin's killer set, there was quite a bit 
> of chatter over the top of it ("Yeah boy, aphex twin!" and "Aphex twin in 
> the house!" abounded) which was quite bothersome to me as well.  
> 
> Hey, that was in wisconsin, wasn't it! ;>
> 
> 
well that is not the sort of mc'ing julee was speaking of... toronto has
mcs like ez and gadget that run tings in a proper london style... here in
chicago we have men like jj jellybean and black eye controlling the m-i-c...
these are real mc's with real lyrics not idiots screaming at the top of their
lungs shit like "make some fucken noise", "i can't hear you" and "(dj name) in
da house!!"... 

as for it detracting from the music, when its done right, it makes the music
so much better.  like i wrote in CHA jungle and hardcore are MEANT to be heard
with mc's... if you dont understand you never will

mike


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shum@merle.acns.nwu.edu writes:
:well that is not the sort of mc'ing julee was speaking of... toronto has
:mcs like ez and gadget that run tings in a proper london style... here in
:chicago we have men like jj jellybean and black eye controlling the m-i-c...
:these are real mc's with real lyrics not idiots screaming at the top of their
:lungs shit like "make some fucken noise", "i can't hear you" and "(dj name) in
:da house!!"... 

actually i thought that most of what they did was exactly this screaming
shit like "i cant hear you", etc.  it was too much.  i understand the need
for some, but i just kept thinking  "shut up!" to myself.
i bought some tapes there, one with mc ez, and he does really talk too much
sometimes, but other times, it does add to the vibe.
so i like it in moderation i would say.  being an mc is an art like being a
dj and not just anybody should do it, eh.
ciao--julEE (not completely without understanding) 8-* kiss kiss

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>> On Fri, 19 Aug 1994 13:01:06 -0500,
>> Julee Bokelman  <bokelman@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >i was wondering what some of the rest of you thought about this mc-trend at
>> >events now.  while raving last sat. in toronto, i found that the mc almost
>> >never shut up and kind of detracted from the music.  i dont think that the
>> >mc-thing is as common at wisconsin raves.
>>
>> I agree.  At furthur during Aphex Twin's killer set, there was quite a bit
>> of chatter over the top of it ("Yeah boy, aphex twin!" and "Aphex twin in
>> the house!" abounded) which was quite bothersome to me as well.
>>
>> Hey, that was in wisconsin, wasn't it! ;>
>>
>>
>well that is not the sort of mc'ing julee was speaking of... toronto has
>mcs like ez and gadget that run tings in a proper london style... here in
>chicago we have men like jj jellybean and black eye controlling the m-i-c...
>these are real mc's with real lyrics not idiots screaming at the top of their
>lungs shit like "make some fucken noise", "i can't hear you" and "(dj name) in
>da house!!"...
>
>as for it detracting from the music, when its done right, it makes the music
>so much better.  like i wrote in CHA jungle and hardcore are MEANT to be heard
>with mc's... if you dont understand you never will
>
>mike
>
>
>--

        Yeah, at VIBE up in MPLS, Dj T1000 was doing the same thing..  "Yo,
make some fucking noize, blah blah blah..."  Pure shit If you ask me.  Now,
if the person on the mic had some interesting lyrics that were trancy or
smooth and not typical rap shit, I would probably be a little more
receptive.  Personally, I just like the beats non stop and the breaks and
lyrics that I usually hear are more of an irritant than anything else..

My .02.

                Justin Morgan (jp/groove)



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Wow, this was on Alt.rave.. anyone know anything about this?

jennifer a. adams (jennifer_a._adams@bitstream.mpls.mn.us) wrote:
> Attn. MN ravers!  MORE is currently threatening the ability of up and coming
> rave producers to successfully put on raves by paying off the people who rent
> stacks so that after would be rave'ees print up all of their pamphlets and
> use up all of their capital, they suddenly have no sound for the rave and are
> left bankrupt.   M.O.R.E. SUCKS SHIT and can LICK THE DINGLE-BERRIES FROM MY
>ANUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        And speaking of MPLS raves, what ever happend to dfp(discofamilyplan)?




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)



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On Fri, 19 Aug 1994, Julee Bokelman wrote:

> i was wondering what some of the rest of you thought about this mc-trend at
> events now.  while raving last sat. in toronto, i found that the mc almost
> never shut up and kind of detracted from the music.  i dont think that the
> mc-thing is as common at wisconsin raves.

>From my experience, MC's are strictly a junglist thing.  Comments?

(though there _was_ that nutter with the trumpet at Spastik :)...  )

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dave walker, detroit art services                             _
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>(though there _was_ that nutter with the trumpet at Spastik :)...  )
>dave walker, detroit art services                             _

bwahahaha! what a weirdo! I know quite a few people wanted to make him eat his
trumpet when he was doing his shit in the ambient room :)
the guy was walking around with his trumpet and say something totally
irrelevant to you then play his trumpet for 2 seconds and go to the next
person and do the same thing :)
I kinda liked his hat though!

bambi
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um...
is this just rumor or is MORE paying off sound people?
lets substantiate this please...okay?
I mean, Woody has done some INCREDIBLE things for the scene, and I would 
rather not ruch head first into an incredible..."god damn MNPLS"/"god damn 
MORE"...escapade, does this make any sense?

	what do the MPLS kids have to say?
	what about ROB WILLIAMS who used to share space w/Woody?

	can we please try to save ourselves from yellow journalism and 
investigate before propigating (I'm not saying what was said was untrue, I 
don't know..all I am asking for is substantiated facts)


	oh well....



				Tigger
				(one more roomie just showed...

					he woke me from my nap, the fucker)

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Well guys, i cant go to Supernatural so im here in Chicago totally bored.
Anyone with the same feeling?
Im on the net right now, on irc in channel #rave and in Vrave also.
See you guys there.

Jay



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On Fri, 19 Aug 1994, Justin Morgan wrote:

> Wow, this was on Alt.rave.. anyone know anything about this?
> 
> jennifer a. adams (jennifer_a._adams@bitstream.mpls.mn.us) wrote:
> > Attn. MN ravers!  MORE is currently threatening the ability of up and coming
> > rave producers to successfully put on raves by paying off the people who rent
> > stacks so that after would be rave'ees print up all of their pamphlets and
> > use up all of their capital, they suddenly have no sound for the rave and are
> > left bankrupt.   M.O.R.E. SUCKS SHIT and can LICK THE DINGLE-BERRIES FROM MY
> >ANUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
>         And speaking of MPLS raves, what ever happend to dfp(discofamilyplan)?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                 -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)

Yes I know all about this.  m.o.r.e. is supposedly paying off people to 
get the flyers from various other parties.  They have been doing so for 
quite some time.  (Plus a lot of other nasty tricks so Ive heard)  For 
this reason a number of little groups are not in scene anymore. (dfp, 
Yellow#five, Blacklist Underrground, and a few others.)  M.O.R.E. is 
becoming a superpower and is controlling the rave scene.  There hasn't 
been a rave or larger scale partty for about a month now and I believe 
they have a lot to do with this.

my 2 sense
_____________________________ 
Sarah French                | 
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Gaurdian of the sacred lime |
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In a technologically-induced stupor, shum@merle.acns.nwu.edu flatly stated...
::
::as for it detracting from the music, when its done right, it makes the music
::so much better.  like i wrote in CHA jungle and hardcore are MEANT to be heard
::with mc's... if you dont understand you never will

Is this part of that Chicago attitude people keep expounding about?  If we
don't understand it, then maybe you could explain it to us.  And if it's
simply an experiential thing, then say so.  Please don't assume naivete on our 
part.  We might be ignorant of the importance of mc's or how good it can be
but don't dis' us for not knowing.


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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On Fri, 19 Aug 1994, Jay Gril wrote:

> Well guys, i cant go to Supernatural so im here in Chicago totally bored.
> Anyone with the same feeling?


about supernatural, uh, does anyone know if it's definitely happening??

i've been out around st. louis  tonight and the rumor is that it's not 
happening.  IT IS JUST A RUMOR, but i think it's based in truth.  "they" 
also say that alexis has a backup space prepared.

does anyone know for sure?

the money evidentally was not found for the hardkiss brothers, at least, 
not as of last night.

i don't want to start rumors or bad vibe.  just looking for current 
info.  i know there were scouts sent out from felix's to find the party.

does anyone know?

thanks sooooo much
keg



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Anyone wishing to hook up with the lafayette crew on friday, I think we 
are leaving here sometime around noon.  If you happen to be going south 
down I-65 through Indiana =) =)  Also, if anyone needs crash space here 
on thursday night, e-mail me and let me know!!!
*hugs and smooches and lollipops*
Jen (lollipop-Demongirl)
Also......... Chuck (ned-snappleboy) and myself will be getting rid of a 
goodwill stash of clothes at Interstellar. =)  We will trade, or 
whatever.... =) =)(   Look for us there!  
jen

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On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Nicolas Bamberski wrote:

> >	since it is a *CAMPING* expereince, I would also like to anounce
> >	Tigger and Ramylson's
> >		SMORESTRAVAGANZA II!!!!
> 
> OH NO! NOT AGAIN!  *8P
> 
> so looks like I.O gonna be a food orgy huh? pancakes, smores, ... well Bambi
> announces a "kill the pig" gathering, I'll bring the live pig and the axes...
> NOT!

It will be a food orgy!  =) =) There are a group of us getting together 
to do a pancake breakfast on saturday morning if anyone is interested in 
contributing anything =) =)  *hint*  *hint*    E-mail myself or wallace 
and let us know. =) =)  Thanks!!!
jen (lollipop-Demongirl)
> 

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ok.  it is happening.  i feel better now.

however, it is raining.

such is life i suppose





electric koolaide

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wow.....i went to vitamine lounge in indy this
friday kinda as a fluke....
And had a really good time!
The purdue crew showed up and made my nite!
All house music, and met some new kids.
Its not the biggest or best thing , deffinately worth
checkin out if yer near indy.
-peace and hugs-
*spacEboy* + *linus* x kylE = *spacElinus*
Sooper dooper hugs and smooochies to chuck for the super rad spaceboy toy!!!

**oh yeah, if you go...try not to fall down!**

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Well, I'm off to Zoinks! tonight.  Hopefully it will be a good time.  
Anyone else going?  The real party coming up is Voodoo though in Dayton 
on the 10th of September.  See you tonight!

Later,
Polaris |9 (<--this is chop lickin' w/ a big grin if ya can't figure it out)
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     Where:          5137 Seyburn, Loft #302, DETROIT MICHIGAN.




How to get here:


             1)      From wherever you are, first get to I-94.  This may mean
                     taking I-75, I-80/90, I-96, I-275, the Lodge Fwy,
                     I-696, the Southfield Fwy, etc...a map of the East Side
                     of Detroit will help if you're having problems.


             2)      So take I-94 to Detroit.
                     Come off at the Van Dyke exit.
                     Make (left or right depending on your origin) turn onto
                        Van Dyke SOUTH.
                     Take Van Dyke several blocks to Gratiot.
                     Make RIGHT onto Gratiot SOUTH.
                     Go just past the Rally's on your left.
                     Make a LEFT onto Seyburn...it's the big converted
                        warehouse, Loft #302.


             *)      Call the info lines or EMAIL ME if you need help.
                     My address is trammell@eecs.umich.edu




If you want to experience some of the deepest, stickiest, bestest House and
Detroit Techno in existence, don't miss this event.  Craig and Mike understand
the fine points of ripping shit up.  Remember, dress to sweat and BYOD (bring
your own drinks).


Flyers for this and past events available in Postscript form from
ftp.eecs.umich.edu in directory /incoming.  They are:


        mpyr_1_front.ps.Z    <-- unavailable at this time but will return
        mpyr_1_back.ps.Z
        mpyr_2_front.ps.Z
        mpyr_2_back.ps.Z


A Postscript map is in the file:


        map_to_mpyr.ps.Z


THE FILES ARE INVISIBLE!  BUT THEY ARE THERE!


Use anonymous as your login.








M*PYR...*Moving That Ass For The Nine-Four*






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I was just informed that the promoters of the Young American Primitive show
in Memphis TN have dropped Chip B from the bill. Any of you who were planning
on going to hear him, don't bother. He won't be there. From what I
understand, not enough people came on Fri nite to pay for the Sat nite djs.
Oh well. It's not Chip's fault.

hope to see you all at Interstellar. Look for pancakes Saturday morning at
the _BAM/anode_ tent compound!!!

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Too hot, too crowded, too quiet, too busted.

I realize that the space was a last-minute thing, but I feel that on its
own merits the party fell on its ass.  What was up with the alcohol and all
the weirded-out gang kids?

Oi.


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Vrave is down, so I will say it here:
Only one phrase to define Karsten tonite:

 "THE GIRLS AND BOYS ARE DANCING ON THE FLOOR"
 "THE GIRLS AND BOYS ARE DANCING ON THE FLOOR"
 "THE GIRLS AND BOYS ARE DANCING ON THE FLOOR"
 "THE GIRLS AND BOYS ARE DANCING ON THE FLOOR"
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 "THE GIRLS AND BOYS ARE DANCING ON THE FLOOR"

Shit, i cant take it off my head :-)

 Jay


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01 OCTOBER Saturday		CHICAGO			    NATURE

>>> NATURE <<<<

Derrick May
On-E (Deee-Lite, NYC)
Terry Mullan 
O'Keef (Phili's Special K)
Robert Armani
Hyperactive
Traxx (Chicago)

and many other special guests

312.851.5434
312.202.5597


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This is my first attempt at posting something into mw-raves, so I'm
praying that my mail agent doesn't return "not-found" and that it
happily makes it across all your monitors and such.
 
Anyways.  There are four very eager beavers in minneapolis trying to
get to interstellar outback.  If anyone is happening to be cutting 
through this neck of woods, or is leaving from this neck of the woods,
and has room for 4 fine fellows, please let me know.  Gas money and all
that is cool.
 
Peace ..

						Jon G.
						MiND iNK.
						jong@kitchen.mcad.edu

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hi everyone!!  in case you didn't know i am now back in cheezland.  let me
tell you about deee-lites latest, dewrops in the garden.  get it!!  learn
it!!  love it!!  its amazing!!  i can't stop listening to
it!!  i am sitting here dancing and listening to it and typing at the same
time!!  maybe its the club kid that has rubbed off on me this summer but
deee-lite are the shit.  this new cd is just mind blowing. this is their best
one yet.  i know i haven't said a thing about its style or how well its
produced or anything like that but i judge how well i like music by how
danceable it is and how it makes me feel.  this one moves me.  just go get it
or i will tape it for you or whatever it takes.  one big high light is this
song called apple juice kissing.  there is a line that sez "apple juice
kissing makes me roll my hips".  isn't that soooooo cute? you NEED to hear it
if you haven't already.  (:(:plus full color on-e and dimitry pictures are on
it and lady miss keir is cute too:):)  what more could a girl(or guy) ask
for? if i hear any track from dewdrops at a rave i will screem with
pleasure:)  ok, you get the point.

ellen





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There's a gathering every Friday in Lawrence, Kansas called Mondo
Disco. It's pretty much run by Ray Velasquez - I'm sure you heard of
him. 

Anyway, I've only been a few times before - but the previous times
have been rather lame. Not necessarily the fault of the promoters, but
the majority of the club people just sort of sit on their asses and
refuse to dance. 

Well, this last week was exceptionally good for a club. One reason was
because all the students came back and WANTED to dance their asses off
- and second (and probably more important for me) Dj Dimitri was
there! Wahhoo! Really good shit. 

In addition, it looks like they've gotten a little fancier with
visuals (picked up a couple of emulators since the last time). Very
low on vibe though...I haven't been to too many clubs - but can
definately say they don't even compare to the real thing.

Glad you guys are remaining persistant. I know how hard it's been to
build a scene from the ground up. Keep groovin' and keep pullin' in
more DJ's with different styles. 

-- 
+--[ Mike Senften ]--------------------------------------solder@cis.ksu.edu--+
| "Anyone who has the skill to be able to break in and change their grades   |
|  would surely have the skill to pursue other careers as well, so grades are| 
+- really  irrelevant." - Stanley (2600)  -----------------------------------+

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                                                        INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK
                                                           THE CD COMPILATION

As the FREE party Interstellar Outback in Lexington, KY (August 26-28)
approaches
I am glad to announce the availability of an important fund-raiser for the
event.

A limited edition of 1,000 Compact Discs have been pressed TO be sold with
all profits
going to pay those nasty bills that are accumulating to produce the
Interstellar Outback party.
The CDs (73 minutes) will be sold for a limited time on the net for $10 plus
$1 shipping and
for $8 at the party (so it would actually save you money to go and have a
great time!!!).
Hows that for advertising skill:)

The CD includes a 4 color insert of the flyer and a WIDE variety of music
from those artist
(both DJs and Bands) that will be attending the party.  All tracks were
recorded digitally
and they're Phat!  There is a great representation of the RAVE scene here
with everything from
HardCore, Jungle, Trance, House, Acid, and Ambient.  Do yourself a favor and
those who have
worked to hard to produce all aspects of Interstellar Outback the party and
donated their time,
money and music for the CD.  Check it out.

Thanks,
EllisD
_______________________________________________________
                                              ARTIST & TRACK INFO

 1)  1.8.7  "JungleMan"  - 5.42
(from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

 2)  XTRA "Islam" - 4.08
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 3)  Theory Collapse "ELSD" - 5.36
(from Columbus, Ohio)

 4)  V-GER "In Flight" - 8.52
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 5)  Who Don It "Maelstrum" - 7.25
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

 6)  Mark Verbose "The Nation of Acid"  - 5.58
(from Milwaukee, Wisconsin)

 7)  Mystic Bill "The Sound Remains the Same" - 7.38
(from Chicago, Illinois)

 8)  Josh Wink "A Trip Back Home" - 11.08
(from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)

 9)  Induction "Telemetry" - 8.59
(from Houston, Texas)

10)  Prism "Dreamflight" - 7.26
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

Please NOTE:  This is available on Compact Disc ONLY and limited to 1,000.
 If you cannot attend the party please include a Money Order or Cashiers
check for $11 to ROM HyperMedia and include a note with the number of disc
requested to:

Interstellar Outback CD
11510 N. May Ave. #206
Oklahoma City, OK 73120

_______________________________________________________

                                                         Interstellar Outback
                                                                  The Party

Friday-Sunday, August, 26-28 Lexington, KY                       606.281.4193
when you put your mind to it, you can get really wierd. when a few
thousand people put their minds to it, they can somehow all wind up
at

INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK

a rural campground area near Lexington, Ky - August 26th-28th

a TOTALLY, UTTERLY FREE outdoor gathering of the technontological
tribe

confirmed DJ's:
Richie Hawtin (not the +8 records guy AGAIN...)
John Aquaviva (noted tron look-alike)
Nigel Richards (philly's 611 person)
Dieselboy (pittsburg's phat boy)
Dave Hollands (damn, what did he want to be called?)
Goodwill (delaware acid jazzman)
Mystic Bill (chicago funk boy)
(all those drop bass terror unit dj squad blokes)
Hyperactive (gosh golly)
ESP (of the Disco Family Planning unit)
Jethrox (shhhh! he danced to house all night at richie's party)
Jedediah the Messiah (what a funny name)
Mr Bill (the milwaukee one)
Terry Mullan (proud to be from Chicago, now)
Jajo (just getting home from madrid with fresh, piping hot eurohouse)
Merlin (backwards aging wizard?)
Zaccheus (houston's broken god)
Astroboy (st louis boy of the future)
Oddysey (tribal boy from PA)
Jace (from where?)
Stretch (st louey new kid)
Jearren (st louey newer kid)
Blazt (nyc vibal renegade)
Thome Tomato (arguably the most durable fruit on the planet)
AND MORE

LIVE PA's by:
Theory Collapse (columbus b2b techno)

1.8.7 (pittsburg's murder hardcore)
V-ger (lexington's own force for exploration)
AND MORE

stupid circus-style attention getting attractions:
wading pools filled with jello (if we can find the pools and the
jello)
16 1-foot long lizards to scare the hell out of trippers
newbie sound system with no dj schedule, bring ya rekkids.
whopping big prize for the wierdest spontaneous addition in this vein

and a hell of a lot more, from friday night to sunday night

info at 606.281.4193 & most nearby regional infolines.


"we're so crazy, we're giving it away."
>> I'm prepared to sell whatever I own to do this if I have to.
Anyone willing to donate goods, money, or just to help set stuff up
will be greatly appreciated. contact jj at either voicemail at the
above number, voice at 606.253.1376, snailmail as jj haws, 323 West
Virginia B, lexington, ky, 40504, email at <uk02657@mik.uky.edu> we
will also need some way to get rid of 50,000 flyers. can you help?

peace & 12016 live frogs



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I've heard a rumor that Ritchie Hawtin has canceled for Interstellar
Outback.  Can anyone confirm/deny this?


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 > I've heard a rumor that Ritchie Hawtin has canceled for Interstellar
 > Outback.  Can anyone confirm/deny this?
 >
 >
 >
 > Nequaquam vacuum.                                          steven j. white
 > aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.
 > finger for PGP 2.6 public key

That is true.  


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Steve J White Once Upon a Time Said ::

> I've heard a rumor that Ritchie Hawtin has canceled for Interstellar
> Outback.  Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Correct.  Richie Hawtin (note spelling :) and John Acquaviva won't be there.
Apparently EllisD@aol.com has some old info in the event info concerning
the Interstellar Outback cd.

Rumor has it the flyers look sharp.


Andrew
-- 

(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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Andrew Bennett writes:

:Rumor has it the flyers look sharp.

i saw one last night (i cant remember who designed it though) and ritchie
wasnt on it so..... 

and EVERYONE!!! im very sorry for not putting the calendar out for awhile.
lets just say i was having some personal difficulties... but theyre taken
care of now. :) NOW since craig is so eager to do the calendar... he's 
officially got the job. lets hear a nice warm applause for craig!!!

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>
>Andrew Bennett writes:
>
>:Rumor has it the flyers look sharp.
>
>i saw one last night (i cant remember who designed it though) and ritchie
>wasnt on it so..... 


Speaking of flyers, Cleveland needs more of them. We've got a record store
now that deals exclusively in house and techno called Deep Records in 
Cleveland Heights. They would be happy to put out flyers or sell your tickets,
and are already doing so for Morph in Pittsburgh.

If you're trying to get attention for your event, contact me. I can run them
over there, or get you they're address (not handy at the moment.)


>
>and EVERYONE!!! im very sorry for not putting the calendar out for awhile.
>lets just say i was having some personal difficulties... but theyre taken
>care of now. :) NOW since craig is so eager to do the calendar... he's 
>officially got the job. lets hear a nice warm applause for craig!!!
>
>modE 	 	                                             InterLAB rekkids
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From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Aug 22 15:15:28 1994
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hey, can someone post info on Invisible in minneapolis on the 27th?
i lost my info.  thanks
jim

p.s.
sheri, if you read this, email me
i have to ask you something

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WW4 - just bit ass all around.........

Karsten  definately was NOT WORTH 10 bucks.  it just sucked...... the music
was far from house. (well the house that im used to hearing at a "REAL" house
party) my highlight for the evening was mike dearborn.  everyone else
pretty much was disappointing.
oh well. shit happens.  and this was deninalety shit
tad

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modE writes:

>Andrew Bennett writes:
>
>:Rumor has it the flyers look sharp.
>
>i saw one last night (i cant remember who designed it though) and ritchie
>wasnt on it so.....

None of the +8 people will be there, from my understanding.  Flyers were
being handed out at Karsten; they _do_ look sharp.  Dunderhead that I am, I
totally forgot to grab one but I should be getting a copy either tonight or
tomorrow to scan and send to hyperreal.

>and EVERYONE!!! im very sorry for not putting the calendar out for awhile.
>lets just say i was having some personal difficulties... but theyre taken
>care of now. :) NOW since craig is so eager to do the calendar... he's
>officially got the job. lets hear a nice warm applause for craig!!!

[cough]  [blush]

It's entirely my _pleasure_.  PLEASE NOTE MY CHANGE OF ADDRESS.  I've got
my own domain, now...



--
Craig L. Stodolenak
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KARSTEN 08.20.94 Milwaukee

Held at the Great Lakes Dragaway park in Union Grove.  Well, actually not
on the track, but sorta' in the area next to the concession stands by the
stage.  The DJ's were on the stage, and we danced under a huge tent.
Plenty o' parking.

All house, all night.  Terry Mullen (is it MullAN or MullEN?) was on when I
arrived (late - @ around 2:00 AM).  Minddrive was next, and for whatever
reason, I was digging his set more than anyone else's.  I guess it was a
little harder and more acidic.  After him was Davey Dave.  By this time the
sun was coming up, and people were pretty tired.

Two sheriff's deputies showed up, but after talking to Kurt for a bit, they
just had them turn it down a bit and then they left.  At that point
whatever energy was left in the party kinda' died.

That guy from ATP (who's name I keep forgetting) got up and spun for about
an hour... deep slow house.  The dance area had pretty much cleared; it was
just me and a handful of other people.  One last song for Kurt, some mo-fo
hardass hardcore song, and it was over.  'bout 6:50 AM.

The temperature was cool during the evening to nippy in the morning... I
sweat like hell, so as long as I was dancing it was _very_ comfortable.
Free water and other purchasable food and beverages were available at the
concession stands.  No major lighting (a few Vipers and a strobe), okay
sound (no EV-MT but it was still loud -- I would have liked it louder,
though), and a reasonable price ($10, although no one was at the gate to
take my ticket when I walked in).

The guy that ran the place seemed to be getting along well with people; he
usually was poking around the stage, asking questions, etc.  People for the
most part behaved themselves... the place wasn't trashed at all from what I
saw.  Hopefully we'll be able to come back sometime in the future.

Not a _great_ party, but I had a good time.  Good turnout, short drive,
nice weather, cool people, decent price.


--
Craig L. Stodolenak
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JS784592%PUCAL@UICVM.UIC.EDU sez:

>Karsten  definately was NOT WORTH 10 bucks.  it just sucked...... the music
>was far from house. (well the house that im used to hearing at a "REAL"
house
>party) my highlight for the evening was mike dearborn.  everyone else
>pretty much was disappointing.
oh well. shit happens.  and this was deninalety shit
>tad
 
10 bucks?!?!  i thought it was only supposed to be five?  if they didn't play
house, what did they spin?  that sucks that the party blew chunks.  oh well,
 i guess i can forgive the stowell crew for convincing me not to go:)

ellen


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>On Fri, 19 Aug 1994, Justin Morgan wrote:
>
>> Wow, this was on Alt.rave.. anyone know anything about this?
>> 
>> jennifer a. adams (jennifer_a._adams@bitstream.mpls.mn.us) wrote:
>> > Attn. MN ravers!  MORE is currently threatening the ability of up and coming
>> > rave producers to successfully put on raves by paying off the people who rent
>> > stacks so that after would be rave'ees print up all of their pamphlets and
>> > use up all of their capital, they suddenly have no sound for the rave and are
>> > left bankrupt.   M.O.R.E. SUCKS SHIT and can LICK THE DINGLE-BERRIES FROM MY
>> >ANUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> 
>>         And speaking of MPLS raves, what ever happend to dfp(discofamilyplan)?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                                 -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)

then sarah french said...

>this reason a number of little groups are not in scene anymore. (dfp, 
>Yellow#five, Blacklist Underrground, and a few others.)  M.O.R.E. is 
>becoming a superpower and is controlling the rave scene.  There hasn't 
>been a rave or larger scale partty for about a month now and I believe 
>they have a lot to do with this.
>
>my 2 sense
>_____________________________ 
>Sarah French                | 
>fren0021@gold.tc.umn.edu    |
>Gaurdian of the sacred lime |
>-----------------------------
>
>
>
dfp ? disco family plan IS woody and sandra of M.O.R.E. i've known woody
since rejoice last fall and he is one of the nicest people i know in the
local scene. i seriously doubt this is true. like someone said before, GET
YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU TALK BULLSHIT. if someone can personally
attest to seeing/hearing woody telling sound companies not to work for other
promoters then thats another story. but lets hear it from them, not someone
who assumes it must be true just because no other large events happen in
minneapolis. also, how about letting M.O.R.E. defend themselves ? if i can
contact them i am going to send/read them this post. then i will post a
followup response.

-- 


 *joe*
                                  "IMAGINATION. Use it as a weapon."
 jap2@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                                - Juno Reactor


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jap2@csd4.csd.uwm.edu wrote:

>dfp ? disco family plan IS woody and sandra of M.O.R.E. i've known woody
>since rejoice last fall and he is one of the nicest people i know in the
>local scene. i seriously doubt this is true. like someone said before, GET
>YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU TALK BULLSHIT. if someone can personally
>attest to seeing/hearing woody telling sound companies not to work for other
>promoters then thats another story. but lets hear it from them, not someone
>who assumes it must be true just because no other large events happen in
>minneapolis. also, how about letting M.O.R.E. defend themselves ? if i can
>contact them i am going to send/read them this post. then i will post a
>followup response.


I've known Woody and Sandra for a while as well, and thats what I was
doing.  Trying to find out what the hell this was all about.  Do you EVER
see anything with the dfp label anymore?  Perhaps M.O.R.E. is not as much
woody/sandra as many people are left to believe?  If it wern't for Woody
and Sandra, MPLS would not have much of a scene in my opinion.  This is not
to say that other people havn't made a difference, I just believe that
Woody/Sandra have pretty much dedicated themselves as much as possible for
the betterment of the scene.  It's a shame that they get shit on as much as
they do though..

Perhaps someone should get in touch with Woody/Sandra and get THEIR opinion?




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)



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In a technologically-induced stupor, Craig L. Stodolenak flatly stated...
::
::It's entirely my _pleasure_.  PLEASE NOTE MY CHANGE OF ADDRESS.  I've got
::my own domain, now...
::
::archon@acid.com

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    acid.com
Address:  198.137.186.133

This is what I get back from a nslookup search.  Is this the correct IP for
your site, Craig?  I didn't get anything back from a telnet or ftp run.


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
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just to add my own 2 cents to the caravan talk:

if anyone wants to stop in cincinnati before going down to I.O., my
house and street is open to whoever cares to come by.

i think i am only about an hour away from the site, but i could be
wrong.

i plan on going down around 4 or 5pm on friday, but i would love to
join up with a group, so...

email me or call me, my number is 513.851.5023.

actually, the phone is more reliable than the email, but if anyone is
interested, let me know.  :)

-becca

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    kylE says" get tha new Deee-lite, it'll make ya smile!"


                          -peace and hugs-
                           *spacElinus*

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hey kids!
Anyone around indy tuesday should come and play!!!
All of the purdue kids and all of the IU kids are 
meeting at Baxbeau's pizza at 8:00 on tue.
To eat, talk, play, and carry on this little
gettogether thing we've been playing with.
So if you can, you should come!!!!!
-peace and hugs-
*spacElinus*
Oh yeah, Sho is gonna try to fit a whole pizza in his mouth!
come and see for yourself! Something was also said about
"nipple clamping"......but you'll have to find out about 
that on yer own!


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I LOVE Baxbeau's!  Too bad I'm stuck in Columbus.  Have fun kidz!  See 
you all at Voodoo I guess.  I used to manage Nick's Sweet Retreat.  Eden 
is just around the corner too, which is pretty decent considering it's 
Indianapolis.  Hug that bass!

Later,
Polaris |9 (<--this is chop lickin' w/ a big grin if ya can't figure it out)
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after bout a month off the net with NO techno events in my life,
i came back to life at that there party...po' boy? the thing off
of grand river saturday night...man, did it make me happy to see
how much cooler the detroit party people are getting by the month...

slammin party...gillesspe's acid funk jass set in the funk room
was soooooo much better than that weak ass ambient thats been 
gooing around (be careful, its poison!!) haha

that outside space was dope, man.

i was at the majesty club earlier that night, paid $12, and got
pretty much ripped off...the vibe was too beer for me!

i had looked for the other party on burroughs but couldnt find it,
so went to the majestic.

so im sitting there and claude young comes up and tells me to go to 
the other party! man, im telling you, claudes the coolest and nicest
cat there is.

paris spun some dark breaks which kinda turned me off for a while,
though i like (some) breaks in general.

nice to see: (mw-dancers)

erika sherman
dave walker
todd sines
dave hollands (?)
josh garret.

anyone else there with comments?

i get death threats because of my broadcasting skills :)

__________:::::::::<><><><><>><>>>>>>>>>george 

WCBN-FM FUCKING ANN ARBOR.

HEY, ERIKA SHERMAN"S A WCBN DJ TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we is taking over the net ;) 


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hey man,

im lookin for a pair of used 1200s AND/OR

the cheapest place for new ones.

im considering either the stanton 610 mixer or 
MTX 250...any info appreciated.

dont listen to my show(s), im warning you!

george x 


From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Aug 23 02:38:43 1994
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man, that is no fair!
we don't have half as many net ravers in cincy as they do in indy.
the most fun we have is andrew bennett, whoop-di-do.
(just kidding andrew, don't hit me :)

-becca

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Becca Maslow
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little elf :)

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                         Morph 1 has been moved to a new location, it is:
the Fayette County Fairgrounds. New Directions- >From Pittsburgh,
Cleveland, Cinncinatti, Columbus, Get on Pa Turnpike going East until you
get to Exit 8 (New Stanton), from the exit, take route 119 South until you
reach the Fairgrounds (You'll be driving on 119S for about 15 Minutes).
       >From Harrisburg, Washington DC, Baltimore, New York, Philadelphia,
get on the Pa Turnpike going West, get off at exit 8
(New Stanton), and then take 119 South until you reach the Fairgrounds
(You'll be driving on 119S for about 15 minutes).

Q. Why the change?
A. Seven Springs, after accepting our deposit, decided that Morph 1 did
not fit their family image. Thus, We have started legal proceedings
against them. 
Q.Well, what is the new space like?
A. It's actually better. We now have A covered Ampitheatre, and 2 large
enclosed buildings. Each building is can hold about 700-800 people, so I
think we may have one of the larger chill-rooms to date. There is no fear
of rain anymore, and there's alot of wide open space to roam around. All 3
structures are pretty good acoustically, also.
Q. Is there camping?
A.Like I said, there is alot of room here.
Q.Are there still Bus shuttles from the Beehive?
A.Yes.
Q. Is all the talent confirmed?
A. Yes. BUT, Dasez Tempo needs a ride from NYC still, as a matter of fact,
my lawyer said that he would come if he could get a lift also.
Q.What about the Alpine Slide? 
A.It has slid into oblivion.
Q. When are tickets up for sale?
A. Tickets are out in Pittsburgh now, and all other cities should be
getting theirs by Thursday. Get your tickets early!!! We want to keep
adding more stuff!!!

All times are the same. We are thinking of adding some new stuff not on
the flyer, such as living theatre, and some other suprises.

Peace Out-Buda.

P.S. It's a little difficult for me to check my mail often, so, if you
write, please give me a little time to get back to you.


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Minneapolis M.O.R.E. productions presents
 
INVISIBLE

August 27th, 1994

Dan Bell - Accelerate records Detroit
Adam X - Brooklyn Groove NYC
Derrick Carter - Organico records, LaCucaracha Chicago
Mark Farina - having just returned from the Hard Kiss worldwide tour
              Chicago
todd p. - Innovative Records Milwaukee
4d - labworks recording artist "live in effect"

sound by 4d audio
lights by LASERFLUX
chill space by pleasure

612.649.4902
612.649.4768


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i am coming from detroit and would like to know if anyone had directions yet
etc....

thanks

regis

any other info i should know?
i lost all my messages from the past few days

thanks

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Well,

I have been wanting to respond to the accusations against Woody\DFP\MORE 
for quite some time, but first I have been going out and doing checking of 
my OWN.  Not just with Woody either.  I have spoken to about this sort of 
thing in the past when it was brought up, so i made sure to ask around to 
all the sources I thought would be valid.

I have found NO evidence that support the accusations against Woody McBride 
or M.O.R.E. productions.  Every person I spoke to (all of whom would\should 
know of such things gong on ad would have no reason to lie to me) said that 
those rumors were ABSOLUTELY false.  It looks like this is just another case of 
jealous people taking shots of the guy who is doing the best.

I have been a friend of Woody's for quite awhile on both a personal and 
business level, and time and time again when smaller 
promoters\artists\ravers have came to him for help I have seen him help 
them out.  

It seems that many of these rumors against him were started by a person who 
came for help, but whrn their plans (equinox) fell through because of 
their OWN lac of forethought, they turned on Woody and blamed him for their 
downfall.  I know for a fact that Woody did all he could to help these 
people get their shit together right up until (and past actually) the 
moment that it was obvious that nothing could possibly come of it.  People 
seem to think it is easy to through events like his until they try to.  
Then they get mad at him because he can pull it off and they cannot.

The reason that Woody\DFP\MORE has been so successful is that Woody and his 
partners (sandra, etc..) have their shit together and don't wait untilt he 
last minute to do such things as RESERVE a sound system. From what i 
understand, most other local promoters cannot say the same.  I know for  a 
fact that BOTH of the other promoters (and I use the term loosely) that I 
heard about who had troubles with gettng a sound system had them because 
they waited until FAR too late to reserve one, it is as simple as that.  

To say that Woody "paid off" the sound rental places to not rent to other 
promoters is absolutely ridiculous, how could he afford to do so, why 
would the renatl places agree to do so, and in what way would that help 
Woody?  If you think that Woody has enough money to buy off the rental 
places, then you have a GROSS misunderstanding about how much money he is 
actually making on these things.

Woody feels his events speak for themselves, who else puts on events around 
here with walls of bass and\or DJs\acts like his?  Nobody. He has no need 
to try to cripple other promoters, they seem to do that just fine by 
themselves.  People need to take responsibility for their own mistakes and 
not just blame it on the easy target, this only hurts the scene.

Woody invites ANYONE who has ANY sort of problem with the way he has thrown 
events or dealt with the scene in general to contact him DIRECTLY and 
settle things once and for all.  Contact me and I will put you in contact 
with him.


    Kennen Sie eine Merle? Kennen Sie eine Merle?  Das ist gut...zu gut.

     Rob Williams</>INFIDELITY RECORDINGS</>fEEd</>Tribal Warning Shots
                           feed@maroon.tc.umn.edu

              gerade sie..sie ist mein Opfer. Schad um sie....
                sie wird's..ach, nicht lange durchhalten....

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Hi all---

Bambi, and Adam and I are all planning to drive together to IO.  It's pretty
essential that I get there, since I'm meeting someone who will drive me to NY
from there (and I NEED to get to NY -- but that's a long story...)  The
problem is, Bambi has a deadline for work and is only "90% sure" that he'll be
able to give us a ride.  I'm coming from Chicago and I just want to have a
backup plan in case of the other 10%.  It would be *great* if someone could
drive both Adam and I, but *I'm* more essential. ;)  If there's any chance you
could fit me (and possibly Adam) and maybe a tent (which houses 3 ppl) which
I'd like to include (if at all possible) please let me know.  Thanks a bunch
pals o' mine :)  Hope I'll see you all there.

peaceout
        nate

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[flyer scanned and uploaded to hyperreal.com]

those meddling kids, aided and abetted by jsquared, present

I N T E R S T E L L A R    O U T B A C K

a 3-day campout gathering of tweaked techno vibal tribe shindig wingding

August 26-28 1994  -  starts 6pm friday
                      ends ?? after sunday

pa's by:  1.8.7
          induction
          theory collapse
          v-ger

rotational groove technicians:  astroboy
(in alphabetical order)         billeebob
                                cosmic
                                dieselboy
                                efex
                                esp
                                goodwill
                                david hollands
                                mike huckaby
                                hyperactive
                                jace
                                jaerran
                                jajo
                                jethrox
                                jedediah
                                trevor lamont
                                merlin
                                mind drive
                                mr. bill (mil)
                                terry mullan
                                mystic bill
                                paris
                                nigel richards
                                spun
                                stretch
                                thome tomato
                                wink
                                zaccheus

(+ a few surprises)

government approved sound by Concert Productions
(recently seen amplifying the presidental inauguration)

tons of "smarter than the average bear" lights donated by:  maxximum
                                                            how cool

visual brain image transplantation by:  zero
                                  and:  terminal eye dee

we offer a pile of twelve techno tapes for the kookiest thng we see that
contributes to the vibe

second sound system with no dj schedule (bring ya rekkids) donated by the
illuminators

circle to drum in the dawn of every morning

look for the IO CD featuring artists who will be spinning

call the week of the event for information

615.780.3730  nashville
502.569.1969  louisville
414.777.3998  milwaukee
317.899.8100  muncie
606.253.1376  zurich
212.465.3299  nyc (satellite)

606.281.4193  bluegrass raveline

check infolines around your region

FREE - NO ADVANCE TICKETS WILL BE SOLD
       ABSOLUTELY NO GUEST LIST

MUSIC IS THE PERFECT EXPRESSION OF THE WILL OF THE WORLD
     in the modern world, there isn't a heck of a lot around that really
brings us together.  in the past the thing that usually gave people a sense
of unity was a commong enemy.  the gradual fading of that kind of thinking
is great, but what do we do to find some close-knit group or family we can
hang out with?  one thing people do find is an "underground" - some quirky
group brought together by some particular fetish, in this case, the fetish
is techno music, or the particular experience we find when there are
hundereds of people immersed in some really funky sounds.  the word vibe is
played out - but we still go looking for it; some of us drive hundereds of
miles for it so where is it?
     having exhausted all the geographical frontiers save that of leaving
the planet, it is time to put our house in order before checking out the
universe at large.  one of the most difficult frontiers to explore is the
second to last - the human mind.  it's all too easy in a world of
inexpensive basic comforts to settle down to a routine from which you never
wake up.  the path of least resistance, the damnedest difficult thing to
remember is to keep yourself awake, to act in the world rather than merely
react to it, anything which keeps us from being a pile of robots ins
welcome, but do these parties wake you up or sedate you?  in the best case,
weird things cause evolution - but sometimes just get you through the week.
     this is somehow one of the most important times in history.  not quite
interplanetary, but not that far off either.  we have the tools and the
organization to either screw up royally or bust out into the universe.
it's not like technology is the magic solution to all our problems, but
technology and a little crazy wisdom... maybe, with all this hoopla about
the slackers and hackers, it sounds like we collect the skills to make a
difference but never get around to it, like nothing motivates us.
(nationalism is a dying cause, albeit tough to kill.  religion never seems
to deliver, politics has become a science of media manipulation, but out of
touch enough to sound stupid.  idealism, hell, we all saw how the hippies
imploded into a carnival of materialism.)  so what is there to get us off
our collective butts?  how existentialist.  nothing, really - unless you
consider what happens if we don't.  but then if you look in the other
direction, towards the future, you can see things far more bizarre than any
science fiction.  and someone said, perhaps a small celebration is in
order...
     what we can accomplish and experience with our lives is vastly
determined by what we each see as our limitations.  but by and large these
are solid and difficult to change by the time one thinks about it.  one
sneaky tactic is the background of a peak experience, defying the
traditional layout of existence and then providing a trick - like suddenly
you're someplace you've never been, looking back at where you usually are.
it changes how you look at everyday life.  by experimenting with our
paradigms, we can change our own view of the world.  that half-full cup
thing, ya know?  well, maybe that's a little too much to expect from a
party, but what the hell.
     oh, yeal.  back to the party.  what we're doing here is an experiment
in the methodology of throing these shindigs.  here's an idea:  the
creativitiy of a core crew of forty people is tiny in comparison to that of
a couple thousand.  think about what you want to bring to this besides
tents.  strange art, textlike information viruses, or neat techy toys;
hell, surprise us.  there's a spectrum along which this 'movement' could
fall, ranging from a force for enlightenment to a pile of drug-crazed,
deluded hippies.  it's not like we're on some zany quest to save the
universe, or bring about higher awareness by bugging out to uplifting
music.  but then again, it's not just about the noise, it's what the
music's about.  some dead german philosopher named schopenhauer said that
music was the perfect expression of the will of the world; what a wacky
guy.  well, it does get us moving.
     the abstraction of techno allows us to invent our own inexpressible
significance to the sounds.  the oscillations to the time of the beat mean
whatever you want them to mean.  the rhythms of physics, the cyclical
nature of human expeirence, the wheel of karma, the shape of a cop's jelly
donut.  what you see in it, what you get out of it - that's up to you.
while you attend this crazy campout, we invite you to completely ignore all
of outside existence.  hang out with the family, do a little bit more than
go throught the motions.  devle a little.  relax, we'll be here a while.
camp out, dance a bit.  some people from far away are gonna spin a few
records... it'll be like a rave, only different.



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the people want information, and the aliens have authorized
to provide some okay.
i am driving to the site in the morning to approach it from all angles
and provide comprehensive directions. getting lost sux, i'll try hard.
there will be maps from a gas station right as one exits
the interstate.
the fliers are ALL GONE. there will be a few for souveniers at the site.
postage spent sending fliers: $360. worth evrey penny.

we will happily fax maps to you if you need, but I bet we can just
post enough info to get you here.
massive vibes. NO ALCOHOL. any signs of alcohol or drugs will get
the party hassled. we havee 800 acres to ourselves, but be cool.
expect the full TELEMETRY UPDATE wedsnesday night...
I hoe that this all comes together like it looks like it will.
mail mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu

er , this quote just weent berserk...
apologies for the incomprehensible letter.

new terry tapes will be at outback

forecast looks good. evreything is going smooth. 
should I make outback shirts? or maybe some promotre jackets
for the neetravers? 

I'm going to go throw this keeeyboard away and go to sleep.

pez & frogs

j2

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        Amen.  Thanks for answering my questions.




                                -Justin Morgan (jp/groove)



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uh.. i was spinning there too, dude.


anyone have any comments on my set?



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What the hell is an "andrew bennett"?  Now where is that 100 cu. foot 
bass cabinet?

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>What the hell is an "andrew bennett"?

a weird animal with shorts matching his car and that drives around Michigan
roads scattering as many bolts and engine parts as possible. Look for that
species late at night in 24hrs Napa Auto Parts shops...

:P

bambi
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If anything can poosibly go wrong....it will.


the Interstellar Mini-Van caravan of LOVE is in trouble.
one of our vans bailed, and the other is STILL questionable.
I haven't heard from Ramylson, so I don't even KNOW if he's coming yet...
on top of it all, I'm feeling sorta ill.....


BUT


if ANYONE is driving through Iowa, please PLEASE PLEASE see if you can make 
some room for two really nice guys...Mr. JP and Tigger...we'd love you 
forever.




			desperate and needy....


			Tigger

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On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, Tigger wrote:

> If anything can poosibly go wrong....it will.
> 
> 
> the Interstellar Mini-Van caravan of LOVE is in trouble.
> one of our vans bailed, and the other is STILL questionable.
> I haven't heard from Ramylson, so I don't even KNOW if he's coming yet...
> on top of it all, I'm feeling sorta ill.....
> 
> 
> BUT
> 
> 
> if ANYONE is driving through Iowa, please PLEASE PLEASE see if you can make 
> some room for two really nice guys...Mr. JP and Tigger...we'd love you 
> forever.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 			desperate and needy....
> 
> 
> 			Tigger
> 

			I'll give you candy and blowpops if you come and
			get Tigger and I.......


					MrJP


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Hey.
   I had tons of fun at Karsten.  Although it may have seemed to many that it
wasn't a "house" party I think it was... it just had different forms of house. 
Drop Bass's voice mail the week before stated that they wanted to cover the
many styles of house... etc.
   So Mike Dearborn didn't spin house-- he was still awesome.
   Terry Mullan was so good.  Whoever posted"THE GIRLS AND BOYS ARE DANCIN ON
THE FLOOR:.... I second that :)
   Mindrive was awesome as usual.  He is definitely one of my favorite DJs.
   I don't know if I'll be on the net much longer.  I think I'm skippin this
semester of school and moving to milwaukee to go to school there next semester. 
Green Bay bites.  But before I move I want to throw another party up here..
just for kicks. We'll see.
   Hope to see you all at Interstellar Outback :)  I finally got a ride with
the drop bass boys and company.  :D
   That's all.   
                        Kimm

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Since the Caravan-O-Luv has been killed b4 it even had a chance to breathe
its first breath, I thought I'd try to find people to travel with.  Melissa
and I will be driving her car (the purple/pink Geo of love) all by our
lonesome.  We'll be leaving Milwaukee early Friday morning and we'd love
(notice the over-abundance of the word love in this post; kind of like the
word fnord found netwide, but I digress ;-) to travel with people along the
way.  So, if we net.folk could set up a chain of vehicles picking each other
up as we all travel southward it would be such a blast to show up Friday night
in Kentucky with this l o n g train of loving (there it is again; is a
pattern developing here?  is there some inherent meaning in my simple query
for companionship?) ravers from the north traveling together.

I would think we'd be going through Chicago just before rush hour but we'd
be willing to slightly alter the windy-city ETA to link up with more
vehicles.  So, join the Love Train to Kentucky!

- stevenJ


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
						aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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From:	IN%"hae2@po.CWRU.Edu"  "Hossam A. El-Saie" 23-AUG-1994 01:09:33.45
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everyone...

i just wanted to let you know about a party thats happening this weekend
(aug 26, 27, 28) on a rural campground near lexington kentucky...its a
FREE *3 day* party thats expecting _5000_ kids (not a typo)...i know i
have hyped a lot of parties in the past, all of which i have thought to be
worthwhile efforts, but i really think this party has all the makings of
being something extraordinarily special...some of you mite have gone to
natural rhythm earlier this summer near baltimore and experienced the
beauty of raving outdoors especially as it spills over into the next
morning/afternoon...interstellar takes this idea to the limit...:)

as i was telling lonnie (from ultraworld) this past friday at rise...the
reason i feel this party is different than most of the other events i have
mentioned on the net and elsewhere is the buzz being generated about this
party is greater than anything else i have heard to date...ppl's thoughts
are along the lines of "i am going to have so much fun at this party,
because all of my friends are going to be there [when u are expecting 5000
kids, its a good chance you'l run into a lot of ppl you know ;) ] ...even
if the party is less than awesome [which it wont be] im still going to
have a good time because we are all going to get to hang out together..."
when u think about it, the ppl who u see at all the parties u go to, but
only for a few hrs at a time are all going to be there, and u have an
opportunity to actually *know* them...these longer events are what really
draw us closer together and strengthen our scene...this is why i think
interstellar mite just be the closest thing to woodstock that our (raver)
generation will experience...some of you mite be rolling your eyes at
this, but it is how *i* feel.

i've included below all the information i could gather about the
party...as you can see, there are tremendous djs from all across the
country, some of whom many of u havent heard before (lots of good mw
djs)...please make an effort to get out to this party, call your local
record/clothing/etc store to get more information...i've listed below the
main infoline for the party, also included is jj's (the guy throwing this
party) voice mail if u need to leave him a message or get more specific
info..but please be patient and understand all the stress he's going
through rite now...:)

speaking of stress, this party is really putting a tremendous strain on
jj's (and friends) resources...think about what it costs to throw a party
of this magnitude and **not charge anything**(as one of the flyers for
interstellar said "IT IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING FREE!")...one of the ways they
are trying to raise $$ for it is by putting out a cd compilation of tracks
by artists and djs that will be performing at interstellar, it is only $8
at the party (only 1000 cds available) so please show your support...

also, jj was asking earlier if anyone had frequent flier miles that they
would be willing to donate to help fly in some of the djs who are too far
away to be able to drive in...i dont know if he still needs this, but if u
can do this, call him and let him know....and of course, donations will be
greatly appreciated at the party itself...when its all over, look in your
pocket and give what u can...what u felt the party was worth to you...
thanks.


**something that mite interest some of you is the sound system set up for
newer djs...you are invited to bring your records and spin...its pretty
free-form, but theres a prize for the "weirdest spontaneous addition to
this vein" :) **


thats enuff from me... please read all the information below, and i hope
to see you there...:)


peace,
hossam


Friday-Sunday, August 26-28         Lexington, KY          606.281.4193






                         INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK


when you put your mind to it, you can get really wierd. when a few
thousand people put their minds to it, they can somehow all wind up
at...

INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK

a rural campground area near Lexington, Ky - August 26th-28th

a TOTALLY, UTTERLY FREE outdoor gathering of the technontological tribe

confirmed DJ's:
Spun (san francisco)
Josh Wink (philadelphia)
Soulslinger(liquid sky, nyc)
Nigel Richards (philly's 611 person)
dieselBoy (pittsburgh's phat boy/players club int'l)
Dave Hollands (damn, what did he want to becalled?)
Goodwill (delaware acid jazzman)
Mystic Bill (chicago funk boy)
(all those drop bass terror unit dj squad blokes)
Hyperactive (gosh golly)
ESP (of the Disco Family Planning unit)
Jethrox (shhhh! he danced to house all night at richie's party)
Jedediah  the Messiah (what a funny name)
MrBill (the milwaukee one)
Terry Mullan (proud to be from Chicago, now)
Jajo (just getting home from madrid with fresh, piping hot eurohouse)
Merlin (backwards aging wizard?)
Zaccheus (houston's broken god)
Astroboy (stlouis boy of the future)
Oddysey (tribal boy from PA)
Jace (from where?)
Stretch (st louey new kid)
Jearren (st louey newer kid)
Blazt (nyc vibal renegade)
Thome Tomato (arguably the most durable fruit on the planet)
AND MORE

***CALL THE INFO LINE FOR THE UPDATED DJ LINEUP***

LIVE PA's by:
Theory Collapse (columbus b2b techno)

1.8.7 (pittsburgh's murder hardcore)
V-ger (lexington's own force for exploration)
AND MORE

stupid circus-style attention getting attractions:
wading pools filled with jello (if we can find the pools and the jello)
16 1-foot long lizards to scare the hell out of trippers
newbie sound system with no dj schedule, bring ya rekkids.
whopping big prize for the wierdest spontaneous addition in this vein
and a hell of a lot more, from friday night to sunday night

info at 606.281.4193 & most nearby regional infolines.


"we're so crazy, we're giving it away."

"I'm prepared to sell whatever I
own to do this if I have to. Anyone willing to donate goods, money, or
just to help set stuff up will be greatly appreciated. contact jj at
either voicemail at the above number, voice at 606.253.1376, snailmail as
jj haws, 323 West Virginia B, lexington, ky, 40504, email at
<uk02657@mik.uky.edu> we will also need some way to get rid of 50,000
flyers. can you help?" -jj

_______________________________________________________________________________
                                                        INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK
                                                           THE CD COMPILATION

As the FREE party Interstellar Outback in Lexington, KY (August 26-28)
approaches I am glad to announce the availability of an important
fund-raiser for the event.

A limited edition of 1,000 Compact Discs have been pressed TO be sold with
all profits going to pay those nasty bills that are accumulating to
produce the Interstellar Outback party.

The CDs (73 minutes) will be sold for a limited time on the net for $10
plus $1 shipping and for $8 at the party (so it would actually save you
money to go and have a great time!!!). Hows that for advertising skill? :)

The CD includes a 4 color insert of the flyer and a WIDE variety of music
from those artist (both DJs and Bands) that will be attending the party.
All tracks were recorded digitally and they're Phat!  There is a great
representation of the RAVE scene here with everything from HardCore,
Jungle, Trance, House, Acid, and Ambient.  Do yourself a favor and those
who have worked to hard to produce all aspects of Interstellar Outback the
party and donated their time, money and music for the CD.  Check it out.

Thanks,
EllisD (ellisd@aol.com)
_______________________________________________________
                                              ARTIST & TRACK INFO

 1)  1.8.7  "JungleMan"  - 5.42
(from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

 2)  XTRA "Islam" - 4.08
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 3)  Theory Collapse "ELSD" - 5.36
(from Columbus, Ohio)

 4)  V-GER "In Flight" - 8.52
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 5)  Who Don It "Maelstrum" - 7.25
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

 6)  Mark Verbose "The Nation of Acid"  - 5.58
(from Milwaukee, Wisconsin)

 7)  Mystic Bill "The Sound Remains the Same" - 7.38
(from Chicago, Illinois)

 8)  Josh Wink "A Trip Back Home" - 11.08
(from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)

 9)  Induction "Telemetry" - 8.59
(from Houston, Texas)

10)  Prism "Dreamflight" - 7.26
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

Please NOTE:  This is available on Compact Disc ONLY and limited to 1,000.
If you cannot attend the party please include a Money Order or Cashiers
check for $11 and send a note with the number of disc requested to:

Interstellar Outback CD 11510 N. May Ave. #206 Oklahoma City, OK 73120

_______________________________________________________

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> 
> then sarah french said...
> 
> >this reason a number of little groups are not in scene anymore. (dfp, 
> >Yellow#five, Blacklist Underrground, and a few others.)  M.O.R.E. is 
> >becoming a superpower and is controlling the rave scene.  There hasn't 
> >been a rave or larger scale partty for about a month now and I believe 
> >they have a lot to do with this.
> >
> >my 2 sense
> >_____________________________ 
> >Sarah French                | 
> >fren0021@gold.tc.umn.edu    |
> >Gaurdian of the sacred lime |
> >-----------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> dfp ? disco family plan IS woody and sandra of M.O.R.E. i've known woody
> since rejoice last fall and he is one of the nicest people i know in the
> local scene. i seriously doubt this is true. like someone said before, GET
> YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU TALK BULLSHIT. if someone can personally
> attest to seeing/hearing woody telling sound companies not to work for other
> promoters then thats another story. but lets hear it from them, not someone
> who assumes it must be true just because no other large events happen in
> minneapolis. also, how about letting M.O.R.E. defend themselves ? if i can
> contact them i am going to send/read them this post. then i will post a
> followup response.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
>  *joe*
>                                   "IMAGINATION. Use it as a weapon."
>  jap2@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                                - Juno Reactor
> 
> 
Yes, I now realize that dfp is Woody and that was accidentally thrown in, 
BUT I talked to my friend the other day who throws some of the smaller 
rave parties that happen around spring and he said that m.o.r.e. did pull 
some crap on them such as messing with their flyers and other small 
things that can be provenly traced back to m.o.r.e.  I personally have 
nothing against ESP and I think he's the best man to hit the midwest rave 
scene, so don't get me involved with any of that bull.  One more thing, 
just because I thought there wasnt any raves this past month doesn't mean 
they actually are because of m.o.r.e. 
 
 
"Any group who is in it more for the money than the scene, should be 
watched."   Christian Alexander.

Sarah French
fren0021@gold.tc.umn.edu
 

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>We'll be leaving Milwaukee early Friday morning and we'd love
>I would think we'd be going through Chicago just before rush hour but we'd
>be willing to slightly alter the windy-city ETA to link up with more
>vehicles.  So, join the Love Train to Kentucky!

Nate and Adam and Jayvee and I will be leaving Chicago at noonish, so I guess
we can meet here. Skimmy and co. are leaving Purdue around noon, so we'd have
to go @90mph all the way for at least 3 hrs to catch up with them, but then
again skimmy is a girl and she will probably be late because of a make-up
flaw or something :) (can't wait for my slap!)
So yes let's work it out! the Milwaukee-Chicago-Lafayette-Indianapolis-??-Lex.
caravan!

bambi
nib@dlogics.com

ps: sorry for the bandwith for those who are not interested, would be hard to
do that via private e-mail.

AND SOMEBODY PICK UP TIGGER AND MR. JP OR I PEE ON THE FLOOR AND ROLL
MYSELF IN IT!


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Hey...
Just writing to say hello to the list once again.  My new e-mail account 
is activated and one can reach me at synergy@csd.uwm.edu.  I haven't been 
on for about two weeks so...could some kind sole forward me any posting 
of remarkable importance.  

Wicked Wicked Number Four...
The only real problems were the Racine gangster kiddies who we're the 
main source of alcohol and the main purveyors of an unpleasant vibe.  
Unfortunately, the power kept going out and the cops who decided that 
this party needed too be shut down.  I wasn't exactly happy with the heat 
either (but why sit around and bitch about it...just deal with it and 
have fun).  I didn't end up spinning and Terry Mullan showed up, said it 
"was hot and it was booty" so he left.  Take that for what it's worth.  

I couldn't justify going to Karsten...giving money to a promotion team 
who have said "drop bass is about hardcore" and not apart of "club music" 
and then throws a house party didn't stomach well with me.  It was a money 
maker by any sense of the word...the word I heard was that they needed 
300 people to break even.  DBN is in the money once again and has the 
rave crue to thank.  I'm not anti-DBN...just willing to say what I 
think.    

(I can't wait to see the responses I get from that one...If you don't 
think it's true, think about it)

Anyway...gotta jet...more later.

Brad-Synergy-Quadrasonic Massive
(Miller Lite DJ Squad and resident list asshole once again!)


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On Tue, 23 Aug 1994 17:19:50 -0500, 
Sarah French  <fren0021@gold.tc.umn.edu> wrote:

>Yes, I now realize that dfp is Woody and that was accidentally thrown in, 
>BUT I talked to my friend the other day who throws some of the smaller 
>rave parties that happen around spring and he said that m.o.r.e. did pull 
>some crap on them such as messing with their flyers and other small 
>things that can be provenly traced back to m.o.r.e.  


Well, I certainly would like to know what this "crap" actually was and how 
it can be traced back to Wody\MORE\etc.  I know you made it very clear that 
you personally have nothing against them Sarah, so don't take ANY of this 
as anything toward you.  

If your friend (whoever he\she is) would like to talk to Woody personally 
about it Woody has made it perfectly clear to me that he will.  

Unsubstantiated trash talking behind everyone's back does nothing but 
divide and kill any scene.  If he\she has a problem with MORE, here is 
his\her chance to voice it DIRECTLY to them.


    Kennen Sie eine Merle? Kennen Sie eine Merle?  Das ist gut...zu gut.

     Rob Williams</>INFIDELITY RECORDINGS</>fEEd</>Tribal Warning Shots
                           feed@maroon.tc.umn.edu

              gerade sie..sie ist mein Opfer. Schad um sie....
                sie wird's..ach, nicht lange durchhalten....

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		I'm starting to cry.......Please come and get me.....

		Tigger and I don't want to be stuck in Iowa listening
		to the corn grow........
		
		I'll give you candy........and hugs......
		

				MrJP


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Highway construction report at the end.  Might be worth saving.

Anyone wanna crash at my lovely apartment Thursday night?  And head down
Friday early afternoon?  (we'll probably be the first there  :)  Please RSVP.

And if you think you are coming a distance, I think I'm picking up a raver
from Los Angeles at the Cincy airport on my way down.  Now that's *HARDCORE*.

Bring plastic bags - dirty clothes, paper, trash, etc.  Don't wanna leave a
messy place.

Weather report from the weather server (madlab.sprl.umich.edu 3000):::

 EXTENDED FORECAST...
 FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY...DRY WITH MILD NIGHTS AND HOT DAYS THROUGH THE
PERIOD. NIGHTTIME LOWS IN THE 60S. DAYTIME HIGHS NEAR 90 EAST TO
THE LOWER 90S WEST.

Yes!  Bring water and such.  Suntan lotion, etc.


Cincy area traffic report::

I-74 from Indy -- This is one lane each way for about 10 miles or so between
     Indianapolis and I-275.

I-75 Construction around Lima Ohio; one way abotu 12 miles
     Construction around Dayton - not too bad
     Construction south of I-275 around the GE Aircraft Engine plant
          -could get bad in here; expect some delay
     Construction from around the Norwood Lateral (562) to just south of
        the intersection with I-74.  Expect a slight delay
     Construction in Northern KY - dunno about this.  Haven't been that way
        in a while; supposedly some barrels have been moved, but I doubt they
        all are gone.
     Construction about 20-40 miles north of Lexington - not bad at all
        last I checked.


Everyone have a safe drive.  Save this message.  I'll probably stick it on
the gopher menu's at Hyperreal, along with the cd information and the
instructions once they get posted.


Andrew    
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(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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Hey.. I am back.. just wanted to check in and say that I had an aweme
awesome summer.... only one rave -Destiny which was ok.. but oh well..
hope all is well on here as usual.. anyway..
I may be going to IO this weekendd.. anyone want to email me the lowdown 
on the situation?? thanks.. 
---Greg

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Just a quickie update...

I added an Interstellar menu on the gopher at hyperreal.com on the mw-raves
page.  Most of the stuff you've seen before on here, but just in case, you
know where it is.

It's also in /raves/mw/IO/  (IO is capitalized) in case you do ftp instead
of gopher.



Andrew
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Is there any new updates on the rave that was supposed to be happenin' at 
Perdue on Sept 10th, but was posponed.

Any info would be appreciated.

thanx

Sir K.

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   OK, here ends this little debate. (from my side at least) My friend which 
I will call bob for ease, has backed down from his "provable" statement.
Although he has had some outside sabotage, bob said that he truly cannot 
blame it on m.o.r.e. _but_ he did say that some kids wearing m.o.r.e. 
jackets were taking the flyers that he made out of some places.  Which 
might explain his hatred for m.o.r.e.  Bob apologizes, and respects ESP 
but just doesn't believe in m.o.r.e. trying to make the scene mor 
commercial... (which I kind of agreee with too)  I hope this settles some 
of the dust that was kicked up, and I also appologize.

Sarah French
fren0021@gold.tc.umn.edu
 

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hurm. well, this is the "OFFICIAL" trajcetory report, but here gose

site is the KINCAID LAKE STATE PARK CAMPGROUND near Falmouth, Ky

from Cinci -> route 27 to Falmouth, follow signs.
from Lex -> if on interstate, use exit 154 and follow signs.
		if not, get a map and go via Cynthiana.

basically, you want a map for this one if you aren't doing the xit
154 bit. but that involves 30 minutes of winding roads and brown signs
then again, the othre onse have fewer curves, but no signs.

full play by play directions wednesday night.
to be faxed a map, call the raveline at 606.281.4193 and leave #.
faxes will be sent wedsnesday night & thursday

INTERESTING FACTS:
swimming pools. boat rental, from paddle to motor.
showers. but no motels for 30 miles. eek! there was one, but 
it has been torn down since I visited Falmouth 3 months ago.
camping may cost money once our budget to pay for it runs out.
!!!
I know this isn't free, but due to the state park angle we
have to register all campers. this means we can't be thrown out,
but it also means their rates are:
no power, 1 tent, 2 people: $8.50 power - 10.50
BUT it's only $1 per xtra person per tent. to help stretch the
two grand we've thrown the group for camping, please put  


       




.ln;' 
/p,W ?>zxcv|0 

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the site is: (this is not the full, detailed file)
KINCAID LAKE STATE PARK CAMPGROUND


it is about an hour from both lexington and cinci, off to the east
take exit 154 off I75 and follow the signs.

there, now you know. Here are some interesting FACTS:
swimming pools (movie stars). boats from paddle to motor to rent
800 acres including a lake and a 15 mile hiking trail
it probably ain't gonna rain but it might be cool
campground is over a mile from the music. we will try to shuttle.
NO ALCOHOL, NO TANKS- any found will be thrown away or into the lake.
Park Rangers will be thre all the time helping to provide security
showers. but no motels for 30 miles. eek! there weas as one, but
it has been torn down since I visited fFalmouth 3 months ago.
camping may cost money once outr budget to pay for it runs out.
!!!
I know this isn't free, but you due to the state park angle we
have to register all campers. this means we can't be thrown out,
but it also means their rates atre:
no power, 1 tent, 2 peaoplople: $8.50 power - 10.50
BUT it's only $1 per xtra person pre teer tent. to help stretch the
two grand we've thrown the group for campoing, please
put lots of people per tent. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CAMP WITH A TENT!
we have put all our remaining cash to pay for early people's camping.
there will be an info booth and a 6 page pamphlet as you enter.

PLEASE RESPECT THE ENVIRONMENT, THE OTHER CAMPERS, AND THE RANGERS.
they are letting us do this at a GORGEEOUS site.
bring food and water and flashlights and bug stuff.
anyone want to donate extension cords?

that's enough for tonight. posted to mw & se raves.

peace- seeya soon. 

j2

"if I can get new shoes for interstellar, i'll meet the perfect girl!"

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>i don't suppose anyone is leaving friday afternoon and plans to be back
>sunday night that could possibly give me a ride to IO huh?  i have school:(
> this sux.

I'll need to be back on Monday morning as well; and it's not entirely clear
that the people that are driving me will be back by then.  If anyone is
willing to take my butt BACK to Milwaukee, let me know...



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  23    08/26 S  Lexington      INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK (3-day event)
  00    08/27 S  Minneapolis    INVISIBLE
  00    09/02 F  Detroit        HELMSMEN
  00    09/03 S  Detroit        DEPTH CHARGE 1
  00    09/03 S  Chicago        FAMILY GROOVE KITCHEN
  00    09/03 S  Denver         SPIRITUAL AWAKENING
  00    09/03 S  Pittsburgh     MORPH 1 (2-day event)
  00    09/10 S  Chicago        FANTASY ISLAND
  00    09/10 S  Chicago        PERCEPTION
  00    09/10 S  Dayton         VOODOO
  00    09/17 S  Chicago        BOOM
  00    09/17 S  Nashville      RELEASE
  00    10/01 S  Chicago        NATURE
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26-28 AUGUST Friday-Sunday    LEXINGTON           INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK 

those meddling kids, aided and abetted by jsquared, present

I N T E R S T E L L A R    O U T B A C K

a 3-day campout gathering of tweaked techno vibal tribe shindig wingding

August 26-28 1994  -  starts 6pm friday
                      ends ?? after sunday

pa's by:  1.8.7
          induction
          theory collapse
          v-ger

rotational groove technicians:  astroboy
(in alphabetical order)         billeebob
                                cosmic
                                dieselboy
                                efex
                                esp
                                goodwill
                                david hollands
                                mike huckaby
                                hyperactive
                                jace
                                jaerran
                                jajo
                                jethrox
                                jedediah
                                trevor lamont
                                merlin
                                mind drive
                                mr. bill (mil)
                                terry mullan
                                mystic bill
                                paris
                                nigel richards
                                spun
                                stretch
                                thome tomato
                                wink
                                zaccheus

(+ a few surprises)

government approved sound by Concert Productions
(recently seen amplifying the presidental inauguration)

tons of "smarter than the average bear" lights donated by:  maxximum
                                                            how cool

visual brain image transplantation by:  zero
                                  and:  terminal eye dee

we offer a pile of twelve techno tapes for the kookiest thng we see that
contributes to the vibe

second sound system with no dj schedule (bring ya rekkids) donated by the
illuminators

circle to drum in the dawn of every morning

look for the IO CD featuring artists who will be spinning

call the week of the event for information

615.780.3730  nashville
502.569.1969  louisville
414.777.3998  milwaukee
317.899.8100  muncie
606.253.1376  zurich
212.465.3299  nyc (satellite)

606.281.4193  bluegrass raveline

check infolines around your region

FREE - NO ADVANCE TICKETS WILL BE SOLD
       ABSOLUTELY NO GUEST LIST

MUSIC IS THE PERFECT EXPRESSION OF THE WILL OF THE WORLD
     in the modern world, there isn't a heck of a lot around that really
brings us together.  in the past the thing that usually gave people a sense
of unity was a commong enemy.  the gradual fading of that kind of thinking
is great, but what do we do to find some close-knit group or family we can
hang out with?  one thing people do find is an "underground" - some quirky
group brought together by some particular fetish, in this case, the fetish
is techno music, or the particular experience we find when there are
hundereds of people immersed in some really funky sounds.  the word vibe is
played out - but we still go looking for it; some of us drive hundereds of
miles for it so where is it?
     having exhausted all the geographical frontiers save that of leaving
the planet, it is time to put our house in order before checking out the
universe at large.  one of the most difficult frontiers to explore is the
second to last - the human mind.  it's all too easy in a world of
inexpensive basic comforts to settle down to a routine from which you never
wake up.  the path of least resistance, the damnedest difficult thing to
remember is to keep yourself awake, to act in the world rather than merely
react to it, anything which keeps us from being a pile of robots ins
welcome, but do these parties wake you up or sedate you?  in the best case,
weird things cause evolution - but sometimes just get you through the week.
     this is somehow one of the most important times in history.  not quite
interplanetary, but not that far off either.  we have the tools and the
organization to either screw up royally or bust out into the universe.
it's not like technology is the magic solution to all our problems, but
technology and a little crazy wisdom... maybe, with all this hoopla about
the slackers and hackers, it sounds like we collect the skills to make a
difference but never get around to it, like nothing motivates us.
(nationalism is a dying cause, albeit tough to kill.  religion never seems
to deliver, politics has become a science of media manipulation, but out of
touch enough to sound stupid.  idealism, hell, we all saw how the hippies
imploded into a carnival of materialism.)  so what is there to get us off
our collective butts?  how existentialist.  nothing, really - unless you
consider what happens if we don't.  but then if you look in the other
direction, towards the future, you can see things far more bizarre than any
science fiction.  and someone said, perhaps a small celebration is in
order...
     what we can accomplish and experience with our lives is vastly
determined by what we each see as our limitations.  but by and large these
are solid and difficult to change by the time one thinks about it.  one
sneaky tactic is the background of a peak experience, defying the
traditional layout of existence and then providing a trick - like suddenly
you're someplace you've never been, looking back at where you usually are.
it changes how you look at everyday life.  by experimenting with our
paradigms, we can change our own view of the world.  that half-full cup
thing, ya know?  well, maybe that's a little too much to expect from a
party, but what the hell.
     oh, yeal.  back to the party.  what we're doing here is an experiment
in the methodology of throing these shindigs.  here's an idea:  the
creativitiy of a core crew of forty people is tiny in comparison to that of
a couple thousand.  think about what you want to bring to this besides
tents.  strange art, textlike information viruses, or neat techy toys;
hell, surprise us.  there's a spectrum along which this 'movement' could
fall, ranging from a force for enlightenment to a pile of drug-crazed,
deluded hippies.  it's not like we're on some zany quest to save the
universe, or bring about higher awareness by bugging out to uplifting
music.  but then again, it's not just about the noise, it's what the
music's about.  some dead german philosopher named schopenhauer said that
music was the perfect expression of the will of the world; what a wacky
guy.  well, it does get us moving.
     the abstraction of techno allows us to invent our own inexpressible
significance to the sounds.  the oscillations to the time of the beat mean
whatever you want them to mean.  the rhythms of physics, the cyclical
nature of human expeirence, the wheel of karma, the shape of a cop's jelly
donut.  what you see in it, what you get out of it - that's up to you.
while you attend this crazy campout, we invite you to completely ignore all
of outside existence.  hang out with the family, do a little bit more than
go throught the motions.  devle a little.  relax, we'll be here a while.
camp out, dance a bit.  some people from far away are gonna spin a few
records... it'll be like a rave, only different.

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27 AUGUST Saturday            MINNEAPOLIS         INVISIBLE

Minneapolis M.O.R.E. Productions
present

I N V I S I B L E
 
August 27th, 1994

Dan Bell - Accelerate records Detroit
Adam X - Brooklyn Groove NYC
Derrick Carter - Organico Records, LaCucaracha Chicago
Mark Farina - having just returned from the harkiss worldwide tour
              Chicago
todd p. - Innovative Records Milwaukee
4d - labworks recording artist "live in effect"
     aka DJ ESP

Sound by 4d audio
lights by laserflux
chill room by pleasure

612.649.4902
612.649.4768

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02 SEPTEMBER Friday           DETROIT             HELMSMEN

Transmissions from DeepSPACE

Open A Channel
Open Your Mind

Fight the Gravitational Pull and Travel to Deep Space with
    H E L M S M E N

"Magic" Juan Atkins
Kevin "Master Reese" Saunderson
Eddie "Flashin'" Fowles
Derrick May

Date : 9-2-94
Time: 23rd hour - 6th hour
      11pm     to 6am

Coordinates:
The Packard Plant at E Grand Blvd and Mt. Elliot
(Use Entrance on Concord St)

Libations: Smart Drinks

DEEP SPACE RADIO FM 107.5 SATURDAYS 12mid - 4am

TRANSMITTING TRUTH TO THE NEXT MILLENIA

Tribe 9 / Sphere

DEEP SPACE Communications Info: 417-4770

Admission $7.00     $2.00 off with DEEP SPACE membership card

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03 SEPTEMBER Saturday         CHICAGO             DEPTH CHARGE 1

M*PYR brings you...

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 with DJ's:          Craig Bridgeforth
                     Michael Thornton

    dAmagE:          $5

    Starts:          11PM
      Ends:          Whenever you take your funky ass home.

Info lines:          313.923.2115
                     810.569.1011
                     trammell@eecs.umich.edu

     Where:          5137 Seyburn, Loft #302, DETROIT MICHIGAN.


How to get here:

             1)      From wherever you are, first get to I-94.  This may mean
                     taking I-75, I-80/90, I-96, I-275, the Lodge Fwy,
                     I-696, the Southfield Fwy, etc...a map of the East Side
                     of Detroit will help if you're having problems.

             2)      So take I-94 to Detroit.
                     Come off at the Van Dyke exit.
                     Make (left or right depending on your origin) turn onto
                        Van Dyke SOUTH.
                     Take Van Dyke several blocks to Gratiot.
                     Make RIGHT onto Gratiot SOUTH.
                     Go just past the Rally's on your left.
                     Make a LEFT onto Seyburn...it's the big converted
                        warehouse, Loft #302.

             *)      Call the info lines or EMAIL ME if you need help.
                     My address is trammell@eecs.umich.edu

If you want to experience some of the deepest, stickiest, bestest House and
Detroit Techno in existence, don't miss this event.  Craig and Mike understand
the fine points of ripping shit up.  Remember, dress to sweat and BYOD (bring
your own drinks).

Flyers for this and past events available in Postscript form from
ftp.eecs.umich.edu in directory /incoming.  They are:

        mpyr_1_front.ps.Z    <-- unavailable at this time but will return
        mpyr_1_back.ps.Z
        mpyr_2_front.ps.Z
        mpyr_2_back.ps.Z

A Postscript map is in the file:

        map_to_mpyr.ps.Z

THE FILES ARE INVISIBLE!  BUT THEY ARE THERE!

Use anonymous as your login.


M*PYR...*Moving That Ass For The Nine-Four*

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03 SEPTEMBER Saturday         CHICAGO             FAMILY GROOVE KITCHEN

saturday september 3rd, labor day weekend, chicago, usa
core innovations vs. ripe productions
"no matter who wins, chicago will always be on top!"

proudly present the biggest, boldest, baddest, loudest, fastest,
and last event of chicago's summer...

F A M I L Y   G R O O V E   K I T C H E N

core dj's:    DBX (DAN BEIL) - peace frog u.k, accelerate detroit
              TERRY MULLAN - chicago
              EFEX - chicago
              MYSTIC BILL - chicago

ripe dj's:    HRD CRU - toronto, canada
              MARCUS - toronto, canada
              M.C. E.Z. - toronto, canada
              MIKE HUCKABY - detroit

smartbar:     IMSMARTRU - kentucky
              LIQUIDNEOS - chicago
projections:  GORRILA FILM & VIDEO DRUGS

5 watt argon laser

meeting point day of event:  SOLE JUNKIES
                             3176 n. clark
                             call for directions

ripe / core / fresh jive / untitled

312.509.6453
312.604.1978 x117
414.548.1973
612.649.4768
317.895.4546
314.994.1114
313.730.2202
608.283.3357
        
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03 SEPTEMBER Saturday         DENVER              SPIRITUAL AWAKENING

  Julian of LIFEFORCE and Big Life Productions UK present:
 
             "Spiritual Awakening"
                   colorado
           Saturday, September 3rd and beyond...

           -the greatest earth on show

Taking you to Planet E: SUPERSTAR DJ KEOKI (Disco 2000/Limelight NYC)
Tribal Shaman:  DJ MOLIGLI (Dallas) Transcending
Local Healers:  LL BISHOP, HIPPIE (and more tba)

Mellow Mood Masters DUB LIFE "Live" spiritual space

In Denver: 303-575-1711
Colorado/Surrounding States:  303-575-1113  

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03-04 SEPTEMBER Sat-Sunday    PITTSBURGH          MORPH 1

                           M I L L E N N I U M
                                Presents
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               MMMM   MMMM    OO      RRRRR    PPPPP   HH  HH 
               MMMMM MMMMM  OO  OO    RR   R   PP  PP  HH  HH
               MMM  M  MMM    OO      RRRRR    PPPPP   HHHHHH
               MMM     MMM        1   RR  RR   PP      HH  HH
                                 111  RR   RR  PP      HH  HH
                                1 11                             
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                     21    HOURS    of   WICKED   FUN!
                            Saturday, September 3  
                        2pm-11am [or longer] Sunday 
                   at the Seven Springs Mountain Resort

On September 3, 1994, the Millennium Co-operation will unleash the largest 
MOST AMAZING EVENT YET IN THE TRI-STATE AREA! This event combines the talents
of over 200 plus person who have joined together to take reality to the 
highest level. The time has come to build your own world! Make it happen!

      All Biological and Extra-Terrestrial Lifeforms Welcome!
 
DJ's and Live PA's:
                         Controlled Weirdness  (London, UK)      
                         Hyperactive           (Chicago)
                         Jethrox               (Drop Bass Network, Milwaukee)
                         Jedediah the Messiah  (Drop Bass Network, Milwaukee)
                         Michael Meacham       (Washington, DC)
                         Dasez-Tempo           (New York City)
                         Scott Forbush         (Cleveland)
And the Pittsburgh Kru:
                         Deadly Buda        (Millenium Productions)  
                         dieselBoy          (Player's Club International)
                         Finger             (The Food Group) 
                         1.8.7              (LIVE PA ONCE AGAIN!)
                         Jedi Mindtrip      (Back Up from Baltimore)
                         Terry Kicks        (The Discoman you love)  
                         Dr. Seuss          (Back with the HAWDCOAH! in a Hat)
                         Vic Money          (Fun House Productions) 
                         +FX                (The Original Hardcore Rok-Bot) 
                         Side 2             (Back From Madison, WI) 
                         X-ON               (F.U.E.L Productions)
                         Soji-Fu            (The Original Bad Boy.)
                         Loonatik           (WRCT-FM, Intelligent Tekno!)
                         Bob Brown
                         Alan B
                         Nseri               
                           and more!
BANDS:
                         Kelly Affair
                         Mace
                         Hell Belly
                         Ton*a*Bricks
                         Holden Caufield
                         Madjackets
                         Blindsight
                         The African Drum Ensemble *live tribal drumming!*

What do you get when you combine Tribal, Trance, Progressive-Rock, Techno, 
Breakbeat, Funk, House, Hip Hop, Psychobilly, Hardcore, Trip Hop, Acieeeed,
Industrial, SKA, African, & Electro?

The Morph Beat!

FEATURING:

<For your eyes!>          

* The largest lighting/video setup in Pittsburgh ever: 
- 2 Liquid Cooled Argon Lasers by PAWN
- Multiple Video Projections by PAWN 
- 12 Intellabeams and other Intelligent Lighting by EYEGASM
* The Circus Apocalypse Sideshow
* Sculptures and Installations by some of Pittsburgh's Finest Artists
<For your ears!>

* The TURBO Sound System will be the largest system ever assembled in 
Pittsburgh thus far. (stay tuned for total wattage) 
* Multiple Sound stages

<For your amusement!>

* Zamecnik Animations
* Snake Dancing
* Alpine Slide
* Facepainting

<For your comfort>

* Nearby Camping
* Food
* Friendly Vendors

<For your convienence>

* Mayflower Shuttle Buses will run from the Beehive in Oakland (3807 Forbes
 Ave) to Seven Springs every hour and a half Saturday and return Sunday
 Morning. Bus tickets are $8.00 and are available at all Pittsburgh ticket
 locations.

* Out of Town bus trips - call the Millennium Infoline for details in your
Area. 

In addition, The Food Group will also be doing an Afterparty at 
Cloud 9 in the Strip District. 
Call 412.281.8277 (Cloud 9)
or   412.734.8458 (Food Group Infoline)
(Those Organisms 21 Earth years or older with proper ID may be served until
2am Sunday)

                 FLYER BY Under Design 215.233.9777)

For Morph 1 UPDATES call the Millennium Infoline @ 412.734.5549

TICKETS: $15 in Advance
         $20 Day Of...
Available in:
Pittsburgh - Oakland                           Cleveland 
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------                                 
Collectors 12"             (412)682-4033       Deep Records     (216)382-3101
Teleropa                        621-2144       Datatrax Records      255-7767
AZIS                            683-8593       

Pittsburgh - Southside                         Philadelphia      
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Slacker                         381-3911       611 Records      (215)413-9100
Revolutions                     488-6227        
Glenn's Toy Box                 381-2116

Pittsburgh - Seven Springs                     Harrisburg
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Pittsburgh Pro Bike Shop   (814)352-7777       Checkered Past    (717)561-8898
                                ext.7705

Columbus                                       Baltimore
----------------------------------------       -------------------------------  
World                      (614)297-7900       Modern Music      (410)523-1882


Albany                                         Toronto
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Music Shack                (518)436-4581       X-Static          (416)362-5502


New York City
----------------------------------------        
Groove Records             (718)714-5232


For additional ticket outlets or to help out or need flyers leave your name
and number on the Millenium line and someone will get back to you.

MORPH 1 HAS BEEN MOVED TO A NEW LOCATION!  It is:
the Fayette County Fairgrounds. New Directions- >From Pittsburgh,
Cleveland, Cinncinatti, Columbus, Get on Pa Turnpike going East until you
get to Exit 8 (New Stanton), from the exit, take route 119 South until you
reach the Fairgrounds (You'll be driving on 119S for about 15 Minutes).
       >From Harrisburg, Washington DC, Baltimore, New York, Philadelphia,
get on the Pa Turnpike going West, get off at exit 8
(New Stanton), and then take 119 South until you reach the Fairgrounds
(You'll be driving on 119S for about 15 minutes).

Q. Why the change?
A. Seven Springs, after accepting our deposit, decided that Morph 1 did
not fit their family image. Thus, We have started legal proceedings
against them. 
Q.Well, what is the new space like?
A. It's actually better. We now have A covered Ampitheatre, and 2 large
enclosed buildings. Each building is can hold about 700-800 people, so I
think we may have one of the larger chill-rooms to date. There is no fear
of rain anymore, and there's alot of wide open space to roam around. All 3
structures are pretty good acoustically, also.
Q. Is there camping?
A.Like I said, there is alot of room here.
Q.Are there still Bus shuttles from the Beehive?
A.Yes.
Q. Is all the talent confirmed?
A. Yes. BUT, Dasez Tempo needs a ride from NYC still, as a matter of fact,
my lawyer said that he would come if he could get a lift also.
Q.What about the Alpine Slide? 
A.It has slid into oblivion.
Q. When are tickets up for sale?
A. Tickets are out in Pittsburgh now, and all other cities should be
getting theirs by Thursday. Get your tickets early!!! We want to keep
adding more stuff!!!

All times are the same. We are thinking of adding some new stuff not on
the flyer, such as living theatre, and some other suprises.

Peace Out-Buda.

P.S. It's a little difficult for me to check my mail often, so, if you
write, please give me a little time to get back to you.
      
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10 SEPTEMBER Saturday         CHICAGO             PERCEPTION

P E R C E P T I O N

saturday september 10th, chicago usa

detroit selectors:  KENNY LARKIN - warp records u.k, +8 records
                    ERIK BONE - utensil records

chicago selectors:  ROBERT ARMANI - d-jax holland, dancemania chicago
                    MYSTIC BILL - physics, kind family, h.p. society
                    DJ TRAXX - underground construction
                    DAVEY DAVE - h.p. society

second room of ambient and club:  ATMOSPHERIC AUDIO CHAIR

pre-invitation / 24-hour info:  312.604.1978
stay tuned...

physics / vibe alive / djax records / h.p.s. international

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10 SEPTEMBER Saturday         DAYTON              VOODOO

                           V O O D O O
                          Sept. 10, 1994
                           Dayton, Ohio

         Live performance by Nova Mute, +8 Recording Artist
                      V A P O U R  S P A C E

                        From New York City
                      J O E Y  B E L T R A M

   From Detroit, courtesy of +8, Definitive and Stickman Records,
                     J O H N  A Q U A V I V A

                    From SanFrancisco / Chicago
                       M A R K  F A R I N A

                             Plus DJ's
                     JIMI            ANDROMEDA
                     FULLBRAIN        TITONTON
                     the ELE MENTAL COLLECTIVE

                         513 - 496 - 1071
                         
                         illuminatorIV

email!
kourosh (stu1008@discover.wright.edu)
jim (ad425@dayton.wright.edu)

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17 SEPTEMBER Saturday         CHICAGO             BOOM

saturday 17 sept. 1994

jungle ting
proudly presents
the original

B O O M

from suburban base records, uk
sonz of a loop da loop era

DANNY BREAKS - "droppin' science"
DJ AK1200 - "wide"

stateside selectors:           SNUGGLES
                               RP SMACK

holdin' it down on the m-i-c:  BLACKEYE
                               JJ JELLYBEAN

keeping it groovin':           TERRY MULLAN
                               MILES MAEDA

hold tight for the flyer with the complete info.  rollin'...

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17 SEPTEMBER Saturday         NASHVILLE           RELEASE

7 p.m. to 6 a.m. 
exact location t.b.a.

scott henry             baltimore, d.c. 
terry mullan            chicago
astroboy                st. louis
chip b.                 nashville
jon blazt               louisville
jace                    lexington

info/directions:        615.780.3730

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01 OCTOBER Saturday           CHICAGO             NATURE

>>> NATURE <<<<

Derrick May
On-E (Deee-Lite, NYC)
Terry Mullan 
O'Keef (Phili's Special K)
Robert Armani
Hyperactive
Traxx (Chicago)

and many other special guests

312.851.5434
312.202.5597

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On Aug 23, 19:39, Nicolas Bamberski wrote:
> 
> AND SOMEBODY PICK UP TIGGER AND MR. JP OR I PEE ON THE FLOOR AND ROLL
> MYSELF IN IT!
> 

Please please please do it.  We have to ride all the way to Lexington
with this schmoe *pee-yew*! ;-)  Plus!  This party without the
bee-yoo-tee-full vibe Tigg & JP provide will only be half as good.
(Still fantastic, but.........)  Maybe you guys can take a train or a
bus or something to meet up with a ride?  Who knows <shrug>.  Please
keep the Iowa contingent alive.  Unit-E!

peaceout
	nate



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SIR K:
i'm not the best source of info and i should let the master take care
of giving you the details on teh PURDUE event, but it _IS_ postponed
until october 29th---a good and wicked time o the year.  will we see 
you there?  there are lotso cool people to shack with....we are a 
friendly bunch.  anyone is welcome at purdue.  YOU ALL ARE IN GOOD
HANDS WITH US LAFAYETTERS.
:)

as for the caravan to interstellar!!! 
BAMBI!  i'll have you know i do NOT wear make-up that takes 2hrs to put
on....:)  *batting her eyes*
we are leaving (two little red, *yellow, different*, cars--a crx and a
metro, packed full and ready to camp and jam) from purdue around 3pm.
let's set the rendezvous at 3:30pm at the exit off of 65S marked by
state road 52.  so, there is a cheap, but good gas station called
SPEEDWAY (only in indiana) off this exit.  we will meet then at 3:30.
keep up with the email to make sure this is okay for all parties in
volved....THIS MAY BE CHANGED.

as for interstellar in general---let's keep a conscious effort to keep
the area clean.  bring your trash bags (i've got 100 recycled plastic 
ones) and stuff that won't be easy to drop and make a mess out of the 
remains.  i suggest a box of baby wipes to help keep clean.  bug 
spray, i think, is also something that might come in handy. i'm not
a pro camper--we are equipped with eagle scouts, however, and i'm sure
they will assist us nieve ones.  :)

eager to meet you all -- excited to dance -- jumping at every hour 
just because i'm super excited for this event.  peace over and out.
drive very carefully and THINK consciously, please.  :)
-- 
**** "you shine brightly in my eyes..." ****                    ---cub
sara kim
skimmy@expert.cc.purdue.edu

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Hey All,

I was wondering if a meeting place type thing was ever decided on for  
the net ravers.  I would like to meet you all at IO (since I missed  
everybody at spastik) if at all possible.

I guess I'll just walk around with my Mrs. Butterworth's in the  
morning saying "pancakes? where are the pancakes!?' :)

Anyway,  I have a big boof of curly red hair, am about 6ft tall, and  
have no idea what I will be wearing.

Oh also by the way,  the nights here have been kind of chilly ~60  
degrees and the days hot (in the upper 80's to 90's for the weekend)  
so keep that in mind.

Hope to see you all there

*~cosmic~~~

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In a technologically-induced stupor, Jim Owens flatly stated...
::
::I was wondering if a meeting place type thing was ever decided on for  
::the net ravers.  I would like to meet you all at IO (since I missed  
::everybody at spastik) if at all possible.

Last I saw on this list someone was planning on setting up an area
designated for net.raver use.  I don't know if it was decided how this would
work but that SOMEthing will be there; a sign, a rope, a big computer
terminal looking thingy...   ;-)

::I guess I'll just walk around with my Mrs. Butterworth's in the  
::morning saying "pancakes? where are the pancakes!?' :)

Ok, and I'll have my box of healthy pancake batter with me, as well.  Is
anyone bringing along milk and eggs?  


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>Ok, and I'll have my box of healthy pancake batter with me, as well.  Is
>anyone bringing along milk and eggs?  

I'll bring the COW!
I'm not kidding, just wait and see :)

Bambi
nib@dlogics.com

(and no, I'm not talking about Nate :)

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In a technologically-induced stupor, Nicolas Bamberski flatly stated...
::
::I'll bring the COW!
::I'm not kidding, just wait and see :)

Is this any reference to the cow that destroyed Chicago with fire a long,
long time ago?   ;-)


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Well.....

At first I was gonna go to SF this weekend,

But IO sounds soooo fun I delayed it a bit
sos I can go ;)

I erased the pancake/smores message though,
so can someone tell me (and everyone, probobly)
where, when and with what?

See everyone there :*)

peace

ron


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Someone will need to bring along milk and eggs to mix the batter.  Unless i
can find some sort of batter that doesn't need these ingredients, it'll be a
must have thing.  


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skimmy wrote:
> as for the caravan to interstellar!!! 
> BAMBI!  i'll have you know i do NOT wear make-up that takes 2hrs to put
> on....:)  *batting her eyes*
> we are leaving (two little red, *yellow, different*, cars--a crx and a
> metro, packed full and ready to camp and jam) from purdue around 3pm.
> let's set the rendezvous at 3:30pm at the exit off of 65S marked by
> state road 52.  so, there is a cheap, but good gas station called
> SPEEDWAY (only in indiana) off this exit.  we will meet then at 3:30.
> keep up with the email to make sure this is okay for all parties in
> volved....THIS MAY BE CHANGED.

Umm... this exit is the SR26 exit.  There is no US52 exit.  
It's the middle of the three exits for lafayette.  The
speedway is right off the freeway.  You can't miss it.

If you plan to caravan with us, please send email to
skimmy@expert.cc.purdue.edu.  If we don't hear from you, you
will be left behind!!

-Sho
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<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.

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>Ok, and I'll have my box of healthy pancake batter with me, as well.   
>Is anyone bringing along milk and eggs?  


I think there are pancake mixes that can be made just with water, so  
I will look for some of those and try to bring them.

By the way,  are all net ravers planning on camping out?

just curious.

*~cosmic~~~

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> By the way,  are all net ravers planning on camping out?
> 
> just curious.
> 
> *~cosmic~~~
> 

How many choices do we have?  Camp out, or drive an RV...



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i found it!  i found it!!
gee, maps are actually good for something.  :)

well, i looked on the map, and i saw where kincaid st. park is, and
now i am REALLY, REALLY excited, so...

ok, skimmy and chuck have both informed me that the caravan is coming
down to me, so what i need to know is who i am giving directions to,
and what time this is gonna begin, because i am hearing different
things from different ppl.  and remembering that indy time is an hour 
behind cincy time, i need to know when you guys think you'll be in
cincy, so someone email me or call me with that info, because as i've
said before, my email is not very reliable right now, so...

wow!  this is gonna be sooooo... much fun!

-becca  @  513-851-5023

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Becca Maslow
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little elf :)

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>How many choices do we have?  Camp out, or drive an RV...

Well one could stay in a mo/hotel if they were a real dweebie :)

*~cosmic~~~

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I know there is pancake mix that just takes water.  I would bring some,
but unless someone is going from the Syracuse area, and returning before
9AM  Sunday (I have to work) I will, unfortunately, not be able to go to
I.O. (the milk and egg mix is better though, and you probably need some
butter or oil (and PANS!) to cook it with.)  
I assume firewood would be gatherable, but I've never been to KY.
-Lon, Lon, the "breakfast nut" one.


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>things from different ppl.  and remembering that indy time is an hour 
>behind cincy time, i need to know when you guys think you'll be in

Holly Shit!
Rebecca you are a genius!
we hadn't considered this difference of time, now is Chicago time an hour
behind Indy time or is it the same? looks like Indy is kinda at the border.
Where do I reset my watch? can I do that while driving?

bambi
nib@dlogics.com

ps: until somebody tells me I'm wrong, I'll consider that Chicago and Lafayette
and Indianapolis (and Milwaukee) all have the same time


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>Well one could stay in a mo/hotel if they were a real dweebie :)
>*~cosmic~~~

one would have to build one though :)

bambi

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> >things from different ppl.  and remembering that indy time is an hour 
> >behind cincy time, i need to know when you guys think you'll be in
> we hadn't considered this difference of time, now is Chicago time an hour
> behind Indy time or is it the same? looks like Indy is kinda at the border.
> Where do I reset my watch? can I do that while driving?
> ps: until somebody tells me I'm wrong, I'll consider that Chicago and Lafayette
> and Indianapolis (and Milwaukee) all have the same time

You are correct in your assumption.  Indianpolis, Chicago, Milwaukee and 
Lafayette are currently on the same time.  Cincinatti is one hour ahead.  
This will change in OCtober though.  Most of Indiana does NOT change 
time.  After that Indiana will be the same as OH.  Frequent commuting 
burns this into you.  Now where did I leave that 30" BASS cabinet?

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From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Aug 24 21:48:37 1994
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i need someone to tell me everything they can about the rave on
9/2 called helmsman in detroit.  everything.  even write in private
about personal opinions and whatever.  i was thinkin about headin there 
after i get outta the nin concert that night.  

thanks in advance
bridget
97palmer@alma.edu


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Could someone remove me from this list please!
I've sent notices for the past few days to the
listserv@csd.uwm.edu but it doesn't seem to do
anything.  I'm going on vacation for the next two
weeks and I'll resub when I get back in town.

Much love,

yippi
Brian
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alright....
Murphy's Law is flawed; it doesn't take into consideration the concept of 
HUMAN KINDNESS.....

electric koolaide of St. Louis has offered JP and I (tigger) a ride...I am 
stoked, so I might JUST be in the muthafukkin' haus this weekend (I pray to 
god I am...)

the bad news is, I haven't had time to plan the Smorestravaganza, and I 
haven't heard from Ramylson, so if I do ens up making it...I'm going to have 
to cancel the smores event...I'm sorry :(

but considering I'm not even sure if I am there yet....



				Tigger

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>
>>How many choices do we have?  Camp out, or drive an RV...
>
>Well one could stay in a mo/hotel if they were a real dweebie :)
>
>*~cosmic~~~
>
there are no hotels for 30 miles. however, it would be possible for someone
to only come for one night and go home. but no one in thier right mind would
do that. :)

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>
>>things from different ppl.  and remembering that indy time is an hour 
>>behind cincy time, i need to know when you guys think you'll be in
>
>Holly Shit!
>Rebecca you are a genius!
>we hadn't considered this difference of time, now is Chicago time an hour
>behind Indy time or is it the same? looks like Indy is kinda at the border.
>Where do I reset my watch? can I do that while driving?
>
>bambi
>nib@dlogics.com
>
>ps: until somebody tells me I'm wrong, I'll consider that Chicago and Lafayette
>and Indianapolis (and Milwaukee) all have the same time
>
>
milwaukee and chicago are an hour earlier than indy and lexington.

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Whoops....my "solid" ride canceled out...Now I have two Coleman stoves 
and a gumption to make pancakes but no local ride yet. I'm going to talk 
to a bro of mine who just got into town today and see if he's hip to 
going...otherwise i'll be posting a ride grovel here later tonight. 

jeez...wouldn't ya know it...a billion problems and school started today 
too! =( 

jen....lost your email address...mail me so we can talk shop about these 
damn pancakes!!!

wally

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does anybody know if the entrance gates are gonna be 
open all night friday? the person i'm riding with
has to work until 6 on that day, so with the drive from
detroit we prob'ly won't be there till midnight or so.. will
we still be able to get in?   

aNdy                                              spEcK:seLEcKt
ndc@engin.umich.edu                            hoUSe oV pHraMes

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> Someone will need to bring along milk and eggs to mix the batter.  Unless i
> can find some sort of batter that doesn't need these ingredients, it'll be a
> must have thing.  

you can just use water!!!!:)

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On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Arnold M. Maslow wrote:

> man, that is no fair!
> we don't have half as many net ravers in cincy as they do in indy.
> the most fun we have is andrew bennett, whoop-di-do.
> (just kidding andrew, don't hit me :)

Well becca.... we are getting a pretty good size net raver group here in 
Lafayette/WEst Lafayette =) =)  
And Andrew is fun!!!  =) =)
jen (lollipop-Demongirl)
> 

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Hello Everyone!!!

Well, I'm back on the list, once again.  Swell, aint it?  Did you all
miss me, NOT!  Enough with the sarcasm.  So did I miss anything of great
proportion?

Anyway, I'm back at my university (which is Bowling Green State
University) until ONLY December 17, 1994.  Which then on that date I will
graduate from this place and will hopefully no longer have to return.  I
will then return to Cleveland-area.  Yeah!!!

Hey...who's going to that rave thing in Kentucky?  I've probably missed a
bunch of discussion on it....sorry if I make anyone repeat themselves.  I
just got my access back to my internet account at school, so could in NO
way return to the list any sooner.  The reason I ask is that there is
about a 66% chance I'll be there too!  A few people and I are thinking
about going and just a few details have to be worked out only.  It looks
pretty good.  I would love to meet some more of you people from mw-raves
this weekend if you'll be there.  Please let me know!

Also, I just found out about some smaller rave party supposedly going on
in the Toledo, Ohio area going on the Saturday of Labor Day Weekend. 
When I find more out I'll pass it on.  One of my friends from BGSU, Eric
Hall, will be DJ-ing at it so I'm sure I'll be there on Labor Day weekend.

Hope to hear from you all very soon!!!

from ya friend...

Chuckie!....( I'm baaaaacccckkk!!!)
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> we can meet here. Skimmy and co. are leaving Purdue around noon, so we'd have

Purdue and company are not leaving at noon..... we are leaving at 2pm.... 
I repeat...2pm!!!  if ya want to hook up with us to drive, call chuck or 
myself at (317) 743-3483... I think everyone is meeting at our place!!!
Jen (lollipop-Ddemongirl)
> 

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On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, William K. Baran wrote:

> Is there any new updates on the rave that was supposed to be happenin' at 
> Perdue on Sept 10th, but was posponed.
> 
> Any info would be appreciated.
> 
Yes.... They have postponed the event..... I'm not sure of the 
inforrmation currently.... It will be posted as soon as more is known!  
*hugs*
jen (lollipop-demongirl)

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SARA!!!! you are AWESOME!!!!!!!
Jen (lollipop-demongirl)


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I.O. PANCAKE.......
Update.....  The pancake breakfast on Saturday morning whould be a big 
success!!!!!!!  I have had many responses!!!  YAY!!!  Anyone who wisheds 
to bring anything, we could use pancake mix, syrup, margarine/butter, 
plates/forks, skillets, stoves, spatulas.... etc....  
I want to thank anyone who has offered to help or bring stuff!!!
Also, since the resdponse has been soooo great, I'm sure help making the 
pancakes would be greatly appreciated!!!!  
I am coming with the purdue/indy/cincy kids (don't forget the el paso 
straggler and the milwaukee/chicago kids who will be joining us!!!)
Can't wait til I.O!!!
JEN (lollipop-Demongirl)


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>Whoops....my "solid" ride canceled out...Now I have two Coleman >stoves 
>and a gumption to make pancakes but no local ride yet.

You better make it!!!! I've got 10 lbs of batter mix and a gallon of syrup,
but no stoves!!!

chris anode


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I definitely want to meet up with everyone...

I've got 10 lbs. of pancake batter (just add water, no milk or eggs), and a
gallon of ms. butterworth's, plus my pan and spatula... all I need is a stove
(I may yet be able to get one to bring with me).

The box says the 10 lb bag will make 220 pancankes   ;9

Please, please find me or let me find you guys once we all get there... I
should be rollin' in around 11pm Friday nite, with the crew from Nashville...

I'll probably be wearing my scrambled eggs shirt that JJ made for me, or some
wack adidas jersey... or who knows, maybe I'll make a "PANCAKER" sticker to
wear on my back...

anyway, let's meet up and feast saturday morn...

chris anode
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Jen, Sara is more than awsome.......


SHES SOOPER DOOPER RAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-peace and hugs to Sara-
*spacElinus*

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WOW....WOW.....WOW !!!!!!
all summer we've been talkin about this silly little
event at the end of the summer........
AND ITS IN 2 (count em) 2 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
I cant wait to see everyone!!!!!
bare with me, i'm gonna have this really strange
urge to touch and hug everybody.......heheeeeeE!
I cant wait! music, friends, lakes, wierdos, pancakes.....
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BIG, PHAT, MAD props to jsquared!!!!!!
Remember! bring trash bags and be friendly to tha site!
It is soooo rad that we are havin this GIVEN to us,
So lets show how much it means to us!!!
well, see ya there!!!!!
-peace and big, long, cuddly, "OH you feel sooooo good" E hugs-
*spacElinus*
"let me show u luv!"

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interstellar TRAJECTORY information:

DIRECTIONS: get to I-75 at LEXINGTON OR CINCINNATI. If you are in  
Louisville, go via Lexington, it's slightly faster. Remember the  
existence of AAA triptiks, they rock and get you lots of free maps  
that go all the way to the site.
GO TO EXIT 154 (OWENTON/ WILLIAMSTOWN) and head towards Williamstown.  
>From this point on, you will see brown signs which point to KINCAID  
LAKE STATE PARK. Follow them over winding roads for 20 miles. Here  
are specific landmarks with road numbers and signs: quickly the orad  
will hit a T intersection. Turn left (North) on 25. You will see a  
RED CARPET INN on the left. this is a motel. Seek out at turn right  
(East) on 22. Follow signs for Falmouth and Kincaid Lake. Enjoy the  
roads and be careful of their winding qualities. At the intersection  
of 17 and 22, turn right- that is, stay on East 22. Suddenly you will  
see civilization. This is Falmouth. Go over the bridge and take the  
first left, just before Hardees. Follow the signs for the park  
through town. At the second light, turn left. At the stop sign, turn  
right. Go over the bridge and turn left on 159. Drive 3-4 miles and  
turn right at the huge KINCAID LAKE STATE PARK sign.

GEOGRAPHICAL INFO: the site shows up on a map of Kentucky. It is east  
of exit 154 on Interstate 75 between Lexington and Cincinnati. It is  
approximately ONE HOUR from each city. your actual mileage may vary.  
there are signs from exit 154 all the way to the site. 


WHEN YOU REACH THE SITE: please check in at the information booth. we  
will have pamphlets for all participants in this happy adventure. be  
warned that the camping is over a mile from the music... we may ask  
people to run informal shuttle back and forth. all campers must  
register with the site. primitive campers should try to dominate the  
north end of the campground (turn right at the first fork) and that  
way we can have an area of concentration.

PLEASE BE PREPARED TO RESPECT THE ENVIRONMENT, OTHER CAMPERS, AND THE  
PARK RANGERS. The staff of the park is being as cool as the law  
allows. Let's return the favor. 


Camping with a tent will cost money. We will subsize those we can.  
You do not have to camp to attend. We are sorry, but this has  
advantages. 


you do not have to camp to attend ** j2 wears size 9 shoes.
gates will be open all night  ** get your info packet !!!!
the nearest motels are 30 minutes: cynthiana, covington, or  
williamstown **  there are showers, but there may be lines.
the people in the small towns seem to be really, really nice. let's  
shock 'em, but by being cool to them, not snooty.

please gather many people for each tent as we have subsidized the  
camping but the rates are structured thusly: 8.50 = 2 persons/tent,  
no power. 10.50 = 2 persons/tent with power - BUT each extra person  
per tent is only ONE BUCK. Please help us stretch everyone's  
$moneyevil$. subsidizing will occur for the saturday's fees, so  
please be prepared to pay if you are arriving on friday, or we've run  
out of $evil$ saturday. Our profusest, sincerest,  
damn-we-really-mean-it apologies.

BRING: food, water, drinks, coolers, ice, flashlights, swimgear, bug  
stuff, sun goop, vibe, hiking boots, extra socks, sleeping bags,  
tents, grills to cook, things to give away, blankets to sit on,  
garbage bags. bring some $money, there are going to be a LOT of cool  
vendors with neato stuff. remember that we are gonna be a fair way  
from civilization, 4 winding miles from the nearest small town. BRING  
THE CORRECT TECHNOLOGY. 


ANY QUESTIONS? GO TO THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE COMMAND TENT.
NET RAVERS SHOULD PUT UP A TENT IN THE CAMPING AREA & LABEL IT!
    H A P P Y   M O T O R I N G !!!!

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I would just like to announce that 


	E L E C T R I C    K O O L A I D E

			is the most rockenest person in the galaxy...


	not ONLY is she picking my sorry no ride havin' ass up from bumblefuck
	Iowa, she is coming UP from St. Louis to do it.  This woman is the shit.


	EVERYONE give this phunky phresh woman one HELL of a big hug...
			She is _SO_ RAD!!!



	I'll see ya'll at the event....



				Tigger

	(oh yeah, Linus....once again I have pulled another massive
	 transglobal travel adventure OUT OF MY ASS!!!!!)

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	dear folx,

OK, someone is going to work for me on Saturday, and that means I AM 
GOING TO IO!!!!!! :)!!!!!!!!!!
I just got done reading my 36 new messages of the day, most of them 
regarding IO, and I am getting so psyched, excited, stoked, etc, that it 
is not even funny.  
	Kyle, isecond your announcment about hugs! Tigger, I hope I see 
ya!  WOOWOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	*looking forward to meeting many new people* and what not 

LOve, 
ADam/Atom

"Say what you mean, and say it mean..." JG Thirwell




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> Jen, Sara is more than awsome.......
> SHES SOOPER DOOPER RAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                     ^^^
please be patient!  He REALLY is trying to come out of the 80s.  HEY 
SPACEY!  TAke those parachute pants off now! <GGGGGGGGGGG>

Later,
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Seesh.  This listserv is gonna bust with all this traffic.

The weather looks like it will hold up.  Aka, hot and sunny.  Cincinnati is
supposed to have some showers 'to the north' on Saturday, and rain on Sunday,
but Lexington is clear.  But given the chance for freak thunderstorms in this
region, be prepared to possibly get wet.

Anode's soopa pancake bash looks like it'll have my attendance if I can
find him.  :)

I think the roped-off net raver area isn't a possibility.  I imagine that
this campground is made up of a bunch of small campsites.  I could be wrong
though, but with a State Park, that's what I imagine.  This Kincaid State
Park doesn't have an entry in my 1994 KY/TN AAA Tourbook.  Hmmm...

The gopher site is up to date with directions and such, if anyone is
looking or needs to point a friend.

I hope that everyone plays it smart there, and no problems and such.  
*crosses fingers*  I think we all owe JJ big time for this thing he's
doing.  give him a hug if you see him.


Andrew
-- 

(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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Following is a slightly dated message.  Forgive, but I finally have the bugs
out of my newbie system.

Hello Net-RaveTribe.  I've taken it upon myself to spread the wealth of
high tech party info to a few contacts on Prodigy (as in *P, which has
nothing to do with breakbeats).  However, many of these datapals are quite
mobile, and are now bugging me for news on raves outside the glorious
homegrown bounds of the mw-.  I have heard that there exists an ne-raves,
and also one for the uk.  Are there others?  Can someone help with subs
info for a San Francisco list?  Please post any and all!

Great to see so many travellers made the hike to SPASTIK!  From the looks
of things, you thought the <trip> was well worth it.  'monback to Detroit
anytime.  It's more fun dancing with strangers. =>  Nice especially to meet
the guys from Milwaukee.  Any tips on free access are welcome.  I'm kinda
sick of paying monthly ransom just for a friendly interface...

Labor Day at Indiana Dunes is becoming a probability for me.  Anything in
Chicago, Gary or Michigan City that weekend that I should know about?

>---------------Therefore, I.M.---------------<
"Pulsora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis..."
WJSD40A@prodigy.com (ugh)
IMalbon@aol.com (better)
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Hey folx this is getting TOO exciting about IO!! Anyway, I am Mark or
t or t-man or Cathead, and I can't wait to meet many of you,
especially you indianers I haven't met yet and missed at the pizza
shindig in indy.

BRING INSECT REPELLENT, preferably cintronella candles and other
non-nasty things. Off!

Please come say HI and *hug* to me, I'll be wearing a big HAT with
CATs all over it, thus maybe my new nickname Cathead! Also, ask me for
one of my tapes I'm giving out for free, by my experimental sound
group CATHODE CATHOUSE, it's a weird little tape. So ask for me by
name, Cathead or Cathat. I also have little round glasses.

If anybody from the bloomington area needs a ride around 3/4/5 friday
afternoon, let me know! ALSO, if anyone needs a ride back up to
louisville or columbus or bloomington or wherever Sunday, track me
down and we can work something out. My license plate says AJUST 8
(phish). ALSO, if anyone needs tent space to sleep in, I may have
extra space.

Thanks for the excitement everyone!  Let me know if you need anything.
Have fun!   Cathead

Mark Armantrout                     sound, water, magic, light, language
marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu           AJUST 8       PHISH
  "Parallel motions of different parameters or components or attributes
   may turn musical events back into acoustical events." -- H. Bruen

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Can I say more about IO? No, I think not. In 2 more days at this time we 
will be raving in Kentucky. Im so...so...SO...(i dont have words to 
describe it). It will be INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope I can meet you all the people i emailed and chatted since im on 
the list, Vrave, and #rave (note: Ravebot will still work during the 
weekend coz i will not disconnect my account).

See ya everybody, and I bet this weekend will be for the history.

Jay


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Sitting here doing my own weird dumb stuff on the computer, more and more
mail keeps piling up.  Each one about IO, about this person's doing this
and that person's doing that.  Everyone's so excited.  _I'm_ excited.  If
you're going, you're probably getting a little weirded too.

This is something great.  Something cool.  A vibe that's building even
before we get in our cars and go to the damn place.  Something special is
going to happen there; hell, it already _is_ happening.  People from all
over are putting aside their differences, putting their heads together, and
looking forward to spending a weeking grooving on each other.

Thank you, JJ.  Oh my goodness, thank you.

I've been walking around all this week, smiling.  It's just gonna' get
worse.  I love it!


--
Craig L. Stodolenak
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03.SEPTEMBER            DETROIT         BELIEVE

OuterPeace productions and Corky's present....

B E L I E V E  |*
09.03.94

with dj's
bileebob (DETROIT)
rotator (DETROIT)
doc A% (DETROIT/SAN DIEGO)
b-side (SAN DIEGO)
daeman (SAN DIEGO)

info:

tickets $8 presale / $10 door
available at 
        Corky's
        Record Time in Roseville
        The Magic Bus in Dearborn
For tix and info 312.302.5736 / 312.417.4709
Juice Bar and Corky's clothing sale
**Meet at .BASIC / 200 Grand River at Griswold

{}  :]  ;]

Don't say you wasn't informed...


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Hello again, laavly midwestravers!!

I'm back on the list again after my foray into Pittsburgh.  So far, things
look pretty good out here, especially all the vibe I feel buzzin' for IO!

I'll see you there.
With bells on ;)
I'll have the bleached hair, 50s retro glasses, my (old) mwraves badge,
some rekkids :)  but no attitude(as always!)

stop me and go "TaDAOWWWwww"

jay
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It's official....I have NO ride...I'm considering hitchhhiking if I don't
get a ride...I sincerely apologize for starting the whole pancake thang...I
have the stoves...but I don't think I'm gonna get there... I can definitely
get a ride to st. louis to meet someone...official grovel begins here:

I NEED A BIGTIME RIDE!!!! I HAVE GAS MONEY....I HAVE THE NUGS AND THE
HUGS...I HAVE THE STOVES FOR THE PANCAKES...CAN SOMEONE HELP THIS PO'
SOUL?!?

sincerely,

wally

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> 
> i need someone to tell me everything they can about the rave on
> 9/2 called helmsman in detroit.  everything.  even write in private
> about personal opinions and whatever.  i was thinkin about headin there 
> after i get outta the nin concert that night.  
> 
> thanks in advance
> bridget
> 97palmer@alma.edu
> 
> 
Well, it's called DeepSpace, not Helmsman.  It is Friday, Sept 2,
at the Packard Plant (same site as SPASTIK was).

This will probably be nothing like a "rave", as in there will be
minimal lighting, probably no decorations, no chill room...

What it will be is an entire evening dedicated to the music, brought
by the original people.  It will be a real "Back to Basics" party.

I'm there, dude.


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In a technologically-induced stupor, AnodeBAM@aol.com flatly stated...
::
::You better make it!!!! I've got 10 lbs of batter mix and a gallon of syrup,
::but no stoves!!!

We are bringing a tiny Coleman thingy, just big enough for a very small
pan.  We'll be 'checking in' fairly early on, Friday.  We're leaving
Milwaukee early in the morning and hope to arrive in Lexington around 6pm or
so.  If this ETA is way off, someone please tell me.  Also, does anyone have
an idea of the total mileage from Milwaukee to Lexington?


Milwaukee Center for Community Computing - Omnifest
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							   steven j. white
						   swhite@omnifest.uwm.edu

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What was the final decision on this?  Has anyone yet volunteered to set
aside an area for us in some fashion?


Nequaquam vacuum.					   steven j. white
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Sub umbra alarum tuarum Iehova.		     finger for PGP 2.6 public key

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I was recently told secondhand about another st.louis party happening in sept.
(called nectar)  anyone have any info about this?  thanks....

-pj


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Thankyou all for the info.  I will most definately be there!  And  
probably bringing 3 friends.  I can't wait to meet some of you!  Well  
I'd tell y'all what I look like but you'll probably forget in a month  
and a half!

So.. since a friend o' mine will be drivin' and most likely not  
caravanin' what is the deal?  What time it gonna start?  Where  
EXACTLY is it gonna be?  and the other associated jazz....

thankya much!

Sir Kutbrakr

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>does anybody know if the entrance gates are gonna be 

>open all night friday? the person i'm riding with
>has to work until 6 on that day, so with the drive from
>detroit we prob'ly won't be there till midnight or so.. will
>we still be able to get in?   

>
>aNdy                                              spEcK:seLEcKt
>ndc@engin.umich.edu                            hoUSe oV pHraMes



I am sure people will be able to get in all day friday and saturday.

NOTE jj's announcement about the camping and the possibility of  
having to pay for camping for the non earlybirds. (It's cheap though,  
$10.50 for two people with power, $1 extra for additional people)

The site will be open all day friday, so come as early as you want!!!

*~cosmic~~~



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hehehehehehe

I'm so psyched!!!!!  I'm stoked!!!!! I'm pumped!!!!  shit, I can  
barely type.

You all this is gonna be so AWESOME!!!!!

PANCAKES ARE IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

*~cosmic~~~

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i cannot wait to meet all of you at interstellar!!!
i am so excited, i am leaving in an hour so this will be the last
contact i will have with reality and the internet (same thing??)
until after i.o.

i just wanted to ask if someone could bring some little "hello, my name is"
badges for us to wear? i don't know many of you and i can NEVER remember
names so this would help me immensely.  i want to meet all of you adn remember
who you are when you are mentioned or when i get a letter or email from you
or when i see you on the net.  without this device i know that too many of you
will live in my mind as "the guy/girl with the <insert your hairstyle here> and
the <insert your shirt color here> shirt on." and i already think of too many
of you in that way (i would like to reserve that space in my mind for the
geeks walking around my school not my *friends*).
unfortunately, due to time constraints (when i leave in an hour i am on my way
to the site to begin lights/sound set up for a little house party called 
interstellar somthingorother, somthing about aliens and austrailia...) i will not be able to make it to office depot. before the party but hopefully some of
you will...  i'll bring multicolored sharpies to write on them with.

thanks to you (whichever one [or more] of you it turns out to be) for assisting
my (almost) overpartied mind in meeting *and* getting to know and recognize you

im bringing by good vibes and big smiles.

gill.  (the guy with the rainbow hair and crazy silver reflective jacket on)
more>>>>> i know that's what serave/mwrave badges (laminates) have always been
for but they are so hard to read while someone is dancing or accross the room...

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me too...didnt get a flyer tho...what dj's?
infoline #?

george IV  

On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, R Y Smith Jr wrote:

> > 
> > i need someone to tell me everything they can about the rave on
> > 9/2 called helmsman in detroit.  everything.  even write in private
> > about personal opinions and whatever.  i was thinkin about headin there 
> > after i get outta the nin concert that night.  
> > 
> > thanks in advance
> > bridget
> > 97palmer@alma.edu
> > 
> > 
> Well, it's called DeepSpace, not Helmsman.  It is Friday, Sept 2,
> at the Packard Plant (same site as SPASTIK was).
> 
> This will probably be nothing like a "rave", as in there will be
> minimal lighting, probably no decorations, no chill room...
> 
> What it will be is an entire evening dedicated to the music, brought
> by the original people.  It will be a real "Back to Basics" party.
> 
> I'm there, dude.
> 
> 


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Hi there folks, this is a last minute request for rides to IO from
Chicago. *I* have a ride but I am looking for a ride for (one, two, or
) three friends from Chicago who are looking for a ride to IO sometime
Friday afternoon. They would so completely appreciate it you wouldn't
believe it! Please e-mail me or call me (collect, even) at (812)
332-5708. Thanks a bunch!!    Cathead

Mark Armantrout                     sound, water, magic, light, language
marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu           AJUST 8       PHISH
  "Parallel motions of different parameters or components or attributes
   may turn musical events back into acoustical events." -- H. Bruen

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DJ's (or Helsmen, as the flyer calls them):

Juan Atkins
Derrick May
Kevin Saunderson
Eddie Fawlkes

At the Packard Plant, East Grand & Concord, off Mt. Elliot

Friday, Sept 2, 11pm-6am
> 


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---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:         **** IO ****
Date:    94-08-25 01:11:03 EDT
From:    SERAVES@american.edu
To:      EllisD

W   W  AAA  N   N TTT EEE DD
W W W A   A NN  N  T  E   D D
W W W AAAAA N N N  T  EE  D D
W W W A   A N  NN  T  E   D D
WWWWW A   A N   N  T  EEE DD

very badly need a ride to IO this weekend
I'm in Knoxville, TN, so if you're traveling on I75 or I40,
and have room, please let me know.  I will be willing to help
pay for gas and/or food.  Email me at rothrock@cs.utk.edu.

                                        - Tom

->Even if you manage to get good pictures, someone will inevitably
->open the darkroom door and let all the dark out.


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listen folks...you have severe brain damage if you choose IO over
this!

(hey..hit this, then hit IO?!)

george  

On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, R Y Smith Jr wrote:

> DJ's (or Helsmen, as the flyer calls them):
> 
> Juan Atkins
> Derrick May
> Kevin Saunderson
> Eddie Fawlkes
> 
> At the Packard Plant, East Grand & Concord, off Mt. Elliot
> 
> Friday, Sept 2, 11pm-6am
> > 
> 
> 


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forget my last post about deepspace...i obviously have no conceptions 
of time...:)

george 

On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, R Y Smith Jr wrote:

> DJ's (or Helsmen, as the flyer calls them):
> 
> Juan Atkins
> Derrick May
> Kevin Saunderson
> Eddie Fawlkes
> 
> At the Packard Plant, East Grand & Concord, off Mt. Elliot
> 
> Friday, Sept 2, 11pm-6am
> > 
> 
> 


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                                                        INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK
                                                           THE CD COMPILATION

As the FREE party Interstellar Outback in Lexington, KY (August 26-28)
approaches
I am glad to announce the availability of an important fund-raiser for the
event.

A limited edition of 1,000 Compact Discs have been pressed TO be sold with
all profits
going to pay those nasty bills that are accumulating to produce the
Interstellar Outback party.
The CDs (73 minutes) will be sold for a limited time on the net for $10 plus
$1 shipping and
for $8 at the party (so it would actually save you money to go and have a
great time!!!).
Hows that for advertising skill:)

The CD includes a 4 color insert of the flyer and a WIDE variety of music
from those artist
(both DJs and Bands) that will be attending the party.  All tracks were
recorded digitally
and they're Phat!  There is a great representation of the RAVE scene here
with everything from
HardCore, Jungle, Trance, House, Acid, and Ambient.  Do yourself a favor and
those who have
worked to hard to produce all aspects of Interstellar Outback the party and
donated their time,
money and music for the CD.  Check it out.

Thanks,
EllisD
_______________________________________________________
                                              ARTIST & TRACK INFO

 1)  1.8.7  "JungleMan"  - 5.42
(from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

 2)  XTRA "Islam" - 4.08
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 3)  Theory Collapse "ELSD" - 5.36
(from Columbus, Ohio)

 4)  V-GER "In Flight" - 8.52
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 5)  Who Don It "Maelstrum" - 7.25
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

 6)  Mark Verbose "The Nation of Acid"  - 5.58
(from Milwaukee, Wisconsin)

 7)  Mystic Bill "The Sound Remains the Same" - 7.38
(from Chicago, Illinois)

 8)  Josh Wink "A Trip Back Home" - 11.08
(from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)

 9)  Induction "Telemetry" - 8.59
(from Houston, Texas)

10)  Prism "Dreamflight" - 7.26
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

Please NOTE:  This is available on Compact Disc ONLY and limited to 1,000.
 If you cannot attend the party please include a Money Order or Cashiers
check for $11 to ROM HyperMedia and include a note with the number of disc
requested to:

Interstellar Outback CD
11510 N. May Ave. #206
Oklahoma City, OK 73120

_______________________________________________________


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hello everybody...looks like my ride just crapped out on me...
his van is in the shop.  so theres 4 of us witty young
raver types in indiana...stranded.  anyone willing to assist
us in getting to the bestest event (thanks jj) ever???  we
have tents and lanterns and a stove and delightful company...
oh and gas money.  puhleeeze find it in yer heart to help us
out...thank you all so much and i hope i can get to IO to
meet all yall wonderful net folks and the many others that 
will be there.  aloha!



                ...devin       
 ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu          ..."TriPtoNitE"

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> 
> listen folks...you have severe brain damage if you choose IO over
> this!
> 
> (hey..hit this, then hit IO?!)
> 
> george  

Check the dates...IO is Aug 26-28...Deep Space is Sept 2...

--fixer


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this is a correction:
the caravan from northern indiana will meet at the SECOND exit off
of 65 (sr 26 exit) at 2:15-2:30pm.  there is a speedway gas station.
awaiting the arrival of the kids up north are two little red cars
packed with kids and clothes and necessary preps for this event.

i'm sure you are all like me and experiencing various acts of 
sudden falling down, jumping up out of my seat during lectures, and getting a glazed and starry eyed look in the eyes....we will all be crazed
together.  this excitement falls upon me harder than a stack of books.
(man, that's serious)

i've got 6lbs of pancake batter taht *CAN* be mixed wtih just water.
and i promise to let jen and whomever take the cooking part under thier
wing, as we don't want forest fires, eh?

so, peace over and out and world-wide.  i've got open arms (5'2.5" of 
a full-cubbie-bear hug) and a smile that's gonna be all over this 
campsite.  drive safely----

remmeber:  the caravan is leaving from lafayette at 2:30pm *at the latest*
and will make one stop in cincinnati chez becca maslow.  eta:  5pm indy/chicago time, 6pm ohio time.  from there, the caravan will head out to the site
and eagerly await the arrival of our friends.  we should be at the site, with traffic and all....around 7:30-8pm.  (that's j^2 time...lexington time)

*bounce bounce bounce*  can you imagine being on this sub list an d *NOT * goign to this event and having to read all this mail????  :O
-- 
**** "you shine brightly in my eyes..." ****                    ---cub
sara kim
skimmy@expert.cc.purdue.edu

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	OK It looks as if I'm not going to be at IO......I just couldn't 
miss class tonight to do it.....It's the first week of class and I was on 
waiting lists for classes so If I don't show up they could give my spot 
away........So I'll be in Iowa listening to the corn grow.......I think 
I'll sit in my room on Fri and Sat and project myself to the party....So
if you suddenly smell a vics inhaler up your nose, taste a blow pop in 
your mouth, and feel an overall warm fuzzy feeling that just me saying 
hello from my little nook on the astralplane.......I hope I see everyone 
next weekend in Chicago for Family Groove Kitchen.......

						Rad.....

						MrJP


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I have a friend who is leaving Friday for NYC and would like phone
#'s/addresses of raves/underground parties going on that week, starting 8/26
or 8/27.  Thanks!


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hi,

  it me list lurker 21743 just wantin to give a quick descript, just in case 
anyone spotz me/us(elemental kru). i will be easy to spot, i'm short(5'4),i'm 
black, and i have long dredz. i will prolly be wearing my complete set of 
f.d.n.y. tshirts though out this event.i will be wit my kru members 
titonton,doughboy,placebo,peggy sue(won the drawing contest at zoinks), d.j. 
drift,and a possible appearance from ram(tony ramos). i will have a few copies 
of fusion 01 if anyone wants to find me to get one. its still $5.00 tiny little
dollars. i hope to meet some net people, and some not so net people. i think we
are leaving columbus arround 5:00 pmfriday. so if your in the area, stop and 
let us join you on the way down. our addres is 384 e 17th ave, which is about a 
mile west when you get off at the 17th ave exit on 71north/south. send me mail 
if you think you want to stop and meet us. our phone is out so u cant call.
if you see me/us at the site, please introduce yo self....

be safe,


    ccode

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can't contain my excitement any longer....
  must de-lurk....
been so long since a post....

WOW am i looking forward to this event. hope i can catch a vibe with
the rest of the purdue/indy/cincy crew, but unfortunately will
probably be busy until 2pm. SOB! working on that though.

must say - the positivity that is simply exploding over this event
makes me want to meet you all (either for the first time or for a
brilliant again!)

props to J for coming into work early today so that this sickboy can
get some much needed rest. Rebecca and i are so <insert intense
adjective> for IO that we wanna leave now! 

see you all there - look forward to meeting you all in the same place
this time!

opal/robWest/westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu

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WALLACE E WINFREY!!!!



	call this number AS SOON AS YOU GET THIS


		515-269-3634




			Tigger
		(if you get a hold of me soon, you have a ride
		this is thursday..around 6:30..try b4 8)

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for all the caravanners coming to cincy...you know who you are...

andrew bennett had a good idea.  (can you believe it? :)
his idea was this:
since he has an apartment parking lot which can fit many cars and i
only have a street with bitchy neighbors, why don't we all meet over
at his place, considering it is a mile from my house and about the same
distance from the highway.  tell me if you like this plan better?

also, i have about 100 'hi my name is' stickers, i can maybe get a
little more, but as i am not working, money is in short supply for
me.  but i will be happy to have everyone who wants one take one,
because i believe that if you know someone's name, then they are no
longer a stranger to you, and then you will talk to them, which is
what makes this world a better place.  :)

and sara, this may be a dumb question, but are you bringing pixie stix?

FuN! FuN! FuN!

-becca

-- 
Becca Maslow
amaslow@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
little elf :)

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We're going to be leaving in about an hour and I can't find the
directions I printed out. Could someone pleeeaasee mail me the
dirtections to I.O. that J.J.....errr...the Aliens posted? Thanks a
lot. :-)


+--[ Mike Senften ]--------------------------------------solder@cis.ksu.edu--+
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|  would surely have the skill to pursue other careers as well, so grades are| 
+- really  irrelevant." - Stanley (2600)  -----------------------------------+

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Arnold M. Maslow Once Upon a Time Said ::

> for all the caravanners coming to cincy...you know who you are...
> 
> andrew bennett had a good idea.  (can you believe it? :)
> his idea was this:
> since he has an apartment parking lot which can fit many cars and i
> only have a street with bitchy neighbors, why don't we all meet over
> at his place, considering it is a mile from my house and about the same
> distance from the highway.  tell me if you like this plan better?

*scoff*  Yeah yeah yeah.

I wanna leave here (my apt complex) about 6-7pm.  I imagine that it will
happen as soon as the Indy ravers arrive and stretch their legs and all
that.  And anyone else who emails me.  But I don't wanna be waiting
around all evening, either.  Setting up tents in the light has it's
advantages over doing it in the dark.  You can avoid all those bumps and
twigs and stuff.


Andrew
-- 

(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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IMalbon@aol.com sez
>I have a friend who is leaving Friday for NYC and would like >phone
>#'s/addresses of raves/underground parties going on that >week, starting
8/26
>or 8/27.  Thanks!

these should help:)

scotto/drop (used to be n.a.s.a.) 212-330-8233
community 212-330-9111
liquid sky 212-343-0532
mars (he's in nj but he's really cool) 908-506-9592
futur space 212-802-8422
groove 718-714-5232
alan sanctuary (but i wouldn't suggest you go to any of his parties)
212-696-8938
fluid 212-629-1960


ellen


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WALLACE E. WINFREY



Electric Koolaide and I (Tigger)
are driving through Coloumbia tonight.
we will find your number.
we will call you.
we will take you with us.
be one of us.
fuck friday classes.
this is the future.
and it is now.






			Tigger
(oh my fucking god I am well on my way to the rest of my life!!!!)

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Hey guys, disregard that last post, sorry.  My computer screwed it up.  It 
was supposed to be going to Tigger.  Sorry.

		q					Ryan


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Hey,

	How's it going?  I hope you have a great time at IO.  Take care of 
yourself and use those oh-so-deeply ingrained woodsman skills to help 
everybody out.  Also eat a nice fluffy pancake for me.

						Ryan

PS  This whole outdoor cooking string reminds me of the time we tried to make 
a pizza in a dutch oven using Jiffy Mix and we had about 2.5 inches of 
liquidy crust-- remember that!  Don't repeat it this weekend.  Take care!


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well, i won't get into the reason why i don't have a ride to IO when a 
few days ago, it was a pretty sure thing.  however, i still dont have a 
ride and i want to go so badly... sooo if anyone in the St. louis area 
has room for 2 kids w/ gas money, PLEASE call! we don't bite...;)

hugs!
devil gir 

Leigh H. Simmons
<lhsimmon@mango.wustl.edu>


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In a technologically-induced stupor, MrJP flatly stated...
::
::	OK It looks as if I'm not going to be at IO......I just couldn't 
::miss class tonight to do it.....It's the first week of class and I was on 
::waiting lists for classes so If I don't show up they could give my spot 
::away........So I'll be in Iowa listening to the corn grow.......I think 
::I'll sit in my room on Fri and Sat and project myself to the party....So
::if you suddenly smell a vics inhaler up your nose, taste a blow pop in 
::your mouth, and feel an overall warm fuzzy feeling that just me saying 
::hello from my little nook on the astralplane.......I hope I see everyone 
::next weekend in Chicago for Family Groove Kitchen.......

Our thoughts will be with you.  And Tigger will bring along a part of you
with him so we can get it from him and reach back to Iowa.  I'm sorry to
hear you won't be with us.  Just listen to some music and think of us and
we'll all be together.

- stevenJ


Milwaukee Center for Community Computing - Omnifest
__________________________________________________________________________
							   steven j. white
						   swhite@omnifest.uwm.edu

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03.SEPTEMBER            DETROIT         BELIEVE

OuterPeace productions and Corky's present....

B E L I E V E  |*
09.03.94

with dj's
bileebob (DETROIT)
rotator (DETROIT)
doc A% (DETROIT/SAN DIEGO)
b-side (SAN DIEGO)
daeman (SAN DIEGO)

info:

tickets $8 presale / $10 door
available at 
        Corky's
        Record Time in Roseville
        The Magic Bus in Dearborn
For tix and info 312.302.5736 / 312.417.4709
Juice Bar and Corky's clothing sale
**Meet at .BASIC / 200 Grand River at Griswold

{}  :]  ;]

Don't say you wasn't informed...


>-------------Therefore, I.M.-------------<
"Ventura, Ventura, sspace peeple..."
>-----------------------------------------<


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I guess it's time for me to wax semi-philosophical for a moment.  I just got
home from work now (2:07am) so I think the drive down to KY will be
interesting.  I've been spending the last few days reading all of the
wonderful feelings flying round the net regarding the up-coming event.  I've
actually gotten shivers down my spine thinking about the sort of things
that'll happen at eye-oh.  Here's my take on why.

I truly believe that the world is becoming a more an more evil place to
live.  Why?  Thats too complex a problem to deal with in this post or even on
this list, for that matter.  Although if someone wants to pick this up, feel
free.  I think that the aforementioned evil/fear/violence is and has always
been inevitable, for a lot of reasons.  Humanity seems to go through swings;
up and down between good and evil.  Right now we're at the bottom of that
cycle, depending on your perspective, of course.

I think that raves were bound to happen, or in the least some incarnation
thereof; our scene is simply a reaction to the world we live in.  Now, this
isn't meant to over-simplify our existence or what we hold to be true and/or
good.  In fact, what I have just stated shows us to be part of something
which can hold change for the world.  Do I think that rave culture can save
the world?  In a word, no.  But, what we profess to be our canon of life can be
spread throughout our little slice of humanity; I mean of course vibe, plur,
whatever you wish to call it.

This weekend we will have the opportunity to strengthen ourselves with each
other.  By spending three days together with all these positive feelings
surrounding us...  well, it's just too bad we can't share it with the rest of
the world.  Or can we?

When you leave Kentucky, or go back home if you live in Kentucky, take back
with you what we will produce at Interstellar Outback.  Don't make the
aliens' trip down here a waste of their time and anti-matter pods.  Make
sure you tell lots of people what happened for three days in Kentucky and
spread it around THICK.

I'm really looking forward to meeting tons o' new friends, this weekend.  So
don't be surprised if a rather tall, 'older looking', hairless boy walks
right up to you and says, "Hi." 

I hope y'all have a safe trip to the park, while at the park and on your way
back home.  Peace out...


- stevenJ

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well, our park sideveloped problems. we are changing the location.

reason: some campers told the park manager there were "at least 6,000"
people coming. he will not do it no matter what we say. in order to keep
these campers from bing lynched, the stated reason is that noise was 
going to violate a state law. the park rangers have been more than cool
(actually wanted to hear the music) and have helped us get a new site.

we have multiple backup spaces and will announce the new location as soon
as the site is signed contractually. the space should be of similar q
and we are doing EVERYTHING we can to assure a non_WACK experience. it is
good fortune that j2 is PARANOID and booked multiple sites, because these
things happen. we will distribute maps at the old site and at exit 154.
campers already at the site (who scared the park manager) are telling people
to call the infoline to get directions. 

sound and lights are already here, FrenchE brought 18,500 lbs of equipment.

the real impact of this will be to put less of an emphasis on Friday night
and more on Saturday and Sunday. we hope you can join us, and trust us 
enough to continue your travel plans.

peace & stress,
j2

"Hi. Can we borrow 1000 acres for 3 days for 2 grand?"


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no ride, no friends, no luck! what's a girl gotta do to get a ride to 
kentucky?

debil girl 

Leigh H. Simmons
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Electric Koolaide and I were in Columbia.
we tried.
Dammit did we try.
we even found somone remotely associated with you, but he was no help.
we went to the campus police, even....they called your old number for us.
we really tried.
I even got a speeding ticket (oh no, not again) trying to get their at a 
reasonable hour
(and the cop tacked on an extra $10 for no seatbelt....AND I HAD IT ON!!!!)
Mr. Winfrey, we tried.
I'm sorry.
E. K. is sorry.
Hell, the entire universe is sorry.
we shall meet soon, I swear





					Tigger

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	I'm Preparing myself for my astral projection to IO........

					MrJP


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First, if you are going through Chicago, the Chicago meet-point is my place,
at 1403 W. Huron apt.3 (Bamberski), around noon. This is on Huron and Noble,
which is just 500 yards west (make a right at top of ramp) of the Ogden Av.
exit going south on I-94.

We'll be leaving at 1pm at the latest, so we'll be at Speedway in Lafayette
around 2:30pm. We'll try, and skimmy jen & crew gonna wait for us, even if it
means until 3pm, or we'll beat them up!

Then we can all go and trash andrew's appartment before we go to the unknown
madness site...

bambi
nib@dlogics.com

ps: my voice-mail is fucked I think (should I sue?) but you can leave a
message at home at (312) 455 8908. I will call you back cauz I'm good enough,
smart enough,...

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Morning all...

I just called JJ's line.  Yikes.  Here's how the info stands at 10:15am ET:

The party will be held Friday nite at Kincaid State Park, and then it will
     MOVE to a new location as yet to be determined.

Everyone must be registered as a camper, and you must have camping gear with
     you.

I believe that I heard that no arrivals after 11pm Friday, but don't hold me
     to that.

Music will go from 6pm to 7am Saturday at the Shelter at Kincaid.  At that
     point I guess music will be turned off, and we will sleep/crash/eat/
     hang out until new info about the next site is distributed.


So bring extra gas money, patience, and a level head.

JJ said that the voice mail would have new info by 4pm.  That number again
is 606.281.4193.  If you call the line, get in a quiet room with no noise.
It was hard for me to hear with the damn grass cutters outside.

I'll post more details as I get them, as I'm sure JJ can't get to a computer
easily, since he's running around.



Andrew
-- 

(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, Paul Gray wrote:

> I was recently told secondhand about another st.louis party happening in sept.
> (called nectar)  anyone have any info about this?  thanks....
> 
> -pj

SATURDAY --- SEPTEMBER 24 ---- ST. LOUIS

              NECTAR

Featuring:

Astroboy (st. louis)
Jeremy Reese (st. louis)
Carlos (San. Fran.)
Spun (San. Fran.)
DJ Shawn (Albuquerque, NM)

sound by diversified audio
lights by Alobar's
smartbar by World Unity

info lines:

St. Louis: 314-995-9518   Memphis: 901-363-9831    Nashville: 615-780-3730
Madison: 608-258-0003     Chicago: 312-604-1764    Ohio: 513-496-1071
Indy: 317-899-8100

______________________________________

BTW, I think I'm the *only* person on this list that won't be at IO :P

have fun y'all

tigger: hope Kris got you a ride!  have fun and see ya the 17th!

.sulking in St. Louis...

pixel



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Hey all...

Any net ravers going to be at Invisible?  Is anyone going to be at
Invisible?!?

And can anyone confirm that LOIS is throwing on Joker?  The info number
is their usual number, but alas no promoter info on the flyers...

				Jon Gilkison
				MiND iNK.

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On Fri, 26 Aug 1994 10:40:25 -0500, 
Jon Gilkison  <jong@kitchen.mcad.edu> wrote:

>Hey all...
>
>Any net ravers going to be at Invisible?  Is anyone going to be at
>Invisible?!?

Yep, I'll be there.  I'll be wearing a maroon hat with a gold and black "P" 
on the front (back actually since I will be wearing it backwards) and I am 
tall and have a black gotee.  Drop me a line and maybe we can hook up.....


   Robert Williams<\>fEED</>iNFIdeLiTy rECoRdIngS<\>fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu      
                            
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  to the output of the FILTER to back flush the trapped overtones to unclog 
  your filter."                                            - EML 101 Manual
 

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Steven Roussos Once Upon a Time Said ::

> > Everyone must be registered as a camper, and you must have camping gear with
> >      you.
> 
> Well, I just called JJ's line, and it didn't say anything like this.  If it
> is true, then this is bad news for people who are just able to come down for
> the night, and are not able to camp out, and don't want to spend the $$$
> to be a registered camper (please, no-one complain that this is not in the
> "spirit" of the event....I would love to spend the weekend there, but
> monetary and job considerations make a 1-evening visit the only way I can
> go at all!)


I just called JJ's line (it's now 2:15pm) and the message now is slightly
different than the one at 10am this morning.  But that's what the pre-10am
message said.  

I believe the rangers of the park imposed this so a bunch of people wouldn't
overrun their campgrounds.  *shrug*  I don't really know.


> > I believe that I heard that no arrivals after 11pm Friday, but don't hold me
> >      to that.
>
> Again, JJ's line didn't say this when I called (1:30 PM Fri.).  If it is true,
> I wonder HOW they are going to keep people out after 11:00 PM?  What about
> people who are driving long distances, didn't hear about the change of
> policy, and don't arrive till late?  And what about people who arrive earlier
> than that and need to go home in the wee-hours?  Is there going to be a locked
> gate or something that will prevent people from leaving, too?


Again, this is not in the 2pm message, but it was there this morning.  I
see this as the Ranger staff wants to know who is coming in and all that,
but yet they don't want to stay up all night.  *shrug*  Again, I don't
really know.  Things could've changed since then.



> I don't mean to worry anyone, but there will be better vibes all around if
> we find out these things for sure ***NOW***, so that no-one ends up receiving
> less-than-welcome last-minute surprizes.


Exactly!  That's why I'm posting this stuff and keeping the gopher area
at hyperreal.com up to date with information.  I don't want ravers with
good intentions to be suprised to their down-side either.


> Andrew...since this maybe-info came from you, and your message kinda
> implies that you know JJ, could you try to find out for sure about these
> things?

Yes, I do know JJ, but at a time like this, I'm not going to bother him.
He's got enough to worry about at this moment in time.  I would just count
on calling the info line after 4pm to get the most latest up to date 
information possible.  I'll call after 4pm and post the details.



Andrew
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im speechless =)=)

everyone have fun and be safe...experience nature and the vibe and the 
unity i know is there...even though im not going and i missed the ride 
(thanks EK & Tigger) i can still feel the PLUR =)

ill see you all this fall im sure!!!!!!


wally

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To those who haven't left yet...

The Friday afternoon update of JJ's line (606.281.4193) indicates the 
following:

    - no Saturday site is announceable yet.  He won't do it until a signed
      contract has been obtained
    - you must be camping tonight to get access to the park.  $8.95 for
      a tent with no power, $10.95 with power.  Extra bodies are $1.
    - "the worst you will get is a campout with a bunch of ravers"
    - the line will be updated at 10pm Friday.

Over and out...


Andrew
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As Sarah French is being used as a channel for spirits, this babbles out:

On Fri, 26 Aug 1994, Jon Gilkison wrote:

> Hey all...
> 
> Any net ravers going to be at Invisible?  Is anyone going to be at
> Invisible?!?

Hey Is your name Jong? heheh just kidding, it's me Dave Pedersen.  Yes  
I'll be there since IO is out of the ballpark now.. I would really 
like to meet up with anyone on this list who is going.

> And can anyone confirm that LOIS is throwing on Joker?  The info number
> is their usual number, but alas no promoter info on the flyers...

Yep, they sure are.  Will be there too.  If anyone goes I'll be wearing a 
White T-shirt with a small alien on the front that says Alien Workshop..I 
think.. 
> 				Jon Gilkison
> 				MiND iNK.
> 
                                       jong?

Dave Pedersen
<unknown.yet@UWSTOUT.EDU>

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if it is possible that i can get a ride to invisible tomorrow, is there
anyone that can offer me and maybe 1 or 2 others crash space?  thanks

ellen


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Well, sorry to take so long, but here goes, for anybody who cares...

Got there around six AM Saturday, Joe went off to meet his friends, I (nopt
having any yet) immidiately went to sleep.  woke around noon, went down to
play in the river, met people.  Early afternoon (I think) various non-DJ
people started spinning.  I took a nap mid-afternoon and woke up to some rad
dude spinning Blondie and Men Without Hats!  Anyway, the real DJ's kicked in
around ten PM, I would say, by which time I was in no frame of mind to
realize this...  :) 

	The most humurous thing to happen all weekend (at least that I saw)
was that, since this whle thing was on a campground, there were local people
actually *trying to camp* all around us.  Some of us had to go and break it
to them gently that they really weren't going to sleep tonight...  Anyway,
all the local women got pissed as hell becus their husbands/boyfriends were
off getting stoned and high on nitrous with all these "undesirables".  The
local men were generally pretty cool, one was over by the smart drink stand:

Local:  So what is this, man?
Smart drink guy:  It's a smart drink
L: What's in it?
SDG: Lotsa vitamins, stuff to give you energy.
L:  Does it get you drunk?
SDG:  No.
L:  Cool, I'll take one.

The smart drink stand also had lots of black lights, which I thought were
pretty cool.  Then i noticed some flourescent paints sitting around,
unused.  I asked the operators if they were using them and they informed me
that the paints wer there for the enjoyment of the patrons.  I painted my
entire hand, the highlight of my evening because at the point (chemically)
that I was at a flourescent hand looked REALLY REALLY NEET.

Met cool people Dee, Jennifer and Brian who cooked me noodles and banged on
paint tins with me.  How come nobody had any kind of percussion apparatus
there but me?

Anyway, all was fine and well until I woke up sunday morning to find the
five-oh's in full effect...  I recognized the uniforms about halfway to the
field, turned right around and walked staright back to my car...  They had
dogs, so I thought it safer to donate my paltry stash of contraband to old
man river...  Joe and I wound up our experienc by selling off all
non-essential foodstuffs for gas money home.  All in all, a good time.

Wish I culd have made IO, though, but Family Groove Kithcen is definately
happening for me.  Se Y'all there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-beatpunk

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This goes out to Rob of Feed: (somehow can't send mail to your address?!?)

I think I've met you before through Matt and Dave of Cyber Complex @ vivid
and at JT's little party last week.

I'll be wearing a cubs hat and a dickies T.  If you see someone that looks
like a rapist, probably is me .... <inside joke>.

I heard a rumour that feed was coming out with a rekkid?!?  This true?  Matt
mentioned something, but hasn't heard anything more about it.

Anyways, see ya @ invisible.
		Jon Gilkison
					MiND iNK.

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i'm not going to post a really long review of friday night because i
am sure there will be a zillion more and if you didn't go you are
probably not interested anyway.

all i wanted to say was that i had a great time with everyone who was
there and that i will take great memories back to school with me, so
thank you.

i know we didn't get to dance very much, and the drive to all the
different places wasn't what i would consider fun, but i am really
glad that we made a vibe that carried us through all the cops and
caravans to try to stay together, because that is what is really cool
to me.

hope everyone had fun on saturday nad sunday night.  i want to read
all the reviews, and i know there will be many.  :)

btw, if anyone is ever in the athens, ohio area, come visit me.  i
will be there.  and yes andrew, i have to be in by two.  :P

hugs, kisses, and smiles for all.  i will be back at my o.u. address
soon, so i can vrave my little heart out again.  :)

love you all, 
-becca


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ok guys.  i was gettin tired of trying to figure this one out so i asked the
source.  now i don't want to hear any more discussions about it!!:)

ellen
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Date:    94-08-27 17:01:13 EDT
From:    brian@sfraves.org
To:      Smellen

On Sat, 27 Aug 1994 Smellen@aol.com wrote:
> i know this kinda question doesn't go over too well on email but my friends
> and i can't seem to figure something out.  is it hy-per-real with 3
syllables
> or hy-per-re-al with 4 syllables?  just wonderin'.

4 syllables -like "Ethereal"

 Brian



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, so if you can help me i will be youre friend forever!!!!!! just returned from a long summer break and I can't access vrave 


Perpetual Etor

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Damn, hectic weekend.....

First we got to the camp ground around 11:00, and the cops were blocking 
the entrance.  All the campsites were full and they told us that we 
needed a camping permit to enter.  I, my friends and I, along with about 
50 other people who couldn't get in went to a hardees parking lot to wait
and see what happened.  A half and hour later a cop came by and told us 
that we could go into the park, but had to be out by 4:30. The site for 
the next night was going to change because the park rangers got paranoid 
after a couple of dumbasses went up to them and said something like "this 
is gonna be like woodstock."  Anyway, we went to the park, and about 45 
minutes later the cops shut down the music because of some stupid "quiet 
hours".  IO was moved for fri. nite to a lexington club called "Club 
Renaissance" Most of the people who didn't have a camp site went there. 
We stayed there and danced a bit. They had couches and a sleeping area 
where we could crash for the night.  We waited around the club till about 
5:00 o'clock the next day(pm) until they announced the new site, which 
was a private camp ground somewhere out in bumblefuck, Kentucky.  Anyway, 
Saturday night was fucking incredible......  The Dj's were really 
good(especially the detroit tag team, it was billebob and someone else.  
The crowd size was about 1500 or so(correct me if I'm wrong, I suck at 
crowd estimates.)  There were people from all over - D.C., Richmond, 
Detroit, Chicago, Saint Louis, NYC, New Jersey, Texas, and a bunch from 
Milwaukee.  Everybody was soooo friendly.  I met alot of cool people. 

Somethime early in the morning a girl overdosed on herion..... I don't 
know if she died or not, I didn't stick around long enough to find out, 
as the owners told everybody to leave. :(

Overall, the weekend was really fun. I can't imagine how fun it would 
have been if there hadn't been all the problems.

-graflin
 

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Smellen@aol.com Once Upon a Time Said ::
> 
> ok guys.  i was gettin tired of trying to figure this one out so i asked the
> source.  now i don't want to hear any more discussions about it!!:)

I'll add and state that the inspiration came from a Shamen song off of
the various versions of their second last lp/cd, "En-Tact".  The UK cd5
has some ossum mixes by Jack Dangers and William Orbit.


Andrew
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(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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                        M O R P H 1   U P D A T E


Ok first off tickets for Morph are selling amazingly well in the 'burgh 
so I felt I should say that if you are comming from out of town you 
should probably purchase your ticket before leaving. (There is a list of 
ticket outlets for almost every major East Coast/Midwest city on the back 
of the flyer). At the rate tickets are going locally there may be none 
left by the weekend and I'd hate to see people have to pay an extra $5 at 
the gate because they didn't get their tix in advance. Also in case you 
haven't noticed the location has been changed. It is NO LONGER at Seven 
Springs, it was moved to the Fayette County Fairgrounds when the people 
at Seven Springs decided to pull out of their contract. It seems after 
Woodstock the prospect of 1,000's of people having a good time at their 
resort didn't was well with them..... Oh well, their loss. 
Anyway the new site is MUCH BETTER in my opinion because: 
A) There is way more space both for parking and camping. 
B) You can now camp ON-SITE no longer "nearby". 
C) We can hire our own security.
D) Easier to get to. It's just of PA Turnpike exit 8 (New Stanton -see 
directions at the end of this message) and at least a half hour closer to 
the Greater Pittsburgh Area. 

Please get the word out that the space has been changed. In any event 
those going to the old space will see signs notifying them of the change
and telling them how to get there along with the infoline number which
will also have directions.
Additionally:
We've added yet more bands (during the day) and DJ's/PA's. Call the 
Millennium Infoline 412.734.5549 for more on this.

That said here is the skinny:


Morph 1 will be a 21 hour event from 2pm Saturday to 11am Sunday at the 
Fayette County Fairground near Uniontown, PA about 30 mins from 
Pittsburgh Proper.
For those not wishing to drive, shuttles will run every hour on the hour 
from the Oakland Beehive starting at 2pm Saturday and will bring you back 
on the hour Sunday morning.

Morph parts include:
1 Phat Space with an Event Marquee
2 Liquid Cooled Argon Lasers and Video Projections by PAWN
3 Sound Areas [Main Stage, Band Stage/Second Stage after 2am, Ambient 
Chillout Complex]
12 Intellabeams by Eyegasm
24 Dataflash Strobes film loops and assorted other visual loonieness by 
Eyegasm (this is the guy who does lights for the World Wrestling 
Federation :)
10's of DJ's/PA's Including but not limited to: dieselBoy(Pitt), Deadly 
Buda(Pitt), Controlled Weirdness(London,UK), Hyperactive(Chi), Drop Bass
Network(Milw), Michael Meacham(DC), Dasez-Tempo(NYC), 1.8.7(Pitt), Scott
Forbush(Clev) + many more...
100's Of other amusements including but not limited to:
Live Poetry Readings 
Snake Dancing
Face Paining
Fire Eating/Juggling
Animations by the man like Zamecnik
Piercing/Body Art booths
Circus Apocalypse Sideshow
Wagon Circle 20th Century style
Bold Art Sculptures and Installations by some of Pittsburghs best artists
A Moonbounce (yes a moonbounce!)
Live Unplugged Tribal by the African Drum Ensemble
Living Theatre
Klingons on the Starboard Bow courtesy of the Star Trek Fan Club and 
Carnegie Science Centre's Federation Science exhibit.
Intelligent Drink Bar
Free Water (bring a bottle)
Signs of the new Millennium (watch the skies)
Sunset/Sunrise of the mountains of Western Pennsylvania
Technopolis After Party at Cloud 9 in the Strip District until the wee 
hours of Monday morning (if you are still up ;)
1,000's of sq ft of free camping space (bring a tent)
2,500-5,000 estimated attendees
35,000 (and rising) watts of Turbo Sound in the main staging area alone

Assemble parts with vibe and test for a wickedly good time! 
				

DIRECTIONS:
>From Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Columbus, Morgantown and points west:

Take Pennsylvania Turnpike going EAST. Get off at Exit 8 (New Stanton)
>From Exit take Route 119 SOUTH directly to Fairgrounds. It will be on 
your left. (Approximately 15 mins from Turnpike)

>From Washington DC, Baltimore, New York City, Philadelphia, Harrisburg, 
Allentown, and points east:

Take Pennsylvania Turnpike going WEST. Get off at Exit 8 (New Stanton) 
>From Exit, Take Route 119 SOUTH directly to Fairgrounds. It will be on 
your left. (Approximately 15 mins from Turnpike).

Attention: The Infoline on the tickets was misprinted the correct number 
is 412.734.5549. Also The advance ticket price is $15.00 rather than the 
misprented price of $18.00
				
			     
See ya there.









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WEll..it was the best of times; it was the worst of times.
Never in my life have I felt so conflicted and rearranged.  I had a wonderful 
time at the party, but, there is a part of me that wished I hadn't 
participated in the frivolities...let me explain.

I left Iowa on Thursday night thanks to electric koolaide (thanks 
Kris)...slept very little on a couch in st. louis, and then drove down to the 
site.  It was over, so we pulled into the Hardee's and figured out what was 
up..that is when th gas station happened.  It was wonderful, everyone was 
just hangin' out and chillin' and dancin' and laughin'...waiting for everyone 
to get ready, and when the time was right, we all piled into our cars and 
moved on to the rest area.  Here I did not sleep...I'm not really sure why, 
but I just miled around and watched the sun come up (which, by the way, WAS 
INCREDIBLE)

When we got removed from the area at 9 ish, I went to the mall, lost most of 
the rest of the party, but eventually ran into everyone again at Club 
renissance
  "Goddamn those Chicago house kids, they can really ruin a party!"
Mystic Bill and Traxx ripped the shit up. and whoever followed was just as 
phat...

when the party finally got moved, I felt it was all underway, and it truly 
was.  The site was rad, the people were rad, EVERYTHING was rad.  I was 
seeing my frineds, and it was good to be home.  Of course, then I fucked up.

I got way to involved in *ahem* what I was doing, and forgot that I was there 
for the music and not for the drugs.  I forgot what it was about...I forgot 
what it was like to be cleam.  I was seven miles high, and then I wasn't.  
Somebody freaked, and I tried to help (she's fine)...and that downed me hard, 
I couldn't get ahppy, and I was on the same e she was, so I tried to get 
people to tell me a joke, anything to cheer me up.  That happened nicely, but 
then I got tired of the music (Billeebob tag team thing just went on forever, 
so I took a walk).  In that time, I decided to sell what had to get 
more....something that worked.  That was totally unlike me, I began to get 
really frustrated, and THANKFULLY Steven J was there while I completely 
wigged out and helped me cheer up.  I sold my vowel anyway (Anybody want to 
buy a vowel? - the funny thing was that NO ONE got it), and I wandered.  I 
ran into an old friend, and finally returned to the music.

This was diesel boy.  He rocked me REAL HARD.  The thing was though, I wasn't 
happy, I was angry.  I'm not sure what it was that did it (it was a 
combination of the drugs, people totally disregarding my personal space, the 
people freaking me out, the girl asking ME for heroin, that group of freaks 
trying to get me to dance in a circle, or these damn voices that were flying 
around my head) but I began to fight.  Not with anyone, mind you, but with 
this big black speaker.  It began with a push, a confrontation of sorts, and 
then it escalated.  I was duking it out with an imaginary foe, and the 
punches were at the fat breaks.  It was morbid, but I was working it all out. 
 The fight slowly turned inot little stories, stories about the things that 
made me mad, and I took care of those things the same way...I fought.   Kimm 
*Even After* came up to me at one point to see if I was okay, and I couldn't 
even talk, I was so worked up.  I was venting and pushing and nothing could 
stop me.  I got better after deisel boy was over, the fighting was done, but 
I stilcouldn't (or wouldn't) deal with people.  I walked away, blowing off 
that really RAD ASS southern girl with blond shaved hair who called everyone 
her babies (does anyoen know her name?) and walked.   I felt like I was being 
followed, like I was being influenced, and I was, and it was all the drugs 
that I was on; or more specifically the combo of the shit E and the meth.

When I ran into some REAL good friends, I even felt like they were trying to 
ininfluence me, and that blew me away too...I couldn't handle it, but luckily 
for me (and everyone) I listened and got better.

I had a really good time at the party.  I also established a limit; and that 
was something I really needed to do.  I also decided that I am going to be 
clean for a while.  I need to be, I have to be.  That was the first and last 
time that the drugs controlled me and I didn't control the drugs, and it 
freaked me; and in turn, I was an ass to people I really care about, and even 
though I have said I'm sorry already, I'm saying it again....I'm really sorry 
that I allowed something to get the better of me...I know better now, but I 
should have knpown  better then.

to every one I met...you guys rock.  
You also better believe that my ass wil be shakin it down south again realy 
soon
(what was that Chris?  November 17th?  Nashville?)

ALSO in the works is a x-mas break Breaks run to toronto....all are invited.

that is about all for me (FINNNALLY), and it was really good to see everyone 
again, and I hope that everyone made it home safely.  Jj threw pone hell of a 
party, I only wish that it didn't have to end on the sour note of an 
overdose....


						Tigger
					(oh yeah...I should be in Chicago for
						FAmily Griive Kitchen
					so, I better see yo' funkee ass der,
						ya undastand?)

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hey everyone.  this isn't really rave related but i figure a party is a
party.  (actually my x-bf is throwing it and i told him i would try to get
people to go:)  theres nothing else to do in milwaukee (that early) and its
only $3.  i figure it will be fun.  something i don't do very often.  i like
rap and haven't really been into it as much lately.  lets all go check it
out.  heres the scoop.  

*******************SKITZO JAM*********************

Friday September 2, 1994

Lincoln Park Pavillion (in Milwaukee, near the Kaiser warehouse, its ok to
say that now right?)
7:30-12:00
damage $3
DJ Nasty will be spinnin' the rap jams
security enforced
drop me some mail if you have any questions at 
ellen@cyborganic.com
(im trying to use aol less often now that i am REALLY online:)
l8r

ellen


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is anyone from the milwaukee area going to Morph 1 in pittsburg this weekend
? if so do you have room for someone who really wants to go ? i can help
with gas or whatever...

thanx.
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i had such a good time! it was excellent!
even though there were set backs.. and yes, some of the setbacks
were tremendous... i had such a great time!
every person i wanted to see was there, except for one.. *ahem*  JIM!
but i knew he wasn't going to be there :(
it was soooo great to see you all, and to meet yous that i didn't already know! i'm glad we all got there and back safely
(some of our trips were a little longer than others *heehee* :))
i think that what j.j. was trying to accomplish with this evnt was done..
we all met and shared and helped each other through the use of this vibe
thingy we got going... 
so, even though we had to travel throughout kentucky to prove it could
be done.. WE DID IT :)  !!!
*i pat us all on the back for a job very well done*

you guys are the grooviest!

take care-

piglet*
donna so fucking glad she went to i.o. reed*

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I won't blare out the details of what happened at I.O.  I will however 
blare out what I learned from I.O., in the hopes that it will help other 
people.

     I have learned a lot from the whole rave culture.  I have found a 
peace, love , and unity that I can find no where else.  I have also found 
a very evil thing I can find no where else.  That is the drugs.  I am not 
condemning anyone for doing them, but I am also not saying that I like them.
After the problems I saw within our little group of friends that 
travelled togeher, and the bigger problems I saw at the rave in general, 
i have decided not to do drugs anymore.  I learned a lot about them, from 
them, and about others when I took them.  Chuck has said that he doesn't 
want me to do them anymore.  That is fine, but I want to quit for myself, 
not for someone else.  
     I also learned a lot about my friends this weekend, I learned who my 
true friends are and who isn't.
     I learned that it is okay to love more than one person.
     I learned that no matter how people react, I love doing things for 
them.  even if their reaction is not that of appreciation.

For anyone who saw me sunday morning, I kind of lost it big time.  I 
freaked out.  I didn't know who I was, or where I was, or really what was 
going on.  Today is Monday afternoon, and I'm still a little lost.  But, 
I thank anyone who took the time to talk to me, and try to help me 
through it.

A quick thank you for anyone who joined us Friday night at the rest area 
for pancakes!!!!!   Also, for anyone who took the goodwill clothes chuck 
and I donated!!!!

I love you all!!!!
Jen Hill (lollipop-demongirl-Pancake Goddess)

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Mark/Cathead here, with a big thanks to everyone for such a WOW
weekend. I really enjoyed the caravan friday nite/saturday, it was
great to meet you all. BIG THANKS to those of you like becca who took
on upon themselves to call the hotline for us, tell us what we
can/should do, and generally help us when we didn't know what to do.
Hi to all of you I met, you're too numerous to mention! Thanks to all
the dj's and organizers and vendors and so on.

Saturday, once it got dark and the main stage was set up and all the
lights and sounds around the main area were set up, I was just totally
amazed. That path down from the road into that valley, past the
trampoline, it was like a market area that humans have had for
thousands of years, yet so totally unlike anything I have seen before.
And that moon! Steppin' out! 

If there's anything we should do to help the organizers out, let us
know. And please someone tell us if the CDs are still available, I
never did see them.

Thanks again, WOW again, have a good rest this week.    Cathead

Mark Armantrout                     sound, water, magic, light, language
marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu           AJUST 8       PHISH
  "Parallel motions of different parameters or components or attributes
   may turn musical events back into acoustical events." -- H. Bruen

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HEy everyone...first off i wanna give JJ a BIG thanks
for throwin this event for us...he deserves a big ole
hug from everyone.  I got an idea while coming home on
sunday morning.  How bout making some IO shirts to help
JJ out with the money issues he went through this weekend...
IO was the grrrrreatest!  I had a wonderful time travelling
around and meeting everyone...especially at the rest area.
hope we can all do it again soon...until then!!!


                ...devin       
 ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu  
        ..."TriPtoNitE"

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i'm going to start off my review of the event with a big hug and a
thankyou to electric koolaide, tigger, and dawn for putting up with me on
the trip down there. (tigger is one hell of a driver!;) thanks for not
killing us!) sorry kris for not having faith in you about the
ride...slight miscommunication problem... 

let me just say that the caravan from hardees to the rest area was the
most surreal experience of my life. 30 carloads of ravers from all over
the country traveling together, stopping at a gas station, (the tales the
night attendant must tell!) and finally making it to a rest area. every
car had their hazard lights on...it was beautiful! 

everyone was so wonderful; hangin' out, giving out hugs, dancing to car
stereos. i think we made 70 new friends that night. 

after a few run-ins with the police saturday, all of us finally made it to
club renaissance. it looked like lexington had been taken over by ravers!
from ther we made it to the second sight. 

saturday night was incredible! thanks JJ!! i LOVE you!!! *kiss**hug* you
really made alot of people happy! 

diesel boy really ripped the shit up! billiebob and that other guy (can't
remember his name) were in-fucking-credible!=9 yum! i danced so hard that
my clothing and hair were completely soaked! 
 
to all of you who missed this event: the drive was worth every minute.  to
all of you who were there: hope to meet all of you again! 

love,
devil girl


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My name is Frnehc. I am looking for Kristine Jones.
She was last seen in Lexington. She left in a white
car. If you know with who she left, where she is or
anything, please contact me asap by E-mail or by
voice : 615-331-7174.

ThanX and pEace.


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This was a fat party. JJ did an incredible job.

Friday : The manager of the site (Jeff) was a total dick
to every one. He did not let me do a hot tab to get more
power for the sound and the lights. JJ and I had to deal
with this ass-hole the whole day and night.
The manager agreed to have the party until 7:00 am
then he changed his mind, and wanted of at 4:30 am
and then he shut it off at 1:00 am. I was ready to bust
his head. anyway, All the dj's did good. Efx kicked some
sirous ass. At the beginning, I went on the mic and Efx and I 
got everyone crazy. The after math on the camping site was 
pretty cool. Every one was meeting people, having fun.
I finally went to sleep in the trunck of my little Geo. My 
girlfriend shut the trunck on my head. That was a very nice
wake up call.

Saturday : around 3 pm, JJ contact me with the new site, so
I rushed there to set up the main sound and the light. I had a caravan
of 9 car following the big Penske truck (EFX was in it). I like to thank 
all the people that helped me set up. I was really tired. Packing and
unpacking 17000 lbs of equipment will kill a man quit.
JJ found enough genes to get at least the sound going. 
I did whatever I could to get some lights on. Sorry guys.
All the dj that spun did a good job. The vibe was intence. I have
never seen so many people in an open air event. Thanx to JJ,
we all meet. I think there was about 2500 people there (Friday
and Saturday).

My only regret : a stupid girl (China) ODed. Because of her, 
the party got shut down. This is a lesson to everyone,
don't ABUSE DRUGS. I said it before, and I shout it again :
THERE IS A LIMIT TO EVERY THING, DON'T PLAY WITH IT.
Excess will kill you. Moderation is a lot better. I am 26, I have 
been to a lot of raves (probably more than anyone else). I have
seen a lot of people fucking up there lives due to excess. Some are
dead. 

JJ Rules......


				Davis J. Bassan a.k.a. French E


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hey!!  im glad most people had fun at IO.  it sounds like it was a learning
experience in the least.  if anyone has any pictures from this past weekend
would you please let me know?  thanks a bunch!!

ellen


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at I.O. saturday afternoon i let someone play my new EFEX tape in thier car
while we were setting up. anyhow, i forgot to get it back from them and i
miss it very much. it was a guy and a girl in a red ford mustang. if anyone
knows who they are will they let me know how to contact them so i can get it
back ? thanks...
-- 


 *joe*
                                  "IMAGINATION. Use it as a weapon."
 jap2@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                                - Juno Reactor


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okay....
when I was standing across the street from club rennisance, mmingling and 
talking, just kinda hanging out...a very weird thought hit me.

as I scanned the crowd, watched the pan-sexual happenings in brightly colored 
gear, I realized that (in my head at least) it was just like the footage of 
Castro Street, San Fransisco, in the 70's.  WE are at a cultural epox.  WE 
are the movement.  WE have control....

	lets not fuck it up, okay?


			Tigger
		(there is such a thing as "too much of a good thing")

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Dear Fellow Netters,
	Well, it's Monday Afternoon and I am finally back fron the 
longest weekend in my life.  Was it worth it?  well, yes of course.  I 
won't bore you with the details of the party, but I will bore you with my 
take of it :)
	First and foremost, I really was glad toi meet so many of YOU 
wonderful netravers.  Lollipop and Chuck, little elf, and all you 
caravaners from milwaukee and indiana...all the people who met at 
Andrew's in Cinci...
	Yes Friday night sucked...we didn't get there in time, and on the 
way to the rest area, our car, with Bambi driving, got pulled over by one 
of Kentucky's finest...He got arrested for driving with a suspended 
liscense.  The suspension of his liscense was news to him, but no 
matter...it meant he spent 7 hours in jail, and it meant we (me, Nate, 
Bambi, Heather, and Jayvee, had to stay for court, which took place this 
morning).  He's free, (yeah) :)
	Ok, I did some E and it was MdmE not Mdma, and I Don't do acid, 
and this shit was like acid and E mixed, and I got dehydrated and freaked 
out for about 15 minutes...Jennifer, a WONDERFul human being working the 
smart-bar, talked me down, cooled me off, and shared some of her 
tranquility with me.  I then entered a higher state of consciousness, and 
felt elated for the next 8 hours.  I talked to so many people who had BAD 
drug experiences this weekend that it made me decide, yeah, i'm not doing 
drugs anymore, at least for a long time.
	China was one of the vravers who i finally got to meet in real 
life this weekend.  She seemed like a really sweet person.  When we all 
heard those sirens and saw the ambulance drive up to our site, I found 
myself walking over to see who it was, even though I really didn't want 
to know.  When I saw her, she was completely blue, and the paramedic was 
telling her he needed her to breath.  Needless to say, I got upset...I 
heard she was allright, that she didn't die...I don't know...When we all 
gathered around to hear the announcement, some people started yelling 
"fuck you JJ," and "she didn't die, so why is it over".   I'll llet those 
words speak for themselves, they said it.  :(.  Ok, I was pissed...
	Oh yeah, peace ou to Joan from SC :)...   
	Ok, to all you people who i raved with this weekend, I really do 
love you, but there was one strange drugged-out vibe at this thing, and I 
still am not finished sorting out exactly how I feel.
	I do know that PEOPLE are what is importan, not the style of 
music, clothes, sunglasses, etc...I was shown this over this weekend by 
anumber of people...Nate, Jennifer, Tigger, Kyle, All of the milwaukee 
and indy crew, tigger,---> bambi and Heather<--- (I hope your love grows 
:).  
		And life is PRECious so , please do not abuse yoursleves 
by sticking needles in your arms.  And if you need to do drugs to dance, 
you need to ask yourself a few questions (forgive the preaching)

Lots of LOVE LOVE LOVE to ALL of you

 love, ADam

"Live For Another Tuesday Night..."





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I want to say thanks. I want to scream it...

This weekend was a complete and unique experience for me. It was 
something totally new, something that is indescriptible with lenguage, 
something that it will be in my heart forever.

This weekend I saw love, I saw happiness, I saw friendship, I saw good 
will, I saw a dream made reality.

Thanks, thanks, thanks.

Thanks for every smile I received, thanks for every hug I received, 
thanks for being such wonderful persons.

You know, when I leaved my country one of my objectives was find a group 
of people who think like all of you. This weekend was beatiful.

I admire you all. I was watching and learning that no matter things could 
be you have to be optimist and things will be great. I saw that noone 
give up in any moment, and if someone tried to there was always someone 
next to him/her helping and transmiting good energy.

I saw love everywhere, I saw people help other people in the bad moments 
as i never saw it, it was a soul communication, a perfect thing. 

On Saturday night, i was watching the crowd dancing, and i was thiking 
about how much effort all these people did to be there. And it was wonderful.

Again, I loved every hug and every smile I received, THANKS.

Now I want to say YOU ARE THE BEST to the people I met this weekend 
(sorry if I forgot anyone): Adam, Nate, Bambi and Heather (my 
car/hotelrooms/orangejuice/pretzels/SOUL mates in this adventure); Sarah 
and Juggler; Sho, Acidophile, Mode, StevenJ, All of the Jays, and all the 
people of Milwakee; The Elf; Lollipop; Amy; Walker; Jennifer; Andrew; 
Ccode, Tintonton, Peggy Sue and the people of Columbus; Tigger. Thanks 
thanks thanks.

I hope soon we can be all together again sharing a wonderful thing as it 
was IO.

Sincerely.

Jayvee



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At this point I'd like to apoligize for 1.8.7 not being at Interstellar 
Outback. Due to things out of my control we were left without a ride 
there Friday. I really hoped it turned out well and JJ has my best 
wishes. There is a 1.8.7 track on the I.O. CD if you are interested in 
hearing 1.8.7. Also if you are up for it we will be at the Morph 1 rave
near Pittsburgh this Saturday. It should be a well wicked time so come. I 
suspect it will be one of the larger events of this year. 
					Joe






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Everyone I know almost went to IO and I didn't.  I even had dinner with 
a good part of the Indy crew last week and had talked to all of the 
Columbus crew about it.  I'm glad I ended up NOT going.  Everyone said 
they had a really good time and all and I'm exstatic for them.  But...  
It seems like the drug thing is getting into (and screwing up) more and 
more of the Midwest scene.  I don't mind if others chose to do it, but I 
do mind when that's the only reason they go and its starts to give the 
scene a bad name.  And the China incident pissed me off even more.  She's 
a *REALLY* cool girl too.  Haven't heard yet, but I hope she's alright.  
And what's the deal with getting shut down.  Everyone said it was fine, 
but it would have pissed me off.  I guess Lexington is just too close to 
Cincy.  Go figure.  And a good protion of the people scheduled nver even 
performed.  I do realize that there are always going to be 
problems--especially with bigger events.  I just wish things would work 
out better.  I love the Midwest scene and support it all I can.  I just 
hate it when I see other things undermining it--albeit unintentionally.  
I when to Zoinks! and will definitely be at Voodoo!  You should be too!  
Remember, support the scene, don't kill it (or yourself).  Now where is 
that bass cabinet tuner, it seems like the 15 Hz range is overlapping
the 20 Hz again.  

Later,
Polaris |9 (<--this is chop lickin' w/ a big grin if ya can't figure it out)
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First off, major props to JJ and his crew for this weekend.  When other
promoters would have called it quits, they trudged on determined to succeed.
I would personally like to thank JJ for all the work he did in putting IO
together.  It was no easy task.

I think Craig from Milwaukee said it best on vrave a few hours ago.  "It 
was the best of times, it was the worst of times."

I've had 36 hours since I got back from the event to collect my thoughts
on everything that went down.  Not everything is sorted out yet for obvious
reasons.  I still need to talk to some people about some things.

Friday evening, 7pm or so, the Indy/Purdue/Chicago caravan arrived in my
parking lot.  Wow.  so many people, about 25 or so.  Then Steve and Melissa
from Milwaukee showed up, and about half an hour later the two cars from 
Columbus showed up.  After some meeting, some photos, car packing, direction
sorting, sock run, and waiting, we were off to KY.

We arrived at the campground at 10:50pm.  Proceeded to the area to purchase
permits to park and camp, and they told us that they were sold out and there
was no more room to camp, and that we should leave.  We regrouped in some
sort of trading post parking lot, and while waiting, JJ pulled up in a 
pickup truck, and explained the situation.  He told us to wait there and
he would get us in.  About 15 minutes later a park ranger showed up and
told us we'd have to leave because the park was closed.  Bah.  We drove
back into Falmouth and parked in the Hardees lot.  A quick call to the 
info line indicated that the park was closed and the music had been 
stopped for 'quiet hours.'  People should meet in the Hardees lot and spring
for motel rooms and such.

A huge crowd began to gather.  Probably 50-70 people.  A couple cars began
to pound out the techno, inconsiderate of the mobile home community directly
behind the Hardees fence.  Do people have no clue or what?  "Hey, could you
turn that down please?"  "Why?"  duh.

A few minutes later a cop pulled into the lot.  People started to slowly 
walk towards their car, but they stopped when the cop picked up his 
microphone.  "Y'all can go back to the park.  they've opened up the concert."
Hoops and hollers went about, and people scampered in their cars to get 
back to the park.  Sure enough, they were letting us into a parking lot.
We parked the cars, and proceded to walk up this hill towards the lodge
where the music was going.  Not too many people were inside, but a lot 
were outside milling about.  I guess about an hour later the music 
stopped and something was mumbled over the PA.  Word was passed that they
were shutting the sound down, and those without campsites should find 
motels and call the info-line or rest at a rest-stop on the highway.  The
idea of being at a rest stop all night didn't sit easy with me at all.  So
after some careful consideration I invited some net people to crash at my apt
in Cincy.  I couldn't take everyone because I don't live in a mansion, but
it was pretty packed I'd say.

Saturday afternoon some of the people went out for food; others went shopping
at thrift stores.  A few stuck around the whole time.  We got word of the 
new site around 6:30pm, gathered our stuff, and headed off to the new site.

Let me just state here that leading caravans of cars sucks.  :)

We got in at 9pm, paid $4 to camp, and proceeded to meet people and set 
our gear up.  The set up of the camp was nice.  In the middle of the tents
some guy on two tables was tearing them up with some pretty good breaks.
This shut down later so people could sleep.  :)

The main area was a good walk away.  And a good idea too, so people could
sleep without *THUMP THUMP* all nite/day long.  I went over and scoped
out the area.  Saw the DBN guys, along with Kurt playing some Polygon
Window.  I swear, he continues to suprise me.  If he does house or disco
next time I see him, I'll do something rash.  Well, maybe.  On the main
floor/area some guy was doing gabber-ish stuff, and about 20 people were
dancing.  I checked out the vendor tables and headed back to the camping 
area, not feeling the urge to dance.  I stayed there most of the evening,
striking up some decent conversations with those hanging around there.
Pretty good time.  Went to bed at 3am or so.

I awoke on Sunday morning around 8am to see a lot of people staring in
a general direction.  Apparently a woman had OD'd on Heroin.  An ambulance
came in the camp, and about 10 minutes later another one did.  When they
left, the woman supposedly was doing ok.  At that point the party kinda
died.  JJ said the music wouldn't come on, but after a little while they
were gonna turn it on for an hour or so for people to dance before going 
home.  Now I can respect their intentions of doing that, but after seeing
the ambulance leave, I had no desire to dance.

People started to pack up their stuff and go.  I didn't want to take my
tent down when it was wet, so I waited around.  After a while, word got
around that the state troopers wanted us to leave, or they'd tear gas the 
place.  I myself thought it was an empty threat.  We packed up, and a few
cars of net.ravers followed me back to my apt (btw, did I say that 
leading caravans sucks?) to catch a few hours of shut eye before hitting 
the road again.

Overall, I did have a lot of fun this weekend, and seeing so many faces 
at once (especially in my parking lot) was really cool.  But the low 
points of the weekend were really low.

Over the next couple of days there is going to be some interesting 
conversation on this list I think.  I'd urge you all to read it carefully
and think a bit.

I may have some more to say later.  But again, thanks so much JJ for
everything!!



Andrew
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(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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Polaris Once Upon a Time Said ::

> And what's the deal with getting shut down.  Everyone said it was fine, 
> but it would have pissed me off.  I guess Lexington is just too close to 
> Cincy.  Go figure.

'Cuse me, but what the hell is that supposed to mean?

Let's do a little analogy here.  A friend convinces you to let him throw a
party in your house/apartment/abode whatever.  You agree, on the condition
that no substances be brought in.  That request is blatantly ignored, and
someone ends up getting taken off in an ambulance from your friends' party.
What would you do?  Continue partying?  How thoughtless!!


> And a good protion of the people scheduled nver even 
> performed.  I do realize that there are always going to be 
> problems--especially with bigger events.  I just wish things would work 
> out better.

I know that enough funds couldn't be secured to bring everyone in; seeing
that this was a FREE party, I think no one has any right to complain about
the lineup.  'nuff said.


Andrew
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(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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The Following is Courtesy of: 'Jennifer Lynn Hill'
> 
>      I have learned a lot from the whole rave culture.  I have found a 
> peace, love , and unity that I can find no where else.  I have also found 
> a very evil thing I can find no where else.  That is the drugs.  I am not 
> condemning anyone for doing them, but I am also not saying that I like them.

	Do you mean to say that you have never seen drugs anywhere else??
	Drugs are everywhere.....even in Grade schools and especially 
	high schools.. I think the midwest scene is becoming dependent on
	LSD, E, and the thousand adulterants that look like E and Acid..
	More the E, though.. is ecstasy worth the risk when the chemicals
	to make it are banned and 9 times out of 10 you aren't getting E
	but you're getting some bowlshit which may or may not fuck you up,
	trip you out, or E you??? 
	But think about this...
	and just think about it...since everyone has differing opinions,
	I am not trying to cause problems.. and i really shouldn't have to 
	write a disclaimer because everyone has differing opinion...
	this is mine:
	ON - E:

	These are my reactions to the accounts of my friend's experiences

	E is supposedly the happiest eXperience in your life... 
	right?  like nothing compares etc...and she said you spend your
	time always thinking about how happy you were...and there is nothing
	that compares to a true E experience?? am I right anyone???
	well.. is what you are feeling real?  and if so, are you able to feel
	those feelings without the E?  if so then why take the E in the first
	place?  And really, how real is a relationship with someone if each
	person in that relationship is always partying on E or A or something.
	because when you come out of the altered state, you are left with 
	reality... and reality is real.... reality is in the eye of the
	beholder....but I have come to realize that drugs in general, not just
	E, show you something else.. not reality.. maybe a warped tripped out
	cool looking version, but not reality... and reality is really
	cool if you take the time and appreciate it... Look at people, look
	at the trees, the grass, the clouds contrasting against a blue sky
	watch a few dozen sunsets, admire a few rainbows, and enjoy the rain,
	sleet, snow, thunder, lightning, everything in life... because they
	are super cool.. Drugs.... I dunno..... they're everywhere.. and
	it is your own choice to do them.. but consider your reasons and motives
	and why your doing them....consider the next day after a trip or
	a drinking binge, etc.. wasted days and hang overs, and recovery, etc
	is no fun... the night may be fun.. but the day is incredible..
	even raves: fancy colored lights and kickin' music is very cool..
	but like I said.. if you're into colors.. check out a sunrise
	or a sunset they are cool.. but ah well.. I am just musing my thoughts
	peace.. and enjoy life.. in any frame of mind....

	Reality is in the eye of the beholder....


-- 
-Kus	 	 ~Living in the Circle of Illumination Between Night and Day~
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Gregory M. Kus                     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu	                 CCSO Short Course Instructor
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wow.........
highs and lows
I still dont really know whatto think about this weekend.
All and all, i would have to say it was great.
I saw soooo many friends.
It was a bummer that there was so much hassle and
so little music up till saturday nite.
But this was uncontrolable.
It did however, give me tha chance to actually hang out
and really chat with some people i really never knew outside
tha whole "scene" aspect.
And meet tons of people i had never seen,
but talked to on a regular basis.
*wow....computers*
I'll have to say the weekend definately brought me closer to those people
I already knew. 
I would like to give shouts, but i know id miss someone,
besides you know who you are.
And I think yer rad!
Saturday nite was definately sooper dooper wierd!
Fun, but really wierd!
I was a wreck.
This was caused by tha Emotional state i was in that made
me worry to an unhealthy extent about the people that i really
care about who were having problems.
And boy did I worry!
I did however, have a beutiful bonding experience with possibly
the most wonderful person on the planet.
Who i now know will be one of my best friends for tha rest of my life.
This was a strange weekend.
strange can be a good thing,
strange can be a bad thing.
This was a strange weekend.
*JJ, thank you so much for bringing this to us! You are deffinately a wonderful
person for bringing all of us together to share in such amazing thing. I know
it didnt work out completely as planned, but just the thought of your
intensions, and what you wanted to give to us is extrodanary! I hope your at
peace with the aliens!*
there seems to be more that i want to say, but there is already enough
stuff on the net that i'm sure you get tha point.
-peace and hugs-
*spacElinus*   kyle

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Gregory M. Kus  sez:

>Drugs are everywhere.....even in Grade schools and especially 
 high schools.. I think the midwest scene is becoming >dependent on
 LSD, E, and the thousand adulterants that look like E and Acid..

i think this is where i come in.  i have wanted to say this for awhile and i
think now is an appropriate time.  im a senior in high school.  im one of
very few "ravers" at my school.  the only net.raver.  i went to my first rave
2 years ago and its all ive wanted to do since:).  there are plenty o drugs
at my school.  mostly pot but a lot of kids are doing acid pretty often.  no
e as far as i know.   yeah i smoke pot (rarely at raves cuz i get too tired)
and i have done acid a very select few number of times in certain safe and
protected atmospheres (ie my house and furthur:) and a few others).  never
done e cuz i don't trust any of the stuff around here.  i consider myself
pretty damn responsible.  i think most kids are bored with life in the
suburbs and thats why they do em.  i don't blame em.  i for one am lucky
enough to have found a drug thats better than tripping, the rave itself.
 when i am at a party i am happy enough just to be there that i don't really
feel the need to be on anything else.   i spent my summer in NYC and it was
pretty scary.   some people there do herion and some other stuff ive never
heard of at parties.  we had many a discussion on ne-raves about the ny
situation.  all i kept saying is "in the midwest its not like this.  people
there are more into the vibe and not the drugs".  of course i know its around
here but i never thought of it as the main reason people go to parties.  as i
read all these IO posts i feel sick to my stomach.  im glad i didn't go.
 whats happening to us?  why does it take ambulances to make people open
their eyes?  i just don't get it.   do whatever drugs you want, just pleez
pleez pleez be responsible.  thats whats most important.  pleez don't let
them ruin this beautiful thing we all have had a part in creating and keep it
growing healthy and strong.  let the music and the vibe keep you going.
 don't let yourself get sucked into the other stuff.  i know drugs like e had
a big part in creating the scene in the first place but that was when it was
safe.  if you don't trust it, don't do it.  come talk to me instead, im lots
of fun!:)  i look up to so many of you for one reason or another.  i kinda
feel like the baby here and i know that you all look out for me.  i think
many of us feel part of this vfamily.  i don't wanna see any of my
net.brothers or sisters in trouble.  ok?  i think that raps it up.  thanks
for reading this all the way through if youve made it this far:)  i hope to
see many of you at FGK!  my first mw event in 2 months!!  

l8r

ellen steuer
ellen@cyborganic.com (my new address:)

"groove is in the heart"- lady miss kier

(its a classic but it makes a strong point)


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yeah, IO was fucking cool, props to billeebob and paris for showing the hype
side of spinning, at spastik richie did mixer slamming in a t-shirt of "fuck th
e new wave of the new wave" yeah dropping phat beats to dance to not necessaril
y pulling the farina school of flawless "how many records did he spin? 5 or 50?
" school of the mix boogay -- but dropping the right in at the right time.
  bpblennyt urt bplennyt urt bplennyt yert plennyt yert  -    -  there is no pl
  anet eart plannyt urt plannyt urt der iz now plannyt urt
yep. had lotsa fun wish i'd been in wit more of the confusion (fri+day sat) but
 chuck (stretch) had to work satydee. lotsa fucked up people, delicious but i h
eard many a conversation containing a weirdout -- musta been some wAtEr polluti
on at the campground... yeah and someone ODored the campground SUN morning, tha
t smacks of fine dining plates, made of -- white, yep. why can't kids find some
thing healthier, like pottery, things that don't get so much attention and hubb
ub. i'd rather see people showing kindness and selling hair rugs than peddling
imported crystal and china. the uptempo psychedelics have been getting sketchy
of late, the only i've done all summer is a hot sun and a saucer, i gave up tan
ning all together in june. all i can say is do your thang but don't go and kill
our buzz by trying to visit Corpus Christi in KY, please. god knows i'm not ant
i-drug (pastor John Hagee on TBN insists so at least), i just say amen to calls
 of moderation, jesus you ain't sneaking a glass of coke from the refrigerator
anymore, this stuff does more than keep you up, when you get handed your papers
 or receive a communion wafer (funny that) it is a very eu-/di-stressful thing
that our society's ignorance has discarded the manuals to, a tools that are bre
thren to the ancient rulers of civilization (how hyperintellectually gasped). t
o dink with such can be rewarding, but its a dangerous game, so play careful.
   SORRY BOUT PREACHIN!
                               pax cannabis et cogito

                               acid toy (pual)

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Well folks, my take on the whole thing is that it is incredibly
disheartening to see so many people put out so much effort and
enthusiasm just to be crushed by a combination of an
intolerant police state and our own stupidness with chemicals.
What I mean is that everyone was there and ready to go,
including myself, and no matter what we did something was
waiting there to fuck us up.  All the good vibe was slipped
in between the cracks of the bullshit like the great show
that was going on until one o'clock on friday night--that was
really happening and out there, and then the walk back to the
campground in the middle of the night with the frogs buzzing and
the crickets doing there thing--but hell man, I'm a sensitive
person and I have a hard time maintaining a good emotional state
when I am being terrorized by police cause man that circus back at
the campground--police with clubs out and shit was just plain scary.
I really respect everyone for maintaining a cheery vibe in the face
of all that, like the guys that got the sound system going back at
the campground that night and into saturday.  And then it was
looking like we had pulled it together again at the new site
and it was looking good again on saturday night, but myself,
I was so tired from running around all day and so traumatized by
the night before that I wasn't able to just forget everything
and dance joyfully--I just sat back on the hillside and enjoyed
the music and planned on really letting loose on sunday -- I had
brought a couple of projectors and twenty or thirty film loops
that I intended to set up when I was ready.  Then when it got shut
down due to a heroin overdose that sort of knocked the wind out of me
and I went home.  If anybody knows what finally happened with that
please let us know--my heart goes out to that person.

Everybody put out a hell of alot of effort to do this thing and if
the police would have let us be it would have invariably been
the great love experience that we all hoped for and craved.
We just got a bad shake. As far as the bad drug experiences
I've seen posted, it might have had to due with the feelings left
over from the friday night bust--the recognition of the fact
that straight society just seems to hate us.

I'm sorry if this post seems overly negative.  I'm just trying to deal
with all this.

Peace and love,

Marck Josef & the Brain Farm --don't want to get high, want to be high--





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I really hope that some of you read this and just don't delete my mail 
because it is drug-related.  If you do or don't do drugs, it may help you...

Let's see...It's been a while since I've been on MWraves.  This summer I've
had a delightful time in Pittsburgh getting to know the kru there.  I had a
relationship with this outstanding girl, but like all relationships it had
a problem.  She did drugs and I was 100% opposed to the use of drugs.  Not 
that I forbid my friends from doing what they want...I say everyone has a 
free will that I can't screw with and if you want to do something that I don't
agree with, that's ok, just don't try to push me into it, know what I mean?

I'll just say that I sat back and watched her do stuff that made me feel like
she was alienating herself from me.  Silly for me to mention that I felt bad
about it because it would contradict all that I told her--that I would always
be accepting no matter what she decided to do.  Obviously what I knew intel-
lectually differed from what I felt in my heart.

This has a lot to do with how I've felt at raves where my friends are tripping.
I tend to feel alienated there, too.  I just didn't know why I felt that way;
in fact, everyone I spoke to about it told me that I shouldn't.  So I was 
just as confused as ever before this weekend.  It was some consolation to me,
though, that I had some friends here at school who stayed sober with me at
raves...


well...


Fast forward to my arrival at school.  Since I've been gone, a lot has
happened to my friends.  I understand how people change....  Let's just say
that I couldn't rely on them being sober at raves anymore.  No big whoop,
right?  Well, there's that feeling problem...

Two things led me to a big decision this past weekend at IO.  The first was
that I wanted to know exactly why I felt angry at my friends for doing drugs.
After all of the self-analyzation I could possibly do, I realized that unless
I know their point of view, I could never understand mine.  I had to experience
that which I was morally opposed to at the core.  Why not?  After all, everyone
else had left for the great beyond leaving me in the dust...This was the second
reason.

I made the decision to trip.  Mostly because I didn't have the cash for E.
But I wouldn't tell anyone because I didn't want anyone to know that I was
stepping out of character.  Later I'd regret this decision.  A friend set me
up with half of a tab.  I must have been pretty worked up over the decision
because I passed out right after I took it.  For the next few hours I had
incredible stomach pains and my body felt like lead and I couldn't dance and
I was freaking out that nobody was helping me and that I couldn't dance.  
Luckily I did find a friend who helped me back to my site, where I spent
about an hour sobbing uncontrollably.

After I came down, I had some good discussions about what happened.  Thank
you to Jay Knight, Steven J. and Melissa, and especially Chuck who helped
me fight off Hello Kitty which really wasn't Hello Kitty, rather my backpack.

I learned:
1)  The only reason I felt mad was that my friends know that drugs are a line
    I wouldn't cross and even thought they know that, they took drugs anyhow
    while I was around.  This was a slap in the face to me, since it is an
    experience that we couldn't enjoy together.

2)  That I yam who I yam and that's all that I yam.  I'm just not the type of
    person who uses drugs.  I enjoy the clean vibe I get from the music and
    lights and dancing my ass off all night.  In a sense, I was trying to 
    change myself to fit in...which isn't right.  I'm not gonna change my
    (humbly) wonderful self.  Everybody says I'm permanantly 20 hits anyhow...

3)  I'm not doing any drug again.  In fact, I learned that I should start 
    looking for a group of people to hang out with at raves who stay sober...
    not out of inconvenience or temporary interruption, but out of principle.
    If you are like this, please tell me.  Folks say that there are sober
    people out there, but so far I haven't met more than 2(Found this out 
    after I tripped).

It's funny...to me at least, IO seemed to be the apex of all the drug use
I've ever seen at a rave.  China Girl's ODing gives some validity to my
opinion.  And there are still people, even intelligent NET people, who won't
admit that there's something wrong going on.  People who even shrug off an
over dose as a minor set back in the festivities.  How could anyone feel
festive after that?  I guess there are a few...

Thank you, JJ for going through with IO despite major setbacks.  I think that
this event had to happen in order for us to realize that maybe we are headed
in the wrong direction.  We banded together as a tribe, braving police, 
caravans, uncomfortable sleeping arrangements, and back-country roads, only
to get our minds fucked when we got there.   

peace.

jay
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drugs.  i don't know, it's such a touchy topic within our scene.  so many 
different levels of use and reasons for use.  these are kind of my thoughts.

drugs and reality.  what the fuck is reality?  can it be run away from??  
does it even exist???  i mean, if someone does acid then the fact that 
trees have arms that are petting the river is totally "real" to them at 
that time--even if society disagrees.  reality is not an absolute, it's 
not defined, it has no rules.  each person creates their own reality, 
and ALL expiriences go towards its formation.

however, drugs can/often show you things that aren't necessarily yours, 
that you haven't worked for and aren't always able to understand.  
they let you think that you can keep these things.  if you aren't prepared 
this can fuck you up.  
you've got to keep a grip.  

you are responsible for your actions at all times.  
if you do something while high, you still must be willing to pay the 
concequences 'cause you are the one who did it.  both the action and the 
drug.



ok, breif personal confession time.  
was e the best time of my life?   no, that's why i only did it and will 
only do it once.  it was very nice and very easy, but i swear when 
astroboy spins and i'm dancing i feel 100x better and it lasts just as 
long with a smoother cool down and fewer side effects. 
do you know how fuckin' incredible/powerful our music is? 

i show most the symtoms of rolling when i'm sleep deprived (which is most 
the the time), and when i'm happy (which is also a great deal of the 
time).  i'm one of those insane people who love life to damn much and 
basically end up rolling through it.

i think what these last two paragraphs are trying to be is an apology to 
everyone i met this weekend and who i let think i was rolling.  i was 
both very happy and very sleep deprived.  i was 
missleading and i love you all to much to be that unfair.  i think i was 
afraid of coming of a "preachy".    my life is to fucking surreal



anyway.  those are my thoughts of the moment.  i'll reread them,  which 
will make them of two moments, but they'll never be stuck in stone.

i love you all.
i'm going to sleep now. (my first expirience with an actual bed since wed.)
thank you for contributing to the most fuckin' incredable weekend of my life.
i love you all.

electric koolaide

btw.  jay's post just came in and i just read it.  amen to the whole thing.
my feeling are the same, i'm just thankful my one and only drug expirence 
was peaceful.  glad you came through yours.

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   Jay Wells was dead on with his point about being fucked up at raves.  In
my opinion, there's just way too much going on with the vibe and the people
to be out on Jupiter somewhere...if you are out in the crowd and then suddenly
wig out, for example....what then?  Your good time is ruined, and so is that
of the people around you when they have to come to your rescue or avoid getting
hurt by you.

    My understanding was that the whole idea behind the rave experience was to
let the music and the atmosphere be what takes us to new heights. It gives
the experience that keeps us coming back for more.  Drugs are here to stay, and
they have their good side, but depending on them rather than the vibe to enjoy
raving is ridiculous.  People need to rethink why they rave in the first place.
Once we forget it's possible to be in control AND be free at the same time,
everything we've put together will go to shit---the scene and everything real
that we associate with it.  Just a thought. *;^)

                                                               !
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                                                     * ~+ + * ...... *
"God created man, but I could do better..."       + ~ + + *  ........  *
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o.k. guys... something is happening and i'm not sure what.
but it's really time we do something about it.
i was sitting with my friends last night, and we were discussing th4e
current state of affairs... namely the rave scene and the drug use in it.

kidz, we've gotta start being more careful.
we're gonna kill scene. it's gonna undoubtedly happen
just lately, i've heard of drugs in the scenes, in both the mid-west
and the north-east that i've never heardof in it before.
shit like mescaline and crystal meth. major use of smack, coke.
COME ON PEOPLE! it is shit! it's way too dangerous and way too over our heads!

as for extasy... that's a whole other story...
the shit going around in both scenes lately is totally wack.
it's being cut with everything and anything.
people are having really rough times with it
it's just getting tooo dangerous... 
at interstellar, my best friend in the whole world was knocked
almost unconcious by her e, she just laid there all night, unable to talk 
aor anything. it's getting too scary!

so, what do we do? it's not like we're gonna stop going drugs..
it's not like the scene will become straight edge *rolleyes*
we all want to have clean safe fun.. and this used to be the case
but it's not right now, and we're gonna have to live with it,
till things take a turn for the better...
i'm taking a break off of e for a while, not that my experiences have
been that bad with it personally, i'm just afraid of what could happen.
the most i'm gonna do is trip, maybe at parties no
w, but i'm not even sure
about that...
the saddest thing about this all, is that i don't even remember what it
is like to be completely sober at a party and have a fantastic time...
but, i really think that i will be sober at the next party i go to.
honestly. if not for my own good, for the benefit of my friends.
when brandy was laying on the ground last weekend, unable to do shit,
i coulnd't believe that i was too fuct up to do anything about it.
all i could do was find people that could help her, and believe me,
i'm sooo thankful for all of your help... thanx so much
it's so awful, being unable to do anything for the people you love the most.
but from now on... i plan on being someone you can depend on.. 
someone like the amy i was before i started doing drugs.
funny thing is... all summer... we didn't have any of these problems.
so, i guess we didn't worry about freaking out, or ifour freinds
were gonna have a bad trip, we were gonna have tons of fun.
however, this isn't the case presently.
dealers are selling wack shit... and they get it from chemists cutting
it with sooperwack shit.
we're gonna have to take a break for now.
if we all stop for a while, the dealers and chemists will get the hint.

we are a family, this we all realized at interstellar, the way we
all pulled together to stay together, to have a great time, to
share with each other, this should prove to you how important this
scene is to us... it has to me.
i don't know what i would be doing right now if it wasn't for
the rave scene, and i know fersure that i wouldn't have the
freinds i have now..  and they are great freinds...
so, people, let's take care of that which we love, and get shit like
crystal meth and smack out of it...
i'm not saying that e and acid is o.k...
it's not. 
let's clean up before we move on... kinda like a rebirth of the scene
as a whole.
we can do it. i know we can :)
i love you all, and please please be careful...

piglet*
donna fucking reed*

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The other guy who spun with bileebob was paris from detroit, they go by 
heckyll and jeckyll when they tag team.  =)
Jen (lollipop-demongirl-Pancake goddess)

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This is in reply to davis bassan's review.....
  He stated 'some stupid girl (china) o'ded.'
  I find it ahrd to believe how some people reacted to this incident.  I 
can not believe the lack of compassion I have seen in my fellow ravers.  
The ones who are the firsst to preach 'peace, love and unity' were the 
first to say 'that chick overdosing ruined my party.'
    I know it was something that was out of all of our control, but it is 
also somehting that all of us can help to stop.  This incidence should 
have been a learning experience for everyone.  After this incidence, I 
couldn't believe that they wanted to turn the music back on.  I couldn't 
dance, I couldn't even get the vibe back up enough to understand whow 
anyone coiuld dance.  Oour group spent the time together, trying to help 
each other through it.
     I don't think it is right to condemn china for what happened, and if 
there is any way I can be of help to here, or do anything (ANYTHING) for 
her, I would be happy to.  I don't really know here, but she is part of 
the 'rave family', which therefore makes her part of my family and an 
automatic friend in my eyes.
  I think before people speak and condemn, they should think about what a 
rave means to them, and what the 'peace, love, and unity means to them.
  
Jen (lollipop-demongirl-pancake goddess)

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Morph 1 needs mre vendors as we have alot of space for them and want to 
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I see drugs everywhere, but I have never seen them to the extent that I 
see them in the rave culture.
I have probably seen more problems and deaths from drug s then anyone out 
there.
I used to work at the office of medical investigator's in Albuquerque NM, 
we did all of the autopsies for the entire state, all the unexplained and 
questionable deaths (this means all the homicides, most of the suicides 
and most of the cdrug overdoses)
Drugs are everywhere, but in the rave scene, it gets to be more and more 
blatant.  more and more obvious that that is all that many people find in 
the scene.  That is not all that I find in the scene, I find many many 
other things in the scene.
I'm not preachinbg against drugs, I'm just asaying that I think there is 
a problem, and because of this, I will not be indulging anymore.
A person has to make their own decision.
jen (lollipop-demongirl-pancake goddess)

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IO managed to capture the best and the worst aspects of our
scene in one swell foop.  On the plus side, we managed to
stay together and have fun as we drove from campsite to
parking lot to gas station to rest stop, and jj (and others)
jumped through hoops to keep the vibe going despite
setbacks.  There were times when I felt a great unity which
I don't always feel.

On the minus side, we had a lot of problems with drug use.
I know this topic has already been hashed around quite a
bit, but I need to get this off my chest.

I am not advocating an end to drug use within our scene.
While it would solve many problems, it's not realistic and
it's not even clear that it would be good for our scene.
What I am advocating is that we be more careful with
ourselves and with each other in this and all areas of our
lives, and that we try to maintain some perspective about
what is truly important.

We live in a world filled with difficult choices.  I feel as
if our generation is left to face these difficulties without
the support of our parents, society, and government, all of
whom seem painfully out of touch.  Instead of teaching us
about safe sex, many of our parents pray that we stay
celibate.  And instead of telling us about the relative
dangers of illegal drugs in an honest way, our parents and
our government tell us blatant lies which leave kids in the
dangerous position of having to guess at the real truth.

This weekend, I think we've seen that we're not always able
to make the right choices.  That's ok.  Everyone makes
mistakes.  What we need to do is to make sure that we do our
best to be safe in the future.

1) Spend some time thinking about your drug use and try to
   draw some boundaries.  What do you consider to be safe
   enough to try, and what do you consider to be too
   dangerous?  Go to the library and read up on it.  Talk to
   people who have had bad experiences and see if this
   changes your mind.  If you don't think about this ahead
   of time, it is easy to make bad spur-of-the-moment
   decisions.

2) Make sure you trust the person you are getting your stuff
   from.  There are lots of jerks out there who will sell
   you one thing while telling you it's something else.
   ...And remember... even when it's someone you trust, you
   never really know what it is you are getting.

3) Learn to enjoy raves sober.  If you go to a rave with the
   attitude that you won't have fun without being on
   something, then you are putting yourself in a dangerous
   position.  Have you ever taken a wafer that you suspected
   was cut with heroin?  Why did you do it?  Wouldn't it
   have been better to just go sober that night?  Is going
   to a rave with a clear head really so awful?

   If you find yourself taking something at every single
   event, it might be instructive to try going to an event
   sober.  Go into it with a positive attitude... you may
   find yourself having a good time!  

4) Take care of your friends.  If someone you care about is
   doing something dangerous, take him or her aside and try
   to talk about it.  It's difficult to do, but these kinds
   of choices are hard to make alone.  We all need each
   other.

5) Make sure that drugs and the rave scene are not screwing
   up your life.  Parties are fun, but it's not worth
   dropping out of school for, or losing a job over.  

In our scene, we seem to concentrate on having fun at all
costs.  We drive ridiculous distances to get blitzed out of
our minds and dance for hour after hour after hour.  After
each weekend, we spend the rest of the week recuperating
instead of doing something productive.  What we lack in our
scene is perspective.

The scene won't survive if we keep being irresponsible.  We
need to make sure that our scene remains something positive.
We can't do that if we keep acting as dangerously and as
irresponsibly as we have been.  We, as a scene, need to
learn from our mistakes and grow from them.

And on a personal level, try to think about what is most
important in your life, and where you want to be 30 years
from now.  Try to balance out the fun parts of your life
with the others.  Challenge yourself to become a better
person every day.

Please be careful, guys.

-Sho
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                            having for lunch!

<A HREF="http://physics.purdue.edu/~sho/homepage.html">Sho Kuwamoto</A>.

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Just got back to check my mail, and i feel like im missing something. I am
amazed at what you pple down there settle for. Here's MY account... I and 2
other ppl drove down from Minneapolis to Cinci in about 12 hours. a bum
ride, but hey,this sounded like THE party of the summer, right? + my mom
lives in cinci, so we slept & woke up early on fri., repacked our shit, and
were about to leave at 10:30, when i said, hey, just for kicks, why dont i
check the line once more. SSPLAT! the party's been canceled. ok. whatever.
it only got worse, in my opinion. ok, what WAS promised exactly? A
TOTALLY,UTTERLY free gathering for several thousand ppl for three
days.Three sound systems traveling around the site all weekend. what was
delivered by the promoter? one weak ass, and i mean WEAK ass sound system
that went for oh, 4 hours on friday nite,one 12.50 and (theoreticaly) one 4
dollar camping charge, one big hassle, one LONG, Dissapointed ride home. i
wanna know (and frankly, i think i DESERVE to know) what in sam hain this
JJ thot he was gonna pull off? sure i know about the early campers farting
off about woodstock, and i talked to the kid that worked the store by the
lake who said he told Doc it was " gonna be a buncha gay people
slam-dancin'", but what do you expect from the Kentucky State Park Service
and State Police??? if i had known it was to be held on a STATE PARK
campground i never woulda drove down. It was total wack. i got approached
THREE times by some pussy asking me for "donations" for the party, cause
they need to pay the cops 80 dollars an hour. The cherry on top was that
the music sucked, at least on friday: one hour of snoozy mid-tempo
"techno", what must have been 1 hour of a really crappy P.A. by some
jokester from lexington, and one hour of passe' gabber bullshit, which all
the backass Kentucky ravers ate up, yum yum. My only respect goes out to
D.J. Tantrum from Chi, who brought out the only vibe at Kincaid Lake with
his SPONTANEOUS mobile setup rite next to our campsite, joined later by the
Illuminator Kru.. And no, i didnt go to the other site , because my
traveling companions were totally disgusted wit fri. good thing too,
because all it took to shut that one down was some dummy (oh thats DUMMY as
in : a young girl who takes HEROIN for kicks at a rave)
hyperventilating.These are all problems that came up suddenly, sure, but
this was undoubtedly, the most poorly orgfanized event this size i have
been to. FREE SHMEE, why werent the organizers standing rite there paying
for my campsite if they were so concerned with it being free? NOT that i
WOULDNT have minded paying MORE, if it had been the reel...My biggest Bitch
is the sound tho ultimatly. If thats the kinda sound Y'ALL are used to down
yonder in tha holler, weeeell, at least Y'ALL aint gonna go deaf. 
hee-yuck.  at least i didnt take the tabs i had with me; ill save em for
the next Mpls rave. Ill never bitch about waiting in line to go to the
bathroom at a Minneapolis party again, cause we got SEErEEus Flava and
Kickin wattage. Furthur was far more tha shit even wit da Kold. Maybe i
woulda hada better time if i had hooked up wit the Net Ppl in the area, but
ive been off line most of the Summer. oh, btw, Kentucky, your cops suck
more then ours do. 

                           bored and broke, 
                                             Allen/Para


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Sadly I must announce that I'll be losing net access... for now.

I am withdrawing from UWGB--- pussy ass Green Bay "College".

Next semester I'll be going to school in Milwaukee... and moving there.

I'm still throwing a party with Paul (UNIQUE) in November... I'll have someone
post it if I can't.  It will be another Green Bay party.

I'm not unsubbing yet-  I'm going to see if maybe the university fucks up and
leaves my account... I figure if they take away my account the mailing list
thing won't work anyways.

To anyone who needs to get in touch with me here is what ya need to know:

Kimm Follett, 2919 Holland Road,  Green Bay, WI  54313-7097
414-434-2701 or voice mail  414-234-4214

I guess that's it.  I will miss you all and all of this gossip shit on the net 
:) I can say that I will miss the posts from Steven J. White, Craig (archon),
and Andrew Bennett  the most.. You guys always have interesting things to say.

Anyways... I'll miss ya-- Gill, Tigger, Mr. JP,  Jim, FrenchE, JJ, Dave
Hollands, Acid Boy Todd P., Amy (Piglet), Brad (Synergy) Snuggles,
Craig, Steven, Andrew, Joe, Dan ModE, Sam (Sunshyne), Brad Butzke, Matt
(alpacino), Sheri H.  (write to me!), Smellen, Devin Gray, and anyone I'm
missing... 

   Take Care!!!!   Kimm Follett  (Ever After)

 

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allen@augsburg.edu  posted some lame ass bitch message about IO.

Fuck OFF!! Go to hell.  If your attitude is that negative about so many things
than you obviously are in the wrong scene.

DJ Tantrum??? Please... I've never seen such a wimpy ass fucker begging for
attention ... not to mention a shit DJ with a bad attitude and a stupid zine

Wow-  I think this is my first bitch message!

Kimm Follett :)


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On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, Paul Allen wrote:

> Just got back to check my mail, and i feel like im missing something. I am
> amazed at what you pple down there settle for. 

Unless you live in a perfect world the rest of us have missed out on,
you'd do well to accept that things don't always go as planned.

> were about to leave at 10:30, when i said, hey, just for kicks, why dont i
> check the line once more. SSPLAT! the party's been canceled. ok. whatever.
> it only got worse, in my opinion. ok, what WAS promised exactly? A
> TOTALLY,UTTERLY free gathering for several thousand ppl for three
> days.

See above.  What's wrong, did you leave home with no money in your pocket?
It's always a good idea to plan ahead for unexpected costs.

> Three sound systems traveling around the site all weekend. what was
> delivered by the promoter? one weak ass, and i mean WEAK ass sound system
> that went for oh, 4 hours on friday nite,

Ever try to power sound and lights outdoors?  Especially when you
don't have access to all the electricity you were originally promised?

> campground i never woulda drove down. It was total wack. i got approached
> THREE times by some pussy asking me for "donations" for the party

Remind me to introduce you to my sister, Mr. Sensitivity.  Or should I
call you "cock"?

> all the backass Kentucky ravers ate up, yum yum.

I wish we could all be as cool as you!

> traveling companions were totally disgusted wit fri. good thing too,
> because all it took to shut that one down was some dummy (oh thats DUMMY as
> in : a young girl who takes HEROIN for kicks at a rave)
> hyperventilating.

Your concern is touching, but is it really unreasonable to expect that
a near-death would kill a party?

> is the sound tho ultimatly. If thats the kinda sound Y'ALL are used to down
> yonder in tha holler, weeeell, at least Y'ALL aint gonna go deaf. 
> hee-yuck.

God, you almost make me ashamed to be a city-dweller.

> at least i didnt take the tabs i had with me;

Dude!

Love and respect to all those I met this weekend, stay cool and
stay safe.  No hard feelings, Allen -- you're just too PHRESH
for me...

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marmoset@msen.com                               play sim freeke

<A HREF="http://www.msen.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>


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> 
> Just got back to check my mail, and i feel like im missing something. I am

 yes, you missed your brain somewhere before you posted this shit.

 [snip]
> days.Three sound systems traveling around the site all weekend. what was
> delivered by the promoter? one weak ass, and i mean WEAK ass sound system

 EEENNNGGG!!! Wrong answer! The correct answer was:
 - The promoter wanted to make the best he could, and FOR FREE. Thanks to 
   him ravers demostrated this weekend the force of unity.

> that went for oh, 4 hours on friday nite,one 12.50 and (theoreticaly) one 4
> dollar camping charge, one big hassle, one LONG, Dissapointed ride home. i

 What a shame, you missed Saturday night.

> wanna know (and frankly, i think i DESERVE to know) what in sam hain this
> JJ thot he was gonna pull off? sure i know about the early campers farting

 He wanted to make a fabulous weekend for all of us, is that to hard to 
 understand?

> off about woodstock, and i talked to the kid that worked the store by the
> lake who said he told Doc it was " gonna be a buncha gay people
> slam-dancin'", but what do you expect from the Kentucky State Park Service
> and State Police??? 

 Anything, JJ had to know this??? Why you blame him when it was the police?

 [snip]
> The cherry on top was that
> the music sucked, at least on friday: one hour of snoozy mid-tempo
> "techno", what must have been 1 hour of a really crappy P.A. by some
> jokester from lexington, and one hour of passe' gabber bullshit, which all
> the backass Kentucky ravers ate up, yum yum. 

 Again, you missed Saturday, and by the way, the music was not bad on 
 friday, but is a question of tastes.
 And again, you are insulting people (in this case the Kentucky ravers). 
 Who are you????? GOD??? geez...

> My only respect goes out to
> D.J. Tantrum from Chi, who brought out the only vibe at Kincaid Lake with
> his SPONTANEOUS mobile setup rite next to our campsite, joined later by the
> Illuminator Kru.. 

 My GREAT RESPECT goes for all the people who were responsible for this 
party and for all the ravers that attended to it, except of course YOU. 

> And no, i didnt go to the other site , because my
> traveling companions were totally disgusted wit fri. 

 Do i have to tell you again that u missed it?

> good thing too,
> because all it took to shut that one down was some dummy (oh thats DUMMY as
> in : a young girl who takes HEROIN for kicks at a rave)

 Knock knock, do u have something called brain inside your head?. Are u 
stupid or what? Thanks god she is ok now! What if that would happened to 
you and some moron (like you) waste time posting an article saying that 
you are a dummy because of an accident??? 

> WOULDNT have minded paying MORE, if it had been the reel...My biggest Bitch
> is the sound tho ultimatly. If thats the kinda sound Y'ALL are used to down
> yonder in tha holler, weeeell, at least Y'ALL aint gonna go deaf. 
> hee-yuck.  at least i didnt take the tabs i had with me; ill save em for
> the next Mpls rave. Ill never bitch about waiting in line to go to the
> bathroom at a Minneapolis party again, cause we got SEErEEus Flava and
> Kickin wattage. Furthur was far more tha shit even wit da Kold. 

 You know what? You are right, next time stay in Minneapolis, at home, 
with thoughts like those you will not have fun anywhere.

> Maybe i
> woulda hada better time if i had hooked up wit the Net Ppl in the area, but
> ive been off line most of the Summer. 

 the netpeople i met this weekend are exactly the opossite as you are so 
i dont think they would be with a person like you saying all this shit.

 [snip]
>                                              Allen/Para
> 

 Jayvee


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a yet untitled event...

     friday 28 october 1994 (the day before D-DAY)

     chicago illinois

      djs: speed demon (DC)
	   mystic bill (chicago)
	   traxx (chicago)
	   sho (lafayette)
	   pulseone (milwaukee)
	   jaerran (st.louis)


 InterLAB: 414.256.1755 
  nadisco: 312.851.5434
	
      more info later.......

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--- Paul Allen ---

> Just got back to check my mail, and i feel like im missing something. I am
> amazed at what you pple down there settle for....

Heh....well fuck me. All this time I thought that rave had something
to do with this love/unity thing - and all this time it's just been
about getting into great parties with great drugs for as little money
as possible. 

I'm sorry Mr. Allen, but you have no clue how much effort J^2 spent
trying to pull together a union of people for a great cause. Talk
about sacrafice - the guy had to sell a lot of his shit just so he
could make it a free party. Some people notice that, and admire that -
and a few people found it fair to give a little something back.

Nobody says you have to lie and say it was the most awesome rave
you've been too - but have the courtesy to show a little respect. JJ
is one of a VERY small handfull of promoters/ravers I've met who
hasn't forgotten where rave came from and where we need to take it to
the future.

				  Mike

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+- really  irrelevant." - Stanley (2600)  -----------------------------------+

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>From mode Tue Aug 30 16:47:56 1994 remote from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
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:Just got back to check my mail, and i feel like im missing something.

you ARE missing something.

:and State Police??? if i had known it was to be held on a STATE PARK
:campground i never woulda drove down. It was total wack.

if you had read jj's posts to the list you would have known it was at a
state park.

:jokester from lexington, and one hour of passe' gabber bullshit, which all
:the backass Kentucky ravers ate up, yum yum.

why are you coming down on Kentucky ravers? such attitude.

:because all it took to shut that one down was some dummy (oh thats DUMMY as
:in : a young girl who takes HEROIN for kicks at a rave)
:hyperventilating.

so she made a mistake. she is just as human as you are. you are an ass.

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YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
luv yer twin
jimeni :)

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how deep up your ass did you have to go to get a response like that?


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This could get messy due to editing and such.  Bear with me here.

*FLAME ON*

Paul Allen Once Upon a Time Said ::

..
> i said, hey, just for kicks, why dont i
> check the line once more. SSPLAT! the party's been canceled. ok. whatever.

Bzzzt.  The party was never cancelled.  Next..


> Three sound systems traveling around the site all weekend. what was
> delivered by the promoter? one weak ass, and i mean WEAK ass sound system
> that went for oh, 4 hours on friday nite,one 12.50 and (theoreticaly) one 4
> dollar camping charge, one big hassle, one LONG, Dissapointed ride home.

If you only knew the whole story.  Quiet hours at the park did not permit
much sound.  This was not the original plan - the head park ranger balked
on the agreement from what I hear.  Next.


> if i had known it was to be held on a STATE PARK
> campground i never woulda drove down. It was total wack.

Wack like your head.  The directions were posted on the list on the 24th
and put on the mw-raves area on hyperreal.com's gopher.  I'm not sure when
the voice mail listed the directions, but you had access and could have 
known that it was going to be in a state park.

> The cherry on top was that
> the music sucked, at least on friday: one hour of snoozy mid-tempo
> "techno", what must have been 1 hour of a really crappy P.A. by some
> jokester from lexington, and one hour of passe' gabber bullshit, which all
> the backass Kentucky ravers ate up, yum yum.

I'm sorry you didn't like the music, but I feel your generalizations of 
Kentucky ravers are out of line.  I'm sure that only Kentucky ravers were 
in the building.  No one else allowed.  Yup.  Next.


> My only respect goes out to
> D.J. Tantrum from Chi, who brought out the only vibe at Kincaid Lake with
> his SPONTANEOUS mobile setup rite next to our campsite, joined later by the
> Illuminator Kru.. 

Well, if your post about this event indicates your idea of vibe, I don't
like your idea of vibe at all.  If you only new.  Next.


> because all it took to shut that one down was some dummy (oh thats 
> DUMMY as in : a young girl who takes HEROIN for kicks at a rave)
> hyperventilating.

I'm so sure you've never do something stupid, like posting such a naive 
comment on a rave to a regional rave list.  Next...


> These are all problems that came up suddenly, sure, but this was 
> undoubtedly, the most poorly orgfanized event this size i have been to. 
> FREE SHMEE, why werent the organizers standing rite there paying
> for my campsite if they were so concerned with it being free? NOT that i
> WOULDNT have minded paying MORE, if it had been the reel.

Well, be sure and let us all know when your 3 day rave of equal proportions
will be happening, guy.  And I'm sure the promoter had the money to cover
the camping.  Yeah, right.  Why didn't he just fly you down and put you 
in some posh hotel with a limo ride to the rave?  yeah.  Next..


> My biggest Bitch is the sound tho ultimatly. If thats the kinda sound 
> Y'ALL are used to down yonder in tha holler, weeeell, at least Y'ALL 
> aint gonna go deaf.  hee-yuck.

Bluntly, fuck off.  If sound is that big of a deal for you, bring your
own walkman and blare your own music in your ears and spare us your pointless
ranting and rambling.  Next...


> at least i didnt take the tabs i had with me; ill save em for the next 
> Mpls rave.

Good thing too!  You might have seen the light or something!  Heavens!!!


> Ill never bitch about waiting in line to go to the bathroom at a 
> Minneapolis party again, cause we got SEErEEus Flava and Kickin wattage. 

What the hell are you doing looking for "SEErEEus Flava and Kickin wattage"
in the bathroom for?  I think I know what your problem is!!!  Try removing
your head from your ass before you talk.


> Maybe i woulda hada better time if i had hooked up wit the Net Ppl in 
> the area, but ive been off line most of the Summer.

If this shitty attitude is what you throw around, maybe it's good we didn't
meet up with you.


> oh, btw, Kentucky,  your cops suck more then ours do.

Hmmm... I'd love to take this Kodak moment and state that the cops did
virtually nothing this weekend.  There were cops directing us into and out
of the park Friday nite.  They seemed cool.  One in the Hardee's lot telling
us we could go back to Kincaid.  That's the only cops I saw.  They were 
doing their job, and did not step out of line.  I didn't see any cop-related
problems.

People, it's attitudes and naiveity like this that really bug the shit out
of me.  Think before you write.  And if you can't think, don't write.

Out.


Andrew
-- 
(c) 1994, Andrew Bennett                              abennett@hyperreal.com

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well...I'm not really sure that allen para is an asshole, maybe he is just 
the WHOLE ENTIRE FUCKING ASS!!!!!!

haven't you learned ANYTHING from the posts about the party?
didn't you realize that this was SO MUCH MORE than just a rave?
it was a learning experience; it was a chance to bond with thousands of 
people; it was the beginning; it was the end.

Everyone (mostly) has walked away from I.O. with something more than they 
came with; me, I've decided that drugs and the Tigster are going to be very 
seperate for a _LONG_ while...others learned the power of vibe, you just 
seemed to master the art of pissing us all off.

Allan, think.  THat is all we all ask.  Just fucking think.  Y
YOU are the reason the party sucked, no one else....YOU are the reason your 
vibe was zilcho, nobody else...hell, why don't you drop your tabs in your own 
fucking bedroom, throw in your fav. mix tape and turn on a strobe!  I think 
you'd get more out of that than partying and LEARNING with a zillion other 
people.

					Tigger
(and if I _EVER_ catch you busting on anyone who made a major mistake again, 
I will personally _walk_ to Minneapolis and kick your self-centered, attitude 
ridden ass all over your measely little block, you understand?  PEOPLE are 
apt to do wrong, China proved this, but your BLATANT disrespect for someone 
IN NEED of our support (now probably more than ever) discredits you from my, 
and hopefully many others RAVE FAMILY.  You obviously miss the point of it 
all, go back and fucking look up these words, and maybe (but probably not) 
you will learn something:


		LOVE


		UNITY


		_RESPECT_


		TRUST


		FREINDSHIP


	think b4 you speak.  It will stop you from hurting others, and others from 
hurting you.)



			

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	Two months or so ago I saw a little flyer advertising a three day free
event in Kentucky to be put on by J2.  And the word of mouth hype around it
just grew and grew until this was going to the kickenest party ever.
	Well, after a 6 hour drive from Detroit we get there around 10:00
and we see police searching cars entering the party area, OK so we're in a 
police state, we'll chill and set up the tent and then walk to the thing.
	We get to the camp site and some peole from St Louis are playing really
deep House and right across from us come the sounds of gabber and breaks.
This should have been an omen.
	So we finally walk to the hill the party's happenin' on.  (by the way
let me say that the park staff were pretty cool about everything, don't know the
owner can't comment there)  Anyway, we run into JJ on the way up and he says:
"I've done a horrible disservice to ravedom."  From this point it just went
down hill so fast we couldn't even keep up.  We got to the sight, and suddenly
had visions of Junior High School dances, the room was so lit up I might as well
have been in my living room.  And the music was some really weak pseudo-ambient
live band.  Following this was a long long long set of breaks with some MC
saying stuff that I could barely make out.  I don't want to hear breaks after
a 6 hour car trip, and I never have understood why people think they need an MC,
the DJ should speak with his records and mix.  The breaks were followed by that most
most insidious of music techno's retard son Gabber.  During this whole time we
were waiting for the music to start.  Something should be noted that about
75% of the crowd was out sitting on the lawn while maybe 30 kids were dancing.
	I felt like I was on the moon.  i don't know where people come from
saying the vibe was great Friday night.  We were getting weird lookis from
people, maybe because we weren't dressed like the Project X club kid of the 
month but the vibe was bad.  We started praying for Mike Huckaby, which 
honestly I can say I never really really looked forward to seeing him that much
before.
	Finally another band comes on and they were really cool, they had a 
good sound, and got something of a groove going (something missing the whole
time we were there).  A few more people came in from the lawn.  then as the
group started into their third track it just stopped, and the state troopers
showed up.  
	I have to agree with the 'Interstellar Outhouse' post that the sound syst
system wasn't quite up to par.  
	When the word went out about relocating but they still didn't have a 
site we deiced that if it moved up to Cinci we would go, but if it wasfarther
into KY we would head back to Detroit.  At 11am on Sat we left the place
for Detroit.  That night I got about 45 mins. of sleep becuase the people across
the road from us were playing gabber until 5am and then briefly again around 6a
6.  They were also talking loud enough to keep us awake.  This was particcularly
uncool because we were sharing space with families who just came to have a 
vacation.
	After all of this We figured we didn't want to just kill a day in 
KY to be bombarded with the same scene we got on Friday.  Frankly, I think
the big overblown parties are no longer my scene.  Gimme something like 
Richie's Crazy Birthday anytime over a bunch of kids gawking at me cuz I 
don't dance like me.
	People have to get educated and consider the people around them, in the
way they behave.  BEing deep doesn't mean you wear baggy pants, a dumb hat, and
run around with blow pops and stuffed animals.  Being deep means that you know
something about the scene you are part of  and are continuing to contribute to
that scene.  Being down in KY showed me why there are people in this world who 
hate techno.  
	Respect goes out to JJ and his whole J2 massive for atleast attempting
this, unfortantely it was killed by circumstances brought on by bad luck and
the park people going back on their word.  The party could have been a 
beautiful thing.
	Heard great things about Saturday.

-SmilEE

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I'm writing through three systems right now so my typing is messed up, my 
concentraiton is shot too.  But they don't dance like me, and I DO dance like
me  :)     Keep it deep.
-SmilEE

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Begin Review---

Interstellar Outback completely sucked! The sound was such weak wack  
bullshit, like me, paul allen!

hehehehe

you know the only bigger asshole I know of was that fuckin' park  
manager (jeff?) ok, maybe not, but anyway,  WHAT A FUCKIN PRICK.  For  
those of you that didn't know, he was the source of the problem.  The  
cops and especially the park rangers were very cool to it all.  I  
can't count the number of times that bastard changed his fuckin tune.   
When we went up to the site to set up on thursday,  he wasn't even  
going to let it go off at all.  It was after several calls to  
frankfort to his superiors, that it was allowed to go on on friday.   
I wish his superiors had been there to see how he fucked us. He added  
in the shit about paying for cops, kept changing the close down time.   
Said the quiet hours thing wasn't a problem then was, blah blah blah,  
aarrrggghhhh what a bastard.

Anyway,  I'll skip the chronological details, but IO was very cool  
despite the kajillion setbacks.  Obviously, big props to JJ for  
everything, everyone has said that(and it's true), but even more  
props to all the ravers for sticking with it and not bailing (well  
some people bailed and missed saturday but hey, they're tooooo phresh  
for me too). Man Lexington was swamped (and bubbled) with ravers  
Saturday.  It was great, The people here were freaking. I love it  
when that happens to this town.

And for those that did miss it, Saturday evening was excellent.  The  
site was very cool.  Paris and Billiebob tore the shit up (I took  
notes!).  The second system kicked it too. The hill was a great chill  
space. And the camp area was quite chillin'. And for those that were  
complaining about sound (yes I would have liked more too!) FrenchE  
was squeezing every last watt out of the power he had from the  
generators ( and on friday too...they blew breakers all nite and were  
not allowed to put in there own patch bay)

Well, I'm not gonna say this was a slammin event in the party sense  
of it.  It had too many problems.  Most of those were on friday night  
and caused by the park manager. But it was slammin in that most folks  
stayed with and worked to maintain the vibe.  That was what made it  
worth while. That along with the lessons hopefully learned by all.

Well enough rambling,

see you all next time (and I promise I'll meet more of you)

*~cosmic~~~

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 three things i want to say to you paul.
#1 jj tried give him credit for that he was selling his belongins to try to make everything as free as possible
#2 your lucky you are not in milwaukee because if you were i would find you and beat your ass to a pulp for your comment on the heroin thing..sure i dont think heroin has a place in our scene ..not even in ecstasy..but shit happens ...you were way the hell out of line on this one
#3 last thing your attitude sucks..them kentucky kids no how to party more so than your ass ..they have an open mind and they go to have fun no matter what..
if your so happy in mpls than why dont you leave your wak ass attitude and yourself there ..we dont need you here ..its about an open mind and fun ..get a life and get a clue..
fuck you very much
ACIDOPHILE/DAN very pissed about this post
p.s the party was slammin the gas station ,the rest stop,saturday night the whole damn evening
peace RESPECT,unity through dance and music
keep it clean 
open mindedness is the key
no attitude

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> 
>  yes, you missed your brain somewhere before you posted this shit.
> (several lines of garbage from several letters deleted)

Peace, love and unity?  I don't see it. 

Maybe not replying to garbage is better than building on it.  Maybe. 


-- 
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------------------------------------|  listens to reason, it's too late, 
 I-net: Steven.Kosloske@mixcom.com  |  and I'm ready to fight." -
 `90 Corrado G60 (28K)              |  Ministry - So What? 

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 ok, i mailed a little reply to mr. allen, and i didn't think it necessary
 to post it to everyone, but i do want everyone to know that one thing i
 said is that i believe net ravers to be my family, and i love everyone. 
 but that kind of disrespect to my family just can't go ignored.
 i hope that i made a little bit of a difference friday night at I.O. with
 the name tags and stickers.  i just wanted everyone to know everyone else.
  :)
 now, i have something to say about the drugs.
 all last summer i tripped at almost every rave i went to.  i had fun, but
 i was always involved in my own little world of colors and sound.
 last october was my last trip, and since then i have gone to every party
 sober.  and to tell you all the truth, i can't imagine ever being fucked
 up at a party again.  for me, i have way too much fun talking to everyone
 and meeting those i haven't met before.  being a social butterfly sounds
 better to me than being dependent on others to make sure i don;t do
 something stupid.  i believe, though, that everyone has a right to do
 what they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process.  i
 just want people to be happy, and not get hurt.  i think a lot of people
 realized this weekend that drugs can and do hurt.  i really respect jay
 wells for what he said, because he did what i did last year.  he tried out
 something because he wanted to see what everyone else was talking about. 
 i am really sorry that he had the experience that he did, though.
 but now he can say that he feels as he does from personal experience, and
 i can too.
 all i want is for everyone to be safe, have fun, and maybe visit me out in
 athens, ohio.  :)
 but seriously, we need to keep the vibe alive, and i think people realized
 this weekend that drugs don't help with that.  we help.  we are the vibe. 
 we are what keep it alive.  without us there would be no vibe, no scene. 
 and by 'we', i mean the ravers, not just the netters.  so let's be
 sensible, let's be happy, and let's have fun.
 
 sorry it's so long, i had a lot to say.  :)
 
 -becca
 Becca Maslow                                     i don't need the moon
 rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu                        all i need is you.
 Little Elf :)
 
 
 


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> > 
> >  yes, you missed your brain somewhere before you posted this shit.
> > (several lines of garbage from several letters deleted)
> 
> Peace, love and unity?  I don't see it. 
> 
> Maybe not replying to garbage is better than building on it.  Maybe. 
> 
 Steve:

      There is a rule on Usenet and I think is applicable here:

   "If you are not following a post is because you agree with it"

      Well, I cant agree with that person and if we didnt answer him, he 
 will think he is right. And I think we have to demostrate that he is NOT.

      Peace, love and unity was demostrated by all the people who were 
 defending ourselves replying that crap.

      Garbage is what he wrote.

 Jayvee


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>Respect goes out to JJ and his whole J2 massive for atleast attempting
>this, unfortantely it was killed by circumstances brought on by bad luck and
>the park people going back on their word.  The party could have been a
>beautiful thing.
>Heard great things about Saturday.

>-SmilEE



 Well, now, at least someone has the intelligence to post their beefs tactfully
and considerately instead of going off with a bunch of half-ass rantings and
generalizations.  JJ deserves all the respect in the world just for managing
to keep IO intact despite all the shit that happened.  Let stupid yines like
p. allen bitch and fuss all they want to; he still can never take away the fact
that IO was worth it for a lot of people.

                                                           >mo'


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"God created man, but I could do better..."       + ~ + + *  ........  *
                                                   \ +  *  fujiyama mo'  *
                                                     \hjcurt00@ukcc.uky.edu

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I'd just like to say thanks to all the people stickin' up for us Kentucky 
folk.  Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about missin' IO, but I am 
glad to see some good came from it, especially after seein' so many 
negative posts at the beginning.  Ultimate respect to the Lexington crew 
for keepin' the idea alive, even in the face of turncoat landowners (I 
*really* know how much FUN that is.)  

I would also like to say to all the people postin' about ravin' on a 
natural high.  That's the only way I've done it, completely sober.  Many 
of my friends have enhanced experiences, and I have thought about doin' 
the same.  One does feel a little left out sometimes, as said once 
before, when everyone else is doing something you've never done.

Anyways, just a little note from a barefoot, backwoods, okra-eatin', 
rave-lovin' Kentuckian.

Bryan
"Sypher"
IMSmartRU


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Thanks for all the insight +/- and flashbacks provided by I.O.  I'm thinking
that this was the kind of event that reminds us *convincingly* that the scene
is about 1)Relationships with People  2)Great Aural Input  3)Exploring the
Boundaries of Society.  Probably in that order, too.

I know that sounds kind of Textbookey, but I mean to make a point.  We've
reached some kind of turning point in our scene, and we are the ones who will
determine where it goes from here.  *cool, huh?*  Whether you can handle
recreational drug use, or whether you decide that chems are not all they're
hyped to be, or maybe too scary for the meantime, we all have at least this
in common:  The people in this scene--you, me, that one person that you keep
seeing at parties and smiling at--ARE the scene.

With that in mind, I wish to make a pre-mature party announcement, and I
leave it to the masses on mw-raves to determine if this flies...

antidote... a private re-charge space, Sunday ??.??.94 (5am-5pm), to be held
at a private (modest) address near Detroit.  Food, chillspace, audio and
video provided.  An opportunity to mesh with others of similar minds and
vibes, who are on the net.  

This will be free to those who have shown genuine interest, and made prior
arrangements with me.  The plan is to piggyback on some hot event in
September or October in Detroit.  I'm checking the flyers and I'll keep you
all posted.  Please post back with any input, and let me know if you'd like
the opportunity to recover next to these people you share so much with.

<-------------Therefore, I.M.------------->
    "Ventura, ventura, space people..."
<-------------IMalbon@aol.com------------->



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	That concept sounds pretty cool, antidote I would say.

-SmilEE

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Why does it seem like I'm always the one to calm the fires? *shrug*
Oh well..

Thus, I just want to say this:  Krunchers are definately the best chip 
I've ever eaten. 'nough said. :>

		Peace out,
		   Ramylson


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It seems that some people did not get all the facts 
strait.

Friday night : The dick head mananger (Jeff) did not let me
install my distro box. I need 100 amperes per leg (300 total)
to get the lights and sound working. I brought 2 Synchro,
4 Mini ultra scans, 4 Intellabeams, 4 Viper lazer, 16 Dataflashes
2 Unltra scan 700 and 4 Stacks. Because of Jeff, I was
oblige to use the outlets in the wall. I had a total of 11 circuits
with a 20 theorical amp breakers (they pop at 18.25 amps). 
I did not have enought power. DJ EFX blew the sound (did not blow the system)
just the breakers. I like when a DJ can blow circuit, it is impressive.
anyway, I way very limited by the power. I did what I could. And for the
people that are not happy, I dare them to show me how to do it better.
(By the way, I am an Industrial Eng, 7 years in College)

Saturday night :

JJ could not find the gene I needed (50000 watts minnimum)
He got me 3 6000 watts genes and 1 4000 gene.
I had one Carver PT 2400 ( 1500 watts per channel) on one
6000 watts gene
another carver PT 2400 on the second 6000 watts gene
One PM 1200 and PM 600 on the other 6000 watts gene
One PM 1200 and the turntables and sound processing
equipement on the 4000 watts gene.
I was pushing the genes to the max. 
The voltage was sometimes dropping to 102 volts ac when
it is suppose to be between 118 and 123.
Carver amp use parts of the sin wave. They required good
electricity. I did my best to get the best sound (sorry for
the craking noise on the speakers, the grass was wet : 
static electiciy)I gave all the priority to the sound because
that is what raves are all about. 

So I am tired of reading about people saying that this weekend
sucks, that the sound suck or what ever. JJ and I did so much
work to get every thing going. JJ and I where the last people to 
have fun. So if you can't understand that, you have nothing to do
with raves.


					French E from
				Maxximum Sound and Lights, Inc

pEace


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I'm usually pretty quiet on the list, but there are a lot of interesting 
threads going on...

On IO:  Well, I ended up not being able to make it, but from talking to 
Kris and Tigger, and from reading all the posts here, I think I've got a 
vague grasp of what went on last weekend.

* Props to JJ and all the Kentucky folk that worked so hard to put the 
event on...It's disapointing that not everyone was so grateful -- a lot 
of people sacraficed a lot, and it sucks that certain people weren't more 
understanding

* Does anyone have an address for the state park ninny that caused all 
the problems and went back on his word??  I'd love to drop that chap a 
line and let him know that he kind of single handedly fucked up what 
otherwise would have been the most unified gathering of the summer.

On drugs and raving: Geez...several people have echoed my opinions on the 
subject -- eg. Kris and Joe (purdue).  Other's drug use doesn't bother me 
except when it gets out of control and begins threatening the viability 
of the scene and the paries.  St. Louis has been having a really tough 
time getting things going lately and it seems heavily related to the 
amount of drugs at the parties and the police's (correct) belief that 
raves=drugs.  I'm not sure that there's any real solution -- for many 
drugs are an integral part of raving, and I don't want to deny them that, 
but I hope that the emergance of harder drugs into the scene (heroin, 
crystal meth, etc) are *not* the sign of things to come.


Tigger: I won't be at Groove Kitchen....sorry -- but I'm absolutely, 
definately there on the 17th!  Hope to see lotsa net ravers in Iowa in 
2.5 weeks!!!

bye y'all

pixel



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First off, the aliens are outta here.

Geez, a whole lot of data has been generated. I'll do my best to  
respond & explain.

the site friday was a mess. I take full responsibility for fucking  
this up as the party should have been on private land the whole time.  
the saturday night site was secured as a backup space weeks in  
advance- should have gone with it for the whole thing. but the ironic  
thing is that the people in the state parks department loved the  
idea- it would generate revenue they needed. in fact, the park  
manager's boss ORDERED him to let the party happen friday night. as  
to people being turned away, there were fields and fields that could  
have been added for primitive camping, but like many things, they  
reneged. I could go on and on about them but I won't: it was wack and  
it would be weak to try to defer the blame.

as to the people who didn't perform:  the only djs not to arrive were  
ESP and Mike Huckaby. ESP was busy throwing invisible, and Huck had  
trouble renting a car- I told him that things were on the sketchy  
side and lots of djs were getting shorter sets. people spun at the  
club in lexington, everyone got to play some. the problem was not  
with funds, but with the original site- piles of our cash was in  
deposits. the reason we are in funds trouble now is that only 550  
people paid for camping on saturday, whereas the campground owners  
are graciously agreeing that there were 'probably only 900 people  
there.' (our tab: 350 x $4) plus the vandalism tagging stuff. we let  
people get in if they had no money but wow...

re: the teargas thing: this came from several people who were in the  
hospital with china and the owner of the site, who they had called.  
the county attourney had agreed with the head of the state police to  
classify us as a riot. and that means riot procedures. even if this  
was an empty threat, it is not worth the risk to you, the ravers. the  
drop bass guys were like, bring it on!, but I guess they're hardcore.

what this all means to me is that I no longer should throw parties.  
there are things I've neglected for a year+ that I have to do. write,  
do music, grow tomatoes, finish school, shit like that. I also feel I  
let you guys down- the job of a promoter is to be prepared, to be  
paranoid about everything that could go wrong. when shit went crazy,  
we had the preparations but not the cash- our budget was EXACT. we  
shouldn't have attempted a free party on that scale- it was just  
irresponsible. what if one of the things that slipped through the  
cracks had been the EMT, what if she and her RN friend had said, this  
is wack, we're outta here? where would china be now? no, I'm going to  
make myself a big shirt hat says WACK on the front and wear it for a  
few weeks. I can't believe I paid all those cops to sit around a be  
dicks to you guys. 


parties aren't "supposed to be" anything. it's a liquid concept, one  
that changes as people throw them in different ways. what people  
don't realize is that we are in control of the evolution of our  
scene. we can learn from mistakes or try things out and experiment  
and move away from some elements or incorporate others. what seems so  
hard to learn is that big parties are so much of a risk to do or  
attend because of the resistance of the outside world. all the park  
manager could say friday night was that it was "out of control,  
totally out of control"- and all his experience told him to do was  
exert control in any way possible by restricting us. freudian, yeah,  
but that's how people react to 1000 people dancing wildly. there's  
this disease which strike promoters and they think about the biggest  
underground party they can do. I wanted to do one more thing and give  
it away, I thought I had one more good one in me that I could do for  
the right reasons and stay true. well, some promoter, a friend of  
nigel & wink's, from the east coast, chewed me out for 20 minutes  
about the unwritten contract that a flyer represents to the raver-  
that I will have all my shit together and provide them with a good  
time and a solid thing. he was right, the only thing I can do is try  
and find some way to make up to the scene without taking any risks. I  
am working on a zine of medical data concerning drugs, and so forth.  
your respect is important to me, and I thank everyone for their  
support, but it should be justified.

what good came out of it was that it was a microcosm of the whole  
scenes: busts, booms, cops, drugs, music and all that- you guys  
fought for that party right along with us and we thank you for it.  
and when there was music, there was vibe. we don't realize that we  
are laying down the groundwork for something important, that this  
really does affect the kids who come out to these things and oh, I  
dunno- it all comes down to "drugs are fun, yeah, but IT'S THE MUSIC,  
STUPID!" I still can't tell what I think about all this. I got two  
days of sleep that I needed but it'll be a while before I understand  
this. I'll let it percolate. One thing is clear tho: a life is more  
valuable than a party. anyone with a problem can email me for a  
detailed explanation.

the scariest thing was that on monday afternoon, a sargeant from the  
sherriff's department left his card on my doorstep with a note that  
he had legal papers for me. karma! oh shit! doom! but it turned out  
to be for a previous resident. :] !! but it gave me the scare I felt  
I deserved. there. whew!

be on the lookout for delirium at a party near you. and if you want  
to get into some parties free and sell stupid shirts, email me. the  
meddling kids are on of the strongest crews around and I give them  
full props for everything they pulled off this weekend. look for them  
to be doing stuff in the future without me... after some time to let  
the state police cool off...

for info on the CDs, which are finally available, contact Quinton at  
EllisD@aol.com. They will be $11 with shipping. All I'll say about  
them not being at the party is fuck delta airlines. they shipped a  
same day air package to a closed airport. 


if you or someone you know wants to buy my computer, email me. the  
prior offer was withdrawn. it is a 486-66 with 1meg, 100 meg IDE,  
minitower case, dual floppy, no monitor (already sold). make an  
offer. quick sale = lower price. built from quality parts & never  
even turned on. or call 606.253.1376

peace and lame apologies, and most importantly:
KEEP THE SOUND UNDERGROUND

jsquared

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i'd like to, and my brother wants to go to his first rave-type-thing ever.

if you are going to deep space in detroit, shout, okay? i'm gonna be in
detroit anyway, and i'd like to hook up with others.

the only way i won't go is if that allen guy from the minneapple says
he is going. :-|

anyway, 
cheers.

--
The Chronicle. Elyria, Ohio, USA		John Kohlstrand, staff writer
macroncl@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	    aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu	
    ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.''  --Derrick May
I don't speak for them.  They don't speak for me.  It's an existential thing. 

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> i'd like to, and my brother wants to go to his first rave-type-thing ever.
> 
> if you are going to deep space in detroit, shout, okay? i'm gonna be in
> detroit anyway, and i'd like to hook up with others.
> 
> the only way i won't go is if that allen guy from the minneapple says
> he is going. :-|
> 
> anyway, 
> cheers.

I am going to Deep Space.  People can crash at my loft if so desired.

313/961-0831

--fixer


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Hi.  Well I have finally gotten to where I can say that the CDs are shipping.
 I am sure people at I/O are REALLY sick of hearing excuses but these were to
be there Friday but the fool at Delta ended up putting them on a CANCELLED
flight into Lexington.  Then the Lexington airport was closed all weekend and
I couldn't get any answers.  It turns out they ended up actually sitting in
ATLANTA all weekend and I have just gotten them.  I don't want to go into
much more detail because at this point it is history.

The party, well I must say I have NEVER been in an environment or gathering
of people that I have had more fun in (COMPLETELY sober even!)  despite every
damn bad kinda karma that could hit us, most felt like it was more than worth
it.  Never have I felt "more at home".  But as I said that is now history.

The CDs are great and if you can find it worth $11 with shipping to check
them out, all the great bands and DJs appearing on it that didn't get to play
for you would really appreciate it.  They are shipping now and I promise they
will provide you with listening pleasure for a long time.  Again, my
apologies for the late arrival but those of you that wend to I/O probably
realise what we were up against that weekend.

                                                        INTERSTELLAR OUTBACK
                                                           THE CD COMPILATION

A limited edition of 1,000 Compact Discs have been pressed TO be sold with
all profits going to pay those nasty bills that are accumulating to produce
the Interstellar Outback party.
The CDs (73 minutes) will be sold for a limited time on the net for $10 plus
$1 shipping and
for $8 at the party (so it would actually save you money to go and have a
great time!!!).
Hows that for advertising skill:)

The CD includes a 4 color insert of the flyer and a WIDE variety of music
from those artist
(both DJs and Bands) that will be attending the party.  All tracks were
recorded digitally and they're Phat!  There is a great representation of the
RAVE scene here with everything from:
HardCore, Jungle, Trance, House, Acid, and Ambient.  Do yourself a favor and
those who have
worked to hard to produce all aspects of Interstellar Outback the party and
donated their time,
money and music for the CD.  Check it out.

Thanks,
EllisD
_________________________________________________
                                              ARTIST & TRACK INFO

 1)  1.8.7  "JungleMan"  - 5.42
(from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

 2)  XTRA "Islam" - 4.08
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 3)  Theory Collapse "ELSD" - 5.36
(from Columbus, Ohio)

 4)  V-GER "In Flight" - 8.52
(from Lexington, Kentucky)

 5)  Who Don It "Maelstrum" - 7.25
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

 6)  Mark Verbose "The Nation of Acid"  - 5.58
(from Milwaukee, Wisconsin)

 7)  Mystic Bill "The Sound Remains the Same" - 7.38
(from Chicago, Illinois)

 8)  Josh Wink "A Trip Back Home" - 11.08
(from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)

 9)  Induction "Telemetry" - 8.59
(from Houston, Texas)

10)  Prism "Dreamflight" - 7.26
(from Baltimore, Maryland)

Please NOTE:  This is available on Compact Disc ONLY and limited to 1,000.
 If you cannot attend the party please include a Money Order or Cashiers
check for $11 to ROM HyperMedia and include a note with the number of disc
requested to:

Interstellar Outback CD
11510 N. May Ave. #206
Oklahoma City, OK 73120
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Interstellar Outback...welll, I had heard about this huge gathering
about a few months back. I was sitting in my dorm room just wondering
if maybe, just maybe I could go up and check this bad boy out. It would
be (and was actually) my biggest rave I had ever attended. Well, after
some chatting with Skimmy, and a miracle of donations from my
grandmother, I had plane tickets and a crash space for the week of
IO.

Well, I flew up to Indianapolis on the Monday before IO, spent the
week with the most grooviest people I had ever met: Jay, Jaye,
Skimmy, Jen, Chuck, Sho, Kyle, Shawn, Dan/Acid, Dan/Mode,
Yusef, and the other wonderful people there.  The week was a
huge bundle of energy as we were all poised for the event. We would
break out into fits of joy, "IO is in 2 days!!!!" randomly.

Fryday rolls around and we prepare and get into one fucking HUGE
caravan of cars and head down to Lexington, or outside of Lexington
at the State park.  The ride was was so incredible.  Hard as hell to keep
that many people together, but we made it into Cinci to pick up even
more people. Nuts I tell you , nuts. After the Columbus people and
Andrew and Becca hooked up with us we headed off to get to the
park before that 11 o' clock deadline for camping. Well, we got to the
park at 10:30 and were turned away. Ok, this is a bummer for most
people, but personally, i'm feeling real good. I'm just happy to be with
all the great human beings. Yea, we can't get into the party, but there
we were, chilling in the parking lot, dancing and talking. We hooked up
with some people from New Jersey and Delaware and around. How cool!!
Well, I won't go into the Hardees thing, but my reaction when we finally
got to the party itself was pure disappointment. Mind you, this only lasted
a few minutes. Sure it wasn't what I expected. Sure, there were a lot of
people just hanging around and sure it wasn't a great location.  Fuck that.
That has nothing to do with it as far as i'm concerned. I hooked up with
the net ravers. All the people I had only seen as type on the screen were
now materialized before me. They were nice, they were open, and most
importantly they made me feel at fucking home!! I had comethousands of
miles for this party, and no matter what I felt good and I felt at home. This
to me is what was important. Same goes for Saturday night. The party was
fucking great. The music was super and the people, most of all were very
good. I didn't meet one real asshole the whole trip to the midwest, where
I have met many in other scenes.  I give the biggest most humongous
props to JJ for throwing this event. It was the greatest time I had ever had,
really. I learned so much about the scene, saw 4 new states, and met the
greatest bunch of people I had ever met in my life.

Let me tell you something, when Skimmy was driving me back to her parents
place in Indy so she could take me to the airport in the morning, I was on
the verge of tears. I had to cry so bad because I was going to miss each and
every  one of the people up there. I held the tears back because I didn't
want Skimmy to feel uncomfortable, but it was so hard. This takes a lot,  for
people to be so cool, that in a week, a person can become attached to a small
family of people.

Once again, big mad props to JJ. I think you undertook the fucking greatest
feat and this Texan thanks you for doing it. Don't be so hard on yourself.

Skimmy, thank you once again so much, for being a great host and for putting
up with my silliness. I really had a great time.

the Purdue people: Love you all so much.

The Milwaukee people (well the Milwaukee 3 :): Love yawl too. Thanks for making
the trip interesting. :)

The other ravers and people:  The party may have sucked for you, but DO NOT lose
sight of the fact that it brings people together in a positive way. You make the
scene. Support people who need help.

To anyone who has bagged on China or JJ: fuck you.l You are the most wackest
of human beings to ever walk the planet. Turn positive, you'll be much happier.


Lots of love to everyone and a tear on the cheek,

Noah Lee

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jerry marvin haws writes:

:what this all means to me is that I no longer should throw parties.  
:I also feel I let you guys down- the job of a promoter is to be prepared,
:to be paranoid about everything that could go wrong. when shit went crazy,  
:we had the preparations but not the cash- our budget was EXACT. we  
:shouldn't have attempted a free party on that scale- it was just  
:irresponsible.

if you threw another party... i would go! anyone else? though i can
understand after all the shit youve been through you may not WANT to throw
another party. you have not let us down jj! the way i see it you were taking
on the nearly impossible. where no expectations can be made. having said
this i can only look at IO in terms of success. it may not have been the
level of success everyone was hoping for, but nonetheless it was a success.
my gains outweigh my losses. something has been added to my life. jj is
responsible for it. thank you!!!!!

danF

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Hi all--

I guess I've sat back and ingested your thoughts for long enough.  Now
it's time for me to spit something back out.  (Kind of a gross
metaphor, huh?)

This weekend I have experienced both the upside and the downside of
drugs in our scene.  I truly think that if I hadn't taken the drugs I
took Saturday night I would not have experienced the kind of profound
realizations and communication with Adam that I (we) did.  But I've
recognized for quite a while (and I wish I'd tried to make my voice
heard before these unfortunate things happened) that people in our
community had been using drugs for bad reasons.  At the very best,
drugs can open a person up to experience states of mind and ways of
thinking that they might not have realized on their own.  For me,
Ecstasy made me aware that I could love unselfishly and without ego.
This is an experience I'd never had before.  The drugs I took Saturday
night (acid and MDME) together showed me that I can be imperfect and
still love myself.  This has been a struggle for me my entire life.

I'm afraid what I wrote above isn't the exact truth.  Drugs,
themselves, never show you anything.  The best they can do is open
your mind so that you can tell yourself (and others can tell you)
truths that you might have been unable to grasp or accept before.
Right now, I have no reason to do drugs for a while, I've got enough
truths to try to make sense of for quite a long time. :)

I think the worst problem I've seen in the way many ravers handle
drugs is that they don't take responsibility for their own emotions,
thoughts and actions.  When a person does a drug, that drug does *not*
"give" them emotions or thoughts.  The drug alters their brain
chemistry so that they may feel (physically and mentally) different.
But our thoughts, emotions and actions always originate within
*ourselves*.  

I spoke with a girl (just before the OD) about our respective drug
experiences.  She asked me what E was like.  She said that she'd
thought she was buying acid, but instead she'd had a bad experience on
it.  She thought someone might have slipped her E.  It later came out
that when she took the acid she was fatigued and upset.  Because she
was on drugs, she thought her bad experience was solely the result of
the substance she'd taken.  But, no matter what substances we have in
our bodies, our thoughts, emotions and actions all originate within
our own minds and bodies.  *We* create our realities.  It's OK to
ingest a substance that may alter our senses and perspective, but
*please* always remember that *you* have the ultimate control over
what you think, feel and do.  We only feel "out of control" when we
*give up* control.

I think that this is something I learned early in my drug life.  And
I'm lucky for that.  Whenever I find myself starting to think
unhealthy thoughts, I remind myself that I have the power to control
them.  That ultimately *I* am in control of my experience.  If you
ever find yourself in a similar situation, I hope these words can be of
comfort to you.

Anyway, enough preaching.

*steps down from soapbox*

PS  For any and all who were worried about me, I've decided *not* to
quit school altogether.  I'll be taking fewer classes this quarter,
and getting a job (which I've needed for a long time, now) but I'll be
trying to relieve some of the pressure and work within a less
stressful framework.  (Also, using some of the knowledge I gained over
the weekend to help me better deal with the pressure of school).

PPS My initial decision to quit school was *not* so I could "tour with
the raves" or anything like that.  There were much more realistic and
appropriate reasons behind it.  But I realized that quitting school
was a much more extreme reaction than was necessary to pursue my goals.
-- 
  nate goldbaum                                                 goldbn@rpi.edu
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> at least i didnt take the tabs i had with me;

Dude!

haha, what a slam...:)

george

good one dave 


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Alright.. I'm chilling at work this last weekend, while everyone else was 
having a blast at Interstellar, missing the food, the musicc, the vibe.. 
everything. So, I'm walking around the store (I work in retail), thinking
about all of the fun I could be having, trying my hardest to transmit my 
soul's essance to everyone down there, and, to tell you the trust, trying 
to not think about how I should have not shown up for work, and going anways.
BUT, while I'm doing all of this, I notice a little flier on one of the shirts
we just got in. I flip it over to read it because I really had nothing better 
to do, and this is what it says:

	"In an underground you don't have the notion of success or failure.
	You only have the notion of making something. And that's what saves
	you. It's not how professional it looks, it's because you are doing
	what you are doing because you believe in it." 
					Tony Arafin

See JJ, it really isn't that bad. :> It then goes on to say..

	"I bring people here. But it is never the same. Point Perception is
	the presence of the world in a beautifly setting. It is the spirit of 
	unity and love. It is the openness to the universe: that reality is 
	something to consider, but not believe. Point Perception is the hole 
	in the rock that lines up with the full moon on the perfect sunrise
	taht you jump through to the other side."
					?

I don't know, it makes sense, and it doesn't.. I just thought I would share 
it with everyone else.

			Peace out,
			   Ramylson


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* ride Chicago-Kincaid: excellent, we started the caravan in Chicago (1 car)
joined a few other cars in Lafayette then near Cincinatti and we were about
15 cars at the end. Met lotsa net-ravers during this ride. One recommendation:
try to have skimmy and roo closing the caravan instead of leading it :)

* Kincaid State Park: couldn't get into the campground although we were there
before eleven. Waited on a parking lot near the party for a while, dancing,
till mister pig told us to leave or we go to jail (oooh you are so impressive
mr policeman)
everybody met at Hardee's parking lot where the locals soon showed up wondering
what that was all about ("yaw man, ya came all tha way from Chicago for this
concert? haf any good'lookin' chicks in ya group there?"). That was funny :)
Cop came, we thought he was goin to kick us out but he just told us that we
could go back to the party, which we did.

* Friday night party: short and bad, no comment. Good people though. Closed
early and everybody decided to meet at the rest area on I75. Unfortunately...

* got pulled over on the way to the rest area for having a "too-small"
temporary plate number. Pig checked my driver license, came out as suspended!
Handcuffs, arrest, Newport KY county jail :{ nice little cell with two gang
bangers and a guy whose foot was all bloody cauz he had just kicked his wife
in the head a few times *gulp*. Well, spent the night and most of the morning
in that hole until a bond was fixed and Nate paid it *smooOOch*
Then we went to a cheezy holidayInn for a well-deserved shower and nap, and
headed to Frankfurt KY to the new site (didn't go to the club in Lex).

* got to the campground around 10pm. Huge and beautiful. Everybody nice and
happy. Parked, dropped and here we go! what a great night, what wonderful
people, what a great music. I personally thought that the main sound system
was excellent for those conditions (humid, outside...) and the lights being
not used that much, most of the light show were the melting starts :P
I trully thing that Mystic Bill spun his best set ever that night. Everything
was soooo great untill 5am when the sound was shut down... back to the tent,
listening to our neighbours excellent Jajo tape for a couple of ours. Then
the ambulance for China blue, the rumor of her death, the start of
"existantialism" bad trips (the worst ones) and a dead vibe. Talked to some
friends in Chicago last night who still thought she was dead (when in fact I
talked to her yesterday on vrave). She won't do it again, I hope nobody will!

* then got kicked out of the campground, drove to the nearest motel (terrible)
and stayed there until 7am moday morning. Then I went to court in Newport
at 9am monday, pleaded guilty (although I don't think I am), got a nice fine
and we left...

That was a hell of a weekend for Nate, Adam, Jayvee, Heather and I. That was
also paradise. Weird huh? thanks to Nate for his gesture before we left the
campground, to Adam for putting up with Heather (I know it was difficult
sometimes), to Jayvee for putting up with us all and missing his class, to
the net ravers for the excellent time, and most of all to JJ and FrenchE for
their efforts, way to go!

bambi (oops that was not that short after all)
nib@dlogics.com

ps: I got a weird hallucination saturday night: I had a vision of Piglet and
Skimmy eating stuff from the floor in the campground. weird...
About the drug debate: just know yourself and your limits and, if possible,
your providers. [now that was original]

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	I'm definitely gonna be there, and also at Believe on Saturday.

-> SmilEE

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o.k. kidz...

i tried to post this monday, but it never got thru... so here i go again.

i'm not sure if th's the actual USE of drugs in our scene that is
bringing us down..
however, i do believe it is the kind of drugs being used...
not even the *kinds* let me explain..

from what i've seen, in both the med-west and north-east scenes..
the drugs ahve taken a turn for the worst, majorly

4 months ago, when i started doing all this shit, we never
worried about what the e was cut with, or what kind of acid it was..
but now.. it seems that you can find e cut with any thing from starch to
mescaline.

the drugs being reintroduced to the scenes are really really bad..
(as opposed to what, amy? just sorta bad... but you know what i mean)
crystal meth, mescaline, heroin...
most of this shit you aren't even told about in high school...
(not that that is any reason to not do them... hehe  *ecstasy*)

it seems like we the users are gonna have to start being a hell of
a lot more careful from now on..
if we even go on using them...
after interstellar, i made up my mind not to do e for  a long time.
seeing all the wack shit happehning to my freinds and the fear along side
it was just not worth the $25 

i think we can change what is happening if we try hard enough...
perhaps this idea is stoopid, but hey, i think we are all a little
desperate ... well, maybe not desperate, but we need *something*

kidz, just stop doing e for now.. yea.. you'll be missing out.. maybe..
but after a while, the dealers, and the chemists are gonna have to get
the hint... find out everything and anything about the drugs you
purchased... where are they from? what are they cut with? how many
milligrams?   clue: if your e is from florida.. it just might be cut with
something not so smooth.. don't you think?

i'm not sure if what i am trying to say has been conveyed...
i know a lot of peole are worrying about each other..
interstellar was a real kick in the ass on the emotional side :)
there is nothing scarier than watching your best friend get knocked
unconscious by e while you are too fuct up to help her.

as brandy wrote me in her mail last night.. 

		"we all need to chill"

i think that is a great idea. plus, remembering the events is kinda fun..
i guess :)

you guys please take care
*bighugs*

piglet*
donna fucking reed*

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You will never know where your drugs are from.  Period.

You might have a guess, or know what your dealer tells you,
but that means little.  It's a big pyramid from the chemists
down through the ditributors to the users.  Every one link
can change bits of the story.

--fixer


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but, it still wouldn't hurt to try and know :)

let's just get smart... o.k.?

piglet*
donna fucking reed*

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looks like i fucked up...
i did a reply to a couple of postings and accidentally sent them to the
individuals rather than the list. if they would be knd enough to forward
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modE wrote:
> 
> if you threw another party... i would go! anyone else? 

 I dont care if i got to go crawling, Ill be there :-).

 Jayvee



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I have to agree!!!!  even thought there were some definite problems.... I 
had a good time at I.O.  It took some time for my brain to clear and for 
me to decide that.  
I am taking the event as a learning experience, and a time in my life 
whre I got to sbe a part of something really amamzing!!!
JJ haws does deserve the utmost respect and props for doing this event.  
I also think that I am going to extend a hand to Jj in case he needs 
anything *ANYTHING* !!!
Peace kids!!!
Jen (lollipop-demongirl-pancake goddess)

P.s. I'm not gonna comment on allen para, because, it is a waste of the 
time it would take to write it.  Some people just aren't worth the waste 
of time. =) =)

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The Following is Courtesy of: 'Jay R. Wells'
> a problem.  She did drugs and I was 100% opposed to the use of drugs.  Not 
> that I forbid my friends from doing what they want...I say everyone has a 
> free will that I can't screw with and if you want to do something that I don't
> agree with, that's ok, just don't try to push me into it, know what I mean?
> 
> I'll just say that I sat back and watched her do stuff that made me feel like
> she was alienating herself from me.  Silly for me to mention that I felt bad
> about it because it would contradict all that I told her--that I would always
> be accepting no matter what she decided to do.  Obviously what I knew intel-
> lectually differed from what I felt in my heart.
> 

	peace to ya...
	But a note of encouragement to you jay.. and to everyone...
	It isn't silly or hipocrytical to say that people can do what
	they want, and at the same time not accept the fact that your
	girlfriend is doing drugs and it disagrees with your heart.
	True relationships---especially of that magnitude (eg significant
	other, soulmate, etc) truly mean unison.. that is what they really
	are.. if You are opposed to ingesting DRUGS into your own body, 
	but your soulmate is ingesting drugs, it is as if he/she is ingesting
	them into a part of you.. For truly your lover is a part of you.
	physically, emotionally, and spiritually... so a part of you 
	essentially was alread doing drugs which contradicted to your
	heart.  true relationsihps are about unity, mutuality, and LOVE.
	And Love is the essential ingredient because Love covers over
	a multitude of wrongs... Know yourself.. and know your partner.
	make changes.. and Follow Your HEART..

	About acid....
	In my opinion, Acid, Mescaline, mushrooms and drugs in general, 
	but especially hallucinogens are much more than just a physical
	and emotional experience.. I believe that they are gateways
	to a Spiritual realm which in itself can overwhelm and destroy 
	a lot of people in a million different ways.. Addiction. is
	a nice long method of destruction... physically... psychologically
	and spiritually until all you want to do is party with drugs
	sure... think about all of your visions and think about the 
	reality of them?? to you they really happened.. and maybe they
	did.. spirtually.. demons..ghosts..and the like which ever you
	may call them dance in your mind while you're tripping... 
	Tripping opens you up to a whole realm of reality.. which is 
	bigger than most people realize...where is you're tru
	control over a trip??? Can you really stop yourself from tripping?
	once you drop that little peice of paper onto your tongue, you
	just bought a non-refundable ticket to a spiritual realm which
	holds the keys to a masquerade of heaven and true visions of hell.
	I'm not saying that you can't enjoy tripping... cuz it's a lot of
	laughs and reallly "cool" but to me, tripping is a vision of hell
	Think about all the times you've tripped.. has anyone else ever 
	thought "what if I don't come back???"  can you imagine permanently
	tripping?? maybe it would be fun for some.. but what was your 
	longest trip?? 5 hrs, 8 hrs, 18 hrs??? after tripping
	on mescaline for 18 hrs, you can really be sick of it...
	after about 7 hours of intense peaking, the rainbow tracers, colors
	head trips, millions of thoughts rushing through your mind about
	this that and the other thing can really drive you INSANE..
	and I really believe that tripping is a glimpse of what it is 
	like to be truly insane.. out of your mind.. because usually
	when you are tripping you have no grasp of reality in the 
	sense of other people's lives.. You really are in your own 
	little world.. even if you are in the middle of
	a rave with 3000 people... to you it may seem like all those people
	are a movie.. and that your own life is a movie.. and that what
	you have done all of your life was just a movie.. imagine that.
	imagine having no concept of where you are... or what you are
	some of you probably can.. But think about this soberly... Look
	at how dependent you are then on others... dependent on someone
	to drive you, to take care of you if you are freaking out, 
	dependent as if you are a baby.. a child seeing everything for the
	first time, not know what the hell anything is... thinking that
	other people are here to fuck with your mind... even when they
	are trying to help you... because they don't have a clue
	as to what is going on in your mind... and you don't have a clue.
	Every trip is unique.. and it opens you up to a lot of different
	thoughts, realizations, and possible problems... so although
	a lot of people make great claims as to how awesome trippping is,
	tripping on mesc, acid, shrooms, is NOT for everyone... I thought
	it was at one time, but I know that some people really would
	not be able to handle a trip and learn from it... it is not
	easy to keep things in context... it is pretty easy to take
	more than you realize.. especially mushrooms... because they
	are CRAZZZZZZYYYY.. You never know what you are getting from
	people.. That is correct.. never unless you make it or grow it
	yourself... and then you take the risk and you become the chemist
	try making a drug yourself.. would you trust what you make???
	would you trust a batch of acid that you make??? or trust 
	a mushroom that you find growing along a roadside??? I doubt
	it.. the people that are selling and making drugs are just like
	you.. more than likely, they wouldn't do their own stuff.. cuz 
	things fuck up.. so they pass it on to a bunch of guinea pigs
	paying $5.oo per hit... not to bum everyone out..
	but think before you take any drugs.... 
	Strychnine is always a fun thing to incorporate into Mescaline
	and if mescaline is being substituted for E.. then you will
	have one hell of a sick trip ... massive stomach
	pains is not fun...flushed skin is not fun... feelings like
	your skin is like rubber and watching your pupils get bigger
	and smaller and bigger and smaller and bigger and smaler
	really really fast is pretty freaky.. so if you trip.. you
	may not want to look at yourself in a mirror.. you might not
	like what you see.. that is pretty weird huh.. I think you tend
	to see every imperfection in yourself.. in your reflection.
	but.. Ok.. I'm outta here.. for anyone considering Acid..
	consider this message too.. and for those of you who have tripped
	consider it.. I did.
	-Greg

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I just read Jsquared's post....
Call me sentimental, but I cried.  *sniff*
I think that JJ accomplished what he set out to accomplish.  Granted it 
will take time before anyone especially him may be able to realize this, 
but I think it accomplished it.
I have learned that you can't save the world.  No matter how unified 
everyone gets, there will be those who refuse to unite.  No matter how 
much peace there is in the world, there will be those who can never be at 
peace with themselves or anyone.  No matter how much love there is in the 
world, there will be people who still have to hate.
JJ, within a small group of Indiana ravers, (from purdue, indy, 
bloomington) and some milwaukee ravers, and some cincy ravers, we 
discovered a family tie, a peace, a love, and a unity soooo strong.  We 
came together at I.O, and survived and fought along with everyone else.
For those of us who thought it might have been about the drugs, we 
discovered it wasn't, that it was about the MUSIC, the VIBE!!!!!!!
All I ahve to say JJ, is thank you!!!!!!  You are AWESOME!!!!
WE LOVE YO(U!!!!!! And you better keep in touch with us!
I still owe you pancakes!!!!!!!!!
Love, Jen (lollipop-demongirl-pancake goddess)

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im going too...now's the time i get to say you're a fool if you
dont go ;) (looking at his calender).

george 

whoss going to the other two parties?
believe (breaks?!)
ground zero


On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, R Y Smith Jr wrote:

> > i'd like to, and my brother wants to go to his first rave-type-thing ever.
> > 
> > if you are going to deep space in detroit, shout, okay? i'm gonna be in
> > detroit anyway, and i'd like to hook up with others.
> > 
> > the only way i won't go is if that allen guy from the minneapple says
> > he is going. :-|
> > 
> > anyway, 
> > cheers.
> 
> I am going to Deep Space.  People can crash at my loft if so desired.
> 
> 313/961-0831
> 
> --fixer
> 
> 


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First off, I'd like to thank everyone for giving me so much support
The response I've gottne from drug-free net ravers is incredible; I
didn't know that so many people felt the same way I do.

:)

So I have a suggestion.  I'll compose a  list of net ravers who party
"au natural" and distribute it among those of us who do the same.  
This list would help us support each other and meet at events.
If you are interested in being on the list, this is what I need from
you:

Name
Location you are affiliated with(City or region)
email address
Anything else you want to add...

The list would be sent back only to those who contributed(to maintain some
sort of discretion.)

Also, If you are going to be in the Chicago area this weekend and would like
to chat, I'll be at Family Groove Kitchen.  I don't have any clue about what
I'll be wearing, but look for:
a short boy with blond hair and an old mwraves badge that says "soysos"
There's a good chance I'll have my afro wig on this weekend, too :)
If you see someone who looks like me, just stop and introduce yourself.
If it's not me, I'll let you know....
:P

jay
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<soysos
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Yep, I'll be there, with a newly converted crop of techno enthusiasts,
let's face it, if all you had ever been to before was
Spastik, you'd want *MORE* too!     :)

I was trying to explain to them how significant Deep Space
is, to see Atkins and May together, in 1994 -- I get this
feeling like these guys have basically carved out techno
for the world to follow suit, homage and MAJOR RESPECT is due
(to Saunderson and Fowlkes too).  WIthout getting real sappy, I
can remember staying up all night at my grandma's in Detroit,
taping the hot mixes on my boom-box, kicking Atkins when he
was "Cybotron" doing "clear" and "r-9" and all that cool
electro shit.  That's why I fell in love with techno, and that's
why I'm so damn excited to see these fella's live.
I'll confess I've been listening to Derrick May projects for years
and have still never heard him DJ (I think).

I have no idea what I'll be wearing but I'm a tall skinny white
guy, prob. with a "Split" baseball hat and sideburns, with
4 or 5 friends in toe from Michigan State.  Oh yeah, I'll probably
have a huge grin in, too.

See you all there!

Halflife  --->  Matt MacQueen
                macqueen@student.msu.edu

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please take me off the list
        

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On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Jay Gril wrote:

> modE wrote:
> > 
> > if you threw another party... i would go! anyone else? 
> 
>  I dont care if i got to go crawling, Ill be there :-).
> 
>  Jayvee
> 
> 
i'll be there with dancin' shoes on!!> 
devil girl

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Up until IO the only raves I had been to were in Chicago with my friend
Dan(Abulafia).  He always would talk about the raver ethic and things like
that, and I never really believed them, but after going to IO for Saturday
night and then reading all the postings which followed, I was impressed. 
More than that, touched.  There really is acommunity here full of caring
people who love each other and support each other in every way.  I am sold on
this Rave thing now.  
The drug discussion that has been going on has been one of the most
intelligent and objective that I have ever seen.  I have experienced to a
minor degree some of the same problems that some of you have, and I have seen
enough friends lives get fucked up to think twice whenever I consider doing
any drugs.  I am glad there are people out there who feel the same way that I
do.
Thanks for the party, even though I only caught the fun part, I kind of
wished I had been there the entire weekend.... I too read JJ's post and
almost cried.  I hope to try and get into the scene some, since it seems that
it is full of worthwhile people.  Thanks to JJ and to everyone who helped me
out the first time I got on Vrave.  Peace.


Nathaniel Males (natmales@midway.uchicago.edu)

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bambi once wrote:

>thanks to Adam for putting up with Heather...<

uh.....what?

 love, ADam

"Live For Another Tuesday Night..."




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I was just wondering who was planning on comeing to morph to see if a 
net-raver meet spot was in order. (I think so but I wanna be sure.) 
Several netravers have asked me. For you DC-ravers, I believe Gil said
after attending DAZE a few months back that Pittsburgh was definately 
worth the trip and I would like to meet more of you guys. (hi gil!)
By the way, if you're camping you can bring hibatchi's and stuff to cook 
so long as you clean up after yourselves. Alot of people are bringing 
tents. There are plenty of rest facilities onsite and if needed we will bring
in more.
The forcast for the weekend is Clear with highs in the mid to 
upper 70's and nightly lows in the 40's (so if you're camping bring a warm 
sleeping bag or someone to snuggle :). 
Special Note from Joel: He has collected $1000 in presale ticket money 
since the presales have been outstanding so expect some extra suprises.
				Joe





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PEACE & JOY
Saturday, September 3, 1994
Toledo

         DJ'S
         -----------------------
         Claude Young (Detroit)
         Terence Dixon (Detroit)
         Jimi (Dayton)
         Cookieman (Toledo)
         John Upton (Toledo)
         Eric Haupt (Chicago)
         -----------------------


419.476.5328



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>Kammerer, Mark J Once Upon a Time Said ::
>
>> And we need to have our own medical
>> tent to handle emergencies.  I don't know how serious the overdose
>> was but if it wasn't that serious maybe we could have handled it
>> w/o having to contact the state.
And Andrew replied,
>It was very serious.  She had not been breathign for some time.  Her heart
>stopped.  She was legally dead for 4 minutes while the EMT's did CPR.
>The IV, infibibulation (sp), and teh drugs could not have been provided
>by normal medical technicians.  She needed professional help.  Now if JJ
>didn't have that RN and technician there, the woman who OD's probably
>would've died.  I don't know when brain cells start dying, but it's
>cutting it close in her case.
>
I hear you Andrew.  I'm sorry if I sounded flippant when I posted that.
-mark

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Ok all we are arrangning a bus to go to Emerald Forest from the Cleveland and
Pittsburgh areas. Hers the deal we need 46 people to be able to do it. We
will stop in Pittsburgh at a point on the drivers route to pick up pitts
people. We now have 37 seats left. The price is $45. This includes the ride
there and back and your ticket into the party. The bus is a greyhound size
bus with tv+vcr,air conditioning,reclining seats and bathroom. For those of you
contemplating it I cant' emphasize enough how to get your tickets ASAP. Here's
how in pittsburgh call michelle danny at 412-798-9834...In Cleveland call 
216-238-1451 and press 3 on a touch tone phone or call Deep Records at 
216-382-3101. Ok peace out.

Kevin
Shaft

