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Subject: Re: [mw] ?

i sjhall mow pollute mw-rabes via MOBILE DEBICEA
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> also, what were all the anti-war people doing when Clinton was bombing the
> shit out of iraq?

being useless, same as they are now.


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In a message dated 3/1/2003 12:03:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
ryry317@pobox.com writes:

> I have heard him on the radio only once and that was a long time ago.  Why
> does he scare you?  Last I heard him he was talking about how the whole war
> in Afghanistan is about oil and that no matter what an oil pipeline would 
> be
> built in that country.  Then about a month ago USA Today buried an article
> to like the 8th page about the pipeline construction.  Sounds like a pretty
> smart guy to be calling the war on terrorism what it really is.

I've never heard him mention anything about oil.  Actually, he calls out Bush 
for being too big of a pussy, and not taking out about half the world right 
now.  He actually mentioned that we need another McCarthy, because the 
conservatives are too big of pussies to start something like that.  His 
three-prong motto "Borders, Language, Culture" is everything that America is 
NOT about: closing the borders, forcing people to assimilate to our (white) 
culture.

He also brags on his son's Hummer, and how much he loves it.  I don't think 
he's that concerned about oil.

For you kids in Cincy/Dayton, he's on 550 AM from 7 - 10.

meep

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Saturday March 1st @Smartbar

Come out to hear some rockin, groovin, beatin house music! Show your 
love!!!!! (It's only once a month!!!)

justin long - g swing, igloo, alluv, mouthful, sonic boom q101fm

natural rhythm - safe in sound, vista, seasons

mike pugh

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does any body hear remember names like beverly hills 808303, universal 
indicator, trackhead steve, electronic music foundation, djax and 
djungel-fever? does anybody remember the underground days when this music 
was anti-conformist and unformated and it wasnt a cool party unless it was 
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>does any body hear remember names like beverly hills 808303, universal 
>indicator, trackhead steve, electronic music foundation, djax and 
>djungel-fever? does anybody remember the underground days when this music 
>was anti-conformist and unformated and it wasnt a cool party unless it was 
>in an old wearhouse and analog shit on the speakers?


wow, I haven't thought about djax in years....

doin the time warp,

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<<does any body hear remember names like beverly hills 808303, universal 
indicator, trackhead steve, electronic music foundation, djax and 
djungel-fever? does anybody remember the underground days when this music 
was anti-conformist and unformated and it wasnt a cool party unless it was 
in an old wearhouse and analog shit on the speakers? >>

Hell yeah dude...when map points actually were needed, when you could bring 
back packs and candy to parties.  I remember when you could go to a party 
and not worry about 35 people comming up to you and asking you if you had 
any drugs.  Everyone knew who had the drugs, and whether you did them or not 
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yes. but we lurk and are "old" now.

On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, bill converse wrote:

> does any body hear remember names like beverly hills 808303, universal 
> indicator, trackhead steve, electronic music foundation, djax and 
> djungel-fever? does anybody remember the underground days when this music 
> was anti-conformist and unformated and it wasnt a cool party unless it was 
> in an old wearhouse and analog shit on the speakers?
> 
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> hahah. You said verified, source, and CNN in the same sentence!!! CNN
> is run ny liberals.

Nick, I would probably guess that you've never met anyone who you'd
recognize as a New York liberal. There's a decent possibility that
you've never spent any amount of meaningful time in New York. I'm almost
certain that you've never met anyone who works for CNN. It's almost
negligible that you've ever studied Liberalism in the Classical or
modern sense, even know who Adam Smith is, or really know anything about
the origins and implications of the term that you're throwing around.

Aside from (of late) being a red flag word in any discussion, meaning
"this person is dealing in meaningless, polemical political bullshit,"
"Liberal" has an actual, academic definition. 

Honestly, without looking it up right now on the Intar-Net (that tome of
infinite, immutable truth), could you even give the academic definition
of the term "Liberal," or are you "conservative" enough to be happy with
raping the English language to prove an unprovable point?

I would particularly advise against using "New York Liberal" with only a
partial undersanding of it's (unfortunately) history and meaning. It has
an especially loathesome set of racist and politically sketchy
connotations that you may not be aware of. 

Cheers, 
Zoe

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Subject: [mw] Re: Why war is the worst solution.

[spank <nh@allways.nu>] wrote:

> so what would anyone suggest that we do? nothing?

Good question - I'm glad somebody asked. Apologies in advance for the
dissertation that follows...

I'm personally in favor of the plan put forth by Germany, France, and
Russia - to utilize an international force of  U.N. troops in Iraq to
absolutely ensure compliance with the inspections, peacefully if
possible, with military action as a last resort.

You can read the text of the memorandum proposed by France, Germany,
and Russia here: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2003/02/24/31749.html

I do think it demeans the authority of the U.N. as a world governing
body in a serious way when Iraq does not comply with a resolution to
give full disclosure on weapons of mass destruction. I don't actually
believe that Iraq actually *has* vast reserves of dangerous weapons -
but the former point is important enough to warrant international
attention. But rather than countering this dangerously dismissive
attitude with an action that's similarly destructive and dismissive (a
rogue war without consensus, at the risk of alienating important
allies), I think we should adopt Schroder and Chirac's plan. This seems
to me like the more intelligent and less costly option at the moment -
and international crises of diplomacy notwithstanding, with our budget
deficit, we can't really afford a war.

If this is actually a war on terrorism, I think it needs to be unified
in order to be effective. Scattered countries bickering about
fundamental issues is dangerous and absolutely the wrong way to respond
to guerilla terrorist tactics.

To respond to another point that's been raised, I'd like to question the
claim that the proposed war has something to do with the human rights of
the people of Iraq. To believe that the U.S. Administration is
interested in such a thing is naive.  We don't have such a fabulous
track record of supporting democracies in developing countries (for
example, toppling democratically elected regimes in a variety of Latin
American countries and replacing them with oppressive dictators
sympathetic to capitalist causes - ostensibly to "stablilize" the
region," etc. Examples are well-documented). I have no assurance that
this scenario isn't in fact what Bush Jr. has in mind for Iraq.

Relatedly, today I came across this article about the U.S. media's role
in the push towards war:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2796769.stm. 

Cheers,
Zoe

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"all the jewey grad students make some noise"
-or-
"new yorkers should stay there"


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> hahah. You said verified, source, and CNN in the same sentence!!! CNN
> is run ny liberals.

Nick, I would probably guess that you've never met anyone who you'd
recognize as a New York liberal. There's a decent possibility that
you've never spent any amount of meaningful time in New York. I'm almost
certain that you've never met anyone who works for CNN. It's almost
negligible that you've ever studied Liberalism in the Classical or
modern sense, even know who Adam Smith is, or really know anything about
the origins and implications of the term that you're throwing around.

Aside from (of late) being a red flag word in any discussion, meaning
"this person is dealing in meaningless, polemical political bullshit,"
"Liberal" has an actual, academic definition. 

Honestly, without looking it up right now on the Intar-Net (that tome of
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of the term "Liberal," or are you "conservative" enough to be happy with
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connotations that you may not be aware of. 

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Zoe

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[my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
> "all the jewey grad students make some noise"
> -or-
> "new yorkers should stay there"

or, "You fucking racist cunt, eat shit and die".

Love,
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http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/shutupcommunistnazijew.g
if

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[my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
> "all the jewey grad students make some noise"
> -or-
> "new yorkers should stay there"

or, "You fucking racist cunt, eat shit and die".

Love,
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Mmmmm...human slime.

Seriously though, who ever put this rhymes-with-runt in charge?


Tom

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>http://www.freep.com/entertainment/newsandreviews/demf28_20030228.htm
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> For you kids in Cincy/Dayton, he's on 550 AM from 7 - 10.
>

Anyone in Cincy/Dayton/Indianapolis should be listening to Bill
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> [my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
> > "all the jewey grad students make some noise"
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> > "new yorkers should stay there"
> 
> or, "You fucking racist cunt, eat shit and die".
> 
> Love,
> Zoe

Pro-Zionist cunt?


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In a message dated 3/1/2003 4:43:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> Anyone in Cincy/Dayton/Indianapolis should be listening to Bill
> Cunningham.700AM WLW.  I really like his show.

I cannot fucking stand Bill Cunnhingham.  He makes no sense, and is an 
absolute waste of broadcast airtime.  I like McConnell, tho.  McConnell is a 
lot more moderate than he thinks he is, and usually is logical and makes 
sense.  Cunnhingham blathers and actually seems to try to offend people.

Come 12 noon, tho, I'm over to 1410, WING AM, to catch the last couple hours 
of Mr. Tony Kornheiser, boyeeee.

meep

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There should be a blacklist for anyone who plays at any
of this bitch's events, anyone who attends her events,
anyone who sponsors her events, and any venue that
holds her events.

-J.LO


On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:31:41 -0800 (PST), Tom
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> 
> Mmmmm...human slime.
> 
> Seriously though, who ever put this rhymes-with-runt
in
> charge?
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> atomly wrote:
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> ><a
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Subject: RE: [mw] what a dumb bitch

she on our do not deliver list.

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There should be a blacklist for anyone who plays at any
of this bitch's events, anyone who attends her events,
anyone who sponsors her events, and any venue that
holds her events.

-J.LO


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Defending his weiner.

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> also, what were all the anti-war people doing when Clinton was bombing

> the shit out of iraq?

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>From: "bill converse" <bill_converse@hotmail.com>
>does any body hear remember names like beverly hills 808303, universal 
>indicator, trackhead steve, electronic music foundation, djax and 
>djungel-fever? does anybody remember the underground days when this music 
>was anti-conformist and unformated and it wasnt a cool party unless it was 
>in an old wearhouse and analog shit on the speakers?


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>
>Anyone else read Michael Savage.


I'm more of a Dan Savage fan.....

>   That dude scares me.  What scares me more,
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From: "Rich G" <rikishi62@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:10:34 -0700
Subject: Re: [mw] NRR: ADD and BUSH

<<He/she was _born_ in this 'free' country.  No one
should have to 
leave to 
get their freedoms back.  Remember, one man's
terrorist is another 
man's 
freedom fighter.>>

I think the early American revolutionaries were
referred to as "terrorists" by the British.  I think
the Nazi's called the French Underground "terrorists"
as well.  Who exactly is a terrorist?  Obviously not
the ones who write the history books...

This raises an question that will only be interesting
to sci-fi geeks.  Was Luke Skywalker and Obi-Wan
terrorists when they blew up the Death Star?


> That comment was referring to his remark about him
> calling the terrorist attack justice.  Your right,
no
> one should.  I just would not want to share a
country
> with someone who would devalue sept 11.  

Then leave!  Decrease the number of sheep in this
country and let those of us who are skeptical enough
to see the run this country.  And please take as many
like minded ppl with you.  That would include the
mullet wearing rednecks, the suburbanites, the
Klansmen, and the carnies.  Just because carnies creep
me out.  Ok, I'll make you a deal.  Just take the
carnies and I'll call it even.

Truth of the matter is that Sept 11th is no more or
less special than any other act of violence that takes
place in the world every single day.  It is arrogant
to assume that it's somehow special because it
happened here.  The world has ALWAYS been a violent
place and ALWAYS WILL BE.  Considering how many ppl
harbor negative views about this country and the folks
who run it, it was only a matter of time before
someone took a shot at us.

If you find yourself thinking that we're special
because a terrible tragedy happend here and the rest
of the world should suffer because of it then I
suggest you take the nearest metal fork and jab it
into a nearby electrical socket.  Please earn yourself
a Darwin Award.  

If you're not planning on lighting yourself up like a
Xmas tree then I suggest getting used to it.  History
is filled with events just like Sept 11th and worse. 
Horrible things will continue to happen as long as
there is someone around to actually do the deeds.  And
that means that as long as the population of Earth is
> 1 person then we can expect more bad things to
happen and more ppl to get killed / maimed / castrated
/ painted funny colors.

That reminds me.  WTF is up w/ ppl who have those
"9/11/2001 - Never Again" stickers on their cars?  Are
they stupid?  Yeah, dumbass, it will never be
9/11/2001 ever again.  It also won't be any day prior
to that day ever again.  It will never be today again
either.  Would you like a fucking sticker for that,
too?????

(and yes I'm a very cynical person)




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On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Eleven Fingerfreak wrote:

>That reminds me.  WTF is up w/ ppl who have those
>"9/11/2001 - Never Again" stickers on their cars?  Are
>they stupid?  Yeah, dumbass, it will never be
>9/11/2001 ever again.  It also won't be any day prior
>to that day ever again.  It will never be today again
>either.  Would you like a fucking sticker for that,
>too?????
>

seeing that today happens to be 3/03/03... sure, i'll take a sticker.

happy new year again.

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Subject: Re: [mw] NRR: ADD and BUSH

<<Then leave!  Decrease the number of sheep in this
country and let those of us who are skeptical enough
to see the run this country.  And please take as many
like minded ppl with you.  That would include the
mullet wearing rednecks, the suburbanites, the
Klansmen, and the carnies.  Just because carnies creep
me out.  Ok, I'll make you a deal.  Just take the
carnies and I'll call it even.>>

Why are you telling me to leave?  your the one so unhappy with this 
government and how its being run.  Where do you fall in this categorization 
of the american populace?  I guess your just sitting on the outside, 
deriding all those for their opinions or the way they live.

<<Truth of the matter is that Sept 11th is no more or
less special than any other act of violence that takes
place in the world every single day.  It is arrogant
to assume that it's somehow special because it
happened here.  The world has ALWAYS been a violent
place and ALWAYS WILL BE.  Considering how many ppl
harbor negative views about this country and the folks
who run it, it was only a matter of time before
someone took a shot at us.>>

Oh, my bad.  3000 civilians get wacked in one horrific incident every day.  
You are an idiot.  It is special because this is MY country.  When MY 
countrymen die, it is a horrible event.  BECAUSE I HAVE PRIDE IN THIS 
COUNTRY.  Regardless if u support president bush or not, at least have the 
human decency to mourn those people that died.  To trivialize what happened 
is a disgusting thing to do.  Your right, the world is a violent place, and 
it always will be, but that doesnt mean that we should just accept such 
things as fact, and continue on in our lives like nothing happened.

<<If you find yourself thinking that we're special
because a terrible tragedy happend here and the rest
of the world should suffer because of it then I
suggest you take the nearest metal fork and jab it
into a nearby electrical socket.  Please earn yourself
a Darwin Award.>>

I never said the rest of the world should suffer, but there comes a time 
when people have to defend their homes and their culture, and if that means 
to invade Iraq, so be it.  Your petty insults and shitty logic are useless.

<<If you're not planning on lighting yourself up like a
Xmas tree then I suggest getting used to it.  History
is filled with events just like Sept 11th and worse.
Horrible things will continue to happen as long as
there is someone around to actually do the deeds.  And
that means that as long as the population of Earth is
>1 person then we can expect more bad things to
happen and more ppl to get killed / maimed / castrated
/ painted funny colors.>>

I refuse to get used to things like this.  Your right, history is filled 
with events like 9-11, and indeed much worse, but obeying your logic, we 
should just stand aside and take it for a matter of fact that people kille 
each other.  believe in the greater good man, believe in something other 
than your cynicism.

<<That reminds me.  WTF is up w/ ppl who have those
"9/11/2001 - Never Again" stickers on their cars?  Are
they stupid?  Yeah, dumbass, it will never be
9/11/2001 ever again.  It also won't be any day prior
to that day ever again.  It will never be today again
either.  Would you like a fucking sticker for that,
too?????>>

I think you make fun of them because they have something you lack, 
patriotis, and a sense of betterment for a group bigger than 
themselves..a.k.a. America...



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Subject: Re: [mw] NRR: ADD and BUSH

Rich,

  You constantly refer to peoples petty insults, right after you call them 
an idiot.. its almost mind numbing..

  Why dont you hurry up and get to Chicago, so we can discuss this face to 
face...

(0_o)


>From: "Rich G" <rikishi62@hotmail.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] NRR: ADD and BUSH
>Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:49:27 -0700
>
><<Then leave!  Decrease the number of sheep in this
>country and let those of us who are skeptical enough
>to see the run this country.  And please take as many
>like minded ppl with you.  That would include the
>mullet wearing rednecks, the suburbanites, the
>Klansmen, and the carnies.  Just because carnies creep
>me out.  Ok, I'll make you a deal.  Just take the
>carnies and I'll call it even.>>
>
>Why are you telling me to leave?  your the one so unhappy with this 
>government and how its being run.  Where do you fall in this categorization 
>of the american populace?  I guess your just sitting on the outside, 
>deriding all those for their opinions or the way they live.
>
><<Truth of the matter is that Sept 11th is no more or
>less special than any other act of violence that takes
>place in the world every single day.  It is arrogant
>to assume that it's somehow special because it
>happened here.  The world has ALWAYS been a violent
>place and ALWAYS WILL BE.  Considering how many ppl
>harbor negative views about this country and the folks
>who run it, it was only a matter of time before
>someone took a shot at us.>>
>
>Oh, my bad.  3000 civilians get wacked in one horrific incident every day.  
>You are an idiot.  It is special because this is MY country.  When MY 
>countrymen die, it is a horrible event.  BECAUSE I HAVE PRIDE IN THIS 
>COUNTRY.  Regardless if u support president bush or not, at least have the 
>human decency to mourn those people that died.  To trivialize what happened 
>is a disgusting thing to do.  Your right, the world is a violent place, and 
>it always will be, but that doesnt mean that we should just accept such 
>things as fact, and continue on in our lives like nothing happened.
>
><<If you find yourself thinking that we're special
>because a terrible tragedy happend here and the rest
>of the world should suffer because of it then I
>suggest you take the nearest metal fork and jab it
>into a nearby electrical socket.  Please earn yourself
>a Darwin Award.>>
>
>I never said the rest of the world should suffer, but there comes a time 
>when people have to defend their homes and their culture, and if that means 
>to invade Iraq, so be it.  Your petty insults and shitty logic are useless.
>
><<If you're not planning on lighting yourself up like a
>Xmas tree then I suggest getting used to it.  History
>is filled with events just like Sept 11th and worse.
>Horrible things will continue to happen as long as
>there is someone around to actually do the deeds.  And
>that means that as long as the population of Earth is
>>1 person then we can expect more bad things to
>happen and more ppl to get killed / maimed / castrated
>/ painted funny colors.>>
>
>I refuse to get used to things like this.  Your right, history is filled 
>with events like 9-11, and indeed much worse, but obeying your logic, we 
>should just stand aside and take it for a matter of fact that people kille 
>each other.  believe in the greater good man, believe in something other 
>than your cynicism.
>
><<That reminds me.  WTF is up w/ ppl who have those
>"9/11/2001 - Never Again" stickers on their cars?  Are
>they stupid?  Yeah, dumbass, it will never be
>9/11/2001 ever again.  It also won't be any day prior
>to that day ever again.  It will never be today again
>either.  Would you like a fucking sticker for that,
>too?????>>
>
>I think you make fun of them because they have something you lack, 
>patriotis, and a sense of betterment for a group bigger than 
>themselves..a.k.a. America...
>
>
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<<Rich,

You constantly refer to peoples petty insults, right after you call them an 
idiot.. its almost mind numbing..

Why dont you hurry up and get to Chicago, so we can discuss this face to 
face... >>

Good point...i apologize for that...i just get emotional about things i 
believe in strongly, like a lot of people on this list...ill try to keep the 
"petty insults" to a minimum...

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> > So the words of liars and elitist are somehow more valid than Rush
Limbaugh?
> > Laughable.
> >
>
> Funny... I always viewed Rush Limbaugh as a liar, elitist, AND laughable.
>
> Anyone else read Michael Savage.   That dude scares me.  What scares me
more,
> is that people worship his every word.

    Limbaugh and Savage make good money spouting bullshit, telling people
what to think, and generally riling up ultra-conservatives. They are both
known to lie constantly, make things up, contradict themselves, and
generally make asses of themselves to anyone with the brains to think about
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guys you already know they're full of shit.

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> I have heard him on the radio only once and that was a long time ago.  Why
> does he scare you?  Last I heard him he was talking about how the whole
war
> in Afghanistan is about oil and that no matter what an oil pipeline would
be
> built in that country.  Then about a month ago USA Today buried an article
> to like the 8th page about the pipeline construction.  Sounds like a
pretty
> smart guy to be calling the war on terrorism what it really is.

    What's sad is that you think it takes a pretty smart guy to figure that
one out. The pipeline shit is old news.

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>
>
>     What's sad is that you think it takes a pretty smart guy to figure
that
> one out. The pipeline shit is old news.

The whole point was that the original message was trying to say he is a
conservative puppet of the Republicans.  Bashing the government for their
war over there and saying it's all about oil is _not_ following the
Republican press releases.  For a radio talk show host who, from what others
here have said, is nothing but a puppet for the right-wing...I say he's
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>I say he's pretty smart if he can figure out these wars are
> for nothing but oil.

anyone with half a clue knows that oil is only part of the reason we're
over there.  people complain about "conservative puppets" and then
mindlessly chant the "omfg no blood for oil!!!1" mantra that's so popular
with the hey-i-wear-my-politics-on-buttons-and-detest-the-act-of-bathing
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Subject: ACTION ALERT: Congress Seeks to Ban Live Music and Dancing

***CONGRESS SEEKS TO BAN LIVE MUSIC AND DANCING!!
***COULD HAPPEN THIS YEAR; WE NEED YOUR HELP

Congress is considering two pieces of legislation that could
effectively ban live music and dancing, while throwing innocent
people like you in jail. If enacted, either bill could prevent you
from hearing your favorite band or DJ live. Every musical style would
be affected, including rock and roll, Hip Hop, country, and
electronic music. Both bills would allow overzealous prosecutors to
send innocent people to jail for the crimes of others. The two bills
are the RAVE Act (H.R. 718) and the CLEAN-UP Act (H.R. 834). Both
could be passed this year without your help. (Links to the Acts text
provided below.)

The RAVE Act would make it easier for the federal government to
punish property owners for any drug offense that their customers
commit - even if they work hard to stop such offenses. If enacted,
nightclub and stadium owners would likely stop holding events - such
as rock or Hip Hop concerts - in which even one person might use
drugs.  Similarly, the CLEAN-UP Act contains provisions that would
make it a federal crime - punishable by up to nine years in prison -
to promote "any rave, dance, music or other entertainment event" that
might attract some attendees that would use or sell drugs. In both
cases, it doesn't matter if the concert promoter and property owner
try to prevent people from using drugs. Nor does it matter if the
vast majority of people attending the event are law-abiding citizens
that want to listen to music, not do drugs.

If either the CLEAN-UP Act or the RAVE Act becomes law, Congress
could effectively ban live music and dancing, as well as any other
event that might attract someone that would use drugs (essentially
any event that draws a large crowd). Your help is needed to stop
these bills from becoming law!!! Dancing, singing, and playing music
should not be a federal crime!

ACTIONS TO TAKE

*** Fax your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose the RAVE Act
in its entirety and to oppose Section 305 in the CLEAN-UP Act. You
can fax your Representative for free by going to
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** Please forward this action alert to your friends and family.
Unless Congress hears from thousands of voters these two bills could
easily become law.

BACKGROUND

The RAVE Act was first introduced last year in the Senate by Senator
Joe Biden (D-DE). A House version was introduced by Rep. Lamar Smith
(R-TX). Thanks to the support of thousands of voters like you, Drug
Policy Alliance and a coalition of friends and activists around the
country was able to stop both bills last year. Unfortunately,
supporters of the RAVE Act are even more determined to pass it this
year. Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC) is sponsoring a new RAVE Act in the
House. Additionally, Senator Biden has introduced a Senate version
entitled the Illicit Drugs Anti-Proliferation Act.

If enacted, both the House RAVE Act and the Senate Anti-Proliferation
Act would make it easier for federal prosecutors to fine and imprison
business owners that fail to stop drug offenses from occurring.
Businessmen and women could be prosecuted even if they were not
involved in drugs - and even if they took steps to stop drug use on
their property. Although proponents of the bill are seeking to target
raves (and DJs, nightclub owners, and rave promoters have the most to
fear), the law would apply to any business owner, including bar
owners, motel owners, concert promoters, and cruise ship owners.
Because of its broad language, the proposed law would even
potentially subject people to twenty years in federal prison if one
or more of their guests smoked marijuana at their party or barbecue.

For more information on the RAVE Act and Drug Policy Alliance's
campaign to stop it, see:
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A full text of the bill can be viewed at:
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The CLEAN-UP Act was also first introduced last year, but it failed
to make it out of committee. This year's bill already has over 60 co-
sponsors and could become law without your help. Sponsored by Rep.
Doug Ose (R-CA), the Clean, Learn, Educate, Abolish, and Undermine
Production (CLEAN-UP) of Methamphetamines Act is largely an innocuous
bill that provides more money and training for the clean up of
illegal methamphetamine laboratories. Hidden within the bill,
however, is a draconian section that could make dancing and live
music federal crimes.

Section 305 of the CLEAN-UP Act stipulates that:

'Whoever, for a commercial purpose, knowingly promotes any rave,
dance, music, or other entertainment event, that takes place under
circumstances where the promoter knows or reasonably ought to know
that a controlled substance will be used or distributed in violation
of Federal law or the law of the place where the event is held, shall
be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not
more than 9 years, or both.'

Under the provision, any concert promoter, nightclub owner and arena
or stadium owner could be fined and jailed, since a reasonable person
would know some people use drugs at musical events. A full text of
the bill can be viewed at:

<http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?
dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:h834ih.txt.pdf>

Opponents of the bills fear that both proposed laws would be used by
racist or homophobic prosecutors to target Hip Hop and R&B concerts
and gay and lesbian nightclubs. Both bills would also eradicate
electronic dance music and culture, as we know it.

Fax your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose the RAVE Act in
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Man charged after refusing to remove pro-peace shirt in mall









Albany, New York-AP -- The shirt said "Peace on Earth" and "Give peace a chance."

And Stephen Downs said he'd rather be arrested than take it off. 



That's exactly what happened at a suburban Albany, New York mall. 



Downs says security guards at Crossgates Mall approached him and his 31-year-old son and were told to either take off the shirts or leave the mall. 



They refused. The guards returned with a police officer who repeated the ultimatum. The son took off his shirt, but Downs again refused -- and told the officer to arrest him if he had to. So the cuffs went on. 



Downs pleaded innocent to trespassing charges Tuesday night. 



The local police chief said his officers were simply responding to a call by mall security. He says the mall is private property -- and the men had been asked to leave. 



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Subject: [mw] Event Listings for the weekend of 3/7 - 3/9

For information on all the electronic music events in Ohio, Kentucky, and=

Indiana, check out the Ravetrash Message Board...

http://www.mechamix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D1630

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EVENTS FOR THE WEEKEND OF 3.7.03 - 3.9.03 =

scroll down to see event descriptions =


FRIDAY: =


WORQ IT - DAYTON, OH =

ATLANTIS - CINCINNATI, OH =

ASCEND - COLUMBUS, OH =


SATURDAY: =


YOU ARE HOUSE - COLUMBUS, OH =

CARPE NOCTEM - TOLEDO, OH =

POETRY SLAM - CINCINNATI, OH =

SIMPLY JEFF @ 1120 - CINCINNATI, OH =

STATIC V1.0 - LEXINGTON, KY =

DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY - SOUTHERN, IN =


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Flashpoint Rec. & Buckwyld Ent. present =

:::WORQ IT!::: =

friday,march 7th,Dayton,Ohio =

@ Club Fusion (formerly asylum) 605 s. patterson blvd. =


and for the DJs: =


DJ DAN_ =

san fran:Kinetic.Moonshine.Smi(e =

Called +IBw-America+IBk-s most beloved DJ+IB0 by URB Magazine, DJ Dan hel=
ped
transform the 90+IBk-s into a decade of dance. His unerring feel for dive=
rse
styles has earned him admiration throughout America and the world. =


PAUL BIRKEN_(live pa) =

minneaoplis:Catalyst.Framework.Tonewrecker =

Paul's live sets include everything from new trax that you'll never hear =
on a
release to last minute remixes of his own cuts, or even other artists tra=
x
that he wants to include in the 60-90 minute set. Each set is unique in t=
hat
it gets erased after the event and won't be heard again. =


MOWGLI_w/ MC's Kwest On & Stealth - cinasty: CBS.East Side,UK.Wellknowndj=
s.com
- D&B =

NOSTALGIC - dayton : Downtown Ent. - Funky disco house =

NAUTIGROOVE - cincinnati: Inthegroove - Trance =

D8A - dayton : Buckwyld Ent. - Hard House/Techno =

RUN RUN SHAW - dayton: Liquid Dojo - Tech-house =

MATT FREEMAN (cd release) - dayton: Flashpoint/Illuminator - Techno/Hard =
Acid
House =

MIKE DONOVAN (cd release) - dayton : Bounce Theory - Deep House =

DOUG COLLINS - dayton: Fusion Niteclub - Funky House =

ERIK HEIL - dayton: Asylum - progressive house =

LMNO - cincinnati: Legion Of Boom, True Blue - next step d&b =



_vending by TRUE BLUE_ =


_____AFTERHOURS INFO_____ =


Meet Dj Dan & Paul Birken @ the afterhours =

located @ PEARL. 101 st. clair street. =

w/djS_ =

Digital Psykosis =

Run Run Shaw =

Kwest-on (dj set) =

Trepp =

Dj Starfish =

& more tba. =


DIRECTIONS TO THE AFTERHOURS FROM FUSION =

-take left out of venue, veer right at the stoplight.take left on 4th st.=
,
corner of 4th & st. clair, 2 mins. away =

3:00am-??? =


FLASHPOINT INFO : (937)229.9203 =

BUCKWYLD LINE: (937)640.2925 =

WISHING WELL: (513)665.6572 =

mattfreeman76@aol.com =

djmattfreeman@yahoo.com =

this event will be 18 & up =

$12 before 11:00 =

$15 after 11:00 =


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SMOKIN' 5.1.3 PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS.... =

ATLANTIS.... =

Friday March 7th, 2003 =

CINCINNATI =


Going back to the roots with a bangin' $5 party! =


DJ Krazee, hard house, booty, jomama prod., true sound ent. =

DJ Swisher, hard house, trance, smokin'513 prod. =

Darkside, funky breaks, smokin'513 prod. =

Naymliss, DnB, funky house =

DJ Yeah-Yeah, trance =

MC Naty Whyte, smokin'513 prod. =


the party is at: =


club venus =

1314 vine street cincinnati, oh =


$5 at door, no pre-sales, 18&up, 21 to drink =

$1 domestic beers! $3 well drinks =


BE READY FOR A GOOD VIBE AND A GREAT PARTY =

ARRIVE EARLY, MUSIC STARTS @ 10:30 AND WON'T STOP UNITLL AT LEAST 4:30!! =


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Ascension_Am presents "Ascend" =

Friday March 7th =


AT THE STANDARD LOUNGE =

COLUMBUS =


Ascension Artist Management invites you to celebrate the inaugural event =
in a
series set to showcase the future of columbus' true-school underground. =


Featuring Flagship djs for the night.... =


Mark Mayhem =

house.trance.ascension_am =


Kid Chaosscratchedelic house muzik.ascension_am =


Aus-10 =

dnb. ascension_am =


Sparrow =

house. ascension_am =

Come start your night off right and check out nathan as he opens the nigh=
t
with some deep funky soulfull house. =


This event will be 18+ACs with only a $4 cover =


For questions or info email Ascensionartistmgmt@yahoo.com =


This month Ascend will be located at Standard Lounge 303 south front st.
(Downtown Columbus, OH) =


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You Are House =

deep and disco house at Red-16 =


Saturday, March 8th =

COLUMBUS =


w/ guest dj's: =


Jason "Lemon" Lyman (GoDown, Brique Rouge, PCP, Selekta) =


Walker Evans ( www.columbusunderground.com ) =


& resident dj: =

Douglas Black (Headroom Digital, Penetrate, Proceed) =


9pm-1? =

$5 =

ALL AGES =

BYOB =


@ =


RED-16 =

127 E. 16th Ave. =

Columbus, OH =

www.red-16.com =


questions??? =

email youarehouse@hotmail.com =


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Black Sun Entertainment Presents: =

Carpe Noctem - Seize the Night =

March 8th 2003 =

Toledo, OH =


Featuring =


Dj Dara - NYC, NY - DnB - BreakBeatScience, PlanetOfTheDrums, Am Only =


As a result from both his successful DJing and recording endeavors, Dara =
has
become one of the most recognizable faces on the US drum 'n' bass scene. =
He
has been featured in countless magazine appearances and interviews both i=
n the
US and worldwide. He can be found making his annual appearance at the
legendary Notting Hill Carnival along with raves and clubs all across the=
 US.
For some time Dara was also the host of a weekly web-TV show Velocity on =
which
he has interviewed some of the leading names in drum 'n' bass, including =
Jonny
L, Kemistry and Storm, Trace, Ed Rush and Optical, Hype, Andy C, Zinc, SS=
 and
many others. =


Dj Abstract - San Francisco, CA - DnB - Phunckateck Communications, Pneum=
a
Recordings, Just 2 Management, www.justtwo.com, www.djabstract.com =


Abstract is widely considered to be one of the most influential players i=
n the
United States drum and bass scene - from throwing the seminal Bay Area we=
ekly
"Energi" to Djing with Phunckateck Communications to starting his label P=
neuma
Recordings, Alex has dedicated all his spare energy and time into helping=
 to
forge what is now one of the nation's strongest scenes in San Francisco. =
Over
the eight years that he's been djing, Alex has become famous for his seam=
less
mixing, impeccable track selection, and his ability to move any crowd (an=

ability that has brought him requests from all over the United States and=
 as
far away as Ireland, Denmark, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, and Russia), but t=
hese
days he's also known as one of the US's most well-respected producers. =


Jen Lasher - Washington, DC - Funky/NuSkool Breaks - Object Oriented Blis=
s,
GrooveFuel AM =


A member of the Object-Oriented Bliss DJ collective, Jen Lasher has come =
into
her own as one of America's Breakbeat up and comers. Her smooth mixing sk=
ills
and taste in phat beats have gained the attention of some of the biggest =
names
in breakbeat. She recently signed the elite breakbeat roster of GrooveFue=
l AM
with the likes of Jackal & Hyde, The Funk Lab, and Josef Plante. =


T.Linder - Detroit, MI - Techno - Deep Heat =


Born and raised in Metro Detroit, T.Linder grew up listening to a variety=
 of
sounds, everything from the late '80s hip hop of Eric B and Rakim to the
thundering beats of Led Zeppelin and dark Delta Blues of Robert Johnson.
T.Linder has played alongside many of techno's innovators. In January of =
1999
he opened for techno originators Kevin Saunderson and Derrick May when th=
ey
performed a historic 4 turntable tagteam at the first Intuit-Solar annive=
rsary
party. In 2000 he played at the World Electronic Music =

Festival in Ontario, Canada. In 2001, T.Linder performed at events as div=
erse
as the Immedia1901 Electronic Art Show at the University of Michigan and =
the
final live performance of Electro/Techno legends, AUX 88. While he was a
regular performer at one of Detroit's hottest deep house nights, "Deep He=
at
Detroit", Linder was invited to perform at the world's largest free music=

event, the Detroit Electronic Music Festival. He currently holds a weekly=

residency at "The Next Level" at Foran's Pub in Detroit. =



Dj Mowgli - Cincy, OH - DnB - CBS, Eastside U.K., Focalpoint,
Wellknowndjs.com, Gravity Bass Federation - w/ MC Stealth =

Dj D8a - Dayton, OH - Hard House/Chicago House - Buckwyld Entertainment =

Dj Funkin 28 - Toledo, OH - Breaks and Techno - 6ft Undaground Production=
s =

Goodwill 2x4 Dj Quake - Toledo, OH - DnB - Dirty Kru, Black Sun Entertain=
ment

Ronin Selecta vs Scotty V - Detroit, MI - DnB - Rewind! Records, BBE =

Dj Arum - South Bend, IN - Deep House/Deep Trance - Party Til Dawn Produc=
tion,
The Committe =

Clayborn - Louisville, KY - Breaks/2step - Wishing Well, Breakline Crew =

Foursquare - Louisville, KY - House - Wishing Well =

NautiKat - Columbus OH - UK Hardhouse/Trance - Ascension_AM =

Dj Link - Toledo, OH - DnB - Sewerscape Productions =

Dj Evertrue - Columbus, OH - HHC - Snarf Productions, raversonly.com =

Joe King - Toledo, OH - Techno - Black Sun Entertainment =

Dirk Diggler - Toledo, OH - Hard House/Breaks - Black Sun Entertainment,
Sewerscape Productions =

Dj Alastair - Toledo, OH - Jungle - Dirty Kru, Black Sun Entertainment =


Doors Open at 8pm =

infoline - 4198700597 =

www.blacksunentertainment.com =

$20 at the door =

$15 out of state =


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Spoken Word Event @ True Blue (free!!) =

Saturday March 8th =


True Blue is hosting a spoken word event this saturday from 4pm until 8pm=
=2E All
styles of spoken word are welcome including but not limited to: rap, poet=
ry,
and floetry. =


_________________ =

True Blue =

6 W Corry St =

(PO box 19606) =

Cincinnati, OH 45219 =

(513)221-TRUE =

(866)746-3653 =

trueblue@queencity.com =

www.truebluestore.com =


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Sat. 3/8/03 =

1120-Cincinnati presents: =

SIMPLY JEFF-LOS ANGELES (MOONSHINE MUSIC/PHONOMENTAL) =


 =

live and direct from 1120. If you are into the funky breakbeat sound this=

left-coast pioneer is NOT one to miss. This well-travelled veteran of the=
 US
rave and club scene has graduated to become one of the top draws in the
country and has seen his latest mix cds released by heavyweight Moonshine=

Music. If you buy breaks tracks dont miss his new/recent label PHONOMENTA=
L
which features Jeff and his like minded contemporaries banging the funk o=
n
wax. (see his full bio @ the end of this post). =


also featuring your 1120 superstar resident djs (in rotation) =

TREVOR LAMONT-LEXINGTON =

BOB A DOB-CINCINNATI =

JAY DOWNS-CINCINNATI =

MATT ICE-CINCINNATI =

THADDEUS-CINCINNATI =

JAHSON (from Mood)-CINCINNATI =


+ACs special guests rocking it on 2 levels =

including downtempo and hip-hop =

in the lower level.. =

Admission only $10.00 21+ACs for admission =

(sorry, its req. for this event only!) =

Location: =

Club 1120 =

1120 Jackson St. =

Downtown Cincinnati, OH 45202-7215 =

1120 is a high quality venue designed strictly for your enjoyment and saf=
ety.
1120 features a coat check, multiple bars w/ top shelf drinks, a massive
sound, video and light rig in the main room, a second room with a comfort=
able
lounge atmosphere and is furnished throughout with fashion-forward decor
designed by PAOLO-Cincinnati. =

1120 is bordered by Central Parkway & 12th St. north to south and 1-1/2 b=
locks
from Main St, just past Walnut.-If you are familiar with the Main St.
Entertainment District, make a left off Main St. onto 12th to Jackson. Wh=
en
you see the secured parking lot, you are there. 1120 is directly across t=
he
street. Please use the lot across the street for a safe (and close) parki=
ng
location. =


Try the mapquest link below (or copy and paste each line to make one long=

string in your browser) =

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=3DUS&address=3D1120+ACs-Jack=
son&city=3DCincinnati&state=3DOH&zipcode=3D&x=3D12&y=3D8

info lines: =

513-241-9999 (Club 1120) =

513-665-9999 (Clubhead Records) =

18+ACs admitted, 21+ACs to drink alcohol =

email contact/guest list inquiries: clubhead_promo@fuse.net =


SIMPLY JEFF BIO =

Southern California's original breakbeat mogul, Simply Jeff, known global=
ly as
a DJ and producer who displays an eclectic blend of breaks which incorpor=
ate
House, Techno, Trance and Drum n' Bass into a well rounded breakbeat soun=
d.
Recognized as a pioneer of the "Funky Breaks / West Coast Breakbeat House=
"
sound in Simon Reynold's novel "Generation Ecstasy," as well as a residen=
t
Breakbeat writer for Los Angeles based BPM magazine, running his own
Phonomental Music record label and performing in clubs to major events ev=
ery
weekend, Simply Jeff is no doubt become one of America's most beloved
breakbeat heroes. =

Simply Jeff will continue to push the sound he loves the most. While work=
ing
and crossing the line with many different artist such as the godfather of=
 Hip
Hop Afrika Bambaataa, 80's pop star Stacy Q, Andrew Dice Clay to Snoop Do=
ggy
Dog, coupled with his developing side projects - Divine Frequency, S.J.P.=
 and
The Phonoheadz - Simply Jeff will constantly be challenging the limitless=

boundaries of electronic music. =


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STATIC v. 1.0::::: =

LEXINGTON,KY:::: =

SATURDAY MARCH 8th, 2003 =


DJ NITRO =

djnitro.com, jackinmusic.com, St. Louis =

The hard disco funk is coming as Nitro brings all the tricks. His latest =
works
include a remix of Donald Glaude's track "Da Bomb" on Respect Recordings =
and
also a track for the upcoming film "Firecracker". =


ALSO APPEARING: =


DIOPTRICS aka ARIEL//D&B//WELL KNOWN DJS//CINCINNATI =

One of the hottest production duos, look out for releases coming later th=
is
year. On this night Ariel will be throwing down the nasty, gritty tunes h=
e's
known for. =


LOU RAWLS//TECHNO//PROJECT 7//SKL//LOUISVILLE =


MOEDJ//HARD HOUSE & BREAKS//LEXINGTON =


STATIC will be a random occurrence to fill the everyday void of noise wit=
h
complex steady beats. Each event will be accompanied by an art exhibit fr=
om
local and regional artists, visuals by Nate FX, a special chill area, and=
 a
full bar for those of age. =


Location: The Kentucky Inn, 525 Waller Ave., Lexington, KY =

Admission: $10 for each event, limited capacity =

Hours: Doors open at 8:00 p.m. to 1:30 a.m. =

Age: 18+ACs to enter, 21+ACs to drink with valid ID =

Rules: No drugs, bottles, weapons, markers, etc... =

You will be searched, Right of Admittance Refusal =

Information: 859-294-2364, www.natefx.com =

///FREE GIVEAWAYS BY UFO JEANS!/// =


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Don+IBk-t Worry Be Happy =

3/8/2003 Southern IN =

INFO LINE: 765-677-7913 =


This party is going to be a great time so grab a smile and be happy. Admi=
ssion
will be 15 after midnight or $10 before 12:00 or with a care package dona=
tion
for overseas soldiers. We have a new venue so lets make sure that we keep=
 the
place nice and do it again. No Markers, Drugs, Alcohol, and no bad vibes.=

There will be a glowsticking contest. So bring your best moves. =


Lineup: =


Titonton Duvante: Titonton+IBk-s djing is like his music, highly emotiona=
l and
never stationary. Titonton has played throughout the US, Canada, and Euro=
pe
www.wellknowndjs.com =

Columbus, OH =


Chocolate: The Freaky AfroNaut: Chocolate has been playing the scene for =
years
now. He is a man of many talents and his set will keep you on your feet a=
nd
begging for more. www.ctfa.cjb.net =

Indianapolis, IN =


Tony Foo Yong - The man who rocked the set at Unity 2 returns for a
performance in Indiana to show midwest kids what its all about. Tony take=
s the
vibe from the crowd and puts his all right back into the tables and you g=
et
one nonstop JAM! www.NightCrawlerProductions.com =


LMNTS - www.eeindustries.com / Party Till Dawn =


Sinister - Party Til Dawn and Ascsension_AM =


Shapeshifter =


Flesch =


Smile =


9-9:45 DJ Smile =

9:45-10:45 LMNTS =

10:45-12 Sinister/Shapeshifter Tag =

12-1:30 Titonton Duvante =

1:30-3 C:TFA =

3-4:30 Tony Foo Yong =

4:30-6 Flesch =

6 party over =


The map point has been cancelled, use these directions to get to vincenne=
s,
detailed directions for the venue will be posted friday march 7. =


North: =

Get on US 41 and head south to Vincennes get off at the Hart St. exit. Le=
ft at
the light and pull into Walmart. Call for further instructions. =


North(alternate): =

Get on US 31 and head south to Indianapolis. At 465 head west and pick up=
 I-70
west to Terre Haute. At Terre Haute get on US 41 and head south to Vincen=
nes.
Left at the light and pull into Walmart. Call for further instructions. =


South: =

Get on US 31 and head north to Vincennes. Take the Hart St exit. At the l=
ight
turn right and pull into Walmart. Call for further instructions. =


West: =

Get on Hwy 50 and head east to Vincennes. From 50 get onto US 41 south an=
d
take the Hart St exit. Left at the light and pull into Walmart. Call for
further instructions. =


East 1: =

Get on I-70 and head west to Terre Haute. At Terre Haute get on US 41 and=
 head
south to Vincennes. Left at the light and pull into Walmart. Call for fur=
ther
instructions. =


East 2: =

Get on Hwy 50 and go west to Vincennes. From 50 get on US 41 south and ta=
ke
the Hart St. exit. Left at the light and pull into Walmart. Call for furt=
her
instructions. =


East 3: =

Get on I-64 and go west to Evansville. Get on US 41 and go north to Vince=
nnes.
In Vincennes take the Hart St. exit. Turn right at the light and pull int=
o
Walmart. Call for further instructions. =


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DJ Catnap
"Columbus's Best Kept Secret"
Mecha Studios
mechastudios@usa.net


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Subject: Re: [mw] careful wearing that anti-war shirt...

Nice Hotmail proxy-link :)

Here's the real one:

http://www.wpmi.com/Global/story.asp?S=1163956

    -Rob

On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:44:10AM -0800, sarah m wrote:
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> in light of recent discussion on this list i thought this might be of some interest.
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> Man charged after refusing to remove pro-peace shirt in mall
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> Albany, New York-AP -- The shirt said "Peace on Earth" and "Give peace a chance."
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> And Stephen Downs said he'd rather be arrested than take it off. 
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> That's exactly what happened at a suburban Albany, New York mall. 
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> Downs says security guards at Crossgates Mall approached him and his 31-year-old son and were told to either take off the shirts or leave the mall. 
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Subject: Re: [mw] careful wearing that anti-war shirt...

what the hell were a couple of peaceniks doing in the mall anyway?  aren't
malls just shrines to the capitalist pigs?  can they make an exception if
they have to stop by spencer's to pick up a new badge-a-minit kit?  how
did they get there, bicycle?


> Nice Hotmail proxy-link :)
>
> Here's the real one:
>
> http://www.wpmi.com/Global/story.asp?S=1163956
>
>     -Rob
>
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:44:10AM -0800, sarah m wrote:
>>
>> in light of recent discussion on this list i thought this might be of
>> some interest.
>>
>> -lain
>>
>>  http://64.4.22.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=f92c809541e495098f9167f2d0289865&lat=1046875009&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ewpmi%2ecom%2fGlobal%2fstory%2easp%3fS%3d1163956
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>> Man charged after refusing to remove pro-peace shirt in mall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Albany, New York-AP -- The shirt said "Peace on Earth" and "Give peace
>> a chance."
>>
>> And Stephen Downs said he'd rather be arrested than take it off.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's exactly what happened at a suburban Albany, New York mall.
>>
>>
>>
>> Downs says security guards at Crossgates Mall approached him and his
>> 31-year-old son and were told to either take off the shirts or leave
>> the mall.
>>
>>
>>
>> They refused. The guards returned with a police officer who repeated
>> the ultimatum. The son took off his shirt, but Downs again refused --
>> and told the officer to arrest him if he had to. So the cuffs went on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Downs pleaded innocent to trespassing charges Tuesday night.
>>
>>
>>
>> The local police chief said his officers were simply responding to a
>> call by mall security. He says the mall is private property -- and the
>> men had been asked to leave.
>>
>>
>>
>> Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
>> may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
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I am shocked...SHOCKED that there are assnugget mall security guards 
with Napoleonic complexes in this day and age, especially in our 
unfailingly friendly SUVburbs.

In other news the sun rose today, ending the deathlike uncertainty of 
night...


Serving up 200% of your RDA of sarcasm,
Tom

sarah m wrote:

>in light of recent discussion on this list i thought this might be of some interest.
>
>-lain
>
> http://64.4.22.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=f92c809541e495098f9167f2d0289865&lat=1046875009&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ewpmi%2ecom%2fGlobal%2fstory%2easp%3fS%3d1163956
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>Man charged after refusing to remove pro-peace shirt in mall
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>Albany, New York-AP -- The shirt said "Peace on Earth" and "Give peace a chance."
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>And Stephen Downs said he'd rather be arrested than take it off. 
>
>
>
>That's exactly what happened at a suburban Albany, New York mall. 
>
>
>
>Downs says security guards at Crossgates Mall approached him and his 31-year-old son and were told to either take off the shirts or leave the mall. 
>
>
>
>They refused. The guards returned with a police officer who repeated the ultimatum. The son took off his shirt, but Downs again refused -- and told the officer to arrest him if he had to. So the cuffs went on. 
>
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>
>Downs pleaded innocent to trespassing charges Tuesday night. 
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>The local police chief said his officers were simply responding to a call by mall security. He says the mall is private property -- and the men had been asked to leave. 
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Subject: RE: [mw] careful wearing that anti-war shirt...

Why can't we just shoot people that disagree with ... *blam!* *trickle
of blood*

-t

Ps - I'll take it off for a piece, wait, what were we talking about?

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I am shocked...SHOCKED that there are assnugget mall security guards=20
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unfailingly friendly SUVburbs.

In other news the sun rose today, ending the deathlike uncertainty of=20
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Cue music.
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Wah chikka wah chikka wah whang wah wah...

Tom

Tony Sebion wrote:

>Why can't we just shoot people that disagree with ... *blam!* *trickle
>of blood*
>
>-t
>
>Ps - I'll take it off for a piece, wait, what were we talking about?
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>
>I am shocked...SHOCKED that there are assnugget mall security guards 
>with Napoleonic complexes in this day and age, especially in our 
>unfailingly friendly SUVburbs.
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>In other news the sun rose today, ending the deathlike uncertainty of 
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>Serving up 200% of your RDA of sarcasm,
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Subject: [mw] War Powers

I don't want to start a debate about whether or not we should go to war,
but I'm pretty sure everybody agrees that war should be started in
Congress, as provided by the Constitution.  Well, there is a bill, House
Joint Resolution 20, "Repeal the Authorization for the Use of Military
Force in Iraq (Act of 2002)," which will give the power to start a war
back to Congress, which is, in my opinion, a great thing.

Please lobby your senators to back this bill if you agree with it.  The
list of phone numbers to call is at:

http://www.dawndc.net/NPL/priority.htm

Note that they're all in the 202 (DC) area code.

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Subject: Re: [mw] War Powers

That's a bit misleading, since there are no Constitutional rights issues 
here.  The courts have ruled that the President has the authority to 
make limited war as long as Congress doesn't object.  Since Congress has 
specifically voted to allow Bush to do what he wants in Iraq, it's 
legal.  From what I understand this bill would repeal that 
authorization, forcing Bush to keep his mits off of Iraq.


I just have to pee on everything,
Tom

atomly wrote:

>I don't want to start a debate about whether or not we should go to war,
>but I'm pretty sure everybody agrees that war should be started in
>Congress, as provided by the Constitution.  Well, there is a bill, House
>Joint Resolution 20, "Repeal the Authorization for the Use of Military
>Force in Iraq (Act of 2002)," which will give the power to start a war
>back to Congress, which is, in my opinion, a great thing.
>
>Please lobby your senators to back this bill if you agree with it.  The
>list of phone numbers to call is at:
>
>http://www.dawndc.net/NPL/priority.htm
>
>Note that they're all in the 202 (DC) area code.
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Hey, don't start treading on my pee territory - the last person that
tried to do that was senor stevie t, and you don't hear from him too
much more , do ya?

Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes,
-t


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Fear the wrath of the gay mafia.


Tom

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We can't refuse a request on barbara streisand's wedding day.

-t

Ps - I'm kinda still laughing about "senor stevie t".  I think my blood
sugar is low, maybe I should eat something.

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Fear the wrath of the gay mafia.


Tom

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for incredibly really real.

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Tom Sprynczynatyk wrote:

>Fear the wrath of the gay mafia.
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>Tom
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>>Hey, don't start treading on my pee territory - the last person that
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>>much more , do ya?
>>
>>Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes,
>>-t
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<<I am shocked...SHOCKED that there are assnugget mall security guards with 
Napoleonic complexes in this day and age, especially in our unfailingly 
friendly SUVburbs.

In other news the sun rose today, ending the deathlike uncertainty of 
night...


Serving up 200% of your RDA of sarcasm,
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I wonder if there was more to the story than just what was reported.  If 
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Subject: Re: [mw] careful wearing that anti-war shirt...

There is a lot more, the guy who got arrested was a lawyer, and a 
relatively badass one who slaps punishments on out-of-line judges at 
that.  He knew exactly what he was doing, and is getting millions of 
free publicity dollars by manipulating the media.  A rather brilliant 
strategic move on his part, I think.  The best-reported story I've come 
across can be found at 
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=112222&category=REGION&newsdate=3/5/2003

As usual, MetaFilter has the best information and the most thoughtful 
debate points on the topic at http://www.metafilter.com/comments.mefi/24061
Basically the mall seems to be legally within their rights (malls are 
considered public spaces only in a few states), though they're 
boneheads, and the cops were just following the trespassing law.


Tom

Rich G wrote:

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Gen'rals gathered in their masses,
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction,
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning,
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind,
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh Lord Yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave thier role to the poor, yeah

Time will tell on their power minds,
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess,
Wait 'till their judgement day comes, yeah

Now in darkness world stops turning,
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more War Pigs have the power,
And as God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pigs crawling,
Begging mercies for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
Oh Lord Yeah!



oh wait... i read that wrong.

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Subject: [mw] Hardcore producers take note

http://www.termiteart.com/satisfied/satisfied.mp3
Pure sample gold.


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>From: Drug Policy Alliance <alerts@actioncenter.drugpolicy.org>
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>Subject: ACTION ALERT: Congress Seeks to Ban Live Music and Dancing Date: 
>Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:01:22 +0800
>
>***CONGRESS SEEKS TO BAN LIVE MUSIC AND DANCING!!
>***COULD HAPPEN THIS YEAR; WE NEED YOUR HELP
>
>Congress is considering two pieces of legislation that could
>effectively ban live music and dancing, while throwing innocent
>people like you in jail. If enacted, either bill could prevent you
>from hearing your favorite band or DJ live. Every musical style would
>be affected, including rock and roll, Hip Hop, country, and
>electronic music. Both bills would allow overzealous prosecutors to
>send innocent people to jail for the crimes of others. The two bills
>are the RAVE Act (H.R. 718) and the CLEAN-UP Act (H.R. 834). Both
>could be passed this year without your help. (Links to the Acts text
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>The RAVE Act would make it easier for the federal government to
>punish property owners for any drug offense that their customers
>commit - even if they work hard to stop such offenses. If enacted,
>nightclub and stadium owners would likely stop holding events - such
>as rock or Hip Hop concerts - in which even one person might use
>drugs.  Similarly, the CLEAN-UP Act contains provisions that would
>make it a federal crime - punishable by up to nine years in prison -
>to promote "any rave, dance, music or other entertainment event" that
>might attract some attendees that would use or sell drugs. In both
>cases, it doesn't matter if the concert promoter and property owner
>try to prevent people from using drugs. Nor does it matter if the
>vast majority of people attending the event are law-abiding citizens
>that want to listen to music, not do drugs.
>
>If either the CLEAN-UP Act or the RAVE Act becomes law, Congress
>could effectively ban live music and dancing, as well as any other
>event that might attract someone that would use drugs (essentially
>any event that draws a large crowd). Your help is needed to stop
>these bills from becoming law!!! Dancing, singing, and playing music
>should not be a federal crime!
>
>ACTIONS TO TAKE
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>*** Fax your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose the RAVE Act
>in its entirety and to oppose Section 305 in the CLEAN-UP Act. You
>can fax your Representative for free by going to
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>** Please forward this action alert to your friends and family.
>Unless Congress hears from thousands of voters these two bills could
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>BACKGROUND
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>The RAVE Act was first introduced last year in the Senate by Senator
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>(R-TX). Thanks to the support of thousands of voters like you, Drug
>Policy Alliance and a coalition of friends and activists around the
>country was able to stop both bills last year. Unfortunately,
>supporters of the RAVE Act are even more determined to pass it this
>year. Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC) is sponsoring a new RAVE Act in the
>House. Additionally, Senator Biden has introduced a Senate version
>entitled the Illicit Drugs Anti-Proliferation Act.
>
>If enacted, both the House RAVE Act and the Senate Anti-Proliferation
>Act would make it easier for federal prosecutors to fine and imprison
>business owners that fail to stop drug offenses from occurring.
>Businessmen and women could be prosecuted even if they were not
>involved in drugs - and even if they took steps to stop drug use on
>their property. Although proponents of the bill are seeking to target
>raves (and DJs, nightclub owners, and rave promoters have the most to
>fear), the law would apply to any business owner, including bar
>owners, motel owners, concert promoters, and cruise ship owners.
>Because of its broad language, the proposed law would even
>potentially subject people to twenty years in federal prison if one
>or more of their guests smoked marijuana at their party or barbecue.
>
>For more information on the RAVE Act and Drug Policy Alliance's
>campaign to stop it, see:
>http://www.nomoredrugwar.org/music/rave_act.htm.
>
>A full text of the bill can be viewed at:
>http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?
>dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:h718ih.txt.pdf
>(Please cut and paste the entire URL into a browser window)
>
>The CLEAN-UP Act was also first introduced last year, but it failed
>to make it out of committee. This year's bill already has over 60 co-
>sponsors and could become law without your help. Sponsored by Rep.
>Doug Ose (R-CA), the Clean, Learn, Educate, Abolish, and Undermine
>Production (CLEAN-UP) of Methamphetamines Act is largely an innocuous
>bill that provides more money and training for the clean up of
>illegal methamphetamine laboratories. Hidden within the bill,
>however, is a draconian section that could make dancing and live
>music federal crimes.
>
>Section 305 of the CLEAN-UP Act stipulates that:
>
>'Whoever, for a commercial purpose, knowingly promotes any rave,
>dance, music, or other entertainment event, that takes place under
>circumstances where the promoter knows or reasonably ought to know
>that a controlled substance will be used or distributed in violation
>of Federal law or the law of the place where the event is held, shall
>be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not
>more than 9 years, or both.'
>
>Under the provision, any concert promoter, nightclub owner and arena
>or stadium owner could be fined and jailed, since a reasonable person
>would know some people use drugs at musical events. A full text of
>the bill can be viewed at:
>
><http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?
>dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:h834ih.txt.pdf>
>
>Opponents of the bills fear that both proposed laws would be used by
>racist or homophobic prosecutors to target Hip Hop and R&B concerts
>and gay and lesbian nightclubs. Both bills would also eradicate
>electronic dance music and culture, as we know it.
>
>Fax your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose the RAVE Act in
>its entirety and to oppose Section 305 in the CLEAN-UP Act. You can
>fax your Representative for free by going to:
>http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=1516.
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These recaptioned warning signs form the DHS website are all over the 
blog circuit so you may very well have seen them, but if you haven't 
they're the funniest shit I've come across in weeks.

My favorites are "If you spot an act of terrorism, blow your 
anti-terrorism whistle. If you are Vin Diesel, just yell really loudly" 
and "deny the satanic mutterings of the window"

http://board.crewcial.org/t.php?id=16330&r=300


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DIRECTIONS:

Take I64 or I75 until they merge into one interstate

Take Exit #113, the North Broadway Exit, towards Lexington
Turn onto North Broadway towards Lexington

You will travel on North Broadway all the way through downtown
Passing the Legends Baseball Stadium, Transy Campus, Rupp Arena,
Through downtown and past the Red Mile Racetrack

About 2-3 miles after going through downtown, look on the left side
Of the road for a Logan’s Roadhouse and a Firestone Tires

You will turn left after the Firestone, which is before St. Joseph Hospital
You can’t miss the hospital -- there is a sign on the corner where you turn

This left turn is onto Waller Avenue
The venue is directly on the left, which is before the Subway

The Kentucky Inn, 525 Waller Avenue, Lexington, KY 40504
Please find a space in their parking lot and come inside
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I have uncovered a couple links to some of the finest music archives for =
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Footsteps getting closer.

Knocking at the door.

Rave is out there.

Won't you answer?

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f@#k trance.

f@#k raves.

f@#k lame ass poetry.






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>f@#k lame ass poetry.

Your message was not
In required haiku form
No one will listen



:p


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I didn't see the original post you were responding to, but I'd guess the 
lame ass poetry comment has something to do with the Beastie Boys' 
obviously very hastily produced anti-war rap.

It contains such gems as:
Now don't get me wrong, I love America
But that ain't no reason to get hysterica

http://bitpimps.com/happy_times/Beastie%20Boys%20-%20In%20A%20World%20Gone%20Mad.mp3


Tom

DJ Nightshade wrote:

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> f@#k raves.
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trance smells like dead fish,

rotting in the mouth of Paul.

wit, ferg's found wanting.



>From: Fergus <fergcore@insightbb.com>
>To: "DJ Nightshade" <djdeadlynightshade@hotmail.com>,mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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> >f@#k lame ass poetry.
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>Your message was not
>In required haiku form
>No one will listen
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hahahahahhahahahhahah nice.


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Subject: [mw] NRR > Article regarding the use of the internet for support/ protest of war

Taken from the Washington Post:

I think it talks about MW-raves being the #1 forum and testing ground for
discussion regarding the proposed war and, among other things, what to wear
out on saturday nights:



>  To view the entire article, go to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9405-2003Mar11.html
>
>  Mobilizing Online Against War
>
>  By Cynthia L. Webb
>  The Pentagon is proudly displaying its technological superiority as it
ramps up for a possible war with Iraq, but antiwar groups too are engaged in
a high-tech mobilization to protest a U.S. military intervention.
>
>
>
>  Hundreds of Web sites -- many cross-linked to sympathetic groups in a
grassroots effort to drum up support -- are urging Americans and people
worldwide to take action. Site visitors are urged to download antiwar
posters, sign online petitions and send chain e-mail letters to friends and
lawmakers. The Internet is allowing antiwar groups to communicate nationwide
and across the globe in ways hardly possible during any other conflict in
American history.
>
>
>
>  Last month, Moveon.org (www.moveon.org) and the Win Without War coalition
(www.winwithoutwarus.org) organized a "Virtual March" on Washington, asking
Americans to call their members of Congress and inundate Capitol Hill with
e-mail and faxes. The groups claimed more than 85,000 people participated in
the online protest.
>
>
>
>  On March 15, groups opposed to a war with Iraq are planning protests in
several U.S. cities, including Washington, San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Over the next several days, washingtonpost.com will survey the antiwar
movement's use of the Internet to spread its message, looking at how
national, religious, student and other groups are conducting their
organizing campaigns.  On Friday this feature will look at online campaigns
employed by groups supporting President Bush's policy on Iraq.
>
>
>
>  Yesterday, Moveon.org and other antiwar organizations were posting a
letter on their Web sites for readers to sign and submit online to protest
President Bush's push for a second U.N. Security Council resolution to
authorize force against Iraq. Moveon.org said it planned to submit the
letters to members of the security council.
>
>
>
>  While e-mail has been used to flood lawmaker's inboxes, online faxes have
become another powerful tool of the antiwar movement. Washington-based True
Majority -- an education and advocacy nonprofit group --  offers a link on
its home page (www.truemajority.org) that users can click  "to send free
faxes to Congress and the president telling them we can win without war and
they should let the inspections work."
>
>
>
>  Antiwar groups are also using the Web to raise money, hawking T-shirts
and other goods online, such as the New York-based antiwar group Not In our
Name (www.notinourname.net). Not In Our Name also issues talking points on
its Web site to help war supporters chime in on the debate about war in
Iraq -- a common tool in the online antiwar world to aimed at getting
activists everywhere to speak with one voice.
>
>
>
>  Activist tactics developed by the AIDS movement's loudest voice, Act Up
(www.actup.org), are being disseminated by antiwar groups. The London-based
Active Resistance to the Roots of War (www.j-n-v.org) links from its Web
site to the ACT-UP guidelines on how to carry out protests. Arrow also is
circulating an online petition for antiwar support on its Web site, telling
readers: "You can choose whether to pledge to directly participate in
nonviolent action or whether to pledge to play a support role which does not
risk arrest."
>
>
>
>  Message boards and e-mail discussion groups are home to ongoing dialogue
about Iraq. Yahoo! hosts a number of discussion groups, including a small
group of Arizona residents who are opposed to war, and a 450-member
discussion group by a group called the National Network to End the War
Against Iraq (www.endthewar.org).  This site blends tried-and-true tactics
with online ones, advocating traditional snail mail letter-writing campaigns
while also providing downloads of fliers.  The site links to yet another
group protesting the potential war, International ANSWER, "Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism" (www.internationalanswer.org). The group is part of a
coalition that is preparing to join the March 15 protests to speak out
against a war with Iraq.
>
>
>
>  Some organizations -- including the Education for Peace in Iraq Center --
are linking to an online peace pledge (www.peacepledge.org) for readers to
register their opposition to a war in Iraq. Some 70,000 signatures have been
gathered so far, according to the site.
>
>
>
>  Meanwhile, the group Cities For Peace uses its Web site
(www.citiesforpeace.org) to encourage people to write to their local
lawmakers to protest action in Iraq. The site even provides links to a
sample opinion piece and other activism tools.
>
>
>
>  Patriots For Peace has a button on its home page that lets readers send
out links back to the site (www.patriotsforpeace.org), and it offers
geographically tailored antiwar posters for download. The site, like many
others, also features downloadable posters and has a Paypal account set up
for people to make donations.
>
>
>
>  One loud voice against war has its roots in radio.  Amy Goodman, host of
the Pacifica Radio network's "Democracy Now!" show (www.democracynow.org) is
broadcasting daily shows on the radio and on the Internet, offering a "daily
polestar for those who crave the antiwar perspective that mainstream
networks and newspapers often consign to the margins," The Washington Post
reported Monday.  "War coverage should be more than a parade of retired
generals and retired government flacks posing as reporters," Goodman told
The Post. "Why not invite on some voices that are not Pentagon-approved?"
>
>
>
>  Cynthia L. Webb is a staff writer for washingtonpost.com.  Her e-mail
address is cindy.webb@washingtonpost.com.
>
>
>
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What forum?

-t

Ps - bear slippers with a gold sequined thong.

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Taken from the Washington Post:

I think it talks about MW-raves being the #1 forum and testing ground
for discussion regarding the proposed war and, among other things, what
to wear out on saturday nights:


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Subject: RE: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193

your link doesn't work, but since it's been 11 years since the beastie boys
made anything worth hearing, i doubt i'm missing much.  the political
musings of three balding guys who fail to realise their careers are over and
have a disturbing obsession with tibetan monks...i'm supposed to take these
seriously?  nigga please.

anyone who is sick of the anti-war rhetoric and ready to settle in for the
pre-game show, here are some good links:

	-computer animation of MOAB -
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0303/moab.vs.daisy.cutter/MOAB_Web.mpg
	-video of MOAB test tuesday -
http://multimedia.realcities.com:8080/ramgen/miami/news/archive/bomb.rm
	-details on MOAB, daisy cutters, and other badass new shit (watch the
wraparound) -
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/iraqmain/forces_2003/default.asp?page=New%20bun
ker%20busters
	-to make it interesting - the latest lines on cool shit like window between
initial attack and ground attack, fate of 	saddam, military coup in
pakistan, etc (watch the wraparound) -

http://betonsports.com/1024/displaylines.shtml?sportbook=&sport=World_Events
&id=3231

anxiously awaiting video of massive destruction in the middle east, word to
moms.

-----Original Message-----
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I didn't see the original post you were responding to, but I'd guess the
lame ass poetry comment has something to do with the Beastie Boys'
obviously very hastily produced anti-war rap.

It contains such gems as:
Now don't get me wrong, I love America
But that ain't no reason to get hysterica

http://bitpimps.com/happy_times/Beastie%20Boys%20-%20In%20A%20World%20Gone%2
0Mad.mp3


Tom

DJ Nightshade wrote:

>
>
> f@#k trance.
>
> f@#k raves.
>
> f@#k lame ass poetry.
>
>
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Did you watch out for the URL wraparound?  You can also get the song 
from the front page of http://www.beastieboys.com/  It's probably not 
worth your time though, it really is a bad song.


Tom

my chemicals cut wrote:

>your link doesn't work, but since it's been 11 years since the beastie boys
>made anything worth hearing, i doubt i'm missing much.  the political
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>have a disturbing obsession with tibetan monks...i'm supposed to take these
>seriously?  nigga please.
>  
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Subject: [mw] well, since everyone else is posting: wtf!?!?

Is it really appropriate to have blazin' hip-hop gun battles on Johnson?

http://www.madison.com/captimes/news/stories/44375.php

gregory // really, i mean, come on // dj lo


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madison got a nigga depressed
so i wear a slug-proof underneath my guess

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Is it really appropriate to have blazin' hip-hop gun battles on Johnson?

http://www.madison.com/captimes/news/stories/44375.php

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Walkin' down the street, yo
Drinkin' 40s, snortin blow.
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I'll be unsubbing at the end of work today so that I can easily check my 
email in sunny Yucatan, Mexico.  11 days of beaches, Mayan ruins, 
incredible food, and most of all SUNLIGHT!

Is anyone else planning to go anywhere cool this spring?


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>Is anyone else planning to go anywhere cool this spring?

Other than Cedar Point, Kings Island, Michigans Great Adventure, Six Flags
WOA, Six Flags St. Louis, Valley Fair, and Holiday World?

No.


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Big ups to the roller coaster massive!
That's quite the tour, how long is it taking you?


Tom

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you'd better save cedar point for last because all those other places may as
well be called "pansy world" after you ride TTD.  booya.

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>Is anyone else planning to go anywhere cool this spring?

Other than Cedar Point, Kings Island, Michigans Great Adventure, Six Flags
WOA, Six Flags St. Louis, Valley Fair, and Holiday World?

No.


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ATP, Coachella, DEMF, Bonnaroo


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at first i thought that was an Onion article. guess the mad-town
hip-hoppers just wanna up there credibility in the scene a la
Eminem's pistol brandishing incident. and some of the bidding war
for Fiddy Cent was based on his having been shot 99999 times.
'course, Tupac = the ultimate in hip hop cool = shot to death.
the Streets on Jay Leno tonight.


>From: gregory trimper <trimperg@netscape.net>
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>Is it really appropriate to have blazin' hip-hop gun battles on Johnson?
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>http://www.madison.com/captimes/news/stories/44375.php
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>gregory // really, i mean, come on // dj lo
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>you'd better save cedar point for last because all those other places may as
>well be called "pansy world" after you ride TTD.  booya.

I go to CP every year, and rode Xcelerator at Knott's Berry Farm last
summer.  Same thing at TTD, just not as tall.  While I'm sure TTD will be
fun, I'm more looking forward to the slightly shorter lines it will bring
to MF.

And as far as the length of the trip...I'm not sure.  Right now I'm trying
to work out a plan with a friend of mine in RI to come out for a week.  In
that time we could hit up CP, PKI, SFWOA, and HW....


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[my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
> anyone who is sick of the anti-war rhetoric and ready to settle in for the
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And anybody who is sick of Mancow should check out
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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193

michigan adventure...it's been a long time since ive been there. don't they 
have a big wooden roller coaster? what's it called






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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue
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>michigan adventure...it's been a long time since ive been there. don't they 
>have a big wooden roller coaster? what's it called


Shivering Timbers.  The only reason I'm going to try to head up there...


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Subject: RE: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193

...but since it's been 11 years since the beastie boys
made anything worth hearing, i doubt i'm missing much.  the political
musings of three balding guys who fail to realise their careers are over and
have a disturbing obsession with tibetan monks...i'm supposed to take these
seriously?  nigga please.


what the fuck makes you self rightous enough to be so judgmental,
dissing their religion!?...nigga please you just trying to sound cool.

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Subject: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193]

"bill converse" <bill_converse@hotmail.com> wrote:
> what the fuck makes you self rightous enough to be so judgmental,
> dissing their religion!?...nigga please you just trying to sound cool.


i think the disturbing obsession with tibetan monks may have something to=
 do
with a certain Uma Thurman... oh that and being rich beyond belief.  it's=
 the
in thing, yanno.

*puts on paul's boutique and tries to ignore the present*

-sim*n


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Subject: RE: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193

I would like to propose that "nigga please" become as catch-phrasey on
mw-raves as "what list?"

Thanks,
-t

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...but since it's been 11 years since the beastie boys
made anything worth hearing, i doubt i'm missing much.  the political
musings of three balding guys who fail to realise their careers are over
and have a disturbing obsession with tibetan monks...i'm supposed to
take these seriously?  nigga please.


what the fuck makes you self rightous enough to be so judgmental,
dissing their religion!?...nigga please you just trying to sound cool.

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>I would like to propose that "nigga please" become as catch-phrasey on
>mw-raves as "what list?"

Everytime I hear that, all I can think of is that oriental guy in "Booty
Call".

My motha!


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"Tony Sebion" <tony@sebion.com> wrote:
> I would like to propose that "nigga please" become as catch-phrasey on
> mw-raves as "what list?"

i think the politically-correct (aka ok for white people approved) term t=
hese
days is "nukka"

or the somewhat less popular, but more ravey, "nizzle".

as in: "Jolly good show old boy, pip pip cheerio, for shizzle, my dear
nizzle."

=2E..indeed.

-sim*n


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Subject: RE: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193


> what the fuck makes you self rightous enough to be so judgmental,
> dissing their religion!?...nigga please you just trying to sound cool.

maybe you should just try to sound like you have a modicum of fucking
intelligence.  beastie boys have the common hollywood star affliction of
being into some wacky religion, it has nothing to do with me being self
rightous(sic).

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Subject: RE: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193


I don't like their music...
sure their pop nowadays's but why speculate about someone
you have never met?. your ignorant and so am I but I don't tell a whole 
message board, this is the way that is and that is the way this is. I care 
less about the damn beastie boys as I do someone who sounds so 
opinionated..."a wacky religeon", how disrespectful you wanna get?
I bet you don't even know the first thing about buddhism or tibetan monks.
you should be ashamed of your self or are you just fuling a fire?






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>Subject: RE: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193
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>
> > what the fuck makes you self rightous enough to be so judgmental,
> > dissing their religion!?...nigga please you just trying to sound cool.
>
>maybe you should just try to sound like you have a modicum of fucking
>intelligence.  beastie boys have the common hollywood star affliction of
>being into some wacky religion, it has nothing to do with me being self
>rightous(sic).
>
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It was always burnin' since the world was turnin'

-t

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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193

Authentic Buddhism = real religion.  The shallow form of Buddhism that's 
commonly practiced in this country, especially as it is by Hollywood 
types, = new age crap.

For that matter, new age = crap.


Pyramids, crystals, and angels oh my!
Tom

bill converse wrote:

>
> I don't like their music...
> sure their pop nowadays's but why speculate about someone
> you have never met?. your ignorant and so am I but I don't tell a 
> whole message board, this is the way that is and that is the way this 
> is. I care less about the damn beastie boys as I do someone who sounds 
> so opinionated..."a wacky religeon", how disrespectful you wanna get?
> I bet you don't even know the first thing about buddhism or tibetan 
> monks.
> you should be ashamed of your self or are you just fuling a fire?
>
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there you go again how the fuck do you know what there doing. even western 
buddhism doesnt mess around with "Pyramids and crystals"






>From: Tom Sprynczynatyk <spry0004@tc.umn.edu>
>To: bill converse <bill_converse@hotmail.com>,    mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193
>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:34:40 -0600
>
>Authentic Buddhism = real religion.  The shallow form of Buddhism that's 
>commonly practiced in this country, especially as it is by Hollywood types, 
>= new age crap.
>
>For that matter, new age = crap.
>
>
>Pyramids, crystals, and angels oh my!
>Tom
>
>bill converse wrote:
>
>>
>>I don't like their music...
>>sure their pop nowadays's but why speculate about someone
>>you have never met?. your ignorant and so am I but I don't tell a whole 
>>message board, this is the way that is and that is the way this is. I care 
>>less about the damn beastie boys as I do someone who sounds so 
>>opinionated..."a wacky religeon", how disrespectful you wanna get?
>>I bet you don't even know the first thing about buddhism or tibetan monks.
>>you should be ashamed of your self or are you just fuling a fire?
>>
>>


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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193

I never said that's what the Beasties were doing, somebody else did.  I 
am skeptical about the religous beliefs that many celebrities profess, 
but then again I'm pretty skeptical about celebrities as a rule since 
they get waaaaaay too much power and respect from people without earning 
it.  The pyramids and crystals comment was directed towards the new age 
movement in general, not Buddhism specifically.  American Buddhism may 
not involve them directly, but many new agers pick and choose from a 
smorgasboard of practices which often includes crystals, pyramids, 
angels, and faux Buddhism.


Tom

bill converse wrote:

> there you go again how the fuck do you know what there doing. even 
> western buddhism doesnt mess around with "Pyramids and crystals"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Tom Sprynczynatyk <spry0004@tc.umn.edu>
>> To: bill converse <bill_converse@hotmail.com>,    mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 
>> Issue 1193
>> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:34:40 -0600
>>
>> Authentic Buddhism = real religion.  The shallow form of Buddhism 
>> that's commonly practiced in this country, especially as it is by 
>> Hollywood types, = new age crap.
>>
>> For that matter, new age = crap.
>>
>>
>> Pyramids, crystals, and angels oh my!
>> Tom
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Subject: RE: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193

your rite im just fuling a fire?.

>
> I don't like their music...
> sure their pop nowadays's but why speculate about someone
> you have never met?. your ignorant and so am I but I don't tell a whole
> message board, this is the way that is and that is the way this is. I
> care  less about the damn beastie boys as I do someone who sounds so
> opinionated..."a wacky religeon", how disrespectful you wanna get? I bet
> you don't even know the first thing about buddhism or tibetan monks. you
> should be ashamed of your self or are you just fuling a fire?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "my chemicals cut" <michael@ffwd.cx>
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>>Subject: RE: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue
>> 1193 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:44:18 -0000 (GMT)
>>
>>
>> > what the fuck makes you self rightous enough to be so judgmental,
>> dissing their religion!?...nigga please you just trying to sound
>> cool.
>>
>>maybe you should just try to sound like you have a modicum of fucking
>> intelligence.  beastie boys have the common hollywood star affliction
>> of being into some wacky religion, it has nothing to do with me being
>> self rightous(sic).
>>
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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193

sorry I didnt know who you were.
there is alota hypocritical buddhists out there. I think that "new age" is 
propaganda, killing any real understanding of spirituality or religeon. "why 
cant we all just get along"

im sorry I got pissed, everybody:(





>From: Tom Sprynczynatyk <spry0004@tc.umn.edu>
>To: bill converse <bill_converse@hotmail.com>,    mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193
>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:02:40 -0600
>
>I never said that's what the Beasties were doing, somebody else did.  I am 
>skeptical about the religous beliefs that many celebrities profess, but 
>then again I'm pretty skeptical about celebrities as a rule since they get 
>waaaaaay too much power and respect from people without earning it.  The 
>pyramids and crystals comment was directed towards the new age movement in 
>general, not Buddhism specifically.  American Buddhism may not involve them 
>directly, but many new agers pick and choose from a smorgasboard of 
>practices which often includes crystals, pyramids, angels, and faux 
>Buddhism.
>
>
>Tom
>
>bill converse wrote:
>
>>there you go again how the fuck do you know what there doing. even western 
>>buddhism doesnt mess around with "Pyramids and crystals"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Tom Sprynczynatyk <spry0004@tc.umn.edu>
>>>To: bill converse <bill_converse@hotmail.com>,    mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>>>Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 
>>>1193
>>>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:34:40 -0600
>>>
>>>Authentic Buddhism = real religion.  The shallow form of Buddhism that's 
>>>commonly practiced in this country, especially as it is by Hollywood 
>>>types, = new age crap.
>>>
>>>For that matter, new age = crap.
>>>
>>>
>>>Pyramids, crystals, and angels oh my!
>>>Tom
>>
>
>
>
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Pyramids of crystal will keep you up all week long.

So I've heard.

--- bill converse <bill_converse@hotmail.com> wrote:
> there you go again how the fuck do you know what
> there doing. even western 
> buddhism doesnt mess around with "Pyramids and
> crystals"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Tom Sprynczynatyk <spry0004@tc.umn.edu>
> >To: bill converse <bill_converse@hotmail.com>,   
> mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: Re: [mw] Re: mw-raves Digest 12 Mar 2003
> 12:04:28 -0000 Issue 1193
> >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:34:40 -0600
> >
> >Authentic Buddhism = real religion.  The shallow
> form of Buddhism that's 
> >commonly practiced in this country, especially as
> it is by Hollywood types, 
> >= new age crap.
> >
> >For that matter, new age = crap.
> >
> >
> >Pyramids, crystals, and angels oh my!
> >Tom
> >
> >bill converse wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>I don't like their music...
> >>sure their pop nowadays's but why speculate about
> someone
> >>you have never met?. your ignorant and so am I but
> I don't tell a whole 
> >>message board, this is the way that is and that is
> the way this is. I care 
> >>less about the damn beastie boys as I do someone
> who sounds so 
> >>opinionated..."a wacky religeon", how
> disrespectful you wanna get?
> >>I bet you don't even know the first thing about
> buddhism or tibetan monks.
> >>you should be ashamed of your self or are you just
> fuling a fire?
> >>
> >>
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Subject: [mw] introduction

hello all. thought i'd say hi. live in rockford il. and i think thats all i 
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nigga please.

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> hello all. thought i'd say hi. live in rockford il. and i think thats
> all i  got for an intro.
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Subject: [mw] ACTION ALERT: 7 Actions to Protect Live Music 

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>Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:22:09 -0800 (PST)
>From: Drug Policy Alliance <alerts@actioncenter.drugpolicy.org>
>To: fergcore@insightbb.com
>Subject: ACTION ALERT: 7 Actions to Protect Live Music 
>
>CONGRESS WANTS TO TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS
>SEVEN THINGS TO DO ABOUT IT
>
>Your right to dance, sing, DJ, listen to good music, and run your own 
>business is under attack. The federal government may soon have the 
>power to shut down dance clubs, rock, country, and Hip Hop concerts, 
>gay and lesbian bars, and anything else federal officials don't like.
>
>As you may know, Congress is considering three bills that could land 
>many event promoters, bar and nightclub owners, and stadium owners in 
>jail if even one person uses drugs at their events.  If enacted, 
>these 
>bills could prevent you from hearing your favorite band or DJ live. 
>Every musical style would be affected. 
>
>The three dangerous bills are the RAVE Act (H.R. 718), the CLEAN-UP 
>Act (H.R. 834), and the Illicit Drugs Anti-Proliferation Act (S. 
>226). While aimed at the very real problem of substance abuse, the 
>bills go too far by punishing business owners for the drug offenses 
>of their customers and threatening to shut down concerts, circuit 
>parties, dance clubs, and other forms of entertainment. Business 
>owners could be jailed for enacting health measures that save lives - 
>such as teaching their staff first-aid. You could even go to jail for 
>20 years for throwing a party in your own home.
>
>Drug Policy Alliance worked with dozens of organizations to stop 
>these bills last year. Tens of thousands of voters urged their 
>Members of Congress to oppose the bills. Two of the original co -
>sponsors withdrew their support and House and Senate leadership never 
>dared to bring the bills up for a vote. Supporters of these draconian 
>bills, however, are determined to pass them this year. They will 
>become law unless you help.
>
>Drug Policy Alliance staff are heading down to Miami next week for 
>the 2003 Winter Music Conference to work with business owners, 
>artists, and fans to develop a comprehensive plan for stopping these 
>bills and protecting music and dancing. Even as you read this e-mail, 
>however, politicians in Washington, DC are plotting to quickly make 
>these laws and give the government broad new power over your life. 
>They will succeed, unless you ACT NOW. 
>
>SEVEN THINGS TO DO 
>
>***ACTION ONE: SUPPORT US 
>
>Contribute to the national campaign to stop these bills. Without your 
>help, these bills could become law by the end of the year. Drug 
>Policy Alliance Network needs to raise at least $180,000 in emergency 
>funding to stop Congress and protect music and dancing.  In 
>particular, we need to hire a high-profile Washington lobbying firm 
>that can voice the concerns of promoters, DJs, and nightclub owners 
>directly to Members of Congress and pressure them to oppose these 
>bills. We also need vital funding for grassroots and public education 
>efforts. 
>
>Without emergency funding from people like you, we will not be able 
>to squash these draconian bills and protect music, dancing, and all 
>your rights.
>
>Contribute on-line at 
>http://www.nomoredrugwar.org/donate 
>Any size gift will make a difference.
>
>***ACTION TWO:  CONTACT YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS 
>
>Contact your Members of Congress. Tell your Representative to oppose 
>the RAVE Act  (H.R. 718) in its entirety and to oppose Section 305 in 
>the CLEAN-UP Act (H.R. 834). Tell your Senators to oppose the Illicit 
>Drugs Anti-Proliferation Act (S. 226). 
>
>Fax your Representative for free by going to: 
>http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=1516 
>
>Fax your Senators for free by going to: 
>http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=1448 
>
>Organize a group of voters in your area to meet with your elected 
>officials directly. Information on organizing a meeting with your 
>Members of Congress can be found at 
>http://www.nomoredrugwar.org/music/capbasics.htm
>
>***ACTION THREE: HOST AN EVENT 
>
>Hold an event in which part of the proceeds goes to the cause. 
>(E-mail bpiper@drugpolicy.org if interested). For instance, Buzzlife 
>Productions and Maze Nightclub are having an event in Miami in which 
>the ticket sales go to our fight in Congress. Tickets for this 
>benefit can be purchased at: 
>http://www.groovetickets.com/ordersystem/groove/eventviewqb.asp?
>AffilID=93&EventsID=4750&PGname=Buzzlife%2BProductions
>
>You do not have to attend the event to buy a ticket, and all proceeds 
>go to Drug Policy Alliance and the Electronic Music Defense Fund 
>(EM:DEF) for our fight against the RAVE Act.
>
>***ACTION FOUR: PUT A BANNER AD ON YOUR WEB SITE 
>
>Tell people about the fax campaign. Link to our banner ad. Here is a 
>link to the code you can cut and paste on our website: 
>http://www.nomoredrugwar.org/music/link_rave.htm
>
>***ACTION FIVE: EDUCATE THE PUBLIC 
>
>Raise public awareness by distributing flyers at events, sending 
>action alerts to e-mail lists, using drug policy activists soundbites 
>in your music and more.  Find out more at: 
>http://www.nomoredrugwar.org/music/whattodo.htm
>
>***ACTION SIX: SUBMIT A LETTER TO YOUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER 
>
>Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper urging your 
>Members of Congress to oppose these bills. After you submit the 
>letter, send a copy of the letter to your Members of Congress, along 
>with a personal note. This is a good way to show your elected 
>officials that you not only care enough about the issue to write 
>them, but that you also care enough to write a letter to the local 
>newspaper.
>
>To find out the contact info for newspapers in your state see: 
>http://www.mapinc.org/media.htm
>For tips on writing a letter to the editor, including talking points, 
>see: 
>http://www.nomoredrugwar.org/music/media.htm
>
>To find out who your Representative is see: 
>http://www.house.gov
>
>To find out who your Senators are see: 
>http://www.senate.gov
>
>***ACTION SEVEN: FORWARD THIS ALERT 
>
>Forward this action alert to your friends, co-workers, and family 
>members, as well as e-mail lists. We need thousands of voters to take 
>action.
>
>For more information on these bills and the war on dancing and music 
>see: 
>
>http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/raveact/ 
>and http://www.nomoredrugwar.org 
>
>Please consider giving to our campaign to protect your rights. 
>Without your help, Congress may soon destroy music and entertainment, 
>as we know it. Contribute on-line at: www.nomoredrugwar/donate 
><http://www.nomoredrugwar/donate>. 
>
>PS: MIAMI WINTER MUSIC CONFERENCE
>
>If you will be in Miami the week of March 17th, check out the 
>following: 
>
>Wednesday, March 19th 
>Music Benefit for Drug Policy Alliance and EM:DEF 
>Maze Nightclub 
>1290 18th Street 
>Miami Beach, FL 
>10pm-5am, $15 
>(Special thanks to Buzzlife Productions!!! <http://www.buzzlife.com>) 
>
>Friday, March 21st 
>"No to S. 226", Music and Fun
>The Laundry Bar
>721 Lincoln Lane 
>South Beach Miami, FL
>10pm-5am || Giveaways from sponsors all night
>(North East corner direction of the Sony Music Building)
>This is a FREE event 
>(Special thanks to LuvChild Entertainment!!!  
>http://www.luvchildentertainment.com) 
>
>Drug Policy Alliance will have booths at both of these events, as 
>well as numerous other events during the Winter Music Conference. If 
>you are attending Remix Hotel (<http://www.remixmag.com>), make sure 
>to stop by our booth in the exhibit area.
> 
>
>
>Please visit 
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>learn about other lists you can subscribe to, or to unsubscribe from 
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>
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Subject: Re: [mw] introduction

i need candy!!!

At 02:27 PM 3/13/2003, you wrote:
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Subject: Re: [mw] introduction

I want candy, bubblegum and taffy.
Skip to the sweet shop with my sweetheart, Sandy.
Got my pennies saved, so I'm a sugar daddy.
I'm her Hume Cronyn, she my Jessica Tandy.
I want candy!

Shoot, I don't listen to that kiddy crap anymore. I'm kickin the adult
jams now. See, check it, MC Pee Pants doesn't just want candy now --
that's childish.  He needs it, and when you need something, that's a
responsibility that only an adult of my maturity - Bunnies!!

I need candy, bubble gum and taffy,
Gonna get your ass beat nasty,
Do it so your dad sees, embarrass your whole family
Just cuz you came between a kid and his candy.
I need candy, any kind will do
Don't care if it's nutritious or FDA approved.
It's gonna make me spaz like bobcats on booze,
A hyperactive juice that only I can produce
To fuel a giant drill to bore straight into hell
Releasing ancient demons from their sleep-forever spell
So they can walk upon the earth and get resituated
And hawk the diet pills MC Pee Pants has created.

Mess up the mix, mix up the mess
Come on down, yo here's the address
6-1-2 Wharf Avenue
6-1-2 Wharf Avenue

> i need candy!!!
>
> At 02:27 PM 3/13/2003, you wrote:
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Subject: [mw] *New Mix Online! CAUSE & EFFECT- DJ Tronic   <bsp>

Hey everyone, I finally got my new CD done, "Cause & Effect", and I figured 
I'd put it online in case anyone wanted to download it. It's about 60 
minutes of pure hard energetic madness, spanning from Hard House to 
Hardcore! If you wanna check it out, here's a link to go download it, and 
I've also put down the tracklisting here in case anyone is interested in the 
tracks. Thanks again for all the support.. here's the link and info:


http://www.resistancerecordings.com/audio.html


CAUSE & EFFECT - DJ TRONIC

RUNNING TIME: 60:00

TRACKLISTING

01. LET'S GO! - POOGIE BEAR - UNRELEASED
02. RECORD BREAKIN' - POOGIE BEAR & SIDEKICK SAM - ADRENALINE
03. HELP SAVE THE WORLD - MARK V. - UNRELEASED
04. TETRIS '98 - DJ FLAVER (RHYTHM MIX) - MUSIK FAKTORY
05. FINE DAZE (BRAINBLASTER REMIX) - DJ TRONIC - CHR
06. HARD RHYTHM - BASSDRUM PROJECT - GLASS RECORDS
07. CHICAGO! - BASSDRUM PROJECT - CHR
08. AFTER MIDNIGHT - DJ TRONIC - SOUPWARZ
09. HARDCORE POWER - DJ TRONIC - RESISTANCE RECORDINGS
10. YELLOW ATTACK! - DJ TRONIC - SOUPWARZ
11. TAMBORILERO (HOUSE O HOLICS REMIX) - FUZELAB - METROFUZE
12. GET UP! (CIRCLE K REMIX) - DJ TRONIC & VALERIE SPARKS - RESISTANCE 
RECORDINGS
13. SPANK ME - DJ INTENSE - METROFUZE
14. EXIT ONLY! - DJ TRONIC - UNRELEASED
15. DULL DISKO NUTZ - DJ TRONIC - RESISTANCE RECORDINGS
16. HEY! (THE VIPER REMIX) - TONY SALMONELLI - BZRK
17. EARTHQUAKE - ART OF FIGHTERS - TRAXTORM
18. THE STRENGTH BEHIND THE PRIDE - DJ PROMO - THIRD MOVEMENT
19. BITCRUSHER - ART OF FIGHTERS - TRAXTORM
20. STATEMENT OF POWER - DJ PROMO - THIRD MOVEMENT
21. EYEOPENER (SCOTT BROWN REMIX) - BRISK & TRIXXY - NEXT GENERATION
22. TWILIGHT ZONE - SCOTT BROWN - EVOLUTION





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We here at All Terrain Minds Entertainment are VERY proud to announce that w=
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around.  DJ SWAMP!  This masterful mad man has instructed us to "take me bac=
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nominated DJ/Producer is ready to go back to the scene where he started. =20
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i just heard something about osunlade playing superlounge in chicago 
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Subject: [mw] things I learnt from going raving tonight

1. Never mention anything about being anti-war while on a microphone when people expressedly need to get their war on.

2. Never say "Free Palestine" on a microphone... most people couldn't point that out on a map if you gave them a free pill.  "Free Dayton" is more appropriate.

3. When you are ten to twelve years older than most of the populace... you probably should stick to trail of dead shows... or sitting in theatres on matinees secretly enjoying lurid trash like Irreversible.

4. Thank god I went to the Diesel store and got myself some tight pants... 

5. Although it looks really fucking cool to have a final scratch unit laying around... you need a computer to run it.

6. Seven dollars for cheap vodka with ice is definately not a bargain.

7. Where is Dan Doormouse to piss and shit on a mixer when you really need him?

8. Hey, if I even thought about that girl I'd be going to jail.

9. If one more person says "I remember you from back in the day" I am personally going to take my fucking time machine back in the day and kick them square in the fucking balls...

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Ok, I went to the BBB and DJ Dan Adrenaline show this past friday.  Had a
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There was a DJ who was warming up the crowd prior to the show starting.  He
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ALLTERRAINMINDS@aol.com wrote:

>blah blah blah DJ SWAMP!  blah blah This masterful mad man has instructed us to "get me some work, biatches," so that is exactly what we are doing!  blah blah blah INSANITY!!!! 
>BlahBlahBlah have made him one of the most sought after DJs in the world, which is why we are compelled to spam MW-Raves of all places trying to dig up paid gigs. Blah!
>
>  
>
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'Twas Dennis Cox.

--- Pam <pietrow1@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
> Ok, I went to the BBB and DJ Dan Adrenaline show
> this past friday.  Had a
> great time.  Anyway, question for anyone who might
> know the answer.....
> There was a DJ who was warming up the crowd prior to
> the show starting.  He
> played a great hard house set.  Would anyone happen
> to have any idea who
> this DJ might've been?
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d00d, I totally remember you from back in the day. You're that kid in fat pants, right?

> 
> From: kidentropy@aol.com
> Date: 2003/03/16 Sun AM 03:36:19 EST
> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: [mw] things I learnt from going raving tonight
> 
> 1. Never mention anything about being anti-war while on a microphone when people expressedly need to get their war on.
> 
> 2. Never say "Free Palestine" on a microphone... most people couldn't point that out on a map if you gave them a free pill.  "Free Dayton" is more appropriate.
> 
> 3. When you are ten to twelve years older than most of the populace... you probably should stick to trail of dead shows... or sitting in theatres on matinees secretly enjoying lurid trash like Irreversible.
> 
> 4. Thank god I went to the Diesel store and got myself some tight pants... 
> 
> 5. Although it looks really fucking cool to have a final scratch unit laying around... you need a computer to run it.
> 
> 6. Seven dollars for cheap vodka with ice is definately not a bargain.
> 
> 7. Where is Dan Doormouse to piss and shit on a mixer when you really need him?
> 
> 8. Hey, if I even thought about that girl I'd be going to jail.
> 
> 9. If one more person says "I remember you from back in the day" I am personally going to take my fucking time machine back in the day and kick them square in the fucking balls...
> 
> 10.  I need to seriously put a fork in myself... cos I'm fucking done.
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my bad, d00d.

rave on.

On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, gregory trimper wrote:

>
>ALLTERRAINMINDS@aol.com wrote:
>
>>blah blah blah DJ SWAMP!  blah blah This masterful mad man has instructed us to "get me some work, biatches," so that is exactly what we are doing!  blah blah blah INSANITY!!!!
>>BlahBlahBlah have made him one of the most sought after DJs in the world, which is why we are compelled to spam MW-Raves of all places trying to dig up paid gigs. Blah!
>>
>>
>>
>gregory // cranky old skool mode off // dj lo
>
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i know about kid entropy. but man, some people saw me in some big
fuckin' pants.

peace,
chad

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, shawne wrote:

>d00d, I totally remember you from back in the day. You're that kid in
>fat pants, right?
>
>>
>> From: kidentropy@aol.com
>> Date: 2003/03/16 Sun AM 03:36:19 EST
>> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: [mw] things I learnt from going raving tonight
>>
>> 1. Never mention anything about being anti-war while on a microphone when people expressedly need to get their war on.
>>
>> 2. Never say "Free Palestine" on a microphone... most people couldn't point that out on a map if you gave them a free pill.  "Free Dayton" is more appropriate.
>>
>> 3. When you are ten to twelve years older than most of the populace... you probably should stick to trail of dead shows... or sitting in theatres on matinees secretly enjoying lurid trash like Irreversible.
>>
>> 4. Thank god I went to the Diesel store and got myself some tight pants...
>>
>> 5. Although it looks really fucking cool to have a final scratch unit laying around... you need a computer to run it.
>>
>> 6. Seven dollars for cheap vodka with ice is definately not a bargain.
>>
>> 7. Where is Dan Doormouse to piss and shit on a mixer when you really need him?
>>
>> 8. Hey, if I even thought about that girl I'd be going to jail.
>>
>> 9. If one more person says "I remember you from back in the day" I am personally going to take my fucking time machine back in the day and kick them square in the fucking balls...
>>
>> 10.  I need to seriously put a fork in myself... cos I'm fucking done.
>>
>>
>>
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nigga please.

--- chad <chad@hyperreal.org> wrote:
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> my bad, d00d.
> 
> rave on.
> 
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, gregory trimper wrote:
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> >
> >ALLTERRAINMINDS@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>blah blah blah DJ SWAMP!  blah blah This masterful
> mad man has instructed us to "get me some work,
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> blah blah blah INSANITY!!!!
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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The Word of the Day for March 18 is:

legerity   \luh-JAIR-uh-tee\   noun
     : alert facile quickness of mind or body

Example sentence:
     Susan was impressed by Mr. Webber's legerity and quick
wit -- he had a quip for every occasion.

Did you know?
     When "legerity" first appeared in English in 1561, it drew
significantly upon the concept of being "light on one's feet,"
and appropriately so. It is derived from words in Middle and Old
French and ultimately Latin that all mean "light in weight."
These days, "legerity" can describe a nimbleness of mind as well
as of the feet. A cousin of "legerity" in English
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skill or adroitness." "Legerdemain" comes from the
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Speaking of communicating only in biblical references, has anyone had
any recent stevie t sightings?

-t

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heh. i wonder if the guy typed each and every one of them out or if he
has the handy dandy online bible for quick and easy hunt cut and paste.
search
war: end: jesus: i envision a day where some people communicate with
nothing but biblical references. john 2:34. rev 11:59 gen 6:66

don 0:00

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> I'm assuming you don't know jamobeyacts2_38@yahoo.com?  The writing=20
> was so
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: CAPTNBLNDE@aol.com
>   To: raverg@hyperreal.org
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:48 AM
>   Subject: RG: I FOUND THIS IN MY IN BOX
>
>
>   In a message dated 3/17/2003 8:17:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jamobeyacts2_38@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>
>     War?  I'm not worry about that because we're short life.. Romans=20
> 3:23
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
> It's not worth about we should to worry about that... I'm trust to=20
> Jesus
and you'll should trust with him.. Psalm 32:10 "Many
> sorrows shall be to the wicked; But he who trusts in the LORD, mercy=20
> shall
surround him."  Phil 2:24  "But I trust in the Lord that
> I myself shall also come shortly."    World War 3? Nuclear War?  This
will
be war until end of War in the world that Jesus Christ
> will against you'll if you're not rapture... War?               Yes...
Jesus said "And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See
> that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but

> the
end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and
> kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and
earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of
> sorrows"  From Matt 24:6-8      Earthquakes in different place happend
recently in Nebraska, New York, Italy, Japan, Mexico and
> Afghanistan? in only less 2 to 3 years ago... Jesus warning you'll and
this bible don't make it up...  Jesus do love you all but not
> give you peace of all? Did I said that or Jesus said that?
Jesus said " "Do not think that I came to bring peace on
> earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword." From Matthew=20
> 10:34...
Jesus don't give to you all peace but Catholic Chruch ruin
> million and million people's mind to be brianwashed...  I'm tell you=20
> that
Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost! how it's
> working? Omnipresent!!! you can't mesarue God's little toe!  he's too=20
> big
and don't meat he is grant.. he's POWERFUL!!!  are I'm
> sure that Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes, I'm sure...
John 5:43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not
> receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive."=20
> Jesus
is the Father's name...  Matt 1:21 "And she will bring
> forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His
people from their sins."  Jesus is the Son's name...  John
> 14:26  "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in=20
> My
name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your
> remembrance all things that I said to you." Jesus is the Holy Ghost's
name... How? I'l expian you more deep if you would like to
> learn about to Jesus Christ.. I want to going to Kingdom of God and=20
> It's
for everlasting... you must born again! John 3:7 "Do not
> marvel that I said to you, "You must be born again.'...     Read John
3:1-7 " There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a
> ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him,
"Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one
> can do these signs that You do unless God is with him." Jesus answered

> and
said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is
> born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus said to Him,=20
> "How
can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second
> time into his mother's womb and be born?" Jesus answered, "Most=20
> assuredly,
I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit,
> he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is
flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not
> marvel that I said to you, "You must be born again.' "   You all must
born
of water and spirit then you can going to Kingdom of
> God.. What we do? Obey Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said to them, "Repent,=20
> and
let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ
> for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy
Spirit."   This for all the FLESH, ALL THE FLESH...  I don't
> care what worldly look like and I'm going to through longsuffering=20
> because
I'm too young and I knew it's coming to against me... you
> can to be saved to heaven and coming to join us if you would wish=20
> Email
me.. I'll talk about which I go to church... I'll explian
> you more deeper about that then you can choice... God bless you=20
> richly...
Love you'll...

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!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: Amanda von Schtupp [mailto:methylamine@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:15 PM
To: raverg
Subject: Re: RG: RE: Re: Re: I FOUND THIS IN MY IN BOX


I'm fortunate enough to be on two lists with him. He posts about 10-20
times per day. I haven't actually seen him in person since last summer,
but he says he's living in Fresno now "helping his dad."

--- Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com> wrote:
> Speaking of communicating only in biblical references, has anyone had
> any recent stevie t sightings?
>=20
> -t
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: don yee [mailto:donyjunk@hotmail.com]
> Subject: RG: Re: Re: I FOUND THIS IN MY IN BOX
>=20
>=20
> heh. i wonder if the guy typed each and every one of them out or if he
> has the handy dandy online bible for quick and easy hunt cut and
> paste.
> search
> war: end: jesus: i envision a day where some people communicate
> with
> nothing but biblical references. john 2:34. rev 11:59 gen 6:66
>=20
> don 0:00
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kit e kat >^..^<" <kat@kysmet.com>
> To: <CAPTNBLNDE@aol.com>; <raverg@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 6:52 AM
> Subject: RG: Re: I FOUND THIS IN MY IN BOX
>=20
>=20
> > I'm assuming you don't know jamobeyacts2_38@yahoo.com?  The
> writing
> > was so
> horrible, I couldn't even make it through 10 sentences!
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: CAPTNBLNDE@aol.com
> >   To: raverg@hyperreal.org
> >   Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:48 AM
> >   Subject: RG: I FOUND THIS IN MY IN BOX
> >
> >
> >   In a message dated 3/17/2003 8:17:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jamobeyacts2_38@yahoo.com writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >     War?  I'm not worry about that because we're short life..
> Romans
> > 3:23
> "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
> > It's not worth about we should to worry about that... I'm trust
> to
> > Jesus
> and you'll should trust with him.. Psalm 32:10 "Many
> > sorrows shall be to the wicked; But he who trusts in the LORD,
> mercy
> > shall
> surround him."  Phil 2:24  "But I trust in the Lord that
> > I myself shall also come shortly."    World War 3? Nuclear War?=20
> This
> will
> be war until end of War in the world that Jesus Christ
> > will against you'll if you're not rapture... War?             =20
> Yes...
> Jesus said "And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See
> > that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to
> pass, but
>=20
> > the
> end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and
> > kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences,
> and
> earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of
> > sorrows"  From Matt 24:6-8      Earthquakes in different place
> happend
> recently in Nebraska, New York, Italy, Japan, Mexico and
> > Afghanistan? in only less 2 to 3 years ago... Jesus warning
> you'll and
> this bible don't make it up...  Jesus do love you all but not
> > give you peace of all? Did I said that or Jesus said that?
> Jesus said " "Do not think that I came to bring peace on
> > earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword." From Matthew
> > 10:34...
> Jesus don't give to you all peace but Catholic Chruch ruin
> > million and million people's mind to be brianwashed...  I'm tell
> you
> > that
> Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost! how it's
> > working? Omnipresent!!! you can't mesarue God's little toe!  he's
> too
> > big
> and don't meat he is grant.. he's POWERFUL!!!  are I'm
> > sure that Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes, I'm
> sure...
> John 5:43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not
> > receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will
> receive."
> > Jesus
> is the Father's name...  Matt 1:21 "And she will bring
> > forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save
> His
> people from their sins."  Jesus is the Son's name...  John
> > 14:26  "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will
> send in
> > My
> name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your
> > remembrance all things that I said to you." Jesus is the Holy
> Ghost's
> name... How? I'l expian you more deep if you would like to
> > learn about to Jesus Christ.. I want to going to Kingdom of God
> and
> > It's
> for everlasting... you must born again! John 3:7 "Do not
> > marvel that I said to you, "You must be born again.'...     Read
> John
> 3:1-7 " There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a
> > ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to
> Him,
> "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one
> > can do these signs that You do unless God is with him." Jesus
> answered
>=20
> > and
> said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is
> > born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus said to
> Him,
> > "How
> can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second
> > time into his mother's womb and be born?" Jesus answered, "Most
> > assuredly,
> I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit,
> > he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the
> flesh is
> flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not
> > marvel that I said to you, "You must be born again.' "   You all
> must
> born
> of water and spirit then you can going to Kingdom of
> > God.. What we do? Obey Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said to them,
> "Repent,
> > and
> let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ
> > for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the
> Holy
> Spirit."   This for all the FLESH, ALL THE FLESH...  I don't
> > care what worldly look like and I'm going to through
> longsuffering
> > because
> I'm too young and I knew it's coming to against me... you
> > can to be saved to heaven and coming to join us if you would wish
>=20
> > Email
> me.. I'll talk about which I go to church... I'll explian
> > you more deeper about that then you can choice... God bless you
> > richly...
> Love you'll...


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tony@sebion.com wrote:

 >Speaking of communicating only in biblical references, has anyone had
 >any recent stevie t sightings?
 >
You *^#*&($ Bastard Moron! Don't you know, that just like the Candyman,
simply uttering his name brings him forth!?!?!

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THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!

nigga pleez,
-t

-----Original Message-----
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tony@sebion.com wrote:

 >Speaking of communicating only in biblical references, has anyone had
>any recent stevie t sightings?  > You *^#*&($ Bastard Moron! Don't you
know, that just like the Candyman, simply uttering his name brings him
forth!?!?!

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tony@sebion.com wrote:

> Speaking of communicating only in biblical references, has anyone had
> any recent stevie t sightings?


I've got him in my buddy list, even though he doesn't know it.  It's 
comforting to me for some reason.  He's on line right now..


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> I've got him in my buddy list, even though he doesn't know it.  It's=20
> comforting to me for some reason.  He's on line right now..


hahahaha. i do too!  and for the same reason!


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drthundr@milwpc.com wrote:

> From: "jaypee" <jaypee@drunkenmasters.org>
> Subject: Re: [mw] RE: Re: Re: I FOUND THIS IN MY IN BOX
>>I've got him in my buddy list, even though he doesn't know it.  It's 
>>comforting to me for some reason.  He's on line right now..
> hahahaha. i do too!  and for the same reason!


You people are seriously disturbed.

gregory // okay, i've still got an ex on my list, so I'm disturbed too, 
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Subject: [mw] Speculation:  Donnie Darko Might Steal Spider-Man Role

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Subject: Re: [mw] Speculation:  Donnie Darko Might Steal Spider-Man Role


Apparently, this is all based on an off-hand 
comment Kirtsin Dunst made when someone mentioned
that Tobey's back was hurting... she is dating
Gyllenhaal (Donnie Darko (yum)) and said off-handedly
that she would try and get her beau the part since they
look ROUGHLY the same... kinda ... sorta ...


reportedly, Tobey has been doing the same regiment 
that he did before (incld. yoga) to get in shape
and bulk up after losing about 30 lbs for a role.

So I don't think Tobey is giving up that role.  He
just got offered 17 million for it... which is 13 million
more than he got for the first one.... i doubt he'll
give that up without a fight.

I'm a fan of both McGuire and Gyllenhaal... but I wouldn't
mind Gyllenhaal getting the role b-c I admire his choices
in roles and appreciate his indie mentality.  Plus, I would
like to see an experiment being played out: namely, whether
or not this would turn Gyllenhaal into yet another over-paid
Hollywood actor.

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Subject: Re: [mw] Speculation:  Donnie Darko Might Steal Spider-Man Role

i don't want donnie darko playing other roles, just like i don't want tony
soprano playing other roles.  i realise that isn't realistic, i just wish
once someone nailed a part that they were obviously born for that they
would retire.  heh.  but i DEFINITELY don't want donnie darko and
spider-man to be played by the same guy.  it would be a little much for
me, even if i was able to metabolize the notion that han solo did not in
fact retire to earth to become a WWII-era archaologist.

if the role DID go to JG, he would be heretofore known as either "the
luckiest guy ever" (got to be donnie darko, spider-man, and have one of
the hottest chicks to ever walk the planet be his "living receiver"), or
"the guy who got all of tobey maguire's sloppy seconds".  doh.

>
> Apparently, this is all based on an off-hand
> comment Kirtsin Dunst made when someone mentioned
> that Tobey's back was hurting... she is dating
> Gyllenhaal (Donnie Darko (yum)) and said off-handedly
> that she would try and get her beau the part since they
> look ROUGHLY the same... kinda ... sorta ...
>
>
> reportedly, Tobey has been doing the same regiment
> that he did before (incld. yoga) to get in shape
> and bulk up after losing about 30 lbs for a role.
>
> So I don't think Tobey is giving up that role.  He
> just got offered 17 million for it... which is 13 million
> more than he got for the first one.... i doubt he'll
> give that up without a fight.
>
> I'm a fan of both McGuire and Gyllenhaal... but I wouldn't
> mind Gyllenhaal getting the role b-c I admire his choices
> in roles and appreciate his indie mentality.  Plus, I would
> like to see an experiment being played out: namely, whether
> or not this would turn Gyllenhaal into yet another over-paid
> Hollywood actor.
>
> -chocolate
> www.ctfa.cjb.net
> www.houseofbabylon.cjb.net
>
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> * Can U Hear Me -- Fair Park Records -- June 2003
> w/ remixes by Mike Constantino and Demarkus Lewis
> * U're a Freak -- Select Recordings -- June 2003
> * No Unscheduled Dancin' -- Grab Records -- July 2003
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] Speculation:  Donnie Darko Might Steal Spider-Man Role

In a message dated 3/19/2003 1:50:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, michael@ffwd.cx writes:

> have one of
> the hottest chicks to ever walk the planet be his "living receiver"), 

Gross...

that fat-faced ho gets on my nerves... 
hottest girl...?  Gyllenhaal's fuckin' sister is
hotter that Dumbst... er Dunst....

> or
> "the guy who got all of tobey maguire's sloppy seconds".  
> doh.


I'll take the sloppy seconds of 17 million any day... 
would you?

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> that fat-faced ho gets on my nerves...
> hottest girl...?  Gyllenhaal's fuckin' sister is
> hotter that Dumbst... er Dunst....

i thought you liked dudes?

> I'll take the sloppy seconds of 17 million any day...
> would you?

yes.  i'd take the sloppy seconds of $17,000.

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In a message dated 3/19/2003 2:47:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, michael@ffwd.cx writes:

> > that fat-faced ho gets on my nerves...
> > hottest girl...?  Gyllenhaal's fuckin' sister is
> > hotter that Dumbst... er Dunst....
> 
> i thought you liked dudes?


Well of course I do... but I can steal differentiate 
between ugly hoes and cute princesses... after all, fags
are always surrounded by beautiful women.  ;-)

-chocolate
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was there a traitor gathering downtown tonite?  i saw an army of riot geared
cops marching up michigan avenue and that was the only thing i could think
of.  i should have followed them, maybe i missed some mayhem.
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[my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
> was there a traitor gathering downtown tonite?  i saw an army of riot geared
> cops marching up michigan avenue and that was the only thing i could think
> of.  i should have followed them, maybe i missed some mayhem.

No, there was an anti-war protest.  Most of the traitors stayed home.

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, atomly wrote:

>[my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
>> was there a traitor gathering downtown tonite?  i saw an army of riot geared
>> cops marching up michigan avenue and that was the only thing i could think
>> of.  i should have followed them, maybe i missed some mayhem.
>
>No, there was an anti-war protest.  Most of the traitors stayed home.

oh, so you have an opinion?

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>>No, there was an anti-war protest.  Most of the traitors stayed home.
>
>oh, so you have an opinion?

i think more words fit here.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, chad wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, chad wrote:
>
>>>No, there was an anti-war protest.  Most of the traitors stayed home.
>>
>>oh, so you have an opinion?
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>i think more words fit here.

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Subject: [mw] jesus christ feel free to say some god damn shit.

i ban myself from posting.  ever.

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Subject: RE: [mw] attn: chicago morons

you say tomato, they say tomahto, i say extra tomatoes...whatever.  after
watching the reports on this crap last nite...what the fuck.  "we disagree
with the president so we'll keep a bunch of working people from getting home
to their families - after all, all they did was contribute to our economy
all day long while we were in our parents' basement making our verkocteh
anti-america signs".  fucking retarded.  if i had a car i'd be installing a
cattlecatcher on the bastard.

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[my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
> was there a traitor gathering downtown tonite?  i saw an army of riot
geared
> cops marching up michigan avenue and that was the only thing i could think
> of.  i should have followed them, maybe i missed some mayhem.

No, there was an anti-war protest.  Most of the traitors stayed home.

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[my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
> you say tomato, they say tomahto, i say extra tomatoes...whatever.  after
> watching the reports on this crap last nite...what the fuck.  "we disagree
> with the president so we'll keep a bunch of working people from getting home
> to their families - after all, all they did was contribute to our economy
> all day long while we were in our parents' basement making our verkocteh
> anti-america signs".  fucking retarded.  if i had a car i'd be installing a
> cattlecatcher on the bastard.
> 

Don't be an ass. There IS a point to this particular type of protest.
I'm not sure whether I think it's the most skilled response to this
situation either, but it isn't just idiotic. One stated goal of
SOME non-violent resistance is to make it impossible for the country
to function properly until the will of the people is respected. This is, in
principle, the idea behind strikes, walkouts, blockades, etc. This
type of resistance is often effective. Another stated purpose is that
no individual should be allowed to remain "neutral". It's important to
people with opinions that every member of our society confront this
issue in a considered way. Some people believe that physically forcing
such a confrontation is the only way.

The problem is that it's only "non-violent" by a particularly narrow
definition of physical violence. A strike which has long-term economic
ramifications, for instance, can be brutally violent, as can economic
sanctions (e.g., the past decade's sanctions on Iraq which have
resulted in massive human suffering). So in some cases I think certain
non-violent protesters need to reconsider their definition of
violence.

Not to mention the fact that in some cases, in the heat of the
activist moment, a protest can quickly turn into a simple riot. This
did not seem to be the case last night, however.

Matt

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> Don't be an ass.

i'm not the one interfering in everyone else's lives with my stupid-ass
protest.  people trying to get home from work aren't dropping bombs on
iraq.  it's completely misguided.  you want to hold up some traffic, fly
your ass over there and try blocking tank traffic.  that would at least
make sense, and rid the world of a few fucking wastoids in the process.

> it isn't just idiotic.

it's already obvious i disagree, but just to reiterate, i'd say these
types of mass tantrums rate in the top ten most idiotic things ever.  i
haven't actually compiled that list yet, but i'll let you know when i do.

> Not to mention the fact that in some cases, in the heat of the
> activist moment, a protest can quickly turn into a simple riot. This did
> not seem to be the case last night, however.

i don't know exactly where that line is drawn, but it rather sickens me to
see a bunch of unemployed twenty and thirtysomethings manipulating the
generalized angst of younger people to make their "cause" look more
relevant than it actually is.  when you have a few people with their
little agenda leading scores of kids who don't really understand where
they're directing their anger, no-one should be surprised when it descends
into general mayhem.

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Quoting Matt Hellige <matt@immute.net>:

* [my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
* > you say tomato, they say tomahto, i say extra tomatoes...whatever.  after
* > watching the reports on this crap last nite...what the fuck.  "we
* disagree
* > with the president so we'll keep a bunch of working people from getting
* home
* > to their families - after all, all they did was contribute to our economy
* > all day long while we were in our parents' basement making our verkocteh
* > anti-america signs".  fucking retarded.  if i had a car i'd be installing
* a
* > cattlecatcher on the bastard.
* > 
* 
* Don't be an ass. There IS a point to this particular type of protest.
* I'm not sure whether I think it's the most skilled response to this
* situation either, but it isn't just idiotic. One stated goal of
* SOME non-violent resistance is to make it impossible for the country
* to function properly until the will of the people is respected. 

but that isn't necessarily the will of the people. last time i checked, I 
didn't will anything like that to happen...in fact, i think we *should* be 
fighting this war.at the same time, i do believe it's important for people to 
be able to express their opinions peacefully and exercise their rights to free 
speech and peaceful protest, i do not, however, think it's okay for people to 
fuck up the evenings of countless innocent people who sat in traffic on lake 
shore drive and waited for hours trying to get home from work.  why should the 
country stop functioning because a group of people make a concerted effort to 
fuck everyone else over? while there may be a significant number of people who 
don't agree with the decision for the u.s. to fight this war, there is an 
equally significant number who do, and none of us should be punished for our 
difference of opinion.  for those that feel strongly against the war, take it 
where it matters. punishing innocent people trying to go about their everyday 
business is hardly going to help your cause. i don't, nor does any other 
citizen of this fine city, need anyone to tell me how and why and in what 
manner i should confront this issue. i don't need to be placed in the middle of 
an asinine and childish attempt to be heard by the anti-war movement to know 
how i feel. the events of last night really made me angry, not because i feel 
like anti-war sentiment shouldn't be expressed, but because i don't feel like i 
should be punished because of it. 


* The problem is that it's only "non-violent" by a particularly narrow
* definition of physical violence. A strike which has long-term economic
* ramifications, for instance, can be brutally violent, as can economic
* sanctions (e.g., the past decade's sanctions on Iraq which have
* resulted in massive human suffering). So in some cases I think certain
* non-violent protesters need to reconsider their definition of
* violence.

amen to that.

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[my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
> i'm not the one interfering in everyone else's lives with my
> stupid-ass protest.  people trying to get home from work aren't
> dropping bombs on iraq.

No, but America is interfering with a few people's lives today, aren't
they?  Getting held up in traffic sure beats getting hit with the Mother
of All Bombs.

And people "driving home from work" are dropping bombs on Iraq.  In fact
I, right now, am bombing Iraq.  As a citizen of the United States and as
a taxpayer, this is all being done in my name and on my dime.

In addition, all of us are going to have to face the reprecussions of
this war.  We're going to have to face the weakened economy and the
resulting weakness of the US Dollar in relation to the Euro.  We're
going to have to watch spending on education, health care,
infrastructure and jobs decline so that we can continue to fund the "War
on Terrorism."  The US last year spent more on its military than every
other country combined yet we're the only country in the world without
nationalized health.  I know you don't want welfare queens getting
prescription drugs on your tax dollars, so you don't have to tell me
again, but at the same time I don't want mothers in Iraq getting killed
by my tax dollars and I have as much right to say that as you do to
bitch about welfare reform.  Every Tomahawk missile costs $1.3M- that's
a lot of healthcare.

> i don't know exactly where that line is drawn, but it rather sickens me to
> see a bunch of unemployed twenty and thirtysomethings manipulating the
> generalized angst of younger people to make their "cause" look more
> relevant than it actually is.  when you have a few people with their
> little agenda leading scores of kids who don't really understand where
> they're directing their anger, no-one should be surprised when it descends
> into general mayhem.

It was not unemployed twenty and thirty-somethings.  The majority of the
people there were working people, generally older.  I saw a lot of gray
hair and I saw a lot of people with children.  I also saw a lot of
veterans and a lot of union workers.  I know your asinine
interpretation of the world requires you to paint everything so black
and white, but you're just plain wrong.  A huge portion of this country
thinks this war was rushed and unjustified and I am one of them.  I know
that this war is not about freeing Iraq and it's not even really about
oil.  This war is about attempting to secure the economic supremacy of
the United States in the global economy in light of the vast growth in
China and the EU.  The Dollar has fallen sharply as foreign investors
have pulled their money out of the US and put it into the EU and this
has really bogged down our economy and made our federal deficit seem
that much more daunting.  But the way to recover from this is not to
wage a war, the best way is to spend the money in America creating new
jobs and focusing on getting our economy back in line.

Also, it did not descend into mayhem.  I showed up around 5:30 and
marched with the group from the Federal Plaza (Adams and Dearborn) down
Dearborn to Jackson, east to Michigan and north on Michigan.  We had no
intention of marching up LSD, but the cops had blocked Michigan at
Monroe, so the people turned and went east on Monroe to Lakeshore.   We
marched north on the Drive and were held on there by the police.  There
were attempts to get off at Grand and Chicago which were stopped by the
police, so people continued north until Oak Street (the S-Curve in LSD)
and then hopped the barrier and started to head west, where they met a
strong police presence.  At no point was this violent, but it also
turned from something I had an interest in (an anti-war march) to
something I thought irrelevant (ISO and black block people co-opting the
march and trying to turn it into something it wasn't).  Police never
gave us any orders, but most of the people (myself included) figured out
that they didn't want us here and exited by heading east on Lake Shore
Local and taking the backroads.

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> I know your asinine interpretation of the world

okay, i guess i'll just scrap the idea of doing a point-by-point reply to
your post, since you're operating under the idea that i'm some fucking
space cadet that doesn't understand a thing about how the world works. 
why, because i don't sit here all day kissing the ass of every other
mw.fuckwit in their livejournals?  fine, if you're not in the little
circle of exclusionary self-important bastards, you aren't right about
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Subject: Re: [mw] attn: chicago morons

Hey buddy, just cuz you can't put together a good argument doesn't mean
you should go for cheap personal blows. All it says to me is that you've
run out of decent arguments and that you're resorting to the "You and your
friends are stupid" mentality.

    -Rob

On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 06:59:05PM -0000, my chemicals cut wrote:
> 
> > I know your asinine interpretation of the world
> 
> okay, i guess i'll just scrap the idea of doing a point-by-point reply to
> your post, since you're operating under the idea that i'm some fucking
> space cadet that doesn't understand a thing about how the world works. 
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> anything.  i'll leave you to your irc channels, cam portals, and whatever
> the fuck else useless crap you people use to big each other up all day,
> and the lot of you can suck the juice out of my fucking ass.
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Subject: Re: [mw] attn: chicago morons

[my chemicals cut <michael@ffwd.cx>]
> okay, i guess i'll just scrap the idea of doing a point-by-point reply
> to your post, since you're operating under the idea that i'm some
> fucking space cadet that doesn't understand a thing about how the
> world works.  why, because i don't sit here all day kissing the ass of
> every other mw.fuckwit in their livejournals?  fine, if you're not in
> the little circle of exclusionary self-important bastards, you aren't
> right about anything.  i'll leave you to your irc channels, cam
> portals, and whatever the fuck else useless crap you people use to big
> each other up all day, and the lot of you can suck the juice out of my
> fucking ass.

I have a view on the world and I've heard yours multiple times- I'm
operating under the assumption (based on your last few posts) that your
views have not recently changed.  I happen to think that your view on
the world is asinine (for example arguing that we should get rid of
welfare when, in fact, no study has ever been done which has even shown
a "welfare queen" to exist) and uninformed (for example saying that the
entire protest was unemployed twenty and thirtysomethings when you had
no clue who was actually there when I was at the protest and saw with my
own eyes).

Sure, I agree with you that the vast majority of anti-war people are
starry-eyed college students and "artists," but that doesn't mean that
they shouldn't be able to speak their minds.  In a country where a pro
wrestling fan's vote is as important as my grandma's (though I should
mention that my great grandma was the one who got me into pro wrestling
in the early eighties... she watched it while my grandpa played
solitaire), everybody's voice should be heard.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, it's increasingly hard to be heard
if you have a non-standard opinion.  That anti-war protest would not
have even been covered in the news were it not for the fact that they
effectively shut down Lake Shore Drive for about an hour.  Sometimes
things have to get ugly (look, for example, to civil rights riots... are
you going to say that they should not have shut down cities with their
marches because it inconvenienced people who needed to get home in time
to catch Leave It To Beaver?) in order for people to take notice.  

You did not need to resort to attempts at personal attacks on me (and I
say attempts because they were all rather off the mark and didn't offend
me at all) to make your opinion heard.  I know where you stand on this
war but I feel that I have as much right to respond to your posts as you
do to make them because we live in America and, as you're fond of
saying, if you don't like it, move.

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all i have to say is that even though i am against the war...i take pride in 
these protests.  this is what makes our country great, and Iraq so bad.  
People cant protest in Iraq.  That is why we are there.  Let these people 
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all i have to say is that even though i am for the war...i take pride in 
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People cant protest in Iraq.  That is why we are there.  Let these people 
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<br>All We Are Saying Is Give Peace A Hand=20
<br>Halt the meanness with your penis!=20
<br>Don't Sweat the Petty Stuff, Pet the Sweaty Stuff=20
<br>Blow up dolls, not people!=20
<br>Forget Iraq... Stay Home and Whack=20
<br>Spank Dick & Bush For Peace!!!!=20
<br>War's no joke, stop and stroke!=20
<br>Make stains, not war=20
<br>Peace is Coming=A0 ... and Coming=20
<br>Peace is in your hands=20
<br>Beat your meat, not your neighbor=20
<br>Rub out hate!=20
<br>Shoot loads not guns=20
<br>Pound your pud for peace=20
<br>Friction prevents friction=20
<br>Rosie Palms for Prez=20
<br>Rockets are for polishing, not for killing=20
<br>Bust a nut, not a cap=20
<br>Stroke a load for peace=20
<br>I love the smell of semen in the morning!=20
<br>Leave the navy home, let semen go to war=20
<br>There's no time for war if your meat is too sore!=20
<br>Wouldn't you rather be masturbating?=20
<br>Jizin' against Jihad=20
<br>The only war I'll wage is the one on Blue Balls=20
<br>I cum in peace=20
<br>Masturbate before it's too late=20
<br>Give peace a chance, to explode in your pants.=20
<br>Right-hand for peace=20
<br>Sperm warfare, not germ warfare!=20
<br>Atomic orgasms, not nuclear winter!=20
<br>Choke your Chicken, Not your Neighbor=20
<br>Bust nuts not skulls=20
<br>Cum together in peace=20
<br>Touch the world while touching yourself=20
<br>
<br>Limericks:
<br>To oppose this big war on Iraq
<br>I shall willingly fondle my sack
<br>If we give peace a chance
<br>I'll go side with France
<br>Heck, I'll even go down on Chirac=A0 - Spooky









































































































































































































































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so i've decided i need one of those.  does anybody have any suggestions
about what the best deals are?  what i should stay away from?  where the
best place to look for one is?  i can't afford an ipod, but i also want
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[doris@atomly.com]
> so i've decided i need one of those.  does anybody have any suggestions
> about what the best deals are?  what i should stay away from?  where the
> best place to look for one is?  i can't afford an ipod, but i also want
> more than some crappy 32mb wannabe.  so... what's the happy medium?

The Archos Jukebox or the Creative Nomad are good and a little cheaper.

http://electronics.cnet.com/ for all you never wanted to know.

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rio volts are good if you want a cd/mp3 hybrid
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 doris@atomly.com wrote:

> so i've decided i need one of those.  does anybody have any suggestions
> about what the best deals are?  what i should stay away from?  where the
> best place to look for one is?  i can't afford an ipod, but i also want
> more than some crappy 32mb wannabe.  so... what's the happy medium?

stick with hard-drive-based players or cd-rom based players to avoid the
downside of expensive flash media... but cd-rom based players require a
cd-r, while  harddrive based players take forever to load unless you're
using firewire or usb2 (which needs a card in your computer or a motherboard
that supports it).

my personal opinion is that the mp3-on-cd players are the way to go...
they can be had for under $100 (the one i got kim for christmas was about
$50), they play mp3s off of cd (650mb, $0.10 each), and don't usually eat
batteries too badly... they also double as audio-cd players (like a
discman).

the harddrive ones are really nice, but are usually much more expensive,
don't play normal audio-cds, and often have integrated batteries (which
means you need the charger when it runs out, instead of buying some AAs at
the store).

one gripe i've had with almost all portable mp3 players is the decoder
quality.  i'm kind of spoiled, having been listening to some of the best
mpeg decoders ever written, so hearing the gleep-gloop artifacting being
emitted by most of the players i've used is kind of disappointing... but
hey, it's 10 hours of music on a cd and it only cost a dime to make and
ten minutes to burn.  i wouldn't board an airplane without one.

-j

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test test test

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Did it work? Are you raving now?

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test test test

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Subject: [mw] atomly shows + new release

I've got a new CD done and I've decided to do a few shows.  Please come
check me out and say hi if I'm coming to your fine city.  If I'm not,
you should book me.

You can pick up the CD for a few bucks at any of my shows, or it will be
available for mail order soon.

Info on the CD and an MP3 of the mix is here:
http://www.atomly.com/music/releases/atmq0404/

Upcoming shows:

[2003.03.28-evanston.il.us] 
- wnur radio show
: i'm playing on wnur from 2-4am on friday, the 28th (technically it'll
: be saturday the 29th).  since it's a two hour slot, expect me to bust
: out a lot of embarrassingly old tracks.  
+ http://www.wnur.org/

[2003.04.04-new_york_city.ny.us]
- aerons and sofas
: record camp presents their friday weekly "aerons and sofas" at open
: air in manhattan, featuring boothby + kelly slusher, satellite grooves
: and myself. 
+ 121 st. marks (between 1st and a).
+ http://www.recordcamp.com/

[2003.04.05-chicago.il.us]
- allways.nu party (unconfirmed)
: another party from allways.nu- the guys that brought you
: undergroundhog day do it again.  check back for confirmation and
: details.
+ http://www.allways.nu/

[2003.05.05-madison.wi.us]
- disrupt
: i'll be playing disrupt again, possibly with stunt rock, though that
: remains to be seen.
+ http://www.disrupt.org/

[2003.05.24-milwaukee.wi.us]
- mlada fronta + mimetic @ quarters
: mlada fronta and mimetic presented by hexentanz at an awesome punk
: bar.
+ http://www.hexentanz.com/

[2003.05.25-chicago.il.us]
- seawhores + floid matrix @ empty bottle (unconfirmed)
: another empty bottle show with floid matrix, and this time they're
: bringing the seawhores, a noise-rock band from minneapolis.  fargo
: representin.
+ http://www.emptybottle.com/


Also, if you would like to be put on my news mailing list, send an
e-mail to atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com

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making an illegal post to say oops.

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Subject: Re: [mw] Get Ready To Bounce, THIS FRIDAY!

ummm...the Bounce here in Detroit is 4/4, not this friday....
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